2005 Rio de Janeiro Reports [Archive] - Page 5

Jaimito Cartero

09-16-05, 14:29

I decided to get an O Globo yesterday, and check out their massage section. I was really just looking for a good massage. Really. :)

One advertised $40R, another $60R and another $80R. I think these were all for one hour of time. I tried the $40R one, but I just couldn't understand her. I called one, and she gave me the number for a friend who spoke english. I called her, and she was incall only in Copa, and I think I got the Gringo price ($100R), so I declined that.

I called a $60R one, and it sounded like a mid 40's lady. I could understand her okay, and she could understand me as well. $60R plus $20R taxi. She said she'd be over within an hour. She called before she was leaving, and was at my door in less than 25 minutes total.

The doorman rings, and says that "Duda" is there. That's the first I've heard that name, and all it does is make me sing, "All the doo-da dayyyy" in my head.

I open the door, and she comes of the elevator. Not 40 years old. Not a 3 pack a day smoker like I had though. A 19 year old, medium chunky, tall girl with D cups. She's pierced in her mouth and tongue. Hmmm. Could be interesting.

We go inside, and she calls the service to let them know she's there. We head to the bedroom, and I disrobe and lay on the bed. She disrobes down to her panties. She starts to give me a massage, but is hardly using any pressure. I communicate that it needs to be more forceful and she understands.

While not a great massage, it was as good as I've gotten in Brazil so far. She spends about 20 minutes on my back and legs, and then flips me over. She does another 5 minutes before she starts to give me a hand job. Decent technique and all.

I then tell her to blow me, and she starts to take a condom out. I tell her no thanks, and she starts in on me. Rather slow at first, she does build up nicely, and has some nice tongue action. I couldn't really feel the stud in her tongue though.

Before I go over the edge, I tell her it's her turn, and prop her big ass up on a pillow, and go down on her. She's got a small tattoo on her thigh (crescent moon and stars), but nothing else. Trimmed bush. Nice and clean and very appreciated of oral action. I spent about 15 minutes, and I think she orgasmed a few times.

We then moved to missionary to finish off. We cleaned up, and then spent some time DFKing, and talking about stuff in general. I think she gets 50% of the agency fee, and works 7 days a week. She's also on call 24 hours a day, so I guess she could get pretty tired if she was busy. I tried to get her personal cell number, but she says she's on call all the time, and just to call the service.

Not a beauty by anyone's opinion, she's carrying around 15 kilos too much, but she is fairly tall (5'8"), and has a nice charm about her. I got some pictures of her, but she wanted them kept to myself, which I'll honor.

Sperto

09-16-05, 16:41

Any recommendations for discoteques/clubs playing forró/pagode/funk etc in Zona Norte?
I mean except for the Samba schools and Via Show.
Cheers

Macunaima

09-16-05, 23:31

Exec Talent

09-17-05, 01:31

Macunaima,

Just because you have no clue doesn't mean we all don't. Some of us actually DO know how to make love with a woman.

If you PM me I can give you some pointers including how to tell if they are faking it (with you that would be every time).

Rio Bob

09-17-05, 04:00

I decided to get an O Globo yesterday, and check out their massage section. I was really just looking for a good massage. Really. :).

Jaimito, great report, sounds like your having a good time. I think im going to have to get one of these massages myself and I hope I get as lucky as you. Some of the girls on the beach who give massages told me they will come to your apartament as well but I haven't taken them up on the offer yet, i think Im gonna have to get one of these half and half massages.

RonnyRon

09-17-05, 04:33

I highly recommend the massage techs set up in the airport in Rio & Sao Paulo. They are very good and just what you need before a long flight home. Excellent way to past the time as you wait for your flight and your body will thank you.

RonnyRon

Jaimito Cartero

09-17-05, 18:56

Jamito sez:
"I spent about 15 minutes, and I think she orgasmed a few times."

I have some nice property on the seaward side of Av. Atlântica that I think you'd really be interested in buying. Call me.

Jamito, do you REALLY think pro's cum, man? The answer, of course, is not bloody often with johns.

Well, there are many things on heaven and earth that I don´t presume to know. However, when I´ve got my tongue working on her clit, my fingers in her pussy, and I can feel the contractions, the juice and all the other physical evidence, I can be pretty sure about what´s happening.

There are some chicas that just don´t seem to enjoy it. I´d say about 25% of the ones I run into. About 30% like it somewhat, and 45% want you to never stop. These last kind are good, but if they wrap their legs around your head, they can about kill you.

Fats

09-18-05, 05:06

If you ever have such an experience again you might want to keep your hands to yourself-87 months is a long time.

Arizona executive sentenced in case of mid-air sexual assault

August 4, 2005

BOSTON --An Arizona man was sentenced Thursday to more than seven years in prison for sexually assaulting a woman sleeping next to him on an airline flight -- an incident the judge called a "disgusting, despicable" crime.

Deepak Jahagirdar, 55, a former health care executive from Scottsdale, Ariz., was convicted in April of sexually abusing and having abusive sexual contact with the woman, then 22.

U.S. District Judge Mark Wolf rejected a bid by Jahagirdar's lawyers to sentence him to probation and community service.

Wolf chastised Jahagirdar for lying when he testified at his trial that the woman initiated a sexual encounter with him. He also blasted Jahagirdar for failing to mention the victim or express any remorse when he asked for mercy before he was sentenced.

"You've deeply and painfully hurt another person, and you seem to have no appreciation for that, even now, whatsoever," Wolf said.

Wolf sentenced Jahagirdar to the precise term sought by prosecutors, 87 months. He also imposed two years of probation and a $25,000 fine.

The woman was traveling alone and returning to Boston from a vacation in Texas in March 2002, when she said she awoke to find that Jahagirdar had covered her with a blanket, unbuttoned her pants and had his hand inside her.

The woman left her seat and alerted the flight crew. Jahagirdar was arrested by Massachusetts State Police when the flight landed at Logan International Airport in Boston.

The case was transferred from state to federal court because the assault occurred in mid flight.

The woman, now 25, did not speak at the sentencing hearing. She wiped away tears after Wolf announced the sentence.

Assistant U.S. Attorney John McNeil said the woman has been traumatized by the incident and remains "deeply afraid." McNeil criticized Jahagirdar for telling the jury that the woman initiated sexual contact.

"What he did is what every sexual assault victim fears most. He turned the tables on her ... he said she was some sort of harlot and wanted to be sexually aroused on an airplane," he said.

Jahagirdar told the judge he and his wife immigrated from India 25 years ago. He his family has always tried to live their lives according to Hindu principles, including love, service, peace and nonviolence.

He said his life fell apart when he was arrested, and asked the judge to show leniency.

"I promise you that I will serve my family, my church and the community at large with every fiber of my being," he said.

Jahagirdar has 10 days to file a notice of appeal.

Zeel

09-18-05, 14:39

I live and work in US, I got this offer from Nokia brazil to work on Circuit Switched Network Elements., they are paying USD 450/day or 120K/year with expenses, and the contract is for 1 year.

I do not the standard of living in brazil(Rio) , I request the fellow mongers to advice me if this pay is ok to live and have some good fun or they are ripping me off.

Hope to come to brazil and have a some good time for a year.

Thanks

RonnyRon

09-18-05, 15:16

With that kind of money you can live like a king. PM me and we can talk.

RonnyRon

El Greco

09-18-05, 17:18

You can rent a very good one bedroom furnished appartment in the area of Ipanema or Leblon for $1800-2000 per month.

Your average daily expences (year round) will be about $50-70 including a nice brasilian girl 2-3 times a week.

All the above assuming you are alone with no family.

Its real fun to become a Carioca for one year. You are going to love it.

El Greco

Jaimito Cartero

09-18-05, 23:16

Well last night was my 4th trip to Help. For the most part, it´s my casa de cambio. I´ll bring $100 to change everytime. They were giving, 2.45, but last night only 2.43. Still better than any other place I´ve changed at here.

I left my apartment at 11:45pm, and it´s about 6 blocks there. I got to the door with a few minutes to spare, but the rush was immense on a Saturday night. The line to change dollars was even 3 deep, and I had to wait outside for a couple of minutes.

I tried to change $200, but they´d only go $100. I got my ticket, and was just entering when they rang the bell to signal midnight. I don´t know what they do if you´re still out front in line to buy a ticket.

The line for the girl´s ID´s/bag check went all the way up the stairs and over to the dancefloor!

It was just midnight, but was about as full as I had seen it yet. More came in later, so it was totally packed. I like to go upstairs and get a view of the downstairs to spot anything nice below.

I finished my first drink, and went downstairs. I decided I´d try my first alcoholic drink of the trip (and probably my last, I just don´t often drink, even if it´s free), so I tried the Capriwhateverthefuckitscalled drink. It was so strong and nasty that over the span of an hour, I only managed to drink abou t 1/4 of it.

I saw one girl on the dancefloor who was nice. Not stunning, but nice. I talked to her a bit, but nothing came of it. I saw one nice spinner that was next to me, and I smiled at her. She looked late teen´s or early 20´s. Looked fairly small chested, but that´s not a problem as long as there is *something* there.

I bought her a drink, and we sat down and talked for awhile. We had some LFK, and some general groping. Seemed nice. However, when it came to moneytime, we just weren´t coming together. I wanted a few hours, but finally just offered her 150 for a couple of hours. She accepted.

We went out front, and I avoided the rip off taxi´s parked there. I got one that had just dropped someone off. There was $52 on the meter, and as soon as we got in, he cleared it. I thought he had reset it, but as I looked at it a block later, he had just turned it off.

I told him to use the meter, and he got pissed off. He told me 10R. If I would have wanted to pay $10R, I would have gotten one of the ripoffs in front of Help! I tell him to stop and let us out. He refuses.

I understand about 50% of what he´s saying, but he´s just bitching and moaning. He finally says 2R. I can live with that. I start to feel her breasts, but she pushes my hand away. Not always a good sign.

We go the other few blocks to my apartment, and I open the door. I give him 2 $1R coins. He looks at them, yells at me, and throws them out the door. Perhaps the $2R had been a pissy answer. I get out of the car, and help the garotta out. The taxi driver is saying things about my mother (I think), and we head into the building.

We go upstairs, and go into the apartment. I get a drink, and we head to the the bedroom. I take a look at her tits, and see that even her small bust has a padded bra. She then asks to be paid. I nicely say that I pay after. She says she doesn´t do that. I tell her that no Brazilian would pay first, and she agrees. I then start to pull my money out to show her that I have it, but she want´s it upfront or nothing. Okay, nothing then. I open the door, and say, "Let´s go". She looks at me with a pouty look, but comes over. I thought she´d see reason at this point, but I guess not.

I walk her downstairs, put her into a taxi, and give her $5R for the taxi. (Normal fare is about $3.5-$4.5 to Help from my apt).

I have only pulled one other garotta from Help who was a big disappointment. I haven´t posted on that since the picture I took I can´t transfer from my camera until I get home. I see the nice looking chicas there, but the attitude doesn´t seem to be worth it in the least.

Jaimito Cartero

09-18-05, 23:23

As Rio Bob pointed out awhile back, I often seem to get sick when I´m somewhere for an extended amount of time. A few days ago, I started to feel my throat swelling. Sometimes I don´t know if its because of something I got from DATY, or something else. However, I´ve used the same Azitromicina that he mentioned with very good results. I know the last time I bought some in Costa Rica it cost me about $22US for 3 pills.

I price shopped 4 different drugs stores and found that Drogaria Pops+ had the best price at $28R. Others ranged from $29-$35R.

Today, I went to the Hippy fair in Ipanema, and walked back. I spotted a Drogasmil, and decided I´d check their price as well. They had a generic version which was way cheaper than any of the others. I paid $16R and some change for 3. I checked out the box I had bought before, and it wasn´t generic. I´m not sure if the others don´t have it available, or just didn´t offer it to me. I guess it wouldn´t hurt to ask for generic, though.

In general, I find the drug prices to be 20-70% less than I´ve gotten it around the world. So if you like to keep your own medicine cabinet, I´d check the generic versions out.

Thone

09-19-05, 02:40

I am preparing for my long awaited vacation to Rio.I want to spend time in the termas. I have only visited Luomo ( 4 times in 4 nights) last year. My favorites are apparently no longer there. Any recommendations at Luomo? I think I may try Solarium and Centaurus and possibly Monte Carlo. Please let me know. I will reciprocate.

Trippleecks

09-19-05, 13:02

Zeel.......

You can rent a nice 1 bedroom apt. (for a long term 30 month lease) in Rio, in Copacabana for about 900-1000.reais a month for an nice UN-furnished apartment. Furn. is cheap and it should cost you about 5000-8000.reais to furn it nicely.. divided into 30 months is only about 170-270.reais a month.. still better than paying 1800-2000.reais a month for a furn. apt.

Trippleecks

09-19-05, 13:10

Jaimito Cartero

09-19-05, 14:33

Jaimito Cartero...... you did the right thing by asking her to leave... you're lucky she did not call the cops and tell them you refused to pay her after you nailed her.. but that is the chance you take with the girls from Help Disco. I never even go there anymore. I always call the escort agencies now.

Well considering that we had been there for only 5 minutes, I think the doorman would have backed me up. I do think I'll have some of the newer garotas from Karla models or Scort pay me a visit before I leave.

Jaimito Cartero

09-19-05, 15:07

Well, I thought I'd end the trilogy and do a high end buffet place. I've heard good things about Porcao, and decided to venture over into Ipanema to check it out. I grabbed a bus heading over to Ipanema, and with my so-so map just jumped out in the general area of the restaurant. My map was just out of one of the free tourist brochures, so doesn't list block numbers, etc.

I was about 4 blocks away, which wouldn't have been too bad if it hadn't been raining. I manage to find it, and it's $53.90R all the time. Same as the other places, no drinks, no desserts.

It's pretty fancy, and looks about 60% tourists are there. A group of 5 people were sitting there at the entry. I think they had bought a voucher at their hotel, but didn't want to eat there. The door guy was saying they'd only get 20% (I think) back on the money they paid.

It was nicely appointed. The salad bar is nice, with a nice sushi selection, fish, hot dishes, cheese, shrimp soup. Bigger than Monchique, but smaller than Kilograma in this department.

I was trying to get my meat place filled to take a nice picture, but after it was half filled, they just didn't stop anymore until I started eating some of it.

Quality is good on all the items. The meat was the best I've eaten here so far, but still falls below what I make on my own grill at home (with $2 a pound or $10 a pound meat), or the meat I love in Argentina.

They do bring you a form for additional sides (onion rings, beans, etc). I got a couple and they were okay.

Water was $4R or so. They add 10% tip on automatically. Service was sporadic at best. It took me about 20 minutes to get my check. They try to sell you lots of drinks and desserts too. English was spoken by many of the employees. They take dollars, but only give $2.24 exchange.

Unless you really want to show off to someone, I would take a pass here. While the meat was good, the meat at Monchique for about 1/4 the price is pretty close.

Total bill (with 10% tip) was $64.45R or so.

Bandy

09-19-05, 16:56

JC,

Your post on Porcao brought back lots of special memories. Actually, this place was recommended by a brazilian who I met during the Sugar Loaf trip. Porcao actually is a chain, and he specifically mentioned the Ipenema branch, not the Copa branch.

I had a girl with me that night. Food, as you mentioned, was great. They serve some specialized drinks, which also were very good. There is a famous night club (forgot the name, very close to that restaurant) which caters to mainly young crowd and jam packed on a friday night. We paid a visit and stayed for a while. If you have a date, it is worth it.

Another high end place is Marius, in Leme. More expensive than Porcao, but the food is really great. Their seafood place (next to each other) is highly rated.

RE: HELP

I went to Rio two years ago. I went to HELP nine consecutive nights. I had great experiences there. I took, five different girls, one for four nights. I never had any problem with any one of them. Are things so different now? As you are negotiating the price, to avoid trouble, may be you should also make sure that you are going to pay at the end. If she does not agree, you save lots of hassels.

Bandy

PS: I hope you don't mind for saying so, but to pay a cab driver 2 Real in front of a girl, really makes you look very cheap. Do it when you are alone, but not in front of a date. I think that incident alone made the girl quite apprehensive about the payment. Generally, I found these brazilian girls very friendly and fun loving.

Doc Bill

09-19-05, 17:49

I was there last year and had an enjoyable experience, but not even close to the pleasure I experienced at Marius. Porcao had good food, mediocre atmosphere, and the servers were a bit too over-attentive and zealous. Marius, if it is any more expensive, it's only negligable and a far better place, especially with a date. The servers know when to attend to you and when to leave you alone, and the atmosphere is quite romantic.

RE: HELP: It was a blast for me my first time, but with all the other options around I really just don't get it now. Too much hassle, risk and uncertainty. Maybe I like it too easy, but I prefer the termas and getting a terma girl's number to see the next day. With HELP girls I'd say my ratio of hassle experiences vs. non-hassle experiences is about 50/50, not worth the bother to me.

Then again, I really feel almost obligated to check out Villa Mimosa next time (Oct 20-27)!

Sunset Strip

09-19-05, 19:07

Fats,

Good point! I was sure she was not asleep, though, because I saw her look my way when she opened her top to squeeze her breasts.

But you are right, which is why I did no more, because the fact that she was pretending to be asleep is enough to cause problems.

I saw two guys get arrested for this sort of thing when I was college on a greyhound bus.

I will leave any mile high club stuff to my fantasy life.

TJ

Jaimito Cartero

09-19-05, 19:15

I hope you don't mind for saying so, but to pay a cab driver 2 Real in front of a girl, really makes you look very cheap. Do it when you are alone, but not in front of a date. I think that incident alone made the girl quite apprehensive about the payment. Generally, I found these brazilian girls very friendly and fun loving.

I paid him $2R, because that's what I understood he asked for. I first asked to be let out of the cab as soon as I discovered he was ripping me off. And that is what he was doing, by not using the meter. I mean, why would I walk 50 meters away from Help if I wanted to pay $10R for a $4R ride. I have no tolerance for ripoffs. If you let people take you, then you're only perpetuating the problems. Show weakness to a garota and what will it get you? Oh, I mean $150 dollars, not Reals.

I was starting to show the garota my money when I decided that it wasn't worth it. I walked her to the main street, got her a taxi and paid for it.

Jaimito Cartero

09-19-05, 19:19

JC,

Your post on Porcao brought back lots of special memories. Actually, this place was recommended by a brazilian who I met during the Sugar Loaf trip. Porcao actually is a chain, and he specifically mentioned the Ipenema branch, not the Copa branch.

Where did I mention the Copa branch?

Perhaps I wasn't clear, while the food was good, it was value-wise, not worth it. To compare it to something you're probably familar with, I found Grant's in BA (which costs $4-$5US) had better meat, and certainly a better selection of dishes. $27 is a ripoff in my opinion. It also had mildly slippery floors. Someone here mentioned it may be because of the plates of meat, and juices falling onto the floor. I tested the main aisle, and then the floor next to a table that wasn't a main walking area, and the latter was fine.

Jaimito Cartero

09-19-05, 19:33

Well my $60R garota called me about 6pm on Saturday wanting to come over. I was headed out to Miami Show and then for dinner, so I told her on Sunday.

She came over Sunday night, and was dressed in normal clothes. It turns out she's some skater chick. Converse shoes, jeans and a T-Shirt. Made her look more interesting than the more hookerish clothes she wore the last time.

We move to the bedroom, and again, she gives me a nice massage. Around 1/2 an hour or so.

She then started a very nice BBBJ, and then a wonderful HJ. If I wouldn't have stopped her, I wouldn't have lasted another minute.

I didn't think we'd be on a time limit, so I really took my time on the DATY. About 35 min or so. She popped twice. (I verified this later with her, and she had no reason to fake them. )

We then moved to missionary, and I had her finish me with her wonderful BBBJ. As long as you don't blow in her mouth, she's very enthusiastic.

We talked a bit afterwards, I took some more pics, and got some personal info. I figured she might be a favela girl, but no. From a middle class family, she's sharing an apartment in Copa with some other girls.

If this chica lost a little weight and actually wore makeup, she'd be a killer. Total time was a bit over 90 minutes. I just slipped the money into her backpack, and all was good.

Carrib

09-19-05, 20:11

excellent reports my man!!...I can't wait for the pics.

Viper10

09-19-05, 21:19

I just landed back home a little while ago. I will be writing a complete report in the next few days. In my opinion, the rankings:

1. Centaurus ( most quality and quantity)
2. Luomo (good musical vibe)
3. Solarium ( good musical vibe)
4 Barberelli (costly)
5. 4X4 ( too many people)
6. Monte Carlo ( downhill since Carnival)
7. Rio Antigo (still won't go home empty handed)
1000. Holiday (don't bother)

I just went to Rio during Carnival and these ranking have been turned upside down. In February, Monte Carlo was one of the best, now it was one of the least favorite. The mood and vibe in Luomo and Solarium can't be beat. The girls have fun, and they play dance and musica funky. 4X4 is a favorite among many, but for me it was just too crowded. Too many people, no place to sit. Centaurus was a favorite because of the quantity and quality. They also wear a little more clothing, and for me you can then really appreciate the girls when they are wearing pants and see how they really look with clothes on. Rio Antigo was fine, but not like the others. You should never set a foot in Holiday's. Since everyone knows the prices everywhere, I will not include them. Holiday's pricing is 30R to enter which includes 2 drinks. The house fee for the room is 50R and the girls charge 150R. That 150R can be brought down to 100R or probably even lower.(I did not bother to bargain down lower since I got up and left.) In all, no terma you can go wrong. Every terma had their "star" girls. Although many don't like Centaurus, remember you can pay the 90R fee to enter, and pay for the girl if you choose to go upstairs with one. That way you don't pay "upfront."

Viper

Viper10

09-19-05, 21:26

Is it just me or is the intial taxi fee 3.70R when the meter starts? I did have one other person in the car. I have been reading reports where people mention that the trip should cost 3-4R and I don't see that possible. Was I getting ripped off? Thanks.

Viper

Latino

09-20-05, 01:20

Travelling to Rio in November 11/9-11/21, will be mainly in Copacabana and Ipanema areas. If any of you are in the area (around that time) and would like to hang out, let me know. Will travel with 2 other guys (we're all late 20's, early 30's and speak spanish fluently-can understand portuguese fairly well). If any of you know the area or are there around that time, let me know. It would be good to meet fellow experienced mongers and learn something from the pros. Will definitely post with pictures upon my return.

Que viva Rio !

Latino

No Parlezi

09-20-05, 01:51

I didn't think we'd be on a time limit, so I really took my time on the DATY. About 35 min or so. She popped twice. (I verified this later with her, and she had no reason to fake them. )[/QUOTE]Just curious, do most mongers have any issue going down on garotas?

Cachorro

09-20-05, 03:52

The Porcao in Flamengo is recommended.

It's right on the water's edge. It has a nicer sense of occasion than the one in Ipanema. My personal experience was that service and food were very good quality.

But there are more high-end places in Rio than Porcao for those who like things more formal.

Comparing meat to what you'll find in BsAs is a big ask though. Rio barbeque is fantastic, but BsAs takes it to another level.

It's an interesting point about value. My opinion is that value for money of anything is not what it used to be for us gringos, simply due to the exchange rate in Brazil.

Trippleecks

09-20-05, 15:00

Viper10 ... no, those are the new rates.. 3.70r to start and the meter now jumps 15r every time it changes.
Also for the entire month of December the taxies will always run on (2) due to Brazilian laws for a 13th month salary bonus. I wish the USA would implement that kind of law. I could certainly use another months pay at the end of the year.

Liucio

09-21-05, 06:02

I was in RIO for two days. I invested in some property and went for business.
I visted the Famous Rio Antigo. The place has'nt changed. I thought one girl was preganant. I went to support the establishment, I met the owner last year. Bought some drinks, seen nothing I liked. But I do recommend the place.

Went to my favorite. SOLARIUM place is the best.
Met Patricia as soon as I sat down at the bar. 25yo., muscular legs and four pack abs. Cross between Asian ( Korean) & Amazonian facial features. Very different for RIO. Thin waist and wide ass.

Went to room and begged her for completa, she refused, I kept begging and she said she'll try. ASS too tight, she kept hitting my legs very hard with her fist wanting me to stop. After ten minutes, we broke two condoms and lube everywhere I settled for the bush.

She has huge lips on the p*ssy, huge. They are folded about four times and when she's in doggy, those lips just hang. Flat chest but she was worth it.

Left RIO and headed Norte

Liucio

09-21-05, 06:09

Liucio

09-21-05, 06:11

Nice post,
If you get the chance check out LAPA on Friday nights. (college girls)

Lover Boy #2

09-21-05, 09:18

Zeel,

That payment amount seems pretty good to enjoy your life in Brasil. I am just sitting here dreaming of "Circuit Switched Network Elements" and how to make them a part of my life!! Rock on.

Jaimito Cartero

09-21-05, 13:42

Well, I was bored yesterday, so decided to check out Vila Mimosa at the shift change. I got onto the subway at about 4:30, and got off on the station after São Cristovão (Machado?), since I had two names written down. I took a taxi there, but he had to go around a lot, so it cost me $9R. I think it would have been $5 or so if I had gotten off at São Cristovão.

I sat down at one of the bars on the street, and drank my water while checking out all the garota's. There is a huge variety here, short, tall, black, brown, white. Fugly's and beauties too. More of the former than the latter, but still a nice mix.

I saw about a half dozen stunners, and I'd say that 1/2 the chicas could easily fit into the Help crowd.

I saw one chica that caught my eye. Chocolatey, and a nice shape and green eyes. I just went up to say hi, and went up to the room almost immediately. Cost was $26. There were sheets on the bed, so it must have been a deluxe room.

I hadn't asked many questions before we went up (Just name and age), so I wasn't too surprised when she'd only do CBJ. She has a nice figure, and is lactating a little (I just seem to always get them). She was good about having her picture taken, but ALWAYS seemed to close her eyes, or have them half closed when I took the pic!

Given the time, there wasn't much of chance for more than a BJ, so I just had her work on me for a bit, and then took some pics. I decided I would take one of the other garotas.

I'll post the two pictures in the photo forum.

Macunaima

09-21-05, 23:15

James Howard

09-22-05, 01:15

you spend a lot of time with these girls "as a friend and colleague"? give me a break.

i think the thing that is most attractive about brazilian gdp is that they actually have passion and enjoy sex. how can you say that none of these girls ever get off? do you tell your non-gdp "friends and colleagues" how often and/or how hard you get off with your girl? in the same light, why would these girls feel the need to admit anything to you. it's not exactly something they'd want to brag about. but, that's not to say it doesn't happen.

perhaps you could elaborate how a "creative" girl is able to produce juices? what juices are they producing? are you able to produce juices on command? if so, please advise us upon your technique. i believe that i am "creative", would it be possible for you to teach me how to produce juices that aren't peepee on command?

i hate to admit it, but i am one of those suckers who makes it a personal mission to make my girl get off, regardless if she's charging me or if it's a girlfriend. i am quite sure that a few of the pros have had as good an experience with me as i with them.

Bravo

09-22-05, 01:28

Regarding Taxi fares, the meter changes more quickly now.
The fares will be increasing in January.

I met some regulars who I always see in RIO no matter when I go. I don't think these guys have jobs, how the hell do they get to BRAZIL 4 or 5 times a year. I mean i see them on all my trips , but anyway, they said they are staying away from Mea Pettaca, to many problems being caused.

Is there something I missed, I know the place is going down the tubes, but whats going on. Someone tell me something.

More than likely, those guys you see "who are always in brasil" have businesses at home that do not require for them to be there 24/7. I know a few guys whose businesses practically run themselves (with the aid of a good manager) and they can go on vacation every month.

Why didnt you just ask the guys what the problem with MP was, when they told you to stay away?

Exec Talent

09-22-05, 03:07

Macunaima,

So much misinformation. Tell you what, next time I am in Rio I will PM you and you can meet some of the girls I have been with. Ask them, in front of me, in private if they have orgasms when we are together and if they enjoy making love with me.

During my last visit I had no fewer than 5 girls stay with me for free. And when they spent the night it was until 3:00 in the afternoon, not running out at 6:00 AM.

Did you ever think that just maybe you only THINK the girls are your friends and really they laugh about you and talk to us about you behind your back?

Jaimito Cartero

09-22-05, 03:28

Jaime sez:

"Well, there are many things on heaven and earth that I don´t presume to know. However, when I´ve got my tongue working on her clit, my fingers in her pussy, and I can feel the contractions, the juice and all the other physical evidence, I can be pretty sure about what´s happening."

Jaime, I'm not calling you a fool, but I spend an AWFUL lot of time with these women and not as a john, but as a friend and a colleague. One of the most common subjects of discussion among them is what you can do to make a john think you're cuming. Believe me, many of them do indeed know about muscle contractions and the like and any reasonably creative woman can get her juices flowing pretty much at will. Women in general are artists when it comes to faking orgasms and pros are the consumate professionals in this department.

Rio pros REALLY do not like to cum with clients. It's right up there with American pros not kissing their clients.

I bet I know more about women orgasming than you do. I would welcome a contest if you´re here in Rio right now. You conjecture without first hand knowledge is just that, conjecture. You´re probably one of those just who just wants to throw a fuck into a garota, and that´s all you care about.

Sure, there are lots of women who will try and fake it. These are the types that will start gnashing their teeth and moaning from the get go. If you know what signs to look for, it´s not hard. And while a woman might be able to fake her muscle contractions, when your pillow is wet from their juices, it *does* mean something.

Perkele

09-22-05, 15:56

Come on guys!

Go easy on this character. He loves to argue on these issues and you're just throwing gas on the flames. I believe that he gets excited when he's telling us that the girls are this or that.
This nic has been ranting and raving in another discussion forum about the same issues and he's actually working on getting a UNION for ho's in Brasil. Another thing he claims he's working on is some kind of study relating mongering in Brasil. He knows every ho from Manaus to Florianopolis but he has never had sex with any of them. Yeah Right.
So just let him be.

P

Digits

09-23-05, 01:21

I was quite sure I had come across a map of Rio posted by one of the senior members on this board which had all the main points of interest (for members of this forum anyway) marked and highlighted! So, now that I am finally heading to Rio, I have spent literally hours looking for it and I cannot find it!

I am now wondering whether it was a different city and not Rio.

Help!

Digits

Exec Talent

09-23-05, 01:52

Perkele,

Of course you are right. I just hate for guys who have never been to Rio and are thinking of coming to read his posts and think that is how it really is.

Treat women with respect, kindness and tenderness. Care about their feelings and pleasure and reap the benefits. Act like a self-absorbed jerk and get treated like one. Pretty simple really.

If all I care about was getting off, I would buy an industrial size container of hand lotion, a year's supply of Viagra and have at it. I spend time with women because I enjoy women and there are none better than those in Brazil.

Liucio

09-23-05, 05:33

I was told by one of the guys "2 many characters".
I'll refrain from judgement because its not a spot 4 me, never been.
Most love the place, I say good for them.

Liucio

09-23-05, 05:36

I just made an investment in some porperty there also, and hopefully, soon I will become 1 of those guys that can afford to come down 4 times a yr. Can't pass up a good thing.

Lorenzo

09-23-05, 07:16

Rio Bob,

Please learn how to spell 'loser,' lest you be mistaken for one. Regards,

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy

09-23-05, 14:27

Here is a map showing Copacabana and some relevant spots, it is not a comprehensive map but I guess it is a start.

