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Ricobd
11-09-05, 09:52
Can anyone let me know where I might get discount coupons or early bird specials (day and or time of day) for the following Rio termas:

L'uomo
4X4
Solarium
Monte Carlo
And Others

Thanks

Ricobd

Full Throttle
11-09-05, 14:02
Can anyone let me know where I might get discount coupons or early bird specials (day and or time of day) for the following Rio termas:

L'uomo
4X4
Solarium
Monte Carlo
And Others

Thanks

Ricobd

I left it all highlighted so that others would respond also.

4X4 has the permanent discount where admission is waived if you take a girl to a room by 5pm. That is a $R35 discount.

MonteCarlo/Solarium has a coupon in the website for a Tuesday-only special.

FT

Sunset
11-09-05, 18:20
You just missed Solarium's promo last week.

Monte Carlo next week:

SEMANA MALUCA
(de 14 a 18 de novembro)
Não percam a super promoção mais quente da cidade, que começa na Segunda-Feira (14/11) e termina na Sexta-Feira (18/11). Imprimindo este e-mail, a primeira cabine (R$ 60,00) fica por conta da casa.

Viper10
11-09-05, 20:54
Those 36,000 gun deaths were with a drop of 8% from 2003!!


I had a chat to my "9.5" at Help last night. She isn't nearly as good up close as she looks under Help lighting and from a distance. In fact she was officially downgraded to an "8". Sometimes the "fantasy" is always better than the realty!

Sex tourism: I saw a couple get mugged last night. I have seen this so often it is rediculous. I would think a good deal of tourists coming here are us mongers. This place is so dangerous who else would be silly enough to come here unless there was sex to be had. .......36,000 guns deaths here last year, in the US there was 5,000 with almost twice the population.

Almotu
11-10-05, 11:47
Buledaddy and Track Star,
Nice photos on the VisualSexy website of Fabiana Freitas. How did you proceed to hook up with her? Did you contact her by e-mail before flying into Rio? How much did you pay for her services? BBBJ/DFK . . . anal?
Very tempting.

Thanks for any info,
Almotu

Track Star
11-10-05, 15:37
Almotu,

I found her little written ad with link to Visualsexy on HELP Disco's website. I emailed her and said I was interested in meeting. I got response and we had a little email contact.

Then in one email she said: "I want to suck your penis." Do I need to say moore? I was sold. Via email we agreed to hook up at Havana Bar at 10pm the day I arrived on October 20 (this year). She showed up on time. She speaks decent english, has very nice body and in my book tits to die for.

I liked her and her body. Fucking and sex wise I felt we did not have the same chemistry and GFE experience I've had with other GP's I've met in Rio..I met her a total of 4 times..and yes I probably paid too much every time..I am a sucker, but I don't worry so much about it..200Reais each time for 3 hours. Very nice body, nice pussy and firm real tits. I will meet her again for a session next time I go down there plus it is more fun to be with somebody that speaks some English since my Portuguese is very limited.
She sucks a mean penis well to..I got a CBJ every time.

Track Star

Track Star
11-10-05, 15:40
Almotu,

I tried to do anal on Christina, but without lube I could not get it in. Maybe next time. Anal isn't really my thing in anyway. To me anal = EXIT only.

Track Star

Lorenzo
11-10-05, 23:21
Track Star,

It's not clear which girl you're talking about in post #1538, Christina or Fabiana Freitas. In either case, I'm surprised anyone would settle for a CBJ in Rio, where BBBJ is universal and the norm. Unless this is what you prefer, maybe for safety's sake. Personally, I would never go back to anyone who gave me a CBJ, but to each his own. Moreover, I always screen in advance for what I want, and don't pay until I get it. If she doesn't follow through on an agreed upon deal, then I'll pay her something, but not the full amount we agreed on. After all, a deal cuts two ways. Just my two cents worth.

Lorenzo

Track Star
11-11-05, 03:20
BJ is not a big deal to me. I like the most to see my penis banging in and out like a piston in a tight pussy in many positions for a long time. And then pull out and rip off the condom and release on the chicas butt-crack. Now there some excitement.

I guess it is all different strokes for different folks..ultimately it is all somewhat exciting...Rio and the free flow and abundant availability of pussy.

This is like heaven for someone that lives in the worst dating city in the USA=Seattle. A place where women are cynical and absolutely ultra materialistic.

See what I mean.

Cheers

Track Star

Track Star
11-11-05, 03:22
Lorenzo,

FYI..Christina and Fabiana is the same person..she has two names..and uses both of them from time to time..but she prefers Christina in person.

Track Star

Lorenzo
11-11-05, 07:32
Track Star,

You're right about Rio being like heaven. In fact, I tell friends that the first time I went to a termas--it was L'uomo in 2000--I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Isn't Muslim heaven supposed to be something like that, being serviced by 72 virgins and all that? Maybe I'm a Muslim and didn't know it (except I don't think these chicas are virgins). Happy hunting!

Lorenzo

Zidaho
11-12-05, 03:17
I agree, my first therma visit was Luomo too, (but in 2003) and I dumb struck for about the first hour, looking and smiling at the multitude of beautiful women who were available for the taking. I could not understand how it was possible this part of the world had escaped me for so long. It was then, the very first time in my life that I felt truly blessed for being such a horn dog. Still frequently get that feeling when I walk into a therma, the music, the beat, the dancers, the smiles, the feminine energy, their hair, painted nails, bikini bodies, the way they walk, it all seems so perfectly designed by God.

Bravo
11-12-05, 05:13
4X4 was my first terma. I was utterly and completely dumbfounded! After looking at Meia Pataca girls all vacation long, I couldnt believe there was a place where you could see some of the most gorgeous creatures in Brasil (And I didnt have to worry about negociating a price too!) I spent 8 hours in 4X4 on my first trip:-)

Exec Talent
11-12-05, 13:15
Lately, I few things have really started to get irritating about the Rio scene and I was wondering if I was the only one. For example --

Does it bother anyone else that the DJ at L'uomo constantly and all night long runs in and out of the relax room to watch football. That it seems more and more the drink you are buying for your girl becomes a community drink (why don't the ugly girls latch onto their own man). And, why is it that some Americans insist on spending hours and hours going on and on in the relax rooms (or wherever else they can corner you) about how Rio is so much different from America. Of course, these guys are always the Rio experts too.

OK, I feel better.

Sal Dali
11-12-05, 14:26
I've never experienced this. I'll go to L'uomo next week and check this out. Now, if I get distracted by a woman and don't come back with the goods on this situation, I apologize in advance.

Seriously, I'll be there Wednesday. It sounds like many things (like the exchange rate) are pretty troublesome. Rio is so much NOT like home, that it simply stands out as a great vacation spot for many men (from around the world). I've really leared to dislike Copacabana & spend MOST of my time elsewhere (although I don't have the stomach for VM yet . . . I think I need a good mentor :) ).

SD



And, why is it that some Americans insist on spending hours and hours going on and on in the relax rooms (or wherever else they can corner you) about how Rio is so much different from America. Of course, these guys are always the Rio experts too.

Full Throttle
11-12-05, 15:06
4X4 was my first terma. I was utterly and completely dumbfounded! After looking at Meia Pataca girls all vacation long, I couldnt believe there was a place where you could see some of the most gorgeous creatures in Brasil (And I didnt have to worry about negociating a price too!) I spent 8 hours in 4X4 on my first trip:-)

I agree whole-heartedly with this post. I remember one day I was hanging in Meia Pataca with a group of "brothers" from the ATL. While we planned to go to 4X4, do you think I could extract them from the patio? One was infatuated with the ugliest, foul-mouthed girl I've met in Brazil. The quality of girls in Meia Pataca during my last 3 visits have been horrible. Maybe 2 or 3 so-so ones out of 40.

The termas are what separates Rio from other mongering destinations. While 4X4 is my least favorite atmosphere of the termas I've been to, it's a 1,000 times better than hanging out in front of MP, and negotiating for services that may or may not be rendered, and wondering if you remembered to lock everything in your room safe on the way to the hotel/apartment.

Don't get me wrong, I hang out there for an hour or two every trip, but I think I'm becoming a L'Uomos kinda' guy.

Exec, if I see you there, we will only discuss the NFL and the stock market-- no US-Brazil comparisons...

FT

BuckRodgers
11-13-05, 09:22
Does anyone here know if 4x4, Monte Carlo, and L'uomo will be open or closed on Tuesday, November 15 for Republic Day?

If all will be closed, can anyone suggest some alternatives?

Thanks

Liucio
11-13-05, 18:07
Meia Pataca :

Some guys have never ventured away from the tables of Meia Pataca.
I have spoken with CATS that spend 14 days posted at those tables.

I leave for a 29 day trip on Nov 30
Finally, waited 6 months 4 this

Full Throttle
11-14-05, 02:50
Does anyone here know if 4x4, Monte Carlo, and L'uomo will be open or closed on Tuesday, November 15 for Republic Day?

If all will be closed, can anyone suggest some alternatives?

Thanks

4X4 will almost certainly be closed. L'Uomo's likely open. Solarium and Monte Carlo possibly open.

This is based on the profile of "Children's Day" or whatever the holiday was in mid-September.

FT

Bubba Boy
11-14-05, 04:00
Centaurus is definitely closed on Tuesday.

All centro termas will be closed. L'uomo, Monte and Solarium will be open.

RonnyRon
11-16-05, 20:51
Just got back on Monday and I am now in southern California. I should be completely moved back in about a week. I don't have my computer or scanner , so the photos and stories will have to wait. I can tell you it rain almost everyday and was beautiful this past Sunday. The beach was packed and I some great shots to share!

RonnyRon

Doc Bill
11-17-05, 07:41
well i’ve been back in sex prison for about a week now and still savoring my time in south america. here’s a brief report/summary/impressions from my fourth trip to rio:

arrival: i finally found the best way to get money and leave the airport. i know many of you already know this. first, when you pass security go to your right, ignore all the official-looking people offering to change money and get you a cab (some are very aggressive), and go to your right, up to the 3rd or 4th level (you’ll be on the first), go down all the way to your right to the atm’s and just get enough out to pay your cabfare and save you from having to deal with getting more money on your day of arrival. i got 400 reals, enough for taxi, food for the day, and a terma. then go down to the second (not first, where you arrived) level, which is for departures, go outside and talk to a cabbie who just dropped someone off. no touts, no middle-men. i offered 40 reals for a ride to ipanema and he gladly accepted.

food: this subject has been well-covered in this forum, but i want to say again how superb mariu’s in leme is, just a quick cab ride from ground zero (help). please avoid at all costs barril 1800 at the edge of ipanema on the beach. i caught something from their food that had me sick as a dog for about a week, until i got treated at a hospital in ba (for under us $50!). porcao is also a good bet, but the waiters are a little over-doting and they push the liquor. i was at the one in ipanema.

money: as has been reported here, the cambios offer a better rate than atm’s right now, although not by much. the best rate i found at a cambio was 2.3. help offered the best rate i could find, at 2.5. i also paid in us dollars at the termas, where the exchange rate tended to be a bit better than the cambios. luomo was 2.4, montecarlo and solarium (same owners) 2.3. the exception to this was 4x4, which offered a paltry 2.0 rate. with the current exchange rate i got much more bang for the buck in buenos aires, where the peso is a steady 3:1.

hotel: i stayed at the sol ipanema and would recommend it. unfortunately the rooftop pool was under re-construction. you have to be pretty firm when negotiating a rate here. we go them down to $255 reals a night, for deluxe rooms with ocean views. i think their normal rate is around 350 or so, depending on season. they are garota-friendly but charge a 30 real fee for the girl.

termas: my old favorite luomo was pretty weak. solarium and montecarlo were great, especially with the free entrance coupons i had. you can get them online from their websites before leaving. they are only good for two weeks from issue and only on certain days, so read the fine print. 4x4, which i haven’t liked in the past, turned out to be my favorite on this trip. i did a threesome with two [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)-likes who could’ve been twins. it was a stellar moment!

help: same old shit, imho. not my scene. the termas are too much easier.

non-sexual entertainment/nightlife: lapa just rocks! got that greenwich villiage feel to it, with lots of clubs, great music, beautiful women (non-pros) and just interesting to walk around. word of caution: most if not all of the working “girls” here are not girls, and they are pretty enough to fool the best of us. we also went to hear a group called bossacucanova in botafogo. if you get a chance see them, it’s an incredible show, somewhere between pink floyd and old-syle samba/bossanova.

beach: i can only speak for ipanema because that’s where i stayed. the beach was beautiful with beautiful woman very scantily clad. only drawback is the constant flow of touts fucking up your serenity. the solution to this is to move to an isolated stretch, some ways out, but then, of course, you miss the fashion show. at any rate, no working girls on this beach.

villa mimosa: best for last? well, maybe not, but certainly the most interesting. since there were three of us going i felt not-too-nervous about it, and i felt it was something i had to do to earn my stripes in brazil. we went at about 11 on a friday night. it has been said that “if cleanliness is next to godliness then villa mimosa borders on hell,” and i actually found that to be a gross understatement. if you’re a germaphobe or have any inclinaton to take a crap before you leave then don’t go! this was the most disgusting filthy place i have ever seen in my life – people pissing, shitting and puking everywhere, shit all over the streets. it’s also wonderful and i would definitely return. the place is like a bar scene in a star wars movie, a true show to watch. about half the girls were wolf-ugly, and about 20 percent fairly good, with a couple of stunners. price was 20 reals for 20 minutes. all covered, quick and businesslike, but what do you want for eight bucks?! as for safety that was a non-issue. heavy police presence and brightly lit, and no one bothered anyone else that didn’t want to be bothered. a true sex bazaar/bizarre!

welll that’s all i can remember right now. cheers!

Sperto
11-17-05, 08:30
Villa Mimosa:...The place is like a bar scene in a Star Wars movie, a true show to watch.
Funny, when I went to VM for the first time I had the same impression: a bar scene in a Star Wars movie (and a bit of From Dusk Till Dawn and Planet of the Apes).

This was the most disgusting filthy place I have ever seen in my life – people pissing, shitting and puking everywhere, shit all over the streets.
Friday nights are wild, but I never noticed that many people pissing and puking (and definitely not shitting) in the bar area.
VM rules!

Rio Bob
11-17-05, 13:31
Food: This subject has been well-covered in this forum, but I want to say again how superb Marius’ in Leblon is, just a quick cab ride from ground zero (HELP). Please avoid at all costs Barril 1800 at the edge of Ipanema on the beach. I caught something from their food that had me sick as a dog for about a week, until I got treated at a hospital in BA (for under US $50!). Porcon (sp?) is also a good bet, but the waiters are a little over-doting and they push the liquor.



I do believe you mean Mariu's in LEME which is different than Leblon. Barril 1800, I can't believe that you got sick there too, I did 2 times but in the year 1987 and I will not eat there since then, I have stoppd in for a beer or 2 on a walk back from Ipanema but I would not dare ever eat there again. At least you were on the ground when you got sick, I got sick at the beginning of my 10 hour flight home and spent most of the flight in the bathroom either on my knees or my ass. Porcon = Porcao, is a chain and has several locations in Rio and the US but now my favorite is the one in Flamengo Park actually called Porcao Rio because the restaurant that it is in used to be called just "Rio" which was famous for it's views of Sugar Loaf.

Rendorseg
11-17-05, 16:06
Hey comrades.... I've not been much of a poster but last nights experience I must say takes the cock, er, ah, cake.

I'm a bit jaded on the Help scene and have been trying to avoid it more and more... but yes, as they say some gems are there to be found...

Last night after dinner at a nearby churrascaria we were simply going to walk by help continuing down to Leme, 4 of us... but then my mainbuddy abandoned us and rode off with a chickie who for me at least did nothing much...

Then after a few times walking around the area I found one cute gal who got offended when I asked her how long she's worked there... well I think she's one of the ones with a bad rap...

OK so around again I go looking for something new and nice... I zero in on 2 garotas, one of whom has a cute baby face, maybe an 8 and the other girl's maybe a 7. As it turns out one just turned 18 and the other is 20. B-cups all round. They jokingly suggest that we do a 'festinha'/3some. I say well, no, I am waiting for my other girl to call me (she was late as usual...) about a festinha with another friend of hers but she's had a bad tooth ache.... so 20 yr old says very convincingly (like a true car salesperson) takes us now, we're here.... So I disbelievingly say sure, yah, right you don't really like and fully participate in festinhas, do you? they retort no, we love them and in fact they jump up and indicating great pleasure at such things.... so after going into some detail (no anal for me, verfied that the one is >18, and BBBJ beijos, etc...) we embark off for $200 for the whole night....

First 45 minutes in my place nothing going except listening to music and the girls are hungry so I feed them sandwiches...(that is a nice sign, other girls demand to go to a pizzaria...) So it seems that the 18 y/o is new to this... she is as they would say quite fresh... She has one of those long undulating bodies... they're both caucasian with, after the shower, not the most dramatic tan lines. so while 20 is checking email I'm admiring the view with 18 and then I start kissing her... wow, sweet lips. then at their insistence I have to kiss them both and note that 20 has one of the longest and strongest tongues I have ever had the pleasure encountering...

OK, off to bed. We all 3 get on. It breaks! Well, no one of the slats needing adjusting then we were off to the races... 20 immediately starts sucking me using that amazing tongue while 18 is kissing me and my nipples.... then we switch to a nice long group kiss... and they were really into it... Even in Thailand's famous Eden Club I never experienced a 3 some kiss like this... they were reeeeeally into it. Must have lasted 10 minutes on that kiss... then they say what's next but they knew what was next and they both started sucking on my cock and balls and while doing that they were kissing each other down under... good god... 18 has a nice talent of taking it very deeeeeeeeeeeep and that was nice... OK so after 15 minutes of that we switched to me and 20 eating out 18 - 20 was really into it so much that with not much else to do I stuck my cock in 18's direction and she happily sucked me deeply every now and again - while she also moaned - she liked her amiga's tongue also... then we switched so that 18 and I ate out 20 and little cutie 18 liked flicking her tongue all around also... On and on... then they wanted to fuck but I said no, time for 69 so we had a nice round of that... then I fucked 18 cowboy and then reverse cowboy and told 20 to lick us both - she did but complained that were was a bad rubber flavor from the dildo... Oh I forgot to say that a big dildo (which most girls refuse) was greedily used by 18 on 20 during parts of our little orgy.... at this point they were amazed that I kept going (must have been the remnants of Cialis fm prior night) and I said OK now you can each go down on each other in 69... 20 pretended not to understand so I just spread 18's little ass up in doggy postion (nothing like a tight young pussy) and started pumping... she moaned... then I told 20 to get under in 69 position... she said no, there's no air...I told her come on the window's open... and like a good camper under she went and she got into licking my balls and I am not so sure but at my encouragement I think she also was licking her friend's pussy judging by the moaning there...... What an intense sensation it was... this was groupsex at it's best... anyways, much to my dismay I started to spurt and pulled out and came all over 20 face... she did not like it she said it messed up her hair but afterwards she was all fine....

I think that the moral of the story is that 7-8 type girls can be far better than the star quality type such as the one I saw yesterday in front of Cesar Park.

Anways, that's about it... they want to come back tonight... Practice makes perfect as they say...

Rendorseg

Doc Bill
11-17-05, 19:00
Thanks for the corrections, Rio Bob. Yes, I meant to say Mariu's in Leme. There's the meat and the seafood restaurants side by side. The Porcao I went to was in Ipanema. And hey, I may have been on the ground when I got sick from Barrill 1800 but it came up first on the ground at terma MonteCarlo. It was so not cool!

Yankee 617
11-17-05, 22:59
Just a quick note to say that I got a 1-BR Copa apartment near HELP from Gringo Management last year and have just reserved one again from them this year. My experience last year was good. Clean unit and a secure elevatored building with friendly doorman just 1 block from HELP at reasonable price ($50/night). No need to deal with desk clerks or extra fees to have guests.

http://www.gringomanagement.com/

Full Throttle
11-18-05, 03:26
I'm in town the 25th and 26th. I can't help it (definitely no pun intended). Will anything be open? Will I starve? Must I masturbate?

FT

Rio Bob
11-20-05, 00:46
Well that's it for me no more sex tourism since they banned these postcards, I guess they will accomplish what they want.

I really want to know how many here went to Rio based on a postcard they saw?

Actually the first time I went to Rio I had no clue what was going on there, I didn't even get laid. I did return though about 6 months later and was sitting in the cafe outside the Sofitel hotel in 1980 and said to a friend of mine that there is something strange going on here because all these beautiful women are staring at me. The rest is history I have been going ever since but it had nothing to do with a postcard. What a joke.

Brazil bans saucy postcards
19/11/2005 - 17:29:54

Postcards showing scantily clad women alongside Rio de Janeiro’s famous landmarks have been banned under a new law in the state famed worldwide for Carnival.

The law, which went into effect yesterday, outlaws the popular cards showing Brazilian women in tiny bikinis – known as “dental floss” – together with local attractions like Copacabana Beach, Sugarloaf Mountain and the Christ the Redeemer statue.

While Brazilians widely accept skimpy bikinis and other displays of the female form, such as racy magazines, TV ads and Carnival processions, some are irritated by attempts to identify them with the country itself or to make them attractions for sexually oriented tourists.

Representative Alice Tamborindeguy introduced the bill in October, saying the “photos are risque and encourage sexual tourism.”

She said the “insistent campaign to exhibit the female form ... only degrades the image of our state and our country.”

Gladiator
11-20-05, 01:57
No problem, I don't usually have the time to write and send postcards anyway.

Rabo Verde
11-20-05, 02:20
What is the current average asking and accepting price at HELP?

Jaimito Cartero
11-20-05, 02:38
Barril 1800, I can't believe that you got sick there too, I did 2 times but in the year 1987 and I will not eat there since then, I have stoppd in for a beer or 2 on a walk back from Ipanema but I would not dare ever eat there again.

I ate there once (Their Pizza buffet), and luckily didn't get sick. Pretty decent, but a little slow in coming out sometimes.

Full Throttle
11-20-05, 05:04
Before it gets too buried, do any of your experts know about the status of the Copa termas on Christmas Day? The day after?

Sal Dali
11-20-05, 13:06
I'm here now. The prices are silly. Not unusual to see gdp's starting at R$400. Last night, I watched someone get quoted R$500 for 2 hours. She was an 8 at best.

I hope to hell(p) that no one is biting on these prices . . . but know that newbies probably are. PLEASE, if you're reading this . . . stop giving away your money and try to hold the prices down to some reasonable level. Remember that the Real is going up and the rest of our currencies are dropping in relative value.

So . . . patience . . . patience . . . and then be willing to walk away from a bad deal. Think with the big head.

SD



What is the current average asking and accepting price at HELP?

Exec Talent
11-20-05, 18:45
I spent over three plus months in Rio recently and the most I paid for an all-nighter (until 3-4 the following afternoon) was R$250. You will never see me with less than an 8. Every once in awhile I came across a girl with an attitude, but most of the girls are real sweethearts. Paying first and paying R$300+ is simply absurd.

Grandpa
11-20-05, 19:27
Exec Talent,

I couldn't agree with you more. I have almost always paid just 200R whether it be from Help, Balcony or the beach. Mostly, they have been sweethearts. When I did venture to 250R (9 or 10s), they came with attitude and average service. A couple of times I was able to bargin for 100-250R for the whole night, but they were so good and very sweet, I would just give them the 200R I was willing to pay. When I did meet an exceptionally sweet GFE, my tip would be to invite them for a repeat for the next two or three days (at the same price) and treat them like a GF (beach, restaurants, movies, discos and sometimes a trip to the mall...on me). I look for above average girls with a body type that gets my juices pumped up but not gorgeous gems. These girls (except two) never took advantage of me and remain women worth remembering. Unfortunately, they always seemed to move on (except the less trustworthy ones). After about 3 months in total over the last 2 years, I have left Rio with lasting memories about 90% of the time.

By the way, after two years of lurking, this is my first report. I will be there again next week for 10 days. I'll rent an apartment (approx. 70-80R per night), return to my favourite (and most trustworthy guy) baracca guy on the beach...and let the games begin. Anyone there next weekend? You're welcome to join me in some sun, fun, relaxation at its best and lasting memories.

Liucio
11-20-05, 19:50
Heading off for trip
What's the in house rate?

Hojo
11-21-05, 00:51
Before it gets too buried, do any of your experts know about the status of the Copa termas on Christmas Day? The day after?

The thermas are closed christmas day(Sunday). Most should be open the next day which is a Monday.

If I remeber correctly, HELP was closed Christmas of 2004 as well.

It will be hard to find a girl for Christmas unless you have a very close regular. In which case you'll spend christmas with her and her family.

Don't forget to bring white cloths for New Year.

pop till you drop,
hojo

Double
11-21-05, 04:32
$400 real tease,

On my last trip I ran into a young hottie. I started flirting with her across the isle and she was quick to tell me that she charges $400r for one hour. I was a little put off by the fact that she just opened with a price quote. I did not react to what she said, and continued to speak to her without making any mention to her $400r price. After about 15 minutes of speaking the lady came by with flowers and she asked me to buy her a rose, I declined and told her that she is too expensive for me.

She asked me to join her at her table, and I agreed. We talked for a while, and to make a long story short, she eventually agreed to $200r for 2 hours. I am not the type that wants to have a lady stay overnight so 2 hours was plenty of time.

Many of the experienced ladies have learned that if they run into a man with lots of desire and little confidence he will pay her asking price. Men, do not give up the drivers seat, money has a great deal more utility than pussy. Don't be an asshole, but work it.......

Zorglub
11-21-05, 10:16
The most I paid (in october) for a allnighter in "help" was 200 and that is some money in Brazil.
I would never pay more than 100 for one hour.

If she doesn`t agree , just move on. You`ll always find another hottie that does.

Amerioca
11-21-05, 11:24
I'm here now. The prices are silly. Not unusual to see gdp's starting at R$400. Last night, I watched someone get quoted R$500 for 2 hours. She was an 8 at best.

SD

If many persons are being quoted those amounts, then the scene has changed dramatically after I left for CONUS in April . My two years of living in those lands, I was never quoted an outrageous amount like such. That is ridiculous, even for a starting price. Really.

There is a slight surge of availabile women up until a couple days before Christmas. Many are seeking monies to buy gifts, passage to home, etc... Expect very little action +/- 2 days from Christmas. After, get ready for the New Year and Carnaval. All good.

What is the action like on the beach these days?

Sperto
11-21-05, 13:09
There has always been some pro's asking outrageous prices. There are very few of them who will be able to charge this. This is unless they meet a firsttimer, a fool or somebody don't caring what he pays.

The salário mínimo is R$ 300. Even thinking to pay that amount for one session or one night is both unnecessary and stupid. The majority of the girls inside/outside Help will settle for R$ 100-150.

If somebody wants to pay the double what other mongers pays it's fine with me. The girls propably needs his money more than he does. :)

Comgo
11-21-05, 15:50
I was quoted 400R for 1:30hr the other night in Barbarela. Of course, I told her that's not enough and offered her $2000US for 5 minutes. Yeah right. She didn't seem to be willing to come down either, but perhaps I didn't try. Obviously, I moved on. She didn't get a customer that night which makes me think these girls need an economics lesson about what they're selling. The next couple of hours came and went whether she came with me or not, but if she had agreed to a more reasonable amount she would have money she now doesn't have. It seems as the worse the dollar is doing, the more everyone wants to charge here. Does this make any sense to anyone?

Gimmedub
11-21-05, 16:28
Comgo,

I have observed that as well. I've found that when traveling to the 3rd world america's if the girls have no business (or our $ isn't doing so hot) they RAISE the prices... it seems like an inverse of the supply/demand curve - not sure how that works for them but it sure does put a damper on the # of shots one can get off during a vacation!


I was quoted 400R for 1:30hr the other night in Barbarela. Of course, I told her that's not enough and offered her $2000US for 5 minutes. Yeah right. She didn't seem to be willing to come down either, but perhaps I didn't try. Obviously, I moved on. She didn't get a customer that night which makes me think these girls need an economics lesson about what they're selling. The next couple of hours came and went whether she came with me or not, but if she had agreed to a more reasonable amount she would have money she now doesn't have. It seems as the worse the dollar is doing, the more everyone wants to charge here. Does this make any sense to anyone?

Bravo
11-22-05, 01:43
I was quoted 400R for 1:30hr the other night in Barbarela. Of course, I told her that's not enough and offered her $2000US for 5 minutes. Yeah right. She didn't seem to be willing to come down either, but perhaps I didn't try. Obviously, I moved on. She didn't get a customer that night which makes me think these girls need an economics lesson about what they're selling. The next couple of hours came and went whether she came with me or not, but if she had agreed to a more reasonable amount she would have money she now doesn't have. It seems as the worse the dollar is doing, the more everyone wants to charge here. Does this make any sense to anyone?


9 times out of 10. When a really good looking girl quotes a super high price and absolutely refuses to budge, its because she has a sugardaddy. She only has to fuck when she feels like it, because she knows her Western Union transfer will be arriving in a couple of days.

Euro100
11-22-05, 03:08
Even if they only get 200 reais per night, they do not have to absolutely get laid every night. They easily can make a living by getting lucky once every three or four days. If they are not greedy, and if they are decent looking, they can be picky. But these are two big ifs.

euro

Comgo
11-22-05, 05:26
9 times out of 10. When a really good looking girl quotes a super high price and absolutely refuses to budge, its because she has a sugardaddy. She only has to fuck when she feels like it, because she knows her Western Union transfer will be arriving in a couple of days.

That's a good possibility. She was IMHO at least in the top 3 at Barbarela's that night, but still how many people are willing to pay 400R for 1:30hr? Who are these sugardaddy dim-wits? It seems like the cambio's are all crazy too. Almost all are giving under the official rate, which makes no sense either. Why wouldn't I just use my ATM instead of using a "black market" cambio? Everyone here needs some economics lessons or a good whack in the head.

Comgo
11-22-05, 05:28
Even if they only get 200 reais per night, they do not have to absolutely get laid every night. They easily can make a living by getting lucky once every three or four days. If they are not greedy, and if they are decent looking, they can be picky. But these are two big ifs.

euro

I agree but this wasn't 200R, she wanted 400R for 1:30hr. That's just ridiculous, that's bordering on what I can pay in the U.S. In fact, I can pay less than that at an AMP or LMP in the U.S.

Viper10
11-22-05, 07:01
Trust me, from what I have seen, there are plenty of "sugardaddy dim-wits." When I was there a couple of months ago, several girls quoted me $150USD or 400R and walked away from $100USD or 230R. There were plenty of gringos who did not speak any portuguese and had 3,4 girls at their table. I'm sure they overpaid and by a lot.

Viper


That's a good possibility. She was IMHO at least in the top 3 at Barbarela's that night, but still how many people are willing to pay 400R for 1:30hr? Who are these sugardaddy dim-wits? It seems like the cambio's are all crazy too. Almost all are giving under the official rate, which makes no sense either. Why wouldn't I just use my ATM instead of using a "black market" cambio? Everyone here needs some economics lessons or a good whack in the head.

Perkele
11-22-05, 09:56
Trust me, from what I have seen, there are plenty of "sugardaddy dim-wits." When I was there a couple of months ago, several girls quoted me $150USD or 400R and walked away from $100USD or 230R. There were plenty of gringos who did not speak any spanish and had 3,4 girls at their table. I'm sure they overpaid and by a lot.

Viper

Spanish?

P

Viper10
11-22-05, 10:11
Spanish?

P

Thanks, I meant to say portuguese or not even a little spanish.(for them to understand you)

Aardvark
11-23-05, 21:59
I was very tired after many hours of flying and four plane changes, so I did only went to one place on Tuesday night.

I chose Barbarella as the place to try first. I really enjoyed myself. The girls were all at least 8s with many 9s. I arrived around 10:30 PM and the bar was mostly empty. By 11 PM it was starting to fill up. There is always one girl on stage dancing topless in a g-string. There is a bigger stage on the other side of the room that serves as a dance floor. Many of the girls dance here (with clothes on) and there were as many as 15 girls on this stage at a time and sometimes they had customers with them.

I quickly spotted a nice young lady named Luciana and had her join me for a drink. She is a language student. She is studying English, Spanish and German in the evenings before work. If a customer does not take her out she stays at the club until 4 AM.

Drinks are about $10 US a piece and the charge to take a girl away from the club is 60 Reais. Two drinks for me and two drinks for her and the bar fee came to 145 Reais.

Lu started off asking for $300 US for staying with me for "long time", but not to sleep over. I managed to get her down to $300 Reais. I am going to have to sharpen my bargaining skills (and be prepared to walk away), but I was very tired and she had gotten me very turned on.

The doorman steered us into a non-metered taxi that cost 20 Reais for the short trip to the hotel. The trip over in a metered taxi was under 5 Reais. The doorman also demanded a tip.

The Marriott made he sign a checkin card with many personal details and took a copy of her ID. The bellman told me that I had made a "good choice". She was very energetic and skilled in bed and stayed for over two hours.

Lu told me that most of the customers at Barbarella are Italian with a very small amount of Americans and a very, very small amount of Brazilians.

More later.

Aardvark

Traveler222
11-24-05, 01:36
I am not so interested in full service. I am looking for a passable massage by an attractive women in a spa setting, with a happy handjob ending.

Any suggestions?

Comgo
11-24-05, 22:56
I just wanted to let everyone know that Help is definitely not good for exchanging American dollars right now. Help has always given the best or close to the best rate for American dollars but it's all over now. Their current rate is 2.20 while the official rate is over 2.24 (ATM rate). I exchanged the usual $100 the other night and after they told me what rate they're giving me, I got my $100 back. The cambios all seem like they're in some conspiracy to screw tourists since they're all quoting the same crappy rates below the official/ATM rate. Last time I was here I was able to get up to 8 centavos over the official rate, but they're not budging much past the official rate this time with a good amount of haggling. Anyone else have more luck recently (last few days) and which cambio?

Liucio
11-24-05, 23:05
Aardvark

You paid $R300 at 1am
you got her down from US$300 to $R300 at 1am
and she could not stay all night
"oh my"

I reserve the right NOT to comment on this 1
WOW

These garotas have sharpened their skill, their good from US$300 to $R300

Euro100
11-25-05, 06:20
Luicio,

Why don't you save your wise-ass dumb-fuck comments and post some reports for a change! You have managed to get 300+ reports into this forum without really saying anything of relevance. Is putting other mongers down over how much you think they overpaid really the only thing you can contribute?

euro

On The Go
11-25-05, 06:32
Luicio,

Why don't you save your wise-ass dumb-fuck comments and post some reports for a change! You have managed to get 300+ reports into this forum without really saying anything of relevance. Is putting other mongers down over how much you think they overpaid really the only thing you can contribute?

euro

LOL!, Euro, checkout the post I made in the photo section earlier today!

Exec Talent
11-25-05, 14:55
Liucio was added to my ignore list long ago. Suggest everyone else take the same action. For someone with nothing worthwhile to say he sure says it a lot.

Lima Busy
11-25-05, 19:45
Liucio was added to my ignore list long ago. Suggest everyone else take the same action. For someone with nothing worthwhile to say he sure says it a lot.

Suggest the same is done for OTG, nothing but worthless dribble posted around the world!

LB

On The Go
11-25-05, 20:38
Suggest the same is done for OTG, nothing but worthless dribble posted around the world!

LB

Starting shit again Lima Dizzy, Nibu, or who are you today with your various id's?. You tried your damndest to flame me previously only to have to eat your own shit by me proving your accusations and statements towards me had no merit. Furthermore just in the past week in other threads on the ISG you would have saw other members thanking me for providing informative information, not to mention the various p.m's I receive or share. You are what you are LD and I am reposting your flame again to show your ignorance and stupidity.
Originally Posted by Lima Busy on approx. 11/1/2005
This guy is a riddle wrapped in a enigma. I was bored so I read over all 95 of his past reports and this is what I discovered as like Motolo there was no info other then the regurgiated posts of others.

1. He first came on the scene about 6 months ago.

2. He claims to be 31 years old, with over 20 years of management
experience! I guess he graduated Harvard when he was 11.

3. In May of this year he was relocating to the Phillipines. A month later he was relocating to Puerta Vallarta, Mexico.

4. In March he was singing the praises for a monger named Junior, a month later he asked Jackson to have him banned.

5. In June he was congratulating "Nibu" himself on a great mexican report and telling Nibu how they were going to crack the mongering scene in Puerta Vallarta wide open.

6. Now he see's "Nibu" behind every tree!

I for one feel OTG should certainly be the next one to go!

LB

To answer the questions posted about me.

1). I did come on to the scene 8 months ago so Lima Dizzy has a problem
with math as well as *NOT PROVIDING ACCURATE INFORMATION*, no
big deal and who cares, and what does it matter anyway when I
came on to the International Sex Guide!!!!!!!

(From his opening statement) Lima Dizzy states, and I quote him "there was no info other then the regurgiated posts of others". ****AGAIN INACCURATE INFORMATION**** I have provided indepth reports on the Philippines and on Boca Chica in the Domincan Republic, including posting a series of pictures. I have also provided helpful insight to other mongers questions such as places to stay, where to go, security issues, transportation opportunities, nightlife, and much much more. At least I can afford to monger out and provide first hand reports, where as it is in my belief Lima Dizzy relies on reports based on what he gathers with his limited reading skills, and the what he is able to read into the pictures he sees.

2). I have been in management for over 20 years with my first job
managing a paper route and also selling fishing bait all at a very young
age.

3). I previously did live in the Philippines, and in May I was set to make it my
permanent home but the business opportunity I was pursuing fell through
at the last second. I do now have a home in Puerto Vallarta and I do have
my FM 3 residency permit for there.

4). I did enjoy a post by Junior and I made a post referencing how much I
appreciated it. As time passed and I had the opportunity to read more of
Juniors posts and what I concluded was unnecessary attacks on others, in addition to getting the impression he was just a arrogant asshole, I tried to resolve the issues I had with him, but unfortunatly he would not allow that, as he just wanted to debate and flame in a manner that was not appropriate. In time any issues I had with him were resolved in an appropriate manner.

5). Nibu made a post that I enjoyed, and again I am a very kind person who
believes in giving praise out to others when justified and I let him know
that. However.**** AGAIN Lima Dizzy**** is providing you readers with INACCURATE information about my post to Nibu as I never mentioned that I was going to monger with Nibu, or crack the mongering seen wide open in Puerto Vallarta. Since that time I have had more time to spend on the ISG reading posts and now I have come to the conclusion that Nibu is an instigator on this forum, manipulates the truth, and he does disguise himself under other alias's including Lima Busy.

These are my responses to the questions of Lima Dizzy, and I hope they answer any doubts you fellow readers might have after reviewing his questions to me, and I hope you consider the source here, as in 5 statements and in a introduction he provided you readers with false or inaccurate information on 3 occasions!!!!. *Now who has a credibility issue here*.

Of course Lima Dizzy, aka Nibu, you feel I should be the next one to go as IMHO you know that I am on to the bullshit that you try to spread and instigate on this forum, and the fact that I offer my opinion does not sit well with you, and that is totally understandable. I feel I have offered informative and in depth posts, supportive posts, debateable posts, pictures, and have supplied many others through P.M'S with quality information, and if Jackson feels that my opinions and observations are not appropriate for his forum then I will not need a poll to exit me from posting, I would be more than happy to accomodate his request. I am a very open minded, easy going person who gives a helping hand to others whenever I can, and I am one who will give praise when I feel it is deserved, but I will also stand up like a man and not be a pussy for what I believe in, and if that makes me a person not suitable for this forum so be it, I will leave with no hard feelings, knowing I took it like a man instead of a crying adult wimp. Thank you for all of your opinions and expressions and I hope this post gives you all a more understanding of who "On The Go" is and what he is all about. Peace to all!

Sperto
11-25-05, 22:19
With all respect to my fellow mongers. Don't throw shit on each others in the Rio section.
Actually there is a section called:
Enter Complaints about other Members:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=318

Comgo
11-26-05, 08:54
I would suggest avoiding Cafe Sensoo on Ave. Princesa Isabel. It's a total rip-off joint with horrible talent. All the girls will try to get you to buy them 40R drinks and these are girls that 15R VM girls are super hot compared to. Entry is 50R and taking a girl out is a whopping 100R just for the boite. I think the whole place had one other customer there and it was obvious why. What was even more funny was one of the barely okay looking girls telling me how all terma girls are so much uglier than the girls at Sensoo. At least Barberela's actually has a couple of pretty girls, even though I would recommend avoiding Barbarela's as well, this place made me wish I had gone to Barbarela's instead. I couldn't believe they wanted to charge even more than Barbarela's with the favela talent they have.

Liucio
11-26-05, 16:25
I didn't think it was a dumb comment
I think I add a great deal to the forum
You have yet to see a threat from me blasting people
I have not yet blasted people on an endless basis
There r numerous cats that personally blast people thread after thread.
I don't have the NRG that that shit

Overpaying affects my travel
I you read the post theres nothing negative there

Word of advice:
2,000 people pass the window daily on their way to work
but 1 person stops, looks at himself and flexes his muscle

I still go the luv
think positive

Brazil Lover
11-26-05, 20:21
I just got back from my second trip to Brazil. My itinerary was Rio and Maceio.

Let me start by saying that Rio is not the value destination it once was. I was last there 2 years ago, same time of year. The difference this time was, well, remarkable.

Allow me to quickly run through the most notable changes.

-- Everything is more expensive. The hotels, the food, and yes, the women. The weakness of the dollar combined with the inflation has made Rio to be nearly as expensive as many western vacations. Food was outrageous, and the hotels were as well.

-- The girls are more mercenary. There are still some values to be had, but the expectations of the girls are largely different. Forget all-night, forget even 2 hours -- the girls want short-time, and they want a lot of money for it. R200 for 1 hour seemed their standard asking price. 2 hours wanted R250, and all nighters asked for R300+.

-- The crowd has changed. Mea Pataca now is simply overwhelmed by black americans. Guys, I have absolutely no problem with blacks, but the fact is that they completely monopolize an area because they all stay together. If there were 30 black guys in Rio, all 30 of them were at MP at the same time.

Now, on to the report..

Upon arrival in Rio, the weather was simply terrible.. Rain and wind and coldddd... This lasted about 3 days, after which the weather was wonderful.

During my 5 nights in Rio, I took only 3 girls. 2 all-nighters at R200, and one 2 hour girl for R100. These were the only bargains I could find. I absolutely was not going to pay a girl R300 in a 3rd world country. I was in Help for about an hour and decided that it is simply not a place to go.. Too expensive, too hard to talk to the girls, and the girls were too cut-throat.

Now, Maceio was a different story altogether... Guys, if you want good girls, good service, and good prices, you need to get out of Rio. Maceio is a beautiful beach city, VERY safe, and with very nice people. Hotels are cheaper, food is cheaper, and the girls are EXTREMELY cheap.

Most girls can be had for R50 for short time. I did not inquire about long-time, but I can imagine it is very affordable. Furthermore, there are strip-clubs in Centro that are even less.. R30, and that includes the room!

This is similar to my experiences with Recife. All in all, the NE is a good value... The girls are just as good looking, but there will be less english spoken.. Of course, the girls know what you want, so that is not a problem.

Anyway, that's it. For future vacations, I plan to avoid Rio. I may even avoid Brazil entirely.. All of S. America has beautiful women, not just Brazil. And you can find working girls no matter what country you go to.

Comgo
11-27-05, 10:49
I went to Centaurus recently and other than their exchange rate being the best (2.4R/$1US), I think it's the worst terma out of the major ones. It has a lot of girls and a few hot ones (not as many as I thought there would be and not as hot as I thought they would be), but the atmosphere isn't as fun as the other termas. The girls seem much more versed and "professional", and it's too easy to see through their act to enjoy it. At the other termas there are times, you actually think the girls like you. At Centaurus, it's all an obvious act for wham, bam, thank you ma'am, and move on to the next victim. Although unlike as others have stated, I actually didn't experience anything bad with the management, they seemed respectful and professional. The girls though were extremely aggressive: wanting drinks, wanting to have their friend join, wanting to go up to the room quickly, etc. At the other termas, the girls will talk and flirt and do a lot of fore-play and wait for you to ask to go up to a room. Something else that was interesting to me was that there were a lot of Americans there and while I'm American myself, I felt they ruined the atmosphere somewhat. It just didn't seem right with so many people speaking English loudly to each other.

Comgo
11-27-05, 11:01
I also went to Help again recently. I'm glad Help is going to be closed down because it sure isn't the Help that I've read so much about in prior years. It's a joke how much the GDP's there want and the service they provide. It's going to be interesting to see how many of these girls turn to VM to turn 15R tricks when Help does finally close. 200R for short term is the minimum for the barely attractive girls (this is my taste and I would consider 98% not attractive and 2% barely attractive at Help) and this is for CBJ, little/no kissing, unenthusiastic sex, and leaving/trying to leave before the agreed time. I couldn't believe how many of the GDP's would refuse anything below 300-400R for short term with what would be most likely the terrible service that I just described. This is not just from personal experience; I watched countless others go through these refusuals for anything less than 300-400R for short term. Bye-bye Help, good riddance.

Benefit
11-27-05, 16:25
Re: Florida and Scandanavia both on Praca Maua in Centro. Hey guys. I was in Rio during Carnavale in 2003 and had a ball and pulled three ladies from these places. Two of the three were hot and sexy. This was street level action and because it was in Centro and away from Atlantica , selections were plenty. It was a run down neighborhood but lively. I am looking to go back to Rio in the off season (June 2006) and wonder if that area will be just as hot. Can anyone provide an update.

Bimbo Boy
11-27-05, 20:10
I don't think that Brazil Lover's comments were racist of offensive. He has just written about his experiences. If you don't like what he says, why don't you report him to the Admin?

Eric Cartman
11-27-05, 21:48
-- Everything is more expensive. The hotels, the food, and yes, the women. The weakness of the dollar combined with the inflation has made Rio to be nearly as expensive as many western vacations. Food was outrageous, and the hotels were as well..I don't mean to argue, but when I was in Rio in mid-October (so not that long ago) things were more expensive but still decent value. I stayed at a nice hotel (Parthenon Queen Elizabeth) 1 block from Centaurus at approx. $100US/night, which isn't bad. Also had some really good/great meals for low $$, including Carretao, a churrascuria in Ipanema about 2 blocks from Centaurus, that was 1 notch in quality down from Porcao but only about $13-$15US per person. Even Porcao was still good value: $60 for two people with drinks etc. Maybe things are relative. A good hotel in California is going to be $180+ and a good steak dinner for 2 with drinks will push $100-$120 depending on vino.

Also I don't dispute that prices may have gone up the past month. Just chiming in, for what its worth. I haven't tracked the exchange rate lately so that may be what you are seeing.

Liucio
11-27-05, 22:29
Brazil Lover :

I absolutely was not going to pay a girl R300 in a 3rd world country. . Too expensive, too hard to talk to the girls, and the girls were too cut-throat.

the girls want short-time, and they want a lot of money for it. R200 for 1 hour seemed their standard asking price. 2 hours wanted R250, and all nighters asked for R300+.

standard asking price

Thats y is imperative to correct the market price.
Guys have been writing about this for the last 8 mos.
About how the price has changed relative to the exchange rate.
The damage is already done from what I have read in the PM's I receive and the e-mails I receive from my sources on the ground in RIO.

Garotas are refusing anything under $R200 because they know the benefit of their long term actions. (UNIONIZE/UAW).

Even if they need the $R200, and refuse it they stand to benefit.
Problem is not the women (supply)
Its the demand (wealthy clients)

Clients are weathier (in their head) and r dropping serious $R for 2 hrs.

The exchange rate is at record LOWS and the garota accepting price is at its record HIGHS

Not to include the black market is now closing the spread on the exchange rate.

