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NapaSlapper
03-12-23, 01:41
Yes, NS has scared off the never been to AC. Those that have been experience a different reality.
I will be back soon and already have a few new 18-20 yo lined up thru the Friends and Family Plan. Along with some of the previous ones. My card is so booked up that I may not need to step in to a bar on this upcoming trip.
NS, please post some pictures of your girls so we can establish a baseline of 7-8-9-10 beauties.If you had read my recent posts I clearly state that I use the bars for socialising with friends and business outings, I do not barfine from the bars as my type of girls in the bars are mostly drinks only girls or virgins, as you well know, photos in the bars are stricty forbidden so not sure why your asking me to photograph the girls in the bar.
I think its the guys like your good self that claim that there are stunners in angeles to meet should be posting photos for reference, a couple of thousand posts and not one photo of your claims to stunners.
Photos don't have to be naked, I and I'm sure many others will be looking forward to seeing what you guys call stunners.
NapaSlapper
03-12-23, 03:00
If you follow your flawed logic then why have sex with any girl in Angeles?I think you will find that not all girls that live in the greater Angeles area are prostitutes, in fact only a minute percentage are such.
Those of us that live and work here on a permanent basis including many expat friends have the time to meet and date girls that have nothing to do with prostitution.
Of course I and many enjoy kissing and having sex with our own girlfriends and wives that have nothing to do with the bars, but to stick my tongue into a pros mouth, not for all the tea in China thanks, ill leave that to others that enjoy such.
There are plenty of young, cute girls in Angeles. Sadly Napa struggles to find them ....
Yes, NS has scared off the never been to AC. Those that have been experience a different reality.I don't know what you guys are complaining about. We should be rallying our support behind Mr Slappa. I remember when Mindanao was far too scary and out of the way for monger visitors. Didn't that play right into the hands of the brave few fortunate to live or visit there!
Now repeat after me: "AC is a shithole, where only Koreans get passable girls. The only option to get laid is to settle for cast offs in the bars. Besides the overpriced bars, there is no other way to get laid in town. ".
Remember that the more we spread the word and stay on key, the more there will be for us. 😜.
Enjoy. G.
NapaSlapper
03-12-23, 09:15
I don't know what you guys are complaining about. We should be rallying our support behind Mr Slappa. I remember when Mindanao was far too scary and out of the way for monger visitors. Didn't that play right into the hands of the brave few fortunate to live or visit there!
Now repeat after me: "AC is a shithole, where only Koreans get passable girls. The only option to get laid is to settle for cast offs in the bars. Besides the overpriced bars, there is no other way to get laid in town. ".
Remember that the more we spread the word and stay on key, the more there will be for us. 😜.
Enjoy. G.Never knew that Mindanao was a paradise for bars and girls last time I was there there were only 2 bars with girls, both bars called lips, was not impressed, even Angeles is far better.
On the subject of Angeles, I think you will find that most punters are Koreans / Asians, the western punters deserted Angeles for good reason years before covid so any claims of one is bad mouthing Angeles to keep punters away is delusional.
Koreans visit Angeles for very short periods mainly for golf, the casinos and business meetings, bars and mongering is far down the list of wants, although they do visit the bars on occasions, so no amount of trying to keep Angeles bars to ones self will stop the Koreans / Asians visiting in high number because they are going to come anyways.
As far as no other way to get laid in Angeles you previously said that you don't often visit Angeles and if you do you do not go to the bars but you rely on other means to get your girls, mostly online, there obviously must be a reason you do not get your girls from the bars, maybe I'm right all along in saying Angeles bars offer little to the little bit fussy punter? Other wise you would visit and get your girls from the bars.
For guys like myself and most other Angeles expats we have the time and invest that time in securing nice looking non pros for live in girlfriends or wives, most even have a book of back up non pros, hence our reluctance to lower our standards in the bars, most don't need to as are happy with what they have at home.
I am truly happy to leave all the bar runners, drinks only girls, Korean only girls, cherrie girls and the pay before barfines to those that want to visit and take part in what the bars offer.
DandyMan51
03-12-23, 09:53
Disclaimer: This is a list of my personal favorite bars to go to. It is holistic but some of the things I factor in are ambiance, service quality of the servers, quality of the girls appearances, and overall fun I have had. I don't consider things like price or quality of the girls service. Naturally YMMV as everyone has different tastes. I haven't been to all of the bars so there may be some excellent ones I haven't noted.
Honorable mentions:
Cosplay bar- The name says it all. The girls are in cosplay which I quite enjoy. Nothing special about it beyond that but something a bit different.
Gold bar- I have seen this place with a number of quite attractive girls on stage and the place generally looks pretty nice but the girls seemed bored and I really can't find myself enjoying it. Maybe a good place to barfine an attractive girl and leave but not a place I could stay for long.
Q bar- This place gets a spot here because of the DJ. I only visited once but when the DJ heard I love Latino music he basically played only that for the duration I was there. Quality of the girls is ok but I kept getting harassed for drinks which annoyed me.
Top 5:
5. Arabesque- The place has some performances which are pretty good and a good number of girls. It tends to be one of the first places I visit as many of the more attractive girls get barfined early.
4. Club Sky- What set club sky apart for me was the MC. He breathed energy into the place and I feel like the girls reciprocated. I sang karaoke with some of the girls while there and they seemed to be having fun.
3. Dollhouse- Probably the best typical gogo bar out there. They don't really have any special performances but they do have presentations for each of the girls which are pretty cool. High number of girls means you are likely to find someone you like and service has generally been pretty good. Second floor is nice with the dance cages. Definitely recommend for first time visitors, just not my personal favorite bar.
2. XS- Objectively, this place is probably better than my number one but I haven't visited enough times to place it higher. It also tends to get rather full making it hard to snag a table. This place feels like a club though you don't have to pay for the tables outside of your drink. Very similar to my number one and a number of the girls from my number one come from XS. The place also has very good performances, high quality girls and high quality service.
1. Avalon- I absolutely love this place. Part of it comes down to the fact that my favorite girl (who I barfined three times already, works there). Though the other part of it comes down to their performances. The dancers do three sets a night and I genuinely enjoy them as they are well choreographed and honestly something I would consider paying for even outside of a gogo bar. Not all the girls can be barfined including some of the most beautiful ones. This place tends to be more Korean oriented but I tend to have similar tastes to the Koreans so I'm not complaining. My recommendation would be to go to Dollhouse if you want to barfine but come here if you want to watch some pretty cool performances.
Overall:
Tonight will be my last night in both AC and the Philippines potentially for a while. There are definitely pros and cons to this place. I am happy I visited here but am not sure if / when I will come back. Prices are also comparatively high. Between lady drinks, personal drinks, hotel, transportation, food and tips I tended to spend between $150-$200/ day here. Girls tend to be hit or miss but you won't know for sure until you have already invested over $100 into them. I will likely post a full review on my thoughts on AC sometime in the near future.
Disclaimer: This is a list of my personal favorite bars to go to. It is holistic but some of the things I factor in are ambiance, service quality of the servers, quality of the girls appearances, and overall fun I have had. I don't consider things like price or quality of the girls service. Naturally YMMV as everyone has different tastes. I haven't been to all of the bars so there may be some excellent ones I haven't noted.
Honorable mentions:
Cosplay bar- The name says it all. The girls are in cosplay which I quite enjoy. Nothing special about it beyond that but something a bit different.
Gold bar- I have seen this place with a number of quite attractive girls on stage and the place generally looks pretty nice but the girls seemed bored and I really can't find myself enjoying it. Maybe a good place to barfine an attractive girl and leave but not a place I could stay for long.
Q bar- This place gets a spot here because of the DJ. I only visited once but when the DJ heard I love Latino music he basically played only that for the duration I was there. Quality of the girls is ok but I kept getting harassed for drinks which annoyed me.
Top 5:
5. Arabesque- The place has some performances which are pretty good and a good number of girls. It tends to be one of the first places I visit as many of the more attractive girls get barfined early.
4. Club Sky- What set club sky apart for me was the MC. He breathed energy into the place and I feel like the girls reciprocated. I sang karaoke with some of the girls while there and they seemed to be having fun.
3. Dollhouse- Probably the best typical gogo bar out there. They don't really have any special performances but they do have presentations for each of the girls which are pretty cool. High number of girls means you are likely to find someone you like and service has generally been pretty good. Second floor is nice with the dance cages. Definitely recommend for first time visitors, just not my personal favorite bar.
2. XS- Objectively, this place is probably better than my number one but I haven't visited enough times to place it higher. It also tends to get rather full making it hard to snag a table. This place feels like a club though you don't have to pay for the tables outside of your drink. Very similar to my number one and a number of the girls from my number one come from XS. The place also has very good performances, high quality girls and high quality service.
1. Avalon- I absolutely love this place. Part of it comes down to the fact that my favorite girl (who I barfined three times already, works there). Though the other part of it comes down to their performances. The dancers do three sets a night and I genuinely enjoy them as they are well choreographed and honestly something I would consider paying for even outside of a gogo bar. Not all the girls can be barfined including some of the most beautiful ones. This place tends to be more Korean oriented but I tend to have similar tastes to the Koreans so I'm not complaining. My recommendation would be to go to Dollhouse if you want to barfine but come here if you want to watch some pretty cool performances.
Overall:
Tonight will be my last night in both AC and the Philippines potentially for a while. There are definitely pros and cons to this place. I am happy I visited here but am not sure if / when I will come back. Prices are also comparatively high. Between lady drinks, personal drinks, hotel, transportation, food and tips I tended to spend between $150-$200/ day here. Girls tend to be hit or miss but you won't know for sure until you have already invested over $100 into them. I will likely post a full review on my thoughts on AC sometime in the near future.I met some really nice Koreans. Said no one ever.
If you had read my recent posts I clearly state that I use the bars for socialising with friends and business outings, I do not barfine from the bars as my type of girls in the bars are mostly drinks only girls or virgins, as you well know, photos in the bars are stricty forbidden so not sure why your asking me to photograph the girls in the bar.
I think its the guys like your good self that claim that there are stunners in angeles to meet should be posting photos for reference, a couple of thousand posts and not one photo of your claims to stunners.
Photos don't have to be naked, I and I'm sure many others will be looking forward to seeing what you guys call stunners.Yes, your business with 200 employees that you had continued to pay their full salaries during the year long lockdown. Quite admirable of you! Also your claim that no one was starving during the lockdown.
My posts speak for itself from actual experience. I merely ask you to post some pictures so there could be a baseline for further comparison on your behalf. I am happy with who I barfine as most other guys.
If you really want to see, I will let you hide behind the curtain in the hotel room the next time I am fucking an AC bar girl and get your rating.
WestCoast1
03-12-23, 15:04
I've had a fantastic time in Angeles and met some beautiful girls. People who continually drone on about the lack of pretty girls are either incredibly short-sighted or have an agenda to discourage people from visiting (financial stake in a bar in Pattaya perhaps?). There are plenty of lookers and almost every bar has a hidden gem or two. Certainly in some respects the place is still bouncing back after covid but if you come to Angeles you will have no shortage of great girls and great sex.
I think you will find in the real workd every one has a taste in girls, some guys have great taste and some guys have terrible taste in girls. Have many bar hop friends that can't find what they like in a angeles bars and also have a couple who find multiple girls they like, depending on a guys taste in women will directly affect the girls one will find or not in the bars.A related thing. I was going to move this to the Manila thread, as the following happened in Manila (just pre-covid). But it bears out in AC also.
"Bob" (not real name) was a foreigner who I saw 1-2 times a day in my condo lobby or elevator, or walking nearby the condo or mall. Bald, late 60's, in good shape. For a few weeks we just nodded towards each other as we passed each other. One day he was at the front desk inquiring about something, and so was I. He introduced himself as Bob, we shook hands. He seems a good guy. Just a diar-bump and he was off somewhere. After that it was back to nods or "Morning Bob / Westy" in the lobby, nothing more. My vaxxing clinic was moving girls in / out most days but I never saw Bob with anyone. I assumed he had an asawa in his unit.
One night at LAC I entered and went upstairs to peruse, then back downstairs and circumnavigated the round bar. At the rear near the pool table was Bob. He saw me and he moved the girl sitting next to him off a chair and motioned for me to sit with him. I ordered a drink and we kind of quietly sat and oggled the ladies. A cutie went by and I said to him: How about that one? "Nah". A bit later a girl walked by and he said: "That one". She was an attractive 8+ on my scale (I thought my original cutie was just as attractive). My drink arrived and then Bob's 8+ walked by arm-in-arm with a solid 9, and Bob said "THAT ONE!" We laughed. Another girl walked by that I liked and he said: "No". We had both different tastes. We finished and ordered another drink, chatting. Another girl walked by and he said: "That one". Another 8+ on my scale. Go team Bob.
It took us another 20-30 minutes to finish another drink, and I pointed out several more cuties. Bob: "Nah" to all of them. Then the 9 walked by again. Hey Bob, why don't you go get her? Call her over and I will give up my seat for her to sit down. Chat her up. "No. Why don't YOU go get her?" Sorry, I'm just perving tonight, my girl drained my twice this afternoon. I need some rest and I'm heading back to the condo soon. She's all yours. "Well. I do like several girls here. But there aren't enough". Not enough? You pointed out several ladies so far. "No. I prefer 9 or 10 girls to make a choice from. I like a bigger selection. I need to see them".
I was somewhat surprised by what he said. He needs a selection of girls, visible in front of him, to choose from? Like going to a casa or fishbowl? I suggested that he go to a casa as there are some in the area. "I have been. They have girls but they don't have enough girls like those" (pointing to the 8+ and the 9). "That's why I come here on weekends. You can see a lot like those here sometimes". He really DID need a selection of 9's. 7's were not good enough. One 9 and several 8+ were not good enough. I excused myself and taxi'd home.
Another day I was walking out thru the lobby and Bob was walking in. Did you take a girl from LAC? "No. Not enough selection. I taxi'd home after you left". I see. We walked away, and for months I saw Bob almost everyday, always alone. Thus ends my Bob story.
So. Both pre- and post-covid, I've seen FR's (AC, Burgos, etc) where a gent says something like this: "Went into BAR #1, saw only 1 do-able girl, walked out. Went into BAR #2 and had a drink, they had 3 do-able girls and I left. Went into BAR #3 and they had 5 do-able girls. Had a drink with a hottie, but the vibe was wrong, so I bounced. Went into BAR #4 but they only had 3 do-able girls, so I had a couple drinks and just watched the girls. Was getting drunk and went home alone. The bars are a shadow of before, so many fuglies now".
I interrupt this broadcast for an old joke. A hurricane is coming and the homes in the area will flood. The TV news tells everyone to evacuate. A local says: "God will keep me safe". Police vehicles come thru the neighborhood and loudspeaker for everyone to evacuate, offering to take anyone out with them. The local guy says to the police: "God will keep me safe!" The local doesn't evacuate. The rains come and the guy has to crawl onto his roof to stay away from the rising water. A Coast Guard boat comes along and tells the guy to climb down and they will take him away, but he cries out: "God will save me!" Later an Army helicopter comes along and tries to save the gent, but he refuses to go: "God will save me!" Later, as the flood water rises above his home and sweeps him away, he cries out: "God! Save me!" God replies: "Hey, I tried. I sent you a policeman, a car, a boat, and then a helicopter. They are all gone now. Sorry, but don't you think you should have paid attention?" Local: But Lord. . .
When I see gents saying they need 10 girls to see at once (Bob, LAC). Or that they saw 1 do-able bargirl, then 3, then 5, then 3, all in the same night, it says to me that he ignored 10-12 beauties (no kidding, blaming the bars for the decline in skinny flesh), losing a beauty -- tonight! -- to gain some rum / coke buzz. I want to say: You are OK with THIS happening on your 2-week warrior timeframe? Failure to capitalize in a target-rich environment that you don't have at home? I am with Sir Lance: There are enough attractive girls in most every bar (it only takes 1 lady) that most every gent will find something. If you can't find it in THIS bar, then you will find it in THAT bar. If you see 1 or more that floats your boat in each of several different bars and you don't take any of them, shouldn't you have paid attention? We often talk about the Western woman's sense of entitlement. What about ours?
We have established the large % of 1-2-week punters (often splitting 1 week each in Burgos / AC), who utilize the bars and SW as their only venue for hunting. At the same time I watch them not take advantage of the bars or SW. Its difficult to watch the fellas complain about barfine prices (I don't like the AC price increase either), then go to AC anyway and not take a girl (of the several that he likes) because of flesh decline or high prices. If a bar has 30 girls, and (to you) 5 are do-able girls out of the 30 gals (25 fuglies); isn't that the same as 30 do-able girls out of 30 do-able girls? You are only looking for 1 girl at a time (unless you are like that perv Westy guy and need a 3-some). Eventually you end up like Bob. TALK ABOUT ENTITLEMENT!
LoneRangers
03-12-23, 15:08
I met some really nice Koreans. Said no one ever.Jealousy is a stinky cologne Beavis. I've met plenty of nice Koreans, just because we don't like how they spend their money doesn't mean they're bad people.
Expat American
03-12-23, 16:32
A related thing. I was going to move this to the Manila thread, as the following happened in Manila (just pre-covid). But it bears out in AC also.
"Bob" (not real name) was a foreigner who I saw 1-2 times a day in my condo lobby or elevator, or walking nearby the condo or mall. Bald, late 60's, in good shape. For a few weeks we just nodded towards each other as we passed each other. One day he was at the front desk inquiring about something, and so was I. He introduced himself as Bob, we shook hands. He seems a good guy. Just a diar-bump and he was off somewhere. After that it was back to nods or "Morning Bob / Westy" in the lobby, nothing more. My vaxxing clinic was moving girls in / out most days but I never saw Bob with anyone. I assumed he had an asawa in his unit.
One night at LAC I entered and went upstairs to peruse, then back downstairs and circumnavigated the round bar. At the rear near the pool table was Bob. He saw me and he moved the girl sitting next to him off a chair and motioned for me to sit with him. I ordered a drink and we kind of quietly sat and oggled the ladies. A cutie went by and I said to him: How about that one? "Nah". A bit later a girl walked by and he said: "That one". She was an attractive 8+ on my scale (I thought my original cutie was just as attractive). My drink arrived and then Bob's 8+ walked by arm-in-arm with a solid 9, and Bob said "THAT ONE!" We laughed. Another girl walked by that I liked and he said: "No". We had both different tastes. We finished and ordered another drink, chatting. Another girl walked by and he said: "That one". Another 8+ on my scale. Go team Bob.
It took us another 20-30 minutes to finish another drink, and I pointed out several more cuties. Bob: "Nah" to all of them. Then the 9 walked by again. Hey Bob, why don't you go get her? Call her over and I will give up my seat for her to sit down. Chat her up. "No. Why don't YOU go get her?" Sorry, I'm just perving tonight, my girl drained my twice this afternoon. I need some rest and I'm heading back to the condo soon. She's all yours. "Well. I do like several girls here. But there aren't enough". Not enough? You pointed out several ladies so far. "No. I prefer 9 or 10 girls to make a choice from. I like a bigger selection. I need to see them".
I was somewhat surprised by what he said. He needs a selection of girls, visible in front of him, to choose from? Like going to a casa or fishbowl? I suggested that he go to a casa as there are some in the area. "I have been. They have girls but they don't have enough girls like those" (pointing to the 8+ and the 9). "That's why I come here on weekends. You can see a lot like those here sometimes". He really DID need a selection of 9's. 7's were not good enough. One 9 and several 8+ were not good enough. I excused myself and taxi'd home.
Another day I was walking out thru the lobby and Bob was walking in. Did you take a girl from LAC? "No. Not enough selection. I taxi'd home after you left". I see. We walked away, and for months I saw Bob almost everyday, always alone. Thus ends my Bob story.
So. Both pre- and post-covid, I've seen FR's (AC, Burgos, etc) where a gent says something like this: "Went into BAR #1, saw only 1 do-able girl, walked out. Went into BAR #2 and had a drink, they had 3 do-able girls and I left. Went into BAR #3 and they had 5 do-able girls. Had a drink with a hottie, but the vibe was wrong, so I bounced. Went into BAR #4 but they only had 3 do-able girls, so I had a couple drinks and just watched the girls. Was getting drunk and went home alone. The bars are a shadow of before, so many fuglies now".
I interrupt this broadcast for an old joke. A hurricane is coming and the homes in the area will flood. The TV news tells everyone to evacuate. A local says: "God will keep me safe". Police vehicles come thru the neighborhood and loudspeaker for everyone to evacuate, offering to take anyone out with them. The local guy says to the police: "God will keep me safe!" The local doesn't evacuate. The rains come and the guy has to crawl onto his roof to stay away from the rising water. A Coast Guard boat comes along and tells the guy to climb down and they will take him away, but he cries out: "God will save me!" Later an Army helicopter comes along and tries to save the gent, but he refuses to go: "God will save me!" Later, as the flood water rises above his home and sweeps him away, he cries out: "God! Save me!" God replies: "Hey, I tried. I sent you a policeman, a car, a boat, and then a helicopter. They are all gone now. Sorry, but don't you think you should have paid attention?" Local: But Lord. . .
When I see gents saying they need 10 girls to see at once (Bob, LAC). Or that they saw 1 do-able bargirl, then 3, then 5, then 3, all in the same night, it says to me that he ignored 10-12 beauties (no kidding, blaming the bars for the decline in skinny flesh), losing a beauty -- tonight! -- to gain some rum / coke buzz. I want to say: You are OK with THIS happening on your 2-week warrior timeframe? Failure to capitalize in a target-rich environment that you don't have at home? I am with Sir Lance: There are enough attractive girls in most every bar (it only takes 1 lady) that most every gent will find something. If you can't find it in THIS bar, then you will find it in THAT bar. If you see 1 or more that floats your boat in each of several different bars and you don't take any of them, shouldn't you have paid attention? We often talk about the Western woman's sense of entitlement. What about ours?
We have established the large % of 1-2-week punters (often splitting 1 week each in Burgos / AC), who utilize the bars and SW as their only venue for hunting. At the same time I watch them not take advantage of the bars or SW. Its difficult to watch the fellas complain about barfine prices (I don't like the AC price increase either), then go to AC anyway and not take a girl (of the several that he likes) because of flesh decline or high prices. If a bar has 30 girls, and (to you) 5 are do-able girls out of the 30 gals (25 fuglies); isn't that the same as 30 do-able girls out of 30 do-able girls? You are only looking for 1 girl at a time (unless you are like that perv Westy guy and need a 3-some). Eventually you end up like Bob. TALK ABOUT ENTITLEMENT!This Bob. Bob flew 8000 miles and paid thousands of dollars to come to the Philippines. Bob is very picky and can't find a girl to fuck among thousands of young available women. Bob goes back to his hotel every night and jerks off. Don't be like Bob.
LoveItHere69
03-12-23, 17:02
Photos don't have to be naked, I and I'm sure many others will be looking forward to seeing what you guys call stunners.Where the hell are your pictures? You keep mouthing off but do not practice what you preach.
I will not post pictures because someone will know her and tell her picture was posted on this site so I will lose my turn. If I post a picture and she is indeed hot, someone will surely know her and post where to find her. Thus, I lose my turn. Many guys are delusional in thinking they are not with prostitutes. They are dating good girls. Mr. 14,000 posts who blabs about the doctors and lawyers he dates posted a picture of one of his GFs. Many guys posted back that they had been with her. Ego crushed. I asked him to post more of his GFs but guess he learned his lesson about posting pix. He still thinks he is dating doctors and lawyers though. Another reason I do not post pix is that I do not want to ruin free money these girls are receiving from their stupid Save-A-Ho contributors.
LoveItHere69
03-12-23, 17:16
"Bob" (not real name) was a foreigner who I saw 1-2 times a day in my condo lobby or elevator, or walking nearby the condo or mall. For a few weeks we just nodded towards each other as we passed each other. My vaxxing clinic was moving girls in / out most days but I never saw Bob with anyone. Bob may be staying at a friends condo for free because he has no money. With no money he can not pay for 9's and 10's. He may be brave and talk all kinds of game but actually be afraid to approach women. Bob may not be able to get it up and thus can only window shop. I do not care that you talked to him or that you like him. Bob is a liar. I have ran into each one of these type of guys in the past. I do not care what anyone's taste is because you can find it. I do believe the largest selection of girls can easily be found in Bangkok or Pattaya. He could go there. At age 60 time starts running out faster than money. No way someone is at Pussy Central waiting for 9's and 10's and willing to pass on an 8 and be alone.
Sir Lancelot
03-12-23, 17:48
photos in the bars are stricty forbidden so not sure why your asking me to photograph the girls in the bar.So while you repeatedly call everyone else to verify the beauty of their girls by posting photographic evidence, you refuse to do so yourself because you, a long-term resident in Angeles lest we forget, apparently hasn't got one single photo of a beautiful girl he's been with? Hmm.
I do not barfine from the bars as my type of girls in the bars are mostly drinks only girls or virgins.
Runners is one of the most common problems in angeles as many members have said, girls often will promise long time in the bar to secure the deal only to have her clothes on after the 1st pop, nothing can be done about it, no money back from the bar and complain too much and that little princess might cry rape, just let her go is the sensible option.Blow jobs, is getting more rare, especially amongst the younger lookers same for kissing and letting one go down on her, some might allow but don't expect it as normal practise.
And there we have it. You've frequently complained on this forum about poor service from girls and midnight runners (see the bottom quote, from your recent guide to Angeles) and yet it transpires that our resident 'expert' doesn't actually barfine. Why make things up?
DandyMan51
03-12-23, 18:05
Disclaimer: I am writing this while still somewhat drunk from the night. Please excuse any typos or incoherencies.
My last night in Angeles City and the Philippines. I message fellow ISG member Jusride, a solid wingman who I recommend to anyone else on this board, who is going to barfine one of his favorite girls from dollhouse and take her to dinner. We plan on meeting for barhopping later. I decide to go out at around 7:30, a bit early in my opinion but I wanted to see if I could get a girl early. To my surprise I see a number of guys, mainly Koreans, with some very nice eye candy on my trike ride to walking street. In my mind, I think that there must be something special about tonight with so many attractive girls available. Even as I get to walking street I see a number of attractive girls with guys. As I walk into some of the bars, my opinion quickly changes. It was rather bad. Perhaps one of the worst nights I have seen since I have come to AC. I stop by a number of bars, some just to see the selection and some where I have a drink (San Mig Light). Though I don't find anything I particularly like. In my travels I learn that 10 girls have been barfined from XS (an hour after they opened) and 5 girls have been barfined from Avalon in a similar timeframe which explains some of the attractive girls I saw during my entrance to walking street. My final stop is Avalon which I have posted on before. I sit down with a beer and ask for A, my previous multiple time barfine. I am told that she isn't feeling well and is not available and that she will be performing but will likely go home after her performances. Perhaps this is true, perhaps I pissed her off the last time we met, I don't know but it appears I would not be having A for my last night. I sit to watch some performances and in the mean time Jusride finds me in Avalon and sits with me with his girl. I call another girl from the stage over and we talk for a bit. She finishes her drink and she tells me she is going to the bathroom. She goes to the bathroom but then immediately goes back on stage. To me this is unacceptable. I would have considered barfining her but this kind of behavior to me indicates and negative experiences in the future. I continue watching shows and I find one girl I like but am told she is on her period. After the second show, Jusride and his girl head to dollhouse while I stay for the third show. After the third show I am told there will be a fourth and final show for the night after which the dancers will come on stage and be available either for drinks or barfine, depending on the girl. I decide I have had enough. There were some pretty dancers but at this point I have had enough alcohol to be ok with not taking a girl home. I was pretty close to falling asleep and frankly I preferred saving my pesos rather than risk a negative experience. I visited Jusride in dollhouse where his girl tried to hook me up with a girl there. I passed and quickly left to go back to my hotel where I now lie on my bed to write this report. I messaged A on facebook to get some closure on my side as I hoped to at least say a goodbye to her today. Honestly, I write this report as my own personal catharsis rather than trying to add any sort of value to the forum. Though I hope some others may find some useful information from here.
In the end, in AC there are good days and there are bad days. There seems to be some debate between forum users on how good it is in AC and I can understand both sides of it. Some days there are tons of pretty girls and you have a great experience with one of them. Some days you take a pretty girl out, think you did all the right things, only for the experience to be bad once you hit the bedroom. Some days you realize that all the good talent was scooped up by 7 PM and you have little to work with. Depending on the trip and your luck, you may find that some or all of these things happen to you. I wish I had better closure to the trip but in the end I think this was the push I needed to explore other places. I will be travelling to HK tomorrow and potentially to Thailand after that. I have heard from many that Pattaya is better than AC and Bangkok than Manila so I hope to see for myself.
Happy Mongering to all.
Update: A replied back to my facebook message and was sorry about not being able to see me though promised to call when she felt better.
WestCoast1
03-12-23, 22:32
Bob may be staying at a friends condo for free because he has no money. With no money he can not pay for 9's and 10's.You are making a guess. Given the expensive digs where Bob was living, and I didn't see him with any 'friend', there is no evidence of what you are suggesting.
He may be brave and talk all kinds of game but actually be afraid to approach women. Maybe. Another guess.
Bob may not be able to get it up and thus can only window shop. Another guess.
I do not care that you talked to him or that you like him. Haha I LOVE being dismissed out of hand! How you or I feel about him does not change the fact that he's picky.
Bob is a liar. Another guess.
I have ran into each one of these type of guys in the past. Yes, me also.
I do not care what anyone's taste is because you can find it. Finally we agree on something. Anyone being able to find something to his taste is exactly the point of my post. But NS says that some of his biz buddies come into AC and can't find a single beauty. My thought is that their level of pickiness is quite high. To each his own.
I do believe the largest selection of girls can easily be found in Bangkok or Pattaya. He could go there. Agreed. And we discussed Thailand. I think Bob would have had a better time that night in a Burgos bar (or Patts), but that's not where we were sitting. I can not control that another guy was in LAC (and not in Thailand) that evening.
No way someone is at Pussy Central waiting for 9's and 10's and willing to pass on an 8 and be alone.Another guess. And NS might disagree with you.
I am going to the proctologist now, as its possible that a fairy is about to fly out of my ass. Maybe.
Mongoose312
03-12-23, 22:44
In the end, in AC there are good days and there are bad days. There seems to be some debate between forum users on how good it is in AC and I can understand both sides of it. Some days there are tons of pretty girls and you have a great experience with one of them. Some days you take a pretty girl out, think you did all the right things, only for the experience to be bad once you hit the bedroom. Some days you realize that all the good talent was scooped up by 7 PM and you have little to work with. Depending on the trip and your luck, you may find that some or all of these things happen to you. I wish I had better closure to the trip but in the end I think this was the push I needed to explore other places. I will be travelling to HK tomorrow and potentially to Thailand after that. I have heard from many that Pattaya is better than AC and Bangkok than Manila so I hope to see for myself.
Pattaya is better in most ways but AC has some strengths (BBFS). I think I could put up with many of the negatives (K-Mongers) if it wasn't such a bleak city- but maaan it's really a shithole.
Thanks for your reporting.
AsianPursuits
03-13-23, 00:01
In the end, in AC there are good days and there are bad days. There seems to be some debate between forum users on how good it is in AC and I can understand both sides of it. Some days there are tons of pretty girls and you have a great experience with one of them. Some days you take a pretty girl out, think you did all the right things, only for the experience to be bad once you hit the bedroom. Thanks for sharing. I remember one particular "last night" in AC where I was having a night like you but no way was I going to let it end alone. I walked up and down WS until I accepted my fate and just barfined anyone just so I wouldn't be alone. I don't remember the girl which may have been a good thing.
My 'logic' at the time was no mater how much I spent it was going to be less than a 60 minute massages in my home town.
NapaSlapper
03-13-23, 01:13
Jealousy is a stinky cologne Beavis. I've met plenty of nice Koreans, just because we don't like how they spend their money doesn't mean they're bad people.Fully agree, most koreans I meet and barhop with are great guys and fun to be around.
The reason why many hate on koreans is that while the koreans have nice looking girls on their arm most westerners can only dream of such when visiting the bars of angeles.
Its called good old fasioned jelousy and envy.
NapaSlapper
03-13-23, 01:45
Thanks for your reports, dandyman, very interesting and balanced.
Yes its true to say that the koreans are many times the girls prefered choice and that many girls only barfine with koreans, I notice you also say that many of the top angeles girls do not barfine at all with anyone, that is also so true.
Angeles is what it is, when I party with koreans the girls go crazy, when I party with westerners the same girls in the same bars pay little attention if any.
You did nothing wrong on your last night, girls are girls, they choose who and when.
You did the correct thing in being man enough to see that you were not going to get what you want as far as girl choice and return home alone, no shame in that, rather alone than with something low class as many would have done.
Angeles is what it is, yes its possible to get laid but not always able to pry away the lookers from the koreans and the girls high comission lady drinks.
