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Has anyone here and any luck with the girls on fb in the Philippines? I have had good luck with girls on FB in the past in Colombia and was wondering if anyone here had a positive experience. If so PM me please. TIA.Try searching for "walkers". But they're going to overcharge you if you don't write back in tagalog or visaya or whatever the local dialect is.
Has anyone here and any luck with the girls on fb in the Philippines? I have had good luck with girls on FB in the past in Colombia and was wondering if anyone here had a positive experience. If so PM me please. TIA.Facebook Groups suck. Full of old burnt out hookers overcharging the unsuspecting.
FB Messenger is widely used by everyone from good girls up. An excellent path to friends of friends of friends.
So is 6 pm a good start time to go out in your opinion?
Also, I'm aware that high society is gone so what's the new club now?6 pm is a nomansland. The Koreans have already done their sweep but the short timers haven't returned yet and any westerner friendly looker will want to get in a ST then return to the bar for a second bite, not stay all night and party. Try 9 pm.
HiSo is now Gold's Bar, apparently a regular K focused Gogo. Try Mega Dance Club on Walking St or Aqua Bar atop ABC.
Enjoy. G.
She appeared to have no job but had tons of money. I got suspicious. I was browsing The Erotic Review one day and I came upon her reviews (she has a website). I was surprised to learn that she was a high class hooker (over 1 k USD a session) during the time we were dating and still to this day (she has since moved to Vegas). Part of me was pissed but part of me was like Yo Bro you got this for free and bare while all these other dudes were paying a premium and had to use condoms.Expect two replies to admission like this:
1/. You were a fool and a sucker for falling for a hooker and dating someone getting fucked by a zillion other guys.
2/. Those speaking from experience know that hookers make great girlfriends. 🤙.
Enjoy. G.
I know you can only stick your deek in one at a time, but how many have you had in your room / bed at the same time.
Like switching from one to the other, to the other, etc? Or maybe one riding you and another sitting on your face. You get the point.
Thanks. I'm planning my trip and deciding where to go.How many times are you going to ask the same question? You have received everyone's replies already.
Let us know what number you want to hear and we will confirm it. Maybe then the Q's will change.
Enjoy. G.
Mr Enternational
04-25-23, 22:12
Expect two replies to admission like this:
1/. You were a fool and a sucker for falling for a hooker and dating someone getting fucked by a zillion other guys.
2/. Those speaking from experience know that hookers make great girlfriends. 🤙.I would put 2 qualifiers on it. If you are like me.
And do not care if she fucks other guys and if you are like he was and do not have to pay, then you could be in for a good thing.
So is 6 pm a good start time to go out in your opinion?
Also, I'm aware that high society is gone so what's the new club now? Its a shame because I used to get along well with a few of the owners there and they would hook me up with VIP sections. I also remember skytrax used to be fun until it became 100% Korean sometime around 2013. Is there anything they don't ruin?Earlier for finding a hot girl for the whole day / night. Again this will depend on what you can offer her. Most prefer ST because they can earn more. Maybe offer her a tip that covers at least half of another ST? Maybe she'll take it for the easier night. If she's more hardcore you'll probably have to cover whatever she thinks she can earn.
Clubs depend on if you've got the girl already then I'd rank them in this order.
With girl.
Aqua.
Mega.
Hammer.
Eclipse (I think the old hiso owner owns this now).
Looking for a girl.
Mega.
Hammer.
Aqua.
Eclipse (I've heard it hasn't picked up yet).
Expect two replies to admission like this:
1/. You were a fool and a sucker for falling for a hooker and dating someone getting fucked by a zillion other guys.
2/. Those speaking from experience know that hookers make great girlfriends. 🤙.
Enjoy. G.I should have put an "or" between the two options ie from those that know and those that don't know what it's like to date a hooker. 😁
How many times are you going to ask the same question? You have received everyone's replies already.
Let us know what number you want to hear and we will confirm it. Maybe then the Q's will change.
Enjoy. G.Perhaps the ol chap has alzheimers or some other memory problem. Or maybe this is how he gets his jollies. I dunno. Anyway, G, I will be in Angeles May 19 -23. Are you there then? Cheers.
PeteAppleSeed
04-27-23, 15:44
Perhaps the ol chap has alzheimers or some other memory problem. Or maybe this is how he gets his jollies. I dunno. Anyway, G, I will be in Angeles May 19 -23. Are you there then? Cheers.I'll be there from mid August to mid September, Angeles and Pattaya.
Grabbed a trike and headed towards WS, got a good 3/4 there then the traffic was just stopped. Hopped out and started walking. Went into one of those bars before WS called Insomnia. Was packed full of cute girls on a late visit where I saw this one cute girl who came and sat on my friends lap. Wanted to go back and check her out, saw her right before I left. The beer goggles must have been working pretty good the first night. Absolutely no ass and not as cute as I remembered. I remember the girl saying the barfine was 3200 the last time we were there, there were a few decent looking girls. Never know what gems you might find. Wasn't worth sticking around so made a short walk to WS.
Made my way to Kokomos and ordered a few beers and some food. Lots of people walking up and down, not as many girls being led away by Koreans as their normally is. Took me a second but when I glanced into the street looking at people walking by I realized there were no trikes waiting in line. Then I glance again a few minutes later and they are all back, must be a time when they are allowed to line up now? After that I swung into Scooters next door, bar full of girls. They really have a few hidden jems in here, would have easy grabbed a couple of them. A foreigner was sitting on the bar and must have bought ladydrinks for 4 of the girls onstage, as they were dancing I saw a few bend down and drink some drinks. They then got off stage and all stood around the guy. So I'm sitting there watching the girls dancing when two Korean guys come in and sit next to me and get their drinks. They sat there for a few minutes when a seat on the opposite side of where I was sitting opens up and as one they both stood up and moved to that seat. But the oddest thing was they both left their drinks on the other table like they both expected the wait staff to bring them over. One waitress grabbed one drink and the bill and brought it over then made a move to put a tissue under that drink which left the other guys drink sitting across the room. Man he was staring down that drink like it wasn't being brought over fast enough. Never in my life have I seen two guys in a bar in Asia do this. You want to move to another seat the routine is you gather up your drink and walk to the other seat. Maybe this is looking down on Filipinos as below them. Wonder if they do the same in Korea.
Made my way over to Lucifers to meet a friend and in tern many of his buddies who live in Angeles. These guys come from all walks of life, guessing because its easier to get the necessary visas here compared to say Thailand. Only been in Lucifiers once or twice, they do have some cute girls but by 10 pm on a Saturday so so many have already been barfined. Doesn't help that their beer prices are 40 pesos higher than the surrounding bars. Around midnight the remaining group headed over to Viking bar and again many many of the girls were gone already leaving just a dozen or so girls and the ladyboys they allow to work in there. I ended up barfining one of the remaining girls who I had bought drinks for months ago, she kept giving me looks. First thing she does is start to play with little breadman under the table. Said to me she hadn't been barfined in 2 weeks so I'm guessing that's why the looks. I'm betting she was barely 4'10", little baby fat from having a baby just over a year ago. Grabbed a trike and headed back to my apartment to end the night. Or so I thought. Had my fun in the bed, very nice little body she had and I assumed she'd want to sleep after that but she cleans up and starts getting dressed. Its now after 3 am and I live on a darkish side street and she thinks she'll just walk out and find a trike like that. Couldn't let her walk by herself so I walked her up to where the trikes normally sit. To find none. So another short walk to the main street where other trikes sit. To find none. Luckily two came around the corner so she could get back to the bar or wherever it is she sleeps.
All in all a normal Saturday in Angeles, somewhat devoid of girls with all of the guys grabbing them up. Normally just a night to go out and drink a few beers. If your looking for hot talent then its best to hunt in the early afternoon.
NapaSlapper
04-30-23, 10:33
It's not such a crazy idea. US Military presence is starting to make a comeback in Luzon. If Western mongers vote with their feet I can see Subic as an alternative to Angeles. Smaller but more Western friendly.
I was trying to warn everyone about AC last summer so it's gratifying to see all these reports confirming my take-away. I wonder what is animating these die-hard AC Boosters other than sheer stubbornness and male reactive tendencies? It's so much easier to get laid in Thailand- not even a contest. No way in hell I'd ever go back to AC other than out of morbid curiosity on my way through Luzon.Many, many members have been reporting the demise of angeles city as a mongering destination for the last few years, especially from the time our korean friends started to visit angeles and take over the town.
I think the devide between those westerners that visit angeles and have a good time and those that don't comes down to the obvious fact that some mongers have great taste in women and higher standards and some guys will fuck anything with a pulse as long as their getting laid, and adding more notches to the bed post.
It is what it is, many claim online I only fuck young stunners, my girls all stay long time, all my girls are porn stars in bed, I pay less than everyone else for my girls etc, its human nature for men to boast, who in their right mind would openly admit they can only attract the lowest kind of old fatties to their bed even by paying handsomely and travelling half way around the world.
Best advice, make a recent visit, look at what type of women the westerners are sitting next to in the bars, what type of women they have on their arm after a night out, what type of woman they are having breakfast with in the morning, I think most would be shocked at how far some are willing to lower the bar to in order to get laid.
WestCoast1
04-30-23, 14:48
I'll be there from mid August to mid September, Angeles and Pattaya.PAS: Hoping you can pick up the pace for me when you are in town. I slow down as I age. So many PYT's. Get in there fella, there's no wrong way to vax or booster (seen here above and below treatment options).
Mr Enternational
04-30-23, 15:29
Best advice, make a recent visit, look at what type of women the westerners are sitting next to in the bars, what type of women they have on their arm after a night out, what type of woman they are having breakfast with in the morning, I think most would be shocked at how far some are willing to lower the bar to in order to get laid.Why? I am only interested in the women that I want. I do not care what other people are doing whether they are locals, Koreans, or Westerners. Do you also go to restaurants and look on everybody else's table to see what they decided to eat? And when you see they did not choose the same meal that you did, then what? Will you be up for some type of award or increased money to your bank account? To each their own.
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If your looking for hot talent then its best to hunt in the early afternoon.Good to know. I am not a late night guy anyway. Sometime you get lucky early morning, too. I mean, I have. Something for the morning wood haha. Cheers.
WestCoast1
05-01-23, 03:54
If your looking for hot talent then its best to hunt in the early afternoon.
Good to know. I am not a late night guy anyway. Sometime you get lucky early morning, too. I mean, I have. Something for the morning wood haha. Cheers.This would jibe with my experience late last year there. The number of gents (and people in general), on all of WS over to Teodoro St, the foot traffic was picking up in the late afternoon, maxxed in the 6-8 pm range, and was paltry by 10-11 pm. I believe I posted pics of a nearly empty WS, from both ends, about 11 pm, and on a weekend. Can't say it is the same now, but it appears from reports here that early evening is the draw for the most GRO. Get busy and hit something.
NapaSlapper
05-02-23, 08:55
Why? I am only interested in the women that I want. I do not care what other people are doing whether they are locals, Koreans, or Westerners. Do you also go to restaurants and look on everybody else's table to see what they decided to eat? And when you see they did not choose the same meal that you did, then what? Will you be up for some type of award or increased money to your bank account? To each their own.I think you will find that even if one is a little bit fussy in women choice then what the koreans and other asians are doing plays a very big part in what you and other westerners can get laid by, why, because as said by almost everyone the koreans are the girls no1 choice by a long long way.
Again, as far as looking at other guys meals in restaurants of course I and many others do this just last week I walked into a restaurant I had not been into in years, on being shown to our seats I looked at another guests Tbone steak with all the trimmings and went right ahead and told the waitress ill have what that guy over there has ordered, it looks delicious, again many guys in passing or taking a nearby seat have asked me what's that your eating, I think ill have the same.
NapaSlapper
05-02-23, 09:34
Thank you Professor once again for the academics.
As they say those that do, do.
Those that dont, teach.Its funny how some make a trip once every few years for a couple of days / hours and then spend the rest of their time trying to correct those of us that live, work and are out most nights in angeles, no I'm no expert, but I'm here, I'm out and I'm reporting on exactly what I see on the town which is exactly the whole point of this board.
Now lets see what's happening on the town for those that are home watching reruns of trike patrol and youtube videos and playing the online experts.
Many girls have not returned to the bars after their trips home for easter which was some weeks ago, will they return, who knows, many western bars are very quiet indeed with many completely empty on many visits, its amazing how some owners keep the lights on in many bars, maybe digging deep into their own pockets to pay the bills till they can sell out to the koreans who seem to be the only guys buying bars or any kind of other business in angeles.
2 or 3 of the korean orientated bars seem to be busy in the evenings with bums on seats and guys spending large on the girls in the bar, of course the silver vans are scooping up the better looking girls for the koreans who want dine in pussy, I'm told by many korean bar owners and managers that the vans are getting more popular by the day.
Drink sluts, korean only girls, cherrie girls are of course still alive and well in most bars visited over the last few days.
NapaSlapper
05-04-23, 11:01
Whats happening in angeles city for those that are not here.
Had some severe storms and heavy rain over the weekend, think it was Saturday evening when the heavens opened up, obviously bar hopping in such conditions are not much fun.
The town during the week is almost dead for visiting punters, few older expats out in their normal haunts of geckos bar and lollipop bar but that's it, most other western bars are dead for punters with very few girls in the bars.
Weekends tends to pick up a bit but only in number of asian punter in korean orientated bars, western bars quiet.
Last few barhops popped our heads into, paro paro bar, shooters bar, geckos bar, la bamba bar, lollipop bar, mostly only stayed for the 1 drink for ourselves with none of us buying any lady drinks as girl choice was poor to say the least.
Punters drink prices are around the 120 peso to 180 peso mark for local beer, ask for imported beer or top shelf shorts and the price goes up sharply, girl drinks (normally juice) in many bars is 300 peso with some bars that have a few lookers demanding 350 pesos for girl drinks.
Best deal on local beer prices on walking street was at high quality bar where they have a 90 peso beer price for punters between 9 pm and 2 am I think, the girl drinks though are 300 peso all night, its an ok bar, few girls on stage but no real lookers.
Due to low numbers hammer disco and some of the others are closed during the week, open on Saturday nights for sure but not sure about Fridays as did not try to visit then, quite busy on Saturdays but mainly bring your own girls.
Q bar, avalon bar, sky bar and bar atlantis all had a few younger slim lookers, obviously if one is not asian and throwing money around big time then the girls pay no attention, couple of my young japanese clients I was bar hopping with over the weekend had good luck with a couple of very reasonable looking girls from qbar (not stunners but best of the night), at first they would not barfine but after many drinks bought for them and a food and beer party promised back at abc hotel the girls agreed.
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WalkAboutBoyz
05-05-23, 09:17
Just returned from a 1 week visit, my first time back since 2016. I should note between 2009-2016 I made about 30 visits and also note that I am a 39 year old white retired army, decent shape, average looks at best but not disgusting. With all that said, I must say, Angeles is not as bad as some are making it seem! Yes the prices have gone up to 3500-5000 per barfine, yes there are Koreans there but they are all out during the day, not at night and I never felt like they were getting any special attention I wasn't. It's also true there are like half the girls that were there 10 years ago and half the bars but I had no problem finding a girl I liked every night. I guess it all depends what you like. The Korean guys like the super shy, super inexperienced and young girls who do what they say and moan at a 3 inch cock. If you like that type of girl, then you have to go out during the day because those girls like Koreans and then yes, you will not be their first choice. I went out at 5 pm one day because I was in the mood for this type of girl and when I tried to barfine one, she was super scared and made me promise her I didn't have a big dick. Oh and the sex was terrible, she was in pain and just layed there almost crying (and I was ridiculously slow and easy).
I like the fun girls, the ones that like to joke and party. These girls are not going with Korean guys and they don't start their shift until 6 or 7 pm. I'd barfine a couple every night then bring them to megadance and have fun all night. I never felt I was settling on quality. Definately not as many to choose from than years ago but still not a problem to find one.
In summation, yes if you knew Angeles 10 years ago or more and trying to compare then you feel sour. But Angeles is still far better than anything you will find back in the states and I think still worth it for sure! Oh and I was never once asked short time or long time but any of the 11 girls I had last week. All were long time like usual. Maybe that's just a daytime girl thing? (Ie- Korean loving girl thing).
Also I can confirm that megadance and hammer are open at least on wed, Thurs weekdays, though they close at 4 am. I went there on those days. It was also odd to see Atlantis and dollhouse closed on Monday night. I know mondays were typically slow but they were always open in the past.
NapaSlapper
05-05-23, 10:46
Just returned from a 1 week visit, my first time back since 2016. I should note between 2009-2016 I made about 30 visits and also note that I am a 39 year old white retired army, decent shape, average looks at best but not disgusting. With all that said, I must say, Angeles is not as bad as some are making it seem! Yes the prices have gone up to 3500-5000 per barfine, yes there are Koreans there but they are all out during the day, not at night and I never felt like they were getting any special attention I wasn't. It's also true there are like half the girls that were there 10 years ago and half the bars but I had no problem finding a girl I liked every night. I guess it all depends what you like. The Korean guys like the super shy, super inexperienced and young girls who do what they say and moan at a 3 inch cock. If you like that type of girl, then you have to go out during the day because those girls like Koreans and then yes, you will not be their first choice. I went out at 5 pm one day because I was in the mood for this type of girl and when I tried to barfine one, she was super scared and made me promise her I didn't have a big dick. Oh and the sex was terrible, she was in pain and just layed there almost crying (and I was ridiculously slow and easy).
I like the fun girls, the ones that like to joke and party. These girls are not going with Korean guys and they don't start their shift until 6 or 7 pm. I'd barfine a couple every night then bring them to megadance and have fun all night. I never felt I was settling on quality. Definately not as many to choose from than years ago but still not a problem to find one.
In summation, yes if you knew Angeles 10 years ago or more and trying to compare then you feel sour. But Angeles is still far better than anything you will find back in the states and I think still worth it for sure! Oh and I was never once asked short time or long time but any of the 11 girls I had last week. All were long time like usual. Maybe that's just a daytime girl thing? (Ie- Korean loving girl thing).
Also I can confirm that megadance and hammer are open at least on wed, Thurs weekdays, though they close at 4 am. I went there on those days. It was also odd to see Atlantis and dollhouse closed on Monday night. I know mondays were typically slow but they were always open in the past.Thank you for your report.
I think you will find that hammer night club will start closing during the week as from last Saturday, confirmed by security and management, before then open most days, the change from last weekend in opening times going forward is why I reported on it in my last post in order to keep the board up to date.
Find that many asians are out in the bars both day and night, qbar, avalon bar, atlantis bar, were all busy with asians as their only customers between 8-11 pm most weekend nights, maybe you did not visit these bars at weekend during these times.
Atlantis bar and dollhouse bar have been closed on mondays for some months now.
Have to fully agree with you that dependent on how high one sets the girl bar directly affects how much attention and fun one has and definately agree that angeles of yester year was a totally different place.
Again thanks for taking the time to let us know your thoughts, happy mongering.
Whats happening in angeles city for those that are not here.
Had some severe storms and heavy rain over the weekend, think it was Saturday evening when the heavens opened up, obviously bar hopping in such conditions are not much fun.
The town during the week is almost dead for visiting punters, few older expats out in their normal haunts of geckos bar and lollipop bar but that's it, most other western bars are dead for punters with very few girls in the bars.
Weekends tends to pick up a bit but only in number of asian punter in korean orientated bars, western bars quiet.
Last few barhops popped our heads into, paro paro bar, shooters bar, geckos bar, la bamba bar, lollipop bar, mostly only stayed for the 1 drink for ourselves with none of us buying any lady drinks as girl choice was poor to say the least.
Punters drink prices are around the 120 peso to 180 peso mark for local beer, ask for imported beer or top shelf shorts and the price goes up sharply, girl drinks (normally juice) in many bars is 300 peso with some bars that have a few lookers demanding 350 pesos for girl drinks.
Best deal on local beer prices on walking street was at high quality bar where they have a 90 peso beer price for punters between 9 pm and 2 am I think, the girl drinks though are 300 peso all night, its an ok bar, few girls on stage but no real lookers.
Due to low numbers hammer disco and some of the others are closed during the week, open on Saturday nights for sure but not sure about Fridays as did not try to visit then, quite busy on Saturdays but mainly bring your own girls.
Q bar, avalon bar, sky bar and bar atlantis all had a few younger slim lookers, obviously if one is not asian and throwing money around big time then the girls pay no attention, couple of my young japanese clients I was bar hopping with over the weekend had good luck with a couple of very reasonable looking girls from qbar (not stunners but best of the night), at first they would not barfine but after many drinks bought for them and a food and beer party promised back at abc hotel the girls agreed.If you know, you know.
Hey there!
Lately, I've been reading comments that the Walking Street is not very lively, with lots of bars closed during the week and not many girls around. I've also seen some YouTube videos that visually confirm this.
My question is, what's the deal going to be like in July? Is it low season? The days I'll be there are during the week, LOL. (At least the latest report from WalkAboutBoyz gives me some hope, I was feeling down).
NapaSlapper
05-05-23, 16:05
Hey there!
Lately, I've been reading comments that the Walking Street is not very lively, with lots of bars closed during the week and not many girls around. I've also seen some YouTube videos that visually confirm this.
My question is, what's the deal going to be like in July? Is it low season? The days I'll be there are during the week, LOL. (At least the latest report from WalkAboutBoyz gives me some hope, I was feeling down).While the number of bars and girls in Angeles is much lower than a few years ago the ones that did open up after covid still have the lights on and are open for business, yes July is low season but there should be enough open to be entertained.
The places that have closed during the week are not the girly bars but the disco clubs.
If one has already made plans to visit and has paid for tickets and accommodation already then why not give the place a chance, one might have to lower ones girl expectations by some way but I'm sure one can still get laid if persistent.
Good luck and let us know how you found your trip.
Hey there!
Lately, I've been reading comments that the Walking Street is not very lively, with lots of bars closed during the week and not many girls around. I've also seen some YouTube videos that visually confirm this.
My question is, what's the deal going to be like in July? Is it low season? The days I'll be there are during the week, LOL. (At least the latest report from WalkAboutBoyz gives me some hope, I was feeling down).There is a bit of a battle on the board now between some strong personalities with 180 opposite views. I'd suggest you read back to reviews from guys who are / were actually in town barfining or hooking up in other ways.
The general consensus is somewhere in the middle: if you are in town for a good time, then you will find it; if you want to moan about how good it was 30 yrs ago and expect to be handed entertainment on a plate, then you may not enjoy it.
Of course, the ultimate test is to just go, stay if you like it or move on if you don't. Barfines are certainly not the only way to get laid in AC and AC is certainly not the only place to get laid in the Philippines.
Enjoy. G.
While the number of bars and girls in Angeles is much lower than a few years ago the ones that did open up after covid still have the lights on and are open for business, yes July is low season but there should be enough open to be entertained.
The places that have closed during the week are not the girly bars but the disco clubs.
If one has already made plans to visit and has paid for tickets and accommodation already then why not give the place a chance, one might have to lower ones girl expectations by some way but I'm sure one can still get laid if persistent.
Good luck and let us know how you found your trip.Thanks for your answer. I'll give Angeles City a try, knowing myself, I'm sure I'll find girls I like every day, hahaha. A friend of mine who wants to come is a bit pickier and not very convinced. He says there seem to be more pretty girls in Cebu, is that true?
Of course I will write my reports to try to help people in the forum.
There is a bit of a battle on the board now between some strong personalities with 180 opposite views. I'd suggest you read back to reviews from guys who are / were actually in town barfining or hooking up in other ways.
The general consensus is somewhere in the middle: if you are in town for a good time, then you will find it; if you want to moan about how good it was 30 yrs ago and expect to be handed entertainment on a plate, then you may not enjoy it.
Of course, the ultimate test is to just go, stay if you like it or move on if you don't. Barfines are certainly not the only way to get laid in AC and AC is certainly not the only place to get laid in the Philippines.
Enjoy. G.Thanks for responding.
Yeah, I've been reading the forum for the past few days and it seems like there are two distinct groups. (in my country, I belong to a forum where the same thing happens, but with Pattaya. Some saying that it's not what it used to be, and others saying that it's still very enjoyable. In both cases, everyone wants to go back and go there year after year. There must be something to it. Every time I've gone, I've had a great time.)
This will be my first time going to Angeles City and I suppose I'll have a good time, with the girls and meeting interesting people.
Cheers!
WestCoast1
05-06-23, 00:08
Thanks for your answer. I'll give Angeles City a try, knowing myself, I'm sure I'll find girls I like every day, hahaha. A friend of mine who wants to come is a bit pickier and not very convinced. He says there seem to be more pretty girls in Cebu, is that true?
Cheers!Difficult comparison to make, AC and Cebu. AC is mostly a gogo bar town. Cebu has only a small handful of gogos on Gen Maxillom St. Mongering in Cebu is a combo of those bars, SW, and FL. Cebuanas typically come from the area, and AC gogo girls are a collection of provincial gals from many islands.
NapaSlapper
05-06-23, 02:09
Reply to member gorrion.
Angeles and cebu are total opposites when it comes to meeting girls because as member westy quite rightly points out that angeles is mainly a girly bar town with nothing else to do, cebu on the other hand is a massive city but few bars, cebu once had 20 odd girlie bars spread out over the city but now I understand that number is down to a handful, there are many online girls but of course many post photoshopped photos so can take some time to get the right girl to visit.
Where cebu excells is that I find the general population of cebu girls to be taller, lighter skinned and much prettier in general, no not the bargirls but the general girls working in the malls, markets etc, if one has time on their hands and a bit of youth and game then probably no need to be fucking pros in cebu.
If only in phills for a few days then angeles has some bars, the western bars, low quality girls but will mostly barfine, korean bars better quality, younger and thinner girls but of course one will be competing with the high spending asians for some girl attention and we know who always wins there.
In summing up, cebu definately if one has time, also many places to visit, islands, waterfalls, diving, history etc, angeles if one is short on time and does not mind the competition for the very few girls of quality, hope that helps.
A friend of mine who wants to come is a bit pickier and not very convinced. He says there seem to be more pretty girls in Cebu, is that true?Your friend is correct. Do the math:
1/. There are many, many more foreigner friendly girls in Cebu than Walking Street. Cebu simply has a larger population. A LOT larger.
2/. Some / many hot girls in AC are Korean or drinks only and will not be going home with a white guy under any circumstance. I haven't found this in Cebu. My experience has been that any Cebu girl happy to date a foreign guy doesn't care if that foreigner is white, yellow, brown or green.
2/. The typical source of AC working girls is poor, destitute, single moms not the thousands of regular girls who flood into Cebu looking for quality schools or jobs.
3/. AC feed stock generally comes from Lyete or Samar (think Isaan and Pattaya). Great if you prefer spinner body types but no so good if you are looking for tall and slim or buxom girls. Poverty and poor nutrition exaggerates this. True cebuana I find to be the whole range from 5'0" and homely to tall and slim. However, to these you add all the other imported ethnicities. The Philippines is an archipelago where different areas produce girls with strikingly different features. Porcelain white skinned girls, tall and stacked, honey brown skinned, huge jugs on a tiny frame: whatever you prefer, seek and ye shall find!
Here is the rebuttal and it's a big one: walk into AC and, if you aren't too fussy, you can be getting laid within minutes of arrival; Cebu is a huge city but it's not point and shoot. It does have a settling in period for newbies to find their feet and make things happen. I've had several guys complain that this period is too long and took up most of their stay. For those prepared to wait, there are rewards. However, it does take time.
In summary (sorry about the long post): in town for a few days, not super fussy and want point and shoot, then go to AC and have a blast; have some extra time, looking for better quality and looking girls and prepared to put in some ground work, then bypass AC and go to Cebu.
I should also add that if your also looking for other things to do beyond getting laid 24/7, then Cebu wins hands down.
Enjoy. G.
.... angeles is mainly a girly bar town with nothing else to do, cebu on the other hand is a massive city but few bars, cebu once had 20 odd girlie bars spread out over the city but now I understand that number is down to a handful...Gorrion,
As much as we complain about AC girlie bars, Cebu bars truely suck: overpriced, lack of atmosphere, girls' minimum departure times, crazy conditions. And that's before you even get a her out of the bar for a sub par session.
Go for a look but don't plan a holiday around barfines. Napa is correct: online and in person is where Cebu shines.
Enjoy. G.
Thanks a lot everyone for the replies and all the info, really appreciate it.
I'll pass all the info to my friend, although he already booked a hotel for a few days in Angeles City on the same dates as me. He'll also be stopping by Cebu (he has more vacation days than me and wants to do some tourism in the area). I'll only be in Cebu for one night (due to an unexpected flight change by Cebu Pacific, which could be a whole other post), so I'll just check out Mango Square and see if I can find anything, or maybe try my luck online.
Thanks again everyone. Cheers!
WalkAboutBoyz
05-06-23, 09:02
The general consensus is somewhere in the middle: if you are in town for a good time, then you will find it; if you want to moan about how good it was 30 yrs ago and expect to be handed entertainment on a plate, then you may not enjoy it.G, I couldn't have said it better! It's all about your perception. Go and have a good time, don't try and compare and don't try and squeeze every penny. If you are going for a week or two, then let loose! If you are wondering if it's bad let me put it this way; I do know what it was like 15 years ago and after I just went back last week, I immediately took another vacation and will go again next week. Enough said. Here are a few tips I learned as well to make it more enjoyable:
-5 pm is the shift change for many bars, and yes, Koreans will be out in force at this time so if you want a shy, small, young, inexperienced girl, go out at this time. Some bars have a 6 pm shift change.
-6 pm or later is when you find the girls who in my opinion, are much more fun and actually enjoy sex and enjoy partying. I'd go barhopping around 7 pm and get a girl who I could party with all night and have fun with.
-8 or 9 pm, in my opinion most of the high quality girls are picked but you can still find some. Don't overlook waitresses. Hidden gems sometimes.
-mamason is your best friend! Often I will go to mamason and tell her something like, "I'm looking for a girl who doesn't just lay there during sex and is down for a 3 some tonight". No need to guess, mamason will know exactly which girl to get you.