Places are now offering BANK rates on the DOLLLAR.
The place near MAB'S is now offereing just .03 more than BANCO REAL.

BANCO REAL was offering $R2.34 , blackmarket on COPA is offering $R2.31 on the $US DOLLAR. UNREAL

Many more guys r just either refusing to walkaway either because:
1. They R just roll'in $R
2. Can't cut a deal in developing country
3. Garotas STRAIGHT BALLIN ( they R using STRAP ON'S)

The MIN wage in RIO is $R250/MO (published by Brasilian Gov't Statistics)

Someone is making the min wage for 1 month in 1 hr.
Hold on
Is that right
Shit
Wait let me calculate this:

I'm in Brasil and I'm paying US prices.

Its all created by me, us , them?

These garotas r holding tight and rightly so - if they can get y not
Even if HELP closing it could end up driving prices even higher.
It may not be the solution

Lotta CATS think closing the place is the answer - it may not b

But I notice when CATS write about the redunkus prices it generates hate post

I'm on the ground this week and just passing thru RIO (lost luster)
29 days in different cities on buses
and believe me I will not gett'in the strap on, I'm doing F*kin

Sorry Brazil Lover about your experience but I'll carry pick up the water bucket and carry it onward

RonnyRon
11-28-05, 00:22
Rastaman,

Things in Rio have changed. I am African American and I don't find Brazil Lover's comments offensive at all. I find them to be true. Food is more expensive and exchange is much less. Paradise ruined. The most ridiculous thing I saw on my trip earlier this month was a guy in Help Cripping! I kid you not. 40-50 years old, dressed in Dickies, Converses and had a blue flag\bandana in his left rear pocket! I spoke with the brother, he was from somewhere in the midwest. I am from L.A. After seeing that I am done with Help. The prices the girls were asking was outrageous! One guy I met and pretty much hung out with us agreed to pay a girl $R400.00 and then she told the girl I was taking the price. She comes back to me and said, "Your friend is paying her R400.00." I told her I am only giving you $R150.00 take it or leave it. She took it, but take kind of ruined the mood.

The best value I found this trip was a new apartment agency, which is really good. The website is www.copaapartments.com. Dieine is great! I rented a very spacious 3 bedroom in Leme for $100.00 per night. She picked my buddy Doc and I up from the airport for $R50.00. Great lady in her thirties who is a nice person and good looking to boot. Even her maid who was around 50 years old had a great body. Excellent service.

Brazil Lover, please PM me information on Maceio. As much as I love Rio, I need to visit somewhere less popular. I need to find a new paradise, but I'm not going back until I can converse in Portuguese with a great deal more comfort.

I still don't have my computer, so pictures will have to wait.

RonnyRon

Member #4156
11-28-05, 01:34
Sorry Rastaman, but I have to agree with Brazil Lover on that issue.

As a black american, and from what happend with that boat bust incident in June, I decided not to populate myself in the vicinity with too many of "us" hanging around. I didn't take offense to Brazil Lover's comments, hell I felt the same way. Dring my August trip I avoided that place [Meia Pataca] like a bad habbit. I met some dudes from NC and and Detroit and they wanted to hang out there like every day. One two times and maybe passing by was enough for me.

Bravo
11-28-05, 01:51
I've read shit like this on this board before. Who the fuck do you think you are??? Muthafucka, you don't "own" Brasil. Brasil is a country of people of color -- it ain't Ireland! I think African Americans are more welcomed in Brasil than shitheads like you. Yes, pls. do avoid Brasil -- you won't be missed!

Easy, easy bro. He was just macking an observation, thats all. What he said is true, brothas do congregate at Meia Pataca. They dont "monopolize" the place, anyone can go, grab a table and enjoy the girls, all mogers are welcome (We don't "own" Meia Pataca either)

Sal Dali
11-28-05, 01:51
Brazil’s economy

The resilience of Brazil’s economy in the face of political scandal, high interest rates and the world’s strongest currency, may finally be coming to an end.

The economy grew during eight consecutive quarters to the end of June, but many economists say figures for the third quarter due out on Wednesday will show stagnation at best.

Some are more pessimistic: CSFB, for example, says the economy will shrink by a seasonally adjusted 0.5 per cent from the second quarter and that annual growth will fall to 2.5 per cent for the year, down from 4.9 per cent in 2004.

President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva insisted last week the economy remained on course to meet the government’s target of 3.4 per cent growth – hardly stratospheric, given that the world economy is likely to grow by 4.5 per cent this year, but better than the average of about 2.5 per cent over the past decade.

But officials say privately that there is little chance Mr Lula da Silva’s target will be met. One culprit is the political scandal. The government has been mired for the past six months in accusations of vote buying and use of illegal campaign finance, making consumers and investors understandably cautious.

The biggest impact is from Brazil’s very high borrowing costs and from the currency, which has gone from about R$3.50 to the US dollar when Mr Lula da Silva took office in January 2003 to about R$2.20 today. Manufacturers are feeling the pinch: in dollar terms, it now costs as much to make a lorry in Brazil as it does in Sweden, and more than in Eastern Europe.

The strength of the Real is also a threat to Brazil’s exports. These have surged over the past two years thanks to booming global demand led by China. But while the value of exports continues to rise due mostly to high commodity prices, their volume has been falling for months. This has been reflected in slumping industrial output and in unemployment, which has stopped falling.

If Wednesday’s figures are as bad as some suggest, they will have an extra twist. Antônio Palocci, finance minister and champion of the austerity that has secured Brazil’s stability and international respectability, is under increasing attack from other ministers eager to spend their way into expansion as election season approaches next year. Last week he won a showdown to emerge strengthened in his job. A slumping economy would put him back in the firing line.

Java Man
11-28-05, 02:11
Sali Dali:
unfortuneately i did not study economics. does this mean the Dollar exchange rate will improve against the Real?

Comgo
11-28-05, 02:28
Not to include the black market is now closing the spread on the exchange rate.

Places are now offering BANK rates on the DOLLLAR.
The place near MAB'S is now offereing just .03 more than BANCO REAL.

BANCO REAL was offering $R2.34 , blackmarket on COPA is offering $R2.31 on the $US DOLLAR. UNREAL



When were these rates from? I'm not seeing these rates or near them anywhere. I'm seeing 2.20 to 2.25 at black market cambios and that's with changing a lot and haggling with them. If you know a specific place with better rates than 2.25R for $1US right now, please let me know where it is. Thanks.

Zorglub
11-28-05, 03:16
Let me start by saying that Rio is not the value destination it once was. I was last there 2 years ago, same time of year. The difference this time was, well, remarkable.

Allow me to quickly run through the most notable changes.

-- Everything is more expensive. The hotels, the food, and yes, the women. The weakness of the dollar combined with the inflation has made Rio to be nearly as expensive as many western vacations. Food was outrageous, and the hotels were as well.

.

You`re right on about that.
I spent the whole month of october in Rio and was amazed of the cost compared to previous years.

But stupid dudes paying 400-500 Reais for an allnighter are only worsening things.

Liucio
11-28-05, 04:37
Its starts with U & I
walk away from vulagar prices

back in the day women used to apparoach us
but now were approaching them asking the how much

times have changes
visitors have changed and Copa has changed

We just have 2 B prepared to spend 2x what we paid 6 mos ago 4 less quality and even less time

These garoras r professions
this is what they do everyday, and they cut/reject deals everyday probably every 3 hrs.

The question is not what can u pay but
what r u willing not 2 pay

Starts with U & I

Sperto
11-28-05, 08:18
When price negotiating in or outside Help, or at Meia Pataca, there are 3 simple questions to be asked.
Ask the questions in this order:
1. "Quanto você quer?"
When she says R$ 300 you try not to laugh too much. Just give her a smile indicating that you heard something absurd.
2. "Você faz por quanto?"
Now she will smile and answer something like R$ 200-250.
3. "Você aceita R$ 100?"
Now she might act offended, but she really isn't.

Now one of three things will happen:
A. She will accept.
B. She will leave you for a other guy.
C. She will leave, but return accepting the offer (maybe trying to raise the price a little bit).

Sperto
11-28-05, 08:33
What he said is true, brothas do congregate at Meia Pataca. They dont "monopolize" the place, anyone can go, grab a table and enjoy the girls, all mogers are welcome (We don't "own" Meia Pataca either)
It's true that the majority of the gringos at Meia Pataca are Afro-Americans. That's OK. To me they all seem like very happy guys enjoying themselves. Me and my friends sometimes wondered why there are so few white Americans. They don't like brazilian bunda? :)

Exec Talent
11-28-05, 08:59
The last thing I come to Brazil to do is "hang out" with other Americans white, black, brown, red or yellow. I don't come to Brazil to "hang out" at the termas and talk badly about American women, talk badly about Brazilian women or talk about how things are done in America. I come to enjoy all the wonderful things Brazil has to offer. If I wanted to spend time with the "boys" and talk, there are plenty of places to do so in the US.

If you come to Brazil and feel you must talk, do it quietly and if someone seems like they want to be left alone and not engaged in conversation, take a hint. One time recently while I was trying to relax in the termas with my girl, some guy actually was passing out business cards. I thought I had made a wrong turn and some how ended up in a real estate seminar.

My experience has been that people who talk a lot do so because they don't have the resources to do. Strippers and escorts in the US avoid the talkers as do most of the professional girls in Rio.

Don't get me wrong, I have met some interesting guys from all over the world in Rio. Usually they have a quiet assuredness about themselves and not the need to let everyone know that they are from Obnoxiousville, USA where their 6th wife left them and the best relationship they ever had in their lives was with their pet goldfish.

BuleDaddy
11-28-05, 12:21
OK, now that I have your attention my fellow booty hounds, we must remember that we are all on a mission. All this e-Beeutch slapping has got to stop and I only see it in this Brazil section. Bruthas taught me long before most of you were born (in the Army in Vietnam) that it ain~t about getting drunk and acting like a high roller and damnfool, it is all about the booty.

The only people I see doing any REAL negotiating w/ the ladies are the broze. The only dudes that I ever chatted with in Help (before a fast moving garota latches on) that ain~t trying to come off like Jack the Lad are the broze.

Also, some the sweetest gals I have met there are the sistahz from Salvadore. These ladies are being totally neglected by gringoes of all colors, except me it seems. That is what one told me yesterday on the beach as the Italian guys were groping her white brz gfriends she sat there all by herself looking sad. She said that ALL guys are going for the fair skinned garotas. Please dont forget that it is that black blood that gave the garotas the world class bundas.

I am a fat 55 year old and I can manage to get a girl out of Help for $150R COMPLETA. They might start out at $300R but when I humor them by jokiningly telling them that I am going to lick their bunda and suck their toes (in Portugese), for example and then they hear my techno, bachata, merengue, and jungle music collection on nice headsets whilst I boink them silly they are in no hurry to leave. I usually have to kick them out with a lot of whining because I am scared of the stories that have been posted about what happens when you fall asleep. The sisters rule in the sack too, BTW.

Carlos Primeros
11-28-05, 15:19
You put it all in a nut-shell. Well done!

I am at present time in Salvador, have stayed in the city, met a wonderful girl, invited her, went up the coast to a resort with a nice golf-course, do a nine-hole in the morning and an three-hole in in the afternoon.

What else do I want for the moment? I enjoy myself immensly and I do not think that I can do the same in Africa or Asia to that extend.

When I am back I will report in more details.

Exec Talent - the guy who passed out the business-cards - was that in 4x4??? That recently happened to me with some `American Developer and Investor`

Carlos

Sal Dali
11-28-05, 15:34
First of all, I was quoting another economist's views. I failed to put in the quote and for that, my apologies. I was not intending to plagerize his writing. It was: Richard Lapper, Latin America Editor for Financial Times.

Secondly, the answer is yes.

SD




Sali Dali:
unfortuneately i did not study economics. does this mean the Dollar exchange rate will improve against the Real?

Tiradentes
11-28-05, 17:57
I heard that two american guys got into a fight in Barbarela on saturday. One guy suckered punched the other guy on his head. The victim was left on ground unconscious for 2 minutes.

I will try to get more info to share with you.

It is just sad how few apples ruin the place, and give us a bad reputation.

Member #4156
11-28-05, 18:07
First of all, I was quoting another economist's views. I failed to put in the quote and for that, my apologies. I was not intending to plagerize his writing. It was: Richard Lapper, Latin America Editor for Financial Times.

Secondly, the answer is yes.

SD
http://www.jb.com.br/extra/2005/11/28/e28113261.html

That's a good look Sal. Thanks for the heads up. I hope this continues well into my Fev. trip.

LOL! and to think Lucio predicted a R$2.11 exchange by Jan 1.

Hojo
11-28-05, 18:31
It was practically 1 girl for every 1 guy last night(Sunday). It may have even been worse.

At least the music was rockin.

pop till you drop,
hojo

Akatakyie
11-28-05, 23:46
Guys,

I am going to be visiting Rio a few days after Christmas and would like to stay in an apartment in an area where I can mingle or at least be in contact with regular chics or get a sense of the real Brazil. Where would be a good location to stay at?

Ipanema or Flamengo or what? I would really like to avoid copa, if I can.

Liucio
11-29-05, 01:56
That is still my prediction from looking at all the market indicators.
If LULA escapes scandals and evokes confidence from investors, the $R could strengthen.

I am still betting it will. Presently the rate is $R2.20, so I have .09 basis points to go in 33 more days.

I'm watching the performance of different currencies daily.
I'll check once I arrive on the ground.

I'll carry the H2O bucket 4 the forum
Enjoy

Sal Dali
11-29-05, 03:58
I don't suspect that he's wrong (I think he may be correct). However, I think that over the next year, a turn will begin in favor of the dollar worldwide.

SD



http://www.jb.com.br/extra/2005/11/28/e28113261.html

That's a good look Sal. Thanks for the heads up. I hope this continues well into my Fev. trip.

LOL! and to think Lucio predicted a R$2.11 exchange by Jan 1.

Lorenzo
11-29-05, 07:11
Buledaddy,

You are certainly not the first person trying to incite racial antagonisms on this board, and you certainly won't be the last. Maybe you should take a clue from your fellow 'brutha,' Rodney King, who said "can't we all just get along?" So I'm not even going to lend credence to your racially tinged remarks by getting into the gutter with you.

I will point out, however, that the fact that you spend time 'negotiating' at Help! speaks volumes about the level of your taste. As I have said many times on this forum, Help! is strictly for newbies. Most of the women there are skanks, as they are at Meia Pataca as well. For quality, go to the downtown termas where the brasileiros go, where you'll find both high quality 'booty' and a blessed absence of gringo mongers. So stick to your Colt 45 malt liquor, bro; I prefer to partake of champagne.

Lorenzo

Full Throttle
11-29-05, 14:55
Man, one controversy after another...

ANYONE IN TOWN FRIDAY/SATURDAY??

There are several things missing from my resume'. I've never been to VM, for example. Who wants to be the tour guide?

I've become rather intimate with L'Uomo's, but would consider shelling out the additional money for MonteCarlo or Solarium. Centauras? You're on your own, there.

Anyway, as I posted on the SP board, I'll buy the first Skol on the beach.

FT

Rio Bob
11-29-05, 16:02
Man, one controversy after another...

ANYONE IN TOWN FRIDAY/SATURDAY??

There are several things missing from my resume'. I've never been to VM, for example. Who wants to be the tour guide?

I've become rather intimate with L'Uomo's, but would consider shelling out the additional money for MonteCarlo or Solarium. Centauras? You're on your own, there.

Anyway, as I posted on the SP board, I'll buy the first Skol on the beach.

FT

I'll meet you on the beach Friday or Saturday for a beer.

Tiradentes
11-29-05, 17:25
The fight erupted between a certain Joe from San Francisco and a ‘dog’ crew from New York.

To those who don’t Joe, he is a fast-talking, young slick attractive guy who likes to party all the time. He got the money and attitude for it. He is always in Rio during the holidays.

On the other hand you got these three dogs from New York, with their disfigured bodies (short, extremely fat and few muscles). And a peanut for a brain. They probably never got laid in their lives.

On Saturday, my friend and I arrived in Barbarella at midnight. For the two hours that followed, Joe was dancing on the floor, drinking, shouting, screaming, and driving the girls crazy. But that is what Joe does.

Around 2 am, there was some pushing between Joe and one of the New York crew (for reason I don’t know why). Joe did the Correct way by backing away and moving to the other side of the dance floor.

From nowhere, this 5-5 , 300 lbs dog come from behind and punch Joe on his head. Joes was left unconscious for over 2 minutes when he was finally resuscitated.

Needless to say, the NY crew left like chicken before the situation got out of hand.

The whole incident ruined the atmosphere.

CaptainNemo
11-29-05, 18:58
Booya, Omarosa is here

Due to the America past history, Americans are extreme sensitive about race. For people from outside U.S., it is difficult to understand.

Let’s change the writing a litter

“-- The crowd has changed. Mea Pataca now is simply overwhelmed by Japanese Americans. Guys, I have absolutely no problem with Japanese, but the fact is that they completely monopolize an area because they all stay together. If there were 30 Japanese guys in Rio, all 30 of them were at MP at the same time. “

“what? People have a problem with Japanese in Brazil? How shocking!”

I heard Italians are packing in Barbarela now. They pay big bucks and totally ruin my game plan.

I saw this Germany tourist group in Centaurs. They totally took every girl I want to fuck away. I pissed.

And, what’s up with all of Chinese business people in Help? They take a corner and spent a load of money for nothing.

I think that I will be kicked out this forum after I offend so many different ethnic groups and nationalities.

Bravo
11-30-05, 01:44
Captain, some mongers just cant get used to the idea of sharing, they honestly believe that they are somehow entitled to all that the world has to offer. I have seen it on every single monger board that I have been a member of. Sometimes its so racist, that you cant do anything but laugh. I will give you an example of what I am talking about.

1) Cuba - Ever notice how some mongers will complain about the Italians over running Cuba. CUBA! We as Americans are not even supposed to be going there and yet, they have the nerve to complain about the number of Italians on the island.

2) Thailand- (This I find especially hilarious.) "Certain" mongers will have the audacity to get upset, that there are Japanese mongers in Thailand! I told one guy "Dude, you not even asian. Where do you get the balls to be upset that Japanese men are visting another asian country?!"

3) Rio - Now its finally come to Rio. Now they are upset that Black Americans are now patronising Brasil. Imagine them getting upset that a person of color is visting a country like Brasil, that is FULL of people of color!!

4) Just to show you how crazy it can be, check some of the prior posts on Rio. You will see guys actually complain about the number of Brasilians in some of the termas! Now if thats not outrageous, I dont know what is! You travel to brasil and complain about the large amount of braislians in an brasilian establishment?

Sometimes its just mindboggling. You just reach a point where you dont even try to understand the logic behind the lunacy, you just have to ignore it.

Jaimito Cartero
11-30-05, 02:19
There are several things missing from my resume'. I've never been to VM, for example. Who wants to be the tour guide?

Ah, it's not that dangerous. I'd just take a taxi in and out, and don't bring a lot of valuables with you.

Full Throttle
11-30-05, 05:17
Who said anything about danger? I just want somebody to drink a beer with and help me avoid wasting time!

Now, if YOU were there, you could drive and drink your water AND go on stage with the girls AGAIN...

How long/ how much is the ride/taxi fare from Impanema to VM?

FT

Wandering Fool
11-30-05, 07:19
There's a lot of Help bashing. On the one hand, I undstand that, on the other, I still find it a wonderful guilty pleasure. Yes, the Termas are incredible, and can't be beat for quality, but the illusion of Help is what makes it so fun.

I've made efforts in Rio to do the non-pro thing and hit the normal clubs. It takes a tremendous amount of energy, just like in the states, and in addition, there's a general bias against Americans because of general dislike of Bush and because of the rep of being mongers, plus the language barrier. I can get by a bit in Portuguese, enough to get through a dinner with some help from my pocket translator -as long as I can keep the conversation guided around the topics where I know the most words ;). But in the end unless the girl is a total knockout and wonderful person, its not worth it to me do deal with all the hassles of having a girlfriend thousands of miles away who can't get into our country very easily.

So in the end, you might end up with digits from a girl who may be cute but no better than the 3 girls in the Termas you could have f--ked every which way in the same amount of time it took to get her.

Help is like the Fantasy Island of clubs. Its like Willie Wonka's chocolate manufacturing room where EVERYTHING is edible. It looks like a club, it sounds like a club, but for that night, you can be king, you can get the girl. I'm sorry, but for all the bitching everyone does, I love that!

I have spent entire days in a Termas only to head on over to Help to cap off the evening. I love the excitement, the thrill of seeing so many working girls in one place (inside and outside) the anticipation of finding that diamond in the rough or that one girl you looked at the night before only to see another guy grab her before you -and tonight you're going to make her your own. I enjoy the mini dramas that occur, the little romances, the jealousy when you've been hanging with one girl and now you want her best friend and after everyone talks about it and cools down it becomes a threesome. I like knowing that I can take any girl home that night to be my bedside companion and laugh, screw, drink, laugh, screw, sleep, screw.....life gets a lot worse than that!

Yes, at times it can seem like a skank pit, I won't argue that, and I do tend to like the 8+ types so there can be slim pickins, but you only need 1 per night, and out of 200+ girls I can almost always find that 1.

I enjoy having a bite to eat and a drink right outside the Help around 11:45 as the girls gather and file in. The girl you only noticed in passing the other nights has really done herself up and suddenly you see what a great ass, or wonderful legs or stomach she has and your heart starts racing as you mark your target.

And now let me stir some real controversy. I prefer Help to Barbarellas! Why? Here's my top ten list:

-1. BB is way too darn dark! You can barely see the girl you're talking to. How do you even know what your getting without a flashlight (mental note, bring flashlight next time).

-2. The girls are way more stuck up and want far too much money. Even the mediocre girls at BB act like complete prima donnas. Who needs that!

-3. To me its full of mega tourists spending mega money -sitting at those tables ordering bottle after bottle of overpriced liquer while the girls egg them on (Ok, Help can be like that too but somehow because its more spread out, its not as annoying).

-4. The entrance, drink and exit fees are ridiculous.

-5. The same girls can be had at Help for less. I went with a girl out of Help one night who normally worked BB. We negotiated R250. She told me during our post sex bedroom chat that she would have charged me R400 if I had met her at BB and not negotiated because that's the norm there.

-6. Going on the -you only need 1 girl per night- theory, I can almost always find my hottie in Help who will look just as good as the hottie in BB I would have found and paid more and had to deal with more attitude.

-7. BB has this feeling like a big American strip club -come in, pay the fee, lots of staff watching you, get your required drinks, everything by the book, tension, structure, yuk.

-8. BB is in such a horrible area! I have to wipe off the slime after walking around there. Help may not be Ipanema, but at least it's near the beach and around some nicer hotels so its not a complete slimepit. Actually, if you've ever been out on the terrace at Help its very nice -the ocean view, the lights etc.

-9. I like the music better in Help and its not as loud.

-10. Help has atmosphere. I've been in hip clubs in major US cities that were no better and in some cases worse than Help. BB is a bunch of tables jammed together and an ugly stage. Help has so many little areas you can hang just on the main floor alone, not to mention the upstairs, second room, terrace and multiple bars. The variety keeps it interesting and stimulating. There's always another nook to explore for girls or to take the girl you're flirting with.

Ok, that's my ode to Help! Its not perfect, but much like an old shoe, I will miss it.

Rio Bob
11-30-05, 19:43
There's a lot of Help bashing. On the one hand, I undstand that, on the other, I still find it a wonderful guilty pleasure. Yes, the Termas are incredible, and can't be beat for quality, but the illusion of Help is what makes it so fun.

Your no wandering fool just a very wise mongerer. Actually I would like to wander with you.

I couldn't agree with you more about Help, you said it exactly as I feel about the place. The only time I didn't like Help is when it first opened it's doors and the place wasn't overrun by programmas yet.

Actually all the things that everybody here says bad about it is true but I always have a great time there.

Sperto
11-30-05, 19:53
Your no wandering fool just a very wise mongerer. Actually I would like to wander with you.

I couldn't agree with you more about Help, you said it exactly as I feel about the place. The only time I didn't like Help is when it first opened it's doors and the place wasn't overrun by programmas yet.

Actually all the things that everybody here says bad about it is true but I always have a great time there.
Rio Bob, I think you mentioned some nostalgic memories about Rio some time ago. Did you (or anybody else on the forum) ever go to Help when it first opened, and GP's were not allowed to enter? In the middle-eighties, or earlier, I guess. I think it would be nice to hear about how Help was back then.

Rio Bob
11-30-05, 20:09
Rio Bob, I think you mentioned some nostalgic memories about Rio some time ago. Did you (or anybody else on the forum) ever go to Help when it first opened, and GP's were not allowed to enter? In the middle-eighties, or earlier, I guess. I think it would be nice to hear about how Help was back then.

Yes Help opened up in the mid 80's , something like between 1982 to 1984. I was going to Rio regularly then and some friends of mine told me to check out this new disco that opened up on Ave Atlantica called Help. I went there with a buddy of mine one night, we spent an hour in there and my friend said to me "Lets get out of here there's nothing but straight chicks in this place" I agreed, we left and I never went back until 1997 when I resumed my Rio trips and was fascinated by Help's transformation.

As I said before at that time there were the boites in the Lido section including Barabrellas but it was in a different location then, the termas were going on and many Cafe's along ave atlantica were stocked with GDP's unlike today where it has boiled down to just a few.

But from what I understand even if the current building of Help is closed the owners are looking for another space, so i guess we will be going to Help II someday but I suspect that it just won't be the same.

Member #4156
11-30-05, 21:43
There's a lot of Help bashing. On the one hand, I undstand that, on the other, I still find it a wonderful guilty pleasure. Yes, the Termas are incredible, and can't be beat for quality, but the illusion of Help is what makes it so fun.


WF,

I can't do nothing but Value that.

On my 14 day trip I only been to Help 4 times and I never had a bad experience. I only went there just to flirt, mingle, get sexually harrassed, dance and have a good time. If I picked up something at the end of the night, then that was a plus for me. Even after reading the multitudes of disdain for the place I still had to check it out for myself. Besides after my daily agendas, 1:00 a.m. is still to early to go to sleep in Rio so that was all the more reason for meto enjoy a few hours of getting groped, lied to and did I mention few DFKs here and there. Always enjoyed the music and I plan on enjoying it again when I return in Feb.

Amerioca
12-01-05, 00:21
But from what I understand even if the current building of Help is closed the owners are looking for another space, so i guess we will be going to Help II someday but I suspect that it just won't be the same.

When will Help be closing?

Rio Bob
12-01-05, 00:34
When will Help be closing?

I don't know for sure but heard on this board about May, but I will be there next week and will investigate.

Sal Dali
12-01-05, 03:22
Would this be better posted on the General list? Maybe, but I never go over there.

SD


Analysts predict bad news on Brazil GDP
>By Jonathan Wheatleyi n São Paulo
>Published: November 30 2005 02:00 | Last updated: November 30 2005 02:00
>>
Economists have predicted further bad news for the embattled government of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva today when figures for Brazil's gross domestic product in the third quarter are expected to show the economy at best stagnating but probably contracting compared with the second quarter.

A contraction would follow eight consecutive quarters of growth and most economists say any downturn would be cyclical. But the slowdown - likely to be bigger than previously expected - would come at a bad time for the government, which is already dogged by a scandal over alleged vote-buying and illegal campaign finance.

Any setback would intensify calls for a relaxation of the tight fiscal and monetary policies championed by Antonio Palocci, the finance minister. His policies are credited with securing Brazil's economic stability over the past three years but have been attacked recently by ministers eager to relax public spending restraints.

Mr Palocci has been embroiled in an increasingly acrimonious and public dispute with Dilma Rousseff, the minister responsible for co-ordinating execution of government policy. He appeared to emerge strengthened on the weekend after Mr Lula da Silva called for a truce. But other ministers continued to attack his policies this week and bad news could further weaken his position.

The comparatively strong performance of the economy over the past two years has helped maintain popular support for Mr Lula da Silva in spite of public unease over the corruption scandal.

A study published this week shows that the proportion of the population living below the poverty line (those earning enough to consume 2,300 calories a day) fell to 25.1 per cent last year from 27.3 per cent in 2003.

Yet a downturn in the third quarter could erode popular support as campaigning approaches for next October's elections.

"The current slump may not exactly be a recession but it may feel a lot like one from where President Lula is sitting," notes Christian Stracke of CreditSights, a New York research firm.

The biggest impact on the economy has come from Brazil's high lending rates and from the strength of the real, which has risen from R$3.50 to the dollar when Mr Lula da Silva took office in January 2003 to about R$2.20 this week.

The strength of the real has been driven partly by the central bank's use of high interest rates to control inflation and by a surge in exports caused by strong global demand led by China. Exports are expected to reach $117bn (€99bn, £68bn) this year, producing a record trade surplus of $43bn.

But the high exchange rate is causing many exporters to lose their competitive edge. While the value of exports continues to rise, partly due to high commodity prices, their volume has been falling steadily since the first quarter.

For many manufacturers with costs or prices set by international markets, the strong real has also affected profitability at home. "The strength of the currency is causing manufacturers to delay investments," says Francisco Gros, a former head of the central bank and now president of Fosfertil, a manufacturer of fertiliser.

On Monday, Arcelor, the world's biggest steelmaker, said it had postponed plans to build a $3bn steel mill in north-eastern Brazil with Baosteel of China because of the strong real. It said the cost of building the plant in Brazil would be three times that of building it in China.

A survey by Brazil's confederation of industry found this month that the proportion of companies planning to increase investments in the year ahead had fallen from 40 per cent in October 2004 to 28.9 per cent today.

Consumer confidence is also low, although Celso Toledo, chief economist at MCM, a São Paulo consultancy, says spending may recover: "When interest rates are high but people think they will come down under stable inflation, they delay consumption, which is what they are doing now."

The question is whether the economy will recover in time to cement confidence in current policies by next year's elections. A recent central bank survey of market economists showed a consensus forecast of 3.5 per cent growth next year. But many economists expect growth of less than 3 per cent, raising the chances of a strong showing by a populist candidate for the presidency.

Double
12-01-05, 07:47
I am curious, is there something going on with the economy of Brazil that is going to affect my visits to the country?

BuleDaddy
12-02-05, 02:52
Buledaddy,

You are certainly not the first person trying to incite racial antagonisms on this board, and you certainly won't be the last. Maybe you should take a clue from your fellow 'brutha,' Rodney King, who said "can't we all just get along?" So I'm not even going to lend credence to your racially tinged remarks by getting into the gutter with you.

I will point out, however, that the fact that you spend time 'negotiating' at Help! speaks volumes about the level of your taste. As I have said many times on this forum, Help! is strictly for newbies. Most of the women there are skanks, as they are at Meia Pataca as well. For quality, go to the downtown termas where the brasileiros go, where you'll find both high quality 'booty' and a blessed absence of gringo mongers. So stick to your Colt 45 malt liquor, bro; I prefer to partake of champagne.

LorenzoWhy dat man gotstah be akkin like datt?

I get minez off the beach at Ipanema, Leblon or chat it up right off the beach at Copacabana. No booze or malt likkah, just mufkinherb and a hole-lotta self confidence.

Champagne is for mimosas over by the raibow flag in Ipanema. HAHA, just joking PAL. Chill...tranquillo.

C'mawn blood, don't be hating on me!!

Sal Dali
12-02-05, 03:27
Yes. It's good for you and maybe good for Brazil. The predicted impact is that the Real will weaken while the Dollar will strengthen. This will make their products more marketable overseas as well, since their unrealistically strong currency makes their product too costly for many markets. It's also made their gdp's (garotas dp) a little wacky with their costs too! :)

SD




I am curious, is there something going on with the economy of Brazil that is going to affect my visits to the country?

Dr Completo
12-02-05, 17:48
Wandeing Fool,

You hit the nail right on the head with your comments about Help. What other place in the world gives you the quality, availability, drama and excitement of Help? Next week will be my 4th trip to Rio since March; feels like a drug addiction - and the nights at Help are certainly a huge part of it. Barbarellas may be a favorite for some, but the GDP "Parade of Champions" up the stairs at Help between 11:30 and 12:15 is one of the most exciting daily events to witness and be a part of....at least in the monger world.

Sperto
12-03-05, 23:08
After reading Genghis Kahn's nice high roller report, in the Sao Paulo thread, I felt the need to report from a low roller evening in Rio.

The lunch was comida a quilo a quilo at Aipo & Aipim. The interior is kind of like a bistro and the food is contemporary Brazilian. I had grilled chicken, black beans, rice and calabresa linguica. Along with one can of guaraná the bill was R$ 12. This place serves some of Copacabanas best comida a quilo with a bahian twist.

After having slept for about an hour, showered and shaved I took the bus 455 Meier to Praça das Bandeiras. I felt the need to visit Vila Mimosa, VM. A nice journey in an a/c bus. I had dinner at a street stall in VM. I don't remember the name of this street stall, but I am sure I can find out if anybody is interested. I told the chef to put orégano on my grilled cheese and asked for the beer recommendation for the day. I had a great meal and two cans of Brahma. The bill was about R$ 6 - good value for the money.

After finishing my dinner I headed to "Chileno" (the owner of Casa da Chileno). He greeted me welcome back with a handshake. It was already crowded and the only table in the bar was occupied, so I were shown to the alley outside.

A lively girl with scarred face immediately latched on to me. She followed me out on the street, and introduced herself as Xuxa. She hadn't grabbed my balls yet, so it kind of caught me by surprise as this is the normal way of doing it inside VM. It turned out that several other tings were not normal this evening. I ordered a bottle of Antarctica, and in order to try to shake her off me, I asked Xuxa where the bathroom was (even though I knew quite well) to have an excuse to look around the place to see what other girls were present and not look busy with Xuxa. What she did was not surprising - she showed me to the bathroom, went inside with me and waited inside while I finished my business. When I had finished, she pulled down her skirt and showed me her butt and asked me if I liked her scarred ass. I just smiled and shook my head in delight.

When I got back to my table I tried to tell Xuxa that I was looking for someone else. I walked around the place, I bumped into Nicole. She said that it was nice to see me and that if I needed her she would sit by the bar next to the orelhão - then she gave me a full kiss on the lips. This is normal in VM.

When I got back to Casa do Chileno I asked Chileno if Priscilla (probably the best GFE I have ever had at VM) would be present today. Chileno is the person dressed in shorts and chinelas, unshaved and always with a beer bottle in his hand. He told me that Priscilla would be coming later in the evening.

After about two or three hours, Chileno came over to my table and told me that Priscilla had called and told that she wouldn't be able to come tonight anyway. Now I had to start seriously considering other girls. I noticed a petite morena sitting on the stairs outside the bar. I tried to get eye contact with her several times but was not successful as she was in an energetic conversation with another girl beside her.

I found a tall mulatta with a face bearing some similarities with Whoopi Goldberg I thought (not the same full lips and not the same distinct nose) and she introduced her to me as Maria. She was probably the best looking girl present tonight.

I chose Maria and was ready to go upstairs with her. I negotiated the bill as I know the staff and could probably get the price down. The bill presented to me turned out to be R$ 25 which wasn't bad including two condoms. Normally it would have been around R$ 27.

Inside the room Maria literally jumped me and tore my clothes off. We had very passionate sex for about twentyfive minutes (I don't remember exactly) including BBBJ and then we got interrupted by a knock on the door. The time was out, 5 minutes too early.

I decided to make a complaint to Chileno about the time.
;)

Termas Time
12-03-05, 23:43
I am still laughing my ass off!!!!!!!!!!!!! To fully get the joke, read Genghis Khan Report #2446 in the Sao Paulo forum, first. Why a guy would waste all that time and money on a garota and not report her the next day is beyond me, unless he was lazy or really doesn't care about money. Anyways, funny stuff.

Termas Time

Carlos Primeros
12-04-05, 06:47
Sal Dali - the windfall profits with the strengthening real have to be cashed in yet if some of the mongers on the board have invested in Brazilian funds. I for my part are de-investing at present time with a very nice profit margin of over 40 %. The real will drop. I was just the last 2 weeks up in Savador and when you follow all the politcal scandals and the weakening of the economy - this has a very bad effect. The Euro stood at around 2,54 and the USD at 2,18 - the real is artficially high and this is hurting the entire industry - not only the tourist industry. The prediction is that the GDP is dropping to - 2 % for the last third of this year against a normal grow of 4 - 5 %.
I am regularly in Salvador for business and I had this time the impression that everything is run-down. A lot of the restaurants at the Orla are closed, no re-investments, even my favourite hotel has not done any renovations. Nothing!
It is very obvious that Brazil is in for some bad economical times.

Carlos

Genghis Khan
12-04-05, 10:32
After reading Genghis Kahn's nice high roller report, in the Sao Paulo thread, I felt the need to report from a low roller evening in Rio.

The lunch was comida a quilo a quilo at Aipo & Aipim. The interior is kind of like a bistro and the food is contemporary Brazilian. I had grilled chicken, black beans, rice and calabresa linguica. Along with one can of guaraná the bill was R$ 12. This place serves some of Copacabanas best comida a quilo with a bahian twist.

After having slept for about an hour, showered and shaved I took the bus 455 Meier to Praça das Bandeiras. I felt the need to visit Vila Mimosa, VM. A nice journey in an a/c bus. I had dinner at a street stall in VM. I don't remember the name of this street stall, but I am sure I can find out if anybody is interested. I told the chef to put orégano on my grilled cheese and asked for the beer recommendation for the day. I had a great meal and two cans of Brahma. The bill was about R$ 6 - good value for the money.

After finishing my dinner I headed to "Chileno" (the owner of Casa da Chileno). He greeted me welcome back with a handshake. It was already crowded and the only table in the bar was occupied, so I were shown to the alley outside.

A lively girl with scarred face immediately latched on to me. She followed me out on the street, and introduced herself as Xuxa. She hadn't grabbed my balls yet, so it kind of caught me by surprise as this is the normal way of doing it inside VM. It turned out that several other tings were not normal this evening. I ordered a bottle of Antarctica, and in order to try to shake her off me, I asked Xuxa where the bathroom was (even though I knew quite well) to have an excuse to look around the place to see what other girls were present and not look busy with Xuxa. What she did was not surprising - she showed me to the bathroom, went inside with me and waited inside while I finished my business. When I had finished, she pulled down her skirt and showed me her butt and asked me if I liked her scarred ass. I just smiled and shook my head in delight.

When I got back to my table I tried to tell Xuxa that I was looking for someone else. I walked around the place, I bumped into Nicole. She said that it was nice to see me and that if I needed her she would sit by the bar next to the orelhão - then she gave me a full kiss on the lips. This is normal in VM.

When I got back to Casa do Chileno I asked Chileno if Priscilla (probably the best GFE I have ever had at VM) would be present today. Chileno is the person dressed in shorts and chinelas, unshaved and always with a beer bottle in his hand. He told me that Priscilla would be coming later in the evening.

After about two or three hours, Chileno came over to my table and told me that Priscilla had called and told that she wouldn't be able to come tonight anyway. Now I had to start seriously considering other girls. I noticed a petite morena sitting on the stairs outside the bar. I tried to get eye contact with her several times but was not successful as she was in an energetic conversation with another girl beside her.

I found a tall mulatta with a face bearing some similarities with Whoopi Goldberg I thought (not the same full lips and not the same distinct nose) and she introduced her to me as Maria. She was probably the best looking girl present tonight.

I chose Maria and was ready to go upstairs with her. I negotiated the bill as I know the staff and could probably get the price down. The bill presented to me turned out to be R$ 25 which wasn't bad including two condoms. Normally it would have been around R$ 27.

Inside the room Maria literally jumped me and tore my clothes off. We had very passionate sex for about twentyfive minutes (I don't remember exactly) including BBBJ and then we got interrupted by a knock on the door. The time was out, 5 minutes too early.

I decided to make a complaint to Chileno about the time.
;)

Very nice - I laughed my ass off about this too and I fiind it kind of amusing that you spend so much time trying to put my down.

GK

Genghis Khan
12-04-05, 10:33
I am still laughing my ass off!!!!!!!!!!!!! To fully get the joke, read Genghis Khan Report #2446 in the Sao Paulo forum, first. Why a guy would waste all that time and money on a garota and not report her the next day is beyond me, unless he was lazy or really doesn't care about money. Anyways, funny stuff.

Termas Time

I did report her - hold your horses about your conclusions until you have read what happened the next day.

GK

Euro100
12-04-05, 10:40
I agree with Funkignitor. The primary funtion of this board is for guys to report their experiences as honestly as possible. If details are given, then other guys are given the opportunity to follow in their fellow mongers footsteps. If others do not like the services a monger got for the price he paid, fine, they don't have to do the same thing or similar things.

It's all about respect. You can laugh at a guy in private when you read his posts. But if you post some non-constructive remark, you just come across as a snot-faced asshole.

Having said this, I actually have to admit that your report below was kind of a funny satire. I do not know Ghengis Khan, but perhaps he was also laughing when he read this. The bottom line of your report is that you can drink water out of the toilet bowl instead of paying for a bottle of Evian. Umm, OK, if you are happy with this. And don't get me wrong: while I don't mind shelling out big bucks once in a while, I am also a bargain hunter at heart. I have eaten many excellent meals in Rio for very little money, too. Food is not where I choose to put my money.

Neiter are rental cars, by the way. I just got back from Germany, where I had a car for two days for a total of $12. It got me to the women just as good as the $300 that I would have had to shell out for the Mercedes. Some other guy may want to put that money into a car. If this is what he wants, I am not going to laugh at him, because I got the way better deal in my mind.

Actually, since we are at it, you may want to look at the reports from the ISG board monger meeting at FKK World in Germany. They have just appeared here:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1464
There you can see what a much more civil way of dealing with each other accomplishes. Board member Routard had posted the meeting date, and 6 mongers showed up. We had not known each other before, but were glad that we came. People actually shared some somewhat embarrissing, but funny, stories with each other. They were secure in the knowledge that their fellow mongers would not post this and make fun of them. That's what a little bit of mutual respect accomplishes. Think about it!

euro

Sperto
12-04-05, 12:20
Very nice - I laughed my ass off about this too and I fiind it kind of amusing that you spend so much time trying to put my down.
GK
Genghis Khan,
The purpose of my report wasn't to put you down. I do respect your mongering, and I appreciate your well-written reports very much. I never got close to this high-end mongering in Brazil. I find it very fascinating and interesting.

My mongering is a mixture of everything from VM and short-times for R$ 10 up to termavisits and escortgirls. I do enjoy sleazy bars just as much as I enjoy sitting in a nice terma dressed in a comfy robe.

When I read your report I made a comparison to how a mongering day actually looks for me. I wanted go give a perspective of mongering in the other end. "Drinking water out of the toilet bowl instead of paying for a bottle of Evian" can be a pleasant experience.

Genghis Khan
12-04-05, 13:45
Genghis Khan,
The purpose of my report wasn't to put you down. I do respect your mongering, and I appreciate your well-written reports very much. I never got close to this high-end mongering in Brazil. I find it very fascinating and interesting.

My mongering is a mixture of everything from VM and short-times for R$ 10 up to termavisits and escortgirls. I do enjoy sleazy bars just as much as I enjoy sitting in a nice terma dressed in a comfy robe.

When I read your report I made a comparison to how a mongering day actually looks for me. I wanted go give a perspective of mongering in the other end. "Drinking water out of the toilet bowl instead of paying for a bottle of Evian" can be a pleasant experience.

Okay, sorry about being a bit defensive. As I wrote, I laughed hard when I read your report.

GK

Liucio
12-04-05, 17:41
I was in Barbarella's Friday night
News:
U will not exit the place w/o dropping under $R300-$R350.
The place was packed and I was sitting in the corner. Place was packed with great TERMA TYPE talent.

I was quoted $R300 by a short mulata and every price after that was R$350.
These girls R also requesting 2 and 3 drinks, even though they do not even drink the drinks. In left at 2:30 empty handed.

At 2am garotas were still quoting $R350.
Most of the garotas were snapped up by older EURO's (age 40's -50's ) w/ bottles of drinks on the tables.

From my standards the house waas packed with 9's & 10's.
Now I'm North and starting the real trip.

Good luck

Zorglub
12-04-05, 18:23
In my view Barbarella is a ripp-off. I went there olly two times and will never go back.

On The Go
12-04-05, 19:06
I was in Barbarella's Friday night
News:
U will not exit the place w/o dropping under $R300-$R350.
The place was packed and I was sitting in the corner. Place was packed with great TERMA TYPE talent.

I was quoted $R300 by a short mulata and every price after that was R$350.
These girls R also requesting 2 and 3 drinks, even though they do not even drink the drinks. In left at 2:30 empty handed.

At 2am garotas were still quoting $R350.
Most of the garotas were snapped up by older EURO's (age 40's -50's ) w/ bottles of drinks on the tables.

From my standards the house waas packed with 9's & 10's.
Now I'm North and starting the real trip.

Good luck

Since I posted a negative report towards you Liucio for never posting any significant information, I now would like to retract that and thank you for this most recent posting, as I am sure your information will benefit many members here who are planning there trips to Brazil.

No Parlezi
12-04-05, 20:42
I'm just returning from my 3rd trip in 2 months (glad the Delta non-stop is back) and I haven't seen one of my favorite Rio personalities. Has anybody seen Labara in a while?

Termas Time
12-04-05, 23:27
Hey Genghis Khan, I based my statement on your post below before reading your Day 5 report:

"Day 5 will not give many answers - probably more questions. At least that is what it did for me. Maybe you guys have the insight to understand more. In the end I decided that this was a one time bad experience - my first at WE and let it pass. Day 5 turned out great, which will be revealed shortly when I post it."

I interpreted "let it pass" as you did nothing. I just read your Day 5 report. While I commend you for making your complaint to W and E, after not being refunded for your bad experience, I am surprised you actually patronized that club again. I know I am simplifying the situation and if you had taken the 1/2 off discount your WE days were done. My question to you is that place really worth that much to you? First, there are obviously other avenues to find company in Sao Paulo. Second, and for the amount of money you spent (which is way beyond my budget), you should expect nothing but exceptional service. Whether you came or not, a 15 min experience is not exceptional service.

Enough from me, I hope you enjoy or enjoyed the rest of your trip.

Termas Time

Genghis Khan
12-05-05, 16:18
Hey Genghis Khan, I based my statement on your post below before reading your Day 5 report:

"Day 5 will not give many answers - probably more questions. At least that is what it did for me. Maybe you guys have the insight to understand more. In the end I decided that this was a one time bad experience - my first at WE and let it pass. Day 5 turned out great, which will be revealed shortly when I post it."

I interpreted "let it pass" as you did nothing. I just read your Day 5 report. While I commend you for making your complaint to W and E, after not being refunded for your bad experience, I am surprised you actually patronized that club again. I know I am simplifying the situation and if you had taken the 1/2 off discount your WE days were done. My question to you is that place really worth that much to you? First, there are obviously other avenues to find company in Sao Paulo. Second, and for the amount of money you spent (which is way beyond my budget), you should expect nothing but exceptional service. Whether you came or not, a 15 min experience is not exceptional service.

Enough from me, I hope you enjoy or enjoyed the rest of your trip.

Termas Time

Your conclusions make me think that you have missed the information I have tried to put between the lines but will not put out on a public forum.

GK

Sal Dali
12-05-05, 22:00
Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil's real may weaken for the third day in four after the central bank said it will sell so- called currency swap contracts as it tries to slow the real's 20 percent advance this year.

The central bank said on Dec. 2 it will offer $625 million of the contracts today, adding to $3.07 billion of the contracts the bank has sold since Nov. 18. The sale may temporarily halt the real's gains today, said Rodrigo Boulos, head of the treasury desk at Banif Investment Banking.

