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In Niftys and couple other places, it was more of buy ladydrinks and tip for the show.At its peak, around 2008-10, Nifty's was totally sleazy and outrageously great. They always seemed to have one or two nice young new girls, and absolutely anything went. When your feelings overcame you they had these kind of cutained-off cubicles where you could have an intimate moment.
Unlike many people here I still seem to have a good time in AC. But you say the name "Nifty's" and yeah, I remember how truly great it used to be.
FuriousGeorge
08-26-23, 19:56
Lollipop is definitely the top 'anything goes bar' with Q bar a close second. Some dude in Q bar paid some amount for the 20 ish girls in the bar to keep their tops off while he was there. I was about to pay a few to put them back on. I've done plenty of fingering at Lollipop and bare boob touching often encouraged. Saw a fella nonchalantly getting a BJ at the rail by a girl on stage. Security saw and pointed and laughed. I know it's not like the old days (so I hear) but still a good time.
King Squared
08-31-23, 05:34
I plan to stay in Angeles city around 2 month.
Is there any hotel you can recommend, cheap and affordable one.
I heard some hotels offer discounted rate for long term stay.What is your budget? I hear good things about Victoria Apartelle. I think the monthly rate is 18 k + electricity.
GodSpeed72
08-31-23, 08:23
Hello fellow mongers. I've been planning this 1st time Angeles monger trip for 6 months, and now I'm here. Flew in from Dallas via San Fran. Last time I was here was the early 90's when my US Navy ship pulled into Manila Bay. We headed straight to Angeles back then! LOL.
I would love a speed round of Tips, Tricks and Advice to make the most of my time here. I'm staying at ABC. Yeah, I've read the good and not so good about ABC, but I kinda like it. The room is insane. Anyway.
What I want to do is go to an anything goes bar, and I saw the post about Lollipop and QBar. Done. Those are on my list. Any others? Where else should I go? A lively Club, like a dance club where the girls are DTF (kidding) would be cool. I guess those would mostly be freelancers. I'm not looking to spend a stupid amount on girl drinks. That would be a bummer.
How I'd like to end most nights is with a fine piece or TWO spending the night with me in this goofy ass, but kinda cool room. That's one of the things I regret when I was here in '94. I never took the opportunity to disappoint two girls in bed. I was a naive young buck back then.
Any advice would be so appreciated. Hell, if anyone else is here in Angeles and wouldn't mind a tag-a-long from me, drop a message to my inbox.
Member #4794
08-31-23, 23:39
How I'd like to end most nights is with a fine piece or TWO spending the night with me in this goofy ass, but kinda cool room. That's one of the things I regret when I was here in '94. I never took the opportunity to disappoint two girls in bed. I was a naive young buck back then.
Why stop at 2, find the most outgoing girl you can find and ask to meet her friends at the bar and to point them out if you like what you see depending on how many "friends" she has you could be in for a long night. When it comes down to girls like this AT the bar set the ground rules quick check list.
Group blow job = check.
Group fuck (all) = check.
Group facial = check.
No cellphones while in the room = check.
They all cheer you on while fucking the other girls = check.
Normally what I do is get all 3-5 girls to bunch up near my cock and then have them all take turns with the blowjob sometimes with whip cream but they MUST look very intrigued at what the other girls are doing I make that very clear. Then line them up on the bed on all 4's for an introduction to the penis and rapid fire down the line. After that I flip them over and start the buffet again like flipped over turtles next each girl lines up for cow girl but the other girls cheer you on as they wreck your pelvis and try to rip off your penis it ALOT more fun than it sounds LOL! And right before you blow gather the group and blow your load on the whole squad, rinse and repeat all night. Its a fun time when you get there right group of girls together. The larger suites are best for this.
I usually pick up some liquor at S&R for the occasion helps them to loosen up some whip cream is also fun. Not something I do every trip but hay if you haven't done this yet you owe it to yourself at least once. I usually load up on the Cialis to get my moneys worth doing this kind of thing without "help" is just not as fun imo.
How I'd like to end most nights is with a fine piece or TWO spending the night with me in this goofy ass, but kinda cool room. Most babes are there for $$ and nothing else. I met one who was a butch lesbian and had a GF at one of those bars. Almost all the women are not lesbians / tomboys and most doubles who go with you will go for the double pay day, not for the sex. They will also be shy in front of each other.
Your best bet might be to establish a link with a mamasan or a bouncer, get one and get her to choose the other. I knew a guy who had a local bisexual local GF and she would pick the 2nd gir. I have done lots of 3 somes. Most were a waste of time for the reasons hinted at above.
I have also had 3 somes with street walkers in Fields. That was totally for the double payday from their POV and, outside the education, was a waste of time.
Dallas is a long way for a fortnight. I fear you will have to splash the cash to get even a sniff of what you want.
Wild bars are just for the $$ I'd say leave strong drink to one side and try to find one who will get you another.
Although online could help, given you are there, I would do some serious walking and maybe play the innocent with bouncers. Say you are just out of jail / a lousy marriage, you need a 3 some and ask for pointers.
Why stop at 2.Damn that's a good one, MM. I hope you are able to video it. Not that I want to see it but what a great memory for you.
WestCoast1
09-03-23, 10:20
Tis a bit slow on the board lately. A pic to spice it up. More thought bubbles.
Old And Ugly
09-03-23, 11:05
Swimsuit competition, afterparty photos.
Sailor Jack
09-03-23, 17:34
Sailor Jack has a weather report from the edge of the storm;.
The WolfPack Bars are setting barfines 09/04/2023 as follows;.
3000 p.
3500 p.
5000 p.
The different levels are based on the bar's perceived quality of the girls. This was explained to Sailor Jack but SJ refuses to repeat the illogic of the response that SJ got. (Lollipop has had a graduated barfine scale every day for over a year).
The different levels of girls will be denoted with wrist bands.
There are 6(?) WolfPack bars; Shooterz, Lucifer, Lollipop, QBar, Avalon, Monsoon.
WolfPack; it is Sailor Jack's understandng that the 6(?) WolfPack bars have common ownership. There is a WolfPack card sold for 500 p annual membership that gives the holder a 10% discount on drinks (not girl drinks). This is a good deal for any self-respecting problem drinker.
Note that these are non-chain-smoker bars. Sailor Jack has no idea what the barfines are in the chain-smoker bars as SJ has never paid a barfine in a chain-smoker bar. Yes, yes, half of Sailor Jack's regular crew is from chain-smoker bars, where they believe that after 500 years of history the chain-smokers have stopped Filipinas from fucking certain strangers for pesos (yes, Montana, that is humor).
Why did this barfine change happen?
Sailor Jack's wild ass guess is a peculiar bit of Filipino illogic; tourist traffic here in the rainy season is way down (such a pussyful blessing for SJ!) so they plan to raise rates to make up the difference. Do not try to figure that out, it is illogical.
There is the point to be made in offering a variety of price points on the 'menu. ' But Sailor Jack think that this too, fails a test of common sense, because;.
1) Paying more for a barfine does NOT mean you will have better sex (well documented on this thread ad nauseum).
2) Paying a higher barfine does not even mean you will be getting a better-looking girl (also well documented, although the peso-stupid line up to overpay over and over).
3) This plan is simply too complicated to work. You are dealing with morons here.
Sailor Jack thinks that this plan will not last very long. But WTF? There is some seriously stupid shit here, so who the fuck knows?
And another thing. This whole barfine discussion annoys the crap out of Sailor Jack. Do not ***** about the weather. Get offshore, get your sails up, make your best deal, bend that Filipina over and make her squeal. And then post your pictures. Aye?
Image; ASR, skipped Sunday Mass.
Sailor Jack has a weather report from the edge of the storm;.
The WolfPack Bars are setting barfines 09/04/2023 as follows;.
3000 p.
3500 p.
5000 p.
The different levels are based on the bar's perceived quality of the girls. This was explained to Sailor Jack but SJ refuses to repeat the illogic of the response that SJ got. (Lollipop has had a graduated barfine scale every day for over a year).
The different levels of girls will be denoted with wrist bands.
There are 6(?) WolfPack bars; Shooterz, Lucifer, Lollipop, QBar, Avalon, Monsoon.
WolfPack; it is Sailor Jack's understandng that the 6(?) WolfPack bars have common ownership. There is a WolfPack card sold for 500 p annual membership that gives the holder a 10% discount on drinks (not girl drinks). This is a good deal for any self-respecting problem drinker.
Note that these are non-chain-smoker bars. Sailor Jack has no idea what the barfines are in the chain-smoker bars as SJ has never paid a barfine in a chain-smoker bar. Yes, yes, half of Sailor Jack's regular crew is from chain-smoker bars, where they believe that after 500 years of history the chain-smokers have stopped Filipinas from fucking certain strangers for pesos (yes, Montana, that is humor).
Why did this barfine change happen?
Sailor Jack's wild ass guess is a peculiar bit of Filipino illogic; tourist traffic here in the rainy season is way down (such a pussyful blessing for SJ!) so they plan to raise rates to make up the difference. Do not try to figure that out, it is illogical.
There is the point to be made in offering a variety of price points on the 'menu. ' But Sailor Jack think that this too, fails a test of common sense, because;.
1) Paying more for a barfine does NOT mean you will have better sex (well documented on this thread ad nauseum).
2) Paying a higher barfine does not even mean you will be getting a better-looking girl (also well documented, although the peso-stupid line up to overpay over and over).
3) This plan is simply too complicated to work. You are dealing with morons here.
Sailor Jack thinks that this plan will not last very long. But WTF? There is some seriously stupid shit here, so who the fuck knows?
