Angeles City

[Goferring]

Everyone takes one for the team. Confess.Self incrimination is never wise. Preplanning to avoid any evidence is much better. Remember that no witnesses + no body = no crime. Bypass other big mouthed mongers and reception staff who will delight in snitching and even exaggerate the story.

If confronted by others, remember Deny, Deny Deny and plead the 5th.

[AsianPursuits]

So after my massage lady debacle I took stock, check the freelancer availability index and calculated ROI on chasing them around for a few hours. Decided to try a few bars.

The relocated Angelwitch in the old Voodoo location. Seems to be doing well. Nice vibe and nice music. Kind of nice all around.

Labamba has the cheapest bar drink ad lady drink prices I have seen. The girls on stage are friendly enough but not spinners or stunners.

Masquerade was packed with beauties and lovelies. Also packed with punters. The place has a generally packed vibe.

Midnight Rodeo took in some old fashioned hits.

I didn't take a girl last night. Somewhere during all of this one of the freelancers messaged with a commitment that she'll be at my place early this morning. Let's see how that goes.

I love this place.

[WestCoast1]

If confronted by others, remember Deny, Deny Deny and plead the 5th.Hahaha. Or alternately: "I don't recall".

Picture back-story. First, the porker in the pic gave a lovely BJ (with the exception that she farted, twice, during her longanissa snack). Notice that I was not the one who snapped the pic. It's *possible* that there was a second heifer in the room snapping pics. I got them from a ST / BJ place on Santos: Two girls, p400 each, 4 hours at my place (back in the day).

In retrospect it might have been a better experience if the lights in the room were off. I don't recall.

[AsianPursuits]

That area around the front of Phillies on the main road has always been a haunt for the different class of sellers. In my early days it was cheap freelancers. Then the ladyboys migrated to there from elsewhere (I think in the area around the Star Pharmacy (since renamed).

Walking past last night it really hit rock bottom. An older lady made eye contact with me and pointed to the much too young girl in the gutter on her phone. She was offering me this girl, maybe her daughter but I think more likely her grandchld or a niece. Fun and games with consenting adults is good fun but we really don't want underage activity here.

Maybe it was even a setup for a shakedown.

Be careful out there guys.

[WestCoast1]

I didn't take a girl last night. Somewhere during all of this one of the freelancers messaged with a commitment that she'll be at my place early this morning. Let's see how that goes.

I love this place.


I worked in my room and let her sleep until midday then I got in bed with her and help onto her. Geez these girls can sleep heavily. Eventually she wakes, more small talk and goes into sex mode.

Yes I did pay her and she was on her way to wherever. There really are opportunities everywhere here and no need to wait until the bars open.


Street report. SNIP. Went back home, searched Wechat for an in-room massage and had a girl delivered by the time I had finished brushing my teeth. Nice girl, single mum (surprised?) from Mindanao. Lots of choices in Angeles.Shame you have to keep putting up with this stuff.


SJ Archive photo. As mentioned before, current SJ Regular Crew members are never pictured (with one exception).That's a nice archived ass. Latina? Pina? Gringa?

Westy archived ass attached.

[AsianPursuits]

In reviewing my time in Ph over the past two months, I think the difference with AC is proximity and availability.

In my weeks in Cebu, there are lots of girls and sweet girls. But many of the are located in cities that are 1-2 hours away from Cebu City. Contacting them same day and getting a meet is unlikely. Plus the ubiquitous transport money request.

In AC there are probably the same number of available girls but they are in Balibago, Dau, Diamond all a minimum Grab fare away or trike. Plus it almost feels like there are rosters of girls that hit the sites at various times.

5:30-7 am At home moms whom can go out now or later.

7-12 Naughty 20-29 years olds.

12-4 Bar girls looking for a short time before work.

5-9 Serious freelancers that slept all day and looking tonight's gig.

9-2 Pimped performers.

Thursday nights Out of towners looking for some certainty before they catch a van to won on Friday afternoon.

This is full of generalisations.

[Goferring]

Plus it almost feels like there are rosters of girls that hit the sites at various times.

5:30-7 am At home moms whom can go out now or later.

7-12 Naughty 20-29 years olds.

12-4 Bar girls looking for a short time before work.

5-9 Serious freelancers that slept all day and looking tonight's gig.

9-2 Pimped performers.

Thursday nights Out of towners looking for some certainty before they catch a van to won on Friday afternoon.

This is full of generalisations.Plus falling into sync with their preferred customers' time zone.

[Turgid]

Ring any bells?With a BB slurpy all you have to do is close your eyes and imagine she's Celeste Cortesi.

[Old And Ugly]

I ended up with 2 out of 3 girls going with me, the 3rd one found a boyfriend and she thought that that's the one. I have no problem with that, actually I'm glad when any of them find the long awaited rescuer that's going to give them a better life.

So, I wasted 100 $ for the airplane ticket, but anyway I was starting to think about the people at the hotel in boracay seeing me in and out the room with 3 sexy chicks, and worrying about them thinking that I'm some sort of pimp.

The left behind chick, upon return cried because none of her expectations became reality, and she lost the chance to visit boracay for free.

Boracay was really enjoyable with 2 chicks in tow, compared to last time when I was alone: great weather, good food, nice bars, talented musicians, and as usual. Lots of koreans, few white couples, and some groups of white dudes, looking with hungry eyes at my girls, which were approached and proposed every time they went to the bathroom, or walked by themselves at some distance in front of me. Is not cheap but worth visiting once in a while, in my opinion way better than cancun or Florida.

Everything went as planned: sex, beach, eat, rest, dance (watch them dance, because I know it will look ridiculous seeing an old fart doing the macarena with his "daughters".

As some of you predicted, the phones transformed them at any given chance when sitting, into brainless zombies starring at the little screen, with no awareness of the surroundings, or me talking to them, but I found an elegant solution, since I didn't want to take their phones away (because it appeared to me that taking selfies every few minutes, generated extreme happiness): I was taking a pic of them looking in the little screens, and send it to them with some funny caption, like "Hello, anybody in there? It seems that if the message comes from the magic screen, and not directly in to the ear it works instantly.

None of the pre-pandemic big dance clubs survived, only one named epic, which may be new, with no dance area. Hundreds of people just sitting and starring at the dj playing computer generated noise, my 2 girls were the only ones dancing in the only space available, next to our table, but only now and then when the noises resembled some reminiscence of a known song.

The bands playing in the restaurants were great, but you have to get in early, because it was crowded, and no empty tables left after they start playing.

After the return to angeles we went back to my hotel, and before the girls went home to do laundry and stuff, I put the leftover money I had from boracay, about 45 k on the table and told them to take what they want. Each took 5 k, and asked if it was ok, impressive.

They stayed with me for the next 10 days before I returned to the USA And never asked for any more money, on my own I gave each 20 k, because I know they were not working while staying with me, and have bills to pay, they even came with me to the airport to say goodbye.

I don't want to keep in touch, because it serves no purpose if I'm not returning soon, but maybe I will send them 5 k each for Christmas, because I think they earned it.

[Ggekko2009]

I find it a task to write anything long and I am trying to jot down my experience here while the memory is still fresh for future reference.

Tue: Departed Makati for AC after spending a long weekend there. Had a private chauffeur to bring us there at 4000 pesos. Divided by three of us in the group, it's a no brainer. Checked into ABC two bedroom aqua suite, while my second buddy occupied another aqua suite bedroom. ABC is the place to be if one is not on a budget. Pool party bar club with DJ etc of the 7th floor with 24 hours room service. The room has bathtub where you can just bang girls if one so desire. Bar fined a girl that night, nothing memorable, girl was small and petite and I was worried that I might break her at anytime.

Wed: Catch on on my sleep. Jetleg was still lingering. Just chill out at the aqua club, work out in their gym, had full body massages, pedicure and watching all these soccer games.

Thu: Bar fined a girl from Dragon as she did not look like the average pinays. Turned out she had some Spanish blood. Both my buddies had been very busy since arriving AC. One of them has been a veteran there and he knows many girls while the other one was his first time and he was enthralled by the experience. I, on the other hand, was not as excited this time. I think my taste has always been geared more towards the latinas and the Indonesian varieties. That night, each of my buddies have bar-fined at least two to three girls and we had ourselves a wild party at the aqua club in the same ABC hotel. My girl for that night was very affectionate and attentive and had no qualms with showing her affections with kisses etc in the public at the party.

Fri: Catching up on the hangover from the previous night. Just chilled out in the hotel and by the aqua club. Spent some time with my buddies bar hopping. Not really my thing, but there is really nothing much to do at AC.

Sat: Tried to contact my Thursday girl on WhatsApp. No reply. Apparently she was bar-fined and was away for a few days at Cebu. No big deal, followed my buddies bar hopping again. My buddies had already bar-finned their girls. They just enjoyed hopping from one bar to the next while bring their girls, note: girls as in plural for each one of them. Now, we ended up in XS. XS was at least not as boring as they had at least some decent dance shows, with the intermittent parading of their girls who can be bar-fined. Sat next to a "Tequila" girl whom I originally thought to be the mamasan. She laughed when I told her that, but anyway I enjoyed having the conversation with her. She explained to me how the whole setup. Dancing girls can be bar-fined but they will only accompany your for drinks, no sex. For girls that can be bar-fines, rates are set at 4000 pesos for short term and 5000 pesos for long. The girl gets half of that. Anyway, she tried to get me to bar-fine her friend on stage, which I finally did. Anyway, I ended up bar-fining the "tequila" girl too so that we can have a bigger group and watch the world cup game played by the US team, and a threesome with both of them after that.

Here's the kicker: After the first goal against the US team, I had this sinking feeling that they would lose the game. At that point, I told the girls to get the water running in the Jacuzzi in my bedroom. If the US team cannot score that night, at least I would have the satisfaction of scoring myself tonight with these two girls. As I said earlier, the ABC room is built to rest, chill and host an orgy. Now what I learned at that point as we fooled around with one another, the tequila's friend is actually a bisexual. I have always had a thing for bisexual girls in a threesome, since the whole thing is so much more interactive instead of having two girls taking turn on me. Anyway, that Tequila girl was surprised to learn that her friend was a bi. I was able to cajole the Tequila girl to give it a try. Of course, the other bisexual girl needed no cajoling. In the end, that girl commented that she never thought she actually liked it came at least 3 times that night by let's say doing things differently. LOL.

[SeaTraveler]

I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.

[Dg8787]

I ended up with 2 out of 3 girls going with me, the 3rd one found a boyfriend and she thought that that's the one. I have no problem with that, actually I'm glad when any of them find the long awaited rescuer that's going to give them a better life.

So, I wasted 100 $ for the airplane ticket, but anyway I was starting to think about the people at the hotel in boracay seeing me in and out the room with 3 sexy chicks, and worrying about them thinking that I'm some sort of pimp.

The left behind chick, upon return cried because none of her expectations became reality, and she lost the chance to visit boracay for free.

Boracay was really enjoyable with 2 chicks in tow, compared to last time when I was alone: great weather, good food, nice bars, talented musicians, and as usual. Lots of koreans, few white couples, and some groups of white dudes, looking with hungry eyes at my girls, which were approached and proposed every time they went to the bathroom, or walked by themselves at some distance in front of me. Is not cheap but worth visiting once in a while, in my opinion way better than cancun or Florida.

Everything went as planned: sex, beach, eat, rest, dance (watch them dance, because I know it will look ridiculous seeing an old fart doing the macarena with his "daughters".

As some of you predicted, the phones transformed them at any given chance when sitting, into brainless zombies starring at the little screen, with no awareness of the surroundings, or me talking to them, but I found an elegant solution, since I didn't want to take their phones away (because it appeared to me that taking selfies every few minutes, generated extreme happiness): I was taking a pic of them looking in the little screens, and send it to them with some funny caption, like "Hello, anybody in there? It seems that if the message comes from the magic screen, and not directly in to the ear it works instantly.

None of the pre-pandemic big dance clubs survived, only one named epic, which may be new, with no dance area. Hundreds of people just sitting and starring at the dj playing computer generated noise, my 2 girls were the only ones dancing in the only space available, next to our table, but only now and then when the noises resembled some reminiscence of a known song.

The bands playing in the restaurants were great, but you have to get in early, because it was crowded, and no empty tables left after they start playing.

After the return to angeles we went back to my hotel, and before the girls went home to do laundry and stuff, I put the leftover money I had from boracay, about 45 k on the table and told them to take what they want. Each took 5 k, and asked if it was ok, impressive.

They stayed with me for the next 10 days before I returned to the USA And never asked for any more money, on my own I gave each 20 k, because I know they were not working while staying with me, and have bills to pay, they even came with me to the airport to say goodbye.

I don't want to keep in touch, because it serves no purpose if I'm not returning soon, but maybe I will send them 5 k each for Christmas, because I think they earned it.Very nice report. Glad you had a great time there.

I am wondering if you can name the hotel you stayed at? Some hotels limit two to a room.

Also what spots had good live 60's - 70's music?

Thanks for the info and taking care of the girls.

[WestCoast1]

I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.You are asking someone else to waste his time doing something for you, so that you don't have to waste your time? Are you offering some compensation?

[GentileBear]

Just look for the white vans. That is how the Korean's go barhopping. They travel in packs. Speaking of packs. They also wear the man-purse on thier fronts. Even me being a fat western guy. I have never been turned down to enter a AC bar. Was offered free seaweed from a guy once. Just use common sense. If you see Asian writing at the front door and entrance along with RGB lights glowing inside to Techo rapid KPop Music- it might be a Korean bar.

[Dg8787]

I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.I would gladly make the list for you if I could only read and write Korean.

[SeaTraveler]

You are asking someone else to waste his time doing something for you, so that you don't have to waste your time? Are you offering some compensation?As a SENIOR Member, I've posted long detailed trip reports on ISG for every trip I've taken. My contributions to other members. (See Indonesia in 2014). I'm not being lazy, I have no way to access that information so I think a call for help from those with boots on the ground isn't out of order. It would likely help many members of this Board. Not just me. Thanks, Bob.

[AsianPursuits]

I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.You will know. The bar will have a korean owner, the bar will be full of koreans and probably even have korean signage.

No need for a list. Just enjoy.

[Ggekko2009]

You will know. The bar will have a korean owner, the bar will be full of koreans and probably even have korean signage.

No need for a list. Just enjoy.Or maybe just do the reverse, walk in and if you see old white guys drinking beer by the bottle with young pinays by the side, it's a sure sign it's a non-Korean bar. Easy to spot too since these bars are always without crowds.

Many of the Korean operated bars that I had noticed had Korean employees who oversee the operations in there, which I assume the Koreans had provided cash infusion and invested to keep these bars afloat after the area reopened. Without these investments, I am pretty sure the walking street will be much quieter and in a worse shape.

[Engine Driver]

I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.Even fat, old white blokes will get dragged into the Korean bars by the Pinay GRO out the front. You don't need to worry. Sure you can bar fine the unwanted chicks which are left over, once the Koreans have packed up and left with all the hotties.

[NapaSlapper]

I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.As a westerner I have always been welcomed in all korean bars, once your face is known to the korean owners / managers will always offer a warm handshake and a 1st welcome drink on the house, so don't worry too much about being welcomed.

The korean bars tend to be much larger, much better decorated with profesional dance teams, they employ multiple girl, mostly slim, taller, lighter skin and fairly attractive, the best girls by far work in the korean owned bars and as such many girls are popular for lady drinks and earn large by staying in the bar.

The western owned bars are quite easy to tell, they tend to be much smaller, much older looking and employ small numbers of mostly chubby, older, plain girls, wester bars tend to have much older mainly western ex pat patrons, the girls tend to be more playful but low in quality.

Have a nice trip and please report your findings.

[Old And Ugly]

Very nice report. Glad you had a great time there.

I am wondering if you can name the hotel you stayed at? Some hotels limit two to a room.

Also what spots had good live 60's - 70's music?

Thanks for the info and taking care of the girls.We stayed at the Villa Caemilla Beach Boutique Hotel where I got tha premiere deluxe room, which is very large, has a king bed and a sitting area with a couch. They offered to bring in a second bed if needed. No use for that.

Price was about $90/ night and compared to other hotels, not much walking in the sand to get to it from where the ev drops you, and is right on the beach and the rooms look new. Not to be confused with casa caemilla.

The restaurant that had the most incredible rock band I've seen in philippines is named "Nigi Nigi Nu Noos" or something like that.

[D Cups]

Hi guys, I will be coming up to AC in a few days for a few days. Although I have two regulars I see there I would like to find a third. If you have seen any slim and busty (at least Cee Cup) in the clubs or kindly sound off particularly if you have sampled her wares and were happy with that. Thanks, fellas.

[JKTBanger]

Hey gents,

I will be visiting AC in January and was curious if anyone could recommend something that is closest to Pattaya's soi 6? Basically anywhere with a lot of girls on tap which you can take upstairs for a quickie. I'the prefer to not run back to my hotel if any of the bars have a bed upstairs.

Cheers,

[Expat American]

Hey gents,

I will be visiting AC in January and was curious if anyone could recommend something that is closest to Pattaya's soi 6? Basically anywhere with a lot of girls on tap which you can take upstairs for a quickie. I'the prefer to not run back to my hotel if any of the bars have a bed upstairs.

Cheers,Don't compare AC with Pattaya. A few Perimeter and Raymond St bars have onsite rooms but they are dirty, small and don't even have running water. AC is compact. Everything is a few hundred meters around Walking Street. Get a convenient hotel and take the girl back for a much more relaxed session to your hotel.

[JKTBanger]

Don't compare AC with Pattaya. A few Perimeter and Raymond St bars have onsite rooms but they are dirty, small and don't even have running water. AC is compact. Everything is a few hundred meters around Walking Street. Get a convenient hotel and take the girl back for a much more relaxed session to your hotel.Wasn't so much comparing the two places, but rather found the reference to soi 6 to best summarize what I was looking for. I know Pattaya well, but AC less so (I've only been a dozen times, and not in the last 5 years).

Dirty and small bars, I'm actually OK with that. It conveniently matches the kind of women I like.

[AsianPursuits]

Hi guys, I will be coming up to AC in a few days for a few days. Although I have two regulars I see there I would like to find a third. If you have seen any slim and busty (at least Cee Cup) in the clubs or kindly sound off particularly if you have sampled her wares and were happy with that. Thanks, fellas.I will send you a PM for a girl that meets this build.

[D Cups]

I will send you a PM for a girl that meets this build.Thanks, man. I am back home in Duma now. Six chicks in three days and I am balls empty. Including the one from the old Voodoo. Much obliged.

[AsianPursuits]

Thanks, man. I am back home in Duma now. Six chicks in three days and I am balls empty. Including the one from the old Voodoo. Much obliged.Glad you enjoyed my recommendation. She has been working that bar location since at least 2013 and knows her way around a monger's cock that's for sure.

Sounds like you scored high on the creampie / day index also.

[NapaSlapper]

Well its a few days before Christmas and in to peak season so how are the bars doing?

After a couple of barhops over the last few days it seems that most of the favourite western owned walking st bars are really struggling to attract both punters and girls numbers, many bars having no customers at all, most busy bar among western bars was lollipop bar, this bar tends to get a few regular expats in, the girls tend to be hands on which they like but the girl quality is low.

On to Atlantis bar, I was the only non Korean in there, girl numbers were well down on last visit as many of the better looking girls have headed to their home province for Christmas and new year with their kids and family, the story was much the same in all the other big walking st gogo bars.

Street freelancers, where once there was quite a big scene of street girls they seem to be in small numbers now replaced by multiple tall butch men in dresses, if one likes such then plenty to be found on all st corners leading up to walking st, for those that can't tell or don't like such then ask 1st before being shocked back at the room.

In summing up, the town is very quiet, its mostly younger Korean punters, they outnumber westerners many times, girls numbers down, drinks only girls in many bars, its not easy to get laid as a westerner if one has standards.

[Old And Ugly]

What are the best options for long term stays, 1 to 3 months?

Cheap hotels, airbnb, or apartments?

I checked some hotels, including kokomos, and the cheap ones look pretty gross.

[WestCoast1]

What are the best options for long term stays, 1 to 3 months? Cheap hotels, airbnb, or apartments? I checked some hotels, including kokomos, and the cheap ones look pretty gross.They are usually exactly that. What are your requirements for quality when you refer to 'best options'? Do you have examples of similar hotels elsewhere?

Hotels in Phils are of worse quality for the same amount of money than those of Thailand.

[Docwiltro]

I will be in Angeles the end of March. I haven't been there in 15 years. At that time, all bars were western friendly. To the best of my knowledge there were no Korean only bars at that time.

Can someone create a list of Korean bars, so I don't waste my time. I'm from the USA. Thanks, Bob.I wouldn't write off all Korean bars. Barnana is one of those bars imo. There is a momasan in that joint named Addy who seems to have a vested interested in getting Barnana girls barfined, and there is some cuties in that bar. Check out her ad in FB. Buy her a couple of drinks and she'll text you when this one that one is there and available.

[Pute Nut]

Interesting ad. So she's hiring fat girls, but only if they're pretty LOL. Have to check that one. Nice touch mentioning the Korean customers' money rains as a perk BTW.


I wouldn't write off all Korean bars. Barnana is one of those bars imo. There is a momasan in that joint named Addy who seems to have a vested interested in getting Barnana girls barfined, and there is some cuties in that bar. Check out her ad in FB. Buy her a couple of drinks and she'll text you when this one that one is there and available.

[Old And Ugly]

They are usually exactly that. What are your requirements for quality when you refer to 'best options'? Do you have examples of similar hotels elsewhere?

Hotels in Phils are of worse quality for the same amount of money than those of Thailand.2 weeks ago I checked about 25 hotels, everything that's within walking distance to fields ave, I was lightly drunk, at the time seemed that I will remember everything, but right now is all a big blank.

I remember the walk around hotel as being ok, venus, kandi, and the rest is just a fuzzy memory. Venus and kandi seems too expensive for long term. At walk around I saw the poolside room only, which is cheaper than the other 2, but still $1000/ mo. I would imagine there are other cheaper, clean places. $1000/ mo seems a bit excessive for philippines, around $500/ mo is what I'm looking for.

I booked a room at a hotel named modern suites for 1 night for $20, just to check it out, but it was a hoax, the hotel doesn't exist, there is a construction site there.

It doesn't have to be a hotel, but just wandering aimlessly on the streets, that's all there is to see. A place with a separate bedroom would be nice, where should I look for it?

[Dg8787]

What are the best options for long term stays, 1 to 3 months?

Cheap hotels, airbnb, or apartments?

I checked some hotels, including kokomos, and the cheap ones look pretty gross.Hint. Cheap hotels everywhere in the world are pretty gross. Per western standards.

[BigthDikth]

I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?

BTW, I was in St Petersburg Russia a little while after the wall fell and I got massages with happy endings where I paid $25 for four girls for an hour. Four young beautiful women. I wrote about it on this site so it's somewhere 😆.

[WestCoast1]

I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?$1500 and $5000 US Dollars per month? Or alternately, p1500 and p5000 per night? Prices for accommodations (hotels)? Prices for bar-fines? Street Walkers?

[Dg8787]

I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?

BTW, I was in St Petersburg Russia a little while after the wall fell and I got massages with happy endings where I paid $25 for four girls for an hour. Four young beautiful women. I wrote about it on this site so it's somewhere 😆.All history and not pertinent to today. When I first started working a hot lunch in a cafe costed $1. 35. Of course I made $1. 65 per hour. Gasoline was. 28 a gallon. Bread was 4 loafs for $1. 00. All have nothing to do with today.

[AsianPursuits]

It doesn't have to be a hotel, but just wandering aimlessly on the streets, that's all there is to see. A place with a separate bedroom would be nice, where should I look for it?Set up an AirBnb account and book any of these places. I would place little emphasis on being too close to Walking St. If you want to stretch you money further, when you get further away from Walking St everything is cheaper including the girl's payment / tip expectations.

AirBNB places which you might consider for USd20/ night.

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1849242?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&pets=0&check_in=2023-01-01&check_out=2023-01-06&source_impression_id=p3_1671750954_IkEdqkMQgYsqaGnz&modal=PHOTO_TOUR_SCROLLABLE

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/590391384621985255?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&pets=0&check_in=2023-01-01&check_out=2023-01-06&source_impression_id=p3_1671750971_r01KNHdFxQ2D6%2BAv&modal=PHOTO_TOUR_SCROLLABLE

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/660723014186236385?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&pets=0&check_in=2023-01-05&check_out=2023-01-10&source_impression_id=p3_1671750974_lzufm00rTnmt9OZL&modal=PHOTO_TOUR_SCROLLABLE

I have stayed at Hotel Rumi a few times. There are other hotels / apartments in around this area. Handy to Perimeter bars. Exceeds your budget expectation also.

https://rumihotelangeles.com/rooms.php

[NapaSlapper]

I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?

BTW, I was in St Petersburg Russia a little while after the wall fell and I got massages with happy endings where I paid $25 for four girls for an hour. Four young beautiful women. I wrote about it on this site so it's somewhere 😆.If you are talking of pesos then its been multiple years since angeles bargirls were 1,500 pesos.

Leading up to covid most bar girls were 3/4000 p short time.

Now days any girl that is younger, slimmer and ok looking will demand 5,000 p short time, that's if you can get any of the want to be princesses to barfine at all as many want to stay in the bar and earn easy and large from salaries, lady drinks, tips, making it rain.

[Dg8787]

Not all girls are going home for the holidays.

Got a message from a girl today asking for transport money to go home to Manila for New Years. I asked her how much just to ask? 10 k she replied! LOL. I had bfined her a couple times for 3. 5 k. Last request was for 5 k.

I guess they can't go home emptied handed. She won't be going home from me.

In the beginning I thought she was asking for bus money!

[Beavis]

The internet has wreaked havoc on the locals. Lots of girls are getting money sent to them on a regular basis. Yes there is still plenty of fun to be had but if a girl can make 2 K from her share of a barfine or go cry to her internet prince and make 1500 without taking her clothes off we all know what her choice will be. Thank Zuckerberg, he has contributed substantially to the demise of mongering. Meet a guy online, make him believe he is the only one she is talking to and hustle him. Every 3rd business has a Western Union. Do the math.

[Beavis]

Trust me I live here, I know several girls that have many online princes and most of them have no desire to change anything in their life, they still hustle and can manipulate their online princes to feel sorry for them and send another present.

[Goferring]

The internet has wreaked havoc on the locals. Lots of girls are getting money sent to them on a regular basis. Yes there is still plenty of fun to be had but if a girl can make 2 K from her share of a barfine or go cry to her internet prince and make 1500 without taking her clothes off we all know what her choice will be..True but many girls also run both systems in parallel, accepting fucking punters in town while also promising faithfulness to online sponsors.

Most of us have had sessions interrupted by calls from sponsors or even had to leave a girl's room in time to receive a nightly video call.

I'd agree that the bars are a failing business model as online offers better returns without the embarrassing labels of being an employed hooker. Over the years I've met several girls where being in a bar no longer made sense and often actually cost them money.

Enjoy. G.

[Dg8787]

I really don't care about the girls BF's or sponsors.

Or what they make or don't make.

Or anything else.

As long as there are girls available is my only concern. True mongering concerns. Availability, quality and cost.

NYE is coming up and I expect to have a very nice time in AC rotating between some nice hot and wet pussies. If anyone can help with my experience please post it.

My apologies for the interruption. Back to:
Inflation is dickdeflation to me.
Sponsors fucked up my gf relationships.

[Goferring]

I really don't care about the girls BF's or sponsors.

Or what they make or don't make.

Or anything else.

As long as there are girls available is my only concern. True mongering concerns. Availability, quality and cost.

NYE is coming up and I expect to have a very nice time in AC rotating between some nice hot and wet pussies. If anyone can help with my experience please post it.

My apologies for the interruption. Back to:
Inflation is dickdeflation to me.
Sponsors fucked up my gf relationships.The comments about online sponsors weren't about jealousy. It was more about their affect on the number and quality of bargirls.

FWIW, I've found the period between Christmas and NY to be the second worst time for girls leaving town to go home. Only Holy Week is worse.

As usual it's the pretty ones who have the spare cash to be able to afford the trip and be away from work.

Will there be girls available? Of course. Will some / many of the prettiest regulars be out of town? Likely.

Enjoy. G.

[Dg8787]

The comments about online sponsors weren't about jealousy. It was more about their affect on the number and quality of bargirls.

FWIW, I've found the period between Christmas and NY to be the second worst time for girls leaving town to go home. Only Holy Week is worse.

As usual it's the pretty ones who have the spare cash to be able to afford the trip and be away from work.

Will there be girls available? Of course. Will some / many of the prettiest regulars be out of town? Likely.

Enjoy. G.With all respect.

In my experiences neither of those have ever affected me in pulling a girl within my standards. If anything there were less mongers scared away by such hearsay resulting in a better ratio for me.

I rely on girls from bars and then the word of mouth referrals from the girls.

I only wish I was back in my 30's when I could do 6-8 girls a day!

To each their own.

[NapaSlapper]

The comments about online sponsors weren't about jealousy. It was more about their affect on the number and quality of bargirls.

FWIW, I've found the period between Christmas and NY to be the second worst time for girls leaving town to go home. Only Holy Week is worse.

As usual it's the pretty ones who have the spare cash to be able to afford the trip and be away from work.

Will there be girls available? Of course. Will some / many of the prettiest regulars be out of town? Likely.

Enjoy. G.Nail on head.

All that you describe about the better looking girls who have the earning power to do so have departed to home province, most girls due back middle of January, this is not a now thing it has been that way for many years.

Obviously those that only need the girl to have a pulse to be fuckable will obviously find bed partners at any time of year.

[NapaSlapper]

Was noticing lately that of the many walking st bars that have either changed hands, having renovations done or change of use into bars are all korean owners / money.

The koreans are for sure the majority of both punters and bar investors, its staggering the speed of change to be honest.

Nothing against the korean owned bars, I find them to be well run, clean, professional, welcoming and employ by far the better girls, yes easy to spend large in these bars and not so easy to get laid as they are designed exactly for that purpose but at least one gets to see the better looking girls angeles has to offer, so no complaints from me.

[Threadbare]

I was in Angeles City a couple months before the pandemic hit. I thought that I remembered the prices being about 1,500 and now I'm reading that the prices are 5,000? Am I wrong about the prices being 1,500? Are the prices really 5,000 in Angeles City?

BTW, I was in St Petersburg Russia a little while after the wall fell and I got massages with happy endings where I paid $25 for four girls for an hour. Four young beautiful women. I wrote about it on this site so it's somewhere 😆.I've been going g to AC for about 10 years and I can't remember bar fine being as low as 1500. Around 2500 to 3000 before the pandemic (I was there Feb 2020). I was there just in November 2022 and they are asking 5000 but at least that's LT. Personally I prefer freelancers, and there are many touting for your custom, girls and non girls, some quite convincing so you have to be careful, but the choice is great and doing 2 or 3 a day I never paid more than 3000. One of those stayed 22 hours and came back for a second overnight. There is a great variety starting around midday, for me it's better choice than bar girls and much better value. I went to one of 3 "bars" in Mt Mayon Ext, near Boomerang hotel, you can get a cheap deal there on or off the premises and when I asked for a younger girl they brought one in for me, a cheap and interesting "low life" experience with girls who can't wait to play with your bits. I always have a visit and at least a couple of beers in one of these, I imagine AC was more like that in years gone by. So don't be put off by the high bar fines, still lots of fun to be had. And yes I do understand the risks with freelancers.