``The swap auction can help balance the market a bit, but what we're seeing is that these auctions haven't been enough to change the trend in the currency, which is to continue appreciating,'' Boulos said in a telephone interview.

The real, the best performer against the dollar this year, traded at 2.2095 at 6:19 a.m. in New York, compared with 2.2088 Dec 2. On Nov. 11 it reached 2.1540, its strongest since April 2001.

Brazil will auction 12,500 contracts, each worth $50,000 at maturity, today from 9 a.m. to 10 a.m. New York time, the central bank said in a statement from Brasilia.


SD

Full Throttle
12-06-05, 00:52
If I didn't let my dick think for me, I'd probably go to Gatlinburg or something for vacation. Maybe Myrtle Beach if I got a kitchen pass for golf. Anyway...

Had Friday at 2pm until mid-day Saturday with no professional or personal obligations. Went exploring with a friend/colleague who will hopefully begin contributing, here. It was his first Rio day, so I wanted to show him a bit of everything. Unfortunately, the weather just sucked, so there was no Hooker Beach. Strike one.

Meia Petaca was dead, as well. Strike two.

Then, walked down to Siguera Campos to cut over to L'Uomos. I was risking a three-peat, which is officially against my policy, but I didn't seem to care after a few beers.

Anyway, I'll have to finish this later.

Tried a new Terma, Bononia at Rua Alfredo Valadao 36. Just a block or 2 after L'Uomo's. 35R entrance, 4R beers. 20 girls, few customers, very clean, nice volume music, big TV, wet sauna, 3 hot girls, 3 doable, and 10 pleasant and 4 useless. Price was 120 or 130 for the 40 minutes, room/garota included.

Had a great time. Girls met us after closing at Help just to party. Didn't even go in, just ate pizza and drank outside. Got phone numbers. They went home around 4:30am, I picked off a girl exiting Help. Cutie. Offered 100R. She accepted. Stayed at hotel until 10. A lot of fun. Completo available, it would seem. Paid 100 plus taxi and 20 tip.



More later. Names and one number available.

Exec Talent
12-06-05, 10:25
Really don't know where you guys have been looking. The biggest problem (and it is a problem) is which awesome girl am I going to be with this morning, this afternoon, tonight. I have thought of compiling a photo phone directory, but in reality most guys who end up with ugly girls get what they deserve.

Vagetarian
12-06-05, 11:25
Most of the guys I have seen walking around Copacabana or Ipanema usually are with the same type of girl they are able to date back home. Usually a 4-6 on the 10 scale. You would think that as long as they are paying for it, they would trade up, but nooooooooo, they stick with the same old shit they get back home. You guys need to think outside the box, no pun intended.

DJ FourMoney
12-06-05, 14:53
Really don't know where you guys have been looking. The biggest problem (and it is a problem) is which awesome girl am I going to be with this morning, this afternoon, tonight. I have thought of compiling a photo phone directory, but in reality most guys who end up with ugly girls get what they deserve.

I'll take it step further....

I think there's a direct colleration between price and chica looks, period.

You pay dirt cheap rates, the best I have seen posted is basically a 6 in my book. Something I have a hard time paying for after flying 11 hours and paying for a $900 plane ticket. My gawd I hope some people standards are higher. That flys directly in the face of convensional wisdom by some people that "p***y is p***y and even if its only $30US and hour its worth bangin.

Hell no, not in my book!

I demand high quality poonani and I expect it (pro and non-pro). Even most of the Terma girls aren't that hot, there better looking women on the beach or in Help and there far more UGLY Chicas in Help.

Now maybe I'm buying too much into the European Standard for Beauty, but I don't think that's a bad guide to go by. Ask Men's 1# Most Beautiful Woman of 2005 is Brazilian (Adriana Lima) and I haven't seen any poster pull somebody that's even close to that good looking and I think she's a 9.5 at best.

Proof - http://www.askmen.com/women/models_60/74_adriana_lima.html

I mean your spending hard earned money why not go after what you couldn't pull in Sex Prison? Are some people that hard up for intercourse or scared of attractive women? I dunno about you but 10,000 miles is a long way to go to bang average and worst looking women.

Service quality is directly related to how you treat and talk to the chica. Are you engauging? Are you funny? Do you look nice? Do you smell good? These are women after all. No matter what country your in, they expect certain things from a man. I'm shocked every single day by what most men consider is passable conversion.

If you lacking in any of these areas then expect to pay more, unless that's the reason your chasing average to below standard chicas anyway.

Exec Talent
12-06-05, 16:58
I spent one night outside Help just observing who was leaving with whom. It was a very entertaining night. Mostly what I saw were guys leaving with women who either looked like them (could have been their sister) or guys leaving with women of about the same attractiveness. Pretty much what happens in the US.

The reason that successful wealthy guys land beautiful women has as much to do with confidence as it does with the money. If you don't think you deserve a 10, guess what, you are not going to get one.

Personally, I go for as much personality as I do looks. The GFEs I have had in Rio take GFE to an entirely different level, but that is for another day.

Double
12-06-05, 18:27
My experience has taught me that when I choose that lady, I come out with a much prettier woman. When I take my time I get just what I am looking for, be it a nice ass, or a pretty face. When I go to Brazil I have an image in my mind. I work to make sure that I secure that fantasy, to make the trip worth the flight.

I will admit that I have allowed my self to be choosen by a female. Example, I was sitting at my table and a young lady showed up and began dancing with the intention of drawing my attention. I gave in and said "hello", she then sat down, and we began a conversation that ended between the sheets. She was not the lady that I had in mind that night, but through speaking with her I came feel that she would do the trick.

I think that most times it has more to do with ones understanding of how the process works than it does money. Go in the club. Do not let the lady choose you. Do not leave with the any lady that you see before go around the club to see what else is inside. Any number of other ideas could be usefull. Perhaps setting a certain goal, i.e. no ladies under a 9.

Once you get in the club and get carried away in the moment sometimes you forget about the rules, and every once and a while you end up with an 8.
Practice helps you to get better at the whole mongering thing.

Money is the direct result of knowing what you want and only utilizing your time towards that end, or having someone in your life that demonstrated that kind of commitment so they were able to leave some money behind when they left. That being said, I am sure that there have been a few well off men that have left the club with ugly women.

What?

Happy bunda hunting

Big Boss Man
12-06-05, 21:18
I stayed five days in Rio at the Parthenon Aproador. It was my fourth time in Rio. I have to agree with recent commentary in the forum that Rio is not the bargain it used to be. The strength of the real against the dollar has really opened my eyes. The last two times I was there the real was 3.50 and 2.96 to the dollar. I was getting 2.20 through the ATM. The ante has surely been raised to play. Also there is a general expectation that the American will tip more. You can sense the anticipation every time there is a monetary transaction.

I only went one night to Help. It was a Friday and my previous experience was that on Friday and Saturday the part timers come out and you can have a less programmed experience. I thought I found what I was looking for when I met a young lady from Salvador that seemed new to the scene. One indication was that her hands were rough which I interpreted to mean they were no strangers to manual labor. I bought her Tequila then it was time to close the deal. First she wanted to only do a dupla with her friend. Her friend I guessed was an experienced Help garota. I said no to that proposal. Next I upped the ante to 300 reals. I had a momentary yes and then she changed her mind. Maybe if I had better language skills I could have turned the tide. Tchau baby! I ended short-time with a Help regular at 250 reals. She was ok. She did her job. When you add the 50 reals I paid extra for having a guest in my room and drinks and admission, Help did not seem like a winning proposition for me. After that I stuck to the major termas where for me I found better looking women who have great skills in the sack for a cheaper price.

I did not blaze any new ground at the termas. Centaurus was a short five-minute walk from my hotel and I had my best experiences there. Centaurus girls do try to upsell you. In fact, I was told that none of the girls liked me because I could not make up my mind after I rejected four of five of them. I think it was because I had done anal the night before and only the garotas who do anal were approaching me.

The best-looking garotas were at Luomo. The manager there who is a woman if she is the one that does the hiring has this thing for long-legged women. Luomo and Centarus are about equal in price when you consider I needed taxi for Luomo. The garotas are not as aggressive at Luomo so it may be a better deal than Centaurus.

I had some of my better experiences at Monte Carlo in the past but this time it was not as good. I went with one of the stars who probably goes with five guys a night and is fairly mechanical. However give her some credit when she is on the floor she is dancing and shaking her butt. When I came back from upstairs and was sipping a coke before I left, another garota was trying to entice me to stay. The star found another guy and went upstairs in the time it took to finish my drink. I think I would have had more fun with the second one all though she was not near the looker. Pay attention to how they treat you in the boate.

I think I will give Rio a rest for now. It is pricey and I am getting the sense that I have been there and done that.

Howman
12-06-05, 21:39
This is my first report. I have been reading this forum for most of the year and the information that is provided is first rate including non P4P. I am definately a newbie at this. The only other experience was on a previous trip to Brazil in 2003 when a friendly American explained how thing worked in Brazil and the mindset of the women who do this for a living. The women as well as the sights brought me back to Brazil for a short 9 day trip, first 3 days in Rio, 4 days in Salvador and then the final 2 days in Rio. I have traveled extensively and I find Brazil to be the most facinating place in terms of how different it is from home in Chicago. Since ISG has provided a lot of the information I used on this trip, I am sharing some information of my own.

Yes, things are more expensive in Brazil these days. This shouldn't stop you. Prices are still much lower than what you would pay just about anywhere else. Food, lodging and esp. taxi's are still affordable (make sure you ask for the meter ALWAYS). The key is getting a low airfare. Delta just started flying to Rio from Atlanta in November. $520 r/t w/ taxes and fees, I had to go back!

If you don't speak Portuguese, do yourself a favor and purchase the Plimsuer BRAZILLIAN Portuguese CD's for $15. I probably used the 100 or so Portuguese words about 10,000 times. A little Spanish also helps.

The first part of my trip, I stayed in a beautiful B & B in Santa Theresa, a fascinating area which is in the hills above Lapa. I went to Lapa several times during my last trip to Brazil and it was easily the highlight of that trip. This is THE place where Cariocas go to party. Many visitors never go there because they hear it's dangerous. Friday and Saturday are the nights to go. There are dozens of clubs including the city's best Samba clubs but the real party is out in the streets. Someone will drive up a late model Corrola w/ a subwoofer for a backseat, midgets will be walking around the crowd selling Red Bull and Johnnie Walker, and everyone is blazing up. There seems to be a tolerance for pot in Lapa. The street vendors who sell pipes and such also sell the ingredients. Be aware that if the police catch you w/ the smallest amount, you're in deep shit and Gringoes are easy targets. Most people I saw, purchased a small amount and consumed it on the spot. The area is crowded and pickpockets are abound. I got caught under the Arches de Lapa during a very heavy downpour w/ a ton of people. When the rain cleared, I noticed my travel wallet was gone w/ about $20 Reals in it and nothing else. The rest of my cash was in my money belt. As long as you stay where the people are, the worst thing that can happen is being pickpocketed. Otherwise, by all means, make sure you visit Lapa during any trip for a truly unique experience.

I also visited VM. After reading on ISG that the better looking garotas see over 20 people a day, I had no intention of hooking up. As someone who occasionally slows down to see a terrible car accident, I still had to see VM myself. By luck, I picked a great taxi driver who knew just where to go. VM is like visiting Hell's Zoo where you can fuck the animals. I was surprised how many hot garotas there were but I swear they had horns and a tail! I bought the taxi driver a couple of beers and he introduced me to his friends down there. All in all, an experience I'll never forget!

Not far from Help is a newish bar/restaurant/nightclub called The Office. This is one of the few places I found that does a great job of courting tourists as well as locals depending on what night of the week it is. I went there several times during the trip. It is also one of the few places to watch American Football. (Another is the Marriott which has to have the most expensive bar in Rio. $14 Reals for a crappy caiparinia?) I was fortunate enough to have talked to the Aussie owner, John. By now, he has opened a huge new addition that will feature Samba bands. It's a great room! He has kept prices low so locals as well as tourists will come. He says he'll allow some "quality" GDPs in but does not want to allow the place to become like Help. (Btw, rumors abound about Help's closure.) John was nice enough to introduce me to the most gourgeous woman I've ever met. I had no idea she was working! She said she is a student in the Rio suburbs and spends the weekends at The Office dancing and meeting folks just like me! The Office Rocks!

I made a few visits to Help. It's like Mr. Peabody set the Wayback machine to 1984 w/ garotas. If they were only playing Dead or Alive.... In general, I looked for a garota that was happy, smiling and appeared "up for it". A lot of the girls looked like they were just working and waiting to make eye contact w/ you. I know that what these girls make at Help is significantly more than what they would be making anywhere else at 20 years old, so there are definately some who take a lot of pride in what they do. I had one garota brag that she came to Help every night for the last 2 years!

There was no way I was going to bring a girl back to my B & B in Santa Theresa so one night I stay in the girl's apartment (a filty mistake) and another, I had the girl recommend a sex hotel. I real enjoyed the Praia Lido Hotel. For $150R I got a spotless room w/ more mirrors than a funhouse. Their website doesn't say it's a sex hotel but I guess the plastic covered matress is a give away. We had a bunch of drinks sent the room which were cheap. I totally recommend this hotel!

In each case, I spent $150R for a night w/ a girl from Help. Each asked $200R and didn't counter when I said $150R. I am not a slob and dressed nice, bought drinks, and was somewhat of a gentleman. It's not worth it for me emotionally to have a girl walk away feeling or acting like she was shorted. I can afford it. Also, each girl walked away w/ a something from the US, a bag of candy, a coffee mug, a CD, even my White Sox World Series t-shirt!

The last 2 nights of the trip, I stayed at the Luxor Copacabana, which someone recommended on this site. I verified that rooms were available earlier in the day but didn't reserve my room until I walked in later that night from Salvador. I got a significant discount vs. their website or the agent on the phone earlier in the day. This is a trick I've learned from years of traveling. The oceanfront room was great and had a gigantic shower. Perfect! Also, totally girl friendly and they even call when they leave to see if you are OK. The Luxor is first rate!

Salvador was also fantastic but in a completely different way. I'll save that for another post.

Comgo
12-07-05, 02:10
Apparently, no one has been to L'uomo lately or bothered posting that they've now raised their prices. It's 200R for 40 minutes up from 170R and now 50R or 60R for entry (I've forgotten which it is at this moment) up from 40R. I don't know which is more funny, the currency being so strong or the prices being raised so much. Marius on the seafood side is 115R now not including the 18R dessert buffet or drinks or service fee/tip. Rio is a joke now in terms of prices if you ask me. I can go to much nicer places with much better food, atmosphere, people, etc. than this third world country for less. The GDP's are no different: not very attractive, not well groomed, bad/fake attitudes, and asking for way too much as well.

Elmo
12-07-05, 05:48
Having also recently come back from another trip to Brazil, I agree with many of Big Boss Man's comments. With the Real at 2.2, my money sure did not go nearly as far as it did when the exchange rate was at 3.5 or even 2.9. Add in the price increases at thermas and GDPs also raising their rates - and this trip was a lot more expensive than past trips. I ended up trying to economize - did significantly fewer gals, but negotiated for more time and more shots on goal with each one than I have in the past. This was the first trip that I had cash flow problems -in relying on ATMs and running up against my daily withdrawal limit.

But the main thing I also noted was the "been there, done that" feeling that Big Boss Man mentioned. The garotas may have changed but the thermas and Help seemed to have remained the same and the drill was the same old drill (well, at least Centaurus added some neon lights to the bar area since the last time I was there). There was not the sense of discovery I have encountered in past trips there.

Still had a great time. And I was very pleased with the talent level I encountered - although it was more expensive than in the past.

Wandering Fool
12-07-05, 06:43
Big Boss and Elmo. Coincidentally the illusion and excitement of Rio began to wear off for me by the 4th trip (my last) which was last Feb for Carnival. I'm sure in your case the horrible exchange rate was also sobering -it was only down to 2.7 when I was there last.

I rapidly did 3 more trips after my first -each around 10 days and all within an 8 month period. The Bunda Flash totally blinded me, it was like I had discovered nirvana on earth. By the 4th trip I began to see reality and the newness and excitement wore off a bit and some of the bullshit became revealed. The "Old Hat" feeling began to creep in for me.

I've taken a break since that last trip to recharge the batteries and hopefully let things turn over a bit -different girls etc. I don't know that I will ever have get the high of that inital Bunda Flash when I was naive and it was all so new and exciting. The possiblities were limitless, the future looked bright, I saw myself living a the life of Marlon Brando in Apocolypse Now retreating from society into the jungle with a bunch of termas girls. But that's a story for another time.

Suffice to say, maybe you just need a break?

Sperto
12-07-05, 07:11
... I can go to much nicer places with much better food, atmosphere, people, etc. than this third world country for less. The GDP's are no different: not very attractive, not well groomed, bad/fake attitudes, and asking for way too much as well.
Feel free to go anywhere you like. There is no need for your complains on this forum. Brazil will be just fine without you.

Comgo
12-07-05, 07:15
Feel free to go anywhere you like. There is no need for your complains on this forum. Brazil will be just fine without you.

You're right! We should never write complaints about anything here. This forum should only be for praises! You are so wise!

Exec Talent
12-07-05, 07:21
Was at Help tonight and it was about as bad as I have seen it. Maybe 5 girls worth taking out and they did not last long. Since I wasn't interested, I have no idea about the price. The better looking girls were actually outside of Help. I did inquire and R$150-200 for everything was the going rate.

L'uomo prices have increased but if you see three girls (or the same one three times like I did) the entrance fee is 0. Doesn't seem to be as many guys (this could be preseason lull) and they don't seem to be staying as long. My girl and I had the relax room pretty much to ourselves the entire night.

Bubba Boy
12-07-05, 14:22
R60 entrance. (reduced to R50 if you take 1 girl, reduced to R30 if you do 2 girls, R0 if you do 3 girls)
R60 room 40 minutes.
R130 girl for 40 minutes.

I am leaving Rio after almost 3 months in Brasil in a couple of days, a couple of friends left last night, it is always sad to leave...........

I have been keeping notes and intend to update the bubba report (now 75 pages- was 25 or so) around Xmas, mais ou menos.

Full Throttle
12-07-05, 14:26
Nevermind. Just had to RTFB.

Exec Talent
12-07-05, 16:13
The super suite is now R$300 and the regular suite (1 hour) is R$270.

I like the extra room in the super suite and it is the only way to go if you have duplas or a festa but really dislike that it is by the main door to the cabines.

Ezinho
12-07-05, 16:15
R60 entrance. (reduced to R50 if you take 1 girl, reduced to R30 if you do 2 girls, R0 if you do 3 girls)
R60 room 40 minutes.
R130 girl for 40 minutes.

Could these new price increases possibly have anything to do with over-tipping? I remember the last time I was at L'uomo in June I actually met a guy from the States who kept 10's and 20's in his robe pocket so that he could "tip" the girls that he took to the cabine, tried to talk him out of it but he didn't want to hear it. (if you're reading this, you know who you are, tall skinny guy from NYC!) Not saying thats why, just throwing out something to think about. Even if you support tipping, an upscale terma is probably the last place where it needs to be done...

And for the guys saying they will skip Brasil and move on to other locations, I think that's a good idea, but if you do have your heart set on Brasil, I would recommend checking out some of the smaller cities in the Northeast, much better value than Rio, even with the current crappy 2.16 exchange rate. Who thinks it will hit 2.10 by the end of the month? Looking much more likely now...

Exec Talent
12-07-05, 17:34
Forgot to mention that the exchange rate at Help was 2.20. Since I got 2.25 at the local cambio and some quick checking indicated that that was the going rate, there is no reason to exchange at Help. L'uomo was 2.30. Given the poor selection at Help and the exchange rate, little reason to go unless you like the music and cigarette smoke.

Gladiator
12-07-05, 21:40
if you do have your heart set on Brasil, I would recommend checking out some of the smaller cities in the Northeast, much better value than Rio, even with the current crappy 2.16 exchange rate.

Ezinho,

By smaller cities in the NE, do you mean Fortaleza and Recife or are there any other even smaller, low profile cities that you would recommend?

Comgo
12-07-05, 21:44
ET, I posted about the joke of an exchange rate Help is now giving last week. I wanted to address something else that I've been noticing a lot on this board. A lot of people are talking about getting girls for TLN for 150R or even 200R from Help. For the people who haven't been here or haven't been here in a while, these are almost certainly not attractive girls at least not to me. I saw which girls can be pulled for that amount and I wouldn't do most of them for free unless I was drugged, drunk, and blindfolded. I actually speak Portuguese and can pass for Brazilian for moments. I bargain like it's a duty and unlike the people that can't speak this language well, I make jokes and can be witty. I'm saying these things for the people who are going to say I don't bargain well or the girls don't like me, etc. I've also confirmed that what I'm saying is right when I see a lot of the photos in the photo gallery. Don't plan on pulling any attractive girls for 150-200R for TLN nowadays.

Sperto
12-07-05, 22:13
"Been there, done that"?

Widen your horizons! It might come like a shock to some of you, but Brazil is more than Copacabana, Rio or São Paulo. A huge country with so much to discover and so many bundas to be conquered.

If Rio gets boring there are so many other options, Nordeste, Amazonas etc...
New surroundings, cheaper, different food, nicer beaches and different girls with nicer attitude.

Even though I travelled through all the Brazilian states I still feel that there are more to discover and experience in Brazil. The more off the beaten track the more fun I usually get. I never felt "been there, done that". The case would be different if I limited my playground to Copacabana. Meia Pataca, Help, Balcony and termas ain't that exciting.

Comgo
12-07-05, 22:14
"Been there, done that"?

Widen your horizons! It might come like a shock to some of you, but Brazil is more than Copacabana, Rio or São Paulo. A huge country with so much to discover and so many bundas to be conquered.

If Rio gets boring there are so many other options, Nordeste, Amazonas etc...
New surroundings, cheaper, different food, nicer beaches and different girls with nicer attitude.

Even though I travelled through all the Brazilian states I still feel that there are more to discover and experience in Brazil. The more off the beaten track the more fun I usually get. I never felt "been there, done that". The case would be different if I limited my playground to Copacabana. Meia Pataca, Help, Balcony and termas ain't that exciting.

Yes, I always like getting 10 different vaccines and malaria medicine to chase some "bundas". You like it here, great, let us have our opinion. Stop being a nazi.

Sperto
12-07-05, 22:20
Yes, I always like getting 10 different vaccines and malaria medicine to chase some "bundas". You like it here, great, let us have our opinion. Stop being a nazi.
If you pull your big head out of your ass you would understand that I only gave a suggestion of how to make your holiday nicer.

Comgo
12-07-05, 22:24
If you pull your big head out of your ass you would understand that I only gave a suggestion of how to make your holiday nicer.

Maybe if you [Deleted by Admin], you'd realize everyone knows about the middle of nowhere places in Brazil, but don't care to venture there for various reasons.

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Sal Dali
12-07-05, 22:29
Dec. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said the government will make certain the nation's currency weakens as a 22 percent gain against the dollar this year threatens export growth.

``Certainly our economic policy will ensure the real reaches a normal value,'' Lula said in a radio interview from Brasilia. ``We will work to make it reach a balanced level without any miracle.''

The president said the central bank's efforts to reverse the currency's rise through purchases of U.S. dollars have been offset by inflows of export revenue. The central bank has bought dollars almost daily since September and lowered the benchmark lending rate three times, reducing the attractiveness of returns on the nation's fixed-income assets.

The real fell 0.2 percent to 2.1805 per dollar at 10:32 a.m. New York time from 2.1755 per dollar late yesterday. The currency has climbed 64 percent gain since Lula took office on Jan. 1, 2003.

``The government has clearly identified an imbalance in the exchange rate,'' Vasarhelyi, head of currency trading at ING's Groep NV's Brazil unit, said in a telephone interview from Sao Paulo. ``It will act to avoid excesses.''

Currency to Fall

The central bank sales will likely weaken the currency to 2.25 reais per dollar by year-end, reversing a rally that would probably lead to a rate of 2 reais per dollar this year had the central bank not started intervening, Vasarhelyi said.

``The central bank's presence is there to stay,'' Vasarhelyi said. ``It's a big enough player to affect the currency in the medium run.''

Lula also said the central bank will lower interest rates at a pace that won't spark inflation and that the country must keep spending in check to reassure investors the government will keep paying its debt.

Brazil's economy will grow at a ``much stronger'' pace next year as slowing inflation will allow central bankers to bring interest rates down further, Lula said.

``It's expected that we are heading toward lower interest rates and that there will be an adjustment in the exchange rate,'' said Flavio Farah, head of treasury at WestLB AG in Sao Paulo.

Central bankers have lowered the benchmark lending rate 1.25 percentage points to 18.5 percent over the past three months in a bid to shore up economic growth.

The Brazilian economy expanded 1 percent from a year earlier in the third quarter, the slowest pace in almost two years, after interest rates that rose to a two-year high in September crimped spending by consumers and companies.

Brazil's industrial output stagnated for a second straight month in October. Output rose 0.4 percent in October from a year earlier, compared to a 5.6 percent average in the past two years, the government's statistics agency said in Rio de Janeiro today.

Exec Talent
12-07-05, 23:16
ET, I posted about the joke of an exchange rate Help is now giving last week. I wanted to address something else that I've been noticing a lot on this board. A lot of people are talking about getting girls for TLN for 150R or even 200R from Help. For the people who haven't been here or haven't been here in a while, these are almost certainly not attractive girls at least not to me. I saw which girls can be pulled for that amount and I wouldn't do most of them for free unless I was drugged, drunk, and blindfolded. I actually speak Portuguese and can pass for Brazilian for moments. I bargain like it's a duty and unlike the people that can't speak this language well, I make jokes and can be witty. I'm saying these things for the people who are going to say I don't bargain well or the girls don't like me, etc. I've also confirmed that what I'm saying is right when I see a lot of the photos in the photo gallery. Don't plan on pulling any attractive girls for 150-200R for TLN nowadays.

Sorry but I flat out do not go out with unattractive women. I am an expert negotiator when I so choose. I do not choose to be most times I go to Help and still pay between R$150 and R$250 for all night (rarely do I request a couple hours and even when I do they usually stay the night) which usually means 3:00+ PM the next afternoon. The girls who agree to R$150 I usually give $R200 anyway. Sorry but those are the facts, Jack.

Liucio
12-07-05, 23:43
I needed money today and I refused to except the 2.17 that was offered. I am here up North and I am sure there are better offers in Rio or S.P.

I was in Barbarella' s last week, almost there till closing and could not a below the offer of $R300 at 2am.
I had a drink with a guy at MAB's and he's " these bitches are crazy" referring to price. He was at the HELP tables and could not get below $R200 for what he estimates was an 8.

I predicted back in June that the exchange rate will hit 2.11 and I have 21 days left for correct prediction.

From what I have read on Brazil's economy, it looks strong and vibrant and the $R may strengthen. I think Lula and his admin. would to finish the yr w/strong economic numbers therefore he will not intervene in weakening the $R.
Don't forget that Jan 1, there will be an increase in prices through Brasil's economy. So expect to pay between 7-10% more on anything purchased on Brasilian soil.
If the US economic numbers show no progress $US(dollar) will weaken further. (US# will b released next wk, Wallstreet Journal).

Prepare to more when u step off the plane.
Prepare to pay more when you paid 4 the strap on ( Garota Banging U).

Don't forget she is now paying more for soap, bus tariff, perfume, hair extentions. So she has to pass on the cost to U.

So all you Ball'as r now getting what you wished 4. (Vegas Rates)

As far as encouraging the cats 2 come up here and ruin my shit, please don't.
Leave them packed at the help tables.

I love this atmosphere and the ambience.
As far as the garota yelling "HELP" and having the guy arrested.
I have had 2 garotas threaten 2 call the policia if I didn't pay more.
We had an agree price and the next morning she renigged on the agreement.
And refused to leave my apartment. I did not want the hassle of the policia. The girl will win all the time.

Not paying much here because I have non pay friend.

Love the weather and the ass.
Don't forget I am caring the water 4 the forum

BuleDaddy
12-08-05, 01:07
Help is a waste of time. The hoze there like to compete on how bad they can play a gringo. The Sweet Sistahz from Salvadore are the exception at Help, and they are all very sweet but camera shy.

Never pay a model or enterprising beach ho up front or the place will end up like Angeles City, PI. You will have the worst play in your life or she will watch TV. I had to send a couple of garotas on their way w/cabfare that were insistent on me committing to 1-2-3 hrs and wanting the money up front!! Always call another agency for the replacement because they will say they are sending another one but they will not. Nice things happen when two show up anyway, especially from different agencies. They will work you very good. No lesbian stuff, just lots of garota toungue, tits, soft nail scratching, sucking and boinking, almost competavely..

I have never seen such well built, cool, georgeous, hot blooded women in my life. If I had a genie in a bottle to give me any woman I wanted I could not have come up with what the Agencies sent or that I got off Ipanema, Copa, or Bobs Burgers patio. (check those ID's!!!!). WOW!!!

Comgo
12-08-05, 04:45
Sorry but I flat out do not go out with unattractive women. I am an expert negotiator when I so choose. I do not choose to be most times I go to Help and still pay between R$150 and R$250 for all night (rarely do I request a couple hours and even when I do they usually stay the night) which usually means 3:00+ PM the next afternoon. The girls who agree to R$150 I usually give $R200 anyway. Sorry but those are the facts, Jack.

Obviously, Jack, we have different taste. There are only 3-4 girls at Help on its best night that I would consider even attractive, and those girls are asking 400-500R for short time with other guys. I actually got the ones I went with for less than that, but not 150R for TLN. I know quite well what can be had at your price levels, I don't consider it attractive. If you've been to Help a lot recently like you say, we can discuss the people and prices in depth with specifics (names of girls/descriptions that are very specific about which girl that's there every night that I'm talking about) if you want.

Prosal
12-08-05, 05:47
Maybe if you pulled your little head out of your pussy, you'd realize everyone knows about the middle of nowhere places in Brazil, but don't care to venture there for various reasons.

Comgo

The day when you'll report, as Sperto did since the very beginning of this board, about Macapa, Belem, Porto Velho, Sao Luis, Manaus, Santarem, Rio Branco, Goiania, Palmas, Cuiaba, Vitoria, Belo Horizonte, ect, you'll have ALL our respect.

Till this day, why don't you take your uninspired and unadventurous fat white bread fed ass out of the Copacabana tourists spots and show us that you could also be a respected added-value contributor to this Brasil board ?

Sal Dali
12-08-05, 05:49
You're to be congratulated for correctly defining the direction of the movement towards Jan 1. You were absolutely right.

However, I'll go on record predicting that we're at the bottom now. I'm going to guess no lower than 2.15 and is more likely to close the year near 2.25. If we break 2.15, then the floor won't be 2.11, it will be 2.00. At that, Brazil will have to recognize that their currency is in severe international trouble and they will have to move aggresively to weaken the Real.

Now, that's my opinion. It is NOT a truth or something that anyone should use to SELL EVERYTHING THEY OWN THAT IS BRAZILIAN. :)

(I'm just glad that I got many thousands of reais back when I could exchange at 4:1)

SD




I predicted back in June that the exchange rate will hit 2.11 and I have 21 days left for correct prediction.

Comgo
12-08-05, 06:05
Comgo

The day when you'll report, as Sperto did since the very beginning of this board, about Macapa, Belem, Porto Velho, Sao Luis, Manaus, Santarem, Rio Branco, Goiania, Palmas, Cuiaba, Vitoria, Belo Horizonte, ect, you'll have ALL our respect.

Till this day, why don't you take your unispired and unadventurous fat white bread fed ass out of Copacabana tourists ' spots and show us, as Sperto, that you're a GREAT added-value contributor to this Brasil board ?

Pro, am I posting in those sections? Last I checked, genius, this is the Rio section and I post about Rio. I don't care about those places since I'm sure most of it would show me why this is considered a third world country even more than the uneducated people and smelly streets of Rio do. Why don't you take your needless comment to me and shove it since you're adding nothing to the board by making it. You think I need your respect, little man? "Uninspired and unadventurous fat white bread fed ass"--yeah, you know me really well, smart guy. Let me repeat for your mentally challenged self to better understand, I've posted a lot of useful, current information for the section that I'm posting in, I don't need to show YOU anything.

Starfe
12-08-05, 16:20
Someone talking about me?

Full Throttle
12-08-05, 18:33
From what I have read on Brazil's economy, it looks strong and vibrant and the $R may strengthen. I think Lula and his admin. would to finish the yr w/strong economic numbers therefore he will not intervene in weakening the $R.

Okay, I'll bet you a quarter you are wrong.

I'll bet you that the real is lower in June than it is today. How about loser pays for entrance to L'uomos (or the equivalent)?

"Real" industrial exports are down in volume, largely caused by the valuation of the currency. It's gone up against the dollar recently, but WAY up against most other currencies, including the euro and the pound. I think it's due for a correction.

How about entrance and one beer. Plus, I'll pay for the room if you take three girls.

FT

Sal Dali
12-08-05, 19:44
I'll go one step better:

I'm betting that by June, the Real will be at or very close to 2.50. I also think that Brazil will work diligently to get it stable somewhere around 2.75-2.85. A this point growth will balance with trade.

I'm not a big L'uomo fan . .. but I'd go for free admission! :)

SD




I'll bet you that the real is lower in June than it is today. How about loser pays for entrance to L'uomos (or the equivalent)?FT

Forzanat
12-08-05, 20:33
I read some report and my question is : Where are the best beaches and safe night life I can found in Brazil? Of couse where also can find a lot of good beautiful girls white or black with nice attitude. I am a Italian guy.

I am going to spend two weeks on there but I need name of places.

Thanks a lot.

Dave

Akatakyie
12-08-05, 22:37
Guys,

I am going to be visiting Rio a few days after Christmas and would like to stay in an apartment in an area where I can mingle or at least be in contact with regular chics or get a sense of the real Brazil. Where would be a good location to stay at?

Ipanema or Flamengo or what? I would really like to avoid copa, if I can.Can anyone help me?

Thanks

Liucio
12-09-05, 05:43
Sal you may be reading too many of Carlos Caminada's articles (Bloombergs Latin American Financial Analyst). Stay away from those interns predictions at the WSG (WallStrtJrunl). I worked under some of those guys and they live on luck.
First off, Brasil will use their strong currency to buy $US dollars and pay their debt demoninated in $US. (bond debt).
Lula will use the this strong $R to pay the IMF (principle & interest) debts.

Second, Mexico and Argentenia are competing with Brasil for investment. The Real is the performing currency o the table for the past 6weeks now, so there's confidence out in Brasil.
Lula will use the this strong $R to pay the IMF (principle & interest)
Having a growth brings investors, Lula has an election coming up next yr and ending this yr with a coffer on the would be great for him and his corrupt cronies.

Don't forget the in we r still awaiting the NOV US numbers (labor and growth rate). The Bush Admin is supply side admin. They want to produce trinckets and they have no record on producing jobs. His admin believes in cutting taxes 4 the top %5 of earners with the idea that they will invest and hire labor. (his record is poor on this one).

The dollar may weaken further as the end of the fiscal year because we have the Maestro retiring in Jan (GREENSPAN, my mentor).
Wallstreet may be cautious and the mrkts maybe volatile momentary, just enough to allow the $R to gain against a weak $US dollar.

FULLTHROTTLE:
I can't make predictions about June right now. I only made the prediction about Jan 1 because I got a lot vested the Jan 1 maturity date.
I d believe the $R will weaken against the $US dollar (don't know by how much).

SAL : U know I'm teasing u right. Don't get offensive on me

The real winners R the Garotas of RIO. They are probably earning ENTRY LEVEL US WAGES.
$R300 per John : 3 Johns per night ( I predict US hookers mirgrating to RIO (HELP).

BACK 2 ASS

The beaches of r covered with women. The ratio is easily 6:1 at clubs.
The high price I have heard quoted was $R180 by an 8.

I have not been hitting the bars & clubs like I should. I have a woman that I'm seeing while I'm here and she's a game spoiler but she's free. (well cheaper)

There are more taxi drivers that r willing to show u new places where garotas r housed. They see these guys from the street across the sand.

I'm with my girl at night but free in the day and there r many women to be had. Not too many drop dead 10's like COPA but many beautiful girls. Very aggressive but homely.

I found a nice piece of ass working at the Droga Drug store. Thin waist with great peach shaped ass between 20-24yrs old.

You really don't need to hit a club at night, just walk along the beach and you will find what you want.

On avg I see 3 - 6 garotas walking together at anytime with their cells in hand.

What is the deal with these wanna b Para Military trucks roaming the streets. These guys r the problem : do u need 8 guys w/AK's in a setting

Great looking EURO women visiting from college, Brasilian men love these thin EURO women.

Tomorrow will hit the buses, I admit up til now I have been enclosed in a 2km radius because I'm a lazy, beach ass watching, limp cock fuck head.
Fucking in the hot night and getting rays in the day.
What a life this could be

Will venture to some harder parts of town tomorrow.

Sal Dali
12-09-05, 06:14
So, does that mean that two of us will be getting free L'uomo entrances when our predictions come true.

I'm willing to step up behind my predictions. . . . entrance to L'uomo is on me if I'm wrong.

SD



SAL : U know I'm teasing u right. Don't get offensive on me

Matka
12-10-05, 08:51
I just came back from Rio, Foz do Iguazu, and Buzios trip of 10 days. It was my second and I do not think I will be taking another trip to Brazil in near future. Compared to last year's trip, it was a bust and a lot more expensive thanks to Real's strength and Dubya's (W) down-the-drain economic policies. I got the rates anywhere from 2.20 (Airport ATM) to 2.28 (at Foz cambio).

I stayed about 3 nights in Rio, 1 night in Foz, and 2 nights in Buzios. In all, I enjoyed Foz the most, Rio second, and Buzios none at all. I flew from SFO to Houston to Rio, went to 3rd floor at the Airport, withdrew R$600 from the ATM, took the Real bus (R$5), got dropped off at Help, walked to my apartment, slept for a while, and then walked to the beach and Help at night. Garotas are asking R$150-200 for 1 hour outside Help. Total hard-core fucked up attitude. I did not come for this flying 16 hours. So, I took few numbers from Garotas, went inside Help, enjoyed dancing etc., went to apt. alone. Was tired after long flight, so slept till 2 pm. Went to beach, ate, walked, kind of relaxed. Met another girl near my apartment, made an appointment for night date. Again walked to beach, relaxed, sat at Meia Pataca, listened to others, and enjoyed the hustle and bustle.

Almost everyone was complaining about R$ strength and garotas' inflated prices. Met a garota (calls herself Lecticia), liked her smile for some reason, and promised to see her later. Went to apartment to meet the date. No show. Pissed, went for a walk and dinner. Met two garotas insisting for Dupla. Negotiated R$100 for one hour for both. On beauty scale 5.5/10. Attitude 6/10. Overall 6. One was cold as fish. Never had such a cold fish in Brazil. I do not like the concept of Dupla anyway. Only enjoyed one girl who was enthusiastic. Fucked other girl too but did(could) not come with her. Kicked her on the side and tried the other one. She was fine, enjoyed sex and knew how to please. May be other one was on trianing. Anyway, after gozos, sent them home, told them to come next day at same time. Then, went to sleep.

Next day, walked to Sequeria Compos Metro Station, bought a dupla (R$4.50) ticket to Uraguania Station, walked to Rua Buenes Aires (2 minute walk), found 3-4 local termas. 4x4 and 502 are also here. I was there last year. This time tried some local scene. 85 and 113 Rua Buenes Aires are two locals. R$10 for 10 minutes at #85, and #113 has four floors of pussies for R$20/20 min. or R$30/30 min. Tried two floors, both loiras for R$30 each. This year's best fuck in Brasil was one of them. One of the girl wanted to come to Buzios with her friend. I was neutral on this proposition, so she sweetened the offer with BBBJ, which none of them normally do. CBJ is standard and condom costs R$1 each. Got her cell #, but decided not to call. Overall, great value for money. Screw Help garotas. Who needs the bitches, especially when you fly 16 hours to get away from US type attitude.

Anyway, hanged out at these places, walked to central mercado at the station, where they sell all kinds of stuff, bought two mp3 CDs of Pink Floyd, and dance hits for R$7 each. Each has about 150 songs. Also got some football t-shirts and tourist stuff. Took the metro back to Zona Sul. Taxi to apt. Less than R$10. Now this has turned out to be a good day so far. Walked to Ipanema beach to see the sunset. Absolutely stunning view of sunset and surfers. Nice walk. While coming back, again met Lecticia. She wanted to come to Buzios with me. Talked for a long time. Made my plan to see Foz. Also, wanted to see the countryside, so decided to take a bus. Went to apt. Dupla girls from last night showed up as promised. How could I refuse. Told the cold fish to watch TV. Banged the experienced one. Only R$50 this time for her. Instead of watching TV she was watching me and her friend, and talking to her. Told her to shut up or rim my ass. She obliged reluctently. It was great.


Next day, went to Rodoviario (Bus station), took a R$175 ticket to Foz. Normal air tickets are R$250, so not that cheap. It was a 22-hour trip, but relatively quite comfortable to me. Others may not like it. Seats are comparable to First Class international flights (turns upto 140 degrees), restroom at the back end, and all the water you can drink. Bus stops at rest areas every 3-4 hours, where you can eat, drink and refresh. I enjoyed the experience, but would not do it again. Also, I saw real country, ranches, jungles and small towns, which was important for me.

Foz was great in all respects. After talking to some Danish guys, decided to see the Argentina side first day, and Brazil side next day. Took a bus to centro, another bus to Argentina side bus station, then another AR bus to National Park. Total fucked up operation by both countries. Argentina side takes about 6-7 hours. 30 Pesos entrance fee, safari and motor boat tour to touch the falls was another Peso 80. Enjoyed the falls. Can not complain about the park. Came back to Foz centro. Since the President of AR showed up the same day, all the roads were blocked for hours. AR immigration stamped the passport both times. Brazil side did not even stop the Bus. One interesting thing--every one was made to walk on a piece of bleach soaked foam right after immigration. The bus also had to drive through a man-made pond of bleach water. They told me that these are the precautions to prevent the spread of mad cow desease.

Anyway, took a nice hotel DANY on Ave. Brasil for R$90/night for dupla room. In Brasil, if you book Dupla room, they can not stop garota coming in, since you paid for double occupancy. I have not found any exception to this rule as of yet. I confirmed with a nice looking receptionist. She said, no problem for GDP. After shower, went for a walk. It was hot as hell at 7 pm, so stayed at the outdoor cafes, and drank 12 succos in 4 hours while enjoying a local band. Met a couple of SWs on Ave. Brasil. R$50 for an hour, but all wanted to do CBJ and one fuck. I negotiated with one 19-yr old morena for some BBBJ, then CBJ and two shots. She agreed for one hour only. Took her to hotel, and enjoyed the hour. She was quite enthusiastic, made sure I came with her. I also enjoyed her company. She wanted propina for the second shot, so I gave her 22 AR pesos I had. Went outside with her, saw 4 more loiras, but felt like no bullets left after two rounds of fire. So said them good night and back to room to sleep. Overall, I saw many beauties in this town, some absolute stunners (9.5-10); I almost fell to ground. Amazing eye candy in this town, mostly blonds.
Talked to Lecticia in Rio about going to Buzios. She agreed.

In the morning, took bus to Brazil side of National Park. Ripoff ticket for R$20 for foreigners, R$6 for Brazilians. Took the tour for 3 hours. Disappointed after AR side experience. But some good views. Took bus back to hotel. Found a travel agency right outside. Took a last minute ticket for Rio for R$500. Went to airport by taxi (R$30) and got on to the flight 5 min. before departure.

Came to Rio and went to Lecticia's apt. at Copa. Then taxi to Rodoviario, and bus to Cabo Frio. Fingered her in the bus, and she had orgasm. She said this was her first in the Bus. It was good to see a woman orgasm in the bus, when she is trying not to make noise. Anyway, after Cabo Frio, took a van to Buzios. Reached there at 2 am. Found a Pousada for R$160/night after some difficulty. Then, shower and hit the bed. Now she showed the colors. No BBBJ, WTF. After some persuation, she tried for 5 seconds but not very good in action. Agreed to CBJ. Now she was enthusiastic, and I tried some more positions. After a while, we both were exhausted and came. I was tired so slept like a dog.

In the morning after cafe de manha, she wanted to call the family. The weather was fucked up. Rain and wind. Also, it was kind of cold. She told me that her son has fever at home, and she is not feeling well. I said I understand and if she wants to stay at pausada, it is ok with me. Now, she wanted to come with me. I rented a 4-wheel drive buggy (R$100 a day) and drove to centro, beaches and other tourist spots. She tagged along but she was not a happy camper. Basically, it went downhill from there and to shit pit. Now, my point was that if she is having a bad day, she should stay at pousada rather than ruin my vacation. I even offered her ticket back to Rio. But sometimes things do not work out. We had lunch at the beach at a nice outdoor restaurent. We met an Argentinian girl who was backpacking in Brazil and was robbed in Asuncion. She came to Buzios to find a friend. I bought her lunch and gave some money to her. By now Lecticia was pissed at me and accused me of flirting with this girl. We left the beach after lunch, but my rest of the vacation was ruined.

We went to stores in centro for her shopping. She wanted souveniers for all her family members and expected me to pay. I told her sorry. She did some shopping, checked internet, called her family, did other errands, and finally we came back to pausada. She was in bad mood, so I kept quiet. Then she demanded money and she wanted now. I gave her R$450 and told her that I will give the rest (R$150) at Rio. She said ok. Still I could not cheer her up. In the bed, she would only agree for CBJ and missionary fuck. By now, I have had it. I told her to get out. I threw R$50 at her. She was angry and told me she would call policia. I said go ahead. I do not know who she called on the cell, but it seemed like she was talking to policia or whoever was at the other end. Since she dialed a pre-programmed number, I do not think it was the local police. Anyway, she threw the tantrum and packed her bag. We both waited and argued. Then after 15 minutes, she came to some senses and agreed to stay. She called at the same pre-programmed number, and told "policia" not to come.

We ordered room service and ate half heartedly. It was raining hard outside. We went to bed, but no sex. Next day after breakfast, we went to other beach near centro, returned the car, had one makeup kind of sex, and took taxi to the bus station. Took the bus to Rio. She was in better mood, but I was burnt. She tried to behave nicely all the way, even tried to kiss. At Rio bus station, I just took off without talking to her. Overall, she ruined my two days in Buzios, and I did not enjoy at all after paying for all her expenses and more.

Someone has said correctly; I do not pay to hookers for coming, I pay them for leaving. This is exactly I felt. Why the fuck I have to be part of her problems? I am here on vacation paying for everything. Why should I pay and then screw my vacation. It is much better at termas, even at local ones. In fact they are better. Great fuck at good price. No shit afterwards.

I straight went to #85 Rua Buenes Aires. Tried two babes for 10 min. each. Both great. Then took a taxi to catch my flight. In the end, I'd not go back soon, because, Rio is not what it used to be and Real has made things worse. I'd probably try Argentina or Colombia next. Lesson learned.

Forzanat
12-10-05, 23:00
You can have real fuck and for how much? There are some private room inside? In few weeks I am going to be there,do you know other disco where have some fun and find nice girl?

Thanks


I just came back from Rio, Foz do Iguazu, and Buzios trip of 10 days. It was my second and I do not think I will be taking another trip to Brazil in near future. Compared to last year's trip, it was a bust and a lot more expensive thanks to Real's strength and Dubya's (W) down-the-drain economic policies. I got the rates anywhere from 2.20 (Airport ATM) to 2.28 (at Foz cambio).