And another thing. This whole barfine discussion annoys the crap out of Sailor Jack. Do not ***** about the weather. Get offshore, get your sails up, make your best deal, bend that Filipina over and make her squeal. And then post your pictures. Aye?
Image; ASR, skipped Sunday Mass.SJ got it right. Just confirmed with my black bikini Lollipop girl that her barfine will go from 4 k to 5 k starting tomorrow September 5th. She wasn't sure how they and who were selected for the different classifications.
WestCoast1
09-03-23, 21:41
Image; ASR, skipped Sunday Mass.Shame on her, givin' me a stiffie like that. I adjusted her sails (by 90 degrees).
The WolfPack Bars are setting barfines 09/04/2023 as follows;.
3000 p.
3500 p.
5000 p.
P.
I spoke to hookers from bars in Manila the last two nights. They wwre quoting 10,000 PHP for a barfine and ladies drinks were a punch and the groin too. Koreans and Japanese would be happy to pay those prices if it kept others out but more fool them.
Undakovabrotha
09-04-23, 07:21
P.
I spoke to hookers from bars in Manila the last two nights. They wwre quoting 10,000 PHP for a barfine and ladies drinks were a punch and the groin too. Koreans and Japanese would be happy to pay those prices if it kept others out but more fool them.Inflation after the pandemic. They are crazy to pay that much in Manila for working broads. Goto the internet dating sites, you will have better luck, much cheaper and the girls aren't used up!!
DzikaBomba
09-04-23, 07:22
P.
I spoke to hookers from bars in Manila the last two nights. They wwre quoting 10,000 PHP for a barfine and ladies drinks were a punch and the groin too. Koreans and Japanese would be happy to pay those prices if it kept others out but more fool them.I think Americans would be more happy to pay that, than koreans.
American Mongers are the ones paying 150-200 $ for ST and adding tip to that all over south American e. G. Costa Rica.
Koreans are far away from that. Stop that koreans bashing shit, especially because guys from the US are the worst overpaying monger plaque on this planet.
Everyone knows what you are doing and paying in jaco, Medellin, sosua and so on.
Member #4794
09-04-23, 07:53
2) Paying a higher barfine does not even mean you will be getting a better-looking girl (also well documented, although the peso-stupid line up to overpay over and over).
I think the "sex" part of this transaction is actually worse as the price increases? And so does their list of rules and don'ts, that list is a turn off for me personally.
As the price goes up the sex somehow looses focus. It's almost like these girls are not hungry enough and they are not looking for a tip as their pay is adequate.
SJ got it right. Just confirmed with my black bikini Lollipop girl that her barfine will go from 4 k to 5 k starting tomorrow September 5th. She wasn't sure how they and who were selected for the different classifications.NaySayers will say Angeles is doomed. I will find out what girls take will be on the 5 k.
Some say the 5 k barfine might attract more 8. 5-9's to work there. Time will tell.
Undakovabrotha
09-04-23, 08:20
I think the "sex" part of this transaction is actually worse as the price increases? And so does their list of rules and don'ts, that list is a turn off for me personally.
As the price goes up the sex somehow looses focus. It's almost like these girls are not hungry enough and they are not looking for a tip as their pay is adequate.I agree. I don't even go there with the high priced. So what you can dance better! I don't know if it's me. I find the women in Cebu look better. Can someone give me their thoughts?
American Mongers are the ones paying 150-200 $ for ST and adding tip to that all over south American e. G. Costa Rica.
Koreans are far away from that. Stop that koreans bashing shit, especially because guys from the US are the worst overpaying monger plaque on this planet..I don't bash Koreans or Japanese and you should not imply I do. I have extensive experience f both cultures and they like to do their own thing in their own way. And they like to do it in groups, drinking over priced whiskey and so on. They would happily pay such outrageous prices for a rice farmer's daughter if it fitted their party plans. In LA Cafem, the women flock to them, literally like bees to honey, as they throw money around like drunken soldiers. Not all of them but enough of them.
Americans, on the other hand, fly God knows how many hours, many of them are of humble means and I doubt the others are sufficient in numbers to fit into such a business model. But then, I am not the target audience, either for that or Seeking Arrangements. I've watched interviews with top tier hos, well spoken etc but I found them empty and not worth top tier prices. That is just me. YMMV.
I don't know what the ling term business plan for Walking St is. Probably more gambling, more high rollers, lessJ arangos. All good things.
Sailor Jack
09-05-23, 00:04
Sailor Jack has a weather report from the edge of the storm;.
The WolfPack Bars are setting barfines 09/04/2023 as follows;...
Correction; Barfines in WolfPack Bars are set by the color of the girl's wrist band;.
Black; 5000 p.
Green; 4000 p.
Yellow; 3000 p, mostly waitresses.
Image; Sexts of the day.
WestCoast1
09-05-23, 00:13
Inflation after the pandemic. They are crazy to pay that much in Manila for working broads. Goto the internet dating sites, you will have better luck, much cheaper and the girls aren't used up!!
I spoke to hookers from bars in Manila the last two nights. They wwre quoting 10,000 PHP for a barfine and ladies drinks were a punch and the groin too. Koreans and Japanese would be happy to pay those prices if it kept others out but more fool them.Which bars, Burgos? That's been standard payment for at least 8 years. Currently p3500 or 4000 is the barfine, the girl will negotiate with you in the bar her morning tip amount, 4 k-6 k is typical, and throw in buying a few drinks in the bar. You are at p9-11 k. Nothing has changed in this regard, except the barfine amount. Prior to Covid all Burgos barfines were p3900, now 3500 or 4 k (same price range). There's nothing unusual about paying $200-ish USD for Burgos gogo girls.
As UKB suggests, there are cheaper alternatives.
StudBucket
09-05-23, 01:41
NaySayers will say Angeles is doomed. I will find out what girls take will be on the 5 k.
Some say the 5 k barfine might attract more 8. 5-9's to work there. Time will tell.I was just in AC and have been going for over 12 years now. What I can say is that there is no shortage of women to be found in the bars if you are not picky. Quality has not improved nor gone down pre Covid but is not as good as it was 5-12 years ago and never will be due to social media, and guys taking the best ones and converting them to sponsored girlfriends. Certain bars such as Atlantis, Dollhouse, Dragon Bar and others have declined in quality however where they dropped off other new bars have picked up the slack and existing ones like Champagne have improved their roster. The quality of gals to be found, IMO, is never more than a 7 at best. Maybe there is an occasional 8 but this is rare. It is what it is. I prefer to do my hunting elsewhere but if all else fails, I grab one from the bar.
StudBucket
09-05-23, 01:45
I think Americans would be more happy to pay that, than koreans.
American Mongers are the ones paying 150-200 $ for ST and adding tip to that all over south American e. G. Costa Rica.
Koreans are far away from that. Stop that koreans bashing shit, especially because guys from the US are the worst overpaying monger plaque on this planet.
Everyone knows what you are doing and paying in jaco, Medellin, sosua and so on.I am American myself, and agree that the weekend warriors from the USA or passport brothers are the worst in this regard (overpaying) and ruin the markets. Thank god I know the going rates, and will not pay more even if I can afford it.
Correction; Barfines in WolfPack Bars are set by the color of the girl's wrist band;.
Black; 5000 p.
Green; 4000 p.
Yellow; 3000 p, mostly waitresses.
Image; Sexts of the day.Confirmed by my friend.
Good intel SJ. Do you know the owner? Manager? Mama?
I was just in AC and have been going for over 12 years now. What I can say is that there is no shortage of women to be found in the bars if you are not picky. Quality has not improved nor gone down pre Covid but is not as good as it was 5-12 years ago and never will be due to social media, and guys taking the best ones and converting them to sponsored girlfriends. Certain bars such as Atlantis, Dollhouse, Dragon Bar and others have declined in quality however where they dropped off other new bars have picked up the slack and existing ones like Champagne have improved their roster. The quality of gals to be found, IMO, is never more than a 7 at best. Maybe there is an occasional 8 but this is rare. It is what it is. I prefer to do my hunting elsewhere but if all else fails, I grab one from the bar.About the same for me 10-12 years. One thing is certain, quality comes and goes from each bar. One day you have a beautiful line up in one bar and the mamasan pulls her whole team out to another bar the next day. LOL. I have seen this a few times.
Personally I think the overall quality has improved over the years. Of course this is highly subjective. Used to be mostly the country bumpkins in the bars with the highly skilled sharks working. Not much in between. The bumpkins always insisted on short time.
P.
I spoke to hookers from bars in Manila the last two nights. They wwre quoting 10,000 PHP for a barfine and ladies drinks were a punch and the groin too. Koreans and Japanese would be happy to pay those prices if it kept others out but more fool them.Comparing Manila bars prices to Angeles is not a comparable market. Each are their own markets. Different markets and supply system.
Some will be happy to pay the new prices and some won't be happy to pay. I don't like the new prices but will adjust accordingly. End of the day it won't make any difference to my bank account. Just to my psyche. Sooner I get over it the better.
I don't have a response about the Koreans or Japanese as I don't know how they think.
I mainly rely on my Friends and Family program. So probably not much an effect on my pocketbook.
Locamotive
09-05-23, 18:53
Comparing Manila bars prices to Angeles is not a comparable market. Each are their own markets. Different markets and supply system.
Some will be happy to pay the new prices and some won't be happy to pay. I don't like the new prices but will adjust accordingly. End of the day it won't make any difference to my bank account. Just to my psyche. Sooner I get over it the better.
I don't have a response about the Koreans or Japanese as I don't know how they think.
