Angeles City

[Axel Heyst]

Morale of the story, the best looking girls want money without fucking it is what it is, like it or leave it. When the powers that be (bar owners) grow a pair and put a stop to all this deceit then ill be a much happier punter and delighted to be the 1st to report of such.The morale of the story if what you say is true is that sooner, or later, more likely sooner than later, word will get out and guys will stop coming to AC, the bars will go out of business, and the girls will ply their trade for real somewhere else. Pussy is a price inelastic commodity meaning demand does not respond much to higher prices. But BMD pussy is not real pussy, so it should kill of demand as long as there are other destinations where real pussy remains available.

[Volterra]

I am in my 40's. I'm fit and tall and I have all my hair so most of the girls think I'm in my 30's. But you are right. Hammer is worthless. Mega is for fun, if you like that kind of fun. If you absolutely want sex that night, don't go. Sometimes I went alone, sometimes with a girl, sometimes with a group. Occasionally I'd see someone I knew there and hang with them. Yes you do need to have some social skills, and dress up a bit. You walk around and smile at a girl, if she smiles back, you say Hi. Some girls would grab my hand as I walk by. You just keep walking and turn back and smile but keep going. Then when you make your way back around you say Hello,. In the old days I'd have patience to romance these girls, but not so much now.

I know that Q bar girl from your report well. She is a sweetheart and a sexual dynamo. I think I know the waitress from Carousel too and she is annoying as hell so you dodged a bullet. The one I wanted from Carousel is the 'dance manager'. She's an insanely hot mid 30's thin hottie who wears pencil skirts and glasses and tells the girls on stage what to do. Never was able to pull that off.

Edit: Funny, I wrote that before I read your next post. Yep that's the dance manager, the one who was yelling. I find her extremely sexy but seems to be all business.

This can happen. It's best not to get too worked up over it. You ended up paying a few bucks to hang with a sexy girl and probably grope her a bit. Believe me, if she doesn't want to go with you, you don't want to go with her. The experience is unlikely to be good, and then you're out a whole lot more money. You smile and leave and say maybe next time. And maybe there is a next time when she's in the mood. Or not. I appreciate that the girls get to make decisions on whether or not they barfine, although it's true you did get scammed, but just a little.Thanks for both your responses FG. You obviously have a long life of great indulgence to look forward with both looks and sensibility. Still being good looking and in your 40's changes the perspective greatly, especially since you still look to be in your 30's. You are going to get attention just by being there, and you are doing something that I kind of wish I had started doing 15 years ago -- playing both the civilian and PPM game. (I tried almost exclusively with civs until just before covid and see now that I added years of angst on all those weekends that I struck out, even if there were plenty where I didn't). So not at all to sound condescending, but your looks and physique will inevitably have to go at some point (probably in 10-15 years, and unexpectedly once over 50). As for now, you can approach a place like Mega with a completely different winner's strategy than the over 55 solo guys like me. So I am going to keep living vicariously through you and the other superstars here. (I'm just an advancing novice for my age.).

As for the Carousel dance manager, our Q Bar sweetie and I ran into her walking home with another western gentleman on our way back to the hotel. She is fucking hot with that librarian look, and seems she may well be available (unless he is her BF). I may test that myself (though other guys reading this will probably flock to her now, my self inflicted wound for ISG altruism and brotherhood).

Thanks also for the perspective on the scam. I was damn furious at the moment and wasn't sure I could cool down after that. Good to get perspective from the bros here so that I do not dwell on it. Looking forward to reading of your adventures in the coming decades sir!

[WestCoast1]

I find the 'beauty in the eye of the beholder' comment a little surprising coming from you. I've just trawled back 100 pages on the Angeles thread looking for intel for my forthcoming trip and whenever your name appeared you were calling out how ugly the girls are. To such a degree in fact, I assumed you were just one of those people whose sole aim on ISG is to discourage others from visiting for their own benefit (there are a lot of them about, especially on the Pattaya thread). I'm sure that's not the case, it's just the way you came across.

But in contrast to your reaction to Volterra's excellent posts when he rates girls highly out of ten, you don't add 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' when you routinely tell us how unfuckable girls in Angeles are.I would argue that a stroll thru the WS bars on most nights, especially the bars with lots of girls, will find you at least a handful of 'model-material' beauties, and possibly several in each of the larger bars. That doesn't mean that they are all bar-fine-able tonight (for any number of reasons given by the girl). But some are. Also, there is no reason that even a picky fella can't take a step down the next lowest number in order to get laid (assuming he's horny). F*cking a 7, even several nights a week, is better than f*cking no 8's (or anyone) every night of the week. Its not a crime (neither is taking home a 7 and waking up with a 4 -- so I've heard).

OTOH, I am aware that not everyone feels this way.

[Fastpiston]

So in my report that I just uploaded on Monday night AC adventures, I ran into the problem that has been discussed at length on the AC forum (and elsewhere): The fact that while we are driven to these sex paradises in search of hot, cheap 18 years available in droves, what we now find is how difficult it is to pull girls between 18 and 21. I witnessed this in several forms last night.

Carousel.

I mentioned that as I found an empty booth from where I had been sitting, this young beauty around 21 years old took the stage, in stark contrast to the far less attractive ones who preceded her. I sat myself down in the booth and when the carousel took her around I got a good look at just how hot she was. Smoking body, young clean milky white flesh, tight but baby soft, long dark hair, and beautiful face. She saw me and I immediately gave her a little smile hoping that she'd return the flirtation. But out of the blue her face goes cold and she puts her palm on her lower abdomen and shakes her head no as the carousel takes her to the opposite side. WTF? Something I said? (I was well behaved, well groomed, and not looking too disagreeable I hope.) So I waited for her to come back around. And waited. And waited. And waited. She never came back to my side! So I stretch my head and saw her back to me at the other corner, but doing nothing. Suddenly her young (hot) female supervisor with spectacles comes up and starts screaming at her and banging a cup on the stage metal. She's yelling at her to get back to my side of the carousel. Yelling and yelling and yelling like a drill seargeant. But the girl just ignored her and refused to move or even acknowledge it. Was I that repulsive? Dunno, but I could only conclude that she was conspicuously avoiding me for no apparent reason. Ok, fuck it. I left.

Arabesque.

Next was the one and only really hot girl I saw at this Korean joint. She looked college age (around 20) really cosmopolitan in comparison to the other provincial girls (who were rather wild and unrestrained). Tall, beautiful and well built, I wanted to get her attention even as the other girls were staring me down. But this girl was just sitting on the front of the stage staring down blankly at the floor. Her face looked totally dejected, kind of like "Is this all I have to look forward to in my life?" (I'm not preaching here. I'd like to violate every inch of her body for the right price.).

But I did everything short of jumping up and down on my table like a chimpanzee to get her attention, but not even the slightest hint of acknowledging my presence. Ok, fuck it. I left.

"Anonymous".

The final story, and last straw, occurred at a bar whose name will not be mentioned (for fear of retribution). But to keep you out of the dark, its name is a word that has multiple meanings:

1. The word we use for people (plural) who pull the trigger of a gun.

2. The word we use to describe a very small glass that holds especially potent but tiny cocktails that we down in one quick gulp.

3. The word we might incorrectly use when describing the number of orgasms we negotiate for in a given punt.

In case you still haven't identified the establishment, its name rhymes with several other words:

1. It rhymes with the name (hint: begins with letter H) of an American bar chain named with after a slang word for large female breasts (hint: It is not "Knockers".

2. It rhymes with the word (hint: begins with the letter L) (plural) used to describe people who commit large-scale robberies, often in large groups, during blackouts or times of social unrest.

3. It rhymes with the word (hint: begins with the letters sc) (plural) used for a 2-wheeled gas powered motor vehicle (hint: it is not motorbike, moped, or motorcycle).

So without divulging the name of the establishment, I was there last evening minding my own business and voyeuring over my cold beer at not so attractive go go dancers. The waitress confirmed BFs of 4000, and I was not interested until this very attractive girl, I would say mid 20's, with all the right body features got on stage, mainly with her back to me. I did not wait long before enquiring with the waitress: was the girl available for BF? Oh yes. And the waitress immediately went and fetched her to my table.

I cannot say that we hit it off well, but the girl kept close to me with her hands on my legs. First flag was the cranberry juice she ordered for her LD. You don't drink? "I do, but not tonight. Why, you want to get me drunk?

There was no flow to the conversation, but I mainly just wanted to make my way out with her. I asked her age and reacted with disbelief when she said 19. (I do not believe she was that young.) But as she nearly finished her drink I asked about whether she would BF and come back with me and she said ok. I wanted to leave but flag 2, she wanted another drink first. Far against my instincts and better judgment I agreed to that. So as she quickly finished her 2nd cranberry juice, I reconfirmed the Terms of Agreement time, no go activities, # of shots etc). All reconfirmed without argument, and as I said "let's go" she suddenly says: "I'm having my period. Maybe you can come back tomorrow night and let's see. ".

(Moment of restrained silence.).

Of course, being the straight shooter (crash! Bang! Hint!) that I am, I pointed out that she already agreed to come with me and should have mentioned the "period" much sooner. "Oh but my auntie is working here and I don't want to be seen leaving by her)(blah blah blah).

I immediately called for the manager and a male (local) comes to the table. I explain to him the situation and he barks something at her (like, do you really have your period? Pointing to her lower belly). He then apologizes and offers to give me a free beer. "I don't want a free beer. She shouldn't have ordered the LDs after agreeing to BF".

- M: "Oh but we already have written on the receipts. " V: "They're just pieces of paper. ".

- M: "Oh but we can't tell the girls who to BF with. " V: "I know. So she should have informed me before she agreed to the BF and ordered that drink. ".

- M: "Oh but it would be bad business to waive the fee. " V: ". " (You can imagine my composed response).

In the end, he ended up taking her side, refused to waive the LD, and quickly exited (no where to be found after that). So I kept calm (breathe. Breathe. Breathe). , paid the 800+ peso bill and left without looking at anyone.

Back to the point about the millennial attitude. Just as we were waiting for the manager to come, the girl asks in a provocative manner (like poking me): "Are you angry??

So to relate back to some of the discussions taking place recently on this AC forum, yes younger girls are brazenly determining their own terms of engagement, cunningly devising ways to scam guys out of drink commissions with no intention of bar fining, and getting the tacit support (at this particular, unnamed establishment anyway) of their eviscerated (meaning guys who have their balls missing) supervisors.

On the positive side, Over 4 days, I have only experienced real negativism with this one (unnamed) establishment. All the others have been rather courteous and professional (aside from mamasans and waitresses asking for drinks).

So beware gents: If you happen to go into an AC establishment with a name that might fit the criteria above and start buying lady drinks for young dancers claiming to be 19 and promising to go home with you before they suddenly remember, after you buy them multiple LDs, that they accidentally forgot to tell you that they are "having their period" and you get scammed out of a little drink money (ok I can walk away from 600 pesos easily enough), and you get no positive response from the management when you complain. Don't say I didn't warn you!

Welcome to the new mongering millennium. Shit!Never forget they are working girls there to suck money from your wallet.

[Volterra]

Never forget they are working girls there to suck money from your wallet.Thanks Fp. I never forgot. It's a matter of having to agree to certain bottom lines, and if a girl / bar crosses those lines, then I'm not sure one can defend oneself without giving up on the whole scene.

Just I didn't listen to my inner voice when she ordered the 2nd LD. That was red flag that I recognized and didn't heed.

If you have similar experiences and can offer some insight on how you would have handled it (girl and bar manager), I'd appreciate it. I'm all ears.

[NapaSlapper]

I would argue that a stroll thru the WS bars on most nights, especially the bars with lots of girls, will find you at least a handful of 'model-material' beauties, and possibly several in each of the larger bars. That doesn't mean that they are all bar-fine-able tonight (for any number of reasons given by the girl). But some are. Also, there is no reason that even a picky fella can't take a step down the next lowest number in order to get laid (assuming he's horny). F*cking a 7, even several nights a week, is better than f*cking no 8's (or anyone) every night of the week. Its not a crime (neither is taking home a 7 and waking up with a 4 -- so I've heard).

OTOH, I am aware that not everyone feels this way.Model material beauties? Either you have not been to angeles in a very long time westy or when you say walking st bars your refering to the one in pattaya LOL.

I'm interested to know Why guys that have to travel half way around the world spending thosands of usd to do so would want to have to settle for not what they wanted or have to lower their expectations to get laid, why not just pick another destination where ones ideal girls are available at similar costs, going by the very few western tourists in angeles it looks like many are doing just that.

[Dg8787]

I would argue that a stroll thru the WS bars on most nights, especially the bars with lots of girls, will find you at least a handful of 'model-material' beauties, and possibly several in each of the larger bars. That doesn't mean that they are all bar-fine-able tonight (for any number of reasons given by the girl). But some are. Also, there is no reason that even a picky fella can't take a step down the next lowest number in order to get laid (assuming he's horny). F*cking a 7, even several nights a week, is better than f*cking no 8's (or anyone) every night of the week. Its not a crime (neither is taking home a 7 and waking up with a 4 -- so I've heard).

OTOH, I am aware that not everyone feels this way.Yes WC some come to fuck.

Some are envious of the ones that fuck.

Some are envious of ones that fuck more than one.

Some are smooth cock blockers.

6, 7, and 8+'s are all fuckable depending on the time of day and circumstances for the sexually active mongers.

AC still delivers.

For some after all is said and done, more was said than done.

[NapaSlapper]

Thanks Fp. I never forgot. It's a matter of having to agree to certain bottom lines, and if a girl / bar crosses those lines, then I'm not sure one can defend oneself without giving up on the whole scene.

Just I didn't listen to my inner voice when she ordered the 2nd LD. That was red flag that I recognized and didn't heed.

If you have similar experiences and can offer some insight on how you would have handled it (girl and bar manager), I'd appreciate it. I'm all ears.1st thing to do is stop beating yourself up over it, it happens, some girls are experts at their trade and pull the same stunt multiple times in one night, the girl had reeled you in by telling you all that you wanted to hear and get your hopes up, its not easy to spot the scam early, you did nothing wrong.

As far as bar owners / managers siding with the girl, of course they do customers come and go but finding another high earning younger cutie to work the bar is like finding rocking horse shite so of course he sided with her.

Keep on doing what your doing, most enjoy your reports and your happy with your girls, put losses small or big down to the price of doing business in the new Angeles city.

[WestCoast1]

Model material beauties? Either you have not been to angeles in a very long time westy or when you say walking st bars your refering to the one in pattaya LOL.Agreed, Thai gogo bargirls are built better. I was in AC in September. I saw cuties in several bars, and hotties in Atlantis (and a great 2-girl pole dance) and Vikings.

To be fair, I saw the ugliest set of gogo ladies at the eastern (McDo / MacArthur) end of WS, walking towards McDo, the last set of bars on the right. A tout will walk you back thru an open-air resto to the bar (can't remember the name), an American wild-west-themed bar. A dozen gals aged late 30's and 40's, all overweight, dancing on a stage. Yuck!

Also directly across the street (north side) in one of the last bars towards McDo, two pretty door girls convinced me to look inside. Have to walk back thru a hallway to reach the seating / bar area. Several gogo girls were sound asleep in booths at 11 pm. I was the only customer. Only the bartender was awake, and jumped up and started to rouse them to get them dancing or to greet me. I turned and walked. What business keeps the lights on and lets the talent sleep?


I'm interested to know Why guys that have to travel half way around the world spending thosands of usd to do so would want to have to settle for not what they wanted or have to lower their expectations to get laid, why not just pick another destination where ones ideal girls are available at similar costs, going by the very few western tourists in angeles it looks like many are doing just that.I think there are fewer Western tourists in general. I reported Phils DOT data recently for 2022 (Phils re-opened in February), showing just under 1 million tourists entered the country, as opposed to 8+ million who entered in 2019 (the year prior to pandemic). I would be interested to see similar Thai numbers.

Regarding prices. A hottie in my country (not at the AMPS) will in-call for $400-$1,000 per hour, watch the clock, allow you 1 shot, and require a condom. A hottie in Mexico will run you $80-$150 for the same. A Burgos gogo hottie will run you $200 for the night, to include 2 pops (morning and evening), no condom. Things are a bit more dicey in AC, you are more likely to get ST for $100 unless you want to toss in a tip for LT. Compared to my country, I could have 1 hottie for an hour for $1000, or stay in Phils and have 5 cuties for a night each.

Six of one, half-dozen of the other.


Yes WC some come to fuck. Some are envious of the ones that fuck. Some are envious of ones that fuck more than one. Some are smooth cock blockers.

6, 7, and 8+'s are all fuckable depending on the time of day and circumstances for the sexually active mongers. AC still delivers. For some after all is said and done, more was said than done.I seemed to have survived my time (s) there.

[WestCoast1]

If you have similar experiences and can offer some insight on how you would have handled it (girl and bar manager), I'd appreciate it. I'm all ears.PM me when you get the PM function, I have an idea for you regarding this.

[Goferring]

If you have similar experiences and can offer some insight on how you would have handled it (girl and bar manager), I'd appreciate it. I'm all ears.I regard going into GoGos the same as Casinos. You enter and pay your money to have some fun, not break the bank. Should you win big / get laid by a 19 yo stunner, then that's a bonus not the expected outcome.

Specifically, you paid for her company, some eye candy, and hopefully some groping while in the bar. I'll agree the broken promise to barfine sucks but that is hardly a surprise today. If you want to test her honesty and intent, just tell her you prefer to give her money rather than the bar and that you wil tip her 3 drinks' commission back in your room. If she still insists on drinking in the bar then you know she has no intention of actually leaving with you. It's the same as the bus fare scam in the provinces: why would she prefer being sent cash to rattle around in the back of a jeepney vs a prepaid Grab??

Remember the Philippines insistence on instant gratification. You should doing the same. Pay for lady drinks to receive groping, kissing, and general good times now, not as a inducement to barfine later.

Good luck. G.

[Dg8787]

Thanks for both your responses FG. You obviously have a long life of great indulgence to look forward with both looks and sensibility. Still being good looking and in your 40's changes the perspective greatly, especially since you still look to be in your 30's. You are going to get attention just by being there, and you are doing something that I kind of wish I had started doing 15 years ago -- playing both the civilian and PPM game. (I tried almost exclusively with civs until just before covid and see now that I added years of angst on all those weekends that I struck out, even if there were plenty where I didn't). So not at all to sound condescending, but your looks and physique will inevitably have to go at some point (probably in 10-15 years, and unexpectedly once over 50). As for now, you can approach a place like Mega with a completely different winner's strategy than the over 55 solo guys like me. So I am going to keep living vicariously through you and the other superstars here. (I'm just an advancing novice for my age.).

As for the Carousel dance manager, our Q Bar sweetie and I ran into her walking home with another western gentleman on our way back to the hotel. She is fucking hot with that librarian look, and seems she may well be available (unless he is her BF). I may test that myself (though other guys reading this will probably flock to her now, my self inflicted wound for ISG altruism and brotherhood).

Thanks also for the perspective on the scam. I was damn furious at the moment and wasn't sure I could cool down after that. Good to get perspective from the bros here so that I do not dwell on it. Looking forward to reading of your adventures in the coming decades sir!My best sound advice to you. Get the fuck over it! Go out and fuck some more. If a girl tags you for one or two drinks, so what! Interview another one. I have seen mongers lose their hard-on for days being angry over some small shit. Yes, I have been scammed and expect to be again and again. I limit my losses to acceptable levels. Get back out there.

[Volterra]

My best sound advice to you. Get the fuck over it! Go out and fuck some more. If a girl tags you for one or two drinks, so what! Interview another one. I have seen mongers lose their hard-on for days being angry over some small shit. Yes, I have been scammed and expect to be again and again. I limit my losses to acceptable levels. Get back out there.All good advice and well received from Dg8787, Goferring, WC1, and NS. Indeed, get over it and move on is effective. It's what I advised a couple of dudes who got pulled into LB ass on the spur of the moment and were half suicidal the next day. Just get the fuck over it and get straight back out to find a honey to make you forget.

For me, wasn't sure I was going to be able to recover after storming ouf of the bar, but determined to do so. And in defense of AC, there were still plenty of late night options for doing so. Ended up shooting out my scam frustration on the gorgeous ass of an aging hottie. It's more or less forgotten by now, but will double up my efforts to nip these things in the bud with some of your sound advice. Good on ya.

[NapaSlapper]

Agreed, Thai gogo bargirls are built better. I was in AC in September. I saw cuties in several bars, and hotties in Atlantis (and a great 2-girl pole dance) and Vikings.

To be fair, I saw the ugliest set of gogo ladies at the eastern (McDo / MacArthur) end of WS, walking towards McDo, the last set of bars on the right. A tout will walk you back thru an open-air resto to the bar (can't remember the name), an American wild-west-themed bar. A dozen gals aged late 30's and 40's, all overweight, dancing on a stage. Yuck!

Also directly across the street (north side) in one of the last bars towards McDo, two pretty door girls convinced me to look inside. Have to walk back thru a hallway to reach the seating / bar area. Several gogo girls were sound asleep in booths at 11 pm. I was the only customer. Only the bartender was awake, and jumped up and started to rouse them to get them dancing or to greet me. I turned and walked. What business keeps the lights on and lets the talent sleep?

I think there are fewer Western tourists in general. I reported Phils DOT data recently for 2022 (Phils re-opened in February), showing just under 1 million tourists entered the country, as opposed to 8+ million who entered in 2019 (the year prior to pandemic). I would be interested to see similar Thai numbers.

Regarding prices. A hottie in my country (not at the AMPS) will in-call for $400-$1,000 per hour, watch the clock, allow you 1 shot, and require a condom. A hottie in Mexico will run you $80-$150 for the same. A Burgos gogo hottie will run you $200 for the night, to include 2 pops (morning and evening), no condom. Things are a bit more dicey in AC, you are more likely to get ST for $100 unless you want to toss in a tip for LT. Compared to my country, I could have 1 hottie for an hour for $1000, or stay in Phils and have 5 cuties for a night each.

Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

I seemed to have survived my time (s) there.Yes fully agree when one compares the usa or australian prices to asian prices asia seems cheaper, but why not compare phills To other asian destinations which would be more more apples to apples.

Ill take just one little street in just one little thai city, that being soi 6 pattaya, where just in that 1 street there are more 18-20 year old young, slim, attractive girls than the whole of the bars in the phills put together IMHO, what's more no bullshit in soi 6,no drinks only girls, no virgins, no only asian girls, no switch and bait, just hundreds of willing girls that will fuck and suck right there and then and all for the bargain price of 1000 baht (1650 peso) want the soi 6 girl for long time then many are willing to negotiate a price, usually 2,000- 3,000 baht all night.

Try finding an 18-20 year old cutie that is willing to fuck right there and then with an older westerner especially long time in an angeles bar, impossible.

Now one realises why angeles bars are dead of western punters and the bars of thailand are standing room only.

[Volterra]

Well rested after long Tuesday dry sleep, munched on some Mexican for dinner and then straight to XS, my only bar of the evening, where I intended to search and destroy. First, up front I will say that after 3 XS visits and 1 overnight BF, I would downgrade my assessment of XS from previous reports, for a few main reasons:

-It has the appearance of offering dozens of hot young girls, but in the end they are more young than hot.

-It gives top preference to its Korean group clientele.

-Complicated staff organization makes it difficult to claim the girl you had 1st dibs on.

-Endless, painfully long dance performances between "model" viewing.

-You can't really see what you are BFing til you get back to the hotel.

I got there a little after 9 and went straight upstairs so I could get an overhead view (standing over the railing, a bit better for evaluating their camouflaged curves). It was in the middle of a long dance entertainment set (a lot of hot dancers, obviously designed to get your hopes up, even though they do not generally BF). There was this younger Eastern European guy just sitting alone at the side of the balcony with a water, not paying attention. I wondered why he wasn't watching but realized his strategy as I was already on my 2nd beer before the dancing stopped and BFable girls finally came on stage. The moment they came on he popped up, and the moment he saw the girl he was waiting for (not all that attractive to me, but there is the "eye of the beholder" argument), he shouted to the waitress and she was up with him in an instant. (They were gone in less than 5 minutes.).

When the "models" come on stage, there is this sudden flood of the senses. You suddenly have dozens of (seemingly) hot chicks, in their 20's, most with pretty faces, heavy makeup, & fashionable hair styles. They are in 2 groups:

Group 1 By far the larger group (around 25) are wearing long semi-see through black gowns and some sort of black lingerie (more like shorts and belly shirts) underneath.

Group 2 There is a smaller group of 5-8 "black star dancers" wearing only red bikinis with black stars pasted over their boobs. You get a proper look at these girls. A few of these are really hot, while the other few have hot features but visible flaws that keep them from getting BFs early.

Prices quoted by waitresses and mamasans (separate mamasans on GF and balcony, not coordinated and even seem competing with each other) are 4000ST / 5000 LT overnight, same price for both groups. LDs are on the high side at 350 per drink.

The overhead lighting enhances the mirage of bright young faces, and the gowns on group 1 both obscure your eye access to their body shape and like the darkness of night in your bedroom create mystique that deceives you into imagining that they have tight bellies, even if a bit rotund.

Knowing that you have van loads of Korean guys already throwing wads of 20's onto the stage and about to laser the best lookers down to their tables (it all comes at once, looking like the space battle scene from Moonraker), you start to panic and try to make a macro assessment of the talent so you can pick your 1 or 2 top choices and a short list of backups. It is chaos to the depraved mind. I can kind of relate to how that herd of African buffalo seem to the preying lions or wildebeests to the crocodiles as they stand and forage or drink. You know you need to act fast.

And yeah you do because it takes a long time to see through those gowns. To make matters worse, they stand in very tight formations and do not turn their backs to the audience, so you can't get a good look at their full figures. Just as you are starting to narrow it down, the announcer calls another marathon dance performance! So you are trying to memorize your mental notes and get a glimpse of ass as they all walk off stage. Pain in the ass!

One of the longer benches overlooking center stage (one of the view good voyeuring spots up there) opened up, so I took a seat. But it was only about 10 minutes before a security guy (not a waitress) came and told me I had to vacate for a "reservation," which turned out to be a couple of older, bulging Korean guys. Made it pretty clear where I stood in the pecking order as a single westerner at that bar. Even though (according to my BF cutie back in bed) the main boss is an American guy, it clearly works from a network of interconnected Korean-PH business interests (between the bar, local tour companies where you have middle age female tour guides sitting with their Korean clients, and visiting Korean businessmen). I think in general, the pecking order is Korean group / pair first, non-Korean group second, solo Korean third and solo non-Korean last.

I say this because of what happened next. I decided I had seen enough from above and wanted to get a comfortable seat with a different view on the main floor. So I paid up (had to wait forever for my change) and thanked the upstairs mamasan before going down. I had not really spotted any girls to my immediate liking yet, but as I walked downstairs, my light switch finally turned on when one of the red bikini hotties, around 20, walked past and I got a closeup of her beautiful face, model's hair, shining tight skin and smoking ass walking back toward the stage.

Where the fuck is a waitress when you need one? I wanted to get a waitress to grab her and take a seat with me but as usual there were no waitresses to be found until the girl was out of sight. Took my GF seat with a new beer and then they did a feature on just the black star models in the red bikinis. Once my first choice took stage I had my waitress laser her and actually go backstage to tell her to come out once they were finished. (For this portion, BTW, they take off their bikini tops and flash their beautiful tits covered only by the little stars. All natural and all very shapely). They all went back out on stage once more and, sniffing that I might get "outbid" by a Korean VIP, I made a list of several hot backups. All the sudden there were lasers fucking everywhere. The girls left stage and my waitress ran to try to find the girl. While waiting, I saw all my backups walk out to other Korean tables, and my waitress returned with a somber face telling me she had been claimed upstairs (even though I had requested her long before anyone else). "And she is having her period today anyway" BS BS BS.

I would have gladly fucked any of the remaining red bikinis, some with very hot bodies, but it just was not clicking. Finally Group 1 came back on and there was this new tall hottie, very thin with nice tits and smile, that I had not seen there before (she had been at a table). I lasered her and she (named JM) came to my table very friendly. But she was clearly older than she seemed on stage, saying she was 26 but I would put her at 36. Still her mom was Filipina and deceased dad was German, giving her a really special look. She said she lives not far but she was quick to point out that she lives with family and has 2 kids. I took the cue and asked her about BF. She could do ST only. So I told her sorry I was really looking for overnight. No problem at all, she then recommended this very young petite girl at the far end of stage. (Turns out JM is kind of an assistant mamasan. Really nice and professional, and still beautiful. Maybe go for an ST with her at some point.).

I had seen this shorty when I was in the balcony. She caught my eye because she was cute but totally hiding in the far back corner surrounded by taller girls, so I could not get a look at her body at all. Now that JM pointed her out, I remembered her just as she walked to the front center of stage with a few other girls. She was suddenly laughing (showing big white teeth) and joking around and even dancing well (after not moving at all before). And she seemed petite, which is one of my weaknesses (I love manhandling those tiny spinners), and as much as I could tell a petite belly and decent little ass. So I had JM laser her and bought her a drink.

I could tell a lot of the staff liked this girl but some of the models didn't. This girl (Cristin) is really green. 22 and still living in the province with her family (she commutes 2 hours each way every day when not BFd), her hands were sweaty because she was so nervous. She was unpretentious and super funny from the onset, so we hit it off laughing, joking, and stroking right away. She is super tiny 4'11 and 40 kgs. Pretty cute but she just cut her hair short, and she has bags under her eyes from the nasty commute (kind of like the international flight attendants get from constant jetlag). I still couldn't see her belly / ass but she felt good and had a nice natural bust on her, so I BFd her after one drink.

While waiting for her to change, the dancers came back on. Fucking hot girls! But according to Cristin, most XS girls are super bitchy. Cristin seems to be the protected, beloved little sis, because even as we walked out, she had JM, waitresses, and male security all smiling and routing her on. Was she going to be any good in bed?

Hell yeah. Back in my room and so much for innocent sweetie. She went after me with kisses and feeling the lb. We took separate showers (unfortunately), but back on the bed and slurp slurp slurp DATY on the sweet little pussy of hers, back and forth with sucking on those nice nipples sticking up. Best of all was her BBBJ skill. She must have got that thing going for several years because she was a fucking porn star with her licking up, down and sideways, sucking on the balls like a blowfish, and dropping gobs of saliva down my shaft before slurping it up and digging the tip of her tongue in the mouth of my little head. Got that tiny body doing cowgirl and crab position on me, then reverse cowgirl, and it was off to the races. Had a great first session. She loved the sidewinder, staring at my cock as it drilled into her and playing with herself using her right hand. Eventually we finished in doggie style but with my arms wrapped around her pressing into her tits and her almost sitting on my cock. I exploded onto her ass and it was time to take a rest.

I thought we might sleep, though it was only just past midnight. But after about 10 minutes rest she got me going again. We went into session 2 for another 15 minutes or so, but I could not spew it this time and we eventually gave up and went to sleep. Or at least she did. Like my Friday night girl, she snored crazy loud all night. How can such a tiny snout produce that kind of noise?

Finally around 6:30 I realized I did not sleep enough to do a morning session, though she would have been fine with a round 3. I slipped the curtains open so I could photograph her before she left, but once the covers came off, I was kind of disappointed. Her body was petite and not fat but she actually had a bit of a belly that I could not notice when she was in that stage gown. Still, she had been good fun and a great night time shag, cute-funny-sexy-petite, so I gave her 500 in tip and sent her off just after 7, giving me enough sleep to get back out tonight. And she was shy about taking photos, so my pics here are not very good. But they give you an idea of how the "hot" XS girls may or may not look when they are naked.

On this note, and coincidentally, as I peered down from my hotel balcony during late morning coffee today around noon, I saw that one of my Japanese hotel mates had BFd one of the XS girls on my short list from last night. They were both at the pool (she did not have a bikini, just a shirt covering herself most of the time, but she had her medium heel bar slippers). I recognized her face because she was tall, about 20, and super beautiful Japanese looking on stage. (I struggled to get a good look at her belly and ass for a long time before BFing my little cutie at the bar.) After coffee I went down for my swim and they were still there. I got a closer view and am glad I did not BF her. Like my girl, she was not nearly as attractive (nice but a little plump) once I saw that belly. Small AC world.

So back to XS, I'm not as high on it as before. Part of it is timing, part of it is setup, part of it is chaos, and part of it is model attitude. You really need to get there for an early set around 8 so you have more time to stare and assess, then make an early BF bid. I would avoid arriving around 9:30 like I did because that 9:45 dance show goes on for like 45 minutes (one dance group after another). Like seriously? You are at a disadvantage if you are solo, though the service improved for me though the night, but remember all is fair in love and lasering the girl you want, so no guarantees on that front (much depending on where your own waitress is in the bar hierarchy). Finally, according to my girl, a lot of girls who get BFd for overnight end up leaving and coming back to the bar before 3 am. She said a lot of the girls are not willing to spend the night or do a morning sex session. This has been discussed by other posts, but she says the attitude of a lot of her colleagues is really bitchy and bad.

With all the dance shows, XS is just as much for entertainment as anything, and I noticed some dudes there with their dates from the outside. (One western guy was with 2 young filipinas, and I heard him asking them, "Which one would you barfine?" LOL). You might take one of your dates there before going back to your room. If you want to make the most of it and get a good girl to take back, I suggest maybe going one night just for reconnaissance around 8 pm so you can make a short list then go to other bars. After that come back another night between 8 and 9 knowing who you want (like the young East European) and nab her the moment she walks out on stage.

I may not go back to XS this time. Not sure. It is the illusion of the young girls who just may not be as hot as they seem there. But there is also something I like about it, so maybe back there next trip.

[LoveItHere69]

Pay for lady drinks to receive groping, kissing, and general good times now, not as a inducement to barfine later.
That should be your interview right there. Talk is cheap. Her actions to you touching her, hugging her, possibly squeezing her boobs or kissing her should tell you practically everything. Not letting you hold her and touch her is a NO. I am not one of those trying to maul the girl and french kiss her in public (maybe a little near the back where it is hard to see). Many girls do not want their friends and other customers to see her do this. I find that in very poor taste. At a bar once finding a place to sit I tried putting my arm around and touched a dancers lower back and I must have cut her or burned her with how fast she moved away. Interview over. That saved me a Ladies Drink.

Eye contact is another which says volumes over what comes out of her mouth. If she is looking everywhere but at you then say goodbye. If the floor is getting more eye contact than you are then there may be a problem.

Granted, I am not professional. I am only passing on what I learned on a Youtube video.

[WestCoast1]

Ill take just one little street in just one little thai city, that being soi 6 pattaya, where just in that 1 street there are more 18-20 year old young, slim, attractive girls than the whole of the bars in the phills put together IMHO, what's more no bullshit in soi 6,no drinks only girls, no virgins, no only asian girls, no switch and bait, just hundreds of willing girls that will fuck and suck right there and then and all for the bargain price of 1000 baht (1650 peso) want the soi 6 girl for long time then many are willing to negotiate a price, usually 2,000- 3,000 baht all night.

Try finding an 18-20 year old cutie that is willing to fuck right there and then with an older westerner especially long time in an angeles bar, impossible.This is sound logic. But I prefer pinas. Have been to BKK / Patts, and its a good vacation destination when I am in the mood to be out of Phils.

[Goferring]

This is sound logic. But I prefer pinas. Have been to BKK / Patts, and its a good vacation destination when I am in the mood to be out of Phils.I think by any objective assessment of quality, headcount, availability, cost, other things to do, accomodation, food etc LOS / Pattaya is a hands down winner over PH / AC.

However, mongering there has become such an industrial complex that it's very mechanical. Great for those that want notches on the bed post. Less so for those that want a laugh or fun time. Pinas reputation for GFE and attitude is well earned and I find it much easier to enjoy myself in the PI generally.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

I am not one of those trying to maul the girl and french kiss her in public. I find that in very poor taste..I resent that. I'm a very classy monger. For the right girl, I'll even wear a washed Chang T-shirt and my best flip flops. 😜.

[Goferring]

Granted, I am not professional. I am only passing on what I learned on a Youtube video.Me too. I think I saw the same YouTube. Is that the one where he got a blow job under the stairs, hiding behind some post plants? Or when he gave a pole dancer DATY on the edge of the stage mid-routine? Who would possibly do such a thing? 😱.

[Volterra]

I think by any objective assessment of quality, headcount, availability, cost, other things to do, accomodation, food etc LOS / Pattaya is a hands down winner over PH / AC.

However, mongering there has become such an industrial complex that it's very mechanical. Great for those that want notches on the bed post. Less so for those that want a laugh or fun time. Pinas reputation for GFE and attitude is well earned and I find it much easier to enjoy myself in the PI generally.

Enjoy. G.This is a debate that will keep coming up (every week it seems) for the foreseeable future. I even find myself wavering with each trip. After my summer travels to PH-TH, I was higher on TH overall. But after the past six weeks in PP-Patt-BKK-AC, I got to agree with Goferring.

In Pattaya, the amazing Thai food has you in high spirits before any punting mission, chicks are everywhere and lots of hotties (though lots of notties aka not hotties as well), infrastructure is decades ahead, wide variety of accommodation, and good golfing / watersports / motorcycle excursions.

But the TH sex / tourism industrial complex is now beyond breaking point. The Thais I encountered everywhere in Patt / BKK this past trip were so unfriendly. The chicks were a terror to deal with, and the few that were nice to me were even mechanical in being polite (like they were holding their breath while doing so). Of all my Dec-Jan punts there, I can count only 1 who was pleasant start to finish so I could fully enjoy. And prices there (Soi 6 exempted) are on the verge of being unrealistic (I. E. , TH girls en masse are overestimating their worth), while Patt is just a fucking zoo with the sexpats. Like Goferring said, great for notching up numbers but only some guys will find it fun. I found it a pain in the ass after a while and just wanted to, frankly, get back to AC.

On the girl side and in general, this past week (knock on wood) in AC has been far better. Teenage pickpockets are nowhere to be seen (in August I was fighting them off everyday). LBs (on the street at least) have been far less aggressive and just leave me alone if I don't respond (in August they were constantly in my face). And every single one of the girls I have BFd has far surpassed any of my TH punts both trips, and for. 66 the cost (or less). (All but one have gone out of their way to make fucking enjoyable for both client and service provider. Hell yeah.) Just that the younger ones in AC are adopting the TH commercial complex attitude as well (had another 23 yr old try to scam me last night), and things are swinging in the wrong direction in AC too.

But it is like 3 the glasses. Sometimes your preference can change in an instant depending on what your mood is, what you are focused on, or what kind of mongering run you had in the past week. The market goes up and down in both place.

[Volterra]

Thursday Night Slam with Sizzling Spotlight Spinner.

Reading other reports over the months, some of you guys can keep the chase up 24-7-365 with an occasional night off. Not me. I usually have to recoil and rebuild steam. But the sexually charged AC atmosphere and chill sunny days have their effect on me too. My Wednesday girl kept me up half the night with her shagging and snoring, so last night was going to just be a "see how it goes for a couple drinks night and maybe turn in early. " I had a good Kimchee dinner and then next door to Insomnia for a couple Thursday country western night beers around 8. The place was full of dudes by 8:30 when the girls slid down the bat pole. There were a few decent lookers that I would gladly take back another night, but I was hungry for lighter skin Chinese or Eurasian looking talent last night. So good warmup at Insom and will be back there another night.

There are a couple of side street bars I have walked past but never been into, so I walked over to Las Vegas to check that out just before 9 pm. It was a big box style joint with about 20 girls sitting around. I was the only westerner in the place (about 10 Koreans were there) and 4 girls on stage doing this super sexy dance (2 of them looked very good and one slightly curvy one really caught my eye). I sat myself down and was served by this fucking annoying waitress who sat right next to me after bringing my beer. She refused to get lost and kept pretending to have to scratch some place so she could bump my elbow. I moved a few inches away and told her I just wanted to be alone, but she just replied "but I am your waitress. " (I'm like, FO!) She said BF was 4000 and LD350/150 my beer, but of course, at the one moment when I needed her to go grab the dancer girl, the waitress was tuned out and dicking around with the other waitresses. So my dancer was already out the front door.

Waitress 1 kept annoying me so I paid up. When she brought me the change I waited for her to go but she just stood there staring at me. Having enough, I took the entire change and walked out without leaving a tip. Out in front was the hot dancer (23 year old local girl named Lexy, yeah she started getting called Sexy Lexy when she was 17) vaping alone. I stopped and chatted with her and took her back inside for a drink at a different table and new equally annoying waitress. But the vibe from Lexy was not positive at this point. She sat just an inch from me, almost but not touching, with her arms folded and pretty much just looking straight ahead. Worse was when waitress 2 brought out drinks, W2 sat down with us right next to Lexy and would not fuck off. (I even waved goodbye to her and she just smiled and move away an inch f*ing be*tch) Lexy said "she's my cousin" (BS, different generation and no resemblance). As if that wasn't bad enough, new waitress 3 comes and sits herself at the table next to W2. Clearly this is not going in the right direction. In the meantime, every other K customer has left, so I am literally the only dude in the joint with 20+ girls just sitting the fuck around. After a little crap conversation with Lexy, I just ask her if she goes home with customers and she says flat out "no. " I immediately put my beer down in the middle of a sip and handed the 500 note to W2. As I got up, Lexy points to W2 and says "give her tip, give her tip. " Fuck no, and I walked out leaving LV with 0 customers and no plans to return.

