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Liucio
06-22-05, 02:40
I am trying to say we all can learn a thing or two.

Liucio
06-22-05, 02:48
BUBBA BOY : R$275 for the min. wage is correct for 2005. Your right.

This is an occupation that they can never walk away from. Earning this kind
of money will forever change their tasts and preferences.

They are after all the upper middle class in earnings.

But not socially or educationally.

Of course their earnings will decrease as they age and bear children.

Sperto
06-22-05, 07:11
Correct min wage is R$ 300.

"Salário Mínimo Brasileiro
Medida Provisória 248/2005, de 20 de abril de 2005
Art. 1º A partir de 1º de maio de 2005, após a aplicação dos percentuais de seis inteiros e trezentos e cinqüenta e cinco milésimos por cento, a título de reajuste, e de oito inteiros e quarenta e nove centésimos por cento, a título de aumento real, sobre o valor de R$ 260 (duzentos e sessenta reais), o salário mínimo será de R$ 300 (trezentos reais)."

Sperto

Macunaima
06-22-05, 14:26
Bubba sez:

"The rate of R6000 per month for an upper end GDP is also wrong. One of my favourite amigas in Rio does 4 guys on average a night at R120 per pop x 20 working days per month = R9,600"

Actually, not even that is the cieling. When you start talking about the Rede Globo "models" who frequent the private, mostly Brazilian-frequented clubs, the income can go much, much higher.

But I think 6000 is a good high end average for the termas, thought there are, of course, eceptions.

L sez:

"Lets remain civil, there is absolutely no need for the tenor in your writing."

You'd prefer an alto, soprano, or bass instead? ;-)

I'm not bragging, L, simply correcting your salary estimates, which are really, really low for RdJ. No insults intended.

"This is an occupation that they can never walk away from. Earning this kind
of money will forever change their tasts and preferences."

You are right and wrong there. Wrong in that they can never walk away from the occupation. Most of them do after a relatively short time. Right in that it changes their style of life and tastes without giving them a corresponding education or skills to back their lifestyle change up. As the old saw goes "You can lead a ***** to culture but you can't make her think."

To tell thr truth, these girls DO think, and quite hard, and are very aware of their predicament. This is why so many of them want to score a gringo boyfriend as this is seen as a way OUT of the life - either through retirement by marriage or emigration.

Java Man
06-22-05, 16:06
my perception.
the exchange rate is currently $1USD =R2.36
$100USD = R236
if the minimum monthly wage is R300, they're making more than $100USD, that's a BIG deal to them. i guess it makes them feel as if they're making progress.

Dashing Don
06-22-05, 20:19
I and five other guys visited this terma aka ~four by four~ last night. When it came time to pay the bill, some of us didn~t have Brazilian money and tried to use dollars. We didn~t expect a problem as we had changed dollars to reals at other termas and were always given good rates, about 2.5.

Imagine our shock when Quatro por Quatro tried to give us 2.1!! We made a fuss and the manager was called and quickly gave us 2.3. We weren~t happy with this either but accepted it and left, never to return.

I can~t imagine what would happen if a monger was there alone. We were six and this gave us some leverage.

Don

Brazilman
06-22-05, 22:35
For all the people that said as the exchange rate goes down,it will not change prices. I disagree.Now that we are at 2.3, i promise you, if we hit 2 or 1.80, the girs will NOT be getting 300 reals from the american suckers anymore.I can't speak for the termas ,but help will change.I promise you.It's a case of supply and pussy sanity.The most i've paid for a girl at help is 200r,thats when i was getting 2.8 to 3 to 1.That translates to about 50 or 60 bucks.If the gringos are keeping these termas and help afloat,they will have to lower prices once it's down to 1.8. 300 reals at 1.8 is about 165 dollars.There is no way the average monger is going to be able to afford that.Before,your dick would talk you into paying 300 reals, because as you say , "it's only 100" ,but now your wallet will be saying "it's 165 dollars".There is going to be a self regulating aspect to this.Even if you wanted to pay it, you couldnt ,because your trip would be over after 5 girls. I never tried to get a girl for 100r becuse I didn't care, as it was only 50 bucks ,but if we hit 1.8,i will be forced to see if i can get a girl for 100r.I will be back in August.I hope it will not be 2 to1, or I will spending all my time in front of help talking about the good o'le days .

Veterano
06-23-05, 00:52
I'm curious--why do you think 4X4 had an obligation to change your dollars at all?

Veterano

Sperto
06-23-05, 02:22
I and five other guys visited this terma aka ~four by four~ last night. When it came time to pay the bill, some of us didn~t have Brazilian money

Dashing Don,

You and your friends went to a terma without having "brazilian money", reais, to pay the bills. To me this doesn´t sound very clever.

I think you should appreciate that they bothered to change your dollars at all.

Why not change your "magic" dollars at a Casa do Cambio to avoid these problems?

Delaware Guy
06-23-05, 03:23
Sounds to me like Dash and his boys got a pretty fair deal, even though they did their best to act like ugly Americans. When traveling abroad, either as a monger or on more traditional business, I've always found it's best to use local money and language. I change my money ASAP. My Spanish is not so hot, and my Portugese is even worse. But the locals generally smile, seem to appreciate my efforts, and reward me accordingly.

Liucio
06-23-05, 04:52
The girls up North are really struggling . Places like Sao Luis, Natal, Fortaleza.

The RIO girls are the upper class to these women. They don'y even make a fraction of what the girls in RIO are making. They just want to pamper, clean and cook with the intent that you will keep them around for the next day. They all want you marry you. Meaning you are the one guy they have been waiting for. You have been delivered to them. And believe me these are very nice girls and they will introduce you to their mother and father. Its unreal. You spend R$40 and fill the refrigerator and you are worshipped.

Zorglub
06-23-05, 09:03
I and five other guys visited this terma aka ~four by four~ last night. When it came time to pay the bill, some of us didn~t have Brazilian money and tried to use dollars. We didn~t expect a problem as we had changed dollars to reals at other termas and were always given good rates, about 2.5.

Imagine our shock when Quatro por Quatro tried to give us 2.1!! We made a fuss and the manager was called and quickly gave us 2.3. We weren~t happy with this either but accepted it and left, never to return.

I can~t imagine what would happen if a monger was there alone. We were six and this gave us some leverage.

DonTry to imagine the other way around. Trying to pay for something in the U.S with brasilian reais. What would you expect ?

RonnyRon
06-23-05, 09:28
Hey Dashing Don,

While you were in 4X4, did you happen to notice that there were few American patrons there with you? Not many, right? 4X4 is a hugh terma and most of their patrons are Brazilian. It also happens to be my favorite terma. I doubt they will lose any sleep over you and your friends returning. You may never go back, but I will. In fact, do me a personal favor and don't go back! We are guest in Brazil. When in Rome, do as the Romans. At the very least use their money.

RonnyRon

Trippleecks
06-23-05, 12:49
Dashing Don... you are to blame, not the terma.. So what if you do not return. I'll tell you how much you will be missed. Put your arm into a bucket of water, remove it quickly. The size of the hole you leave is about how much you will be missed. People like you, with attitudeds, traveling to other countires, making Americans look bad, make me sick.

Starfe
06-23-05, 13:35
Nodd_N is dead on. Remind me not to drink from that bucket.

Rio Bob
06-23-05, 14:06
I can~t imagine what would happen if a monger was there alone. We were six and this gave us some leverage.Don

I don't understand this statement, are you saying that if you were alone Don that you would be ineffective in negotiating a better exchange rate? Tell me what does the fact that you had 5 other guys behind you have to do with this? Are you talking about a show of force?

RonnyRon
06-23-05, 16:14
Rio Bob,

I am certain the gentleman could not have been referring to a show of force. That sir would have been an unwise choice indeed. Had they truely offended the management of 4X4, I am sure we would have read about the incident via another forum, since it is quite likely Dashing Don would have been eating dinner using a straw right about now. Centro is not Copacabana. Dashing Don and his crew probably should limit their terma visits to Monte Carlos. Better yet go back to the Philippines.

RonnyRon

Ezinho
06-23-05, 18:06
I and five other guys visited this terma aka ~four by four~ last night. When it came time to pay the bill, some of us didn~t have Brazilian money and tried to use dollars. We didn~t expect a problem as we had changed dollars to reals at other termas and were always given good rates, about 2.5.

Imagine our shock when Quatro por Quatro tried to give us 2.1!! We made a fuss and the manager was called and quickly gave us 2.3. We weren~t happy with this either but accepted it and left, never to return.

I can~t imagine what would happen if a monger was there alone. We were six and this gave us some leverage.

DonOk, now I have read some dumb things on this forum before, but this may be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Are you sure when they quoted you 2.1, they weren´t talking about your IQ?

And what were you and your buddies going to do if they didn´t give you the exchange rate you wanted, beat up the management of 4X4 and then high tail it out of there?

When I go to 4X4 I usually put my bill on my credit card, but I think next time I go I´m going to pay in Reais and say "compliments of Dashing Don" lol!

Bimbo Boy
06-23-05, 23:25
This is exactly what makes Americans hated the world over. What do you think would have happened if Brazilians had tried to pay in Reals in a New-York restaurant? Please show some sensitivity to the local culture.

I shudder when I try to imagine myself in a Terma with half a dozen loudmouth Americans. I would certainly try and pretend not to speak English!

Regards.

Jasss
06-23-05, 23:36
Dollar, dollar, dollar thats boring why not use sterling? That holds some real value the world over. I personally would never waste my time with the dollar hype!

Dark Knight
06-24-05, 00:25
i'm sorry, guys. but anyone who thinks that consumers do not control pricing has never opened an economics 101 textbook. again, supply and demand.

i live in nyc . ten years ago, i used to fly down to miami and pay $200 round trip . guess what i pay now? $200 round trip.

the big airlines tried to raise the pricing and the consumer either went to a discount carrier , or stayed home. the consumer demanded commodity pricing. as a result, many airlines had to consolidate their routes , or go bankrupt. still, the pricing went unchanged.

there was a guy on an earlier post who said that paying 300 reais is not a big deal to him because that is $125us - "a fair price for a night of sex".

true. a fair price for a night of sex in the united states. but you are in a third world country where the per capita income is a fraction (20%?) of the united states.

why would you pay nearly the same rate?? you must do a paradigm shift when you board that plane. in new york, i pay $6 for a beer. would i pay $15 reais for a beer in rio? heck no.

you must adjust your mindset according to the economy of the country that you are in. the girls will cry broke initially . they aren't. they far outearn their service industry peers.

you have become victim to collusion among the girls who tell each other " don't take less than r$300. i'm willing to gamble that they need money more than i need pussy. that sounds crass, but it is the harsh reality.

as far as there being a linear relationship between how hot a girl is, and how much she charges: there isn't. some of the skankiest, bad attitude gdp's are getting top dollar because some drunken, horny guy refuses to draw the line. some of the really nice, pretty, fresh girls realize than you respect her, and you respect a dollar as well. she will provide you with a great evening (and morning).

true, if you turn down a girl charging 300 r, and she walks five feet and the next guy will pay it, the whole construct goes out the window. it only works if we do what we should be doing anyway: stick together.

pussy, unlike oil, is a renewable resource. they have an endless supply of fresh girls coming in. more than you can bone. trust.

Rio Bob
06-24-05, 03:12
Ok, now I have read some dumb things on this forum before, but this may be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Are you sure when they quoted you 2.1, they weren´t talking about your IQ?

And what were you and your buddies going to do if they didn´t give you the exchange rate you wanted, beat up the management of 4X4 and then high tail it out of there?

When I go to 4X4 I usually put my bill on my credit card, but I think next time I go I´m going to pay in Reais and say "compliments of Dashing Don" lol!

Yes dumb and dumber all for just $8.69, WOW you guys must be really cool.

Rio Bob
06-24-05, 03:14
i'm sorry, guys. but anyone who thinks that consumers do not control pricing has never opened an economics 101 textbook. again, supply and demand.

i live in nyc . ten years ago, i used to fly down to miami and pay $200 round trip . guess what i pay now? $200 round trip.

the big airlines tried to raise the pricing and the consumer either went to a discount carrier , or stayed home. the consumer demanded commodity pricing. as a result, many airlines had to consolidate their routes , or go bankrupt. still, the pricing went unchanged.

there was a guy on an earlier post who said that paying 300 reais is not a big deal to him because that is $125us - "a fair price for a night of sex".

true. a fair price for a night of sex in the united states. but you are in a third world country where the per capita income is a fraction (20%?) of the united states.

why would you pay nearly the same rate?? you must do a paradigm shift when you board that plane. in new york, i pay $6 for a beer. would i pay $15 reais for a beer in rio? heck no.

you must adjust your mindset according to the economy of the country that you are in. the girls will cry broke initially . they aren't. they far outearn their service industry peers.

you have become victim to collusion among the girls who tell each other " don't take less than r$300. i'm willing to gamble that they need money more than i need pussy. that sounds crass, but it is the harsh reality.

as far as there being a linear relationship between how hot a girl is, and how much she charges: there isn't. some of the skankiest, bad attitude gdp's are getting top dollar because some drunken, horny guy refuses to draw the line. some of the really nice, pretty, fresh girls realize than you respect her, and you respect a dollar as well. she will provide you with a great evening (and morning).

true, if you turn down a girl charging 300 r, and she walks five feet and the next guy will pay it, the whole construct goes out the window. it only works if we do what we should be doing anyway: stick together.

pussy, unlike oil, is a renewable resource. they have an endless supply of fresh girls coming in. more than you can bone. trust.

ok im all for it so what's the collusion price? 200 reais?

Liucio
06-24-05, 04:02
RESPONSE TO DARK KNIGHT:

I agree with you. We both agree.

This is the law of ECONOMICS, but its now applied once many of these guys arrive down there.

Some of them think that the more the pay is a status symbol branded on them.

Its good that you and I know the price of a good should change when you are purchasing in a different country.

What does it matter that you & I are buying at rock bottom prices when everyone else is willing to pay twice as much.

I have never paid over $R100. This my highest price I will pay, this is my "You walk away from me price. "

These think that they are going to lose something if they offer R$100. They think that they will lose the girl. But the truth is, if this is practiced constistently the price will come back down to reasonable levels where no one is being ripped off.

As it stands thoses guys at those tables are being bent over and drilled by those garotas, without KY jelly.

These girls are INTELLEGENT.

Thats way there is a HUGE DRAFT pulling girls towards RIO. When I am in other cities in Brazil, I always feel this gravitational wind draft. I can describe it as being inside a tornado. There is a VIOLENT WIND TURBULANCE, and it pulls you in the direction of RIO. I asked one garota what that wind is and where is it coming from. Here reply was, OH its RIO. All the girls are on their way down there because another AMERICAN AIRLINES flight has landed with the STUPIDOS.

I have met many EUROPEANS in different Brasilian ciites and they agree, thoses guys at the tables has ruined the market. And the price has become so inflated, that it has distorted what the clients think they should be paying.

They think well because she's a 10, I'm will to pay $R200. And if she declines I'll raise the price because after all I don't want to lose her.

Now, can you imagine what these girls think.

IT'S A SELLER'S MARKET.

Thats why in our earlier discussion I said that these Garotas are CONTROLLING the price not the consumers.

The LAW OF ECONOMICS IS NOT BEING APPLIED.

Thats why they (GAROTAS) can collude and control the price.
The consumers has inflated the price. He himself.

When you have guys BRAGGING NOT SPEAKING IN SHAME, BUT BRAGGING about paying $R200 then know there's a deeper problem.

DARK KNIGHT, today the price of a BARREL OF OIL hit $60.

Both UNITED and AMERICAN AIRLINES has annouced an a fair increase.

The Hotels in RIO will be increasing prices also at the beginning of the year.

the Brasilian GOV will not take the necessary steps to curb or slow the incresase in the REAL.

SO HOPEFULLY by JAN 1 the DYNAMICS that allow these BIG SPENDERS to inflate the price are negated.

Thye won't be at those table MUCKING inflating price.

HOPEFULLY they can not afford to MUCK UP THE *SS MARKET.

It looks as though you and I and a hand full of other guys and going to have to POINT THIS MARKET BACK IN THE (PROPER) DIRECTION.

PROPER means removing the inflation in the *SS MARKET.

Of course we have to enlist the help of some other guys who are just as FRUSTRATED by the INFLATION.

Actually what the has done is force me to travel other cities and towns in BRASIL.
Now I look at RIO and I say what a joke on the world. I have discovered some earthy places in Brasil. Just amazing, amazing NON-PRO ACTION. No negotiations.

A SEA of literally (untapped) *SS.
Now, I fly into RIO only to go to other cities.
Can you image sitting in a bar and there is no price inflation.
The price you set is the agreed upon price.

OUTSIDE of RIO I pay no more than $R60 for the entire night.
Thats the only UPSIDE to those tables at MEI PETACA.

It keeps those guys parked for 10 & 15 days at those tables.
And all the other stuff doesn't get exported outside of RIO.

DARK KNIGHT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBLITY TO CORRECT THIS, WHAT YOU & I SEE AS A PRICE PROBLEM.

Hopefully some other guy will come along and read this say "yea I remember when I used to control the price. " and " I want those days back. "

MEN use you EURO and DOLLAR to your advantage.

You do have POWER.

Just as DARK KIGHT said you are the consumer and you have what's called
CONSUMER PURCHASING POWER.

Why pay R$300 for a gorata because you can. Where's the rational.

The next time you buy a COCO don't pay the market price of $R1.50, pay $R10, because you can.

Then hold the COCO in your hand and extend you arm as far as you can from your head.

And with all your power, pull your hand that is holding the COCOA towards your head, gather all the velocity and force behind the COCOA you possible can. And try to send the COCOA thru the other side of that empty dome.

Start negoitiating with common sense. You don't need a formal education.

Just common sense.

READ DARK KNIGHTS POST
MEMORIZE IT
PUT IT TO PRACTICE.

GOOD DAY ALL.

I know I'm going to get negative feedbck on this but it needs to be said.

Liucio
06-24-05, 04:05
RIO BOB THANKS FOR SIGNING ON.

You WILL get more for your EURO & DOLLAR.

Dark Knight
06-24-05, 05:50
Rio Bob,

MAX!!

Liucio
06-24-05, 06:37
What Dark Knight wrote was on the money.

I don't know if they give awards tfro that kind of writing, but they should.

Before I get the hate language for my post step away and read it again.
It needs to be re-read for for the value of it's meaning.

I have come across some great post and some great ideas that I have taken from all you guys.

All some of us are asking, well I should speak for myself, All I am asking is if you are going to part with R$300. First, be a smart consumers and negoitiate your best price. Say, $R150. After you negiotiate the $R150 then if you want to remain the BIG SPENDER that you portray- tip R$150. That way you are still spending R$300, so either way you can BRAG about spending $R300.

These goratas are selling a service. They take this is their livelyhood.
They are professionals 24hrs/day.
When they are not banging you from behind, they are banging another guy.

So far the couple of private message's that I have received have been both positive & supportive.

Break up this Cartel.

Because believe me when those price increases kick in as some has already ie.(AIRLINES), you will wish you had done enough to bring the market back to equilibrium.

Remember everyone benefits:
1. Your not looked upon as a STUPIDO
By the taxi drivers & waiters who get same *SS for a fraction of the $R
2. You remove the inflation in the market
Know instead of ending your trip w/ 8 bangs, now you were able to
afford 11 bangs.
3. You broke up the CARTEL. No more price fixing. A 10 now fetches the
market value of what ever that maybe, say $R160. Now the 8 has to
lower her price because she can not trump a 10. Now the 8 fetches
$R120. Well you see how it works. I mean we all apply this in our
everyday life. WE are all consumers. We all walk away from ridiculous
prices.
4. This leaves room for the true inflation when it arrives. ( Higher, OIL,HOTEL,
AIRFARE, FOOD, TRANSPORT, etc.)

I don't mean to harp on DARK KIGHTS post but, A great many are please that it was written. For the BIG SPENDERS, negoitiate a better price and give the $R200. The garota will understand the market price and adjust her negiotiation accordingly. This way she will not think you are a STUPIDO but just a wealthy or generous guy.

I understand that I will probably reported to the moderator for my coarse tone in my last posting.

Remember guys we are DISCUSSING this TOPIC not arguing.

Lets get the market back to equilibruim before none of us can afford to go back.

LETS DISCUSS

Liucio
06-24-05, 06:41
Its getting loud in here.

DARK KNIGHT

Did you read RIO BOB'S post?

He's signed on to SETTING the price NOT taking it.

Liucio
06-24-05, 06:50
Where are those guys that been going to RIO since '96, '97.

Start posting.

If our thinking is wrong HOW & WHY?

REMEMBER we are not talking about TERMAS. THOSE are set prices. NO NEGOTIATIONS THERE.

First, do you think you have been over paying?

Do you think you can do better?

Start posting

Liucio
06-24-05, 06:59
TO: Macunaima,

What's your reply?

Can we as consumers effect the price?

Do we at all have any buying power?

Is our negiotiation null going in?

You write good post.

Are they to powerful a force to be reckon with?

Lay in.

Liucio
06-24-05, 07:04
Spend like you are from a developed country.

Believe it JAN'06 you will feel a pinch in your pocket.

Do it now.

Liucio
06-24-05, 07:10
Remember read my post twice before your report me to the moderator.

I know I offended some BIG SPENDERS.

The guess the general response to DARK KNIGHT & my post will be:

"YOU DON'T CONTROL MY MONEY"

"I'm attempting to be my own man"

"MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS"

This will probably be the leading responses.

Henry R
06-24-05, 07:36
So the all nite max is R200? What is the short time (two hour) max we should spend?

RonnyRon
06-24-05, 10:02
Luicio,

I have been going down since 1997. Back then the most I paid was $R50.00 long or short time. You and Dark Knight are both right. My last trip the most I paid was R$150.00. The most I have ever paid was $R250.00 LTN and that was in 2003 and the rate was US$100=R$365.00. If, you meet a girl on the street, beach or a boite the most you should pay is R$50-R$80.00 for a short time. Patience is the name of the game. If you doubt that having patience works, please check some of the photos I have posted. I have 99 post in the photo section almost all have at least one photo attached. Do you think I paid the ridicious prices I see quoted by many to be with all those women?

Think about this for a moment. I was in a small boite where they perform live sex shows. I ask the manager how much extra does the girl get paid for the sex show? The answer was R$30.00. Hell, one night they had no guys to perform, so he offered me a couple of free drinks to perform with a girl. I declined his offer, but keep the amount of R$30.00 in mind.

Tell you a story about two bulls grazing in the pasture on the top of a hill. One young and full of energy. The other one older and wiser. Young bull look down the hill and see a herd of cows and says to the older bull "Hey why don't we run down and f**k one of those cows?" The older bull looks up and replys "No, let's walk down and f**k them all."

P.S. Luicio, I believe you are right. If the price of crude oil continues at it's current pace and the US dollar continues it's decline, 2006 will bring sticker shock. I'm going back before that happens.

RonnyRon

Member #4156
06-24-05, 12:07
Tell you a story about a two bulls grazing in the pasture on the top of a hill. One young and full of enery. The other one older and wiser. Young bull look down the hill and seeing a herd of cows and says to the older bull "Hey why don't we run down and f**k one of those cows?" The older bull looks up and replys "No let's walk down and f**k them all."

RonnyRonI see you've been watching too much "Colors".

Macunaima
06-24-05, 14:58
L. asks: "Can we as consumers effect the price?"

Probably not. At least not significantly.

Why?

The social network of the women in Copa is stronger than that of the mongers arriving in Copa. No matter how much you guys talk about it here, far more men arrive everyday than you can communicate with. On the other side of the equation, while there are plenty of new women arriving, they are here every day for months - perhaps years - at a time and quickly get to know one another. Their working conditions also give them a much higher degree of class unity than you guys have. So absent some major development, the social collusion among the GdPs will almost always be higher than among the mongers.

"Do we at all have any buying power?"

Individually, yes, depending on the woman, the place, the time, etc. As a class? Not that much. Certainly less than most mongers would suspect.

Ronny Ron sez: "I have been going down since 1997. Back then the most I paid was $R50.00 long or short time. You and Dark Knight are both right. My last trip the most I paid was R$150.00."

In 1997, the Real was stronger than the dollar, going for 1.20 dollars to the real, IRRC. The real was up to three to the dollar until just after Carnaval this year. There has also been a 57% inflation rate since 1997.

This means that in dollars, you paid 60.00 USD back in 1997 and 50.00 USD on your last trip: prices actually went DOWN for you.

Langer
06-24-05, 17:22
I too have been going down to Rio since 1997. Back then the most I paid was also $R50.00 long or short time. On my last trip in Jan 05 the most I paid was R$150.00 and I had girls from the beach and from a boite for R$80.00 for a short time. As RonnyRon said, patience is the name of the game.

I know a lot of girls from my trips and they have told me, usually laughing over a few drinks about the STUPID guys who give them these crazy prices. One girl told me of a guy that gave her $R200 and didn't fuck her!!

Believe me these girls are very intelligent. Good luck to them, if they can get the money.

One big point to remember. There is no relationship between price and performance; except that the more you pay the worse the performance is, as they don’t respect you.

Remember there are new girls every day so there is no shortage.

Pay R$150 - $R200 MAX!!

Jaimito Cartero
06-24-05, 17:41
I always take a month off during the summer months to escape the heat in Phoenix. I've been to a fair amount of South America, but wanted to do Brazil this year.

I usually stay in an apartment in a destination whenever I go for a week or more. I am however, looking to spend more on chicas than on the apartment. I've always been able to find a good apartment for $400-$600 a month in my journeys.

So far, in contacting Kenn, I was only offered a $1000 apartment, and no response back after weeks when I asked about less expensive places. Ronny was helpful in a recommendation, but after a couple of calls, I haven't gotten any response from that person either.

I'm a couple of months away from my trip, but before I spend the money on the visa, I wanted to find a place. If anyone has any recommendations, I'd be appreciative.

Basic requirements: good firm bed, not too noisy, electricity, bathroom, in a safe enough area close enough to the action.

Would like: TV with cable, microwave, phone.

I'm flying on a reward ticket, so I can change or cancel it with no problem. However, I think I'd really like Brazil and from the current conversations about the falling dollar, I should probably go while I can still afford it.

Young & Restless
06-24-05, 19:47
I always take a month off during the summer months to escape the heat in Phoenix. I've been to a fair amount of South America, but wanted to do Brazil this year.

I usually stay in an apartment in a destination whenever I go for a week or more. I am however, looking to spend more on chicas than on the apartment. I've always been able to find a good apartment for $400-$600 a month in my journeys.

So far, in contacting Kenn, I was only offered a $1000 apartment, and no response back after weeks when I asked about less expensive places. Ronny was helpful in a recommendation, but after a couple of calls, I haven't gotten any response from that person either.

I'm a couple of months away from my trip, but before I spend the money on the visa, I wanted to find a place. If anyone has any recommendations, I'd be appreciative.

Basic requirements: good firm bed, not too noisy, electricity, bathroom, in a safe enough area close enough to the action.

Would like: TV with cable, microwave, phone.

I'm flying on a reward ticket, so I can change or cancel it with no problem. However, I think I'd really like Brazil and from the current conversations about the falling dollar, I should probably go while I can still afford it.

Hi Jaimito,

You've probably heard of http://www.gringomanagement.com/ Just like with everything else, I've read both good and bad things about this company. If you talk to Saint, you can ask him to recommend which one of their apartments that he stayed at while he was there.

I haven't seen too many people mention this company, but this place was highly recommended by another forum member a few months back. You may want to look into it:

http://www.copacabanaholiday.com.br/layout.asp?url=home&idioma=english

Hope this helps,

Y & R

RonnyRon
06-24-05, 22:45
Hey Keldeson,

I actually forgot where I heard that story, so thanks for reminding me. Didn't say it was my story, but I think you got the point. With 8 posts under your belt, perhaps it is you who has watched Colors a few too many times.

Macunaima,

What you stated is correct. The amount I mentioned, I paid once. I know I paid less and will continue to do so. My point is in 1997 the few Americans visiting actually cared about how much money they were spending. I learned from a group of older, seasoned vets and I am glad I did.

RonnyRon

Brazilman
06-25-05, 01:22
The bottom line is this: You shouldn't pay more than 50 to 60 DOLLARS at Help, or any hooker hangout on the strip. The guys that went in 97 stated the only reason they paid 50-60rR back then was because the exchange rate was 1 to 1, or a little better. I don't know what the termas would cost if the rate went back to 1.2 to 1, but I promise you ,the termas wouldn't have any gringos in there. Probably a bunch of locals grabbing ass and not doing a session.On a side note, I'm so glad i purchased my ticket to Rio last week for about 825 because the price of oil is 60.00 a friggin barrell now, which means the airlines are going to continue to raise fares to Brazil. What used to cost me 650, when purchased a couple months in advanced, now cost me 825. If oil hits 65 to 70 a barrell, what cost 825 now is going to be 1000. Enjoy Brazil now, because in a year, the exchange will be 2r to 1 and tickets will be 1000 on the low side. My dick is going limp just writing that last sentence. I might have to find a new mongering destination soon.

