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Almotu
07-21-05, 22:31
To anyone worried about the exchange rate, I just left Rio and I am now in Sao Paulo. I got $R2.45 per $1USD. The websites x-rates.com and oanda.com are still reporting $R2.35 so I am a bit surprised that I am getting a much better rate. Probably will help if you exchange a large amount at a time (>$500)

I agree with Langer, let's keep on topic. Termas Rio Antigo is clearly underreported, could you post the particulars - entry fee, session for the girl, room fee, duration?

I was in Monte Carlo, last week and there were about 25 women there at 8pm. Nothing great, the girls seem a bit thick for my taste. There were a lot of fake blondes with huge white asses! Not much silicone yet though, thank GOD! I went with a 26y.o. who was very attentive, smooth as silk BBBJ, body still in great shape, high, firm breasts nice cabine session. The only minus was when my session was over and returned to the bar, she did not spend much more time with me. She went after her next JOHN straight away! Did not make it to Solarium.

KnifeFish
07-22-05, 00:19
FWIW, I know a few people who have been robbed in Rio. All were attacked in the same way.

- Jumped on from behind with surprise attack.

- One perp gets the victim in a headlock.

- He chokes the victim till he passes out or another perp hits the victim on the head with bottle,brick whatever.

- Meanwhile another goes through the victims pockets etc.

- The cops, passers-by do absolutely F*CK All.

This info is imprinted on my brain!

Had an attempt on me a few years back, had been sitting at the pizza van infront of Help, left my buddies walked down the side road, it was 6am and daylight, old ladies already walking up and down in front of the beach.

A kid about 10-12 years appeared from nowhere in front of me(crouched down between parked cars) and moved to intercept from a short distance( he held his hand up saying "tranquillo, tranquillo") , maybe 6-8 ft away. Brain kicked in overdrive, turned slightly, in my peripheral vision saw two bodies coming up very close behind, turned a 90 and ran across the road and down a side street until I got to the next block.

If I'd paused for 1 second they would have been all over me, you need to react fast to stay out of trouble. In my experience , surprise seems to be their biggest weapon and when they lose it they back off in most circumstances. On other occasions, guys have been scoping me out, as soon as they realise I've made them they back off.

The other thing I can't stress enough, you are on your OWN, nobody will help you, even the police.

Also watch for guys on mountain bikes, usually they approach and say they have a gun,knife up their shirt. A few people have called their bluff and the guy on the bike rides off.

Tranny's are also pretty dangerous. Saw one in a dispute, the thing pulled a telescopic metal batton from its bag. Pickpocketing is their favorite game.

Rio Bob
07-22-05, 02:34
Also does anyone know a good place for morning time action say 9am - 2pm

Make love early, make love often!!
Langer

I can't imagine that any places are open at that time, but if I was looking at that time, i would check out the agencies of escorts or independents for example http://www.escortgirl.com.br/ call ahead of time and see who is available at that time of the day. You may find some on this site that only work those hours and if you cant go to your hotel for some reason then you can take them to a motel.

Liucio
07-22-05, 06:29
I was not making a comparison in the literal sense.

I point was that if you go often enough, and stay long enough that there is a high probability that you will be a victim of a street crime.

Thats all.

Just pointing out the possibilities based on the crime rate.

I guess my analogy was missed in the uproar.

Nodd, you are the expert, I take my Q from you.

There are guys that want to discuss the termas, and they want info on the termas so lets stick to helping them on that.

I rated SOLARIUM the best.

I went there in MAY. I also visited 3 other termas but SOLARIUM was the best overall because:

1. Was not busy. (4pm & 10pm)
2. More diversity (2 amazonians ) Marisa & ?
3. More relaxing atmos, I was not hounded.
4. Before I went up stairs I got to play around with my fingers btwn some legs.
5. Got 4 cell number for hire on off days.

Go across the street for dinner afterwards.

Many college girls show up. Nice restaurant.

Liucio
07-22-05, 06:51
Langer,

Go 2 Monte Carlo have money in your hand and ask if you can look around. Be very nice when asking or they will say no. The girl at the dsek is no friendly but you have to charm her. But have your money in hand so that they see you are coming in.

For 9am, get an escort. Make arrangements the night before, it is very possible. This would work better.

Langer, get cell numbers you will find that these girls can be much better than sitting at the Mea Pettaca tables all day. Get cell numbers from terma girls, I do and its better.

Perkele,

They roam around in packs like dogs? What would make you say this?

Bubba Boy
07-22-05, 21:08
The place officially opens at 2pm and closes at midnight. Entrance R50, girl+room R140. Slightly cheaper than Monte, L'uomo etc.

Best time to arrive is around 5pm, any earlier and not everyone has arrived yet and you will be most likely be the only guy there. Generally does not get packed by men at any time, mostly Brasilian men as clients who tend to grab one girl and sit on her for a couple of hours.

I personally know a gem that works there but other girls seem to be a 1/2 notch below the standard of looks one would like. Still it only takes 1 babe to make your night.

Fido Dido
07-22-05, 21:22
Just like Langer and Almotu I do agree that the therma Rio Antigo in Gloria is very much underrated. The accomodation is recently renovated and very nice. Better then any other therma in Rio. Also the personel is very helpfull (not only the garotta's).

Adress is:

Rio Antigo
Joaquim Silva 2
Gloria
telephone +55 (21) 2224 9591

It is located near Centro (close by the cathedral and the arcs of Lapa). In daytime you can get there by metro and then it is a 5 minutes walk. At night I would take a cab.

I had several times a lot of fun with ANDREA. She is a bit older but she has great skills and is very funny. Please do send ANDREA the regards of Antonio.

Prices are:

Entrance: $R 50
Room $R 50 / $R 70
Garota $R 120 (40 minutes)

I think an an hour is a total of $R 200 and $R 250 if you take a jaccuzi (ask at the front desk).

Only open on working days 14h00 till 24h00.

Things to remember:

quero boquete sim camishina = BBBJ (although this is very normal at RA).
quero goza na buca = CIM (also considered pretty normal there).

Monte Carlo: nice girls but not good looking.

Solarium: good looking but a bad attitude.

Centaurus: good looking, very bad attitude and very expensive.

Antonio

Liucio
07-23-05, 05:08
A couple of years ago their were some guys arriving in Brazil with these KITS to test for HIV exposure.

They were asking girls to take the test and if the girls passed, these guys would pay them a premium to go with condom.

I remember sitting at the Meia Pettaca tables and these American guys were trying to sell those KITS.

Them I was once in a terma in Centro, which know has closed. The place was not to decent. But the girl there ask me if I wanted to f*ck w/o condom.

Her want were "no problem". She said in Portuguese that she passed the test.
I guess these guys went all over RIO, testing or trying to test girls, so that they can convince themselves that there was no risk.

There is this girl that works in Botafogo in a hair salon that f*cking kicks all HELP girls ass. She has 2 b the finest in that shit hole country.

But she isn't for sale and she wouldn't date a gringo anyway.

Everytime I arrive in RIO, I stop by to chat with her. She loves my accent.

I always waste a night taking her on the town with the hopes of Banging her fine ass up the ass. Guys she is just that fine, to waste a night ($R80) on her and not scoring.

She is high quality TERMA type but not for sale.

Langer
07-23-05, 05:51
Went to Solarium tonight, it was very quite, but a few nice women. Got talking to a 20 year old who had good English, she told me she was just back from Paris, where she is a student learning French!! (i.e a W***e) Anyway says she use to work in Termas 65 and Centarus. She had a good body, not wonderful but good, nice tits about an 8 overall. Went to the room for 40 mins and she was good, not great but good. When she was naked I noticed she had bad skin loads of small spots on her back, a turn off.

Afterward we were talking and she tells me she is going to HELP after work where she will get R$ 500 for all night or R$300 for a short time!! I say to her, who pays that type of money? She starts telling stories about all the guys that gave her money. She says like someguy paid tickets and loads of $$ for me to go to Mexico with him, then some Italian guy who lives in London gave her 1000 euro because she was crying about not having money for her studies. The girls are jealous because some guy gave me 200 US etc.... blah blah. So I say if you get that type of money why do you fuck in Solarium for R$120 (the house takes the rest). Well she says I get this everyday and I can fuck 5 or 6 guys a day, I go to HELP I can only do one guy maybe two. ok I get her number for a bit of daytime action and she will fuck daytime for R$150!! I guess when she is not fucking she is losing money!

Also tells me about her two boyfriends one is a 48 year old American and the other, a 42 year old Iraqi, both of whom think she is a nice girl who goes to HELP to dance!!

She says, ´why do they think that? They are old how could I like them for their looks!! If I want a boyfriend I go to an ordinary Brazilian Disco`

I can´t remember her name but might call her sometime.

More Later
Langer

Lover Boy #2
07-23-05, 07:54
"Perkele,

They roam around in packs like dogs? What would make you say this?"


I think he said this because it is obviously true. It's the same anywhere gutless punks roam. If there were only one....he would not make a stand. Dogs can be the same in packs.

(note; This was not an attempt to badmouth dogs. Dogs are cool.)

Carlos Primeros
07-23-05, 12:52
Antonio - thank you for the informations. I was last time in Rio Antigo 2 years ago and it was a very run-down palce. After that last visit I avoided it like the plague.

Usually I go to the smaller Termas. They are cheaper and the girls do not have the bad attitude - as you reporte - of Centaurus. For example MV 30 is good, with goodlooking girls and you do not pay these crazy gringo-prices.

I will try Rio Antigo again and will report.

Carlos Primeros

Bubba Boy
07-23-05, 17:21
Are you sure about the prices?. I definitely remember walking out of the there with change from R200 after a quick no drink "pit stop" in May.

Liucio
07-23-05, 19:16
FIDO,

RIO ANTIGO, is actually cheaper than that. My last experince was around $R180. I do not think its over $R200. This is one of the cheaper places but it was not very comfortable inside for me. Someone said it has been renovated so maybe this explains the higher price.

I did not like the choices of goratas either. They did not it it for me. But you may find a 9 or 10 there depending on when you go.

There are some TERMAS in ZONA NORTE also but these can as I am told get a bit dangerous for non-Brasiliareros. Ask a taxi to take you to see goratas in the Norte. They are located in the areas of the flavelas.

I have not been but I have spoken to a gorata that has worked in several before arriving at 4X4.

Liucio
07-23-05, 19:30
I can not belive the turner over at these places.

I was in RIO in DEC and in MAY.

The goratas the worked at the Termas in DEC were gone by MAY.

I could only find 2 or 3 garotas that I had met. They move on quickly.

I am still trying to find one particular garotas from SOLARUIM. I have her cell but she always has to go. She is from a small town near Joao Luis.

I went out with her food and dancing twice but in MAY. I could not find her.

I think she may have stopped working and went to become a school teacher.

That was what she wanted to do.

But who knows.
Once she showed up in front of my apartment without calling first, so I know she is different than most TERMA girl, but how different?

Maybe she 's working again and doesn't want me to know.

Until I know more she's just another working garota looking for money.

Liucio
07-23-05, 21:13
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Rio Bob
07-23-05, 21:39
quero boquete sim camishina = BBBJ (although this is very normal at RA).
Antonio

Don't really want to pick but sim = yes, sem = without so you really want to say : quero boquete sem camishina

Liucio
07-24-05, 00:51
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Exec Talent
07-24-05, 04:58
Liucio,

I do not read your posts, in fact I doubt anyone does. However, it does annoy me that I have to exert the effort to scroll by them to read something worthwhile. Do you think you might be able to not post as often? Say, once every two years? Thanks!

Bubba Boy
07-24-05, 05:30
Liucio your posts are at best inaccurate, at worst a complete waste of space.

Liucio
07-24-05, 06:31
How are my post inaccurate?

Trippleecks
07-24-05, 13:47
Not claiming to be an expert but I have been traveling to Brazil for over 6 years and I have stayed as long as 6 months in one visit. I will be moving to Brazil this year or very early next year. I just bought a place in Ipanema and I am having Kenn of EZ-riorentals.com do the renovations for me and furnish it for me.

Fido Dido
07-24-05, 16:32
RIO ANTIGO, is actually cheaper than that. My last experince was around $R180. I do not think its over $R200. This is one of the cheaper places but it was not very comfortable inside for me. Someone said it has been renovated so maybe this explains the higher price.Rio Antigo Prices:

Entrance fee: $R 50
Cabina (40 min) $R 140
Suite (60 min): $R 200
Suite with Jacuzzi (60 min): $R 240

The accomodation looks very good. Didn't see a better one in the any other therma.

Langer
07-24-05, 17:46
When to Luomo last night, again not up to its usual standard. Not many good lookers. Got a non sex massage from the woman there, very good. Took a tall thin dyed blonde (there are no real blondes in Brazil) babe for 40mins. BBBJ, CIM, anal etc.

All in all I´m quite bored here, and that is with going to Termas every day and often taking two girls at a time. Something is wrong, I´m not sure what, maybe it is me.

The first couple of times you come to Brazil you think wow this place is wonderful but when you have been here as often as I have you start to noitce how tatty some of the girls can be. All with the same `courtship game`, some with bad skin, poor fitting dresses, etc, etc. I guess once you see thru their little act, it gets boring. Also you notice the general environment, the dirty streets, crime problems, homeless people, scams etc.

Went to Forteleza, Manaus and Bahia also on this trip and each of them was worse than Rio.

I think I need a change therefore so does anyone know where I can find a thin big-titted really black girl (can´t seem to find any here), I´ve had so many good looking brown small titted women!!

I know when I go back to the US I´ll wanting to come right back to Brazil!!!

Langer

Brazilman
07-24-05, 18:29
Langer,

You have to find other things to do that take up your time like mongering. Join a jiujitsu school , soccer team, something that interest you. I dont know your age, but if your in good health, im sure you can pick up some sport. You said you were looking for a big titted black girl, so I take it your a black guy,that leaves out surfing and hand gliding:)

Liucio
07-24-05, 19:49
Langer,

It's happened to me. Its happened to some older guys that I know that has been traveling there since the late 80's.

It's not reality. You have got to put that place into perspective. You have to.
Its not sustainable. Its a 20-30 day fantasy that slowly erodes your sense of reality.
I know guys that go there for ony for days and all they do is sit at those tables and talk about how much of a KING they have become.

Some guys have been going there for 5yrs and has not ventured off of Avenida Atlantica.

I read these post and these guys are serious about RIO. It has absorbed their igamination and has become their reality.

I used to think I can marry one of these girls but be serious, it would all be an economic benefit for them. You would get nothing but cheap mechanical sex. Thats it.

They can't help you with a mortgage payment.

You are an asset to them, but they are a liability for you.

I used to think of moving there, so I took the time to learn the language and I am glad I met an Italian older guy who said listen this should only be a momentary escape. The guy has property there and relaxes, but he used to do what we did which we hit all these P*ssy places, everytime we step off the plane.

When I go to Brazil now, I am only traveling thru RIO to get to another destination.
My spots are up North along the ocean, peaceful no tourist, cheap, great poeple. I can indulge if I prefer or I can just hit the beaches and relax.

See more Brazil, after you have satisfied your appetite for the garotas.

What you have reached is called a plateatu. Everyone has it and you have just reached your sooner than others or simlpy acknowledged it.

This banging every nite can be a job (LOL). It takes work.

Same bullsh*t girls. Same game.

When I travel I have 1 or two tight girls that I see in each city.

I love the Northeast. Less commercialized.

Those termas, tables girls will always be there. Your emotions are normal.

Langer, I hope this is not taken as offensive. It's just something someone share with me that I'm sharing with you and who ever else.

Glad your trip was bangful.

To Nodd,

I have been traveling there for a while also. Nothing new. I too have recently purchased some property also. Nothing new.

Nodd I am not the RIO expert, like I said I read from you gys and learn. I am still a novice looking for advice and new things to do.

One day if we meet we'll shit down over a Brahma and talk shit. I'll pay.
We all have the same interest.

Nodd once my place is done maybe you can rent from me. I send you pics in Sept.

Langer did you get cell numbers?

Rabo Verde
07-24-05, 19:55
If you are bored with the Termas and Help, try the agencies. These are the best ones IMHO:

http://www.ciaplus.com
http://www.karlamodels.com.br/

You have to speak a little Portuguese to set up the date, but the girls are great, and they are used to cheapskate, rough Brasilians, so they are DELIGHTED to get a nice Gringo. Also cheaper.

Then, try Buenos Aires for a change of pace.
The scene is not quite as wild, and there is no beach, but the city and the people are much more elegant and refined.

Liucio
07-24-05, 20:05
Chuponalgas:

I did not find Karla models to be cheap. Have their prices dropped.

I have used the service twice but, boy did I pay. Always got 10's.

I have not heard any negative reviews for the guys whom I know that have used Karlamodels but be ready to pay, w/o negotiation.

I am plan for Argentina in a in Dec '07. Are those women attitutes better?

What about the price?

And can you always get that perfect ass like in Brazil?

Carlos Primeros
07-24-05, 21:26
Buenos Aires is much more refined than Rio. The city is more like Paris - the attitude of the girls is much more refined too. Prices? I paid from 70 AR$ - 200 AR$ depending on the program. You will certainly enjoy it as a change to Rio.

Excellent Hotels and Restaurants.

Carlos

Trippleecks
07-24-05, 22:18
Hey, why don't you guys ever mention that the prices in BA quoted at
70-200.pesos is for ONE HOUR. That is 2 -3 times more than in Rio, where you normally pay 150.reais and you get 2 HOURS or maybe the entire night.

Trippleecks
07-24-05, 22:22
Liucio .. you should contact Kenn at www.ez-riorentals.com he can rent it for you.
When I am not going to be in town he will rent mine for me.........

Liucio
07-25-05, 00:20
BA,

The main reason I continue to go to Brazil is because of the strong dollar and the ocean.

These days I am highly levelaged financially and I can not afford a more exspensive place to vacation.

I am not looking to pay 3x Brazil's price. If what Nodd quotes is correct.

It's just something about Brazil:

When your tired of the garotas you head to the beach.

When your tired of the beach you can go to a churrascria to eat and gain weight.

In BA I guess you would be forced to enjoy the garotas.

I'll find out later.

I still have much ground to cover first in Brazil. Haven't yet Mastered the landscape.

Liucio
07-25-05, 00:37
Is this the same Kenn for the Boat Bust?

Have you contacted Bobby for renting your place?

Jaimito Cartero
07-25-05, 09:37
Hey, why don't you guys ever mention that the prices in BA quoted at
70-200.pesos is for ONE HOUR. That is 2 -3 times more than in Rio, where you normally pay 150.reais and you get 2 HOURS or maybe the entire night.

Prices in BA vary quite a bit. I usually get chicas for 100-150 pesos for at least two hours. Sometimes they will turn in a TLN, or 4 or 5 hours as well.

Many of the internet chicas will charge 100 or 200 per hour, but most of the club girls that I take home I get at least 2 hours. There are many apartments that cost 40-100 pesos per hour. And at this point the R is much stronger than the peso.

I'll be in Brazil in 5 weeks or so do some good comparisons!

Trippleecks
07-25-05, 10:28
NO!! Kenn at www.ez-riorentals.com is not the idiot that got busted.
Bobby, Fuck Bobby, that arrogant bastard.

Liucio
07-25-05, 13:02
Who has used Karla Models?

Would you recommend them?

And what did you pay?

Macunaima
07-25-05, 18:22
Carlos,

What do you mean when you say "the girls are much more refined"?

What, do they use a napkin when sucking your dick or what?

Liucio
07-26-05, 12:52
The exchange rate should be better by Friday, its approaching 2.50.

The Gov left the interest rates unchanged.

Brazilman
07-26-05, 19:31
Whats going on with the exchange rate. It went from 2.33 to 2.46 in a week. This is great news. I'm 3 weeks away from my trip.

Reinhardt2002
07-26-05, 21:04
Who has used Karla Models?

Would you recommend them?

And what did you pay?Liucio,

Karlamodels is sitting in Tijuca - Rio de Janeiro. His twin agency (same owner) is Scortshow sitting in Flamengo.

Looking the site you can look girls of two agencies, 1#half of page is Karlamodels(Tijuca) and 2#half page is Scortshow(Flamengo) :

http://www.karlamodels.com.br/principal.html
Sorry, I can't find the Classified Ad Section.

Some brazilian guys like to call girls from Scortshow/Karlamodels by the low price - R$100,00 per couple hours.

You can find good/medium girls.Is agency norm all girls do complete service (FS/CFS). See about Tatiana in this thread, for example. Some girls are recomended by the brazilian forum. For also help PM me, but sorry my bad english.

MrK
07-26-05, 21:27
I'm planning a trip to Rio in November so I'm glad the exchange rate is moving in my favor. Damn! Remember when it was 3.6?!!!

My favorite terma is still Luomos. It's a little hard to find since it is upstairs in a shopping mall. Monte Carlo is okay, Solarium is good but hard to get to from Copa and Centaurus is overpriced.

Still, you can't go wrong in visiting Rio. You can monger anywhere from the Beach, to Help, to the restaurants and the termas. Just be careful and stay safe.