Perhaps some of the people on this forum having a bad time are ones not being fun themselves?? Think about it, when you go into a bar are you calling the girl down with her arms crossed and looking away or are you calling the girl looking you in the eyes and smiling? When I am out, I am HAPPY! So I enter the bar all smiles, looking at all the girls and waving and smiling at them, I'm hugging the waitress, I'm trying to have fun and also be someone others can have fun with. Then when I call a girl I'm joking with her, smiling, making her smile. I mean, if anyone does this then there is no girl that doesn't want to go with you. But if you look all upset and call a girl and just sit there or have dry Convo, I mean, I don't blame her for not wanting you. Those complaining about the Korean guys let me tell you, these fuckers are boring as shit! They barely speak English and just sit there touching the girl all awkward. These guys are not my competition. Maybe that's why I'm never being asked to short time, the girls I'm bringing want to be with me all night, I make it fun.
I guess my point is, have fun and be fun and you will have NO trouble getting any girl you want. A smile goes a long way and every girl likes to feel special so make her feel special. This should be easy for those of you coming for short sprints like me. For those of you expats living there 24/7. I feel for you, hard to keep that kind of energy when you are there for a long time.
G, I couldn't have said it better! It's all about your perception. Go and have a good time, don't try and compare and don't try and squeeze every penny. If you are going for a week or two, then let loose! If you are wondering if it's bad let me put it this way; I do know what it was like 15 years ago and after I just went back last week, I immediately took another vacation and will go again next week. Enough said. Here are a few tips I learned as well to make it more enjoyable:
-5 pm is the shift change for many bars, and yes, Koreans will be out in force at this time so if you want a shy, small, young, inexperienced girl, go out at this time. Some bars have a 6 pm shift change.
-6 pm or later is when you find the girls who in my opinion, are much more fun and actually enjoy sex and enjoy partying. I'd go barhopping around 7 pm and get a girl who I could party with all night and have fun with.
-8 or 9 pm, in my opinion most of the high quality girls are picked but you can still find some. Don't overlook waitresses. Hidden gems sometimes.
-mamason is your best friend! Often I will go to mamason and tell her something like, "I'm looking for a girl who doesn't just lay there during sex and is down for a 3 some tonight". No need to guess, mamason will know exactly which girl to get you.In the world of different realities you have uncovered the Fountain of Youth in AC. Congratulations sir. It is certainly is what you make of it.
...Those complaining about the Korean guys let me tell you....These guys are not my competition. My sentiment exactly. I certainly don't regret any lost access to girls who, despite being very pretty, are known for their poor performance and entitled attitude. If someone else wants them, then they are welcome to them. It doesn't matter to me at all. Wherever I go, there are always more than enough girls to keep me happy.
My description is "why fight over defective goods?
I totally agree with your other point about making one's own fun. I think everyone knows guys who winge and complain about everywhere and others who enjoy themselves regardless of where they are.
Cheers. G.
Maybe I'm speaking out of my ass as a Philippines newb but I don't get why so many people say to avoid AC it's been ruined. I was there for a week for my first trip and yeah there's a huge Korean presence there but there were also still plenty of birds in the sea. Prices were great for me too. Much better value than makati. Why don't more people complain about makati being ruined instead? It's always AC.
Maybe I'm speaking out of my ass as a Philippines newb but I don't get why so many people say to avoid AC it's been ruined. I was there for a week for my first trip and yeah there's a huge Korean presence there but there were also still plenty of birds in the sea. Prices were great for me too. Much better value than makati. Why don't more people complain about makati being ruined instead? It's always AC.Experienced mongers refer back to the way it was. When you are a newbie, Angeles seems great compared to your current situation but it isn't so great compared to the way it was in the past. Makati has never been great in my opinion. Angeles has changed for the worse but it is still fun. As for myself, I tend to visit other cities in the PI and not Angeles City. Cebu is an interesting place to explore when you do online dating but it is not point and shoot like Angeles City.
I guess my point is, have fun and be fun and you will have NO trouble getting any girl you want. A smile goes a long way and every girl likes to feel special so make her feel special. This should be easy for those of you coming for short sprints like me. For those of you expats living there 24/7. I feel for you, hard to keep that kind of energy when you are there for a long time.Totally agree with you WalkAboutBoyz, and thank you very much for your reports and tips.
Thanks a lot everyone for the replies and all the info, really appreciate it.
I'll pass all the info to my friend, although he already booked a hotel for a few days in Angeles City on the same dates as me. He'll also be stopping by Cebu (he has more vacation days than me and wants to do some tourism in the area). I'll only be in Cebu for one night (due to an unexpected flight change by Cebu Pacific, which could be a whole other post), so I'll just check out Mango Square and see if I can find anything, or maybe try my luck online.
Thanks again everyone. Cheers!I received a PM about an important omission in my Cebu post. Namely that when girls refer to being from Cebu, it's important to determine early on if they are referring to Cebu City or Cebu province. If the province, she could be 6 or 8 hours from the city centre.
Enjoy. G.
GentileBear
05-06-23, 23:50
Maybe I'm speaking out of my ass as a Philippines newb but I don't get why so many people say to avoid AC it's been ruined. I was there for a week for my first trip and yeah there's a huge Korean presence there but there were also still plenty of birds in the sea. Prices were great for me too. Much better value than makati. Why don't more people complain about makati being ruined instead? It's always AC.Hello Pickley,
IMO Angeles City has been ruined. Since about 2011. I see no reason to return as the pictures and stories from another board with Philippines in their name have more activity on "other places" like Thailand or Indonesia. Now I am happy you still dig the place! Really I am! I would guess there is still some magic out there but. I'll answer specifically Why I as an example feel the place Sucks now.
1) The hotels are obnoxiously expensive compared to Pattaya.
2) The ladies have gained weight and are older and more used up than say in 2004. (See pictures of AC Bargirls pre 2009).
3) Raids and other legal gray area matters have plagued Angeles City for about 15 years or so.
4) Being a 2 week millionaire from USA means nothing to the ladies now. They are not as excited to see American $ versus other nationalities money.
(5) The ladies have many more work options like Call Centers or other Business outsourcing they can do and hey - good for them, I am not hating.
Overall around 2002-2005 it was BBFS CIP heaven over there. And a lot of this creampieing was with BEAUTIFUL ladies who were slim and sexy.
Today. With the magic of Google Translate. I can simply head to Thailand and ask the ladies if they want my load. Philippines ladies speak English is no longer very important.
There is HUGE variety in Thailand. There are SO MANY bars in Thailand.
In Angeles City I still hear people posting about the same 3 or 4 bars over and over again. Sorry. Call me old. But I won't be back anytime soon since the Heyday is over. Again, just my opinion and I am not trying to say I am right. It's just that it's easier and cheaper to find what I want elsewhere.
I have been to AC 3 times this year. Total of 25 days. About 7-8 days a tour. Primary have been to Qbar and Lollipop bars. Both bars have 2 tier bar fines. How do I know? Because I have paid 3500 and 4000 at each bar. I have barfined 3 from Qbar and 5 from Lollipop. On NYE I BF a 3500 one from lollipop. That girl is still working there and at a 3500 BF. 3500 girls wear a red bikini. There is one other 3500 color bikini. Go and verify it if you like.
I have had at least another 10 girls from my Friends and Family program. Some I paid 2500 to 3500 each. One special 19 year old got 4 k plus. Most girls were at least a 7. 2 to 8. 2 in looks rating. 9 out 10 of all girls had tight pussies. And I am not big either. Other day a 4 month pregnant was referred to me. She was so tight that I had to really lube up to get it in. 8 out of 10 performed well.
BTW, I do not sit around a bar drinking. Most amount of time I have been in a bar is 45 minutes, chatting up a girl that I have BF before for a referral there. I go to BF a girl and then straight to the hotel. Sex is my game and purpose there. A shopping trip if you will.
I really don't compare what it was 10 years ago. Today is what matters to me. Does it serve my purpose? Yes. I am having a much better time now than 10 years ago.
Never had a Korean cockblock me. BTW, plenty of new and clean Korean restaurants in Friendship now.
To each their own. Some may have a completely different purpose here, then disregard my post.
BTW, my apologies for 2 rude posts which were deleted. I will just post my actual experiences.
I ran in to an 8.5+ that I have known for 7 years. She is 26 now with 2 kids. Still one of the greatest bodies around and might I add a tight kitty. We had a great time catching up. So much so that I will be taking her to Boracay tomorrow for 3 days. Direct flights from Clark to Boracay are available now for $60 one way. Great Boracay hotels for under $100 a night.
WestCoast1
05-07-23, 13:58
There is HUGE variety in Thailand. There are SO MANY bars in Thailand. SNIP In Angeles City I still hear people posting about the same 3 or 4 bars over and over again. Sorry. Call me old. But I won't be back anytime soon since the Heyday is over. Again, just my opinion and I am not trying to say I am right. It's just that it's easier and cheaper to find what I want elsewhere.Understood.
BTW, I do not sit around a bar drinking. Most amount of time I have been in a bar is 45 minutes, chatting up a girl that I have BF before for a referral there. I go to BF a girl and then straight to the hotel. Sex is my game and purpose there. A shopping trip if you will.We are of the same mold. When I go out looking to barfine, I don't go bar-hopping with the intent of socializing and having fun in the bars. I almost never barfine if I am out with a mate (on purpose). When out with mates, its social, and an evening of chat and fun. My buddy is probably looking for a girl. However when I am looking for a girl, I usually go alone, and the first girl that lights my fancy and agrees to my things is walking out the door with me to receive my vaccine in the next 30 minutes. The bar-hopping is done for the night. Its quite possible for me to walk into a bar, have the mama or waitress help me choose a girl, chat the girl for a moment, pay the barfine, and have been in the bar 10 minutes (or less). No need to go to anymore bars tonight (unless, after the first bang, the girl and I both want to go out for a drink). No LD purchased, a tip goes to the mama / waitress.
Prior, in the mid-00's, I was the opposite. Typical newb having fun in 4-5 bars in a night, sometimes going home drunk with no girl, having lost sight of the prime directive. One can get drunk any / every night of the year, anywhere. But when there are only 7 or 10 nights of your annual vacation and you are in trim heaven, each night is precious. At one point I looked at that fun vs nawty thing and thought: Talk about misplaced priorities!.
I like the fun girls, the ones that like to joke and party. These girls are not going with Korean guys and they don't start their shift until 6 or 7 pm. I'd barfine a couple every night then bring them to megadance and have fun all night. I never felt I was settling on quality. Definately not as many to choose from than years ago but still not a problem to find one.
In summation, yes if you knew Angeles 10 years ago or more and trying to compare then you feel sour. But Angeles is still far better than anything you will find back in the states and I think still worth it for sure! Oh and I was never once asked short time or long time but any of the 11 girls I had last week. All were long time like usual. Maybe that's just a daytime girl thing? (Ie- Korean loving girl thing).Great report. Eleven girls in one week? Bit jealous here. . .
That report calls for a pic of my girls being playful (WAB-girls).
One can get drunk any / every night of the year, anywhere. But when there are only 7 or 10 nights of your annual vacation and you are in trim heaven, each night is precious. At one point I looked at that fun vs nawty thing and thought: Talk about misplaced priorities!.
True but where in the rule book does it say that they are mutually exclusive?? I don't know anywhere at home where I can have a face full of titties, a beer in one hand and snatch in the other. All for less than $10 a drink. That's where AC and wider Philippines shine.
Sure it's not as in your face as years ago, but it's still there.
Each to their own, but I've never gone for point and shoot and notches on a bed post. Give me a enjoyable night of laughs and frolicking any time.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
05-08-23, 07:44
True but where in the rule book does it say that they are mutually exclusive?? I don't know anywhere at home where I can have a face full of titties, a beer in one hand and snatch in the other. All for less than $10 a drink. That's where AC and wider Philippines shine.
Sure it's not as in your face as years ago, but it's still there.
Each to their own, but I've never gone for point and shoot and notches on a bed post. Give me a enjoyable night of laughs and frolicking any time.
Enjoy. G.I tend to keep the two separate (now). When I need a rest night (no nawty) during my stay (then, pre-covid), I might go out perving alone as you suggest (or with a mate). But not barfining. When out trying to do both, 3 drinks in and I start conflating the two. Four drinks into my night at bar #3, intending to barfine, having fun with a cutie that is agreeable to a barfine, and its too late for me. I confess that my constitution has changed (a decade ago) and is such that there will be no junior-joy this evening. My age shows itself. Its been a wonderful evening, and the perving can continue. But not with a barfine. A drink in bar #1 looking over the talent. Two drinks in bar #2 (one each with different cuties), and then one drink with a cutie in bar #3, and its over. Its been good fun. Can continue at bar #4 with a bottle of water maybe, more perving. Alcohol, and bar-carousing have become, for me, the antithesis of barfining. Much easier to skip the booze and carousing on a barfine evening. Keep a bottle of tequila or RH in the room and have (only) 1 with the girl, should she want one. The good-old-days of bar crawling, perving, and barfining ended for me not because of the Koreans, but because my constitution changed. Also, another gent I met at Kokomo's, older and wiser than me, had found ways to change up the barfine system that was in place, to either save himself some money, or more importantly (to him) time in accessing bargirls. He had created methods to:
1) Not buy a LD when barfining. 2) Get bargirls to 'cheat the bar' on their time off, and pay about half the barfine amount. 3) Get into certain bars, and be back outside with his barfined gogo gal in 10 minutes. 4) Other things, some of them genius. Once I adopted some of his methods, I found it useful to stop drinking in bars (clouded my judgement, reduced Johnson thru-put), get in / out with a girl and vax someone.
That's for barfining. When I am with my regulars on a LT, we often go out for live band, drinks, food, carousing. Quite possible we will skip the evening joy and have it in the morning, depending my mood / energy. When barfining it would be (for me) a dereliction of duty to not hammer the girl shortly after the barfine, even on a LT where she is available in the morning.
Nobody needs to heed my methodology.
In summary (sorry about the long post): in town for a few days, not super fussy and want point and shoot, then go to AC and have a blast; have some extra time, looking for better quality and looking girls and prepared to put in some ground work, then bypass AC and go to Cebu.
.I agree. There is no change over the years in regards the possibilities AC vs Cebu.
The change is in the budget. AC, years ago, a budget of 100. -$ a day all inclusive was good for excellent fun. Nowadays be ready to spend 300. -$ or more a day. (I talk about 1 week tourists!
Otherwise stay back home and don't moan about the bygone good old times.
10 years ago.
Armed guards with sawed off shotguns in most businesses.
4-5 15 yo glue sniffing boys trying rob your pockets.
3 or more ladyboys trying to steal your wallet on the street.
Pickpockets galore walking around.
Cell phone snatch and runners.
Most bars girls were inexperienced country bumpkins from Samar.
High percentage were runners.
I like today better.
This board makes AC sound like shit. I have never been but was entertaining the idea for easy drive-thru BBFS. Now I'm discouraged.
For those who think AC is over, are there any BBFS alternative destinations anywhere in the world?
Money is not an issue. Filipinas aren't even my type, but AC just seems to be the BBFS capital of the world. I wish Thailand offered BBFS but I've been told that's rare.
Transporter
05-09-23, 15:28
This board makes AC sound like shit. I have never been but was entertaining the idea for easy drive-thru BBFS. Now I'm discouraged. For those who think AC is over, are there any BBFS alternative destinations anywhere in the world? Money is not an issue. Filipinas aren't even my type, but AC just seems to be the BBFS capital of the world. I wish Thailand offered BBFS but I've been told that's rare.I would say pm me, but with 1 post not sure. Either way I wouldn't be discouraged. The entire PI is pretty much the same not only AC. Everything is bare everywhere. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is up to you.
Mr Enternational
05-09-23, 16:38
I wish Thailand offered BBFS but I've been told that's rare.I do not know who told you that. It is so easy that 2 days ago this new guy could do it without even trying.
I moved from Bangkok to Pattaya for a few days yesterday.
The rest of the day here was spent exploring. The RLD is massive here! Lots of walking around on my tired legs but worth it.
I then walked up and down Beach Road and Walking Street a few times checking out the talent. Lots of working girls available. 1 K BHT paid for the standard suck and fuck, and she was up for BBCIP, starting to mount me without a condom, but I use a condom for PIV.
I would say pm me, but with 1 post not sure. Either way I wouldn't be discouraged. The entire PI is pretty much the same not only AC. Everything is bare everywhere. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is up to you.I'm new here. How do I PM you? I go to your profile and don't see a button. Do I need to be a paying member?
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This board makes AC sound like shit. I have never been but was entertaining the idea for easy drive-thru BBFS. Now I'm discouraged.
For those who think AC is over, are there any BBFS alternative destinations anywhere in the world?
Money is not an issue. Filipinas aren't even my type, but AC just seems to be the BBFS capital of the world. I wish Thailand offered BBFS but I've been told that's rare.Somebody told you it's rare in Thailand. Hahahahahah.
This board makes AC sound like shit. I have never been but was entertaining the idea for easy drive-thru BBFS. Now I'm discouraged...AC is shit. However, it's also something that should be experienced by every newbie monger to visit the Philippines. Some love it. Some hate it. If you're the later, don't sit and whinge about it, move on: Subic is two hours away; back track to Manila or; Clark has a zillion domestic flight connections.
The odds are stacked on your side. After visiting for nearly 30 years and travelling over much of the Philippines, I've had one encounter where she insisted on me tarping up. One. Yes it was in Angeles but to be fair, she was trying to pisss me off so that I would throw her out early. It worked. I'm assuming those are odds you can live with.
Money is not an issue. Filipinas aren't even my type, but AC just seems to be the BBFS capital of the world. I wish Thailand offered BBFS but I've been told that's rare.Throwing money around does not guarantee a good time in PI. If anything girls' prices and performance are inversely related. I have to think to recall any high priced girls who were great lays. Yet I have many provincial princesses that will remain burnt into my memory until the day I die.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. I remembered a second time: an over priced KTV in Davao. But that lends credence to my second point.
G.
AC is shit. Some love it. Some hate it. G and DG make some good points. I still like AC but then again I also like Manila, Cebu, Subic, Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket, Chiang Mai, Jakarta, Ho Chi Minh City, Vung Tau, Hanoi, Siem Reap and Phnom Penh. Have visited all these and more (as I know many of you have). Hell, I lived in AC back in the heydeys of 82 to 84. Now I live outside of Dumaguete so it is easy to go to all of these places. The thing about Angeles it is very easy to get quality pussy and not expensive if you are coming from any Western or predominantly English-speaking country. And Filipina girls are so sweet -- well, the vast majority. I am retired here and it is one of the best decisions I ever made with the shit show going on in the USA and most other places. No place is perfect but for me, PI is about as good as it gets. And AC is a fairly inexpensive Disneyland for Adults. Get a ticket and go on the rides. Life is good!
Hi guys, and sorry for the offtopic.
Is it true than now when you arrive Manila or Cebu airport, you have to pay some kind of "tourist" tax? About 25 dollars or something like that.
Thanks in advance.
I ran in to an 8.5+ that I have known for 7 years. She is 26 now with 2 kids. Still one of the greatest bodies around and might I add a tight kitty. We had a great time catching up. So much so that I will be taking her to Boracay tomorrow for 3 days. Direct flights from Clark to Boracay are available now for $60 one way. Great Boracay hotels for under $100 a night.My 3 nights Boracay vacation is coming to an end. Flight tomorrow to Manila for 2 nights and then home. My friend is flying to Manila with me and the will take the Genesis bus back to AC. She asked me if I would want her 20 year old friend to come stay with me? Wtf! After seeing her picture I said heck yes! 20 yo was shy and wanted my friend to stay the night too. Friend was ok with that. They will ride the bus back together.
I have another girl coming from AC for my final night and she will catch the bus back in the morning. My flight is out of terminal 3 so it works out good. BTW, I am staying at Savoy Hotel across from Terminal 3.
AC is all what you make of it.
Hi guys, and sorry for the offtopic.
Is it true than now when you arrive Manila or Cebu airport, you have to pay some kind of "tourist" tax? About 25 dollars or something like that.
Thanks in advance.What tourist tax? There is no such thing for arriving passengers in any airport in Philippines.
When leaving there is a departure airport tax. Most of the time it depends on the airline you are taking. It will be included in the price paid. I take major international airlines from Manila so that airport tax is already included. When I was in the immigration line when departing they were directing some passengers to another window I believe to pay the tax. Obviously some airlines ticket does not include airport tax. Last time I travelled domestic round trip from Manila to cebu on Air Asia. I did not have to pay anything at both airports.
I would check with the airline.
What tourist tax? There is no such thing for arriving passengers in any airport in Philippines.
When leaving there is a departure airport tax. Most of the time it depends on the airline you are taking. It will be included in the price paid. I take major international airlines from Manila so that airport tax is already included. When I was in the immigration line when departing they were directing some passengers to another window I believe to pay the tax. Obviously some airlines ticket does not include airport tax. Last time I travelled domestic round trip from Manila to cebu on Air Asia. I did not have to pay anything at both airports.
I would check with the airline.Thanks, just asking. One friend of mine told me that, but probably is what you say: some airlines ticket does not include the airport tax. Cheers.
Hi guys, and sorry for the offtopic.
Is it true than now when you arrive Manila or Cebu airport, you have to pay some kind of "tourist" tax? About 25 dollars or something like that.
Thanks in advance.There are no arrival tax. Period. If there is a tax it is built into your ticket price.
99% of departure tax is built in to the ticket price.
If you are in AC then you will know it is difficult to get small change back from stores and restaurants.
I have solved the problems. ABC front desk stocks quite a bit of P20, P50, P100, P500 and P1000 notes. I get a stack of p50's and P100's at a time. Like P3000 at a time. Saves on a lot of frustration.
WildInstincts
05-11-23, 16:54
There are no arrival tax. Period. If there is a tax it is built into your ticket price.
99% of departure tax is built in to the ticket price.It is my understanding that visiting tourists who stay in Philippines for less than a year do not have to pay. In the past I had bought tickets for myself and my then Filipina GF out of Manila; had to pay the extra travel tax only for her.
GoodEnough
05-11-23, 17:07
It is my understanding that visiting tourists who stay in Philippines for less than a year do not have to pay. In the past I had bought tickets for myself and my then Filipina GF out of Manila; had to pay the extra travel tax only for her.I think it's a stay of 6 months or more. I have to pay it every time I leave the country, but then so do Filipinos.
GE.
It is my understanding that visiting tourists who stay in Philippines for less than a year do not have to pay. In the past I had bought tickets for myself and my then Filipina GF out of Manila; had to pay the extra travel tax only for her.Yes, that's true. There is a tax for Filipino citizens travelling outside the country. I guess they think that if you're rich enough to travel, you're rich enough to pay more taxes. Foreigners do not pay the tax. My last experience with this was maybe 6 years ago, and we had to wait in line to to pay and get a special receipt attached to my girlfriends boarding pass. These days, it may have been integrated into more ticket prices. Not sure.
Yes, that's true. There is a tax for Filipino citizens travelling outside the country. I guess they think that if you're rich enough to travel, you're rich enough to pay more taxes. Foreigners do not pay the tax. My last experience with this was maybe 6 years ago, and we had to wait in line to to pay and get a special receipt attached to my girlfriends boarding pass. These days, it may have been integrated into more ticket prices. Not sure.Foreigners do pay a departure tax known to some as a travel tax. Filipino citizens pay it too. The tax is 1620 pesos. Years ago the tax was much lower for foreigners and Filipinos paid 1620. After an uproar over the inequity of the price difference, the government raise the foreigner tax to 1620! Filipinos had thought theirs would be lowered! LOL.
Most all tourist have the tax included in their tickets. Some airlines have the option for the Filipinos to pay the tax in the ticket. If not paid in the ticket then it is paid at the airport.
OFW used to pay it and then inside the boarding area they would claim a refund. OFW are exempt from the tax. Today I believe they do not collect it in the OFW ticket.
WalkAboutBoyz
05-12-23, 04:59
Currently in Angeles and wanted a massage so I went into a parlor right on walking street (across from genesis), where the girls are on the street yelling "massage" at everyone who walks by. The girl brought me to the back and I was the only customer there. I get naked and she starts massaging and then another girl walks in and asks if I want two girls. Whatever, it's 400 pesos each, so I agree. After a couple of minutes I feel two more sets of hands on me and I look back to see two ladyboys grabbing at my ass and junk and giggling. I was furious! I didn't come here to get my junk grabbed by ladyboys after I am face down getting a massage. I immediately cursed everyone out and left. I still wanted a massage so I asked my hotel to call one for me to my room. They did, and the lady shows up who is about 55 years old it seems. Ok, I get it, it was a decent massage and I'm sure better than one of the young pretty girls but who doesn't like to have a set of 22 year old hands all over them?
My question is, does anyone know of a good massage location on walking street or near that has cute girls (but without disgusting ladyboys trying to grab at you)?
Expat American
05-12-23, 06:40
Currently in Angeles and wanted a massage so I went into a parlor right on walking street (across from genesis), where the girls are on the street yelling "massage" at everyone who walks by. The girl brought me to the back and I was the only customer there. I get naked and she starts massaging and then another girl walks in and asks if I want two girls. Whatever, it's 400 pesos each, so I agree. After a couple of minutes I feel two more sets of hands on me and I look back to see two ladyboys grabbing at my ass and junk and giggling. I was furious! I didn't come here to get my junk grabbed by ladyboys after I am face down getting a massage. I immediately cursed everyone out and left. I still wanted a massage so I asked my hotel to call one for me to my room. They did, and the lady shows up who is about 55 years old it seems. Ok, I get it, it was a decent massage and I'm sure better than one of the young pretty girls but who doesn't like to have a set of 22 year old hands all over them?
My question is, does anyone know of a good massage location on walking street or near that has cute girls (but without disgusting ladyboys trying to grab at you)?AC is not Pattaya. Generally there is no combo of massage and sex where both are good. There are good places for massage (my favorite is Reign Spa) where 400 peso gets you pretty good hour rub. For sex you should already know where to find that. LOL.
DzikaBomba
05-12-23, 14:45
If you are in AC then you will know it is difficult to get small change back from stores and restaurants.
I have solved the problems. ABC front desk stocks quite a bit of P20, P50, P100, P500 and P1000 notes. I get a stack of p50's and P100's at a time. Like P3000 at a time. Saves on a lot of frustration.My solution to that is when I'm changing money at the money changer I ask them to give me small bills and I tell them exactly which and they will give.
No Problem.
And front desk from ABC will see my middle finger from outside at max.
My 2 week tour is finished. 7:30 an I checked in for my flight and my AC girl went home on the Genesis 8 am bus.
Friends and Family plan worked out great along with a few new barfines. Nothing to complain about here.
NapaSlapper
05-14-23, 02:01
Your friend is correct. Do the math:
1/. There are many, many more foreigner friendly girls in Cebu than Walking Street. Cebu simply has a larger population. A LOT larger.
2/. Some / many hot girls in AC are Korean or drinks only and will not be going home with a white guy under any circumstance. I haven't found this in Cebu. My experience has been that any Cebu girl happy to date a foreign guy doesn't care if that foreigner is white, yellow, brown or green.
2/. The typical source of AC working girls is poor, destitute, single moms not the thousands of regular girls who flood into Cebu looking for quality schools or jobs.
3/. AC feed stock generally comes from Lyete or Samar (think Isaan and Pattaya). Great if you prefer spinner body types but no so good if you are looking for tall and slim or buxom girls. Poverty and poor nutrition exaggerates this. True cebuana I find to be the whole range from 5'0" and homely to tall and slim. However, to these you add all the other imported ethnicities. The Philippines is an archipelago where different areas produce girls with strikingly different features. Porcelain white skinned girls, tall and stacked, honey brown skinned, huge jugs on a tiny frame: whatever you prefer, seek and ye shall find!
Here is the rebuttal and it's a big one: walk into AC and, if you aren't too fussy, you can be getting laid within minutes of arrival; Cebu is a huge city but it's not point and shoot. It does have a settling in period for newbies to find their feet and make things happen. I've had several guys complain that this period is too long and took up most of their stay. For those prepared to wait, there are rewards. However, it does take time.
In summary (sorry about the long post): in town for a few days, not super fussy and want point and shoot, then go to AC and have a blast; have some extra time, looking for better quality and looking girls and prepared to put in some ground work, then bypass AC and go to Cebu.
I should also add that if your also looking for other things to do beyond getting laid 24/7, then Cebu wins hands down.
Enjoy. G.Hit the nail on the head with this one, great post.
So true to say that many of the better looking slimmer angeles bargirls are drinks only girls and will not leave with anyone, even the very high spending koreans who are far preffered customers by many bargirls have problems getting their 1st,2nd,3rd etc choice girls to leave the bar.
Yes its true if one lives in a loveless country where a jump with a whale is impossible or has been locked up in solitary for the last 10 years and is so desperate for some pussy then an angeles visit might be heaven, not so desperate and not willing to greatly lower ones standards to almost nil then one will be greatly dissapointed in angeles, sorry to be truthful but it needs saying.
NapaSlapper
05-14-23, 02:20
10 years ago.
Armed guards with sawed off shotguns in most businesses.
4-5 15 yo glue sniffing boys trying rob your pockets.
3 or more ladyboys trying to steal your wallet on the street.
Pickpockets galore walking around.
Cell phone snatch and runners.
Most bars girls were inexperienced country bumpkins from Samar.
High percentage were runners.
I like today better.Angeles better than 10 years ago?
I think you will find that the angeles of today has even more armed guards with automatic weapons at establishments.
Multiple more glue sniffing street kids on every st corner leading up to walking st.
Multiple more ladyboys on every st corner than before.
Pickpockets, cell phone snatchers, muggers etc all alive and well in angeles.
Girls promising long time and charging for long time only to run after the 1st pop are at very high levels, of course if one barfines the older fatter more desperate girls then number of runners decreases dramatically.
As stated, not sure what there is to like more than 10 years ago IMHO.
NapaSlapper
05-14-23, 02:37
Hello Pickley,
IMO Angeles City has been ruined. Since about 2011. I see no reason to return as the pictures and stories from another board with Philippines in their name have more activity on "other places" like Thailand or Indonesia. Now I am happy you still dig the place! Really I am! I would guess there is still some magic out there but. I'll answer specifically Why I as an example feel the place Sucks now.
1) The hotels are obnoxiously expensive compared to Pattaya.