[ShadowJ]

I'm planning to go back to AC at the end of February. For the first time in about 4 years. When I was last there, I noticed the trend that the tiniest spinners (under 20 years old and 40 kg) weren't in the bars, they were on the dating apps. So, I've been thinking of supplementing my bar searches with some dating apps for morning / afternoon girls. I'm already on SA. Which I've used to successfully bang lots of Colombianas through the pandemic. But it doesn't have many AC girls. I'm also trying pinalove. But the app has some real problems with geography and the number of AC girls is miniscule compared to the Cebu or province girls. That leads to my two questions:

1. Is there a preferred app to find more AC girls?

2. Within Pinalove, do the girls in AC list their home as Samar or Leyte instead? If so, I assume I should just press on and see if I can book dates with those girls.

[Goferring]

I'm planning to go back to AC at the end of February. For the first time in about 4 years. When I was last there, I noticed the trend that the tiniest spinners (under 20 years old and 40 kg) weren't in the bars, they were on the dating apps. So, I've been thinking of supplementing my bar searches with some dating apps for morning / afternoon girls. I'm already on SA. Which I've used to successfully bang lots of Colombianas through the pandemic. But it doesn't have many AC girls. I'm also trying pinalove. But the app has some real problems with geography and the number of AC girls is miniscule compared to the Cebu or province girls. That leads to my two questions:

1. Is there a preferred app to find more AC girls?

2. Within Pinalove, do the girls in AC list their home as Samar or Leyte instead? If so, I assume I should just press on and see if I can book dates with those girls.1. In decreasing order of girl quality it's Instagram, Tinder, Filipino Cupid, DIA, PinaLove. If you want to bring tea to China, Seeking has some hot and professional girls but you wil be importing them from Manila.

2. PL can only be searched by province, not city. Angeles is in Pampanga. AC girls mostly list thier location as Pampanga, regardless of where they are originally from. Cupid allows searching by both province, city and distance. Note that a 50 km radius around Angeles includes Subic and these girls are unlikely to travel to AC as they know the level of competition when they do arrive.

Good luck. G.

[NothingElse1]

Was noticing lately that of the many walking st bars that have either changed hands, having renovations done or change of use into bars are all korean owners / money.

The koreans are for sure the majority of both punters and bar investors, its staggering the speed of change to be honest.

Nothing against the korean owned bars, I find them to be well run, clean, professional, welcoming and employ by far the better girls, yes easy to spend large in these bars and not so easy to get laid as they are designed exactly for that purpose but at least one gets to see the better looking girls angeles has to offer, so no complaints from me.Spot on. Thanks to everyone for sharing. I booked a trip in May and cancelled the last minute (went to LOS instead) without any penalties even though my hotel was non-refundable, due to the horrible and decreasing quality I have been reading about. This time, I am scheduled to land next week and I am about to cancel again. $25 cancellation fee. Lack of penalties makes a person less decisive. I am two clicks away from switching to Jakarta. For me to spend 5/6000 USD (2 weeks) only to find myself with oldies or pale girls is too much to spend. All I am hearing about is Korean bars catering to Korean clientele and I get the short end of the stick. I do have a thing for Filipinas but I am not willing to waste money over some average lookers. While Jakarta has a different system than AC, at least you get to bang some 8's and 9's which are almost non-existent in AC. Maybe a few here and there but they end up with the Koreans most of the time. What is making this even less attractive is this madness about 5000 pesos and you are neither guaranteed a great experience nor a full nighter. Sorry AC. So long I will miss you, truly miss you. Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.

[ShadowJ]

1. In decreasing order of girl quality it's Instagram, Tinder, Filipino Cupid, DIA, PinaLove. If you want to bring tea to China, Seeking has some hot and professional girls but you wil be importing them from Manila.
.Great stuff here. Thanks. How do you get started with IG? Do you find a hot chick in AC then go to her followers and see who else they follow?

[Goferring]

Great stuff here. Thanks. How do you get started with IG? Do you find a hot chick in AC then go to her followers and see who else they follow?It takes some work. Start with the something_pinay hashtags then find girls that are in Angeles. Note the PH preference for big buxom girls, not the spinners you mentioned. Also, IG girls are fawned upon by simps who essentially send them money for nothing so expect eye watering prices and an extremely entitled attitude. Very few live permanently in AC so only start when you can act immediately.

You can also search for girls in the popular AC hangouts eg #AquaBeachClub.


Not a market I dabble in but IG model pricing:....

[Dg8787]

I've been going g to AC for about 10 years and I can't remember bar fine being as low as 1500. Around 2500 to 3000 before the pandemic (I was there Feb 2020). I was there just in November 2022 and they are asking 5000 but at least that's LT. Personally I prefer freelancers, and there are many touting for your custom, girls and non girls, some quite convincing so you have to be careful, but the choice is great and doing 2 or 3 a day I never paid more than 3000. One of those stayed 22 hours and came back for a second overnight. There is a great variety starting around midday, for me it's better choice than bar girls and much better value. I went to one of 3 "bars" in Mt Mayon Ext, near Boomerang hotel, you can get a cheap deal there on or off the premises and when I asked for a younger girl they brought one in for me, a cheap and interesting "low life" experience with girls who can't wait to play with your bits. I always have a visit and at least a couple of beers in one of these, I imagine AC was more like that in years gone by. So don't be put off by the high bar fines, still lots of fun to be had. And yes I do understand the risks with freelancers.10 years ago bar fines were around 1200 and US $1 = 42 pesos. $28.50. Most bar fines were for LT with occasional runners.

At the end of 2019 and early 2020 I paid bar fines of 2000 to 2500 and half stayed LT. Exchange rate was 48.

My last visit a few months ago bar fines were 3000-4500 depending on the bars. Most were 3500. Exchange rate was 56.

[Radical Guy]

10 years ago bar fines were around 1200 and US $1 = 42 pesos. $28.50. Most bar fines were for LT with occasional runners.

At the end of 2019 and early 2020 I paid bar fines of 2000 to 2500 and half stayed LT. Exchange rate was 48.

My last visit a few months ago bar fines were 3000-4500 depending on the bars. Most were 3500. Exchange rate was 56.Looks like pussy is a fluctuating commodity, just like pork bellies. LOL.

[GentileBear]

AC. So long I will miss you, truly miss you. Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.Damn you sound just like me! But I don't spend $5,000 USD on trips. Way way way less. But indeed Jakarta blew me away with the Quality of ladies and the food is excellent. Please do post your report because I am dying to hear a new boots on the ground report.

[Dg8787]

Looks like pussy is a fluctuating commodity, just like pork bellies. LOL.Fluctuating warm pussy is better than cold pork bellies. That's where my investment dollar $ are going to.

[Goferring]

Sorry AC. So long I will miss you, truly miss you. Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.While you are 100% correct, AC isn't the only place to get laid in PH. $6000 plus $30/ day would pay for a very nice beach holiday and endless procession of provincial honeys.

[SeaTraveler]

Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.Good luck finding an 8 or 9 in Jakarta for $30 USD.

In 2019, I paid 700,000 ($45) each for 2 skanks from Blok M.

If you have some secret stash of women, please share as I am landing there on March 15.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

[Golfinho]

Can someone there confirm covid vax entry / exit requirements presently. It looks like they want full vax proof of booster shot for domestic flights and to leave Indonesia.

[WestCoast1]

Spot on. Thanks to everyone for sharing. I booked a trip in May and cancelled the last minute (went to LOS instead) without any penalties even though my hotel was non-refundable, due to the horrible and decreasing quality I have been reading about. This time, I am scheduled to land next week and I am about to cancel again. $25 cancellation fee. Lack of penalties makes a person less decisive. I am two clicks away from switching to Jakarta. For me to spend 5/6000 USD (2 weeks) only to find myself with oldies or pale girls is too much to spend. All I am hearing about is Korean bars catering to Korean clientele and I get the short end of the stick. I do have a thing for Filipinas but I am not willing to waste money over some average lookers. While Jakarta has a different system than AC, at least you get to bang some 8's and 9's which are almost non-existent in AC. Maybe a few here and there but they end up with the Koreans most of the time. What is making this even less attractive is this madness about 5000 pesos and you are neither guaranteed a great experience nor a full nighter. Sorry AC. So long I will miss you, truly miss you. Doing an 8 or a 9 in Jakarta for 30 USD plus tip puts AC to shame any day. I will miss my Pinays but they have made it too easy for me to make a switch.Ah, any gents who've visited Indo this year, please tell of your experiences regarding prices. NE says $30 USD, but a stroll thru the last 2 weeks in the Jakarta thread shows higher, typically $50-$125 USD (not that far from AC prices). Also the gents on the Jakarta thread talk about going to Classic / Orchardz (or similar) fishbowls, as opposed to AC's fleshpot system of surrounding you with PYT's. The Jakarta fishbowls are described as not being able to see the girls first (you can see tiktok videos). Me-thinks the comparison is not fair. I miss Top Gun.

However I feel for NE's pain. The post-covid AC system is much as NE describes it. Having visited AC a few months ago, I see little reason to go back. I am surrounded by flesh in Phils wherever I go.


My experience at Orchardz was a bit different. As noted, the entrance is behind the restaurant and you have to use the elevator on the right to go to the third floor. They gave me a wrist band and I went to the lounge. There were at least 10 other guys hanging out. Not sure what they were doing as nobody was drinking. Maybe waiting for a friend to finish?

However, instead of three price ranges, she quoted just one price - 880 k. I said that my friend paid 650 k and she denied it. .


I've paid 2 M for an early 20's local to my hotel. Usually happy to stay from 2 h to overnight as I am usually at a fairly nice hotel. Overall seeking gives a more "amateur" feeling vs Tinder which is almost always an agent with high probability of bait and switch, though can be from 0. 8 to 1 m only.


I got the mamasan to send me all her girls videos to my WhatsApp. One of the girl caught my attention and I ended up booking her. There are three different tiers to the girls. The Gold, The Pink and The Model priced at 450 K, 650 K and 1 Million respectively. The girl that I selected was in the Pink group.Attached pic: Some Indo-honey for ya's.

[Fastpiston]

10 years ago bar fines were around 1200 and US $1 = 42 pesos. $28.50. Most bar fines were for LT with occasional runners.

At the end of 2019 and early 2020 I paid bar fines of 2000 to 2500 and half stayed LT. Exchange rate was 48.

My last visit a few months ago bar fines were 3000-4500 depending on the bars. Most were 3500. Exchange rate was 56.In other words, USD exchange rate has benefitted us by 25%, while costs in AC have gone up by 300%. Add to that other issues such as lower quality and devaluation from LT to ST. I have traveled Asiawide for years and saw the same evolution in Thailand about 15 - 20 years ago. One needs to be flexible and seek out new locations. I have found many, but will not discuss these places as the last thing t want is for others playing Mr. Big and going there throwing money in all directions and ruining the market.

[Goferring]

Good luck finding an 8 or 9 in Jakarta for $30 USD...

Cheers, SEA Traveler.


Ah, any gents who've visited Indo this year, please tell of your experiences regarding prices. NE says $30 USD, but a stroll thru the last 2 weeks in the Jakarta thread shows higher, typically $50-$125 USD (not that far from AC prices)..450 kRps sessions are available all over Kota Jakarta. It's even the standard price at the X houses in tourist-ville Bali. I'd agree calling the girls a 9 is stretching it but it's not difficult to find a petite spinner vs the AC Jollie bellies. The downsides are zero English and pretty seedy facilities. To get the foreigner friendly choices you are heading towards 1 M /$65. A 5 star hotel girl or Seeking will be multiples of this. Blok M was dead years ago.

Enjoy. G.

[Slowalk]

One needs to be flexible and seek out new locations. I have found many, but will not discuss these places as the last thing t want is for others playing Mr. Big and going there throwing money in all directions and ruining …. The experience..Thailand especially was changed by Disneyland tourists.

[Engine Driver]

Ah, any gents who've visited Indo this year, please tell of your experiences regarding prices. NE says $30 USD, but a stroll thru the last 2 weeks in the Jakarta thread shows higher, typically $50-$125 USD (not that far from AC prices). Also the gents on the Jakarta thread talk about going to Classic / Orchardz (or similar) fishbowls, as opposed to AC's fleshpot system of surrounding you with PYT's. The Jakarta fishbowls are described as not being able to see the girls first (you can see tiktok videos). Me-thinks the comparison is not fair. I miss Top Gun.

However I feel for NE's pain. The post-covid AC system is much as NE describes it. Having visited AC a few months ago, I see little reason to go back. I am surrounded by flesh in Phils wherever I go.

Attached pic: Some Indo-honey for ya's.Westie,

Sanur X house brothels are 400 k for ST with a pretty girl. Room is shit.

Dating app girl is about 2 million for overnight stay. Super hot girls will be 4-5 million per night. Plenty of these girls will also be a travel companion for the same daily fee plus expenses.

High class massage parlours with all in service are 1. 2 - 1. 5 million with a pretty girl.

Standard massage with no extras is 100 k at a legit place.

[Asmoth]

Was just there in March and now going back again mid January.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about the prices there, it's still dirt cheap and I think I tucked every night I was there a few times even some and only spent about 2 k including my airbnb.

Don't go and stay at crazy priced joints like ABC and save the money for the working girls and you'll be fine.

[LoveItHere69]

1. In decreasing order of girl quality it's Instagram, Tinder, Filipino Cupid, DIA, PinaLove.I want to spend time in the provinces for several months. I have never done any online hunting. You have a decreasing order of high number of province girls to few?

[Goferring]

I want to spend time in the provinces for several months. I have never done any online hunting. You have a decreasing order of high number of province girls to few?Purely in terms of numbers in the provinces it's FB, Cupid, PinaLove, DIA, Tinder, maybe some IG and Seeking too but they will be a lot of work to find appropriate girls.

[Goferring]

Was just there in March and now going back again mid January.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about the prices there, it's still dirt cheap and I think I tucked every night I was there a few times even some and only spent about 2 k including my airbnb.

Don't go and stay at crazy priced joints like ABC and save the money for the working girls and you'll be fine.It would be great to read a report of your trip to balance the discussion.

[Goferring]

Dating app girl is about 2 million for overnight stay. Super hot girls will be 4-5 million per night. Plenty of these girls will also be a travel companion for the same daily fee plus expenses.

.Correct but only the mentally challenged would be paying these girls and rates for travel companions. Pros vs civilians has been discussed at length on the Indo Board. General consensus is that it's far better value and service to import a civilian into say Bali.

Anyone interested should read the Bali / Jakarta / Indo forums. It's all there. We are getting waay off topic.

[Dg8787]

Was just there in March and now going back again mid January.

I'm not sure why people are complaining about the prices there, it's still dirt cheap and I think I tucked every night I was there a few times even some and only spent about 2 k including my airbnb.

Don't go and stay at crazy priced joints like ABC and save the money for the working girls and you'll be fine.Excellent first report. Contains more info than most posts.

[Dg8787]

In other words, USD exchange rate has benefitted us by 25%, while costs in AC have gone up by 300%. Add to that other issues such as lower quality and devaluation from LT to ST. I have traveled Asiawide for years and saw the same evolution in Thailand about 15 - 20 years ago. One needs to be flexible and seek out new locations. I have found many, but will not discuss these places as the last thing t want is for others playing Mr. Big and going there throwing money in all directions and ruining the market.Simply put AC barfines 10 years ago were $28.50.

2022 barfines are app $62.50.

A little over doubled.

Affordable to some still.

Fodder for cost accountants to search else where.

For me it is about personal value. Is it worth it to me or not? Given my present day circumstances it is.

[NapaSlapper]

Simply put AC barfines 10 years ago were $28.50.

2022 barfines are app $62.50.

A little over doubled.

Affordable to some still.

Fodder for cost accountants to search else where.

For me it is about personal value. Is it worth it to me or not? Given my present day circumstances it is.Lets call apples apples.

Yes 10 years ago it was possible to get a slim young good looking girl long time for 1200 p (28.50 usd).

Today, mostly chubby older plain girls are demanding 5,000 p (90 usd) short time.

Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.

So as I said apples to apples not just throwing numbers out to suit ones agenda.

[Dg8787]

Lets call apples apples.

Yes 10 years ago it was possible to get a slim young good looking girl long time for 1200 p (28.50 usd).

Today, mostly chubby older plain girls are demanding 5,000 p (90 usd) short time.

Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.

So as I said apples to apples not just throwing numbers out to suit ones agenda.I am not paying any chubbies 5 k.

I am getting the same apple quality as I was 10 years ago. Some cases even better performers.

Let's be honest I have different values than your that I am happy with. To be honest I have to divide your input by 3 and subtract by 5 to get to my reality.

[NapaSlapper]

I am not paying any chubbies 5 k.

I am getting the same apple quality as I was 10 years ago. Some cases even better performers.

Let's be honest I have different values than your that I am happy with. To be honest I have to divide your input by 3 and subtract by 5 to get to my reality.As many have said girls quality is in the eye of the beholder, what one might think is good quality and slim might be someone elses would not fuck for free.

I'm glad that you are happy with the 300% increase in girl costs and the now standard of short time as apposed to standard long time of 10 years ago but by the tiny numbers of western punters in angeles city since its opening after covid proves that the majority are not happy at all with the quality of girls the astronomical rise in prices and have voted with their feet to not visit angeles.

A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.

[Engine Driver]

Correct but only the mentally challenged would be paying these girls and rates for travel companions. Pros vs civilians has been discussed at length on the Indo Board. General consensus is that it's far better value and service to import a civilian into say Bali.

Anyone interested should read the Bali / Jakarta / Indo forums. It's all there. We are getting waay off topic.A monger who lives in Bali will be able to find cheaper pussy as he has more time and the chick will know there is repeat business. If he knows a bit of Bahasa Indonesia, he may even be treated as a pseudo local. Mongers who are there on a 1-week vacation need to take those prices as they don't have time to search wide. I've just come back from that region and the prices mentioned are correct. Nothing to do with being mentally deranged. I think the information you're providing is all from pre-Covid and the whole scene has changed.

[Goferring]

A monger who lives in Bali...Answered in the Indonesia / Bali Thread.

[Dg8787]

As many have said girls quality is in the eye of the beholder, what one might think is good quality and slim might be someone elses would not fuck for free.

I'm glad that you are happy with the 300% increase in girl costs and the now standard of short time as apposed to standard long time of 10 years ago but by the tiny numbers of western punters in angeles city since its opening after covid proves that the majority are not happy at all with the quality of girls the astronomical rise in prices and have voted with their feet to not visit angeles.

A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.300% divide by 3 minus 5 = 95%.

$62.50 minus $28.50 = $34.00. $34.00 divided by $28.50 = 119% over 10 years.

[WestCoast1]

A recent short trip to Bangkok and pattaya showed me that the bars were heaving with both punters and girls, maybe taking a short trip yourself will have you also changing your mind about the prices and quality of angeles girls.I'll bite. What are the recent BKK / Patts barfine prices (including tips) for LT? Keep in mind its harder to communicate with the girls there.


Lets also be honest and say that there is not an angeles girl of today that would have been employed by any bar 10 years ago due to size, age, looks.Disagree, NS. IMO the decline in girl quality started before that. 2009-ish, and by 2016 I didn't want to go back. Having been to AC a few months back, I was impressed by the better quality this year than pre-covid. The price increase, no so impressed. However the situation is what it is. I believe that there is enough there for warriors to find some joy, even with the K's skimming the best from the top.

Pic: From the Westy/AC archive. Obviously there is another gal in the room taking that pic. Whether at that time's price, or today's price, would paying today's price be too much to get a pair of happy and nawty pinas in your room for this? Even for just a few hours, and without pics, this might be gold for some gents. A shower together. BJ/sex with #1 while #2 takes pics. Shower with #1 while #2 snaps selfies. Chicharones, tequila and TV for an hour. Another session, roles reversed, sexing #2 while #1 takes pics. Another shower and you take both of them to Tropix or Atlantis to watch the dance show and have another drink. Walk them back to their bar, high on life.

[NapaSlapper]

300% divide by 3 minus 5 = 95%.

$62.50 minus $28.50 = $34.00. $34.00 divided by $28.50 = 119% over 10 years.Seems in your haste to prove a point you have overlooked the clear fact of short time v long time that I and many others have pointed out to you.

Lets look at the facts,10 years ago all girls stayed long time for the 28.5 usd, normally long time was minimum10 hours but many girls stayed much more time.

28.50 usd devide by 10 = 2. 85 usd the girl 10 years ago earnt per hour spent with punter, yes a measly 2. 85 usd an hour.

As many have said most girls in todays angeles demand 90 usd for short time max 1 hour or less if punter finishes quicker.

Yes that's a whopping 90 usd per hour earnt by girl spent with punter, what's worse is that you are happy with this increadible price increase.

In antisipation to your next post in reply I will file any claims made by your good self of all my girls stay long time now in the same bin as your earlier claims of you were able to fuck 8 girls daily in your youth.

[NapaSlapper]

I'll bite. What are the recent BKK / Patts barfine prices (including tips) for LT? Keep in mind its harder to communicate with the girls there.

Disagree, NS. IMO the decline in girl quality started before that. 2009-ish, and by 2016 I didn't want to go back. Having been to AC a few months back, I was impressed by the better quality this year than pre-covid. The price increase, no so impressed. However the situation is what it is. I believe that there is enough there for warriors to find some joy, even with the K's skimming the best from the top.

Pic: From the Westy/AC archive. Obviously there is another gal in the room taking that pic. Whether at that time's price, or today's price, would paying today's price be too much to get a pair of happy and nawty pinas in your room for this? Even for just a few hours, and without pics, this might be gold for some gents. A shower together. BJ/sex with #1 while #2 takes pics. Shower with #1 while #2 snaps selfies. Chicharones, tequila and TV for an hour. Another session, roles reversed, sexing #2 while #1 takes pics. Another shower and you take both of them to Tropix or Atlantis to watch the dance show and have another drink. Walk them back to their bar, high on life.Thanks for your input westie, yes agree the decline in Angeles girl size looks and attitude has been Declining over many years.

As I did not travel to Thailand to monger but on business so did not partake in the flesh.

But in honesty from what I saw walking around near the open bar areas of both pattaya and Bangkok and comparing the girls to angeles then in all honesty the thais win hands down for youth, looks and slim body so pointless to compare prices between the two as such girls do not exist in todays Angeles.

My mention of my recent trip to Bangkok and pattaya is to make aware that while western punters have voted with their feet not to visit Angeles both Thai destination bars were packed with punters, for one destination to be packed and one destination to be empty of punters then that sugests to me those punters are happy with the quality and prices of Thailand and not so much with Angeles.

As a side note I stayed in great hotel near nana at 50 usd per night including buffet breakfast, similar hotels in angeles would have been at least double if not treble like for like.

[NothingElse1]

Damn you sound just like me! But I don't spend $5,000 USD on trips. Way way way less. But indeed Jakarta blew me away with the Quality of ladies and the food is excellent. Please do post your report because I am dying to hear a new boots on the ground report.I cancelled all yesterday. My flight alone to AC was going to be $1350. Wild Orchid at $80 a night x 14 (too poor to afford ABC) was going to be $1120. I like to pamper myself when it comes to food (I like my steaks and Italian places) and I usually have company. I drink quite a bit and add to it the lady drinks and 5000 pesos bull% and next thing you know $6000 was not going to take me very far. The worst is finding yourself with fuglies after you spent so much. I am fine overspending a bit if I spend my vacation with a few hotties.

I am all set for Jakarta now. Flight was half price, 4 star hotels for half the price of ABC with daily breakfast. World class malls to kill some time in and 1000's of steakhouses and restaurants. The brothels and massage spas with literally 1000's of Indo girls. The downside, no English and mostly bam-bam thank you Mam kind of system. I am ok with that because I never get to bang any Pinay lookers like Indo, just because they are hard to find or there are maybe half a dozen in every 100 girls. In Jakarta, You walk into these bordellos and you have 30 - 40 girls and every one of them is finger licking good. 9's and 10's are available if you are willing to spend a little. Problem with AC is even if you are willing to spend, you can't find them or the few that exist are usually with a group of Korean punters.

At 400,000 a pop ($25) - 15600 exchange, that is a bargain I cannot find anywhere else in SEA. Add another 200 K tip and it is still a steal, that's $40 total. Some high end places may charge twice that which I am still ok with considering you are getting models for a short time. Not Soi 6 and for sure not AC can a man do a model for $40-60. There are no models in AC even if I am wiling to pay a premium. I still love my Pinays though.

I will post my detailed report once I land Friday. I will be staying at a bordello for the first week to get everything out of my system, and then move to a nicer hotel in case I end up taking LTs and want some serenity and normal time to myself. I compiled a list which should be more than enough for 2 weeks. The plan is to do a spa every afternoon and in the evening a lady bar with a live band and banging on site. If I do find a gem who I click with, then I have no problem keeping her for 2-3 million a day. I am for sure staying away from the usual hooker places in South Jakarta where the girls are past their expiry dates or who have been hooking for years. (M Block for sure even though it has been dead for a while). Add to it CJs and BATS. Most girls there are in their 30's or have been around the block for several years. The plan is to stick to the old town. My last and only trip was in 2014.

Who knows, I may still end up in AC if things get better, I still have 10,000 pesos from 5 years ago. Enjoy and stay safe.

[ShadowJ]

It seems to me that the ridiculous barfine prices should drive a healthy market for sneak outs and freelancers. Any insight on freelancer pricing? Also, do AC bars still let you get money back if the girl doesn't deliver?

I hate getting chicks who insist on condoms. Have they become more or less prevalent nowadays?


Seems in your haste to prove a point you have overlooked the clear fact of short time v long time that I and many others have pointed out to you.

Lets look at the facts,10 years ago all girls stayed long time for the 28.5 usd, normally long time was minimum10 hours but many girls stayed much more time.

28.50 usd devide by 10 = 2. 85 usd the girl 10 years ago earnt per hour spent with punter, yes a measly 2. 85 usd an hour.

As many have said most girls in todays angeles demand 90 usd for short time max 1 hour or less if punter finishes quicker.

Yes that's a whopping 90 usd per hour earnt by girl spent with punter, what's worse is that you are happy with this increadible price increase.

In antisipation to your next post in reply I will file any claims made by your good self of all my girls stay long time now in the same bin as your earlier claims of you were able to fuck 8 girls daily in your youth.

[Locamotive]

Damn you sound just like me! But I don't spend $5,000 USD on trips. Way way way less. But indeed Jakarta blew me away with the Quality of ladies and the food is excellent. Please do post your report because I am dying to hear a new boots on the ground report.Some of us are not that lucky, you must be much much closer. East coast US tickets to Manila are now $1500 and up and that's buying a few weeks out, unless you choose 40 hours to get there and that aint happening. Figure room 50 bucks a night and that's about standared at AirBnB for something decent. (Grammercy or Jazz example) 50/14 nights 700 bucks. Could you go cheaper sure but I'm not staying in a dump. You are looking at 22 to $2500 bucks just to get there and lay down. Girls and eating gets you past $5000 with no problem and that's being conservative with the partying.

Retiring there is going to be much cheaper, I'm living for that day.

[Goferring]

The downside, no English and mostly bam-bam thank you Mam kind of system. For a pretence of GFE and LT both ID and PH girls are keen to act as a 'tourguide' around town with extra services at the end of the day. Costs are minimal and sources can be online or just striking up a conversation on the streets / in the mall. I'd agree that English can be a struggle at times but that's half the fun if you find the right girl.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

It seems to me that the ridiculous barfine prices should drive a healthy market for sneak outs and freelancers....You have touched upon the elephant in the room: Barfines are hardly the only way to get laid in AC. If punters don't like them, then grab a streetwalker, online girl, mall sales girl, waitress after-work, afternoon sneakout before work etc. Guys have even brought tea to China with a byo from Manila. The optiona are endless.

Enjoy. G.

[NapaSlapper]

It seems to me that the ridiculous barfine prices should drive a healthy market for sneak outs and freelancers. Any insight on freelancer pricing? Also, do AC bars still let you get money back if the girl doesn't deliver?

I hate getting chicks who insist on condoms. Have they become more or less prevalent nowadays?Yes indeed some of the quoted girl prices are indeed ridiculous.

Sneak outs from bars, yes its possible to meet girls in their own time but don't try to get a girls number in the bar unless one wants to face problems with security, best way is to barfine said girl the 1st time from the bar and then get her number back at the hotel before she leaves and see if girl would be willing to meet in her own time maybe on her day off.

Online girls, I am generally not a fan of Angeles online prostitutes, why because of the general low quality and all the mucking around until you get the one in a hundred that actually looks like her online profile photos, or for the girl that one earlier chatted to on cam and made visiting arrangements only for a completely different girl to turn up at the door, usually 5/10 years older and 40/50 kg heavier, all in all too much wasted time for my liking.

Money back for non performers, Yes multiple years ago this was sometimes possible.

But then came along the changes in law and the bar raid years where multiple bars had been raided, multiple bar owners arrested, multiple mama arrested, multiple bars never allowed to open again, why, because they were set up in sting operations with foreigners working for the police handing over marked money in exchange for bar fines, once the marked money had been received by the bar the raiding team moved in.

So now days when one pays the large pesos early work release to a bar it is strictly to allow the girl to leave the bar early, it sure does not mean one is paying to have sex with said girl.

Try to return a girl to the bar for any reason will have the owner or mama firmly advise that prostitution in the Phil's is highly illegal and comes under the human trafficing laws which carries a mandatory jail sentence of 20 years without parole for the bar owner or the punter caught in prostitution activity, therefore the bar will insist they only accepted payment for early work release of the girl and definitely not to have sex with the girl as that would be highly illegal, so no refunds given as that would be admitting to prostitution.

No condom, I'm sure its possible with some girls, probably the type of girls that are not very popular and don't have too much choice, popular girls might have choices so prefer customers that want to fuck only with condom, as I have previously said I am super careful with pros so insist on using condoms.

[Goferring]

But then came along the changes in law and the bar raid years where multiple bars had been raided, multiple bar owners arrested, multiple mama arrested, multiple bars never allowed to open again, why, because they were set up in sting operations with foreigners working for the police handing over marked money in exchange for bar fines, once the marked money had been received by the bar the raiding team moved in.

So now days when one pays the large pesos early work release to a bar it is strictly to allow the girl to leave the bar early, it sure does not mean one is paying to have sex with said girl..It's surprising that this didn't lead to the end of the prepaid pricing in AC and introduce a barfine+girl's fee model like Burgos etc. That would have also seen AC's poor performance complaints disappear over night too.

I remember straight after the raids in Subic that the mamas and barstaff would not even discuss EWRs or fines, saying that that was a private discussion between the guy and the girl. Unfortunately, this lead to immediate price rises as girls decided that they were worth much more than they were previously paid. I'm not sure if the payment discussion is still with the girl or if it's returned to being defined by the bar.

Enjoy. G.

[Pute Nut]

Good to see a realistic post interspersing the tales of non-stop condomless debauchery with AC's "top models" LOL.



No condom, I'm sure its possible with some girls, probably the type of girls that are not very popular and don't have too much choice, popular girls might have choices so prefer customers that want to fuck only with condom, as I have previously said I am super careful with pros so insist on using condoms.I think it's becoming more common that the girl clarifies this point before going out, happens quite often to me. I tend to prefer lower mileage so perhaps my sample is skewed. Hygiene seems also to be stressing condoms in their mandatory lectures. Condom or no condom is a personal choice; you may not catch the big one going sans French letters, but AC can certainly put you out of action with some other nasties.

[D Cups]

I go to AC prolly 3 or four tines a year for quite some time now. It is quite convenient and cheap for me to get there as I live on Negros Island in PI and it is a short flight to Cebu then Clark. I was AC in the 1980's heydeys (with my Uncle Sam) which I recall with great fondness and much more enthusiasm. It is a shadow of what it was then but it is still a desirable mongering destination despite increased costs. The Korean effect, etc.

Look at all the places that have disappeared, fellas. Surabaya's sin city in Indonesia. Curacao's Happy Camp in the Caribbean. EDSA in Manila. The casas in Manila and Cebu. Et cetera. I have been to all of these Classic locations and many more which have vanished like a fart in the wind. So, count your blessings, fellas. You can still get laid here for under a hundred bucks and her pussy is so tight and wet and willing.