Off to WS and into Lollipops but not an open seat in the joint. Then over to Monsoon, with just a few NMCOT girls on stage and a few customers. Very quiet so 3 sips and out the door. Then over to Carousel to see if the place would be in better shape than a few nights ago. Plenty of customers and 2-3 lookers on stage. 2 of them got BFd after about 15 minutes. They would have been good another night but they did not fit the Chinese-Eurasian bill for last night. But there were 2 Chinese looking hotties in the place, 1 younger (low 20's) on the dance floor and one slightly older (mid-late 20's) sitting with waitresses at one table and sipping cocktails with a different waitress at another table where a dancer was with quite an elderly gentleman, but the hot one did not seem to be "with" them.

The younger one finished her set and sat down a couple feet from me with another waitress (obviously not to be with me). She was hot and I tried to joke with her as she sat down. She kind of half smiled and replied but did not move any closer. Instead she took her shoes off and sat with both her feet crossed on her seat. Pretty casual and clearly not there to get BFd, I did not pay anymore attention to her, trying to see of the older hot one might become available or take the stage. But she did not and there was no sign of new girls on the horizon. I got bored and left.

I decided to pop into Atlantis next door. So strange how these places can be rocking one night and dead the next. And they might be packed with customers but no girls or just the opposite. Atlantis was roaring with customers on Wednesday but last night it was a nearly empty audience and some 25 girls, many of them looking alright. But my one impression of Atlantis from this past summer and again this week is that it is lagging on the work morale front. I walked upstairs and only 1 other guy was all by himself. Rather than greet and seat me, all the waitresses were just sitting around, slouched in the best seats (one of which I wanted). They did not even notice me come in until mamasan (equally lethargic) finally saw me and barked at them to vacate. So I took my seat just overlooking center stage and finally got someone to bring me a beer.

The girls on stage and sitting above and behind stage were not any more energetic. Just standing around looking listless. But there was some eye candy to mentally lick and I was homing in on several just in the first wave (and there would be many more in the 2nd wave later as I was leaving). I was narrowing it down for laser time when a dance show came on and the previous girls went from stage out to the audience and upstairs. Once the new music started, I noticed this smoking hot chick standing up above and behind stage not far from me. Fucking hot! She and the 2 girls next to her started mimicking all the dance moves going on down on stage at that moment. She moved, was built and was dressed differently than the 2 levels of model girls or stage dancers. She was one of the few spotlight dancers, and she looked half Asian half Russian 25 years old, 5'2", 45 kg, toned belly / legs / arms / ass, thick long hair, green implanted eye lenses, lighter skin, and fuck that girl could gyrate like a pro. To boot, she was smiling and having fun, as if she has a personality. Bingo.

No one else even noticed her tucked away in that upper corner. And her waitress buddy happened to be right behind me (for once), so I asked about BFs 4000 for one of the colors (forget which) and 5000 for the other. And that spotlight dancer over there, is she available. Yes, also 5000.

"I would like to invite her to my table".

She was seated with me smiling and shaking my hand in an instant. Friendly, very talkative, affectionate and exotic looking and sounding. Her accent did not sound Filipina to me, it really sounded Eastern European, but when I asked if her dad was Russian or something, she said no, she is 100% filipina, but went to some special international school so maybe had a slightly different accent. Man, she looked just like a light brunette Russian beauty queen. 5 minutes in and I enquired about BF. She said ok, but she was going to have to get back to the bar before 2.

Turns out she has a boyfriend who calls from Europe every night when the bar closes at 2 am. He was a customer when they met and fell for her. In spite of this, she claims he does not know that she BFs customers now (seriously dude, get the fuck with it). She says she also had other long distance ex-customer boyfriends in the past. Go figure. (This includes an Aussie who broke her heart and led her to get her one barely visible tattoo on the sole of her foot, so she looks totally classic clean. Holy fuck!) Not a surprise, this chick is mighty special on all fronts, so I could see the appeal, but I aint never going to do the BF-to-BF (barfine to boyfriend) routine.

Anyway, it was barely past 10 so alright by me. She went and changed and was even more stunning when she came back out. A real glamour girl, which wasn't lost on the flower ladies when we exited WS. They rushed her, expecting me to shower her with flowers (which I did not). Freaking flower lady pestered us a half a block, carrying her son in one hand and a shitload of roses in the other. I finally turn to the hag and said "look, it aint going to happen," and she withered away.

Back on the balcony, 5th night out of 7, and a great way to get the session going. For the girls it is kind of a quiet romantic setting (I could give a shit myself, but hell, whatever gets them hot). Overlooking the still lit pool with the evening lights from the other nearby hotels. I pulled her hair back and started kissing her neck and when I went to her ear she let out this soft high-pitched yelp, and I was back off to the races. (Guess tonight's "quiet evening" would have to wait until 2 am.).

At first she closed the bathroom door to shower alone but I gently knocked and asked if we could shower together (I love lathering up those tits and buns and scrubbing that anus clean). She said sure, and in the shower I realized I may be in danger of underperforming by virtue of being so mesmerized by her beauty. (Strangely, though it happens with some of the hotter girls, she said she lacks confidence in her looks. It maybe BS or maybe from only comparing herself to the high class models. She maybe cannot even see how she compares to most girls. All fine for me.) So I made sure that I kept my hands and tongue busy, and yep, little brother responded like a faithful sidekick.

She dried up first and was lying on her back in bed waiting for me with lights out and city lights shining in from outside. (Enjoy the photos below gents.) There were so many things I wanted to do to that body and face that I did not even know where to begin. How do you bros decide where to start? Dunno about you, but for me, "when in doubt, start at the nipples, alternate right nipple-DFK-left nipple-DFK-guess which nipple-then tongue southwards via belly button and onward to the creamy little love triangle".

Fuck was that a delicious little wettened package she has. I mean, you know the ones who are really hot when it is not just about beautiful face, tight body, projected nipples and supple skin, but the pussy is just creamy milky smooth and tasty. That was her. And she let out those high pitched squeaks louder and louder over the next 30 minutes.

Full of decisions as the DATY went on. Like "I want to keep doing this, but I need to feel her lips around my cock, and I also need to bone that dick down deep". Fuck, why can't we do all at once, ya know?

So I opted for 69.

Apparently, with me on bottom, she didn't mind my tongue traveling from clit to vag to anus back to vag to clit (with accelerating repetition), because after the first 10 seconds she adjusted her knee and head position so she could reverse deep throat (shit, every girl this past week has been a debby deep throater. Thank you PH education system!) with maximum mouth lubrication. Everything we did just notched up the thrill factor for me. So next was BBBJ. I would rate hers overall as bronze medalist of the 5 this week, with 1 honorable mention to her: she executed the longest saliva dribble I have ever experienced. Just after one of her deep throat passes, she brought her mouth up so it was hovering like 6 inches over my LB head. Then she let out this long single stream of slobber down to my dick. It didn't even break! And she followed straight down, catching it back with her mouth as she continued in for another deep throat. Shit shit shit!

Don't want to bore anyone here with details, but once my dick was inside her (she is the only 1 so far this week insisting that I put my Magnum on BTW, she left the dom she had brought herself on my bed stand and forgot to take it with her) she was yelping so loud I nearly had to pacify her. I was getting so fucking excited that I was completely led by the hardened Mr little bro, just pumping and slamming and pounding and ramming in every position I could think of. She was that hot 25 year old I have seen at so many clubs over the decades but haven't enjoyed much of in recent years. But her yelps kept some of that softness that went along with every other one of her sweet features. Off to doggie position and again with my arms around her shoulders then grabbing and pulling her arms back as I stared at that shapely back before unwrapping and firing.

Afterwards we laid there talking a lot and stroking. I could have done one more short session (yeah the 5000 was expensive for an extended ST of 3 hours, but she is top tier / premium stock), but I felt really satisfied and just looked forward to a long sleep having shot half my body fluid onto her back. Got her out by 1:30 so she could sweet talk with her Euro boy by 2, and sweet cherry dreams for me all the way til my 11:30 am morning coffee on the balcony. Afternoon rejuv swim and back out for the last venture or 2 in AC over the weekend.

[Volterra]

Friday Fornication with Tall Princess Stunner Eating My Own Words.

I have been lazy all week with getting out to the bars on the earlier side, and the Friday AC vibe was getting crazy with all the weekend tourist arrivals, so I wanted to be sure and get out closer to 8. Had an awesome chicken jalapeno pizza (big thumbs up) at Envy and started by popping into the Body Shop just around the corner. It was my first time there and was not happening, so I left after one sip. Then a couple beers at Lollipops. That place is always packed. I like the joint a lot but really could only locate 2 or 3 girls that I would BF. I invited one of the spotlight dancers to my table but she said someone already bought her a drink, so sorry but nice to meet you. I did not really get it, since she and other dancers were standing at a table with one guy who was playing with another dancer and they did not seem to have drinks in hand. And he left just a minute later and they all moved to the opposite side of the room with no customer, but she did not come back and take me up. In the meantime, papasan threw Nina next to me. She is actually one of the hotter ones there but not my Friday night flavor so I did not offer a drink. Paid up after 2 beers and off to the eastern end of WS to see if Dragon might be in better shape on a Friday.

It was not. There were more customers and more women on stage at 8:45, but none of them seemed very attractive to me (and their bodies are covered with the winter dresses that look like Korean housewife style). 3 sips of my Pilzen and I was gone. Peeked into Baccara and nothing going there. Ignored Viking for fear of LBs, peaked into Lucifer and almost dead. At that point, I could pretty much cross eastern WS off the to-visit list.

I had not made it back to ABC yet, so I decided to walk down there and see if it might have better prospects after 10:30 on a weekend. When I got to the rooftop, it was busy, but with virtually all couples and groups. I was the only single person in the place, and that did not change until I left at 11:30. So unless it changes after midnight, I do not see any of the hype. (And it is not my kind of place at all.) For those who are not hotel guests, there is a 500 minimum spend, so I ordered a beer (140) and complimentary nuts and fresh spring rolls (410) to munch on. The spring rolls took 30 minutes to arrive (had to ask my waiter twice) and they completely fell apart the moment you picked them up. Anyway just wanted to get my 500 minimum worth and get out, so off I walked back to WS.

Now after exactly a week in AC, I started to sense the political stickiness of the go go bar scene. FuriousGeorge mentioned 1 month being enough because everybody knew him and that the girls he had already BFd were basically cool with him BFing someone else at their bar, but still something to think about. I started to see the predicament (this is for dudes with less AC experience. I am sure the old AC hands have no problem handling this, and I have seen some of them maneuver it easily). I had BFd girls from most of the bars that I wanted to revisit last night, so I suddenly had to consider how to dance on thin ice around possible mines. What I got from last night was that it is easier to lay low in the larger places than in the tiny intimate ones (may seem obvious).

It was already 11:30 and, forgetting that Geckos closes at midnight, I went in hoping that my Sunday Gecko sweetie might have been BFd (wanted to haul in one of the other short listers). At first I did not see her so sat myself right in the middle table, but I could sense some hesitation from mamasan and waitress, and even a few of the girls seemed to stiffen up. This may have been because it was almost closing time and they just wanted to fly off work. But immediately after they delivered my beer, my Sunday sweety walks out from the back and passes me (without acknowledgment, no worries, I fully understand it is business, for both of us) as she joins a gentleman at the end table. I took this as a plus so now I could ogle the stage girls and see if I might pull one. There was only one of my backups from Sunday and she was looking less appealing. But I did notice a tall young hottie leaning against the back mirror in the second row trying to hide. She could sense me giving her attention and while she did not flirt with me, seemed to start making tiny eye contact with me. I got a good look at her backside in the mirror and holy shit she was nice. Just at this moment the waitress starts cashing in bills saying it was last call. (She told the gentleman next to me that he could stay on after midnight, but her story changed with me.) Fuck. I asked her if I could still invite a girl to my table and she said no we will close soon, come back tomorrow. Just as she spoke mamasan let the girls go 10 minutes early. They all cheered in delight and vanished in a flash. I paid for my beer and walked out. Just as I went through the front door my Sunday sweetie ran after me and caught me to say Hi. I just waved, smiled and said Hi back and walked on. (FYI, I saw her leaving WS hand in hand with a guy about 45 minutes later. She is a very effective pro.).

"Now where?" Ok back to Q Bar. My Monday honey was nowhere to be found, good. So I took a seat. At this point, I noticed that a lot of the guys who had been hogging the nicer girls elsewhere earlier in the evening were now at Q Bar. Why the f*ck hadn't they BFd them? It was slim pickings at Q Bar, but the real show was with the gentleman next to me with 5 topless girls ambushing him from all sides, including one straddling his face and bending toward me so our faces were within whispering distance. My standards were lowering at this point, and there was one beauty on stage in a blue lingerie top with just a little belly fat. Waitress confirmed that the girl could be BFd so she brought her down. The girl was reasonably affectionate as we drank our beers. But then she gave me the "our waitress is my cousin" BS (2nd time I heard that in 2 nights) and that she would not be able to leave with me until the bar closed at 3. "Bill please. " Paid my 500 and poof out the door.

Now back to Dollhouse. I had not been there since BFing my little treasure there last Friday. I had poked my head in before Q Bar and saw her at a table with guys and girls, but now she was invisible. Good. I headed upstairs but was struggling to find anything that would even get my little bro up. Finished 1 beer and paid up, but as I walked down the stairs, just in front was this luscious, tall, creamy skinned spotlight dancer. I got her attention and we went back to the balcony for a drink. She was brand new, 25, just her 2nd night. Mamasan came over and boasted that she was new too. She was very nice and quite hot, but when I asked if she could go with me, she also said she had to dance first and could go with me when the bar closed. "Bill please. " This girl was visibly shocked as I suddenly and politely said "nice to meet you and good luck with the new job" and walked off. Her face showed it all. It was like "you mean you are actually going to walk away from this luscious body?" Yep. See ya.

"Now what?" It was getting toward 1 am and I felt AC start to close in on me.

So gents, I admit that I had to eat my words about XS just 2 nights after downgrading it. I am doing an about face and elevating back up in my assessment. Why?

-Because back I went late on a Friday and it was teeming with chicks and only small numbers of customers. (The girl I BFd by 1:30 told me there were 100 girls there on mandatory Th-FR-Sat. Holy fuck.) The models all wearing their special Friday blue gowns like beauty pageant contestants. Holy fuck.

When I walked in, my Wednesday cutie was standing up front center stage, showing off that petite little bum and big smile. If she saw me, she pretended not to and I was clear to take a seat at the back of the main floor. There were just waves of girls on stage, more than had been on Wednesday. And when the models exited a new wave of 20 dancers, many BFable according to mamasan, came on in skimpy outfits. Then the wave of top dancers, all fucking hot as hell, came back on. It was just bombardment of the sex addicted senses. One tall model immediately caught my eye. She was not there on Wednesday (maybe already BFd). Standing at the far right, she was 5'6", 48 kgs, stunningly, and I am talkin fucking stunning, beautiful face, and a great full but fit figure with just a tiny inch of belly flab detectable through the partly see through lace. I tried to get mamasan but they all exited stage quickly. Fortunately, they came back on for the model track and I had mama laser this chick the moment she walked out. MCOT.

She was a little friendly when she joined me, but a little reserved too. She was not cold but only cozied up to me a little bit. Up close her face was just as stunning as from a distance. This chick was major model material except for that tiny belly flab. From Manila, which may explain a bit of her aloofness, she only half enthusiastically said she was available for BF at 5000. She wanted to leave by 6 and I got her to 7, though I would change my mind and do both sessions in one 150 minute go with a break in between, so she would leave my place just after 4. Over the next hour, my princess just dragged around, taking forever to change backstage, then forever in the XS toilet before we left, then arguing with mama about how long she needed to stay with me, then had to dick around with her best friend out front, then in getting to bed in my room.

Should mention also how irritating mamasan (unlike cool JM from Wed) and waitress were. Mamasan parked herself down right next to this Amazonian princess when we were talking. It was irritating as hell and I kept trying to shoo mama away but she took forever before fucking off. Like she was trying to stir me for a drink and tips. Then when I paid the separate BF and drink bills, both mama and waitress hovered over me trying to get themselves tips and drinks. Finally I just barked out at them "stop trying to get me to buy you drinks!" They half shockingly but immediately backed off and left me alone. Of course they are suddenly nice to you once you become an asshole. Good at least they properly fucked off.

Back to my room and this princess Amazon was far more work than anyone I encountered all week. She only half went for the romantic balcony thing, with a few little pecks. I had to convince her to shower with me and even though she let me scrub her down there was no touching of my organs. I could tell this was going to be challenging and kept telling myself to stay cool and just get what I needed and get her out. Back on the bed and I ended up doing all the work. She was not a dead fish. Rather, she was extra protective with layers and layers of pretention and fake control, as we all have encountered with the beauty princesses. She was going to make me earn any pleasure from the evening. With her everything was halfway. She barely allowed DFK, she allowed me my pleasure as long as it started with her pleasure, and only once did she take any initiative around 3 am, after I had loosened her gates somewhat.

I hate princesses. Even since before puberty I have gone out of my way to bomb their bloated sense of self importance, self absorption, and self worship. But I know that I have also missed out on dozens of opportunities with hotties over the years because I lacked the patience to deal with their princess games. So last night I took a different track, only because I had already paid the BF. Last night was one of the few times I let go of my pride and do what a lot of you successful dudes do (or used to do), which is hunker down and find a way inside.

And I am fucking glad I did because the sex turned out to be fucking incredible, even if it was not rock them sock them like I had with the other girls this week. At first this girl was semi-frigid, so I decided I would just placate her by slowly tenderizing her pussy with my tongue. After slowing licking her nipples I slid down and could sense her loosen up just a notch. She was not going to block my tongue access to her triangle, and I fixated on an extra long DATY session. It worked. She gradually started gyrating, humming, and oohing and ahhing little by little. I'm a pretty impetuous guy, so sometimes my going for premature pounding has cost me some of the extra payback from lost patience. Last night I did it the right way, and with every notch that she let herself go I got more and more excited. So I tried to draw everything out as long as possible. I think the DATY went on 20 minutes, and it was so fucking sweet. At that point I switch to sideways 69 and she took the bait in her mouth. Other than that, she never BBBJd the rest of the night. So I went back to further indulge her, slipping in my dick into her now wet pussy very slowly. She started letting her hands roam around me as I kept fucking her. You know the kind of princess passion. They do not get down and dirty so to speak but kind of restrain themselves and just let out little pockets of lust particles at a time.

Her restraint made me even hotter and I just kept fucking her slowly but more forcefully from different positions, her squeaks and moans getting louder and louder. Once I got into doggie position, however, I wrapped my arms around and went crazy. And she responded with now all out screams. Fuck yeah! She really liked it close, fast, and as deep as it could go. I think the first session took a whole hour before I blew it all over her ass.

I further ingratiated her princess complex by laying her on her belly and lightly stroking her full backside for about 15 minutes. I even got on my knees and stroked the bottoms of her feet with my nose and lips. She was quiet but not sleeping. Then she turned over and I did the same with her front side. After a few minutes, I took my left forearm and played a game where I touch both of her nipples at the same time with one forearm but just brushing them as lightly as possible so she can barely feel my arm. As I continued with this I noticed she was staring intently at her right nipple, observing the strokes of my forearm. I knew this was a good sign that she was getting off on this shit. So I kept brushing my left arm downward then brushed the tips of her pussy hair with my left fingers, slowly moving down to the clit and vag and just rubbing them as lightly as possible, barely touching. She got wet again and for the only time last night she took the initiative to grab my hardening woodsman. She squeezed it at the bottom to bring extra blood flow and got me hot again.

So I lathered up my left middle finger with saliva and slowly slithered it into her. It could immediately access her g spot, and I started slowly pulling the finger out, rubbing her clit, and slowly reinserting it to the g spot. I was stroking her forehead, hair, and ear with my right hand and kissing her left nipple and neck. She got humming again, so I started rapidly tapping the g spot and she was starting to let go. She never came, but I slid my cock back inside from side position and she just let me keep fucking her and fucking her and fucking her more. She alternated between face upward with eyes closed to leaning her head forward and watching my cock drill in and out. Despite her tall physique, she is small inside so I could go pretty deep, which she liked. Then she turned her back to me so I could drill in from behind and after a bit I put her on her stomach for some massive prone boneage. She especially reacted when I straightened my 2 legs, hoisted up my pelvis and just repeatedly crashed down on her ass with my full 200 pounds as my dick slammed inside. I just kept fucking and fucking and fucking. I could not cum a second time and had to give up after a while. But by 3:45 we were good buds, and she even let herself do some light DFK with me. Mission accomplished!

I think she actually wanted to stay longer by this time, but I wanted to get some rest before my last AC night. And there was no way I was going to be able to get any sleep with that tasty body next to me. She only let me take a couple photos before leaving, but you can get a glimpse of that outstanding face, tight ass, and just a little extra flesh at the belly and upper legs, the skin just melting like soft butter. Wow seeing that face when I turned the lights back on was just fucking heaven.

So there you have it. I went back on my word and am a big XS fan again. To its credit, both my XS girls this week said they like the big boss (American guy) there. That says a lot in this industry, so good on ya man.

Not sure where to hunt for my final night. It seems that I will have to double back to some previous spots and politely get past some honeys from earlier this week. But I can feel the addiction for 20+ year olds taking over.

[NapaSlapper]

Ill start off with Thursday night barhop with western ex pat friends plus a well known bar owner on his birthday.

Hit quite a few of the western owned / run bars of walking st, shooters bar, la bamba bar, geckos bar, paro paro bar and a few more, if you have been on one angeles barhop you have been on all, the bars were quiet one minute and resonably busy another, now we are talking fairly small bars in size so even a handful of punters in together makes it look fairly busy, most of these bars are geared to ex pats, most ex pats are sitting in the same bar on the same seat most of the time, recognise at least 99% of the punters in the western bars as all are regulars.

I'm not a great fan of the western owned bars due to the quality of the girls, but one thing they do have in their favour is willing girls, most are barfineable, most will let a punter have a fondle over a lady drink, normally tits but some friends do manage to insert a finger sometimes, most girls are older, think mid / late 30's,most are chubby and most are plain janes, but the angeles expats like these bars because of the hands on affect and after a few dozen beers the girls turn from frogs to princesses in the ex pats eyes.

Friday night had been totally different night, totally different bars and the ex pat friends had been replaced by korean business associates, hit avalon bar, club xs, Q bar and atlantis bar, did not see any expats in any of these bars, in fact in most I was the only westerner and although I am only very early 50's I was older than most of the asian customers by a fair way.

A much higher number of better looking girls in these bars, no not stunners by any stretch of the imagination but a large step up from the western owned bars of the previous nights barhop, because I was with a group of koreans we had no problems in getting girls to sit for a drinks even the better looking ones, come in with a group of westerners to these same bars and the girls that will sit for drinks falls to a trickle and then only with the not so popular girls.

In summing up, western bars are more hands on, definately can interview the girls better by having a feel, but quality is low and seldom do I even buy a lady drink in these bars due to girls not my type in looks, body or age, korean owned / managed bars not at all hands on, try to grab for their tits or pussy and that very expensive drink you just purchased for the girl is likely to end up in ones face or worse a visit from security, that's not to say that loads of fun can't be had with the girls, just in a different way.

Girl drinks are creeping up in price, some bars are charging 350 peso for ladys drinks now, many many drinks only girls and cherrie girls in most bars and of course these are the cuties, still what's left although mostly korean only girls if one is willing to lower his target girls then some are barfineable to westerners, koreans still out number the westerners by approx 10 to 1 and obviously of the girls that are barfineable the koreans have 1st choice, taking a look at couples leaving the bars heading to the hotel the younger ok girls are on the arms of koreans only.

[Volterra]

Final Night Flop with Cold Spinner.

The joke is on me gents. I finished up my 10 day AC visit with a belly flop. Got out to the bars by 8:30 but only 2 stops tonight. Brown Sugar finally showed a bit of life with a few decent girls, so I had a couple beers there. Specifically, there was this 20 year old gem named Ana who just showed up there from the provinces the past 2 weeks. (But I never saw her anytime I popped my head in.) She and another late 20's beauty were in yellow, and her body, face and personality were all captivating. I asked the waitress to call her to my table, but the waitress said "she is a virgin. " No problem, bring her down. We had a really nice conversation and she was warm and affectionate. Smelled and looked just delicious and I had thoughts of success in hand until I asked her about BFing. She said it was all up to mamasan and that she had no freedom during this preliminary period. I asked if she would be willing to give up her virginity of mama agreed and she said yes, she was looking forward to it, but it would be expensive.

I called mamasan over and she said 4000 for BF, but I asked about actually having sex. Mamasan asked Ana if she agreed and Ana said yes, then mama quoted me 200 k to devirginize her. "Bill please. " I said a polite goodbye to Ana and was off. Hate to miss that chance, but I was not really looking for a virgin. Mama offered to have me take one of the others but it was getting awkward and girls do not like to be 2nd fiddle. So I was off.

Then back to Atlantis. My Thursday sizzler was there looking hotter than ever and I wanted to see her dance. But I actually was hoping to BF someone else. I made eye contact with one of the sizzler's fellow spotlight dancers, who stood out for her petite frame and super tight belly (named Jemma). I also watched lots of other dancers, but I suspected that the sizzler had seen me. Not a big deal if it was not a big deal to her. Anyway, at one point I mistakenly thought the sizzler left with another customer. So I went upstairs to check on some of the other dancers, and I called Jemma to a back table, only to see the sizzler with another guy. So just as Jemma joined me, the sizzler walked past and said Hi. Jemma was kind of a buddy with her and noticed this. So this would affect the rest of the short night, as I would find out.

We all know business is business, but some of the girls want to have their cake and eat it too. In other words, for them, it is just business if they need to give attention to another customer, and if you visit the bar that night, you just have to let it go. But if you then go for another girl, they may well become possessive and try to claim you. Lots of dudes understand this, and so do I, but if you have little experience with it, it can get awkward. It was not fun tonight in this respect.

Jemma was friendly but not nearly as flirty as she had been when trying to get my attention from above stage. She was also older than I thought, at 31, and did not look quite as good up close (though still a very good tight body). I did not feel like dragging the night on, and Jemma was eager to go, but in retrospect, I see that her intention was to BF with me early and then try to sneak back for another late night customer.

So once we got back to my room it all went downhill. She was cold, complaining, and a bit full of shit through and through. The shower together was boring, and once in bed the first thing she demanded was the condom. I had one, so no worries. She also did not want to do much kissing and, irritatingly, she pretended to have lots of ticklish spots. But her nipples were fucking hot so that was a good place to start. And she perked up when I went down on her for some nice long DATY. Her BBBJ was quite good, but there just was no electricity. When she capped the dom and started riding me, her tight body looked fantastic and she did some good cowgirl skills, but I just was not feeling anything from her so was kind of half up, if you get my meaning. (It should have been explosive with that little body. But I admit I still felt a bit weird about back at the bar.).

Then on her back as I drilled her deep in multiple positions. She was tiny and easy to access that g spot, but she was only kind of half into it as well. In a nutshell, I could not blow my load, even when slamming that delicious little ass. So I kind of gave up. I tried to rekindle it but she again was irritating and overly sensitive. What was worse is that said gave me the "can I ask you a question" thing. She wanted to know if I had BFd her colleague the sizzler. I was irritated by the question but said yes, reminding her that I have to respect Jemma's professional life when she is with another guy too. She understood, but I could tell that it had been on her mind and clouded what might have been a hot sexual experience.

Then she asked if she could go. Fortunately, her BF was only 4000 compared to 5000 for I guess the younger ones. At this point, my only thought was to get rid of her and move on. So I made sure to get a few pics out of her and I got her out the door ASAP without tipping, wasting the 2nd shot without ever even getting the first one really. Before she left she showered, prettied herself up again and sprayed herself with perfume, so she obviously was going back for another. There were others at Atlantis that might have been much better, but more than anything, I got another taste of how go go politics might bring the sex life down on certain nights. So major thumbs down for petite Jemma, and a good solid downer of a final AC night after a great week of shagging. Have to redeem myself next time.

Back to reality tomorrow but taking many fond sex memories with me from this week. Still looking forward to my next PH trip and coming AC reports from other gentlemen soon. Cheers.

[DzikaBomba]

In 03/2023 Margarita Station will close permanently.

On of the few left western locations and an Institution and sign of the "old" AC will be gone.

And what will come next?

For sure some Korean Restaurant.

https://www.acmargarita.com/margarita-station-is-planning-to-close-permanently-in-march-2023/

[Goferring]

But then she gave me the "our waitress is my cousin" BS (2nd time I heard that in 2 nights) and that she would not be able to leave with me until the bar closed at 3...... When I asked if she could go with me, she also said she had to dance first and could go with me when the bar closed..Is staying until a set time just a BS excuse from the girls or an actual requirement from the bar?

I have known dancers etc that, in exchange for high salaries, were required to stay until, say, midnight by the bar. However, that was the exception. It seems to be a new norm in the hunt for more drinks sales.

Of course, replacing lost salary and drinks with 5000 p is the exact reason for a BF but that's another discussion.

[FuriousGeorge]

Final Night Flop with Cold Spinner.Was It Jemma or Jemma Lynn? I was with the latter from Atlantis (she always said the two names together). But my experience wasn't like yours, so I'm curious.

[Volterra]

Is staying until a set time just a BS excuse from the girls or an actual requirement from the bar?

I have known dancers etc that, in exchange for high salaries, were required to stay until, say, midnight by the bar. However, that was the exception. It seems to be a new norm in the hunt for more drinks sales.

Of course, replacing lost salary and drinks with 5000 p is the exact reason for a BF but that's another discussion.The new spotlight dancer at Dollhouse was required to stay by the bar, maybe because she was new. Not sure about the Q Bar girl. She and waitress said she could be BFd then the girl said she could not leave til 3. She seemed nervous with the "cousin" sitting right there. But then closing time would not be BF, so I am not sure if she was one of those you are talking about. But I recall a couple others during the week who said they were required to stay til close. Us poor punters.

[Volterra]

Was It Jemma or Jemma Lynn? I was with the latter from Atlantis (she always said the two names together). But my experience wasn't like yours, so I'm curious.This girl only said Jemma. She is the tiniest of the spotlight dancers, 4'11" and 40 kgs. And her teeth were protruding a bit forward. Also, her nipples were unusually large and firm like doorknobs. Not sure if that is the one.

FuriousGeorge and others, would be good to hear how you navigated among various girls you were with at the same bar. I remember reading half a year ago, I do not recall who posted, someone saying that 6 days in AC is enough, and now I kind of understand that. The last 2 nights changed things a lot for me once I had to start playing girl politics.

[Dg8787]

This girl only said Jemma. She is the tiniest of the spotlight dancers, 4'11" and 40 kgs. And her teeth were protruding a bit forward. Also, her nipples were unusually large and firm like doorknobs. Not sure if that is the one.

FuriousGeorge and others, would be good to hear how you navigated among various girls you were with at the same bar. I remember reading half a year ago, I do not recall who posted, someone saying that 6 days in AC is enough, and now I kind of understand that. The last 2 nights changed things a lot for me once I had to start playing girl politics.You tell them upfront you are a "butterfly". After she understands you then you can ask her for her friend or other referrals. If the girl says she is bothered or upset by it I tell her to Stop that crap.

BTW, when you vacation anywhere you usually get a fine meal the first night there and a fine meal during the last night. I always start and end with a high note in AC. I set up a previous performer to meet me the first night in AC. Then I repeat the best new performer for my last night in AC. If I am flying out of Manila then I stay the night before in Manila hotel. Thusly I will transport a good AC performer to Manila with me.

Never had a problem with one going to Manila with me. The last time the girl and her friend wanted to come. No problem with me!

[Dg8787]

The new spotlight dancer at Dollhouse was required to stay by the bar, maybe because she was new. Not sure about the Q Bar girl. She and waitress said she could be BFd then the girl said she could not leave til 3. She seemed nervous with the "cousin" sitting right there. But then closing time would not be BF, so I am not sure if she was one of those you are talking about. But I recall a couple others during the week who said they were required to stay til close. Us poor punters.I believe Qbar and Lollipop has a rule that after so many girls have been BF then the rest have to stay and dance so there are some girls there. Not sure where they draw the line.

One night I wanted to BF a new girl at Lollipop around 8 pm with very few dancers around. The mamason said none of the girls could BF as there weren't many girls there. After much discussion and I stated I only wanted her for 1 pop ST it was agreed the BF was ok as long as she was back by 10 pm.

[WestCoast1]

Is staying until a set time just a BS excuse from the girls or an actual requirement from the bar?Just guessing here. Its possible the pretty one was barfined earlier by a Korean or other who planned to come back and pick up the girl (s) later. She can't leave the bar until he returns. If he doesn't return by closing time, the mama will re-barfine her with you, earning two barfines in one evening. Any drinks she gets while waiting for the first chap to show up is added cash influx. Its been a few years, but I saw a lone Korean barfine 5 girls (1 each for him and his 4 buddies) at the bar opening, tell the mama the guys would return later to pick up the girls, then left. A mama I dated back then confirmed that it happens (early barfine and but not taking the girl until later) in the evening.


You tell them upfront you are a "butterfly". After she understands you then you can ask her for her friend or other referrals. If the girl says she is bothered or upset by it I tell her to Stop that crap.Volterra: I am with DG on this. Early on I experienced the occasional pinay jealousy thing in this or that bar. You can do one of several things:

1) Nervously dance around the issue (as you did), trying not to anger this or that girl.

2) Each time you take a girl from a new bar, stay out of that bar the rest of your trip, so you don't have the chance to make last night's girl jealous by having eyes for another girl in her bar.

3) Tell every girl on her first night with you that you are a butterfly, and make a point to ask her for another girl referral. It doesn't make any difference if she supplies one or not, it lets her know that you are a butterfly.

4) Purposely take another girl in the jealous girl's bar the first time she shows some jealousy / animosity. That lets every girl in the bar know that you think them interchangeable (they are), and that you as a customer are interchangeable to them (you are, if she has the opportunity). I know that sounds harsh, but its not. They are used to being interchanged regularly. You are just another. She is just another. That's the entire joy of many bars with many girls.

AC is a huge mystery of misconceptions to many gents. Doing #3 and / or #4 stops all that jealousy / animosity crap in its tracks.

Go team.

[NapaSlapper]

Is staying until a set time just a BS excuse from the girls or an actual requirement from the bar?

I have known dancers etc that, in exchange for high salaries, were required to stay until, say, midnight by the bar. However, that was the exception. It seems to be a new norm in the hunt for more drinks sales.

Of course, replacing lost salary and drinks with 5000 p is the exact reason for a BF but that's another discussion.Its impossible to know exactly what's happening in the bars as all bars have different rules that change with the wind.

What is for sure is that many girls are in dance groups that are paid the bigger peso to learn their routines and then perform said routines in the bar or many bars if the bars are owned by a group, these girls are seldom barfineable before their shift ends in the early hours.

As for the other girls, well the girls are fully in charge not the punter, some will and many won't barfine but most that are not in a dance group are free to choose when and with who, girl says no I not barfine, she is either a drinks only girl or has already been barfined and waiting for her customer to return, its not easy to know what the fuck is going on in many bars and with the girls.

As far as girls getting jeleous, what a load of garbage, she fucks several guys per day and she wants to play the jeleous card, bullshit, remind the girl she is the hired help for the night and one is free to fuck where they want, some need to grow some balls it seems.

[MrHappyKat]

I will be in PH for my 1st visit in March: Manila and AC for a total of 2 weeks. Reading the posts here has been very helpful in planning and helping me ensure I have a great experience, one (or occasionally two) pussies at a time. Among the posts, Volterra has been killing it with awesome, detailed and very enjoyable reviews. Kudos, Dude. Your experiences demonstrate the truth of the old joke:

Sex is like pizza: When it's good it's really great. And when it's bad. It's still pretty good!

So there's some chat about girls (or mamasans) not accepting a BF until their shift ends or the bar closes (like at 3:00 am). My question: If I have to wait for her end her shift, am I still expected to pay the bar the BF amount? Couldn't I just (clandestinely) get her whatsapp and offer her something less than the BF directly to meet me? I mean I'd rather pay her 3000-3500 and she can keep it all, then pay the bar 4000-5000 and she only gets a 50% cut of that.

I get that this needs to be on the DL, as she will get in trouble with bar if they find out. And I suppose the bar may be pissed at me as well for cutting them out of the deal as well.

I have seen past posts mentioning that once you BF a girl, you can swap contact info and invite her to see you again before / after work or on her day off. That makes sense and I expect I'll use it if I meet a girl I really like.

But what is the BF etiquette for end of shift payments?

[FuriousGeorge]

Regarding barfining multiple chicks from the same bar. Yes it can be a problem. If you show up to the bar the next day, the the girl may jump off the stage and sit by you and hug you and be excited for another round. Most of us are nice guys and don't want to be a dick and say get lost. If this happens, I recommend you be nice and finish your drink and head to another bar. The more time passes, the less she will be attached. Wait a few days. The next time you show up she might be with another dude and you say Hello, and nod and it's understood that it's all business. This is a big reason why I stayed away form the unpaid civilians. They often will get legitimately pissed when they see you with another girl and try to ruin your vacation. I only did multiple barfines from Lolipop and Q bar. These chicks are a bit more fun and understanding and often very busy, which helps. This is the only trip where I didn't run into any jealousy issues. A couple of chicks did message me 'hey you barfined my friend'. To which I replied 'Oh wow I didn't know that was your friend. '. The End.

Meeting a girl after work. Yes, this is common and pretty easy. The issue is waiting until 3 am for most bars. Gecko's is the best for this because they close at midnight. Exchange info at the bar and they may hit you up after. I roll with a 'business card' with my info that I tuck into their bra wrapped around a 100. Alternately, after a barfine, if I really like a girl, I exchange info after the deed and they usually will hit me up after work for a non-negotiated or much reduced price.

[Goferring]

.... A couple of chicks did message me 'hey you barfined my friend'. To which I replied 'Oh wow I didn't know that was your friend. '. The End.

Meeting a girl after work. Yes, this is common and pretty easy. The issue is waiting until 3 am for most bars....I'd agree that returning to a bar can be as big or little of a scene as the guy allows it to be. There may be some truth to jealousy, anger, affection etc but the most of it is to get the guy to buy more drinks or another barfine. If extreme emotions deliver this then that's what she will do. If the guy DGAF, then it serves no benefit to her and quickly passes. As usual, no need to be rude to her but equally don't fall for every outburst.

After work a girl will also likely be dog tired, hammered drunk and possibly been fucked several times. Agreeing to meet before work can be a much better time. Cheap Charlie's can just get her number in the bar but more reliable is to BF her once for a trial then swap numbers. Costs and reliability will be much better.

[JusRide]

Good thing I learned how to use the bus to get to AC, because I used to always use magaritta stations private car service.


In 03/2023 Margarita Station will close permanently.

On of the few left western locations and an Institution and sign of the "old" AC will be gone.

And what will come next?

For sure some Korean Restaurant.

https://www.acmargarita.com/margarita-station-is-planning-to-close-permanently-in-march-2023/

[JusRide]

Just BF a girl at DH a few wees ago I believe on a Wednesday and she mentioned that the next day they had dance performance so they had to stay until 9 pm after the performance even if they're BF.

Returned last week Wednesday, and BF her and her co-worker (roommate) for a great 3's. I made sure to avoid the dance route show night she mentioned.


Is staying until a set time just a BS excuse from the girls or an actual requirement from the bar?

I have known dancers etc that, in exchange for high salaries, were required to stay until, say, midnight by the bar. However, that was the exception. It seems to be a new norm in the hunt for more drinks sales.

Of course, replacing lost salary and drinks with 5000 p is the exact reason for a BF but that's another discussion.

[Volterra]

You gentlemen are badasses! Thanks to all for the very useful advice. You already got me realizing a shitload of things that I got wrong or could have gotten around. Gets me thinking for my next trip. I think the brutal honesty up front (or at least as she walks out the door after the 1st BF session) is the way to go.

Man, name cards with the 100 peso wrapping sounds effective. Going to see if I can get someone to design something origami style and get the 100 bills attached as part of the artistic effect (thrown in at a discount. LOL). Maybe something that tucks into the bra with a bit of french tickler effect. If I manage something, I'll get the patent and maybe share some royalties with you FG.

Damn, didn't even think to pay BF up front for later collection. (I recall at least one of you guys or someone writing about that before. Just that there is so much information to take in when researching all these ISG pages, cannot spit it all back up in my shrinking brain quick enough.) I just didn't want to wait around and get milked for more drinks, only to be told "I feel too tired" BS at 3 am. I will say that in these and a lot of situations, waitress or mamasan were intentionally keeping close watch and sitting annoyingly close without fucking off, as if they were keeping tabs on the girls. Maybe worried they were going to make a deal? I really could not tell whether and when my girl wanted them nearby or was nervous about it.

Speaking of DGAF, back to office hell today and thinking I will start practicing the DGAF philosophy with colleagues so I can exercise my stoic face more forcefully to the go go girls.

