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James Howard
10-13-05, 23:42
All the bantering which results from Macunaima's egotistic point of view somehow manages to obscure posts that actually have value and significance.
As much as I appreciate such informative reporting as that of Senhor BubbaBoy and Young&Restless, I very much enjoy reading posts such as the latest postings of Euro100's adventures at everyone's favourite little terma, L'uomo. How you combine useful info with interesting personal commentary really makes for a fun read.
Hope all goes well with SQT and yourself. There's always going to be downers like Macunaima who will say she loves your wallet more than you, but it's not really living if you don't take chances with these things. Money is only money, after all, and in itself can only bring you a very empty happiness. Your situation isn't the worst thing at all that can happen to a Rio visitor, there's nothing wrong with falling in love. Make the most of your last days in Rio, but I'm sure you'll be back in no time.
Your humble admirer,
James Howard
Houston Player
10-13-05, 23:44
Equally nice post Euro. With an attitude like yours you can't lose.
I was a little concerned for you after your post about your date with SQT but after this post I'm sure you will be fine.
Hi Guys,
I am getting pleanty of private messages today, most of which have two themes: 1. best wishes with my adventure; 2. who are the two girls. So I am answering them all here at once:
1. Thanks, I really appreciate all of this good will.
2. Sorry, I never divulge things that I promised to keep a secret. So even if SQT ends up fucking me over in the end, I will still keep my word.
best
euro
Actually, I have been thinking more about why I am going down this road with SQT. And I believe that what I have said so far does not really capture my motivation.
First of all, I really think that there is a decent person hidden in most of us, and that if you show kindness to another person, this person more often than not will respond in kind. And I say this with all seriousness. No shit! I just cannot understand how Macunaima always assumes the worst motivation in people, if they have been prostitutes for a long time. I believe that a lot of them would jump at the chance to leave this business, if it was for the right guy.
But that is really not it alone either. Mongering is more than just about chasing meaningless sex. Many of us, I think, understand that it becomes so much more meaningful, if some real emotions are involved. We need to feel connected on a deeper level than just sharing a condom. If you want to call it love, that’s fine to me. Love comes in many shapes and in many degrees of artificiality.
So if I am offered a chance to break through the surface and get a possibly deeper connection with a girl that I could fall in love with, then I am going to go after it. Even though I realize that chances that this may turn out with a happy ending are slim, perhaps even because of the small odds.
I don’t know if you are a poker player. But if you are, you know what I will describe now. In poker, you can have a long time of fun without losing too much money, if you always restrict yourself to small bets, if you never bluff, and if you only bet heavily on “sure” hands. But after you have played poker for a long time, you realize that this is also a sure way of losing, the only difference is that you lose slowly. At that stage you get bored with this strategy. Because deep down inside you realize that you can only really feel alive and get the biggest thrills when you go all in, even if you have only a marginal hand. Only then does your heart start pumping.
It’s the same here: I am a bit tired of collecting as many pops as I can in the “Wham, Bam, Thank You Ma’m” mode of operation. I want more excitement with bigger stakes. Yes, I know that I only have a slim chance at success, but exactly this makes me try harder, feel more alive. I am pushing all my chips to the middle of the table. Now let’s see what you got, baby; the game is on!
OK, gotta go. My pile of chips (SQT) is waiting right there in the middle of the table. (Well, actually she is getting ready to go out with me and is right next door in my bathroom). And I still believe that I have a hand that is plenty good!
euro
El Austriaco
10-14-05, 02:49
Sorry Macunaima, terribly busy here on my end, and I apologize for taking a while to respond to your post. Like always, it's been interesting to read.
Austriaco, you have a nice theory, but in my experience, it simply doesn't pan out.
Let me restate my theory:
1. Free sex is hardly ever really free.
2. There is no need to feel morally superior to people who pay for sex directly because, indirectly, we all pay for sex.
3. There is no need to feel more manly than people who pay for sex directly, because, indirectly, we all pay for sex and some people, like me, might just prefer to pay directly as matter of CHOICE rather than NECESSITY.
Guys here are paying 80-300 reais per sex act. You SERIOUSLY think that that's what it takes to get a woman into bed here? If that was the case, then how, exactly, do Brazilians ever manage to have sex, with 80% of the country making less than 1000 reais per month?
When did I ever say that it would take that much money to get a Brazilian into bed here? What I said was that the free sex you refer to isn’t really all that free when you add up expenses, the time you spend to hunt down girls, wine them and dine them. Add to that the CONVENIENCE of picking a girl 24/7, indulge into my whims as to looks etc. etc., and I personally, prefer to pay to get exactly what I want. That’s all I said.
Plus, I think we both know that paying up to 300 Reais is really extreme, and that there are so many cheaper options available in Rio, though not necessarily all in Copacabana. And those are the places where the Brazilians go. So it's not exactly like Brazilian men are soooooooooooooo against paying for sex, either. I know, and I know you know.
I've been married almost four years now, so I'm no longer cruising singles joints. But back when I was single, it didn't ever cost me 300 - or even 80 - reais to get some sex. And no, it's not been my experience that it's either "pay for play" or solid, mutual monogamous relationships with women you can't stand. Here in Rio, there are plenty of women who're looking for what I'm looking for: a good time with a nice person that maybe - but not DEFINITELY - might possibly bloom into something else.
You use the right term – “bloom into something”. Well, what if I don’t want it to bloom into anything? What if I just wanna have great sex, no strings attached. Even more importantly: what if I don’t want a relationship, but she then wants it to bloom into something? That is EXACTLY the kind of headache I seek to avoid by paying for it directly. For my ability to walk away from it with peace of mind.
Something is puzzling to me. While you write that "it's not been my experience that it's either "pay for play" or solid, mutual monogamous relationships with women you can't stand", somehow, the concept that chasing women for "free" that I greatly enjoy and occasional P4P is also not mutually exclusive and that one might actually enjoy both for their respective advantages seems to elude you. And it's not even that uncommon, I think, that one and the same person might enjoy doing both from time to time. Does best of both worlds come to mind? And as other posters have also pointed out, at times, the borderline between the two may become very blurred indeed.
Outside of the Copa pay-for-play strip and the Ipa gringo chaser bars, you'll find plenty of sexually active women in this town who are not going to bed with men because they are on the make for a husband or wnat to squeeze him for cash. In fact, Rio and SP are incredibly easy cities to get laid in for free.
No quibbling with that statement. I do think, though, that you still don’t fully understand, or simply prefer to disregard, what I was trying to say, considering that you're not stupid. I was saying that, for a number of reasons, in certain situations, not always, mind you, I prefer to pay. I put it as a matter of CHOICE, but you continue to paint all people who do P4P as people who do it out of pure NECESSITY. Have I met women like the ones you describe? Sure have. Have I been hit upon by some? Sure have. But again, for me it’s a matter of CHOICE. As I said before, I might actually enjoy chasing women to get it for "free". Just knowing, though, that it's not exactly free.
OK, perhaps not for "free" - but for the cost of a few beers, some chatter and maybe a movie. What, 20 reais? And you might be suprised to know this, but there are also plenty of women in this city who EXPECT to go "halvsies" on dates. They are professionals with decent jobs and they really aren't interested in getting their hands on a man's money any more than you are interested in getting your hands on a woman's. They want something else out of their men and their wants are at least as complex as ours are.
OK, so you agree that free sex isn’t really free, strictly speaking about money. You again use a key term to make my point by saying that “They want something else out of their men and their wants are at least as complex as ours”. My question here: what if I just don’t want to deal with their wants as complex as mine? What if, occasionally, I just wanna have unrestricted, unbridled, great sex? Again, this is the CONVENIENCE of P4P.
As for your expat friend... Well, given his commentary, I'd lay dollars to donuts that he spends most his time with other English speakers and probably prowls the orla for dates. I happen to know many long-term gringos in this city who work as English teachers, professors, social workers, artists, musicians and what not. Not professions known for their huge cahs flow. These guys don't seem to have any trouble finding folks to sleep with in spite of their lack of cash.
Don’t worry about my friend, I’ve seen him pick up 19-25 non-pros left and right. So I'd leave the donuts and dollars right where they are.
Anyhow, you seem to assume, without directly stating it, that my friend is 1. relatively rich by Brazilian standards, even compared to your despondent expatriate gringo friends, and 2. that he is paying outrageous Copacabana rates for P4P. While I am not sure about (and frankly, not interested in) his personal finances, this is a guy who stopped paying Copa GDP rates years ago and hasn't even mongered there in a while. So no prowling on the orla for him.
In another, more recent post below, you stated that for a GDP, giving up a freebie to a guy is more like buying a lottery ticket which might actually get her to hit the jackpot, i.e. a foreign boyfriend who might just take her away. You stated that compared to the potential payoff, the freeby virtually costs nothing. I think that this EXACTLY what my expatriate friend was trying to say to me at the time, considering the circumstances where that conversation took place at that time (in Copacabana at Veranda sobre as Ondas), and the probability of getting to know "regular" Brazilian women there (none to minus zero).
But again, based on your response, I think that you committ the same mistake again by assuming, like you always do, that going to Rio as a foreigner and paying for sex somehow makes you a loser per se. By not sufficiently accounting for the individual circumstances of people (first time, no Portuguese skills, no experience beyond Copa, no regular Brazilian friends), and by not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt. You appear to be stuck on your theory of "Whoever pays does so because he can't get it otherwise" by selectively overemphasizing pieces of information to suit your theory (like the high rates paid, etc).
Regarding your cash-stricken gringo acquaintances: how do you know they don't do P4P, too, from time to time? They sure can, since it doesn't take 300 Reais to get laid in Rio, as we both know. Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't tell you about it. Who would wanna be called a loser?
The problem doesn't seem to be cost equivalency, Austriaco, but CONVENIENCE. To return to our metaphor, there is PLENTY of free milk in Rio de Janeiro, but you can't always get it precisely when you want it and you have to let the cow choose you as much as you choose the cow. Reading people's posts here and talking to mongers, I gather that a big part of the thrill of mongering is knowing that you can pretty much have any woman you want who's available in a place like Help, if you're willing to pay the price. That's not the case in a normal singles' bar: the woman has got to want you, too, and you have to present yourself in a way that's going to make her want you.
I think I've already commented sufficiently on the convenience of P4P, so I don't have to repeat it here, though I will address the cost aspect of it. Cost is a fairly flexible term, Macunaima. You can only look at the out-of-pocket expense, but that would be short-sighted, I believe. As you rightfully say, it’s about CONVENIENCE, and convenience is worth something. Accordingly, the LACK OF CONVENIENCE is definitely an expense - for me, and probably for others, too. And again, based on individual circumstances, that opportunity cost might be higher for some than for others. Going to Rio on a five-day trip and trying to start and chase regular women without solid Portuguese skills and no local know-how of the city just in the hope of getting lucky would just be a huge waste of time, realistically, and, consequently, a waste of money. So for someone with these characteristics, the P4P option indeed is cheap, if sex is on top of the priority list. Really, I depends on how much time and money each and every one of us has and what our respective levels of personal convenience are. Or maybe just what mood we are in at any given point in time. I might just go for it, anyhow, just for the thrill of the chase.
But hey, if I was Bill Gates, considering how much my time and convenience is worth, I would never want free sex. Never ever. Just ask Mick Jagger about getting a "regular" girl pregnant (http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2000/08/04/jagger/).
And as Exec Talent has often pointed out, not all women care that much about money...
No, of course not, and those who care do so to varying degrees. I would still say though that if you're never been to Rio and don't venture outside of Copacabana and don't speak any Portuguese, those women are far more difficult to find that those who do. Maybe not for you, but for the average mongerer, yes.
Still, some people might prefer just that. To know upfront how much money they have to worry about. Guys who actually don't worry as much about money, either.
So I have to disagree with you that my theory doesn't pan out. At least, you haven't given me anything that would show that it doesn't.
El Austriaco
i'd like to second euro100's post of earlier today on "friendly advice:" some of us are of an age, experience, and level of economic comfort where enjoying our fantasies with an attractive young woman who will assist in the process is just fine. like euro100, i enjoy having someone show interest and personal attention towards me, and if it is an act -- who cares? the worst actresses among the pros and semipros in brasil are better than my ex-wife, and the good ones are outstanding. after spending half a million usd on lawyers and accountants, several times that on a property settlement, and a slew of alimony as punishment for seven not very enjoyable years of marriage, it wasn't hard to figure out that the cost/benefit ratio in the us is seriously skewed against guys. as a wise man observed somewhere on this board, we're paying the women to go away afterwards. i date a fair amount in the us, and for every hour of pleasure there are ten hours of being a therapist (with one exception, in case she ever reads this :-). in brasil i get the pleasure without having to hear every detail of what is wrong in their lives, and without the expectation i will pick up the phone at whatever hour they suffer a pre-mestrual emotional crisis.
similar to what i think euro100 was implying, i enjoy having a "steady" while in rio (with occasional opportunities to step out and experiment) rather than just piling up the body count. my "steady" doesn't ask for money, but she asks for a lot of other things ("oh, can you bring an ipod next trip" "oh, i love victoria secrets shampoo" "oh, a digital camera would be so helpful") that in reais add up to more than i would pay on a straight transactional basis -- but because imported goods are so expensive in brasil (18 months ago an ipod cost 2500 reais versus $300 in the us) it works out for both her and me. plus she stays with me as much as i want, introduces me to new places and people (she does not come across as a gdp, and has a good social network in rio), and always strives to deliver the good parts of a gfe. all in all, i find it very enjoyable and relaxing.
this in no way contradicts what macunaima was saying, which is that any smart pro is always considering boyfriend opportunities because those are a) more lucrative, and b) a possible exit strategy from the business. when she finds such an opportunity she is going to approach it first as a business proposition, but if things work out well over time i've seen them start to make an emotional investment as well. this is especially true of those that i prefer: the freelancers who work through referrals rather than frequenting copa, have a good education, are from a middle class background, and come from sao paulo or the south of brasil, where the work ethic is stronger than in rio.
in summary: i enjoy a "girl friend" style relationship; there are plenty of women in rio and elsewhere in brasil that can deliver wonderfully on that; and i'm past the age where i give a rip about what they are thinking in their heart of hearts. i like to treat other people well, and i'm willing to believe that many people will respond well to that. i also respect the right of other people to have other attitudes: "the customer is always right" may have been coined in the us, but it certainly applies to the pay for play industry in brasil.
Mac,
DAMN!!! I thought you had finally gone away. What will it take for you to absorb the hint and stop.
You are killing our buzz and we're not online to listen to you pontificate. Please, open a website of your own . .
Sal
[QUOTE=Macunaima]Ron, in my opinion the idea of "winning" or "losing" in something like this is pretty damned stupid. But seeing as how you ask...
QUOTE]
Please forget I said anything. Sal Dali post below pretty much said it ALL.
Men,
Is there any chance at all that we could avoid turning this into the Macunaima Show? He's posted some interesting information, but I (and I suspect others) are growing tired of reading his 1000 word missives and his apparent perception that he's intellectually, socially, and morally superior. Really, I get it. I'm an ignorant gringo monger and he is a non-monger expert in all things prostitutive, sexual, and . . . well, damn . . . the list goes on.
Anyway, I'd prefer to move on . . . but that's just me.
If we can't move on, is it possible that the Moderator/Jackson might consider giving him his own section so that we don't have to continue to wade through the drivel if we don't want to?
Thanks!
SD
Please stop this nonsense!!
Ron, Sali, Euro, El Aus..pls move on
Thank you for your detailed report!!....I only wish we had some pics to compliment your story-telling. (note to self--check out Luomo next time in Rio) My problem with that place was that mall you have to walk through and the brazillian lurkers in front of it.
I am glad that you've discovered the termas here in Rio and there is much fun to be had with these girls....
"I have sunk something like $500 into L’uomo over the last few days, but it has paid off big time." I've had many wild nights at these termas--just think about all the fun u had with NO fucking hassle. I went out three times this week--spent nearly $200 on one of the dates. The other two were events that I had comp tickets (sports event and play)...so only 100 USD extra....total damage for the week? $300..scored only once..subpar performance--no BJ, wanted DATY got mad when I refused...LOL WTF!! All the while Carrib is thinking..hmm....I could've have fucked 8-10 garotas not counting the freebies from regular babes...
I have been swamped at work so my mongering activities has slowed down. I've been thinking of Thailand but dam I miss the garotas!! with the real getting stronger....I was thinking of going east--BUT..instead of $800-1000 airfares, I am now seeing $500-600 RT from AA and DL. DL now has a direct to RIO and brought the prices way down.
So fellow mongers I need your help..
Go to Rio and releave my frustration in more than a few ample bundas
Go EAST to thailand...OR
Got an email from a "friend" she wants to meet in Mexico.
El Austriaco
10-14-05, 06:50
Please stop this nonsense!!
Ron, Sali, Euro, El Aus..pls move on
Unless there is a good reason not to, I'll shut up about this from now on, though I gotta say that if you feel free to suggest that I move on, I might suggest that you get over it, too. No rules here that say you have to read what I have to say, and no reason that I should read something that doesn't interest me. That's why they invented scroll bars and ignore lists, right?
Personally, I like and respect the different view points represented here, but maybe that's just me. In that respect, I have to side with Macunaima, as much as I disagree with him on certain points. IMHO, he's just as entitled to express his point of view and opinions as anyone else and, yes, he has made some valid points and provided useful information. Unlike other people here, regardless of how you interpret the purpose of this forum. It's not Macunaima's, it's not mine, but it's Jackson's. But it's not yours, either.
Because whether you've been thinking about going to Thailand or not isn't exactly Rio-related, either, right? Right. But I respect your style, no problem. Wouldn't go out and call it nonsense, though.
Cheers, and no bad feelings intended, just happy mongering. Maybe the next time were both in Rio, we can have a choppe. Just to clarify things.
El Austriaco, moving on...
Carlos Primeros
10-14-05, 07:28
If somebody of the board is at present time in Rio, please PM me.
Carlso Primeros
Mac,
DAMN!!! I thought you had finally gone away. What will it take for you to absorb the hint and stop.
You are killing our buzz and we're not online to listen to you pontificate. Please, open a website of your own . .
Sal
Agree.
This know-it-all boring fuck is constantly fucking up this thread and turning off other members with his pontificating diatribes .
He'd better have his own section or take a fucking hike elsewhere.
Pro
Exec Talent
10-14-05, 12:53
I'm going to Rio in Nov and wondering if this girl is still at L'oumo. She went by Nycole, is dark skinned, good english, wears those grey contact lenses, and has some acne scars on her face when you see here close up. I saw here in May and July and wonder if anyone knows if she is still there? Trying to plan my time.
Mmafan,
Since you seem a little obsessed (or have an overactive mouse) I e-mailed Nicole at L'uomo to ask her if she was still there (she recently took a few days off). She is. I can call her too if you like just to be extra sure.
Thank you Exec. No obsession, just new to the board. As I did not see my post I tried a few more times. I still don't see my post matter of fact. But anyway, I just remembered her and if she is still at L'oumo, I'll go there again.
Have to agree that "M" fucks up the board by posting in the report section. When he posts everyone gets way off topic. When it abates, people get back to posting reports, which incidently is what this topic is about.
"M" if you have to post do it in the "living in brasil" or general sections, you do not monger, you do not have a report, you have no need to question people about their reports because it would appear you ain't going to start mongering, hence you have no business posting in this section.
An option is to put repetitive people in your ignore list. Then you have no need to look at their posts.
On the row of links near top of screen:
User CP, then Buddy / Ignore Lists
Anyone know of a Terma mil cinco? Or Terma 1005. Apparently it is near 4x4 etc.
Sal, Bubba, Pro: kindly grow the fuck up and pull your thumbs out.
This is a semi- public message board, not your private club. No one forces you to read my "thousand word missives" so WHY THE FUCK DO YOU BOTHER if they irritate you so much?
By the way, I'd like to thank Sal Dali, for hating my posts so much that he thought it necessary to repost them in his. Now THERE'S a man who's really concerned about the level of spam on this board...
Exec Talent
10-14-05, 15:28
Macunaima,
We are so over you. We know exactly who you are. You are the guy at the party who bores everyone to death because you are so enamored with the sound of your own voice. You are the guy who loses at everything and tries to justify it by saying it is only just a game.
People who take low-paying loser jobs don't do so for the greater good or the pursuit of truth, they do so because they are losers.
We would love to have an "insider" who actually knows what is going on in Rio. However, as Bubba Boy stated previously, that is not you.
So unless there is a thread started here for meaningless, inaccurate drivel, I suggest the other members join me is asking Jackson to ban your ass. Your 15 minutes were up long ago.
Exec Talent
10-14-05, 15:34
Question to recents terma visiters,
Which Termas had the most garotas with Black Hair and white skin, Lasy year when I was there centaurus had the most of this look.
Centaurus is still your best bet especially since many of the black hair white skin girls just left Monte Carlo for there.
Hi, El Aus, thanks for your polite reply.
You say...
"I think that you committ the same mistake again by assuming, like you always do, that going to Rio as a foreigner and paying for sex somehow makes you a loser per se."
Please take my remarks at face value and try not read stuff into them that's just not there. I have NEVER called anyone a loser on this board, nor even implied that they were, unless it was in momentary, angry response to a direct attack. If you can show me where you think I've done otherwise, I will happily appologize to the person in question.
I am not making any judgements on the morality or machismo (or lack thereof) behind mongering. So if you're worried about moral judgements, El A, cool, but realize that I'm not making them.
Now, regarding free or unfree sex, we're both in agreement on the basic point: sex costs something, in some coin, whether that be money, or attention. Often, however, the coin being asked for is simple pleasure and attentiveness to one's partner. Like I said before, there's a huge ECONOMIC difference in my book between buying someone a couple of beers on the street and ending up with them at a motel (with both of you splitting costs) and between paying 300 reais for sex at a termas. Why would a guy choose the one and not the other? Well, because the second option is a sure bet and he can pick and choose among the girls he wants to fuck. The first option is NOT a sure bet and it's basically catch as catch can.
So this seems to me to be one of the main drives behind mongering, not - as you seem to imply - the idea that "free" sex is somehow as expensive as "paid" sex.
As for whether or not Brazilian men pay for sex too, that's neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is, someone who lives in town, speaks the language and has some sort of social insertion is going to have an easier time getting non-commercial sex. Most Brazilian guys I know who monger CHOOSE to monger. They have plenty of other options, but for a variety of reasons mentioned below, they prefer pros, at least occasionally. Most itinerant gringos don't have much choice beyond mongering - at least not here. Again, there are exceptions on both sides of the line, but that seems to be the general rule.
Now, if you know the ropes in Rio, speak the language and get your ass off of Copa, it'll become progressively easier for you to score non-commercial sex. It's not a question of "Brazilian" vs. "gringo" actually: it's more like "cariocas" vs. "out-of-towners", with the added complication that most gringos don't speak Portuguese.
And yeah, one of the reasons men pay for sex - as someone pointed out here long ago - is to not have to deal with the woman in question ever again. So this is one of the "coins" you pay for "free" sex: attention. It seems to me that some men are more afraid of spending in that coin and others aren't and everyone's mileage varies.
You say "somehow, the concept that chasing women for "free" that I greatly enjoy and occasional P4P is also not mutually exclusive and that one might actually enjoy both for their respective advantages seems to elude you".
Hmm. Well, again, either I must not be making myself clear enough, because I thought I said that that many men combine the two things. My entire argument, in fact, is that P4P revolves around CONVENIENCE. My secondary point is that gringos, however, are at a disadvantage in the "normal" dating scene down here until they can learn the language and the ropes and find friends to show them around. This about the only point I have been making, in fact.
Anyhow, I think we pretty damn well agree on everything. I think you're fighting against a straw man that's just not there when you try to take me to task for "looking down" on mongers. I don't at all.
I DO find it hilarious, however, that guys like Exec Talent think that Copa pros are giving him freebies because they've fallen in love with his animal magnetism and that they hang around him looking for hand-outs because they're all a bunch of lost little girls looking for a father figure, which he can provide. Oh, that and the fact that he's just naturally better in bed and a much nicer guy because he's a gringo.
But then again, guys like him are not exactly mongers: they're sugar daddies.
Laughing at a certain monger's inflated sense of self-importance is not the same thing as whipping on mongers, generally, for mongering, neh El Aus? Se Exec quer que ninguém ri dele, então que ele seja sonso assim em outra paróquia. LOL.
Full Throttle
10-14-05, 16:18
My last report, 3 days ago but 10,000 words upstream, was about L'omo. I loved everything about it, even the garota who I canceled. She didn't do anything wrong, it just seemed like other girls were more service-oriented.
I did see Euro enjoying the quasi-personal strip show. There is nothing wrong with his mindset-- he's having an awesome time.
I arranged to go to 4X4 with two sets of guys. One didn't show, the other group found themselves in various states of annebriation, therefore incapable of making a decision to leave Meia Metapa, or whatever the name of that place is. I'll just remember it as the place with over-priced, gringo-abusing, ugly hookers.
So, I finally gave up on friends around 4:20, arriving by taxi at around 4:45. Ran in, changed into uniform, and entered the main terma area around 4:50. Ran into a couple of friends, spoke briefly, then darted off to make an impulsive decision. After all, I had 10 minutes to save $R35.
As a humorous contrast to my three hour shopping experience the night before in L'uomo, I went stricly by the numbers: skin tone, body shape and smile. Within 30 seconds, I'd made my decision. I identified a pretty "blond" girl, early 20's, sweet smile with perfect teeth and pronounced dimples.
While I have gotten fairly comfortable with the monger/provider relationship over time, this was a bit challenging. I had to make her acquaintance, establish a rapport, and find a room in about 7 minutes. So, I maneuvered my way through the growing crowd, told her she was beautiful, put my hand around her shoulder, shared names, and sent her off with my key to the front desk. At 4:59, we were walking to our room.
Man, what luck. We seemed to establish chemistry right off the bat, and enjoyed one of the best hours I've had with a girl -- anywhere. Kissing, teasing, natural responses to pleasure (i.e. not overdone), a perfect balance of giving and receiving, sweet, sexy, and extremely nasty at times. Just bloody awesome.
After 2 days and 2 popular termas, I am already prepared to push Buenos Aires, my first love, to a distant 2nd place. BA is elegant and cosmopolitan, but, for sheer beauty and overt sexual expression, no place compares to Rio.
Since you've bothered to read this long, I'm happy to tell you that the girl's name in 4X4 is Dotty (no idea the Portugese spelling, but this was the phoenic pronunciation). I know a lot of guys don't share names publicly, but I figure that if she is good she deserves business. I also know that YMMV, which I hope to be true. If your session sucks with her, then I know she REALLY liked me.
By the way, entrance (waived), room and chica, $R140. Not bad for a mind-blowing experience-- even at 2.25-to-1 exchange.
I think you bring up really good points Euro, but I think the key word here is "fantasy". What you're living is a fantasy. Nothing at all wrong with that. The problems start, however, when you start believing that the fantasy is based on reality - some real emotion, some real love, respect, or even sympathy for you that goes beyond what you can give that person in financial terms.
And bringing up the examples of rock stars is SPOT ON. As El Austriaco mentioned below, Mick Jagger is now paying heavily for his "free" sex with a certain Brazilian model.
Again, fantasy is great. I love it just as much as the next guy. Hell, I'll go watch Matrix or Lord of the Rings with the rest of the herd and have a blast. But I don't think the stuff that's on the screen is for real.
I mean, look at Appleone's post: smart guy, ripped off in a bad marriage, once burned, twice shy, now prefers commercial sex. Hey, I'm there. I can relate.
But what puzzles me is why so many mongers with stories like Appleone's then fall in love with women here who rate WORSE on the selfishbitchometer than any ex-wife anyone here is liable to have had. It makes me wonder if certain guys aren't LOOKING to get beaten around the head by the women they love. I'm not saying this is what Appleone's doing, mind. But I have certainly spent many nights listening to gringo mongers tell me how they HATE American/European or whatever women because they are so selfish, but NOW that they've found little Kátia Flávia here, they realize that they've hooked up with the love of their life.
So it seems to me that mistaking fantasy for reality is a fairy common monger pitfall. And if that's the case, it makes you wonder what kind of gringas some guys were married to in the first place...
From what you say about SQT, it seems to me that you are well on your way to getting a rep as a sugar daddy in L'Uomo and if that's what you want, cool. Just remember two things: 1) sugar daddies almost always ultimately pay more for sex than anyone else and 2) these women AREN'T with you because they care about you. If you have no problems with those two things, you should have a good time. If, on the other hand, you start believing that the girls are flocking around you because you're God's Gift to Women, you're probably headed for some serious - and potentially expensive, emotionally and otherwise - disillusionment somewhere down the road.
BtW, Euro, assuming that someone knows what's in their interest and is willing to play to that is NOT "assuming the worst in people": it's being realistic.
It always amazes me how many wealthy, successful men who are used to dealing with capitalism every single day of their lives let that one very important point slip from their minds as soon as they hit Copa. They wouldn't let it slip in any other situation, but hey, they're on vacation, so the rest of the world must be, too, right?
You are these womens' BUSINESS, Euro. They take you very seriously, even if you think it's all for fun and love.
This is SO cool. I had no idea that I could enable a command that would allow me to simply ignore Mac's posting from the very outset. (BTW, he was right, I quoted too much of his post - so I edited it.)
So, thanks to Cachorro for pointing out that ignoring was a viable option!
I'll be in RJ Nov 17th-23rd for a MUCH needed break. If anyone's around, let's hook up and we'll see what we can do to make cause the gdp's to breathlessly fake as many orgasms as possible!
:)
SD
Euro 100,
Can you please tell what are the charges/ time in termas, do we have to pay extra for room.
Also can you name other termas.
Thanks
JustGotBack
10-14-05, 20:57
This is from last Tuesday. My reports are going to be spotcy this time unlike my regular on the spot reports. I´ll sum up when I get home.
I had two regrets leaving Rio last year. One was from Luomo and the other was from outside help. I regret not getting them when I had the chance. At least the one from Luomo has been fulfilled. Last year I didn´t pick her because she had braces on. They are off this year. I was sitting there chatting with the girl I had last Sunday when I saw her come out. I thought it was her but wasn´t sure. She looks much more grown up this year. Last year she looked like the girl next door. This year, she looks like a supermodel. It took me about a minute and I was on my feet and said hi. I asked if she wanted to sit and she looks behind her shoulder and says yes. She said we had to wait a bit though which confused me. It turns out that some guy was buying her a drink from the bar. He comes back with a Skol and she talkes to him. He looks at me and just nods and goes away leaving her the drink. I think I stole her from him. But he was all class. We had some serious foreplay in the bar. Is it me or are the girls much more aggressive this year in Luomo. In a good way though. I´ve had 3 girls just come up to me and rub their asses on me until I got hard then grabbed me and starting stroking. I would have to say stop so that I don´t embarass myself in the bar. She did the same thing and the session almost ended before it began.
Anyways, she did everything I asked. You know how reality rarely meets expectations. This time it did. The year wait was worth it. I decided to obstain the next two days in tribute. It costs 214.40 for entrance, 40 minutes for the girl, one drink and 40 centavos for whatever. Check your bill when you leave or the cashier will scold you for not doing so.
Luomo has the hot girls this year by far. There´s this other one I have my eye on but she lasts about 5 seconds after she comes back on the floor after a session. I might just have to stand by the door they come out of.
Flew in from California and arrived yesterday. Booked a room at the Sheraton even though it is far away from the action. Was $145 including breakfast AND pick up from the airport. Cant beat that and since I am a Gold member at Starwood, I was upgraded to an ocean front room with a great view.
Called Karlas and had Angelica come over. Same thing 100 reals + taxi. they charged 60r for taxi because what sheraton. She gets there and signs in and it cost $20 for an extra guest. Whatever. Angelica had 2 new tatoos and one was infected. She was on antibiotics and i would give her about 1 week to heal from this. Had a nice time. She stayed about 2.5 hours. mucho orgasmos for her and me 2 pops. she didnt drink wine or smoke with me because of being sick. When she left, i told her i wanted a taxi ride into town. Hey I am paying and was no problem with her. I had her drop me off at Centaurus.
This was my 1st time at Centaurus and is clearly the best looking girls and best thermas experience in my opinion. I have been to Monte Carlos and their sister thermas (forgot the name). I get there and pay the 310r, get robe and go upstairs about 830PM. Wow - lots of hot women and two come over. Rule #1 - dont take the 1st gals. Rule #2 - all rules have exceptions. Both girls were hot and easily talked me into a two girl situation. paid and extra 150r. Was excellent - both blew me, both screwed me, they kissed each others nipples and everyone came. at one time the 2nd gal fingered my ass, which i never did before while the other gal was blowing me. felt good - i am a homophobic, so this was a stretch for me, but went with the beers, the girls and the whole mood. Completely satisfied.