If you want to see the types of women available, check out the free photos in the ************.com. It's all about the bunda.

Liucio
07-27-05, 06:18
Report from source on the ground:

A group of about 10 Japanese business men decended upon Mab's.

They were being charged 3 times the going rate.

They bought the girls lunch and drinks.

It is said they were agreeing to prices of $R500 for 2 hours.

It was said girls were pulling chairs from other tables to sit with these BIG C*CK business tourist.

I wonder what the all night prices were plus tips.

GabrielPontello
07-27-05, 08:37
Who has used Karla Models?

Would you recommend them?

And what did you pay?


karlamodels and scortshow are twin agencies (owned by the same management)
the price is the cheapest in the market (100R$/2 hrs.) but the quality is high
it's a sort of bitching academy for many girls
they have to do anal to work there and the service is always on time and honest
as for the quality of the girl, I personally prefer companygirl, tough more expensive but karlamodels is a sure choice

you might also try some recommended free lancer from hotside, like stefany, ana luiza, etc.

Liucio
07-27-05, 13:17
I have used Karla Models in the past, but it was in DEC and it seems, may have paid more. I was pleased with the service and will use again.

Regarding the exchange rates, they are going up because the Brazilian Central Bank did not raise the countries interest rates. It may hit 2.50 the close of Friday's trading on the market.

So you may want to wait to exchange.

Kaysar
07-28-05, 08:29
On my trip to Rio last month, I found that Escort service of Karla models and using the Centro Termas are the best way to get value for your money. I tried to use freelancers, but most of them don't speak english, try to jack up price when you are not Brazilian. And you have to know a good bit of portugese to deal with them, not just few words that I learned.

The lady who answered phone at Karla spoke pretty good english.

The receptionist at 4x4 terma spoke excellent english (I complemented her on that, probably missed a chance to take her out on a dinner date, but that was my last day in Rio).

Those who live in North America/Europe, since it is not too long of a flight away and planing to go back to Rio in future, you should invest significant time and money to learn the language. There is an immense possibility to tap the non-pro segment of the Brazilian society, girls are so pretty and passionate!! My 2 cents.

Liucio
07-29-05, 01:35
Kaysar,

I wonder way they don't speak English.

It may be a good idea a learn the language of the host country.

Just kidding Kaysar.

Use the universal NO. When you don't agree on price. Don't take language skills just a solid NO.

Hope you had a good trip Kaysar. Was there a lot of action when you were there?

Did you go to Solarium or 4X4?

Mex005
07-29-05, 03:54
Hi,

Just used barravips.com.br service. The girls was Michelle. On the web site it was stated that she was 26, however she was 30 (I saw her ID). She was ok (7-look for a 30 old), a little bit a "street dog" (not classy at all), but she was very good in BBBJ. She was scratching her self now and than, and was also suprised to smell aftershave. Like I said, a little bit from the street.

All in all, I am still looking for a good escort service. I am now mailing with riosbest.com and they are promising a good service. I will keep you posted.

Mex

Liucio
07-29-05, 03:57
Kaysar,

There is not a remote possibility of getting the non-working girls. Sorry.

Everyone has that dream.

Its about the money. When you stop paying she stops laying.

Take it 4 what it is and leave it at that believe me and a host of others.

Its about your money.

There are about 1.3 mil guys sitting in a class right about now trying to learn Portuguese and score a non-pro.

But hey its worth the thought, so what the hell. Give it a try.

I'm with you.

The place is hypnotic-its should b labeled as such.

Liucio
07-29-05, 04:20
************.com,

I went 2 the site and those girls look so damn familiar. I swear I have seem them before. But maybe not but, they look very familiar.

I think I have sat wth 1 of them at a terma or at the beach.

Kaysar
07-29-05, 06:28
[QUOTE=Liucio]Kaysar,

There is not a remote possibility of getting the non-working girls. Sorry.

Everyone has that dream.

Its about the money. When you stop paying she stops laying.

Take it 4 what it is and leave it at that believe me and a host of others.

Its about your money.

Liucio,

I know it's about money. All relationship needs investment of time, money and energy. But the return, or the possibility of good return (getting laid) is much better in Rio than in US or Europe. And the girls are so passionate, even the pro's. That's amazing. From my experience of courting non-pro Asian girls, mainly from Thailand and Filipins, the passion factor is much less or sometimes absent. Asian girls often, even in 21st century, feel shy to enjoy their body.

I went to 4X4 and Terma 502. Both places had pretty girls and good services.

I wish good luck to those 1.3million guys learning Portugese.

Joe Writer
07-29-05, 10:21
There is not a remote possibility of getting the non-working girlsHow can you say that? I met a "civilian" Carioca last year and dated her for several weeks. It was a lot easier hooking up with her than with many of the girls in the States I've pursued. And believe me, knowing a little Portuguese helps immensely.

Por favor, desculpe-me if I misread your quote. Perhaps by saying there's "not a remote possibility," you meant to suggest that the opposite is true: There's a strong possibility of getting non-working girls. In that case, we're mais ou menos in agreement, and I posted this for naught.

Sempre Avance,

"Rio Joe" Diamond

Rio Bob
07-30-05, 01:42
Kaysar,

There is not a remote possibility of getting the non-working girls. Sorry.

Everyone has that dream.

Its about the money. When you stop paying she stops laying.

Take it 4 what it is and leave it at that believe me and a host of others.

Its about your money.

There are about 1.3 mil guys sitting in a class right about now trying to learn Portuguese and score a non-pro.

But hey its worth the thought, so what the hell. Give it a try.

I'm with you.

The place is hypnotic-its should b labeled as such.

I didn't speak any Portuguese back in 2000, then in 2001 I started to learn and every year since then I met a non pro and even several during a trip. My first was in 2001, I was in a restaurant and spoke very little crude Portuguese and picked up my waitress in Copacabana, spent several days with her, she was 25. I won't mention them all but I met another 25 year old on the beach 2 years later, she was wonderful, met another 25 year old sitting next to me at a restaurant, none of them spoke English and my Portuguese has been improving every year and I practice every day. The purpose is to enhance the trip for both the GDP's and the non pros.

Its a shame that Mr. Liciuo here doesn't feel he has a chance to meet a non pro but for some of us it is possible.

Rio Bob
07-30-05, 01:57
On my trip to Rio last month, I found that Escort service of Karla models and using the Centro Termas are the best way to get value for your money. I tried to use freelancers, but most of them don't speak english, try to jack up price when you are not Brazilian. And you have to know a good bit of portugese to deal with them, not just few words that I learned.

The lady who answered phone at Karla spoke pretty good english.

The receptionist at 4x4 terma spoke excellent english (I complemented her on that, probably missed a chance to take her out on a dinner date, but that was my last day in Rio).

Those who live in North America/Europe, since it is not too long of a flight away and planing to go back to Rio in future, you should invest significant time and money to learn the language. There is an immense possibility to tap the non-pro segment of the Brazilian society, girls are so pretty and passionate!! My 2 cents.

My 2 cents, yes a termas has value, for example you spend 2 hours in a termas but only 40 minutes in the cabine and you pay 200 reais thats 100 reais an hour.

You get an escort to come to you and you pay 200 reais for 2 hours, thats 100 reais each hour but you have 2 full hours with her not 40 minutes, this is more value.

You go into HELP and lets say at 1AM you meet a dreamgirl after 5 caiparinhas, you dance with her, drink with her, have a great GFE in HELP for 2 hours. You leave HELP to go to your place and she stays the night so you have from 3 AM to 9 AM to do what you please with her. How much? Lets say you pay top dollar for this dreamgirl of 300 reais, how much is that per hour? Lets see from 1 AM to 9 AM is 8 hours. Divide 300 reais by 8 hours is 37.5 reais per hour. Certainly the winner for value hands down.

This is the way I would rank value in Rio:
1: Help
2: Escort
3: Termas
4: Boites in Lido section ie: Barbarellas
5: Non Pros, regular girls for the most part on average represent the least value for the buck, in the long run they will cost you more as you dollar cost average every sexual encounter. Beware.

Liucio
07-30-05, 03:08
To RIO BOB & JOE WRITER:

It is very the odds of meeting a legitimate girl there is very low. Very low. Possible yes, highly unlikely but with a possibilty.

Those women know why your in RIO. R U kidding. The average non-sex worker, knows y your there. Your there 2 pay 4 sex. Plain, simple. Are they in line 2 meet you (the avg girl).

Turn the tables, would you date a woman who come 2 your country to pay for sex with men.

The educated woman in Brazil knows y u r in her country. Because your paying for those women that she sees on Ave Atlantica in high heels and tight pants. The very women that she dispise.

If can that woman that will except you as you r, and she's not selling herself and she's attractive, and she's not trading you love for money. Grab her quickly. You are KING because of your currency gentlemen.

Have you started 2 believe your own fantasies.

Try to date or attract a women who's dresses professional in Barra or Centro.

Who has some education and skills and find out what happens.

These women r not pressed 4 money. At least pressed enough 2 sell themselves 4 money.

Those other women R pressed 4 money. Thats the reason they sell themselves.

I am not knocking you, but dont your starting 2 believe your fantasy.
The thing is 2 be honest about this thing. Do not fool yourself.

It is what it is you are paying 4 a service and depending on who's speaking, its nothing wrong with it.

Just don't get drawn it 2 tight.

No money no 2 hrs.

Liucio
07-30-05, 03:43
Response to Rio Bob:

You wrote:

Lets say you pay top dollar for this dreamgirl of 300 reais, how much is that per hour? Lets see from 1 AM to 9 AM is 8 hours. Divide 300 reais by 8 hours is 37.5 reais per hour. Certainly the winner for value hands down.

My response:

I'm surprised at reading this forum. Your past post made sense and was a benefit. But any stemcell paying R$300 for an hr is a moron and needs his small nuts pulled up his *sshole. U don't drop $R300, 4 sex in RIO. Just doesn't happen. Isn't logical. U would have 2 have a problem. No really.

That said.

You can't divide 300 into 8 because your not banging her for 8hrs. She's sleeping, your sleeping. You will probably get a nice slow fuck and sucked and fucked again in the morning. Thats the plan. Its only a plan, doesn't always happen this way. Some want 2 leave in the morning w/o sucking or fucking again.

The non-pro average grocery store clerk or hair stylist should have been 1st on your list.

Granted with an investment she will payoff over time. You may have to give cultivate a relatioship and work your way into the sex, but it yours.

She has not been spitting 9 other guys DNA from her mouth during the course of the week. She's your.

U can take her places just as any other relationship.

She can cook 4 you, You can stay with her when you visit. She can find u a cheaper apartment. And your not paying (as u say) $R300/2hrs.

Yes, u paid upfront, but the cost is spread out over time.

Sort of like buying vs. renting a home.

If you just want the sex, then definitely HELP.

But if your looking 4 more in Brazil, something like companionship then investing finding the non-sex worker.

Is it value vs quality.

Of course, most of us r there for 10-20 days and we just want 2 bang, bang anything at any cost.

But if you grow tired of that then invest in the non-sex worker who isn't looking for your currency after she showers.

I respect your post RIO BOB, but I though you slipped on the keyboard on that 1.

My list reads:

Quality

1. Non-sex seller
2. Escort
3.Terma

Value

1. Escort
2.Terma
3. Non-sex seller

Rio Bob, I know you still got it. You just slipped. It happens.

Liucio
07-30-05, 06:57
Just want 2 keep the picture from being blurred.

We go there for a reason, all of us get 10's, we all pay for 10's.

Lets b careful on creating something thats not there.

Those women understand that this is business.

A business transaction. Don't pay and C what happens.

Most of these guys can separate the 2.

I can separate my vacation from my reality. 2 different things.

I luv the place, can't stay away. But know the difference.

They do.

I think those women are great. Especially the small town women outside of RIO.

I luv those Termas and the Escorts. I literally vent my NRG upon them.

I think a lot more of these guys should learn some of the language and stop bitching about not being able to find a women that speaks perfect English.

But then again I want to keep them ignorant of the language and culture so that I do not have to see them in my favorite cities. I want them to b confined to those tables of HELP and MEI PETACA.

I couldn't image seeing them spoil the Northeast like RIO.

I hope I don't start getting all that B*llsh*t hatemail.

Keep the volume low and discuss your point and no vicous arguments or talk about the *ss you banged on Copa.

I am still trying to score at the dico NUTH. That place 10's all over but its difficult but possible.

Joe Writer
07-30-05, 07:45
Liucio,

I don't get it. You spend all this energy arguing that the odds are overwhelmingly against mongers meeting non-pros. Then you tell Rio Bob that "the non-pro average grocery store clerk or hair stylist should have been 1st" on his list, and that "with an investment she will payoff over time."

So which is it? Non-pros are out of our league, or they just require more of an "investment" of time and effort?

Liucio
07-30-05, 19:18
Joe Writer,

Both, they educated ones. Forget it, the avg ones of course go after.

But only if that what your looking for.

Language barrier, culture barrier, time restraints.

Your only there 4 maybe 20 day, and finding and cultivating a relationship in this amnt of time is unreal. Unless your going to give her money with the intent to help her do better in that country.

Those women r no different than any other women in the world who are economically challenged. They want the same things from life, have the same dream.

I think RIO BOB understand the dimensions of what was written.

But I did see your point.

Exec Talent
07-31-05, 10:16
When I first came to Rio, I had a guide/driver/translator and through him was able to hookup with several non-pros. Now that I speak some Portuguese, I have found it pretty easy to meet non-pros. If you don't know Portuguese, how are you going to communicate. With the pros, you only need to communicate certain things and even with them, I have found the experience to be much better now that I can carry on a basic conversation.

So you guys who know some Portuguese, don't believe what you read about not being able to meet non-pros. It just is not true. Or maybe it is true for those who are personality disadvantaged.

Sperto
07-31-05, 14:41
There is not a remote possibility of getting the non-working girls. Sorry.


Liucio,
That's f*****g rubbish!
Any of you guys who learn some Portuguese and leave Copacabana will get some non-pro's.

P.s Liucio, you've made 112 posts. Why don't you try to provide some real Information. You might even get upgraded to be a Senior Member. I think it would be great if you could have your own section, so we don´t have to read a dozen Liucio-posts every day.

Liucio
07-31-05, 18:18
Response,

Sperto,

I will be RIO 4 one day this month. I will provide you with a great post.

I will be traveling through out but only 1 day in RIO.

To bad I don't agree with everthing thats said in the forum. I guess thats y I have to swat the flies.

Sal Dali
07-31-05, 20:06
[QUOTE=Sperto]Any of you guys who learn some Portuguese and leave Copacabana will get some non-pro's.QUOTE]I can testify to this. Learning Portuguese was definitely worth the time. I've been able to hook up with several non-pros, and some pretty well-educated ones. So...

Spend the time, make the time, learn the language. You'll have more fun!

S

Veterano
08-01-05, 00:28
It's a simple language, work with the paperback Portuguese in 10 minutes a Day and listen to Pimsleur every day for about a month and you should have enough for basic conversation

I sure have a much better time in Brasil since I started picking it up

Veterano

Shemp
08-01-05, 05:55
Liucio,

You are an incoherent babbling idiot & all members of this board would like to never hear from you again. Do you have nothing better to do with your life than monitor this board 24 hours a day, respond to every post, & say nothing but idiotic psychobabble? PLEASE do us all a favor & get the hell away from this board forever!

Administrator, PLEASE help us out.

Shemp

Liucio
08-01-05, 12:03
Can someone list the exchange rate they are receiving?

Macunaima
08-01-05, 21:47
Regarding "non-pros", it's all in how you define "prostitute".

Now, if a "prostitute", to you, means a woman who turns tricks, fucks for money, cash on the barrelhead, then yes, learning some basic Portuguese might get you into "non-pro" land.

But I have real doubts about how "normal" most women who itinerant gringos with basic Portuguese skills pick up are.

To me, a prostitute is ultimately someone who's in a sexual relationship with you principally (if not wholly and exclusively) because it improves their station in life. If their station does not improve, they will leave you.

Now I realize that there are a lot of bitter guys out there who will argue that, ultimately, every woman is this way. I myself would concur that every PERSON (male or female) ultimately creates relationships with people whom they hope will not be a big drag on their life. I realize that we're talking more "points on a scale" here than black or white binary definitions.

Nonetheless, there's a HUGE difference, in my book, between a woman who goes out with you because she likes YOU, whether or not you pay for anything, even if she knows you're not going anywhere fast in life, and a woman who would not look at you if you had no cash and/or were Brazilian. I personally classify the first types as "normal" women. The second type, whether or not they charge for their services directly, are in my book prostitutes, though perhaps semi-professional ones.

In my experience, most itinerant gringos who know a bit of Portuguese do not "graduate" from pros to normal girls. Rather, they graduate from pros to semis, from Copacabana to Ipanema and from Help to Shenanigans. The women in all cases are the kinds of girls locals avoid.

Now, if all you're interested in is getting your wick dipped for free, cool. But, having spoken to a lot of women on the gringo circuit, I'd have to say that most guys "dating normal women" down here are, in fact, spending much more cash on them than they would on straight up garotas de programa. And the women are VERY aware of this. Every GdP I've ever interviewed says you can make far more money being a "girlfriend" than a garota de programa. All GdPs I've ever interviewed look for an opportunity to make this sort of thing happen.

So why doesn't everyone just "namorar" if it's so much more profitable?

Well, because while stuff comes rolling in when you are a girlfriend, it almost always comes in in the form of goods and services, not cash. So if you're an independent mother of three, supporting your folks up in Realengo, being a GF simply won't pay your bills. Professional GFs are thus almost always lower middle to middle class girls who live at home and are on the make to get gringos to pay for their luxuries in life. Typically, these girls go through one guy after another, but they never charge by the hour as it were, so they don't consider themselves to be pros.

Now, again, I don't consider this to be "normal" female behavior, though I'm aware that there's a lot of it in the world all over. But I've been very sexually active in my life and I've never had to pay for sex, directly or indirectly, so it seems to me that there are plenty of normal women who don't see men as walking bank accounts or elevators to the good life all around (not that this is going to be a popular opinion with most of the guys here, I'm sure). No moralizing, here, mind: just an observation. But you're not likely to find those kind of women as a gringo on vacation here simply because - not considering the occasional fuck for pure horniness' sake - most women are not as desperately on the make as most guys. They can thus sit back and pick and choose who they want to screw. And most women will screw guys who, frankly, will make them look good to their parents and friends.

A gringo with a couple of months of Pimsleur behind him who's in town for two weeks does not fit into this category if the woman in question is your average professional or middle class girl making her way in life. He'd have to have something else on his ticket - a future in Brazil, a really winning personality, some talent or musical skill - to escape the taint of being a potential sex tourist. Most middleclass women - let's say your average journalist or architect - simply won't date foreigners who are just breezing through town unless something exceptional happens because they don't want to look like pros or gringo-chasers. And let's face it: they don't have to. They have plenty of middle-class Brazilian men to choose from and resonable prospects on their own. They don't want to emigrate and the kind of money you have to spend is not that impressive to them, even though it might be more than they earn.

Now let me just state here (because people always get their backs up when I say this) that I am talking about TENDENCIES here, not hard and fast rules which are meant to cover everyone's experiences. There are plenty of individual exceptions to what I'm saying here. But having had a lot of experience gringo-watching, I'd say most of those "normal" girls your average tourist here for a couple of weeks is with are nothing more or less than rarified prostitutes.

So I'd watch it, folks. That "normal" girl you're dating may end up costing you a whole lot more than and out-and-out prostitute.

Bob Melo
08-02-05, 15:24
I'm looking for a girl called Cindy. A tall blonde one used to be seen at Help and dance at Barbarella. Haven´t seen her around ror a while. If anyone have her mobile, I would be glad to know it. Cheers!

Macunaima
08-02-05, 17:15
Chico Buarque - Folhetim - 1978

Se acaso me quiseres
Sou dessas mulheres
Que so dizem sim
Por uma coisa a toa
Uma noitada boa
Um cinema, um botequim
E, se tiveres renda
Aceito uma prenda
Qualquer coisa assim
Como uma pedra falsa
Um sonho de valsa
Ou um corte de cetim
E eu te farei as vontades
Direi meias verdades
Sempre a meia luz
E te farei, vaidoso, supor
Que o maior e que me possuis
Mas na manha seguinte
Nao conta ate viinte
Te afasta de mim
Pois ja nao vales nada
E uma pagina virada
Descartada do meu folhetim


If by chance you want me
I'm one of those women
That only say yes
To foolish things
A nice night on the town
A film, a bar
And if you have income
I'll accept a trinket
Anything that's handy
Like a fake diamond
Some chocolates
Or a roll of satin cloth
And I will do all you like
I will talk in half-truths
Always in half-light
And I will make you suppose, in your vanity
That you are the greatest who has ever possessed me
But the next morning
Don't count to twenty
Get away from me
Because you're now not worth anything
You're just another turned page
Thrown out of my diary.

Sperto
08-02-05, 19:36
I see it like this.