2) The ladies have gained weight and are older and more used up than say in 2004. (See pictures of AC Bargirls pre 2009).
3) Raids and other legal gray area matters have plagued Angeles City for about 15 years or so.
4) Being a 2 week millionaire from USA means nothing to the ladies now. They are not as excited to see American $ versus other nationalities money.
(5) The ladies have many more work options like Call Centers or other Business outsourcing they can do and hey - good for them, I am not hating.
Overall around 2002-2005 it was BBFS CIP heaven over there. And a lot of this creampieing was with BEAUTIFUL ladies who were slim and sexy.
Today. With the magic of Google Translate. I can simply head to Thailand and ask the ladies if they want my load. Philippines ladies speak English is no longer very important.
There is HUGE variety in Thailand. There are SO MANY bars in Thailand.
In Angeles City I still hear people posting about the same 3 or 4 bars over and over again. Sorry. Call me old. But I won't be back anytime soon since the Heyday is over. Again, just my opinion and I am not trying to say I am right. It's just that it's easier and cheaper to find what I want elsewhere.Excellent post, Thanks for telling some home truths, egree with most all of what you say.
A Traveler
05-14-23, 07:29
I arrived in Angels City yesterday, and I'm collecting data to help all the randy guys like me trapped in the West. I created a new username since my last one was not sufficiently anonymous. Here are my notes so far.
E-health.
This turned out to be nothing to worry about. The website asks you if you are vaccinated, but no evidence is required. It also asks if you had Covid in the last 30 days, which I did but have been testing negative. I didn't admit that and I got a green pass.
United makes you upload a picture of you vaccination record, but they are not able to validate the e-health pass so I had to check in at the airport. I had to call a gate agent over. The only instructions she had were to check my travel documents. She had no idea what the e-health pass was. I showed her my green pass and she checked me in.
In Manila there was a line for green passes and a line for red. Nobody was manning the green line and nobody checked my pass.
Transport.
Margarita Station car was shockingly expensive at 4,000 PHP, but it was nice to be transported directly to my accommodations.
Accommodations.
I always think I'm going to splurge on ABC, but then I look at the pictures and can't bring myself to book it. The rooms look tacky, and the bathrooms look old and tired. I booked an Airbnb in the new One Euphoria condo tower. It's a nice little modern room with a kitchenette and a bathroom that doesn't look like it's from 1980.
Angeles City.
Say what you will about Pattaya, but at least it's not a third-world dump. It's always shocking to see the shacks, homeless sleeping on the sidewalks, crippled and deformed beggars and urchins repeatedly asking for money at ATMs.
First Night Out.
I spent a few months here back in 2014 and 2017. At those times people complained about how the good old days were gone. Now those are the good old days. I accept the fact that I can't go back and things are different.
There's been a lot of complaining about girls not bar fining. I dismissed those reports as being from jaded guys that weren't making an effort. My data is limited and anecdotal, but maybe they have a point. But I can confirm the classic GFE can still be experienced.
My first stop was Lollipop, which I have fond memories of and there have been good reports. On my first night I tend to be a little more liberal buying drinks, so I bought one for the ugly annoying waitress that sat next to me and kept talking to me. Most of the lineup was fugly, but I spotted a perfect ten, a jewel in the rough. Tall, slim, big boobs. No tattoos, wearing neon tape instead of a top. I asked the waitress to call her down. She had a sparkling personality, was 20, and baby-free.
I asked about taking her out and she said since she had to stay until 9 since she had to do shows. Alarm bells rang but this girl was amazing. In the past showgirls and cherry girls would straight up tell you they wouldn't go out and she wasn't saying that. I had to make a quick call and I decided to keep buying drinks for annoying waitress and beautiful showgirl until 9. Of course at nine she said she was on mens. I didn't burn any bridges and finished the last drink with her and said I'd come back in a couple days. It would probably be a waste of time.
I cut my losses and went to La Bamba, another bar with fond memories. All the girls were short and average but young and cute. These girls weren't 10's, but I like short cute girls. They were all very friendly so I had to pick one quickly to call down. She was going on 19, bubbly and very hands on. In the past it was fun to spend time building rapport in the bar so I bought a few rounds of drinks. When I inquired about going she dropped a bombshell. According to her the is no barfine and La Bamba! Can that be true? I asked how we could meet up and she said to give her my Facebook. Then she said she was on mens and couldn't meet for a few days. Of course she didn't friend me on Facebook. Another waste of time and money.
At this point I was feeling the jetlag and had used up most of my limited introvert energy. I went in Q-Bar and looked at the fuggly lineup and left.
Next up was Monsoon. This time I didn't buy the waitress a drink. I spotted a pretty dancer in a sparkly dress and ask to buy a drink for her. The waitress said she didn't work here. Weird. I paid up and headed out, but at this time she was sitting with the other dancers. I went up to her and asked if she's working and she said yes so I told her I want to buy a drink.
I was tired and low energy but chatted with her. She's 25 from Samar. The previous two were from here. She was pretty and charming. I didn't wait too long about asking her to go out and she said yeah. So I paid the shockingly hight 4,000 PHP and took her home.
It was a classic experience as good as any from the past. She was passionate, gave BBFSCIP, spent the night, and did another session in the morning. I have the old dilemma of deciding if I want to see her again and risk having her get attached to me, or if I should roll the dice and keep hunting.
I'm still tired from jet lag, so on night two I will call for one of the massage girls that looked sort of cute handing out cards to come to my room.
A Traveler
05-14-23, 07:31
Is there a place to buy doxycycline here? I used to get it from the Pharmacy right on Walking Street, but it is closed now. I went to the Filipino chain place down Fields but they wanted a prescription. I will try the Mercury Drug by the McDonald's later.
Hit the nail on the head with this one, great post.
So true to say that many of the better looking slimmer angeles bargirls are drinks only girls and will not leave with anyone, even the very high spending koreans who are far preffered customers by many bargirls have problems getting their 1st,2nd,3rd etc choice girls to leave the bar.
Yes its true if one lives in a loveless country where a jump with a whale is impossible or has been locked up in solitary for the last 10 years and is so desperate for some pussy then an angeles visit might be heaven, not so desperate and not willing to greatly lower ones standards to almost nil then one will be greatly dissapointed in angeles, sorry to be truthful but it needs saying.I'm a newb who's never been to AC. You can see my previous post in this thread. Are there any places you suggest as alternatives to AC for easy / young / hot BBFSCIP? I don't mind paying a premium for quality and convenience. There does not seem to be an "AC" in latin america or europe or really anywhere else in asia? You come across as the most critical poster here and seem to have high standards, so what's your strategy? I'm debating whether a place like AC is even worth it because I can already get BBFSCIP locally from Koreans in the USA whom on average look better than filipinas.
I've been reading that in several bars they pull off small scams (like, for example, paying for lady drinks to a girl that you could potentially barfine, and then she tells you she can't go with you, maybe because of her period or something) and also that once you barfine a girl for a long time, you have sex once and she quickly leaves.
Can you guys tell me which bars are more honest about all these things? I'll only be there for a few days and I don't want to be fooled all the time.
Thanks.
I've been reading that in several bars they pull off small scams (like, for example, paying for lady drinks to a girl that you could potentially barfine, and then she tells you she can't go with you, maybe because of her period or something) and also that once you barfine a girl for a long time, you have sex once and she quickly leaves.
Can you guys tell me which bars are more honest about all these things? I'll only be there for a few days and I don't want to be fooled all the time.
Thanks.This can happen to the best of us from time to time, I have had it happen to me a few times over the years, there is no 100% way to combat it, but I do suggest to dramatically reduce the odds is to be very upfront about your asks before buying a lady-drink or committing to pay money (such as barfine), or a technique that I find works well for somewhere new if I don't have that much time to hand; is to buy the mamasan a drink (or give a tip), tell her what you want and she will usually be happy to supply you with what you are looking for within reason as well as give you the lowdown on prices, types of service and so on.
Good luck and happy hunting.
This can happen to the best of us from time to time, I have had it happen to me a few times over the years, there is no 100% way to combat it, but I do suggest to dramatically reduce the odds is to be very upfront about your asks before buying a lady-drink or committing to pay money (such as barfine), or a technique that I find works well for somewhere new if I don't have that much time to hand; is to buy the mamasan a drink (or give a tip), tell her what you want and she will usually be happy to supply you with what you are looking for within reason as well as give you the lowdown on prices, types of service and so on.
Good luck and happy hunting.Thanks for the tips, I will be very nice with the mamasan and I will try to make all the questions before paying anything.
A Traveler
05-16-23, 04:14
I continued my boots on the ground research. I walked all the way down to the Perimeter bars. Only about five remain, and they are all terrible. Gone is Det 5, which was packed full of 18,19, 20 year old cuties five years ago. There was one girl that was kind of cute in XXX who I chatted with for a while. I talked to a slightly older cute waitress too about barfines. On walking street there is only one option, but here there is a price for ST and LT, I think 3000 or 3500. Since I sort of liked the waitress too I joked about a threesome, and both girls seemed into it. Being that these girls were cute but not stunners, and it was only like 2:30 pm, I respectfully exited to continue my walk and said I would be back. I think I actually will.
I noticed that dancers are no longer outside trying to entice you to go in. Only guys and fuglies are outside the bars now. There must be a new law requiring girls stay inside. The dancers no longer wear numbers either.
After killing time in SM since Walking Street in the daytime is a depressing hellhole I went out early at 5 pm. I think the key to a good time is to know which bars are fun, and which to avoid. If you are a newbie with no idea you will waste a lot of time in terrible Korean bars. Now I had some great experiences in Korean bars, but some, like Bunny at the end of the street are bad. I had fond memories of Bunny Ranch in the same location from 2017, which had about 10 pretty young girls. My first girl was into threesomes and I managed to bang every girl in that bar. It closed because nobody walked that far down the street I guess. The new Bunny had a stageful of girls, some of which where cute. But they were all sitting sullenly on the stage. Some of them did smile at me, so I probably could have picked one of those girls. When groups of Koreans walked in a buzzer went off and they all stood up and smiled. The waitress asked me to pick and I picked a cutie with bangs. But she wasn't one that smiled at me and flatly refused to come down. This is one of the bars that Koreans come to at 5 pm and pick the prettiest girls. Not all bars are like this.
I walked all the way down to Old Bar, formerly the Bar, a fun bar I have fond memories of threesomes from. I can report it's still fun. About a dozen friendly cuties. I picked one, 23, from Lyte and spent some time in her bar, establishing early on that she would leave with me. I never specify that she will end the night at my place for boom boom, instead I usually suggest we visit another bar and that is usually good enough although a very few times I did get burned for not being explicit. When one of her co-dancers sat next to me I joked about a three way and they seemed like they would be into it. But I wanted to try out my girl first before adding a second one.
I paid the expensive 4,000 and the sex turned out pretty good. I'd sort of prefer to wake up alone, but like the other night's girl long time was assumed with no discussion and there was a morning session. So that's 2/2 long times for 4,000.
Going through an exit clearance now, guessing it's easier doing it in Angeles but it's still a pain. Number one thing I dislike is leaving my passport with them for three days. Then there's the time wasted, getting 4 photos made at the kiosk next to immigration and photocopies of everything. Was cheap but the whole process seems like a money grab. I can see why guys either travel before 6 months or wait the three years before they have to leave the country. Adding up the fees, trikes to and from and it's 1000 pesos. Three days to complete and they recommend it be done two weeks before your departure. From what I've heard only the main immigration office do these. And Angeles. So what do you do if you don't live near one? Stay at a hotel in a big city until it's done then go home or wait and fly out? Add this to the process and I can see why guys are leaving the country before 6 months. Nothing like getting fingerprinted and your photo taken to spend your morning. If you've never gotten biometrics done you have to show up, can't how an agent.
But they sure are more friendly than Thailand.
LoveItHere
05-16-23, 16:09
Is there a place to buy doxycycline here? I used to get it from the Pharmacy right on Walking Street, but it is closed now. I went to the Filipino chain place down Fields but they wanted a prescription. I will try the Mercury Drug by the McDonald's later.Try the small mom and pop drug stores a few blocks or so away from Fields Avenue.
MongerHunger
05-17-23, 07:02
A recent visit to Angeles City (May 2023) revealed that the Perimeter Bars have more bang for your buck. A lot of Walking Street locations are quoting 5000 PHP total like Lollipop and sister establishment. Few places open during the day. Checked out the Vicking Bar and it was so so. Had some Red Horse and moved around outside of Walking Street.
Is there a place to buy doxycycline here? I used to get it from the Pharmacy right on Walking Street, but it is closed now. I went to the Filipino chain place down Fields but they wanted a prescription. I will try the Mercury Drug by the McDonald's later.There's a convenience store on the left side on fields ave. I can't remember exactly where it is but it's past royal Amsterdam and before you get to McDonald's. Just ask the clerk and they'll sell by the pill. I don't remember many convenience stores on the main section of fields so shouldn't be hard to find.
A recent visit to Angeles City (May 2023) revealed that the Perimeter Bars have more bang for your buck. A lot of Walking Street locations are quoting 5000 PHP total like Lollipop and sister establishment. Few places open during the day. Checked out the Vicking Bar and it was so so. Had some Red Horse and moved around outside of Walking Street.More bang for your buck sure but your not getting a Mercedes like you might find at Lollipop (was just there an hour ago), you go to perimeter you'll get the dollar store special but the girl might have 5 kids with one still getting breastfed (exaggerating but the deal is you get what you pay for). Don't send them so far off the beaten path just to get disappointed. There are bars going towards Perimeter like brown sugar, Camelot etc that have cheaper barfines. I actually walked past Camelot and saw 20 girls standing outside waiting for them to unlock the doors at 6 pm (ish) and many of the girls looked pretty good. Barfine just a few feet from WS drops close to 1000. Not saying Perimeter isn't worth the visit but don't pass up the bars you can easily walk into for ones where you need a trike to get you too.
Anyway I stopped in at Shooters, was one of the only customers to a stage full of 15 decent looking girls. Was just drinking on the way home so bought a girl a drink and headed down to lollipop. A nice selection at lollipop, lots of guys sitting around as well. If I'm drinking solo I prefer the bars where I have a corner to sit in and not stand out to 50 girls on stage looking at me (like Genesis). Made my way down to Carisel, like the rotating stage. Talent has been a bit low lately. Had one 95 peso happy hour beer and called it an early night. Waiting to see if any girls chat me up needing money. Otherwise just a normal day.
There's a convenience store on the left side on fields ave. I can't remember exactly where it is but it's past royal Amsterdam and before you get to McDonald's. Just ask the clerk and they'll sell by the pill. I don't remember many convenience stores on the main section of fields so shouldn't be hard to find.Is that the well lighted Korean mini market?
MongerHunger
05-18-23, 05:53
More bang for your buck sure but your not getting a Mercedes like you might find at Lollipop (was just there an hour ago), you go to perimeter you'll get the dollar store special but the girl might have 5 kids with one still getting breastfed (exaggerating but the deal is you get what you pay for). Don't send them so far off the beaten path just to get disappointed. There are bars going towards Perimeter like brown sugar, Camelot etc that have cheaper barfines. I actually walked past Camelot and saw 20 girls standing outside waiting for them to unlock the doors at 6 pm (ish) and many of the girls looked pretty good. Barfine just a few feet from WS drops close to 1000. Not saying Perimeter isn't worth the visit but don't pass up the bars you can easily walk into for ones where you need a trike to get you too.
Anyway I stopped in at Shooters, was one of the only customers to a stage full of 15 decent looking girls. Was just drinking on the way home so bought a girl a drink and headed down to lollipop. A nice selection at lollipop, lots of guys sitting around as well. If I'm drinking solo I prefer the bars where I have a corner to sit in and not stand out to 50 girls on stage looking at me (like Genesis). Made my way down to Carisel, like the rotating stage. Talent has been a bit low lately. Had one 95 peso happy hour beer and called it an early night. Waiting to see if any girls chat me up needing money. Otherwise just a normal day.You are right. Places on Walking Street like Lollipop are high end compared to Perimeter Bars. Yes you can get the Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, Audi, etc at 5000 PHP bar fine compared to some Perimeter places that are 2500 PHP bar fine but there are a few gems that are not high in number and you may have to visit a few places to find her. Lady drinks are cheaper as well as regular drinks. If one have time to explore it can pay off and yes it will take a Trike ride at around 100 PHP from the end of Walking Street. Lollipop is definitely a nice place. It's amusing to watch the Koreans throw stacks of 20 peso bills in the air for the ladies or purchase the balls to throw on stage. Balibago Hotel has a promotion going on right now. 3 hours for 500 PHP. Some people may prefer the Hilltop. LOL.
NapaSlapper
05-19-23, 03:16
I've been reading that in several bars they pull off small scams (like, for example, paying for lady drinks to a girl that you could potentially barfine, and then she tells you she can't go with you, maybe because of her period or something) and also that once you barfine a girl for a long time, you have sex once and she quickly leaves.
Can you guys tell me which bars are more honest about all these things? I'll only be there for a few days and I don't want to be fooled all the time.
Thanks.I think you will find that most all angeles walking st bars allow their better looking girls to bait and switch, girl tells punter what he wants to hear in the bar in order to rack up many high priced and high commision lady drinks only to not barfine at all, I,many others and most recently member A traveller a couple of posts ago have all reported of such, obviously choosing the type of bargirl that neither has the youth, looks or body to attract lady drinks of course would be good to go barfine straight away due to no other choices to earn money, again this type of bargirl is more likely to stay long time as apposed to the type of girls that can secure multiple short times each night by running and heading back to her bar for next punter.
In summing up, bars and bargirls are in the business of looking after their own pockets and do what is most profitable for them for obvious reasons, some are drinks only girls (the top girls) some are short time only girls, many are asian only girls and some girls (not popular girls) are happy to stay long time.
NapaSlapper
05-19-23, 03:28
I'm a newb who's never been to AC. You can see my previous post in this thread. Are there any places you suggest as alternatives to AC for easy / young / hot BBFSCIP? I don't mind paying a premium for quality and convenience. There does not seem to be an "AC" in latin america or europe or really anywhere else in asia? You come across as the most critical poster here and seem to have high standards, so what's your strategy? I'm debating whether a place like AC is even worth it because I can already get BBFSCIP locally from Koreans in the USA whom on average look better than filipinas.Unfortunately you are asking the wrong guy about availability of bare back destinations as I always insisted on wearing a condom with pros.
Are there destinations in asia that have many young attractive girls available then vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia all have many, obviously the biggest and easiest mongering destination in asia is thailand with literally thousands of girls to choose from.
Happy mongering.
NapaSlapper
05-19-23, 08:10
This can happen to the best of us from time to time, I have had it happen to me a few times over the years, there is no 100% way to combat it, but I do suggest to dramatically reduce the odds is to be very upfront about your asks before buying a lady-drink or committing to pay money (such as barfine), or a technique that I find works well for somewhere new if I don't have that much time to hand; is to buy the mamasan a drink (or give a tip), tell her what you want and she will usually be happy to supply you with what you are looking for within reason as well as give you the lowdown on prices, types of service and so on.
Good luck and happy hunting.The bars are designed in a way that there is no way of talking to a girl and asking questions before buying a lady drink for her because as the called bargirl is approaching ones table after being asked to come over so is the waitress, soon as the girl arrives the waitress will ask sir do you want to buy the girl a drink? Say no to buying a lady drink or I want to talk first and that bar girl will head straight back to the stage.
Buying the 1 drink is almost always mandatory which will give the punter 10/15 minutes to ask questions, if the girl is not willing to leave after the first drink to fuck then she is very unlikely to leave to fuck even after buying many drinks.
Yes it can get expensive for those that like the better looking girls to keep buying lady drinks for many girls in many bars trying to get laid, unfortunately it is what it is.
As for mercedes quality girls in bars like lollipop bar then all I can say is some have massive immaginations, as per my many recent reports on this bar I have seen all of 1 girl in the last 10 years that I would have even bought a drink for let alone barfined, yes many like lollipop as its got older girls that are playful and are hands on like the old days, but lookers? , no would not call them that by any stretch of the immagination.
A Traveler
05-20-23, 04:02
Most bars are primarily stocked with ugly girls. I don't think this has really changed from the past, as the bars are just a cross-section of humanity. It's like going to the post office or DMV; most people are butt-ugly, but then you randomly see a hot young girl. Some bars do a better job of stocking more pretty girls. Skyfall has some lookers, and some were sort of smiling at me. It's a Korean-style place where the girls wear dresses and the barfine is an astronomical 5,000 PHP. Some bars are for fun and partying, but bars like Skyfall, Bunny, Soya, etc are best treated as straight-up brothels. Pick a girl, buy one drink, quickly establish if she will go with you, and take her out.
So far the most I've paid for barfine is 4,500, but all the girls have stayed LT. I actually wish there was a ST option for half the price, because if you take a hot young girl early it's going to be more transactional than GFE, and I find it sort of awkward to be stuck with a girl like that all evening.
One important note. Since all the girls are staying LT, it is imperative to feed her. A girl from 123 (formerly Shipwrecked) woke me up at 2 am demanding food.
A Traveler
05-21-23, 07:23
The situation is rather grim. Pretty girls can be found, but it takes a lot of looking. Last night I visited Baccara (formerly The Bunker), Genesis, Pirate (formerly Viking), Bad Boy, Body Shop and Las Vegas and I would only, after careful consideration and deliberation, consider taking two girls from Baccara. None of those bars were fun and I bailed after half a beer in each. Masquerade was fun and had good energy, but ugly girls. There was one pretty in Shooters.
I hate to conflate ugly with old, but many of the girls look like they are pushing 40, and some more. I haven't seen any chubby girls. They all have slim spinner bodies but old faces. Now I'm no spring chicken myself and older ladies can look nice, but not when they try to doll themselves up like 20 year olds. I wonder if the veterans returned after Covid, but the pipelines to Lyte, Samar and Mindanao supplying new girls dried up. There used to be a lot of cherry girls, but I haven't come across any on this trip.
That said, fun can be had, but probably not with a smoking 18,19, 20,21, 22 year old (outside of the Korean brothel experience). A 25 year-old 7 or maybe 8 is more likely. It's still worth a trip since I can't get a 25 year-old back home.
Mr Enternational
05-21-23, 16:46
Buying the 1 drink is almost always mandatory which will give the punter 10/15 minutes to ask questions, if the girl is not willing to leave after the first drink to fuck then she is very unlikely to leave to fuck even after buying many drinks.
Pick a girl, buy one drink, quickly establish if she will go with you, and take her out.I am not understanding why you have to buy a drink in order to ask a chick if she will leave with you. You do not have to take someone to dinner in order to ask if their car is for sale. It reminds me of when another board member took me to a strip club in Florida. I was asking the chick about fucking and she was telling me to spend money on dances first then we could talk about it. I am no fool. Why would I spend the money I was going to use to fuck on dances, just to eventually be told she was not going to fuck?
Why are you guys spending money on drinks for a chick you are not sure will leave with you? Then if you already know she will leave with you, there is really no need to spend money on drinks. I believe in cutting to the chase and not wasting my time and money on uncertainty or being given the runaround.
From day one I have always said in this thread and the Thailand thread to just walk up to a hooker and say let's go. But for some reason guys have always felt they needed to grease the wheels with hookers as they may when meeting a chick that is not a hooker. If she is fucking then she is fucking from the start. Buying 1, 2, or 3 lady drinks is not going to convince her to fuck if she had no intentions to in the first place. It takes the same amount of time to ask if they will leave with you as it does to ask if they would like a drink.
That said, fun can be had, but probably not with a smoking 18,19, 20,21, 22 year old (outside of the Korean brothel experience).Does this refer to specific bars or non-bar establishments?
NapaSlapper
05-22-23, 01:29
I am not understanding why you have to buy a drink in order to ask a chick if she will leave with you. You do not have to take someone to dinner in order to ask if their car is for sale. It reminds me of when another board member took me to a strip club in Florida. I was asking the chick about fucking and she was telling me to spend money on dances first then we could talk about it. I am no fool. Why would I spend the money I was going to use to fuck on dances, just to eventually be told she was not going to fuck?
Why are you guys spending money on drinks for a chick you are not sure will leave with you? Then if you already know she will leave with you, there is really no need to spend money on drinks. I believe in cutting to the chase and not wasting my time and money on uncertainty or being given the runaround.
From day one I have always said in this thread and the Thailand thread to just walk up to a hooker and say let's go. But for some reason guys have always felt they needed to grease the wheels with hookers as they may when meeting a chick that is not a hooker. If she is fucking then she is fucking from the start. Buying 1, 2, or 3 lady drinks is not going to convince her to fuck if she had no intentions to in the first place. It takes the same amount of time to ask if they will leave with you as it does to ask if they would like a drink.Not hard to understand at all mr E, times have changed, in the new Angeles girl talk time = money, calling a girl down from the stage is calling a girl down for a lady drink, long gone are the days of bargirls chatting for free.
Does this refer to specific bars or non-bar establishments?Outside of the bar it's possible but 18/19 is harder for many reasons. But specifically to foreigners who'd usually use apps, many of the girls haven't become curious enough to use them yet. They're also usually too young to have got regular jobs since even basic jobs here usually require some sort of higher education qualification so finding them at work isn't easy either. So it's usually limited to what you can find on apps, bars, streets, clubs. I'm 31 and have found approaching 18 year olds in mall to be mostly a waste of time as they're either with many friends who get jealous and pull them away, too shy or actually they're from middle class families so there's no instant value to them. Parks and random places with a natural encounter a bit better but they're still super shy and conservative. No good for a 2 week tourist.
20-22 have usually become more curious and are out more in public and you'll have a higher chance of finding them.
If you're a long term visitor you can use other avenues such as contacts, using every single app possible, facebook etc to find the younger prettier ones. But also if you're going to do this I'd just suggest a different area as you'll have a better reward for your efforts.
Also if you do find an 18 year old in the bar don't assume she's young AND fresh. She's probably been getting fucked since she's 12/13 to be in that position at 18. There's simply no need for a pretty 18 year old to be in the bar in 2023.
WestCoast1
05-22-23, 02:10
One important note. Since all the girls are staying LT, it is imperative to feed her. A girl from 123 (formerly Shipwrecked) woke me up at 2 am demanding food.You will need to feed her at least once, in the evening. Again in the morning some breakfast if she's agreed to stay any extended time after sunup. I found most girls didn't want breakfast, just departure after the morning bang / shower. Typically I left the bar with the girl and went immediately to the closer of McDo or Jollie and got a chickenjoy meal for her. If she didn't eat it right away in the room, she ate it later at her whim, so there was no need to worry about anything till morning.
WestCoast1
05-22-23, 02:29
I am not understanding why you have to buy a drink in order to ask a chick if she will leave with you. You do not have to take someone to dinner in order to ask if their car is for sale. Unfortunately, the bars often now (exception below) make a concerted effort to keep you from talking to girls without ordering a LD first. Your method of talk first is / was also my method. However now if you walk into a bar and start chatting anyone, the mama or waitress will beeline to you and ask the girl what drink she is ordering. If you balk, she will be sent elsewhere in the bar (probably to the dance line) to avoid you. Sad face.
It reminds me of when another board member took me to a strip club in Florida. I was asking the chick about fucking and she was telling me to spend money on dances first then we could talk about it. I am no fool. Why would I spend the money I was going to use to fuck on dances, just to eventually be told she was not going to fuck?Lookers are now using a similar tactic in AC. When you mention a barfine, she will say to you "Oh they don't allow me to barfine until 11:30 (ninety minutes later)". You decide to sit there and buy her drinks until 11:30 pm, one every 20 minutes. At 11 pm, after you've purchased her 4-5 or so drinks, she excuses herself to the CR, and comes back to your table telling you that her mens has just started (or such). "Sorry po". Its the same gimmick as spending money on lap dances in other countries.
From day one I have always said in this thread and the Thailand thread to just walk up to a hooker and say let's go.Having said the above, I ran into a friend in AC one evening last year. Hadn't seen him in years. He had a real looker on his arm. We chat for a bit and we both moved on. A few days later I ran into him again and asked him where he found the looker. He said she was from "the bar with the boat", so I assume Vikings. He said he was walking by on WS when several of the girls out front chat him up. He took a liking to the looker and just asked if she wanted to barfine. She agreed, they went inside, he paid the barfine and off they went. Which somewhat invalidates what I said above.
Alternately, walk in an ask for the mama. Tell her that you are looking tonight for this / that / the other thing, and that there is a p500 commission to the mama if the barfine goes well. That is still a thing and skips the drink (but not the cost of the drink).
NapaSlapper
05-22-23, 03:01
Most bars are primarily stocked with ugly girls. I don't think this has really changed from the past, as the bars are just a cross-section of humanity. It's like going to the post office or DMV; most people are butt-ugly, but then you randomly see a hot young girl. Some bars do a better job of stocking more pretty girls. Skyfall has some lookers, and some were sort of smiling at me. It's a Korean-style place where the girls wear dresses and the barfine is an astronomical 5,000 PHP. Some bars are for fun and partying, but bars like Skyfall, Bunny, Soya, etc are best treated as straight-up brothels. Pick a girl, buy one drink, quickly establish if she will go with you, and take her out.
So far the most I've paid for barfine is 4,500, but all the girls have stayed LT. I actually wish there was a ST option for half the price, because if you take a hot young girl early it's going to be more transactional than GFE, and I find it sort of awkward to be stuck with a girl like that all evening.
One important note. Since all the girls are staying LT, it is imperative to feed her. A girl from 123 (formerly Shipwrecked) woke me up at 2 am demanding food.While I agree with you that most bars are now stocked with ugly bar girls I would disagree that was the case in the past, going back 15/20/25 years I would say most all angeles bar girls were young, slim, attractive and definately worth fucking, even the smallest of bars was stocked to the brim with fuckable girls.
I would also disagree that the bars are a cross section of humanity, why, walk into any manila / cebu / davao etc high end mall and take a look at the fantastic quality of the 18-21 year old non bargirls working in the stores, working at promotion and just out with their family or young pinoy boyfriend shopping, to say there is not great looking pinays is just not true what is true is that none of them work in angeles bars, take the best angeles looking bargirl and place her in an upscale mall and one would walk straight past her without even a look.