MrHappyKat looking forward to reading about the virgin adventure. Also anticipating the new adventures of Sir Lance at any moment. But as always, great to get the wisdom of experience from all (DG, WC, NS, FG, G, et al). Beginning to regain some pride as a dude!

[FuriousGeorge]

You gentlemen are badasses! Tried to send you a PM with a pic of my Jemma and me, but I don't think you have PM capabilities, and I don't think pics can be attached anyway. Anyway, if you do in the future, hit me up. I'm curious. .

Truthfully I'm glad you had a good time. I've never been to Thailand or really any other destination for sexual shenanigans, but I do love AC and my future vacations will be there, so I will always be an advocate for this dumpy little town in the middle of nowhere.

[Dg8787]

Good thing I learned how to use the bus to get to AC, because I used to always use magaritta stations private car service.Just a reminder. Margarita Station is closing but the car service will remain open for business as usual.

[AceKicker]

Hi guys,

I haven't been in The Philippines for a bit over 3 years now. I'm heading there next week and have been reading the forum to get myself updated of what's going on. I read about these "drinks only girls" which I believe have always excisted (maybe more now than before). But is it really so that the customer can't choose the drink he wants to give to the girl anymore? I've mostly spent my days there in Olongapo and atleast there the normal lady drink I used to give was SmL, sometimes Redhorse or by minumum SmAplle / Lemon. No way I feel happy paying 300 php for a glass of cranberryjuice which a) won't make her tipsy b) won't last more than a minute to finish. Thanks in advance.

[Dg8787]

Hi guys,

I haven't been in The Philippines for a bit over 3 years now. I'm heading there next week and have been reading the forum to get myself updated of what's going on. I read about these "drinks only girls" which I believe have always excisted (maybe more now than before). But is it really so that the customer can't choose the drink he wants to give to the girl anymore? I've mostly spent my days there in Olongapo and atleast there the normal lady drink I used to give was SmL, sometimes Redhorse or by minumum SmAplle / Lemon. No way I feel happy paying 300 php for a glass of cranberryjuice which a) won't make her tipsy b) won't last more than a minute to finish. Thanks in advance.Each bar and bg May have their own different policies. Always ask first. I let the girl order whatever she likes to drink. I don't understand the need to get the girl tipsy or drunk? You are paying for her time to sit there with you. The last thing I need is to BF a drunk that wants to party and talk all night. Worse yet, one that passes out on me!

[WestCoast1]

I read about these "drinks only girls" which I believe have always excisted (maybe more now than before). But is it really so that the customer can't choose the drink he wants to give to the girl anymore? I've mostly spent my days there in Olongapo and atleast there the normal lady drink I used to give was SmL, sometimes Redhorse or by minumum SmAplle / Lemon. No way I feel happy paying 300 php for a glass of cranberryjuice which a) won't make her tipsy b) won't last more than a minute to finish. Thanks in advance.As far as I know, the girl chooses the drink. You pay the same price for it regardless of what it is. She is limited by the bar in the types she can order. I haven't seen a girl ask for (or receive) a beer in years (AC or Burgos). Cranberry juice, shots of tequila, like that. Subsequent drinks after the first might be chosen by the mama (to keep the girl from getting drunk), alternating alcohol with juice. The mama doesn't necessarily need to be present, the waitresses know what is on / off the menu for the girl. I believe in the old days there were single and double-priced LD's? Gents?

NapaSlapper would have more info.

[Goferring]

The mama doesn't necessarily need to be present, the waitresses know what is on / off the menu for the girl. I believe in the old days there were single and double-priced LD's? Gents?

NapaSlapper would have more info.The girls' or mama's rules can be for very good reason. Some new girls cannot handle their alcohol at all, so wil stay away from shots. I've seen everything from girls who only drink juice, to girls that need a couple of heart starters to liven up / tolerate my presence, to alcoholics being sent to hospital to get her stomach pumped. The bars know the girl's limits and weaknesses so I'd be reluctant to insist in anything different.

The guy could choose between single / doubles but not what those drinks were composed of. Note that a Whiskey and Coke is a double LD. The mixer is a drink as well.

Like WC1, I'm assuming they are still around??

[AceKicker]

As far as I know, the girl chooses the drink. You pay the same price for it regardless of what it is. She is limited by the bar in the types she can order. I haven't seen a girl ask for (or receive) a beer in years (AC or Burgos). Cranberry juice, shots of tequila, like that. Subsequent drinks after the first might be chosen by the mama (to keep the girl from getting drunk), alternating alcohol with juice. The mama doesn't necessarily need to be present, the waitresses know what is on / off the menu for the girl. I believe in the old days there were single and double-priced LD's? Gents?

NapaSlapper would have more info.Yeah I can confirm not that long ago there was an option to buy either a single ladies drink (usually soda or juice) or double drink (usually a beer) and prices were usually 150 single /300 double. Only Dollhouse group didn't have this policy and all their ladies drinks had the same price 250 php.

I'm not trying to make the girls too much drunk I'm just saying a beer last longer = has more value when it comes to talking with the girl plus they usually tend to relax a bit.

[Goferring]

I've mostly spent my days there in Olongapo and atleast there the normal lady drink I used to give was SmL, sometimes Redhorse or by minumum SmAplle / Lemon. No way I feel happy paying 300 php for a glass of cranberryjuice which a) won't make her tipsy b) won't last more than a minute to finish. Thanks in advance.As is said below, it's not unheard of for that to be a bottle of water if the girl is a non drinker. It's no offence to the guy. She just want to be social and inclusive without getting wasted by 7:30 every night. A dirty little secret is that many of the foreign bar managers use the same tool to survive decades of supposedly drinking with every customer that comes through the door. Sure, some drink like fish but others prefer to have some form of liver left over.

I'd agree that girls making a supposed tequila disappear in seconds then requesting another is not good and my excuse to exit stage left. Unfortunately I've seen groups of girls arrive with trays of shots and minutes later '00's dollars of drinks are gone and so are the girls.

Enjoy your upcoming trip.

G.

[NapaSlapper]

As far as I know, the girl chooses the drink. You pay the same price for it regardless of what it is. She is limited by the bar in the types she can order. I haven't seen a girl ask for (or receive) a beer in years (AC or Burgos). Cranberry juice, shots of tequila, like that. Subsequent drinks after the first might be chosen by the mama (to keep the girl from getting drunk), alternating alcohol with juice. The mama doesn't necessarily need to be present, the waitresses know what is on / off the menu for the girl. I believe in the old days there were single and double-priced LD's? Gents?

NapaSlapper would have more info.You are absolutely correct westy, girls drinks come in a small tumbler glass and normally contain no alcohol or very little alcohol, the last thing the bar needs is drunk girls an hour after opening time who are either puking or wanting to lie down, not good for business.

As far as single lady drinks / doubke drinks I'm afraid that is the thing of the distant past, as far as I have seen most walking st bars have one price lady drinks which are normally 300-350 peso.

Not seen a girl with a bottle of beer as a lady drink in multiple years, gone are the days a girl would nurse her lady drink over 30 minutes or more, now it is cheers, knock back her juice and if the next drink is not bought within 5-10 minutes the girl will depart ones company.

[NapaSlapper]

While we are on the subject of lady drinks I think it is fair to say for the noobies that when one is in a walking st bar and sees a girl to his liking and wants to call her over to get to know her, well unfortunately chats are not free, by calling a girl over to sit with you you are in fact asking the girl to join you in a drink.

Obviously bars are designed to make the most money for the bar so soon as your girl is seated next to her punter a waitress will be over asking the girl what she wants to drink, refuse to buy a drink or say to the waitress I want to have a quick chat with the girl then that girl will immediately depart.

Wanting to talk to a girl even briefly will cost at least 1 lady drink, no way around it, many girls are in the business of hustling drinks, its how they survive, yes they will be nice, yes they will smile and tell one what one wants to hear, all the while those expensive lady drinks are racking up on ones bill and what's worse for many of the girls they have no intention of leaving their bar while giving the impression that they might be persuaded by a few more drinks.

Want to save money in the bars, buy the 1 lady drink, that will give one 10 odd minutes to ask the important questions about barfining, if the girl is not ready to leave after the 1 drink then she is not going to leave even with 10 lady drinks bought, sorry to be brutal but unfortunately in the new Angeles city the bar owners and girls look after themselves not the punters pockets.

[FuriousGeorge]

The reason we come here is because of the hot girls and the price. A lady drink is less than $6 usd. That gives you at least 20 minutes of grabbing some ass, waist, and possibly some tits, and very possibly getting your dick stroked. I literally had waitresses and other bargirls called over from my girl saying 'hey come check out and stroke this hard dick! Compare that to going to a strip club in LA. $20-$40 for a 3 minute lap dance wherein you may or may not touch a girl at all. Get over it and enjoy the luxury of the Philippines.

[AsianPursuits]

Not seen a girl with a bottle of beer as a lady drink in multiple years, gone are the days a girl would nurse her lady drink over 30 minutes or more, now it is cheers, knock back her juice and if the next drink is not bought within 5-10 minutes the girl will depart ones company.My experience is different. In December the girls in Angel Witch (old Voodoo location) were knocking back SML for lady drinks. I think also the girl I had at Viking was also on SML (as was I).

Yes there are bars with the weak drinks but not all.

[WestCoast1]

Is it time to start offering tips (or bigger tips than normally given) in advance in AC as incentive to get the girl to do the things you want? You want LT, offer her p1000 (or whatever) for staying until a certain time and give 2 pops. This is how the Burgos system works. You'd never negotiate a tip in Burgos, then give her that amount if she pulled a runner.

[Dg8787]

Is it time to start offering tips (or bigger tips than normally given) in advance in AC as incentive to get the girl to do the things you want? You want LT, offer her p1000 (or whatever) for staying until a certain time and give 2 pops. This is how the Burgos system works. You'd never negotiate a tip in Burgos, then give her that amount if she pulled a runner.Always advise of a possible tip up front. Most girls do not want to commit to LT up front if they don't know you. Most are neverous and skeptical about BF.

This gives me a thought of having some nice prizes displayed in the room. Like fancy perfume, deluxe shampoo and conditioner and other lady stuff. Possibly a new cell phone as top prize. Then you would hand out or put in raffle tickets for each girl. Number of tickets to the girl would depend on performance. At the end of your stay you would do a drawing!

I think I might try this raffle idea next time.

[Volterra]

Agreed with NS that it is now 300-350 pesos for LDs, regardless. Cheapest I paid last week was 320 and 350 is becoming common. My own Pilzen beers were generally 130-150, though a few places were cheaper.

I was surprised to see several girls I bought for drinking Red Horse. They said they liked it specifically because it was stronger than Pilzen, and they tended to be the drunk ones, a couple saying they had more 5 to 8 through the night. (They also tended to be the older ones.) And they downed those things mighty quickly. I do not know how they happen to stay so thin when they drink so many. Good genes, I guess. As you said, the other girls typically had "cocktails" with little to no potency. And I fully agree (after making a few errors as reported) that getting things nailed down over the 1st LD should be the goal. As far as I could tell, the ones who were ready to BF were ready from the moment they sat down. Those who were not going to BF were not prepared to budge even with multiple drinks.

WC raises another necessary question that I was asking myself on the plane back to hell. I hope it is not yet necessary to negotiate added incentives, except for the "maybe tip in the morning if you make me happy. " I tried to get clearer and clearer about expectations and boundaries (what time she would leave, how many shots, any taboo areas, kissing, etc) before leaving the bar with them, but hell, it really starts to ruin the atmosphere. And with a couple young ones who I failed with, I even thought they maybe changed their minds (after initially agreeing to BF) once I started laying down too many Terms of Agreement.

But I am not in favor of upping the ante with negotiated tips if it can be avoided. I am in favor of trying to keep things from getting further out of control. I am thinking of my miserable trip to Phnom Penh in Dec. What a freaking joke at all those hostess bars where girls have no intention of going home and mamasans are constantly playing off newbie customers with false promises in order to milk them for drinks. It was a complete waste of time and I ended up bolting off to Pattaya, which was itself problematic in the go go bars, for the same reason.

We are stuck in a spot between what FG correctly observes as a relative bargain (in that it is still, for the time being, and helluva lot better than Vegas, or USA massage parlors, or strip clubs) and the trend toward more expensive but less service (where it will stop, nobody knows). But the go go inflation seems to be outpacing PH / TH / Camb wage inflation by light years. Other guys have already written about the relative money trade offs when factoring in travel costs. Some guys have the wallets to hack it but others may not. Part of me is hoping (fantasizing) that a post-covid "market correction" may still take place in go go prices and practices. But is that freaking wishful thinking?

We got to do our best to. Keep that inflation down.

[Dg8787]

My experience is different. In December the girls in Angel Witch (old Voodoo location) were knocking back SML for lady drinks. I think also the girl I had at Viking was also on SML (as was I).

Yes there are bars with the weak drinks but not all.Same with me early January. Girls in Lollipop and Qbar drinking SML. Single drinks that I bought. I have never seen a small drink glass in the bars. Other than a real shot of booze. Which you can smell it is alcohol.

*other post. Keep inflation down! I have heard this nonsense for 10 years and on other forums. Guys should go work for Joe Biden’s war on inflation team.

[WestCoast1]

WC raises another necessary question that I was asking myself on the plane back to hell.Hahaha. I mean, ouch. Come back, Volterra, come back. Help me open a new vaxxing clinic.


once I started laying down too many Terms of Agreement.A decade ago, that's exactly what you could do. Run thru your list of needs, and if the girl wasn't willing to agree for any reason, she (or the mama) would help find a girl who would. Every girl, except those on Mens and Virgin girls, needed a barfine TONIGHT. Then the Koreans came to town.


But I am not in favor of upping the ante with negotiated tips if it can be avoided. I am in favor of trying to keep things from getting further out of control.

We are stuck in a spot between what FG correctly observes as a relative bargain SNIP Part of me is hoping (fantasizing) that a post-covid "market correction" may still take place in go go prices and practices. We got to do our best to. Keep that inflation down.




*other post. Keep inflation down! I have heard this nonsense for 10 years and on other forums. Guys should go work for Joe Bidens war on inflation team.Welcome to the Korean-ization of AC. They started by showing up with large cash in hand. They barfine the hotties in advance. They take the girls out drinking and dancing. They might not even f*ck the girl, and worse (or better, for the girl), they might not even take her back to his hotel. They then give generous tips, often more than she earned for her share of the barfine. Now: They own the bars. As NS points out, they make up an increasing percent of the punters.


But is that freaking wishful thinking?Guessing: Yes. Its been underway for years. You may need to offer something 'additional' to get what you want. We've talked about market forces here for years, and here they are. I don't like it anymore than you do.

[NapaSlapper]

My experience is different. In December the girls in Angel Witch (old Voodoo location) were knocking back SML for lady drinks. I think also the girl I had at Viking was also on SML (as was I).

Yes there are bars with the weak drinks but not all.I think if you read my report correctly I said drinks in walking st bars.

As you and I know angel witch bar is not located on walking st so yes I'm sure if one drinks in small off the beaten path bars I'm sure its possible to find bars that allow bottles for the girls, I'm sure if one looks hard enough one can find girls that out of desperation will sit with customers with no drink.

Any of the bigger well known bars of walking st that employ some ok looking girls are serving the girls short drinks with none or very little alcohol for the many reasons I stated in my last post, mostly profit and protecting the popular girls.

[NapaSlapper]

The reason we come here is because of the hot girls and the price. A lady drink is less than $6 usd. That gives you at least 20 minutes of grabbing some ass, waist, and possibly some tits, and very possibly getting your dick stroked. I literally had waitresses and other bargirls called over from my girl saying 'hey come check out and stroke this hard dick! Compare that to going to a strip club in LA. $20-$40 for a 3 minute lap dance wherein you may or may not touch a girl at all. Get over it and enjoy the luxury of the Philippines.What guys forget to mention when comparing the USA or Europe in price to the phills is the vast cost of getting to the phills.

Yes a girl drinks and a lap dance may be 20 usd in the USA or Europe but that same phills lady drink may be 40 usd each when including how much it cost for the punter in travel to buy that phills lady drink.

[NapaSlapper]

Have to fully agree with you once again westy (we will have to stop this LOL).

The angeles of the past is no where to bee see since the koreans came to town.

As I have previously reported in my trip reports, I party almost weekly with a couple of koreans, our bar bills for an hour in each bar is roughly 15-25,000 peso per bar, divided up into our drinks lady drinks, nibbles for us and the girls etc, lets not forget most Koreans even tip the girls extra cash direct in their hand just for their company on top of the other expenses.

Last barhop with Koreans one of our group on leaving threw 10,000 peso in small notes onto the bar, of course the girls went crazy, others did the same in other bars.

You are also correct in saying that Koreans party different to westerners, Koreans go out to the bars to enjoy the company of their friends and the company of the girls, the fight over who gained the most face by spending the most, all without mainly not wanting to fuck the girls.

Its not hard to understand why the Angeles girls go crazy at the sight of Koreans entering their bars, they know here comes the big easy money, sit down, smile, play happy and earn the same money as a top surgeon per hour for the girls, all without showing the colour of their panties, what's not to love for the girls.

[GreenBud]

My experience is different. In December the girls in Angel Witch (old Voodoo location) wereOf course your observations are correct.

He claims he lives there and goes there all the time, but he doesn't see the new sign (Angel Witch) at the old Voodoo location next to Kokomos?

That guy is probably a fake. He claimed in an obnoxious email (a few years ago) that his brother-in-law was the manager at Atlantis. I asked him. He said he doesn't have a brother-in-law. But his write-ups are more accurate than it was when he first began to post, but it still has flaws and exaggerations.

[GreenBud]

And with a couple young ones who I failed with, I even thought they maybe changed their minds (after initially agreeing to BF) once I started laying down too many Terms of Agreement.Probably. The ones in demand are not that desperate. I know from experience that many girls (who are in demand) will not agree to CIM. LOL!


But I am not in favor of upping the ante with negotiated tips if it can be avoided.I don't believe the girls will ask for tips. I never tried offering large tips for menu items that she doesn't normally do. Maybe I should try that.

On a side note, if you don't tip, the girls talk among themselves, and you will be labeled as cheap, and many girls will not want to barfine with you.


Part of me is hoping (fantasizing) that a post-covid "market correction" may still take place in go go prices and practices. But is that freaking wishful thinking?Yes. Inflation is also going up a lot in the Philippines. We just have to hope that the peso crashes against the US dollar!

[WestCoast1]

Too much talk about money. Throwback pic. Hot wench on a 3-some. She left several good selfies of herself on the cam. She had trouble not posing. We finished about 2. 5 hours into our time, with 90 minutes remaining, one of them had a cheap touchpad phone with camera, and they took a bunch of single pics and selfies together. Then they asked me to use her phone and take pics of the two of them together. The never met a camera (or mirror) they didn't like. After the clothed selfies I offered to walk them back to their bar, but they said it was too soon to go back, the mama might think I was angry with them. They wanted a drink at Tropix, so we went and watched the floor show for 45 minutes. You get a threesome and 2 pops, then you take 2 honies out for a drink and floor show. All in, including drinks, it was about 1/4 the price of a current barfine.

Part of the pinay intangibles. AC has changed.

[NapaSlapper]

Of course your observations are correct.

He claims he lives there and goes there all the time, but he doesn't see the new sign (Angel Witch) at the old Voodoo location next to Kokomos?

That guy is probably a fake. He claimed in an obnoxious email (a few years ago) that his brother-in-law was the manager at Atlantis. I asked him. He said he doesn't have a brother-in-law. But his write-ups are more accurate than it was when he first began to post, but it still has flaws and exaggerations.Thanks for your input.

Not sure what the hell you are on about messages years ago, maybe putting down the bottle will serve your memory better.

Rather than making baseless accusation on a faceless platform why not send me a pm and join us for a drink in angeles, I'm out both tonight and Saturday this week, that way you will know the truth, I won't hold my breath for your pm as your probably just another keyboard warrior that dreams of someday making it to angeles, lets see.

[Goferring]

I don't believe the girls will ask for tips. I never tried offering large tips for menu items that she doesn't normally do. Maybe I should try that.Normally I would much prefer a girl be doing her thing with gusto than a half arsed effort just to tick a box and get a tip.

Maybe that's why I normally 'go with the flow' rather than give a 16 page performance contract.

YMMV. G.

[AsianPursuits]

Probably. The ones in demand are not that desperate. I know from experience that many girls (who are in demand) will not agree to CIM. LOL!
What is interesting is that regular girls will do this happily and willingly. One little local girl I know from a BPO came to see me last visit. She asked for it as she liked the taste.

So these days it seems bargirls are using it because so many guys ask for it If we stop asking then they just do it.

[Volterra]

Same with me early January. Girls in Lollipop and Qbar drinking SML. Single drinks that I bought. I have never seen a small drink glass in the bars. Other than a real shot of booze. Which you can smell it is alcohol.

*other post. Keep inflation down! I have heard this nonsense for 10 years and on other forums. Guys should go work for Joe Bidens war on inflation team.It may be nonsense to dudes who have enough money that they don't need to think about it. No political commentary from me, this is real shit. I'm going to have to work an extra year in cubicle hades just to save enough pennies so I can tip girls in retirement. I forgot to inform my financial planner about my go go addiction!

[FuriousGeorge]

Right. Yes I could have quite the experience with some LA civvie hotties or some LA working Kgirls with the 6 k usd it cost me to get to and live in AC for a month. BUT. This is a vacation, which has high high value to me, worth the money I spent to travel and live there for a month.


What guys forget to mention when comparing the USA or Europe in price to the phills is the vast cost of getting to the phills.

Yes a girl drinks and a lap dance may be 20 usd in the USA or Europe but that same phills lady drink may be 40 usd each when including how much it cost for the punter in travel to buy that phills lady drink.

[Expat American]

I think the guys who come here with a checklist of sexual activities and terms and conditions and contracts for the girls are totally missing the point of AC (and the Phils). The PI doesn't have the best looking girls (thai girls and EU girls and Colombian and Brazillians are far hotter), nor are the necessarily the wildest sexually (again anal is standard in Brazil). The one thing PI offers is much more of a genuine GFE and guaranteed BBFS. Other than that there is no good reason to choose AC as a mongering destination. So, there are two ways to play. The Korean way, show up with a wad full of cash, pick a girl, take her home, get basic BBFS, let her go. Or play it the western way, where you go in a bar with the intention of just having a good time. Joke around, flirt, play around, buy drinks. Find a girl with who you click. She will likely NOT be the hottest one in the bar. Take her home. 8 out of 10 times you will get an amazing GFE with all sex variations without big discussion and contract. And she may or may not stay the night but you will not care at that point. At the end of the day, Filipinas are romantics at heart. Yes, even bar girls. If you manage to make them laugh, relax and have a good time, you will get what you want. Now having said that, you can take that same game to Cebu and fuck a bunch of civilians for free or low cost as well. But that's how it is.

[WestCoast1]

Normally I would much prefer a girl be doing her thing with gusto than a half arsed effort just to tick a box and get a tip.Apparently the AC girls are less likely to do that anymore. Sad face. They want enticement, or they want some K-attention, which is more lucrative and means less work for them.


Maybe that's why I normally 'go with the flow' rather than give a 16 page performance contract.Mine is about 5 items and can be told to the girl in 10 seconds. All of them are deal-breakers. If we barfine and get to the room and she insists on a condom, or no BJ, my time (and now, money) has been completely wasted, and nobody is getting naked. Pre-2015-ish in AC, it was easy to find for the price of a barfine. But now? One reason I stopped going to AC about that time was just this issue: If she doesn't get a financial boner for the price of a barfine by seeing me walk in the door, I am wasting my time. There are other venues to getting girls anywhere, and pay-after to insure good service. The upfront payment of AC only works in the long-run if mamas insist that girls do the deeds (ala pre-covid Burgos bars, where girls rarely ran and gave 2 pops in order to not get in trouble with the bar). This is what spoilage leads to. If Koreans make up the bulk of customers, and regularly don't bang the girls while advance barfining the girls, what incentive is there for the girl to go with you in the first place, or stay with you after a dinner out with you or the first pop? What incentive is there for the bar to help you if you complain? None. The mama ignoring you and me complaining about bad service means the girl can barfine 2 x in one night -- good for the girl, the mama, and the owner; but not you. Alternately if she gets barfined early in the evening and must await her Korean to return to pick her up, she can then play dick-ish games with you by telling you she is free later to barfine if you buy her drinks.

The system seems rigged. OTOH, FG and others have done rather well, so not all is lost.

[FuriousGeorge]

My only deal breaker is a condom. And yes that is why we come here. But the batting average is so high I have never asked in the bar. Mostly because I think many girls might think that's their rule, or ideally what they want, but back at the room in the moment their rules go out the window. So I hesitate to give them the opportunity to tell me that's their rule at the bar. Once I was about to barfine a girl (from Atlantis. I think management does more condom talk here) and she told me beforehand that it was a solid rule for her. I thanked her for letting me know so I could move on. Only once (pre-pan) was I back at the room and the girl absolutely insisted, no exceptions. I sent her home, ate the barfine, went to HiSo and picked up a civvie who met my needs.


Mine is about 5 items and can be told to the girl in 10 seconds. All of them are deal-breakers.

[Dg8787]

It may be nonsense to dudes who have enough money that they don't need to think about it. No political commentary from me, this is real shit. I'm going to have to work an extra year in cubicle hades just to save enough pennies so I can tip girls in retirement. I forgot to inform my financial planner about my go go addiction!Nonsense being that the idea we can all ban together and lower prices. Even the comparison to the inflation factor of goods is wrong.

We all have our financial capabilities and limitations. We all have our priorities and goals which may require increased income or lower expenses or both.

My mongering mo requires more money now to pursue. Yes, I spend more now. I have cut back or even eliminated expenses and had to increase my income to fulfill it. And I am having more fun and sex than any other time in my life!

[GreenBud]

Not sure what the hell you are on about messages years ago, maybe putting down the bottle will serve your memory better.I still have the PM. I can send it to you if you want.


Rather than making baseless accusation on a faceless platform why not send me a pm and join us for a drink in angeles, I'm out both tonight and Saturday this week, that way you will know the truth, I won't hold my breath for your pm as your probably just another keyboard warrior that dreams of someday making it to angeles, lets see.I just left Angeles.

I will return next November.

If you are real, I will apologize and buy you a beer.

[NapaSlapper]

I still have the PM. I can send it to you if you want.

I just left Angeles.

I will return next November.

If you are real, I will apologize and buy you a beer.Its funny how when guys get called out about being in angeles by requesting a friendly beer they all of a sudden happen to have just conveniently left angeles yesterday, amazing.

Anyways, some of us are actually in angeles and went out to the bars last night.

Not much new to report, the town is mainly young korean punters throwing money around like its going out of fashion, westerners are in very short supply, many western bars visited had no customers at all.

The drinks only girls are alive and well and earning the big money by hustling drinks only.

The cherry girls who are actually the cutest girls in the bar are also popular for lady drinks.

The fatties and uglies are still praying they can be called down by a nice korean for drinks but have to reside themselves that no drinks are forthcoming so might have to go through the torture of sucking grand daddys white cock again.

The lady drinks are definately all one price 300-350 pesos and again did not see any girls drinking from a bottle, mostly shot glasses.

[Volterra]

Nonsense being that the idea we can all ban together and lower prices. Even the comparison to the inflation factor of goods is wrong.

We all have our financial capabilities and limitations. We all have our priorities and goals which may require increased income or lower expenses or both.

My mongering mo requires more money now to pursue. Yes, I spend more now. I have cut back or even eliminated expenses and had to increase my income to fulfill it. And I am having more fun and sex than any other time in my life!Understood, DG, and at the end of the day I have to concur and admit it (banning together to lower prices) is wishful thinking on my part. I am one of the guys on the forum who is saying, "damn, I just missed out on the best of it".

At the same time, I intend to follow suit and spend more, as you have. It is now a major component of my retirement planning (privately, of course, I think it goes under "discretionary spending" or "travel and entertainment" in the financial planning software). So I am definitely going to endure that extra year of work so I can have that fun and great sex before my body gives out at some point. I got to admit, even with rising prices, my 2 AC trips this past year have been unforgettable, with girls who are younger and hotter than anything I've had in a long time. And some of the things they have done to me. Shit! Let's just say I have done more than a fair bit of daydreaming during afternoon work hours this past week. (Hope I don't inadvertently start blurting out "feel that deep cock" or some wild sex talk in front of my office mates.).

[Turgid]

I am cautious, I use a condom. Guys who go bareback post a lot about their exploits yet there is not one post of them getting drug-resistant gonorrhea. When that happens they become silent.

[Radical Guy]

I am cautious, I use a condom. Guys who go bareback post a lot about their exploits yet there is not one post of them getting drug-resistant gonorrhea. When that happens they become silent.Everyone here knows the risks of sex without a condom. Life is full risks. Obviously, there's a risk that your plane will crash on the way to the Philippines, for starters.

But for some of us, myself included, sex with a condom is about the same as no sex at all. Why bother? We might as well just wank off. So as for me, it's very much a risk versus return analysis. Of course, if you're happy with condomed sex, go for it. I wouldn't presume to pass judgment on your choices. I'll thank you for not passing judgment on mine!

RG.

[MoonShot]

Everyone here knows the risks of sex without a condom. Life is full risks. Obviously, there's a risk that your plane will crash on the way to the Philippines, for starters.

But for some of us, myself included, sex with a condom is about the same as no sex at all. Why bother? We might as well just wank off. So as for me, it's very much a risk versus return analysis. Of course, if you're happy with condomed sex, go for it. I wouldn't presume to pass judgment on your choices. I'll thank you for not passing judgment on mine!

RG.I always bareback when I am in the Philippines and I am aware of the risk. You roll the dice each time you bareback and eventually you will probably catch something. I have caught something twice over 25 years. Luckily they were curable STDs. If you bareback thinking that you're not going to catch anything, that is stupid. You will eventually catch something But that is part of the game.

But each year that I don't catch anything, I thank my lucky stars because that means that when a year having a great bareback sex without any consequences. Was it worth it? Apparently so since I keep it doing it. There's nothing like the feeling of sliding your cock into bareback pussy and coming inside. Then again there's nothing worse than the feeling of symptoms of an STD.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

I have a friend who was cautious about using a condom every time but he kept hearing my stories about barebacking girls and he could not resist. He just went to Angeles city 2 months ago and within a week of bare backing, he caught an STD. Sometimes you just get unlucky.

[NapaSlapper]

Everyone here knows the risks of sex without a condom. Life is full risks. Obviously, there's a risk that your plane will crash on the way to the Philippines, for starters.

But for some of us, myself included, sex with a condom is about the same as no sex at all. Why bother? We might as well just wank off. So as for me, it's very much a risk versus return analysis. Of course, if you're happy with condomed sex, go for it. I wouldn't presume to pass judgment on your choices. I'll thank you for not passing judgment on mine!

RG.While I agree all are free to make their own choices some choices are much more risky than others.

You mention air flights, the chance of dying in a plane is 1 in 11 million.

Sticking ones cock into a pussy riddled with an incurable std unprotected then I would guess at best 50/50 of catching or not, big difference.

Others say there is nothing worse than the symptoms of an std, try being told by ones doctor, sorry sir but I have to inform you that you have aids.

A well known angeles std doctor mr guzman once told me years ago that on average he told a couple of people per month the sorry to inform you story.

Of course no amount of scare stories will change the mind of the commited, all the more reason for me to wear my condom.

[WestCoast1]

But for some of us, myself included, sex with a condom is about the same as no sex at all. Why bother? We might as well just wank off.Wanking off is better than sex with a condom. I know all my fav things; nothing comes between us.

[JusRide]

I started taking a z-pak (1500-2000 MG) after my mongering trip is done. Never had any issues since nor passed anything on to my girl upon return. Knock on wood. As BBFS is always on the menu.


Everyone here knows the risks of sex without a condom. Life is full risks. Obviously, there's a risk that your plane will crash on the way to the Philippines, for starters.

But for some of us, myself included, sex with a condom is about the same as no sex at all. Why bother? We might as well just wank off. So as for me, it's very much a risk versus return analysis. Of course, if you're happy with condomed sex, go for it. I wouldn't presume to pass judgment on your choices. I'll thank you for not passing judgment on mine!

RG.

[Volterra]

Wanking off is better than sex with a condom. I know all my fav things; nothing comes between us.

Turgid I am cautious, I use a condom. Guys who go bareback post a lot about their exploits yet there is not one post of them getting drug-resistant gonorrhea. When that happens they become silent.
This is another one of these things that everyone has been dancing around in society since the early 80's. Anytime you dare speak about attaining a satisfying sexual experience, you run into 1 of 2 predictable responses:

1. The anti-male diatribe - "How dare you pursue sexual satisfaction?" And "If you play, you pay. " This one never loses sight of how badly the fem**ists have been trying to punish men for feeling sexual desire (even when most of them are also hypocritically sneaking out behind the bushes for their surreptitious fun); just that they've mastered the art of hiding their own deceipt and promiscuity (better than dudes can) have over the past few thousand years. (Sorry mom, nothing personal).

2. The anti-hygienic guilt trip - "Well, at least I hope you're using protection. ".

What WC, MS, and RG are getting at is that a lot of guys face a seriously bad set of choices and an inescapable reality: Some of us don't respond as well to condoms as others. Some lucky guys can experience great sex with every partner, with or without a condom. But many lose functionality when they strap on a confining rubber tube.

Seriously, which one of us would not want to practice safe sex if we could do so without any loss of pleasure or functionality?

But as the fellow gents suggest, for many of us it really becomes a question of sex or no sex. I am also one of the genotypes who is negatively affected physically and sensually when capping the dom:

- It interrupts the hot momentum going on (aka coitus interruptus) and can make me lose the mood.

- It looks ridiculous and feels / smells like a hospital room.

- It creates a kinesthetic barrier, affecting some guys worse than others. And for those worst affected, it actually becomes a source of frustration, creating a negative sexual experience.

- It can squeeze you and force you to feel shrunken.

- It is difficult to get one that fits well to the right balance. Not too tight but not falling off.

For years, I searched high and low for condoms that work for me, and I tried many different tricks to make myself believe that they could become part of the fun. BS. So far, the magnums are the only ones I can manage, but only with a hot girl and only when I am seriously fired up. Otherwise, after dozens and dozens of times where I used them and felt a let down afterwards, I came to the same drastic conclusion that some of the other dudes here mention: It is either enjoy natural sex and take the risk or keep safe and not enjoy it at all.

Turgid, if you are one of the lucky guys who is not ill affected by condoms, I seriously envy you. I remember reading a few years ago about the Gates foundation planning to fund research for "pleasurable condoms. " Seems to be an oxymoron to me, but I'll be waiting for that, nuclear fusion, and a way for ISG dudes to ban together to fight go go inflation (just joking DG.).

Those of us who go bareback know that it could come back to bite us in the ass. I suspect that as many of us get older, we start deciding that it is increasingly worth the trade-off, given the relative (un) likelihood of getting anything life threatening or debilitating. But for those who constantly turn back to the cliches to admonish guys for wanting to enjoy sex, tell me something new, like how to enjoy it with a rubber band strapped on you.

[Gilolo]

I always bareback when I am in the Philippines and I am aware of the risk. You roll the dice each time you bareback and eventually you will probably catch something. I have caught something twice over 25 years. Luckily they were curable STDs. If you bareback thinking that you're not going to catch anything, that is stupid. You will eventually catch something But that is part of the game.

But each year that I don't catch anything, I thank my lucky stars because that means that when a year having a great bareback sex without any consequences. Was it worth it? Apparently so since I keep it doing it. There's nothing like the feeling of sliding your cock into bareback pussy and coming inside. Then again there's nothing worse than the feeling of symptoms of an STD.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

I have a friend who was cautious about using a condom every time but he kept hearing my stories about barebacking girls and he could not resist. He just went to Angeles city 2 months ago and within a week of bare backing, he caught an STD. Sometimes you just get unlucky.I'm same as you! I always bareback all over the world! I can't get a hard-on with a condom. Thanks God I've never catch any STD. I do some control test regularly.

I just try to find some very good looking and sexy ladies who are in good health! Nowadays, I noticed that most of the men fuck without condoms, and girls too. I went Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Manila, PP, Medellin and in many countries in Europe and girls accept without hesitation to fuck bareback!

Some of these girls do it for free, some ask extra money. But most of them do it.

I'm going back soon in Thailand and Colombia, and I love find sexy ladies on internet, facebook, instagram.

[DragonRing]

In case you don't want to bring someone to your hotel, does AC have hourly hotel rooms or do bars have rooms upstairs? What about in Manila?

[MoonShot]

This is another one of these things that everyone has been dancing around in society since the early 80's. Anytime you dare speak about attaining a satisfying sexual experience, you run into 1 of 2 predictable responses:

1. The anti-male diatribe - "How dare you pursue sexual satisfaction?" And "If you play, you pay. " This one never loses sight of how badly the fem**ists have been trying to punish men for feeling sexual desire (even when most of them are also hypocritically sneaking out behind the bushes for their surreptitious fun); just that they've mastered the art of hiding their own deceipt and promiscuity (better than dudes can) have over the past few thousand years. (Sorry mom, nothing personal).

2. The anti-hygienic guilt trip - "Well, at least I hope you're using protection. ".

What WC, MS, and RG are getting at is that a lot of guys face a seriously bad set of choices and an inescapable reality: Some of us don't respond as well to condoms as others. Some lucky guys can experience great sex with every partner, with or without a condom. But many lose functionality when they strap on a confining rubber tube.

Seriously, which one of us would not want to practice safe sex if we could do so without any loss of pleasure or functionality?

But as the fellow gents suggest, for many of us it really becomes a question of sex or no sex. I am also one of the genotypes who is negatively affected physically and sensually when capping the dom:

- It interrupts the hot momentum going on (aka coitus interruptus) and can make me lose the mood.

- It looks ridiculous and feels / smells like a hospital room.

- It creates a kinesthetic barrier, affecting some guys worse than others. And for those worst affected, it actually becomes a source of frustration, creating a negative sexual experience.

- It can squeeze you and force you to feel shrunken.

- It is difficult to get one that fits well to the right balance. Not too tight but not falling off.

For years, I searched high and low for condoms that work for me, and I tried many different tricks to make myself believe that they could become part of the fun. BS. So far, the magnums are the only ones I can manage, but only with a hot girl and only when I am seriously fired up. Otherwise, after dozens and dozens of times where I used them and felt a let down afterwards, I came to the same drastic conclusion that some of the other dudes here mention: It is either enjoy natural sex and take the risk or keep safe and not enjoy it at all.

Turgid, if you are one of the lucky guys who is not ill affected by condoms, I seriously envy you. I remember reading a few years ago about the Gates foundation planning to fund research for "pleasurable condoms. " Seems to be an oxymoron to me, but I'll be waiting for that, nuclear fusion, and a way for ISG dudes to ban together to fight go go inflation (just joking DG.).

Those of us who go bareback know that it could come back to bite us in the ass. I suspect that as many of us get older, we start deciding that it is increasingly worth the trade-off, given the relative (un) likelihood of getting anything life threatening or debilitating. But for those who constantly turn back to the cliches to admonish guys for wanting to enjoy sex, tell me something new, like how to enjoy it with a rubber band strapped on you.I think this provides a better understanding at least with older guys who go bareback despite the risks. But if you are a younger guy and can have sex and come with a condom, the balancing is the risk and rewards is different. In that situation, due to the fact that you were younger, it might be in your best interest to wear a condom, otherwise you may have to live with herpes or HIV for the rest of your life.

For guys in their '60's and up, the rest of our sexual lives is much shorter because our ability to have sex starts to decline as we get older. As an older longer, when I wear a condom, sometimes I have erection issues especially when I switch positions and it is definitely much much harder for me to finish and in many cases I can't finish.

So it is not a case of sex with a condom or barebacking. It is a case of barebacking or no sex. When those are the two choices, the answer is obvious. But that is not the choices younger mongers have.

[AceKicker]

I'm same as you! I always bareback all over the world! I can't get a hard-on with a condom. Thanks God I've never catch any STD. I do some control test regularly.

I just try to find some very good looking and sexy ladies who are in good health! Nowadays, I noticed that most of the men fuck without condoms, and girls too. I went Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Manila, PP, Medellin and in many countries in Europe and girls accept without hesitation to fuck bareback!

Some of these girls do it for free, some ask extra money. But most of them do it.

I'm going back soon in Thailand and Colombia, and I love find sexy ladies on internet, facebook, instagram.I'm pretty much the same when it comes to using the rubber. Best success I've had with Pasante king size but still. Feels like f*ing a rubber duck.

Anyways my experiences from the world are bit different. In Europe Spain + Germany never had success wuthout using one. In Thailand maybe 1/10 let me go bareback where as in Angeles the ratio in my history has been around 5/10 and in Olongapo 7/10. I guess I've just picked the wrong girls in Ac? Plus they have never mentioned this issue before we've been in my room.

What comes to std's I've caught chlamydia few times and nowdays trying to minimize the risk by sticking with one girl if I find one that is my liking and a solid performer.

[AceKicker]

In case you don't want to bring someone to your hotel, does AC have hourly hotel rooms or do bars have rooms upstairs? What about in Manila?Yes atleast in Angeles there are plenty of hotels that let you rent a room just for few hours only. I've done it few times in perimeter road but can't remember name of any specific hotel (they have all been small ones).