- Prostitute: A woman who charge money for the sex-act.
- Piranha: A woman who doesn´t charge money for the sex-act, but hopes to be rewarded with gifts, help with bills or just staying with you in hope of a marriage and leaving Brazil.
- "Normal" girl: A woman who stays with you only because she finds you attractive without any other hidden interests.

For me a non-pro is what I call a "normal" girl.

Meeting a "normal" girl, in Brazil, with education and good family that will love you, leave Brazil and live happily forever with you in your country, that is extremely difficult.

Most gringos, I see back at home, that are married to brazilian women have chosen women with "Puta" written on their foreheads.

Meeting a "normal" girl, in Brazil, for namorar and casual sex isn't that hard. Portuguese skills and a longer stay in Brazil will certainly help.

It becomes much easier when you go to cities with few gringos. There you will have the advantage of being different and exciting to the local girls. Some of them will jump in bed with you, hoping to leave their god-forgotten city. Others will do it for fun. Either way YOU will have fun. :)

Brazilman
08-02-05, 19:44
The problem with "normal" girls in the states are the divorce laws. They suck, and always favor the woman. I've met many older men that lost everything to their wives and than realized for the first time that they actually paid for sex.although, on the back end. It's impossible to have sex with the same woman for 30 years. You need a little strange and if you get caught,well, your going to pay dearly. A mix of non pros and pros is the perfect meds. The problem is, eventually, you will get sick of the non pro and have to dump them, but then that becomes a real pain in the ass and you wish you would have stuck with the pro's. The bottom line is its a tough situation dealing with the non pros. They will always ask you to send money and buy gifts. I had one non pro ask me to send her an ex box after banging her for a couple of weeks. I dont even own one for myself! these girls have expensive tastes.

Pluto2
08-03-05, 06:51
Lets see:

Good girls don't have sex.

Girls that have sex are all prostitutes.

All guys want sex.

Any girl that passes over a local for an import model is a prostitute.

All prostitutes that give it up and get married are still prositutues.

Any foreigner that learns enough Portugese to be charming (have a personality) in Portugese is only meeting prostitutes.

Girls don't get horny.

Did I miss anything?

PS. I can fumble my way through five languages and had a number of women that I met in Brazil either green light me or flat out give me their phone numbers, most of them thought that I was either a regular on business or living in Brazil. None of them were into the sceene. A common ailement is that the girls feel like they are treated like shit by a lot of the local guys, also a common complaint in Germany.

Is it possible that normal people respond to kind treatment, an interested ear and a stimulating change from their routine?

Reinhardt2002
08-03-05, 23:42
Meet Bianca in "Barão do Flamengo Hotel (35,Barão do Flamengo str).

Calling Scortshow to send me "the book". Come in my room (704, litle but clean, simple bathroom) 3 girls: Suelen (nice face, nice tits) Pamela( don't so) and Bianca (litle,mulata,small tits,nice butt). Let just Bianca stay whith me. Medium blow-job, slow anal, no speak english, candy and swet.She's just work since 3 weeks, no pics on Scortshow site.

Henry R : I just pay R$100,00 for 2 hours. No pay cad, because this hotel is near from Scortshow. The better rooms of Barão do Flamento is ending whit '8'..

Sorry my bad english

Liucio
08-04-05, 03:36
I could not have explained it better.

Macunaima
08-04-05, 04:45
Pluto,

Who EVER said anything about good girls not having sex? Just because middle-class carioca women who have no ulterior motives other than horniness are not likely to have sex with itinerant gringos is no reason to say they don't have sex. Or to call said women "good girls" for that matter.

The fact of the matter is, most people look for partners who they think are going to make them look good. And for middle-class carioca women, that is most definitely not an itinerant gringo stumbling through his pimsleur lessons.

Also, I made it VERY clear that I was talking generalities here, not rules or absolutes. Did you not read that section of my post or did you just not understand what it meant?

"A common ailement is that the girls feel like they are treated like shit by a lot of the local guys, also a common complaint in Germany."

In case you haven't figured it out by now, oh seasoned world traveler, that's a common complaint by women EVERYWHERE. Or do you think American women claim to like the treatment they get from you guys?

"Is it possible that normal people respond to kind treatment, an interested ear and a stimulating change from their routine?"

Of course it's possible. I said as much, didn't I? BUT... In the first place, I don't see much of the treatment that gringos give out as being any measureably "kinder" than that provided by Brazilians. By what the women say behind your backs, I'd say that I was not alone in this call, either. In the second place, most gringos don't have enough Portuguese to give anyone an interested ear. In the third place, come-ons by horny foreign tourists in a town like Rio de Janeiro are hardly a stimulating change of routine.

So where does that leave the average gringo touron?

Sal Dali
08-04-05, 04:48
wed aug 3, 6:54 pm et

eight u.s. men were arrested in rio de janeiro on charges of hiring prostitutes to shoot pornographic films after one of the women complained to authorities that she had been underpaid, police said on wednesday.

the men were arrested in a luxurious house in the sao conrado beachside neighborhood of the brazilian city on tuesday night. police said they found six local prostitutes wearing bikinis as well as video cameras and equipment in the house.

"although the cameras were not on at the moment of the arrest, we consider they were caught in the act," police investigator marcus neves told reuters.

several pornographic tapes made in rio were confirep001ed.

"they are talking to us and have already said they were making so-called amateur videos that are in good demand on the u.s. market for that sort of video production," neves said.

the men, aged between 24 and 38, have told police they were planning to sell the films for up to $40,000 and were paying the women $130 per scene, he said.

prostitution is legal in brazil and making porn films is not unlawful. but it is a crime to exploit prostitutes.

"they were contracting prostitutes to make money out of it. this favors prostitution and is a crime, punishable by a jail term of between two and five years plus fines," neves said.

two brazilian women in the house also face similar charges.

Henry R
08-04-05, 05:45
Pluto2

Fantastic!

RonnyRon
08-04-05, 09:46
Well, I guess those eight guy haven't been reading this forum over the last two months. Looks like the American who got arrested over the boat party, just got some company. Seems these guys were in Rio for 40 days with temporary tourist visas, which prohibited them from engaging in lucrative activities and were openly solicting girls to star in their videos.

The police seized three video cameras, three laptops, a scanner, eight films produced in Rio by the Americans, photographs, and 30 grams of marijuana. Let's see, you have eight guys who I am sure all think they are studs living in a mansion on Niemeyer Avenue who pissed off a girl they under paid. Once again the word DISCRETION comes to mind.

RonnyRon

Tavares
08-04-05, 12:00
Macunaima,

What about a woman who likes to be with you but at the same time expects you to help her because she is poor? is she a prostitute? my experience tells me that things in life are not always black or white, like pro's and non pro's, mainly in coutries like Brazil where inequalities are what we know.

On the other hand, situations are often dynamic: approach can be at first quite pro and become rather non pro with time, if you keep seeing that woman and if she gets to like you.

Tavares

Macunaima
08-04-05, 16:17
Kenny is out now, from what I hear.

I've mentioned several times on this forum and elsewhere that producing pornography in Brazil without the proper paperwork is a crime. These guys were caught redhanded and they are at the very least going to get kicked out of the country for it.

Unlike Kenny's case, what they were doing is indeed criminal under Brazilian law. You can't go around producing hardcore videos without liscenses, release forms, etc., etc., etc. Of course, there are Brazilians who break the law doing this, but they occasionally get busted too. And it's much easier and cheaper to fill out the required paperwork than it is to pay police bribes or a lawyer afterwards.

BTW, gringos would have a next to impossible time doing this because of the work restrictions on their visas.

And at 300 R$ per girl, they were definitely operating as cheapskates. No wonder someone turned them in.

Joe Writer
08-05-05, 01:39
I could not have explained it better.Possibly the biggest understatement of all time.

Exec Talent
08-05-05, 03:10
Seems some of you have done extensive research on what constitutes a prostitute so I thought I would do a little research of my own from their perspective. Here is how the women look at you.

- Asshole: Treats women like wh0res and uses terms like BBBJ, CIM to describe his time with them. Only reason a woman is with him is because he is paying her. Has latent homosexual tendencies and hates women.
- Jerk: Not as bad as the Asshole, but still has no clue how to treat a woman. Thinks women only want him for his money, and in his case, he is right. Most relationships with women lasted one week and ended because her seeing eye dog bit him.
- Gentleman: Treats a woman with respect and makes her feel valued and special. Actually likes women and enjoys spending time with them. Women respond in kind and want to spend time with him even when he is not paying them.

I think for some of you the truth is going to hurt. No one other than me will probably tell you this, but the best way to sooth that pain is to apply Ben Gay to your balls. You can thank me later.

Liucio
08-05-05, 05:58
I e-mailed my contact on the ground about and it is said to be true.

I was told that during Carnival Brazilians always make these types of videos you see them all over Europe. The Law is that you are not allowed to leave the country until this fine is paid, per violator.

Trippleecks
08-05-05, 13:22
Sure Kenny Graham knows what is doing alright! He outsmarted himself right out of business and left 29 BROTHERS holding the bag. That's right, he only looked out for his own ASS and left the others to fend for themselves.
I doubt if anyone will be going on any boat rides or having anything more to do with Kenny Graham in the future.

Macunaima
08-05-05, 19:57
In the case of Ken, what happened to him was not at all "incomprehensible".

The feds git a tip that he was exploiting women. They followed that up. Found out he WASN'T exploiting women but decided to bust everyone as a publicity stunt, anyhow. Lawyers and political pressure soon lead to the dropping of charges all around.

Tell me, how is this in ANY WAY different from or "incomprehensible" when compared to the way vice busts usually occur in the States, England or anywhere else for that matter?

The law supposedly being up held here is quite clear. I won't even complaining about the cops barging in on Ken's party. After all, they have the right to investigate supposed violations of the law. The problem only occured when they found nothing illegal, but tried to legally harass Ken anyhow. But again, how is this different from what routinely goes in in Bushes' America?

With regards to "bribes to politicians", I think some people have a rather four-color comic book notion of how corruption works here in Brazil.

First of all, a minority of police officials are probably seriously corrupt. they might take a bribe to do their job, or "money for a beer" to look the other way for a minor violation, but most of them won't go nose-to-nose with the Federal Police - especially against an officially declared crusade. At least not for chump change. Secondly, local politicians cannot easily influence the federal police, in the same way that a senator or a state rep can't rein in the U.S. FBI. Finally, the kind of federal bureaucrat or politician who COULD squash this sort of thing probably won't. He gets big time popular support for giving gringos a fast kick in the pants. Presuming he is corrupt enough to ingore popular oppinion in order to cut some gringo sex entrepeneur working outside of the law some slack, the bribe needed would be quite beyond most of these guy's ability to pay.

You think Ken can slip a few grand to a Rdj state rep and get off? Guess again. He's been let out because this whole thing is an embarassment to the Pf. If he paid bribes, they were more in the way of milking him for what he's worth before letting him out than any thing that could have determined his freedom, in and of itself. In this context, it's worth noting that the Pf tossed his case like a hot potato to the interstate police as soon as it was determined that they had stepped on their dick and caused a minor diplomatic incident. From that point on, it was pretty much obvious that Ken was going to be getting out as soon, probably as he could reach an understanding as to how much he had to pay. That's my reading, of course. I don't know what really happened.

But this wouldn't be "protection money", folks. This is called "milking a victim for what he's worth". Kenny is now in the limelight. He's "on tap" as Harrison Ford's charcater said in Blade Runner. Anytime the feds need another patsy to trot before the media again, he's liable to be it.

So given that this whole adventure is probably costing him multiple thousands - if not tens of thousands - of reais, and given that, from what I can figure, his average boat ride nets him maybe 4000 reais, tops (and he probably doesn't organize more than a few a month), this sort of thing will put a pretty cramp in his style if it happens once ever two years or so. Not to mention the fact that Ken's a public figure back home and it's only going to be a matter of time before this comes out in the media there. IIRC, he was supposed to be up in NYC organizing his famous basketball tournament this summer. Instead, he's spent it all in a Brazilian jail. That's got to raise eyebrows, somewhere.

If I were Kenny, I'd lay low for a time.

Trippleecks
08-06-05, 12:12
According to a friend of mine that was ON THAT BOAT and got busted, your friend Kenny Graham made like a little girl and tried to hide from 5-0. When he was identified, cornered and asked if he was the organizer of that boat ride he denied it. He left all 29 Brothers to fend for themselves. They did not go to jail, your correct, but they were held in custody for over 12 hours. They were also asked to leave Brazil all thanks to your friend, Mr. Chicken Shit.
He did not spend just a short time in jail, it was more like a month.

Brazil’s incomprehensible laws??? What's so confusing about the Law? Basically it says no 3rd party can benefit from prostitution. No person is allowed to promote prostitution. Your buddy did both.

Brazilman
08-07-05, 03:38
What is 5-0?

RonnyRon
08-07-05, 21:04
Brazilman,

5-0 is the police. Hope you have a good trip and be safe.

Sincerely I do.

RonnyRon

Zorglub
08-08-05, 01:22
I am no genius but knowing how things work in Rio , I guess that guy got what he deserves.
I am not against him but he should not be surprised (especially beeing a gringo) of what happened to him.

JustGotBack
08-08-05, 05:31
Hawaii 5 0.

Makes me feel old that people are too young to know that.


What is 5-0?

JustGotBack
08-08-05, 05:48
I was last in Rio a year ago and even during my stay the prices were heading up. What are the current prices?

Liucio
08-08-05, 13:35
Ken is doingwhat he needs 2 do 2 survive, 2 erk out an income?

What should he have done?

He's what you call a hustler, constantly grinding to pay the bills.

Brazilman
08-08-05, 15:56
Ronny,

I am about 8 days from paradise. Unfortunately, the exchange rate is going back down.a couple of years from now when we're getting 1.75 to 1, we are going to look back and tell stories of the good ol days when we were getting 2.9 to 3 to 1. how great it was. My biggest worries out there are not the usual things. I fear dying in a fire at a therma, dying in one of those cabs, since no one obeys lights or stop signs after 8pm, and lets not forget jaywalking in rio. The price you pay for big natural tits and asses.

Liucio
08-09-05, 02:08
How long will you be in action?

Don't forget to hit everything.

Let me know what the currency is also.

I see the CRUDE OIL went over $64/barrell today and United, Delta & American are raising their fares accordingly.

RonnyRon
08-09-05, 05:25
Brazilman,

I have been there when it was 1.15 -1.00 (not good) and I have been there when it was 3.65-1.00(excellent). I prefer the latter. LOL. But it is what it is. Like you stated before, we all gotta die one day. But if we are lucky it won't be soon. Have a good trip man.

RonnyRon

Brazilman
08-09-05, 12:03
I will be there for about 10 days. I bought my tickets a couple months ago in the 800 range. Im afraid to see what the fares will be for next trip, now that oil is even higher. I will post a little trip report. Loverboy, what company that you used had the nicest apartments for the best prices. I'm really not looking to spend more than 50 a night.

Liucio
08-09-05, 12:58
We will also remember when we were buying round trip tickets for $495.00.

Veterano
08-10-05, 00:55
They are, they were caught paying opposition legislators some US$10,000 per month each to go along with Lula's agenda items in congress!

Rio Bob
08-10-05, 01:43
I will be there for about 10 days. I bought my tickets a couple months ago in the 800 range. Im afraid to see what the fares will be for next trip, now that oil is even higher. I will post a little trip report. Loverboy, what company that you used had the nicest apartments for the best prices. I'm really not looking to spend more than 50 a night.
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CaptainNemo
08-10-05, 01:49
Can someone bribe the current ruling party and bring the government down? It will help the exchange rate.

Rio Bob
08-10-05, 01:54
I will be there for about 10 days. I bought my tickets a couple months ago in the 800 range. Im afraid to see what the fares will be for next trip, now that oil is even higher. I will post a little trip report. Loverboy, what company that you used had the nicest apartments for the best prices. I'm really not looking to spend more than 50 a night.

Just checked Continental airlines from Newark to rio and they have it for $679 roundtrip in the late October timeframe

Macunaima
08-10-05, 02:01
Rastaman asks...

"Isn't Lula da Silva's administration part of a corruption scandal right now. I'd say corruption is at the top of the Brasilian food chain, wouldn't you???"

OK, Rasta. Since you know so much about Brazilian corruption, tell me the names of three Brazilians who are being accused of corruption and what concrete evidence is against them.

BTW, I'd say corruption starts at the top of the food chain EVERYWHERE. Remember Enron...? That kind of corruption, however, isn't going to help the case of a guy who's essentially a small time foreign hustler who's currently on the very wrong side of the police.

You guys seem to thinkl that everything can be resolved in Brazil with a couple hundred dollars passed along to the right person. (Un)forntunately, that's not quite the case.

Liucio
08-10-05, 03:16
According to a Senior Analyst at Morgan Stanley, the Real is going to continue to strengthen. Today it closed at 2.28, and OIL could go higher if Bush and Pres. Chavez ( VENEZUELA) keeping giving each other the finger. The US imports %15 of its CRUDE OIL from Venezuela. I predicted back in May, that the REAL will reach 2.11 or lower by Jan 1.

There is also a planned price increase scheduled for the Hotels, rates will be increasing.

Not lets do the math:

Your currency is now weaker.

It now cost you more to buy 1 Real.

Now your plan ticket has went up already %4 from June and will continue to increase as the fuel price rises.

Now you Hotel cost has went up.

Now maybe you brain stem big spenders will start putting the pressure on these HIGH CLASS prostitutes to lower their fee.

Now lets see if these chicken sh*t big spenders will be willing to drop $R300 for these garotas.

Now maybe they will learn to negotiate for the f*ck.

If you calculate it these garotas are earning a comprable income to your selves.
Thing about it, your in a 3rd world country and she's earning maybe %10 less than you.

Its amazing what the market forces can do. Hopefully this will teach those who are not practicing negotiation to NEGOTIATE.

For the Veterans who have been going for yrs, you guys know where I'm coming from on this thing.

I keep getting these e-mails from my Garota friends that they are getting $R250-$R300 for a 2 hr job.

Hopefully these prices will burn your ass holes like Gonorrhea, you'll turn these B*tches away when the quote you these crazy prices.

Tell them what you are paying to be in that sh*t hole, and they she's already earning top Real on your currency and that you will not be f*cked up the *ss on this trip.

Stand up and negotiate and take a f*ck'in stand.
2:1 means $R300 is $150. Do the math sh*it face.

You guys know who you are. Yes $R250 it too much in an economy like yours.

The e-mails I'm getting from my Garota friends are sick.

They are starting at $R300 and are not going below $R250 sometimes.

I hope Jackson and some of the other Veterans and add to this tirade.

I'm delighted to see the price go up, I hope it goes up some of these BIG SPENDERS huge ass holes.

To you guys that love the place add your comments.

Viper10
08-10-05, 04:45
Having gone to Rio during Carnival, I could not stay away for long. I will be back to Rio Sept 9th-18th. I'm staying in the exact same apartment provided by riorentals4less. John is extremely helpful and always gets me exactly what I want. I 100% recommend them. If anyone is going to be there, PM me and we can have a couple of beers. Cheers.
Viper

Liucio
08-10-05, 12:52
The politics of course effects the confidence foreign investors have in the country. Lula is no more corrupt than his other counterparts around the globe.

When the exchange rate hits 2:1 these fools will be force to spend their currency differently. Then again the definition of a fool is that they never learn.

It amazes me when I read my e-mails from my garota friends. They are living it up with the money their raking in. The regular girls in the Meia Petaca area have all agreed to stand firm on their price and they are probably earning what non degreed laborer would earn in the States or in the EU. Well the EU would be slightly different. But the point is that they are still getting %40 more than what they should be gettig if these fools stood ground.

Lula has nothing to do with what's going on in COPA and at HELP. Those are just smart women taking advantage of sh*t faced gringos that have $1,000US to burn.
I hope Jackson can weigh in on this.

Don't concern yourselves with Lula, concern yourselves with the pricks that f*ckin up the place down there.

No wonder these guys can only visit RIO and sit at Meia Petaca all day they can't afford to venture off COPA.

Hurray! Leave em there, I don't want 2 see them up North.

Go LULA.

Wheres Jackson when I need him.

I will be there in the month of DEC and teach these clowns.

Ezinho
08-10-05, 16:00
Brazilman,

You hit it right on the head with those Taxi cab drivers and i thought New York was bad. They drive like madmen on a rampage, This one cab I was in going to Centro just missed hitting someone crossong the road by a hair.The reason for this is because here in Brasil, cars have the "right of way" on the roads, not human beings. You can't just aimlessly walk through traffic here like in many parts of the States. So even though it looks like the cars are almost hitting people, if you asked the drivers, they would say the pedestrian almost hit them lol. But if you just wait until the light turns green at the crosswalk, you should be fine.

Johnny Darko
08-10-05, 18:00
First things first. Young and Restless, you were my guide. I printed your reports which were submitted sometime early this year (Y & R, I am the one who pm’ed you for Eddy’s number). Those seven days’ reports of the time he spent in Rio, with the so-called Corey, were my version of the bible. But thanks must also go to other Rio regulars, especially Bubba Boy, as their reports were central to my sojourn in Rio.