As far as bar girls eating habbits its funny how when they have to pay for their own food they are happy with some rice and a fish head once a day but on the punters dime they turn into food snobs that need feeding several times per day, many times seen friends out for breakfast with a girl and their breakfast is 300 odd peso, the girls breakfast is 600+ peso because she's ordered the most expensive thing on the enu of course, shows just how much respect some girls have for the foreigner.
Happy continuation to your trip.
Having said the above, I ran into a friend in AC one evening last year. Hadn't seen him in years. He had a real looker on his arm. We chat for a bit and we both moved on. A few days later I ran into him again and asked him where he found the looker. He said she was from "the bar with the boat", so I assume Vikings. He said he was walking by on WS when several of the girls out front chat him up. He took a liking to the looker and just asked if she wanted to barfine. She agreed, they went inside, he paid the barfine and off they went. Which somewhat invalidates what I said above.
Alternately, walk in an ask for the mama. Tell her that you are looking tonight for this / that / the other thing, and that there is a p500 commission to the mama if the barfine goes well. It comes as no surprise that some are having to buy pregame drinks and others can get away with a yes / no question. The girls have incredible intuition for guys that can be milked for extras and those that can't. If a guy is seen buying drinks for 3 hours in the hope of taking a girl home, then word will spread quick (definitely within that bar) and he will be doomed for the remainder of his stay. The yes / no question or saying that he will return when she is free to leave certainly sets the tone that no mind games will be tolerated.
Unfortunately I enjoy picking my own girls. The thrill of the chase?? Having someone recommend or present a girl is a real dampener for me.
Enjoy. G.
A Traveler
05-22-23, 04:36
I am not understanding why you have to buy a drink in order to ask a chick if she will leave with you. You do not have to take someone to dinner in order to ask if their car is for sale. It reminds me of when another board member took me to a strip club in Florida. I was asking the chick about fucking and she was telling me to spend money on dances first then we could talk about it. I am no fool. Why would I spend the money I was going to use to fuck on dances, just to eventually be told she was not going to fuck?After getting burned the first night by the showgirl that said she couldn't go until ninety minutes later, then her mens started I have instituted a one drink maximum. I like to see the girl up close, since the lighting has a way of making ugly girls look good and pretty girls look less good. That also gives enough time to determine if there might be a little "chemistry" and make sure she just doesn't not like you. When the drink is nearly gone asking directly if she wants to go with me does the trick.
Not buying a lady drink would save you 350 PHP as single drinks seem to be a thing of the past. But I'm not sure if I could pull that off. I have my own drink and I'm sitting and scoping out the talent. Once I call my pick down there's only about a 60 second window to talk before the waitress would take her away without a drink. The conversation would have to be something like "Hi, just saw you and I like you. I pay bar now so we can go boom boom. " Then you would have to immediately leave together because I don't think they will let you sit with her without a drink, even if she's in street clothes. And then there would be the risk that she just doesn't like you so you wasted the 4,000 PHP barfine. But more power to you for saving that 350.
Expat American
05-22-23, 10:19
It comes as no surprise that some are having to buy pregame drinks and others can get away with a yes / no question. The girls have incredible intuition for guys that can be milked for extras and those that can't. If a guy is seen buying drinks for 3 hours in the hope of taking a girl home, then word will spread quick (definitely within that bar) and he will be doomed for the remainder of his stay. The yes / no question or saying that he will return when she is free to leave certainly sets the tone that no mind games will be tolerated.
Unfortunately I enjoy picking my own girls. The thrill of the chase?? Having someone recommend or present a girl is a real dampener for me.
Enjoy. G.To me a huge part of the AC experience was the bars. Playful and naughty hands on girls. Nudity, lesbian shows, lap dances all for spending 20 $ over a few hours. The sex at the end was just the cherry on top. Now of course you have girls sitting with their backs to you wearing full clothing and looking at their phone waiting for the Korean van to show up. There are still a few old school bars but even those are way tamer than before. I really don't mind the inflation as much as the fact that the experience has really become sub par.
To me a huge part of the AC experience was the bars. Playful and naughty hands on girls. Nudity, lesbian shows, lap dances all for spending 20 $ over a few hours. The sex at the end was just the cherry on top. Agreed. Even if I'm not barfining, I have no problems splashing the cash if I'm having a good time with the girl and she is actively participating. However, that is totally different to just sitting there, buying drink after drink and hoping that something will eventuate.
Enjoy. G.
FuriousGeorge
05-22-23, 10:40
I dunno fellas. I'm a tall attractive fairly successful fit white guy in LA and it is HARD (and expensive) to get laid by civilians. I mean I have cultivated some on the roster but it was a long hard expensive trek. We're complaining over a $5 lady drink where you get to interview and do some flirting and some groping. I'm looking forward to going back this summer. But you have to think of it like a vacation, where getting sex is easy. Which is my kind of vacation.
I put together a collage of me with a whole bunch of hot AC girls (8's and 9's) with our faces blurred out and I was about to post it but I was like What's the point? AC is not for everyone, but it is for me.
At 14:26, the girl in the white "pants". That's the realm where I operate.
https://youtu.be/6rWFDYxE7Pw?t=866
WildInstincts
05-22-23, 14:22
Agreed. Even if I'm not barfining, I have no problems splashing the cash if I'm having a good time with the girl and she is actively participating. However, that is totally different to just sitting there, buying drink after drink and hoping that something will eventuate.
Enjoy. G.Agreed 100%. So long as WE have a good time. Getting laid is a cherry on the top, not so important.
NapaSlapper
05-22-23, 15:06
I think the golden years of Angeles were probably the mid 90's to 2000, imagine the scene.
Every single bar in Angeles was full of fully naked brown skin doe eyed girls brought in direct from places like Samar, most girls aged between 18 and 20 years, beautiful toned bodies, great happy attitude, no tattoos, no sign of baby damage and no mobile phone in hand.
Buy a lady drink and that girl will be down giving a sample blowjob immediately right there in the bar, all girls knew that barfine meant standard long time, as many pops as the customer could muster, never had a dud girl in performance or attitude, no runners, no complaints, hell most days it would be a massive struggle to get the bargirls to leave ones room at 2 pm in the afternoon after fucking all night.
I won't go into the times that three or four of us closed down bars for several hours and were alone with 30 or 40 naked girls because unless one was there most would not believe.
Alas those golden days are long gone, the fun of visiting Angeles has long gone, what is left is a shadow of the past, unless the bars can attract some good looking slim girls with a good attitude that actually want to barfine with westerners then I'm afraid that many would be western punters to Angeles will not want to fly halfway around the world at Great expense, look around the town at how few westerners are in town, it seems most have already voted with their feet not to visit. Not long now and the Asians will have 100% control of everything in Angeles IMHO.
Mr Enternational
05-22-23, 16:38
We're complaining over a $5 lady drink where you get to interview and do some flirting and some groping.Spending money and getting worked up, just to find out at the end that you can not get laid by a hooker!
MongerHunger
05-22-23, 19:09
I think the golden years of Angeles were probably the mid 90's to 2000, imagine the scene.
Every single bar in Angeles was full of fully naked brown skin doe eyed girls brought in direct from places like Samar, most girls aged between 18 and 20 years, beautiful toned bodies, great happy attitude, no tattoos, no sign of baby damage and no mobile phone in hand.
Buy a lady drink and that girl will be down giving a sample blowjob immediately right there in the bar, all girls knew that barfine meant standard long time, as many pops as the customer could muster, never had a dud girl in performance or attitude, no runners, no complaints, hell most days it would be a massive struggle to get the bargirls to leave ones room at 2 pm in the afternoon after fucking all night.
I won't go into the times that three or four of us closed down bars for several hours and were alone with 30 or 40 naked girls because unless one was there most would not believe..Adjust to changing conditions.
I've been visiting Philippines since 2009. I am an Asian dude.
Power shifts from one to another as below:
American - Korean - Chinese.
American thinking Korean ruined what once was a heavenly place.
Korean thinking Chinese ruined what once was a heavenly place.
It costs about $150 roundtrip to travel from Korea to Angeles. Their after-tax salary is about $3,000 and most of them pay about $500 for rent. Perfect condition to become a weekend warrior, hence so many Korean coming to Angeles. They hop on airplane at 10 pm on Friday night, come back home on Monday 2 am flight arrival to Seoul at 5 am. Going to work at 9 am.
Their comfort level is 4 k peso for LT.
You may notice that you see more and more Korean coming to Angeles.
That's due to Chinese invasion to Manila. Chinese run all kinds of online scam and online gambling in PH. Typical Chinese in Manila at their 20's make about $2,000 to $20,000 a month, tax-free. Their comfort level for girls is like 10 k-30 k peso.
In Manila, all of those 9+ girls are exclusively occupied by Chinese.
In Angeles, most of 9+ girls work at JTV, which requires a couple days of "courting" and 20 k to fuck a girl.
Korean who doesn't have Chinese deep pocket, use their weapons to get girls: cleaner look, better hygiene, being more fun / sweet to girls.
Westerner use their weapons to get girls: PH girls tend to think Asian boys are not really open to real relationship w / puta leading to marriage while Westerners care less.
I won't go into the times that three or four of us closed down bars for several hours and were alone with 30 or 40 naked girls because unless one was there most would not believe.
Hahahaha. Very true. I arrived in Asia from one of the despot ruled, strife ridden countries that most expats seem to rotate through least one. I too couldn't go home and discuss people hacking each other up with machetes, death threats or living behind razor wire. Civilians wouldn't believe us so it remained undiscussed.
Then I relocated to Asia, the pendulum swung the other way and the uninitiated back home just could not compute how good life could be. It was totally pointless trying to explain what was now the new norm.
To add to your list of old favourites, mine was definitely the bar crawl with a few buddies and a gaggle of girls in tow, all up to no good with each other or us at every stop.
Enjoy. G.
Fastpiston
05-22-23, 22:59
I think the golden years of Angeles were probably the mid 90's to 2000, imagine the scene.
Every single bar in Angeles was full of fully naked brown skin doe eyed girls brought in direct from places like Samar, most girls aged between 18 and 20 years, beautiful toned bodies, great happy attitude, no tattoos, no sign of baby damage and no mobile phone in hand.
Buy a lady drink and that girl will be down giving a sample blowjob immediately right there in the bar, all girls knew that barfine meant standard long time, as many pops as the customer could muster, never had a dud girl in performance or attitude, no runners, no complaints, hell most days it would be a massive struggle to get the bargirls to leave ones room at 2 pm in the afternoon after fucking all night.
I won't go into the times that three or four of us closed down bars for several hours and were alone with 30 or 40 naked girls because unless one was there most would not believe.
Alas those golden days are long gone, the fun of visiting Angeles has long gone, what is left is a shadow of the past, unless the bars can attract some good looking slim girls with a good attitude that actually want to barfine with westerners then I'm afraid that many would be western punters to Angeles will not want to fly halfway around the world at Great expense, look around the town at how few westerners are in town, it seems most have already voted with their feet not to visit. Not long now and the Asians will have 100% control of everything in Angeles IMHO.From what I have seen myself and from impartial comments, Angeles is degrading very fast will soon be a spent force.
This should not be a surprise to anyone. Same story in places like Pattaya. The reasons are obvious:
1) As economies advance quickly, alternative more socially acceptable and safer employment becomes readily available.
2) COVID taught the more attractive professional ladies that they can earn big money online from their own homes.
3) Those who still bar work are attractive will gravitate to the big tourist trap bars where there is far bigger easy money all round. This leaves the smaller bars struggling to survive.
NapaSlapper
05-23-23, 01:36
Adjust to changing conditions.I think you will find there is a big world out there, many much bigger asian mongering destinations offer pretty young girls by the thousands that all have no problems in fucking with all nationalities for similar prices.
Why have to settle for bait and switch and low quality girls in angeles, the answer is clearly most punters are not and have moved on, hence why angeles is very very quiet for westerners and other nearby destinations are very busy.
A Traveler
05-23-23, 07:44
I disagree with some of the posters here, who seem to be trying to actively discourage people from coming for some reason. Sure, we can't go back to the glory days, but it's fine here. Yeah, there are a lot of ugly girls (they are all slim), but pretties can be found. You just have to find the bars that have good girls, which will take a little bar hopping. There are plenty of Western guys here having fun, some with pretty young girls on their arms. Don't rule out the Korean bars where the girls are sitting on stage playing with their phones. I spotted a girl I liked at Bunny and asked a waitress to bring her over. With these girls it's probably best to feed her and take her straight home. The boom boom was top notch, she spent the night, and she didn't act like my girlfriend, which I saw as a plus.
I disagree with some of the posters here, who seem to be trying to actively discourage people from coming for some reason. Sure, we can't go back to the glory days, but it's fine here. Yeah, there are a lot of ugly girls (they are all slim), but pretties can be found. You just have to find the bars that have good girls, which will take a little bar hopping. There are plenty of Western guys here having fun, some with pretty young girls on their arms. Don't rule out the Korean bars where the girls are sitting on stage playing with their phones. I spotted a girl I liked at Bunny and asked a waitress to bring her over. With these girls it's probably best to feed her and take her straight home. The boom boom was top notch, she spent the night, and she didn't act like my girlfriend, which I saw as a plus.Thanks for the report, you shed some light against the nostalgia lovers.
I still have a month and a few days left before I go there, and it's nice to read occasionally that you can have a good time in those lands.
By the way, sorry if this is an obvious question, but how do I distinguish the "Korean" bars from the rest?
A Traveler
05-24-23, 06:41
Thank you, yes, the past is gone and we have to make due with what's available now. Where else in the world is there a street of bars where you can easily take girls out for boom boom? Sure, it takes more hunting, but fun can be found here. Even the glory days of the closest competitor, Thailand, are gone. Gone are the days of Rawhide or Sheeba's on Soi Cowboy with stages full of naked 18 year old's.
Anyways, back to present-day Angeles, it's easy to tell the difference between Western bars (Lollipop, La Bamba, Shooters) and K-bars (Bunny, Penguin, Cosplay, Skyfall). At the former the uniform is probably bikinis (although Monsoon and some other bars are moving in the dress direction), energy levels are probably high, girls might look at you and smile and try to get you to call them down, and old music will probably be playing. At K-bars girls are probably wearing dresses or evening gowns, will just be standing on stage or even sitting, and the most contact you get might be a smile. They tend to play more modern music. The Korean owner may be outside welcoming you in. Our pesos are as good as Koreans' so we are welcome in their bars. An annoying trend in these bars is a roaming "DJ" that "sings" and "raps" over the music. "DJ's" have also sat next to me and tried to push me to take a girl.
Perhaps a third category of bars could be considered the big show bars like Dollhouse and XS. There are some pretties in these, but I'm not sure if they are barfin-eable or how the boom boom would be since the girls are considered "models".
WestCoast1
05-24-23, 06:58
Thanks for the report, you shed some light against the nostalgia lovers.
I still have a month and a few days left before I go there, and it's nice to read occasionally that you can have a good time in those lands.
By the way, sorry if this is an obvious question, but how do I distinguish the "Korean" bars from the rest?Can you distinguish Koreans from Filipinos? If yes, you will notice in the Korean bars probably at least one Korean man standing / sitting outside the bar (possibly watching the door barker girls), and several more inside the bar watching operations (watching the bartender and cash register, another watching waitresses). These are clearly employees (or co-owners, as other employees rarely interact with them) whose purpose appears to be to keep service up to their standard. Korean customers will be fawned over, while western customers might appear to be ignored. OTOH if you can't distinguish K / F's, you might never notice any of that. Also Napa has previously delineated a list of K and non-K bars.
Napa? Others? Here is a link to one of Napa's previous reports on Western / Korean bars:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2784254&viewfull=1#post2784254
Expat American
05-24-23, 07:38
I think the golden years of Angeles were probably the mid 90's to 2000, imagine the scene.
Every single bar in Angeles was full of fully naked brown skin doe eyed girls brought in direct from places like Samar, most girls aged between 18 and 20 years, beautiful toned bodies, great happy attitude, no tattoos, no sign of baby damage and no mobile phone in hand.
Buy a lady drink and that girl will be down giving a sample blowjob immediately right there in the bar, all girls knew that barfine meant standard long time, as many pops as the customer could muster, never had a dud girl in performance or attitude, no runners, no complaints, hell most days it would be a massive struggle to get the bargirls to leave ones room at 2 pm in the afternoon after fucking all night.
I won't go into the times that three or four of us closed down bars for several hours and were alone with 30 or 40 naked girls because unless one was there most would not believe.
Alas those golden days are long gone, the fun of visiting Angeles has long gone, what is left is a shadow of the past, unless the bars can attract some good looking slim girls with a good attitude that actually want to barfine with westerners then I'm afraid that many would be western punters to Angeles will not want to fly halfway around the world at Great expense, look around the town at how few westerners are in town, it seems most have already voted with their feet not to visit. Not long now and the Asians will have 100% control of everything in Angeles IMHO.My first trip was probably 2004. Probably fucked 4 girls a day at 500 to 1000 P per girl. Bars were insane. Wild girls all over you. Ladies drinks 100-125 P. And girls would grind on you for an hour for one or two drinks each. I remember buying 2 or 3 girls a drink and was drowning it tits and had tongues all over me. Had girls follow me out of the bar without even paying a barfine and hanging out for 2 days with me. One visit a friend and I had a 18 and 19 yo non pro girls for 3 days for nothing more than meals. Honestly, I am willing to pay 3 X what I paid back then but the same experience is just not available at any price.
Can you distinguish Koreans from Filipinos? If yes, you will notice in the Korean bars probably at least one Korean man standing / sitting outside the bar (possibly watching the door barker girls), and several more inside the bar watching operations (watching the bartender and cash register, another watching waitresses). These are clearly employees (or co-owners, as other employees rarely interact with them) whose purpose appears to be to keep service up to their standard. Korean customers will be fawned over, while western customers might appear to be ignored. OTOH if you can't distinguish K / F's, you might never notice any of that. Also Napa has previously delineated a list of K and non-K bars.
Napa? Others? Here is a link to one of Napa's previous reports on Western / Korean bars:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2784254&viewfull=1#post2784254Got it, thanks a lot. I've watched videos of the walking street where, indeed, there were one or two Koreans outside the bar, so now I think I'll be able to tell distinguish them. Cheers.
Thank you, yes, the past is gone and we have to make due with what's available now. Where else in the world is there a street of bars where you can easily take girls out for boom boom? Sure, it takes more hunting, but fun can be found here. Even the glory days of the closest competitor, Thailand, are gone. Gone are the days of Rawhide or Sheeba's on Soi Cowboy with stages full of naked 18 year old's.
Anyways, back to present-day Angeles, it's easy to tell the difference between Western bars (Lollipop, La Bamba, Shooters) and K-bars (Bunny, Penguin, Cosplay, Skyfall). At the former the uniform is probably bikinis (although Monsoon and some other bars are moving in the dress direction), energy levels are probably high, girls might look at you and smile and try to get you to call them down, and old music will probably be playing. At K-bars girls are probably wearing dresses or evening gowns, will just be standing on stage or even sitting, and the most contact you get might be a smile. They tend to play more modern music. The Korean owner may be outside welcoming you in. Our pesos are as good as Koreans' so we are welcome in their bars. An annoying trend in these bars is a roaming "DJ" that "sings" and "raps" over the music. "DJ's" have also sat next to me and tried to push me to take a girl.
Perhaps a third category of bars could be considered the big show bars like Dollhouse and XS. There are some pretties in these, but I'm not sure if they are barfin-eable or how the boom boom would be since the girls are considered "models".Sorry, didn't see your response earlier. Thanks for the info, it's all crystal clear to me. I probably won't go to any Korean bars, maybe I'll swing by one night just to check it out, but not to barfine, hahaha. Cheers!
A Traveler
05-25-23, 05:22
I'm pretty happy with my experience so far. Last night I was going to do a barhop but only made it to two bars. I've always had more luck at the bars off Walking Street, so I started at Insomnia at 6 pm. Some cute girls there, and some tall, slim young beauties. Energy was low with girls just standing around. Maybe because it was early in the evening and not many customers.
Camelot had some sort of cute girls, and they were sort of dancing. Moderate number of Asian customers.
Brown Sugar was my final destination. It's an old-fashioned Western-style bar where the girls will work it and try to get you to buy them drinks and take them out. This is either annoying if you're not interested in them, or awesome if you are. It was the latter in this case because a package deal of a a 20-year old local and a 24-year old from Mindanao were flirting with me. I finally found an elusive 20-year-old and a Mindanao girl. They were upfront about wanting to go out and I'm a two-week millionaire, so I paid the astronomical 8,000 barfines and took them back. It wasn't really a three-way since the younger girl was shy and hid in the bathroom, but it was good boom boom with two young girls.
After a couple weeks it's almost time for me to go back to the West, but this place is starting to come into its own. I have WhatsApp contacts, so I could have girls come over for repeats instead of having to go out to the bars and pull new girls. It takes some time to build the contact here, but if you stay long enough it becomes more rewarding.
NapaSlapper
05-25-23, 06:59
I disagree with some of the posters here, who seem to be trying to actively discourage people from coming for some reason. Sure, we can't go back to the glory days, but it's fine here. Yeah, there are a lot of ugly girls (they are all slim), but pretties can be found. You just have to find the bars that have good girls, which will take a little bar hopping. There are plenty of Western guys here having fun, some with pretty young girls on their arms. Don't rule out the Korean bars where the girls are sitting on stage playing with their phones. I spotted a girl I liked at Bunny and asked a waitress to bring her over. With these girls it's probably best to feed her and take her straight home. The boom boom was top notch, she spent the night, and she didn't act like my girlfriend, which I saw as a plus.Actively trying to discourage people from coming? I think you will find that members are just writing up their true experiences and being honest which is exactly the purpose of this board.
As you have admitted yourself, there is a hell of alot of damn ugly old ladies in angeles bars, further the only way one could possibly describe angeles girls as mostly not being fat is if one normally lives in a country where the normal female is 200 lbs +, for those that are not in angeles a quick you tube view will show the huge amount of fatties on the streets, hell the door girl at monsoon has got so many rolls of fat she probably has not seen her puki in years.
As far as your comment of where else in the world can one find bar girls but angeles then I would suggest reading the boards hundreds of places around the world have the same and also some nearby destinations have more girls in one street than the whole of the phills put together, further you claim other places do not have fully nude girls on offer now then I would fully disagree, thailand has many bars where the girls are topless, fully naked and indulging in naked lesbian shows, as I said previously, the world is a massive place.
NapaSlapper
05-25-23, 07:23
My first trip was probably 2004. Probably fucked 4 girls a day at 500 to 1000 P per girl. Bars were insane. Wild girls all over you. Ladies drinks 100-125 P. And girls would grind on you for an hour for one or two drinks each. I remember buying 2 or 3 girls a drink and was drowning it tits and had tongues all over me. Had girls follow me out of the bar without even paying a barfine and hanging out for 2 days with me. One visit a friend and I had a 18 and 19 yo non pro girls for 3 days for nothing more than meals. Honestly, I am willing to pay 3 X what I paid back then but the same experience is just not available at any price.Yes indeed, angeles was once a top crazy place, so many beautiful young girls to choose from, hell sometimes I could not make my mind up and just ended up barfing the lot, the prices were so cheap why not.
Yes fully agree that such is just not available in angeles any more, some say adjust with the times, lower the girl bar and be happy, I say why should one have to spend a fortune to get to angeles, pay the extortunate barfines now being quoted by mainly very low quality girls, hell I live 20 minutes from the action and many nights I prefer to stay home and watch tv rather than head out, if I was having to pay 4-500 usd per bargirl once long travel, hotel etc costs are taken into account I would be a very unhappy punter indeed.
NapaSlapper
05-25-23, 14:51
Can you distinguish Koreans from Filipinos? If yes, you will notice in the Korean bars probably at least one Korean man standing / sitting outside the bar (possibly watching the door barker girls), and several more inside the bar watching operations (watching the bartender and cash register, another watching waitresses). These are clearly employees (or co-owners, as other employees rarely interact with them) whose purpose appears to be to keep service up to their standard. Korean customers will be fawned over, while western customers might appear to be ignored. OTOH if you can't distinguish K / F's, you might never notice any of that. Also Napa has previously delineated a list of K and non-K bars.
Napa? Others? Here is a link to one of Napa's previous reports on Western / Korean bars:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2784254&viewfull=1#post2784254Dear westy your description is pretty much spot on.
Off the top of my head bars that are very high (mostly 100%) asian punters are, xs club, club sky, avalon bar, QBar, casino bar, atlantis bar, club nana, Hi quality bar, if I'm out with asian clients this is where I take them, the few better looking girls angeles has to offer will be found here, some girls barfine, some are drinks only, many girls will only drink with asians.
Bars that are popular with asians but sometimes see westerners in very small numbers, dollhouse bar, carousel bar, arabesque bar, baccara bar, cosplay bar, skyfalls bar, monsoon bar, can find a diamond in the rough on occasions but they are mostly scooped up by the asians early.
Bars with more westerners than asians but can be quiet on many nights for punters and girl numbers, shooters bar, vikings bar, la bamba bar, lollipop bar, geckos bar, lucifer bar, girls older, fatter, plain janes mainly, but will barfine with westerners.
Think I have mentioned most of the walking st bars, hope that helps some noobies out.
I think the golden years of Angeles were probably the mid 90's to 2000I'd say a decade earlier, in the final years of Clark AFB. Manila and Bangkok reached peak raunch in the '80's but AC was a level beyond even that. Clark was the biggest US overseas base in the world and the bar scene was huge, extending around to MacArthur and 1st Street and stretching from Fields down Perimeter all the way to Friendship. I doubt if there's ever been anything else like it anywhere.
When the US left in '91 most people figured the bars would die. But some of them dusted themselves off from Pinatubo and got going again. Then, as you say, it got good again from the mid '90's, though smaller than before.
Now it's shrunken further and the Koreans have taken over most of it. Some people don't want to deal with that, and that's OK. But those of us who've been here for a long time have adapted before and now we're doing it again. You've got to work harder to find good girls but when you do it's as much fun as ever.
DzikaBomba
05-26-23, 19:19
But those of us who've been here for a long time have adapted before and now we're doing it again. You've got to work harder to find good girls but when you do it's as much fun as ever.Not worth the hassle anymore. Better adapt to an other continent free of koreans and American Costa Rica mongers.
Are. I. P. Phillipines.
A Traveler
05-27-23, 06:11
I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.
The City.
The Philippines is poor, and the is reflected in this place. The town is run-down, it's inferno-hot outside, and there's nothing to do during the day besides bars, which I'm not into during daytime. Being constantly pestered by the viagra / cialis / vallium / morphine guys annoys me to no end and puts me in a bad mood. Old homeless ladies in sexy dresses try to sell me massages. Trike drivers shout when I walk by. I get into the mode here of looking straight ahead and avoiding eye contact. I'm not interested in constantly engaging with these people.
The Accommodations.
There's not much in the way of nice, modern hotels here. The One Euphoria Airbnb seemed like a good idea. It's nice and modern. However, it's a tiny studio so it feels like a hotel room. Worst of all cleaning is not included and is expensive. It's nice not being forced to leave the room for cleaning, but it's better to have the room cleaned every couple days by a Hotel. The super-fast internet, big screen and Netflix is great. In the future it would be nice to have a little sofa or reading chair instead of just a little desk since I'm sitting around the room all day reading because there's no where better to go.
The Food.
Some people like the food here so more power to them. For me it's terrible. The few restaurants on Fields serve burgers, pizza, pasta, chicken cordon blue (who eats this in real life?
Wienerschnitzel, sausages. It's hard to find vegetables and healthy food. I've had most meal at Envy since the ambiance outside is decent and the food is OK.
Noise-cancelling headphones are a must for me since these places are always playing loud music, even at 8 am.
The Girls.
This is the reason we come and this cancels out all the negatives above. Fields is a very compact, walkable street with girly bars. It's easy-peasy point and click, buy a girl you like a drink, pay her barfine and take her home. Some bars are good and some are bad, bad meaning not having attractive girls. This changes day-by-day and even hour-by hour with shift changes and girls being barfined. To have the best experience you will have to spend time visiting the bars and scoping out girls. No need to get drunk if you don't want to. You can order water or Coke to keep a clearer head and pick more carefully. I did have some bad nights where all the bars I visited didn't have any good talent, or the good ones had already been barfined. But I had more good nights than bad.
It's usually worth sitting down and ordering a drink as long as there are a few girls on stage, even if you are not interested in them. There's usually a second round of dancers after about 20 minutes, and sometimes a hot girl will materialize out of the ether.
It will take some time to figure out the good and bad bars. While I was there fun bars with pretty ladies where Gekos, Shooters, Old Bar and Brown Sugar. Lot's of hot young girls and if you find one or two you like they will keep you entertained. They will work it so you will want to barfine them. I wasn't impressed with Lollipop.
Bars that cater to our Asian friends have pretty ladies but are not as "fun". The prettiest ones may get taken out early in the evening. Bunny, Skyfall, Genesis, Baccara had pretties. These bars are kind of low-energy and the girls aren't as flirty, but if you see a girl you like you can tell a waitress who you like and she will call her down. I took a Bunny girl and was a satisfied customer for two nights in a row. Of course after I picked my girl a super-hot girl appeared. Now that it's my last night I'm contemplating going back and trying to pull off the fabled switcharoo.
I didn't spend much time in the big showbars like Dollhouse and XS. I'm guessing buying drinks for girls in these bars would be a waste of money since they are "models".
I didn't try any of the online options, so I can't speak to that.
And sadly I didn't encounter any roaming massage girls on the street (other than the aforementioned old homeless ladies).
The Cost.
Unfortunately this is no longer a budget destination. Barfines are 4,000 PHP. The good news is that guarantees long-time and there is no concept of short-time, meaning there is no discount for less time. Lady drinks are 350 PHP, so you have to be careful to only buy one drink for a girl you are interested in. Use that time to figure out if you want to boom boom her and ask her if she wants to go out.
I've spent $2,000 USD just in cash over 14 days, but I spent freely since I am on paid vacation.
I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.
The City.
The Philippines is poor, and the is reflected in this place. The town is run-down, it's inferno-hot outside, and there's nothing to do during the day besides bars, which I'm not into during daytime. Being constantly pestered by the viagra / cialis / vallium / morphine guys annoys me to no end and puts me in a bad mood. Old homeless ladies in sexy dresses try to sell me massages. Trike drivers shout when I walk by. I get into the mode here of looking straight ahead and avoiding eye contact. I'm not interested in constantly engaging with these people..Glad you enjoyed your trip. It is what you make of it.
