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STDs go with fucking like death with war. Always keep the plastic.I will keep that in mind when I am in AC next week! I just hope that the rubbers won't break as often as last time!
Cheers,
Hesekiels
I will keep that in mind when I am in AC next week! I just hope that the rubbers won't break as often as last time! :)
Cheers - HesekielsOn my various pillages of Bangkok and Pattaya I have found KY to be an effective eliminator of broken condom syndrome.
Take It sleazy but not like Marv Albert....:)
Onkelspitzz
07-11-08, 10:38
I am not absolute sure whether I got from BBBJ but I assume very much. Because I only fucked two girls without condom in two weeks but at least BBBJ from 10 girls. I am sure you can get gonorrhoea only by BBBJ! I also have to do now AIDS-test! In this forum some mongers reported Santos street is very dangerous! ? May be! I informed some of the ladys I had sex in Angeles and asked them to go to doctor. Nearly all refused because they have no money and "medicine is very expensive". I should send them money for doctor! Pay attention!
Spitz
Are you sure that you had gonohrrea from a BBBJ, would be interessing to know as I always had think that you could not get gonohrrea or syphillis from receiving oral sex.You most assuredly can.
AV
Just returned from my 2 weeks trip in Angeles. It was great but after one week my dick was burning by pissing! The doctor examined a sexually transmitted disease: Gonorrhoea!
I am not sure where I got it.
I got blow jobs from girls from Doll-House, Blue-Nile, Welcome Inn and Santos street (Honky Tonk)!!! Don´t make sex - fuck and blow jo without condom!
SpitzSo if you got it from the first one, then, potentially all the girls you visited are now infected & all the guys they have humped since then are now infected... and the guys as we speak are them humping right now, they are all getting it also...
Angeles is not riddles with STD's... nnnaaaaahhh!
AV
Had to smile when I read that. Black humor, but I couldn't agree with you more.
X
-it is a shame that smoking related illness is so slow to develop!)
Damn, I was planning to go there later this month. AV, you ruined my day. I hope you're happy.
X
So if you got it from the first one, then, potentially all the girls you visited are now infected & all the guys they have humped since then are now infected... and the guys as we speak are them humping right now, they are all getting it also...
Angeles is not riddles with STD's... nnnaaaaahhh!
AV
Damn, I was planning to go there later this month. AV, you ruined my day. I hope you're happy.
XIm very happy with my long term 19 year old girlfriend.
AV
Elmer, I'm not expert, but saliva will kill the AIDS virus. Gonohrrea is a bacteria and may have different properties -- but I think it is rather rare to get either from BJ.
Regardless, if there is a cold sore, or even a cut in the mouth, you have some chance of bodily fluid transfer...not good.
Anyway, good health to the original poster. Thanks for sharing something that must be embarassing to post.
X
Are you sure that you had gonohrrea from a BBBJ, would be interessing to know as I always had think that you could not get gonohrrea or syphillis from receiving oral sex.
Elmer, I'm not expert, but saliva will kill the AIDS virus. Gonohrrea is a bacteria and may have different properties -- but I think it is rather rare to get either from BJ.
Regardless, if there is a cold sore, or even a cut in the mouth, you have some chance of bodily fluid transfer...not good.
Anyway, good health to the original poster. Thanks for sharing something that must be embarassing to post.
XYou need to read up X, exchanging body fluids is how you get STD's, AIDS included..
AV
Yes, thank you AV, I'll read some more.
The original post was about blow jobs. Saliva.
There are four types of bodily fluids that are apt to transfer Aids. Saliva is not one of them.
The orignial post was about Ghonreah, and I agree with Av. It can be transferred thru a blowjob.
X
You need to read up X, exchanging body fluids is how you get STD's, AIDS included..
AV
Puerto La Cruz
07-11-08, 16:06
My dick burns just from reading about this stuff.
Ouch!!!
Cunning Stunt
07-11-08, 16:20
Yes, thank you AV, I'll read some more.
The original post was about blow jobs. Saliva.
There are four types of bodily fluids that are apt to transfer Aids. Saliva is not one of them.
The orignial post was about Ghonreah, and I agree with Av. It can be transferred thru a blowjob.
X
Wait - let me guess - 4 types of body fluids not including saliva. Err .. blood, semen, err .....?.... ear wax ... no ... err ..pussy juice ... sweat ..tears ... shit ...[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) ... toenail clippings ... oh put me out of my misery for fuck sake:(.
By the way, I once knew a Pinay Maid by the name of Ghonreah .. do you mean her? She did give a mighty fine blowjob.
Chill. GH :)
Yep, blood, semen, vaginal secretions and >>>>, hell, I don't remember the 4th. I'm pretty sure it wasn't nail clippings.
X
Wait - let me guess - 4 types of body fluids not including saliva. Err .. blood, semen, err .....?.... ear wax ... no ... err ..pussy juice ... sweat ..tears ... shit ...[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) ... toenail clippings ... oh put me out of my misery for fuck sake:(.
By the way, I once knew a Pinay Maid by the name of Ghonreah .. do you mean her? She did give a mighty fine blowjob.
Chill. GH :)
Thanks for sharing something that must be embarassing to post.
Not too much embarrassing. $hit happens and I've reported my case earlier in April or May or so.
But I think on every published case you can count 50 unreported ones.
Yesterday arrived in AC, had lots SMB's and my first hottie overnight........
As said, regarding STD, I've learned my lesson!
Overall a good 8.5 for the night.
Enjoy! :D
The orignial post was about Ghonreah, and I agree with Av. It can be transferred thru a blowjob.
Yeah, but highly unlikely. Unless she still had semen of his predecessor in her mouth.
I assume it was transmitted by uncovered bum2.
Cheers!
Hunny Buns
07-12-08, 02:09
Is one reason why these establishments will only cater to Koreans. Korean men in Philippines are here to relieve all their stress. They don't speak English, but they have money to spend. They don't have time and they don't have patience. This is a perfect scenario for clubs to make big money. The farangs who haggle over tips and BF are not good investments.
The second reason is that some of these Korean-owned establishments are bars/clubs owned by Korean gangsters who are kicked out of the Korea. When they are wanted by police, they flee the country and settle in Phil, Thailand, Vietnam for a few years until things settle down. So, they are not necessarily out to make a lot of money. Obviously, they do want to make money, but they definitely don't want or need headaches or problems. Too many westerners always draw attention, so they keep it in the down and low. FYI, you don't want to start trouble with these places. These gangsters are extremely psychotic and a little twitch in their small brain will trigger a very violent reaction, because they are foot soldiers/hitmen type.
Conclusion, let's just all get along. There are plenty of fish in the pond called the Philippines.
I want to tell you one experience in Manila. I was leaving the LA cafe and took a cab to Miss Universal. Wanting to see some nookie before taking it back hopefully. I got there. And they were not open yet. Blah blah. Etc. Thank goodness this driver waited to see if I got in or not. He suggested that he could take me to a spot that he knew about. I only remember that is was about 6-8 blocks away from the Miss U. We parked in the back and waited for a few minutes. He assured me that the girls would be starting to work in a few minutes. There was this big picture window. And sure enough about 25 gals came out standing around this window for about 3 minutes. They were all knock outs. And one tall one really caught my eye. They then left the area apparently to another area. The driver took me to the entrance. There were 3 filipinos at the entrance and looked at me and said I was not welcome. I started laughing and was intent on getting that one knockout. I pulled out a $100 bill and said that this might change their mind. The look on the driver's face. Hahaha. The guy at the front door. Said no way yank. Korean only. I then pulled out another $100 and said that maybe my friend wants to join me also. Again I got refused. ! The driver looked at the guy guarding the door and called him a dumb f*ckin Filipino. And we left. We laughed so hard in the taxi on the way to Burgos. And talking about the Korean attitude in Manila. As he said probably some type of higher end of Korean business men funding the place. Set up with philippine women searching for the talent. It was a good experience to see how things can work in the Philippines. But damn. That girl was hot.
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Yeah, but highly unlikely. Unless she still had semen of his predecessor in her mouth.
Cheers!
Ekspat,
According to medical data, gonorrhea can infect the throat and thus can be transmitted via oral sex.
Although this specific forum is not dedicated to STDs, some factual medical references might be helpful here, due to the current topic of discussion.
STD risks based on sex act:
http://sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp
Gonorrhea info:
http://sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/gonorrhea.asp
Play safe! (Or, at least know the risks)
Yeah, but highly unlikely. Unless she still had semen of his predecessor in her mouth.
I assume it was transmitted by uncovered bum2.
Cheers!
Gonorrhea (also gonorrhoea) is amongst the most common sexually transmitted diseases in the world, caused by Neisseria gonorrhoeae.
Non-genital sites in which it thrives are in the rectum, the throat (oropharynx), and the eyes (conjunctivae). The vulva and vagina in women are usually spared because they are lined by stratified epithelial cells—in women the cervix is the usual first site of infection. Gonorrhea spreads during sexual intercourse. Infected women also can pass gonorrhea to their newborn infants during delivery, causing eye infections (conjunctivitis) in their babies (which if left untreated, can cause blindness). Doctors have often attempted to treat this immediately by applying small amounts of silver nitrate or other antibiotic to the eyes of all newborn babies.
Be careful out there,
Slim
Friends, I said "unlikely", I did not say "impossible" to get a STD by BBBJ.
Because I only fucked two girls without condom in two weeks but at least BBBJ from 10 girls.
But with this statement I strongly assume the bumbum was the transmitter.
Just my view in the crystal ball, but finally we won't know 100% exactly.
Greetings from AC! Better stay safe!
Cheers!
5 nights just completed, back in manila now. first night hottie from honey pot. next two nights barfined same waitress from body shop. nice girl, older, 30's. wonderful gf experience, both girls went to sm mall the next morning for breakfast and shopping, holding my hand the whole time. $5 purchases of lipstick and perfume seemed to thrill them. bar-hopping seemed to thrill them.
my 4th night i took off to rest, at 3:15am the waitress knocked on my door quietly at swiss chalet, just off the office. i was surprised, i hadn't asked her to come by. sweet! not horny, just snuggled off to sleep! both girls hung with me until 1-3pm before departing.
night 5 bad experience (s). barfined a girl at geckos who agreed to my wishlist for the evening, then in the room she couldn't perform as agreed. rosie. asked her to leave politely. went back to geckos to complain to mamasan who had recommended the girl. didn't ask for money back, just explained that it was bad business. the girl did not return to geckos and mamasan was peeved at her. i left and went to brown sugar just before 3am and got the exact same experience. different girl, ivy from surigao. got to the room and she seemed shocked by the word blowjob? she just dressed and left, the bar was closed, i was leaving in the morning and no one to complain to.
this is life. 4 good nights, one bad. thanks for all the advice from the gents at kokomos.
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On the subject of blow jobs and std's. Last November I caught a bachtirial infection on my nob from a blow job. The local Doctor told me that STD transmition from blow jobs are 4 times more prelevent than they were 5 years ago. He said the girls are Vaginaly tested (and I presume blood tested) for stds and infections but not oraly. So its not picked up and then alowed to spread. So, (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Head jobs with condomes are a must.
Cunning Stunt
07-12-08, 16:32
With all the discussion about SD, it might be of use to describe a set procedure that I go through with any casual sex partner which has kept me safe from a drippy dick for many a year. It was was told to me many years ago in LOS by a long time asian hand, who also happened to be a military dick doc, and it has worked for me.
First (as in an op theatre) you ensure perfect oral hygiene by administering a thorough cleaning to the necessary bits (both yours and hers) with a 10% betadine solution plus a strong anti-bacterial mouthwash. This takes place in the shower and is a mutual exercise (you do hers - she does yours) which makes it an extremely erotic exercise and also ensures your fuckbunny has a surgically clean cunny.
Then after repairing to the bed you get her in such a position (easy one this) so you can examine her puss for obvious not right signs (you know what I mean, lads). If alls OK, go for it and enjoy yorself (the vaginal/anal penetrative bits covered of course). If not, beat shit out of her and boot her out (only kiddin').
The added secret is to ensure you have a partly full bladder (usually after a few beers - no hardship) and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) immediately after each completed sex act. This clears the urethra of any incipient infection. This is particularly important if you are one of those kamikaze artists who go bareback.
If this all sounds a bit clinical to you, I assure you that as part of a well wrought routine, it is not, and becomes as natural as cleaning your teeth and does not spoil the fun one iota. We are all engaging in a high risk hobby, lads, so stay safe.
The difficult part is ensuring complete compliance with your partner, which I find much easier if you discuss the reasons and requirements beforehand, in which case she is usually all to willing to comply as they are as keen to avoid disease as we should be. GH
Where is a good doctor in A/C for this sort of stuff? I would like to put the information in my palm pilot.
On the subject of blow jobs and std's. Last November I caught a bachtirial infection on my nob from a blow job. The local Doctor told me that STD transmition from blow jobs are 4 times more prelevent than they were 5 years ago. He said the girls are Vaginaly tested (and I presume blood tested) for stds and infections but not oraly. So its not picked up and then alowed to spread. So, (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Head jobs with condomes are a must.
Ok, so sometimes I am one of those guys. I always start out with a condom, but it gets old after a while. So, I've taken the practice of a I'm shot of Rochephin and an oral solution of zithromaxx. This is what I give patients that come to the clinic with questions after being with "risky" girls over the weekend. Easy to do, just go to the doc and say your worried. Still clean after many years of mongering. Bummer to hear about the problems in AC though. Maybe we need a better clinic down there?
Where is a good doctor in A/C for this sort of stuff? I would like to put the information in my palm pilot.
No need for a "good" doctor. Every doctor knows how to handle it.
The treatment is well known. Eg. Ceftriaxone IM and some Cefixime orally.
But if you are on the holiday trip and you get the symptoms, unfortunately then it is too late. The trip is spoilt.
Even with generation-3 antibiotics it takes roughly a week to get rid of it.
And this particular week isn't fun at all.
Believe me, first hand experience!
Stay safe! :D
Travel Fox
07-13-08, 16:31
You know that is the one thing that really makes AC such a put off. Girls playing around with you because you are already out your money and they have in essence already collected theirs. That structure continues to put me off. The girls of Santos and further down Perimiter are going to put out the goods correctly however. My AC modus operandi in the future is to go to places like SM and sign up on the various Philippine dating sites to mix things up a little. I will use the bars as a sort of filler next time. Last trip I met a girl on Fields and got her number. She actually made me date her TWICE but when I was wating for her to arrive at the entrance to the SM mall, where the ATM and bank is, I got a LOT of stares from the local ladies. And I saw, no bullshit, about 5 to 6 black mixes when I went there (the girl I was waiting for was a black mix also). Being black myself I got some serious stares from them and then I started to get back into the "dating" mode and understood that these girls may take work but it beats those shammin ass Dollhouse girls with their 3k showgirl shit and their leave at 4 am to take care of baby bullshit. Anyway, got to have a multi pronged attack in the Phils at all times including in Angeles.
Travelfox
He said the girls are Vaginaly tested and I presume blood tested
Nope. There is for sure NO blood test in this so called "hygiene".
It's not much more than a quick look and maybe a smell-check of the pussy. Thats all.
Simply forget it.
Cheers!
Nope. There is for sure NO blood test in this so called "hygiene".
It's not much more than a quick look and maybe a smell-check of the pussy. Thats all.
Simply forget it.
Cheers!
AFAIK it's a quick smear (and as Ekspat pointed out, an ocular check) and HIV tests are few and far between, although they happen. HIV test requires "consent" in the PI, and formally girls have a right to opt out. Hygiene WILL ground girls though, so it's not a complete joke.
Your call ;)
Travel Fox
07-13-08, 19:46
When the Perimiter and Fields bars are not giving love, you sometimes must go A Santos.
I highly recommend this one if you ever come across her. She blew me so willingly for 45 minutes. Had not one ounce of bodyfat and tasted, like sweet honey... Sex in the evening, sex in the morning. Tipped her nicely for being so damn cooperative.
Travelfox
How about the adress of one who is just "reliable." Good information to have in my palm pilot.
No need for a "good" doctor. Every doctor knows how to handle it.
The treatment is well known. Eg. Ceftriaxone IM and some Cefixime orally.
But if you are on the holiday trip and you get the symptoms, unfortunately then it is too late. The trip is spoilt.
Even with generation-3 antibiotics it takes roughly a week to get rid of it.
And this particular week isn't fun at all.
Believe me, first hand experience!
Stay safe! :D
How about the adress of one who is just "reliable." Good information to have in my palm pilot.
Bill, I'm in AC 10-12 times a year for maximum a week each or even less.
In case I'd get symptoms I'm back home and treat it there.
So I don't know a doctor but for something happens I'd go to
AC Medical Centre in Rizal Street, downtown Angeles.
Have been there once to visit a friend,
it doesn't look too bad.
Cheers!
BTW.
Heavy downpours nowadays (like just now) in AC 2-3 times a day.
Better bring good shoes and good umbrella.
(Better choice, have a girl and stay in room) :D
Cheers!
OT: Boy getting unwanted shower in pic.
Cunning Stunt
07-14-08, 04:33
Sorry, but I guess its like teaching grannies to suck dick (never met one who sucked eggs but met plenty who sucked the other thing) but we all know that the only safe sex is the hand shandy type. Being a contact sport, mongering will always have associated risks and this is a great part of the thrill. There is a certain delectable delight in taking a ho off a third world street or out of a Santos Street hole in the wall bar, knowing full well the dangerous nature of such an venture and this add greatly to the experience and exitement particularly for those jaded mongers who has been there, done everything and has many t-shirts (that they dare not wear). No the question is minimizing the degree of risk, and here some take more stringent measures than others. I have met guys who get their kicks from the death wish barebacking of the skeggiest looking skanks in the bar whilst others erect a inpenetrable spermicidal impregnated rubber barrier between themselves and their partners. Purely depends on what degree of safety net you are happy with. Its all up to personal choice and don't let the sanctimonious killjoys tell you any different.
Blackangst
07-14-08, 05:03
With all the discussion about SD, it might be of use to describe a set procedure that I go through with any casual sex partner which has kept me safe from a drippy dick for many a year. It was was told to me many years ago in LOS by a long time asian hand, who also happened to be a military dick doc, and it has worked for me.
First (as in an op theatre) you ensure perfect oral hygiene by administering a thorough cleaning to the necessary bits (both yours and hers) with a 10% betadine solution plus a strong anti-bacterial mouthwash. This takes place in the shower and is a mutual exercise (you do hers - she does yours) which makes it an extremely erotic exercise and also ensures your fuckbunny has a surgically clean cunny.
Then after repairing to the bed you get her in such a position (easy one this) so you can examine her puss for obvious not right signs (you know what I mean, lads). If alls OK, go for it and enjoy yorself (the vaginal/anal penetrative bits covered of course). If not, beat shit out of her and boot her out (only kiddin').
The added secret is to ensure you have a partly full bladder (usually after a few beers - no hardship) and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) immediately after each completed sex act. This clears the urethra of any incipient infection. This is particularly important if you are one of those kamikaze artists who go bareback.
If this all sounds a bit clinical to you, I assure you that as part of a well wrought routine, it is not, and becomes as natural as cleaning your teeth and does not spoil the fun one iota. We are all engaging in a high risk hobby, lads, so stay safe.
The difficult part is ensuring complete compliance with your partner, which I find much easier if you discuss the reasons and requirements beforehand, in which case she is usually all to willing to comply as they are as keen to avoid disease as we should be. GH
Ive read this before, and its been not only debunked, but should be avoided.
Have you seen the warnings and instructions for medical personelle in regards to 10% betadine? Now, Im not saying you or her will have dire exposure, but shit man. How many girls are going to want brown stained skin after your betadine bath? How will the next girl react to YOUR brown stained cock and balls?
Also...this isnt skin youre applying to. Let me tell you what. Go into the bathroom and pour a good amount of listerine on your cock, paying special attention to your urethra. Let us know how that experience goes.
Also. Even if you DID go through with this...STD's are transmitted via body fluids. All the scrubbing and soaking in the world isnt going to clean her wetness when you get her in the bed. It's also not going to protect her from minute friction abrasions, no matter how small, on your cock. Your little bath wont clean your blood.
I applaud your diligence to safety, but this method is not only a wives tale, but downright painful and possibly unhealthy for her.
Cheesemark75
07-14-08, 06:26
Are you sure that you had gonohrrea from a BBBJ, would be interessing to know as I always had think that you could not get gonohrrea or syphillis from receiving oral sex.This chart says you can: http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp
Cunning Stunt
07-14-08, 09:59
ive read this before, and its been not only debunked, but should be avoided.
have you seen the warnings and instructions for medical personelle in regards to 10% betadine? now, im not saying you or her will have dire exposure, but shit man. how many girls are going to want brown stained skin after your betadine bath? how will the next girl react to your brown stained cock and balls?
also...this isnt skin youre applying to. let me tell you what. go into the bathroom and pour a good amount of listerine on your cock, paying special attention to your urethra. let us know how that experience goes.
also. even if you did go through with this...std's are transmitted via body fluids. all the scrubbing and soaking in the world isnt going to clean her wetness when you get her in the bed. it's also not going to protect her from minute friction abrasions, no matter how small, on your cock. your little bath wont clean your blood.
i applaud your diligence to safety, but this method is not only a wives tale, but downright painful and possibly unhealthy for her.
hi blackangst, no i'm not into pain so i'm certainly not going to put anything onto my sensitive parts whats going to sting, burn or stain me brown and i therefore would certainly not expect a partner to do the same. if you go into any mercury drug store or similar you will see betadine comes as a skin cleaner in a light blue bottle (just realised it is 8 and not 10% solution). it is brown coloured but i assure you it washes off and does not sting. it is similar, but more effective than the myriad types of fem cleaner you see on the market. i have had no problem using it and have also not had any probs getting girls to use it.
what fool would want to put listerine on his cock. but it is effective in killing off some of the harmful bacteria that can be found in the mouth and throat.
i, and any self respecting monger know, of course, that bodily fluids, is the vessel for std. this is why you ensure that you do not exchange any (except perhaps saliva). this is why you cover up before penetrative sex. oral sex is a grey area - i for one prefer it uncovered as most guys do. but this puts you at risk but you can minimize the risks for her and you, by ensuring that your tool and her mouth are as clean as possible. this does not negate the risk but does lessen it. it is much easier to give sd through oral sex than to receive it although as pointed out earlier, clap can be transmitted through a bj. similarly if you engage in cunninlingus, you should concentrate on the clit (which the girls wants anyway) and stay well away from the mucusal parts of the vagina.
similarly the jury is out on the benefits of peeing immediately after sex but as [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) is sterile it certainly can do you no harm to flush out your urethra immediately following sex as it can clear out potential bacterial infective agents. so it is recommended as a protective measure.
i have maybe been lucky but by following my few simple hygiene rules, i have stayed clear of std. i know that you cannot negate the risk but you can lessen it.