Second things second. With humility I must write that experienced mongers will not learn much from this report. This was my first visit to Brazil and I have no special top secrets to divulge. I have written this report with newbies on my mind. I was always hestitant whether to go to Rio on my own because of the reported dangerousness attached to the place. Eventually I took the plunge and I thank my lucky stars that I did. The six days at Rio became the best week in my life.

The plan was simple : wake up late, and go to termas and Help on alternative days. Budget : 500R per day excluding accommodation and food. Three nights at the Rio Ross and two other nights in an apartment which I rented from my travel agent. I wantef to experience both as I planned to return even before I even set fot in Rio. I know I am sick. Six nights in mythical Rio. Had read so much about mongering in Rio that began doubting that such a place could really exist.

One final thing. I have read countless theorisations on how mongerers should approach their hobby on this board. My opinion, which I o not presume to be correct one but only mine, is to treat the mongering activity as a simple exchange of resources. Here I am referring to the short time transaction which I always go for. Why we should bother to SLEEP with GPs escapes me. I always thought that GPs are there to poke. Just my two cents. Two people (sometimes three) barter money with pussy. My intention is to get a PSE with a touch of GFE as a bonus. Read carefully : not a GFE with a touch of PSE! Do I ever get this. In my home country once every three times. I find that the secret is to choose the PS and treat her nice so that she gives you a touch of GFE. Anyhow, let us get back or start with the report.

Day 1

Arrived at 06.00. Rio Airport was completely empty. I had not one real but there was a man changing foreign currency who offered 2.4R for a Dollar. As I thought this was not a bad deal I changed 50 bucks and got on a metered taxi to Rio Ross. The bill came to 38R. Arrived at Rio Ross who gave a room straight away even though it was still 08.00. Could not sleep so I decided to go for a walk to set out the terrain. Reading the crime and safety thread on the WSG made a bit paranoid but I managed to walk all of Av. Atlatika – from Rue Rudolfo Dantas to Sofitel – without any problems. In fact it was the opposite. I walked like a breeze. There were a million other persons, most of them old, either walking, jogging, or on bicycle. One thing was certain at this point : Brazil is not so dangerous during the day. Read carefully though : not dangerous but no so dangerous. As I passed in front of yellowish Help I felt excited. Yeah, I know like a little boy in a chocolate factory. But what can you do. Eleven o’clock and had walked it both ways. Did not feel like phoning an escort. In fact I planned to contact any escort agencies. So, I decided to hit cordovaro (the statue of Christ).

Took a cab which deducted some 30R from my budget . I do not remember of I had to pay again to go up to the statue but if I did pay something more it was something very small. Well, I guess that for many us mongering is the biggest deal. I would not dispute that but looking to the statue from beneath was a great experience. Nothing life-changing mind you but it made me feel so small. I began imagining all the other tourists as flies. Many were snapping photographs like hell nudging each other violently to get a better view for the digi or cam recorder. Us mongers are to civilized for this (sigh). Went back to Rio Ross at 15.00 and decided to eat something before I hit a terma. I was going to order a pizza but then I remembered that some body advised to treat the reception well in monger friendly hotels so I ordered two. I did not ask the reception guys whether they wanted some. I just ordered and when the pizzas came I just put it on the reception desk and said this was a small token (made sure not to use the word present – hopefully they understood) from me. They looked dazed for a second or too but then they smiles and took a piece or two each. Forgot how much the pizzas cost or from where did I order them. But it was a local chain in Riberio Baraito (sorry about spelling) street.

Well, it was time to hot the termas. I just went out in the street hailed the first cab and asked the driver to take me to the L’Uomo terma. Imagine my surprise when I found that the driver spoke good English and that he is a regular customer to this terma. We arrived in a couple of minutes and made appointment to meet the day after the next at the same time in front of Rio Ross so that he takes me to another terma. I tried to find a way up to the second floor (or first floor?) but the escalator was not working so went up the round staircase. It took me about five minutes to find it as it somewhat concealed. I entered, front desk were pretty friendly and gave me all the necessary information. They asked me my name and I replied : ‘You mean, today’s name?’ which had them all cracked up in laughter. I was impressed. Not even 24 hours in Rio and I had not met a single unfriendly lad or lass. Is it because of the dollars (ahem, reals) in my pocket? I took a shower and found that there was only one customer (it was 17.00). Went to the bar and found some 15 garotas. At first, I was kind of shocked because they all looked bored but then, around a half an hour later, more customers came and the place picked up nicely. Started making the rounds but could not find anything with whom I wanted to crack my first nut.

Finally, met Belle who is 23 and who is black and wears green eye shadow. She was real nice although a bit pushy to go in the room. We kissed and kissed until I decided it was her. She was good, not great, but good. Three things put me off. First, her pussy was dripping with KY, second, when we finished she asked for a tip to have silicone in her boobs, and finally, she made me promise that I would not go with anybody else which I did. I know that you must be laughing hard at my ingenuity but I was still kind of dazed and played along. Anyhow, Belle is very good and pulling clients and that same evening I saw her going with three more men – more than anyone else in the terma. She is nothing out of this word but surely has a way to make your Johnny hard without touching you. In my case, it was her white as snow teeth with black lips as a background.

Had a shower, a coke or two and went to eat as they have a free dinner every Saturday. I was disappointed that the TV was on a sport channel. I wished it was a porn channel. Round two was with a girl whose name I did not ask. I was alone at the bar and all a sudden 50 cent’s song can on the audio. She just grabbed my hands and starting dancing with me. After some other songs we went on the sofa but I was not yet sure about going with her because there was a Japanese whom I was interested in. Noticing this, the ‘dancer’ began asking me : ‘U no like me?’ and when I did not respond she began saying ‘I nice girl, I like you, I stay with you’. This went on for 30 minutes whilst I smiled like an imbecile. Well, call me soft but this won me over. Usually the garotas I meet take offence when I do not show interest but this one never stopped looking at my eyes. Ok, I know it is a strategy on her part but – and this is the most important thing for me - I felt good with her. She was working for my attention and I like that. So I asked her what is her specialty and she said : ‘I do everything for you’. After an hour of kissing and hugging we went in the room. It was my second round and took about 25 minutes to come but she never complained. On the other hand, she worked hard for me to come. I am getting a hard on thinking about this.

Took a shower and left Uomo at 11.30. Total damage : 340R (two girls plus drinks). As I was leaving I could not help thinking that despite the fact that Americans receive a lot of flak on the wsg board all the ones I met at Uomo were very cool and nice to me. This thought me how wrong it is to generalize about anything in this world. Ah, another thing. As Catalyst wrote, it was practically useless to try and do some in-depth conversation with Uomo girls. I do not mind a bit as I am no Plato but thought that I should second his statement that it is difficult to engage in middle class statements with Uomo garotas. But I went there to fuck and the last thing I had on my mind was some pseudo-gfe on my first terma visit

Johnny Darko
08-10-05, 18:01
Day 2

Woke up late, went for a walk from Copacabana to Ipanema. It was Sunday and the beach was quite populated. However, I did not see any of the brown-skinned beauties in tanga bikinis that I always thought were plentiful on Rio beaches. Anyhow, it is winter I thought. Walking back I found in front of Sofitel a couple of trucks baring techno music. Could not understand the reason and kept on walking whilst becming a little paranoid of getting attacked. I know that this is stupid but after reading so many times how much dangerous Rio is one starts easily equating anything one meets his ways as a potential hazardous situation. Kept walking on alert but I quickly realized that everybody was more intent on having a good time rather than other things. Moreover, the police were omnipresent. Thus I stood watching the crowd which I began realizing contained a good number of well-sculpted males. Still did not understand though what was the event.

All of a sudden I found myself being chatted up buy a black garota who gave Christina as her name. She did not speak English but I speak also Italian and French and therefore could somehow communicate as Portuguese has a number of similar words. She was very nice and said that this was a gay parade. I asked her if she was lesbian and she could not stop laughing (felt a little stupid then). I offered her a drink and she accepted. We went to a place which had Top Beer as a name. She said she was born in a favela but was now living with friends about a 40R ride away from Copacabana. I liked her at once, especially her eyes which had a mischievous but playful glint abut them. After 30 minutes or so I remembered that I was not in Europe and that most probably this was a garota de programma. So I asked her whether she would come to my hotel in return of a present. This may sound stupid but it seemed a good idea at that time and it worked. She said yes. To cut a long story short the gift was finally established as 150R (from 250R – not bad for a first timer). Rio Ross was obliging as ever. She was great in bed and she also brought her own condoms although we used mine as I did not trust them. The f*cking problem was that after five hours and two rounds she did not seem to want to leave. I had to almost forcefully send her out. She finally asked to stay for the night but my response was to put 15R in her hand whilst saying ‘this is for the taxi’.

I took a shower and rested for another five hours before getting a cab to help. I must say that I felt uneasy getting out of the hotel as I half expected her to be waiting for me outside. I started to get the impression that one must be no Richard Gere to get clasped by a garota who would not let you go. More on this subject later. Went to Help (20R before 24.00). Outside Help there were many gps, some nice other not so nice. There were also two photographers who as soon as they see you talking the girl come to atke a photo. They were not really pestering us although they do annoy you. There was an African American (dressed in a basketball shirt) more than six feet tall who started talking to one the photographers in an abusive manner like he wanted to start a fight. The photographer backed off and the American calmed down. What do I know? I went in Help and at 01.00 the place is full of women. The ratio is 3:1 in our favour. As it was getting late I started making some choices. I approached three stunners who (each) wanted 300R. I backed off without making any other offers. Basically, I did not like their take it or leave it attitude. My motto in such places is to look for garotas who seem who are having fun and despite looking for a customer do not pester potential men. After some advances with girls with whom either I realized that there was no chemistry between us or with whom I could not communicate I picked up Chania. We chatted in Potuguese-English-Italian words and after an hour I offered 200R. She said that she wanted 300R. I just opened my wallet and showed her the 230 I had with me. I said 30 for taxi to hotel 200 for you. She seemed indecisive and told me that she was going to the toilet. She did not go to the toilet but wandered around for a bit, then came to me and said “I like you, ok” and off we went. One mistake here. I forgot to specify whether LT or ST but had no problem. After round one which was round 3 of the day I wanted to sleep badly. She wanted to talk. Do they all want to talk after sex? Gave her 210 and told her that I want to sleep. She fondled my penis as if she wanted another round but I wanted to sleep badly and I sleep only well when alone. Eventually after many kisses she left. They really get attached to you man!

Day 3

Morning was quite uneventful as I just went on the beach at Ipanema. Not a lot of people around. More classy than Copcabana and no GPs (whew!) to be seen. Did not mind as today found Centaurus on my daily planner. Surely, Centaurus is a graddaddy of a terma. It has more class than Uomo but also more expensive. Entry, 3 drinks, and two-forty minute sessions came to 635R. But the girls were special. Not that they were too hot but that they were hot and too nice. I agree with catalyst that the girls seem to have more class although I did not meet anyone who goes to university. But, of course, I did not meet every girl. Being in Centaurus is like playing the role of Hefner whilst forgetting that you have to pay the tab at the end. I arrived at 18.00 and stayed until 01.15. I had two shots. The first with a brunette who works under the name of Carla. She was very hot outside the cabin but inside she became very professional. She knew that it was my first nut so she tried to break it as fast as she could. I tried to reason things out with her, telling her to go slow as we had 40 not 10 minutes. She smiled coyly and after a minute or two she returned to her device. I tried thinking about cemetries, morgues, mice, skunks, but for nothing. After about 10 to 15 minutes I was done. I was very displeased and angry but that's life I said. The next shot, some four hours later, was with a black-skinned girl whose name has escaped me completely. This time I made sure that we kissed for an hour before going to a cabin. I was afarid that she would rush me. Being the second round I noew I would not come before 25-35 minutes. I banged her in different positions for 30 minutes. Then I wanked over her breasts until I spurted out some limited juice over her navel. She was nice and kissed me once I shot my load. Sorry that I forgot her name.

Johnny Darko
08-10-05, 18:01
Day 4

I checked out of the Rio Ross and was picked up a by a contact person to be taken in a one bedroom apartment in Rua Rudolfo Dantas, Cost was some 40$ per night payable to the travel agent in my home country. An apartment surely gives you more privacy but you also lose some of the comforts. The good thing is that all apartments have a security man so it something goes wrong – with a garota that is – there is always some back up. Again it is best to make friends with the security personnel. In my case, he helped me with my suitcase and I gave him 20R as a tip. The next day I asked the night security whether he likes wine who said yes and I gave him a bottle of wine. I like wine a lot and always take two or three bottles of my favourites brands with me when I go abroad. Even if you do not need the security it is good to feel that you are ‘friends’.

I slept all day except for a couple of hours at Copacabana to stretch my legs and eat. I considered going to Marius but thought that I could not afford the 100R bill as documented by others on this board. So I had to arrange otherwise. Anyhow, towards the evening I did not feel like going to MABS or Maetica Placa. Went to an internet café and saw the astounding reviews of Solarium on the WSG board. Okay then, I said, Solarium here I come. A quick shower, phoned my taxi friend, and was in Solarium in an hour. I was simply amazed by the selection at Solarium. The best by far. Not many internationals. I do not seem to remember much except that I was impressed by the fact that the girls were not pushy at all. I remember that two hours had passed with me flirting from one to another (sorry but I have forgotten most names from day four onwards). In fact, I though that I was doing something wrong or that I had loser written over my face. Eventually I tried one of my fantasies which is just to pick one without any introductions and start poking her there and then. I picked a brown skinned which was a little bit too skinny for my rational taste but that is how I see them in my wanking fantasies. I told her : 'I want you'. In five minutes I was banging her without knowing her name, age etc. She was a full pro. I banged her for 25 minutes and she never stopped looking in my eyes with a half partly opened mouth. I am getting a hard on all over again. She was very nice. Pity that my fantasy allows no conversation. Afterwards, I rested for three hours and then had very uneventful with Clara or Chiara. Nothing special. I guess I was not much into it and it is not her fault. This soured a bit my Solarium experience but you cannot always win. What do you say Y & R?

After these two rounds I was so tired that I got a cab directly to the apartment where I went quickly to sleep. Solarium had the best girls. However, I still had a soft spot for Uomo as it was my first terma. Went to sleep smiling.

Day 5

Woke up feeling better. Saw that my cash stock was not so healthy. Went to BlockBuster and got 600R at 2.38 per dollar. Is it good? Bad? Did not know. I always do my calculations on the plane back home. When it is always too late alas. Had some things to do and when I went back to the apartment it was almost 19.00. A quick shower, phoned my taxi friend who was at home with wife and kids, took another cab, and was at Uomo again in less than an hour. This is another good point about mongering in Rio. Pussy is always near, too near I have to say. I am sorry but this visit to Uomo is a bit of a blur. What I remember best is sitting on a stool at the bar and being smiled at by most of the girls working that night. GFE was the last thing on my mind and I was simply in heaven rubbing shoulders, and occasionally, tongues with all those beauties. I simply find no sense in saying whether the average GP was 6 or 7 or 8 in my book. But I swear no one was minus 6.5. I knew that this was going to be my last night at Rio and I was feeling sorry for myself. I actually wanted to cry at times. I was aware that my Rio visit was nothing extraordinary. No film would be made on this report. But I starting dreading to back to lousy Europe where everybody (even males but especially women) want to show how smart they are. They are working in menial jobs but they always want to make sure that they show and tell you that they are better, smarter, and richer. One thing which I miss about Rio is that my relationships with GPs were straightfoward. No grand delusions. Here, you have always to guess what the people are telling you.

Anyhow, to lift my spirits I snogged a Japanese whose name I never understood since 50 Cents' Candyshop was blaring in my ear at that time. Now, looking back I am thinking : A Japanese at Uomo? Not my fantasy? But I remember its features well. Those who go to Uomo have to help me here. Is there a Japanese garota at Uomo? Anyhow, the sex was just drab and lousy. Her body was firm but lacked that sexy curve. Or she did not know how to bend. Or, maybe, she did not like me. So I got neither PSE nor GFE. Damn. As I drowning my disappointment with an umpteenth glass of coke, I found Marina stroking my neck. We starting talking. Now she is not great. Those who know her may think her as plain. And they are right. Anyhow to cut a long story short because I am getting tired writing she gave the impression that she so hot for me. Yeah, another of my fantasies but it sure worked me up. The problem was that I had no more money on me. No problem, she said, she could leave at 24.00 and come to my apartment for 300R which I got down to 200R without taxi tips. True to her world she met me downstairs at 00.15 and off we went. She was nice and I acted as a gentlemen offering her wine and some snacks. We shagged hard and long. Knowing that this will be my last shag in Rio I could not come but her pussy was also a bit large and flabby. She said (again) no problem and started jacking me hard whilst playing with her pussy. I still find it hard to come and had to wank myself. I came and after a shower she delivered a bomb : She said that she did not want any money because I am nice and she wants stay with me the day after. In full honesty, I panicked and started thinking that she was pulling some scam. I had to catch a flight the next day afternoon - well in 10 hours time as it was 04.00. I do not know why but I felt sick with worry and wanted her out of the apartment as soon as possible. I do not know why I panicked but I did. So I thrusted the 200R in her hands and shooed her out. She gave me a long kiss and said that she will phone me. I told her I had no tel. and she just wrote hers on a piece of paper and begged me to phone when I wake up. She left, I slept

Johnny Darko
08-10-05, 18:02
Day 6 and conclusions

I left the apartment for good the next day at 11.00. Good thing about leaving early to the airport as traffic was awful and it us 90 minutes to arrive. Another twelve hours and I was in a FKK in Frankfurt. See the Frankfurt section for more details.

Conclusions - there are so much good info on this board that I do not want to repeat. So I will be very short.

Hotels versus apartments.
I think that every newbie to Rio should start by opting at a hotel and then if feeling confident moving to an apartment. If money is no problem, then I think one can actually stay at a girl-friendly hotel. This is especially convenient for lazy buggers such as me. If money is a problem then staying at an apartment can save you money. I put myself in this category.

Violence and muggings
My opinion is that if you take a cab between 20.00 and 08.00 it is unlikely (though still possible) to be mugged. I also believe that Copacaba and Ipanema is relatively safe (not the safest but relatively safe) during the day. But be on the look out especially if you are over 40 and do not look so muscular. Just my two cents.

Terma versus Help versus Escorts.
If money is a problem then escorts are a good way out. Help is a bit of gamble as we read here. I think that if you are just planning a six day holiday the termas are the best bet. I am not saying that termas are the best. There are so many f*cking variables leading to a good holiday. But I still say that they are good opportunity to access pussy and make temporary friends.

Am tired. Am on my way to log out. On the whole an experience out of this world. Now I am Rio-sick. Friends wonder why I am so sour. I am only happy just before I drift off to sleep when I think about all the good times in Rio. I do not know when I will be back. But I will.

Carlos Primeros
08-10-05, 22:37
Thank you for your report! Well done.

Luicio - Jackson can not hold your hand - he is the WEBMASTER- he gives a shit where you are or what you do!
It was made clear to you that you are kindly invite to contirbute but not to ask silly questions.

Please stop ask stupid questions - if y<ou have things to contriube - do so, otherwise *********, other members already made it clear to you. I assume that you understand English! Please one last request - no flame, that is not apreciated on this board.

Carlos Primeros - CONTIBUTOR

Dickers
08-10-05, 23:44
Thank you for the great report. I am like you I am planning my first trip to Rio
in November. The only question I have is I don't speak any Portugese would
I still be able to get around Rio or should I wait and get some lessons
on the language.

Thanx again,

AD

Jasss
08-11-05, 17:01
Have any of you experience mongers tried to arrange a meeting with brasilian girls using icq or adultfriendfinder, please guys i need some advice, is adult friendfinder real? or are the webmasters just rakin in some real crazy monies?

Bubba Boy
08-13-05, 04:14
Awesome report.

Rio Bob
08-13-05, 15:48
Thank you for the great report. I am like you I am planning my first trip to Rio
in November. The only question I have is I don't speak any Portugese would
I still be able to get around Rio or should I wait and get some lessons
on the language.

Thanx again,AD

Dickers, I do speak pretty good Portuguese now for a gringo who does not go to Rio that often compared to other posters here but there was a time that I didn't speak a word either and I still had the time of my life. Make no mistake the language enhances the experience but go anyway you will still have a great time and you will be able to get around, Copacabana is a tourist area and many people who work in the tourist area will speak some English including some of the girls, I have met some who speak very good English so you may get lucky and find one.

Young & Restless
08-13-05, 16:11
Hi Johnny Darko,

I finally had a chance to read your report. Nicely done w/ good info. I remember your PM from a while back and wondered how your trip ended. Glad to see that you had a good time and thanks for reporting on your trip.

Almost forgot... Sorry your visit to Solarium didn't end on a positive note (sounds like you had fun with the first girl though), but give Solarium another chance on your next visit to Rio. I absolutely love the place, but we all are at risk of bad/below par experiences at any of these establishments. It's just the unfortunate nature of the beast..

Ate logo amigo,

Y & R

Dickers
08-14-05, 03:06
Thanx Rio Bob this is a great learning tool for all of us who want to go to Rio but are not sure because of the language barrier.