You're right about the inner parts of the city based around fields there is nothing else to do however there is more in the surrounding areas to burn some time in the day instead of hanging around the hotel. You could take a non pro around if you know any.
- Go karting at Clark speed way. I think there's another somewhere nearby too.
- Aqua planet waterpark.
- Puning hot springs.
- There's a few golf courses, driving ranges and a few places with golf simulators. I met a girl on Tinder who was working as a 'caddy' in a place that was doing video golf / simulator.
- Paradise ranch.
- Various mt pinatubo tours.
- Car rentals.
- goshen resort. Ride atvs.
- Casinos if that's your thing.
- Various parks to walk around.
Many more. Quality and service in some places won't meet Western standards but there's stuff to do instead of staying in the hotel all day.
I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.Thanks for your report. Very useful. I hope I have the same fun as you.
I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.
The City.
The Philippines is poor, and the is reflected in this place. The town is run-down, it's inferno-hot outside, and there's nothing to do during the day besides bars, which I'm not into during daytime. Being constantly pestered by the viagra / cialis / vallium / morphine guys annoys me to no end and puts me in a bad mood. Old homeless ladies in sexy dresses try to sell me massages. Trike drivers shout when I walk by. I get into the mode here of looking straight ahead and avoiding eye contact. I'm not interested in constantly engaging with these people.
The Accommodations.
There's not much in the way of nice, modern hotels here. The One Euphoria Airbnb seemed like a good idea. It's nice and modern. However, it's a tiny studio so it feels like a hotel room. Worst of all cleaning is not included and is expensive. It's nice not being forced to leave the room for cleaning, but it's better to have the room cleaned every couple days by a Hotel. The super-fast internet, big screen and Netflix is great. In the future it would be nice to have a little sofa or reading chair instead of just a little desk since I'm sitting around the room all day reading because there's no where better to go.
The Food.
Some people like the food here so more power to them. For me it's terrible. The few restaurants on Fields serve burgers, pizza, pasta, chicken cordon blue (who eats this in real life?
Wienerschnitzel, sausages. It's hard to find vegetables and healthy food. I've had most meal at Envy since the ambiance outside is decent and the food is OK.
Noise-cancelling headphones are a must for me since these places are always playing loud music, even at 8 am.
The Girls.
This is the reason we come and this cancels out all the negatives above. Fields is a very compact, walkable street with girly bars. It's easy-peasy point and click, buy a girl you like a drink, pay her barfine and take her home. Some bars are good and some are bad, bad meaning not having attractive girls. This changes day-by-day and even hour-by hour with shift changes and girls being barfined. To have the best experience you will have to spend time visiting the bars and scoping out girls. No need to get drunk if you don't want to. You can order water or Coke to keep a clearer head and pick more carefully. I did have some bad nights where all the bars I visited didn't have any good talent, or the good ones had already been barfined. But I had more good nights than bad.
It's usually worth sitting down and ordering a drink as long as there are a few girls on stage, even if you are not interested in them. There's usually a second round of dancers after about 20 minutes, and sometimes a hot girl will materialize out of the ether.
It will take some time to figure out the good and bad bars. While I was there fun bars with pretty ladies where Gekos, Shooters, Old Bar and Brown Sugar. Lot's of hot young girls and if you find one or two you like they will keep you entertained. They will work it so you will want to barfine them. I wasn't impressed with Lollipop.
Bars that cater to our Asian friends have pretty ladies but are not as "fun". The prettiest ones may get taken out early in the evening. Bunny, Skyfall, Genesis, Baccara had pretties. These bars are kind of low-energy and the girls aren't as flirty, but if you see a girl you like you can tell a waitress who you like and she will call her down. I took a Bunny girl and was a satisfied customer for two nights in a row. Of course after I picked my girl a super-hot girl appeared. Now that it's my last night I'm contemplating going back and trying to pull off the fabled switcharoo.
I didn't spend much time in the big showbars like Dollhouse and XS. I'm guessing buying drinks for girls in these bars would be a waste of money since they are "models".
I didn't try any of the online options, so I can't speak to that.
And sadly I didn't encounter any roaming massage girls on the street (other than the aforementioned old homeless ladies).
The Cost.
Unfortunately this is no longer a budget destination. Barfines are 4,000 PHP. The good news is that guarantees long-time and there is no concept of short-time, meaning there is no discount for less time. Lady drinks are 350 PHP, so you have to be careful to only buy one drink for a girl you are interested in. Use that time to figure out if you want to boom boom her and ask her if she wants to go out.
I've spent $2,000 USD just in cash over 14 days, but I spent freely since I am on paid vacation.Glad you had a good time. It is all what you make of it.
NapaSlapper
05-28-23, 01:46
Been reading that barfines in Angeles are 4,000 peso, well yes if one only sticks to the western bars that have the lower quality older ladies then yes most girls are 4,000 pesos, want anything that is younger, thinner and ok looking then the only place to find these type of girls is in the Asian orientated bars where the girls all demand 5,000 pesos + .
I keep reading Angeles is what you make of it well lets examine that statement a bit closer.
1, Walk into any of the Angeles bars that employ better looking girls, see a girl you like, try to get her attention, only she will not look at you because you are not her customer type (Asian).
2, call a girl down for a drink, you buy a few drinks only to be told when it is time to barfine that she has suddenly got her mens and can't barfine, that she is Korean only, that she is a drinks only girl, that she is a cherrie girl, that she will only barfine short time (1 hour) when the punter wants long time, that she won't give a blow job, when the punter wants one, that she will only fuck with a condom when the punter can't get a hard on with a condom etc, what exactly can a punter do about this to make its what YOU make of it, in reality a punter can't make anything of it, it is out of his hands and will feel disappointed that he wasted money and time on nothing he had control of.
Of course if its what you make of it means just accepting that westerners are not top dog anymore and have to accept the girls the Asians don't want in order to get laid then all power to those guys.
Latest barhops see Angeles very very quiet, many western bars are struggling to put bums on seats and because revenue is not coming in they will not pay the higher salaries and commissions the better looking, younger girls demand, its catch 22,don't have the punters then there is no available funds to improve the punter experience.
Asian bars are busy most of the week but are very busy at weekends, Asians still throwing money around like its going out of fashion and obviously are getting the girl attention.
With every passing barhop it seems more Asians are in town, more Asians are scooping up every available pretty girl around, the Asian vans that deliver bargirls direct are getting more in number.
As I said previously, not long now and Angeles will be 100% bought up and run by the Asians, its already happened in a big way IMHO.
I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.... Thanks for this information.
No comparing to the past and complaining about the difference. Just a good overall description of the current situation from your perspective.
I'm writing this for guys like me that are contemplating a two week vacation and trying to decide if Angeles City is worth the long flight. In short I say yes, go for it and book that trip. I'd consider this a successful trip and I will return. I banged 10 attractive ladies over my 14 days, a slow pace that gave me time to rest and recuperate since I don't like going out every night or during the day.
The City.
The Philippines is poor, and the is reflected in this place. The town is run-down, it's inferno-hot outside, and there's nothing to do during the day besides bars, which I'm not into during daytime. Being constantly pestered by the viagra / cialis / vallium / morphine guys annoys me to no end and puts me in a bad mood. Old homeless ladies in sexy dresses try to sell me massages. Trike drivers shout when I walk by. I get into the mode here of looking straight ahead and avoiding eye contact. I'm not interested in constantly engaging with these people.
The Accommodations.
There's not much in the way of nice, modern hotels here. The One Euphoria Airbnb seemed like a good idea. It's nice and modern. However, it's a tiny studio so it feels like a hotel room. Worst of all cleaning is not included and is expensive. It's nice not being forced to leave the room for cleaning, but it's better to have the room cleaned every couple days by a Hotel. The super-fast internet, big screen and Netflix is great. In the future it would be nice to have a little sofa or reading chair instead of just a little desk since I'm sitting around the room all day reading because there's no where better to go.Thanks am a mid 30's guy who is a vet in the USA with escorts and hookers. I just did my first trip to Thailand.
A few months ago. And needed a review like this for my trip to the Philippines.
A Traveler
05-28-23, 03:26
Thanks for the encouragement. I was in kind of a bad mood when I wrote that due to lack of sleep. To clarify I think The Philippines is awesome and I've traveled all around the country and enjoyed myself. I just tend to get lazy and complain when I spend time in Angeles. But it's the easiest place to get girls in the Philippines, so I will be back, maybe for two months next year. A longer stay would be different because I can't sustain this level of spending.
Quick update on the Bunny girl that was stuck in my head. I figured she wouldn't go with me but I'm glad I tried. I used to be shy but I've learned you have to be decisive in bars like that and ask for what you want. Either she just doesn't go with foreigners, or she was creeped out by me ogling her when I was with my previous girl. Can't say I blame her. Other girls would have been willing to go with me but she's the only one I wanted.
I gave mama a small tip for helping me and for some reason she gave me her Facebook. Maybe if I wasn't flying out of the country today I could message her to try to work something out.
NapaSlapper
05-28-23, 03:35
From what I have seen myself and from impartial comments, Angeles is degrading very fast will soon be a spent force.
This should not be a surprise to anyone. Same story in places like Pattaya. The reasons are obvious:
1) As economies advance quickly, alternative more socially acceptable and safer employment becomes readily available.
2) COVID taught the more attractive professional ladies that they can earn big money online from their own homes.
3) Those who still bar work are attractive will gravitate to the big tourist trap bars where there is far bigger easy money all round. This leaves the smaller bars struggling to survive.Yes indeed, as economies advance and more jobs become available, more young girls want to study further education in order to secure a good job then the need to swing ones ass in a gogo bar becomes less appealing.
Yes indeed covid taught many would be bargirls that an attractive young girl can just put her profile online stating wanting to meet new friends and she will have every lonely heart the world over drooling and sending money to her mostly without ever meeting her, know of many girls that earn great money doing just this.
Yes indeed, any girl who is even reasonably ok looking and want to work in Angeles bars will naturally gravitate to the bigger bars that pay well and have structures in place to earn high commissions from lady drinks, large sitting tips, and making it rain money etc, why sit in a western bar with very few customers if any at all, lower salaries, lower drinks commissions and no chance of tips or making it rain money, and lower barfine commissions, girls are in the business of making as much easy money as possible and do exactly what suits them and not the punters pockets.
As far as Pattaya, yes not as good as years gone past, but the sheer size of it, the high number of bars, the thousands of available bargirls, freelancers compared to Angeles city has it far far in front in girl choice and fun factor IMHO.
Thanks for the encouragement. I was in kind of a bad mood when I wrote that due to lack of sleep. To clarify I think The Philippines is awesome and I've traveled all around the country and enjoyed myself. I just tend to get lazy and complain when I spend time in Angeles. But it's the easiest place to get girls in the Philippines, so I will be back, maybe for two months next year. A longer stay would be different because I can't sustain this level of spending.
Quick update on the Bunny girl that was stuck in my head. I figured she wouldn't go with me but I'm glad I tried. I used to be shy but I've learned you have to be decisive in bars like that and ask for what you want. Either she just doesn't go with foreigners, or she was creeped out by me ogling her when I was with my previous girl. Can't say I blame her. Other girls would have been willing to go with me but she's the only one I wanted.
I gave mama a small tip for helping me and for some reason she gave me her Facebook. Maybe if I wasn't flying out of the country today I could message her to try to work something out.One of the reasons that a bg may not barfine with you that night is that she has a scheduled day off the next day with plans. Most bars have a rule if the bg does a barfine then she has to come to work the next day whether or not it is a scheduled day off. There is a heavy penalty if she doesn't come to work the next day. It might be lost of salary and or commissions. This rule with the penalties are to prevent the bg from doing "sneak outs" on her day off. Some bg may have a lackluster day at the bar because they were BF the night before and they just want to get through the mandatory work day.
I have had girls tell me that before and experienced it a few times when I wanted to BF a girl.
Locamotive
05-29-23, 00:13
From what I have seen myself and from impartial comments, Angeles is degrading very fast will soon be a spent force.
This should not be a surprise to anyone. Same story in places like Pattaya. The reasons are obvious:
1) As economies advance quickly, alternative more socially acceptable and safer employment becomes readily available.
2) COVID taught the more attractive professional ladies that they can earn big money online from their own homes.
3) Those who still bar work are attractive will gravitate to the big tourist trap bars where there is far bigger easy money all round. This leaves the smaller bars struggling to survive.I wouldn't give up on Angeles just yet. The US military is coming back in a big way and I'm sure this will help. Has Western traffic dropped off some especially from US, yes it it has. The ticket prices pushing $3000 roundtrip has put a damper on some visiting, myself included. This will in time calm down as most won't pay that just to get there. Even now if you look out August or September you can see prices half that. The real beauties may use the internet a bit more but face to face is always better, for them and you. Makati in Manila seems to be opening new bars, old Ringside as example this week. Someone sees business getting better at least by their investments. Give it time, Angeles will be fine too and return to normal eventually.
I wouldn't give up on Angeles just yet. The US military is coming back in a big way and I'm sure this will help. Has Western traffic dropped off some especially from US, yes it it has. The ticket prices pushing $3000 roundtrip has put a damper on some visiting, myself included. This will in time calm down as most won't pay that just to get there. Even now if you look out August or September you can see prices half that. The real beauties may use the internet a bit more but face to face is always better, for them and you. Makati in Manila seems to be opening new bars, old Ringside as example this week. Someone sees business getting better at least by their investments. Give it time, Angeles will be fine too and return to normal eventually.US military will only improve it for those who are already able to enjoy it as it is now. If one isn't even able to compete with beta East Asians then they're not going to be able to compete with young fit soldiers in their 20's.
SergioAgu93
05-30-23, 12:22
Thanks for the report, you shed some light against the nostalgia lovers.
I still have a month and a few days left before I go there, and it's nice to read occasionally that you can have a good time in those lands.
By the way, sorry if this is an obvious question, but how do I distinguish the "Korean" bars from the rest?Korean bars are usually cleaner, more modern sofas etc, smoking allowed, peanuts / popcorn with drink, quicker to get served a drink and the CR has hand dryers not a towel that is older than the mamasan.
Negative points are most girls seem to favour Koreans, and they favour a male MC shouting over the music and the sound of a bull horn every 3 minutes.
I've always felt welcome but have seldom BF form one.
US military will only improve it for those who are already able to enjoy it as it is now. If one isn't even able to compete with beta East Asians then they're not going to be able to compete with young fit soldiers in their 20's.I seriously doubt any of the US Military will have shore leave let alone be allowed to go to girlie bars. US will not risk the embarrassment of drunken men and women on leave to torpedo the new agreements. There has not been any shore leave to bars since the navy man killing the trans about 7 years ago.
Last month on my flight from Guam to Manila there were quite a few navy personnel on the flight within 3 rows of me going to Subic. I offered to buy them a drink and all responded their orders clearly stated "No Alcohol " on the trip at all. Also when they landed in Manila they were to wait at the airport for the military transport directly to Subic.
Korean bars are usually cleaner, more modern sofas etc, smoking allowed, peanuts / popcorn with drink, quicker to get served a drink and the CR has hand dryers not a towel that is older than the mamasan.
Negative points are most girls seem to favour Koreans, and they favour a male MC shouting over the music and the sound of a bull horn every 3 minutes.
I've always felt welcome but have seldom BF form one.Thanks for your answer Sergio, I will check most of the bars but I guess I will finish the night in one no Korean oriented.
I seriously doubt any of the US Military will have shore leave let alone be allowed to go to girlie bars. US will not risk the embarrassment of drunken men and women on leave to torpedo the new agreements. There has not been any shore leave to bars since the navy man killing the trans about 7 years ago.
Last month on my flight from Guam to Manila there were quite a few navy personnel on the flight within 3 rows of me going to Subic. I offered to buy them a drink and all responded their orders clearly stated "No Alcohol " on the trip at all. Also when they landed in Manila they were to wait at the airport for the military transport directly to Subic.Agree, but will they be able to go to massage parlors and hook up with indies?
Agree, but will they be able to go to massage parlors and hook up with indies?I am sure those would be against orders. I doubt any military personnel would disobey the orders. I am aware some ships have docked at Subic and no personnel have ventured near a gray area.
Higher ups are scared of creating an international incident jeopardizing any agreements with the Philippines government and worse with the Filipinos.
Mr Enternational
05-31-23, 01:28
I seriously doubt any of the US Military will have shore leave let alone be allowed to go to girlie bars.They can have liberty, but they are restricted from those places and activities. It is not the military of years gone by. It used to be the first place we would go was the place they told us not to go. These days they mean it.
My cousin's boat stopped in Rio and they could not even partake of the great delicacies the place has to offer. Comedian Eddie Griffin said the reason most people go into the military is to get exotic pussy. Unfortunately that option has been pretty much taken off the table.
A couple of years ago here in Thailand the US Military was in town. An incident happened and a buddy of mine was called on in the middle of the night to go translate. An 18 year old Marine had met a chick online. Him and his buddy hooked up with her and her friend. Just so happened the girl was the 16 year old daughter of a Thai Navy commander. The guy wanted $75,000 to make it go away. Of course the US government had to front the money and the young guy that probably only makes $2,000 per month will be on the hook to pay it back. They are trying to avoid situations like that and the ones in the pictures.
LoveItHere
05-31-23, 22:27
Agree, but will they be able to go to massage parlors and hook up with indies?I doubt even that. If he has to visit the military doctor with an STD and has not been to the states for over a month there will tons of questions how he got said disease.
I seriously doubt any of the US Military will have shore leave let alone be allowed to go to girlie bars. US will not risk the embarrassment of drunken men and women on leave to torpedo the new agreements. There has not been any shore leave to bars since the navy man killing the trans about 7 years ago.
Last month on my flight from Guam to Manila there were quite a few navy personnel on the flight within 3 rows of me going to Subic. I offered to buy them a drink and all responded their orders clearly stated "No Alcohol " on the trip at all. Also when they landed in Manila they were to wait at the airport for the military transport directly to Subic.My point remains valid. They won't improve the scene for the average Westerner. They either won't change anything or if they do they'll only introduce competition.
Angeles is degrading very fast will soon be a spent force.Keep in mind that people have been predicting the demise of the bar scene in AC for over 30 years. At this rate it may still outlast most of us.
Keep in mind that people have been predicting the demise of the bar scene in AC for over 30 years. At this rate it may still outlast most of us.It certainly will outlast me. I will enjoy it until then.
Shining Wit
06-01-23, 17:22
My point remains valid. They won't improve the scene for the average Westerner. They either won't change anything or if they do they'll only introduce competition.I am open to being shown how the increase in you S military personnel will make a blind bit of difference to Clark. Some time back I read an article about the increased levels, and there were 4 Philippine military bases that were mentioned. None were in Pampanga (or even Zambales) and I wasn't sure where 2 of the provinces were. Clark Air Force Base was returned to the Philippine government in 1992 when the lease was not renewed, and has since been developed, somewhat erratically, as an airport to relieve pressure on Ninoy Aquino airport in Manila and accept primarily foreign low cost sarriers. A new terminal has been built, together with something obstructing the flight path at one end of one of the two runways. This was not particularly inconvenient, as the two runways are too close together to permit parallel usage. Wiki says the Philippine Air Force maintains a unit there, but I think some of the hangars are used by Philippine Air Lines for maintenance.
All in all, I don't see the American military moving the dial at all.
Locamotive
06-01-23, 18:40
They can have liberty, but they are restricted from those places and activities. It is not the military of years gone by. It used to be the first place we would go was the place they told us not to go. These days they mean it.
My cousin's boat stopped in Rio and they could not even partake of the great delicacies the place has to offer. Comedian Eddie Griffin said the reason most people go into the military is to get exotic pussy. Unfortunately that option has been pretty much taken off the table.
A couple of years ago here in Thailand the US Military was in town. An incident happened and a buddy of mine was called on in the middle of the night to go translate. An 18 year old Marine had met a chick online. Him and his buddy hooked up with her and her friend. Just so happened the girl was the 16 year old daughter of a Thai Navy commander. The guy wanted $75,000 to make it go away. Of course the US government had to front the money and the young guy that probably only makes $2,000 per month will be on the hook to pay it back. They are trying to avoid situations like that and the ones in the pictures.This is typical for newbies, military or not. These guys have been in pussy prison all their lives and when they come to S. E. A. It blows their minds. Its worse than a kid in a candy store. You mean for 100 bucks or less these girls will go home with me and give me GFE and treat me as I'm a long lost love. Some. Yes they will. Its a change of thought that some just cannot handle. When I first went to work in 2008 I knew nothing about this world. I sat in hotel first 2 months and just concentrated on my job. Work friends were like dude if you get out their they will be on you like white on rice. At 50 years old I'm like you fuckers are crazy. They finally drag me out to Greenbelt one night. I was a fish out of water. Table after table of girls grinning like a possum. At first I could not believe they were looking at me. Took one home later 23 I think and after the deed I think I just stared at her most of the night. Coming from US where I was always told you getting women like this has long past you by. Its a culture shock and it can freak you out. Maybe not like back then as so much more internet exposure, but being there vs online are two different things. Military guys are just naïve and some do get in trouble, but they will learn like we all did.
This is typical for newbies, military or not. These guys have been in pussy prison all their lives and when they come to S. E. A. It blows their minds. Its worse than a kid in a candy store. You mean for 100 bucks or less these girls will go home with me and give me GFE and treat me as I'm a long lost love. Some. Yes they will. Its a change of thought that some just cannot handle. When I first went to work in 2008 I knew nothing about this world. I sat in hotel first 2 months and just concentrated on my job. Work friends were like dude if you get out their they will be on you like white on rice. At 50 years old I'm like you fuckers are crazy. They finally drag me out to Greenbelt one night. I was a fish out of water. Table after table of girls grinning like a possum. At first I could not believe they were looking at me. Took one home later 23 I think and after the deed I think I just stared at her most of the night. Coming from US where I was always told you getting women like this has long past you by. Its a culture shock and it can freak you out. Maybe not like back then as so much more internet exposure, but being there vs online are two different things. Military guys are just nave and some do get in trouble, but they will learn like we all did.Great post. I had a similar experience when I first started going to Asia for work in 2007.
So, I'm late 30's guy, not tall or great looking in my own mind to western standards. Got a bit of a gut (but working on it). First time I went to AC was 2012 or so. Probably went back 20 times since then. Alot of that was helped by loving in a East Asian country for work so no 20+ hour flying time to get there.
I think I have barfined a single girl in all those trips. I personally can't stand the bars, not even in the US or east Asia. I just don't particularly like being out in big clubs or places like that.
Anyway I've always had a good time and it really all goes back to the first trip I took. Before I left I was on DIA chatting to women in the area.
I found one, she was cute enough about 24-25 at the time great in bed, really knew how to throw it back. Next trip she introduced me to her sister. Another great time. Let me fast forward to the this year 2023. Saw the second sister again and have been chatting with her since I got back in January. Come next February I am going to complete the set in the time between 2012 and 2023 I got with 4 of 6 sister and next year I will see little sisters 5 and 6 in this family. A 21 yea old with 1 baby and a 23 year old with no kids. Plus the second sister who I keep telling is my Mamasan is going to find some more girls in the barangay who want to earn 2 k pesos, a meal and some time in an Air conditioned room.
I know its 2023 now and a long time has passed but, these girls are very trusting, if you find a girl and ask about her friends or if she has family she will probably hook you up. Plus now you have Tinder. Once you get the hard-core pros out of the way it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
It certainly will outlast me. I will enjoy it until then.Me too, mate. Now wrapping up a two-month stay and it's been great fun.
So, I'm late 30's guy, not tall or great looking in my own mind to western standards. Got a bit of a gut (but working on it). First time I went to AC was 2012 or so. Probably went back 20 times since then. Alot of that was helped by loving in a East Asian country for work so no 20+ hour flying time to get there.
I think I have barfined a single girl in all those trips. I personally can't stand the bars, not even in the US or east Asia. I just don't particularly like being out in big clubs or places like that.
Anyway I've always had a good time and it really all goes back to the first trip I took. Before I left I was on DIA chatting to women in the area.
I found one, she was cute enough about 24-25 at the time great in bed, really knew how to throw it back. Next trip she introduced me to her sister. Another great time. Let me fast forward to the this year 2023. Saw the second sister again and have been chatting with her since I got back in January. Come next February I am going to complete the set in the time between 2012 and 2023 I got with 4 of 6 sister and next year I will see little sisters 5 and 6 in this family. A 21 yea old with 1 baby and a 23 year old with no kids. Plus the second sister who I keep telling is my Mamasan is going to find some more girls in the barangay who want to earn 2 k pesos, a meal and some time in an Air conditioned room.
I know its 2023 now and a long time has passed but, these girls are very trusting, if you find a girl and ask about her friends or if she has family she will probably hook you up. Plus now you have Tinder. Once you get the hard-core pros out of the way it's like shooting fish in a barrel.This sounds really fun. Amazing!
So, I'm late 30's guy, not tall or great looking in my own mind to western standards. Got a bit of a gut (but working on it). First time I went to AC was 2012 or so. Probably went back 20 times since then. Alot of that was helped by loving in a East Asian country for work so no 20+ hour flying time to get there.
I think I have barfined a single girl in all those trips. I personally can't stand the bars, not even in the US or east Asia. I just don't particularly like being out in big clubs or places like that.
Anyway I've always had a good time and it really all goes back to the first trip I took. Before I left I was on DIA chatting to women in the area.
I found one, she was cute enough about 24-25 at the time great in bed, really knew how to throw it back. Next trip she introduced me to her sister. Another great time. Let me fast forward to the this year 2023. Saw the second sister again and have been chatting with her since I got back in January. Come next February I am going to complete the set in the time between 2012 and 2023 I got with 4 of 6 sister and next year I will see little sisters 5 and 6 in this family. A 21 yea old with 1 baby and a 23 year old with no kids. Plus the second sister who I keep telling is my Mamasan is going to find some more girls in the barangay who want to earn 2 k pesos, a meal and some time in an Air conditioned room.
I know its 2023 now and a long time has passed but, these girls are very trusting, if you find a girl and ask about her friends or if she has family she will probably hook you up. Plus now you have Tinder. Once you get the hard-core pros out of the way it's like shooting fish in a barrel.Nothing like the PH Friends and Family plan.
6 of 6 would be quite a feat! That's a full house. Very difficult to do as usually the ages range over so many years and the older ones are married or just not so desirable. And to find that many sisters within a doable age range is heaven sent.
I have 3 of 5. #4 and #5 are out of the question as they are quite older. But have had 8 of their first cousins.
Recently meet 1 of 7 sisters. She will bring one sister over the next time but the odds of all of them are slim to none.
If all 6 are still doable line them all up for me!
NapaSlapper
06-05-23, 02:29
This is typical for newbies, military or not. These guys have been in pussy prison all their lives and when they come to S. E. A. It blows their minds. Its worse than a kid in a candy store. You mean for 100 bucks or less these girls will go home with me and give me GFE and treat me as I'm a long lost love. Some. Yes they will. Its a change of thought that some just cannot handle. When I first went to work in 2008 I knew nothing about this world. I sat in hotel first 2 months and just concentrated on my job. Work friends were like dude if you get out their they will be on you like white on rice. At 50 years old I'm like you fuckers are crazy. They finally drag me out to Greenbelt one night. I was a fish out of water. Table after table of girls grinning like a possum. At first I could not believe they were looking at me. Took one home later 23 I think and after the deed I think I just stared at her most of the night. Coming from US where I was always told you getting women like this has long past you by. Its a culture shock and it can freak you out. Maybe not like back then as so much more internet exposure, but being there vs online are two different things. Military guys are just nave and some do get in trouble, but they will learn like we all did.Have to fully agree that most newbies to angeles fly in from pussy prison (or real prison) and think all their birthdays have arrived together, they settle for mainly older, fatter, plain janes that are single mums to multiple kids from multiple fathers and because the girls they can attract in angeles are a bit better than the one toothed 50 year old homeless crack head they are used to fucking in their home towns a new paradise has been found and go on to boast online at what a stud they are in Angeles.
Last weekend got chatting to a guy from America in his early 50's sitting on the next table with his lady having food in envy, he had the biggest smile on his face I have seen in years, he was telling me what a great place Angeles is for stunning women, what great opportunities he had found in his new discovery, in truth he was sitting next to mad Mary, a street hustler that has 9 kids and multiple grand kids and looks like she needs a good wash, not here to bash, the guy was happy is what counts but when I hear reports of my girl was a 8,9,10 last night in reality the girl might have been a mad mary.
I had a recent opportunity to visit the Philippines and decided to spend my time in Angeles City.
I arrived in Manila late in the evening and decided to stay overnight at the Hyatt. Getting through immigration and baggage claim was fairly quick and easy. I had downloaded the Grab app after learning that Uber does not do business in the Philippines. Locating my Grab driver was somewhat of a hassle, but the drive to the Hyatt was fairly quick. If I were staying in Manila to visit the Makate area, this hotel would have been a good choice. The lounge had an amazing breakfast and the hotel was beautiful and in a very nice area.
Getting from Manila to Angeles City is kind of a hassle unless you want to take a bus from the airport. I had no interest in taking the bus and had the concierge arrange for door to door transportation to the ABC Hotel. It was somewhat pricey but not outrageous and worth the convenience especially considering how hot and humid it was.
Given the reviews of ABC, I decided to book a two bedroom suite for myself and my friend. ABC is not necessarily cheap, but the rooms are very spacious and meticulously clean. I was not impressed with the food at the hotel or the restaurant service, but housekeeping was great. I never found the Aqua club all that busy and never saw any hot girls there. ABC is a fairly short walk from walking street, but the sidewalks are terrible and you have to be careful not to get run over by a trike. It did not appear that pedestrians have the right away in this city.
I checked out all of the bars on walking street and was only really impressed with XS. One observation that I had was that the area had a very strong Korean presence. I was the only Caucasian man in just about every club I went to. I did see some older Brits and Aussies walking the hotel with their young Filipinas, but I didn't see many. I was told by some bar girls that some of the bars are owned by Koreans and many live in Angeles City. What was once an area with a strong American presence from Clark Air Force Base, has really transitioned into an area supported by Korean and Chinese tourists. I do not think I have heard that Gangnam Style played so much since it became a hit in the USA. Must be the Korean guys love that song or seeing the bar girls dance to it LOL.