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Blackangst
07-14-08, 14:03
Gama:
Perhaps I misunderstood about the listerine...the way it was written it sounded like you were advocating using it down below. Ouch!
I dunno man. Personally I would (and do) just use a standard anti-bacterial soap before hopping in the sack. The benefit of anti-bacterial is that it leaves a a residue that continues to kill bacteria for several hours. And a Listerine mouth rinse I guess is standard hygiene practice IMHO. After a night in AC (or in my case usually-Manila) after a night on the town I WANT to take a shower and freshen up. The girls do too.
Whatever works right? Neither you or I have gotten a bug, and we use different methods. (Personal opinion coming up!) I just dont know if I could go thru the pre-surgery routine you list. I think it would kill the mood for me lol. I understand the desire for a good offense here. I think a simple round of anti-biotics a few days into the trip would suffice.
And I know Ive read this somewhere before I just dont know where. Could be you posted it elsewhere :)
Thanks. I have a habit of collecting mongering info in my palm. It has served me well.
Bill, I'm in AC 10-12 times a year for maximum a week each or even less.
In case I'd get symptoms I'm back home and treat it there.
So I don't know a doctor but for something happens I'd go to
AC Medical Centre in Rizal Street, downtown Angeles.
Have been there once to visit a friend,
it doesn't look too bad.
Cheers!
This is a joke, is it not?
When the Perimiter and Fields bars are not giving love, you sometimes must go A Santos.
I highly recommend this one if you ever come across her. She blew me so willingly for 45 minutes. Had not one ounce of bodyfat and tasted, like sweet honey... Sex in the evening, sex in the morning. Tipped her nicely for being so damn cooperative.
Travelfox
Cunning Stunt
07-14-08, 15:55
Gama:
Whatever works right? Neither you or I have gotten a bug, and we use different methods. (Personal opinion coming up!) I just dont know if I could go thru the pre-surgery routine you list. I think it would kill the mood for me lol. I understand the desire for a good offense here. I think a simple round of anti-biotics a few days into the trip would suffice.
And I know Ive read this somewhere before I just dont know where. Could be you posted it elsewhere :)
Blackangst - You make it sound like I go through a pre-op scrub up but that is not the case, it has just become part of my pre-play routine. I always like to share the shower as I find the erotic intimacy sets the scene for the encounter and this is the perfect opportunity to ensure yours/her oral hygiene.
I am interested in your antibiotic prophylaxsis. What do you take? Is this not dodgy in that you build up a resistance to the antibiotic in question?
No need for a "good" doctor. Every doctor knows how to handle it.
The treatment is well known. Eg. Ceftriaxone IM and some Cefixime orally.
But if you are on the holiday trip and you get the symptoms, unfortunately then it is too late. The trip is spoilt.
Even with generation-3 antibiotics it takes roughly a week to get rid of it.
And this particular week isn't fun at all.
Believe me, first hand experience!
Stay safe! :DThis is all you need to keep Gon. and Cladmydia away.
I take them both before and after I visit PH.
Travel Fox
07-15-08, 00:22
Joke in regards to what?
Not a joke at all, unless you count what I said she did as something a Santos girl should already be doing in the first place. After dealing with some of the other larger bars it was a welcome change to some of the bullshit I encountered on my first and only (and maybe last) trip to AC. So I gave her a little praise and sent along my recommendation...
If that is not what you are referring to then what are you referring to as a joke?
Travelfox
Cunning Stunt
07-16-08, 04:03
This is all you need to keep Gon. and Cladmydia away.
I take them both before and after I visit PH.Really think you guys who take pre and post-exposure antibiotic prophylaxis to ward off STD are NUTS. This is surely how antibiotic tolerance and the development of resistant strains occurs.
And the antibiotics mentioned are not the drug used to treat Chlamydia. That is Azithromycin.
If you must take a prophylaxis, Doxycycline 100mg twice a day for the entire trip would offer some cover against Chlamydia and Syphillis (but not clap) and has the added value of giving you protection against malaria and Lymes Disease! It will also clear up you zits!! Unfortunately it also makes some hypersensitive to UV rays. GH.
Yes, you are correct about developing resistant strains. Here in Korea we now have strains of Gon. Resistant to some antibiotics. And yes, it is Azithromycin, Oral solution. Sorry for the wrong post. My problem is I get frustrated with condoms and almost always finish without. I am a little more scared now, but who knows. A little alcohol, a tight dripping pussy, and a marathon sex session and logic goes out the window. Man I wished I lived there! Need to find some condoms that let me finish with the big "happy ending". Still, disease and preggo free after all these years. I will wear some when I go to Thailand in Sep. Though. Going down to Cebu mid Aug. Hope to see some of you guys there.
Aloha,
Carmex
Just got back from a 17 day trip. Town is dead. 90% of the bars have no customers. Lots of girls just laying around bored. I wonder how a bar owner can even survive it. Somethings got to give.
Had no problems finding a motel room at a moments notice. Only one runner in 27 EWR's. Thank God for Cialis. I preferred the parimeter bars over fields. Less drink pressure and cost less. A couple of bars on Fields tried to overinflate my bill. I survived Typhoon "Frank" which lasted 2 days and managed to avoid any heavy rain for the 2 weeks after. The girls are hungry and I had a great time.
I would like to get a list of bars that are owned by Koreans so I can boycott. I prefer not to spend my money there, my next visit.
Fresno
I would like to get a list of bars that are owned by Koreans so I can boycott. I prefer not to spend my money there, my next visit.
FresnoHere is a start to that list you want to create:
Agasya
Las Vegas
Club Icarus
note that the to follow information has not yet been verified to my standards as of yet (meaning that in this case, i do not yet have a copy of the letter that was delivered), but i felt that the need to inform the public of this information heavily outweighs the need for the confirmation process which can take at the minimum hours and in most cases days to confirm. should i not be able to confirm this information within 48 hours, i will ask the moderators to remove the post and will issue a direct apology to all members of this board in a separate post (but i am highly confident this will not need to happen).
it seems that there is a new "directive" from the mayor’s office that was delivered to the bars within the last seven days or so. (funny how not one of them posted information about it isn’t it).
paraphrasing the "directive" it states that they [authorities] have the right to enter a [any] bar and inspect the books and revenue at any time and close the bar on the spot for any infraction whether national or local as well as potential for filing of charges. it does say something to the effect that the "inspections" will be conducted in a manner that shall not in any way cause any inconvenience to the operation of the business, but if history is any indication of what will happen, the "authorities" will come into a bar to "inspect" and upon entering, the girls will of course rep001ter for the night (or longer) and i have about as much confidence in the these "authorities" abilities to have no negative impact on business as i do that the philippines will be de-listed from the un’s 3rd world country list tomorrow.
should the above information be confirmed by additional source (s), here is the problem, while this may not seem to be an issue to customers, it really is. what this is (whether legal or not, this issue has not yet been determined by any court in the philippines) is side stepping to the need for a mission order (search warrant). those veterans of ac will know that this is simply a run around of the (hardly ever followed law (s) and legal processes that are in force in the philippines) this will allow the "authorities" to enter a bar without any real probable cause. it is far from a quantum leap from the "authorities" going into the bar for one purpose (real or not is irrelevant) and finding something else "wrong". realistically people, read the "directive" again, it basically spells it out for all to read when it says [paraphrasing] "close the bar on the spot for any infraction whether national or local".
i can remember a couple of years ago when people were talking about the aftermath of one of the raids in ac, most of them said "they would never arrest a customer for being inside of a bar", but just a short time later during the alaska bar raid, it happened two customers were arrested for being inside of the bar during a lock in party. so no it is not a quantum leap to think that this to will likely be have a similar impact on ac.
so how imo, with evidence (included within this post) to support my theory, does this potentially affect/concern customers of the bars in ac? that depends if you want to end up being arrest like those two customers in the alaska bar raid or not. the conditions just got more probable that the "authorities" will be out more "inspecting".
i would be appalled if i was the only one concerned enough to think that this new "directive" is anything more than a free pass of sorts for the "authorities" to have free unfettered access to the inside of the bars for financial gains and/or for the purposes of forcing the bars to discontinue their current operations. even if the unfeigned motive is not centered in direct relation to financial motivations, the words of the directive speak for themselves and unquestionably go towards demonstrating that there are grounds for admonition (caution) to be used by those who are or will be in ac at best and at worst there is a critical defect in the tourism and entertainment sections of angeles city which has seemingly adopted the new campaign slogan and movement from the mayors office (and all of the other "official government organizations" that is now lets get the bars out of ac.
gentleman (and ladies if the case maybe) this is not a move by the mayors office to open the books of the bars for transparency for the public of the world to view. if it were like that, everyone (who graduated the 6th grade) would know that this would only commence the opening of flood gates to even greater world pressures to stop the "entertainment" venues available in angeles city. evidence points to the simple fact that this town (ac) and the philippines are in the company of the most corrupt elected officials in the world and this is simple viewed by those in the mayors office as a potential revenue stream that has not yet been tapped on this level before.
you just have to laugh at the types of campaigns and ideas these "authorities" and elected officials come up with in this country and in particular ac. even taken at face value they are laughable. how can anyone educated in an industrialized country at a 6th grade level or higher not laugh. here is an elected official (s) office that is coming out with a directive that is all but sure to negatively impact the economy in his city. keep in mind that these are some the same people that have not been able and subsequently imo in the next 1, 000 years will not get their country de-listed as a 3rd world country.
on the bright side of things, it seems as thought the philippines should be moving up in the ranking of something in the near future, regretfully it will/should be in the world ranking for graft and corruption standings. there is a significant chance that the philippines could outrank rwanda in this category.
Some reports suggest that the use of octoxynol spermicide may help reduce the risk of STD transmission.
http://www.drugs.com/cons/octoxynol-9-vaginal.html
However, I have also read other reports that nonoxynol-9 may have the opposite effect.
One full proof method I have, and have never caught anything using this method, is rolling the condom just over the head. I normally buy the smaller tight fitting condom. Roll it over the head. The thicker base then acts like a rubber band holding it in place. Be careful to not lose the erection while you are inside her as the head might shrink and condom may come off. Not quite as good as bb but the next closest thing. The head is protected (most germs get in via the urethra) but the shaft is BB.
If the girl does want full coverage, my preference is Ansell Contempo Nuda (imo better than Lifestyles Ultra thin) and better than many others I have experimented and imported from around the world inc Japan.
Yes, you are correct about developing resistant strains. Here in Korea we now have strains of Gon. Resistant to some antibiotics. And yes, it is Azithromycin, Oral solution. Sorry for the wrong post. My problem is I get frustrated with condoms and almost always finish without. I am a little more scared now, but who knows. A little alcohol, a tight dripping pussy, and a marathon sex session and logic goes out the window. Man I wished I lived there! Need to find some condoms that let me finish with the big "happy ending". Still, disease and preggo free after all these years. I will wear some when I go to Thailand in Sep. Though. Going down to Cebu mid Aug. Hope to see some of you guys there.
Aloha,
Carmex
Just got back from a 17 day trip. Town is dead. 90% of the bars have no customers. Lots of girls just laying around bored. I wonder how a bar owner can even survive it. Somethings got to give.
Had no problems finding a motel room at a moments notice. Only one runner in 27 EWR's. Thank God for Cialis. I preferred the parimeter bars over fields. Less drink pressure and cost less. A couple of bars on Fields tried to overinflate my bill. I survived Typhoon "Frank" which lasted 2 days and managed to avoid any heavy rain for the 2 weeks after. The girls are hungry and I had a great time.
I would like to get a list of bars that are owned by Koreans so I can boycott. I prefer not to spend my money there, my next visit.
Fresno
Good more girls for me when I get there in a few weeks... I hope it isn't pouring rain like crazy however...
sorry I dont like them...in general speaking..can you belive that in subic some bars have plates/signs on the entree which says: ONLY KOREANS ALOWED...hahaha....now ok I wont go there anyway and Im sure they also dont like me, but as a pinoy(Im german) living there...hell, if somebody would post that in my country...well...that wont gona happen anyway...With all due respect, we just guest here and if we dont like things, we can allways go back into our country or some other country. you have to be here xman and then you can see how those "excellent business man" behave in public..
Anyway, Im not sad :D
Blink out
Do they really have signs like that on some of the bars in the PI?
That crap happened to me when I was in Korea and when I lived in Japan for many years. Bars can't pull that crap here in the USA without being sued or burnt down.
Nice report ac freddy,
yes gagoo they have signs, you burn them :D
Guess I will stay in the hotel om the weekend, or I will visit Edsa for a change. Maybe thats why my regurlar AC GF quit workin in bar, aside from the fact she tired, she afraid of raids...
Lets see what will be...maybe time to move to another province :D, surely nobody will go to Angeles city if no bars over there...I wont go there because of the nice mall :))
Another option, close all the bars and turn them into beer bars/clubs...no ladydrinks, just make money on local drinks and beer, no barfine either ...you pay the gurl direct ahahahahaha....
Oh well, I gona see the dark knight now, alone or with somebody, doesnt matter, cause its gona be a gud movie :)
Blink out
I've read quite a few suggestions recently that the foreign bar owners should pack up and move somewhere else.
Just three questions:
- I assume there's an association for the AC bar and business owners. How strong and effective is it?
- Does the national govt have much interest in reining in the corrupt local govt, or is it also its culture to bleed the foreigner?
- Is there a better area, from the point of view of location and a cooperative local govt, that could become the new AC?
There are so many bars and so much investment in the bars I would have thought it would be hard for the bar owners to walk away from AC.
Personally I would love to have an alternative to AC. Ideally with a nice beach, reasonable prices and reasonably easy to get to from Manila airport by bus, car or plane.
It wouldn't have to have the hundreds of bars as AC, but a couple of dozen places to hang out would be perfect. Ideally with a bit of variety of places, e. G. Some quite drinking places to relax, others fun bars with nice young ladies or places to dance.
Puerto Galera and Subic are looking tempting!
It seems that AC is changing, and not all for the better. However after going there so many times, like most other mongerers here I've met a lot of great people and going there is like visiting old friends. That's pretty hard to beat.
Nice report ac freddy,
yes gagoo they have signs, you burn them :D
Guess I will stay in the hotel om the weekend, or I will visit Edsa for a change. Maybe thats why my regurlar AC GF quit workin in bar, aside from the fact she tired, she afraid of raids...
Lets see what will be...maybe time to move to another province :D, surely nobody will go to Angeles city if no bars over there...I wont go there because of the nice mall :))
Another option, close all the bars and turn them into beer bars/clubs...no ladydrinks, just make money on local drinks and beer, no barfine either ...you pay the gurl direct ahahahahaha....
Oh well, I gona see the dark knight now, alone or with somebody, doesnt matter, cause its gona be a gud movie :)
Blink out
Bold Focker
07-18-08, 00:46
Paraphrasing the "directive" it states that they [Authorities] have the right to enter a [any] bar and inspect the books and revenue AT ANY TIME and CLOSE THE BAR ON THE SPOT for any infraction whether National or local as well as potential for filing of charges.
I hope this also means they will close a bar for allowing smoking that has been banned since 2003 but not enforced!
That would be a step in the right direction!
note that the to follow information has not yet been verified to my standards as of yet (meaning that in this case, i do not yet have a copy of the letter that was delivered), but i felt that the need to inform the public of this information heavily outweighs the need for the confirmation process which can take at the minimum hours and in most cases days to confirm. should i not be able to confirm this information within 48 hours, i will ask the moderators to remove the post and will issue a direct apology to all members of this board in a separate post (but i am highly confident this will not need to happen).
it seems that there is a new "directive" from the mayor’s office that was delivered to the bars within the last seven days or so. (funny how not one of them posted information about it isn’t it).
paraphrasing the "directive" it states that they [authorities] have the right to enter a [any] bar and inspect the books and revenue at any time and close the bar on the spot for any infraction whether national or local as well as potential for filing of charges. it does say something to the effect that the "inspections" will be conducted in a manner that shall not in any way cause any inconvenience to the operation of the business, but if history is any indication of what will happen, the "authorities" will come into a bar to "inspect" and upon entering, the girls will of course rep001ter for the night (or longer) and i have about as much confidence in the these "authorities" abilities to have no negative impact on business as i do that the philippines will be de-listed from the un’s 3rd world country list tomorrow.
should the above information be confirmed by additional source (s), here is the problem, while this may not seem to be an issue to customers, it really is. what this is (whether legal or not, this issue has not yet been determined by any court in the philippines) is side stepping to the need for a mission order (search warrant). those veterans of ac will know that this is simply a run around of the (hardly ever followed law (s) and legal processes that are in force in the philippines) this will allow the "authorities" to enter a bar without any real probable cause. it is far from a quantum leap from the "authorities" going into the bar for one purpose (real or not is irrelevant) and finding something else "wrong". realistically people, read the "directive" again, it basically spells it out for all to read when it says [paraphrasing] "close the bar on the spot for any infraction whether national or local".
i can remember a couple of years ago when people were talking about the aftermath of one of the raids in ac, most of them said "they would never arrest a customer for being inside of a bar", but just a short time later during the alaska bar raid, it happened two customers were arrested for being inside of the bar during a lock in party. so no it is not a quantum leap to think that this to will likely be have a similar impact on ac.
so how imo, with evidence (included within this post) to support my theory, does this potentially affect/concern customers of the bars in ac? that depends if you want to end up being arrest like those two customers in the alaska bar raid or not. the conditions just got more probable that the "authorities" will be out more "inspecting".
i would be appalled if i was the only one concerned enough to think that this new "directive" is anything more than a free pass of sorts for the "authorities" to have free unfettered access to the inside of the bars for financial gains and/or for the purposes of forcing the bars to discontinue their current operations. even if the unfeigned motive is not centered in direct relation to financial motivations, the words of the directive speak for themselves and unquestionably go towards demonstrating that there are grounds for admonition (caution) to be used by those who are or will be in ac at best and at worst there is a critical defect in the tourism and entertainment sections of angeles city which has seemingly adopted the new campaign slogan and movement from the mayors office (and all of the other "official government organizations" that is now lets get the bars out of ac.
gentleman (and ladies if the case maybe) this is not a move by the mayors office to open the books of the bars for transparency for the public of the world to view. if it were like that, everyone (who graduated the 6th grade) would know that this would only commence the opening of flood gates to even greater world pressures to stop the "entertainment" venues available in angeles city. evidence points to the simple fact that this town (ac) and the philippines are in the company of the most corrupt elected officials in the world and this is simple viewed by those in the mayors office as a potential revenue stream that has not yet been tapped on this level before.
you just have to laugh at the types of campaigns and ideas these "authorities" and elected officials come up with in this country and in particular ac. even taken at face value they are laughable. how can anyone educated in an industrialized country at a 6th grade level or higher not laugh. here is an elected official (s) office that is coming out with a directive that is all but sure to negatively impact the economy in his city. keep in mind that these are some the same people that have not been able and subsequently imo in the next 1, 000 years will not get their country de-listed as a 3rd world country.
on the bright side of things, it seems as thought the philippines should be moving up in the ranking of something in the near future, regretfully it will/should be in the world ranking for graft and corruption standings. there is a significant chance that the philippines could outrank rwanda in this category.click on the link to read the article that was just published by the sun star (newspaper). this just goes to directly confirm my previous op about the new directive from the mayors office. furthermore, it goes to prove beyond a doubt that the information i obtained from my source(s) was 100% correct again.
here is the link http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/pam/2008/07/18/news/47.women.rescued.from.bars.html
I've read quite a few suggestions recently that the foreign bar owners should pack up and move somewhere else.
Just three questions:
- I assume there's an association for the AC bar and business owners. How strong and effective is it?
- Does the national govt have much interest in reining in the corrupt local govt, or is it also its culture to bleed the foreigner?
- Is there a better area, from the point of view of location and a cooperative local govt, that could become the new AC?
There are so many bars and so much investment in the bars I would have thought it would be hard for the bar owners to walk away from AC.
Personally I would love to have an alternative to AC. Ideally with a nice beach, reasonable prices and reasonably easy to get to from Manila airport by bus, car or plane.
It wouldn't have to have the hundreds of bars as AC, but a couple of dozen places to hang out would be perfect. Ideally with a bit of variety of places, e. G. Some quite drinking places to relax, others fun bars with nice young ladies or places to dance.
Puerto Galera and Subic are looking tempting!
It seems that AC is changing, and not all for the better. However after going there so many times, like most other mongerers here I've met a lot of great people and going there is like visiting old friends. That's pretty hard to beat.There is an association that many (but not all) of the bars belong to, it is called ACTA (Angeles City Tourist Association). It was started in late 2004. Imo (which I have lived here since its formation) ACTA is rather useless and also powerless. Here is an example of why, ACTA had established some Tourist Police to help and assist the tourists int he Fields Ave bar area, Shortly after the new mayor took over, the PNP (Philippine National Police) highups in Manila, told ACTA that the Tourist Police could not have the word "POLICE" on their uniforms as they were not sanctioned by the PNP and had no powers of arrest (or any powers at all). Funding for ACTA has always been a problem, especially in the last few months. ACTA has reduced the number of "personnel" that use to be walking around Fields Ave by 75% due to funding problems. Many bars either did not join or joined and stopped renewing their membership in ACTA (imo) because it was useless and ACTA had not done much for them.