Thanx AD.

Amerioca
08-14-05, 22:17
Has anyone gone to Rio Antigo lately? If so, what was the action like? A post would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Riohemp
08-15-05, 01:31
Has anyone gone to Rio Antigo lately? If so, what was the action like? A post would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.I was at Rio Antigo about a week ago on a Friday night and while the facilities are great the talent was still very low in my opinion. There were a couple nice looking ones but still nothing compared to Solarium or Centaurus. If you could put Solarium and Centaurus girls to work at Rio Antigo it would be the best terma in town by far. - Hemp

Liucio
08-15-05, 13:19
I agree, but what about the establishment is it more friendly and laid back
Has it been renovated and how would you rate the garotas?

Can anyone give a MORE detailed view of RIO ANTIGO?

Member #4156
08-16-05, 02:04
I arrived early this morning.

Any vets in Rio during this time. My vacation is from 15-26 of August. So if anybody is in town hit me up on the PM and we´ll go from there. I´m traveling alone and I know Im going to miss something unless I get some guidance.

Rented my apt through Ken. Very cool dude. He´ll give you the business st8 up, no chaser. Provide any service you desire. Apartment is cool. Catty-corner to the beach.

First stop, Meia Pataca. At first didnt see too much talent but this 5 1/2 (Stefani) passed me a note in ingles as soon as i ordered my food. She wanted to talk so I proceeded with my mind made up to not engage in any sex. Then I seen somethings that made me regret I even started conversating with the menina. Im too modest to even get up and call another girl over (one more desireable to the eyes) so After eating and small talk I took her number down and told her Id call her later on tonight.

Immediately Meia Pataca and hopped in a cab destination MONTE CARLO. The fuck ass cab driver didnt turn his meter on, (first time in Rio, didn~t notice til halfway there). Besides, the ride was only R10 nothing to ***** about there. Got in there and immediately met some gentlemen from the States and happen to escort me around and get me warmed up. Sorry guys no fotos today because while in the locker room i tried to sneak my cam out of my pants but the janitor lady was watching as i disrobed. I went with Nicholi, bruna morena, not really my type but she had a big ass and that was what I was looking for. The session was cool but after 25 minutes she hurried me to finished because of the discomfort of my size. On top of that, she gave me cbj. After sex came the message then back downstairs where I tried to pretend I was enjoying myself.

Then I met a familiar face. Agatha, I seen her in Big Bubble Butt Brazilian Orgy #5. Happy to see her, I called her over and we chatted in quasi portuguese. I introduced myself by telling her i knew her from the films and explained to her that I wish I had seen her earlier but I'll return on tomorrow to visit her exclusively.

It is muito cedo and I´m thinking about capping the night off by going to Help. That is of course until tomorrow when me and Ezinho suppose to hang out and by the end of the week I will have a better feel for this place and muitos fotos.

Cheers do Brasil.

Liucio
08-16-05, 13:10
Keldeson,

Will you be willing to head to RIO Antigo for a report during your trip?

Bravo
08-17-05, 00:39
Kedeson,

The reason why he didnt turn on the meter, is because he gets a comission to take you to Monte Carlo. You essentially payed him twice, once out of your pocket and then he probably returned 20 minutes later to collect his commison from the house. The next time you are at Meia Pataca, just ask one of the 5 or 6 taxi guys sitting in front of the place, to take you, wont cost you a dime.

Brazilman
08-17-05, 02:03
Well, I'm off to Brazil tomorrow. I hope everyone is well and I will post a few trip reports, including Rio Antigo, which I have never been. I decided on hotel vermont for 110 R a night. You cant beat that price, including tax. I will check out the apartments and pray they are decent. later.

Trippleecks
08-17-05, 13:25
Brazilman, I hope you do not decide to take anyone back to your room in that Hotel. 70 reais guest fees add up quickly.

Liucio
08-19-05, 06:10
A source on the ground reports that 3 tourist were robbed near Franks Bar on Thursday night. The robbery took place in the view of many poeple no one helped the young men fend off the robbers. After the robberes ran away on foot the guys that were robbed started laughing and pulling money from their shoes which was hidden away.

I guess tourist are starting to adjust to the environment in order to survive. maybe I should keep a hidden stash and a give away stash when I'm on the street.

One question that I have to ask is how can 3 guys get robbed at once. 2 maybe but 3?

Liucio
08-19-05, 13:16
A tourist invited garotas over to his table at MAB's. He sees a friend from his and he gets up to say hi. He walks away from his table to the corner of the street and has a 5 min conversation with his friend. He returns to the MAB's table and the garota has ordered another drink for him.

He sees the garota stirring his newly ordered drink.

He agrees to take 2 garotas at an unusually low price that they quote him. They also offer him to come back to there place because they said they are room mates. He gets to the apartment which is in the front of Barbarellas above a restaurant where many garotas go after work in the early morning (3am-4am).

On the elevator going up he feels a tired. After getting into their apartment they tell him a shower for him is not necessary but they will shower, but he does not have to.
He is push on the bed by one garota after she exits the shower and he is to exhausted to f*uck. She pulls off his clothes as she blows him and thats all he remembers.

He wakes up 9am in the morning the next day feeling tired after getting in the at 7pm the previous night.

He prepares to open his wallet to pay the garota and he is missing some $100REAIS and two 3 Fifty Dollar American bills.

He starts to complain but the garota quickly tells him she will call the POLICIA and will not allow him to leave the apartment without payment.

He pays $R300 and opens the door walking towards the elevador.

After he exits the apartmnt he realises his (ICE ROCK) bracelet is not on his wrist.

He valued his (ICE ROCK) to be worth $US500 US dollars.

He has been told by garotas that other garotas are buying a DRUG call AMBIEN which is a small dosage tranquillizer that relaxes you so that you can sleep.

Pilots and Doctors in hospitals use this drug to induce sleep after working long hours.
It has no side effects and no after taste and when taken on an empty stomach you can be out in a deep sleep in 30mins.

Do not let women order your drinks or prepare your food when you are invited to their flats. Keep your drink close to you.

I have heard similar stories during Carnival.

Macunaima
08-19-05, 18:18
On the streets, the drug in question is called "Boa Noite Cinderella" (Good Night Ciinderella). Several of our prostitute informants have said that it is available under the table from barmen in almost any open air club or bar along the strip. The woman doesn't have to prepare it for you, just tip the barman to do it for her, so I'm not sure how not letting her prepare your drink will help you out.

What I suggest is that you refrain from going anywhere for a half-hour or so after your last drink. By then, you should begin to feel the effects if something is amiss and catch a taxi back to your hotel to sleep off the effects. If you DO start to feel inexplicably drowsy, DO NOT go back to your hotel with anyone and if you are with someone, get them out of your room as fast as possible.

I won't say where we've heard GNC stories, but I will say that you can be relatively sure that something like this won't happen to you at Help or one of the more expensive clubs or termas, at least with the collusion of the bar workers (what the woman herself might do is open to question anywhere). It seems to be more common in the open-air pick-up joints along the strip (like Mabs, already mentioned).

I also wonder what your friend thought he was doing by walking around with a 500 USD bracelet on his arm in Rio de Janeiro. That kind of behavior is just plain stupid. It's like sticking a big "Hey! Scam me! I'm new here!" sign on one's forehead. Take the MINIMUM ammount of cash you need out with you and leave the expensive fashion acessories back home where they belong. They don't impress anyone here as being anything other than a spectacular display of naiveté.

Fido Dido
08-19-05, 21:50
When I read the posting on this site I really get very sad.

Reading of a guy who got drugged and reading about a guy who wrote:

"The session was cool but after 25 minutes she hurried me to finished
because of the discomfort of my size. On top of that, she gave me cbj."

That you get yourself fooled is your own mistake. But what is really terrible is that you spoil the market for your fellow travellers.

It is already clear in Rio. The girls in the touristic areas only offer CBJ. The girls in the non-touristic areas ask you if you want to come in their mouth.

My god, what do you want. In a few years all Latinas will be turned into Gringas. If you like Gringas so much pleased stay home.

Please read the reports on this site of "buba boy" or the report of "bwana dick" on EZ RioRentals.

And please, please be a little bit hard. The girls don't love you, they love your money! Don't walk after your dick. The Rio girls laugh at you when you are gone.

Perkele
08-20-05, 05:08
Liucio.

What's new on your post? This has been ongoing forever in Rio. Everybody knows about "Good night Cinderella".

Anyway, who is so dumb that takes $500 bracelet to Rio?

P

Veterano
08-20-05, 05:26
My ICE ROCK is worth over $500 and I carry it in my sock

Veterano

Member #4156
08-20-05, 13:18
When I read the posting on this site I really get very sad.

Reading of a guy who got drugged and reading about a guy who wrote:

"The session was cool but after 25 minutes she hurried me to finished
because of the discomfort of my size. On top of that, she gave me cbj."

That you get yourself fooled is your own mistake. But what is really terrible is that you spoil the market for your fellow travellers.

It is already clear in Rio. The girls in the touristic areas only offer CBJ. The girls in the non-touristic areas ask you if you want to come in their mouth.

My god, what do you want. In a few years all Latinas will be turned into Gringas. If you like Gringas so much pleased stay home.

Please read the reports on this site of "buba boy" or the report of "bwana dick" on EZ RioRentals.

And please, please be a little bit hard. The girls don't love you, they love your money! Don't walk after your dick. The Rio girls laugh at you when you are gone.LOL, man you´ve got it all wrong. LOL!

I believe this post was directed towards me.

Yes, I made a big mistake thinking Brazilian women liked big dicks and all Garotas love anal before arriving here Rio. I admit that. Apparently that is not the case. And besides, I don't really like bjs anyway. But I feel good someone is actually reading my post anyway because I never post here, just PMs.

Pepole, don't be fooled. I only posted my experience about my first time in a Terma. That´s it. I don´t see how anyone could get sad over some idiotic shit like that. Trust me. Dont feel sad. You wont find any sympathy around here. LOL! I´m just an inico. Plenty more stories to tell outside of the Tourist scene. But thanks for being concerned. LOL!

On the positive note, if any of you guys never been to Dito Feito, you need to go. Many nice girls. Not working. Very friendly and are willing to hook up for livre. My Brazilian friend took me around Zona Norte and places he said that no American has never gone (I forget the names) and trust me, learning Portuguese is a Plus ++. I don´t see how anyone could be faithful in this place.

Plenty pictures to come soon. And for the record, I was never drugged. I just want to clear that shit up. LOL!

Trippleecks
08-20-05, 13:54
Macunaima, sorry but with "Boa Noite Cinderella" he would not have awakened for at least 18 hours or more. If he got up at 9am it most likely was Ambien.

NEVER INGEST ANYTHING A GIRL GIVES YOU, EVEN GUM.
NEVER LEAVE YOUR DRINK UN-ATTENDED.

These are simple things but guys never pay attention.
If that guy wore his ICE BRACELET out on the town in Rio, he deserved to lose it.

RonnyRon
08-20-05, 15:07
I also wonder what your friend thought he was doing by walking around with a 500 USD bracelet on his arm in Rio de Janeiro. That kind of behavior is just plain stupid. It's like sticking a big "Hey! Scam me! I'm new here!" sign on one's forehead. Take the MINIMUM ammount of cash you need out with you and leave the expensive fashion acessories back home where they belong. They don't impress anyone here as being anything other than a spectacular display of naiveté.

I met this guy at Help in April. His neck and both wrist had enough diamonds to fund a college education. Guy must have thought he was in Vegas. He was just a mark screaming to be hit. I totally agree with Nodd_N & Macunaima. If you bring your bling to Rio and wear it, you deserve what you get. I don't even wear a watch in Rio.

RonnyRon

Brazilman
08-20-05, 15:41
First of all, what is this guy doing taking a mixed drink from a bartender or anyone else in copacabana. I only buy drinks that are given to me CLOSED. That would include, for me, WATER or RED BULL. You can have a martini in the US. btw, the cambio´s, as of this morning, are giving 2.4 and if you change enough- 2.43- 2.45. They are always better than the ATM.

Liucio
08-20-05, 16:46
Wait guys come on,

You mean to tell me while sitting on the beach you have never got up form your chair to dip in the Ocean. Its only takes about 60seconds to run across the sand into the the ocean and back to your beach chair. Are you saying you have never done that.

I do not know the gentleman but he is looking for the women that has his bracelet. I received an e-mail about the incident. Can you believe this guy is walking up and down Copa looking for these 2 garotas.

I have been invited back to many garotas aprtmnts and they have prepared food in which I have eaten. I never had a problem with trusting some garotas but not the RIO hard core garotas.

Nodd wrote that you CAN'T except chewing gum.

Macunaima
08-21-05, 00:56
Lucio, there's no such thing as a "hard core girl". All the girls will scam you if they think that they can get away with it or if you show that you're big enough fool, and your acquaintance certainly fits that decription.

I mean what does he think he's going to do if he finds these girls? Threaten them? Beat them up? Ask them pretty please for his rocks back? It's not like they'll be carrying his jewelry on them. He assaults them and he's looking at some very hefty legal troubles. It's his word against theirs, anyway, no proof, just a loud-mouthed gringo who obviously hasn't a clue screaming about how two pros ripped him off. What do you think the average cop's tolerance is for a situation like this?

I love these guys, man. They act as if they're so tough and so street-wise and then, when they pull a boner like this, you realize that for all the fashion acessories, the guy is probably more used to walking around Disneyland than anything that approximates real life. Without a police force to back him up, he's lost. And God help him if he actually tries to use violence on these women. I think he'd quickly find out why they are called "piranhas".

Gentlemen, I can't stress this enough: leave the macho posturing and bling-bling at home. This is a dangerous city and most of the people you'll be dealing with on the Copa strip are FAR more desperate than you are and they are frankly not impressed with big muscles and tough guy poses. The most dangerous motherfuckers out there are weasly little dudes with bad hairdos and anyone whose worked Copa more than a couple weeks has figured out that appearances don't mean a good god-damn when it comes to the capacity for serious violence.

Liucio
08-21-05, 03:16
It's not a condo, its a 4 STAR HOTEL the will be developed.

That won't take place for at least another year or two.

Nothing to worry about in the short term.

Liucio
08-21-05, 17:22
Your right I could not imagine seening a GRINGO walking up and down COPA looking for two girls that robbed him. Its actually hullarious.

I mean its been said that he's asking every girl about these two girls and where he can find them.

If you think about it $US500 is not that much to lose, and it wasn't currency. It was jewerly so he should chalk it up and forget it.

I wonder if he has filed a POLICIA report.

These young CATS have gone crazy.

He going to ruin his trip looking for these girls.

These guys in their muscle shorts and tatoos have gone crazy.

You see tem in the airport and you try to stay away.

They have the big headpohne bouncing to JAY-Z and I just walk to the other side of the airport.

That is the reason, I only pass thru RIO. I gave it up. They can have Meia Pattaca and HELP.

In another year that place will only get worse.

Henry R
08-21-05, 19:57
Liucio,

You wrote the towers replacing Help Disco won't be ready for a year or two so we don't have anything to worry about until then. But doesn't Help's lease end this December? Won't Help close at the end of this year, regardless of when the towers are completed?

Ezinho
08-21-05, 23:14
Also Club Help needs to stop catering to these crunk maggots and play some real brazilian music.I agree with you that the music sucks, but they cater to those losers (oops, I mean people lol) because they're the majority of people that go to Help. No self-respecting Brasilian would be caught dead inside Help, so why play music that caters to them.

Macunaima
08-21-05, 23:41
Lu, but with all due respect, where the hell are you getting your info from? I Help was fixing to be torn down, there'd surely be some news about it somewhere, but I can't find anything, nor have I heard anything.

I think you're passing some blue sky, what-if rumors along as if they were hardcore fact. Right now, the Help complex is one of the best paying ventures on the Orla. why would someone tear that down when there are so many other places to take out that aren't paying squat?

Why shoot the goose that lays the golden eggs when there's so many lame ducks just begging for a bullet?

Even if this were to occur, I'd say the time table is more like 5 years to a decade, not "a couple of years", as you have it.

Liucio
08-22-05, 04:01
Who knows, maybe you and & I could prop up a dark shit hole with a DJ booth and some soiled couches and charge GRINGO's to dance to out dated EASTERN EURO TECHNO. I say that a great investment idea.

No but seriously its on a TOURIST FLAVELA.

You wouldn't catch Brazilian trend setters in there.

But I had better be careful of what I say about that place because its regarded to some a Historical Cathredral, and I would only generate hate post.

On the serious side it should be around until the draft & sign the papers.

So, don't worry, your safe for now.

Doc Bill
08-22-05, 10:57
Well as long as the termas prosper, I'll do just fine. I don't even go to HELP anymore. Hey, maybe if they close it down the termas will expand...what a great thing that would be!

Liucio
08-22-05, 12:37
Henry R,

True but they can still continue on a month to month lease.

My experience in Brazil and with businessmen there is that nothing is on time, everything comes in over budget, and there is always a hitch that ties things up. So HELP could still be open for CARNIVAL in '07.

Rio Bob
08-23-05, 00:17
Lu, but with all due respect, where the hell are you getting your info from? I Help was fixing to be torn down, there'd surely be some news about it somewhere, but I can't find anything, nor have I heard anything.

I think you're passing some blue sky, what-if rumors along as if they were hardcore fact. Right now, the Help complex is one of the best paying ventures on the Orla. why would someone tear that down when there are so many other places to take out that aren't paying squat?

Why shoot the goose that lays the golden eggs when there's so many lame ducks just begging for a bullet?

Even if this were to occur, I'd say the time table is more like 5 years to a decade, not "a couple of years", as you have it.

This is pretty much common knowledge now coming from many sources and I have heard it was in the local papers.

Like I said before Rio was a good place to go before Help was there in the early 80's and I spent most of my time in the Cafes along ave atlantico and the boites in the lido section like Barbarellas.

As far as a local club taking over Help's place, I think that will be tough considering that Help is the biggest disco in all of America Latina. And I am not sure that any other club would want to loose there current patrons to then be taken over by the GDP's and us.

But of course if change is going to happen then there will be an adjustment period and then things will settle some place, who knows where, there is a large club in the Cassino shopping center maybe that will be it.

Rio Bob
08-23-05, 01:17
I agree with you that the music sucks, but they cater to those losers (oops, I mean people lol) because they're the majority of people that go to Help. No self-respecting Brasilian would be caught dead inside Help, so why play music that caters to them.

Ok maybe no self respecting Brasilian would be caught dead in Help but through the years I have seen plenty of them there. Yes the music sucks in Help now, I used to love the music in Help but last couple of trips, the experience wasn't as good but I did most of the time manage to find a good choice to take home despite the music.

Bravo
08-23-05, 01:52
Help is not the biggest club in all of Latin America. Hell, its not even the biggest club in Rio! Go to Via Show and you will see a club 3 or 4 times the size of Help.

Liucio
08-23-05, 02:22
I am so very so to dissapoint that the place is on the deconstruction list. I a so sorry you had to hear the news from me.

But if I can archive the not one but two articles, that were published maybe 2yr ago, I will send them to you.

Sorry that this news slipped past you. I am sure there will be no hand holding protest and picketing done by Brazilians to save the MONUMENT. (LOL)

Only kidding Macunaima.

But as slow as the buearacracy is there, I don't think it will take 5yrs.

To RIO BOB,

The first time I went there was on my first trip to Brazil. I was there the week prior to Carnival but not Carnival week.

The place was great then. There was a party every night in FEB leading up to Carnival week.

It was SAMBA music.

But now the place has changed. I used to love it back 9 yrs ago. But now I walk right past it.

Its a great place to some and I understand the euphorea, so I won't knock it.

I just laugh but to each its own.

It's more of a tourist destination than anything else.

A couple of years ago went to see a DJ battle in SP. This was huge some of the biggest names in Brazil and I was in the crowd. Well I asked some of the DJ's from Rio if they ever spin at HELP and they laughed and said NUNCA, NUNCA.

I'm not bashing the place. I did it a couple of times but I prefer other clubs for SAMBA, RAGGAE, and OLD SCHOOL TURNTABLE SCRATCHING in RIO.

Like EZINHO said " it caters to those special ones"

Rio Bob
08-23-05, 03:22
Help is not the biggest club in all of Latin America. Hell, its not even the biggest club in Rio! Go to Via Show and you will see a club 3 or 4 times the size of Help.

Is Via Show a disco type of Club? or just a big hall. I think i've seen pictures of it and it looked like a big hall to me.

Ee2002
08-23-05, 09:57
I'm not a big fan of todays hip hop,but a lot of peolpe like it.Especially YOUNG people and that includes brazilians.I went to a Snoop Dog concert in Rio(1 hour from Copa) and that place was filled with Brasilians who even knew the lyrics to his songs.Remember these garotas are mostly young (18-25yrs) so they listen to the most popular hits out there whether in Brasil or anywhere else.

If you listen to the Brazilian radio(at least in Rio) half of the music is American and includes hip hop.I notice that when hip hop is played in Help more girls hit the dance floor than the other stuff(outside of Brazilian music).The point is just because you don't like it doesn't mean they don't as well.It's not just played for the "black Americans" going to Rio.