Barbarrella, franks and most other "boites" are in the block of Avinida Princess Isabella & Prado Junior to the far right of the map. Centaraus is off Avidinida Rainha Elizabeth, to the far left of the map.

Other spots of interest are mainly down town "centro", about 7 miles away.

Map provided by Kenn at Ez Rentals, not drawn by me.

Jaimito Cartero

09-23-05, 18:38

Well I've been wanting to get another Karla or a Scort model over to my apartment. I was almost out of Reals, and didn't feel like going to the Citibank ATM or changing some dollars.

I called them at 9am today. They went down a big list of chicas, but I didn't recognize any of the names. I gave a basic description of what I was looking for. I asked if they could take some dollars, and they called me back 20 minutes later and told me the amount. (Average exchange rate).

It started to rain very heavily, so I wasn't sure if that would be a problem or not with the garota getting there.

Another 30 minutes goes by, but no chica. I get a call from the agency, and it appears they wrote the address down a little wrong. I give them the right apt number, and in two minutes Beatriz is at the door.

She's dressed in warmup jacket and jeans. Once the jacket comes off, she looks much nicer. She's about 5' 6", pierced belly button, nice pert B tits, and a nice shaved pussy. She has super thick lips, it's almost like opening an oyster up and seeing the pearl inside.

She shows me the Scort book, which has twice the photos that the Karla one does. I'm the first of the day, but she still takes a shower, which gives me a chance to take pics of the entire book. I'd guess there are 25 or so chicas in the book.

We move the bedroom, and I kiss her a little, she says she only lets her boyfriends/girlfriends do any DFK. I did get a little LFK later in the morning.

She was moderately resposive to DATY. She was making some noise, but I'd say it was 50/50 at this point if it was real or not. After about 25 minutes, I decide it's her turn to do me.

I can say that I'm impressed with the skills of all the garotas that I've gotten from Karla/Scort (All 2 of them!). Very good BBBJ. Since Angelica had tried to leave after only an hour, I made sure and clarified before I went over the edge with Beatrix.

Afterwards, we cleaned up a bit, and then went back to the bedroom, and just talked and fondled a bit. I've often found that younger chicas are kind of dead at this point, but she was very pleasant to talk to.

I pulled out a vibrator and starting DATY again. She was shivering all over, but it seemed like a good kind of shiver. I spent about half an hour alternating between just the vibrator and oral action. She was fine with anything in her pussy, but didn't want anything in her ass. She says she does completa, but I don't know if she enjoys it or not.

She really liked the vibrator, and it was a clit magnet the last 5 minutes. This time when she said she was coming, I believed it. She was so sensitive you couldn't even touch her pussy.

I then had her do a BBBJ on me again, since the first one was so great. She had to really work at it this time, but stuck in there for about 15 minutes.

Afterwards, we got some drinks and just talked about different stuff. She said she averages 4-5 clients a day. I'd rate her a 7.5 in looks, and an 8 in service. She let me take some pictures, but none of her face. Her picture in the model book look accurate. Says she's been working there for 3 months. An amazingly enough, a non-smoker.

$100R plus $30R for taxi ($10R less than Karla). She stayed just over 2 hours.

I think that I will call Scort for most of the rest of my mongering needs for this last 6 days of my trip. No worry about BBBJ. No haggling on prices, and pretty fucking good service.

The Corn Hole

09-23-05, 19:21

Believe me, many of them do indeed know about muscle contractions and the like and any reasonably creative woman can get her juices flowing pretty much at will. This is true. I can also regulate the amount of man sauce that shoots out of my cock at any given time. If I so desire I can produce a drop or two or make her face look like a melted candle on command.

Look I would think that most people on here have enough experience in this department to know how to spot a cheap imitation from the real McCoy. By making idiotic statements like "Rio pros don't come with Johns" insults the intelligence of everybody here. Who's watching too many movies now Mac?

Wrap your brain around this, there's a reality show on HBO about the now practically world famous Bunny Ranch brothell in Nevada. In it the girls freely admit that they routinely climax with the customers. They even have some lady coaching them on what techniques and positions to use in order to intesify orgasms. I've had a number of American pros climax multiple times with me. Now, anyone who has spent time with Brazilian women know how much more open with their sexuality they are compared to US women. So why again is it so hard for you to believe a Rio pro would be any different from an American one?

Oh, wait they are different. Latin chicks actually get off MUCH EASIER!!

Bless their hearts.

Macunaima

09-23-05, 23:02

james howard sez:
"you spend a lot of time with these girls "as a friend and colleague"? give me a break."

yep, james. i and my wife volunteer for davida, the local prostitutes' association, interviewing women and collecting life histories of prostitution, among other things (you can see their newspaper here, if you like: http://www.beijodarua.com.br/). i'm not a john and never have been, though i personally have nothing at all against johns. i'm not on this site to get monger info: i'm here to contribute what i know about the scene from a different perspective than is usually expressed here. so yeah, james, i happen to spend a lot of time sitting at tables with gdps and drinking beer and doing interviews. you ask...

"how can you say that none of these girls ever get off?"

one cannot prove a negative, james, so what's your point?

and in any case, who's saying "never"? what i am saying is that based on what gdps say when they are talking among themselves with no need to perform for a client that it is very, very rare - certainly not "25% of the time". my point is that pros know that giving good service is good for business and that most johns' favorite fantasy is that the woman who they are with is actually getting off on what they do. but trust me james, these women are not having sex with you because they enjoy it. they are doing for one reaosn and one reason alone: $$$$$$$$.

you ask: "do you tell your non-gdp "friends and colleagues" how often and/or how hard you get off with your girl?"

james, if you'd ever hang out with pros as friends and not as a john, you'd quickly discover that they are not at all shy about talking about what they do. ossos do ofício, trutinha. they are not at all embarassed about talking very frankly about sex and prostitution and they certainly have less reason to lie to a female co-worker than they do to you. so sorry if this news pops your favorite fantasy, man, but there it is. it just ain't happening...

you ask: "perhaps you could elaborate how a 'creative' girl is able to produce juices?"

james, ask any woman you like (preferably one who you aren't paying to accompany you, however): getting wet is nowhere near as difficult a thing as getting a hard on. one doesn't need to be particularly aroused. furthermore, there are moments during a woman's normal monthly cycle when some women are pretty much wet all the time (and no, i'm not talking about menstruation here). this is basic biology, man. any reasonably motivated woman can get wet pretty much at will. that's a hell of a lot different from having an orgasm. again, don't take my word for it: ask any woman you trust or hell, read any basic sex or biology book. it's not like this is esoteric information, james.

(as an aside, my wife and co-researcher here is reading this post and laughing her ass off: "let me get this straight. the guy thinks that any time a woman's wet it means that he's getting her hot? don't they teach sex ed in north american schools...?")

james asks:
"i believe that i am "creative", would it be possible for you to teach me how to produce juices that aren't peepee on command?"

no james, because boys and girls are different down there. didn't mommy tell you that? wait a minute... these "women" you're picking up... they're not from the passeio público by any chance? here's a hint james: if "her" peepee looks like yours, "she's" not really a woman.

"i am quite sure that a few of the pros have had as good an experience with me as i with them."

you want to make a pro really get off, james? pay her twice what you agreed upon.

lol. some people's kids, i tell ya...

exec talent, who seems to have a real bug up his ass about anything i post, whatever it may be, sez:
"so much misinformation. tell you what, next time i am in rio i will pm you and you can meet some of the girls i have been with. ask them, in front of me, in private if they have orgasms when we are together and if they enjoy making love with me."

exec, try to put yourself in that girl's shoes: she makes good money off of you. you are a repeat client. you obviously enjoy the idea that you are "making" her cum. why, then, would she tell a gringo you introduced her to anything different? what could she possibly gain from it other than the loss of a decent client? if you really want to check out your suspicions that you are being lied to, you need to get a woman who has no apparent connection to you to start talking to that girl. otherwise, i'd have to meet her myself outside the context of the copa nightlife, preferably when she's hanging out shooting the shit with her girlfriends. and without your presence, which would naturally tend to induce a performance.

but i'm curious, exec: how does she let you know she enjoys sex with you? does she rub herself up against you, moan and say "me so horny. me fuck you long time"? lol

"during my last visit i had no fewer than 5 girls stay with me for free."

i've dealt with this phenomenon elsewhere, exec. they're not doing that because you're such a good-looking guy or because you're so smooth or because they are so horny. they are doing it because - as any copa pro will tell you - you can almost always make more money off of boyfriends than you can off of clients. so a girl who's got a nice wad in the bank is probably going to give away a few freebies, especially if the man in question looks very green. worse comes to worse, she will always get something out of it, if only her bar tab, breakfast or whatever. and from what the woman say, constantly, whether or not you gave those girls presents, many gringos do. it's a very good bet. if you have cash in hand, then, giving out freebies can be very, very good for business.

last month, frex, i interviewed a woman who told me how she had recently had a "boyfriend" in copa for a week. normally she works as a pro, but in this case, she stayed with him one night for free. he liked her a lot and stayed with her for six days. during that time, they went all over rio, dancing and eating out every night - the good life. and when he left, a week later, he gave her his remaining cash, which ammounted to some 700 reais. when i and the girl sat down and tallied up everything she got that week, including food, drinks, little presents (like a new dress and top and a necklace) and club fees, we found that her total take for the week was close to 2000 reais - 700 of that in cash. that is not at all a bad deal in a country where the minimum wage is around 300 reais per month. pure profit, considering that before she met this guy, she'd already turned enough tricks to pay for her rent and expenses that month.

so freebies are good business. every gdp knows this and is constantly on the look-out for a guy who's on the make for a "girlfriend experience" instead of a quick fuck.

"did you ever think that just maybe you only think the girls are your friends and really they laugh about you and talk to us about you behind your back?"

oh, yes, exec. all the time. but seeing as how i am not paying them a flat penny, what's the profit in lying? you guys are the ones who are paying for fantasies and the girls realize that. so who are they more likely to lie to?

but that's not all, exec. i'm hardly the only one doing research in this area. our team has one other guy and 3 women, one of whom is an ex-pro herself, and they all report the same thing. plus, we're not the only team who's been working this field. there's been a lot of research already done on prostituion in copacabana over the last 30 years. i can think of some 6 books on the topic of prostitution in copacabana alone, several written by prostitutes themselves.

so let's apply occam's razor, shall we? what's more likely:

1) that all these native, portuguese-speaking authors and researchers have been systematically lied to for the last thirty years and that copa pros are in fact a bunch of over-sexed girls who fuck 'cause they just can't get enough. strangely enough, however, (given their obvious liberal attitudes about sex) they don't want anyone to know the deep dark secret that they actually fuck their clients because they enjoy sex with random foreign men, so they've developed this amazing conspiracy of lies to throw everyone - including their colleagues in the sex industry off the track.

2) you, a gringo who probably barely speaks portuguese, are being lied to by competent, professional sex workers who know that it's important to you that they seem to be having a good time. in other words, that these women are giving you exactly what you pay for.

simple reason indicates that the second option is a hell of a lot more likely than the first. again, i'm sorry if this is destroying your illusions, but there you go.

perk sez:
"he knows every ho from manaus to florianopolis but he has never had sex with any of them. yeah right."

well, what can i say, perk? i speak portuguese well enough to teach university courses in the language and i've lived here for 20 years. consequently, i've never had to pay for sex. it's not like it's hard to find sex partners in rio without paying for them, as long as you know how to speak the language and have lots of friends to introduce you around.

and why pay for the cow when the milk is free?

Gladiator

09-23-05, 23:57

My point is that pros know that giving good service is good for business and that most johns' favorite fantasy is that the woman who they are with is actually getting off on what they do. But trust me James, these women are NOT having sex with you because they enjoy it. They are doing for one reaosn and one reason alone: $$$$$$$$.

I couldn’t agree more with this.

I also find foolish each time some guys post how they made a hooker reach an orgasm or how much pleasure the hooker was feeling thanks to them - I can’t think of a better example of self-delusion.

Often those statements come from newbies, though occasionally they come from more experienced mongers, which is even more serious as it clearly shows their chronic naivety.

Macunaima, you made some other good points in your post, I admire your patience with such silly questions and comments.

Liucio

09-24-05, 02:09

Which did you prefer the garotas of HELP or the ecorts?

Digits

09-24-05, 03:41

Bubba Boy,

This is not the same map that I had seen, but it will be helpful nevertheless.

Thank you.

Digits

Here is a map showing Copacabana and some relevant spots, it is not a comprehensive map but I guess it is a start.

Barbarrella, franks and most other "boites" are in the block of Avinida Princess Isabella & Prado Junior to the far right of the map. Centaraus is off Avidinida Rainha Elizabeth, to the far left of the map.

Other spots of interest are mainly down town "centro", about 7 miles away.

Map provided by Kenn at Ez Rentals, not drawn by me.

Exec Talent

09-24-05, 06:14

Macunaima,

I will be returning to Rio next week. Here is your chance. I will PM you when I arrive and you can talk first hand to a couple of the girls I have seen regularly. Ask them whatever you like.

The reason your posts tick me off is they are filled with misinformation. Did it ever occur to you that some of the guys who come to Rio are very successful with women. I have been in long-term relationships with extremely beautiful and successful women. I also have been with women from more countries than I can remember. I like women. I don't like to just have sex with them. I like everything about them.

Prosal

09-24-05, 10:10

Go easy on this character. He knows every ho from Manaus to Florianopolis but he has never had sex with any of them.

Macunaima surely doesn't know shit about Manaus or Florianopolis. I bet he has NEVER been there. In fact the guy has surely NEVER been elsewhere in Brasil than Rio's cheap districts and Sao Paulo's periferias.

Anyway I'd be curious to see him preaching on www.GPguia.net his sententious shit and to say to the brasilian mongers, as he does here, "Boys, as long as you know how to speak the language there's no reasons to pay for sex in Brasil". lol.

He'd be busted out in a few seconds !

Pro

Bimbo Boy

09-24-05, 13:43

Hey guys,

I don't know if Macunaima tells the truth, but I have read with attention what he writes, and it really makes sense. I am interested in reading more from him.

The vast majority of mongers live in a fantasy world. Thanks to Jackson, they now have this forum to understand what is really going on.

I have experienced what Macunaima said first hand.

I once was very proud to say to a friend "I never had to pay for sex in my life", and he answered. "You always pay for it, one way or another".

Damm! I realized that he was completely right! Think of it: Just a dinner for two in a good restaurant is the price of a 1H session with a good pro.

I once nearly became a "Sugar Daddy", sort of falling in love with a very beautiful and young carioca pro. I came to my senses when I found out that I was spending a fortune buying her clothes and a new cellphone. I was just a walking wallet to her.

I found out fast that sex is much cheaper when one PAYS for it...

About the orgasms, come on guys, THINK. How would you feel if you had to do sex 5 times a day every working day of the week? 250 days a year? It would be like WORK! It would not be FUN anymore!

Regards to all.

Bimbo Boy

Bubba Boy

09-24-05, 15:42

I would agree it would be a very good thing to have an insightful and intelligent Brasilian guy post here. Much could be gained by this. However Macunaima is not this person. His posts are full of inaccuracies and generally just plain wrong in regards to many things he proclaims to be an "expert on".

Sunset

09-24-05, 15:53

dear mac,

why are you so intent on debunking the fantasies that fuel mutually beneficial relationships between those that seem to fascinate you, the johns and prostitutes? come on, don’t be such a party pooper.

in weighing your research data please consider that group norms can be a much stronger motivation to lie than money. i wouldn’t rely on what the ladies say to each other. my first hand experience is that women lie like crazy among themselves. attitudes towards truth and accuracy seem to be considerably different here in brazil. at least the women in rio pretend to have orgasms. i was so sick of mexican girls laying on their backs asking if i was finished before i even started.

so guys, come on down to rio! the more johns, the more pros. the more pros, the more fun for everyone. there is so much variety here in rio and rock bottom prices for the adventuresome.

Exec Talent

09-24-05, 16:08

As usual, very well said.

I have been fortunate to have made friends with several Brazilians (both male and female) and certainly feel a little in the "know." But, it would be great to have someone on the inside with real knowledge, who really has our interests at heart, posting here. Unfortunately, as much as he tries, Macunaima, gets it wrong more often than not which helps no one.

Liucio

09-24-05, 16:36

I like some of Macunaima's postings, but yes he does ramble. And no he doesn't know it all. But he does a good job reminding some of these guys that no there not a DON but JOHN.

I lot of guys can go to Brasil and pull off getting NON-PRO'S. I've seen it and witnessed it. Its not easy, you have to have some skill. It takes skills to score a NON-PRO if you don't speak the language.

Some guys can do it. And not everyguy is coming out of their pocket. I you have time, you can pul it off.

But you have those that R buying, and they think they are the shit.

But overall Macunaima has some knowledge of the culture and has a handle on the language which allows him to go into the subculture and not experience Brasil as a long term tourist.

All of us have different experience in that place, some pay more than others. Some pay twice the rate and that makes them feel even more proud.

I noticed the more I went the less I wanted to pay.
Now I'm at the point where all I want is the NON-PRO's.
I been going there to F*cking long to B paying.

I will rarely sit at those table and go thru that sh*t. I prefer searching for the NON-PRO that I can keep coming back to year after year.

Macunaima doesn't know everything, and Macunaima (I know U never said U did know everything) this is not meant for U 2 get defensive.

I was like Bimbo Boy when I first step foot on ground there 10yrs ago. I though I thought I was KING, that I was in relationships.

I was in paid relationships. As I continued to go and I studied the language for 3 yrs. I had an advantage and I refused to pay.

I lived there for 6mos in '97. Hung out with both crowds (international students & the PRO's).
Believe me the PRO's have a tough life. That country offeres no opportunity to even the educated.

So yea U R TOP DAWG, dropping a months salary for SEX. Its takes a month earn $R250 in that place.

A few of these guys especially the EURS can score the NON-PRO's. Deffinitely up North. I see it all the time. Not all of us are paying Macunaima.

I'm probably the cheapest sh*t head in this place.

But I would like to see you take Exec Talent up on his offer.
I would love to hear about that.

Like the kid said in the previous post. For some its only a FANTASY, lived out.

Liucio

09-24-05, 16:53

All most all the professional women and female student I have met in Brasil look down upon the prostitutes. I pass no judgement but from my experience this is the last thing they want their female girls to become.

Again, I pass no judgement. But some of the PRO's I've want hates the trade but the $R provides a great living standard.

From Flavela to beach front apartment over the weekend.

I must agree though Macunaima , is not the cat to convey the message.
Having said that Macunaima, he does invoke some sense of reality into some of these fantasy post.

I mean you've read some of this stuff. A lot of fantasy post.
A great mant guys post some great sh*t to learn from in here, a great many.

But I must reiterate I pass no judgement.
I each him own experience.

I would still enjoying hearing about Macunaima take Exec up on his offer.
LOL

Macunaima

09-24-05, 17:34

exec sez:
"i will be returning to rio next week. here is your chance. i will pm you when i arrive and you can talk first hand to a couple of the girls i have seen regularly. ask them whatever you like."

exec, did you read my post to you? what the hell would my asking them about you - my having been presented to them by you - prove, exactly?

your name implies that you are an executive. surely you're smart enough to figure out the problem here: girl lies to you for cash; you present friend; he asks girl is she has great sex with you... you really think the girl is going to bare her heart and give said friend an honest answer, do you? c'mon, man!

if you can think of a way around this problem, i'd happily take you up on the offer. but just presenting me to your pro and having me ask her isn't going to prove anything. shit man, the girl's on stage! what the fuck do you think she is going to say?

"the reason your posts tick me off is they are filled with misinformation. did it ever occur to you that some of the guys who come to rio are very successful with women."

exec, first of all, yes i am very well aware that there are guys who are extremely successful with the women here. however, those are generally not the guys who find it necessary to blow 300 reais a night on paid female companionship, are they? the guys who are "extremely successful with the women here" without having to pay for sex generally speak competent portuguese, live in town and are integrated into the general social scene. you don't see very many of those guys wasting their time down on copa - unless it's for a lark - because they simply don't have to.

again, why buy the cow - or even rent it - if the milk is free? unless, of course, you have a fetish for paying for milk.

waving a bunch of 50s under a girl's nose doesn't count as "being very successful with the women" in my book, exec. your mileage may vary.

as for my so-called "misinformation", how about you spell it out: what, exactly, have i said here that's so incorrect? bubba boy also sez:
"however macunaima is not this person. his posts are full of inaccuracies and generally just plain wrong in regards to many things he proclaims to be an "expert on"."

again, name names, bubba. what "inaccuracies" am i spouting here? you truly think i'm lying when i say that caricoa pros are with you for money and opportunity and not for pleasure? or is it some other "inaccuracy" you have in mind? put your money where your mouth is son: tell us specifcally what it is i'm saying that you find to be so god-awfully wrong.

pro sez: "boys, as long as you know how to speak the language there's no reasons to pay for sex in brasil". lol. he'd be busted out in a few seconds by the brasilian mongers."

well, there are johns everywhere, pro and johns like to do what they do for their own reasons. but there's no necessary reason to be a john: it's a choice, not a necessity. if you are reasonably good-looking, reasonably social, speak portuguese and know your way around, there's no need to be a john.

not only do i live here, pro, but i went to high school and university here. i have many male brazilian friends who think exactly as you do. they, too, believe that paying for pussy is the way to go. more power to them, if that's their choice. but don't fool yourself, man. it's not necessary to pay to have sex in brazil, unless pay-for-play is what gets you hot (frankly, it doesn't do it for me) or unless you can't chat up the women because you don't share a common tongue, or unless (and this is the case with many of the brazilian mongers i know) you're just a generally unpleasant guy who is not paying for sex, exactly, but paying for the feeling of totally dominating a woman, which is something he's not likely to get from his girlfriend. ask your pro friends about what they think about most brazilian johns, pro...

now, if you want to find guys who'll support your views that one must pay money for sex in brazil, i'm sure you'll find them. however, that's not been my experience, nor is it the experience of most brazilian men.

of course, one always pays for sex in one coin or another, even if it's only in attention, love and/or friendship. but it certainly isn't necessary to whip out your wallet in order to get laid. sorry.

as for manaus and floripa, you're right: while i've been there, i know little about the scenes there. then again, i don't talk or write about them, do i? if you notice, pro, this board is called "rio de janeiro reports, 2005". ever seen me on the manaus or floripa boards? :-)

sunset asks:
"why are you so intent on debunking the fantasies that fuel mutually beneficial relationships between those that seem to fascinate you, the johns and prostitutes? come on, don’t be such a party pooper."

who's "debunking", sunset? i just call 'em like i see 'em.

"in weighing your research data please consider that group norms can be a much stronger motivation to lie than money. i wouldn’t rely on what the ladies say to each other. my first hand experience is that women lie like crazy among themselves."

no doubt. but then again, my data isn't the only data on this topic, is it? when you see the same thing happening again and again, reported by many different people - researchers and sex trade workers themselves - in many different countries, then i think we can safely presume that this isn't some "social norm" that's talking here.while it's true that people are never completely truthful with one another, i really do not think it's likely that pros bare their hearts more to their johns than they do to their friends.

sunset, people like james are like those guys who believe that wrestling is real. they're like the poor souls who watch a movie and think that somehow the actor is that character. there are thousands and thousands of testimonials by pros all over the world saying that the one thing they do is play to their clients. they give the clients the fantasy they pay for. now if it were just me noticing this, you might have a point. but in fact, the only people who seem to believe that prostitutes are having sex with johns because they are enjoying it are the johns themselves. gee, wonder why? go figure.

so use occam's razor, sunset: who's more likely being lied to here? all the people who are researching this and the vast majority of pros who've written about it? or the john who is paying for that very fantasy to be told to him?

now, i have never said that there aren't pros out there who occasionally cum with a client, or even that there might be the rare one who really, really enjoys sex with anyone who comes along. but it certainly ain't "25% of the prostitutes in brazil", as jaime seems to want to believe. in fact, with years of work in this field and hundreds of interviews with pros, i personally have never met a pro who routinely enjoys sex with johns. i'm open-minded enough to believe that they exist, but listening to a story like jaime's, if i had to bet, i'd bet that jaime's simply believing what he wants to believe - what he is, in fact, paying to be allowed to believe - following the cues of a reasonably competent actress.

and there's nothing at all wrong with that. you can enjoy wrestling all you want. but please... don't tell me wrestling is real and then get upset when i laugh. there's nothing wrong with watching an exciting work of fiction on the silver screen. but again, don't tell folks that the characters and situations in it are real unless you want people looking at you as if you were a moron.

Sperto

09-24-05, 17:39

A great mant guys post some great sh*t
I can't imagine that includes you.

I like some of Macunaima's postings, but yes he does ramble.
Luckily you don't like to ramble.

I'm probably the cheapest sh*t head in this place.
I'm sure everybody can agree on that.

Liucio

09-24-05, 18:13

I still got love 4 U dawg

Sunset

09-24-05, 21:47

Now you've ruined wrestling too!

Jack T

09-25-05, 00:48

i'm been reading this board for several years, but since i haven't been to brasil in over three years, i rarely post.

i've seen mac post on other boards and i agree that he is smart and can provide valuable information and insight. however, it is probably the attitude showcased in his writing that turns off a lot of people. it often seems that because he is an expert on mongering (meaning he's interviewed hundreds of pros, done research, read books, etc.) he tends to "talk down" to mongers (whether he realizes it or not).

if you notice, he routinely mentions that he's "never paid for it" as if to say he's better than those who do. he also seems to have a preconceived notion that there is one type of monger (one who can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality, gets off on treating the gdp like shit, is power-hungry, can't get sex any other way, etc.).

in all fairness, there are some posters who write some dumb shit and leave themselves open to attack. and mac has a right to his opinions.

still, going back to the fact that mac has never been with a pro, yet professes to know so much about mongering, can be annoying. he hasn't experienced firsthand everything that comes with mongering. the nervousness and excitement of going to a new terma or picking up a garota at help and bringing her back to your place. of having to deal with deals gone sour, the threat of all kinds of shit going down (jealousy, deception, petty arguments, set ups, etc.). he hasn't dealt with what goes through your mind and emotions about what you're doing (some mongers might be religious, the thought of catching a disease is always there, etc.). in other words, there is some "research" he hasn't yet done.

this is not meant to be a "bash mac" post. you can learn from the guy. (he seems to know a lot about brasil in general and you should have basic knowledge of any country you visit).

and now, so i can contribute at least a little bit, i'll try to throw something out there for newbies traveling to rio for the first time.

in no particular order:

travel with a like-minded monger friend

if it's your first time, you're gonna want back up. someone to literally watch your back and just to talk to. plus, you can split the cost of apt., cab, etc. but make sure he's into mongering too.

don't ever go with the first garota that approaches you

generally speaking, this is never a good idea. most of the time, the aggressive girl is a disappointment. if you cave in easily to her, she seems to feel like she's got a sucker and will flip the script on you when you are alone. the only time it's less of a risk is in termas.

bring your own condoms (keep them in your pocket)

you've probably heard this before, but the rubbers made in brasil aren't necessarily the best. bring more than you think you'll need to be safe (in more ways than one).

watch porn shot in brasil

this is optional, of course, but don't be surprised to know that some of the gdps that are around have done adult films. this might give you a "sneak peek" into the program.

the best-looking girl isn't always the best

for some reason(s) the hottest chick you see ain't always the greatest in bed. when you get older, you realize the girls with average faces and killer bodies are usually better in the sack. of course, there are incredibly hot chicks in brasil that get down and represent very very well. just pay attention to see if you got the real deal.

the non-pro topic

very popular question: "how do i hook up with non-pros?" like it's been said a million times, if you don't speak some portuguese, you're really limited (not entirely impossible, but you're really gonna have to expend a lot of energy). but really think about this for a second. no disrespect meant, but if you're a dude who has trouble getting girls where you normally live, it's not realistic to think that you're gonna go to another country and just because you're a foreigner are gonna instantly turn into an automatic (non-pro) chick magnet without putting in some work.

thank you to everybody that has posted useful info.

Veterano

09-25-05, 01:06

I like Macunamia's comment ~ if you pay double they are much more apt to cum!

If you like making the girls cum ~ they do once in a while ~ try the pocket rocket

Having said that, I hate contradicting Sr Macinaima ~ the second coming of Dr. Ruth?

Suerte, Veterano

Perkele

09-25-05, 05:40

Honestly guys, do you pay for sex?

I usually pay them so they leave in the morning.

P

It Travel

09-25-05, 08:05

Daer Firends,
I'll soon be in Brasil and I've been reading lots of reports and Internet ads, but I would like to understand what Completa - Completinha means. Have these words something to do with BBBJ - CIM - Anal and so on ?

Thanks for help!

IT

Doc Bill

09-25-05, 08:06

Thank you Jack T, for bringing the topic back to what this forum is all about! Your comments are useful and helpful, and I will add one more thing to what you have said, which Jackson once told me and I've since learned for myself: That is, there is absolutely no correlation between cost and quality. I've been with very expensive girls who were like dead fish and very cheap ones who rocked my world (and vice versa).

I'll be back in Rio Oct. 20 and will, as usual, post my experiences. If anyone else is gonna be there at that time and wants to hook up give me a holler.

Lover Boy #2

09-25-05, 10:34

Question Completa - Completinha

Daer Firends,
I'll soon be in Brasil and I've been reading lots of reports and Internet ads, but I would like to understand what Completa - Completinha means. Have these words something to do with BBBJ - CIM - Anal and so on

I hope this helps;

Completa means that she does everything completely.....the sub-text is that she does anal.

The feminine version of the same word means that she is a person who does the act completely.....the sub-text is that she is a female person who does anal.

Be a nice guy with good hygeine and every girl will do BBBJ and CIM.

It Travel

09-25-05, 10:46

Thanks Lover Boy

I was thinking so but I was not really sure. So you say nearly all do BBBJ and CIM, and what about COF?

By the way I'll be in Rio (90% not really complete sure) on the 22-23 OCT weekend. Some mongers there for a beer?

Let me know.

IT

By the way if somebody needs infos on Russian Internt scene I'll be happy to help.

Lover Boy #2

09-25-05, 11:00

Mac said "It's not necessary to pay to have sex in Brazil, unless pay-for-play is what gets you hot (frankly, it doesn't do it for me)..."

Also "I'm not a john and never have been, though I personally have nothing at all against johns. I'm not on this site to get monger info: I'm here to contribute what I know about the scene from a different perspective than is usually expressed here".

I have kept quiet on the issue of "Mac", but feel the quiet must end.

Mac, the harsh reality is that your opinion really means very little to the guys on this board because your reason for being here is maybe wrong at it's inception.

This is the most salient point;

"Still, going back to the fact that Mac has never been with a pro, yet professes to know so much about mongering, can be annoying. He hasn't experienced firsthand everything that comes with mongering. The nervousness and excitement of going to a new terma or picking up a garota at Help and bringing her back to your place. Of having to deal with deals gone sour, the threat of all kinds of shit going down (jealousy, deception, petty arguments, set ups, etc.). He hasn't dealt with what goes through your mind and emotions....."