Yes to a degree the national government has an interest in reigning in these elected officials that are so corrupt, but if they do so, they may be exposing the entire country to unwanted international media coverage and or pressure from various countries in the world that would force the closure of AC in a similar fashion to that of K-11 in Cambodia some years ago. There is also the fact that Pampanga (of which its local residents have been called the cockroaches of the Philippines) have a long history of screwing the foreigners. It has always been this way and imo will never change. There is also a part of the culture countrywide that says foreigners are to be bled, but that is vastly in the major cities such as Manila, Makati, the tourists areas and especially Pampanga (where AC is located).
Yes there are alternative locations where the local government does not have such a hard line stance of looking at foreigners as walking ATM machines/banks. The number one area would be the Subic area. There are already bars there, the only potential problem with the subic area is that the Mayor in that area has already stated that he does not want his area to become the "new ac". The mayor is "gordon" there and he (as well as his family) have been pro-bar for many many years. There is bar growth in that area, but not on a scale that will ever be AC, Gordon has already said he doesn't want that and he means it.
I agree that it will be hard for many bar owners to just walk away, but this is not something that will or has happened overnight. I just feel that there will at some point in the future come a time where the "costs" of doing business in AC will not be possible for many of the bars.
With so many new hotel rooms coming online (Lewis, Walkabout, etc) in addition to old inventory, the Sisig Festival better be good :D
Seriously, if you don't mind the weather, this is probably a good time to visit. Lots of hungry mouths to feed..
Blackangst
07-18-08, 22:51
Blackangst - You make it sound like I go through a pre-op scrub up but that is not the case, it has just become part of my pre-play routine. I always like to share the shower as I find the erotic intimacy sets the scene for the encounter and this is the perfect opportunity to ensure yours/her oral hygiene.
I am interested in your antibiotic prophylaxsis. What do you take? Is this not dodgy in that you build up a resistance to the antibiotic in question?
NP I just envisioned a pre-op routine hehe. I personally dont use any antibiotics as prevention (I've needed one afterwards in I dont know how many dozen trips here, Argentina, and Columbia). I dont want the resistance. The only precautions I take are keeping my hep vaccines up to date.
Thanks Freddie,
Very interesting information. It's a real shame there's not an effective national or AC group that can work together to represent the interests of all the foreigners who have invested so much in the Philippines and resist local corruption.
Maybe some development of other areas and a loss of tourists from AC would be a good signal to the local AC govt.
Cheers
There is an association that many (but not all) of the bars belong to, it is called ACTA (Angeles City Tourist Association). It was started in late 2004. Imo (which I have lived here since its formation) ACTA is rather useless and also powerless. Here is an example of why, ACTA had established some Tourist Police to help and assist the tourists int he Fields Ave bar area, Shortly after the new mayor took over, the PNP (Philippine National Police) highups in Manila, told ACTA that the Tourist Police could not have the word "POLICE" on their uniforms as they were not sanctioned by the PNP and had no powers of arrest (or any powers at all). Funding for ACTA has always been a problem, especially in the last few months. ACTA has reduced the number of "personnel" that use to be walking around Fields Ave by 75% due to funding problems. Many bars either did not join or joined and stopped renewing their membership in ACTA (imo) because it was useless and ACTA had not done much for them.
Yes to a degree the national government has an interest in reigning in these elected officials that are so corrupt, but if they do so, they may be exposing the entire country to unwanted international media coverage and or pressure from various countries in the world that would force the closure of AC in a similar fashion to that of K-11 in Cambodia some years ago. There is also the fact that Pampanga (of which its local residents have been called the cockroaches of the Philippines) have a long history of screwing the foreigners. It has always been this way and imo will never change. There is also a part of the culture countrywide that says foreigners are to be bled, but that is vastly in the major cities such as Manila, Makati, the tourists areas and especially Pampanga (where AC is located).
Yes there are alternative locations where the local government does not have such a hard line stance of looking at foreigners as walking ATM machines/banks. The number one area would be the Subic area. There are already bars there, the only potential problem with the subic area is that the Mayor in that area has already stated that he does not want his area to become the "new ac". The mayor is "gordon" there and he (as well as his family) have been pro-bar for many many years. There is bar growth in that area, but not on a scale that will ever be AC, Gordon has already said he doesn't want that and he means it.
I agree that it will be hard for many bar owners to just walk away, but this is not something that will or has happened overnight. I just feel that there will at some point in the future come a time where the "costs" of doing business in AC will not be possible for many of the bars.
First, the lazy one. I took a trike from Kokomos to Robinsons Mall (along the Highway). The guy intially asked for 100 pesos, but then we agreed on 60 pesos.
Half way there I told him to take me to tennis (just a 100 metres further on) and told him I'd give him 70 p. He was very happy with that.
When we got there, he asked me if I would like him to pick me up in one hour after tennis. I said yes, and offered him 120p for that. He said, no it should be 140p! So I gave him the choice, 70p now, or 120p for the round trip. He chose the 70p!
For just a little extra effort, he would have made an extra 50p. That's lazy for you.
THE GOOD TRIKE DRIVER
I found another driver, who also hangs around Kokomos. His name is Nestor and he claims to have been a driver for Phoenix. He's around 55 years old, with good English and a very professional manner, so it's quite possible.
He also claims to be licenced and has a licence with his photo in his trike. Are trike drivers actually licenced with photo licences? If not, it would be a great idea to have strict licencing, like taxi drivers in other countries.
In any case, even if there is some bola bola in what he says, he's a safe driver and very responsive, charges fair rates and I just used to text him from my hotel to tell him to pick me or my gf up and go wherever. Very convenient and I felt pretty comfortable around him.
His number is 0919 835 2461 so you can just text him to meet you somewhere or you can ask for Nestor just in Santos Street, next to Kokomos. Just be sure to agree on the price first, at least until you can be sure to trust him.
Is there any action left?
All the post here seems to point towards a downward trend.
I am thinking of visiting in about 3 weeks.
is there any action left?
all the post here seems to point towards a downward trend.
i am thinking of visiting in about 3 weeks.
hi,
im in ac right now but dont go much to the bars, cause im since friday in my room with my gf :d....guess that says it all...you should try ac, its not the bars its also the gud value for money in terms of food you get here..thats why im here evry weekend..you can walk around, in manila you cant, just in one area and then its hard to go from one place to the other cause traffic is a bit..h..
if you dont like ac, plenty of other places here, subic is near, puerto galera also, just watch out for weather updates, its not funny to go by a bangka to porto if its a bit stormy :d
so, if you never been to ac just try it once..before its gone...
blink
First, the lazy one. I took a trike from Kokomos to Robinsons Mall (along the Highway). The guy intially asked for 100 pesos, but then we agreed on 60 pesos.
Half way there I told him to take me to tennis (just a 100 metres further on) and told him I'd give him 70 p. He was very happy with that.
When we got there, he asked me if I would like him to pick me up in one hour after tennis. I said yes, and offered him 120p for that. He said, no it should be 140p! So I gave him the choice, 70p now, or 120p for the round trip. He chose the 70p!
For just a little extra effort, he would have made an extra 50p. That's lazy for you.
THE GOOD TRIKE DRIVER
I found another driver, who also hangs around Kokomos. His name is Nestor and he claims to have been a driver for Phoenix. He's around 55 years old, with good English and a very professional manner, so it's quite possible.
He also claims to be licenced and has a licence with his photo in his trike. Are trike drivers actually licenced with photo licences? If not, it would be a great idea to have strict licencing, like taxi drivers in other countries.
In any case, even if there is some bola bola in what he says, he's a safe driver and very responsive, charges fair rates and I just used to text him from my hotel to tell him to pick me or my gf up and go wherever. Very convenient and I felt pretty comfortable around him.
His number is 0919 835 2461 so you can just text him to meet you somewhere or you can ask for Nestor just in Santos Street, next to Kokomos. Just be sure to agree on the price first, at least until you can be sure to trust him.
The trikes are "licensed of sorts" by the city. The city authorizes them to have trike stands/stations. Each station/stand is independent from the other ones. They will generally have a formation similar to that of a corporation (albeit a bad one imo) they usually have a president, vice president, secretary of their trike association. Most (if not all) of the associations have/issue their members I.D. cards with their picture on them (as in many cases when a driver brings a customer into a guarded subdivision, the driver must leave his I.D. with the guard and get it back on the way out. This is done so that if there is a problem, the guard(s) can assist the resident/customer and the guard will have the drivers I.D. should the police or barangay need to be called to settle the dispute/problem).
The city IMO should have more strict licensing requirements, but the trike and jeepney drivers "union" have a lot of power here, so that idea is very unlikely to happen.
is there any action left?
all the post here seems to point towards a downward trend.
i am thinking of visiting in about 3 weeks.
there is a lot of negative information that been recently released, but that does not mean that there are still not places (bars) to go to where you can enjoy yourself. just choose your places more carefully and stay away from the "targeted" bars, "targeted" places and keep the good bar reports and reviews that have been done recently fresh in your mind.
i personally like the perimeter road bars. i find that they are certainly cheaper, but they usually offer less pressure for ladies drinks, a more relaxed atmosphere. if there is a negative (not to me, but to others it may be), the number of "stunners" or "10's) on perimeter is really low in comparison to fields ave bars. that said i have been there and barfined many 10's before and it is old now, most of them have stuck up attitudes. i would much rather have a 7 or 8 with a great pleasing personality, who will want to be with me, rather than a 10 who wants to f-me, get her "tip money" and be gone. this of course does not apply if you are spending money left over right, in which case she will pretend as long as you want as she will be expecting to get a large tip when you are done (and should you fail to do so, she will tell every girl in her bar and all her "10" friends that you are "in her opinion" cheap (because you did not tip her p2,000 - p3,000).
i stick with girls that are in the 6-8 range and sometimes a 9 when i get to know her and her attitude and imo most of these girls can be found on perimeter bars and and some fields bars.
Another very clear answer - thanks.
I'll vote for you as the next mayor of AC, so you can introduce strict licencing with all licences displayed! :)
The trikes are "licensed of sorts" by the city. The city authorizes them to have trike stands/stations. Each station/stand is independent from the other ones. They will generally have a formation similar to that of a corporation (albeit a bad one imo) they usually have a president, vice president, secretary of their trike association. Most (if not all) of the associations have/issue their members I.D. cards with their picture on them (as in many cases when a driver brings a customer into a guarded subdivision, the driver must leave his I.D. with the guard and get it back on the way out. This is done so that if there is a problem, the guard(s) can assist the resident/customer and the guard will have the drivers I.D. should the police or barangay need to be called to settle the dispute/problem).
The city IMO should have more strict licensing requirements, but the trike and jeepney drivers "union" have a lot of power here, so that idea is very unlikely to happen.
Trike "lines" (ie traffic rights/membership) can be bought and sold. The trike lines on Fields are, as I understand it, extremely expensive by Philippine standards. This is of course because of the pampagueños long tradition of successfully milking foreigners for what they're worth, which further increases the value of the "lines". And so on.
is there any action left?
all the post here seems to point towards a downward trend.
i am thinking of visiting in about 3 weeks.
of course you should visit! this is the low season and many bars are lacking customers which means that the girls will be motivated. customers have nothing to worry about in ac because the customer is king! :rolleyes:
Hello,
went to "fields" last night after having watched a movie wth my GF..I was quiete a big shocked how empty bars are..Went to Blue nile , all customers were asian..propbly taiwanese, maybe they have a holiday over there.., went up to blue line executive club...count 5 customers, including me..staff told me since daddy B. (papasan) left no more customers :D
Went to la pasha, slight more guests, maybe 8 or 9, not sure..
After that had a delicious meal at Swiss chalet and played hide and seek the titi with my GF laters :D
Woke up 3am by the noise of the neighbour massage place, one drunk asian guy had his big night and spend the massage hookers beside orchid inn some beers and food...went back to my room, played hide and seek again and sleep :)
Weather is very nice now, going back to Manila to work....maybe going makati later tonight..lets see :D
Blink
is there any action left?
all the post here seems to point towards a downward trend.
i am thinking of visiting in about 3 weeks.
i have been to ac once before and that was about 3 months ago.
i will also be there in about 3 weeks, maybe we can scavenge the area together.
there is a lot of action there. maybe it is more expensive then it was before, or less girls, but many places seem to be like that. pattaya in thailand is probably my favorite place, but the costs have gone up sharply in the last 3 or 4 years, especially with the weak dollar. on a daily basis it will cost me less in ac. i could be cheaper in pattaya, but i always take the gogo girls, so maybe my fault, but the price for them is really up compared to 3 or 4 years ago.
anyways, there is a lot of action and choices in ac for relatively cheap.
First, the lazy one. I took a trike from Kokomos to Robinsons Mall (along the Highway). The guy intially asked for 100 pesos, but then we agreed on 60 pesos.
Half way there I told him to take me to tennis (just a 100 metres further on) and told him I'd give him 70 p. He was very happy with that.
When we got there, he asked me if I would like him to pick me up in one hour after tennis. I said yes, and offered him 120p for that. He said, no it should be 140p! So I gave him the choice, 70p now, or 120p for the round trip. He chose the 70p!
For just a little extra effort, he would have made an extra 50p. That's lazy for you.
THE GOOD TRIKE DRIVER
I found another driver, who also hangs around Kokomos. His name is Nestor and he claims to have been a driver for Phoenix. He's around 55 years old, with good English and a very professional manner, so it's quite possible.
He also claims to be licenced and has a licence with his photo in his trike. Are trike drivers actually licenced with photo licences? If not, it would be a great idea to have strict licencing, like taxi drivers in other countries.
In any case, even if there is some bola bola in what he says, he's a safe driver and very responsive, charges fair rates and I just used to text him from my hotel to tell him to pick me or my gf up and go wherever. Very convenient and I felt pretty comfortable around him.
His number is 0919 835 2461 so you can just text him to meet you somewhere or you can ask for Nestor just in Santos Street, next to Kokomos. Just be sure to agree on the price first, at least until you can be sure to trust him.
My ex-wife's family needed a license, but that was in a different city.
Funny thing is her dad drove sometimes and he didn't even have a drivers license. I don't remember any photo ID on the tuk tuk. I think there were some decals posted on the windshield though.
First, the lazy one. I took a trike from Kokomos to Robinsons Mall (along the Highway). The guy intially asked for 100 pesos, but then we agreed on 60 pesos.
Half way there I told him to take me to tennis (just a 100 metres further on) and told him I'd give him 70 p. He was very happy with that.
When we got there, he asked me if I would like him to pick me up in one hour after tennis. I said yes, and offered him 120p for that. He said, no it should be 140p! So I gave him the choice, 70p now, or 120p for the round trip. He chose the 70p!
For just a little extra effort, he would have made an extra 50p. That's lazy for you.
THE GOOD TRIKE DRIVER
I found another driver, who also hangs around Kokomos. His name is Nestor and he claims to have been a driver for Phoenix. He's around 55 years old, with good English and a very professional manner, so it's quite possible.
He also claims to be licenced and has a licence with his photo in his trike. Are trike drivers actually licenced with photo licences? If not, it would be a great idea to have strict licencing, like taxi drivers in other countries.
In any case, even if there is some bola bola in what he says, he's a safe driver and very responsive, charges fair rates and I just used to text him from my hotel to tell him to pick me or my gf up and go wherever. Very convenient and I felt pretty comfortable around him.
His number is 0919 835 2461 so you can just text him to meet you somewhere or you can ask for Nestor just in Santos Street, next to Kokomos. Just be sure to agree on the price first, at least until you can be sure to trust him.
hmm...
driver for phoenix...didnt the onwer got killed in a set up/hold up, stabbed with a knife??some years ago?? I guess I buy new sport shoes and keep on walking :D
Blink
Great. Lets get together. Will send you a PM.
I have 8 days R&R, at this stage i'm looking at 4 nights AC, 2 nights Macau and the other 2 nights, I'm torn between Phuket or Pattaya. Probably go for Phuket because the transfers are quicker and cost less than Pattaya. The other option would be to give Macau a miss and do 4 nights Pattaya.
I know there has been a lot of debate between Pattaya and Phuket but I generally prefer Phuket.
I don't think I can tolerate more than 4 nights of AC due to the lack of fine dining. Feel free to debate, but please post links to menus.
I have been to AC once before and that was about 3 months ago.
I will also be there in about 3 weeks, maybe we can scavenge the area together.
There is a lot of action there. maybe it is more expensive then it was before, or less girls, but many places seem to be like that. Pattaya in Thailand is probably my favorite place, but the costs have gone up sharply in the last 3 or 4 years, especially with the weak dollar. On a daily basis it will cost me less in AC. I could be cheaper in Pattaya, but I always take the gogo girls, so maybe my fault, but the price for them is really up compared to 3 or 4 years ago.
Anyways, there is a lot of action and choices in AC for relatively cheap.
I am planning a trip to the Philippines and love HOT women. Where should I go the first time? Manilla? City of Angels? CEBU? Somewhere else?
Remember, this is my first time in Philippines and I want good prices, quantity, and ease. Please let me know. Thanks.
i don't think i can tolerate more than 4 nights of ac due to the lack of fine dining. feel free to debate, but please post links to menus.
hi pb.
when i was in ac, i only visited one restaurant i considered very good (c italian). of all the rest of the places, nothing really stood out. the wiki travel page does positively describe several other ac restaurants. i only found this site recently, so i can't confirm the quality.
http://wikitravel.org/en/angeles
Hi PB.
When I was in AC, I only visited one restaurant I considered very good (C Italian). Of all the rest of the places, nothing really stood out. The wiki travel page does positively describe several other AC restaurants. I only found this site recently, so I can't confirm the quality.
http://wikitravel.org/en/Angeles
I am looking for the best, easiest place to monger.
I am looking for the best, easiest place to monger.
Juice guy,
when you coming? YOu sit allready in the plane? To tell you frankly, you should spend some more time reading the forums here and then you can make up your mind where to start first. Where you come from? I assume you will land in Manila first, cause thats the international airport in the Philippines.
I suggest you spend one or two nights in Manila area, to get adjusted to the climate here and from your flight. I allways recomend to stay in Bayview park hotel, cause it has a nice manila bayview rooms, is quite quiet and the location is also good. best rate so far on asiatravel.com
Once you arrive there, you should head to LA cafe and get a glimpse whats going on. Its a free lance beer/pub bar with some life music upstairs. Check the forums , enough said here allready. Depends on the time of the day and your condition, you should get a cab to Edsa Entertainment plaza which is just 5 to 10 minutes away from this spot. There you will have many bars in one complex, so in terms of time, you can easily visit all and make up your mind.
The same "spot" but more upscale in terms of prices is Makati. A 15 minute drive from Edsa. Just tell the driver "Burgos" and he will understand. Makati is more pricey and you can get the same "thing" for less at Edsa. However, as a first timer , you can make up your mind and see how things run over there.
Next, or the day after, I would suggest you head to Angeles city. More info where to stay can be found under balibago.com...Balbago is the area where the bars are. Its a part of Angeles city. Google for "swagman fly the bus" or "southern star shuttle service Manila-ANgeles city" and make up your own mind regarding transportation and going there. Depends on the date and the time you like to go there.Price for transport is 500p..If you hire a private car it can be between 2500p and 3000p.
Angeles city has his own airport called Clark base. From here you can access many destination within he Philippines. Depends on your time being here and on your budget you can decide on your own when here.
Also consider the time you arrive here. Its not funny to fly when a typhoon is around :D, neither to go by a ferry.
Hope this helps a bit. In return post a good report in here , so we can see how you did and what you experienced.
Blink
Ace of Spades
07-23-08, 12:02
I have been in AC for one month already on my second trip; I visited once before in Sept 2007. I would like to share my thoughts as a young Black male who does not frequent the bars too much.
Overall people are friendly, but:
Filipinos have such odd behaviour sometimes. You ask them a simple question like "where is such and such a place?” they stare off in outer space and look clueless.
I have been in other situations where businesses that cater to locals mainly let on that they have no time to provide me service, WTF? I will ask a question and the clerk/cashier will just go off and do something else like I do not exist. I have this experience like almost every day. I also get hard looks from some locals.
I was told by one travel agent that I was wasting her time by asking a few questions about visa costs (over two occasions). She lost at least a few hundred dollars in business with those words.
I tried to open a bank account at the Bank of the Philippines Islands near the NEPO mall -- The clerks got all strange and funny acting! I went there twice -- the second time the clerk look so afraid. I did manage to open an account at the Banc de Oro -- I had a talk with the manager and had no problems.
Filipino "friends" have already started asking me for loans. A friend who operates a laundry service was giving a disconnection notice for an unpaid electric bill, she did not have enough money, she was 1500 pesos short (she owed 10000 pesos). She showed me the electric bill and the disconnection notice. I have not been repaid, despite her promises to do so. No more loans from me.
In my previous postings, I already mentioned about the bar girl who I offered to support financially (10, 000 pesos per month) if she left the bar. She pulled a vanishing act and later turned up still working in the bar. WTF? Keep in mind, she has a daughter and an aging mother to support.
I have traveled a lot in my life, but I have never seen such strange people BEFORE. I always thought that Mainland Chinese people were strange, but Filipinos are even more weird! They speak english, but seem really lost. Logic and common sense are seriously lacking here.
Member #4214
07-23-08, 12:39
Overall people are friendly, but ...Filipinos have such odd behaviour sometimes ... They speak english, but seem really lost. Logic and common sense are seriously lacking here.They are living in, and only know, a warped community, where western 'common sense' most often doesn't apply. (For example, very often the police are your worst enemy.) If you understood where they were coming from. How they were raised, what they were taught, what real-life lessons they've learned, the rules and strictures under which they live and work. All would make much more sense to you.
You had a month there, so perhaps in the future you will have other long stretches in the country. If you are really perplexed, I would just prompt you to explore seeing the 'world' through Filipino eyes. Some find it a great adventure.