[Threadbare]

I remember reading about "The Area" a few years back, where there are.

Filipino clubs and cheaper girls. Haven't seen anything about it recently.

Does anyone know where it is and if it's still operating? Thanks in advance.

[FuriousGeorge]

I too would rather have no sex than sex with a condom. I sure as hell wouldn't fly half way around the world. All these broad statements AHH YOULL GET A DISEASE! You have to really break down what you could get, and then what pharmaceutical precautions you could take, then you weigh the risk vs reward. First off all the bargirls are tested once a week. Nowadays you see the testing van parked on walking street in the morning with hundreds of girls lined up. So what can you really get? Chlamydia, gonorrhea, and to a lesser extent, syphilis. That's it. HPV, you already have it, and there's no test for it in men anyway. HSV, you probably have some antibodies from it. Condoms don't prevent against HPV or HSV because they can latch onto the parts the condom doesn't cover. I know they scared the hell out of us in the 90's, but you can't get HIV from sex with a woman. It goes from semen to blood or blood to blood. So she would literally have to bleed into an open sore on your dick. The only way you're getting that one is if you're taking it bare in the ass from the ladyboys (and if you are, hey good for you, no judgement). And guess what? Science has invented something that is 100% effective in keep you from getting HIV, it's called PreP and it's pretty affordable.

I take doxycycline daily while I'm there, to prevent against the main 3 possibilities listed above, and then also a z-pack (azithromycin) when I return. I also take daily Valtrex to avoid the herpes (HSV), which I somehow don't already have. I've never gotten anything. Weigh the risk vs reward, and then make your decision, but make an informed decision.

[Threadbare]

In case you don't want to bring someone to your hotel, does AC have hourly hotel rooms or do bars have rooms upstairs? What about in Manila?Some of the smaller bars have rooms you can use, but I've never tried the rooms. For example the bars at the end.

Of Raymond Street, also on My Mayon Ext near Boomerang Hotel for sure. As for short term rooms, either Devera or Euroasia used to offer this.

[Locamotive]

I too would rather have no sex than sex with a condom. I sure as hell wouldn't fly half way around the world. All these broad statements AHH YOULL GET A DISEASE! You have to really break down what you could get, and then what pharmaceutical precautions you could take, then you weigh the risk vs reward. First off all the bargirls are tested once a week. Nowadays you see the testing van parked on walking street in the morning with hundreds of girls lined up. So what can you really get? Chlamydia, gonorrhea, and to a lesser extent, syphilis. That's it. HPV, you already have it, and there's no test for it in men anyway. HSV, you probably have some antibodies from it. Condoms don't prevent against HPV or HSV because they can latch onto the parts the condom doesn't cover. I know they scared the hell out of us in the 90's, but you can't get HIV from sex with a woman. It goes from semen to blood or blood to blood. So she would literally have to bleed into an open sore on your dick. The only way you're getting that one is if you're taking it bare in the ass from the ladyboys (and if you are, hey good for you, no judgement). And guess what? Science has invented something that is 100% effective in keep you from getting HIV, it's called PreP and it's pretty affordable.

I take doxycycline daily while I'm there, to prevent against the main 3 possibilities listed above, and then also a z-pack (azithromycin) when I return. I also take daily Valtrex to avoid the herpes (HSV), which I somehow don't already have. I've never gotten anything. Weigh the risk vs reward, and then make your decision, but make an informed decision.Totally agree which it seems most here do. For me somewhere between 45 or 50 I just could not stay hard anymore wearing that thing. Also I don't care how thin they claim to be they kill part of the sensation which is probably related to the boner issue. Truth be told women do not really like them either. I can't even remember the last time a girl insisted I wear one Most girls somewhere during the act examine my dick and balls like a art exhibit. These girls are not stupid. STD's yep it possible, but I too will just stay home and jerk off, cheaper and allot less trouble.

[AsianPursuits]

I remember reading about "The Area" a few years back, where there are.

Filipino clubs and cheaper girls. Haven't seen anything about it recently.

Does anyone know where it is and if it's still operating? Thanks in advance.Hourly rooms available.

Look for Hill -Top.

Or Hotel Inn Crown.

Or thousands of others.

[NapaSlapper]

I too would rather have no sex than sex with a condom. I sure as hell wouldn't fly half way around the world. All these broad statements AHH YOULL GET A DISEASE! You have to really break down what you could get, and then what pharmaceutical precautions you could take, then you weigh the risk vs reward. First off all the bargirls are tested once a week. Nowadays you see the testing van parked on walking street in the morning with hundreds of girls lined up. So what can you really get? Chlamydia, gonorrhea, and to a lesser extent, syphilis. That's it. HPV, you already have it, and there's no test for it in men anyway. HSV, you probably have some antibodies from it. Condoms don't prevent against HPV or HSV because they can latch onto the parts the condom doesn't cover. I know they scared the hell out of us in the 90's, but you can't get HIV from sex with a woman. It goes from semen to blood or blood to blood. So she would literally have to bleed into an open sore on your dick. The only way you're getting that one is if you're taking it bare in the ass from the ladyboys (and if you are, hey good for you, no judgement). And guess what? Science has invented something that is 100% effective in keep you from getting HIV, it's called PreP and it's pretty affordable.

I take doxycycline daily while I'm there, to prevent against the main 3 possibilities listed above, and then also a z-pack (azithromycin) when I return. I also take daily Valtrex to avoid the herpes (HSV), which I somehow don't already have. I've never gotten anything. Weigh the risk vs reward, and then make your decision, but make an informed decision.Please stop posting what you have convinced yourself is correct information in your own head and do some research before posting wrong information.

Lets start with girls getting tested, those vans and the hygiene room do not draw any blood from the girls so its impossible without a blood test to test for the most serious incurable illnesses.

Secondly, claiming that sex with women who have aids is safe and one cannot be infected is also absolutely false information, thousands of straight couples have infected each other during normal sex.

All the correct information is available with a quick google search but of course correct information is not sought by those in denial.

[Redman25]

Where is the best place for girls in the philippines? Or best two places? Looking for somewhere woman are very easy to find. Bars clubs and restaurants are a plus. Already have my flight just need a area with WOMEN LOL.

[Parasitius]

I started taking a z-pak (1500-2000 MG) after my mongering trip is done. Never had any issues since nor passed anything on to my girl upon return. Knock on wood. As BBFS is always on the menu.Speaking frow experience, please don't do this, it's a stupid idea.

I caught something early last year, same symptoms as always. Couldn't book the doctor appointment I wanted so I reused her script from 2019 including Azith and one other. This caused the symptoms to be hidden for 6 weeks, I spread it to 4 more girls because I thought I cured it. 2019 drugs DO NOT KILL 2023 STRAINS anymore at all.

[Dg8787]

Where is the best place for girls in the philippines? Or best two places? Looking for somewhere woman are very easy to find. Bars clubs and restaurants are a plus. Already have my flight just need an area with WOMEN LOL.BTW, thanks for your previous trip reports.

There is a whole field of girls but you will have to do a lot of walking. Review previous reports here.

[WestCoast1]

Where is the best place for girls in the philippines? Or best two places? Looking for somewhere woman are very easy to find. Bars clubs and restaurants are a plus. Already have my flight just need a area with WOMEN LOL.RM: Tried to PM you some info. PM me when you get that. And file some descriptive Trip Reports. So far, mostly just questions from you. Give something back to the Board members.

You purchased an airline ticket without knowing where to look for girls?


It's looking like Hotel Joco is the move. I noticed on the site they have a section for a promo code. Anyone have one?


I'm sure it's been answered before, but there are so many post in this group. Looking for a nice hotel near all the action guess Crowley of course can someone please make recommendations thank you.


Do the nightclubs require you to have long pants? Is there any kind of dress code or can you wear shorts pretty much anywhere?


I will be making my 1st visit to Rio next week. I'the like to cut straight to the chase. Where do I go to pick up girls? Nightclubs or off the streets? I've been to many other countries so I know how to handle the game just need to know where to go. Thank you.


So I've never been before and was planning on traveling to Thailand mid July. I just learned about the rain season and I am now concerned. Is mid-July a bad time to come? If I came mid July would it rain all day every day?


I see the curfew has been extended to the 30th. What affect is this having on the nightlife? Are after hour spots a thing? More partying at the hotels? Or are guys keeping chicks over night to makeup for not being able to party late?

[FuriousGeorge]

I was speaking in general risk vs reward terms. Is it possible to get HIV from your wife? Yeah theoretically, and I listed one way. Does Magic Johnson's wife have HIV? No. And there are pharmaceutical reasons why. Which I also commented on. If you're worried about the blood-test-required disease, take PrEP, as I said in my post. It is about as close to 100% effective as life gets. Yes lots of things are possible. Google searches that begin with 'Is it possible' Will pretty much always result in a 'yes'. The point of my post was evaluating risk vs reward.


Please stop posting what you have convinced yourself is correct information in your own head and do some research before posting wrong information.

Lets start with girls getting tested, those vans and the hygiene room do not draw any blood from the girls so its impossible without a blood test to test for the most serious incurable illnesses.

Secondly, claiming that sex with women who have aids is safe and one cannot be infected is also absolutely false information, thousands of straight couples have infected each other during normal sex.

All the correct information is available with a quick google search but of course correct information is not sought by those in denial.

[FuriousGeorge]

It is unlikely you caught a strain that couldn't be knocked out by common antibiotics. It's more likely that you had gonorrhea and it got out of hand, and the bacterial load was high enough that the dose of Azith wasn't enough to get it all. Nowadays if you come in to the doc with it they will give you pills and also a shot in the ass.

Anyway this topic is an annoying bummer, I've said my peace.


Speaking frow experience, please don't do this, it's a stupid idea.

I caught something early last year, same symptoms as always. Couldn't book the doctor appointment I wanted so I reused her script from 2019 including Azith and one other. This caused the symptoms to be hidden for 6 weeks, I spread it to 4 more girls because I thought I cured it. 2019 drugs DO NOT KILL 2023 STRAINS anymore at all.

[NapaSlapper]

I was speaking in general risk vs reward terms. Is it possible to get HIV from your wife? Yeah theoretically, and I listed one way. Does Magic Johnson's wife have HIV? No. And there are pharmaceutical reasons why. Which I also commented on. If you're worried about the blood-test-required disease, take PrEP, as I said in my post. It is about as close to 100% effective as life gets. Yes lots of things are possible. Google searches that begin with 'Is it possible' Will pretty much always result in a 'yes'. The point of my post was evaluating risk vs reward.Yes and my reply is about arming ones self with the correct information not the I'm sure it will be alright kind of information.

Lets look at some of that information, due to guys abusing the use of general antibiotics to feed their pleasures std like gonorea have mostly turned into untreatable with antibiotics, one other drug remains but is mostly inafective which means one has it for life or until new drugs are found.

You mention PrEP medication which can be used with hiv infected partners but again not 100% some studies have it down to 78% safe, again these type of drugs are not widely available due to vast cost, lets look at that cost, roughly 1 years supply is 21,000 usd not including doctors fees, monthly hiv tests etc and then we have the side affects of which there are many including liver disease.

Easy for one to stick their heads in the sand and cry out everything will be ok, ill just take handfuls of pills on my return, but science tells us that it probably won't be ok and self medication is making many std more resistant to treatment.

[JusRide]

Been doing this for about 4-5 years now. So don't know what to tell you. It's what the doctor typically gives you, so I do it as a proactive measure just to be safe.


Speaking frow experience, please don't do this, it's a stupid idea.

I caught something early last year, same symptoms as always. Couldn't book the doctor appointment I wanted so I reused her script from 2019 including Azith and one other. This caused the symptoms to be hidden for 6 weeks, I spread it to 4 more girls because I thought I cured it. 2019 drugs DO NOT KILL 2023 STRAINS anymore at all.

[Turgid]

Speaking frow experience, please don't do this, it's a stupid idea.

I caught something early last year, same symptoms as always. Couldn't book the doctor appointment I wanted so I reused her script from 2019 including Azith and one other. This caused the symptoms to be hidden for 6 weeks, I spread it to 4 more girls because I thought I cured it. 2019 drugs DO NOT KILL 2023 STRAINS anymore at all.Dang, dang and more dang. I hate this world!

[HardDrive]

Yes and my reply is about arming ones self with the correct information not the I'm sure it will be alright kind of information.

Lets look at some of that information, due to guys abusing the use of general antibiotics to feed their pleasures std like gonorea have mostly turned into untreatable with antibiotics, one other drug remains but is mostly inafective which means one has it for life or until new drugs are found.

You mention PrEP medication which can be used with hiv infected partners but again not 100% some studies have it down to 78% safe, again these type of drugs are not widely available due to vast cost, lets look at that cost, roughly 1 years supply is 21,000 usd not including doctors fees, monthly hiv tests etc and then we have the side affects of which there are many including liver disease.

Easy for one to stick their heads in the sand and cry out everything will be ok, ill just take handfuls of pills on my return, but science tells us that it probably won't be ok and self medication is making many std more resistant to treatment.90 day supply of Prep including all of the tests ran around $250 at the Pulse Clinic in Pattaya. Test and two hours later you have your pills. You could probably get it for half that if you went through one of the local hospitals but would probably take a little longer. For me a 90 day supply is fine as I use the "Prep on Demand" protocol just for the duration of my overseas trips. That said, I still use protection 95% of the time but the added protection when you aren't thinking clearly is worth it.

[NapaSlapper]

90 day supply of Prep including all of the tests ran around $250 at the Pulse Clinic in Pattaya. Test and two hours later you have your pills. You could probably get it for half that if you went through one of the local hospitals but would probably take a little longer. For me a 90 day supply is fine as I use the "Prep on Demand" protocol just for the duration of my overseas trips. That said, I still use protection 95% of the time but the added protection when you aren't thinking clearly is worth it.https://www.talktomira.com/post/how-much-is-prep-how-to-get-it-for-free-truvana-descovy

Above is the link to the current costs of PrEP, just under 1,700 usd per month for the original stuff.

Maybe for 250 usd for 3 months supply in pattaya they gave you a box of aspirin and told you it was original PrEP.

Never trust a thai when it comes to profit comes to mind.

[Parasitius]

Been doing this for about 4-5 years now. So don't know what to tell you. It's what the doctor typically gives you, so I do it as a proactive measure just to be safe.If a doctor told you to do this in 2022 or 2023 you should seriously reconsider visiting someone who is not keeping up-to-date on his medical education.

I'm not asking anyone to believe me, I found all of this information on US government websites. They explained that gonorrhea in the wild is mostly totally immune to Azithromycin now. They changed the advised treatment regiment for all doctors to use a few years ago.

OK anyway not to argue. Just hoping to help people that's it.

[FuriousGeorge]

PrEP at Alldaychemist is $55 for a month's supply.

From the CDC's website:

How effective is PrEP?

PrEP is highly effective for preventing HIV.

PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV from sex by about 99% when taken as prescribed.

How long does PrEP take to work?

For receptive anal sex (bottoming), PrEP pills reach maximum protection from HIV at about 7 days of daily use.

No data are available for PrEP pill effectiveness for insertive anal sex (topping) or insertive vaginal sex.

HMM. Why no data on that last point. Why oh why could that be? Oh, maybe because that's not how you get it and therefore no control group could be found to give enough data to form a valid study.

The girls are tested to get the stuff detected in urine, the doxycycline catches any bacteria in it's early stages. My doctor has prescribed it for a month at a time on occasion for non sexual stuff. Yeah late stage gonorrhea, that's a high bacterial load and you're going to need some pills an a shot for sure. Risk / reward. Don't go, the plane might crash on the way anyway.

[DragonRing]

Yes atleast in Angeles there are plenty of hotels that let you rent a room just for few hours only. I've done it few times in perimeter road but can't remember name of any specific hotel (they have all been small ones).Thank you!

[QuackUp]

I can't remember the names of all the bars I went to but I'll start off with the perimeter bars. Since it was a cloudy day I decided to walk there. First bar I think was called Rio. Actually there were like three small bar next to each other. The girls outside these bars were just okay looking so didn't stop in any of them. Around the corner stopped into Candy bar. Again, nothing great nothing bad. Finished my drink and went next door to xxx bar. I did buy a drink for a girl. After a while I asked about the barfine. The mamasan came over and said the barfine would be P $3,500. I was not expecting that high a price for a perimeter bar. I was thinking like P $2,000-P $2,500. This barfine was just as much as some walking street bars so I passed. Walking back to the hotel I did stop into Brown Sugar and Soya (sp). Again, average looking girls. Ended up back at my hotel to rest up for walking street.

Started off at Lollypops. I liked this bar. Most of the girls were in bikinis. I saw my mark for the day. She was cute and signing some kind of paperwork with the mamasan. She then went to I believe the dressing room. I was going to snatch her up when she came out but to my amazement she never came out. I waited about half an hour and never saw her again. Not sure if there's another exit or is she was already barfined and was hiding out. After a while I walked out. Next was a place called 123 I believe. Again I missed out because of my indecision. As I entered I needed to piss, so I sat down, ordered my drink and headed to the bathroom. I see a hot girl on the way to the bathroom so figured I would call her down after my bathroom break. Sure enough, there were four Japanese guys sitting near me and a fifth pulling girls down for his four friends. One of the girls is the one I wanted. Sometimes these guys just want to drink and have the girls as company in the bar. Well, as soon as the hot girl came down to talk with the guys, she turned around and started to change in the corner. Yep, one of the guys barfined her.

Next up, Bacarra. Since I go to the one in Bangkok I thought this might be a good club. This place was very weird for me. I walk in and there are no customers inside. There are two floors of dancers. I get a seat right in the middle and order my drink. A couple of minute in, an Asian guy comes in and sits next to me. The whole place is empty and he sits right next to me. Yes, I'm feeling uncomfortable. After a while another guys come in and hands the guys next to me a mic. Okay, at least now I know he works or is a manager here. Still very weird. A couple of guys walked in and that was my cue to walk out. I don't think I'll be back to club.

[DragonRing]

Some of the smaller bars have rooms you can use, but I've never tried the rooms. For example the bars at the end.

Of Raymond Street, also on My Mayon Ext near Boomerang Hotel for sure. As for short term rooms, either Devera or Euroasia used to offer this.Thank you. Nothing worse than walking around in the rain with no idea where to go.

[QuackUp]

I didn't keep track of which bar had the best prices but my drinks were from P $60 to P $120. Barfines were from P $3,000 to P $5,000.

Avalon I just miss seeing the girls in the black bikinis as the girls in the white came on to do their thing. Better than average lineup but as I walked in there was an outstanding girl in black headed to the dressing room. I was hoping she would come back out before their next set, bet didn't see her again.

I went to two more bars but can't remember the names. Both bars had at least one doable girl. Ended the night at Vikings. Got a drink and the lineup was average to a little above average. I almost left before I saw a girl in the back of the lineup of girls in front. At first couldn't get a good look but one of the other girls on stage saw me trying to see her. So the other girls grabs the other girl in the back and brings her up front where I could see her better. A very cute tiny girl. I nodded to the other girl and told my waitress to bring the cute girl to my table. The waitress said, your lucky day, first day for this girl. I heard that line before but after talking with the girl, I believe it was true.

I believe her name was Unice but with their accent, hard to tell. About 4'11" 90 lbs if that and very cute. At first she didn't talk much and said she was shy being her first day. She wasn't handsy at the table and looked just so innocent. After a while I asked the waitress how much was the barfine. I guess she thought I wanted to barfine the girl because she asked the girl if she wanted to barfine with me. The girl looked very nervous and didn't know how to answer. So to ease the tension, I told the waitress to tell the girl, I want her to feel comfortable and if she didn't want to barfine, that would be okay. She told the waitress she wasn't sure since it was her first time with a customer. Then mamasan came over and sized up the situation. Basically she told the girl to barfine. I thought the girl was going to cry so I came up with a solution. I told the waitress to tell her that there would be no barfine tonight but tomorrow if she is willing, I would barfine her tomorrow and take her to dinner. After dinner if she felt comfortable with me, she could either come back to the hotel with me or I could walk her back to the bar. After a while the girl told the waitress that she liked the idea and yes, she would go to dinner with me tomorrow. She said she would be at the bar at 18:00 and I told her I will be there at that time.

Next day, woke up and watched an nba game, went to the pool for little bit then walked over to the mall. Had lunch at the mall and saw a Cinnabon store there. I bought a 4 pack and this would be a gift to the girl if she came back to the hotel. If she didn't, at least I would have a sweet treat for later on.

Left the hotel at 17:50 and five minutes later I was at the bar. The waitress from the night before saw me and takes me to a seat. I asked if the girl was here and she said yes and that she was getting ready. About ten minutes later she comes out looking dolled up. I get her a drink and I notice she keeps grabbing a napkin and wiping her mouth. I asked her why she was doing that and she said that the guy that did her makeup put too much lipstick on and she was trying to wipe it off. She said she like the natural look better. I said so do I and why did you go to the makeup guy. She said she wanted to look good for when we went out. Nice. I told her next time don't worry because I like the natural look also. After a while the mamasan comes by and asked me what hotel I was staying at. I told her and she took the girl outside to kind of give her directions back to the bar from the hotel. When they came back inside I told the mamasan don't worry I'll walk the girl back to the hotel to make sure she is safe and not get lost. I also took it that this will be short time since the mamasan was worried about her getting back to the bar. The barfine was P $4,000, I did buy a drink for the waitress who did the interpretation for us. She never asked for a drink and for some reason I tend to buy drinks for the people that don't ask and usually don't for those that do.

[QuackUp]

I know it's a gamble to take an inexperienced girl for a barfine but I like to gamble and even if she wasn't very hands on in the bar, she was still fun to be with. We left the bar and we went to a Chinese restaurant called Fortune which was about two blocks from w / s. This is a place I wanted to try but this is the kind of place you want more people in your party so you could try different dishes. We ended up with four dishes and had plenty of leftovers. The food was good and even though there was the language barrier, we were still able to laugh and have a good time with a lot of body language. Yes I had my phone for google translate but it was fun doing it the old fashion way. After dinner she said she wanted to drop off the food back at the bar. Then I asked if she wanted to stay at the bar and she said no, I want to go with you. On the way back we took the street next to the restaurant back. She wanted to go that way. This street had little pockets of street hookers. I'm sure they were cheap since they weren't looking that good. When we reached the end of the street we made a right turn and you could see walking street which was about two blocks away. We dropped off the food and headed to the hotel. No need to register the girl. Straight to the elevator and into the room. I could tell she would be inexperienced but sometimes it's a good change of pace especially with a harden pro. She would kiss but no DFK. No BJ of any kind but did the deed bb. We had two sessions and I took her back to the bar around 01:00. I know it may sound crazy to you guys but I asked her if she wanted to go to dinner again tomorrow, my last night in a / see. She said yes, gave her a hug in front of the bar and bid her a good night.

Next day got there at the same time. The normal waitress comes around and asked how it was. I said great and that I was going to barfine the girl again. The waitress said she asked because she thought something went wrong because the girl came back to the bar. I told the waitress I brought her back to the bar because I thought that's what the mamasan wanted, but the waitress said no, the girls could have stayed all night. My bad. The waitress goes to the back and said the girl is getting ready. Few minutes later she comes out. No makeup this time and she looks great. Anyways the waitress tells the girl why I brought her back to the bar. Then the girl tell the waitress to tell me she is staying until the morning this time. She knew I was leaving for mnl so she asked what time. I told around 10:00 and she said she will stay until 08:00 -09:00 so I could pack and get ready.

I asked the girl if she wanted to go to the mall to find a restaurant or just go to the hotel restaurant. She quickly answered the hotel. I had the ribeye which was just okay. She had the chop suey and rice. Much better than my meal. She had a taste of my steak. Her look was priceless. The steak was very chewy so wasn't that good. I told her to spit it out but she was a trooper and finish it.

Back in the room, she was a little different, in a good way. I think she sense I like DFK so this time in bed when I went to kiss her she actually kissed back with passion and tongue in my throat. She was so much more passionate I was awestruck. Still no BJ but I think with time she would come around to it. That night I surprised myself because I was able to shoot off three times. The best one was the morning wake up session. I felt her massaging my chest, woke up said good morning and she was on top of me. Here is why this session was the best and most of you guys will think I'm lame. She's on top pounding away when I rolled her over while staying inside of her. That's the first time I was able to do that without slipping out. Her small frame helped because when I tried this before, usually with Brazilian girls, I always slip out. I'm sure it has something to do with leverage. Once I did that, I thought I should at least get a silver medal for the sexual special Olympics (yes, I'm a retard) Finished inside of her and that was that. Her phone died but I gave her my contact info because she said hopefully by November she'll be back in school.

[QuackUp]

I know there are pro and cons for a / see, but in most bars on walking street, there were at least one or two girls I would barfine. Most of my misses were my own indecision so basically self inflicted. Still had a blast and if you want natural sex, this is the place and country to be in.

[PeraXXX]

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[AsianPursuits]

a Chinese restaurant called Fortune .... we took the street next to the restaurant back. She wanted to go that way. This street had little pockets of street hookers. I'm sure they were cheap since they weren't looking that good. When we reached the end of the street we made a right turn and you could see walking street which was about two blocks away.That sounds like the area on Johnny Street. I have walked that way in the daytime but at night always in a car with locked doors. Very dodgy area by night. Roma Hotel / brothel also in that area.

Thanks for all the detailed reports. Seems you had fun.

[Dg8787]

That sounds like the area on Johnny Street. I have walked that way in the daytime but at night always in a car with locked doors. Very dodgy area by night. Roma Hotel / brothel also in that area.

Thanks for all the detailed reports. Seems you had fun.Fortune Hong Kong Seafood restaurant. Excellent food there. Best to walk 2 blocks down on MacArthur and left at McDo back to Fields. I usually take a girl or two to dinner there and trike it back to my hotel for nightly fun.

[Sammon]

Fortune Hong Kong Seafood restaurant. Excellent food there. Best to walk 2 blocks down on MacArthur and left at McDo back to Fields. I usually take a girl or two to dinner there and trike it back to my hotel for nightly fun.That back way is dangerous at night. Lots of trannies hang out there looking to rob I heard. I have walked daytime on that road to get some exercise walking to the casino. The thugs may not do anything to the girl but you will be an easy target. Girl will just walk away.

Always any country or city you are in do not take back roads at nighttime. Stick to main thoroughfare. Make sure that road has many people walking. If in doubt take a taxi.

[AsianPursuits]

That back way is dangerous at night. Lots of trannies hang out there looking to rob I heard. I have walked daytime on that road to get some exercise walking to the casino. The thugs may not do anything to the girl but you will be an easy target. Girl will just walk away.

Always any country or city you are in do not take back roads at nighttime. Stick to main thoroughfare. Make sure that road has many people walking. If in doubt take a taxi.Around Johnny Street there was an old dodgy motel that used to be there also. I think that was demolished 2017=18. I was never hassled during daylight hours.

For those not familiar with the area I attach a map.

Also if you want cheap and cheerful groceries Johnny Market on MacArthur is a well known reputable store.

[Nsugen]

As I'm doing my due diligence by RTFF, I have a quick question. Now that Jollibee has become more popular, seems like Filipinas are becoming fatter. Is that excess fat giving them some shapely booties? Or is all that nasty fried chicken going straight to their gut? I love Asian women with ass, so I'm praying all that fried goodness is popping out their booties.

[Dg8787]

As I'm doing my due diligence by RTFF, I have a quick question. Now that Jollibee has become more popular, seems like Filipinas are becoming fatter. Is that excess fat giving them some shapely booties? Or is all that nasty fried chicken going straight to their gut? I love Asian women with ass, so I'm praying all that fried goodness is popping out their booties.It has been addressed many times in the reports. Read on.

[Pute Nut]

That back way is dangerous at night. Lots of trannies hang out there looking to rob I heard. I have walked daytime on that road to get some exercise walking to the casino. The thugs may not do anything to the girl but you will be an easy target. Girl will just walk away.The poorly lit sidestreets are better avoided, MacArthur itself is no problem unless you look and behave like a target. I walk it all hours, between Johnny and Diamond, no issues. Balibago area generally fine, just watch out for the streetkids who may try to relieve you of your wallet / phone if you are not paying attention.

[AceKicker]

Hi. Landed Naia t3 8th Feb around 14:30. Got my luggage out fast and managed to catch thr 15:00 Genesis bus to AC. Fare 380 p. And took about 2 hrs 20 minutes to reach SM Clark. Before that stop they seem to have one stip earlier at CityMall so if your hotel is closer to that one might aswell jump out there. Anyways I stayed in ScoreBirds so no big difference which stop I use. I got out at SM and since weather was nice walked to the hotel.

I never stayed ScoreBirds before only attended the pool parties but I have to say the hotel staff are super nice and helpfull. That plus the restaurant makes it easy to recommend. Only downside my room was facing the Vian st. So could hear all the trikes passing by plus also had a constraction site there also.

Now to the nightlife I can tell I was a bit worried about the quality and quantity of the girls when reading this thread. Luckily things were not as near as that bad. In my 5 days I visited several bars like Goldbar, Penguin, Viking, Shooterz, BadBoy, Rhapsody, Geckos, Lollipop, LaBamba, Lucifer, Carousel and Atlantis (atleast these) and I can tell in all of those bars there was atleast one girl I could have barfined. In most of the bars the girls were drinking SMLight or SmApple so I can definately 100% say that cranberryjuice being the most common ladydrink nowadays is not true. Also I gave drinks to the girls in every bar I went and did not meet a single "drinks only" girl. Every girl was willing to join me but some of them just for ST so those ones were automatically out from my game. From the bar line up my opinion is that Carusel had the best looking Spotlight girls and I spend most of my money and time entertaining them. I barfined a girl every night and damage was 4000 p. And yes they were cute young girls with no kids. In few bars some girls quoted 5000 p. But for my experience 4000 p. Was the new normal.

All in all had fun 5 days there. Nothing much besides pussyprice has changed and my opinion remains the same as always. AC is a great place for me 2-3 days drinking, partying and getting girls guy with my face don't deserve but I would never move permanently there.

I'm currently in Barretto, Olongapo will write my report from here next week.

[Errol Flynn]

I never stayed ScoreBirds before only attended the pool parties but I have to say the hotel staff are super nice and helpfull. ...
I'm currently in Barretto, Olongapo will write my report from here next week.Thanks for the great report. Are the pool parties back on? If so any idea of the schedule? Their Facebook page was last updated in 2018.

Thanks.

[Dg8787]

Hi. Landed Naia t3 8th Feb around 14:30. Got my luggage out fast and managed to catch thr 15:00 Genesis bus to AC. Fare 380 p. And took about 2 hrs 20 minutes to reach SM Clark. Before that stop they seem to have one stip earlier at CityMall so if your hotel is closer to that one might aswell jump out there. Anyways I stayed in ScoreBirds so no big difference which stop I use. I got out at SM and since weather was nice walked to the hotel.

I never stayed ScoreBirds before only attended the pool parties but I have to say the hotel staff are super nice and helpfull. That plus the restaurant makes it easy to recommend. Only downside my room was facing the Vian st. So could hear all the trikes passing by plus also had a constraction site there also.

Now to the nightlife I can tell I was a bit worried about the quality and quantity of the girls when reading this thread. Luckily things were not as near as that bad. In my 5 days I visited several bars like Goldbar, Penguin, Viking, Shooterz, BadBoy, Rhapsody, Geckos, Lollipop, LaBamba, Lucifer, Carousel and Atlantis (atleast these) and I can tell in all of those bars there was atleast one girl I could have barfined. In most of the bars the girls were drinking SMLight or SmApple so I can definately 100% say that cranberryjuice being the most common ladydrink nowadays is not true. Also I gave drinks to the girls in every bar I went and did not meet a single "drinks only" girl. Every girl was willing to join me but some of them just for ST so those ones were automatically out from my game. From the bar line up my opinion is that Carusel had the best looking Spotlight girls and I spend most of my money and time entertaining them. I barfined a girl every night and damage was 4000 p. And yes they were cute young girls with no kids. In few bars some girls quoted 5000 p. But for my experience 4000 p. Was the new normal.

All in all had fun 5 days there. Nothing much besides pussyprice has changed and my opinion remains the same as always. AC is a great place for me 2-3 days drinking, partying and getting girls guy with my face don't deserve but I would never move permanently there.

I'm currently in Barretto, Olongapo will write my report from here next week.What! There were Cute Young Girls?

Btw, how many Koreans did you have to elbow out of the way each night? JK.

Glad you had a great time in AC and weren't scared away by the Negative Shit posts.

[FuriousGeorge]

Pool parties are back at Score Birds. Every third Sunday of the month.

It looks like the supposed 'new High Society' is open, called Eclipse, west of walking street. By the look of it, it's way less classy than Mega Dance, and fewer hot girls. Which probably means it is more freelancer friendly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22c0idwHvJ8


Thanks for the great report. Are the pool parties back on? If so any idea of the schedule? Their Facebook page was last updated in 2018.

Thanks.

[MrHappyKat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22c0idwHvJ8Interesting (disturbing?) to see a fight break out in that vid at 3:06. Looked like a little dude got pissed at a big dude and broke a beer bottle on a table to use as a weapon. Fortunate that club bouncers stepped in quickly to control the scene.

Guess I need to put Eclipse on my "must visit" - as soon as I can figure out where to get body armor in Angeles. LOL.

[FuriousGeorge]

I noticed that too. Have never seen a physical fight or even close to it in all my time in PH so that did seem a bit disturbing.


Interesting (disturbing?) to see a fight break out in that vid at 3:06. Looked like a little dude got pissed at a big dude and broke a beer bottle on a table to use as a weapon. Fortunate that club bouncers stepped in quickly to control the scene.

Guess I need to put Eclipse on my "must visit" - as soon as I can figure out where to get body armor in Angeles. LOL.

[NapaSlapper]

What! There were Cute Young Girls?

Btw, how many Koreans did you have to elbow out of the way each night? JK.

Glad you had a great time in AC and weren't scared away by the Negative Shit posts.Yes there are some cute young girls in the bars of angeles unfortunately the cute young girls happen to be on the arm of koreans or hustling for drinks only.

As far as having a good time in angeles city well that depends how fussy one is, drink 20 beers and have the attitude of I must get laid tonight and those beer goggles will help greatly in ones selection and end goal.

For those of us that don't suffer from beer goggle syndrome and might be just a little more fussy in our choice of girls then its almost impossible as a westerner to get near to the better looking, slim, younger girls of angeles.

Member ace kicker has just said in his trip report that most bars have at least 1 girl that in his view was barfinable, to me I see that as a red flag, it means the other 30-40 girls of each bar are not up to standard to want to barfine with.

Last week end barhops I was out with expat friends in the bars, although we had a nice catch up over a few drinks none of us found many girls that we wanted to barfine of the couple that were up to standard they were either sitting with koreans already, were virgins or were only there to hustle drinks and making it rain money.

Would love to see some photos posted to go with trip reports, that way one might have an idea of the quality one is happy to have a good time with.

[Errol Flynn]

Pool parties are back at Score Birds. Every third Sunday of the month.

It looks like the supposed 'new High Society' is open, called Eclipse, west of walking street. By the look of it, it's way less classy than Mega Dance, and fewer hot girls. Which probably means it is more freelancer friendly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22c0idwHvJ8Thanks George. Great video too.

[WestCoast1]

Would love to see some photos posted to go with trip reports, that way one might have an idea of the quality one is happy to have a good time with.NS, are you talking photos of barfined girls? As in a hotel or resto (outside the bar)? Cameras have been verboten in AC and Burgos bars since before pandemic (possibly close to a decade). Are there bars allowing pics of girls inside? Which ones?

Separately from that, I found multiple barfine-able girls in almost every bar I was in late last year.

[Errol Flynn]

After a long drought I am able to make my first big post Covid trip. I am leaning towards the PI (never been there) but part of me is pulling to Colombia (been there, loved it, but been there).

I used to think that if I read enough of the Forum I would know where to go. But these days posts about Colombia say that 1) you will get drugged, 2) you will get underage scammed, 3) you will get robbed at knife point and 4) (this one is true) there are national protests that have shut down Centro Medellin. Doesn't sound very appealing, even though I know young slim Paisas are super hot and the financial expectation in Colombia is much lower than in the PI.

So then I read about the PI and it sounds like if I'm not a thirty something fit Korean none of the cute girls will touch me. What's the point of that? Although I am a Cheap Charlie at heart and will always do my best not to ruin the market for my brothers (that's why I read the Forum), on another level I will be a two week millionaire, and if it's 4000 pesos for a bar fine (much more than in Colombia) if that will get me a hot young (18-22) PiliPina, I don't mind. Let's be clear: while I try to have good hygiene and my shrink says I'm charismatic, girls are only going to be with me for the Benjamins. Is a week in AC a huge mistake for a guy like me? My current plan is a week (or so) in AC followed by a couple days in Makati, then 4 or so days in Sabang followed by a night or two in Ermita before I fly out.

It will cost a lot more than a similar trip to Colombia, but I like small asses, I dislike Scopolamine, new places / adventures are always great and I like things "au natural" which can often be achieved in Colombia for the right price, but is certainly not standard.

Thoughts, gentlemen?

[AceKicker]

Yes there are some cute young girls in the bars of angeles unfortunately the cute young girls happen to be on the arm of koreans or hustling for drinks only.

As far as having a good time in angeles city well that depends how fussy one is, drink 20 beers and have the attitude of I must get laid tonight and those beer goggles will help greatly in ones selection and end goal.

For those of us that don't suffer from beer goggle syndrome and might be just a little more fussy in our choice of girls then its almost impossible as a westerner to get near to the better looking, slim, younger girls of angeles.

Member ace kicker has just said in his trip report that most bars have at least 1 girl that in his view was barfinable, to me I see that as a red flag, it means the other 30-40 girls of each bar are not up to standard to want to barfine with.

Last week end barhops I was out with expat friends in the bars, although we had a nice catch up over a few drinks none of us found many girls that we wanted to barfine of the couple that were up to standard they were either sitting with koreans already, were virgins or were only there to hustle drinks and making it rain money.

Would love to see some photos posted to go with trip reports, that way one might have an idea of the quality one is happy to have a good time with.Just to clear some facts out I am 39 yrs old tall, blond w blue eyes usually those characteristics the girls here seem to like. What comes to alchohol consumption mine is pretty much next to zero and out of those 5 days I got myself drunk once.

I think there's been talk about this before but maybe my success doesn't automatically quarantee success for the next guy. All I know is I always treat the girls with huge respect, listen to their worries and generally be as nice as I can. Some of the girls I spoke even told me they always prefer a white dude over korean if they can.

Yes it is true for 1 true beauty there are that 20 not so attractive girls around. I wish there were a larger scale what comes to barfines since I feel it's a bit unfair to the not so pretty ones if their prices are put same level with the beauties.

Sorry for no photos like I said I respect the girls and their privacy plus some of them have become my long time friends even they already gotten old and are happily married with children all around the world.

[Goferring]

Thoughts, gentlemen?For a first time visitor, with only a week (less travel time) it's hard to not recommend AC. Many other places are nicer, have fresher girls, are cheaper etc but you are going to loose days and money getting there and finding your feet etc. Save those areas for subsequent visits, if you decide that you like PI.

Are you going to Sabang for diving? If so, maybe investigate Subic. It's much closer and easier to get to from AC and has very good wreck diving.

Enjoy. G.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Interesting (disturbing?) to see a fight break out in that vid at 3:06. Looked like a little dude got pissed at a big dude and broke a beer bottle on a table to use as a weapon. Fortunate that club bouncers stepped in quickly to control the scene.

Guess I need to put Eclipse on my "must visit" - as soon as I can figure out where to get body armor in Angeles. LOL.The little dude seemed to me to be a woman based on her dress and hair in a bun.

[Errol Flynn]

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Are you going to Sabang for diving? If so, maybe investigate Subic. It's much closer and easier to get to from AC and has very good wreck diving.

Enjoy. G.Thanks. I want to go to Sabang mostly for the island / beach vibe which I love. White beach for the sand, Sabang for the tropical small beach town feel (which I know from the Caribbewan) with the plus of six girly bars. If I meet a chivk I want to bring along beforehand that won't matter (but it's doubtful on a brief trip). I have considered Subic. Pre-Covid the bars sounded great, but now they sound mediocre while the beach has always sounbded like shit. I am always open to learning more.

I think I'd kind of enjoy the trip to Sabang. Back when there was a float plane I would have loved that. It sounds like that is no more, but a cab from MNL and a small boat across the channel still sound like fun.

Thanks for any advice.

[NapaSlapper]

NS, are you talking photos of barfined girls? As in a hotel or resto (outside the bar)? Cameras have been verboten in AC and Burgos bars since before pandemic (possibly close to a decade). Are there bars allowing pics of girls inside? Which ones?

Separately from that, I found multiple barfine-able girls in almost every bar I was in late last year.Unfortunately westy no photos allowed inside the bars for as you say multiple years.

Maybe the bar owners want to hide the multiple fatties and oldies in order to keep the dream alive for the noobies or those that have not visited in years.

As always girls quality is in the eye of the beholder, maybe a late 30's or mid 40's chubbie plain jane girl is a dream come true for guys in their mid 60's or 70's-80's because she is half their age and young to them so maybe ok, for those of us that are in our late 40's or very early 50's then maybe not acceptable to us, lets face it if younger guys want fatty plain janes of middle age or similar age to themselves then might as well stay home as most can find such in their own country, normally for free.