Love the outfits - is weird when they have like 10-15 girls wearing the same outfit, but crap they are so sexy, the white one with the straps and the exposed areas on the legs and the heart belt right above the crotch. Crap - just thinking of it gets me horny and I am about 10 minutes away and 2 min from Monte Carlo - I will finish the report, though. Great looking girls - very good experience.
I then got a massage. I dont know if any of you guys get the`professional massage`- it is truly that. Was a big black guy and he gave me a great massage. Asked if he was a boxer and he said yes. I got the massage at monte carlo last year and was good, too. I like massages and for 50r was excellent. Gave him a 10r tip.
I then went back upstairs and not sure how i found her or she found me, but, very tall and slender with silky soft hair. Dont even know her name and she gave me her # but didnt put her name. we danced, hung out - did the room thing - muy excellente. I didnt cum because i was played, but completely satisfied. This was my 5th girl of the day (actually 4th, but Angelica 2xs). We are supposed to go out Sat night. she couldnt stay the night because she had to be home at 2AM to take care of her kid. Cant believe she has a kid. she has like a 16 year old body. Interesting, i asked where she wanted to go for dinner - i told her anyplace and she said Satericom (not sure how to spell it, but obviously she know a restaurant that could cost about $150 for dinner and drinks. no problem, i would be honored to go out there with a 10 - will keep you guys updated.
I just went upstairs again and drank, ate (i didnt know they had bar food at these places) and flirted with lots of women. Was fun because I wasnt going to go with anyone, so no games just hugs and kisses.
Centaurus - 3 girls, 10 drinks, dinner and massage - about 800r. They charged something like 230 for the 3nd girl. Bye the way, exchange money here! At the sheraton was 210, at the airport 220, at Centaurus was 230 and i cashed about $400 more. no problema.
Got a date tonight with a non-pro I met last 2 times here, but was in a professional setting. We´ll see - she is newlywed, but we have always been attracted to each other. not sure if i should run to Centaurus for a quicky or go home and save my energy for her.
Thats all for now. Hope there is something of interest for someone in the post. The board have been invaluable in getting around the world.
Bob Amp
PS It appears prices have gone up. Monte Carlo was charging like 250r - I thought years back that you would spend like 350r for like 3 girls and beer and massage. So, seems like prices have more then doubled. Is this consistant with what everyone else is saying? And Centauras is 30% more and worth it in my opinion.
Gentlemen,
I'm a gringo, living in Rio for now 4 years. As you can imagine, i work here (very hard to make a living) and i can speak a fluent portuguese.
This is my first post but after all these reports from Mac, i thought it was my duty to tell that "every story is different and why do you need to make it so general?". Relationships with women (mother, sister, wife, mistress or hookers) are not so black/white.
I used to monger a lot, i know most of the Rio termas, Copacabana area and other places for P4P. I finally choose to live and marry with a lovely brazilian woman.
And YES she has a 5 years old kid, YES she's a former GDP, and YES she was involved in a lesbian relationship for 2 years (i don't know the statistic if ever there's one, but it should be around 75% of the GDP : how can you trust men when you make 5 BBBJ / day?).
I must say that my wife is the best i could ever dreamed of: she's now working in a multinational (thanks to the money she gained as a GDP, she completed her master), she's a great housewife, she has great sex skills, and we NEVER have a boring discussion.
DON'T READ/LISTEN TO OTHERS ADVICE, THIS IS YOUR FUCKING LIFE!!!!
I took my chance and I don't regret it.
Good luck Euro100.
These was my 2 centavos.
Now, regarding free or unfree sex, we're both in agreement on the basic point: sex costs something, in some coin, whether that be money, or attention. Often, however, the coin being asked for is simple pleasure and attentiveness to one's partner. Like I said before, there's a huge ECONOMIC difference in my book between buying someone a couple of beers on the street and ending up with them at a motel (with both of you splitting costs) and between paying 300 reais for sex at a termas.This is pretty spot on and something that is easily forgotten iin many cultures if you happen to have a lot of cash!
Even if you *do* pay for sex, you will generally get much better value if you show some of the above. Whether you speak the language or not, being attentive and making a girl feel like the most wonderful person in the world is something that does not need cash. You create a bond that is special and worth hanging on to (for both of you). At that point, cash becomes secondary. If you are in a paid-for situation, you will possibly get much more attention back when it comes to the bedroom. If you are not, you may well not get asked for money (but if you meet the girl in Copa be sure to establish that you are not intending to pay *first* else if you have read it wrongly she could try to name a price.)
I like learning when I come to Brasil - about all aspects of the culture here. Particularly I like watching couples. Men often tend to be attentive and demonstrative to their partners and women tend to appreciate it gracefully. And they are much better at flirting than their USA or European counterparts.
One point - due to the education changes over the years, reasonably dressed women under their early thirties may well speak some English - at least enough to enjoy flirting. Older than that and they will only have been taught English if they come from a very wealthy family (Cariocas, please feel free to tell me if I am incorrect). I am not convinced of the need to go to special bars. As the earlier post said, be attentive, kind, considerate, spontaneous, make her laugh. Make her life better by being in it.
But inside Copa you have to convince her you do not think she is on the progam first.
Check out this promo for a laugh...
http://www.imagensdokibe.blogger.com.br/Viva-a-sutileza-xoxoteca.jpg
I have these two good buddies from Rio, and I have known them since college, when I backpacked my way around Brazil. Their names are Eduardo and Carlos. So it was a few years back, and we are sitting in the Garota Ipanema bar, chugging back a few brewskies. Back then it was dirt-cheap for us gringos down in Brazil, and so I could afford a lot of choppes, despite having basically no money. My buddies are college-educated as well, and they speak perfect English. We are sitting around our table, secure in the knowledge that nobody knows what we are talking about, because obviously nobody speaks English, right?
On the sidewalk is a three-person samba band playing, and it is really cool to hang out. Three girls, one of them a true stunner, sit down at the table next to us. They are all dressed in pretty provocative black lacy dresses. Yum! Of course, I do what I always do, I check the girls out, smile at the stunner as she glances over. So Carlos and Eduardo right away proceed to tell me in English that I should stay away from these girls, as they are obviously cheap hookers, only out for my money. Uh, I don't have any money, I say, and how do you know that they are hookers? Well, my Brazilian friends know it all, tell me all the little indicators that give away that we are dealing with 3 GDP. OK, I am learning, ask questions, begin to understand. But I must still say that that girl with the cafe latte skin, the deep black eyes, and the very long black curly hair is hot.
An hour later the girls leave, and I feel sorry that I did not go over to them and strike up a conversation. But without Portuguesa, what chance would I have had? And at the time I had not ever sampled a hooker, so that was a no-no. OK, with our conversation subjects now gone, Carlos and Eduardo also leave shortly thereafter. I decide to cruise around the back streets of Ipanema a bit. You will always find an interesting bar there, with people handing out in the street in front of it.
It's almost midnight, and I find this place, I think it was called Bananas. It has an upstairs dance club. My kind of place. I go in, and it is not too crowded, just right. I am buying a caipi, try to scope the place from my spot at the bar. Somone taps me on the shoulder and asks in English if I want to join them. I turn around and find the stunner from the table next door at the Garota Ipanema. Wow baby, what are the odds! She speaks English, and so do her friends. Her name is Eliana. They are all medical students, I believe from the Catholic University. I join them and we have the greatest of time. None of them have ever hooked, it turns out. These girls are just out on the town trying to find a good time. My friends were absolutely dead wrong.
One of the girls tells me that this thing they overheard is so typical of Brazilian men, who are always so negative, brooding, feeling dark and inferior. She tells me she likes blond, tall, friendly, smiling dudes. The other two nod in agreement. Did I mention that I am blond (well, at least dark blond ;)), tall, friendly, smiling? All for of us dance and have a good time. When I run out of money, the girls buy me another drink.
Well, let's make a long stroy short, I got to go back with Eliana to her appartment in Leblon. Her dad had bought her a nice flat one block away from the beach. I spent the entire weekend with her.
Moral of this story? Mac, you remind me of my dark and brooding friend Carlos. So go ahead and keep in your world, but there is more out there. The girls like me for who I am, I know from my non-monger days. If you are friendly and kind, you smile, you give others the benefit of the doubt, and you want to have a good time, others want to be around you, too. That's my experience, and no matter what you say, I am sticking to my guns. It works for me.
Little update: SQT and I just came down from the pool on the hotel roof back to my room and took a shower. I started typing this while she was still in the bathroom, washing her hair. But now whe is playing with my member, and so I have to stop. Her English is good enough that she can read what I wrote and what you guys posted, and she was laughing her ass off.
Full Throttle wrote: "I did see Euro enjoying the quasi-personal strip show. There is nothing wrong with his mindset-- he's having an awesome time." When SQT read this, she told me that she had asked Ingrid to come over to me during the strip and give me a little personal service. Is SQT a cool babe, or what?
I love Rio - and SQT. There, I said it, for all of you and for HER to read.
I just felt a big gust of wind and suddenly it smells in here.
If you don't read it, you'll smell nothing. If you don't respond to it or reference it, then it will go away.
ok you have got past wondering if you can go outside the hotel lobby without being mugged, sliced up and thrown into guanabara bay.
if you have only got a short time, how do you make the most of it?
i was taking a wander from ouvidor down to carioca yesterday, buying an even cheaper watch to replace the cheap watch on my arm, and i remembered how a few years ago i had walked round in circles, literally, with a pal, trying to find travessa de ouvidor. it was a saturday afternoon, my feet hurt, and i did not have a clue how to get where i wanted to go.
as with any big city (rio is big - think big about the size of london) - well you can guess, once you know your way around it seems ridiculously easy. but i thought, can i save some people some of the hassle and frustration i experienced then? hence this quick guide. apologies in advance for bits that may have been done before or any typos or inaccuracies.
you might find it helps to split rio into different areas where your - errr - interests are . . . that saves a lot of time. even copa is well over 2 miles long, and when you add time (and energy) for getting lost a couple of times it soon mounts up. ok . . .
copa
(the posto districts do not mean much except on the beach, so i will use the streets that intersect the main three highways that travel more or less the length of copa).
west copa
not quite all the way to the left of the map, but the bit with help in it. it includes street and cafe action in the immediate vicinity. rua djalma ulrich, rua miguel lemos, around there.
when to go - help gets busy around midnight and gives a discount before then. the surrounding area has ladies of negotiable assets at most times of the day and night.
getting there - walk, bus or taxi. help is on the sea front (ave atlantica) by the night market but most times you will get a buses along the parallel ave n.s. copacabana or barata ribeiro.
getting back - your garota will not want to walk (unless you live very close!) or get a bus, so it is a taxi. get any taxi that is parked at least more than 100 yards from help and puts the meter on as a rough guide. if the girl is any good she will help you steer clear of rogues. if you go back alone, any street other than atlantica is better for walking on. buses run all night (though less frequently than in the day).
much as been said elsewhere about help. keep your wits about you but be polite. some of the girls are beautiful and very sophisticated but they can run rings round anyone (one girl i knew well gave me a demo once to show me how she pays the bills - it was very funny but . . .)
mid copa
the area that includes the siquera campos metro station at the back and rua siquera campos running down to the sea.
when to go - afternoon times get you into the massagens for some inexpensive distraction. the tacky strip bar (miami show) is open much longer hours.
getting there and back - walk (unless you are in ipanema, in which case grab any copa bus or get a taxi to the junction of siquera campos / ave nossa senhora de copacabana).
miami show is on ns copa and fairly obvious - it has a big red sign over the top. you go upstairs and pay 1 real a time for the peep show (or more if you want an overpriced private show).
copa massagens is on 583 ave ns copa but discreet. you enter the building squeezed beteen hsbc and bradesco banks (by the way, if you cannot find number 583, the street signs at the corner have the number ranges printed on them, american style). you want the 2nd floor. probably only one lift goes to even numbers (sign over the top). on the second floor, the copa massagens is room 203. it is a bit grotty, with metal detectors before you go in. better is the unmarked massagens at 204. there is no number on the door, it is currently a plain perspex door with no markings, but ring the bell and they are friendly enough and the rooms are very reasonable. generally better than 203. r60 for a reasonable time.
for something more upmarket, go round the corner to 22 siquera campos (that is also the name of the massagens). nice place. 100r. this area is nice and easy for beginners.
east copa
the area bordering on leme, where copa ends with ave princesa isabel.
when to go - sunrise is the best time to get bargains around prado junior / min.viv. de castro - who wants to be touting wears from last night as people start going to work?
i am not a fan of the boites or american bars that dot the area like fleece gatherers - praca maua does the same thing better and more honestly - but you may want to take a look (the gofers on the door will probably try to insist you come inside as you pass).
the main attraction is the worst restaurant in the world, also known as nogueira. this is not a place to start if you are feeling a bit leery. it includes talent from help that have not scored, talented (and not so talented) amateurs, and hard nosed con artists. you have to work out which is which. try to avoid ordering food while you do so. buy a beer or a coke and tip luis a few real and then use the place for its main function (which has nothing to do with cuisine!) be nice to the staff but remember they seem to suffer from things like memory lapses when it comes to your change so remind them politely. you can also just hang around politely, lean in through the window, listen to the live music and chat up the talent. this is a place you should practice your skills at haggling and not pay more than 80r unless you really could not care less. if she is nice she will do it for less next time and stay as long as you like - if she is not she will rob you. the area is busy long before the restaurant opens - any time from midnight. treat taxis outside with almost as much circumspection as you would those outside help.
there is a tourist information bureau with some english speaking staff on princesa isabel 183. useful for non-mongering questions like can i walk to the metro and what is a real <g>, or for detailed stuff (sometimes the details are not the ones you asked for, in which case you could try repeating the question, slowly and politely etc). if you are staying in an apartment, the other way to get info in english (but not about bus routes) is to ask the reception at any main hotel. or get lonely planet city guide rio de janeiro (outdated on prices and some glaring omissions, but otherwise helpful and compact, which most of the other guides do not seem to be).
praca maua
reviewed elsewhere - varies, but generally quite relaxed and relatively upmarket. two boites, no admission charge, drinks overpriced but not horrendously so, most of the girls are pretty attractive. you can get a bus or a taxi - it is located just north of centro and, unlike the rest of downtown, is fairly busy (ie = reasonably safe) all night. short ride to mimosa if you see nothing you fancy and decide to let it all hang out downmarket.
vila mimosa
a map is a good idea. not the one they give you at the airport as you get off your flight. the riotur (tourist information) one at least has the main street, sotero dos reis, marked, the others generally do not. if you are going to stay in rio more than a couple of weeks, i would suggest ruas rio de janeiro (a-z with full bus routes) is a good investment.
where is it?
ok, find centro on your map. it has a big long street called ave presidente vargas at the top which runs east (or left). follow that direction till you come to maracana, the football stadium. now about midway from centro you will see praca de bandeira. there is a triangle of roads with sotero dos reis at the top and praca de bandeira at the bottom point. that is where you need to get to.
when to go
anytime of day or night is great (it is 24/7!), but if it is your first trip may i suggest mid afternoon. you can get some nice unhurried attention, spot some beauties arriving, then still be there if you want to when the party spirit is in full swing mid/late evening and early hours of the morning. also you will feel less threatened if you arrive in daylight, plus you will be able to get a good look at your surroundings for next time you come.
how to get there
by metro - as explained elsewhere on the site, the way least likely to result in your getting lost is probably to get the metro to estacio then change lines (no extra cost) to sao cristovao. from there you exit the busy side (fast highway) and walk back (take a left facing the highway) along the narrow pavement until you come to a few stalls on the left and several bridges (the middle one is a distinctive iron one) also off to your left. this is praca de bandeira. you will see a blue footbridge up a head. do not go that far. turn left and walk under the iron bridge, over a canal. this is a fairly poor area - do not worry - there is also heavy police presence - just mind your own business and keep going. you pass a bikers bar. as in most countries, bikers like their own space - give them respect - if the bar has spilled onto the pavement you might want to use the road to walk past. do not go the other street to avoid the bikers (off to the right after the bridge) - it is quieter and so less safe. past the bikers bar at the end of the street it curls round to the right. then there is a road off to the right which is sotero dos reis. half way along there are bars and little walk-in alleys, lots of activity, street food stalls etc. you are there. chill out, have a beer or cola, maybe some barbecue chicken, and wander round. if you have no portuguese (you should have tried to at least learn one or two polite words of greeting), then know amor means you would like to go to a room and vamos means let us go now. you can take as long or as short as you like. prices are fixed so you can have fun, share a beer, dance a little if you like. if you have the right money ready it helps (did you really want to distract her by saying how can i spend the rest??) standard is 25r (including 5r for the room) plus 1r for a protective if you have not brought your own. one or two charge a real or two more, not many. (paid up front - the girls here work for themselves and have to pay for the room first). if you want to take a girl back to your apartment, just negotiate. the rooms are filthy, most of the girls are not, and neither are they necessarily stupid or unrefined just because they are poor. there are beauties here and also old haggard ones to scare you off for the rest of your life! there are also occasional upmarket girls who just do a few hours here to rake in some cash in and hang out for a few hours somewhere fairly liberated. remember they can also say no if they do not like you (though few will).
by taxi - any taxi driver knows vm. make sure the meter is on (this may require a little more skilfulness on the way back. if he says no, try another one. if it is pouring with rain and there are hardly any taxis, you may have to pay more - or else just sit back and have another beer.)
by metro - once you get to know your way.
the sao cristavao way is foolproof - well fairly! - but hardly pleasant. for a nicer and easier approach, stay on the same line at estacio and get off at afonsa pena. it is roughly the same distance but you go through a nice area - outskirts of tijuca - even some nice restaurants - then cross the blue footbridge at praca bandeira. you need a map or sense of direction though.
by bus
getting back from vm by bus is easy. just go down to paca bandeira, cross the blue footbridge, and look for buses (day or night) with copacabana on the front.
getting to vm by bus on the other hand means knowing exactly when to get off. both approach roads have very high speed traffic. from pres vargas, it is the first stop after the spaghetti junction. from the expressway (av engenheiro freyssinet) it is the first stop after the non-stop freeway (just after it skirts the spaghetti junction). try it daytime first.
walking
a bit far to walk unless you are staying in tijuca or other nearby area. (there is an ok backpacker hostel near afonsa pena if you want to try it for a few days or be close to maracana (at least when they have finished refurbishing it lol).
centro
when to go
daytime, especially afternoon, and especially late afternoon. closes 7-ish.
how to get there
i guess a compass could be used. failing that, bearing in mind taxis could take ages in congested streets, get a metro to carioca or uruguiana and foot it. the bit of rua da ouvidor you want is the *other* side (east side) of rio branco, the big street that runs north to south through the city centre. travessa de ouvidor is a few yards along. find number 37 and walk up, knock on doors, smile engagingly and linger or stay, or keep going to find the most popular. almost any bus from copa to centro will do, or see the buses post.
even cheaper (cheapest of all the places i have listed) is stella massagens and hollywood massagens and the places in the same stair. 20r will get you looked after and some of the girls are pretty nice. this is on the other side of rio branco, the west side, and very near carioca metro station (you can also walk it from the carioca tram terminal if you want to travel from lapa). come out of the metro not rio branco side but the other side. go north a few yards to rua carioca and turn left. soon you will get to the tacky porno cinema-come-striptease joint. you may find a variety of sexualities in the loos and back rows inc gay and transvestite/transexual (but remember this is rio - do not be offended - they are not pushy). if you want to see the striptease (mostly very average girls) check the times on display outside. i think it is 7r entry. almost next door is 59 rua da carioca. as with ouvidor, just walk up and practice your knock knock skills.
ps for those brave enough to use buses i will list bus routes separately.
Euro, where have I ever said something like that couldn't happen? What I have said - I and just about every other guy on this board, btw - is that it is UNLIKELY to happen unless you speak fairly good Portuguese and get off of Copa. Of course, said event happened in Ipanema, so you're at least halfway there, though GdI is a gringo-chaser joint.
Now, what this has to do with your SQT, I'm not clear. You picked her up at a termas where you know she was hooking. Do you SERIOUSLY think that your friend Eliana would say anything different that what I have here? It's not a case of "brooding", Euro: it's simple common sense.
455, 464 Copa to Praca Bandeira (VM)
455 Copa to Ouvidor
123, 177 Copa to Praca Maua
222 Praca Maua to Praca Bandeira (VM)
462 Copa (Miguel Lemos & Bolivar only) to Praca Bandeira (VM). This route is a circular (uses the expressway north of Lagoa). If you want to pick it up to come back from VM the logical way might be to turn right out of Sotero dos Reis instead of left towards the bikers bar; you cross a footbridge and the bus passes left to right along Francisco Eugenio. This is a lot quieter at night than Praca Bandeira though so the other buses might be a more obvious choice for getting back.
There are others but the above is a useful quick ref.
How to Use a Bus
Ok, sounds obvious, but bus systems in a foreign country with a foreign language, especially a big city can be inimidating. So, no offence, only read on if this interests you and you do not know already!
Start off with the easy buses. The commonplace beat-up looking ones. Try one daytime for a few stops along Ave NS Copa or any main strip.
Have 2 Reis (the green ones) ready. This saves you from looking really dumb as you work out what numbers are on the coins and hold up the queue. If you give the conducter a 50R note it may take her so long to get your change together that you are miles from anywhere you recognise, so you may want to start with small notes. The flat fare is posted on the front of the bus and is mostly 1.8R. So you will get 20c back in small change.
What not to say to the conductor . . . Could you kindly let me know when I get to Mimosa please? They generally will not speak English. And these buses go fast. Except in rush hour (and sometimes even then), the G-force is sufficient to check how effective your last trip to the gym was, and you might want to take your seat as soon as conveniently possible.
There are often two doors. Get on at the front door. The conuctor sits at a turnstile. When you have paid you can go through the turnstile. Ignore the seats before the turnstile. When you want to get off, pull the rope or press the buzzer and move towards the back of the bus. Use the rear door to get off.
Etiquette - it is *usual* to offer your seat for an old person, a disabled or pregnant person. Offering your seat to a lady is also nice. People in Brasil generally have the decency to accept such politeness (which is not always the case elsewhere). If a person who is standing has shopping bags, it is usual for a person sitting to offer to hold them till the owner gets off or maybe finds a seat. They are not trying to steal your shopping. The same etiquette goes for the Metro.
It is common to say thank you (Obrigado) if the bus has stopped for you at anywhere other than a regular stop, either getting on or getting off.
Normally expect to flag buses at the appropriate stop, but with practice flag them anywhere within reason. The appropriate stop may be a bus shelter, with or without the numbers of the buses on it, or just a gathering of people at the right hand side of the road.
Buses charge extra if they have air conditioning (see price on front). You may need warm clothing to travel on these! Some buses only have one door, and sometimes you just pay the driver (he can negotiate freeway intersections or heavy traffic, weave in and out of lanes, carry on an argument with a passenger, and look in his change box to deal with a gringo all at the same time).
Little mini-buses charge a bit more.
Look out for the sign on the front as well as the number of the bus route as this gives you the main destination. Often on the nearside of the windscreen there will be a handy notice with a list of main stops.
When you get back to your apartment, you might want to sort your change into little piles and work out the value of the coins. You might even want to keep 1.80 in your pocket next time you go out just to show how knowledgeable you are ;-)
For a full list of bus routes (and comprehensive map) you can buy Ruas Rio de Janeiro. Against each street in the index is a list of buses that go there so you can match up departure and destination stops. It is all in Portuguese but do not let that put you off.
I love Rio - and SQT. There, I said it, for all of you and for HER to read.
Ok Euro, up to this point, I have been reading your posts with great interest, wondering where this was going to lead to (because, quite frankly, you never really were clear on where you wanted things to go with SQT i.e.-LTR, long distance relationship, marriage etc.)
But I am quite disappointed to read that you used the "L" word (I'm not even going to say this word, it has no place on this message board IMHO). Maybe you don't mean it in the way a man feels for a woman, but in the way a man feels about a car? Or a fine cigar? Or some other inanimate object? Or maybe (I hope) you're joking? It's very hard to tell whether you are being serious or not, but I suspect you are. But I will let you clarify your definition of the "L" word before I jump to conclusions.
Now, when you first started posting about your Rio trip, I had been rooting for you and for your arguments, against Macunaima. You seem like a very nice guy (maybe too nice for Rio?) that just wanted to enjoy Brasil and have a great vacation. But once you busted out the "L" word, you lost me (and I suspect others on this board). What exactly is your motivation to use the "L" word with SQT? Are you looking for more than a good time, a wife, kids, etc? Because if that is the case, it seems like Macunaima is making more and more sense. While I agree with most people on here that Mac can be a pain in the ass, his posts contain cold hard facts, while much of yours revolve around your emotions, and how the programmas make you feel.
Now, I'm torn. Unlike Macunaima, I like to have a good time, and monger (just check out my pics in the photo gallery). But at the same time I am also a big fan of common sense, and living in reality, and these are two qualities that your posts are severely lacking. The way you romanticize the programmas you "date" (I guess you could call it that?) makes it more like I'm reading a Danielle Steele novel than a trip report. To further prove this fact, I thought this was suppose to be a board where we trade info on mongering, yet you refuse to tell us what these girls (QT and SQT) names' are! First of all they have stage names at L'uomo, so you could at least reveal their stage name, its not like you're revealing their Receita Federal number or anything!
Now, do I dare to ask that you don't want to tell us their names because you have feelings for these girls, and in a way, want to keep them for yourself? Because before you pull that card out, let me just remind you that these girls fuck and suck strangers for a living; thats their job (and they're good at their job lol). And before you flame me, FYI, I have the phone numbers of almost all the girls pics I have posted, and when fellow mongers have PMed me asking for info or numbers of a girl, I always give it to them. And why is that? Because, I want to help other mongers out that go to Rio (the purpose of this forum I thought, but maybe I'm wrong). And I am able to do this because I do not become emotionally attached to these girls.
So, maybe Macu is right? I don't know, but the most shocking part of all your posts was the part where you took the first SQT to dinner at Porcao, and then she wanted R300 for her to spend the night. Now, common sense would tell you "hey, I took this girl out to a five start restaurant, treated her like a queen, and she responds by charging me R300 for sex, if they're going to treat me like a john then I'm gonna have to treat them like a *****." But no, what do you do? You go back to L'uomo and try romancing ANOTHER programma! I mean, c'mon, reality check! Can't you at least learn from your mistakes, I mean thats what mistakes are for, so you know what not to do the next time around. Its almost like you're setting yourself up to be hurt, and with a girl that makes her living working at a terma!
Anyone know of a Terma mil cinco? Or Terma 1005. Apparently it is near 4x4 etc.
Bubba, that's probably Termas 65 (pronounced meia-cinco).
What have most people had to pay for flights from east coast via maybe Delta thur Atlanta?
I see now they are mostly over 1000.
I hope something like in the 600 dollar range is possible.
Thanks
Yes you are right, just came back from speaking to a girl that used to work their and as soon as she said "meia cinco" the penny dropped.
In Rio there must be several places like Vila Mimosa and Quinta da Boa Vista. Where can I find places with a large number of pro's working on the street or in areas similar to VM? I don't mean termas or casas/apartments.
I guess not all the cariocas living in Zona Norte goes to VM when they want a GP.
Greetings everyone,
While I have not yet established a specific threshold for initiating a Serial Antangonist survey, complaints from 7 Senior Members is enough for me.
Pursuant to the Forum's Serial Antagonist Policy, I have posted a poll to ascertain the Membership's opinion regarding the cumulative reports of Macunaima. This poll may be found in this Forum in it's own thread with the title "Is Macunaimaa Serial Antagonist?"
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Thanks,
Jackson
Sunset Strip
10-15-05, 17:39
Lovevegas,
If you are trying to buy a Delta ticket via delta.com it will be $1000+. Most of us on this forum no longer pay so much if we can avoid it. If you want, I and others can provide you with a list of consolidators that are much cheaper. I am in Rio now and only paid $760 dollars from California. I changed my flight two days AFTER my original flight left and got charged $100 by the consolidator (nothing by Delta). I mention this fact because these consolidator tickets are nonrefundable and I want to be sure everyone knows the agency can fine you if you do not take your trip and try to change it after the flight leaves. But I still paid way less than $1000 from CA despite my screwup.
TJ
Wow - this place is hedonism. Went out with non-pro. She is 1/2 japanesse and 1/2 brazil - would love to be with her, but her new husband is problem. So, i said at 1:30AM goodbye and went to Help. Is funny, i said I would not go to Help and there i was for the first time. Met a gal Rosa - PURE Brazilian. 300r and home to me casa. She love 420 and we smoked and made love - pure brazilian passion and again in AM. Woke up at 12 and left the hotel at 230 - We ate and had fun. She like the anal thing, but i didnt do. maybe next
time.
We spent over 12 hours and was 300r. I have her #, but not pics. PM me or I will post.
Did you know you call the pharmacy and they send over viagra 50mg? - perfect. never used but was nice with it because not much energy left.
Yesterday at Monte Carlo - i was there about 4PM and didnt go, but there was 17 gals and only one customer - i would have been #2.
Moved over to Marriott - pure quality - expensive - $200 with breakfast. Great location.
Gotta run to Centaras for second time and then out to dinner with friends.
BOB
Make sure you get the yellow taxi to turn on the meter. This guy charged me 25r flat fee vs what would have been 15-20r. Is BS. also, when I left help same thing. Any suggestions, guys?
Exec Talent
10-16-05, 00:39
TJ,
Thanks for all the great info you provide here. If you get a chance, could you list some sites of consolidators you have used? Also, do you get frequent flier mile credits when using consolidators?
Exec Talent
10-16-05, 04:23
Although this report is not about Rio, I offer it as evidence that not everyone gets treated the same and an academic’s theories, though interesting, do not always apply to the real world nor to everyone.
Missing the attention of my favorite Rio girl, yesterday I called a very hot black stripper I had met while visiting a club in a neighboring city. We had had a good time in the club before, but had never seen each other out. She said she would be happy to drive over to my city so I made reservations at a hotel. When I asked how much, she said, “Well, you are not in 2 for 1 land anymore” (smart girl even knew the approximate exchange rates), so how about $400. Then she added, “how about we get together for dinner first?” Since she was driving to meet me and was going to stay for a couple hours this all seemed reasonable to me.
She shows up around 8:30 and we have drinks and dinner. We got quite a few stares at the bar and even more during dinner. As we were leaving the restaurant, an attractive woman pulled me aside and said your date is very hot (too bad she was with a guy or I would have suggested a three-some).
We get back to the hotel and spend most of the night making love and talking. She did some things which obviously she normally does not do. She is an extremely bright and articulate woman, so I thought I would ask her some questions about topics that recently have come up on this forum. Here is what she told me. When I asked her why me? (strippers get hit on all the time), she said I made her feel special and made her feel good about herself. She said she really enjoyed just being with me. That most guys were rough and only wanted sex. That I treated her like a person. She felt very relaxed and comfortable being with me. She really enjoyed being with an intelligent older man who understood her, listened to her and from whom she could learn. She left around 8:00 AM. She said when she has done this before, it was in, out, collect the money. She had spent the night with me for $400. The going rate in this area is closer to $1500.
Unlike Rio, I doubt this woman is looking to marry me. I drove my relatively cheap vehicle (she was driving a Mercedes) and she owns her own home. Given her popularity, she probably makes $300-$400 a night easy at the club. Why would she drive 1 ½ hours+ each way for the same money?
Most of my regrets in life center around what I didn’t do versus what I did do. Listening to people who said something couldn’t be done. They were right, probably they couldn’t do it, but that didn’t mean it couldn’t be done. I am sorry so many of you feel that women have taken advantage of you, in marriage or in life. Fortunately, I have no women are bitches stories. Academics and others would have you believe that all the women in Rio want is our money (either now or later). Sorry, but I don’t believe that. Not that I am kidding myself about what they do or how they make their living. But, they are still women after all. I believe that respect, tenderness, caring and yes, love go a long way.
I, for one, am cheering for Euro and his new found love. But then again, I always cry at the end of Pretty Woman, too.
Jaimito Cartero
10-16-05, 04:49
Make sure you get the yellow taxi to turn on the meter. This guy charged me 25r flat fee vs what would have been 15-20r. Is BS. also, when I left help same thing. Any suggestions, guys?