The last girl I was with there, from Angel Witch, came three times while I was fucking her. No shit, man. Her face was prolly a 6 but her body is a solid 8. Damage was 4 K. And then she brought three gfs over from Angel Witch and they took turns massaging me, and swimming in Orchid Inn's pool. Then one of her gfs, a 7, starts to blow me quite expertly so I gave her 2 K. Where else in the world does this happen? Please tell me and I will go there.

In AC her tits may be small but if you look hard enough you can find a B cup or C or even D if you are willing to lower your facial and other body standards. I used to have some regulars there but they moved on and have to be replaced by new talent which is readily available. Cheers.

[NapaSlapper]

I go to AC prolly 3 or four tines a year for quite some time now. It is quite convenient and cheap for me to get there as I live on Negros Island in PI and it is a short flight to Cebu then Clark. I was AC in the 1980's heydeys (with my Uncle Sam) which I recall with great fondness and much more enthusiasm. It is a shadow of what it was then but it is still a desirable mongering destination despite increased costs. The Korean effect, etc.

Look at all the places that have disappeared, fellas. Surabaya's sin city in Indonesia. Curacao's Happy Camp in the Caribbean. EDSA in Manila. The casas in Manila and Cebu. Et cetera. I have been to all of these Classic locations and many more which have vanished like a fart in the wind. So, count your blessings, fellas. You can still get laid here for under a hundred bucks and her pussy is so tight and wet and willing.

The last girl I was with there, from Angel Witch, came three times while I was fucking her. No shit, man. Her face was prolly a 6 but her body is a solid 8. Damage was 4 K. And then she brought three gfs over from Angel Witch and they took turns massaging me, and swimming in Orchid Inn's pool. Then one of her gfs, a 7, starts to blow me quite expertly so I gave her 2 K. Where else in the world does this happen? Please tell me and I will go there.

In AC her tits may be small but if you look hard enough you can find a B cup or C or even D if you are willing to lower your facial and other body standards. I used to have some regulars there but they moved on and have to be replaced by new talent which is readily available. Cheers.Glad to hear that you can still find some enjoyment in todays angeles city, I think the secret is to live either in angeles or somewhere near bye in order to keep costs per girl low.

For those that have to fly half way across the globe at great expense might see it differently though, and when all costs factored in flights, hotels, insurances etc those same under 100 usd girls for the close bye guys could work out to be 4-500 usd each for the guys from us, uk, europe once all expenses taken into account.

In truth I would say that by the time one takes out the better looking angeles girls which are mainly drinks only girls, cherrie girls and asian only girls then what's left for the westerner is low quality and even at under 100 usd is extortionate in price.

New years eve this year which is the peak day in peak season saw many western bars with no customers many of these bars also closed down well before midnight so I'm not sure of your claim that angeles is a desired location is in the slightest true for many punters.

You ask where else can guys can get sucked and fucked like in angeles, Well prostitution in Europe is everywhere just like it is in Angeles just at slightly different venues, no need to look far for paid sex in Europe either, online, classified ads, many dating (sex) apps, strip clubs, lap dancing clubs, massage salons, men only clubs, sauna clubs etc.

Let's remember the cost of travel from Europe to Angeles for 7-10 days would be a minimum 4,000-5,000 usd when all expenses factored in, I'm sure with 4,000-5,000 usd one could fuck near models every day for the same 7-10 days duration in Europe.

The Rest of Asia, just like Angeles pros exist in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos at similar if not less cost like for like.

My take is that Angeles is what it is, I find the guys that are complaining the least out of my Angeles friends are those that live there already and are willing to greatly lower their expectations / standards when it comes to available girls.

Now on to prostitutes supposed orgasms, just because a girl is moaning and pulling fuck me harder faces does not mean she is not play acting, in truth she could just as well be thinking what she is going to cook her kids for dinner while she's moaning.

On to tight pinay pussies, never found pinay prostitutes to be tighter or looser than pros of any other nation, considering by the very nature of their profession most of these girls have fucked thousands of guys, have had multiple child births so not sure anything left to be tight about their pussies.

Warm wet pinay pussy, this is where I worry, many pinay pros have pinoy husbands, pinoy boyfriends, pinoy lovers, some girls have all 3 at the same time add on a few paid customers per day and that warm wet feeling pinay pussy might just be a few fluid ounces of newly inserted sperm from multiple doners just before she turned up at ones door and not in fact that she excited to see us.

Anyways each to their own, if some are happy in Angeles then I'm happy for them.

[Docwiltro]

In AC her tits may be small but if you look hard enough you can find a B cup or C or even D if you are willing to lower your facial and other body standards. I used to have some regulars there but they moved on and have to be replaced by new talent which is readily available. Cheers.Here's a Soya girl (Jhoana) who might be the kind of girl you're looking for: 19 yrs old, quite busty, likes to party and is very enthusiastic.

[Dg8787]

Here's a Soya girl (Jhoana) who might be the kind of girl you're looking for: 19 yrs old, quite busty, likes to party and is very enthusiastic.Hey! What about me on my next trip?

[D Cups]

Here's a Soya girl (Jhoana) who might be the kind of girl you're looking for: 19 yrs old, quite busty, likes to party and is very enthusiastic.Thanks. Doc. Trying to send you a PM for details.

[WestCoast1]

Here's a Soya girl (Jhoana) who might be the kind of girl you're looking for: 19 yrs old, quite busty, likes to party and is very enthusiastic.


Hey! What about me on my next trip?Bruh. Got you covered. One of my favoritas.

[SeaTraveler]

For those that have to fly half way across the globe at great expense might see it differently though, and when all costs factored in flights, hotels, insurances etc those same under 100 usd girls for the close bye guys could work out to be 4-500 usd each for the guys from us, uk, europe once all expenses taken into account.

Let's remember the cost of travel from Europe to Angeles for 7-10 days would be a minimum 4,000-5,000 usd when all expenses factored in, I'm sure with 4,000-5,000 usd one could fuck near models every day for the same 7-10 days duration in Europe.
It's the evening dates or overnighters where the true value lies in Southeast Asia. I prefer longer "date-like" encounters over the "wham-bam-thank-you ma'am" of the brothels.

A date with Kimber in Toronto is $5000 for 10 hours. 24 hours with Madison Winter in Toronto is $10,000.

My 3-week trip to Jakarta; Bali, Manila & Angeles with business class plane tickets and 4-5 star hotels is costing around $8,000. Add an overnighter in Jakarta at $300 and I'm still ahead of a that single date with Winter.

Overnighters in the USA run from $3000 to $6000.

And that ya'll is why I save my money and travel.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.

[D Cups]

You ask where else can guys can get sucked and fucked like in angeles, Well prostitution in Europe is everywhere just like it is in Angeles just at slightly different venues, no need to look far for paid sex in Europe either, online, classified ads, many dating (sex) apps, strip clubs, lap dancing clubs, massage salons, men only clubs, sauna clubs etc.

Let's remember the cost of travel from Europe to Angeles for 7-10 days would be a minimum 4,000-5,000 usd when all expenses factored in, I'm sure with 4,000-5,000 usd one could fuck near models every day for the same 7-10 days duration in Europe.

The Rest of Asia, just like Angeles pros exist in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos at similar if not less cost like for like.

Now on to prostitutes supposed orgasms, just because a girl is moaning and pulling fuck me harder faces does not mean she is not play acting, in truth she could just as well be thinking what she is going to cook her kids for dinner while she's moaning.

On to tight pinay pussies, never found pinay prostitutes to be tighter or looser than pros of any other nation, considering by the very nature of their profession most of these girls have fucked thousands of guys, have had multiple child births so not sure anything left to be tight about their pussies..Hello Napa,

What I meant was where do you find a girl who will bring over three girlfriends to massage you and go swimming and then let one of them blow you?

I have been to the FKKs in Europe and they are ok. I have been to the other SEA places you mentioned and more (except Laos) and they are ok but the group thing does not happen.

As for her orgasms she has got to be a prime time porn actress to pull that one off. If she is faking it she is better than 99% of the other 600-some girls I have been with. But at 23 she is fairly new to the game and did not have any kids.

[NapaSlapper]

It's the evening dates or overnighters where the true value lies in Southeast Asia. I prefer longer "date-like" encounters over the "wham-bam-thank-you ma'am" of the brothels.

A date with Kimber in Toronto is $5000 for 10 hours. 24 hours with Madison Winter in Toronto is $10,000.

My 3-week trip to Jakarta; Bali, Manila & Angeles with business class plane tickets and 4-5 star hotels is costing around $8,000. Add an overnighter in Jakarta at $300 and I'm still ahead of a that single date with Winter.

Overnighters in the USA run from $3000 to $6000.

And that ya'll is why I save my money and travel.

Cheers, SEA Traveler.Not sure you can compare the quality of girls like Madison winters to what's available in Asia.

Gone are the days of the better looking girls of Angeles staying long time for cheap, why because the better looking girls are in extremely high demand and charge by the hour, why fuck one guy for 10 hours for 5,000 p when she can fuck 5 guys at 5,000 p per hour = 25,000 p per day.

Yes one can find a freelance old homeless girl in Angeles for long time with cheaper price but who would travel around the world for such.

[NGenTot3]

Hi guys,

How is the holiday going to affect the amount of girls in Angeles City?

I wonder if most of the girls will be going back to their provinces.

Thanks for your inputs.

[Chocha Monger]

Good to see a realistic post interspersing the tales of non-stop condomless debauchery with AC's "top models" LOL.

I think it's becoming more common that the girl clarifies this point before going out, happens quite often to me. I tend to prefer lower mileage so perhaps my sample is skewed. Hygiene seems also to be stressing condoms in their mandatory lectures. Condom or no condom is a personal choice; you may not catch the big one going sans French letters, but AC can certainly put you out of action with some other nasties.Catching something fatal in your cock and succumbing prematurely to the Reaper is an occupational hazard for all mongers not just the bareback gang. A certain percentage of condoms will fail and mongers will be infected. On the other hand, mongers lacking adequate immunity could just as easily expire due to infection from a particularly virulent strain of Covid-19 caught during a night of condom-filled debauchery with an infectious LBFM.

[Lulle]

I've read a lot in this (AC) and the Manila threads, but I'm confused (and lost in discussions that veer to Indonesia and other topics).

On Burgos Street, it the bar fine is now 3500-4000, then you pay as much again to the girl, negotiated up front.

In AC, the bar fine averages 3500. But does she also negotiate 3000-4000 up front, or is such a tip not expected, just 500-1000 for good effort?

[Goferring]

I've read a lot in this (AC) and the Manila threads, but I'm confused (and lost in discussions that veer to Indonesia and other topics).

On Burgos Street, it the bar fine is now 3500-4000, then you pay as much again to the girl, negotiated up front.

In AC, the bar fine averages 3500. But does she also negotiate 3000-4000 up front, or is such a tip not expected, just 500-1000 for good effort?Burgos is 10 drinks for the Barfine, paid directly to the bar before you leave. Depending on where you are that will be 35 to 3900 peso. The girl will also want her payment based on ST / LT, time of night etc. This could be anywhere from 3 to 6000 peso and is typically paid direct to her before she leaves the room. A newbie may be asked for full payment upfront but it's not necessary to do this.

AC barfines include both the bar and girl's fees and is paid in full before leaving the bar. A tip can be added for good service and would typically be in the 00's of pesos.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

Not sure you can compare the quality of girls like Madison winters to what's available in Asia..Why? I'll be honest and say I didn't find her anything special. Certainly not $10 k special. I realise she markets herself as "girl next door" but I've seen many girls in AC and Asia generally who are stunners in comparison. Of course YMMV depending on preferences.

She's certainly not the only one to post a crazy sticker price and wait for idiots to pay it.

Granted, if your measure of "quality" is education, intelligence and conversation, then that's a different discussion and I'd agree with you.

Cheers. G.

[NapaSlapper]

Why? I'll be honest and say I didn't find her anything special. Certainly not $10 k special. I realise she markets herself as "girl next door" but I've seen many girls in AC and Asia generally who are stunners in comparison. Of course YMMV depending on preferences.

She's certainly not the only one to post a crazy sticker price and wait for idiots to pay it.

Granted, if your measure of "quality" is education, intelligence and conversation, then that's a different discussion and I'd agree with you.

Cheers. G.I think what I was trying to say is that you don't see girls of Madison winters quality dancing around chrome poles in Asian gogo bars.

Of course there are Asian professional models that are just as high quality as their western sisters, but the Asian professional models that might also sell their body cost the same 1000's of usd per night as their western sisters.

What I won't accept though is members claiming that professional models are expensive in Toronto Canada or usa so its much better to travel to Asia to fuck much lower quality cheaper bar girls, of course that would in no way be comparing apples to apples.

In honesty I look at most of the Angeles girls available to westerners and would not even buy them a lady drink let alone pay 100 usd to fuck them and I'm already here so no travel expenses.

As a side note I once paid a manila motor show model a very large sum of money for a night back at my hotel, was it money well spent, you bet it was, one of the best faces, body and fucks I have had in the phills.

Morale of the story, quality girls are not found in the bargain basement section.

[Goferring]

I think what I was trying to say is that you don't see girls of Madison winters quality dancing around chrome poles in Asian gogo bars.

What I won't accept though is members claiming that professional models are expensive in Toronto Canada or usa so its much better to travel to Asia to fuck much lower quality cheaper bar girls, of course that would in no way be comparing apples to apples.

Morale of the story, quality girls are not found in the bargain basement section.I'd definitely agree here. Not too many Ms Universe contestants swinging $100 tricks on Walking street.

[Goferring]

As a side note I once paid a manila motor show model a very large sum of money for a night back at my hotel, was it money well spent, you bet it was, one of the best faces, body and fucks I have had in the phills.I've done the same, though my weakness is dancers rather than models. Unfortunately, my run rate is not good as I have definitely scored more entitled princesses than fun good-time girls. However, you are right that when the planets align, then it makes a great evening.

One area that Asia does excel in is unwrapping a jeans and T-shirt 6 to find a bikini model underneath. That's a pleasant surprise that I have had a few times. Many more times than being pleasantly surprised by a looker's performance.

Cheers. G.

[Bernikle]

Will I find places in Angeles, possibly also in Manila or Cebu, which will be at least a little similar to BKK Thermae? To be honest, I don't feel like having drinks, barfines, etc. Thanks in advance for reply.

[WestCoast1]

Will I find places in Angeles, possibly also in Manila or Cebu, which will be at least a little similar to BKK Thermae? To be honest, I don't feel like having drinks, barfines, etc. Thanks in advance for reply.You are looking for a FL bar, like Manila's LA Cafe, Hussy's, or G-Point bars. These places are in Malate city (Manila area). OTOH there are plenty of street walkers to be negotiated with and had in AC.

Gents, is there such a place in AC (besides the disco, where he won't be sure who is and is not a working girl)?

[Dg8787]

Will I find places in Angeles, possibly also in Manila or Cebu, which will be at least a little similar to BKK Thermae? To be honest, I don't feel like having drinks, barfines, etc. Thanks in advance for reply.This is not an international franchise business. Every world wide city has its own supply and delivery system not duplicated elsewhere. AC has an excellent supply and delivery system of bars with drinks and barfines.

Some like it and some dont.

[Goferring]

.. (besides the disco, where he won't be sure who is and is not a working girl)?No need to ask if any 23 yo philippina, talking to her grandpa in a foreigner joint at 3 am, is a working girl or not. 😊.

[WestCoast1]

Will I find places in Angeles, possibly also in Manila or Cebu, which will be at least a little similar to BKK Thermae? To be honest, I don't feel like having drinks, barfines, etc. Thanks in advance for reply.


Many thanks for these links. Has anyone used these websites?

How it's working? Do we meet the girl in her place? Has anyone managed to contact the girl directly? So far I'm talking on "Line" with bots and "admins" of girls. I am also aware that the reality may not match the photos.

Thanks in advance for the hints.


Hi,

Has anyone been to GT in recent days? I would like to go on the weekend, but I wonder if it's worth it. How about the amount of girls?

Thank you in advance for your answer.That's Bernikle's entire post history. Sorry I didn't check it first.

Hey Bern: Do you have any informative, descriptive posts for the gents? Anything other than questions for the group? Thanks in advance.

[Dg8787]

AC is not for everyone.

What really pissed me off is the price has more than doubled over the past few years. Yes, the jeepney used to be 6 pesos and now it it is costs 12 pesos! What a bummer.

Lots of things to complain about AC.

But the friends and family plan still exist.

A week ago I barfined one girl and had a great LT session. Ends up she refers 4 different girls over to me. One of the girls brings over her 2 sisters, one cousin and a neighbor!

All for a 5 kilo bag of onions to each girl.

[Thampi62]

AC is not for everyone.

What really pissed me off is the price has more than doubled over the past few years. Yes, the jeepney used to be 6 pesos and now it it is costs 12 pesos! What a bummer.

Lots of things to complain about AC.

But the friends and family plan still exist.

A week ago I barfined one girl and had a great LT session. Ends up she refers 4 different girls over to me. One of the girls brings over her 2 sisters, one cousin and a neighbor!

All for a 5 kilo bag of onions to each girl.The interesting part of AC is the chain of ladies you can get from one link. I always enjoyed it. I never saw such association of companionships among girls in any country. They always share and care. Precovid time when I pick a friend from a High Society another one will be attached to it. I enjoyed three some in AC lot of time and is much easier to get than in Pattaya with less damage.

[Gorrion]

Hello,

This year I will make my first trip to Angeles City. I have been reading the forum and I have some doubts:

-Currently, how much does short time and long time cost with the girls in the bars? And with the freelancers?

-Is there a club where you can meet freelancers, like the High Society was before?

What time do the bars close on Walking Street?

Any other advice for a newbie like me would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[GreenBud]

All for a 5 kilo bag of onions to each girl.You are very generous to the freelancers. 5 X 600 = 3000 pesos.

I normally would pay 2500 (for short time; several hours; I usually don't do long time). 2500 is good. If you think about it, the barfines are between 3500 - 5000 on Fields. Girl should get half minus 100 or 200 (for mamasan).

I'm not complaining. I invite all to pay as much to the girls as they can. The girls deserve it.

[Dg8787]

You are very generous to the freelancers. 5 X 600 = 3000 pesos.

I normally would pay 2500 (for short time; several hours; I usually don't do long time). 2500 is good. If you think about it, the barfines are between 3500 - 5000 on Fields. Girl should get half minus 100 or 200 (for mamasan).

I'm not complaining. I invite all to pay as much to the girls as they can. The girls deserve it.The last batch was well worth it. 18-19-20 yo young and inexperienced. I checked all the ids. 18 yo will be 19 end of the month. Priceless moments.

[NapaSlapper]

Barhop walking street 1st week of 2023,I had planned on laying off the barhops for a couple of weeks but 3 new business clients had been over in angeles visiting from Korea for a couple of days and asked if I would show them around the nightlife venues, here's what we visited and found.

1st bars were in a row of la bamba bar, lollipop bar, geckos bar, as we walked into la bamba bar the girls on seeing customers walk in they quickly jumped to their feet from sitting on the edge of the stage to start dancing, you could see that they were confused but delighted to see young koreans in their bar as this is normally a western bar, big smiles on their faces and gesturing that they wanted to be called down for drinks, we ordered our drinks and the waitress asked if we wanted company to which one korean replied not now, maybe later, they obviously were not interested on what was on offer but wanted to seem polite.

Lollipop bar and geckos bar were much the same, we had drinks but did not call any of the girls down for drinks as none had caught our eye.

I decided that it was time to head to the korean owned bars of walking st where there was more possibility of my korean guests finding something to their liking.

Ist korean bar was club sky, I know the korean manager here and he had rushed over to greet us and seat us at a good table, we ordered drinks and I had spotted a girl Jocelynn that I knew so I gestured for her to come over, a quick whisper in her ear and we were joined by her and 3 other girls for drinks, big smiles from my guests as they moved in closer for drinking games with the girls.

2nd,3rd bars were Avalon bar and Q bar, much the same as club sky the better looking girls were willing to sit with us, drink with us enjoy the food snacks that we had ordered for us and the girls, we had by now spent some serious money and my korean clients had not chosen bed partners yet, now we are talking young, handsome well dressed guys, they had had plenty of interaction with many girls but were still alone, meeting needed, I had pointed out that some of these girls could be taken home, yes they nodded we know and we have been trying but were told by the girls various excuses not to leave the bar.

To be honest my guests were not in the least bothered, they were happy that they had come over, had completed business transactions, had seen the bars, had drunk many bottles of beer and shots and now their only request was for me to show them to a restaurant that served the best ramen.

Its easy to see why the better looking girls of angeles go crazy when they see koreans, from what I saw the girls were treated with the utmost respect and had filled their bellies on snacks and had earned large in lady drinks all without any one seeing the colour of their panties, what's not to like.

In summing up it seems that some members on this board can get laid by multiple girls long time for the price of a bag of onions yet very high spending young handsome koreans are turned down en masse by the girls, Amazing philippines as they say.

[Bernikle]

That's Bernikle's entire post history. Sorry I didn't check it first.

Hey Bern: Do you have any informative, descriptive posts for the gents? Anything other than questions for the group? Thanks in advance.Hey Westy: Thank you for your response. If someone is as nice as you and also shares similar spots, I will certainly share my opinion after visiting them.

I will only comment on the answer that Thermae does not have a franchise in the Philippines with a smile.

[NapaSlapper]

Hello,

This year I will make my first trip to Angeles City. I have been reading the forum and I have some doubts:

-Currently, how much does short time and long time cost with the girls in the bars? And with the freelancers?

-Is there a club where you can meet freelancers, like the High Society was before?

What time do the bars close on Walking Street?

Any other advice for a newbie like me would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.Lets see if I can help a noobie out.

Short time or long time is not the no1 concern in Angeles bars, working out who the drinks only girls are, the cherrie girls (virgins) are and the Korean only girls are the concern.

Some girls that work in western owned bars are happy to barfine, mostly short time, the quality of girls is very low though, the lower the quality of girl chosen the higher chance of getting long time due to desperation of girl and the limited earning potential of the girl, most girls that will actually barfine in the western owned bars start at 3,500 pesos but some think their worth much more.

There is no exclusive freelance discos now in Angeles, there is hammer club but it tends to cater to hiso locals in groups or Asians with their dates wanting to dance, occasionally a few lone males are in but the pickings in single girls are very slim, and obviously one has to be careful the girl they try to talk to is not there with her pinoy husband / boyfriend.

The better girls work in the Korean bars, all are welcome but if one is a westerner in a Korean bar although ones drinking money is welcome the chance of any attention from the girls is remote, barfines for westerners even more remote, the few girls that will barfine with Asians are all short time girls at 5,000 peso per girl.

Good luck on your visit and pay back to the board with a trip report.

[WestCoast1]

Hey Westy: Thank you for your response. If someone is as nice as you and also shares similar spots, I will certainly share my opinion after visiting them.

I will only comment on the answer that Thermae does not have a franchise in the Philippines with a smile.Be: All of your posts are questions. There isn't a single solid descriptive field report of your experiences. We call that "Taking without Giving". Consider blessing the Thailand forums with one of your Thermae experiences.

[LoveItHere69]

2nd,3rd bars were Avalon bar and Q bar, much the same as club sky the better looking girls were willing to sit with us, drink with us enjoy the food snacks that we had ordered for us and the girls, we had by now spent some serious money and my korean clients had not chosen bed partners yet, now we are talking young, handsome well dressed guys, they had had plenty of interaction with many girls but were still alone, meeting needed, I had pointed out that some of these girls could be taken home, yes they nodded we know and we have been trying but were told by the girls various excuses not to leave the bar.

To be honest my guests were not in the least bothered, they were happy that they had come over, had completed business transactions, had seen the bars, had drunk many bottles of beer and shots and now their only request was for me to show them to a restaurant that served the best ramen.

Its easy to see why the better looking girls of angeles go crazy when they see koreans, from what I saw the girls were treated with the utmost respect and had filled their bellies on snacks and had earned large in lady drinks all without any one seeing the colour of their panties, what's not to like.
Have not been to Phils for 7 years. Had a Korean friend. We bar hopped just the two of us when he visited on 3 different occasions. We scared everyone because everyone at the bars could not figure out why we were together barhopping. They assumed we were working for the police. I could see the writing on the walls back then with him and his buddies (met twice during group barhop) and it has finally happened. The idiot Koreans finally out priced themselves so the girls will not even go out with them. The Koreans feed them, buy them drinks, and rain money on them so they have no reason to leave the bars. Hell, I bet they tip the girls just for sitting and drinking with them. First they screw things up for everyone else and now have done it to themselves. The worst part is they are too stupid to comprehend what they have done. I saw it in my buddy and then compounded it like interest in my head for ten years and the results came sooner rather than later. I retire late this year and AC was my plan back in the day but luckily I knew soon after that would not happen.

"At Club Sky the better looking girls were willing to sit with us" How very sad you sound so appreciative that the girls were willing to join you which says a lot but in a bad way. Most posts talk about so few customers. The girls should be thrilled your group walked in the door. In the past the customer was king but now the girls are.

Sad. I remember sitting at Kokomo's watching the girls walk by 15 years ago. I saw several hotties walk past every time I ate there. Then 7 years ago the walking traffic passing by dropped nearly in half and the hotties walking past plummeted by 80%. I will visit again 2024 just for the memories for 2 weeks. Mostly I will do some outdoor touristy stuff. See what action can be found in the provinces.

[Dg8787]

You are very generous to the freelancers. 5 X 600 = 3000 pesos.

I normally would pay 2500 (for short time; several hours; I usually don't do long time). 2500 is good. If you think about it, the barfines are between 3500 - 5000 on Fields. Girl should get half minus 100 or 200 (for mamasan).

I'm not complaining. I invite all to pay as much to the girls as they can. The girls deserve it.BTW, I was using the spot market price of P700 per kilo. Which is equal to a barfine price. I have found for myself it is better to let them make some extra money. It works for me.

[Rexy1234]

Have been trawling the bars for 3 nights (and some day time). I arrived early first day and so went to a perimeter bar, Touch of Class / Emotions, which opens at midday and closes at 9 pm. Girls ok overall but friendly place. Luckily I saw one super bored looking but very, for me, attractive lady on stage. I relaxed and just took in the scenery and noticed she started interacting with other dancers, waitresses etc and looked friendly and charming. I invited her down from stage and she explained she was looking bored because " no drinks ". Haha. Of Course!! So we got on splendidly and she was warm and cuddly and soon had her legs and arms wrapped around me as we chatted and she slowly consumed her first drink of the day. Bar fine, short time / long time, was 2,500 pesos. She was 25, slim, pretty and so nice to be in bed with. Happy day!! After a break I went bar hopping and found cute enough girls to buy drinks for etc. Next day I went around 7 pm to Club Asia, a Korean owned bar. It's a fun place for overall set up and atmosphere with some very nice looking women. Definitely one of the best larger places in my opinion. One girl on stage had a non-stop blank to serious expression on her face but she was very attractive so I decided to buy one drink and see if she would interact and be warm and chatty. She turned out to be great great company and warm and cuddly. Yum!! I went out, bar hopped a lot and went to sleep about midnight. But she'd given me her contact and so at 3 am I got a call, woke up and spent the night with an adorable woman. She left about 9. 30 am and I gave her 2,000 pesos. Bar fine there is 4,000 or 4,500. I have noticed some girls look at Korean guys and give me a polite smile before looking at Korean guys etc. But I had great luck in Korean owned Club Asia and in a perimeter bar with pool table and older western guys.

[GreenBud]

-Currently, how much does short time and long time cost with the girls in the bars?On Walking Street, the barfines are between 3500 - 5000. In theory, that is longtime, but many girls don't want to do longtime. You need to ask. Some bars have 2 types of barfines, short time and longtime. At XS for example, the short time is 4000, and longtime is 5000. Not sure if that longtime barfine guarantees a longtime experience. Barfines on Perimeter Road will be slightly cheaper.

These days, the girls expect a tip. It's not mandatory though. It seems over half the guys tip. Some guys don't tip; then the girl will label you as cheap. These type of questions might be difficult to get a true answer. But you need to put everything together. Average tip for a cute girl in demand might be 500.


And with the freelancers?I guess you're asking what is the bottom price. Not sure. You need to read previous posts from people who mainly do freelancers. Of course, prices will vary.


-Is there a club where you can meet freelancers, like the High Society was before?There are 3 nightclubs. There is 2 next to Envy. One upstairs, and one downstairs. It's not really like High Society. In one bar, they put tables on the dance floor, so it's more like a "table" club. There's some single girls. Not as much as the old High Society. There's also Sky Trax, further up the road.

There's also freelancers on Walking Street. They offer "massages". More ladyboys now than before, especially late at night. They used to only hang out in front of Phillies, but they expanded.

There's also internet sites.


What time do the bars close on Walking Street?Many bars close at 2 am. Some bars close at 3 am. Carousel closes at 4 am. Not sure if that bar next to Kokomos is still 24 hours.


Any other advice for a newbie like me would be appreciated.You need to ask the girls all the questions before you buy them a ladydrink (if you want to save money) or barfine (to avoid conflicts).

I wasn't impressed by the quality of the girls in the Korean bars between Amsterdam and Atlantic. But those Korean bars open early during the day. Maybe all the cute ones were barfined when they opened. That guy probably has never been there. In the Korean style bars, the girls wear dresses. They usually have Korean managers. Most of them open early. Most of them are moms. You're an idiot of you entertain Korean businessmen, and you don't take them to Dragon Bar. They probably has the best quality for a Korean bar. 4000 barfine plus mandatory ladydrink. But you need to get there early, at 5 or 6 when they open. Many girls there. Many will only accept East Asians there. If you get there at 11 pm, the stage is virtually empty. But there are numerous decent girls on their phones, not dancing. Those girls came back from their "short time" barfine.

The best quality I've seen is at XS. Atlantis went downhill. Avalon and XS are not Korean owned. Some of the taped supermodels are good. But most of them have sponsors / boyfriends. You need to ask if you want to barfine. Avalon and XS are owned by the same group. There was one, very cute taped supermodel at Avalon.

Many of the cute girls I talk to, including in the Western owned bars, will not go out with you if you are Black or Indian. I ask why. They always say because Black guys have big dicks. Then I ask, if they show you their small dicks, will you barfine. They always say no.

The cute girls have more options since they are barfined everyday. Some of them will say no to long time. Some of them even will say no to BJs.

Barfine the waitresses for horny, desperate girls. They hardly ever get barfined. Most of them are moms.

Most girls on stage with dresses will be moms.

If you play poker, there's Wild Aces. I heard there's one at the Hyatt inside Clark. The other 2 that were around closed since the Pandemic.

Things might / should change with the pandemic ending.

[Goferring]

Many bars close at 2 am. Some bars close at 3 am. Carousel closes at 4 am. Not sure if that bar next to Kokomos is still 24 hours.

.So where is the goto place for the girls after work? It was HiSo. It's a bit late for Aqua. Are they now using Mega as a last drinks option?

[GreenBud]

So where is the goto place for the girls after work? It was HiSo. It's a bit late for Aqua. Are they now using Mega as a last drinks option?I forgot about Aqua; never been there.

Not sure if there is any "goto" place for the girls after work. Around 3 am, some girls are at Mega and Hammer (the 2 clubs next to Envy). Mega and Hammer are fairly large. Hi Society wasn't that large. The last time I was there on a Saturday in October, it was fairly packed.

Right now, girls are still coming back from the holidays. Funny story; in Insomnia, the owner threatened to fire the girls if they left for the holidays. Many left anyways. Last week, there weren't that many girls working. It kind of proves the girls are more important than the bar. Of course, he will / has to hire the girls back. Right now, he must be desperate to get some girls to work.