Happy future mongering.
NapaSlapper
03-13-23, 02:24
So while you repeatedly call everyone else to verify the beauty of their girls by posting photographic evidence, you refuse to do so yourself because you, a long-term resident in Angeles lest we forget, apparently hasn't got one single photo of a beautiful girl he's been with? Hmm.
And there we have it. You've frequently complained on this forum about poor service from girls and midnight runners (see the bottom quote, from your recent guide to Angeles) and yet it transpires that our resident 'expert' doesn't actually barfine. Why make things up?Not sure what part of this is a board that deals with bars and bargirls you do not understand.
Wanting to see photos of non bargirls that have normal jobs that I and guys choose to marry or live with is not on the agenda for obvious reasons, maybe joining one of the swingers forums might be better for your good self if such is important to you.
As far as runners one does not have to barfine to know if runners exist, just sit in any angeles bar and see how many girls return to the bar very shortly after accepting a long time barfine.
Ask any bar owner or bar manager and they will quite openly tell one that most of the bars money comes from lady drinks and girls running back to the bar for their next punter, after all girls and bars are in business to make money, the bigger and the quicker the money the better, why accept one lontime barfine when most bars and pretty bargirls can can rent out per hour, bars and girls are in their business for max profit and their own needs not to cater to their punters needs.
Anyways, still awaiting the photos from all your claimed barhops and stunners, guess it might be a long wait.
Transporter
03-13-23, 03:30
Hello, I continue to read this thread every day. Thank you all for the reports and information.
In July, I will be in Angeles City, but my first night in the Philippines will be spent in Makati near P. Burgos. What do you recommend for me to have company on that first night? Should I hire a freelancer or should I check out the bars in P. Burgos and barfine someone? I'm reading the latest posts and it seems like they're asking for a lot of money for a short-time in the bars. 10 K total for a short-time? Or am I mistaken?
Thanks again for the information and responses.10 K for some its a lot, for some its not much. But if time is a factor, you can easily just do a search online for escorts in manila, and it will cost you half. If you want the adventure, then the bars will provide that. Again if time is of concern, a taxi ride during traffic between LAC and makati is about an hour so plan accordingly.
NS.
Your posts have always been the same ole stuff. Quite frankly I have never ever believe anything you have ever posted.
This will be the last of any communications we have regarding anything.
Don't worry you will still have a constant never ending newbie suckers to believe you.
Newbies "buyer beware". There are many satisfied AC mongers.
May you find a hole that is fitting for you.
WestCoast1
03-13-23, 09:27
Why are photos important.
The reason photos are important when guys claim to find stunners in the bars of Angeles is to help the board and its members to decide if that quality of girl is worth spending thousands of dollars and a very long trip only to be disappointed in what they actually find once there, so very important I would say, after all, this board is called international sex guide for a reason, that reason is for board members to advise others on the type of girls that can be found and photos would play a big part in that of course, as they say, a photo is worth a 1000 words.
So while you repeatedly call everyone else to verify the beauty of their girls by posting photographic evidence, you refuse to do so yourself because you, a long-term resident in Angeles lest we forget, apparently hasn't got one single photo of a beautiful girl he's been with? Hmm.To suggest that others post photos (for any reason) when you are not willing to do so yourself. Its hypocritical. Pinoy use the term "two face". Rules for thee, but not for me.
As far as your claim that angeles is like a sweet shop at the moment I'm confused how you would know considering your very short trip was some weeks ago and your now back in the uk, angeles and girls change day to day, a cute girl in a bar today might not be working there tomorrow.If the girls change regularly (and they do), then posting pics as you suggest is not smart. Among other pic posters that I have communicated with, we wait a period of time before posting (security reasons). There is little chance that I am posting a pic of a girl while I am still in town, and I'd suggest others also follow that policy. The idea that I am posting pics for other guys to decide if they want to come to AC is not correct. Also I don't share contact info (including bar info) unless a girl has specifically told me in the past to do so.
SNIP angeles and girls change day to day, a cute girl in a bar today might not be working there tomorrow, so unless one is actually here then no way of knowing what's happening on the ground as of today, to claim anything else would be misleading.Respectfully disagree. Many gents write their FR's after going back to their home country. Their posts are still relevant, and indicative of what is happening recently. Thru their posts we've discovered, post-covid: More Korean bars, higher prices, more ST / runners. That's the basics of the change. Even better are posts from guys in town right now.
10 K for some its a lot, for some its not much. But if time is a factor, you can easily just do a search online for escorts in manila, and it will cost you half. If you want the adventure, then the bars will provide that. Again if time is of concern, a taxi ride during traffic between LAC and makati is about an hour so plan accordingly.Thanks for the reply! You're right about some people thinking it's expensive while others think it's cheap. For example, in my country, an hour with a pretty girl would cost a little less. So I'd rather stay here and save myself the long trip XD.
Anyway, after arriving in Manila at night following so many hours of flying, I think the best option will be to do what you suggest and find a girl online. If I go bar-hopping, I might end up getting ripped off big time because I'll be half out of it from jetlag. I'll check out some bars just to see P. Burgos, and then I'll head back to the hotel to hook up with a girl from Pinalove or a similar site.
Transporter
03-14-23, 02:20
I guess I suck at explaining things.
What I meant was Time does not stop for anyone. I believe you only had one night? There is only so many hours in one night. Time, hours, minutes, seconds, and all that is related do not apply to the girls, they have there own reference to time. If you want to grab something off the street, then its pretty fast, the bars will take a while to meander through, casa pretty fast, but online is where time takes on an entirely new meaning especially if the girls is coming from caloocan or cavite or worse. What I mean about search online is exactly that, search for escort agencies in manila. They are all business, and can pretty much guarantee arrival time within 10-15 minutes (they use their own drivers). Or at least have it as a back up plan, as if you are not dead set on a specific girl, the agency (and there are many) can have one to you within an hour. Some faster as some are located in makati. A lot of the girls are listed with multiple agencies, find the one you want to work with.
I guess I suck at explaining things.
What I meant was Time does not stop for anyone. I believe you only had one night? There is only so many hours in one night. Time, hours, minutes, seconds, and all that is related do not apply to the girls, they have there own reference to time. If you want to grab something off the street, then its pretty fast, the bars will take a while to meander through, casa pretty fast, but online is where time takes on an entirely new meaning especially if the girls is coming from caloocan or cavite or worse. What I mean about search online is exactly that, search for escort agencies in manila. They are all business, and can pretty much guarantee arrival time within 10-15 minutes (they use their own drivers). Or at least have it as a back up plan, as if you are not dead set on a specific girl, the agency (and there are many) can have one to you within an hour. Some faster as some are located in makati. A lot of the girls are listed with multiple agencies, find the one you want to work with.Sorry, it's my fault since my English is very poor. After carefully reading your message, it's now clear to me what you mean. Indeed, I will only be in Manila that night, so I will follow your advice and look for escort agencies to find a girl. Thank you very much for your advice. Regards.
ThirtySubset
03-15-23, 06:43
First off just wanted to preface this with my sincere gratitude for everyone's comments and reports, the time some of you spend to enlighten people like me is much appreciated and I hope to repay that with my own reports following my trip. I'm going to be heading to Angeles with a small group of friends in mid April. Having read about 50 pages deep on this page I think I have a good idea of how to navigate the mongering aspect of the trip. That being said, I have a few questions for the more experienced mongers on here.
1. I've read reports on this board about freelancers leading to scams where they make rape or similar accusations to extract substantial bribes / blackmail, is this something that happens with enough frequency that I should avoid freelancers or is there some sort of precaution that I can take to avoid being wrapped up in such nonsense?
2. Where are the best places to eat good western food? I know Angeles isn't exactly known for its culinary offerings so I figure I'the rather emphasize eating at places less likely to give me food poisoning and ruin my week in Angeles, any recommendations to that end would be much appreciated.
3. Are there any good places to daytrip with / without a girl in tow? I know what I'll be doing each evening I'm in town but would love to hear some things that others have enjoyed doing during the day as well as some things to avoid.
4. I've read anecdotal reports that the bar girls are tested for std's weekly, is there any concrete evidence to back this up or is it just rumor, I love BBFS as much as the next guy but also am hoping to avoid bringing back any unwanted gifts LOL.
5. I will be arriving just after Holy Week ends, how much of an impact on the quality of the girls should I expect that to have?
I appreciate any feedback / insight anyone may have to offer and fully intend to repay the board with some trip reports during / after my trip.
2. Where are the best places to eat good western food? I know Angeles isn't exactly known for its culinary offerings so I figure I'the rather emphasize eating at places less likely to give me food poisoning and ruin my week in Angeles, any recommendations to that end would be much appreciated.
4. I've read anecdotal reports that the bar girls are tested for std's weekly, is there any concrete evidence to back this up or is it just rumor, I love BBFS as much as the next guy but also am hoping to avoid bringing back any unwanted gifts LOL.
5. I will be arriving just after Holy Week ends, how much of an impact on the quality of the girls should I expect that to have?In walking distance to Walking Street, I would recommend Envy, Duke's at Score Birds and Phillies. I'm sure others can add to it.
STD testing from what I know they do go to the doctor weekly for an examination, but from what I gather they don't do blood tests weekly. On a recent visit the girl I was with a couple of times, mentioned that she enjoyed the examinations and (vaginal wash) but was delinquent on getting a recent blood test. Yet they still update showing her medical visit so she can continue working.
Holy week, I came once pre-pandemic and a lot of girls go home so your pickings will not be typical. Luckily I had a GF so I didn't have to struggle to worry about finding someone.
Hope this helps.
First off just wanted to preface this with my sincere gratitude for everyone's comments and reports, the time some of you spend to enlighten people like me is much appreciated and I hope to repay that with my own reports following my trip. I'm going to be heading to Angeles with a small group of friends in mid April. Having read about 50 pages deep on this page I think I have a good idea of how to navigate the mongering aspect of the trip. That being said, I have a few questions for the more experienced mongers on here.
1. I've read reports on this board about freelancers leading to scams where they make rape or similar accusations to extract substantial bribes / blackmail, is this something that happens with enough frequency that I should avoid freelancers or is there some sort of precaution that I can take to avoid being wrapped up in such nonsense?
Not really much you can do except to try to vet them before you go the room. Take her for a drink or a bite to eat and talk to her. If she seems too pushy or you get bad vibes, give her a few pesos and move on. Other than that, its a crap shoot.
2. Where are the best places to eat good western food? I know Angeles isn't exactly known for its culinary offerings so I figure I'the rather emphasize eating at places less likely to give me food poisoning and ruin my week in Angeles, any recommendations to that end would be much appreciated.
Phillies on the main drag though watch out for the ladyboy FLs outside. There is a McDonalds at the other end of the strip.
3. Are there any good places to daytrip with / without a girl in tow? I know what I'll be doing each evening I'm in town but would love to hear some things that others have enjoyed doing during the day as well as some things to avoid.
Not really much in the way of organized days trips. Check Trip Advisor
4. I've read anecdotal reports that the bar girls are tested for std's weekly, is there any concrete evidence to back this up or is it just rumor, I love BBFS as much as the next guy but also am hoping to avoid bringing back any unwanted gifts LOL.
Don't believe it.
5. I will be arriving just after Holy Week ends, how much of an impact on the quality of the girls should I expect that to have?
The girls should be out and about and hungry after a week of no extra pesos. The ones from out of town might still be traveling back from the provinces depending on how close to Easter you arrive.
I appreciate any feedback / insight anyone may have to offer and fully intend to repay the board with some trip reports during / after my trip.
Expat American
03-15-23, 14:21
First off just wanted to preface this with my sincere gratitude for everyone's comments and reports, the time some of you spend to enlighten people like me is much appreciated and I hope to repay that with my own reports following my trip. I'm going to be heading to Angeles with a small group of friends in mid April. Having read about 50 pages deep on this page I think I have a good idea of how to navigate the mongering aspect of the trip. That being said, I have a few questions for the more experienced mongers on here.
1. I've read reports on this board about freelancers leading to scams where they make rape or similar accusations to extract substantial bribes / blackmail, is this something that happens with enough frequency that I should avoid freelancers or is there some sort of precaution that I can take to avoid being wrapped up in such nonsense?
2. Where are the best places to eat good western food? I know Angeles isn't exactly known for its culinary offerings so I figure I'the rather emphasize eating at places less likely to give me food poisoning and ruin my week in Angeles, any recommendations to that end would be much appreciated.
3. Are there any good places to daytrip with / without a girl in tow? I know what I'll be doing each evening I'm in town but would love to hear some things that others have enjoyed doing during the day as well as some things to avoid.
4. I've read anecdotal reports that the bar girls are tested for std's weekly, is there any concrete evidence to back this up or is it just rumor, I love BBFS as much as the next guy but also am hoping to avoid bringing back any unwanted gifts LOL.
5. I will be arriving just after Holy Week ends, how much of an impact on the quality of the girls should I expect that to have?
I appreciate any feedback / insight anyone may have to offer and fully intend to repay the board with some trip reports during / after my trip.1. It can happen but I don't think its common. I've fucked dozens of freelancers and never had that kind of issue. I have had non performers who I had to kick out but even then they mostly left without a fuss and without payment. You have to act like you're always in contorl. If you are drunk or weak they will smell it.
2. Food in AC generally is mediocre to terrible. All the tourist type places give about the same menu of the same quality. We don't go there for the food.
3. Mt. Pinatubo or Subic (overnight trip).
4. You do the BBFS you take your chances. I use azythromycin prophylactically and so far that seems to have worked.
5. don't know Never traveled at that time.
FuriousGeorge
03-15-23, 19:57
1. Not super likely particularly in AC where the cops know the score, but I'm not a big freelance guy.
2. Just walk to the SM Mall. Plenty of western options.
3. None that I would care to go to. Take her swimming and to dinner.
4. Pee tests weekly. You will see the van parked on walking street around noon with hundreds of girls lined up. No weekly blood tests but you are unlikely to catch something that requires one. Risk / reward. I also take antibiotics while there and I'm well into the triple digits barebacking pinays and never caught anything.
5. There will probably always be at least one girl who suits your needs.
AsianPursuits
03-15-23, 22:28
3. Are there any good places to daytrip with / without a girl in tow? I know what I'll be doing each evening I'm in town but would love to hear some things that others have enjoyed doing during the day as well as some things to avoid.Pinatubo has a tour, quad biking and other activities.
Clark museum.
Golf Course (back of Hensonville).
Deca wakeboarding park.
Joy flights at Angeles Flying Club.
Angeles City proper (away from Walking St).
Buy fresh food at Pampang markets (go early).
Go Ziplining.
5. I will be arriving just after Holy Week ends, how much of an impact on the quality of the girls should I expect that to have?Compared to the girl quality in your home town, AC will be awesome.
First off just wanted to preface this with my sincere gratitude for everyone's comments and reports, the time some of you spend to enlighten people like me is much appreciated and I hope to repay that with my own reports following my trip. I'm going to be heading to Angeles with a small group of friends in mid April. Having read about 50 pages deep on this page I think I have a good idea of how to navigate the mongering aspect of the trip. That being said, I have a few questions for the more experienced mongers on here.
1. I've read reports on this board about freelancers leading to scams where they make rape or similar accusations to extract substantial bribes / blackmail, is this something that happens with enough frequency that I should avoid freelancers or is there some sort of precaution that I can take to avoid being wrapped up in such nonsense?
2. Where are the best places to eat good western food? I know Angeles isn't exactly known for its culinary offerings so I figure I'the rather emphasize eating at places less likely to give me food poisoning and ruin my week in Angeles, any recommendations to that end would be much appreciated.
3. Are there any good places to daytrip with / without a girl in tow? I know what I'll be doing each evening I'm in town but would love to hear some things that others have enjoyed doing during the day as well as some things to avoid.
4. I've read anecdotal reports that the bar girls are tested for std's weekly, is there any concrete evidence to back this up or is it just rumor, I love BBFS as much as the next guy but also am hoping to avoid bringing back any unwanted gifts LOL.
5. I will be arriving just after Holy Week ends, how much of an impact on the quality of the girls should I expect that to have?
I appreciate any feedback / insight anyone may have to offer and fully intend to repay the board with some trip reports during / after my trip.Just go and experience it. Don't over think it.
Go with bargirls first. Leave the FL alone until you are experienced.
Don't know your lifestyle or your finances to tell you anything else.
I use azithromycin prophylactically and so far that seems to have worked.
I do not put azithromycin in my prophylactics and have not caught anything.
Dollhouse- Probably the best typical gogo bar out there. They don't really have any special performances but they do have presentations for each of the girls which are pretty cool. High number of girls means you are likely to find someone you like and service has generally been pretty good. Second floor is nice with the dance cages. Definitely recommend for first time visitors, just not my personal favorite bar.Dollhouse is my absolute favorite AC bar; I always seem to score there. Here's my fav there for the last couple of years: a sweet girl who knows why she's there.
WestCoast1
03-16-23, 13:56
Dollhouse is my absolute favorite AC bar; I always seem to score there. Here's my fav there for the last couple of years: a sweet girl who knows why she's there.OK, an AC veteran has posted a pic of one of his AC gogo girls. Just as NS requested.
Napa: Using your slide rule and good judgement, look deep into this gal's eyes, and tell us: Is she up to snuff for the gents to come to AC? I vote YES. Is she a 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10?
Doc: Great pic, she's beautiful.
OK, an AC veteran has posted a pic of one of his AC gogo girls. Just as NS requested.
Napa: Using your slide rule and good judgement, look deep into this gal's eyes, and tell us: Is she up to snuff for the gents to come to AC? I vote YES. Is she a 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10?
Doc: Great pic, she's beautiful.I certainly would.
I certainly would.I would. Up to P3500.
8. 2+ in my book. Maybe 8. 4 when the clothes come off.
I would. Up to P3500.
8. 2+ in my book. Maybe 8. 4 when the clothes come off.
Isn't bar fine like 3900 or 5 k in AC? She looks about an 8 to me. Maybe 7.8 if critical. Never been to AC just my personal scale for beauty.
Isn't bar fine like 3900 or 5 k in AC? She looks about an 8 to me. Maybe 7.8 if critical. Never been to AC just my personal scale for beauty.Bar fines are 3500-5000 range. I myself barfine 3500-4000 unless there is one I really have to have for 5 k.
Your personal scale is what we are looking for here to possibly establish a baseline for comparisons.
Bar fines are 3500-5000 range. I myself barfine 3500-4000 unless there is one I really have to have for 5 k.
Your personal scale is what we are looking for here to possibly establish a baseline for comparisons.Gotcha. So negotiable depending on night and girl.
Isn't bar fine like 3900....?You might be thinking of P Burgos. There it's ten drinks. 10*390=3900 plus the negotiable girl's tip.
Enjoy. G.
I would. Up to P3500.
8. 2+ in my book. Maybe 8. 4 when the clothes come off.I'd agree: an 8-ish if there are no surprises out of frame.
Certainly worth follow up and asking for an unfiltered photo, if I hadn't seen her in person.
Enjoy. G.
You might be thinking of P Burgos. There it's ten drinks. 10*390=3900 plus the negotiable girl's tip.
Enjoy. G.You might be right. I've been reading a lot about both AC and Manila. I thought the bar fine was about similar but key difference is no tip for AC.
WestCoast1
03-17-23, 11:23
You might be right. I've been reading a lot about both AC and Manila. I thought the bar fine was about similar but key difference is no tip for AC.That's correct. At the end of the day (or in the morning) as the girl goes home, your cost in AC will be about half what you spent in Burgos on a barfine.
Almost all barfines on Burgos are p3500 or p3900 (for the bar, non-negotiable, of which the girl will later collect 1000) + her pre-barfine negotiated morning tip (p4-6 k-ish) you agreed to. With drinks that will be about p9-11 K ($200-ish USD).
Barfines in AC run from a low in the Perimeter bars of about p2500 ($50 USD), to WS bars around p5000 ($100 USD). The barfine amount in each bar is not negotiable. There is no post-service tip needed (unless you are feeling generous afterwards, or have offered one in the bar before taking the girl).
WestCoast1
03-17-23, 11:29
I'd agree: an 8-ish if there are no surprises out of frame.An 8 or 8+ for me. That's three 8's and a thumbs-up from Python.
ElMexicant
03-17-23, 12:45
If that was what guys consider an 8+ for a Pinay, let me stick to my above average girls or 6's as you call them. Anybody remember May? Back in her days of glory, I thought she was only above average, but more decent than the average Pinay. Maybe I have poor taste.
WestCoast1
03-17-23, 17:38
If that was what guys consider an 8+ for a Pinay, let me stick to my above average girls or 6's as you call them. Anybody remember May? Back in her days of glory, I thought she was only above average, but more decent than the average Pinay. Maybe I have poor taste.Good taste. Can't see the body as well as the Doc's gal, but still, attractive. If you've boffed this one (at that time), consider yourself lucky. Unable to see the body on this model, she's a 7+ for me. If the figure is slender, she's an 8 (body being more important to me than face). BTW gents, you can post said pics minus the face if you like, the gents will still be able to make a call.
That's correct. At the end of the day (or in the morning) as the girl goes home, your cost in AC will be about half what you spent in Burgos on a barfine.
Almost all barfines on Burgos are p3500 or p3900 (for the bar, non-negotiable, of which the girl will later collect 1000) + her pre-barfine negotiated morning tip (p4-6 k-ish) you agreed to. With drinks that will be about p9-11 K ($200-ish USD).
Barfines in AC run from a low in the Perimeter bars of about p2500 ($50 USD), to WS bars around p5000 ($100 USD). The barfine amount in each bar is not negotiable. There is no post-service tip needed (unless you are feeling generous afterwards, or have offered one in the bar before taking the girl).Thank you for clarification!
BTW is perimeter worth exploring much for first timer? I'll probably at least attempt to tourist around the area to check things out. Not sure if I should put much time into perimeter. I'll have about 4-5 days in AC to play with.
If that was what guys consider an 8+ for a Pinay, let me stick to my above average girls or 6's as you call them. Anybody remember May? Back in her days of glory, I thought she was only above average, but more decent than the average Pinay. Maybe I have poor taste.I agree with WC. 7-8. But I think a little lower than docs girl based on face. So about a 7. 5.
WestCoast1
03-17-23, 20:22
Thank you for clarification!
BTW is perimeter worth exploring much for first timer? I'll probably at least attempt to tourist around the area to check things out. Not sure if I should put much time into perimeter. I'll have about 4-5 days in AC to play with.
I agree with WC. 7-8. But I think a little lower than docs girl based on face. So about a 7. 5.Perimeter girls are a bit older and chubbier (fuglier) than WS ladies. You can skip Perimeter on this trip and catch it on a later trip when you have more time.
If that was what guys consider an 8+ for a Pinay, let me stick to my above average girls or 6's as you call them. Anybody remember May? Back in her days of glory, I thought she was only above average, but more decent than the average Pinay. Maybe I have poor taste.Wow yes she was a favorite.
WestCoast1
03-17-23, 20:35
About 6 months ago, having dinner at Envy with one of my regulars, I saw a mate passing by on the street with a girl. We saw each other and he stopped in to chat for a minute. We hadn't seen each other since before covid, so it was a chance meeting. His girl was pretty, dreamy face, great hair, tummy flatter than a sheet of aluminum. After we caught up a bit he moved on with his gal.
Few days later I run into him and ask where he got the girl. GF? Bar girl? He said he'd been walking on WS and came across a gaggle of girls outside a bar. He described the bar as "It has a boat", so I assume that he's talking about Vikings. He said that he struck up conversation with the prettiest one and asked her if she wanted to barfine overnight. She lead him inside and he paid the barfine while she changed into her slutty street clothes (she had extremely short shorts, crop top with lots of flat tummy showing, and tennis shoes that elevated her about 2 inches). He said that they went to sleep and then he banged her in the morning and sent her home.
That's it. You apparently can still barfine without buying a LD (or your drink) or much conversation.
Perimeter girls are a bit older and chubbier (fuglier) than WS ladies. You can skip Perimeter on this trip and catch it on a later trip when you have more time.Thanks for helping me save some precious time. Per WC slang, I'm tryna "vax" some young and skinny.
WestCoast1
03-17-23, 22:48
Thanks for helping me save some precious time. Per WC slang, I'm tryna "vax" some young and skinny.Welcome sir. Besides vaxxing young beauty, a man in AAC with a few pesos can do some other nice things for the ladies. Well, that's what I heard.
Welcome sir. Besides vaxxing young beauty, a man in AAC with a few pesos can do some other nice things for the ladies. Well, that's what I heard.Is this what they call, paying it forward?
This reminds me of a few things I indeed do want to do in AC. As they say, "when in Rome," or in this case "when in AC. ".
Perimeter girls are a bit older and chubbier (fuglier) than WS ladies. You can skip Perimeter on this trip and catch it on a later trip when you have more time.Don't forget attitude. Last time I was there, admittedly it was close to closing time, the girls were like a bunch of cops begrudgingly hanging on until retirement.
I'd agree, give it a miss for a first visit of only a few days. Leave it for another time when you may have a idle evening with little to do. Who knows? YMMV.
Enjoy. G.
That's correct. At the end of the day (or in the morning) as the girl goes home, your cost in AC will be about half what you spent in Burgos on a barfine..Very true for a barfine but the opposite can be the case for SW's. A Burgos girl with bills to pay and having a slow night can represent excellent value. Choose carefully but I'd also say that the average girl walking Burgos is better looking than her Fields sister.
Obviously both areas need a fully functioning gaydar.
Enjoy. G.
Expat American
03-18-23, 09:22
Don't forget attitude. Last time I was there, admittedly it was close to closing time, the girls were like a bunch of cops begrudgingly hanging on until retirement.
I'd agree, give it a miss for a first visit of only a few days. Leave it for another time when you may have a idle evening with little to do. Who knows? YMMV.
Enjoy. G.Disagree, I have found some of the best gems in Perimeter bars, fresh off the boat 19 yo province girls who don't even have a phone yet. Also girls you can BF at 4 pm and they would stay all night. If looks is your main criteria then go to Pattaya or Vietnam. But if you want to fuck a young fresh girl BB for the whole night is why you go to Angeles.
Locamotive
03-18-23, 12:39
Very true for a barfine but the opposite can be the case for SW's. A Burgos girl with bills to pay and having a slow night can represent excellent value. Choose carefully but I'd also say that the average girl walking Burgos is better looking than her Fields sister.
Obviously both areas need a fully functioning gaydar.
Enjoy. G.Also timing. Last night took a nap woke up at midnight, crap hate doing that on a Friday. Hit the bars (Burgos) a bit after midnight. The bars and I checked all them, fugly and fatties. Talked with some Mamansuns,. Oh sorry sir the beauties were barfined long ago. Yes agreed you can catch a slow night with beauties still hanging around late but not likely on weekends. A few walking the streets looked ok but I don't trust their medical history as if they ever get a checkup.
Obviously both areas need a fully functioning gaydar.
I'm guessing pun intended? LOL.
Disagree, I have found some of the best gems in Perimeter bars, fresh off the boat 19 yo province girls who don't even have a phone yet. Also girls you can BF at 4 pm and they would stay all night. If looks is your main criteria then go to Pattaya or Vietnam. But if you want to fuck a young fresh girl BB for the whole night is why you go to Angeles.So. Maybe take a quick stroll early evening one day to see if I can find a young fresh gem?
BTW on similarish topic. What's the take on street girls vs bar girls? Especially comparing perimeter. I was planning to spend most my time on walking street bars before and maybe try my luck on a street girl or two.
Had a friend staying at ABC Hotel tell me he woke up Sunday morning with a drip. He thumbed thru the guest directory book and saw ABC has a doctor on call. Dial the front desk for an appointment. He called the front desk, nice lady asked unjudgemental did he have symptoms? He said yes and she replied she will ask the concierge how to handle it as it was Sunday.
5 minutes later front desk lady called back and said the concierge will drive him to a closed clinic as the nurse will come in special for him. 10 minutes later he was there. Nurse confirmed with him his drip and asked him if he wanted to do a test or just get the antibiotic injection and some tablets to take for a number of days. He got the shot in the rear and supply of antibiotics pills. 2500 all in to the clinic plus 500 tip to the nurse.
Can't beat that.
Absolute757
03-19-23, 11:34
Hey,
This is an old trip report from 2019 I posted on Philippine addicts forumq. The mods on that site are a bunch of safe space sjw twinks so they banned me without warning or explanation. So I'm reposting it here. Some references to board members there so just ignore.
5 days in AC.
About 3 weeks before the trip I had signed up on Filipina cupid and Pinalove. I had lined up almost 20 girls. I always moved the conversation to whatsapp or viber. We exchanged more pics and some did video chat. I built up a good rapport with most of them. I said I was going to Clark for business and that after my morning meetings I was looking for someone to hang out with and show me around. This was to take away any creep factor associated with going to AC for bar girls. Obviously this is what most people assume. This made me appear as a business man who just so happened to be in in a place with tons of hookers. Also the morning meeting alibi gave me an excuse to kick bitches out early or explain why I'm not available. I kept the convo cordial and humorous mostly but let it be known that I want to fuck them. I didn't say this directly, obviously but dropped enough hints. One thing I did was I told them I wanted to bring them a gift and asked what size bra and panties they wear. Then I went to Tijuana Maxx and Marshalls and spent about a $100 on sexy bras and panties. This let it be known that I'm trying to fuck and made it easier to get the chicks out of their clothes when I got the back to the room.
So landed in Clark on Tues at 11 am. I had been traveling for 28 hours with little sleep. But as soon as the pilot said we had arrived, I was alert AF. Jumped off the plane and got thru immigration within 30 min. My bag was already on the carousel. I grabbed it and went to the moneychanger. There was 3 moneychangers next to each other. BDO bank had the best rate. Not only the best rate at the airport but the best rate I seen in all of AC. I Googled the exchange rate from dollars using airport WiFi. It was 50.55 pesos /1 dollar. BDO offered 50.45. I don't know how they make money with that rate, but they were getting all the business so I guess they get enough volume. The highest I seen on the streets in AC was 50.30, with the hotel offering 50.00.
Next stop was get a Sim card. Literally 10 ft away. Airport is small AF. These vendors literally had stalls or booths in a small room. So I get a Sim card with unlimited talk and txt plus 11 gb Internet for 7 days for 300 pesos. One month was like 600 p and they also had a Hotspot device for like 1500 p.
I put my Sim in my $40 Samsung s4 I got off eBay and call ABC for a ride. I find out that the unlimited calling is for mobile numbers only. No mention of this before I buy the sim. So I have to add another 100 p load to call the landline of my hotel to request a shuttle. Later I find out ABC hotel has a WhatsApp number.
Ok so I've been messaging girls the whole way. I mistakenly tell all of them exactly what day I'm coming. So there's quite a few of them hitting me up. Some want to wait for me in my hotel lobby before I get there. I choose one whose really enthusiastic and tell her I'll message her as soon as I get cleaned up and she can come. I pretty much ignore the rest or make excuses. I realize that I have way too many girls and way too little time. I didn't even need to go to a bar or even look for FLs. I was set. But that didn't stop me from flirting with everything in sight.
So first girl. Let's call her Stella. I message her when I'm checked in and she says she's on the way. 24 yo, 5'1, 100 lbs, fair skin, 34 b breast. 1 kid from a Norwegian who eventually cut off ties (so she says). Little cutie with a good sense of humor, kinda silly. She had a regular job at a hotel as wait staff.
By the time I shower and start zipping up my jeans, she's in the lobby. I previously told her in a text that when I see her I'm going to give her a big kiss. She was surprised when I told her that and when the time came and I went in for the kiss, she tried to pull away. I grabbed her head with 2 hands and kissed her anyways and gave her a hug. She was acting shy and embarrassed but smiling, it was cute. We go upstairs to the aqua bar and have a drink and some salmon sashimi. She's never had sushi so to her it was an adventure. So while we're at aqua she gets a video call from her 2 friends. She let's them see me and I'm friendly and say Hello, wave, and all that good stuff. One of the friends is kind of hot. After the call I ask her what they said. She's like " they said your handsome and wanted to know where I met you" I say, "cool" and think nothing of it. Somehow I steer the conversation to how tasty she looks and licking pussy. She tells me she has a shaved kitty so I tell her let's go check out my room. She knows where my mind is at and says she's shy. I grab her by the hand and just lead the way. She follows. Once in my room I put on some John Mayer, get her a Sam Miguel out of the minibar, and she lights up a smoke. I'm slowly sipping a shot of Johnny walker black. Eventually after 10 min of talking, joking, and tickling, I make my move. I tell her I want to smell her and start sniffing her neck and shoulders. Not really touching just breathing on her. I tell her she smells good and I give my usual line about pheromones and how animals choose a mating partner. The sexual tension is escalating and within seconds we're making out hard. She says she hasn't been with anyone since her baby daddy. The kid is like 6 so I highly doubt it but she was super tight when I went to finger her / rub her clit. Smell my fingers. No odor. Kind of a sweet smell. That's it, I tear her shorts off and go to town DATY. Now I got her all writhing and moaning. It was great. Than I tear my clothes off and without a word she's grabs my cock and pushes me back on the bed. Starts licking the head of my cock. I got a throbbing rod at this point. I try to push her head down on it but she gags at the midway point and pulls her head back. She starts wiping tears from her eyes and slobber from her lips. I stop her and tell her "that's hot, don't you dare wipe it off". Before she can respond I pull her on top of me. She starts going cow girl and her snatch is super tight. Maybe she wasn't kidding about not having sex in over 6 yrs. Anyways we go like that for maybe 12 min. Started slow but eventually I'm palming her ass and slamming her up and down on my cock. I feel cream dripping on to my balls. Eventually I Filipino her on her back and drill her for another 10 min. She's trying to push me back and she's acting like I'm impaling her with my little 6 inch cock. Wow, what a self esteem boost. So eventually I pull out and hose her down with cum. That's right, I hit it raw dog. I wanted to feel that sweet tight pussy and she happily obliged, not once mentioning a rubber.