Orgasm Donor
06-25-05, 02:46
I've noticed at least one escort agency dropped their prices for all the ladies 50R. I hope this isnt an isolated case and the trend continues with the US dollar tanking out.

O.D.

Liucio
06-25-05, 02:46
Ronny Ron,

If the most you are paying is $R150. Are you being turned down a lot because of the price you are offering? Because there is a HUGE DISPARITY between what you are price and what many of these guys are paying.

How are you going into the negoitiation if she is DEAD SET on $R250-$R200.

Tell me, the garotas in the photos, was all those UNDER $R150 also?

Maybe I can afford to comeback after all.

Ron tell me are you are passing up a great many 10 SCALE garotas because you are still to your price?

And would you ever drop $R300 for an hour or two with a 10?

Liucio
06-25-05, 03:10
Ronny Ron,

If you are paying these prices you should be working as a negoiator for some of these guys.

After they pay you a commission they will still save rather than going into the deal themselves.

You are negoitiating back wood rural prices.

Of course thats, thats how it should be.

Ronnyron, Dark Knight, are we cheap?

Are we missing some incredible long legged, thin waist ridiculous specimen by not offer R$300.

Are we missing out on the 10's?

I want to see a photo of a 10, and I want some yahoo to rationalize why he paid R$300.

KnifeFish
06-25-05, 03:53
The the R$ starts to fall, the termas and freelancers quicky readjust their prices, however when the R$ rises, they don't want to compensate the other way.

What Macanunmia states about the girls networking is correct. Infact it is a major reason why Copacabana sucks. For example, a while back met this VERY attractive girl , just in from some small town outside of SP. I was her first client in Rio, got a R$150 a day (Jan and Feb) deal and saw her daily. After about 1 week of this I went to meet her at the Balcony, she was sat with some old skanky bitches. Everything turned sour, these skanky bitches told her I'd been ripping her off, she was in a big mood and that was the end of that. The old and ugly latch on to these newcowers as they use them to bait guys to their table.

About prices, in my experience its related to the girls attitude, not her looks. Some uglies will ask for more that some beauties.

I also remember going back 7-10 years ago. Back then All Night was the default deal, the girls thought you were crazy if you suggested short time. Thesedays things have reversed.

Luicio, some guys overpay because they haven't got the confidence or charisma to get a better deal. Way too many guys pretending to be high rollers outside Help, never heard so many BS stories in my life.

Fartknocker
06-25-05, 04:27
Well, well, well, gentlemen. I take a couple weeks off from the forum and come back to find . . .

LUCIO!

Jesus Fucking Christ, son, take up a hobby! Go start a bottle cap collection or something. In two weeks you've managed to fill up close to five pages worth of rambling, semi-coherent nonsense. Please do not post again until you look up the meaning of the words "concise" and "relevant," and then try to strive for these qualities in your posts.

And give up on pricing discusions. They are old, Old, OLD. See the archives for proof. The prices are always "going up", some guys are always "overpaying", and somebody on this forum is always bitching about it.

The definitive answer is that the Brazilian sex services market is huge beyond your wildest dreams. Prostitution is a Brazilian institution and the primary customers are BRAZILIAN MEN. All the overpaying gringos in the world can't move the prices one penny except in gringo hangouts like HELP. Many escort agencies in Rio are still charging R$100 - R$150 for two or more hours with a girl. In the little towns I tend to frequent R$60 will still get you a good time with one of the local girls. Cash-heavy gringos haven't moved these prices one iota.

<yawn>. Time to take another break until somebody posts something interesting. ;-)

Carrib
06-25-05, 07:30
This is fucking ridiculous---we have guys bitching about paying in reals in a Brazilian termas no less...others bitching about prices the girls charge. University professors providing colorful comentary on mongering-stick to Anthro and Brazilian culture in general--there are guys here who have PHDs in mongering.

There are too many women in rio--much more than u can fuck and overpay. Jusy think about it guys...For those of you who have actually traveled to Brazil and mongered.. even those of you that never leave Avenida Atlantica...you've got the beach, Meia Pattaca, Help, and Monte Carlo. How many times have you left the country with several numbers of babes that you did not have time to fuck?...Or come back intending to fuck a garota with some special skills only to get sidetracked by new superstars? FUCK THE GAROTA CARTEL

Set your price, and DO NOT budge. 200 reals TLN. She wants more? walk away. Its okay to retire for the night without taking a *****. Then YOU can develop a rep of not paying more than R150-200. what happens is that you pay your rate and the other stupidos pay R300-500 and up!

Dont forget to talk shit, flirt (working knowledge of portuguese is needed)

These girls are smart:

This past April I was in Rio with a couple of friends, some of them newbies to Rio. They decided to invite some girls they met at Solarium the night before. Mind you this is about 2am in the morning I am in midstroke with a babe. A knock on my door, come negotiate. Translate: FUCK!

Carrib: Ok my friends would like you guys to stay the rest of the night. How much?

Girls: Ok sure. 500 reals each.

Carrib: Are you serious?

Girls: Well you paid 150 reals per hour at Solarium.

Carrib: This isn't Solarium. 200 reals until 9am for a festinah or you can leave.

Girls: Ok then we'll leave but we need money for a taxi.

Carrib: LOL. Slams the door

This is in Belo at Crystals.

It was about @2:30am and there was this tall stunner with whom I started a brief convo. After the prelims, here are you from, you look good blah blah.

Carrib: How much?

GDP: R300

Carrib: Huh? is that for the rest of the night?

GDP: No, for 2 hours.

Carrib: LOL!

Carrib went home alone that evening.

See guys its not that hard!

On the other hand, back in Rio I found 2 absolutely gorgeous amateurs on their way to HELP. To make a long story short. They work at a store in centro and prob make @60 reals a week. During negotiations my buddy broke down (fucker got impatient) and offered R200 for the night after my girl had agreed to R150. But we fucked both and they left around 8:30am the next morning after some more action.

Moral of this story? For every garota charging 300R+ there are always fresh young stars ready for the draft :) The prob is some idiot will offer these girls $200-300 USD and they will be spoiled forever. One of them told me some NBA dude paid her 30 reals to take her picture while she was at the store! Just think about it. She prob thought "gee I make about 50-60 reals per week, and the wheels start spinning. Before long they will be full time programa girls and as soon as I confirm this I will post their pics. One of them, it was her first time.

Macunaima
06-25-05, 15:31
"University professors providing colorful comentary on mongering-stick to Anthro and Brazilian culture in general--there are guys here who have PHDs in mongering."

Great! I need a post-doc advisor, so anyone who has a PhD in mongering should feel free to contact me. :-p

Here's how Copacabana pricing works, as far as I can figure it, from the woman's perspective. Now there are a lot of individual exceptions to this, so please don't take this as a hard and fast rule: it's really a set of guidelines.

Ultimately, pricing is controlled by the native market.

When a woman pulls a bad night at Help, she has two choices: go home or go to the Xepa. If she's been doing well this month, she'll probably go home. If it's coming towards bill paying time, she'll head for the Xepa.

The Xepa is so named for a character in an old telenovela, "Dona Xepa", who always showed up at the end of the market in order to get the best prices. The Xepa for the Copa pros is to walk the Caio Prado area street strip in homes of turning some cash with a quick fuck or blow-job with some filhinho de papai on the way back from a party.

Prices for the Xepa range from 15 reais for a quick in-car blow-job or 50 for an hour-long fuck at a near-by motel (lots of variables enter here, but this seems to be the range). The disadvantage of the xepa from the pro's viewpoint is that these guys almost always treat her worse than the gringo mongers. The advantage is that a xepa is a wham-bam-thank-you-mam kind of thing and it's over quick, with money changing hands.

What pros hate WORSE than working the Xepa is sitting all night at some damned gringo's table and then getting nothing out of him. They realize that the illusion of being surrounded by hundreds of willing women is a big reason why gringos come to Copa. But they also realize that this tends to generate situations where they have to sit or hours listening to some guy blather on in English ot Italian or what have you, only to be dumped at the last minute with the entire night going to waste. They HATE this.

So when you're playing coy with a pro, one of things running through her head is "OK. How likely is it that this guy is just wasting my time in order to feel like a big man? If he's whining like this now, imagine all the little games that are going to be played between here and his hotel. Plus, maybe he's going to want me to stick around for an hour or so before going and an hour or so after. It's now 2 AM. If I get my ass out to the Xepa now, I can probably turn 50-200 reais worth of tricks by 4AM and go HOME. If I stay around here with this clown, not only am I lowering my price to the point where it'll be about equal to the Xepa anyhow, but I'll have to put up with him for several more hours as well. Fuck it. Maybe I should just leave now."

For this reason, most of these women won't go under 100 reais a trick unless they are very desperate. And they certainly won't spend the night for that price. At about 2AM, the xepa begins to loom as a relatively attractive option for any woman with a degree of cash in the bank.

Carib sez:

"These girls are smart"

...and then he says...

"One of them, it was her first time."

Which is, of course, the oldest pro line on the strip. Maybe it was, but I HIGHLY doubt it. Girls usually do not arrive in Copa without having had some market based experiences elsewhere, even if it's only selling blow-jobs to highschool kids out in Irajá. Of course, they DO know that you guys LOVE the thought that you are breaking a girl into the life. Every pro I've ever interviewed has claimed that she's used the "I'm new here" line when she thought she could profit by it.

Sunset Strip
06-25-05, 16:35
Carrib is 100% correct. A lot of the discussion here lately has been futile. And, yes, many of you have allowed people such as Macu to shift the discussion into areas that do not normally recive this much coverage.

I am in Rio now and see thîngs the way Carrib does. People are paying ¨too much¨because they are impatient and let their little head do the thinking, then afterwards they come on this site and complain. How can you complain about prices being too high when nobody is forcing you to have sex with the girls?

I was in Meia Pataca last night and many girls thought I was new. But once they saw I would not buy them drinks or food they got the picture and left me alone. I was perfectly fine getting drunk alone, watching their asses, and waiting until I decided to invite one over. It is much cheaper this way. However, most guys cannot do this and the girls know it as Carrib says. They take the guy for as much as possible.

You guys should remember what the Republicans use to say about drugs and apply it to many of the girls in Rio by Just Saying No!

It is a buyer´s market as long as you use your brains and not your penis.

Have fun,

TJ

RonnyRon
06-25-05, 19:12
Luicio,

The fundemental difference between myself and many others who travel to Rio is this. Mindset. I recognize that when I get off the plane, I am a highly sought after commodity. You ask the question "Are you being turned down a lot because of the price you are offering?" The anwser is simply. No. Why? Because I never begin the conversation with money as a topic. In fact many times money never comes up. I always give them something because I know for them it is work, but no one said work can't be fun. I take them to breakfast, lunch or dinner. It really just depends on her attitude, which I find more often than not is good.

I approach women there the same way I approach women here. The difference is there I have a great deal more leverage. If all you want to do is f**k them and they know that, by all means start the conversation with money. I just go and have fun. Go to the movies. I bet few guys know that the movies are actually in English with Portuguese sub titles.

Yes most of the women were $R150.00 or less. Some of the terma ask you to pay for the women's company in cash. I have never paid more than $R100.00 the rest I put on my credit card, unless of course I took two.

Since, we all have difference taste in women. A 10 for you may not be a 10 for me. Don't know how many I missed. I just know there will be a whole new crew when I get back and NO, I would never even think of paying $R300.00 to be with a women for an hour.

RonnyRon

Jaimito Cartero
06-25-05, 20:52
I'm so glad i purchased my ticket to Rio last week for about 825 because the price of oil is 60.00 a friggin barrell now, which means the airlines are going to continue to raise fares to Brazil. .

As long as there is competition between airlines, then the fares will be stable. While fuel is a major cost to airlines, it is still behind both labor and equipment as costs.

Generally fuel is no more than 20% of the total costs for airlines. So a 20% increase in fuels only translates to a 4% increase in ticket prices. They will cry about it, as it is a big cost, but it doesn't equate a 25% increase.

If you fly alot, then you should be able to go to Brazil for free. Last year my frequent flyer program announced an increase in miles to fly to Brazil. They were going from 35,000 miles to 50,000. I scooped up tickets to EZE and GRU at the old rates. I earn 35k miles every month or two, so it's not a bad deal.

Liucio
06-25-05, 21:23
KNIFEFISH,

You are right:

"I also remember going back 7-10 years ago. Back then All Night was the default deal."

Now theses guys at MEI PETACA leave at 10pm with the garota and she's back at the table within 60mins. And her hair is still wet.

In my research I have also heard these riculous stories while sitting at those tables. I sat with one guy who said he was a Record Producer. He was dressed and had on 3 rings and I thick bracelet.

He was talking about how much he drops in 10 days in RIO. He pays R$300 for all nighters. He had the table packed with 6 GAROTAS and the table was covered with 2 bottles of some hard liquor. He says he's the TOP DAWG when he's down there and that sometimes he doesn't even BANG when they return to his room.

After sitting at those tables too long you start to think everyone there is full of SH*T.

I interviewed a Garota that was hired to perform in an adult video. She said because of her talents and after making the video she would not go back to charging less than R$300. And yes in my eyes she eas a 10, and the guys at BARBARELL'S also though she was a 10.

She was charging R$300 for a short time NOT all night.

And about an hour later sure enough she was hired by guy and they left.

Liucio
06-25-05, 22:07
During my research in RIO in MAY. 4 of the guys I interviewed also said they were stopped at random and was asked for their documents. One guy said he was standing on the corner on the opposite side of the beach and 1 officer asked where is your documents and he had only, photo copies.

He said he was told to pay a fine now or follow the officer back to that station in front of COPA HOTEL. He said he paid all he had which was R$43 and some change that was in his front pocket.

The other two guys where in LAPA trying to find a party, when a JEEP of MILITIA guys told them to STOP.

3 police exited the jeep and asked for documents. They did not have their documents not even their passports.

So one guy offers the police R$20. The police accepted and the guys thought this was over but the other police want R$20 also.

So all the police in the Jeep were paid. The driver included.

The other two guys paid police in the area near MAB's.

I have seen this myself. I have seen this first hand.

This is particularly prevalent in Fortaleza. There is a culture of shake downs on the beach and in some busy bars that tourist frequent. The garotas also participate.

It could be just a couple of bad police but it does exist enough to be noticeable.

I do not think it would be helpful to report these guys either.

SO, Onde estão seus originais!

Liucio
06-25-05, 22:30
TJ Fannatic,

Most of these guys do just the opposite they pack they table with garotas.

They then gaortas start inviting their co-workers.

Next think you know, they are all hungry and thirsty.

You mentioned the word cheap and believe those garotas will call you just that word. CHEAP

There is one particular garota that has is aggressive. She speaks a little English and she has a very deep scratchy voice.

She wanted to know why I was sitting a the table, inviting girls to come over and not making any propositions.

I told her I was interviewing the girls. She got very upset and accused me of wasting these girls time and that I was CHEAP. She was very loud, very.

She kept asking me "HOW MUCH, HUCH MUCH YOU PAY"

YOU COME HERE TO F*CK, YES, LETS F*CK."

Some guys by them beers and liquor to ease the negoiations that will take place later.

But yes you can quickly find yourself buying drinks for 3 UNINVITED guest at your table.

Liucio
06-25-05, 23:01
If these garotas are smart they will demand to be paid in Euros and Dollars.

By just allowing this moeny to sit in their drawer, they could earn an extra 7% return when they exchange in 60 days.

They spend become novice futures traders.

The Gov in Brasil is not intervening in the strengtening of the Real.

That's bad news for me because I have been prices out of that market.

I leave Rio to the big boys.

Question to all:

Why do the girls in Barbarella's one pirce (excessively high) then they arrive at Mei Petaca they are asking a different price (much lower)?

Liucio
06-25-05, 23:52
During my trip I did notice that the gents that frequent Mab's
prefer not to frequent Mei Petaca.

Does any know this Kenny gentleman personally. Is he a legitimate businessman. I only ask because I am interested in a venture and he sounds like the guy to get more on the ground info from. Does he frequent Mei Petaca?

Liucio
06-26-05, 02:17
Correction:

I meant in my last post that, you guys not the garotas should buy reals.

Buy many reals now, with the prospect to spend them in the future when you return. Especially for you guys that constantly travel to Brazil year round.

Does anyone know if the Nigerian guy Alez is still in Rio?

Liucio
06-26-05, 02:46
That bust is one reason I never travel with others. I am always alone or with a garota. Not to say that this is the reason for the bust but, when I am abroad, I always operate alone. I was sitting at across the street Mab's on the beach side at the table and I could hear these guys speaking english form across the street. It was late and it was dark and these guys were loud.

Same thing at the Rodoviaria Novo Onibus Station. The guys were getting on the bus speaking loud in English and this bus was headed 40mins outside of Rio before it was to make its first stop. Someone could have placed a call to have the onibus intercepted at its first stop, and collected some cash from the passengers. Where there are tourist there is money.

I try my best to keep a low profile.

Bubba Boy
06-26-05, 13:37
Couldn't agree more, Liucio -- start a bottle cap collection already.

Btw, this section is for reports, for genuine people going to Brasil and hobbying. If you want to ramble on about "general stuff" do it in the appropriate section or do it somewhere else.......

Sperto
06-26-05, 14:21
[QUOTE=Liucio
I try my best to keep a low profile.[/QUOTE]

Then try keeping a lower profile on this forum.
This far you have written 56 posts withou any new information at all.
You knowledge of Brazil impress me just as much as your spelling of Meia Pataca.

Zorglub
06-26-05, 16:14
If these garotas are smart they will demand to be paid in Euros and Dollars.

By just allowing this moeny to sit in their drawer, they could earn an extra 7% return when they exchange in 60 days.Like you said "if they are smart". Problem is most of them spend as fast they gain!

Fartknocker
06-26-05, 18:55
LIUCIO!

Listen, fool, nobody is interested in reading seven posts in a row of your bullshit! Do you notice anyone else posting five, six, or seven times a day to the same forum?

And lets take a second to critique your writing style. Do you realise how painful your prose is to read? You ramble, digress, and change subjects mid-paragraph. Then you turn around and start a new paragraph in the middle of an idea. Your use of simple and simple-compound sentences with nary a complex clause makes for a reading experience as smooth as a Humvee with bad shocks driving down a dirt road. At the risk of sound culturally insensitive, dare I ask if English is your first language?

And worst of all, your posts contain NO NEW OR INTERESTING INFORMATION. Half the guys here have either lived or are living in Brazil. Your newbie observations about the Rio sex scene and Brazilian life in general are about as enlightening as the disclaimer on the back of a credit card application. Nothing you have said is news to anyone who has spent more than an afternoon in Brazil.

Put a sock in it, already!

Sunset Strip
06-26-05, 21:49
Yes Mabs is not what it used to be. But I think you can still meet a few gems there. Given that Meia Pataca is flooded with gringos I think Mabs is the place to be again.

For any of you were there today I was the guy with the girls flashing their tits. Tonight, they will not have on panties. Sorry, I know there is a time delay in these posts so maybe I can give a headstart next time so you can see the free show.

TJ

Young & Restless
06-26-05, 22:31
I always take a month off during the summer months to escape the heat in Phoenix. I've been to a fair amount of South America, but wanted to do Brazil this year.

I usually stay in an apartment in a destination whenever I go for a week or more. I am however, looking to spend more on chicas than on the apartment. I've always been able to find a good apartment for $400-$600 a month in my journeys.

So far, in contacting Kenn, I was only offered a $1000 apartment, and no response back after weeks when I asked about less expensive places. Ronny was helpful in a recommendation, but after a couple of calls, I haven't gotten any response from that person either.

I'm a couple of months away from my trip, but before I spend the money on the visa, I wanted to find a place. If anyone has any recommendations, I'd be appreciative.

Basic requirements: good firm bed, not too noisy, electricity, bathroom, in a safe enough area close enough to the action.

Would like: TV with cable, microwave, phone.

I'm flying on a reward ticket, so I can change or cancel it with no problem. However, I think I'd really like Brazil and from the current conversations about the falling dollar, I should probably go while I can still afford it.

Hi Jaimito,

Here are a few more that might interest you. Someone from another board reported that he pays $35 p/night at http://www.thewonderfulcity.com/default.asp

This site, http://www.rioapartments.com/english/index.htm advertises apartments for $30 p/night.

Here’s one that advertises $20 p/night if you stay 23+ nights:

http://www.telefonema.net/

Here’s one that accepts Visa and American Express:

http://www.rentaflat.com.br/index.htm

Rio Bob
06-26-05, 22:52
Hi Jaimito,

Here are a few more that might interest you. Someone from another board reported that he pays $35 p/night at http://www.thewonderfulcity.com/default.asp



Just as an endorsement, I know this agency, the woman I have dealt with before her name is Margareth and she is very reputable, she speaks perfect English too and I just checked out her site and she has plenty of apartments and I would bet that since most of them are spread all over they probably go for a good price, make sure you tell her it is for a month as I believe you should get a better price for a longer stay.

Carrib
06-27-05, 01:25
try and change this dialogue--as the board has been hijacked by non-mongers

Below is Ohana--actual name is Jacqueline. She is doing movies now and has some rich italian boyfriend. This is a story how a sweet nice girl can become a hardcore spoiled pro. I met her through a mutual friend and she was the sweetest thing--never paid more than R150 with her and sometimes she left without taking any money. Over the years she purchased her own car(or someone bought it for her) built a house in Cabo Frio--etc. Ohana as she was known in 4x4 always had rich clients--in fact every friday she was always occupied as this guy would hire her for about 6 hours in the largest suite. Back then she was polite, sweet and gave great performances in bed. We developed a very good friendship over the years and she tried to get me to go to cabo with me declining as I didnt want to be in her car--at her house, in Cabo--in retrospect that was prob stupid on my part but I had many other options--being stuck in situation I couldnt control and with one girl for an entire weekend in Cabo--was not my thing.

Ohana--who was orignally quite shy and reserved(never set foot in help/MP) started doing photos for internet sites--then moved on to american pornos. Thats when I noticed a change..suddenly she would not spend the night any longer--and the R150 was no longer an "option"..basically she would stop by early evenings for a few hours and leave. She told me about her new boyfriend how he spent loads of money on her and took her to Italy. I also noticed that she would not do BBBJCIM any longer and the performances were bland at best--especially after I refused to take her shopping and bring her Victoria Secrets loungerie( fuck that so she go fuck someone else in it?)

AH WELL, it was great while it lasted.

Macunaima
06-27-05, 01:40
TJ,

Aamyone who was down on Copa today was probably not looking at the girls in front of Mabs, given the variety of pure spectacle available at today's Gay Pride parade.

More silicon than a Microsoft factory. LOL.

Carrib
06-27-05, 02:36
Before I begin--there's another fucking website--********.net that is highjacking our picks. INIT4ASS! Is basically spending his time in the photo gallery and reposting pics. Fucker

Some of you have been squealing to these *****s and showing them their posted pics on the internet. NOTE: the pics that I post are of girls I no longer deal with nor do I give a fuck about. Want to control the prices?--stop trying to win favor of these hoes, they dont love you--only your money(except for few exceptions :) )

Ok here we go:

Garota number one is Marianna. She is 26 years old with FOUR kids, yes 4. doesnt take care any of them as they either with their fathers or has a nanny . One of her kids' dad is a NYC resident who sends money for the maid/nanny. she came by the apt early evening--she was charging about R150 for a few hours and got fucked by three guys..she went home aorund 2am with R450 a sore pussy (didnt do the negotiating). When I got back from belo I tried to get her all night for a quad session (me and my buddy and 2 girls)--I offered R200 she wanted R400--she countered with R350...no fucking way-- I told her ass as the other babe agreed to R200...***** told me that was her prob--and she hung up!!...so her pic is plastered here..ha ha.

Next up is Vania--her GDP name is Melissa Escobar and she can be found at www.hotside.com.br. She charges about 150 for 1hour--and R200 for 2 hours. This can be negotioted but she doesnt like to stay past 1am--little bambinos I presume. SHe is a sure fire pro but after u get past the prelims--she is a good fuck with a tight pussy. I called her and told her to bring two others. Vania's real value is that she knows some very good looking amateurs. The first night I arranged a small fiesta with her and 2 other gorgeous women that she brought-was able to neg 200 reals from 8-1am for an orgy--then my buddy gets impatient and agrees to R300. fuck! Made him fork over the difference. next night she was invited again by my buddies, had enough of her ass and didnt take part, BUT she brought 2 new even finer ass women and was able to hook up the next night for R200 TLN!!

Last but not least are the 2 amateurs--the one on the left(lighter hair) was the most experienced as she did most of the talking. The other one was her first time. I got her to agree to R150 but my buddy agreed to R200. Oral skills were poor, barely could put on a condom but EXTREMELY tight pussy. They work at a clothing store in centro. It wont be long until someone spoils them forever, but until then, names and faces will be kept secret to protect the innocent..

Lorenzo
06-27-05, 04:49
For God's sake, guys, whatever you do, please don't confuse Liucio with Lorenzo!

Dashing Don
06-27-05, 05:44
Finally got back the land of broadband and I'm ready to respond to the [Deleted by Admin] who attacked me for my recent post on 4x4. This includes Spurto, Rio Slob, Ronnyron ( what the fuck kind of name is that?) and others with too few posts to merit a mention.

Basically, their arguments are that I and my friends should have had reals to begin with and by not having reals, and wanting a reasonable rate, we were 'ugly americans'. What [Deleted by Admin].

Before going to 4x4 we went to Solarium, Luomo and Centaurus. All of them were happy to exchange dollars at 2.5, a good rate. They offered to do this. We didn't ask. So naturally we assumed that this was standard practice.

Centaurus wants dollars so bad that they offer a dollar only entrance of $130. Its 310 reals if you pay Brazilian. If you want to change dollars to reals, they give a rate of 2.6, the best rate in town. So when we went to 4x4, and some of us had run out of reals, we didn't anticipate a problem. Why would we, based on our experience with three other termas?

The weasel that runs 4x4 tried to give us 2.1. We objected and he quickly capitulated. He knew he was profiteering. He knew he was wrong. And knew that the average reasonable person would never back him up. He didn't want six guys causing a fuss. Its bad for business. He got caught. So he gave us 2.3. Fuck him. He's a piece of shit. And to think that Rio Blowjob, Spurto and assorted other individuals support this kind of behavior is mindblowing.

I've traveled to more countries than most of my detractors and I couldn't travel safely if I was an 'ugly american'. But one of the differences between me and Starfish (king of the oneline posts) and Noddn (am I getting this name right?), is that, where prudent, I'll stand up for my rights. I ain't gonna take 2.1 instead of 2.5 like Runnyrun [Deleted by Admin].

Some of the aforementioned shitheads try to carve out an online 'territory'. Others try to become 'WSG celebrities.' Both are bullshit and deserve contempt. WSG celebrity has the longevity of a cumshot. The territorialists belong at the local Elks, sipping dollar beers. Neither adhere to the mission statement of the board. Its about providing info, [Deleted by Admin]. Got it?

Now I've gotten a lot of good info here among the chaff and I try to give back when I notice something. I believe thats the right thing to do. I've got more. So listen up. Its this:

No Fire Marshall in the United States would ever let 4x4 open, let alone operate. Reason: its an incredible firetrap. It consists of a warren of corridors that are extremely narrow. There is one, narrow entrance followed by a stairs where you have to bend over to ascend that leads to an extremely narrow 'reception area' and then more extremely narrow corridors. In fact, the corridors are so narrow that when two people approach each other from opposite directions, one has to 'back to the wall.' I have not seen an exit sign and assume there is none.

It gets worse. In Brazil, everyone smokes everywhere, including 4x4. But here, when they finish their cigarettes, they don't stub them out. They simply toss them! You can figure out the rest.

This is the kind of real info that I think the boardmembers should know--not the Rio Slob, Bimbo Boy bullshit.

Don

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Sperto
06-27-05, 07:38
All of them were happy to exchange dollars at 2.5, a good rate. They offered to do this. We didn't ask. So naturally we assumed that this was standard practice.
DonOf course it's standard practice in Brazil to offer good exchange rates to [Deleted by Admin] gringos who goes to a terma without reais.



I've traveled to more countries than most of my detractors
DonI think you should go back to Thailand.



Its about providing info, boneheads. Got it?
DonWell, it was excellent information you provided. Now everybody knows that [Deleted by Admin] .

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Brazilman
06-27-05, 07:51
Good post Don. I agree with you. #1 How is smoking allowed in any of these termas is beyond me. There is 0 ventelation at these places and the way people toss the ciggs, it's only a matter of time before one of these places goes up in smoke. You cant breathe in these places one bit. They would make twice as much money if they banned smoking. People might sit in 4x4 longer and buy more drinks if there was no smoking allowed. On a side note, what is the exchange rate at the cambios.has it gone up or down. I will be there in August and am hoping for the best.

Jaimito Cartero
06-27-05, 08:14
Thanks for the help on Apartments. The only thing I dislike about most of the sites is that they don't list any prices on them, so you can't see what price range you're looking at. I understand that Carnival week is going to be much different than other times, and I wouldn't mind a high/low/Carnival pricing.