I think you need to read back a few months as most of your answers have been asked and answered.
Lover Boy #2
10-16-05, 05:43
There is a "poll thread" where Dr Philogyne kind of accuses you guys of not having any culture and praises the actions of Macu.
This was my reply to this new member with a couple of posts;
I know what "MACUNAÍMA" means and what it is in Brasil literature and film....but so what? He is the image of every Brasilian.....black, white and indian......but so what? Look at the works of Mário de Andrade if you are interested. Maybe he should have chosen the name "argumentative, serial antagonist".....it would have fit a lot better.
Lover Boy #2
10-16-05, 06:20
Here is the New York Times review of the movie made from the novel;
"Macunaíma is a black native from the forests of Brazil in this satirical comedy. When he bathes in a magic stream, he is turned into a white man. He goes into town and becomes the lover of a female revolutionary. She is killed by her own time bomb and her good-luck charm is found by an Italian. The man becomes a millionaire. Macunaíma goes to visit the lucky man and almost ends up on the menu. He returns to the jungle where he is abandoned by his followers and family for lying about food. The once-fortunate man sits alone as he tells his story to the only creature who will listen, a parrot".
Notice the last line. Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here?
the recent posts piqued my interest so I google searched the name, so you dont have to. maybe this explains a little..
MACUNAÍMA
Title of Brazilian literature published by Mario de Andrade in 1926.
From Amazon.com review 1:
Macunaima, the typical hero of Brazil, as the author introduces the book, passes through many weird and fantastic situations told as legends, ancient myths, that actually are aspects of the Brazilian culture. Macunaima, the hero, creates many traditions of Brazil during his adventures. Mario de Andrade style of writing is funny by itself, and the whole story is very ingenuous, funny and interesting. The author plays with the popular way of distorting the truth taking facts that are told later as legends and fantastic myths. This was the best book I ever read of Brazilian literature!
Reviewer: Leonardo Motta
Review 2:
Mario de Andrade - writer, folklorist, musician, poet - published "Macunaíma, the hero with no character" in the 20s. It's a fantastic trip throughout Brazilian culture, music, ethnic origins, geography, folklore, all sewed together in the delicious adventures of the ultimate Brazilian, Macunaima. He's born an Indian, becomes Black, and then White, and never loses contact with his previous lives. It's not just exotic, magic and adventurous. It's intelligent, challenging, first class literature.
btw $25 new & used at amazon.com
It was made into a film by Brazilian director Joaquim Pedro de Andrade in 1968.
a synopsis of the film:
Macunaíma é um herói preguiçoso, safado e sem nenhum cará***. Ele nasceu na selva e de preto, virou branco. Depois de adulto, deixa o sertão em companhia dos irmãos. Macunaíma vive várias aventuras na cidade, conhecendo e amando guerrilheiras e prostitutas, enfrentando vilões milionários, policiais, personagens de todos os matizes. Depois dessa longa e tumultuada aventura urbana, ele volta à selva, onde desaparecerá como viveu.
tranlated to the best of my abilities:
Macunaíma is a lazy hero, safado and without character. He was born in the jungle, of black color, then turned white. After adulthood, he leaves the jungle in the company of his brothers. Macunaíma lives some adventures in the city, knowing and loving prostitutes, guerrilas, facing villainous millionaires, policemen, and persons of all the shades. After this long and tumultous urban adventure, he comes back to the forest, where he disappears as he lived.
about the author:
Mario de Andrade (1893 - 1945) was a leading cultural figure in the modernist movement in Brazil and the central figure in 1922 Week of Modern Art movement, the beginning point of all modern art in Brazil. His book of poetry, "Hallucinated City", can be considered a manifesto of a literary trend toward popularizing art. His dynamic leadership and his enormous influence led Andrade to be called the "Pope of Modernism." Macunaima (1928) is his best known work, and is considered by critics to be a masterpiece that defines the soul of the Brazilian people. To most foreigners, Macunaima is indecipherable, a complete mystery. It has been made into a movie that is more confusing than the book.
hey, I had nothing better to do tonite. :)
Oi Man,
Can I tell "L" your story below rather than the one you want me to? Hahaha, Just kidding man.
OK, just in case you guys are wondering what happened with me during the last few days: I just got back to the US, vacation is over.
SQT and I had a great time for the rest of the week. We did a tourist thing and went to the top of Corcovaro. I wanted to have a fuck up there, but we couldn't find a sufficiently private location. One evening we went back to L'uomo, just so that I could admire SQT in her natural habitat. We had sex there, too. Exciting, because it was different from going to the hotel and humping. I wanted to propose a threesome to SQT at L'uomo, but in the end I chickened out. I didn't know how she would take this request, and I did not want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off.
In the end I think this was a vacation for SQT just as much as it was one for me. Now we have to both go back to our normal jobs and earn a living. We exchanged email addresses, and this morning as I arrived in the US, there already was an email from her waiting for me.
How will this go on? I don't know. I am trying to arrange another trip to Rio in a couple of months. But I am pretty sure that a repeat will not be nearly as good as the original. The excitement of the chase will be gone.
But hey, this last week has to have been among the most amazing in my life as far as quantity and quality of sex is concerned. So it's all good.
I have also just sent an email to my semi-regular on-again off-again fuck-buddy here in the city. I met her at the health club, and she is married. She is kinky, and I cannot wait to show her the new position I learned in Rio.
stay cool
euro
Nice to see that folks aren't spamming the thread with personal insults or discussions, hey Lover Boy ?
Ai, que preguiça.....
There are plenty of other Zonas in Rio, Sperto, but maybe not what you'd like, exactly...
VM was off most gringos' radar screens until about 3 years ago, even though it's one of the oldest zonas in the city - a direct descendent of the 19th century Mangue. Recently, it's become a place where the carioca middle class goes slumming and that has helped put it on the monger map. In the last two years, we've seen big articles on the attractions of VM in newspapers like O Globo and magazines like Veja and where the Brazilian middle class goes, foreigners eventually follow.
So the selection of women in VM has been improving a bit over the last five years or so as the place cleans itself up compared to what it used to be. The other zonas, however, are more like what VM used to be: older women, younger but harder women, more pimping, more "wham-bam-thank-you ma'am" sex and cheaper sex.
There is, of course, the port area Zona, centered around Praça Mauá and several people here have written about that. This caters to gringos, too, but mostly gringos off of cargo ships and the like. There's even a bar that speaks Tagalog and several that speak Chinese, so this is your rough-and-ready sailors zona, though there's still fun to be had there.
The SAARA in back of the Uruguaiana popular market also has a zona of two or three streets and these feed into Praça Tiradentes. Try R. Imperatriz Leopoldina from about 5 PM on. This area is where all the commerce workers and such go to get laid after a hard day's for 20 reais or so and many of the women working here are pretty... well... shopworn. But again, peoples' tastes vary and there are also plenty of younger, prettier girls around here, too.
There are several zonas in the North Zone and a famous one along the waterfront in Niteroi, but I haven't scoped those out personally. You already know about Quinta da Boa Vista but a warning: that's a very dangerous area. I work around there, so I have some first hand experience with what goes on. Mangueira hill is just a bullet's flight away. Last Friday, as a matter of fact, coming out of the Quinta, a team of PMs were retrieving a submachinegun from the bushes next to the biological station and a couple of weeks ago, a gang hit the barracks nearby at rush hour and went zooming down the avenida up to Mangueira blazing away at the cops.
So watch it.
If you're adventuresome, there's plenty of prostituion in Lapa. BE CAREFUL here, however, as this is a mixed zona with a lot of transvestite traffic. So much, in fact, that many guys on this board presume that there's ONLY trannies in Lapa. Not true. Once one gets farther down from Praça da Cruz Vermelho and crosses over towards Praça Tiradentes, the number of het female streetwalkers increases dramatically.
Lessee... What else... This is just off the top of my head and in a hurry. I've also noted an increase in the number of pros hanging around Cinelândia as the Centro has become chic again. But this scene is a bit like the gringo bar scene in Ipanema: it's hard to tell who's a pro, who's a "normal" girl on the binge after getting out of the office and who's gringo-chaser on the make for a sugar daddy. Amarelinho in Cinelândia has become a point for many gringos and this, of course, attracts the women.
Stay away from the Lapa-near-the-aqueducts scene, avoid the Passeio Público zona in Glória and the zona along the divide between Ipanema and Copacabana near Rainha Elizabeth as these are tranny zonas. No matter how good you think they look, they aren't.
Macunaima,
I appreciate your information. I enjoy Praça Mauá, with the Filipino bar and Florida. VM is great as well. I'm familiar with the action at Quinta da Boa Vista, Lapa and Saara, but I didn't really like it.
Niteroi and Cinelândia sounds interesting.
What about other areas in Zona Norte? Maduereira, Penha or maybe Duque de Caxias? I guess there must be some good action as well.
By the way, I've never seen so many beautiful girls in Rio that I've seen at Pyramide in Duque, on Saturday evenings.
DdC has several zonas, but since I've never lived there, I've only heard about them. In fact, ALL the periphery cities ahve their zonas and strips and all the residents know where they are. One thing's for certain: if you go out there, you're not going to find many gringos, which could be good or bad.
Well, if you start getting e-mails and letters from SQT asking for cash because of some emergency, I suggest you rethink your passion. If I'm right about her, that would be the most common next step: a sob story about how she can't make tuition or how her mom needs medicine or whatever.
Well, if you start getting e-mails and letters from SQT asking for cash because of some emergency, I suggest you rethink your passion. If I'm right about her, that would be the most common next step: a sob story about how she can't make tuition or how her mom needs medicine or whatever.
What!?!? How can you say something like this Macu? Just because she works in a terma and bangs guys for a living, doesn't mean she would lie about something like that! How dare you point out the obvious! Geez, the nerve of some people on this board, LOL.
Anyways, enough of the joking. I actually want to give some information as well, and I noticed that Sperto mentioned the Florida Bar below, at Praça Mauá, near the Policia Federal building. I'm suprised this place isn't mentioned more on this board, IMHO it is one of the best values in Rio, along with Termas 502. Many of the girls that work at Florida could rival girls that work at L'uomo and Monte Carlo, lots of cute young girls, some just starting out. The last time I was there in September, it was R65 for 30 min, or R110 for 1 hour, room included, very good deal. The rooms aren't anything special, a notch or two below 502, but they get the job done.
Also right next to Florida is Scandinavia Bar, this would be a good place if you are into older women, as it looked like this was the place that Help garotas go to retire, kinda like an old folks home for programmas lol. Average age was about 35-40 or so, maybe older. They don't have rooms on site but there is a motel right next door, the Motel Puma I think its called. Never had the honor to visit, so I can't say how nice it is, but it doesn't look that great.
Never been to the Filipino Bar, where is it Sperto? Is it like Scandinavia?
I happen to mention to a friend of mine this week about Help closing and that I read here that it looks like it might happen next May. This friend is a regular in Rio and has good current information. He responded to me that yes he had heard about the May date also. He also told me that not too long ago the owners of Help realized that this was going to happen and were looking for a replacement place and at the time the bingo hall by arpoador was vacant and they were going to secure that. But they didn't because I guess they thought at the time that Help itself still had a chance of staying open and they let the place go but now it looks like there is no help for Help.
So I guess the moral of the story is that the owners of Help even though they may loose their current location are interested in finding a new replacement location. This brightens my day as you can imagine even though I think the current Help location is perfect and no place will ever be better but that is just IMHO.
A replacement place just makes sense for these business men as this is about the only club I know that is crowded 7 days a week the way it is even though it is in a tourist locale.
I do believe that the business men that own Help own other clubs in Rio also but I would be willing to bet that those clubs are not pulling in the crowds 7 days a week like Help is. Maybe they can shut one of those other clubs down and call it Help II or A hard days night or whatever.
Well, if you start getting e-mails and letters from SQT asking for cash because of some emergency, I suggest you rethink your passion. If I'm right about her, that would be the most common next step: a sob story about how she can't make tuition or how her mom needs medicine or whatever.
Wow, Macu, you are so right! Why didn't I think of this? I bet that this is what she is going to do! These first two emails that she sent me and didn't mention money must have just been to throw me off. That is so like these sly dogs, to talk about missing me and all the great times we had, and all that.
Of course, there is one little thing that I don't understand, and perhaps you can help me with this, Macu: She co-owns a really nice condo on the Copa and had invited me up to her place. She shares it with her cousin, paid for by their grandfather. I guess if she wanted to sucker me with a sob story about the lack of money, she should have kept that part a secret.
The girl makes at least ten times what you do, Macu, I bet. She is not going to be in need for dough. Certainly not with a body like hers! I am still laughing my ass off!!!
But all of the friendly bantering aside. You bring up a good point. About 5 years ago I was down in Sampa for a business deal. My whole trip was arranged by a travel agency in Sao Paulo, and my business partners really wanted to impress me, paying for everything, limo, driver, nice hotel, and so on. During my stay, one of the executive assistants of the travel agency gave my her business card, and on the backside she wrote "Do you want me to show you the nightlife in Sao Paulo?" Well, I was feeling great, because I had closed the deal, and I thought it would be a good idea to celebrate. The girl was very classy; we had dinner, hit a few nightspots, danced (she taught me lambada, and I thought we would have to be surgically removed from each others hips after the way she danced with me), had a great time, and ended up in the sack in my hotel.
The big mistake that I had made was that the travel angency had all of my contact information: real name, work address, phone number, email, the whole bit. So after I left Brazil, the sweet little one-night stand starts to get very clingy, calls, emails, writes, sends poetry and scented lacy underwear, a cd with lambada tunes, and so on. In the beginning I tried to be nice and let her down easy. But she just wouldn't go away, even made preparations to fly to the US - before 9/11 it was a bit easier to do this. Then I had to really put my foot down and tell her in no uncertain terms what the deal was. But still word got around at work, and it caused me a bit of trouble. Lost my girlfriend, too, over this.
What did this teach me? Always use an assumed name! Never give out your real contact information! Create an email account that is used to communicate for only one purpose! Use a calling card or VOIP technology when talking to the girl from the US; never use you cell phone or, worse, your home phone! Cover your tracks in such a way that you can always simply let the communication channel go dead, if you have to! If you are getting tired of a girl in such a situation, then delete the one-purpose email account, toss the phone number, and you are a free man.
I love to dream, but now I also always prepare for a possible nightmare.
cheers
euro (not my real name, LOL)
So I'm obviously not talking out my a$$ then, hey Euro?
I am always optimistic, but try not to be stupid. One needs to be prepared for negative outcomes and limit the damage. If you read my report on how I got robbed, you should have realized this about me. To this end I completely trust SQT, until proven wrong (hopefully never, of course). Lenin said that trust is good, but control better.
Macu, it is not like you necessarily say wrong things. But you say totally obvious things, and you say them over and over again. That's why a lot of the guys on this board think that you are such a buzz-kill. I am still in a way too good mood to let all of this bother me, though. I am guessing that you have never been inside an upscale terma. Maybe you should try it, have them dance for you, get laid a couple of times, have a good time, roll with it. Who knows, this might change your entire outlook.
In the meantime I have started learning Portuguese. Since SQT writes me emails in Protuguese, I have to use web translating tools to figure out what she said. This is fun, and I am learning. Today I also just ordered a language course on Amazon.com. You know, just in case this whole thing holds up until my next trip to Rio in a couple of months.
On the other hand, that secretary in Soa Paulo was definitely not a pro. And sometimes it is a whole lot harder to keep the non-pros at arm's length. That experience with this secretary, by the way, was one of the things that came to my mind when I pondered if I should have that date with that VARIG stewardess ("just for drinks", see my report on day 3). VARIG flight attendants can use United and fly into the US for almost nothing and hunt you down ;)
euro
...In fact, ALL the periphery cities ahve their zonas and strips and all the residents know where they are. One thing's for certain: if you go out there, you're not going to find many gringos, which could be good or bad. That's a very good thing. If VM became too popular among gringos it would spoil VM. I'm sure it won't happen.
Never been to the Filipino Bar, where is it Sperto? Is it like Scandinavia? The Filipino Bar is just across the street from Scandinavia, next to PF. The Filipino Bar is a very fun place to hang out before heading to Florida. It's just a very simple bar with a nice mixture of pro's. Some beauties and a lot of dog-faced pro's. Girls heading to Florida often pass there. Easy to get a good price for one hour at Puma or Vitória Régia. I guess it's called the Filippino Bar because it's popular among sailors from the Philippines.
I agree that Florida is excellent value. The rooms upstairs are simple, but holds a higher standard than VM. Take phone numbers from the strippers, and meet them during daytime.
I never liked Scandinavia.
VARIG flight attendants can use United and fly into the US for almost nothing and hunt you down ;)
This is so true. I have had nothing but "bunny boiling stalkers" when dating non pros here in Rio. They just don't understand what "no I don't want to see you again" means.
Each year I spend about 2 months in Eastern Europe. Have been doing this for 10 years, in that time I have only dated non pros. I just never get around to sampling the P4P action there. The non pros there are beautiful, attracted to westerners, and kinky good fun.
My point is, the GDP's in Rio are the way to go. Have fun with them, but don't take them to seriously, all the things Euro appears to be doing. Life is good!
MAC, You are a serial pest, you add nothing but friction to this board.
MAC, You are a serial pest, you add nothing but friction to this board.I agree Bubba. MAC: go away.
Eric Cartman
10-17-05, 21:15
The Cartman Report – 2005 – Rio De Janeiro
“Well, I looked in my mom’s closet and saw what I was getting for Christmas, an UltraVibe Pleasure 2000” – Eric Cartman, South Park
Just back from my 2nd trip to Rio, for 9 days (8 nights) in mid-October. Wish I had more time to stay – a month or two would be great – but I had to “pack as much in” (hah) as I could in a short time. Unlike last year when I traveled with my good friend “Churro Man,” this time I (literally) flew solo. However due to the amazing hospitality of fellow mongers like the world-famous Bubbaboy and some of his friends, there was no lack of good people to hang with once I got to town. Shout out to Bubba, “E-I-E.”
Disclaimer: Names and Portuguese words spelled as best I could – probably are some mistakes in here, but I’m too lazy to look ‘em up, lol. Correct if you want :P Also a lot of other threads here give out terma addresses, so I haven’t written them down.
The Statistics:
# of days/nights: 9/8
# of different girls: 9
# of times sexo: 17
# of times anal: 7 (41%)
Cartman’s most orgasms in single day: 3
Top 3 girls:
1) Nina @ Centaurus – never had a girl fuck me this hard before, especially when slamming her own ass in cowgirl. Props.
2) Wild Thing @ Centaurus (“Hoanna” (Oh-hanna)) – amazing body, great attitude, gorgeous face, like fucking a porn star mixed with Haile Berry. Reminds me of that old Buckcherry song, “Lit Up” :)
3) Ingrid @ L’Uomo – star performer, still great body (“brick shithouse”), pretty face, great attitude, consummate professional.
Best fake intimacy:
1) Daiana @ Centaurus: very intense, seemed (really) to come easily.
2) Suelle (“Sue-elly”) / Geisa @ Monte Carlo – very into herself, narcissist, great eye contact.
Travel:
Flew on Delta, which direct-connects from Atlanta to Rio on a redeye that arrives around 7am. Cost from LA booked a month before was about $1000 (USD). Picked up in style by Bruno, the driver from http://www.gringomanagement.com/otherservices.html
– a little more expensive than a taxi, but worthwhile for a friendly familiar face when you pass through customs and into the airport. Taken back to airport same way. Rented a mobile phone from them (delivered by Bruno) for $5 USD/day, no deposit. I know some people don’t like gringomanagement, but they have always been cool to me and given good service.
Lodging Details:
For this trip, given that I was traveling alone, I opted for an apart-hotel rather than renting an apartment. The Parthenon Queen Elizabeth, on the border of Ipanema and Copa, is a pretty decent Accor hotel property – and fairly girl friendly. I brought 2 girls back to my room during the trip, and only for one of them did they photocopy the girl’s ID and take down her details. No guest fees. I’m not sure what it would have been like if I brought more back. Anyway, clean, relatively modern hotel, internet in all the rooms (both Ethernet cable and wireless), good shower / bathroom, good beds. Fee total was R$1845 for 8 nights, or roughly $102 USD per night.
Parthenon Queen Elizabeth
Av. Rainha Elizabeth, 440, Ipanema
Tel: (21) 3222 9100
At least 1 clerk on duty at all times spoke English.
www.accorhotels.com.br
http://www.accorhotels.com/accorhotels/fichehotel/gb/mer/5217/fiche_hotel.shtml
Best part: the hotel is literally 1 minute walk away from Centaurus, which is just down the next street. Added bonus: the hotel is close to a Big Nectar juice bar (in Ipanema), which makes the best 500ml “suco de caju” ever, as well as an extremely inexpensive but upscale churascurria called Carretao ($35 reais for 2 people, with food nearly as good as Porcao Ipanema). Even more added bonus: the hotel is a short walk from Eclipse Café (on NS Copacabana), a favorite hangout of mine, as well as a decent stroll from Garota de Ipanema restaurant (a new favorite hangout, try the Caldo Verde soup).
Cherutos Cubanos:
Went for a walk in Ipanema, ostensibly to find breakfast and some Cuban cigars. Walked nearly the length of Ipanema’s main street looking for Cuban cigars, couldn’t find any. As a result, had to hike all the way back to the one store I knew in mid-NS Copacabana (Planeta Sonho or something) that sold ‘em – stocked up. Ran into Don from Riotrips a few days later, who said the place to go is a joint in Leblon called “Esh” – still hoping he’ll send me details.
Cartman’s 2005 Terma Roundup:
1) Centaurus – the star-performer terma of this trip. I know it’s “expensive” (R$220 per girl, R$90 entrance fee, etc.) and the staff can be dicks – but man was it full of hot girls this trip. Every time we/I went there (several, as you will see) it had a number of 8+s. Every girl I rolled with had a great attitude: one of them even asked if it was OK if she ordered a Red Bull, rather than just ordering it – and then when another girl wanted one as well, she shared the one between them. I also think the facilities (showers etc.) are pretty decent. And did I mention it was around the corner from my hotel? Offering reais for US dollars at 2.4:1 when I was there, as well. Rumor on the street was that some of the best-looking / best-performing girls from Monte Carlo moved to Centaurus. Not open Sundays.
2) L’Uomo – mixed bag this time around. On a Sunday night at 6pm, the selection was *horrible* (pig-city) and the # of girls was few – we actually all left without even sitting with the girls. On a Saturday, things were looking a lot better on both fronts. I always think the boite here is a bit small and cramped as well. Props to L’Uomo however for laying out (every day, I think) a really good, free, tasty buffet back in their “Relax Room” area. About to raise their prices, as did Monte and Solarium. The logic? Not enough customers, so this means they need to charge more $$. I guess “elasticity of demand” is a concept lost on terma owners?
3) Monte Carlo – not so hot this time around. As mentioned above, rumor is that management’s shitty attitude has driven away many of the top girls (to Centaurus, it seemed). Sunday night late (10pm) had 1-2 decent girls but not much more. Sunday early the following week (5pm) had about 2. Learned some terma economics from one of the girls. She said the girls keep the “girl fee” almost entirely themselves, and the house mainly gets the entrance / room fees and drink revenue etc. Also, if a girl is working full-time, she has to pay the house R$120/week to cover her food (meals provided), hairstyles, free medical services, the mandatory testing, etc. All that said, I still like the layout of Monte – the multiple floors work well, the showers/toilets are well-maintained, and I like the layout of the boite – feels roomy to me, which I like (though I’ve had friends complain that it’s too wide and that they feel disconnected from the girls on the other side of the room). One big problem: the girls here mainly just sit on their Big Brazilian Asses on the couches. At least at L’Uomo, Centaurus, and other places they get up and move around, dance, etc. Best girl I did at Monte was the only one dancing at 10pm at night.
4) Solarium – a new stop for me this trip, on a Friday around 6pm. Out in Jardim Botanico, surrounded by what appeared to be a number of really good, bistro-type restaurants. We drove past one that looked awesome on Rua Saturnino called, appropriately, Saturnino. It was about 4 blocks away from Solarium. Anyway, Solarium is relatively small – a few levels, like Monte Carlo, with a smaller boite, OK facilities (about a notch down from Monte). Actually ran into some former Monte girls there (not surprising, given the share the same ownership). Overall not a bad place, but certainly lesser than L’Uomo on a good day. Might go back just for variety and something to do after trying one of the local restaurants. One word of advice. Do NOT take a cab here during rush hour (after 5pm). We made that mistake and the ride took so long I thought we were going to Sao Paulo.
5) 4x4 (Quatro por Quatro) – my first trip to Centro and this terma, via R$2.25 ticket on Metrobus and Metro transfer (thanks to the prodding of some fellow mongers). Centro is a bustling downtown like NYC or Istanbul (or really sort of a cross between the two). 4x4 is on many levels in a windowless, warren-like old building fairly close to the Metro station. Seemed pretty safe to walk there at 4pm (Monday) and when we left at 8pm. Boite had just been remodeled/renovated, with some uncomfortable tables bolted in front of the couches. Boite is actually pretty small, with the bar way back at one end, and a new stage area at the other. They also have a “shower stall” in the boite for shows, but I didn’t see it get used. At 4pm – 5.30pm on a Monday, the boite was a decent mix of women and men – but at 5.30pm, the place got packed – literally standing room only. And I’m told it really was only about 50% as busy as on a “good” night like Tues / Thurs. Bubbaboy believes in the numbers-theory here – that there are so many girls (say, 100) that there are bound to be 10 really hot ones. I conceptually agree, but during my visit I saw a lot of 6’s – predominantly big-assed, big-thighed Brazilian types. Apparently some of the girls do steroids and bodybuild to get these huge thighs and glutes. Not my thing. In addition, I found the facilities to be pretty crappy. The showers were cramped, the toilets were not well maintained (fairly nasty actually), and I thought the rooms were small, cramped, and noisy (had guys yelling in Portuguese in the hall right outside my room, staff I think). I’d be willing to go back and give it a second chance – I know some experienced mongers swear by it – but I wasn’t impressed. Pricing is substantially cheaper than Zona Sul, however. Do NOT do 40 minutes (I made that mistake and the room looked one step above a dirty Mexican brothel). Definitely spring for the hour here, it’s ~ R$20 more and you get a better room. Not open weekends.
6) Rio Antigo – my first trip to this “downtown” terma as well, really sort of along Flamengo, again by Metro, on Thursday around 4.30pm. This place was fantastic. It recently has been remodeled throughout and felt like a brand-new condo complex inside. Even the robes were brand-new fluffy, logo-ed cloth. Facilities were exceptionally clean, modern, functional, and the cabines were great (same size as L’Uomo or Monte). Plus the boite is nicely done, with poles for the girls to dance on – including on the bar itself, where they get up to dance on the bar! Food looked pretty good too. As for the girls, it should be said that there really are only about 3-4 hot girls who work here – but that was irrelevant on our visit as we systematically grabbed all 3 :). It was a great place, and it is a huge bargain compared to Zona Sul (entrance/room fees, 40 mins., drinks came to maybe R$220?). Would go back for sure. Really enjoyed it. Not open weekends.
Other things learned / done this trip:
1) Terma etiquette: asking a girl if she’s “completa” has become passé. The new thing to ask is: “Voce faiz *toda*?” (“You do *everything*?”) – and then watch how she responds. (Learned this from Bubbaboy, credit where it’s due). If she gives a weak response, or goes into the BS about how she only does anal if your dick isn’t too big, throw her back. If she smiles broadly and says “Si, TODA” then you are in good shape :)
2) Likelihood of catching a bug from DFK is pretty high: Bubbaboy says everyone comes down with a sore throat thing during their trip. I got it within 48 hours of arrival, and it took 6 days to go away completely. Not fun. Key to survival (as I think it’s bacterial) is to go to any pharmacy and buy the 3-packs of 500mg Azitrominica (which is the generic for Zithromax, the Z-pak antibiotic). Imagine how many guys are kissed by the girls per week and you can see how the girls become pretty efficient carriers.
3) Mirante de Leblon: at the end of Leblon beach, as it starts to curve up into the mountain, there is a “lookout” (mirante) area that has a few drink stands. You get this amazing view back over praia Leblon and praia Ipanema. I hung out there for an hour with a girl from Monte Carlo at 6pm as the sun was setting. Way cool.
4) Buses and the Metro, at least in Ipanema – Copa – Centro, aren’t as scary as I expected. Felt safer on the Metro (from Copa to Centro) than walking on NS Copa. Bubbaboy says the Metro is under CCTV surveillance 100%.
5) If a sleazy-looking dude crosses the street in Copa to ask you “Oi Amigo, what time is it?” (in English), he’s a thief. Do not think twice.
6) Restaurants: Porcao Ipanema is not as good as Porcao Flamengo. I say this both about the food and the ambiance. Carretao in Ipanema is a notch below Poraco and way less expensive. Marius remains a class game but gets crowded and reservations are recommended – more tourists at Marius, very obvious when they move in groups. Yemanja, a famous Bahaian restaurant in Ipanema, is permanently closed. The closest Bahian alternative is Siri Mole (Arpoador) and it isn’t worth it – bland and expensive. Garota de Ipanema isn’t as much of a tourist-trap as you’d expect – there are a lot of (wealthier) Brazilians there – and the food is really quite good, especially the sizzling table-side trays of Picanha that is the house specialty (serves 2-3). Eclipse Café on NS Copa (1 block south of Av. Rainha Elizabeth) remains a great place to smoke a cigar, have a decent light meal (the salada brasilera is a good salad), and serves great dark beer on draft.
7) Funny story: We are waiting outside Marius to get in for dinner. This tweaked-out, googly-eyed, greasy-haired street kid in dirty denim shorts comes up, walks right up to us. Stands there twirling a feather in his hand – at least I think it’s a feather, at first it looks like a weird knife, wait, yeh it’s a feather. A large tour group is going into Marius, and he sort of slides between them and walks right in. Nobody notices. He heads for the buffet. About 2 minutes later, my friend finally decides to tell the doorman about this. A crisis ensues, with walkie-talkies and the doorman yelling for this big black bouncer dude. The big black dude walks inside, goes up to the kid, puts his hand on the back of the kid’s neck, and escorts him outside. I am betting my friend that they are going to go to the other side of this metal trailer out front, which you can’t see from the restaurant, and beat the snot out of the kid. At least give him a knee to the crotch, or something. But apparently all they do is give him a stern-talking to, in plain view of the restaurant, and then let him go. Where’s the abusive violence that’s Rio’s famous for? Oh well.
OK onto the details:
Saturday, 6pm – midnight: Centaurus
Told the entrance guy we were only paying the entrance fee up front (R$90), which they don’t encourage but are OK with (esp. if you start talking in Portuguese). You then go down each time you want to pay for a girl. Brushed off the beat-lookin’ hos that attach onto you like suckerfish as soon as you go in to change clothes. “Eu vo a banhiero” is always a good standby :) Up in the boite, talked with one girl (a friend of one of the mongers with me) about what I wanted, and she helped me pick out Nina, a slim, tanned, dark-haired (long) girl. Nina had a great attitude and fucked hard. Basically I was a saddle and she rode and rode and rode . . . BBBJ, anal cowgirl, anal mish, orgazmo onto her tits. Great girl.
Back to the boite to hang out, and in about an hour was ready for a 2nd spin – talked to the same girl again and she recommended Daiana, a thin blond girl with shoulder-length dirty blond hair (“loira”). Intense session with BBBJ and anal doggie and mish anal. Orgazmo en boca to finish. Got her email address afterwards, as I was pre-planning to deal with the fact that Wednesday would be a national Brazilian holiday.
Both of these girls DFK like they wrote the book on it, btw. And both were the initial recipients of what I like to call “the Seymour Butts treatment” (tm), or what I translated into Porto as “dedos magicos” (magic fingers) – basically giving them the two-finger aggressive finger-banging that Seymour does to chicks in his movies until they squirt. I’m trying to perfect my technique. Worked great on both girls, I think I made Daiana come twice (she shouted “Carailho” each time, which is the equivalent of “Cock!”).
This was the first night at Centaurus that I saw the gorgeous, tight-bodied, energetic, lascivious dark-skinned morena named “Hohanna” (sounds like “Oh-hanna”), whom we nicknamed “Wild Thing” due to her inability to sit still. She was dancing, pulling her pants down to show her thong, slapping her own ass, pretending to be a dog, etc. Outstanding. One of my fellow mongers whacked her that night, lucky bastard. She was straight outta’ the favela, but great personality and body and gorgeous face/hair.