I mainly rely on my Friends and Family program. So probably not much an effect on my pocketbook.Agreed. Its all in perception. I usually pay 4 k or 5 k all night and 9 times out of 10 its usually GFE. Mostly bar girls or others, it varies. These are very cute girls in their early 20's,my preference. I've paid a bit more but not 10 k yet. But even so paying 10 k would not break the bank. If I tried that here in US with prostitutes or bar girl same age and quality, hey baby give you 10 k if your friendly and pat you on your bottom when you leave my room in the morning. First of all after she stop laughing she'd say get away from me you old creepy fuck before I call the police. Psyche?. I just think about home and why I'm here, its all relative to where you are.
Agreed. Its all in perception. I usually pay 4 k or 5 k all night and 9 times out of 10 its usually GFE. Mostly bar girls or others, it varies. These are very cute girls in their early 20's,my preference. I've paid a bit more but not 10 k yet. But even so paying 10 k would not break the bank. If I tried that here in US with prostitutes or bar girl same age and quality, hey baby give you 10 k if your friendly and pat you on your bottom when you leave my room in the morning. First of all after she stop laughing she'd say get away from me you old creepy fuck before I call the police. Psyche?. I just think about home and why I'm here, its all relative to where you are.I am in the 4-5 k range. There are times higher but not the norm. The equation is simple, make $$$ and spend pesos.
There are NaySayers and NoSexers that complain but they make pesos and spend pesos. Wrong equation.
Nothing like the value for your $$$ here.
Undakovabrotha
09-06-23, 06:04
I am American myself, and agree that the weekend warriors from the USA or passport brothers are the worst in this regard (overpaying) and ruin the markets. Thank god I know the going rates, and will not pay more even if I can afford it.Just be careful in Central and South America. I stopped hanging out in those places. If you try to haggle and they accept lower than market prices chances are you will be robbed. 9 out of 10, the hotel staff are in on it and there is nothing you can do about it. I find the Philippines is one of the safest areas to monger other than you own backyard (city). Where else can you barfine a female complain to bar staff if she doesn't stay the agreed upon time and quite possibly receive a refund? I've had that experience. Cuba, Jamaica, DR, and Nicaragua have been safe and cheep bets for me!
Undakovabrotha
09-06-23, 06:07
Hey folks, anyone currently in Angeles. If why'all not tied up with a female hit me up grab front seats and watch what's out there when the rain stops.
Mr Enternational
09-06-23, 06:28
Thank god I know the going rates, and will not pay more even if I can afford it.Unfortunately, if you think you are paying a so-called going rate, then you are usually paying too much.
WestCoast1
09-06-23, 13:37
Unfortunately, if you think you are paying a so-called going rate, then you are usually paying too much.Concur. The issue is a tempest in a teacup. Even if you are paying too much, or alternately, less than expected / normal (whatever that might be), judge the success of the event in its outcome. If the price (or other factors, such as looks / attractiveness / youth) bother you, try Thailand or DR. You might end up feeling better about a different place, and further you leave the pina-puki to Mr E and myself.
Unfortunately, if you think you are paying a so-called going rate, then you are usually paying too much.The going rate for whom? The big dick in town for a three day weekend? Or the long term resident happy to help out with a last minute utility bill??
Same girl. Vastly different 'going rates'!
Enjoy. G.
Even if you are paying too much, or alternately, less than expected / normal (whatever that might be), judge the success of the event in its outcome.Totally agree. I've yet to see a positive correlation between price and performance but regardless, it's the end result that matters. I've had great sessions that required a second mortgage and others that cost little more than a Jolliebee Meal Deal. Actually the latter is the more common. 😊.
Enjoy. G.
Banana Boi
09-07-23, 05:45
Comparing Manila bars prices to Angeles is not a comparable market. Each are their own markets. Different markets and supply system.I think I'm finally going to bite the bullet and give PI a try. Are the girls in Makati really that much prettier than the ones in AC? What really is the going rate for a young top looking girl by someone who knows how to negotiate (I'm looking at you Mr E, Goferring, WC). I don't know how much a meal deal at Jollibee is!
FuriousGeorge
09-07-23, 10:47
Yes, the girls in Manila are more sophisticated than the girls in AC. Their english is better. And yes they are less likely to be working girls. But whether they are working or not, you will end up spending more money on them than if you go to AC. The hottest and most sophisticated and well spoken philippina I've ever met was from AC. But that was an exception. If I ever retire in PH it will probably be in Manila with AC weekend trips. But, there's a reason I've decided to skip Manila on my recent trips. AC is fun and there are plenty of options, for free, or if not, at a reasonable price, for their time of course.
I think I'm finally going to bite the bullet and give PI a try. Are the girls in Makati really that much prettier than the ones in AC? What really is the going rate for a young top looking girl by someone who knows how to negotiate (I'm looking at you Mr E, Goferring, WC). I don't know how much a meal deal at Jollibee is!
Correction; Barfines in WolfPack Bars are set by the color of the girl's wrist band;.
Black; 5000 p.
Green; 4000 p.
Yellow; 3000 p, mostly waitresses.
Image; Sexts of the day.It's been a few days with the new higher rates.
My girl is telling me many complaints from customers about the higher rates. Girls are even complaining as they are not getting barfines like before. Girls did not even know about the rates till a day or two before nor did they have any input in the matter.
These new rates might not last.
BTW, told to me the girls share of the 4 k BF was 1850. Now the share of 5 k BF is 2250. Kind of crazy to lower the waitress barfine from 3500 to 3000. Heard some waitresses are reluctant to go for 3 k.
I think I'm finally going to bite the bullet and give PI a try. Are the girls in Makati really that much prettier than the ones in AC? What really is the going rate for a young top looking girl by someone who knows how to negotiate (I'm looking at you Mr E, Goferring, WC). I don't know how much a meal deal at Jollibee is!Depending on the store location, a Jollibee Chicken Joy Meal can be had for less than 150 Php.
A top negotiator would get the job done for a Chicken Joy Meal.
NS here is a perfect opportunity for you to consult a PH AC newbie. Perhaps a private PM would do it.
It's been a few days with the new higher rates.
My girl is telling me many complaints from customers about the higher rates. Girls are even complaining as they are not getting barfines like before. Girls did not even know about the rates till a day or two before nor did they have any input in the matter.
These new rates might not last.
BTW, told to me the girls share of the 4 k BF was 1850. Now the share of 5 k BF is 2250. Kind of crazy to lower the waitress barfine from 3500 to 3000. Heard some waitresses are reluctant to go for 3 k.Update. The waitress share of 3000 barfine is 1300. Reported to me that many customers are trying to BF the waitresses for the lowered rate of 3000. One girl told me a customer was ready to BF her and then backed out when he heard 5 k.
WestCoast1
09-08-23, 08:04
It's been a few days with the new higher rates.
My girl is telling me many complaints from customers about the higher rates. Girls are even complaining as they are not getting barfines like before. Girls did not even know about the rates till a day or two before nor did they have any input in the matter.
These new rates might not last.
BTW, told to me the girls share of the 4 k BF was 1850. Now the share of 5 k BF is 2250. Kind of crazy to lower the waitress barfine from 3500 to 3000. Heard some waitresses are reluctant to go for 3 k.Post-covid the bars continue to make changes to the system. Pre-covid the girl's share in most bars was 50%. Since covid, bars are lowering the girl's amount towards 45%, and they will probably experiment towards 40%. The only good news for the girls is that the barfine amount is now higher. Pre-covid she was getting 50% of 2000 (p1000 to the girl) to 3000 (1500 to the girl). She is now getting p1850 or more (good for the girl, even better for the bar). As Koreans continue to increase their market share of the customers, don't be surprised if owners continue to experiment.
It's been a few days with the new higher rates.
My girl is telling me many complaints from customers about the higher rates. Girls are even complaining as they are not getting barfines like before. Girls did not even know about the rates till a day or two before nor did they have any input in the matter.
These new rates might not last.
BTW, told to me the girls share of the 4 k BF was 1850. Now the share of 5 k BF is 2250. Kind of crazy to lower the waitress barfine from 3500 to 3000. Heard some waitresses are reluctant to go for 3 k.Well I've seen some black 5 k girls who are in no way worth 5 k, they were definately not top tier talent. Maybe the 5 k price is their way of not getting barfined. I did see a girl from Shooters who I barfined for 4 k who's now working over at Lucifers now asking for 5 k. Again maybe to keep guys from taking her. Now the last argument was girls in white or red bikinis were 3500, girls in black were 4000. Now all of the dancers are wearing green arm bands so we can quit that bikini color argument.
Yes the girls are getting less barfines, its September and airfare is $1,800. Few US tourists here right now. Plenty of Koreans with their $200 flights but the Koreans are getting girls nobody has seen dancing in the bars (this from a buddy who's living in La Grande). My guess is the Korean app is now letting the girls go directly to the Koreans and skip the bars entirely.
On a side subject I bought a waitress a drink and she said she hated working in the bar. Said she's starting her own business so I asked what kind of business. She couldn't explain the business but said something like its a travel discount program and if you sign up to their program she gets $100 usd. Now I had to explain to her that if she got $100 usd then the guy running the business has to get a bigger chunk of money. Then tried to explain that as a foreigner I wouldn't be giving any large chunks of money away like that. The twist was some foreigner from the US gave her the gcash to send in the money. My bet is he just sent it back to himself. So she has the feeling the business is legit. What a strange business concept they have here in the Philippines.
There is a 'raid' on the bars about once per month. These raids are usually initiated by someone missing a protection payment.