Jack said it best. Mac, you have a very limited view and really have little understanding of the guys here. The arguments all start because of this one point. It takes one to know one and you are not one (a monger). This is a forum of mongers. Your knowledge of Rio is impressive, but I can get this information from my friends who I have a beer with after the terma.

Maybe you should start your own forum devoted to the rights of Brasilian prostitutes and the ideas/ideals of Davida? In that way, the guys who want to talk about that can go to your site and discuss the rights issues. For the most part, the guys here want to know what is going on, where the hot ladies are and who is doing the best anal. This seems to be opposed at it's base to the ideals of Davida. You are only cheapening yourself by your association with us (and causing more arguments than it is worth)....for the human rights issues are not what the guys here are interested in. The guys here do not want to stomp on anyone's rights, nor do anything illegal involving the women that Davida represents, but the rights issues are not the thrust of our interests. That is why there are these constant barages of bickering, which are taking up a lot of space and you are spending too much time defending yourself. Just my thoughts as one who has not entered this arena in the past.

Lover Boy #2

09-25-05, 11:10

I was thinking so but I was not really sure. So you say nearly all do BBBJ and CIM, and what about COF?

From my own personal experience, I have never had any Brasil girl reject BBBJ or CIM. Let me add that I approach everything with a sense of humor and try to have a good time. I also speak Brasil Portuguese fairly well, so there is some comedy before I bust a load in the girl's mouth. This helps, I believe. I am also a guy who is well showered, with no questionable marks on my body.....so the girls are a bit at ease. There are variables with these noted issues that can turn a girl off.....hence the result would be that maybe some girls do not want to do this. I think you realize what I mean. As far as COF goes, I have been asked to direct the load away from the girl's hair and sometimes their eyes. It seems to me that the girls in Brasil are the most friendly and if you act like a good guy they want to make you happy. I must add however that I do not pick up girls on the street, nor have I used the "Help" venue. The experience I describe is solely with terma girls, escort girls and private girls.

Mangera

09-25-05, 12:52

Jack T,

I also have been reading many posts for the last year or so, I have been to Rio a few times myself, you make a good point, the attitude comes across with negative vibes.

Carrib

09-25-05, 15:47

Trying to change the subject once again..

Hello everyone, this is Natasha. For those of you who frequent MP and Help she can be found most days around MP. I dont think she does Help as much as she has a son to go home to. This woman will can go all night long and is not for the faint of heart. I met Natasha about 2 years ago when she was working at MC. It was Carnaval time in Rio, didnt think much of her then as I was more preoccupied with the other girls with larger bundas. On the last night of carnival, I went to help with one of my buddies. This is a guy I went to elementary school with and I hadnt seen him in years and we meet up in Rio years later!!...

anyhow back to the story..we were in Help having a good time at one of the tables, girls were passing through--Natasha sees me and starts a conversation..I am still not convinced so I buy her a drink to get rid of her---she then proceeded to DFK me and grabs my crotch, then tongue in my ear with multiple repeats whispers of "gotoso"..this goes on for about 30-45 mins until I cant take any more. Off we go to the apt..she showers up and comes back...all I can say is WOW!!!!!!!..this woman is a sexual dynamo and loves to get drilled! during the session she will grab your butt and heave her hips to meet you midstroke. I flipped her over for some doggy action, I pulled her hair and was spanking away as hard as I could and she was asking for more, I started to get tired so I switched back to missionary with her matching me stroke for stroke.We fuck almost non-stop for hours till day break and then collaspe, we were both exhausted.

After some sleep, we both wake up and go at it again for about 30-45 mins. she then gets up and gets dressed leaves. I meet her a MC the next day and feeling bad I give her 60 USD she looks at me perplexed and give me a kiss. There arent many women in Rio that can match my stamina(especially when enduced with cialis and Acai) Natasha is the only one and till this day I will not let her ride me. So proceed with caution...LOL. I have stopped dealing with her as she no longer works at MC and only frequents MP but she is a great fuck and you will not be disappointed.

Moral of the story is that some of these women will get horny. Still, treat these women with respect..and u will be rewarded ten fold--make them forget that they are a prostitute and they will make u forget that u are paying for it---some of them will fuck you for FREE!..still dont take advantage of it and dont get taken.

Carrib

09-25-05, 16:57

These should prob go in the Photos section, but what the heck--we need a change of scenery here....PICs number one and two are examples of chics asking for R300 plus..and who end up taking less. Pic number three..can't remember so dont shoot me.

Pic number 1--met her one night in front of Help while shooting the shit with a friend---we decide to get two women for a little festinah..sitting at the tables and I notice her and wave her over. Small talk a little and she has a drink--where are you from? how long are you in Rio..blah, blah....it was still early but my buddy chooses some avg looking girl that I have no interest in sleeping with--his girl happily accepts 150 TLN--great! DGP will not budge and demands R300..Hell no!! my caipirinah buzz is now gone and hard negotiations start..she finally accepts 200 TLN, and off we go. On the way, i am thinking this is going to be a bad night with all the hassle of the negotiations--we get in to one apt at first and chat --again my buddy's choice is not my thing so I take DGP back to my apt and we go at it--BBBJ, all positions--didnt ask for anal. We wake up in the morning and go at it again..she tells me how much fun she had and I mildly protest about the hassle she gives me the night b4--all is well she stays till 12pm and then leaves. Makes me promise not to tell anyone that she accepted less then 300R...yeah right. This was a good experience....

PIC2-modelchic--this was in roughly 3 years ago, when I was in HELP with a couple of friends from the UK and were acting a fool (so don't flame me!!) We had three tables--downed untold bottles of champagne (bad idea!!) . I notice this skinny TALL babe dancing in front of me and looking back..I wave her over and neg start..she sees tables, champagne---she asks for 100 USD back then that was 350-370reals--I say no way, then she starts pleading, "u are a gringo, u have the money"..back and forth and we finally agree to 250 reals--yes 250 reals..and I lived to regret it--back in the apt she sucked in bed and gave a subpar performance---she kept complaining about her hair, and host of other stuff...of course I just kept plowing--I wanted a model chic and I got one..high maintenance and attitude to boot--she left around 7am and tried to give me her number--I threw it out.

Moral of this story--Buddies and I wanted to act like sports stars in the VIP and got what we deserved: overpriced garotas who didnt perform--BUT it was an experience! One of them was celebrating his B-day--our little stay in Help that night cost around $350 USD..try that in south beach, Paris or London..LOL

GDP2--from the archives--dont remember much of her..

Perkele

09-25-05, 17:42

A girl said to you that you are a GRINGO? And still you went with her?

Guys, Gringo is a word no-one should accept in Brasil. Its utter disrespect and if a girl calls you Gringo just boot her. Actually you should bitchslap her. Never accept disrespect!

P

Macunaima

09-25-05, 18:41

jack observes:
"if you notice, he routinely mentions that he's "never paid for it" as if to say he's better than those who do."

jack, if you'll look at where i say that, you'll quickly see that it's only in response to people like exec who seem to think that i'm out mongering about on the university's research dime. i bring it up in response to the charges that i sleep with my interviewees and i bring it up as a point of fact. and i also point out, non-stop, that i have nothing against mongers. so based on what, exactly, do you claim that this innocuous comment reveals a "secret" hatred of mine? it seems to me that you're involved in a bit of paranoia here, my man: looking for "hidden" motives when my real motives are out there for anyone to see.

if i hated mongers, jack, i wouldn't be bothering to write here. instead, i'd be informing for the pf. and i certainly wouldn't be calling attention to my existence if i were doing that.

one thing that amazes me is how often guys here presume that this board is some sort of private club. the fact of the matter is, i personally know 5 other researchers here in brazil alone who use the isg to dig up dirt on mongering. they never appear here, or engage in discussion with you guys, but they use what you say all the time in government reports and magazine articles on "the great sexual tourism threat". as far as i know, i'm the only researcher in this area who does what everyone in the biz claims to be simple "ethics": engaging in discussion with the target population and clearly showing and telling them what i'm doing.

there's an entire academic and government industry out there dedicated to pinning you guys down to boards and dissecting you in the name of "protecting our women and children from sexual traffickers and ****s". as far as i know, here in brazil, the study nucleus i work with is the only one saying "hey! wait a minute! based on what empirical data can you say that these guys are a threat, exactly? they aren't doing anything illegal".

given all the above, i'd say you're better off worrying about who's lurking on this board and using the stuff that gets posted here to paint all mongers and any gringo who ever engaged the services of a prostitute as a clear and present danger to brazil. when i can go to almost any conference sponsored by the ministério da justiça and find some boffin from the polícia federal using screenshots from the isg in his powerpoint presentation, then i think we can safely conclude that your "private" discussions are anything but private. what goes on here is not secret: it's pretty damned tranparent, given the ammount of finely detailed "reports" this sites habitues tend to post.

the only differences between me and the other brazilian researchers who use this site is that 1) i don't think that mongers are a threat to humanity or morality and 2) i talk back to you, which is what, theoretically every anthropologist is ethically supposed to do. (mas que ninguém faz, neh gente? um grande "alô" aos pesquisadores da cecria que, aparentemente, esqueceram todas suas lições sobre a ética na pesquisa...)

now, you bring up a reasonable point, jack, which is: "still, going back to the fact that mac has never been with a pro, yet professes to know so much about mongering, can be annoying. he hasn't experienced firsthand everything that comes with mongering."

however, a better question is what could i possibly learn from the experience that would be so earthshaking and absolutely unlearnable in any other way? one doesn't need to be a native to study natives, jack. hell, everyone of you gringos on this board is just chock full to the brim with theories about brazil and brazilians, but seeing as how you aren't brazilians, does this mean that all your ideas and observation about the country are full of shit?

what do you think i could learn about prostitution from paying for sex, jack, that absolutely can't be learned in any other way? now if you can show me what that thing is, then you may have a point. otherwise, you're just engaging in cheap sophistry of the kind that says "no one can understand me without being 100 percent exactly like me".

furthermore, jack, neither i nor you are a prostitute. yet every single man on this forum has tons of theories about pros, correct? i'm being attacked by folks like exec and bubba not because i "dare" to theoretize about something i've never experienced personally. they do the exact same thing when they make or support comments like "brazilian prostitutes routinely have orgasms with clients". the problem here is that my theories about what's going on are different from theirs.

so please don't get on this kick about how all knowledge is subjective and can only be learned by experience when you know that's damned well not the case. if it were, every man on this forum would have to go out and hustle his own ass before he could say anything of substance about prostitutes.

perkele sez:
"i usually pay them so they leave in the morning."

which is probably the only logic which could ever even conceivably tempt me into having paid sex with a pro. but then again, that's what motels are for, innit? :-) (that's called "humor", for the folks from cecria who are surely watching this exchange with interest.)

loverboy #2 sez:
"for the most part, the guys here want to know what is going on, where the hot ladies are and who is doing the best anal. this seems to be opposed at it's base to the ideals of davida."

how so, loverboy? first of all, i'm not an official rep of davida, i just work with them from time to time. as for the "ideals" of davida, as far as i understand them, these basically embrace the legalization of prostitution, safer sex, and the end of police harassment of johns and pros. gee, that's some real high-minded stuff which really needs its own soap-box, neh? and totally different from the views of most of the guys here, of course... as far as i know, davida has never said word one about how sex should be or what it should cost, who's hot and who's not, so i really can't see how that group's ideals are "opposed at its base" to the ideals of most of the gentlemen posting here. davida's beef isn't "human rights" so much as it's workers' and consumers' rights. maybe you should take a look at what the group says on their website rather than assuming that they are something they are not?

as for "space", again, this is a virtual forum. there's hardly any space to take up. and i think the pov that i express is just as important an addition to this site as the endless (and i do mean endless) "reports" which basically repeat the same damned info over and over again. i've read through close to 2000 reports on this site and others, lb, and believe me, the basics simply do not change. so do what i do when i come on yet another long-winded post about a topic that i, personally, have no interest in: just scroll on past.

note, btw, that all this started because i "dared" to make one very innocuous comment here: rio pros do not, as a rule, cum when they are with their clients, but they do put on a very fine show. that very simple point has been drawn out into this back-and-forth not because i'm pumping davida or preaching but because guys like bubba and exec got their nose out of joint that anyone could possibly contradict their favorite fantasy. everything i've written since then has been a direct response to other people's posts - including yours.

so in other words, if it's your goal to cut down on what you consider to be useless bickering, why are you tossing more wood on the fire, loverboy? furthermore, maybe you should talk to exec, bubba and the like. none of this would have even begun without their rather rude and personal attacks regarding my post.

Macunaima

09-25-05, 18:44

Perk sez:
"Guys, Gringo is a word no-one should accept in Brasil. Its utter disrespect and if a girl calls you Gringo just boot her. Actually you should bitchslap her. Never accept disrespect!"

Perk, I beg to differ. Brazil is not Mexico and "gringo" - unless it's coupled with an adjective like "maldito" or "Filho da puta" - is not an insult. It simply means "foreigner" and Brazilians use it for pretty much everyone who has not been born here.

So if you slap someone for saying it, you're just going to cause a fight for no reason at all. Saying a foreigner is a "gringo" here in Rio is like calling a Brazilian a "latino" in the States. No insult implied, so none should be taken.

Jaimito Cartero

09-25-05, 19:45

Which did you prefer the garotas of HELP or the ecorts?

Scort Models or Karla by a wide margin.

Member #4156

09-25-05, 20:23

Carrib

I'm loving your stories man. Please keep it up.

Que Ladilla

09-25-05, 20:25

Macunaima is right, there's nothing negative about "Gringo" in Brazil or elsewhere in South America. In fact, I've heard it used affectionately, just like "gordo." Don't be offended!

Liucio

09-25-05, 23:20

What's your opinion on HELP and the garotas that frequent the establishment?

Jaimito Cartero

09-25-05, 23:39

What's your opinion on HELP and the garotas that frequent the establishment?

While there are many nice looking women there, the money they ask, and performance they deliver (I have very limited knowledge on this, honestly) aren´t anything special.

$130R for 2 hours with a Scort model. Or $20R entry, $10R drinks, $5R taxi, $150-$200 for the chica, and you have a much higher shot of not getting what you want.

Carrib

09-26-05, 00:48

Brazilian government lurkers on this board---who gives a fuck? The only mongers that they will succeed in harassing are the stupid loud mouth idiots who roam “the strip”. Brazil is a rich country where 1-5% of the population controls 90% of the wealth. For the past several years we hear how well the Brazilian economy has been doing, the Real is gaining on the dollar, but most of this economic boom has not trickled down to the average Brazilian—so pretty lower class girls sometimes have to prostitute themselves to survive and foreigners come to Rio to fuck these beautiful women. Instead of addressing the societal ills that plague the citizens of Brazil, these government bureaucrats prefer to waste their time chasing a few stupid foreigners while they continue lining their pockets with public funds.

Are we a threat? Economically speaking sexual tourism doesn’t even register in the Brazilian GNP. Brazil for its part hardly spends a dime promoting tourism. The real issue here is socio-economics, the idiosyncrasies of the class structure in Brazil and how SOME foreigners fuck it up. Throw in some old fashion racism and paranoia and there u have it. With the upcoming election season where actual issues such as: Hunger, poverty, and economic disparity are never discussed, everyone with some stake in the pot needs to show something they’ve done, soooooooo…lets Blame our plight on the GRINGOS!! Studies are done, articles written and sting operations are launched to catch these gringos that are prostituting their women. I wonder if these so called researchers ever spend time on the Brazilian boards like www.GPguia.net, and www.hotside.com.br. Probably not..guys BE CAREFUL as they are salivating to get another headline—AMERICANS ARRESTED IN RIO…so the press can go into another feeding frenzy. Since everyone doing case studies these days—I thought I would put together a few of my own.

Case study 1- Pretty favela/low class girl just turned 19 and needs a job to feed her child. She goes and applies for a job, if she is a morena or lighter she may get it—job ranges from housekeeper to secretary/receptionist. The 200-300 reals a month she earns is not enough so she starts prostituting herself and also sleeps with her boss in hopes of gaining his favor to better her status. Her Brazilian johns including her boss treat her like shit until she discovers the gringo scene of Copa. These guys fawn over her beauty and our favela girl now commands 200-300 reals per session. She quits her job and no longer accepts the 50-100 reals from her Brazilian johns. She is now able to afford an apartment in Copacabana, eats at expensive restaurants and lives better than her boss. She now has a passport and travels to Europe in the off-season and makes even more money. Our girl also has a rich gringo boyfriend who flies her to Europe for the summer. This girl is currently out of reach of most Brazilian men.

Case study 2- Good Brazilian girl lives with her boyfriend. She is a beautiful university graduate and works at a firm. She is in love and they have plans to get married. Our girl is quite intelligent and fights hard to stay away from the seedy nightlife of Copa. The couple struggles for months to get things together but she realizes that her boyfriend has been cheating on her—she blows up in a fit of rage and huge fight ensues, boyfriend gets mad and kicks her out. Our girl, not having the money to support herself and unwilling to be a burden to her family, starts working at Centaurus. After few years, she is still hooked on the life—she now lives in an upscale apt in Ipanema and is a private escort catering to mostly foreign clients. Her family still doesn’t know her true trade.

Case study 3-This girl is from Cabo Frio and is unable to find a job. She decides to go to Rio and starts working at a Termas. She is stunningly beautiful and quickly discovers that she has a way with men. She becomes one of the top earners of the termas but is still ashamed of her profession. She now has a car and a beautiful apt in Leme. She also builds a home in Cabo. As the years pass, she becomes more ingrained in the life as she is now making porno films. Brazilian only at first but now she is making American porno films as she gets paid much more.

I can go on and these are the success stories. there are some sad ones as well. I would like thank the native brazilian mongers for mistreating their regular women and the sex workers thereby creating the gringo market. Lastly, is this a private club? no---but it is a membership club--for those of us that travel the globe in search of lovely bundas to sleep with and live our fantasies and we frown on non-members who try and lecture us in a condescending manner. Brazil is only ONE country in SA....

Carrib out

Perkele

09-26-05, 01:44

I still have to disagree with you. Gringo is a word that can be related to another word that starts with N. Not to mention if some of our darker friends are called "BOY".

There is a limit how much we should accept disrespect and this is where I draw the line. I don't care if girl is the most beautiful and intelligent etc. but if I find out that she calls or has called me a GRINGO -> FUCK OFF *****!

Same goes with my friends, if they seriously insult me by using this word.....

P

Macunaima

09-26-05, 02:53

Perk, "gringo" was in dictionaries in Spain and Portugal in the 18th century and all it means - and all it has ever meant, in Brazil at least - is "funny-speaking foreign person".

I realize that the Mexicans have turned it into something different, but Brazilians aren't Mexicans, so punching a Brazilian out for a Mexican incult isn't going to help anyone - let alone you.

I'm sending you a link to a reasonably informed article about the word's meaning. Check it out and let my know what you think.

Macunaima

09-26-05, 03:07

Carrib, you'll notice I didn't claim that these guys were necessarily a threat. What I DID say is that this board is hardly a private forum. N'tendeu?

As for their targets of harassment, they've not been concentrating on "stupid loud mouth idiots who roam 'the strip'”: they've been concentrating on people who they know they can bust with no repercussions, whether or not these guys are loud mouthed idiots. It's more "exemplary cases" than general harassment, at least in Rio so far, but the fact of the matter is that these guys are pulling in cash and mobilizing resources to go after folks like you. I don't think you need to be paranoid about it, but forewarned is forearmed.

As for your evaluation of these guys as stupid corrupt bureaucrats, I might happen to agree. That, however, is neither here nor there as stupid or not, corrupt or not, their little morality crusade is beginning to resonate with the povão. And they love it PRECISELY BECAUSE it keeps people from asking the difficult questions, such as "Is this kind of bullshit really what we should be spending public resources on?" It gives João Blow a cheap feeling of nationalist righteousness when he reads in his morning paper that 29 Americans were busted for sexual tourism on a boat in Guanabara Bay. Makes him feel all puffy and proud about his country without anything substantial having changed at all. And that, of course, is just what those corrupt bureaucratic types you're on about love to see.

These guys aren't doing what they're doing because you are a threat: they are doing what they are doing because guys like you are a convenient SCAPEGOAT.

"I wonder if these so called researchers ever spend time on the Brazilian boards like www.GPguia.net, and www.hotside.com.br?"

Yep. They are engaged in mapping the monger universe using the internet. It's great. It gives them lots of juicy stats which they can play around with to their hearts' content when it comes time to beg for funding. And one of the sources they are begging from is your very own born-again Christian owned-and-operated USAID.

"we frown on non-members who try and lecture us in a condescending manner"

Of course, no one - especially not you, Carib - has been doing that to me, have they?

Show me one place where I've insulted you or any one else on this board Carib, because I can show you about ten insults directed against me in the last two weeks or so. And hey, I'm not the guy who's whining about being "mistreated and talked down to", am I?

Some pretty thin skins here on people who like to feel that they are above caring for what others think about them, I'd say.

Perkele

09-26-05, 04:52

JohnnyBlazze

09-26-05, 05:08

All,
I will be in Rio (Copa) on Tuesday 9-27 to Sat 10-1. If any of my fellow mongers are gonna be there during this time, and wanna meet up for the buddy system (watch each others back, and find the sweetest ladies). Ping a fellow monger.

Johnny B

Trippleecks

09-26-05, 12:36

Perkele, perhaps you prefer the word "ESTRANGEIRO" meaning Foreigner?

Macunaima

09-26-05, 17:00

Perk, whether or not YOU consider the word to be an insult, Brazilians DO NOT.

So if you're going to start slapping people around who use it, sooner or later you're going to run into some serious troubles.

When in Rome, man...

Liucio

09-27-05, 01:21

As for as I am concerned, I inject close to $R7,500 into the Brasilian economy annually.
My money is goes directly to those who are impoverished.

It goes to the single mother who has has no transferable skills to elevate her out of poverty.
It goes to the waiter/waitress that provides me with Class A service. I always tip well. A $R21 dinner, I would tip $R7-8. I mean for Brasilian standards that great.
I goes to that taxi who knows the city and keeps me out of trouble. (I have met many taxi drivers I consider friends.)
It goes to the guy woman that cut my hair. I always tip her well, I have been trying to get in her thong for yrs.

It goes to the woman at the Lavederia, that handles my dirty t-shirts and sheets.
It goes to the bus driver that gets me to my destination driving 90 kilo/hr on f*cked up roads for hrs on end. ( I tipped the driver $R20 to slow down he was taking curves that you couldn't take in a Porsche). Believe me u don't want to b on a over-turned Chinese manufactured bus in Belo Horizonte at 2am on BR110.

It goes to the artist who's painting I buy.
I know guys the visit twice as much as I do and spend 3 times as much as I on each of their visits.
I am cheap considered by this forum standards.

I am integral link in the Brasilian economy, just as the illegal aliens are an integral link in the American economy.

With me there is no trickle down economics.
Lula understands this, just as Bush understands Corporate America needs cheap labor.

Lula should send me a thank you card after each one of my visits, signed personally.

Sal Dali

09-27-05, 02:58

I'm personally greatful to Mac. I was actually beginning to think that all of those Brazilian women were really in love with me and that I was God's answer to sexually starved Carioca women.

Wow, glad that's over.

Whew! Now I can get back to just having a good time.

Sal

Perkele

09-27-05, 03:50

Perkele, perhaps you prefer the word "ESTRANGEIRO" meaning Foreigner?

Of course.

P

RonnyRon

09-27-05, 04:13

I personally enjoyed the exchange between Macunaima & Carrib. I think you both made valid points. Thank you gentlemen.

Mac,

I noticed you never replied regarding the 3 cases Carrib presented. What say you? I also have question for you regarding Termas, Vila Mimosa, Boites and massage parlors, which were all set up many years ago. Long before foreigner (gingos) started visiting Rio in search of the beautiful bunda. I noticed you tend to come down pretty hard on guy who pay vs Brazilian who can by your own admission get it for free. My question is why do all these businesses for pleasure exist, if the Brazil men don't have to pay? In VM 95% of the men are Brazilian. The same is true regarding the termas downtown. What do the women you interview think of the Brazilian mongers they sleep with?

Personally man, I gotta tell you, I just love latin women. I find them to be by far the most passionate women on earth! The best sex I have ever had was with latin women. In or out of Brasil. On another subject. I had dinner last night with two women who are attorneys. One was a divorce attorney. Man was that an enlightening conversion! I will never marry an American born women.

Sal Dali,

I read your post and started LOL! Nothing like a little truth to bring one back to reality.

RonnyRon

Jaimito Cartero

09-27-05, 17:08

I noticed you never replied regarding the 3 cases Carrib presented. What say you? I also have question for you regarding Termas, Vila Mimosa, Boites and massage parlors, which were all set up many years ago. Long before foreigner (gingos) started visiting Rio in search of the beautiful bunda. I noticed you tend to come down pretty hard on guy who pay vs Brazilian who can by your own admission get it for free. My question is why do all these businesses for pleasure exist, if the Brazil men don't have to pay? In VM 95% of the men are Brazilian. The same is true regarding the termas downtown. What do the women you interview think of the Brazilian mongers they sleep with?

It's pretty universal. Young, and or good looking guys can get free pussy pretty easy. Older and or uglier guys have to pay. Maybe a young guy doesn't want the strings of a relationship, or just wants to fuck a girl up the ass, which his girlfriend won't allow. Rich guys may want the best looking girls without suffering hours or dating or worse (marriage).

Many guys may think that the girls love them, but in most cases it's only their wallet they're in love with. If you think you're the greatest lover cause she's moaning and thrashing, then you should hold onto your wallet pretty damn tight.

Jaimito Cartero

09-27-05, 17:11

I learned a long time ago not to take anything too seriously when I'm travelling. If you actually think assaulting someone will get you anywhere, you're in deep shit. Remember that you're a visitor here, and you'll spend a lot of time in jail, or a lot of money staying out.

Remember to take the bike back to the old man you rented from, or he'll come to look for you in your house. :)

Jaimito Cartero

09-27-05, 17:23

I had seen Duda a couple of times from an O Globo ad. The ad read $60R for an hour. Plus $20R for taxi. I had liked the price, but I'm a man of variety. I wanted a massage (trust me, I had a Scortshow girl that morning), but the thought of some more fun didn't upset me too much.

The girl that answered the phone, just gave me the address and said to come over. I thought, great, I could save $20R for the taxi. It was starting to rain again, so I just walked down to Copa to take the bus over.

It's fairly far from the main Copa area. I think about a dozen blocks from Copa/Bolivar.

It's a apartment, and you have to go into the service entrance to go in. I believe this is the girls (Monica, I think her name was). I go in and this decent looking chica answers the door. About 5" 1', in skimpy attire. She told me there was one other chica working, so I wanted to see her. It was Duda though, so I gave her a kiss, and then went with Monica.

She asked for $80R, which was confusing, since I thought it was going to be $60R. I don't know if this was just an upsell, or a bit of a ripoff.

She gave me a massage for about 45 minutes, and then started with a HJ. I asked for a BBBJ, and she complied, but it was moderate at best. I was going to DATY, but she had some horrible tasting lube there, so no thanks.

Monica had some tattoos, and a eyebrow and tongue piercings. She looks nicer than Duda, but service was nothing special. Just as she's getting going okay on the BBBJ Duda knocks on the door, and she stops. Talk about being pissed. I just let her finish with a HJ, as she seemed to want to go right then.

At $80R, not too much of a bargain in my opinion. Again, I'm not sure what was going on with the pricing. Perhaps Duda was less expensive, or maybe they get $80R whether they come to you or not.

I think the address here is their apartment, so if you want to go, make sure you call first.

Macunaima

09-28-05, 01:49

Ron, I didn't answer Carrib's case studies because what can one say? Yes, those are some pretty typical stories of some of the many reasons why women get involved in prostitution. None of those "case studies" contradicts word one of what I've said here. So...?

'Course, seeing as how I collect these kinds of stories professionally, I have a whole slew of "not so happy case studies" where the girl in question ends up dead, in the hospital, on drugs, or doing blow jobs for 15 reais a crack in flea-bag hotels in Lapa. Prostitution is a risky racket: ask any pro.

Mongers tend to accentuate the positive aspects of prostitution which - as Lucio sez - DOES tend to put cash directly in the hands of women who need it, no go-betweens. The Prohibitionists emphasize the horror stories - the woman sold into sexual slavery and killed in Spain; the 17 year who got AIDS from a client because the condom broke; the woman who got slapped around by a client with a taste for violence... etc. ad nauseaum. All these stories and more occur in the world of the sex trade, too. To claim that it's inevitably a way out of misery is just as naive or dishonest as claiming that it inevitably leads to a woman's moral and physical downfall. Both things occur and many more, too.

Regarding your question about the termas and such...

I think you're misjudging the historical depth of sexual tourism in Rio. There were gringos coming here in droves as early as the 1920s. Lapa was renowned, back then, as a scene filled to the brim with pros and gringos. And in the 19th century, Rio was an obligatory stop for any ship headed to the South Atlantic or Pacific. Back in those days, every other tavern in city center was an English-speaking pub (there were even several gringo riots back then) and one of the most lucrative trades involved slave women rented out as "companions" by their owners to foreigners passing through town.

So there never was a moment when gringos WEREN'T a significant component of this city's sex trade. The current sexual tourism is just a new twist on a very old, old theme. Without gringos, the pay-for-play scene would be much smaller here.

Now as to Brazilian johns... First of all, where have I "come down hard" on foreign johns? I presume that most of you can get free sex at home, correct? Yet you go to pros, too. Same-o, same-o Brazilians. There are as many reasons to monger as there are mongers but my FAVORITE one, which an interviewee gave me, is this: "Why does a guy monger? Well shit, why does a dog lick his balls? Because he can!"

The Brazilians in the scene are there for many of the same reasons men everywhere search for pros: a desire for more sexual partners on their own conditions. They want sex with no complications. They just want to fuck and can't be bothered about chatting up a girl at a party. They want a quickie. NOW. They want to have types of sex that their girlfriends or wives won't provide. They want to have the illusion of control over a sexual partner. They want to be able to send the girl away in the morning without a scene. They went to a party, struck out, and are now horny as hell and it's 4AM and they don't want to go home and jack off. Etc., etc., etc...

But one thing the VAST majority of carioca johns DON'T do is romanticize prostitutes. It's difficult to find a carioca john who thinks that these women really "love" him or even "like" him. And I've yet to find one who thinks he makes them cum. Carioca pros also realize that batting their eyelashes and offering freebies or taking a caroica john back to their apartment to see their family is almost certainly not going to make him one iota more likely to pay her more or set her up with a monthly stipend. Gringos, on the other hand, have been frequently known to sucker up when hit with those kinds of tactics.

As for "latin women"... Well, having fucked a lot of Anglos and Latinos, I'd say it has a lot more to do with the individual in question than anything else. Let me ask you a question, Ron: do you think that BRAZILIAN divorce attorneys make especially passionate lovers? How about the devoutly Catholic (all jokes about Cathloic girls aside)? I really doubt you go with the same kind of women here that you do in the States. How many practicing female Brazilian lawyers do you even know? (And I'm not talking about the girls you meet at the bars who claim to be "studying law" at a fly-by-night outfit like Univercidade or UVA where less than 1 percent of the students actually make it past the bar exams...)