Exec Talent
06-27-05, 14:13
Centaurus wants dollars so bad that they offer a dollar only entrance of $130. Its 310 reals if you pay Brazilian. If you want to change dollars to reals, they give a rate of 2.6, the best rate in town.
So naturally, being a math major and money conscious, you paid the $130 right? What if you had exchanged your dollars for Reis at 2.6 then paid the R$310 entrance fee? You would have saved $10.



No Fire Marshall in the United States would ever let 4x4 open, let alone operate.
Most of us have been trying to point this out to you Dorothy, you are not in Kansas anymore. Ever been to the Eros centers in Frankfurt?

Maybe you should worry more about fixing what is wrong with you rather than telling us what is wrong with Brazil.

Beleriand
06-27-05, 15:31
As a follow-up on my last Rio report found here:

http://www.*************.info/forum/showpost.php?p=368028&postcount=507

On my last night here I wanted to visit Solarium again. I got there around 00:30 and the door guy told me that entrance is until midnight only. The 2:00am closing time posted on their website is for exiting mongers that arrived before midnight.

I then tried Centaurus but they wanted more cash than what I had in my pocket right then. I thought I could pay most of the fees by credit card like in Solarium.

I really thought their fees were much more expensive than at Solarium so I didn't bother to find an ATM or anything like that. Plus, the girls sitting out front were not that good-looking, PLUS I still wanted to see Camila again (see previous post above).

Nontheless, I gave one last shot at Luomo. When I got there it was closed.

This is when I gave up and went back to the Hotel.

Luckily, next day I managed to cut short the meetings and having most of the afternoon free before hoping into a plane, I decided to go to Solarium.

I got there around 3:30pm (they open at 3pm on weekdays).

I found Camila sitting by herself on the same spot. I did check out the other girls and they were not as pretty. There weren't many yet either, since it was so early. Anyway, we started making out and after the (disgusting) Agua de Coco she likes so much we went upstairs and had an even better time than the 1st one, and I got 3 pics!

You'll have to forgive the low quality. I took them with my cellphone.

Isn't she an angel?

I trust you won't be distributing these or telling her I posted them (yeah, right!). Be decent guys!

Cheers!

B.

Slick1
06-27-05, 16:18
after reading posts ad nauseum on this board on where to exchange reals for the best rate it really surprises me how quick so many of you schmucks were to attack, and jump to conclusions when dashing don simply advised not to bring dollars to 4x4. despite the fact most every other terma was more than fair in their conversion.
i was there that night and i was one of the few who had not bothered to change money earlier that day. excuse me , i prefered to lounge on the beach. there was no "show of force" and there was no "ugly american" attitude exhibited. in fact they liked us just fine when all 6 of us drank freely and each took a girl to the cabine for more than the standard 40 minutes. we sipped our drinks quitely, behaved respectfully and had a great time hanging out in the upper boite. for you jingoistic national posters, and you know who you are, we weren't at all like the large groups of younger brasilieros strutting around drunk with robes pulled down to their waists, prancing like peacocks to the sounds of their own psuedo machismo, all the while intent on coping as many cheap feels as they could muster for the price of the cover charge.
if dollars aren't wanted, fine, simply say so at the door. this was not exchanging money, this was paying our tab, and a 2.1 conversion was plain and simple gringo pricing and excuse my french , bullshit. we had every right to point this out to management. it amazes me how you want to hold everyone on the board to paying all the help girls the same 150 reals and then attack a member when terma management pulls the same price gouging.

to make a long story short. we all went back to 4x4 several days later and were welcomed by the same guy we complained to earlier that week. really no need for you guys to so hastily jump to conclusions, which are in fact erroneous at best. it's easy i guess to attack someone when you hide behind the cloak of anonymity on this board. i can only assume that so many of you toupee laden terds with your own false sense of bravado are the very same guys which need don the tour guide to lead you by the hands from the alcazar to help disco.
save your "ugly american" ranting and raving for someone else. not that i care one friggin iota what you all think, but i can knowingly state that not one brasilian was ever offended by our group, and those in "all" of the service industries were more than eager for our repeat business.

Slick1
06-27-05, 17:21
Forgot to add:

Before you homegrown boys begin to so deeply focus on the attitudes of Americans, why not become a tad more introspective. Ask yourself why so many Brasilians find it next to impossible to clean up after their own dogs. I was pretty glad to be staying in Ipanema as Copocabana was strewn with dogshit. I can only imagine what that place smells like in the summer heat. Get a few more bathrooms also, so that the human population as well is not forced to turn the ocean into their own personal comode. We had the luxury of walking up to our hotel, what do you do, Sperto ? Throw your god damn corn cobs in the garbage rather than on the beach. Same goes for your cigarettes. We cleaned up our messes why can't you. Before you go on with your anti American campaign,take a look in the mirror.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Brasil. And I also surely realize that George Bushs' America has portrayed us poorly in most of the worlds eyes, but take your holier than thou attitudes and shove it !

Sperto
06-27-05, 18:11
Forgot to add:
We had the luxury of walking up to our hotel, what do you do, Sperto ? Throw your god damn corn cobs in the garbage rather than on the beach. Same goes for your cigarettes. We cleaned up our messes why can't you. Before you go on with your anti American campaign,take a look in the mirror.

"Anti American campaign"? I have made NO comments about Americans.
You must have mistaken me with one of your brazilian boyfriends.
By the way I don't smoke.

El Mujerista
06-27-05, 20:44
Beleriand, kudos on your report. Camila is one of my long-standing favourites at Solarium since I met her there two years ago. I saw her again just last week, where I took some pix of my own of her in the same red nightie in the suite! EM likes 'em small and lively, and she fits the bill. It was a surprise to see her there as when I last saw her she had left Solarium and was working at Termas 65 on Rosario. Well done, sir.

I also did two sessions in L'uomo, one with the lovely Laura and another with an old favourite, Luize. Laura has some of the greatest oral skills I've experienced lately and had me exploding in her mouth in no time in the Super Suite. I first met Luize back in February, have seen her a few times, and we always have a great time together. L'uomo was EM's first terma way back in the late 20th Century, and has never failed to please.

I went to Help for the first time in two years. I found a real cutie named Daniela who seemed like the whole package but in the end was only CBJ with a so-so attitude and rather disappointing overall. (She doesn't have a mobile phone, wanted me to buy her one. Roight...) Definitely not recommended.

Happy Hunting,
EM

Bubba Boy
06-27-05, 20:49
Is Luize the blonde that speaks English quite well?

I agree Laura is cute, I like her new blonde highlights and of course her CIM (sometimes she swallows).

Brazilman
06-27-05, 21:15
Question to the board about apts:

This will be the first time getting an apt.Im looking at a couple sites mentioned here. What can i expect. Will I say WOW! I can't believe i ever rented a hotel, or this place is a dump.What did I get myself into.

El Mujerista
06-27-05, 21:26
Is Luize the blonde that speaks English quite well?
BB, Luize is not blonde, she's a morena from San Luis. She sometimes wears a quasi-military type costume top with epaulets, or something else a bit different from what all the other girls wear. I don't know why she can be unique in her dress, I didn't ask. But she speaks no English whatsoever, so Portuguese is required for best effect. It's actually been a while since I've met a girl in L'uomo who could speak much english.


I agree Laura is cute, I like her new blonde highlights and of course her CIM (sometimes she swallows).
Thanks for reminding me of the blonde highlights. I thought they were quite distinctive. In line with the remark above about the girls' costumes, those highlights made it possible for me to tell her apart from another garota who looked nearly alike (I asked if they were sisters; she said no) and who was wearing the same green outfit.

To answer another poster's PM, Daniela is not young thin blonde, but a tiny young thin brunette with a killer smile and great body. At any rate, use care.

Happy Hunting,
EM

Sunset Strip
06-27-05, 23:32
Oi,

When I got back to Mabs last night (Sunday) my girl was sitting in a chair near the door with a short black skirt on (it was much shorter than she described earlier). She was not sitting in front, but beside the table which suprised me given she was not to have on panties. Then I figured since it was earlier than our 8pm meeting time that she was wearing them. Basically from where she was sitting ANY guy could see her stuff everytime she moved. When I sat down she put my hand down there and spread it and I saw and felt everything! Damn!

She is short, white, fine, blond, and young. I took her to my apartment after drinks and fun. All of the waiters knew she was pantyless, they kept coming to the table looking. Also, the cab driver caught on when I licked my fingers after dipping them! He closed the cab windows and told us to go ahead and get started! When she got out of the cab I looked back and saw him trying to catch a glimpse of her bare ass (I do not blame him).

In the apartment she let me bang her everywhere, on the bed, from the back, on the table, on the couch, in her mouth, etc.

Oh, yeah, if you are that Australian guy who called Kezia about 10 pm Sunday that slurping sound was her giving me a blow job in between pretending to be interested in you. Sorry, mate!

Tonight (Monday) her black friend saw me and called me to her table. Then she pulled her dress up and showed me her pussy! think these girls have figured out my up the skirt fetish. I just hope more of them will stop wearing panties.

TJ

KnifeFish
06-28-05, 01:27
There was no "show of force" and there was ...... If there was, I doubt you'd be here today. Don't you think they can't handle themselves?

May I ask, did you ask if they accepted dollars before you entered or after you'd drank their drinks and serviced their women?

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:46
Unfortunately I didn’t have much success with regular girls. Between Help and the thermas I didn’t really have much time to devote to this, but I’m not sure how much better I would have done if I had been able to devote more time to this.

I met two guys in Help on separate occasions who were both frequent travelers to Rio who gave me completely different assessments of this situation. One was the one night boyfriend of Maria’s friend who comes for a month at a time. He told me that it is easy to meet girls. He said he goes to discos or to shopping centers. If there is so much sex available for free I wondered what he was doing in Help paying 300 for a single night and I asked him. He said that he gets tired of them calling you up all the time, checking on you, and getting jealous. In fact, he said that earlier that very night his real girlfriend had found out that he was in Help (from her friend who works there) and had shown up and made a scene. He said at Help he’s not paying them to stay, he’s paying them to leave. The other one I spoke with was the long-time boyfriend of the girl I talked to on my last night. He said that it isn’t really any easier to meet girls in Rio than in America or Europe. He says his Brazilian friends tell him the same thing.

I checked out a couple of shopping centers in Ipanema and Rio Sul. There were not wall to wall babes in any of these places. There were a couple of attractive girls walking around, but it wasn’t at all clear how one would go about meeting them. I could have asked directions, I suppose, but “bumping into” them would have been tricky without looking obvious. There were some hot shopkeepers, but I felt a little awkward about hitting on them. Most of them were in stores selling things that I didn’t want, so it would have been hard to walk in and act interested in something they were selling. Of course it’s possible that I would have been motivated to try harder f I wasn’t rushing to quickly check out the possibility of meeting someone and still leave time get to a therma before it got too late so I could do a couple of threesomes and still make it to Help at a reasonable hour.

Discos seemed like a better place to try. A couple of cab drivers told me about a place in Ipanema called Bomba, so I showed up there at 11:30 one night. There were a couple of lines when I arrived and some people had some sort of ticket or invitation. I went to the front to ask questions about which line I should wait in and what did I need to buy and I was ushered in like a vip. So far so good.

Inside was a small room with tables and a restaurant. There were stairs, but some staff were standing there and not allowing anyone to go up before midnight. I was a little puzzled. I talked to a guy I had heard speaking English in line. He turned out to be an American who was there with a bunch of his friends. I asked him what was up with this supposed disco. I said “you didn’t come here to sit at a bunch of tables and get food or drinks, did you?” He said “we came here to get some pu-u-u-ussy!” Well, I was relieved that this wasn’t just a restaurant, but unless all of Rio was one big *****house I wasn’t sure the presence of these guys was going to help my chances.

At midnight they let us up. The room was small; maybe a 10 or 15 meter square. There was immediately a feeding frenzy at the bar, so I wandered around to see who was there and waited for people to start dancing. The selection of women was just so-so. When people started dancing I looked next to me and a really sexy blonde was looking at me and smiling. This seemed good, except that she ... well ... didn’t look like the girl next door. She had huge boobs that were exploding out of her shirt. Now some of you might be wondering what the problem was. Well, she might be a fun one night stand, but I couldn’t imagine her being someone I would be interested in for a week or longer.

So I went to one of the nice girls who was dancing with her girlfriends and motioned for her to dance with me. She looked a little freaked out and shook her head. Not good. OK, I got turned down my first couple of times in Russia too, so this didn’t mean much. It occurred to me that I never said anything to her, so she didn’t know for sure that I was one of the movie star, sexually irresistible foreigners. So I asked the other one to dance. I went up to her and smiled and didn’t even get all the way through “would you like to dance” (in Portuguese) before she looked away like I was bothering her. Well, maybe it wasn’t going to be that easy after all.

I looked around and the English speaking guy I met in the restaurant was dancing suggestively with the blonde bombshell. Maybe I had made a mistake by not talking to her. Or maybe there was just something wrong with my approach. She also had a friend who was dancing with his friend. This was exasperating. I wondered if a better approach would be to just start talking to a girl. Instead of asking her to dance, but the music was earsplitting and my Portuguese wasn’t that great. I’m sure I could come up with an opening line, but I wasn’t going to be able to understand anything she said. If my chances of success depended on starting up some clever banter I was roadkill. Besides, as I looked around I couldn’t really see anyone else I would be interested in who wasn’t with a boyfriend.

I did notice a couple of things that made me feel a little better. First, I caught the second girl I had asked to dance looking at me a couple of times (and the first girl had left). I thought of trying again, but she had been kind of rude the first time and anyway wasn’t so hot that she was worth teeing myself up for another putdown. Second, (forgive me if this is selfish) I saw that the blonde girl and her friend were now hanging out with someone else, so the Americans had gotten a little titillation, but hadn’t done any better than me in the end.

Epilogue: The next night when I went to Help the busty blonde girl, her friend, and the guy she was hanging out with at the end were all there.

I was optimistic that I could have some success if I went back to another disco, but in the end I got sidetracked by Help and the thermas. I didn’t have all that much time, and even a successful night in a disco might require an extra day or two or even more before things really got interesting.

One night I decided to go to Nuth, but it was close to midnight and the cabbie told me that it was a 45 minute drive to Barrio de Tijuca. That meant spending 40-60 reals maybe on the taxi each way and arriving close to 1. The club is supposed to be expensive too, I was looking at getting back to my hotel at 4 or 5, having spent between 100 and 200 reals, and with no guarantees of any success. I wasn’t even 100 percent sure I would get in. I remembered Y&R’s story about the unsettling cab ride when he went there, and I had read that Barrio de Tijuca was for the nouveau riche from the new suburbs anyway. Now that I am back home I kind of wish I had gone just to see it even if nothing happened, but that is easy to say now when it does not mean missing a precious night at Help or day in a therma.

If I ever go back for longer I might try harder to meet someone outside of Help or the thermas. But I’m worried that by that time there will have been so many boneheaded foreigners visiting the country, thinking that every girl is waiting to jump into their arms, that the girls will start avoiding foreigners. Of course the most boneheaded ones will leave the strongest impression.

Sorry I couldn’t come up with a more uplifting account of meeting lots of regular women like Y&R did, but maybe my experience makes some of you who didn’t do any better than me feel better. I’m no Tom Cruise, but I’m in shape, look fine, and can usually do alright even in America or Europe.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:47
Having a girl stay all night is nice if it is the right girl, but I wasn’t crazy about any of the three girls I left with. The prices are high and good service is far from guaranteed. On the other hand it is fun that you are on your own, maybe in your hotel room, and there is no time limit. You can find a girlfriend for a week or more if you are lucky. If you are staying in a hotel that is guest friendly the cost is less of a concern, but is still an issue.

It is a problem that everything happens so late. Everyone arrives around midnight. Most people don’t leave before 2 AM so you are not going to get to sleep before maybe 4 and you may not sleep well. The whole next day can easily be trashed.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:48
You always meet the best ones on the last night.

Well, I can’t really say she was the best because I didn’t even take her out. After my visit to Solarium that afternoon I was drained completely dry. I figured it would be about 6 months before I would be able to get it up again. Plus I had some shopping to do the next day before leaving, so I didn’t want to get back from an encounter at 10 AM again.

So when I got out of Solarium at around 11 I went to Help just to look. I had never gotten there before midnight and wanted to get there early this time to see people arriving. There was a crowd and it felt like a big event was about to take place. It’s something to see once.

Inside I spent some time just wandering around. A few girls approached me and seemed bothered that I was looking for so long and not picking them. One girl came up to me and started the what’s-your-name-where-are-you-from-how-long-are-you-staying ... and when I cut it short (not rudely, I thought) she told me I was stupid and ugly and stormed off. Another girl came up to me and told me that she noticed that I had been staring at her friend when her friend was with another guy, but that now her friend was no longer with that guy, so here is the phone number of her friend and I should call her now. When I hesitated she took me over to see her friend and it was someone who I didn’t recognize and probably wouldn’t have been looking at. Nice try though.

Then I spoke to a beautiful girl who gave me a look I couldn’t refuse. She was young and beautiful (maybe a little too young at 18, but I would have been willing to overlook one fault). She was studying journalism. We danced a bit and I started to like her. When she went to the bathroom and returned I told her that I didn’t want to do something wrong; that I wasn’t going to take anyone out and didn’t want to spoil her chance to meet someone who would. She didn’t care. She danced the whole night with me until we all left with her friend and the guy her friend had been dancing with who was taking her out. She gave me her number and I’ll call her the next time I’m in town. Maybe I should have taken her out, but it would have killed me to stay up all night. I had to shop, pack, fly home, etc ... the next day, plus I wasn’t sure the sex would have been so hot since I was so drained and I would have felt bad if I had performed poorly with such a nice girl.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:50
Victoria, 24, looks 8

I arrived just after 12 and got to work screening candidates. This time I wanted to find someone who had another job/occupation; someone interesting, and someone who looked nice, not someone who would be good for just one encounter and then on to the next. I wanted a girlfriend for a few days. I wanted someone to come to the airport with me and cry when I left.

I talked to a few girls who either weren’t interesting, didn’t have a great attitude, were too young, wanted to talk about their kids, etc.. Victoria was dancing by herself just off of the dance floor. She was nice looking, was a law student, and seemed interesting. She was relaxed and affectionate. She lived several hours away from Rio and therefore had to come a long way whenever she visited Help. I guessed that she would be staying in Rio at least for the night even if she didn’t leave with anyone, and possibly for the weekend.

I liked how when I asked her do you want to go with me there was no business discussion at all. She said sure and we left. I told her that my hotel doesn’t allow guests and did she know of a motel nearby in Copacabana. She did. How much? 150. For how long? All night. OK. We go to the motel. I walk up to the reception. How much? 150. How long? All night; as long as you want it for. OK.

We went upstairs and the room was fine, only there was no blanket or even a top sheet on the bed. Isn’t there some cover? How are we supposed to sleep? Ah, there’s a sheet here in a plastic bag on the table. OK. There were nice furnishings including a huge mirror over the bed. We showered.

I started a conversation with her and I’m not sure how we got onto this subject, but she started talking about the corruption in Rio and in Brazil. Everywhere you have to pay. The taxes are outrageous. They even have a litter tax. A litter tax! Can you imagine! And what do they spend it on? Surely it all goes into the pockets of corrupt politicians. And what do you get for your taxes? The services are all worthless. Look at the roads; look at the busses. Now if you’re influential, yes, you get services, but the ordinary people? Forget it. This went on and on. I was thinking if I could just make it through this rant she would fall in love with me for being such a good listener.

There was a pause and we looked at each other. She asked “do you know the prices?” Uh oh. We were going to talk business after all, and not at the best time. I said no. “You don’t know the prices?” Well, what should I say? If I know the prices then I have to make the first offer, but if I don’t I am an unschooled tourist who will get eaten alive. Better to say I do. “So you know the price?” Yes. What is the price? No one pays more than 250. 250? Yes, I talk to people and I see what people write on the Internet. You know that there are girls who ask 400 or 500, don’t you? Well, they may ask it, but they don’t get it. Well I ask 300. Now you tell me this? ... you wait until I pay for the hotel and then you tell me you want 300? Well, we didn’t discuss the price; you didn’t tell me how much you wanted to pay. You didn’t bring it up either. (pause) “Well, don’t worry; 250 is ok.” OK, a crisis was averted, but the discussion of money was somewhat unpleasant, and I had the feeling that we just played hardball with her trying to fleece me after I had already dropped money on the hotel and me hinting that I would walk out if she didn’t come down.

The sex was ok. Again the bj started before there was any kissing, though kissing wasn’t much of a problem once we got started. She was small inside, so I couldn’t fit all the way in, which was a little unsatisfying. She even mentioned it. Hopefully the sex would be better the next night.

OK, let’s spread out that top sheet. Here it is. She asked “are you going to sleep now?” Well, yes, we can at least get under the cover, I said, and thought to myself that I was a little worn out from a day at Solarium, but I liked the suggestion that we might be doing it all night or at least one more time before going to bed, and I was certainly looking forward to a nice wake up session in the morning. So I spread the top sheet over the bed,. looked at her, and asked “what are you doing?” ...

“Getting dressed.”

WTF?! ...

“and why are you getting dressed?”

“I’m going home.”

You’re going home? Yes. How many times did I ask if the hotel was for all night? I told you I wanted an all-night hotel. I asked you about sleeping here ... Well I thought you just wanted a place to sleep. Why would I want a place to sleep by myself? I’ve already got that; I have a hotel. Well I can’t stay, I told bleh bleh bleh that I would bleh bleh bleh [some generic-sounding commitment she made to a friend or family member] ...

I was about to say “I’m not paying 250 for one pop” but I held back. It was true, but before I said it I wanted to think about what I was going to pay. What was I going to pay? My first thought was 200. That’s what I had given to Daniella and she had seemed happy. Maybe it was more than enough. Daniella hadn’t snooker me into paying 150 for an overnight room that I didn’t need, and she hadn’t run out on me (well, she hadn’t had the chance to). Priscilla and Melissa had treated me to the wildest orgy imaginable and each got only 120. Why should this twerp get more? I knew the prices at Help were higher, and I understood that when I went there, but Help girls are supposed to stay all night. 250 is for all night and at least 2 rounds. That could be 100 for each round plus 50 for sleeping together between rounds. OK she danced with me for a long time. And maybe she would normally get more than 250 for all night; I hadn’t yet verified that a hot girl would go all night for 250. 150 seemed like enough. Maybe I could offer less, but I knew 150 was going to be the subject of some discussion already. There is no way I would have agreed to 150 for one round plus 150 for the hotel, so I was still getting screwed, and my night was ruined because it was too late to go back now.

It seemed like it might be a good tactical decision to get dressed before addressing the remuneration so I did. Once we were both and ready to leave, with some tension already in the air, I said “I’m not paying 250 for that.” (pause while we look at each other). “I’ll give you 150.”

She went ballistic. We agreed on 250. No that was for all night. I never said it was for all night. I asked you if the hotel was for all night and you stood there while I paid and asked if we could stay for all night. I thought you wanted a place to sleep. Why on earth would I want a second place to sleep? I held out 150 and she didn’t take it. Do you want it? You owe me 250. This is what you get, do you want it or not? Are you going to make me call someone?

She went to the phone and picked it up. Seemed like it must be a bluff, but I didn’t want to stay in the room waiting to see if her goon would arrive.

“No, we need to discuss this downstairs with the hotel manager.” I went out the door and started downstairs, heading for the front desk. She said “I’m calling”. Was she calling downstairs? Would it look like I was trying to run out on her? I thought there was a good chance that the people in the hotel would not automatically take her side and that there was a small chance that it would help if I told my side first. I got to the reception and I saw the nice thin older man who checked me in. I also saw, which I had failed to notice the first time, the 125 kilo security guard and his equally large friends. Note to self: potentially delicate situation.

I told the manager that there is a problem, that she will not accept my money. He nodded. What should I do? You should pay her. I looked around me. The guard remained engrossed in his comic book. No one got up or stirred ominously. This was good. It even occurred to me that I could probably just walk right out the door. But even though I might have had some partial justification and been able to get away with it I think that people who run out on working girls without paying are lower than bathroom attendants in sex clubs.

I went upstairs and found her on the phone (was it still a bluff?). I pressed the 150 in her hand and said “do you want it?”. I think she saw that I was serious and that this was her last chance, so she took it, but as I left quickly she was still on the phone trying to call or pretending to call her goon. I decided that a quick though not panicked exit would be advisable. I nodded at the manager as I passed by and he advised me that I was going to the bathroom and the exit was the other way. Outside I got a cab and seemed to be home free, though just to be sure I asked to be dropped off at the bank near my hotel instead of at my hotel. I needed cash for the next day anyway. On the bright side it was only 4 or 5, so I could get some sleep and still have a day in Rio. I was thinking what a mess this might have been if I had been staying in a girl friendly hotel.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:51
Daniella, 30, looks 7.

After the second night I tried to get to Help on the early side, just after 12. The previous night Maria and I probably didn’t get to the motel until after 3 and so I ended up going to bed at around 10 AM. The whole day was shot. I wanted to do a few things because I was in Rio, plus I didn’t want to go home and tell everyone that I was in Rio by myself for a week and what did I do, well, um, let me think ...

I started talking to a beautiful girl with long blonde hair. After a couple of minutes of conversation she asked me if I would buy her a beer. I looked down at her cup: half full of beer. Bad sign. Well, it was only 3 reals and I wanted one too, so I went for it. After another few minutes she said something like “ok, are we going to make love or what?” I said that I wanted to hang out for a while and talk to some different people. She asked me to buy her another drink and I told her I had just bought her one. She spun around so her back was to me.

I talked to a couple of other girls who didn’t really do it for me. None of them did anything other than work at Help. I liked talking to them, but I didn’t want to lead them on, and sometimes it could be tricky getting away from them. I made the mistake of accepting the offer of one to sit down with her which gave her the wrong impression. When I tried to get away I was afraid she was wondering what she had done wrong.

I started talking to Daniella, who was pretty. We got into kind of an interesting discussion about the other girls at Help. We laughed about one of the really beautiful girls who had left with an older fatter guy. I told her about the German forum where these guys are referred to as fireplugs and I told her that when a girl leaves with someone and I think about them going to a hotel together I usually think it is sexy, but this coupling was about to make me lose my dinner. She mentioned that when she goes with someone she wants it to be someone she likes and she often spends the day with them and goes sightseeing with them. This sounded good, so I went for it. We didn’t discuss a price or a length of time. That has often been the case in the past and I usually prefer it that way, not because I am looking for the best price or the most time, but just because it ends up being less business like and more enjoyable.

I told her that I knew of a motel, but that it was out by the Sheraton on Niermeyer Ave. where there is a cluster of motels. She said she knew of one close by in Copacabana, so we went there. But when we arrived at her place it was 150 reals and I balked at the cost. I told her I had heard of a place for 70 reals (Maria had mentioned it) and she said she knew of one. When we got there the price was 70, but it was for only 2 hours.

Well, I didn’t want to make this an expedition, plus there were some signs that maybe I didn’t want to stay much longer anyway. First, while she was cute, she wasn’t driving me crazy. Second, she had made a couple of comments about how she doesn’t like guys who go with lots of different girls. (I refrained from telling her that I had done several threesomes in thermas over the past couple of days.) She told me a bit about her kid, which might have been sweet, but wasn’t exactly a turn on. She had gotten married at 16 when some guy got her pregnant and unsurprisingly it hadn’t worked out, so she was on her own.

The sex was a little businesslike and not hugely enjoyable. She had a little bit of a bad breath problem. What was worse was her kissing. She didn’t want to kiss with her lips, she wanted to stick her tongue out and poke it around in my mouth and around my lips. Maybe some guys get off on this, but I found it a little gross. After kissing her I had to wipe my mouth with the back of my hand like when the neighbor’s dog jumps up on me and slobbers. Plus, she didn’t look like she was 30 years old with a kid, but once we got down to business I could kind of tell that her skin wasn’t quite as tight as it used to be.

After one round I got up and showered. We talked for a while as I waited for her to get up and go shower, but then I noticed to my surprise that she was already dressed. It was quick and dirty. I gave her 200 and she seemed fine with that. As we were leaving I asked her where she lived and she said Copacabana, so I gave her 10 for a taxi, which she seemed to appreciate. It was getting light out, I had gotten no sleep, and I could see that the entire next day had been demolished again.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:52
Maria, 24, looks 7

The next night I went I decided to take a girl. After wandering around for some 30 minutes I started talking to Maria, a nice 24 year old with long light brown hair and a nice chest. She could cut down on her beer consumption, though I would not call her fat by any means. She does nothing other than work in Help. She quoted me 300, and I was going to bargain, but her friend was with a guy and I started talking to him. He had been in Rio for over a month, one of many trips there, and he said that he was going to give her friend 300, so I figured I might have a problem if I gave less. He thought his girl had a great attitude, so I expected the same from mine. At some point, though, I noticed that she was kissing him a lot while Maria was not doing the same for me.