As I have repeated countless times on my many barhops its not only me that does not see our type of girls in the bar but multiple angeles expat friends also don't see them, I very recently bar hopped on a very well known angeles bar owners birthday to multiple bars and his very words in most bars visited was (and I thought I was having a torrid time finding young slim barfineable girls to work in my bars, seems most others are finding it just as hard).

Happy for those that visit angeles and find multiple girls to their taste but unfortunately the same girls are not mine or other peoples taste, hence why I say it would be nice if trip reports of multiple beautiful young barfineble girls came with a photo if possible (does not have to be naked) so others can see what some call stunners or 7 8,9's.

In the absence of up to date angeles girl photos on mongering sites then I tend to beleive what I see with my own eyes on the streets and bars of angeles, what I see is the young koreans sometimes have a cutie on their arm as for the older westerners, not seen a cutie on any of their arms in multiple years, some might call this being negative, I call it being honest.

[EarlHarvey]

I am in AC now, middle of a ten day trip. Tall, white Westerner, mid 60's, not afraid to spend money. Staying at ABC. A great hotel, designed for this lifestyle. Having alot of fun, but the Korean influence is real. I like the energy and selection of talent at the Korean Bars. Discovered I had to befriend the Mammasan, to see which ladies would only go with Koreans? On the young beautiful ones, the majority. One Mamasan told me to leave, in a nice way. Beautiful women can be had, but have to be able to play with the rules in this environment. When you do find the right lady, long time 85 bucks a steal in my mind. I take them to nightclub at Aqui, Bar in ABC. Great experience. I am not used to being turned down by Bargirls because of race, but it does happen here. I still think it can be alot of fun.

[Docwiltro]

The club looks to be in the vicinity of the other dance clubs at the top end of Fields: maybe on the other side of the street. I see PaulyMack has returned to his former position he held at Hiso.




It looks like the supposed 'new High Society' is open, called Eclipse, west of walking street. By the look of it, it's way less classy than Mega Dance, and fewer hot girls. Which probably means it is more freelancer friendly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22c0idwHvJ8

[Expat American]

For a first time visitor, with only a week (less travel time) it's hard to not recommend AC. Many other places are nicer, have fresher girls, are cheaper etc but you are going to loose days and money getting there and finding your feet etc. Save those areas for subsequent visits, if you decide that you like PI.

Are you going to Sabang for diving? If so, maybe investigate Subic. It's much closer and easier to get to from AC and has very good wreck diving.

Enjoy. G.Can't compare Sabang and Subic. Diving in Sabang is far better. Subic has a few wrecks but the visibility is often shit. Sabang has a lot of reefs, macro diving, wreck and clear water with better visibility. If diving is the main attraction, Sabang hands down. If bars are more important then maybe Subic.

[Pute Nut]

Pool parties are back at Score Birds. Every third Sunday of the month.

It looks like the supposed 'new High Society' is open, called Eclipse, west of walking street. By the look of it, it's way less classy than Mega Dance, and fewer hot girls. Which probably means it is more freelancer friendly.
Can confirm this, although I wouldn't say quality is suffering. Was in there and out with a cutie within 30 minutes.

[Goferring]

Thanks. I want to go to Sabang mostly for the island / beach vibe which I love.If you are going for the vibe then Sabang makes more sense both day and night. Subic is functional but almost soulless. Sabang bars have a lot more of a fun element to them. As Expat mentioned, the general diving is much better there too, unless you are a dedicated wreck diver, then Subic wins hands down.

It's a shame the float planes collapsed. It was a very scenic trip and well worth the price. Less than an hour for the same cost as a charter van / bunca. If you are limited in time, then I would still still go with the charter as it's door to door, rather than several steps, so saves you a lot of time and hassle.

I guess you know that Sabang is very small so stay close to the main bar alley and it's a five minute walk to everywhere.

Enjoy. G.

PS make sure you include Verde Island. Getting there and back means that the dive days are dependant on numbers and may not run every day but it lives up to its reputation. If you have quals to dive deep, then even more so. Just be prepared for strong currents

Cheers.

[Errol Flynn]

If you are going for the vibe then Sabang makes more sense both day and night. Subic is functional but almost soulless. Sabang bars have a lot more of a fun element to them. As Expat mentioned, the general diving is much better there too, unless you are a dedicated wreck diver, then Subic wins hands down.

It's a shame the float planes collapsed. It was a very scenic trip and well worth the price. Less than an hour for the same cost as a charter van / bunca. If you are limited in time, then I would still still go with the charter as it's door to door, rather than several steps, so saves you a lot of time and hassle.

I guess you know that Sabang is very small so stay close to the main bar alley and it's a five minute walk to everywhere.

Enjoy. G.

PS make sure you include Verde Island. Getting there and back means that the dive days are dependant on numbers and may not run every day but it lives up to its reputation. If you have quals to dive deep, then even more so. Just be prepared for strong currents

Cheers.Thanks this is very helpful. I think I want to see Sabang. MNL and AC will give me enough late night partying.

[AsianPursuits]

Unfortunately westy no photos allowed inside the bars for as you say multiple years.

Maybe the bar owners want to hide the multiple fatties and oldies in order to keep the dream alive for the noobies or those that have not visited in years.Maybe mongers don't like being included in photos taken without their permission and plastered all over the internet.

[NapaSlapper]

Just to clear some facts out I am 39 yrs old tall, blond w blue eyes usually those characteristics the girls here seem to like. What comes to alchohol consumption mine is pretty much next to zero and out of those 5 days I got myself drunk once.

I think there's been talk about this before but maybe my success doesn't automatically quarantee success for the next guy. All I know is I always treat the girls with huge respect, listen to their worries and generally be as nice as I can. Some of the girls I spoke even told me they always prefer a white dude over korean if they can.

Yes it is true for 1 true beauty there are that 20 not so attractive girls around. I wish there were a larger scale what comes to barfines since I feel it's a bit unfair to the not so pretty ones if their prices are put same level with the beauties.

Sorry for no photos like I said I respect the girls and their privacy plus some of them have become my long time friends even they already gotten old and are happily married with children all around the world.Thanks for your input, just a few thoughts if I may.

Reading through your trip report you quoted the bars that you visited which happen to all be the ex pat western orientated bars of angeles which cater to westerners, so yes being 39,tall with a full head of hair might be advantageous as most guys in these bars are elderly westerners, on the other hand if you had visited the korean bars that employ all the younger cuter girls then being 39,tall with hair might not be advantageous, why because the better looking girls of these bars are interested in the younger, tall, handsome very high spending korean customers only, as an example a friends expats sons were over from the uk a few weeks ago, the sons being early 20's,tall, fit with very handsome looks were getting zero attention from the cuties in the korean orientated bars when we visited.

Again you mentioned in your trip report that you did not encounter drinks only girls, well again drinks only girls do not work in the western orientated bars that you visited, hell most of the girls in those bars are lucky to get 1 drink bought for them throughout the night so obviously would not make good drinks only girls.

You also said that you saw girls drinking from beer bottles, again its down to a punters choice of bar and girl, choose the type of girl that rarely gets bought lady drinks then I'm sure she will be able to handle a beer, on the other hand choose the type of girl that has the looks, body and youth to be very popular for multiple drinks bought per hour then she will be on juice only for the obvious reason of not getting wasted and being of no use to the bar if she is puking her guts up in the cr.

As far as bar girls telling her punter she prefers a certain nationality then I think you will find that most bar girls tell a punter what she thinks he wants to hear, if american, she, loves americans, if british the same, if indian the same etc.

Not trying to knock your way of having fun or bar hopping, what's important is that you had fun, but as always one punters type of fun might not be anothers type of fun.

[NapaSlapper]

Maybe mongers don't like being included in photos taken without their permission and plastered all over the internet.I think you will find that on any given night on the streets of angeles one will encounter multiple utube bloggers filming all the mongers in angeles and plastering it all over the internet.

Unfortunately no way of keeping a low profile or hiding from the fact one is indeed in angeles and walking in a street that is geared to prostitution.

[LoveItHere69]

Maybe mongers don't like being included in photos taken without their permission and plastered all over the internet.Seriously, it is not about you Princess. That is true but hardly the correct answer. Pictures and videos give police agencies a reason to come visit the bar, save the girls, shut down the bar, and give police and officials money if the bar wishes to re-open. Video and pictures also attract Non-Government Organizations such as the International Justice Mission (IJM) who are a bunch of USA Religious lawyers to come visit. IJM cleaned up Cambodia about 20 years ago. I had some guys explain the before and after of that. Prostitution is illegal but tolerated in PI. It should not be flaunted. Philippines and ANgeles City officials want to be known as a tourist destination and not a sex tourist destination. Think of the slogan "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas".

I knew a street girl who was secretly video taped making introduction she should not have. Then a year later they set her up. She is doing life in prison. She was on the news program '60 Minutes' in the USA. Sadly, I doubt you even know what that is.

I read awhile back that there was an app that the Koreans are using to get the bar girls. But other nationalities are not made aware of it. I believe part of the reason is that the Koreans are more discrete versus some big mouth nationalities.

[JusRide]

I've seen the same foreigner (thinner white guy) walking through Walking Street with his bicycle and holding his GoPro. Conveniently he's wearing a gator neck mask, hat and sunglasses, yet vlogging. I usually wear a mask when I go out doors in this area and if it's not too dark also sunglasses.


I think you will find that on any given night on the streets of angeles one will encounter multiple utube bloggers filming all the mongers in angeles and plastering it all over the internet.

Unfortunately no way of keeping a low profile or hiding from the fact one is indeed in angeles and walking in a street that is geared to prostitution.

[DandyMan51]

Note: My posts tend to get rather long so I broke this up into parts.

Arrived in Manila in the early evening and waited through an extensive immigration line due to the number of flights from China arriving. Immigration was longer than I am used to in most countries. Many questions asked: How long are you here? Are you alone? Where are you staying? Show me your return ticket? Show me your hotel reservation? But in the end I got through. I haven't had a mongering trip since November so I decided I would go straight to the "mongering paradise" called Angeles City. I got money out of the ATM and got a sim card (1500 PHP).

Tip: Don't get a sim card from the airport unless you absolutely need to. I realized later that the plans at the airport are excessive and you are way better off just getting a sim card from a shop and loading it with a couple hundred pesos as needed.

I initially looked to get a coupon taxi but was quoted some price like 7000 PHP and instead opted for a meter taxi to Victory Liner Pasay (500 PHP) and then a bus to Dau. At the station, no need to wait in the ticket counter line. Just ask a bus driver and they will direct you to the correct bus. Pay on the bus ( 200 PHP). I believe all northward buses go direct to Dau and then proceed to other destinations. Got off at Dau and paid 150 PHP for a trike to Kandi Tower.

Checked in and had a couple of hours to kill so I grabbed a trike to walking street (100 PHP). Explored some of the bars and clubs there. It was valentines day so I didn't expect much. I saw a lot of girls with guys walking on the street so I assume they were barfined already. I went to Arabesque and watched a dance show. The girl dancing seemed cute so I called her over after the dance and got her a drink (mango juice). We talked for a bit and messed around but I really wasn't getting the vibe I wanted from her so I decided to bounce after paying my drink. Got some McDonalds on the way out and went back to my apartment to get some work done (I work US hours).

[DandyMan51]

The next morning I woke up late and met up with fellow ISG member, JusRide during the day. Met at Penguin bar where he had a girl he already knew. Had a drink and bounced and looked around some of the other bars, nothing too interesting so I grabbed some food and went back to my apartment to relax. Joined JusRide at Dollhouse at around 7 PM where we each had a girl. I choose one of the dancers name Liveh (I guess I have a thing for dancers). Had a couple of beers and got her two lady drinks (gin and tonic) and barfined. I initially asked for long time but apparently it was only short time which explains why I got 1000 PHP back after I thought I paid the right amount. Total 4000 PHP short time, 900 PHP total for two beers and two lady drinks. Took a trike to my apartment where we talked for a bit longer. Girl has attractive from Mindinao, has two kids (1 and 2). We each showered and started some foreplay. She refused to DFK and gave me a BBBJ. Since this was the Phillipines I decided to try for some BBFS. It took very little convincing and she agreed (Please no arguments on this, I know the risks and I have been vaccinated for every STI possible as well as am on PrEP and always carry around antibiotics). She declined DATY though I think that was because I didn't have any soap in my shower. Afterwards she cleaned me up and got ready and left. I told her I paid for long time but she correctly said that I paid for short time which made me realize why I got my 1000 PHP back. She said she was going to Manila the next day to get her passport and that some of the girls were going off to Japan as dancers (allegedly no full service there). She was saying the pay was from 7000 to 10000 php per month. She may have been lying but it seems like too comprehensive of a lie for a bar girl. I had been talking with her for about two hours at that point and she really didn't feel like the sharpest tool in the shed to make up such a comprehensive lie. Escorted her out of the building and went on to do my regular job for the night.

I was busy with work on Thursday so I didn't go out at all.

[LoveItHere69]

Maybe mongers don't like being included in photos taken without their permission and plastered all over the internet.Actually the girls are next in line. The girls do not want friends, family, and especially the Western Union fools sending them money to see them in a bars found in Angeles on Youtube.

Can you see how money is the main issue for the bars first, girls second, and mongers third?

[AsianPursuits]

I knew a street girl who was secretly video taped making introduction she should not have. Then a year later they set her up. She is doing life in prison. She was on the news program '60 Minutes' in the USA. Sadly, I doubt you even know what that is.
No need to be sad for me. Help take some action and stamp out vloggers.

[Goferring]

No need to be sad for me. Help take some action and stamp out vloggers.Looks like you got your wish. A young black kid was recently booted from YT (and possibly run out of town??) After stalking civilian girls with a GoPro, following foreigners way too close for comfort, and basically being cringe as fuck. Guys were telling him to pull his head in, and he was even on the wrong end of some pretty heated discussions in the middle of the street, but some people never learn.

Being blocked probably saved him a much worse fate.

Enjoy. G.

[Sir Lancelot]

(This diary continues from the Manila thread).

I had enjoyed Manila but was excited to be heading to Angeles, one of my favourite adult playgrounds.

After packing I met Macca outside New Coast Hotel, a few blocks away. It's a 5 star hotel that scores highly on Tripadvisor but Macca said he was underwhelmed and it was nothing special. He paid 4000 pesos a night but at least he had a window in his room!

He'd negotiated a fixed rate fare of 3000 baht plus tolls to take us to Angeles, from a driver he'd used the day before. It was a pleasant two hour journey. The driver left his meter on which reached 1435 pesos, so I guess the 3000 fare was about right given his return trip.

I'm staying at Wild Orchid Lagoon and I'm delighted with my room. Firstly it has a window, a safe and aircon that doesn't sound like a 737 is landing in my room, a step up from my hotel in Manila. The room is clean and spacious but I must admit the main reason I booked it is the mirror next to the bed. It cost me 3500 pesos per night.

The best thing about Wild Orchid is its proximity to Fields Avenue. It's located on A Santos Street, just a two minute walk from Kokomos, where I arranged to meet Macca. On that short walk I passed an outstandingly pretty freelancer, standing opposite the trikes. I can barely recall seeing a streetwalker so pretty. I plan to dip my toe in to the freelancer scene while in Angeles but tonight it was all about the gogos.

We got prime seats at Kokomos and enjoyed catching up over a beer and fried rice. We saw lots of pretty girls walking past and some beauties leaving XS opposite with customers.

But we decided to start our gogo crawl with a visit to Dollhouse as we both have good memories of the place. I've barfined three girls over the years from this bar (including a hottie who sang 'I'm sexy and I know it' as she got changed the morning after) and Macca came within an inch of lining up the threesome of all threesomes, with a stunner called Maike and her best friend Bella, the prettiest girl in the bar.

Our high expectations came plummeting down to earth as soon as we pushed through the curtains. The stage was filled with ten older, average girls wearing sparkly dresses. A few of them it was hard to believe ever got barfined. But of course it's always worth waiting for the next dance shift and soon the stage was crowded with younger girls, including several contenders for a ladydrink at least. A slim girl with fake tits and big blowjob lips caught my attention, as well as a small Chinese looking girl with pale skin and short hair.

Would Viking give us the horn? The outside of the bar looks like a pirate ship and inside the stage was crowded with girls, standing shoulder to shoulder. They were all probably in their 20's and there were a few that caught my eye, including a lovely girl wearing a tight white top with big boobs. 'This is what it's all about' declared Macca by way of approval.

But then it went downhill fast. Star Wars music blared out and the stage quickly cleared of girls so an older ladyboy could lip-sync 'I Will Always Love You'. When that finished five average older girls slow-danced to two more songs. I quite admire how these bars try to include everyone (and Filipina girls love to perform) but for someone like me, on the lookout for a girl to barfine, it was 15 minutes wasted.

Fortunately the younger girls returned, doing a catwalk style routine, each taking it in turns to walk up and down the stage. A lovely girl in a white dress smiled in my direction several times, a definite maybe for either later tonight or another night.

Next we decided to go to Atlantis, another bar I have fond memories of. It used to be the number one bar in Angeles in my opinion but sadly I was disappointed. The main stage was filled with an average selection of girls, looking bored. Some had their arms folded and I don't blame them, the music was some of the worst I've ever heard in a gogo bar. Death metal is not going to get girls dancing!

There were just enough lookers to make me think this is a bar that might be worth coming back to. On the balcony overlooking the stage I saw a pretty girl with blonde frizzy hair and a sexy girl with black PVC boots.

Macca wanted us to try Brown Sugar next but it was dead. A girl at the door had to clap to get the four girls on stage moving.

We backtracked and a nice girl tried to pull me in to Arabesque. I was put off by the name, it conjures images of shish pipes and deafening music, like the old Arab Quarter in Pattaya.

Speaking of Thailand, Baccara is a famous name in their gogo scene (the one on soi Cowboy was renowned for having the prettiest girls), so we decided to give Walking Street's Baccara a go. It looked promising from the street with lots of girls sat outside. Inside four girls were dancing topless, with only black tape sparing their blushes. The waitress pointed me to a seat next to a lovely looking girl who I immediately got chatting to.

Disclaimer time. In previous Angeles diaries I used the actual names of the girls. I figured they deserved it if it threw a few extra customers their way. But some fuckwit from this forum decided to track down each of the girls I mentioned and tell them they'd been written about on a sex forum. I assume he had a lot of time on his hands and tried to paint himself as a knight in shining armour. Creepy behaviour.

So I'm going to call her Yannie. She had a really pretty face, glittery eye shadow and although 24, looked younger. Best of all she had a dazzling smile and wasn't afraid to use it.

This bar used to be called Cambodia I believe and on my previous visits always had a fantastic atmosphere. It might now have a different name but it seems little has changed and it's a fun place to visit. The music is good too. I had pangs of nostalgia when the anthem of my last trip started playing ('all I really want is you' clap clap) and then very next song 'A Little Bit Dangerous' came on, another song to soundtrack my visit ten years ago. Yannie showed me the dance moves to this song which were surprisingly X-rated.

'It's hot in here' she said, 'air-con broken'.

'My room is nice and cool' I said like a smooth operator.

Her barfine was expensive at 5000 for long-time but I couldn't resist. It's easy to find girls you are attracted to in Angeles, but when you click with one with a fun and flirty personality, you know you're in for a good time.

We said goodbye to Macca, who was eyeing a girl dancing very enthusiastically in front of the stage.

I got the impression Yannie was not an experienced girl as she was wowed by the swimming pool and spiral staircase at my hotel. Then when we got to my room she wanted to take a bath, like she'd never had one before. It's a good way to get to know each other, chatting while lathering each other's bodies. We kissed and then she gave me a nice blowjob.

I was interested to see whether she would insist on a condom but she just lowered herself on and rode me, warm water sloshing around the tub. Having sex in a bath sounds exotic but it's quite impractical and almost all positions are impossible, so we dried ourselves off and resumed on my bed. As I was grinding in to her slowly in mish I sucked one of her large bud-like nipples and milk came out. She'd later explain she had a one year old son but the father abandoned her because he was too young to have a child.

The sex was great. I fucked her harder on top as she made squeaky groans, then spooned her in front of the mirror and she rode me.

We cuddled up to each other afterwards and I enjoyed chatting with her. Language is far less of a barrier in Philippines than Thailand for example, so it's really easy to get to know a girl. After about an hour we fell asleep, legs intertwined, the perfect end to a great night.

[WestCoast1]

Great report.


Disclaimer time. In previous Angeles diaries I used the actual names of the girls. I figured they deserved it if it threw a few extra customers their way. But some fuckwit from this forum decided to track down each of the girls I mentioned and tell them they'd been written about on a sex forum. I assume he had a lot of time on his hands and tried to paint himself as a knight in shining armour. Creepy behaviour.Been running into this kind of thing for more than a decade; its a repeated ugliness. These do-gooders show this or that girl a post here from ISG, telling her that some guy is posting about her. A lesson for all of us that this type of thing happens. Names of girls and cities get changed. Do-gooders often get the girl wrong anyway, confusing his GF with the girl posted in a picture.

Forewarned caveat: If a poster says the posted girl is Gemma from Surigao City (Mindanao island), its quite possible she's really Anna from Tarlac (an hour north of AC, on Luzon island).


The sex was great. I fucked her harder on top as she made squeaky groans, then spooned her in front of the mirror and she rode me. We cuddled up to each other afterwards and I enjoyed chatting with her. Language is far less of a barrier in Philippines than Thailand for example, so it's really easy to get to know a girl. After about an hour we fell asleep, legs intertwined, the perfect end to a great night.Part of the je ne sais quoi of the Pilipina. Its difficult to explain. Their limited English, general happiness and open-ness, and strong desire to socialize and communicate, makes immediate relationship-forming and friendship quite possible.

Well that, and their willingness to get vaccinated. Regularly. Well, I should call it: Re-boosting.

[AsianPursuits]

But then it went downhill fast. Star Wars music blared out and the stage quickly cleared of girls so an older ladyboy could lip-sync 'I Will Always Love You'. When that finished five average older girls slow-danced to two more songs. I quite admire how these bars try to include everyone (and Filipina girls love to perform) but for someone like me, on the lookout for a girl to barfine, it was 15 minutes wasted..The Star Wars music is the signal for the dancers to rotate off stage and be replaced by the next troupe. I think the LB singer is terrible and is bad for business.

Great report.

[Sir Lancelot]

Yannie and I had sex again in the morning. I usually always cover up but you can't beat the velvety warmth you get fucking bareback that condoms just can't replicate.

I went for a walk around midday to get a feel for my surroundings and suss out where the closest 7 Eleven was. I also walked along Fields Avenue to get a sense of daytime action. There weren't many freelancers but a number of the bars were open. It was scorching hot so I found myself seeking the shady side of the street.

After buying two big bottles of water and some snacks from a 7 Eleven I returned to my room and whiled away half an hour on Tinder. Within 30 seconds I had a match and two minutes later she had sent me a message. A rich hunting ground I suspect.

Evening came around quickly and I met Macca at Swiss Chalet, where I jealously watched him eating a sizzling pork sisig. I still have no appetite since the food poisoning in Manila. All I've eaten today was a cheese toastie from the 7 Eleven and a few mentos.

We moved on to Envy, a bar overlooking the street near the Walking Street sign. I've read it's a good place to observe freelancers but in half an hour the only that I saw were ladyboys. Ladyboys aren't my thing but it has to be said they're a lot prettier than the katoeys treading the tarmac in Pattaya. We watched as a minibus picked up a group of four Korean men, each with girls they'd already secured from one of the gogo bars. The time was only 7. 45 pm! You have to hand it to our Korean brothers, they strike quickly.

Macca was feeling under the weather tonight so I was in lone wolf mode.

I decided to start with a recce down the full length of Walking Street. A quick short-time with a freelancer would suit me just fine tonight after the sleep deprivation of late. I'd seen some lovely looking streetwalkers the night before but maybe I was hallucinating as there were far fewer tonight.

Last night I was grabbed by a cute little thing outside Arabesque and had promised her I'd return some time. So tonight when she spotted me approaching she intercepted me to ensure that now was that time. Inside there were 30 girls crowded on to the stage, all wearing modest black dresses. They weren't dancing, just sitting or standing beneath the old Sensations sign. A few were pretty. I bought a drink for the cute Hello Girl which she had gulped down before I'd barely had two sips of mine. As if by magic a waitress appeared and asked 'another drink for lady sir?' I enforced my strict one-ladydrink-one-boydrink rule which the cute girl interpreted as lack of interest and went outside again. It's a shame bars like this are pushy because it probably cost them a barfine in this instance.

Time for another freelance search. Walking Street, blank. Raymond, blank. Santos, blank. Of course there were a few around but none to my taste.

At Centauro I thought I'd found the one. I saw a sweet looking girl shivering on stage so invited her down for a drink. She was a fresh-faced 19 year old who didn't drink alcohol or smoke and has no tattoos or children. On top of that she was skinny, had a top-heavy figure and looked fabulous in the red lacy outfit she was wearing. She was very easy to talk to as well, with a bright, inquisitive nature. I thought she was too good to be true and I was right, she told me she doesn't go with customers.

Next I went to Genesis, which proved to be the best bar I've visited in Angeles over the two nights so far.

When I walked in the stage was crowded with 30 girls wearing matching black dresses, a few of whom were pretty. But the most noticeable thing was the great atmosphere. Girls dance along to the music videos on the screens, there was lots of laughing and interaction with customers and the waitresses were good fun too. One of them explained to me there were four types of girl, dancers (those on stage now), cultural dancers, spotlight girls and models.

The two prettiest girls were sat on the couch near me, giving me lots of eye contact. One was cute and giggled whenever I caught her glance, the other was confident and winked at me playfully. Last night I went with a cute one, so tonight I decided to invite the confident one to join me for a drink. She was 20 years old, had a lovely face, braces on her teeth and fantastic glittery eye makeup. I'll call her Maria for this diary. She was flirty and we clicked straight away. When she asked 'where you stay?' I knew it was game on.

Suddenly the stage cleared and the models did a brief catwalk show. When she was sat next to me Maria had been covered up by a silk gown but on stage she was wearing a skimpy bikini that showed off a fabulous figure. She and all of the other girls confidently walked from one side of the bar to the other, to the whoops and cheers from the other girls. Arguably the standout girl was the cute girl I'd been tempted to buy a drink for earlier. She had shorter shoulder length hair and looked fabulous as she held the spotlight.

After the catwalk show came cultural dancers. The word 'cultural' makes me think of Javanese or Geisha-style dances, but this was a dance troupe consisting of a guy and six girls, performing a perfectly synced routine. I like the fact bars put on shows like this as the girls love it and the place becomes alive. So much so in fact I've decided to appoint myself head judge of Angeles Got Talent, and currently Genesis are winning.

The barfine for Maria was 4500 long time. She was a 'model' so I assume there is a sliding scale depending which girl you pick.

I had high hopes for this girl but the experience in the room was disappointing.

Firstly she was a reluctant kisser and secondly her flirty confident demeanour evaporated once her clothes came off. She became sombre and told me about her family problems and how hard she has to work to support them. I admire these girls for how they look after their family, so listened and said all the right things in reply, but I must admit I was more interested in getting down to business. She hadn't had a child and her body was in its prime.

'You want sleep now?' she asked cheekily.

'I'm not tired, you can make tired?' I replied.

Thankfully she took the subtle hint, sat up and began giving me a skilful two-handed handjob.

I've decided that in Angeles I'm not going to enquire about condoms, I'm going to see how events unfold naturally. Last night's girl gave me two bareback sessions without question but Maria asked 'you have condom?' before I was even erect.

The sex was okay but I'll always mark it down without kissing. As I fucked her in mish she growled 'oh yeah, fuck me harder', like she was on pornhub. She then got on to all-fours facing the mirror and I fucked her hard doggy style as we locked eyes. I always enjoy being rode by pretty girls but Maria kept changing pace, so I found it difficult to cum. Slow, grind, fast, bounce, rinse and repeat. I ended up wanking myself off as I buried my face in to her perfect tits.

Shortly afterwards she asked me if it was okay to go as her mum was having an asthmatic attack and needed to go to hospital. Although we'd agreed on long-time in the bar, I decided to play along with her story and let her leave. To be honest I was pleased. If I take a girl for long-time I want affection, cuddling and kissing, but Maria was just going through the motions. I knew I'd have a better night's sleep with the bed to myself.

Amusingly after she got changed she took several videos for her tik-tok, her mum's medical emergency soon forgotten! One of the videos was me kissing her on the cheek.

Before she left she asked for a tip. I told her I would have tipped if she stayed long-time but cannot if she leaves after just two hours. She accepted my reasoning, gave me a big hug and disappeared in to the night.

[JusRide]

That's freaking hilarious. I stopped by Vikings the other week barhopping. I had a girl I BF from DollHouse with me. Must of been close to midnight and sure enough there were 2 obvious baklas on stage and later the stage cleared for 5-6 of them to do their show. Being I already had someone with me and we were pretty intoxicated, the show was pretty entertaining. My girl asked and the waitress said it's 4500 BF for them. I told my girl this is exactly the reason why I always ask a girl if they're 100% female no matter how convincing they look.

Granted if I wasn't drunk and with a girl, I don't think I would have been entertained or stayed. It helped that my girl was giving me a lap dance and kissing me most of the time and being extremely affectionate. By the end of the night we returned to DH for one last round and I somehow became her boyfriend as she told all the dancers we were together now. Go figure. This is going to be interesting when I return as I usually BF another girl, but she was not working this night.


(This diary continues from the Manila thread).

But then it went downhill fast. Star Wars music blared out and the stage quickly cleared of girls so an older ladyboy could lip-sync 'I Will Always Love You'. When that finished five average older girls slow-danced to two more songs. I quite admire how these bars try to include everyone (and Filipina girls love to perform) but for someone like me, on the lookout for a girl to barfine, it was 15 minutes wasted.

[Sir Lancelot]

Finally on the sixth day of my trip I felt ready for a proper meal. I went to Kokomos for an English breakfast of two poached eggs, sausage, beans, hash brown, grilled tomatoes and two pieces of toast. I also had a mango juice and two cups of tea, all for 575 pesos.

I got chatting to a fascinating American guy who is visiting Philippines on a reunion trip with six military buddies who served here 50 years ago. He told me that soldiers always enjoyed being posted in Philippines and back then it only cost 10 pesos to fuck a girl! He reminisced that there was 'none of this painted face nonsense' and the girls would take you to their own rooms. There was a curfew in place so if your short-time went on too late, you'd be stuck in her room all night.

My afternoon was spent relaxing in my room, distracted by pings from Tinder and Whatsapp. I matched with a pretty 20 year old who was adopting a series of sexy poses on her profile and we started exchanging messages. I was under the impression that I might have to tread carefully to ascertain if she was a freelancer or not but I was mistaken:

'Hello babe'.

'Hi. Would you like to meet?

'Yes. Fuck me now'.

Literally within two messages and her cards were on the table! Another pretty girl agreed to meet but then insisted I send her money in advance on Paypal. I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to fall for such an obvious scam but obviously they do.

It was Valentines night, so Macca and I decided to start our bar crawl at XS, supposedly the number one bar in Angeles at the moment. It's an amphitheatre style bar with tiers of seats facing a round stage (it was called Forbidden City last time I visited and had a golden Buddha behind the girls). 20 girls wearing sexy black dresses were standing on stage and the standard was excellent, with at least four I'd invite down for a drink in the blink of an eye. It's always worth waiting for the second dance shift and the percentage of hotties was even higher when the next batch of girls arrived on stage.

My favourite was a pretty girl with blond curly hair who kept smiling down to me. She was the only girl making an effort to dance and I managed to get her to do my trademark towel dance on stage, much to her amusement. I love it when girls have a silly sense of humour so I invited her to join me for a drink. Her face lit up but at that exact moment she was hit by the dreaded green dot from a laser-pen, summoning her to the side of a stern-faced Korean instead. Not to worry, it was far too early to barfine and I had registered my interest without having to buy a ladydrink.

Another much-vaunted bar is Lollipop. We got stools right next to the stage, within touching distance of the girls dancing. When sat this close, it's hard not to be hypnotised by their jiggling bums. There were six girls dancing and the standard was underwhelming apart from a very pretty girl who stood arms folded, looking sad. I couldn't resist inviting her down for a drink and she soon cheered up, revealing a dazzling smile.

For the purpose of this diary I'll call her Luna. She was 22, had a fabulous slender body and a mesmeric face. I asked about her barfine and she told me it was 4000 pesos for long-time. I was tempted but it was still early, so I told her I'd either return later or on another night.

I wanted to show Macca Genesis, as it was my favourite bar the night before. For some reason they didn't have the model catwalk shows or spotlight dancers tonight, instead there were two dance shifts of 25 girls each. The talent was a mixed bag but I saw several pretty young ones, including a dark-skinned girl with long blond frizzy hair.

The choice of music can be baffling at these bars. An Arabic song by a man who looked like Yasser Arafat droned on for over 10 minutes. Good luck dancing sexily to that, ladies!

In Viking I saw a contender for Arsehole of the Year.

We've all seen tourists, usually Koreans, doing the 20 baht rain showers in gogo bars. I personally think it's a demeaning spectacle, some hero thinking he's starring in his own hip-hop video as girls scramble at his feet for the money he's just thrown.

Perched on stools right next to the stage were two young Korean men, with not one, not two, but three huge wads (at least an inch thick) of 20 peso notes piled up in front of them. The girls understandably were screaming excitedly and lavishing them with the attention they craved but nothing happened. When the girl's interest died down, the Korean men would make a big spectacle of counting the wads of cash in front of their face, and of course the girls would get excited again, thinking they were about to throw the notes in the air. But they didn't.

I was at the bar for 45 minutes as the two men flashed their cash and taunted the girls. Eventually they stood up to leave and made a big performance of standing next to the stage.

And threw just 100 pesos!

Five 20 peso notes fluttered apologetically to the floor and only two girls could be bothered picking them up. The rest of the girls, along with the rest of the customers, thought what a pair of disrespectful arseholes.

The time had come to barfine a girl. The standout had been Luna at Lollipop but when I walked in I couldn't see her. 'There she is!' said Macca, pointing to a girl with her back to me at the side of the stage.

I walked over and she smiled, looking as fabulous as I remembered. But it was only after I'd asked if she'd like me to pay her barfine and she told me she doesn't work here that I realised it was the wrong girl, albeit strikingly similar. She and her friend were on a bar-crawl and normally work in Centauro. In normal walks of life a case of mistaken identity like this would be embarrassing but in Angeles it ended well as she gave me her Whatsapp number.

On the corner near Lollipop is another bar popular with expats, Masquerade. It is a very narrow bar with a tiny stage and it was packed inside. Five average older girls danced but there were two very beautiful girls on the sidelines, clinking drinks with customers. One of them, sat with a man probably three times her age and four times her weight, was Macca's dream girl.

We walked in to Monsoon to see the bar busy but the stage empty, so we turned around and left.

Would there be a girl to celebrate in Champagne?

The answer was a resounding yes. It's very rare I enter a bar and immediately lock eyes on a girl I know I want. She was a fresh-faced girl with a lovely smile, so I offered her a drink straight away. Her name was Jennifer, she was 19 and she was a pleasure to talk to.

She asked me if I'd had a Valentines kiss yet and I said I hadn't. Then at 11:59:59 she planted a big kiss on my lips. Her barfine was 4000 for longtime.

Champagne is another cosy expat venue, which tends to mean more atmosphere and better music. They have 'no smoking' signs too which deters chain-smoking Koreans. Generally the girls are older but our trips to Lollipop, Masquerade and Champagne illustrated that there are always gems to be found.

And Jennifer was definitely a gem. Firstly she insisted we shower together, always a good hors doeuvre before the main course. She lathered me with soap and then kissed me passionately. 'Happy Valentines day' she said with a smile. As she rinsed the suds off she remarked that I was so white she'd nickname me Olaf, the snowman from Frozen!

The sex was the stuff of dreams. She didn't mention a condom so I entered her bareback. She was incredibly tight so we fucked slowly as we gently kissed, but sixty seconds later I was fucking her harder as she practically ate my face off, taking a breath to sweetly ask 'do you mind if I scream?

I sat on the chair under the window and she rode me, then I lifted her up and fucked her standing up which she seemed to enjoy if the groans were anything to go by. Back on the bed we went, her on her back, legs in the air, and I pounded her wet pussy hard. I can scarcely remember enjoying a session as much as this.

She then rode me hell for leather before groaning loudly, lifting herself off my dick and cumming over my leg and bedding. She climbed off and laughed breathlessly, then thirty seconds later rolled on to her stomach and invited me to fuck her from behind, as she pushed her bum up at me.

After showering we lay on the bed chatting for a few hours, until about 3. 30 am. She is a language student so spoke very good English, was bright, funny, inquisitive and smart. I told her the story about the two young Korean men flaunting their cash in Viking but only throwing 100 baht and she told me she wasn't surprised.

'Old Korean men generous, young Koreans just pretend'.

We fell asleep, legs intertwined, and once again I had that familiar feeling, marvelling at how lucky I am to be able to meet gorgeous 19 year olds like Jennifer, who delivered some of the best sex I've ever had.

[WestCoast1]

We fell asleep, legs intertwined, and once again I had that familiar feeling, marvelling at how lucky I am to be able to meet gorgeous 19 year olds like Jennifer, who delivered some of the best sex I've ever had.Excellent, descriptive reports. Newbs take note.

Some AC pics in honor of Sir Lance. The things I get myself into.

[WestCoast1]

OMG what the phuck is happening to this place? Last May was getting some higher quotes but nothing like this. SNIP

One SG went all the way down to $67 exactly for 30 minutes and another would only service an hour minimum. I got top service in MTY MPs for $70 last Nov.

I guess supply and demand due to colder weather but still saw many out working and not too many guys.This quote is from the Mexico-Tijuana / Street Walkers thread yesterday. Changing to Philippine pesos, his $67 quote is p3700. That's for 30 minutes in a hotel (which you pay for ST), with condom, and 1 pop. From street girls.


It was fun meeting TS and A A A first time in HK Sunday night. These guys are fun and serious about getting to know the senoritas. They went to Chicago to check out the talents. TS got a BB session for $150. Looked like Ass was in love with his girl, introduced her to us like his real GF hehe. He stayed with her a couple hours so he was serious, said she squirted all over him and wetted the floor. Must have been a very hot session.

The wingman asked a new girl, not so pretty, short and pudgy with small boobs and large hip, looking kind of cute. She said $200 firm. Obiwan wanted to check her rate again to make sure; she again said $200. She was wandering the club all night, not booking any session with guys and looked distressed. He asked another girl, got another $200 firm. Damn. We are losing the war against the putas cartel.This quote is from Tijuana's Hong Kong bar thread yesterday. $150 is Phils p8300, and $200 is Phils p11 k. For 1 hour, covered, in a ST place you pay for.

Regarding AC gogo price increases: Is p4000 too much to pay for an AC gogo girl for ST (several hours in your hotel)? Is p5000 too much for LT? Lance got his dream-sex girl for p4000 LT. Don't know what you got until its gone.

[NapaSlapper]

Very unusual for Koreans to have wads of making it rain money and only throw a few notes.

Last Monday night was out with young Korean clients, an hour in each bar and the bar bills were always over 10,000 pesos, no barfines just drinks, one guy tipped each girl sitting with us 500 pesos each at the end of each bar visit.

Making it rain money was normally 2000 pesos a throw, and there were many throws, girls were going crazy for the 3 young Koreans with me.

Did they barfine, yes they did, 9 girls for 3 guys, all girls from xs bar, 5,000 pesos each, took the girls clubbing and then back to abc hotel for an after party.

Its very easy to see why the better looking younger girls only have eyes for the Koreans.

[DandyMan51]

Very unusual for Koreans to have wads of making it rain money and only throw a few notes.

Last Monday night was out with young Korean clients, an hour in each bar and the bar bills were always over 10,000 pesos, no barfines just drinks, one guy tipped each girl sitting with us 500 pesos each at the end of each bar visit.

Making it rain money was normally 2000 pesos a throw, and there were many throws, girls were going crazy for the 3 young Koreans with me.I don't mind this behavior too much. It keeps the bars in business and the supply of attractive girls (at least by Korean standards) going. Out of curiosity, was it these clients' first visit to AC?


Did they barfine, yes they did, 9 girls for 3 guys, all girls from xs bar, 5,000 pesos each, took the girls clubbing and then back to abc hotel for an after party.I have seen Koreans take out multiple girls per guy multiple times and have always been curious about it. Are they actually having a crazy number of threesomes / foursomes? Or do they end up just sending most of the girls home and only bang one each.


Its very easy to see why the better looking younger girls only have eyes for the Koreans. I was going to comment on this but edited my post after I saw AceKicker recently replied with something very similar to what I was going to say. Though I would like to add that I have been to Avalon and Q bar and have gotten the same feedback as AceKicker from the girls and mama-sans there. In general, the girls don't really like Koreans but will take a Korean barfine over a westerner barfine if she expects both will be negative experiences. The trick, especially in the Korean bars, is to convince the girl she will actually have a good time with you.

Honestly, the longer I am here, the more comparisons I can see to Medellin where instead of Korean tourists "ruining everything" they have American tourists "ruining everything".