Sailor Jack was in Insomnia Bar about 8 months ago when a raid occurred. When word hit the bar of the impending raid 18 of the 20 girls on stage disappeared in 10 seconds flat, talaga.
Long ago, Sailor Jack knew a mamasan in Cebu City who got busted for underage sex workers. She was 27 years old and she got 20 years in jail. Philippine prisons are horrible.
Do police check the customer passport during raid, I heard some customer without passport will have to go to police station.
General question regarding withdrawing money from my US debit card.
Which ATM machine do you guys use to withdraw money from your bank account.
Is there a low fee ATM machine near walking street?
BDO ATM at SM only letting me withdraw 10,000 peso with 250 fee.
And in general, what is a good way to withdraw money or transfer money to the philippines peso?
I even thought about sending money to myself through western union, but I don't know if it's a good way or not?
NapaSlapper
09-08-23, 13:29
Its funny how some of the absent want to be experts are all over this board quoting xyz as gospel.
Where did they get their information, well it seems that some beleive and repeat online as supposed truth every word from a pinay prostitute mouth.
Now anyone that's has ever visited the pi bars knows that when a pinay pros lips are moving she is 99% lying.
Whats happening to the wolfpack bars, which are 7 bars in total, well the barfines will range from 3,000 peso for the ugly old fatties right up to 6,000 peso for anything ok looking working in the wolfpack korean oriented bars, talk of the ceiling by some being 5,000 peso is wrong, hence why believing pros nonsence is never advisable.
The money split between the bar, mama and girls has also been quoted here wrong.
The split off money is as follows, mama 300 peso, the remainder to be split 50/50 between girl and bar.
Many, many western expat friends that live here have boycotted the bars with higher barfines, it was almost impossible to find a decent looking girl in the western bars before the higher prices and now with the increase it seems even less incentive to visit such.
The western bars these last couple of day have been quiet to say the least, the korean oriented bars seem about the same number of asian punters as before, especially the weekends.
Time will tell if the wolfpack bars have shot themselves in the foot or not.
NapaSlapper
09-08-23, 14:10
I think I'm finally going to bite the bullet and give PI a try. Are the girls in Makati really that much prettier than the ones in AC? What really is the going rate for a young top looking girl by someone who knows how to negotiate (I'm looking at you Mr E, Goferring, WC). I don't know how much a meal deal at Jollibee is!Girls in makati and manila in general have for the last 10 odd years been slimmer, prettier, younger and generally taller with lighter skin, but wait that all comes at a price, average plumper freelancers 3,000 pesos one pop, best looking bar girls (asian guys only) are obviously the highest price the girl can get, mostly by the time one has had a beer, bought 1 lady drink paid the bar and the girl separately think of 10,000 peso as starters.
Angeles as a westerner is just ok if one is easily pleased, can't be compared to pattaya or Bangkok in any way shape or form for the amount of available girls or their quality, remember in angeles the whole amount including the bar and girls share is paid up front at the bar opening up the possibility of poor experience and early runners as has been reported by many.
Please let us know your views if and when you do make a pi visit.
NapaSlapper
09-08-23, 14:36
I am in the 4-5 k range. There are times higher but not the norm. The equation is simple, make $$$ and spend pesos.
There are NaySayers and NoSexers that complain but they make pesos and spend pesos. Wrong equation.
Nothing like the value for your $$$ here.What is worth more 100 usd or 10,000 pesos?
Logic tells us that many many people all over the world that do not earn in usd are millionairs and billionairs in usd terms, so not sure where the logic is in your post?
NapaSlapper
09-08-23, 15:25
Well I've seen some black 5 k girls who are in no way worth 5 k, they were definately not top tier talent. Maybe the 5 k price is their way of not getting barfined. I did see a girl from Shooters who I barfined for 4 k who's now working over at Lucifers now asking for 5 k. Again maybe to keep guys from taking her. Now the last argument was girls in white or red bikinis were 3500, girls in black were 4000. Now all of the dancers are wearing green arm bands so we can quit that bikini color argument.
Yes the girls are getting less barfines, its September and airfare is $1,800. Few US tourists here right now. Plenty of Koreans with their $200 flights but the Koreans are getting girls nobody has seen dancing in the bars (this from a buddy who's living in La Grande). My guess is the Korean app is now letting the girls go directly to the Koreans and skip the bars entirely.
On a side subject I bought a waitress a drink and she said she hated working in the bar. Said she's starting her own business so I asked what kind of business. She couldn't explain the business but said something like its a travel discount program and if you sign up to their program she gets $100 usd. Now I had to explain to her that if she got $100 usd then the guy running the business has to get a bigger chunk of money. Then tried to explain that as a foreigner I wouldn't be giving any large chunks of money away like that. The twist was some foreigner from the US gave her the gcash to send in the money. My bet is he just sent it back to himself. So she has the feeling the business is legit. What a strange business concept they have here in the Philippines.Yes Koreans have a big head start with Angeles trips over the westerner because of air cost and distance.
The Koreans have many avenues indeed to meet girls, they have dedicated online member sites, they have girls delivered by van directly from the bars to the hotel by Asian middle men, many of these girls never get to dance in the bars as they are constantly booked by the van delivery service so never seen in the bar.
Lets not forget that many Koreans own Angeles companies / shops / restaurants work for overseas companies, many Koreans are young in age, easy with their money, and therefore can attract many pinays that might not work in the bar industry.
In truth, Angeles has become a Korean town plain and simple IMHO.
What is worth more 100 usd or 10,000 pesos?
Logic tells us that many many people all over the world that do not earn in usd are millionairs and billionairs in usd terms, so not sure where the logic is in your post?The cost and inconvenience of travel has to also be inputted. The earth's circumference is 24,901 miles. London to Manila is 6666 miles. So a round trip is more than half the circumference of the world. Is it worth it to fly all that just to bonk a simpleton?
Chicago is 8125 miles and SF is 6963 miles.
Update. The waitress share of 3000 barfine is 1300. Reported to me that many customers are trying to BF the waitresses for the lowered rate of 3000.IMO, that's good for the waitresses. They lament that they hardly ever get barfined. Understandable; who wants to barfine an older, overweight mom.
Which ATM machine do you guys use to withdraw money from your bank account.
Is there a low fee ATM machine near walking street?
BDO ATM at SM only letting me withdraw 10,000 peso with 250 fee.All ATMs in Angeles are the same. They all have the same low 10K limit, with the same fee.
In the old days, HSBC had a large withdrawal limit. But there's none in Angeles. There's some in Manila.
And in general, what is a good way to withdraw money or transfer money to the philippines peso?
I even thought about sending money to myself through western union, but I don't know if it's a good way or not?Best way is to probably get an ATM card that refunds the foreign ATM fee.
For Western Union, you get a good exchange rate if you transfer bank to bank. Hence you need to open up a Philippine bank account.
Girls in makati and manila in general have for the last 10 odd years been slimmer, prettier, younger and generally taller with lighter skin....Sorry to repeat past posts but look at the feed stocks. The monger areas of AC really are the last option for destitute single moms from Lyete, Samar etc whereas Makati etc attract thousands of ambitious girls looking for better jobs and schools. Hence, you can add better English, education and conversation skills to NS's list.
As always, this is a generalized comment. There are many ugly and pretty girls in both cities but Manila certainly has more girls with additional benefits. Perhaps no relevance to pump and dump guys but certainly adds value to guys who want more conversation skills than "what's your name, where you stay, where you from?
Perhaps no relevance to pump and dump guys but certainly adds value to guys who want more conversation skills than "what's your name, where you stay, where you from?For Sopranos fans, Paulie hits the mark just after this but this does catch the essence of conversation school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOcy0zYo-T0.
Yes Koreans have a big head start with Angeles trips over the westerner because of air cost and distance.
The Koreans have many avenues indeed to meet girls, they have dedicated online member sites, they have girls delivered by van directly from the bars to the hotel by Asian middle men, many of these girls never get to dance in the bars as they are constantly booked by the van delivery service so never seen in the bar.
Lets not forget that many Koreans own Angeles companies / shops / restaurants work for overseas companies, many Koreans are young in age, easy with their money, and therefore can attract many pinays that might not work in the bar industry.
In truth, Angeles has become a Korean town plain and simple IMHO.It is happening more and more in Cebu and Manila too. Quite a few are high roller gamblers and do not care about money. Twenty thousand is just one bet at the table for them. One of my girls went to the restroom when I was gambling. She said some Korean offered her 10,000 for one hour. I told her she should have taken it. She got angry at me. Oh, well. I was joking anyway. This girl I imported from the province so not a easy girl.
All the same there are guys from other countries who splurge to have a good time. But in other countries we have options to get a beautiful girl. For Koreans they are kind of restricted to monger in their own country. All they get is very high end Korean hookers or imported girls who also charge high prices.
Member #2718
09-08-23, 20:33
IMO, that's good for the waitresses. They lament that they hardly ever get barfined. Understandable; who wants to barfine an older, overweight mom.
All ATMs in Angeles are the same. They all have the same low 10K limit, with the same fee.
In the old days, HSBC had a large withdrawal limit. But there's none in Angeles. There's some in Manila.
Best way is to probably get an ATM card that refunds the foreign ATM fee.
For Western Union, you get a good exchange rate if you transfer bank to bank. Hence you need to open up a Philippine bank account.Try using World Remit as a better option. The girls simply go to any LBC, Palawan or Bank to collect their tips and you don't have to carry any excess cash. Used this with FLs and pros on several trips to Manila, Davao, and Angles over the years. No need for local Philippine bank account and no hassels with over protective Western Union. The only country you can't send money to is the US.