I stayed about 3 nights in Rio, 1 night in Foz, and 2 nights in Buzios. In all, I enjoyed Foz the most, Rio second, and Buzios none at all. I flew from SFO to Houston to Rio, went to 3rd floor at the Airport, withdrew R$600 from the ATM, took the Real bus (R$5), got dropped off at Help, walked to my apartment, slept for a while, and then walked to the beach and Help at night. Garotas are asking R$150-200 for 1 hour outside Help. Total hard-core fucked up attitude. I did not come for this flying 16 hours. So, I took few numbers from Garotas, went inside Help, enjoyed dancing etc., went to apt. alone. Was tired after long flight, so slept till 2 pm. Went to beach, ate, walked, kind of relaxed. Met another girl near my apartment, made an appointment for night date. Again walked to beach, relaxed, sat at Meia Pataca, listened to others, and enjoyed the hustle and bustle.

Almost everyone was complaining about R$ strength and garotas' inflated prices. Met a garota (calls herself Lecticia), liked her smile for some reason, and promised to see her later. Went to apartment to meet the date. No show. Pissed, went for a walk and dinner. Met two garotas insisting for Dupla. Negotiated R$100 for one hour for both. On beauty scale 5.5/10. Attitude 6/10. Overall 6. One was cold as fish. Never had such a cold fish in Brazil. I do not like the concept of Dupla anyway. Only enjoyed one girl who was enthusiastic. Fucked other girl too but did(could) not come with her. Kicked her on the side and tried the other one. She was fine, enjoyed sex and knew how to please. May be other one was on trianing. Anyway, after gozos, sent them home, told them to come next day at same time. Then, went to sleep.

Next day, walked to Sequeria Compos Metro Station, bought a dupla (R$4.50) ticket to Uraguania Station, walked to Rua Buenes Aires (2 minute walk), found 3-4 local termas. 4x4 and 502 are also here. I was there last year. This time tried some local scene. 85 and 113 Rua Buenes Aires are two locals. R$10 for 10 minutes at #85, and #113 has four floors of pussies for R$20/20 min. or R$30/30 min. Tried two floors, both loiras for R$30 each. This year's best fuck in Brasil was one of them. One of the girl wanted to come to Buzios with her friend. I was neutral on this proposition, so she sweetened the offer with BBBJ, which none of them normally do. CBJ is standard and condom costs R$1 each. Got her cell #, but decided not to call. Overall, great value for money. Screw Help garotas. Who needs the bitches, especially when you fly 16 hours to get away from US type attitude.

Anyway, hanged out at these places, walked to central mercado at the station, where they sell all kinds of stuff, bought two mp3 CDs of Pink Floyd, and dance hits for R$7 each. Each has about 150 songs. Also got some football t-shirts and tourist stuff. Took the metro back to Zona Sul. Taxi to apt. Less than R$10. Now this has turned out to be a good day so far. Walked to Ipanema beach to see the sunset. Absolutely stunning view of sunset and surfers. Nice walk. While coming back, again met Lecticia. She wanted to come to Buzios with me. Talked for a long time. Made my plan to see Foz. Also, wanted to see the countryside, so decided to take a bus. Went to apt. Dupla girls from last night showed up as promised. How could I refuse. Told the cold fish to watch TV. Banged the experienced one. Only R$50 this time for her. Instead of watching TV she was watching me and her friend, and talking to her. Told her to shut up or rim my ass. She obliged reluctently. It was great.


Next day, went to Rodoviario (Bus station), took a R$175 ticket to Foz. Normal air tickets are R$250, so not that cheap. It was a 22-hour trip, but relatively quite comfortable to me. Others may not like it. Seats are comparable to First Class international flights (turns upto 140 degrees), restroom at the back end, and all the water you can drink. Bus stops at rest areas every 3-4 hours, where you can eat, drink and refresh. I enjoyed the experience, but would not do it again. Also, I saw real country, ranches, jungles and small towns, which was important for me.

Foz was great in all respects. After talking to some Danish guys, decided to see the Argentina side first day, and Brazil side next day. Took a bus to centro, another bus to Argentina side bus station, then another AR bus to National Park. Total fucked up operation by both countries. Argentina side takes about 6-7 hours. 30 Pesos entrance fee, safari and motor boat tour to touch the falls was another Peso 80. Enjoyed the falls. Can not complain about the park. Came back to Foz centro. Since the President of AR showed up the same day, all the roads were blocked for hours. AR immigration stamped the passport both times. Brazil side did not even stop the Bus. One interesting thing--every one was made to walk on a piece of bleach soaked foam right after immigration. The bus also had to drive through a man-made pond of bleach water. They told me that these are the precautions to prevent the spread of mad cow desease.

Anyway, took a nice hotel DANY on Ave. Brasil for R$90/night for dupla room. In Brasil, if you book Dupla room, they can not stop garota coming in, since you paid for double occupancy. I have not found any exception to this rule as of yet. I confirmed with a nice looking receptionist. She said, no problem for GDP. After shower, went for a walk. It was hot as hell at 7 pm, so stayed at the outdoor cafes, and drank 12 succos in 4 hours while enjoying a local band. Met a couple of SWs on Ave. Brasil. R$50 for an hour, but all wanted to do CBJ and one fuck. I negotiated with one 19-yr old morena for some BBBJ, then CBJ and two shots. She agreed for one hour only. Took her to hotel, and enjoyed the hour. She was quite enthusiastic, made sure I came with her. I also enjoyed her company. She wanted propina for the second shot, so I gave her 22 AR pesos I had. Went outside with her, saw 4 more loiras, but felt like no bullets left after two rounds of fire. So said them good night and back to room to sleep. Overall, I saw many beauties in this town, some absolute stunners (9.5-10); I almost fell to ground. Amazing eye candy in this town, mostly blonds.
Talked to Lecticia in Rio about going to Buzios. She agreed.

In the morning, took bus to Brazil side of National Park. Ripoff ticket for R$20 for foreigners, R$6 for Brazilians. Took the tour for 3 hours. Disappointed after AR side experience. But some good views. Took bus back to hotel. Found a travel agency right outside. Took a last minute ticket for Rio for R$500. Went to airport by taxi (R$30) and got on to the flight 5 min. before departure.

Came to Rio and went to Lecticia's apt. at Copa. Then taxi to Rodoviario, and bus to Cabo Frio. Fingered her in the bus, and she had orgasm. She said this was her first in the Bus. It was good to see a woman orgasm in the bus, when she is trying not to make noise. Anyway, after Cabo Frio, took a van to Buzios. Reached there at 2 am. Found a Pousada for R$160/night after some difficulty. Then, shower and hit the bed. Now she showed the colors. No BBBJ, WTF. After some persuation, she tried for 5 seconds but not very good in action. Agreed to CBJ. Now she was enthusiastic, and I tried some more positions. After a while, we both were exhausted and came. I was tired so slept like a dog.

In the morning after cafe de manha, she wanted to call the family. The weather was fucked up. Rain and wind. Also, it was kind of cold. She told me that her son has fever at home, and she is not feeling well. I said I understand and if she wants to stay at pausada, it is ok with me. Now, she wanted to come with me. I rented a 4-wheel drive buggy (R$100 a day) and drove to centro, beaches and other tourist spots. She tagged along but she was not a happy camper. Basically, it went downhill from there and to shit pit. Now, my point was that if she is having a bad day, she should stay at pousada rather than ruin my vacation. I even offered her ticket back to Rio. But sometimes things do not work out. We had lunch at the beach at a nice outdoor restaurent. We met an Argentinian girl who was backpacking in Brazil and was robbed in Asuncion. She came to Buzios to find a friend. I bought her lunch and gave some money to her. By now Lecticia was pissed at me and accused me of flirting with this girl. We left the beach after lunch, but my rest of the vacation was ruined.

We went to stores in centro for her shopping. She wanted souveniers for all her family members and expected me to pay. I told her sorry. She did some shopping, checked internet, called her family, did other errands, and finally we came back to pausada. She was in bad mood, so I kept quiet. Then she demanded money and she wanted now. I gave her R$450 and told her that I will give the rest (R$150) at Rio. She said ok. Still I could not cheer her up. In the bed, she would only agree for CBJ and missionary fuck. By now, I have had it. I told her to get out. I threw R$50 at her. She was angry and told me she would call policia. I said go ahead. I do not know who she called on the cell, but it seemed like she was talking to policia or whoever was at the other end. Since she dialed a pre-programmed number, I do not think it was the local police. Anyway, she threw the tantrum and packed her bag. We both waited and argued. Then after 15 minutes, she came to some senses and agreed to stay. She called at the same pre-programmed number, and told "policia" not to come.

We ordered room service and ate half heartedly. It was raining hard outside. We went to bed, but no sex. Next day after breakfast, we went to other beach near centro, returned the car, had one makeup kind of sex, and took taxi to the bus station. Took the bus to Rio. She was in better mood, but I was burnt. She tried to behave nicely all the way, even tried to kiss. At Rio bus station, I just took off without talking to her. Overall, she ruined my two days in Buzios, and I did not enjoy at all after paying for all her expenses and more.

Someone has said correctly; I do not pay to hookers for coming, I pay them for leaving. This is exactly I felt. Why the fuck I have to be part of her problems? I am here on vacation paying for everything. Why should I pay and then screw my vacation. It is much better at termas, even at local ones. In fact they are better. Great fuck at good price. No shit afterwards.

I straight went to #85 Rua Buenes Aires. Tried two babes for 10 min. each. Both great. Then took a taxi to catch my flight. In the end, I'd not go back soon, because, Rio is not what it used to be and Real has made things worse. I'd probably try Argentina or Colombia next. Lesson learned.

DJ FourMoney
12-11-05, 02:30
I just came back from Rio, Foz do Iguazu, and Buzios trip of 10 days. It was my second and I do not think I will be taking another trip to Brazil in near future. Compared to last year's trip, it was a bust and a lot more expensive thanks to Real's strength and Dubya's (W) down-the-drain economic policies. I got the rates anywhere from 2.20 (Airport ATM) to 2.28 (at Foz cambio).

I stayed about 3 nights in Rio, 1 night in Foz, and 2 nights in Buzios. In all, I enjoyed Foz the most, Rio second, and Buzios none at all. I flew from SFO to Houston to Rio, went to 3rd floor at the Airport, withdrew R$600 from the ATM, took the Real bus (R$5), got dropped off at Help, walked to my apartment, slept for a while, and then walked to the beach and Help at night. Garotas are asking R$150-200 for 1 hour outside Help. Total hard-core fucked up attitude. I did not come for this flying 16 hours. So, I took few numbers from Garotas, went inside Help, enjoyed dancing etc., went to apt. alone. Was tired after long flight, so slept till 2 pm. Went to beach, ate, walked, kind of relaxed. Met another girl near my apartment, made an appointment for night date. Again walked to beach, relaxed, sat at Meia Pataca, listened to others, and enjoyed the hustle and bustle.

Almost everyone was complaining about R$ strength and garotas' inflated prices. Met a garota (calls herself Lecticia), liked her smile for some reason, and promised to see her later. Went to apartment to meet the date. No show. Pissed, went for a walk and dinner. Met two garotas insisting for Dupla. Negotiated R$100 for one hour for both. On beauty scale 5.5/10. Attitude 6/10. Overall 6. One was cold as fish. Never had such a cold fish in Brazil. I do not like the concept of Dupla anyway. Only enjoyed one girl who was enthusiastic. Fucked other girl too but did(could) not come with her. Kicked her on the side and tried the other one. She was fine, enjoyed sex and knew how to please. May be other one was on trianing. Anyway, after gozos, sent them home, told them to come next day at same time. Then, went to sleep.

Next day, walked to Sequeria Compos Metro Station, bought a dupla (R$4.50) ticket to Uraguania Station, walked to Rua Buenes Aires (2 minute walk), found 3-4 local termas. 4x4 and 502 are also here. I was there last year. This time tried some local scene. 85 and 113 Rua Buenes Aires are two locals. R$10 for 10 minutes at #85, and #113 has four floors of pussies for R$20/20 min. or R$30/30 min. Tried two floors, both loiras for R$30 each. This year's best fuck in Brasil was one of them. One of the girl wanted to come to Buzios with her friend. I was neutral on this proposition, so she sweetened the offer with BBBJ, which none of them normally do. CBJ is standard and condom costs R$1 each. Got her cell #, but decided not to call. Overall, great value for money. Screw Help garotas. Who needs the bitches, especially when you fly 16 hours to get away from US type attitude.

Anyway, hanged out at these places, walked to central mercado at the station, where they sell all kinds of stuff, bought two mp3 CDs of Pink Floyd, and dance hits for R$7 each. Each has about 150 songs. Also got some football t-shirts and tourist stuff. Took the metro back to Zona Sul. Taxi to apt. Less than R$10. Now this has turned out to be a good day so far. Walked to Ipanema beach to see the sunset. Absolutely stunning view of sunset and surfers. Nice walk. While coming back, again met Lecticia. She wanted to come to Buzios with me. Talked for a long time. Made my plan to see Foz. Also, wanted to see the countryside, so decided to take a bus. Went to apt. Dupla girls from last night showed up as promised. How could I refuse. Told the cold fish to watch TV. Banged the experienced one. Only R$50 this time for her. Instead of watching TV she was watching me and her friend, and talking to her. Told her to shut up or rim my ass. She obliged reluctently. It was great.


Next day, went to Rodoviario (Bus station), took a R$175 ticket to Foz. Normal air tickets are R$250, so not that cheap. It was a 22-hour trip, but relatively quite comfortable to me. Others may not like it. Seats are comparable to First Class international flights (turns upto 140 degrees), restroom at the back end, and all the water you can drink. Bus stops at rest areas every 3-4 hours, where you can eat, drink and refresh. I enjoyed the experience, but would not do it again. Also, I saw real country, ranches, jungles and small towns, which was important for me.

Foz was great in all respects. After talking to some Danish guys, decided to see the Argentina side first day, and Brazil side next day. Took a bus to centro, another bus to Argentina side bus station, then another AR bus to National Park. Total fucked up operation by both countries. Argentina side takes about 6-7 hours. 30 Pesos entrance fee, safari and motor boat tour to touch the falls was another Peso 80. Enjoyed the falls. Can not complain about the park. Came back to Foz centro. Since the President of AR showed up the same day, all the roads were blocked for hours. AR immigration stamped the passport both times. Brazil side did not even stop the Bus. One interesting thing--every one was made to walk on a piece of bleach soaked foam right after immigration. The bus also had to drive through a man-made pond of bleach water. They told me that these are the precautions to prevent the spread of mad cow desease.

Anyway, took a nice hotel DANY on Ave. Brasil for R$90/night for dupla room. In Brasil, if you book Dupla room, they can not stop garota coming in, since you paid for double occupancy. I have not found any exception to this rule as of yet. I confirmed with a nice looking receptionist. She said, no problem for GDP. After shower, went for a walk. It was hot as hell at 7 pm, so stayed at the outdoor cafes, and drank 12 succos in 4 hours while enjoying a local band. Met a couple of SWs on Ave. Brasil. R$50 for an hour, but all wanted to do CBJ and one fuck. I negotiated with one 19-yr old morena for some BBBJ, then CBJ and two shots. She agreed for one hour only. Took her to hotel, and enjoyed the hour. She was quite enthusiastic, made sure I came with her. I also enjoyed her company. She wanted propina for the second shot, so I gave her 22 AR pesos I had. Went outside with her, saw 4 more loiras, but felt like no bullets left after two rounds of fire. So said them good night and back to room to sleep. Overall, I saw many beauties in this town, some absolute stunners (9.5-10); I almost fell to ground. Amazing eye candy in this town, mostly blonds.
Talked to Lecticia in Rio about going to Buzios. She agreed.

In the morning, took bus to Brazil side of National Park. Ripoff ticket for R$20 for foreigners, R$6 for Brazilians. Took the tour for 3 hours. Disappointed after AR side experience. But some good views. Took bus back to hotel. Found a travel agency right outside. Took a last minute ticket for Rio for R$500. Went to airport by taxi (R$30) and got on to the flight 5 min. before departure.

Came to Rio and went to Lecticia's apt. at Copa. Then taxi to Rodoviario, and bus to Cabo Frio. Fingered her in the bus, and she had orgasm. She said this was her first in the Bus. It was good to see a woman orgasm in the bus, when she is trying not to make noise. Anyway, after Cabo Frio, took a van to Buzios. Reached there at 2 am. Found a Pousada for R$160/night after some difficulty. Then, shower and hit the bed. Now she showed the colors. No BBBJ, WTF. After some persuation, she tried for 5 seconds but not very good in action. Agreed to CBJ. Now she was enthusiastic, and I tried some more positions. After a while, we both were exhausted and came. I was tired so slept like a dog.

In the morning after cafe de manha, she wanted to call the family. The weather was fucked up. Rain and wind. Also, it was kind of cold. She told me that her son has fever at home, and she is not feeling well. I said I understand and if she wants to stay at pausada, it is ok with me. Now, she wanted to come with me. I rented a 4-wheel drive buggy (R$100 a day) and drove to centro, beaches and other tourist spots. She tagged along but she was not a happy camper. Basically, it went downhill from there and to shit pit. Now, my point was that if she is having a bad day, she should stay at pousada rather than ruin my vacation. I even offered her ticket back to Rio. But sometimes things do not work out. We had lunch at the beach at a nice outdoor restaurent. We met an Argentinian girl who was backpacking in Brazil and was robbed in Asuncion. She came to Buzios to find a friend. I bought her lunch and gave some money to her. By now Lecticia was pissed at me and accused me of flirting with this girl. We left the beach after lunch, but my rest of the vacation was ruined.

We went to stores in centro for her shopping. She wanted souveniers for all her family members and expected me to pay. I told her sorry. She did some shopping, checked internet, called her family, did other errands, and finally we came back to pausada. She was in bad mood, so I kept quiet. Then she demanded money and she wanted now. I gave her R$450 and told her that I will give the rest (R$150) at Rio. She said ok. Still I could not cheer her up. In the bed, she would only agree for CBJ and missionary fuck. By now, I have had it. I told her to get out. I threw R$50 at her. She was angry and told me she would call policia. I said go ahead. I do not know who she called on the cell, but it seemed like she was talking to policia or whoever was at the other end. Since she dialed a pre-programmed number, I do not think it was the local police. Anyway, she threw the tantrum and packed her bag. We both waited and argued. Then after 15 minutes, she came to some senses and agreed to stay. She called at the same pre-programmed number, and told "policia" not to come.

We ordered room service and ate half heartedly. It was raining hard outside. We went to bed, but no sex. Next day after breakfast, we went to other beach near centro, returned the car, had one makeup kind of sex, and took taxi to the bus station. Took the bus to Rio. She was in better mood, but I was burnt. She tried to behave nicely all the way, even tried to kiss. At Rio bus station, I just took off without talking to her. Overall, she ruined my two days in Buzios, and I did not enjoy at all after paying for all her expenses and more.

Someone has said correctly; I do not pay to hookers for coming, I pay them for leaving. This is exactly I felt. Why the fuck I have to be part of her problems? I am here on vacation paying for everything. Why should I pay and then screw my vacation. It is much better at termas, even at local ones. In fact they are better. Great fuck at good price. No shit afterwards.

I straight went to #85 Rua Buenes Aires. Tried two babes for 10 min. each. Both great. Then took a taxi to catch my flight. In the end, I'd not go back soon, because, Rio is not what it used to be and Real has made things worse. I'd probably try Argentina or Colombia next. Lesson learned.

Great Report, only thing I could add was to send that chica packing the minute she started tripping. Its your right, you are on vaction and she's a guest. I'd would have sent her ass home and Im a nice guy at heart...

Good Luck in Argentina or Columbia

Double
12-11-05, 08:46
Rio is not what it used to be?

I am curious, have you ever taken a garota on an excursion like that before? I think that your experience with this lady has affected your opinion about your trip. It seems that while all you did was try to take care of her, all she did was [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on you.

The only reason why she went so far away from Rio was to isolate you and your money from Copa and the other many opportunites to score with other garotas. She then began to pressure you into pouring out money that she did not earn. Her call was probably to one of her friends, and the conversation went like this " he is over there looking at me, I am bored, I will call you later ", she then got off of the phone and demanded money.

I learned that these chicks will try to play you if you seem like a nice guy. While I was down the last time, a lady that I met and became quite fond of demanded that I buy her a computer. I told her that I would think about it ;-) but that we could go to the mall a see if she liked anything. She started with the calls to friends, and she started with the bad attitude so I told the cab driver to take me to my hotel. When I got to the hotel I paid the cab and went inside. No discussion, just left....She sent an email later and said that I did not care about her or her problems. She went on to tell me that she still needed my help with some money. She had the nerve to let me know that the dollar is weak against the real so she would need 1000r to help her with her bills. I told her that I do not have that kind of money. I wanted to stay civil until I left Brazil. When I got back home I told her that I never want to see her or speak to her again.

The point is that these chicks have game, and they get alot of practice in. These ladies are speaking to hundreds of men, and trying out different attitudes and stories to see which one gain the most reais. That is why I try to hang loose, and I try to avoid getting attached. To be honest, I would rather sit around a table with the fellas and bull****, and when I am ready for a lady pull one over take her to the room, and like they say pay her to get the hell out, no sleep overs, no kiss goodbye, just see ya...

I wonder if you could have got over on the chick from Argentina if you were alone?

BTW Great report,

Just my 2 cents,

Bunda Inspector D

Sperto
12-11-05, 09:53
...She had the nerve to let me know that the dollar is weak against the real so she would need 1000r to help her with her bills.
Some girls are not ashamed to ask for help with bills.

I picked up a girl on the beach. Went home and had sex, no money involved. The next day she turned up and asked for money to pay the woman who washes her clothes. "OK, R$ 10?", I thought. No, R$ 150! She got no money, but I did offer to wash her clothes myself. : )

I met a girl working in a store in Santa Clara. After work she came by my apartment. After having sex she started to pull out lots of bills, electricity, telephone etc. Must have been bills for R$ 800. Would I pay the bills for her? The girl in the neighbouring store had told her that all gringos would do a thing like this. I told her that her husband could pay the bills. In the following meetings she never mentioned any bills again.

Cachorro
12-11-05, 20:49
Guys,

I am going to be visiting Rio a few days after Christmas and would like to stay in an apartment in an area where I can mingle or at least be in contact with regular chics or get a sense of the real Brazil. Where would be a good location to stay at?

Ipanema or Flamengo or what? I would really like to avoid copa, if I can.
Ipanema and Flamengo are both good choices.

You would need to check out some other neighbourhoods in Rio to give yourself an overview of the real Brazil. The reality is different for different social classes.

Cachorro
12-11-05, 20:51
I read some report and my question is : Where are the best beaches and safe night life I can found in Brazil? Of couse where also can find a lot of good beautiful girls white or black with nice attitude. I am a Italian guy.

I am going to spend two weeks on there but I need name of places.

Thanks a lot.

Dave
For best beaches and safe nightlife I'd say Florianopolis.

But for good attitudes and a hot racial mix, you wouldn't choose to stay in the south of Brazil.

Wandering Fool
12-11-05, 23:24
I'll just chime in here in agreement with the others. Anyone reading this board is way ahead of the game just by the knowledge provided here. I can't imagine the thousands of unsuspecting mongers who hit Rio with no understanding of the game and get sucked in to every scam these girls pull on them. I'm sure the girls are used to getting over quite easily on the non-educated mongers who make up the vast majority of their prey.

As Double said, they have hundreds of encounters with us which allows them, like a virus that has mutated and evolved, to perfect their craft to their advantage. The good ones, like experienced jazz musicians, can riff off of any situation we present them and cleverly weave around us.

I'm not saying these girls aren't fun or that there aren't at times real emotions involved, but I would say most of them, by nature of the fact that they have forgone what the majority of the women are doing to earn a living(earning their money the hard way at stores and meager jobs) are ultimately mercenary and self serving at heart. They've chosen the easy buck, and by definition their nature is to play the gringo for what they can get.

I have learned to see it as a game and therefore I don't take it personally. You can be great friends with your oppononent in a game of tennis but still be out to destroy him on the court. I think the girls respect the fact that you are savvy in the same way you respect a worthy opponent on the court as long as you do not insult them and get emotional or mean in the process. And most of the time, there's not need to. What are we talking in real world dollars if you get taken? Usually less than you blow in one night in the states on a date with a non pro.

I will negotiote with complements. If she askes for R400 I say (in my own awkward Portuguese), "Is that all? Surely you are worth R600! If I was a rich man I would give you that and more, but I can only offer R200. You know, I am very fun and romantic so you will be happy tonight (or some variation)" This generally will elicite a smile and a nice break in the price. They appreciate the wise monger, the good negotiator, the worthy oppononet who knows its all a game and, of course, the complements (they are afterall women!)

Frankly, I love the process, I love the girls, all of them, for the fun, satisfaction and fullfilment of dreams they provide no matter how fleeting and ephemeral. It is always a learning process and in the end, if one gets over on me in a way I didn't see coming I appreciate the lesson, acknowledge that my opponont trumped me this time, and move on a wiser monger.

Brazil is such a cheap and fun institution of learning, and I'm happy to be a student, damn it!

Carrib
12-11-05, 23:42
I've just returned from rio and I will post a full report later as I am still traveling.

Rio Bob
12-12-05, 16:13
I just got back from Rio too. 10 days in Rio 10 nights in Help. Everynight I pulled out a real good one except once. She was so beautiful at 19 but blew it when she asked for the money up front, I told her she had to leave now and sent her back to Help.

Help does not give a premium anymore for exchange, the best is cash at a regular cambio not even those jewelry stores across from bobby's store.

Usually if I like a girl I talk to her for about 10 minutes for her to get to know me, an exchange of info about who we are and some jokes mixed in, then I ask for the number, if its not my number then i tell her that I never pay more than my number then usually they say something like because your so funny Ill do it for that price. I even had some that when I asked they threw out a number lower than mine and others hit it right on the head.

All girls stayed all night and gave a repeat performance in the morning some even gave me a double header in the morning so I got my moneys worth I didn't have to find one for the afternoon. And just for the record most girls had orgasms and they didn't have to put on this performance for me they even participated in the mechanics of it, this was for them not for me.

Yes these girls got game and they like guys who do too. If she senses that your a schmo from East Podonk NJ then shes going to treat you like one. They prefer someone experienced because they always tell me that they don't want to be a teacher. People who don't like Help usually don't have any game, the girls are too sharp for them, these girls have street smarts. They grow up very early and very fast and they are all friends with the cops as I was told that the cops are safados too.

I love leaving Help too, everyone runs up to you, selling fotos, flowers and Taxis. My normal taxi ride was about 5.5 reais, one night I asked one of the guys in front of Help how much he told me 20, I just got in another taxi and told him to put the meter on and all of them did with no problem.

Meia Pataca was booming everyday the mixture of tourists was about 40 - 50 % African Americans and the rest was everything else. I made so many new friends there mostly African Americans, everyone is there to have fun, its all good and everyone has a different taste in women most of the time we don't conflict, there are plenty to go around. For the most part I don't like the girls in Meia Pataca there not my style but I did manage to pull one from there for an afternooner 19 and nice. The same goes for the girls who hang outside of Terraco atlantico at night, most of them are the Meia Pataca crowd and the rest are all beasts. These girls hang out there because they cant pay the admission to Help because nobody will pick them so its money out the window. Some of these girls are really sad, old and trying to hustle up a buck, its really a shame to see.

The touts on the beach too in front of the Othon Palace, the first day I ask them how much everything is and then i tell them how much Im going to pay and they say ok.

Member #4156
12-12-05, 17:23
People who don't like Help usually don't have any game, the girls are too sharp for them, these girls have street smarts.

LOL Rio Bob.

Good report but I predict that someone will take offense to that.

Did you ever find out if Help is really closing or not? And what was the most/average you paid for some Help pune being that it is that everyone is saying the going rate is now R400.00?

DJ FourMoney
12-12-05, 17:36
DjFourMoney,

I notice you posting almost every day multiple times in multiple threads. In this thread you are doling out advice like an experienced monger. Did I not read in another thread that you have yet to make your first mongering vacation? You just seem to have a lot to say for a NEWB.

Should I even bother to answer this?

Rio Bob
12-12-05, 18:06
LOL Rio Bob.

Good report but I predict that someone will take offense to that.

Did you ever find out if Help is really closing or not? And what was the most/average you paid for some Help pune being that it is that everyone is saying the going rate is now R400.00?

I never paid 400 but was asked a couple of times, my range for the total trip was 150 - 300 reais. one young beauty told me 450 then I told her what I was willing to pay, she said sure but give her 10 more minutes to find a sucker to pay her price and that if she can't find him she would be back. I just moved on and found another, one night I also had a very nice young 22 year old just tell me 200 reais no negotiating and she was one of the best.

Look for the most part its about how you handle yourself with them, do you look good, do you dance with them, do you make them laugh, if they want to be with you they will for a fair price. This time around I stopped in duty free and bought some bottles of champagne, not too expensive, Spanish Frexinet. They loved it, I tell them lets go back to my place and split a bottle of Champagne, they say sure, it works great.

i think I asked everybody who works in Help if its closing and really couldn't get a straight answer because I think they are still going to court. Also this rumor has been floating around 10 years now but the feeling is that it may be getting closer.

Rio Bob
12-12-05, 22:04
One day last week I was sitting on the beach across from othon Palace, a nice morena sitting next to me noticed I speak the lingo so she wanted to chat, we chatted about her business. She works in termas Monte Carlo and hadn't been to work in 3 days because business is so slow. she was trying to hook up some business on the beach or Meia Pataca later on. She also told me that this year business is off compared to last year that people are not spending money and only offer 100 or 150 and they want anal for that too. she said she won't do it. I told her in part it is probably due to the weak dollar and things are more expensive for us and she needs to understand that.

Exec Talent
12-12-05, 22:25
At times it does seem to be slow but picking up. At L'uomo, they have the 4:00 PM girls leave at 11:30 PM instead of 12:00. I had done 5 sessions with my favorite girl and was ready for a 6th when she reminded me that she had to leave at 11:30.

I know also apartment rentals are down and there seems to be fewer Americans around.

Comgo
12-13-05, 03:53
At times it does seem to be slow but picking up. At L'uomo, they have the 4:00 PM girls leave at 11:30 PM instead of 12:00. I had done 5 sessions with my favorite girl and was ready for a 6th when she reminded me that she had to leave at 11:30.

I know also apartment rentals are down and there seems to be fewer Americans around.

5 sessions in one day? Who's your favorite girl at L'uomo?

Exec Talent
12-13-05, 05:50
5 sessions in one day? Who's your favorite girl at L'uomo?

I don't discuss which girls I see anymore. Someone who is very jealous of me and with whom I shared information told a bunch of lies to try to cause problems. I am going to share something else with him when I see him in person.

My advice to everyone here is to discuss nothing personal especially with certain well-known posters with huge egos. I wil provide more details later. Right now I have other responsibilities and she is getting impatient.

Comgo
12-13-05, 18:16
I don't discuss which girls I see anymore. Someone who is very jealous of me and with whom I shared information told a bunch of lies to try to cause problems. I am going to share something else with him when I see him in person.

My advice to everyone here is to discuss nothing personal especially with certain well-known posters with huge egos. I wil provide more details later. Right now I have other responsibilities and she is getting impatient.

Who caused you problems from this board? Why not call them out publicly? I thought if someone gives good service, we recommend them to each other, but I guess not?

Exec Talent
12-14-05, 14:16
Who caused you problems from this board? Why not call them out publicly?

I have contacted him and am giving him a chance to come clean. I can tell you this much, you will be very surprised and disappointed. I know I was. It is bad enough to be telling girls the truth about someone, but making up lies to cause problems between people. Does it get any lower?

Double
12-14-05, 19:37
Does that really exist in the ***** mongering community? I think it is more like honor amongst thieves. Do not give any info that you do not feel comfortable with someone passing on.

Some guys go to Brazil and go to the extreme in an effort to prove that they are different. They want to show the ladies that they can be trusted, so they start in with all they know about the men around them, and the sites that provide usefull info to hobyist to gain her approval. They lean in real close and whisper "be carefull not to let these guys take your pic because they may post it on the net", as if she has no idea.

They have the heart and personality of a well known super hero, "Captain Save a Ho". I saw one guy while I was down that followed this chick around all day long. He would walk around 3 or 4 steps behind her, and she would bark orders at him the whole time. It was like watching a dog trainer work; sit, stand, buy this, go away, come back, it was amazing.

So what? When it comes to the forum pass on info but only the info that you want passed on, and do not trust em if you cannot see em.

Rio Bob
12-14-05, 23:53
Does that really exist in the ***** mongering community? I think it is more like honor amongst thieves. Do not give any info that you do not feel comfortable with someone passing on.

Some guys go to Brazil and go to the extreme in an effort to prove that they are different. They want to show the ladies that they can be trusted, so they start in with all they know about the men around them, and the sites that provide usefull info to hobyist to gain her approval. They lean in real close and whisper "be carefull not to let these guys take your pic because they may post it on the net", as if she has no idea.

They have the heart and personality of a well known super hero, "Captain Save a Ho". I saw one guy while I was down that followed this chick around all day long. He would walk around 3 or 4 steps behind her, and she would bark orders at him the whole time. It was like watching a dog trainer work; sit, stand, buy this, go away, come back, it was amazing.

So what? When it comes to the forum pass on info but only the info that you want passed on, and do not trust em if you cannot see em.

Nobody likes a Captain save a ho but how about save yourself.

Some of the higher quality girls in Help have friends in dangerous places.

These cops protect them for something on the side, they also do the workers in Help and worst of all uzi carrying banditos in the favelas.

Lets suppose you post her face on the internet and it gets back to her and she knows its you. What is the worst that can happen? She won't go with you again?

NO. She can have one of her cop friends plant a little package in your pocket.

She can have one of her Help friends ban you from Help

Or worst of all she can have one of her favela friends take you for a trip to the favela and never come back.

Bravo
12-15-05, 04:13
Nobody likes a Captain save a ho but how about save yourself.

Some of the higher quality girls in Help have friends in dangerous places.

These cops protect them for something on the side, they also do the workers in Help and worst of all uzi carrying banditos in the favelas.

Lets suppose you post her face on the internet and it gets back to her and she knows its you. What is the worst that can happen? She won't go with you again?

NO. She can have one of her cop friends plant a little package in your pocket.

She can have one of her Help friends ban you from Help

Or worst of all she can have one of her favela friends take you for a trip to the favela and never come back.



If I had a dollar for evertime a garota told me she was a sister/cousin/girlfriend/wife of a big mafiso, I would never have to work again in life. Truth is, after 9 years of traveling to RIo. I have NEVER seen or heard of a single instance where a tourist was beat up/stabbed or shot by a favela hood, because some hoe ordered it.

You guys hae to stop believing that every hoe in Rio is somehow connected to the favela bigwigs. Plus, its highly unlikely that a favela hood will risk all the attention that will come his way, to take out a tourist, just because a prostitute has a problem with him.

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12-15-05, 07:38
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Full Throttle
12-15-05, 17:47
I don't discuss which girls I see anymore. Someone who is very jealous of me and with whom I shared information told a bunch of lies to try to cause problems.

This issue rears its ugly head from time to time. But, you guys all know the board would die an ugly death if this became everyone's policy.

My good buddy DH in Argentina actually posts a "who to phuck" section for every club in town. He has a great reputation with the girls. Of course, he doesn't post pics.

ESPECIALLY when it comes to L'Uomo's girls, what could possibly be the harm of promoting girls who perform well? They WANT to have a reputation like that. It's better for them if we share.

I do understand that politics sometimes makes sharing impossible, and I also understand that sometimes we have fovoritas who we just don't feel like sharing (even though they regularly share themselves). For the most part, though, if members of this board "run into" girls who provide good service, I hope sharing remains a high priority.

If anyone is using information obtained on this board to gain political favor by throwing another under the bus, SHAME on him. We should send him to the "fun with stallions" farm in Washington, or wherever that was.

FT

Liucio
12-16-05, 01:45
I also believe these pros r powerless. These couldn't order a hit if they wanted. They can't even climb out of the duldrum of prostition it they were paid. They have no more street juice than u allow them. They need to support there middle class american consumerism they have grown accustomed.

As far as HELP, those who love it good 4 them. I and others could care less if they place wash hosed (no pun intended) and a church was constructed.

SAL & FULL THROTTLE : I also made those numbers, I guess thats why I'm not in the speculating business.

Forta was good, this yr I did less (activities & women).
More beach relaxation

Next stop tomorrow night SALVADOR and its interior beaches.

I'm carrying this water, but the shits heavy.

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 02:46
The Bubba report, updated December, 2005. Intro. Part 1/12 (1 of 12).

Rio De Janeiro: Brasil

This is a report, a guide and a collection of posts, not only just mine, that I found helpful or interesting. There are many contributors on the ISG that have an in depth knowledge of Brasil, I have attempted to incorporate some of their posts, a tiny portion, but posts I have felt are poignant. Some I have included because otherwise they would get buried. In short I wanted to create a resource where a first time visitor will be able to hit the ground running in Rio De Janeiro. I have also attempted to add some info that experienced mongers may find interesting.

A Note on prices: Inflation, while not out of control like it once was (think 1000% per year), is still quite high. It is currently running at just over 10%, hence if you read this report in 12 months the prices, in the local currency, is likely to be 10% higher.

A Note on ones own judgment: I personally think Nicole Kidman is a 6/10. However she often gets voted one of the most beautiful women in the world, hence many would rate her a 9/10. What does this have to do with mongering? Well it illustrates the point that different people have very different tastes. I currently love 4x4, other people may not. I may think a tall morena (brunette) with a nice small ass is just awesome, another man may think she is ordinary. It is all very individual. That is why I qualify my statements with IMHO (In my humble opinion).


An excellent resource for general facts about Rio is here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 02:48
The Bubba report, updated December, 2005. Part 2/12 -Termas.

Termas: There are 3 major termas in Copacabana: L'uomo, Monte Carlo and Centaurus (yes I know its located in Ipanema but its on the border). Loumo and Monte will cost you approx R60 to get in, R190 for 40 minutes in a room with a girl (a total of R250). Drinks are very reasonable by western standards with most being less than R10, a beer will set you back around R5, a red bull R12, the local cocktail- Caipirinha R7. Girls drinks cost the same and there is no pressure to buy them drinks but you will want to anyway. There will be up to 40 girls at Monte and maybe a few more at L'uomo at anytime. Centaurus costs more, at least 50% more for everything, they maybe have a few more girls to choose from but nothing else really to justify the extra Reals. About a R15 cab ride south over to the beautiful Jardin Botanica (Botanical Gardens) area will see you at Solarium, which is virtually identical in price and atmosphere to the other termas. It is slightly smaller though, but worth the trip if just to see the Lagoa (lagoon) and Statue of Christ in the distance at night, Spectacular!

There is also a heap of Termas in the centro (city about 8kms or 5miles north) area. Quatro por Quatro (4 x 4) is the biggest Terma in Rio and has 100+ girls at peak time, a sight to see. Centro Termas are about 30% cheaper than Loumo and Monte carlo, with the exception of Terma 65, which is now the same as L'uomo etc.

A Terma works like this: You get greeted by a receptionist at the entrance, they will speak English at the places mentioned above, some in Centro may not speak as much but you will get by. She will give you a key to a locker. You go in to the locker room and put everything in there and change into a robe and flip flops provided. I have only heard of 1 thing ever being stolen out of the lockers, for the most part they are quite safe. You can have a shower and sauna etc at anytime, genuine non sexual massages are also available, but I have found them to be pretty average compared to what one would expect in the middle east. They also have various razors, toothbrushes etc that you can use to make you look and smell your best, this of course being a relative term!

When you want to interact with the girls you make you way up to the Boite (Pron:Boi chi-) which is the bar. They will be hanging around the bar looking to interact with you. Be prepared for the bars to be quite small and cramped in a Rio Terma. The girls do not get paid to just hang around, they only earn Reals when they take you to the room (cabine). There will be music playing and it is just like a normal bar although you are wearing a robe. If you wish to order a drink, and you will, the locker key number is like you credit card, you will be asked to show it and your bar tab will be credited towards it. No money changes hands when you are inside the Terma ,you settle the bill at the end (unless you go to Centaurus where they want everything upfront). Do not loose your locker key! The portion of the bill that is for the girls has to be paid in cash!

Once you spot a cutey, just basically look in her direction and she will be on you, they look to engage in eye contact, if this does not work use a hand signal, don’t worry once she knows you are interested she will be more than keen to sit next to you. You can play around with her for a while, there are generally 2 or 3 times as many girls as there are guys, although in peak times this may be reduced to 1:1, so generally you have time on your side. You will be treated like "a King", one can punch well above ones weight division in Rio. She will laugh at your jokes, stroke your ego and maybe you inner thigh, and probably grab your dick and put her tongue down your throat within the Boite. They are not shy inside the Terma. After 30 minutes or so of fooling around you will probably be ready to "rumble". During this time you should have asked her if she is prepared to do whatever kinky deviate act you desire. I will always kiss a girl before going to the cabine. This is important because if she does not use tongue it may indicate she has a boyfriend etc and will not be overly passionate. I also always ask if she is going to provide BBBJ, virtually every Terma girl will, if she says she doesn't, you might want to ditch her and grab another because it is not a good sign that she wants to please you. Also a good time to ask if she does anal. Rio is probably one of the best areas in the world to find greek. Maybe 50% of Terma girls will provide it at no extra cost, straight up, 75% will do it once you get to know them, and overcome them with your charm ;-). She will often agree to do anal as a deal clincher, to get you into the room. If you are smart you can leverage this. A lot of girls will also do CIM, think 75% once you get to know them. This is all part of the screening process and will cut your chances on getting a dud. See the screening ditching process below.

Once you have decided she is one you want to get to know better, decide on how long you want to spend in the cabine (room) and give her your locker key and she will take it with her to get prepared. 40 Minutes is the standard and I won’t go longer unless it is a girl I know, not much point getting stuck with a dud for a longer time, although duds are not overly common. She will come back in about 5 minutes wearing lingerie or some other bedroom attire and whisk you away to one of the rooms, where you will do your best impression of a porn star and she will generally fuck like only a Rio girl can, and believe me THEY CAN! In really busy times, you may have to wait for a cabine to become available, this will give you another few minutes to fool around with the girl in the Boite before sexo. I never mind the wait, after all I am on holiday and it is not as if I have to rush to a business meeting, waiting in the Boite, hanging with your friends and drinking is actually half the fun, some would say it is more than half.

After you interlude you can go back to the boite and grab another one or just hang out (thankyou lord for Vitamin V & C), it is not unusual to have the girl you have just fucked come back and chat to you, she wants the repeat business. It is not unusual to spend 3 or 4 hours at a terma just drinking and chatting with girls or fellow deviates. In any night a busy girl will only see 2 or 3 clients maximum over an 8 hour period, unless it is Carnaval or another busy time, hence there is a lot of down time built into the equation for fooling around. Less busy girls will only do 1 a day, if they are lucky. These girls work 6 days a week and it is part of their social life, hence fooling around is fun for them to. Most fellow mongers are quite friendly within a Terma, I have had many a good conversation over a few beers, just remember if you speak to a fellow monger try to keep who you nailed at other Termas quiet in front of the other girls, they are severe gossipers. If a girl asks you where your fellow monger has been over the last few days, the correct answer is I DO NOT KNOW.

One thing to note if you intend to see the same girl more than once be prepared for her to consider you her boyfriend. You don't believe me? Just wait! She will often be way more intimate during subsequent encounters, perhaps doing things she doesn't normally do with one time punters. I have often had new comers give me their virgin ass or try CIM for the very first time, you can tell these things. However the downside to this is she will be jealous as hell if you dare look at another girl within the terma. She will also ask where you have been when you are not there etc. I kid you not , these latin girls are very passionate. Some have a definite "Fatal attraction bunny boiler - stalker complex". You don't believe me? Just wait!

You cannot officially take a girl out of a terma, but you can do deals with her to see you after the Terma closes or before it opens. Be discreet when hooking up with them, they can officially get sacked for seeing clients although I have only heard of this being enforced a couple of times and I think it was due to Politics rather than the actual act itself. I have had many a girl hangout with me for gratis after or before work, but then I had seen these girls a few times in the Terma and intended to see them again within the Terma and of course there has been some kind of connection there. They also like going out with Gringos because we can actually afford to take them to places the local guys cannot afford, and I don’t mean ultra expensive places, just normal restaurants and entertainment (a young local guy will only earn US$1500 per year if he even has a job, which is difficult to live on and leaves nothing for entertaining dates). The girl will only agree to see you after work if she feels comfortable with you, this will be based on your past behaviour within the Terma and the amigos you associate with. If you can get her to agree to take the day off from work she will be fined at least R100 (up to R500 at some Termas on some days) from the Terma so you will have to build this into the equation if you are negotiating on purely price basis, which could be up to R150-R400+ her fine (think R200 as a good number). To work in a Terma, a girl has to agree to work 5 or 6 shifts in the week so you may get her to play with you on a night off, surprisingly I have found they are almost always available to full around on their day off. Some of course, the minority never see any clients out of the Terma, however this is the minority. Generally speaking Terma girls are a lot more stable than girls you will meet at Help etc, this will mean they are much less likely to take shit out of your room or generally cause problems. Never drop your guard though. I always lock my passport etc in the safe, and lock what won’t fit in there in a suit case (she won’t be able to carry the whole case out of the joint without someone noticing). Yes it is true that she could cut the lock but generally most thefts I have heard of have been ones of opportunity, cameras and phones left on tables are most likely to disappear.

In general I love the Termas, they are my favourite part of Rio. The girls tend to be better sexual performers in a Terma than any other venue, perhaps in the world.

The screening process: It is very important to get a good feeling with a girl. I always ask the following questions and listen to the response. I ask the questions with a smile and try to make her laugh a bit, if she thinks you are fun she will usually reciprocate.

My questions:
1) Are you good in bed? She will of course say she is the best. This is the ice breaker, a chance for her to relax and loosen up.
2) Why are you the best? What do you do? This is a more serious question, hopefully she will offer up exactly what she will be like in the sack. I will let her answer a bit, and if she doesn't offer up what I want to hear I will then directly ask.
3) Do you do everything? Again I will let her speak and watch very carefully for the response. If she says she does do anal, I will then ask if she likes it and carefully watch for her answer, if she says she really likes it and smiles, well then I am thinking you are going to have a good time.

The above 3 questions will give her a chance to tell you what she likes and what she doesn't like. Usually the above the questions are enough to get her to say whether she does anal or not, without you having to explicitly ask. If she hasn't offered whether she does it or not then I will then explicitly ask. The way she answers is more important than what she actually says. If she says "I do anal but it depends on how big your are", well that is a red flag, more than likely she doesn't want to do it. Again if you have a fetish for CIM and she says "I will let you do it if you only have a very clean dick", again a red flag, good chance she is going to turn her head away during the money shot. On the other hand if she says "I will do everything you want, baby" and says it with a smile, then sticks her tongue down your throat, then that is a very positive thing and you are probably in for some serious fun. I look for the positive responses said with fun and a big smile, personality goes a long way.