1. Koreans come to AC unable to speak English / Taglog. Americans go to Colombia unable to speak Spanish.

2. Koreans throw around cash and don't negotiate in AC. Americans do the same in Medellin.

3. Girls in Colombia always complain about how boring it is to be with Americans (Full disclosure: I am American but able to speak Spanish) and girls in the Philippines complaining about how they don't like being with Koreans.

4. In both places, everyone is complaining about rising prices and "weekend millionaires".

5. Yet in both, as documented in these forums, those who know how to treat the girls are having the time of their lives while others swear to never come back due to poor service, girls, experiences etc.

Guess it makes sense given the Spanish cultural heritage of both countries.

[Goferring]

Did they barfine, yes they did, 9 girls for 3 guys, all girls from xs bar, 5,000 pesos each, took the girls clubbing and then back to abc hotel for an after party.

Its very easy to see why the better looking younger girls only have eyes for the Koreans.I don't know why guys would be surprised or take exception to this. White guys were doing exactly the same thing when girls were 1500 ea. A few guys and a dozen girls doing a barcrawl and then party on was very common.

Now, at $100 a pop, most white guys pause at taking multiple girls a night. However, for those that don't consider the cost, multiple girls for a night out is hardly surprising.

Cheers. G.

[DandyMan51]

I don't know why guys would be surprised or take exception to this. White guys were doing exactly the same thing when girls were 1500 ea. A few guys and a dozen girls doing a barcrawl and then party on was very common.

Now, at $100 a pop, most white guys pause at taking multiple girls a night. However, for those that don't consider the cost, multiple girls for a night out is hardly surprising.

Cheers. G.Perhaps it is just my personality or outlook on mongering. When I am looking to barfine a girl, especially in the Philippines, I am trying to identify how enjoyable / passionate the sex will be between us. I am trying to build a connection to make my experience as pleasurable as possible. Even if I take the girl out to another bar or club it is with that same purpose. With multiple girls I feel like it is much more difficult to do this since your attention is divided.

[NapaSlapper]

I don't know why guys would be surprised or take exception to this. White guys were doing exactly the same thing when girls were 1500 ea. A few guys and a dozen girls doing a barcrawl and then party on was very common.

Now, at $100 a pop, most white guys pause at taking multiple girls a night. However, for those that don't consider the cost, multiple girls for a night out is hardly surprising.

Cheers. G.White guys mainly take exception to this because they have now been out gunned by the much younger, high spending koreans who are the top dogs when it comes to quality girls.

I see this on every barhop I have in angeles, go barhop with koreans and the girl attention is unreal, go to the same bars with a group of westerners and those same girls don't pay any attention at all, it is what it is.

On a side note, for those that claim but my girl told me she does not like koreans then my advice would be don't beleive a word that comes out of a pros mouth especially a pinay pro, most of it is BS, girls tell punters what they want to hear, its called making money, its after all what they do for a living, dreams of my girl likes me and has great sex with me is fantasy at best.

[NapaSlapper]

Perhaps it is just my personality or outlook on mongering. When I am looking to barfine a girl, especially in the Philippines, I am trying to identify how enjoyable / passionate the sex will be between us. I am trying to build a connection to make my experience as pleasurable as possible. Even if I take the girl out to another bar or club it is with that same purpose. With multiple girls I feel like it is much more difficult to do this since your attention is divided.I think you will find that it is impossible to know in advance what experience one will have back at the room.

Girls can act all willing to perform or to claim they will stay long time in the bar only to act like frozen princesses back at the room, or have her clothes back on after the 1st session.

You pay your money and take your chance comes to mind.

[MrHappyKat]

Regarding AC gogo price increases: Is p4000 too much to pay for an AC gogo girl for ST (several hours in your hotel)? Is p5000 too much for LT? Lance got his dream-sex girl for p4000 LT. Don't know what you got until its gone.Well I can get to Tijuana in less than 4 hours for the price of two tanks of gas (round trip). Getting to Angeles will cost me over $4 k (only fly Intl Business Class) and I expect to CIP about 12 Pinays while I am there. That will make the per-session costs closer to $400 not including hotel and food for my dream-sex girls.

Is THAT worth it? Damn fucking yes it is! .

BTW: Getting BB in Tijuana is extremely rare. Especially for the Weekend-Millionaires that drive down from San Diego or LOS Angeles (like me) and won't be back for several months, if ever.

[MoonShot]

I don't mind this behavior too much. It keeps the bars in business and the supply of attractive girls (at least by Korean standards) going. Out of curiosity, was it these clients' first visit to AC?

I have seen Koreans take out multiple girls per guy multiple times and have always been curious about it. Are they actually having a crazy number of threesomes / foursomes? Or do they end up just sending most of the girls home and only bang one each.

I was going to comment on this but edited my post after I saw AceKicker recently replied with something very similar to what I was going to say. Though I would like to add that I have been to Avalon and Q bar and have gotten the same feedback as AceKicker from the girls and mama-sans there. In general, the girls don't really like Koreans but will take a Korean barfine over a westerner barfine if she expects both will be negative experiences. The trick, especially in the Korean bars, is to convince the girl she will actually have a good time with you.

Honestly, the longer I am here, the more comparisons I can see to Medellin where instead of Korean tourists "ruining everything" they have American tourists "ruining everything".

1. Koreans come to AC unable to speak English / Taglog. Americans go to Colombia unable to speak Spanish.

2. Koreans throw around cash and don't negotiate in AC. Americans do the same in Medellin.

3. Girls in Colombia always complain about how boring it is to be with Americans (Full disclosure: I am American but able to speak Spanish) and girls in the Philippines complaining about how they don't like being with Koreans.

4. In both places, everyone is complaining about rising prices and "weekend millionaires".

5. Yet in both, as documented in these forums, those who know how to treat the girls are having the time of their lives while others swear to never come back due to poor service, girls, experiences etc.

Guess it makes sense given the Spanish cultural heritage of both countries.This is dead-on. This talk about Koreans throwing money around misses a big point, that the PI is very close to S Korea, only a 4 hour flight. When the flight is short and cheap, and you can travel to the PI for a long weekend or a short week, then you are more likely to spend more money. It is the same as the short flight from the East Coast of America to Colombia, only 3 to 5 hours flight time. You do hear the same thing about Americans throwing money around in Colombia and it is because of the same reason. It's a short cheap flight and you don't mind spending more money because you are only there for a short time.

As for the girls not liking Koreans, who is telling you this? The bar girl that you picked up and who is spending time with you? We always say you can't trust what these girls say to you and yet we should believe what they tell us about the Koreans? What are the same girls telling the Koreans about Americans? That they love the Americans? I don't think so.

[FuriousGeorge]

Is THAT worth it? Damn fucking yes it is! .


Completely agree. There's also value in the 'I'm on a vacation' vibe.

I'm in LA also. The thought of driving to TJ to take a girl up from the bar to a dirty room and have condom sex with her gives me absolutely zero boners.

[Sir Lancelot]

dreams of my girl likes me and has great sex with me is fantasy at best.For you obviously.

[Sir Lancelot]

Jennifer and I had sex again late morning. As I was fucking her in mish I asked her to choose any position and she lifted her feet and placed them on my chest, her knees together so her pussy was tight. As I was stepping up the pace, on the home straight so to speak, she told me she likes handcuffs. 'Hold on a second I joked, 'I just go down to see the security guard. She rode me to a climax and I shot my load in her juicy pussy.

I took her for breakfast at Kokomos, which was fun because she kept recognising girls walking past. She surprised me by ordering spaghetti carbanara, which she ate half of and had the second half boxed up for her dinner.

As I hugged her goodbye I reflected it had been one of the best long-times I've ever had.

After carrying out a few chores during the afternoon I had a sudden urge to meet up with someone on Tinder.

I've had a few bites so far and one of them seemed promising, a 20 year old blond adopting a series of sexy poses in her pics. I innocently messaged 'what are you doing?' to her on Whatsapp and 30 minutes later she was knocking on my hotel room door. When I answered she had a passable resemblance to her Tinder pics, albeit a few years older, but her hair was no longer blond. She was still pretty and still had the same big blowjob lips though, so I gestured her inside.

The sex was underwhelming. She kissed with her mouth closed, which I was pleased about as she had bad breath. We ticked off a few positions and finished giving each other 69. She left 15 minutes later with 1500 in her purse we'd agreed.

Macca also had an online date tonight, that he'd lined up via DateinAsia, so I was flying solo.

I made the rookie mistake of putting my head down for a short late afternoon nap, which ended up lasting a few hours. By the time I headed out in to the warm night air it was 8 pm.

I started at Avalon which has a good layout and felt polished inside. Reports on the forum suggested this bar has nice girls so I was surprised that there were 11 fairly average girls on stage wearing black bikinis. But the second shift delivered. There were 12 girls wearing red plaid miniskirts that were several sizes too small for them. They included two or three honeys, my favourite of which had a pale-skinned Japanese look about her.

One of my favourite things about this bar is the music is hip-hop, which the girls love to dance to. As a result, there was a fun atmosphere.

I was counting on Club 123 to deliver me some pretty girls and it didn't disappoint. It's a long-thin bar with all of the girls just sitting or standing, waiting to be called down by a customer. There were probably 25 girls on stage, my favourite of which was tall and skinny but she seemed more interesting in chomping crisps. A voluptuous Chinese looking girl, probably in her 30's, was sat astride an American with blond spiky hair.

Although it was only 9. 30 pm I decided to go to Lollipop to see if I could barfine Luna. She was on stage and spotted me immediately, waving and giving me a big grin. I bought her a drink and paid her 4000 barfine for longtime.

I'd successfully negotiated a Luna landing.

When I'd visited this bar previously, it had been 8 pm and the place didn't have the exciting anything-goes atmosphere I've read about online. But as the clock ticks to 10 there are more girls and they're less inhibited due to alcohol consumption. A few are quite nice too. One of them looked like Kung, a girl I hope to fuck in Pattaya in a few weeks time. The music is great, churning out classic like Living on a Prayer, Sweet Child of Mine and Radio Gaga. A must-visit.

I decided to take Luna on a bar-crawl. I let her choose and she took me to Centauro, where things got quite raunchy. She asked me to buy her friend a ladydrink and the two of them danced and grinded sexily to the 70's and 80's disco classics for the next hour by way of thanks. As the gogo girl wiggled her arse sexily at Luna, Luna took my hand and made me slap it.

We had a round of tequila shots. Luna pulled her top down and squeezed lime on her right nipple, then added a pinch of salt, before instructing me to down my shot and suck it. Yes ma'am.

There are two nightclubs near the Walking Street sign. Hammer upstairs, which according to Luna is a Korean club, and Mega downstairs. We went to the latter and it's very impressive. It's free to enter and the layout, lighting and music system is great, the staff very attentive too. Unfortunately though, the key component at any club is the music and it wasn't up-tempo enough to cajole anyone to dance. Which is a shame because Luna had promised me a sexy dance on the podium if the right song came on. It was only 11 so I'm sure things improve as the night goes on.

Luna insisted we go back to Lollipop and I swear, I had an erection for the hour we were there, as she danced on my lap. When Ed Sheeran's Dancing in the Dark started playing she suddenly began kissing me passionately, pulling me to lie flat on top of her.

I couldn't wait to get her in to my room but things nosedived. She suddenly turned shy and reserved, and revealed why she had been looking so sad on the night I first met her. A customer from Singapore had barfined her five nights in a row and promised her the earth. She told me she was falling in love with him, then he ghosted her. As she told me her eyes welled up and tears dropped down her cheek. I was her first customer since.

We talked for about an hour before she asked if she could sleep. I have a golden rule that I'll never force a bargirl to do anything she doesn't want to do, and clearly her heart wasn't in it. I decided to abort my Luna mission. Hopefully she'd feel better in the morning.

[NapaSlapper]

For you obviously.I think you will find that most sensible guys realise sex with prostitutes is mainly make beleive affection.

Funny how the pros of angeles give free pussy to the pinoy husbands, boyfriends, lovers, the handsome security guard, toto the trike driver etc, not only do they give free pussy but mostly give them their hard earned money too.

For those that beleive in fairy tales and think that prostitutes actually like having sex with their punters then see how much pussy one gets if he was not paying by the hour or see how much money a pro is willing to give you to fuck her, please let us know how you get on.

[DzikaBomba]

I don't mind this behavior too much. It keeps the bars in business and the supply of attractive girls (at least by Korean standards) going. Out of curiosity, was it these clients' first visit to AC?

I have seen Koreans take out multiple girls per guy multiple times and have always been curious about it. Are they actually having a crazy number of threesomes / foursomes? Or do they end up just sending most of the girls home and only bang one each.

I was going to comment on this but edited my post after I saw AceKicker recently replied with something very similar to what I was going to say. Though I would like to add that I have been to Avalon and Q bar and have gotten the same feedback as AceKicker from the girls and mama-sans there. In general, the girls don't really like Koreans but will take a Korean barfine over a westerner barfine if she expects both will be negative experiences. The trick, especially in the Korean bars, is to convince the girl she will actually have a good time with you.

Honestly, the longer I am here, the more comparisons I can see to Medellin where instead of Korean tourists "ruining everything" they have American tourists "ruining everything".

1. Koreans come to AC unable to speak English / Taglog. Americans go to Colombia unable to speak Spanish.

2. Koreans throw around cash and don't negotiate in AC. Americans do the same in Medellin.

3. Girls in Colombia always complain about how boring it is to be with Americans (Full disclosure: I am American but able to speak Spanish) and girls in the Philippines complaining about how they don't like being with Koreans.

4. In both places, everyone is complaining about rising prices and "weekend millionaires".

5. Yet in both, as documented in these forums, those who know how to treat the girls are having the time of their lives while others swear to never come back due to poor service, girls, experiences etc.

Guess it makes sense given the Spanish cultural heritage of both countries.Yes, that's absolutely true! Nice that also other people are noticIng that.

Americans are the koreans in south America. And complainig about koreans in AC, which is at least weird.

This is not only true for Medellin, you can also add e. G. DomRep Sosua and other places in south america / carribean where American Tourists are playing Koreans.

In Sosua I even saw how they were doing Rain Showers with their "bucks" better than any korean in AC. Pathetic.

Or paying 150 $ ST and they are not seeing anything unusual to that.

[Sir Lancelot]

I think you will find that most sensible guys realise sex with prostitutes is mainly make beleive affection.Sex with prostitutes is transactional, we all know that. It doesn't mean both parties can't enjoy it, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Any experienced monger knows when a girl likes spending time with them and there are physical giveways too whether they enjoy sex. I feel sad that your experiences don't chime with the majority here on the forum. You seem such a cheerful guy, I find it very difficult to believe girls don't warm to you.

[Dg8787]

For those who love dining at the why, the barber on the ground floor of ABC Hotel does a nice close shave.

[DandyMan51]

As for the girls not liking Koreans, who is telling you this? The bar girl that you picked up and who is spending time with you? We always say you can't trust what these girls say to you and yet we should believe what they tell us about the Koreans? What are the same girls telling the Koreans about Americans? That they love the Americans? I don't think so.I totally get the cynicism on the comment. I have been around the block a couple of times globally and know exactly what you are talking about. I am of Indian heritage and anytime a girl tells me she likes Indian mongers I basically assume everything she has told me that night is a lie. No one likes Indian mongers. I'm an Indian monger and even I hate Indian mongers. The same with the big dick conversation. I know my dick and it is absolutely average, maybe a little bit below average. There is no way this is one of the bigger dicks you have fucked. However when a girl tells me about her kids or her husband / boyfriend or takes me with her to meet her non-pro friends / family or spends some time with me during the day for free, I tend to have a bit more faith in what they are saying. These are more of the girls whose feedback I actually listen to. I also often buy drinks for mama-sans and bar managers and they sometimes do the same for me. I have heard the same feedback from them. That isn't to say that they particularly like Americans or Europeans either. I have never heard any of the girls I am referring to tell me anything of the sort. Instead most will honestly tell me they prefer Filipinos, often times specifically from their home province.

The members of the forum can make their own judgements based on their experiences but I sincerely believe that when it comes to getting attractive, young girls in the Philippines, especially bargirls, a man of non-Korean heritage of decent appearance, character, and charm could easily take a girl home with a little bit of effort and has no disadvantage to a man of Korean heritage.

Happy Mongering to all!

[Goferring]

For those that beleive in fairy tales and think that prostitutes actually like having sex with their punters then see how much pussy one gets if he was not paying by the hour or see how much money a pro is willing to give you to fuck her, please let us know how you get on.Sorry, to say that hookers never give out freebies is as inaccurate as saying that they love and worship every monger they go with.

I'm no oil painting but I've certainly received freebies off hookers, two for the price of one, ST turn into overnight etc.

Sure the frequency has dropped off as I get older and uglier but to say girls NEVER enjoy a session or give out extras is simply not true.

Cheers. G.

[Goferring]

I think you will find that most sensible guys realise sex with prostitutes is mainly make beleive affection..


Sex with prostitutes is transactional, we all know that. It doesn't mean both parties can't enjoy it, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Any experienced monger knows when a girl likes spending time with them and there are physical giveways too whether they enjoy sex..I'd say it slightly different as if both parties are enjoying themselves, real or make-believe, it makes a much better transaction for me. Also the reverse: I've never enjoyed a girl mechanically going through a tick list of activities before leaving.

[MoonShot]

Yes, that's absolutely true! Nice that also other people are noticIng that.

Americans are the koreans in south America. And complainig about koreans in AC, which is at least weird.

This is not only true for Medellin, you can also add e. G. DomRep Sosua and other places in south america / carribean where American Tourists are playing Koreans.

In Sosua I even saw how they were doing Rain Showers with their "bucks" better than any korean in AC. Pathetic.

Or paying 150 $ ST and they are not seeing anything unusual to that.In Jaco, Costa Rica, the Colombian girls are asking $150 US for short term and getting it from the Americans. It is just the way it is now. This is explained by the fact that Costa Rica is only a 3 hour flight from Florida. For all those criticizing the Koreans in the PI, as noted, Americans are the Koreans in South America. But Koreans aren't there to complain about them. Ha ha ha.

[Sir Lancelot]

Luna looked fabulous as she slept. Some girls exude natural beauty without makeup. I spent most of the morning assuming she would leave without us having sex due to the emotional turmoil she's going through but thankfully I was wrong. After midday we began kissing and minutes later we were fucking.

I took her for breakfast at Kokomos (she ordered sisig) and then met Macca at Paradise sports bar at the bottom of Walking Street for a few games of pool. I lost 2-1 which was a major achievement given my wonky cue. And no, I'm not a bad loser.

There was an adjoining bar called Bunny which had some nice girls outside, even at this time of day, and a massage place next door called Penguin. Macca told me he'd visited it and they have a fishbowl setup. The price for a one hour massage is 600 and I presume extras could be offered at the girl's discretion.

As we left Paradise the music suddenly stopped and the TV screens went black. It was a power cut. I organised my first laundry drop of the trip at a small place on Vian Street near my hotel.

I assumed the power cut wouldn't last long but I was wrong, it lasted until about 10 pm, meaning my room was like a sauna without air-con. I wondered how it would affect Fields Avenue but it was business as usual, with neon lights flashing and music blaring.

We started later than usual, meeting at Kokomos at 9 pm. A couple of young freelancers caught Macca's eye on the street below, although when he called them over they looked suspiciously young.

I wanted to say Hello, to Jennifer at Champagne, the gorgeous girl I barfined a couple of nights ago, but was told by the mamasan she has gone back to Olongapo for a few days. Only four girls were dancing when we entered but by the time we left there were ten, including an attractive one with a cheeky face.

Next came a contender for best bar on Fields Avenue, Dragon. You have to walk up the steep steps to the bar that used to be called Dragon's Den (Club Asia is the ground level bar below that is currently closed but seeking new management).

So what's great about Dragon? Well, firstly the girls. There were 20 on stage when we arrived and the talent was impressive. I counted five that were strong contenders for a barfine. There are a lot of pretty faces and slender figures for sure. Then they had a catwalk style show in which another bevy of beauties paraded around the stage and then the bar area, to give customers an up-close view of the girls. This bar average 60 barfines a day and it's easy to see why.

The barfine is slightly perplexing. It's 4000 for short-time or 4500 for long-time. During the day it's 3500. The girls wear numbered badges and if the badge is red it means the girl is on her period. I've never seen this before and it points towards good customer service. How many of us have bought a drink for a pretty girl only to have the rug pulled from under our feet when she tells us she's on her mens? If the girl is wearing a yellow badge, she's a 'cherry girl'. Again, a great idea, as it saves customers wasting time on girls they can't fuck. Incidentally, her virginity can be bought for 200,000 pesos. Bargain.

All in all, great girls and very well managed.

I did my best James Bond impression as we went in to Skyfall next. It's not a great layout inside. It's a long, narrow stage with thick pillars in front of it, obstructing the view of some of the dancers. The first batch of girls had ten fairly average lookers, although a few had that dark-skinned, flat-nosed Isaan look my friend Owen is a fan of. The next dance shift had six topless girls, with black tape over their tits, slow-dancing and spinning around the poles.

One of them had a fantastic body and an unusual, distinctive face. Macca caught me looking and said 'I refuse to allow you to go with her' but the more I watched her, the more I liked her. When you go with your same type over and over, sometimes it's good to break things up and pick a girl who is completely different.

We wanted to go to Hi Quality next and I decided to do one of my favourite jokes. I went up to one of the Hello Girls and said 'excuse me, can you tell me are there any good bars around here you could recommend?' Normally the girl ushers you inside quickly but I had to admire the honesty of this girl when she said Avalon. We ignored her advice and popped our heads in to Hi Quality, where there wasn't a single girl dancing. Back out we went.

Club Lucifer only had two girls dancing. Although some bars seem to be thriving post-covid, others need an influx of girls.

The time was 11.30 pm and we decided to try something a bit different. We got a drink at the coffee shop immediately next to the Walking Street sign, a great place to see freelancers scouting around. It's also immediately next door to two clubs, Hammer (upstairs) and Mega (downstairs) and we observed a lot of pretty girls entering both. If you see one you like, you just need to make eye contact.

Macca spotted a pretty freelancer he'd chatted to online who had subsequently ghosted him. She seemed shy and apologetic. Strangely she had a pimp with her, who did all of the taking. Her starting prices were 3000 short-time and 5000 long-time (on par with the girls from the top tier gogo bars) but I'm sure she could be negotiated down substantially.

To prove the point, I spotted two girls heading in to Mega and one of them was a dazzler. She was tall and skinny with a beautiful face and westernised features. She caught me looking and doubled back. She was even prettier up close. Her name was Grace and she was 19.

When I asked how much, she replied 'up to you'. This is where I was grateful I'd researched freelance prices on the forum. People seem to suggest 1000-1500 is the price for freelancers so I figured a hottie like her would command the higher figure. '1500 short-time, 2500 long-time' I countered. She agreed immediately.

There was a twist.

I walked hand-in-hand with her back to my hotel and it was only when I was about to turn in to Wild Orchid's reception that I noticed her less pretty friend was walking behind us.

'Why your friend follow? ' I asked.

'She need toilet' said Grace.

When we got to my room her friend went to the bathroom and started having a shower! I hadn't signed up for this! I told Grace I only wanted her, not her friend, but then the water stopped running and her friend walked in to the bedroom, with a big pair of natural tits. I found my resolve weakening.

'I go shower' said Grace and minutes later her 4/10 friend was sucking me off, as I fondled her majestic tits. Her blowjob skills were exceptional, spitting and deepthroating, slow and then fast. She knelt on to all fours and demanded I fuck her in front of the mirror, so I duly obliged, slapping in to her tattooed arse-cheeks as we locked eyes in the mirror.

Part of me felt angry at myself for being so easily won over by a pair of tits but a larger part of me was having too much fun to care.

Grace finished her shower and lay next to us on the bed, so I asked the big-boobed girl to suck me and spit on my dick to get me lubricated before I slid in to Grace. Her pussy was extremely tight and she seemed to find it painful. It was weird. I was having a threesome with one girl who acted like a virgin and another who acted like a pornstar.

After gently fucking Grace for a couple of minutes I decided I wanted to switch girls. I lay on my back and invited the big-boobed girl to ride me as I buried my face in to her prize assets. I fucked her doggy again (her favourite position) but her blowjob had been exceptional so I got her to suck me to a climax. She pulled her head away when she heard me coming and smiled as I shot my load up my chest. Then she rubbed my cum on to my dick and continued giving me a handjob, focusing on the helmet which was an incredibly intense, pleasurable sensation. This girl has got skills.

I sent the big-boobed girl on her way with a well deserved 1500 pesos and then cuddled up to Grace, who I'd decided to keep for long-time.

Something amusing happened in the night.

We were cuddled up to each other as she was on her phone. 'Nipples' she suddenly demanded. She had perfect small pointy breasts with big nipples, standing to attention, so I did as I was told and sucked them. Suddenly I heard laughing. I looked up and saw that Grace had video-called her female friend and was showing me at work! The person on the call demanded Grace show her my cock. So Grace proceeded to give me a nice handjob as her friend played with herself on the other side of the screen.

Fair to say it had been a strange night.

[NapaSlapper]

Sex with prostitutes is transactional, we all know that. It doesn't mean both parties can't enjoy it, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Any experienced monger knows when a girl likes spending time with them and there are physical giveways too whether they enjoy sex. I feel sad that your experiences don't chime with the majority here on the forum. You seem such a cheerful guy, I find it very difficult to believe girls don't warm to you.Not sure what part of you or me have no idea whether our paid help is actually enjoying herself or not you do not understand.

Sure a girl can act fairly interested, sure a girl can tell one what a big dick he has, what a great lover he is and pretend to climax but you me or anyone else does not know the girls inner feelings or whether she enjoyed herself or was just play acting to receive her payment.

Maybe the difference between us is that you are willing to beleive in fairy tales and I'm a little bit more of a realist.

[WestCoast1]

For those that beleive in fairy tales and think that prostitutes actually like having sex with their punters then see how much pussy one gets if he was not paying by the hour or see how much money a pro is willing to give you to fuck her, please let us know how you get on.Generally agree, but that's not a hard / fast rule. There are exceptions.


Sex with prostitutes is transactional, we all know that. It doesn't mean both parties can't enjoy it, the two aren't mutually exclusive.Yap, concur.


Sorry, to say that hookers never give out freebies is as inaccurate as saying that they love and worship every monger they go with.

I'm no oil painting but I've certainly received freebies off hookers, two for the price of one, ST turn into overnight etc.Yap, concur. Have partied with hookers in their off-time from work, things can get wild.


Something amusing happened in the night. SNIP Fair to say it had been a strange night.You mean that in addition to the nawty, its possible to develop a friendship that involves fun with a (booby) hooker? Nah, you're pulling my leg.

[NapaSlapper]

Sorry, to say that hookers never give out freebies is as inaccurate as saying that they love and worship every monger they go with.

I'm no oil painting but I've certainly received freebies off hookers, two for the price of one, ST turn into overnight etc.

Sure the frequency has dropped off as I get older and uglier but to say girls NEVER enjoy a session or give out extras is simply not true.

Cheers. G.Many things were possible in angeles multiple years ago, girls were just different, many girls 20/30 years ago worked bar in the hope of finding a foreign husband to take them to the usa or europe, they were simple girls from small villages far far away.

I think you will find now the girls of angeles are all mostly hard core local girls, they already have the pinoy husband, the pinoy lover and the pinoy kids, they are not looking to be saved by a westerner anymore.

What the angeles better looking girls clearly want in todays world is mostly to bait and switch, promise the world in the bar only to not barfine at all as many have reported, those girls that do barfine want short time 1 pop and out the door ready for the next punters money.

Yes sure its possible to find more desperate older fatter ladies that seldom get barfined or bought a lady drink to stay long time and play the girlfriend role or to give one a bit more time, after all what other choice does she have, its not as if she can go back to the bar and secure another pay day so she plays the waiting game and hopes the punter gives her a big tip or takes her for brekkie or dinner.

The better looking slim bar girls of angeles city who are in extreme demand because there is so few of them are not in the business of cutting their prices, giving freebies, why should they there is a que of young good looking high spending koreans to spend their time with, why settle for one 5,000 peso long time when a popular girl can do several 5,000 peso short times, after all most pros the world over want money, plenty of money.

[AceKicker]

I stayed 3 additional nights in AC from 19 thFeb till 22 thFeb. As before my choice of hotel was ScoreBirds. Sunday 19th was the day of the monthly pool party and the main reason I deiceded to return from Olongapo. Unfortunately the pool party offered absolutely nothing new and truth to be told had pretty lame atmosphere. Since there are only 2 bars they can take girls from to participate there was only 12 models of which I'd say 3 were pretty nice looking ones. Before I used to love swimming during the pool party and have fun with the pool girls but now there were only 3 of them I think so decided to skip swimming part. As usual one girl got someone convinced to buy her the golden bead and won the title with it. My honest opinion is that it's a great tradition to organize that event but it definately should not be done more often what it is now (once a month).

From those 3 days Sunday was still quite busy night and found a lot of lookers from the bars but during Monday and Tuesday things went a lot more quiet. For example none of the lookers from Carusel were around on both of those days. Then again it is a commonly known fact that the girls can usually only have their weekly day off between Monday. Wednesday. This time I wanted to pay more attention to the korean bars since last time I wrote an report was commented about mostly concentrated into western bars. So I went to XS club, BadBoy, Viking, Cosplay atleast and honestly I did not feel I was treated any way different than any other customer there. Girls were friendly and willing to join me but mostly just for ST. One nice looking girl in XS told me she does do LT if feels comfortable with the customer. Unfortunately I had no time / energy starting to build that comfortable status so told her maybe next year. One thing I do have to say about the korean bars which really bothers me and I find repellent is the fact they let people smoke cigarettes indoors. If I enter a small bar and see a person smoking in there I usually turn around and find another place to satisfy my thirst.

In case someone is interested and looking for massage place that offers extras there is one place pretty middle of the walking street not far from Kokomos (opposite side of the street). The girls usually hang around both side of the street wearing white uniforms and they will join you in your room for massage plus all inclusive session if it is what you are looking for. I tried one of these girls on my last afternoon and as the price of the massage was 400 p ended up giving her 2500 p for a nice fuck which was actually the best sex I had during my three week holiday. My original purpose was just to get a massage and a handjob so would feel relaxed to travel but as soon as she saw my dick she started telling how horny she was and that my dick looks so delicious and it's up to me what I want to pay her if she can have it. I told her it's not my original plan but if she wants it so badly she can have it. Her pussy was soaking wet and when she was riding me she told me not to hurry because she wants to enjoy it also. Only regulation was I promised not to cum inside her.

[FuriousGeorge]

There are plenty of freebies to be had if you have the looks and the game. I stayed away from them my last trip because the true civilians, the non working girls, get weird and jealous. Strange since they are living in AC and I assume they know the score but women are women. I was chatting with a good looking 30-something guy in Lollipop. He was from somewhere in Europe and living and working remotely in Dumaguete. He kept yelling at me (in a friendly way) 'Bro why are you here paying for sex? Everything is free in Dumaguete! Just take them out to dinner! Free for guys like us!' I'm like Bruh, I'm not in Dumaguete, I have limited time, I'm here for the party atmosphere and the quick sure things. We had some fun banter but he seemed genuinely confused.

[FeedSubject]

Hey mate, I'm also brown skinned and wanting to go to Philippines around Easter, but I'm not sure what's the best way for a good time that is not overpriced. I'm quite confused with all the information that is also conflicting. I keep on hearing that using apps is the best way and most girls just turn up and stay the night (mostly for not much money), but surely that can't be right for indian people. Whats your view on this?

Also can you suggest any other offbeat (while safe) places besides the popular Manila / AC / Cebu, where I can still get some nice action? Thanks.


I totally get the cynicism on the comment. I have been around the block a couple of times globally and know exactly what you are talking about. I am of Indian heritage and anytime a girl tells me she likes Indian mongers I basically assume everything she has told me that night is a lie. No one likes Indian mongers. I'm an Indian monger and even I hate Indian mongers. The same with the big dick conversation. I know my dick and it is absolutely average, maybe a little bit below average. There is no way this is one of the bigger dicks you have fucked. However when a girl tells me about her kids or her husband / boyfriend or takes me with her to meet her non-pro friends / family or spends some time with me during the day for free, I tend to have a bit more faith in what they are saying. These are more of the girls whose feedback I actually listen to. I also often buy drinks for mama-sans and bar managers and they sometimes do the same for me. I have heard the same feedback from them. That isn't to say that they particularly like Americans or Europeans either. I have never heard any of the girls I am referring to tell me anything of the sort. Instead most will honestly tell me they prefer Filipinos, often times specifically from their home province.

The members of the forum can make their own judgements based on their experiences but I sincerely believe that when it comes to getting attractive, young girls in the Philippines, especially bargirls, a man of non-Korean heritage of decent appearance, character, and charm could easily take a girl home with a little bit of effort and has no disadvantage to a man of Korean heritage.

Happy Mongering to all!

[Sir Lancelot]

When girls stay long-time they certainly like to catch up on sleep. Grace slept until midday and after a quick second round I waved her goodbye with the agreed 2500 in her purse.

I enjoy having lunch at Kokomos. The food is good, the staff friendly and it's a great people-watching spot. Walking Street is lively early afternoon. A lot of the bars are open and there are lots of pretty girls to be seen. With more time on my hands I would have liked to explore the daytime scene.

Macca was basking in the afterglow of a short-time liaison he'd just finished with a cute DateinAsia girl. His good mood quickly disappeared when I soundly beat him in a few games of pool after breakfast.

I was tempted to arrange an afternoon meeting myself on Tinder but time flies by in Angeles and soon it was time for another bar-crawl.

It was Friday night and we decided to explore some of the bars off Walking Street. It was 7. 30 when we entered Brown Sugar. 8 girls were dancing and at the exact moment Macca leaned to me and described them as 'mid-range 6/10's', a couple of beauties walked past wearing red gowns. The barfine here is 4000 and beers were just 70 pesos as it was happy hour.

SS Bar nearby had some enthusiastic young Hello, girls outside. It's a thin bar and six fairly average girls were dancing, although one was definitely my type with a lip-piercing. I love trawling bars like this looking for a gem.

This stretch used to have some fantastic bars like Roadhouse and Angelwitch (it's possible I've got their names wrong), neither of which is open any more. Angeles will take time to bounce back fully after covid.

Based on recommendations from the forum we tried ChocoLate next, set back from the action on Raymond Street. It was 8. 30 pm and we were the only customers. A family were eating dinner in the corner and children played on the floor, it felt like we'd walked in to someone's lounge. Seven girls sprung to their feet when we walked in, a few of whom were reasonably pretty.

I bought a drink for a very sweet looking 21 year old in a pink dress, fresh from the province. Macca's favourite girl turned out to be her cousin. The most confident girl was a curvy girl who danced so provocatively I thought she was ready to be taught my trademark towel dance, which she replicated sexily on stage. This bar is open from 3 pm until 11 pm and the barfine is 3500.

After a brief pitstop for food, we backtracked on to Walking Street, where we entered Club Sky. 20 girls were dancing on the crowded stage and I recognised one of them, the lovely cherry girl I spoke to in Centauro. The bars must have the same management with the girls alternating between the two. I couldn't resist buying her a drink as she's such a sweet girl. Sat next to me were two topless girls, giving a man a birthday he will never forget.

This is a strange bar. There is not one but two Filipino DJs, baseball caps on back to front, who think they're star of the show. They parade around the bar, mics in hand, thinking they're headlining Glastonbury. While they do this the girls sit on the table surrounding the stage, their backs to the customers, checking their phones. They only stood up whenever a new customer walked in.

Some of these bars have got to get a grip. Guys like me and you are there for one reason, the girls.

It was 10.30 when we walked in to Q Bar, which is a contender for the bar with the liveliest atmosphere. There was lots of singing, dancing and screaming. 12 average girls were dancing but I spotted one lovely girl, pale-skinned and cute. I bought her a drink and we danced hand in hand to Bon Jovi's 'It's My Life'. Things were looking good but when I enquired about the barfine she said 'sorry cannot'.

I went for a recce up and down the street looking for freelancers and spotted a cute girl, walking alongside a large older woman.

'You like?' the older woman said.

'Very beautiful. How old is she? ' I replied.

'19. Have ID'.

I would have taken her but she didn't look at me once during my interaction with the mamasan. One cute smile would have sealed the deal.

I went to La Bamba and it was dead inside. Three girls were sat on the stage, chatting amongst themselves. I'm sure a tumbleweed rolled past at one point.

The moment I stepped in to Dollhouse, Madonna's 'Like A Virgin' began playing and ten game older girls did a dance routine. I quite like it how bars try to give all the girls their moment in the spotlight. I spotted a girl dancing in the cage above the stage, who was a very sexy mover. Ten minutes later she was part of the next dance troupe and she was about four feet tall!

Macca was sat in his favourite spot to perv and observe the comings and goings of Walking Street, the coffee shop overlooking the entrance. I joined him for a drink and watched as pretty girls walked past, many heading in to Mega and Hammer.

He spotted one he recognised from DateinAsia due to a distinctive tattoo she had across her chest. She had portrayed herself as a 'good girl' online but the way she was trawling the street with her friends, all with cleavage on show, suggests she could be turned.

I went in to XS where 20 girls stood on stage, looking glamorous in blue sparkly dresses. A few were attractive but there was no personality on show. The girls didn't dance or smile, they just stood zombie-like. It's 4000 to take a girl for short-time from here and 5000 for long-time.

I formulated a plan. It was past 1 am and I wanted to find a girl to fuck for short-time, so I could have a good sleep. Why pay 4000 at XS when you can find pretty freelancers on Walking Street for 1500?

It didn't take me long to find my girl, an 18 year old called Tessa. She wasn't a stunner but my goodness she was cute. She was only 4 foot 9 and giggled every time I looked at her. Her mamasan quoted 2000 but accepted 1500 and five minutes later we were in my room.

She was very shy and giggly in the room but soon relaxed. She was a very good kisser and soon I was slowly entering her pussy bareback. She was so tight I could barely get in, so when eventually after about a minute of careful manoeuvring I was all the way in, I was gentle with her. She squeezed her face as I slowly grinded in to her and made little squeaky groaning noises. After a while I leaned up and tried to fuck her quicker but she said 'slow, slow'. She was clearly very inexperienced so I let her ride me at her own pace to a climax.

You get a lot of great porn-style sex in Angeles, sometimes it's nice to experience something from the other end of the spectrum.

[Goferring]

.. wanting to go to Philippines around Easter....Just a heads up that Holy Week is the worst time to be mongering in PI. All the girls who can afford to ie the prettiest, go home. There will still be girls around, but only those that couldn't muster enough work to have the cash for a ticket.

Enjoy. G.

[Cool]

Many things were possible in angeles multiple years ago, girls were just different, many girls 20/30 years ago worked bar in the hope of finding a foreign husband to take them to the usa or europe, they were simple girls from small villages far far away.

I think you will find now the girls of angeles are all mostly hard core local girls, they already have the pinoy husband, the pinoy lover and the pinoy kids, they are not looking to be saved by a westerner anymore.

What the angeles better looking girls clearly want in todays world is mostly to bait and switch, promise the world in the bar only to not barfine at all as many have reported, those girls that do barfine want short time 1 pop and out the door ready for the next punters money.

Yes sure its possible to find more desperate older fatter ladies that seldom get barfined or bought a lady drink to stay long time and play the girlfriend role or to give one a bit more time, after all what other choice does she have, its not as if she can go back to the bar and secure another pay day so she plays the waiting game and hopes the punter gives her a big tip or takes her for brekkie or dinner.

The better looking slim bar girls of angeles city who are in extreme demand because there is so few of them are not in the business of cutting their prices, giving freebies, why should they there is a que of young good looking high spending koreans to spend their time with, why settle for one 5,000 peso long time when a popular girl can do several 5,000 peso short times, after all most pros the world over want money, plenty of money.Most AC Koreans are not young and good looking. The better looking ones are in Thailand or back home since they can get local women.

[Cool]

I did see young deep pocket Koreans dominating the Cebu scene pre pandemic.

[DandyMan51]

Hey mate, I'm also brown skinned and wanting to go to Philippines around Easter, but I'm not sure what's the best way for a good time that is not overpriced. I'm quite confused with all the information that is also conflicting. I keep on hearing that using apps is the best way and most girls just turn up and stay the night (mostly for not much money), but surely that can't be right for indian people. Whats your view on this?Simply being Indian is not a disadvantage. But acting poorly is. Dress well, have good hygiene, treat the girls with kindness and respect and don't cheap out on everything. No girl in their right mind would rather spend time with an old, ugly, disrespectful white guy over a young, attractive, kind Indian guy though they may take the white guy over an young, cheap, very disrespectful Indian guy. Beyond that it is simply a numbers game. For anyone, if you message or approach a hundred girls, you may get 20 replies / numbers of which 5-6 will actually turn into anything. The exact number varies on the individual but given some effort, anyone can get a handful of girls to sleep with them given they make an honest effort to be a decent guy.


Also can you suggest any other offbeat (while safe) places besides the popular Manila / AC / Cebu, where I can still get some nice action? Thanks.I read your post history. For what you are looking for you have two options.