Exec Talent

09-28-05, 02:43

Macunaima,

I am the guy you would want your sister to marry. If you were around you would see me actually listening to her when she talks, opening doors for her, cooking dinner for her and supporting her interests in life. Also, I would never cheat on her and be an excellent father should she have children. You would see me kissing her, holding her hand and letting her know in the smallest ways that she is very special. You would hear me singing her praises and complimenting her in front of others.

Money is great, but the reason some of us are in such demand and valued by Brazilian women is quite simple. We are what you are not.

Exec Talent

09-28-05, 03:33

Macunaima,

Just had a brilliant idea. I am in Rio so let the experiment begin!

You pick the girl.

Here is what I have in mind. Select 5 girls based upon the following criteria.
Excellent personal hygeine
max height - 5' 6"
max weight - 120 lbs
attractive -- cannot look anything like Whoppi Goldberg
small butt - must fit in the palm of an average man's hand (NBA player excluded)

I will select one of the five, pay her a reasonable fee and spend a couple of hours with her. You can interview her after along with a representative of my choosing. You can report the results here.

I love science!

Henry R

09-28-05, 03:50

Macunaima:

You wrote there are several reasons for mongering but the main one is more sexual partners on one's own terms, without having to chat for hours at a party. That is an important reason. But I think an even bigger reason which you left out is looks. The typical monger may get an average or slightly above average looking girl in his hometown, similar in age to him, and have to date her a month or so. (I am not talking about the atypical mongers that write to this board and claim they are doing playboy material at home). A typical monger traveling overseas can get an absolute knockout who is much younger than him. Once he gets used to lots of knockouts, the girls back home are a disappointment. Do not underestimate looks in this discussion.

Lover Boy #2

09-28-05, 06:51

Macu, Exec has quite a fair offer out there. Why not take him up on it?....if nothing else, it will provide a bit of comedy for the guys here...and possibly some empirical science. He is really putting his ass on the line, so to speak.

By the way Mac.....girls lie all the time about orgasm and no orgasm. They especially lie when being paid, because they try to save a little face by saying "he paid me, I'm a prostitute, but I didn't orgasm". It sound "right" for their friends, pimps and scientists. As a scientist you should realize this, it is important for your research that you know this.

I personally think Exec will make his choice orgasm greatly and with bountiful glee!!

Exec Talent

09-28-05, 11:24

Help was especially lame last night. So much so, that I was about to ask the woman in the drink booth if she would be interested in leaving with me. Just then I spy a little dark-haired cutie on the dance floor. She motions for me to join her and being a gentleman, I do. We go upstairs to chat a bit and things are going well. We discussed price and reached agreement. Just then she utters the words I have come to hate more than any others, RED BULL. I said no Red Bull, let's go.

We go back to the apartment (avoiding the Mafia taxis, even in the rain) and chat for about an hour. All during this time we are kissing but not Belgian and certainly not French. She takes a shower and we head to the bedroom. I give her a nice massage and start kissing her all over. She does the flip and I need to grab the snorkel because she is pretty darn wet down there. She has what I will maintain, until my dying day, is an orgasm and I surface to her tongue being thrust down my throat. Then she seems to catch herself as if to say, "I really can't let myself get too into this guy."

So I am thinking, what would this one say if Macunaima asked her? Maybe Macunaima is partially right and it is like the scene from Pretty Woman where Julia Roberts is asked if she kissed him. It is not that the GDP’s do not have orgasms, but to admit it, even to themselves, can lead to nothing good. My research has shown that once a guy gets inside a GDP’s heart and head that they have a hard time marketing their services and performing. I have seen one such girl at a termas who claims to be in love with her boyfriend. She avoids men and I bet when she goes to the room tries to do covered oral and only allows the missionary position in total darkness.

So Macunaima, I am beginning to believe you won’t get a straight answer from a GDP who will be reluctant to admit that a guy has that much control over her. Because, we all know the number one thing a woman wants in life is to find a guy who can really make her come!

Jaimito Cartero

09-28-05, 17:49

Well I'm leaving tomorrow, but wouldn't mind being involved in a cum-a-thon before I leave.

Sadly, I think the ladies like my vibrator more than me. This morning I did a ScortShow girl, and she was pulling my hair out with both hands at the end. However, later one I introduced her to "my little friend", and she was about climbing the wall by the time she was done.

I'll post reports and pics of her, and the other ScortShow model I saw on Monday next week.

Jaimito Cartero

09-28-05, 18:36

I posted some info to correct misinformation by Mac in the Crime and Safety forum about the Rio Film Festival. Gosh, misinformation by Mac? Nah, impossible.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=393242&postcount=458

Basically they're showing the different movies around the city. A few showings are free, but most are in the $7R-13R price range. They have some $2R pics early in the day at Cinelandia. 436 movies in total. It ends on Oct 6th. Some good stuff in there. You can go to a theatre and look at the schedule, and buy a simple version for $1R.

http://2005.festivaldorio.com.br/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?tpl=home&UserActiveTemplate=f_2005_ing

Macunaima

09-29-05, 02:59

Woo doggies! Did I ever misinform people, huh, Jaime? Gosh, a guy could get killed following my info. Good thing you've been so much more accurate in your report.

While there are only 20 (and not 25) theaters participating in this festival, the city has well over 50 movie houses. Furthermore, many of those 20 theaters are running multiple screens. I haven't bothered to count exactly how many films one could see at any given point in the day (I'll leave that up to you with your mania for absolute accountability) but its far more than 20.

Then there are the Lonas Culturais, which add another dozen or so screens. So all told, it's closer to 50 screens than 25.

Furthermore, while the films aren't running precisely 24/7 (midday to midnight is more like it), the festival itself is pretty much a 24 hour event, what with the parties, and the tendas and the palestras and exhibits and etc. Probably some dead time between 4AM and 8AM, but not much if you know where to look.

But you're correct in one thing, sport: the exact count is 436 films not "some 300 or so" as I listed. Good thing you're around to keep me from making these hugely inaccurate, wild claims.

Jaime, do you know what the English phrase "to pick nits" means? LOL.

Liucio

09-29-05, 03:31

Received an e-mail from one of my girls on the ground. Another programa garota has been proposed to by an American . Her name is Magalina and she works at HELP. He met her last year.
The American took her to the Embassy to fill out papers, and of course she told all her programa garota friends.
Magalina is a long time regular at the HELP tables, I met her some years ago.
Was a knock out back then.
If you guys keep marrying these girls they'll b none left.

Macunaima

09-29-05, 03:47

Exec and LB, you guys aren't stupid. Think a bit.

If I am wrong and Exec right, the girl's going to tell me he's the greatest lover that ever lived, correct? But if I am RIGHT and Exec WRONG, she's still going to say the same damned thing because why would she spoil a good relationship with a paying client by saying anything different? That's the name of the game, guys, and one doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out.

So what would we be measuring in this experiment, exactly? Exec's natural charm or the woman's desire to stay on the good side of a reasonably pleasant, paying client? Without a way to distinguish an "aí, que homem bom" motivated by the one and not the other, Exec's experiment is useless.

So what, precisely, is this going to prove?

Now - as I said before and in a PM to Exec - if we can figure out some way of me meeting this girl WITHOUT her associating me with Exec in her mind, then we may have something here. Otherwise (and to answer your question as to why I don't take Exec up on his offer), it's a fucking waste of time.

Now, Exec says:

"Money is great, but the reason some of us are in such demand and valued by Brazilian women is quite simple. We are what you are not."

Oh, really, Exec? Hey, aren't you the guy who just a bit below was complaining that I don't know who you are? And yet here you seem to think you know everything about me. Interesting Exec. So I presume you're saying that I don't support my wife's interests or cook or help out with the house or whatever? What are you? One of Diana Rosses' psychic friends? LOL

Frankly, Exec, most gringos really aren't in demand with most Brazilian women. They are very much in demand with a certain KIND of Brazilian woman, though.

Now HERE'S a proposition for YOU. What say you come up here to Santa Teresa and we go out to the Mineiro or some of the other bars around here? You keep your wallet in your pocket and just go on whatever charm and Portuguese you have and we'll see how well you do. My theory is this: if you do not speak Portuguese and you do not flash cash, you are probably not going to get much play unless we happen to run into one of the few gringo chasers around here - and I know who those women are. 'Course, there ARE quite a few OLDER women in ST who are always on the make and it's very likely that you could get one of those with a bit of effort. There are exceptions to every rule and you may very well get lucky.

So let's put your theory that Brazilian women of all kinds just love American men because you guys are so superior on the line, shall we?

Henry R. sez:
"But I think an even bigger reason which you left out is looks."

Yeah, that's a motivating factor, too, Henry. However, I've seen plenty of mongers here in Rio going with some women who were real Coyote bait. So obviously that's not the only - or even the primary - reason.

LB brings up an interesting point:
"By the way Mac.....girls lie all the time about orgasm and no orgasm."

True, at least about having an orgasm. I've never heard a girl - nor ever heard OF a girl - who'll have an orgasm with a guy and then say she didn't. I suppose it could happen, but it's certainly rare behaivor. But then LB shoots his point right down again by saying...

"They especially lie when being paid, because they try to save a little face by saying "he paid me, I'm a prostitute, but I didn't orgasm". It sound "right" for their friends, pimps and scientists. As a scientist you should realize this, it is important for your research that you know this."

So let me get this straight: you start off with the prospect that all women are liars, then you admit that paying them gives them even more reason to lie and then you turn right around and say that, somehow, this makes the guy who pays them privvy to the truth, LB? Cum again?

First of all, it's not a horrible thing for a pro to cum with a client here. She's not going to be ostracized for it, tied to the whipping post, or kicked out of the bars. There is no "code" which says she can't do it. And there are, indeed, a few pros who have on occasion cum with clients. It ain't 25% of the time - not even 10% of the time - but it does rarely happen and the people openly talk about those very rare times when it DOES happen. So why, exactly, would a pro lie to her friends and colleagues about this? What does she get from it? Cumming with a client isn't something to be ashamed about. Most pros probably wish it would happen more often. But sex isn't just a question of mechanical acts leading to orgasm - especially not for women. She's got to be INTO it, psychologically speaking. And most of the time, they just can't be bothered.

So again, LB, while it may be true that all women lie about this, a pro has a HELL of a lot better reason to lie to her client about it than she does to her friends around the bar after work.

Now, what makes a pro likely to cum? Good question. But as far as I can figure, it has very little to do with the guys technique, how nice he is or how good looking he is. Mostly it has to do with the woman's state of mind.

But I hate to break your bubble once again, LB: the vast majority of times she's moaning and groaning for you, inside her head, she planning her next trick, wondering how she's going to pay next month's rent, or simply looking at the ceiling passing the time.

"My research has shown that once a guy gets inside a GDP’s heart and head that they have a hard time marketing their services and performing."

LOL. Oh yeah. That's why Copa is just FULL of pros pining away for their gringo Papai Noels, isn't it? That's why as soon as these loverboys leave town - or simply stop paying the women - they are back to their seats in Help before the plane leaves Rio's airspace. Guys like you are just knocking 'em out of the business by the busload.

Exec, really, man. You are one ripe banana, you know that? LOL

Stop paying the girls, period, Exec. Put your money where your mouth is: no more "presents", no more shopping sprees, no more expensive nights out. Just go on your own natural charm and her "love" for you and see how long it lasts. Try that experiment out. I reckon by the second presentless week together, you'll suddenly discover the girl you believ you control all of a sudden has to "work nights late" or "take care of a sick relative for a week".

"I have seen one such girl at a termas who claims to be in love with her boyfriend. She avoids men and I bet when she goes to the room tries to do covered oral and only allows the missionary position in total darkness."

I'm sure, Exec. LOL. If he sends her enough cash every month and she knows you know him, then I'm very sure that that's EXACTLY what she wants you to believe.

You really are a romantic, you know? I bet the women get TWICE as much cash off of you as they would off a normal trick, simply because you have this deep urge to believe that you are really CONTROLLING the heart of the woman you are paying to service you. Every pro I've ever met is on the lookout for guys with your particular fetish, Exec, and there's a name for guys like you in every language: Papai Noel; Sugar Daddy... Shit, man, the women even swap stories and tactics about how to get a client to believe that he is their one and only true love. It's not at all hard to do. ESPECIALLY when the guy in question has such an inflated opinion of his attarcativeness to women and love-making skills that he's already halfway to believing that he's God's gift to women anyhow!

"Because, we all know the number one thing a woman wants in life is to find a guy who can really make her come!"

You really, seriously believe that these women are out there turning tricks because they are sex starved, huh? Oh, Exec...

Sal Dali

09-29-05, 05:38

Men,

Is there any chance at all that we could avoid turning this into the Macunaima Show? He's posted some interesting information, but I (and I suspect others) are growing tired of reading his 1000 word missives and his apparent perception that he's intellectually, socially, and morally superior. Really, I get it. I'm an ignorant gringo monger and he is a non-monger expert in all things prostitutive, sexual, and . . . well, damn . . . the list goes on.

Anyway, I'd prefer to move on . . . but that's just me.

If we can't move on, is it possible that the Moderator/Jackson might consider giving him his own section so that we don't have to continue to wade through the drivel if we don't want to?

Thanks!

SD

Exec Talent

09-29-05, 05:45

Macunaima,

You need to check way back when I said I have women staying with me and not asking for anything. I would write a longer post but one such woman is just getting out of the shower now. Another was here all day and night the day before.

Hard for you to take that some of your "hardened" women actually do spend time with us with no money changing hands.

I really am starting to get the picture though. Since you have such a problem scoring with women, you think everyone does. Again, the reason they like us is because we are what you are not.

Perkele

09-29-05, 06:03

I have to agree with ET. Sometimes I've had an urge to ask some guy if I should put his name on my t-shirt, he's sponsoring me anyways....

Just remember, leave your heart at home when you go to Rio. It doesn't belong there.

P

Lover Boy #2

09-29-05, 06:43

I'm going to take Sal Dali's suggestion and give up on this one. Macu, you are an intelligent man and a good debater (and I respect that), but from the bottom of my heart, I believe you have limited experience on the monger side of a prostitution arrangement...hence your opinions will always have that limited view. Peace/out.

Sunset

09-29-05, 14:24

This is the post that all the apartment agents who inhabit this board under multiple handles never wanted to see.

I live in a one bedroom penthouse with a view of Copacabna beach and the top of Sugar Loaf from my varanda. I pay R$1,200 a month. My deposit is two one hundred dollar bills to be returned to me when I leave. I checked out ads for Temporadas in O Globo and Jornal do Brasil but I found my apartment in Balcao.

In Rio, Balcao weekly newspaper has many ads under Imoveis, Temporada. Ads are free to sellers. The newspaper comes out on Saturdays but you can see ads for free on line at balcao.com

Avoid ads that offer more than one apartment as these will be from agents even though they say owner. This might seem to be difficult if you don’t speak Portugues but many of the real owner speak some English. Foreigners are considered excellent tenants compared with Brazilians who normally attempt to avoid paying their rent. Tip: if an ad mentions “fiador” just skip it.

You can set up appointments to see apartments before leaving for Brazil, but expect to spend a few days in a hotel while interviewing the owners.

Jaimito Cartero

09-29-05, 17:28

Well you do seem to be the curator of all knowledge, and don't make any mistakes. Right? All details I got were from the Rio Film Festival Guide. Here's a quote from the english page about locations:

This year the circuit comprises 25 Rio cinemas, eight big screens put up in poorer areas of the city by the mayor's office, a mega screen on Copacabana Beach and the more intimate venues of the cultural institutes Memorial Getúlio Vargas, the Centro Cultural da Justiça Federal, the Instituto Cervantes, the British Council, the Museu do Arte Moderna and the Teatro Carlos Gomes.

If you would bother to look at their website, and spend a few seconds reading instead of spouting off, you'd see the facts and not "your" truth of things.

The films are not $2US as you stated. They are NOT shown 24 hours a day. So gee, yeah, you were half right on at least one thing.

Oh sure, no one is going to die. I put up info on the event about a month ago. However, I find that misinformation is often more hurtful than no information at all.

Woo doggies! Did I ever misinform people, huh, Jaime? Gosh, a guy could get killed following my info. Good thing you've been so much more accurate in your report.

While there are only 20 (and not 25) theaters participating in this festival, the city has well over 50 movie houses. Furthermore, many of those 20 theaters are running multiple screens. I haven't bothered to count exactly how many films one could see at any given point in the day (I'll leave that up to you with your mania for absolute accountability) but its far more than 20.

Then there are the Lonas Culturais, which add another dozen or so screens. So all told, it's closer to 50 screens than 25.

Furthermore, while the films aren't running precisely 24/7 (midday to midnight is more like it), the festival itself is pretty much a 24 hour event, what with the parties, and the tendas and the palestras and exhibits and etc. Probably some dead time between 4AM and 8AM, but not much if you know where to look.

But you're correct in one thing, sport: the exact count is 436 films not "some 300 or so" as I listed. Good thing you're around to keep me from making these hugely inaccurate, wild claims.

Jaime, do you know what the English phrase "to pick nits" means? LOL.

Jaimito Cartero

09-29-05, 17:44

Well, I'm leaving today, and just thought I'd post a note thanking all the people who have helped make my month in Brazil so rewarding.

I've sessioned with a Scortshow garota every day this week. I've come to the conclusion that it's best to just give a description of what you want, rather than picking from the book or website.

I did that the first time, and got Beatriz, and I did it today and got Yasmin. Wow, she was the best of the whole trip. Not the super hot chica like I saw in SP, but a very nice looking 20 year old. I asked for one that kissed, slim and cute, and got all that.

Within 3 minutes of sitting down on the couch, she was on my lap, with my finger in her pussy, and kissing me like I had a million dollars. Two minutes later she was on the floor, and sucking with unbelievable ardor.

She loved having pictures taken, and was by far the most fun I had this trip.

I had seen Priscilla the day before, and while she had very nice service, her face looked like a lunar landscape, and when she wore some ugly glasses, I almost sent her ass back. I do think they must send their girls to cock sucking schools, as I've only had one mediocre one the whole time in this area (Janaina).

Macunaima

09-29-05, 20:16

Jaime, there are about a half-dozen different ways of getting in for half price. I haven't seen a film yet that cost more than 12 reais. Half of that is 6. So, OK, it's not precisely 2 bucks, more like 2.5 bucks. You want to do the precise calculations for the good people out there? Frankly, I can't be bothered.

If these are the roiling "inaccuracies" you're finding in my posts, then may I suggest that you have a fine career ahead of you as a lice picker?

Jamie, we're here on a board whose members ROUTINELY blow 300 reais + in a night's entertainment and you're getting all pissy and whiney because I said films cost 30 cents less than they really do?

And if you'll notice, the post where I mentioned this subject in the first place wasn't meant to be an "informative" post or a guide to Rio: it was simply me rambling on about why I love to live here.

This sort of little nit-fit you seem to be determined to provoke is REALLY FUCKING STUPID, Jaime. I'm sure the other site members are just beyond words in their gratitude for your "corrections". I'm sure they will really impact on their lives.

Acorda p'ra cuspir, rapaz!

El Austriaco

09-29-05, 21:13

I’ve heard this line so many times in discussions about the benefits of “free” vs. paid sex that I thought I’d chime in in the ongoing discussion between Macunaima (who used a slightly modified version in this context) and some fellow mongers. First of all, I have always felt that this cliché was inaccurate, considering that when you hire a GDP, you rent her rather than buy her. Technically speaking, hiring a hooker is really more like a short-term rental agreement. Becoming a regular of your favorite GDPs is more like a time-share. Buying the cow would be marriage. No, let me take that back: marriage would actually be equivalent to making the cow your business partner and agree to divide up all your assets with her in case she decides to leave you for the young bull on the block somewhere down the country road. Unless you make a prenuptial. But that’s way beyond the scope of this post.

So you might say, OK, why rent the cow if you can get the milk for free? Let me say this: while we all know that there’s no free lunch, some people still don’t understand there is also no free milk. Once you understand this basic concept that milk comes at a price any way you look at it, it should also become clear that renting the cow comes with some definite benefits: no constant mooing about a shortage of grass, no emergency trips to the veterinarian for vaccinations for the preexisting bovine offspring, no listening to ongoing stories about the sorry conditions of the family stables back home. Plus, the advantage of being able to chose your flavor of milk (regular, skimmed, fat-free) whenever you want, from whatever pasture you want. Among other benefits such as younger cows, prettier hooves, firmer udder. And as much of it as you want. You have to pay for the milk, anyway, one way or another. Just accept it.

Last year when I was in Rio, in the very beginning, I ran into an American expatriate who told me the following: “In Brazil, you always have enough money to pay for sex. The only question is whether you’re rich enough to have free sex.” Now, after spending a total of five whole months in Brazil overall, living equal periods of time in both Copacabana and in the countryside of Rio de Janeiro state, after spending lots of time with GDPs and a girlfriend, I know that truer words have never been spoken.

But it’s not really the blatant misuse of the word “free” here that bothers me much, or even the fact that the entire cliché is, essentially, pointless – as I have tried to show above. What bothers me much more is that the same free sex. vs. paid sex is being regurgitated by some over and over again in a not so subtle attempt at either presenting themselves as morally superior or more manly, or both. In other words, the underlying message always seems to be “I am morally better than you because I don’t pay for sex” or “I am more of guy than you because I don’t have to pay for it”. Both of these assertions actually fall short for the same reasons that the entire cliché fails – because free sex isn’t really free and might actually be much more expensive than P4P. And since not paying for sex directly does not mean that it is free, I fail to see how someone should be morally superior to someone else for refusing to pay for sex directly. You just pay for it differently. So what? And I also fail to understand why one should be more of man for not choosing to pay for it directly. You wanna wine and dine a non-pro and brag about it because it inflates your ego being able to say that you didn’t “pay” for it? Because it’s the thrill of the chase? Go right ahead, I completely understand. Just don’t tell me its cheaper – because it isn’t (unless your time is worth virtually nothing). And don’t tell me you’re a better person or more of a man than me or anyone else because of it. Or to stick to my terminology: this doesn’t make you a moral cornerstone of bovine society, and you’re not a pure-breed bull because of it. Everything else is just cow puckies.

For me, how I pay for my milk is a matter of choice. I prefer to pay upfront – without hidden, unpredictable (and possibly astronomical) surcharges down the road. No reason you should do the same. But whoever thinks that not paying for sex directly makes him morally superior or more of a stud than those who do lives in a fantasy world, too. Quite possibly in a fantasy world parallel to the one of those that believe that every pro orgasm is real. But that’s the topic for another post.

El Austriaco

Exec Talent

09-29-05, 23:13

What an idiot I am. How could I miss the tell-tale signs of self-proclaimed intellectual superiority and real-life inferiority? Macunaima is an academic.

After receiving what would amount to about 10 printed pages in a private message, it dawned on me -- this guy is probably listing his posts here as publications on his C.V.

Now I have taught at the graduate level, but I was sought out because I actually understand how the real world works. Universities from time to time feel obligated to teach students something useful. Macunaima takes himself way too seriously. Lighten up a little bit. That feeling of a worthless existence is never going to go away.

El Austriaco I think the person who told you “In Brazil, you always have enough money to pay for sex. The only question is whether you’re rich enough to have free sex,” also told it to me. There is a lot of truth to that statement. Today I asked a girl with whom I have been spending some time what she wanted and her answer was to marry me. She is not looking for the daily or weekly paycheck but the lifetime annuity. So much for free.

Macunaima it has been fun, just not that much fun. It has been real, but in your case, just not that real. I enjoy the girls staying with me for free. I enjoy the girls having orgasms, hell; I even enjoy paying them from time to time because I know it makes life a little easier for them. Maybe the person we really need to talk with is your wife. When is the last time she had an orgasm? Oh, never mind, it’s academic.

Macunaima

09-30-05, 21:57

Austriaco, you have a nice theory, but in my experience, it simply doesn't pan out.

Guys here are paying 80-300 reais per sex act. You SERIOUSLY think that that's what it takes to get a woman into bed here? If that was the case, then how, exactly, do Brazilians ever manage to have sex, with 80% of the country making less than 1000 reais per month?

I've been married almost four years now, so I'm no longer cruising singles joints. But back when I was single, it didn't ever cost me 300 - or even 80 - reais to get some sex. And no, it's not been my experience that it's either "pay for play" or solid, mutual monogamous relationships with women you can't stand. Here in Rio, there are plenty of women who're looking for what I'm looking for: a good time with a nice person that maybe - but not DEFINITELY - might possibly bloom into something else.

Outside of the Copa pay-for-play strip and the Ipa gringo chaser bars, you'll find plenty of sexually active women in this town who are not going to bed with men because they are on the make for a husband or wnat to squeeze him for cash. In fact, Rio and SP are incredibly easy cities to get laid in for free.

OK, perhaps not for "free" - but for the cost of a few beers, some chatter and maybe a movie. What, 20 reais? And you might be suprised to know this, but there are also plenty of women in this city who EXPECT to go "halvsies" on dates. They are professionals with decent jobs and they really aren't interested in getting their hands on a man's money any more than you are interested in getting your hands on a woman's. They want something else out of their men and their wants are at least as complex as ours are.

As for your expat friend... Well, given his commentary, I'd lay dollars to donuts that he spends most his time with other English speakers and probably prowls the orla for dates. I happen to know many long-term gringos in this city who work as English teachers, professors, social workers, artists, musicians and what not. Not professions known for their huge cahs flow. These guys don't seem to have any trouble finding folks to sleep with in spite of their lack of cash.

The problem doesn't seem to be cost equivalency, Austiraco, but CONVENIENCE. To return to our metaphor, there is PLENTY of free milk in Rio de Janeiro, but you can't always get it precisely when you want it and you have to let the cow choose you as much as you choose the cow. Reading people's posts here and talking to mongers, I gather that a big part of the thrill of mongering is knowing that you can pretty much have any woman you want who's available in a place like Help, if you're willing to pay the price. That's not the case in a normal singles' bar: the woman has got to want you, too, and you have to present yourself in a way that's going to make her want you.

And as Exec Talent has often pointed out, not all women care that much about money...

Macunaima

09-30-05, 22:14

I've thought long and hard about you, ET, and I've come to the conclusion that you may be right. Those girls aren't with you because you tend to slip large cash "presents" into their coats. They're not wanting to marry you because you obviously have cash and they don't. They're with you because you are such a stand-up, good-looking, charming and sexually wise gentleman.

OK. It's a legitimate hypothesis. Let's check it out, shall we?

I'd like to renew my offer to you to come on out on the town with me one night and show me - in the name of science - just how it is that you work your animal magnetism on these poor beauties. Again, we can go up to ST, over to Lapa, to the Fundação, to Empório, to Scenarium, to the Bolsa, up to the North Zone, across the bay to Niteroi or even hang around Ipanema, Leblon and Gávea. Wherever you feel comfortable. Anywhere but recognized redlight districts and gringo-chaser bars (so anywhere where large quantities of gringos hang is right out).

In order to prove your point, you'll leave all but 100 reais at home (I'll carry a similar ammount of cash, so you don't need to worry about subsidizing my research) and refrain from talking to girls about your three vilas in Italy, your beachside mansion in Thailand and your million-dollar-a-month job as a business consultant in Germany, or whatever. We'll tell the girls, in fact, that you are an academic colleague of mine who works at UERJ and is thinking of moving here long term because you're very deeply in hock over unpaid student loans back in the States.

I'm curious to see you pull them in, ET, on your charm and Portuguese alone. After all, it's not your cash that these women are after, right? According to you, they are just looking for a charming, wise, stable father figure in their lives. So let's put your theory to the test!

What do you say? This is a dead serious offer, ET.

Hell, if you like, we can even start out with you introducing me to one of your latest girlfriends - as you yourself offered - and I will indeed record her telling me about what kind of a guy you are.

As in all anthropological research, your anonimity and that of anyone else I talk to is assured and I'll be willing to back that up with whatever kind of letters of intent and permission, duly signed and stamped by my bosses and myself. I won't even ask your real name but you'll sure as hell know mine.

Full Throttle

09-30-05, 22:30

Rio Bob

10-01-05, 00:36

Have the opportunity to come to Rio, but will arrive Sunday morning and leave Monday night. I'll read, but have to make a quick decision. Are all of the termas open? Help? Beach activity worse?

Thanks!

FT

IMHO Sunday is the best day at the beach, if it's a nice day then it will be packed with the programmas and the non programmas. Not all of the termas will be open but I do believe that Solarium and laumo will be open but you will have to check with the termas experts here. Help will definately be open and in my opinion Sunday night is one of the best nights as it is more low key than Thursday Friday and Saturday but still very good.

Exec Talent

10-01-05, 02:07

Macunaima, we all have heard of people who like to hear themselves speak, well it is obvious that you like to read what you write because I doubt anyone else is. The only good thing about it appearing here is that no trees died from all your incessant ramblings.

You challenge me to come with you and score with non-pros and in another post you state how easy it is to do so. Which is it? Really, who cares which one you think it is.

I posted a report on an escort I saw today in hopes it helps other visitors to Rio make an informed decision. That is the purpose of these forums. If you provided any information that was useful or even close to being accurate, then it might be worthwhile to read through all your self-absorbed posts. However, a number of posters, who long ago established themselves as knowledgeable sources of accurate information, have dismissed your baseless tripe for what it is.

You do not need to respond to this post as I won't be reading it. My suspicion is that your colleagues have your e-mails set up for automatic deletion. (And, you wonder why they never respond).

Incidentally, if I had a terminal disease and only a week to live, I might take you up on your offer to spend a night out with you, as I am sure, with your penchant for senseless verbosity, it would seem like a year.

Java Man

10-01-05, 02:24

Full Thottle:
Termas Monte Carlo, L'uomo and Solarium are open on Sunday. Sunday is swingers nite at Solarium. i believe Monte Carlo and L'uomo close around 11:30P on Sunday. Help opens at 11p and closes around 6a.

Bubba Boy

10-01-05, 11:59

I may be wrong but I don't think Solarium does swingers night anymore. Anybody?

Jaimito Cartero

10-01-05, 14:54

Well I attract problems like flies sometimes. Just my nature. :)

I get to the airport, and head to the Air France lounge upstairs. Small foodstuffs, lots of drinks and one computer with internet. I go downstairs a bit before 1 hour, so I can board with the rest of the cattle.

They then announce that they're having a mechanical issue, and don't know how long it will take. I have a 4 hour layover for my CO flight in Houston, so I'm not too worried yet.

After a few hours, it becomes apparent that we're probably not going anywhere. However, we still wait another 90 minutes before they announce it. They finally come up to the lounge and give us taxi vouchers. The biz class folks get to go to the Sheraton, and coach go to the Sofitel in Copa Cabana.

We have to go downstairs and get our luggage, and then there's a huge line to exit that's moving about one person every 2 minutes. Greattttt.

After 10 minutes, some people make an end run and start leaving through another exit. Finally they say that we can just leave and get on the bus (all the people who were downstairs didn't get vouchers). We get waived through security.

I could have taken the bus as well, but I've been at hotel checkins when 100 people come before, so I figure a taxi will be better.

I'm the first one to the hotel, and the hotel looks okay. It's 11:15pm by now, and the desk lady says that dinner is included, but the restaurant is closing in 15 min.

The restaurant is nice, but pricey. I get the best steak of my trip here. Total meal price about $100R.