I will also look for negative signs, including;
~If the first thing a girl asks is "buy me a drink" I will be immediately on the defensive, if she is anything less than smoking hot she will be dumped immediately. Yeah I want to buy a girl a drink, but only after a few questions and only after I have decided there is a good chance I am going to take her to the cabine.
~If when offered a drink, the girl tries to order the most fucking expensive thing on the menu, then that is a huge negative thing. I will always ask "what would you like to drink", I will order for her. Doing this shows you are not an easy target. Red Bull and a mixed drink together from a girl I have just met, R20 - which is what a local guy earns in a day, is taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). On the other hand my current "Brasilian girlfriend", ordered just that when we met, I was with a buddy and he was with her friend, what saved her was the following - she says "I know red bulls and vodka are expensive, but if you buy one red bull, we can order 2 vodkas separately (between the 2 girls) and that will be a little cheaper". I don't mind buying an "expensive drink" for a girl, I just don't like the idea of being taken for a mug. There were also a few other positive things which led us to relax a little, we knew we were going to have a good time with those 2, sometimes everything just clicks and it did!
~No kissing with tongue before going to the cabine: Just before I go to the cabine I will make sure she kisses passionately, I don't particularly want to kiss a girl with tongue in the main boite, but I do want to know if she is passionate. If she does not use tongue it is a sign she is not going to be passionate, big enough negative to ditch her in some cases.
~Additionally: I always make sure you get a good look at the girl, sometimes lighting can be a bit ordinary, sometimes a girl looks completely different when sitting down, particularly in Brasil when you really need to look at the complete package while standing. Another friend of mine was sitting with a girl, and she did look cute, when he decided to take her to the room she gets up and says "so, you like a girl with a big ass do you", to his horror he looked down and saw a massive Bunda (ass). This catch phrase has become part of our vocabulary, as in when a friend says "what do you think of this babe?" to which you reply, "so, you like a girl with a big ass?" IE her ass is a bit on the heavy side.

The ditching process: Some first timers can get trapped by an overly aggressive girl. I always find these girls are the worst in bed. The most popular girls tend to not approach you, they don't have to. A lot of western guys are sometimes too polite to get rid of the overly aggressive girl. Remember you are a paying customer, you are there for the purpose of banging the girl you want to bang, hence be polite but firm in the ditching process. If you get trapped, try the following.

~Get up and go to the bathroom, when you come back stand at the bar for a while. If she comes back and tries to grab you again, just say I want to relax a bit or keep moving, a moving target his hard to hit, move around.
~Of course it is more difficult if you have already groped her, hence I try to be a little distant until I know there is going to be a good chance of going upstairs.

****Zona Sul Termas.****

Zona Zul is “the south zone”, an area anywhere south of Central and is where you will stay for your first visit to Rio. It includes Ipanema - Leblom, Copacabana - Leme.

***L'uomo***

: Rua Siqueira Campos, 143. Copacabana. http://www.luomo.com.br/ Open 7days from 4pm until 1am-ish. (up to 60 girls). Gets busy from the get go. Closes at midnight-ish on Saturday and Sunday (last bang is 11pm-ish).
Prices:
R60, Entrance (reduced to R50 if you take a girl, reduced to R30 if you do 2 sessions, nil for 3 girls).
R60, Room hire 40 minutes
R130, girl for 40 Minutes
R240 in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

I always make this my first stop on any trip to Rio. If my plane arrives after 4pm, I just throw my bags down in my Hotel Room and start the walk to Rua S Campos, with anticipation, I travel the escalator up to the second floor, round the corner, and I am usually warmly greeted by the doorman. I just can’t wait to greet old friends, and see who are going to be my new friends. Had my first girl here in Rio, who is sadly married now, she was just great and I wish her all the best.

L'uomo is by far the friendliest Terma in town. You very rarely have duds here and quite often you can arrive at 5pm and stumble out at midnight wondering where the time went. You can also buy the music that plays there, great souvenir to remember the place by, just see the DJ or get a girl to ask him for you. Cost R30.

Directions to L'uomo:
L'uomo, can be a little hard to find because it is tucked away in a shopping mall (for antiques). If you are walking up Rua Siqueira Campos from the beach (against traffic - it is a one way street), after 4 blocks (just over Tonelero) you will see a fork in the road, follow it around to the left. You will see the Metro station entrance on the left and then next to that a large building which contains L'oumo. Before entering the mall hang back on the street and look up to the second floor, half way along, you may have to do this from the other side of the street, but it is worth it to get your bearings. You will see the neon sign welcoming you. Then simply enter the shopping centre, find the nearest escalator and you will find it. One thing to note if you get a cab there, the driver will get a R20 commission for taking you there. I find all cab drivers/commissions distasteful and hence simply ask to get dropped at the Metro station next door and don't mention where I am going. Metro Siqueira Campos.

I have been busted! (Oct05) I got busted at L'uomo for having a mobile phone in the Boite. I was just texting a guy we were meeting up with later. They have banned all mobiles in the boite because guys were supposedly in there taking photos with them. Anyway I got the shits a bit because my phone does not have a camera in it, and even when I pointed this out they still said it is not allowed. Pretty stupid policy considering my friend was in a cabine taking a lot of pics of one of the chics fingering her pussy and ass with his brand new USD$400 digital camera.
Further update: The next visit a friend of mine needed to use his phone in the boite, he goes up to the owner and asks, "no problem" is the reply. A girl tells my friend he cannot use his phone, he just points to the owner and she sheepishly returns to her seat.

***Solarium***

Address:- Rua JJ Seabra, 21, Jardim Botanica.
Website:- http://www.solarium.com.br/ .
Hours:- 3pm-2am M-F, 4pm-11pm Sat-Sun. (up to 40 girls).
Prices:-
R60, Entrance.
R60, Room hire 40 minutes
R130, girl for 40 Minutes
R250 in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

Solarium is smaller in size than most Termas. When I was here in November 04, I found the mongers tended to be mostly local Brazilians, who actually prefer a generous bunda (ass), as opposed to *this white boy* who likes them nice and slim, hence I tended to struggle to find someone who appealed to me here. On a visit in Feb05, the girls had completely changed and there were a number of nice young slim girls. One girl was cranking hot, but alas my amigo (the Kman) nailed here (twice) and unfortunately I did not get her. She will be there on my next visit and if she is not I am sure there will be another replacement.

Further update from my trip in Late 05, the cranking hot chic was not there but we did bump into her in Sao Paulo. How did she look? Well, the K Man suggested she had been on the "dessert 2 hours before dinner diet", IE she was carrying a lot of extra weight, 8 months is along time for a GDP. She is a nice chic though and we hung with her a while in Bahamas. The talent was pretty good on this trip, a nice selection for all but one must remember, there are fewer ladies to choose from compared to other Termas.

NB1: If you take a taxi over to Solarium avoid the peak traffic times like 5pm -7pm. Try to get there by 4.30pm or after 7pm, the trip is short but the traffic very ugly in peak times, think 40minutes for a normal 15 minute trip.

NB2: Sometimes they have specials for their newsletter clients, hence you may wish to enter your email address at their website. The special has been a no charge for the room on certain days to the value of R60. If you get this sent to you and want to use it, make sure you read it carefully, the coupon is usually only valid with a 40 minute booking and on certain days. Monte Carlo is owned by the same people and offers the same deal on a different day.

***Monte Carlo***:

Address:- Rua Hilario De Gouveia, 19. Copacabana.
Website:- http://www.termasmontecarlo.com.br/.
Hours:- 3pm-1am M-F, 4pm-11pm Sat-Sun. (up to 50 girls, all their by 5pm ish).
Prices:-
R60, Entrance.
R60, Room hire 40 minutes
R130, girl for 40 Minutes
R250 in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

The staff here tends to turnover fast, hence if you don’t like the selection one day, give it a few days and you might see some new faces in the line. Great location, nice and close to ground zero.

Note, of late maybe 35% of girls have been doing CBJ here, best to ask the girl if needed. It doesn't take much effort to get the girls to give BBBJ, even when they normally give CBJ.

The same people that own Solarium own Monte Carlo. I have heard a few complaints about the management here in regards to disputes. Generally they will back the girl in such a situation. I have told the manager exactly what I think of him and refuse to acknowledge his presence when I go there. Maybe pedantic on my part but I am a paying customer and expect to be treated like I treat the girls IE with respect. They have also lost a lot of their top girls to Centaurus, again because many people do not like the current managers.

NB: Sometimes they have specials for their newsletter clients, hence you may wish to enter your email address at their website. The special has been a no charge for the room on certain days to the value of R60. If you get this sent to you and want to use it, make sure you read it carefully, the coupon is usually only valid with a 40 minute booking and on certain days. Solarium is also and offers the same deal on a different day.

***Centaurus***

Rua Caning 44, x Rua Rainha Elizabeth, Ipanema . On some maps Rua Caning does not appear as it is relatively small, no problem look for Rua Rainha Elizabeth and you can’t miss it. On the border of Copa and Ipanema.
Hours:- 4pm-2am ish M-F, 4pm-12pm Sat. (up to 70+ girls, starting in staggered shifts, all there by 7pm ish).
Prices:-
R90, Entrance.
R220, Room hire 40 minutes+girl
R310 in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

They ask you to pay for R310 upfront, a tacky practise that many mongers do not like. You can get around this by just saying you prefer to pay for the entrance of R90 on the way in and they will allow this. It is the best option because. They speak English quite well so you will have no problem relaying this to them. Of course when you do grab a girl you will have to go back down to the boite and pay for the girls fee before nailing her unless you are known to them, then they will let you pay everything on the way out. Also be careful to ditch the "welcoming girl", girls that latch onto you suckerfishlike when you enter the locker on the premise of helping you change, these girls are always the least popular and should be ditched quickly. The best girls are so busy they are always in the boite, which is upstairs.

This place polarises people. Some guys swear by it because of the quality of the girls looks, and they generally do have the most attractive girls. Other guys refuse to go there complaining that the management has a poor attitude, which is generally conceded that they do. The girls tend to be a lot more pushy about upgrades for suites, getting you to do 2 girls at the same time etc here, and this places absolutely kills you on the upgraded price - think R220 for 40 minutes vs R400 for the 60 minute suite option (nearly double the price for an extra 20minutes is taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)) . Don't be afraid to say no, they are so pushy (instructed by management) that you may have to say it twice or three or four times, in many respects they are like pesky beach vendors. I use this to my advantage by basically holding auditions, any sign she is not passionate enough (a very common complaint here) and I ditch her, another will quite eagerly dive into her place, they are quite shameless here. I ask them a lot of questions before going to a cabine, any CBJ shit will get her ditched pretty damn quick. Remember: when you are in Rio you are the *king* and the king never hurries for anybody.

The bar staff have an annoying habit of asking for a tip. They get a napkin and ask the amount you want to tip them and put your key number next to the amount. First time they got me, now I just wave my finger to signify I do not approve and walk away. No other Terma allows their bar staff to do this. I refuse to tip any establishment that has bad management, Barabarrellas is another place I refuse to tip anyone due to their attitude.

40minutes in a cabine is not always such: Most girls, unless they know you, will allow one shot and then it is out of the cabine regardless of how much time you have actually spent in the room. This is the only terma that allows their girls to do this, well at least on a regular basis anyway.

One further point: All the other major Zona Sul termas just put up their price before I finished this report, hence Centaurus will probably up theirs as well. Think R340 in total soon, maybe for Jan-Feb as it is the best time to raise process because the most mongers are there.

An aside: Bar Fines at Centaurus for the girls taking the day off: The day after a holiday will incur the girl a fine of R500 for a no show, Saturday it is R300, R100 for other days. They do this to make sure a full shift is present. Hence, any bargaining for a girl to take the day off will have to work the fine into the total amount.

*** Boronia***

Address:- R Min alfredi Valadao No 36, Copa . Close to L'uomo
Hours:- 4pm-1am M-F, 4pm-12am S-S. (up to 20 girls).
Prices:-
R**, Entrance.
R**, Room hire 40 minutes + girl
R** in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.
(I think the pricing is slightly cheaper than L'uomo , think 25% less)

New terma, formerly a gay sauna, of which there is quite a few in the same area. Not much is known about this place but if you are in the area have a look.

***Rio Antigo***

Address:- Joaquim Silva, 2, Gloria. (can get there easily from Gloria Metro station)
Website:- http://www.rioantigo.com.br/
Hours:- 2pm-12am M-F (up to 30 girls, Girls are more or less all there by 5pm.).
Prices:-
R50, Entrance.
R140, Room hire 40 minutes + girl (R200 for 60 minute suite inc girl)
R190 in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

Not far from Centro but still in Zona Sul. I had not really visited this place much until my visits in Jan05 and Feb05 due to it being relatively small. However it has become a favourite of mine because I found a couple of girls that were outstanding. Rooms are very new and nice, with little wash basins for cleaning up afterwards (one girl dropped her pants right in front of me and pissed in the basin, as I smiled to her thinking "what the fuck", she just laughed, I love the attitudes of these girls). Very much a locals place, English is spoken by at least one of the receptionists.

Best time to arrive is around 5pm, maybe just before, any earlier and not everyone has arrived yet and you will be most likely be the only guy there. Generally does not get packed by men at any time, mostly Brasilian men as clients who tend to grab one girl and sit on her for a couple of hours. Much better Tues-Wed-Thur, I have found Mon & Friday to be very quiet and not all girls are present.

At most Termas in Rio you can get genuine massages, I find them ordinary, certainly compared to in Asia, and generally not worth it. I kid you not, once at Antigo an old lady offered a handjob or BJ for R40 during the massage, she reminded me of my mother, no thanks doris!

A young black waiter has worked there for a while, he speaks excellent English and is a good guy. I usually give him R5 or R10 on the way out. Remember most of these guys are earning R500 a month, that’s R20 per day, R5 can go along way to making some ones day. I also give the locker attendant R2 or so, once I gave her R20 after a lady had an accident while letting me bang her ass there, you can well imagine the robe was not the prettiest when returned and she earned the R20 tip!

Many travesti's are lined up on the main street directly outside Antigo at night, not my thing but a spectacle none the less. It is kind of cool to see lots of normal people just going about there business when there is literally a tranny every 10 yards wearing a G. One warning and this applies to all streetwalkers in Rio, they are notorious pickpockets, hence be very aware of where you cash is if you do get enticed for a chat. I have generally found the surrounding area to be safe for me, I catch the metro back at night.

****Centro Termas****:

Centro is a great place to go and see where the locals work. I actually spend more time in the centro termas now than the more tourist orientated ones of zona sul. Best way to get there is by Metro (Urugaiana station) during the day (about 15minutes) and then a 10minute walk. I just love the hot balmy walk through the narrow streets to the Termas. A cab back to Copacabana at night will be about R19. All Centro termas are closed on the weekend. Most are open from 2pm to 12pm but don't get going until 3 or 4pm.

Although most downtown Termas will let you pay for services in USD, they will give you a poor rate. Maybe 10% -15% less than money changers. They will slug you for using a credit card by about 10%. Girls fees must be paid in cash on way out to the receptionist. Generally, the city Termas have less girls working on Monday nights, Tuesday and Thursday can be the busiest.

**Directions for 4x4,65, 502 from the Uruguaiana Metro Station**

For more on how to use the metro system, look in the general section (part 6)

You will get on the metro at Copacabana, S Campos. When the train stops at Uruguaiana you will get out on the right side of the doors. You then go up the steps and through the exit turnstiles. Head for the signs saying "Uruguaiana exit", follow them, they are to the right side of the train (if you are travelling from Copa etc). When you go up the stairs or escalator exiting the station onto the street continue to walk straight ahead. The first street you hit will be Rua Uruguaiana running perpendicular. Turn right at this point and cross the street. The next 3 streets, if you continue to walk to the right are listed below in order. You turn left off Uruguiana into each of them to get to a Terma.

First street will be *) Rua de Alfandega (502)
Second street will be *) Rua Buenos Aires (4x4)
Third street will be *) Rua do Rosario (502)

To go to Terma 502, take Rua de Alfandega, walk down about 400 yards and you will see the blue awning at number 65 on the right, just before a major intersection that is Av Rio Branco. Go up the stairs to grab a piece of ass.

To go to 4x4, take Rua Buenos Aires. Go down 400 yards and over the major intersection that is Av Rio Branco. 4x4 is another 150 yards down on the left and a must see when in Rio.

To go to Terma 65, take Rua do Rosario, go over the major intersection that is Av Rio Branco, it is about 500 yards down on the right.

I find the area quite safe to walk back to the metro on the way home. I guess the later it gets the more chance you will take, but I have walked to the metro at 10pm many times without a drama. Actually felt a lot safer than walking around Copa at this time. However, as always be aware of your surroundings, if you do not feel comfortable grab a cab, make sure the meter is on and head home.

***Quatro Por Quatro***, (or in English: 4x4 aka 44)

Address:- Rua Buenos Aires 44, Centro. (can get there easily from Uruguiana station)
Hours:- 2pm-12am M-F (up to 120 girls, Girls are more or less all there by 5pm.).
Prices:-
R30, Entrance. (Waived to nil of you take a girl to a cabine before 5pm)
R170, Room hire 60 minutes + girl (room has a shower in it, 40 minute rooms don't)
R200 in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.
NB: The 40 minute rooms are R150, hence go the extra R20 for the extra R20 for more time and a shower in the room.

This Terma is great, it is by far the biggest Terma in Rio and I just love it. The girls can be described best as having a "Gangsta" look with plenty of Ink. It is set up primarily for the locals, hence the predominant shape is big asses, but all shapes and sizes are present, and many touristas do go there. On some trips I sometimes struggle to find a girl I like here because my taste leans more towards a slim clean look - sem (without) tatoos, however with over 100 girls, one can always find something, quality by quantity I have heard it best described. The atmosphere here is great, local Brasilain and US funk plays HARD. I find the best time to get there is around 3.30pm where I relax a bit and then grab a girl by 5pm, before the R30 fee, but primarily before the crowds get really thick. Having said this you will want to experience the Terma in full swing, after 8pm, when it is so crowed you can't move, akin to a fucking zoo and the music so loud you can't think. If there was to be a fire in there you would surely die, not a chance in hell of getting out. Just remember amongst the 200 odd heaving bodies, half will be wearing a G String and a smile, hence the rewards are there.

If you are a fan of big asses, this place will rock your world. A lot of our American brothers, who tend to like a generous bunda (ass) love this place, they all rate it a not to be missed attraction. 44 also has a small fraternity of "body builder" type chics present, pure Gansta!. Watch you head when going up the stairs, it is built for people less than 6 feet tall.

I banged this great girl there in Dec 05. She passed the screening process with flying colours. When I asked her if she was good in bed she just looked at me and said "Sim, Eu faço tudo, TUDO" (Yes, I do everything, EVERYTHING). The last "TUDO" was emphasized by her outstretched arm sweeping the horizon….and she did! After, as we were walking back to the subway, The meu amigo (My friend-male), The Kman noticed she was on the cover off a porno being sold by a street vendor. I brought the Porno but they put the wrong DVD in it, hence I did not see "minha amiga" (My friend - female) getting banged, but the girl that appeared in the other DVD, that they mistakenly placed in the cover, I had also banged, can only happen in Rio!! How many countries in the world would this happen? Have a told you lately how much I love Brazil?

An interesting point: The locals guys tend to go to Termas, primarily to drink and maybe grab a cheap feel, the majority won’t take a girl to a cabine at all, they can’t really afford it despite them being young upwardly mobile professionals and probably in the top bracket of wage earners, the salaries in Brazil are really poor compared to western standards. I make this point because even when 4x4 is crowed as hell, and it does get crowded, pushing and shoving is accepted (don't be offended if you get nudged - it is an acceptable part of the culture) there are still plenty of girls available, and generally the girls will know you, being a gringo, are there for sexo. Interestingly a lot of the local clients at 4x4 are Police, did I mention this place is underworld or what?

A further point: There is a lovely old black lady that works as a locker attendant in the first changing room after the reception area. She has been there every since I have been going there. I always give her R5, she speaks no English, throw her a R1 or R2.

***Termas 65*** (aka Meio cinco)

Upto 40 girls.
Address:- Rua do Rosario, 65, Centro. (can get there easily from Uruguiana station)
Website:- http://www.termas65.com.br/
Hours:- 2pm-12am M-F (up to 40 girls, Girls are more or less all there by 5pm.).
Prices:-
R235 in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

One block from 4x4, this place is slightly more expensive than most in centro. Quality at my last visit was quite good. The boite is very small though. Girls tend to be a bit more classy (although not much!) than the Gangstas at 4x4.

Note, For numbers, particularly phone numbers or places, seis (6) is usually not used in the spoken sense. Rather "meio", as in Half a dozen, is more common.

***Termas Aeroporto***

Address:- 216-C Beira Mar Av. Centro. (can get there easily from Cinelandia station)
Website:- http://www.termasaeroporto.com.br/
Hours:- 2pm-12am M-F (up to 30 girls, Girls are more or less all there by 5pm.).
Prices:-
R50, Entrance.
R200, Room hire 40 minutes + girl
R250 in total plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

I finally visited this place in early 2005. I had tried a few times before but it was closed for renovations. Quality of the rooms is great with small wash basins. The boite is tiny, the size of a lounge room, maybe only 30 girls and by far the smallest of all major termas. If you are over 6 foot tall, as I am, you have to watch you head in the boite.

If they don't know you they will ask you to pay R50 for your entrance on the way in. The rest is paid on the way out. Located about 1500 yards away from Terma Rio Antigo and named after the local airport which is less than a mile away and one hell of a hairy landing. Hence, could be a good spot to "grab something to eat" on a layover.

Like Centaurus, they assign a girl to you when you enter the locker room. The girl will help you with your clothes etc, but is primarily there to attach herself to you. Assigned girls are never good, the best girls are up in the boite, which is upstairs, hence I try to politely ditch her and hang my own clothes up.

This place has the distinction of the weirdest suite location. One time the love of my life (or at least for the next 60 minutes) led me inside the mens locker room, which I thought was strange. She opened a further door inside the locker room which in turn opened up to a nice suite. In Brasil nothing surprises me anymore.

I find this area really dodgy when coming home at night. Even though it is only a mile from Rio Antigo, there are many little parks where the homeless hang. Best to get a cab from the door and not walk to the metro on your way back. During daylight hours I find it safe with heaps of people around.

Of all the major termas I would probably visit this place last, primarily because it is so small and the choice of girls limited.

***Termas 502***, Rua de Alfandega, 65, Centro.

Address:- Rua de Alfandega, 65, Centro
Hours:- 2pm-12+am M-F (up to 40 girls, Girls are more or less all there by 5pm.).
Prices:-
R10, Entrance. Which includes 2 local drinks (National), is waived if you do a girl.
R77, Room hire 40 minutes + girl
R77 in total, plus drinks if you session for a girl for 40 minutes.

This place is a bit different. You do not change into a robe. Upon entry the receptionist gives you a plastic card where your drinks are recorded by a swipe, they don't speak English here, just nod your head and grab the card. Entrance is R10 and this includes 2 local drinks. I used to go to this place only to grab a water, relax, look around pay my R10 and then head over to 4x4 or Terma65 which are within a block or 2. Now I know a couple of girls there and there are a few real cuties, there is one 9.9 that I see occasionally. The price for 35minutes is R77. That is not a misprint and they even wave your R10 entrance. May well be the best deal in town. An hour was around R112 from memory. My R77 room had a shower and was as good as any of the other Termas. All the prices are marked on the wall to the left of the reception. Why do some girls work here when they could work at the bigger and more expensive places? Because the expensive places will sack girls very quickly if they don't turn up to shifts or are late. My 9.9 used to work at Monte Carlo but didn't like the strict hours and no off days policy, hence she takes less money at 502 but is happier. This place is more flexible with the girls hours hence the girls like the relaxed pace.

One point, check your bill closely on the way out, they tried to pad me a few drinks last time, I would like to think it was a mistake but in Brasil one should always get into the habit of checking the bill thoroughly.

***Cheap and Nasty***

If you are feeling adventurous you may wish to check out the following well known "cheapies" on the way to the 4x4, T502 or T65. They are all very easy to find and you can just wander into and have a look around, none have cover charges, you can buy a coke or beer for R2-R3. Some have little stages, some just have women hanging around. You can negotiate anal etc for a little more, or if it is a slow day try to get it thrown in for free. CBJ's is standard, due to the sanitary conditions this may be the preferred option. The places are best viewed early afternoon to early evening. They generally close earlier than the big Termas.

Rua Uruguaiana 24: This place has a narrow entrance and you go up some dodgy stairs and stop in at each floor to have a quick look. About 4 floors from memory. You can find an occasional cutey amongst the less than cute girls. 20mins approx R25. Some places you have to negotiate, but if they try and charge more than R2 per minute, you are being fucked.

Buenos Aires 113: This place has a long narrow walkway leading up to one medium sized floor. I briefly chatted to "O gordo"(the fat) security guard who said there is only one floor, all upstairs is cabines(rooms). Some of the girls were topless. One was very cute. Most looked youngish 18-22. On the corner of Uruguaiana & Buenos Aires, virtually next to the metro stop (Uruguaiana). 20mins approx R25.

James Howard sent me the above correction on 113. James Howard says;

"Actually it has three levels. After going through the maze entrance and up the flight of stairs, you are on level one. In fact, if you go back to the staircase and go up, there is another level, and then another. No difference in quality or prices, but for only R10, can't hurt to take a look. Every now and then something nice to be found. And if not, Skol is only R2." James Howard.

When I went there, I asked the security guy if there were more boites upstairs, he says "no just cabines" Hmmmm.

This reminded me of when I was 18 and in Amsterdam. We asked the doorman outside how much entrance was and how much beers were. He says "G5 for entrance and G1 for a beer". Cool, we go in, order 4 beers and are presented with a bill of G12 each. We say "the doorman outside said beers are only G1 each". The bar mans response "don't worry about him, he is paid to lie, that will be G12 each please"

Buenos Aires 85: This place has the narrowest stairway in all of Rio. 2 people cannot pass while on it. Having said this there are 4 or so level of clubs. About 100 yards down from 113, towards 4x4. 20mins approx R25.

Other:
Praia Club 400:

Avenida do Pepe, 400. Barra Da Tijuca.

This place girls are cheap but drinks expensive, a R25 cab ride from Copa. Opens about 6pm, and closes late. Not open on the weekend. Entrance R40 (waived if you get there by 8pm and take a girl), girls + room R170 (for cash do not pay by cc). Some nights they have swingers night, hence best to check when the terma action is. The best nights to go is Wednesday or Thursday, we went a Friday and a Monday and both sucked.

Barra Da Tijuca is a nice change for a break. It is a very middle class, crime free area about 30minutes ride south of Rio. The drive down the coast road is quite spectacular as is the view to Rocinha, Rios biggest favela (slum) on the way, lock the door when passing through! Up to 40 girls were there on the 2 occasions I visited, some were very nice as well. Predominantly locals visit this place but surprising the girls were nice and slim. To session with the girls was nice and cheap R150 for girl and cabine if paid in cash, but look at the price of the drinks carefully, a red bull and vodka R$30, some other drinks were reasonably priced like local capirinha’s $R8, all are clearly marked on the menu. One more thing, do not pay for any of your bill by credit card, they slug you hard, 30% on top of your bill! In summary pay everything in cash, drink local drinks and it works out slightly less than Zona Sul termas even with cab fair if you can find a fellow amigo to split with. They have a locker facility to put any bags etc in upon entrance if required, it is located behind the reception. If travelling down to Barra and coming back at night take your passport with you, the Police sometimes set up roadblocks on the way back into town, if you don't have ID they may try to get a bribe out of you (not pleasant).

There are heaps more Termas in Rio. This is just a list of the more popular ones. I find the termas the safest, best quality sex and most fun of all the sex options in Rio. They don’t pad the bill and the staff are usually just great. They are an institution!

A Tip: Always check your bill thoroughly. Sometimes I have items on my bill that I did not order, they were taken off without problem. Sometimes I had items that I had but did not get billed for. I think it is more a matter of errors rather than anything untoward. Always a good tip to check your bill thoroughly in South America, some places will try it on, others are simply inefficient.

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 02:50
the bubba report, updated december, 2005. part 3/12 - help.

***help***

history of help: i believe help opened in the early 80's. apparently it was a very different disco to what it is now. it was basically a place for the locals and little if any gdps were there. in the mid to late 90's as brasil lurched from one economic crisis to another it fell on harder times and gradually more gdp's started to frequent the place. now, there is nothing but gdp's and gringos looking to purchase a little fun with them.

help, pronounced helpee by the locals, (i kid you not) is a big boite, a massive boite. the latest brasilian/us techo & electronica plays hard, there can be anywhere upwards of 250 garottas, maybe more, at anyone time shaking it at help. 99% of the girls are available to be taken out of the club, they are all independent girls and there are no rooms on the premise, what you negotiate between yourself and the girls is entirely up to you and her. there is no bar fine to take a girl from help. it operates like a normal club except of course there are 250+ hookers in there! it is smack bang in the middle of copacabana overlooking the beach on avinida atlantico. entrance is r30 after midnight and r20 before midnight, same price for girls and guys. the crush just before the price goes up is pretty funny, the extra r10 is a lot to a gdp (garotta de program= girl of program). if you are lined up 10 minutes before midnight expect to be pushed and shoved by working girls attempting to jump the cue. manners are not really the same here as a western county, it is ok to push back and it is best not to give anybody an inch, you loose respect if you do. drinks are not too bad and similar to terma prices. to buy a drink you must first go to one of a few booths and hand over your cash for a drink voucher and then go to the bar. you then present your voucher to the barman and he hands over your drinks. you can also get a vip table if you are in a group and a waiter will take care of you, enquire once inside if you feel the need for such service by grabbing a waiter. it opens around 11pm and goes to around 5am. the girls start milling around about 9pm at the restaurant out front “terraco atlantico”, some of the girls never go into help, but i tend to find a lot of bottom dwellers hang around outside, there are always exceptions in rio and your chances of grabbing something cute outside is reasonable, just don't count on it. most of the nice stuff does a lap or 2 around the restaurant and then heads straight into help, you can of course grab them at this point but why rush, in rio you are “the king” and “the king” takes his time. the super hotties get out of a cab and go straight in, they never hang outside.

an average help girl will cost anywhere from r150 to r250 for a few hours to the whole night, she almost always starts the bidding at r300 (at xmas she will try for more), especially at the start of the night where she will almost always "try her luck". in brasil the amount of money the girl wishes to receive is more a desire to be worth that much, rather than what she will actually get. towards the end of the night (4am ish) her price will come down dramatically, especially when she realises she will be going home alone, believe it or not but most girls will go home alone because even if there is a girl to guy ratio of 1:1, most guys will not take a girl, a lot of gringos go there just to hang. you should start your bidding at 150, with a smile, or better still get your offer in first, and move up slowly if necessary. of course a cranking hot stunner (there will only be about 5 or so a night at help) will know her price and you may have to spend that bit extra, 95% of girls will take r150- r200 towards the end of the night, they will take r200-r250 at the start of the night, except of course at carnaval time where it may be more. in winter time, may-july, r150 is more the money, when it is also pointless going before 11.45 as you will be the only person in at this time in winter, at this time it is definitely a buyers market, use it to your advantage.

performance can vary a lot compared to terma girls (which are usually fantastic) and i generally find help girls are a riskier proposition in that you have to watch them more closely. definitely lock your shit up in a safe when a garotta is around, no matter how much you think she is ok.

dress code: you cannot wear shorts or flip flops, pretty much everything else is acceptable. generally casual clothes are the way to go. jeans are my preferred choice and black leather shoes, why jeans? well it is very smoky in there and they are easily washed. nikes & a t shirt is fine, you don't really have to impress the girls here with your $5000 gucci jump suit.

most nights are quite busy at help and hence you can't go wrong with your timing. having said this friday & saturday tend to have more part timers as opposed to the girls you see every night. the kman, a help expert swears by friday and saturday night for a little semi pro action.

you can exchange dollars or euros at help. they actually give you a better rate than most cambios, well they have at least been doing this the couple of years i have been going to rio. you can break a big note at the entrance, just say "dollars" and he will wave you through to the inside where a man will take you notes and give you the change in reals. you can change up to a few hundred dollars a night, however you will be carrying around a large amount of r, which you will want to be aware of. inside the boite you won't have to many problems but once outside you will be on your own.

nb, cambios are money changers, they generally give a better rate than banks and are everywhere in copa and ipanema. last exchange rate in nov2005. cambio
usd$100=r225, help usd$100=r230.
nb, towards the end of my trip in december help was giving a rate less favourable than the termas, on a par with

security in help: there is good security within help, you will see then just standing and watching, generally they are unobtrusive and generally will back the monger in most situations but of course not all, like any club, stupid behaviour is never a good idea. any problems with a girl that is going to get out of hand, call the security over and let them deal with it. i once had a girl attempt to throw a drink over me, much to the amusement of all guys and girls around me. as security started to come over, she starts yelling at them the telling them of all the bad things i had done. security grabbed her and took her to another part of the club. it was a fairly minor incident, anything more would have got her thrown out. kman ended up buying her a drink after finding out the girl he was about to take home was her best friend. i do believe he neglected to tell her he was actually staying at the same apartment as me. i think the kman gets more amusement out of my misadventures than i do. i still don't know why she did it, i hadn't spoken to her before nor did i intend to, she just came up and started bitching and moaning, then went off.

i have never seen a guy/guy fight in help, sure it has happened but not common. seen a guy "drop" a girl with a clean punch one night, she eventually got up, all bloodied and then came at him again - he was dragged off by the police. overheard a gdp say he will be paying "muito dinheiro" (a lot of money) to the police to get out of that one. you do see the occasional girl/girl fights, mostly they occur in the toilet, you know what has happened when girls start streaming out of the toilet laughing and telling all and sundry there was a problem in there. saw one girl slap the hell out of another on the dance floor, everybody just stood around and watched, guys and girls don't really think of it as a serious moment, more something to laugh at, adds to the entertainment of the night. there have been instances of girls being beaten by guys in hotels, and of course guys being beaten by girls and their associated boyfriends - hence the reason for caution and a thorough screening.

if you visit help enough you will eventually get to see everything. one can get as much amusement out of watching fellow hobbiest as the girls. once saw a black guy wearing towel around his neck and shoulders (yes a real bathroom towel, worn like a boxer, not an arab), thought he was the coolest cat on the planet, hard to pay for shit that funny anywhere on the planet. there is also a midget that occasionally frequents the place, she does well, shes always busy. one could and perhaps should make a movie about the place.

***scam***

a few gdp's in help will know and have the cell phone of a the local policia. a popular scam, which is not common and will generally only be tried on a green newbie is as follows. the girl will go up to the apartment, then start yelling over basically nothing, causing noise, which in turn will cause a problem with your neighbours and ultimately you. she will then accuse the newbie of doing something inappropriate and call the police. the police she actually calls will be known to her and hence won't be on your side. when they turn up they will try and get as much cash out of you as possible, threatening jail etc, in short if you do talk to them and your portuguese is limited you will be in deep. you really don't want to speak to the police under these circumstances. if it does happen to you, i would turn off the lights and just not open the door to them. they cannot legally enter (for what that is worth). if i could leave the apartment for a few hours and get the fuck out of there, it would also be a good option. the best solution is to avoid the problem in the first place, screen any gdp heavily.

for further info on scams and police interaction see section 6.

do’s and don’t of a help girl

what you get depends entirely on what you negotiate. i am sure if you walk up to girl and ask her a price, and you agree on r350 and are out of there, you will get fucked.

***do's: ***

**preparation: before leaving you hotel/apartmento for the night make sure your room is prepared for a visitor. lock all your valuables in a safe, also put everything else in your suitcase and lock it. make sure nothing is lying out that can be slipped into a bag.

**go with a buddy and look out for each other, if possible hook up with someone that speaks portuguese.

**heavily screen her. any sign she is off her head or displaying weird behaviour, get rid of her. a lot of helpee girls do a lot of coke, you really don't need the problem associated with this in rio. i think it is best to spend at least 30 minutes with her before going. buy her a drink, they are cheap as hell, have a dance with her....have a bit of a discreet fondle...(but don’t think you are in a terma, as that much groping will get your ass kicked out of the place and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off), make sure there are no glowing signs she is going to cause trouble or fuck you. the key here is pay attention to any "flags", if you have any doubts ditch her and get another one.

**when it is time to leave always negotiate the time, the service if necessary (anal etc) and price in reals. write it down when you get home if necessary, one of my friends does this, i think he is nuts (and he probably is, but that is another story), but he very rarely lets any working girl get the better of him and he speaks zero portuguese. make sure the price is clear and it is in reals not dollars. if she does not stick to what is negotiated take it off what you pay her after you have banged her.

**always take a taxi from help but never from out front of help. many street kids line up around help and particularly the side streets leading back to avinida noss s copacabana. rua miguel lemos is the first street to the left as you leave help, this is the worst street to walk along late. the street kids sit in the shadows and watch for a target to turn left in to this street. they then get up and follow. miguel lemos is a little better now that the crepe restaurant and the office have opened, however both close around 2am -3 am, after that it is still just as dangerous. never walk along avinida atlantica (the street that follows the beach) late and never walk along any beach late. avinida atlantica, in my opinion, is the most dangerous street you will see in copacabana, most gringos that get mugged, get mugged there.

the taxis lined up out front of help are a disgrace and will not use the meter, they will try to charge you at least double the fare, maybe more. i usually leave help, turn right, walk along the footpath that fronts restaurant terraco (which is quite safe) and go and stand outside of bobs (a brasilian mcdonalds like burger joint) or grab a cab as it is turning into the first street between bobs and restaurant terraco. before entering the cab ask "meter?" while i have the door open before getting in i make sure it is on before i enter the cab and if the meter is not put i will grab another cab, they are everywhere. this is important in that the girl will know you are not a greenhorn and an easy target. if the girl complains about why you are not taking a cab outside of help just say "outro taxi" (english - other taxi) ----and point to the cabs out front and say "bandidos" (bad men, bandits) and you are walking quickly towards bobs. she will know what you mean and that you are not a greenhorn.

**do remain relatively sober, rio is not the place to be wandering around blind drunk.

***don'ts***

**never pay a girl over r230. when she says r300+, looked shocked and wave your finger, its all part of the fun. maybe 5% of help girls will get more than r200, don't be a sucker.

**never ever, ever pay the girl upfront when back at your hotel/apartmento. if she protests, point to the door. every experienced monger will never pay upfront, a brasilian guy will sooner die than part with his money before sexo. the problem is once you have cum, any time factor you have negotiated may go out the window. if she has your reals she may well head off. if you haven't paid her and she takes off early only give her a proportion of what is agreed, a deal is a deal, surprisingly they except this ok! if you really must do her and she absolutely insists on the cash upfront, show her the cash but don't give it to her. this is the last resort, if she still won't come to the party something is wrong, tell her to go away.

**never ever pay the girl upfront. am i repeating myself here? yes because this is the most important point. don't do it under any circumstances.

**never take a taxi that is waiting directly outside help. they are fuckers. there are signs inside help that basically say they have nothing to do with the taxis out front because they know they are a problem. just ignore the taxi touts as you leave help and go and hail a moving. point to the meter before you are getting in the door and make sure it is put on before closing it, if it he doesn't put it on you are about to get fucked, hence don't get in. grab another, they are everywhere.

**if the girl tries to negotiate when you get back to your pad, ditch her. i will guarantee you she will be a dud, is going to cause you further problems and will be a pain in the ass. write it off to experience, go to sleep and grab another the next night.

**always watch and get your own drink when back at your apartment. i have personally spoken to guys that have been drugged and ripped off by accomplices , not common but not a good thing to go through.

**never ever negotiate in usd$, always make sure the price is quoted in brasilian reals and both parties are clear on this. the “r” in pronounced more like an “h” in portuguese hence reals is pronounced more like “heals”.

**never give the girl an inch, she will take a mile. be very firm with the girl when negotiating, smile but let her know you are not an easy target. brasilian men are very hard on their women, much harder than they we could get away with in western countries, don’t let her interpret western politeness as a sign of weakness.

**never ever think of doing the girl without a condom, these girls are not tested like terma girls and there are a constant rumours by local guys that i know, of a few girls working there while being hiv positive. two of them are well know porn stars that pop up from time to time. bareback action is more common than your average monger will admit to. having said this, aids is only slightly more common in brasil than it is in the us. it is not like africa where a large proportion of the population has exposure. a lot of these girls are uneducated and some will do you without a condom if there is a connection. if she is doing it with you, she has done it with someone else. don't let that 1 hour of pleasure fuck up the rest of your life. bbbj is standard for most and imho less of a health risk.

**never ever let your guard down………under any circumstances……you are not in kansas anymore……….rio has 12m people, of which ¼ live in favellas (slums), poverty causes crime…..try to minimise your chances of becoming a target.

use the negotiation period as a further screening measure, if she is really going hard for the $ or turns into a pain in the ass while negotiating it is not a good sign, this is very important, if you get any bad vibes or she gives you any unfriendly attitude your chance of a good experience will be reduced greatly and i would personally ditch her. the best girls i have had actually make the negotiation experience fun, with plenty of laughing etc (especially when asking what services she provide) if she wiggles her finger and calls you a safado with a big smile on her face when you ask if she does anal you know you will be in for a good sign. (tip: if interested in a particular service ask 1) if she does it & 2) if she likes it, if she says no to the second - may be time to ditch) the best girls tend to get the negotiation over quickly and painlessly and are less concerned with extracting every possible dollar. one further point, all the girls talk to each other, they will more than likely know who you fucked last night in help and they may how much you paid. if you pay one girl top dollar it is going to be harder to get the next girls down to a reasonable price.

i personally very rarely take a girl from help, i have been there 80+ times and just go to hang out with friends both male and female after i have had a terma session. having said that i have negotiated a number of times for friends that speak zero portuguese. generally speaking, guys that i do know well and are very experienced at help tactics, usually take out a fresh part timer from help and again generally have a good time. if she is a hardened help pro, she is much more likely to give a lazy fuck, munch on your mini bar, grab her cash and leave.

**is help going to close?**

there have been a number of rumours that help will close any day. these rumours have been going on for about 4 years. the story is the lease has finished, the consortium of spanish owners have exhausted all legal means of keeping the place open and are not paying bills any more. the rumoured date is may 2006. apparently they are looking at another location so that could be an option. the locals would probably resist this because the sex industry, well at least the visible places like help and the restaurants along avinida atlantica are always in the news and very unpopular. who knows what will happen. one thing is for sure, the last night would be one hell of a party.

**pricing: is a very steep pyramid at helpee. (sample 250 gdp)**

musings by me, posted isg

1)at the very top of the pyramid, girls will ask and get r400 - r500. these girls know their shit and can work a crowd, do not let them talk in dollars, you are in brasil, the brasialian currency is reals. maybe 3 girls here per night at the top of the heap.
2)near the very top: girls will try to get r400, will settle on 250-300. less than 10 girls per night.
3) young and cute. these girls will all start with a bid of r300. will take r180-r230 ish. at the end of the night they will take r150-r180. the top 10%, maybe less.
4) the rest: all shapes, sizes and age. the bulk of the herd. r150-r175ish. at the end of the night they will take less. the majority of these girls will go home alone, use this to your advantage.
of course a lot of girls will think they are 1 level above what they really are. on your first visit, take a little time to work out the different levels. only takes a few minutes.

nb: the average pricing is for april - november. in the busy periods (dec-mar) pricing will step up a bit, think an extra r50 for each group.

**miss 9.5**, a fantasy sometimes should always remain just that.

more musings by me, posted isg 28.10.05

the fantasy:
i have been watching a certain gdp in help most nights. she is stunningly beautiful, long brown hair, a models face, athletic dancers legs, tan lines that go way up and man can she dance - think the hottest girl in the hottest chic nightclub in any big western city. this girl has it all.

each night we watch her arrive, just before midnight, this girl knows how to play the game, she doesn't do a lap of the restaurant out front, she goes straight in. it would be beneath her to get picked up at the restaurant, she is after bigger fish. she is at the very top of the helpee food chain and knows her place.

once i am inside i like to just grab a beer and comment on her actions with "meus amigos" (my friends), we just all love to watch her do her thing. she nearly always dances on the top stage, in front of the tables - prime real estate. as i rarely take a girl from help, there is plenty of time to just chill and observe. we have nicknamed her miss "9.5", she is almost perfect. we sort of cringe when a poorly dressed gent tries to speak to her, we know he will be walking away shaking his head just a few minutes later. politely, but firmly shot down in flames. when she is taken out, it is usually by someone sitting at a table drinking expensive drinks, surprisingly she is only taken out 4 or so nights per week. although none of us have ever bothered to speak to her in detail, we know her price, she is asking and probably getting big dollars for a helpee girl.

the realty:
every night i have been to help this trip, maybe 15 nights in the last 45 days, i have seen her there, she is never absent. she never gets repeat business. if she were great in bed and generally fun to be with, she would get snapped up for several nights by some wealthy gent, maybe for a week or 2 or more. there are heaps of high net worth mongers that regularly go to rio. this leads me to believe that she will charge big $ and be a 1 pop and out of there girl. in this case the fantasy is better than the realty.

the irony is, she notices us checking her out. she knows we are there all the time and know the score. she even gives us the odd wink or smile as she is passing, we do likewise but neither parties stop and dwell, a sign of begrudging respect between 2 parties with diagonally opposed objectives.

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 02:57
the bubba report, updated december, 2005. part 4/12 -other options.

***boites***

these are basically night clubs that open at around 10pm or 11pm, get going around midnight and go very late. you will pay an entrance fee and a bar fine to take a girl out of the place. the most well known is barbarelas in the lido district of copacabana, close to leme, it almost always has the most attractive girls. you also have franks, pussycat, and heaps of others, all located in lido, which is basically at the end of copacabana close to av princess isabella. if you wander around you will see all of them close to each other, don't let a tout come up to you, he will be after a commission off the club, this commission will more likely be added to your bill, just ignore him. entrance is usually r15-r60, which may include a drink or 2. drinks are much more expensive than the termas (upto or more than r50+ a shot!) and you need to be much more aware of your surroundings than at a terma in that they will pad your bill if you are not careful and generally try to "fuck the gringo on prices" if you are not careful. best to just drink water at these places and never buy a girl a drink unless you are very clear how much it will cost you, because it will cost you plenty. to take a girl out will usually cost you a bar fine of up to r60 and the girl will usually get r200 out of you for a session which could last a few hours or the whole night, if you can negotiate well you can obviously reduce this. she will almost always start her bidding at r300+. the one exception is barbarella's (or is it barbarela's, the 2 signs at the entrance are spelled differently!), where everything costs just a bit more, although they do have some great looking girls, albeit at a price, think up to r400 for the super hotties (starting bid will be r500+). franks is famous for its "live sex show", usually at 1am most nights (1am in brasil usually means 2am or later). performance is more varied with a boite girl than a terma girl.

one warning, and this applies to everywhere in rio. if you jump into a cab weighting outside of the club, including normal clubs, they will generally not turn on the meter. a normal r5 cab ride will turn into r20 if you do this without first negotiating the fare. the girl you take will almost always direct you to these waiting sharks, i always just walk up 20 meters and hail a cab and make sure they put the meter on *before i get in*. any complaints by the girl are quickly squashed and they fall into line, this is important in that they know you have been around a bit. the taxis are particularly bad outside of barbarella's, another galling tactic by this club is the doorman will stick his hand out forcefully on your way out and ask for a tip, sometimes the girl will even ask for a tip on his behalf, i will usually slip by him and be gone up the street before he realises. never ever pay for any girl upfront out of any club. if she insists on payment, you may wish to show her you have the money but never give it to her, if she still complains i will guarantee you she will cause you problems and point to the door right it off. no brasilian guy will ever pay for a girl upfront, nor will any experienced monger.

barbarella, rua ministro viveiros de castro, 24. copa/leme

entrance is now r60 which includes 2 drinks, beer isn't served here. watch for the touts that line both avenida prado junior and avenida princess isabel, they basically chase you to get you into barbs. just ditch them, you don't need any help off these guys. they are very persistent, we like to play games with them when in a group, ie 4 of us will all go in different directions when crossing a road, the tout usually just stands their not knowing which one to follow - yes i know i am a child!. if you stay in rio for more than a week or 2 you should perhaps visit barbs once, but perhaps only for the purpose of visiting another club. there are better options than paying r500 for a barbs girl.

don juan, rua duvivier, 37. copa/leme
doma, av. prado júnior, 63 copa/leme
franks, av. princesa isabel, 185b. copa/leme. entrance r15 (includes one drink). doesn't really get going until past midnight.
holiday, av. atlântica, 1424, copacabana
la cicciolina, av. princesa isabel, 185d, copacabana entrance r25 (includes 2 local drinks).
café senso, av. princesa isabel, 7, copacabana
pussycat, av. copacabana, 129, copacabana

there are also a few in other parts of rio. however you can get by with no portuguese at the above places, in the parts of the city you may need some porto skills.

the kman: was dragged along to a club above the balcony bar by his girlfriend and another brasilian couple (club holiday, i think it is but don't quote me), where they have a live sex show. they unfortunately turned up late, after the show had finished. after expressing a desire to see a show, the manager said he would organise one for r100. the party agreed and selected a girl from the club. the manager then grabbed a waiter and directed proceedings. the waiter was apparently thinking all his xmas's had come at once, unfortunately he had performance problems and was chastised, then summarily dismissed by the director of proceedings. while the manager was searching the club for a suitable replacement, the kman's girl suggested he "step up to the plate", under normal circumstances i think he would have, but he was worried he to would fail to get wood in front of the other girl in the party, whom he secretly wants to nail (in rio anything is possible). after 10 minutes, a substitute waiter did indeed step up to the plate and apparently performed quite well, much to the delight of all people present.