I've been living in various Asian countries for over a decade now, and have found that unless one runs into a truly crazy person, the vast majority of odd or nonsensical activity ultimately fits with the local context, culture, call it what you will. It just takes an outsider a very, very long time to really get their arms around that context. Generally I find it is not the individual I'm dealing with who is illogical, but that they are making decisions in a framework wholly foreign to those in my home country and experience.
Ok. Show up in Angeles or for that matter any mall in Philippines. Stand there and the ladies will do the work for you. Simple huh. If you have difficulty with these directions then you need alot more help than this board can give you. Enjoy!
They speak english, but seem really lost. Logic and common sense are seriously lacking here.
Sounds like all women...hahaha.
Remember this qoute from "As good as it gets"
Receptionist: How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall (Jack Nicholson): I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.
Thanks for the recommendation Maple.
My favorite eats at my other mongering sites
Macau - Copa Steakhouse at the Sands (imo Mortons at Venetian did not quite cut it)
Phuket - La Boucherie (amazing Chateaubriand from Argentina)
I have been married to a Filipino for 15 yrs, and have been visiting the islands since 1991. Here are some of my observations:
Some Filipinos are very intimidated and shy when it comes to contact with westerners. Rather than give a wrong answer they will ignore you. I have actually had some give me the wrong information, not out of meanness, they just wanted to please.
I cannot speak to "hard looks." However, I can tell you that in most provinces (not Muslim dominated south) westerners are met with smiles galore.
The bank account is easy, the lower level employees are terrified of making a mistake. I have a bank account in one of the provinces. When I arrive I never wait in a teller line, one of the clericals at the desk come to greet me.
Avoid loaning money, they have a story for every occasion. Ironically, it is usually the ones who have gotten use to better that want to borrow money. The poor people in the provinces are just the opposite, they will share their last bowl of rice with you.
The bar girl was simply trying to work a situation at both ends, collect the money and make some more. She got use to better.
I have been in AC for one month already on my second trip; I visited once before in Sept 2007. I would like to share my thoughts as a young Black male who does not frequent the bars too much.
Overall people are friendly, but:
Filipinos have such odd behaviour sometimes. You ask them a simple question like "where is such and such a place?” they stare off in outer space and look clueless.
I have been in other situations where businesses that cater to locals mainly let on that they have no time to provide me service, WTF? I will ask a question and the clerk/cashier will just go off and do something else like I do not exist. I have this experience like almost every day. I also get hard looks from some locals.
I was told by one travel agent that I was wasting her time by asking a few questions about visa costs (over two occasions). She lost at least a few hundred dollars in business with those words.
I tried to open a bank account at the Bank of the Philippines Islands near the NEPO mall -- The clerks got all strange and funny acting! I went there twice -- the second time the clerk look so afraid. I did manage to open an account at the Banc de Oro -- I had a talk with the manager and had no problems.
Filipino "friends" have already started asking me for loans. A friend who operates a laundry service was giving a disconnection notice for an unpaid electric bill, she did not have enough money, she was 1500 pesos short (she owed 10000 pesos). She showed me the electric bill and the disconnection notice. I have not been repaid, despite her promises to do so. No more loans from me.
In my previous postings, I already mentioned about the bar girl who I offered to support financially (10, 000 pesos per month) if she left the bar. She pulled a vanishing act and later turned up still working in the bar. WTF? Keep in mind, she has a daughter and an aging mother to support.
I have traveled a lot in my life, but I have never seen such strange people BEFORE. I always thought that Mainland Chinese people were strange, but Filipinos are even more weird! They speak english, but seem really lost. Logic and common sense are seriously lacking here.
To Ace of Spades,
My dear Ace, welcome to Asia and to the life the working girls of the third world. When these girls turn to selling there pussy for money do you think they would just stop for the 10, 000 pesos you offer when they can keep working, make another 10, 000 and keep your s as well. They’ve already sold their "souls" (so to speak) for the money so why wouldn’t they maximize there earning potential. Sounds like good business to me. Hey I wonder if any of them might have more than one boyfriend? Naaa I know she only loves me. Well that’s what I tell myself.
As for asking question and getting blank stairs well that’s possibly a combination two things.
1/ (presuming you’re an American) The difficulty of picking up on the American accent (believe me or not/& no offence intended). &
2/ Rules 1 and 2 of the Philippino customer service manual that I believe state. 1/ One should only assist the customer in the act of parting them from their money. &
2/A service attendant should do as little as possible as often as possible and assist in the least possible way while at all times not expending any more mental energy than what is required to remain in a semi conscious state.
If you just remember that we’re not customers. We’re ATM’s, once you learn that it all begins to fit into place.
# (All apologies extended, to the small percentage of Philipinos who are not lazy, un educated and chronically brain dead. They do exist as I have met a few. All power to them.
Below is a picture of a bar girl on my bed about to blow me with those all day sucker lips. She’s on the phone to her Norwegian boyfriend asking for more money and telling him she doesn’t do that kinda work any more. Well I have news for him, she was kinda right, it wasn’t work, it was all fun
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When I was in AC my barfine and me went to the Disco. There were two girls she knew. She told me they used to work in her bar but now they are barfined permanently by some Japanese men.
We all danced together. Later two korean men came and sat near us. Some smiles and sure enough the girls went and sat with them. Later I heard the men paid them 3000 pesos each of them for the night.
Do not be under the illusion that you will make a GF from the bar unless you live with her. Any chance she gets she will use it to make money.
I am looking for the best, easiest place to monger.
If you go to some of the places that other members have mentioned, you are pretty much guaranteed to get laid...for money of course.
La cafe is a lot of fun for me. I like it when girls try to pick me up, or I really love it when girls compete for me. Or I dance with a half dozen girls and have them all wondering if I will pick them.
Makati has a lot of action, but too expensive and pushy for me; money goes fast!!! I saved some money by having the girls come to my hotel after their club closed.
Angeles has an abundance of girls for a good price. If you can't get laid in AC, you will not get laid anywhere. There are many choices, and it's pretty cheap. There isn't much else to do in AC though.
I have never been to the Edsa area. I'll have to give it a look in a couple weeks.
I have never been to Cebu either, but I'll be checking that out in a few weeks too.
Another very popular place for choices and ease of getting laid, is in Pattaya, Thailand. Round trip airfare from Manila to Bangkok isn't too bad.
Fastpiston
07-24-08, 02:11
I have been in AC for one month already on my second trip; I visited once before in Sept 2007. I would like to share my thoughts as a young Black male who does not frequent the bars too much.
Overall people are friendly, but:
Filipinos have such odd behaviour sometimes. You ask them a simple question like "where is such and such a place?” they stare off in outer space and look clueless.
I have been in other situations where businesses that cater to locals mainly let on that they have no time to provide me service, WTF? I will ask a question and the clerk/cashier will just go off and do something else like I do not exist. I have this experience like almost every day. I also get hard looks from some locals.
I was told by one travel agent that I was wasting her time by asking a few questions about visa costs (over two occasions). She lost at least a few hundred dollars in business with those words.
I tried to open a bank account at the Bank of the Philippines Islands near the NEPO mall -- The clerks got all strange and funny acting! I went there twice -- the second time the clerk look so afraid. I did manage to open an account at the Banc de Oro -- I had a talk with the manager and had no problems.
Filipino "friends" have already started asking me for loans. A friend who operates a laundry service was giving a disconnection notice for an unpaid electric bill, she did not have enough money, she was 1500 pesos short (she owed 10000 pesos). She showed me the electric bill and the disconnection notice. I have not been repaid, despite her promises to do so. No more loans from me.
In my previous postings, I already mentioned about the bar girl who I offered to support financially (10, 000 pesos per month) if she left the bar. She pulled a vanishing act and later turned up still working in the bar. WTF? Keep in mind, she has a daughter and an aging mother to support.
I have traveled a lot in my life, but I have never seen such strange people BEFORE. I always thought that Mainland Chinese people were strange, but Filipinos are even more weird! They speak english, but seem really lost. Logic and common sense are seriously lacking here.
NEVER 'lend' money in Philippines. A LOAN translates into GIFT. I have seen Filipino lenders lend to farmers and collect their money back by standing by the farmer in the field at harvest and requiring the required rice gets put into the sacks they are holding. I don't think you want to get into that action just to get your money back!
NEVER 'lend' money in Philippines.
Very good basic advice.
But if you must:
1) Get some kind of collateral and make you sure you really control it physically.
2) Try to make it cheaper/easier to repay you than to have you killed.
3) Charge some reasonable interest. A non-secured loan can run up to 10% PER MONTH in the PI, even more if they use 5/6 or Bombay 5/6 (Indian lenders)
I have been in AC for one month already on my second trip; I visited once before in Sept 2007. I would like to share my thoughts as a young Black male who does not frequent the bars too much.
Overall people are friendly, but:
Filipinos have such odd behaviour sometimes. You ask them a simple question like "where is such and such a place?” they stare off in outer space and look clueless.
I have been in other situations where businesses that cater to locals mainly let on that they have no time to provide me service, WTF? I will ask a question and the clerk/cashier will just go off and do something else like I do not exist. I have this experience like almost every day. I also get hard looks from some locals.
I was told by one travel agent that I was wasting her time by asking a few questions about visa costs (over two occasions). She lost at least a few hundred dollars in business with those words.
I tried to open a bank account at the Bank of the Philippines Islands near the NEPO mall -- The clerks got all strange and funny acting! I went there twice -- the second time the clerk look so afraid. I did manage to open an account at the Banc de Oro -- I had a talk with the manager and had no problems.
Filipino "friends" have already started asking me for loans. A friend who operates a laundry service was giving a disconnection notice for an unpaid electric bill, she did not have enough money, she was 1500 pesos short (she owed 10000 pesos). She showed me the electric bill and the disconnection notice. I have not been repaid, despite her promises to do so. No more loans from me.
In my previous postings, I already mentioned about the bar girl who I offered to support financially (10, 000 pesos per month) if she left the bar. She pulled a vanishing act and later turned up still working in the bar. WTF? Keep in mind, she has a daughter and an aging mother to support.
I have traveled a lot in my life, but I have never seen such strange people BEFORE. I always thought that Mainland Chinese people were strange, but Filipinos are even more weird! They speak english, but seem really lost. Logic and common sense are seriously lacking here.
I am brother such as you late 20s. I live in Metro Manila about 30 mins from Makati
Being black in the Philippines has its up and downs.
I had a lady at beauty salon ask my girlfriend where I am from because I am not that black. My ole lady told her US then she goes yeah some black guys are so black they look scary. I had a bargirl in (Cebu) back in May ask why my skin is so black. At 20 years old she had no knowledge of genetics and heritage. I had a taxi driver say am Negro when I responded with “What the fuck you say!” he didn’t repeat. It’s hard putting up with such ignorance. I have lived in Japan, and spent a lot of time in Thailand. I do believe Asia is for white guys in general. I been coming here (PI) since 04. I am new to the p4p in PI though as I always had steady Filipina girlfriends during that period. Now I am in a LTR so I just stick to the bars for fun.
My first trip to Angeles was back in January. I had some girls refuse to go with me. I am young looking in excellent shape and I have a pocket full of pesos and look like it. So was their decision not to go based on me being of the dark variety if was a betting man I would say yeah. All in all I still had fun. For everyone that didn’t want to go their were 10 that was dying to. I will be back in Angeles in October if I don’t give Indonesia a try or hell I might hit both :)
Don't give Filipinos money Ace. Nothing good will come out of it. They will only see you as stupid and gullible trust me learned from experience. The request will not stop. Their requests will become like a terminator (see the description of the Cyborg from the motion picture). Unrelenting, it knows no compassion no remorse.
Doing legit business with Filipinos and being black they will look down to you. Don’t matter if your American doesn’t matter if you in the 6 figure income bracket such as myself they will look down to you simply because of your skin. Anyway those are my experiences.
Take It Sleazy But Not Like Marv Albert :)
I only found this site recently, so I can't confirm the quality.
http://wikitravel.org/en/AngelesA fairly hit-or-miss list of restaurants, imho. The Filipino recommendations are all good, as you'd expect. (Though they missed a couple excellent ones, like Gerry's Grill in the mall.) Of the international ones, I'd vouch for C', Maranao Grill, Cottage Kitchen, Red Crab, and Bretto's. And add Swiss Chalet and Red Sea, and any number of Korean places, starting with Maharaja.
Once and for all, there is NO shortage of good food in AC. You just need to get off the main tourist drag and go looking for it.
My first trip to Angeles was back in January. I had some girls refuse to go with me.
Brother, that's indeed quite unusual! Be assured that you had simply bad luck! However, take it easy: for the one who refused you ten others would have been more than happy to go with you!
Cheers!
AussieOverboard
07-24-08, 06:41
[QUOTE=D Etat]Doing legit business with Filipinos and being black they will look down to you. Don’t matter if your American doesn’t matter if you in the 6 figure income bracket such as myself they will look down to you simply because of your skin. Anyway those are my experiences.[QUOTE]
I have to agree with you, as a general rule Filipinos and Filipinas will look down on you if you are dark.
They consider dark being a bad thing, you only have to look at skin care products advertised on their tv. They all have "Extra Whitening Power" I always thought that was good for washing clothing but who knew it was a good line for skin care.
My Long Time Girfriend is on the darker side for a filipina and hates her colour. SHe is happy that we will have children one day because she hopes they will be much lighter than her.
I have never told her that I prefer dark chocolate over white anytime LOL.
ANyway thats my 2 cents!!!
Ace of Spades
07-24-08, 08:11
Thanks for the replies.
I admit the 1500 pesos "loan" was a mistake -- but I did it to help a friend in need who rents space for her laundry service. She would have had to pay an extra 5000 pesos on top of her electrical bill to have the power turned back on. I saved her business and also the jobs of the people who work for her.
I have decided to leave bar girls in the bar where they belong.
As for racism/colorism issues:
I have been travelling for a long time in many countries (10 years -- 3RD time in the Philippines), I have been to 8 countries so far, so I am very much well aware of the challenges that Black people face Most of my problems so far in Angeles City were likely a combination of the above and also cultural differences/miscommunication.
Regardless of what Filipinos think of me or my color, they hold no power over me in their country. I just came here to get laid cheaply. Maybe it does not get any better than this!
To the "brother" in his early 20s or others in town:
PM send me your details and any others.
I would like to hear about your business activities.
Ace of Spades
07-24-08, 08:13
Can someone tell me more about the Bombay 5/6 (Indian lenders) ?
Darth Sushi
07-24-08, 11:55
Can someone tell me more about the Bombay 5/6 (Indian lenders) ?
Basically, you barrow 5 and pay back 6 or 20%. They're basically Indian loan sharks who'll try to do their best to get more than the 20% promised. These guys will often go to your place of business to collect daily. There is a long history of negative connotations with the term. Parents telling their kids to behave will say things like “I will give you away to a Bombay 5-6 if you don't behave!” Sounds like a Filipino boogeyman. It's mostly micro-loans but there are bigger loans available. Personally, I see it as a mob-loan.
Ace of Spades
07-24-08, 14:21
I have seen Indian or South Asian people along Fields driving Motorcycles and also in other parts of the town. These guys do not look like bar men. Chances are these guys are money lenders or here other for other businesses.
I wonder if these guys are actually making any money? The return looks big in thought (20%), but this amounts to exploiting the locals, not a good way to make friends. Violence from locals, especially gangs, must be a big problem if these lenders become too demanding.
Does anyone know the incidence of genital herpes among the girls in Angeles?
I am still laughing, thank you.
You must mean Filipina?
Unless you are gay.
from time to time they get killed, robbed or both..not a good business option in the Philippines..Hell..who cant be that stupid lending money to pinoys..hahahahaha..
Blink :D
Ok, guys just want to weigh in on the being black in PI subject. Yes, it is true some girls will not go with black guys. Same as all over the world. The girls either seem to really like black guys or not at all. My first time in PI was with 3 black guys and me, pure white dude from Hawaii. When we used to go into bars in AC, it was like being with rock stars! Girls would flock to one of the black guys, named Jason. We would walk in and like 6 girls would jump on him. Happened every time. I was like, "whats up with me? " Anyway, second time in PI, back in same bar months later and girls are like, "Hey, wheres your friend, Jason?" Dude was medium black with a bald head. Good lookin brother though. Just a really great attitude will get you a long way in the PI, no matter what your skin color. Isn't it that way all over the world?
Carmex
Cheesemark75
07-25-08, 08:27
I wonder if these guys are actually making any money? The return looks big in thought (20%), but this amounts to exploiting the locals, not a good way to make friends. Violence from locals, especially gangs, must be a big problem if these lenders become too demanding.5/6 means a short term loan with 20% interest. It is popular despite being illegal. They led you money; let's say 5000PHP, and you have to pay them back 6000PHP in a couple of months. I've only heard stories, and I've never actually experienced it.
Obviously, it has to work somehow, otherwise this industry would've gone away a long time ago. The "bombay" may have some connection with local thugs. At any rate, they hire people, such as local thugs, to enforce their deal. Their victims are usually impoverished farmers and the like.
Ok, guys just want to weigh in on the being black in PI subject. Yes, it is true some girls will not go with black guys. Same as all over the world. The girls either seem to really like black guys or not at all. My first time in PI was with 3 black guys and me, pure white dude from Hawaii. When we used to go into bars in AC, it was like being with rock stars! Girls would flock to one of the black guys, named Jason. We would walk in and like 6 girls would jump on him. Happened every time. I was like, "whats up with me? " Anyway, second time in PI, back in same bar months later and girls are like, "Hey, wheres your friend, Jason?" Dude was medium black with a bald head. Good lookin brother though. Just a really great attitude will get you a long way in the PI, no matter what your skin color. Isn't it that way all over the world?
Carmex
I have experienced what you described above in Thailand and only in Thailand. I have been visiting this place for the last four years bruh. I have a house here. A great attitude won't get you a long way in PI. A great attitude in PI will probably get you here:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/pam/2008/07/04/news/american.killed.inside.his.residence.html
or here
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/07/15/news/american.national.70.found.dead.hogtied.with.towel.used.to.cover.his.mouth.html
Ok, guys just want to weigh in on the being black in PI subject. Yes, it is true some girls will not go with black guys. Same as all over the world. The girls either seem to really like black guys or not at all. My first time in PI was with 3 black guys and me, pure white dude from Hawaii. When we used to go into bars in AC, it was like being with rock stars! Girls would flock to one of the black guys, named Jason. We would walk in and like 6 girls would jump on him. Happened every time. I was like, "whats up with me? " Anyway, second time in PI, back in same bar months later and girls are like, "Hey, wheres your friend, Jason?" Dude was medium black with a bald head. Good lookin brother though. Just a really great attitude will get you a long way in the PI, no matter what your skin color. Isn't it that way all over the world?
Carmex
I think it's mostly they aren't use to it, or they think they have some really large equipment that might hurt them. When I lived in Japan, some Filipina only wanted black guys. Some didn't care what the man was, and yes, some didn't want a black guy. If a black man hangs around Tokyo, he will find lot's of girls who really like black guys. The Filipinos go through school and only see Filipinos, they don't see other races.
Ace of Spades
07-25-08, 15:08
White guys do clean up it seems.
P4P
Skin color in the bars, it probably does not matter very much at least here in Angeles city. There are really just too many girls. Naturally, some will have preferences more than others.
The problems for Blacks ARE when bar girls have more options and are making money. Go to Makati and see if you can get laid there. Girls discriminate big time. Bars and girls can become very picky.
Finding a wife:
It can be hard for an educated Black man to compete here in Asia with even the most below average white guy.
Wow dude,
Can't believe that was your reply to my post. Two guys getting murdered! Still shakin my head. You did however remind me that PH can be dangerous.
I was only relating my experinces. Both times in PI I was with black guys. One lives in Bangkok, so he really knows the deal with p4p, and he was a VERY picky mF. He only took 10's out of the bar. Course, he had the game to deal with the all the attitude. I myself, would take a 7 or 8 without any attitude who would lie to me and tell me, "oh how gwapo, malaki titi, etc. " You know all the lines we love to hear to make us feel better. Anyway, just wanted to say, some Love black guys, and some won't go with them. That was my experience. But, the dude with the fun attitude got tons of girls throwing themselves at him.come to think of it, he gets lots of pussy here in Korea too! Korean, Russian, Filipina, etc.
Ahhhh, to be young again.
Carmex
P.S. Why do you think those guys got murdered?
Forgot to add, the first time we had one black guy from Africa with us. Good lookin brother, real in shape bod, but he was so serious all the time! He doesn't drink, and so, as I remember, a few girls he liked did not go with him. However, when we had an orgy at the hotel later, one girl ran! From him. She jumped into the shower with me and another girl and said, "his dick is too big". She was afraid to go near it. So I asked, "come on baby, how big was it? " She said, "bigger than yours". Ok, thats it, now your gonna get it! Hehehe, was a pretty tight package as I remember.
Bill Buxton
07-25-08, 21:00
I have experienced what you described above in Thailand and only in Thailand. I have been visiting this place for the last four years bruh. I have a house here. A great attitude won't get you a long way in PI. A great attitude in PI will probably get you here:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/pam/2008/07/04/news/american.killed.inside.his.residence.html
or here
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/07/15/news/american.national.70.found.dead.hogtied.with.towel.used.to.cover.his.mouth.htmlI never would live here long time just long enough to get away from the work stress.This can happen to anyone,anytime,if you are not watching all corners.
B.B.
White guys do clean up it seems.
P4P
Skin color in the bars, it probably does not matter very much at least here in Angeles city. There are really just too many girls. Naturally, some will have preferences more than others.
The problems for Blacks ARE when bar girls have more options and are making money. Go to Makati and see if you can get laid there. Girls discriminate big time. Bars and girls can become very picky.
Finding a wife:
It can be hard for an educated Black man to compete here in Asia with even the most below average white guy.
My ole lady of two years a Filipina whom I met in Tokyo and whom I have known personally for four years have told me that whites are preferred and more respected its that simple.
If you want to see the real Filipina take a trip to Dubai where the girls are working legit jobs and they have money real money. Most of the time they are dating Pinoy guys and don’t look twice at foreigners. P4P with Filipina in Dubai don’t bother they are the bottom of the barrel.