They tell everyone that they need to be on the bus by 8:45am, but at the airport by 10:30. I still have my other taxi voucher, so no bus for me. When I get back to the room, someone from Continental calls, and asks if I want to fly the same flight the next day. Normally I wouldn't mind, but I have a business trip scheduled the next day. Since I've had my months vacation, I actually have to work!

A little thought comes into my mind, that I might have an hour or two in the morning for some fun before I leave. Hmmmmm. Scortshow opens at 8:00am. Hmmmm.

CO calls again in the morning, telling me what options I have. They're going to send out the arriving plane right away in the morning, and I just might be able to get my connecting flight to Phoenix if everything goes perfect.

It's 7:30am, and I decide to see if Scortshow is open early. No answer. I head downstairs and eat my free breakfast buffet. The day is beautiful, probably the nicest day in the whole month I was in Brazil.

I get back to the room at little after 8am, and start calling Scortshow. No answer. Wait another 5 min, no answer. Call both numbers, no answer. Finally at 8:15am I get an answer.

I only have $20R on me, so ask if they'll take dollars. They say yes, but give me a crappy exchange. ($70US=$130R). I am horny for Yasmin, so tell them to send her over.

I decide to check downstairs and see what they'll exchange at. They have a really crappy rate ($2.10R=1US), but better than Scort, so I change $60.

I go upstairs and have all my bags ready, as I'll have to jet to the airport at 10am or so.

The front lobby calls and says that Yasmin is there. Great, I think. They then tell me that I'll have to pay THEM $240R to let her come up. I was just astounded. This is an Accor property (same as Mercure, etc), but have *never* heard of such a high charge in my life. I told them I was checking out in an hour, but they wouldn't budge.

I just went down to the lobby, and talked to Yasmin and explained the BS stuff. We went outside and I got some friendly attention. I gave her $50R for her taxi, etc. It was at least nice to see her before I left. She had on a nice, sexy black outfit, so nice eyecandy. Her taxi was still waiting outside, so Scortshow must prepare for stuff like this.

Needless to say, any Accor property is going to be way down on my list of places to stay. I've heard of $10-$30US fees, but $240R is just crazy.

Let me just get this off my chest: Sofitel can lick my big salty balls. This was the biggest robbery attempt I saw in my trip to Brazil. Cocksuckers.

Okay, done with the Sofitel rant. :)

I made it to the airport easily. All 30 passengers got on the plane at 11:45am, and it finally took off about 12:40pm. The back section of the plane (about 100-150 seats) only had 2 people in it! In an amazing run of good luck, we got to Houston 25 minutes before my connecting Phoenix flight left.

Good luck? Sure! I took the 3/4 mile long walk from the airplane gate, through passport control, luggage, customs inspection, interconnecting baggage recheck, security re-inspection (including swabbing my carryon), and 1/2 mile to my gate in 20 minutes. I've never had anything at the airport go so good.

Liucio

10-01-05, 17:59

Have you posted her pic on the PHOTO section?

Bimbo Boy

10-01-05, 19:13

Well I see that Sofitel has increased their barfine: it used to be 150 R$ a couple of years ago. Too bad, it's a nice hotel, but Monger unfriendly.

BB.

[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]

The front lobby calls and says that Yasmin is there. Great, I think. They then tell me that I'll have to pay THEM $240R to let her come up. I was just astounded. This is an Accor property (same as Mercure, etc), but have *never* heard of such a high charge in my life. I told them I was checking out in an hour, but they wouldn't budge.

Needless to say, any Accor property is going to be way down on my list of places to stay. I've heard of $10-$30US fees, but $240R is just crazy.

Let me just get this off my chest: Sofitel can lick my big salty balls. This was the biggest robbery attempt I saw in my trip to Brazil. Cocksuckers.

Bimbo Boy

10-01-05, 19:17

[QUOTE=Macunaima]

Macunaima and Exec Talent: please stop your flame wars: you're ruining the forum. Why don't you argue by PM, or through your own private thread ?

BB

Liucio

10-01-05, 19:28

We R getting many illegals Brasilians here in Miami and Frtldale. The illegal women R being exploited in the shops, and I also read about the huge influx that are ending up in California and Massachusetts. The women here R not of high quality, but I hear good things about the West Coast women.

Jaimito Cartero

10-01-05, 19:32

Have you posted her pic on the PHOTO section?

Not yet. Just got back to the US, and have to work some after my month off. Sometime during the week. She's not stunning, but she's got a certain allure, and superb service.

Here's the link for Scortshow, where you can see the online pic they posted.

http://www.scortshow.com.br/principal.html

Liucio

10-01-05, 21:09

Exec Talent

10-01-05, 21:22

Bimbo,

I agree with you totally which is why in my last post I asked Macunaima not to respond. I also referred to another recent post of mine under escorts and suggested that we focus future posts on the purpose of these forums.

Macunaima is not worth my or anyone else's time. The only Mac subject I will discuss in the future is just how much better Big Macs taste in the US than they do in Copacabana.

Miamisfinest

10-02-05, 00:18

Whats up fellow mongers? I just came back from a trip to Sao Paulo and Rio. I was working in Sao for 7 days and took a side trip to Rio for 2 days. God knows this was not enough. I didnt expect Rio to be so "off the chain". I am planning a trip back in March and would like some info on for example which hotels are suggested and amiga friendly? Does anyone know any travel agencies that offer some good Air/Hotel deals? I found one for $1040 7 days and air in the hotel Orla or something like that. Is this a cool hotel or what? Any feedback would be appreciated.

So back to my Rio experience. First night I went to Help and to my surprise found tons of gustosas(first portuguese word i learned). Im cuban so I can understand some portuguese if they speak it slow enough since is sorta like spanish. So I meet Daniella whose pictures I will attach, she wouldnt do nude unfortunately. She was a 7 on my scale. Very nice breast and a nice big butt. 150r for the night but cbj which sorta killed it. Bathed me and massaged me which was excellent. She even rolled me 2 joints of her own budds. Sex was good and her enthusiasm was great. Really enjoyed it.

I also had some fun in Sao Paulo just dont remember the name of the place. Im thinking something romance and some place that was just 20r for 30mins. I really wasnt prepared for this trip since it was sprung on me real fast. Next time I will be ready. :)

Anyways, enjoy the pictures and please PM me with any info you may want to pass along. I am really looking forward to my next Rio visit after getting a little taste. This time I wont be solo and now I have an idea of how shit works down there.

Bubba Boy

10-02-05, 04:35

I believe the price went up for Terma Monte Carlo.
Entrance R60. (from R50)
Room R60. (from R50)
40 minute shag R130. (from R120)
2 years ago it was R200 or USD66. Now it is R250 or USD115, almost double.

Nice first post Miamisfinest, welcome aboard.

JustGotBack

10-02-05, 05:13

It's so disheartening. Last year I was in Rio and could get taken care of in 4x4 for about $40-$45 with the early bird special. Now I'm thinking it'll cost about $70 if not more. I've just been watching the Real keep rising this last couple of weeks.

It's not just the Termas. Apartments, food, everything is getting really expensive for us Americans. Might have to start going back to Argentina where the Peso is still 3 to 1.

Liucio

10-02-05, 07:17

U have'nt felt anything yet.
There will B another resignation from LULA's cabinet because of corruption within the next coming weeks. And this will send exchange even lower.

On Jan 1 there will B a price increase in commodities, transpot, food, travel, hotel, propery.(All sectors of the Economy)

Prices will increase in all sectors. (I read somewhere between 8-10%, depending on if the Central Bank has reached it's projected inflation target.)

And you & I know that businesses will inflate the price on top on the Government price increase (piggy back tax)

Jan 2 you could see Babarrella's charging $R70 to enter and $18/drink.

Taxis meters will run faster at a higher rate.

To sit in the taxi the new price could be $R4.
A can of skol or Brahma could be $R3.5

The termas will definetly take advantage of a piggy back tax ---> aim at the GRINGO's with the strong dollar.

I predicted earlier this yr in March that by Jan 2 the 1US$=R2.11

I guy from Morgan Stanley says 1US$=R2.18

in 90days we will see
The good days are over

Macunaima

10-03-05, 02:58

...and, frankly, I'm not surprised.

And good on him, too!

After all, one of the nicer things about Copa is that it allows even a mid-level sarariman plenty of room for fantasies. I look forward to seeing Exec Talent's writings someday in the pages of the Penthouse Forum. Until then, I hope he continues to spread cash around the poor, lil' father-figure-desiring dears of Copacabana. After all, they need it more than he does.

Macunaima

10-03-05, 03:14

Here's a song by Chico Buarque regarding everyone's favorite topic. It's from the movie, "Opera do Malandro", which I think many mongers would really get a kick out of and which is generally available in better video rental places in the States.

Las Muchacha de Copacabana

If the client wants a a girl who dances the rumba, we got her
With Bahian flavoring
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana

We have a little Brazilian Cuban
With a Mexican sombrero
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana

Momma, forgive my spelling
This is a little note from your daughter
Who's shining here in the capital
She's an international star
Your girl in the capital
Is an international star

If the gringo wants an Amazon, we got her
Or a Sunday with a Hawaiian
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana

If you want a little sinner, we got her
Or a blond muslim
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana

Momma, I'm sending you some of my earnings this month
A little souvenir from your daughter
Who shines in the capital
She's an international star
Your daughter in the capital
Is an international star

An attraction from Martinique, we got her
Or a chick from Sergipe
We got Jamaican Paraguayans
And Peruvians who play the balalaika
Corcovado in the Mar del Plata, you got it
Waterfalls of bananas
Cannibal Indians, you bet we got them
They're this week's offer
We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana

We are Las Muchachas de Copacabana

JustGotBack

10-03-05, 08:16

I've been to BA a lot. You should definitely go. First, the city is completely different from Rio. BA is a world class city. As nice as many places in Europe and very safe. It's nicer than many places in the US. I'd have to think twice about living in Rio. I'd move to BA in a heartbeat.

As for the ladies. Well. BA's golden age was about 4 years ago. The quality was still stellar and the peso was 4 to one due to the depegging. IMHO the quality now is not what it once was and the price has really sky rocketed, but it's still cheaper than what Rio/SP has become. Most of the great looking girls, who were mostly Brazilian, have gone to Mexico and Europe due to the weak peso. But there are still gems to be found. It depends on what you are looking for. There aren't many blondes or really dark women. Many more Spanish/Italian looking women.

There are clubs like Help, but with a twist. You have to pay the house a "fine" to take them out. These places used to be great, but I steer away now. I refuse to visit any establishment with official "local" versus "gringo" pricing. It's one thing if the girl tries to do it, but it's another if the club will punish the girl if she doesn't do it. The exceptions are the older ones downtown. The quality overall is lower but so are the prices. They are more like bars then dance clubs.

There are no places like Termas in BA. There are some "legit" spa places that you can get FS from as well, but it's not that Terma's atmosphere. There are strip clubs where you can go next door for some private time with the girls. Of course there are escorts and brothels. Check out some of the websites for the escorts.

Definitely check out argentinaprivate split off of this website for more info.

Finally, the steak in Brazil is little better than steaks coming off of a George Foreman grill compared to what you get in Argentina.

Jaimito Cartero

10-03-05, 18:00

Jaimito Cartero

10-03-05, 18:44

Did you visit any other cities other than RIO?
Which escort service had the best garotas as a choice in your opinion?
Have you been to any other South American countries?
If so how would u rank them compared to Rio?

I work near a area that has many Columbian women and I am already planning my new discovery.

Hopefully Columbia is untouched as of yet.

I've mongered in BA, Lima, Sampa and Rio. I've been to Colombia by accident (SJO airport fogged in), but am looking forward to mongering there next year.

If you read my reports (just do a search for my name), you'll see my one short report on a massage place in Sampa. I enjoy BA the most for overall relaxation and fun. (Cost/accomodations/food/entertainment).

I think it's easier for gringos to find a GFE in Lima. Rio is very nice, but the crime is a bit of an issue. I've never had to be so cognizant of my surrounds as I was there.

However, I had no actual thievery, and just a couple of little annoying things. Almost all problems were right along the beach in Copacabana. I found that by going away from the beach (instead of walking along Ave Atlantica), I missed out on most of the panhandlers, scam artists and guys trying to sell me dope.

In general, I do not use agencies, since they just jack up the pricing of the end product. :) However, Scort/Karla in Rio is an exception. The biggest thing to remember is that many of their model pics are retouched. I'll look through the reports here to find which ones people really liked and go on those recommendations.

Sal Dali

10-04-05, 00:58

Have you guys noticed that the Argentinian Peso is exchanging at 2.9? Okay, so I learned Portuguese . . . but I'll start Spanish for an improvement over the 2.20 rate we're getting now.

SD

Jaimito Cartero

10-04-05, 01:08

Have you guys noticed that the Argentinian Peso is exchanging at 2.9? Okay, so I learned Portuguese . . . but I'll start Spanish for an improvement over the 2.20 rate we're getting now.

SD

The AR Peso has been around 3-1 for quite some time now. Certainly for the last 2 1/2 years that I've been going there. However, it's what the money will buy you that is important, not so much the exchange rate.

Jaimito Cartero

10-04-05, 01:11

Finally, the steak in Brazil is little better than steaks coming off of a George Foreman grill compared to what you get in Argentina.

Yeah, the meat in BA will ruin you. If I want better, I have to make it myself.

Bubba Boy

10-04-05, 01:20

It was $220R all in when I went 2 weeks ago or so.

I believe the price went up on Sunday (2nd of Oct). Solarium also put there price up, having the same owners this came as no surprise.

Trippleecks

10-04-05, 13:07

Jaimito Cartero

10-04-05, 17:54

Jaimito Cartero you're correct with the Argentine Peso at 2.9 to the dollar but at the normal rate of 150.pesos for an hour ($103.USD for 2 hours) for escorts, it's still less expensive to go to Rio where they are about 150.reais ($68.USD) for 2 hours..

I pull from clubs in BA, apartments and so forth, so have never paid 150 pesos an hour there in my life. :)

I pay 50-80 pesos per hour for apartment girls that come to my place, or 40-100 for incall ones. My preferred option, is to go to a boliche. I will get 2-3 hours for 120-150 pesos. Sometimes they'll even stay all night.

If you go to the BBQ's at the Mansion in BA, they will often have some chicas that drop by, and the standard price is 100P for an hour.

Here are some pics of a $100P girl that I took earlier this year.

http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=346380&postcount=1

Full Throttle

10-04-05, 18:29

After a long absence, I'm returning to Rio later this month. While excited, I can't believe I picked such a bad economic time!

Anyway, I wonder if members would like to rank the termas? When I was there, I liked the one in the Jardin's area. It was casual and classy as the girls dressed in ordinary out-for-the-night clothes. Monte Carlo was fun, but the girls were just too much in your face, and it felt more like a *****house as they wore bikinis as they gyrated together. Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, but the relative casual atmosphere separates termas from other venues.

So, anybody care to take a stab?

Also, I wonder if someone could give me an economics lesson on how local inflation and governmental shakeups will lead to higher value currency? It seems counter-intuitive.

FT

Exec Talent

10-04-05, 20:31

You always can go to www.termasmontecarlo.com.br under promotions and enter your e-mail. Within minutes you will get a coupon to print out for R$50 off on the room good on Tuesdays only. Hey, it is Tuesday. Damn, already got plans.

BTW it is Tuesday only and I couldn't get them to budge on that even after I had had 6 1-hour sessions a few days before. One of the few things in Rio I have found to be non-negotiable.

Liucio

10-05-05, 13:07

I will explain in a small paragraph in my next post. The rate is being effected by the interest rate, investors, and inflation. Investors are focusing onthe strength of Brasils economy and also on the interest rate the central bank offres them. Will explain in next post.

Full Throttle

10-05-05, 15:28

Here is a list of Termas I have been able to compile.
Recommendations/warnings, etc. might be helpful to many and definitely to me.

Termas Aeroporto Centro Av.Beira Mar, 216 - C
Termas L'Uomo Copacabana Rua Siqueira Campos, 143/ 15
Termas Centaurus Ipanema Rua Caning,
Termas Monte Carlo Copacabana Rua Hilário de Gouveia,
Termas Solarium J. Botânico Rua J.J. Seabra,
Pigalle Recreio Av. das Americas, 15.105
Termas 44 Centro Rua Buenos Aires, 44
Termas Rio Antigo Glória Rua Joaquim Silva, 2
Termas 65 Centro Rua do Rosário, 65

It seems to me that Solarium is the one in the Jardins area, and was my favorite last time. I also recall that Centaurus is the most famous and expensive. Anyway, this board is so active that, sometimes, it is great to get back to the basics.

FT

Bubba Boy

10-05-05, 19:01

Bubba Boy

10-05-05, 19:20

been in rio for about 10 days last week of a 3month stay. as always the quality of each terma goes up and down with each visit. my view and rating out of ten (for wtf that is worth)

centaurus: quality: looks wise is very good. attitude is the same, high pressure sell environment "do you want 2 girls" "do you want a suite" "do you want fries with that". found a few worthy of a repeat though, sex with a repeat is usually much better than a first time deal, more liberties are offered the second time and of course accepted. have to screen the girls heavily here before taking them upstairs. 7/10.

solarium: quality is quite good. much better than 12 months ago when all the girls were aimed more at the local brazilian market, who tend to like a big ass. nice option on the weekend when centro is closed. 7.0/10

monte carlo: basically the same as always, 3 or so attractive girls amongst the run of the mill stuff. one thing i have noticed at monte of late is more cbj's, luckily i have picked this up in the screening process. 6/10.

l'uomo: huge disappointment. once my favourite terma, however quality has been ordinary in my opinion over the last 6 months. they used to have 4 -6 outstandingly attractive girls working each night amongst the normal middle of the road stuff. now the same old middle of the road stuff is there but the hotties aren't. when you are actually in a room the performance is just as good ie outstanding. have left there a few times, horny, without nailing anything. 5/10

quatro por quatro (4x4): outstanding. on previous visits i have struggled to find a girl i like here, predominantly because of the "heavily inked/big assed" theme that runs through the place. however this visit the girls seem a little slimmer and there are also a few girls i know from other places that now work there. my favourite from terma 502 is now there, probably the most attractive girl i have seen work at any terma (20 yr old morena/brunette, tiny body, massive cans, no ink, 100% natural - i won't post her name here but you will notice here when you see her).

place is being renovated a little in the main boite, hence there is some plaster visible on the ceiling, on a day last week the music was playing so hard bits of the new plaster were coming off........ you don't see that in many other places in the world. gangsta chics everywhere.

favourite moment, when asking a gansta body builder type chic what she is like in bed, "eu fiz toda, toda" (porto spelling???). (eng: i do everything, everything!), and she did!

currently imho off the hook. 9/10.

yet to visit rio antigo, aeroporto, t65, t502, but will of course in due time.

help: yes i know it is not a terma but hey wtf.

quality has been surprisingly good. there have been 5-10 super hotties most nights and a few more "well doable" chics. the problem i have with help is the real hotties are such a small percentage of the total gdp population that some newbie usually snaps them up paying well over the odds r300-r500. the expensive girls also tend to be the worst performers here. i can get a favourite terma girl over to my place for the whole night for a fraction of this and she will be 1) equally or more attractive and 2) a much better performer. hence, i usually choose not to partake in helpee girls, it is of course fun to hang there and shoot the breeze with fellow minded sleaze mongers. of course girls one notch down from super hotties but still "well doable" can be had for r175-r225 depending on the time of day, alignment of the stars etc.

the rumours of a close remain, this time it may be for real. the story goes that the spanish consortium, that hold the lease, have faced the inevitable that it will close, hence they are not paying any bills. may is the date apparently. the only chance to remain open looks like someone else buys it.

(muita chuva, fuck has it rained since i have been here!)

Exec Talent

10-05-05, 20:02

Bubba,

I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Everyone knows in Brazil before you get married you have to get the girl pregnant. And, most of the time after they get pregnant the guy bails which is why they need us to support them.

Have to disagree with 4x4 but maybe I caught it on a bad night. The only girl I could find worth doing was terrible in the room which had so little privacy I thought people in the hall were going to join us at any moment. Also, so many guys who obviously are there just taking up room. No chance that they will actually take a girl to a room. However, they do make it nearly impossible to scope out the talent. The women I was able to get a catch a glimpse of looked like they had been ridden hard and not put up at all. If you wanted to buy drugs however, asking them would be a good place to start the search.

I left vowing never to return. Is there something I am missing about 4x4? I know it is cheap, but certainly that can't be the attraction for some of the more discerning posters here. Could someone enlighten me?

Bubba Boy

10-05-05, 20:36

I personally think Nicole Kidman is a 6/10. However she often gets voted one of the most beautiful women in the world, hence many would rate her a 9/10. What does this have to do with mongering? Well it illustrates the point that different people have very different tastes. I currently love 4x4, exec currently does not, it is all very individual. That is why I qualify my statements with IMHO (In my humble opinion).

I think the trick to 4x4 is to get there by 4pm. There are most of the women present, you save the entrance fee if you take a girl to the cabine before 5pm (R30), and most importantly you get in before the Brasilian guys get there, which is about 5ish, maybe a tad later. By 6pm the place is a Zoo, Brasilian guys everywhere, if there was ever a fire, everybody would be dead. No fucking way everybody could get out.

Quality by quantity. There is upto 100 girls there, surely you can find something worth nailing. There are at least 10 girls that I intend doing there, not sure if I will get around to this, but hey everybody needs a purpose in life.

Bubba Boy

10-05-05, 20:40

I am in the process of updating my "bubba report" on Rio. If anybody has found any errors in it or would like to comment, please PM me. I am thinking of having an updated version done by November.

Java Man

10-05-05, 22:06

i agree with bubba on 4x4: GET THERE EARLY. the main reason why i keep returning is due to the large number of women available in one place. surely there has to be one "winner" amongst the crowd. unfortunately on my last trip i didn't see her until i was leaving the place. :(

Exec Talent

10-05-05, 22:45

The purpose of this forum, as I understand it, is to share information to help people make better decisions. Someone gave me an analogy one time that 4x4 was like a frat party and L'uomo was like a country club. Maybe that is why it had no appeal to me. At this point in my life, I am not that interested in wild, drunken parties. That does not mean I don't like to party, it just means that partying to me means dancing which in the Rio context means Help.

There are a lot of girls at 4x4, but it was hard for me to find one that didn't look shopworn. I could literally hear everything that was going on in the hall in the room I was in. I have done it at FKKs where there is a guy and girl next to me, but at least it didn't sound like a swat team would be breaking down the door at any moment. The showers leave a lot to be desired.

Sure you can save a few bucks and if that is the attraction fine. But, if the experience is not worthwhile, I really don't care about the price. I am not all that interested in taking the metro to centro, walking a few blocks in a questionable area to look for a needle in a haystack.

I am not being judgmental at all. It just seems that 4x4 is more an Eros Center experience than an FKK experience. So, as I understand it if bang for the buck turns you on 4x4 is the place. Do I have it right?

RonnyRon

10-05-05, 23:24

Well Exec Talent,

Perhaps your session at 4X4 would have been better, if you had sprung for a delux suite with the hot tub. Every time I go I get a suite with the hot tub and my sessions have been nothing short of amazing! I agree. Go early and don't stay to late. IMHO, Bubba Boy is correct. 4X4 is the best terma in Rio.

RonnyRon

Exec Talent

10-05-05, 23:53

RonnyRon,

How was I to know? The place looked like it is lucky to have running water. And, I am still trying to understand how you can find a girl there worth taking to a room. I know YMMV, but it can't vary that much. For example I agree with Bubba about everything else. Help has some good talent, which is easy to spot. The problem with 4x4 was it was so crowded in the bar that I couldn't check out the girls. I did get there before 5:00 but there didn't seem to be too many girls there.

So far I have get there early and request the deluxe suite. RonnyRon you say it is your favorite. Does price enter into this equation? The main problem I had was the lack of doable girls.

Ee2002

10-06-05, 00:14

I will admit the price of 4x4 definately makes it worth it to me.But the other thing I like is the shear number of garotas there compared to others.The Brazilian dick fest is a definate downside, after 5 it gets much harder to find an available garota.Some of the garoras seem to be uninterested / enthused during that time.

I don't find it any worst or better as far as quality / looks than the other termas, imho.Everyone has different taste.I still don't see the big deal with Luomos,but to each his own. Either way they are better than anything we have here in the states.

DFWdude

10-06-05, 01:14

I agree on 4X4, is one of the best in Rio. I usually do go early in the afternoon, as a matter of a fact after I check out of my hotel for the return I go to 4X4 to pass time on the way to the airport!. Anyway my last trip there (two weeks ago) I met up with a really cute little 19yo blonde with green eyes. Her name is Luciana. She was really cute, reminds me of a girl I use to work with back in the states.
After Luciana, I took a turn with Sheila. She was more agressive in sex, much more. We talked quite a bit after and I bought her a couple of drinks. We exchanged emails and she has written!. I am planning on going back to Rio later this month. She wants me to stay at her house and meet her parents...uh oh....That could spoil some serious fun at Help and other termas...may have to think abou that...

Yankee7

10-06-05, 02:29

I thought I was the only guy to do a 4X4 drive-by on the way to the airport, as that's also my ritual. Open early and plenty for garotas by 3PM. It gets too crowded for me by 6.

While I know many don't like it I continue to be a big fan of Centaurus. Having the apartment 1 block from there doesn't hurt. I keep hearing about the high pressure tactics, but I haven't experienced that. As far as paying up front I've never even come close to not finding someone I absolutely had to do. My only problem is too many choices. Certainly more expensive.

Solarium had been my favorite but on a couple of trips earlier this year I though it sukd. Mediocre girls and very low energy, so I just stopped going. Was convinced by a friend to go back during my July/August visit and it was awesome. Again high on my list.

Enjoyed Terma 65 for the first time, but it was no better than 4X4 which is right around the corner and significantly more expensive.

At least for the present L'Uomo is off my radar.

Carrib

10-06-05, 03:16

Finally the board is getting back business!!

Ok here is my two cents from a guy who LOVES termas...

There are many types in Brazil. If u really want upscale termas/boites u must go to Sao Paulo..My spots there were Bahamas, Kilt, Millennium and Cafe Photo (last 2 are closed)

But In Rio My favourites are Centaurus, Monte Carlo and 4x4 (tied), last Rio Antiguo.

Centaurus is by far the most upscale termas in Rio. Because of the price, most of the rift-raft that u see in 4x4 can’t afford it. Nice garotas and even higher percentage that speak English. Since it is open Monday-Friday, great place to find a girlfriend for the weekend. Rooms are small but very clean.

Monte Carlo is open 7 days a week owned by the same mgmt that operates solarium. MC is the most easily accessible termas if u are staying in Copa---u will also encounter more than a few fellow mongers there and they've raised the prices accordingly. Some stars there and the R50 entrance fee coupled with the copa stigma keeps most locals away as well. Training ground for porn stars..lol

4x4. for the sheer number (70-100 girls), this has got to be the best bargain in Rio. The Wal-Mart of Termas. As with most bargain situations, get there early!! I know quite a few stunners that used to work at Centaurus who are now at 4x4. I have met many "girlfriends" from there. Like Centaurus, it is open M-F and has an early shift that ends at 12am. So u can shoot the shit in front of Help watch the show and idiots pay 300 reals till she gets off work LOL,,,,it is also M-F so a perfect spot to get a weekend GF. It has 4 levels including a bar in the basement where girls hang...don’t limit yourself to the crowded ass boite where all the Brazilians are... Friday is the best day.

Rio Antigo very nice place but I hate the Trannies that hang around the block.....they have some fine women there as well...only went there once, the trannies turned me off. Every time I go to Rio I make it a point to go back but never get a chance---after a night at Centaurus, MC and 4x4...my cell is usually full with numbers...so many women so little time.

for a while---this used to be my routine in Rio:

go to a termas...then off to a nightclub to try my luck at a regular garota. Baronetti, Peoples Club(closed), Club Six, the Bedroom (closed), Nuth, Sky lounge (bar) Hard Rock cafe in Barra..that jazz piano club across the street from solarium (DO NOT leave the terma and walk over in full view of the regular garotas!!) to name a few. Since this is a monger forum I don’t really talk about the non-pay scene--if u speak Portuguese, have a half way decent personality, can switch off "monger mode" and are NOT staying in Copa..your chances of scoring with a regular garota greatly improves. Last item, make friends with some reg guys/girls that will introduce u to friends as a "cool" gringo. For those of u staying in Brazil for more than 2 weeks, join a health club. There are several in Barra and copa. The problem getting a regular girl, some won’t let u do the freaky things, will cramp your style, and will go ballistic if u get caught. Be ready for tsunami like emotional eruptions should u [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off..LOL

Delecti

10-06-05, 03:41

I agree with many of these opinions...but Centaurus is open also on Saturday. They are only closed on Sunday. With that said, the selection of girls is normally a little leaner on Saturday.

Liucio

10-06-05, 06:35

R u guys shop worn because Solarium is far the better option.
This place has the best mulatas with the biggest shapely ass.
Not just fat wide thighs, but atheletic cut shapely tight asses. I'm stillsearching 4 a girl I met 2yrs ago there, I'll search the entire city until I find her. (LOL)

RonnyRon, I surprised at your classification of termas. I take your word as GOSPEL on most points. Your a chair on the committee here, But your wrong on this one.

Carrib, your right about not wanting to run into the Copa loud mouths at the termas. But when I went I rarely ran into one at Solarium. And the area around the lake is great. ( Jardim Botanico) Nice scenic bike path all the way around the lake. Perfect for an A.M exercise

The only problem there is the woman at the desk can be an ass. Her name is Petrana or Petrena. She once thought I should tip her because of some advice she gave me on the night club scene.

Centaurus, can be very crowded, and you can get annoyed with the garota u don't want constantly being in your ear. Higher volume of garotas, but the garotas r more business savy there.

I myself hit up the clubs. I use the termas instead f HELP or the tables. I agree, I would not in this economic times drop $R250-$R300 for an American cultured assimilated garota at those HELP tables.

It has been post that SOLARIUM has raise there prices again. I'll still pay of course.

When I return I'll try the place in Sao Conrado again. I read a post where its said to have improved in the quality will have to check it out.

It's amazing how there can be so many varying opinions on a talent spots.

Too bad Pfizer hasn't come up with a lube that will also u to go BAREBACK and not increase your risk of an STD.

Must have been some great times in the 70's when shit was treatable. (Carnival must have been REDUNQULOUS)
Will there ever b those days again.
I guess I'll be 2 old, then 2 enjoy.

Great post Conrads
Great topic

JustGotBack

10-06-05, 06:55

RonnyRon

10-06-05, 09:31

4x4. for the sheer number (70-100 girls), this has got to be the best bargain in Rio. The Wal-Mart of Termas. As with most bargain situations, get there early!! I know quite a few stunners that used to work at Centaurus who are now at 4x4. I have met many "girlfriends" from there. Like Centaurus, it is open M-F and has an early shift that ends at 12am. So u can shoot the shit in front of Help watch the show and idiots pay 300 reals till she gets off work LOL,,,,it is also M-F so a perfect spot to get a weekend GF. It has 4 levels including a bar in the basement where girls hang...don’t limit yourself to the crowded ass boite where all the Brazilians are... Friday is the best day.