Sunday, 5.30pm – 8pm: L’Uomo
This was bad – no hot chicks, not a lot of chicks, ton of guys. We left without even sitting with a girl.
Sunday 10pm: Monte Carlo
I go solo to Monte after dinner. There are not a lot of hot girls, and 95% of the girls are being lazy sitting down. This one relatively big, dark-haired girl enters – she’s wearing knee-high leather boots, black miniskirt, black baseball hat, and a white cut-off top that says “POLICE” in big letters over her enormous tits (natural, btw). She starts dancing and watching herself in the mirror. This brings up Cartman’s First Theory of Garotas: the more they dance sexy and the more they watch themselves dancing, the better they will be in the sack. Consider the example of Wild Thing at Centaurus. With this in mind, I wager that this Monte girl, whose stage name is Suelle (sue-elly), is going to be good. I take her up to a room without saying more than 5 words to her – won’t even tell her my name at first. (Apparently this freaks her out a bit, as she admits afterwards). Best BBBJ I’ve had in the past 3 years, followed by great straight sexo (no anal): she is staring at herself in the mirror while riding me cowgirl, outstanding :) She speaks pretty fluent English, too. I tell her to go back to the boite and dance for me, and that I’ll roll her again that night. So I do, and Round II is equally good. I get her number and we make plans to get together on Weds (the national holiday) for R$300 for all day / overnight. Her real name is Geisa (Jaysuh).
Monday, 4.30pm – 8pm: 4x4
Had a hard time finding a girl to do here. There was a somewhat thick-legged “gangster” black girl named Barbara dancing who looked like she might be good, but she didn’t seem that into me when I talked to her. So after about an 1.5 hours wait, I instead pulled a silver-bikini girl and made my 40 minute mistake (always go for the hour). I had no connection with the girl, the room was crap, and when she took off her top her tits had gigantic areolas. Not my thing. I fucked her briefly in the ass, which went badly when we argued about positions – she wanted doggy (which I try to avoid). So I basically stopped, spent 5 minutes trying to explain that “It’s not you, it’s me”, and bailed out about 10 minutes into the event. She worked really hard to keep me there, though. Later I was told this is because management keeps track of how long you are in the rooms, and if you leave early, even though you’ve paid, they assume there is a problem with the girl. Anyway, I was really pissed off at this point – so back in the boite, it took me a good 10-15 mins to calm down. It was getting pretty packed with people, and I was still having trouble finding good-looking girls – too many buffed-up, big-assed, big-thighed chicks. So I find gangster girl again. Her name is Barbara. Her Rio favela accent makes her all but impossible to understand. We go for the hour. BBBJ, anal mish, cowgirl, mish, orgazmo en la boca. Oh yeh, she gets the “dedos magicos” treatment as well, and gets quite wet. Interesting.
Monday, 10pm: Centaurus
Having wrapped up a post-4x4 dinner with the boys, I head up to Centaurus. I see Daiana again, and figure I’ll stick with what I know (especially as I’m feeling pretty sick at this point, from the sore-throat thing). Nina’s there too, and comes over to say hello. Up to the room for 40 with Daiana – more Seymour Butts treatment for her, which has her writing around for an orgazmo or two. Then it’s back to BBBJ, doggie anal that then collapses into her on her stomach with me on top of her, reaching around to choke her while whispering filth into her ear (I swear she comes again from this while I’m pounding her ass). And, of course, the orgazmo en boca. Safado! She’s so perked up this time she gives me her phone number, as well as going to get pictures to show me of her 8 year old daughter (d’oh, that didn’t help). She also tells me that she lives in apartment in Copa with 3 other Centaurus girls, including a tall thin blond I see there (who looks like Cheryl Tiegs). We tentatively make plans to get together on her day off, Friday.
Tuesday
Sick day. I felt like crap. Bought some food and water at Zona Sul, some Azitrominica and aspirin at the pharmacia, and spent all day in my hotel trying to get over the sore throat.
Wednesday . – national holiday in Brazil
Geisa from Monty Carlo comes over around 1pm. I’d called her the day before to reconfirm. We go grab a bite at Garota de Ipanema, then head over to the Jardim Botanico – actually it was worth seeing, even though it was hotter than ever (95 F) and I’m only starting to feel better. She takes me afterwards to Mirante Leblon. Then we go back to the Hotel for some pre-dinner sexo (no anal), but again BBBJ to heaven. She takes a shot in the boca like a good girl (and it’s a big one, due to Tuesday’s inactivity), gets the “dedos magicos” as a reward. Hotel didn’t check her in or even photocopy her ID. We go out to dinner at Porcao Ipaenma – she is pointing out all the famous people there to me, says it is like a Hollywood restaurant (football players, TV people, etc.). Back to the hotel for round 2 of sexo, much like round one. Sleep. We wake up around noon and she says she has to go. I say, wait, I need more sexo first – she says she has no time, and I should have woken her up at 10am for that. Bummed. :( Still, a worthwhile experience. R$300.
Thursday, 4pm – 8pm
Off to Rio Antigo with the boys. Again, there are about 3-4 hot girls here – and the mongers I’m with have done 2-3 of them (in total). One guy is afraid he will run into his previous favorite (Juliana), and that he will be stuck doing her again. With luck, she is with another customer when we get there. So he gets the girl he wants (arg, what was her name?), and we wait for the other hottie (Brenda) to show up. Brenda shows up and with luck sits next to me. She is wearing a tiny little miniskirt with no panties under it. She is a thin, tanned 100% Carioca, with a little too much makeup but an amazing ass. Juliana frees up and goes over to our other friend. I take Brenda upstairs for 40: great BBBJ, followed by anal mish on the edge of the bed, her legs on my shoulders. The look of pain on her face as I get it in is priceless. Then onto cowgirl, mish, and a shot in the boca. Then some Seymour Butts treatment for her, which she loves. Back in the boite, she puts my hand back between her legs, brushing her pussy, and just nuzzles against me for 40 minutes. :)
Thursday, 10pm
After dinner at Carretao, two of us hit Centaurus. My friend whacks Wild Thing again – who, when she sees him enter, ditches the guy she is with and scampers over. The Porto word learned that night is “osso” (“bone”), which she illustrates by pretending to be a dog (“arf arf”) and pointing at his crotch while biting on a straw. I scan to see if Daiana is working – she’s not, though her roommate Cheryl Tiegs is. I actually want to bang Cheryl, but I’m concerned it will fuck up my planned rendezvous with Daiana . . . so instead I flag Nina over again. Another good session, though no anal. We end up hanging out for an hour or so afterwards, and then I stick around a little longer mainly to watch Wild Thing dance around. Dang, she’s hot.
Friday, 5.30pm
We take a taxi to Solarium. Big mistake. In rush-hour traffic, it takes about 40 minutes. Sucks ass. In the boite at Solarium, I run into a girl I’d fucked 3 times at Monte Carlo last year (Sept. 2004) – we’d made plans to get together on her day off, and despite speaking to me that afternoon, she stood me up and ruined my night (as I was waiting around for her). Really pissed me off. I even told the story to a few guys on this trip. Anyway, boom there she is – and she recognizes me and wants to get all touchy-feely. I’m like, fuck off **** you broke my heart. She can’t figure out why I don’t want to see her. Annoying. Yes, I’m the kind of guy who gets pissed off when a Rio pro doesn’t keep her scheduled appointments. Anyway . . . there are only a handful of cuties here, including one long, thin, dark-haired (waist-length) girl whom one of the mongers I’m with has banged (and the other guy banged her cousin). He gives her high marks, so I call her over. Her name is “Sol.” I ask her if this is her place, then (“Solarium”). She laughs. :) We go for 40, and it is good standard sexo – BBBJ, cowgirl, standing doggie, mish, and a nice shot in the boca. Good girl.
Friday 9pm
I’d been emailing Daiana all week (using online translation with some manual edits, http://babelfish.altavista.com/) about her coming to see me on Friday. At the last email, she’d asked for R$400 – and I’d responded by saying, OK, but only if you do 4 specific things, including dinner with me, sexo two times that night inc. anal, sexo in the morning, and no excuses. Specifically asked her if she agreed, and she responded saying yes. She actually shows up promptly around 9pm, which is a good sign. But as soon as we get to the restaurant, she says “I’m sorry, I have to leave by 3am to go back to Buzios.” This prompts an argument where in my limited Porto I’m trying to say, hey wait a minute we had a friggin 4-point deal. I end up saying, look, if you aren’t staying overnight, I’m not paying you R$400 – only R$350. She agrees. After dinner, we go back to the hotel and they copy her ID and make her fill out a form before letting her go up with me. In the room, I spend a while trying to talk with her using online translation on my laptop. She’s not that into it. So we proceed to sexo – great BBBJ, and as I’m gearing up for the anal, she says “I forgot my crème for my ass” – I’m like, WTF??!! I even offer up my Pina Colada flavored lube, but no she wants the Zylocaine. Second strike for her. Least she takes it in the boca. Afterwards, as we’re hanging out, she’s getting antsy. Turns out she wants to leave at 1am, and doesn’t even give me a chance at Round II that night. 3rd strike. I’m pretty disappointed again, so I dock her down to R$300. I should have gone lower, but I was tired enough that I didn’t want to risk a scene. Oh well. At least the 1 time of sexo was pretty great. Interesting side note: her roommate Cheryl Tiegs told her that I was in Centaurus on Thursday night, so it’s a good thing I didn’t whack Cheryl . . . amazing how much these girls observe and talk.
Saturday, 4.30pm
We decide to try L’Uomo again, just not on a Sunday. Better choice – lots of girls, some hotties. I catch and release a little tight-bodied red-head who says she only takes it in the ass if your dick isn’t too big – I’m like, “wrong answer!” and cast her back. Instead I go for something of a sure thing with a dark-skinned (morena), big butted, hard-bodied famous girl there named Ingrid. BBBJ followed by standing doggie anal where she basically is slamming me back into the wall, cowgirl anal, mish anal, takes a shot in the boca. Unreal. Give her the “dedos magicos” and she gets super-wet. Gets her so excited that she warms me up for Round II of straight sexo, ending with a shot all over her tits. All this in 40 minutes. Dang. As Austin Powers says, “and I’m spent!”
Saturday 10.30pm
After a 30 minute wait to get into Marius (meat), and a great dinner there, I head up to Centaurus solo. This time, I pay both the entrance and girl/room fees up front – I’m on a mission. My friend has kindly “bowed out” so that I can catch Wild Thing if she’s free. She is, or soon is, lol: she sees me come in, and leaves two Asian guys she’s with. Comes over and starts wagging her ass in my face, pulling down her pants to show her thong, etc. Hangs out for 30 minutes while daring other girls to do things – like she gets up to flash her tits, and then sees if she can get one of her co-workers to do it. This chick is a bad influence :) Outstanding session in the room – BBBJ, mish, cowgirl, standing doggie, and she takes a shot in the boca (and then goes to look at herself in the mirror as it’s all over her mouth, rofl). Unprompted offering of “You can fuck my ass next time,” which earns her big points (story was that another customer had destroyed it a few days before, so she was letting it recover for a few days). I give her the “dedos magicos” and she takes it in stride, rubbing herself at the same time until she has a grande orgazmo that leaves her shaking. This girl is so smoking hot in a G-string or naked, it’s unreal – porn-star body, model face. Again, gotta thank my friend for dropping out, or she would have latched onto him for his 3rd throw.
Sunday, 5pm
Monte Carlo, and very few prospects. Decent number of girls, but lazy ones (sitting) and some majorly overweight ones. No muito bem. I see Geisa come in, and we chat, but it’s clear we’re both onto new things. Instead I choose a thin black girl who is now calling herself “Carla” (which didn’t used to be her stage name, according to a friend). It’s clear she’s been hitting the gym (“academia”) – great body, and apparently has a good reputation. I throw down for the big suite. Great BBBJ followed by anal doggie that she takes like a champ. Ask her for BBBJTC, and she says she doesn’t like taking it in the mouth – I beg a little, and she still resists. So as I’m about to finish, I basically just hold her head down and make her take it. “Safado!” she says before rushing to the sink, lol. We hang out for a while, she has a martini delivered to the room, I just admire her body, and then we start things up again. Round II finishes on her tits. A fitting goodbye to Rio.
Here endeth The Cartman Report – 2005.
PS The attached pic of Ingrid is not mine -- that is, it wasn't taken by me. The other attached photos were taken by me this trip. I didn't have a pic of Ingrid but wanted to make sure people could recognize her, so I used a pic that Bubbaboy sent me. Apologies if this caused confusion. I didn't mean to try to "claim" it as mine. I believe the source is actually Kedelson or Bandy. On the other board, WSG Forum, when I posted a few days ago I did say the ingrid pic wasn't mine. Not trying to be coy. Again, apologies for any confusion.
I've noticed several posts added over the last couple days with specific, useful information for the gentleman traveler to Rio from Sperto, Ezinho, and, yes, Macuniama (don't hit me! I thought his post on "Other VMs" was helpful). Hoping to encourage more good examples of information not insult, I'll add a few of my favorites. Recognize that these reflect my personal experiences, and your results may vary.
Best Foodie Experience: if you like seafood and Bahian style sauces, Tia Palmira Restaurante is without an equal anywhere. Top chefs from the US sit there in awe (or hustle back to the kitchen, if they know Portuguese). No menu: you sit down and they serve you based on the best seafood available that day. And serve you and serve you. Seven appetizer courses, eight entrees, seven desserts, for a fixed price of 49 reais. Come with a driver, who can roll you back to the car afterwards. Great for a special garota. About an hour southwest of Copacabana in a little fishing village (Barra de Guaratiba) at Caminho do Souza, 18. Phone: (21) 2410-8169.
Best loira GDP: for my taste, Bruna Mello, at 8105-7995. See her on the riosexsite.net (note: NOT the same as just plain Bruna, on the same site). Doesn't do anal, though, if that is important to you.
Best morena GDP: although she is built more to Brasilian than American tastes, Layla Venturini (or Venturinni) is great. As she advertises, "A rainha do sexo oral," and she is; plus enthusiastic anal, decent English speaker, and has her own nice place in Copacabana if you are in a hotel that doesn't allow guests. See her on either riosexsite or hotside.com.br; phone # 9807-4917.
Backup loira: Hanna, northern Italian ancestry, fair skinned, may no longer be doing anal based on recent rumors but still really good. See her at hotside.com.br/hanna.htm, call at 9161-5630.
Caution: I'm not a fan of 18 year olds (I like conversation before and after sex), so all three of the above are a bit older: I'd guess late 20s for Bruna and Layla, early 20s for Hanna. All three run about $R200 for two hours, although the rate varies a bit based on how much they like you.
Best suite at VIPS Motel for a smaller party: Suite Real. Ask your favorite GDP and it's likely she will agree -- they seem to like this suite. Best for a big festinha, as reported many times before, is Millenium.
Best love motel at a slightly more reasonable price: Sinless, just northeast a bit from VIPS at Ave Niemayer, 214. Take advantage of the 10% web discount.
Best consolidator for low airfares: my favorite is BACC, doing business as BTS Travel. They have offices in Rio and Sao Paulo as well as the US (in Copa near Arpoador) in case you need to make changes while in Brasil, really know Brasil (I think the agents are all from Brasil), and are willing to be helpful beyond the ticket purchase. Most of their tickets are on AA or Continental, in case you're concerned about frequent flyer program miles. Call 800-342-5746.
Best club to see attractive local non-pros: Baroneti, in Ipanema on Rua Barao da Torre, 354. To ensure you get past the doorman, bring an attractive young thing yourself, the more fair skinned and fair haired the better. And bring ID!! They require it. Hang out at the bar, so all the women have to brush by you on their way in or out -- good way to start a conversation.
I'd be interested in hearing what others on this board would add as "best of Rio."
Hey BB, I copied out your long Rio guide and I'm taking it with me. I encourage all, especially newbies, to do the same. It is really helpful and I really appreciate it.
As for Mac, BB, I feel your pain, and hopefully it won't go on much longer. Be sure to vote.
Lover Boy #2
10-18-05, 12:30
"Ai, que preguiça....."
Isso é muito baixo......você é a ligação a mais fraca.
By the way, I've never seen so many beautiful girls in Rio that I've seen at Pyramide in Duque, on Saturday evenings.
Where about is that place? Can you post directions and some more info pls?
Thanks
El Greco
Hi Eric,
Great and detailed report.
Can you please clear some points for me.
1. apart from enterance do we have to pay for room each time we go? how much.
2. how much girls charge/ time. Also is it one pop or can have multi pop during that time.
Thanks
Sunset Strip
10-18-05, 17:44
If you are in Rio mongering under an assumed name avoid the one mistake I made this time which was leaving my personal magazines around the apartment. One day my "girl" gave me her address in Porto Alegre. I then saw her looking at the front page of my business magazine. When I asked her what she was doing she said she liked the picture. That is when I realized she had probably already gotten my address. Given that she has been a "bunny boiler" since I got to Rio I think this could somehow be trouble. She has of course asked to come to the US and for me to marry her.
So if you do bring magazines tear off the address label!
TJ
Jaimito Cartero
10-18-05, 18:06
Very nice report. I would ditched the gdp when she started changing the terms of the agreement, though. I know it's difficult when they're there though. Sounds like you had a blast, though.
I agree. Excellent report with great photos.
RonnyRon
.....So if you do bring magazines tear off the address label!.....
TJ
The most common source of your home address is your luggage. Airlines require you to label all your checked-in luggages appropriately. When you are in the bathroom, the garotas, if snooping around, can easily find your address from the suitcase tag. It happened to one of my friends. So if you really want to hide your identity, make sure you remove your address from all of your traveling bags, before you bring a girl into your room.
Bandy
The most common source of your home address is your luggage. Airlines require you to label all your checked-in luggages appropriately. When you are in the bathroom, the garotas, if snooping around, can easily find your address from the suitcase tag. It happened to one of my friends. So if you really want to hide your identity, make sure you remove your address from all of your traveling bags, before you bring a girl into your room.
Actually, this is very good advice in general, not just to make yourself untraceable for the clingy one. I also see these big address labels often at the airport checkin. Remember, if somone wants to break into your house, there is nothing easier than to go to the airpost and read the address label on the luggage. Then the thief can leasurely drive to your house, knowing that you will be on vacation for a while. All that the airlines really require is some sort of address where to deliver the bag or a phone number. But the address can also be a business card inside a closed pouch, where it cannot be seen unless you fiddle with it.
euro
Hi Eric,
Great and detailed report.
Can you please clear some points for me.
1. apart from enterance do we have to pay for room each time we go? how much.
2. how much girls charge/ time. Also is it one pop or can have multi pop during that time.
Thanks
You pay each time you go to a room with a girl. You can have multiple pops within the allotted time limit. The charge does not depend on the particular girl, but is a fixed price that is different from terma to terma. As usual, the Bubba Guide has it all listed:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=348838&postcount=2
euro
Eric,
I just listed your report as one of distinction. Great job! The one thing that I regret about my own reports is that I don't have pictures. I was basically afraid to take a camera. But I see you posted a picture of Ingrid at L'uomo at the end of your report. She was the one who put on this great strip show that I mentioned in this report:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=398073&postcount=1274
Next time in Rio I will definitely have to pop Ingrid. This lady can move. And getting into Eric's top-3 does not seem to be an easy feat either ;)
thanks again, Eric, I enjoyed reading your "work"
euro
Eric Cartman
10-19-05, 05:18
Eric,
I just listed your report as one of distinction. Great job! The one thing that I regret about my own reports is that I don't have pictures. I was basically afraid to take a camera. But I see you posted a picture of Ingrid at L'uomo at the end of your report. She was the one who put on this great strip show that I mentioned in this report:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=398073&postcount=1274
Next time in Rio I will definitely have to pop Ingrid. This lady can move. And getting into Eric's top-3 does not seem to be an easy feat either ;)
thanks again, Eric, I enjoyed reading your "work"
euroHey thanks Euro - I really appreciate the props. I'm just trying to give back after getting so much info off these boards, honestly.
And, yeh, I'm a picky bastard in the Top 3 lol :)
And on the camera: I bought a small (pocket sized), cheap 2 megapixel camera which I could easily slip into a terma robe pocket. Never had a problem.
As for the questions below, which Euro kindly answered for me, yeh you can find the prices, addresses, etc. in Bubbaboy's multi-faceted amazing report. That's why I didn't reproduce a lot of the info.
-Cartman
Member #4156
10-19-05, 13:33
I agree. Excellent report with great photos.
RonnyRon
And one of them happens to be a photo of mine )-:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=383193#post383193
Pretty funny report.
Best night: At Rio Antigo - the perfect storm.
Funniest moments: Watching Wild thing dancing around like a lunatic, jumping on the seats on all fours barking like a dog, and generally causing mayhem. My friend has a problem kissing her now that you have unloaded in her mouth. I am sure he will get over it, haha ;-)
Keldeson, I noticed EC didn't have a pic of Ingrid and remembered you had posted a few here, so I flicked them over to him. I think he noted this when he posted the report on the other site but accidently left this off on this site.
Thanx Man, hope you enjoy your trip.
Has anyone been to Barbarella's, Frank's, etc. lately? Has their pricing changed? Can someone recap the pricing for these places (entrance fee/exit fee for garota / drinks / etc. since past reports are somewhat vague on some of these clubs pricing)? Also, what's a good price for the upper level girls at these places and for how long do they stay at that price? I know people say they get quoted 400-600R for 2 hr but what's the price they actually will come down to? Also, how negotiable is the entrance fee, can you pay less with 2 drinks not included etc.?
Thanks for any help.
Eric Cartman
10-20-05, 02:52
Keldeson, I noticed EC didn't have a pic of Ingrid and remembered you had posted a few here, so I flicked them over to him. I think he noted this when he posted the report on the other site but accidently left this off on this site.Yes, apologies. I edited my post here to make this clear. I didn't mean to try to claim that Ingrid pic as mine, I just wanted to put up a photo so people could recognize her, and I used one BB sent me. I'm sorry if that caused confusion.
Greetings everyone,
While I have not yet established a specific threshold for initiating a Serial Antangonist survey, complaints from 7 Senior Members is enough for me.
Pursuant to the Forum's Serial Antagonist Policy, I have posted a poll to ascertain the Membership's opinion regarding the cumulative reports of Macunaima. This poll may be found in this Forum in it's own thread with the title "Is Macunaimaa Serial Antagonist?"
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Please remember that votes by new members (registering after today's date) will not be included in this poll's final vote tally.
In addition to your vote, I would also encourage you to post your comments.
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Exec Talent
10-20-05, 05:48
You can find a lot of the Barbarella girls outside of and at Help after work and on their off nights. On a recent visit I spent some time with a very cute Japanese/Brazilian who danced there. I met her at Help. She stayed the night for R$200-R$250.
I too have had the benefit of using this board for assistance in my travels around the world and would like to give something back in return.
I will not go into too many details regarding my current stay in Rio; Eric and Bubba have provided all the facts you will ever need to have an enjoyable trip. Excellent job Gentlemen. I will provide some basic information with respect to Termas I have visited; readers digest version.
I have had the spent time at 4x4, Monte Carlo, Loumos as well as Centarus. 4x4 gives you the best bang for you buck if you don't mind going to Centro. Lots of girls and a good variety, but after 19:00 it can get really busy. MC's and Loumo don't have as many girls and cost a bit more, but if you are staying in Copa it is handy and you will find someone to take care of all your fantasies. I had a great dupla; Laura and Ralphaella at MC. They work great together and will make sure you are very satisfied.
In my humble opinion Centarus has the largest percentage of attractive women, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You must also be prepared to fork out more money. These girls will really work you, they are far more aggresive than at the other clubs which is nice if you want to sit on your ass and have them come to you. On the other hand it can get really annoying if you want to kickback have a drink, relax and scope out your next conquest. You also have to watch the up-sell here they will really try for 60 minutes and an upgrade to a suite (another 195r). They are also constantly after you for a dupla.
The bottom line is they all have a girls that will meet your needs. If you enjoy the Brazilian bunda and boobs are not a priority I would suggest the 4x4, MC or Loumo. If you want the bunda and a nice rack (natural or fake) your best bet is Centarus.
Enjoy your time gents
BB
You can find a lot of the Barbarella girls outside of and at Help after work and on their off nights. On a recent visit I spent some time with a very cute Japanese/Brazilian who danced there. I met her at Help. She stayed the night for R$200-R$250.When do they get off work from Barbarella? Is going to Barbarella, Frank's, etc. more of a hassle than Help or the other way around?
Thanks
Exec Talent:
I met a half Japanese half Brazilian girl at Help two years ago. I wonder if this is the same one. She was very tall, close to 6 feet, and a knockout. She was very stuck up and danced with herself. She did not dance with any guys all nite. And she was superexpensive.
Bob Amp,
I was curious how your Rio stay developed. You posted the first two days, but nothing since. Your first day seemed like an impossible pace to keep. Did you fizzle?
LOL
euro
When do they get off work from Barbarella? Is going to Barbarella, Frank's, etc. more of a hassle than Help or the other way around?
Thanks
Barbarella girls get off of work in one of two ways. First if she gets picked to go with a client and after she fullfills her obligations to him, she is free to go.
The other way is if she doesn't get picked then she has to stay till closing which is in the 3 AM range I am guessing. So any girl you meet at Help after 1 pM or so has either had another customer before you or nobody picked her and she is hungry for some dineiro.
These types of clubs are pretty much no hassle at all but they are expensive. They are similar to a topless club in New York where there are girls dancing topless and bottomless and other girls just walking around available to have a drink with you and chat with you and once in a while all the girls go on a big stage and dance for you for you to check them out. Sometimes they may even invite you on stage with them to dance. All girls are available for takeout plus you pay entrance to the club fixed price with 2 drinks and you pay a fee to leave with the girl. Plus the girl usually asks for the normal inflated rate.
Generally girls in Barbarella are of the blond type some with brown hair, most young and per capita a cut above most Help girls in general. IMHO besides top escort agencies these are some of the nicest girls in Rio
I agree with RIO BOB
U will also pay no less than $R250 for maybe 2 hrs.
If she stays you'll pay more.
This was my favorite place but the cost is not worth it
But you are sure to find 9's & 10's. No doubt
b ready to pay an inflated price 4 sure.
Hi,
Does anyone know if there is any place left where they have live on-stage sex shows? I few years ago I was at boite Holiday on Av. Atlantica, and they used to have lesbo action, in additon to the usual strips. And at Frank's on Av. Princess Isabel they used to have the occasional boy-girl show. I saw a couple of them, and they were pretty good.
euro
Franks has a live sex show each night(i believe it is each night) at 1am. Saw this last week.
The little boite ontop of the Balcony Bar also so has live sex shows around the same time. If you are late for the show they will take one of their girls and arrange a private sex show for you for about R100. The guy is either a waiter or one of your buddies can volunteer.
I agree with RIO BOB
U will also pay no less than $R250 for maybe 2 hrs.
If she stays you'll pay more.
This was my favorite place but the cost is not worth it
But you are sure to find 9's & 10's. No doubt
b ready to pay an inflated price 4 sure.So to get a better price, I have to find them at Help. I'm gonna stop by Barbaralla to see what the girls are like though. Does anyone know if the 2 drinks included are only for you or can you give those to the girls?
Hey Euro100,
I was there in July and Holiday and Pussycat have live-sex-shows most nights. Hoping to get back to Rio for the 3rd time this year in a couple of weeks, but my money is funny and my change is strange, so I'm not sure if I will make it.
RonnyRon
Sunset Strip
10-22-05, 22:02
Is this club still open? I usually pass by it during the day but always forget to do so at night. The sign was still up when I was last in Rio, I am sure.
I went to this place when I was a sailor years ago and it was so hot and steamy in there that it took your eyes a few seconds to adjust once you walk in. The when you look around there are naked girls everywhere and sex on the stage. For a 18 year old kid in the Navy this was some sight!
Needless to say I got back to America BROKE!
TJ
I agree with RIO BOB
U will also pay no less than $R250 for maybe 2 hrs.
If she stays you'll pay more.
This was my favorite place but the cost is not worth it
But you are sure to find 9's & 10's. No doubt
b ready to pay an inflated price 4 sure.
Yes no less that 250 and possibly much more.
I remember back about the year 2000 lets say when the dollar would make big moves against the Real in just a couple of weeks and the prices in Rio hadn't yet adjusted I once walked out of Barbarellas with 2 blond stunners for less than $100 dollars. Cheap thrills in those days.
In those days I thought the quality of the girls is better than now but I guess that always fluctuates.
Last time I was in Rio I did meet a girl in Help that worked exclusively in Barbarella's and it was her first night in Help with her friend. Sometimes you can spot them on an off night moonlighting. I think there are a lot of moonlighters in Help.
My money is funny too and my change is strange too but if everything goes all right I will be there soon.
Hey all,
I'm heading to Bogota in a couple of weeks and I need some advise. I can't decide which hotel to stay at. I can't seem to find any good maps of Bogota so I'm a bit lost. After some research, my choice is down to the Radisson and the Hotel Bogota Royal.
Any advice?
I can't wait to check out the local talent!
Franks has a live sex show each night(i believe it is each night) at 1am. Saw this last week.
Franks was my first experience with the underbelly of Rio, maybe 10 years ago. I had met a regular girl at the disco Plataforma, the one right next door to where they have the tourist samba shows. We went to an apartment she was manging and had sex. She put me to work for half the night, taking a very long time to come and insisting that I assist. Somehow she then brought up the Rio red-light scene and asked me if I had ever seen live sex on stage. No, I hadn't. She asked if I wanted to go to Frank's with her and check it out. But it was already 3 and I was tired.
The next night I went there by myself to check it out. At that time the entrance fee was something like US $10 and included two drinks. I arrived at something olike 10, and it looked like a normal disco. Everybody fully dressed, people dancing on the dance floor. So I was disappointed. But I had my two drinks, and dammit I wasn't going to waste them. So I had my first caipi and chilled. Half an hour later the lights went down, everybody off the dance floor, and a stripper performed. Then another strip. Then back to normal dance floor action. And then, yes, maybe around 1, the live sex show. At that time I found this very intersting. And then it was a lively mixture of naked strippers on the dance floor dancing with the guys.
For the rest of that Rio visit I then hung out at Frank's every evening, and took a girl back to my hotel every night. I only was successful scoring one of the strippers once, but this was a good one. The other times, I just took pros back to my hotel that were not working for Franks. The minimum I paid then was US $20 for the whole night, and the maximum US $50 for two hours. Once I took a girl back to my hotel, and we were not even able to negotiate the price because of the language barrier. So we had the nightdesk guy at the hotel translate for us. (She was the one who got $50 out of me for two hours, but she was also worht it.)
I am glad that Frank's is still going strong. On my last visit I got so involved with the L'uomo thing that I missed going back to Franks. But there is always a next time.
By the way, the worst ripoff in Rio that I ever experienced was in Holiday. I girl working for them approached me and asked me if I'd buy her a drink. Well, OK, she was very good looking, and so I said yes. We got a little into it with DFK and groping. So then she asked me if I wanted a private strip. Abso-fucking-lutely! Another drink. Sure. But the guy kept coming back and topping off her drink, and I didn't really notice. I was some kind of sweet coconut liquer. I know this, because she spilled some over her boobs, and I licked it off. And then another three shots the same way.
So then I wanted to take her back to the hotel, and she said yes. My bill for just these few drinks came to something like $200, including the fee I had to pay for her to leave work early and go with me, and some other shit-face fee that I never understood. I have not ever gone back to Holiday after that, despite the fact that their lesbo show was very good.
euro
Hey Euro100,
I was there in July and Holiday and Pussycat have live-sex-shows most nights. Hoping to get back to Rio for the 3rd time this year in a couple of weeks, but my money is funny and my change is strange, so I'm not sure if I will make it.
RonnyRon
The last time I was in holiday maybe about 3 or 4 years ago was for nastaligia reasons. I used to go there in the mid 1980's and in those days the dance floor was packed with beautiful young girls dancing, I remember picking up a stunner blond and had the best night at the praia lido motel around the corner. Nowadays to me this place looked like a bunch of hasbeens hanging out there, I had 1 drink and left never to return.
Sui Generis
10-23-05, 02:21
[QUOTE=Liucio]I agree with RIO BOB
U will also pay no less than $R250 for maybe 2 hrs.
If she stays you'll pay more.[QUOTE]I am not anymore an expert on the carioca scene. I once was, in the early 80's, but I am afraid that's past history now. But I remember that when a GDP asked to stay longer with you it was absolutely free of charge. A kind of altruistic gesture should we say.
Maybe it's different now. I don't know.