As I said in Angeles some girls were begging to go with me. Mostly lower tier. I am picky especially when I am paying for it an none of the girls was hotter then my ole lady. When I step out its nice to step the fuck up!
Wow dude,
Can't believe that was your reply to my post. Two guys getting murdered! Still shakin my head. You did however remind me that PH can be dangerous.
Carmex
P.S. Why do you think those guys got murdered?
Two reasons either being rude or extremely arrogant or being too generous and friendly. In PI you have to be a Zen master and find that middle ground your life depends on it.....
Violence in Phi generally and more often happens to people who are staying in apartments and houses.
If you are staying at a well guarded hotel the chances are less or non-existant.
The motive is usually robbery or jealousy from live in GF.
Ace of Spades
07-26-08, 15:50
Every time I hear a story of an expat found dead at home as a result of home invasion, it almost always involves guys who have been living here for years not just a tourist who arrived in town. The sad thing is that the thieves probably don't get away with very much, maybe a few hundred dollars at most. yet a person's life has been taken. The murdered victim would probably give the thieves lots more money if his life was spared.
Filipino bad guys have a bizarre way of doing things. These guys will kill over small change!
Every time I hear a story of an expat found dead at home as a result of home invasion, it almost always involves guys who have been living here for years not just a tourist who arrived in town. The sad thing is that the thieves probably don't get away with very much, maybe a few hundred dollars at most. yet a person's life has been taken. The murdered victim would probably give the thieves lots more money if his life was spared.
Filipino bad guys have a bizarre way of doing things. These guys will kill over small change!
......Welcome to the third world. We are walking ATMs in this country. Back in May was hanging out late one night in Quezon City and all the people just was staring at me my ole lady said we should have left you in the car. I am like why? She said because you look like pesos.
All in all even with all the bullshit it's still a great place if you are just on the hunt for ass :)
Hi,
Im in generel speaking. While driving in a cab yesterday. I forgt to lock the door, savety lock. We pass a side street at daylight and one old guy point at the open door to me, made me understand to lock it. A few meters I saw why he told me, two young guys totally "stoned" came to my cab, makeing some fun faces..staring at me..pinoys are very fast, it was at daylight, they full of drugs and those things allways occur while they full of drugs, no thinking , no plan, just acting...
It was daylight..so next time, when riding a cab. make sure you lock the doors :)
Blink
Ace of Spades
07-27-08, 05:57
Angeles city's best kept secret is that Dennis Rodman's father lives in town and owns a small restaurant with great food at cheap prices. He has lots of stories to tell -- he has been living in AC for like 40 years. Highly recommended!
His restaurant is opposite the Blue Fields Hotel.
GoodEnough
07-27-08, 06:14
Violence in Phi generally and more often happens to people who are staying in apartments and houses.
If you are staying at a well guarded hotel the chances are less or non-existant.
The motive is usually robbery or jealousy from live in GF.
Still another reason why I like Davao so much. The mayor has said quite publicly that foreigners here are to be protected, and that messing with them means messing with him, which believe me no one wants. There's never any violence here directed at foreigners no matter where they're staying.
GE
Bill Buxton
07-27-08, 13:45
Every time I hear a story of an expat found dead at home as a result of home invasion, it almost always involves guys who have been living here for years not just a tourist who arrived in town. The sad thing is that the thieves probably don't get away with very much, maybe a few hundred dollars at most. yet a person's life has been taken. The murdered victim would probably give the thieves lots more money if his life was spared.
Filipino bad guys have a bizarre way of doing things. These guys will kill over small change!I am sure when a person lives in an area for an extended period of time he is a mark.Have you ever noticed when you go for a walk many know your name? place you stay if you stop for a quick chat.Beleave me people talk,the ask questions,from the place you buy your beer,food and get your laundry washed and folded.
The talking is just part of the bamboo pipeline that services the area.I am sure they know just like a casino would know back home WHAT YOU DO WHEN AND HOW MUCH.In most cases its just for the being friendly attatude most have,but it can run deeper in other circles.You never know who knows what because so much info gets out around.
Like I said in another post never give out lots of info and why build yourself up too be a greater walking liability than you have to be.It's not anydifferent here than in anyother place on the globe.If you put yourself in the rong area at the right time you will get bitten.
Try checking into a motel and see after a day or two who knows where you went the night before, what you spent, and who you brought home and had exit before the sun came up.It will blow your mind how much info gets pushed around the bamboo hotline.And some here say the people are not that smart,think again.I would even bet they know if you have on boxers or briefs.
Play safe,
B.B.
Every time I hear a story of an expat found dead at home as a result of home invasion, it almost always involves guys who have been living here for years not just a tourist who arrived in town. The sad thing is that the thieves probably don't get away with very much, maybe a few hundred dollars at most. yet a person's life has been taken. The murdered victim would probably give the thieves lots more money if his life was spared.
Filipino bad guys have a bizarre way of doing things. These guys will kill over small change!
If caught they'd get a year in jail at most. Death for getting caught w/200 hits of ectasy but maybe only a year for killing a round eyed expat!! That will let you know how high on the food chain the caucasian is considered in SE Asia! Remember the nanny that paid her brothers $200 usd to stab her Clark AFB Airman ATM's wife to death in the late 80s? The stabbers did a year and the trollup was out in a matter of months for ratting out her brothers she hired to do it!! In Thailand you commit "suicide" flying off a balcony, found hanging with your hands bound or by smothering yourself with a trash bag. Only a fool lives ungated in SE Asia or any Spanish/Portugese Speaking country. In Brasil a few years back that woman kept her "dissappeared" long-dist-lover-gringo-chump alive for weeks and had him tortured so they could slowly empty his money market fund. When the accounts froze they tightened up the garrott to kill him. There was no investigation. She got caught because she had his credit cards in her purse when her friend's car got towed in SP. As the global ecomomy get's worse (rice price doubled in April) you will see more violent crimes at home (US) and abroad.
What is the name of the place?
Angeles city's best kept secret is that Dennis Rodman's father lives in town and owns a small restaurant with great food at cheap prices. He has lots of stories to tell -- he has been living in AC for like 40 years. Highly recommended!
His restaurant is opposite the Blue Fields Hotel.
Ace of Spades
07-28-08, 10:29
The bar's name I forgot. If you go to the Blue Fields Hotel or the Marquis Hotel walk about 2 to 3 minutes up the the road to the corner where you will find his outdoor bar/restaurant. The place really is not nothing fancy in apperance, but the food is good and the owner is a nice guy with lots of stories to tell. I prefer this place to all of the places on Fields, so much more relaxing with good music.
Ace of Spades
07-28-08, 10:31
Bill and others:
Filipinos seem to have such long memories like elephants!
Fastpiston
07-29-08, 03:43
I am sure when a person lives in an area for an extended period of time he is a mark.Have you ever noticed when you go for a walk many know your name? place you stay if you stop for a quick chat.Beleave me people talk,the ask questions,from the place you buy your beer,food and get your laundry washed and folded.
The talking is just part of the bamboo pipeline that services the area.I am sure they know just like a casino would know back home WHAT YOU DO WHEN AND HOW MUCH.In most cases its just for the being friendly attatude most have,but it can run deeper in other circles.You never know who knows what because so much info gets out around.
Like I said in another post never give out lots of info and why build yourself up too be a greater walking liability than you have to be.It's not anydifferent here than in anyother place on the globe.If you put yourself in the rong area at the right time you will get bitten.
Try checking into a motel and see after a day or two who knows where you went the night before, what you spent, and who you brought home and had exit before the sun came up.It will blow your mind how much info gets pushed around the bamboo hotline.And some here say the people are not that smart,think again.I would even bet they know if you have on boxers or briefs.
Play safe,
B.B.
Filipinos get robbed just as much as expats. The place is basically lawless and one needs to be on one's gurad all the time. One of the groups that are major culprits are the trike drivers as they know when and who enters and leaves a house. Locking a house and going out is not good enough, you need someone to stay in the house 24/7. Also bar all windows. Make sure the bamboo telegraph knows you carry a gun at the house (even if you do not). Filipinos have huge respect for people with a gun.
AsianLover2
07-29-08, 15:27
does anyone know the incidence of genital herpes among the girls in angeles?no one knows an accurate incidence level of any std in ac. they do know that std's are being passed around.
since most girls will have unprotected sex and if you frequently sample the local talent, you will be exposed to an std or some other person to person disease.
just a reminder list that can help... but nothing is 100%:
1. always wear a condom.
2. immediately after sex [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) and wash with hot soapy water...everywhere.
3. if dining at the y (try to keep your tongue on her clit and not in her vagina)....wash mouth out with a 2 parts water 1 part hydrogen peroxide mixture.
4. be sure to have all current vaccinations including hep a and b.
just a reminder list that can help... but nothing is 100%:
1. always wear a condom.
2. immediately after sex [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) and wash with hot soapy water...everywhere.
3. if dining at the y (try to keep your tongue on her clit and not in her vagina)....wash mouth out with a 2 parts water 1 part hydrogen peroxide mixture.
4. be sure to have all current vaccinations including hep a and b.
... indeed not all too bad your little piece of advice, al2! :)
cheers!
hesekiels
Cunning Stunt
07-30-08, 07:30
no one knows an accurate incidence level of any std in ac. they do know that std's are being passed around.
since most girls will have unprotected sex and if you frequently sample the local talent, you will be exposed to an std or some other person to person disease.
just a reminder list that can help... but nothing is 100%:
1. always wear a condom.
2. immediately after sex [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) and wash with hot soapy water...everywhere.
3. if dining at the y (try to keep your tongue on her clit and not in her vagina)....wash mouth out with a 2 parts water 1 part hydrogen peroxide mixture.
4. be sure to have all current vaccinations including hep a and b.
good advice al2. i gave similar advice in a post not so long ago and was criticised for being too clinical, particularly in my use of anti-bacterial bodywash/mouthwash. but i would rather go through my well established hygiene rituals and stay clean than take unnecessary risks and end up paying the consequences.
i'm a great advocate of pissing (if you can) after each sex act (including bj). i don't know how effective this is but flushing the urethra with a sterile solution can't be that bad. only trouble is that it is hell drinking all that beer so that i am able to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) to order ;)
Filipinos get robbed just as much as expats.
I would beg to disagree with that. Foreigners are targeted much, much more IMO. If you are a filipino unlucky enough to look like a kano, you may get the equal opportunity treatment though. Happened to one filipino guy some months ago not far off Fields. This kano-looking filipino guy was walking with his (pregnant) filipina wife when he was held up. He resisted and got stabbed badly, but survived.
The place is basically lawless and one needs to be on one's gurad all the time. .
Yes, and it's not getting any better, rather the opposite. Fields is still pretty OK and the well lit areas are low-risk. It is advisable to be vigilant and as as little drunk as possible though...
A new series of raids was conducted tonight in AC
Here is the information that I have been able to verify from multiple sources:
There were 4 raids conducted by the NBI. The bars that were raided were, Roadhouse, Alaska, KOD (king of diamonds) and Voodoo. The raids started about 11:50pm or so.
There were 3 girls taken from Roadhouse, all of the Alaska girls and staff were taken, the number of girls taken from KOD and Voodoo were unable to be conformable by me, but there is a high likelihood that all or most of them were taken. The Alaska girls were loaded into Jeepneys and taken away.
Most of the Alaska staff was later released, but there are still some being held/detained for reasons unknown to me.
According to an eyewitness on fields ave who saw the NBI guys, the NBI were heavily armed with big guns [ the witness described guns that were similar to armalites (sp?)/ M-16 assault type rifles]
There is a mass of speculation that was/is floating around and even more opinions about who and what was behind these raids, but the simple fact remains that there were 4 confirmed raids that happened. If any more information is able to be confirmed, then certainly I will make an update on this thread.
Now for another interesting point of view with regards to these raids. I do not know if anyone else noticed, but all of the bars that were raided were members of ACTA. Coincidence? (for those of you who do not know what/who ACTA is, they are the Angeles City Tourist Association) and they are comprised of some bars, not all of the bars in AC)
Now for another interesting point of view with regards to these raids. I do not know if anyone else noticed, but all of the bars that were raided were members of ACTA. Coincidence? (for those of you who do not know what/who ACTA is, they are the Angeles City Tourist Association) and they are comprised of some bars, not all of the bars in AC)
Do you know what the actual ratio of membership is? If you look closely a great number of establishments are in fact displaying the Acta membership sign together with their membership number, so it's easy to get the impression it's (still) quite high.
Should these new events be interpreted as yet another push in the direction of making a filipino head of ACTA?
Do you know what the actual ratio of membership is? If you look closely a great number of establishments are in fact displaying the Acta membership sign together with their membership number, so it's easy to get the impression it's (still) quite high.
Should these new events be interpreted as yet another push in the direction of making a filipino head of ACTA?
I do not know what the exact level of membership is. I would venture to say that the numbers are probably somewhere in the ball park of 70-80% but it is the larger bars (Doll house group - Doll house, Atlantis, Crystal palace and Tropix) that are the bigger bars that do not see the need to be members of ACTA. There have not been to many new bars that have opened, but most of the recent ones seemed to have taken a pass. I know that Byrd Cage took a pass on being a member as well. Having had conversations with people (including bar owners) the ones that did join ACTA seemed to get the impression that ACTA would be of great benefit to them and their bar, but in reality have found that to not be the case. IF you have an org that cannot speak with one voice, how good is that org going to be? and without every bar being a member there is not a single voice being spoken.
I do not think its a push to make a Filipino the head of ACTA, i think it is the typical attempt to extort money from the bars. Why do an honest days work when the (imo) majority of locals and authorities see foreigners as walking ATM machines, they view bar owners as walking U.S. Mints.
My problem is that the raids keep happening more and more frequently and there are more and more players/agencies involved in the raids. While during this series of raids did not harm any customers, that has not always been the case and there is nowhere near any guarantee that it will not again occur in the future. That said I feel as though it is not my place to tell anyone to come or not come here, it is up to them to make that decision for themselves, all I can do is report the information that I have confirmed and verified. That way everyone has facts and can make an educated decision of their own.
I am planning to visit AC in Nov, But now after reading all these reports I am concerned, Will there be any activity in NOV and How much these effect customers ? Will it be safe for me to go there ?
//Eric
I am planning to visit AC in Nov, But now after reading all these reports I am concerned, Will there be any activity in NOV and How much these effect customers ? Will it be safe for me to go there ?
//Eric
EE:
you bet your life, nobody knows if there will be another raid in November! Maybe yes, maybe no - maybe earlier, maybe later! However, I could imagine that the probability to be annoyed by such a raid is much lower than to catch an STD while using a rubber (folks, tell me if I am wrong!)! :)
However, since AC will be most likely as safe/unsafe as before I will definitely come again in November/December!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I am planning to visit AC in Nov, But now after reading all these reports I am concerned, Will there be any activity in NOV and How much these effect customers ? Will it be safe for me to go there ?
//Eric
No one knows when raids will happen, but they have been increasing with frequency in the past 2 years and more so in the past 6 months. If anyone tells you they know now that a raid will happen in NOV, then I would ask them to prove it because IMHO they are full of S**T!
How much does it affect customers of the bar? That depends on each individual raid, there have been raids where the customers were given an announcement by the Authorities that if they have a bill to please pay it and leave ASAP, there have been a case where the Customers were detained inside the bar for over 3+ hours and during this "event" were basically allowed only to sit in their seats, no drinks, no food or anything, and in the Alaska bar raid conducted by the local PNP station 4 about 15 months ago, TWO CUSTOMERS were arrested. So it all depends on who is conducting the raids, Local PNP, National PNP out of Manila, NBI out of clark, NBI out of Manila, CIDG out of Manila, and the many other Agencies this country has that conduct raids on bars.
Ace of Spades
08-01-08, 00:30
When will these silly government officials/agencies realize that raids hurt business?
Frequent raids could shut down a bar permanently and put hundreds of people out of work.
Any ideas on how much a bar must pay if they get raided?
When will these silly government officials/agencies realize that raids hurt business?
Frequent raids could shut down a bar permanently and put hundreds of people out of work.
Any ideas on how much a bar must pay if they get raided?
LOL;
thats their intent to hurt business and quench out more money of evrybody..yeah its silly, but Lim did the same thing inthe 1980 in ermita and put evrybody off work, turning Ermita in a deserted place.
I could go on with the Lufthansa story and how the germans Fra (air) port invest 600 million US dollars and the fuc..n gouvernment didnt pay up, when finishing the job they kicked us out and killed the lawyers who were on our site. Now all the european airlines moved out of Nia, except the KLM air france. Fra port write the money off allready, but this monkey business attitude will hurt those gouv.fu..kers many years. Good luck for seeking new investors...
Im going to AC tomrow, but Im sure its the same thing like last weekend, deserted, lots of asians, gud gurls hiding or barfined allready.
Good thing AC is big and one can find allways some hooker to get laid..not my cup of tea any more, Im chosy and might look for another hunting place once I get my car :D
Blink
Frequent raids could shut down a bar permanently and put hundreds of people out of work.
And?
IMHO most filipinos would rather take 50 pesos TODAY than 500 TOMORROW, given a choice.
This kind of thinking can also be used to your advantage in the Phils, so it's not all bad :D
When will these silly government officials/agencies realize that raids hurt business?
Frequent raids could shut down a bar permanently and put hundreds of people out of work.
Any ideas on how much a bar must pay if they get raided?
There lays the problem, these governmental officials and agencies do not care that they are screwing the golden goose, what they "care" about is supplementing their meager government incomes with attempts of extortion (aka Raids). If you honestly believe that these agencies are looking out for the girls, then you are vastly mistaken. To be fair, sure some of the raids that have occurred have been in an attempt to shut down or minimize the "prostitution" that occurs, but the main motivation behind this IMO is GREED AND MONEY, but some of it is due to pressure the Philippines receives from the other SUPERPOWER countries of the world and the religious leaders of the world, but that does not happen very often.
Let me give you an example of how caring these governmental officials and agencies, during the raid that occurred at Dollhouse bar, which was their photo shoot night (a special event in which the girls get body painted) the "authorities" took the girls who were painted and loaded them into vans and were taken to Manila, where later they were released after verifying that all were over the age of 18, but these "CARING" authorities, put them out on the street without any additional clothing (keeping in mind that most were wearing only paint and t-backs/thongs) and they were NOT transported back to AC by said "authorities" (the dollhouse bar did arrange transportation for the girls to get back, but that is not my point).
Another example would be there is NO after care what so ever in the vast majority of the cases where there was a serious breach or break of the laws, so if they are so "caring" why is there no follow up or after care, such as re-education, job training and the like? Simply because they cannot afford to have such programs.
You are very correct in your statement that "Frequent raids could shut down a bar permanently and put hundreds of people out of work", but the thing that you are not remembering is that the people behind these do not care, they think of it in a manner similar to this - If I cannot benefit Financially from the bars being there, then what do i care if they close down.
As sad as it is, that is the way many in power and in positions that are not dependent on the bars in a financial way think about them.
Fastpiston
08-01-08, 08:02
When will these silly government officials/agencies realize that raids hurt business?
Frequent raids could shut down a bar permanently and put hundreds of people out of work.
Any ideas on how much a bar must pay if they get raided?
I am sure there are some on this board that remember the Ermita / Mabini bars in Manila. They were closed down because the then mayor decided that it would make good political capital. The result was virtually all secondary businesses (restaurants and hotels) in the area also had to close down and the area became a filthy, dangerous, squalid, squatter slum for 15-20 years. Squatters actually moved into some of the bars. Only recently has it begun to recover, but is still generally squalid. Ironically the whole exercise was stupid as the bars moved into the adjacent major precinct (Pasay).
On a bigger scale, they kicked out the US forces from Subic and touted the act as a big leap forward for the Philippines. Subic, by all definitions, is a failure. Really huge amounts of foreign revenue and employment at the base was lost. Even the highly touted FedEx operation in the area did not work out, they recently moved out to China.
High flight costs to Philippines, overvalued Philippine Peso and high Philippine inflation will slow the businesses in AC. Bar hassling and corruption could kill it off.
To be fair, sure some of the raids that have occurred have been in an attempt to shut down or minimize the "prostitution" that occurs, but the main motivation behind this IMO is GREED AND MONEY, but some of it is due to pressure the Philippines receives from the other SUPERPOWER countries of the world and the religious leaders of the world, but that does not happen very often.
Yes..we remember the so called "letter from a concerned international citizen's group" :D (or whatever the exact wording was) that singled out AC as the "source of HIV/AIDS in the Philippines" (which is not really true, OFWs probably contribute more to that).
It's not easy to see a clear pattern here though..I mean the raids have clearly increased under the new mayor, still the very same guy didn't hesitate to attend the opening of a Santos Street pub/bar (Shanos) in person.
It's easy to get the impression that the current administration is betting that other businesses than bars will become a more important part of the mix and that AC don't want to become a "second Pattaya". There is a lot of business activity going on that's totally unrelated to the bars. Inside the base there are several callcenters, resorts (Fontana, lots of Chinese visitors), manufacturing companies (L&T, Nanox etc). The development of the SM Mall and the assigning of CRK as the new main Manila International airport to be(which will not happen anytime soon though) are other examples.
It is also interesting to monitor the influx of Korean investors in AC and how the the filipino/korean infatuation/love affair will develop. We already know that the Koreans have been successful in getting their very own Korean police station, something the whiteys only can dream of.
But those who predict the instant ruin of AC as we know it will probably be wrong. I have a friend coming into town in November. I have not told him to cancel his ticket.
Angeles city's best kept secret is that Dennis Rodman's father lives in town and owns a small restaurant with great food at cheap prices. He has lots of stories to tell -- he has been living in AC for like 40 years. Highly recommended!
His restaurant is opposite the Blue Fields Hotel.