Guys,

Carrib's description of 4X4 is right on target. There are 4 levels. I say again 4 levels. In the rear at the top of the club is another bar area VIP lounge where you can also order food. It is never crowded. To get there you walk to the rear and up a spiral staircase, which feel like like you are walking through a cave. Problem is most guys never take a tour through the entire place. Most guys get stuck in the boite where all the Brazilians are. If you go take some time to walk through the entire club. I never had a girl who was camera shy. In fact when I pulled out my camera, they began to poise immediately. Once I was walking through the back halls and noticed a girl having her hair done and make up applied. I always assumed the girl did their own hair and make up, but no, 4X4 actually has hair stylus and make artists for their girls. Not quite WalMart if you ask me. As Carrib mentioned get their number and you stand a very good chance of seeing her on the weekend.

The price has never been a real issue for me. The first time I went (1999) my 3rd trip to Rio, I was completely blown away by the sheer number of women to select from. I sat down and was approach by a girl. She asked if I liked her. I said no. She then asked what kind of girl I liked. I wasn't quite sure, since there were so many, so I took my time. She brought a few girls over, I said no. Then she went across the room, way in the corner pulled this girl by the hand and that was that. I remember telling her she was beautiful and she said "no you are beautiful". After my first visit to 4X4, I was ruined. For me it was an EPIPHANY. I never go to strip club any more and rarely go to regular clubs here in the states now. To this day, I have never been to any other place quite like it. I get hyped, just thinking about it!

I also suggest you stop on your way back to Copacabana at Majórica Churrascaria, Rua Senador Vergueiro 11, Flamengo. Excellent place where you pick your steak before they cook it. A long-established, better-than-average place to attack a T-bone. Nice way to cap off your visit to the Central area before getting some rest and hitting Help.

On another subject. To be honest I have a slight advantage over most guys visiting Rio. I look alot like some famous Brazilian singer. Natalya (not sure of the spelling). I get told this by Brazilian women and men. The head waiter at Mab's addresses me by that name every time I see him. I was paying to leave 4X4 once and 3 Brazilian guys started saying I was this singer. The cashier said no he is an Americano. I don't know who this guy is, but I am glad we look alike. Damn, if only I could sing, LOL.

Liucio,

Thank you for the "chair" comment, but I'm just a guy trying to enjoy life and share some information to assist others who want to do the same. I remember when we had to email Jackson our photos. I began posting photos in hopes that others would do the same and they have. My hat is off to Jackson who developed this site. It is great to see how it has evolved over the years. Cheers to you, Jackson!

RonnyRon

Member #4156

10-06-05, 13:56

Carrib, could you or someone else post the addresses of the regular clubs? Or hand out some pointers on how to find them. Thanks. I also tend to only go to the Termas, but I end up at Help at night for the lack of anything better to do. If I could find some regular places to go, I'd be happy to hang out there instead.
Baronetti
Rua Barao da Torre 354
Ipanema

Nuth
Av. Armando Lombardi 999
Barra

Mariuzinn
Av N.S. Copacabana 435
Copacabana
00 Zero Zero
Av. Padre Leonel Franca 204
Gavea
24540-8041
www.00site.com.br

Bombar
RAv Gal San Martin, 1011
Leblon
2509-3599

Bunker
Rua Raul Pompeia 94
Copacabana
2521-0637
www.bunker94.com.br

Club Six
Rua da Marracas 38
Centro (lapa)
2510-3230

Guopo Loco
Right next to Bombar
www.guapoloco.com.br

Melt
Rua Rita ludolf
Leblon
2540-0705

Full Throttle

10-06-05, 14:15

Great job by all participants. My visits are somewhat unique in that I have only a day or so to play. We'll probably hit 4X4 in the afternoon, try to be good, tantric sperm managers, then Solarium. Late night, Help, then a nice morning/early afternoon session, perhaps at a terma or with a contact from the night before.

Here is a more broad list of various establishments I came across. I wish there were more websites included, but at least there are phone numbers:

> Quatro X Quatro Lazer e Serv Ltda - Rua Buenos Aires, 44 - Centro - Tel. 2283-1009

> CLUB 600 Estrada do Camorim 600 - Jacarepagua. tel. 24411455 atend. Walquiria gerencia Roberto.

> Centaurus Termas Rua Canning, 44 - Ipanema - Tel:2267-5941

> Termas Monte Carlo Rua Hilário de Gouvêia,19 Copacabana - Tel: 2255-4489

> Termas Rio Antigo Rua Joaquim Silva, 2- Glória - Tel: 22249591

> Termas L`uomo Rua Siqueira Campos,143 - piso lj.15 - Copacabana - Tel: 2549-4113

> Termas 65 Rua do Rosário, 65 - Centro - Tel: 2203-1338

> Termas 73 Rua Haddock Lobo, 73 sob. - Estácio Tel: 2293-8913

> Termas Solarium Rua J.J.Seabra, 21 - Jardim Botânico Tel: 2274-2741

> Termas Jacarepaguá Rua Castor, 17 - Jacarepaguá - Tel: 2441-1350

> Termas Beath Girls Rua Barata Ribeiro, 370 lj.211 Copacabana - Tel: 2236-3374

> Copacabana Termas Spa Av. N. S. Copacabana, 583 gr 203 Copacabana - Tel: 2257-2172

> Pigalle Club Av. das Américas, 15105 - Recreio dos Bandeirantes - Tel: 2437-7947

> LC Massagens Rua Miguel Couto, 105 - Centro - Tel: 2263-0960

> Club 47 Av. Maracanã, 47 - Maracanã - Tel: 2264-8652

> Beach Girls Rua Barata Ribeiro, 370 lj.211 - Tel: 2236-3374

> Centro de Lazer MV30 Rua Mayrink Veiga, 30 1ºandar Centro - Tel: 2233-6865

> Whisqueria Orion Café Estrada dos Bandeirantes, 5056 Jacarepaguá - Tel: 2426-2026

> 2 a 2 Casais Liberais Rua Figueiredo Magalhães, 885 F Copacabana - Tel: 2235-4821

> As Divas Av. Rio Branco - Tel: 2262-7596 (MOVED)

> Bia Massagem Rua México - Centro - Tel: 2544-7199

> Barra Star Massagens Tel: 9754-4063

> Barbarella Rua Min. Viveiros de Castro, 24 Copacabana - Tel: 2275-7349 $$

> La Cicciolina Av Princesa Isabel, 185 - Copacabana Tel: 2275-8949 $$

> Pussycat Rua Belfort Roxo, 88 B - Copacabana Tel: 2275-8798

> Escandinávia Praça Mauá, 19 - Centro - Tel: 2263-6399

> Holliday Av Atlântica, 1424 - Copacabana -tel: 2542-4347

> Café Nice Av Rio Branco, 277 - Centro - Tel: 2240-8864

> Frank`s Bar Av Princesa Isabel, 185 - Copacabana Tel: 2275-9348 $$

> New Scotch Bar Av. Princesa Isabel, 7 - Copacabana Tel:2275-5499

> Night Club Nikos Av. Prado Júnior, 48 - Copacabana Tel: 2543-4639

> Scandinavia Praça Mauá, 19 - Centro - Tel: 2263-6399

> Las Vegas - R. Intendente Magalhães, 1.183 - Vila Valqueire - Tel: 3340-3560

>Praia Club 400 (Casa Amarela) - Av. do Pepê, 400 - Barra da TIjuca - Tel.: 2492-9019 ou 2459-4444.

> MS 302 - Rua Mem de Sá, 302 - Centro - Tel.: 3852-8144, após 16h.

By the way, I think the termas in Rio are more fun than the Sao Paulo clubs mentioned in another post. The girls and service may be as good or better there, but nothing beats wearing a robe and a key to the bar.

FT

Sunset

10-06-05, 20:34

Belize Insider

10-06-05, 21:47

I'm travelling to Guyana in a couple of months and want to hop on over to Brazil for fun. Can anyone point me the way of air carriers as AA and continental SUCK!

WoodYi

10-06-05, 23:17

Solarium had been my favorite but on a couple of trips earlier this year I though it sukd. Mediocre girls and very low energy, so I just stopped going. Was convinced by a friend to go back during my July/August visit and it was awesome. Again high on my list.

At least for the present L'Uomo is off my radar.Well I guess differnt strokes for differnt folks. I just got back and Solarium sucked IMO. Most were average or below. A lot of fatties. Only 1 or 2 doable. When I was there in June the selection was much better

L'Uomo on the other hand was pretty good in comparision. There were several real hotties and most of the others wen't bad either.

Liucio

10-07-05, 06:55

i recommend nuth on a sat night. last yr a guy from ny was spinning at the place. he was an old school turn table relic. if you like scratching on turn tables this guy was it. he was rep001ching some old 80's house music and he was world class. i have only been there on sat nights and the music wa tight, so tight i just drink and bobbed my head to the ass rump shaking.

bunker : go there for your middleclass (let me practise my english crowd). you americano? where from you? some hotties here but hard to score if your not in their world.

there is a place is leblon for samba on sunday nights. this is the place to go to meet the older women. ask a programa garota they should know. its popular for regulars (workig class). just choose a woman and buy them drinks with luck mayb u can score. this place is near ave borges de medeiros where the bus turns around and comes back down the hill. not towards the sheraton but upthe hill going south. i do not advise taing the bus there at night.

also try melt, i never been but mayb you can report on the experience.
good luck

Exec Talent

10-07-05, 17:02

A friend of mine who used to work at Monte Carlo is now working at Centaurus so I decided to pay her a visit. Usually I see her off the clock, but conflicts in my schedule required me to visit her there. Right as I was getting in the cab, she calls to tell me she misses me. Awwww!

Enter Centaurus and in plain view of the guy at the front, pick up the Portuguese language chart of costs. I told him I was only going to pay the entrance (R$90) as I was pretty tired and wasn't sure about getting a girl. No problem, no argument. An unattractive girl greets me to help me with my robe (has anyone ever had a real hottie greet them there?). I tell her I got it and she leaves.

Enter the Boite and see my friend. I offer to buy her a drink and while I am at the bar am attacked by other garotas. They won't even let me get my drink order in. This is one of the reasons guys don't like this place. My friend and I retire to the relax room. She starts getting frisky with me and is promptly chastised. Although I obviously am with her, other girls try to steal me away every chance they get. Finally we go to the room where I fall asleep. (Hey, what can I say, I didn't have my nap). She tries various means to wake me and finally is successful. Candidly I wasn't too worried because I knew where she was spending the night.

I should mention that prior to going to the room; I had to make a trip to the front to assure them that I would be able to pay since I had only paid the entrance fee. Also, the bar man was nice enough to pressure me for a tip and brought out his paper so he could even write it down. I did give him a tip -- don't pressure people for tips.

While in the Boite with my friend I saw a real hottie (my friend is too, btw) whom I just had to have. My friend was not happy, but what can I say. Again, back down to the front where they insisted upon getting paid. FYI, Centaurus charges 10% for credit card transactions. The cash price is R$220 per girl.

The facilities at Centaurus are great and there are some real hot girls. But, it reminds me of a car dealership. There is the pressure to make a sale all around you and you constantly have to be on your guard so you don't get taken.

Bubba Boy

10-07-05, 17:59

the bar man was nice enough to pressure me for a tip and brought out his paper so he could even write it down. I did give him a tip -- don't pressure people for tips.

I also gave him a tip last week:- "Be nice to your mother", I thought this helpful tip would serve him well in life.

Jan 156

10-07-05, 19:41

I have just spent half an hour (in an internet cafe in Copa) writing a report on Vila Mimosa and other info to be helpful, but I got a WSG message saying I had tried to submit to an invalid thread or something. I do have other things to do (as you might imagine) so the reports will have to wait. Meanwhile if anyone is about to visit or already here and needs local info on places to go, transport, acommodation etc please PM me. I am not on commission or working as an agent for anyone - you can always buy me a beer if I help you out, nothing more!

El Greco

10-08-05, 01:48

El Greco

10-08-05, 01:52

I just heard a rumor that all the termases in downtown Rio will be closed tomorrow, Oct. 7, 2005. This is supposed to include clubs like 31 and Florida. Places not closed will be subject to raids. I don’t know if this extends to Copacabana.

I don’t have any more details except that everything should be back to normal on Monday. This is just a rumor I heard an hour ago.

Yes they were closed. At least two of the smaller ones that I visited.

Hope they will be back on business from Monday on otherwise my vacations in Rio will be spoiled.

This is the reason that I am sitting in an internet cafe posting messages now.

I had other plans but.........

So I am waiting for the time to pass untill I go to Asa Branca

El Greco

Carlos 91

10-08-05, 04:27

Is there any reason for the termases being closed on Sat?

Euro100

10-08-05, 15:54

While my memory on the details is still fresh, here is a write-up of my trip to L’oumos last night. I relied much on BubbaBoy’s guide to Rio, http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1967
I am giving a lot of details here, hoping that another monger can use them and save some effort in finding out things again that I already know – just the same way that I have profited from BubbaBoy’s guide.

I arrived in Rio at the international airport on Friday, October 7, around 3 p.m. Following BubbaBoy’s advice, I went up two floors to go to the departure level and grabbed a cab there. As I entered the taxi, the driver at first did not turn on the meter. But I pointed to it and said in English to turn on the meter, and this did the trick. The fare to the Luxor Continental hotel at Leme beach was 42R. (BTW, the driver drove really fast and there was very little traffic at 4 pm; so it’s unlikely that one can get a cheaper ride in a taxi than the one that I got). Not bad, because the downstairs radio taxis wanted already 52R to get me only to centro. And Copa is quite a bit further away. So BubbaBoy already saved me 20R or 30R right off the bat.

Speaking of saving money, I also trusted the information posted on money exchange. At the airport the best rate I was able to get was 2.15R for $1. So I only changed $100 to have some initial walking-around money. Later, at L’uomos, they gave me 2.40R for $1. Again, BubbaBoy saved me bundles.

OK, my regular hotel in Rio is the Luxor Continental at Leme. Leme beach is the continuation of Copacabana, and the Luxor is three blocks away from the hotel Meridian, Meridian marks the Eastern end of Copacabana and the Western end of Leme and is located at the corner of Av. Princess Isabel and Av. Atlantica. This is also where a lot of the strip joints and boites are located (La Cicciolina, Franks, and so on). Luxor Continental is on Av. Gustavo Sampaio, one block away form the beach. From my room on the 18th floor I have a very good view over Leme and Copacabana beach. Luxor is girl-friendly, which is important to me. It also has Internet, but not in all rooms; so you need to ask for it. On the top three floors 19-21, there is a rooftop pool, bar, restaurant/grill, fitness room, and so on. Breakfast (served 6 to 10 every day) is included and served in the restaurant on the second floor. I am paying $100 per night for my double room suite. Five years ago, it used to be a lot cheaper, but oh well. The room is nice, with a big bed. The bathroom has a lot of space, with a huge shower, ideal for two-person water-play. Air conditioning, mini bar, cable TV with HBO, Cinemax (but no more porn channels, like they used to have 5 years ago). The closet door is one big mirror; so you can watch yourself do the porn star thing with the garota you have picked up.

At 4:30 I decided to make my way over to L’oumos. Since it was still light out, I decided to walk. I didn’t really do it to save money, but to use the legs after all that sitting around in the plane and taxi. It’s an easy walk, just about one mile. I like walking along Av. Atlantica; there is always something to see. L’oumos is located on Rua Siqueira Campos, which dead-ends on Av. Atlantica. The number 143, by the way, does not imply that it is only one block away from the beach. Instead, it’s about 5 blocks. BTW, 143 is only one block North of the Metro station. L’oumos is pretty hard to find, no sign that you can see from the street. It is located in a shopping mall, which has mainly antique stores as it other tenants. You have to go up to the second floor and find corridor E, booth 11. I had a hard time with this, but once I found it, I realized that L’oumos faces the Rua Siqueira Campos. This should help you finding it.

I arrived at L’oumos at 5 pm, and there were two girls at the front desk, who explained the rules to me in English. I grabbed the locker key and went through the door on the right to take off my clothes and put on the bathrobe and slippers that they provide for you. The first one they gave me was a little tight, and so I switched to a larger one a bit later. Most guys keep their underwear on under the robe, but I like to let the member breathe. Then on to tour the place: It is not big. The main room is the boite, which measures about 40 feet by 20 feet. Half of one wall is covered by the bar, with about 10 barstools in front of it. The wall next to the entrance is all mirrors, all other walls are covered by a continuous sofa arrangement in whitish leather. I’d say about a total of 30 people max can sit on the sofas. The music is pounding here all evening long. The other room is about half the size of the boite and is the quiet room, with furniture that you will find on the typical American backyard deck, and with a small TV. The Animal Planet channel was running, if you can believe it. Later, I asked the owner to turn it to ESPN. This way we were able to watch the baseball playoff game off and on. Next to this quiet room are the showers. Nice touch: sealed toothbrushes and toothpaste is provided free.

The prices are still the same: 50R entrance fee. If you take a girl, this is reduced to 40R. The basic session is 40 minutes long and sets you back a total of 170R. Drinks: 4R for a coke or guarana, 14R for a Red Bull or most cocktails (Margarita, Bloody Mary, Martini, Orgasm, Sex on the Beach, …), 6R for a caipirinha (best value if you want to get a bit of a buzz), 5R for a beer (Skol or Bohemia brands). You can also get whisky, even a whole bottle of Jonny Walker Black for 260R, or champagne. You can also buy food: pizza for 14R, Filet Mignon with baguette bread for 20R, heart of palm salad for 14R, and various types of appetizers. BTW, at 8 pm, they served some pretty tasty free food in the quiet lounge, chicken, rice, salad.

When I arrived, the place was basically full, with about 20 or 25 girls and about 15 to 20 men. A few of the girls were moving to the music, all evening long a mix of hip-hop, techno, and some local samba influences. And boy, do these girls move!!! They were all fully clothed. (I am saying this to point out the contrast to a German FKK, my usual mongering territory, where are girls are completely naked.) I settled at the bar and made a first visual scan of the quality of the workers. At least 10 who made my dick swell! Good, we are in business.

I spent the first 30 minutes with my caipirinha and just looked around, enjoyed the dancing girls, and let the music rain down on me. Most of the mongers were Americanos, living in Rio. I had lots of short pleasant conversations with them throughout the evening and got lots of good info on the girls. Through the evening I bought about 5 different girls drinks (I just sent them to the bar with my key to get what they want; at these prices you don’t really need to worry what they order). The way that you buy a drink or food is to say what you want and show your locker key with the number on it. Then they will add this to your tab. The girls will not really make the first move, but give you a lot of sultry eye contact. And they move those bodies to the music for your viewing pleasure! If you sit at the bar, occasionally one of the dancers will come over and rub her fine ass against your dick while dancing. Fuck, this gives me wood just thinking about it :). If you slouch on the sofa and have made eye contact, occasionally one of them will come over and dance right over you. Or she will sit down with you. If you like her, now is a good time to ask if she wants a drink. Invariably this seems to lead to some high-quality (but discreet!!!) groping and really good DFK. At a German FKK, you basically would have committed to going to a room at this point, but at a terma this is not the case. So just enjoy this part of the game for its own sake.

I speak just about no Portuguese, but I still had really fun conversations with 5 or 6 of the girls, even though their English is almost as bad as my Portuguese. About 4 or 5 times throughout the evening, one of the girls did a strip show. During one of these strips, Barbie (I am not sure about any of the girls names, because when they say their names, I just wouldn’t even know how to pronounce it half of the time. In any case Barbie is petite, white, with shorter wavy blond hair.) sits down between my legs and presses her ass against my dick. The strip, expertly done by Bea (a fine little blond short-haired white hard-body, who I swear I will have to fuck during my next visit) got me really hot, and so I played with Barbie’s outer legs, sliding up her dress a bit. She reaches back and gives me a hand job almost to completion while I twirl her rock-hard nipples that are covered by her paper-thin dress. After the strip is over, Barbie bends back, gives me DFK, grabs her drink, and moves on. No sales pressure at all; you get the feeling that some of these girls really like their job and like to tease the boys. Barbie is also on my to-do list for next time, as is Ingrid (Mulatta, long black straight hair, with an ass that just won’t quit).

At 6:30 I picked QT (I am not giving her name, because she gave me her phone number, and I will hook up for an all-nighter with her tonight. Technically they can be fired for this, and so I want to keep her name under wraps.). QT had been giving me deep looks off and on for an hour; I saw her laugh with the other girls often (a very good sign in my book). After a drink and lots of DFK and groping I was ready. She took my key to get us the room and add the fee for sex to my tab. Then she vanished for ten minutes to shower and change into a very short silk bathrobe. Then we went to a room. It was the most interesting room I have ever mongered in. The room was the exact dimensions of a large queen-size bed. This bed made the floor of the room, so as you stepped through the door, you left your shoes outside and then were already on the bed. The headboard-wall was a mirror; all other walls were padded. A small shelf to put our drinks on; no other furniture – perfect for the purpose at hand.

QT was nothing short of sensational in the sack, moving right up into my top-ten all time. We first undressed slowly, with lots of DFK. Then she gave me a BBBJ (I didn’t even have to ask for uncovered) that lasted for a good 10 minutes. I returned the favor, and her hips got thrusting pretty good. I don’t know if she came, but I do know that she enjoyed this. Then on to the main act! She applied the raincoat with her mouth and mounted me cowgirl style. That same ass that can wiggle so rhythmically on the dance floor now did its thing while riding me. Oh yeah! We changed positions a couple of more times, and then she said “fuck me in the ass, please”. Gentleman that I am, I had to oblige! It was easily the best anal that I ever had. After a good 10 minutes of practicing my Greek, we took of the rubber and finished with CIM. According to my watch it had been 37 minutes since we had entered the room. I don’t really know what happens after the 40 minutes expire, but it still thought this was great timing. We then cuddled for a couple of minutes with light kissing. She finally gave me her phone number, swearing me to secrecy. And all this for only 170R, which is $71 at the exchange rate they gave me at L’oumos. The same service would have cost 200 euro (about $250) at a German FKK (1 hour service for 100 euro, plus 50 euro for anal, plus 50 euro for CIM).

Four or five times throughout the remainder of the evening QT came back to me for some TLC. I have made a new friend ;) . Another cute little detail: she told me that she needs to go to the beauty salon before our date tonight. She look just perfect o me already; so I am curious how she intends to improve.

As it got past 11, the place went pretty dead. Most of the girls had lost their energy to dance, and everybody was just sitting there very tired, perhaps even bored. Some of the girls went to their regular (at least that was my impression) guys and just snuggled. QT came over to me and did the same. I was going to invite her to my hotel, but I was too tired and buzzed. Well, we have a date for tonight, and this time I am not going to get hammered on caipis. It’s going to be a fun time. By the way, taking a girl from a terma is much safer than grabbing someone from Help, because if she tries funny stuff and steals from you, you know exactly where to find her the next night, and she is going to be in trouble. So it is much easier to trust her. You still need to keep your guard up, but you have at least some safety net in place.

I left at about midnight. I had only done one pop, but had had 7 hours of great fun, nevertheless. Total damage for everything, including entrance fee, sex, and all drinks: 309R (= $129). In my book this is great value, considering I had magical sex with a goddess and then got pretty wasted on caipis.

I took one of the taxis that are waiting outside the building. The guy turned on the meter without hesitating. I get the feeling that the drivers who wait here know that they cannot try the same shit as they do in front of Help. 7R was the fare, and I was back in the hotel.

By the way, if you wanted to go to 4 x 4 last night, you found that they were closed. They claim that they are redecorating. But another monger told me that he had heard that the police had forced them to close. I hope that this is not for good, and that they will open again real soon.

Regulr Travlr

10-08-05, 17:08

Euro,

Great detailed report. This provides a lot of information for someone considering a trip. I would really enjoy an evening at L'oumos like yours. I have done it at some of the sex clubs in Amsterdam but the cost was at least triple.

Thanks.

Traveller

Jaimito Cartero

10-08-05, 17:39

The fare to the Luxor Continental hotel at Leme beach was 42R. (BTW, the driver drove really fast and there was very little traffic at 4 pm; so it’s unlikely that one can get a cheaper ride in a taxi than the one that I got). Not bad, because the downstairs radio taxis wanted already 52R to get me only to centro. And Copa is quite a bit further away.

My apartment people said they'd pick me up, so I didn't even consider going upstairs. However, it turned out they just sent me to the taxi agency there, and I paid $67R to Copa. So you did much better going upstairs. Needless to say, I knew about going upstairs, but I was pretty tired, so just went. It was funny though, because the taxi driver asked where I was going. I told him that *he* was supposed to know, because beyond Copacabana, I didn't know.

Trippleecks

10-09-05, 13:21

The RED or the BLUE taxies at the airport are ripoffs... 60.reais or more is about what they will charge..
Just find a yellow taxi and you should save some $$$$ to Copacabana.

Euro100

10-09-05, 19:05

Gentlemen, here is day two of my Rio romp ... for your reading pleasure:

Saturday, October 8. Well, I wanted to make sure I would not spend my energy too early, because I had my all-night romp planned with QT (name withheld – see my last post). So I got up late, had a light lunch, took a walk on the beach side of Av. Atlantica. The weather was much warmer than yesterday, just perfect. I ran into a guy I had met on the plane from Sampa to Rio. What are the odds? I sat down and had a Skol with him at a beach kiosk.

Later, I also got green shit dumped on my shoe. How do they do it without me noticing? Of course, some stupid fuck walks right up to me and offers to clean my shoes. I told him to beat it in no uncertain terms, and he got the message. Walking in the sand does not make this stuff come off; it is an oil-based concoction. As I walked through the beach entrance of the hotel, I tried to rinse it off with the foot-shower; also no go. OK, in my room I got it off pretty easy with soap; my shoes are black Adidas Samba, but I would guess that if you wear running shoes or any other non-leather shoes, then you are out of luck.

I went to the rooftop pool with bar and grill at the hotel and chilled for a while, ate a light dinner and had a couple of soft drinks. No booze; I wanted to take it easy! Had one of those Brazilian steak sandwiches, which are the best in the World.

I got ready for the evening and took a long shower and shave. The plan was to call QT on her cell at 10. I tried three times, but only managed to get some answering service. F-word! Since I do not speak Portuguesa, I do not even know if I reached the right number. So I could not leave a message either. (I had this vision of leaving a message with the wrong person, and then a 50 year old grandmother shows up at my door)

OK, plan B. I jump into a taxi, and off to L’uomo it is (I checked; the name has no “s” at the end – my bad). I arrive there at 10:40, and the ladies at the entrance are nice enough to point out that they will be open to midnight. (Fine with me. I knew this already when setting up the date with QT yesterday). 2 minutes later I am in my robe and enter the main boite. Amazingly, it feels like home already. I recognize a couple guys from yesterday and basically all the girls. Four or five come over to say hi, and a couple of them call me QT’s boyfriend. Hmmm, that’s a good way to ruin my future selection options in L’uomo :( . Then QT enters the boite, sees me, comes right up to me, and plants a big DFK. Then she asks why I did not call. Well, shit, I tried. She asks if we are still on for midnight, and I smile and nod.

OK, just a couple of caipis. Can’t hurt. She is having also one. She asks if I want sexo now. I say later. Fine, she just discretely plays with my dick, while some very fine asses wiggle and do their thing right in front of me. Ingrid has a new stunning outfit on that reveals more than it hides, and boy-oh-boy can this garota move. Bea wiggles around on the guy next to me. QT gets a little miffed, because I watch with interest. I just laugh and give her a kiss, rub her inner thigh. The music is pumping, and all is good.

Now the cloak-and-dagger part starts. QT asks me to write down my hotel address and tells me to meet her in front of the hotel at five past midnight. I write my little note in the locker room and then slip it to her in the boite, like we are some kind of spies. She does not keep the note, but slips it to a girlfriend. I give her a puzzled look, she explains in Portuguese, but of course I have no friggin idea what it means. Oh well, go with the flow, relax, it will work out.

I grab a taxi and head back to the hotel. I arrive at midnight; shortly thereafter QT arrives and is dropped off by that same girlfriend, who is driving the car. Now I understand :) . QT wears clothes that make her look like just a pretty young women, not a pro. Her skin is pretty light-colored, and so we can get away with looking like this regular couple that has returned from some tourist samba show or dinner. I don’t even bother with stopping at the front desk for registration, just wave to the guy at the desk, and head for the elevator.

We start with having a couple of Red Bulls. I had noticed her preferences yesterday and stocked up on this stuff. Even in the supermarket it is 7R a can. Wow! But hey, if it works ;) . Then a nice shower, and on to the bed it is. She tells me to call her by her real name, no her artist’s name at L’uomo. She really takes her time, and so do I. We got all night. For the first hour, we are just doing the same program as yesterday at L’uomo, but just a little expanded. I finally unload big time during Greek. She says she really likes sexo with me and clearly wants more. OK, I let my fingers do the talking. A half hour later she comes. It took a hell of a lot of work, and today my middle finger is a bit sore, but it was worth the effort. She says delicioso and shtoish (something like that) and a bunch of other words I do not understand, but I get the message, because she is just gushing with affection. Then she tells me that she is now very tired after this orgasmo. Fine with me; I am tired, too, and it is after 2 am. We both need showers, because we are dripping with sweat. She tells me more sexo in the morning, please, and then she is asleep.

I wake up at 7, because some jerk has music pumping on the street, and it carries all the way up. I switch of the AC, because I notice that she is all bundled up to the ears in the comforter. Then I get back in bed and snuggle up to that incredibly sexy backside of hers. Somehow this wakes her up. She is not startled at all, but just starts to slightly and slowly grind her rear end against my member. She smells great, and her skin is so soft. The sex this morning is even better than last night. We go for a full two hours. I had not the slightest idea that I could go for this long! After 90 minutes, she comes again. I know the signs by now. However, I am not done yet. We are on the third condom of this session already. We finish in a position that is a new one for me. I am going to call it Southern Cross. She lies on her back, I on my side, perpendicular to her. Her right leg is between my legs with my left leg on top, and her left leg hangs over my waste. She calls this position a name, but I forgot again. If one of you mongers knows what I am talking about, I’d like to know what this is called. She pulls both of our left legs up with her hands, and this help to make amazing contact between our pubic areas. I grab her breast with my right hand, and massage her lower abdomen with my left. It’s a fun position, and it does the trick. Right after I explode, I see that the clock shows 9:10. Like I said, I cannot believe we were at it this long.

We lie there for a while to cool off. I turn on the AC again, but the sheets are soaking wet and thus history. Another round of showers for both of us. The girl still looks amazing; she does not need any makeup. We dress and go down for breakfast. The hotel puts out quite a spread each morning, and it is just a joy to see how much QT appreciates the food. She is happy; I am elated. It’s a good thing that we cannot really talk to each other, or this could turn into a more serious relationship. I ask her if she has a boyfriend. She says no: Brazilian men are not as nice to her as I am. :) . At 10:30 I walk her outside and get her a taxi. Some part of me wanted to go back up to the room and have more sex with her, but this night has been nothing short of amazing, and I know that my tank is way below empty. So any further sex would just water it down. I need sleep.

Doc Bill

10-10-05, 04:53

Euro, great reports, and very helpful, thanks a lot! One thing you didn't mention, though, was the cost of her spending that night with you. I'm curious about that and more so in general about how one negotiates that with a terma girl and what the normal costs are.