We agreed on all night and I took her to the Nosso Motel recommended by Y&R on this board. They had no 40 real rooms left, so we had to get one of the 70 real rooms, and it was the weekend, so we only got 6 hours instead of 8 for that price. Still a good deal, though the taxi out there cost some 20-30 reals, so the total cost of this whole adventure was going to be around 500 reals (girl, room, taxis, drinks and admission at Help). The room was nice; I couldn’t complain about that

We chatted some and she told me about how she was going to America to live with her boyfriend. He gave her money so she wouldn’t have to work in Help and she felt bad about working there anyway and not telling him. She told me that she thought what she was doing was bad and dirty. I said I didn’t think so and she said ok, we disagreed about that. I like it when the girls open up to me, but this guilt trip was a bit of a downer. As soon as we started getting down to business we got into an argument about whether or not to leave the light on. She wanted total darkness and I said that we should at least leave the TV on (with no sound). No, that was too much light, and she said I was being some word that I didn’t understand which didn’t seem to be an insult but probably meant difficult or selfish. In the end we left the TV on. Was this Rio?

The sex was fine, but not as willing or friendly as a 120 real (for the girl) session in a therma. She kissed a little reluctantly. There was a bit of traffic noise from the street and I didn’t sleep well for the 3 or 4 hours when we tried. In the morning she told me that she knew that I hadn’t slept much. I rolled over a couple of times to check my watch. I kind of wanted to leave before 6 hours was up to avoid the extra cost and to go back to my hotel and get a real sleep. After about 5 ½ hours I tried to get her interested in another round. She went along with it, but I was definitely pushing her. She made some grunting sounds to indicate that she was uncomfortable. This was not hot sex. This was married for 20 years sex. I took her in a taxi, got out at my hotel, and gave her the fare plus another 10 to get her to her place at Copacabana. I thought it was a little pathetic when she gave me her number; she thought I couldn’t do better than this? I tried to be friendly about it though.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:54
Overall Help was disappointing. Part of the problem was that my hotel was quite explicitly not girl friendly. The reason I didn’t move is that it was a perfectly good room for 90 reals, a great bargain. For that price I could pay for a motel for my Help girls and still come out ahead, plus I wouldn’t have to worry about my stuff. Well, OK, but that still meant that when I negotiated a price with any Help girls I had to ask myself whether it was worth the cost of the girl plus the hotel, which dampened my enthusiasm. Also the girls were asking high prices and the attitude was not great. For example none of the three girls I took kissed me before starting the bj. Maybe I just had bad luck.

The selection was always fine. There were lots of good looking girls and even a small number of conspicuous beauties. I asked one of the beauties for a quote and when I was told 400 I backed off without even making a counteroffer. If I had just wanted a hot girl for great sex I would have bargained, but I could get that in a therma. I was looking for someone who might like me and want to spend several days with me, and would be someone I would want to spend time with as well. I wasn’t really interested in a girl who does nothing but work at Help and might have nothing to say, or a 18 year old hottie who would have no interest in me. A few years ago I met a girl who I really liked and I was hoping I could get lucky again. Well, I don’t know how much luck I would have needed, but I didn’t find what I was looking for.

First night at Help: nothing

The first night I went there I didn’t see anything I liked that much so I just browsed. Plus, I hadn’t yet checked out other hotels (and found how expensive they were), so I was thinking that I would move to a girl friendly hotel the next night and taking a girl would be easier anyway.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:55
Day 7: Centaurus

I visited here only once and had two great threeway sessions.

Luciana, 22, looks 9, long straight silky dark brown hair, thin fake tits
and Carolina, 23, looks 10, long wavy jet black hair, thin

I saw the two of them go with another guy. They all three kissed in the main room and they seemed to get along well, so I waited for them. It was a little difficult fending off the other girls. One girl in particular who was not even bad looking was a real pest and ruined her chances of getting picked by me.

In the room everything was spectacular, except that they wouldn’t do bbbj. They would both go down and lick the shaft, but before the tip went into their mouths it had to be covered. Again, I couldn’t believe I was in Rio, much less the premier therma. Everything else - kissing, lesbian - was superb.

Mona Lisa, 18, looks 9, medium length black hair, nice chest
and Sophia, 18, looks 7, medium length sandy blonde

Mona Lisa had tried to talk to me before I went with Luciana and Carolina (as had about ½ of the girls) and I had blown her off a little, so she was a bit surprised when I picked her. She picked Sophia, which was a great choice. Nothing like having two 18 year old hotties going wild on you and each other to make your day. Great kissing between them, double bj, and lesbian. They rushed a bit at the end, but it was closing time, so they might not do this normally, and they had spent a long time with me while we waited for the room to be available. Highly recommended.

Day 8: Solarium

I can’t believe I had any sperm left. I was exhausted, but I stopped by just for one last visit with Priscilla and Melissa. It was as good as all the others. I was sorry to say goodbye to them.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:56
Day 5: Solarium

Today I arrived early to beat the crowd and the traffic. When I arrived none of the girls I had seen so far were there, which was a bit of a blessing since I was eager to try some others and didn’t want to make anyone I had already seen feel bad by not picking them.

Brenda, 24, looks 8, long wavy black hair
Joanna, 26, looks 7, shoulder length dark blonde hair, fake tits

I had noticed Brenda on earlier visits and was interested in her. I also saw several possibilities for a third partner, so I invited her to sit with me. She pointed out Joanna, who didn’t look bad, so I agreed. They were well matched in size and shape, so this looked good.

In the room I was a little disappointed, though mainly because the standard had been set so high on my earlier visits. They kissed each other, ate each other out, and generally did everything I wanted, but there was a little reluctance to do everything. They would kiss each other a few times and then stop. If this had been my first threesome in Rio I would have been out of my mind with excitement, but now I was spoiled.

Lais, 23, looks 9, long soft blonde hair, fit sleek body
Katya, 23, looks 9, wavy blonde hair, beautiful cat-like face, looks a bit Russian but is a carioca

I approached Lais and she picked Katya. I was excited because they were both so beautiful. Again it was a bit of a disappointment. There was even a bit more reluctance than with Brenda and Joanna. At one point I had Lais on her back with Katya eating her out and I was doing Katya doggie style. But Katya kept stopping. When I asked her to lick Lais she said that I wasn’t f---ing her right and tried to change the subject and get into a discussion about how I wasn’t f---ing her right. Maybe they just weren’t a good match. Lais was great sitting with me in the main room before Katya came over.

Day 6: Solarium

This is the day I tried to arrive at around 6 when all the girls arrive and got stuck in a horrible traffic jam. When I arrived I was jumped by Priscilla and Melissa who spent a long time with me in the main room and then gave their usual fabulous performance in the private room.

Angela
and Patricia, 21, looks 9, long straight soft black hair, slinky

The day before Patricia had caught my eye after I was already tired out and I asked her if she was interested in a threesome with Angela. She was, so I said I would look for her the next day. Well, when I showed up Angela was there and she said she was still interested, only Patricia was occupied with another guy. I told Angela that I would like to wait for her. Well, Patricia took forever, talking to this guy and then spending at least an hour in the room with him. Poor Angela waited with me for almost the entire time. She tried to get me interested in someone else, but there really wasn’t anyone else I was interested in. Argh, the difficulty of arranging threesomes.

When Patricia was finally available I was not disappointed. The kissing between them and the double bj were incredible. It didn’t hurt either that they were both young and gorgeous. When we were finally done I had to hurry to get to Help at a reasonable hour.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:57
When I arrived back at Solarium the guy at the front desk asked me if I remembered the prices. I said I don’t care what the prices are, just let me in.

I started this visit with another session with Priscilla and Melissa. It was more of the same. Some of the positions included spooning Priscilla while she made out with Melissa in front of her; being inside Melissa lying on her back while kissing Priscilla who was sitting on Melissa’s face; and one girl sitting on top of me while she made out with the other. I gave them another 50 each, but this time told them that unfortunately I couldn’t keep handing out 50s after each session.

Now I decided to investigate some other options.

Angela, 20, looks 9, short straight black hair, thin and small, and
Maya 28, looks 7, shoulder length silky blonde hair, thin.

I had had my eye on Angela. She was young and beautiful. One of the girls I thought of matching her up with was Maya, so when Maya came over to me I talked with her and explored the possibility. Maya told me that Angela had just started working there and she didn’t know what Angela liked to do. So we invited Angela over for a chat. It seemed that this was Angela’s first day at Solarium, she had never worked before, and I was her first customer (my second working virgin; the first was years ago). She said she was happy to go with another girl and even seemed a little excited about it.

We eventually made our way to the room and the action started. It was pretty similar to being with Priscilla and Melissa. I was especially pleased by their long deep kisses together. When the session ended I felt a little guilty because after tipping Priscilla and Melissa 50 each I didn’t want to drop another 100 on tips, but I couldn’t really say that this performance wasn’t equal in heat and charm. I wondered if this wasn’t simply the standard here and that to be fair to all the girls I was going to have to spend a lot in tips or stop now. I decided to wait and see what happened with other girls and I could tip them later.

Clara (Elisa), 28, looks 8, medium blonde hair, a little crazy

It was now late but I wanted to squeeze in one last session. I said hello to Clara, the girl who earlier declined to do a double with Claudia. She said that she noticed that I liked to go with 2 girls and wanted to clarify to me that she loves to do threeways, but just not with Claudia. (2 lessons reconfirmed: make sure the girls are compatible, and almost all Rio girls are into other girls.)

She sat with me and we started to “talk” (not much talking, actually). We probably spent ½ hour together. She told me about her boyfriend in America. She was taking English lessons and wanted to practice her English with me because she was going to meet him and live with him. During most of the time we sat together she insisted I keep my hand on her crotch, rubbing it, and she reciprocated. She spent a lot of time climbing over me and kissing me.

In the room I found her a little too wild. She started out on top of me and began hammering away crazily. I remembered an article I had seen recently about a girl who did this to a guy somewhere in America or Europe and when she slammed down hard she missed and permanently bent him. He tried to sue her, unsuccessfully. I’m not saying it was bad, but I tried to calm her down a bit. Some guys might get into this. It went fine and all, but I thought afterwards that I didn’t really want to do her again. I felt a little badly because she was hot and had put a 110 percent effort into it with a great attitude and all the kissing and personal talk in the main room. I wonder if she later asked herself “what else do I have to do?”

Catalyst
06-28-05, 02:59
Only 2 thermas are open on Sunday, and I wasn’t happy with one of them. The other one, Solarium, according to reports here, was supposed to be even a little less good, but I thought I might as well investigate. I could always check out Help later.

Raphaela, 21, looks 9, short thin with short black hair, and
Claudia, 26?, looks 7, wavy brown hair.

Claudia and Carla, a pretty blonde, were talking together by the bar. They both looked good and they seemed to get along. This seemed like a good opportunity to suggest a threesome. I approached them and put my arms around them both. We all kissed and both said they like to do threeways. We chatted for a couple of minutes, when Carla abruptly said something into Claudia’s ear and walked away. Claudia explained that Carla said that actually she doesn’t like to do threeways. Too bad since they were both hot and went well together. Claudia and I started looking for another girl and we decided on Raphaela, a gorgeous slim brunette, though a bit of an odd match for the bigger Claudia.

The session was better than either one at 4x4. Once again great kissing between the girls, good lesbian action, lots of positions, even some acrobatic ones. There was a positive trend here. Little did I know what was in store...

Jackpot!
Priscilla, 27, looks 9, long fluffy light brown hair, slender figure, and
Melissa, 23, looks 9, curvy busty golden blonde bombshell

I was on a roll and was eager to see who else I could pair up. I made eye contact with Priscilla, who came and sat with me and eventually told me that she liked threesomes and especially liked to go with her friend, Melissa. One look at Melissa and I was easily convinced, though an extended make out session in the main room helped reassure me that I had not made a mistake. Good call. By the time we finally made it to the room I had pretty much gotten my money’s worth already, but in the room it would only get better.

I picked most of the positions, but I never really had to ask for anything. I don’t know how they figured this out, but somehow they just had a sixth sense that told them that I wanted them to both go down on me at the same time, rubbing their tongues together and all over my shaft. When I got them to kiss each other they got more and more passionate and I realized that they were genuinely getting into it. There were moments when I just moved away and watched them together. They seemed to get into it a little more when they only had to focus on each other.

I did threesomes with them four times here. After the first two times I even gave them each a 50 real tip because I was so blown away. The next time I came back to the club they both jumped me and we spent about ½ hour doing heavy petting in the main room before going upstairs together. Afterwards they were constantly coming over and kissing me and dancing with me.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 03:00
Well, I’ve already described the general atmosphere and the selection at L'Uomo, which I didn’t like. There was one thin girl that I was interested in. I considered trying to get her into a threeway with a blonde girl who wasn’t exactly thin (a Mona Lisa with a mustache, but only a small mustache), but the blonde girl disappeared for a long time and when the thin girl came over to me to do a sales pitch I decided it was easier to just give in than to try to delay.

Julia, 19, looks 8, long curly dark brown hair, thin and fit.

She sat with me for a long time, kissing, before asking if I wanted to go to the room, which was nice. There turned out to be a wait and she said she wanted to go get something to eat while we waited (which wasn’t great since the girls are required to eat in a separate room) but it was hard to complain since she had spent so much time with me already.

The sex was fine and afterwards I asked her if she would like a drink. I wasn’t too happy when she stuck out her hand and said “I’d much rather have 50 reals!” That did it for me and I left, but first I had to go to the bathroom. What I saw there ensured I would never return; a pathetic sight that always causes me to recoil in revulsion and pity; a symbol of a broken life; of all opportunity exhausted, all respect lost, all hope abandoned: a men’s room attendant.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 03:01
Unfortunately the first session of my trip here at 4x4 was probably the least interesting. Picking two girls was frustrating here mainly because I had a lot of bad luck. Just as I had paired up two girls one of them would be taken by someone else. Two times it was a matter of seconds; I was just about to approach the first girl when someone else got to her first. I finally got together with:

Angelika, 18, looks 8, tall curvy blonde, and
Tina, 30, looks 7, short brunette.

They were a bit of a mismatched pair, but they were both attractive. I was surprised when I learned that Tina was 30. I don’t remember much at all about the session. I can barely picture the girls. I don’t remember the positions we did. I do remember long showers eating up a lot of the time, and having to nag a bit to keep them focused on me and on each other. They wanted a lot of the action to be one at a time. They pretty much did everything I asked, but always for just a couple of moments and then they would stop. If I wanted them to kiss each other I had to ask, and they would give each other a couple of kisses and then look at me like they were awaiting further instructions. I remember thinking when it was over that we all seemed to understand that there was unlikely to be a repeat session. I also had a vague feeling that I had made them do something that made them uncomfortable.

There is also one horrible memory that is forever etched in my mind from this session. Tina was ready to go down on me when she got out a condom. I said you’re not going to put it on now are you?, and she said no bj without it. Was I in Rio? Had I gotten on the wrong plane and gone to Amsterdam? Had things changed that much since my last visit? No, only covered bjs were provided by this pair. Fortunately this turned out not to be the norm, but a couple of other girls required this on my trip. Rio has changed.

I recalled that I had been frustrated at the pairs that had slipped through my fingers earlier that evening and decided that I had nabbed these girls a little quickly. I might not have vetted them adequately to see if they were happy doing a session with one another. I had more work to do, so I moved on, but I made a note to myself to make sure the girls I picked were compatible from now on.

I was much happier with my next selection. I picked out:

Lucimilla, 19, looks 8, tall and slim with curvy black hair, and
Victoria, 27, looks 7, short, fuller figure, soft fluffy black hair

I sat next to Lucimilla after picking out her and a gorgeous girl wearing a t shirt that read “Supergirl” on the front. I chatted with Lucimilla and then asked her if she liked to do threeways. She did. Did she have a friend in particular? Yes. Her friend was sitting right there. I saw the black hair and the Supergirl shirt and couldn’t have been happier. Only once we began talking and I had pretty much agreed on everything did I realize that Victoria was not the girl I had picked out. I had mistaken her because she had the same hair and had apparently by strange chance traded shirts with the other girl. The first girl was a little hotter, but Victoria looked great too, and I was more focused on getting good attitude this time instead of good looks.

This session was much better. There was good kissing between the girls and with me and good lesbian action. The bj was uncovered, though there was lots of distracting wiping and sanitizing of my unit with sanitary cloths. Victoria had a huge smile on her face when Lucimilla was going down on her and she later said that she loves it when anyone, man or woman, goes down on her. I was a little put off when it ended and they both told me that they were going to leave early that night and would I leave with them and take them to Porcao. I declined, telling them that I had already eaten at a churrascaria for lunch (true). Afterwards Victoria sat with me for a long time just talking, which was nice. Lucimilla came by a couple of times and seemed to encourage it and I wondered if I was being set up for a relationship outside the therma. Victoria said she has a friend who worked in a therma and is now married to a customer.

Shaline, 22, looks 8, long curly dark blonde hair, short, busty

When I left Victoria it was getting close to closing time. I wasn’t done yet, but many of the girls were matched up and were in no hurry since they realized that this would be their last partner of the evening. Shaline was talking to a guy, but when she looked at me I made a shoveling motion to indicate that I wanted her to get rid of him. To my surprise she left him and came over.

We went straight to the room and it was not spectacular. Covered bj again. Minimal kissing. I wondered if I was going to come back here again. In the end I didn’t.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 03:09
I was a little sad to find that prices have risen since my last visit several years ago, but the increase has been moderate. I visited 4 thermas; 4x4, L’Uomo, Solarium, and Centaurus. Overall these places are still a great deal and the service is great.

Centaurus clearly has the best selection of girls, though Solarium was not far behind. Besides being a little more attractive and more numerous I found the girls in Centaurus to be more interesting than the girls in the other thermas. The ones I spoke with in Centaurus were all working to pay their university bills and were learning professions. None of the girls at any of the other thermas said they did anything besides have sex and hang out at home, sometimes taking care of their kids. I don’t mean to pass any judgment on them or suggest that they are lazy or lack initiative. I imagine many of them are poorer and have more constraints in their lives than the Centaurus girls do. But I felt more of a connection with the Centaurus girls. It was interesting to talk to them about Rio, Brazil, sex in different countries, etc ... It was a little hard to have a conversation with the other girls about anything other than how much fun love and sex are. One of the girls at Centaurus spoke a little dismissively of Solarium. She said that she has a friend who works there who says that all of the Solarium girls are poor and live in favelas (though I asked two of my favorites in Solarium where they lived and they said in an apartment in Copacabana). It seemed like Centaurus had a more middle class staff and I thought I connected with them a little better.

My experience in Centaurus was a little better than I expected given the reports here. I saw two pairs of girls here. I was a little rushed in my second session at the end of the night as the club was closing, but nothing that I would go so far as to call bad attitude. I found the attitude to be much better than on my last trip several years ago, which was not a good one for this club, and almost as good as on my first ever visits when I was wild about it (but I may have been more naïve then about what I should expect from a good club). The main drawback of Centaurus is that it is about 1/3 more expensive than the other thermas. Also the girls aren’t quite as attentive to you before and after the sessions, except that when the rooms are full you might get to sit for a very long time with one or two hotties, talking kissing, and rubbing. If you are a multimillionaire you probably want to spend most of your time here, though even a multimillionaire should try the other thermas and enjoy the extra personal attention that you get. Also the rooms are a little better in Centaurus. You get a decent sized bed with a little space around it, a sink, and some plants in the room. You feel a little less like you are in a sex factory.

Solarium was the winner this trip. I went there on 5 of my 8 days and had many mind-blowing doubles sessions. The selection of girls was much better than in 4x4 or L’Uomo and the attitude was the best I have seen anywhere. In a couple of sessions I thought that it might be fun to have a crowbar just to see if it would even be possible pry the girls apart from one another. There were maybe only half as many girls as in Centaurs, but the ratio of beautiful ones was about the same. Some of the pre-sessions sitting with the girls before going to the room were almost as good as the sessions themselves. I met a guy in Help who was in Rio for one of his periodic month long visits and he agreed with me about Solarium. He told me to forget Centaurus. When I returned home I met someone who had just been to Rio who also told me to go to Solarium.

4x4 seemed ok when I visited it on my first day, but I forgot about it once I visited Solarium. I’ve been to Rio several times before and never visited 4x4. Having heard good reports about it plus the fact that it is reportedly one of the less expensive clubs put it at the top of my list on the first day, but I was a little disappointed. I was particularly annoyed by their policy of charging you twice for the room if you take two girls at once. Also they said that the small rooms, which are the only ones available for 40 minutes, are too small for 3 people, so if you take 2 girls you are obliged to get a deluxe room (smaller than a suite) and pay for 60 minutes. These restrictions make this club particularly unattractive for doing threeways. The 60 minute sessions are not priced out of line with the 40 minute sessions at other clubs, so this seems like a good deal since you are getting 50 percent more time, but in the room is a shower which everyone uses at the start and the end of the session while the clock is ticking, so you have to deduct the time it takes for 6 showers from your hour and I think that leaves you with about 40 minutes anyway. I found the layout of the club with many rooms (3 locker rooms, 2 boites, many bathrooms) separated by long tunnels and many stairwells to be annoying and confusing. Finally the attitude wasn’t bad there, but it wasn’t great either.

I was especially disappointed with L’Uomo, mainly because of the selection of girls. There were more Mona Lisa’s with mustaches than in any other club. (A Mona Lisa with a mustache is a girl with a beautiful face and fantastic chest but whose butt is so big it has its own zip code; a great work of art ruined!) I was also bothered by the gauntlet of sales pitches that it was necessary to suffer. Every fatty in the place took a turn trying to seduce me and not taking no for an answer. The most bothersome moment is when they ask if you want to go to a room, you say “no” or “sorry, not now” and instead of hearing “ok, why don’t you come find me if you change your mind” or “ok, I’ll see you later” you get subjected to a long smiling stare followed by the girl moving closer to you and starting to stroke your arm, leg, etc ... Hey! Did you hear what I said? Finally, when it was clear that there was no hope, they would ask me to buy them a drink. I did one girl here and left.

Transportation could be a hassle. Cab fares to the downtown from Ipanema were in the 20s of reals and took a bit of time. The downtown places fill up with girls around rush hour, so the best time to arrive is the worst time to take a taxi. Solarium was much closer, but one day when I went during rush hour there was terrible traffic and it took about 75 minutes and 45 reals to get there (and 10 minutes and 10 reals to return late at night with no traffic). Centaurus is walking distance from much of Ipanema and Copa and L’Uome and Monte Carlo are a short cab ride if not walking distance, so these places have a big transportation advantage.

Here is the pricing structure of the clubs I went to. In every club I always chose the most economical time/room option:

..................Entry.......Room.......Girl........Time
Centaurus.....90...........70...........150.......40 minutes
Solarium.......50...........50...........120.......40 minutes
L’Uomo.........40...........50*.........120.......40 minutes
4x4..............20**.......50*.........120.......60 minutes (but includes showers)

* have to pay twice if you take 2 girls at the same time.
** there was a discount if you took a girl before a certain time. Can’t remember if 20 was the discounted price (down from 40 maybe) or if the discounted price was 0.

Now for blow by blow descriptions of my experiences (ok, not quite that level of detail, but you know what I mean) ...

Catalyst
06-28-05, 03:11
I love to come to Rio because it is the best place in the world that I have found for doing two girl sessions. In all of my visits to thermas on all my trips to Rio I have only found one girl who did not like to make love to another woman. Brazileiras and Cariocas in particular just seem more relaxed about this. Furthermore, in most of the thermas there is an economic incentive to take two girls, since in many places you pay separately for the girls and for the room, so a session with two girls costs significantly less than twice as much as a session with one girl. Unlike in many other places in the world there is no additional charge for girl-girl action. (In some thermas I almost had the impression that I would have had to pay extra to keep the girls apart.) In Germany, as a contrast, not only do you have to pay the full price for each girl, but you will have to pay extra for the girl-girl action, so taking two girls who will do each other may cost four times what one girl costs. In Amsterdam it might cost 6 or 8 times more to do two girls and they will probably fake the girl-girl action.

Picking two girls can be complicated. First both girls have to be available. It is necessary to verify that they both are willing to do bisexual action, which is usually just a formality, but more importantly you need to make sure that they are willing to have sex with each other, since spending time with two very bisexual girls who don’t get along with one another might not be not be a good experience. (I can’t really imagine what it would be like to be willing to suck another guy’s dick, but I can sort of imagine how much worse my attitude about it would be if I didn’t get along with the other guy.)

I prefer the girls to be similar. I’d rather not have a tall one and a short one, or a bony one and a thick one. It’s sexier for me when the girls have the same size and shape. Sometimes putting together a good match can be maddening, but I don’t get to Rio often, so I want it to get it right when I’m here.

Once two beauties that go well together have been identified it is necessary to proceed carefully. Bringing the girls together and discussing a possible session with both at once is risky because if they are together they will be reluctant to speak up if they don’t like each other. They will probably agree to go with you and you will never know exactly why you had such a lukewarm session. It’s best to pick one of the girls and speak to her alone first.

I usually start a conversation with a girl and at some point ask if she likes to make love to other girls. I usually make a point of referring to lovemaking rather than going to the room together just to rule out a misunderstanding where she will do ménages-a-trois but without any girl-girl action. I try to avoid jumping right in with this suggestion since I like to create a relaxed atmosphere and because if the girl senses that I am rushed she is likely grab the other girl and we all head straight to the room in a scripted and business like manner. I prefer to let the plan develop over time. A nice by product is that this results in time sitting together, talking, and kissing, which is nice in itself and which also makes for a better atmosphere in the room. (Be careful not to push this too far, however, and make the girl feel like you have already gotten your money’s worth before getting to the room). It also gives her time to discuss whether she has a friend that she especially likes doing it with (many do) or to speak up about what she really thinks about your choice for the third member of the team.

All the while that this conversation is taking place I usually have a second girl in mind who I continually monitor on radar. I am always aware that at any moment a fat dude can walk up to her, buy her a drink, and a carefully laid plan may be ruined. In Centaurus this will probably not be a problem since there are likely to be several viable alternatives for a second girl, but this can get tricky in some of the smaller thermas where contingency plans are limited. In some cases I tell the girl what has just happened and explain that I would like to wait until both she and the other girl are both available (subject to verification of bisexuality, compatibility, and so on, of course). What gets more difficult to maneuver is the situation where I have a couple of matched doubles in mind; e.g. two hot short slim blondes who I want to see together and two tall busty brunettes who would go well together. If I start speaking to one of the blondes and the other one gets approached by someone else it’s hard to tell the first one that I will get back to her later when her friend is available, but in the meantime I’m going to do the brunettes. Another tricky situation is when the girl says that she loves other women, but not the one I am interested in, and there are no good alternatives. Sometimes she will quickly take the lead and call her friends over and you can be put in the embarrassing position of rejecting several of her friends. If you are at a therma with a limited selection you need to be prepared to settle for going with the one girl and then perhaps leaving.

Quick thinking is sometimes required. She might have a friend who is not as hot as your preferred choice for number three, and it is necessary to quickly assess how unhappy she will be if you take your choice instead of hers and how that balances against her friend’s lesser looks. Most of the time if I sense that she is happy with my choice but would prefer her choice I go with my choice. If I sense that she is picking her friend more because she has problems with my choice than because she simply is better friends with her choice I will go with her choice.

It is especially important to make quick decisions if she calls another girl over to talk to you. I usually try to stop her from doing this until I have taken a look first, but sometimes I’m not quick enough. If you think you want this second girl you really need to decide quickly and show some enthusiasm. If you need to think about it for a couple of minutes and you mumble and try to decide while she is sitting there trying her best to be sexy don’t expect her to be enthusiastic about you in the room afterwards. If you can’t make up your mind quickly then you should probably say no. It’s better to realize you passed something good up than to get into a session and realize that one of the girls isn’t what you wanted. You can always go back, though you will have to do a bit of explaining about why you said no the first time.

Cim was a problem in threesomes. Not one of the girls in any of my threesomes let me do it. If either girl doesn’t like it the answer from both girls is likely to be no, and even if both girls would do it in private I think many will not want to admit to their friends that they do it. I only did a few one girl sessions and a couple of the girls from these sessions let me do it, so there was a clear difference.

Catalyst
06-28-05, 03:15
Ladies and Gentlemen (or maybe just Gentlemen),

I have just returned from a satisfying week in Rio in which I had many exciting and pleasurable experiences. I hope you enjoy reading the following posts and that they help you to have as good a time as I did.

On The Go
06-28-05, 03:37
Thank you so much for your report as it is very informative, but I hope you are going to fill the photo gallery with photos of your fun and exciting trip!.

Carrib
06-28-05, 05:10
Would have loved to see some pics but ah well. Great reporting on the scene. More reasons why I avoid HELP like the plague. PMed you but I wanted to publicly thank you for your report.

I haven't used the short stay motels much--but R150 seems quite excessive. Guys please post info on nice/clean love motels. otherwise rent an apt.

Unless you don't plan on visiting Rio for a long while, I do not condone not paying a girl. After all, that is her job, but also for safety reasons as she will likely try to get someone after you and you don't want that headache. But I am for taxing her ass for poor performance or reneging on a deal, especially when you can get away with it without a hitch. Just think about it: You are in a temp motel where you didn't provide much info, simply paid for the room. She agreed for all night but decides to skip early. When you offer R150, she tries to call the "someone". Give her 2 choices, take 150 now or you will leave it downstairs with the bouncer/or manager. See how fast her ass jumps up to take the money.