[Dg8787]

I forgot about Aqua; never been there.

Not sure if there is any "goto" place for the girls after work. Around 3 am, some girls are at Mega and Hammer (the 2 clubs next to Envy). Mega and Hammer are fairly large. Hi Society wasn't that large. The last time I was there on a Saturday in October, it was fairly packed.

Right now, girls are still coming back from the holidays. Funny story; in Insomnia, the owner threatened to fire the girls if they left for the holidays. Many left anyways. Last week, there weren't that many girls working. It kind of proves the girls are more important than the bar. Of course, he will / has to hire the girls back. Right now, he must be desperate to get some girls to work.On Wednesdays Aqua has Ladies day / night which ladies get free P290 consumables and entry. I haven't been up there on Wednesdays to see who is there. However I have had dinner at Vintage Hall and watched quite a few lookers walking by going to Aqua. I have no idea if they are FL or not.

[TravelingMan3]

Damn you guys make AC sound horrible haven't been since 2016 but I like it sure there were a bunch of chicks with beer bellies but Dollhouse at the time had a pretty good group of chicks. I read the report about girls not wanting to go with black guys as a black dude that's a problem but that happened a little bit in 2016 sounds like its worse now. I live in Pattaya so I'm not pressed for company but if I choose to visit ID like to find something of quality. I'm looking at making a trip in April my visa will expire one week before Songkran so I have two weeks to kill I'm going to Cambodia for one and I thought about coming to AC. I'm also considering Jakarta so I got to pick one.

[Gorrion]

Thank you very much for all the information. It is greatly appreciated and of course I will post my report when I am there (although there are still a few months to wait).


Lets see if I can help a noobie out....

On Walking Street, the barfines are between 3500 - 5000....

[Goferring]

On Wednesdays Aqua has Ladies day / night which ladies get free P290 consumables and entry. I haven't been up there on Wednesdays to see who is there. However I have had dinner at Vintage Hall and watched quite a few lookers walking by going to Aqua. I have no idea if they are FL or not.Its a favourite with the IG set. Lots of lookers seeking photo ops.

I'm guessing that they aren't there to measure for new floor tiles, so many should be available. Expect killers bodies, maybe even some bolt on surgeries, but eye watering prices and entitled attitudes. Simps and Sugar Daddies form a queue. 😊.

[Pute Nut]

Damn you guys make AC sound horrible haven't been since 2016 but I like it sure there were a bunch of chicks with beer bellies but Dollhouse at the time had a pretty good group of chicks.It's of course in the eye of the beerholder, fun can still be had if YOU work hard and pretend, mediocre girls barfined att high cost, with varying results. But I think the most negative factor is navigating these new "rules" like drinks only, barhop only, Koreans only blah blah. Used to be like you just asked mama to point out the cherries, now it's like in SFZ where you get a laundry list of cockblocking rules.

I'm almost exclusively using regulars and alternate hunting grounds these days. Not much fun in watching Koreans do money rain LOL.

[Goferring]

It's of course in the eye of the beerholder, fun can still be had if YOU work hard and pretend, mediocre girls barfined att high cost, with varying results. But I think the most negative factor is navigating these new "rules" like drinks only, barhop only, Koreans only blah blah. Used to be like you just asked mama to point out the cherries, now it's like in SFZ where you get a laundry list of cockblocking rules.

I'm almost exclusively using regulars and alternate hunting grounds these days. Not much fun in watching Koreans do money rain LOL.I'm still lost why some guys think that GoGo barfines are the only way to get laid in AC.

Yes, it's a complete shithole as a city but there is pussy literally everywhere. You're correct in that some go and have a great time while others can't see the wood for the trees and hate it.

[LoveItHere69]

I'm still lost why some guys think that GoGo barfines are the only way to get laid in AC.

Yes, it's a complete shithole as a city but there is pussy literally everywhere. You're correct in that some go and have a great time while others can't see the wood for the trees and hate it.I am a majority street guy but that is diminishing everywhere so I need to transition to online. I had 70% street to 30% bar girl split. But even back then the questions became such an ass ache.

You cherry?

You on menstruation?

You bar fine to have sex?

Is your mother or baby sick so that you have to leave early?

I think you are missing the point. Main point is your point of view is as a local living there versus most guys are 2-3 week tourists who do not want to waste time hunting with the possibility of finding little or finding low quality. Fields is a one street paradise surrounded by crap. Since the number of bars had been cut in half in the last 20 years and the amount of bar girl power and thus BS has doubled. Why stay there? The number of bars keeps shrinking and the princesses keep increasing. There are other places to go that are far nicer with just as many girls. Problem is that tourists do not have the time to tap these hidden markets and build them up to be sustainable for future visits. Think about it. Many tourists are traveling half way around the world. So many of these bar girls will not have sex with you. Many bar girls will not even drink with you. I was turned down for a drink at Camelot 7 years ago. No idea why. It was a bit embarrassing because there were lots of girls and only 3 small tables of customers (5 guys total). I could not ask another girl because she would feel like runner up or second choice which would embarrass her. From what I have been reading it is worse now. I remember the number of hot girls in the mega bars 11 years ago and then the lack of them just 7 years ago. Hope to visit later this year and report my before and after findings.

[NapaSlapper]

I'm still lost why some guys think that GoGo barfines are the only way to get laid in AC.

Yes, it's a complete shithole as a city but there is pussy literally everywhere. You're correct in that some go and have a great time while others can't see the wood for the trees and hate it.I think you will find that many guys want to use the gogo bars because they are short on time, a guy that is in town for a few days or a couple of weeks does not want to lose possible fucking time by trawling online only to be either let down when it comes to actually meeting the girls or the usual trick of bait and switch by the girls in which photoshopped photos are used or photos from 10 years ago used by the girls, even talking to the girls on cam before meeting does not always work out because often another girl turns up instead.

That leaves street walkers, referrals and girls that have normal jobs.

Street walkers, as has been said by many, yes years ago there were many freelance streetwalkers, now the majority are men in dresses, the few that are actually girls are not very attractive, young or slim and still charge large amounts mostly by the hour.

Referrals, yes some claim I barfine 1 bar girl and then she referred her friends and sisters to me, well the problem with that is that if the referrals were of any quality they would be drink only girls earning the big money by staying in the bar.

That leaves non pros or girls that have a job like sales girls, bank Clarks etc, again we come back to time, such girls are normally not interested in dating foreigners especially ones old enough to be her grandfather, if one is young, good looking, well dressed, drives a nice car and owns his own apartment and has all the time in the world to start the dating ritual then maybe a small chance of some pussy after a few months of courting, lets not forget that there are many young rich Koreans / Japanese living in Angeles who are all trying their luck with the sales girls, bank clerks, etc.

The reason why many westerners including many friends who were once regular visitors have turned their back on Angeles city is that it is just not easy to get laid by anything except the lowest type of girls at great expense, they have though moved on to other Asian areas where one does not have to put up with drinks only girls, virgins or girls that will only fuck certain nationalities, where the streetwalking freelancers are in their thousands and are good quality at the same price or cheaper than Angeles.

[Rexy1234]

Just to add a couple of things to my previous report: Club Asia is now called Dragon Bar. I think this bar well reported here. There are stacks of girls, day shift and night shift. The stage and seating set up I think is the best of the larger bars so the atmosphere is good. Not certain about dayshift girls but I met a dayshift girl just finishing when I turned up at 5.45 pm and she was very attractive. Also to add to my previous report the nightshift girl I met after her work finished gave me her contact details as she was already on a firm promise for the night from a repeat customer and had a day off coming up next day etc etc. I am not at all sure if girls just give out contact details to anyone that buys them a drink. I am sure they would get in trouble with management. That night it turned out the customer she had or supposedly had kept messaging her delaying his arrival and he finally turned up around 2. 30 am to apologize, pay her barfine (wow, nice guy), and say he was busy with another girl. Hence her very late call to me and my 3.15 am liaison with her.

I enjoyed Geckos a lot as was a smaller bar, great music (for me. Classic rock and roll) , really fun line up of attractive girls and a scrumptious newbie for me to pounce on, barfine and take to nearby Kokomos for a 3 hour upstairs room for 500 pesos. Bar fine was 4,000, ladies drinks 300.

Gazing out on the street at Kokomos. Also a restaurant as most know: a very cute, very nubile, but scarily young looking 18 year old popped up to sit with me after she caught my eye walking past as all the girls and nearly but not quite girls do on walking street. We have each other's facebook messenger and a she is quoting prices a lot cheaper than paying ladies drinks and bar fines in the walking street or even perimeter bars. Hmmm!! We'll see but so far hands full and time taken with nice ladies I have met from the gogo bars.

[Dg8787]

Have been trawling the bars for 3 nights (and some day time). I arrived early first day and so went to a perimeter bar, Touch of Class / Emotions, which opens at midday and closes at 9 pm. Girls ok overall but friendly place. Luckily I saw one super bored looking but very, for me, attractive lady on stage. I relaxed and just took in the scenery and noticed she started interacting with other dancers, waitresses etc and looked friendly and charming. I invited her down from stage and she explained she was looking bored because " no drinks ". Haha. Of Course!! So we got on splendidly and she was warm and cuddly and soon had her legs and arms wrapped around me as we chatted and she slowly consumed her first drink of the day. Bar fine, short time / long time, was 2,500 pesos. She was 25, slim, pretty and so nice to be in bed with. Happy day!! After a break I went bar hopping and found cute enough girls to buy drinks for etc. Next day I went around 7 pm to Club Asia, a Korean owned bar. It's a fun place for overall set up and atmosphere with some very nice looking women. Definitely one of the best larger places in my opinion. One girl on stage had a non-stop blank to serious expression on her face but she was very attractive so I decided to buy one drink and see if she would interact and be warm and chatty. She turned out to be great great company and warm and cuddly. Yum!! I went out, bar hopped a lot and went to sleep about midnight. But she'd given me her contact and so at 3 am I got a call, woke up and spent the night with an adorable woman. She left about 9. 30 am and I gave her 2,000 pesos. Bar fine there is 4,000 or 4,500. I have noticed some girls look at Korean guys and give me a polite smile before looking at Korean guys etc. But I had great luck in Korean owned Club Asia and in a perimeter bar with pool table and older western guys.Nothing like a first hand with actual getting laid experience report. Thank you sir.

[JordCo]

That leaves non pros or girls that have a job like sales girls, bank Clarks etc, again we come back to time, such girls are normally not interested in dating foreigners especially ones old enough to be her grandfather, if one is young, good looking, well dressed, drives a nice car and owns his own apartment and has all the time in the world to start the dating ritual then maybe a small chance of some pussy after a few months of courting, lets not forget that there are many young rich Koreans / Japanese living in Angeles who are all trying their luck with the sales girls, bank clerks, etc.Come on you have to be exaggerating / trolling here haha! A young good looking Westerner will not take months to score decent pussy. I've been here 1 month. 32, good shape, average looking. And non pros aged 18-25 on dating sites rated 6 - 7.5 are in abundance. It takes 1-2 weeks max to get them in bed a lot of the time less. No money exchanged. I only pay expenses. The Asian preference is strongly in the pro market because they don't bargain and are generally an easier nights work, also with some pressure from Korean owners etc. The non pro market your competition is local Filipinos. If you're young here and you can't pull for months there is something seriously wrong with you. Majority of Koreans / Japanese can't even communicate without translators, that's why they are heavily P4 P and interesting in short time. So in public you're not competing with many 'rich young Koreans' very often. Actually I see a lot of Koreans but they're usually tourists after the same short time previously mentioned.

Young, white, money still easily gets 7's and some 8's anywhere in Philippines including Angeles City.

I've looked back on some of your posts and while this is my first post all I can assume is you're either trolling or trying to put people off coming here. If it's genuinely your experience then my apologies but it won't be as you say for everyone. I accept what you say about the bars but they are crap anyway. But decent average Westerners will still find something in them.

[Goferring]

Nothing like a first hand with actual getting laid experience report. Thank you sir.+1. He's off to a great start. I hope Rexy continues to enjoy his stay.

[Dg8787]

+1. He's off to a great start. I hope Rexy continues to enjoy his stay.I am sure he will continue to enjoy his stay. Looks like the newbie doesn't know any better!

It reminds me of when I started my business years ago. The best advice I got was not to listen to any negative nellies shitheads old timers. Most said the old days were gone and the prices are too high. Also to never listen to the local boys. They live in yesterdays.

Glad I paid attention.

[NapaSlapper]

Come on you have to be exaggerating / trolling here haha! A young good looking Westerner will not take months to score decent pussy. I've been here 1 month. 32, good shape, average looking. And non pros aged 18-25 on dating sites rated 6 - 7.5 are in abundance. It takes 1-2 weeks max to get them in bed a lot of the time less. No money exchanged. I only pay expenses. The Asian preference is strongly in the pro market because they don't bargain and are generally an easier nights work, also with some pressure from Korean owners etc. The non pro market your competition is local Filipinos. If you're young here and you can't pull for months there is something seriously wrong with you. Majority of Koreans / Japanese can't even communicate without translators, that's why they are heavily P4 P and interesting in short time. So in public you're not competing with many 'rich young Koreans' very often. Actually I see a lot of Koreans but they're usually tourists after the same short time previously mentioned.

Young, white, money still easily gets 7's and some 8's anywhere in Philippines including Angeles City.

I've looked back on some of your posts and while this is my first post all I can assume is you're either trolling or trying to put people off coming here. If it's genuinely your experience then my apologies but it won't be as you say for everyone. I accept what you say about the bars but they are crap anyway. But decent average Westerners will still find something in them.As many have said, quality girls is in the eye of the beholder, ones 7,8,9's might be someone else's would not fuck for free.

I own an Angeles company that employs over 100 pinays, all that are married are married to pinoys, all that are dating are dating pinoys, not one single girl is married or dating a foreigner, my own live in girlfriend (non bargirl) took 6 months to get a date with and many months of courting to get in her panties.

Those girls on dating sites are normally ex prostitutes who all of a sudden became good girls so yes those type of girls are easy and quick to fuck.

Normal educated pinays are not on dating sites looking to fuck foreigners, they are married or dating pinoys, sorry to burst your bubble.

[WestCoast1]

While I often disagree with NS, parts of his viewpoint are correct.


Young, white, money still easily gets 7's and some 8's anywhere in Philippines including Angeles City.The average gent on this board is not young, white, and monied (combined). He is only one (or two) of those three things.


Come on you have to be exaggerating / trolling here haha! A young good looking Westerner will not take months to score decent pussy. I've been here 1 month. 32, good shape, average looking. And non pros aged 18-25 on dating sites rated 6 - 7.5 are in abundance. NS is not referring to young + good looking gents. He is referring to wheezer / geezers such as myself.


It takes 1-2 weeks max to get them in bed a lot of the time less. No money exchanged. I only pay expenses. Agree with the first part of this sentence, it takes time to get regular girls in bed. Longer for an older fella. Which is making NS' point, that the gents on this board don't have that kind of time. They are in town for 1-2 weeks, they are looking for point-and-shoot girls. Girls willing to sex with a 60 or 70 year old gent the moment she meets him. Regular girls you described, 18-25 years old from dating sites, are not so inclined. Girls who *are* inclined will want money.

[NapaSlapper]

While I often disagree with NS, parts of his viewpoint are correct.

The average gent on this board is not young, white, and monied (combined). He is only one (or two) of those three things.

NS is not referring to young + good looking gents. He is referring to wheezer / geezers such as myself.

Agree with the first part of this sentence, it takes time to get regular girls in bed. Longer for an older fella. Which is making NS' point, that the gents on this board don't have that kind of time. They are in town for 1-2 weeks, they are looking for point-and-shoot girls. Girls willing to sex with a 60 or 70 year old gent the moment she meets him. Regular girls you described, 18-25 years old from dating sites, are not so inclined. Girls who *are* inclined will want money.Westy, while we often have slight differences of opinion, you have always been the voice of reason and dignified in your responses, shame we don't have more westy, s on this board.

But in all honesty nothing would make me more happy than to report that all Angeles visitors are getting laid by super models at bargain prices and if this should start to happen then ill be the 1st to report of such with great delight, I too am stuck in Angeles, I too am a monger that wants high quality girls that are mostly all willing to barfine at lower prices but in being fair to the board and other would be visitors I feel I have to report honestly what I see and experience as do other members who are saying the same as myself.

Looking forward to many more future debates with your good self.

[Pute Nut]

Glad I paid attention.And if you pay attention now, we're merely saying the "Walking Street" part has gone downhill (Perimiter is more or less in total shambles). PH is still overflowing with excellent, easily available pussy. Even now with BPO industry established even in smaller cities (I have BPO regulars who take time off for some hands on CS).

The name Walking Street is pretty new by the way. Used to be just Fields. How original to rename this poor excuse of a RLD after the shagging capital Patts.

[Dg8787]

And if you pay attention now, we're merely saying the "Walking Street" part has gone downhill (Perimiter is more or less in total shambles). PH is still overflowing with excellent, easily available pussy. Even now with BPO industry established even in smaller cities (I have BPO regulars who take time off for some hands on CS).

The name Walking Street is pretty new by the way. Used to be just Fields. How original to rename this poor excuse of a RLD after the shagging capital Patts.I have paid attention. Other peoples reality's doesn't have to be my reality. My reality doesn't have to be other's reality.

I just have a HARD time believing it while the old timers are telling me there is no more young tight pussy around while I am having my small dick in some sweet young tight thing.

Then again there are still some flat earthers.

[WestCoast1]

I have paid attention. Other peoples reality's doesn't have to be my reality. My reality doesn't have to be other's reality.

I just have a HARD time believing it while the old timers are telling me there is no more young tight pussy around while I am having my small dick in some sweet young tight thing.This is spot on. There are multiple differing realities both between the groups of gents on this board (ie, between expats who stay for long periods and the tourists), and also within the various groups. Here is one difference that we have touched on before.

The same girl will perform the same way (number of hours spent with a gent, number of pops, quality of GFE, etc):

1) For wildly different amounts of money with different groups of guys. Her price for a 2-week warrior might be 2500 for a ST, while she has 2 different weekly regular sessions with wheezer / geezer expats for 1000 each. The reason she does this is not important. There are fellas out there the do not believe this (they have told me so). "It doesn't make sense Westy. Why would she do the same work for a lower price with different customers!" Really it doesn't make any difference the reason 'WHY'. The gent is thinking in academic terms (logic), which, when applied to women, doesn't always hold.

2) For wildly different amounts of money with the same guy in any group. She was with a 2-week warrior yesterday for 2500. She has an emergency today (mother's electric was disconnected) and contacts the warrior, who says he is busy today. She contacts the wheezer, who is also busy. Fraught, she offers the warrior to take 1500 today, and he accepts. To you and me, that's only 1000, which is not large. But its not small to her, that's a 40% reduction. Its also a precedent-mistake on her part: She will know that to the warrior she is now worth less in the future.

3) The simple act of getting to know her over longer periods of time also shows her more acceptable prize (in her mind), as her rate of emergencies lowers her price.

There seems to be a different reality for many of us, and for each girl. DG's reality is that he is happy with what he has found and his price structure. You are not happy with yours? Is that the fault of Walking Street? Koreans? Fat Filipinas? Covid? Or you?


Then again there are still some flat earthers.Speaking of, and for fun on the flat earth topic, try this. An airline pilot offers to fly anyone from Buenos Aires (Argentina), in the southern part of South America, across Antarctica, to Perth (Australia). It would be roughly a 16-hour flight. Flat earthers maps shows BA and Perth on far ends of the flat map, a flight that would last 30+ hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaRxOesKIyg

[GreenBud]

But even back then the questions became such an ass ache.

You cherry?

You on menstruation?

You bar fine to have sex?

Is your mother or baby sick so that you have to leave early?Depending on what you want, you ALWAYS have to ask questions, in this country and others.

Other questions that need to be asked is:

- Do you BJ? Without condom?

- Do you BBBJ more than 3 minutes?

- Do you CIM? Or facial?

- For those who are kinky: do you RIM? Lesbian show?

- For threesomes, do I have to change condoms? Are you going to hide in the bathroom?


Not much fun in watching Koreans do money rain LOL.I think it's funny watching the girls go crazy when people make it rain. More fun than when the girls just lazily stand there pretending to dance. It's mostly Koreans that do it, but non-Koreans also do it.

If you look at the wall to see who rings the bell, it's mostly non-Korean names. I think ringing the bell is lame. I think there's more "value" in making it rain rather than ringing the bell. I would want to make it rain, I think it would be fun, but I would rather keep my US $100 for other activities.

[Pute Nut]

There are multiple differing realities both between the groups of gents on this board (ie, between expats who stay for long periods and the tourists), and also within the various groups.Of course, in a broader sense you can create your own reality in PH. That's why it's more fun here. I just don't see the point in creating in on Fields, paying 5 K for 1 K pussy plus LDs. If some guys percieve Fields as user friendly and / or good value, more power to them. Of course it still plays a role attracting product to the total AC pussy market. So keep on doing those 5 K BFs, please.

[Pute Nut]

I think it's funny watching the girls go crazy when people make it rain. More fun than when the girls just lazily stand there pretending to dance. It's mostly Koreans that do it, but non-Koreans also do it.If you look at the wall to see who rings the bell, it's mostly non-Korean names. I'm happy that you appreciate the entertainment currently offered in AC bars!

As for the names on the walls, my own name is in fact still on one of them, and it's definately a non-korean name. Good observation!

You may also want to check out the dates / years of the bellrings.

[Rexy1234]

Took a lovely upstairs to the roof of the ABC. I had to spend 500 pesos minimum and all women enter for no extra spend. I give it the thumbs up. Nice place. The Filipina dish we ordered was great (a chicken soup) and, as I had had a big breakfast was enough for the two of us. My lady friend had a coke, I had one beer and two cocktails. Brought our own water but they have cups of water dotted about etc. They provide towels and cute white gowns. I say cute white because all the Filipina ladies looked great in them. I put one on for about 5 seconds but felt more comfortable just with a towel. But if a breeze picks up they are there!! One thing: we got there early and left by about 2.45 pm. The sun was starting to dip to the west and probably makes for a spectacular sunset plus the 30 or so maximum people there might increase in a good way with louder music (DJ style I guess) etc. Our food and 4 drinks came yo about 1,230 pesos and I tipped 60 pesos. Fun for 3 hours, can be all day, a few couple like us, a larger group og guys and girls, a group of about 8 guys drinking beer and having fun, not a huge area to swim in but very well laid out and you can sit in the water, eat drink, swim etc. I did a couple of "laps" all around the side of the perimeter going under walkways, taking in the view. Good fun!! Only bummer was I took loads of picture of my lovely at her request; close ups, long shots, very artistic, some of my best work. I gave her my phone so she could send loads of them to her phone and she deleted all but two. So, I got to get tougher on these local girls.

[Goferring]

Depending on what you want, you ALWAYS have to ask questions, in this country and others..No I don't 🙂.

1. Anyone paying 5 k for a 1 k hoe has automatically labelled himself as an easy mark so the questions and, more importantly, answers are pointless. Promises made in the bar are quickly and routinely forgotten in the room.

2. A 3 page tick list is a mood killer for both parties. Sure, I've confirmed a couple of must haves before but beyond that, I prefer to go with the flow. I've had a couple of disappointments but the pleasant surprises definitely outweigh the downers. That isn't limited to in-bar hookups

As usual YMMV.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

This is spot on. There are multiple differing realities both between the groups of gents on this board (ie, between expats who stay for long periods and the tourists), and also within the various groups..AC has always had guys complaining about the price and quality of girls and also those overpaying but reporting having a great time with their definition of stunners.

Both are likely correct but one went away very happy and the other is still whining.

Life is what you make of it.

Enjoy. G.

[MadDin19]

Depending on what you want, you ALWAYS have to ask questions, in this country and others.

Other questions that need to be asked is:

- Do you BJ? Without condom?

- Do you BBBJ more than 3 minutes?

- Do you CIM? Or facial?

- For those who are kinky: do you RIM? Lesbian show?

- For threesomes, do I have to change condoms? Are you going to hide in the bathroom?
That's all?

- Do you shower?

- Do we shower together?

- Do you turn off the light?

- May I touch your tits?

- May I lick your nipples?

- May I put a finger in your pussy?

- Can I do doggy style?

- Do you lick my balls?

- Can I lick your ass?

- Are you kissing me?

- Do you do BJ?

Sorry but that's bullshit. If a working girl goes with me then I expect the usual standard. I agree that special things like anal or golden shower have to be clarified beforehand.

It's happened to me that the girl turned off the light, didn't want to take a shower (even alone), I wasn't allowed to touch her pussy, etc. Should I discuss all this beforehand?


Promises made in the bar are quickly and routinely forgotten in the room.
A 3 page tick list is a mood killer for both parties. Exactly!

[Axel Heyst]

Sorry but that's bullshit. If a working girl goes with me then I expect the usual standard. I agree that special things like anal or golden shower have to be clarified beforehand.
I totally agree. What is AC coming to if I have to show a girl a list of required services before taking her back to my place. If we are talking bar girls, then I will get a pretty good idea of what is going to happen later on after a friendly audition / interview over a couple of drinks.

It has been 3 years since I stepped foot in the PI, but what ever happened to spontaneous, passionate Filipina sex? As I fondly recall, the PI was always the capital of GFE sex in the known Universe. I had no need to negotiate services prior to 2019 because I always received decent sex at a minimum and 95% of the time a hell of a lot more including passionate DFK, BBBJ, DATY if I wanted, 69 if I wanted, and usually BBFS if I wanted. What's changed?

[GreenBud]

It's happened to me that the girl turned off the light, didn't want to take a shower (even alone), I wasn't allowed to touch her pussy, etc. Should I discuss all this beforehand?Only if it is important to you.

If longtime BBBJ with CIM and rimming is important to you, then you need to ask.

Although BBBJ in Angeles seems to be standard. But in Thailand, you definitely have to ask.

Of course some will renege in the room. It's a cost of doing business. But your chances are increased if you ask. I guess it kills the mood, but I'm not a romantic. My loss.

[MadDin19]

Only if it is important to you.

If longtime BBBJ with CIM and rimming is important to you, then you need to ask.

Although BBBJ in Angeles seems to be standard. But in Thailand, you definitely have to ask.

Of course some will renege in the room. It's a cost of doing business. But your chances are increased if you ask. I guess it kills the mood, but I'm not a romantic. My loss.The important thing is that you have a good time with the girl. If you're lying in bed with a stopwatch checking to see if the BJ is going as scheduled, you're definitely not going to have a good time.

I am romantic and choose my girls based on sympathy. I don't need a stopwatch.

And I don't care if she does CIM or not. It is important to have a good time.

[LoveItHere69]

- Do you shower?

- Do we shower together?

- Do you turn off the light?

- May I touch your tits?

- May I lick your nipples?

- May I put a finger in your pussy?

- Can I do doggy style?

- Are you kissing me?

- Do you do BJ?

Sorry but that's bullshit. If a working girl goes with me then I expect the usual standard. Yes! There are plenty of girls to be had in AC to this very day and even tomorrow. But the older guys who visited 20+ years ago never had to ask these stupid questions because it was a given and runners were very rare versus today it is the norm.

Let's do a small comparison.

Today there are half the number of bars there were 20 years ago. There used to be 3 blow job bars. None today. There were 10ST bars and now maybe 2.

Service? Back then there were 5 bars you could get a BJ at your table or sitting at the stage in front of everyone. Now maybe 1.

I have not seen the influx of girls running to AC because of the Koreans throwing money. If that were true then I should see more girls walking down the street and more bars opening up. I do not believe all the action is moving online because I do not think Koreans play the online game and majority of other foreigners enjoy the bar scene in finding girls and the get it there and then action of it all.

I do know that around 11 years ago the laws changed and that caused a huge supply issue. We old timers know that back in the day 70% of the girls came from Samar (now maybe 10% Most girls now are from Pampanga and Manila (both areas with girls who know the game and are more hardened than the Samar girls). Why? In the past mamasans and bar girls would make yearly recruiting visits finding cousins, sisters, past school mates, neighbors, and so on. But the laws changed making that trafficking in women so that stopped real quick.

So us older guys are not so much bitching about no girls to be found but the lesser amount of girls and the lesser amount of service. You newbies that know nothing will be repeating our same words in 10 years. No, not 20. Why? Things are speeding up. So you will be bitching like us sooner. No shit. I swear it!

[NapaSlapper]

Yes! There are plenty of girls to be had in AC to this very day and even tomorrow. But the older guys who visited 20+ years ago never had to ask these stupid questions because it was a given and runners were very rare versus today it is the norm.

Let's do a small comparison.

Today there are half the number of bars there were 20 years ago. There used to be 3 blow job bars. None today. There were 10ST bars and now maybe 2.

Service? Back then there were 5 bars you could get a BJ at your table or sitting at the stage in front of everyone. Now maybe 1.

I have not seen the influx of girls running to AC because of the Koreans throwing money. If that were true then I should see more girls walking down the street and more bars opening up. I do not believe all the action is moving online because I do not think Koreans play the online game and majority of other foreigners enjoy the bar scene in finding girls and the get it there and then action of it all.

I do know that around 11 years ago the laws changed and that caused a huge supply issue. We old timers know that back in the day 70% of the girls came from Samar (now maybe 10% Most girls now are from Pampanga and Manila (both areas with girls who know the game and are more hardened than the Samar girls). Why? In the past mamasans and bar girls would make yearly recruiting visits finding cousins, sisters, past school mates, neighbors, and so on. But the laws changed making that trafficking in women so that stopped real quick.

So us older guys are not so much bitching about no girls to be found but the lesser amount of girls and the lesser amount of service. You newbies that know nothing will be repeating our same words in 10 years. No, not 20. Why? Things are speeding up. So you will be bitching like us sooner. No shit. I swear it!Have to agree with all that you say, especially the type of girls that were found in the bars some years ago against the hard core money orientated girls of today who want only to earn the big money while supplying either no barfines at all or very quick minimal service back at the room.

Its very easy for noobies that have travelled to angeles from loveless countries where a jump with a whale is impossible to think that the very low quality available is good value compared to no hope of pussy in their normal lives, for those that knew what was available just a few short years ago then what's available to westerners now is garbage at high prices, still some buy rose tinted glasses or dig their head in the sand in order to keep their dream of the old angeles alive.

[Fastpiston]

Yes! There are plenty of girls to be had in AC to this very day and even tomorrow. But the older guys who visited 20+ years ago never had to ask these stupid questions because it was a given and runners were very rare versus today it is the norm.

Let's do a small comparison.

Today there are half the number of bars there were 20 years ago. There used to be 3 blow job bars. None today. There were 10ST bars and now maybe 2.

Service? Back then there were 5 bars you could get a BJ at your table or sitting at the stage in front of everyone. Now maybe 1.

I have not seen the influx of girls running to AC because of the Koreans throwing money. If that were true then I should see more girls walking down the street and more bars opening up. I do not believe all the action is moving online because I do not think Koreans play the online game and majority of other foreigners enjoy the bar scene in finding girls and the get it there and then action of it all.

I do know that around 11 years ago the laws changed and that caused a huge supply issue. We old timers know that back in the day 70% of the girls came from Samar (now maybe 10% Most girls now are from Pampanga and Manila (both areas with girls who know the game and are more hardened than the Samar girls). Why? In the past mamasans and bar girls would make yearly recruiting visits finding cousins, sisters, past school mates, neighbors, and so on. But the laws changed making that trafficking in women so that stopped real quick.

So us older guys are not so much bitching about no girls to be found but the lesser amount of girls and the lesser amount of service. You newbies that know nothing will be repeating our same words in 10 years. No, not 20. Why? Things are speeding up. So you will be bitching like us sooner. No shit. I swear it!A poetic and really true message. Thank you! I would add the new additions of gays, half&halves and variations of degrees thereof. Also in my days slim was standard, today you get a lot of Jollybee tummy inflation. Today far less bang for the buck, even adjusting for the Jollybee inflation.