Euro100

10-10-05, 14:20

Doc Bill,

Usually the girls at the terma all want 300R to stay for the night - that seems to be the going rate at L'uomo, according to a couple of other mongers I talked with. That's your starting point, and I do not know how far you can get it down. But that's still great value of the money, man.

How much did I pay? You are not going to believe it, but QT actually came over for free. Well not exactly free; instead I will take her out to a fancy dinner tomorrow, on her off day. Most likely Marius at Leme. I am thinking that this will lead to another fantastic night with QT in my hotel. I will hit L'oumo taday late in the afternoon and have sex with QT there again. She needs to make a living after all.

But I cannot spend the night with QT. I have to be back at my hotel at 11 pm tonight, see the end of the following post.

cheers
euro

Euro100

10-10-05, 14:20

OK, after the all-night session yesterday I was plenty tired. So I went up to the rooftop pool, had a couple of caipis, read a book, worked on the tan. Then I went for a nap in my room. In the afternoon it got really windy and cloudy; so I decided to go for a nice workout in the hotel’s well-equipped fitness center on the 20th floor. Then I took another shower, followed by another nap. When I woke up, it was 9 pm, and I realized that I had missed lunch altogether. Fine, time for dinner.

Here was the plan: take a stroll down the Av. Atlantica on the side with all of the street cafes and find a place for a light meal, hang out for a while, and then head to Help at 11:30. It was not to be.

I had walked past the Rio International hotel when a scummy-looking little guy asks me for the time. I motion to my wrist and show him I have no watch, keep walking. About ten steps later I see a guy walking over from some trees and keeping pace with me, narrowing the sideways distance between us until he gets just two meters away from me. This distracts my attention sufficiently so that I do not see yet another guy who is coming from the other direction and heading straight for me. That guy pulls a knife and motions it towards my throat, grabs the front of my shirt with his other hand.

Military training takes over, and despite my intention to just hold still and let them take my wallet, my right hand grabs his knife-hand by the wrist and bends it back. This guys is surprisingly weak, and for a moment I entertain the thought of ramming his own knife into his underbelly. But then the other guy who walked alongside me is all over me, plus the guy who asked for the time is on my back. Two more guys appear from nowhere. One holds my free arm back, the other searches my pockets.

All of these guys are probably in their early twenties and a head shorter than me. Since I still hold on to the knife-hand, I calculate the odds of beating the shit out of all of them. None of them feels tough, but then again I am not the black belt I used to be any more. And I worry that there may be other knifes. So, despite being high on adrenaline, my rational brain wins, I just hold still and let them go through my pockets. They ignore the cigarettes and matches, and only take the wallet. Less then 10 seconds after it started it is over, and they run for the shadows.

Now I realize that my daily preparations were well worth my time. I had taken a crappy old wallet to Brazil for exactly such an occasion. I had only about 70R in the wallet and nothing else, no ID, no credit card, nothing. My credit card and ID are hidden in a secret little pocket that came with my khakis and is located right under my belt. I had $50 stashed in the cigarette box, to change at Help. And of course my belt itself has an inside zipper with $200 emergency cash folded up in it. So the robbers only got 10% of what they could have gotten out of me.

Three Brazilians come up to me and ask if I am OK. They say that they saw it all. I can’t blame them for not intervening. The older guy, in his late 50s I would guess, speaks very decent English. He has one 17 year old boy with him, and one mid-twenties. It turns out that the older guy supports a project to take boys off the street and puts them to real work, and the two boys who are with him are products of this project. They apologize in the name of all Brazilians; we smoke a cigarette together. The older guy insists he wants to pay for a coffee for me. So we go and have a coffee and talk. He is in the real estate business and gives me his phone number. Maybe I’ll do a deal with him in the future, who knows. After a half-hour of hanging with my three new amigos, I decide that the mongering lust has left me for the evening. I have the older guy talk to a taxi driver and ask him to drive me back to the hotel, then wait until I get the money from inside.

At the hotel, then do not let me charge cash to my account (I used to be able to do that 5 years ago). Instead one of the two guys at the front desk just gives me 10R from his own wallet, and I go and pay the driver.

All in all not a bad outcome. I have been in much worse situations, situations where I got hurt. So I have to count my blessings. I order room service dinner and a few brewskies, then go to sleep.

Breakfast at the hotel at 8 am, and everything looks different already. A fine –looking Varig stewardess is eating in uniform and by herself. Good: stewardesses speak English. There are three empty seats at her table, and I ask her if I can join her. Yes. Alright, I have nothing to lose here, I can just flirt. Her back is already packed and standing behind her. So I figure I can just practice my game on her. I invite her to dinner tonight. Easy to do, because I think I already know the answer: she will be gone. Indeed she declines. But then she says that she will come in too late from work for dinner. Would after-dinner drinks be OK? Yeah, baby!!! I love Rio!

Member #4156

10-10-05, 15:39

Euro,

What was your exact location and around what time was this?

Everywhere I went in Rio, I walked around with my wallet and all my credit cards and as I think about it now, I was getting away with murder. But I'll never do it again considering the fact what could've happened. However, I never felt threatened in Zona Sul.

The only time I felt threatened was the first time I took the Metro when I was suppose to meet my Brasilian friend at Saens Pena exit and I didn't get off until I reached Vicente De Carvalho somewhere deep in Zona Norte. Thats where I started thinking about all the tourist nightmares I've heard and anything valuable to me that a ladrão wanted he could've gotten it. There were no taxis around, no one spoke ingles, no attractive scenery nothing. I seen a couple of busses that were going to Meier which made me feel a little safer but I manage to keep my head up walking straight and act like I was from the area. I thought it was curtains for me that day.

Member #4156

10-10-05, 15:45

...If I wanted to take the Metro from Siquera Campos to arrive downtown to 4x4, does anyone know what exit get off?

Jaimito Cartero

10-10-05, 16:16

...If I wanted to take the Metro from Siquera Campos to arrive downtown to 4x4, does anyone know what exit get off?

I'm pretty sure you get off on Uriguyana. If you read Bubba Boy's section, I think it has the details in it.

Sorry to hear about your robbery. It sounds like you got off as easy as possible. I never carried a wallet when I was walking around Rio, though it probably would have been better to have something to give to them if I did.

I found that almost all the times I felt threatened were around Av Atlantica, within a block or two of Help. I always tried to walk in the open, with no places for people to jump out or such. I walked the 6 blocks to and from Help between 11pm and 3am many times. One of the first nights, there was one guy (that I saw) that made me a little nervous, so I jumped into a taxi.

After my shoe incident, I just decided that I would turn off of Av Atlantica as soon as possible. I never had problems on Lemos or other streets that would take me to NS Copacabana.

I found the general citizens very helpful when I was there. When I walked on the beach, and older lady warned me that there were thieves around. A couple of times, after buying something small, I just stuck money in my front pants pocket, or shirt pocket. After walking a few blocks, the bills started poking out, and people warned me about it.

Bubba Boy

10-10-05, 17:04

For 4x4, 65, 502 Uruguiana Station is the stop for you.
When the train stops you will get out on the right side of the doors.
You then go up the steps and again head to the right side exit stairs/escalator out of the station (there are signs saying "Rua Uruguaiana", follow them). When you go up the stairs exiting the station continue to walk straight ahead. The first street you hit will be Uruguaiana running perpendicular. Turn right at this point and cross the street. The next 3 streets, if you continue to walk to the right are listed below in order. You turn left off Uruguiana into each of them to get to a terma.
1) Rua de Alfandega
2) Rua Buenos Aires
3) Rua do Rosario
To go to Terma 502, take Rua de Alfandega, walk down about 200 yards and you will see the awning at number 65 on the right, just before a major intersection that is Av Rio Branco. Go up the stairs to grab a peice of ass.
To go to 4x4, take Rua Buenos Aires. Go down 200 yards and over the major intersection that is Av Rio Branco. 4x4 is another 100 yards down on the left and a must see when in Rio.
To go to Terma 65, take Rua do Rosario, go over the major intersection that is Av Rio Branco, it is about 300 yards down on the right.

Note how close they all are to each other. T502 is pretty quiet before 5.30pm and may be only worth a stop at this time for a quick drink. Entrance R10, cheap.
4x4 is best to get there just before 4pm. After 5.30 the place is a fucking Zoo. There are literally 150 people in a very small bar all pushing and shoving, however there are nice G string clad women walking around looking fine, hence the rewards are there.
T65, is a little more expensive and alot smaller than 4x4. The women are no better quality IMHO, but worth a look.

NB: If you are feeling adventurous, check out Buenos Aires 85 & 113, both are very close to the intersection of Rua Uruguiana & Buenos Aires on the righthand side of BA. They are safe, just not as sanitary as the big places. No entrance fee, you just stroll in take a look. Think 15minutes for about R20 of fucking, longer times will run just over R1 per minute. #113 is one level with about 20 women who walk around topless, saw a real cutie there recently. #85 is about 4 levels all connected by the smallest, dodgiest (is that a word?) staircase I have ever seen.

Bubba Boy

10-10-05, 17:13

I am in the process of updating my bubba report. The stuff below in relation to 4x4 is part of the new report hence I thought it could be usefull now. If anyone finds errors in my old report please send them. JC I know about your error and have corrected it.

I also got jumped a few nights ago on avinida atlantico. Luckily they had no weapons and we just started instinctively swinging (not really recommended but the look on their faces was priceless - pure horror!), they took off pretty quickly. Pretty much every problem I have had was on Atlantico. If you are approached by anyone on Atlantico there is a good chance you are about to get fucked. Ironically we were walking home last night at about 9.30pm -10.00pm , probably saw Euro100 walking in the other direction.

Euro100

10-10-05, 17:51

What was your exact location and around what time was this?

On Av. Atlantica, maybe a block away from the Rio International, at around 10 p.m.

I have walked all over the Zona Sul in previous vistis, at all hours of the night and day, alone, alone with a garota, or in groups. The only place I have ever gotten in trouble was on Av. Atlantica, Capacabana. I think we all know the reason: this is where the most tourists are, and these are the least careful people with the most money on them. And the little punks who rob the tourists know this, too.

euro

Routard

10-10-05, 20:08

Euro,

Excellent, excellent report! Nice to find you in this thread, as I'm used to read you in the FKK Thread.

Sorry to read about your incident.

I'm silently monitoring the Rio thread, as Brazil will be my next destination.
There are some excellent reports on this thread, like those from Bubba Boy. All the usefull information is available. But as you are here Euro, I dare to pop THE question I have in mind, and that makes me coming to Rio: what is best, Rio's Thermas, or Frankfurt's FKK?

Member #4156

10-10-05, 20:34

Euro100

10-10-05, 21:14

But as you are here Euro, I dare to pop THE question I have in mind, and that makes me coming to Rio: what is best, Rio's Thermas, or Frankfurt's FKK?
Routard,

you pose a very good question. And I am afraid that I have no answer. It depends on what your preferences are.

At an FKK, you definitely have more variety in the types and nationalities of girls. All of the girls are naked all the time. All (non-alcoholic!) drinks are free. The places are much bigger than the Rio termas, with better facilites - I am thinking in particular of the FKK World near Giessen. And between sessions you can find plenty of quiet places to withdraw and recharge.

As for the termas, there is much less sales pressure. Many guys come there just to drink and get some good groping in, but cannot really afford the sex. The entrance fee is much cheaper, but your drinks cost money. Of course, when a cocktail costs only 6 euro, you can drink all night. The Brazilian standard cocktail, the caipirinha, is only 2.5 euro at the termas, and so you can get completely drunk for less than what you pay to get into an FKK.

Entertainment: If you are into the music (hip hop dance) and you like it very loud, then the termas are cool. The girls seem to have more fun there than in an FKK. They dance and have a good time, laugh, scream sometimes, watch each other's strip shows with just as much interest as the guys. Also, you get much better girlfriend action at a terma. Almost always, after you are done fucking, the girl will leave you right away at an FKK. At the terma, they clean up and then join you in the boite for drinks, kisses, and so on. Of course, I have a much more limited sample at termas than I do at FKKs, but still, I also watch how girls behave with other guys.

Value: If you are not into extras, then it is about the same money that you pay at either place, roughly 50 euro per pop. But anal and CIM were always free for me at termas, whereas I have to pay for this at FKKs.

Bottom line: paradise either way; you cannot lose! Is this a great world we are living in, or what!

Happy mongering
euro

Jaimito Cartero

10-10-05, 21:39

Thanks Bubba.

I'm going to print this out.

Those taxi fairs continue to kill a brother like me. Never again though.

That's why this forum is so useful, to learn.

Remember that you can get the Metro bus for 2.25R that includes a ride on the Metro too. They have a dedicated bus stop on NS Copacabana. I think it's to the N of Lemos.

Also, many of the buses are good deals. I went to Sugarloaf on the Metrobus, but then had to pay another bus to get to the station. There was actually a bus that stopped just down the street for 1.8R or so that took me right by my apartment!

I rode on 15 or so buses while I was in Rio, and everything was fine.

Bronze Aussie

10-10-05, 22:05

Am somewhat a new poster to this site, but not new to RJ and Avenue Atlantico. Have been going to Brasil for 3+ years and next week will be my 12th trip. I usually stay at JW Marriott and have been known to favor Centaurus and HELP, Monte Carlo and Solarium, but have not been to L'uomo.

How would you compare the scene at L'uomo to Solarium (my personal favorite) - quality of the garotas, ambience, "little extras", GFE ?

Sorry to hear about the mugging and the shoe-shit scam. Have noticed over the past year a significant drop in personal safety in Rio, specifically on Avenue Atlantico. Nothing specific, just the old stories of packs of hoods roaming around HELP and Meia Pataca and down the seedier end at Mab's.

Best advice to all comers is to cab it around - even paying the ridiculous 20 real premium for a 2-5 real cab ride that the cabs will charge you outside HELP for a ride to your hotel on the strip.

It's scary to think how vulnerable I have been at times - smashed on Caip's, staggering back from a long day/night out at the beach or a club. Must be more careful now.

Shoe-shit scam is comical when it happens to someone else. Me and a bud were walking back from the beach and he got hit - beautiful pair of Italian leather loafers covered in green oily shit. Didn't notice until the little bastard came up and started pointing and waving at my friend's foot. We were wise to the whole deal and didn't pay up for the shine. My bud grabbed the little bastard and I thought that he was going to rub his head on his shoes. May not have been a wise move.

Bottom line is that trouble can and will find you in Brasil, but the same can happen to you in New York, London anywhere.

Rabbone1111

10-10-05, 22:22

i found that almost all the times i felt threatened were around av atlantica, within a block or two of help. i always tried to walk in the open, with no places for people to jump out or such. i walked the 6 blocks to and from help between 11pm and 3am many times. one of the first nights, there was one guy (that i saw) that made me a little nervous, so i jumped into a taxi.i am close to reserving an apartment on rua miguel lemos, a few blocks from help (so i'm told). is this a bad area to rent an apartment? should i stay somewhere else (ipanema perhaps) and risk getting raped by the taxi rides instead? what would you guys suggest?

will be traveling there for the first time alone (oct 20 -30)...

also would love to know who will be in copa around this time. feel free free to pm me.

i love this forum guys. keep up the great work.

Rio Bob

10-11-05, 01:26

On Av. Atlantica, maybe a block away from the Rio International, at around 10 p.m.

I have walked all over the Zona Sul in previous vistis, at all hours of the night and day, alone, alone with a garota, or in groups. The only place I have ever gotten in trouble was on Av. Atlantica, Capacabana. I think we all know the reason: this is where the most tourists are, and these are the least careful people with the most money on them. And the little punks who rob the tourists know this, too.

euro

Yes i had the same problem in that same exact spot but I was able to get away and run into the International hotel to catch my breath. Then I took a taxi to Help which is where I was walking to anyway. After I calmed down at the terraco atlantico and told some friends about my experience then it was business as usual. I don't walk anymore at night, always use cabs now and walk very quickly.

Rio Bob

10-11-05, 01:28

Breakfast at the hotel at 8 am, and everything looks different already. A fine –looking Varig stewardess is eating in uniform and by herself. Good: stewardesses speak English. There are three empty seats at her table, and I ask her if I can join her. Yes. Alright, I have nothing to lose here, I can just flirt. Her back is already packed and standing behind her. So I figure I can just practice my game on her. I invite her to dinner tonight. Easy to do, because I think I already know the answer: she will be gone. Indeed she declines. But then she says that she will come in too late from work for dinner. Would after-dinner drinks be OK? Yeah, baby!!! I love Rio!

If you didn't get mugged and made it to Help like originally planned then you wouldn't have been here to meet this lovely. Hope this works out for you.

Rio Bob

10-11-05, 02:16

Now I realize that my daily preparations were well worth my time. I had taken a crappy old wallet to Brazil for exactly such an occasion. I had only about 70R in the wallet and nothing else, no ID, no credit card, nothing. My credit card and ID are hidden in a secret little pocket that came with my khakis and is located right under my belt. I had $50 stashed in the cigarette box, to change at Help. And of course my belt itself has an inside zipper with $200 emergency cash folded up in it. So the robbers only got 10% of what they could have gotten out of me.

Great strategy, I usually bring an old wallet with me too to Rio . I looked for it the other day, it has expired credit cards in it(Don't think they will check the expiration day) Plus inside pocket for my real stash, never had to use it yet but after reading your post I think Im going to have to carry it around with me at all times with some cash in the pocket for them to think they really got something and they bolt quickly.

Bubba Boy

10-11-05, 03:32

I found this link on another website, it is a blog by a GDP. Its pretty interesting to read. (only in porto)

http://gatadeprograma.weblogger.terra.com.br/

Euro100

10-11-05, 06:18

Day 4, again at L’oumo. (I have just returned at 1:30 am, and I am writing this report, because I am too wound up to go to sleep. Plus, I know you are all waiting in front of your computer screens to see how the evening went ;) )

So far I had only been to Luomo when the girls were fully dressed. Turns out, this was a special occasion! Tonight they wear their uniform: white and black bathing suits. And, darn it, I’ll bet any money that in a direct competition against the Baywatch girls, the ones from L’uomo win hands down. It is a fine, fine sight to behold when you enter the boite and there are 20 girls in almost identical bathing suits on duty. And only 5 mongers by the time I enter at 7:30 pm! Yeah baby, that a ratio of 4 girls for every man; it just does not get any better than this unless you are some sheik with his own harem. And then I doubt that he has loaded it up with fine ass like this!

OK, my mission is clear: have great sex with QT and leave by the time the stewardess returns to the hotel at 11 or so. I think I remember that I really also wanted to do Ingrid and Bea, but it turns out that they are on their off night tonight. Good, that reduces the complications! I scan the place from my first location at the bar and spot QT. She is hanging out with a customer, waves shyly to me, but does not come over. OK, the consummate pro, fine with me. Now I am thinking that I have license to hunt. SO I take my time. With the present girl to guy ratio I can take all the time I want. Caipi and cigarette in hand, I get myself settled on a prominent spot on the counch. And scan. And scan again. A couple of very fine girls make a move on me, I invite them for a drink, but in my heart I know that they are not going to be it tonight.

I grab a bite to eat. Delicious soup chicken soup (almost Cajun in flavor) with mini baguettes. Then I return to the boite and spot … Kelly. She and Alex (thin tall blond girl) are dancing up a storm on the dance floor, with some kind of ass-grid competition. I sit at the bar and take in the scene. If I was wearing glasses, they would have fogged up. In my opinion, Kelly has the most perfect ass I have ever seen. And she can move it! I am telling you, this is poetry in motion! I would say she is about 5’9” tall, 25 years old, has a skin color on the lighter side of mulatta, black straight shoulder-long hair with red highlights, sparkling eyes, and a smile that just won’t quit. I am sitting there, mesmerized, just staring at her loins that move like nothing I have ever seen. Right then I should have known that I would blow off my date with the stewardess.

Of course Kelly knows that I have eyes only for her, and she really puts on a show for me. Yummy! Since I am stand-sitting on a barstool, she comes over and dances while trapping one of my legs between hers. And moves that hip. Oh, did I mention that she also manages to trap my member in the same move? Yup, yup, yup. So this goes on for more than three songs in a row. I then ask her name, which I promptly forget again. No wonder, all my blood is assembled in the dick right now, which she has expertly trapped between her thighs.

I am buying a drink, of course, Red Bull. Then comes the dilemma. I want to sit with her and get some couch action, but at the same time I do not want her to stop dancing. My groping instinct wins, and so we move to a couch, and do some of the most expert DFK that I have ever experienced. She comes off like this innocent playful teenager, but of course I know that I am dealing with a seasoned pro. Ten minutes on the couch, and all I can think of is “get a room”. Done! She vanishes to take a shower and change into this little white silk bathrobe. I also take a shower and brush my teeth, just to make sure. After 5 minutes I return to the boite and wait … for only about two more minutes; and then she returns, looking like something out of a movie with her hair put up and new lip gloss put on just so.

She gives me a covered BJ, and I don’t even think of asking her to do it without. No DATY from my side either, just the most tender GFE sex I have had in a long while. No Greek, but otherwise quite a bit of variety. You should have seen her nipples standing at attention! That really turned me on, and it turned her on to turn me on that way, I could see. The forty minutes just flew by, but I go the shot off just five minutes before the phone rang. We cuddled for the last five minutes, and it was some of the best GFE I ever had.

See, this is where the terma really shines. At a German FKK, it now would be good-bye. But not here! After showers, we met again in the boite, and again I beat her by about 2 minutes. When she returned in her uniform, her smile just lit up the room for me. We order drinks and then retreat to the sofa. And for the next three hours we kiss and fondle and hug and dance and sing (yes, sing! Suddenly I am a hip-hop fan. Go figure!) and drink. Kelly has absolutely boundless energy and dances up a storm, even while sitting between my legs. And you can imagine how that felt. I also get a very valuable Portuguese lesson, because I get to learn the words for kiss and ass and beautiful and perfect (that was an easy one, of course) and lips and … well, you get the message. It is becoming clear to me that termas are best for single-pop action. And then you savor the rest of the evening with the girl.

Kelly speaks about as little English as I do Portuguese, but we manage to set up a date for tomorrow (well, today by the time I am posting this).

And then it is closing time. So out I go. And when I turn the corner, whom do I see? QT who emerges from the back entrance (the one the girls use). QT is a pro. She realizes that she did not have time for me, and I had to do something else with my time. She is not mad at all, really sweet actually. Big relief on my side! Well, the dinner is still on for tomorrow. So this is going to be a bit of a logistical nightmare with two dates, but I’ll manage.

Jaimito Cartero

10-11-05, 06:51

i am close to reserving an apartment on rua miguel lemos, a few blocks from help (so i'm told). is this a bad area to rent an apartment? should i stay somewhere else (ipanema perhaps) and risk getting raped by the taxi rides instead? what would you guys suggest?

will be traveling there for the first time alone (oct 20 -30)...

also would love to know who will be in copa around this time. feel free free to pm me.

i love this forum guys. keep up the great work.

i personally would have no problem with renting in this area. just make sure that you don't carry much in the way of valuables with you. hide some money in your shoes (i did, until they threw shit on them, and then didn't transfer it to the new ones), split valuables up in different pockets, and don't have more than you can use in a night on you.

one important thing about an apartment is to have a good hiding place. the one i stayed in had a concealed safe. if you tore the place apart you'd find it, but it would take some real work.

you're probably 1-3 blocks away from help. i personally am a rather large guy, although i don't know that would make any difference. i basically tried to be alert, and be ready for anything.

you might want to do as euro suggested, and carry a "throw away" wallet. something with some small bills in. they have a lot of advertising that looks like money, perhaps fill a wallet with some $2r bills and some fake stuff that you can let them take, or throw at them.

when i went to vila mimosa, i left my cell phone, and brought $120r or so, plus my digital camera. i was nervous about the camera as well, but i like to take some pics.

finally, i think it comes down to using common sense. if it seems creepy, grab a taxi. when you come out of help, take a right, and go over near bob's. this avoids most of the touts.

personally, i think i'd try and get the phone numbers of garota's you like and see them in the late afternoon. much less bs this way.

Trippleecks

10-11-05, 13:16

Bubba Boy

10-11-05, 14:20

"#113 is one level with about 20 women who walk around topless"

Actually it is three. After going through the maze entrance and up the flight of stairs, you are on level one. In fact, if you go back to the staircase and go up, there is another level, and then another. No difference in quality or prices, but for only r$10, can't hurt to take a look. Every now and then something nice to be found. And if not, Skol is only r$2.
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James Howard sent me the above correction on 113. When I went there, I asked the security guy if there were more boites upstairs, he says "no just cabines" Hmmmm.

This reminded me when I was 18 and in Amsterdam. We asked the doorman outside how much entrance was and how much beers were. He says "G5 for entrance and G1 for a beer". Cool, we go in, order 4 beers and are presented with a bill of G12. We say "the doorman outside said beers are only G1 each". The barmans response "don't worry about him, he is paid to lie, that will be G12 please"

Euro: 2 dates from the same terma and you think they are cool about it...........Day5 will be an interestering read, can't wait.

Bubba Boy

10-11-05, 14:43

For all those worried about 4x4 being closed on Friday, do not worry, it was open yesturday. For the record the place had been renovated, new tables, new dance floor for the strippers and a slap of paint on the ceiling. Hence it probably was closed last friday just for renovations and not for any other political issues.

Sperto

10-11-05, 14:47

Splitting up your valuables does not usually work because if there are 4 or 5 of them going through your pockets it will not matter… they will search every pocket and your shoes and socks if the have the time.. which they usually do.
I prefer strapping a small soft purse, with a zip, to my underwear. It's easy to reach and it's not uncomfortable. If you stuck it well down, inside your underwear, nobody will notice. The same works with a small camera. I do it all the time.

Just leave a couple of reais in your pockets.

Euro100

10-11-05, 15:22

Since I was the beneficiary of a hold-up just a couple of days ago, I can tell you that these guys only took less than 10 seconds and went through all of my pockets. Splitting up your money in different pockets does not work. You need to have hidden pockets or a money belt.

Putting your money into your socks also may not work. I used to do this. But the very first hooker who approached me in Rio mad ethis her very first guess as to where my money was hidden. On the other hand, the robbers on the Copa did not bother to look in my shoes.

BTW, robberies are not just targeting tourists. The more locals I talk to to, the more horror stories I hear. Many people think that this situation is out of control. I am now walking less and taking more taxis.

euro

Exec Talent

10-11-05, 15:39

We may disagree about a lot of things on here, but I think we all can agree on one thing. We don't want to see anyone get robbed or hurt.

Please do not walk alone on Ave. Atlantico between Constante Ramos, Santa Clara and Figueiredo Magalhaes late at night. The blocks here are very long with limited restaurant activity which is why the thugs like them. There are not too many people and if confronted you have nowhere to go. You should take a taxi.

That said if you must walk, the street behind Ave Atlantico, Domingos Ferreira is safer with more activity.

Jaimito Cartero

10-11-05, 17:11

Jaimito Cartero ... I am beginning to wonder about you...
Rua Miguel Lemos is the street between Help Disco. and Meia Patacca........
Not a very safe place late at night ... especially in the corner building #8..

Splitting up your valuables does not usually work because if there are 4 or 5 of them going through your pockets it will not matter… they will search every pocket and your shoes and socks if the have the time.. which they usually do.

A concealed safe? As long as your stuff is locked inside it, it really does not matter if its bolted to the floor in the middle of the living room does it. I doubt if any of the girls is an experienced safe cracker…….

Well, you wouldn't be the first to wonder about me. :)

Every single problem (minor in relation to others posted here) has been in a one or two block distance from help near Atlantico. I had no problems anywhere else. I can only state what worked for me.

As for a concealed safe, there have been reports of guys getting drugged in their apartment, the key to the safe taken, emptied, and put back around their neck. If they don't know there is a safe it makes a HUGE difference.

Most of the safes I've seen in apartments or hotels would take 10 minutes or less to get into with normal hand tools. I'm employed in this field, so I don't think you're going to tell me you know more than me in this subject.

JustGotBack

10-11-05, 23:05

After all this time. Walking around at all hours in the area by Help. Carrying my camera and everything with me 24/7. It happen last night in Help. I was sitting there talking to a fellow monger and this ***** walks up and grabs my beer. She pours half of it into her cup and runs off. I don´t believe it. She tried doing it again when I got my next beer and I had to wag a finger at her. Seriously, I don´t think the area around Help is anymore dangerous then it´s been. I haven´t run into any problems and I walk or take the bus everywhere. I´ve never been in a taxi in Rio.

As reported here, 4x4 is open. The rumors of it´s closing were not as dire as reported. They closed to remodel. I was there at 2:15 yesterday afternoon and they were still pounding away with hammers. They sent me upstairs to the second boite. It sucked. The girls were just sitting around in the dark. Couldn´t see anything. They also didn´t have anything to drink. About an half an hour of that and I was ready to leave when an announcement comes over the PA. All the girls get up and leave so I decided to follow. The main boite is back in business. It´s much nicer than before.

I saw Angelica. 18 years old, blond, thin and very camera friendly. She was really concerned that her pussy lips were too big. I tried putting her at ease. 150 or so Reals. It´s a bargain as usual. I´ll post detailed reports later. Got to run to Luomo before the place gets too crowded.

Sunset

10-12-05, 01:46

Short Term Planning:

The downtown termases and clubs will close tomorrow, Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005. It's a holiday.

Long Term Planning:

There will be a free Rolling Stones concert on Copacabana beach on Feb. 18, 2006.

Mokai16

10-12-05, 05:25

I was also robbed near HELP in July. The area seemed safe during the day and night until late when the area is dark, the businesses closed and fewer people around. A gang of young black kids rushed me and grabbed at my pockets. I tried to push them away but two of them held my arms while the other grabbed my pockets. They took a small amount of money and an inexpensive watch, but my pant and shirt was torn open. The whole mess lasted 10 seconds. It is best to carry a modest amount of cash, no watch or jewery and use cabs late at night.

Sprite13

10-12-05, 05:45

Oi galera,

I am arriving in Rio this friday afternoon. I have been so anxiously awaiting for this moment for so long and here it is finally, within reaching distance. :)

Now, THE question:

What would you gents suggest as my "initiation" in Rio? Which terma would be the best place on friday afternoon? Which terma should have the honour of being my first ever? I have already read all of the great posts and guides by Bubba Boy, Euro100 and Young&Restless in the reports of distinction part, but I'm still kind of undecided. Choices, choices, life's tough sometimes, ne?;)

It will be my first trip to Rio, so if any of the Rio experts are there and would like to take me under their wing so to speak and show me around, I'd be truly grateful. First 3 drinks are on me!:) And I do speak portuguese and I'd be more than glad to help with the language. I have been reading these forums for over a year and I will gladly give back my due in the form of a detailed report, with pics needless to say it, upon return.

Cheers and CAN'T wait for Friday!

Rio Bob

10-12-05, 12:43

Day 4, Right then I should have known that I would blow off my date with the stewardess.

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Very interesting, you stood the Varig flight attendant up? I am very surprised, that sounded like it could be very interesting unless you sensed that it was just for drinks and no play.

Trippleecks

10-12-05, 13:40

Jaimito Cartero .... Of course there are more problems around Help Disco. That is where the money is.. No point for those little assholes to hang out around the subway entrance late at night, right? They hang out where the money is.... If you guys would simply remember to TAKE CABS AT NIGHT, you would have much less trouble in Rio.