Of all the monger destinations that I have visited, Angeles City was the most unique in many ways. First, I found most of the girls had babies and most of the Filipinas were tiny. What these mommies wear in the club tends to cover their mommy marks and their little boobs. A friendly Aussie I met in one club told me he lived in AC and offered his advice. He told me 14 out of 15 girls in any club is a mommy and probably has a husband or boyfriend. He suggested that I always buy the girl a drink before paying a barfine and ask to see her breast and her tummy. He even suggested that I tell the mamasan that I did not want any girl that was a mommy. I also noticed that most of the girls I encountered didn't wear much makeup and probably didn't spend too much time on their hair and nails either. Not a dealbreaker for me, but I notice when a girl has chipped up nail polish on her fingers and toes.
On my first night I found a somewhat attractive girl walking outside of the clubs and I asked her where she worked. She told me that she worked at baccara and encouraged me to follow her back to the club if I wanted to barfine her. She was not smoking hot, but she was attractive and didn't have mommy damage despite having two babies. Since my friend was suffering from jet lag and did not come out with me, I decide to bring him a girl. I believe I paid 4000 to barfine the girl from baccara for 3 hours and then headed over to XS. When we walked in the bar all of the girls were standing on stage waiting to get selected. I ended up selecting three more girls to take back to the hotel. I believe I paid 5000 per girl for longtime. I escorted the four girls back to the hotel and woke my friend up and invited him to select one of the four girls. He picked a girl and I had the other three go into my room for my first foursome. No need for details, but once finished, I sent the girls home and didn't care to keep them overnight given how exhausted I was and that I don't sleep too well with a strange girl next to me much less 3. I debated keeping one or two, but good sleep was more important than sex given how little sleep I had over the last 48 hours.
The next morning my friend and I took a walk and found an amazing little breakfast place a 10 minute walk from the ABC. I got a text from the first girl from baccara and invited her back to the hotel. She arrived back around 11 am and stayed til about 4 pm. We had a late lunch and I let her go to work while I went back to sleep. Later that night I went out and started checking all the bars to see if I could find any hot girls. I went to a Korean bar and the talent was weak. I saw a tiny Filipina that I had seen the night before. She had turned down the Aussie guy that prior night, but agreed to leave with me. I paid her barfine and right after another attractive girl returned to the club and I barfined her too. I took both back to my hotel, but instead of doing a threesome, I had one girl sit in the living area and took the other one into my room. After I finished with the first girl, I sent her on her way and brought the second girl into my room. I did not keep the second girl overnight and sent her away after finishing with her as well.
I now know the appeal of Angeles City for those that visit. Not one girl asked me to use a condom and not one girl ever asked me to pull out. While the bar girls are not real beauties, they are super cheap and are incredibly submissive. I do not believe I have visited any place quite like it other than Jakarta. Unfortunately, I am not all that attracted to Filipinas and found Angeles City to be a shithole, so it wasn't any place I wanted to stay for several days. Plus, I was eager to get over to Saigon to see what Vietnam had for me. I took the doxycycline a few days prior to leaving for Manila like many on this forum suggested and I took it for a week after.
So would I go back to Angeles City? Maybe but probably not. If I want cheap sex, it is much easier to go to Tijuana and get a room at cascada for the night and pull girls from Hong Kong all night. Plus, I find latinas to be much more attractive than Filipinas. Flying to the other side of the world does not offer enough value to justify that extremely long flight and the girls just are not that hot in my opinion. If I was Korean or Chinese guy and had an ugly Korean or Chinese wife, it would make sense to fly to Manila for some filthy sex with these bar girls. For an American to fly to the Philippines these days is just not worth it. The flight is brutal, Angles City is a shithole, and the girls are not that hot.
RakSopheni
06-05-23, 09:27
I do not believe I have visited any place quite like it other than Jakarta. Unfortunately, I am not all that attracted to Filipinas and found Angeles City to be a shithole, so it wasn't any place I wanted to stay for several days. Great report, thank you. I'm wondering what you found similar to Jakarta?
Great report, thank you. I'm wondering what you found similar to Jakarta?Like for like (girls and cities) PI v Indo, PI has:
- similar GFE.
- same wide range of looks and body types.
- similar BBFS. Maybe PI wins but it's close.
- more expensive girls at all levels.
- K focused hotties. Indo girls are colour blind.
- better red light areas. Jakarta now has no real AC or Burgos equivalents.
- better english esp in the provinces.
- far worse food.
- same level of non mongering attractions.
- same big city transport issues.
- same hotel quality and prices.
Enjoy. G.
GentileBear
06-06-23, 03:10
Great report, thank you. I'm wondering what you found similar to Jakarta?I bet he says BBFS CIP service.
I had a recent opportunity to visit the Philippines and decided to spend my time in Angeles City.
I arrived in Manila late in the evening and decided to stay overnight at the Hyatt. Getting through immigration and baggage claim was fairly quick and easy. I had downloaded the Grab app after learning that Uber does not do business in the Philippines. Locating my Grab driver was somewhat of a hassle, but the drive to the Hyatt was fairly quick. If I were staying in Manila to visit the Makate area, this hotel would have been a good choice. The lounge had an amazing breakfast and the hotel was beautiful and in a very nice area.
Getting from Manila to Angeles City is kind of a hassle unless you want to take a bus from the airport. I had no interest in taking the bus and had the concierge arrange for door to door transportation to the ABC Hotel. It was somewhat pricey but not outrageous and worth the convenience especially considering how hot and humid it was.
Given the reviews of ABC, I decided to book a two bedroom suite for myself and my friend. ABC is not necessarily cheap, but the rooms are very spacious and meticulously clean. I was not impressed with the food at the hotel or the restaurant service, but housekeeping was great. I never found the Aqua club all that busy and never saw any hot girls there. ABC is a fairly short walk from walking street, but the sidewalks are terrible and you have to be careful not to get run over by a trike. It did not appear that pedestrians have the right away in this city.
I checked out all of the bars on walking street and was only really impressed with XS. One observation that I had was that the area had a very strong Korean presence. I was the only Caucasian man in just about every club I went to. I did see some older Brits and Aussies walking the hotel with their young Filipinas, but I didn't see many. I was told by some bar girls that some of the bars are owned by Koreans and many live in Angeles City. What was once an area with a strong American presence from Clark Air Force Base, has really transitioned into an area supported by Korean and Chinese tourists. I do not think I have heard that Gangnam Style played so much since it became a hit in the USA. Must be the Korean guys love that song or seeing the bar girls dance to it LOL.
Of all the monger destinations that I have visited, Angeles City was the most unique in many ways. First, I found most of the girls had babies and most of the Filipinas were tiny. What these mommies wear in the club tends to cover their mommy marks and their little boobs. A friendly Aussie I met in one club told me he lived in AC and offered his advice. He told me 14 out of 15 girls in any club is a mommy and probably has a husband or boyfriend. He suggested that I always buy the girl a drink before paying a barfine and ask to see her breast and her tummy. He even suggested that I tell the mamasan that I did not want any girl that was a mommy. I also noticed that most of the girls I encountered didn't wear much makeup and probably didn't spend too much time on their hair and nails either. Not a dealbreaker for me, but I notice when a girl has chipped up nail polish on her fingers and toes.
On my first night I found a somewhat attractive girl walking outside of the clubs and I asked her where she worked. She told me that she worked at baccara and encouraged me to follow her back to the club if I wanted to barfine her. She was not smoking hot, but she was attractive and didn't have mommy damage despite having two babies. Since my friend was suffering from jet lag and did not come out with me, I decide to bring him a girl. I believe I paid 4000 to barfine the girl from baccara for 3 hours and then headed over to XS. When we walked in the bar all of the girls were standing on stage waiting to get selected. I ended up selecting three more girls to take back to the hotel. I believe I paid 5000 per girl for longtime. I escorted the four girls back to the hotel and woke my friend up and invited him to select one of the four girls. He picked a girl and I had the other three go into my room for my first foursome. No need for details, but once finished, I sent the girls home and didn't care to keep them overnight given how exhausted I was and that I don't sleep too well with a strange girl next to me much less 3. I debated keeping one or two, but good sleep was more important than sex given how little sleep I had over the last 48 hours.
The next morning my friend and I took a walk and found an amazing little breakfast place a 10 minute walk from the ABC. I got a text from the first girl from baccara and invited her back to the hotel. She arrived back around 11 am and stayed til about 4 pm. We had a late lunch and I let her go to work while I went back to sleep. Later that night I went out and started checking all the bars to see if I could find any hot girls. I went to a Korean bar and the talent was weak. I saw a tiny Filipina that I had seen the night before. She had turned down the Aussie guy that prior night, but agreed to leave with me. I paid her barfine and right after another attractive girl returned to the club and I barfined her too. I took both back to my hotel, but instead of doing a threesome, I had one girl sit in the living area and took the other one into my room. After I finished with the first girl, I sent her on her way and brought the second girl into my room. I did not keep the second girl overnight and sent her away after finishing with her as well.
I now know the appeal of Angeles City for those that visit. Not one girl asked me to use a condom and not one girl ever asked me to pull out. While the bar girls are not real beauties, they are super cheap and are incredibly submissive. I do not believe I have visited any place quite like it other than Jakarta. Unfortunately, I am not all that attracted to Filipinas and found Angeles City to be a shithole, so it wasn't any place I wanted to stay for several days. Plus, I was eager to get over to Saigon to see what Vietnam had for me. I took the doxycycline a few days prior to leaving for Manila like many on this forum suggested and I took it for a week after.
So would I go back to Angeles City? Maybe but probably not. If I want cheap sex, it is much easier to go to Tijuana and get a room at cascada for the night and pull girls from Hong Kong all night. Plus, I find latinas to be much more attractive than Filipinas. Flying to the other side of the world does not offer enough value to justify that extremely long flight and the girls just are not that hot in my opinion. If I was Korean or Chinese guy and had an ugly Korean or Chinese wife, it would make sense to fly to Manila for some filthy sex with these bar girls. For an American to fly to the Philippines these days is just not worth it. The flight is brutal, Angles City is a shithole, and the girls are not that hot.Thanks for your post. You mentioned Jakarta. How does it compare?
I assume you've never gotten BBFS in tijuana? I never have.
Thanks for your post. You mentioned Jakarta. How does it compare?
I assume you've never gotten BBFS in tijuana? I never have.It has been quite some time since I have been to Jakarta, but I recall the girls were kind, very submissive, and quite willing to provide service without condoms. It is not hard to find girls in Tijuana that provide BBFS, but it is not something I go there looking for. I typically have tremendous self-guilt when I am stupid and reckless.
Yes indeed, as economies advance and more jobs become available, more young girls want to study further education in order to secure a good job then the need to swing ones ass in a gogo bar becomes less appealing.
Yes indeed covid taught many would be bargirls that an attractive young girl can just put her profile online stating wanting to meet new friends and she will have every lonely heart the world over drooling and sending money to her mostly without ever meeting her, know of many girls that earn great money doing just this.
Yes indeed, any girl who is even reasonably ok looking and want to work in Angeles bars will naturally gravitate to the bigger bars that pay well and have structures in place to earn high commissions from lady drinks, large sitting tips, and making it rain money etc, why sit in a western bar with very few customers if any at all, lower salaries, lower drinks commissions and no chance of tips or making it rain money, and lower barfine commissions, girls are in the business of making as much easy money as possible and do exactly what suits them and not the punters pockets.
As far as Pattaya, yes not as good as years gone past, but the sheer size of it, the high number of bars, the thousands of available bargirls, freelancers compared to Angeles city has it far far in front in girl choice and fun factor IMHO.I'm picky. A lot of the pretty Thai girls went to the province during the pandemic. I see more pretty available ladies in AC than Pattaya currently.
NapaSlapper
06-11-23, 08:02
I'm picky. A lot of the pretty Thai girls went to the province during the pandemic. I see more pretty available ladies in AC than Pattaya currently.Yes many girls from both places left for their home province during the pandemic but many also returned after the pandemic.
Would totally disagree with your claims that angeles has better looking, slim girls than thailand, in fact I would go as far as to say angeles can not be considered in the same league as thailand in most things, including, girl quality, infustructure, medical care, weather, food, personal safety, hotel costs, general cleanliness and thailand does not have a pay all barfine money before system that encourages many runners or non performers in angeles as reported by most, thailand also does not have mostly pretend virgins working in girly bars or have girls that are asian only girls, IMHO mongering is so much more easy and pain free in thailand with thousands more girls to choose from and when all travel, hotel costs factored in can be much cheaper than angeles, as far as girls I definately see more thai girls I would happily bang than pinays but each to their own tastes I guess.
As far as language Even the amount of thailand younger girls (under 35) that speak excellent english has increased to high levels so that's not a problem any more for thailand.
Don't have a problem with guys that visit angeles and enjoy it but to say angeles can compare to thailand in any way shape or form is a massive stretch of the immagination IMHO.
RakSopheni
06-12-23, 05:54
Don't have a problem with guys that visit angeles and enjoy it but to say angeles can compare to thailand in any way shape or form is a massive stretch of the immagination IMHO.I'm currently in Pattaya. The only thing AC has a lock on is near universal BBFS and CIP. It's getting a little tougher every year in Pattaya to manage that. I think some of the AC hardcore purists like that Furious George guy are all about the BBFS and can deal with the Koreans. If that's your situation, makes sense. Personally I could never stay in AC for more than a few days without wanting to get the hell out of there.
WestCoast1
06-12-23, 06:08
I'm currently in Pattaya. The only thing AC has a lock on is near universal BBFS and CIP. It's getting a little tougher every year in Pattaya to manage that. I think some of the AC hardcore purists like that Furious George guy are all about the BBFS and can deal with the Koreans. If that's your situation, makes sense. Personally I could never stay in AC for more than a few days without wanting to get the hell out of there.For you Thai fells, is BBFS a given in Patts? It it something you should work out in the bar with the girl before a BF?
NapaSlapper
06-12-23, 08:37
For you Thai fells, is BBFS a given in Patts? It it something you should work out in the bar with the girl before a BF?I think in truth westy bare back is available in both destinations with certain girls but not all, I have many friends in both angeles and Bangkok / pattaya that report its available but getting harder by the day.
Yes of course asking 1st would be the way to go and with a thai girl and the pay after system then more likely to fulfill her duties and stick to what was agreed in order to get paid, angeles pinays not so much so because the full amount of money has already been paid to the bar before leaving so very little incentive to fulfill ones duties or promises should the pinay girl not wish to, of course that includes blow jobs, going down on her, multiple positions allowed, agreed time etc.
Houston Player
06-12-23, 09:21
For you Thai fells, is BBFS a given in Patts? It it something you should work out in the bar with the girl before a BF?It is definitely not a given and if BBFS is a requirement you should work it out in the bar before paying a barfine. The barfine only includes the bar so you pay the girl separately after sex. If you don't get an agreement upfront I would rate your chances at 60%. Unless you want to negotiate and pay more which I seldom do, it's much better to get an agreement upfront.
WestCoast1
06-12-23, 14:06
It is definitely not a given and if BBFS is a requirement you should work it out in the bar before paying a barfine. The barfine only includes the bar so you pay the girl separately after sex. If you don't get an agreement upfront I would rate your chances at 60%. Unless you want to negotiate and pay more which I seldom do, it's much better to get an agreement upfront.On point. Muchos gracias señor.
So would I go back to Angeles City? Maybe but probably not. If I want cheap sex, it is much easier to go to Tijuana and get a room at cascada for the night and pull girls from Hong Kong all night. Plus, I find latinas to be much more attractive than Filipinas. Flying to the other side of the world does not offer enough value to justify that extremely long flight and the girls just are not that hot in my opinion. If I was Korean or Chinese guy and had an ugly Korean or Chinese wife, it would make sense to fly to Manila for some filthy sex with these bar girls. For an American to fly to the Philippines these days is just not worth it. The flight is brutal, Angles City is a shithole, and the girls are not that hot.Thanks for great report. Its funny how much our mongering perspectives vary. You obviously don't have yellow fever like most of us who fuck across asia. And not sure how many Korean / Chinese guys have ugly wives. ID happily bang their wives while theyre off fucking around.
Ill look over to the Saigon board to see what your impressions are there. As hot as Viets are, HCMC seems less than ideal for mongering.
Mongers, thanks for your actual experience reports. To each their own. Some prefer BBFS with CIP.
I'm currently in Pattaya. The only thing AC has a lock on is near universal BBFS and CIP.I'd agree but add that the mongering in LOS generally and Patts specifically is such an industrial machine that GFE is a rarity, esp to the extent found in PI.
Of course, for the two week warrior, looking to pump and run as many times as possible, then the reverse would be true and Pattaya would be ideal.
The only other thing that springs to mind for the PI is the ability to find attractive but still 100% natural bodies and faces.
Enjoy. G.
I'd agree but add that the mongering in LOS generally and Patts specifically is such an industrial machine that GFE is a rarity, esp to the extent found in PI.
Of course, for the two week warrior, looking to pump and run as many times as possible, then the reverse would be true and Pattaya would be ideal.
The only other thing that springs to mind for the PI is the ability to find attractive but still 100% natural bodies and faces.
Enjoy. G.Yes and Patts has bigger boobs for us boob addicts. But I still prefer PI girls for the GFE / BBFS. Cheers.
It is definitely not a given and if BBFS is a requirement you should work it out in the bar before paying a barfine. The barfine only includes the bar so you pay the girl separately after sex. If you don't get an agreement upfront I would rate your chances at 60%. Unless you want to negotiate and pay more which I seldom do, it's much better to get an agreement upfront.Sex is only sex if it is bareback. No bareback, no party. In Manila I thought one girl ask me for condom, I was shocked by her question. NEXT.
What means CIP? Could be fake sex more common in Phillippines for our next years?
NapaSlapper
06-13-23, 00:35
I'd agree but add that the mongering in LOS generally and Patts specifically is such an industrial machine that GFE is a rarity, esp to the extent found in PI.
Of course, for the two week warrior, looking to pump and run as many times as possible, then the reverse would be true and Pattaya would be ideal.
The only other thing that springs to mind for the PI is the ability to find attractive but still 100% natural bodies and faces.
Enjoy. G.Am in tbailand at the moment on a 5 day business trip, many many friends tbat are married / dating or got mistresses that give as much GFE as any other cou try the world over.
Many, many friends ghat live in thailand that are into the p4 p scene with multiple guys taking tha bari girls for dinner, movies, clubbing, multiple day trips to tne islands or travel abroad to nearby destinations, as usual all asian pros are willing to play the girlfriend role for 1 or multiple days as required, its definately not just an angeles thing but happens all over.
As far as 100% natural pinay bodies / faces many would say that many pinay pros could do with being put on a strict diet, getting to the gym to lose a few lbs, as for faces well many many could do with a good plastic surgeon for some help so natural might not be a plus.
Many many thailand friends woukd visit me in the pi years gone by and enjoy some pinay flesh, now a day none of them visit due to being much more happy with their mongering in thailand than the pi.
Yes and Patts has bigger boobs for us boob addicts. But I still prefer PI girls for the GFE / BBFS. Cheers.Also for the non boob fiends. For those looking for long and lean bikini bodies, anything over 5'3" is pretty rare in PI. Not so elsewhere.
Hi, I know Santos St is very dead these days re blow-job bars, but when I was there about 3 years ago, there were still a couple of places that offered BJs (in-house or apartment visit). They were just to the west of Santos. That closed loop road where Clouds Bar is (Suri Luisa St and Surla St and Karen Alley). Are they still there? Thanks.
Chocha Monger
06-17-23, 01:54
Sex is only sex if it is bareback. No bareback, no party. In Manila I thought one girl ask me for condom, I was shocked by her question. NEXT.
What means CIP? Could be fake sex more common in Phillippines for our next years?CIP the abbreviation for Cum-In-Pussy. Often expressed within BBFSCIP for Bareback Full Service Cum-In-Pussy! Angeles City sole claim to fame is the fact that BBFSCIP is standard service at no extra cost. Yes. It could be that fake sex or no sex will be on sale for the future years in AC. The pandemic pretty much killed off the AC mongering scene, and it certainly killed off many of the old pre-pandemic mongering patrons. The pandemic wiped out the handful of remaining Western-owned bars that were gasping on their last leg. Most Western mongers only visit the city for the nostalgia of the times when countless bars offered cheap BBFSCIP and BBBJCIM.
Sex is only sex if it is bareback. No bareback, no party. In Manila I thought one girl ask me for condom, I was shocked by her question. NEXT.
.......Fortunately for me I mongered in the 1970's so I had tons of bareback sex. However, with the advent of AIDS and antibiotic resistant STDs I've decided not to push my luck and cover up, I'm not as brave or as lucky as you guys.
Moved here awhile back, tried out the Cebu area and was shocked by the lack of a bar scene. Even the dating apps were 99% miss since most that I contacted were just using Cebu city as their location but living an hour out in the province. So I made a short first time run up to Angeles on the Cebu to Clark flight and was impresssed by the amount of bars. More bars, more girls. Just more to do vs Cebu city. Eventually made the move up here and found out the downfall of living in a bar area with a ton of girls. The dating app girls were pretty much the dregs you don't want to dig up. Nothing like Manila where you can score jems from a huge population. Now I'm not a big barfine type of guy so I went along with the dating app girls. Saw maybe 8 different girls. Really only repeated with 2 of those. The first girl had absolutely no tits but a great little ass and I got along good with her so I kept her. The second was a bit taller than I like but had an amazing see cup. But I started to not care much for the sex after awhile. It was my own little mini harem. Sounds good until you realize they quit looking for other customers and start asking you for money. I did just dump the taller girl. Well more like she quit chatting me after I yelled at her out for making her own time to come over. The flat chested girl's performance was constantly going down but what made up for it was her very cute 18 why old sister. Sister had a body, perky large be's on a skinny frame. Sister would only do BJ's for 1000 and she too started to lose her performance. I finally had to dump both when I was getting chats 30 times a day asking for money even though I had given them over 3,000 the day before total. My guess is the family was getting their cut of the money and I'm guessing they were the ones texting me asking for gcash and sending numbers I never saw before. Blocked all 3 of them and decided to move on.
You end up spending in a week for these lower class freelance girls what you'd pay two lookers from the bars per week. Decided to do quality over quantity. Took a few gogo girls out of the bars and had some fun times. What's funny is I was in one of the bars on WS and bought a girl a drink that I thought stood out from the rest. Talked with her and got her number. Sent her a few chats asking her to come over before work etc to save me the barfine but she never did. A good month goes by and I sent her another chat to which she responds 'you live in Angeles city?' and I said yes. That changed the dynamic, I was no longer a tourist looking for fun but a possible long term client. Really cute girl but for some reason isn't getting barfines like other girls, maybe the Koreans don't care for her natural looks. Same thing happened with a dating app cutie, she comes over and realizes I live here and I'm easy to get along with. She stopped over the other day and said 'I'm hungry' so I pulled out some pork chops I had thawing and said 'cook them up'. And she stripped down to her underwear and cooked dinner in my apartment. Amazing how you can go from average talent to top tier in a matter of weeks.
...A good month goes by and I sent her another chat to which she responds 'you live in Angeles city?' and I said yes. That changed the dynamic, I was no longer a tourist looking for fun but a possible long term client. Really cute girl but for some reason isn't getting barfines like other girls, maybe the Koreans don't care for her natural looks. Same thing happened with a dating app cutie, she comes over and realizes I live here and I'm easy to get along with. She stopped over the other day and said 'I'm hungry' so I pulled out some pork chops I had thawing and said 'cook them up'. And she stripped down to her underwear and cooked dinner in my apartment. Amazing how you can go from average talent to top tier in a matter of weeks.Hahaha. There is a world of difference in the step up from weekend warrior to resident. Just wait until the hot girls realise you can be called upon at short notice for heavily discounted services when the rent is due. All the talk of K-only flies right out the window. Expect much better service levels than mere mortals as the girls want to stay in your good books for the next time they are broke. Where their money goes I have no idea but the call always comes.
The next step is graduating to bank tellers and junior accounts receivable clerks. There will be a group of them that get passed around the expats in town so they know the deal, are comfortable around foreigners and are much better quality than GoGo girls.
Don't forget to start learning a few few words of Tagalog. That really makes you stand out and opens many more doors.
Enjoy. G.
NapaSlapper
06-20-23, 02:33
Hahaha. There is a world of difference in the step up from weekend warrior to resident. Just wait until the hot girls realise you can be called upon at short notice for heavily discounted services when the rent is due. All the talk of K-only flies right out the window. Expect much better service levels than mere mortals as the girls want to stay in your good books for the next time they are broke. Where their money goes I have no idea but the call always comes.
The next step is graduating to bank tellers and junior accounts receivable clerks. There will be a group of them that get passed around the expats in town so they know the deal, are comfortable around foreigners and are much better quality than GoGo girls.
Don't forget to start learning a few few words of Tagalog. That really makes you stand out and opens many more doors.
Enjoy. G.Discounted service? I think you will find that the very few angeles girls that are young, slim and attractive have a que of guys willing to pay the full amount plus generous tips for a few moments of such girls time, talk of discounts are a dream only, hell most of these gjrls earn far more than most of the expats pensioners per month and most don't need any help from grand daddy.
Hell the very top angeles girls earn a small fortune each day from sitting and lady drinks without the need to fuck anybody.
Obviously the girls that do not have the youth, body, looks to get much attention and therefore have no money are obviously available in hours of their need, but looking at most who would want them.
Talk of grand daddy getting a date with that cute young bank teller is also wishful thinking, bank tellers are normally university educated and come from families with money already so no need to be sucking grand daddies cock for a few extra peso.
Times have changed in the phills, many girls are getting educated and getting good paying jobs, they want to meet, date, marry young pinoys of their own standing, gone are the days of young attractive girls needing hand outs from elderly westerners.
GodSpeed72
06-20-23, 19:20
I'm wanting to take a solo trip to Angeles like Aug 30 to Sept 12. Are there going to be plenty of single guy activities or are the ladies staying home because it's the rainy or low season. So I've heard.
Logic says that the girls still have bills to pay during the rainy season.
I would hate to go through the time and expense and the place is like a ghost town. Last time I was there was around '94-'95 when my ship (USN) pulled into Manila.
Times have changed in the phills, many girls are getting educated and getting good paying jobs, they want to meet, date, marry young pinoys of their own standing, gone are the days of young attractive girls needing hand outs from elderly westerners.I absolutely agree!
Some few experienced frequently used girls get the 1 week millionaires. Others are playing good as drink sluts.
But the young slim girls from the provinces are not coming into the scene anymore. They stay on the home green with their guys, having more fun with them instead sucking dick of 40 or 50 years plus aged hairy western guys.
Those days are over.
NapaSlapper
06-21-23, 15:01
I'm wanting to take a solo trip to Angeles like Aug 30 to Sept 12. Are there going to be plenty of single guy activities or are the ladies staying home because it's the rainy or low season. So I've heard.
Logic says that the girls still have bills to pay during the rainy season.
I would hate to go through the time and expense and the place is like a ghost town. Last time I was there was around '94-'95 when my ship (USN) pulled into Manila.Seems we arrived in the phills roughly the same time so I can relate to what you last saw so ill try to answer what's changed in 2023.
Well in all honesty everything has massively changed, where there was once well over 100 bars in angeles now there is a fraction of that amount.
Where there was once 1000's of young 18-20 year old naked girls now there is much less girls and they tend to be older, fatter girls that mainly wear street clothes.
Where there was once 1000's of young slim girls that would all barfine long time now we have girls that don't barfine at all, we have girls that are asian only girls, that is to say they will only talk to, accept lady drinks and fuck with asians only.
Where once westerners were kings in angeles they are now mainly shunned by the very few girls that are younger, slimmer and ok looking, new kings have arrived in town and they are called asians, yes mainly young koreans, chinese, japanese punters that fly in for a vew days and shower the few better looking girls with large money, obviously the girls only have eyes for the new asian kings.
A few posts back I wrote a list of all the main angeles bars, look at the bar names that I included as western owned and oriented bars, yes there is only a few, but for westerners they can have a few beers here and get laid, don't expect any young, attractive, slim girls to be working in these bars, they are mostly older but are quite hands on and are willing to fuck with older westerners, expect to pay 4,000 pesos for mainly short time, some girls still offer long time but obviously these are the less popular ladies in the western bars.
Stay away from the asian oriented bars that I mentioned if one wants to get laid, its just not going to happen here, but please pop in if you want to see the better looking girls angeles has to offer, all are welcomed by management here, the beer is cold, they have excellent professional female dance teams and a nice ambience, maybe pop in with a girl you have barfined from one of the western bars.
Hope that helps you out a bit, most other info one might need is all in the forum but one might have to go back over several pages.
Please let us know if you do make it to angeles with a trip report of what you found after so many years away.
Locamotive
06-21-23, 16:00
Seems we arrived in the phills roughly the same time so I can relate to what you last saw so ill try to answer what's changed in 2023.
Well in all honesty everything has massively changed, where there was once well over 100 bars in angeles now there is a fraction of that amount.
Where there was once 1000's of young 18-20 year old naked girls now there is much less girls and they tend to be older, fatter girls that mainly wear street clothes.
Where there was once 1000's of young slim girls that would all barfine long time now we have girls that don't barfine at all, we have girls that are asian only girls, that is to say they will only talk to, accept lady drinks and fuck with asians only.
Where once westerners were kings in angeles they are now mainly shunned by the very few girls that are younger, slimmer and ok looking, new kings have arrived in town and they are called asians, yes mainly young koreans, chinese, japanese punters that fly in for a vew days and shower the few better looking girls with large money, obviously the girls only have eyes for the new asian kings.
A few posts back I wrote a list of all the main angeles bars, look at the bar names that I included as western owned and oriented bars, yes there is only a few, but for westerners they can have a few beers here and get laid, don't expect any young, attractive, slim girls to be working in these bars, they are mostly older but are quite hands on and are willing to fuck with older westerners, expect to pay 4,000 pesos for mainly short time, some girls still offer long time but obviously these are the less popular ladies in the western bars.Hehehehe. Plus girls have told me since the Asian guys typical have smaller dicks much easier on the kitty. We can if necessary do two or three of them a day but one western guy like you (And I'm average) and the kitty takes more of a pounding. We're like everyone else make the money with least stress and effort.