Member #2718
09-08-23, 20:52
Just be careful in Central and South America. I stopped hanging out in those places. If you try to haggle and they accept lower than market prices chances are you will be robbed. 9 out of 10, the hotel staff are in on it and there is nothing you can do about it. I find the Philippines is one of the safest areas to monger other than you own backyard (city). Where else can you barfine a female complain to bar staff if she doesn't stay the agreed upon time and quite possibly receive a refund? I've had that experience. Cuba, Jamaica, DR, and Nicaragua have been safe and cheep bets for me!Try Asuncion Paraguay for a relatively safe and much cheaper alternative. One hitch, the only place you will hear English is the Airport, the US embassy, and the Sheraton Hotel.
Somehow managed some of the best encounters with broken Spanish and hand and mouth gestors. Great monger hunting on FB.
I was checking on Grab to see how much it cost to go from malate to Angeles city. It looks like they don't go that far. What's the most cost effective way to get there. Do you guys just negotiate with the taxi Mafia, use the meter in the taxi or take a bus. What can I expect to pay to get there.
I was checking on Grab to see how much it cost to go from malate to Angeles city. It looks like they don't go that far. What's the most cost effective way to get there. Do you guys just negotiate with the taxi Mafia, use the meter in the taxi or take a bus. What can I expect to pay to get there.The cheapest from Manila City (note, not NAIA) is Victory Bus. It's about 200 p and they have a few pick up points around Manila, the most convenient is the main depot at Pasay or behind SM and the Dusit Hotel in Makati. You will need a connection in Angeles from Dau terminal to where ever you are staying.
The easiest is to call your AC hotel and have them organise a door to door car. Expect to pay 4 to 5000 but it's the most comfortable and least stress option.
I've caught the bus a few times, more often the opposite way from Subic to AC or AC to Makati, private cars, hotel cars and local connection from Clark airport. I've never used a taxi.
Enjoy. G.
Sailor Jack
09-09-23, 06:16
Do police check the customer passport during raid, I heard some customer without passport will have to go to police station.Sailor Jack has been present for three such 'raids' over the years, in three different bars, all years apart.
There seems to be about one such raid in a bar about every month or so. Sometimes the raid makes the newspapers, sometimes it does not.
The raids are straight shake downs of the bars / mamasans / girls. Sailor Jack has never heard of any foreigner coming to harm in any of them. Sailor Jack has never heard of a foreigner being asked to show their passport in a bar for any reason.
No one here is ever going to ask you for your passport. Do not carry your passport. Keep your passport locked in your hotel safe. Do carry a photo copy of your passport.
You do need to show a passport upon checking into a hotel or obviously for renewing your visa. And of course at the airport.
Police; such a delicate subject. The police here are not a problem unless you do something stupid. Never call the police here unless it is totally unavoidable, it which case you are already fucked. If the police arrive then the police will also have to be paid. Guess who is going to cough up those pesos? Foreigners will not be treated 'fairly' or 'justly' by the police, put that naivete out of your head. Sometimes Filipinos are afforded what are considered to be 'civil rights', but in practice a foreigner has no 'civil rights' here. Pay up at the earliest possible moment and get moving. Never agree to 'talk' to the police without your attorney present.
Image; just prior to round three.
Sailor Jack has been present for three such 'raids' over the years, in three different bars, all years apart.
There seems to be about one such raid in a bar about every month or so. Sometimes the raid makes the newspapers, sometimes it does not.
The raids are straight shake downs of the bars / mamasans / girls. Sailor Jack has never heard of any foreigner coming to harm in any of them. Sailor Jack has never heard of a foreigner being asked to show their passport in a bar for any reason.
No one here is ever going to ask you for your passport. Do not carry your passport. Keep your passport locked in your hotel safe. Do carry a photo copy of your passport.
You do need to show a passport upon checking into a hotel or obviously for renewing your visa. And of course at the airport.
Police; such a delicate subject. The police here are not a problem unless you do something stupid. Never call the police here unless it is totally unavoidable, it which case you are already fucked. If the police arrive then the police will also have to be paid. Guess who is going to cough up those pesos? Foreigners will not be treated 'fairly' or 'justly' by the police, put that naivete out of your head. Sometimes Filipinos are afforded what are considered to be 'civil rights', but in practice a foreigner has no 'civil rights' here. Pay up at the earliest possible moment and get moving. Never agree to 'talk' to the police without your attorney present.
Image; just prior to round three.SJ, she is a beauty. 8. 5 in my book. Looks like a firm body.
Great advice.
Sailor Jack
09-09-23, 06:31
General question regarding withdrawing money from my US debit card.
Which ATM machine do you guys use to withdraw money from your bank account.
Is there a low fee ATM machine near walking street?
BDO ATM at SM only letting me withdraw 10,000 peso with 250 fee.
And in general, what is a good way to withdraw money or transfer money to the philippines peso?
I even thought about sending money to myself through western union, but I don't know if it's a good way or not?Not all Philippine banks have agreements with all foreign banks. So you must figure out which Philippine banks work for you here.
Sailor Jack finds that China Bank always gives the best exchange rate available. China bank allows withdrawals of up to 20,000 p per withdrawal, depending on your home country's bank rules. China Bank has 2 ATMs at SM Mall and at least 2 ATMs on MacArthur Blvd.
There is an added 250 p fee that Sailor Jack's home country bank refunds.
Western Union sent to yourself; SJ guesses you could do that. The fees are likely higher than the ATM fees. Sailor Jack finds Western Union to be so cumbersome as to not be worth the hassle.
Avoid the ATMs at Kokomos' and near Phillies. They give the lowest exchange rates and they add even more bola2 fees.
Image; Sext of the day.
Sailor Jack
09-09-23, 07:11
I was checking on Grab to see how much it cost to go from malate to Angeles city. It looks like they don't go that far. What's the most cost effective way to get there. Do you guys just negotiate with the taxi Mafia, use the meter in the taxi or take a bus. What can I expect to pay to get there.GRAB Taxi works in 'zones' only and they generally do relatively short trips of up to maybe 10-15 km at most. GRAB Taxi is quite cheap and and GRAB Taxi is often a better and cheaper option than a trike and a helluva a lot more comfortable.
GENESIS Bus is your best, cheapest option, from Manila airport. Be advised that the bus from MNL to SM Clark only runs until about 7pm. Also, it is first come first served, so get your ass on the bus ASAP. You pay once the bus is in motion. The MNL to SM Clark bus does fill to capacity. Sailor Jack has heard of people getting shut out.
Victory Liner is a good bus option from other points in Manila.
The best taxi option from MNL to AC is through Margarita Station or Kokomos. The rate is 3500 p, period, they will not negotiate for less. Sailor Jack has the driver bring 4 cold SMBs for the 90 minute drive from MNL to AC (paid at cost plus a tip). Sailor Jack has tried to have Kokomos MNL / AC taxi bring his blowjob girl from AC to MNL to help relief stress on the trip back to AC, but they wanted 2 x 3500 p for that so SJ bit the bullet and waited the 90 minutes for his blowjob.
Sailor Jack has talked to other taxi drivers about the MNL / AC run and never got close to the 3500 p number from Kokomos. Your hotel can book the same taxi for you, but pay no more than 3500 p.
Image; J18 posting up in pool for Sailor Jack, another Sext.
WestCoast1
09-09-23, 07:42
I was checking on Grab to see how much it cost to go from malate to Angeles city. It looks like they don't go that far. What's the most cost effective way to get there. Do you guys just negotiate with the taxi Mafia, use the meter in the taxi or take a bus. What can I expect to pay to get there.If going from the airport, consider the Genesis bus. Pickup is at Terminal 3 (probably where you will land), bay 14 (out the front door, ignore the taxis, turn right and walk to the last bay, #14, the bus is parked to your left). The bus runs first to SM Clark and makes a drop. Get off there, grab a taxi to your hotel (taxi mafia, all taxis p300, about $6, just pay it). Every hour on the hour, see pics.
https://www.phbus.com/genesis-p2p-bus-service/
Alternately, consider BeeWay Travel (located on Fields Ave, near Insomnia bar). Private car, p3500 pickup at your terminal at the airport, direct to your hotel. Pay in cash at the end of the ride. I like private cars because you own the vehicle and driver for the next few hours. Don't like music? Tell him to turn it off so you can stretch out and in the back seat and sleep on the way. Want to stop along the way for some McDo or food? He will be happy to do so (do buy him some lunch, its about $3). You can make an appointment in advance thru the email or FB.
beewaytravel@gmail.com
https://www.facebook.com/beewaytravelandtours/
GENESIS Bus is your best, cheapest option, from Manila airport.
If going from the airport, consider the Genesis bus.Is Genesis NAIA to SM Clark non-stop?
If so, it might be quicker to get it from the airport vs go to Pasay / Makati and still have to get Dau to hotel upon arrival with Victory. Many stay walking distance from SM in Angeles.
Mr Enternational
09-09-23, 09:38
Is Genesis NAIA to SM Clark non-stop?
If so, it might be quicker to get it from the airport vs go to Pasay / Makati and still have to get Dau to hotel upon arrival with Victory. Many stay walking distance from SM in Angeles.Yes. I thought you knew that. I have not taken those Pasay City buses since Genesis started.
Is Genesis NAIA to SM Clark non-stop?