Well my first impression when i met him a few years ago at Jackie & Bulls restaurant was the guy was a big jerk!! The first thing out his mouth was he was Rodmans father,then he tried to pressure me into buying some kind of scrap book with Dennis in it. NO THANKS!! Then he went on to brag he had about 20 or 25 kids running around A.C. area,and im sure he was not supporting all of them! As we were seating in Jackies at least 2 kids walking down fields street that a thought were pure black kids from U.S. But Jackie told me that they were some of Rodmans fathers kids! Thats my HUMBLE OPINION.
.....NO THANKS!! Then he went on to brag he had about 20 or 25 kids running around A.C. area,and im sure he was not supporting all of them! As we were seating in Jackies at least 2 kids walking down fields street that a thought were pure black kids from U.S. But Jackie told me that they were some of Rodmans fathers kids! Thats my HUMBLE OPINION.
I never understood what the fuck is their to be proud about creating bastard kids?
It will blow your mind how much info gets pushed around the bamboo hotline.B.B.
B.B. is 100% on point with that statement. I have over 100 Filipino employees working for me and the information that they tell me before it is released is amazing. I always tease them that there is three ways to get information in the Philippines...telephone, television or tell a Filipino.
Robb
Ace of Spades
08-03-08, 03:36
I have posted my experiences before about my experiences going into businesses and the spooky nature of the locals. I have more to add:
Recently, I went into one of the smaller malls in town --- again, I could not get any service. The employees at several businesses stared at me with a hard look without saying a word, STRANGE! I got spooked and I left. I have this problem almost every day, usually out of the entertainment district (this area has its own issues). Most businesses along Fields Ave (owned by expats and Filipinos) do everything they can to make you feel comfortable and overall provide a good service. Outside of this area, my impression so far is that businesses that serve Filipino clients have a completely different philosophy about making money.
I have posted my experiences before about my experiences going into businesses and the spooky nature of the locals. I have more to add:
Recently, I went into one of the smaller malls in town --- again, I could not get any service. The employees at several businesses stared at me with a hard look without saying a word, STRANGE! I got spooked and I left. I have this problem almost every day, usually out of the entertainment district (this area has its own issues). Most businesses along Fields Ave (owned by expats and Filipinos) do everything they can to make you feel comfortable and overall provide a good service. Outside of this area, my impression so far is that businesses that serve Filipino clients have a completely different philosophy about making money.
Damn Ace what are you wearing? Or doing? I have found them to act kind of funny when dealing with Black people but not like what you are describing. Man I would love to hang out with you just to see what the hell is going on. I will be home in the middle of October have to spend a week in Thailand at the damn dentist.
Coming to AC last week of August (alone).
Are there some French speaking people there on this time want to enjoy together?
Greetings fellow mongers.
I will be in AC in a few days, and I am hoping someone can direct me to a pharmacy which sells apcalis, the generic version of Cialis.
I need quite substantial quantities for medical reasons in Oz, where Cialis is beyond my means.
Any ideas?
Thanks in anticipation.
G
Ace of Spades
08-03-08, 13:39
Mason Drugs
Mercury Drugs
Both have locations everywhere. Generally, you won't need a prescription from a doctor. Make sure you have the complete drug name, dosage and other details.
You might find medicines a tad bit expensive here ---pharmacies charge here per pill and also most medicines are imported from somewhere else, so expect to pay.
If you need suggestions on cheap meds, PM, I can give you details on nearby countries where you can find what you want at a much lower price (the charge is not per pill).
Hello,
Does anyone have a name and phone number for a reliable driver who can get me from Manila domestic terminal to AC for a reasonable price in reasonable comfort. My regular contact seems to have disappeared.
Happy mongering
Gangles
Not sure how much you were paying but you can get a car from Margarita Station or Pacific Breeze for 2500p. Very reliable in my experience.
Hello,
Does anyone have a name and phone number for a reliable driver who can get me from Manila domestic terminal to AC for a reasonable price in reasonable comfort. My regular contact seems to have disappeared.
Happy mongering
Gangles
Hi,
I would rather get a driver from a reliable hotel in Ac, which is either Swiss chalet , Central park, orchid inn, Pacific breeze.
I tried them all, and they save and relaible drivers. I would rather take them then any taxi driver. Price is 2500 up to 3000p.
Just do the google and send them email with your contact details and arrival dates.
Welcome to the Phils :D
Blink
AsianLover2
08-04-08, 17:09
Hello,
Does anyone have a name and phone number for a reliable driver who can get me from Manila domestic terminal to AC for a reasonable price in reasonable comfort. My regular contact seems to have disappeared.
Happy mongering
GanglesI always have the Wild Orchid Resort schedule my taxi pick up. Rey Segunda runs the taxi service. 927 870 2382 - 2500P MNL to AC.
Hello,
Does anyone have a name and phone number for a reliable driver who can get me from Manila domestic terminal to AC for a reasonable price in reasonable comfort. My regular contact seems to have disappeared.
Happy mongering
GanglesHere's a method that is simple, and almost as quick as a taxi but MUCH less expensive
1) Take metered taxi from airport to 5 Star Bus Station in Pasay (around 100 pesos)
2) Take bus to Dau (the Dagupan bus - around 145 pesos)
3) Once in Dau, take trike to your hotel (usually around 70 pesos)
It'll take you about 1 1/2 - 2 hours - depending on how fast the bus leaves - and costs about 300 pesos. Why waste the money on a private taxi. You're saving more than the cost of a barfine!
EA
Here's a method that is simple, and almost as quick as a taxi but MUCH less expensive
EA:
sure, that works perfectly! However, if you arrive at NAIA late at night and with heavy luggage I would rather discourage anybody to opt for this variant. In this case a car with driver for about 2,500 pesos is certainly the more adequate solution. IMHO of course!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Here's a method that is simple, and almost as quick as a taxi but MUCH less expensive
1) Take metered taxi from airport to 5 Star Bus Station in Pasay (around 100 pesos)
2) Take bus to Dau (the Dagupan bus - around 145 pesos)
3) Once in Dau, take trike to your hotel (usually around 70 pesos)
Cheap OK, but not cheapest. Here is the ultimate Cheap Charlie:
1) Take a bus from Mia to Pasay (around 12 pesos)
2) Take a bus to Dau (non-aircon: about 100+, splurge: aircon P 130+)
3) Once in Dau grab your bags and walk a few yards to McArthur Hwy, take a jeepney from there, 8 pesos.
When you walk the last part from jeepney drop-off to your selected hotel (probably Wobbly House or similar property), try to do some multitasking bags in hand and pick a FL to bring with you to checkin. Voila, you have saved your first barfine too :D
Fast Eddie 48
08-05-08, 22:29
Cheap OK, but not cheapest. Here is the ultimate Cheap Charlie:
1) Take a public bus from Mia to Pasay (around 12 pesos)
2) Take bus to Dau (non-aircon: about 100+, splurge: aircon P 133)
3) Once in Dau grab your bags and walk a few yards to McArthur Hwy, take a jeepney from there, 8 pesos. (Nice message to the Trike Mafia)
When you walk the last part from jeepney drop-off to your selected hotel (probably Wobbly House or similar property), try to do some multitasking bags in hand and pick a FL to bring with you to checkin. Voila, you have saved your first barfine too :DPute nut,
The PI rabbit bus station in metro Manila near St Cruz air con bus every 40 min to Angeles ,it was around 100 peso few yr ago should be more now take about 1hr 30 min depend on traffic ,it go to Dau first and then angeles bus stations but the driver can drop you off at field and Macarthur hwy .
Fast Eddie 48
hahahaha....
actually there is another option, stay at home..if you allready concerned about the costs for transportation to AC and back, better stay at home , cause with all the things and more money demands in terms of LD, barfine and more money to spend on the better looking gurls, 2500p for transportation shouldnt be a big deal for guys with a 2 week holiday, once or twice a year..
Flame me if I might be wrong :D
Blink
I arrived in Angeles last night. I am staying at the Ramada 1000p after staying at the Bangkok hotel for 1450p. This is my first time in Angeles and would enjoy chatting with another monger if anyone is around. PM me for my phone number. I will be here for about two weeks before returning to the US.
Jim
I appreciate all points of view. I am 57 years old and still enjoy doing things the hard way. I wish I had known about the bus yesterday. I ended up taking a car from Manila to Angeles for 3000p. Sometimes you do things for the experience.... I know my buddies think I am a little off. Many think we are crazy for hiking 1400 ft peaks in Colorado or jumping out of airplanes.
I will take the bus back in two weeks. Does anyone know if I can purchase a calling card for my mobile to call the states cheaply? I was able to call from Thailand for like 2 cents per minute.
Jim
Pute nut,
The PI rabbit bus station in metro Manila near St Cruz air con bus every 40 min to Angeles ,it was around 100 peso few yr ago should be more now take about 1hr 30 min depend on traffic ,it go to Dau first and then angeles bus stations but the driver can drop you off at field and Macarthur hwy .
Fast Eddie 48
Bill Buxton
08-06-08, 08:02
hahahaha,
actually there is another option, stay at home..if you allready concerned about the costs for transportation to AC and back, better stay at home , cause with all the things and more money demands in terms of LD, barfine and more money to spend on the better looking gurls, 2500p for transportation shouldnt be a big deal for guys with a 2 week holiday, once or twice a year..
Flame me if I might be wrong :D
BlinkLike I have said over and over most talk about the vast and endless wealth they have and then worry about the cost of a bus, car, trike, bike, ride anywhere they go. IT IS ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO CHECK PRICES, IT KEEP'S THE LOCALS IN LINE, BUT PLEASE REMEMBER THEY ARE PAYING RECORD HIGH FUEL PRICES HERE ALSO.
I am sure the 3-4-k peso ride from manila to ac is much cheeper than what you pay at home from the airport to your house. Its a vacation you gotta spend some to have a good time!
Nice to see someone else has a problem with the carepots here.
B. B.
hahahaha....
actually there is another option, stay at home..if you allready concerned about the costs for transportation to AC and back, better stay at home , cause with all the things and more money demands in terms of LD, barfine and more money to spend on the better looking gurls, 2500p for transportation shouldnt be a big deal for guys with a 2 week holiday, once or twice a year..
Flame me if I might be wrong :D
Blink
If you don't want to spend the big bucks and don't want a lot of transfers then take the Swagman Fly by Bus... which has recently had the fare increased to 600 pesos. A metered taxi to Swagman should cost about 200 pesos, depending on traffic. I think Swagman will pick you up for 250 pesos if you don't intend to stay at their hotel, and they pick you up free if you do stay there at least one night.
I stayed at the Corona and talked to a guy out front who had a car -- not a taxi. He seemed like a nice guy and his card is from the hotel.
Rolly Canoneo 092 94184341
Also, in the past few weeks I rode both Swagman and Southern Cross buses. The Swagman bus wasn't as bad as last time (2006 - chunks out of tire, stalled in the middle of a MNL intersection) but was still far inferior to the S. Cross bus. The S. Cross crew were friendlier than the Swag people, especially the "hostess" (Josie) who had hair down to her waist and had me wishing for some quality time on the back seat.
Advantage for Swag is they do the run three times a day.
X
note: heavy rain causes mnl traffic gridlock because of flooded streets and who knows what other reasons. S. Cross bus arrived late, eventually departed Mnl at 4:30 (rather than scheduled 3:30) and then 90 min stuck in Mnl traffic before getting on the highway.
Hello,
Does anyone have a name and phone number for a reliable driver who can get me from Manila domestic terminal to AC for a reasonable price in reasonable comfort. My regular contact seems to have disappeared.
Happy mongering
Gangles
Bold Focker
08-06-08, 10:20
Pute nut,
The PI rabbit bus station in metro Manila near St Cruz air con bus every 40 min to Angeles ,it was around 100 peso few yr ago should be more now take about 1hr 30 min depend on traffic ,it go to Dau first and then angeles bus stations but the driver can drop you off at field and Macarthur hwy .
Fast Eddie 48Is this the Rabbit bus station at San Jose where the metor station is as well?
I remember that infront of Mandarin Hotel Makati you can get cars with drivers on a 3 hours quotation....I needed their services long time ago and even I pass Mandarin evry one or two weeks Im not update with the current fees, but its for those who wana have some business apointments/meetings and dont want to show off with a cab infront of their clients, neither like to go to some deserted areas in Manila where its quite diff to get a cab..also who dont like water as much as the fish do, cause we have rainy seasons here...:D
This aint an option to get to AC, at least not for small money, but its an option for those who fed up with cabs, dont like to rent a car and drive for themself , dont need a car for the whole day, just hourly wise..
LG, Life is good..
Blink
hahahaha....
actually there is another option, stay at home..if you allready concerned about the costs for transportation to AC and back, better stay at home , cause with all the things and more money demands in terms of LD, barfine and more money to spend on the better looking gurls, 2500p for transportation shouldnt be a big deal for guys with a 2 week holiday, once or twice a year..
Flame me if I might be wrong :D
Blink
Blink you get no flames here. I said what you said on another forum a while back. Guys complaining they are getting priced out of the market in PI. Give me a fucking break. The place is dirt cheap. You guys need to check out Dubai where a "wham bam no thank you mam" will cost you about $100. Why I said "no thank you mam?" Because in Dubai most of time once they fuck you they are out the fucking door not all cuddy like in PI. In PI you get your money worth trust me :)
Cheesemark75
08-06-08, 17:37
You guys need to check out Dubai where a "wham bam no thank you mam" will cost you about $100. Why I said "no thank you mam?"Bar fine + girl's fee for LT session should be close to that, isn't it? One time, a few years ago, in Makati, I paid PHP1500 for a barfine and PHP2000 for the girl. Did I get ripped off? They told me that BF is just to get the girl out of the bar, and I still have to pay her for her services.
The MO in my hometown is different. Barfines are illegal, so you simply ask the girl out when she's off. So you just pay her her money, and her asking price is around 2000-3000 PHP.
FireWalker
08-06-08, 18:26
I arrived in Angeles last night. I am staying at the Ramada 1000p after staying at the Bangkok hotel for 1450p. This is my first time in Angeles and would enjoy chatting with another monger if anyone is around. PM me for my phone number. I will be here for about two weeks before returning to the US.
Jim
Do a search on Harry the Horse. He owns a bar there and is really helpful to the guys coming through. If I were there I would take you around, but I won't be there till the 25th.
If you run into any problems, let me know.
FireWalker
08-06-08, 18:35
Greetings fellow mongers.
I will be in AC in a few days, and I am hoping someone can direct me to a pharmacy which sells apcalis, the generic version of Cialis.
I need quite substantial quantities for medical reasons in Oz, where Cialis is beyond my means.
Any ideas?
Thanks in anticipation.
G
There is no generic legally on the market. You can buy "generics" on the streets, but most people overpay big time.
FireWalker
08-06-08, 18:39
Coming to AC last week of August (alone).
Are there some French speaking people there on this time want to enjoy together?
I don't speak much French, but let me know and lets meet for a beer.
Dave Can Party
08-06-08, 23:57
Hi Guys,
I am planning a trip to Angeles City for the first time.
I think I got most of the info about How to get there and about the activity in the town.
But I would like to know if most girls offer Deep French kissing and oral without condom.
Dave
I don't speak much French, but let me know and lets meet for a beer.LOL firewalker,
guess you speak not much arabic, hebrew, chinese, german etc etc etc either...but evrything is fine and conversation will be smooth and easy over a cold san miguel pilsener or light, or some more
Blink
PS. For the french thing try red whine..works for me.
Fast Eddie 48
08-07-08, 06:41
Is this the Rabbit bus station at San Jose where the metor station is as well?To Bold,
Yes you can take the train there near Chinatown.
I forgot the name of the station.
Fast eddie 48
I arrived in Angeles last night. I am staying at the Ramada 1000p after staying at the Bangkok hotel for 1450p. This is my first time in Angeles and would enjoy chatting with another monger if anyone is around. PM me for my phone number. I will be here for about two weeks before returning to the US.
Jim
Hi Gymwhite
Will be in AC 8 - 12th Aug. Will PM you. Anyone else want to catch up PM me too.
Cunning Stunt
08-07-08, 10:53
PS. for the french thing try red whine..works for me ;-)
I know that red whine - its what a Pinay does when you hammer her cervix too vigourously with your 8" bratwurst ...hahaha :D
Same as how do you make a hormone - refuse to pay her taxi money:D :D
Dave Can Party
08-07-08, 14:25
Hi Guys,
I am planning a trip to Angeles City for the first time.
It´s being good to read information how you get there about food ect.
I would like to ask what type of service do girls normaly offer? I guess this could be a individual thing. But is DFK & BBBJ common?
DCP
Escort Fan
08-07-08, 16:08
For you guys who've been in AC in summer time?
How bad is the rain season? Does it rain all day long, or does it like rain very hard for a short period (like the end of the afternoon and the night? ).
I'm wondering cause I was here in June around June 15-20, it didn't rain much during day time, actually it was even quite sunny. It was bearable!
FireWalker
08-07-08, 18:15
LOL firewalker,
guess you speak not much arabic, hebrew, chinese, german etc etc etc either...but evrything is fine and conversation will be smooth and easy over a cold san miguel pilsener or light, or some more
Blink
PS. For the french thing try red whine..works for me.
what do you mean? My German ist gudt. For instance when I arrive in Frankfurt I walk up to the nearest German and say "Herr Schmutzmaul, wo ist der Hoffbrauhause?" That's good German, right?
Puerto La Cruz
08-08-08, 02:43
Hi Guys,
I am planning a trip to Angeles City for the first time.
It´s being good to read information how you get there about food ect.
I would like to ask what type of service do girls normaly offer? I guess this could be a individual thing. But is DFK & BBBJ common?
DCP
Just ask them. They may or may not tell you the truth. Jump into it and you will learn. There are no guarentees. Live and learn.
I would say in my experience most girls DFK and give BBBJ's.
Hi Guys,
I am planning a trip to Angeles City for the first time.
It´s being good to read information how you get there about food ect.
I would like to ask what type of service do girls normaly offer? I guess this could be a individual thing. But is DFK & BBBJ common?
DCP
Hi,
read ur post and I would say I dont like DFK after I blow my load into my GF mouth...:D..ok seriously..I would say it really depend on the gurl, I know in Thailand you will get BJ or BBBJ allways, thats a standard, same as in a pinoy massage you get BJ or BBBJ..DFK aint much a problem, Pinays will give you a good time and act like ur long time GF even you just get to know them since a few hours ;-)
I guess in blow row/santos street you cn get both..on the other hand..well..not sure if its that clean..better get condoms before you know the gurl ;-)
Blink
Hi Guys,
I am planning a trip to Angeles City for the first time.
It´s being good to read information how you get there about food ect.
I would like to ask what type of service do girls normaly offer? I guess this could be a individual thing. But is DFK & BBBJ common?
DCP
DFK and BBBJ are both very common experiences to be had in AC. There of course are the exceptions.
For you guys who've been in AC in summer time?
How bad is the rain season? Does it rain all day long, or does it like rain very hard for a short period (like the end of the afternoon and the night? ).
I'm wondering cause I was here in June around June 15-20, it didn't rain much during day time, actually it was even quite sunny. It was bearable!
For the most part, during the rainy season, it will rain a minimum of once a day, the amount of time it will rain for differs with each day/storm. Just plan to always carry an umbrella around during the rainy season while out.
For the last 8 days straight it has been raining here and raining for most all of those days.
Has anyone scored a cherry girl from AC... with no extra payment?
I decided to try one last night, and I had her so crazy and squirmy she let me try.. she didn't say I could, but I was there and pushing for a few minutes until she was lightly screaming saying it hurt too much. We were doing some serious playing for about 90 minutes. I had to do something to relieve my stress so I had her lay on her side and I just humped her from behind (nice ass) between her legs and against her crotch until I got some sexual relief.
She was quite sweet to me in the morning and I said I'll come back in a few days. She also added me to her Yahoo messenger. So, I hope I am going to get me a cherry... a first for me.
Dave Can Party
08-08-08, 17:08
Guys,
I thank most of you for some helpful information, was not sure if this was standard or a negotating thing.
Puerto La Cruz I understand your point but I thought this forum was about exchanging information not to tell somebody to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off and find out for yourself---Dave
FireWalker
08-08-08, 19:38
DFK and BBBJ are both very common experiences to be had in AC. There of course are the exceptions.
I would always preface that in your interview before barfining. Many girls aren't that experienced with it.
Has anyone scored a cherry girl from AC... with no extra payment?
Gagoo:
yes once, but it was really sh*t! No fun at all and IMHO not recommendable! A 30 years old waitress from La Pasha performes certainly much better, you bet your life! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
FireWalker
08-09-08, 16:49
B.B. is 100% on point with that statement. I have over 100 Filipino employees working for me and the information that they tell me before it is released is amazing. I always tease them that there is three ways to get information in the Philippines...telephone, television or tell a Filipino.
Robb
A buddy of mine borrowed my girlfriends scooter once for a quick trip to Fields. Within five minutes, she gets a call asking why her scooter is parked near Alaska's. That is fast.
I never negotiate. It ruins the mood and besides, I like surprises.
As for the guy you mention, he's clearly not here to exchange information. Often the ones who rudely tell you to rtff are the ones who do only that...they rarely post anything of substance.
X
Guys,
I thank most of you for some helpful information, was not sure if this was standard or a negotating thing.
Puerto La Cruz I understand your point but I thought this forum was about exchanging information not to tell somebody to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off and find out for yourself---Dave
Dave Can Party
08-09-08, 20:01
I never negotiate. It ruins the mood and besides, I like surprises.
As for the guy you mention, he's clearly not here to exchange information. Often the ones who rudely tell you to rtff are the ones who do only that...they rarely post anything of substance.
XX Man,
I must say I feel better have the services guarenteed or otherwise you end up with Dissapointed sex and loss of money and time, but on the other hand good surprises are always good;)
Regarding the forum I did have been following this forum since February and read also some pages since around Christmas and found nothing on this topic.
What I have read is about the food and how is best to get to AC, the activity apart from mongering and so on, this is why I want to come to AC because I heard this was a good place for mongering, but was not 100% what service was in general on offer.