MongerHunger
06-22-23, 08:12
Some guys need to work on their appearance when mongering. When I was in Angeles City last month I noticed a lot of guys looking sloppy in their appearance and disheveled. I don't blame a girl that wants to choose better looking guys that are paying. Some of you need to make some improvements in your lives and with your lifestyle if you want any type of longevity and quality in this game instead of just flopping around in life.
Locamotive
06-22-23, 18:34
Some guys need to work on their appearance when mongering. When I was in Angeles City last month I noticed a lot of guys looking sloppy in their appearance and disheveled. I don't blame a girl that wants to choose better looking guys that are paying. Some of you need to make some improvements in your lives and with your lifestyle if you want any type of longevity and quality in this game instead of just flopping around in life.Agreed. Not only in bars either. My last flight over 14 hrs longest of the trip. Flip flops old ratty shorts and tank tops, who travels like that? You can buy a 2 grand ticket but that's the best you can do. God forbid there's a accident, flip flops. Really? Speaking of tank tops. I don't know how many guys I see around the bar areas wearing these. Most are not even clean and look like they were in a wad on the floor before they decided to go out. Unless you are Arnold Schwarzenegger's twin in his prime please stop wearing those in public. You look ridiculous and 99.9% of you do not have the physique to pull that off. No need for a Giorgio Armani suit to cruise bars, but come on some of you look like you just crawled out of bed. Got a buddy there does this sloppy look all the time. Saw him last time in a bar, Lips I think, a beauty I knew was talking to him. Later on she plops down what's up? Oh not much, saw you talking to a buddy, no barfine? Well she said he needed a shower and did you see his clothes I thought he was a homeless man. No dear he's got money, why he dresses like that I do not know. I know some think its just a prostitute in a 3rd world country who gives a shit. They do, believe it or not they are still women and they notice cleanliness and attire much more than we do. Decent shoes, not worn out, clean pressed shorts or slacks with a clean wrinkle free shirt along with a bath. Its not that hard, give it a try I think you'll see the difference.
Some guys need to work on their appearance when mongering. When I was in Angeles City last month I noticed a lot of guys looking sloppy in their appearance and disheveled. I don't blame a girl that wants to choose better looking guys that are paying. Some of you need to make some improvements in your lives and with your lifestyle if you want any type of longevity and quality in this game instead of just flopping around in life.Its much easier just to blame others: the Koreans; changing times; girls' attitudes. Many find it truely shocking that pretty & fun girls have options and it's up to us to become the most attractive option. For some girls that's simply being the highest bidder. For many others, not being a slovenly A-hole goes a long way.
I'm often amazed at guys who say that everything and everyone else is the problem, without considering a little introspection.
Enjoy. G.
Its much easier just to blame others: the Koreans; changing times; girls' attitudes. Many find it truely shocking that pretty & fun girls have options and it's up to us to become the most attractive option. For some girls that's simply being the highest bidder. For many others, not being a slovenly A-hole goes a long way.
I'm often amazed at guys who say that everything and everyone else is the problem, without considering a little introspection.
Enjoy. G.Copy that, fellas. I try to look nice with pressed Hawaiin shirts, nice shoes, smell good including breath. And treat the girls nice including tip for good performance. I got to beer belly but not too bad. I don't drink much any more as it affects performance. My body count has been declining with age but so far this year had about 25 nice ones between Negros, Cebu, Manila, Angeles, Bangkok and Pattaya. Not bad for 67. Cheers.
Some guys need to work on their appearance when mongering. When I was in Angeles City last month I noticed a lot of guys looking sloppy in their appearance and disheveled. I don't blame a girl that wants to choose better looking guys that are paying. Some of you need to make some improvements in your lives and with your lifestyle if you want any type of longevity and quality in this game instead of just flopping around in life.Nothing like unwanted wisdom.
FuriousGeorge
06-23-23, 10:10
This is correct. I have said it for years. Part of the reason I love AC and have success there is because I'm fit and I dress well when I go out. If you can't be one, be the other. If you're hanging out at Lollipop with your smelly hairy armpits showing through your awesome T-Wolves jersey, and your saggy balls poking out from your sweet ass baggy shorts, you will be less likely to have success. Yes they are working girls, but they are still girls. The Koreans generally dress better than the Americans, especially the expats who are a disaster. Yes yes yes, I know you can get laid in AC no matter what you look like, but your experience will be better if you make an attempt to impress the girls.
Some guys need to work on their appearance when mongering. When I was in Angeles City last month I noticed a lot of guys looking sloppy in their appearance and disheveled. I don't blame a girl that wants to choose better looking guys that are paying. Some of you need to make some improvements in your lives and with your lifestyle if you want any type of longevity and quality in this game instead of just flopping around in life.
This is correct. I have said it for years. Part of the reason I love AC and have success there is because I'm fit and I dress well when I go out. If you can't be one, be the other. If you're hanging out at Lollipop with your smelly hairy armpits showing through your awesome T-Wolves jersey, and your saggy balls poking out from your sweet ass baggy shorts, you will be less likely to have success. Yes they are working girls, but they are still girls. The Koreans generally dress better than the Americans, especially the expats who are a disaster. Yes yes yes, I know you can get laid in AC no matter what you look like, but your experience will be better if you make an attempt to impress the girls.Years ago I posted that I was coming out of the 7-11 next to the then SouthStar Pharmacy. A fit nicely dressed suit and tie man drove up, parked and got out and went into the 7-11. Women walking by saw him and started to swarm him. Women who were normally shy went right up to him and introduced themselves to him. He was rather embarrassed and stated he was married and tried to get back into his car. His car was a nice clean average sedan. Women kept coming up to him. I had never seen anything like that before. The only difference was he was nicely dressed in a suit and tie and shoes. Not overly expensive suit or shoes. Clothes does make the man.
Lots of mongers said it didn't matter what they wore. Wife beaters and wrinkle shorts got them lots of dates! LOL. I saw what I saw. Clothes and hygiene makes a difference.
NapaSlapper
06-25-23, 11:51
While I fully agree that all punters should shower regularly, wear deodorant, maybe some aftershave, clean clothes etc one does need to keep in mind that many girls should check themselves too, hear daily reports of friends that have bar fined only to find said girls pussy smelt like an indoor fish market on a very hot day, I including myself, had a few girls that the smell was so bad that even after washing them from head to toe, pussy douche used her pussy still smelled real bad, maybe the cause is mainly bacterial / viral and can't be washed away, probably caused by the multiple cream pies these girls receive from multiple different doners per day.
The weekly health checks the girls are meant to have are basically useless, they are only a pap smear test and as no blood is drawn from the girls then who knows what type of disease might be lurking and breeding inside that girls pussy.
Many times I wrap up short business meetings and head out with clients for a few beers in the bars, obviously we are smelling good, looking good in long pants, pressed shirt and nice footwear but in all honesty this make no difference to the many girls that are drinks only girls or korean only girls, yes if one hits the western orientated bars and the older plain ladies that work there then it might give one an advantage over another westerner that is old, smelly and looking like a tramp but if one wants the few better looking girls that angeles has to offer that all work in the asian bars then even a young western guy in an armani or hugo boss suit wearing channel after shave will not make even a slight difference to the chances of getting laid, why, because westerners of any type are just not the asian only girls way of making money.
Years ago I posted that I was coming out of the 7-11 next to the then SouthStar Pharmacy. A fit nicely dressed suit and tie man drove up, parked and got out and went into the 7-11. Women walking by saw him and started to swarm him....
While I fully agree that all punters should shower regularly, wear deodorant, maybe some aftershave, clean clothes etc one does need to keep in mind that many girls should check themselves too, hear daily reports of friends that have bar fined only to find said girls pussy smelt like an indoor fish market on a very hot day, I including myself, had a few girls that the smell was so bad that even after washing them from head to toe, pussy douche used her pussy still smelled real bad, Many times I wrap up short business meetings and head out with clients for a few beers in the bars, obviously we are smelling good, looking good in long pants, pressed shirt and nice footwear but in all honesty this make no difference to the many girls that are drinks only girls or korean only girls, yes if one hits the western orientated bars and the older plain ladies that work there then it might give one an advantage over another westerner that is old, smelly and looking like a tramp but if one wants the few better looking girls that angeles has to offer that all work in the asian bars then even a young western guy in an armani or hugo boss suit wearing channel after shave will not make even a slight difference to the chances of getting laid, why, because westerners of any type are just not the asian only girls way of making money.Obviously, toxic pussies are a major focus of mongers but the same can be said of girls with massive body odour. Those with no access to hot water showers can have ingrained grime that cannot be scrubbed away in a single wash and a hot and sweaty session often brings out the worst. I'd agree that these are out the door ASAP and my usual sleeping over for a breakfast session is off the menu.
I'd agree that how we look and smell makes little difference to the low end and K-only working girls. However, I'd put it into the 'it can't hurt' basket. As I said before, better girls have options and it's not hard to understand who they would choose if everything else is equal.
I'd agree with DG that it does matter with civilians. I saw the same at Metro Ayala when a well dressed guy walked in to do his weekly shopping. Both staff and customers pounced, including a particularly gorgeous, obviously non-WG, 24 yo.
Enjoy. G.
Some of you guys must have the worst luck. In my 10 years of mongering in PH I have encountered 2 smelly pussies out of hundreds. One beauty with a yeast infection. I promptly douched her with some hydrogen peroxide one part to 5 parts water. She cleared up in 2 days for some good fucking.
NapaSlapper
06-27-23, 02:27
Whats been happening on the town over the last week, was out in the bars on 2 nights last week, here's what's new.
Girlie drink prices have increased in many bars, where recently most bars charged 300 peso for girl drinks most bars now have increased that prce to 350 peso each, would have thought the powers that be would have been reducing lady drink prices and the large comissions the girls receive from them in order to encourage more girls to leave on barfines to earn their money rather than enabling more girls to staying in the bar.
Visits to la bamba bar, geckos bar, champagne bar, lollipop bar, order 1 drink in each only to leave before finishing said drinks due to boredom of looking at uglie fatties that mainly just stand on stage, no dancing, vefy little smiles and a couple of girls with their arms crossed on stage, very few customers and those that were customers were very old expats, barfines are all the one price in these bars that being 4,000 peso, in all honesty would be no loss if these bars were forced to close down, that way new blood and money can take over with owners that won't allow just any old fuglie on stage.
Arabesque bar, Q bar, in fairness there was a couple of girls in each of these two bars that were slim, mid 20's and ok looking, obviously the asians were all over them and buying drinks, apart from myself all other punters were asian, stayed for 1 drink in each.
Atlantis bar, where once this bar had 20 odd pretty greeter girls working outside now there is one chubby, where once this bar had 150- 200 bar girls now they are down to about 20 odd, most older,1 girl stood out from the crowd, she was a real cutie, transpires she is a cherrie girl (virgin) probably the reason she was not already barfined by the asians, was the only western punter here on my visit.
The stand out bar in all of walking street by a long way is xs bar, this bar just knows how to operate a bar, high energy dance shows, girls dressed in elegant long red dresses split at the side to show legs, beautiful painted nails and professional hair cuts and styles, was in with a group of asian friends so girls were eager to sit with us and have drinks, snacks and some laughs, the girl sitting next to me was 21,she looked nice and smelled even better, probably can afford original perfume, her drink 350 peso, it was just juice, she had told me she does not drink alcohol and never has, great company but would not barfine, welcome to the new angeles.
In summing up, prices are rising monthly, many girls just should not be enployed in any bar the world over due to looks / size IMHO, many more asians with every barhop, seems that many more chinese punters in town, not quite as many as koreans but the numbers are increasing, the chinese seem to bar hop in the same way as the koreans, pick the few pretty girls and throw big money at them in the bar, constantly making it rain, tipping the girls large for bringing drinks or tipping extra after buying the girls drinks.
Westerners are a rare breed in angeles lately, the ones I see are the same faces I have seen over many years and mainly live in angeles, many very old men that seem to be mainly drunk most of the time, anything young pretty and slim is either in the bars earning large from drinks only or on the arm of a young asian, not seen a westerner with a looker sat next to them in a bar or on their arm heading home in a long long time, asians are the new kings in town and get all the girl attention, it is what it is unfortunately.
Some of you guys must have the worst luck. In my 10 years of mongering in PH I have encountered 2 smelly pussies out of hundreds. One beauty with a yeast infection. I promptly douched her with some hydrogen peroxide one part to 5 parts water. She cleared up in 2 days for some good fucking.It's either you don't know what an actual good pussy smells like or there is a serious problem with your nose. I have been mongering in PH for 12+ years. Normal office workers, bank tellers, call center girls women who have jobs outside of the bar industry for the most part I would say you have a 70% chance of getting a decent, good smelling vagina.
Bar girls anywhere in the PH's is a completely different story and is the exact opposite of what I mention above. Going off my experience's and sample size from, Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Davao you have a 70% chance of getting a smelly vagina when taking a bar girl. Now before we get ahead of ourselves. Lets be very clear. There are different degrees of stench.
Level 1 - Code Red. Smells like,3 week old hot rotten fish, absolute putrid, completely disgustingly. Depending on how long my trip is there is usually just one Level 1 stinker per trip.
Level 2 - This type of smell is a strong fish smell that regardless of how many times she goes in the shower to use her feminine wash it doesn't go away. You get a bunch of these level 2 stinkers every trip.
Level 3 - The fish scent is lighter here but its definitely still there, throw in a very good wash (scrubbing and rinsing) and you can almost not smell it for an hour or two, roughly 40%-50% of the girls fall into this Level 3 category. I can somewhat tolerate these vaginas buy breathing out of my mouth when the smell comes back but I would never ever think of putting my tongue anywhere near it!
Level 4 - This category there is no real fish scent, its mainly a sweaty acidic smell, these vaginas are very nice, great to enjoy, when you find one its almost like finding a unicorn- these are very hard to find so when I find one I have to keep for a couple days because you never know when you will find another.
Level 5 - Congratulations! - You have found your Unicorn. Absolutely zero fish scent. Absolutely zero musty scent. This is the holy grail. The smell is hard to describe but natural, clean and pure comes to mind. This is the only smell where I might go down south to show gratitude by licking the honey pot for being so unique. What I have done when I have found a level 5 is basically keep her for the rest of my trip, regardless of cost, I can't let her go until my trip is over. This is very very rare in the bar scene, almost never happens.
FuriousGeorge
06-27-23, 08:45
Totally agree. Have been with well over 100 AC girls and have never smelled an odor. In contrast, I have been with many successful LA white girls who have had an odor. This doesn't mean they 'have something'. But yes it is an indication of bacteria. Anecdotally this tells me that the AC girls probably take a weekly antibiotic.
Some of you guys must have the worst luck. In my 10 years of mongering in PH I have encountered 2 smelly pussies out of hundreds. One beauty with a yeast infection. I promptly douched her with some hydrogen peroxide one part to 5 parts water. She cleared up in 2 days for some good fucking.
Totally agree. Have been with well over 100 AC girls and have never smelled an odor. In contrast, I have been with many successful LA white girls who have had an odor. This doesn't mean they 'have something'. But yes it is an indication of bacteria. Anecdotally this tells me that the AC girls probably take a weekly antibiotic.Generally Asian girls are meticulous in keeping their pussy clean. Ever wonder why they want shower before sex? On the other hand Americans are sloppy and no shower after a night of dancing and drinking. American girls tend to be prone to yeast infection. It maybe genetics or the various artificial items deodorants they use. Young girls do not seem to have that problem. Also it depends on how many sex partners they have. AC girls are hit and miss. I have had my share of smelly pussies everywhere. Yes, it kills the joy!
Since getting hookers in PI bars is easy, if you want to try non hookers online, is tinder or Filipino Cupid a good place to find them or all they all hookers there too. What experiences do you guys have.
NapaSlapper
06-27-23, 16:54
It's either you don't know what an actual good pussy smells like or there is a serious problem with your nose. I have been mongering in PH for 12+ years. Normal office workers, bank tellers, call center girls women who have jobs outside of the bar industry for the most part I would say you have a 70% chance of getting a decent, good smelling vagina.
Bar girls anywhere in the PH's is a completely different story and is the exact opposite of what I mention above. Going off my experience's and sample size from, Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Davao you have a 70% chance of getting a smelly vagina when taking a bar girl. Now before we get ahead of ourselves. Lets be very clear. There are different degrees of stench.
Level 1 - Code Red. Smells like,3 week old hot rotten fish, absolute putrid, completely disgustingly. Depending on how long my trip is there is usually just one Level 1 stinker per trip.
Level 2 - This type of smell is a strong fish smell that regardless of how many times she goes in the shower to use her feminine wash it doesn't go away. You get a bunch of these level 2 stinkers every trip.Thanks for being brave enough and honest enough to tell some home truths on tne matter.
Seems that the same couple of members who will have us believe all is well in Angeles are still banging their drum, they claim pussies never smell or hardly ever smell all girls are barfineable, all girls stay long time even the hottest ones, most girls love spending time sucking and fucking grand daddy, the girls enjoy it so much they have multiple orgasms one after the other, hell grand daddy is such a great lover that many bar girls fuck for free, every word that comes out of a bar girls mouth is to be believed 100%,koreans are no threat to them, in fact Angeles girls don't like Koreans they will claim, I'm so young and good looking that I have my choice of bargirls fighting over me, etc.
I file most of these claims in the dreaming section, or the never have left grannys basement section, as far as smelly pussies then there are many amongst Angeles girls and prostitutes in general, not surprising considering many of these girls have had thousands of different paying punters from all over the globe.
Since getting hookers in PI bars is easy, if you want to try non hookers online, is tinder or Filipino Cupid a good place to find them or all they all hookers there too. What experiences do you guys have.You will find hookers and non hookers in Tinder and Filipino Cupid.
Since getting hookers in PI bars is easy, if you want to try non hookers online, is tinder or Filipino Cupid a good place to find them or all they all hookers there too. What experiences do you guys have.Both the apps have working and civilian girls online. However, the odds of finding a true civilian online in AC is much lower than the PI in general.
The best way to meet civilians in AC, or anywhere else, is to get out and meet them face to face during the day at work, in shops etc. Expect a introductory coffee or platonic date first.
Enjoy. G.
Whats been happening on the town over the last week, was out in the bars on 2 nights last week, here's what's new.
Girlie drink prices have increased in many bars, where recently most bars charged 300 peso for girl drinks most bars now have increased that prce to 350 peso each, would have thought the powers that be would have been reducing lady drink prices and the large comissions the girls receive from them in order to encourage more girls to leave on barfines to earn their money rather than enabling more girls to staying in the bar.
Visits to la bamba bar, geckos bar, champagne bar, lollipop bar, order 1 drink in each only to leave before finishing said drinks due to boredom of looking at uglie fatties that mainly just stand on stage, no dancing, vefy little smiles and a couple of girls with their arms crossed on stage, very few customers and those that were customers were very old expats, barfines are all the one price in these bars that being 4,000 peso, in all honesty would be no loss if these bars were forced to close down, that way new blood and money can take over with owners that won't allow just any old fuglie on stage.
Arabesque bar, Q bar, in fairness there was a couple of girls in each of these two bars that were slim, mid 20's and ok looking, obviously the asians were all over them and buying drinks, apart from myself all other punters were asian, stayed for 1 drink in each..$$ is the king and always will be.
Totally agree. Have been with well over 100 AC girls and have never smelled an odor. In contrast, I have been with many successful LA white girls who have had an odor. This doesn't mean they 'have something'. But yes it is an indication of bacteria. Anecdotally this tells me that the AC girls probably take a weekly antibiotic.If you've been with 100 AC girls and never smelled bad pussy, I would say your sniffer is suspect. Absolutely worse poon I've EVER encountered was in PI. It's all about cleanliness and 100 out of 100 are stats unbelievable.
Maybe it's long Covid 😂.
It's either you don't know what an actual good pussy smells like or there is a serious problem with your nose. I have been mongering in PH for 12+ years. Normal office workers, bank tellers, call center girls women who have jobs outside of the bar industry for the most part I would say you have a 70% chance of getting a decent, good smelling vagina.
Bar girls anywhere in the PH's is a completely different story and is the exact opposite of what I mention above. Going off my experience's and sample size from, Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Davao you have a 70% chance of getting a smelly vagina when taking a bar girl. Now before we get ahead of ourselves. Lets be very clear. There are different degrees of stench.
Level 1 - Code Red. Smells like,3 week old hot rotten fish, absolute putrid, completely disgustingly. Depending on how long my trip is there is usually just one Level 1 stinker per trip.
Level 2 - This type of smell is a strong fish smell that regardless of how many times she goes in the shower to use her feminine wash it doesn't go away. You get a bunch of these level 2 stinkers every trip.
Level 3 - The fish scent is lighter here but its definitely still there, throw in a very good wash (scrubbing and rinsing) and you can almost not smell it for an hour or two, roughly 40%-50% of the girls fall into this Level 3 category. I can somewhat tolerate these vaginas buy breathing out of my mouth when the smell comes back but I would never ever think of putting my tongue anywhere near it!
Level 4 - This category there is no real fish scent, its mainly a sweaty acidic smell, these vaginas are very nice, great to enjoy, when you find one its almost like finding a unicorn- these are very hard to find so when I find one I have to keep for a couple days because you never know when you will find another.
Level 5 - Congratulations! - You have found your Unicorn. Absolutely zero fish scent. Absolutely zero musty scent. This is the holy grail. The smell is hard to describe but natural, clean and pure comes to mind. This is the only smell where I might go down south to show gratitude by licking the honey pot for being so unique. What I have done when I have found a level 5 is basically keep her for the rest of my trip, regardless of cost, I can't let her go until my trip is over. This is very very rare in the bar scene, almost never happens.This reminds me of a night long ago. I took a bar girl back to my hotel on MacArthur Blvd and we immediately took a swim in the hotel pool. After a while we went up to the room and showered together where I gave her naughty bits a good scrub. When we got to the bed and she was on her back, I started on her tits, slowly working my way down. At her belly button I was whisked away to the Sam Shing Hui market in Hong Kong. Needless to say, I went no further. I forced my cock to do the work my nose and tongue were unwilling to perform.
Locamotive
06-28-23, 01:20
Totally agree. Have been with well over 100 AC girls and have never smelled an odor. In contrast, I have been with many successful LA white girls who have had an odor. This doesn't mean they 'have something'. But yes it is an indication of bacteria. Anecdotally this tells me that the AC girls probably take a weekly antibiotic.I agree. In all my younger days and until I went to Asia White girls smell, at least most I had in High School and college and even there after. My assumption was that's just the way it is, not knock a buzzard off a garbage truck smell but they were all fishy to a degree. I went to Asia and it was first thing I noticed, damn these pussies have no smell. I'd get a bad one occasionally.
But for the most part odor free. I think its something in white girls diet or their genetics. Anyway I've been done with white girls long ago but yes looking back I do remember those days.
In my experience, 200 women and counting, there is a direct correlation between the facilities and type of mongering and clean poo tang. Escorts are the cleanest, since they shower at your hotel and then after and do less clients. Bar girls like hk where they don't shower after and run back down are the worse. Termas are great because they shower before and after too. Never been to asia, but it sounds like the bar girls are up and down with few showers. Reason I don't do villa mimosa or el Centro. Filthy rooms and just a sink in some places. Nasty. I'll pass.
If you've been with 100 AC girls and never smelled bad pussy, I would say your sniffer is suspect. Absolutely worse poon I've EVER encountered was in PI. It's all about cleanliness and 100 out of 100 are stats unbelievable.
Maybe it's long Covid 😂.He is fishing in a better pool than the others. He posted what his experience is as like mine. Unless you or the others were in the same room at the same time lurking and sniffing behind the curtains then you really don't have anything to say.
I was there this past week with 10 girls. None smelled bad. A couple of 18 and 19 yo had no smell at all.
NapaSlapper
06-28-23, 15:36
I agree. In all my younger days and until I went to Asia White girls smell, at least most I had in High School and college and even there after. My assumption was that's just the way it is, not knock a buzzard off a garbage truck smell but they were all fishy to a degree. I went to Asia and it was first thing I noticed, damn these pussies have no smell. I'd get a bad one occasionally.
But for the most part odor free. I think its something in white girls diet or their genetics. Anyway I've been done with white girls long ago but yes looking back I do remember those days.You do realise that there is roughly 170 million females in the usa, are you trying to say that due to 170 million american girls diets their pussies stink, the mind boggles at some claims it really does.
Trying to claim that asian pussies on the whole smell less is just not true, you do realise that anything like menstrual cycle, normal discharge, bacterial vaginosis, Trichomoniasis can and does occur regularly in girls pussies the world over causing a fishy smell including of course asian pussies.
But What we are discussing here is not slight fishy smells but 10 week old rotten fish smell that can't be scrubbed away regardless of how much washing one does on a girls pussy.
These pussies are usually desease pussies to smell that bad, how does a girl get a desease pussy well by letting thousands of paying strangers that have previously had sex with thousands of other possibly desease prostitutes the world over ejaculate in their pussies normally several times per day by multiple guys.
It does not take a rocket scientist to work out the much higher risks of pussy desease and therefore possible foul smells amongst the angeles girls that are selling their pussy and having unprotected sex with multiple punters, looking at the facts then to suggest asian pros are imune to desese and therefore smelly pussy is far from true IMHO.
NapaSlapper
06-28-23, 16:20
He is fishing in a better pool than the others. He posted what his experience is as like mine. Unless you or the others were in the same room at the same time lurking and sniffing behind the curtains then you really don't have anything to say.
I was there this past week with 10 girls. None smelled bad. A couple of 18 and 19 yo had no smell at all.How do you know he was fishing in a better pool if you were not in the same room lurking and sniffing behind the curtains?
Morale of the story be careful of what you say before you get caught out with your own words.
FuriousGeorge
06-28-23, 19:27
Because I said so. And also because I said I've smelled plenty of odor, just not in AC. There is nothing wrong with sharing experiences, and we all understand that this is ANECDOTAL. Nobody's doing a peer reviewed study on this, so it's just conversation that may be of interest.
I always shower with the girl, and that will certainly wash away some of the funk (we have it too BTW), but if she has a real infection, that's not going to cut it. The weekly health checks are designed to find exactly that. Hell, they could test positive for the clap every week, take the antibiotic, and be back in the game in a few days for all we know.
How do you know he was fishing in a better pool if you were not in the same room lurking and sniffing behind the curtains?
Morale of the story be careful of what you say before you get caught out with your own words.
He is fishing in a better pool than the others....Like most, I've had fresh and stale pussy. I will say though that the sweetest smelling and tasting was from the Philippines: a beautiful promo dancer from ICON Cebu. I don't think she was banging 10 guys a day off the streets but was certainly open to overtime after work. I'd put her in the upper end of the hooker scale. Her pussy smelt and tasted devine.
That pussy is definitely one of the few that is burned in to my memory for all the right reasons.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. Should I meet her again, I'll be sure to invite everyone over so that we can get a weighted average rating. 😜.
...At 10:59 pm I received a message saying that she was on her way and she suggested coming straight to the room. Obviously, I was fine with that. A couple of minutes later she arrived. Holy Shit!! I received some profile pics earlier but they were not fair warning. In the flesh, she was incredible: max 5'0", maybe 75 lb and stacked with DDs. She was standing there in leggings and a sports bra, dripping with sweat, having come straight from 4 hours of dance rehearsals. I was already harder than Chinese Calculus. She requested a shower where I valiantly helped her out of her clothes and tongue bathed every crevice. In bed those tits made great play pads and we had several sessions. All positions were catered for and she had a mouse's ear that tasted heavenly. . . .
So, I'm late 30's guy, not tall or great looking in my own mind to western standards. Got a bit of a gut (but working on it). First time I went to AC was 2012 or so. Probably went back 20 times since then. Alot of that was helped by loving in a East Asian country for work so no 20+ hour flying time to get there.
I think I have barfined a single girl in all those trips. I personally can't stand the bars, not even in the US or east Asia. I just don't particularly like being out in big clubs or places like that.
Anyway I've always had a good time and it really all goes back to the first trip I took. Before I left I was on DIA chatting to women in the area.
I found one, she was cute enough about 24-25 at the time great in bed, really knew how to throw it back. Next trip she introduced me to her sister. Another great time. Let me fast forward to the this year 2023. Saw the second sister again and have been chatting with her since I got back in January. Come next February I am going to complete the set in the time between 2012 and 2023 I got with 4 of 6 sister and next year I will see little sisters 5 and 6 in this family. A 21 yea old with 1 baby and a 23 year old with no kids. Plus the second sister who I keep telling is my Mamasan is going to find some more girls in the barangay who want to earn 2 k pesos, a meal and some time in an Air conditioned room.
I know its 2023 now and a long time has passed but, these girls are very trusting, if you find a girl and ask about her friends or if she has family she will probably hook you up. Plus now you have Tinder. Once you get the hard-core pros out of the way it's like shooting fish in a barrel.If you put on your tinder profile in AC or Manilla." 18 to 25 no hookers no kids natural busty girls nice personality " how many hits would you realistically get. Let the ad weed out the hardcore pros and everything else I don't like.
Like most, I've had fresh and stale pussy. I will say though that the sweetest smelling and tasting was from the Philippines: a beautiful promo dancer from ICON Cebu. I don't think she was banging 10 guys a day off the streets but was certainly open to overtime after work. I'd put her in the upper end of the hooker scale. Her pussy smelt and tasted devine.
That pussy is definitely one of the few that is burned in to my memory for all the right reasons.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. Should I meet her again, I'll be sure to invite everyone over so that we can get a weighted average rating..Sounds like you found my unicorn. Skinny girl with natural DDs. When a girl has that she is a 8 and goes to 9 or 10 if she is pretty too. Keep her number. If I ever get to PI I will hit you up for it. LOL.
If you put on your tinder profile in AC or Manilla." 18 to 25 no hookers no kids natural busty girls nice personality " how many hits would you realistically get. Let the ad weed out the hardcore pros and everything else I don't like.Any reasonably attractive girls gets 100's of messages a day. Stunners get 1000's. That's no exaggeration. Hence, they are very unlikely to be the ones sending the first message. 99.99% of the time they will be responding to messages etc not sending them.