If so, it might be quicker to get it from the airport vs go to Pasay / Makati and still have to get Dau to hotel upon arrival with Victory. Many stay walking distance from SM in Angeles.I'll be staying near robinsons place mall in malate for a few days and check that area out. See if I like the KTV bars. Then off to Angeles city for a few days, see how I like that area, and then probably go to makati for a few days and see how that area is. Eventually I want to go to boracay beach for a few days. That will take up my first week. I have no idea where I will go the second week.
GRAB Taxi works in 'zones' only and they generally do relatively short trips of up to maybe 10-15 km at most. GRAB Taxi is quite cheap and and GRAB Taxi is often a better and cheaper option than a trike and a helluva a lot more comfortable.
GENESIS Bus is your best, cheapest option, from Manila airport. Be advised that the bus from MNL to SM Clark only runs until about 7pm. Also, it is first come first served, so get your ass on the bus ASAP. You pay once the bus is in motion. The MNL to SM Clark bus does fill to capacity. Sailor Jack has heard of people getting shut out.
Victory Liner is a good bus option from other points in Manila.
The best taxi option from MNL to AC is through Margarita Station or Kokomos. The rate is 3500 p, period, they will not negotiate for less. Sailor Jack has the driver bring 4 cold SMBs for the 90 minute drive from MNL to AC (paid at cost plus a tip). Sailor Jack has tried to have Kokomos MNL / AC taxi bring his blowjob girl from AC to MNL to help relief stress on the trip back to AC, but they wanted 2 x 3500 p for that so SJ bit the bullet and waited the 90 minutes for his blowjob.
Sailor Jack has talked to other taxi drivers about the MNL / AC run and never got close to the 3500 p number from Kokomos. Your hotel can book the same taxi for you, but pay no more than 3500 p.
Image; J18 posting up in pool for Sailor Jack, another Sext.If 3500 is the going rate, and I decide to take a taxi, wouldn't I be better off watching all the taxis go by for the biggest most comfortable one. Some of these taxis are death traps in third world countries. If I reserve a taxi or tell the hotel to Angeles to pick me up, god only knows what will show up.
WestCoast1
09-09-23, 10:26
Is Genesis NAIA to SM Clark non-stop?
If so, it might be quicker to get it from the airport vs go to Pasay / Makati and still have to get Dau to hotel upon arrival with Victory. Many stay walking distance from SM in Angeles.Yes, its non-stop from NAIA to SM Clark for drop-off, then it travels a few more minutes to Clark airport. It departs NAIA every hour from T3. Not aware of any reservations, just hop on the bus at NAIA and pay the p430 once the bus is moving. This allows to skip the Dau connection. Last time when I got off at SM Clark, I just walked to my hotel (10 minutes). It was about 2. 5 hours ride and early evening arrival, with pleasant cool temp. There were taxis waiting, quoting p300 to anywhere. They wouldn't dicker down, claiming the fare minimum was part of their 'system'. There were also no trykes at the bus drop-off at the SM (others told me that the trykes are p100).
In general, its faster to taxi from your place in Makati/Malate to Terminal 3 and catch the Genesis bus. Assume taxi is p300, Genesis is p450, and the taxi at SM Clark to your residence is p300. That's p1k total. If going directly to AC from NAIA, its p750. Cheaper than a private car.
Yes. I thought you knew that. I have not taken those Pasay City buses since Genesis started.
In general, its faster to taxi from your place in Makati/Malate to Terminal 3 and catch the Genesis bus. Assume taxi is p300, Genesis is p450, and the taxi at SM Clark to your residence is p300. That's p1k total. If going directly to AC from NAIA, its p750. Cheaper than a private car.I'll admit that for the bus I've typically been going the other way, AC to MNL. When staying at the Dusit or Greenbelt, Victory was pretty convenient. However, I'd agree that if TJB has to travel to the bus connection, then going to NAIA makes a lot more sense. Not only is it quicker overall but the Makati stop is in the heat, dust and fumes near the highway behind SM. Hardly a pleasant place to wait. As I said, I've typically been going the other direction.
I'll be staying near robinsons place mall in malate for a few days and check that area out. See if I like the KTV bars. Then off to Angeles city for a few days, see how I like that area, and then probably go to makati for a few days and see how that area is. Eventually I want to go to boracay beach for a few days. That will take up my first week. I have no idea where I will go the second week.If you are going to numerous destinations, consider skipping the bus altogether and include Clark in your flight routings. PI doesn't have very good direct flights between regional towns but operates on a hub and spoke model with three main hubs: NAIA, Cebu and Clark. With a bit of planning, you can fly to your destinations and have fun at the various hubs without having to bus for hours all over the place.
We've all used the busses but I'd certainly rather arrive into Clark by plane, have a few days fun, then fly out to my next destination. Avoid leaving Manila by bus on a Friday afternoon at all costs.
Enjoy. G.
Yes, its non-stop from NAIA to SM Clark for drop-off, then it travels a few more minutes to Clark airport. It departs NAIA every hour from T3. Not aware of any reservations, just hop on the bus at NAIA and pay the p430 once the bus is moving. This allows to skip the Dau connection. Last time when I got off at SM Clark, I just walked to my hotel (10 minutes). It was about 2. 5 hours ride and early evening arrival, with pleasant cool temp. There were taxis waiting, quoting p300 to anywhere. They wouldn't dicker down, claiming the fare minimum was part of their 'system'. There were also no trykes at the bus drop-off at the SM (others told me that the trykes are p100).
In general, its faster to taxi from your place in Makati/Malate to Terminal 3 and catch the Genesis bus. Assume taxi is p300, Genesis is p450, and the taxi at SM Clark to your residence is p300. That's p1k total. If going directly to AC from NAIA, its p750. Cheaper than a private car.Hi Westie does Genesis go to Subic from SM Clark? What about direct from NAIA T3 to Subic? Thanks.
FuriousGeorge
09-10-23, 00:31
Hear me out. From what I can tell there are at least 2 gay bars in AC. Why anyone would travel to AC to get gay activity is beyond me. I'm pretty sure it's free in your home town. I can only assume these are money laundering fronts. But, there has to be a market for the ladyboy scene, otherwise there wouldn't be so goddam many. Grabbing us, following us, constant propsitions that can be uncomfortable and annoying. Why doesn't some enterpriser open up a ladyboy bar and get them licensed and tested and off the streets? Free idea. Make some money.
Member #4794
09-10-23, 01:07
Hear me out. From what I can tell there are at least 2 gay bars in AC. Why anyone would travel to AC to get gay activity is beyond me. I'm pretty sure it's free in your home town. I can only assume these are money laundering fronts. But, there has to be a market for the ladyboy scene, otherwise there wouldn't be so goddam many. Grabbing us, following us, constant propsitions that can be uncomfortable and annoying. Why doesn't some enterpriser open up a ladyboy bar and get them licensed and tested and off the streets? Free idea. Make some money.Boo.
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FuriousGeorge
09-10-23, 01:27
I considered that, and the point of my post was to make AC more heterosexual friendly in general. That scene can be a huge bummer to visitors and I was proposing a way to fix it.
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Sailor Jack
09-10-23, 02:54
If 3500 is the going rate, and I decide to take a taxi, wouldn't I be better off watching all the taxis go by for the biggest most comfortable one. Some of these taxis are death traps in third world countries. If I reserve a taxi or tell the hotel to Angeles to pick me up, god only knows what will show up.Sailor Jack has used private taxi's from Kokomo's, Margarita Station, Beeway Travel, and the same set up by the hotel that SJ booked. Every vehicle has been clean, roomy, and comfortable. You will be the lone passenger. Ask for some cold SMB for your trip, for a low extra charge.
Most of the time they send a small van. Last time it was a Toyota Innova. Clean, roomy, good AirCon. I guess you could also ask what vehicle they will send, and maybe specify the vehicle.
Flying into Clark is definitely a better option than flying into MNL. Sailor Jack always tries to book a Clark arrival flight hoping to avoid MNL altogether. However, from Sailor Jack's part of PussyHell the connections are always really bad. Definitely try to book a Clark arrival instead of an MNL arrival if you can.
Images; NC, recently jettisoned from SJ crew for a no show.
Sailor Jack always tries to book a Clark arrival flight hoping to avoid MNL altogether. However, from Sailor Jack's part of PussyHell the connections are always really bad. Definitely try to book a Clark arrival instead of an MNL arrival if you can.I was about to reply that there are only a few CRK international arrivals from SIN and HKG and that TJB would be better off trying to transit thru, rather than arrive in, CRK. However, a quick Google identifies many more CRK international arrivals that I was aware of and that flights from my own Pussy Hell are both $'00's cheaper and many hours shorter than MNL.
Fuck MNL, I say!!
Sailor Jack, you sir are a legend!!
Enjoy. G.
However, a quick Google identifies many more CRK international arrivals that I was aware of and that flights from my own Pussy Hell are both $'00's cheaper and many hours shorter than MNL.
.https://clarkinternationalairport.com/destinations/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations.
Here are two destinations links that differ in one important aspect. Etihad no longer seem to fly there.
Hear me out. From what I can tell there are at least 2 gay bars in AC. Why anyone would travel to AC to get gay activity is beyond me. I'm pretty sure it's free in your home town. I can only assume these are money laundering fronts. But, there has to be a market for the ladyboy scene, otherwise there wouldn't be so goddam many. Grabbing us, following us, constant propsitions that can be uncomfortable and annoying. Why doesn't some enterpriser open up a ladyboy bar and get them licensed and tested and off the streets? Free idea. Make some money.Pattaya has a huge "gay" area, Boyztown that makes better coin than the others. The "gay" daddies are better at sending $$ too.