So we shower, smoke and chat. I'm thinking up excuses in my head of how to get her out and call my next date. Then out of nowhere she says her friends think I'm hot and suggests a 4 some. Whaaaaaaa! I keep my cool and say maybe just a 3 some with the cute friend. She says the not-so-cute one is great at blow jobs. She tells me how they did it before with another foreigner and how she mostly played with her friends and the guy fucked the other 2. Who knew I had a bisexual freak on my hands? An hour ago she was acting all shy and afraid to kiss. So now I'm like fuck it, let's go, let's do it. She texts her friends and they say they will be ready at 8 pm. It was 6 pm at this point.
So we decide to go barhopping. I tell her I want to see her eat another girl out and that I might barfine a girl for us to bang together. She's totally down. So she takes me two doors down to pony tails. My first bar girl scene.
We walk in ponytails and I'm excited. I'm yelling as soon as I walk in. I'm like "ayyyyyyy. Ooooooooh" like I'm fucking Andrew dice clay or some shit. I'm waving at all the chicks and they're laughing at my silly behavior. There's some old punters in there and they don't look happy to see me. They looked pretty fucking depressed to be honest. But one table with 2 older European guys has like 8 girls around hanging all over them. I give the guys a "hang loose" sign and a smile of approval. The European dude gives me a head nod in acknowledgement but pretty much ignores me. This guy was too cool for school. So I just shrug it off and ask my girl Stella who she likes. She responds with "who do you like?" . So I say "what about her" as I point to this tiny young thing with braces. She approves and I tell the waitress to go and bring the girl I want. The waitress starts yelling for the girl across our table. I tell the waitress to go get her and not to yell and basically push her toward the stage. The waitress laughs and obliges. So the girl comes to the table and orders a juice. She is petite just the way I like with a hard body, perky tits, and small heart shaped ass. Fucking stunner. Says she's 19 and it's her 4th day. You can tell she's super nervous and but Stella makes her feel comfortable talking to her in tagalog. I'm like "what the fuck are we waiting for". I go to say "we'll take her" and then the girl hits me with "but I'm on my menses. " well that was a fucking disappointment. So I tell Stella to finish her beer and let's hit the next bar. I forgot to take a pic inside ponytails. It's kind of a hole in the wall but it's convenient since it's literally next door to the ABC hotel. I think the barfine is like 2500 so it's not toooo bad.
So anyways we continue to barhop. I don't remember the name of any places. The next bar we go in had classic rock playing and it was actually 2 bars connected. I think it was roadhouse but don't quote me. I like the setup. Long and narrow with seating on one wall and the stage on the opposite wall running the length of place. It reminded me of the bars on the block in Baltimore. One of my original mongering stomping grounds.
So back to roadhouse, I'm in this place with Stella and I start calling girls down for drinks. I call 3 down at the same time. I figure I would have better odds in case one has an issue like menses or whatever. Plus having 3 girls creates competition. I figure they'll work harder for my attention. So I got the 3 hottest girls in the bar with me plus my cutie Stella. I'm in heaven honestly. The girls are nervous about flirting with me in front of what appears to be my girlfriend. I tell them we want a 3 some and Stella confirms. But she's getting tipsy and kind of talking too much. One of the girls looks like the late singer Aaliyah but with braces. The other 2 are hot AF and they know it. I inquire about the bar fine and both of these girls pull out a yellow ribbon from their bra and say they have been "reserved". Really? So your telling me, your already paid for and reserved by someone else but your still dancing on stage on display? That's false advertising. I focus my energy on Aaliyah, sitting her on my lap. It seemed like we were hitting it off. Her and Stella were talking and laughing together. Then Stella tells me Aaliyah doesn't want to go with us because she thinks I have a big dick. What?! I don't, but I'm not going to argue that. Plus at that point, I just felt like she was making excuses and said let's go somewhere else. I don't want to be with someone who's not feeling me and I definitely don't want to pay for a lame experience.
Then we go to this 2 story bar where there's a stage on the first floor with like a hundred girls and on the second floor there's a balcony overlooking the stage. It was cool because you could smoke up there and you choose the girl you like with a laser pointer. This time I point to 2 chicks. Only one comes up tho. I forgot the reason the other wouldn't come. Maybe it was racism LOL. So I got this 1 girl and she's nice. She seems pretty into me, asking me a lot of questions, running her hands up my shirt. I told her I wanted to try a 3 some for the 1st time and she seemed down. But at this point Stella was clearly drunk and rambling. She was talking to the bar girl in tagalog and the girl was just smiling with her eyes glazed over not paying attention. I decided to abort. I got the bar girls phone number and then dragged Stella out of there. Now at this point it's like 10 pm. Her friends never called. We walk by Hi society and nobody is in there yet. We stop at some restaurant with outdoor seating and sheesha. I order some chicken wings and we chill for a while and smoke shisha. I flirt with one of the waitresses hard and she's pretty receptive. But she tells me she works till 5 am and can't get away early. I decide to head back to ABC and check out Aqua. So I bring Stella back and we go to the top floor. It's loud AF up there and it's pretty packed for a Tuesday night. It's retro night and everybody is dressed in tye dye and suede vests like it's an Austin Powers party. I thought retro was more 80's not 60's but whatever. We grab a seat and I immediately notice this little hottie and her friend at the table next to us. I'm giving her eyes and she's noticing. Her and her friend are smoking sheesha, dancing, having a blast. They were really energetic. I was actually pretty beat at this point. I don't usually drink more than 2-3 shots in a night, and the jet lag was kicking in. I order some more sashimi and when I look up, a black guy that looks like erkel is trying to holler at the hottie next to us. He touches her elbow and she turns around. He says Hi and waves at her from his seat 2 ft away. She says Hi, smiles, and turns back around to take a puff of shisha. It's time to make my move. I go in like a shark. I jump out of my seat, leave my table, walk over to her table and position myself between her and Erkel. Giving him my back. I say "what flavor is that? Is it good? Let me try" she immediately hands it to me and engages me in conversation. I can tell she wanted me to approach and I saved her from erkel. Hottie was named jona. Super short like 4'8 and curvy like a coca cola bottle. Just my type. I introduce her and her friend to my girl Stella and suggest we join tables. Which they agree and I immediately signal for the waiters to put the tables together. Erkel looked so hurt in the face. But no way was I letting him beat me to the punch. So my sashimi comes and we are all feeding each other with chopsticks. Jona was a little powder keg. Full of energy. It was clear after few minutes that these 2 girls weren't just out freelancing. They were out to party and spending their own money in the process. I didn't feel like entertaining these chicks all night with drinks and dancing. So I explained to jona that I just came in today on a long flight and I'm feeling tired. I told her that Stella and I are going back to the room and if she's free later she should come join us. She said she was with her friend and that they'd probably go home after. So I took her whatsapp number, grabbed Stella and headed back to my suite.
We get back to the room, I put on some R&B music, and when I turn around Stella jumps me. Her inhibitions are long gone. She pulls out my dick and attempts to give me head. She's not that good, but she's trying, bless her little heart. After a couple min of that I fuck her in various positions all over the room from sofa to the desk to the bed. I finally unload into that sweet tight box in missionary while I'm cupping her ass. Damm I'm getting horny just thinking about it. Then we shower, get dressed, share a smoke and I walk her to down to lobby. In the elevator I give her 1000 pesos "for trike money" which she happily accepts and says nothing. I go back to my room and start texting my next day prospects. Not exactly what I was shooting for, but all in all, not a bad first night ever in the Phils.
Absolute757
03-19-23, 11:50
Posted November 9, 2019.
OK so day 2. I wake up around 7 am. I don't even know what time I went to sleep the night before. I'm guessing around 1 am. So anyhow, I get up shower, shave, dress and head down for breakfast. I grab both my phones to start lining up girls.
There's basically 3 dining / drinking areas in ABC. There's the Aqua bar on the roof. And the whole first floor, besides the lobby, is split into 2 areas: the pool bar on one side which is open air, and the fine dining area on the other side which is open air but covered. I find a couch and grab a seat. I order a black coffee and look over the menu. The menu is exactly the same at all restaurants and for room service since its all made in the same kitchen. Only difference is the price. If you order at Aqua, it's 150 pesos more. Probably more for room service too, I didn't order anything to the room except coffee. For breakfast, they have a "western" side and a Filipino side. I ordered beef tapa (sweet beef) and eggs. I substituted the garlic rice with hash browns. Hash browns are still carbs but my body can handle a little potatoes.
So yeah my diet. I should mention this. So 1 of the reasons I stay in shape is I don't eat carbs. If I do its very little. No rice, bread, noodles or sugar. No beer. Very little fruit. I only eat veggies if they are stewed or pickled. No salads. I'll do a little potatoes here and there. No cooking oil, only butter or beef tallow. My diet is basically meat, eggs, and whole milk. It's not conventional, but IMHO it's the best diet for health and longevity. I find that eating rare or raw meat and eggs gives me more strength and stamina, especially for sex. That's why I love the menu at ABC. They offer sashimi, beef and fish carpaccio, rare steaks, and runny eggs. Perfect for a sex athlete.
Ok back to the report.
So I'm enjoying my breakfast. At the same time I'm texting all my girls. I line up a 12:30 date and a 5 pm. Now it's like 8:30. I decide to go for a walk. I walk toward walking street. I wander around a couple of side streets. Most everything is closed or just getting ready to open. I see a massage place that's open. I walk in and there's 2 girls laying around on the beds and one gets up and just stares at me. She looks at me like I'm an alien. All these girls look pretty rough. There's an older lady (mamasan?) sitting in a chair on her phone. Without looking up she asks if I want a massage. I look back at the chick standing in front of me. She's still just staring at me wide eyed not making a sound. I'm wearing shades and she's looking at me like she's trying to figure out what I am. Like I'm some different species she never encountered. She was definitely a strange looking species herself, so I said "naa, I'm good" and walk out. I keep walking. Some street vendor approaches me and starts showing me a stun gun. I show him my fist. "this is my stun gun," I tell him. He smiles and backs off. I make it over to walking street. Toward the end I see a large 24/7 massage sign on the 2nd floor. I walk in and go up the steps. Looks nice. Like quality construction. Marble steps, carved mahogany wood banister. That banister was quite impressive. Get to the top of the steps and go thru the glass doors. There's a you shaped desk with stone countertop. 2 cute girls and a slightly older woman mid to late 30's working the desk. The receptionist greets me with a professional demeanor. "massage sir?" I answer with "I need a strong massage, do you do strong massage?" looking at the girl on the left. She answers back "no, I don't know" I was kinda surprised. I look at the other 2 . They are looking everywhere but at me. "what about you?" pointing to the girl on the right. She doesn't answer. She's looking at me with quivering lips like she's nervous. "what? Is my money no good here?" the receptionist looks at me confused. I proceed to give all 3 of them a lecture. "you know in business, if you want to make a customer, you need to learn to say yes, be accommodating. If you want someone's money (I flash a roll of 1000's). Aren't you here to make customers? " before the receptionist gets a chance to respond, I say "I'll take my money somewhere else" turn and head out. They don't say anything. One of the girls looks a little apologetic tho. I'll really don't know what that was about. Was it racism? (gasp). Did I look broke? Are they tired? Whatever it was, I don't have the time to waste thinking about it. Fuck that place, they should feel lucky if I deem them worthy enough to put their grubby little paws on me. Maybe they thought I wanted full service. Which I didn't. I wanted a legit massage. I'm actually getting over a shoulder injury from the gym.
So anyways I keep trucking. Past walking street. By the jolibees there I see a bunch of massage parlors. They offer all kinds of beauty services. That's actually what I'm looking for.
I cross the street and walk in one of the beauty parlors. 2 girls greet me warmly. I inquire about all the services they offer. Facial, body scrub, foot scrub, mani, pedi, Brazilian wax.
"what's that you say? Brazilian huh?
Now I've never gotten waxing done. I do get facials and manis when I go to countries where it's cheap. Never in America. Well maybe Manicures, but very rare. The reason I'm interested in the Brazilian is because I wanted to remove the hair in my crack. I shave my whole body once a month. Not with a razor or anything, but I trim it down with clippers. From my armpits, to my crotch, to my legs. I look like a wilder beast if I don't and girls appreciate it. But I can't reach in my crack with the clippers, and I can't see back there. I want to get a nice rimming this trip so I start interrogating this poor girl about the Brazilian wax.
"does it hurt? How long will it take? Will it be sore later? If me and my girlfriend want to have fun later, will it be ok? When I start sweating back there, I won't get an infection or nothing, will I?
The girls are laughing at my line of questioning. "you'll be fine, sir."
I go for it all, the works, I tell her I just want the Brazilian on my backside tho. I'm well trimmed up in front.
Brazilian comes first. The girl is very professional and nice. Made it a wonderful experience. She appreciated my candid demeanor and we had pleasant conversation about everything from sex, rimming, rude koreans, Filipino food, etc.
The waxing wasn't too bad. It felt like when you rip off a bandaid. Except on my taint. That was a little more painful. She asked if I would like my balls done. I said no, but asked could she help shave it. She was already planning on it she says. It was an interesting experience, and me and this girl felt pretty familiar with each other by the end.
Next up was the massage. She was like, "the guy will give you massage, OK?" I'm like, "what are you, nuts? Hell no."
"you said you like strong massage."
"I do, but I don't want any man hands on my body. You think I'm some type of homosexual?
She laughs, "OK sir, no problem, don't worry."
Turns out the "guy" was a faggot that moonlights as a ladyboy. I guess me getting the Brazilian made them think I was a homo. I can understand. I probably would think the same thing. I mean, I was embarrassed the first time I got a manicure.
The same girl does the massage upstairs in a private area. She was good. Strong fingers. She could probably open a coconut with those fingers. I wanted the massage only on my head, neck, shoulders, arms, and hands. And I didn't want to lie down. Don't ask why, I just didn't feel like it. She didn't offer anything extra but she asked a lot about my sex life so I know it was on the table. I didn't come all the way over here for a hand job or for any massage parlor pussy. I do that at home. In fact, I'm a pro at Asian massage parlors in the states. I'm especially good at getting services that aren't on the menu. Maybe 1 day I'll write about that.
I take a shower to get the oil off. Next was the foot scrub. I've actually never had this done nor a pedicure. So she's scrubbing my foot and there's like a pound of sawdust that comes off. She's like "look, fertilizer!" I'm like "yeah you could build a snowman with all that" all of a sudden, this other girl walks in who's real cute and sees me getting a foot scrub in my boxers and starts saying something in tagalog. I knew it was about me, so I'm like, "what was that?" she looks at me and says, "your hot!
"well your not so bad urself" I tell her, "come over here and keep me company. " so this cutie sits in the chair next to me and we have a nice chat while the other girl finishes up my feet. Next I get a facial. It's a long process. She puts a mask on my face and let's the fan blow on me. I eventually doze off. The girl wakes me up and peels off the mask and cleans me up. At this point, I'm tired of this place. I tell them I'll come back for the mani and pedi. And I will. Next trip. Whole thing cost me 1200 pesos and I gave 300 p tip to the girl. She was stoked with that. I went to a store grabbed a coconut water. Came out, and hailed a trike. Offered 100 p to take me to ABC. He agreed too quick. Shouldda offered 50 p. I could have called for a shuttle, but I didn't want to wait around. I had a date to prepare for.
Absolute757
03-19-23, 12:00
So I get back to ABC and text my date to see where she's at. Says she's 30 min out. So I freshen up and call housekeeping to come up and clean the room. They say, "right away, sir. " I go up to the gym and shoot the shit with the personal trainer there. This dude looks like hes on steroids. He gots like 18" arms. My arms are less than 16". I challenge him to arm wrestling. He shies away from the challenge. I'm like " your bigger than me bro, what you worried about?" he was probably worried about hurting me. Than I challenge him to pull ups. Which he accepts. He does 9. 18" arms and all he can do is 9 pull ups. At first he wasnt even going all the way down. Then I knock out 17 and ask him to guess my age. Hes like "28. " Haha. That's the confidence boost I wanted. I do some dips to make my chest swell up. I get the text that my girl is here so I tell the trainer to quit juicing and head downstairs.
My girl is waiting in the lobby. I told her I would pay for the trike but I guess she already took care of it. I give her a hug and a kiss on the cheek. She's wearing these big black frame glasses that she didn't have in any of her photos. They don't look bad tho. She's still pretty and her body is tight. She's a gym rat like me. I ask her if she's hungry and she says no she's fine. Hmmm. Turning down free food? That's a first. So I walk her to the restaurant on the first floor and chill on the couch. I order a glass of milk and 2 raw eggs. I make a little small talk and my order arrives. I sip a little milk and then crack both eggs into the glass and then gulp it down, rocky style. The girl is looking at me bewildered. I look at her and wink, "protein shake. " She smiles and nods her head as if to say, "interesting. " she's a gym rat, she gets it. I sign my bill and take her to the elevator. As soon as the elevator doors close I walk up to her, wrap my arms around her and lift her up. She starts giggling. I spin her around and as soon as the elevator stops (I'm on the 2nd floor) I put her down and step away quickly as if to pretend like nothing happened and like I don't want anyone else to see what we were doing. She's digging it. Doors open and we walk to my room.
Ok some stats.
Shelly.
23 yo, 5'3, weighs about a buck, blonde hair, not very curvy, but nice thick thighs and a round tight ass.
I get Shelly a Sam Miguel out of the minibar. And I put on some music. I play some new american dance music. "Distance" by omarion. And she's into it. Puts her beer down and starts twerking. Putting her hands on the windowsill and showing off her ass. She's got some moves. So I admire her and dance with her a little. Do a little groping. Trying not to come on too strong. Like I would feel her up and then back away. And then lean into her again. Doing the whole push and pull / cat and mouse routine. Basically trying to build up tension. Then I remind her of my gift. I go to my bag and pull out some Calvin Klein thongs I brought. They were 2 for $6 at Tijuana maxx. I tell her that I bet her ass would look phenomenal in them and that I can't wait to see her try them on. She takes them into the bathroom and begins to change. I can see everything as the bathroom has a glass wall. I don't gawk tho, I just peer out of the corner of my eyes as I pull my own shirt and pants off. So she comes back and I'm in my boxer's doing push ups. I know it sounds cheesy, but girls like seeing guys do push ups. Plus I was trying not to look too thirsty for her. I look at her and say "wow, they look nice. Let me take a pic. " I take a few snaps and she moves over to the bed. She's ready. She's been ready. I move in on top of her, keeping space between us. Kissing her on her cheek, then down to her neck, then shoulders, then chest. She can't resist and pulls me in for the DFK. We're making out and the passion is escalating. I stop her and hold her down. Make my lips down her body to that mound in the Calvin kleins. Start breathing on her pussy thru the thongs. Kiss around her thighs, lift her legs and bite her ass. LOL. She's loving it. Thrusting her pussy in the air at this point. I slowly start rubbing it and she's moaning. I pull the panties to the side to reveal a pretty pink pussy with exposed lips and her clit poking out. Get started DATY. I command her to give me some cum. And she starts grinding her pussy against the flat top of my tongue. Right when I think she's about to explode I stop and stand up. She snaps out of a trance and comes over to the edge of the bed in all fours. Pulls my boxers down and starts devouring my dick. She's working the mic like she's auditioning for American idol LOL. She was pretty good too. Twisting her head around, using a lot of tongue action. It was tremendous. I lay down and she continues for a while. She let's me slap her lips with it, she's following commands. Eventually I pull her on top and she starts working her hips like a belly dancer. Back and forth, circular motion. This ***** can fuck. We switched a few positions and eventually I was fucking her standing up while she laid on her back on the bed, her butt on a pillow. I pulled out and hosed her down. Some of it hit her chin. LOL. That protein shake had me loaded. So then we shower. Sit on the couch. Share a smoke and talk for a bit. She's got a smile from ear to ear like a ninja turtle. It made me smile. So then I'm like I got to go meet with some American friends later from work and I take her down to the lobby. In the elevator I give her the 1000 p "trike money" and she accepts without even really looking at it. She was happy, you could tell. She kept saying how she wanted to see me later and I told her I would txt her soon as I'm free. Walked her out and began getting ready for my next date in about an hour.
Continuing with more of day 2. And it's a long night to go.
So I have a date at 5 pm and its 4. And I need some energy. I go up to the aqua bar. Sit down and order some beef carpaccio and a coconut water. At aqua they bust open the coconut and put the straw inside. I haven't had it like this since the Bahamas. Super refreshing. I can feel the electrolytes going to work. There's not a lot of people there. There's a couple older black guys smoking cigars. Their smoking like a wine connoisseur drinks merlot. They are smelling the side of the cigar, playing with the smoke as they exhale. They were really making a show of it all. Then there's this older white dude with his pretty young thing he has for a date. He's in his 60's at least, but he's jacked. He's built like Stallone. I wonder what type of cycle he's running. I toy with the idea of asking him, but I don't want him to roid rage on me. Him and his girl are not talking. Like no conversation. I mean, they are going thru the motions of having a meal but you could tell they got nothing to talk about. Then there was this group of goofy Koreans on some sofas. I think they had 1 girl and 4 guys. Just being goofy. Dancing while sitting down, pumping there fists in the air, acting like teenage ravers on drugs. It was embarrassing. I don't remember who else was there. Not many people tho. It felt like more staff than patrons. My carpaccio comes out and I tear into it like a rabid wolf. I didn't realize I was so hungry. I had to make a conscious effort to chew thoroughly. It was great beef tho. It had shaved cheese on it and a little vinegar. It melted in my mouth as I scarfed it down. Within minutes tho, I felt my vitality coming back. So after I'm done I leave and go to the sauna / gym area where they also have a small massage studio. Theres 4 girls working there. 3 of them are fuckable and 1 is an 8/10. I ask who has the strongest hands and it's the non-fuckable 1. LOL. I don't care. I'm like let's go. I need a shoulder and neck massage. We go over to the massage chair. The kind where you straddle and put your face in a donut pillow. She gets to work, and she's good. Strong hands. Nightgardener should check out this place. I ask her where she learned it from. She says she went to school for it and has certifications. I believe her. We go for 30 min. She tells me that I can call her to the room later if I want another massage. I take a look at her chubby face and body. She's built like the penguin from batman. I think to myself. If she massages me good like this on the rest of my body, I might just fuck her out of gratitude. I know, I'm a sick fuck. But she had skills. I get up, pay the 300 p and give her a kiss on the cheek. It took her by surprise. But you could tell she liked the gesture. The other girls giggled hard. It's almost 5 pm now and I realize I left my phone in my room. I go the room and grab my phone. I got missed calls from my date. I call her back. She's like "what happened? Where you been?" I tell her I was having lunch and left the phone in my room. Plus you told me 5 pm. So she's like "cool, I'll be there in 30 min. " I take the time to straighten up my room. Spray some cologne around. Get my sex music playlist ready. It's a mix of John Mayer, Gary clark jr, music soul child, the weekend and some other blues style R&B.
So my girl texts me when she's pulling up and I go down and get her from outside. As I'm paying the trike, there's a street vendor who tries to show me his collection of wooden toy guns and a bow and arrow. I'm like, "you got any real guns? I only collect real guns. " I'm making trigger motions with my fingers. He laughs and says no. "Come back when you got some real guns" that's enough to send him on his way. I look to my girl who's standing beside me now and she looks fucking hot. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but this girl was someone I could be with.
Shirley.
4'11, 110 maybe, thick and curvy, but not fat at all. A few more pounds and she might be chubby. But she was built like a stallion. 36 c with a Puerto Rican booty. Guys back home would be tripping over themselves to get next to her. I've been talking to her the most online and her personality is really great. She has low self esteem because her family members tease her about being "big. " But she's not at all. She's just not rail thin. Beautiful hair and eyes. I give her an 8.5 in the looks and a 9 with her personality. She works as a caregiver for the elderly. Real sweet girl. She has a tiktok page where she has videos of her dancing. And I've watched them quite a few times already.
She's never been to the ABC hotel. And she's excited to be there. So I bring her inside give her a small tour of the downstairs and take her up to the aqua bar. We walk past the massage desk. All the girls are waving at me and smiling. Shirley goes, "you know them?" I'm like, "naa, they just saw me working out earlier. " LOL.
So we go to the bar and I'm like, "what will you have?" I was thinking she might say Sam Miguel apple or some other girly cocktail. She orders a bottled water. And those are complimentary. I'm falling in love already. I get a shot of Johnny Walker black straight up and a bottle of water also. We chat. Exchange niceties and all that. She's admiring the pool, view, and all the facilities. We start playing a game where we guess what other people are saying to each other. Like making up silly conversations. It was fun and we're laughing like school children. Then at some point, I'm like, let me show you my kick ass room. She's like, "let's go" in this "I thought you'd never ask" tone.
I get her in the room and you can tell that she's kinda blown away. But she keeps her composure. Real classy chick. I sit her down, offer her something from the mini bar. She declines any alcohol, but accepts a juice. She doesn't drink and I find it endearing. But I'm kinda worried that the inhibitions might be too high. So then I run some cold reading routines on her. Some palm reading. She seems impressed with my parlor trick bullshit. So then I bring up my "gift" and I wip out some bra and thongs that I got her. Its juicy couture on sale from Marshall's. I tell her I got it from Victoria secrets. LOL. She eats it up, "Victoria secret, wow!" Acting all grateful. So I tell her to try it on, I want to see. She slips out of her sundress, right there in front of me. What was I saying about inhibitions? Well this girl has little if any. She's butt naked with her ass in front of me taking the tags off the merchandise. Her ass looks delicious. And I don't even eat ass.
I take some pictures and she seems to like posing. This girl does have videos of herself online so she's not camera shy. So I beckon her over to the couch and she comes over and straddles my lap as I sit down. I can't keep my hands always and start caressing her. Real gently at first. I run my hand down the side of her face pushing her hair to the side. I get to the back of her neck and rest my hand there. We look in each other's eyes for a second. She gives me a sexy look. I pull her in for the DFK. Now we're making out like teenagers in the backseat. She's grinding on my lap. I can't get my pants down fast enough. Switching hands from my pants to her face while I kiss her. She gets off my lap and down on her knees in front of me. Starts giving me some wet, sloppy head which I fucking adore. She's making noises and slurping and I'm loving it. Giving her all kinds of encouragement. Then she pulls the thongs off and climbs on me cow girl while I'm on the couch. I'm palming her ass and she's rocking back and forth. Then she flexes her pussy and clamps down on my cock. OMFG its amazing. I thought the last girl could fuck. But this pussy clamping technique is making my eyes roll up in my head. She's like, "can you feel that?" I can't even fucking form words. "Its something I've been working on" who is the fucking jedi who taught her this shit? I stand up and pick her up. Walk with her my dick still inside, fuck her standing up for a minute and then body slam her on the bed. We go missionary for a few and then I'm like, "I want to fuck you like a doggy " it sounds silly when I write it. But when I said it, it sounded hot. So I stand up and she gets on all fours and backs that ass up to the edge of the bed. So now I'm smashing from behind and that ass is magnificent. I mean it's like a soft, silky pillow. I grab her hair. Slap her ass a few times. She let out a moan on each slap. Then I tell her to "squeeze it". I feel her clamp down and holy fuck, I'm losing it. After not even 5 minutes I can't hold out. I start to cum and pull out and spill half my load on her ass crack. I continue to rub my dick up and down her crack smearing my cum all over her ass. My knees are weak. She collapses forward. I'm about to pass out. I stabilize myself by putting my hand on the glass wall of the bathroom. She looks back at me and I try to stand up tall like I'm good. But I'm breathing like I'm about to have a heart attack. "you ok? " she says. "Yeah of course" I take a deep breath into my chest and walk toward the shower trying to keep my composure. I'm feeling woozy AF. I go into the shower, close the shower door, and sit down on the bench. "Holy moly, wtf just happened" I'm thinking to myself. I basically slap myself in the face and tell myself to get it together. I take a shower and come out. She goes in. Man. I think I love this broad. I make myself snap out of it. Drink some water, put my pants on, and find my vape. I'm thinking like, "can it even get any better than this?" She comes out and gets dressed. I put my shirt on and she's ready to go. I didn't even have to say anything. I just motion to the door, she grabs her stuff and follows. In the elevator, I give her the 1000 p "trike funds" as usual and she takes it. Doesn't look happy or disappointed. I couldn't tell what she was thinking. But she thanked me. (I should be thanking her) and I walked her out. I'm spent. But my nights not over and I start making plans for my evening as I go thru my phone.
Absolute757
03-19-23, 12:06
Day 2 evening.
Now I'm a little hazy on the next part. I remember I was trying to line up my next date. I have a lot of girls that I've been talking to. And a lot that gave me their number and I didn't even contact yet since I left home. I'm trying to prioritize who I want to see first based on hotness. Stella has been trying to get back with me, but of course I'm not ready to repeat. So I remember talking to Jona from the first night. She said she had plans at home with family but could meet me the next day. I set a lunch date for the next day and she was down. (I ended up flaking on her, but I'm still in touch) I talked to one tiny spinner who I was really looking forward to. But when I told her I was in AC at ABC, she acted like she didn't believe me. I got annoyed with her. Like I'm not going to keep repeating myself in a text. I just didn't have patience for the immaturity. I ended up contacting this Slim girl name Nikki (real name) I met on cupid who seemed really polite in our text convo. Everything I asked her, she responded with "yes po. Ok po". Not really the conversationalist and I wasn't able to gauge her personality. But she was slim and hot. So I say come to my hotel for a drink. She asks if she can bring her cousin. So I ask, "is she cute?. Like you?" She says yes and sends a pic. I see the cousin and she's even hotter than her. I respond with "come on". I'm excited. So she says they'll be over in an hour. I start getting ready. I realize now, that I made a big mistake not communicating my expectations for the date. I'm playing it by ear like it's a regular non p4 p first date. In hindsight, I can see my where I went wrong. But since my last 3 sessions had been real easy, I got sloppy.
So I go to my room and freshen up, put on cologne, brush my teeth, etc. I call housekeeping to change my towels out. I make my own bed. Then I go to aqua to chill and wait for my date. It's like 9 pm at this point. Its ladies night at aqua and it's pretty active up there. Quite a few ladies. Some Europeans, Indians, and a lot of Koreans. I grab a sofa by the pool and order a coconut water. I light up a Cuban cigar I've been saving that I got from Mexico city. On the couch next to me are two pretty girls with sheesha and drinks but I don't really talk to anyone. I'm kind of in a zone with my phone texting girls. I'm still recouping from the last session and I'm thinking of what to eat. I decide to go with beef and salmon carpaccio since I have 2 girls coming and I'm wondering if these cousins will let me pull a 3 some with them. I should have just texted them and asked. (Would have cleared any confusion and redefined my whole night. You'll see).
I look over to my left and the table with 2 girls has turned into 4 girls. One of them is wearing these stretch yoga pants and her ass is to die for. She's standing over the table facing her friends with her back towards me. She's looking at her phone. I stand up and lean in to her ear. "Hey, would you mind taking my pic?" She says sure, no problem and I hand her my phone. She takes a few pics, like she's trying to get the perfect one. I say thanks and her friend on the couch starts asking me where I'm from and what not. I say "I'm from earth" and play all nonchalant. "What's your race?" One of them asks. "I'm half man, half amazing" . Just fucking with them. Not trying to answer anything directly, you know, being "mysterious. " So they ask me what I'm doing alone or whatever and I say I'm waiting for friends. I'm giving yoga pants the eyes tho and a sly smile. Just then I get the text from the slim twins that they're downstairs.
Ok so my dates have arrived and I tell the waiter to keep an eye on my stuff and cover my plate. I go downstairs and walk to the lobby. I see 2 girls sitting on the couches into their phones. They see me and stand up. There wearing matching outfits. Tube tops and snug fitting skirts. Nikki has a darker complexion matching mine and her cousin (don't remember the name) is very fair skinned. But they both look good. Nikki kind of has this Latina gangster look about her face. The cousin has a real angelic, innocent look. Their both super slim around 5'5 and beautiful in their own way. My face lights up with a smile. They remain very straight faced. I shake Nikki's hand and lean in and give her kiss on the cheek like a Frenchman. The cousin, I just shake her hand and introduce myself. I say "shall we?" And lead the way.