***beach restaurants***

there are a number of restaurants that front copacabana on avinida atlantica that offer the opportunity of more than just a drink. these paces are very popular of late with our american brothers, who tend to form the majority of patrons, it would be a good place for solo travellers to hook up with like minded travellers.

food is more expensive than your average restaurant but not overly expensive by western standards. beer is relatively cheap. there is no bar fine to take a girl from here, all the girls are independent and wander in and out of the places all day. a girl should cost r80 - r150 (absolute max for a must do) for a couple of hours - aim at r100. again start low, open your bid at r70. the girls are not terma quality, in fact you will have to look a bit to find something worth doing. a lot of guys go there just to hang and chat with fellow minded sleaze mongers. of late the girls have basically been scraping the bottom of the barrel, but of course just when you say "i am never going back to that place" a cutie pops up to keep you going.

all are on av atlantica (number #), copacabana.
havana café, (#3310), mabs (#1140) , meia pataca (#3312), terraco atlantico (#3432)

***balcony bar***

a normal bar with action. the girls of late have been ordinary, however not a bad place to have a beer.

located on av atlantica, next to placa lido (lido square), about half way between help and leme.

***beach***

you can always find a willing lady from the beach. just smile in her direction if she is alone or with another lady, she may well be a worker, of course she may not be as well. if she responds in a friendly manner you may well be on your way. alot of the gdp's (working girls) that work in copa also live there in tiny shared apartments and hence use the beach during the day. your average non working girl will probably not go to copacabana to lay on the beach, less they be associated with the sex scene. i was with a friend of mine when he grabbed a stunner off ipanema one day (not overly common), we kept saying to each other she is to hot to be a worker, once she smiled back at him we both knew she most certainly was.

***hooker beach***

there is a highly organised area of copa often known as "hooker beach". alot of the girls you see in help at night or at some of the avinida atlantica restaurants will hang here during the day. they will usually go for r80 - r120 for a couple of hours, negotiate - start low. it is directly opposite meia pataca or the othon hotel on copacabana beach, not far from help. look for the small beach kiosk and the associated flotsam and jetsam hanging around.

again be careful here with the touts, they are there to rip you off, not to assist. they will try to organise everything for you and are quite persistent. if i choose to relax her for a few minutes, i will negotiate a chair for r6 (they are normally r3 in all other parts of the beach) and get my own drinks or if i want to speak to a girl i will go over and introduce myself. if you let the touts bring you drinks, introduce you to girls etc and you don't negotiate the price of their service upfront they will hit you for as much as they can get out of you, avoid them for everything but the chair rental. if you must use them, pay as you go or they will hit you for a bill of r80 for maybe 3 drinks......... you can get drinks yourself at the kiosk in the part of the beach. from memory beers start at r2, cans of coke r2, coconuts cut with a straw r2.50, caipivodkas start at r6. be careful drinking beers on the beach, they go straight to your head and you will get drunk twice as quickly.

***massagems***

these little places (usually 4 rooms or less) charge around r50 for 30 minutes, some charge r1 per minute. i find it takes a bit of work to find something decent here and the termas are generally a much more fun atmosphere. these places are set up for the locals and hence are much cheaper and generally less hygienic. they are open from midday or so to 8pm or 10pm at night. it is not uncommon to see the same girls here go to help at night or a beach front restaurant. best to bring you own condoms and lube, cheap and nasty describes these places. if i do a girl here i choose to do her "standing up" rather than use the bed, which may or may not be clean. the rooms are more like cubicles and hence may not have a door on them, hence other punters may well see your naked ass bouncing off the walls as they go by.

in copacabana
praca serzedelo correia 15, room 1104, r$30 for 30 minutes.
hilário de gouveia 66, apt 1103 (level11). r$ 30 for 20 minutes.
av north copacabana 583, apt. 204. r$40 for 20 minutes. no need to take the elevator just walk up the stairs next to them. try 202 when there, it is copa terma r$70 30mins.
rua siqueira campos, 22, enter from hilário de gouveia, you will see the blue entrance with a 2 on each side of the door. r$80 for 40 minutes. a bit more expensive than the rest but still not as expensive as monte etc and of course not as clean either.

in centro
see the "terma section" for 3 places in centro.

there are hundreds of other small dodgy places in centro, they are listed in the local papers if you are so inclined.

***escorts***

will run from r100 -r150 for 2 hours + taxi fare (r20-r40ish). there are heaps of them in rio. alot of girls will do anal here, ask for "completa" (cooom-ple-tah), meaning she will do everything. ordering girls can be a bit of a problem if you can't speak portuguese and do not know how to order thoroughly. basically my experience has been, good/great performers at a cheap price but the looks have left a lot to be desired. the photos on the site are quite flattering, heavily photo shopped and taken just at the right angle. don't expect a stunner but none the less it is worth a "roll of the dice". like most things in life you get what you pay for. if you are a drinking man this could be a good option for you.

you could always do what the k man does, and that is order 2 girls. that way at least one should be doable, the other one is designated the "ball licker", the kman is not and a man to let a naked gdp go to waist.

http://www.scortshow.com.br/
http://www.karlamodels.com.br/
http://www.lindasmodels.com/ (the kman had good luck with this agency first up, second up the 2 girls were definitely not the same on the site, in fact they were so large he commented that maybe they ate the other 2 girls on the site)
http://www.barravips.com.br/

avoid:
www.viprj.com.br crappy operation with only a few girls despite having numerous photos on their site. notorious bait and switch

***classificados in o globo ***

the following is written by lorenzo, lorenzo says:

"you didn't mention the classificados which appear every day in o globo and jornal do brasil. to take advantage of these you will need to read and speak portuguese. the classificados are, in a way, the exact opposite of escort services in that you can talk to the girl but don't know what she looks like. however, to me talking is more important in that i get a chance to see if there is any chemistry, if she has an attitude, and to negotiate services. but i think you can be reasonably certain that she will be attractive; if not, you can send her on her way (although ethically you should pay her cab fare)." lorenzo

***miami peep***

this place is good for a bit of a laugh. you go in the shop entrance off avinida n s copacabana and up to the second floor. you exchange you reals for tokens. you use the tokens for various activities at varying costs. i believe in the private rooms you can also touch them, however i have never taken up this option. i believe if you befriend them you could always make other plans, anything is possible in rio! all very safe in the shop. on the same corner of the street that goes to terma monte carlo.

corner of rua hilario de gouveia (monte carlo) and avinida n s copacabana.

the following was posted by jaimito cartero (10 sept 2005), rather than edit it i thought it accurately described miami.

jaimito cartero posted on isg, jaimito cartero says:-

"miami show club. it's your basic sex shop, with porno booths downstairs. r1 works for 3 minutes. nothing too exciting there, but they did have one video that peta would have objected to. each token is r1, and the guy said you could refund them if you didn't use them.

upstairs you have about a dozen booths and one or two dancers on a rotating bed. r1 per minute. i saw three chicas, and two were pretty bad, and one was very nice. nothing too out of the ordinary here.

they have solo rooms, that you get a private show in. r5 for 2 minutes, again using the tokens. when i went, they had 10 girls there to choose from. i sat and watched the mop brigade go into action each time a guy came out. even used some air freshener too.

each of the chicas has a picture with a number. you go into the booth and put your tokens in, and then push the buttons selecting the chica. your time doesn't start until she comes into the room. there is a plexiglass window between you, with some holes for talking to her. there is also a 4 inch space at the very top, that you can just get your hand into.

the chica i got must have been working there for years, because the pic was ooooooold. she was nice enough, and proceeded to give my finger a bbbj, and then put her ass up to the top so i could finger whatever hole i wanted.

the sperm mopping guy told me that you could have a dupla in there if you put in r50.

interesting if you're bored, you can even go around the corner to the church and light a candle when you're done." jaimito cartero


***villa mimosa***

vm is worth visiting just for the experience, if you choose to do a girl there, then you are a braver man than me my friend. it is basically a collection of "bars" within a small area. security does patrol the area and hence it is relatively safe providing you do not do something really stupid. to quote bs, security is operated by private forces and hence is very efficient. it is not the place to be loud and brash.

girls charge anywhere from r20 and up, depending on what you want. rooms are r5 for the nasty ones, and r7 for the less nasty ones. i believe the r7 gets you clean sheets! i once went there with 2 american book ends, we had a bet who would be brave enough to fuck in those rooms. no one took the cash, i remember some one saying they would go into the rooms if a hazmat uniform could be provided. i believe if you wanted to do a girl you could take her out of the place to short term motel, this may be a preferable option. good their with low expectations. (hazmat= hazardous materials)

vm is located a couple of suburbs from centro. probably 12km from copa and about r25 in a cab.

a post from doc bill on vm ( 17.11.05 )

"villa mimosa: best for last? well, maybe not, but certainly the most interesting. since there were three of us going i felt not-too-nervous about it, and i felt it was something i had to do to earn my stripes in brazil. we went at about 11 on a friday night. it has been said that “if cleanliness is next to godliness then villa mimosa borders on hell,” and i actually found that to be a gross understatement. if you’re a germaphobe or have any inclinaton to take a crap before you leave then don’t go! this was the most disgusting filthy place i have ever seen in my life – people pissing, shitting and puking everywhere, shit all over the streets. it’s also wonderful and i would definitely return. the place is like a bar scene in a star wars movie, a true show to watch. about half the girls were wolf-ugly, and about 20 percent fairly good, with a couple of stunners. price was 20 reals for 20 minutes. all covered, quick and businesslike, but what do you want for eight bucks?! as for safety that was a non-issue. heavy police presence and brightly lit, and no one bothered anyone else that didn’t want to be bothered. a true sex bazaar/bizarre!" doc bill

***regular clubs*** (with thanks to keldeson isg for posting this list of addresses)

baronetti, rua barao da torre 354,ipanema

nuth, av. armando lombardi 999, barra (arguably the number 1 club in rio)

mariuzinn, av n.s. copacabana 435,copacabana

00 zero zero, av. padre leonel franca 204, gavea, 24540-8041
www.00site.com.br

bombar, rav gal san martin, 1011, leblon, 2509-3599

guopo loco, right next to bombar,
www.guapoloco.com.br

bunker, rua raul pompeia 94, copacabana, 2521-0637
www.bunker94.com.br

club six, rua da marracas 38, centro (lapa), 2510-3230

melt, rua rita ludolf, leblon, 2540-0705

most clubs in rio are like your standard fare back home. they can be difficult to get into without a long wait. of course, like back home, if you take a smoking hottie with you, your chances are much better. taxis outside of night clubs like melt etc can be problematic in that they don't always turn the meter on.

***2 large local clubs in zona norte***

these 2 clubs are not for the first time visitor, they are in very dangerous areas. for someone that knows his way around rio after a few visits they are definitely worth checking out.


**pyramide**
the following post was not by me, i cannot find the name of the poster, if you know please let me know so i can credit it.

pyramide is a large discotheque. it's located in duque de caxias. taxi from copacabana is about 40-45 reais. it lies next to the delegacia (police station). saturdays are the best. pyramide is my favourite place, for non-pro's, in rio followed by via show.

close to pyramide is a square wich have forró-band playing on saturdays. lots of stands selling food and beer. mostly older crowd. after a couple of beers on the praça just head 150 meters up and you will see pyramide.

entrance 8 reais. it's a big dancehall with a top/vip section which you can access for a small fee. there is live music. mixture of axé, forró etc...

just grab a waiter anywhere and he will bring you a bucket filled of ice and a dozen of beers. people are standing with beer-buckets and dancing everywhere.

you will get lots of attention as a gringo. maybe even more than you'll like. don't overdress or flash your money around. try to keep a low profile and smile to everyone.

girls, girls and more girls! i've never seen so many cuties in rio. they maybe won't jump on top of you, as these are regular girls not very accustomed to gringos. just talk with them and share your beers with them. i found it very easy to get dates at pyramide which turned out to be good sex. i havn't seen any pro's there.

safety: pyramide itself has very good security. i saw small fights inside the discotheque, but nothing serious. anyway you don't want to get mixed up in a fight with locals in d d c. be sure you don't hit on a girl who has a boyfriend.

the second time i went to pyramide, there was a fight on the outside. police came. separated the fighters and shot one of them in the head, without any reason. very ugly! the crowd got very upset.

i can recommend pyramide if you want to meet regular girls. you better speak proper portuguese. i don't recommend pyramide for newbies or mongers who are not used to leave copacabana. i also guess there can be a risk for muggings if you wander around in the wrong streets of d d c.

**via show**

the following post was not by me, i cannot find the name of the poster, if you know please let me know so i can credit it.

www.viashow.com.br
for those not familiar with via show, it is a popular dance/concert hall located in via dutra, km 167 on linha vermelha (red line expressway). approx. 35 to 55 minutes north of rio in baixada fluminense. everything from live bands to funk djs play at this venue.

expect a crowd of a few thousand on the weekends or when a popular event is being held. lotsa honeys to be found...civilians, not on the program. many cariocas frequent this place.

if you are in zona sul, and not familiar with the public transportation system, i would rec. a taxi. should not cost you more that 55 reals (one way) on bandeira 2 (level 2) on the meter. it is always best to ask the taxista first for an estimate.

by bus, i would suggest going to a rodoviara (bus station), either novo rio or praxa 15. catch an express bus (designated by an "r" after the line number) for nova iguacu. sit up front near the bus driver. tell him you want to stop at via show..."para pra mi, via show por favor." wouldn't hurt if you tipped him a real or two. also, the location will be hard to miss. right off the expressway, big signs, and crowds of people hanging out front.

things usually get going at around 10pm or so. the festa continues into the break of dawn. if you come much earlier, you can monger over at the mall across the street.

when you are ready to do the do, there are many motels in the area to choose from. i strongly rec. champion. it is the top dog of motels. like vips in vidigal but, without the ocean view and high prices.

if your mission was not completed, and need to get back to zona sul, i strongly rec. a taxi. again, ask the taxista for pricing. taking a bus back is a no no late at night.

***gdp.net***

the first i heard of the gdp network was from reading bwana diks guide (btw, try and get a hold of it, it is a great guide). basically gdp workers keep in contact with each other across the city and are only to eager to tell one another where a certain gringo has been, particularly if that certain gringo is where he said he wouldn't go.

i am thinking as soon as a girl sees you somewhere, the text messages start flying. ever wonder why girls go to the bathroom so often? to do their part in the gdp network.

i get tracked because i come back to rio every few months. in the intervening time girls move from one terma to another and hence know who you used to hook up with at a previous terma. this is problematic in that it is difficult for me to keep a certain cutie happy at one terma when she is being informed i am nailing several other girls at other termas. i never lie to a terma girl, but when she asks if i have been nailing someone i just change the subject, "how about those bears, eh?"

never ever underestimate the power of the gdp network. i met up with a friend today, an ex terma girl and the first thing she said was, "you were at solarium tuesday night, and 4x4 on monday". she never worked at either, how the fuck they know is beyond me. however, always assume they will find out and will be able to track your every move!

***so a gdp has kept in contact and wants you to send her money***

i have no problem giving money to a needy cause, a gdp is far from a needy cause. quite frankly, just don't do it, unless you have money to burn.

***my rio game plan***

i posted this on a site a while back. it basically sums up my "game plan" in rio.

post by me july 01:

everyone has a different game plan when in rio.

i personally like the termas and will generally have 6 or so favourites girls rep001tered across the city. each trip a few drop off the list and of course a few get added. i generally see a favourite girl every second night at a terma, the one to see depends on the mood and of course where other amigos are headed for the evening. on the other nights i look for something new. of course if this is done within an establishment that i have a regular at it can take planning.....it helps if she is busy when i arrive…... all good fun.

i personally will only see a favourite outside a terma if i really like her, maybe only 1 or 2 per trip will be invited to come to my hotel/apartment. if she does come over it will be a girlfriend kind of a deal, i will not give her any cash straight out, maybe some cab money or a couple of bucks to get her "hair done", i make this clear at the beginning. of course this means a certain amount of emotional attachment can be assumed by the girl, i also make it clear that this is a short time deal, not a long term relationship. i tend to find if i invite more than a couple over per trip they are harder to control and potentially cramp my style, some can turn into pests real quick. my average trip lasts a month or 3 and hence it is more difficult to get rid of girls than just jumping on a plane after just 6 days in rio.

i will only invite a girl over to my pad if she is genuine and not likely to cause any problems. i have no interest in a gangster chic coming to my pad, that is what motels are for. any girl that comes to my place is heavily screened for emotional stability and honesty. i have a very good "bullshit detector" and hence i have never had any problems with such girls taking shit or trying to scam me. any girl invited to my place i would consider to be a pretty decent human being, hence i also do not want to hurt her emotionally or give her false hopes of a gringo passport. i try to make this clear, sometimes it is not heard though. i like to treat all girls i spend time with like the way i expect to be treated i.e with respect.

on my first trips i grabbed phone numbers off pretty much every girl i liked. now i only get the numbers off the ones that i want to keep in contact with on another visit, hence i might only accept 1 or 2 new numbers per trip. i generally don't call them unless i need to find out where they are or need a date for a dinner party with fellow deviates. i find if you start calling them they get the wrong impression and they start to call way to much and try to pull the "you can't see other women stuff". i don't think i have ever asked for a phone number, usually a girl i have seen a few times insists i take theirs, they are not exactly shy in rio.

i actually prefer email addresses. it is easier to keep in touch and easier to control, because if they start hounding me i can slow down my replies to them. i also find this great when i am travelling through europe (where i live for half the year). it is great to have "uma amiga" (a friend) to meet in italy or spain for a few days of fun. with the ever increasing number of gdp's working in europe i tend to find it is an easy and a very enjoyable hook up.

i have many friends that do 2 or 3 girls a night, usually a new girl each time, hell one of my friends averages 5 a night although he only stays for 5 nights at a time, i tend to find 1 girl a night is a good number for me. i really like to find a girl i connect with and who i see a few times, the sex just gets better and better. often she will let me do things that no one time punter will ever get the chance to do with her. hence, i prefer quality over quantity. my point is every one is different and we all get different things out of our visits, its all good.

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 02:58
The Bubba report, updated March, 2005. Part 5 -Rio De Janiero V Sao Paulo.

They are completely different cities, I love them both. Someone from Sampa will say "Cariocas always want to have fun, they are lazy, they want to party rather than work hard to provide for their families- no one that has achieved true greatest has come out of Rio". A caroica will reply "Paulistas are to serious, they work all the time, they don't know how to have fun - No one Coooool has ever come out of Sampa". The truth is obviously somewhere in the middle but it illustrates the "theme" of each city. Rio is for play, Sampa is for work.

***Sampa: ***

The population is around 17m souls. If you draw a line 100km around Sampa the figure is more like 40m. This is a huge city, usually ranking as one of the 5 largest in the world. A person from Sao Paulo, the state is known as a Paulista, a person the city is known as a Paulistano. Sao Paulo is often shorted to Sampa.

When I first went to Sampa I expected the clubs to be similar to Rio, in that some would be like Termas and others would be like night clubs. While Sampa night clubs are similar to the Rio night clubs, I never really found a true Terma like they have in Rio, they may exist but if they do they are not the norm. Although the big clubs in Sampa are much better appointed than their Rio counterparts. Clubs like Cafe Millineum and Bomboa have fantastic facilities and are huge, they would leave any club in Rio for dead in this regard.

All girls fees are negotiable in Sampa and hence tend to be more expensive than the fixed price rates of Rio Terma girls. This is especially true for the big clubs where the price can be double the cost of the most expensive club girls in Rio, particularly when you add in the high entrance fees.

The clubs in Sampa are geared towards locals, as Touristas are very much a minority. I tend to find the clubs a little more conservative than there Rio counterparts in that the music is not quite as loud and the girls are wearing more clothes.

Sampa is towards the southern end of Brazil, which was settled predominantly by white European and hence the girls tend to be predominantly white. Adding to this, there are no beaches within easy access, meaning less tan lines. Hence the girls look different, less color of the rainbow in Sampa than in Rio.

The performance in bed is a matter of opinion, your will find great performers in both cities. CIM and Anal is common in both cities, although a Paulista is more likely to charge extra for such services, where as a Carioca is likely to do it because she likes it.

***Rio:***

The population is around 12m. Probably 20m within 100km. By any measure this is a large city and hence lots of variety is available. The locals are known as Cariocas.

The Rio night clubs are similar to what you will find in Sampa in the way they operate. However the Termas are different. In a terma the weapon of choice for a GDP is a G String. They definitely wear less in Rio.

Moving. No girl on this planet can move like a garotta from Rio. Fuck those girls can move. Most have been dancing since the age of 3. The way they samba in front of you, wearing nothing but a G and a big smile is worth the price of the airfare alone. If you have a list of 50 things you must do before you die, watching a terma girl dance in a terma in Rio will have to be on it. Sampa girls can move as well, although it is hard to compete against the gold medalists when you are "merely" finalists.

The further north you go in Brazil the darker the skin color. This was due to the free'd slaves settling in the north many years ago. Rio is situated more or less in the middle of the country and hence is a melting pot of color. Being a beach suburb, the culture very much dictates that anyone who is anyone goes to the beach on Sunday, the result is even white skin color is often tanned, resulting in those wonderful tan lines. My personal preference when in Brazil is the classic morena, the beautiful mixed skin color you see on the postcards of Rio. That look is less common in sampa. You will of course find every look in Rio you could wish for.

***Summary***. To party for a few days I would definitely go to Rio. However I could not live in Rio, primarily because of the ever present threat of crime. If I was choosing a place to live permanently I would choose Sampa, hell Rio is only a R220 and 40 flight away. Visit them both!

*When I grow up I want to be like Mike - well maybe not*

A friend of mine said he was at Cafe Photo Tuesday night and Mike Tyson came in. Apparently he was quite friendly and had a bit of a chat. Said he liked white girls and hence preferred Sampa over Rio.

Wednesday night I am at Bahamas and guess who walks in - Mike Tyson. He chatted for a while with Oscar (the owner of Bahamas) in the little VIP area next to the main stage and then disappeared. I assumed he was upstairs. I assumed wrong!

When we get back to our hotel in Centro, opposite Love Story, there are a lot of police cars outside. I go home, the Kman goes in. Mike is already in there surrounded by 20 beret wearing police. Turns out he had a minor altercation with a cameraman outside, not a big deal. If only the Brasilian Police would put so much effort into protecting your average tourist there would be an explosion of visitors. Was big news on the local television for a few days.

*Warning: Club Romanza*, just don't go there, every report I have ever heard about this place is of ripping people off. You will also find when asking to a taxi driver to take you to a club they will almost always suggest Romanza, obviously for a commission. Generally speaking (90% of the time) when a taxi driver suggests a place in South America it is the nastiest rip joint in the city. As a rule I am always interested to see what a Taxi driver suggest and then put it on my list NOT TO VISIT.

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 03:04
The Bubba report, updated December, 2005. Part 6a/12 -General Stuff.

***Metro***

The metro system in Rio is very easy to use, this is due to basically only 1 line operating (more or less), hence you won't get easily lost like you could in a web like system that prevails Sampa (although I find that metro easy to use there as well). Basically the metro starts at Rua Siqueira Campos station (Copacabana) and you will head towards centro, the sign will say Zona Norte (north zone). On your return trip head for Zona Sul (south zone). To get to the downtown termas, Urugaiana station is your stop and will take about 17minutes from Rua S Campos. 4x4 and Terma 65 are only 2 blocks to the right of the station as you exit. To hit Terma Aeroporto get off at Cinelandia, for Terma Rio Antigo get off at Gloria, you will need a map to find both of these places but they are only a 10 minute walk from the station.

To use the system you buy you ticket at the booths inside the station. They issue a unitario (R2.25) which is good for 1 trip or a Duplo (R4.50) which can be used twice or if you are really keen a Muliplo (10 trips=R22.50). Once you have purchased your ticket, you insert it into the turnstile which will allow entry. The machine keeps your ticket if it is a unitario and spits it back out the top if it is a duplo. You do not need anything to exit the station. The system is very safe and very clean, although I would not necessarily like to take it past centro up into Zona Norte. I always catch the metro to go to centro, much quicker and safe than a taxi. I also find it ok to ride back even late at night. The whole system is monitored by cameras which encourages the would be thieves to pick other less monitored targets.

For those staying in Ipanema, you can catch the metro buses which drop you to the station at S Campos for free. You buy your ticket on the bus and it is also good for the train portion. When buying a ticket in centro to return, you have to ask for the Ipanema ticket, this will be returned to you by the machine as you enter the station. You then get off at S Campos and give it to the bus ticket collector for you journey back to Ipanema. There are a few limited stops to catch the metro bus to the station. There is a stop near Centaurus, outside the zona sul supermarket, look for the "M" symbol. People line up on the footpath for the bus, join the que.

They are in the process of extending the metro line and eventually it will go to Ipanema and perhaps beyond. There is currently a metro station being built at Rua Miguel Lemos & Rua Pompeu Loureiro, Copacabana. As to when it will open, only the gods know.

To visit 4x4 and the downtown termas see more detail under the Centro terma section.

***Buses***

The bus system has a reputation for being dangerous. While they do drive like fucking lunatics, I find them quite good for getting between Ipanema and Copacabana, not so much to save the cash, but more for the experience. Probably not good to catch them to a far away destination as the danger factor may bite your ass. The cost is fixed and is posted on the front windscreen. The price is usually around R1.80 to R2, you pay the attendant behind the driver sitting in front of a turnstile - you will see them clearly enough. Small bills are best to pay for the fare, a R50 will probably do you no favours.

***Taxis from the Airport***

Taxis should be about R40, maybe a little more in heavy traffic from the main international airport (GIG). The trick is, and most locals do this, ignore the rabid touts and go to the second floor where people are being dropped off (the arrivals) and grab a Yellow taxi there. I always have a quick look to see what the meter has run before I get in and have a quick look around. When I get in the cab another check to make sure the meter is on and cleared and we are on our way. Never had a problem with this. The driver loves it as well because he has got a nice trip back to zona sul (the most likely place he picked up the original passenger). If there is no meter it is most likely a radio cab which are usually white or a dodgy driver trying to grab a few extra bucks, best to grab the Yellow Taxis.

The taxis touts on the first floor will take you to the prepaid booth and charge R65+, do not let them take you directly to a taxi or you will be fucked. I guess is ok for first time visitors to go to the prepaid booth but anyone that has been to Rio more than once should consider going to level 2.

From the domestic airport (SDU), I usually also grab an incoming cab, total tab will run a bout R22 or so. The touts will want R40+. The money saved from this is not the point, I do it because I do not like to be overcharged for services just because I am a tourist.

Taxi drivers will most likely not speak any English, hence it is a good idea to write down the address or show them your reservation slip before entering. Even if you know where you are going they probably won't understand you because the pronunciation of words in Portuguese is significantly different than English.

Generally the taxis around town are quite good, with a trip between Ipanema and Copacabana being R8, nice and cheap, the meter is always used, if it isn't probably best to get out. The taxis outside of the clubs late at night can be problematic. Away from the clubs the service is quite good, cheap and safe, the meter is always used. I spend a lot of time in South America, the first thing I do when getting in a cab is to check if the meter is on, you should get into this habit as well.

Flag fall is R3.50, rate 1 ends at 8pm ish, and rate 2 is slightly more expensive starting at R3.70. All taxis in Rio run "rate 2" 24/7 in December.

***Airports, Rio to Sao Paulo***

LOCAL AIRPORTS: If staying in Sampa you would want to go to Congas (CGU) which is the domestic aeroporto and will run about R30 in a taxi from the center of town. The international (GRU) will run about R80 in a cab because it is quite a distant from town. Likewise best to hit Santos dumont (SDU) the domestic aeroporto when entering Rio. It will run about R20 in a taxi to get you to Copacabana/ipanema. The international (GIG) will be about R40 now. When leaving any airport just ignore the touts and hail a cab from the front. They will usually be dropping passengers and will save you maybe 1/3 off the fare. Be prepared for the plane to hit the breaks pretty rapidly when you touch down, not a very long runway........

***Where to Stay***

99% of all visitors to Rio will stay in Zona Sul. This is the South Zone and includes the so called wealthier suburbs of Rio. So called because even the best suburbs in Rio will be cheap as chips compared to large western cities, think about USD$150,000 for a standard 2 bedroom unit. Yes there are million dollar apartments with ocean views but these make up a tiny fraction of the overall property stock. The overwhelming number of visitors will stay in Copacabana/Leme (the border is the middle of the beach) or Ipanema/leblom (again, the border is the middle of the beach). Copacabana is definitely the centre of the sleaze scene, being dominated by Help, smack bang in the middle of it. It is also close to the metro and the big termas (L'uomo, Monte Carlo and Centaurus). Many first time visitors stay here. Ipanema is only a mile or so away, still very close and very walkable during the day to Copa. Ipanema is the so called Ritzy part of town. Many return visitors stay here preferring the more upmarket surrounds. Both locations are perfectly fine for mongering activities. Ipanema, definitely has the better beach with more upmarket eye candy and less problems although petty crime can be high on both beaches.

Bairros & Postos.
Leme, Copacabana, Ipanema & Leblom are divided into 12 posto zones. They start at Leme, Posto1, and run sequentially along the beach. Help is on Posto 5. The start of Ipanema is Posto 7, Posto 8 contains the gay section of Ipanema Beach. The Caesar Park Hotel, is in a very hip area, which is Posto 9. Posto 12 is in Leblom.

Ok, now that you have decided to stay in Copacabana or Ipanema the next choice you have to make is an Apartment or a Hotel.

*Apartments*

The 2 main advantages apartments have over hotels is 1) They tend to be cheaper, maybe 30% or up to 50% less for longer term stays & 2) There are generally no restrictions on the number of girls you can take back, and of course there are no extra guest fees. You will of course have to keep the noise level down and you and your guests will have to act in a more or less respectable manner when in the general living areas. A naked Help girl in the hallway is not "respectable" and will get your ass kicked out with no refund. After all, these apartments are occupied by 90% local residents that live there every day. Some even come with broadband Internet access these days.

What are the disadvantages then? Well generally apartments in a less developed country like Brazil are....well....less developed. The electrical and water systems are generally straight from the dark ages and can have problems in providing reliable service. The bathrooms and kitchens can be old and tired, even renovated apartments tend to have very shoddy work. The walls are not very thick in some apartments and there is plenty of noise transference from apartment to apartment, adding to the problem, Brasilians are generally very noisy neighbours, they will think nothing of having the music cranked 24/7. The same levels of cleanliness are also not adhered to. In general the place may look ok in pictures when booking it over the net, but when you arrive it may well be older, dirtier and noisier than expected. It can be a downer to turn up to a shitty looking apartment when on your first trip to Rio. If it is your first time in Rio and it is not peak times (Dec to March) you may wish to book a hotel on your first night and go and see a few apartments the next day, contact a few agencies before you arrive, that way you know what you will be in for. If you do book an apartment over the net, only give 1 days rent as a deposit, avoid agencies that ask for more, then if you do turn up to a cockroach fest you can walk away from the deal and find something better. The one exception here is during carnival and new years eve, when all agencies will ask for more or less the duration of rental in advance. Thoroughly inspect the apartment before handing over the remaining cash. There are no refunds!

Agencies: There are a shit load of agencies you can rent apartments from in Rio. Most are one or two men cottage operations, a lot are expats who have become very familar with Latin American ways. I now live half of the year in Latin America and half the year in Western Europe and the most frustrating thing for me is most things move slowly and inefficiently in Latin America compared to the west. Hence, the service levels of these agencies can be frustrating. I have heard good things and bad things from most of them, with maybe the exception of Kenn (http://www.ez-riorentals.com/ ), whom I have only heard good things. I also used Sladtko (and his assistant Rosa Maria) on my last trip and he was very good, bordering one excellent, I was impressed with his honesty and integrity ( http://www.rioholidays.com/ ). The one agency that continues to come up in regards to complaints is http://www.gringomanagement.com/. Have also heard a lot of issues about "Marina", I won't go into details because I cannot verify the details that are quite serious, but I will say I would never deal with her. A positive point about agencies is that they can help you out with language difficulties if required and can generally assist you if needed, although always remember they make their living from charging you for their service, festas they can organise will contain a decent profit margin for them, better to organise one yourself at half the cost. Maid service can also be provided for between R30-R50 (expensive in my opinion considering the maid actually gets paid R20 -R30 per day) a pop as required, but no, you cannot fuck her! Most apartments will come with a safe, but not all, enquire when booking, you really do need one. Make sure you do a search on all the agencies before you use them, search google, the message boards and see what comes up.

Although I have listed a lot of negatives here, I have done so to highlight what to look out for. Many experienced mongers swear by apartment rentals, if you are careful and pick yours wisely the only thing you will have to be concerned with is how many garottas you can nail each day.

NB. If you rent a very upmarket and expensive apartment, chances are you may not be able to take back guests. You may well get away with a very well dressed lady but you certainly won't be able to take help girls up there by the by the truckload. Enquire when booking about guest policy, they will know the situation and don't be embarrassed as a good proportion of their clients will be fellow deviates.


*Hotels*

The advantages. Firstly there are more of them and providing you are not on a package tour you have the flexibility of leaving the next day and finding something more appropriate to your needs if required. Room service everyday is also a major advantage, all that sexo sure does go through a lot of towels and sheets. The majority will come with Internet access and have a good safe to lock you shit up in. The staff will also make sure your guest shows ID before entering and they will record it, this is a good security measure for you.

Disadvantages. Apart from the normal problems with booking a hotel sight unseen, the biggest problem is the "guest policy". Some hotels will not allow guests at all, while some will charge a "guest fee", and some will allow guests sometime and not at other times. The fee maybe R30 - R60 in a moderately priced hotel. Most hotels that do allow guests will only allow one at a time and may charge for each one. All hotels in Rio have a 5% tax added to the bill for lodging, generally not quoted in the rate.

Some hotels I can recommend at the moment that I have stayed at, but please be aware policies can change over night and hence it is best to do research before leaving.

Princess Copacabana, has a sister hotel in Ipanema which I believe is also good. Runs about R200- R300 per night in peak times, very friendly guest policy and when I was there they did not charge a guest fee. Avoid the road side rooms, they are noisy as hell. I believe they have Internet connection now within the rooms for R15 extra, might want to check that. http://www.promenade.com.br/

Partheon Hotels, my last few trips I have started to stay in Ipanema, primarily at the Parthenon Queen Elizabeth . Around R220 per night and again did not charge me a guest fee, but then again I will only have a girl come to my room once or twice per week. If you are trucking them in it may be different. I find the Accor group to be great for hotels all over Brasil and I stay in one of their hotels when in Sampa. They all seem to be guest friendly. All generally have Internet connection within the rooms free of charge.
http://www.accorhotels.com.br/home/home_pt.asp

Sofitel, Although a member of the accor group, probably don't won't to stay there, apparently they do allow guests but insist on a non negotiable R250 guest fee (in other words: they don't want guests) Source: Jaimito Cartero

Marriot, stayed here on my second trip, around USD200 per night, no guests as I was only there a few nights but I believe they do allow them. At the better hotels you will have to make sure your girl is dressed well, a tattoo'd gangster chick you grabbed from the beach probably ain't going to make it in. Great location, a couple of blocks from Help and right on the beach, well as close as you can get anyway.

Copacabana Palace. The most famous hotel in Latin America (maybe), costs about USD250 if booked over the net, a bargain compared with what you would have to pay for a similar hotel in Europe, think USD$750+. Great location maybe 6 blocks up from the Marriot on the beach away from Help. I stayed here on my first trip, at the time they allowed guests, well they did for me anyway, but then the girl I was with was stunning and super classy. In fact she just got married to a rich expat and now lives a life of luxury, good on her I say! Judging by the young girls lying by the pool in the morning I think they let more than just my girl in. On my last trip, a friend stayed there and they definitely did not allow guests.

Both the RioRoiss and the Arpoador Inn are girl friendly apparently.

What to do if your guest is denied entry -

*Motels*

These wonderful Latin American institutions allow you to rent a room for the hour and of course do not mind multiple guests, hence they are ideal for 2 girls or festas (parties), or of course if you have problems getting one girl into your hotel. They run from average to quite luxurious, with the most famous being Vips, ( http://www.vipsmotel.com.br/ ) where the millennium suite has been used to shoot many famous pornos from Private. There are numerous motels in Copacabana and all over the city. They are used a lot by locals who often live in small apartments with multiple members of their family IE no privacy. The Kman once called his "amiga" who happened to be in a motel at the time, "what are you doing there?" he says "I am with my girlfriend" is her reply, Brasilians really love their sex, in Rio anything is possible! They are also surprisingly cheap with good accommodations being had for as little as R40 for a few hours. Even quite luxurious motels will only run R100 for 8 hours. Super luxury like VIP can cost a little bit more, but they do have swimming pools in some suites, the Millennium suite has 2 private pools!! I think it is about R400 for 8 hours. Hotel Sinless not far from VIP is also very good ( http://www.sinless.com.br/ ).

The following post I saved but do not know the posters name. Basically it is planning for a VIP festa. It sounds like a well travelled game plan.

VIPS: Millenium is R$500 for 8 hours; You will also pay an extra R$40 per person over 2 for the Millenium Suite (makes sense to get extra individual rooms at R$75 in case anyone wants privacy or a place to keep their stuff); with the Millenium Suite, you get any two items off the menu. Escorts from Karlas will cost you R$200 for 2 hours; R$300 for 3 hours plus taxi to and from Vips;

Add in drinks, food (and take it with you, don't buy from Vips).

You probably want a minimum of 6 guys to do the Millenium and a good plan is one group of girls for 3 hours-break for 2 hours (eat, recover etc) then another round for 3 hours. Any fewer guys (unless cost is no object) and you might want to consider a smaller suite. Real, Brisa and New Brisa are all good ones.

***Mobile Phones***

You really need a mobile phone when staying in Rio. It is handy to keep in touch with girls, but I find, more importantly, to keep in touch with fellow mongers. If you use the local carriers expect a few more issues than you would in the western world, text messages can go astray, are not always compatible with every network and not all carriers will allow you to send or receive international text message, but for the most part they are OK.

You have 3 options:

Option 1) Bring you own phone on global roaming, but be prepared to be hit with an expensive bill when you get home. You may also find other mongers cannot text you because local carriers are not always compatible with international carriers. Local mongers probably won't want to call you because it will eat up credits very quickly. Not the preferred option but in bind it will work. Make sure you set up global roaming before you go. Don't bet on all carriers to have reciprocal coverage in Rio.

Option 2) Bring you own phone, make sure it is "unlocked" so that it can accept a new sim card before leaving, and add a prepaid sim card from one of the local carriers. You can also buy a local phone for about R200 and add a local ship, but note the local phone will also be "locked" so you won't be able to change carriers should the need arise. Local sim cards require a Passport for ID enabling the purchase. The sim cards cost about R25. You then add credit as you go, which can be purchased from numerous places including the newsstands that dot Copacabana and Ipanema.

To ask for a telephone recharge card In Portuguese.(write it down if necessary).

"Tem cartão para cellular de tim" (have card for cellular of tim or claro)

The cards have varying differing amounts, when they realise you don't speak porto they will show you the various cards, the amount of the card is written in large numbers IE for Tim, R15, R25, R50.

You will need to purchase the card from the actual Telco store to get started.

*Tim* (local carrier)
Tim has a few stores in Copacabana, 1 location is:
Av N S Copacabana 1103B, close to Rua Djaima Ulrich.

They also have a store in Rio Sul where you have a greater chance of finding someone who speaks English(the large shopping centre in Botafago)

To recharge minutes on Tim: (may require some Porto, or get your Hotel staff or friendly GDP to do it for you).
1) Dial *222
2) Listen to port then press 1 (option um)
3) Enter 16 digit code found by scratching off the cover on the recharge card.
4) Press 4 to confirm after the numbers are read back to you. The last word you should here is "com successo"

Sometimes the card does not work straight up. Do not through the card out, keep it and try in a few days, it will work! I do not know why this occurs, it is very Brasilian.

*Claro* (local carrier)
Claro is also another local carrier with coverage over Rio. I find Tim a little better in that their Text messages are compatible with more carriers. However it is an option. There are quite a few stores in Copa and Ipanema ( 1 on Av N S Copacabana ). They also have a large store in Rio Sul shopping center.

Option 3) Rent a mobile phone of one of the apartment rental guys. This is the least hassle way of doing things because it already comes with a prepaid sim card. You can also organise enough credit to get you through the week. The price varies from USD$5-USD$7 per day and most require a deposit of USD$100. A good option for a short term stay only, for longer term stays go for another option.

GDP Calls: Despite earning significantly higher wages than their local compatriots, GDP's never have any money, hence they never seem to have their prepaid mobile filled with any credits. If a GDP calls you she may let it ring 2 or 3 times and then hang up. This is a signal to call her back and of course use your credits as opposed to hers. Another trick they use is by dialling 9090 (doesn't work on all phones) before the number, this is essentially a collect call. You will know this is happening by hearing a Portuguese message being played before your caller comes online. The message is basically saying "do you accept the charges for this call". You can of course hang up at this point or better still use this trick on your unaware gringo friends as revenge for charging red bulls and whisky to your Terma key (Kman you fucker!).

***Internet Cafes***

There are numerous Internet cafes all over Copacabana and Ipanema. They have 1 or more likely, several on each block. For the most part they will speak at least a little English. The Internet Cafes around the generally area of Help will speak more English, a lot of GDP's use these cafés as well as a lot live close to Help.

***Supermarkets***

There are a lot of small supermarkets dotted all over Copa and Ipanema. Generally 2 big brands dominate the area. ZONA SUL & PÃO DE AÇÚCAR. They are quite small, poorly stocked and not very price competitive by western standards. Still, they are good to stock up on 6packs of 1.5l bottles of water, necessities etc.

The cashier will most likely speak zero English, but none the less will ask you a few questions, latinos always ask questions in shops!. One will be "tem cartão de Zona Sul" (do you have a rewards cards for zona sul) or "tem trocar" (do you have change). No place in Brasil ever carries more than the absolute minimum amount of change, hence they are always running out - asking customers for it etc, be prepared for these 2 questions all the time.

***Washing cloths***

Like a lot of things in Brasil you pay for your laundry by the kilo, makes senses I guess. It is also very cheap. Look for the Lavar kilo places (Lava, they are everywhere, you will see the prices quoted in the window. The prices are as follows, you drop your clothes off, they wash it for you and you pick it up the next day or you can have it delivered for the same price (labour is cheap in Brasil)

Lavar e Secar R6 por kilo
Lavar e Secar e passar R10 por kilo

Lavar=wash
Secar=dry
Passar=iron
e=and

An average wash is about 2 kilos.

***Common Ailments***

Every time I go to Brazil I get a sick, one time I was totally laid up in bed for 2 days, seems just about every other Gringo that goes there also gets it and it really can knock the shit out of you and adding to the pain you are constantly thinking about fucking but can't! It is a good idea to OD on Vitamin C or whatever voodoo you normally practice to keep the bugs away before hitting Rio, your immune system may be weakened from the flight, general partying and lack of sleep. I have finally found a solution that works for me. As soon as I feel the affects of a bad headache and muscle aches come on I get stuck into the Antibiotics, the longer the symptoms go without treatment means longer recovery time and less sexo. The one that works for a bad case of the flu is Azitromicina Dildratada (generic name). It costs about R26 for 3 tablets (take 1 per day with food), is available without prescription from the local Drogaria/Farmacia of which there is one on every corner in Copa or Ipanema. They worked so well for me I stocked up on them and keep them in my travel bag. If you don't speak Porto, just write it down and take it to the farmacia, the *back section*, not the cashiers, and they will get it for you. Conjunctivitis (red eye) is also common, if you wake up with a partially closed eye hit the farmacia quickly and it is a good idea to get it checked out by a doctor when you get home, some forms can be more serious than others. Even if only 1 eye is affected you need to put the drops in both eyes because it will most likely transfer.

Tip number 2, for when you get a mild case of Diarrhoea, very common, Diasec works great. About R12 for 12 tablets. You take only one and it should cure the problem, if it doesn't within 24 hours take another one. If you are still having problems, its time to see the doc.

According to the CIA’s official website .7% of the population has HIV in Brazil. The United States has a rate of .6%, hence, relatively speaking, HIV is not a huge problem in Brazil, not compared to some African countries which have rates of 20%+. Having said that though it would not be wise to travel bareback through Brazil. Where a little shirt "camisinha" (Portuguese for condom)

Disclaimer: I am not a Doctor, take the above advice as a guide only.

***Vitamin V & C***

Many mongers come to Rio to fuck like an Olympic athlete, no worries here, the contestants IE "us mongers" are not drug tested after the event, hence artificial assistance is allowed. Virtually every experienced monger is on Viagra or Cialis. If you have never tried them, they work quite differently.

*Viagra* will give you strong wood within 15-30 minutes or so of taking the little blue diamonds and last a few hours, maybe up to 6, depending upon the dosage, amount of sex you have, age and of course alcohol consumed. Despite what you may have heard, you do not constantly walk around "pitching a tent", you only get a chubby when stimulated. Vitamin V is my preferred weapon of choice when going into battle. I usually buy 4x100mg tablet packs, about R125-145 OTC in a Rio farmacia. I then break the tablets into 1/8 pieces, my first session with a GDP will be unassisted then I will take a 1/8 tablet for the second round in a day. Towards the end of my holiday I may have a 1/8 tablet before the first session, and then another before the next session, particular if I have had a few drinkies. I tend to get desensitised after a few days. You can also buy 4x50mg tablets for about R90, however the 100mg are more cost effective. If you intend going down this root while in Rio, do you research on side affects before you go as any V purchased in Rio will have instructions for use only in Portuguese. Some farmacias will try and charge R180 for 100mg V, act surprised and they will come down to the standard R145ish or go to another 1. A small percentage of V takers can experience a head ache after V, hence first time up be sure to be careful and take a small dose.

Ordering from the Farmacia in Rio: If you cannot speak Porto and the pharmacist does not speak English (better than average chance), just right down what you want on a piece of paper and get them to write down the cost, you will work it out. They get a small commission for everything they sell and hence are eager as hell to help you, they even suggestively sell other crap that you probably don't need. Sir, would you like Cialis with your Viagra?- suggestive selling is quite ridiculous in Rio. Remember all the prescription medicine gets ordered to the rear of the store, you will see the counter, usually with a couple of guys/girls in white coats waiting to assist you.