1. Go to the big cities. If this is your first trip, I recommend limiting yourself to metro Manila as there are more than enough girls to satisfy your tastes in this area. It has the amenities of any big city and the numbers game is greatly in your favor. If you screw up with one girl, there are a hundred more you can try with.

2. Go to the province, more rural areas. Here you have a strong foreigner factor. However, I wouldn't recommend this unless you are a rather seasoned traveler and monger as it presents certain risks and downsides that can end badly if you don't know exactly what you are doing.

With all this said, I would still recommend you do some thinking on exactly what you are after. If you want a girl overnight because you want the best deal (lowest cost per hour), I would recommend you go somewhere else like Cambodia. If you want sex with very attractive girls for a good price, I would recommend Thailand. If you are willing to settle for a bit lower attractiveness but want to spend hours talking and cuddling with the girl between sex then I would recommend the Philippines. This place is ideal for a certain type of person. If you aren't that type of person, your money.

[DandyMan51]

Friday night I went out after midnight due to having to finish my work. Saw a lot of attractive girls taken by Koreans and so I explored a couple of bars. A lot of them had started emptying out. I sat at a couple of places and had a drink in each. I then found myself at Club Sky. I liked the environment there with the girls seeming like they were having more fun and the DJ singing and dancing along. It was a nice change of pace to girls being bored on their phones or bored dancing. The talent wasn't top notch but I felt like it was better than a lot of what I had seen. In one of the last places I was in, I saw a Korean take two or three girls right after walking in. I noticed Louise and asked her to sit with me. We sat and talked for a bit and sang along with the crowd and DJ. I ordered here a lady drink (a cider beer surprisingly) and after about 40 minutes, I decided to take her out. Price was 4000 PHP and was told it was long time. I was in a bit off a mood for dancing so she took us to Mega Dance Center. The place was fun but definitely better if you bring a girl with you. A number of guys had tables were they were enjoying bottle service. After about an hour of dancing, grinding and making out, we took a trike to my apartment. We sat on my couch and talked. She said she started working for the bar three days ago and wasn't really planning on sticking around. Talked some more about her life until eventually we both got tired. She said she would come over the next day for free. I may be a nice guy but I wasn't going to let a barfine go without a single fuck. We showered together which was nice. We had BBBJ / BBFS and some DFK and she gave me her Whatsapp and FB. Fuck was pretty good and she was service oriented but didn't allow DATY. She also told me she was going to Dubai and showed her contract. It looked legit but idk. She asked for a tip and I said I would give her one the next day. She kept asking and I decided she had given a good enough performance for 500 PHP. At least enough to get her home and back here tomorrow. I told her I would give her more if she actually came back tomorrow. Incentive to show up if she really was telling the truth.

Saturday daytime came and went with nothing happening. Louise did not respond to my messages on FB or Whatsapp so I started looking in pinaylove. I connected with a girl or two but in the end decided I would find better talent on walking street if I waited for a couple of hours. As I had already had a girl the last two nights, I wasn't desperate for some action. She did end up replying in a couple of days but honestly, I was put off and there is plenty of talent to explore in AC.

[DandyMan51]

Saturday night: I though I would try to stand out a bit and dressed in decent pants and a polo. Not sure if this helped make my night better but it could have made me look richer and as a more lucrative target. I had noticed Gold and Avalon looked a bit higher class than some of the others. Gold was rather empty when I stopped in at around 7:30 and a bounced rather quickly. I asked the doorman and he said that it was rather early and more girls would come by later. I went on to explore some of the other bars but eventually sat down at Avalon which had a consistent rotation of girls and shows. For those of you who have not yet been, I would recommend at least coming down to Avalon to watch the shows. They are a bit Asian themed but they are really good and make the place feel more like an upper class club than a barfine joint. Before the shows I picked out A, not knowing she was one of the star dancers. She is 29 with a 10 year old daughter. I bought her a lady drink and myself a beer. Halfway through her drink she had to run off to prepare for the show. I patiently waited as the staff kept me company. She performed great on the show and came back to me afterwards. We talked for a bit more and she showed me her ring, given to her by her mama-san. I asked who her mama was and she called her over. I bought mama-san a drink as this is always the right thing to do and the three of us talked on the business of the club and how it works and the history. One of the managers of the club, a Korean, saw that I didn't have a drink so gave me a beer on the house, probably because I bought mama-san and A both a drink. I really was full on beer for the night but I wasn't going to turn down such a kind gesture. A had to perform in three shows before she could be barfined. After the second show, I paid for my drinks (1250 PHP) and the barfine (5000 PHP) for the girl. I had step out since another ISG member had requested me to give his number to a girl he met previously. I went to dollhouse and asked for the girl. To get the girl alone and not in trouble I bought a drink and a lady drink to get some privacy and shared his number. I told the girl I had already barfined another girl and that she didn't have to accompany me so she finished her drink and went off. I drank about half my beer and headed off to grab some food from McDonald's before I would go home with A. I also stopped by at Club Sky to see if Louise was there. She was not so her story about quitting may have been true. Frankly, I wasn't going to invest any more time into this as there were plenty of pretty girls around.

Returning to Avalon, A was performing her final show. I was offered yet another free beer but this time I respectfully declined as I wanted to actually have sex tonight and not fall asleep. After the show, A came out said Hi to me and immediately ran out to get a pack of cigarettes from the staff. I was starting to feel like I made a mistake. We walked towards the tricycles and halfway along, A suggests we get some beer and snacks. So we stop by 7-11 and head to my apartment. A had grown up in the Angeles city area and we talk a bit about how the city had changed. She showed me some old videos of the city and walking street on youtube and her experiences during that time. We go on the balcony so she can smoke and we can drink and eat. After a bit, I suggest we go back inside. We relax a bit on the couch and I suggest we take a shower. She tells me to go in first and to brush my teeth and I oblige. Afterwards she takes a shower and I provide her with an extra disposable toothbrush I had in my backpack. We lie on the bed with some LFK. I beginning kissing all over her body, gradually moving in for some DATY. This was the turning point for everything. She absolutely loved it. She did not want to let my head go. After 10-15 minutes, my neck started feeling stiff and she began to give me a BBBJ. This moved to BBFS at which point I came outside her pussy. We relaxed for a bit but she still wanted more DATY so I gave the girl what she wanted. After an additional 10-15 minutes she came from the DATY. Delighted, she began DFK and hugging and cuddling me. True GFE. We went outside for another smoke and snack break and came back to watch some TV while cuddling. I felt ready for round two so we did a couple additional positions after which I came again. She also told me she was bi and provided her FB and Whatsapp. Definitely going to do a threesome with her next time I am here. We cuddled some more with some pillow talk and after a bit, her friends told her that they were already at the hotel to pick her up. She rushed into the shower, but not before giving me a kiss, and got herself ready to go. She asked me to come out with her to say Hi to her friends so I got dressed and went out. I gave a her 500 PHP tip before she left the room but I really don't think she cared, she seemed very happy to just be with me. We held each other in the elevator and I escorted her out where I joked around with her friends before waving them all goodbye.

[DandyMan51]

I had gone to Manila and Subic for a couple of days but returned to Manila given my last experience with A.

Went out at around 7 PM and hopped a couple of bars and drank with a couple of girls. I already was thinking about repeating with A when I came back to AC so I decided to hit Avalon at around 9:30 PM. I asked for A and was told she was getting ready for the show. Ended up having the same routine as last time where she sat with me between her performances. At 12:30 AM, I was finally able to barfine her and we headed to Club XS to hang out with some of her friends. Ended up buying some drinks for us and for some of her friends including one of the drinks that they set on fire. After about an hour her friends got changed and so instead of paying the lady drink price I was able to get away with paying the guest price which was 100 pesos per beer instead of 350. A ordered and paid for some food to shower between the 6 or 7 of us and I talk and mess around with A and her friends while also enjoying the shows. We stick around until XS closes at 3 AM and give our hugs and goodbyes. Total price was about 5500 pesos. At the point we are all super drunk so A and I head to my hotel. We mess around and talk a bit about various things until we fall asleep at 4 holding each other.

The next morning I wake up early, super hungover, and grab some water and snacks from next door. A is still passed out in my bed. I wake her up for some water and feed her some snacks. We cuddle some more and sleep until we wake up at around noon. We do a quick morning BBFS session similar to last time with some fun DATY and BBBJ. She gets ready and leaves at around 2. After she left I was still tired so I slept most of the day. Even at night I didn't have any energy to go bar hopping and grabbed some food and slept. Honestly, not as good as my last experience with her but still good. Hanging out with her friends was also surprising enjoyable. I am still considering a threesome with her before I leave.

[Kaauh]

When girls stay long-time they certainly like to catch up on sleep. Grace slept until midday and after a quick second round I waved her goodbye with the agreed 2500 in her purse.Great reports Sir, very enjoyable reading. Awaiting the decalogy of the reports.

[Sir Lancelot]

Today would prove to be a fitting end to my time in Angeles and undoubtedly one of the highlights of my many years mongering in SE Asia.

Without a girl in my bed I had the best sleep of the holiday so far. I enjoyed a late breakfast at Kokomos, where I had an interesting chat with an Australian man called Jimmy. We were talking about the freelancer scene in Angeles and he told me a scary story. A man he knows procured the service of two young looking ladyboys from Walking Street for a threesome. But when they got in to his room there was a knock on the door and two angry local men entered, threatening to report him to the police for rape unless he paid them a bribe. His mistake cost him $10,000 USD.

Speaking of scary, I got a message from Grace at 2 pm, the freelancer I went with a couple of nights ago. It was a photo of the outside of my hotel and a message. 'I'm outside, can I see you now? ' I wasn't in the mood for any afternoon action and had a few chores to do, so I made my excuses. She didn't take the rejection well.

'You not like me. Fuck off'.

I did exactly as I was told and blocked her.

I also received a message from Jennifer, the lovely girl I barfined from Champagne. She offered to barfine herself before work so she could spend the whole night with me.

'I can bring my handcuffs' she teased.

She'd provided one of the best long-times I've ever had earlier in the week and the thought she was willing to show me her kinky side was too hard to resist. But I didn't want to waste my last night in Angeles. I told her I would barfine her later in the evening, to give me and Macca one last bar-crawl. 'Bring your handcuffs' I added.

I met Macca in our usual meeting spot at Kokomos at 6 pm and we decided we'd visit some of our favourite bars tonight.

We started at XS, a big Korean bar which generally seems to have the prettiest girls in Angeles. Sadly there is a chronic lack of atmosphere with the girls just standing on stage in their sparkly dresses, waiting to be picked. On my three visits the girls hardly smile and look bored out of their skulls. The dance show at 8 pm is meant to be fun but aside from that this place needs an injection of personality.

There were lots of pretty girls and I couldn't resist buying a drink for a very elegant girl with the face of the model. She had an unusual mixed race appearance but assured me she was 100% Filipino. Conversation was like getting blood from a stone though and I got the impression she was itching to get back on stage so she could seduce an elderly Korean.

Masquerade is quite an unpromising expat bar, tiny inside with a collection of older, cheerful girls. But we chose to visit it because on our previous visit Macca had practically fallen in love with a younger girl he'd seen sitting with a customer. Although we saw her at the bar, looking as delightful as we remembered, she was dressed in her casual clothes and had obviously been barfined. You've got to act quickly to get pretty girls in bars like this.

I finished my drink as two game older birds fondled my chest and called me gwapo.

Our favourite bar of the trip has been Viking. It is stocked with nice younger girls and there is always a fun atmosphere inside, with the girls smiling and sharing jokes. The girls sidestep to the right every few minutes, giving everyone in the bar a good chance to see the goods on offer.

The pretty, curvy girl I spotted on my first visit was on stage but I was put off when the mamasan informed me she was a cherry girl. There were two new girls I hadn't seen before too, a Chinese looking girl with curly hair, who wiggled her bum at me when she saw me looking and an ultra-cute little spinner with the killer combination of braces on her teeth and big tits.

Dragon is another must-visit with plenty of pretty girls. My favourite had long blond curly hair and Macca's had a Cambodian appearance. There was also a tall, dark-skinned girl who flew under my radar until she smiled and her face came alive.

I've had a fantastic time in Angeles and met some beautiful girls. People who continually drone on about the lack of pretty girls are either incredibly short-sighted or have an agenda to discourage people from visiting (financial stake in a bar in Pattaya perhaps?). There are plenty of lookers and almost every bar has a hidden gem or two. Certainly in some respects the place is still bouncing back after covid but if you come to Angeles you will have no shortage of great girls and great sex.

It was 9 pm and time to barfine Jennifer from Champagne.

She seemed super pleased to see me and the feeling was mutual. I paid the 4000 barfine and we went for food at Envy, a great people-watching spot near the entrance to Walking Street.

Afterwards we went to the nightclub Mega. I love this place. We must have stayed for nearly three hours. The venue is good, so is the music. Worth noting that the dance floor is empty until about midnight when podium dancers cajole the masses to the dance floor. There is definitely pickup potential here with lots of groups of girls lingering around the dance floor. Jennifer said 90% of girls are 'advertising', which she told me was bargirl speak for looking for a customer.

Jennifer was an incredibly sexy dancer and suddenly I couldn't wait to get her to my hotel.

I will remember the sex that followed for the rest of my life.

When I entered the bedroom after showering she was naked and wearing pink fluffy handcuffs. 'Would you like me to suck you Officer?' she said, before giving me a really good blowjob.

She held her restrained hands over her head as I slid in to her bareback in mish and said 'harder Officer' as I pounded her. I fucked her doggy-style in front of the mirror, her hands handcuffed behind her back as she fixed me a stare in the mirror. I'd never experimented with handcuffs before and was loving it. So was she, her screams loud enough to wake the rest of the hotel, sorry, prison.

She had also bought a dice along with different sex positions on each face. We rolled it and replicated each position that landed.

The sex went on for ages and I tried positions I have never tried before. I loved being rode by her, her hands behind her back. Then she went up against the desk, lifting one leg on to it, and I fucked her standing up from behind. She loved it rough and gradually I grew in confidence, grabbing her chain and pulling her around the room as we ticked off position after position. The highlight was me sat on a chair next to the bed, her bouncing up and down on my cock while facing away from me. I held her chain tightly, completely controlling her.

It was truly amazing sex with a gem of a girl. We were both dripping with sweat as we tried to get our breaths back.

'Since you did as you were told, I will take your handcuffs off now inmate 142' I said before bedtime, enjoying the roleplay perhaps a little too much.

'Thank you Officer. I'll try to be good' she replied.

Note: this diary will continue on the Cebu and Pattaya pages. I realise my diary is very long, so when I get back to UK I will try to post a summary of my week in Angeles, compressing all the useful stuff (prices etc) in to one post.

[Goferring]

Today would prove to be a fitting end to my time in Angeles and undoubtedly one of the highlights of my many years mongering in SE Asia.Thanks for the great reports. It's good to read that it's not all doom and gloom in AC.

I have no idea why but it sucks that the best girls are always found in the last night or two of a holiday and never the first.

I hope Jen got out of her ticket. 😜.

https://youtube.com/shorts/h0_Br_bSdfY?feature=share

Cheers. G.

[NapaSlapper]

Today would prove to be a fitting end to my time in Angeles and undoubtedly one of the highlights of my many years mongering in SE Asia.

Without a girl in my bed I had the best sleep of the holiday so far. I enjoyed a late breakfast at Kokomos, where I had an interesting chat with an Australian man called Jimmy. We were talking about the freelancer scene in Angeles and he told me a scary story. A man he knows procured the service of two young looking ladyboys from Walking Street for a threesome. But when they got in to his room there was a knock on the door and two angry local men entered, threatening to report him to the police for rape unless he paid them a bribe. His mistake cost him $10,000 USD.

Speaking of scary, I got a message from Grace at 2 pm, the freelancer I went with a couple of nights ago. It was a photo of the outside of my hotel and a message. 'I'm outside, can I see you now? ' I wasn't in the mood for any afternoon action and had a few chores to do, so I made my excuses. She didn't take the rejection well.

'You not like me. Fuck off'.

I did exactly as I was told and blocked her.

I also received a message from Jennifer, the lovely girl I barfined from Champagne. She offered to barfine herself before work so she could spend the whole night with me.

'I can bring my handcuffs' she teased.

She'd provided one of the best long-times I've ever had earlier in the week and the thought she was willing to show me her kinky side was too hard to resist. But I didn't want to waste my last night in Angeles. I told her I would barfine her later in the evening, to give me and Macca one last bar-crawl. 'Bring your handcuffs' I added.

I met Macca in our usual meeting spot at Kokomos at 6 pm and we decided we'd visit some of our favourite bars tonight.

We started at XS, a big Korean bar which generally seems to have the prettiest girls in Angeles. Sadly there is a chronic lack of atmosphere with the girls just standing on stage in their sparkly dresses, waiting to be picked. On my three visits the girls hardly smile and look bored out of their skulls. The dance show at 8 pm is meant to be fun but aside from that this place needs an injection of personality.

There were lots of pretty girls and I couldn't resist buying a drink for a very elegant girl with the face of the model. She had an unusual mixed race appearance but assured me she was 100% Filipino. Conversation was like getting blood from a stone though and I got the impression she was itching to get back on stage so she could seduce an elderly Korean.

Masquerade is quite an unpromising expat bar, tiny inside with a collection of older, cheerful girls. But we chose to visit it because on our previous visit Macca had practically fallen in love with a younger girl he'd seen sitting with a customer. Although we saw her at the bar, looking as delightful as we remembered, she was dressed in her casual clothes and had obviously been barfined. You've got to act quickly to get pretty girls in bars like this.

I finished my drink as two game older birds fondled my chest and called me gwapo.

Our favourite bar of the trip has been Viking. It is stocked with nice younger girls and there is always a fun atmosphere inside, with the girls smiling and sharing jokes. The girls sidestep to the right every few minutes, giving everyone in the bar a good chance to see the goods on offer.

The pretty, curvy girl I spotted on my first visit was on stage but I was put off when the mamasan informed me she was a cherry girl. There were two new girls I hadn't seen before too, a Chinese looking girl with curly hair, who wiggled her bum at me when she saw me looking and an ultra-cute little spinner with the killer combination of braces on her teeth and big tits.

Dragon is another must-visit with plenty of pretty girls. My favourite had long blond curly hair and Macca's had a Cambodian appearance. There was also a tall, dark-skinned girl who flew under my radar until she smiled and her face came alive.

I've had a fantastic time in Angeles and met some beautiful girls. People who continually drone on about the lack of pretty girls are either incredibly short-sighted or have an agenda to discourage people from visiting (financial stake in a bar in Pattaya perhaps?). There are plenty of lookers and almost every bar has a hidden gem or two. Certainly in some respects the place is still bouncing back after covid but if you come to Angeles you will have no shortage of great girls and great sex.

It was 9 pm and time to barfine Jennifer from Champagne.

She seemed super pleased to see me and the feeling was mutual. I paid the 4000 barfine and we went for food at Envy, a great people-watching spot near the entrance to Walking Street.

Afterwards we went to the nightclub Mega. I love this place. We must have stayed for nearly three hours. The venue is good, so is the music. Worth noting that the dance floor is empty until about midnight when podium dancers cajole the masses to the dance floor. There is definitely pickup potential here with lots of groups of girls lingering around the dance floor. Jennifer said 90% of girls are 'advertising', which she told me was bargirl speak for looking for a customer.

Jennifer was an incredibly sexy dancer and suddenly I couldn't wait to get her to my hotel.

I will remember the sex that followed for the rest of my life.

When I entered the bedroom after showering she was naked and wearing pink fluffy handcuffs. 'Would you like me to suck you Officer?' she said, before giving me a really good blowjob.

She held her restrained hands over her head as I slid in to her bareback in mish and said 'harder Officer' as I pounded her. I fucked her doggy-style in front of the mirror, her hands handcuffed behind her back as she fixed me a stare in the mirror. I'd never experimented with handcuffs before and was loving it. So was she, her screams loud enough to wake the rest of the hotel, sorry, prison.

She had also bought a dice along with different sex positions on each face. We rolled it and replicated each position that landed.

The sex went on for ages and I tried positions I have never tried before. I loved being rode by her, her hands behind her back. Then she went up against the desk, lifting one leg on to it, and I fucked her standing up from behind. She loved it rough and gradually I grew in confidence, grabbing her chain and pulling her around the room as we ticked off position after position. The highlight was me sat on a chair next to the bed, her bouncing up and down on my cock while facing away from me. I held her chain tightly, completely controlling her.

It was truly amazing sex with a gem of a girl. We were both dripping with sweat as we tried to get our breaths back.

'Since you did as you were told, I will take your handcuffs off now inmate 142' I said before bedtime, enjoying the roleplay perhaps a little too much.

'Thank you Officer. I'll try to be good' she replied.

Note: this diary will continue on the Cebu and Pattaya pages. I realise my diary is very long, so when I get back to UK I will try to post a summary of my week in Angeles, compressing all the useful stuff (prices etc) in to one post.Thanks for your day by day reporting, we got a good idea of the type of monger you are.

As far as enjoying ones angeles visit or not or finding the type of girls one wants is strictly down to how fussy one is in his choice of girls, those that are happy with older, fatter plain girls are going to have a time of their life, those that are a little bit more fussy in their choice of girls are going to not enjoy their time, fairly easy to tell from trip reports what camp a punter is in.

As I and many have said on the phills forums and all the other countries forums a picture to go with a trip report speaks a 1000 words, as trip reports seldom contain photos one is at a loss as to what quality girls one is having a good time with, from multiple years of experience of working and living in angeles I have learnt that what is one guys model is another guys would not fuck for free.

Happy mongering.

[NapaSlapper]

Most AC Koreans are not young and good looking. The better looking ones are in Thailand or back home since they can get local women.Seems from your posting history that you are in thailand and have not been in angeles for many years, not sure then how you know what's the latest on angeles.

Many young koreans visit angeles no not for the bars only but on business trips, golf trips, language trips etc.

To say angeles is not busy with young koreans is just not true, in the absence of visiting yourself then many utubers are posting street scenes of angeles, there you will see that your assumptions are incorrect, you also will see that westerners are a very rare breed on angeles streets, outnumbered by koreans multiple times.

[LoveItHere69]

We were talking about the freelancer scene in Angeles and he told me a scary story. A man he knows procured the service of two young looking ladyboys from Walking Street for a threesome. But when they got in to his room there was a knock on the door and two angry local men entered, threatening to report him to the police for rape unless he paid them a bribe. His mistake cost him $10,000 USD.

Although we saw her at the bar, looking as delightful as we remembered, she was dressed in her casual clothes and had obviously been barfined.
Taking street girls is dangerous. Taking two street girls is more dangerous (especially if both are unknowns). Taking two street boys is plain stupid. The Koreans are getting hit with this stuff more and for lots more money. You can see it the way they let the girls walk all over them. The Koreans do not want to cause a scene.

The Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) is part of PNP. They did a fake set-up on me 9 years ago with some underage crap with some girl standing outside my apartment but inside the gate. They took me to their office for 11 hours. Let me go right before the next shift started. I complained to the PNP main office and they offered to do a set-up on CIDG. If I did that the CIDG guys might have simply paid one of their "bad guys" to off me for little to nothing. I passed and explained I simply wanted their office to know there was a complaint made against them. That was as far as I was willing to push it.

Many girls go to their bars on their days off to pick up their money, bring food to their friends, or are passing by and bored so stop in for awhile. Also, she may have been barfined and paid the day ahead and came early. You possibly could have taken her for ST and returned before her original suitor came to claim her.

[LoveItHere69]

I could not remember if it was CDIG, CGID, etc. Funny this news article popped up. Kinda proves my point.

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/philippines/8-filipino-cops-arrested-for-robbery-extortion-illegal-detention-1.1643205900462

[Locamotive]

Thanks for the great reports. It's good to read that it's not all doom and gloom in AC.

I have no idea why but it sucks that the best girls are always found in the last night or two of a holiday and never the first.

I hope Jen got out of her ticket. 😜.

https://youtube.com/shorts/h0_Br_bSdfY?feature=share

Cheers. G.I thought this was just me, best girl last day. I met one last night of trip back in November. We did not sleep. Hehe. Much. Thank goodness going back next month and we've stayed in touch. Usually though can't find them again or lose touch.

[FeedSubject]

Thats good advice thank you. So based on your comments, there is no "racism" from filipinos towards indians which is good to hear.

Have you used the apps and do they work? What do you feel is the best source to get the girls? I'm not necessarily focused on attractiveness as long as they are nice, super submissive and serve me well in bed, and don't mind using the girl for the whole trip if I find the right one at the right price.

Yes its my first trip, so would land in Manila, but what do you think about places like Subic, Davao, Dumaguete etc? Are the rural / provinces some other cities beyond these?

Also keen to know the potential disadvantages / dangers from going outside manila etc.

Thanks for replying.


Simply being Indian is not a disadvantage. But acting poorly is. Dress well, have good hygiene, treat the girls with kindness and respect and don't cheap out on everything. No girl in their right mind would rather spend time with an old, ugly, disrespectful white guy over a young, attractive, kind Indian guy though they may take the white guy over an young, cheap, very disrespectful Indian guy. Beyond that it is simply a numbers game. For anyone, if you message or approach a hundred girls, you may get 20 replies / numbers of which 5-6 will actually turn into anything. The exact number varies on the individual but given some effort, anyone can get a handful of girls to sleep with them given they make an honest effort to be a decent guy.

I read your post history. For what you are looking for you have two options.

1. Go to the big cities. If this is your first trip, I recommend limiting yourself to metro Manila as there are more than enough girls to satisfy your tastes in this area. It has the amenities of any big city and the numbers game is greatly in your favor. If you screw up with one girl, there are a hundred more you can try with.

2. Go to the province, more rural areas. Here you have a strong foreigner factor. However, I wouldn't recommend this unless you are a rather seasoned traveler and monger as it presents certain risks and downsides that can end badly if you don't know exactly what you are doing.

With all this said, I would still recommend you do some thinking on exactly what you are after. If you want a girl overnight because you want the best deal (lowest cost per hour), I would recommend you go somewhere else like Cambodia. If you want sex with very attractive girls for a good price, I would recommend Thailand. If you are willing to settle for a bit lower attractiveness but want to spend hours talking and cuddling with the girl between sex then I would recommend the Philippines. This place is ideal for a certain type of person. If you aren't that type of person, your money.

[AceKicker]

I've had a fantastic time in Angeles and met some beautiful girls. People who continually drone on about the lack of pretty girls are either incredibly short-sighted or have an agenda to discourage people from visiting (financial stake in a bar in Pattaya perhaps?). There are plenty of lookers and almost every bar has a hidden gem or two. Certainly in some respects the place is still bouncing back after covid but if you come to Angeles you will have no shortage of great girls and great sex.I totally agree and had same experince during my holiday there. Yes the prices have gone up a bit but if I travel there once a year the additional 1000 p-2000 p per day doesn't really make any difference.

[WestCoast1]

Prices up, but girls seem playful.


SNIP This moved to BBFS at which point I came outside her pussy. We relaxed for a bit but she still wanted more DATY so I gave the girl what she wanted. After an additional 10-15 minutes she came from the DATY. Delighted, she began DFK and hugging and cuddling me. True GFE. We went outside for another smoke and snack break and came back to watch some TV while cuddling. I felt ready for round two so we did a couple additional positions after which I came again. She also told me she was bi and provided her FB and Whatsapp. Definitely going to do a threesome with her next time I am here. Another fella has good sex with a gogo girl in AC. In fact he got that from the girl on repeated barfines.


She'd provided one of the best long-times I've ever had earlier in the week and the thought she was willing to show me her kinky side was too hard to resist. SNIP It was 9 pm and time to barfine Jennifer from Champagne. I will remember the sex that followed for the rest of my life. When I entered the bedroom after showering she was naked and wearing pink fluffy handcuffs. 'Would you like me to suck you Officer?' she said, before giving me a really good blowjob.

SNIP

The sex went on for ages and I tried positions I have never tried before. I loved being rode by her, her hands behind her back. Then she went up against the desk, lifting one leg on to it, and I fucked her standing up from behind. She loved it rough and gradually I grew in confidence, grabbing her chain and pulling her around the room as we ticked off position after position. The highlight was me sat on a chair next to the bed, her bouncing up and down on my cock while facing away from me. I held her chain tightly, completely controlling her.

It was truly amazing sex with a gem of a girl. We were both dripping with sweat as we tried to get our breaths back. The chain! Makin' a stiffie here. Yet another gent squeezes his peso's worth out of a gogo girl.


I've had a fantastic time in Angeles and met some beautiful girls. People who continually drone on about the lack of pretty girls are either incredibly short-sighted or have an agenda to discourage people from visiting (financial stake in a bar in Pattaya perhaps?). There are plenty of lookers and almost every bar has a hidden gem or two. Certainly in some respects the place is still bouncing back after covid but if you come to Angeles you will have no shortage of great girls and great sex.Spot on, and related story coming in the Manila thread later.

Great reports gents. Go team.

A few pics attached of a booby beauty. She is an intoxicating mix of sexuality, playfulness, chatty, and vain (both in the bedroom and in public).

[Goferring]

Have you used the apps and do they work? What do you feel is the best source to get the girls? I'm not necessarily focused on attractiveness as long as they are nice, super submissive and serve me well in bed, and don't mind using the girl for the whole trip if I find the right one at the right price.

Yes its my first trip, so would land in Manila, but what do you think about places like Subic, Davao, Dumaguete etc? Are the rural / provinces some other cities beyond these?

Also keen to know the potential disadvantages / dangers from going outside manila etc.

Thanks for replying.The apps definitely work with '000's of girls available. Filipino Cupid and DIA would be my best source for less hard core girls. Maybe Tinder too if you are willing to sort through the many fakes, scammers etc. Many girls are keen to spend a whole holiday with one guy vs a one hour quickie. She will definitely say thanks for the ongoing income. I typically pay the equivalent of a ST per day for XLT. No one has ever complained with this.

Subic and Duma have decades of established foreigner visits so, except for being smaller, they aren't that different to the bigger centres. Davao and Mindanao have some absolutely gorgeous girls but they are far more traditional and reserved. It would be a mistake to arrive expecting point and shoot straight away. Plan on staying at least a week rather than just a couple of days.

The main danger is arriving to find the 20 girls you have been chatting with, and have promises of wild times, mysteriously vanish. Don't have any confidence in promises made before you arrive. Many girls turn out to be too shy to actually meet a horny stranger, are scared that they will be seen and have their reputation with friends and family trashed etc. Much better to just make contact when you are physically in town and ask if she wants to meet for coffee after school / work. Promises to meet next month are worthless. Security-wise I feel safer in the provinces than the bigger cities. Take the normal precautions and don't do anything stupid but it's not a major concern.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. I didn't mention that some areas of Mindanao are the exception. Davao is extremely safe. However, areas of southern Mindanao are definite no go areas due to separatist activities.

[Goferring]

Thank goodness going back next month and we've stayed in touch. Usually though can't find them again or lose touch.Be careful chasing the dragon. It can become incredibly addictive and withdrawals, when she realises the "relationship" is going nowhere and cuts off supply, can be brutal. 😜.

[Goferring]

Thanks for your day by day reporting, we got a good idea of the type of monger you are.

As far as enjoying ones angeles visit or not or finding the type of girls one wants is strictly down to how fussy one is in his choice of girls, those that are happy with older, fatter plain girls are going to have a time of their life, those that are a little bit more fussy in their choice of girls are going to not enjoy their time, fairly easy to tell from trip reports what camp a punter is in.

As I and many have said on the phills forums and all the other countries forums a picture to go with a trip report speaks a 1000 words, as trip reports seldom contain photos one is at a loss as to what quality girls one is having a good time with, from multiple years of experience of working and living in angeles I have learnt that what is one guys model is another guys would not fuck for free.

Happy mongering.Dude, we get it: You see your Korean business partners hit the town and score hotties at will and you are unable to get one at any cost, despite living there for years. It must be disappointing to see that others don't have the same problem.

Can I respectfully make a suggestion? If you don't like AC, then leave for somewhere you do like. It's not rocket science. Don't give me 'but I came here to set up a a business not to monger'. You don't select the horemongering centre of the universe as a place of business by accident. I'm sure there were many civilian cities within and outside PI to make your widgets.

As for demanding proof via photos, who cares? The guys spent their cash for girls that they found attractive and had a great time. Who am I to argue that their cutie was a 2 or a 9? Remember that while you want evidence of good looks, you are insisting that guys are picking up only old and fat women without doing the same. I'm taking the writers at their word and your recommendation of checking YouTube shows many guys with lookers on their arm.

Enjoy. G.

[AsianPursuits]

As I and many have said on the phills forums and all the other countries forums a picture to go with a trip report speaks a 1000 words, as trip reports seldom contain photos one is at a loss as to what quality girls one is having a good time with, from multiple years of experience of working and living in angeles I have learnt that what is one guys model is another guys would not fuck for free.
That is EXACTLY why AC is such a good destination. There really is a girl for everyone, for every taste.

Walk down the street and you see a girl that looks like the girl from year 9 many years ago that you had a crush on. Go to the Mall and see a girl that reminds you of your university class mate. Sit in a club and see a shy girl with a big smile that you have to fuck. Walk a little further and discover the chubby girl from the 7-11 looks pretty good in heals.

There are the older mongers like me that come to AC to screw the 18-22 year olds. There are the same aged mongers that are sensible spending their time with 40-45's. There are other mongers sensibly marrying the 55+ women.

In AC you can be who you want with who you want. There is someone for every taste.

As for a place to do business Pampanga is a good destination. When I was living there we rarely went to the entertainment district. We would take visitors there but our local fun was usually had either in our gated community with invited guests or at venues further afield in Angeles City proper.

[NapaSlapper]

Dude, we get it: You see your Korean business partners hit the town and score hotties at will and you are unable to get one at any cost, despite living there for years. It must be disappointing to see that others don't have the same problem.

Can I respectfully make a suggestion? If you don't like AC, then leave for somewhere you do like. It's not rocket science. Don't give me 'but I came here to set up a a business not to monger'. You don't select the horemongering centre of the universe as a place of business by accident. I'm sure there were many civilian cities within and outside PI to make your widgets.

As for demanding proof via photos, who cares? The guys spent their cash for girls that they found attractive and had a great time. Who am I to argue that their cutie was a 2 or a 9? Remember that while you want evidence of good looks, you are insisting that guys are picking up only old and fat women without doing the same. I'm taking the writers at their word and your recommendation of checking YouTube shows many guys with lookers on their arm.

Enjoy. G.With due respect, picking up a business that cost millions of pesos to buy premises, set up and millions more to train staff is not cost effective to move and start again unless you are offering the money to do so.

As far as getting laid, I think you will find that most all guys who live in angeles have a live in girlfriend and plenty of phone numbers to lovers that have nothing to do with prostitution, so not exactly going without pussy of much higher quality than the bars. So in such I am happy to visit bars for business or to catch up with friends but at no time do I feel envious of the koreans because at the end of the night I'm going home to my much higher quality girls than what's found in the bars.

As for your input to the angeles thread, maybe making a recent visit from your bolt hole in the boonies will give your posts some up to date content, when you do decide to visit shoot me a pm and ill take you under my wing and show you around a place you not seen in years.

[NapaSlapper]

Dude, we get it: You see your Korean business partners hit the town and score hotties at will and you are unable to get one at any cost, despite living there for years. It must be disappointing to see that others don't have the same problem.

Can I respectfully make a suggestion? If you don't like AC, then leave for somewhere you do like. It's not rocket science. Don't give me 'but I came here to set up a a business not to monger'. You don't select the horemongering centre of the universe as a place of business by accident. I'm sure there were many civilian cities within and outside PI to make your widgets.

As for demanding proof via photos, who cares? The guys spent their cash for girls that they found attractive and had a great time. Who am I to argue that their cutie was a 2 or a 9? Remember that while you want evidence of good looks, you are insisting that guys are picking up only old and fat women without doing the same. I'm taking the writers at their word and your recommendation of checking YouTube shows many guys with lookers on their arm..With due respect, picking up a business that cost millions of pesos to buy premises, set up and millions more to train staff is not cost effective to move and start again unless you are offering the money to do so.

As far as getting laid, I think you will find that most all guys who live in Angeles have a live in girlfriend and plenty of phone numbers to lovers that have nothing to do with prostitution, so not exactly going without pussy of much higher quality than the bars. So in such I am happy to visit bars for business or to catch up with friends but at no time do I feel envious of the Koreans because at the end of the night I'm going home to my much higher quality girls than what's found in the bars.

As for your input to the Angeles thread, maybe making a recent visit from your bolt hole in the boonies will give your posts some up to date content, when you do decide to visit shoot me a PM and I'll take you under my wing and show you around a place you not seen in years.

[NapaSlapper]

That is EXACTLY why AC is such a good destination. There really is a girl for everyone, for every taste.

Walk down the street and you see a girl that looks like the girl from year 9 many years ago that you had a crush on. Go to the Mall and see a girl that reminds you of your university class mate. Sit in a club and see a shy girl with a big smile that you have to fuck. Walk a little further and discover the chubby girl from the 7-11 looks pretty good in heals.

There are the older mongers like me that come to AC to screw the 18-22 year olds. There are the same aged mongers that are sensible spending their time with 40-45's. There are other mongers sensibly marrying the 55+ women..Fully agree with your post.

Yes each and every visitor to Angeles has a different agenda, different tastes and different want lists.

I am truly happy for the guys that find what they are looking for in Angeles, after all most spent a fortune getting here so why not.

That's not to say Angeles is for everyone though.

As far as Angeles being a great business destination it sure is due to the reasonable property prices and access to highly qualified, educated people (yes not all girls in Angeles area are pros, in fact very few are).

As far as fun in Angeles, yes for those that visit for a few days it might be exciting but for the expats that are here every day and remember the golden years of Angeles city and the quality of girls that once were working bar then todays Angeles is not much fun for every one IMHO, still as I said in a previous post, most expat friends fuck nice looking girls that don't work bar, why can we do this, because we have all the time in the world to find such unlike the guys that are here few days and just want to put notches on the bed post.

Happy mongering.

[Goferring]

when you do decide to visit shoot me a pm and ill take you under my wing and show you around a place you not seen in years.Thanks for the offer. It will be fun. From your posts, you seem like a real barrel of laughs.

Maybe you don't realise but we have already met. Many times in fact. The old guy, sitting in an bar, complaining to anyone who will listen that this is fucked, that is fucked and everyone is an idiot for decades on end. That was you, no? As I said, we've met many times before.

As for posting quality, let me know when you have something informative beyond a copy / paste of only Korean guys get the pretty girls, Westerners always barfine the fat, old and ugly.

Enjoy. G.

[NapaSlapper]

Thanks for the offer. It will be fun. From your posts, you seem like a real barrel of laughs.

Maybe you don't realise but we have already met. Many times in fact. The old guy, sitting in an bar, complaining to anyone who will listen that this is fucked, that is fucked and everyone is an idiot for decades on end. That was you, no? As I said, we've met many times before.

As for posting quality, let me know when you have something informative beyond a copy / paste of only Korean guys get the pretty girls, Westerners always barfine the fat, old and ugly.

Enjoy. G.Maybe putting down the bottle will serve your memory better about meeting me, old guy in the bar? I'm in my early 50's so your clearly mistaken in your assumptions again.

As I said should you ever make an Angeles visit 1st beer on me, maybe you will warm to my frank but honest views, thanks.

[Goferring]

As I said should you ever make an Angeles visit 1st beer on me, maybe you will warm to my frank but honest views, thanks.Thanks. Same here.


Fully agree with your post.

Yes each and every visitor to Angeles has a different agenda, different tastes and different want lists...

That's not to say Angeles is for everyone though...

As far as fun in Angeles, yes for those that visit for a few days it might be exciting but for the expats that are here every day and remember the golden years of Angeles city and the quality of girls that once were working bar then todays Angeles is not much fun for every one IMHO, still as I said in a previous post, most expat friends fuck nice looking girls that don't work bar, why can we do this, because we have all the time in the world to find such unlike the guys that are here few days and just want to put notches on the bed post.

Happy mongering.Looks like we do have some common ground.

While all guys do have different tastes, it's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers. This even applies to guys who complain about not finding what they want in these markets. What's rarely discussed is how easy it is to pick up girls outside of these, even for the weekend warrior. While expats' "good" girls may be out of reach, it's not that hard to hook up with girls online, in SM or even just walking down the street. These girls are often far less hardened, a common complaint of the long serving bargirls.

Unfortunately, the good 'ol days are gone everywhere. It's exceedingly rare to find a pretty, fun girl for $15 in any of the world's flesh pots any more. Having said that, time has also brought discount airfares, cheap online hotel booking and even the raft of online sourcing options so the news isn't all bad.

Enjoy. G.

[Locamotive]

Thanks. Same here.

Looks like we do have some common ground.

While all guys do have different tastes, it's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers. This even applies to guys who complain about not finding what they want in these markets. What's rarely discussed is how easy it is to pick up girls outside of these, even for the weekend warrior. While expats' "good" girls may be out of reach, it's not that hard to hook up with girls online, in SM or even just walking down the street. These girls are often far less hardened, a common complaint of the long serving bargirls.

Unfortunately, the good 'ol days are gone everywhere. It's exceedingly rare to find a pretty, fun girl for $15 in any of the world's flesh pots any more. Having said that, time has also brought discount airfares, cheap online hotel booking and even the raft of online sourcing options so the news isn't all bad.