You could tell they've been there before. And the way they're acting. This isn't their first rodeo with a foreigner. We get to aqua and I take them to my table, sitting opposite both of them. Immediately the cousin is nose deep in the menu. They order drinks, which are free because its ladies night. I have my carpaccio in front of me so I offer both a bite. They look at my plate like "wtf is that?" I'm like "just try" and feed them both a bite one by one. So they are like, "what is it?" I say its beef. "Is it uncooked?" Asks the cousin. "Yeah its raw" I say, trying to sound macho. They're not impressed. I continue to dig into my plate. I look up and see the cousin is talking to the waiter pointing at something on the menu. Then Nikki says to me, is it ok if we order some nachos. I'm like, "no problem. " Its a good thing she asked tho, because if she would have ordered without my permission, I would have fussed her out and gave them both a lecture.
So I finish my plate. And try to talk to them but they can't really hear me. So I move across the table and sit next to both of them on the couch, beside Nikki. I try to have a conversation with them but I quickly realize that both of them lack English comprehension skills. But I persevere. Trying to keep both of them engaged. They are friendly and polite but not very warm. They remind me of the stuck up model types I've dated in America. You have to break thru they're ***** shield. Usually not a problem for me, but since its 2 of them and their language skills are weak, it's a little challenging. My usual ice breakers and jokes are met with looks of confusion. But I remain smiling and jovial. The cousin's ***** shield is extra strong. But I continue to tease her and can see I'm wearing her down. Their talking to each other a lot in tagalog. I have to interrupt a lot and ask what they're saying. They do this a couple more times and I'm like "ok, you want to play like that?" I say in my head.
I turn to the girls sitting at the table to the left. I get up and walk over to them. "you guys are too adorable, let me get a picture. " I whip out my phone. I gesture for them to huddle together and they happily oblige. Making several poses. (That's where the photo from the last post came from.) I talk to them for a little bit standing over them. I get them laughing. Then Nikki calls me back to my seat. "Oh so now you want my attention?" I think to myself. (I knew this would happen) So I sit back between them, and they ask, "do you know them?" I'm like, " not really, I met them while I was waiting for you guys. " So then Nikki says something in tagalog to the cousin and I hear the word "freelancers" I laugh to myself. These bitches know the terminology. I notice my phone is almost dead. I tell nikki let's go to my room because I need to charge my phone for a bit. She's like ok and tells cousin. They down their beers and we head out. They barely even touched their nachos and decline taking them to go.
So we go back to my room and they chill on the couch. I ask if I can get them a drink or something while I plug in my phone. Nikki asks for a yoohoo juicebox out of the minibar. I get it for her. Cousin remains quiet. So then I pour me a double of Johnny Walker black. Put on some music and sit between them on the couch. I'm checking out the cousin and she's acting like she's hot stuff. I make faces at her and she makes faces back like she gots an attitude. That's it. I grab her, put her in a headlock, and proceed to give her a nuggy. She starts giggling, and tries to give me one back. Haha. ***** shield broken. I turn and start talking to Nikki. We talk for a minute about something, I make a comment about her lips and how they're kind of juicy. Then I say, "on a scale of 1-10, how would you rate urself as a kisser?" She looks at me totally confused. I might as well have been speaking German. I say again, "on a scale of. (deep breath) are you a good kisser?" she's like, "uuuuuuuuh. " I grab the back of her head with one hand and kiss her. She barely puckers her lips. "That was terrible" I say. "What? Did you teach her that?" I say to the cousin. Cousin looks surprised. I look back at Nikki like I'm waiting for an answer. She's acting embarrassed. I say, "ok I'll give you another chance" I go in again. This time she gives me a little passion. But she doesn't let me kiss her for long. She says, " just wait" like I'm moving too fast. I just say, " that was bad too. But your getting better" I get up to go to the bathroom. "Brb. " When I come back, I notice the cousin has her own juicebox. Did this ***** just go in my minibar without permission? I'm about to let her have it. But I let it slide without making an issue. I didn't want to ruin the vibe. But that's strike 1. Nikki talks about going out to the club. I'm like that's cool because I do want to check out the nightclub scene while I'm here. I tell them I walked by HiSo the night before but it was early and the place was empty. Nikki says we can go there but she has to leave out by 12:30 because her kid is at home. It's like 10:30 at this point. Big red flag going off in my head. But I think even if they do leave, going to walking street with these 2 bad bitches will only up my value and make me look good to all the other girls out there. And I can always ditch them for someone else.
So I check and see that I have about 30% on phone. I grab some money out the safe. They let me take a couple pics and we head out.
Transporter
03-19-23, 14:50
Had a friend staying at ABC Hotel tell me he woke up Sunday morning with a drip. He thumbed thru the guest directory book and saw ABC has a doctor on call. Dial the front desk for an appointment. He called the front desk, nice lady asked unjudgemental did he have symptoms? He said yes and she replied she will ask the concierge how to handle it as it was Sunday.
5 minutes later front desk lady called back and said the concierge will drive him to a closed clinic as the nurse will come in special for him. 10 minutes later he was there. Nurse confirmed with him his drip and asked him if he wanted to do a test or just get the antibiotic injection and some tablets to take for a number of days. He got the shot in the rear and supply of antibiotics pills. 2500 all in to the clinic plus 500 tip to the nurse.
Can't beat that.Cora's (and others) sell azithro right at the window. Its to the point now you can change money and take care of the end result at the same time.
Cora's (and others) sell azithro right at the window. Its to the point now you can change money and take care of the end result at the same time.What is Cora's and where is Cora's?
Absolute Van Winkle dude it is March 20, 2023!
Transporter
03-20-23, 09:37
One of the many money changers right on the main road.
MrHappyKat
03-22-23, 10:47
My car service showed up early to my Manila hotel. Front desk called me. Fortunately I had just finished my last post and was already packed. Checked out and saddled up. The drive took about 2 hours, with 45 minutes just getting out of Manila traffic. Arrived at ABC Hotel around 12:15 pm. Check in took a few minutes, so they offered me a free shot of Tequila while I waited. Tequila? Why yes! Yes, indeed!
Up to the room. If you haven't been here, or haven't looked at their website, well, it's like gaudy meets luxury meets opulent, and had a baby named Pimp Pad. Got settled in and went downstairs for lunch, hung out at one of the bars, then back to the room for a nap. At 7:00 pm, cleaned up and headed to Walking Street to take it all in. Grabbed a drink at Envoy and chatted up a Euro-pensioner at the outer rail seats for a while. Then it was time to club-hop:
1. XS. Packed, lots of girls generally split into dancers doing routines (black lingerie, quasi-cheerleaders, and black electrical tape "bikinis," plus touts, and barfine girls. One of the junior mamasan's got me a seat and I was joined by two girls right away. The stage shows were non-stop. Both my girls were clingy. In a good way. But one was more aggressive / suggestive and the other came off a shy (or just bored LOL). I finally decided to buy them each a drink when the shy one started making out with me. Judge me for that as you like. LOL. She wanted 5 k for LT and I almost went for it. But I had a personal rule to never take the 1st viable opportunity. A rule I will likely ignore from now on. I ultimately paid my drink bill (about 1100) and bailed.
2. Cosplay. Ok, this club is here as a joke, right? Zero custies in the place. One semi-cute girl outside trying to hustle up business, and about 8-10 girls inside on a raised stage running down the center of the shoebox-shaped place doing the zombie-shuffle and hoping I was drunk enough to think they were dancing. They have this ping-pong ball thing. It looks stupid, and so I naturally thought that meant it was actually going to be something sexy and fun. (Hey I've been to Bananan Bar in Amsterdam, ok?) Turns out it looked stupid because it was. Wait for it. Stupid. I paid Php500 for a small basket of balls, and was advised that for each one I tossed to a girl, she would get 20 pesos. See what I mean? Stupid. I was trying to make eye contact with 2 of the girls who I could be happy taking ST, but both of them had that Zombie shuffle down pat, including that lifeless look in their eyes. I bailed.
3. Monsoons. Stuck my head in, and left. Nothing going on in there.
4. Dollhouse. Ok another stage show with 2-3 groups of 12-14 ladies on stage at one time. Took a seat in the back corner and watched the show for a while. Lower energy than XS, but definitely higher than Cosplay. I spotted one girl in semi-see-through lingerie. Slim and demure, and she returned my eye contact with a nice smile. I eventually called her over and we chatted for a while. We chatted and cuddled for a while as we consumed a round of drinks. I started asking her if she wanted me to barfine her, she did. 5 K for LT. Or she told me she could ask one of her friends if she wanted to do a 3-way together. I declined the 3-way (I'll get to that in the next day or 2). I called the Mamasan over was about to pull the trigger when the girl told me a condom was required. This brought everlasting sadness to me. Until she offered to ask her friend if she was down for BB. She was. Another tiny spinner wearing skimpy lingerie. With the last second substitution made, I checked her out and we headed to my hotel.
In her street clothes, I realized how tiny she was, maybe 4'10" and I'd say about 93 lbs. Game on. Up to my room, no ID check needed at the front desk.
She asked if she could drink a SML from my mini-bar. Of course. We chatted on the sofa as drinks were finished. Then clothes came off and she gave me a semi-nice back massage on the bed. I flipped over and things progressed as you might expect through a few positions. Finished with a CIP and she went off to the bathroom to get cleaned up. I am generally a one-and-done guy, so I let her know she could stay overnight, or head out. She bailed as you might expect.
Day 5 - Starts with commerce. Breakfast at the hotel was excellent. Took a tour around the Aqua Beach Club bar / pool area after, then headed to SM Cark to shop for cheap crap I can give as gifts to family and friends when I get home. I'll be trying Jolibee for dinner before working WS from the far end tonight. Look for a new report sometime tomorrow.
I called the Mamasan over was about to pull the trigger when the girl told me a condom was required. This brought everlasting sadness to me. Until she offered to ask her friend if she was down for BB.Wise of you not to try to get the girl to change her mind. Leaving out the morals of "forcing" a girl to go BB when she does want to, there are often good reasons why girls temporarily tarp up.
Best not to push it and find she was actually trying to protect you.
BTW, good reports. 👍.
Enjoy. G.
Gianni Versace
03-23-23, 00:09
Can anyone tell me if the ABC hotel is still he best luxury hotel in Angeles City? If not what would you say is the best luxury hotel close to the action. TIA.
FuriousGeorge
03-23-23, 01:08
I hope the practice continues of the girl letting you know a condom is required before the barfine. This has only happened to me once but I appreciated it so I could look elsewhere.
ABC is great, but for convenience to walking street, luxury, price, and girl friendliness, Central Park Tower gets my vote.
Can anyone tell me if the ABC hotel is still he best luxury hotel in Angeles City? If not what would you say is the best luxury hotel close to the action. TIA.I prefer Fields Plaza Suites. Not as over the top as ABC but much better location, behind McDonalds Fields, and a range of rooms and suites. Getting to and from ABC everytime you want to go somewhere sucks.
The service is to ABC standards because it's run by the same group.
Enjoy. G.
MrHappyKat
03-23-23, 02:53
Can anyone tell me if the ABC hotel is still he best luxury hotel in Angeles City? If not what would you say is the best luxury hotel close to the action. TIA.Can't really compare to other hotels, as this is my 1st time in AC. I have been using Grab cars to get to / from the hotel and all parts of WS. It's been 120 p each way, every time. I am never going to fit into a trike and my knees won't let me walk from the hotel to WS. As to ABC itself, it lives up to the hype.
Can't really compare to other hotels, as this is my 1st time in AC. I have been using Grab cars to get to / from the hotel and all parts of WS. It's been 120 p each way, every time. I am never going to fit into a trike and my knees won't let me walk from the hotel to WS. As to ABC itself, it lives up to the hype.Are you in the older building or the newer tower?
Personally I like the non smoking Aqua Suite in the newer tower.
I hope the practice continues of the girl letting you know a condom is required before the barfine. This has only happened to me once but I appreciated it so I could look elsewhere.
ABC is great, but for convenience to walking street, luxury, price, and girl friendliness, Central Park Tower gets my vote.My three basic questions.
A. Are you a non smoker?
Be. Boom boom Wala condom?
See. Can finish twice whether st or LT?
Yes to all three then we barfine.
MrHappyKat
03-23-23, 03:40
As mentioned in my last post, breakfast at ABC, then shopping at SM Clark Mall for touristy gifts for the muggles back home.
After my shopping spree. Found cheap scented candles, but could not find souvenir shot glasses for my travel collection. I took a nap and as I got ready to head out, heard from another forum members here who saw my post on the Travel Notice Board. We arranged to meet at one of the clubs and I took a Grab to the Jolibee on MacArthur. Jolibee food was_ Well as expected. I headed back to WS and started looking at clubs. Tried Arabesque 1st. Mistake. They had maybe 5-8 girls there and one or two were pretty good looking. They have a sign over the bar that says: "Lady Drinks 5,000 PHP" I had to walk over to the bar to make sure I read it correctly. Big buzz kill, I was getting no traction or eye contact from any of the girls, so I bailed to the club next door, which seems to be owned by Arabesque. Bailed again and moved on to Lollipops.
Lollipops was buzzing. Slid into a seat and watched the crowded stage for a while. The babes were, well, babes! Lots of hard body types in bikinis or lingerie. Maybe 3 out of 10 were not to my liking, and there were 5-7 that I thought were outstanding. I had been updating my location to the other ISG member (let's call him "O" for other.) and he joined me in Lollipops. We hung there for about 40 minutes and decided to check out other places. We generally hopped along towards Brown Sugar, where O found two girls to hang with for a while. I pulled a 21-year old spinner in sheer yellow lingerie and we chatted for a while. I was ready to pull the trigger and made some joke about sleeping in a king-size bed. And then she told me she couldn't do LT because she was too worried about her daughter in the hospital. I hadn't been thinking of taking her LT, but this revelation just killed the mood for me. Appreciate that she told me and I think she was still down for ST, but I didn't see even ST working well for me while she was focused on her daughter (who is OBVIOUSLY a priority!) So I passed and told O I was going to check out other places. I left him there literally surrounded by 4 generous boobs.
Headed over to Carousel and hit a jackpot. Sort of. Maybe 15 girls also in skimpy lingerie. After a while I pulled a brunette over and chatted her up. She is 28, slim, petite and demure. Right in my target zone. I was joking around about various sex acts (as a kind of test to see her reactions) and she mentioned that she had never given a BJ before. Ok red flag. But when I suggested I could teach her she said ok. I decided to risk it. Barfine for LT was 4 K. Headed to ABC, and she was submissive and receptive to my BJ instructions. But there were other issues. She was afraid of CIP and as she is new to oral she wasn't ready for CIM either. Made me wonder how she could be working at a bar and getting by with HJ finishes. We eventually did finish and went to sleep. Woke up around 5:30 am for another round and after that she went home.
Like I said in my last report: my new motto is "If I'm fucking, I'm learning. " I learned a lot last night.
NapaSlapper
03-23-23, 11:34
OK, an AC veteran has posted a pic of one of his AC gogo girls. Just as NS requested.
Napa: Using your slide rule and good judgement, look deep into this gal's eyes, and tell us: Is she up to snuff for the gents to come to AC? I vote YES. Is she a 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10?
Doc: Great pic, she's beautiful.Think you will find the posted photo has been highly filtered as others have said.
Not into fake tits either, but lets say the photo had not been highly filtered and the girl actually looks like her photo in real life, has real blue eyes and of course has a pussy instead of a cock, no massive jollie bee belly and a back and legs that are not full of tats then maybe worth a punt at the right price.
Unfortunately many unknowns remain to be sure.
GoodEnough
03-23-23, 16:20
I prefer Fields Plaza Suites. Not as over the top as ABC but much better location, behind McDonalds Fields, and a range of rooms and suites. Getting to and from ABC everytime you want to go somewheayedre sucks.
The service is to ABC standards because it's run by the same group.
Enjoy. G.I've stayed at Plaza Suites twice, when I showed up unexpectedly at ABC and it was full, so I had to stay for a night at Plaza. It's nice enough, but at least when I stayed there, it had no restaurant or bar which was a downer for me. I would by no means call either Plaza Suites of ABC "luxury" in the traditional sense of judging accommodations, but in my opinion, it's the best that Angeles has to offer.
GE.
WestCoast1
03-23-23, 16:44
Thanks the reply.
and legs that are not full of tats then maybe worth a punt at the right price.Interesting. Duh, moment of enlightenment (for me). Tats have never been a turn-on, nor a turn-off, for me.
Not into fake tits either, Same comment.
Think you will find the posted photo has been highly filtered as others have said. SNIP but lets say the photo had not been highly filtered and the girl actually looks like her photo in real life, has real blue eyesOF COURSE its filtered. Girls set the filters on their phones for any selfie. Pic posters here filter / edit many pics before posting them (tats, birthmarks, blurred eyes or anything else that might identify someone must come off -- depending the poster).
and of course has a pussy instead of a cock, no massive jollie bee belly and a back and legs that are not full of tats then maybe worth a punt at the right price.Is there (in your mind) any reason to think that the person in the picture DOES have a dick? The OP says he has been with her multiple times, and is long-time contributor here. Is there any reason to think that after banging her many times, and that he got her from a bar (Dollhouse), that she's a tranny? What are the odds of a tranny working in DH for multiple years? What are the odds of a long-time contributor here getting fooled many times? Multiply those two percentages together.
Unfortunately many unknowns remain to be sure.Lets look at that, what you are asking for. Some thoughts:
1) Were (are) you asking for someone to take (and post) a current picture that shows all of the girl, showing her face, unfiltered? That's just not reasonable. We post the pics we have access to; we don't go around looking to take a specific pic for a specific Board member.
2) Of course her eyes aren't blue. So? I'd be happy to tag this gal even if shown the unfiltered pic.
3) It appears now that you want more than a posted picture. You want pics of her face, frontal figure, rear-view (back) pic, to include all of her skin (so you can check for tats or stretch marks or such). That would mean multiple pics of the same girl. Why didn't you say that in the first place, so the rest of us could get started on that.
4) By telling us what you can't see in the pic, you are telling us what turns you off (a dick, eye color, fake tatas, jollie-belly, and tats). Any of those things might be a turn-on for some gents here (admittedly, many of us don't want some of those things). You now make it almost impossible for any of us to show you a pic (multiple pics) of a girl you will find hot. They are out there, but you probably aren't going to get what you are looking for posted here.
I would suggest that you yourself post something along the lines of what you consider hot. Two such pics:
1) Frontal, nude, head-to-toe (don't want any unknowns) showing her face.
2) Back side, nude, head-to-toe (no tats).
Give us a better idea what you consider acceptable.
NapaSlapper
03-24-23, 01:22
Thoughts on What's been happening in the bars over the last 10 days over 4 separate barhops.
Avalon bar, very nice bar, always made to feel welcome by the Korean manager here,1st drink always on the house, great professional shows put on by the girls, it has great energy as a bar but is Korean orientated, never see many westerners here if at all, worth a few beers just for the shows.
Xs bar, this bar has probably the highest concentration of better looking slim girls of all the walking st bars, from the decor to the service to the shows it just is a class act, again mostly no westerners but many young high spending Asian making the girls feel like princesses, girls can be mighty choosy who they drink with and even more choosy who they will barfine with if at all, being Asian helps greatly with attracting some girl attention.
Qbar, another Asian orientated bar with Korean manager, a couple of nicer looking slim girls here but these girls always busy having drinks with high spending Asians, worth a beer for the nice ambiance.
Lollipop bar, mainly an expat western bar, see the same guy faces every visit, many friends like it because the girls tend to be more fun and hands on with punters, the problem I have with this bar is girl quality, seen 1 girls here several barhops ago that was quite cute, not seen her in the bar since and nothing else I would even buy a lady drink for.
Monsoon bar, geckos bar, paro paro bar, vikings bar, champagne bar, walked in walked out on several occasions, very small numbers of girls that in all honesty looked like they were past their sell by date a decade ago, catch 22 in these bars, low number of punters if any at all = management not having the funds to hire the type of girls that will attract customers to spend some time.
In summing up, many of the western owned bars were very very quiet, its amazing how some of these bars keep their doors open, in honesty no loss if they were to close.
The Asian oriented bars are doing much better, most nights they have high spending Koreans in, the girls tend to be much slimmer, cuter and younger than the western bars, great if one is an Asian because one will receive plenty of attention from the girls, westerners no so much so.
In all the top bars there are a section of girls that are drinks only girls, there are cute, younger girls that are cherrie girls (virgins) there are girls that will only sit with certain nationalities, only barfine with certain nationalities, it is what it is unfortunately.
Of all the different guys I bar hopped with a definite pattern emerges with every bar hop, if one sets the girl bar high then Angeles can be a disappointment, set the bar to I just want to get laid tonight and not too fussed by whom then a much better night can be had.
NapaSlapper
03-24-23, 02:29
Thanks the reply.
Interesting. Duh, moment of enlightenment (for me). Tats have never been a turn-on, nor a turn-off, for me.
Same comment.
OF COURSE its filtered. Girls set the filters on their phones for any selfie. Pic posters here filter / edit many pics before posting them (tats, birthmarks, blurred eyes or anything else that might identify someone must come off -- depending the poster).
Is there (in your mind) any reason to think that the person in the picture DOES have a dick? The OP says he has been with her multiple times, and is long-time contributor here. Is there any reason to think that after banging her many times, and that he got her from a bar (Dollhouse), that she's a tranny? What are the odds of a tranny working in DH for multiple years? What are the odds of a long-time contributor here getting fooled many times? Multiply those two percentages together.
Lets look at that, what you are asking for. Some thoughts:
1) Were (are) you asking for someone to take (and post) a current picture that shows all of the girl, showing her face, unfiltered? That's just not reasonable. We post the pics we have access to; we don't go around looking to take a specific pic for a specific Board member..With the highest respect westy, you obviously have way more time than you know what to do with.
Not expecting anything from anyone, if guys have unfiltered photos to post of the girls they barfined recently then all the better for the enjoyment of the board and to see if one agrees with if its worth a trip, don't have photos then no problem, members can judge based on trip reports whether a member is a fantasist or is balanced in his reporting.
You keep asking me to post some photos of the girls I have barfined recently, and I have replied to both yourself and other board members multiple times that I go to the bars to meet my friends and to conduct business meeting with would be clients, but do not barfine from the bars, preferring to go home and fuck my non pro live in girlfriend who in my eyes is far more to my taste than what's in the bars.
Posting photos of girls I did not barfine or have not barfined recently is of no use to this board, who cares what girls I might like outside of the girls that work in Angeles bars because guys want to know what's available in the bars as of now, not what was available months, years ago, or have never been available in the bars, after all this board is an Angeles based board that deals with Angeles bars and available girls in Angeles bars, hope that helps.
As always, Happy mongering.
ElMexicant
03-24-23, 06:34
Good taste. Can't see the body as well as the Doc's gal, but still, attractive. If you've boffed this one (at that time), consider yourself lucky. Unable to see the body on this model, she's a 7+ for me. If the figure is slender, she's an 8 (body being more important to me than face). BTW gents, you can post said pics minus the face if you like, the gents will still be able to make a call.She used to dance with that team of dancers that bounced from bar to bar on WS to do quick dance shows. This was a long time ago. No more than 42 kg at the time back then.
MrHappyKat
03-24-23, 07:30
Met up with "O" (the ISG member I mentioned) for lunch at Kokomos. Steak sandwich with fries. Not bad, not good.
We decided to do a bar crawl and see what the early afternoon scene was like. I was pleasantly surprised that at least 40% of the bars were open, though there were only a few visible FL's on the street. We went into the 1st door next to Kokomos, which is Angel Witch, formerly Voodoo, as Mamasan explained.
O has a knack for quickly engaging with the nearest girls to him, whether dancers or waitresses. He had a dancer and a hot waitress laughing, rubbing him through his pants and putting his hands on tits indiscriminately within 5 minutes. I thought I had decent game in these settings, but O is my new sherpa. I finally matched his style about 10 minutes later as I pulled a sweet spinner off the stage, along with another waitress who couldn't wait to have me suck her nipples. Laughing and making out with the spinner ensued. I ordered 4 shots of tequila for the 4 girls around us and happiness ensued. After another 15 minutes or so, Mamasan bought O and me a round of drinks.
Now on to my spinner: 27, tiny and tight, sparkling personality and eager to make out and grind on my lap. She was smart enough not to try the hard sell on me (pun intended) and was happy to let my eyes and hormones close the deal. I had plans to attend a pre-planned gathering at the Aqua Beach Club that night and figured it might be nice to bring my spinner along, after we did some horizontal bonding in my room. I asked her if she wanted to go with me to a party at ABC. Of course she did not hesitate to say yes. Meanwhile O seemed to have bonded with his girl as well.
So our bar crawl became a one-stop shopping trip for each of us. I paid my drink bill of 2 k, plus a 5 k LT bar fine and off we went. Back at the room my girl told me she was hungry. ABC room service to the rescue! One beef kare kare later and she was happy. We chatted as she ate. She's 27,2 kids (1 and 4) with the Pinoy father long gone. Her personality remained very sweet and she seemed to like the idea of maybe staying with me for an additional day or two, an idea I seriously considered. After a joint shower we spent a long time having lots of fun. Her bed skills were good, almost great. I had no significant complaints and was only slightly annoyed that was not ok with CIM. After play time, we got ready for the party on the roof. Thursdays are Fire Show Night at ABC. The show was, well it was three people spinning flaming objects on chains. Ok. The party attendees were a diverse group, maybe 15 guys and 5 women (who were a mix of SO's and short term dates). It was interesting that as my girl and I got to Cabana 1, she recognized another girl there from, well we all know where she was from, LOL. Mr O arrived a few minutes later (I had invited him) with this Angel Witch girl as well. Food, drinks, comradery ensued. The fire show started at 9:30-ish. Around 10:30 my girl and I left to get some more quality time in the room. This turned into an extended session and I finally drifted off to sleep around 2 am.
Now waking up next to this delightfully sweet, sexy, submissive angel, made me think that if I was really looking for a serious relationship with a Pinay, she might be_ HAHAHA! Just kidding! She was happy to spend another day with me, but we'd need to go back to the bar so I could pay another bar fine. I'm in AC for another 3 days, and though I would certainly be happy to drop a few more into her, I want to use my time more strategically. In other words, I want to bang more babes before I go back to Makati and try the P. Burgos scene from places like Filling Sation and Maison. I gave her 1 k tip and told her I may come by the bar tomorrow (I probably won't).
Over all, fewer bars (actually only 1) today but a very good experience. Incidentally, I didn't see any FLs at the ABC rooftop area. I expect that will be different tonight, Friday.
MarquisdeSade1
03-24-23, 10:42
His objective on this board is obvious, discourage all westerners from visiting at any cost, never say anything good about AC that would encourage them, I am pretty sure, I know who he is and have seen him barfining a Pinay, he may tell k bar owners what he's doing to kiss their asses or he just wants less western mongers to contend with for his benefit.
Thanks the reply.
Interesting. Duh, moment of enlightenment. Tats have never been a turn-on, nor a turn-off, for me.
Same comment.
OF COURSE its filtered. Girls set the filters on their phones for any selfie. Pic posters here filter / edit many pics before posting them tats, birthmarks, blurred eyes or anything else that might identify someone must come off -- depending the poster.
Is there in your mind any reason to think that the person in the picture DOES have a dick? The OP says he has been with her multiple times, and is long-time contributor here. Is there any reason to think that after banging her many times, and that he got her from a bar Dollhouse, that she's a tranny? What are the odds of a tranny working in DH for multiple years? What are the odds of a long-time contributor here getting fooled many times? Multiply those two percentages together.
Lets look at that, what you are asking for. Some thoughts:
1 Were areyou asking for someone to take and post a current picture that shows all of the girl, showing her face, unfiltered? That's just not reasonable. We post the pics we have access to; we don't go around looking to take a specific pic for a specific Board member.
2 Of course her eyes aren't blue. So? I'd be happy to tag this gal even if shown the unfiltered pic.
3 It appears now that you want more than a posted picture. You want pics of her face, frontal figure, rear-view pic, to include all of her skin so you can check for tats or stretch marks or such. That would mean multiple pics of the same girl. Why didn't you say that in the first place, so the rest of us could get started on that.
4 By telling us what you can't see in the pic, you are telling us what turns you off a dick, eye color, fake tatas, jollie-belly, and tatsAny of those things might be a turn-on for some gents here admittedly, many of us don't want some of those things. You now make it almost impossible for any of us to show you a pic multiple pics of a girl you will find hot. They are out there, but you probably aren't going to get what you are looking for posted here.
I would suggest that you yourself post something along the lines of what you consider hot. Two such pics:
1 Frontal, nude, head-to-toe (don't want any unknowns) showing her face.
2 Back side, nude, head-to-toe (no tats).
Give us a better idea what you consider acceptable.
Persona non grata. Why get sucked into it by the persona non grata. He has no experience in girls. As all experienced sexual mongers know it is not just the looks that count. The performance and personality have a lot to do with it. The real value from ISG comes from the reports from real mongers who have gotten their dicks into it. Not from some academic lurker with a different killjoy agenda.
"if one is young, good looking, well dressed, drives a nice car and owns his own apartment and has all the time in the world to start the dating ritual then maybe a small chance of some pussy after a few months of courting".
Quote from the below post.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2779512#post2779512.
He said this a while ago and I said it was trolling then. Whether you are younger or older in AC, you'd know this statement is pure nonsense. Anything else said before or after this point can be discredited. Put it down to being in a troll / Korean cuck / one of the 1% who can't even get laid in AC.
Over all, fewer bars (actually only 1) today but a very good experience. Incidentally, I didn't see any FLs at the ABC rooftop area. I expect that will be different tonight, Friday.Good reports.
You confirm what I've been saying for a long time: the best nights happen by glorious accident rather than intricate planning and preparation.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
03-25-23, 04:21
NPK: Not all Hot Tocs are great, but these are not the only ones in Saigon. In D3 there's a bunch right by the river, so just do the Riverwalk and you'll come across many, although they're not easy to spot to the untrained eye. Singlemanforum has the deets. My BJs here in NPK were great, girls were troopers and kept going till the deed was achieved. Go in the evening or late night, they'll do FS for 1 M VND ($50 USD), girl will come meet you after they get off work at 2 am at your place for 2 M VND. Just ask, worst they can do is say no or let you know which girl will do it.
Japan Town: All the bargirls there just want you in the bar to suck the money from you. So the chances of taking any girls from here home are incredibly small but not impossible, if a girl likes you enough you can get some freebies but how much money and time you want to spend at these places is up to you. Just get their Zalo / number, tell them to meet the following day. Or you can give them your contact info and walk away, can't say what works but know its worked for others. Go to Linh Cherry Massage, not Cherry massage, girls are easily 8+, 2 M for 60 minutes, FS. I went over my time with my girl by 30 min cause we were having a great time, normally they'the charge extra but I was downstairs at the 30 min mark so they didn't charge me for 90 min.
This girl I fucked 6 months ago for 15 usd then later drop to 10 usd now 8 usd she pretty face 25 yrs a bit fleshy body can kiss DATY nice BBBJ.
Here is another recent past fuck 15 usd 25 yrs small breast but nice body friendly and nice sloppy BJ and wet pussy.For comparison purposes, from the Vietnam forum. A report from Guy Reynolds from a few days ago, showing recent prices of FL of P2500 ($50 USD) to p5000 ($100 USD). And of bargirls at p5000 for 60 minutes. Compare to AC and Burgos, FL and gogo prices.
Then from VN during late 2020 (middle of Covid) are reports from Member #4667. Not sure where he got VN gals from (FL or gogos), but in the lower price range (a can of sardines) of p500 ($10) and p750 ($15). Guessing that's all ST.
Expat American
03-25-23, 04:33
For comparison purposes, from the Vietnam forum. A report from Guy Reynolds from a few days ago, showing recent prices of FL of P2500 ($50 USD) to p5000 ($100 USD). And of bargirls at p5000 for 60 minutes. Compare to AC and Burgos, FL and gogo prices.
Then from VN during late 2020 (middle of Covid) are reports from Member #4667. Not sure where he got VN gals from (FL or gogos), but in the lower price range (a can of sardines) of p500 ($10) and p750 ($15). Guessing that's all ST.Not commenting on VN because this is the AC thread. But here the 5000 is for overnight in every bar I have ever asked. In fact you can take a girl from 2 pm all the way till next morning and get as many as 4 fucks out of it if you want. Also, any FL will eventually accept 1500 for ST even though they may start with silly numbers. Now for sure that's a lot of money in the Philippines and double the prices pre covid. And some girls do have shitty attitudes (more than before). BUT I just got done with a girl I had met prior who met me after her bar closed at 11 pm and fucked my brains out with no mention of money and was more than happy with the well deserved 3 k I gave her in the morning. And there are at least some places where the girls don't rush their drinks and are all over you for 30 minutes for 300 Peso making out, rubbing your dick, licking your nipples etc. Now all this used to be standard at half the price at all the bars so its definitely deteriorated but you can still find a decent experience.