*Cialis* has probably overtaken V in popularity amongst hobbyist. These little tan colored numbers last 36 hours or longer, some have reported effects up to 4 days, hence if you take one on the way out on the town it should be good for at least the following night and early morning as well. I tend to find it does not give as strong an erection as V and requires more stimulation to get a rise. With V, I could be with the ugliest of beasts and still get a strong enough erection to punch a hole through a wall. It comes in 10mg and 20mg tablets. Apparently V & C should not be mixed within a 24 hour period of each other. 4x20mg costs around R95-R100.

Generic V & C is available in Rio farmacias at about 50% of the cost. I personally don't go down this route.

Cheap R3 pill cutters are available at most farmacias.

Disclaimer: I am not a Doctor, take the above advice as a guide only.

***Xylocaina***

While on the subject of pharmacy products, you may notice a lot of girls in Rio will prepare themselves before anal sex with a different tube of lube. This is a local anesthetic called Xylocaina (active ingredient is lidocaine, 2% & 5%, with 5% being the most popular ) and is available in the local farmacias for R12 a tube. If gotten on your skin it can cause slight numbness, goes away in a less than an hour. I mention this more as general knowledge, if your girlfriend back home won't do anal because she thinks it will hurt too much, might want to buy her gift......... Likewise, I have found a lot GDP's are willing to try anal with me, often for the first time, definitely use Xylocaina and go real slow (Porto: devagar) on them otherwise she may not let you have another go at her ass. Have I told you how much I love this place?

***Condoms (Camisinha)***

If you are an average sized western gentleman, you will find the Brazilian sized condom to be a little small. The K Man, on his first trip, came with 5 friends, all of them had a little red ring around their dicks towards the end of their trip. The reason, Brasilian condoms are just to small, and hence pinch the "tip", try explaining that mark to the wife on your return!. Most of the big termas actually stock larger condoms, however the cheaper ones do not, hence it may be a good idea to bring a few regular sized "little shirts" from home. If you have to buy them in Rio, try to look for "Preserv Extra" they are "largura" than your average condom.

NB: The Brasilian word for Condom is Camisinha. A camisa is a shirt, any word with "inha" on the end reflects a diminutive of the subject. Ie a camisinha is a small shirt, I think this is kind of a cute name.

***Changing Money***

On my first visits to Rio the ATM's were the way to go, however they have started to give a slightly less favourable rate and charge a few bucks per transaction. Another problem is foreign cards don't always work and the ones that do work will only give about R1000 a pop during daylight hours, they reduce this amount late at night. Having said that they are nice and convenient. The best banks for my card seem to be Citibank and HSBC. The local banks do not like my card. Use the ATM's during the day, at night they tend to not allow you to withdraw large amounts, for security reasons. Have plenty of cash before the weekend because they generally only reset the daily limit in weekdays, hence if you get the max out on Friday, you may not be able to get any more cash out until Monday. Of course if you carry 2 cards you can get twice the cash out.

*Citibank Locations*

Copacabana:
- Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, 619, Cnr Rua Figueiredo Magalha
(Near "Blockbuster")
- Ipanema & Leblom: Rua Visconde de Pirajá, 459 &229, Ipanema (2 branches)
Rua Ataulfo de Paiva, 1260, Leblom

More branches: http://www.citibank.com.br (Click on "Agencias" for branches)

*HSBC Locations*

Ipanema & Leblom:
- Rua Visconde de Pirajá 259 &608, Ipanema (2 branches)
- Rua CUPERTINO DURAO 219, Leblom.
- R RNH GUILHERMINA 117, Leblom.
Copacabana:
- Av Nossa Senhora De Copacabana, 583 & 817 & 1246 (3 branches)
- Av Princesa Isabel 186, Copacabana (lido end of Copa)

http://www.hsbc.com.br/ is not quite as friendly as the Citibank site, but again look for "Agencias" for locations.

NB: You cannot open a bank account in Brasil unless you are a resident (Do not ask me why!).

Now when in Rio I generally take cash with me. Of course this has its problems in that if you loose it you are basically fucked, having said this I lock the bulk of it in a safe and change enough for a couple of days. I also pay for my Terma bill in USD when in Monte Carlo, L'uomo, Solarium and sometimes at Centaurus (sometimes the rate sux there), the change is given in Reals which works for me. They generally give a better rate than the ATM's or the Cambios. The termas down town still accept USD but give a crappy rate, something like a big hotel would give you. Help is a good place to change a few bucks.

Cambios: In Spanish or Portuguese this word essentially translates to "change" IE change your $ for R. They are everywhere in Copacabana and Ipanema, just look for the sign. They are usually a street or 2 back from the beach and quite often share an office with a travel agency. I have also noticed the Euro is becoming more widely accepted and most cambios quote a rate for Euros as well. I guess this is due to its strength off late against the US peso (sorry guys, I just had to get that one in! go the Euro!!). I have also noticed Cambios in Central give a slightly better rate maybe R7 better than in Zona Sul. Of course you have transport cash into and out of the city which increases the chance of loosing it. Just remember, most cambios in centro don't change cash after 4pm, something to do with security.

The rate on my visit in January05 went something like this for changing USD$100.
Help R275, Terma L'oumo R275, Cambios R265, ATM's R260, Monte Carlo R265. 4x4 R240.
The rate on June05 was Help R260, L'uomo R255, Cambios R245, Monte Carlo R250.
The rate of Oct05 was Help R230, Lummox R230, Cambios R225, Monte Carlo R230, Centaurus R240 (surprisingly).

***Guides***

The only guides name that comes up regularly without complaint is Don from Rio Trips Amerioca Tours. He can organise the local tourist stuff as well as trips to Termas, where he can translate, give tips to first time visitors etc. While I think you do not need a guide for Rio, it is an option for a first time visitor travelling alone as Don knows everyone in Rio, both local expats and the women, and hence can hook you into the local social scene very quickly.

http://www.amerioca.net/

NB: Don is the only person I know of to have his own monogrammed robe (at L'uomo), something I aspire to! Look for the man with "Donald" on his robe

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 03:05
the bubba report, updated december, 2005. part 6b/12 -general stuff.
***favelas***

around 25% of rios 12m souls will live in a slum or "favela". they are generally built on the slopes, sometimes on the best land and are everywhere in rio. even the best areas will neighbour a favela. the favelas have always fascinated me, being from a relatively affluent western country i find it hard to imagine how anybody can survive on $25 per week, the answer to this question is "with great difficulty". the associated poverty causes crime, much of it intertwined with the drug industry. this is not to say everybody that lives in a favela is a criminal, far from it, the maid that cleans your hotel room will most likely go home to a favela at night. most inhabitants are honest people although you cannot say all are "working" as unemployment can be as high as 35%.

the social structure in most favelas are intertwined by the local drug dealers, with the head honcho acting as the mayor. in the small favelas there is usually only one way in and one way out, hence the dealers and there hired hands generally sit atop the hill to watch when the police enter the slum. the dealers and their arms generally keep the peace although when rivalry breaks out for control bloodshed is often the result. it is very common to see and hear bullets flying around at night from your hotel room. i once was awoken at about 4am in my hotel room in copacabana to some serious gun fire coming from the favela, which i guess is about 800meters from the beach. the gun fire continued for about 45 minutes with varying intensity until 3 police choppers went screaming over my room. a few seconds later canon fire was pounding the top of the hill and eventually all went quiet. apparently the police choppers follow the beach up to the point where they are about to attack, while remaining lower than the buildings and hence cannot be seen by the favela dwellers, once they reach their desired point they hit the gas and scream towards the trouble and open fire. do innocent people die? i would assume so. this is why you do not really want to come in contact with the police, they are poorly trained, corrupt and trigger happy. not a good mix. apparently half of all violent deaths in rio are at the hands of the police.

never ever ever wander into a favela by yourself. the entrances are heavily patrolled by the gangs that control the favela, you will be noticed and will be approached by someone to ask what you are doing in there. i cannot say what the outcome will be when you are confronted, it is not a situation i would want to be in. you will be relatively safe when invited and accompanied by a resident of the favela but it is probably not the thing to do on your first trip, you are basically at the mercy of your invitee and would want to trust that person 100%. its also not a good idea to hang around at the entrance. if a girl invites you to her house ask her where it is, if it is along way away from zona sul then it might be a good idea to give it a miss, unless of course you know rio very well.

you can take organised favela tours, usually to rocinha, rios largest slum with around 150,000 inhabitants. the tour did seem a little sanitised for me on my visit as the guide directs you to the more positive aspects of the community, while neglecting the less savoury aspects, which of course interested me. however we were accompanied by a few trainee guides and managed to get the inside gossip out of these surprising shy individuals, we even slipped away from the main guide with them primarily to annoy the lead guide, yes i know, i am a child! now many locals would argue that rocinha is becoming more or less a "middle class" area with running water, electricity and even internet connections in some homes, and hence does not depict a true "favela". well not long after my tour in 04, the favela was basically at war as 2 drug lords vied for power. bodies were piling up for a few weeks, the tours were cancelled due to no guarantee of safety, peace was eventually restored. hence, it is real enough for me. you can do a google search for favela tour and you will get the contact details for the tours.

before making a trip to rio do yourself a favour and get the movie "city of god" or in portuguese "cidade de deus" (comes with english subtitles). it is an excellent movie in its own right, but also shows the interactions within a favela. it is probably one of the best known brasilian movies to make it into the western world. the story is set in an area which is actually called cidade de deus, it is inland from barra da tijuca, bordering on jacarepagua. apparently it is based on a real story, however it could be about any of the 600 odd favelas in rio. there is also a tv series now, cidade dos homens, i have the 2003 & 2004 series, there may be more. not sure if there is english sub titles or not.

***food***

you can get good quality food in rio for a fraction of what you would pay in the west. brazil is now the largest exporter of beef in the world, hence every meal generally comes with meat and rice. although the quality is good, they are a little bit behind in the health stakes, everything tends to have a little bit more fat and salt content than i am used to, hence watch the pounds or better still grab an extra garotta to work off those calories.

*suco bars* (juice bars) - these little eateries are great. they are recognisably by the fruit decoratively stacked on the walls and hanging from every available space. many open early and end late, some are open 24/7. very little english is spoken but you can get by just by looking at the menu hanging on the wall or picking up a few words, most people will be eager to help you order, brazilians are friendly by nature. most meals are a combination sandwhich/hamburger deal with a freshly squeezed juice. most meals will set you back between r5 and r8. that is right between usd$2 -$3.

kice suco is a favourite of mine, open 24 hours (maybe closes for a few hours in winter), they even have a few guys working there that can speak english. more or less a 100m from help on avinida nossa senhora de copacabana cnr rua miguel lemos.

a tip: the locals wrap a napkin around the sandwich/burger so their hands never touch the food. this is to prevent any contamination as they generally do not have anywhere to wash your hands prior to eating and rio has plenty of less than clean surfaces for the said contamination to occur.

must try asaci, it is black, thick, a meal in itself, you may like it, you may hate it, but you must try it - go on be a man, you are in rio for new experiences, that’s what travelling is all about!

for a list of juices in english see the language section.

*churrascarias and kilo places* you can find them by the signs outside giving the price per kilo ie r15. again these places are great and are everywhere in rio. there are many of them in avinida nossa s copacabana. the deal is you go into the restaurant and a lady (usually) waiting at the door will hand you a piece of paper. you then grab a plate and select what you want at a buffet, no language problems here as you don't have to say much. when you have piled you plate up, you hand it to the lady at the end of the line who weighs it and records the number on your paper. usually drinks are brought to your table. the waitress will usually say "tomar" which literally means "to take" as in "what would you like to take a drink (beber)". some even have guys come around to your table with skewers of meat from which they slice pieces and place on your plate, these places are fixed price deals usually. the places that do this have little green and red disks on the table, when you have had enough flip the disk to red, it means "stop bringing me meat i am fat enough". the average kilo/ churrascarias will usually cost around r12, which includes great meat, a drink and salad. fantastic! you pay on the way out, the lady will usually give you back a slip of paper with "pago" (paid) stamped on it to give to the door lady. these places get really busy around 12pm - 2pm, i usually go just before or after as the local pensioners have sharp elbows and are not afraid to use them. there are of course more upmarket churrascarias that will cost more like porcao. i will usually eat at a kilo place at least once a day.

my favourites are:
*kilograma -av nossa sra de copacabana # 1144. (about 3 blocks from help, ipanema side)
http://www.kilograma.com.br/

*solario: av nossa sra de copacabana #1175. (towards the start of a n s copacabana, the street being 1 way, towards ipanema)
great kilo place, in my opinion the quality of the salad and meat is better hear than most other kilo places. a good meal will run about r12.

*grill inn, av nossa sra de copacabana #1182, directly opposite solario.

nb: churrasco- literally translates to bbq. more specifically large skewers of meat are cooked and the waiters bring it to you and slice a bit off.....fantastic. the king of all meat cuts in brasil is "picanha" ([CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) - kan - yah), second best cut "copine"

*the office*

av aires saldanha #92 a, copacabana.
http://www.theoffice-sportsbar-restaurant-brasil.com/

run by a very friendly hat wearing rogue australian who i like very much. great place to watch american sport on the weekends. always american football on sat and sun and sometimes other days. during the week many semi well off locals go to enjoy the live bands and to have a good time, great atmosphere and mix of gringos-locals. need to book a table on friday nights. meals range from r15 for breakfast to r20-r40 for dinner. beer is about r4, juice r4. in the small street behind directly behind help. if you do take a girl there make sure she is not dressed like a "help" girl, respectful casual dress is the code. you can check email for free after a meal. minimum consumption r10. this is my "office" when in rio.

*upmarket restaurants *

the following is not written by me, but by lorenzo, a fellow deviate and contributor.

lorenzo says:-if you like fine dining and are not a penny pincher, and if you find a termas girl that you like and make arrangements for her to take a night off and party with you, why not begin the evening by taking her out to dinner at a fine restaurant? i love to eat and hate to do it alone, but since i always travel alone, this is an ideal way to find myself a dinner companion. however, it's best to do this with someone with whom you have a bit of chemistry. my favorite is antiquarius in leblon, but other excellent dining establishments are satyricon (http://www.satyricon.com.br/ ), yemanja, and even upscale churrascarias like mariu's and porcao. odds are likely that she will never have experienced anything like this, since these places are beyond the reach of all but well to do brazilians. on the other hand, if you are american, western european, or japanese, you will find that even the most expensive restaurants are modestly priced by the standards of your own country. for example, dinner for two at antiquarius, rio's best restaurant, will probably come to less than us$100, including drinks, wine, appetizer, dessert, and tip. we are always talking about a gfe, and to me this is an essential part of a gfe. - lorenzo

nb, marius is actually 2 restaurants next to each other, at the end of leme right on the beach. both the seafood and beef restaurants are excellent. a must do, all you can eat of the finest food for r120 ish for meat or a little more for seafood.

milano: my favourite restaurant in ipanema is milano: the sea bass is excellent as is the risotto seafood (risotto frutas da mar). runs about r100 for 2 people, the same restaurant in europe would be e250+. it is an upmarket restaurant so dress appropriately. smart casual will do.

rua gomes carneiro, 132 ipanema. (21) 2522-0303.
http://www.milanodoc.com.br/

carretao: an excellent churrascaria in 2 locations is carretao. the bill will run about r75 for 2 people. a slightly upmarket restaurant.

rua siqueira campos, 23, copacabana.
rua visconde de piraja, 112, ipanema.
http://www.carretaochurrascaria.com.br/

tia palmira restaurant:

again i cannot remember who posted this, but i saved it on the premise of trying this restaurant, like so many well laid plans in rio i just didn't get the time but will next trip.

"best foodie experience: if you like seafood and bahian style sauces, tia palmira restaurante is without an equal anywhere. top chefs from the us sit
there in awe (or hustle back to the kitchen, if they know portuguese). no
menu: you sit down and they serve you based on the best seafood available
that day. and serve you and serve you. seven appetizer courses, eight
entrees, seven desserts, for a fixed price of 49 reais. come with a driver,
who can roll you back to the car afterwards. great for a special garota.
about an hour southwest of copacabana in a little fishing village (barra de
guaratiba) at caminho do souza, 18. phone: (21) 2410-8169."

*toilets*

generally because the plumbing system in brasil is quite poor, no toilet paper gets put into the bowl. some western standard hotels and apartments have a sufficiently strong system to cope for this, but this is the exception to the rule. hence, whenever you see a paper bin next to the toilet, it will generally be for depositing "used" toilet paper into. if you put toilet paper in the bowl, it will usually clock it, not pleasant for all concerned.

***shopping***

personally i think the shopping in brazil leaves a bit to be desired, generally you can get a far better selection back home, hell america is probably the best place in the world to shop with the best prices for major goods. having said that everyone wants to pickup something to remember brazil by. i usually get a few local t shirts from ipanema or the 2 major malls.

*barra shopping & rio sul*

barra shopping is apparently the largest mall in latin america. by western standards it is medium sized, at best. they do have a good selection of clothes to buy, prices are cheaper for some things but electrical goods are much more expensive than back home. rio sul is probably half the size and worth a look if just to see the eye candy.

barra shopping is located in barra da tijuca, about 30 minutes south of rio proper. runs about r35 in a cab. rio sul is in the next suburb to copacabana. most buses go there.

i personally do not like shopping at the best of times, and hence have resisted all offers to be dragged around a mall by a local garotta and of course be expected to outlay cash. i personally believe to pay a girl a certain rate and under exceptional circumstances a present when i go home but definitely no shopping tours for p4p. many have asked though and i believe the odd gringo does do this. i have heard that many girls will exchange the goods once you have gone, hence it is a judgement call as to if it is really worth it.

*modern sound*

probably the best music store in rio, they have shows at lunchtimes (sometimes), it is nice to browse for music and grab a coffee and watch the show. you must remember shops in brasil are very small compared to the west, hence don't expect to see huge virgin mega store, it is a medium sized store by western standards, but way cool.
rua barata ribeiro, 502 & rua santa clara.

*cigars*

so you are from the us and cubans are banned. no problem in rio, although due to them being expensive not many shops carry them. many 5 star hotels have a good selection and you can smoke them in the bar, albeit it at a price. the second level bar in the marriot is great.

try http://www.eschcasadelhabano.com.br , one of the more famous cigar cafes around. the restaurants are great to eat in, nice and upmarket, and of course you can puff away before/during/after your meal. they have 2 shops/café/restaurants, one of them is only a block away from terma quatro por quatro (4x4) and is on the same street as terma 65.
their locations are:
ria do rosario, 107, centro.
rua dias ferreira, 78-a, leblon.

***movies***

most western movies that are played in brasil are left in tact with portuguese sub titles, hence it is a viable night out for you and a garrota. brasilian girls are actually great to go to the movies with, they are always up for a bit of affection and will probably start stroking you dick with in the cinema.

for movie playing times you can visit this site.
http://www.severianoribeiro.com.br/

cinemas:-

roxy: in copacabana cnr rua bolivar & av n s copacabana
rio sul: has a good size cinema complex.
barra da tijuca: has the cinema that all the girls want to go to. be careful when travelling down there at night. the roads back are dangerous and often road blocked by police so make sure you have id (passport) so they can't extort a bribe from you. the cinema is new york and it is the biggest in rio..

http://www.cinemark.com.br/

***driving***

you can rent a car relatively cheaply in brasil. however they do drive very poorly, no real thinking ahead or thinking of the consequences of what might happen after the fact. very frustrating. the death rate is about 10 times higher than in your average western country on a per capita basis hence drive very carefully!

when out on the country be careful to see speed cameras. they have a low tolerance level and just a few kilometres per hour over the posted limit will see you pinged. the fines are quite high, r300-r900. on rental cars they will add it to your bill after you are probably back home because it takes a few days/weeks to process, and you cannot dispute the charge. hence if you are in the country and see a lot of people break suddenly, take a good look around and there will probably be a camera. they are marked by signs.

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 03:08
I have posted this in the report section, when there has been a chance to comment, hopefully I will pick out any mistakes and then shoot it over to Jackson.

I will post the other 6 sections amanha (Ie brasilian time, meaning could be in a few days), the other sections are not as long.

Rio Bob, be nice!

Rio Bob
12-16-05, 03:59
I have posted this in the report section, when there has been a chance to comment, hopefully I will pick out any mistakes and then shoot it over to Jackson.

I will post the other 6 sections amanha (Ie brasilian time, meaning could be in a few days), the other sections are not as long.

Rio Bob, be nice!

Good to see that your spending your time wisely, great report, Im going to print it out and read it on my next 10 hour flight to Rio.

James Howard
12-16-05, 06:43
Great job Bubba.

Exec Talent
12-16-05, 20:36
a section on telling lies about fellow posters to termas girls and the repercussions.

Comgo
12-16-05, 22:05
a section on telling lies about fellow posters to termas girls and the repercussions.

Bubba Boy is the person that did that to you? Or am I inferring incorrectly?

Bubba Boy
12-16-05, 23:01
The story was this, exec asked me to tell Laura at L'uomo, because I know her, that he loves her and misses her etc. I told exec my policy is not to speak to girls about other guys, because it always causes problems. He posted on a couple of boards that anyone that should see her, should tell her that he loves her. He has posted about her on this board numerous times, I would estimate 1000+ people have seen his posts about her. He kept asking me to speak to her, I kept refusing. Now it turns out that someone said something about exec to her and it caused a problem. I have told exec over and over that I never spoke to Laura about him. In fact I have only spoken to her in passing, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last few months, and and basically I only say "hi hows it going" type of stuff. I have never even "done her" so to speak, hence we aren't even that close. I have no idea why he thinks it was me and basically he is annoying the shit out of me by sending numerous PM's in the last week. I keep politely telling him it wasn't me, I am doing my best to be polite about the situation.

Comgo
12-17-05, 01:14
The story was this, exec asked me to tell Laura at L'uomo, because I know her, that he loves her and misses her etc. I told exec my policy is not to speak to girls about other guys, because it always causes problems. He posted on a couple of boards that anyone that should see her, should tell her that he loves her. He has posted about her on this board numerous times, I would estimate 1000+ people have seen his posts about her. He kept asking me to speak to her, I kept refusing. Now it turns out that someone said something about exec to her and it caused a problem. I have told exec over and over that I never spoke to Laura about him. In fact I have only spoken to her in passing, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last few months, and and basically I only say "hi hows it going" type of stuff. I have never even "done her" so to speak, hence we aren't even that close. I have no idea why he thinks it was me and basically he is annoying the shit out of me by sending numerous PM's in the last week. I keep politely telling him it wasn't me, I am doing my best to be polite about the situation.

BB, from all your past posts, I believe you and I think that it's a case of mistaken identity. You definitely don't seem like the type to do such a thing. Hopefully, ET will find out who really did it.

James Howard
12-17-05, 03:53
Now it turns out that someone said something about exec to her and it caused a problem.Exec,

Try asking her who said what and what was said. Then go stomp whichever fool's ass snitched away. Hey, it's Brazil, and I know a guy who'll do it for you for a couple reais.

Good luck.

Lorenzo
12-17-05, 07:03
Bubba Boy,

Thanks for quoting my comments on Rio restaurants. However, I think the prices I mentioned there are a little out of date. That was written when the real was valued at about US$.35. I think that today that price estimate would have to be increased by 20-30%, which is still less expensive than comparable restaurants in the US, western Europe, or (especially) Japan. The rest of your report was excellent, by the way; keep it up.

Lorenzo

Junior
12-17-05, 07:46
Fellow mongers,

I just returned from a 10 day Terma trip in beautiful Rio. This was my 4th and final trip of the year, but clearly I will be back next year.

The bad news first. Prices are going up - Luomos new prices have already been discussed on the board and I think the other Termas will follow suit. Selection at the Termas was average compared to past trips.

The good news. Termas are still the closest place to heaven on earth. There are plenty of naughty girls available.

My two regular Termas are Luomo and Centaurus. I have been going to both of them for 6 years so I know most of the regular employees and quite a few of the girls by now.

Luomo has the best atmosphere and is definetely more relaxed than centaurus. I spend time with Ingrid who is more stunning than ever. She has been on a diet and has given up alcohol. She is absolutely great in bed. Duda is beautiful morena who is also good fun in the quarto. During one of our sessions my fingers were a bit too active and her ensuing orgasms were loud and unmistakeable. I also had one session with Fernanda - a new beautiful black girl. Unfortunately she needs more experience as her skills leaves something to be desired - any volunteer teachers?

centaurus was as always my regular haunt. The biggest problem was the number of girls I had to turn away. There were many doable girls and overall the quality is still the best in Rio.

I discovered a few new facts about the places. You can take a girl out for the entire night. But it will set you back R$2200. You do not have to pay everything upfront, but can get in by paying the entrance fee only. Having said that I never left without having to pay for a couple of programmes anyway.

If you are known to the girls and they trust you - both for their own security and not to tell their boss - you can easily arrange for a girl or two to show up at your hotel after work and spend the night. I did this on most nights and paid R$3-400. This is of course easier to do if you speak portuguese. Hint: bring some hotel stationary with the name and address on as well as a pen.

I did not have any bad sessions at centaurus - but neither did I have any mindblowiing sessions like some of the truely memorable sessions I have had in the past at centaurus.

I spend time with the following girls: (looks, sex)
Elena (8,8) - blond, very good oral
Patricia (7,8) - black, very good oral - ate o final
Lara (9,9) - morena, just very good.
Barbara (10,9) - morena, best looking girl in the house
Mara (7,7) - morena, new at centaurus, but still experienced
Bia (8,8) - morena, good allround performance
I forget the rest.

A hint on personal healthcare. I always bring my own condoms. Also use Listerine or something similar to rinse your mouth after each session. Before you leave Rio go to a pharmacy and pick up some strong antibiotics and take a treatment to kill any leftover bacteria or infection. I recommend Zithromax or Cipro - this is based on personal experience, I am not a doctor.

For details regarding dining, transport etc - I cannot add much value to the fantastic report by Bubba. I do take my favorite Terma girls out to the good restaurants - mainly marius and porcao. Trust me it pays of big time in bed afterwards.

Enjoy Rio.

Jaimito Cartero
12-17-05, 10:07
The story was this, exec asked me to tell Laura at L'uomo, because I know her, that he loves her and misses her etc. I told exec my policy is not to speak to girls about other guys, because it always causes problems. He posted on a couple of boards that anyone that should see her, should tell her that he loves her. He has posted about her on this board numerous times, I would estimate 1000+ people have seen his posts about her. He kept asking me to speak to her, I kept refusing. Now it turns out that someone said something about exec to her and it caused a problem. I have told exec over and over that I never spoke to Laura about him. In fact I have only spoken to her in passing, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last few months, and and basically I only say "hi hows it going" type of stuff. I have never even "done her" so to speak, hence we aren't even that close. I have no idea why he thinks it was me and basically he is annoying the shit out of me by sending numerous PM's in the last week. I keep politely telling him it wasn't me, I am doing my best to be polite about the situation.


Gosh, just asking someone to tell a GDP that he loves them seems a bit teenagery to me. Come on guys, think with the big head!

What's that old 50's or 60's song? "Tell Laura I love her.... Tell Laura I miss her". Damn, now I'm going to have that crappy song in my head all night.

Bubba Boy
12-17-05, 14:15
Hi Lorenzo,

I have just added what you have said. If you would like to change anything else in "your restaurant guide", please PM, and I will add it.

Member #4156
12-17-05, 15:21
This Terma is great, it is by far the biggest Terma in Rio and I just love it. The girls can be described best as having a "Gangsta" look with plenty of Ink. It is set up primarily for the locals, hence the predominant shape is big asses, but all shapes and sizes are present, and many touristas do go there. On some trips I sometimes struggle to find a girl I like here because my taste leans more towards a slim clean look - sem (without) tatoos, however with over 100 girls, one can always find something, quality by quantity I have heard it best described. The atmosphere here is great, local Brasilain and US funk plays HARD.

Good looking out for the report Bubba and thanks for the shot out. **Making mental not to make sure I return to 4x4** 4x4 seems like my type of place. Didnt get a chance to tour the place on my last trip because as soon as I entered the boite I got snatched up so my memories of the talent there are cloudy.

BTW, are you going to put up directions on how to get to villa mimosa?

Double
12-17-05, 20:09
Great post, I love the recommendations that you gave. I actually ran into a situation where I needed a pen and stationary and did not have it to write a number down. Needless to say, but as soon as my foot hit the street I had forgotten the number. I also did not realize that you can buy antibiotics over the counter in Brazil. I will definately go in and buy a treatment to return home with the next time.
Good stuff,
D

Euro100
12-17-05, 21:37
@ET: There must be more to your suspecting BB to be the one snitching on you. Remember, you also told me to give a message to Laura. And perhaps you told others, too. And I don't think you suspect me of doing this. So is there more?

I don't think that I have met BB. But from all that I can read from him in this forum, he seems to have high standards and an honorable conduct. Well, I have to put a ;) next to this one, because after all we are all cheating lying mongers ;).

(BTW, in the end I did not have the opportunity to meet Laura on my last trip. So it really wasn't me ...).

euro

Euro100
12-17-05, 21:54
Hint: bring some hotel stationary with the name and address on as well as a pen.

Pens are easy to come by. All the girls will easily produce one if needed. But the hotel note pad is a very very good suggestion. I have done this on my last trip to Rio, and it made my life much easier. For the life of me, the girls cannot understand it when I try to pronounce street addresses and numbers. But when they see it on printed stationary, bingo. It also has the advantage that they can be a bit more secure knowing that you are not going to lure them into some rat hole.


A hint on personal healthcare. I always bring my own condoms. Also use Listerine or something similar to rinse your mouth after each session. Before you leave Rio go to a pharmacy and pick up some strong antibiotics and take a treatment to kill any leftover bacteria or infection. I recommend Zithromax or Cipro - this is based on personal experience, I am not a doctor.


Listerine is very good. It is also in my arsenal. But if you do not have this at hand, at least use their (FREE!!!) single-use packages of tooth pate and brush.

I would, however, be careful with the antibiotics. This is a double-edged sword. In America the use of antibiotics is rampant, which has been counter-productive. If you catch a virus, antibiotics will not do shit for you, at best fight secondary infections. But they can be dangerous, because if you do not follow your treatment of antibiotics through until the very end, then you can have leftover germs that become resistant against this type of antibiotic. And there are only a handful of different types of antibiotics. So you need to be careful before you take actions that render one of them useless for you.

Just my take on this; I am not a doctor either - so make your own judgement.

euro

Bubba Boy
12-17-05, 22:54
@ET: There must be more to your suspecting BB to be the one snitching on you. Remember, you also told me to give a message to Laura. And perhaps you told others, too. And I don't think you suspect me of doing this. So is there more?

He also sent it to 2 other people that I know of, so he must have sent it to a shit load of people. My only mistake was to be stupid enough to admit that I knew her. I guess I was the only one to know her, so he assumes it was me. I repeat, I HAVE KNOW INTEREST IN SPEAKING TO A TERMA GIRL ABOUT A GUY. I AM NOT THERE TO SPEAK ABOUT GUYS!

Bubba Boy
12-17-05, 22:55
The Bubba report, updated December, 2005. Part 7/12 - Security, Police and Scams

**A night at Nuth - always carry your passport with you when you leave zona sul**

Headed down to Nuth, a very popular club (if not the most popular nightclub in Rio) in Barra on a Friday night with 4 experienced mongers. All knew to carry passports. On the way there we get stopped on Ave Niemayer in a Police roadblock. First thing they ask is if everyone has passports and secondly if anyone has drugs. No problems here. Everyone gets back into the taxi breath a sigh of relieve and are on our way. Not more than 3 miles down the road, close to Rocinha we get stopped again. Same procedure, but with one twist. One of our guys is a black American that speaks excellent Portuguese. One of the cops is black, not overly common in some parts of Rio as the white Portuguese tend to dominate this lucrative profession. My friend is always very friendly and generous with local black Cariocas - who tend to make up the majority of people that live in favellas and are generally the most under privileged of all Cariocas . They have a chat, a laugh and even sit in the police car for a while. We are standing near the taxi, thinking we want to get the fuck out of there and not push our luck. Turns out our friend offers the young black cop a gift of R50, the young black cop asks permission of his boss to accept this gift. The boss gives the go ahead. Upon returning to my friend the local black cop tells us his boss has drugs and is willing to sell us some. My friend declines despite being an avid smoker "maconha" (Marijuana in Porto). It would have been very interesting to see if he had actually bought some drugs. I am thinking there is a 50/50 chance of something going HORRIBLY WRONG if the poorer decision was taken. Ironically we get stopped again on the way back and it is the same young black cop. We are on our way quickly.

Another friend of mine got stung for R200 coming back from Villa Mimosa. He didn't have his passport, the cops acted very concerned and knew they had an easy target, he shit himself and caved. He has been to Rio many times but never learns. Another friend, a very experienced Rio monger got stopped on Ave Niemayer in a road block, cost him R10, he speaks perfect Portuguese and he knows his shit, hence the difference in the "price" he paid.

A possible defence would be to not speak any Portuguese and discourage anyone from trying to translate for you. Hope that the police lose interest and move on. They really don't want to take you to the station, would cut into their time on the street and hence limit their opportunity to make cash. Either way it is not a good position to be in.

If you ever leave Copa at night, always take your passport. As a gringo you are required under Brasilian law to carry it at all times.

**The shoe shine scam - the shit flingers**

When walking along the beach side walk watch out for the "shit on you shoe" scam. It involves a kid placing a "shit like" oil based substance on your shoe, then the kid will come up beside you and offer to clean it off. Amazingly they are very good at placing it on you with you knowing. They will try to charge you as much as they can get away with, think R10-R30 if you look particularly green. I have been hit once, I waved my finger at him which is the Brasilian way of saying "I know what you are up to" them waved him away, when he came back I basically yelled at him to go away in Portuguese. This trick sometimes involves an accomplice who will rob you, particularly when you get hit on the side streets leading up to the beach. A little bit of detergent and paper towel gets the muck off. Never ever stop and let the kid clean it, if he is persistent act irritated, wave you finger and head and walk off fast. Whenever I see a show shine guy now on the beach side of Avinida Atlantica I look for his accomplice, there is always 2 of them. You will notice them to, searching out for green tourists.

A good rule of thumb when in Rio, if anybody tries to approach you on the street ignore them and keep walking, even pick up the pace. It will usually involve a scam or they will be slowing you down so someone else will come up and grab whatever they can get. Even little kids that may look cute will do this, just ignore them, enough of them together will be distracting enough for them to go through your pockets.

**Avinida Atlantica, Copacabana is one of the most dangerous streets at night**

Every problem I have had in Rio, and there has been a few, has been on Avinida Atlantica or within a block or 2 of Help, all at night. The local bandidos know where the tourists are and that’s where they head. I have been nearly robbed several times- one time came to blows- they didn't get anything and we didn't get hurt - lucky there was no weapons, they had the numbers we had the size. They beat a hasty retreat. I was angry with myself being stupid enough to walk into them, that I had let my guard down because there were lots of people around at 9pm. My rule is if I can't see weapons they won't get anything from me, I had a troubled youth and hence am quite ok with a little bit of sporadic violence, if they do have visible weapons, then they can have anything I am stupid enough to be carrying at the time. A first time visitor should really offer no resistance to any attempted robbery. Everybody should carry only a small amount of cash in their pockets, hide the rest somewhere else.

Another time my same friend was on his way to the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy with one of the instructors. He was again approached by 4 thugs that asked for his money, he simply pointed and said "speak about that with my buddy", the instructor basically said "come on guys, you don't want to do something stupid now". They fled quickly horrified that they had offended some one from Gracie. The point of the story is that the thugs are really not that hard, the judgement one needs to make is if they are carrying weapons or not and of course if it is worth the hassle.

http://www.gracieacademy.com/

*A post by Euro 100, ISG*

Euro 100 says: "Here was the plan: take a stroll down the Av. Atlantica on the side with all of the street cafes and find a place for a light meal, hang out for a while, and then head to Help at 11:30. It was not to be.

I had walked past the Rio International hotel when a scummy-looking little guy asks me for the time. I motion to my wrist and show him I have no watch, keep walking. About ten steps later I see a guy walking over from some trees and keeping pace with me, narrowing the sideways distance between us until he gets just two meters away from me. This distracts my attention sufficiently so that I do not see yet another guy who is coming from the other direction and heading straight for me. That guy pulls a knife and motions it towards my throat, grabs the front of my shirt with his other hand.

Military training takes over, and despite my intention to just hold still and let them take my wallet, my right hand grabs his knife-hand by the wrist and bends it back. This guys is surprisingly weak, and for a moment I entertain the thought of ramming his own knife into his underbelly. But then the other guy who walked alongside me is all over me, plus the guy who asked for the time is on my back. Two more guys appear from nowhere. One holds my free arm back, the other searches my pockets.

All of these guys are probably in their early twenties and a head shorter than me. Since I still hold on to the knife-hand, I calculate the odds of beating the shit out of all of them. None of them feels tough, but then again I am not the black belt I used to be any more. And I worry that there may be other knifes. So, despite being high on adrenaline, my rational brain wins, I just hold still and let them go through my pockets. They ignore the cigarettes and matches, and only take the wallet. Less then 10 seconds after it started it is over, and they run for the shadows.

Now I realize that my daily preparations were well worth my time. I had taken a crappy old wallet to Brazil for exactly such an occasion. I had only about 70R in the wallet and nothing else, no ID, no credit card, nothing. My credit card and ID are hidden in a secret little pocket that came with my khakis and is located right under my belt. I had $50 stashed in the cigarette box, to change at Help. And of course my belt itself has an inside zipper with $200 emergency cash folded up in it. So the robbers only got 10% of what they could have gotten out of me." Euro 100.

I have heard this same story so many times, just the name of the person telling it varies. Funnily enough I was actually walking on the same street as Euro, at the same time, could have been me.

***Help or General GDP Scam (also appears in Help section)***

A few GDP's in Help will know and have the cell phone of a local Policeman. A popular scam, which is not common and will generally only be tried on a green newbie is as follows. The girl will go up to the apartment, then start yelling over basically nothing, causing noise, which in turn will cause a problem with your neighbours and ultimately you. She will then accuse the newbie of doing something inappropriate and call the Police. The Police she actually calls will be known to her and hence won't be on your side. When they turn up they will try and get as much cash out of you as possible, threatening jail etc, in short if you do talk to them and your Portuguese is limited you will be in deep. You really don't want to speak to the Police under these circumstances. If it does happen to you, I would turn off the lights and just not open the door to them. They cannot legally enter (for what that is worth). If I could leave the apartment for a few hours and get the fuck out of there, it would also be a good option. The best solution is to avoid the problem in the first place, SCREEN ANY GDP HEAVILY.

Bubba Boy
12-17-05, 22:58
The Bubba report, updated December, 2005. Part 8/12 - General Tourist stuff.

This may surprise many of you but there is, actually, non mongering things to do in Rio De Janeiro. Now because you told everybody back home you are going to Rio to "experience the culture and see the sights" you will have will actually have to go out and see the touristy things and to take some pics. In all seriousness, it is a very beautiful city geographically and is well worth going out seeing it.

I have listed the 4 must do tourist activities. There are of course many more sights to see, but that is not the focus of this report. If you are in Rio for a week you should at least go out and see the 4 listed below.

***Must do #1. Corcovado, The Statue of Christ (Cristo Redentor)***

You simply must just go up and see the stature of Christ. It is very impressive to stand atop one of the most famous sites in the world and look down on the beautiful city of sin below.

From line of site it is only about 5 miles from Copacabana, but because it is on top of a mountain, to get there, you must go around-about way. Hence, no matter which way you go, it will take about 30 minutes to get there from Copa/Ipanema.

Options.

Normal or Radio taxi: Will require about 90-120 minutes, a hotel can arrange a Radio taxi which will be more comfortable but more expensive. You could simply grab a cab off the street and head up there. You will also have to pay for entrance to the national park, per person.

Taxi/Trem: You can catch a taxi to the trem point and head up that way. The trem is a rickety old thing but worth it for something different.

Bus/Trem: You can catch a bus to the trem starting point and catch that.

Tip1. Don't plan ahead a definite day to see the stature. It is quite high and hence gets covered in clouds quite often. Hence, before you go up, have a look from the street what the cloud situation is like. You can see the statue or at least the general direction from a number of points around copa/ipanema. When you are confident it will be clear head straight up.
Tip2. Due to its height take some warm clothing. It will be about 15C (30F) colder up there than at ground level. When you add in wind chill it can be even colder. If you are taking a local girl up, make doubly sure she has warm clothing, they get colder than gringos because they really never get to experience cold weather and they never think ahead.

***Must do #2. Sugar Loaf (PÃO de AÇÚCAR)***

A lot of people confuse Corcovado and PÃO de AÇÚCAR. They are similar in that they are both atop large granite outcrops and offer great views of the city. They are both worth a visit. Sugar Loaf is much easier to get to and because it is not quite as high, it does not get affected by cloud cover as frequently.

It is actually 2 granite crops connected by 2 cable cars. You catch one car to the first outcrop, hang around, take some pics and then when you are ready get on the second cable car to take you to the top. For James Bonds fans, in the movie "Moonraker", 007 battles with "jaws" on this cable car. I believe it was built at the turn of the century.

It is located one small beach up from Copacabana. It is a R12 cab ride from Copacabana which will take you past Rio Sul, or about R16 from Ipanema as you have to go through Copa. You could of course catch a Bus to Rio Sul shopping centre and walk (about 20minutes) if you wish to save a few bucks. When catching a cab back to Copacabana/Ipanema walk out of the car park and onto the street proper and flag a cab. The cabs that wait for you in the actual car park are special "PÃO de AÇÚCAR" (quite clearly written on the side of the car) cabs and because they are so special they do not use the meter. I believe they have a fixed chart of fares, but it works out about 2 times as expensive as a normal cab.

Tip1. Again take some warm clothes just in case. It can get chilly, particularly when the wind blows. Tickets up are about R30 per person.

***Must do #3. The beach***

Sunday is a great day to walk from Copacabana to Ipanema along the street, which is closed to traffic. I find Copacabana more tourist orientated and hence there are more scammer present. Ipanema is my preferred beach to catch some rays. I like Posto 7 to Posto 9. At Ipanema, a beach chair (Porto: cadeira) will cost about R3 to rent for the day, you can pay when you return it. If you wish to purchase a cotton beach like towel (Porto: a canga) it should set you back about R15 if you are a local, anymore and you are paying tourist prices and hence should walk away and go to the next guy. A cadeira or a canga will cost more directly opposite the heavy tourist areas of Copacabana, another reason I prefer Ipanema.

***Must do #4. Trip to Centro.***

Centro is entirely different from the touristy area that is Copacabana. I think everyone should catch the Metro downtown and soak in the local atmosphere. Try to avoid the metro in peak hours if possible, it can get very crowded and although it is still perfectly safe, it can get uncomfortable with the crush of people. Of course you can combine this with a trip to 4x4.

***Where to take a girl on a date: Some suggestions***

(I borrowed this heavily from another post, sorry I did not keep the posters handle)

Cinema - best places are the shopping malls such as Barra Shopping, Rio Sul. Films are shown in original language, except some kiddy films that are dubbed (dublado).

Parks - botanic gardens are superb, monkeys and squirrels to see. Some quiet areas to get friendly in on the hillside in the forest. Also Parque Lage which is nearby. On the lagoa there's Parque do catacombas where you can hike to the top of the hill for fantastic views of the lagoon and Ipanema/Leblon.

Corcovado - go afternoon and see the sunset. Buy some fruit at the restaurant near the top and feed the coatis when they come out at sundown. They have concerts at night, romantic and great views. Sugar Loaf is also good. Believe it or not, a lot of locals from Rio have never visited the big tourist attractions and hence will be more than happy to go to them with you.

Terra Encantada - the fun fair on Ayrton Senna in Barra. Plenty of rides and good fun.

Rio Water Park - Recreio, for a day on flumes and the like.

The Beach - You are in Rio.

Live music - buy a newspaper for details. Vinicius in Ipanema for great Bossa Nova.

Museums and art galleries - Rio has loads.

The zoo in Rio is close to the Maracana stadium. (Zoo is quiet poor)

Other good places to take non-pro's is the MAC museum in Icarai, Niteroi (the flying saucer shaped building you may have seen in photos). You get great views of Rio from there, if you walk down towards the little island with monastry and take a right turn, you come to a bar where you can watch the sunset with good views of centro and all the advertising lights. Very nice atmosphere.

Bubba Boy
12-17-05, 22:59
The Bubba report, updated December, 2005. Part 9/12 - Language.

Due to the Portuguese settling Brazil, the language in Brazil is Portuguese, not Spanish as most people not unreasonably assume.

The following is a few terms you may find useful. I have added a few you won't find in a guide book, for obvious reasons. It is not meant to be a comprehensive guide, just a start. Before going it is definitely worth getting a language course, not only will it be helpful, but it is incredibly rewarding to learn a new language. If you eventually become fluent in Porto you will be able to understand Spanish (to a degree) and to a lessor degree Italian (well you will be on your way), they are derived from the same language, hence it is worth it.

Every person I have ever spoken to that has studied Portuguese via CD's agrees the Pimsleur Portuguese series I,II & III are the best to get you started. If you finish all you will not be fluent but you will be on your way to understanding basic stuff. The one criticism about Pimsleur was that they were very expensive, about USD$200 each series. Of course many people downloaded these for free from the various elicit sources, which is probably why you can now buy the complete legitimate series in MP3 format for USD$150 (search on Ebay or google). You will also be well served by buying a Pocket sized Portuguese dictionary to take with you.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/ is also a rough translation guide. (it ain't perfect by any means)

NB: Portuguese is pronounced quite different to English.
NB2: I am purposely keeping this section very short. It contains the very basics.

**Most important words GDP**

Safado/a, You will here this a lot when talking to the girls. A safado, when applied in this text, is literally a guy (or girl= Safada) that screws around a lot. You will be called such if you bang another girl in front of a terma girl you have already done. You may also here it screamed when you are banging a girl, IE she is liking it, it is a good term. Like many things in Brazil, some things have 2 meanings.

Gostoso/a, Another term you will here when banging away (if you are doing it right). Basically means she likes it/you. Of course many girls will use "Gostoso" a little bit to much to be believable, don't take GDP's to serious.

o/a = masculine/feminine. Ie when referring to a man you would say Safado, when referring to a female Safada.

chato, = boring, you will hear this a lot when a girl is not pleased.
mentiroso/a = a liar, you will hear this a lot when you deny banging a GDP's friend.
divertido/a = fun, as in to have, a good thing to hear.