Upscale apt with good security? One phone call will get a swift exit off the premises, again with payment to the security guard, then she can go downstairs and neg wih him while you go to bed.

Fartknocker
06-28-05, 06:18
Great posts Catalyst.

As far as non-pros go, I'm not really suprised at the lack of results you had. I personally think that it is easier to meet Brazilian women in bars than it is to meet American women, but scoring the first night is not really any easier IMHO. Most of the non-pro Brasileiras that I've scored with wanted to go out on at least one real date before they went off to bed with me. The ones that give it up on the same night are usually "piranhas" -- semi-pros who are looking for a free evening out and maybe a bit of shopping the next day (but they'll often take cash if you offer it).

I found that my non-pro hook ups increased enormously once I learned some Portuguese and was able to communicate that I was going to be around town for a few months. Most Brazilian girls are just like American girls in that they really would rather have a boyfriend than a one night stand. If you are going to only be in Brazil for a week it is a lot tougher to score with non-pros. (but not impossible by any means).

A non-pro garota is not going to give you much room to tomcat around after you stay with her, though. A Brasilera with a new namorado is like a 16 year old kid with a new car -- all she wants to do is drive you around town and show you off to all her friends! Personally, I love it, but then again I'm usually in Brazil long enough to make it with several girls and still spend plenty of time with each. If you are only in town for a week and just want to screw as much pussy as you can before you leave, you should just stick to the pros.

Young & Restless
06-28-05, 07:01
Catalyst, very enjoyable read on Rio. Btw, hats off to you for all of those threesomes! HELL YEAH!! I gotta admit your experiences at Help were pretty darn entertaining from this spectators point of view. The part about “This was married for 20 years sex” and you having to wipe your mouth with the back of your hand after kissing that girl was hysterical. I have also had the same thing happen to me when I've had a mediocre/BAD session with a girl from Help and she wants to give her number afterwards. It’s like… yeah ok, whatever… BYE!

I hope that I did not give the wrong impression when I wrote about hooking up with non-pros in Rio. I don’t think that meeting them is necessarily easy, but I don’t think that it is impossible either. I just like to give it a shot while I’m there, because the termas, Help or whatever your pleasure is only a few minutes away should you end up empty handed.

I also read your BsAs report on ArgentinaPrivate.com. Did you go there before or after your trip to Rio? BsAs can be a great place to go to, but I think you are better off going there first, if you are planning to split up a trip between Rio and BsAs.

Here’s my take on it… If you have been mongering in Mexico and only in Mexico, odds are you will feel like you are in heaven if you make a trip to BsAs, but… if you have been mongering in Rio and you take a trip to BsAs, you might feel like you are mongering in Mexico. Again, I think it can be a great place, but you should go there before you go to Rio.

Right now I am currently planning my first trip to Colombia and look forward to seeing how it compares to Rio as well.

Look forward to reading more reports from you. – Y & R

Exec Talent
06-28-05, 14:19
Here is how I met my girlfriend and other non-pros for what it is worth.

When I first came to Rio it was for a professional conference. I stayed at one of the better hotels that had contracted out with a limo service to provide guests transportation. Not speaking Portuguese at the time, I engaged the service of a driver/translator. He basically went with me everywhere. When I would see a girl I liked he would act as a go between. He had a nice car, professional appearance (coat/tie) and charming personality. Looking back, given the quality of the women I met, I feel it was a worthwhile investment.

BTW, my girlfriend was in a very good situation when I met her. She didn't need my money.

Kid Cisco
06-28-05, 17:36
Catalyst,

I really enjoyed reading your report, for the newbies and rookies I think it would be a good idea to make sure if or when you go back to Rio that you make sure your hotel or apartment will allow you to bring up a girls (this will save you time and $$ for paying for another room by the hour).

In this way you will be in better control in the girl will be on your truf, (I always make sure the 1st night I speak or I order Pizza's for the night crew and tip them a few reals) this way if you by mistake pick up some crazy ***** out of club help and she start going nuts on you the front desk crew will have your back if the girl goes nuts and call the police etc.

Also, Just to make sure the girl you pick don't try to to run a game on you years ago when I 1st went to Rio I would have the girl write down the amount of $$ and time we agreed on (this way if she tells you 200 reals and then after you spent time with her (2-3 hours) she then say you and her agreed on $200.00 USA DOLLARS) I seen this happen all to many times.

I seen guys get con into paying girls $200.00 to $300.00 when girls 1st say it would cost them 200 reals, then she gets MAD and get her cellphone and call her police "boyfriend" and him in his buddies make a part time job out of taking $$$ off of scared gringos when their girlfriends call them (just think about it 3 or 4 times a week this add up $800.00 a week).

But, all and all you seem to have had a great time nice report.

Kid Cisco

Bubba Boy
06-28-05, 19:27
I have the same luck as you with Help girls, you have to go through 5 pains in the ass to meet one good one. Termas girls are always good. Also agree L'uomo is not the best selection right now, I guess these things move in waves.

Btw, "Terma" is spelt without the "h". Not a critcism, just that I often see it get spelt this way.

Brazilman
06-29-05, 00:36
Question to the board. People on here talk about the girls that try to pretend that they said 200 us instead of 200r. Since i have always stayed at a hotel, i never had this happen because the front desk knows that they are lying and will actually keep their ID until things are settled in my favor. Next month i will be using an apartment for the first time. Can i expect this sort of thing to start happening once i use a apt. I dont have a "front desk" backing me up. Any advice on what i should do if it does happen at my apartment. I sure the hell aint paying 200us instead of 200r.

Catalyst
06-29-05, 07:01
Glad you all liked it. I'm pleased that many of you clearly read all of it; when I was making the first posts (e.g. the ones at the bottom) I was wondering how many readers would make it that far.

It is an honor to get kudos from Y&R, who was an inspiration for me on this trip and the best source of updated info. Y&R, I've seen debates about which is better, BA or Rio, and now that I have been to both I don't understand how anyone can think that BA should even be mentioned in the same sentence. So why does Argentina have a whole other site to itself?

Also I ate at Marius twice on your recommendation. I thought the seafood side was great, though it was expensive. I think it was nearly 100 fixed price just for the food; drinks and dessert were extra. I also went to the meat side, which is the best churrascaria I ate at, but several times more expensive than Porcao or Carratao (sp?) (on V. de Piraja in Ipanema) and only a little better. But I don't get to Rio that often and even expensive is cheap, so I was happy with the recommendations.

Seeing that many of you have had the same experience as me with regular girls and Help girls makes me feel a little better about not doing as well as I would have liked, but makes me sad for my next visit. I definitely did less well at Help this time, but on my past visits I have had some similar experiences, so I'm not ready to say that there has been a big change. Also meeting a regular girl would be fun. I've had regular girlfriends in Russia on trips of only a few days--one of them I still exchange birthday and Christmas presents with three years later--so maybe I'll manage it in Rio one day. I don't like to talk about it on boards too much because I'm worried that some chunkheads are going to go over there and treat all girls like they are readily available and cause them to avoid foreigners.

I'll second Carrib's request for info on cheap motels near Help. I was happy with my hotel even though it wasn't girl-friendly because I had a perfectly good room for 90 reals. Hard to beat that.

"A Brasilera with a new namorado is like a 16 year old kid with a new car -- all she wants to do is drive you around town and show you off to all her friends!"

Sounds like fun.

Rio Bob
06-29-05, 12:21
Question to the board. People on here talk about the girls that try to pretend that they said 200 us instead of 200r. Since i have always stayed at a hotel, i never had this happen because the front desk knows that they are lying and will actually keep their ID until things are settled in my favor. Next month i will be using an apartment for the first time. Can i expect this sort of thing to start happening once i use a apt. I dont have a "front desk" backing me up. Any advice on what i should do if it does happen at my apartment. I sure the hell aint paying 200us instead of 200r.

Brazilman, I stay in an apartment now all the time and I never have a problem with money from the garotas. Yes it is important to establish the business part up front then enjoy the product you just bought.

These girls may try to get away with something if they think your a schmo and they think they can, just be firm with them.

Also just for the record, I go to Rio strictly for Help and I always experience good times with these girls, I find them friendly, give top GFE, most leave their number and express that they want me to call and some ask if they can be exclusive with me and I laugh. And yes for sure I do come across an occasional waste of time but on my last trip everynight I had good top quality girls and the best one was saved for the last night, she was 19, new in the business and her friends were helping her negotiate and she turned out to be a gem, As soon as I arrive in Rio next time I am going to give her a call.

Different strokes for different folks, I don't like the termas at all, very rarely stop in to one but thats why Rio is so popular now as it has different ways for people to enjoy themselves, one way works for a certain type and another way for another.

Orgasm Donor
06-29-05, 12:31
Question to the board. People on here talk about the girls that try to pretend that they said 200 us instead of 200r. Since i have always stayed at a hotel, i never had this happen because the front desk knows that they are lying and will actually keep their ID until things are settled in my favor. Next month i will be using an apartment for the first time. Can i expect this sort of thing to start happening once i use a apt. I dont have a "front desk" backing me up. Any advice on what i should do if it does happen at my apartment. I sure the hell aint paying 200us instead of 200r.One more reason to learn Portuguese.

First garota I ever picked up out of Help, negotiations took a half hour before heading to the sex-motel. My portuguese was crappy, so was her english, and she said I should decide what the price should be. I refused thinking she would try to upsell me later. I made her quote all I would get, and for how long, She said she reallllly liked me and quoted $150R.

But it had to be clear to me it was "toda a noite" (all night) plus motel, no anal, oral w/o condom. blah blah.

Point is, this is a business negotiation. In the business world there are plenty of loopholes to bail out of a contract, at least ACT like you got all the bases covered, (pay AFTER!, how much, reals or dollars, how long, what for, etc.) If you arent clear enough, don't want to learn portuguese, etc. You leave a loophole for her to pull a technicality on you. Assure her that this is important that both of you go through this process so BOTH of you are happy with the agreed transaction.

I know it makes you lose your "momentum", but thats okay, you have more time to see if she starts copping a sassy attitude with you. And remember, you have HUNDREDS of other options. If you get ANY static, beg off, let her meet you on YOUR terms or move on. (dont make it too much work, just keep assuring her that this is so BOTH of you will be happy with the outcome.) most scammers wont stand for this scrutiny and head for an easier mark.

If you stay in an apt., you have lost your "back up" and leverage of her ID being held.

One suggestion I have, is get to know your apt. security guard well, grease his palm with some reals, and ask him to hold the ID of any garota you come with into the place, and not to give it back untill he calls your apt. and gets your approval.
A hotel is supposed to look out for its guests, but negotiationg your business tranactions are not in their job description (I hope you tipped them well!) Neither is it in the job description of your security. They are doing you a HUGE favor. If you didnt tip them, then I think you deserve to pay $200USD.

But as I said from the beginning,

ONE MORE REASON TO LEARN PORTUGUESE.

O.D.

CaptainNemo
06-29-05, 14:08
[QUOTE=Catalyst] I was happy with my hotel even though it wasn't girl-friendly because I had a perfectly good room for 90 reals. Hard to beat that.
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Catalyst: Please share with us which hotel it is.

Young & Restless
06-29-05, 17:01
Catalyst,

No problems finishing it here, amigo. That was like a mental trip back to Rio for me. I've been thinking (missing) the termas a lot since reading your report. Damn, I miss Rio! I got a PM just the other day from another WSG member that is in Rio right now (lucky SOB!) banging chicas and also said he enjoyed my report. Glad if I helped contribute to anyone having a good time there!

As far as Rio and BA goes... I had a good time in BA, but when it comes to the whole sex scene, Rio is light years ahead. I've read your BA report twice already, mainly because there were several parts in your report that made me LMFAO. Empanadas must have gone on sell in Buenos Aires, because I didn't really notice too many fat chicas in Black or Madaho's, but things can change though... Also, I think you're right about Santa Fe 1707. That's about as wham, bam, thank you ma'am, as they come right there. Sometimes I like that kind of smut though (hehehe).

I think the main reason that Argentina has it's on web-site is because Jackson is such a big fan of that city and he likes it enough to reside there. I don't blame him though, I would for sure have a BrazilPrivate.com if I knew anything about creating/maintaining a website. Also, I think AP.com is the hub for all Argentina mongers, because there is a lot more traffic on that site than any of the other sex sites that I've seen regarding sex discussion in Argentina.

Btw, Marius kick's ass, doesn't it? The meat side is excellent too, but the seafood side is f-ing awesome!

I also have the same question CaptainNemo. Please give us some more information about the hotel you stayed at.

Obrigado,

Y & R

Lennox
06-29-05, 17:18
Just got back from Rio. I had a great time in the city. In fact it was so fun, I’m depressed to be back home now. There is so much energy and things to do in the city. I could have stayed 3 months instead of a week.

Things were more expensive than Buenos Aires, both the prices were higher and the exchange rate was hovering at 2.35 compared to the 3 to 1 in Argentina. I was there 6 days and ended up dropping about 2,000 dollars into the local economy.

Here’s my opinions on the girls and the establishments that I visited. Help Discoteca and Luomo were probably my two favorite places for girls. Centarus was too expensive and Monte Carlo was lacking in attractive girls. I had my two worst experiences of the trip at Monte Carlo and Centarus.

Monte Carlo on last Tuesday night had sub par talent, only one girl was what I would classify as thin and only a couple had pretty faces, the rest were more aimed at those who want the more ethnic looks. However at least Monte Carlo was priced well and had polite staff.

Centaurus, on the other hand, was staffed by rude persons and there was constant pressure to upsell (get a better suite, buy more drinks, go with two girls). Some of the girls were very aggressive in their tactics. It was kind of ridiculous. However I did have a nice encounter with one girl with braces who was very cute. Centaurus had a fun group of Brazilian guys there that night that were having a bachelor party.

Help I thought was a lot of fun, but I'm not averse to risk taking having picked up streetwalkers in DC and Philly and having been to San Jose Costa Rica, walked all over Buenos Aires late at night and all over Prague at night and went to remote Carribean places looking for brothels. The one thing that is a bit annoying about Help is the attitude of some of the male patrons. There were some guys who come in wearing doorags and bringing the 'thug' attitude to Brazil. Leave the attitude and cheap posturing at home fellas.

I enjoyed the freelancing atmosphere of Help, the negotiation, dancing with the girls. The one negative experience I had was a girl who lied and said she was going to stay all night but insisted on payment up front of 300 R (huge red flag) and of course ditched after 1 hour. She was 24 year old with a 9 year old son! I didn’t bother to take her picture as I was annoyed by the experience and wanted to forget it. The other girls I found at Help were nice and I had no problems.

Bubba Boy
06-29-05, 19:59
One more reason to learn Portuguese.

I know it makes you lose your "momentum", but thats okay, you have more time to see if she starts copping a sassy attitude with you. And remember, you have HUNDREDS of other options. If you get ANY static, beg off, let her meet you on YOUR terms or move on. (dont make it too much work, just keep assuring her that this is so BOTH of you will be happy with the outcome.) most scammers wont stand for this scrutiny and head for an easier mark.

O.D.

This is one of the most poignant points when negotiating, any attitude from her is a major red flag that it will be a crap time.

All first timers to Rio should print OD's whole post and put in into your wallets, get it out and read it before starting to neg.....add a further note to it, if she asks for $ upfront ditch her immediately.

Lennox, also good points. These are the kind of posts which make this board excellent, sometimes one must wade through 10 pages of "lesser" quality stuff to get here but life is like that I guess.

Young & Restless
06-29-05, 20:34
Just got back from Rio. I had a great time in the city. In fact it was so fun, I’m depressed to be back home now. There is so much energy and things to do in the city. I could have stayed 3 months instead of a week.

Places like Rio are like a thirst that can't be quenched. I usually start planning another trip shortly after I return home.


Centaurus, on the other hand, was staffed by rude persons and there was constant pressure to upsell (get a better suite, buy more drinks, go with two girls). Some of the girls were very aggressive in their tactics. It was kind of ridiculous. However I did have a nice encounter with one girl with braces who was very cute. Centaurus had a fun group of Brazilian guys there that night that were having a bachelor party.

A lot of other mongers share your opinion about Centaurus. The more reports that I read, the more I think that I am one of the only mongers that actually likes this place. I'm with you on Monte Carlo though. Not bad, but not my favorite place either. At any rate, nice report.

Y & R

Sunset Strip
06-29-05, 23:48
I was sitting at MABS around 7pm when one of the girls got into an argument with that one guy who is always trying to take Polaroid pictures of couples. She was with her girlfriends and got major attitude. Well after a few words she hit him and then he started swinging back. The police and waiters broke the fight up. I am sure now that MABS is the spot rather than Meia Pataca(and certainly not the Balcony!).

I think I have started a little fad around the place however, because I noticed three girls in skirts without undies. My girl showedup unannounced without undies so I know she has learned this is a definite turnon. Her name is Kezia,so you guys should ask around for her when in Rio. She is short, white,and blond. She spends a full two hours with you in the room and is very wild. Last night she would notlet meclose the curtains or window or turn out the light because she said the neighbors would like the show! This girl is wild.

Oh, yeah, she wants to take me to a Rio, private swing session this Friday. She says it costs only R$70 (less than $US 35) and youcan bang any girl you want!

Yes, Rio is slightly more expensive than in the past but it is still the best place for a monger.

TJ

Catalyst
06-30-05, 04:56
Lennox,

I agree completely about the staff at Centaurus. That woman at the front desk is a bulldog. The first time I went there I balked when I saw the prices. She told me that she would allow me to pay only the entrance fee and I could leave without taking a girl if I wanted. I said I wanted to get something to eat first and I would come back. She said that the offer was no good if I came back. She was very sour about it. I had no intention of paying the entrance fee and not taking a girl anyway, so I wasn’t interested in the offer, but her pushy attitude turned me off and I left and didn’t come back until several days later.

I don’t mind paying in advance. In fact, at the other termas I’m actually always a little nervous that I’m going to screw up and not have the cash I need and have to go to a cash machine with a goon holding each arm or even worse maybe I won’t be able to get cash because I will have already used up my ATM cash allowance for that day. (What do they do if you don’t have the cash and can’t get it until the next day?) I think Centaurus requires it because compared to the other clubs they have many more foreign customers who might misunderstand the bill. But they can be rude about it, especially the bulldog.

My hotel is Hotel Vermont, Rua Visconde de Piraja, 254, Ipanema,
011 (55 21) 2522-0057, 011 (55 21) 2267-7046 (fax), hoteisvermont@uol.com.br
I had a room for 110 reals and then moved to one for 90. There was some construction noise in the mornings, but it wasn’t too bad. If you stay there try to bring a girl there on your last night and in the morning tell them you are moving out because they wouldn’t let you bring her up. Maybe that will get them to change their policy. Don’t get a room overlooking the street unless you are deaf. I think a breakfast is included, but most nights I didn’t stay up late enough to take advantage of it and when I did I just wanted to get to bed when I got home.

Y&R,

The ice cream was very good and very cheap in BA. I suppose I b---ed a little about the cost of Seafood Marius in Rio, but when I think about it in many countries just one of the lobster platters they brought by would cost the entire price of the meal. Sometimes when you see how cheap things are you forget what expensive really is. Marius was great. It is something that just doesn’t exist in most places. Then, once you’ve tried it, you can do almost as well at the other big churrascarias for much less.

Everyone,

Hey, one more thing I forgot. I went to Franks on Ave. P Isabel. They don't have the sex shows anymore. They are gone for good, or until the city changes its mind about allowing them. No sex shows anywhere. Seems I missed them by only a few months. They where nice and honest about it; they could have led me on to get me in and get me to buy drinks. I went in anyway, but found it a little depressing. Some of the girls were ok though.

So has anyone tried Priscilla and Melissa together yet? Was I right or what?

Bubba Boy
06-30-05, 09:33
For the record, centaraus does in fact allow anybody to pay just the R90 for entrance when entering. There is a sign above the reception in Portuguese which more or less says "we prefer you pay R310 but do not insist on it". Every time I go there now I just plonk down the R90 have a quick chat to them and head on in, they don't blink.

Have to agree that the whole atmosphere of the place is not as friendly as the other termas, I really don't like it much except I like one girl there alot - she was actually just reviewed below and given a 9 in the looks department, her name: Mona Lisa, 18. Saw her the first time and was disappointed, CBJ, no anal, and no DFK. Second time she saw me in centaraus, comes up to me for a second round and I explain that I won't see her again because of CBJ and no DFK. She hangs around for a while and has a bit of fun, finally she says "if you take me I will let you do whatever you want except no anal". Ended up having a f**king great time, even got the thumb in her ass (she has never done anal before - or at least said this to me). Saw her a few more times and she just got wilder but just couldn't do anal. I always find that if you see the same girl a few times they will generally let you do pretty much whatever you want to them, of course there has to be some connection there.

Brazilman
06-30-05, 11:38
I also hate Centauras and of course that ***** who hasnt had any dick since slavery ended in Brazil.I am surprised with the exchange rate as shitty as it is, you fucking guys are still going there. 310 reals is alot when your getting 2.3. 135 dollars to put up with that ***** and it is also very crowded with guys. One thing I like about the other termas are there are less guys there. The ratio is more to my liking. I thought for sure this place would go down as the exchange rate goes down. I guess I was wrong. Btw catalyst ,where is this hotel located and it must be a dump for 90 reals. How far from help is this hotel.

Macunaima
06-30-05, 14:29
You guys should also know that it's completely illegal for Centaurus to charge gringos more and they are well aware of that fact, thus the disclaimer.

With all the talk in here about "organizing to reduce prices", you'd think you guys would take a pound of flesh out of the a$$holes at Centaurus first. After all, they are basically pimps.

Lennox
06-30-05, 15:11
Bubba, Thanks so much for your past reports, I used them as a guide and if you're ever in the same town as me I'm buying you dinner!

Y&R, I know the feeling! I have a feeling that I will be returning to Brazil for as many years as Victor Newman has been on Y&R. I am already planning the trip again, I need to find some good airfares out of DC. I flew United because of my frequent flier miles...I hope they run some good deals at some point. I also would like to check out some more remote regions and really get to see some more of the country, but I hear it's more dangerous than Rio for a foreign tourist, with police shakedowns and scams.

Couple of quick additional notes, most of the girls automatically stayed overnight, something the girls in Buenos Aires did not do unless you negotiated. The food in Brazil was awesome, especially high end seafood restaurants Marius and Satyrcon. The juice bars are a lot of fun. Breakfast food I found lacking, but that is the case in virtually every country I've visited. I went to Cesar Park thinking they would have a great breakfast buffet. It was good, but it was also 59 Real! I sat there for like an hour drinking their OJ and eating fruits to make sure I got my money's worth.

The one big drawback of visiting in June is it gets dark so early, around 5:30.

Exec Talent
06-30-05, 15:50
Bubba,

Just curious, do you make a practice of getting names and phone numbers at the termas? I have never had a girl decline when I asked for her number. If I like someone and want to see them again it makes for a much more relaxed time. I rarely see the same girl at the termas twice. If I like her, I see her outside.

Bob Melo
06-30-05, 16:49
Hi Folks!

Does anybody has anyway of contact with Cindy? The tall blonde one used to be seen at Help and Barbarella? I´ll be reaching Rio on August and hope to have some fuck around.

Bubba Boy
06-30-05, 21:38
everyone has a different game plan when in rio.

i personally like the termas and will generally have 6 or so favourites girls rep001tered across the city. each trip a few drop off the list and of course a few get added. i generally see a favourite girl every second night at a terma, the one to see depends on the mood and of course where other amigos are headed for the evening. on the other nights i look for something new. of course if this is done within an establishment that i have a regular at it can take planning...... all good fun.

i personally will only see a favourite outside a terma if i really like her, maybe only 1 or 2 per trip will be invited to come to my hotel/apartment. if she does come over it will be a girlfriend kind of a deal, i will not give her any cash straight out, maybe some cab money or a couple of bucks to get her "hair done", i make this clear at the beginning. of course this means a certain amount of emotional attachment can be assumed by the girl, i also make it clear that this is a short time deal, not a long term relationship. i tend to find if i invite more than a couple over per trip they are harder to control and potentially cramp my style, some can turn into pests real quick. my average trip lasts a month or 2 and hence it is more difficult to get rid of girls than just jumping on a plane after just 6 days in rio.

i will only invite a girl over to my pad if she is genuine and not likely to cause any problems. i have no interest in a gangster chic coming to my pad, that is what motels are for. any girl that comes to my place is heavily screened for emotional stability and honesty. being a lawyer once upon a time means i have a very good "bullshit detector" and hence i have never had any problems with such girls taking shit or trying to scam me. any girl invited to my place i would be considered a pretty decent human being, hence i also do not want to hurt her emotionally or give her false hopes of a gringo passport. i try to make this clear, sometimes it is not heard though. i like to treat them like expect to be treated.

on my first trips i grabbed phone numbers off pretty much every girl i liked. now i only get the numbers off the ones that i want to keep in contact with on another visit, hence i might only get 1 or 2 new numbers per trip. i generally don't call them unless i need to find out where they are or need a date for a dinner party with fellow deviates. i find if you start calling them they get the wrong impression and they start to call way to much and try to pull the "you can't see other women stuff". i don't think i have ever asked for a phone number, usually a girl i have seen a few times insists i take theirs, they are not exactly shy in rio.

i actually prefer email addresses. it is easier to keep in touch and easier to control, because if they start hounding me i can slow down my replies to them. i also find this great when i am travelling through europe (where i live for half the year), it is great to have "uma amiga" to meet in italy or spain for a few days of fun. with the ever increasing number of gdp's working in europe i tend to find it is an easy and very enjoyable hookup.

i have many friends that do 2 or 3 girls a night, usually a new girl each time, hell one of my friends averages 5 a night although he only stays for 5 nights at a time, i tend to find 1 girl a night is a good number for me. i really like to find a girl i connect with and who i see a few times, the sex just gets better and better. often she will let me do things that no one time punter will ever get the chance to do with her. hence, i prefer quality over quantity. my point is every one is different and we all get different things out of our visits, its all good.

lennox: thanx man. i have been updating my "bubba guide/report" and will edit it one day and post. i am thinking in a month or 2.

Kid Cisco
07-01-05, 01:31
Nice report Bubba Boy, I share a lot of your insights as well Young & R I to enjoy Centauras, I don't know why but I have never had any problems with the front desk workers, I just pay the amount (most of the time just the entrance fee) I tell them I don't know if I will see anyone or not I just walk in.

I think if you been there a few times and they know you mostly will see and pick a girl (95%) of the time they maybe don't push you to pay in advance some guys don't have $$ to pay for a session they go to the termas just to fill on the girls butts and kiss on them without taking a session, in order to attract the BEST girls 9's and 10's they have it were you pay in advance cutting down on the guys that just want a "quick cheap fill".

Also, the group of guys that goes to Centauras seem (to me) a lot different what I am saying is they know what they want and it meant cost more but hell, life is short and if I am going to spend 9+ hours on a plane a few extra dollars I don't mind, to tell you the truth most of the time they wave the entrance fee for me if I see a girl, or they just wave me in maybe because I go there a lot.

Lets face it Centauras DON'T want everyone going there they want to attract certain mongers and they also want to best top girls look at it as a Benz or BMW dealership vs a used car lot, (it caters to certain people), like you have the help club were you pay a small fee before a certain time to get in and then you have Barbella's were you have to pay 50 reals to get in and you have to pay 50 reals to leave plus the drinks cost more etc. (BUT THEY HAVE THE BEST LOOKING GIRLS) in Rio in there.

The reason I enjoy Barbella's (sp) so much is I don't find the loud Mia P. crowd in there.

I notice if you go to anyplace a lot most of the time they will either don't charge you the entrance fee or don't charge you for a few of your drinks, (it could be just me) but when the termas owners know they have a good client that goes there and don't complain about the prices at every turn that look out for you, OR THEY WILL GIVE YOU A HARD TIME SO YOU WON'T COME BACK !!

Kid Cisco

Catalyst
07-01-05, 02:27
Bubba,

Let me get this straight. You see a girl in a terma a few times and after that she is willing to be your girlfriend and everything is a freebie from then on? Cool! I wish I had tried that!

Rio Bob
07-01-05, 02:36
Places like Rio are like a thirst that can't be quenched. I usually start planning another trip shortly after I return home.
Y & R

Last time I went to Rio the day I came home I bought my ticket for my next trip, you always have to have something to look forward to.

Bubba Boy
07-01-05, 07:43
I didn't exactly say it doesn't cost anything. In fact having a girlfriend is always more expensive than P4P. If you do the sums, say R50 for a taxi, maybe R50 to get her hair done. Dinner R100-200, breakfast R30. Probably ads up to more than paying for a terma run, different experience though, not really done for the "free" sex.

Over the years my girlfriends in the western world have worked out to me many times more expensive than any P4P, I am sure any married man will agree with this as well.

Brazilman
07-01-05, 13:40
Catalyst,

I recieved an email from the hotel you stayed at and they said they charge 70R per guest. Why didn't you just pay the 70R instead of 150 for a love motel. 70r is still alot per girl.I dont know if I can stay there for 10 days. It would still be cheaper to get an apartment.