That techno music is just as annoying ,IMHO.

Liucio
08-23-05, 12:31
Can you list the address of this club and what kind of music is played?

What's the ratio M/W?

Macunaima
08-23-05, 22:53
So post the articles, Lu.

Because the only place I've seen where this rumor is treated like fact is here on this board.

Ee2002
08-23-05, 23:44
Yeah that doesn't surprise me at all.Hip hop may not be great,but it's good music to dance and party to.

Just to get back to mongering (semi). Guys going down should buy a Hip hop mix cd to play in your room when you have a garota in your room.These girls love to party and have fun.Its a good way to get them more relaxed into the mood,especially for photos.Also brazilian music is good too,I always ask the girl what kind of music they like.

Bravo
08-24-05, 01:24
Hip Hop is huge all over the world, not just Brasil.

Via Show is about 35-40 minutes away from Copa. If I remember correctly, its free for women, or its a really lower than the men's admission fee. The ratio is about 8/1 (women to men). Non working girls, you gotta be able to speak some of the lingo and have a little bit of game to pick these girls up. The quality is out of this freaking world, any saturday night, you will find females that blow Centaraus girls out of the water.

Liucio
08-24-05, 07:55
I have'nt been inside the place in years. I just remember what they were playing when I went in with a someone else. They played Techno. Techno all night. I said never again.

During Carnival they play SAMBA which I love. I would only go inside during Carnival thats it. Not on a regular FRI or SAT nite.

When I am in RIO I go to CLUBS for dancing, then in the front of HELP afterwards. I don't mix the two. When there's 6,000 decibels blasting in my ear, it has to be some shit I can appreciate. (LOL)

There are many gents that don't like HELP but there are more that do. And it serves its purpose. Which is a gathering PIT for the garotas to dress in their best attire. Thats my only interest in the place.

Member #2612, I seen JA RULE, in RECIFE. The place was reduculous. I'm talking garotas de la carte. The place was packed, you could really dance, just jump up and down. And yea they knew the lyrics.

So many beautiful girls. Its an experience.

Liucio
08-24-05, 13:09
Bravo,

Can you provide a more detailed direction or address for VIA SHOW? How long has it been since you were there?

JustGotBack
08-24-05, 16:33
I agree about the front of Help. When I was in Rio, I did go to Help everynight for lack of anything better to do. But I noticed that the girls that hung out in front and didn't go in were generally hotter than the girls inside. So what does it matter if they tear Help down? As long as that outdoor cafe/restuarant stays open in front of Help and the girls keeping hanging around out there it's no big loss.

BootyLover
08-24-05, 22:19
I'll finally be in Rio fr one week. I did my home work and will stick to the termas and to a lesser extent to escorts (karla's & amantescia)> Top priority nailing popozudas of different colors in the A-hole. let me know if I'm missing something or if you have a clue.

P.S. I also like hairy girls

Bravo
08-25-05, 02:17
Liucio,

I think the city is called Caxias (not exactly sure) you can ask any cab driver, they will know where it is. It will run you about 40-50R in cab fare. Everybody knows about Via Show. Ask and Terma or Help girl and watch a big smile unfold upon their face when they describe it:-)

Perkele
08-25-05, 07:19
Liucio,

I think the city is called Caxias (not exactly sure) you can ask any cab driver, they will know where it is. It will run you about 40-50R in cab fare. Everybody knows about Via Show. Ask and Terma or Help girl and watch a big smile unfold upon their face when they describe it:-)No the "city" is Sao Joao de Meriti. From Zona Sul you take Linha Vermelha until Rio - Sao Paulo HW and its about 5 km on the right side. Can't miss it.

Don't go alone unless you speak portuguese.

P

Trippleecks
08-25-05, 12:21
JustGotBack .. I don't think you understand completely. If and when Help Disco. goes, so will the Restaurant Terrasso Atlantico and the sidewalk cafe in front of it. They are all run by the same people that own Help Disco.

It will not matter much as another place like that cafe will most likely take over or they will open a new one.

Liucio
08-25-05, 13:30
Bravo,

Thanks, you just added another destination to my trip. I'll go there and report, hopefully I'll pull some ass out of there.

Thanks

Almotu
08-25-05, 20:25
everyone is talking about how hot the girls that stay in front of help are. how you should go off the beaten path to new places, clubs and pick up non-pros, etc.

please realize that most of the time, garotas that don't go into help are ****. be careful about picking hot girls up - pros or non-pros, always check their id. if they forgot it, or it looks like a copy stay away! if you go inside help, the termas or use the escort agencies there is an extra layer of protection against **** girls. it still doesn't combat against a really well made fake id but at least you have a bit of an alibi.

let's hope it doesn't come to that when you have to explain to the police.

play smart and play safe,

almotu

Java Man
08-26-05, 02:52
Via Show has an extensive website, with gallery of fotos and schedule of events. it's all in portuguese, of course.

www.viashow.com.br

Jaimito Cartero
08-26-05, 04:29
I noticed that they will be having a film festival the 4 weeks I'll be in Rio in September. Has anyone gone to any of the viewings there? I'm trying to find some other interesting stuff (as opposed to women) while I'm in Rio.

Liucio
08-28-05, 20:13
OK, guys just received an e-mail from a source on the ground and Meia Pettaca is very slow. Not many guys this past weekend. Someone counted maybe 10 guys Friday night and not much action last night.

I guess this is'nt the right time.

BootyLover
08-29-05, 00:07
I engaged the enemy. 3 holes plugged for 100 RH (including tip). I don't speak portuguese but dare to call amantes&Cia, which is in fact a very small company working 24/7. Although 4X4 is unfortunately closed on sundays, I managed to get my faire share of big butt/small tits meal. She, the only negra there, asks for repeat business and will get it since next we will play 6 holes circuit. She sucks well and take the greek like a champ (not too loose). Sorry not photo yet

Member #4156
08-29-05, 01:18
4x4,

I decided to go to 4x4 this night and I'm still shaking in my shoes to carry my camera. Sorry Ronny Ron but I didnt have the guts this night. I after arriving getting to the bar, I can barely walk through the door without my ass being grabbed. I did not look back because I wanted to atleast look around before some girl starts occupying herself with me. Kind of packed that night around 9:30, alot of guys and there is a strip show going on. The tallest darkest chick grabs me from behind and starts talking to me, then gets in front of me and starts to shake that ass. She has the biggest bunda in the house so I decide to look no more. We ended up getting a cabine. BBJ, anal, massage, and good conversation. Sorry I didnt get any pics nor remebered her name. I have yet to maseter the digicam in the robe pocket without the janitor lady looking but more on that later. 4x4 was excellent because of the price/selection ratio. Unfortunately I only went one time. Highly recommended IMHO.

Member #4156
08-29-05, 02:26
on this night i decided to take a break from the tourist themes. and after visiting centro and zona norte during the day, my brasilian friend had me to meet him downtown around praça xv and we were going to this club dito feito that night. this was a very unique experiecne to me because for once i was looking forward to be the only foreigner in the house and go unnoticed. well, half of my wishes were granted. my brasilian friend is an english teacher and one of his students has alot of friend girls and she brought them along. one of them wanted to "ficar" with me immediately after we met but she was too shy to tell me. she told my friend that we don't even have to talk, just start kissing. so what the hell, i'm in brazil, i go ahead and grant the girl her wish. i felt like i was a famous ball player doing some type of charity event or something. overall dito feito has a different vibe. they play funk there and the girls just go wild. alot of **** looking garotas there. a place where you wouldn't want to go if youp're looking for a quick hookup. i wouldn't call myself lucky but still, what i was after payed me no mind. ahh! brasil.

Liucio
08-29-05, 06:17
Keldeson,

Don't forget to report on RIO Antigo.

Do you need the address?

Member #4156
08-29-05, 07:40
Keldeson,

Don't forget to report on RIO Antigo.

Do you need the address?Sorry Lucio, I didnt get a chance to go. I didn't even get a chance to go to Centarus nor 65 nor Barbarellas. I'm back at home now as we speak trying to re-count my every move day by day in a chronological order between this thread and the photo thread. Sorry bro.

Member #4156
08-29-05, 07:57
This was a Friday and after handling business downtown I met up with my Cariocan friend and we went to Maracana, visited his university and then went on to Meier in Zona Norte. There I helped him teach his class and I allowed the students to ask me anything under that was on their mind. They were excited but shy at the same time because they never get to see tourists and speaking English with a native speaker was a treat for his class. Afterwards, I promised him I'll take him to Help since he'd never been there and he'd shown me so many things. He said growing up as a child his father worked in the neighborhood and he heard about all the tourist traps and robberies and the hookers that hang out there and that is no place any cariocan in their right mind would be caught dead in. True story.

So we ended up back in Copacabana around 10:30 and I have him over at my apartment coaching him what to do and what not to do. He speaks perfect English and he wants to play the Dumb American so he can see how the girls react to him. Fast foward >> We get there and he loves the place because of the excitement and some of the girls happen to be pretty hot that night. We go up stairs and we sit on the couch and he gets a proprosition from a garota who ends up quoting him 300Reais. LOL. And she wasn't even cute. I myself was stopped a beautiful morena walking by my while I'm sitting on the couch up stairs who I will happen to get to know very well in the next week (more on this story later). We're sitting on the couch and she's telling me about that I have a reputation that all I like to do is talk to the girls and never leave with no one. Take names and numbers but I never call anyone. But for some reason, I want her number but I'm glad my friend is with me because he won't let me do anything stupid tonight. She tells me that she won't give me her number to fuck but she's joking. She asks have I been to any Termas since I been in Rio. I told her 4X4 and Monte Carlo and I don't plan on going back to any others. She told me I could find her at L'uomo but I forgot what days she worked. Since she didn't give me her number, I had forgotten her name that night (Ingrid). Beautiful babe. Beautiful.

Immediately after the conversation, I leave to let my brasilian friend in my apartment so he can get his stuff and I'm leaning towards going back there to talk some more with Ingrid but I stood strong that night.

Member #4156
08-29-05, 08:16
I make my way to L'uomo right after opening.

I get dressed and first thing I do is get me a capirina. While my head is spinning, I notice that I do not see the girl that I came to see. But there is this blond licking her lips right across from me and is kind of hard to take my eye off her. I ended up going with her. The name is Kate pronounced as Cache like that shit thats in the register of the computers or some shit. Good fuck. Blonds are not my type but if that's what you're into, she's complete. I'll never forget her calling me filho da puta over and over again when she kept cumming. She kept saing Nao para. LOL! Afterwards, I asked her about Ingrid and she told me that she worked the next day. I went back to the bar and I seen another beautiful morena with long black natural hair. Jozana. I never got a chance to fuck her but I wish I would have. We talked for about an hour before I left. I told her I would come back to see her the next day and that I wish I had seen her first. She told me that she lives with her parents, she would have arrived earlier but her parents think she works somewhere else and she has to make an alternate route to copacabana every day.

Sorry Ronny, this day, I was still shook about bringing the digital cam but I promise you it'll get greater later.

Boozer
08-30-05, 06:33
Based on a report in this forum I decided to try out Praia Club 400, located at the North end of the beach at Barra. I dropped in early (about 6:30pm) one evening with very low expectations, since it was a Monday in late Winter. I checked in and went directly into the boate (no locker room or robes here).

The club is more expensive than the Centro Termas - entrance fee is $R30, and a beer is R$14. Basic rooms without a bath are $R160 for 40 minutes and $R210 for 60 minutes. Suites with bath range from $R230 to over R$300. These prices are for CASH, there is an extra charge for using a credit card (I don't remember the amount). You pay on the way to the room with your 'date'.

I was very pleasantly surprised as the room contained about 4 guys and about 12-15 ladies (with more arriving regularly). There seemed to be a lot of blondes, and a lot of 20 year olds, generally in the 7-9 range. They are dressed in Termas outfits that show a lot of skin. I selected Bianca, a tall light brown haired Carioca with a large bunda and large natural chest. She immediately sat down next to me and began making out - no pressure to buy her a drink or go upstairs.

I decided to try out the facilities and Bianca so I finished my beer and suggested we go upstairs. I selected the basic room for one hour, paid the fee, and off we went. I enjoyed an hour of non-stop action and had to hit the road, but I think Bianca would have hung out for a while and continued to make out after our session - the place had that kind of vibe and she had a great attitude. As I was leaving, I passed a sultry morena just arriving for work that almost stopped my in my tracks in the lobby area.

In short, I was impressed with the quality and quantity, especially on a Monday in the Winter. I had visited 4x4 (my favorite) the week before and found the quality slightly lower on average (but they have a much larger selection). If you are not careful at Praia Club you can end up with a lareger bill than you expect. However, it is a good option if you happen to be staying in Tijuca, as round trip cab fare to Rio or Centro would even things out a bit.

Java Man
08-30-05, 18:55
website:
http://www.praiaclub400.com.br/index.php

no garota pics, nor pricing info on site.
open monday to sat, (sat is swingers night, btw)

i arrive in Rio next week. based on Boozers review, i'll have to pay it a visit.

Jaimito Cartero
08-31-05, 02:37
A couple of people have asked me about this film festival that I mentioned last week. I don't have any other details other than the website. I'm not sure if you can buy tickets to individual movies, or if you have to buy the whole series.

http://www.festivaldorio.com.br/f2005/pre/index.html

Liucio
08-31-05, 13:09
Boozer,

What are the hours of Praia CLUB 400?

Was the selection better than SOLARIUM?

Do you think I can get my camera in?

BootyLover
08-31-05, 14:45
I've spent a couple of hours at Meia Pataca in recon mode. Very few garotas there could meet my expectations. Around 9:30 transvestites showed up and hooked up with their lovers (not my cup of tea).
The bare minimum was 150 R$ if you could speak portuguese. didn't bother to visit Help when most of the crowd moved there. I stick to escorts which are now waging a price war(good news for mongers). I'll hit the termas soon and will keep you posted

Boozer
09-02-05, 04:42
Liucio,

Praia Club 400 opens at 6pm. I'm not sure if it closes at midnite or 2am. I did not get to Solarium this trip, so I don't know. If you can fit your camera in your pocket, you're in, as you sit in the boate in street clothes. If you get there I'll look forward to the pix when you post them - good luck!

BootyLover
09-02-05, 06:05
I hit 4X4 recently, strongly impressed by the terma concept. Very well organized. girls quality was good while price was relatively low. This place is a keeper and the girls are very friendly.I realized as with any other Rio girls the front door is overused therefore, It would be better to use the backdoor. (I did)

Jaimito Cartero
09-04-05, 21:19
I made it to Rio last night. I took Gol from SP for 99R plus tax (110R or so), one way. I'm using an award ticket and had them open jaw it, so am returning from Rio.

Flying out of Congrohus was pretty easy. I showed up 2 hours in advance, since I was just sitting around my hotel lobby (and had already rode the SP subway for 2 hours wasting time). No problems checking in a 25k piece of luggage, plus bring a laptop bag and large rollerboard. You get to choose your seats which is nice.

The 40 minute flight is decent. I rode on a Boeing 737-700 which was in good shape. They serve free drinks, and give you a snack box with crackers and a fruit bar. The plane was pretty full, I'd say 90-95%. It was continuing on to Fortaleza, so this may have contributed to it. I'd say 30% of the people got off the plane in GIG.

I'm renting John Thompson's personal apartment, and he met me to show it to me. Seemed decent enough, but the TV is messed up, and no sound. And so far the bed is not up to snuff. I need a nice firm mattress, or I end up walking around like a cripple. I was a cripple today. John was helpful, and got me a semi-firm mattress to put on top of the soft one. Hopefully it will be better tonight.

Off to get my first meal in Rio.

Thone
09-04-05, 23:42
Does anyone know where my favorites at Luomo went? Please, please!

Last year I saw Monique: Very tall brunette, a bad girl! Also Amanda, a very shy brunette. If I can't find them I may have to cancel my trip or become a homo! Lol.

Any recomendations?

Bubba Boy
09-05-05, 16:45
Monique (she was the one with the sylvester tat on here back?) was not there in June. I believe she left for good, don't know where.

Metkim
09-05-05, 19:47
Hey there,

I am currently in Rio until the 9/11 and want to know if there is anyone else out there that might have traveled solo that would like to meet for a drink and to check out the night life?

JohnnyBlazze
09-05-05, 20:53
Gentlemen,
I originally posted this on the wrong board. I will be in Rio at the end of Sept and will be staying in an apt at Rua Djalma Ulrich in Copacabana. I was looking for this street on a map somewhere but had no luck so far. Could anyone tell me what cross street Help is on, and how far away it is from Rua Djalma Ulrich.

I am trying to make a list if all the places I go to and their street addresses - so far I have no addresses, just names. Any assistance would be appreciated. Also if any fellow hobbiest will be in Cocacabana the last week in Sept, and want to meet up for a drink - let a brotha know.

Regards,
Johnny B

Liucio
09-05-05, 21:08
There is a HUGE SAMBA festa tonite in Santa Tereza.

Its for a younger crowd (18-25)

If you want to meet young Cariocas (non -pros) this is your chance.

I do not have an formal address.

Jaimito Cartero
09-05-05, 21:41
Gentlemen,
I originally posted this on the wrong board. I will be in Rio at the end of Sept and will be staying in an apt at Rua Djalma Ulrich in Copacabana. I was looking for this street on a map somewhere but had no luck so far. Could anyone tell me what cross street Help is on, and how far away it is from Rua Djalma Ulrich.

I am trying to make a list if all the places I go to and their street addresses - so far I have no addresses, just names. Any assistance would be appreciated. Also if any fellow hobbiest will be in Cocacabana the last week in Sept, and want to meet up for a drink - let a brotha know.

Regards,
Johnny B

I am on the Rua Djalma Ulrich right now at John Thompson's place. You should not be more than 3-4 blocks away. Help is on Avenida Atlantico and between your street and Miguel Lemos, I think. It basically fronts the beach.

I went there last night, and got in before midnight (20R). After midnight is 30R. I went in about 11:15pm, and there were only 10 people inside. There's a rush just before midnight to beat the price increase. An hour later you could barely walk around.

I sat next to a guy who had gotten "Cinderellaed". He had done some research (not on here though), so he should have known better. It seems getting a dupla can be dangerous.

Metkim
09-05-05, 23:56
Hi there,

I'm in Rio currently and was wondering if there might be any other guys who traveled solo to Rio that would like to meet for drinks and mongering.

Thone
09-06-05, 00:21
Monique (she was the one with the sylvester tat on here back?) was not there in June. I believe she left for good, don't know where.Thanks a lot Bubba. I really appreciate the update! Dam! Monique was a total turnon for me. Any recomendations? Luomo or otherwise? Thanks in advance!

JohnnyBlazze
09-06-05, 01:25
Jaimito - thanks for the info. I feel a lot better now knowing I am very close to HELP, would you suggest taking a taxi back afterwards or is it safe/quick enough to walk. Also have you gone to any termas yet . The following is a list of Termas I am trying to get a street address for. Everyones input will be appreciated.

Monte Carlo - Siqueira Campos?
Luomos L’Uomo terma)- upstairs in a shopping mall. street?
Solarium - street?
4x4 - street?
Remulos - heard about this on this board - is this a strip club? is it safe

Also - what is a 'cinderalla'? just curious.

Regards,
Johnny B

Cachorro
09-06-05, 02:19
Johnny, for addresses and everything else you need to know, check out Bubba Boy's excellent guide to Rio.

Look towards the end of the topics on the Brazil page of this forum.

You might have to give Remulos a miss, it's in Manaus (the Amazon)!

Shemp
09-06-05, 06:20
Jaimito Cartero,

What in the heck is cinderellaed? I read this board all the time & don't remember any mention of it.

Shemp

Member #4156
09-06-05, 12:10
Jaimito - thanks for the info. I feel a lot better now knowing I am very close to HELP, would you suggest taking a taxi back afterwards or is it safe/quick enough to walk. Also have you gone to any termas yet . The following is a list of Termas I am trying to get a street address for. Everyones input will be appreciated.

Monte Carlo - Siqueira Campos?
Luomos L’Uomo terma)- upstairs in a shopping mall. street?
Solarium - street?
4x4 - street?
Remulos - heard about this on this board - is this a strip club? is it safe

Also - what is a 'cinderalla'? just curious.

Regards,
Johnny BYou can either go there, or you could just click on the link http://www.gpbr.net/site.htm and click on Termas on the left hand side. This has all the Termas/boities categorized by each Zona in Rio.

Delecti
09-06-05, 14:00
I've never heard that term either, but my best guess, based upon the context is that he is referring to the trick of the girls talking a guy into taking them into Help, paying their covercharge, then leaving him after entry, around midnight. Thus the "Cinderella" anology. They will run off with their friends, go dancing, after spending about 15 minutes with the person who paid their cover charge.

Trippleecks
09-06-05, 14:09
cinderellaed refers to the nickname of a drug used in Rio..
Sort of a "Micky-Finn" if you know what that is. Some girls use it to knock you out while they clean you out.