I remember vividly Grace, a GDP I met at Erótika. After a torrid session, which lasted several hours, she spend the whole day with me. In the evening we went to the defunct Tivoli Park (for those who don't remember it, it was an amusement park near the Lagoa Rodrigo de Freitas). All that for free. What a funny evening I had!
On all my subsequent travels to Rio (between 80 and 85) it was always the same thing: some GDP were spending extra hours for free, others went back directly to the club were I've had picked them.
I even had the chance to met at Frank's a GDP whose name was Nadia Silva. The day after I went out with her, she invited me to the restaurant and she paid everything! The day before my departure, she even went to the shoping mall and bought a shirt for me and toys for my daughter. Not all GDP are «piranhas», some of them are even very friendly.
I was in Sampa the first two weeks of September. My first trip since 1985.. My expectations were different. At 47 years old, I am more realistic (less inclined to be fooled), so I didn't though I was able to physically please (or attract) a GDP. But I had the chance to meet a nice GDP. After the session (which lasted 2 hours for $R150) she insisted to stay with me all night long. I said to her that I didn't have more money (which was the truth). She looked at me with indignation in her eyes. She said that when a GDP want to spend more time with a person it is because she likes the John, she feels comfortable with that person. I guessed it's the same thing in Rio. Act like a gentleman, treat them well and they will appreciate it.
I should add however that I speak Portuguese (fluently but with a French Canadian accent), maybe it makes all the difference.
Is this club still open? I usually pass by it during the day but always forget to do so at night. The sign was still up when I was last in Rio, I am sure.
I went to this place when I was a sailor years ago and it was so hot and steamy in there that it took your eyes a few seconds to adjust once you walk in. The when you look around there are naked girls everywhere and sex on the stage. For a 18 year old kid in the Navy this was some sight!
Needless to say I got back to America BROKE!
TJ
In the mid 80's there was a place called Club Munchen not far from the lido district across the street from a park. This place had notorius live sex shows, a stage full of lesies, guys doing girls, girls doing girls all at once what a scene plus your usual take-out service. Does anyone remember this place and is it still there?
I remember I was in Rio with 2 coworkers both women, one was my boss. She asked me to take them to a live sex show. I took them to Club Munchen, I sat between the both of them, the guy on stage had a tool bigger than my forearm, to this day I still can't forget the look on their faces. We all stayed in the Sheraton and during the day while they were at the pool I had my numbers and was having girls meet me in my room all day, my two coworkers couldnt understand why at night I was so tired every day. It's not really my type of place anymore but I would stop in for nastalgia reasons also.
Also who remembers Club Erotica? I beleive the space has been taken over by another nighclub on princess Isabella, this was another place notorius for live sex shows, I pulled many girls out of there too. One night in my hotel many people were staying in the hotel from my company and I came back with two from club Erotica one for me and one for my roommate who was sleeping in the room. He passed on my present for him so I did them both while he slept in the bed next to me but my neighbors in my room in the hotel were also my coworkers and for the most part were not mongers and to this day these people still bring this up as if it was such a big deal, I have done so many like that, it was nothing to me.
Sui Generis
10-23-05, 02:49
Also who remembers Club Erotica? .Hey Rio Bob,
You're an old timer like me. Sure I remember Erótika. I picked up there my first GDP in Rio, Grace Maria Dos Santos, an exquisite mulatta. She eventually went to Switzerland.
But do you remember that club: Malvinas (I think it was located on rua Senator Dantas). You have to know that Malvinas is the Spanish and Portuguese name for the Falkland Islands. It was in 1982, the same year that Great Britain and Argentina fought for that island. Neither that war nor that club made history.
If you are in Rio mongering under an assumed name avoid the one mistake I made this time which was leaving my personal magazines around the apartment. One day my "girl" gave me her address in Porto Alegre. I then saw her looking at the front page of my business magazine. When I asked her what she was doing she said she liked the picture. That is when I realized she had probably already gotten my address. Given that she has been a "bunny boiler" since I got to Rio I think this could somehow be trouble. She has of course asked to come to the US and for me to marry her.
So if you do bring magazines tear off the address label!
TJ
Yes I always use an alias while in rio especially with the non pros. Recently I was dating a woman and she didn't know my real name and I took her to dinner one night to Satyricon in Ipanema. The Matri'd greeted me and called me Mr "So and so" but this was not the name that this woman knew me by, of course I caught it but wondered if she did or not.
About half an hour after we sat down she asked me how come he called me by that different name. I told her some story as to why I use an alias in Rio and the name he called me was not my real name that my real name is the name that she knows me by.
The fortunate thing was that the matri'd called me by another alias and so even if she thinks she may have caught me in a lie and that was my real name it really wasn't, Thank God.
The only other thing is if you use your credit card and she picks it up and reads your name, I had an escort from VIP pick up my credit card at Satyricon one night and read my name. she asked me if I was famous or from a royal family in the United States because of my name and that she would love to be my friend. She was beautiful and classy and I would love to be her friend too but this was a definate breach in security, be careful.
Coming down to Rio next week-end. Haven't been there in 2 yrs, want to see what has changed, besides getting more expensive.
Anbody going be town then?
Anybody want to share some of their HOTTIES, looking for 18-20 y.o., please send me PMs.
Ciao,
Tony D.
Hey Rio Bob,
You are correct. Holiday is really hit and miss now. You also need to be careful with all the boites in the Lido area, since they really try to rip you on drinks. Ah the good ol' days, I do miss them, but I must add one always needed to watch their back in the Lido area. Now on the subject of Satyricon in Ipanema, my friend you are a man of good taste. Best meal I ever had in Rio was there. Excellent surf & turf (steak & lobster). Perhap we can meet next month. Planning on checking the old spots and some new ones and making a report with photos of course.
RonnyRon
Holiday is really hit and miss now. You also need to be careful with all the boites in the Lido area, since they really try to rip you on drinks.
Well, for me Holiday was never a hit, and a decade ago they already ripped me off. And the same with the boites in the Lido area. You always had to watch your back, and apparently you still have to.
This is one reason why I was so taken with the terma concept on this last trip to Rio. I never felt that they were trying to rip me off. All prices clearly posted, no hidden extras. For my money it's the safest way to monger in Rio now. And actually comparatively quite cheap, if you measure thrills by the hour. Maybe it's good thing that I discovered termas to late; I would have been lacking many other experiences in Rio....
euro
Best place to get Brazilian currency once in Rio.
Where is the best place to get money once I arrive in Brazil? Is it better to get some from the exchange houses in the mall here, or is there a place in Rio that I can use once I get to the air port. Any help would be nice. Thanks in advance,
D
On all my subsequent travels to Rio (between 80 and 85) it was always the same thing: some GDP were spending extra hours for free, others went back directly to the club were I've had picked them.
I even had the chance to met at Frank's a GDP whose name was Nadia Silva. The day after I went out with her, she invited me to the restaurant and she paid everything! The day before my departure, she even went to the shoping mall and bought a shirt for me and toys for my daughter. Not all GDP are «piranhas», some of them are even very friendly.
I was in Sampa the first two weeks of September. My first trip since 1985.. My expectations were different. At 47 years old, I am more realistic (less inclined to be fooled), so I didn't though I was able to physically please (or attract) a GDP. But I had the chance to meet a nice GDP. After the session (which lasted 2 hours for $R150) she insisted to stay with me all night long. I said to her that I didn't have more money (which was the truth). She looked at me with indignation in her eyes. She said that when a GDP want to spend more time with a person it is because she likes the John, she feels comfortable with that person. I guessed it's the same thing in Rio. Act like a gentleman, treat them well and they will appreciate it.
I should add however that I speak Portuguese (fluently but with a French Canadian accent), maybe it makes all the difference.
Back in the day for me money was never discussed , all these girls that you would meet along ave atlantica who would go with you would just ask for a present when they left and most likely it was the next day.
Much different than today where everything is discussed up front and at a professional rate for the most part. Sometimes today I do run into one where nothing is discussed and nothing is paid but back then it was the norm.
Things were much more relaxed back then and we never worried or even talked about getting ripped off or a boa noite cinderella.
Exec Talent
10-23-05, 15:31
Might I respectfully suggest Jackson start a new thread titled "Nostalgic Musings" for those who wish to remember the good old days when posting to the 2005 Report section. Certainly interesting, just not current information.
I personally think it is interestering to hear how Rio was. It is alot better than hearing "M" waffle on about crap.
Sui Generis, Ronny Ron & Rio Bob
U guys r classic.
U guys were the spots were. It brings back memories.
Ron I'm going to a restaurant that u mentioned a month ago, I do not have the name on hand, but u recommended the place.
The world changes and we must evolve w/it.
I love change but Rio I would love if it could have stayed the same.
Club name change
I was in Rio middle of sept. The nostalgia thread reminded me of this:
Club Doma in Copacabana on Av. Prado Júnior, 63, (down the street from Mabs, going away from the beach,) changed it's name to Exotika or Erotika. I was unable to visit, as it re-opened the day after I returned home.
Under new management? I hope so. I visited Doma some time ago, it was a big boite, but nothing of interest in there, only saw some old GDP's when I went.
If I recall correctly, the flyer for the new club mentioned live shows, (not sure If strippers or live sex.)
Anyway I'll scope it out when I return nov 11. :D
Might I respectfully suggest Jackson start a new thread titled "Nostalgic Musings" for those who wish to remember the good old days when posting to the 2005 Report section. Certainly interesting, just not current information.
Exec talent you will have to excuse me for my musings last night, good thing your here to keep this thread on track. I don't think Jackson needs to start another thread for this as he has enough to do now that he needs to start one for Mac unless you want him to take another poll and ban this type of activity too?
Liucio,
The restaurant is Majórica Churrascaria, Rua Senador Vergueiro 11, Flamengo. Cost for steak dinner about R$40.00. My favorite place for cheap eats is Quik Golita on Rua Belford a few steps away from N.S. Copacabana in the Lido district. It is an open air place where locals eat and the charboiled chicken is the best I've had in the world. Cost is R$8.00-R$20.00 for steak. Believe me gentlemen, when I say this place is good, it is good! Monchique located at 796-A N.S. Copacabana is also a restaurant not to be missed. Cost for 5 of us was R$70.00. You won't see many foreigner at these places, but they are very good.
On Avenue Atlantica Mab's has the best breaded shrimp you will find for R$48.00 and has a laid back atmosphere, which I enjoy. For Cubian breaded chicken filet and a much more lively atmosphere Meia Pataca is best and as we all know is ground zero for GDP. Cost is about $R28.00 and you will have to fight off the agressive garotas there and endure the loud talking. If you out to impress a garota or just enjoy her company, take her to Mario in Leme at the end of Avenue Atlantica. If you really want to impress her take her to Satyricon in Ipanema, which is a 5 star restaurant. Dinner and drinks will run you about $50-100.00 US per person and you should dress to impress. Also keep in mind that your tip is already added at all the restuarants when you get the bill\check.
Oh the beach! We can't forget the beach. Flavio's spot on the beach in Leme was once upon a time the place to be. You will still find many Americans & Brits kicking back and I still perfer it. Great spot to have a whole fish lunch (head & all) Cost is about R$20.00. You will also enjoy the many garotas in their g-string laying out around you. Cost R$50-100 for an afternoon session.
For a good ol' fashion American soul food breakfast, try Sweet New York, which is located a half a block off of N.S. Copacabana & Miguel Lemos up a side street a way from the beach. You can also make FREE calls to the states while you are having breakfast. It's a little expensive by Brazilian standards, but Sweet is a good guy, went to Rio got married and has a new baby, so help a brother out (left an IT career in the US and opened a restaurant in Rio) and the breakfast is good with jazz. Smart man you ask me.
RonnyRon
Exec Talent
10-23-05, 19:09
Rio Bob,
Please take my comments in the spirit they were offered. Your walks down memory lane are interesting and certainly give us newbies some perspective. However, this particular thread is for the here and now. Contrast your post with RonnyRon's post. He gave us some information which I plan to use on my upcoming trip. Current and on point.
You are a guy who I would love to buy a beer and from whom I am sure I could learn a lot. However, it would be great if we could get this thread back to its intended purpose -- to provide accounts of current (2005) experiences.
Sunset Strip
10-23-05, 19:48
On most nights I was in MAbs these past 2 weeks I was offered R$150 for all night. None of these girls were 10's, but they all past muster for that price. If Elizabeth approaches you and you take a fancy to her--she is a bit older--you can have her for R$100 all night.
I have found that these same girls raise their prices the farther they get from Mabs.
Chingon and other discussing live sex shows,
I will be in Rio again in Nov, too, and will try to visit as many as possible. Chingon, I saw the new club by Mabs last week too but never got the chance to get in there. The woman at the door did tell me there was a sex show.
TJ
Gentlemen!
I did my share of loitering in Rio couple of weeks back and I visited a few places:
Still the best by far is Sensoo in Av. Princesa Isabel. They had quite a few new girls there and I don't know if they have any sex show, but striptease etc. for sure.
I didn't go to Frank's, Cicciolina or Barbarella this time.
In Prado Junior there is 2 pretty bad joints, Erotica (ex DOMA) and Niko's. Erotika has every Saturday a lottery in which you can win a girl for night. Entrance is R$ 50,-. Otherwise there was nothing special and the quality of the girls 5 - 7 max.
Niko's on the other side of the road is a rip off. They have quite many girls, but only objective of the girls is to get you to buy drinks for them. entrance is 15 R$ no drinks included and all drinks are 15 R$ for you and 40 R$ for the girl. If you succeed to find a girl you'd like to take with you you have to pay a fine to house. Not worth it. The bouncer girls are cutest thing Niko's has.
Holiday, still same shithole as ever. They have a fuck show around 1 AM, but some nights nothing so it is hit and miss.
Don Juan is renovated, but very few girls and low quality. Drinks could be anything between 10 - 50 R$, depending how well you speak Portuguese.
New Munich. Forget it, totally empty nothing going on.
Pussycat. Closed.
Word on entrance fee, if you agree on paying entrance make sure how much and how many drinks are included. Now Copa is very quiet and advantage is on your side. Always agree upon all prices in advance. Make up your mind what is maximum you're willing to pay and make it clear to the bouncers. If they don't agree with you, go to next nightclub. There is no need to pay the rip off prices especially because now there is not much happening in Rio.
I hope this helps you guys to navigate through some of the Copa nightclubs.
P
One churrascaria is missing from Ron's report:
Churrascaria Palace, that's next to Copacabana Palace. By far best price/quality in Copa. Rodizio is around 40 R$ + drinks and desserts.
P
Churrascaria Palace I never visited, but based upon your recommendation, I will visit. I thank you.
RonnyRon
Frank's, Cicciolina & Barbarella
I would stay away if your night a tourist.
All three of these places got me and a conrad in 1 night.
We went into Frank's because the guy I was with wanted to see the garotas.
We stayed for 5 mins and the guy at the door demanded we pay door price, he had his hand on my shoulder and pointing the bar tender.
I was telling I was not paying anything and that we are not staying, but the guy I was with decided to pay for us both.
We were not there 4 more than 5 mins.
Same night we went to Barbarella's and this garota wanted a drink which I agreed to buy then 20mins later she wanted another drink which I agreed again, then 10min later she came over again and sat on my lap and order another drink. I said no , she put her hand on my crotch and started a message.
When it was time to go my tab had 8 drinks on it, 4 of which I didn't recall.
I called the waiter over, then other peope started comimg over putting their nose in my business then the guy I was with again wanted to pay. But he just did'nt want problems, so he paid for the drinks and I took care of he entrance.
I have never had problems but on this night they got us for about $R100 for drinks and entrance at all 3 places.
Double,
In response to your question of yesterday, I've found the best exchange rates to get the initial wad of cash you'll need in Rio are at the ATMs in GIG (the airport at which I assume you're arriving). The ATMs are on the departure level (up a level from where you exit Customs), and are at the far end: if you are facing the street where people enter, they would be to your right, past the shops and just about as far as you can walk in that direction. There are four or five banks represented, and if you have a debit card that belongs to any of the major ATM networks you should be able to use it there. If I recall correctly, the Banco do Brasil ATM lets you choose between English and Portuguese, to make it a bit easier. When I arrive, I wheel my baggage cart over to the elevators, head up there to get cash, then (as many others have suggested) catch a cab that is dropping someone off to take me to Ipanema.
There may be cambios that have slightly better rates in Zona Sul (I haven't found them, but occasionally someone reports that they have), but that still leaves you with the problem of paying the taxi driver. The cambios at the airport have poor exchange rates.
I am in Rio till Thursday, after off for a month in BA. If anyone would like to meet up for a beer send me a PM.
Rio is great!
(report will follow when i arrive in BA)
Saturday night, Oct. 22nd I met a girl, Rafiella. She’s in her early to mid twenties, morena, very slim with a fashion model like body and almost tall enough to be one, straight brown hair parted in the middle cut to shoulder length. She is in my opinion very attractive including a pretty face with sensual lips. My session with her was very pleasant, although, both her tits and the covered blow job were a disappointment. She did aim to please, and left me with a smile on my face.
The rest she told me so you can believe it or not. I did, based on her appearance and demeanor: She has worked at 4x4 and in Spain (in the “vadrinis?”). Recently she has been frequenting Help. She claims to always get two hundred Reals or more except for one time when she accepted one hundred fifty. She said she has never failed to pick up at least one guy every night she goes to Help.
The punch line is I didn’t pay two hundred Reals. I paid full asking price, twenty six Reals including room and condom. I spoted her from the street at a bar in Villa Mimosa.
I appreciate you bringing me up on the ATM machines. It has been a year since I was in Rio, and the last time that I was there I used one of the exchange windows and got a terrible rate. The exchange house also charged a commission on top of give me the bad rate.
Again, Thanks
D
Thanks Appleone, great information. Just wanted to follow up and see how the current rates at the airport compare to Help and L'uomo. What are the ATM rates at the airport ?
Bronze Aussie
10-25-05, 15:02
Lessons on Money Exchange. - (Last visit to RJ this month)
Exchanging money - whether before you leave or when you arrive at a Cambio or an American Express Branch etc is a complete rip-off :- commissions, spread between the buy/sell rate etc.
At these comparatively low USD/Real rates we hobbyists cannot afford to simply give away cash.
The recommendations on ATM's at GIG are good - multilingual and many networks - CIRRUS, Mastercard, Visa etc are all good.
Also recommend the Citibank ATM's (in/near the Blockbuster) near Avenida Atlantico.
Best bet though is to change your USD at a Terma - for me this is Centaurus. Got a better rate there than at the airport or anywhere else.
Also - always bring back a couple hundred Reals - you need it for taxi money on your next trip. And lets face it, having been down chances are that you are going again sometime soon.
The rest she told me so you can believe it or not. I did, based on her appearance and demeanor: She has worked at 4x4 and in Spain (in the “vadrinis?”). Recently she has been frequenting Help. She claims to always get two hundred Reals or more except for one time when she accepted one hundred fifty. She said she has never failed to pick up at least one guy every night she goes to Help.
The punch line is I didn’t pay two hundred Reals. I paid full asking price, twenty six Reals including room and condom. I spoted her from the street at a bar in Villa Mimosa.
Mr Sunset, this is a great little story and I get the punch line but my question is why do you think she would be working in Villa Mimosa for peanuts when she can get up to 200 reais at Help?
Lessons on Money Exchange. - (Last visit to RJ this month)
Best bet though is to change your USD at a Terma - for me this is Centaurus. Got a better rate there than at the airport or anywhere else.
Also - always bring back a couple hundred Reals - you need it for taxi money on your next trip. And lets face it, having been down chances are that you are going again sometime soon.
Yes cash is better now than an ATM card, I always trocar my money at Help and get a better rate but that can change. now the dollar is firming against the real today it was at 2.26 to the dollar I hope the trend continues.
I don't know if Im permitted to say this or not but I remember in the 80's if you changed your money at an official cambio then you would get more or less the official rate but everywhere there were people looking to exchange dollars for you at the black market rate for 30 to 40 percent over the official rate, it was incredable and made things so cheap. Those days may not come back as they have their inflation more or less under control. Back then I think it was about 100% a year, the currency was called Cruzieros and you would walk out after changing with a pile of bills.
One churrascaria is missing from Ron's report:
Churrascaria Palace, that's next to Copacabana Palace. By far best price/quality in Copa. Rodizio is around 40 R$ + drinks and desserts.
P
Churrascaria's are fine and I love them but one of the best restaurants in Copacabana is Don Camillo on Rua bolivar and Ave. Atlantico. when I am alone I usually sit outside and the staff is the most professional and the food is great Italian with a great wine list. When I am with a date sometimes I like to sit inside as they have the strolling minstrels and the staff is very helpful.
If Im alone and I am going to Help, I have dinner there then after I am finished I walk 2 blocks to Help and thats it. One of the Matri'd's used to be a bartender in Help years ago so he has lots of good stories.
Mariu's the famous Churrascaria I have been going to for over 20 years but since they remodeled I don't like it so much as it looks like a restaurant in New Jersey, I now prefer Porcao Rio in Flamengo Park and the quality is better.
Member #4156
10-26-05, 03:58
Churrascaria's are fine and I love them but one of the best restaurants in Copacabana is Don Camillo on Rua bolivar and Ave. Atlantico. when I am alone I usually sit outside and the staff is the most professional and the food is great Italian with a great wine list. When I am with a date sometimes I like to sit inside as they have the strolling minstrels and the staff is very helpful.
Is this the place right across the street from Transa?
Mr Sunset, this is a great little story and I get the punch line but my question is why do you think she would be working in Villa Mimosa for peanuts when she can get up to 200 reais at Help?
I have to say that I beleive Sunset's story. Quite a few girls who 'work' in Help during the night are working in VM. When I first time ran into a girl I knew from Copa I was kind of shocked, but I got over it pretty soon. She told me not to tell other gringos that she works in VM too.
So it is possible to find some of the girls in VM.
P
I don't know. Mac would know if he were still with us. He knew everything.
Some facors that might have been considered are: You don't have to dress up to work at VM. You don't have to pay R$20 to enter VM. She did mention that she lived in Tijuca, close to VM.
If she were logical she wouldn't be a gp in the first place.
Hot To Cool
10-26-05, 08:52
I don't know. Mac would know if he were still with us. He knew everything.
Some facors that might have been considered are: You don't have to dress up to work at VM. You don't have to pay R$20 to enter VM. She did mention that she lived in Tijuca, close to VM.
If she were logical she wouldn't be a gp in the first place.
Sunset,
Also, considering that in Help she has to try speak English in an environment of mostly English music and culture, sometimes she just wants to be lazy and be in an environment where most people speak Portuguese and the music and culture is mostly Brazilian. Money isn't everything, sometimes.
HTC
Is this the place right across the street from Transa?
The restaurant next door to Don Camillo is Cabrall 1899 on Rua bolivar.
Mr Sunset, this is a great little story and I get the punch line but my question is why do you think she would be working in Villa Mimosa for peanuts when she can get up to 200 reais at Help?
There are some VM girls that works at Help as well, but the majority of the VM girls only work at VM. Some do it because they are too ugly to compete with the average standard (which ain't that good) of the Help-girls. Others prefers VM of several reasons.
At VM a beautiful girl have less competition. They have the security of the casa they work at. Many VM girls avoid Copa because they heard it's violent.
Working at Help doesn't necessary means that she will get customers every evening. Working at VM from 18.00-2.00 will get her several customers.
I was "dating" a VM girl. She only had about two months at VM. Very beautiful. One evening I passed her work to make an appointment for the following day. By curiosity I checked the book they sign when they go upstairs with a customer. She had 23 customers that evening. Those customers gave her 460 reais.
I guess an average, fairly good-looking, VM girl might at least get 10 customers/day. That's not bad. Of course it's more work taking 10 customers than picking one gringo outside Help.
On the other hand there are many girls at Help and Meia Pataca that doesn't get customers every day.
Even the notion of 23 customers in a day makes me limp. Can any man here imagine trying to take on 23 women in a day???? We are entirely the weaker sex.
Aside from the above, it's hard to imagine how a woman could emotionally manage the impact of having sex with 23 different men in a night. Psychologically, this seems overwhelming.
SD
I was "dating" a VM girl. She only had about two months at VM. Very beautiful. One evening I passed her work to make an appointment for the following day. By curiosity I checked the book they sign when they go upstairs with a customer. She had 23 customers that evening. Those customers gave her 460 reais.
Aside from the above, it's hard to imagine how a woman could emotionally manage the impact of having sex with 12 different men in a night. Psychologically, this seems overwhelming.
SD
I've dated a couple of girls from VM regularly. All of the were new in the business when I met them. Some of them I met like one year after. Most of them were totally different girls. Worn out and often addicted to drugs.
This girl I mentioned (with >23 customers in one day) only stayed at VM for a couple of months. She came from the interior of the state of RJ. It was her cousin who introduced her to VM. At work she always seemed very happy and was overwhelmed that everybody were so nice to her.
When dating this fun-loving girl at daytime it was difficult to imagine her hard work at nighttime. She never seemed to care about the money she made. The casa-owner took care (and propably stole) of her earnings.
Sunset,
Also, considering that in Help she has to try speak English in an environment of mostly English music and culture, sometimes she just wants to be lazy and be in an environment where most people speak Portuguese and the music and culture is mostly Brazilian. Money isn't everything, sometimes.
HTC
Yes I understand the lazy part, she lived in Tijuca close to VM and the language part about Inglese but this is no lazy chick, she worked in the vadrinis in Spain and she learned Espanhol sure not much different for her than Portuguese but she had to be a hard worker to earn a good days pay, God Bless her at 26 reais a pop minus costs. This is no lazy Chick as a matter of fact I would say she is an ambitious chick to have gone abroad.
I have only been going to Rio for 2 1/2 years, hence I am just starting to see the once really cute girls I liked on my first trip turn "less than cute" now. In fact it seems 90% of the really hot girls on my first trip, that are still around, are very average now.
For example. Sol at Centaurus. On my first trip she was one of the hottest girls there (but crap in bed). She was very arrogant, had the audacity to *tell me* to wait for her to fuck a guy and return to the boite after I merely glanced in her direction. Anyway she is still there now, she doesn't look nearly as hot and has a very burnt out attitude. She doesn't get taken to a cabine much anymore. Her career is coming to an end. Tough business..........2 years is along time as a working GDP.
Yes cash is better now than an ATM card, I always trocar my money at Help and get a better rate but that can change. now the dollar is firming against the real today it was at 2.26 to the dollar I hope the trend continues.
I don't know if Im permitted to say this or not but I remember in the 80's if you changed your money at an official cambio then you would get more or less the official rate but everywhere there were people looking to exchange dollars for you at the black market rate for 30 to 40 percent over the official rate, it was incredable and made things so cheap. Those days may not come back as they have their inflation more or less under control. Back then I think it was about 100% a year, the currency was called Cruzieros and you would walk out after changing with a pile of bills.
The dollar was continuing its firmness today against the real at 2.28 may it continue.
I have only been going to Rio for 2 1/2 years, hence I am just starting to see the once really cute girls I liked on my first trip turn "less than cute" now. In fact it seems 90% of the really hot girls on my first trip, that are still around, are very average now.
For example. Sol at Centaurus. On my first trip she was one of the hottest girls there (but crap in bed). She was very arrogant, had the audacity to *tell me* to wait for her to fuck a guy and return to the boite after I merely glanced in her direction. Anyway she is still there now, she doesn't look nearly as hot and has a very burnt out attitude. She doesn't get taken to a cabine much anymore. Her career is coming to an end. Tough business..........2 years is along time as a working GDP.
Is this nostalgia musings? Well I still see GDP's in Help I know from 1997, it's sad to still see them there but I still talk to them and never take them for a night. Most times all they do is yell at me in help while I am dancing that I am a Safado. Yes it is a tough business for them and I always tell them to save their money because it will not last.
Is this nostalgia musings?
For the record it was exec who suggested you take the musings to its own thread. I was in support of hearing such things.
200 Posts, and they said posting here would never make me 1)Rich, 2)Famous, 3)Slimmer & 4)Better Looking................Ah wait one sec, never mind.......
For the record it was exec who suggested you take the musings to its own thread. I was in support of hearing such things.
200 Posts, and they said posting here would never make me 1)Rich, 2)Famous, 3)Slimmer & 4)Better Looking................Ah wait one sec, never mind.......
Yes I know who said it Bubba, its good to see someone with a past and some depth.
Exec Talent
10-27-05, 03:45
but short-term memory. Actually, I am just jealous Rio Bob. I have a hard time remembering what happened yesterday!
Has anybody tried the motel Le Baron in Niteroi?
Judging by their site the place looks fantastic.
Manhattan suite: 600 m2, hot pool, sauna, waterfall, artificial rain, movable roof and a private discoteque.
http://www.lebaron.com.br/new2/suites/suite1.htm
Price: 210 reais/4 h, 280 reais/12 h, 360 reais/24 h.
Looks like an ideal place for a festa.
Next Wednesday, Nov. 2nd, will be a holiday.
There will be no action downtown even Solarium will close.
Full Throttle
10-27-05, 18:25
1. Nostalgia is cool. It is so easy to skip a message and go on. It's great to reminisce. We should hear the good things from the past in order to press for a better future!
2. I'll be in to drink and monger on Sunday. Bringing my best friend who has never been to a terma. Deciding between or among L'Uomos, Monte Carlo and/or Solarium. Which would you bring your best bud' to?
3. Exec Talent: Hope you use the BA rest. and entertainment guide I sent. PM not read yet!
4. Anyone choose a Hooker Beach girl lately? I wasn't impressed last week, but I continue to be very impressionable...
5. Thinking of getting an apartment for one night (Sunday) as opposed to using the company-provided hotel. Any recommendations?
6. Spent a couple of days in BsAs this week. Have to say that girls are simply hotter in Brazil.
7. Anyone want to join us (not in a swinging way) on Sunday, PM!
Is this the place right across the street from Transa?
Actually the restaurant right next door to Don Camilio is Cabrall 1800 on Rua Bolivar. IMHO Don Camilio is the best restaurant in Copacabana.
Today the dollar is firming more against the real at 2.29,maybe we are seeing a come back.
CaptainNemo
10-28-05, 03:10
A good way to hedge the Brazilian currency is to invest in Brazilian stock market. Check out BZF. So far it performs very well this year.
With so much money spent in Brazil, it is time to get some back.
**the fantasy**:
i have been watching a certain gdp in help most nights. she is stunningly beautiful, long brown hair, a models face, athletic dancers legs, tan lines that go way up and man can she dance - think the hottest girl in the hottest chic nightclub in any big western city. this girl has it all.
each night we watch her arrive, just before midnight, this girl knows how to play the game, she doesn't do a lap of the restaurant out front, she goes straight in. it would be beneath her to get picked up at the restaurant, she is after bigger fish. she is at the very top of the helpee food chain and knows her place.
once i am inside i like to just grab a beer and comment on her actions with "meus amigos", we just all love to watch her do her thing. she nearly always dances on the top stage, in front of the tables - prime real estate. as i rarely take a girl from help, there is plenty of time to just chill and observe. we have nicknamed her miss "9.5", she is almost perfect. we sort of cringe when a poorly dressed gent tries to speak to her, we know he will be walking away shaking his head just a few minutes later. politely, but firmly shot down in flames. when she is taken out, it is usually by someone sitting at a table drinking expensive drinks. although none of us have ever bothered to speak to her in detail, we know her price, she is asking and probably getting big dollars for a helpee girl.
**the realty**:
every night i have been to help this trip, maybe 15 nights in the last 45 days, i have seen her there, she is never absent. she never gets repeat business. if she were great in bed and generally fun to be with, she would get snapped up for several nights by some wealthy gent, maybe for a week or 2 or more. there are heaps of high net worth mongers that regularly go to rio. this leads me to believe that she will charge big $ and be a 1 pop and out of there girl. in this case the fantasy is better than the realty.
the irony is, she notices us checking her out. she knows we are there all the time and know the score. she even gives us the odd wink or smile as she is passing, we do likewise but neither parties stop and dwell, a sign of begrudging respect between 2 parties with diagonally opposed objectives.