Papi Que Rico
07-01-05, 16:33
I didn't exactly say it doesn't cost anything. In fact having a girlfriend is always more expensive than P4P. If you do the sums, say R50 for a taxi, maybe R50 to get her hair done. Dinner R100-200, breakfast R30. Probably ads up to more than paying for a terma run, different experience though, not really done for the "free" sex.

Over the years my girlfriends in the western world have worked out to me many times more expensive than any P4P, I am sure any married man will agree with this as well.It's a well known joke:

What's the difference between sex for free and sex you pay for? Sex for free is much more expensive!

Macunaima
07-01-05, 23:00
I disagree.

Why?

Because I don't marry or date gold-diggers. I marry or date women with a career and an attitude. I refuse to pay for sex, "free" or not, and I probably get just as much of it as the next guy.

Bottom line: if you're willing to pay, you will find people willing to make you pay.

Young & Restless
07-01-05, 23:11
Last time I went to Rio the day I came home I bought my ticket for my next trip, you always have to have something to look forward to.

You must know some of my friends! “You always have to have something to look forward to” has turned into like a cliché whenever I tell any of my friends that I am going on another trip. Right on!

Young & Restless
07-01-05, 23:13
I didn't exactly say it doesn't cost anything. In fact having a girlfriend is always more expensive than P4P. If you do the sums, say R50 for a taxi, maybe R50 to get her hair done. Dinner R100-200, breakfast R30. Probably ads up to more than paying for a terma run, different experience though, not really done for the "free" sex.

Over the years my girlfriends in the western world have worked out to me many times more expensive than any P4P, I am sure any married man will agree with this as well.

There definitely ain't no such thing as a free lunch (especially in Rio) and all of those little cost here and there will add up quick. I know Bubba Boy didn't mention this, but for anyone that is not familiar with the scene in Rio, try your best to avoid bringing GDP somewhere that she may have an opportunity to hit you up for a gift of some sort. When your girl is giving you one of those sexy Brazilian smiles that almost makes you forget your own name and is struttin’ her perfect 10 ass for your viewing pleasure, topped off with mind blowing sex, you may feel like buying her a small gift to let her know how much you appreciate her. Not to sound too cynical here, but my advice is not to do it. Some of the girls will take great advantage of your generosity and return whatever you bought them (an outfit, bikini, CD, shampoo, hairspray, whatever) and exchange it for cash once they are out of your site or once you leave.

If you just have to buy something for a GDP, read Jackson's "half-life" theory first:


For those of you not familiar with the term "half-life", it means that the value is reduced in half in the first 5 minutes, then by half of the remaining value in the next 5 minutes, then by half of that remaining value in the next 5 minutes, etc., etc, etc. In other words, the value dimishes rapidly, but never actually reaches zero, thus permitting you to bring it up in subsequent conversations, where it will be acknowledged, but to little or no credit for you.


Kid Cisco,

Your write up on Centaurus was right on the money (pun intended). I was surprised when I read yours and Bubba Boy’s post where you mentioned not being required to pay the entrance up front. Knock on fake wood, paying the entrance up front hasn’t really been an issue for me, because I also have not had any problems with management (or anyone else there for that matter) or a bad session there. Until they give me a reason not to go, I plan on keeping them in my “repertoire” ;-)

Cheers,

Y & R

Exec Talent
07-02-05, 02:24
Something got me thinking (who knows what) have any of you done DP (double penetration) at a termas? If so, how did you go about arranging it?

Adickt
07-02-05, 02:41
Excuse my stupidity, what is DP?

Rio Bob
07-02-05, 19:15
Excuse my stupidity, what is DP?

If you are in a restaurant and order DP then you will get a bottle of Dom Perigon.

If you are in a termas and ask a garota is she would like DP then you had better have a friend with you unless you are so equipped because as the gentleman stated below it is double penetration. One inserted anally and one inserted vaginally at the same time, get the picture. You might have better luck doing this with an escort but I guess it would depend on the termas management if they would let two men and one or two women in one cabine, I guess that would be possible, like a little party.

Bubba Boy
07-02-05, 20:03
Seen this happen. Having a mini festa (sex party - not really my thing...) at L'uomo with 3 guys and 3 girls in the super sweet with the famous Paola (blonde girl about 28, made a heap of movies) being present. Anyway, every one is merrily pumping a girl when paula starts saying "i want DP". 2 of the guys obliged, I was not one of them, the membrane between a chics ass and vag is just not thick enough for me.

The same 2 guys were at Solarium having another festa with another semi famous terma personality named Vanessa (sometimes works at Monte Carlo). She also asked to be DP'd. She is a blonde with a super fit looking body, must workout seriously, made a ton of movies as well, been reviewed here quite a bit.

Hence, may be worth booking 2 girls and getting 2 guys into the same room. Look for a girl that does anal alot and your chances of getting her to do this would be good. I am thinking your chances are much greater this way than having 2 guys and 1 girl in the room.

Both chics have appeared on ************ website of which these pics are from.

Brazilman
07-03-05, 02:49
DP? 3 way with 2 guys and a girl? 2 dicks in a girls ass? How can a guy say he is straight, if doing these acts. Are these not gay acts? How does a guy who "indulges" in these acts not GAY, or at least bisexual. Make no mistake, that these are gay or gayish acts. There is a scale: 2 guys and a girl might be a 4 and 2 dicks in a girls ass is a 9. The worst has to be this show on HBO called Pornucopia. Has anyone seen this.Must see tv. Get this scenario:They do a segment on gay porn and title it "Gay for Pay". A straight guy says he is 100% straight but does a gay movie for about 5000.00 and thats why he is able to perform full out gay sex.He insists he is straight and does it only for the money. They show these "straight" guys banging guys and getting banged in the ass.They are giving oral!!They interview these guys after the scene and they insist that they are straight.One guy had his girlfriend watching him. They say Gay for Pay- I say they should of named it "Dazed and Confused". Anyone with me on this. Am I the only true heterosexual monger in Brazil.

Catalyst
07-03-05, 07:17
Catalyst,

I recieved an email from the hotel you stayed at and they said they charge 70R per guest. Why didn't you just pay the 70R instead of 150 for a love motel. 70r is still alot per girl.I dont know if I can stay there for 10 days. It would still be cheaper to get an apartment.
Brazilman,

There was a big sing in the lobby saying 70R for a guest. But there is also a big sign at the reception saying no guests between 11PM and early morning (maybe 7AM). I imagine that if you find a girl during the day or from the previous night they will let you check her in before 11 and pay the 70, but they will not let you show up with her at 3 AM. I didn't try showing up with a girl to see if they would accept the 70 or some money under the table. Maybe I should have, but I didn't have a great feeling about any of these girls and I had some electronic gadgets that I didn't want to risk.

BB,

OK, that makes more sense. Still sounds like fun, though. And sounds more like a "normal" relationship.

On DPs,

At Centaurus the girls told me on a previous trip that girls are not allowed to go with 2 guys by themselves. In the other clubs the rooms I saw were too small for 4 people, though I never tried the suites.

Gladiator
07-03-05, 13:31
On DPs,

At Centaurus the girls told me on a previous trip that girls are not allowed to go with 2 guys by themselves. In the other clubs the rooms I saw were too small for 4 people, though I never tried the suites.

The suites have bigger beds, I’ve been in the suites with up to 3 girls at once and there was enough space to manoeuvre.

Cash Works
07-03-05, 17:10
DP? 3 way with 2 guys and a girl? 2 dicks in a girls ass? How can a guy say he is straight, if doing these acts. Are these not gay acts? How does a guy who "indulges" in these acts not GAY, or at least bisexual. Make no mistake, that these are gay or gayish acts. There is a scale: 2 guys and a girl might be a 4 and 2 dicks in a girls ass is a 9. The worst has to be this show on HBO called Pornucopia. Has anyone seen this.Must see tv. Get this scenario:They do a segment on gay porn and title it "Gay for Pay". A straight guy says he is 100% straight but does a gay movie for about 5000.00 and thats why he is able to perform full out gay sex.He insists he is straight and does it only for the money. They show these "straight" guys banging guys and getting banged in the ass.They are giving oral!!They interview these guys after the scene and they insist that they are straight.One guy had his girlfriend watching him. They say Gay for Pay- I say they should of named it "Dazed and Confused". Anyone with me on this. Am I the only true heterosexual monger in Brazil.

Dude,
I know what you're talking about - saw the show too. I'm not in Brasil at the moment, so you may well be alone down there. To me, the idea of doing a chick while another guy is doing her has never been remotely appealing to me - I've done the swapping thing where the girls go from room to room (via the bidet or shower), but I have to draw the line at being in the same room as another guy while having sex - not to mention being inside the same girl at the same time as another guy.

CW

Kid Cisco
07-03-05, 17:34
to sell a dvd they will film all different types of sex acts 3-4 girls at a time or 2 guys in 4 girls etc, the problem comes in when your avg. small town guy theres to repeat those acts he seen, like some guys don't like to do anal but they try it or ask for it because they have seen it on dvd so much and think they should try it (since they seen it so much).

some if not many guys will tell you they don't even like (anal) but if the girl would do it without charging more $$ they go ahead and do it anyway.

i too don't want to see another naked men in the room with me when i am doing a girl, one time when i was in hawaii some older guy (58+) years old from japan paid me to do his wife she was only 23 years old he couldn't do it anymore this was before the "v" pill, he would take her to clubs and bars and pick out a guy to have sex with her, he paid me to do her i would have done it for free because she look so damn hot, the only thing he had to be in the room (the room was dark) he sit in the other side of the room and watch.

looking back it seem so crazy, i told myself after that i would never do anything like that again i could have been set up on [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) charges or something else i was a young guy back in those days, now its just me and maybe up to 3 girls but no other guys i have no interest in seeing another man dick.

kid cisco

Veterano
07-04-05, 00:48
That's one of my problems, guys are always after me to fuck their wives or girlfriends for money, gets old, trust me!

Veterano

Exec Talent
07-04-05, 00:52
I HAVE done this before and can tell you I never have had nor am even remotely interested in a gay experience. One of the experiences was with an escort I saw regularly. Seems her husband had never done it and always wanted to. One night she pretended to fall asleep at my place. Her husband (not known by me as such at the time) was the driver. I went out to his car to tell him he needed to come in and wake her up (we had chatted before so I knew he was cool). When he came in he started making out with her and one thing lead to another (as it turned out planned by them).

I never made contact with the guy so there was nothing gay about it. Little intimidating though, the guy was huge. LOL.

BTW, women have fantasies too and this is one of them.

One Wing Low
07-04-05, 01:03
She's a skinny morena with curly, dyed blonde hair, sent over to my apartment by the escort service. 2 hours for about US$30, guaranteed services.

We drank, smoke and fooled around naked in the apartment. I tried to loosen her up for a GFE, but like most Brazilians, she was seriously lacking in the fun department. We had 2 sessions. She was nice and complying in sex, but showed little expressions. I could do as well fucking a rubber doll.

In between, she was telling me her life story in passable English. She said she was 19 but had a baby when she was 13. The guy she fucked promptly left her when she got pregnant. She lives in the favelas somewhere above Copacabana, where her mom takes care of her kid, while she goes on calls for the escort service. She's a typical street girl. There is not much grace or culture in her.

It seems that Brazil has some very beautiful girls if you have good local guides. The famous therma in Copacabana had 2 very beautiful girls among a dozen or so of morenas and blacks the day I was there. I had a great session with a girl at the therma for about US$100. The girls in thermas are a lot more fun, polished and cultured, compared to the escort girls from the agencies.

I don't like sitting in a small, enclosed room, talking, groping the girls with dozens other guys. I like more pivacy and quietness. The girls were very nice, polite and smiling throughout the time I was there. One beautiful girl sat down next to me on the bench and started to flirt. By that time I had decided to make the move on another girl who looked slimmer and prettier. I had to turn her down very gently, but her feelings were hurt. When she stood up, her slightly paunchy stomach turned out to be perfectly flat, her breasts were round and perky, her legs long and slender, her face pretty and fun. She was just as good looking, even younger than the girl I picked. Later, everytime we crossed path, she looked distressed.

I had a nice, slow, gentle session with the beautiful garota I selected, anal included, in a small room the size of a closet. She looked exactly like a tall, lanky Anglo girl in North America. There was nothing in her facial and body features that say Brazilian.

After the session, I went to the sauna then buffet dinner with a fellow from Virginia, whom I had met in front of Help Disco the night before. The buffet was just very basic, compared to the sumptous feast at most churrascarias for $10. I had a great time hanging out, discussing the hobby, trading notes with this fellow. I had to go to the airport to catch a plane. Otherwise I was still red hot for the other young girl and would have stayed for another session.

Help Disco is another excellent place to hang out just to watch and to pick up girls. I quickly made friends with a couple American guys while we sat outside drinking, oggling the girls. Don't be shy to introduce yourself when you hear English spoken. I found some very good contacts and resources that way.

Kaysar
07-04-05, 06:06
Hi Guys, thanks for your help.

I made a very short trip to Rio, my first one so far.

I stayed in Atlantico Copacabana Hotel, rate was R155+10%tax=170/nite, completely guestfriendly, recommended by Sidharta.

First day, called Karla from Amantes and she demanded R200, so I refused. Called Karen from Amantes, she agreed for R80 for 1 hr at my hotel+taxi. In the end, she sent another girl, a newby morena, ok performance. Gave her 80+20taxi fare.
On Sunday, only Potira from Amantes answered the phone, negotiated to R80 for 1 hr. But when she came, she wanted 100 for 1 hr and 30 for taxi. But worst part is when went to bed, she had a strong smell of shit, so had to kick her out soon.
On 3rd day, went to Terma 4x4 and had a great time. Took a large breasted loira, gave BBBJ and also offered anal. Took cabine before 5pm, so total cost including 3 drinks was R165.

On 4th night, went to terma 502, had great time with a 19 year old morena, very good service. 30mins for the cabin(R77)+1drink+entrance= only R87.

On the last day, called Karla models, had Karen to come over, a slim blond, GFE service. Also got to see the famous black book of the agency.

Overall, good place to monger. But the language is a big issue. Unfortunately, I live far away from Brazil, no chance to go back there. But those who leave close by should invest some time and energy to learn Portuguese. There is a big potential to pick up regular girls if you know the language and spend little money to entertain the girls which is not too expensive anyway. My two cents. Cheers

One Wing Low
07-04-05, 07:25
A nice garota in Rio from the agency.

Her life is so hard and sad. It shows in her manners.

Brazilman
07-04-05, 12:53
Talent,

That is a disturbing post. If she was a hooker, why didn't you say, no I'm not interested, I will bang you tomorrow when your naked husband isn't around. This wasnt even new pussy and you did this.disturbing?? I could see if the penthouse pet of the year tells you i will bang you only if my husband is there, but a hooker. That's just wrong. You might have gay tendencies that you are not aware of. I would feel totally uncomfortable with a naked man in bed with me.Period. How do you know he wont put a hand on you in the heat of passion.You might be a 3 on a scale of 10.

Trippleecks
07-04-05, 12:54
One Wing Low... I want to know what agency you used and paid only $30.US. That sounds like a bottom of the barrel agency. Where did you find it, the newspaper?
Even Karla Models gets 100 reais, about $40 US, for 2 hours + the taxi fee of about 30 reais. No wonder you got a rubber doll.

I always use agencies when in Rio and I have almost always had very good experiences. It is rare that I'm disappointed. I will not take any of the girls out of Help, Meia Pataca, Mabs or Balcony. I will also never even go to places like Barbarela’s or the other places in Lido (entrance fees and bar fines) before you even discuss prices for sex with the girls. You could easily pay 300-400 reais before you know it. Way too expensive and you never know who you are bringing back to your room.

One Wing Low
07-04-05, 15:37
Hi Nodd,

There were 3 agencies listed in this forum. 2 could not speak any English, so I think I did use Karla Models. the receptionist barely spoke English. I kept telling her, "Branca, blonde...." She got the message.

Barbarella had about 60 girls every night, but only 3,4 good looking ones. I took one out. She looked a lot older out of the club. We had an average session for about US$100. She tried to get more money out of me afterwards and refused to leave. I had to shove her out of the door. I came back to Barbarella to watch the girls but never took one out again. There was an old man who walked around teasing every girl with a large stack of cash. It was funny.

Anjelica from Karla Models was definitely nicer than the Barbarella girl. There were also a dozen street girls in front of Barbarella, aggressively accosting tourrists, but I did not partake.

I met an American guy at Help. He's producing porn movies in Rio. He steered me to a few good thermas and *****houses downtown. One girl reportedly charges 5 reais per minute of screwing. I did not have time to check those out.

Please post your preferred agencies in Rio for the benefits of other mongers.

Junior
07-04-05, 16:23
Fellow mongers,

Anyone in town right now ?

If you want to go terma hopping with an experienced portuguese speaking terma fan, please pm me.

Lorenzo
07-04-05, 22:19
[QUOTE=One Wing Low] I tried to loosen her up for a GFE, but like most Brazilians, she was seriously lacking in the fun department. We had 2 sessions. She was nice and complying in sex, but showed little expressions. I could do as well fucking a rubber doll.

If you can seriously make a statement like this, it's obvious that you haven't met too many Brazilians. Brazilians are the most fun-loving people in the world, bar none! Moreover, Brazilian girls are the most enthusiastic about sex, bar none. It sounds like you got a rare turkey. Maybe that's why it just cost US$30. Just goes to show that you usually get what you pay for.

Lorenzo

Trippleecks
07-05-05, 13:33
5 reais per min. is shit... be careful with those kind of places... There are other places that offer 20 min. for 20.reais.. But you get what you pay for friend. Usually fat and ugly. You might be able to find the diamond in the rough but that is very rare..

Bubba Boy
07-05-05, 22:57
I was watching the weather chanel last night (yeah I know, I need to get a life!) and it said the temp in Rio was 35C (95F), that is unbelievable for winter........

Jaimito Cartero
07-08-05, 04:47
I was watching the weather chanel last night (yeah I know, I need to get a life!) and it said the temp in Rio was 35C (95F), that is unbelievable for winter........

I hope that just a freak thing. I checked on Weather.com and it said mid 70's was the high.

Fido Dido
07-08-05, 22:42
Been in Rio. Before I went I already had my doubts. Much too commercial.

Options in Rio:

1) High-class terma's: lots of barbie-dolls that look alike. High prices and garotas that are used to gringos.

By the way: why do we always get cheated by those chicks and not the Brasilians?

The quality/services in the termas in the Center where the Brasilians themselves go to (65, quatro por quatro, 502) is higher than the quality/service in the other termas where the tourists do go to (L'Uomo, Monte Carlo, Centaurus and Solarium).

From the centro termas 65 has the best atmosphere. Quatro por quatro is the biggest terma.

From the non centro termas L'Uomo has the best atmosphere. Centaurus I refuse to go to. At entrance they want you to pay also the fee for the girl. If you threaten to leave they offer you an entrance fee of R$ 90 (without girl) which is still too high and still has to be payed in advance.

For L'Uomo: I recommend: Dandy (very hot) and Perla (very, very sweet girl).

For Solarium: I recommend: Claudia (blond and very sweet).

For 65: I reccomend: Alexandra (very hot and a lot a hospitality)

For Rio Antigo I reccomend: Andrea (hot, friendly and nice)

Muito obrigado garotas!

2) Discoteck Help and surrounding places: what a mess. 95% of the girls are bud ugly. And the other 5% I do not trust.

Also the music at Help (techno) is terrible.

3) Semi-profs. Met one. Lots of work to find one who is reliable and has qualities and talent.

4) Other termas (for the Brasilians) and Villa Mimosa. You must visit Villa Mimosa. Very hot atmosphere. But also a lot of human tragedy. Not for me.

From the termas for the Brasilians themselves I ran away (Av. Nossa Senora de Copocabana and Rua Uruguaiana in the centrum). Althoug interesting to see.

5) Websites. Did use Karlamodels. Was nice for a change (cheap and easy). The girls are not as good looking as in the book! Agree on the phone on the you things want to be delivered.

What I have read about Angelica is really true. She does everything and she has a great body. But there is very little interaction. Like "One Wing Low" is saying: "I could do as well fucking a rubber doll". I am sorry to hear from OWL that she had a hard life.

6) Streetprositutie at night. Lots of transverstites (quasi mulheres). Not my cup of thea.

7) Nightclubs (Barbarella, Franks, etc.). Didn't even try them.

Knowledge or Portugese comes in hand. Even in the high-class termas there are a lot of gorotas that do not know english (thank you very much Rump Humper).

Quero completa = I want anal
Quero boquete sem camisinha = I want BBBJ
Quero gozo na boca = I want to come in mouth
Chupa = suck
Chopp = draft (beer, please do not confuse with chupa!)

Brasilados nao pagam isso = Brasilians do not pay that
Pago solement depois = I pay only afterwards

For negitiations: learn how to say the numbers in portuguese.

Before you make a deal agree on the services you do want. And write down the price and time.

If the garota starts to do difficult: throw her out. I threw out a garota in a cabin at a terma.

She did not want me to play with her nipples. I told her "Eu pago" (I pay) and threw her out.

At the reception of the terma I did not have to pay for her.

Prices:

Just a fuck: $R 100 - 150

Tode la Noite: $R 150 - 200 (yes I am cheap).

Places to stay.

Wanted to stay in Ipanema. Much nicer than Copocabana.

Booking through www.ipanema.com gives the best rates for a hotel.
Stayed first two night at the hotel Ipanema Inn. They told me they are girl friendly (I did not bring in a guest).

Just give them a call from home. They speak english on the phone.

Later I found myself an appartment in Ipanema.

Reserve a hotel for a few days. Do some searching on appartments/agencies on the internet before you go.

And after arrival in Rio go to rental agencies.

Must do: get a copy of Bwana Dik's Rio Guide 2005

And read the postings of Bubba Boy on this board.

Brasilian guide I did use to help me around: Sandro a waiter at the restaurant Galitos Grill at the corner of Rua Visconte de Piraja and Rua Farme de Melo (Ipanema).

Upon arrival on the airport do not use the taxis that are offered to you by the shouting girls in the office-boxes or by the guys in the quasi offical uniforms.
Just go outside and find yourself a taxi there. Ask for the meter to put on ("con metro")

Transportation. In daytime I used taxis, busses and the metro. At night I only used taxis. In Ipanema I did walk at night.

Going to the center of Rio by metro is very easy and cheap.

Phone. I have a simple cellular. At home I had it unlocked. In Brasil I bought at a TIM-shop a new chip ($R 25) and pre-paid card ($R 35).

I now have my own Brasilian number.

Advantage of Rio: lots of (touristic) attriactions (Sugar bread mountain, Christ statue, Favela tour, Kate board surfing, Tram in Theresa, walk around in Centro, Buzio)

Disadvantage of Rio: unsecurity when it gets dark. In winter it gets dark early (17:30) and fast.

I have been in quite a lot of places, also at night. Nothing ever happend. But I could not always say if I were save or not.

You must see Brasil and Rio at least once. However I find the sex in Brazil hard and commercial.

There is not much sensitivity in the sex (although oral skills are very good and there are lots of anal possiblities).

In Brasil sex is very much business. All the garotos are much more experienced in doing this business than we are.

So for me Brasil was only for once (but YMMV).

One question I still do have.

What does "safado" mean.

I know it is not a compliment. But I am proud that the garotas called me like this.
According to my lexicon "dog" is not translated into "safado". What is the exact meaning of this word?

Rio Bob
07-09-05, 04:02
I hope that just a freak think. I checked on Weather.com and it said mid 70's was the high.

Oglobo had the temp at 15 degrees celsius yesterday and pictures of people freezing, so if it was 95 recently then that is history, now it is winter there and 15 degrees which is nice for me but I will return late October to enjoy their spring chicks.

Bravo
07-09-05, 06:53
Spoke to a buddy of mine who is a police officer in Rio and he gave me ths piece of advice. If you have a problem with a gpd, the best thing to do is get her out of your apartment as soon as possible. Once she is out of your apartment, you are home free.

If she calls the police on you, simply stay in the apartment. DO NOT OPEN THE DOOR!!! He said if the tourist just stayed in the apartment and didnt come out or answer the phone, the police would leave after a few minutes. Instead, what most tourists end up doing, is come downstairs and try to negociate with the girl in front of the police. Thats when you get fucked becaue notw the police are going to want a cut of the money, so you end up having to pay more than if you just gave the girl the money in the first place.

He told me "Bravo, we are not going to bust down the door to ask whether or not you agreed to 300R".

Truant
07-09-05, 20:51
One question I still do have.

What does "safado" mean.

I know it is not a compliment. But I am proud that the garotas called me like this.
According to my lexicon "dog" is not translated into "safado". What is the exact meaning of this word?

I believe she was calling you "SHAMELESS" , as they do all of us. No biggie.

Rio Bob
07-10-05, 02:26
One question I still do have.

What does "safado" mean.

I know it is not a compliment. But I am proud that the garotas called me like this.
According to my lexicon "dog" is not translated into "safado". What is the exact meaning of this word?

Don't worry it is a compliment, the girls in Rio call me it all the time, it means a man who has many girlfriends or a guy who likes to do a different garota every night. Many girls who I know for years in Help who I don't do anymore call me Safado when they see me with a new young thing. The only way you can have many girlfriends is if women are attracted to you, so its a good thing.

Carrib
07-10-05, 05:10
The word safado depending in which context it is used can be either be a compliment or an insult.

If during passionate sex your garota screams: voce muito safado!! vai.. vai! gostoso. In this case this is good meaning naughty, bad boy or a guy with alot of girls can be called a safado, but it can also mean asshole or worse (perhaps some of the native speakers on this board can enlighten us)

Safada is the feminine equivalent of "naughty girl", "nasty girl"

Sunset Strip
07-10-05, 18:47
You said the following:

"You must see Brasil and Rio at least once. However I find the sex in Brazil hard and commercial.

There is not much sensitivity in the sex (although oral skills are very good and there are lots of anal possiblities).

In Brasil sex is very much business. All the garotos are much more experienced in doing this business than we are."

I was wondering in what places have you found the firls to be more sensitive than in Rio.? I have been to many places but have found the commercial factor to be more than in Rio. To me Mexico and the US are the worst.

I do think the girls in Rio are getting more commercial. A few years ago it was good and about ten years ago it was great. But I would like to hear of these places that you think are better if there are any.

TJ

Perkele
07-11-05, 05:43
You said the following:

"In Brasil sex is very much business. All the garotos are much more experienced in doing this business than we are."

TJGarotos? So you're doing boys then?

P

Carlos Primeros
07-12-05, 05:21
TJ - I made very very different experiences.

Depending on where you go you will find the very best GF material. OK - if you go to a Therma and girls are doing 3 - 4 clients a day - what do you expect? Hardcore pros. At the beaches, restaurants, bars etc. you find girls which want to have fun, which need some cash to survive but which are 95 % friendly, good and very likable.

I am constantly in and out of Brasil - 4 to 5 times a year - and I never had bad experiences (except jelousy)

Carlos Primeros

One Wing Low
07-12-05, 07:25
I did a super model girl at Crystal in Foz for $100. She was very pretty but unengaging and expressionless, thus my conclusions about B girls.

The young girl I took out from Casa Vera was the most fun. She was an instant girl friend to me. We drank beers, smoke, kid around between the sessions. She was thrashing around quite a bit during sex, DFK, embracing me tightly with her arms, moaning, breathing heavily and crying out in her little girl's voice, "Vais, vais..." her expressions all seemed very natural which was a big joy. I definitely want to see this girl again.

The clubs that successfully coach their girls to fake orgasms, besides washing their stinking pussies carefully, will eventually own Microsoft, Google...and the rest of world.

Someone should invent instant formulae to turn girls into GFE on notice, and to provide them with nonstop argasms. The world would probably turn into a peaceful, joyful, happy and safe place with fewer disatisfied women nagging their men, and horny, frustrated men going around causing wars. If everyone is busy screwing his orgasmic woman, there will be noone left to start wars.

Hell, that would be much cheaper than making nuclear warheads and feeding armies of millions men, not mentioning tremenduous benefits for us horny sex/love mongers.

The US National Science Foundation should devote its entire budget for the next 2 decades on this subject.


Moreover, Brazilian girls are the most enthusiastic about sex, bar none. It sounds like you got a rare turkey. Maybe that's why it just cost US$30. Just goes to show that you usually get what you pay for. Lorenzo

Perkele
07-12-05, 08:05
TJ - I made very very different experiences.

Depending on where you go you will find the very best GF material. OK - if you go to a Therma and girls are doing 3 - 4 clients a day - what do you expect? Hardcore pros. At the beaches, restaurants, bars etc. you find girls which want to have fun, which need some cash to survive but which are 95 % friendly, good and very likable.

I am constantly in and out of Brasil - 4 to 5 times a year - and I never had bad experiences (except jelousy)

Carlos PrimerosWell this again depends. From which beach an restaurant you pick your women. Copacabana is rather notorious and there is really impossible to find anything solid.

Remember, even working girls are very jealous... of your wallet.

P

Sunset Strip
07-12-05, 18:11
Perkele,

Actually that term was a quote from somebody else, not me. LOL!

If you notice I was quoting somebody else. I actually did not notice he used that term until now.