[GoFourIt]

If longtime BBBJ with CIM and rimming is important to you, then you need to ask.Is rimming common in AC?

[TroyBoy]

Philippine Best Online Freelance Website or App Question.

I just finished a two month stay in Pattaya where the dominant Freelance hookup site is Thaifriendly.com If you want to meet freelancers in Thailand you need to pay the money to upgrade from free to premium status- then learn the ins and outs of this site. Those who put the effort into understanding the ins / outs of this site reap the benefits of endless freelance options, but it does require effort. IMHO-- all the other online options are pretty much a waste of time / money for this destination.

In Colombia the best online hookup option is still Facebook by working the friends of friends network, but this requires much effort and time. If you do not have a Colombian facebook freelance network already in place then your best point / click online option is: Photoprepagos.com and mileroticos.com. - IMHO.

Here is my Question? I do not have time to build a Manila / AC facebook freelance network. I will be arriving Manila in two weeks. What is the best online freelance website or app for me to take a crash course in to be able hookup with freelancers in the Philippines (primarily Manila / AC). Is there a DOMINANT online website or app? I did not know in which forum to post this question so I will post it here in the Manila forum and AC forum. Thank you much! Troyboy (Jag on some other boards) P.S. -- I know Manila and AC well- I just have never bothered with online hookups. I think I need to expand my horizon. Thanks again!

[Sammon]

Philippine Best Online Freelance Website or App Question.

I just finished a two month stay in Pattaya where the dominant Freelance hookup site is Thaifriendly.com If you want to meet freelancers in Thailand you need to pay the money to upgrade from free to premium status- then learn the ins and outs of this site. Those who put the effort into understanding the ins / outs of this site reap the benefits of endless freelance options, but it does require effort. IMHO-- all the other online options are pretty much a waste of time / money for this destination.

In Colombia the best online hookup option is still Facebook by working the friends of friends network, but this requires much effort and time. If you do not have a Colombian facebook freelance network already in place then your best point / click online option is: Photoprepagos.com and mileroticos.com. - IMHO.

Here is my Question? I do not have time to build a Manila / AC facebook freelance network. I will be arriving Manila in two weeks. What is the best online freelance website or app for me to take a crash course in to be able hookup with freelancers in the Philippines (primarily Manila / AC). Is there a DOMINANT online website or app? I did not know in which forum to post this question so I will post it here in the Manila forum and AC forum. Thank you much! Troyboy (Jag on some other boards) P.S. -- I know Manila and AC well- I just have never bothered with online hookups. I think I need to expand my horizon. Thanks again!I have always had good success in dateinasia.com . It is free. Just sign up and be nice messaging. Once you connect with someone ask for their WhatsApp number. In WhatsApp you can ask anything you want.

Do not message anything lurid, insulting, gender etc which will get you banned.

[GDreams]

Philippine Best Online Freelance Website or App Question.

I just finished a two month stay in Pattaya where the dominant Freelance hookup site is Thaifriendly.com If you want to meet freelancers in Thailand you need to pay the money to upgrade from free to premium status- then learn the ins and outs of this site. Those who put the effort into understanding the ins / outs of this site reap the benefits of endless freelance options, but it does require effort. IMHO-- all the other online options are pretty much a waste of time / money for this destination.

Here is my Question? I do not have time to build a Manila / AC facebook freelance network. I will be arriving Manila in two weeks. What is the best online freelance website or app for me to take a crash course in to be able hookup with freelancers in the Philippines (primarily Manila / AC). Is there a DOMINANT online website or app? I did not know in which forum to post this question so I will post it here in the Manila forum and AC forum. Thank you much! Troyboy (Jag on some other boards) P.S. -- I know Manila and AC well- I just have never bothered with online hookups. I think I need to expand my horizon. Thanks again!Pinalove, Dateinasia, Filipino cupid, tantan, tinder, badoo and wechat.

[Coolie High]

I have always had good success in dateinasia.com . It is free. Just sign up and be nice messaging. Once you connect with someone ask for their WhatsApp number. In WhatsApp you can ask anything you want.

Do not message anything lurid, insulting, gender etc which will get you banned.Hey so since were on the computer love topic can you and any OGs on this board give advice in how to weed out the ladyboys when searching online. I'm slowly preparing myself to make a visit this summer and everytime I go into a dating site like datinginasia I look at the females to gauge the beauty and if I see one I like I click to read their profile. And its been a few times I click on the profile thinking it's a female and its a ladyboy 😲. And no matter how much I manage my search parameters (I. E. I specifically click to just want to see woman and I've lower the height requirement because I notice the taller they are the likely hood chance that they are a dude) I still get 4 out of 10 ladyboys that I click on profile. Now to each there own but I don't want to be wasting my time talking and communicating with a chick to realize once I arrived that I've been talking to a ladyboy the whole time.

So if any of yall can give any sound advice on how to avoid a potiential awkward wtf encounter once I come to the phillipines itll be greatly appreciated.

[MrJones87]

I have always had good success in dateinasia.com . It is free. Just sign up and be nice messaging. Once you connect with someone ask for their WhatsApp number. In WhatsApp you can ask anything you want.

Do not message anything lurid, insulting, gender etc which will get you banned.Hello!

I just found out there seem to be a dateinasia app (paying) and a dateinasia website (free? I am not sure whether they're the same or not since I subscribed on one and can't sign in on the other.

When you refer to dateinasia as free, do you mean the website?

[Sammon]

Hey so since were on the computer love topic can you and any OGs on this board give advice in how to weed out the ladyboys when searching online. I'm slowly preparing myself to make a visit this summer and everytime I go into a dating site like datinginasia I look at the females to gauge the beauty and if I see one I like I click to read their profile. And its been a few times I click on the profile thinking it's a female and its a ladyboy 😲. And no matter how much I manage my search parameters (I. E. I specifically click to just want to see woman and I've lower the height requirement because I notice the taller they are the likely hood chance that they are a dude) I still get 4 out of 10 ladyboys that I click on profile. Now to each there own but I don't want to be wasting my time talking and communicating with a chick to realize once I arrived that I've been talking to a ladyboy the whole time.

So if any of yall can give any sound advice on how to avoid a potiential awkward wtf encounter once I come to the phillipines itll be greatly appreciated.Dateinasia does not like if your message says are you a ladyboy?

Tips,

1. Look at the height of the girl. If over 5 feet 5 inches it is most probably a ladyboy. Most Philippine girls are shorter.

2. Once you get her on WhatsApp you can directly ask. Most admit.

3. Do not rely on the pictures. They are photoshopped.

4. Excessive make up is a dead giveaway.

Having said all these I have been fooled by them lying and trying to get in my room. All the girls I meet first time I meet them downstairs and escort them. Some ladyboys do lie till I met them downstairs. I politely tell them I am not interested and walk away.

[AsianPursuits]

Let's do a small comparison.

Today there are half the number of bars there were 20 years ago. There used to be 3 blow job bars. None today. There were 10ST bars and now maybe 2.This comparison is erroneous. The more correct comparison is between Angeles NOW & my home town NOW.

No of girlie bars I can afford in AC v my home town 70:0.

Overnight escort rate P3,000 : AUD3,000 (P114,000).

No if BJ Bars 0 : 0.

Available pinay on Dating sites 300:3.

AC is bounds ahead of my current place.

[Radical Guy]

Hey so since were on the computer love topic can you and any OGs on this board give advice in how to weed out the ladyboys when searching online. I'm slowly preparing myself to make a visit this summer and everytime I go into a dating site like datinginasia I look at the females to gauge the beauty and if I see one I like I click to read their profile. And its been a few times I click on the profile thinking it's a female and its a ladyboy 😲. And no matter how much I manage my search parameters (I. E. I specifically click to just want to see woman and I've lower the height requirement because I notice the taller they are the likely hood chance that they are a dude) I still get 4 out of 10 ladyboys that I click on profile. Now to each there own but I don't want to be wasting my time talking and communicating with a chick to realize once I arrived that I've been talking to a ladyboy the whole time.

So if any of yall can give any sound advice on how to avoid a potiential awkward wtf encounter once I come to the phillipines itll be greatly appreciated.Worst case scenario, you'll find out in your hotel room. "Those eyes! Those thighs! Surprise!" LOL.

[LoveItHere69]

This comparison is erroneous. The more correct comparison is between Angeles NOW & my home town NOW.

No of girlie bars I can afford in AC v my home town 70:0.

Overnight escort rate P3,000 : AUD3,000 (P114,000).

No if BJ Bars 0 : 0.

Available pinay on Dating sites 300:3.

AC is bounds ahead of my current place.Guys on this site compare past and present, one city to another or one island to another, one Asian country to another. Nobody compares our own countries to the Philippines. What would be the point in that? Your information is useless so in essence pointless. You are not the sharpest tool in the shed by any means.

[Goferring]

Dateinasia does not like if your message says are you a ladyboy?

Tips...5. The back 3/4 photo with "her" ass sticking out. More than one photo focussing on her ass is a give away.

6. High pressure sales techniques. If she is agreeing to everyone you ask and wants to meet now, then it's not a good sign.

7. The old adage "if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is".

8. Much easier to tell the truth face to face or via video than from photos. Run from anyone avoiding either of these before meeting. Broken cameras, bad room lighting, a bad voice because of the flu are all allerts.

9. When in doubt ask. 99% are truthful when asked directly.

[GDreams]

Hey so since were on the computer love topic can you and any OGs on this board give advice in how to weed out the ladyboys when searching online. I'm slowly preparing myself to make a visit this summer and everytime I go into a dating site like datinginasia I look at the females to gauge the beauty and if I see one I like I click to read their profile. And its been a few times I click on the profile thinking it's a female and its a ladyboy 😲. And no matter how much I manage my search parameters (I. E. I specifically click to just want to see woman and I've lower the height requirement because I notice the taller they are the likely hood chance that they are a dude) I still get 4 out of 10 ladyboys that I click on profile. Now to each there own but I don't want to be wasting my time talking and communicating with a chick to realize once I arrived that I've been talking to a ladyboy the whole time.

So if any of yall can give any sound advice on how to avoid a potiential awkward wtf encounter once I come to the phillipines itll be greatly appreciated.Usually my third question is: Sorry to ask but are you a girl!

[GreenBud]

Is rimming common in AC?No. BBBJ seems to be common, but not as common as it was in 2007.

[Houston Player]

This comparison is erroneous. The more correct comparison is between Angeles NOW & my home town NOW.

No of girlie bars I can afford in AC v my home town 70:0.

Overnight escort rate P3,000 : AUD3,000 (P114,000).

No if BJ Bars 0 : 0.

Available pinay on Dating sites 300:3.

AC is bounds ahead of my current place.If I were you I would move. Just kidding.

[WestCoast1]

5. The back 3/4 photo with "her" ass sticking out. More than one photo focussing on her ass is a give away.

6. High pressure sales techniques. If she is agreeing to everyone you ask and wants to meet now, then it's not a good sign.

7. The old adage "if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is".

8. Much easier to tell the truth face to face or via video than from photos. Run from anyone avoiding either of these before meeting. Broken cameras, bad room lighting, a bad voice because of the flu are all allerts.

9. When in doubt ask. 99% are truthful when asked directly.Hahahaha. And you know these things. . . How?

Try explaining these things to your in-laws.

[Dg8787]

Fears of LB's are over blown. Suck it up and move on. LOL.

[GreenBud]

Fears of LB's are over blown. Suck it up and move on. LOL.They're not as bad as the LB's in Thailand. I hate it when they move to block my path, or touch me. All the ladyboys in Angeles do is just say Hi.

Although the ladyboys in Thailand "look" better. But it seems the ladyboys in Angeles have improved in appearance since 10 years ago. I guess they learned how to put on makeup. LOL! LOL!

[Dg8787]

They're not as bad as the LB's in Thailand. I hate it when they move to block my path, or touch me. All the ladyboys in Angeles do is just say Hi.

Although the ladyboys in Thailand "look" better. But it seems the ladyboys in Angeles have improved in appearance since 10 years ago. I guess they learned how to put on makeup. LOL! LOL!LB's in front of Nana Plaza are aggressive. Once they got a "grip" on you it's hard to pull away.

[Goferring]

Hahahaha. And you know these things. . . How?

Try explaining these things to your in-laws.Hahaha. I've lost count of the guys who "accidently" hook up with a Bakla. . . . . Six times a trip.

[Goferring]

Fears of LB's are over blown. Suck it up and move on. LOL.Hope the OP doesn't take your suggestion too literally. 😱.

[WestCoast1]

Hahaha. I've lost count of the guys who "accidently" hook up with a Bakla. . . . . Six times a trip.I told you NOT to mention that part. . . 😱.

[Coolie High]

Dateinasia does not like if your message says are you a ladyboy?

Tips,

1. Look at the height of the girl. If over 5 feet 5 inches it is most probably a ladyboy. Most Philippine girls are shorter.

2. Once you get her on WhatsApp you can directly ask. Most admit.

3. Do not rely on the pictures. They are photoshopped.

4. Excessive make up is a dead giveaway.

Having said all these I have been fooled by them lying and trying to get in my room. All the girls I meet first time I meet them downstairs and escort them. Some ladyboys do lie till I met them downstairs. I politely tell them I am not interested and walk away.


5. The back 3/4 photo with "her" ass sticking out. More than one photo focussing on her ass is a give away.

6. High pressure sales techniques. If she is agreeing to everyone you ask and wants to meet now, then it's not a good sign.

7. The old adage "if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is".

8. Much easier to tell the truth face to face or via video than from photos. Run from anyone avoiding either of these before meeting. Broken cameras, bad room lighting, a bad voice because of the flu are all allerts.

9. When in doubt ask. 99% are truthful when asked directly.Yeah much thanks on the advice. Ima definitely put it to good use and hopefully avoid an awkard WTF moment.


Usually my third question is: Sorry to ask but are you a girl!Yeah I was thinking about being direct as well but I just didn't want to offend no one and / or the culture by being so direct. But I do not want to wake up in the Cry Game so yeah Ima be polite as I can but ima ask straight out.


Fears of LB's are over blown. Suck it up and move on. LOL.


Hope the OP doesn't take your suggestion too literally. 😱.Yeah I was thinking the samething. That suck it up and move on, MIGHT be a POOR choice of words for this particular conversation. Whats next, man up and swallow 🤢 🤣.


Worst case scenario, you'll find out in your hotel room. "Those eyes! Those thighs! Surprise!" LOL.And that's something I do NOT want to happen. Think about it, you meet the so call female downstairs your hotel. You do all the normal checks and balances (make sure she's legal tender, have a good personality etc) as you may take her out to lunch. The vibe is good so you touching on her and she touching on you. You go in for a kiss to get on first base. Cool, she's down. Now you ready to go steal for 2nd and she's game. So now you're back to your room yall are going at it then all of sudden you reach to feel the pussy to feel something that's harder then chinese arthimetic. OOH HELL NO! And just like that you want to get mad because you just found out you've been kissing a dude the whole time BUT you have to be cool because remember this is not your country and the last thing I want to be in is a Filipino jail. So you calmly escort the ladyboy out and proceed to cleanse your mouth body and soul like Jim Carrey did in Pet Detective 😡 🤣.

https://youtu.be/H_v15nCtDnM

[WestCoast1]

then all of sudden you reach to feel the pussy to feel something that's harder then chinese arthimetic. Hahaha. Bad. You fellas is bad.

AC throwback pic. I love you baby, but careful those teeth (they're harder than chinese arithmetic).

[Radical Guy]

And that's something I do NOT want to happen. Think about it, you meet the so call female downstairs your hotel. You do all the normal checks and balances (make sure she's legal tender, have a good personality etc) as you may take her out to lunch. The vibe is good so you touching on her and she touching on you. You go in for a kiss to get on first base. Cool, she's down. Now you ready to go steal for 2nd and she's game. So now you're back to your room yall are going at it then all of sudden you reach to feel the pussy to feel something that's harder than chinese arthimetic. OOH HELL NO! And just like that you want to get mad because you just found out you've been kissing a dude the whole time BUT you have to be cool because remember this is not your country and the last thing I want to be in is a Filipino jail. So you calmly escort the ladyboy out and proceed to cleanse your mouth body and soul like Jim Carrey did in Pet Detective 😡 🤣.

https://youtu.be/H_v15nCtDnMBe careful, in today's politically correct environment, such talk might label you as a "transphobe. " We are expected to be equal opportunity mongers. LOL.

[Chocha Monger]

Yeah much thanks on the advice. Ima definitely put it to good use and hopefully avoid an awkard WTF moment.

Yeah I was thinking about being direct as well but I just didn't want to offend no one and / or the culture by being so direct. But I do not want to wake up in the Cry Game so yeah Ima be polite as I can but ima ask straight out.



Yeah I was thinking the samething. That suck it up and move on, MIGHT be a POOR choice of words for this particular conversation. Whats next, man up and swallow.
And that's something I do NOT want to happen. Think about it, you meet the so call female downstairs your hotel. You do all the normal checks and balances (make sure she's legal tender, have a good personality etc) as you may take her out to lunch. The vibe is good so you touching on her and she touching on you. You go in for a kiss to get on first base. Cool, she's down. Now you ready to go steal for 2nd and she's game. So now you're back to your room yall are going at it then all of sudden you reach to feel the pussy to feel something that's harder then chinese arthimetic. OOH HELL NO! And just like that you want to get mad because you just found out you've been kissing a dude the whole time BUT you have to be cool because remember this is not your country and the last thing I want to be in is a Filipino jail. So you calmly escort the ladyboy out and proceed to cleanse your mouth body and soul like Jim Carrey did in Pet Detective.
https://youtu.be/H_v15nCtDnMWhat do you do when she gives you the best BBBJCIM with swallow before you discover the Chinese arithmetic equation? What happens when you have had a little too much to drink and you go balls deep in her man-pussy? Do you just go all-in or have a mental breakdown?

[Beavis]

Yeah much thanks on the advice. Ima definitely put it to good use and hopefully avoid an awkard WTF moment.

Yeah I was thinking about being direct as well but I just didn't want to offend no one and / or the culture by being so direct. But I do not want to wake up in the Cry Game so yeah Ima be polite as I can but ima ask straight out.



Yeah I was thinking the samething. That suck it up and move on, MIGHT be a POOR choice of words for this particular conversation. Whats next, man up and swallow 🤢 🤣.

And that's something I do NOT want to happen. Think about it, you meet the so call female downstairs your hotel. You do all the normal checks and balances (make sure she's legal tender, have a good personality etc) as you may take her out to lunch. The vibe is good so you touching on her and she touching on you. You go in for a kiss to get on first base. Cool, she's down. Now you ready to go steal for 2nd and she's game. So now you're back to your room yall are going at it then all of sudden you reach to feel the pussy to feel something that's harder then chinese arthimetic. OOH HELL NO! And just like that you want to get mad because you just found out you've been kissing a dude the whole time BUT you have to be cool because remember this is not your country and the last thing I want to be in is a Filipino jail. So you calmly escort the ladyboy out and proceed to cleanse your mouth body and soul like Jim Carrey did in Pet Detective 😡 🤣.

https://youtu.be/H_v15nCtDnMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBvbvCxvUzE

[WestCoast1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBvbvCxvUzEHahaha. "My name is Tim. By the way I also do work on BMW's. Bye".

[WestCoast1]

Hahaha. I've lost count of the guys who "accidently" hook up with a Bakla. . . . . Six times a trip.


Yeah I was thinking about being direct as well but I just didn't want to offend no one and / or the culture by being so direct. But I do not want to wake up in the Cry Game so yeah Ima be polite as I can but ima ask straight out.Probably this should go in the GI. Related story.

Years ago I went into a Brgy Hall. A nice gent was helping with my issue. He was busy for a good 10 minutes looking up information on his phone. As he was doing that I got bored and was looking thru my phone. Normally I would read the news or messages or such. I happened to be looking thru a folder of pics from several years prior. Another employee, an older gent walked over to introduce himself. As we were chatting, other workers also came over to listen in (just guessing that a foreigner in that Brgy hall is a rare occurrence). I was surrounded by 5 additional employees in pleasant banter. "Where you from?" The land of plenty. "How many years you come to Phils?" 15. And so on.

As it happened my phone was open to a pic of a girl from a few years before in a neighboring province, late-20's, that I was seeing previously when I rolled thru (her) town for a few days. Spicy, both in terms of looks and personality. Over several years I'd bonked her several dozen times, and posted her in the PG. The older gent finally saw the picture and asked to see it. He took my phone and upon his inspection, he declared: "Ladyboy".

Ah, no sir, that's a girl. "Its ladyboy". He passed my phone around to the others. All of them agreed: Ladyboy. Folks, do any of you know her? "No". You are basing that on one picture. Let me show you another. I showed them another picture. "Ladyboy". The only features that I could see that might make it appear so would be her long, skinny nose. Other than that, nothing. Finally one of the guys said he thought it was a girl.

"Sir what is your relationship with this person?" Well not that its any of your biz, but we were together until a few years ago. "With a ladyboy?" No, she's a girl. "Sir maybe you don't know what is a ladyboy". Ya, I know what that means. "But sir you didn't know at that time maybe". I knew at the time. "But sir the ladyboy can fool you". Yes, am aware. Fairly sure in my 50's that I know what the body parts look like fella. How would that happen? Was with her many times. "Maybe the lights is off in the room". Twenty or more times, with the lights on. With a woman who has 2 kids? The idea of a foreigner, visiting for more than a decade, traveling the smaller cities of Mindanao, doesn't know what a ladyboy is (or alternately can't spot one while she's naked -- 20+ times), is remote.

It was a discussion going nowhere. They weren't about to be disuaded. As I couldn't mention that I had poon pix, I finished my business there and moved on. Proof that its possible that anyone can be fooled, and in either direction.

[Chocha Monger]

As it happened my phone was open to a pic of a girl from a few years before in a neighboring province, late-20's, that I was seeing previously when I rolled thru (her) town for a few days. Spicy, both in terms of looks and personality. Over several years I'd bonked her several dozen times, and posted her in the PG. The older gent finally saw the picture and asked to see it. He took my phone and upon his inspection, he declared: "Ladyboy".

Ah, no sir, that's a girl. "Its ladyboy". He passed my phone around to the others. All of them agreed: Ladyboy. Folks, do any of you know her? "No". You are basing that on one picture. Let me show you another. I showed them another picture. "Ladyboy". The only features that I could see that might make it appear so would be her long, skinny nose. Other than that, nothing. Finally one of the guys said he thought it was a girl.

"Sir what is your relationship with this person?" Well not that its any of your biz, but we were together until a few years ago. "With a ladyboy?" No, she's a girl. "Sir maybe you don't know what is a ladyboy". Ya, I know what that means. "But sir you didn't know at that time maybe". I knew at the time. "But sir the ladyboy can fool you". Yes, am aware. Fairly sure in my 50's that I know what the body parts look like fella. How would that happen? Was with her many times. "Maybe the lights is off in the room". Twenty or more times, with the lights on. With a woman who has 2 kids? The idea of a foreigner, visiting for more than a decade, traveling the smaller cities of Mindanao, doesn't know what a ladyboy is (or alternately can't spot one while she's naked -- 20+ times), is remote..Maybe, your ladyboy was post-op. It happens. Lots of foreigners fall for a fake pussy and laryngeal shave.

[Volterra]

They're not as bad as the LB's in Thailand. I hate it when they move to block my path, or touch me. All the ladyboys in Angeles do is just say Hi.

Although the ladyboys in Thailand "look" better. But it seems the ladyboys in Angeles have improved in appearance since 10 years ago. I guess they learned how to put on makeup. LOL! LOL!I think it's hard to say which place (Thailand or PH) the LBs are worse. Probably depends on who you talk to. My own feeling is that PH LBs are more aggressive. Last August out in front of Phillies in AC they just wouldn't leave you the f. K alone if you're at the outdoor part of Phillies or the cafe across the street. They hang out in groups, which is what gives them extra gumption (bad enough alone).

Makati was even worse for me. Walking down Burgos street with them constantly stepping in front of you, and then once you signal your intent to charge forward no matter what, they start screaming to attract attention (as if you're planning to hit them). Of because, they're trying to incite you to do exactly that. Really tests your ability to stay cool. And even sitting in Burgos st bars, they keep coming and sitting at your table uninvited, and if you continue to ignore them, they try to stir up a fight ("Why don't you want to talk to me? And that BS). I cut my August Manila trip short because I was so sick of them and the freaking kids trying to pickpocket you.

Don't know if this will work in PH, but on my trip to Thailand last month, I decided to add some candid lines in my Thai Friendly and Tdr profile. I just said "Looking for 100% female only. Absolutely NO transgender. " I can't be sure that this was the cause, but my LB traffic on those sites was almost nonexistent. I maybe only had a few, but was generally left alone. I'm going to try next week, but we all know that the persistent ones are going to try to work around you no matter what.

One of the other bros mentioned meeting them out front first, which I think is a must, though I know lots of guys prefer the girls just showing up at their door. I tried the video call, with some success, but others have mentioned doing that and still having be&S with someone else showing up. I also met a few girls at nearby bars, willing to by them one cheap drink and get acquainted for 15 minutes before going back to my room and banging to bejesus. At least I was confident that it was a girl coming with me. Hope you can keep clear of the LBs, and hope we can at least keep talking about them candidly on this site without having to give in to PC pressure. Hell!

[Coolie High]

What do you do when she gives you the best BBBJCIM with swallow before you discover the Chinese arithmetic equation? What happens when you have had a little too much to drink and you go balls deep in her man-pussy? Do you just go all-in or have a mental breakdown?Yeah at that point you might as well have a mental breakdown. But make sure you do harm to your SELF and NOT the ladyboy because apparently you like men on the low and you're still have issues with coming to terms with your own sexuality. Do NOT blame the ladyboy. Because I'm telling you now there ain't enough liquor in the known observable universe that would make me not know that I'm going balls deep in some ladyboys pussy AKA a mans ass 🤢.

All seriousness though everyone who travels to the Philippines and Thailand knows by now that they have to be on the lookout for ladyboys. It aint NO secret. So I plan to be on my guard in the beginning and politely ask upfront and as Reagan once said, trust but verify. Which means before ol mighty joe goes into her mouth I'm checking to see if that pussy nice and wet or if she whipping out a hard chinese algebra test down below. And if so, NO bueno, time to go. Quick fast and in a hurry.


Be careful, in today's politically correct environment, such talk might label you as a "transphobe. " We are expected to be equal opportunity mongers. LOL.I'm not transphobe, I'm as Kat Williams once said, I'm Pro-Pussy. And if being Pro-Pussy is wrong then I don't want to be right LOL.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBvbvCxvUzELMAO 🤣Man you went serious OLD school with that movie. F#%%ING HILLARIOUS.


Fairly sure in my 50's that I know what the body parts look like fella. How would that happen? Was with her many times. "Maybe the lights is off in the room". Twenty or more times, with the lights on. With a woman who has 2 kids? The idea of a foreigner, visiting for more than a decade, traveling the smaller cities of Mindanao, doesn't know what a ladyboy is (or alternately can't spot one while she's naked -- 20+ times), is remote.

It was a discussion going nowhere. They weren't about to be disuaded. As I couldn't mention that I had poon pix, I finished my business there and moved on. Proof that its possible that anyone can be fooled, and in either direction.Yeah it sounded like you went into the twilight zone with that conversation. Unfortunately that happens from time to time. So much so that probably for a split, split second they had you thinking that maybe she isn't. But WAIT a sec, you got video, pics and she has 2 kids. I wouldve toldem F##$ OUT OF HERE lol


Maybe, your ladyboy was post-op. It happens. Lots of foreigners fall for a fake pussy and laryngeal shave.AND just like that we're right back in the twilight zone. I take it you didn't read the part about him having videos, him smashing a billion times and the fact that she has 2 kids. Even with post op surgery that would have to be some magnificent magical pussy for him to not realize that hes been smashing a ladyboy. I know a couple dudes that got a little to drunk and fell for the ol oakie doke post op but even they knew once entering that the pussy wasn't authentic and proceeded the Jim Carry Pet Detective cleanse thyself routine.

[WestCoast1]

Maybe, your ladyboy was post-op. It happens. Lots of foreigners fall for a fake pussy and laryngeal shave.Yes of course, anything is possible. But the possibility is slim. She'd never been out of Augusan del Sur. Maybe the lights were off. Maybe. . .

[Chocha Monger]

Yeah it sounded like you went into the twilight zone with that conversation. Unfortunately that happens from time to time. So much so that probably for a split, split second they had you thinking that maybe she isn't. But WAIT a sec, you got video, pics and she has 2 kids. I wouldve toldem F##$ OUT OF HERE lol..In the Philippines, it pays to have a healthy skepticism of the senses. Take heed of the warning, "Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see." This is the land where brothers are actually husbands, and aunts are really unrelated pimps. Dating site beauties show up missing an eye, leg or all of their teeth. Sometimes, the only person in the town with no clue of reality is the foreigner.

[AsianPursuits]

Don't know if this will work in PH, but on my trip to Thailand last month, I decided to add some candid lines in my Thai Friendly and Tdr profile. I just said "Looking for 100% female only. Absolutely NO transgender.I tried similar a few years back. Ended up getting too many abusive type of messages, surprised you haven't yet.

I always ask the question and follow-up with I'm not looking for a ladyboy at the moment. (of course I'm never looking for a LB but they usually exit and refer their 'sister friend' or whatever).

AC is a small place and you don't want to be confronted by a group of LB as you are strolling your way back late one night.

[LoveItHere69]

Have the 'girl' yell, "I love gummy bears!

They pretty much have to have a super born with female voice to pass this test. That is why they always talk so quietly because the louder the voice the harder it is to suppress the male voice.

If you question if it is a lady boy or not just simply ask a girl. Real girls know.

But my absolute go to move is that if I have any doubts at all I run away.

[Beavis]

In the Philippines, it pays to have a healthy skepticism of the senses. Take heed of the warning, "Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see." This is the land where brothers are actually husbands, and aunts are really unrelated pimps. Dating site beauties show up missing an eye, leg or all of their teeth. Sometimes, the only person in the town with no clue of reality is the foreigner.Not only that, often it is the husband, BF, aunt, ect. That created the profile and are the ones you are talking to. It isn't a coincidence that the same trike driver picks her up and drops her off at the bar every night. And no he isn't just a friend that lives near her. When he drops her off at your hotel he just finished doing her to so she will be ready for you.

[Radical Guy]

Not only that, often it is the husband, BF, aunt, ect. That created the profile and are the ones you are talking to. It isn't a coincidence that the same trike driver picks her up and drops her off at the bar every night. And no he isn't just a friend that lives near her. When he drops her off at your hotel he just finished doing her to so she will be ready for you.Yikes! That thought is pretty gross. Now I'll be wondering if I'm getting sloppy seconds each time my girl gets out of a tricycle. 🤮.

[WestCoast1]

Yikes! That thought is pretty gross. Now I'll be wondering if I'm getting sloppy seconds each time my girl gets out of a tricycle. 🤮.We are. Get used to using one of these every time.

[Zach Hammond]

Veering away from ladyboy talk for a moment:



I do know that around 11 years ago the laws changed and that caused a huge supply issue. We old timers know that back in the day 70% of the girls came from Samar (now maybe 10% Most girls now are from Pampanga and Manila (both areas with girls who know the game and are more hardened than the Samar girls). Why? In the past mamasans and bar girls would make yearly recruiting visits finding cousins, sisters, past school mates, neighbors, and so on. But the laws changed making that trafficking in women so that stopped real quick.
If this is true, why wouldn't a dedicated punter just go to Samar and meet these "cousins, sisters, past school mates, neighbours, and so on" for themselves? Presumably, the supply of them is still there, and still just as desperate for money, but now there's nobody coming over to recruit them, right?