As for the safes... anyone dumb enough to ware the key to the safe around his neck deserves to get robbed.... Jeeeeees what a moron..

If you stayed in apartments as many times as I have, you would realize that you will not usually find normal hand tools in the apartments. You’re lucky to have silverware in many apartments and the silverware in most apartments is so poorly made you would bend the knife trying to cut butter…. If you hide the key to the safe smartly you should not have too many problems..

ALWAYS BE VERY CAREFUL WHO YOU ALLOW INTO YOUR APARTMENT......

Sunset Strip

10-12-05, 16:07

I left my apartment yesterday and headed for Mabs. Before I got there 2 girls grabbed me and led me down the street to a little side restaurant on Princess Isabela across from the Rio Copa Hotel. They order a big meal and start eating. I give up and just start drinking beer as I had just ate on the flight. One of these girls was Isadora, who is now pregnant (not mine, although there was that one night..........). Before long 2 other girls join them. The tab was $R35, not to bad, but I did not even know 3 of the girls. And I only wanted to drink a few beers in Mabs as I had just gotten there.

Anyway, I finally walked to Mabs and the same 2 original girls sat down. Some European type (50sh in age) gave Isadora $R50 just because she asked for it. I bought the girls a few beers and then Luana, who is crazy refused to let me leave. Everytime I tried to talk to another girl she would come over and tell them something. I walked to the bathroom and one girl came too. I said "tudo bem" to her and she said something in reply that I took to mean "don´t try it." Basically I HAD to bang Luana or go someplace else. She is not bad looking and I know some of the money went to Isadora who needs it so I did it.

In the apartment she bled on the bed (I had not even slept in it yet, DAMN).There were other issues too, but in the end I would not advise dealing with her. She is too loud wild and brazen. She was grabbing guys´asses while she walked down the street.

Later I settled on Elizabeth who is brown skinned and quiet. She charged $150 for all night. It was very good.

By the way: Kezia, who I told you all about when I was last in Rio in June was in Mabs last night with a knee-length black dress and no panties. She called me over while I was with Elizabeth, raised her dress, and said "you like." Kezia is short and blond. I recommend her R$200 for 2 or 3 hours. You can get her to r$150. She is all you will need. I know you all understand that one girls shorttime is not the same as anothers. Kezia is what they call a freak in the hood. She likes this stuff. Plus she will take you to Brazilian-only private swing parties. Wild stuff for only R$70 for you and her!

TJ

Sunset Strip

10-13-05, 01:34

elizabeth came to my apartment at 8am and knocked like crazy. she was supposed to stay all last night but once she left to see her kids (two of them) i played sleep when she returned two hours later and did not let her in. she came early in the morning and really went crazy at the door and on the intercom. i stilled played sleep. i let her in when she came back at noon and she slept with me then. i fingered her and saw that she really gets wet! i mean real wet. i noticed it the night before but i was so drunk any pussy would have seen good and wet. i refused to have sex with her, so we went to mabs to drink.

afterwards, i tried to leave her at home so i could go to the miami peep show on avenida copacabana (it was closed anyway) but she refused to leave me unless she could stay at my place. she walked all the way from mabs to meia pataca with me and stayed there for over one hour with only one beer. nothing i said would make her leave. she has entered the pyscho zone now!
i, like many of you, come to brazil to get away from "balls and chains" not create new ones. i only wanted to see a peep show and then watch other guys chase the girls at meia pataca. but elizabeth would not let me do it. i told her i would call her and that at r$150 per night she had nothing to worry about. now she has spoiled it. she has created the situation she feared most; i cannot continue dealing with her.

i am going to mabs to find another girl. anybody else have any horror stories like this? i know one guy on here said her gives the girls "pyschological tests" before he allows them to go to his apartment. i should have.

p.s.

at meia pataca there is now a short blond named dalia in a short black dress who really wants to give somebody a bbbj.
and bianca, the white girl in jeans with curly black hair, standing by the taxis, is a good lay too.
both are r$150 short time, though you can get them down to r$100.

tj

Steve 99

10-13-05, 03:12

Anybody else have any horror stories like this? I know one guy on here said her gives the girls "pyschological tests" before he allows them to go to his apartment. I should have.
TJMy second girl in Rio this June was part psycho. It met her at Help tables outside. Had a good time with her. Went to sugarloaf with her next day then Ipanema. Then I ditched her and she got all upset. Next day she calls. I ignore her. Following day I go to Centro. Come back at 6:30 PM and who is in lobby - her. Had that Fatal Attraction feel to it. She continued to call and bug me next 5 days before I left. She still emails me to marry her.

Sunset Strip

10-13-05, 16:05

Steve 99,

I am getting the feeling I am in a similar situation. After making my last post I walked the block to my apartment alone. When I got there the security guy was standing outside. He had a weird smile on his face when he opened the door to let me in.

Fortunately I had decided not to pick up on the two girls at Meia Pataca, because guess who was coming to dinner? Yep, Elizabeth was sitting in the lobby. She also asked me in bed that night if I would marry her.
I asked her to leave but all she did was keep lowering the price until she got to R$100 for all night. I paid it but only had sex once.

It is now noon and she left about an hour ago. I showered, shaved, and am headed downtown to get out of Copacabana. This is only my third day here and she has managed to tag along with me every since she met me.

TJ

Euro100

10-13-05, 16:25

Very interesting, you stood the Varig flight attendant up? I am very surprised, that sounded like it could be very interesting unless you sensed that it was just for drinks and no play.

Rio Bob,

Yes, this sounded very intersting to me, too. But on the other hand, with someone like a stewardess you have to be careful. After all, she is guaranteed not to be a professional provider. So I don't know, drinks could really just mean drinks, or it could lead to sex, or it could lead to a situation where sex could follow on date three or five. Not a sure thing, as opposed to what I already had in L'uomo the same evenign with Kelly, with absolutely no additonal work required on my part. And, very important, there is also always a significant chance for emotional complications and heartache when you get together with a non-pro. I felt that in order to do this with this sweety of a stewardess, I had to be more serious than what I was capable of.

But I am just putting together a much longer post of my next day's adventure, and then you see that basically all of my calculations failed, and all my care was in vain.

Stay tuned
euro

Euro100

10-13-05, 17:10

let me pose a question at the beginning of this post: what is the most dangerous thing that a monger can experience while in rio? is it been ripped off by a taxi driver, is it getting shit sprayed on his shoes, is it getting diarrhea from the water (didn’t happen to me this time, but last time), is it picking up a garota at help that turns out to be a boy in drag later (never happened to me, thank god), is it getting robbed at knifepoint or gunpoint, is it getting drugged by your date and then cleaned out? or what? i’ll let you think about this question for just a few minutes and then try to answer it from my perspective at the end of this post.

i will mention some names and refer to some places and events from a recent series of posts that i made here. if you want to follow these threads, here are the posts in chronological order:

day 1:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=396321&postcount=1217
day 2:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=396588&postcount=1221
day 3:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=396822&postcount=1224
day 4:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=397085&postcount=1241

ok, after those preliminaries we can get started with day 5. as usual, the day really only starts once it is getting to be late afternoon. remember, the plan was first a quick pop with kelly and then dinner, hopefully followed by another all-nighter, with qt. so i manage to arrive at l’uomo at 5 pm … for my ‘date’ with kelly. after i get into the robe and into the boite, i see that kelly is already busy with another guy. so much for that part of the plan! now what?

i look around and see many familiar faces. strange, after only 4 days i have made contact with many of the girls, even though my portuguese is between “sucks” and “non-existent”. my favs know that they can come over anytime and i will buy them a drink. i don’t even ask what they want, i just give them the key, and they can pick at the bar. but the girls never abuse this, mostly buy water or juice, just occasionally a red bull. each day my drink tab has been less that 100r; and probably half of it is sucked down by myself. i smile a lot at the girls, and admire their dancing. they come over and rub their back sides against my dick. what more could you ask? life is good.

as i sit down at the bar, one of the girls comes over, laughs, motions to the ceiling at the back corner and waves her hands around wildly. that’s all - but i get it. she wants to tell me that the rodent on top of the dropped ceiling is not there any more.

looking back, i now see that i forgot that part in my report yesterday: i was sitting with kelly in the back corner of the sofas and doing the after-sex cuddle, when my gaze wanders to the ceiling. the ceiling at the boite is a dropped ceiling that consists of metal grates with distance of about 1 inch between the metal stripes. it serves to hold all the lighting and so on in place, and to make the room seem less high, while smoke can escape. and pretty much right above where kelly and i are sitting, i spot a little rodent, maybe 6 inches long, sitting on top of the grate. i look again, trying to find out what exactly it is, and kelly sees where i am looking. she screams, jumps up, makes me move. we sit down somewhere else. now this news spreads like wildfire through the ranks of the girls. most come over to the corner to check it out, scream, jump back, then laugh. through all of this the rodent does not move an inch. i go get a towel, want to catch the rodent, but the girls are all afraid and hold me down, preventing me from going after the rodent.

ok, back to day 5: kelly is busy, part one of my double-date plan is busted. i spot kate, who pronounces her name something like “haytsh”. it takes me several tries to get it; she actually has to finger-spell her name on my hand before i understand. but i get right away that i am attracted to her. one thing leads to another and we end up in a room. excellent sex! she is good at what she does, a complete pro. the contrast between her and kelly is stunning. both are great in their own way, though. another winner. kelly, by the way, comes over to kate and me after she is done with her guy, gives me a kiss, i buy her a drink. it all seems pretty natural; she sees i am with another girls, and she seems fine with it. kelly is just a really great and sweet girl. so despite having the first half of my plan shredded, this works out exceedingly well in the end, and i get to sample another dream girl.

well, time flies and i have to leave at 7:15 to clean up and make my dinner date with qt. since kelly reacted so well to me popping kate, i have high hopes that qt also will overlook that i went with kelly the day before.

qt arrives at my hotel all dressed up. a stunner, i already said that. i get to finally wear my jacket and tie, and off we go by taxi to the restaurant. i have made reservations at the new (new to me, at least) porcao location just beyond the praia de botafogo, on the north side of the sugar loaf. you have got to see this place at least once! it is a huge brazilian steakhouse, sitting right at the edge of the water, with great views of the bay, the sugar loaf. the food is out of this world. start with a fantastic salad bar. and then enjoy the endless supply of delicious meats that an army of waiters brings on long skewers, rodizio style. qt really seemed to enjoy the ambiance and the food, and i enjoyed qt enjoying it. plus, i really love the food, too. we have desert, and she picks some mixture of papaya mouse mixed in with vanilla ice cream for me, with some kind of red fruit liquor poured into it at our table. mind-blowing.

so, this is all going great. except of course, that we cannot really talk because of the language barrier. so we mostly exchange warm smiles or motion how delicious everything is. but still, this beats the hell out of eating alone. no matter what else happened on this day, i would definitely chalk this part of the evening up as a great success.

i pay; we take a taxi back to my hotel. i ask her, if she wants to come up to my room; she says 300r. !! :( !! talk about crash-and-burn! only then do i understand what she is telling me: you blew a good thing, buddy; you had me for free, but then you decided to pop someone else; big mistake, and now it’s back to business. i smile a little sad, indicate that i got the massage, give her one final kiss, pay for her taxi, and off she goes. so the all-nighter component of the second part of my plan got completely flushed, too.

ok, now what? the evening is still young, it is only 11! i go up to my room, call and ask at l’uomo how long they are open tonight. this is important, because closing time seems to change every day. tonight, until 2! yeah! taxi!

i am in my robe and at the bar at l’uomo at 11:15. right away i spot this absolutely gorgeous chick, best-looking in the joint. actually one of the prettiest women i have ever laid eyes on, no kidding. i don’t easily give out a 10, but this girl definitely qualifies. i had seen her on a previous day, but was no able to make contact. she is dancing in a way that makes my blood pressure go up 20 points easily. the pussycat dolls song that goes like “don’t you wish your girlfriend was hot like me? … don’t cha?” is playing. yeah, i wish! i am mesmerized. of course she comes over and does the backside wiggle against my dick thing, i buy her a drink, we chat. her english is quite a bit better than the other girls’. that another definite plus! and, sorry fellows, i am again withholding the name. read on, and you may understand. since i already have given cutie the qt alias, i am now going for sqt, super-cutie. (well, i gotta call her something!)

within the next half-hour, i become completely taken with sqt. remember my question at the beginning of the post, what is the greatest danger to a monger in rio? i think you are beginning to understand where i am going with this.

of course we go to a room. just like i hoped, we have great sex. the 40 minutes are suddenly over, though, and i still have not finished. sqt gives me about 10 min extra, no charge. but also no use. fuck, i am over-stimulated from all of the mongering in the last few days.

we clean up, go back to the bar, have drinks, smooch. then i make my fatal mistake: i ask her if she wants to come to my hotel. and she says yes. you fellows may be asking now what the fuck i am talking about, this is going just right. but read on!

i get sqt’s cell number (again cloak-and-dagger – this must really be a no-no at l’uomo), go back to the hotel at 1:30, arrange a discreet non-registering entry to the hotel for sqt with the night desk guy. he wants 30r under the table. that serves both of us well, because it keeps the second person off my official bill. no traces! plus it would cost more than the 30r if i had to register her, change my room status to a double, and buy her breakfast buffet through the official channel. but most of all i don’t want this demeaning *****-registration for sqt when she arrives.

sqt arrives by taxi at 2 am, and i am waiting for her outside. a couple of minutes before, a small bus has brought back a group of 5 japanese guys, and each of them has scored a hook. all five girls are now filling out their registrations and have to show id. sqt and i walk right past this commotion, i wave to the night desk guy, he waves back. sqt is impressed, and she has gotten the message: you are special, a girlfriend that belongs with me, not some gdp.

so, amazingly, even though almost all parts of my plan for the evening have collapsed, in the end it turned out better than i could have hoped. i would say that this nightcap was the highlight of all my rio experiences thus far during this trip. completion is not a problem this time, not for her either. we have sex, talk about all kinds of things, most of it very private and intimate, doze off a bit, have sex at dawn, doze off again. we have breakfast at 10, then go up to the rooftop and hang out by the pool. i send her off with a taxi to her apartment at just about noon, after having made plans for our next date.

so there you have it, that’s the most dangerous thing that can happen to a monger: he ceases to want to be one and only wants to concentrate on one girl. :) had you going there for a while, didn’t i. you probably thought she drugged me and ended up cleaning out my safe ;)

i don’t know how the next three days in rio will go, but i know whom i will want to spend them with. i am getting into very deep water here, i know, perhaps more than i can handle. and all along i pretty much know that there will be no richard gere – julia robert – pretty women happy ending for us. instead i could end up hurting her and this will hurt me. so this so-called “freebie” may end up costing me a hell of a lot in emotional damage in the end. but i cannot help myself; this just feels too right. and why play with fire in the first place, if you cannot stand a burn here or there?

i don’t think there will be further posts from my side for the remainder of this week. after all, i have given up the mongering for now. (at least by my definition) who knows, perhaps for a long time? wish me luck!

oh, and one more thing: every girl i have met at l’uomo and gotten to know a little better always ends up being a really fun person. no exception! they have a pretty tough job, but they don’t act like hardened providers. instead they act like they are girls who want to have fun, and who are still looking for mr. right. and they don’t just act that way … they also think that way about themselves. my guess is that this is what makes l’uomo so successful in the end. it really pays to invest a little effort and time to discover this; and you can do it without any portuguese. if you treat these girls like hookers, you will get one, a very competent one, i might add. but if you give them the feeling that you are looking for the fun person inside of them, there is a chance you’ll get better mileage out of them. then there is a universal truth about any women: no matter how fine they look, they always see themselves as needing improvement. so go ahead and say the obvious to these stunners, over and over again: baby you are beautiful! você é bonito.

by the way, i am not just going to buy sqt out of her l’uomo contract for the rest of my stay. i am having too much fun in there, and my setup is pretty cool. i have sunk something like $500 into l’uomo over the last few days, but it has paid off big time. money for a single pop is a very good salary for a day for any of these girls, and they can afford to hang with you and not look for other clients. and i find that if you treat them right, they will be sweet to you. one of the coolest moments came when i am sitting on the sofa last night with sqt draped all over me, and i am just gently fondling her. kelly comes over, sits on my other side, gives me a pecker on the check, starts dancing in her seat. at the next table is kate, and i wink at her. she says “i like you, baby” and smiles. if there is a heaven, i want it to be just like this.

a few posts ago i was asked to compare rio’s termas with frankfurt’s fkks. then i answered:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=396941&postcount=1233
i want to change this answer. for me personally it is now becoming clear: at least this little terma, l’uomo, wins hands down.

Full Throttle

10-13-05, 17:22

Is no day of the week safe from a holiday in Brasil??

First day back in 4 years, and all of the downtown termas were closed. On the bright side, the beach scene was awesome. Beautiful weather, nice temp, thousands of people enjoying the day. So funny to see mother and daughters wearing matching thongs. They just 'get it' here.

I found Luomos really enjoyable, despite a rather unfavorable ratio of girls to guys. In fact, several left because they weren't getting enough femle attention. For me, it was perfect. I spent a bunch of time hanging with a sailboat racer from Australia, and some time with a guy from Miami who is an OK Sooner fan. Both lurkers on here, I believe.

Anyway, it was strange having to make an effort to get with the girls. I contracted with an absolute beauty. Speaking of that, nearly every girl there was imminently doable, with several at or near the very top end of the chart.

Another advantage to the crowd was the waiting time between reserving a room and getting it. Typically, it took about 30 minutes, during which most couples made out and fondled each other. My girl, for whatever reason, didn't seem that service oriented during our wait. She smoked a cigarette, and talked to other girls while I rubbed her neck and other things.

So, I got up, went to the front desk and canceled my room reservation. I went back and told her that I decided to choose someone else. It was a classic moment, as she seemed shocked. I thought about a variety of excuses, but I settled on the truth that I didn't think she would be as good as some of the other girls. It turned into a funny game for the rest of the evening, as she would do really sexy things whenever she was close by.

I eventually chose the Aussie's first girl, as she seemed genuinely sweet. What a fantastic choice. She loved dfk and fondling in the main room, and had my d**k in her mouth before I had the door closed in the room. A fantastic 40 minute session. I finished at 34 minutes and she insisted on giving me a massage for the last 6 minutes, waiting until the phone call came.

Spent another 30 minutes showering and relaxing. The total cost was around $$R240 for everything, which included 5-6 beers and the buffet dinner, which was surprisingly good.

Off to 4X4 in 2 hours.

Sorry no names. My brain simply flushed them. I'll do better today.

Hey Bubba: THANKS!

FT

Fido Dido

10-13-05, 19:00

I once had a kind of simular experience as "Full Throttle" at Luomo.

I was there late on on a sunday night. Not much to do in Luoma and not such a good quality.

One of the girl was pretty "enthousiastic" towards me even after I rejected her once. So after some time I decided to go with her to one of the rooms.

When we arrived in the room she started to become very bossy. "You can't do this, you can't do that". Blablabla.

So just after 5 minutes I went away.

Didn't have to pay for her.

Regulr Travlr

10-13-05, 19:02

Euro

Very interested to see how your final 3 days turn out. Not a "blow by blow" but your thoughts on concentrating on one girl when so many more are readily available. This is always a tough decision which I usually don't make. I am forever a grass is greener kind of guy. Sometimes I am wrong and regret it.

Mmafan

10-13-05, 19:33

I'm going back to Brasil in Nov and wonder if this girl Nycole is still there! L'oumo I was with her back in July and May went by Nycole. She is darker skinned, speaks great english, and wears those grey contact lenses, and has a bit of acne scars on her face. Anybody know if she is still there?

Macunaima

10-13-05, 19:40

Euro, thanks for a very interesting post.

I've said it several times here, but many guys just do not want to believe it: every pro on Copa knows she can get far more out of girlfriend situation than she can out of a straight trick. So if you WANT to fall in love, you will find absolutely no lack of takers.

No girl is born a pro. Long before they start turning tricks, they've already learned all they need to know about being a girlfriend. Believe it or not, it's quite easy for them to flip back and forth between roles and it's a good thing, too, because being a gringo's GF can bring MAJOR bennies.

In the first place - and especially if the guy is European - an invite to his home country is not at all out of the question. If all goes well, fine: she's out of the biz and retired on someone else's dime. But what happens if the relationship goes sour? No biggie: she just starts turning tricks in Europe where she can make more cash.

Secondly, unless the guy is very streetwise (for Rio) and speaks good Portuguese, there's no reason why said girl should stop turning tricks while she's in love. You found her in a termas, after all. So she can say "Look, honey, this is my job. You know what I am. I can't give it up just to make you feel good. Unless, of course, you're willing to make it worth my while..." If you PAY her to drop hooking, she might. Then again, she might be back on the strip 15 minutes after she drops you off at the airport with an appropriately tearful goodbye. How are you going to know from your flat in Chelsea?

Third, and finally, there are very, very few gringos who give their GFs nothing at all and even fewer professional girlfriends who'll stick around for more than a few days with a gringo like that. Even Exec Talent, who seems to feel he's some sort of major player in a game which only he can "win", admits to slipping money into his "girlfreinds'" pockets after a nice session. And then there're shopping sprees, food at expensive restraunts, trips, days at the beach, presents, etc. etc. etc.

Given all this, investing in a boyfriend doesn't put much of a crimp in a girl's style or cash flow: all it can do is improve it. So why wouldn't a smart gdp occasionally toss a freebie at a likely looking lad?

Look at it from an economic standpoint: all she gives up is the POTENTIAL earnings of one trick. Typically, that's anywhere from 100-300 reais. Most gringos will blow that amount of cash on their GFs in one night on the town, easy. So giving out a freebie to a lonely looking guy costs the woman nothing and can pay back BIG TIME.

So does it mean that these women are all a bunch of lying bitches? Not necessarily. But one thing is for VERY sure: an ocasional freebie which nets them a boyfriend, even a temporary one, is a very economically rational thing for them to do. It is hardly a "sacrifice" which these women are making against their better judgement or "proof" of how much they love or are attracted to you.

This is the bottom line behind all those marriage offers, trips to see relatives and tearful declarations of love you are getting, gentlemen. In general, Brazilians are MUCH better at channeling their emotions to productive ends than anglo-americans and when it comes to Copa pros dealing with mongers on a lark, there's absolutely no contest.

So why should anyone care?

I certainly don't. But seeing the constant griping many men here engage in about "selfish" American and European women who are "only out for themselves", it makes one wonder, then, why so many of these guys end up falling in love with Copa prostitutes who are well and truly, without a doubt, only out for themselves.

There's a reason why Brazilians call these women "piranhas", gentlemen. Caveat emptor.

A little story...

A couple of weeks ago, we're out in front of Balcony, eavesdropping like anthros usually do. At the table across from us there are three very drunk gringos and three gdps. As per usual, the men are all speaking among themselves in English while the women chatter away in Portugese. After awhile, my research partner, Silvia, starts up a conversation with one of the women. It doesn't take more than 15 minutes before the woman in question is telling Silvia about how her gringo date is a "cheap con-of-a-*****" who just wants sex for nothing at all "so he can feel like he's a big-shot pimp". She'd been with the guy for almost 48 hours and all he'd bought her is endless shots of tequila, which was fun at first. However, the woman said "I need to pay my bills next Monday and this jerk doesn't look like he's going to come up with anything. So I'm taking off to Help". About an hour later, she got her stuff together and said goodbye to everyone at the table, very cordially.

"Where're you going?" asked the guy. "I though we'd be going back to my hotel?"

"I need to go home, honey," the woman said in English. "And I told my roomate I'd meet her when she got off work. But call me tommorrow, OK? We'll go out."

And just before she blows down the orla, she bends over and whispers to Silvia "You're welcome to him if you want to give him a try".

Later, the gringo in question kept bragging to his mates about how he was just knocking 'em off their feet here in Rio.

Ah, true love.... Must be the spring in the air.

Mmafan

10-13-05, 19:52

I'm going to Rio in Nov and wondering if this girl is still at L'oumo. She went by Nycole, is dark skinned, good english, wears those grey contact lenses, and has some acne scars on her face when you see here close up. I saw here in May and July and wonder if anyone knows if she is still there? Trying to plan my time.

Mmafan

10-13-05, 20:26

RonnyRon

10-13-05, 20:37

Macunaima,

In your opinion, who in this contest won? He was with her for 48 hours, which mean they probably had sex, although she didn't admit that to Silva and he only bought her drinks. Sounds like this guy did pretty good. On to the next one, no? I am not flaming, but what is your point? Would she have even received that from most Brazilian guys who knew she was GDP?

IMHO the problem is that over the last couple of years too many Americans have visited Rio with just the attitude you described. They say "it's only $100.00 dollars", but what they don't realize it that is a lot of money. The girls have gotten use to it now and they have come to expect it. I will not do it. I guarranty you in the coming 2 years you will see a major drop in sex tourist coming from American to Rio and things will adjust. It's supply and demand, coupled with the fact that everything we do at home, now cost more. Like driving our cars.

RonnyRon

Comgo

10-13-05, 21:01

Mac,

I agree with what you're saying in principle, but I didn't see it in my limited experience. I'm not sure what you guys are doing to get freebies and gfe(beyond sex) with these girls since with some of these girls some of you can't even talk properly with them (they don't know very much English and you don't know very much Portuguese). I didn't really experience any of this, no girl tried to become my gf or give me freebies. The girls I saw all wanted money and left even a bit early sometimes. When they were with me, it seemed obvious to me that all their affection was an act for me. I thought I treated them nicely, got them drinks, and took care of my hygiene (teeth brushed/showered/etc.). I even speak Portuguese somewhat (I can have a conversation just not an intricate one). Maybe because I always brought up price before anything happened and some of you seem to let it slide until later, that's making a difference. Let me know how you guys think you're getting in these situations.

Macunaima

10-13-05, 22:49

Ron, in my opinion the idea of "winning" or "losing" in something like this is pretty damned stupid. But seeing as how you ask...

In the first place, it was very clear that they had sex. The woman was self-admittedly a pro - at least to Silvia - and not some blushing virgin afraid of her reputation.

The woman was willing to risk a day or two of her life on the possibility that the guy was a good bet for a boyfriend. But as the story I told points out, she was already hard at work trashing this particular man's reputation. He was going to find it increasingly harder and harder to get anything for free and as his rep as a "safado" grew, women were going to be taking a harder edge in negotiating with him. I mean, if you're the average pro and well informed about who's in Help on a given night (and believe me, the women trade notes EXTENSIVELY), who are you going to go for, the safado that your friend has already alerted you to or that new gringo over there in the corner that no one's been with yet?

Finally, if anyone was on the make for a decent mark for a scam and were to ask that woman, she'd probably point this particular guy out if she got a chance.

So I'd say the woman didn't LOSE anything: she just didn't cash in as much as she could have, though she also had to know that that was a distinct possibility going in. Sex is a comodity to a pro. She's willing to give out a few free samples, like any good businessperson, if she thinks it'll hook a steady prospect.

The guy, however, got some free sex at the cost of having his name put on the "safado's list". That, too me, is a pretty significant loss. These are the kinds of guys who are liable to wake up in a gutter one fine morning with the pockets turned out going "What happened last night? I don't remember anything beyond that last caipirinha..."

Now, you say that "I guarranty you in the coming 2 years you will see a major drop in sex tourist coming from American to Rio and things will adjust." I agree. However, I'd say that the recent drop in the dollar will have FAR more to do with that than anything else. Monitoring this board, one can clearly see that the bitching about prices started big-time as soon as the dollar started into the toilet. Whether or not the girls bring down their prices in response will have more to do with how the Euro reacts. Believe it or not, but Yanks are still a minority market down here - a significant minority, but a minority nonetheless.

Furthermore, what this has to do with anything mentioned below is not quite clear to me. It wasn't that the girl was asking TOO MUCH: she wasn't asking anything. It's that the guy wasn't giving her gifts or treating her like a girlfriend, as she hoped. She thus shoved off to greener pastures and a more direct kind of prostitution. And the guy in question was clearly expecting a rematch with his "friend" later in the trip. I'd lay dollars to donuts that he didn't get it unless a) business was really slow or b) he promised the girl some pretty big bennies first.

Giving a guy a freebie like this is like shooting craps or buying a lottery ticket: one does it because one might win big. The only difference, based on what I've seen, is that a woman who gives out a freebie has a much higher chance of getting SOMETHING in return than a girl who buys a lottery ticket.

Exec Talent

10-13-05, 23:24

I just felt a big gust of wind and suddenly it smells in here.

Euro100

10-13-05, 23:36

Macunaima,

thanks for your advice, which I take to be friendly one. I have seen that you have been in flame wars with a bunch of guys here before, and I do not think that I want to add to that. We can have a friendly chat, of course, and so I will state my position here. Then we can iterate a couple of times, if you want.

So here goes: I am not new to this business, have mongered all over the planet and actually many times in Rio. But that before I knew of this forum, and so that's why I have not posted extensively in this part of the forum before this week.

Rio termas were new to me before this trip, and I am eternally grateful to Bubba Boy who's reports got me to look at L'uomo. Having sampled many providers and amateurs in Rio, I know that the girls in L'uomo are pros, but not of the low-life kind. I had a street hooker even steal my aftershave from my hotel room; but I know that would never happen if I take a L'uomo girl back to my hotel. With them I feel completely safe to avoid registering them at the front desk, which I know removes a major safety net under me.

Yes, of course, I know that the dinner at Porcao with QT set me back more that what I usually have to pay for sex. But who the fuck cares? I wanted to go there to dinner at any rate, and going with her made it just so much more fun for me.

Yes, I know of course that the girls in L'uomo compare notes and talk behind my back, just like they do with everybody else. But I am treating them right, I am assuming that they will have only good things to say about me, and they all treat me back the same way. Good. Actually, I think that this feedback between girls really helps me, because I am a nice guy, and it can't hurt if word of that gets around :) .

Yes, I know that QT perhaps tried to play me and that SQT may be doing the same right now. But why in the world would I care? This is right out of a fantasy for me, and so that's fine. Perhaps she is faking, perhaps not. In the end I do not really care. If I end up spending $200 per day on SQT for the rest of my days in Rio, and if after I leave she then turns around and gets fucked by a horse, that does not change at all that I had just a fantastic time with her.

Money is way too important in your thinking. I have enough of it to afford this; and even if I spend at this rate to create this thing, and it turns out to be an illusion, so what? My average marriage has cost me way WAY more per day than I would ever spend on SQT. Do you think that movie or rock stars' groupies are just smitten by the guys, and that's why they let them fuck them? No, of course not. In every relationship there is an implicit calculation towards an intended outcome. Money most often plays a role, but often only in the long run, not right away.

Off course I so not have the illusion that I come riding in and a girl who has been a hooker for 5 years suddenly becomes reformed because of me. On the other hand, I have been mongering for a decade, and who is to say that I can give it up in the long run? We take our chances.

But here is the minimum outcome: I am treated like a KING at L'uomo and in particular by SQT. If you were there two night ago and saw how Ingrid did her strip seemingly just for me, taking her clothes off and giving them all to me, you would have realized that just this little episode was a monger's dream. We go to find adventure, hoping for more. If it costs money, we can life with it. If it doesn't work out, we need to be ready to move on. All of business works like this, why not this one?

Take it easy, I know I will
euro