MrHappyKat
03-25-23, 05:14
Spent most of the day in my room at ABC catching up on real life back home. My plan was to take advantage of the Friday night FL scene at the ABC rooftop club. But as they say: "the best laid (pun intended) plans. ".
Mr. O agreed to meet me at ABC once he finished dinner. I went up a bit early, around 7:30. Nothing really going on beyond the DJ trying to set new worlds records for noise pollution. No FL's in sight. I asked a security guy when the babes show up and he told me between 9 and 10. As I hung out, more or less between 7:30 and 11:45 pm, I only saw one possible FL: tall, blonde, white, rail thin and drinking alone at the bar. All the others there we obviously not FL's.
The others there were mostly groups of 2-6 Koreans, each with an equal number of hot Pinays, with 2 or 3 tables occupied by a western guy with a girl. At one time there were two tables with 2 and 4 girls drinking. They appeared to be there for themselves: never made eye contact with any guys, even when heading to the toilet. Two Indian guys approached the table with 4 girls, and were moving on within 2 minutes (hey, read the room fellas). I eventually had a small epiphany. All those YT vlogs showing a van in front of Envy collecting a group of Koreans, each with a girl; where do they go?
They go to ABC to swim and drink, and most importantly, smoke.
I left a little before midnight having seen no confirmed freelancers. But today will be another day.
And my new motto remains: "If I'm fucking, I'm learning. ".
WestCoast1
03-25-23, 08:03
Not commenting on VN because this is the AC thread. But here the 5000 is for overnight in every bar I have ever asked. In fact you can take a girl from 2 pm all the way till next morning and get as many as 4 fucks out of it if you want. Ya, that was kind of my point. P5 k barfines in AC, while that is the increased price from the pre-covid days, still gets you a lot more than similar pricing in VN (and only 1 hour in VN). I compared AC to Mexico about a month ago. Them latinas were p50 ($1) per minute (roughly) pre-covid, so p50 x 60 minutes was p3000 for 1 hour (or much less) and 1 pop (she will be out the door 3 minutes after you pop), and she will not f*ck or s*ck an uncovered schwanztooga. Post-covid prices have jumped there. AC might be a bargain.
WestCoast1
03-25-23, 08:32
From the archives. Skinny, booby critter takes one for my team (givin' the dog a bone). Enjoy.
Ya, that was kind of my point. P5 k barfines in AC, while that is the increased price from the pre-covid days, still gets you a lot more than similar pricing in VN (and only 1 hour in VN). I compared AC to Mexico about a month ago. Them latinas were p50 ($1) per minute (roughly) pre-covid, so p50 x 60 minutes was p3000 for 1 hour (or much less) and 1 pop (she will be out the door 3 minutes after you pop), and she will not f*ck or s*ck an uncovered schwanztooga. Post-covid prices have jumped there. AC might be a bargain.I'd argue that choosing between $50 or $100 a day fucks isn't the deciding factor for guys that are spending thousands on (Business Class) airfares, ABC suites, domestic flights etc. Even Cheap Charlie's are only spending a fraction of their total cost actually on girls.
It's guys who are spending months in country that concentrate more on $/ shot and by that stage most will not be paying nightly barfines but working from existing contacts or more civilian sources.
The PI has cornered the market for guys seeking GFE, BB and a relaxed holiday. It's these addons that guys are happy to pay for.
Notwithstanding higher prices, most of the usual AC complaints seem to have fallen by the wayside: most are reporting fun girls' attitudes; one shot runners are with the guys urging; some are even finding tolerable hotels and food.
Cost comparisons to other destinations are difficult and often lack accuracy as prices and services vary so much that it's often apples and oranges.
Cheers. G.
Spent most of the day in my room at ABC catching up on real life back home. My plan was to take advantage of the Friday night FL scene at the ABC rooftop club. But as they say: "the best laid (pun intended) plans. ".
Mr. O agreed to meet me at ABC once he finished dinner. I went up a bit early, around 7:30. Nothing really going on beyond the DJ trying to set new worlds records for noise pollution. No FL's in sight. I asked a security guy when the babes show up and he told me between 9 and 10. As I hung out, more or less between 7:30 and 11:45 pm, I only saw one possible FL: tall, blonde, white, rail thin and drinking alone at the bar. All the others there we obviously not FL's.
The others there were mostly groups of 2-6 Koreans, each with an equal number of hot Pinays, with 2 or 3 tables occupied by a western guy with a girl. At one time there were two tables with 2 and 4 girls drinking. They appeared to be there for themselves: never made eye contact with any guys, even when heading to the toilet. Two Indian guys approached the table with 4 girls, and were moving on within 2 minutes (hey, read the room fellas). I eventually had a small epiphany. All those YT vlogs showing a van in front of Envy collecting a group of Koreans, each with a girl; where do they go?
They go to ABC to swim and drink, and most importantly, smoke.
I left a little before midnight having seen no confirmed freelancers. But today will be another day.
And my new motto remains: "If I'm fucking, I'm learning. ".I believe the van takes them back to Korea Town in Friendship. That's where the Koreans usually stay.
I'd argue that choosing between $50 or $100 a day fucks isn't the deciding factor for guys that are spending thousands on (Business Class) airfares, ABC suites, domestic flights etc. Even Cheap Charlie's are only spending a fraction of their total cost actually on girls.
It's guys who are spending months in country that concentrate more on $/ shot and by that stage most will not be paying nightly barfines but working from existing contacts or more civilian sources.
The PI has cornered the market for guys seeking GFE, BB and a relaxed holiday. It's these addons that guys are happy to pay for.
Notwithstanding higher prices, most of the usual AC complaints seem to have fallen by the wayside: most are reporting fun girls' attitudes; one shot runners are with the guys urging; some are even finding tolerable hotels and food.
Cost comparisons to other destinations are difficult and often lack accuracy as prices and services vary so much that it's often apples and oranges.
Cheers. G.The AC experience is priceless to some.
Sir Lancelot
03-26-23, 23:05
He said this a while ago and I said it was trolling then. Whether you are younger or older in AC, you'd know this statement is pure nonsense. Anything else said before or after this point can be discredited. Put it down to being in a troll / Korean cuck / one of the 1% who can't even get laid in AC.
Persona non grata...The real value from ISG comes from the reports from real mongers who have gotten their dicks into it. Not from some academic lurker with a different killjoy agenda.
His objective on this board is obvious, discourage all westerners from visiting at any cost, never say anything good about AC that would encourage them.I find it hilarious that Napa has positioned himself as a Simon Cowell style judge of Angeles Got Talent, telling us which girls are pretty and which aren't. This from someone who let slip recently that he never barfines girls. He's clearly spamming the board with inaccurate information to discourage people from visiting. My bet he owns a bar in Pattaya.
I recently posted a glowing diary of my time in Angeles, which he did not like as it's a different opinion to his. It ired him so much in fact, he spammed my inbox with a string of insulting emails, to such a degree I now delete them without reading. But I'm going to end this post with a direct quote from one of Napa's emails that I found particularly ironic:
"Leave the fucking to the big boys that are actually here".
RakSopheni
03-26-23, 23:18
I find it hilarious that Napa has positioned himself as a Simon Cowell style judge of Angeles Got Talent, telling us which girls are pretty and which aren't. This from someone who let slip recently that he never barfines girls. He's clearly spamming the board with inaccurate information to discourage people from visiting. My bet he owns a bar in Pattaya.
I appreciate the diversity of opinions on AC on this thread. I like your posts and I like his.
We are all adults and can deal with the spectrum of opinion to form our own beliefs. Personally I'm not a huge Angeles booster- my experiences have borne out much of what NS has said. But at the same time I don't disbelieve your accounts and others who have glowing reviews. I can see how both can be true. Angeles has many things that are missing in Pattaya: almost universal BB, easygoing Filipinas. It also has some real downsides: Korean oriented market, limited things to do in the city. Everyone can make their own decisions based on their own values and tastes.
WestCoast1
03-27-23, 00:27
I appreciate the diversity of opinions on AC on this thread. I like your posts and I like his.I too appreciate some of NS' comments.
But I'm going to end this post with a direct quote from one of Napa's emails that I found particularly ironic: "Leave the fucking to the big boys that are actually here".But the hypocrisy of his suggesting we take / post pics (until they please him) to prove something that is difficult to prove (or disprove, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder), then admitting that he doesn't barfine (and hence, doesn't take pics, hence not measuring up to what he is asking of others), is just too much.
Hope everyone is having a great day.
I find it hilarious that Napa has positioned himself as a Simon Cowell style judge of Angeles Got Talent, telling us which girls are pretty and which aren't. This from someone who let slip recently that he never barfines girls. He's clearly spamming the board with inaccurate information to discourage people from visiting. My bet he owns a bar in Pattaya.
I recently posted a glowing diary of my time in Angeles, which he did not like as it's a different opinion to his. It ired him so much in fact, he spammed my inbox with a string of insulting emails, to such a degree I now delete them without reading. But I'm going to end this post with a direct quote from one of Napa's emails that I found particularly ironic:
"Leave the fucking to the big boys that are actually here".Hard to speculate on the reason to cockblock you in AC.
I have run across people with many reasons to CB, mainly they had a family person in the sex business like a sister, ex GF, ex wife, mother or worst they were a product of it.
You can only be a little sympathetic towards them.
WestCoast1
03-27-23, 05:41
The AC experience is priceless to some.Well, isn't it!
She gives good shadow.
Transporter
03-27-23, 06:41
Well, isn't it!
She gives good shadow.I quit going to AC about 10 years ago, but I am starting to rethink my position after that pic.
MrHappyKat
03-27-23, 09:24
After the ABC Rooftop Club wash out, I decided to stick with Bar Girls for my last 2 days. Met up with Mr. O for lunch at the Indian place in Royal Amsterdam. Food was good.
We started another early afternoon club crawl and ended up at Bad Boy. I bar fined a 27 year old spinner, P4 K LT and took her back to ABC. Decided to head up to roof to take a swim first. Love frolicking in the water with a hot chick in a skimpy bikini. What bikini, you ask? I had purchased 2 small bikinis in advance from Shein.com for about $8 each. She liked the purple one and up we went to commence said frolicking. After a while, we headed down to grab a bite and then back to the room. And that was when the night went to shit. Despite her energetic attitude and flirtations, suddenly she remembered she doesn't like BJ's. She gave it a barely adequate effort and it was time to mount up. Now she suddenly found out her pussy is too small for my (let's face it) average size HappyKat. I was, well disappointed to say the least. Kicked her out and started looking for a Plan be.
Plan be turned out to be a Hail Mary from Pina Love. 19, very tight body with big boobs, but a bit of a butterface. She told me from her 1st message she was down for everything. I had already done a video chat with her, including seeing her Pic ID. She wanted 3 k for ST, and I messaged her to come over ASAP.
She came over in 15 minutes, delivered a solid, enthusiastic everything and then flashed a huge smile as I filled her up, Westy Vaccination-Style. She was out the door in 45 minutes and I went to sleep.
Next day was my last in AC. I had no specific plans, save to get some hang time on WS and see what happens. It turns out, next to nothing with one exception. I went back to Angel Witch and found myself the instant center of attention when Mamasan, the waitresses and the girl I bar fined 2 night earlier recognized me. Apparently, I was now officially a Baller at AW. Yay?
Had some fun, joking around, buying drinks and then I found out that if you "Ring The Bell" for 3 K you will see naked titties for the next 30 minutes. Not all titties should have been naked, but whatever.
Went back to my hotel, grabbed a snack and packed before heading to bed.
Next report will be in the Makati thread, where I will spend my final 5 days.
DzikaBomba
03-27-23, 18:09
She wanted 3 k for ST, and I messaged her to come over ASAP.Thanks for this Info. As you were not shocked about these price it seems that this is the new normal now?
Last year (06/2022) I had girls for 1,5 K ST easily and now the price doubled? What happened?
Or are Americans now trying to compete with the Koreans or they want a new Costa Rica (where ST is 150 $) in the PH? Then keep on!
I will not go to AC anymore with this Prices and shit like that. Thanks for your warning. Go on with this. Many thanks!
WestCoast1
03-27-23, 23:34
Thanks for this Info. As you were not shocked about these price it seems that this is the new normal now?That roughly is the new normal, for those that have been following along since the re-opening of AC.
Last year (06/2022) I had girls for 1,5 K ST easily and now the price doubled? What happened?Can you tell where you got girls for 1500? SW? Gogos? Tinder?
BTW, when I was there late last year, I got a wild range of initial prize requests from SW. From 5 k ST, down to 1 k ST. For the 1 K girl (mid 30's, nice figure, demure girl), I queried jokingly if that was good for 2 pops. "Up to you". She was serious, so I decided to go a bit further and asked if she could stay for 5 hours and 2 pops for 1 k. "OK yes". One wonders what one is getting for that low price.
MrHappyKat
03-28-23, 03:19
Thanks for this Info. As you were not shocked about these price it seems that this is the new normal now?
Last year (06/2022) I had girls for 1,5 K ST easily and now the price doubled? What happened?
Or are Americans now trying to compete with the Koreans or they want a new Costa Rica (where ST is 150 $) in the PH? Then keep on!
I will not go to AC anymore with this Prices and shit like that. Thanks for your warning. Go on with this. Many thanks!I'm not qualified to talk about pricing trends over the last few months, let alone years. This is my first visit to Angeles, Manila and the Philippines. So I can only comment to what expectations I had from reading posts here any my own experiences in 6 days at ABC in Angeles.
What I found in my brief stay was bar fines ranged from PHP 4,000 to PHP 5,000 for LT along Walking Street and Perimeter clubs like Brown Sugar. At the same time, the few Pina Love, FilipinoCupid contacts I spoke with (who were not catfishing, or asked for cash in advance) wanted from a reasonable (IMO) PHP 2,000 to an outrageous (IMO) PHP 12,000. The PL girl I selected was an obvious pro. No pretense about it. But she had a great body (with a butterface), showed me that body and a pic ID on video chat in advance, and got right into fucking me near to death within 5 minutes of entering my room.
So I can't comment on what prices are too high for you. It's your dick and your wallet. I can comment that almost every girl I banged gave me what I considered the full value of the amount I paid (with exceptions noted in my posts).
I will definitely come back when I can.
I'm not qualified to talk about pricing trends over the last few months, let alone years. This is my first visit to Angeles, Manila and the Philippines.No offense but the girls are famous for charging what the market will bare. Its no surprise that a self confessed new guy in town was fully priced.
But, as you said, your money, your dick and evidently you were happy with the results. 👍.
Enjoy. G.
I'm not qualified to talk about pricing trends over the last few months, let alone years. This is my first visit to Angeles, Manila and the Philippines. So I can only comment to what expectations I had from reading posts here any my own experiences in 6 days at ABC in Angeles.
What I found in my brief stay was bar fines ranged from PHP 4,000 to PHP 5,000 for LT along Walking Street and Perimeter clubs like Brown Sugar. At the same time, the few Pina Love, FilipinoCupid contacts I spoke with (who were not catfishing, or asked for cash in advance) wanted from a reasonable (IMO) PHP 2,000 to an outrageous (IMO) PHP 12,000. The PL girl I selected was an obvious pro. No pretense about it. But she had a great body (with a butterface), showed me that body and a pic ID on video chat in advance, and got right into fucking me near to death within 5 minutes of entering my room.
So I can't comment on what prices are too high for you. It's your dick and your wallet. I can comment that almost every girl I banged gave me what I considered the full value of the amount I paid (with exceptions noted in my posts).
I will definitely come back when I can.I don't understand why mongers expect the price of pussy to remain the same?
Price of bread is up. No one complaining about that?
Price of gasoline is up. No one complaining about that?
Monger Wages are up. No one complaining about that?
SMH.
Under the Friends and Family plan I am paying P3500 for ST before 8 pm. Plenty of girls lined up before 8 pm.
Why before 8 pm? 1) I like to sleep at 11 pm. 2) I have found these innocent 19-22 yo can be home by 10 pm without raising any suspicions.
F and F plan P3500ST works for me.
Great reports Mr. HappyKat.
I don't understand why mongers expect the price of pussy to remain the same?
Great reports Mr. HappyKat.Two mongers will always disgree on pricing. Cheap Charlie's will be saying over paid and Ballers will say pay up and have a good time. In reality, it only matters to one person: the guy spending his money.
Agreed.
Enjoy. G.
Transporter
03-28-23, 04:14
One wonders what one is getting for that low price.Sierra, Tango, and Delta???
One wonders what one is getting for that low price.
Sierra, Tango, and Delta???I've known several very attractive dancers and bargirls to turn to freelancing or streetwalking after getting booted from Gogo's etc. Mostly for fighting, drugs or being psychos.
Enjoy. G.
DzikaBomba
03-28-23, 07:04
That roughly is the new normal, for those that have been following along since the re-opening of AC.
Can you tell where you got girls for 1500? SW? Gogos? Tinder?
BTW, when I was there late last year, I got a wild range of initial prize requests from SW. From 5 k ST, down to 1 k ST. For the 1 K girl (mid 30's, nice figure, demure girl), I queried jokingly if that was good for 2 pops. "Up to you". She was serious, so I decided to go a bit further and asked if she could stay for 5 hours and 2 pops for 1 k. "OK yes". One wonders what one is getting for that low price.All Girls online. Pinalove, wechat, tantan, telegram. I don't use tinder, because its used from people who pay 3 k st. Getting 18 or 19 years old for 1,5 k was no problem.
But sure the girls Like the ones paying 3 k ST most. They love them.
Yes the prices went up, that's why its ok to pay 1,5 k now instead of 1 k.
Prices always goes up in everything. DIA girls now go for minimum 2500 to 3000. But it always is for LT. Generally very friendly once they get to know you. I make them comfortable. So they refer me their friends, cousins whatever. I like to have a GFE. ST for me is a waste of time.
Yes, DIA requires lots of work but you get some gems. They all need money and money in thousands is lot of money for them maybe not for AC bargirls. Some of the DIA girls I met are really students and have a job. Unless I get a girl from surrounding provinces the girl leaves after breakfast. I do not need anybody during daytime. I go for massages and do my own things.
On chatting I tell them 2500 for all night and generally give 3000 after with some change for transportation. They are very happy.
In Angeles before I prefer street walkers. Most of these were bargirls before but for a reason they do freelance. Only sone will stay all night. But for ST they will accept less than 2000.
Expat American
03-28-23, 12:32
I don't understand why mongers expect the price of pussy to remain the same?
Price of bread is up. No one complaining about that?
Price of gasoline is up. No one complaining about that?
Monger Wages are up. No one complaining about that?
SMH.
Under the Friends and Family plan I am paying P3500 for ST before 8 pm. Plenty of girls lined up before 8 pm.
Why before 8 pm? 1) I like to sleep at 11 pm. 2) I have found these innocent 19-22 yo can be home by 10 pm without raising any suspicions.
F and F plan P3500ST works for me.
Great reports Mr. HappyKat.I'm okay with the inflation. But the attitudes and expectations of the girls has deteriorated greatly. For example, even a 350 P LD gets you nothing but a dead fish sitting next to you in many bars. There are exceptions but the playful, flirty, sexy interactions are much less likely than before where it was standard in every bar. And lets not even get into the wild nudity and shows each bar would have. As for the girls I found several refusing blowjobs. I have never had to ask before if a girl does a BJ. It is assumed standard. But I guess not any more. Also you find runners more often than before, entitled princesses etc etc. The bread and gasoline to the best of my knowledge still perform the same way as they always did.
WestCoast1
03-28-23, 15:16
I quit going to AC about 10 years ago, but I am starting to rethink my position after that pic.T! Don't rethink regarding that pic. Rethink regarding THIS pic.
And speaking of 'position', let your imagination run. . .
Pinalove, wechat, tantan, telegram.I know nothing about Telegram but almost everything I hear about it is connected with anonymity and use by scammers. Exactly what is it and how does it work? Have you found it reliable?
Cheers. G.
DzikaBomba
03-28-23, 19:05
I know nothing about Telegram but almost everything I hear about it is connected with anonymity and use by scammers. Exactly what is it and how does it work? Have you found it reliable?
Cheers. G.Because it is not only a messenger, its also an social media.
Use it only for messaging and you are fine. Don't go into buying drugs and anti vax theories and nothing bad will come out of it.
It has a people nearby function same as wechat. And this function delivers results.
Give it a try and you will see.
Errol Flynn
03-28-23, 21:18
I had hoped to write FRs while I was there, but I was too damn busy with more important things! Will try to add some detailed reports as time allows, but let me start by saying I had a GREAT first visit. I ended up spending eight days in AC (staying at Central Park Tower, which I recommend), one night in Makati, four days in Sabang, a night in Rizal (long story) and my final night in Malate. I had been concerned that more than four days in AC would be boring. It wasn't, at least on a first trip, between jet lag and some misconceptions it took me four days to really get the hang of what I was doing.
Was it better (cheaper) in the Good Old Days? I'm sure it was, but it's still great, even if no longer the cheapest option in the world, I have never found true GFE like the Pinas give anywhere else. How about those Korean's? Sure, twenty years ago white guys (called Foreigners) were at the top of the pecking order, and today the Koreans are at the top, especially in Korean owned bars. And yes, there were girls who wouldn't go with me as an aging over weight Foreigner. Bummer. But I met many hot girls (even in Korean owned bars) that said they hated going with Koreans and much prefer Foreigners. In fact I ended up traveling my second week with a super cute 19 year old Visayan girl (from Lollipop) who just texted me that she misses her California King (Bed) - a reference to my big belly as well as my state.
I have been to Colombia multiple times and Thailand once (15 years ago. But I have followed things). If you want the cheapest possible sex (short of Madagascar) go to Colombia. And if you speak Spanish you can get something like GFE there, although having been to the PIs now I realize it was more "Friends with (paid) benefits" than true GFE. Meanwhile I found sex in Thailand to be readily available at numerous price points, but more transactional. I never found real GFE there, although not speaking Thai was part of that. No matter how old you are, in the PI you can find 18-20 year old sweethearts who will be your true GF (for better or worse) for as little as a few hours, or as long as you want.
FWIW there are a fair number of African Americans in AC, mostly retired military I think, and the girls didn't seem to have any problem with them, although they might be scared of dick size, as they seemed a bit scared of that even with Foreigners. I didn't see East Indians or Arabs, there were some Japanese and Chinese mongerers along with plenty of Aussies and a smattering of Brits, continental Europeans and Americans.
More later.
Errol Flynn
03-29-23, 02:27
My flight landed at 5 am on Thursday (half an hour late). Covid check was as simple as flashing my QR code, Immigration had a small line but was easy. The first hiccup was getting my bag. Which took forever. No Customs clearance for non-Pilippinos. Then I followed the very precise instructions from Central Park to the Bay where my driver was to meet me (arriving that early I wanted things simple, and indeed I wanted nothing more than to collapse into the car and get to the Hotel where I had booked an extra night in order to check in early.) But NO DRIVER. It took an hour to connect with him (my phone wasn't working and CPT didn't respond to emails, eventually I had to borrow a phone. Turns out he went to the wrong Terminal. How a driver for CPT doesn't know that Philippines Airlines comes into Terminal 1 is beyond me, but this type of fuck up seems to be quite standard in the PI, even when you're dealing with a 4 star hotel. They don't get that it's even a problem.
Got to AC and CPT is a very nice hotel. Showered, rested a bit and then went out to explore. I thought I might find a pretty massage girl, but no joy (in Thailand they were all over the place sitting on the curb waiting for you, but the few Massage girls I saw outside in the daytime in Angeles were all Fuglies). Nor were there any obvious FLs. There were, however, girls sitting outside the doors of numerous bars by early afternoon. These are not "door girls" as in some countries, they are regular bar girls doing a stint at trying to lure customers in. I had lunch at Kokomos, a great place to watch Walking Street and several of the girls in the doorway of Bar 1-2-3 (directly across the street) were quite cute and actively trying to engage with other dudes sitting at the Kokomos counter. I was tempted, but decided I was too tired and went back to CPT (2 blocks). I decided to book a hotel massage. I figured this wouldn't include extras, but after a 15 hour flight a massage seemed like a great idea. The girl was middling attractive, but if it's just a massage that's fine. However, she very quickly started making it sexual. It was a good massage, not just an excuse for he, but it was clear more was on offer. I wasn't sure I wanted to spill leche on that, but after the depravation of Sex Prison I caved and let her do a HJ. 1,000 peso tip plus 500 for massage. I'm sure more was available although she told me not to tell anyone that she did extras (so I'm not sharing her name).
I took a nap and then went out looking for trouble. I had planned on trying some of the flashier clubs, but after sticking my head in a few I decided to try Bar 1-2-3 which had new cute girls at the door. This was about 7 pm but I was tired. 1-2-3 is Korean owned but Management welcomes others. That said, the girls aren't all keen on Foreigners. There were maybe 30 girls, all wearing matching white dresses, standing on stage, but really not dancing. 3 or 4 struck my fancy. There was a real stunner at the far end, model material in my book. But I tried to catch her eye and she wouldn't look at me. Instead she would make big faces at the Koreans who walked in, looked, and walked out. I realized I'd be wasting my time on her, pretty or not. My second choice, I'll call her J, returned my looks with some shy smiles so I decided to bring her down. I offered her a drink and she said she doesn't drink alcohol because it causes her skin to break out. I said fine and got her a fruit juice. J told me that the Koreans would usually send her back up without a drink when she told them she didn't drink alcohol, she really appreciated that I didn't do that. (If my memory is correct LDs were 350 and my beers were about 115). We chatted a bit (excellent English which was common). J is from Mindanao (seems I like Mindanao girls), 20 years old, no babies, 2 months in AC (they all seemed to say 2 months in AC so who knows?) Slim and quite pretty in the eyes of this beerholder. So I asked if she wanted to Bar Fine? She said yes, 4000 pesos ST, that didn't seem to be negotiable, but I didn't really try, I only wanted ST that night. I asked "No condom, okay?" J said yes, as long as I didn't come inside her. I said fine and we went.
J was super sweet (a recurring theme) and somewhat submissive / passive. She wasn't going to take the lead on wild sex, but was happy for me to fuck her anyway I wanted. She told me that even though she works at a Korean owned bar she really doesn't like going with Koreans. (Hence I'm not naming her). She showed me pictures on her phone of the penis stud rings she says all the Koreans want to wear. She found them disgusting and doesn't like how the Koreans treat the girls. Several girls told me the same thing. Maybe they were all blowing smoke up my ass. But it seems to me that there are some girls who prefer Koreans and others who prefer Foreigners. Something for everyone.
There was no rush to the session and she hung out with me for quite awhile afterwards. She was happy to cuddle and kiss, although she tried to keep her lips closed. But I was tired and eventually kicked her out. J didn't ask for a tip and I didn't think to offer one. Not a bad first night.
Transporter
03-29-23, 04:06
I've stayed at Plaza Suites twice, when I showed up unexpectedly at ABC and it was full, so I had to stay for a night at Plaza. It's nice enough, but at least when I stayed there, it had no restaurant or bar which was a downer for me. I would by no means call either Plaza Suites of ABC "luxury" in the traditional sense of judging accommodations, but in my opinion, it's the best that Angeles has to offer.
GE.Not the greatest pic (I know I have a bunch more, just got to find them) probably was off my flip phone at the time. But it is an okay place to stay and have fun.
Errol Flynn
03-29-23, 05:17
I stayed at Central Park Tower. For a short stay, and if you aren't trying to absolutely maximize your budget I think it's an excellent choice. I'll get to the negatives that I saw, but other than price they are pretty meaningless.
Although slightly difficult to find, CPT is a very short walk to Walking Street or Fields. Far enough away to be quiet, but close enough to run back to the hotel if you spill food on your shirt or need more cash. Location is Excellent. Lobby staff is friendly (and some are very cute but I didn't try anything). They do not ask for your girl's ID going up, but they do call you before letting her out when she leaves ("Your guest is leaving. Everything okay, sir? Be sure to point out your room number, to the girl, because if she doesn't know your room or name she'll have a hard time leaving!
My room (Executive something with the big tub and glass windows to the bathroom, something like floor 8) was quite nice in all regards, no balcony but big windows with a view of AC (didn't impress me but the girls all LOVED the view). Good blackout curtains, nicely stocked at fair prices in mini bar, no complaints about the room. I was disappointed in the airport pickup (as previously described), plus the lobby ATM never worked during the eight days I was there. The service at the rooftop bar / restaurant was TERRIBLE (but that's a PI thing). Food up there was mediocre, but there are many other options.
Girls LOVED CPT. I'm not saying you need to stay in a hotel that girls love. You don't. Their decision to go with you will NOT be about the hotel you are in (as long as it's safe). But it's a small plus when they want to shoot TikTock / Instagram / Facebook shit at your hotel. And at CPT they want to. Maybe not as much as at ABC, but I found the girls I brought home either were very familiar (and comfortable) with CPT or thrilled to discover it. The proximity to Walking Street also gave them comfort (although there are plenty of cheaper hotels that can offer that).
Some of you will think I spent too much on CPT. If it's just about the girls you're probably right. If I were going to AC for a longer stint, or with fewer resources, I am sure there are very decent places you can stay for less. Scorebirds is a well known one, but folks I met in AC mentioned some others that don't get talked about here (If I can identify them I'll post). Personally, I think it is highly desirable to stay within a few blocks of Walking Street. (But not ON Walking Street). That and decent AC would be the most important things to me in any future booking.
So what about ABC? I thought I'd visit while I was there, but it never happened. ABC is THE fanciest Hotel in the Monger part of AC. Many people (including the girls) love it. The problem is ABC is a long walk (short Trike Ride) from Walking Street. If you are more organized (anal?) than I am and never have a sudden desire to return to your hotel that may be fine. It's the best hotel. The girls love it.
But for me, the basic rule would be stay within a few blocks of Walking Street (but not right on it). From there balance price and amenities to your liking. The girls will appreciate fancy things, but that won't be why they go with you.
WestCoast1
03-29-23, 05:54
I know nothing about Telegram but almost everything I hear about it is connected with anonymity and use by scammers. Exactly what is it and how does it work? Have you found it reliable?Like WA, its private end-2-end encrypted messaging.
Errol Flynn
03-29-23, 16:41
I'll get to the negatives that I saw, but other than price they are pretty meaningless...
...I was disappointed in the airport pickup (as previously described), plus the lobby ATM never worked during the eight days I was there. The service at the rooftop bar / restaurant was TERRIBLE (but that's a PI thing). Food up there was mediocre, but there are many other options.
These are all minor, but FYI.
As noted before it takes a LONG time for the hot water to get to the 8th floor, but once you figure out the handle and that you need to start it early it's fine. There's plenty of hot water. Two bath towels a day are not enough for the activities (and multiple guests) the Hotel's customers are involved in. They should know that. Similarly, the two tiny tubes of shampoo are not enough. I recommend bringing your own. On the plus side they do gift you two cheap toothbrushes a day. I had brought some with me, but the girls all want a toothbrush, so the Hotel brushes helped. (all the Hotels I stayed in provided toothbrushes. I have no idea why the girls don't carry one in their purse).
The door to my room had an automatic closer, but it wasn't strong enough to latch it. You had to pay attention or you could leave your room unlocked. Finally, the front desk wasn't very helpful with Concierge type requests, those were clearly outside their wheelhouse.
Still, the only reason I wouldn't stay at CPT again would be to save money. You don't need CPT, but it is nice (I might try ABC just to experience it, but the distance would probably keep me away.
Hope this helps. My posts are mostly aimed at guys in the position I was in a few months ago. Planning (or maybe just considering) a first trip to the PI. I know there's not much I can add for the veterans.
FuriousGeorge
03-29-23, 19:42
This is the room I stay in (if it's the big room with the giant tv on the desk in the middle). It's really easy to connect your laptop to the tv and put on music videos for the girls when they come over. You got lucky that you faced south, which gives you a view. That room only faces north and south and the north view is that half completed monstrosity of a building. Your view consists of concrete and rebar 6 feet from your face.
The other good thing about CPT is there is a giant mirror wall opposite the elevators. While you are waiting there for the elevator with the girl of the day, you pretend you just thought of taking a picture, and you face the mirror and get a nice full body selfie, then another in the elevator. This was a great way to document all the girls for reminiscing when you return home to boring life.