Enjoy. G."It's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers." This should not surprise you. Its time. I've been coming there over 10 years now, but when I visit 2 maybe 3 weeks I do bars. Easy and quick and you don't waste time. I guess I could set up a few on dating apps but that's a risk. ,girl is not one in pic. No compatibility. Again its a risk. Bar is better as you get what you see. Now when I retire there sure, Ill try malls. Regular clubs or whatever but not wasting time on that with a few weeks. I do have a few regulars who guarantee a good time then I backfill with bar girls, perfect for me. I did try online once, beautiful girl but when got to room and shirt cam off. Terrible baby damage. Not my thing. I kept her a couple hours not to be cruel, but after that I said never again. I got to see what I'm buying.

[Dg8787]

"It's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers." This should not surprise you. Its time. I've been coming there over 10 years now, but when I visit 2 maybe 3 weeks I do bars. Easy and quick and you don't waste time. I guess I could set up a few on dating apps but that's a risk. ,girl is not one in pic. No compatibility. Again its a risk. Bar is better as you get what you see. Now when I retire there sure, Ill try malls. Regular clubs or whatever but not wasting time on that with a few weeks. I do have a few regulars who guarantee a good time then I backfill with bar girls, perfect for me. I did try online once, beautiful girl but when got to room and shirt cam off. Terrible baby damage. Not my thing. I kept her a couple hours not to be cruel, but after that I said never again. I got to see what I'm buying.Bars are an efficient way of delivering timely product. No questions about it.

[Goferring]

"It's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers." This should not surprise you. Its time. I've been coming there over 10 years now, but when I visit 2 maybe 3 weeks I do bars. Easy and quick and you don't waste time. I guess I could set up a few on dating apps but that's a risk..In terms of time, I've never found bars to be point and shoot. I don't think I have unreasonable standards but it's exceedingly rare for me to walk into a bar and find Ms Tonight straight away. I've certainly had nights where I've gone home empty handed.

The same can be said for performance levels. I've had so many runners, poor performers and entitled girls that now I go to bars to have a perv or meet buddies. It's pretty rare for me to actually barfine anywhere outside of Burgos. As a contrast, I'm struggling to remember a disappointing civilian or online hookup. Sure photos are flattering but that's to be expected and there are ways to minimise surprises. In my book the performance can make up for it.

Inpromptu meetings in SM, restaurants etc should be regarded as a pleasant surprise. I know I do. But don't be afraid to act on opportunities should they arise. They are great but I don't rely on them for filling my daily quota. If anything, heading out with a hunter's eye reduces the chances of success, not improves it.

Each to their own. For guys enjoying bar fines, more power to you. However, for those that aren't, bars definitely shouldn't be regarded as the only way to get laid in AC, or elsewhere.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

"It's always surprised me that 99% of visitors confine themselves to the bars and possibly branch out to street walkers." This should not surprise you. Its time. I've been coming there over 10 years now, but when I visit 2 maybe 3 weeks I do bars. Easy and quick and you don't waste time. Agree. Back in the day before apps, dating sites were the alternative to the bars. I also had a mix of good / bad dating site experiences. I had better experiences in the bars. Santos and Raymond St bars offered girls for a few hours for the price of a meal at Kok's / Phillies, and other WS bars offered LT for not much more. Point / shoot became paramount for me. It was (pre-covid) sooooo easy in AC. Girls rarely misbehaved. Overnights for $30 USD. Never-ending supply of girls. Caveat, I was into the barfine, but not the bar scene of buying LD's and finding the 'right' girl for me. If I stayed 2 weeks, I would take only 1 dating site girl (good or bad experience didn't compel me to take another or not take another during the interval), and the rest were either bar girls or SW. Had apps been around at the time like they are today, I would not have utilized them anymore than DIA. On some trips I only utilized dating sites while in AC to tell the Manila girls that I was in Pampanga and only a few days away from the NCR.


In terms of time, I've never found bars to be point and shoot. I don't think I have unreasonable standards but it's exceedingly rare for me to walk into a bar and find Ms Tonight straight away. I've certainly had nights where I've gone home empty handed.Respecfully disagree. The AC of a decade ago, was easy for me to walk in, buy a mama a drink (or other tactic), ask her advice (or any of the gogo girls), and end up getting what I wanted.

In addition, I was in AC late last year, and I found at least one do-able girl in almost every bar (exception: the Western-themed bar on the MacArthur end of WS, all fuglies), half a dozen such girls in most bars, in Atlantis one night a dozen such girls. I didn't necessarily barfine them, but right there they were, dancing in front of me, available. This does not include the Perimeter-area bars, which often had NO girls inside when I was there. I've gone home empty-handed also, but because I was out perving, not hunting.


The same can be said for performance levels. I've had so many runners, poor performers and entitled girls that now I go to bars to have a perv or meet buddies. I had better luck pre-covid. My approach was more biz-oriented than most gents (I was not trying to find a girl that I had a 'right connection' with). The entitlement appears to be in place post-covid. Regular bars offering ST / LT pricing structures, runners, girls lying to keep you in the bar to buy them LD's, etc. , makes the pay-before system look bad.

[NapaSlapper]

There is no doubt that the Angeles girls of multiple years ago were a different breed with a totally different mind set.

Multiple years ago mongering was easy in Angeles, walk into any bar and they were full to the brim with girls, even the small out of the way bars on perimeter Road, 90% of the girls were 18-20 years, slim and most definitely worth fucking, what's more important was that 100% of the girls would barfine and barfine long time, never had a dud girl back then and even if one did it was just a case of returning her to the bar for a full refund, good time was guaranteed by the bar, definitely not so now days.

Remember multiple bars multiple moons ago where I worked my way through the majority of the girls working there, sometimes 20 girls from the same bar, what's left of Angeles now is that I and many friends barhop only to find very few girls we would want to fuck, it is what it is and for those of us that do not rely on the bars to get laid we don't give a shite, leave all the bait and switch, runners and do not barfine girls to those that are desperate enough to put up with the shit.

[MrHappyKat]

"... most expat friends fuck nice looking girls that don't work bar, why can we do this, because we have all the time in the world to find such unlike the guys that are here few days and just want to put notches on the bed post."

Happy mongering.I will only have 6 days in AC. All my "notches" will just be lines drawn with a Sharpie. LOL.

[NapaSlapper]

A few words to try to help those that have not visited angeles or have not visited in multiple years.

Well lets start off with angeles based forums, yes there is much good information out there but many mixed reviews on the quality of girls working bar, some visit and swear every girl in the bars is young, slim and a stunner yet many others claim its very hard to find lookers or even slim younger girls of average looks, ill cover the reasons for this and whether angeles is worth a visit.

Lets start with what is angeles like as a place.

Angeles city is basically a 3rd world shithole, I have said this in the past, as have many other board members, why do we say this well a few reasons is the sheer poverty, the terrible pollution, the terrible infustructure, the terrible oily tasteless food, totally crap internet, begging thieving street kids, multiple Viagra / cigarette street vendors pestering one constantly and trike drivers acting agressive, the many dangers and scams that abound, there is a reason every hotel, every store even the smallest of stores have the need of heavily armed guards always present is in order to stop the premises from being robbed by the desperate scum, angeles really has nothing to do except maybe visit the small malls, watch tv or sleep in between bar hops.

Walking street Bars.

Well this can be separated into two distinct types, the type that attracts mostly westerners and the type that attracts mostly koreans, the western bars tend to be very quiet for both the number of girls and punters, think most bars 2- 10 girls with some bars having absolutely no customers most of the night, one or two bars are a bit more busy, mostly with long term western expats, girl quality in the western bars is low, mostly girls 28-40 years of age, high mileage but playful and more willing to interact and barfine.

The korean bars tend to be the big show bars, nice decor, good dance shows and entertainment on stage, good dj, s, much better quality girls over all, although not all girls are young, slim and attractive there are though in most korean bars a few that are fairly attractive, not all is at it seems though, the top girls tend to not barfine with anyone, instead choosing to stay in the bar and earn large from lady drinks commissions, making it rain money and sitting tips, there are though still some girls that will barfine, unfortunately if one is not korean and spending large in the bar then one will be out of luck, they are korean only girls, westerners that want to barfine from the korean bars might be able to choose from the girls the koreans don't want, it is what it is unfortunately.

Perimeter road bars.

Many moons ago many a fine girl could be found here and at cheaper prices to walking st, now most bars are closed and the very few that remain have mainly old old ladies, give it a miss is my advice.

STREET GIRLS,

Be very careful here, many are men in dresses and many are under age, many are working with older ladies or the police to set up guys in either under age or rape claim scams, you have been warned, many guys claim never had a problem but its never a problem till it happens costing thousands of usd to get out of, know personally of two cases over the last year.

Tight pinay bargirls and bargirls orgasms.

Some board members swear angeles bargirls have tight pussies, yes some of the young no baby girls might have ok pussies but young no baby girls are a very rare breed in angeles bars, but by far the majority of girls have had their bodies and pussies ruined by multiple child births just the same as prostitutes the world over so no I would not say that pinays are any tighter than any other nationality, As for prostitutes having orgasms then all I will say is that just because a prostitute is moaning while getting fucked does not mean she is enjoying herself or having an orgasm, she could just as well be moaning in order to receive her pay while her mind is on what she will cook the kids for dinner tonight. Girls can be great actresses where money is concerned.

Believing bargirls,

Its funny how many guys hang on every word a bargirl tells them they believe it so much that they will report online (well my bargirl told me xyz so it must be true) I can only assume these guys are just unworldly simpletons, I always say when a bargirls lips are moving she is lying, lost count of the bargirls that have told me, napa, your cock is so big, the biggest I've seen, napa, your so young and handsome napa, your so good in bed, nobody has made me come like you napa, it goes straight over my head, its all bullshit but some simpletons actually believe all the crap that comes out of their mouths and go on to brag about it in their trip reports.

Short time, long time girls and what's the cost.

Its true to say that any angeles bargirl that is even a little bit young, slim and cute will insist on short time why, well its simply comes down to money, why would a popular girl do long time for 5,000 pesos when she has a que of guys willing to pay her 5,000 pesos for short time so in fact a popular girl can do 3 or 4 short times and earn 15-20,000 peso as apposed to one long time at 5,000 peso, girls time = money in angeles and they will take the big money every time.

Most western bars are 4,000 peso and most korean bars are 5,000 peso bar fine, the lower price in the western bars is to take into account the lower quality of girls found there, most ok looking girls are short time, if one wants long time then possible but only with the girls that don't often get barfined so might be more desperate to seal the deal.

Girls giving free pussy.

Yes this is very true, angeles girls do give free pussy, unfortunately only to their pinoy husband, lover, the cute security guard at her bar and her favourite young trike driver, not only do the girls give out free pussy to the pinoys they mainly give them their money too.

Many western guys come on the forums and boast well my bargirl gives me free pussy, I'm so handsome and such a great lover that she even pays her own barfine to spend time with me, bullshite I say, never heard so much crap in my life my advice to the guys that want to visit is that in angeles nothing is free one will pay handsomely if one wants pussy.

Runners, blow jobs, sucking pussy, and kissing.

Runners is one of the most common problems in angeles as many members have said, girls often will promise long time in the bar to secure the deal only to have her clothes on after the 1st pop, nothing can be done about it, no money back from the bar and complain too much and that little princess might cry rape, just let her go is the sensible option.

Blow jobs, is getting more rare, especially amongst the younger lookers same for kissing and letting one go down on her, some might allow but don't expect it as normal practise, if its allowed enjoy it because it might not come around again.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Never has a truer few words been said, indeed what one guy thinks is a stunner another might think is a fat dog, there is no hard and fast rule, some guys have great taste in girls and some guys don't.

In summing up its so hard to either recommend an angeles visit or not, all guys have different tastes in girls, some are happy with any girl that has a pulse and some are not, what is true is that those that are not at all fussy are having the better time, yes they will tell all that will listen that they fuck only the youngest best girls but in truth not seen a westerner with a pretty young bar girl on the arm or sitting next to one in a bar for more than 10 years.

If one wants to visit then maybe ok if nearby or as part of a phills holiday which includes island hopping and some diving, would definitely not be spending large and travelling long distances to visit but ill leave the final decision to each guy to decide what's best for them.

Hope that helps some out with some insight into angeles and their decisions to visit or not.

[MoonShot]

Very insightful and accurate. I have visited Angeles City a number of times but for my past few trips, I have moved on to other cities in the PI such as Cebu and Davao and the online dating scene. I think you can meet better girls in the PI if you go to the other cities.

There is an additional risk in Angeles City. Most guys go bareback and it is a tight circle of guys and bargirls within a small geographic area so if one guy or girl has an STD, it will spread rapidly since the guys are screwing a lot of girls and the girls are screwing a lot of guys. At least in the big cities, it is more spread out so the risks are a little lower.

[ElMexicant]

There is no doubt that the Angeles girls of multiple years ago were a different breed with a totally different mind set.

Multiple years ago mongering was easy in Angeles, walk into any bar and they were full to the brim with girls, even the small out of the way bars on perimeter Road, 90% of the girls were 18-20 years, slim and most definitely worth fucking, what's more important was that 100% of the girls would barfine and barfine long time, never had a dud girl back then and even if one did it was just a case of returning her to the bar for a full refund, good time was guaranteed by the bar, definitely not so now days.

Remember multiple bars multiple moons ago where I worked my way through the majority of the girls working there, sometimes 20 girls from the same bar, what's left of Angeles now is that I and many friends barhop only to find very few girls we would want to fuck, it is what it is and for those of us that do not rely on the bars to get laid we don't give a shite, leave all the bait and switch, runners and do not barfine girls to those that are desperate enough to put up with the shit.You are 100% absolutely correct. Back in 2012, was my first trip to AC and Manila. Talent was so much better and the entertainment districts were bustling. There were lots of gems to be found at Perimeter Bars that were cheap for barfine until the next day, that you can take 3-4 of them to party and fuck. Girls on Walking Street were even more and plentiful with lots of stunners dressed to the 9's. Walking Street was jammed pack until 5 am and the party at HiSo was the shit. Remembering big drunk groups hitting up Jolly Bees after club closed, wolfing down on chicken and spaghetti. I would make 1 trip and year subsequently after 2013 and it got worse and worse with each trip. My final was in 2017 and it was only for 5 days. Couldn't even stand it. Never went back afterwards. I look at the AC scene just like the Penthouse Hotel I used to stay at. It was great in 2012 and by 2016, it was a forgotten dump without upkeep. Nana, Cowboy, Soi 6, and WS Pattaya have also decline as well. But not at the rate AC has. Those recent YouTube videos tell all when compared to yesteryears.

[Expat American]

While nobody can deny AC is no longer the dirt cheap pussy paradise it used to be, it is not nearly as bad as NapaSlapper portrays. As far as the city itself, I do agree, its a shithole. There is nothing to do besides sit in bars and fuck girls. But it has always been that way. So nothing has changed. I go there for 3-4 days at a time and its enough. As for the girls, yes its nothing like the past, I came there first in 2004 and you had to chase girls out of the room with a stick. ST was 500 Peso and long time between 1200 and 1500. You can't buy gas at 99 cents anymore and can't get pussy at those prices either. So get over that. But if you are willing to pay 3000 to 4000 you can still get young willing cute girls to go Long time. There are smaller Korean bars that do have a few good girls that also go with non Koreans. And there are bigger western oriented bars like Lolipop and Geckos etc that always have a couple of girls. I have even found good ones in Perimeter bars. You have to put more effort in than you used to and the pickings are slimmer but you can still find enough good girls to fill a long weekend.

I just got back from Pattaya and while its much better than AC in many ways, I still find the interactions with Filipinas to just be more fun and entertaining. Plus there is never a doubt about BBFS there. Ill still go there for short 3-4 day trips. Going again 22-26 March in fact.

[Sir Lancelot]

But if you are willing to pay 3000 to 4000 you can still get young willing cute girls to go Long time.I totally agree. I visited a few weeks ago and there are loads of pretty girls available. Most people who post reports say the same. Only a minority of one seems to think otherwise.

[Goferring]

Pinay je ne sais quoi defined: an indefinable, elusive quality, especially a pleasing one: She has a certain je ne sais quoi that charms everybody. Or just see the pics.I don't speak French. Is that the same as the blogger who described his visit to Cebu as 'Je suis un rockstar'? 😜.

https://youtu.be/Kes59jY8XAE

[NapaSlapper]

Just a few thoughts on what happening in the town and the bars over 2 barhops.

Lets start with this week, the whole town seems to be less busy than the last several weeks, there is a fairly big decline in punter numbers around, normally the streets are fairly busy with Koreans but even these seem to be less in number.

Geckos bar, probably 10 - 12 girls working most sitting around with older expats, only two girls on stage, had one drink and left.

Lollipop bar, last visit saw this bar was fairly busy and lively, even saw 1 girl that was slim and ok looking but 1 girl and 20 customers did not seem good odds this visit saw less punters and no cutie, maybe she had already been barfined or had left for the Better money at the Korean bars, 1 drink and left.

Vikings bar, this bar had come highly recommended as a favourite bar from a board member in his trip report, had not been here in a long time but thought give it a try, on walking in my friends wanted to immediately turn around and walk out but I had persuaded them to stay and maybe the bar had better girls on the next rotation, stayed for 1 drink, none of us saw anything worth buying a lady drink for, atmosphere was good though, plenty of smiling girls but girls too old for our liking.

Last bar was Atlantis bar, a jump up in girl quality, there were at least a couple of girls that were cute, invited one of them down for a drink with me, great company, a little shy but happy smiling girl, she had told me she was a Cherrie girl right from the start but still worth the lady drink money.

Second barhop,

Had a good friend that was on a short visit from Davao city to catch up with us in Angeles for couple of days, we all tease him about his bad taste in women, his taste is so bad I would not leave my 93 year old grandmother alone with him in case he hits on her, he always finds his type of girl in the bars, this night it was the 1st girl that smiled at him in our 1st bar we visited paro paro bar on walking st, we all told him to take his time and choose better than the old fattie he liked but he wanted her, who am I to stop a friend having his type of fun, hit a few of the Korean orientated bars next, club xs and Q bar, both bars were quieter than last week for punters and girls, its seems that the higher season of Angeles is coming to an end.

Not much more to report except a few more bars have raised lady drink prices from 300 pesos to 350 pesos, cheapest barfine I saw was 4,000 pesos on walking st but you get what you pay for,5,000 pesos seems the norm for anything that a bit cute.

[Sir Lancelot]

Bad. Its bad. You fellas stay away. Go to Patts. Leave the Pina to me. . .Haha, you're sounding like someone else there.

[Old And Ugly]

Any recommendations for good quality medical testing around walking st. ?

My tour of duty is coming to an end, and I would like to have some std tests done before returning home.

[Old And Ugly]

A few words to try to help those that have not visited angeles or have not visited in multiple years.

Well lets start off with angeles based forums, yes there is much good information out there but many mixed reviews on the quality of girls working bar, some visit and swear every girl in the bars is young, slim and a stunner yet many others claim its very hard to find lookers or even slim younger girls of average looks, ill cover the reasons for this and whether angeles is worth a visit.

Lets start with what is angeles like as a place.

Walking street Bars.

Perimeter road

STREET GIRLS,

Tight pinay bargirls and bargirls orgasms.

Believing bargirls,

Short time, long time girls and what's the cost.

Girls giving free pussy.

Runners, blow jobs, sucking pussy, and kissing.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I didn't reply with the complete quote, but it sums it up perfectly.

[Sir Lancelot]

Blow jobs, is getting more rare, especially amongst the younger lookers same for kissing and letting one go down on her.At the risk of being called a 'dreamer' again for having a different view to yours, kissing is a my biggest turn-on and ALL eight of the girls I fucked on my recent trip to Angeles practically ate my face off they were so passionate.

You will of course suggest this is because the girls were old and ugly, your go-to stance whenever someone else is having better luck than you, but they were all 18-20 apart from a girl from Baccarat who was 24 and a freelancer who was 25.

Filipino girls are incredibly passionate creatures, way more so than their Thai counterparts.

[Dg8787]

Any recommendations for good quality medical testing around walking st. ?

My tour of duty is coming to an end, and I would like to have some std tests done before returning home.There are private labs on Surla St near MacArthur Blvd.

[WestCoast1]

Sorry the late reply on this. Written more than a week ago but forgot to post. Regarding NS, Lance, prices, beauty.


I fully agree with you.Next time I am in the mood for some anal or bondage, can you get *all the ladies* to say that to me?


So there is still exists an unlimited deep pool of pussyThis is an understatement. The pandemic, continuing until now, caused prices to jump up dis-proportionally higher than inflation in some arenas (you know, normal market explanations don't always apply in Phils), while other sectors took wild price drops. Beavis aptly called it A CAN OF SARDINES, regarding what he might be able to give local girls. If a girl pre-covid was used to getting 2000 for ST, and then during a worldwide pandemic someone (s) was giving her 5-10 K per session: What! But it happened for a few. Or alternately her former clients, locked out of the country, were just sending her money regularly and there was no need for her to work (several Burgos SW, 6's and 7's on the scale, had themselves a lazy, stress-free covid experience with no need to work, as each of them had several of their regulars locked out and just started sending them remit each month. Good for them).

More likely another girl before pandemic was getting 2000ST; then afterwards she had no customers, here or overseas, and she accepted when the local expats started giving 1500, then just one blue note instead of two into her purse (because there was nowhere else for her to turn, and a ton of other poon was available to the expat). Previous to pandemic she was happy to get p2000, three times a week (p6 k total, and 3 pops). During pandemic, she was lucky to have 3 local expat clients, giving p1 k each time. During covid, client #1 had her twice a week (1 k + 1 k), client #2 once a week (1 k), and client #3 once a week (1500). Client #2 now insisted on 2 pops for 1 k. I was one of the clients. That's p4500 total, less than before, and now 5 pops. She was always worried when one of them was out of town for a week or two, or came down with a cold, coming down hard on me when another fella was incapacitated, wanting more sessions. Pre-pandemic, when an expat client was gone on vacation for a week or he was sick, she could go back to her old haunts and get another weekend warrior. During pandemic, she hoped that each expat invited her back next week. This scenario is more typical of what happened to the majority of gals in the biz.

Is that cruel of the clients, to lower the price? Can a virus be blamed? Is that a market issue? Market forces (ie, J or K influx) previously allowed AC bars to raise prices a decade ago, and then again last year. The gents now cry "P5000"! Isn't it fair that market forces during pandemic (large supply of girls, small demand & few expats) drove down the CAN OF SARDINES? To each market analyst, his own opinion.

During pandemic I referred to it as the market going 'sideways'; prices were both going up for some, and down for others. Some girls transferred from one arena (say, a gogo bar or escort) to another (say, OnlyFans), and made a good chunk of change. Others had nowhere to turn, as their entire choice of trabajo was customers from other countries who were in town. Some here and elsewhere have suggested that the girl could have turned to OnlyFans (or other online flesh marketing), which is logical, but I find that to be academic thinking that does not reflect pinoy cultural reality. Its easy to say or think, its entirely different if a mass psyche dampens or prohibits the follow-thru in many chicas. I suggested such to some of my regulars, offering to put them in touch with other such pinay in the OF arena for advice. All of them declined; they would not even consider it. Those ladies dependent on foreigners being in town (SW, gogo girls, Tinder, average-looking girls, province girls, etc) were suddenly happy with A CAN OF SARDINES as their prize. And they were easy to spot: they came to me (or were referred), not the other way around. The pandemic was so harsh on the local economy that regular gals newly agreeable with the SARDINES prize were additionally offering up neighbors who also needed A CAN. A glut on the market, making true EA's deep pool-o-poon.


but Burgos street bars is not the place to find it. Mostly I agree with this. I slowed way down on Burgos barfines about a decade ago. The reason was that I found a method of getting the same girls to 'sneak out' for afternoon ST trysts (not to mention the ever-increasing girth of the ladies). Some of those gals became long time regulars. What Goffering mentioned about girls going for much less than the 'going rate' with guys they trust, or with expats (who they trust and get consistent biz from), is true. Sometimes (sometimes!) you can get a gogo gal for a less than expected. These things happen infrequently, over time, and are usually not visible to 2-week warriors. There is no great strategy for this to happen, it just happens sometimes.

OTOH, the Burgos barfine prices. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I think the early 00's saw consistent barfine prices of p2700. Then sometime about 2010, they jumped across the board to either 3500 or 3900 in different bars (excepting Stardust which remained at p2500 until it closed). Quite a jump at once, from 2700 to 3500 is 30%, or from 2700 to 3900 is 44%. However, the needle hasn't moved. A decade or more later (and even after high inflation and pandemic), the price remains the same. If the p3900 (plus tip) is too much today, wouldn't it be even worse a decade ago? I would make the case that the $ amount is not too high, but the quality of the goods became too low, ala Zhangsan (especially in the era just before covid, it was fairly bad, somewhat better today -- YMMV).


Nor is AC anymore, sadly. During the same time of the last decade, even before covid, the AC bars were raising prices regularly, and after covid, wildly. However, given other items hit hard by inflation, I am not sure that $80 (p4 k) is too much to pay for a few hours of joy for the warriors ($100/ p5 k gets LT is the better value if it includes 2 bangs? YMMV). Quite possibly price-wise, that might curtail the wild days of taking 2 A Santos girls for an afternoon 3-some ST, followed by an evening LT gogo girl. Ah, the good old days. The AC offset is that today's gogo girls are somewhat better looking than the 5 years pre-pandemic -- YMMV.

Also consider AC is a pay-first system, something we routinely tell newbs not to do, as there is no tip and no encouragement for the girl to stay LT; it encourages running. Which is better: 1) Paying half the Burgos amount in AC, with no control over when the girl departs? Or 2) Paying twice the AC amount in Burgos, utilizing the morning tip as control?


I had my pick of beauties in Cebu that were total non pros and totally happy with 1000 to 1500 Peso gifts.Yes. Me too. A number of Cebuanas posted in the PG. The good-old / bad-old days. The mind romanticizes the past, while focusing on the pain of today and ignoring the joys of today. Leading us to say later: "Didn't know how good it was until it was gone". If inflation or other market forces double the current prices a year from now for pinays, will we be pining for p5000 poon?

BKK is looking better?

[Goferring]

OTOH, the Burgos barfine prices. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I think the early 00's saw consistent barfine prices of p2700. Then sometime about 2010, they jumped across the board to either 3500 or 3900 in different bars (excepting Stardust which remained at p2500 until it closed). Quite a jump at once, from 2700 to 3500 is 30%, or from 2700 to 3900 is 44%. However, the needle hasn't moved. A decade or more later (and even after high inflation and pandemic), the price remains the same.You're correct but didn't include one important point. Burgos tips are substantial. We're not talking a couple of hundred like AC. Often a pretty girl will expect a LT tip more than the original barfine. In your timeline, girls started off happy with 2500 to 3000. Now she will expect double that. That's where the Burgos price increase has been: The gross price has gone from 7 k to nearly 10 k. The concept of the barfine being partly consumable has also gone so you can add lady and regular drinks to that too. Your night is going to be a solid 10+k.

Many will disagree with me (ref Lance and others' good time reports) but I still regard this as good value compared to AC barfines. 10 k gets me a better looking girl, english speaking, no history of runners and a significant proportion of at risk pay to ensure good performance and attitude vs 6 k where none of these are guaranteed and my history hasn't been good.

I've never sat down and thought of it but perhaps that's why Burgos is generally the only place I barfine now. If I'm going to pay multiples of an online or civilian girl, then I'm happy to pay extra (too much??) to ensure a good time.

As usual, YMMV.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

You're correct but didn't include one important point. Burgos tips are substantial. We're not talking a couple of hundred like AC. Often a pretty girl will expect a LT tip more than the original barfine. In your timeline, girls started off happy with 2500 to 3000. Now she will expect double that. That's where the Burgos price increase has been: The gross price has gone from 7 k to nearly 10 k. The concept of the barfine being partly consumable has also gone so you can add lady and regular drinks to that too. Your night is going to be a solid 10+k.Good points. It bears mentioning that all burgos gogo girls now ask a minimum tip equal to 5000*. Most are agreeable to discount that. The 5 k is just an asking amount. Hotties mentioned to me 6000 when I asked, and one mentioned 7000. Even the fuglies want 5000 tip. However that is a starting point and for most girls its easy to mention 1 k less and she will probably agree quickly. That's since the bars re-opened a year ago. These numbers are p1000 higher than the 2010-2020-ish tip requests.

Pre-covid, 2010-ish to covid start, barfines about p3900. I found the minimum asking amount was 4000 tip, negotiable down 1000 (or sometimes more). Hotties insisting on 6 k tip and not negotiating.

Prior to the barfine increase of 2010-ish. Barfines of 2700, and tip requests were 2500 for fuglies, 3000 for most gals, and 4000 for hotties.

So yes, in most instances, you could simply double the barfine amount and arrive at a rough estimate of the girl's costs. Those consumables started disappearing around 2015, one bar at a time.

For the entire pre-covid era, I was able to get many girls to confess that they often were willing to cut their initial tip request amount in half for a later ST. If she was asking a p4000 tip for a barfine, she was usually willing to go for a later afternoon date ST for 2 k or 2500.

* I went into Lips one Saturday evening, upstairs. A mama led me to a small booth on the side of the (pole) dance area and started shooing several girls out of it for me. I feigned needing to piss and waddled off to the CR, walking the long way around the dance area, slowly, taking in a multitude of girls. Easily 50, and half a dozen stuck out to me as so fugly that I thought: Not even with my beer goggles on! When I returned to my booth the mama was still waiting there for me, and sent a waitress off for my rum / coke, chatting me up for a bit and making sure that I got the drink. The place was jumping. There were several girls in the booth next to mine. The mama grabbed a hottie from the end and stood her up. I thought great, she's going to sit a hottie with me and I should buy her a LD. But no. The mama then grabbed the next girl in the booth, a fuglie, mid-30's and heavier than me, with a face that could sink Chinese war ships, and shoved the fugly in the booth next to me. Then the mama shoved the hottie back into her original booth. F*ck me, do I have RUBE written on my forehead?

The girl was the worst. She had her legs and arms crossed like she was cold. Awful attitude. It was her first nervous night in the bar. The usual hard-luck covid story. Angry at the men who'd effed her over before. I bought the fuglie a drink anyway. I asked her if the girls had talked to her about barfining. "Yes of course". Are you available (I was asking in the academic) to barfine? "Yes". How much tip do you want for a barfine? "5000". Its hard to hear that, as the pretty girl that didn't sit with me probably would have said 6 k. She's not the first fugly that mentioned 5 k to start. Are you willing to accept 4 k tip? "No never". As I was just out perving anyway: Waitress, BILL PLEASE! I went downstairs and perved with a cutie.

Fuglies in Alibi and (the now defunct) Lion's Pride bar also asked for 5 k tips.

One day, a decade or two going forward from now, someone in the Makati thread is going to write: "Effing they raised the Burgos barfines again. 12 k barfine and 15 k tips. And LD prices went up. Remember when the barfines were p3900 and tips were 5 k? We thought we'd died and gone to heaven!" Or something like that.

[Gorrion]

Hello, I continue to read this thread every day. Thank you all for the reports and information.

In July, I will be in Angeles City, but my first night in the Philippines will be spent in Makati near P. Burgos. What do you recommend for me to have company on that first night? Should I hire a freelancer or should I check out the bars in P. Burgos and barfine someone? I'm reading the latest posts and it seems like they're asking for a lot of money for a short-time in the bars. 10 K total for a short-time? Or am I mistaken?

Thanks again for the information and responses.

[Goferring]

In July, I will be in Angeles City, but my first night in the Philippines will be spent in Makati near P. Burgos. What do you recommend for me to have company on that first night? Should I hire a freelancer or should I check out the bars in P. Burgos and barfine someone? I'm reading the latest posts and it seems like they're asking for a lot of money for a short-time in the bars. 10 K total for a short-time? Or am I mistaken?

Thanks again for the information and responses.The best way to hook up is up to individual preferences. Ask five guys and get 7 answers. The big three are online, freelancer or bar. Online is cheaper but takes some work and misrepresentation is rife. The guy need to go find and select freelancers, they can be more hardened but again, they are a cheap option, sometimes very cheap. The bars are expensive but designed for short term visitors:. Some pretty girls, english speaking, low risk and the girl can be seen wearing next to nothing before selection. Don't forget that just because you go to look at one option, it doesn't mean you can't move into another if it doesn't suit you. I've been to Burgos, not seen anyone to my liking and gone home to grab a girl online.

Burgos never has been a cheap option. It's main market is businessmen who are in town for a few days and are prepared to pay for an enjoyable but risk free experience.

My 10 k was LT: 3900 barfine, 5000 tip and a few expensive (lady) drinks.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. Apologies for the thread drift but the same comments apply to AC.

[Goferring]

For the entire pre-covid era, I was able to get many girls to confess that they often were willing to cut their initial tip request amount in half for a later ST. If she was asking a p4000 tip for a barfine, she was usually willing to go for a later afternoon date ST for 2 k or 2500.One area that bars do excel is sneakouts. Assuming the guy isn't a complete animal during the first encounter, girls readily agree to an afternoon hook up, off the books, before work. In Burgos 10 k quickly becomes 3 k for a very attractive girl. The same option is available in AC.

After work is also an option for those who enjoy entertaining drunk girls, who have already been fucked three times, at 3 am. 🤮.

Perhaps not an option for the overnight warrior but fun for those who are in town longer.

Enjoy. G.

[Trillian]

A few words to try to help those that have not visited angeles or have not visited in multiple years.Thank you for such an amazing post. Thank you!

So, any recommendations for what cities to go for young, cute girls if you're not Korean?

[Expat American]

Also consider AC is a pay-first system, something we routinely tell newbs not to do, as there is no tip and no encouragement for the girl to stay LT; it encourages running. Which is better: 1) Paying half the Burgos amount in AC, with no control over when the girl departs? Or 2) Paying twice the AC amount in Burgos, utilizing the morning tip as control?

Yes. Me too. A number of Cebuanas posted in the PG. The good-old / bad-old days. The mind romanticizes the past, while focusing on the pain of today and ignoring the joys of today. Leading us to say later: "Didn't know how good it was until it was gone". If inflation or other market forces double the current prices a year from now for pinays, will we be pining for p5000 poon?

BKK is looking better?Ah the good old days perfectly described. I routinely did the Perimeter afternoon ST often with two girls, a LT gogo girl that I had to push out after breakfast, and could often fit in another Santos Street quicky all for about 100 USD. Apart from girls what's else is silly pricing is hotels. Again, in Cebu I stayed at 4 star hotels in Ayala area for 2500 Peso per night in an upgraded room. In AC now even places like Pacific Breeze want $70 USD per night. This is not a now vs then comparison but a now vs now comparison of two places in the same country. AC operates on its own economics, 100 Peso Trikes, 5000 Peso fucks, and 4000 Peso Hotel rooms. And yet people (including myself) keep coming back. Is it just nostalgia or is AC still a fun place? I think it still has its charms if you want a large variety of women, point and fuck convenience and guaranteed BBFS. Otherwise if you have time and want to play the game, Cebu is much better.

As for BKK? Its apples vs. Oranges. Thai women are a very different beast.

[Gorrion]

The best way to hook up is up to individual preferences. Ask five guys and get 7 answers. The big three are online, freelancer or bar. Thanks for your answer Goferring, you're absolutely right, those three options you mentioned are the ones I've used several times on my trips to Pattaya. I suppose the game will be similar in Angeles City, so I think I'll find women I like and suitable for my budget. Sometimes I'll go with a freelance, other times with ones I find online, and other times with girls from the bar. As for my night in Manila, I guess I'll take a stroll down P. Burgos and choose an option depending on what I see. I'm getting closer to being there! XD.

Regards.

[NapaSlapper]

Thank you for such an amazing post. Thank you!

So, any recommendations for what cities to go for young, cute girls if you're not Korean?Thanks for the compliment of my guide to Angeles for those that have not visited, it seems it was a hit with many.

Although a very few boast my Angeles girls are all young and good looking, they all stay long time and give excellent service at cheap prices my Angeles guide shows that if one is a westerner and is also a little bit fussy in his girl choice then Angeles might not be the best place to visit for fun, Koreans of course have much better luck with the few cuties that will actually barfine.

The only other larger bar areas I know of in the phills is manila, the girls mostly are a step up from the Angeles girls but here also you have the problem of Koreans, Japanese, Chinese being the most popular choice for the girls also expect to pay double the price, if quality girls is important then maybe the manila higher price and the pay after system is well worth it.

As far as other phills large bar girl areas there really is none, Cebu has a few bars but they are spread out, expensive and not great choice of girls.

Meeting pinays is a matter of how much time a punter has, want point and shoot then Angeles and manila has the bars, have a few weeks or months to spend in the phills then there is much more pretty girls all over the phills that are not pros, the girls working in the malls is a great place to start, bear in mind that non pro pinays take just as much time to get a date and into bed as good girls the world over.

Happy hunting.

[NapaSlapper]

At the risk of being called a 'dreamer' again for having a different view to yours, kissing is a my biggest turn-on and ALL eight of the girls I fucked on my recent trip to Angeles practically ate my face off they were so passionate.

You will of course suggest this is because the girls were old and ugly, your go-to stance whenever someone else is having better luck than you, but they were all 18-20 apart from a girl from Baccarat who was 24 and a freelancer who was 25.

Filipino girls are incredibly passionate creatures, way more so than their Thai counterparts.Kissing a girl is a turn on for most guys but not sure most guys would want to kiss a prostitute that makes a living out of sucking multiple strangers dicks that have cum in her mouth, maybe even moments before one kissed her, but each to their own tastes.

[Sir Lancelot]

Kissing a girl is a turn on for most guys but not sure most guys would want to kiss a prostitute that makes a living out of sucking multiple strangers dicks that have cum in her mouth, maybe even moments before one kissed her, but each to their own tastes.If you follow your flawed logic then why have sex with any girl in Angeles?

[Sir Lancelot]

Thank you for such an amazing post. Thank you!

So, any recommendations for what cities to go for young, cute girls if you're not Korean?There are plenty of young, cute girls in Angeles. Sadly Napa struggles to find them but the large majority of people who have left reports recently, myself included, have had plenty of luck finding pretty 18-22 year old girls. You don't need to be Korean, you just need to smile and have good vibes. Angeles is like a sweet shop at the moment.

[Mongoose312]

Is that tiny little bar. I think "Party Bar" still kicking on A Santos? I loved that little rat-hole. Those girls are hit and miss but sometimes you find a diamond, and barfines are so low that there's not a lot of buyers remorse if she turns into a starfish.

[Dg8787]

There are plenty of young, cute girls in Angeles. Sadly Napa struggles to find them but the large majority of people who have left reports recently, myself included, have had plenty of luck finding pretty 18-22 year old girls. You don't need to be Korean, you just need to smile and have good vibes. Angeles is like a sweet shop at the moment.Yes, NS has scared off the never been to AC. Those that have been experience a different reality.

I will be back soon and already have a few new 18-20 yo lined up thru the Friends and Family Plan. Along with some of the previous ones. My card is so booked up that I may not need to step in to a bar on this upcoming trip.

NS, please post some pictures of your girls so we can establish a baseline of 7-8-9-10 beauties.

[D Cups]

Yes, NS has scared off the never been to AC. Those that have been experience a different reality.

I will be back soon and already have a few new 18-20 yo lined up thru the Friends and Family Plan. Along with some of the previous ones. My card is so booked up that I may not need to step in to a bar on this upcoming trip.

NS, please post some pictures of your girls so we can establish a baseline of 7-8-9-10 beauties.Napa Slapper and Choca Momger may well be the same person.

[WestCoast1]

NS, please post some pictures of your girls so we can establish a baseline of 7-8-9-10 beauties."Picture Guy" concurs. Post one of each please, for reference purposes.

[NapaSlapper]

There are plenty of young, cute girls in Angeles. Sadly Napa struggles to find them but the large majority of people who have left reports recently, myself included, have had plenty of luck finding pretty 18-22 year old girls. You don't need to be Korean, you just need to smile and have good vibes. Angeles is like a sweet shop at the moment.I think you will find in the real workd every one has a taste in girls, some guys have great taste and some guys have terrible taste in girls.

Have many bar hop friends that can't find what they like in a angeles bars and also have a couple who find multiple girls they like, depending on a guys taste in women will directly affect the girls one will find or not in the bars.

Its very easy for guys to claim on a faceless board, my girls were stunners, my girls were all young, my girls looked like a famous model etc but the same guys never post a photo of such.

Why are photos important.

The reason photos are important when guys claim to find stunners in the bars of Angeles is to help the board and its members to decide if that quality of girl is worth spending thousands of dollars and a very long trip only to be disappointed in what they actually find once there, so very important I would say, after all, this board is called international sex guide for a reason, that reason is for board members to advise others on the type of girls that can be found and photos would play a big part in that of course, as they say, a photo is worth a 1000 words.

As far as your claim that angeles is like a sweet shop at the moment I'm confused how you would know considering your very short trip was some weeks ago and your now back in the uk, angeles and girls change day to day, a cute girl in a bar today might not be working there tomorrow, so unless one is actually here then no way of knowing what's happening on the ground as of today, to claim anything else would be misleading.