I for one go to a place beacause of the girls not because of the food, I had read the food was better in Thailand---Dave
Puerto La Cruz
08-10-08, 00:07
Don't be a soft shelled crab. Nobody said those words other than you. My advice was, go to Manila, Cebu or anywhere else where the talent is available and you will live and learn. When you get there, don't jump into it. Blow off the girls for the first day. You will develop a sense for the game quickly. Last but not least, don't fall in love.
Puerto La Cruz
08-10-08, 00:18
Blame Jackson. He invented RTFF
And ................. FU
Hahahahahahaha.
Relatively new hotel (1.5 years) is located on Narciso street two blocks south of Fields avenue and is an easy walk to the bars, both on Fields and in the Perimeter area. This Chinese owned property is clean, quiet and a good value.
Negatives : The rooms are somewhat small and they cater to Koreans who can
be loud and obnoxious.
Positives : Wi Fi access throughout the entire hotel. All rooms have safes.
Never visited during the rainy season but I have heard that this street floods badly during storms. www.tigerhotel.co.nr
If you don't like Tiger, you can check out Medgar, which is a couple of doors down. Will do a review soon! They are having a promo rate; 25% off. www.medgarinac.com
Might be able to do a trip next April to Philippines and AC.
Is AC still allive during Easter or do all the girls go home?
Is the Pacific Breeze a good hotel to stay or is Angeles Beach Club or the Wild Orchid Resort I just want something with a Jacuzzi so I can have some FUN. And close to action.Just got out of one nasty divorce.
Thanks
I was just in Ac for 11 days. In most part I had a great time. I have been to ac 4 other times before this trip but never during rainy season. I will never visit again during rainy season. The only thing's good about rainy season is its cooler and less mongers. In the most part any bar I went into was slow unless there was a special event going on. I didn't hit as many bars as I usually do, here is the list of bars I visited. Stargate, Lost in Asia, Roadies, Wee Georges, Nifty's, Garfield's, Cherry's Stampede, Insomnia, Alaska, Bunny Ranch, Roadhouse, Stingers, Body Shop, Crystal Palace, VooDoo, King of Diamond and Blue Nile. I stayed at Lewis Grand Hotel and ate a few meals there. I also ate at Bunny Ranch, Cottage Kitchen, SM Clarke, Shano's, Margarita Station, Roadies and Stargate. I used Beeline Travel for my rides to and from airport and for a trip to Rizal with my gf. I have to say that the beggars in ac were worst this trip than ever before. I am planning my next trip already, I am hoping that in the middle of November will be trip #6. :)
Dave Can Party
08-11-08, 00:18
I was just in Ac for 11 days. In most part I had a great time. I have been to ac 4 other times before this trip but never during rainy season. I will never visit again during rainy season. The only thing's good about rainy season is its cooler and less mongers. In the most part any bar I went into was slow unless there was a special event going on. I didn't hit as many bars as I usually do, here is the list of bars I visited. Stargate, Lost in Asia, Roadies, Wee Georges, Nifty's, Garfield's, Cherry's Stampede, Insomnia, Alaska, Bunny Ranch, Roadhouse, Stingers, Body Shop, Crystal Palace, VooDoo, King of Diamond and Blue Nile. I stayed at Lewis Grand Hotel and ate a few meals there. I also ate at Bunny Ranch, Cottage Kitchen, SM Clarke, Shano's, Margarita Station, Roadies and Stargate. I used Beeline Travel for my rides to and from airport and for a trip to Rizal with my gf. I have to say that the beggars in ac were worst this trip than ever before. I am planning my next trip already, I am hoping that in the middle of November will be trip #6. :)How about writing about your experience with the ladies?
Gagoo:
yes once, but it was really sh*t! No fun at all and IMHO not recommendable! A 30 years old waitress from La Pasha performes certainly much better, you bet your life! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I know what you mean by it will not be as fun, because the young cuties with no experience only let you do them, they don't know how to do you. So I only get the young ones if they are really good looking.
I never had virgin except for myself, so if I get one, it will be something I can give a check mark to and say i did it.
I was just in Ac for 11 days. In most part I had a great time. I have been to ac 4 other times before this trip but never during rainy season. I will never visit again during rainy season. The only thing's good about rainy season is its cooler and less mongers. In the most part any bar I went into was slow unless there was a special event going on.
Fordtech,
You mention the good about visiting AC during rainy season, what was so bad that you would never visit again during rainy season?
You wrote that bars were "slow". I guess this means very few mongers, do you also mean very few girls compared to non-rainy season?
Was the rain so constant and hard that there was little fun to be had outside your hotel room?
I ask all this because I am considering a second trip to AC soon during rainy season. First trip was shoulder season (some rain but not perpetual). Thanks.
If you are looking for location, then Pacific Breeze or Wild Orchid is right in the middle of the action. ABC actually has nicer rooms but is a little further away. Still within walking distance to all the bars or a short trike ride. I prefer PB just because of the convenience. Don't worry, wherever you stay in AC, you will have FUN!!
Is the Pacific Breeze a good hotel to stay or is Angeles Beach Club or the Wild Orchid Resort I just want something with a Jacuzzi so I can have some FUN. And close to action.Just got out of one nasty divorce.
Thanks
I have to say that the beggars in ac were worst this trip than ever before.
The AC beggars are getting totally out of control. It's a serious temptation to give them a good whack when they grab hold, but be careful. A lot of them have adult backup.
I scored a virgin in AC some time ago.
I asked the mamasan for a cherry girl because I was not interested in sex that night, because I was leaving early the next day.
The girl was certainly a virgin.
However there was a communication mix up, and she thought that I had bought her cherry. So while I was dopey and wanting to sleep, all she wanted to do was root.
I made the mistake in my daze and haze of succumbing, and slipped in the pork sausage, and it was on.
She was about as enthusistic as you could get, she was insatiable. We banged ourselves stupid
I was gone early, and heard later that she went to the bar later in the day to claim her cherry money, only to find that there was none.
Eventually things calmed dow, and the mamasan took her to see a local doctor, who declared that her hymen was intact, and he was still a virgin.
Try to figure that one out.
G
Darth Sushi
08-11-08, 10:15
The AC beggars are getting totally out of control. It's a serious temptation to give them a good whack when they grab hold, but be careful. A lot of them have adult backup.
The part I hate the most is they always want to touch your arm with their filthy hands. I always carry hand wipes just to decontaminate my arm when I'm in AC. Once this beggar carrying a baby started running trying to catch up to me. I immediately started running so she could not catch up...boy, did I get the evil-eye from her....
If you are looking for location, then Pacific Breeze or Wild Orchid is right in the middle of the action. ABC actually has nicer rooms but is a little further away. Still within walking distance to all the bars or a short trike ride. I prefer PB just because of the convenience. Don't worry, wherever you stay in AC, you will have FUN!!
I'm now at Lewis Grand and the rates are about the same as ABC. All the girls I have taken back to my room are in agreement that Lewis is currently #1 after visiting (as most have yet to set foot inside because its new). I have not stayed at the other 2 but they have ranked them as
1. Lewis Grand
2. Angeles Beach Club
3. Wild Orchid
Internet connection in room (wifi in some areas)
Jacuzzi in some rooms
Met up with GymWhite and also the owner of Lewis. When GymWhite saw how upmarket it looked he asked Lewis if it was girl friendly. Of course, what other reason would you come to AC for!
haven't stayed at lewis grand but the pics look really nice. it probably is the nicest hotel in ac right now but it is too far away from the action for me, especially during rainy season. if he wants to hang out on fields, then he will have to take a trike which can be a hassle sometimes.
i'm now at lewis grand and the rates are about the same as abc. all the girls i have taken back to my room are in agreement that lewis is currently #1 after visiting (as most have yet to set foot inside because its new). i have not stayed at the other 2 but they have ranked them as
1. lewis grand
2. angeles beach club
3. wild orchid
internet connection in room (wifi in some areas)
jacuzzi in some rooms
met up with gymwhite and also the owner of lewis. when gymwhite saw how upmarket it looked he asked lewis if it was girl friendly. of course, what other reason would you come to ac for!
Is AC still allive during Easter or do all the girls go home?
BS:
some go home, but certainly not all! Be assured that there are still more than enough girls around!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Hi, just back from the weekend , my weekend :D, in angeles city..Had a sunday after noon barhop..went to Wee George, highly recomandlble...local drinks, beer at 45 p, ladydrinks 100p, nice bar and new.nice owner also, we know him from the blue nile bar as THE Papasan :D...
we had a fantastic weather in angeles city during the day..
I had a cherryboy with me , aussie guy, he went to Bangkok and Pattaya before and even he liked both very much, he says its cheaper in angeles city and they have more younger gurls there...I also agree, they quite young..bars all empty, gud time to be around..
Blink
Key Master
08-12-08, 04:43
Fordtech,
You mention the good about visiting AC during rainy season, what was so bad that you would never visit again during rainy season?
You wrote that bars were "slow". I guess this means very few mongers, do you also mean very few girls compared to non-rainy season?
I ask all this because I am considering a second trip to AC soon during rainy season. First trip was shoulder season (some rain but not perpetual). Thanks.
Maple, I am going to take a shot on answering even though it wasn't my post. There will be less mongers during rainy season. I've been to AC a number of times, but mostly from Nov to March. Let me state, I am pretty picky on women, and I struggle at times finding what I like in AC. AC can vary a lot day to day, week to week and such. Last year I went during reason, and I didn't care for it much myself either. What I experienced was that there were less prettier women around to my tough scale, and for the select few that I was interested in there were issues for whatever reason. One would be that they were already sitting with customers. The other problem I had was that I'd have someone I am interested in sit with me and buy them drinks. Then I would ask about barfining, and I find out that she's already been barfined. I had this happen a few times and I got to the bar not too late after opening maybe an hour. I get the feeling that during rainy season with a good percentage of the better women going home, the competition for whatever is there gets tougher than normal. Regular customers call these women and arrange that they will come in later and barfine the women ahead of time and such. If you aren't particular and found a good percentage of the women barfineable when you have been there, then I wouldn't worry about when you go.
I agree with Fordtech and Key Master about AC during the rainy season. There are less mongers but there seems to be less girls also. Like Key Master said, it varies from day to day or week to week. It also varies hour to hour because if you get there a little too late on say a Monday or Tuesday, most of the hot girls are barfined already. Unfortunately for us, we always start at 11pm and after. If I do go during rainy season again, I will try going during the weekend and/or start my hunt around 8pm.
I took my first trip last rainy season and I still had a great time. Inspite of the rain I spent many days poolside and would start the barhopping just before sunset. On days I wasn't poolside I started barhopping early in the afternoon.
Funny thing though, on my second trip in January the rain was much more of a bummer. I didn't bring a rain gauge with me but the rain ruined more afternoons in January than it did in September and the pool water at the Pacific Breeze felt colder than before.
As for the girls there were plenty to be found on both trips but I felt more picky and choosy and on a couple occassions could not find a barfine until almost sunrise.
Mugroso
I figured it out!
Mate, your cock is very short and thin right!
White Whale
08-12-08, 18:04
Every bar has a sign that no minors allowed. It was a slight surprise to me that a bar girl I spent some time had a friend working in Champagne who is 16 years old. Be aware, barfining a girl from bar does not guarantee you are not mixing with a minor.
FireWalker
08-12-08, 21:50
I agree with Fordtech and Key Master about AC during the rainy season. There are less mongers but there seems to be less girls also. Like Key Master said, it varies from day to day or week to week. It also varies hour to hour because if you get there a little too late on say a Monday or Tuesday, most of the hot girls are barfined already. Unfortunately for us, we always start at 11pm and after. If I do go during rainy season again, I will try going during the weekend and/or start my hunt around 8pm.
You should try going out to the Perimeter Bars during happy hour. You could find what you are looking for around 3 or 4 in the afternoon. If you don't find what you are looking for, go to hotel take a nap, have dinner and then go to Fields.
I think it is harder to find what you want on Fields because there are too many girls, too loud and/or crowded.
Mugroso, Horntoad and Key Master,
Thanks for your perspectives on AC during rainy season.
FireWalker,
I'm not sure what you intend by this? Personally, I like the girls and go to AC just for this reason.
... I think it is harder to find what you want on Fields because there are too many girls ...
I'm with you on this Maple Red, I prefer more girls because that gives me more choices. I don't mind it being crowded. Atlantis, Carousel, Blue Nile and Dollhouse are some of my favorites because they have quantity so I can always find something to poke there.
Mugroso, Horntoad and Key Master,
Thanks for your perspectives on AC during rainy season.
FireWalker,
I'm not sure what you intend by this? Personally, I like the girls and go to AC just for this reason.
FireWalker
08-14-08, 05:16
Mugroso, Horntoad and Key Master,
Thanks for your perspectives on AC during rainy season.
FireWalker,
I'm not sure what you intend by this? Personally, I like the girls and go to AC just for this reason.
I meant as opposed to the Perimeter Bars where there are less girls, less lights, less makeup and not as loud. I don't need a lineup of 50 girls (of which 90% look and act alike) to find what I want, 1 or 2 girls at a time is about all I can handle at a time.
I agree, but maybe for different reasons. In the smaller bars you can get a feel for what the girl is like just by watching her for a while. When you see something you like, wait for eye contact (if she isn't already watching you) and then wave her over. In some bars you can do a lot of flirting while the girls are still on stage (Emotion being one of the better ones for this).
The larger bars you often need a mamasan to point here laser light at a girl in order to get one to sit next to you --- and you often have no clue as to her personality or communication skills until she's already sitting next to you with that expensive soda pop in her hand.
X
I meant as opposed to the Perimeter Bars where there are less girls, less lights, less makeup and not as loud. I don't need a lineup of 50 girls (of which 90% look and act alike) to find what I want, 1 or 2 girls at a time is about all I can handle at a time.
AsianLover2
08-14-08, 12:12
Just wanted to get off my chest an incident that happened to me last night.
I met a girl in Sept 2007. She worked in the club Champagne about 2 months before I sent her home to go to school. I built her family a sari sari to help them support themselves. I continue to send her some money.
I see her every 3 months and she wanted to return to AC to visit her cousin who still works at Champagne and maybe see a friend or two that might still be there.
The mamasan knew when she left last year that she would not be coming back to work in a club. But she was a hottie and would have made them lots of money.
I was in the club Thursday night and barfined her cousin for bar hopping and bought two other friends drinks. So I was contributing to their profits.
I understand the girls are just money making objects and they really dont care one way or another what happens to them as long as they can make a buck off them. But you would think they might try to be a little bit happy for one of their girls who is improving her life.
But no way...the club manager was mad that she left the club. He did not have the testicles to tell me in person so he sent the waitress over and told her to tell me to 'finish my drink and leave'.
With so many clubs to choose from to spend your money....maybe you can just pass on Champagne.
Maybe it overdrinking, but somehow, I get illusions when I go barhopping in AC.
X
Naked Gunz
08-15-08, 01:21
But no way...the club manager was mad that she left the club. He did not have the testicles to tell me in person so he sent the waitress over and told her to tell me to 'finish my drink and leave'.
With so many clubs to choose from to spend your money....maybe you can just pass on Champagne.
Buisness is buisness. Whether women or widgets..
You sure she's not working somewhere else? Or coming back when your gone?
FireWalker
08-15-08, 04:09
I agree, but maybe for different reasons. In the smaller bars you can get a feel for what the girl is like just by watching her for a while. When you see something you like, wait for eye contact (if she isn't already watching you) and then wave her over. In some bars you can do a lot of flirting while the girls are still on stage (Emotion being one of the better ones for this).
The larger bars you often need a mamasan to point here laser light at a girl in order to get one to sit next to you --- and you often have no clue as to her personality or communication skills until she's already sitting next to you with that expensive soda pop in her hand.
X
That's right, Xman. I can find out if she is going to say "I have mense" before she gets off the stage. I also disagree that the girls in Perimeter Bars are less quality. You take away the expensive lighting and extra makeup and you can find plenty of winners outside of Fields. Fields Bars want your money "RIGHT NOW" and Perimeter Bars want your money by return business.
I haven't been to AC since the opening of the Lewis Grand Hotel ... isn't it located in the Perimeter Bar region? If so, has it's opening lead to any increased development of bars (ie. larger bars, and more densly packed bars like in the fields region) in that region?
AsianLover2
08-15-08, 11:39
Buisness is buisness. Whether women or widgets..
You sure she's not working somewhere else? Or coming back when your gone?Thanks for the tip but I am sure. She is 5 hours from AC and has internet in her house. She chats every day before she goes to school and when she gets home. Besides she and her mother run the sari sari from 6 am to 12 pm. Her mother would kill her. LOL
I am celebrating my 25th visit to AC this week and know many mamasans and friends both men and women. I would know if she had been in in town.
We will go clubbing tonight and tell everyone we know to blow off Champagne club.
I haven't been to AC since the opening of the Lewis Grand Hotel ... isn't it located in the Perimeter Bar region? If so, has it's opening lead to any increased development of bars (ie. larger bars, and more densly packed bars like in the fields region) in that region?
Lewis Grand is located in the perimeter area and no, it hasn't increased development of bars in the region yet. From what I hear, they are still going through growing pains with customer service and also lost reservations even with guys bringing in confirmation emails. I think they are in the process of trying to hire new managers. I did see the promo rates which are no longer valid and it was very reasonable. Also the hotel looks very nice form the pics.
Anybody know the resolution to the raids?
I got to know the woner of "Alaska."
A new series of raids was conducted tonight in AC
Here is the information that I have been able to verify from multiple sources:
There were 4 raids conducted by the NBI. The bars that were raided were, Roadhouse, Alaska, KOD (king of diamonds) and Voodoo. The raids started about 11:50pm or so.
There were 3 girls taken from Roadhouse, all of the Alaska girls and staff were taken, the number of girls taken from KOD and Voodoo were unable to be conformable by me, but there is a high likelihood that all or most of them were taken. The Alaska girls were loaded into Jeepneys and taken away.
Most of the Alaska staff was later released, but there are still some being held/detained for reasons unknown to me.
According to an eyewitness on fields ave who saw the NBI guys, the NBI were heavily armed with big guns [ the witness described guns that were similar to armalites (sp?)/ M-16 assault type rifles]
There is a mass of speculation that was/is floating around and even more opinions about who and what was behind these raids, but the simple fact remains that there were 4 confirmed raids that happened. If any more information is able to be confirmed, then certainly I will make an update on this thread.
Now for another interesting point of view with regards to these raids. I do not know if anyone else noticed, but all of the bars that were raided were members of ACTA. Coincidence? (for those of you who do not know what/who ACTA is, they are the Angeles City Tourist Association) and they are comprised of some bars, not all of the bars in AC)
The larger bars you often need a mamasan to point here laser light at a girl in order to get one to sit next to you
My last few visits I brought my own laser pointer and it was a great ice breaker! (as long as you don't point it in their eyes) Perfect tool to get her attention!
In the smaller bars, I try to motion them over by just using my eyes! :p
To Asianlover2 :
Had a few questions about Champagne but unfortunately you cannot receive PM's
..coz they have to deal with the same bullsht we face...small story my regular told me.she got barfined early by a korean guy around 7.30pm at atlantis and was told to wait him until he will pick her up with her frens to continue party in julianas ktv(smart move to get gurls frm fiels coz they cheapr as the ktv chix)so aftr being there at julianas.drinkn with the guy.he spent already 3kbarfine 4 my gf lol..she made an excuse.went to cr.went out.took a trike and wait 4 me untl i finishd barhop..u should imagine his face.hehe.he went bak there next day and complain to mamasan.huhuhu..poor litle guy...so sad.:D
Blink
FireWalker
08-16-08, 04:52
Maybe it overdrinking, but somehow, I get illusions when I go barhopping in AC.
X
I get so drunk sometimes the tryke drivers look just like that.
FireWalker
08-16-08, 04:53
Just wanted to get off my chest an incident that happened to me last night.
I met a girl in Sept 2007. She worked in the club Champagne about 2 months before I sent her home to go to school. I built her family a sari sari to help them support themselves. I continue to send her some money.
I see her every 3 months and she wanted to return to AC to visit her cousin who still works at Champagne and maybe see a friend or two that might still be there.
The mamasan knew when she left last year that she would not be coming back to work in a club. But she was a hottie and would have made them lots of money.
I was in the club Thursday night and barfined her cousin for bar hopping and bought two other friends drinks. So I was contributing to their profits.
I understand the girls are just money making objects and they really dont care one way or another what happens to them as long as they can make a buck off them. But you would think they might try to be a little bit happy for one of their girls who is improving her life.
But no way...the club manager was mad that she left the club. He did not have the testicles to tell me in person so he sent the waitress over and told her to tell me to 'finish my drink and leave'.
With so many clubs to choose from to spend your money....maybe you can just pass on Champagne.
He wasn't mad she left the club, he was mad that you weren't paying permanent barfine.
Agree with Horntoad.
At least one promo rate ended just before I got to town. I dropped in to check rates and see a room -- but ended up walking out disgusted. They got some service bugs to work out, that's for sure.
The cheaper rooms did seem to be fully booked -- they offerred me a very expensive room and said it was the last room available. Yea, how many times have I heard that bullshit!!??? That being said, I was surprised to find that a lot of hotels were fully booked.
X
BTW, I just posted some pics of Wild Orchid in the Photo thread.
Lewis Grand is located in the perimeter area and no, it hasn't increased development of bars in the region yet. From what I hear, they are still going through growing pains with customer service and also lost reservations even with guys bringing in confirmation emails. I think they are in the process of trying to hire new managers. I did see the promo rates which are no longer valid and it was very reasonable. Also the hotel looks very nice form the pics.
AsianLover2
08-16-08, 06:37
He wasn't mad she left the club, he was mad that you weren't paying permanent barfine.Lol. Maybe.
I never understood the permanent barfine drill.
I have had 2 'permanent barfine' girls meet me in the afternoon for some extra money. And a daytime 'permanent barfine' spend the night.
Just send her home and give her the money. Chances are probably better she will keep her legs closed at home in her province than in an AC bar.