The only unsolicited messages I've ever received have been from the desperate and dateless, generally purely commercial girls. Certainly not attractive, employed, civilian girls.
Its not zero, but very few guys and girls read profiles as they are mostly meaningless, say the same thing as everyone else and / or only there as a smoke screen for friends and family that may see them. I've had countless pure as snow profiles offer to come around in 15 minutes to blow my mind for the right price.
In short, you contact girls that you find attractive and present whatever proposal suits you regardless of if it's sinful or clean.
Enjoy. G.
Sounds like you found my unicorn. Skinny girl with natural DDs. When a girl has that she is a 8 and goes to 9 or 10 if she is pretty too. Keep her number. If I ever get to PI I will hit you up for it. LOL.Sure but, without getting too far off thread, have you been to Davao? See the pics below. 😍.
I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.
Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.
Any reasonably attractive girls gets 100's of messages a day. Stunners get 1000's. That's no exaggeration. Hence, they are very unlikely to be the ones sending the first message. 99.99% of the time they will be responding to messages etc not sending them.
The only unsolicited messages I've ever received have been from the desperate and dateless, generally purely commercial girls. Certainly not attractive, employed, civilian girls.
Its not zero, but very few guys and girls read profiles as they are mostly meaningless, say the same thing as everyone else and / or only there as a smoke screen for friends and family that may see them. I've had countless pure as snow profiles offer to come around in 15 minutes to blow my mind for the right price.
In short, you contact girls that you find attractive and present whatever proposal suits you regardless of if it's sinful or clean.
Enjoy. G.Instead of having to compete with 1000's of online profiles, do you think going to all the malls is better, since they speak English. The main reason I want to go to PI is it would be the first mongering country where the regular girls speak English. Usually I have to use my horrible Spanish or horrible Portuguese to hit on regular girls, and it's so hard. Would you say the regular girls at the malls and servers at restaurants are hotter than the hookers at the bars and massage places, or do most hot ones go into hooking.
There seems to be mixed reports on this forum. Maybe it's due to standards, maybe it's for other reasons. No one can really know until they experience it for themselves.
Here are my observations on Angeles.
There are fewer bars than pre-COVID.
The percentage of them owned or run by Koreans is higher than pre-COVID. This is due to them buying some out and also due to some non-Korean owned ones not reopening. All bars were welcoming. Girls act differently in different bars. Some are more hands-on and initiate drinks / contact. Others wait for call downs and for you to approach them. In some bars, girls won't take any notice at all until you initiate contact. Don't always take this as being ignored. Cherry girls are fakes / scams aimed at the Asian market. Whether Asian punters know this or not, I'm unsure. They might just enjoy the illusion.
The overall quality of girls is about the same as 2016-2019, but there are fewer of them to go around. There are some pretty girls, but nothing amazing that I've seen in bars. The best I've seen is probably around a 7 face with a 9 body. There are some Korean-only girls, but the percentage isn't that high. They are sometimes the best-looking girls in the bar, but not always. Even so, they are nothing special as they are still bar girls. Any genuinely hot girls don't need to be working in the bar anymore, so you shouldn't expect to be amazed by anyone's beauty. It is down to personal taste, but K-focused girls seem to be a certain style rather than actually 'better looking'. Underneath, they are almost the same. If you like this style too, then you have to try to compete with the Koreans. You can find these girls outside the bars, but on their shift, it's harder since they are discouraged by the bar owners from going with a Westerner over a Korean. This is actually more specific with Koreans than Asians. When I was in a bar with 2 other Asians who turned out to be Chinese, they were far more open and weren't bothered by the Chinese. I think Korean bar owners actually dislike them, so that discouragement doesn't exist. Although the girls might have their own views on who's going to spend more and be an easier night.
In Angeles KTV / JTV, the quality is only a bit higher overall, but they are a different style of girl. Taller, lighter. So their Asian value is higher. Again, this is down to personal taste, but you might not find them prettier or hotter. If you are open to darker-skinned girls, you'll find better bodies and possibly a face in the bars. You can meet some of them out of their shift, but a lot of them are actually platonic and already have Filipino boyfriends. Those ones are there for salaries only. For the ones who do take p4 p / relationships, if you're within a 20-year age range, it will make things a lot easier for you.
Freelancer scene:
Clubs. Mega, Hammer, Eclipse.
Online:
For higher quality girls. Tinder, Tantan.
Easy p4 p. Pinalove (not a huge amount of girls).
Random. DIA, Badoo, any others.
There are various clubs / bars scattered around the city that locals hang out too. They're popping up all the time. I spent 1 night at Shinma in Balibago. It was 90% Filipinos, some Koreans and me and 2 others were the only Westerners. I already had company when I went there; however, the other Westerner was young and decent-looking, and he was picking up some girls.
I don't think this is a p4 p crowd, but with discretion and approach, I'm sure something can be found. When going to clubs with many Filipinos, make sure the girls are there alone. Don't piss off any locals, it can and will turn nasty.
Longer term / Non-p4 p. The above apps. Takes more effort. You probably need more time. Although if you're doing this, there are better places in the Philippines to do it.
Costs. Bars: 3-5 k short time, 4-6 k long time. Some don't do LT.
- KTV if they do it outside shift 5 k + whatever the arrangement.
- Freelance 2-6 k depending on quality.
Is this place worth visiting? Well, it depends on where you are and your budget. If you're in Asia already, it's okay for 3-5 days. If you have a longer holiday planned, there are better places to do it in Asia and even the Philippines.
If you're a long, expensive flight away, then some research in more local areas might be worth it instead with everything added up.
Even the best-looking p4 p Filipinas in AC don't compare to Latinas, Eastern Europeans, or even other Asians like Thais. English speaking is usually their only plus point.
If the Philippines is a must, and you like it for other reasons but still want p4 p, then you can find far better options in Manila. If you can tap in to non pro market if you're rich or young or all of them then Filipinas can still be some of the best in my opinion.
Overall, AC for girl quality is average. If you love to drink and want an abundance of average girls to bareback, then you will enjoy AC. If you are old enough to find the hardened bar girls who are 25-35 years old 'young', then you will enjoy AC.
If you like 18-21, you will be relying on good timing, luck, and your wallet. If you have a long time (months), you will find plenty of whatever you're looking for.
None of this is set in stone. It's based on my observations of being here for the last 6 months. I work online, and I'm 32. Cebu is my next destination, and from what I've heard, p4 p in bars will be less available but more of other opportunities.
Good luck to anyone visiting.
This is the AC forum. My posts are regarding AC. It is my experience in AC unless stated otherwise. I have found AC still offers what I like to my satisfaction. You guys are responsible for your own. If your experience is unsatisfying then so stated it. Please state it from your own experience.
Past visit I was in a Korean bar that was welcoming to all. Not just Koreans. I saw 3-4 Koreans sit with 12 girls for hours drinking and ordering pizza delivery. Drinks and pizza were offered to me by the Korean "brothers". Brother is what they call me and westerner others in the bar. At least that night and the next by other Koreans to me and other westerns. The first night the 3-4 Koreans tipped every girl 1 k each upon leaving. I heard they spent over P100 k that night. The next night I saw the other set of Koreans do a shower with a stack of 50's. Probably a stack of 200 bills. They offered to buy me drinks but I declined. BTW, I only drink sodas.
At the Korean bar I never felt any discrimination with the bar girls. Matter of fact I barfined 4 lovely girls there. BF was 4 k for st. 4. 5 k for LT.
I stayed at ABC Hotel and saw quite a few Koreans there now. More so than before. At times for breakfast and dinner I perched myself at Vintage Hall. There I can see the comings and goings during the mornings and evenings. One thing I did noticed was the Koreans did not all have hotties. Most had 7's in my mind. Most of the Koreans were in groups of 3-4 with the same amount of girls tagging along.
I did not see any with stunners. They might have them but I didn't see any.
I was there the other week that NS said he was there. Dancers are still in 2 colors of bikinis determining the barfine rate. One is 3500 and the other is 4000.
One night they had a decent amount of barfinable girls. I did BF two. One I had already known from before. The next night I went back and the whole terrain had changed. Quite a few heavies. It was about 10 pm.
Morrison, magic, charlie sheen. You know what they all had in common. They banged over 1000 girls each bareback. You have no idea if they were doing anal back and forth. You weren't there. They all admitted to being with over 1000 women. Magic was 3000 if I remember.
NapaSlapper
06-30-23, 04:07
Don't often hit the bars of walking st on a Tuesday but as it was a bar owners birthday and he had invited me and friends to attend we went out.
Tuesday night was very quiet indeed, the streets looked pretty deserted apart from a few handfulls of asians, again going on from my last barhop review it seems that the chinese have truly discovered angeles and are growing in number, looking at most they are in their 20's / early 30's,many dressed well in expensive clothes and fairly handsome, looks like they will be giving the koreans a run for their money when it comes to the very few better looking angeles girls.
The couple of western oriented bars we popped into including lollipop bar, monsoon, champagne bar were all very quiet for punters and girls, I call them girls but maybe older women might be more accurate, did not see even 1 girl worth buying a drink for, the quality is real low, many girls 35-40 years old and fat, yes some report they find their type of girls in these western bars, all I can say is they definately are not for me and going by my my drinking pals not for them either but each to their own I guess.
Again XS bar was the standout, being a Tuesday night it too was a bit quiet for punters but there was a few slimmer ok looking girls in, some of the other asian bars were quiet for both girls and punters, Friday and Saturday nights see more punters all be it asian punters.
In all I have to agree with the member who a couple of posts ago claimed that angeles girls are in the main much older and plain, the very few girls that are a bit younger, a bit slimmer, a bit better looking are working in the asian bars and prefer asian punters only, I also fully agree that even the top girls angeles has to offer are in fact not that top just better than most of the others.
In summing up, those that enjoy angeles obviously have a totally different taste in girls than those that don't enjoy it or can't find their type of girls, as said even the best looking angeles bar girl is nowhere near as attractive as non bargirl pinays and a far cry to what can be found in the bars of so many other asian destinations, many guys like to put scores to angeles bar girls for looks and body, well those that claim 7's,8's,9's can be found in the bars of angeles city must be marking their score out of a possible 100.
Sorry to be blunt in my trip reports but in all honesty many things need saying in order to give information to those that are thinking of spending thousands of usd to maybe make a trip, yes if one is already in the phills maybe ok for 1 or 2 days to see what its all about but that's about it.
If you have a longer holiday planned, there are better places to do it in Asia and even the Philippines.
If you're a long, expensive flight away, then some research in more local areas might be worth it instead with everything added up.
Even the best-looking p4 p Filipinas in AC don't compare to Latinas, Eastern Europeans, or even other Asians like Thais. English speaking is usually their only plus point.
If the Philippines is a must, and you like it for other reasons but still want p4 p, then you can find far better options in Manila. If you can tap in to non pro market if you're rich or young or all of them then Filipinas can still be some of the best in my opinion.
Overall, AC for girl quality is average. If you love to drink and want an abundance of average girls to bareback, then you will enjoy AC. If you are old enough to find the hardened bar girls who are 25-35 years old 'young', then you will enjoy AC.Any alternative suggestions that include bareback? I agree filipinas are ugly. But can't find any places with equal bareback options.
Instead of having to compete with 1000's of online profiles, do you think going to all the malls is better, since they speak English. The main reason I want to go to PI is it would be the first mongering country where the regular girls speak English. Usually I have to use my horrible Spanish or horrible Portuguese to hit on regular girls, and it's so hard. Would you say the regular girls at the malls and servers at restaurants are hotter than the hookers at the bars and massage places, or do most hot ones go into hooking.I've never understood the assumption that the prettiest girls in town are hanging from a pole, hooking in bars. Sure their hair and makeup may be in point (even that is a maybe now) but I have seen far more naturally beautiful girls out in the wild. Its amazing the number of absolute goddesses I have seen in dry market buying carrots or stepping into a 50c trike, jeepney or angkot.
Pinas everywhere are amazingly approachable. AC also has the advantage of all the girls know why we are there and they themselves have generally come to town in search of funds, legitimate or not. If you are polite and don't start every conversation as if you are talking to a hooker, then you will have no problems finding girls in malls, restaurants etc. Just understand it may not be point and shoot. There may be an introductory coffee or a wait until after work involved. Its worth the effort though.
Yes, english is spoken broadly everywhere esp by any girl in AC interested in meeting a foreigner.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
06-30-23, 13:50
The main reason I want to go to PI is it would be the first mongering country where the regular girls speak English. Usually I have to use my horrible Spanish or horrible Portuguese to hit on regular girls, and it's so hard. Couple of thoughts on English and Tagalog here. The English is spoken with a hard accent, where the sylables are often separated (whereas in Brit / Am English, they run together). It can be a bit difficult to get used to. And the girl's English is a small subset of the words that you are used to using; just the basics, depending on who you are talking to. Academic English is not a thing here. OTOH, your Spanish, no matter how weak, will be a bonus, as you will catch words here and there when two pinoy are talking to each other, as there are Spanish words in all the dialects here. See my previous reporting.
Would you say the regular girls at the malls and servers at restaurants are hotter than the hookers at the bars and massage places, or do most hot ones go into hooking.That's difficult. You will see hotties in gogo bars. But not so much in massage places; massage places here typically just have massage ladies (all ages and looks) who may or may not double as hookers once on the table (not where you go when you are wanting attractive). But yes, there are oodles of servers and mall employees that are pretty. In fact, they are typically in the 18-30 age range (unlike in my country, where they hire all ages), as most businesses hire only youth.
Sure their hair and makeup may be in point (even that is a maybe now) but I have seen far more naturally beautiful girls out in the wild. Its amazing the number of absolute goddesses I have seen in dry market buying carrots or stepping into a 50c trike, jeepney or angkot. True'er words never been spoke. You can find lots of head turners just sitting at a coffee shop or in any mall.
Pinas everywhere are amazingly approachable.All pinoy are very approachable. They chat up anyone on the street. Their manners often require them to say "Good morning / afternoon" to everyone, even complete strangers. Just saying 'Hi' to a pinoy strikes up a conversation. They will often ask your name and where you are from. A few conversation starters for you to get them talking:
1) What's your name?
2) Where are you from? They will tell you the city. Press the issue:
3) Oh I see. But from what Barangay there? If you know *anything* about that barangay or area, mention it: 'Do they still have the round-about circle in Fuente'?
4) How many brothers and sisters do you have? Pinoy love to talk about their immediate fam.
5) What do you do for fun when you are not at work?
6) Do you like to sing? Videoke (a popular pastime)? Can you tell me where to go for that? Really? Would you like to show me that place sometime?
7) Did you college any?
Go get 'them.
All pinoy are very approachable. They chat up anyone on the street. Their manners often require them to say "Good morning / afternoon" to everyone, even complete strangers. Just saying 'Hi' to a pinoy strikes up a conversation.
Risky advice from WC and must be used with serious discretion.
All pinays are NOT readily approachable.
Two examples from last week.
A pinay friend, happily married to another pinoy, told us at the weekend how she hates it when guys (usually foreigners), try to chat her up. She is a very sexy woman but she also has read the manual and she knows very well when guys are trying to put the moves on her.
Pity the guy who tries WC's lines on her.
Second example closer to home.
My wife (a pinay) was approached in Robinson's by a foreigner with a "Hello. You are very beautiful. What's your name?
Having been well-schooled in the wiles of sleazy foreigners, she gave this guy the full brunt of her tongue, so much so that a security guard intervened with an "are you ok ma'am?
She said "No. This guy is harassing me". He was last seen running rapidly away towards a mall exit.
So guys. Be more selective, and absolutely DO NOT hand out cards with your name and phone number on it. I attended a recent lunch during which an interesting example was shared of a guy who did this in a Cebu mall to a young girl who was under-age. She took the card, gave it to her parents, and between them and a friendly policewoman they set up a sting which seriously embarrassed the guy to such an extent that he is black-listed from the PH for the next 3 years.
Risky advice from WC and must be used with serious discretion.
All pinays are NOT readily approachable.
Two examples from last week.
A pinay friend, happily married to another pinoy, told us at the weekend how she hates it when guys (usually foreigners), try to chat her up. She is a very sexy woman but she also has read the manual and she knows very well when guys are trying to put the moves on her.
Pity the guy who tries WC's lines on her.
Second example closer to home.
My wife (a pinay) was approached in Robinson's by a foreigner with a "Hello. You are very beautiful. What's your name?
Having been well-schooled in the wiles of sleazy foreigners, she gave this guy the full brunt of her tongue, so much so that a security guard intervened with an "are you ok ma'am?
She said "No. This guy is harassing me". He was last seen running rapidly away towards a mall exit.
So guys. Be more selective, and absolutely DO NOT hand out cards with your name and phone number on it. I attended a recent lunch during which an interesting example was shared of a guy who did this in a Cebu mall to a young girl who was under-age. She took the card, gave it to her parents, and between them and a friendly policewoman they set up a sting which seriously embarrassed the guy to such an extent that he is black-listed from the PH for the next 3 years.Ha ha nice read, especially the last paragraph.
SeaTraveler
06-30-23, 20:21
Money talks, bullshit walks. I'm American.
Curious question. In ASIAN BARS, has anyone offered same money as Koreans or perhaps even more to get the girl you want?
If yes, were the results positive?
Cheers, SEA Traveler.
Money talks, bullshit walks. I'm American.
Curious question. In ASIAN BARS, has anyone offered same money as Koreans or perhaps even more to get the girl you want?
If yes, were the results positive?
Cheers, SEA Traveler.The real issue is not money. It is that some Asian men don't like sharing their women with western men. For the women working the Korean bars if they are seen going with a western man then the Korean men will shun them. So it is not just a matter of matching the prices being paid by the Korean men. This is not just a Korean thing. You will run into similar issues in Japan and China. Of course there will be exceptions. For the girls I don't think most really care. It is all about making money.
Money talks, bullshit walks. I'm American.
Curious question. In ASIAN BARS, has anyone offered same money as Koreans or perhaps even more to get the girl you want?
If yes, were the results positive?
Cheers, SEA Traveler.I'm far too tight fisted to get into bidding wars but I've certainly seen both extremes: guys dropping trays of drinks with little to show for it and broke dive masters getting K girls to drop around during the day for a pittance.
Being happy to spend big bucks will get results but don't be surprised if the top girls see you as an easy mark to extract a lot of cash for essentially nothing in return. Rather than splashing cash for one night, better to set a precedence for paying well for good service from attractive girls.
As usual, I'm avoiding generalisations. Will all K girls jump at the opportunity? No. Will some? Likely.
Enjoy. G.
Risky advice from WC and must be used with serious discretion.
All pinays are NOT readily approachable...
So guys. Be more selective, and absolutely DO NOT hand out cards with your name and phone number on it. I attended a recent lunch during which an interesting example was shared of a guy who did this in a Cebu mall to a young girl who was under-age. She took the card, gave it to her parents, and between them and a friendly policewoman they set up a sting which seriously embarrassed the guy to such an extent that he is black-listed from the PH for the next 3 years.RK,
Valid points. There is a time and a place for everything. There is a big difference between smiling or saying Hello to a girl and leering at her and immediately asking her back to the hotel room.
Saying Hi to a hottie in SM Clark is eminently doable. Handing out name cards and a BJ invitations to wealthy under age cuties in greenbelt is just Natural Selection.
Enjoy. G.
Any alternative suggestions that include bareback? I agree Filipinas are ugly. But can't find any places with equal bareback options.Equal? Maybe not. Possibly Jakarta from what I've heard.
Less options but definitely possible include:
Thailand. I've experienced about 50% of pros will do it for an extra tip. Discuss upfront. Play the game, they are more mindful about their body & health than Filipinas. Don't say something like, I only do bareback sex take it or leave it. Guide the conversation in the way of something like, I've been here 3 days and only had sex with a condom so far. It's boring me. Are you open to not using one?/ Know any girls who are? Or anything else you think of.
Colombia. Again around 50%. Helps if you know some Spanish to talk to the girls a bit more. They will expect a tip, possibly even double the rate. These were freelancers from apps. Not the strip club girls. In the clubs it was barely up for negotiation but I think if you liked one of them and had them back to your place as a more regular then all bets are off.
Risky advice from WC and must be used with serious discretion.
So guys. Be more selective, and absolutely DO NOT hand out cards with your name and phone number on it. I attended a recent lunch during which an interesting example was shared of a guy who did this in a Cebu mall to a young girl who was under-age. She took the card, gave it to her parents, and between them and a friendly policewoman they set up a sting which seriously embarrassed the guy to such an extent that he is black-listed from the PH for the next 3 years.No sympathy for the twat. This is the worst tactic in the history of approaching and I just never understood why anyone thought it was ever a good idea.
With respect we have been over this countless times, lollipop bar does not have 2 types of bikini colour deplicting the girls price, all girls are 4,000 peso, how do I know this I have been in lollipop bar countless times over the last few weeks / months and was last there 2 nights ago, as pointed out before, the bar owner, the manager, the mama, the girls all confirm the bikini colours mean nothing and all girls are 4,000 peso, hell most nights many girls are wearing white, blue yellow and any other colour bikini in lollipop bar.
Quite happy to meet you in lollipop bar any night of the week, I know the owner / manager / mama well, we can ask them outright, and put this to bed once and for all, beers on me.I will take you up on your gracious offer. I will be there mid July. 13th or 14th will probably work for me. Set a time please and I will report in to the owner or manager so we can meet without wondering around the bar.
Money talks, bullshit walks. I'm American.
Curious question. In ASIAN BARS, has anyone offered same money as Koreans or perhaps even more to get the girl you want?
If yes, were the results positive?
Cheers, SEA Traveler.With respect what does being an American have to do with it? I am an American too.
I have only been to two so called Asian bars. They have a set barfine amount. I doubt there is a bidding process. You either get there early or miss out per other posts.
Asian businesses are set up for Asians probably because of laugage and cultural differences. Just like in Friendship.
NapaSlapper
07-01-23, 09:09
I will take you up on your gracious offer. I will be there mid July. 13th or 14th will probably work for me. Set a time please and I will report in to the owner or manager so we can meet without wondering around the bar.Just send me a pm when your ready ill bring my camera too so that we can let the good members see exactly the 18/19 year old stunners you continually boast about having no problem in attracting from lollipop bar, should be interesting.
NapaSlapper
07-01-23, 09:57
The real issue is not money. It is that some Asian men don't like sharing their women with western men. For the women working the Korean bars if they are seen going with a western man then the Korean men will shun them. So it is not just a matter of matching the prices being paid by the Korean men. This is not just a Korean thing. You will run into similar issues in Japan and China. Of course there will be exceptions. For the girls I don't think most really care. It is all about making money.Eventually we have a member that knows what he is talking about when it comes to korean bars!
Exactly what you are claiming is 100% what's happening in angeles bars, westerners stand no chance of getting any pussy from the many asian / korean owned and oriented bars because as you say once a girl is seen leaving with a westerner she might as well kiss goodbye her chances of ever earning another peso from the high spending koreans, word travels, that one night will cost her dear.
A couple of old western board members boast to us here that they are able to fuck any girl they choose from the korean bars, in fact a member boasted a few posts ago that he had attended a korean bar just last week and bar fined many girls from there.
Due to my work I entertain many asian clients, many times in the korean bars of angeles, I have wrote many times in my bar reports that I hardly ever see westerners in the korean bars and the ones I do on very rare occasions are sitting alone, yes they desperately try to get the attention of the girls that work there only to be mainly ignored by said girls.
In reality, on my countless visits to the korean oriented bars that employ the only younger ok looking girls I have never seen a westerner even once sitting with one of the girls that work there let alone leave with one, it is what it is, westerners have to accept the girls the koreans don't want that work in the few western owned bars in order to get laid for the reasons stated above, westerners sure as hell are not going to get with the korean only girls, although some will fantasize that they did.
Its amazing the number of absolute goddesses I have seen in dry market buying carrots or stepping into a 50c trike, jeepney or angkot.Yes, traditionally one of the great charms of the Philippines but there's a problem these days: too many of them are getting fat. I spent a couple hours at the Mall of Asia recently and could scarcely believe it. Twenty or even ten years ago the malls were filled with slender young hotties. I hardly saw any. Once again emulating America and not in a good way.
Yes, traditionally one of the great charms of the Philippines but there's a problem these days: too many of them are getting fat. I spent a couple hours at the Mall of Asia recently and could scarcely believe it. Twenty or even ten years ago the malls were filled with slender young hotties. I hardly saw any. Once again emulating America and not in a good way.Unfortunately, I totally agree. Luckily the solution is simple: go West young man. Skip the mega malls of Manila and Cebu and seek out the provincial markets. JolliBee is the devil incarnate while poverty and malnutrition is to be rewarded.
Enjoy. G.
Just send me a pm when your ready ill bring my camera too so that we can let the good members see exactly the 18/19 year old stunners you continually boast about having no problem in attracting from lollipop bar, should be interesting.Set for 6:00 pm, July 14,2023. I will let the waitress know DG is there and to inform the Manager / Owner to let you know I am there.
BTW, I did not say there were stunners in Lollipop or any other bars. I said there are 18-19 yo 8's+ available. In my AC experience I have not seen any stunners but some very good lookers. 8. 5 range.
WestCoast1
07-02-23, 11:17
Risky advice from WC and must be used with serious discretion. All pinays are NOT readily approachable.
Two examples from last week.Good point, and I should have been more specific. I was thinking of AC specifically. Inserting one's self into the biz of complete strangers was not my meaning. I'm sure the examples given by the good RK were not the type of persons I was discussing.
We might have to disagree, I maintain that most pinoy like to chat. However I live in the province, where foreigners are more of an oddity and celebrity. I was 'Hey Joe'd three times today. Stopping to chat with anyone who does that has never turned up anyone unhappy with the conversation. Just the opposite, its gotten me invited to their homes or a game of hoops. Its possible that I am simply approachable.
RK, Valid points. There is a time and a place for everything. There is a big difference between smiling or saying Hello to a girl and leering at her and immediately asking her back to the hotel room. Saying Hi to a hottie in SM Clark is eminently doable. Enjoy. G.Agreed. SM Clark is an oddity in my opinion. Striking up conversation with more than one SMC kiosk girl (or alternately, continuing friendly banter with similar girls who struck up conversation with me), started a dating process that seems to me to be accelerated, with the girl tossing off her panties by the second or third date. One of these pre-covid relationships still exists; I saw the girl last year for several nights / mornings of bliss, and we both plan to do so again.
No sympathy for the twat. This is the worst tactic in the history of approaching and I just never understood why anyone thought it was ever a good idea.Every opinion is worth considering (and no sympathy is needed). JC you will have to fall in line when calling me names. However, just because you don't understand something, does not mean that its not effective. I have a modestly good track record. If something works repeatedly over time, then by definition it can't be the worst tactic in history. YMMV.
Yes, traditionally one of the great charms of the Philippines but there's a problem these days: too many of them are getting fat. I spent a couple hours at the Mall of Asia recently and could scarcely believe it. Twenty or even ten years ago the malls were filled with slender young hotties. I hardly saw any. Once again emulating America and not in a good way.What percentage of Filipinos have dd natural when you're walking around or going to the bars.
Mr Enternational
07-02-23, 12:33
Every opinion is worth considering (and no sympathy is needed). JC you will have to fall in line when calling me names. However, just because you don't understand something, does not mean that its not effective. I think he was talking about the guy that gave his number to an underage chick.
What percentage of Filipinos have dd natural when you're walking around or going to the bars.Zero point zero zero one and they are probably chubby.
What percentage of Filipinos have dd natural when you're walking around or going to the bars.SillyCones are a rarity in PI. Far less popular than say BKK. I won't say never, but you would be lucky to walk into a bar and find any.
Pinas are definitely getting fatter so cup sizes are increasing. If you don't mind that, I'd say 25% of bar girls have more than a handful. If you want slim bikini bods with big tits, now that's a far less likely. Maybe one per bar on a good night.
Enjoy. G.
Agreed. SM Clark is an oddity in my opinion. Striking up conversation with more than one SMC kiosk girl (or alternately, continuing friendly banter with similar girls who struck up conversation with me), started a dating process that seems to me to be accelerated, with the girl tossing off her panties by the second or third date.Even if the girl that I am politely chatting with isn't interested in taking it further, then it's common for her friends, workmates or the inevitable "cousins" with looser morals to soon appear and join in, moths to a flame.
This is why I always advocate for being chatty and polite to start with. Immediate requests for a BBBJ will just scare off the shy but inquisitive and / or the conversation will be over before her willing friends arrive.
Enjoy. G.
SeaTraveler
07-03-23, 00:28
The real issue is not money. It is that some Asian men don't like sharing their women with western men. For the women working the Korean bars if they are seen going with a western man then the Korean men will shun them. So it is not just a matter of matching the prices being paid by the Korean men. This is not just a Korean thing. You will run into similar issues in Japan and China. Of course there will be exceptions. For the girls I don't think most really care. It is all about making money.Thank you for the reply. What you said makes perfect sense. Bob.
SeaTraveler
07-03-23, 00:32
Thank you for the observations. Based on this and another post, perhaps the best plan of action might be to discretely get phone numbers in the bars for side action during the day. If it works, I'll post it. Cheers, Bob.
I'm far too tight fisted to get into bidding wars but I've certainly seen both extremes: guys dropping trays of drinks with little to show for it and broke dive masters getting K girls to drop around during the day for a pittance.
Being happy to spend big bucks will get results but don't be surprised if the top girls see you as an easy mark to extract a lot of cash for essentially nothing in return. Rather than splashing cash for one night, better to set a precedence for paying well for good service from attractive girls.
As usual, I'm avoiding generalisations. Will all K girls jump at the opportunity? No. Will some? Likely.
Enjoy. G.
SeaTraveler
07-03-23, 00:35
I like to know who my audience is. I assume others might as well. If not, they can disregard.
That's my only answer. Cheers.
With respect what does being an American have to do with it? I am an American too.
I have only been to two so called Asian bars. They have a set barfine amount. I doubt there is a bidding process. You either get there early or miss out per other posts.
Asian businesses are set up for Asians probably because of laugage and cultural differences. Just like in Friendship.
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