Angeles ladyboy bars were chased out of the bars years ago. Though they are still grudgingly allowed into some bars, very many of them have very bad reputations. There are all kinds of forces at work there from hormones and glue sniffing to God knows what.
As I reported in my first post, there is a network of young ladyboys and jail bait ladies and the potential for all kinds of scams and nasty surprises is there in neon. The bouncers at the bars say they see the victims of such scams every single night.
As regards demand, there would be plenty of that. I had female hookers tell me of their experiences with dildo packing Western women in respectable jobs. I have worked with good looking and nice Western women who would go to the Caribbean every year for swarthy fishermen to f-ck them bareback every which way for hours, if not days at a time. Parts of Africa have been notorious for that for decades. If you are a youngish woman who wants horny guys fitter than Special Forces troops to put 12 inches of piping inside you, that is the way to go.
If you are going to numerous destinations, consider skipping the bus altogether and include Clark in your flight routings. PI doesn't have very good direct flights between regional towns but operates on a hub and spoke model with three main hubs: NAIA, Cebu and Clark. With a bit of planning, you can fly to your destinations and have fun at the various hubs without having to bus for hours all over the place.
We've all used the busses but I'd certainly rather arrive into Clark by plane, have a few days fun, then fly out to my next destination. Avoid leaving Manila by bus on a Friday afternoon at all costs.
Enjoy. G.It's going to be Saturday morning before 12 pm.
Sailor Jack
09-10-23, 11:01
For your consideration. Here is the opening from the Cohen Brother's classic movie 'The Big Lebowski' ;.
"Way out west there was this fella I want to tell ya about. Goes by the name of Jeff Lebowski. At least that was the handle his loving parents gave him, but he never had much use for it himself. See, this Lebowski, he called himself "The Dude". Now, "Dude" - there's a name no man would self-apply where I come from. But then there was a lot about the Dude that didn't make a whole lot of sense. And a lot about where he lived, likewise. But then again, maybe that's why I found the place so darned interestin'. See, they call LOS Angeles the "City Of Angels"; but I didn't find it to be that, exactly. But I'll allow it as there are some nice folks there. 'Course I ain't never been to London, and I ain't never seen France. And I ain't never seen no queen in her damned undies, so the feller says. But I'll tell you what. After seeing LOS Angeles, and this here story I'm about to unfold, well, I guess I seen somethin' every bit as stupefyin' as you'd seen in any of them other places. And in English, too. So I can die with a smile on my face, without feelin' like the good Lord gypped me. Now this here story I'm about to unfold took place in the early '90's. Just about the time of our conflict with Sad'm and the I-raqis. I only mention it because sometimes there's a man. I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? Sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about the Dude here. The Dude from LOS Angeles. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's the Dude. The Dude, from LOS Angeles. ".
As regards demand, there would be plenty of that. I had female hookers tell me of their experiences with dildo packing Western women in respectable jobs. I have worked with good looking and nice Western women who would go to the Caribbean every year for swarthy fishermen to f-ck them bareback every which way for hours, if not days at a time. Parts of Africa have been notorious for that for decades. If you are a youngish woman who wants horny guys fitter than Special Forces troops to put 12 inches of piping inside you, that is the way to go.Closer to home, Sabang went through a period of joining the well heeled backpacker circuit and many bi bargirls would tell the story of being barfined by a young handsome couple only to find boyfie locked outside upon arrival back at the room.
Bali had / has as many Bali cowboys as working girls. Japanese, Korean and even Aussie groups of girlfriends were fair game. A surprising number of the girls are actually very pretty and wouldn't struggle to find stray dicks in any of the clubs. Unfortunately, they also have a seedy undercurrent as any young Wayan lucky enough to become target for a rich sponsor's attention will soon find himself muscled out and replaced by the tough guys in town.
Enjoy. G.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations..Wikipedia is a great resource. I tend to adlib a lot of my trips but would always check the airports' Airlines and Destinations section to make a rough plan of routing options. That's how I came to make use of Clark for Domestic transits and a few days fun rather than a dedicated road trip to and from Makati.
I have no idea why I never focussed on it as a International Arrivals option. I always assumed that it only had a few inconvenient flights so I never investigated further.
Cheers. G.
Pattaya has a huge "gay" area, Boyztown that makes better coin than the others. The "gay" daddies are better at sending $$ too.
Angeles ladyboy bars were chased out of the bars years ago. Though they are still grudgingly allowed into some bars, very many of them have very bad reputations. There are all kinds of forces at work there from hormones and glue sniffing to God knows what.
As I reported in my first post, there is a network of young ladyboys and jail bait ladies and the potential for all kinds of scams and nasty surprises is there in neon. The bouncers at the bars say they see the victims of such scams every single night.
As regards demand, there would be plenty of that. I had female hookers tell me of their experiences with dildo packing Western women in respectable jobs. I have worked with good looking and nice Western women who would go to the Caribbean every year for swarthy fishermen to f-ck them bareback every which way for hours, if not days at a time. Parts of Africa have been notorious for that for decades. If you are a youngish woman who wants horny guys fitter than Special Forces troops to put 12 inches of piping inside you, that is the way to go.What scams should I be aware of in neon nights.
Old And Ugly
09-10-23, 21:04
Some flights to CRK are seasonal, this is why you see them on some websites, and don't see them on others. It depends on how often they update the info.
Old And Ugly
09-10-23, 21:08
Anybody can recommend a good dentist, that operates by western standards?
I only need cleaning.
WestCoast1
09-11-23, 02:34
a good dentist, that operates by western standards? What does that mean, western standards?
I only need cleaning.You can get that at most any open dentist's office, without appointment. They typically use a water-pik type high pressure spray to clean teeth here.
WestCoast1
09-11-23, 02:56
What scams should I be aware of in neon nights.Neon nights is in Makati city, not AC. Its a Burgos disco, with gogo girls and spotlight dance groups, upstairs. There are 1-2-3 bouncers just inside the front door at the base of the stairway. They mag-wand everyone before allowing you to go up. I am not aware of any LB, scams, or such in NN. If anyone has any actual experience with such in NN, please post here.
Tijuana: This is the Angeles thread, not the Makati thread. If you are asking questions about every possible thing that might go wrong, I am guessing Phils is not the right place for you. Take a chill pill and send your questions to the original poster in PM when you can.
Neon nights is in Makati city, not AC. Its a Burgos disco, with gogo girls and spotlight dance groups, upstairs. There are 1-2-3 bouncers just inside the front door at the base of the stairway. They mag-wand everyone before allowing you to go up. I am not aware of any LB, scams, or such in NN. If anyone has any actual experience with such in NN, please post here.
Tijuana: This is the Angeles thread, not the Makati thread. If you are asking questions about every possible thing that might go wrong, I am guessing Phils is not the right place for you. Take a chill pill and send your questions to the original poster in PM when you can.The poster claims there are ladyboys and underage girls in there. That's important info everyone should know. I don't want either. Who cares what thread it's in. He mentioned it in this thread. That's what this site is for.
Old And Ugly
09-11-23, 09:33
What does that mean, western standards?
You can get that at most any open dentist's office, without appointment. They typically use a water-pik type high pressure spray to clean teeth here.Thanks for the reply, by western standards, I mean that your teeth don't fall off after the cleaning. (I had some bloodwork done at quest phil next to robinsons mall, and I saw the nurse doing everything wrong from, touching doorknobs with the same gloves that she used on me, to placing the needle on the tray before sticking it into me, etc.).
I do use the water-pik myself at home, I'm looking for a dentist or dental hygienist to gentle manually remove tooth plaque if it's there, without using ultrasound or lasers.
Thanks for the reply, by western standards, I mean that your teeth don't fall off after the cleaning. (I had some bloodwork done at quest phil next to robinsons mall, and I saw the nurse doing everything wrong from, touching doorknobs with the same gloves that she used on me, to placing the needle on the tray before sticking it into me, etc.)....I can beat that. 😜.
Western Standards is not saving 15 cents by using anaesthetic that is banned in 99% of countries because it fatally thins the blood for 1 in 1000 patients. Not the PI but happened to a workmate of mine. He was patient #1001 and was dead six months later. Red blood cells stopped working.
True story.
You do you but after that I'm not into cut price medical tourism.
Enjoy. G.
Old And Ugly
09-11-23, 11:45
I can beat that. 😜.
Western Standards is not saving 15 cents by using anaesthetic that is banned in 99% of countries because it fatally thins the blood for 1 in 1000 patients. Not the PI but happened to a workmate of mine. He was patient #1001 and was dead six months later. Red blood cells stopped working.
True story.
You do you but after that I'm not into cut price medical tourism.
Enjoy. G.Medical tourism for me, will be if I go back to the states to have something done, but since I live here now for a while, I have to take care of some things locally, and as I said the experiences that I had so far were not very promising.
I don't want to spend 2000 $ flying to the US to have my teeth cleaned, this is why I was looking for something local, not necessarily cheap, but professional.
Anybody can recommend a good dentist, that operates by western standards?
I only need cleaning.Dentista Clinic.
2nd floor across from Johnson Fitness and Wellness store.
SM Clark Mall, Angeles City.
Shining Wit
09-11-23, 13:32
I was about to reply that there are only a few CRK international arrivals from SIN and HKG and that TJB would be better off trying to transit thru, rather than arrive in, CRK. However, a quick Google identifies many more CRK international arrivals that I was aware of and that flights from my own Pussy Hell are both $'00's cheaper and many hours shorter than MNL.
but as the low-cost Fuck MNL, I say!!.Far be it from me to cross swords with an esteemed contributor, but I do feel he paints a rosier picture than actually exists.