Is it that these girls are spread too thin out among various rural villages, such that it'd be more work than it's worth to find them if you're only interested in one shag with each girl?

Is it that the desperate provincial girls are only willing to talk to locals / people they know, since they don't yet see themselves as working girls serving the "customer service needs" of foreigners? (In that case, why not hire a guide —*ideally, a retired / non-working mamasan, someone knows exactly who she'd like to recruit, if only she were allowed, but can point you at them instead?

[Sir Lancelot]

In less than a month I will be returning to Angeles for the first time in eight years (I made the rookie mistake of getting a girlfriend but now thankfully I'm single again).

I trawled back 100 pages to research my forthcoming trip, collecting any relevant information along the way, and for the first time I can honestly say I haven't got any questions. So I'd just like to thank all contributors for your fields reports and providing such a goldmine of information.

I will post a day-by-day diary of my trip, on this page, Manila and Cebu.

[Locamotive]

Yikes! That thought is pretty gross. Now I'll be wondering if I'm getting sloppy seconds each time my girl gets out of a tricycle. 🤮.Not only trike but bars as well. On my last trip met a girl in one of the bars early in the evening so she was on day shift. Everything was going fine as she was a real cutie so a barfine was in the cards. While she was in the john another girl I knew walks up, careful she's been on two ST already. These girls can be jealous and petty so I took that into account. When she returns I work in the conversation business looks good now since COVID, you doing OK. Yep two ST already today I've been lucky. I'm thinking, well darling your luck just ran out. It never hurts to ask and true some will lie but allot of them like to brag about their prowess as they are very desirable. DATY is probably my favorite. So a day or two is fine as they probably would have time for a proper wash but one or two hours? Ewwww that's just disgusting.

[Goferring]

Yikes! That thought is pretty gross. Now I'll be wondering if I'm getting sloppy seconds each time my girl gets out of a tricycle. 🤮.Let's not discuss what that special taste is, if you go down on a bargirl. 😱.

[Dg8787]

Veering away from ladyboy talk for a moment:

If this is true, why wouldn't a dedicated punter just go to Samar and meet these "cousins, sisters, past school mates, neighbours, and so on" for themselves? Presumably, the supply of them is still there, and still just as desperate for money, but now there's nobody coming over to recruit them, right?

Is it that these girls are spread too thin out among various rural villages, such that it'd be more work than it's worth to find them if you're only interested in one shag with each girl?

Is it that the desperate provincial girls are only willing to talk to locals / people they know, since they don't yet see themselves as working girls serving the "customer service needs" of foreigners? (In that case, why not hire a guide *ideally, a retired / non-working mamasan, someone knows exactly who she'd like to recruit, if only she were allowed, but can point you at them instead?I have no idea what the change in law 11 years ago was.

There are not any large cities in Samar to meet girls discreetly. Let alone a hotel in the small villages. Most girls will not meet a foreigner in a hotel. The major town is Tacloban with an airport which you could meet a girl. Most province villages will be 1-3+ hours away by van or bus. I doubt they will come to meet you for monger activities.

When they are recruited it is for a "waitress" or "sales lady" job in the big city probably Manila or Cebu. That is the story to the families. Most know it will be as a dancer in AC but probably not fully aware of all the job duties. But being in a financial bind and willing to help the family they will go.

The supply system in place works fine.

[WestCoast1]

If this is true, why wouldn't a dedicated punter just go to Samar and meet these "cousins, sisters, past school mates, neighbours, and so on" for themselves? SNIP

Is it that these girls are spread too thin out among various rural villages, such that it'd be more work than it's worth to find them if you're only interested in one shag with each girl?

Is it that the desperate provincial girls are only willing to talk to locals / people they know, since they don't yet see themselves as working girls serving the "customer service needs" of foreigners? (In that case, why not hire a guide *ideally, a retired / non-working mamasan, someone knows exactly who she'd like to recruit, if only she were allowed, but can point you at them instead?


There are not any large cities in Samar to meet girls discreetly. Let alone a hotel in the small villages. Most girls will not meet a foreigner in a hotel. The major town is Tacloban with an airport which you could meet a girl. Most province villages will be 1-3+ hours away by van or bus. I doubt they will come to meet you for monger activities.

When they are recruited it is for a "waitress" or "sales lady" job in the big city probably Manila or Cebu. That is the story to the families. Most know it will be as a dancer in AC but probably not fully aware of all the job duties. But being in a financial bind and willing to help the family they will go.

The supply system in place works fine.ZH, its a conflating of ideas that aren't bad, but need to be separated by physical space. Showing up in a small town with a week on your hands to find poon has been amply described here as a mistake. The girls are generally too shy to meet you for anything other than a Jolliebee or coffee.

DG has hit upon some of the disparities of going to the province to find young honies. Its just not cost-effective for 2-week warriors. You probably need to meet the girls in a separate but nearby city (chismosa won't allow her to just waltz into your hotel for bang-time, the gossip will get back to her family). Its an interesting idea, possibly hiring a local pimp to find you girls to your liking, but you run into similar problems. The idea is to convince them to get away from their family area for tryst time, which DG points out is exactly how AC works.

For the short-time warrior, you need point-and-shoot access to poon. Gogo bars fill a critical need, meaning the girls and customers must come to the bar and meet in person. They can spend a bit of time together (far from prying eyes of friends / family) to get comfy and assess up close if they each want to spend time in a hotel hammering away.

[Chocha Monger]

Yikes! That thought is pretty gross. Now I'll be wondering if I'm getting sloppy seconds each time my girl gets out of a tricycle. 🤮.I hope you did not think that she arrived dripping wet and loosened up due to the vibration and roar of the two-stroke Kawasaki trike engine.

[DzikaBomba]

DATY is probably my favorite. So a day or two is fine as they probably would have time for a proper wash but one or two hours? Ewwww that's just disgusting.We are in the same boat.

But sadly AC is for sure not the place for that!

Its mostly smelly pussy there, so DATY is no option.

[Beavis]

Yikes! That thought is pretty gross. Now I'll be wondering if I'm getting sloppy seconds each time my girl gets out of a tricycle. 🤮.Well it is very possible. Unfortunately it's true. Many of the bargirls, part timers, free lancers, ect. Have partners but still work. So you know if a guy knows his girl is going to bang some other guy most likely he is going to hit it first. On the bright side, soap is wonderful and I have never seen one in a junkyard (although a few should be). I knew a girl in the DR that had 3 regular foreign boyfriends. All were sending her money. One time she had 2 boyfriends in town the same time and managed to arrange it to be with each one every other night. They are master liars regardless of where they are from. Social media and the internet has provided them a closed network where they can all share their secrets. Rest assured that you aren't the only guy she is banging.

[Sammon]

Why would people worry who has sex with whom unless you are married to her. You are in a pussy warehouse otherwise known as Angeles City. You do not control the personal lives of girls. You are there for one reason which is to have sex with many girls. Irrespective of how much money you pay or how thunderstruck you are you annotate expect any kind of loyalty from girls.

Just go with the flow.

[Radical Guy]

Why would people worry who has sex with whom unless you are married to her. You are in a pussy warehouse otherwise known as Angeles City. You do not control the personal lives of girls. You are there for one reason which is to have sex with many girls. Irrespective of how much money you pay or how thunderstruck you are you annotate expect any kind of loyalty from girls.

Just go with the flow.Not worried. I'm just not a big fan of creampie. 🤣.

[Volterra]

In less than a month I will be returning to Angeles for the first time in eight years (I made the rookie mistake of getting a girlfriend but now thankfully I'm single again).

I trawled back 100 pages to research my forthcoming trip, collecting any relevant information along the way, and for the first time I can honestly say I haven't got any questions. So I'd just like to thank all contributors for your fields reports and providing such a goldmine of information.

I will post a day-by-day diary of my trip, on this page, Manila and Cebu.The infamous, notorious, yet highly esteemed Sir Lance invades AC! Having just finished an 18 day Pattaya / Bangkok tour, it is I who owe you a round of gratitude for all the supreme reports that helped me prepare for Pattaya. You were wise to get in and get out of there before the holidays, however. Christmas there was insane. My efforts paled in comparison.

I'm off to AC myself tomorrow for a week. Looks like I'll leave just before you get there. I'm still way behind on posting TH reports and not sure I'll get much up on AC before you arrive, but I'll try to pass on anything that seems major, and will look forward to your forthcoming reports. Sure to be a magnum opus 2023. Cheers.

[WestCoast1]

Not worried. I'm just not a big fan of creampie. 🤣.I've heard of that.

Don't look. I might have had that barfine the morning before someone had her in the afternoon. Remember to shake the girl good so she can blow you some bubbles.

[GDreams]

Let's not discuss what that special taste is, if you go down on a bargirl.Reminds me of the joke:

A guys goes down on a pro. After a minute he gets a pea in his mouth. Next thing a piece of meat. He comes up for air and asks the pro if she is sick? She said no but the guy before was!

[D Cups]

The infamous, notorious, yet highly esteemed Sir Lance invades AC! Having just finished an 18 day Pattaya / Bangkok tour, it is I who owe you a round of gratitude for all the supreme reports that helped me prepare for Pattaya. You were wise to get in and get out of there before the holidays, however. Christmas there was insane. My efforts paled in comparison.

I'm off to AC myself tomorrow for a week. Looks like I'll leave just before you get there. I'm still way behind on posting TH reports and not sure I'll get much up on AC before you arrive, but I'll try to pass on anything that seems major, and will look forward to your forthcoming reports. Sure to be a magnum opus 2023. Cheers.Ditto to Sir Lancelot whose publications on Cambodia and Indonesia were particularly helpful to me a few years back! Welcome back, buddy!

[Volterra]

Just landed in AC last night and feeling guilty about not yet reporting on my Thailand adventures last month. Not sure how many posts I'll get out in the coming week, but I wanted to take advantage of the very relaxed atmosphere here in AC before I head out for another night of rampaging.

Unfortunately, there are still no direct flights to Clark from my origin, so I had to fly into Manila yesterday and arranged an airport taxi pickup through my AC hotel. The waiting line for immigration was long and baggage conveyor was a mess, but otherwise the SIM card purchase and pickup went smoothly, and I checked into my AC hotel (just a block from Fields) by 8:30, showered, ate at the Orchid pool Cantina and got straight down to business by 10:00.

I started texting some girls from my summer trip to see if I could repeat or makeup for the missed ones. One 20 yr old (May) said she was "having her period" but maybe we could meet next week. Then (predictably). 30 minutes later she says she's at Fields and do I want to meet up. She's the type to call / video call out of the blue, so we kept missing each other's video call (I didn't want to waste time if she's NMCOT). We never met up, but she said she was at Hammer (FL disco next to Envy), and I saw other young civilian-looking girls go in there, so I'll give that a gander soon.

My first stop was Envy for a cold pilzen and survey of the 2023 vibe. My first impression was that there are more young FL girls walking the street than during my last visit (early out of covid), and lots of good looking ones! (Of course, lots of hot LBs on the prowl too, so had to sharpen my skills at distinguishing friend from foe). There were a bunch of 20 somethings sitting alone at Envy, cafe M next door, and standing (often amidst LBs). I was tempted by a few but the FL scene is not my best game (though on my list of new year's resolutions), so I decided to take a quick stroll to initiate myself and then ad lib it.

I went out to Perimeter road, still thinking I might meet that 20 yr old for a drink at Margarita, but it was 10:1 male to female so didn't go in. On the way there, however, there was a lovely lady trying to pull customers into Insomnia, and I promised her I'd stop back in, which I did. I tried to work her on the way in, she's upper 30's and MCOT, but she was all (friendly) business. Apparently she's good at what she does, because when I stepped inside I couldn't even find a free seat. The stage was full of about 8 girls and lots of others on guys' laps. The quality, at a glance, seemed okish, so I opted to come back another time. Hope to get a chance with the outside door lady.

Next stop was Brown Sugar. I hit a big score there during my summer trip and was hoping I might bump into that barely legal one again, but it was awfully grim inside. (Korean boss outside was still friendly enough.) Just a few customers and a handful of 30 somethings sitting on little benches behind the stage, not even pretending to dance, move, flirt, or care. Most of them had sashes around the bellies, which is a dead giveaway for unwanted flab, but there was one with darker skin who was quite hot and with eyes on fire. Also another 1 or 2 on guys laps that seemed good, but I didn't see my summer heart throb or anything near her age, and the atmosphere was just to suppressive, so I bolted (will drop back again this week).

Next on to Fields and my first stop was Atlantis. I like the places with upper floors so the I can hide away and voyeur like a menacing vulture (well, in my own dreams maybe. More like kind of a masturbatory fascination I want to get my drink money's worth admiring the flesh from a distance and then step up to the BF reality if I can snap myself out of my voyeuring glance.) So I took a stool on the upper floor (damned MILF staff were all occupying the best seats and doing nothing but obstructing my view, of course don't bother making things smoother for the customer. He might just add to your coffers, after all.). Similar to my recollection from last summer, the lineup wasn't that impressive. I think my beer was around 120 and quoted LDs around 220. I tried really hard to take my time and find 1 or 2 that would constitute a 9 (out of 10), but was struggling to find even 7's and 8's. First, they're mostly late 20's to late 30's. Second, they all had some extra belly fat, and I really want to go for a step above. I targeted a couple possibilities (number 105, I recall), but I found myself more enthralled by the popcorn helping to whet my thirst than any go go girl-induced salivating. A few tried to massage me or sit down and chat with me, but I'm totally averse to that (basically just telling them politely to get lost and let me objectify in private). It was turning past 11 by this time, and my experience tells me to keep moving, seek and ye shall find. The last straw was when they had some super lame dance troupe start a choreographed routine (and very badly the Filipinas aren't as choreographically inclined as they are musically so.) So I up and outed, but will return this week.

A few steps down the strip and my heart raced when I saw Dollhouse, recalling a tall 20 year from there that I ravaged on my last trip. Again, there were lots of girls in the house and on the floor, and the ground level was fairly busy with guys, but I went upstairs and had the entire 1 f to myself. Oddly, there wasn't even a waitress or hostess to lead me up. I seated myself for maximum voyeuring position (though the damned railing gets in the way of the best ones on stage), and had to wave down someone on the ground floor to send a waitress up so I could order a beer. (BTW, I'd set out to pace myself better, fully prepared to leave half empty or near full beers so that I wouldn't over intoxicate as I maneuvered through the lanes.).

I'd say the general Dollhouse vibe was not bad in terms of somewhat attractive girls. There were about 10 on stage standing around the rounded edge, each taking turns doing solo gyration in the center. There were several who caught my eye, though each with possible flaws to beware of:

-Possibility 1 was this extremely cute, sexy, flashy, petite girl with longish dyed hair; nicely shaped body but just a tad stocky around the mid section (not fat, I looked hard and determined that it was tight, just a little big in the hip frame). She loved shaking that ass and was certain to provide a fun night. Reminded me of my beloved female college buddies. (Though she seemed to just be having fun with her mates, not making eyes with the crowd at all.).

-#2 was a tall very attractive slender woman, extremely tight belly and long hair, with nice long legs. I was fixated on her for a while, but the ass seemed a bit out of proportion (though not bad, she was still an 8. 5). But she (like many of the women there, who seemed to resent the fact that they need to be engaged in this shit) appeared to have an attitude issue. She was a bit stuck on herself and not making eye contact. So she was back burnered.

-#3 was a very beautiful, medium height, short haired girl, mid 20's, wearing a white bikini. She kept checking me out but seemed to shake her head no at one point (still kept making eyes after that). The problem with her was that I could only see her front side. She had a very nice shape but just a tiny bit of belly fat (I wanted near perfection). When she exited the stage I tried to get a glance of her ass (I was suspicious that there might be more imperfection), but I couldn't get a good look. A few minutes later, they had an open extravaganza where all the girls get on stage and just dick around, trying to get guys to decide on their targets. 3 came back up but she had a damned green scarf around her waist now which covered her ass. I fixated on her for 10 minutes trying to get a glance and failing to telepathize my desire for the scarf to come undone. At one point she started to untie and I thought "finally! But no, she was only resecuring it. Shit!

-#4 was the hottest one I'd seen to that point all night. During the extravaganza, she had her back to me but her taller mate tried to point her out to me from below. I waved it off because they were both wearing these geeky stockings and ugly pool sandals. But then the petite one stepped out in front and turned around. MCOT! Coco the guerilla is in love! Beautiful face, long hair, tiny frame, absolutely no belly fat, but wearing jean shorts so couldn't see how round the buttocks were (I'm shameless, I know). And she was actually playing around having fun! I started to veer toward her in the BF department, but then she did what I hate the most. In the midst of the fun, she did this big yawwwwwwwwnnnnnn. And I thought, hell, that was going to be a short night.

-#5 So I started veering back toward #1 thinking she had the most palatable of faults, and it was close to midnight. When all the sudden I noticed this new girl -- 5'2" & 46 kgs) with her back to me wearing black lingerie and a fucking smoking hot ass and legs. She had long, bobbing bleach blondish hair, and when she turned around (probably the best dancer out there), she had an equally tight belly (with belly piercing, my fantasy! Nicely shaped legs and waist, perfect row of white smiling teeth, cute round forehead and cheekbones, and she was a fucking sex dancer, while having lots of fun and energy. It took me all of 15 seconds to say "that's the one" but there was no waitress to be found! I had to reposition myself to the center top and finally got one to come up and she lasered the girl to come up. 5 (named "the") was immediately friendly, flirty, and fun, with great English. She heartily ordered her LD (Red Horse because it is stronger), not cheap at 300 (my beer was 150) and told me that it was her 8th beer of the evening, and that she loved to drink at work every night. (How can she down so much beer and stay so thin?) We finished only a few sips and I wanted to BF immediately. She seemed to want to chat a bit first, but quoted her BF at 5000 (she was definitely top tier of Dollhouse). It's a bit inflated but I'm sick of nicking for pennies and dimes after the past month, so I said fuck yes, hurry and finish your drink, and let's vamoose. So I paid my 5600 (BF + 1 LD + 2 beers) and waited for her to change.

When she came back, I was pleasantly surprised. She wasn't wearing anything conspicuously slutty to add to the walk of shame. Instead, she changed out of her long leg boots and into what looked like an office ladies outfit (conservative winter dress buttoned to the top and low heeled shoes). She held my hand as we went out and bid her LB mamasan, who was standing outside the front door, farewell. We got about half a block down when I told her that my hotel had a strict registration policy (which I like a lot), and she told me that mamasan kept the IDs. Mm. Anyway, no worries, we turned around and went back and mamasan was ok with giving her the ID (who knows if it was really hers). So easy hand off at the hotel desk and up we go. Thinking we'd jump straight to the shower (the little mongering 3rd leg was horny), instead she went to the fridge to grab a San Mig Lite. Ok.

My room is nice room with a great view, but I opted for no sofa (not really using it last time), so she sat herself on the desk chair and I awkwardly stood over her as we chatted (very pleasantly) over our beers. I'm a roasting fiend, and she noticed the box of home roasted cashews and tamari almonds that I'the packed sitting on the desk. She went straight for them and gobbed as we chatted (they are god damned good, I admit). Then she wanted a smoke but mine is a no-smoking room with strict 25 k peso fine for violating (even on the balcony). So we had to go down to the front of the building and more awkwardly chat over her cig in front of the 2 door guards and 2 other foreign guys hanging about. I started to sense a little bit of the princess stretching game, just checking to see if I can stay cool as she hinders my rapid motion. Ok, no problem. And equally weird when we got into the elevator with one of the foreign guys who happens to be my room neighbor. Just at that moment she starts acting drunk and a bit strange, but only for show in front of him. (he was cool about it.).

Back in the room, and back down to business! At that point, I insisted it was shower time, and I wasn't disappointed as she disrobed. Damned fine specimen she is, with more tattoos than I'd noticed before. But felt great to spread that shower gel over her tiny breast, amazing 24 year old skin, and down between the fantastic little ass rumps. I was rock hard of course and had to keep myself from invading in the shower. Turned off the lights and the balcony window provided ample background lighting from the AC lights nearby. She suddenly got serious about the sex act and after some DFK in front of the window she went straight on all 4's on the bed and arched that little ass in front of my face. I got on my knees and slowly slurped between vag and anus (her light grunts were genuine enough). She said she loved being DATYd, and that I did for a good while (slurp slurp slurp). I wanted to keep doing that, but got so excited and wanted to see her BBBJ skills. So on to my back went and she really took charge. She took my knees in her palms and pushed them back toward my shoulders, and with great definition eyed me as she positioned herself so she could rim me then lick upwards to the golden balls and beyond. Fucking great BBBJ skills. (Says she's from Pisay and only been doing this in AC for 8 months but loves her freedom, partying, and everything involved I believe it. She also makes shitloads of money so bought her mom a shop to tend back home. They think she's a waitress here LOL.).

From there, I went back down on her for a while but we were both getting too horny and I inserted first mish then the side. I love to help prop up her head from behind so she can see my monster drilling into her while I press into her 2 nipples with my left hand thumb and pinky. I tried to hold it back for several minutes with some success but had to see how my rod would look lodged between her buttocks. She stretched her arms forward as I doggied her and then hooked my arms around her shoulders from behind so that my fists almost hit my face as I pounded. From there it didn't take long to finish, my mess dribbling over her ass and pussy. But to my surprise it wasn't finished yet.

She was still horny.

So just as I half collapsed behind her, she turned on her back and started playing with herself, rubbing her clit with her fingers and moaning a bit. I took the cue and at first catbathed her from her left kneecap down to her ankle. When I started licking her foot she let out a big moan and picked up her finger motion. I got even more excited when I started sucking her freshly showered toes and she really started gyrating. (Shit these Pinay girls love their sex! So I next took my left middle finger (I have big hands). And inserted it into her. My finger's a good 4+ inches so I could easily jam it repeatedly on the tip of her g spot and do circles around, under, and behind it. She upped her vocalism, so I added my tongue into the action, trying to lick any voids between her and my fingers. She briefly went crazy and then there was like 15 seconds of silence. Suddenly, I felt the shower of droplets on my left forearm extending up close to my shoulder.

She squirted all over my arm. Fucking hot!

From this point, the night completely changed. She was suddenly lifeless and fell into deep sleep. Before doing so, I tried to check and see when she needed to leave in the morning and when I could expect round 2. She didn't seem very interested, but warned me that her AC routine was insomniac after work til 4 am, sleeping 12 hours straight 4 am to 4 pm, then back to work at 6, having replenished her energy. Her meaning was that she wanted to crash at my place all day. I didn't really want that. I'the prefer a monstrous morning shag around 7 or 8 then get rid of her so I can sleep alone a few more hours before my coffee and swim.

What was worse was that she snored like a chainsaw. Worse than my grandpa! It kept me up half the night. And when I tried to fondle the crack between her buttocks in the morning, she slapped me off and moved away. I started to wonder if this was going to become contentious, like she wouldn't honor the 2 shot bargain. She slept, and slept, and slept, and slept. Finally at 11:15 I was like, fuck this, I'm making my coffee and granola. But just as I took my first sip, she awoke, got up for the toilet, and dutifully plopped her tender, taut little ass back on the bed and let me do my thing for round 2. Seeing that youthful tight flesh in the morning light rejuvenated me, and it was only a minute or so in mish then sidewinder before I shot it on her.

All good, she let me take some photos for general appreciation. Enjoy! I tipped her a few hundred for being a decent sport in the morning (though nothing like the voracious apetite at night). And she was off. The front desk checked with a call before letting her go (glad to have that security). Hope I can provide some more gruesome details in the coming days, and may well drop by Dollhouse for another romp with the before the week's end.

[Coolie High]

GREAT reporting Volterra. Much thanks for sharing your story. P.S. She's definitely a cutie. Nice pic.

[LoveItHere69]

There are not any large cities in Samar to meet girls discreetly. Let alone a hotel in the small villages. Most girls will not meet a foreigner in a hotel. The major town is Tacloban with an airport which you could meet a girl. Most province villages will be 1-3+ hours away by van or bus. I doubt they will come to meet you for monger activities.

When they are recruited it is for a "waitress" or "sales lady" job in the big city probably Manila or Cebu. That is the story to the families. Most know it will be as a dancer in AC but probably not fully aware of all the job duties. But being in a financial bind and willing to help the family they will go.

The supply system in place works fine.Sadly, Tacloban is on the island of Leyte not Samar. But very close.

Population comparison.

Catbalogan 110,000.

Calbayog 200,000.

Angeles City 460,000.

Foreigners do not go to Samar. It is the poorest large island so will have bad roads and poor internet service. Haha sound familiar? But worse than AC. So their restaurants and hotels will be very sub-par. As a foreigner you will stick out and I am sure the locals can guess the reason you are there since they are not known for their beaches. The girls are shy and will not meet with you alone the first time. Your chance of scoring the first time is very slim. More likely your third date.

I took a tour 9 years ago through some islands. The bus going through Samar happened to be at night when I went through Catbalogan which I was going to visit for a few days and then Calbalogan for a few days. But I did not see anything going through the city notifying me it was a larger city. There was nothing at the bus stop like you see at other bus stops with people all around and food and drinks for sale. I did not get off and went straight through the island. I should have stopped in each city for at least 2 days but did not feel like searching for a hotel in the middle of the night.

Here is how to think about it and this will answer all your questions as to why. Picture AC without The Base (jobs) and without Fields Avenue (women, hotels, restaurants). Now get rid of 55% of the population. Why in the hell are you in AC now?

[AsianPursuits]

One 20 yr old (May) said she was "having her period" but maybe we could meet next week. Then (predictably). 30 minutes later she says she's at Fields and do I want to meet up. She's the type to call / video call out of the blue, so we kept missing each other's video call (I didn't want to waste time if she's NMCOT). We never met up, but she said she was at Hammer (FL disco next to Envy), and I saw other young civilian-looking girls go in there, so I'll give that a gander soon.Does this girl's number end in 910 ie +63 xxx xxxx x910?

I'm glad you didn't meet her. I want her to stay fresh for me.

[NapaSlapper]

Saturday night, had planned on a night in, live in girlfriend had gone out with her friends to the movies, had got bored home alone so phoned a few pals and headed out for a few drinks with them.

1st call atlantis bar, walked in and it seemed quiet for both punters and girls, where once this bar had 200 girls working on any given night we were now down to maybe 25 girls, mostly older, one girl stood out though, not a stunner but not too bad either, problem is she was sitting on a table surrounded by young koreans,1 beer and we were on our way out.

Club xs, bit more lively, more punters and more girls, we were the only westerners in the others were koreans, probably 35 girls in tonight, out of the 35 girls 2 were ok, fairly young, fairly slim and ok face, my friend had spotted the same 2 girls and was trying to get their attention to come down for a drink but he seemed invisible to them, their attention was on the 4 young koreans who had just entered the bar and sure enough the koreans had no problem in getting their attention, full of smiles the girls joined them at their table, we had looked around for other possibilities but not much quality to choose from.

Avalon bar, I like this bar, its nicely decorated, great air con, and some professional dance shows, again about 35-40 girls many sitting drinking with punters (koreans) but there were a couple of just ok girls not drinking so my 2 buddies had called them down for a drink,300 pesos for a lady drink that came in a rather small glass, the girls seemed friendly and engaging,2nd drink ordered for the girls and it was time to ask the barfine question, both girls quoted 5,000 pesos short time, what did short time mean my friends had inquired, was 2 hours 2 pops possible? No short time was 1 round, max 1 hour, does that include blow job? No, just straight covered sex was included, my friends had declined, to be honest even long time with this quality of girl would have been expensive but 1 hour and no blow job was a total rip off IMHO.

Friends had wanted to carry on drinking at more bars to see if they could get laid long time, I had decided to leave and call it a night and head home.

In summing up, popped our heads in to a few bars without staying for a drink due to very few girls working, of the bars we did have a drink there were a few ok girls, no stunners and mostly the better lookers were already seated with koreans, one of the things I use to like in angeles is that it was full of girls with no ink on their skin, now most girls are covered in such, just a big red flag for me, also many girls are lets say on the large size, not easy to find my type of girls which are 18-22 years, slim, attractive, no baby and of course not covered in body ink.

[Goferring]

-#3 was a very beautiful, medium height, short haired girl, mid 20's, wearing a white bikini. She kept checking me out but seemed to shake her head no at one point (still kept making eyes after that). The problem with her was that I could only see her front side..A great report!!

Here's a pro tip for next time. If people, a bar or anything else is blocking your view of a girl that you are interested in, then just look at her arms. Any girl with toned arms will have a flat belly and tight ass. Conversely, any one with out will have baby fat and lack of tone.

It's taken decades of research, sitting at bars world wide to prove my thesis. 😜

Enjoy. G.

[Dg8787]

A great report!!

Here's a pro tip for next time. If people, a bar or anything else is blocking your view of a girl that you are interested in, then just look at her arms. Any girl with toned arms will have a flat belly and tight ass. Conversely, any one with out will have baby fat and lack of tone.

It's taken decades of research, sitting at bars world wide to prove my thesis. 😜

Enjoy. G.Great tip.

Might I add. If everything else is nice but they have a Jollibee belly or baby belly then just doggie them. You can't tell. A friend once told me to never turn them down, just turn them over! LOL.

[Dg8787]

We are in the same boat.

But sadly AC is for sure not the place for that!

Its mostly smelly pussy there, so DATY is no option.Once you get passed the smell you got it licked!

[Radical Guy]

Once you get passed the smell you got it licked!That's why I prefer province pussy. A bit more work, but smells like roses and tastes like honey.

[Volterra]

A great report!!

Here's a pro tip for next time. If people, a bar or anything else is blocking your view of a girl that you are interested in, then just look at her arms. Any girl with toned arms will have a flat belly and tight ass. Conversely, any one with out will have baby fat and lack of tone.

It's taken decades of research, sitting at bars world wide to prove my thesis. 😜

Enjoy. G.That's interesting. I do check out arms in relation to the rest, but never led with it. I'm going to start putting that to the test in about 4 hours and see how it goes this week. Thanks.

[Volterra]

Does this girl's number end in 910 ie +63 xxx xxxx x910?

I'm glad you didn't meet her. I want her to stay fresh for me.Are you sure she's staying fresh anyway? I kind of presume that I'm at least guy #2 for the day, and I shower them extensively. Anyway, it seems that she's a Hammer / Mega regular, so I guess she sits herself at Envy or nearby every night. Glad you enjoy her!

[Volterra]

Faltering Saturday night in AC, despite the nice day after 2 hot Friday orgasms. After swim, long nap, strong coffee and hearty ribs meal, I was going to take an alternate track for Saturday evening. Had my first margarita in years around 10 at Tequila (would finish with another at Margarita 5 hours later) and then went to poke around at some of the Korean clubs before planning to check out Hammer and Mega (first time for me).

The far end of Walking St was rather quiet. Dragon Bar had absolutely nothing outside but a few milfy looking, underdressed ladies. Walked past Viking but just nothing impressive there. I wandered into XS out of curiosity, and hell, it was full of dozens of girls, and lots of them were hot! The place is chaotic, but even the 2nd floor was hopping. On stage must have been 25+ girls, and I counted at least 10 that I would classify as 8's and 9's all just standing there and none of them getting taken. I didn't ask BF prices yet (but will certainly go back at least once this week), but I guess that one problem stems from them mostly wearing long, semi see through gowns over their mini / shorts and belly shirts. They look fashionable but you really have to peer closely to get a sense of their shape. I spent lots of time doing this and concluded that many were very impressive tight bellies, shapely asses, very attractive faces and hair styles. Even the less desirable ones were not really fat (more like 7's). I was surprised they were going like flies, but there weren't that many guys in the place either (though the GF was fairly full just so many girls there competing with each other). There was also this funky dance troupe with some wild bleach blonde hotties. And a number of girls who did show their flesh without gowns unfortunately had caked on tons of makeup and had the current wacky hair styles, so you couldn't really tell how pretty they really were. I didn't put any bids in because I wanted to see the FL scene, especially on Saturday when there might be students and office ladies out. But I'll be back to XS soon and often.