**the fantasy**:
i have been watching a certain gdp in help most nights. she is stunningly beautiful, long brown hair, a models face, athletic dancers legs, tan lines that go way up and man can she dance - think the hottest girl in the hottest chic nightclub in any big western city. this girl has it all.
each night we watch her arrive, just before midnight, this girl knows how to play the game, she doesn't do a lap of the restaurant out front, she goes straight in. it would be beneath her to get picked up at the restaurant, she is after bigger fish. she is at the very top of the helpee food chain and knows her place.
once i am inside i like to just grab a beer and comment on her actions with "meus amigos", we just all love to watch her do her thing. she nearly always dances on the top stage, in front of the tables - prime real estate. as i rarely take a girl from help, there is plenty of time to just chill and observe. we have nicknamed her miss "9.5", she is almost perfect. we sort of cringe when a poorly dressed gent tries to speak to her, we know he will be walking away shaking his head just a few minutes later. politely, but firmly shot down in flames. when she is taken out, it is usually by someone sitting at a table drinking expensive drinks. although none of us have ever bothered to speak to her in detail, we know her price, she is asking and probably getting big dollars for a helpee girl.
**the realty**:
every night i have been to help this trip, maybe 15 nights in the last 45 days, i have seen her there, she is never absent. she never gets repeat business. if she were great in bed and generally fun to be with, she would get snapped up for several nights by some wealthy gent, maybe for a week or 2 or more. there are heaps of high net worth mongers that regularly go to rio. this leads me to believe that she will charge big $ and be a 1 pop and out of there girl. in this case the fantasy is better than the realty.
the irony is, she notices us checking her out. she knows we are there all the time and know the score. she even gives us the odd wink or smile as she is passing, we do likewise but neither parties stop and dwell, a sign of begrudging respect between 2 parties with diagonally opposed objectives.what have you heard her price is and what's the rest of the action like recently?
Full Throttle
10-28-05, 13:12
Bubba Boy,
A very unique, apt observation.
At LoveStory in Sao Paulo recently, there were two girls like that. They were both model quality, standing 5'11" plus some heels, causing them to tower over my 5'10" frame on the dance floor. I apparently dressed well enough for her to float a US$200 asking price to each of us. That's $500R in a $200R world!
I told her that we could really become good friends, because there would never be any sexual tension between us at all. She seemed mildly surprised that I didn't even bother to counter, but she finished the dance and subtly moved on.
Even during our short courtship on the dance floor, it was obviously a case of smoke and mirrors. She breathed on my neck, almost kissed me a couple of times, offered some sensual, but benign, caresses, and got tremendous mileage from her pseudo-sexual moves on the dance floor. I had all of my newbie experiences from the 90's flash before my eyes, and my heart went out to that night's mark who would inevitably be standing in front of the ATM one minute, and wondering what went wrong 47 minutes later.
So, L'Uomos, Monte Carlo or Solarium with my newbie best buddy on Sunday?
FT
FT,
I love how you responded. I think that I'd say this in Portuguese "Nós podemos nos tornar bons amigos, porque nós nunca teremos qualquer tensão sexual." Is that roughly what you said? (I'm always open to corrections. It's a damned difficult language.)
SD
Bubba Boy,
I told her that we could really become good friends, because there would never be any sexual tension between us at all. FT
**the fantasy**:
i have been watching a certain gdp in help most nights. she is stunningly beautiful, long brown hair, a models face, athletic dancers legs, tan lines that go way up and man can she dance - think the hottest girl in the hottest chic nightclub in any big western city. this girl has it all.
each night we watch her arrive, just before midnight, this girl knows how to play the game, she doesn't do a lap of the restaurant out front, she goes straight in. it would be beneath her to get picked up at the restaurant, she is after bigger fish. she is at the very top of the helpee food chain and knows her place.
once i am inside i like to just grab a beer and comment on her actions with "meus amigos", we just all love to watch her do her thing. she nearly always dances on the top stage, in front of the tables - prime real estate. as i rarely take a girl from help, there is plenty of time to just chill and observe. we have nicknamed her miss "9.5", she is almost perfect. we sort of cringe when a poorly dressed gent tries to speak to her, we know he will be walking away shaking his head just a few minutes later. politely, but firmly shot down in flames. when she is taken out, it is usually by someone sitting at a table drinking expensive drinks. although none of us have ever bothered to speak to her in detail, we know her price, she is asking and probably getting big dollars for a helpee girl.
**the realty**:
every night i have been to help this trip, maybe 15 nights in the last 45 days, i have seen her there, she is never absent. she never gets repeat business. if she were great in bed and generally fun to be with, she would get snapped up for several nights by some wealthy gent, maybe for a week or 2 or more. there are heaps of high net worth mongers that regularly go to rio. this leads me to believe that she will charge big $ and be a 1 pop and out of there girl. in this case the fantasy is better than the realty.
the irony is, she notices us checking her out. she knows we are there all the time and know the score. she even gives us the odd wink or smile as she is passing, we do likewise but neither parties stop and dwell, a sign of begrudging respect between 2 parties with diagonally opposed objectives.do you have any pics of this girl? so we can see the fantasy for ourselves!
Well done, Full Throttle. Got to keep those prices down -- especially given the low worth of USDs lately.
It can be a little remarkable how fine those girls can get at Love Story sometimes. I've been in their so many times that the staff comes up and hugs me occasion. Really. They do love to mooch baksheesh.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
Bubba Boy,
Very interesting story. But I cannot believe none of you guys gave it a shot. If first the Red Sox and then the White Sox can win the World Series, hey, we can all dream of swinging for the fences.
I have had a similar experience in the Plataforma discotheque about 7 years ago. There was an absolutely drop-dead gorgeous chica dancing in a way that all of Destiny's Child could have taken lesseons from her. I just kept staring, in a trance. A couple of times she winked at me. But I thought that I would go down in flames and never attempted to strike up a conversation with her. Well, then she left. And for weeks I kicked myself for not having asked her. Ever since then I swore that I would not let another opportunity like this pass. If you strike out, you strike out. But at least then you know.
And maybe she is no good in the sack. That would explain the no-repeat business. But maybe not ...
Too bad I am not in Rio right now. I would be just enough of an idiot to give it a shot ;)
euro
Exec Talent
10-29-05, 02:08
Bubba,
You know I always enjoy a challenge. I think I know the girl, but if you get a chance get a name and I will let you know how it turns out.
The problem with Rio is to many girls and not enough bullets. I personally have a list of women I want to do, and "9.5" is on it but not near the top. It is not a question of money either, hell I have spent a shit load more on women than what "9.5" could possibly ask for a night. There are just to many women in Rio to waste a bullet on someone I think (90% sure) will be a dud.
Exec Talent:
Let us know how it turns out.
euro
I have been in Rio last week…
And I was interested in some girls I had been looking on Internet. Specially in Liliane sawn on www.ciaplus.com.
Of course I just phoned. Portuguese only, but it was not a big problem, I asked for some other girls too but Liliane was available. So I decided to take her for a 4 hour party (in the afternoon) and, as you do in Brasil I asked if she was a “completa” and they answered yes. It’s written also on the site but I wanted to be sure. Completa means that she does anal. As "oral completinho" means CIM.
They asked me the hotel and the telephone and soon they called back for a confirmation.
After an hour Liliane came. She is 22 and not 20 as advertised (also the photos of the site are two or three year old), but it was a good choice.
Blonde. 1.65 high, small tits, fantastic slim body. And if you will look good at the pics it is definitely she. It come out that she had a child (but very few marks) a not her real name was Andressa. She was 22. Very tight ass, but she did allow only naked pics, not "intim" ones.
We had some drinks and then several sessions: cowgirl, doggy, anal (including missionary anal which is my favourite) and she did al lot of BBBJ (no CIM). Five session in four hours and she was not looking at the watch.
Afterwards I offered her a dinner and she enjoyed very much the fact, just telling me if she had been called from the agency she had to go within 15-20 minutes, but we spend a couple of hours eating picanha and some starters on Copacabana.
A very nice GFE from 3 to 9.30 PM.
Some figures:
Face 7, body 8.5, sex 9, GFE 10.
Total damage: 150 R$ (for the first two hours) 100 R$ (for the other two hours), 50 R$ (anal extra all time), 50 R$ (tip and taxi), 80 R$ (restaurant and minibar). Total 430 R$ approx 160 € of pure pleasure for six-seven hours from early afternoon to evening.
I just enclose two pics here and go to the pics section for a real collection. In my opinion she is even better than the pics on www.ciaplus.com site made, I suppose, when she was 20 or 19.
Dear Folks,
I will be traveling to Rio de Janero soon. pleae provide informations on nice hotel that is also Girl friendly and what is teh room rate.
Also give information where is the action places and where can I find nice partner and what are the rate as of now.
Thanks !!!
I have been in Rio last week…
And I was interested in some girls I had been looking on Internet. Specially in Liliane sawn on www.ciaplus.com.
Of course I just phoned. Portuguese only, but it was not a big problem, I asked for some other girls too but Liliane was available. So I decided to take her for a 4 hour party (in the afternoon) and, as you do in Brasil I asked if she was a “completa” and they answered yes. It’s written also on the site but I wanted to be sure. Completa means that she does anal. As "oral completinho" means CIM.
They asked me the hotel and the telephone and soon they called back for a confirmation.
After an hour Liliane came. She is 22 and not 20 as advertised (also the photos of the site are two or three year old), but it was a good choice.
Blonde. 1.65 high, small tits, fantastic slim body. And if you will look good at the pics it is definitely she. It come out that she had a child (but very few marks) a not her real name was Andressa. She was 22. Very tight ass, but she did allow only naked pics, not "intim" ones.
We had some drinks and then several sessions: cowgirl, doggy, anal (including missionary anal which is my favourite) and she did al lot of BBBJ (no CIM). Five session in four hours and she was not looking at the watch.
Afterwards I offered her a dinner and she enjoyed very much the fact, just telling me if she had been called from the agency she had to go within 15-20 minutes, but we spend a couple of hours eating picanha and some starters on Copacabana.
A very nice GFE from 3 to 9.30 PM.
Some figures:
Face 7, body 8.5, sex 9, GFE 10.
Total damage: 150 R$ (for the first two hours) 100 R$ (for the other two hours), 50 R$ (anal extra all time), 50 R$ (tip and taxi), 80 R$ (restaurant and minibar). Total 430 R$ approx 160 € of pure pleasure for six-seven hours from early afternoon to evening.
I just enclose two pics here and go to the pics section for a real collection. In my opinion she is even better than the pics on www.ciaplus.com site made, I suppose, when she was 20 or 19.
Actually, I had Liliane over my apt last March, she was a pleasant surprise. Great pesonality, lots of fun and good session. As a matter of fact on my next trip I will be calling her back, good to see she is still available.
The below news article appeared in O Globo this week.
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) -- The "Girl from Ipanema" may soon have to cover up, at least if she wants to appear on a postcard in Rio de Janeiro.
Postcards of bikini-clad beauties frolicking on Rio's famed beaches could be banned from sales in the city's shops and newsstands in an attempt to discourage sex tourism.
The Rio state assembly approved the ban Tuesday night, and state governor Rosinha Matheus has 30 days to ratify it.
"These postcards ... attract to our city the wrong kind of tourist and promote deplorable sex tourism," said the bill's sponsor, deputy Alice Tamborindeguy.
"I hope the governor sanctions this proposal because otherwise we are doing a disservice to the state and showing disrespect for women."
Postcards of lithe and tanned women in bikinis on beaches such as Ipanema and Copacabana are ubiquitous at sales points in Rio. The image was immortalized in the bossa nova song, "Girl from Ipanema."
With its sun, sea, mountains and sultry lifestyle Rio is a popular tourist destination. But prostitution is also rife, and the United Nations and other groups have expressed concern that it is growing as a magnet for foreigners seeking cheap sex.
As usual when I’m in Rio I went, just for a look, at the “infamous” Meia Pataca and Help.
I must say that if you go there and eat around 1-3 PM you can still find stunners (7-8 in face but 9.5 in body) trying to make eye contact with you.
I found two, but I was not so quick to make the right contacts so the first girl went to another table (what a body!). The second was even better but came with a complete sucked off guy and ate breakfast (at 3 PM!) I could just think what she did him… She had a mouth!!!
She made me clear to understand (the guy was neraly sleeping in front of the table) to come tomorrow same time… And I promptly did, but I think I was some ten minutes to late. So guys keep in mind that when you see a stunner just hook up her as quick as possible.. and eventually if satisfied keep her for a while.
The evening I was to Help too and I was very negatively impressed by the poor standard of the freebies… Really nothing interesting so I wait a time, drinking some beers for a ridiculous 3 R$... Then I found a dark brown beauty calling herself Clohe (fake obviously) around 19…
We drunk something and then back to the hotel… Nice but just some fucks, no real GFE experience, but good cumshots over her dark brown skin. Not much more to say.
I feel that in last 5-6 years the quality of girls on Help and Meia Pataca is going lower and lower. In my next trip I will just see if I get some body stunner at the bar (in the light when you see them) or go on Internet and ask the agency for the book to (for choosing next day).
Pics of Clohe in Pics section.
Full Throttle
10-29-05, 17:43
Without the prostitution, what ARE they going to promote?
Beautiful beaches our government tells us not to swim in?
Cheap taxis to get to your hotel so that you can avoid random tourist crime?
Beer that makes PBR seem like a top-tier microbrew?
Architecture featuring unattractive, near impenetrable bars across every orifice?
The notion is more offensive because I KNOW the caliber of guys that go down for the sexual freedom or Rio. We are doctors, lawyers (okay, so we're not all good), stock brokers, engineers, entrepreneurs and, likely, some missionaries who descend on this struggling economy bringing dollars, euros, pounds, yen and manners.
We treat all of the citizenry with respect and appreciate the culture. Many learn the language and act as ambassadors once re-patriated. Alienating this group is absolutely senseless. Frankly, they need us a lot more than we need them. It is an overwhelmingly populated and busy city. The reputation for tourist crime is far more notorious than its reputation as a sexual tourism destination. Ironically, our money represents part of the solution to the reputation, not an additional problem.
FT
Without the prostitution, what ARE they going to promote?
Beautiful beaches our government tells us not to swim in?
Cheap taxis to get to your hotel so that you can avoid random tourist crime?
Beer that makes PBR seem like a top-tier microbrew?
Architecture featuring unattractive, near impenetrable bars across every orifice?
The notion is more offensive because I KNOW the caliber of guys that go down for the sexual freedom or Rio. We are doctors, lawyers (okay, so we're not all good), stock brokers, engineers, entrepreneurs and, likely, some missionaries who descend on this struggling economy bringing dollars, euros, pounds, yen and manners.
We treat all of the citizenry with respect and appreciate the culture. Many learn the language and act as ambassadors once re-patriated. Alienating this group is absolutely senseless. Frankly, they need us a lot more than we need them. It is an overwhelmingly populated and busy city. The reputation for tourist crime is far more notorious than its reputation as a sexual tourism destination. Ironically, our money represents part of the solution to the reputation, not an additional problem.
FT
So sorry to make polemics, it’s not my style… but in this case I have to do it.
I am very sorry to see that you seem American (I mean from US).
As in a lot of other countries you seem not to understand (I mean it, I do not mean appreciate) what culture is. Let’s stay away of sex for a bit.
Brazilians have exported their system of making food (Rodisio, that you most associate only to meat, but it is not so) nearly all over the world. Perhaps you do not know that this system do not associate only with Churrascarias
Brazil have about 20% of biodiversity in the world. I know that you are for standard hamburgers (preferably genetically modified)… but eating your food you (Americans) live, in general figures, 10 years less than we in the EU, we are both eating things that you think are shit and drinking wine instead of soft drinks, full of sugar and preservatives. I think that this I a matter of culture… Exaxt as sex (I’ll tell later what I’ve seen made by horny Americans that no body should have been doing at Meia Pataca).
If you have never been to Manaus or Igassu (wrong spelling due to my keyboard) and think that Rio is Brazil… it’s like thinking that the 5th Avenue in New York is US. Go to the poor districts in Detroit, and look… or in Flint, or somewhere else.
Of course Brazil is not a rich country, but I do not think that sex is the only reason for tourism there… If you sit (as I have done) with you girlfriend on Copacabana drinking a cold coco nut can be fantastic, I’ve stayed at Sheraton in Rio and it’s one of the best hotels I’ve seen in the world (with Imperial in Vienna, Frankfurter Hof in Frankfurt, George V in Paris and, of course, Villa d’Este near Como).
I really do not understand what you mean with your text.
I suppose that you are not understanding what the difference between seeing and looking (and understanding) have been to a open market in Rio? Or are you just going at Help?.
I do it too, but I’m doing also other things… By the way when I was in Rio, last Sunday, they were voting on a referendum on firearms (not my business) but electronically. Results after 20 minutes after closing of poll station… like US indeed?
I do not need any answer. I just think that what you are saying is just stupid and very ingenuous. By the way sorry for mistakes and construction this is my third language (Portuguese is not one of the first two).
IT
Actually, I had Liliane over my apt last March, she was a pleasant surprise. Great pesonality, lots of fun and good session. As a matter of fact on my next trip I will be calling her back, good to see she is still available.
Dear Rio Bob,
I'm happy for You and hope that you find her... she is very good, and as I told GFE is on of the best I ever had.
IT
Some of these Garotas earn more than the John's that hire them.
Caculate it
Some Shitface at Help pays
R$300 for 2 hrs
The garota works 7 days a week
The Real is has now depreciated as in the last week but the US Dollar is deprciating also but at a faster rate.
We laugh when we see these guys bragging about paying R$300 for 2hrs.
Convert that into dollars per hr.
I love reading these sick post
Brasil is a great place, but I think that some should pay more for their VISA'S because of their STUPIDITY.
I think that the Brasilian Gov should levy a Stupidity Tax on ATLANTICA AVENIDA
Brasil is a great place, but I think that some should pay more for their VISA'S because of their STUPIDITY.
I think that the Brasilian Gov should levy a Stupidity Tax on ATLANTICA AVENIDA
So you agree on what I'm trying to say?
Of corse Brazil is not only sex...
IT
Without the prostitution, what ARE they going to promote?
Beautiful beaches our government tells us not to swim in?
Cheap taxis to get to your hotel so that you can avoid random tourist crime?
Beer that makes PBR seem like a top-tier microbrew?
Architecture featuring unattractive, near impenetrable bars across every orifice?
The notion is more offensive because I KNOW the caliber of guys that go down for the sexual freedom or Rio. We are doctors, lawyers (okay, so we're not all good), stock brokers, engineers, entrepreneurs and, likely, some missionaries who descend on this struggling economy bringing dollars, euros, pounds, yen and manners.
We treat all of the citizenry with respect and appreciate the culture. Many learn the language and act as ambassadors once re-patriated. Alienating this group is absolutely senseless. Frankly, they need us a lot more than we need them. It is an overwhelmingly populated and busy city. The reputation for tourist crime is far more notorious than its reputation as a sexual tourism destination. Ironically, our money represents part of the solution to the reputation, not an additional problem.
FT
FT, to me it seems like you think Brazil is dependent on mongers. You must be joking! The money spent by mongers means nothing.
If you complain on the beaches in Brazil, you should try to leave Copacabana. Brazil has a very long coastline filled with beautiful beaches. Not to mention all the wonderful beaches in the Amazon.
Tourist crimes? Brazil has problems with crimes, yes, but that ain't such a big problem for the tourists. Most tourists who suffer crimes in Rio will do it because they don't act carefully enough.
You complain on the beer. That's a matter of taste. I think for example Bohemia is a top class beer, comparable with most european beer.
"Architecture unattractive". Go to Ouro Preto, Goiás Velho, Salvador or just to Museu de Arte Contemporânea de Niterói. Then tell me Brazil has unattractive architecture.
"Without the prostitution, what ARE they going to promote?" Wow, you know just about nothing about what Brazil has to offer. For You Brazil is the small world of Copacana with Help, Meia Pataca and some termas?
Without the prostitution, what ARE they going to promote?
Oh man, if Macunaima could still post on this board he would have torn this post apart lol!
Now as an American, I'm afraid I have to agree with the two Italian posters below, but not to be completely negative, I will say I do agree with one aspect of your post. If there was a crackdown on sex tourism, Copacabana, especially Av. Atlantica, probably WOULD be hurt economically, especially the restaurants and hotels situated around Help. But I'm afraid thats where the agreement ends. In fact, this is such a dumb statement, I'm not even sure it deserves a response, but here goes...
First of all, it seems that you think that allowing prostitution is great for Rio, because everyone wins, we get what we want (as in us mongers), the girls get what they want (money and/or orgasms depending on what your take on this is lol) and the local economy benefits as well. But if you ever left Av. Atlantica and talked to some Brasilians, you would know that there is a LARGE segment of the population in Rio and in Brasil that do not like this at all. In fact some of them hate it, and would love to see a crackdown on sexual tourism. For example, the governor of the state of Rio de Janerio is a right wing evangelical conservative, and I assume she (thats right, SHE) would love to sign this postcard ban into law. The mayor of Rio is also fairly conservative (he is PFL, which is the poltical party that was aligned with the right wing military dictatorship in the 70's and 80's!), and although I don't know what his view on prostitution is politically, I doubt he would do anything to protect our rights, and the rights of the girls. So, who do you think the politicans are going to listen to, their constituents who can vote them in and out of office, or mongers that spend maybe 2 weeks a year in Rio, hanging out on Atlantica?
Another interesting part of your post is the part where you mention the foreign currency that is being brought in to help the "struggling economy" of Brasil. First of all, the Real is currently one of the strongest traded currencies in the world right now, especially against the United States peso (oops I mean dollar) In fact, it still shocks me how guys brag about how they went to Rio (or anywhere else for that matter) and paid for everything in dollars. Hello! Nobody wants our dollars anymore! Hell, if it gets any weaker, I'm thinking about converting some of my greenbacks to another currency. And the Brasilian economy is actually fairly strong (at least by South American standards), its just that it doesn't trickle down properly, and the middle class is not big enough. I think GDP growth for Brasil was between 4-5% last year, which was more than our economy grew. Of course, our economy is still the envy of the world and is much stronger than Brasil, but it is in no way "struggling" like you mentioned.
I could go on and on with your post, but I'm worried the next poll will be "Should we ban Ezinho", so I will stop here and let someone else take over. But if you really think the only thing Brasil has to "promote" is sex, than I feel sorry for you.
Brazil is currently seeking a permanent seats on the United Nations Security Council, which explains why they are seeking to change their image. Earlier this month their GDP surpassed Mexico and is the largest in Latin America.
Brazil has a large domestic industrial base and produces just about everything it consumes. Among other items, Brazil produces jets, computers, pharmaceuticals, chemicals and has a significant arms production. It is also building rockets for satellites. Brazil has the second largest oil & natural gas reserves in South America, after Venezuela. Brazil is one of the top three producers of food producers in the world, and still has the greatest unused agricultural capacity on the planet. They are also pioneers in producing flex cars, which can run on gas or alcohol made from sugar cane, thus greatly reducing their dependency on oil.
Brazil is a beautiful country and there is much to see outside of Copacabana. In other words, few people would miss sex tourist. More guys would do well to remember that when they visit Rio.
Still it's my duty to salute that BOOTY! LOL.
RonnyRon
No I don't agree, because we have to b able to measure the SEX TOURISM effect on the overall economy which is small.
We need measureable numbers to make analize.
RonnyRon is on the money wit his post.
If you shut down COPA, Rio will keep churning.
What COPA does is provide opportunity for the working class and criminals.
Taxi drivers, cashiers, hotel staff, sex workers, vendors restaurants and stick up crews.
If I'm a criminal and I can borrow a gun that can't shot bullets, I 'm going to COPA (HELP) and Practice my trade.
If you can stick up 1 tourist per month it worth it.
I've seen guys pulling DOLLARS out of their pockets and dropping them onto the pavement while trying to buy a COCA. I'm talking $20 falling on the ground a bunched up.
No one investigates those crime reports filed by those guys on Atlantica Avenida.
Brasil is a huge exporter : food, sugar, coffee, beef and orange juice.
It exports many commodities : lumber, coffee beans, and many more.
The Gov will not eliminate the SEX Tourism, they will just sqeeze te John's. More prosecutions and more fines.
All Govt agencies just milk the John's .
If anyone thinks that these Garotas are holding Brasil's econmy together, then bend you need to pay a stupid tax when you enter and exit in the country.
Without measureble we can only speculate what would happen. But from my knowlegde of Economics and studying the economy of Brasil in particular, shuting down the SEX TOURISM doesn't even make a dent in the economy.
I can do the reseach but I would like to be paid for my services beause this is not a smart statement.
What it says is someone has never left those tables at HELP nad Mea Pettaca.
If I were the Govt,I would start imposing stiff fines and detentions of problem tourist.
I read the article in GLOBO and that's what it sound like to me if you read the article in its entirety. It means crackdowns, not shoutdowns.
In essence there should be a STUPID TAX imposed.
Copa does benefit TREMENDOUSLY from monger dollars. Everything from hotels, restaurants, taxis, etc... Literally thousands of people whose livelihood depends on tourists. Rio also benefits, by the millions of dollars each year that is funneled into the country thru the earnings of prostitutes. The moment those girls get money, it goes right out to the local merchants (Clothes, cell phones, utility bills, rent, medicine) Will Rio cave in if they stop the sex trade? No, but will it have an adverse effect on the local economy? You bet.
A couple of observations:
Sex tourists are actually a relatively small minority in the overall prostitution business in Rio. Brasilian men may not spend as much per week on this as the average European, Japanese, or American, or whoever is coming to Rio just for a week at a time. But there are many more of them in Rio, and they do want the same thing that we all do.
Yes, thousands of people depend on the sex business in Rio. But in city of 10 million this is still of a really small economic impact.
Sex tourists are a small fraction of the overall tourist business. Every week there is some big international conference in Rio, with thousends of people attending. These conferences have much bigger economic impact than sex tourism. And then there is carneval. And of course Brazil is much bigger than Rio. I have spent many months all over this country and really love to travel to it just for the sights, the food, the warmth of the people, and yes, the beaches. And millions of other tourists come to Brazil each year for exactly the same reasons.
Brazil's economy is doing better than those of the US or practically enywhere in the EU right now. Brazil is actually a rich country; it's just that the income distribution sucks. And the rich people make the decisions, as everywhere else. And the rich Brazilians do not need our monger dollars.
But I am sure that Full Throttle agrees with most of what I am saying and with what most of you guys are saying (well, except for IT Travel's anti-American rant ;)). He is just frustrated with a potential ban, as most of us are.
Let's please go back to posting reports. This is what this thread is supposed to be for ... :)
euro
Bravo, your wrong, but even if I could show u, u wouldn't belive me.
Don't worry your not going 2 lose your job. No one's going 2 shut down your industry.
It doesn't even show up as a small fraction. There are professional guys on this site that work in the area of Finance and Economics and know this area of study very well.
Lets get a diff topic because this is a non issue.
Bravo, your wrong, but even if I could show u, u wouldn't belive me.
Sure I would believe you. Read what I said, I didnt say the city would collapse without sexual tourism. Never said it was the majority of money in their economy. (As far as my job, I work for a hedge fund in NYC. Not sure how a ban on sex tourists in Brasil, would affect my employment. Maybe you can explain it to me)
If you stop the inflow of millions dollars into the economy, it has an adverse efect. (Thats just Finance 101) If you own a store that is closed on weekends, when it used to be opened 7 days a week, your bottom line will be effected. Doesnt mean you will go out of business.
It doesn't even show up as a small fraction. There are professional guys on this site that work in the area of Finance and Economics and know this area of study very well.
Lets get a diff topic because this is a non issue.
A different topic would be in order for sure BUT:
They are not going to stop prostitution in Brasil but they may increase the heat on male tourists entering Rio like limiting visa time and more questions at passport entry and just general harrasment so that they limit the type of sex tourists that are acceptable to them.
Previous to the past couple of years men enjoying tourism in Rio went pretty unnoticed and it was subtle but lately it has encrouched upon their esatblishments and they want it stopped. Not too long ago 1 or 2 tourists in their Termas was acceptable but the last time i was in Monte Carlo it was overrun by americans and i am sure this is not acceptable to the local gentry.
The local gentry have political connections and this is the start of limiting the sex tourist's numbers.
2005 GDP Forecast:
Brazil Top Economy
Brazil will replace Mexico as Latin America's largest economy this year, according to a recent IMF forecast.
source http://www.latinbusinesschronicle.com/reports/reports/gdp05.htm
Elections are around the corner and bureaucrats are out to make headlines by making examples of a few stupid gringoes, so pls be careful. For the reasons so eloquently pointed out by other mongers: There is an ongoing crackdown on sexual tourism....so u will get shorter term visas, harassment at GIG, GRU. raids at some tourist hangouts....but as long there is so much unemployment, social inequality and economic disparity--sex tourists will continue to travel to brazil to sample the only natural resource we care about---The BUNDA.
Anyone in Rio now?---pls report on the scene
Miss 9.5 post her pic here--though I dont go to Help much...I would love to have a shot!!
Keep a low profile, carry official copies of your passports, if stopped at the airport--play stupid and tell them u just had to see Sugarloaf one more time!!..LOL but seriously folks have fun, respect the culture and brazil will be here for years to come for us to enjoy. You can count on the inept, corrupt officials who will never implement the changes that will reduce the sex industry in Brazil.
Dear All, Liucio, Euro 100, Full Throttle and of course all the others...
I thought I should have been the only one make polemics, but I see… that’s going more on.
Somebody says I (you all understood I’m Italian, so no more “Mistery”) am anti-American… It is not, I prefer to say I am anti-stupid (as many of you said). When you see dunk Johns mongering around at 3 PM you think are they already drunk or are they still drunk?
I have seen disgusting scenes at Meia Pataca where two of this “stupid johns” where inviting girls at the table offering drinks and food (no imported, no champagne, but just a caipirinha, a beer and some meat… so something around 30-40 R$) and then when they have exanimate the girl and thought no, I’m not going to fuck her, refusing to pay the bill for them… How can you comment this?!
On the other way I saw a group of Afro-American (I was thinking but I do not know if the theory is right, from a different and lower social class), eating, enjoying and planning excursions and fishing for next days… So not all American are so only Stupid Johns.
Dear Liucio, perhaps I was not clear enough in my Report, but I nearly fully agree with you, by the way I spent 430 R$ for a fabulous afternoon including drinks in Avenida Atlantica and minibar and pichana (one of the most expensive meat dishes for two).
For the others I remind that behind Avenida Atlantica and especially the Help Area (which extends left and right for say 500 meters), there is a quite normal South American city. Every body is telling on crime. Yes of course if you are beer drunken and go around buying crack or cocaine, of course
You will get in crime, but it’s your problem. If you are going in other strets you will find fantastic cigars shops, shoe shops, supermarkets, small bars and restaurant (often good) and whatever you find in a city.
As others have written a lot of American mongers acts un respectfully: why trying to buy and pay everything in USD there are Reais in Brazil, Roubles in Russia and Euros in some part of Europe. Treat the girls and the people with respect and you will be treated in the same way (of course there are exceptions). I, as an European trying to speak a poor Portuguese and a better Spanish have always been welcomed everywhere, even when I made things clearly wrong because I did not know.
Mongering is, of course, a funny part of hard work trips, but I always come back with local foods (tinned and packed for safety problems), different items, lots of pictures, and very often good experience with locals. I mean I had a couple of working lunches in Sao Paulo. One in one of the best and oldest Restaurants in Sao Paulo… Wonderful experience. And one in a Churrascaria in the outskirts, near the motorway (known by locals as one of the best): fresh palmitos, salads, incredible meat. And before in Rio I went alone to a restaurant in typical ‘20’s style, at the end of Avenida General Justo, I never remember the name, but when I’m in Rio also for one day a stop there is mandatory… You get in a world of incredible fish. Like deep fried mackerel eggs sacs (!) Lobsters or whatever, in a real south American fascinating atmosphere. This restaurant is a green round two storey gazebo on the see in the harbour (made in the past for high ranking people form harbour and ships: atmosphere and food are exceptional and you can get a fantastic meal including a good wine (Chile or Argentina) for 100 R$. In the Churrascaria we went in Sao Paulo the price (beers and cocktails included) was 163 R$ for three but we sat eating for hours…
This is just a little bit more comprehensive thing on what happens with drunken johns or harassed ones a little bit every were, I’ve seen them in Russia too. A land where I’ve been at least 50 times and never had problems with anything only once with a drunken girl…
Sorry for being to long but I think that STUPID TAX should be a STUPID BAN (not only on Avenida Atalntica!).
IT
PS By the way both Bohemia and Skol and even local Heineken beers are good by European standard (in say even because I’m not a fan of Heineken in Europe); and if you do not like them just go to a supermarket in Nostra Senora de Copacabana (the street two blocks away from Avenida Atalantica) there are plenty of supermarkets (at least 20) and buy what you want. You can find your Bud or if you have another taste Samuel Adams… I as an European do not like the taste of American beers generally (and I well know that the majority of Europeans do) because they are to Light both in taste and in alcohol, Brazilian beers are more similar to European.