My room (Executive something with the big tub and glass windows to the bathroom, something like floor 8) was quite nice in all regards, no balcony but big windows with a view of AC (didn't impress me but the girls all LOVED the view). Good blackout curtains, nicely stocked at fair prices in mini bar, no complaints about the room. I was disappointed in the airport pickup (as previously described), plus the lobby ATM never worked during the eight days I was there. The service at the rooftop bar / restaurant was TERRIBLE (but that's a PI thing). Food up there was mediocre, but there are many other options.
Wicked Roger
03-29-23, 22:45
I know nothing about Telegram but almost everything I hear about it is connected with anonymity and use by scammers. Exactly what is it and how does it work? Have you found it reliable?
Cheers. G.As Westie said is roughly the same as WA.
Also try Signal. This is also popular as some now don't trust WA.
In some counties am sure there is some collusion between the app and the authorities as some will say Signal has better encryption etc. Is why many friends have switched to Signal incl some on tis board.
WestCoast1
03-30-23, 01:28
As Westie said is roughly the same as WA.
Also try Signal. This is also popular as some now don't trust WA.
In some counties am sure there is some collusion between the app and the authorities as some will say Signal has better encryption etc. Is why many friends have switched to Signal incl some on tis board.All apps are in collusion with the government in each country. They comply with Court orders routinely if they keep records. Numerous of the US January 6 defendants were convicted with help from either subpoena'd or government-hacked private and encrypted Signal chats.
https://gizmodo.com/authorities-claim-they-accessed-encrypted-signal-chats-1848361100
As Westie said is roughly the same as WA.
If it's the same, then why change? Anyone who thinks that 'the man' can't access a particular widespread app is just kidding themselves. If they want it, then they will get it either thru subpoena or crack and tap.
I'll pass. I gave up pretending that I had any private info long ago and I've already got enough crap in my phone not to need any more.
Enjoy. G.
Errol Flynn
03-30-23, 23:48
The other good thing about CPT is there is a giant mirror wall opposite the elevators. While you are waiting there for the elevator with the girl of the day, you pretend you just thought of taking a picture, and you face the mirror and get a nice full body selfie, then another in the elevator. This was a great way to document all the girls for reminiscing when you return home to boring life.It didn't occur to me to use the mirror that way. So much to learn. But the girls liked it. They also liked shooting Tick Tock videos all over the hotel. I had a hard time kicking one ST girl out.
I'm a bit paranoid at doing BB and wanted to find a place to do STD test and get antibiotics to be safe. Any recommendations for where I should go in Angeles City?
Errol Flynn
03-31-23, 05:08
I'll get back to the FRs soon, but want to comment on Restaurants. Again, this is mostly aimed at PI newbies.
The old standards: Around Walking Street there are a number of restaurants that are ex-pat / foreigner oriented that have been mentioned many times on this board. They all have a reason to exist.
Kokomos is pretty much ground zero on Walking Street. They have a HUGE menu including traditional Filipino food, standard western fare, pasta, pizzas and more. In my experience the food is all okay, but not spectacular. You don't (usually) come to Walking Street for the cuisine. What is spectacular is the bar / counter that faces the street. Great views of the action and frequently interesting company from other mongers. Prices are reasonable. Service is Filipino (vert friendly but inattentive). Some of the waitresses are HOT and a few guys seem to have hooked up with some but I have no experience with that. Kokomos takes credit cards if you spend at least 500 pesos. There is an ATM at one end of the restaurant, bathrooms are in the back past the bar. Good place to have an SML and watch the moving scenery. Bar girls are all comfortable visiting Kokomos.
Tequila Reef: TR is a block behind Kokomos just off Walking Street and half way to CPT. I believe it is the same ownership as Margarita Station. There is a Cali / Mex accent to the food, but again they do a broad range that includes Filipino favorites and standard American fare. They have outdoor seating, but the view isn't as good as Kokomos. I usually chose indoors with Air Conditioning at TR. I mostly went here for Breakfast (coffee with one refill included, or a mean bloody mary, not included). Girls were also comfortable here. A little less collegial than Kokomos, but I'd rate the quality of food and service a touch higher (prices are also a touch higher, but nothing to worry about). These places all have guest WiFi if you ask for the password.
Margarita Station: A little bit past the entrance to Walking Street on Fields. Still an easy walk from CPT or other hotels. I only went here once, late at night, at the request of the girl I was with. Seemed nice, pretty similar to TR.
Envy (at Hotel Envy): Across the street from Margarita Station, I gather this is a popular breakfast spot for expats in the early hours (7-9 am). It is large with both indoor and outdoor seating (outdoor seats front Fields). Again I only visited once, in this case with a girl who suggested it. Breakfast food seemed pretty good. Cold AC inside, nothing to complain about.
For good food: This is a matter of personal preference, but for those of you who want the opposite of the Jollibees experience, I have a couple suggestions (I'm sure there are others).
Spice Viet: They have 4 locations, but the one we care about is the Walking Street shop. Spice Viet is owned by the Filipina wife of a Vietnamese / American expat. He will tell you that it's not entirely authentic Vietnamese food (but he will also tell you that his wife is the best cook in the world). The food is more than tasty, it's an antidote to the overcooked overly fatty overly white carbs stuff common in AC, Loads of fresh vegetables and interesting spices. Plus a huge beer list. Except the staff can't find any of the beer on the list, one of the owners has to be there for that. Prices are quite reasonable, but this may not be a place you want to take a BF as they won't get it. Better to sit alone at the counter (which has as good a view as Kokomos but only seats about 4) and watch the bar girls from next door (who come in for cigs and chips) or the massage girls across the street. A hidden gem in my book. But you need to like veggies.
Patches: Phenomenal Thai Restaurant. A short trike ride down Fields from Walking Street. Casual / hip, in an old house, no reservations. Reasonable prices but superb Thai seafood. I took a Mindanao girl here. She had never eatyen Thai Food and was scared (she did like seafood). She was thrilled, in fact I think that'; s when she fell in love with me (hehe). If you like Thai food don't miss it.
Other: At the bottom of Walking Street is a proper McDonalds. That's not my thing, but I stuck my head in several times because I had heard it was a Freelancer hangut. I only saw families, but if you're craving the taste of the USA it's an option. If you want chains but more sophistication the mall has a huge Food Court. It's an easy walk (although hot in the worst hours of the afternoon.) It's clean and safe, but no I didn't see FLs there (maybe I need new glasses).
There are many other restaurants in AC. I saw Indian, Afghani and Pakistani, Korean and Japanese. This is just my experience. Don't think the food options are going to be terrible. It's not Thailand, but there are options. Enjoy.
I'll get back to the FRs soon, but want to comment on Restaurants. Again, this is mostly aimed at PI newbies.
Thanks for the restaurant recommendations in AC, they'll be really helpful when I go there for the first time in a few months. Cheers!
I'm a bit paranoid at doing BB and wanted to find a place to do STD test and get antibiotics to be safe. Any recommendations for where I should go in Angeles City?There is a clinic located by Queens Hotel.
1. Facing Queens Hotel it is directly to the left 10 meters. I don't remember the name of the clinic. It is small but efficient for your needs.
Don't ask me where is Queens Hotel. Just tell any trike driver to take you there. Don't over think it. Just stand in front of Queens Hotel and turn your head left.
Thank me later.
Thanks for the restaurant recommendations in AC, they'll be really helpful when I go there for the first time in a few months. Cheers!A few others.
RBI restaurant in Queens Hotel.
Restaurant located in Clarkton Hotel.
Restaurant located in Savannah Hotel.
A few others.
RBI restaurant in Queens Hotel.
Restaurant located in Clarkton Hotel.
Restaurant located in Savannah Hotel.Thank you! I'll take note of those as well. I had already read good things about the Queens Hotel one, so I'll have to try it out since that's where I'll be staying in AC.
So I'm on WS today and I buy my girl a drink, waitress comes over and asks if I'd get her another. Said no I'll barfine her. So she asks the girl if she agreed to be barfined, girl said yes so the waitress turned to me and said you pay for your drinks and you give your girl 4500 pesos. My mind is trying to comprehend what was said. Do I pay the bars cut to the bar? Does the girl get the entire amount and when she comes back she pays the bar? So I asked again and the waitress said 'you hand your girl 4500' and she will go to the cashier and give them the money. Guess its their way of not having a number written down on the drink invoices? Maybe just the waitress who doesn't want to handle this money? So I handed my girl 4500 and she walked towards the back bar and shortly emerged in street clothes.
Errol Flynn
04-01-23, 21:51
So I'm on WS today and I buy my girl a drink, waitress comes over and asks if I'd get her another. Said no I'll barfine her. So she asks the girl if she agreed to be barfined, girl said yes so the waitress turned to me and said you pay for your drinks and you give your girl 4500 pesos. My mind is trying to comprehend what was said. Do I pay the bars cut to the bar? Does the girl get the entire amount and when she comes back she pays the bar? So I asked again and the waitress said 'you hand your girl 4500' and she will go to the cashier and give them the money. Guess its their way of not having a number written down on the drink invoices? Maybe just the waitress who doesn't want to handle this money? So I handed my girl 4500 and she walked towards the back bar and shortly emerged in street clothes.Different bars seem to handle it differently but usually the BF is paid separately from the drinks (although one time for me it covered the drinks). It might be going through the Mama or Papa San, it is probably not going directly through the girl. At Lolipop for instance, the girl gets 1850 pesos from the 4000 peso barfine, but she doesn't get it right away, it comes totaled on her weekly paystub that is emailed to her (I saw a stub).
4500 is high. I had Bars say I was with a "special" girl who was 4500 or 5000 but they all accepted 4000 when I objected. Not that there aren't exceptions but 4000 seems to be very much the standard.
Different bars seem to handle it differently but usually the BF is paid separately from the drinks (although one time for me it covered the drinks). It might be going through the Mama or Papa San, it is probably not going directly through the girl. At Lolipop for instance, the girl gets 1850 pesos from the 4000 peso barfine, but she doesn't get it right away, it comes totaled on her weekly paystub that is emailed to her (I saw a stub).
4500 is high. I had Bars say I was with a "special" girl who was 4500 or 5000 but they all accepted 4000 when I objected. Not that there aren't exceptions but 4000 seems to be very much the standard.Well it was this same bar and the same girl that I took home two weeks ago, just handed the total amount to the waitress. No giving the girl the barfine money. The only difference is the police raid that shut down GOLD for having 3 underage girls working there. So maybe some bars or just the wait staff are trying to keep their hands off that money.
Well it was this same bar and the same girl that I took home two weeks ago, just handed the total amount to the waitress. No giving the girl the barfine money. The only difference is the police raid that shut down GOLD for having 3 underage girls working there. So maybe some bars or just the wait staff are trying to keep their hands off that money.A few years back when raids on bars were getting common you couldn't even meantion the word barfine. You would whisper it in the girls ear. You would have to pay the bargirl, sometimes outside of the bar. Then you would go outside and wait for her. Sometimes she wouldn't even walk with you but follow you 10 steps behind. I am sure the raid at Gold Bar has changed some policies.
Well it was this same bar and the same girl that I took home two weeks ago, just handed the total amount to the waitress. No giving the girl the barfine money. The only difference is the police raid that shut down GOLD for having 3 underage girls working there. So maybe some bars or just the wait staff are trying to keep their hands off that money.Never believe the whole story. It has been known for the police agencies to set up and put plants in the bars and shake them down pretty heavily. One method during the raid is they would load up all the girls, waitresses and mommasons and take them to an undisclosed holding area. They would hold them until the proper resolution fees are paid by the owners.
Some how the police are allowed to detain them for a week or two before filing charges. Once paid they are released with no charges filed. The case magically disappears.
Is it possible to buy a box of K. Amagra from street vendors in Angeles City? And if so, do you know how much it costs?
WestCoast1
04-03-23, 20:39
Is it possible to buy a box of K. Amagra from street vendors in Angeles City? And if so, do you know how much it costs?Contact me in Private Message.
NapaSlapper
04-04-23, 02:54
I appreciate the diversity of opinions on AC on this thread. I like your posts and I like his.
We are all adults and can deal with the spectrum of opinion to form our own beliefs. Personally I'm not a huge Angeles booster- my experiences have borne out much of what NS has said. But at the same time I don't disbelieve your accounts and others who have glowing reviews. I can see how both can be true. Angeles has many things that are missing in Pattaya: almost universal BB, easygoing Filipinas. It also has some real downsides: Korean oriented market, limited things to do in the city. Everyone can make their own decisions based on their own values and tastes.Seems that some on this board can not be adults, mention that angeles is a shadow of its former self, that there are many drinks only girls, there are korean only girls, there are runners, there are police set ups, there are girl set ups etc, which all happens to be true and guys start to spit out their dummy, why, because most are fantasists, they see only their dream in their own immagination, break that dream for some and all hell breaks loose.
Its funny how over time I have offered to go on a friendly barhop and pick up the entire tab with many members who claim to see only stunners in angeles bars, most recently to member sir lancelot, rather than agree my generous offer he continues to accuse anyone that does not see what he sees as being a pattaya bar owner and a liar, why not come and see for your self who I am rather than flame and hide behind a keyboard.
Yes we all have different oppinions on the quality of girls and mongering destinations, I truly find that those that are even just a little bit fussy in girl choice are left disappointed most nights in the bars of angeles, those that might set the girl bar lower will find some to their liking, its not rocket science just common sence, not sure why the need to throw dummies around.
NapaSlapper
04-04-23, 03:52
Angeles remains fairly quiet for punters and girl numbers, very few western faces to be seen, koreans and other asians are the dominant punters by far.
There have been more bar raids over the last few days, bars are super careful about talking or taking barfines openly, some bars have put in place new rules but still able to barfine in most bars but obviously more carefully.
Many bars visited with my group of friends just did not have a party vibe, girls sitting around instead of dancing, many girls playing with their phones and looking bored instead of playing with some cock.
Best 3 bars on walking street remain to be xs bar, Q bar and avalon bar, high energy dance shows, girls that were happy, no phones in sight, some cuties in all 3 bars, high number of asian customers, some of the top girls want drinks only and do not barfine, some girls will barfine but are very choosy on who with, many asians spending money like its going out of fashion and obviously these guys are getting the most attention from the girls.
Angeles is what it is, some bars are dead with little fun, a few bars are a pleasure to have a drink in especially the asian oriented bars, take away xs bar, QBar and avalon bar and the fun factor and girl quality falls dramatically IMHO.
Contact me in Private Message.I'm sorry, but I can't find a way to send you a private message. I suppose it's because I'm a new user.
Restaurant located in Clarkton Hotel.
Also European style is Swiss Chalet. But closer to Fields.
Transporter
04-04-23, 15:17
Is it possible to buy a box of K. Amagra from street vendors in Angeles City? And if so, do you know how much it costs?No one can give you an exact price because they range from a few pesos to as high as 5 K (highest I have ever seen for a box). The range in price is due to to many factors, but since it is all fake, a lot has to do with quality and potency. I have never heard of anyone getting sick or injured from these fake products, but that may not mean that it has not happened. Most of the complaints I have heard is all about how it is fake and does not work, or that the dosage is not consistent (sometimes super strong way over the top, and other times nothing at all). The best thing you can do is try to get it from a trusted source. Most regulars have their regular hook ups have good quality stuff. If you cannot source a good source, then it is probably best to get it from a pharmacy. The generic stuff from the pharmacy is not that expensive and most will sell it to you without a prescription. If you need one, then you can go to a clinic or find a doc online and he / she will gladly write you all the scripts you need for a few pesos.
Be safe, avoid the shit on the street.
No one can give you an exact price because they range from a few pesos to as high as 5 K (highest I have ever seen for a box). The range in price is due to to many factors, but since it is all fake, a lot has to do with quality and potency. I have never heard of anyone getting sick or injured from these fake products, but that may not mean that it has not happened. Most of the complaints I have heard is all about how it is fake and does not work, or that the dosage is not consistent (sometimes super strong way over the top, and other times nothing at all). The best thing you can do is try to get it from a trusted source. Most regulars have their regular hook ups have good quality stuff. If you cannot source a good source, then it is probably best to get it from a pharmacy. The generic stuff from the pharmacy is not that expensive and most will sell it to you without a prescription. If you need one, then you can go to a clinic or find a doc online and he / she will gladly write you all the scripts you need for a few pesos..Thank you for your response. Usually on my trips to Pattaya, I buy a box from street vendors and it has always worked well for me. I don't use all the sachets, I bring many of them back to my country and give them to my friends, who are also amazed at how well they work. Once I'm there and depending on the situation, I'll either buy on the street or at the pharmacy (I think they're called Southstar, right?) If I'm going to spend day and night "fucking", I'll eventually need some doping, hahaha.
Also European style is Swiss Chalet. But closer to Fields.Forgot my all time favorite.
Fortunes Hong Kong Seafood restaurant located on MacArthur Blvd. Near Johnny's Market. Going on Walking Street from Envy's to the end, turn right at McDonalds and 2 blocks is Fortunes Hong Kong Seafood.
Bring 9 or 10 of your favorite girls for an 8 course preset banquet menu dinner. Price starting app at $US100.
Transporter
04-05-23, 02:04
Forgot my all time favorite.
Fortunes Hong Kong Seafood restaurant located on MacArthur Blvd. Near Johnny's Market. Going on Walking Street from Envy's to the end, turn right at McDonalds and 2 blocks is Fortunes Hong Kong Seafood.
Bring 9 or 10 of your favorite girls for an 8 course preset banquet menu dinner. Price starting app at $US100.Love that place. But you will probably need to make a res. Call ahead for a res so you don't waste precious time. Be aware that there are 2 of them located walking distance from each other, so make sure you get the right location for the reservation.
Love that place. But you will probably need to make a res. Call ahead for a res so you don't waste precious time. Be aware that there are 2 of them located walking distance from each other, so make sure you get the right location for the reservation.I go to the Johnny's Market side of the street. Don't forget there are private curtained off banquet tables!
Great time there.
Going rate at Lollipop is 4000 Peso All in.
Better ask the girl when you first get the drinks if she is willing to bar fine. Do that in the first 2 min. Of the conversation and in particular if the girl drinks her bar drink fast. A lot of girls are there just to talk and have drinks to suck you dry.
Angeles is much better and cheaper than Manila, and the Clark Airport is really good for international flights.
Hotels, stay at the Score Bird Hotel. Really good service.
Forgot my all time favorite.
Fortunes Hong Kong Seafood restaurant located on MacArthur Blvd. Near Johnny's Market. Going on Walking Street from Envy's to the end, turn right at McDonalds and 2 blocks is Fortunes Hong Kong Seafood.
Bring 9 or 10 of your favorite girls for an 8 course preset banquet menu dinner. Price starting app at $US100.Speaking of that area. On the cheaper casual spectrum there's this place called Messy Burger that's pretty cool. Rooftop dining and when you walk up the stairs there is a bunch of cool graffiti with a Messy Burger twist made by the staff. Like everything from Mario, Sponge Bob, Harry Potter, Doraemon, PokéMon. And a really cool Venom right before the rooftop. The location is close to McDonald's and Mercury pharmacy. Just a little further down on that side of the street. Right before the BBQ chicken guy.
Great time there.
Going rate at Lollipop is 4000 Peso All in.
Better ask the girl when you first get the drinks if she is willing to bar fine. Do that in the first 2 min. Of the conversation and in particular if the girl drinks her bar drink fast. A lot of girls are there just to talk and have drinks to suck you dry.
Angeles is much better and cheaper than Manila, and the Clark Airport is really good for international flights.
Hotels, stay at the Score Bird Hotel. Really good service.Lollipop has 2 rates.
Black bikinis are 3500.
Red bikinis are 4000.
Lollipop has 2 rates.
Black bikinis are 3500.
Red bikinis are 4000.Short time or long time?
Sir Lancelot
04-05-23, 20:00
Seems that some on this board can not be adults.With respect I don't think the grown-up card is one you can play. You recently bombarded me with a string of insulting emails purely because my opinion differs to yours. In one of your emails you even comically told me to leave fucking to the 'big-boys' like you! (especially ironic as you recently let slip you never barfine).
mention that angeles is a shadow of its former self and guys start to spit out their dummy, why, because most are fantasistsNo-one claims Angeles is as good as it used to be. It's still an incredible place though with lots of pretty girls who give you a lot more bang for your buck than Thai girls. Your problem though is that when anyone claims they've had a good time, you dismiss them as a fantasist or a dreamer because it doesn't chime with your own experiences. On my trip I fucked a gorgeous 19 year old bareback in every position I could think of, once at night and again in the morning before taking her for breakfast. She was so good I barfined her again on my last night and she was even better second time around, bringing her handcuffs along with her ('would you like me to suck you Officer Lance?). But nothing like that ever happens to you so I must be making it up, that's how you think. It's quite sad really when you think about it.
People on this forum can choose who they want to believe. They can believe me and the many, many people who have posted glowing reports about Angeles or they can believe you, the lone dissenting voice who relentlessly trashes the place and clearly has an agenda.
Its funny how over time I have offered to go on a friendly barhop and pick up the entire tab with many members who claim to see only stunners in angeles bars, most recently to member sir lancelot.I don't recall you ever offering to meet up with me on a bar-crawl. It strikes me as the type of thing I'd jump at too because you seem such a fun guy.
With respect I don't think the grown-up card is one you can play. You recently bombarded me with a string of insulting emails purely because my opinion differs to yours. In one of your emails you even comically told me to leave fucking to the 'big-boys' like you! (especially ironic as you recently let slip you never barfine).
No-one claims Angeles is as good as it used to be. It's still an incredible place though with lots of pretty girls who give you a lot more bang for your buck than Thai girls. Your problem though is that when anyone claims they've had a good time, you dismiss them as a fantasist or a dreamer because it doesn't chime with your own experiences. On my trip I fucked a gorgeous 19 year old bareback in every position I could think of, once at night and again in the morning before taking her for breakfast. She was so good I barfined her again on my last night and she was even better second time around, bringing her handcuffs along with her ('would you like me to suck you Officer Lance?). But nothing like that ever happens to you so I must be making it up, that's how you think. It's quite sad really when you think about it.
People on this forum can choose who they want to believe. They can believe me and the many, many people who have posted glowing reports about Angeles or they can believe you, the lone dissenting voice who relentlessly trashes the place and clearly has an agenda.
I don't recall you ever offering to meet up with me on a bar-crawl. It strikes me as the type of thing I'd jump at too because you seem such a fun guy.You dare slappa the nappa! LOL.
I totally agree. Real dick in the pussy reports are what counts.
Re: the viagra / cialis debate. How about just getting a Rx from your doc at home? I'm relatively young and just told my sympathetic male doctor that I had a few lackluster experiences revolving around sexual opportunities mostly arising when I am very drunk. Got a script for 12 viagra 50 mgs. Pharmacists are obliged to ask if I want the cheapest generic version. It's 12 pills for 4-5 EUR. I renew it online every 2-3 months and use it as needed (when porking 30-something chunky white girls at home that I can't naturally get aroused by, or when I need more throughput than is humanly possible in the PH).
Errol Flynn
04-06-23, 05:00
Lollipop has 2 rates.
Black bikinis are 3500.
Red bikinis are 4000.I haven't gotten to my Lollipop report yet, but I spent a lot of (very happy) time there. My experience was not quite this way. I only saw girls in red bikinis (much better than the long dresses elsewhere.) I barfined several (including one who spent a week with me in exchange for a 4 day BF) and they were all 4000 pesos ST or LT in my experience. Maybe the black bikinis are hiding in the basement, but I didn't see them. I did bring a "Spotlight" dancer down my first night. Gorgeous. She was wearing a red bikini and the smallest ass an adult ever had. I didn't know she was a Spotlight dancer, but when I first inquired about BFs she said she didn't do them. Later she said she had her mens but wanted to see me when they were over. Others later confirmed that she is a Spotlight dancer but they thought she would go with me if she wasn't on her mens (and for the right price, but we didn't determine that).
Don't get me wrong. I thought Lollipop was the best Bar I visited in AC and that's why I kept going back. I should mention that there is a discount card you can buy (called Wolf Pack or something). The first time I went in there I thought I was only staying 4 days so why would I buy a discount card? (I think it was 500 pesos) But I went often enough that I should have. It works other places, but none that I went. But I spent enough at Lollipop. It gets you a discount on all of your drinks and probably drinks you buy for males, I don't think you get anything on Lady drinks, but it probably would have still been worthwhile for me.
Short time or long time?Depends on the girls. Some will say st to be safe and then stay LT if they like or trust you.
Some can only do st as they have to get home for the night. I had a 19 yo that would only stay up to 11 pm as her her mother expected her home by then and didn't know what she was doing. Now she would come at 1 pm and stay until 11 pm, you could call that LT.
I had others say st and then spend the whole night. Depends on how you treat them. Most would be in bed on their cp using the Wi-Fi in between sessions. Ones that were from provinces staying in boarding houses would likely stay LT if they like you.
Many variables for them to go from st to LT. Tipping helps a bit too.
I had a 19 yo that would only stay up to 11 pm as her her mother expected her home by then and didn't know what she was doing..Bwahahaha. Mom knows exactly why Princess is coming home most nights with 3000 p in her purse. She just pretends otherwise. It's amazing how many girls in Angeles are the world's highest paid waitress, DH or nanny.
Plausible denial is alive and strong in Asia.
Enjoy. G.
PS. Perhaps not your girl, but many also need to get back to kids or husbands.
I'd agree that the whole ST/LT definitions can be hazy. It's the same with online or freelancers. Just go with the flow.
Cheers
Bwahahaha. Mom knows exactly why Princess is coming home most nights with 3000 p in her purse. She just pretends otherwise. It's amazing how many girls in Angeles are the world's highest paid waitress, DH or nanny.
Plausible denial is alive and strong in Asia.
Enjoy. G.
PS. Perhaps not your girl, but many also need to get back to kids or husbands.
I'd agree that the whole ST/LT definitions can be hazy. It's the same with online or freelancers. Just go with the flow.
CheersIf momma knows, can she send me next year's graduating 19 yo?
Depends on the girls. Some will say st to be safe and then stay LT if they like or trust you.
I'd agree that the whole ST/LT definitions can be hazy. It's the same with online or freelancers. Just go with the flow.
CheersThanks for your answers.
Normally at night, I like to do LT, while during the day I usually do one or two ST. Hopefully, the girls will like me and I can have long nighttime sessions. XD.
Regards.
Bwahahaha. Mom knows exactly why Princess is coming home most nights with 3000 p in her purse. She just pretends otherwise. It's amazing how many girls in Angeles are the world's highest paid waitress, DH or nanny.
Plausible denial is alive and strong in Asia.
Enjoy. G.
PS. Perhaps not your girl, but many also need to get back to kids or husbands.
I'd agree that the whole ST/LT definitions can be hazy. It's the same with online or freelancers. Just go with the flow.
CheersI have chatted with many girls who say daytime only. Once I had a girl from Taguig who used an excuse saying she is with her girlfriend staying the night and her phone lit up practically every 5 minutes till she shut it off at midnight. Some parents are reastrict believe it or not. Others bury their head in the sand not knowing what their little girl does. I have found if the parents are well off they tend to be strict. They cannot control the girl in daytime but certainly at nighttime. Curfews are common. But they do allow dating. Most girls I talked to lost their virginity when they were 14-16 with a neighbor boy who hangs around the house. If they get pregnant so be it. Parents may scold but all Philippine people live children and will take care of them irrespective of whose child it is. I have mat several pretty girls in the evening for a few hours. Very adamant about not staying the night even I told them many excuses they can use. They all said they could come early morning and hang around all day cutting classes. These girls are not worried about money.
But girls from poor families the parents usually only the mother knows very well. Mother is only looking for money and hoping foreigner will continue to be a cash source.
Engine Driver
04-07-23, 12:15
I have chatted with many girls who say daytime only. Once I had a girl from Taguig who used an excuse saying she is with her girlfriend staying the night and her phone lit up practically every 5 minutes till she shut it off at midnight. Some parents are reastrict believe it or not. Others bury their head in the sand not knowing what their little girl does. I have found if the parents are well off they tend to be strict. They cannot control the girl in daytime but certainly at nighttime. Curfews are common. But they do allow dating. Most girls I talked to lost their virginity when they were 14-16 with a neighbor boy who hangs around the house. If they get pregnant so be it. Parents may scold but all Philippine people live children and will take care of them irrespective of whose child it is. I have mat several pretty girls in the evening for a few hours. Very adamant about not staying the night even I told them many excuses they can use. They all said they could come early morning and hang around all day cutting classes. These girls are not worried about money.
But girls from poor families the parents usually only the mother knows very well. Mother is only looking for money and hoping foreigner will continue to be a cash source.Yes, most poor parents know exactly what their daughter is doing at night. AC is full of girls from Samar or Leyte which are economically impoverished regions. Parents and family enjoy the monthly remittances these girls send home. Everyone knows what they earn is several times more than what a waitress or maid could earn. They just don't discuss it, but all are in on it.
I know an IG model based in AC. She runs very lucrative Alua and Fansly sites where she chats with mongers for a fee, gets them to subscribe and then sells them custom videos. She gets customers from IG, Twitter and Facebook and then directs them to her paid site. She makes about $5,000 a month working 7 hours a day on her phone. That's a huge salary for AC. She lives with her sister and white brother in law. Initially claiming that none of her family knew, she then revealed that they all know she is an online prostitute. With so much cash to burn, they are very supportive of her profession. Her mom is particularly happy and goes on spending sprees to AC from Davao every few months and then accompanies her daughter on content creation trips to various holiday resorts. They were dirt poor, so you could say the family is now addicted to the money and feeling very smug. I told the girl to buy a house, but there are too many family members with their hands out to grab the loot. Girl's only hope is to marry an American monger and leave.
Yes, most poor parents know exactly what their daughter is doing at night. Poor girls generally have poor moms. Many of those moms know exactly what is happening because they were doing precisely the same thing 20 years ago.
Enjoy. G.
Errol Flynn
04-09-23, 06:50
I am a newbie. One trip to PI, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but it is recent.
I was with one girl (on my second day) 19 years old from Mindanao (all my hot teenie boppers were from Mindanao, not by plan). No kids, wants to be a nurse, trying to save money. We agreed to BBFS in the bar, and she didn't try to reneg, but in the room she was very concerned that I not come inside her because it would "kill" her father (and her dreams) if she became pregnant. I asked if she was on some sort of birth control. She said yes, but not the pill (she thinks the pill would make her infertile. Sounded like it was something like anIUD but not sure). Meanwhile, her Poppa was texting her every 15 minutes. She claimed that he has no idea what she does, thinks she's a waitress. She kept apologizing for responding (it was Papa as she showed me the messages, not that I read Tagalog or Visaya, but somehow it was clear). But in the final message he said that it was very hot (believable) and he needed 4500 pesos for an air conditioner her aunt had found. How the fuck would a waitress be able to send 4500 pesos? (to be clear, she wasn't asking me for it).
The girl I spent a week with, also 19 from Mindanao, wasn't so pure. She had a one year old child at home. It seemed pretty clear that her entire family knew what she was doing and she didn't care. Both her eldest brother and one of her sisters had followed her to AC for work. The first day we were traveling she put me on video chat with her entire family (including her father who is younger than I am) and I know she told at least some family members exactly what I paid in bar fine to take her with me. They had to know there were expectations beyond companionship, but she also told them I was her boyfriend (true for the week).
So, to me it seems that they're all slightly different and you don't really know whether they're sharing details with their family or not. One piece of good advice I got was, if you want LT and the girl has a child, ask where the child is. If it's in AC or nearby, LT will always be a problem. But if the child's in a distant province it's no problem.
Just my 2 cents.
I am a newbie. One trip to PI, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but it is recent.
One piece of good advice I got was, if you want LT and the girl has a child, ask where the child is. If it's in AC or nearby, LT will always be a problem. But if the child's in a distant province it's no problem.
Just my 2 cents.Thanks. All of your comments are very common and 100% believable. The only grey area is that Auntie's AC is likely Dad's gambling debts.
I'm not sure if you found out or not but BBFS-dontCIP is a common request and a promise that is wise to keep. I've seen girls get very angry after 'accidents' due to the reasons you mention and being trusted after the first session often opens the flood gates for the girls to say thanks on subsequent times.
Good call on connecting kids' location to ST runners.
Cheers. G.
I am a newbie. One trip to PI, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but it is recent.
I was with one girl (on my second day) 19 years old from Mindanao (all my hot teenie boppers were from Mindanao, not by plan). No kids, wants to be a nurse, trying to save money. We agreed to BBFS in the bar, and she didn't try to reneg, but in the room she was very concerned that I not come inside her because it would "kill" her father (and her dreams) if she became pregnant. I asked if she was on some sort of birth control. She said yes, but not the pill (she thinks the pill would make her infertile. Sounded like it was something like anIUD but not sure). Meanwhile, her Poppa was texting her every 15 minutes. She claimed that he has no idea what she does, thinks she's a waitress. She kept apologizing for responding (it was Papa as she showed me the messages, not that I read Tagalog or Visaya, but somehow it was clear). But in the final message he said that it was very hot (believable) and he needed 4500 pesos for an air conditioner her aunt had found. How the fuck would a waitress be able to send 4500 pesos? (to be clear, she wasn't asking me for it).