I made my way to Hammer just before midnight. It was getting fairly full, but I didn't know what to expect and discovered, to my disappointment, that it's just one of these lounge clubs completely filled with tables for groups absolutely no designated dance space (you just kind of get up and move anywhere), and even less than no space for mingling. They were going to seat me at a table by myself (probably then share it), but it was loud and I just didn't imagine much opportunity forming to seek out FLs there. (Maybe you guys have found success there. Hope to hear about it.).

So I went next door downstairs to Mega. It was rocking and quite full, but really only a little better in terms of layout. Still mainly tables and aisles and small dance floor. Music is techno, NMCOT, and even though there's a "bar" there, it's mainly for ordering and not for mingling. There were small groups of young women, and I could tell that many were civilian freelancers. I hung out for one beer and tried to situation myself for later mingling, but I was not allowed up to the one spot where I wanted to stand and chase (staff didn't explain why). Then they have this ridiculous "show" where 4 dancers get spotlighted (they're not very good), the crowd stands and videotapes them, and this group of young ladies walk in a row around the place with these electric candles that all spell out something. It's supposed to be cool, but really just thoroughly lame and distracts from what everyone really wants to do, which is mingle and find someone to hook up with. So I left, but might give it another shot on a weeknight. (A couple hours later I ran into an FL in front of Margarita who said she saw me at Mega. I'm like, why the fuck didn't you talk to me then? We could be banging each other in my room right now.).

It was only around 12:30 and I was dismayed by the unfortunate atmosphere at these 2 places. (I prefer live music joints with FLs hanging out and dancing for easy approaches.) So I decided to check out some other less familiar go go bars, but many were already shutting down or slowing down. Insomnia had 0 dancers and just 2 girls near the entrance (a few others with customers), pass. Nothing at Brown Sugar. Checked out Chocolate but it already closed. (That place can be pathetic, but just once in a while might have one decent girl to violate.) Geckos was closed. Avoided Dollhouse because I BFd there the night before. Ventured into Lollipops, and that was actually hopping and good rowdy atmosphere. But I had to share one side with another guy (sorry nothing personal, but I'm looking for pussy). On the other side was a tall attractive "lady" (still not sure if LB or not) who was trying to tag on with a girl getting treated to chicken wings by an older gentleman. (he was very popular, and the girls on stage were hungry, they all went at his chicken like roosters.) She tried to nudge me to talk to her but I gave her the cold shoulder and didn't bother to even look until later when she got up and danced. She actually looked hot, but ever so suspicious that she might be an LB. There were a few homelier (in a good way, like the kind you want to get dirty and slimy with) girls on stage, and I was thinking of asking one down, but I decided to press on for late night exploits.

I checked out Champagne, which was not to be taken seriously. It was full, but all the ladies were milfs, and none even close to attractive that I could tell. I ordered a beer but didn't even touch it. I immediately paid and left. (All my beers through the evening were around 140-150 and margaritas around 190-200). By this time it was around 2 and I wasn't sensing any opportunity. I was going to give up and head back to my room to catch up on beauty sleep. But I had also been exploring a few other apps that I use elsewhere in Asia (Tdr / Skout / Wechat).

I know that Wechat is mainly LBs in PH, but there are a few girls that serve the Chinese clients, and I was trying to weed out the LBs so that I could home in on the chicks. I thought I found one who was just getting off work from her bar, so we made a plan to meet at another bar for a drink to check each other out. It was already 2:30 when we met up. And while she was not as thin as her photos, she basically looked good (pics were very good). But once we got close, I started feeling that instinctive suspicion in me, and lo and behold, once she uttered her first words, her deep raspy voice betrayed something other than a feminine gem. I immediately mentioned her voice and she claimed it was from talking over music to clients all night (and she was drunk, as well). I mean, my little boy was screaming for action, and she basically looked good, but I'm not into dick at all.

This relates to the AC thread on ISG from this past week on how to deal with LBs. We all know it's a catch 22 at this point, when you're not 100% sure either way. If it really is a girl and you ask "Are you 100% female?" to their face, you're likely ruining your chance for the night with her. If you ask and it's an LB, they still might deceive you and beat around the Bush (which this one did). Maybe they will reveal themselves verbally later before you get your big dick shock. If you're lucky, they will just tell you when you first ask. This one took a bit of pulling before I got the truth, and indeed, "she" turned out to be "he". Very convincing natural process, with (according to him) very little hormonal intervention. But I didn't want to stick around for too many details. So alas, tired and out of motivation, I had to go home to sleep alone, since it was past 3 am. Good to know there are a few 24 hour joints where you can still pursure your last chance. (One of those places is next to my hotel. I awoke at 7 am listening to the screaming partygoers there, still partying hard at 7! Good on why'all!

So 3 main takeaways from last night:

1. Saturday / weekend doesn't guarantee great action here.

2. Based on my experience, persistence usually pays off by the end of the evening, but unfortunately, not always.

3. If you do meet the potential evening's partner in person (or on video call / chats / etc) and encounter any substantial suspicion, do not hesitate to raise it immediately. Even if you offend them, they might well let it go and have a good one with you. But for the LBs, you've got to take the "bull by the balls" and call them out politely but immediately so that you can ward off worse things later.

Hope to get back on the winning track soon and let why'all know. Happy hunting.

[Sir Lancelot]

Hope I can provide some more gruesome details in the coming days...Your reports are really well written and I enjoyed the photos too. I look forward to reading more.


Ditto to Sir Lancelot whose publications on Cambodia and Indonesia were particularly helpful to me a few years back! Welcome back, buddy!That seems a long time ago! I'm glad you found them helpful. Funnily enough, I met a freelancer in Pattaya in November with the biggest tits I've seen in Asia. Naturally I thought of you! There's a pic of her in one of my posts:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2771541&viewfull=1#post2771541

[D Cups]

Your reports are really well written and I enjoyed the photos too. I look forward to reading more.

That seems a long time ago! I'm glad you found them helpful. Funnily enough, I met a freelancer in Pattaya in November with the biggest tits I've seen in Asia. Naturally I thought of you! There's a pic of her in one of my posts:
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http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2771541&viewfull=1#post2771541Yowza! I got to get my ass back to Thailand! Thanks, buddy!

[Volterra]

Following my Saturday night fiasco that I reported on yesterday, I redeemed myself (until the next failure) with a top notch BF / shag from Gecko. Sunday was easy going I slept in late; extra dense coffee on the balcony watching AC families head back from church; early afternoon wakeup swim followed by gym workout; chatting up girls on mobile apps (traffic wasn't good over the weekend but seems to have picked up now that a bunch of dudes have left) (and I was too forthcoming about my "just short term fun" intentions, so wasn't getting many playful bites as I hoped, though they are picking up today) before banging out the short ISG report; then an extra long, rockulacious nap before another coffee. This got me back on track for a Sunday night revenge run.

I got to tell you dudes one thing: I love to fuck on Sunday nights. I have built this habit over years of living in different Asian cities, where I learned that girls with 9 to 5 day jobs are desperate to squeeze out some extra weekend heat before they have to switch back to Monday blues mode. This has given me countless Sunday eve bang sessions with hot Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Filipina / Indo helpers, etc over 20 years most for free or the cost of a cheap drink or dinner. I can tell you with confidence that Sunday night Asian pussy has become more than just a habit forming drug. Even if I tell myself on Sunday morning that I'm not horny and going to just have a chill day, by late afternoon my libido is on fire. At least this was the case until my age and prolonged covid caught up to me the last couple years.

So my randy Sunday instinct was looming in the back of my balls as I first checked out ABC around 7:30 (too early and too swanky stuffy for this depraved fellow, though I'll drop back some night after 10 later in the week, as informed by the astounding reception girl there) and then headed for a hearty German meal of schnitzel to help fuel my comeback. But I ate too much and was so stuffed that I needed to drop back to the hotel to digest for 30 minutes before searching for my first warmup spot. Back on Perimeter and Fields, it was definitely Sunday chill vibe compared to the rowdy 2 nights before. Not many people out, so I didn't even bother with a warmup beer at Envy. Instead I walked straight onto Fields and into Geckos, which had already closed up by midnight Saturday. (A lot of you guys know that Gecko is a daytime / early night joint, with 2 shifts of girls working from noon and 3 pm. I'm not really into daylight mongering, but who knows if I won't try some afternoon delight.).

Now I don't know about you, but it seems that I'm the unluckiest SOB in the world when it comes to being seated at a bar or restaurant. I never get the good spot, and all the few cushy lounge tables were occupied, so I got stuck near the entrance on a stool with no back and partially obstructed stage view caused by the dudes sitting at the stage bar. There were around 10 girls all in black bikinis on stage, and while none were spring chickens, they all had a medium healthy 30's aura to them. There was also another set of girls in full dresses sitting around, some with guys. They seemed to be designated hostesses. (One sitting near me tried to chat me up when her boys left, but I was cold as ice and just wanted to voyeur by myself.) Overall, my first impression was better than expected.

The quality of girls was a step better than Lollipops next door (as well as Insomnia and Brown Sugar) and many steps better than the Champagne MILFs and Viking girls.

One girl caught my eye immediately and held my attention for my first 2 beers. "JA" was the one of 10 on stage who really stuck out 34 years old, 2 kids, only the slightest sign of post maternity flab (we are talking millimeters), 5'1, 48 kgs, long black shiny hair but extra full (not just the flat, dead, silky type), big frequent smile with a row of perfectly polished white teeth, very attractive face, no double chin, lighter skin, large natural (C-the cupper) breasts, and a very slim waist that Vs out upward to athletic shoulders and downward to rock star thighs and shapely legs. Beyond physical features, she also radiated personality (unlike virtually all of her colleagues). She was funny, flirty, sexy, gyrating, grinding, talking buddy buddy like to customers, interacting with other girls just really led the entire stage vibe, and I could see that plenty of the guys were also focused on her.

I didn't really go out with a plan for the evening, I just really had one intent: Get back on track ASAP after the dreary Saturday pickings and the near debacle of encountering that (unexpected and unwanted) LB from 3 am.

So even though Gecko was meant to be merely the warm up drink for the night, I found myself really taking to this little bar. It wasn't too loud, wasn't too crazy, a little intimate, a bit mid 20th century holdover character, and gave me good opportunity to chill with my beers and get an extended closeup view of the girls on hand. I almost cashed in after my first beer, but ordered a second and continued to check out JA even as I noticed that there were several other girls that met my bottom line criteria. I wasn't out for a 9 or 10 that night, but Gecko had a good 4 or 5 that were 7. 5-8. 5 (JA is 8.5), all what I would describe as fit and sexy mid 30's ladies. So I started to consider the merits of an early BF for the evening, not wanting to drag on like I did the night before.

In addition to JA, there were a few standing / half dancing at the other end of stage:

-#1 was on same first dance shift. Smoking hot Chinese MILF face and hair, mid to late 30's, short and shapely, but just a bit more of a bulge at the tummy than I prefer; I back burnered her as last resort (7.5 of 10), but would have gleefully BFd her so I could kiss that Chinese face as I manhandled her petite body.

-#2 was this tall lady, mid 30's, with a stunningly beautiful Chinese face, fair skin and long black hair. Shit she was sexy! Didn't move much, but very tight upper body and nice belly. I would have leapt at her were it not for the slightly rotund area just below her waist. She wasn't fat, and the ass wasn't sagging, it was just a bit suddenly disproportionate having just ogled those shoulders, torso, and belly. She's an 8, and I would have gladly pounded her to perdition. She was a solid alternate.

-#3 turned out to have the best body in the place. I say "turned out" because she came on the scene a bit late, wasn't dancing at first, and was just standing at the opposite end and frequently going upstairs to their dressing room. It wasn't until I'd committed to someone else that she took center stage with a new set of just 4 girls. Of the 4 toppers, she had the slender body, absolutely no fat, medium boobs, nice ass, milky fair skin, but face just wasn't as pretty as JA-1-2. She was an 8.5. And she, like 1 and 2, didn't show much personality or desire. Had I waited another 15 minutes before inviting someone to me table, I would have gone with her just for sheer body worship.

But as it turned out, JA held my attention, and she was getting more attention from other dudes. One older gent came in and sat himself at the stage bar right in front of her. She started chatting with him even as she continued to flirt (she and I had been making funny faces at each other for a while). Seems that were on familiar terms. That's when I first made my list of priorities among JA and 1-3, but I could sense that if I really wanted JA, I was going to need to act soon, because she wouldn't stay available long. So I seized a momentary lapse in the stage action and had the manager bring her to my table.

My impression was mixed at first. She suddenly wasn't as playful as she had been on stage. Rather serious with really good English. But ordered a beer for her LD (don't know how she can keep that nice belly downing beers every night) to clink with my 3rd Pilzen. It felt a bit awkward trying to talk to her, and I wasn't sure I had made the right choice. But we managed decent conversation and she was attractive up close, so half a beer in and I proposed the bar fine. She said she wasn't obligated to go with everyone, but she was available to go with me 4000 pesos for overnight, she would need to leave around 7 am (perfect for me, it was only 10:15 at this point) and yes we would have 2 sessions before / after sleep (turns out later it was more like 3 the first one was really 1 A and 1 be over the course of an hour, with short break in the middle). When I asked about limitations, she asked "what do you want to do?" before saying only that she doesn't take it in the ass. (Not a problem for me.) When I asked if she likes to kiss and be kissed everywhere, I could tell from her face that she suddenly took a liking to me. I was going to find out real soon just how good that would all turn out.

She went upstairs to change and came back down in the skimpiest of peach colored, 1-piece skin tight "dress" if you can call it that, and sexy sandals. Shit we got attention walking down the street. Almost to the hotel, and she forgot her phone at the base of the stage! (Seems she needs to text her mum and 2 young kids back in the province a lot.) No worries, we walked back to grab it and were back on my balcony in minutes. That's where all my possible doubts dissipated. Once I started kissing her neck, she turned around and started giving me the sweetest, wettest DFKs I could imagine. (Those weren't going to stop till she left at 7 am.) A bit of fondling each others private parts and off to the shower we went.

I mainly planned to just scrub her clean as I got to know her contours all very agreeable to me. But I got hit with my first lightning bolt when she bent over and started blowing my LB in the shower. This was not just a token BBBJ, but she kept going (deep throat) and going (deep throat) and going (deep throat) and going. I mean this chick can suck cock like the best of the Pinay porn I've seen! It was fucking heaven and an unusually long shower. I was getting tired of trying to keep her long hair from getting wet (wanting to grab her dry hair once in the act), so eventually got us out, dried off, and in to bed with only city view lights shining in the full length window.

Here I started kissing her breasts, each interspersed with a juicy DFK (deep deep soft tonguing). This chick was really turning me on. There had not been any sense of "transaction" with her the whole night. It was all hot 1st date GFE, and like so many Filipina girls, she loves her sex even if she's earning her livelihood. So I gradually went down her stomach and heard her high pitch squeaks as I got to her pussy. It was already wet! Men, I slurped that from every angle, direction, and circular motion that my feeble mind could think of, taking turns to lick that clean rectum below. There was no hurry with either of us, just that the more excited I got, the more I remembered her insane BBBJ from the shower. I needed more of that.

So back on her knees and fuck she went for my balls, licking, sucking, side flicking (with the side of her tongue). I was getting loud and wondered if my neighbor was in. (Yes, he was about 30 minutes later when I was on top of her pounding like crazy as I grabbed her breasts, my king size bed started knocking frenetically into the wall. I heard him making noises back on the other side in irritation). The thing with this girl is that every single millimeter of mouth and tongue motion is measured with slow rhythm, precision and intention. She instinctively radiates sex with everything she does, and she did it every time she took LB deep down the throat. This mutual oral foreplay went on a good 20 minutes or so.

Then she mounted herself on top.

Shit, all that stage gyration came back to life. She just dug in deep and arched her back as she jerked to and fro like a freak. I am not the most well endowed guy on earth (just kind of medium big, I'd say), but she got me up to my max length, and my tip was popping against her g spot. I had wondered how full her large breast would feel when I had seen her on stage, and they were medium firm, very nice nipples protruding, all which made grabbing her and watching her tight gyrating belly a good accompaniment to what was going on inside. It was fucking steaming. Turned her on her back and went in from the side, and then doggie before going back and pounding her mish. But after all this, and even though rock hard, I could not cum. A 45 minutes had passed, and we were both covered in my sweat. So we went in for the 2nd shower and back to bed.

I needed a break and we just lay there for a little bit. It is not the first time I failed to shoot on cue and it was so good I was not worried at all. But JA, in her own subtle manner, wanted me to have the happy climax, So she started to kiss with with those juicy lips again. I mean her kisses can really ignite the furnace! LB was back up and inside (she was wet again) and this time straight to prolonged doggie boning. On stage, her bikini bottom had tight straps and made her ass look just the slightest bit bubbly, but not in bed. On her hands and knees and those buns were round and firm. I went crazy in this position and finally blasted a major gusher all over her ass and down her left leg. Wiped that up and back for the 3rd shower! With that, we fell asleep shortly after midnight.

I was so satisfied that when I woke just before 6, I was telling myself that I didn't even need round 2. But then she woke up and inched closer toward me. Once I got a feel of that soft shiny flesh, LB had other ideas. Up he went into fully cocked stature, and wouldn't you guess it, she knew exactly how to stroke him gently first thing in the morning. More lushy DFK and she was back on her knees with another frightfully long, good morning BBBJ. Then I was back into her, again she was already wet. The next 30 minutes were just a haze of kissing, stroking, squeezing, drilling. But the memorable night was capped off when I went back to mish position, rock hard, and grabbed her calves as I picked her up. Without any hesitation, she instinctively arched her back (only the back of her head touching the bed), and I then grabbed the back of her waist with her legs dangling over my arms, just drilling for several minutes like there is no tomorrow. Finished, expended, and all sessions completed with perfect timing, we just did some final DFK, and she was happy to be photographed in the morning light. (Enjoy the photos, gents.) Another quick shower for her, 500 peso tip happily placed in her hand (extremely well deserved) and a call from the reception desk as she left shortly after 7. Back to sleep for me till past 11 and ready for my sunny AC Monday!

Just an aside here the 24 hour Korean resto-bar behind my hotel is a fucking party fest. JA and I were in the middle of our morning shag and we heard the screams of drunken young Korean guys and there even younger Filipina hostesses still carousing! It wasn't the first night (I have heard those screams at 7 am every morning) and it was not finished yet. Those guys did not leave until after 8 am this morning! One guy was so drunk the tricycle drivers did not want to have to deal with him. (Shit, if I were a 28 year old Korean guy, I would be back in Seoul chasing that unmatchable Korean pussy. Though those chicks have nasty ass tempers, they love to show their self worth through their dexterity in bed.) I might just be tempted to sneak into that party one of these sleepless nights.

Apologies gents. This is a long report. Can you sense my glee over my Gecko punt? JA is a winner with me. Total cost 4800 (4 k BF /300 LD /500 tip). US $90 for all that ecstasy. Only could be better if she were under 30, but no complaints here.

[Volterra]

A great report!!

Here's a pro tip for next time. If people, a bar or anything else is blocking your view of a girl that you are interested in, then just look at her arms. Any girl with toned arms will have a flat belly and tight ass. Conversely, any one with out will have baby fat and lack of tone.

It's taken decades of research, sitting at bars world wide to prove my thesis..See my report on Gecko just uploaded. Based on my first night at Gecko surveying the full body outline based on arm fat, I cannot say that I am fully convinced of the correlation between arms and bellies.

Or let me put it this way: The girls with slender shapely arms didn't necessarily have tight bellies (some still had bulges). However, I would agree with you about the girls who did not have slender arms – all of those with extra fleshy arms had bulging / flabby tummies. But I'm keeping track from now on and will see how it goes until I hit my deathbed.

[Mua Tur]

A great report!!

Here's a pro tip for next time. If people, a bar or anything else is blocking your view of a girl that you are interested in, then just look at her arms. Any girl with toned arms will have a flat belly and tight ass. Conversely, any one with out will have baby fat and lack of tone.

It's taken decades of research, sitting at bars world wide to prove my thesis..Great people think alike. I am upset I failed to became a great since my brain is far from the bottom line you concluded about arms. But I am highly inclined for toned, round and well shaped arms. Never try to find why my nose dipping ridiculously deep for nice looking arms. If I check any girl, first I check her arms and than legs. If not well shaped than there always a no, no.

What a research G. Happy hunting.

[FuriousGeorge]

I hate to brag about being ahead of the game, but I have known this and spread this knowledge to my friends since I was 16. I had an older mentor at work, a very talented artist, and we would sit and look at women all day and he told me you can get all the physical information about a women from her upper arm. The shoulder to the elbow. That's all you need. It is representative of the rest of the body. This doesn't work on a guy. He could have a muscular ripped arm but a belly and chicken legs. Not so on a women. I have confirmed this over a lifetime of observations at bars and in the wild.

I just returned from a full month in AC. A comprehensive report forthcoming, just need to get up the gumption.

[AsianPursuits]

Apologies gents. This is a long report. Can you sense my glee over my Gecko punt? JA is a winner with me. Total cost 4800 (4 k BF /300 LD /500 tip). US $90 for all that ecstasy. Only could be better if she were under 30, but no complaints here.No need for apologies. Your high detail writing style reflects all of the thoughts that go through a punters mind when they are in a bar. The calculations, the comparisons, the scenarios.

And the final comparison is what we are paying in our home towns for one hour HJ on a massage table.

Glad you are enjoying AC.

[NapaSlapper]

Not sure why guys like to give grades to their barfines, things like, yeh my girl last night was an 8,9,10,these grades are obviously in the eye of the beholder, ones 8,9,10 might be a 0 for others.

Again what are these grades in association with, for me a 8,9,10 would be an asian world class model, the type seen in magazines not the type of girls selling their pussy in a 3rd world brothel for a few dollars.

I been reading about you can tell a pros body shape by her arm shape, why should we have to, how about the angeles bar owners give their punters some value for their beer money, like having the girls showing a bit of flesh instead of fully covered up or in evenening wear, stop the fatties and girls that have dropped multiple kids from being allowed to tie shawls or other things around their waiste in order to deceive, to be honest there is more flesh to be seen on any beach the world over than in angeles bars.

The reason why angeles is dead of western punters is that unfortunately it does not offer very much bang for the buck, take thai bars, all girls on stage are either naked, topless or in underwear no need to be guessing or taking chances on what horrors await after undressing ones barfine, maybe that's the reason why most western punters are in thailand for their fun.

[FuriousGeorge]

Mid Dec to mid Jan. I'm not as handsome as a was when I first arrived in this dumpy little town 5 years ago, but still enough to get told that I am at least 10 times a day. That's a nice ego boost. As always I stayed at Central Park Tower. I will never stay anywhere else. The Jacuzzi suite with the big TV you can hook up to your laptop is great. Put on YoutTube music videos for the girls. The rooftop is fantastic. Before Cov is was always 24 hours, now just Saturday nights. My basic routine was. Get up around 9, breakfast on the rooftop, then watch the NBA in my room for a couple of hours. Head out and run errands, change money, get my laundry done, tailor some clothes, maybe hit the mall, get a haircut, eat lunch. Then maybe hit a daytime girl bar for some drinks. Gecko's is the best daytime girlie bar. Viking isn't terrible. Occasionally daytime barfine but generally that's a nighttime activity for me. Sadly I never made it to the perimeter day bars even though it was part of my plan. Come back to the hotel, take a 2 hour nap. Shower, dress up nicely, eat at Kokomos, Envy, Swiss Chalet, or RBI. I'm a creature of habit. The Kokomos perch is just too good to pass up most nights. All the door girls at Monsoon giving me the 'handsome' sign is fun. One was my first barfine my first night. Anyway, hit the bars, maybe Mega Dance if it's the weekend. Barfine or pick up a civilian, back to the hotel which is a 3 minute walk. I will say that BJ skills have improved exponentially since I was last there. Not sure if I was just lucky this time or unlucky last time. Sexual skills across the board were great except for maybe one girl from Lucifer who was so cute and young and shy I almost felt bad. Almost. Brought 10 magnum condoms, left with all 10. Love this city. I never got bored. Not once. I know this isn't the vacation for everyone, but it is for me.

Many recent reports, plus YouTube, you can get the basic idea of what to expect. I'll just relate some anecdotes / observations that may be interesting. Keep in mind I was there almost 30 days and hit the bars every night.

I eat every night around 8:30. Yes it's true that a ton of hotties are scooped up by then. You can tell because they walk down the street with their barfiners and it's pretty obvious. XS has some of the hottest girls ever who do the model show. This seems to be the place to bring your wife / girlfriend / barfine. Lots of couples. I don't know how you buy these girls a drink or barfine them because they were never in my vicinity. But nice to look at.

Dollhouse has exactly 3 stunners. The rest are below average. My first night, my first bar, I walked in and one of these 3 was walking out, in her street clothes. She stopped, wrote her number and name on a paper, and handed it to me, then left. We interacted via text. Every time I returned except once, she and the other stunners were completely surrounded by dudes. Drinks, tips, sexy dancing. Always spotting me and giving me the 'sorry' look. These three chicks are making money and I don't think they even have to barfine. I did finally sit with her one night but never did take her out. Long dark curly hair, can't miss her. She's a princess. I could tell. Took a pass, maybe next time.

The most fun bar is Lolipop. Hard to find a seat many nights. Barfined plenty of girls from there and and although they did gossip, nobody got mad. Kind of why I stayed away from civilians this visit. You'll see a lot of topless chicks here and girls getting fingered. There's a guy who's there almost every night. Saw him with his zipper down standing at the dance floor rail getting a BJ from one of the girls on stage. Security saw it and pointed and laughed and walked away.

Yes the week of Christmas is very very slow. But, still plenty of girls to meet your needs. New Year's Eve was fun. Met up with a fella from the board and we hit the white party at Aqua at ABC. This was mostly foreigners and rich philippinos and hot bargirl chicks who got invited by punters. A hot girl walked in (had to buy a white shirt because she had a black cocktail dress on) and immediately started taking selfies with me and posted them to Facebook 'to make her ex jealous'. Then she proceeded to get super drunk and chase me all night. Would have been a freebie but no thanks. The party was raging, lots of eye candy and fun party atmosphere. Headed back to walking street around 1 am and it was dark. Spent the night alone.

One night at Viking a tall hot thin girl walked by and indicate that I choose a girl. I said 'how about you? She took a seat and was super cool and smart and we hung out for a while and had drinks. At one point I asked if she wanted to come with me (my code for barfine). She was like 'Yes but I have a secret'. I was like OK, um. Fine yeah ok. 'Promise you won't get mad?' Yes I promise. 'I'm trans'. Ahhhh. Ok right cool cool cool. No I'm not mad, um let me think about that. Hung out for a bit, gave her a hug and left. Was rolling with a young kid I met a few days later and I told him this story. Later we were at Viking having drinks and flirting with chicks, and on the way out I said 'That chick you were hot for? That's the ladyboy from my story'. His mind was blown. 90% of the freelancers on walking street are ladyboys. They have seriously upped their game in the looks department. Many you wouldn't know other than the company they keep, since they walk in groups. They really need to open a ladyboy bar and get them off the streets and in a safe environment. It was also clear that they have clientele. I saw lots of dudes approach them and walk with them, and they weren't embarrassed. If I were an asshole, that Viking situation could have gone badly.

Matched with a bunch of girls on Tinder but only met one. We only met because we had seen each other previously during breakfast and knew we were interested. Insanely hot philippina who lived in Sweden and was there on vacation with her family, whom I met at their hotel and sat with them. We later met at Mega Dance and had a good time dancing and drinking. This would have been a freebie (hell she insisted on paying for all the drinks). I could tell she was a princess and this would take some work, and when she tried to make me hold her purse, I said peace out. Saw her a couple days later with some other handsome simp and we waved and smiled. I actually got quite a few numbers from extremely hot civvie chicks at Mega Dance. One who works there who is a real stunner and sweetheart. All hit me up, but, I was too lazy in my old age to put in the effort. Mega is fun but there's no easy takeout like the old HiSo. There's a new bar under construction called SS which supposedly will be.

Found something I had been looking for and enjoyed it. If my night was ending and I hadn't found anyone to my liking, I would hit the 24 hour massage parlor. This place is on Narciso, well south. Keep in mind that this is well documented as a dangerous street at night. I look like I can beat you up (I can't) so maybe that helped, but I never got jumped. Anyway at this place you can get a 20 minute massage, a 10 minute handjob, and then some nice slow relaxing bare sex. The girls aren't super hot or young, but their bodies are fairly tight. I enjoyed it very much. Then you head home and get some good rest.

Saw something I hadn't seen before. 3 lesbian (maybe) blonde Euro (possibly) chicks at Atlantis. One very hot, one medium hot, one not. They were all flirting but the medium hot one was working the girls hard. Lady drinks for all, holding court, flirting like crazy. Had never seen that. Left before I saw if she barfined anyone or not.

70% of my barfines left after the deed. Granted, a lot of this was my doing. I prefer to sleep alone, and I'm not a morning sex guy. I always say 'Would you like to stay? If not, it's ok if you go'. Many took me up on it, some didn't. I exchanged numbers with most of them. Many would hit me up after work. I usually don't like to repeat but I did with some of these superstars that were off the clock. Nothing negotiated but I compensated them.

After 30 days I was tapped out, and I felt like everyone knew me. I could never live full time in this town. It's too small. But, if I ever retire in PH, I will definitely visit often.

[Volterra]

One night at Viking a tall hot thin girl walked by and indicate that I choose a girl. I said 'how about you? She took a seat and was super cool and smart and we hung out for a while and had drinks. At one point I asked if she wanted to come with me (my code for barfine). She was like 'Yes but I have a secret'. I was like OK, um. Fine yeah ok. 'Promise you won't get mad?' Yes I promise. 'I'm trans'. Ahhhh. Ok right cool cool cool. No I'm not mad, um let me think about that. Hung out for a bit, gave her a hug and left. Was rolling with a young kid I met a few days later and I told him this story. Later we were at Viking having drinks and flirting with chicks, and on the way out I said 'That chick you were hot for? That's the ladyboy from my story'. His mind was blown. 90% of the freelancers on walking street are ladyboys. They have seriously upped their game in the looks department. Many you wouldn't know other than the company they keep, since they walk in groups. They really need to open a ladyboy bar and get them off the streets and in a safe environment. It was also clear that they have clientele. I saw lots of dudes approach them and walk with them, and they weren't embarrassed. If I were an asshole, that Viking situation could have gone badly.

Matched with a bunch of girls on Tinder but only met one. We only met because we had seen each other previously during breakfast and knew we were interested. Insanely hot philippina who lived in Sweden and was there on vacation with her family, whom I met at their hotel and sat with them. We later met at Mega Dance and had a good time dancing and drinking. This would have been a freebie (hell she insisted on paying for all the drinks). I could tell she was a princess and this would take some work, and when she tried to make me hold her purse, I said peace out. Saw her a couple days later with some other handsome simp and we waved and smiled. I actually got quite a few numbers from extremely hot civvie chicks at Mega Dance. One who works there who is a real stunner and sweetheart. All hit me up, but, I was too lazy in my old age to put in the effort. Mega is fun but there's no easy takeout like the old HiSo. There's a new bar under construction called SS which supposedly will be.
Great report FG. That LB alert is well taken, especially at the bar you mentioned. My experience from Saturday also works at the same bar. He said the Viking has 8 LBs working there, and that they frequently go with customers. I asked whether they inform the customers in advance that they are LBs and he said yes, they do. But I am deeply suspicious of this. As you say, the LBs have upped their ability to look and act like girls but relating to guys with expert flirtation and bonding. I was also tempted to let my asshole personality loose but somehow this LB had to savvy to disarm that reaction. But I'm doubling up on my fortifications now. (I asked girls at several other bars last night if they had any LBs working and they said no. V seems to be the one to watch out for.).