TJ

Zorglub
07-13-05, 02:18
You said the following:

"You must see Brasil and Rio at least once. However I find the sex in Brazil hard and commercial.

There is not much sensitivity in the sex (although oral skills are very good and there are lots of anal possiblities).

In Brasil sex is very much business. All the garotos are much more experienced in doing this business than we are."

I was wondering in what places have you found the firls to be more sensitive than in Rio.? I have been to many places but have found the commercial factor to be more than in Rio. To me Mexico and the US are the worst.

I do think the girls in Rio are getting more commercial. A few years ago it was good and about ten years ago it was great. But I would like to hear of these places that you think are better if there are any.

TJ


The commercial thing in Rio has been created by stupid gringos !

I `ve been in Rio for the first time in 1984 and I can tell you that things changed !

Trippleecks
07-13-05, 03:09
What can you expect when you pick up street shit from Meia Pataca and Help Disco. bang them once and move on. You get what you get and that’s all. You think that the first time you bed some hooker she will always make you feel like you are her boyfriend? Wake up guys. I have had some of the best GF sex in Brazil with women I have known for a while and even some good times with first timers and also some lousy sex with some first timers. You need to get them comfortable with you in order to get the best out of them. If you're in Brazil for 7 days and fuck 13 women, you can't really think they will all give you a GFE. I only call escorts now and I have a few numbers that I call, that will always make me feel special.

Veterano
07-13-05, 03:37
Nod N--I am curious, why do you call the chicks from MP and Help "street shit"?

Any issues here you would like to disclose to us?

Veterano

Rio Bob
07-13-05, 04:26
You need to get them comfortable with you in order to get the best out of them. .

This is really key as Mr Nodd says, I always take my time with them, buy them drinks, open champagne in my room, make them a drink in my room, take them to dinner, joke with them, treat them as nice girlfriends , dance with them in Help, they love this and they will give you all if they enjoy being with you.

If your just all about getting the lowest price and writing everything down then and worried that she is charging dollars or reals she is going to think your a putz and rush you out because she is not having a good time and who could with a putz.

Just relax with her and have a good time and she will be better than a blow up doll.

Dick U
07-13-05, 05:40
Rio Bob Said

“I always take my time with them, buy them drinks, open champagne in my room, make them a drink in my room, take them to dinner, joke with them, treat them as nice girlfriends , dance with them in Help,”

With all due respect. If one is willing to put up with that much effort to please a woman. Why do I want to travel half way around the world to fuck a prostitute? If you pay up you have a great chance of a good sex.

Liucio
07-13-05, 06:05
people get real!

these women do not care for you.

the average girl at meia pettaca tables work 24hrs/day.

lets see 3 men per day for 8 mos.

then hign season 4-5 men per day.

yea, your special.

don't get beside yourselves.

have you convinced yourselves that your special.

at least be honest with yourselves.

can someone recommend a therapist.

pathetic lives lost.

Trippleecks
07-13-05, 12:32
Liucio...... who said that they care for you? I certainly did not say that.
As a matter of fact I called the girls at Help and Meia Pataca STREET SHIT. What I said is, take the time and get to know them. Once they know that you're not some monster freak and once they know what you like during sex, your experience will be better.

Statician.... You sound like the type of guy that walks into your room, throws her on the bed and through some sort of mental telepathy, tells her what to do next and expects her to know exactly what to do to please you.
Every guy likes something different and just how do you expect her to know what you like. Once the girl knows what you like, she will be more likely to do it for you.

I have one girl that knows that I like head in the sitting room before we go into the bedroom to fuck. She comes into my apartment, we talk for a few minutes, have a drink and then she pulls my pants down, blows me, takes the load into her mouth. Then we go into the bathroom, shower, go into the bedroom, take some photos and fuck for 2 hours. All for 100 reais. I see her at least twice during my visits.

Dick U
07-13-05, 14:33
Nodd,

You are exactly right. I expect her to perform what I like when we get into a room or a car or an elevator or what ever place. You see if you discuss all this upfront there is no disappointment. If her service is good, tip her like you would in a restaurant. If some body wants to make girlfriends out of them, I wish them loads of luck.

Kostaboda
07-13-05, 20:56
Hi fellow mongers,

I will be in Rio for my first time next week.

Can anyone tell me if the Martinique Hotel in Rio is girl friendly or not ?

Anyone in town right now? If you want to go chasing together, please pm me.

Thanks for all the helpful contributions!

Kosta

Trippleecks
07-13-05, 21:11
Statician, then you deserve whatever it is that she gives you. You don't sound like you want a girl. You sound like you want a machine. You sound just like the guys I see in Brazil that treat Brazilians like shit. I really hope they treat you in exactly the same way you treat them.

El Mujerista
07-13-05, 22:37
Jeez, guys. I don't care to be the moderator for this forum, but shit. I leave for a couple of weeks and youse guys are back at the politics and other BS. I would kindly suggest (again) that you just knock it off.

If you really would like a forum devoted to Brasilian politics/pricing etc. perhaps you could suggest to Jackson that he create such.

OK, to give some meaning to this post,...

On my last trip, I stayed at the Atlantico Copacabana Hotel, on Rua Siquera Campos. A short walk away from the Metró station. More important, within stumbling distance of L'uomo. Where I went twice. As posted earlier, did Laura and Luize there, with quite pleasing outcomes -- sweet Luize always wants to make sure I outcome twice...

I went to Solarium once. Great place, but jeez, getting there is getting to be such a *****. Traffic sux. Anyway, as posted earlier, did Camila there. Another pleasing outcome, if I might say so.

The Atlantico Copanacabana is a great hotel, executive rooms are like suites plus a sauna, downside is no view since they are only on the lower floors and whilst the bed area has air conditioning the rest of the room does not. Room had broadband Internet connection, but it was in the bedroom and would not have been convenient except I often travel with a wireless access point and was able to set that up to reach the only real workspace available, on a table in the "living room."

The Atlantico Copacabana is girl friendly, though they will ask her to show her passport/ID. Unlike some hotels I've been in Rio, they do not call to ask if it's OK to let the girl leave...

Happy Hunting,
EM

KnifeFish
07-14-05, 00:43
Jeez, guys. I don't care to be the moderator for this forum, but shit. I leave for a couple of weeks and youse guys are back at the politics and other BS. I would kindly suggest (again) that you just knock it off.

If you really would like a forum devoted to Brasilian politics/pricing etc. perhaps you could suggest to Jackson that he create such.

OK, to give some meaning to this post.

On my last trip, I stayed at the Atlantico Copacabana Hotel, on Rua Siquera Campos. A short walk away from the Metró station. More important, within stumbling distance of L'uomo. Where I went twice. As posted earlier, did Laura and Luize there, with quite pleasing outcomes -- sweet Luize always wants to make sure I outcome twice.

I went to Solarium once. Great place, but jeez, getting there is getting to be such a *****. Traffic sux. Anyway, as posted earlier, did Camila there. Another pleasing outcome, if I might say so.

The Atlantico Copanacabana is a great hotel, executive rooms are like suites plus a sauna, downside is no view since they are only on the lower floors and whilst the bed area has air conditioning the rest of the room does not. Room had broadband Internet connection, but it was in the bedroom and would not have been convenient except I often travel with a wireless access point and was able to set that up to reach the only real workspace available, on a table in the "living room."

The Atlantico Copacabana is girl friendly, though they will ask her to show her passport/ID. Unlike some hotels I've been in Rio, they do not call to ask if it's OK to let the girl leave.

Happy Hunting,
EMSome of us here type with both hands on the keyboard.

I guess once the 1000th person has reported that he got a BBBJ at Solarium, it all gets rather boring and pointless. Hence the more advanced members move on to deeper subjects.

Do you use a wheelchair by the way? Even the fact that the broadband socket wasn't just in the right place seemed to upset you.

Liucio
07-14-05, 01:24
I would like to hear the love stories.

Everyone hear has met that same daimond in the rough.

That same women is a first timer.

WOW, she works only on weekends and she's a first timer.

Some of these patients believe themselves.

I too fly 12 hrs away to be loved, caressed and respected for a night.

It feels great.

Can we share more love stories.

The litmus test is to go NUTH on any night and try to score.

Most of the college girls there speak some English.

Reality shits in your face.

Lets keep this place honest, so that Jackson doesn't have to clean up the shit that being babbled.

Liucio
07-14-05, 01:58
Statician,

There are so many of those women there at the Meia Pettaca tables receiving wires ( MONEY).

I have met some guys that swear the girl in the pictures he's bragging about have stopped selling themselves.

These guys are serious.

One guy sends a wire of money to a young women in Belo Horizonte every month on the same day. But she stills goes to RIO to work in the HIGH SEASON.

Some guys can separate their purpose of the visit, but most just fool themselves. I am sure you have read this, "OH, SHE WAS A FIRST TIMER".

Yea, and all you guys in this forum are first timers.

One Wing Low
07-14-05, 02:06
I picked up a girl that looked really good with the low lights inside Help . After we agreed on the deal and walked outside, she looked a lot worse under brighter lights. I should have just walked out on her, but being such a gentleman, I made the stupid mistake to honor my agreement.

When we got back to our hotel, she took off her party dress, which was hand sewn together to make her breasts stand out. Her body was way below average, her skin was tough with lots of blemishes. Her hands and feets had some serious blisters, typical of hard-working farm people. Furthermore she revealed a large patch of brown hairs on her back, just like a dog, a total turn off to me. I wasted my money nd time that night.

It's better to pick out the girls sitting outside of the club, where you have a lot of light to check the out carefully. Cops as many feels as you can get away with to make sure they are the soft, genteel type. Check for excessive hairs on the wrong spots (tough) and blisters on their hands and feet.

Or you could call the agencies and kick out those who don't meet your requirements.

[Nod N--I am curious, why do you call the chicks from MP and Help "street shit"?
Any issues here you would like to disclose to us?]

Liucio
07-14-05, 02:16
Give us the info on your trip:

Exchange rate?
New Talent?
Population at the tables (Meia Ptca)
Weather?
Any attempted robberies?
Negoiation prices?
Post up

Trippleecks
07-14-05, 12:09
I call them "street shit" because they are at the bottom of the barrel. They are usually the lowest in education, looks, talent and honesty. Never judge a girl solely based upon the price you pay. You just posted about the hairy one below that you met in Help Disco. That is a prime example of what I mean.

Rio Bob
07-14-05, 13:48
I picked up a girl that looked really good with the low lights inside Help . After we agreed on the deal and walked outside, she looked a lot worse under brighter lights. I should have just walked out on her, but being such a gentleman, I made the stupid mistake to honor my agreement.

When we got back to our hotel, she took off her party dress, which was hand sewn together to make her breasts stand out. Her body was way below average, her skin was tough with lots of blemishes. Her hands and feets had some serious blisters, typical of hard-working farm people. Furthermore she revealed a large patch of brown hairs on her back, just like a dog, a total turn off to me. I wasted my money nd time that night.

It's better to pick out the girls sitting outside of the club, where you have a lot of light to check the out carefully. Cops as many feels as you can get away with to make sure they are the soft, genteel type. Check for excessive hairs on the wrong spots (tough) and blisters on their hands and feet.

Or you could call the agencies and kick out those who don't meet your requirements.

[Nod N--I am curious, why do you call the chicks from MP and Help "street shit"?
Any issues here you would like to disclose to us?]

How much did this beast cost you?

Exec Talent
07-14-05, 14:28
One thing that might be really helpful here is a discussion of just how you determine you have selected a winner. In the termas, pretty much everything is out there, but outside, like in Help, it is not so easy.

Here is what I do. When I meet a girl in Help, I take her upstairs where the lights are better. Also, I let her walk up in front of me. Was that butt as nice as it looked on the dance floor? Then I take a look at her breasts? Does she have the heavy push up action going? Since I prefer the small breasted ones, usually this is not an issue. How many kids does she have? Most do and are pretty honest about it. If stretch marks bother you, you might want to take a pass. Chat a little while and see if you hit it off.

Finally, and most importantly, I check for dog-like hair growing on her back! That is usually a deal breaker for me!

Have fun and treat the girls with respect. It goes a long way and costs nothing.

RonnyRon
07-14-05, 16:24
One Wing Low,

I meet a lot of girls on the beach or the terma. Many are the same girl you see in Help. Very hard to hide what you look like with the sun up and a g-string on. It can be hard in Help. I check and make sure their hair is real. A couple of years ago my friend LBJ was down for the first time. He got with this girl who looked beautiful. Long hair and gray eyes. He got with her again this past April. I could not believe it was the same girl. The hair weave & contacts lens were gone and she had gained 20 pounds! She was quickly approaching wilder-beast status.

Luicio,

The exchange rate at the ATM was R2.38. I always use a jewelry store near Avenue Altantica & Princess Isabela. They gave me R2.60. There is always new talent, you just need to know where to look. The Mia Pataca scene was very quiet. More girls than guys and very few Americans. The girls were hungry. No $R300.00 a pop ballers to be found. The weather was nice, although one day it rained heavy all day. The DVD came in handy on that day. I did not witness any criminal acts. There was a news report of a bus getting robbed and the police stopped traffic on the main highway leading from the airport and killed some people during a shoot out with some gangs in the nearby favala.

My approach is different than most, so I don't believe price is relavent. One night after being on the beach we had a small pizza party at my friend's apartment. He had a very nice place with plenty to drink and music. Five guys and seven girls. One girl was willing to do BJs for $R30 or $R50 for everything and yes she was young and nice looking.

I agree with Nodd_n, Exec Talent & Rio Bob. Have fun and treat the girls with respect. I met one girl who spoke english well. Told me she had been on 200 interviews in 5 months and still didn't have a job. Their choices are few and until they give me a reason not to, I treat them with respect. It pays off for me at least.

RonnyRon

El Mujerista
07-15-05, 00:39
One thing that might be really helpful here is a discussion of just how you determine you have selected a winner. In the termas, pretty much everything is out there, but outside, like in Help, it is not so easy.

Here is what I do. When I meet a girl in Help, I take her upstairs where the lights are better. Also, I let her walk up in front of me. Was that butt as nice as it looked on the dance floor? Then I take a look at her breasts? Does she have the heavy push up action going? Since I prefer the small breasted ones, usually this is not an issue. How many kids does she have? Most do and are pretty honest about it. If stretch marks bother you, you might want to take a pass. Chat a little while and see if you hit it off.

Finally, and most importantly, I check for dog-like hair growing on her back! That is usually a deal breaker for me!

Have fun and treat the girls with respect. It goes a long way and costs nothing.Mr. Exec, I have to agree with everything you say. However, I would caution gents here that there are no foolproof answers to a ripoff at Help. For instance I followed all of the above with little Daniela I mentioned a while ago, and it was still a disappointing experience.

I would add to your list:

-- Blowjob without condom? (Chupada sem camazinha?) I have actually been asking this is a lot of places, but before this trip did not really find it an issue in Brazil. Now I will do it regularly.

Those chaps who wouldn't mind a CBJ may disregard.

Cheers and Happy Hunting,
EM

One Wing Low
07-15-05, 07:47
And she could have woke up and stolen everything I had in the hotel room.

What a stupid mistake.

It's far better to do multiple ST's. Get rif of them after you are done and look for new ones.


How much did this beast cost you?

Trippleecks
07-15-05, 11:35
I almost NEVER have them sleep over anymore. For one thing I'm a light sleeper and if they toss and turn all night I don't get any sleep.
You may or may not get another nut from them in the morning. They usually have some lame excuse whay they must leave early.
I prefer to call escort agencies now, have someone drop by, stay for 2 hours and LEAVE. Price is usually 140r - 180r depending on the agency I use.

A buddy of mine just sent me this URL. WWW.Riosbest.com
This is a freelance girls website where you call the girls directly, no middle man. The nice thing is that they offer translation services for those that do not speak any Portuguese. I think that you can even use the translation service to have them contact other escort agencies for you. Not a bad service.

Liucio
07-15-05, 13:23
Which is the preferred method for the new guys that arrive and why?

Which is the preferred method for the regulars (multiple trips/yr) and why?

Are guys having more problems with these girls touching their belongs in the room?

1.Prefer Termas to HELP
2.Prefer to kick them rather than have them over all night
3.HELP girls are getting aggressive in the apartment
4. Are you new guys tipping or straight fee?

RonnyRon thanks again forkeeping that place honest, and keeping the price reasonable.

I hear you didn't drop R$300 on girl

MrK
07-15-05, 17:11
I agree with Nodd. I don't have them stay over and just do ST or mainly go to the terma. Of course everyone should do what they like. I would also like to point out that it can be hit or miss at the termas. My favs are Luomo and Solarium. Solarium is a pain to get to if you are staying in Copa.

I've found that if you make a connection with most of the terma girls, they are glad to come over and entertain you. Watch out though, they can really get jealous. Try to learn a little portugese, it really helps.

El Mujerista
07-15-05, 21:46
Someone once said, "Men don't pay prostitutes to have sex -- they pay them to leave afterwards."

I used to enjoy ladies staying overnight, but will have to agree with some of the others that's it's no longer worth it much of the time. Let's face it, the main reason is to get another piece in the morning, and that can get a bit iffy, even if it's supposedly agreed beforehand. It's especially tough if one has to get up "early," like 08:00 or so, since many working girls normally sleep until mid-day and some may get a bit testy if asked to perform before then. (This is true everywhere, not just Brazil.)

EM only brings a garota to his hotel for the night if she agrees to half up front, the rest in the morning. In that case, if she decides to cut out or EM decides it wasn't worth it, both can get a reasonable deal and move on. Not all ladies will agree to this, but if they don't, EM will find someone who does.

Most hotels in Rio do have a safebox (though it might cost R$4 or so a day to use it, it's worth it) and I usually make sure just about everything I don't want to walk away is in there before bedtime, or otherwise fastened down ala the cable lock on my laptop.

Be careful and happy hunting,
EM

Gladiator
07-15-05, 22:16
You may or may not get another nut from them in the morning. They usually have some lame excuse whay they must leave early.


You have to clarify this in advance, it’s part of the contract, in fact I always clarify in advance:

1. How much they will get paid (after some negotiation)
2. Till what time they will stay
3. TLN means sex at night and sex in the morning
4. BBBJ is part of the menu
5. They will get paid in arrears

I’ve never had a problem, or to be more precise: I’ve had very few problems (they want to leave earlier, etc), which I sorted out by paying them a lower amount than that we first agreed.

The important point is to make things clear in advance and let them know that you are not the average sucker willing to throw away money without getting what you initially agreed.

Brazilman
07-15-05, 22:31
Question to the veterans in brazil. I am a few weeks away from my next trip, and I dont see the exchange rate getting any better. Do you think I can get away with paying 50 dollars a girl instead of the usual 150 to 200 reals? I don't know how much these girls keep up with the rate.

KnifeFish
07-15-05, 23:46
And she could have woke up and stolen everything I had in the hotel room.

What a stupid mistake.

It's far better to do multiple ST's. Get rif of them after you are done and look for new ones.Another tip, if you don't trust the girl 100% and have high value items in your room then just do the night at a motel instead. If you're staying at an upscale hotel, the fee you'll be charged for bringing the girl in maybe close to the price of a motel anyway.

Bubba Boy
07-16-05, 01:29
Number 1 rule: Never ever pay a GDP upfront.

I can't believe the amount of guys that still do this. Even friends I have taken to Rio and sat down and told them the "number 1 rule" still do it. If you have already paid her anything you have agreed will go out the window. Never, ever, ever pay a girl upfront.

El Mujerista
07-16-05, 02:40
If Gladiator and Bubba Boy are perhaps referring to my post, i was not suggesting the garota be paid before any services were rendered When I said "half up front", that meant that half payment will be made following a successful first act. Should there be a follow-up in the morning, price adjustment would be in order. I understand how the language I used may be misunderstood, and I hope that this will help clarify things.

Again, we all need to make sure the privider undetstands this stuff as well...

Happy Hunting,
EM

Liucio
07-16-05, 06:08
A while back there this young guy (20) that went to RIO for the first time and he was new to the whole scene. He met this girl at getting off the plane 3 hrs earlier. He met her near the Meia Ptca tables. He had taken over US$2,000 to Rio, with plan to stay a month. He met this girl and she told him to accompany her to her parents house so that they can meet him. She spoke no English, he no Portuguese. After keeping her close to his side so that no other gent would hire her they decide to visit her parents.

This is all on the first day he arrived, his first time there in RIO, alone. No friends, just heads he met at the tables.

They go to Rodoviaria bus station in Zona Norte and get a bus heading to her parents house.

After an hours ride the kid notices that Brazil isn't that great looking once you leave Rio. After an hour on the bus traveling he is getting nervous because he sees nothing but FLAVELAS to his left and right out of the window. The girl is making calls on the cellular, many calls, using the word Americano.

They arrive at a FLAVELA at night and he's a GRINGO in Brasil and outside of Brasil. He is scare as hell, he walks up some hills and in between some danky cement houses and he's scared.

Any he gets inside the small one room house with his girl and after a hour some guys come to the door and rob him.

He was left with no money and an hour outside of RIO. The girl was so distraught that she refused to help him.

He said he ran because there were no street lights and he reached a bar where some guys were watching football on a small black and white TV.
He begged for them to get him a TAXI and they did.

He took a TAXI all the way to his hotel in Copa. He ended up borrowing money from some heads at HELP to pay for the Taxi.

Now I see this girl often on the beach when I go to RIO.

The guy paid me back the money he borrowed to keep his trip afloat.

This was 4 years ago when the exchange rate was close to 4 to 1.

Becareful letting down your guard. These girls can take you.

Liucio
07-16-05, 06:21
I had a girl over to my apartment, after pulling her out of Barbarella's.

When she arrived, I still had my money on the desk and stuff, important stuff lying around the apartment.

She wanted me to take a shower first while she folds my laundry that was still on the bed.

She did not want to take a shower together. She wanted me in the bathroom and herself near my sh*t.

She must have gotten up to use the toilet six times in the night. I had to wake up with her to make sure she was not stealing from me.

She would walk on her tip toes but my eyes were open and I could see her scouting te place. But she never touched anything.

She would get up and look out of the window onto the street (I had no ocean view). She kept me awake all night trying to keep an eye on her.

that was the worst non-sleep in RIO I have ever had.

If you meet one you can trust good luck.

Trippleecks
07-16-05, 12:53
Brazilman ... they will most likely NOT take your $50.USD and insist on getting paid in Reais. Don't go to Brazil and try and pinch pennies, you won't have a good time.

For the guys worried about having a lot of expensive stuff in your room. Just bring a small padlock with you and put your stuff in your suitcase and lock it.

KnifeFish
07-16-05, 15:06
I had a girl over to my apartment, after pulling her out of Barbarella's.

When she arrived, I still had my money on the desk and stuff, important stuff lying around the apartment.

She wanted me to take a shower first while she folds my laundry that was still on the bed.

She did not want to take a shower together. She wanted me in the bathroom and herself near my sh*t.

She must have gotten up to use the toilet six times in the night. I had to wake up with her to make sure she was not stealing from me.

She would walk on her tip toes but my eyes were open and I could see her scouting te place. But she never touched anything.

She would get up and look out of the window onto the street (I had no ocean view). She kept me awake all night trying to keep an eye on her.

that was the worst non-sleep in RIO I have ever had.

If you meet one you can trust good luck.Was in a similar boat to you, however my room had two beds in it. This chick (which I kept my arm around so that she couldn't get up without disturbing me) said she was too hot and could I go sleep in the second bed. I refused, after a while when it became apparent that she wouldn't be able to get up without waking me , she jumped out of the bed in a rage then threw my stuff off the second bed and told me to sleep there. I laid on the second bed wide awake for 5 mins thinking, then climbed back into bed with her...

My suspicions were correct, a few days later another girl who I knew very well told me that this particular girl had stolen money from another guy she knew.

Langer
07-16-05, 15:54
Hi guys,

Does anyone have the address for termas 502 ?

Will be back in Rio on Monday if anyone wants to meet up for a beer and a visit to a termas/HELP etc. One place I want to go to in Rio is the Vila Mimosa area does anyone have any updated info on it?

Langer

Minimus
07-16-05, 16:02
Well, that guy who took the trip with the chica was basically asking for it IMHO. What idiot would go away with any girl far from his comfort zone, speaking no portuguese with, presumably if i'm reading the story right, a wad of cash that would have equalled close to 8000Rs. I mean really!

I hate to hear stories like that cause we all put ourselves in harms way but c'mon we have to be street smart. Someone should have told that guy he wasn't in Iowa anymore.

To the other monger who wants to pay $50, trust me when I tell you, the girls all know the exchange rate better than you do. You can pull anything over on them as far as that is concerned.

Bubba Boy
07-16-05, 16:41
Termas 502, Rua de Alfandega, 502, Centro.

If you are catching the Metro get off at Urugaiana station. Leave the station to your right. Then turn right at the street of Urugaiana, Alfandega will then be the first street on the left. If you come across Rua Beunos Aires you have gone 1 street to far (btw, 4x4 is in Rua BA). Follow Alfandega down until you almost hit the corner of Avinida Rio Branco and you should see the it. 4pm is a good time to hit it, if there is nothing there 4x4 and Terma65 are 1 and 2 blocks away.

If you do a chick at VM you are a braver man than me.......

Rio Bob
07-16-05, 20:54
Question to the veterans in brazil. I am a few weeks away from my next trip, and I dont see the exchange rate getting any better. Do you think I can get away with paying 50 dollars a girl instead of the usual 150 to 200 reals? I don't know how much these girls keep up with the rate.

Brazilman, what do you think she is going to do with that $50 when you give it to her, buy something in a grocery store with it? No, she can't she has to exchange it for reals like we all do , so guess what? She knows the exchange rate. Just go down and have a good time and don't worry about trying to outsmart these girls.

Bravo
07-16-05, 21:36
A while back there this young guy (20) that went to RIO for the first time and he was new to the whole scene. He met this girl at getting off the plane 3 hrs earlier. He met her near the Meia Ptca tables. He had taken over US$2,000 to Rio, with plan to stay a month. He met this girl and she told him to accompany her to her parents house so that they can meet him. She spoke no English, he no Portuguese. After keeping her close to his side so that no other gent would hire her they decide to visit her parents.

This is all on the first day he arrived, his first time there in RIO, alone. No friends, just heads he met at the tables.

They go to Rodoviaria bus station in Zona Norte and get a bus heading to her parents house.

After an hours ride the kid notices that Brazil isn't that great looking once you leave Rio. After an hour on the bus traveling he is getting nervous because he sees nothing but FLAVELAS to his left and right out of the window. The girl is making calls on the cellular, many calls, using the word Americano.

They arrive at a FLAVELA at night and he's a GRINGO in Brasil and outside of Brasil. He is scare as hell, he walks up some hills and in between some danky cement houses and he's scared.

Any he gets inside the small one room house with his girl and after a hour some guys come to the door and rob him.

He was left with no money and an hour outside of RIO. The girl was so distraught that she refused to help him.

He said he ran because there were no street lights and he reached a bar where some guys were watching football on a small black and white TV.
He begged for them to get him a TAXI and they did.

He took a TAXI all the way to his hotel in Copa. He ended up borrowing money from some heads at HELP to pay for the Taxi.

Now I see this girl often on the beach when I go to RIO.

The guy paid me back the money he borrowed to keep his trip afloat.

This was 4 years ago when the exchange rate was close to 4 to 1.

Becareful letting down your guard. These girls can take you.Too bad he didnt have an older monger to show him the ropes. QUick question. How much mony could he have possibly lost? I am sure he was walking around with the whole 2000 bucks in his pocket. Why not take the taxi to his hotel and grab the money out of the safe, instead of borrowing it from guys in front of help?

Liucio
07-16-05, 23:29
They all the the exchange rate they go to MAB's or the other end of COPA, where there is a jewelry store and get the rate.

Do your best negoitiations, use your head and walk the f*ck away at ridiculous prices.

We are trying to adjust price back to the market price so you can assist in the action. Therefore we all can enjoy the place and a better rate.

Liucio
07-17-05, 01:34
I received and e-mail form the Programa Garota Carla. She is about 25yrs, Blk, long hair and blue contact lens.

She says she is engaged with a gentleman from the States. She sent me a picture of the both of them both she blotted out his face.

She also took a photo of the ring on her finger.

My question is who would marry her?

She has been a Programa since, well I met her in 2000. So maybe she has been siting at those tables since she was 18.

So went men has been in her.

Lets say 1/day for 4 yrs excluding high season. Which could be 2 or 3/day.
Thats roughly 800 men.

Are you guys looking for fun or a wife?

I think she also shot an adult movie with some Americans form California.

Liucio
07-17-05, 02:09
We all have make som mistakes or bad choices when we meet these girls.
You can't say the guy had it coming.

You meet these girls on your first trip and you are taken aback.

You start to make unwise decisions especially if you think the girl is honest and on they level.

Liucio
07-17-05, 02:38
$R150-$R200 is not the usual price. You may be part of the problem.

Negoiate a better price stay close to $R100-$R120.

Read RonnyRon post
Look at RonnyRon's photos in the gallery. He pays the bottom prices.
No more than $R100.

Negoiate! Negoiate! Negoiate.