The girl I spent a week with, also 19 from Mindanao, wasn't so pure. She had a one year old child at home. It seemed pretty clear that her entire family knew what she was doing and she didn't care. Both her eldest brother and one of her sisters had followed her to AC for work. The first day we were traveling she put me on video chat with her entire family (including her father who is younger than I am) and I know she told at least some family members exactly what I paid in bar fine to take her with me. They had to know there were expectations beyond companionship, but she also told them I was her boyfriend (true for the week).
So, to me it seems that they're all slightly different and you don't really know whether they're sharing details with their family or not. One piece of good advice I got was, if you want LT and the girl has a child, ask where the child is. If it's in AC or nearby, LT will always be a problem. But if the child's in a distant province it's no problem.
Just my 2 cents.My opinion. Young girls have "young girl problems" that include varying levels of drama. I prefer a more "seasoned" PI companion with experience and reasonable expectations.
NapaSlapper
04-10-23, 02:58
As fully expected over the Easter period the bars of Angeles city have been very quiet for girls.
Those girls that have the looks, body, youth to earn good money during the year left for their home provinces some days ago, from many bar owner friend they don't expect the girls back for a couple of weeks.
Always best to avoid Easter and Christmas periods in Angeles is my honest advice as the town and bars gets very quiet and girls return home to see family.
Should be all back to normal in the next couple of weeks.
NapaSlapper
04-10-23, 09:24
Lollipop has 2 rates.
Black bikinis are 3500.
Red bikinis are 4000.Have been in lollipop bar several times over the last few weeks as per my previous bar reports on such, so in the interest of keeping the board to correct info have to disagree that lollipop bar has separate groups of girls in black bikinis and red bikinis and further there is definately not a tiered bar fine system, all girls are the one price of 4,000 pesos.
As far as your comments on long time girls or short time girls in a recent post I think you will find that the type of girls that have choices and a que of high spending asian customers waiting for her services will insist on only short time, after all most girls choose to be pros to earn as big money as possible and of course many short times per day at 5,000 pesos per hour is much more profitable than 1 long time over many hours for the same money.
Have always found that the only type of angeles girls that are willing to settle for just the one long time payment are the type of girls with no other choices or other offers.
Have been in lollipop bar several times over the last few weeks as per my previous bar reports on such, so in the interest of keeping the board to correct info have to disagree that lollipop bar has separate groups of girls in black bikinis and red bikinis and further there is definately not a tiered bar fine system, all girls are the one price of 4,000 pesos.
As far as your comments on long time girls or short time girls in a recent post I think you will find that the type of girls that have choices and a que of high spending asian customers waiting for her services will insist on only short time, after all most girls choose to be pros to earn as big money as possible and of course many short times per day at 5,000 pesos per hour is much more profitable than 1 long time over many hours for the same money.
Have always found that the only type of angeles girls that are willing to settle for just the one long time payment are the type of girls with no other choices or other offers.Thank you for confirming that you really don't know what the heck you are spouting. Lollipop has 2 tier pricing. I got my colors mixed up. Red is 3. 5 k. Black is 4 k. 2 weeks ago I BF 2 reds at 3. 5 k each together. Paid 7 blue notes. Both were friends to each other. One went home after st. The second one stayed LT. She enjoyed sex. Btw, it was around 10pm when per you, she could have gone back to earn another st.
I dont see your math working out at 5k per hour for the girl. You have no clue as to what the girls gets.
In case you want ease out of it by saying "that was 2 weeks ago" I just confirm by text with a lollipop Black that the 2 tier pricing is still in effect. She informed me I had the colors wrong.
Boys, I learned long ago to always rely on your info from doers and not from your academic lookee loo book learners.
Persona non grata, once again leave it to the big boys that are actually doing the fucking.
NapaSlapper
04-10-23, 16:47
As a follow on from my very well received post on 28.2. 23 titled never visited which gave a Guide for those that have never visited Angeles but have thought of visiting but not sure what to expect well here is the follow up with a few more thoughts.
How much is an Angeles bar fines and how they work.
Well in theory the full amount of barfine is paid to the bar before leaving the bar with the girl, bar fines should of course include fucking the girl, unfortunately bar fines in todays Angeles world are called early work release, yes you got it, one pays the full amount usually 4,000 pesos for the less quality girls and 5,000 pesos for better slimmer girls but its for exactly what it says on the tin early work release is paying for a girls time away from the bar and at no time is implied by the bar that sex is on offer due to the very strict human traffic laws covering prostitution, that said most girls accept that some sex will take place, but runners are rife in Angeles, so no complaints or money back from the bar if said girl has her clothes back on in record time or does not perform what was previously agreed the girl would perform back in the bar, basically one pays his money and takes his chances absolutely no refunds given by the bar even if no sex took place, not a fan of the pay all money before sex in todays Angeles as too many things to possibly go wrong with no redress, the pay after of Manilla, Thailand and most other mongering destinations is far safer for the punters pockets and enjoyment IMHO.
Girl cost per session including travel and hotels.
Some would have us believe that most Angeles girls are approx 100 usd per session and yes they generally are, but of course only for those of us that are already in Angeles, for the guys that have to put up with the ever rising cost of international air travel and hotel stays then those 100 usd Angeles girls turn into 400 or 500 usd Angeles girls per session especially for those flying in from the USA, England or Europe, being honest I struggle to find Angeles bargirls that are worth the 100 usd each let alone girls that would be costing hundreds of usd each.
Some will claim that yes Napa girl costs have gone up but so has the cost of bread and eggs and petrol, what these guys forget is that while Angeles girl costs have risen 100% and more over the very recent past, the cost of bread, eggs, petrol has risen much more slowly and of course offer the same product and quality as they always did, something that cannot be said for Angeles bar girls of today.
Angeles hotels and costs.
In general I find that the 100 -150 usd a night hotels' to be of adequate quality and positioning, yes its possible to find cheaper hotels but the quality generally is lacking, anything under 50 usd per night I would not consider at all for a stay, so one can get an idea of quality and cost then generally Angeles hotels are normally double the price of a similar hotel in Pattaya, Bangkok, Phnom penh or Saigon.
Drinks only girls.
As I and many others have reported drinks only girls are alive and well in most Angeles bars, what does not help is that these girls are mainly the better looking, slim, younger girls, exactly because the better looking girls get massive attention and many drinks bought that they can earn the big peso from lady drinks commissions without barfining at all, its all part and parcel of doing business in Angeles bars.
Many Angeles girls play the game, tell the punter all that he wants to hear, hit punter for as many lady drinks as possible and then when its time to leave remember that its the wrong time of the month or one of many other excuses, no need to feel bad, its just how it is.
Morale of the story, the best looking girls want money without fucking, like it or leave it. When the powers that be (bar owners) grow a pair and put a stop to all this deceit then ill be a much happier punter.
Welcome in Korean bars.
As a westerner I have always been welcomed in all Korean bars, once your face is known to the Korean owners / managers they will always offer a warm handshake and a 1st welcome drink on the house, so don't worry too much about being welcomed.
The Korean bars tend to be much larger, much better decorated with professional dance teams, they employ multiple girl, mostly slim, taller, lighter skin and fairly attractive, the best girls by far work in the Korean orientated bars so don't worry about popping in for a drink or 2, nice professional shows in most of these bars too.
Normal girls.
The problem with good girls that work in banks, insurance company or any other decent job is that she is very unlikely to be seen having coffee or anything else with a foreigner old enough to be her father / grandfather.
Most of these girls come from middle class families, families who sent their daughters to college / university at great expense for the sole reason of their daughters not having to be seen out with old mongers.
In my company there are all female employees, only the security staff are males, not one single girl is married / engaged / dating a foreigner, I attend all the birthdays, engagements, christenings, weddings etc 100% have pinoys of their own age and standing as partners.
Talk of foreigners walking into a bank and getting a date with the young cutie who works there is pure wishful thinking at best IMHO.
Stunners and choice of girls.
I keep hearing the word stunner used in many posts in truth I haven't seen anything like a stunner working in an Angeles bar for multiple years.
Are there okay looking slim girls working in Angeles bars yes a few, do these girls go out on bar fines, yes some do and some don't, do some of the better looking girls have nationalities that they will only go barfine with yes they do.
As far as when is the best time to visit a bar to see the better looking girls then there is no set time, some work early shift some late shift some work one week early and one week late.
Online girls in Angeles.
Many guys don't like the bars and the bar prices and all the shit that goes with bars and turn to online dating.
I have indeed had good success from paid online dating sites but this was with non pros, takes a long time to talk the girl into meeting up and many dates before one gets into her panties but time well spent IMHO but of course one has to have long periods in the Phills to be able to pull this off.
As far as the apps that are geared to freelance prostitutes visiting a punters hotel I have had very mixed experiences, most girls were not as their photos, even taking text to video call was not much better, many girls turned out to be 10 years older,20 kg heavier, obviously sent them away but many hours of text, skype call and waiting at the hotel wasted for nothing.
Angeles girls and bars of the past.
There is no doubt that the Angeles girls of multiple years ago were a different breed with a totally different mind set.
Multiple years ago mongering was easy in Angeles, walk into any bar and they were full to the brim with girls, even the small out of the way bars on perimeter Road, 90% of the girls were 18-20 years, slim and most definitely worth fucking, what's more important was that 100% of the girls would barfine and barfine long time, never had a dud girl back then and even if one did it was just a case of returning her to the bar for a full refund, good time was guaranteed by the bar, definitely not so now days.
Big numbers of Koreans and Asians in the bars.
As I and many have been reporting the Korean and Asian guys in bars are getting to very large numbers, they out number the mainly much older western punters by multiple times, the Asians mainly come for just a few short days mainly on golfing trips, business trips, language trips but some like to bar hop too, they tend to have multiple girls sitting in the bar with them, buying multiple lady drinks, buying food and snacks for the girls, throwing money notes at the girls on stage (called making it rain money) many competing for face with their Asian drinking buddies by showing who can spend the most money in the shortest of time.
Westerners taking exception to the Asians way of bar hopping.
Its true to say that Western guys mainly take exception to this because they have now been out gunned by the much younger, high spending Koreans who are by far the top dogs when it comes to getting quality girls attention.
I see this on every barhop I have in Angeles, I go on barhop with many Koreans and the girl attention is unreal, the bar girls literally mob the Asians with attention, go to the same bars with a group of westerners and those same girls don't pay any attention at all some refusing to even acknowledge western customers to the bar let alone sit and drink with a westerner, it is what it is unfortunately.
Girls claiming to westerners she does not like Asians.
For the guys that claim but my girl told me she does not like Koreans then my advice would be don't believe a word that comes out of a bar girls mouth especially a pinay bar girl, most of it is BS, girls tell punters what they want to hear, tell a girl one is American and all of a sudden she claims to loves Americans, tell a bargirl one is Indian or African or English and she automatically loves the nationality one is, its called making money, its after all what they do for a living.
Thanks to those that took the time to read this long post, I hope it helps with some of the noobies questions they might have.
Mr Enternational
04-10-23, 18:30
I BF 2 reds at 3. 5 k each together. Paid 7 blue notes. Both were friends to each other. One went home after st. The second one stayed LT. She enjoyed sex. Btw, it was around 10pm when per you, she could have gone back to earn another st.No. According to him the girl that left had a cue of high spending Asian customers waiting and the girl that stayed with you had no other offers.
Transporter
04-10-23, 18:57
Thank you for confirming that you really don't know what the heck you are spouting. Lollipop has 2 tier pricing. I got my colors mixed up. Red is 3. 5 k. Black is 4 k. 2 weeks ago Well then looks like the prices have doubled since the last time I went there.
Well then looks like the prices have doubled since the last time I went there.When was the last time you were there?
NapaSlapper
04-10-23, 20:20
You slappa the Nappa again.
He is color blind too unless he was never there. Can't see the difference between red or black bikinis.Confirmation from tonights bar hop to lollipop bar confirms that there is no colour blindness here, not wanting to argue but my eyes, my drinking buddies eyes and the manager and mummy all confirm that there is no set colour bikinis or stepped bar fines in this bar.
Still, glad that you were able to find a couple of girls to barfine together though, on multiple visits both myself and many buddies never saw a girl we would even buy a drink for, shows that we all do indeed have completely differing girl tastes.
Transporter
04-10-23, 21:32
When was the last time you were there?Can't really remember, as I slowly drifted away, I got tired of fields, so I continued to go but only on the perimeter and raymond area, avoided walking street.
Transporter
04-11-23, 00:45
A little bit clearer.
Errol Flynn
04-11-23, 03:56
My opinion. Young girls have "young girl problems" that include varying levels of drama. I prefer a more "seasoned" PI companion with experience and reasonable expectations.You're probably right, and I believe everyone should choose the type of girl they like. Me, I like young girls, even if they are, well, young (legal of course). Still, after a few 19-20 year olds that weren't as sexually playful or self confident as I wished, I tried a 27 year old and a 25 year old (some would still call them young). The 27 year old (recommended by a waitress I had befriended) was the single worst experience of my entire PI time. She knew enough to work me, but had no desire to actually please me. Even though the young girls might have been afraid of giving a blow job, they ALL wanted to please me. The 25 year old, also a waitress recommendation, but this time at Lollipop, was great. She was specifically recruited for a BJ, which she managed very well, but she was certainly pleasant to be with and I bought her drinks (but not BFs) on multiple subsequent days. She just wasn't the sweet nectar I had travelled halfway around the world for. But that's me. My point is that even if you have gray hair and a bit of belly you can have any (legal) age you want in AC. Some of the posts I read before visiting made me fear that wasn't the case for older westerners. If you want late twenty somethings or even thirty something MILFS they are plentiful. (whether they are better just depends on what you value, maybe try a bit of everything, right? My point is simply, that, in contrast to some of the posts made here, if you want a tight bodied 18-20 year old, being an older less than perfect western dude will not be a major obstacle. Do they bring all the immaturity and problems of a 20 year old? Hell yea. But some of us perversely enjoy that when the body is good enough.
I don't mean any offense, it's just that I almost didn't go to the PI because I wasn't sure I could find what I wanted (based on posts). The PI isn't perfect and it may or may not be for you, but don't worry that you can't find hot young girls, or hot older girls as well.
(if you want older than 30s they are free no matter how old you are, IMHO, LOL)
When was the last time you were there?Similar question: When and where were you, Transporter, able to take so many photos inside the bar, with the girls obviously happy to be included? It appears you survived to tell the tale.
Me, I like young girls, even if they are, well, young (legal of course). Still, after a few 19-20 year olds that weren't as sexually playful or self confident as I wished, I tried a 27 year old and a 25 year old (some would still call them young)...
if you want a tight bodied 18-20 year old, being an older less than perfect western dude will not be a major obstacle. Do they bring all the immaturity and problems of a 20 year old? Hell yea. But some of us perversely enjoy that when the body is good enough...
I don't mean any offense, it's just that I almost didn't go to the PI because I wasn't sure I could find what I wanted (based on posts). The PI isn't perfect and it may or may not be for you, but don't worry that you can't find hot young girls, or hot older girls as well.I'd agree that 24/25 is Goldilocks just right: 18 to 23 is too stoopid; 26+ is too hardened; 24/25 is knowledgeable, playful and just right.
20 yo problems being worth it?? Like returning to a bar the next day to have a girl apologise profusely for leaving early? Going to hospital to have her stomach pumped after trying to keep up with 300 lb foreigners and seasoned girls seemed like a sufficient excuse to me. 😱 She turned out to be great fun for the next few (alcohol free) days.
Newsflash to the guys expecting to find Ms Perfect:. She doesn't exist. Expecting to find 10's across the board for looks, attitude and skills is a fallacy. There is always compromise somewhere. Personally, I'd much rather a 6 in looks and 10's in attitude and skill than vice versa. But each to their own. 😊.
Enjoy. G.
FuriousGeorge
04-11-23, 07:43
In all my visits to AC (Gad damn I'm hoping to schedule again soon) I've seen exactly two tens. Both party girl civilians. The first looks like Zoe Saldana. Last March her boyfriend was this okay looking white late-40's dude and the had a table at Mega Dance many nights a week. I befriended him in hopes to get close to this vision of a woman. Didn't work out. I chatted her up and put forth my best game but to no avail (rare for me to get rejected in AC I must admit). Intelligent sophisticated woman who wasn't falling for my charming pickup nonsense. Then I come back in December and of course this dude is still hitting the Mega Dance scene and surprise surprise he has a new girlfriend, also a ten. Never chatted her up but damn she was hot. Also saw his ex around town. Made me realize I have to retire in this country.
Transporter
04-11-23, 10:45
Similar question: When and where were you, Transporter, able to take so many photos inside the bar, with the girls obviously happy to be included? It appears you survived to tell the tale.Its been a while, as bars just don't do it for me anymore.
WestCoast1
04-11-23, 13:01
Similar question: When and where were you, Transporter, able to take so many photos inside the bar, with the girls obviously happy to be included? It appears you survived to tell the tale.Bars started the crackdown on pics about a decade ago. Atlantis was one of the first. Prior to that, it was open season. For several years of trips, I walked into almost any bar and put my tiny point / shoot camera on the table while waiting for my drink to be delivered. Didn't take long after I snapped a few before a waitress would grab it: "Sir Can I borrow it?" and walk around snapping pics of the girls. Then she'd just drop it back on my table and walk away. Not sure if Bluetooth xfer was a thing at the time. Nobody asked for any specific pictures to be sent to them, or to this or that girl. It just seemed an exercise in vanity. Can't remember who took this picture, me or a mama or GRO. Also can't recall what bar this was. The folder this pic was in is from 2009.
Its been a while, as bars just don't do it for me anymore.
Also can't recall what bar this was. The folder this pic was in is from 2009.Brought a tear to the eye. Ahh, the good ol days. 😊.
Enjoy. G.
March 26,2023 BF 2 Lollipop reds at 3500 each.Was this intended for me? I was asking T about when/where he was permitted to photograph inside.
I haven't been taking part in the red / black bikini debate. 😜.
Cheers. G.
Was this intended for me? I was asking T about when/where he was permitted to photograph inside.
I haven't been taking part in the red / black bikini debate. 😜.
Cheers. G.My mistake. I misread it and have deleted it.
Errol Flynn
04-12-23, 05:42
I'd agree that 24/25 is Goldilocks just right: 18 to 23 is too stoopid; 26+ is too hardened; 24/25 is knowledgeable, playful and just right.
20 yo problems being worth it?? Like returning to a bar the next day to have a girl apologise profusely for leaving early? Going to hospital to have her stomach pumped after trying to keep up with 300 lb foreigners and seasoned girls seemed like a sufficient excuse to me. 😱 She turned out to be great fun for the next few (alcohol free) days.
Newsflash to the guys expecting to find Ms Perfect:. She doesn't exist. Expecting to find 10's across the board for looks, attitude and skills is a fallacy. There is always compromise somewhere. Personally, I'd much rather a 6 in looks and 10's in attitude and skill than vice versa. But each to their own. 😊.
Enjoy. G.I'm not disagreeing with you. 18-20 yo's can certainly be stupid. I just had some good luck this trip and maybe I have a high tolerance for stupid? I really meant two things: 1) it's about what each guy wants. What floats his boat. I don't like LBs, but if someone else does I couldn't care less and 2) We can generalize all we want, each girl is different and YMMV. My 25 yo from Lollipop (Jane) was GREAT attitude, sex, and fun wise. She was also good looking. So go get her. But I had a great long term time with a 19 yo who wasn't very sexually adventurous (she didn't know what a vbrator was until I bought her one), but she was NOT a drama queen. If I didn't like something she was doing I told her (in a kind way) and she stopped. Years ago I dated a 19 yo So Cal stripper. If I had told her I didn't like something she was doing she would have tripled down on it. So maybe I'm just impressed that young Pinas aren't so awful?
As a generalization I can see that 22-26 yos may be a sweet spot. But some guys really want the young thing, and my point is that you can get that in AC if it's what you want. There are many places where you are limited to 25 yo plus (such as So Cal AMPS). And, personality wise, each girl will be different.
I really meant two things: 1) it's about what each guy wants. What floats his boat. I don't like LBs, but if someone else does I couldn't care less and 2) We can generalize all we want, each girl is different and YMMV.
Years ago I dated a 19 yo So Cal stripper. If I had told her I didn't like something she was doing she would have tripled down on it. So maybe I'm just impressed that young Pinas aren't so awful?Amen to 1 & 2.
There is a big difference between between being an airhead (can be tolerated) and a total bit*h (GTFOuta here).
G.
Hey guys,
Can you tell me what's the best way to get from Clark Airport to Angeles City (Walking Street area)?
I've read that there are buses, jeepneys, and taxis (I suppose there's also Grab).
Since I'll arrive early in the morning, I wouldn't mind taking a bus or jeepney and then walk a little. But if taking a Grab is cheap, I wouldn't rule it out.
Thanks.
Transporter
04-12-23, 17:12
Hey guys,
Can you tell me what's the best way to get from Clark Airport to Angeles City (Walking Street area)?
I've read that there are buses, jeepneys, and taxis (I suppose there's also Grab).
Since I'll arrive early in the morning, I wouldn't mind taking a bus or jeepney and then walk a little. But if taking a Grab is cheap, I wouldn't rule it out.
Thanks.You really don't have to worry much, they will all cost about the same and you will get mobbed even before you step outside. Just pick the one that looks safest to you. If you really want to save some pesos you could hike it out and flag something down, but it just really isn't worth it. I usually (in the past) just go with the van ride share that way I get to meet and chat with a bunch of backpackers. BTW if you think you will get ripped, just look around, there is usually a sign that clearly states what the price should be posted near the exit.
You really don't have to worry much, they will all cost about the same and you will get mobbed even before you step outside. Just pick the one that looks safest to you. If you really want to save some pesos you could hike it out and flag something down, but it just really isn't worth it. I usually (in the past) just go with the van ride share that way I get to meet and chat with a bunch of backpackers. BTW if you think you will get ripped, just look around, there is usually a sign that clearly states what the price should be posted near the exit.Thanks for your answer.
In the past (2016), I got scammed by several taxi drivers in Manila and Cebu. But it's not just a problem exclusive to the Philippines, in the countries I've traveled to around the world, the only problems I've had have always been with my dear taxi drivers. Since apps like Uber, Cabify, Grab came out, I only travel with them, and my wallet and mental health thank me! Haha Anyway, when I land in Clark, I'll see what I do, hopefully, I won't get ripped off as a newbie.
Regards.
Hey guys,
Can you tell me what's the best way to get from Clark Airport to Angeles City (Walking Street area)?What's your definition of "best"? Alongside all the options that you have listed, the easiest is just to get your hotel to organise a door to door pickup.
NapaSlapper
04-13-23, 02:56
Its been a while, as bars just don't do it for me anymore.Thanks for the photos and the good memories.
Recognize some of the girls and definitely remember the girls had a time of wearing the white Hawaiian outfits.
At a guess I would date these photos at being around the year 2010.
Have to fully agree with your good self that Angeles has changed so much in the last years and easy to see why the old guard have such a torrid time in accepting what Angeles has become.
Still, for those that lived the Angeles golden years we still have our memories to fall back on.
Enjoy.
You really don't have to worry much, they will all cost about the same and you will get mobbed even before you step outside. Just pick the one that looks safest to you. If you really want to save some pesos you could hike it out and flag something down, but it just really isn't worth it. I usually (in the past) just go with the van ride share that way I get to meet and chat with a bunch of backpackers. BTW if you think you will get ripped, just look around, there is usually a sign that clearly states what the price should be posted near the exit.That's was the old Clark airport. Clark has a new modern airport now, style after the Cebu airport. A friend of mine told me she had trouble getting a ride from there as the airport is not very busy. Maybe you better arrange transport in advance.
The new airport is further out. Not sure if it is serviced by jeepneys anymore. Hopefully there will be Blue Taxis lined up. Be prepare to pay around 500.
After a couple of days of barhopping and being thoroughly unimpressed I stumbled into Baccara around midnight last night. I could hardly believe my eyes. It was like Angeles of yesteryear. Mostly young, cute, flat stomached, hot babes. Not a stretch mark or tattoo to be seen. I'm wondering if this was just a fluke, one off. Maybe the Korean guys were all busy doing something else and left an unusual number of lookers untouched. I am in Cebu now so can't investigate if this if this was just one time thing or even a mirage. I had a great time with near perfect 10's (tuand I'm picky) on each arm. Unfortunately I had a regular girl coming to my room later. So I couldn't fully exploit this unexpected find.
What's your definition of "best"? Alongside all the options that you have listed, the easiest is just to get your hotel to organise a door to door pickup.My definition of "best" would be a mix between cheap price and comfort. Honestly, I've never bothered organizing hotel pickup because it's usually the most expensive option. I prefer to save some money on transportation so I can spend it on beer or hooking up with girls (not necessarily in that order).
I've read that there are moto taxis in Cebu that can take you from the airport to the center. Are there any in Clark too? (I'm traveling with a small backpack).
That's was the old Clark airport. Clark has a new modern airport now, style after the Cebu airport. A friend of mine told me she had trouble getting a ride from there as the airport is not very busy. Maybe you better arrange transport in advance.Well, I'll be arriving in Clark very early in the morning (07:00). I hope I don't have any issues finding transportation to AC.
My definition of "best" would be a mix between cheap price and comfort. Honestly, I've never bothered organizing hotel pickup because it's usually the most expensive option. I prefer to save some money on transportation so I can spend it on beer or hooking up with girls (not necessarily in that order).
I've read that there are moto taxis in Cebu that can take you from the airport to the center. Are there any in Clark too? (I'm traveling with a small backpack).The cheapest would be a Jeepney. They definitely go to Dau so I'm assuming there is still an SM Mall option too. With a small back pack, that's reasonably convenient to Walking Street.
If you want to go further away, I'd just grab an airport taxi.
A hotel car is indeed the most expensive but, for a 15 minute trip, the premium would be pretty small. Some find that worth paying for the piece of mind and door to door service to exactly where you want to go.
Enjoy. G.
The cheapest would be a Jeepney. They definitely go to Dau so I'm assuming there is still an SM Mall option too. With a small back pack, that's reasonably convenient to Walking Street.
If you want to go further away, I'd just grab an airport taxi.
A hotel car is indeed the most expensive but, for a 15 minute trip, the premium would be pretty small. Some find that worth paying for the piece of mind and door to door service to exactly where you want to go.
Enjoy. G.Thanks for your info. The night before, I'll be in Cebu at Mango Square area, so it all depends on how much fun I have there and how tired I am.
The cheapest would be a Jeepney. They definitely go to Dau so I'm assuming there is still an SM Mall option too. With a small back pack, that's reasonably convenient to Walking Street.
If you want to go further away, I'd just grab an airport taxi.
A hotel car is indeed the most expensive but, for a 15 minute trip, the premium would be pretty small. Some find that worth paying for the piece of mind and door to door service to exactly where you want to go.
Enjoy. G.Why do so many people going to PI overthink everything? Prices are dirt cheap regardless of what you choose. Is a $1.00 difference in transportation really an issue?
WestCoast1
04-14-23, 03:35
A hotel car is indeed the most expensive but, for a 15 minute trip, the premium would be pretty small. Some find that worth paying for the piece of mind and door to door service to exactly where you want to go.
Why do so many people going to PI overthink everything? Prices are dirt cheap regardless of what you choose. Is a $1.00 difference in transportation really an issue?Spot on. Paying a taxi or hotel-arranged car will run you $5-$10. If you are flying into a new city or airport where you don't have experience, it doesn't make sense to go cheap. The hotel guy will be waiting for you outside holding a sign with your name on it. He is the fastest and simplest route to your hotel front desk, and hence the ladies. An airport taxi might quote you p500 ($10), and then dicker down to p400 or p300. Or maybe he won't. Is it worth the dickering down to save a few dollars? Bahala ka. Pay up and get to the objective (the nearly unlimited poon you are already getting at a discount).
Edited to add: Late last year a mate msg'd me saying that the Clark airport does not allow Joyride or Angkas motorcycles into the airport. You will need to walk your backpack outside the main gate of the airport to pick up a moto-taxi.
An airport taxi might quote you p500 ($10), and then dicker down to p400 or p300. Or maybe he won't. Is it worth the dickering down to save a few dollars?I also look at the number of steps in the cheapest ride: the Jeepney ride is actually walk well outside the terminal, past all the sprinklers offering to "assist" you in to their car, find the right Jeep; get the price; ride to SM after 10 other passengers are ready; find a honest 😊 trike; set prices; enjoy the bounce bounce ride to your hotel (good luck if you're a fully grown adult); collapse asleep for a couple of hours to recover from the heat, vibration, noise and dust. For some it's worth the money saved. Others see the multiple opportunities for that intended savings to disappear in over charging, lost time or general heartache.
I've got my preferences but, as usual, each to their own.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. I certainly have used Cheap Charlie Transport in the past but it's been when I'm in no hurry and already know the lay of the land.
WestCoast1
04-14-23, 09:17
P.S. I certainly have used Cheap Charlie Transport in the past but it's been when I'm in no hurry and already know the lay of the land.Gorrion update us when you get there with a solid Field Report.
Engine Driver
04-14-23, 09:55
Thanks for the photos and the good memories.
Recognize some of the girls and definitely remember the girls had a time of wearing the white Hawaiian outfits.
At a guess I would date these photos at being around the year 2010.
Have to fully agree with your good self that Angeles has changed so much in the last years and easy to see why the old guard have such a torrid time in accepting what Angeles has become.
Still, for those that lived the Angeles golden years we still have our memories to fall back on.
Enjoy.LOL. Yes, it's incredulous you can recognize the girls from 12-years ago from a tiny photo! There were only a few thousand bar girls back then. Despite your frequent negativity, I think most mongers are having a great time in Angeles city. There still something for everyone.
Gorrion update us when you get there with a solid Field Report.Of course, I'll do it.
I plan on writing reports during the day about what I did the night before, since I assume I won't be doing much else besides chilling at the hotel pool. But we got to wait until July when I'm going (I know it's still far away, but I love preparing for trips almost as much as the trip itself).
I'll also write some reports (if there's anything noteworthy related to this forum's topic) about my other destinations in the Philippines: Makati, Siargao, Camiguin, and Cebu.
I'd like to thank why'all for your responses and info.
Counting down the days until my vacation starts!
Gorrion update us when you get there with a solid Field Report.Don't forget to check out Lollipop Bar. Details please.
NapaSlapper
04-14-23, 15:29
LOL. Yes, it's incredulous you can recognize the girls from 12-years ago from a tiny photo! There were only a few thousand bar girls back then. Despite your frequent negativity, I think most mongers are having a great time in Angeles city. There still something for everyone.Ever heard of enlarging the photos in zoom mode, guess not.
Can still remember some of the girls faces all the way back over 27 years so not sure what your point is, maybe you spend your trips in a drunken stupor rendering memory impossible and choice of girl quality much higher than reality.
As per the almost non existence of western mongers to Angeles city over the last year it seems that most have voted with their feet not to visit anymore as many have recently stated, so much for a girl for everyone in Angeles.
I'll also write some reports (if there's anything noteworthy related to this forum's topic) about my other destinations in the Philippines: Makati, Siargao, Camiguin, and Cebu.
I'd be interested in real time info on Siargo and Camiguin.
Thanks.
BroComplex
04-16-23, 09:45
As a follow on from my very well received post on 28.2. 23 titled never visited which gave a Guide for those that have never visited Angeles but have thought of visiting but not sure what to expect well here is the follow up with a few more thoughts.I agree with everything you said %100. I no longer think angeles city is a good option for mongering anymore if you are going for two weeks holiday.
The biggest issue is finding girls. First there are not enough girls and when you start to remove the ugly girls, drink only girls, korean only girls, I'm on my period girls, asking way too much girls, want to leave too soon girls you going to end up with like 2 fuckable girls in the whole city and by the time you find one of those 2 fuckable girls you already been to 6 bars and bought 10 drinks and 5 LD don't forget to add that to the cost of the barfine.
Thailand is a much better option as there are way more working girls in thailand and more venues to find girls. There are BJ and massage parlors, online, bars, freelancers. I can easily find a girl anytime of the day without having to deal with the bars. I can go to a massage shop, pick a girl pay 3500 peso /2000 baht and fuck her without having to buy her a drink and convince her to have sex with me like with the broken bar system. The cost is for p4 p is very similar to angeles but its easier to get. The food, transportation and accommodation are cheaper on average in thailand and the quality is high. I assume we all agree on how bad the food in the philippines is.
But if you are a younger guy staying for a month or longer and you are willing to invest in dating civilian girls no other country can match the philippines. I used to stay in manila and find good looking, extremely low mileage girls on tinder for free and all it takes is a couple of nice dinner dates. And those girls are low maintenance and extremely horny once you get them. Like you can get 6 pops a day bareback with your new girlfriend and if you do the math that will cost you at least 25 k a day in the bars if we assume you will get 2 pops out of each girl.