The other thing is about Mega and Hammer. You must be the type that likes to commune at those kind of joints. If you're still young and handsome enough to pull civilians there, it must in part be because you have a gregarious side and also like the loud thumping, bottle popping atmosphere of those kinds of spots. Do I presume correctly that you usually went there in a group of some sort, or at least not by yourself? I made my 2nd visit to both Mega and Hammer last night, and I will not waste my time at either again. Hammer is completely forget it unless you have a group party. As for Mega, I don't see how any guy going there alone could possibly succeed unless 1) the place is teeming with overflow so lots of girls are standing nearby you (not seated, so you can more easily mingle) or 2) you are an absolute ace at old fashioned working the room and breaking the ice with small groups even though you may be outnumbered 3 to 1. (It sounds like you may have this talent, no doubt in part due to your confidence in your looks.).

On my Saturday and Monday visits after midnight, I searched and searched for any inch of space where I might mingle. There was absolutely none (except possibly one moment when I spotted my sweetie from a couple nights ago on the dance floor doing FL with her mate. Must have been her night off. So if you like dancing alone and breaking in this way, it's a possibility). I saw no girls alone. All were in groups of at least 3. (If 2, I would have no problem approaching.) Nearly all were seated. I took a table alone next to a couple of girl tables, but I would also be concerned about getting pulled in to cover their entire drink bill. Forget it. On both nights, I saw 5 or 6 single western guys standing around bewildered (like me). They obviously had heard Mega is a joint for picking up FLs and were equally dumbfounded once there with a drink in hand. The seating of groups at tables kills the opportunity for lone wolves. If you were a lone wolf and found that much success, it would be interesting to see a tip or two from you about how that ice got broken. But my advice to any single, lone short term traveler is maybe make 1 weekend stop to Mega if you have pulled anything by midnight, but better not to waste your time and definitely do not let it divert you from a better go go opportunity.

And I am curious. Even though you say you are aging, what age range do you fall into? Are you talking 40's, 50's or 60's? It would help us put your success into perspective. I'm nearing 60 myself and had a fairly successful 3 decades pulling civs up until just a few years ago (my mid 50's). I know that PH has opportunities for guys who have otherwise "lost it" in their home countries. I have seen a few very good looking guys late 40's early 50's here getting extra attention from women, but not sure that most of us can get it on looks alone anymore. Still many thanks for the valuable info. Great reading dude.

[Goferring]

70% of my barfines left after the deed. Granted, a lot of this was my doing. I prefer to sleep alone, and I'm not a morning sex guy..Blasphemy!! Breakfast is the most important meal of the day. 😜.

G.

[Volterra]

I figured that there wouldn't be much going on Monday evening, with a lot of girls taking their day off and fewer customers out. So I decided to make this a wild card adventure, covering more places that I haven't been to or read about to see if I might sniff something out. After a very nice Thai dinner at the little Sawasdee joint, I gandered into Walking st from the far end.

First stop was Dragon at 8:30. There were some customers but only a few dancers. The nice Eastern European gentleman who manages the place sat with me for a minute and said BF is 4000, with 3 different groups of dancers. I saw the regulars at first and the "models" would come in 10 minutes, but there were only 3 left available yesterday. The first group was not special, wearing dresses so couldn't gauge their real bodies at all, and they were barely dancing (and poorly). A few may have been 7. 5-8 quality, mainly late 20's, with 1 nice slender attractive older one (04, she was tall, in her 30's with great legs and small tits would be good on another night). Only 2 models showed up, and they just stood / sat there doing nothing and looking uncomfortable. (The Korean places do not feature dancing, they just stand there for very long periods.) H2 was in her mid 20's with lots of tattoos and a very nice body, and fairly cute. (I would have BFd her if it was later in the evening.) C11 was older, unfit, and unattractive. Nothing bit my little man below, so I left. (But would try another night.).

As I walked past the closed Galaxy hotel, it seemed that the lack of activity in that middle area really had a bad effect on the overall street vibe. Hope it gets hopping again. A couple other places, including Monsoon, were closed for Monday. The Korean guy outside Arabesque was nice, so I would stop back there later. I then went into XS, and was surprised to see it quite full with loads of girls on stage. However, they were a completely different set from what I saw on Saturday, and none of them were fit (though most have quite attractive faces). As I fought to get seated on the main floor (can't see anything from the balcony unless you stand right over the stage) (the waitresses didn't see enthusiastic about me taking a prime spot, and both they and Korean customers had no hesitation to stand in front of me and block my view), I saw one drop dead gorgeous chick with frizzy black hair being highlighted on stage. She had a ferociously hot body and I thought I might act quickly and invite her down. But in an instant she was off with a group of Koreans to the side. As I was readying to leave (just not seeing anything that hit me lots of 7's last night), I noticed that she went back on stage then off the back. Seems she didn't get BFd, and I went upstairs to see if I might catch her, and she was already upstairs with another Korean guy! Shit. Guess I'll try XS later in the week.

Then off to Carousel. There were only 4 scruffy mid-late 30's dancers (though a few nice ones already taken in the audience. They were 6. 5's with plenty of belly flab. The big boned waitress was quite fun and flirty as she stroked my cold Pilzen like it was a hard penis. I tried to keep that flirtation going, but seems she had a limit. (She was a big girl anyway, but very nice face. I tend to orgasm like crazy with women like that.) Again my seating luck was off and I had the worst table / stool in the place, but I moved once a booth opened up. I quite like the atmosphere of Carousel, if the women were better and more plentiful, and just as I reseated myself a beauty got up on stage. But that went nowhere, as I'll explain in a separate post on my millennial attitude advisory from last night.

Took a swing past the Perimeter bars: Insomnia was closed for Monday, Brown Sugar had only 4 unattractive ladies and 2 customers (wonder how that business is going). Had a beer at Ace next door, but there were only 4 unfit dancers and a couple of cuties already taken, so I left immediately. Made a pass back at Chocolate as I had seen a very nice looking girl outside on my way to dinner, but it was completely empty with only 2 dancers. It was hard to get an inconspicuous ogle at them before ordering a drink when I am the only one in the place, so turned and went out.

Went back into Fields and paid a visit to the Korean joint Arabesque. With no air conditioning, it was not comfortable. The stage was full of young girls 18-25 all standing for the handful of young Korean customers (who the girls all adored, of course) and just a couple of westerners. These girls were of a different stock however. Unrefined and raw, they were obviously recruited from the provinces, and there were no real beauties to behold, except one smoking like a smoke stack (I didn't want to deal with my hotel smoking fine), one with a smoking hot body but who at just the wrong moment revealed her upper teeth full of braces, and a very hot girl who showed up just before I left. (See next Millenial report.) I got a fair bit of attention from these girls (BF quoted 4000, not really worth it), but no matter how hard I tried, my goggles just wouldn't adjust to make them look better.

So off I went and made my first stop into Shooters, which turned into a major fiasco and near confrontation. (See next Millenial report.) After that, it was already past midnight, so decided to give Hammer / Mega a glance to see if anything might look better on a Monday. But as I just responded to Furious George, Hammer is completely useless for mongering and Mega may only be suited to a very narrow range of mongers who are in a group or excel at that kind of club. It's definitely not for solo dudes like myself who need specific conditions for FL mingling.

Close to 1 am and I was wondering if I might not be out of the wildcard chase for Monday. But I decided to keep going by just randomly stopping into every place that I had not BFd yet. FYI, there was a younger western guy in his mid 30's about 20 steps ahead of me doing exactly the same thing. So I maintained my stalking distance and just shadowed him, but saw some activity at Q Bar and dashed in there. I liked the atmosphere right away, and uncharacteristically there was a good spot to sit and voyeur and entertain a lady if I wished. The stage pickings were not great, though all dancers had black lingerie / bikinis on. The waitress was friendly and indicated 2 levels of BF: 3500 for the regulars currently on stage and 4000 for the next set to arrive soon.

At this late point of the evening (and disgusted with all the millennial misadventures), I determined to focus on tight bellies and asses over everything else. There was one tall slender woman with small breasts and not too unattractive that I kept as 3. 5 k backup (around a 7 of 10). When the new girls took stage, there was a very beautiful Amazonian girl, 5'6" or 5'7" with long hair in her low 20's. Very striking, but also had a bit of a tummy bulge that kept my little brother in check. As I did my complete belly survey, however, I noticed one 2 down from her on the very end with a fucking hot belly, nice legs and shoulders, slender forearms (aka Goferring theory), but a so so face. She looked late 20's. I just needed to get a glance of her ass but she wouldn't turn around and others getting in the way (annoyingly). Thankfully there was a full stage mirror behind them, and things cleared enough for me to see these 2 astonishingly tight and well rounded little moons. "Waitress!

She sat down and orderd a Baileys with milk. Her English was the poorest that I've encountered in the Philippines. (And in all due respect, she wasn't the brightest of girls, quite provincial.) I found her asking me questions that I'the answered only moments before. So communication wasn't great, but she turned to be 38! I couldn't believe it with that body. Bronze, honey glazed skin and not an ounce of fat to be seen or felt. Not only that, she was horny. When I raised the bar fine, she said "I'm excited, when can we leave?" Poof! BF paid (4 k plus 300 LD) as she changed and we were off to the Monday races. 10 minutes later we were on my balcony for early foreplay and into the shower we went. Her pussy was gushing wet before I even angled the shower head toward her. And lathering her body confirmed that it was tight around every single inch as I'the imagined.

Back to bed and I had a good long DATY as my hands pressed into those tight stomach muscles and pinched the pert nipples. We then got to 69 and then switched to BBBJ. I would rate her skills as bronze medal compared to my Friday and Sunday gold medalists, but still good. Then I pulled her up on top and unlike Fri and Sun (who grinded to a fro), she was into bouncing up and down like a jackhammer. She was soooo wet and into it. I was hard as a rock but now on my 4th night out in a row couldn't manage a shot for a long time. She just kept going with it like a trooper. She especially loved being sidewinded and watching my cock drilling in then pulling out almost to the tip. She just kept watching and moaning. I had seen the phenomenal spread in her ass when disrobing for the shower, and switched to doggie so I could grab onto those superb buttocks. Then I noticed how tiny her waist was, like it shrunk to nothing. So I cupped my hands around it and with my 2 thumbs touching at the back my 2 middle fingers were only a matter of inches apart in front. And the back was tight and shiny (see Photos below gents). Holy fuck and I made a huge mess on her back! Exhausted and thinking she'the want to sleep right away, I collapsed. But I was wrong.

She wanted more. She asked if she could play with my dick on her pussy. Uh,. Ok.

I was already soft and shribbling, but she positioned herself on her back and pulled my LB toward her in between her fingers. Then she started mimicking the vibrator effect with my head stroking back and forth on her clitoris. Again, she was watching it all, kind of masturbating with my joystick. It only took a minute and she started howling and convulsing (but no squirting). Yeah I know, you'll all say she must have been faking. If she was, she certainly had acting skills that far surpassed her IQ. I mean, this wasn't just "uh, uh, uh, ah. " It was like "ooooouuuuuuuuaaaaaaaoooooooooo. " (You get the idea.) And the convulsions were out of control, so unless she was trained in choreography, I don't know how that would have been faked out of nowhere. Anyway, see it as you see it.

Off to sleep and I was kind of hoping she'the leave early so I could get hours of shuteye in the morning. But she wanted to stay til 9 or 10. Didn't really sleep well, with that amazing ass pressed against me. I mean fuck, are you serious? But suddenly woke around 7:30 she woke up and started wiggling it against my dick. I got hard immediately and she grabbed it to put inside her as she raised her left leg. In the morning light, I drilled her from multiple positions and marveled at both the sun shining on her golden skin and just how completely firm and devoid of any fat her body was. Again she watched and watched as I sidewinded her, clenching her teeth and throwing her head back with eyes closed. I would stall, then she would get me going again. I thought she just wanted me to come, but when I eventually had to give up (couldn't produce my 2nd shot today), she pulled a repeat. Again she asked if it was ok for her to play with my dick on her.

She did it again!

Only this time it took her a long time to cum. Mind you, it wasn't me who made her cum, it was she using my dick as her toy tool to make herself cum. She just watched herself intently for 5 or 10 minutes as she kept herself on the brink, getting off on my little head brushing back and forth against her wet clit. It was really intense, and I wasn't sure that she was going to pull it off, but she is not a quitter. So there it was, she finally sprang back into convulsions and let out this long wail gasp wail gasp wail. Man these Pinay chicks love to fuck!

Strangely, she also claims to be "shy" so she kept covering her pussy as she went into the shower each time. Same when I asked for her photo. You see she just didn't want to show her little beaver. To each their own.

Anyway, topsy turvy 4th night ends with gratification and a last-minute score. So unlike Saturday, persistence paid off. Seek and ye shall find gents.

[Volterra]

So in my report that I just uploaded on Monday night AC adventures, I ran into the problem that has been discussed at length on the AC forum (and elsewhere): The fact that while we are driven to these sex paradises in search of hot, cheap 18 years available in droves, what we now find is how difficult it is to pull girls between 18 and 21. I witnessed this in several forms last night.

Carousel.

I mentioned that as I found an empty booth from where I had been sitting, this young beauty around 21 years old took the stage, in stark contrast to the far less attractive ones who preceded her. I sat myself down in the booth and when the carousel took her around I got a good look at just how hot she was. Smoking body, young clean milky white flesh, tight but baby soft, long dark hair, and beautiful face. She saw me and I immediately gave her a little smile hoping that she'd return the flirtation. But out of the blue her face goes cold and she puts her palm on her lower abdomen and shakes her head no as the carousel takes her to the opposite side. WTF? Something I said? (I was well behaved, well groomed, and not looking too disagreeable I hope.) So I waited for her to come back around. And waited. And waited. And waited. She never came back to my side! So I stretch my head and saw her back to me at the other corner, but doing nothing. Suddenly her young (hot) female supervisor with spectacles comes up and starts screaming at her and banging a cup on the stage metal. She's yelling at her to get back to my side of the carousel. Yelling and yelling and yelling like a drill seargeant. But the girl just ignored her and refused to move or even acknowledge it. Was I that repulsive? Dunno, but I could only conclude that she was conspicuously avoiding me for no apparent reason. Ok, fuck it. I left.

Arabesque.

Next was the one and only really hot girl I saw at this Korean joint. She looked college age (around 20) really cosmopolitan in comparison to the other provincial girls (who were rather wild and unrestrained). Tall, beautiful and well built, I wanted to get her attention even as the other girls were staring me down. But this girl was just sitting on the front of the stage staring down blankly at the floor. Her face looked totally dejected, kind of like "Is this all I have to look forward to in my life?" (I'm not preaching here. I'd like to violate every inch of her body for the right price.).

But I did everything short of jumping up and down on my table like a chimpanzee to get her attention, but not even the slightest hint of acknowledging my presence. Ok, fuck it. I left.

"Anonymous".

The final story, and last straw, occurred at a bar whose name will not be mentioned (for fear of retribution). But to keep you out of the dark, its name is a word that has multiple meanings:

1. The word we use for people (plural) who pull the trigger of a gun.

2. The word we use to describe a very small glass that holds especially potent but tiny cocktails that we down in one quick gulp.

3. The word we might incorrectly use when describing the number of orgasms we negotiate for in a given punt.

In case you still haven't identified the establishment, its name rhymes with several other words:

1. It rhymes with the name (hint: begins with letter H) of an American bar chain named with after a slang word for large female breasts (hint: It is not "Knockers".

2. It rhymes with the word (hint: begins with the letter L) (plural) used to describe people who commit large-scale robberies, often in large groups, during blackouts or times of social unrest.

3. It rhymes with the word (hint: begins with the letters sc) (plural) used for a 2-wheeled gas powered motor vehicle (hint: it is not motorbike, moped, or motorcycle).

So without divulging the name of the establishment, I was there last evening minding my own business and voyeuring over my cold beer at not so attractive go go dancers. The waitress confirmed BFs of 4000, and I was not interested until this very attractive girl, I would say mid 20's, with all the right body features got on stage, mainly with her back to me. I did not wait long before enquiring with the waitress: was the girl available for BF? Oh yes. And the waitress immediately went and fetched her to my table.

I cannot say that we hit it off well, but the girl kept close to me with her hands on my legs. First flag was the cranberry juice she ordered for her LD. You don't drink? "I do, but not tonight. Why, you want to get me drunk?

There was no flow to the conversation, but I mainly just wanted to make my way out with her. I asked her age and reacted with disbelief when she said 19. (I do not believe she was that young.) But as she nearly finished her drink I asked about whether she would BF and come back with me and she said ok. I wanted to leave but flag 2, she wanted another drink first. Far against my instincts and better judgment I agreed to that. So as she quickly finished her 2nd cranberry juice, I reconfirmed the Terms of Agreement time, no go activities, # of shots etc). All reconfirmed without argument, and as I said "let's go" she suddenly says: "I'm having my period. Maybe you can come back tomorrow night and let's see. ".

(Moment of restrained silence.).

Of course, being the straight shooter (crash! Bang! Hint!) that I am, I pointed out that she already agreed to come with me and should have mentioned the "period" much sooner. "Oh but my auntie is working here and I don't want to be seen leaving by her)(blah blah blah).

I immediately called for the manager and a male (local) comes to the table. I explain to him the situation and he barks something at her (like, do you really have your period? Pointing to her lower belly). He then apologizes and offers to give me a free beer. "I don't want a free beer. She shouldn't have ordered the LDs after agreeing to BF".

- M: "Oh but we already have written on the receipts. " V: "They're just pieces of paper. ".

- M: "Oh but we can't tell the girls who to BF with. " V: "I know. So she should have informed me before she agreed to the BF and ordered that drink. ".

- M: "Oh but it would be bad business to waive the fee. " V: ". " (You can imagine my composed response).

In the end, he ended up taking her side, refused to waive the LD, and quickly exited (no where to be found after that). So I kept calm (breathe. Breathe. Breathe). , paid the 800+ peso bill and left without looking at anyone.

Back to the point about the millennial attitude. Just as we were waiting for the manager to come, the girl asks in a provocative manner (like poking me): "Are you angry??

So to relate back to some of the discussions taking place recently on this AC forum, yes younger girls are brazenly determining their own terms of engagement, cunningly devising ways to scam guys out of drink commissions with no intention of bar fining, and getting the tacit support (at this particular, unnamed establishment anyway) of their eviscerated (meaning guys who have their balls missing) supervisors.

On the positive side, Over 4 days, I have only experienced real negativism with this one (unnamed) establishment. All the others have been rather courteous and professional (aside from mamasans and waitresses asking for drinks).

So beware gents: If you happen to go into an AC establishment with a name that might fit the criteria above and start buying lady drinks for young dancers claiming to be 19 and promising to go home with you before they suddenly remember, after you buy them multiple LDs, that they accidentally forgot to tell you that they are "having their period" and you get scammed out of a little drink money (ok I can walk away from 600 pesos easily enough), and you get no positive response from the management when you complain. Don't say I didn't warn you!

Welcome to the new mongering millennium. Shit!

[NapaSlapper]

No need for apologies. Your high detail writing style reflects all of the thoughts that go through a punters mind when they are in a bar. The calculations, the comparisons, the scenarios.

And the final comparison is what we are paying in our home towns for one hour HJ on a massage table.

Glad you are enjoying AC.Why would one only compare home town prices to angeles, many other asian destinations offer what's available in angeles often with much higher quality girls at similar or less when all costs factored in, what's more important is that many of those other destinations offer girls that actually barfine for a living, where bars are not full of virgins and girls that will only barfine with certain nationalities (asians) where whitie does not have to mostly except what the asians discard.

I suppose comparing apples to apples (asian destinations) does not suit ones agenda.

[WestCoast1]

Not sure why guys like to give grades to their barfines, things like, yeh my girl last night was an 8,9,10,these grades are obviously in the eye of the beholder, ones 8,9,10 might be a 0 for others.Very much concur. I am relatively easy to please. A mid-30's gal with a decent figure is do-able for me.


Again what are these grades in association with, for me a 8,9,10 would be an asian world class model, the type seen in magazines not the type of girls selling their pussy in a 3rd world brothel for a few dollars.So a question about this. The pretty asian model. If she is an 8 while dolled up and modeling, is she still an 8 when she is not dolled up and is running out to the store in jeans and T-shirt? Are you giving a higher number to a 'type'? What if the model and the brothel girl are very similar in looks while naked and you give them the same number; but are displayed differently later. In my book that doesn't change my number for either girl. How about in your book?

[Volterra]

Not sure why guys like to give grades to their barfines, things like, yeh my girl last night was an 8,9,10,these grades are obviously in the eye of the beholder, ones 8,9,10 might be a 0 for others.

Again what are these grades in association with, for me a 8,9,10 would be an asian world class model, the type seen in magazines not the type of girls selling their pussy in a 3rd world brothel for a few dollars.

I been reading about you can tell a pros body shape by her arm shape, why should we have to, how about the angeles bar owners give their punters some value for their beer money, like having the girls showing a bit of flesh instead of fully covered up or in evenening wear, stop the fatties and girls that have dropped multiple kids from being allowed to tie shawls or other things around their waiste in order to deceive, to be honest there is more flesh to be seen on any beach the world over than in angeles bars.

The reason why angeles is dead of western punters is that unfortunately it does not offer very much bang for the buck, take thai bars, all girls on stage are either naked, topless or in underwear no need to be guessing or taking chances on what horrors await after undressing ones barfine, maybe that's the reason why most western punters are in thailand for their fun.When I write a report, I just write the way that I'm thinking about the girls. I'm not saying you or anyone should use the same grades. I just want better looking girls, same as you.

But we're not really in disagreement. I almost never classify anyone a 10, and I reserve that for those world class models you mention. You're right, we almost never see them. But in my mind we do see lots of 7's, some 8's, and a few 9's. Part of the reason I use grades is exactly what you say: because too many girls are covering themselves too much, or they are not keeping very fit (shit most of these women could look great if they just exercised once or twice a week). I'm just as irritated as you are when they cover themselves up at the bars.

And yeah, there's not as much bang for the buck here. So that's why I think in those graded terms, so I can try to get the pounding for the peso. It used to be easier when it was cheaper and girls weren't as flabby. But I just came from 3 weeks in Thailand. Can't say that it was all better there. I was doing the same thing, and to be honest, the 3 girls I just shagged here since Friday were better lays than any that I had in Thailand (though some were good).

[Volterra]

Very much concur. I am relatively easy to please. A mid-30's gal with a decent figure is do-able for me.

So a question about this. The pretty asian model. If she is an 8 while dolled up and modeling, is she still an 8 when she is not dolled up and is running out to the store in jeans and T-shirt? Are you giving a higher number to a 'type'? What if the model and the brothel girl are very similar in looks while naked and you give them the same number; but are displayed differently later. In my book that doesn't change my number for either girl. How about in your book?For me, I'm talking about what they look like naked back in the room. Or if I'm only seeing them on stage, it's what I'm imagining they will look like naked based on me sitting at the bar with my beer and staring at them in ways that I couldn't do in other public places. Of course I'm not sure if I'm correct. But I like go go bars exactly because we can (usually) see more of them and stare at them longer in different positions.

So yeah I agree with you. I don't care about the pretty Asian model all dolled up and photoshopped. That's BS. And I don't pay attention to the go go bosses calling their girls "models. " I don't see much difference. Anyway, we all got our own tastes. And hell yeah, a mid-30's gal with a decent figure is do-able for me too. I'm fucking happy with the 34 and 38 year olds I had the last 2 nights.

[NapaSlapper]

Very much concur. I am relatively easy to please. A mid-30's gal with a decent figure is do-able for me.

So a question about this. The pretty asian model. If she is an 8 while dolled up and modeling, is she still an 8 when she is not dolled up and is running out to the store in jeans and T-shirt? Are you giving a higher number to a 'type'? What if the model and the brothel girl are very similar in looks while naked and you give them the same number; but are displayed differently later. In my book that doesn't change my number for either girl. How about in your book?Thanks for your input westy.

In honesty Never in my 28 years of being around Asian brothels have I seen a girl working at such that could have passed for a top fashion model, not even close, had the brothel girl resembled a professional model she would have been picked up by an agent and earning thousands of usd per hour for modelling not selling her pussy for 100 usd a pop.

The world is made up of all sorts of tastes, I'm not in to heavily made up girls, not into fake tits, not into ink, not into crazy coloured hair etc, some guys are into all of those hence why I say numbers are pointless.

I'm sure that a professional catwalk model whether in make up or not would not be turned down by any guys the world over so point up or point down means little, she still would be stunning either way.

Speaking to many of my Angeles friends and reading Angeles based boards most are adamant that their girls always resemble the finest girls known to man, maybe drinking 15 beers every night helps with their claims.

[FuriousGeorge]

I am in my 40's. I'm fit and tall and I have all my hair so most of the girls think I'm in my 30's. But you are right. Hammer is worthless. Mega is for fun, if you like that kind of fun. If you absolutely want sex that night, don't go. Sometimes I went alone, sometimes with a girl, sometimes with a group. Occasionally I'd see someone I knew there and hang with them. Yes you do need to have some social skills, and dress up a bit. You walk around and smile at a girl, if she smiles back, you say Hi. Some girls would grab my hand as I walk by. You just keep walking and turn back and smile but keep going. Then when you make your way back around you say Hello,. In the old days I'd have patience to romance these girls, but not so much now.

I know that Q bar girl from your report well. She is a sweetheart and a sexual dynamo. I think I know the waitress from Carousel too and she is annoying as hell so you dodged a bullet. The one I wanted from Carousel is the 'dance manager'. She's an insanely hot mid 30's thin hottie who wears pencil skirts and glasses and tells the girls on stage what to do. Never was able to pull that off.

Edit: Funny, I wrote that before I read your next post. Yep that's the dance manager, the one who was yelling. I find her extremely sexy but seems to be all business.



And I am curious. Even though you say you are aging, what age range do you fall into? Are you talking 40's, 50's or 60's? It would help us put your success into perspective. I'm nearing 60 myself and had a fairly successful 3 decades pulling civs up until just a few years ago (my mid 50's). I know that PH has opportunities for guys who have otherwise "lost it" in their home countries. I have seen a few very good looking guys late 40's early 50's here getting extra attention from women, but not sure that most of us can get it on looks alone anymore. Still many thanks for the valuable info. Great reading dude.

[Sir Lancelot]

Not sure why guys like to give grades to their barfines, things like, yeh my girl last night was an 8,9,10,these grades are obviously in the eye of the beholder, ones 8,9,10 might be a 0 for others.I find the 'beauty in the eye of the beholder' comment a little surprising coming from you. I've just trawled back 100 pages on the Angeles thread looking for intel for my forthcoming trip and whenever your name appeared you were calling out how ugly the girls are. To such a degree in fact, I assumed you were just one of those people whose sole aim on ISG is to discourage others from visiting for their own benefit (there are a lot of them about, especially on the Pattaya thread). I'm sure that's not the case, it's just the way you came across.

But in contrast to your reaction to Volterra's excellent posts when he rates girls highly out of ten, you don't add 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' when you routinely tell us how unfuckable girls in Angeles are.

[FuriousGeorge]

So to relate back to some of the discussions taking place recently on this AC forum, yes younger girls are brazenly determining their own terms of engagement, cunningly devising ways to scam guys out of drink commissions with no intention of bar fining, and getting the tacit support (at this particular, unnamed establishment anyway) of their eviscerated (meaning guys who have their balls missing) supervisors.
This can happen. It's best not to get too worked up over it. You ended up paying a few bucks to hang with a sexy girl and probably grope her a bit. Believe me, if she doesn't want to go with you, you don't want to go with her. The experience is unlikely to be good, and then you're out a whole lot more money. You smile and leave and say maybe next time. And maybe there is a next time when she's in the mood. Or not. I appreciate that the girls get to make decisions on whether or not they barfine, although it's true you did get scammed, but just a little.

[Dg8787]

I find the 'beauty in the eye of the beholder' comment a little surprising coming from you. I've just trawled back 100 pages on the Angeles thread looking for intel for my forthcoming trip and whenever your name appeared you were calling out how ugly the girls are. To such a degree in fact, I assumed you were just one of those people whose sole aim on ISG is to discourage others from visiting for their own benefit (there are a lot of them about, especially on the Pattaya thread). I'm sure that's not the case, it's just the way you came across.

But in contrast to your reaction to Volterra's excellent posts when he rates girls highly out of ten, you don't add 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' when you routinely tell us how unfuckable girls in Angeles are.Good observation. According to him they are all unfuckable. We are all fucking the over priced unfuckables. Sometimes multiple unfuckables a day. No credibility to me.

[Goferring]

So a question about this. The pretty asian model. If she is an 8 while dolled up and modeling, is she still an 8 when she is not dolled up and is running out to the store in jeans and T-shirt? Not me unfortunately but a buddy once dated an ex-Ms Indonesia. We talk about 10's, well she was literally a Ms Universe contestant. That's as close as I know.

Around the house, in no makeup, jeans and a T shirt, she was very tall but otherwise any other attractive Asian girl.

Give her 10 minutes to put on some make up and a cute dress and she was stunning.

An hour or two to fully glam up for a night out and she was out of this world.

She both had great foundations to work off and certainly knew how to put a look together.

Not a covered in this discussion but one thing that did amaze me was that she was a nice girl but absolutely useless out in the real world. Couldn't cook, clean or anything remotely domestic. A holiday for 7 days needed 7 sets of clothes as she had no idea of how to do a wash.

Enjoy. G.

[AsianPursuits]

Why would one only compare home town prices to angeles, many other asian destinations offer what's available in angeles often with much higher quality girls at similar or less when all costs factored in, what's more important is that many of those other destinations offer girls that actually barfine for a living, where bars are not full of virgins and girls that will only barfine with certain nationalities (asians) where whitie does not have to mostly except what the asians discard.

I suppose comparing apples to apples (asian destinations) does not suit ones agenda.Not sure what agenda you are discussing. This is the Angeles thread where I visit and work and I'm in my home country. I don't have the opportunity to go other Asian countries. Comparing between countries is good of course but it's not a comparison I other to make as I'm on the ground in Ph regularly.

[NapaSlapper]

As I and many others have reported drinks only girls are alive and well in most Angeles bars, what does not help is that these girls are the better looking girls, exactly because the better looking girls get massive attention and many drinks bought that they can earn the big peso without barfining at all, its all part and parcel of doing business in Angeles bars.

Know personally many girls that are drinks only girls, on a bad night they can get 10 -15 drinks on a good night 20-25 drinks at 150 peso per drink commission to the girl plus her 800 peso per day salary plus making it rain money plus tips and that drink only girl is earning as much in a day as a top pi surgeon, all without showing the colour of her undies to anyone.

Many Angeles girls play the game, tell the punter all that he wants to hear, hit punter for as many lady drinks as possible and then when its time to leave remember that its the wrong time of the month or one of many other excuses, no need to feel bad, its just how it is.

Some people would call those like myself negative or not wanting others to visit but in truth one writes what they see and that includes the truth of drinks only girls and virgins in brothels, bars with older fat girls in huge numbers and the Koreans being no1 top dog to those girls that will barfine, again not negative reporting just truthful reporting even though the rose coloured specs brigade still claim my girl was a stunner, the best girl in the bar and only in Angeles city can this fun be found.

Morale of the story, the best looking girls want money without fucking it is what it is, like it or leave it. When the powers that be (bar owners) grow a pair and put a stop to all this deceit then ill be a much happier punter and delighted to be the 1st to report of such.