A friend sent a girl home and just paid the mamasan $300 to guarantee in writing that she could come back to the club and work if she ever needed a job there.
This trip is coming to and end. Now the countdown to November's return begins.
Hi to all,
for those internetlaptopjunkies like me...I can say orchid inn has the best and most stable connection, either on wi fi or cable DSL..
Swiss chalet has a gud wifi also, followed by PBreeze and last not least central park hotel.
cant speak for the other hotels, cause those are the places I stay most of the times and doing my work or doing things like this
Lewis grand, I think its a nice and new hotel, problem is , its to far away from evrythng, except you like to go to church on sundays :D If I would spent that much money it would be either to have a nice romantic night with a special gurl.....but speaking of service I rather do that in Manila diamond hotel or Pan Pacific with butler service and not in AC
Asianlover2, Im not often in champange, cause when IM there I can forget the next day completly.. The papasan is a pinoy who also does speak german..so I agree with FW on this, they just pissed the gurl stayed with you, gave them an excuse and you skip the steady barfine.. I had allmost the same problem with my GF, when she left the bar for some time she got fine 5k when she start working again, cause they just assume she stays with me and while she is a stunner she is also a good earner for the establishment. she makes easy 25000p a week with drinks and a lot of bola2...
you bought her a laptop?? PLease read my post about camgurls...and even its ur 25 th time in Angeles city you will never know..Im here all the time and what I learned is, seeing is believing..
Like mentioned before, business is business and why should the papa san aproach you in person?? I would also let my staff handle this, cause thats what they paid for , right?
We have allways to look at both sides to make a judgement...and because its most of the business these days in AC, it would be also handled like a business...
Blink
Anybody know the resolution to the raids?
I got to know the woner of "Alaska."
The raids did in fact happen and girls were taken from multiple bars for an "age check" (this is where they bring them to a dentist and have an x-ray taken of the molar teeth region and they use this to determine the age of the girl(s) in question. My research has at most proven this type of age estimation to be only 70% effective, hardly what I could/would/do call conclusive, but this is the Philippines and they have been and are still using this method - EVEN THOUGH THE CITY HAS LICENSED THEM TO WORK!).
All of the girls that were taken for an age check were returned unharmed and ZERO girls were found to be under the age of 18. This was just another attempt my one of the many "authorities" here in the Philippines with "power" to extort money, but all the girls were legal, had all the proper paperwork on file inside the bar and the age checks conducted by the " NBI" were also in order, so the extortion attempt could go no further as there was no wrong doing by the bars or the girls in this incident that I was able to find.
FireWalker
08-17-08, 08:46
A friend sent a girl home and just paid the mamasan $300 to guarantee in writing that she could come back to the club and work if she ever needed a job there.
Totally unnecessary. These girls switch bars all the time and bars are always looking for girls to work.
Do not pay the so called " Permanent Barfine ". It is a scam by the bar and especially the girl to get more money out of you.
The girl gets half the money if you pay the bar. If you pay the girl it is very likely she will keep it for herself.
The girls are free to leave anytime they want. Only person holding her back is the Mamasan who will loose her cut. It is very likely the mamasan knows where the girl lives and maybe the family. But there is nothing the mamasan can do to harm the girl.
There are always new girls coming to the bar and many leaving. If the girl comes back the bar will be glad to have her back. If they do not want her there are many others. There is no such thing as slave girls in AC.
Only advantage of paying permanent barfine is you can take her anytime you are in town without paying barfine. If you are planning to take her on a vacation do not bother. Let her tell the bar she is going home and come with you.
Do not be suckered into Permanent Barfine deal.
I agree with Sammon and FW for the most part, but a few of my opinions....
1) Mamasan can hurt the girl in many different ways. I think Sammon was referring to "financial hurt". You need to help the lady do the escape as seamlessly as possible. Don't burn bridges...for her or yourself.
2) If you barfine a girl and she's absent the next day, she may get "fined". So, if you are serious about a girl don't be obvious about it and don't bar fine her the day before you hope to escape to Borocay...or wherever...
3) the bars are a business, and despite the many criticisms, I'm damn happy that some people are out there doing such a risky business. The permanent barfine is a business strategy -- don't call it a scam.
4) I chatted up a door girl at an AC bar on a rainy night and suggested a bar fine. She said that would be unnecessary since she was already on Perm barfine and was just doing door girl service since whe was bored. (bf was in Mnl) She was cold. I said, "Let's go eat". Five min. later we were in Subdelicious (they have a rodent problem).
The stars were shining on me, since it Just happened to be the first time in my life I had purchased some dick hardening chemicals and they turned out to be very necessary with this lady. She was a hugger in the bed and every time she hugged me, I got hard. And every time I got hard I slipped it in. Not much sleep that night, and she never complained. I'd have to say she was more eager than I was. Weirdest thing of all was the next night when I walked out of bar with a bar fine...there she was sitting on a motorbike with a smirk on her face. The barfine turned out to be a dude, but not sure I would have survived another night with Sheena.
Permanent bar fine? What are you paying for exactly?
X
Do not pay the so called " Permanent Barfine ". It is a scam by the bar and especially the girl to get more money out of you.
The girl gets half the money if you pay the bar. If you pay the girl it is very likely she will keep it for herself.
The girls are free to leave anytime they want. Only person holding her back is the Mamasan who will loose her cut. It is very likely the mamasan knows where the girl lives and maybe the family. But there is nothing the mamasan can do to harm the girl.
There are always new girls coming to the bar and many leaving. If the girl comes back the bar will be glad to have her back. If they do not want her there are many others. There is no such thing as slave girls in AC.
Only advantage of paying permanent barfine is you can take her anytime you are in town without paying barfine. If you are planning to take her on a vacation do not bother. Let her tell the bar she is going home and come with you.
Do not be suckered into Permanent Barfine deal.
whats permanent barfine?better have permanent sex :D
Cant drink anythng nw coz lm on antibiotics.guys makn fun out of me coz evrytime l have to explain its a flue.nt the drips..however some bars offerin discounts on drinks.its low season and the weather is perfect...
Permanent barfine..well l rather goin to buy me a new cp lol.
Have more sex..pay less!
Blink :D
Weirdest thing of all was the next night when I walked out of bar with a bar fine...there she was sitting on a motorbike with a smirk on her face. The barfine turned out to be a dude, but not sure I would have survived another night with Sheena.
X
I think you used the wrong word unless you have moved to the dark side.
Slim
I think you used the wrong word unless you have moved to the dark side.
Slim
Man you guys crack me up :)
it was a nice hotel and i would definitely return. i agree there are growing pains, eg. they lost my airport to hotel transfer reservation, so i ended up having to take a cab. the owner later called to apologize and gave me a free room upgrade, i guess so that it would free up the cheaper room for others like yourself, who might find the higher rate rooms off putting.
although the hotel looks large, there aren't actually that many rooms there. i was on the highest floor (5th floor) and my room # 516 was towards the end. there are no rooms on the 1st floor, 2nd floor is mostly conference or occupied by high ceiling reception area.
on the way to my room, there were more than one occasion where i saw construction workers still putting finishing touches/carpentry on some the rooms, so it is conceivable that there were no more "finished" rooms available when you walked in. the cheapest room was already gone when i made a reservation 2 weeks beforehand.
the buffet breakfast was not flash like say four-seasons, but they did have their own manned omelete station and also they did not have the several hundred rooms of the four seasons to justify that sort of opulence so i was happy in the food department. they make great cocktails and complementary garlic peanuts are awesome.
best of all are the gorgeous staff (i would do the porter and the pa, pity i could not bf them), they were always cheerful and friendly even when i dragged in my bf, i did not get any dirty looks.
there was no wifi signal on the 3rd floor (my first room before the upgrade) nor wifi on the 5th floor, but the standard connection worked well. better than dial-up, at least 128k+ but not adsl2+ 6mb type of speed. good enough for me.
fields ave wasn't far. 15min walk max. sure you may not want your bf to walk, there are plenty of trikes. also there is a complimentary car to send you or pick you up from sm mall and fields. i know they have at least 2 cars and i used it once to get to fields, the other time it was a 30min wait, so i decided to make my own way there anyway.
also it is pretty central when you factor in the perimeter bars and there are plenty of them. it is also closer to the fine eateries of c italiano (good) and a couple of other ones i never got to try, maranao grill, cottage kitchen and brettos. one of the closest perimeter bars to lewis was emotions, where i scored the best gfe experience in my trip, i had good bfs at fields but nothing like the experience i got at emotions (perimeter). a lot more glamour at fields but a lot more lovin at perimeter.
might post some of my own "non pro" pics later.
agree with horntoad.
at least one promo rate ended just before i got to town. i dropped in to check rates and see a room -- but ended up walking out disgusted. they got some service bugs to work out, that's for sure.
the cheaper rooms did seem to be fully booked -- they offerred me a very expensive room and said it was the last room available. yea, how many times have i heard that bullshit!!??? that being said, i was surprised to find that a lot of hotels were fully booked.
x
btw, i just posted some pics of wild orchid in the photo thread.
Good eye! I did in fact mean "dud", but who knows.....a Freudian slip?
X
I think you used the wrong word unless you have moved to the dark side.
Slim
Masked Avenge
08-18-08, 13:44
I am thinking of visiting for the first time in late Oct/early Nov for about a week and am looking for ideas on a budget hotel reasonably close to the action. Will be flying to Clark airport.
I usually try for something around $US30 and have had good luck in Thailand (Bangkok & Pattaya), Cambodia (Pnomh Penh & Siem Reap), Indonesia (Jakarta, Bali, Surabaya & Yogyakarta), Vietnam (Saigon, Nha Trang, Da Nang, Hue & Hanoi) and even Singapore. As long as there is A/C, clean, big comfortable bed and guest friendly I am happy.
I have found a few budget hotels on websites, but personal recommendations are always so much better. I am happy to provide details about my favorite hotels in any of the places mentioned above.
Member #4643
08-18-08, 22:05
I have met a very nice looking girl on DIA who, "wants to be my girlfriend." She is from Angeles City and "works in the bar as a dancer." Many men proposition her for sex, but she claims, "i don't like men who only want sex."
As she is really hot, and I am simply looking for a girl who is good between the sheets, fun to talk with and, well....good between the sheets (and have never pretended otherwise), I was surprised by this statement.
I don't need advice on what to do with this pretty girl, but I am curious if any of you guys with Philiippines experience have a better handle on this than I. After all, I assume that if she dances in a bar in Angeles City that she is available to be bar fined by virtually anyone. Even if she has the right of refusal for some guys, she cannot really be "just" a dancer, right? Certainly, in Brazil, where I have a lot of experience, she wouldn't be allowed to simply dance (actually, she wouldn't make any money if she never did programas).
Please help me figure out the reality of this situation. Are the Philippines that different from Brazil?
After all, I assume that if she dances in a bar in Angeles City that she is available to be bar fined by virtually anyone. Even if she has the right of refusal for some guys, she cannot really be "just" a dancer, right?Actually yes, she has a choice depending what she has worked out with her mamasan. My last visit (May '08) I ran into many dancers (and waitresses for that matter) who would not do an EWR for various reasons. But if she is a knockout, she can easily make good money on ladies drinks and tips!
Member #4643
08-18-08, 23:14
It is surprising to hear that a girl could work in the sex industry and make good money without offering sex, but I guess that is what happens all the time in strip joints in the USA.
As the Phillipines are not the USA (thank the lord!!!!), I will assume that she is the exceptional beauty who doesn't need to give up her body for $. I am looking for a girlfriend experience, not a girlfriend, so I guess I will never find out the actual truth here. But, I am guessing that Mattrick is correct.
I have read enough of this board to know that I don't need to go to Brazil every time my johnson needs a fix! As I only have three days there, I think I will stay in Manila and hunt the bars and malls there.
For a decent budget hotel in your price range check out the Premiere Hotel, Sunset Garden, or the Phoneix Hotel (try them in that order). They are far from stellar but not bad places with good AC, hot water, and good food at the bar/ resturaunt. They are both located on Perimeter road about away between all of the bars at Fields AVE and the Friendship gate with several decent bars, blow job bars, and restuarants to include Zapatas within a minutes walk.
As for getting to fields ave you could walk but it is a bit of a haul unless you hit all of the little bars along the way so I recommend using a trike or a jeepney.
I am thinking of visiting for the first time in late Oct/early Nov for about a week and am looking for ideas on a budget hotel reasonably close to the action. Will be flying to Clark airport.
I usually try for something around $US30 and have had good luck in Thailand (Bangkok & Pattaya), Cambodia (Pnomh Penh & Siem Reap), Indonesia (Jakarta, Bali, Surabaya & Yogyakarta), Vietnam (Saigon, Nha Trang, Da Nang, Hue & Hanoi) and even Singapore. As long as there is A/C, clean, big comfortable bed and guest friendly I am happy.
I have found a few budget hotels on websites, but personal recommendations are always so much better. I am happy to provide details about my favorite hotels in any of the places mentioned above.
Actually there are a few i think maybe 10 out of 10,000 bar girls. I am joking of course but i do of 1 girl at Mirrors that is a waitress and "yes" a cherry girl that has worked there for 18 months and makes all her money on lady drinks. Very nice girl but very conservative by bar girl standards.
Fastpiston
08-19-08, 03:24
I have met a very nice looking girl on DIA who, "wants to be my girlfriend." She is from Angeles City and "works in the bar as a dancer." Many men proposition her for sex, but she claims, "i don't like men who only want sex."
As she is really hot, and I am simply looking for a girl who is good between the sheets, fun to talk with and, well....good between the sheets (and have never pretended otherwise), I was surprised by this statement.
I don't need advice on what to do with this pretty girl, but I am curious if any of you guys with Philippines experience have a better handle on this than I. After all, I assume that if she dances in a bar in Angeles City that she is available to be bar fined by virtually anyone. Even if she has the right of refusal for some guys, she cannot really be "just" a dancer, right? Certainly, in Brazil, where I have a lot of experience, she wouldn't be allowed to simply dance (actually, she wouldn't make any money if she never did programas).
Please help me figure out the reality of this situation. Are the Philippines that different from Brazil?
Well, there can be many reasons why she says this. Could be she is on the rag. Could be she is looking for Big money rather than what she considers small bar fines. Could be she is sick with something. Check how long she has been dancing / in AC. The longer she has been doing it, the more 'experienced' she is and able to 'talk-the-talk'. If she has gold jewelry etc., guess who paid for it? Is she good at Internet - if so, you know she is not only a two-timer but multiple-timer! If she is not young, then she may feel time is getting short for an exit. How active is her cell phone? Important to look at things from the girls' perspective.
FireWalker
08-19-08, 10:29
Well, there can be many reasons why she says this. Could be she is on the rag. Could be she is looking for Big money rather than what she considers small bar fines. Could be she is sick with something. Check how long she has been dancing / in AC. The longer she has been doing it, the more 'experienced' she is and able to 'talk-the-talk'. If she has gold jewelry etc., guess who paid for it? Is she good at Internet - if so, you know she is not only a two-timer but multiple-timer! If she is not young, then she may feel time is getting short for an exit. How active is her cell phone? Important to look at things from the girls' perspective.
HMMM. Sounds like bolla bolla. Yes, I know of some girls who don't barfine, but I know one who is like that but knocks on my buddies door in the middle of the night. She tells customers she doesn't barfine, yea.
I would not get involved with that girl, because she will roll over in bed one day and say "I don't like you because you want sex all the time".
FireWalker
08-19-08, 10:33
It is surprising to hear that a girl could work in the sex industry and make good money without offering sex, but I guess that is what happens all the time in strip joints in the USA.
I have a girl there that used to sell upwards of 24 Lady Drinks in a night. That is double a barfine pay.
Masked Avenge
08-19-08, 11:15
Thanks Psdai. Great info.
Anyone stay at The Brass Knob? Love the name!!
Cheap hotels that have caught my eye so far are: Koala. The Limited Edition Hotel. L Tinnio's Inn. Marble Inn. Marquis. Perimeter Hotel. Ponderosa. Sydney Hotel.
Any reviews?
Forrest,
If she , your bargirl from Angeles city, subscribed to DIA, I assume she is looking for a guy who dont allways want to bang her all the time and then says goodbye, hehehehe. I think she like a guy who sometimes have a talk with her, bring her to the movies, etc.
That would be my first thought, but if she is from AC, I think its just bullshit :D, if she is Kampapangan its bullshit², hope that helps.
Im posting in DIA since a couple of month, never met anyone until now. I supposed to meet up with 3 girls in AC last time, but they all wanted me to meet up in a mall, which I refused. Also because I was to tired from last night barhopping with my regular and the usual stuff I do with her after barhop :D
DIA is nice if you at home and just wanted to keep in touch with Philippines and dreaming about your next trip. I dont need to dream that, cause Im here permantly. Girls know that and they know I just want to hump on them, so either I get the dogs who doesnt care at all, or I get messages from girls in visaya region, where I cant go now.
Havent said this, your mind will change once you touch Philippine soil. You will be so busy chasing the girls, you wont think much about all the promises you make over the net. What you want is get laid and in a nice way with much GFE. YOu wont spend your hard earned money dating girls, without getting laid, would you? (that is what you can do at home) So, all those "girls" wanted to get a boyfriend, just skip them, you can email them and get in touch with them when you home.
Your in the Philippines now, bang as much as you can.
Blink
Great post Blink....I even got a laugh out of the part where you explain, "What you want is get laid and in a nice way with much GFE. YOu wont spend your hard earned money dating girls, without getting laid, would you? (that is what you can do at home) "
My advice is a little different (I don't live in PI, but I also don't live in the West - which is what Blink probably means by "at home" ).
I say, Go for it. Meet her for lunch before her work. Treat it like a real date and see what happens. If things don't go well, you can always go to her bar that night and barfine her friend. (no, just joking).
If she doesn't give it up, but you still have interest, get some short time action only. You can be sure she'll be checking up on you. And if you played it right, she might call you at 2 or 3 or 4 am to tell you she finished work, which is when you would either say come on over (that tells her you aren't fking around - white lie) and if she says "no" tell her you miss her like crazy and could she come over for swimming at the hotel pool tomorrow...bring a friend.
You said she's hot, her friends are probably hot too. More important, if it is all bola bola, the friend might not be as good an actor as your target. Which gives info, but considering Forest's report, he just wants to get laid anyway.
If she says she doesn't have a swimsuit, she may be looking for gifts. Not a good sign. If she says she doesn't know how to swim, you have a good reason to hold on to her...just don't grab her tits like Blink would -- he's been in AC too long.
Hmm, another option...Send Blink her picture and let him try to bar fine her. If Blink reports that she refused, you'll know one of three things: 1) she's a good girl 2) she's very good at the bola bola game 3) Blink knows how to keep secrets.
Blink, I think the mall is a great place to meet up (food court works for me). Why would you refuse, and where would be a good alternative meeting spot?
X
PS, Forest, where is she from? What bar? If she is from AC there are a few different things in play. She may live with her family and goes home every night at a certain time. This sometimes happens with the Perimeter girls where the bars have an early close time.
Forrest,
If she , your bargirl from Angeles city, subscribed to DIA, I assume she is looking for a guy who dont allways want to bang her all the time and then says goodbye, hehehehe. I think she like a guy who sometimes have a talk with her, bring her to the movies, etc.
That would be my first thought, but if she is from AC, I think its just bullshit :D, if she is Kampapangan its bullshit², hope that helps.
Im posting in DIA since a couple of month, never met anyone until now. I supposed to meet up with 3 girls in AC last time, but they all wanted me to meet up in a mall, which I refused. Also because I was to tired from last night barhopping with my regular and the usual stuff I do with her after barhop :D
DIA is nice if you at home and just wanted to keep in touch with Philippines and dreaming about your next trip. I dont need to dream that, cause Im here permantly. Girls know that and they know I just want to hump on them, so either I get the dogs who doesnt care at all, or I get messages from girls in visaya region, where I cant go now.
Havent said this, your mind will change once you touch Philippine soil. You will be so busy chasing the girls, you wont think much about all the promises you make over the net. What you want is get laid and in a nice way with much GFE. YOu wont spend your hard earned money dating girls, without getting laid, would you? (that is what you can do at home) So, all those "girls" wanted to get a boyfriend, just skip them, you can email them and get in touch with them when you home.
Your in the Philippines now, bang as much as you can.
Blink
Interesting. I've met almost no girls on DIA that would admit to working in a bar in angeles. What a pity.
I have met a very nice looking girl on DIA who, "wants to be my girlfriend." She is from Angeles City and "works in the bar as a dancer." Many men proposition her for sex, but she claims, "i don't like men who only want sex."
As she is really hot, and I am simply looking for a girl who is good between the sheets, fun to talk with and, well....good between the sheets (and have never pretended otherwise), I was surprised by this statement.
I don't need advice on what to do with this pretty girl, but I am curious if any of you guys with Philiippines experience have a better handle on this than I. After all, I assume that if she dances in a bar in Angeles City that she is available to be bar fined by virtually anyone. Even if she has the right of refusal for some guys, she cannot really be "just" a dancer, right? Certainly, in Brazil, where I have a lot of experience, she wouldn't be allowed to simply dance (actually, she wouldn't make any money if she never did programas).
Please help me figure out the reality of this situation. Are the Philippines that different from Brazil?
If the girl is a show dancer she maybe telling the truth. Some showgirls do not want to be barfined. Either they have a sugar daddy or a boyfriend who takes care of her.
But the regular dancers just do not make enough money if they do not barfine. She may make some money from drinks but soon the word gets around among the girls and mamasan that she is fake. So other girls and the mamasan will warn the guys not bother buying her drinks.
All girls in AC are looking for a steady boyfriend or a foreigner to be their gravy train. Even the girl I barfined few times told me she loves me and not to barfine anybody else because her friends will look down on her. What the F ? It is ok for her to be go with anybody she wants when i am not there but it is not ok for me to barfine another girl.
It is their way of making sure the money is spent on her.
What you think, be tears are real from the girls after longtime 5 days.
What are the tricks from the girls to fall in love with here?
New girls learning from the professional?
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