Transporter
04-16-23, 11:22
Disclaimer: I have not been to AC in quite a few years, so definitely not an expert there anymore.
I will be rolling past DAU on my way northward next week, and thought I would stop buy and hang for a day or two to drink with old buddies. At least that was the thought, so I gave them a call to see how are things. To my surprise they said BF's are now 4 K except for the 8 K ones that cater to the koreans. I said interesting, but I am okay with that as I have always been able to find what I want regardless. I was told that bars open at 10 in the morning (korean owned). I said great, I usually start my rounds at noon anyway. I was also told that the Koreans rent private villas now, and have private vans that roll in at 10 and cherry pick the girls back to there private villas to party, so by noon the crowds been thinned out.
Times sure have changed.
I think this has peaked my interest a little bit. Getting more tempted to stop by now.
WestCoast1
04-16-23, 12:50
The biggest issue is finding girls. First there are not enough girls and when you start to remove the ugly girls, drink only girls, korean only girls, I'm on my period girls, asking way too much girls, want to leave too soon girls you going to end up with like 2 fuckable girls in the whole city and by the time you find one of those 2 fuckable girls you already been to 6 bars and bought 10 drinks and 5 LD don't forget to add that to the cost of the barfine.With the re-opening about a year ago, I was going off the new inbound reports at the time. FG and MM were having a great time. Mask rules in AC were already pretty much forgotten. At the same time the re-opening was happening in NRC / Burgos, and the gents didn't seem to take to the stricter NCR rules. My recommendation was for everyone to just go to AC and get their rocks off, regardless of the issues stated by BC above. Even with the issues above, and having been there last year, I think the point-and-shoot gents need to make a simple decision:
1) Pay p10 k for a Burgos LT. There are few issues with Burgos girls, as they receive the bulk of their payment from the tip in the morning; keeping the customer happy is important. Or.
2) Pay p5 k up-front for an AC girl and hope she doesn't run (or give you other BS in the room about a condom, or no BJ, don'tCIP, or such). Or.
3) Tinder (which is not point-and-shoot, as you can not feel her up or ogle her like you can a bargirl).
4) Get thee to Thailand.
I used to stay in manila and find good looking, extremely low mileage girls on tinder for free and all it takes is a couple of nice dinner dates. And those girls are low maintenance and extremely horny once you get them. Like you can get 6 pops a day bareback with your new girlfriend and if you do the math that will cost you at least 25 k a day in the bars if we assume you will get 2 pops out of each girl. SIX? Sana all!
I agree with everything you said %100. I no longer think angeles city is a good option for mongering anymore if you are going for two weeks holiday.
The biggest issue is finding girls. First there are not enough girls and when you start to remove the ugly girls, drink only girls, korean only girls, I'm on my period girls, asking way too much girls, want to leave too soon girls you going to end up with like 2 fuckable girls in the whole city and by the time you find one of those 2 fuckable girls you already been to 6 bars and bought 10 drinks and 5 LD don't forget to add that to the cost of the barfine....
But if you are a younger guy staying for a month or longer and you are willing to invest in dating civilian girls no other country can match the philippines. I used to stay in manila and find good looking, extremely low mileage girls on tinder for free and all it takes is a couple of nice dinner dates. And those girls are low maintenance and extremely horny once you get them. Like you can get 6 pops a day bareback with your new girlfriend and if you do the math that will cost you at least 25 k a day in the bars if we assume you will get 2 pops out of each girl.I don't disagree with you. Every guy likes different things and I'm certainly no AC fanboy but you are comparing apples and oranges. A 60 yo two week warrior in Sincity is different to a young resident chasing good girls in the big smoke.
Don't forget that bars are hardly the only way to get laid in AC and anyone unfortunate enough to be stuck there for a long period can also go the ground work and good girl route. Hell, there are many girls outside of bars who take minimal investment. I guess girls form a spectrum rather than just "good" and "bad".
AC also has the benefit that, despite comments of "visiting friends" or "on the way to Subic" everyone knows why a white guy is in town. There is no need to explain intentions and anyone replying to messages knows exactly what ultimate expectations are
Enjoy. G.
We went a group of friends 10 April '23 and a few days. Stayed at ABC and triked to Walking Street (100 p) I picked up a chick in Vikings / Pirates and barfined 4500 pesos (72 Eur) for a sweet 23 why / o chick called Mary. Took her to the hotel and went to the club where we went swimming and she and a group of girls danced on the beerpong table. In the room she performed well and BBBJ / CIM / FS no issues!
VictorHugo999
04-21-23, 07:13
Hi Bro see.
Thanks for the analysis of AC situation, to put things into perspective.
Yet one can't help but feel. That things are. Not. Getting. Better over. Time.
Aprreciate, Victor.
I agree with everything you said %100. I no longer think angeles city is a good option for mongering anymore if you are going for two weeks holiday.
The biggest issue is finding girls. First there are not enough girls and when you start to remove the ugly girls, drink only girls, korean only girls, I'm on my period girls, asking way too much girls, want to leave too soon girls you going to end up with like 2 fuckable girls in the whole city and by the time you find one of those 2 fuckable girls you already been to 6 bars and bought 10 drinks and 5 LD don't forget to add that to the cost of the barfine.
Thailand is a much better option as there are way more working girls in thailand and more venues to find girls. There are BJ and massage parlors, online, bars, freelancers. I can easily find a girl anytime of the day without having to deal with the bars. I can go to a massage shop, pick a girl pay 3500 peso /2000 baht and fuck her without having to buy her a drink and convince her to have sex with me like with the broken bar system. The cost is for p4 p is very similar to angeles but its easier to get. The food, transportation and accommodation are cheaper on average in thailand and the quality is high. I assume we all agree on how bad the food in the philippines is.
But if you are a younger guy staying for a month or longer and you are willing to invest in dating civilian girls no other country can match the philippines. I used to stay in manila and find good looking, extremely low mileage girls on tinder for free and all it takes is a couple of nice dinner dates. And those girls are low maintenance and extremely horny once you get them. Like you can get 6 pops a day bareback with your new girlfriend and if you do the math that will cost you at least 25 k a day in the bars if we assume you will get 2 pops out of each girl.
I think the Koreans don't necessarily have more money than the Westerners, but they chase stunners more dedicated and team up. Pretty girls from the AC dayshift get scooped up by 10 AM and stay with Koreans for days. In the Hammer night club they book VIP tables and team up for the best looking freelancers. In Pasay (Manila) it's not different, Korean and Chinese night clubs have the prettiest girls. A Makati taxi driver said that the Burgos street is a monopoly with high barfine agreements between bars.
I think the Koreans don't necessarily have more money than the Westerners, but they chase stunners more dedicated and team up. Pretty girls from the AC dayshift get scooped up by 10 AM and stay with Koreans for days. In the Hammer night club they book VIP tables and team up for the best looking freelancers. In Pasay (Manila) it's not different, Korean and Chinese night clubs have the prettiest girls. A Makati taxi driver said that the Burgos street is a monopoly with high barfine agreements between bars.
Transporter
04-22-23, 00:31
I don't really like AC, so I have been avoiding it for some time now (nothing wrong with it, it's just not my drip). Needed to hook up with some old friends, and rendezvous with another, so dau is a very central location. Anyhoo, got ripped and had a blast last night, but this is the first time (ever) that a girl asked me if it was okay to go ahead and put it in because we didn't have a condom.
Transporter
04-22-23, 02:00
I think the Koreans don't necessarily have more money than the Westerners, but they chase stunners more dedicated and team up. Pretty girls from the AC dayshift get scooped up by 10 AM and stay with Koreans for days. In the Hammer night club they book VIP tables and team up for the best looking freelancers. In Pasay (Manila) it's not different, Korean and Chinese night clubs have the prettiest girls. A Makati taxi driver said that the Burgos street is a monopoly with high barfine agreements between bars."These girls go with Koreans not because of how they hunt for girls but that the girls prefer small dicks".
NapaSlapper
04-22-23, 02:09
I agree with everything you said %100. I no longer think angeles city is a good option for mongering anymore if you are going for two weeks holiday.
The biggest issue is finding girls. First there are not enough girls and when you start to remove the ugly girls, drink only girls, korean only girls, I'm on my period girls, asking way too much girls, want to leave too soon girls you going to end up with like 2 fuckable girls in the whole city and by the time you find one of those 2 fuckable girls you already been to 6 bars and bought 10 drinks and 5 LD don't forget to add that to the cost of the barfine..Have to fully agree with you.
Yes indeed the major problem for Angeles visitors is that even if one is just a little bit fussy one has to bar hop multiple bars to find even an average looking girl, there is a definite severe shortage of attractive slim girls, once one has spotted the girl he likes one has the mammoth task of getting the princesses attention in the 1st place, why, because her attention is fully on the younger, high spending Koreans, many, many girls are drinks only girls, many many are Korean only girls, many many are cherrie girls, that leaves a very small if at all selection of available girls for mr westerner.
It is what it is, one can either greatly lower ones girl expectations or find another mongering destination where the girls are younger, prettier and don't only look to fuck with certain nationalities.
Some will have us believe that all is Rosie in Angeles, there is bar girl for every taste they will tell us, how they know what my taste is or anyone else's taste in women is mind blowing, just because one finds his type of girl does not mean anyone else would find her attractive.
Was out on the town several times over the last couple of weeks, this town is 99% Koreans, they spend the big money, they have the few better looking girls that will actually barfine on their arm, I look at some of the westerners out at breakfast in the mornings with their girl from last night and all I can say is that many many are having to lower their girl choice to very low levels in order to get laid.
Was in Thailand for songkran celebrations for couple of days, must say the general quality of Thai girls is high, one just needs to pop into terminal 21 mall in Bangkok and its like walking into a fashion shoot, no way of telling if some of these girls sold their pussy by the hour but for anyone who has the time to invest in a quality girlfriend then many to be found here.
Have to fully agree with you.
Yes indeed the major problem for Angeles visitors is that even if one is just a little bit fussy one has to bar hop multiple bars to find even an average looking girl, there is a definite severe shortage of attractive slim girls, once one has spotted the girl he likes one has the mammoth task of getting the princesses attention in the 1st place, why, because her attention is fully on the younger, high spending Koreans, many, many girls are drinks only girls, many many are Korean only girls, many many are cherrie girls, that leaves a very small if at all selection of available girls for mr westerner.
It is what it is, one can either greatly lower ones girl expectations or find another mongering destination where the girls are younger, prettier and don't only look to fuck with certain nationalities.
Some will have us believe that all is Rosie in Angeles, there is bar girl for every taste they will tell us, how they know what my taste is or anyone else's taste in women is mind blowing, just because one finds his type of girl does not mean anyone else would find her attractive.
Was out on the town several times over the last couple of weeks, this town is 99% Koreans, they spend the big money, they have the few better looking girls that will actually barfine on their arm, I look at some of the westerners out at breakfast in the mornings with their girl from last night and all I can say is that many many are having to lower their girl choice to very low levels in order to get laid.
Was in Thailand for songkran celebrations for couple of days, must say the general quality of Thai girls is high, one just needs to pop into terminal 21 mall in Bangkok and its like walking into a fashion shoot, no way of telling if some of these girls sold their pussy by the hour but for anyone who has the time to invest in a quality girlfriend then many to be found here.I go to Angeles every week and cannot argue with one thing said here. Also have found that more than half of those slim, hot girls are terrible once you get them back to your room. As for finding a smoking hot girl that is incredible in the bedroom, well the odds are slightly better than finding the unicorn farm. And yes the Koreans have taken over Angeles. Many bars are Korean only and some of them have different bar fine prices for OTK (Other than Korean) customers. If you ever saw Born in East LA you will find the connection to the OTK acronym.
99% of the ones in AC are rude and obnoxious also. They think they are better than anyone else on earth. Not just the Westerners either, this also goes for the Japanese, Chinese, or any other Asian race. They even have their own Korean task Force Police in AC. I saw a party of 8 of them one night at the the B & B Grill. 4 Korean men with 4 Filipinas. They all ate and drank then when they left they pulled all of their chairs out and left them in the aisle so anyone needing to get to the restroom would have to move them to get by. They left 4 small coins as a tip to the server who had made several trips to their table for about an hour.
Very few Koreans in Subic and they don't own any bars there but the selection of girls is much smaller. As for cheap mongering it is pretty much non existent anymore. Still a lot cheaper here than the western world but by the time you include travel costs Colombia and Costa Rica basically costs the same unless you plan to stay for several months. As for flying 20-30 hours to spend 2 weeks in the PH then doing the same to get back home it's no longer a good return on your investment for the pussy to dollar ratio.
I guess the only good thing is that their mediocre San Miguel Beer Brewery isn't owned by Anheuser Busch.
WestCoast1
04-22-23, 10:27
Very few Koreans in Subic and they don't own any bars there but the selection of girls is much smaller. So we should make Subic our new haunt.
I guess the only good thing is that their mediocre San Miguel Beer Brewery isn't owned by Anheuser Busch.Now *that's* funny!
Pic just for fun.
Fastpiston
04-22-23, 12:34
I used to visit AC a lot, and have noticed a sharp deterioration over many years. Covid reset it into Korealand. The forum reports confirm my view. Price / Quality now is too high. I'm focusing on other opportunities, outside the bar scene.
I used to visit AC a lot, and have noticed a sharp deterioration over many years. Covid reset it into Korealand. The forum reports confirm my view. Price / Quality now is too high. I'm focusing on other opportunities, outside the bar scene.Well I've moved around a bit while living here in the Philippines. From Cebu up to Manila and finally Angeles city. For those on vacation sure there are better options than Angeles. More girls in Manila for sure. But for the number of regular bars with good drink prices, good food and some nice looking women Angeles is a great place to live. Easy to get girls from dating apps, from some of the bars and once they know your a local are easy to hook up with. Prices for freelance is around half what I was paying in Thailand. You just have to take what is given, go with the flow. I would suggest asking if the girl goes with westerners before even offering a drink. All girls I've taken from bars only want short time. They might agree to stay longer if their friends are bar fined with them? Maybe that's how the Koreans have greater success at keeping them all night.
WalkAboutBoyz
04-23-23, 18:15
I used to visit AC a lot, and have noticed a sharp deterioration over many years. Covid reset it into Korealand. The forum reports confirm my view. Price / Quality now is too high. I'm focusing on other opportunities, outside the bar scene.I also used to visit AC a lot 10-12 years ago. I haven't been since 2016 but coming on Wednesday for a week. However, browsing this forum right now has depressed the hell out of me! I really hope some of this is exaggerated. Back in 2010 when I was in my 20's, I would love to barfine a girl and party all night with her. I guess I shouldn't expect that to happen anymore? I'm 39 now, is there anyone that will be in Angeles later this week that wants to meetup for barhopping? Send me a message!
RakSopheni
04-23-23, 19:37
So we should make Subic our new haunt.It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.
I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.
DzikaBomba
04-23-23, 20:00
I used to visit AC a lot, and have noticed a sharp deterioration over many years. Covid reset it into Korealand. The forum reports confirm my view. Price / Quality now is too high. I'm focusing on other opportunities, outside the bar scene.
No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.Its very sad but I'm also passing on my planned trip to AC this year. Better to go to the dark continent. I get there what I want much better and cheaper and its a stonethrow from Europe. So no need for this long, expensive flight to PH.
Its just sad what happend to AC. Its a place now, where Americans are competing with Koreans, beacause they want a second Costa Rica far from home.
Paying barfines 5-7 K or giving freelancers Plane Janes single Moms 3 K ST. OMG!
I wanted to see it just one more time, but no, thanks. With shit like that not anymore.
I also used to visit AC a lot 10-12 years ago. I haven't been since 2016 but coming on Wednesday for a week. However, browsing this forum right now has depressed the hell out of me! I really hope some of this is exaggerated. Back in 2010 when I was in my 20's, I would love to barfine a girl and party all night with her. I guess I shouldn't expect that to happen anymore? I'm 39 now, is there anyone that will be in Angeles later this week that wants to meetup for barhopping? Send me a message!At 39 you should have no problem in Angeles or anywhere in the Philippines. Consider most of the info on here relevant to a 60+, penny watching mongerer. If you're younger and only there for a week and not willing to let a 1000-2000 peso price change ruin your week then you will do fine. It is true about Koreans going to bar fine very early and on the weekend there may be no decent ones by the evening. Go earlier, agree an all day / night barfine and tip and I'm sure you'll do fine.
It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.
I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans and call them young and handsome even though 90% of the ones I've seen are all chubby and 45+ too. But think they'll do fine when there's thousands of fit young soldiers in their 20's to compete with. Good luck.
WestCoast1
04-24-23, 00:18
I also used to visit AC a lot 10-12 years ago. I haven't been since 2016 but coming on Wednesday for a week. However, browsing this forum right now has depressed the hell out of me! WAB: You made plans to come before reading the Board?
I really hope some of this is exaggerated. Back in 2010 when I was in my 20's, I would love to barfine a girl and party all night with her.I don't think its exaggerated. I disagree with the extent of what NS has said, but I think much of what he says is based in reality. Back when you were going to AC, there were few K bars. Things have since changed. One of the basic changes is that while an AC gogo girl costs half the amount of a Burgos gogo gal, you are likely to get her for ST (hence, half the fun); meaning its the same value. Best to check with the girl / mama before the barfine on her departure time. Some bars now have a divided BF system; example p4000 for ST and 5000 LT.
I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.It appears that there are two AC's out in the open now, and that's a problem. Like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates: You never know what you're going to get. I can see, from that perspective, why the gents would give it a pass. You want to know in advance what the 'norm' is, but when there are two different norms, its hard to grasp or bother with it.
Get thee to Patts, getns, and leave the expensive pina-poon to me.
RakSopheni
04-24-23, 00:58
coming on Wednesday for a week.I hope you do a follow post describing the differences between then and now.
It appears that there are two AC's out in the open now, and that's a problem. Like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates: You never know what you're going to get. I can see, from that perspective, why the gents would give it a pass. You want to know in advance what the 'norm' is, but when there are two different norms, its hard to grasp or bother with it.
Get thee to Patts, getns, and leave the expensive pina-poon to me.I'd suggest that guys already have voted with their feet and wallets. Just compare the number of bums on seats reports here to Patts. The number of real time reports now is a fraction of 12,24, or more, months ago and also against competing monger areas. We are now lucky to see two live reports a month.
I'd certainly agree with the two ACs concept. Some guys turn up and have a great time (admittedly at 5000 a pop). Others either don't barfine at all or have a miserable time. Despite the amount of abuse hurled between the two camps, in terms of satisfying their priorities, both are right.
Personally, I haven't been persuaded not to return as I go to the bars to meet up with other guys, have a perve and a drink but very rarely to actually barfine. I use numerous other ways to get laid in town and I generally get bored after a few days and move on. Suits me well but I understand that YMMV for others.
Enjoy. G.
Transporter
04-24-23, 02:09
I'd suggest that guys already have voted with their feet and wallets. Just compare the number of bums on seats reports here to Patts. The number of real time reports now is a fraction of 12,24, or more, months ago and also against competing monger areas. We are now lucky to see two live reports a month.
Well I am not a reports kinda guy, but I can yolo. I am here now in AC, haven't been here since 2016, didn't like the way things were going then, so I got out, don't like it now either. But what I am looking for is probably entirely different than what most others are looking for, maybe I am not normal. If I was say (this is just me) under 50 years of age, had only a couple weeks to yolo not a huge bank account, had moderate to little game, enjoyed both quality over quantity AND quantity over quality, wanted someplace relatively safe, got tired of the whole mechanical thing, enjoyed your commands being obeyed, english was my only spoken language, want to also have decent conversation with the girls, enjoyed shootin' fish in a barrel, then yes, YES this is still a great place / value.
Mongoose312
04-24-23, 03:34
It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans and call them young and handsome even though 90% of the ones I've seen are all chubby and 45+ too. But think they'll do fine when there's thousands of fit young soldiers in their 20's to compete with. Good luck.Yeah true this. If, in the future, there is, once again, a large US Military presence in Luzon it means missiles are flying over the South China Sea and neither K-Mongers or Western Expats of a certain age will be found anywhere in Luzon. I see Thailand staying neutral and failing this, Brazil as the backup. I can tell you one thing, no femboy k-sissies in Copacabana.
WestCoast1
04-24-23, 06:51
So we should make Subic our new haunt.
It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.Ya I wasn't joking about that. I would like to make my first Subic visit this year. An influx of westerners there could cause a draw there of provincial ladies. Would the Koreanos also follow?
Its a place now, where Americans are competing with Koreans, beacause they want a second Costa Rica far from home.
Paying barfines 5-7 K or giving freelancers Plane Janes single Moms 3 K ST. OMG!DB, can you give us a hint of current (not pre-covid) Costa Rica or DR prices, including ST / LT, condom / no condom? I ask so the gents can compare. Mexico has experienced its own covid-related inflation in girlie prices of about 50% (and, as before covid, condoms in MX are always required). Hence, a Phils inflation (as everywhere else) is maybe not so out of line.
And speaking of condoms, the gents who've mentioned Thailand. Is the condom generally required, or generally not mentioned by girls?
FuriousGeorge
04-24-23, 10:04
Talking to my friends who have visited MX and Colombia and Thailand, condoms are required. Bareback is the norm in Phils and THAT IS WHY WE GO THERE. I would rather have a bare handjob than vaginal penetration with a condom. That's me. I understand not everybody is in that boat. So go somewhere else. That's why I will continue to return to the Phils. Hopefully in a couple months.
Ya I wasn't joking about that. I would like to make my first Subic visit this year. An influx of westerners there could cause a draw there of provincial ladies. Would the Koreanos also follow?
DB, can you give us a hint of current (not pre-covid) Costa Rica or DR prices, including ST / LT, condom / no condom? I ask so the gents can compare. Mexico has experienced its own covid-related inflation in girlie prices of about 50% (and, as before covid, condoms in MX are always required). Hence, a Phils inflation (as everywhere else) is maybe not so out of line.
And speaking of condoms, the gents who've mentioned Thailand. Is the condom generally required, or generally not mentioned by girls?
WestCoast1
04-24-23, 11:29
SNIP want to also have decent conversation with the girls, enjoyed shootin' fish in a barrel, then yes, YES this is still a great place / value.Life is full of trade-offs.
It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans SNIP If you're younger and only there for a week and not willing to let a 1000-2000 peso price change ruin your week then you will do fineGood observations*.
Consider most of the info on here relevant to a 60+, penny watching mongerer.Haha you seem to know a lot about me.
Talking to my friends who have visited MX and Colombia and Thailand, condoms are required. Bareback is the norm in Phils and THAT IS WHY WE GO THERE. I would rather have a bare handjob than vaginal penetration with a condom. That's me. SNIP That's why I will continue to return to the Phils.Me also. Let me speak to that. For that option, you would expect to pay more (for those that want it, no different than a gent who wants anal or CIM). If you were willing to pay p3000 (2000 b) to a Patts gal who insisted on a condom, you'd gladly pay more for a gal (say, pinay) who didn't. Or the trade-off is the condom Thai gal is prettier, and worth the same as a pinay who is less pretty but does CIP.
* Let me re-suggest something that is already up and running in AC (and Burgos). The TIP, discussed in advance. You think the Koreans don't do that? Famously they toss around big tips in addition to the barfine, regardless of whether or not they sex a girl (hence its already up / running in AC). What would be the harm in offering your prospective gogo cutie an extra 1000 (substitute your own value) if she agreed to your list of deeds (ie, number of pops, departure time in the morning). Your barfine increases from 5 k to 6 k, still 40% less than a Burgos gal (for the same service). A loss for you and a win for the girl? Or a win-win? Food 4 thought. Who's the femboy here -- the Korean? Us?
WalkAboutBoyz
04-24-23, 15:48
It is true about Koreans going to bar fine very early and on the weekend there may be no decent ones by the evening. Go earlier, agree an all day / night barfine and tip and I'm sure you'll do fine.Great advice! Thank you.
I've read the reports that the best looking girls start dayshift at 10 am and all the Koreans scoop them up. I'm planning to be at the bars at 9:59! Are there any other times of the day anyone can recommend for popular shift starts for the girls? Admittedly, I used to not even start my barhopping until 8 pm but I know that will lead me to failure these days. I guess I'm going to have to be a day drinker now.
My flight arrives at midnight tomorrow and I'll be damned if I'm sleeping alone on my first night, I guess I'm going to have to settle for severe left overs in quality! Oh well. Dollhouse and Atlantis used to be my go-to back in the day. Can anyone recommend my best bet bar to hit up at midnight when I arrive?
Talking to my friends who have visited MX and Colombia and Thailand, condoms are required.FWIW, my experience from Thailand (2021) was that massage parlor girls require condoms whereas young freelancers never do.
Great advice! Thank you.
I've read the reports that the best looking girls start dayshift at 10 am and all the Koreans scoop them up. I'm planning to be at the bars at 9:59! Are there any other times of the day anyone can recommend for popular shift starts for the girls? Admittedly, I used to not even start my barhopping until 8 pm but I know that will lead me to failure these days. I guess I'm going to have to be a day drinker now.Sounds like me when I first arrive back in town: a bull in a China shop, chasing all the hottest girls, taking a couple of days to remember that the K girls are the most obnoxious and poorest performing girls imaginable, then settling in to have a great time with the less stunning but much more fun girls.
Enjoy. G.
Transporter
04-25-23, 00:41
I've read the reports that the best looking girls start dayshift at 10 am and all the Koreans scoop them up. I'm planning to be at the bars at 9:59!
I used to not even start my barhopping until 8 pm but I know that will lead me to failure these days. I guess I'm going to have to be a day drinker now.
My flight arrives at midnight tomorrow and I'll be damned if I'm sleeping alone on my first night, I guess I'm going to have to settle for severe left overs in quality! Oh well."best looking" is relative/personal. Kind of got to remember they are on filipino time. Even if they start at 10 they are busy putting on make up, getting dressed, and socializing on their phone. The ones up and in the shute at 10 are the ones that don't get much play. But if this is really your play, then you can just catch them as they are walking into the bar (just have to remember some bars have back / side entrance).
You don't necessarily have to change your MO, there are plenty to go around (maybe thurs-sat you might want to adjust). Also they work around 10 hours shifts (variance in bar to bar). So if they start at 10 done at 8 start at 11 done at 9 and so on. You can get these girls after there shift without the bar fine. If you are an ST guy, then it opens up a whole nother market. If an ST girl gets barfined, they will be back in the bar later. I went to 3 bars last night (keep in mind this was Monday evening so the girls that don't need the cash will opt out). I chatted with some servers, and they said a lot of girls did not come to work tonight. That being said the 3 bars I went to were genesis, carousel, and 123. In genesis there were 2 black shifts with 30-40 in each shift and a red shift maybe 8 girls. This was at 1930 and the average (guys come in and out) number of customers was 7. 8 at any given time. For those that like those spinners I took notice of that also, basically it was about 60/40 below and above 50 kg (numbers slightly skewed because the dance crew are bigger girls). At carousels there were only about 20 girls (not sure if I saw them all) can't exactly remember the exact time I walked in as its a bit of a blur, I saw 2 shifts but there may have been more. There were about 12 customers, and the baboy ratio was 80/20; below 50/ above 50 kg. The last bar I walked into before grabbing some swarma and calling it a night was 123 and there were only about 2 customers on average at any given time. There were a dozen girls that I saw on stage, but there may have been more as they were walking in and out and roaming. Baboy ratio was about 75/25.
Bottom line I would have no problem pulling the trigger with 30% of all the girls on stage cumulatively.
"best looking" is relative/personal. Kind of got to remember they are on filipino time. Even if they start at 10 they are busy putting on make up, getting dressed, and socializing on their phone. The ones up and in the shute at 10 are the ones that don't get much play. But if this is really your play, then you can just catch them as they are walking into the bar (just have to remember some bars have back / side entrance)...If Boyz wants to party with a hottie all night and into to the early hours, then hoping to grab her at 10 am and then keep her all night, possibly into the next day is a big ask:
1/. She will miss out on an entire day / night's drinks and dancing commissions. No hotty is going to agree to this as it's the bulk of her paycheck.
2/. Many morning shift girls work these hours so that they can get back to kids, family or other commitments. Don't be surprised if agrees to leave early but stipulates that she needs to be out the door by 3 pm.
3/. The hottest girls work when there are the most customers and therefore highest commissions (see 1/ above). This is why, generally speaking, the hottest girls are working early evening to closing time.
If Boyz wants to party hard all night, best to get a girl closer to that time. If he wants a morning plaything, then just get WhatsApp numbers off the hot girls and get them to drop around before work. If he wants to get rid of morning wood ie real early, just keep a girl long time overnight. Good luck raising the dead and getting a new girl up, dressed and in your room before 11. It just ain't happening. Most are barely waking up by 4 pm.
Enjoy. G.
I should have added that civilians are the total opposite: up early to get shit done during the day. Many are happy to meet before their midday duties.
Boyz is not going to find them in the bar or on the street though. Online or face to face is best so I'm not sure if he has the time or inclination for those.
G.
It's funny how people think they can't compete with little femboy Koreans and call them young and handsome even though 90% of the ones I've seen are all chubby and 45+ too. But think they'll do fine when there's thousands of fit young soldiers in their 20's to compete with. Good luck.They'll need half their paycheck, it will always be "follow the money".
FuriousGeorge
04-25-23, 11:18
I've been with enough hot girls in my life. Like legit LA 10s. Funny story. About 10 years ago I was dating a 10. White euro chick. Dated for about a year. Tall, thin, beautiful. Told me I was not allowed to have sex with anyone else. I'm like ok. Um sure. Was I true to my word? Well mostly. It ran its course and ended on good terms. She appeared to have no job but had tons of money. I got suspicious. I was browsing The Erotic Review one day and I came upon her reviews (she has a website). I was surprised to learn that she was a high class hooker (over 1 k USD a session) during the time we were dating and still to this day (she has since moved to Vegas). Part of me was pissed but part of me was like Yo Bro you got this for free and bare while all these other dudes were paying a premium and had to use condoms.
Point being. I'd rather be with a 7 bare than a 10 with a condom. Again, that's me. Maybe it's because I've been there, done that.
Life is full of trade-offs.
Me also. Let me speak to that. For that option, you would expect to pay more (for those that want it, no different than a gent who wants anal or CIM). If you were willing to pay p3000 (2000 b) to a Patts gal who insisted on a condom, you'd gladly pay more for a gal (say, pinay) who didn't. Or the trade-off is the condom Thai gal is prettier, and worth the same as a pinay who is less pretty but does CIP.
WalkAboutBoyz
04-25-23, 12:25
in genesis there were 2 black shifts with 30-40 in each shift and a red shift maybe 8 girls. I'm going to have to get used to these black / red shifts and ST / LT. I assume red shift are the better ones? Why can't it still be long shift for every girl and 1,500 for a barfine like it used to be? Anyone remember rhapsody bar? That barfine used to be 1200!
3/. The hottest girls work when there are the most customers and therefore highest commissions (see 1/ above). This is why, generally speaking, the hottest girls are working early evening to closing time.Excellent point, I think I should stick to my MO and look for the evening girls. I'm only there for a week so I'm not looking to save money, I want to try and re-live my glory days before the reality of getting older crashes down on me haha. I'm paying around $150 here in Korea just to get a quicky with a 35 year old ajuma after a massage so I don't care at all to spend whatever for a sexy 20 year old to spend the night. Korea also is 10000% worse than 15 years ago but don't get me started on that. I'll save it for another forum.
So is 6 pm a good start time to go out in your opinion?
Also, I'm aware that high society is gone so what's the new club now? Its a shame because I used to get along well with a few of the owners there and they would hook me up with VIP sections. I also remember skytrax used to be fun until it became 100% Korean sometime around 2013. Is there anything they don't ruin?
DzikaBomba
04-25-23, 15:13
I'm paying around $150 here in Korea just to get a quicky with a 35 year old ajuma after a massage so I don't care at all to spend whatever for a sexy 20 year old to spend the night.
How about Costa Rica? You can pay 150 $ ST there. You will like it.
Is there anything they don't ruin?Costa Rica.
Americans we're there first and destroyed the market like in many other places in south America and the caribic.
No need for Koreans.
PeteAppleSeed
04-25-23, 16:35
I know you can only stick your deek in one at a time, but how many have you had in your room / bed at the same time.
Like switching from one to the other, to the other, etc? Or maybe one riding you and another sitting on your face. You get the point.
Thanks. I'm planning my trip and deciding where to go.
Gianni Versace
04-25-23, 19:20
Has anyone here and any luck with the girls on fb in the Philippines? I have had good luck with girls on FB in the past in Colombia and was wondering if anyone here had a positive experience. If so PM me please. TIA.
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