Dear Folks,
I will be traveling to Rio de Janero soon. pleae provide informations on nice hotel that is also Girl friendly and what is teh room rate.
Also give information where is the action places and where can I find nice partner and what are the rate as of now.
Thanks !!!
Dear Macho Dik It’s depending on what you want
If you want to stay in the middle of harassment go to Rio Othon Palace… (not worth the money in my opinion). But in a walking distance you will find both Olinda Othon Classic and Savoy Othon (try on www.expedia.com). I got a deluxe room at Olinda Othon Classic (De Luxe, king size bed, average breakfast, looking on the sea). It is at 2230 Av. Atlantica 10 minutes by foot from Help. But quiet and normal.
A little bit run down and not exceptional breakfast, but for all the extras (telephone calls, minibar, bar in the lobby, and “girl tax”) I paid 115 R$ for two days.
Of course they have this policy: if you get in during the day with a girl which seems your girlfriend (not dressed like a w****) It’s fine. Otherwise they will check in her (she must have ID card) and charge for the service 50 R$ even if you have booked a room for two.
If you want a “decadent” old fashion south American hotel Olinda, Savoy and California could be a right choice… Trocadero Othon is renewed. But the all charge on Expedia 90 USD plus taxes breakfast included for a double king size bed which means around 225 R$ approx 100 USD. Lower than published price (for my case) of 360 R$ for De Luxe room and 22 R$ for breakfast plus taxes.
You can even find bargains at Sheraton for around 170 USD per night (the hotel is so big so if you get in go downstairs (with stairs to restaurant or bar or seaside) and the go to a room nobody will care. Of course the girl has not to be dressed like she comes out from Help!
IT
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10-30-05, 11:34
Funny:
First most of you all complain about Macu's opinionated post in the reports section, and now you have plenty of mini Macs sputtering around. LOL!
No, but seriously. This is some interesting shit and I enjoyed reading every bit of it.
I am always concise about wherever I go especially when it comes to third world contries. Hell, I even dressed up with a shirt and tie for the plane ride in Aug. in hopes of lessening the chances of being harrassed at GIG. Not to say that it worked because I didn't notice anyone being harrassed but I also had paper docs which proved I was to attend to some business and the address of my school in handy all the while keeping a low profile and I expect to do that on the next visit.
I had a chat to my "9.5" at Help last night. She isn't nearly as good up close as she looks under Help lighting and from a distance. In fact she was officially downgraded to an "8". Sometimes the "fantasy" is always better than the realty!
Sex tourism: I saw a couple get mugged last night. I have seen this so often it is rediculous. I would think a good deal of tourists coming here are us mongers. This place is so dangerous who else would be silly enough to come here unless there was sex to be had. .......36,000 guns deaths here last year, in the US there was 5,000 with almost twice the population.
Full Throttle
10-30-05, 16:23
I do not need any answer. I just think that what you are saying is just stupid and very ingenuous.
IT
I've lived in a handful of countries and traveled to more than 100. I have traveled through Brazil and love it. I'm not judging the culture here. Don't be so pompous. I'm simply stating that we are part of the solution, not the problem. If you think Rio is better served by alienating us, then go sign the petition. The fact is, between the perception of crime, the ocean polution issues, and the cost of the visa ($560 for a family of 4), very few heads of households will choose Rio as a family vacation destination.
And, yes, my post was a bit 'tongue-in-cheek,' which, if you are very narrow in your perceptive abilities, could seem disingenuous. In fairness, that could also be caused by language orientation differences. So, for the record, I love Brasil and its people and think the culture here is just swell. That said, when the government attacks my hobby of choice, I will respond irreverently.
So, attack the US culture if you want. I've never been in Help, by the way, but might go tonight in your honor and drink a glass of wine hoping to live longer.
FT
i could care less if there is a crackdown on atalntica avendia. i think it is needed. the behavoir at tose tables have gotten out of hand.
it not the govt officials its the tourist behavoirs such : sitting at those tables filming a school girl (clearly ****) grasping her books walking with her friends. i could'nt give a f*ck.
if they cleaned those tables with a disinfectant so f*cking what.
milk those filter table dwellers, so that they have less money to offer the garotas and f*ck the market price.
i have been told by a freind that the policia has done a good job of running a lot of heads out of fortaleza and maybe this would bold well avenida atlantica.
my spot isn't rio, but i wouldn't mind if it gets scrubbed so that those that respect the place and again enjoy the place.
i get e-mails by friends telling me walking towards help, you can see the change and the noise and the culture change.
he used the work "detroit corner".
i couldn't give a sh*t its not my hangout.
if they do nothing - i still don't care.
carry your respectfully and obey the laws, have your documents and enjoy the place and hopefully you won't be affected.
new needed topic gents.
[QUOTE=Full Throttle]I've lived in a handful of countries and traveled to more than 100. I have traveled through Brazil and love it. I'm not judging the culture here. Don't be so pompous. I'm simply stating that we are part of the solution, not the problem. If you think Rio is better served by alienating us, then go sign the petition. The fact is, between the perception of crime, the ocean polution issues, and the cost of the visa ($560 for a family of 4), very few heads of households will choose Rio as a family vacation destination.
Dear Full Throttle,
sorry for being irreverent, but starting on the visa problem…
You know that all countries apply something that is called reciprocity. The one who started with costly and complicated visas procedures will get, usually, the same in the country he is going to. (US visa procedures are not simple, even for EU citizens if you need a specific visa or a temporarily working one). You can’t think that on ground you are American you are entitled to go every where as you like. Rights should every one. I as an European Union Citizen are welcome in Brazil (and in a lot of other countries) and it’s costs nothing.
Please do not go to Help it’s not worth the ticket… in case send me a personal letter and I’ll give you some phone numbers… It’s much better.
Help, as I have seen it now (not in the 90’s) is just something ugly.
I can understand different cultures… and I’ll eat a real American Breakfast in your Honor.
I hope that we can meet somewhere.
IT
i could care less if there is a crackdown on atalntica avendia. i think it is needed. the behavoir at tose tables have gotten out of hand.
it not the govt officials its the tourist behavoirs such : sitting at those tables filming a school girl (clearly ****) grasping her books walking with her friends. i could'nt give a f*ck.
if they cleaned those tables with a disinfectant so f*cking what.
milk those filter table dwellers, so that they have less money to offer the garotas and f*ck the market price.
i have been told by a freind that the policia has done a good job of running a lot of heads out of fortaleza and maybe this would bold well avenida atlantica.
my spot isn't rio, but i wouldn't mind if it gets scrubbed so that those that respect the place and again enjoy the place.
i get e-mails by friends telling me walking towards help, you can see the change and the noise and the culture change.
he used the work "detroit corner".
i couldn't give a sh*t its not my hangout.
if they do nothing - i still don't care.
carry your respectfully and obey the laws, have your documents and enjoy the place and hopefully you won't be affected.
new needed topic gents.
i think i agree in what you are saying... i have even seen clearly visible signs (in bars) that soliciting sex or making sexual exploration (on **** girls or boys) is a crime... (obvious) but if you find such things on the walls it means something...
i hope too that they (brazilians) will take a little bit more control on it.
it
I would think a good deal of tourists coming here are us mongers. This place is so dangerous who else would be silly enough to come here unless there was sex to be had. .......36,000 guns deaths here last year, in the US there was 5,000 with almost twice the population.
In 2003 4,1 million foreigners visited Brazil. 4 million mongers? No!
25% come for business
6% come for conventions
11% come to visit family or relatives
55% come for tourism
I guess there are a big percentage that are "silly enough" to come to Brazil without any interest in sex. They might have other interests like enjoying beaches, nature, culture, food, music etc. Strange people who go to Brazil without any interest in bundas.
I enjoy the brazilian women very much indeed, but that's definitely not the only reason I keep going back to Brazil.
"36,000 guns deaths here last year". Yes, but remember that 97% of the killings are a result of the war between the druglords and the police, executions etc.
I had a chat to my "9.5" at Help last night. She isn't nearly as good up close as she looks under Help lighting and from a distance. In fact she was officially downgraded to an "8". Sometimes the "fantasy" is always better than the realty!
Sex tourism: I saw a couple get mugged last night. I have seen this so often it is rediculous. I would think a good deal of tourists coming here are us mongers. This place is so dangerous who else would be silly enough to come here unless there was sex to be had. .......36,000 guns deaths here last year, in the US there was 5,000 with almost twice the population.
I think you made a mistake in your spelling... the quote of US gun deaths should be around 50.000 not 5.000. On ground Brasil is the second country in the world for gun deaths. US is the first. Their figure is almost around 40.000 and a little but mor for non registered happenings, around 42-43.000. They had a referendum on this problem last week.
I have been travelling in markets and very difficult places in Amzonas (in Rio and Sao Paolo too, even in Republica Square where I was living), in markets in deep Romania or Ukraina, or in Russia, in Egypt or in Iran, even in Belgrade (under the bombing): nothing happens. It just depends on your behaviour...
I had just problems twice: once in a Bulgarian night (but it could be expected, I had been drinking too much) and in Italy...
IT
To add a bit of factual information to the debate on violence in Brasil and the USA: Per the Center for Disease Control, which tracks causes of all deaths in the USA, there were 30,242 gun caused deaths in the US for the last year for which there are full statistics. Roughly 20,000 of these were suicides, around 10,000 homicides, and only 847 were accidents. Per UN statistics, Brasil had around 35,000 gun related homicides (no info on the number of suicides and accidents). This gave Brasil the second highest rate of gun-related homicides among major countries, after Venezuela (!). Columbia used to be the tops, but Uribe has managed to reduce the ambient level of violence there. Overall murder rates among countries of over 25,000,000 population (thus omitting several small African and Polynesian countries where killing each other appears to be the dominant form of recreation) are highest in South Africa, with Venezuela and Columbia not that far behind. Among the supersized countries (Russia, China, India, Brasil, US, Indonesia), Russia and Brasil have similar rates of about 27.5 homicides per 100,000 annually, five times the USA rate of 5.5 per 100,000.
Where I think the comparison between countries sometimes gets into an apples and oranges situation is the failure to consider the USA's very high suicide rate using firearms. A comparison of just Brasil's murder rate using guns to America's overall gun fatality rate (murders + suicides + accidents) shows numbers that are not that far apart, but is misleading. Michael Moore uses this confusion in "Bowling for Columbine," where he consistently compares overall gun death rates in the US to just homicide rates in other countries without mentioning the difference.
According to Brasilian government statistics, Rio de Janerio (the state, I believe, not the city) has a murder rate of almost 65 per 100,000, or roughly ten times the murder rate in California. They don't say how many of these murders are committed using guns, but based on reading news reports a hell of a lot are. The police, incidentally, are a major homicide contributor in Rio. Personally, that would lead me to conclude that Rio is riskier than California, although neighborhoods do make a difference: I feel safer in Leblon than in East Palo Alto, for example.
I think you made a mistake in your spelling... the quote of US gun deaths should be around 50.000 not 5.000. On ground Brasil is the second country in the world for gun deaths. US is the first. Their figure is almost around 40.000 and a little but mor for non registered happenings, around 42-43.000. They had a referendum on this problem last week.
I have been travelling in markets and very difficult places in Amzonas (in Rio and Sao Paolo too, even in Republica Square where I was living), in markets in deep Romania or Ukraina, or in Russia, in Egypt or in Iran, even in Belgrade (under the bombing): nothing happens. It just depends on your behaviour...
I had just problems twice: once in a Bulgarian night (but it could be expected, I had been drinking too much) and in Italy.
ITYou're wrong. Brazil has 25% more gun deaths than the US and Brazil has over 100 million less people. The U.S. only has more or less 10,000 homicides that are gun-related per year(the rest are suicides, accidents, etc.). I don't know what kind of ego trip you're on because your Euro has been slightly stronger than the dollar for a couple of years, but I'm positive most people in the world would rather live in the U.S. than Italy/Europe and be an American. For all of the things you say about Americans in Brazil, most Brazilians that I spoke to about tourists liked Americans and didn't particularly like Italians. While they might say that they like Americans to be polite to me, there was no need for them to say that they didn't like the Italian tourists, but they did say it anyway. So, perhaps you should speak to your fellow countrymen about being better ambassadors while abroad. I'm not saying there aren't rude, obnoxious tourists in Brazil, but they're not just from the U.S.
Sperto: I also love coming to Brasil for the music, beach, culture, etc that is why I have spent 12 months of the last 2 years here. However, if it were not for the woman I doubt I would be here, as I doubt you would come.
For a country the size of Brazil, 5m visitors is quite small, pitiful actually. They would get a shit load more visitors if it were not for the crime problem. How many "mom & pop family" tourists do you see lying on Copacabana or Ipanema beach having a family day out? There is no fucking way I would take a family to Rio. Single male travellers are a more hardened bunch and have a higher tolerance to crime than families, who make up the bulk of the worldwide tourist market.
IT: Yes I stand corrected 50,000 is the number for the US. Bad example. The problem I have with Rio is you cannot escape the crime because the favelas are so close to the so called better suburbs. In the US there are areas that your average person just won't go to and hence one isn't so exsposed.
Yeah alot of the shooting occurs in the slums but the slums are right on your doorstep........they are impovished people, poverty causes crime in Brasil and tourists get affected by it.
(For those that don't know where Rocinha is, it is right next to Gavea/Leblom which in turn borders Ipanema.)
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Rio drug lord killed in slum shootout with police:
October 29, 2005
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) - Police killed the head of a drug-trafficking gang who controlled Rio de Janeiro's biggest slum in a shootout early on Saturday, officials said.
Erismar Rodrigues Moreira, known as Bem-Te-Vi, was the most wanted man in the crime-ridden city. He was known for carrying gold-plated weapons and was said to be popular with some in the Rocinha slum because he helped provide for their needs.
The clash lasted about an hour in the early morning after a force of 100 police raided Rocinha in an operation called Trojan Horse aimed at arresting Moreira, aged 29, officials said. Traffickers fought back with rifle fire and grenades.
"He resisted arrest, the gangsters tried to protect him and the police didn't let him get away," Rio police chief Alavaro Lins said.
Moieira was shot in the head and chest. A gold-plated Glock 9 mm pistol was found at his side. Three slum dwellers were wounded in the clash and a fourth person believed to be a trafficker was killed.
Police units stayed in Rocinha controlling entrances to the shantytown on Saturday but witnesses reported renewed gunfire in the afternoon, with residents running for cover. Residents talking to local media said they feared a power struggle could erupt in Rocinha in the next few days.
State Security Secretary Marcelo Itigaba told government news agency Radiobras that undercover units had gone into the slum several days ago. "We are going to continue with our work. Taking out criminals is a task that has a beginning and a middle but no end," Itigaba said.
Rocinha, with a population of about 100,000 people, is reputed to be the largest slum in Latin America. Bem-Tem-Vi was said to have controlled the drug trade there since April 2004, when police killed former chief Luciano Barbosa da Silva.
Police investigations had linked Moreira to several top Brazilian soccer players.
Gangs control most of Rio's slums, which are bases for the sale of cocaine and other drugs to Rio residents of all classes. Gang warfare often spills out in the streets, even closing main thoroughfares in the seaside city.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/latinamerica/articles/2005/10/29/rio_drug_lord_killed_in_slum_shootout_with_police/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News
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Sperto:
(For those that don't know where Rocinha is, it is right next to Gavea/Leblom which in turn borders Ipanema.)
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Not that it matters that much but that favela behind Gavea rock and next to Leblon which borders Ipanema is actually called Vidigal. Rocinha is a little furthur out closer to Barra behind Sao Conrado beach.
Take a look at O Globo front page today as the traffic was stopped yesterday while this shooting was going on and people left their cars and were running for their lives in the tunnell that connects with Barra into Sao Conrado.
I spoke to a girl today that was stuck on a bus in this traffic yesterday coming from Barra, she said it was a nightmare.
Can't resist.
One more post in response to some numbers people have thrown out.
First, It Traveler: average lifespan difference between the USA and the European Union was 1.1 years (77.6 years versus 78.7 years) as of 2002, not the ten years you mentioned in your post yesterday. That difference was before the expansion of the EU to add 10 mostly Eastern European countries, which almost certainly brought the overall EU average down even closer to USA figures. Italy is admittedly a bit higher, at 79.0 years (2000 figures). All this is easily found using a Google search, or for a complete list of every country look at the US Census Bureau's International Data Base. Brasil, by the way, is only 62.9 years, with a major gap between men (who die young) and women.
Second, the impact of sex tourism on Brasil's economy or even the subset of the economy involving prostitution has to be minor if you think about the numbers for a moment. Since prostitution is legal in Brasil, there are probably government statistics on how many people (mostly but not entirely women) earn over half their income from the profession, but I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment. Macu probably has good stats and perhaps can post them. Just using the prostitution rates from the US, though (and Brasil is certainly higher), implies at least 300,000 GDPs in Brasil. If there are, say, 50,000 sex tourists visiting for an average of two weeks each year, then we represent about 1% at most of the professional sexual encounters the Brasilian GDP population engages in. Admittedly, we pay better than the average Brasilian, so maybe we represent 3% of total garota de programa income. Guys, that's not a lot. Don't be fooled by what you see in Copa -- it isn't representative and doesn't drive the economy, any more than the tourist trinket shops on Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco drive the SF Bay Area economy.
Let's back up a little.
The problem isn't that they are dependent upon our dollars for prostitution. That would be a silly hypothesis. *A* major problem *is,*however, that they have an economy that is heavily dependent upon cash exchange amongst a major segment of their population. In a cash dependent economy, one where money does not flow through banks, you have fertile soil for the development of cash-only based businesses. Prostitution is one of these (as is drug trade and grey/black market products).
If you attempt to criminalize prostitution, then you not only reduce the dollars flowing in to THIS part of the economy, but you increase the impact to young women who do not have an immediate alternative method of supporting themselves and (likely) their families AND you don't have a social system structured to replace this income. As for the rest of these crimes, the goverment in Brazil has turned a blind eye to things like selling DVD copies simply because the government has no reasonable plan to provide better working conditions/income for its poorest people. Add to this that a HUGE portion of the population is illiterate (or at least without education), then you can see the magnitude of the problem they are going to face. Prostitution, as it turns out, is an economic plus & one they don't know how to deal with. (BTW, I call this an economic plus without judging the nature of the act, but only attending to the economic issues at play.)
Drug trade in Brazil is likely a culprit for FAR more cash based exchange. From the evidence of other countries, prostitution never goes away and the drug traders just get smarter. For Brazil to really change this problem, they are going to have to address the significant poverty problem they have, the impact of the current economic plan having HURT their poorest people, and the fact that goods are becoming increasingly expensive IN Brazil despite the strengthening of their Real.
After all of this, we haven't even begun to discuss the insinuative nature of where all this cash gets spent. Taxis, restaurants, groceries, etc. So, the impact, while seemingly small . . . is probably not as small as you'd like to imagine. Further, comparing the sex industry to shipping or farming is also silly. So I would sugges that we agree to compare apples to apples, etc.
my 2 cents.
SD
FT, to me it seems like you think Brazil is dependent on mongers. You must be joking! The money spent by mongers means nothing.
Try going to:
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html
2002, United States
Homicide/Legal Intervention Firearm Deaths and Rates
Number of
Deaths Population Crude
Rate Age-Adjusted
Rate**
12,129
This is for year 2002.
SD
I think you made a mistake in your spelling... the quote of US gun deaths should be around 50.000 not 5.000. On ground Brasil is the second country in the world for gun deaths. US is the first.
IT
There is a Rocinha & Vidigal in every city in the US.
Same problem everywhere
U name the city its here, we got flavelas too:
Nassau-Suffolk NY
Middlesex-Somerset-Hunterdon NJ
Ventura CA
Monmouth-Ocean NJ
Bergen-Passaic NJ
Scranton-Wilkes-Barre-Hazleton PA
Harrisburg-Lebanon-Carlisle PA
San Jose CA
Pittsburgh PA
Orange County CA
Ann Arbor MI
Albany-Schenectady-Troy NY
Boston MA-NH-ME
New York NY
Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton PA
Syracuse NY
Philadelphia PA-NJ
Hartford CT
Rochester NY
Newark NJ
Buffalo-Niagara Falls NY
San Diego CA
Providence-Fall River-Warwick RI-MA
Jersey City NJ
Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland MI
Cleveland-Lorain-Elyria OH
San Francisco CA
New Haven-Meriden CT
Indianapolis IN
Los Angeles-Long Beach CA
Minneapolis-St. Paul MN-WI
Washington DC-MD-VA
Wilmington-Newark DE-MD
Akron OH
Gary IN
El Paso TX
Riverside-San Bernardino CA
Bakersfield CA
Detroit MI
Fort Lauderdale FL
Chicago IL
Youngstown-Warren OH
Knoxville TN
Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News VA-NC
Milwaukee-Waukesha WI
Cincinnati OH-KY-IN
Richmond-Petersburg VA
Springfield MA
Atlanta GA
Birmingham AL
Louisville KY-IN
Colorado Springs CO
Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson SC
Austin-San Marcos TX
Las Vegas NV-AZ
Denver CO
Sacramento CA
Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill NC
Oakland CA
Dayton-Springfield OH
Greensboro-Winston-Salem-High Point NC
Sarasota-Bradenton FL
Portland-Vancouver OR-WA
Baltimore MD
Tulsa OK
New Orleans LA
Seattle-Bellevue-Everett WA
St. Louis MO-IL
Salt Lake City-Ogden UT
Wichita KS
Mobile AL
Houston TX
Nashville TN
Orlando FL
Fresno CA
McAllen-Edinburg-Mission TX
Fort Worth-Arlington TX
Charleston-North Charleston SC
Jacksonville FL
Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill NC-SC
Dallas TX
Omaha NE-IA
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater FL
Columbia SC
Toledo OH
Albuquerque NM
Tacoma WA
Columbus OH
Kansas City MO-KS
West Palm Beach-Boca Raton FL
Honolulu HI
Oklahoma City OK
Stockton-Lodi CA
Baton Rouge LA
San Antonio TX
Little Rock-North Little Rock AR
Phoenix-Mesa AZ
Miami FL
Memphis TN-AR-MS
Tucson AZ
Lets be careful, have you been to the flavelvas in these cities.
I fit were not 4 the women, I would not go to Brasil, although I love the beaches and culture by the women sells the place.
Spero and RonnyRon : This industry doesn't make a dent in the overall economy in Brasil. Not a even in Rio , not a dent
Rio has the same problems as the rest of the world.
And if they have to scrap some mold - it would be welcomed.
I hear from many gents that the place needs a cleaning, I say clean it, restore the polish
Not that it matters that much but that favela behind Gavea rock and next to Leblon which borders Ipanema is actually called Vidigal. Rocinha is a little furthur out closer to Barra behind Sao Conrado beach.
Take a look at O Globo front page today as the traffic was stopped yesterday while this shooting was going on and people left their cars and were running for their lives in the tunnell that connects with Barra into Sao Conrado.
I spoke to a girl today that was stuck on a bus in this traffic yesterday coming from Barra, she said it was a nightmare.
The way I understand it, Vidigal virtually borders on the top part of Rocinha, but they don't actually touch. My first visit they were at war and bodies were piling up. It also borders on leblom. The top part of Rocinha actually touches Gavea and parts of Leblom away from the coast. The American school in Gavea does get occasionally caught in the crossfire from time to time. This is the part of Rocinha I was actually referring to in that in causes issues with the wealthier areas.
This picture shows the view from the top part of rocinha back to Sao Con. Over the granite outcrop to the left is Vidigal.
The way I understand it, Vidigal virtually borders on the top part of Rocinha, but they don't actually touch. My first visit they were at war and bodies were piling up. It also borders on leblom. The top part of Rocinha actually touches Gavea and parts of Leblom away from the coast. The American school in Gavea does get occasionally caught in the crossfire from time to time. This is the part of Rocinha I was actually referring to in that in causes issues with the wealthier areas.
This picture shows the view from the top part of rocinha back to Sao Con. Over the granite outcrop to the left is Vidigal.
Sorry, based upon where I am standing now your description of the location looked like Vidigal but I didn't understand your thinking, thanks for making it clear.
didn't really know where to post this, but since 5 of my 7 nights were in rio, i thought this would be the appropriate spot. this is my first trip report on this board but since i did use it particularly for sampa research, i thought i needed to post it here. this was my 9th visit to rio in a year and a half, but my first shot at sp. after watching some i his posts, i contacted fernando (sampa guide) to pick me up at gru and at least give me a 1 day orientation the the largest city in the hemisphere. i found him to be a nice guy and both honest and helpful. considering the normal cost of a cab to to the hilton, for me it was a bargain. now for the report.
back home for a couple of days now and the sad reality that this isn't brazil is setting back in.
i decided to venture outside of my rio comfort zone this trip, and started my travels off in sao paulo. sp is definitely not a mecca for tourism, but since all i really wanted to do was sample some sampa throat, tongue and snatch, that really didn't matter. first the accomodations. i stayed at the morumbi hilton in the brooklin neighborhood. it is next to the world trade center and has a mall (with a cambio)underneath it. truly a great hotel. outstanding concierge lounge and large, comfortable and fairly plush rooms, that include a great work area, refrigerator and hi-speed. one of the nicest hilton's i've stayed in (and i stay in a lot of them). well i've figured out a way to use my half assed portuguese and i studied the reviews in www. gpguia. com and and arrived in sp with a long list of indy's to try and hook up with. within 2 hours of my arrival angela paes showed up in my room. attractive, but a little heavier than her pix on www. chantilly. com. br that said, she provided great service that included a one of the western hemisphere's great blowjobs x's 2, sucking me dry both times.
that night i headed out to acaza, a nice and fairly moderately priced club in moema. i had wanted to go to bomboa but it was still closed.
no pressure there and the girls only came over if you invited them to your table. i hooked up with a very hot mestiza named julia, who normally works at bomboa. while the club does have rooms (r$59, 69 or 79), i brought her back to the hotel where she stayed till 6am. had such a good time with her that we went to dinner (and and banged our brains out) the following night. she does have an actual day job, so she went home to clean up before she returned to the hilton that night. we went to an excellent sushi spot in either morumbi or brooklin, but i can't recall the name. the one other thing i did want to do in sp was make a run to a casa. i had read good things about prive hector on gpguia, and it was very close to the hotel, so i gave it a try that afternoon. a good old fashioned *****house! the set-up is that you go in and sit in the living room, while the dona (sp? ) has each girl individually introduce themselve to you with a smile, their name and a peck on the cheek. there were probably 10 gdp's there, who i would rate from 5's up to three or four 8's. i picked a very good looking 19y/o named camilla. great kisser and incredible sexy. loved having her pussy cared for and gave an amazing blow job, especially for one so young. my preference is to, after screwing, pop in their mouth, and she was truly gifted in that she finished me off exactly 30 seconds befor the phone rang signifying the hour mark. truly a great deal at r$70 for the hour (50 for 1/2).
left for rio the following morning, and cgh is a lot more convenient than gru. less than 15 minutes from the hotel. my first time on gol airlines. a much nicer version of southwest.
arrived at my absolutely favorite apartment in ipanema, did some shopping at the zona sul accross the street. hooked up with a couple of friends and headed out to 4x4. as with my august trip, i found the talent there to be ok. met a 19y/o morena who was outstanding but i've blanked on her name. i find her to be incredibly sexy and a great kisser, tremendously passionate and has the look that i love. she took it all out of me so i headed back to the apartment for a nap and then on to teraco atlantico for what/who turned out to be the highlite of my trip.
after we were sitting out and drinking for a while, i zoned in on an absolute knockout blond spinner. for a while i tried to catch her attention with the power of my gaze (didn't work), and before i could pull the trigger she was gone to the other side of the terrace sitting with some guys. now i'm totally bummed. (me who hesitates is lost). happily, she and her friends started strolling again, and this time i caught her eye, and waved her over. her stage name is tatiana, and she's even more beautiful up close. 19y/o with a great smile and an absolute sweetheart. the really great part is that she has no idea just how beautiful she is. she lives about 60km. out of town and says she only works when she needs to. we headed back to the apartment and and she was an absolute treasure. she love pix and like an idiot, i accidentally erased all of them from my new camera. this girl is special and hopefully she won't be totally ruined before i return.
after my next afternoon at solarium, where i was quickly staked out by my old amiga, the 22/y/o stunning morena laura. great service great girl. i went back to the terrace and eventually went into help (1st mistake) which i usually never do. i thought that the overall quality there was the worst i've ever seen. there are certainly some lookers, but you've got to search them out. i was getting close to going home alone when i met up with nara. 22y/o, in town for 2 weeks, and very good looking. unfortunately, by that time the little head had taken over and instead of my normal interview and clarifying of my expectaions, the next thing i knew we were in a cab for ipanema. needless to say our time together sucked(partially because she wouldn't). when i found out there was no kissing and no bj i bid her tschau tschau, gave her a 50 and threw her out. not a happy girl, but neither was i. started the next day very horny and still annoyed, contacted scortshow and got take-out with with pamela. best i can say is nice bj, and big natural tits.
went that night for my 1st of 2 at centaurus. lots of girls and almost no guys (definitely not gringos). immediately was staked out by an old friend luanna, a good looking blond morena who has unfortunately put on a few pounds. as always she wanted me to take her out for the following day (sometimes we do). definitely safada all the way; an orgasmo machine. i planned on closing the place down my 2nd night there, and after she left at midnight i hooked up with katerina as i just had a good feeling about her. i just wanted another good blowjob to help me sleep and she provided that an then some. she was thrilled with nqns and so was i.
the following day i was re-introduced to keimy lee from karla's who i always have a great time with. as always i finished the trip with a 4x4 drive-by on my way to the airport.
no doubt, this will eventually destroy my body, as it has already destroyed my mind. but what a way to go!
Let's back up a little.
The problem isn't that they are dependent upon our dollars for prostitution. That would be a silly hypothesis. *A* major problem *is,*however, that they have an economy that is heavily dependent upon cash exchange amongst a major segment of their population. In a cash dependent economy, one where money does not flow through banks, you have fertile soil for the development of cash-only based businesses. Prostitution is one of these (as is drug trade and grey/black market products).
If you attempt to criminalize prostitution, then you not only reduce the dollars flowing in to THIS part of the economy, but you increase the impact to young women who do not have an immediate alternative method of supporting themselves and (likely) their families AND you don't have a social system structured to replace this income. As for the rest of these crimes, the goverment in Brazil has turned a blind eye to things like selling DVD copies simply because the government has no reasonable plan to provide better working conditions/income for its poorest people. Add to this that a HUGE portion of the population is illiterate (or at least without education), then you can see the magnitude of the problem they are going to face. Prostitution, as it turns out, is an economic plus & one they don't know how to deal with. (BTW, I call this an economic plus without judging the nature of the act, but only attending to the economic issues at play.)
Drug trade in Brazil is likely a culprit for FAR more cash based exchange. From the evidence of other countries, prostitution never goes away and the drug traders just get smarter. For Brazil to really change this problem, they are going to have to address the significant poverty problem they have, the impact of the current economic plan having HURT their poorest people, and the fact that goods are becoming increasingly expensive IN Brazil despite the strengthening of their Real.
After all of this, we haven't even begun to discuss the insinative nature of where all this cash gets spent. Taxis, restaurants, groceries, etc. So, the impact, while seemingly small . . . is probably not as small as you'd like to imagine. Further, comparing the sex industry to shipping or farming is also silly. So I would sugges that we agree to compare apples to apples, etc.
my 2 cents.
SD
Finally someone posts a realistic and honest response. Great explanation SD.
If u are saying that the industry doesn't Brasil's economy, let alone Rio's economy then we agree.
If you are saying that if affects Rio's economy as well as Brasil's as a whole, then we disagree.
If you agree with the latter then it is I who doesn't understand economics and market economies. If you are correct, I have wasted a lot of time in my field and evrything I have learned is incorrect.
But I doubt it.
This is an arguement based on facts that out there but I not going to waste my time putting it together because, with an arguement constructed as you have stated you won't understand it. I hate to say it that way but, it is what it is.
I'll end by being wrong but I'm right it's just easier to b wrong in here.
Sal Dali & Bravo, I can say we RESPECTFULLY disagree.
I'm not sure I understand, Liucio. I'm a pretty flexible thinker. You seem to suggest that I can't see things from more than one side of the spectrum. I promise I'll try. I have more than one graduate degree, but know that don't know everything. In fact, what my education did do was to teach me that I have a lot to learn and that other folks know a lot of stuff that I don't.