Chance11
09-06-05, 17:39
My first trip to Rio is coming up in 2 weeks. I have an extremely nice (by US standards) apartment on NS Copacabana and Miguel Lemos for 8 days @$500 US. I've been practicing Pimsleur, and I'm only up to Lesson 23 of Unit !.

I read about Gazzag on this board, and checked it out. I signed up 2 weeks ago, and it's the best $20 I've spent so far. To quote wedding crashers, "It's not even FAIR! It's like fishing with dynamite!" I'm in my late 20's, good looking, posted a pic, and created a form letter. It simply says in Portuguese, I'm coming to Rio in the middle of September, I'm looking for something to do. How is your English? Would you like to talk?

I used the express E-Email option to send it to the ones I liked, and I started getting a lot of responses. They all use MSN, so I started chatting with them from time to time. I used Firefox to open up 2 translator pages Portuguese -> English and English -> Portuguese. That way I could look up anything I don't know fairly quickly. Plus it has helped me learn the vocabulary. I ask the girls to correct me so I get better, and some of them do help. Doing so has really improved my ability to speak Portuguese. ( I also practice with a friend who speaks portuguese)

Anyways, I have 4 dates, one with a 28yo Samba Dance show producer. She's taking me dancing, and made it clear what she wants to do to me when I get there. :) Another is 21, a student con seios grandes, naõ e silicone. After a few E-mails from her that start off, Meu Amor, she sent me 6 pictures 2 of which were topless. I also have an 18 and a 19yo set. I have 6 others that I could set up dates with, but I get the feeling I may not have time, or could have trouble getting rid of the 4 I'm set with now. I think I have 8 numbers total right now.

So those on the board that say hooking up with a non pro just won't happen, I 've done it. It was easy. I'll be back to post a report to let you guys know how it went.

Anyway, I have some questions:

What can I get as gifts from the US, that the girls would like? Do any of you have something that was a real home run?

Anyone have a torrent of a good program for translating English <-> Portuguese on my laptop without an internet connection?

Jaimito Cartero
09-06-05, 22:15
Yes, as Nodd mentioned, it's some sort of sleeping pill (Ambien?) or relaxant. That's why you should never abandon your drink and keep it in your plain view (or in your hand) all the time.

My first impression of Help was decent. There are some real stunners, but more cows, and a lot of nice, but not stunning garottas. I am a slow mover, and since I'm in town for so long, I wasn't in a rush to go with anyone. I got there at 11:15pm or so, and it was certainly dead. Remember that they won't let guys in with shorts.

As it got closer, many more people came in, and an almost stampede at midnight. I came in with $100US, and got the 2.45 exchange. Drinks go from 2.5R to about 12 for normal drinks. They have 1/4 splits of Champagne and you can buy whole bottles of expensive stuff too. I drink water, so at least I got away pretty cheap.

I had my eyes on a few garottas, and was trying a bit beyond my normal chicas (5-7) and going for an 8 or a 9. I wasn't going to pay above 150, or maybe 175 for a few hours though. I saw one decent looking blonde, who was probably a 7.75 who was interesting.

I saw one really hot blonde, but she was attached when I saw her, so thought I'd wait for another night. She was dancing all the time, and was just a wonder to see. She may not be a 150R chica though. Maybe I'll save up my pop bottles for her one night. :)

At 1:30pm, I was getting hungry, so asked if I could come back in later, no problem they said. I went along and checked out some of the nice and not so nice garottas hanging along the walk. I went to Bob's and got a little combo and ate outside to see what I could see.

My first impression is that there are many nice women here, but they're not overly friendly and will only approach you as you walk into help. You've still got to do the work.

I went back to Help, and went upstairs. I met the Canadian guy I had mentioned in my last report (same night, different report). He seemed to be disillusioned about Help, as he was expecting the same quality as Termas. Since I haven't been to a Terma yet, I have no basis for comparison.

He was the opinion that Rio was a big ripoff. I guess after getting Cinderellaed I might think the same. I would think that "Sleeping Beauty" would be a better name for the being drugged and ripped off. Shrug.

I sit down and a bunch of girls come and sit by me. They don't talk or anything, but seem nice enough. A so-so blonde that had sat down with me earlier tried to sit down again. I tried to be polite about not wanting her to sit, but I guess it just came off as rude (or she played it like that).

I then went downstairs and talked to the nicer blonde that I had talked to, and was thinking of asking her prices. I decided to just call it a night, as it just wasn't clicking right then.

As I was leaving, a morena that I had brushed up against earlier snagged me, and tried to get a deal done. She was a 6.5 at best. She started out at 300R, and finished at 230R. She complained that 230R was only $100US, and that it was so little. I hate this attitude, so bid her goodnight.

I was in the mood by then, so decided to check out the chicas at the restaurant in front. A couple of semi-cuties waved, so I sat down. One had lots of tats, and a tongue stud. Her cousin was younger and cuter (but no tongue stud). They wanted to do a dupla, but I shyed away because of the Cinderella thang, and I just find that most duplas aren't that great.

I negotiate for DFK, BBBJ and 2-3 hours. I offer 120 for one of them (I wanted the 19 year old), but they said it wasn't enough. They wanted me to go up a bit, but I stuck to it. I started to walk a couple of blocks home (I'm about 6-7 blocks away from Help), but saw a guy that made me nervous go ahead of me. It was probably nothing, but a taxi driver who was parked honked at me, so I decided to take him. About 4.6R for the ride.

I tried to attach a photo, but it's not happening. Probably the computer I'm using.

Jaimito Cartero
09-06-05, 22:20
I couldn't post this in the last post, but think I've got it figured out. This is Angelica from Karla Models. I have the picture I took, and then cropped ones that I took from the Karla Models book they bring along. I'm not sure how much of it is because her pics are two years old (and she's obviously been working hard), and how much was photoshopped.

I'll post a complete report with more pics in the Escort section.

Rio Bob
09-07-05, 01:14
cinderellaed refers to the nickname of a drug used in Rio..
Sort of a "Micky-Finn" if you know what that is. Some girls use it to knock you out while they clean you out.

If you are staying in a hotel there is less of a chance that you will be expoused to this as her identification will be at the front desk and copied and when she leaves and they call you if you dont answer they will come up to see what the problem is.

On the other hand if you are in an apt then you need to take precautions like as others have said do not leave your drink with her when you go into the bathroom and when you enter your apt if you have a dead bolt lock from the inside, lock the door with the key and hide the key good because if you do fall asleep and she scours the apt and takes your stuff while you are sleeping then she wont be able to leave without you getting the key and openning the door for her.

She may not realize at first she is locked in but when she is ready to leave with your stuff she will panic and then start looking for the key, don't leave it in your pants or any place obvious, she will have to wait till you wake up and be in panic mode hoping that you don't die from the mickey finn. After all depending on the dose she gave you mixed with alcohol, it could be deadly.

She may look like and angel but she could be the devil in disguise.

Cachorro
09-07-05, 03:58
Chance11, that's good groundwork. Freaky girls are everywhere in Brazil. Chances are they'll deliver for you when you get there.

It could be complicated to schedule things. Sometimes the girl wants to stay longer, or sometimes you get no-shows on your dates or they turn up late, or something came up. This can bite you if you only have limited time and you're trying to shuffle several girls around.

Expect a Brazilian girl to be very territorial if she has feelings for you. They are well aware of the possibility of you hooking up with other girls and will manoeuvre to prevent it.

As a present, maybe French perfume will go down well. Choose a fragrance with a summer feel. It's the kind of thing that's expensive by Brazilian standards. A lot of girls can't afford to buy it for themselves but they'll appreciate it.

Havahopeful
09-07-05, 15:22
Chance 11,

When I visited Rio my first time last January, I was very much in the same boat that you are. Same age, I had gotten a little further than you in Pimpsleur (1/3 of the way through Lesson 2) and I speak Spanish pretty well. There is no question that you can meet an amazing girl from the net as I met 2 on that first trip.

My only piece of advice is to just contact the one or two that you feel the biggest connection with. Or lie to them and tell them that you will be in town on different dates. (If you do this it might even be worth changing hotel rooms) I had 5 numbers with girls that I had been chatting with, but only managed to see 2 of them. You will find that while the girlfriend thing is great as Cahorro said before they are extremely territorial. They will just drop by your place unexpected and expect to spend every minute with you.

In the end, if you set too many situations like this ahead of time, you will regret that you cannot just wing it and do whatever you feel like while you are there. It got to the point for me that I really started to like one of the girls a lot and I was nervous to have an escort come by the hotel because I never knew when my girl was going to pop in. (I still regret that). I was sneaking out to Termas in the mid afternoon just for some side action. When you consider how horny 2 normal Brazilian girls are, coupled with 5 Termas visits, I had to put my dick on IR for a month after 10 days in Brazil!!!

On the other hand both of these girls have now visited me in the US and I have a wonderful connection with both of them and unbelievable sex filled weeks that have made my friends green with envy! So the one trip has resulted in a lot more.

Trippleecks
09-07-05, 18:54
Jaimito Cartero , sorry but it's NOT just a sleeping pill, it’s an animal tranquilizer. It will knock you out for 12-24 hours solid.

Rio Bob, yes, less chance in a Hotel but you're never 100% sure. That is what the guy that brought his girl back to the Debret Hotel a while back thought. The girl knocked him out with that drug and then left the Hotel. He complained to the staff big time and the Debret now does not allow guests.

Comgo
09-07-05, 19:59
Does anyone know where I can get a cheap cell phone and pay as you go sim card in Rio? Is there a good place with address/approximate location someone could recommend?

Thanks

Rio Bob
09-08-05, 03:16
Jaimito Cartero , sorry but it's NOT just a sleeping pill, it’s an animal tranquilizer. It will knock you out for 12-24 hours solid.

Rio Bob, yes, less chance in a Hotel but you're never 100% sure. That is what the guy that brought his girl back to the Debret Hotel a while back thought. The girl knocked him out with that drug and then left the Hotel. He complained to the staff big time and the Debret now does not allow guests.

Im surprised the Debret didn't call this guy and speak to him, in later years they always did with me. One time my phone was broken and when they called my room it didn't ring so I didn't pick up. They came up to the room and knocked on the door and I told them everything is all right.

Yes your right about the tranquilizer but recently people have been mentioning ambium but that is just a sleeping pill, most people would wake up with that. Horse tranq puts you out for sure this way they can even invite their boyfriends or partners in the room to help clean you out.

Viper10
09-08-05, 04:24
I know the specific address to Meia, but could someone tell me where it is? Is it the place in front of Help? Thanks everyone. If you could tell me in relation to hotel Mariott that would be great.

Viper

Cachorro
09-08-05, 05:31
Does anyone know where I can get a cheap cell phone and pay as you go sim card in Rio? Is there a good place with address/approximate location someone could recommend?

Thanks
Comgo, try any big shopping mall.

Shopping Rio Sul is probably your most convenient. It's on the boundary of Copacabana and Botafogo. Easy access by subway (Botafogo station), bus or taxi.

Bring passport as you may require ID when signing up for a pre-paid.

El Greco
09-08-05, 12:31
I know the specific address to Meia, but could someone tell me where it is? Is it the place in front of Help? Thanks everyone. If you could tell me in relation to hotel Mariott that would be great.

Viper
It is about 100m from Help towards Leme. On your left exiting help.

El Greco

El Greco
09-08-05, 12:40
Does anyone know where I can get a cheap cell phone and pay as you go sim card in Rio? Is there a good place with address/approximate location someone could recommend?

Thanks

Almost every where.
For GSM technology try TIM or Oi Companies.
Claro and Vivo are using the north american technology.

Most of the phones are blocked though. You can only use them in Brasil and with the specific company. If you want to also use it back home try to find an unblocked one or have it unblocked at Uruguiana bazaar downtown.

I use TIM.

El Greco

Delecti
09-08-05, 12:45
I just picked up the Motorola Razer V3 cellphone. It is a Quad Channel, GSM phone. And Cingular does not lock the sim card, so it will be easy to change sim cards when I am in Rio. I know that T mobile and Verizon both used to lock the sim cards, not sure about now. So, if you use Cingular, you should have no problem just buying the sim card, slide it in and activating when you are in Brazil.

Liucio
09-08-05, 13:04
I always go after the non-pros first.

It takes time but if you land one you are set.

JustGotBack
09-08-05, 16:57
It's not the simcard that gets locked, it's the phone. Are you sure that your Cingular phone isn't locked? Cingular tends to lock all their phones but will give you the unlock code if you talk to a sympathetic CSR. Just tell them you are going on an international trip. If the CSR doesn't give it to you, hang up and keep trying until you find one that does.


I just picked up the Motorola Razer V3 cellphone. It is a Quad Channel, GSM phone. And Cingular does not lock the sim card, so it will be easy to change sim cards when I am in Rio. I know that T mobile and Verizon both used to lock the sim cards, not sure about now. So, if you use Cingular, you should have no problem just buying the sim card, slide it in and activating when you are in Brazil.

Exec Talent
09-08-05, 18:51
Cingular does lock their phones but will give you the unlock code. I tried that when I first came and the TIM store messed up my phone so now not even my SIM works. In retrospect it was a good thing. A Brazilian woman I know had her phone taken from her right on the street. They hit her in the back of the head and took it.

My phone from the US sells for over R$2500 here so given my gringo appearance I am glad I was not carrying it on the street. I did, however, buy a cheap Nokia phone for less than US$80 and it has works great. I go to the Claro store when I need to recharge and they will even enter the card for me. You can buy the cards also at most kiosks but Claro store often has promotions that are only available through them.

The phone has been helpful in keeping in touch with both Americans and Brazilians. I use it all the time. I especially like the text messaging feature since I can understand written Portuguese better than spoken.

Metkim
09-08-05, 19:29
Does anyone know from past experiences if help would be showing tonight's football game on their video screens. Want to watch the game, but also want to go to help.

Jaimito Cartero
09-08-05, 22:15
I'm looking for a place that is open 24 hours a day for internet access. Either an internet cafe, or a wireless connection for my laptop? If anyone has any tips, I'd appreciate it. I'm in the Copa area.

Lorenzo
09-08-05, 22:39
Jaimito Cartero,

As far as I know, all the internet cafes in Copa close at 11pm or midnight. However, if you are staying in a hotel you should have no trouble finding a wireless connection or at least plugging into a phone jack. I've never brought my laptop to Rio for fear of getting it stolen, which is something I suggest you think about.

Lorenzo

Jaimito Cartero
09-08-05, 22:51
Jaimito Cartero,

As far as I know, all the internet cafes in Copa close at 11pm or midnight. However, if you are staying in a hotel you should have no trouble finding a wireless connection or at least plugging into a phone jack. I've never brought my laptop to Rio for fear of getting it stolen, which is something I suggest you think about.

Lorenzo

Yeah, I found an internet place that's open to midnight, but I play in a weekly poker game online, and I barely finished the tourney up in time to get out of there. I am a bit paranoid about bringing the laptop, but found a internet cafe that I can just install the program I need to play with, so I guess I won't bring it anymore.

No wireless signal near my apt. Sniff.

Delecti
09-09-05, 00:16
Exec and JGB,

Maybe it depends on where you are...but I bought my Cingular phone at BestBuy in June, $99, 2 year contract. It is not locked. And I didn't specifically ask for the phone to be unlocked, or for the code.

How do I know it is unlocked? First, I asked the guys at BestBuy last week, they told me that Cingular isn't locking them any more. I then called Cingular customer service, they told me the same thing. Being a skeptic, and to make sure before I got to Brazil and found it locked; I took a friends phone and swapped the SIM cards, and my phone worked just fine...on his number and account.

My brother in Texas, also has Cingular, had his phone about 5 months, and didn't ask to have the code unlocked, and regularly swaps with his wife or an employee. So I know his wasn't unlocked.

Another friend of mine bought her phone at the Cingular company booth at a mall, (not at an independent re-seller of phone service or Best Buy). Hers is also unlocked, bought in Wisconsin. She has a SIM card from Australia that she swapped it with; her home country.

I agree that several years ago, most phones were locked. But of the numerous friends and relatives that I personally know have Cingular in the last year, not one of the phones are locked. So, maybe some people have had it locked, but I have been unable to find one. As for companies other than Cingular, I have no idea.

Just my experience.

Perkele
09-09-05, 08:35
Delecti.

As long as you are using Cingular sim cards there is no way telling if the phone is simlocked or not. If you tried any other operator and got it working then you are good to go.

Anyway ET had a point. Buy a phone in Brasil, even if you don't want to take it home. You can exchange it to services before leaving.

P

Exec Talent
09-09-05, 10:45
Again, my original thought was to use my US phone here. If you have anything invested in that phone (data not backed up) or it is expensive by BRAZILIAN standards then buy or rent one here. My phone which I purchased in the US for $150, sells for R$2500 here. (Yes, I am sure there is a black market here).

In the past, my girlfriend's phone was taken while I was talking with her. On this visit, a Brazilian woman told me how she was hit on the neck and in broad daylight and her phone taken.

I paid $80 for a cheap (but excellent functioning) Nokia phone. I buy R$50 cards at the Claro store but (usually R$30) are available everywhere. You scratch the back and enter the number. I changed the language of the phone to English, but ask a Brazilian to do the recharging for me since it is in Portuguese.

I try to give the best advice to people reading this forum that I can, what you do with it is up to you. If Brazilian women are getting their relatively inexpensive phones stolen in broad daylight, what are the odds that someone is going to go after your expensive phone. Also, you will need to buy a SIM card anyway.

Exec Talent
09-09-05, 11:10
I think Brazilian women have missed their calling. I know if I had some crime commited against me, I would want a Brazilian woman investigating. It would be solved in minutes.

Girl A was with me late last night. Girl B has been calling me all day wanting to get together. When Girl A arrives at my apartment I (in what I thought was stealth mode) shut off my phone. She says, "no, no leave it on. Are you worried some other girl will call?" Girl B did call but fortunately it was while she was in the shower and unfortunately again at 2:00 AM. Also, I was questioned on the number of contacts and text messages I had.

Since the caller pays for the call, it is not unusual for a girl to call you and hang up. The expectation is that you will call her right back. If you don't, there is no doubt she will call you again. Some of the girls even know how to make a call basically collect. They can put in some digits before making the call and the phone will ring a message will come on (in Portuguese) and if you accept, you are paying for the call.

Exec Talent
09-09-05, 11:23
I have had a lot of "Free" sex on this visit to Rio. No fewer than five girls spent at least one night with me without charging me. It could have been a lot more, but I stopped at five (or so) because Free is not really Free. It comes with expectations, mostly that you will not see other girls. Depending on the girl, the reaction if you do can be from mildly pissed to going nuclear.

Keep in mind that the girls have sex with guys for money. If they are giving it to you for free and you are paying other girls.... The argument I always lose is the one where I tell them that they really are seeing other guys. The response is that it is their job, outside their job they are not seeing other men.

I will say that the "Free" sex is many planes above the best regular sex. However, I have to wonder sometimes if it is better just to keep it strictly professional.

El Greco
09-09-05, 15:36
Brasil iis a very large country therefore cellphone companies are charging roaming charges if you use your phone in a different state from the one it is register and the charges add up quickly.

If you have a prepaid sim card and you run out of airtime in a different state don't buy airtime of that state even if it is from the same company. It does not work and you are going to lose your money.

What someone must do is to reload from certain gas stations that they can do it or more convenient from lottery shops who are online connected to other states lotteries and they can also do it very easy. Just tell them the state your sim card is registered and they will come up with a print out from their lottery machine with the code to reload your airtime.

You can always get a new sim card from this new state you are in but with a different phone number. Or get more airtime cards with you before you go.

If you are in a contract with a cellphone company there is no problem.

Hope this might help somebody.

El Greco

Perkele
09-09-05, 16:47
If you have a prepaid sim card and you run out of airtime in a different state don't buy airtime of that state even if it is from the same company. It does not work and you are going to lose your money.

El Greco

This is not true. At least TIM and Oi work totally differently. You can buy the credits anywhere and your account will be credited. Roaming charges they do have and its VERY expensive to call.......

P

Perkele
09-09-05, 16:51
They can put in some digits before making the call and the phone will ring a message will come on (in Portuguese) and if you accept, you are paying for the call.

Just put 90902188xxxxxxx and you can too call collect. How to identify a collect call, when you hear this automated message. Now if you keep listening and yhe call gets through you'll pay.

To call other state is rather simple 90 + area code + number.

Have fun.

P

Sperto
09-09-05, 20:12
I always bring my cellular phone to Brazil. I'll buy a phonecard, for example in Rio. When I go to Manaus or Fortaleza I'll buy new a phonecard and get a new number. This is excellent as the caboclas can't call me when I´m back in Rio.

A choice is to buy a re-fill in Manus and reload my Rio-simcard. Buy it in a Banca da Revista. Ask for cartão interestadual. The problem is that this way the local calls become very expensive, and very few girls will call a Rio-number in Manaus.

Cheers,
Sperto

Jaimito Cartero
09-10-05, 00:47
I travel about 4 months of the year, and while I love the women, I really like to go to new places, and eat good food. (If you see my stomach, you'll know what I mean!).