Live up to your name or Jackson will revoke it.

Do well and come back and make this forum proud.

Earn that name.

Enjoy your trip.

To Minimus,

I met a women while in Belo Horizone and she was not a Pro. She was a seasonal part-timer. I had a nice apartment that was in a nice area. I met her at her job, which was a shore store. Nice tall small waist, round ass, long hair.

She did not want to go out to dinner so we stayed in my apartment. She ask me to trust her, so I did I went shopping and bought food her her to cook dinner and breakfast.

Yes, I left her in my apartment alone while I did the shopping because she worked in the area and did not want her friends to see her working.

I was very nervous when I left the building I felt that I had violated every rule, leaving her in my apartment. But when I returned she was cleaning, she had showered, changed my bed linen and had cleaned up all my mess.

The apartment had no safe. She did not go in my drawer or touch my bags.

I ended up staying with me 3 nights in a row and she worked a the shoe 2 streets form my apartment.

She is the only piece of *ss I bang when I am in Belo Horizonte.

After work she would come to my apartment and we would take a taxi to Centro.

She stayed all night for three nights. When I left I gave her R$300.

I also had bought her son some pants and 2 shirts.

Yes, you can find one that you can trust.

But yes, becareful.

But yes you have to be careful.

Liucio
07-17-05, 05:11
07/16

Tonight I received am e-mail from my correspondent source in RIO.

4 Americano young men were beaten in front of Barbarellas. They were said to have been hassling the street workers that work in front of Barbarellas.

They were said to have been beaten for 8-10 Brasilian guys and girls.

Many people not invloved in fight joined in to beat the Americano's.

My opinion is they are less interested in bashing your and in and more interested in PULLING your WALLET from your pocket when your on the ground trying to cover your head from the kicks.

I will post more when I know more.

Liucio
07-17-05, 18:52
The fight in front of Barbarella's was nothing big. 4 Americano's fighting with women and men. 2 Americano's were cut in the face with an object, nothing serious. Police did not leave their car, there were no flashing lights form the police. The fight diffused on its own. No arrests.

Joe Writer
07-18-05, 00:49
I've been to Rio 6 times (or is it 5? it's becoming one big blur), and I'm very inconsistent in what I'm willing to pay a garota. Some nights at Help, I've been so "entranced" by a girl (all those caipivodkas and cervejas certainly didn't help) that the thought of negotiating was the furthest thing from my mind. My intention wasn't to drive up prices for my fellow mongers by overpaying, but sometimes the laws of economics take a back seat to the laws of nature.

Other nights I've been like some of you who reported you were more than happy to leave Help "sozinho" if you couldn't find a girl who'd meet your price. As long as you're willing to pay the intangible price of spending a night in Rio alone, it's a perfectly legit strategy.

Over the long haul, it all seems to have evened out for me. (And this is the real reason why Rio is the closest thing to Paradise I've ever found.) I don't know if it's luck or what, but for just about every real I've spent on a garota, I've had free sex with other working girls in Rio. I've only had long-term GFEs with a handful of garotas out of the countless ones I've paid, but the quality of the experience (sex, romance, etc.) is what counts.

I'm delusional enough to think that some of them really cared about me, and wanted to build a permanent relationship with a relatively poor writer from the States. But as I've done in most of my relationships at home, I've made sure to "sabotage" any chance of that happening. It's part of that Woody Allen (or was it Groucho Marx?) thing about not wanting to belong to any club that would have me as a member.

Trippleecks
07-18-05, 02:13
Come on guys, STOP quoting prices without the girls photos attached.
Some of the girls I have seen guys with you could not pay me to fuck. Yet they still brag about the 100 reais fuck they just had. Unless we can see what the 100 reais bought, the price you paid is pretty much a non issue.

Liucio
07-18-05, 02:30
Ronny Ron,

Go ahead and share the price of what you paid for the goratas in the photo.

Nodd, needs to know that it's possible to but a dime for a nickle.

If you don't mind RonnyRon tell Nodd what you paid, and what you pay on average.

Nodd it is possible to find a 9 or 10 without dropping R$200.

I completely understand what you are saying but it is possible.

Brazilman
07-18-05, 02:41
Liucio,

I checked Ronny's pictures, and no offense to Ronny, but those girls were skanks. I wouldn't bang them for 50r. Maybe the pictures dont do them justice, I don't know. When the rate was 2.9 to 1, the difference between 120 and 150r was nothing. Its now going to mean something, so it looks like 120 for this trip. The problem with paying 100 r is I like to get girls from the thermas to come to my hotel and they wont come for less than 150 because they already make that at work. I've done some hot girls for 100r, but it's usually a repeat They are used to 150 at work, and if they are hot, they wont come to your pad for 100r. I'm sorry, but it aint happening, unless you know them and they feel safe with you. As far as me being the problem. i disagree. It's the dopes paying 100 to 200 US that are the problems. The fact that these girls at barbarells even utter the words 200US is shameful. That would end quickly, if we can at least get guys to stop paying 100 or more dollars for a girl. Than we can worruy about the 200R. Although, 200r is slowly turning into 100 dollars.

KnifeFish
07-18-05, 02:47
The fight in front of Barbarella's was nothing big. 4 Americano's fighting with women and men. 2 Americano's were cut in the face with an object, nothing serious. Police did not leave their car, there were no flashing lights form the police. The fight diffused on its own. No arrests.Generally if a gringo is in a dispute with a Brazilian, other Brazilians will help their countrymen irrespective of who is right or wrong. I've experienced this first hand when a taxi driver overcharged me, I refused to pay the extra, within less than a minute a posse had assembled all saying I MUST pay the guy. I called the hotel receptionist , he came out and took the taxi drivers side as well (and I'd tipped him well previously), couldn't fuc+in believe it! Checked out the next morning and moved to another hotel.

Langer
07-18-05, 05:47
Went to Luomo tonight got there very late about 10 (they close at 12), what a let down, there were no good looking girls there, all 5s or 6s, maybe it was because I was so late.

The whole place was quite only about 6 or 7 guys there, and about 12 girls.

Anyway had a slim. 25 year old, she was ok looking about a 6, but not so great in the sack.

Brazilman
07-18-05, 09:44
I think the reason Luomo has gone downhill, or is such a hit and miss, is the girls are forced to work 6 days a week. This is what some of the girls, that moved elsewhere, have told me. They are worked to death there. Its a shame these girls cant work a 5 day week.

Liucio
07-18-05, 12:58
A great many of these girls may be working over seas. This is the season for them to be over seas, especially they 9's and 10's. They make more in the season right now, overseas.

Mex005
07-18-05, 16:06
Hi,

I will be in Rio next week, and I had the intention to try barravips.com.br.

Has anyone experience with this escort service? Are they located in Barra?

Besides Karlamodels, anymore recommendations?

Thanks,

Mex

Pyjama
07-18-05, 16:37
by my own experience i know brazilian girls can make really hot sex, pros or non-pros. fucking, sucking, anal, no problem :-)

but what about some special wishes? what do you guys know about brazilian girls when it comes to fisting or "[CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103)"?? any advice apreciated!

and how about that: turned out that i am on holiday for 9.5 weeks (!!!), all august/september! of course i will be travelling somewhere, but where? brazil again? thailand/sea? even africa, for the brave? unfortunately i am a bit on a budget :-( but not a backpacker :-)

pyjama

RonnyRon
07-18-05, 19:13
Brazilman,

We are all entitle to our opinions. Just do me one favor. Post some photos. Fair? If you have been going to Rio for a few years, surely you have some photos, no? Barbarellas is said have some of Rio's most beautiful women. I was not impressed. That's just my opinion. By the way many of the photos I have posted in the last year were of girls from the termas.

RonnyRon

MrK
07-18-05, 19:23
I have never been robbed or ripped off in Rio and I have gone almost a dozen times and have stayed for over a month several times but I follow these rules:

Do not wear anything fancy (like a watch, jewelry, etc.) or carry anything expensive like a laptop or camera.

Late at night, take a cab. If you want to get drunk, go in a group and still take a cab.

If you are searching for an all nighter, pay for the safe and use the safe

If you don't know the area, don't go wandering around

Get a map, learn a little Portugese, read this forum.

As for the termas, IMHO it can be hit or miss. It also depends on what you are looking for. Remember that in Rio, it is more about the bunda (the butt) then the chest. My best experiences have been with a 6 or 7. I still like to try the 8s or 9s but rarely find a great one.

RonnyRon
07-18-05, 22:22
For all traveling to Rio, MrK's advice is well worth following. I have traveled to Rio many times and have never been robbed or ripped off. I follow his rules.

Also, be aware that the street where Barbarellas sits, Prado Junnior should be avoided late at night. Between the hours of 1:00-5:00AM it is a hotbed of drug transactions where groups of young Brazilian criminals congregate. Never cross the street in front and walk alone or in a group through this crowd. I did when I was in Rio in April. My buddy and I were out at about 4:00AM and went and had something to eat at the restuarant across the street from Barbarellas. This place is open all night and lot of working girls come there after Help. We didn't have any problems but if I knew then what I know now, I would not have walked around that corner.

You are very safe inside of Barbarellas and right in front where there are usually two or three doormen. If you go, use a cab, which is pretty much what you should do late at night any time you travel around Copacabana.

I attached a small map of the area. Ave. Prado Junior runs parallel to Ave Princess Isabel, which is the street represented by the thick red line. Barbarellas is at the corner of Ave. Prado Junior and Viverio De Castro.

I have learned many things, since my first trip to Rio. Once my friend Elaine and I walked at night from Copacabana to Botofoga shopping center and back, just to go to the movies. I had no idea what kind of danger I was in. Perhap I blend in well. I don't know, but I do know that I would not do that again.

On another trip my buddy Doc and I went to VM and because there was a lot of LE activity and the street was jammed we walked out to the main road. Again this is something you should not do. Most mongering spots in Rio are completely safe once your inside, but the areas surrounding them can be very dangerous.

Rio as one senior contributor put it is Fantasy Island. Brazilian like to say "God made the world in 6 days. On the seventh he made Rio!" If you keep your wits about you, you'll be safe and have the time of your life.

RonnyRon

Lorenzo
07-19-05, 00:07
Liucio,

Two Americans were "cut in the face with an object" and you consider that "nothing serious?" What exactly DO you consider serious...getting disemboweled, maybe? You must surely be from another planet.

Lorenzo

Royalflush
07-19-05, 01:34
If you're taking a cab from Barbarellas, I would walk around the corner from the building to get one. I made the mistake of getting into a cab that the doorman waived over and the guy tried to charge me a flat rate that was more than double the meter rate. Got him to stop the car a block later and paid him nothing, but not before he reached around the seat and tried to grab me by the neck. I was with a girl and didn't want to get into it any further. Doormen and cab drivers are in it together. Fuckers. The girl got a little turned on by it, though.

Trippleecks
07-19-05, 01:50
That could just be another example of 4 fools acting like they own Brazil. How many times must it be said. When you're in a foreign country don't be stupid and cause trouble. No matter how many of you there are in your group there are always a lot more locals willing to kick your ass. They most likely got what they asked for. I feel no sympathy for them.

Royalflush
07-19-05, 02:19
As for pricing at Barbarellas (a place that I actually like), I never paid more than 200R. There are some girls who will try to charge more, but they're only trolling for suckers. Last time I was in Barbarellas, I felt like a rock star, every girl in the place came by my table and tried to sit down. I just sat and conducted interviews. I finally left with someone who was arguably the best looking girl that evening. 200R--and she was nicer looking than 99% of the photos I've seen on this board, IMHO.

Desperate men generally don't negotiate well, but I have nothing against them for doing what it takes to experience their fantasy. They make it possible for me to have mine at a discount.

Langer
07-19-05, 03:39
Went to 4x4 tonight and it was full as usual, loads of Americans and a couple of Europeans so the word must be out.

Spent a few hours looking around and having fun, took a blond with big fake tits called Lana to the cabin for an hour. On thing I didn´t like she left me in the cabin for 20 mins on my own, so I got her to call the desk and tell them to add the time on. Which they did. She was good when she got going.

Another problem in that place is the way the front desk always ask for a tip. Like they did any work!! Maybe the GDP, the cloakroom lady, the bar girls but the front desk. They only ever do this to tourists. I just smiled, said NO, why should I tip you, are you going to give me a discount next time?

Langer

Liucio
07-19-05, 05:58
That area in front of Barbarell's is always populated with guys and street walkers. Those cars pull up and the guys go to the cars. It could be rife with drug dealing. 7 nights aweek that small street is packed and always dark, or dimmly lit. A car pulls up a guy runs over leans in the window and the car pulls off. It has all night. Those street walker in front of Brabarella's leaning up against those cars look as though they are on drugs. I would not trust one of those girls.

I once rented an apartment in the building next to the Pharmcia on that street. And at 3am you could look down upon the street and see a crowd standing on the corner stoping cars and being loud, shouting, laughing and singing.

Maybe someone said something and Brasilians being Moncho couldn't resist the temptation. Those street walkers can be aggresive also, especially if they are in a group.

There is an armed security guy in the Pharmacia all night, but I guess his job is not to leave that store.

I guess we can all play it more safe.

Liucio
07-19-05, 07:01
I was ripped off by a garota in the past but never robbed.

I was in RIO on my own doing well, then I met a genta knew from way back when at the tables.

We met one night went from place to place not really looking for women but just talking.

And it was a nice night in Feb, about a few weeks before Carnival. This is a couple of years ago.

We choose not to take a cab from MAB's to HELP. Be were being size up form all angles as I look back on it.

But the odd thing is, that is was not late at night (11pm).

There were many families walking and couples walking along the other side of the rua.

But the gent I was with talks loud and laughs loud. Just a loud gent.
He always emotional when he speaks and you can hear him from a distance.

As we started our walk towards HELP there were 3 guys behind us at a far distance and there were 2 other guys on the beach side of the street. Then they crossed the street on to that small island that separates Avenida Atlantica. And there were 2 guys in front of us. The 2 guys in front kept looking back and closing the distance by letting us catch up with them because they were walking very slow.

There are couples walking by and were passing parked policia cars and these guys have SCOPED UP.

The guys in back kept closing in faster, stopping to pretend to look at art work, and necklaces.

I try to tell the gent that is with me that we are being followed but he did'nt get it. He kept talking, kept rambling.

I swear I thik I saw the guys on the island crossing over to meet us pull a small starter pistal or .22 cal gun from his shorts but, may be it was my mind racing.

But something was pulled from the shorts and it had a metallic shine to it. So it was so kind of weapon if not a gun.

As they are crossing over waiting for a clear break in the traffic and the other 2 guys behind now walking faster in there flip flops and the 2 guys in front stopped at the corner but on the other side of the street. With 1 under the phone booth pretending to be on the phone and the other inland to box us in form all sides.

We arrive at the corner and a taxi races by but misses the light and is stopped 2 meters in front to the right of us.

No one is in the taxi and the front windows are down.

I took the to largest stepps my life towards that taxi.

And opened that door, with the swiftest yank.

The guy I knew got in back and 5 long seconds later the light changed and we were gone.

I looked back while we were driving and all those guys were together and they were following us.

They congretated at that corner then they split up again.

I said f*ck HELP, I'm going to my apartment.

The other guy thought I was imaging the entire scenario.

He continued to HELP, I to my apartment.

The realization is- you can become synical, and paranoid about safe, but that good. Its keeps you on your toes.

BELIEVE ME, you DO NOTwant to be putting ice on your face and wrapping you waist in GAUZE CLOTH in RIO.

I am the most caution there. Too cautious

Lover Boy #2
07-19-05, 07:29
"2 Americano's were cut in the face with an object, nothing serious. Police did not leave their car, there were no flashing lights form the police".

Liucio,

I don't think the police in Brasil leave their car unless they have killed an innocent bystander and need to place a weapon on the bystander. These are the same scum bags that kill people (yes criminals probably), cut their heads off and try to dispose of the head behind their police station. They usually don't exit their vehicles unless there is something shiney on the pavement either. The two guys who were cut...they might think it was serious. Also, they usually don't turn on the lights unless they are going to shake you down for a few pieces of paper money or jewelry...cut faces don't count. Yes Liucio, these policemen are the lowest scum on earth and possibly one of the worst group of civil servants anywhere (inc. my observations in Africa, Asia and the Middle East). Brasil police = scum (for the most part....I am sure there are some good ones hiding somewhere in fear of their lives).

Trippleecks
07-19-05, 11:48
Liucio .... not too bright, walking from Mabs to Help at night. Even at 11PM it's a dumb idea, especially when a taxi only costs 5 reais. When will you guys learn. TAKE CABS at night!!!!!

Zorglub
07-20-05, 01:42
For all traveling to Rio, MrK's advice is well worth following. I have traveled to Rio many times and have never been robbed or ripped off. I follow his rules.

Also, be aware that the street where Barbarellas sits, Prado Junnior should be avoided late at night. Between the hours of 1:00-5:00AM it is a hotbed of drug transactions where groups of young Brazilian criminals congregate. Never cross the street in front and walk alone or in a group through this crowd. I did when I was in Rio in April. My buddy and I were out at about 4:00AM and went and had something to eat at the restuarant across the street from Barbarellas. This place is open all night and lot of working girls come there after Help. We didn't have any problems but if I knew then what I know now, I would not have walked around that corner.

You are very safe inside of Barbarellas and right in front where there are usually two or three doormen. If you go, use a cab, which is pretty much what you should do late at night any time you travel around Copacabana.

I attached a small map of the area. Ave. Prado Junior runs parallel to Ave Princess Isabel, which is the street represented by the thick red line. Barbarellas is at the corner of Ave. Prado Junior and Viverio De Castro.

I have learned many things, since my first trip to Rio. Once my friend Elaine and I walked at night from Copacabana to Botofoga shopping center and back, just to go to the movies. I had no idea what kind of danger I was in. Perhap I blend in well. I don't know, but I do know that I would not do that again.

On another trip my buddy Doc and I went to VM and because there was a lot of LE activity and the street was jammed we walked out to the main road. Again this is something you should not do. Most mongering spots in Rio are completely safe once your inside, but the areas surrounding them can be very dangerous.

Rio as one senior contributor put it is Fantasy Island. Brazilian like to say "God made the world in 6 days. On the seventh he made Rio!" If you keep your wits about you, you'll be safe and have the time of your life.

RonnyRon



RonnyRon

I am somewhat surprised by your statement.

I have been many times to Rio (every time 1 month stay) and rent an appartement in rua Ronaldo de Carvalho for the last three times (which is one or two blocks from Barbarella).
The restaurant you`re refeering to must be "Nogueira" which I went many times around 4 inthe morning (cause I like to have a good soup at the end of the night).
I never had any problems walking back to my place (alone or with a garota) although I notice many drunk brasileiros sitting or standing on the sidewalks.

Now I am not saying that you are wrong , and maybe I was lucky.

Just to tell you that I don`t see Prado Junior street as scary as you do.

Lover Boy #2
07-20-05, 07:51
There are always those who have been super lucky and don't see how anything can happen to anyone in a given spot. I have been guilty of this too. But then one day bad luck strikes and now everything can come into focus. You have to be careful and use both heads in Rio and other places around the globe. Trouble lurks in the best areas and surely in the worst.

Sal Dali
07-20-05, 15:19
The last two times that I stayed in RJ, I did NOT stay in Copa or Ipanema, but rather in Flamengo & then in Cantes. Found a small apt for 280 reais for the week (in Cantes) and it was IMMEDIATELY next to the metro station. (Granted, finding this good an apartment deal again may be difficult.) The praca there was well-lit, safe, a movie theatre immediate on the square, supermarket, shops, etc. Agencies had no problem sending folks to me, the doorman was polite, and I walked around at night without the normal high alert state (although I'm never off guard . . . hell, it's not home).

During the middle of my last stay, I had to go through Copa to visit a friend. Beautiful day, weather was in the upper 70's, walking along with a friend on the sidewalk adjacent to the beach on Avenida Atlantica & . . .shoe-shit boy nails my sandals.

Outside of Copa, this sort of thing doesn't happen to me. I'm sure bad things COULD happen, but its so concentrated in that area because WE (the tourists) are there. So, as a intelligent and increasingly impatient hobbyist, I decided to leave the Copa area because I got tired of that kind of crap interrupting my fun.

Off hobby I have traveled to Brasilia, Fortaleza, Sao Luis, Sampa. Never had a problem at all. ONE HOUR into Copa and I'm dealing with stupidity. So, I'm taking my hobby dollars away from there. Besides, Help and the other concentrated sites are no longer that interesting to me. Having an uninterupted good time IS interesting to me.

Peace.

S




[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]There are always those who have been super lucky and don't see how anything can happen to anyone in a given spot. I have been guilty of this too. QUOTE]

Langer
07-20-05, 16:03
Went to Therma 502 (near 4x4 on a road across the other side of Av Rio Blanco) yesterday about 7 in the evening. It was full of girls and many brazilian guys. R$10 to get in and R$112 for a cabin for an hour. You could take a girl for 20mins for R$70 Choice of girls was ok, but the girls didn´t seem as motivated as usual. This place is a bit different than the other places i´ve been. For a start there is no robe or locker, you stay in your normal clothes. Which as it was raining heavy yesterday was a bit uncomfortable. Also you would have to be careful with your money. So come prepared!!

You pay for the girl before you go to the cabin and then pay for drinks on the way out. When I was leaving they had added some extra drinks i didn´t have on the bill so i had to get them to change my bill, which they did without a problem.

Again on the way out the doorman starts asking for a tip, they only do this with Americans. Don´t get me wrong I don´t mind tipping in general, but this is different. I just looked at him and said no, asked him if he asked Brazilians for a tip, he just said no!! Makes no difference the next time you go back, they just don´t treat you like an American idiot.

Langer

Brazilman
07-20-05, 16:23
For all the guys that say this place is safe and that place is safe, and don't worry about anything. It's naive to say this. Here is my opinion. You should always be concerned and look behind you whenever your walking at night. Personaly, I have never had a problem in Rio. I've never been robbed, BUT it doesnt mean nothing will happen in the future. You always need to be on your guard and dont dress nice. Jeans and a tshirt, or shorts in the day, is always my attire. Remember, murder seems to be legal in this country. You think the cops are going to arrest your killer. This isn't the tv show "24". Hell, if that show was about Brazil, that show would be called 3 1/2. (for those that dont dont watch the show, I'm sorry. Best tv show ever. For those that do. You understand my joke)

RonnyRon
07-20-05, 17:25
Zorglub,

The information about Prado Junior I posted was not because of is any type of negative act I actually experienced. I hope I never do. The information was based on a conversation I had with a young lady who grew up and lives in Leme. She advised me to be careful in that area at that time of the night. Since she lives there and I do not, I took what she said as truth. I believe it's better to be safe than sorry.

I too have walked down Prado Junior late at night several times with no problem. Mostly I only saw homeless going to sleep, but in April I did notice a group of younger Brazilian men that I had not seen before and many more SWers. Had she not said anything I wouldn't have thought anything.

It is not my intent to scare anyone, but Copacabana has changed over the past 2 years. I don't really know why. Maybe because of the influx of Americans or because of our current administration. Brazilians hate GWB. Our previous President was a monger's kind of guy, which got him in trouble.

Like Chris Rock, I am conservative regarding taxes and liberal regarding prostitution.

RonnyRon

Zorglub
07-21-05, 01:01
Yeah , most folks on this forum are right!

I am not smarter than anybody here but try to be as low key as I can be (sorry english is not my current language but I guess you noticed)

I spent so many nights in Rio without having problems that I must be really lucky.
Of course , I stay in the south zone at night.
I had problems with a bunch of little kids surrounding me at Help`s door stuffing their hands in my pockets at 5 am but did not succeed, (they were 8-10 years old at most) ,

A GDP punched me in the face at 5 am cause I did not want to bring her to my appartement (never expect that kind of thing , and beleive me , I bring lots of them to my place)

So , that`s Rio with all the good things and the bad ones.

And like I always say paradise is not on earth, so appreciate what you can and where you can.

Hi all

Liucio
07-21-05, 06:37
Come'on guys anything is possible given the odds.

It's no different than IRAQ, if your constanly redeployed there and do long details there, your number is bound to come up.

Its a numbers game. If you go to Rio enough and stay long enough and engage in high risk behavior, ( walking at night, in neighborhod not knowing language, flashing foreign currency) your number will come up.

It can range from a simple snatch & grab to a strong arm that ended in a murder.

I have met many guys who say " aint nobody taking shit from me, I'm from D.C."

Would you actually stand tall and fight in RIO for $R80?

Really would you?

I know everybody here is hardcore brawler. Evander Hollyfield types.

But would you resist a robbery in RIO.

Pride is the only thing left, right.

With the crime rate in RIO topping highs and the non lawenforcement reaction.

Given, if I was a guy there with no job, but a gun and some tourist - wealthy tourist.
Where one successful robbery can sustain my habits for 2 months, be serious- you are my victim.

I am seeking you at every dark corner.

I've stood at the suco stand and witnessed tourist pulling out WADS of Reais.
Over R$200, to spend at a SUCO stand! Money falling on the ground, while they are trying to pull it out of their pocket.

Their are guys sitting on parked cars on the side of HELP and BOB's watching tourist entertain 6 womens with 3 bottles of fine liquor and passing BIG money back and forth and you think these guys are just leaning against these cars all night for no reason. Com'on

Use the IRAQ analogy, -
sooner or later a:
SNIPER
CAR BOMB
ROAD SIDE BOMB
SUICIDE BOMBER
FRIENDLY FIRE
something will get you.

Similar to RIO, sooner or later you have to get robbed if you stay long enough and go often enough --provided you make a mistake- a bad judgement call - your timing could be off. But it may take a mistake, from yourself for this to happen, one small error in judgement.

The crime rate is just to high to be other wise.

Be honest you are the target, you got the money, you are the target.

Its a crime of economics.

They don't want 2 kill you.

Just take your money.

You could turn it into a murder, but let it be a robbery.

Mayb not on this trip or the next, or on your next 6 trips.

But the law of averages says with those crime statistics your number will pop-up.

Just remember let it be a robbery, and not a murder, or a stabbing.

Again you do not want to be wrapping yourself in gauze in Rio.

It's hard to find ice to put on your face to stop the bleeding and swelling.

Keep what you have been doing to stay safe. You know the rules.

Trippleecks
07-21-05, 13:13
Liucio ... I CAN'T believe you are actually comparing Rio to Iraq. When was the last time an American was bombed, shot or beheaded in Copacabana?
You may get robbed but Killed !!!!!!!! Like I said before, everyone listen to Liucio, he's the EXPERT on RIO...

El Apodo
07-21-05, 13:16
Would you actually stand tall and fight in RIO for $R80?



I can proudly say that although I haven't been hasseled on my trips to Rio, my current plan if it does happen goes something like this.

Throw the small bill change I usually keep in my front pocket straight up in the air and run like the scared gurly man that I am. I figure the adrenaline rush alone will allow me to push the 100 m world record.

I'm actually glad that there are those who will "cowboy up" and fight for their R80. They take the attention away from me while I slide into a cab and head to the hotel for a little fun. You studs keep it up!

EA

Perkele
07-21-05, 16:26
Oh yeah!

Its so clear, Brasil is just like Iraq for AMERICANS. That's the only thing that is in common with these countries. Brasilians just hate americans, just like just about everyone else. If you are a GRINGO but not an american learn to say "eu nao sou americano, sou ....." and you'll be just fine.

Stay under radar. Don't show off! Be cool and respectful (even working girls expect respect) and you'll be just fine.

Liucio got one thing wrong, nobody's marking just you as a next victim most robberies happen because you are unlucky. Brasilians are like dogs, they roam in packs and if they think that they can take you they'll try. Actually these guys in Help are stalking the GIRLS! They are looking for a girl who has a good customer with lots of money and they'll follow them to his hotel etc. and when the girl comes out with the money she just made they'll rob her. Easier and safer, no hazzle.

Anyway Copacabana has changed in last 2 years. More trouble. Anyway going around with a cab is SO cheap that why wouldn't you do that. Walking after the sunset is just plain stupid.

P

Langer
07-21-05, 17:30
Went to Termas Rio Antigo in Gloria last night, someone told me it was closed but when I got there it was open as usual. This therma has a great sauna and a nice bar area, better than most others.

There were not many guys there but loads of girls!! I never understand why this place is not more popular, took a great looking 20 year old for an hour, she was great. BBBJ, CIM, etc.

Anyway is there anyone actually in Rio fucking women at the moment or are you all just talking about prices and robbery!! The message on these is, don´t over pay and take due care on the street, simple really. No need for the long rambling urban myth type contributions of some.

Do any of you guys have any news on Solarium or Monte Carlo? Quality of women etc.

Also does anyone know a good place for morning time action say 9am - 2pm

Make love early, make love often!!
Langer

Brazilman
07-21-05, 18:38
The bottom line is this: You're going to die anyway. No one escapes death. Just be careful and dont act and dress like an ass. If you still are murdered, so be it, it's going to happen anyway.

Macunaima
07-21-05, 20:56
Brazil = IRAQ?

Lucio,

If you can't tell the difference between having your wallet taken and your head chopped off, then you have some severe reality perception problems.