**Questions for a girl**

Voce chupa sem camisinha? = Do you suck without a condom?
Você faz Tuda? = Do you do everything?
Você faz sexo anal? = Do you do anal sex
Você gosta de sexo anal? = Do you like Anal Sex
Eu poso gozo na sua boca= Can I cum in your mouth?
Culo = anal sex (I believe this is Spanish but used widely in Brasil)

**Most important words general (think Pimsleur Volumn 1)**

Obrigado/a = Thankyou (Man always says Obrigado, a women always says Obrigada)
De Nada = Your welcome (in Rio "De" is pronounced "Ge" IE "Ge Nada")
Por Favor= please
Que sue nome? = What is your name. (this is the first thing every girl will ask)
Como se chama = What is your name (literally: how to be called)
Meu Nome = My name is.......(this is your reply)
De= from or of
Onde = where
De Onde (você) = of where (literally: where are you from?)
sim = yes
não = no
um/uma = 1 or "a" ("um" refers to a masculine object, "uma" femine)
um pouco = a little
Eu= I
Eu Vou = I go ,
Você vai = You go.
Nos vamos =Lets go (note the different forms the verb "go" takes)
Eu fui = I went (or I was)
Você Foi= You went
beber = drink
você = you (informal)
Garoto/a = boy/girl
Tem= Have , Important when asking if some has something, IE "Tem água"
Você tem troca = Do you have change? ("tem troca" is OK to say)
Falar = (to) Speak
Você fala Portuguese = Do you speak Portuguese?
Bonito/a = beautiful
Lindo/a = beautiful
Louco/a =crazy
e = and
é = it is
Agora = now
água = water
com = with
sem = without
água com gas = water with bubbles
água sem gas = water with bubbles
meia =6 , literally means "half" as in half a dozen. phone numbers are spoken this way
Como = how
querer= want, Eu quero (I want), Você quer (you want)
precisar = need
gostar = (to) like
gostaria = (I) would like
quanto custa= how much cost (does it cost)
quanto é= how much is it
Quantos anos você tem = How old are you? (literally: How many years do you have)
Eu não entendo = I don't understand
Devagar = slow (you will here this before Anal, means go slow!)
Bunda = ass
Achar = (to) think
Nos vamos meu hotel agora = lets go to my hotel now
Eu não sei = I dont know
Não sabe=
Para Quanto tempo = For how long?
um pouco mais = a little bit more
Voce quer uma bebida = Do you want a drink?
Onde voce mora = where do you live?
Quero duplas = I want two girls
Cachorro = dog
Desculpa = Sorry or excuse me
Posso tenho sua numero = Can I have your number?
Ontem = Yesterday
Amanhã = Tomorrow
Talvez = maybe
Perto daqui = close to here
fica longe daqui = far from here
Quanto custa para entrar = How much to enter
mesa por dois = a table for two
Você tem tempo agora = Do you have time now?
Você quer ir comigo = Do you want to go with me
difícil = difficult
fácil = easy
bonito/a = beautiful (a man is a "bonito", women is a "bonita")
lindo/linda = beautiful (as well)

**List of juices**

Suco de = Juice of

Suco de laranja = Orange Juice
Suco de Maca = Apple juice
Suco de Abacaxi = Pineapple juice
Suco de Melencia = Watermelon

**Numbers**

For a list a complete list of numbers grab guide book. Remember when negotiating with a girl numbers are written the same, hence grab a pen if necessary or use sign language.

0 zero
1 um (M), uma (F)
2 dois (M), duas (F)
3 três
4 quatro
5 cinco
100 cem
150 cento e cinquenta
200 duzentos
300 trezentos
300+ don't even think about paying any girl more than this!

For a complete list, see you pocket dictionary.

**Verbs**

The above list is for someone that has no knowledge of Portuguese. The following lists are for someone that knows Portuguese well and wants to know certain words better that will generally not be taught by your humble Portuguese teacher.

**Sperto lists of….well….best to just read them. Posted on ISG**

Sperto says: -
Insulting is something that should absolutely be avoided in Brazil, but sometimes it can be necessary. Also it's good to know what people say if they insult you.
Please, be very careful using these phrases. Some of them are VERY strong.

A simple and useful phrase for shoe shiners and beggars that don't accept "Não obrigado" is "Sai daqui desgraçado!" They will definitely go away.

Vai toma no cú seu viado ~ Fuck you, faggot.
Vai se danar ~ Fuck you.
No teu cú ~ Up your ass.
Vai para o inferno ~ Go to hell.
Vai pra puta que te pariu ~ Go back to the ***** who gave you birth.
Se liga na porra da tua vida caralho ~ Mind your own fucking business.
Vai dar o cú ~ Go give your ass.
Enfia no cú e roda ~ Put it in your ass and keep rolling.
Enfie o dedo no cú e rasgue ~ Put your finger into your asshole and rip it off.
Gostou? Não? Então enfia o dedo no cú e gira ~ Didn't you like it? Then stick your finger up your ass and spin it.
Comi tua mae ~ I fucked your mother.
Sua mãe bate bife com as tetas ~ Your mom hit the meat with her tits.
Vá se fuder, peça da puta merda! ~ Go fuck yourself, you goddamn piece of shit!
Masca merda ~ You eat shit.
O cú da sua mãe é tão grande que um trem do metrô poderia passar nele sem problemas ~ Your mom's ass is so big that a subway train could pass through it with no problems.
Você é burro de dar dó ~ You're so stupid, people pity you.
Do jeito que você é feio, seria melhor barbear a bunda e andar de costas ~ You're so ugly you should shave your ass and walk backwards.
Sua mãe tá na zona ~ Your mom is in the *****house district.
Vou te estuprar com um abacaxi, sua bicha safada ~ I'll fuck your ass with a pineapple, you filthy faggot.
Vou cagar na sua cara ~ I'll shit in your face.
Aquela mina é um puta bagulho ~ That girl is a fucking ugly.
Vô fuder tua bunda e fazer você beber meu gozo tua puta ~ I'll fuck you in the ass, and make you taste my cum, you *****.
Vai peidar na água pra ver se sai bolhinhas ~ Go to fart in water and make bubbles.
Sua família é um bando de desgraçado filho da puta ~ Your family is motherfucker cursed.

*Spertos favourite words for ass*

bumbum, bunda, cu, nádegas, popozão, rabo

*And some for breasts*

laranjas, melancias (big ones), peitos, seios, tetas, travesseiros, tufas.

*And to have sex*

afogar o ganso, comer, fazer amor, foder, rala-rala, transar, trepar.

*And some words for pussy*

aranha, boca-cabeluda, boca-de-sapo, boca-sem-dente, buceta, bucetinha, buraco-cabeludo, coisinha, gruta-do-amor, peludinha, perereca, periquita, rosquinha,
túnel-do-amor, vagina, xereca, xoxota.



(I would be very interested to hear any corrections from those fluent in Portuguese. This is a first effort by me in regards to explaining the language and hence is essentially a work in progress. As I said in the intro, I want to cerate a resource than can be kept for reference, hence I borrowed heavily from Spertos posts)

Bubba Boy
12-17-05, 23:01
The Bubba report, updated December, 2005. Part 10/12 - Mini Guide Spain.

Having spent a lot of time in Brasil of late, I obviously have an interest in Brasilian Bunda (ass). With each trip back to Rio I would discover my favourites from last trip were currently overseas, invariably in Spain. This got me thinking about the possibility of spending more time in Spain, which for me is a lot closer to home. Prior to my first trip to Spain in over 15 years, I did a ton of research on the net and spoke to a lot of Brasilian girls, mostly in Rio Termas (is that tax deductable?). The same club names kept coming up over and over. Hence I attempted to visit them all, not that easy as I was usually with a Brasilian girl that I had met in Rio, cloak and dagger stuff but heaps of fun. In most of clubs listed below, you will find a mixture of South American and Eastern Euro girls, brazilian girls would maybe make up 25% of the numbers.

Spain in general impressed me a great deal. When I first visited it 15+ years ago, it was a bit dirty, generally quite poor compared to the rest of Europe and I basically had no reason to go back. Now it is a very vibrant country, about 30% less expensive than France, people are great, the weather is great, the cities are much cleaner and in some parts the architecture is just spectacular. It is now a much wealthier place. Do yourself a favour, get on down there.

Please note: this is a mini guide to Spain. Spain has an enormous sex industry with literally thousands of clubs. Having said this, these clubs would be a good starting point for any monger new to Spain.

Addresses: In Spain they don't always use numbers, particularly when you get out of the city. So for highway clubs they generally give a Kilometer marker and the highway. IE For Flowers Park, Madrid, A6 26 Km's. The A6 refers to the Highway "A6" and it is 26Km's from the center of the town. Sounds absurd for Westerners but it is surprisingly easy to find your way around. The main highway clubs are right on the highway, IE sometimes you have to hit the breaks hard from 100+ kph and dive into the car park.

***Madrid***

There are a ton of clubs in Madrid. Flowers park is always considered the most popular.

**Flowers Park**

Address: A6 26Km's, Madrid. (large neon sign visible from Road)
Cost: Must Negotiate: Standard is €60 -€70 per 30 mins + €5 for sheets.
Hours: Opens 6pm, goes late, think 5am ish.
Drink Prices: Scotch €12, Beer €9, Girls drinks can be €30
Entrance: Officially €10 which includes a drink, but you can generally just wander in without paying. Hell you are going to get a drink anyway, which will cost €10 ish. Hence they don't really bother about the entrance.
Train station: Las Matas station
Number of Girls: 75+

Went there a couple of times. Like a lot of highway clubs in Spain it is essentially an apartment/hotel complex where the girls rent rooms off the house, like a normal hotel. The action is in the bar downstairs. You mull around and have a chat. What you negotiate between yourself and the girl is up to you. The club doesn't take a cut of the girls fees, they make money off the drinks and room rental. Extras like CIM & Anal are common and the girl either does it or not, generally it is not added to the price, it is thrown in more as a deal clincher. The main difference between Spain and Brasil is the time to "get to know" the girls. In Brasil you can take all the time in the world, in Spain it is more 5 - 20 minutes of chat and then you either go or stay.

**Club Lovely**

Address: A1 31Km's, Madrid.
Cost: Must Negotiate: Standard is €60 - €70 per 30 mins + €5 for sheets.
Hours: 6pm until late, 5am.
Drink prices: Scotch €12, Beer €9, Girls drinks can be €30
Entrance: Officially €10, however just wander in.
Number of Girls: 60+

***Barcelona***

Again this is a large city and there is heaps of action around. You must go to the most popular club, that is Club Riviera.

** Club Riviera**
Address: Autovía de Castelldefels (C-31) Km 17,8.
Cost: Must Negotiate: Standard is €60 -€70 per 30 mins + €5 for sheets.
Hours: 6pm until late.
Drink prices: Scotch €12, Beer €9, Girls drinks can be €30+
Entrance: Officially €10, however just wander in.
Number of Girls: 75+, maybe 100 at peak times.

** Bailén 22**
Address: Calle Bailén 22, Barcelona
Cost: €300 per hour, €180 per 30mins. (yes it is expensive).
Hours:
Drink prices: Start at €15, girls drinks €40+
Entrance:
Number of Girls: 50

***Malaga***

**MiLady Palace**
Address: Ctra.N-340, Km.177, Marbella
Cost: €300 per hour, €180 per 30mins. (yes it is expensive).
Hours: Until very late 5am.
Drink prices: Start at €15, girls drinks €30+
Entrance:
Number of Girls: 50
Situated in an old Mansion like club. There are signs to it from Marbella.

**Estark 92**.
Address: N340 Coastal Rd in Carvajal, betweem the towns of benalmadena & Fuengirola.
Cost: Must Negotiate: Standard is €60 -€70 per 30 mins + €5 for sheets.
Hours: 6pm until late.
Drink prices:
Entrance:
Number of Girls: 60

*A post of mine on ISG- 1 side *

I just spent a few weeks in Spain where I met up with 2 amigas from Rio. Both I have known for just under 2 years and were just starting their careers in Termas.

One amiga, a strong 9 by any measure, just spent 4 days with me in Madrid. It was perfect timing as she was just ending a 3 month working trip there and heading home. She basically said the first time she was in Madrid she worked for Club Lovely (30 minutes costs 70 Euro or USD$90, standard for most highway clubs in Spain) where she earned about 3 times more per day than she did in a Terma in Rio. She then went back and did a 3 month stint at a terma in Rio. Upon returning to Spain she worked at a better, more high end club, and has now has done 3x3 month stints there. She earns about 6 to 9 times more there than she would at a Rio Terma and she sees less guys and only works 4 days per week. Now she does not work when she returns home, not much point when you do the sums and consider she brings about USD$30,000 home each 3 month stint. It now costs 300 euro to fuck her at the club for the hour.

It was actually great fun to hang with her and see how she has progressed over the last 2 years. When I first met her she was smoking hot and a great fuck. The one draw back was, she is obviously from a poor background and did not have much of an education. I once showed her a picture of me standing next to the Eiffel tower, she hadn't a clue where the picture was taken. Now she has developed into a more worldly young lady. She speaks Spanish, some English and a little French now and has travelled a bit in Europe. She has just purchased a house in Brasil and has a small investment unit. I believe she intends to take up studying again in the next 6 months. In short she impresses me a lot now.

I mention the above as a point that these girls now have a lot of options now and Rio will not be the same paradise it is now forever. How much did it cost to hang with her 4 for days? All she asked for was a small gift for her and her mother of which she specified, turned out to be about USD$120 in total. Hence, a further point, yes some girls in Rio do try and grab the $ others do actually enjoy the company of some gringos they meet. Of course the next trip I make to Rio she will be there and will be wanting me to be with her and not visit a terma. She has also invited me to stay at her new house. This is not an option in Rio, yes she is lovely, but there are just to many options for a single guy in Rio to be tired down to just one lovely.

One further point, there are tons of Brasilian girls all over Spain working. The GDP network is very strong. You see them everywhere on the beaches, usually lying on or wearing a brasilian flag. Her phone would ring off the hook. Everywhere I went with "minha amiga" there was something to do with a group of people, most GDP's or ex GDP's. It was kind of fun going to dinner with another couple one night, the Italian guy (who now lives in Spain) did not know his wife was an ex GDP girl. Hence, I was briefed beforehand not to mention certain things. It was funny as the conversation would be held in 3 different languages, at first when I would speak in English to the guy, his wife would always watch me (she didn't speak English, my Spanish pronunciation is not good enough to hold an in depth conversation). I would reassure her in Portuguese what we were talking about. Her husband didn't speak Porto (the girls would always speak in Porto together, rapid fire). After a while she relaxed and it was actually a very very funny and excellent night.

If you are intending to grab a bit of Brasilian ass in Spain don't expect it to be as good as you get in Rio - service wise. Everything is more rushed in Spain, less getting to know you time with the girl and more $ orientated. However, compared to most countries still a damn good option.

For new readers to this forum GDP = Garotta De Program (girl of program= sex worker girl)

*A Further post of mine on ISG- the other side*

I have only been going to Rio for 2 1/2 years, hence I am just starting to see the once really cute girls I liked on my first trip turn "less than cute" now. In fact it seems 90% of the really hot girls on my first trip, that are still around, are very average now.

For example. Sol at Centaurus. On my first trip she was one of the hottest girls there (but crap in bed). She was very arrogant, had the audacity to *tell me* to wait for her to fuck a guy and return to the boite after I merely glanced in her direction. Anyway she is still there now, she doesn't look nearly as hot and has a very burnt out attitude. She doesn't get taken to a cabine much anymore. Her career is coming to an end. Tough business..........2 years is along time as a working GDP.

Bubba Boy
12-17-05, 23:01
The Bubba report, updated December, 2005. Part 11/12 - Real Estate.


***Property Prices in Rio***

*Suburb* - - - - - - - - - - Maximo - - Medio - - Minimo----(rent)
Ipanema - - - - - - - - - - -1250000 - - 625000 - - 240000-----2730
Leblon - - - - - - - - - - - -1260000 - - 642000 - - 255000-----2827
Lagoa - - - - - - - - - - - - 1200000 - - 545000 - - 220000-----2533
Gavea - - - - - - - - - - - - 1100000 - - 518000 - - 230000-----2087
Urca - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1000000 - - 417000 - - 180000-----2225
Jardin Botanico - - - - - -1000000 - - 437000 - - 220000-----1896
Barra e Racreio - - - - - -1100000 - - 410000 - - 150000-----2074
Copacabana e Leme - - -1050000 - - 381000 - - 165000-----2169
Flamengo e Catete - - - - 1000000 - - 386000 - - 185000----1630
Laranjeiras e C Velho - - -750000 - - 339000 - - 165000----1630
Botafogo e Humaita - - - 560000 - - 332000 - - -175000----1377
Ilha do Governador - - - - 500000 - - 237000 - - - 55000------713
Tijuca e Rio Comprido - -450000 - - 191000 - - - 75000------761
Jacarepagua - - - - - - - - -300000 - - 167000 - - - -55000------716
Meier e Lins - - - - - - - - -350000 - - 159000 - - - 60000------600
Andarai e Grajau - - - - - -360000 - - 159000 - - - 57000------675
Madureira - - - - - - - - - - 230000 - - 126000 - - - -40000-----502
Centro - - - - - - - - - - - - -230000 - - 127000 - - - -50000-----597

NB: Prices quoted in Reals and for a 3 bedroom apartment.

Maximo = was the highest price obtained for the month
Medio = average price for the suburb in the area
Minimo = The cheapest place sold that month.
Rent = Average rent for a unfurnished 3 bed apartment over a 2 1/2 year contract.

The above table (sorry about the formatting ) was taken from OGlobo-16 Oct-05. It shows the maximum (maximo) price of an apartment sold in the area in the last month, the average (medio) and minimum (minimo). It is interesting in that the most expensive suburb in Rio has an average apartment price of USD$300,000. This would not qualify for an "average" suburb in a big western city. As a comparison, a good suburb in London, IE Chelsea has an average 3br apartment price of USD$2,000,000.

*Renting in Rio*

There are tons of short term rental agencies in Rio, hence finding something for 1 week to 3 months is not a problem. If you want to rent a place for longer and perhaps furnish it yourself you can find some real bargains, a fraction of what you would pay for a short term rentals. However with this comes a few problems.

A standard lease runs for 2 1/2 years. To obtain such a lease you will usually need a Fiador to guarantee or co sign the lease. What does this mean? Well if you do not make you rental payments the Fiador is responsible for your debts. In order to be a fiador, one must own a property in Rio and this property is essentially leant on until your lease is up. Hence finding a Fiador is virtually impossible, well for a gringo anway. If you think this is ridiculous, and it is, the problem was essentially created by inept legislation. Once a lease is signed it is virtually impossible to evict the tenant, even if rent is not paid. Hence, when you add in costly legal bills, unpaid utility and condo bills, you can see how the landlord is exposed to a bad tenant. Many a landlord has been forced to sell a property after a 2 year battle with a renegade tenant.

For a gringo it is difficult to hence rent a property on a long term basis. There is no easy way around it. I have heard of a few gringos obtaining a lease through a broker going into bat for them, usually they require some sort of deposit, up to 6 months. Finding a good broker is also difficult. Real estate brokers around the world are not exactly a trustworthy bunch, in Rio they are absolutely disgraceful. Having said this I have found a good one, but I do not want to put her name here. She is busy enough.

A good place to start the search for properties is here. http://classificados.oglobo.com.br/ The Sunday edition of the same paper has the listings.


*A posting by Carlos Primeros on ISG. Carlos says in regards to buying a property.

Brasilian titles: I can only recommend that you have a lawyer do the title research. One of my relatives bought five years ago in Blumenau a piece of land. The title research was done and it showed that the sale from a church-organization to an individual 28 years ago was not properly done and that the Catholic Church was still the legal owner of the land - everybody assumed at those days that the transfer was done and closed. The whole thing was settled amicably but why should this happen to you? There are a lot of Brazilians which would like to make a gringo pay for nothing or at least for an invalid title. The Brazilian Government guarantees only one thing: That all their records are hopelessly incorrect and a big mess. In Brazil there is a time-limit in which titles can be contested. It is 30 years. A professional lawyer will do a search to this time-frame. I assume that the US Consulate in Rio or where ever you want to buy the property will provide you with the address of a semi-decent and skilful lawyer.

Payment: do not - under any circumstances - conclude a contract with a "split price", meaning one figure in the contract and the other amount cash. Remember - you have to bring this money into Brazil legally. By just taken R40.000 cash to Brazil is illegal and you might be set up paying this money. Make a transfer to an escrow account with Banco do Brazil and pay from this account to the guy. Normally when you open an account in Brazil, you must give your tax-number (CPF), As a foreigner you do not have one - alas - you can open only an account with Banco do Brazil. Alternatively first get a residence permit (permanente) in Brazil and than effectuate the purchase of the apartment. I would do this anyhow first.

One final thought: why are you not renting an apartment? Put your money in some investment - fund, cash the profits out and pay with the profits the rent. If you do not like the place anymore, just terminate the rental contract!

I am also living from time to time for longer periods in Rio but I would never ever buy an apartment there. You never know how the situation in a part of Rio develops and suddenly your place turns into a Favela (slum). Then you can kiss the value of your apartment good-bye. Carlos Primeros

*CPF Cards*
If you are intending to stay in Brasil for a long term stay you should consider getting a CPF card. You get them by applying at the local post office. They cost less than R10, of course a friendly GDP can help with the paper work. You need a local address which they send the card to after a few weeks.

Bubba Boy
12-17-05, 23:03
Bubba Report, updated December, 2005. Part 12/12. The final words.

***Daily Routine, a summary of what I do daily when in Rio***

This is what I do on an almost daily basis.

~~Wake up, hit a kilo place or suco bar for lunch. (No one wakes up in time for breakfast.

~~Maybe hit the beach for an hour or 2 or hit a tourist attraction. Call buddies see what is on the agenda.

~~Hit a Terma, early after or mid noon depending upon the strategy for the day. Ie 4x4 early, zona sul Termas anytime.

~~grab something to eat for late dinner at a kilo place or suco bar. If you know enough of them you can find more than enough variety of food to eat there almost everyday.

~~If enough time may hit another terma, maybe just for a drink or rest and then go to Help or at least hang around outside with some friends, I may or may not go in. The longer I stay in Rio the less I go to Help, normally find something else (or someone else) to do

~~Go to bed, either alone or with a new friend.

***People to Thank***

As I stated in the intro, I have attempted to create 1 resource for Rio. Hence I have used many peoples post and info. All the info has been very carefully screened, I have only used info from people that I know, know their shit. I have also verified a lot of the info myself. People to thank, some helped me with direct input, some helped me just for the quality of their posts.

Sperto, Euro100, Lorenzo, Jaimito Cartero, Doc Bill , Pro (always quality posts despite being a grumpy assed gringo ;-) ), Rio bob (see comments about Pro ;-) ) , GK (excellent quality posts on Sampa). Young and Restless, James Howard, Keldeson, Bandy, Carlos Primeros. There are also others, I apologise for not listing everybody.

I have posted this in the general section, when there has been a chance to comment, hopefully I will pick out any mistakes and then shoot it over to Jackson.

Copy write notice: This report is free to use or distribute, however the following URL must left in tact. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/ It is where I post, it is where I have used other peoples posts. It is "our home" and a great resource, hence I would ask you credit it the URL if you post it on another website.

***The Final Words***

The end.

Bubba Boy
12-18-05, 02:21
I have received a few PMs with addtional info, clarifications, if anyone thinks something is a bit iffy please send it to me or post it.

Java Man
12-18-05, 07:11
Bubbaboy:
Did you visit 4x4 in december? I was there in july. They were remodeling. I was told showers for the garotas to dance in were going to be installed in the main boite, also an additional bar. Is the remodeling complete?

Carlos Primeros
12-18-05, 10:07
Congratulations to a well-written report. Go on!!

Carlos

Bubba Boy
12-18-05, 14:21
Bubbaboy:Did you visit 4x4 in december? I was there in july. They were remodeling. I was told showers for the garotas to dance in were going to be installed in the main boite, also an additional bar. Is the remodeling complete?

Yes I was there when they were remodelling, they closed for 1 day but basically were open when plaster was hanging from the ceiling, things were only half finished, very brasilian. The second bar (new bar), on my last visit only served beer. It is next to the stage. You still had to fight you way through the heaving bodies to get other drinks at the bar next to the entrance. There was a small perspex box built, sort of where the narrow entrance way opens to the main boite. It wasn't working when I left, but looked like a space a shower and a girl to dance in. Looked the same as "Cocktail" in sampa (without the movement into the ceiling).

Lorenzo
12-18-05, 23:37
I hereby nominate Bubba Boy for the next Nobel Peace Prize (or maybe it should be "piece" prize). He has truly performed a humanitarian service with his extensive and comprehensive reports. Think about it, guys; what would we be doing with all this pent up energy we are expending on mongering, if these outlets didn't exist? No doubt that this snergy could be channeled into aggression, and the world's death toll would rise. So by providing all this information to us, Bubba Boy is actually saving lives. Kudos to you, bro.

I have just a couple of comments on the content of his reports:

1) The 'shit on the shoe trick': this was first tried on me in 2000 on Av. Atlantica, and they used real shit! How they got it on my shoe still remains a mystery. Fortunately, I didn't fall for it, but the odor linegered on my shoe for days, in spite of repeated scrubbing. Since then they have started using that gloppy mixture that probably comes out of a bottle.

I think the original purpose of the 'shit on shoe' thing was to get you to set down a bag you were carrying while they 'helped' you, while an accomplice would come along and grab it and run off. The first time this happened to me, I was carring a tote bag. The idea of earning money from cleaning what they put there in the first place came later. I have since stopped carrying tote bags.

This leads to my next suggestion: never carry anything that can be easily snatched, because it probably will be. If you must carry a suitcase through the streets of Rio (or any other Latin American city), try to get one that doubles as a backpack, and use it as one whenever you are away from the airport or your hotel. I have two like this: the Maximum Legal Carryon from Patagonia, and the E-Motion 360 from Victorinix. If you need a bag to carry around miscellania like a Portuguese dictionary, maps, etc., keep the plastic bag they give you at the supermarket when you buy bottled water and use that as a tote bag. So far, no prospective thief has suspected that I carried anything he might want in a Pao de Acucar bag. If you must carry a tote bag, but the strap over your head so that it will be on the opposite side of your body from the side on which the bag hangs. Anf Bubba Boy is absolutely right when he says to ignore anyone who walks up to you on the street; just keep walking.

2) Some security tips following logically from the above: Never display money, e.g., counting your change, in public. I made he mistake of doing this once after I paid for a newspaper with a R10 note and counted the change I was given right there at the newsstand. After I had walked half a block I got tackled from behind and knocked down by two guys who went through my pockets before I realized what was happening and then took off. This was at midday on Av. Atlantica, with two cops standing 30 feet away! I have since learned to carry a lot of small notes with me and pay for things like papers, things from food stands, etc., with the small notes. I feel inside my pocket for the number I need and hand them over directly, so that I never have to display them openly.

Another security tip: there are a lot of lower class, 'gangsta' looking hookers walking up and down Av. Atlantica at night. Be careful of them. They will try very aggressively to get you to party with them, and in doing so they may do things like grabbing your crotch and feeling you up, while what she is really doing is picking your pocket! Yes, this happened to me too. Two gangsta type girls approached me. I never had any intention of going with them, but I enjoyed the verbal repartee and let one of them rub my dick right there on the street. Problem was, while one hand was on my dick, the other one was in my pocket! Fortunately, I never carry much, so she didn't get much. I'm only a fool if it happens a second time, which it won't.

3) Bubba Boy wrote extensively about the need to screen GDPs extensively. I agree with every word he said, especially about not letting one of them fix you a drink. I would add this, however: be very cautious about who you take home with you, especially if you are staying in an apartment and not a hotel, and think twice about doing this at all. Consider this one point, even if nothing happens to you after you bring her home: she knows where you live! What is to keep her from coming back with her boyfriend, seducing you into opening the door and letting her in, then having the boyfriend force his way in and robbing you blind? Don't scoff, this has actually happened! There was actually a report posted on this forum, from a Brazilian news report, about a foreigner being thrown out of a 7th story window after such a thing happened. Actually, I've never really understood why mongers would want a GDP to spend the night anyway. I'd much prefer fucking her as many times as I want before I'm ready to drop off to sleep, then paying her and sending her on her way. I assume the reason some guys want her to spend the night is so they can be assured of a piece of ass in the morning. But as for me, if I wake up with a boner amid memories of the night before, I'll just take a cold shower and save the energy for later in the day. Remember, when you're asleep, you're defenseless; she could rob you and take off without your knowing it. Exception: the Atlantica Suites have doors that can be locked with a key from the inside, thus preventing her from leaving until you let her out.

3) Bringing girls back to your hotel: I have written extensively on this in the past, and I won't repeat myself here. But I would recommend keeping this mindset: you are smarter than any hotel employee, and there is no hotel--none--into which you can't smuggle a girl. I have done it at the Meridien, Caesar Park, and Sheraton. Someday I'll do it at the Copacabana Palace--someday.

4) Bubba Boy hinted at this, but I'll carry it further: when you find a GDP with whom you have some chemistry, make her your main squeze for the duration of the trip, and do things with her that you would do with a GF; that makes the whole thing a true GFE. I don't mean just going to dinner. For example, in 2002 I got a Rio GDP to travel with me to see Ouro Preto in Minas Gerais. We flew to Belo Horizonte, stayed in a hotel there for 2 days, rented a car and drove to Ouro Preto and back for a full day trip, and flew back to Rio. Of course I had to pay for the trip and pay her for her time as well, but it was worth it. It would have been depressing to go on that trip alone. I even got her to go with me to Solarium on couples night (Wednesdays and Sundays) and pretend to be my Brazilian wife while we did a threesome with a GDP there. Next year I plan to find a GDP in Recife and take her with me on a trip to Fernando de Noronha, something else I don't want to do alone either.

But enough. Bubba Boy's reports will, I predict, become the standard reference on mongering in Rio, and his reports will remain a standard for other posters to attempt to meet.

Lorenzo

Chezz
12-19-05, 07:59
I must concur with Lorenzo, the Bubba Boy reports are the gold standard of mongering. I’m trying to come up with a way to convey my gratitude to BB for going through all trouble to gather and present to the “recreational traveler” a totally complete guide to having fun in Rio. Quite frankly, it made my first April a smashing success, and in ten days I’ll arrive for my 3rd trip – including NYE in Rio. The BB Guide, combined with a few other reports, saved me literally thousands of dollars and countless hours and many months in possible missteps. And I’m no greenhorn; I’ve lived in Eastern Europe, South and North America, hung out with Jackson at the mansion, etc etc. But had I had this kind of information before any of those trips, no telling how much money or time I would have saved – not to mention time lost to scammers and skanks.

BB…hats off to you my brother. I remember my first trip flying into Rio last April. We were about 2 hours out of GIG and I was wide awake, hopped-up on cheap airline coffee and adrenaline, reading the Bubba Report that I had printed out before my trip. Some dude walked to the head and on his way back to his seat stopped and said to me “is that the Bubba Report?”

You’re a legend.

What can I say? You may not hear it enough, but there’s a shitload of guys in your debt. And if I ever see you in Rio, I’ve got you covered for a night at L’oumo or Centaurus. Shit, that goes for Rio Bob, Kedelson, Catalyst, Ronny Ron, Euro100, Sperto, and a few others. I’ll be there for 10 days starting the 29th of this month. I predict an epic fucking NYE!!! If you any of you will be there at that time, send me an IM to collect. You guys laid the groundwork and you put in the time to document it, just for a bunch of dudes you don’t even know!

Fuck, how great is the Internet!!

Salud!!

Happy Holidays to all of you!!!

RxHammer
12-19-05, 10:05
Just to add to Lorenzo's comments....

I just got back from a 8 day trip to Rio with a buddy of mine and we had a bad situation with a GDP in our apartment. We came back from Help with 2 girls. My friends girl, which we met in front of Help (after midnight) and did not "screen" very well. She had one beer before entering Help and 1/2 a cocktail inside. She introduced me to my girl once we entered Help. We stayed about 45 minutes then left for the apartment. I had agreed to a couple of hours with my girl, had a great time and she left. While TCB with my girl my friend came to my room and said his girl had "passed out" (after 1 & 1/2 drinks ???) and he had not touched her. He had voiced some concerns about a "bad vibe" with her but I had rushed him home so I could take care of my "hottie". BIG MISTAKE !! She slept til noon when he decided to get her up and out. She showered and joined us in the living room. I then offered her 50R for lunch and a cab since she had not "earned" anything the night before(I thought this to be GENEROUS). She became extremely upset and demanded 300R !! We both laughed and told her to get the fuck out. Now the problem, she will not leave !! I feel like beating the shit outta her but cooler heads prevail. We were scheduled to leave that afternoon so we decided to just start packing and prepare to leave. She doesn't budge. I losing my temper bigtime by now. She's yelling and screaming, knocking things off the wall, so I decide to just grab her and physically throw her ass out but she's a tough little piece of favela trash and fights back. My friend steps out to the apartment lobby to see if the doorman will help(our door opened into the first floor lobby). To sum up, I got her to move toward the door and when my friend distracted her I grabbed her from behide and shoved her ass right out the open front door of the apartment and locked it behind her !!! FUCK !! I glossed over the details such as when she tried to go for a knife in the kitchen sick or when she tried to hit me over the head with an empty wine bottle. Battle royal with that little scam artist !!!! Anyway, after we got her out she left the building not to be seen again. Oh, and we also left for about 3 hours so as to let things die down and to make sure we weren't around if she came back with the cops. We returned later, grabbed our bags and left.

Moral of the story....SCREEN YOUR WOMEN !!!! BTW, I'm no newbie with 25+ trips to Rio, I just got a little careless and didn't listen to my friends concerns. She was trying to scam him but once she's IN THE APARTMENT you may be fucked in a "bad" way !!!

Be safe, Hammer.

PS she didn't get the 50R either !!

Sal Dali
12-19-05, 19:45
So, finally, the exchange rate is beginning to look better for those of us with US dollars. Of course, it's only occurring because BRAZIL is being fiscally responsible . . .. but, hey, . . . more is more.

I just want to know if I'm going to get my free admit fee to L'uomo outta this??

BTW, BB's reports are incredible. Thanks!!!


:) . . . saude

SD

Rastaman
12-20-05, 00:18
The real is way overvalued -- should be trading about US$1 = R$3.5

Bravo
12-20-05, 02:32
Just to add to Lorenzo's comments....

I just got back from a 8 day trip to Rio with a buddy of mine and we had a bad situation with a GDP in our apartment. We came back from Help with 2 girls. My friends girl, which we met in front of Help (after midnight) and did not "screen" very well. She had one beer before entering Help and 1/2 a cocktail inside. She introduced me to my girl once we entered Help. We stayed about 45 minutes then left for the apartment. I had agreed to a couple of hours with my girl, had a great time and she left. While TCB with my girl my friend came to my room and said his girl had "passed out" (after 1 & 1/2 drinks ???) and he had not touched her. He had voiced some concerns about a "bad vibe" with her but I had rushed him home so I could take care of my "hottie". BIG MISTAKE !! She slept til noon when he decided to get her up and out. She showered and joined us in the living room. I then offered her 50R for lunch and a cab since she had not "earned" anything the night before(I thought this to be GENEROUS). She became extremely upset and demanded 300R !! We both laughed and told her to get the fuck out. Now the problem, she will not leave !! I feel like beating the shit outta her but cooler heads prevail. We were scheduled to leave that afternoon so we decided to just start packing and prepare to leave. She doesn't budge. I losing my temper bigtime by now. She's yelling and screaming, knocking things off the wall, so I decide to just grab her and physically throw her ass out but she's a tough little piece of favela trash and fights back. My friend steps out to the apartment lobby to see if the doorman will help(our door opened into the first floor lobby). To sum up, I got her to move toward the door and when my friend distracted her I grabbed her from behide and shoved her ass right out the open front door of the apartment and locked it behind her !!! FUCK !! I glossed over the details such as when she tried to go for a knife in the kitchen sick or when she tried to hit me over the head with an empty wine bottle. Battle royal with that little scam artist !!!! Anyway, after we got her out she left the building not to be seen again. Oh, and we also left for about 3 hours so as to let things die down and to make sure we weren't around if she came back with the cops. We returned later, grabbed our bags and left.

Moral of the story....SCREEN YOUR WOMEN !!!! BTW, I'm no newbie with 25+ trips to Rio, I just got a little careless and didn't listen to my friends concerns. She was trying to scam him but once she's IN THE APARTMENT you may be fucked in a "bad" way !!!

Be safe, Hammer.

PS she didn't get the 50R either !!

Way to go! Thats how you have to handle them, just toss them out on thier ass! They know we are so afraid of the police, that they will hoot and holler about calling them, so that we will pay up. Glad you didnt have to hurt her. Excellant move leaving the apartment for a few hours, even if she did return with the police. They arent going to sit around and wait for 3 hours or break down your door over 300R (Even if you are in the apartment, just dont answer the phone or open the door).

Rio Bob
12-20-05, 02:32
Just to add to Lorenzo's comments....

I just got back from a 8 day trip to Rio with a buddy of mine and we had a bad situation with a GDP in our apartment. !!

I can appreciate your experience and say that you handled it in the right way, I would have done the same thing exactly as you handled it, I have had my situations too and my rapid heart beating moments.

This last trip of mine I brought back 9 girls from Help, well 2 repeats so actually 6 different ones. One actually asked permission to get out of bed and get dressed and asked me please to call her. All the others were perfect ladies (outside of bed of course) and all of them when I paid them never counted their money in front of me they just took it and put it in their pocket.

All the girls from Help when I met them were bright eyed and bushy tailed, I drank more than them and when they got back to my apt had maybe a drink or two they weren't big drinkers. As a matter of fact historically in my experience most are not big drinkers but yes some are trouble makers but in my experience they have been few.

All the girls I pulled out from Help were top notch, I had seen many young good looking guys walking around help at 3 or 4 in the morning with their johnson in their hand trying to bargain and wait out desperate woman, didn't look like fun to me.

Rio Bob
12-20-05, 02:42
1) The 'shit on the shoe trick': this was first tried on me in 2000 on Av. Atlantica, and they used real shit! How they got it on my shoe still remains a mystery. Fortunately, I didn't fall for it, but the odor linegered on my shoe for days, in spite of repeated scrubbing. Lorenzo

Were you wearing these shoes in Help at the time? Maybe thats why the girls were giving you such a hard time in Help. Just a comment.

Rio Bob
12-20-05, 02:46
Another security tip: there are a lot of lower class, 'gangsta' looking hookers walking up and down Av. Atlantica at night. Be careful of them. They will try very aggressively to get you to party with them, and in doing so they may do things like grabbing your crotch and feeling you up, while what she is really doing is picking your pocket! Yes, this happened to me too. Two gangsta type girls approached me. I never had any intention of going with them, but I enjoyed the verbal repartee and let one of them rub my dick right there on the street. Problem was, while one hand was on my dick, the other one was in my pocket! Fortunately, I never carry much, so she didn't get much. I'm only a fool if it happens a second time, which it won't.
Lorenzo
Oldest trick in the book, no experienced monger would ever fall for this.

Rio Bob
12-20-05, 02:50
3) Bringing girls back to your hotel: I have written extensively on this in the past, and I won't repeat myself here. But I would recommend keeping this mindset: you are smarter than any hotel employee, and there is no hotel--none--into which you can't smuggle a girl. I have done it at the Meridien, Caesar Park, and Sheraton. Someday I'll do it at the Copacabana Palace--someday.
Lorenzo

This is why I don't stay in Hotels anymore, glad to see that you find it a challenge and something to aspire to.

Euro100
12-20-05, 02:52
Bubba,

you are very kind to give me credit in your report. But in reality I am just your student and I have followed in your footsteps whereever I could. After about 10 trips to Rio and not knowing this forum, the last one was so much easier and more focussed for me mainly because of your reports. The only thing that I can claim I have contributed to the recent edition is that I got robbed at knifepoint ;)

Thanks again, Bubba Boy, you are doing all of us an incredible favor with your reports. Like I said when I asked Jackson to give you your own thread for these reports, they are a must-read!

euro

Rio Bob
12-20-05, 02:54
2) Some security tips following logically from the above: Never display money, e.g., counting your change, in public. I made he mistake of doing this once after I paid for a newspaper with a R10 note and counted the change I was given right there at the newsstand. After I had walked half a block I got tackled from behind and knocked down by two guys who went through my pockets before I realized what was happening and then took off. This was at midday on Av. Atlantica, with two cops standing 30 feet away! I have since learned to carry a lot of small notes with me and pay for things like papers, things from food stands, etc., with the small notes. I feel inside my pocket for the number I need and hand them over directly, so that I never have to display them openly.Lorenzo

What a shame absolutely a target and defensless.

Rio Bob
12-20-05, 03:10
I've never really understood why mongers would want a GDP to spend the night anyway. I'd much prefer fucking her as many times as I want before I'm ready to drop off to sleep, then paying her and sending her on her way. I assume the reason some guys want her to spend the night is so they can be assured of a piece of ass in the morning. But as for me, if I wake up with a boner amid memories of the night before, I'll just take a cold shower and save the energy for later in the day. Remember, when you're asleep, you're defenseless; she could rob you and take off without your knowing it. Exception: the Atlantica Suites have doors that can be locked with a key from the inside, thus preventing her from leaving until you let her out.
Lorenzo

When your asleep your defenseless? sounds like you can be when your awake too.

Rio Bob
12-20-05, 03:17
The real is way overvalued -- should be trading about US$1 = R$3.5

Brazilian bankers are buying dollars in order to strengthen it against the Real, hopefully soon the dollar will appreciate at least 20% from where it is and make our hobby more affordable.

Euro100
12-20-05, 03:23
I have previously publicly confessed to this: until my last trip I had not ever been inside a terma in Rio. (Yes, yes, I know, snicker all you want :D) So my entire mongering experience collection had been with take-out.

I have picked up girls at Help! (amateurs and pros), some non-pros at Girl of Ipanema bar and Plataforma, some pros at Frank's, a couple of strippers at Franks and Barbarella (strangely never had to pay an exit fee), a couple of girls at Holiday (rippoff exit charge and $200 bar tab, but one of the girls was a real find), and a few working girls at Hooker Beach and in front of Mab. At a few other places, too, but I don't recall names any more.

Looking back, I feel that I was extremely lucky. I never had a real problem with any of the girls. I do not speak Portuguese worth a lick; so I always only picked girls with at least a little bit of English knowledge. And I never walked off with them right away, always first made sure that we had a bit of chemistry.

I always stayed at hotels. This gives you a bit of protection in that the girl has to register at the reception with her ID. So that's a bit better than an apartment.

Twice I got a bit worried. Once I took a girl back, right away she went to the bathroom, and then I hear this snorting noise, like she is doing coke. So I am freaked and rip open the bathroom door, ready to throw her druggie ass out. Ooops, she was just blowing her noise and clearing her throat. Very embarrissing! VERY!

The other time I took back what turned out to be a real freak. She wanted me to choke her during sex, told me that is the only way she comes. I told her I wouldn't do it. So she started choking herself with this piece of cloth around her throat. I threw her out.

All other times the girls were just great. However, no let's make this a capital HOWEVER: I never ever slept well with girls in my room. Yes, I had everything locked up in my safe. But that still left the safe key that I needed to put under my body during sleeping. And you never know what happens when you sleep. So these nights always tended to be a bit of stress for that reason.

Last trip to Rio I only did take-out with two girls from terma L'uomo (multiple nights, though; I reported on this extensively). And I slept fine (well, between sex acts, that is). Main reason: I was convinced that I was able to trust these girls, because they knew that I knew where to get a hold of them if there were problems. After all, I knew where they worked. And what girl wants to give up a great job at a terma just to rip a guy off for a few hundred bucks.

euro

Lorenzo
12-20-05, 07:42
Were you wearing these shoes in Help at the time? Maybe thats why the girls were giving you such a hard time in Help. Just a comment.

No, I wasn't wearing them in Help, because I don't go to Help. And when did I ever say that the girls were giving me a hard time in Help?

Lorenzo

Lorenzo
12-20-05, 07:45
What a shame absolutely a target and defensless.

I didn't say I was defenseless, I said that I was caught by surprise from behind, and off guard. It could happen to anybody. You're lucky it hasn't happened to you.

Lorenzo

Lorenzo
12-20-05, 07:48
Oldest trick in the book, no experienced monger would ever fall for this.

Well, I'm an experienced monger and I fell for it. Don't be so cocky; I'm sure similar things have happened to you, but you're just not honest enough to talk about them. I am mentioning these things to try to be helpful to other mongers, just as I appreciate having received such helpful tips myself in the past. So your sarcasm is unwarranted.

Lorenzo

Lorenzo
12-20-05, 07:52
When your asleep your defenseless? sounds like you can be when your awake too.

My, you are a cocky bastard, aren't you? That's four--four!--gratuitous digs you've taken at me. What, exactly, is your problem? Taking cheap shots at others is usually a way of covering up for one's own inadequacies. I'd say 'honi soi qui mal y pense,' if I thought you knew what it meant.

BTW, review your English grammar; you should have written 'you're,' not 'your.' 'You're' is a contraction of 'you are,' which is clearly what you meant to say. 'Your' is a possessive adjective and clearly inappropriate in this context. Don't feel bad; it's a common error of the semiliterate.

Lorenzo

Bubba Boy
12-20-05, 13:35
BTW, review your English grammar; you should have written 'you're,' not 'your.' 'You're' is a contraction of 'you are,' which is clearly what you meant to say. 'Your' is a possessive adjective and clearly inappropriate in this context. Don't feel bad; it's a common error of the semiliterate.

Lorenzo

Damn, I didn't know this and I have 2 degrees! I will be studying English tonight instead of Porto!

Rio Bob
12-21-05, 02:52
I also believe these pros r powerless. These couldn't order a hit if they wanted. They can't even climb out of the duldrum of prostition it they were paid. They have no more street juice than u allow them. They need to support there middle class american consumerism they have grown accustomed.

As far as HELP, those who love it good 4 them. I and others could care less if they place wash hosed (no pun intended) and a church was constructed.

SAL & FULL THROTTLE : I also made those numbers, I guess thats why I'm not in the speculating business.

Forta was good, this yr I did less (activities & women).
More beach relaxation

Next stop tomorrow night SALVADOR and its interior beaches.

I'm carrying this water, but the shits heavy.

You also believed that the dollar/real would close at 2.11 at the end of the year. Today it closed at 2.34 and the dollar is on the upswing. how does it feel to believe in things that are not so.

Liucio
12-21-05, 03:28
I guess that's the reason I'm not making a fortune in the the prediction market like very other lil finger cock shit face with time to burn.

The aguas on my back.

Lorenzo
12-22-05, 04:04
I've always paid between US$600-700, from LAX. This was great around 2002, when the Real-USD ratio was 4:1. Now I've moved to a small city in the Southeastern US, so I have to pay more now that I no longer live in a major hub. However, the FF miles add up rather quickly. If your schedule is reasonable flexible, just wait until the fares go down, them grab the first low fare you can find; they usually don't last long. The airlines usually post new fares on Wednesday, effective at midnight (although the time zone may vary from airline to airline). So the best time to look for airfares is very early Wednesday morning.

If you haven't already done so, I suggest you go to the websites of each of the major airlines and get on their e-mail list. They will mail you a list of their domestic and international promotional fares, which will often include Rio or Sao Paolo. American is the best, United and Continental so-so, Delta sucks. As far as using FF miles, I never had a problem finding seats as long as I was flexible regarding dates and length of stay. Maybe things have changed.

Keep at it; something will turn up.

Lorenzo

James Howard
12-22-05, 04:41
Bush is the reason why the dollar needs to rebound in the first place. The G.W. Bush Presidency was an absolute catastrophe for the U.S. We can blame him for alot of things, but for the improved Dollar vs the Real?

DThe truth is that with all the additional spending by Bush's government, the US is sinking deeper and deeper into debt. Right? So therefore, in the longterm, eventually the US will have to raise interest rates to higher levels to compensate for the deficit. Higher interest rates will mean slower economy, but higher dollar value (ie, Brazil right now). Am I right, or am I right? In this regard, George Bush is doing us a favor in the longterm. Who says the US government isn't looking out for its own?

But other than that, Bush is a disaster.

Blanco
12-22-05, 06:21
I see a lot of fighting in some of the forums latley and I don't know why. It sounds like bickering women. Let's agree to disagree. Please start talking about pussy and stop acting like it.

Bubba Boy
12-22-05, 14:08
Try a website like this http://www.kayak.com

It searches alot of flights that you or a travel agent may not think of. If still no result try late March or April. DEC-MAR is the busiest period for Rio, hence you will get better luck just outside those dates. I am pretty sure you will get something around the USD$600 mark, just need to hunt around a bit.