Hopefully Jackson will add a food section, so I can put my reports there.

I've eaten in Churrascarias in north and south America, but the best so far was in Argentina (Rodizio's). John Thompson of Rio Rentals 4 Less, recommended a semi-local place that I'll write about later.

It seems that I'll eat one large meal and maybe a couple of sandwiches on a normal day. John had mentioned Kilogram a semi upscale place, so thought I'd try that last night.

They charge 2.79R per 100 grams. Or an all you can eat (except dessert/drinks) for 27.90R. Since I hadn't eaten for 16 hours, I went with the latter. While at first I wasn't sure if I made the right choice, I had them weigh one plate, so I know I got a decent deal (weight/price wise). You obviously need to eat more than a kilo for that deal to work out.

The restaurant is very nice, but only paper napkins. The salad/sushi bar is pretty huge. I took 4 or 5 pics just of it! I was however, a bit disappointed with the meat. While of a decent quality, it was actually below quality compared to the other Churrascaria I ate at 1/2 the price.

They do heavily salt all the meat. I'm not sure if that's just Brazilian style, or they want to sell you a lot of drinks. Bottled water is 2R.

If you want nice and fancy, this is a good place. Quality was good, but nothing exceptional. You get your own meat here, so that's a bit of a pain as well. Total damage R$29.90.

Sunset Strip
09-10-05, 20:26
Viper,
I am sure you have found it by now but this might be useful for others interested in visiting the place one day.

Here is the web site for MP:


http://www.meiapataca.com.br

TJ

El Greco
09-11-05, 00:54
This is not true. At least TIM and Oi work totally differently. You can buy the credits anywhere and your account will be credited. Roaming charges they do have and its VERY expensive to call.......

P


I use TIM and the TIM personell of the Norde Shopping in Fortaleza last February told me the lottery and gas station procedure.

They told me that the Ceara cards could not reload my RIO card.

If they were wrong then I am wrong as well.

El Greco

Jaimito Cartero
09-11-05, 01:20
i printed out bb's report and have been using it extensively. if you're coming here, it's a good read. since i'm in rio for almost a month, i thought i'd try some of the less travelled places.

one place he mentioned was the miami peep show down the street from monte carlo. i went a few days ago, the name on the front is miami show club. it's your basic sex shop, with porno booths downstairs. $1r works for 3 minutes. nothing too exciting there, but they did have one video that peta would have objected to. each token is $1r, and the guy said you could refund them if you didn't use them.

upstairs you have about a dozen booths and one or two dancers on a rotating bed. $1r per minute. i saw three chicas, and two were pretty bad, and one was very nice. nothing too out of the ordinary here.

they have solo rooms, that you get a private show in. $5r for 2 minutes, again using the tokens. when i went, they had 10 girls there to choose from. i sat and watched the mop brigade go into action each time a guy came out. even used some air freshener too.

each of the chicas has a picture with a number. you go into the booth and put your tokens in, and then push the buttons selecting the chica. your time doesn't start until she comes into the room. there is a plexiglass window between you, with some holes for talking to her. there is also a 4 inch space at the very top, that you can just get your hand into.

the chica i got must have been working there for years, because the pic was ooooooold. she was nice enough, and proceeded to give my finger a bbbj, and then put her ass up to the top so i could finger whatever hole i wanted.

the sperm mopping guy told me that you could have a dupla in there if you put in $50r.

interesting if you're bored, you can even go around the corner to the church and light a candle when you're done.

J Wadd
09-11-05, 02:13
You're going to be in Rio for a month? That's a long time -- you might get the P4P soul-sickness-blues. I get it in SP when I punt for like a week straight with 2-3 girls/night. The cure? More tail!

Anyway, if you get the chance can you check out "Florida Bar/Boite" (not sure) in downtown? It's on one of the main routes taxi drivers take from the Rio airport, as you're coming up on Copa. It looks huge, primitive, old-school and well worth a visit. I think there're also a few other smaller boites next to it.

I like these "natives-only" places. Outside of Copa, SP and Fortaleza, most of Brasil looks like these downtown-area clubs. Good, cheap action with lots of Brasilian bierhaus flavor. Don't be overly concerned about security.

TIA,
JWadd

P.S. Vila Mimosa is also a fun trip. It is a little skid-row, though. Bring a pistol, fly-swatter and dictionary (all for the ladies).

Sperto
09-11-05, 06:45
I use TIM and the TIM personell of the Norde Shopping in Fortaleza last February told me the lottery and gas station procedure.

They told me that the Ceara cards could not reload my RIO card.

If they were wrong then I am wrong as well.

El Greco

El Greco,
Let say you buy a pre-paid SIM-card in Rio with Oi or Tim.
Then you go to Fortaleza and there you run out of credits.
What you have to do is buying a refill/recarga that works interestadual.
On the back of the card it will tell you if it works for the state of RJ.
(For example: Este cartão é válido apenas para os clientes pré-pagos da TIM no DF, AC, AM, AP, ES, GO, MA, MS, MT, PA, RJ...etc)
If the card isn´t interestadual, and includes RJ, it won´t work.

El Greco
09-11-05, 19:55
Sperto,

I did not know the existence of interestadual phone cards.

Does it means that there are two types of reload cards? The state and the interstate ones?

TIM personell should know but they guided me to the lottery procedure instead.

Thank you anyway. That makes sence and things easier.

El Greco

Jaimito Cartero
09-12-05, 03:10
A few days ago, I got up early and took a city bus (I call this the cheap tour, just jump on one, and ride it until it stops, or they kick you off) tour. 1.8R for 2 hours of sightseeing. I always like to get a feel for the place I'm in. I took the 584.

I only only been on the edge of the beach on Copa, so decided to walk down and check it out. As I walked down an older local lady in a bathing suit warned me to watch out for thieves. I walked along the water for a couple of hundred yards, and then headed up to Rua Bolivar/Atlantico. As I was waiting for the light to cross, I felt something hit my shoe. I looked over, and there was a goofy looking teenager. And he was acting, well, weird. It looked like he had a small paper cup or something in his hand.

I started walking across the street, and a shoeshine guy (20yr old), who had run across the street 15 seconds before me, started yelling and pointing at my shoe. I saw a ugly yellow gloop on my right shoe. I now knew what the other guy was up to. He starts to indicate that he will clean it for me.

I know that he's working in concert with the other guy, and at best he's trying to make up business for himself, worst case if his buddy will come up while I'm getting them clean and try and pickpocket, or otherwise rip me off.

These type of things really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. I tell the shoeshine guy, "No" rather loud, but he keeps following me and emphatically telling me that he has to clean them. I start yelling "No" at him, until he finally gets the message.

Luckily these were my old shoes, and I had a brand new pair waiting at my apartment. The stuff looked like baby shit to me, or perhaps pureed mango. I smelled it (yummmmm), and it was some sort of paint or petroleum based stuff. I tried to wipe if off on a fire hydrant, but it didn't come off well.

For those with a strong stomach, I've attached a pic. I've decided that I'll stay away from the beach, because of BS like this. I've had no problems otherwise.

Starting on Saturday, I did come down with some stomach ailment. It might be because I drank tap water, since I had run out of bottled water. Anyone else run into this? Seems to be getting better now.

Cachorro
09-12-05, 03:41
That area around Help is a rallying point for scammers. Nearby Ipanema beach should be better.

You're right about not drinking tap water. Locals would choose to buy bottled water or at least a filter for the tap water.

While in Brazil would recommend giving more than the usual attention to health and hygiene. Little things like washing your hands often, drinking water to rehydrate after a night on the booze. Helps you to avoid things like strep throat or a ten day course of antibiotics. Those things can quickly put a dampener on your holiday.

Jaimito Cartero
09-12-05, 03:59
I went to Monte Carlo for the first time on Friday night. I wasn't sure how late they were open, as I was getting there about 11pm. At first I thought they were closing in an hour, but he door guy was telling me 1am (I guess you have to enter by 1am, it closes at 2am).

I got the free tour, and wasn't sure at first if I was going to go or not. The bar part was so smoky, and pretty full, but one blonde came up and welcomed me, so I decided I'd try it.

Dollar exchange 2.40R=$1.

I'm pretty slow in new places, so the first hour, after I changed into my robe, and went into the bar area, I just checked out the girls. The original blonde who had welcomed me, came and tried to claim me, but she had heavy bags under her eyes, so I decided to keep checking others out.

I had an older chica come and attach herself to me, and she kissed very nicely, but was just a bit too worn out for my tastes. I had one other blonde that I was eyeing, but she went off to the private whiskeria room, never to return.

I finally settled on a small breasted chica, who was very nice. I'd rate her at 7.5 looks. Overall, I saw girls in the 5-9 range.

I got the normal room for 120R for the chica, 50R for room, 50R for entry.

Leiticia, 24 yo, was pretty passionate, nice DFK, small perky breasts. She has a one year old (but body looks very nice), and had small amount of leche in them.

She moved to BBBJ quickly, and was doing a marvelous job. I stopped her before I blew, and went down on her. I usually like to take longer doing this, but with only 40 minutes, what can you do?

She was multiorgasmic, and was really juicy. She put the condom on with her mouth, and then we moved to missionary. I had her finish me off with her nice BBBJ. We had a few minutes to spare, so she let me take some pics (no face showing), and some more kissing and general cuddling. Nice service. Looks 7.5, service 8.0. Recommended.

Bnlee2
09-12-05, 04:03
Jaimito Cartero,

I had the same thing happen to me last year in China. I did not notice it until I got back to my hotel room and put two and two together. I was wondering when walking why did the shoeshine guy approach me. I had some sort of white liquid poured onto my loafers.

Sunset
09-12-05, 05:01
I first encountered crap on the shoe in 1981 on Avenida Atlantica just past what is now Balcony Bar. I think they were using some of the cement used to hold the sidewalk stones together back then. Anyhow, it made a sort of white lump on the shoes. So, I was drunk and happy to have the crap called to my attention. The shoe shine boy asked for one hundred dollars. I was so pissed I threw his shoeshine box across Avenida Atlantica, well half of it anyway. The boy went running after the box. A horse hair brush was left at my feet. I still have that brush.

Over the next few years I was frustrated that I never could catch the culprits who continued to make deposits on my shoes. One night at Bate Boca, a bar on Ave. Prado Junior near Mabs (formerly Ibiza, Bie Willie, No Name, and now Scotland Yard.), one of the boys entered to point out that I had crap on my shoe and must have it cleaned off. I agreed with him, removed my shoe, and whipped it clean on his natural hair. Of course I knew that the bartender, Ze, already had a steel pipe in his hand in case there was any problem.

I try to always include useful information in my posts. So, today, Sunday, I visited a cambio on Avenida Atlantica, Action Cambio, near Republica do Peru (about a block east from Monte Carlo). This is the first time I’ve seen a cambio open on Sunday. Their rate was 2.35 for a cash exchange.

Sperto
09-12-05, 06:35
Sperto,

I did not know the existence of interestadual phone cards.

Does it means that there are two types of reload cards? The state and the interstate ones?

El Greco

El Greco,
Yes, TIM has state and interstate refill cards.
The statecards you'll find easily in any Banca da revista ou Loteria.
The interstate cards can be a little bit harder to find.
I think the TIM interstate cards comes in two different types. One of them is valid for SIM-cards belonging to the states of AL, PE, PB, RN, PI AND CE. The other one is valid for almost all the other states.
In Fortaleza the interstate card including Ceará is easier to find than the other card that excludes Ceará but includes Rio.

Doc Bill
09-12-05, 11:02
This has always been my favorite, but I've heard not-so-good things about it lately. Has anyone had recent experience with it?

Also, does anyone know of any salsa clubs in Rio?

Thanks!

El Greco
09-12-05, 16:56
I had the same shoe scam at about 01:30 hours in Avenida Atlantica last April as well.

I kept on walking. No way to stop for shoe shine at this time.

About tap water I do not take it even boiled for my coffee.
Brasilians are used to it filtered but their immune system is used to its possible bacteria.

Buy always bottled otherwise,at least, boil it and use some lemon juice in it.

El Greco

Sunset Strip
09-12-05, 18:48
jaimito cartero

i posted some reports on the miamia show last year, too.

for two years i used to go there and sleep with most of the girls there. there are very few gringos in there because most guys do not go to rio to see a peep show when they can get the full treatment in a therma or apartment bedroom.

however, if you get to know these girls you can get laid easily. i never paid over r$100 for two hours or so. in general once you make friends with one girl you can have them all.

just go in there, chill out, get a r$1 beer from the machine and tip the girls in the private booth.
eventually one of them will give you the number (but do not press it) and then you are home-free.

i also made friends with both the djs and the mop guys. they will take you to the smaller, brazilian-only thermas near the miami show. usually we go on their breaks and i pay r$60 for 30 minutes for the two of us (separate girls, of course).

is capitu back yet?
tj

Jaimito Cartero
09-12-05, 23:45
tj,

thanks for the info. what do you tip the chicas at miami show? the one i saw wasn´t anything special, but i saw one girl in the main show that looked very fuckable. do they come to your apartment, or a love hotel?

when i was a teenager, i had fond experience at some peep shows, so i guess that's why i was interested in checking it out.

i'm hoping to check out some of the less expensive termas later this week in centro. was the 60r terma each, or for two? (30r each?).

Rio Bob
09-13-05, 00:01
This has always been my favorite, but I've heard not-so-good things about it lately. Has anyone had recent experience with it?

Also, does anyone know of any salsa clubs in Rio?

Thanks!

Well I wouldn't exactly call this a Salsa club but the Sofitel hotel one night a week had Salsa night, it might have been Thursday night, go and check, I believe it is in the Horse Neck bar.

Cabrio
09-13-05, 00:37
Check this website

www.salsa.com.br

They have guides for each city in Brazil

also try salsaweb http://cityguides.salsaweb.com/brazil/rio.htm

Rio Bob
09-13-05, 02:51
I started walking across the street, and a shoeshine guy (20yr old), who had run across the street 15 seconds before me, started yelling and pointing at my shoe. I saw a ugly yellow gloop on my right shoe. I now knew what the other guy was up to. He starts to indicate that he will clean it for me.

Luckily these were my old shoes, and I had a brand new pair waiting at my apartment. The stuff looked like baby shit to me, or perhaps pureed mango. I smelled it (yummmmm), and it was some sort of paint or petroleum based stuff. I tried to wipe if off on a fire hydrant, but it didn't come off well.

.

I guess if you buy your self a pair of those Brazilian flip flops called:Havaianas and wore them during the day to the beach then they wont fling shit on your shoe because you are not wearing shoes. All the Brasilians wear these flip flops, they sell them in loja das americas and they were about $6. Plus you will look less like a gringo as no brasilian wears shoes or sneakers to the beach only flip flops.

Bubba Boy
09-14-05, 01:14
I have gotten hit twice in Copa by the shit/show/scam guys, both times wearing flip flops --- The little fuckers even managed to get the entire "load" on the strap. Very skillfull, resulted in them not getting a dime though.

Jaimito Cartero
09-14-05, 02:16
I've gotten a lot of good info from BubbaBoy's Rio guide. Today I hit the first real misfire on the guide. I know it happens, but it sucks when it happens to you.

I wanted to check out one of the lower priced Termas. I decided I'd ride the Metro and check out Terma 502. The Metro is now $2.25R. You can get one of their buses for free too, so this will save you walk. I think they´re the only ones with the $2.25R fare. The card in front says, `Metro Incluido´ or something similar.

In the BubbaBoy Rio guide the address is listed as Rua de Alfandega, 502. There is no such address that I could ever find. Believe me, I looked for almost 2 hours in the rain. I'm a guy, so I don't ask for directions too easily. I walked all through the little street looking at the shops, and saw I was going from the 200 block to the 300, etc. However at the end of the 300's, there is a park.

I figure, ah, it must be on the other side. Bzzzzzz. Wrong. Ask at a loncheria, and they point me off in one direction. It's getting dark now (I had left my apt on Bolivar and Barato at 4:15pm), and the neighborhood looks a bit crappy, which makes me a bit nervous.

I finally get a guy in a tile shop who is very nice and draws me a map. I'm pretty sure he's just pointing me back to the street I was on originally on, but I figure if that it again, then that´s it for me tonight.

I go there, and it´s the same street. I´m drenched now, but at least I know I wasn´t going to waste any more time looking for it. I decide to walk by 4 x 4 so I know where it is. I only brought 200R with me, so I´m thinking I´ll go another night. I find it about a mile away from the high 300 block of Rua de Alfandega.

I see a street sign for a Bob´s burger and decide I need to eat something before I keel over. I get their huge bacon burger, that they douse with some horrible bbq sauce. Ugggg. I wipe most of it off. However, I did get a bit rested. I decide to look for 52 Rua de Alfandega, thinking it might have been a typo. No such address that I could see.

I start heading back to the Metro. I look for Rua de Alfandega, and find it. As I turn the corner, I see some neon, and look up, and there is Terma 502. It´s just the name, and not the address. I think the actual address is 65 Rua de Alfandega.

I decide to go check it out. I´ve got some decent pics, and I´ll post the complete report tomorrow. Prices have gone up or were incorrect before. 20 min 77R, 30 min $82R. About 15 garotas when I went in originally, with 25 there after I went back after my session. (about 7pm or so).

A few dogs, but some surprising nice chicas. Not too many big bundas, but lots of spinners.

Bubba Boy
09-14-05, 12:08
You may be right about 502, the numbers never made sense to me in that street. I am hitting Rio next week, hence will check it out and I intend updating the "mini guide" when I get back. Might have to add a map of centro and copa.

El Greco
09-14-05, 13:20
It is on Alfdega about 10m from the corner with Avenida Rio Branco.

Alfdega is the second or third parallel st to Avenida Presidente Vargas and also parallel to Rua Buenos Aires where 4x4 is.
About 100-150m from 4x4 on the other side of Rio Branco.

Take metro to Uruguaina walk on Presidente Vargas towards the cathedral untill you come to the corner with Rio Branco turn right then walk on it some 50m on your right will meet Rua Alfadega.

The entrance is small blue lighted and you have to go up the stairs to first floor.

El greco

Jaimito Cartero
09-14-05, 15:59
I'm going to post a full report here about 502. But just thought I'd post the wet pussy I saw at what would be the real 502 address.

Jaimito Cartero
09-14-05, 16:21
Well after a couple of hours, I ended up stumbling across Termas 502. Unlike most of the Termas the name is NOT the address.

You are given a plastic bar coded credit card. This is what your drinks are charged to. You head up the stairs, and the chicas at the cashier's desk will help you out with any questions. The price list is very visible to the side. I took a picture of it, and it's listed below.

20 min for 77R, 82R for 30 min, etc. There are also two suites listed. I didn't check those out.

You pay for drinks when you leave, chicas you have to pay for when you take them at the cashier.

I went inside and got my agua sem gas, and sat down. It's a fairly long bar, bigger by 30% than Monte Carlo. It's about a 50/50 mix guys/garottas. Some neon, but overall kind of dark. I sit down and start to check out the chicas. When I went in around 7:30pm, there were 15-16 chicas.

One lower grade comes and sits by me. Seems nice enough, but I want nicer. A friend comes by, who looks very nice. She looks early 20's, very petite and white. Just my type. (Okay, they're all my types.)

I was trying to tell the garotta to change with her friend, but she asked if she could go with her friend, and I said okay. I don't know if they were doing a dupla. I still don't know.

A youngish girl comes and sits by me. She's also pretty petite, but with a nicer rack. Her name is Cristal, and is 19 years old. She live in Buenos Aires for a year and a half (said she was married there), so her Spanish is decent. This helps me a lot. We talk for ten minutes or so, and then I check her out with a DFK, and she passes nicely.

We go to the cashier, and I say 30 min. She pouts and says um hora, but I want to make sure she's decent. We go up the narrow stairs to the rooms above. You check in with a matron who enters the room/time into the computer.

The room has a nice little shower, and a mirror on part of the wall. Cristal tells me the time starts after she comes back from the shower. She left the room to shower. So I availed myself of the shower, since I had walked around for a couple of hours and was sweaty.

I'm ready for her when she comes back. She's medium height, and has absolutely wonderful pert B cups. No kids, a nice shaved pussy, and tight body. Her face is not model quality, but not ugly either.

I want to take pictures from the get go, and she just loves to have them taken. I'm posting one here, and the rest in the photo section.

We start with DFK and then I move to DATY. She have nice pussy, that just loves to be licked. She also seems to really enjoy anal, and seemed excited when I asked her, "completa"? I just gave her a FUTB, but she seemed to really get off on it.

Now comes the only disappointment of the night. Her oral skills are pretty lacking. Perhaps that's because she's only worked here a month, but she needs to go to the Dickhead school of BJ's, that's for sure.

We moved to cowgirl, and that was more than satisfactory. After I finished, she wanted her pussy eaten more, so she showered some of the lube off, and I went to town again until the phone rang.

She gave me her phone number, so perhaps I'll have her over to the apartment before I leave. I went back in the bar for my last water, and there were now another 10 or 12 garottas in there. I'd say that half were average at best, but there were 6 or 7 that I thought were very nice. 7.5-9.0 from what I saw.