Additionally, I tend to organize material from a common sense perspective first. If I've misunderstood something fundemental about Brazilian economics, or the basics of cash/barter economies, I'm willing to listen.
Meanwhile, I'm still interested in helping the gdp's have more fake orgasms (and could use all the info regarding this that I can get! I'll be there in mid November . . so teach away). I'll even promise to help them in a VERY small way in maintaining their economy! That is, of course, the REAL reason for this forum and our economy discussion is, perhaps, best placed in another forum.
SD
If u are saying that the industry doesn't Brasil's economy, let alone Rio's economy then we agree.
If you are saying that if affects Rio's economy as well as Brasil's as a whole, then we disagree.
If you agree with the latter then it is I who doesn't understand economics and market economies. If you are correct, I have wasted a lot of time in my field and evrything I have learned is incorrect.
But I doubt it.
This is an arguement based on facts that out there but I not going to waste my time putting it together because, with an arguement constructed as you have stated you won't understand it. I hate to say it that way but, it is what it is.
I'll end by being wrong but I'm right it's just easier to b wrong in here.
Sal Dali & Bravo, I can say we RESPECTFULLY disagree.
Meanwhile, I'm still interested in helping the gdp's have more fake orgasms (and could use all the info regarding this that I can get!
SD
And we banned him for this knowledge.
Mac was banned from this thread for being a serial antagonist. He does have his own thread - so the beat goes on.
Okay . .. I'm at my 3 post limit. I have to move on to just dreaming about being in Brazil now. 2 more weeks . . .
SD
And we banned him for this knowledge.
Dear Fellows,
Please advise if Notel Marina Palace in RIO DE JANERO is a nice hotel for actions and if this is a girl friendly hotel. please provide your valued advises. also provide some rate if you have any idea.
Thanks!!!
Track Star
10-31-05, 18:50
Track Star here,
I just returned from a very good trip to RIO.
I had sex every day.
The first girl I had was Christina..she is posted on the website visualsexy.com under the name Fabiana Freitas. Her tits and body in my book is a 10!! Nice pussy. But we did not have the chemistry that made the encounters 100% perfect. She is a very goodlooking, intelligent,and friendly girl. Check her out.
HELP was so much better than in March of this year. When I was down there in March there were much more tourists, now very very few and HELP was now a totoal buyers market. The girls were grabbing my ass and they were much more desperate for business.
In March they would not even talk to me unless you were talking 300R to start out..now they were happy with 150-200R for a 3 hour deal..which is okay with me. I am not into this all nite deals in anyway. I want to do them good and get rid of them. Next please...if you see what I mean.
I met a very hot, petitie little energizer bunny named Patricia at HELP. She was very cute, blond, small perky titis with big nipples and very tight nice pussy. I really liked her. Good chemistry. Experienced and very good at moaning and verbal during sex. I give her a very high score.
Unfortunately, I have no pictures to post as I promised not to do so. I got pics but I cannot post. I keep my promises to people.
It was a good time to be in RIO. I also did hangliding over by Barra de Tijucas. Scary, but one hell of an adrenaline rush. Highly recommended iof you like adrenaline rush. Cost me $100 including taxi back and forth to COPA.
All in all great trip.
Try going to:
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html
2002, United States
Homicide/Legal Intervention Firearm Deaths and Rates
Number of
Deaths Population Crude
Rate Age-Adjusted
Rate**
12,129
This is for year 2002.
SD
I am very sorry to go on in this polemic. I perhaps have started my self. But if you go on the site you... your self... signed me the deaths for firearms is 30,242 in 2002. Read carefully how to apply...
On ground some are underestimated (like deaths after 7 days, etc) the total of 50.000 is not so far away for 2005.
I would like to go away from this polemics, and if you get datas from *.gov sites copy them right.
By the way the crime in Rio (depends of course on you) is not worse than in any big American city.
IT
In any case I'll stop the polemics and add two beautiful pics of girls in Rio...
(and I'll not answer to others)
This is our purpose here.
IT
When I'm in Rio I like to pick up women at ordinary places like the bank, post office and the super-mercados. One of my favourite pick up places is the Zoológico in Boa Vista (metro: São Cristóvão).
Beware of the hot-tempered chimpanzee Paulinho. His specialty is throwing faeces at the visitors. He aims extremely well. I heard his father Pipo, "Bad Boy", got 40000 votes in an election for Mayor of Rio.
For all you bargain hunters out there, I've found a good one in Copacabana. I was on the way to Luomo, and had just come out of the Metro station on Siqueira Campos. A guy was handing out business cards for a massge place at Rua Tonelero 173. I decided to take one for the team, and check it out.
The place has a gate with a call button, and when I pushed the button the gate was immediately unlocked. I went up a flight of stairs into a reception room where six girls were sitting. In my very bad Portuguese I asked about prices and services. They must not see many gringos in the place, because all the girls got a good laugh out of my accent, and went out of their way to be freindly and helpful. I was offered a beer, and shown the cabins and one suite.
The cabins are pretty basic, with just a massage table along the wall. The suite had a round bed, air conditioner, and mirrors. I chose a pretty morena named Carla, who assured me that she did blowjobs "sem camisinha". A thirty minute session was R$ 65.
I grabbed a quick shower, and we got down to business. After a few minutes cuddling and carressing, she got down to the business at hand. I suppose I've had better blowjobs, but I don't remember when.
After the event, I had another shower, and went back to the reception area. I had told Carla that I live in Brazil, and again all the girls were very freindly, and told me to be sure to come back the next time I was in Rio.
Granted, the place doesn't have nearly the class of LUomo or 4 X 4, but it was clean, the girls were friendly, and for R$ 65, Ithought it was a hell of a deal.
For all you bargain hunters out there, I've found a good one in Copacabana. I was on the way to Luomo, and had just come out of the Metro station on Siqueira Campos. A guy was handing out business cards for a massge place at Rua Tonelero 173. I decided to take one for the team, and check it out.
Hey, I think I know the place you're talking about, is it right next to the Burgao fast food restaurant? I had gotten a flyer for this place almost every time I walked by, but I never checked it out.
Has anyone been to the other small Copa termas? There is a casa about half a block in from Av. Atlantica off Siqueira Campos called 22. Last time I went in in August there was nothing but uglies, but I remember last year there were a couple of stunners. If I remember correctly, the price was R80 for 30 min.
Also there are a couple small ones on Av. N.S. Copacabana in an unmarked building near HSBC. They are on the second floor, one I think in 204 had all ugly girls and was R60 for 30 min. But the one next to it (I think 203) actually had one or two that were pretty hot (near L'uomo quality). The only problem was the price was much more (I think R80 for 20 min, and R140 for 1 hr.) and the facilities were shit. On top of that there was a R20 entrance fee. What for I don't know, because you wouldn't want to spend 5 minutes in the relax room. I'm assuming the turnover rate is quite high at these places, so YMMV.
Anyways I am just finally starting to unpack my suitcases after coming back from Rio last month (Como se diz "procrastination" em Portugues lol) and being the packrat I am, I kept a lot of the handbills from the various casas around Rio, so I thought I would post a few. These are all from Copa casas, but I also have a ton from Centro ones as well. But the weirdest one of all is the *menu* that I have from L'uomo. (Menu of the food and drink, not the girls!) I have no idea how that came back with me!
I am a little intrigued by your comment that you find regular girls for action in Rio, so I have a question. Assuming you are a halfway decent looking American with some basic Portuguese skills, what probability would you assign to being able to pick up a high quality regular girl at the zoo, say, and doing her that very same night? When you only have a couple of days in Rio -- as I have in starting in two weeks -- and you are perfectly happy paying up at termas, Help, etc. for 100% certainty, I would not want to even try for a regular girl unless there is a very high probability.
Please advise.
Track Star here,
I just returned from a very good trip to RIO.
I had sex every day.
The first girl I had was Christina..she is posted on the website visualsexy.com under the name Fabiana Freitas. Her tits and body in my book is a 10!! Nice pussy. But we did not have the chemistry that made the encounters 100% perfect. She is a very goodlooking, intelligent,and friendly girl. Check her out.
HELP was so much better than in March of this year. When I was down there in March there were much more tourists, now very very few and HELP was now a totoal buyers market. The girls were grabbing my ass and they were much more desperate for business.
In March they would not even talk to me unless you were talking 300R to start out..now they were happy with 150-200R for a 3 hour deal..which is okay with me. I am not into this all nite deals in anyway. I want to do them good and get rid of them. Next please...if you see what I mean.
I met a very hot, petitie little energizer bunny named Patricia at HELP. She was very cute, blond, small perky titis with big nipples and very tight nice pussy. I really liked her. Good chemistry. Experienced and very good at moaning and verbal during sex. I give her a very high score.
Unfortunately, I have no pictures to post as I promised not to do so. I got pics but I cannot post. I keep my promises to people.
It was a good time to be in RIO. I also did hangliding over by Barra de Tijucas. Scary, but one hell of an adrenaline rush. Highly recommended iof you like adrenaline rush. Cost me $100 including taxi back and forth to COPA.
All in all great trip.I am new to this board and I have read many of the post about Rio. There were so many neagative posts that I was thinking that maybe it wasn't such a good idea to go there anytime soon (Mid November). Needless to say, it was a welcome relief to read your report! ;)
Full Throttle
11-01-05, 15:29
Hope the title doesn't lead some to believe I've discovered something new. Just great times in an old place...
So, I wanted to show my buddy a great terma time in Rio. Since I went to L'uomo's earlier this month, I wanted to take him to Monte Carlo and Solarium. Well, I'd forgotten about the price increase earlier this month, and couldn't get them to honor the price published on a brochure that was handed to me earlier. No hard feelings, I just took my 4 buddies and their wad of reals to L'uomo's.
What a great time we had. We arrived around 5pm and left a bit after closing. My buddy has a true gift with females from every corner of the world, and the absence of negotiating pressure made the experience near perfect for him.
We both had two formal sessions during the course of the evening, my other friend 1. My buddy's second a threesome, an activity I personally have banned. Well, for those of you who know me and are screaming BS, I admit that I violate the ban every month or so. I'm not perfect and I hate saying no.
Anyway, every girl in every session was a lot of fun and provided every necessary and many optional services. I'll repost with tasteful pictures if I can find any in that category.
1. Ana (goes by something else on the receipt).
Short, brown hair with a tint of red. Very fair skin. medium height, B-cups, mid-20's, trimmed but not shaved.
She is my favorite, so far. Fantastic DFK before and during session, superior BBBJ oral skills TC with porn-style spit. She is a fantastic combination of tenderness and sexuality. Very attentive to your needs and wants, but enjoys her stimulation as well. I may break another oath and have a 2nd repeat with her.
2. Giselle
Even fairer skin, a cat-that-ate-the-canary smile, also very affectionate. A bit taller than Ana, roughly the same-sized tits. She is also so sweet that you can't decide to pet her or screw her. I chose the former and allowed my buddy to do the latter. Of his 4 Rio girls during our 21-hour romp, this was his favorite.
3. Brisa
A little spinner, although not completely tight. She has a cute overbite and is the most active of the dancers. She did a striptease show mid-way through the night. Small boobs, firm behind and legs.
Although she ranks highly on the world-wide scale, she was a distant third place of my three girls in Rio (the last described below from 4X4. She just couldn't quite transition from party girl to sensuous girl. Her performance was spirited and she is a lot of fun dancing, but I think I was in the Ana-afterglow, and felt like intimacy was lacking.
That said, there are great things about her performance, too. She loved to pose for HER camera (a first for me). She was dressed like a devil for Halloween, and came to the room in full ensemble. After posing and stripping, she offered a very good BBBJ. Although I told her that I mainly wanted an oral session, she insisted on screwing. And screwing and screwing and screwing...
When I finished after a period of time and endless positions, she begged, "Paquito mas..." and stuffed my hand down below. The same girl who said "no dedos" a few minutes earlier was grinding away on 3+ digits completely submerged so far that I thought they were gone forever. She finished with her second real orgasm, and third overall.
Bottom line, a fantastic sport-fuck, but not a GFE. Ana was just the opposite, but was open to the sport-fuck from time to time.
4. Cindy from 4X4
Very briefly, a beautiful girl. She has the girl next door smile and a beautiful, feminine body. C cups, soft and shapely but very little extra weight. 20 years old and a 7-month veteran of 4X4. A disorganized nether-region, with labias folded every direction.
Cindy was sweet and cute. She was capable in the sack and provided a nice BBBJ. It took a while at DATY before she would accept the fingers, but, ultimately, she was happy to let me do whatever I needed to get her off.
Again, I really wanted to play rather than have full-on sex, but she was now over-sensitive and was probably tired of the BBBJ, so I acquiesced. Not a bad decision. It was like being in a porn movie on fast-forward. We used at least 7 positions over a 12 minute period.
This time, I pulled off the condom and had her finish me orally. She wouldn't do CIM, but finishing on her beautiful, natural boobs was more than sufficient.
While a distant 2nd to Ana for me, she may be prettier than any girl I saw in L'Uomo's.
Enough for now.
FT
I am a little intrigued by your comment that you find regular girls for action in Rio, so I have a question. Assuming you are a halfway decent looking American with some basic Portuguese skills, what probability would you assign to being able to pick up a high quality regular girl at the zoo, say, and doing her that very same night? When you only have a couple of days in Rio -- as I have in starting in two weeks -- and you are perfectly happy paying up at termas, Help, etc. for 100% certainty, I would not want to even try for a regular girl unless there is a very high probability.
Please advise.
If I only had a couple of days in Rio I wouldn't care very much about picking up regular girls. In my case I never stay less than 3 months on my visits so I've plenty of time. I get my share of pro's, but do also enjoy meeting regular girls.
I mentioned the zoo in Rio because I had very good luck at that place. Why the zoo works so good for me I don't know. Maybe because it's easy to start an innocent conversation there, laugh together at the animals, drink something, lots of places to sit down and have some close contact before heading to my place.
If you want 100% certainty don't bother going to the zoo. 100% certainty you'll get at the human zoo, Vila Mimosa, which is very close by.
I am a little intrigued by your comment that you find regular girls for action in Rio, so I have a question. Assuming you are a halfway decent looking American with some basic Portuguese skills, what probability would you assign to being able to pick up a high quality regular girl at the zoo, say, and doing her that very same night? When you only have a couple of days in Rio -- as I have in starting in two weeks -- and you are perfectly happy paying up at termas, Help, etc. for 100% certainty, I would not want to even try for a regular girl unless there is a very high probability.
Please advise.
Tricksta, I usually only have 10 days on my trips and in most trips not all I mix in some non pros. Most do not screw on the first night but a small percentage do. Most screw on the second night and on occasion i have had to wait a week(lucky I met her at the beginning of the week.)
When I take a girl out on a date that I am not sure of I try to make my move by 1 am, if it is a no go then I go to Help to round out the evening, it always works. I will say this that all of the non pros I have met in Rio I have gone to bed with on one night or another and most of them have been educated high level women, so help me God.
The only thing I would say about non pros is that they are not necessarily cheaper than pros as they have more overhead and they are always a hassle every time. after you do them then they have the attitude that you should be with them exclusively, I am no expert on this but I have gotten some ugly phone calls after i ditched some of them, it wasn't pleasant.
Carlos Primeros
11-02-05, 03:21
I was last week at Av.N.S. de Copacabana # 203.
First the lift got stuck and the lift-boy was working to get it back in operation, when I finally arrived there was only one doable girl, 60 R$ for 30 minutes and 1 R$ for a condom.
The facilities sucks, dirty, no chance for a shower.
I have tried also other cheap termas like MV 30 etc downtown. It is not what I really want. I prefer to pay more and have an excellent service with clean and good facilities.
Carlos
El Austriaco
11-02-05, 03:40
Actually, I have always had great experiences at MV 30, and it's not as cheap as, say, 502. 40 minute session was 110 Reais, 1 hr 150 Reais back in August (and no surcharge for the room/suite). As far as I remember, the facilities also weren't bad.
EA
I have enjoyed posting photos of many of the sweeties I have encountered in this beautiful country. Unfortunately, I had to learn a lesson.
A favorite of mine at Solarium didn't miss a beat making her way over to me the moment I set foot in the Boite upstairs.
This was my 5th. Brazil trip in the past 3 yrs. I had just arrived from Sao Paulo.
She reminded me of the fun we had last march. She also let me know that she was not pleased that I posted her photos on the internet. Of course I had promised not to.
After that I had a hard time having fun with anyone. She would breeze by and whisper "mentiroso!", or "cachorro!" in my ear. Not to mention the sideways glances.
I finally ditched the honey I was chatting with and sat with her a bit. It eventually ended up with profuse apologies and an hour of "make up sex".
I have requested all the photos to be removed, as I told her I would.
The funny thing is, after that, whenever I go to Solarium, she treats me rather nicely. I didn't even go with her again. The wimp in me feels like I owe her someething. Maybe that's why the "make-up session. This is classic of many of the brazileiras I have known. There may be some adverse situation, but the heat of controversy seems to create some sort of bond. We do have a great time, and I like hooking her up with some cash whenever I'm around (not directly, just by doing a session with her).
She actually gave me her cell number for an outside hook-up, which I never had a chance to call.
Just as I thought I had repaired the damage, off I go to 4x4. My favorite. After 5 days of trying to make it there.
The moment I walk in, I see a "fav." from last march, standing at the check-in desk.
I say "HI!, remember me?" She says "sure, you posted photos of me on the internet. A friend of mine saw them and sent them to me". Oh god!, this was hell!
We chatted a bit, I promised to find them and remedy the situation, which I have.
I found another one for the night, and had her over to the hotel the next day.
I won't be posting her photos.
I think Rio is too sophisticated now to think that the garotas just won't see such things. But there has been a lot of talk of the "garota net". It IS extensive.
It wasn't worth it. From now on, I will be asking if I can post any specific photos, to share with you guys.
I cant help wondering if one of the board members, who spend long periods down there, and know many of the terma girls, had anything to do with this...
We live and learn.
Well about this so called "garota net". Maybe it does exist. I don't know. But I like a bit of privacy. So in every therma I use a different name and I tell I come from another country. I do this consequently. In every therma I use the same, different "id".
Also I do spread my visits over the several thermas. Same therma almost never more then twice a week. Centro thermas on weekdays. Other thermas mainly in the weekend.
And I think that if you take pictures of a garota then you can only post those fotis on the internet if you have asked permission of the girl.
Never ever underestimate the power of the GDP network. I met up with a friend today, an ex terma girl and the first thing she said was, "You were at Solarium Tuesday night, and 4x4 on Monday". She never worked at either, how the fuck they know is beyond me. However, always assume they will find out and will be able to track your every move!
Exec Talent
11-02-05, 22:33
I got chastised by one of my regulars for being at Help. I asked her if her friend saw me talking to anyone or taking anyone home and she said no. Well, then?
If you are smart you will leave your phone off when you have special friends around otherwise when it rings you had better hope it is your mother. I send and receive a lot of text messages. They have caused problems too.
Can't blame them really. They only are trying to protect their investment. LOL.
You guys are HILARIOUS!
And everything you say I know is true.
The funny thing is, when I'm down there...I've got one of those "black books" that a young man should have. I do not have one here in San Francisco. But I had to buy a cell phone while I was down there.
I never have to worry about this girl knowing that. Because there aren't any in the mix here.
The number of ways to hook up down there, and have cuties in your life, is something special.
There are so few cool gals doing the pay for play thing here that there just isn't the "stocked lake" effect.
And I'm loving the fact that I now have a local phone number, voice mail, everything, in S.P. and Rio. Go TIM!!!
El Austriaco
11-03-05, 22:14
The girls indeed seem to have a pretty strong code of honor among them. According to one GDP I talked to, she explained to me that "Once you're street friends, you work at night together, you're friends forever". Apparently, that means don't fuck with my customer, and tell me everything he's doing on the side, and I'll do the same for you.
Of course, having a code of honor and thinking that occasionally, you can get away with it when nobody is looking are not necessarily incompatible.
I guess that's where the constant fighting among the girls about alleged violations of the "code" comes from (mixed with drugs and alcohol, a hot temper, and an interest in protecting their investment, needless to say). At one point in time, during the summer last year, I was sitting outside Help after a period of four days of straight rain where it was coming down so hard that you could hardly leave the hotel. Needless to say, neither of the GDPs at Copa had worked a whole lot for days, and tension was running just as high as cash was running low. I saw a major fight between girls breaking out about every hour or so for five six hours. I thought they should just build a freestyle wrestling platform just in front of Help and sell tickets.
One GDP I ditched last year kept sending me flowers and postcards to my hotel. One of them said "I hope you don't think I am a prostitute. I am a fashion model, and I just hang out in Meia Pataca". The next time I saw here, I just had to tell her "Thanks for enlightening me. Wasn't aware that MP was the center of the Brazilian fashion world." LOL.
Well, enough anecdotes. You know, about girls that seem to have the total scoop on you or try to get too attached in terms of trying to control you, as soon as they start that with me, I tell them to pick out another girl for me. A somewhat subtle way to tell them that I am not gonna become their BF, that I am gonna stay in control of who I take and won't, and an incentive for them to pick well for me (because if they don't, they will lose me as a customer, too). Has worked very well for me in the termas as well.
About posting photos, I am really not sure, and I never have posted any photos anywhere exactly for that reason. But it sure doesn't surprise me that girls would find out about their photos being posted here. Just go to the internet cafe on Miguel Lemos between Rua Aires Saldanha and Avenida NS de Copacabana, right next to the crepe place, and at any point in time, there are two or three MP or Help regulars in there. So...
EA
I am reading the recent posts regarding the GDP network and chuckling as I go along. Your posts bring back a lot of memories. Nearly 40 years ago, in the 1960s, I was a Peace Corps Volunteer in Monrovia, Liberia, and even then was a hard core monger (and now, on the verge of geezerhood, I'm still a monger). Anyway, at times I foolishly thought that I could cheat on a regular 'bar girl' by just going to a different bar from the one she frequented. I would be in there no more that 20 minutes or so, had not even gotten to first base, and guess who walked in, ready to make a scene? You guessed it, my regular! I remember saying to some friends that these girls had a communications network that the CIA would envy. Friends of mine who were in Vietnam during the war say it was the same there, and the same thing appears to be true in Rio in 2005. So I've concluded that it's a worldwide thing: you can't cheat on a 'bar girl' or GDP or 'ho' or whatever you want to call her, if she has a proprietary interest in you, in the same city where she plies her trade and not have her find out about it.
So what I have done is turn that around and let it work in my favor. I let the primary GDP know, in no uncertain terms that I am going to monger with other girls, and I let her procure them for me. This has worked out wonderfully, because she will always pick girls that she knows will please me, because it will result in more ample compensation for her at the end of my stay. It's even reached the point where I let her watch while I'm in bed with the one she found for me, and she'll give her pointers on how to please me. I have done this in both Rio and Bangkok, my two favorite mongering sites, and it has worked out well in both places. This is one of life's valuable lessons that I've learned: when faced with an unfavorable situation, look for a way to turn it around in your favor.
Lorenzo
A GDP might get angry and jealous if she sees you with another girl. Of course she wants her milk cow for herself. But why bother? Just like I can buy my apples anywhere I like, I can do the same with the GDP. She sells her service, you buy it, end of the story.
Just make it clear to the girls that you are a cachorro da rua that will f..k around and she will not have any illusions of a Golden Milk Cow.
In Rio it is easy enough to get sex for free from the non-pros. It may require some work and willusually not work on the first date, but it will work. So why pay? In my opinion I pay because I want to avoid the messy complications after the sex. So in fact I do not really pay so much to get them into my bed, I pay to get them out of in later.
Many of the GDPs are fishing for a longer-lasting relationship, of course. They want regular customers or even more. If I am not intersted in this, I always make a point of telling them right away (after sex, of course ;)). This seems to do the trick for me.
euro
and now, on the verge of geezerhood, I'm still a monger
Lorenzo
You crack me up! I hope I am still nailing some fine ass when I am approaching geezerhood!
El Austriaco
11-05-05, 01:55
I remember saying to some friends that these girls had a communications network that the CIA would envy.
The CIA tried to copy it, but of course, they screwed it up. CIA actually stands for Copacabana-Ipanema-(Morro do) Alemão.
One lesson I've learnt is that as soon as a GDP calls me "safado" or "cachorro", I am doing something right.
EA
Hey Guys,
Looking for a girl who goes by the name Andressa. She worked at Solarium when I was in Rio last July and I think at Centaurus prior to that. She had longish dirty blonde hair (extensions), pierced left eyebrow,tongue,nose, and had a playboy bunny head in her navel. She also tended to wear color contacts.Was told she goes to Help sometimes. She was really cool and I wanted to catch her again next trip. Anybody seen or hooked up with this garota?? If so details pro/con ??
Thanks in advance,
Hammer
Hammer
The first night after I got in from Sao Paulo I went to L'uomo. My last time there, in march, it sucked. And I read other reports supporting that.
But I started hearing good things about it right before I left 10/14. So I had to check out my old love (first terma).
I had pledged to my travel buddy that I would do a dupla on this trip. As much of a cachorro that I am, it's not something that has appealed to me. "I don't want to take attention from what I'm doing with whomever I'm with".
The moment I walked in there I was blown away by the number of 8's. And I was right into the arms of a winner. Don't remember the name. She is petite. Light brown skin and very young looking. She sports a rather classy look; "diamond" stud earrings, and a second set of 5 petalled white flowers. Chestnut hair in a sort of "flip" style. Blue contacts, that actually looked nice. You don't see that aesthetic much...A cute button nose...and navel pierced with a "dangling lure"-type piece.
I'm still stinging from my photo posting experience. So I'm describing as I check her out filling my 19" screen, all blown up in Photoshop. GOD!
Her buddy comes over...straight-up white girl. Long brown hair with highlights, shorter than #1, but more meaty. E bem molhado tambem!!! Brown eyes, minimal peitos (tits). Very sexy. Sort of a nasty look. Not super pretty, but definitely super sexy and hot! They got all up on me and before I knew it we were stripping clothes off in a suite.
It was awesome. To my surprise, it's much better than I had imagined. It's like playing the piano. Each hand is operating independently, but in concert. My attention was simultaneously everywhere and focused individually in all sorts of ways. An awesome experience!
The problem was deciding who to "finish" with. The plan had been to finish with #1, who was definitely the prittier, but as I was getting near, I looked over at that ample ass of #2, and I just swithched up. There were only a few more moments of sex.
We did some photos, and while #1 was in the shower, #2 made a pact with me that I would come back and "fuck her in the ass" before I left. She lubed up her right hand and put 4 fingers up her butt just to show how much she liked it that way...
WOAH,
I just realized that L'uomo is now not only my first terma, but also the site of my first dupla! I must have some serious karma with that place/those people.
The day after I returned last week, I had an e-mail from an "ex" favorita. I met her at Monte Carlo, kept in touch, and spent a weekend in Buzios with her last march.
I "broke it off" when she started asking for money by e-mail. I guess she thought we were at a point where I had adopted her and her 6 y.o.. And would send money just out of kindness.
She isn't working in termas anymore, but somehow I bet she found out I was around. I went to L'uomo, Solarium, Monte Carlo, and 4x4 all at least once. And one of them 4 times.
I am not interested in just fucking a beautiful girl. I am interested in talking to her (I speak portuguese) and knowing her.
I am looking for university students, professional women and the like. I prefer to pay because I have little time and because I want no emotional attachment.
I have tried the agency www.viprj.com.br in the past, trying to get better looking and higher level girls that the average found in termas or other agencies, but it did not work out well (switch and bait).
A forum member recommended to me www.gatas1000.com.br. What do you think of it?
Regards.
High End Prostitution. I am not interested in just fucking a beautiful girl. I am interested in talking to her (I speak portuguese) and knowing her.
BB, I'm curious. Why are you interested in knowing her, if she's a pro?
Sperto.
It's just that fucking a dumb girl has limited interest. I am mch more interested in semi-pros that have some brains than in hardened pros.
Haha!
Macunaima made a very good post regarding college girls. See it at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=405790&postcount=37
Regards.
Mac's comments are good (better now) and are appropriately placed in his own section. I do go over there, read, and find it helpful and interesting. He is less polemical there. It's just that NOW, I know what I'm getting into when I go there.
SD
Haha!
Macunaima made a very good post regarding college girls. See it at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=405790&postcount=37
Regards.
RxHammer,
I believe Andressa has gone back to Spain for a few months. A truly unforgettable body.
[QUOTE=Track Star]Track Star here,
I just returned from a very good trip to RIO.
I had sex every day.
The first girl I had was Christina..she is posted on the website visualsexy.com under the name Fabiana Freitas. Her tits and body in my book is a 10!! Nice pussy. But we did not have the chemistry that made the encounters 100% perfect. She is a very goodlooking, intelligent,and friendly girl. Check her out.
HELP was so much better than in March of this year. When I was down there in March there were much more tourists, now very very few and HELP was now a totoal buyers market. The girls were grabbing my ass and they were much more desperate for business.
In March they would not even talk to me unless you were talking 300R to start out..now they were happy with 150-200R for a 3 hour deal..which is okay with me. I am not into this all nite deals in anyway. I want to do them good and get rid of them. Next please...if you see what I mean.
I met a very hot, petitie little energizer bunny named Patricia at HELP. She was very cute, blond, small perky titis with big nipples and very tight nice pussy. I really liked her. Good chemistry. Experienced and very good at moaning and verbal during sex. I give her a very high score.
Unfortunately, I have no pictures to post as I promised not to do so. I got pics but I cannot post. I keep my promises to people.
It was a good time to be in RIO. I also did hangliding over by Barra de Tijucas. Scary, but one hell of an adrenaline rush. Highly recommended iof you like adrenaline rush. Cost me $100 including taxi back and forth to COPA.
All in all great trip.[/QUOTE
What is the good, cheap, convenient hotel or did you do the Apartment thing?
The hangliding. Do you get to go up right then and there without any prior experience?
A buyers market at HELP...that is exactly what I wanted to hear!!! Did you go for any of the beach booty?
Track Star
11-08-05, 21:58
Buledaddy,
I stayed in an Apartment on Rua Bolivar 8 with Ocean view.
Nothing super fancy, but great location since it is close to MP, Terrace, and HELP.
The hanggliding does not require extensive training..it was a tandem flight with an experienced hanggliding pilot. I was merely a passenger. The most scary part is takeoff and landing. When you run off there must be no hesitation..full leap of faith.
No beach booty..two I found in HELP and one I had already set up to meet via the internet. She is posted on Visualsexy.com...name: Fabiana Freitas. Darn she has a nice body and perfect tits.
Track Star
El Austriaco
11-08-05, 22:36
About a year ago, I wrote a detailed post regarding hang-gliding in Rio. Check it out:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=322391#post322391
Wandering Fool
11-09-05, 07:49
About a year ago, I wrote a detailed post regarding hang-gliding in Rio. Check it out:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=322391#post322391That's a great summary! I am a hang gliding pilot in the states. Every year USHGA publishes the accident reports and explanations for them as a way we can learn from others mistakes. Very few are due to equipment failure -it's almost always pilot error, poor judgment etc. I did a tandem flight last year in Rio. I didn't fly alone because it was new turf, I didn't know the winds etc. My pilot was very experienced and a good pilot, but he failed to do a pre flight check of the glider after his assistant had set it up. This is done religiously in the states, but obviously they are much less regulated in Brazil.
I felt assured in flying because, as a pilot, nothing was going to happen that I didn't have control of. The pilot agreed to let me fly once we took off and I know how to properly pre flight a glider. Most importantly, I was prepared, as my risk management course had beat into my head, to walk off the mountain if something was not right (weather, attitude, mechanical etc).
We took off without a hitch and the flight was going great. I was proud of myself for being a responsible pilot, when I suddenly noticed something about my harness. No parachute! Pretty much all pilots in the US fly with a parachute and I personally know 3 people who have had to use them to save their own lives. I'm so used to flying with my own harness, with its parachute, that, well, it elluded me to check for it.
Then suddenly....no I'm only kidding, from there it went fine, we had a nice flight, a perfect landing by the beach and a drink afterwards.
But the fact that there was NO pre flight and NO parachute, would really make me nervous about flying down there again. Maybe I'll take my parachute on the next trip :)
With all due respect, the members of the brain trust of Brazil (or any country for that matter) are generally not the ones giving hang gliding rides. Would you trust your life to those that are?
As the saying goes, "Aviation is not dangerous, it's just extremely unforgiving of mistakes."
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