I don't know where Goferring or Sailor Jack travel from / to, but I feel it must be within South East Asia. I have checked Clark arrivals for 11,12 and 13 August, and the options outside that area are.
USA. EVA Air (change in Taipei) or Asiana (change in Seoul / Incheon).
Europe. Emirates (change in Dubai) or Qatar (change in Doha. This flight operates Doha-Cebu-Clark- Doha).
Australia. Possibly Scoot via Singapore but as this is the low-cost arm of Singapore AL I don't know what the connectivity is.
Anybody thinking of self-connecting onto Cebu Pacific at one of their Asian termini is a much bigger gambler than I am, and I am not talking about safety either.
Old And Ugly
09-11-23, 16:08
Dentista Clinic.
2nd floor across from Johnson Fitness and Wellness store.
SM Clark Mall, Angeles City.Thank you, I'll check it out.
Thank you, I'll check it out.You are welcome sir.
A friend just had a cleaning there. 1 k. Ask for a discount if you are missing some teeth! Joking.
Old And Ugly
09-12-23, 14:35
You are welcome sir.
A friend just had a cleaning there. 1 k. Ask for a discount if you are missing some teeth! Joking.They still all there, not picture-perfect, but still mine, and I intend to keep it that way for as long as possible.
Sailor Jack
09-13-23, 10:59
Correction; Barfines in WolfPack Bars are set by the color of the girl's wrist band;.
Black; 5000 p.
Green; 4000 p.
Yellow; 3000 p, mostly waitresses.
Image; Sexts of the day.It has been about 10 days and the wrist band barfine plan in the WolfPack bars seems to have disappeared.
Few, if any, of the girls in the WolfPack bars are wearing wrist bands.
Sailor Jack assumes it is back to what it was before. (Yawn).
Images;.
1) KDCR re-post. Sailor forgot to point out that this sext is from a cherry girl.
2) K2 susus, but the pose does not do justice to these marvelous mammaries.
3) Sugar Sisters.
It has been about 10 days and the wrist band barfine plan in the WolfPack bars seems to have disappeared.
Few, if any, of the girls in the WolfPack bars are wearing wrist bands.
Sailor Jack assumes it is back to what it was before. (Yawn).
Images;.
1) KDCR re-post. Sailor forgot to point out that this sext is from a cherry girl.
2) K2 susus, but the pose does not do justice to these marvelous mammaries.
3) Sugar Sisters.SJ, are cherry girls actual virgins or just girls that can't be bar fined. I find it hard to believe there are any 18 yo virgins in Angeles city.
Sailor Jack
09-13-23, 16:43
SJ, are cherry girls actual virgins or just girls that can't be bar fined. I find it hard to believe there are any 18 yo virgins in Angeles city.Cherry Girls.
1) In Angeles City there is a system called 'Hygiene' that checks the girls working in bars once per week and updates their license to work in the bar accordingly. It is mandatory for all girls working in bars to carry the necessary license to work in a bar legally. (A. There is a very long, very involved explanation about 'Hygiene's 'origination and the current implementation. Sailor Jack just does not have the energy right now to get into that, but it is an epic, mostly unfathomable, Phils-only cluster-fuck discussion). (B. There is also a long discussion possible here about how these rules are regularly circumvented).
2) The girls Sailor Jack has mentioned as cherry girls are Hygiene medically certified virgins. This means that the mandatory Hygiene license that they wear in the bar carries the red 'C' indicating a cherry girl a. K. a. Medically certified virgin pussy. Period. Additionally, Sailor Jack has tongue-verified three of these cherry girls. Cherry Girl Pat3 is a current Sailor Jack crew member and Pat3 will merit a dedicated post at some future point. There is simply nothing more delicious than a cherry girl pussy.
3) There are many virgin scams in Angeles Fucking City. They are laughable but you got to admire the Filipinos creativity in scamming peso-stupid foreigners, which has been a primary business here for more than 500 years. One of the best scams is regularly perpetrated on chain-smokers who want to de-flower a virgin. Oh wow! Such a STUD you are! We have just the girl for you! Hehehe! The Filipinos set up a young-ish looking fake 'virgin' girl for the chain-smoker (this is NOT done connected to any bar. It is a non-bar scam). The young-ish looking girl is just coming on or off her period and she will bleed when the chain-smoker fucks her, and all are happy. The usual take is about 250,000 p, and they collect at least twice per month on each girl. Everybody happy?
4) "I find it hard to believe there are any 18 yo virgins in Angeles city. " A perfectly reasonable point. Counter point: every year 1 million Filipinas turn 18. So there are plenty of virgins about - but you better hurry! And poor Sailor Jack has only one penis! Damn, Sailor Jack has lots of work to do!
If some one wants to really explain (A) or (B), then please do. Sailor Jack is busy working on four of a kind (4 sisters). My good friend just completed a full house (3 sister and 2 cousins). God only knows how many family trees loyal wingman BigA has completed.
NonSense, Montana, expatPat; please tell me where else in the mongering world you can find a medically certified virgin?
NonSense, Montana, expatPat; please tell me where else in the mongering world you can complete four of a kind or a full house? Oh, still waiting for your pictures.
"The mind boggles at some of the claims, it really does. " NonSense, 08-17-23 07:11 #29709.
Images; A day at the water park.
SJ, are cherry girls actual virgins or just girls that can't be bar fined. I find it hard to believe there are any 18 yo virgins in Angeles city.Many Cherry Girls can be barfined. This is often at the regular price. There will be a stipulation of no vaginal sex but depending on the girl, BJs and A+ may be offered as a replacement.
It's not unheard of for CGs to want to move onto regular sessions, having become sick and tired or endless BJs.
As Sailor Jack mentioned, lies and scams abound due to the potential money involved and the massive drop in earning power once a girl is seen to do the deed.
Cheers. G.
Many Cherry Girls can be barfined. This is often at the regular price. There will be a stipulation of no vaginal sex but depending on the girl, BJs and A+ may be offered as a replacement.
It's not unheard of for CGs to want to move onto regular sessions, having become sick and tired or endless BJs.
As Sailor Jack mentioned, lies and scams abound due to the potential money involved and the massive drop in earning power once a girl is seen to do the deed.
Cheers. G.I had barfined total 5 so called " cherry girls". Three of them admitted they are not virgins and we had sex. One of the girls had bad smell coming from her vagina when I put my finger there and tested. Last one claimed she is a real virgin and her and her family are looking for big money. She even called her mother and her mother talked to me. Mother not only wanted 50000 pesos for her virginity and needed support money every month for school till she finds a regular job. This girl was real pretty and nice curves of the whole bunch. She was real nice and apart from kissing, bar hopping and fondling her boobs nothing else happened. She stayed all night and after breakfast she left. Wanted me to barfine again to do the same things.
The ones who are not real virgins told me they are looking for some lumpsom money so they can go home and stop working in the bar. Smelly one I kicked her out.
Yes, there are scams. I do not believe bars get any money cut of virginity fee. It is a deal between girl and the patron. Buyer beware. Once drunk may not know the difference.
I had three real virgins from the provinces. I paid approximately 20000 for one not pretty. Two others I supported through school with monthly payments of approximately 10000 pesos. They were pretty and happy to be with me whenever I went.
Cherry Girls.
1) In Angeles City there is a system called 'Hygiene' that checks the girls working in bars once per week and updates their license to work in the bar accordingly. It is mandatory for all girls working in bars to carry the necessary license to work in a bar legally. (A. There is a very long, very involved explanation about 'Hygiene's 'origination and the current implementation. Sailor Jack just does not have the energy right now to get into that, but it is an epic, mostly unfathomable, Phils-only cluster-fuck discussion). (B. There is also a long discussion possible here about how these rules are regularly circumvented).
2) The girls Sailor Jack has mentioned as cherry girls are Hygiene medically certified virgins. This means that the mandatory Hygiene license that they wear in the bar carries the red 'C' indicating a cherry girl a. K. a. Medically certified virgin pussy. Period. Additionally, Sailor Jack has tongue-verified three of these cherry girls. Cherry Girl Pat3 is a current Sailor Jack crew member and Pat3 will merit a dedicated post at some future point. There is simply nothing more delicious than a cherry girl pussy.
3) There are many virgin scams in Angeles Fucking City. They are laughable but you got to admire the Filipinos creativity in scamming peso-stupid foreigners, which has been a primary business here for more than 500 years. One of the best scams is regularly perpetrated on chain-smokers who want to de-flower a virgin. Oh wow! Such a STUD you are! We have just the girl for you! Hehehe! The Filipinos set up a young-ish looking fake 'virgin' girl for the chain-smoker (this is NOT done connected to any bar. It is a non-bar scam). The young-ish looking girl is just coming on or off her period and she will bleed when the chain-smoker fucks her, and all are happy. The usual take is about 250,000 p, and they collect at least twice per month on each girl. Everybody happy?.Of these million girls, most of them, if not all have had sex in high school and aren't virgins. The more I read these boards the more I'm realizing how horny these girl are. Money or not.
I saw you tube videos of first timers landing in the Phil's and mothers were offering their daughters to them. Not underage or anything, but were just coming up to them and seeing if they want to date their daughters. This place seems nuts. Since abortion is illegal, the supply of single women must be extraordinary. Can't wait for the trip to see what is real and what is memorex.
I had barfined total 5 so called " cherry girls". Three of them admitted they are not virgins and we had sex.
Yes, there are scams. I do not believe bars get any money cut of virginity fee. It is a deal between girl and the patron. Buyer beware. Once drunk may not know the difference.
I had three real virgins from the provinces. I paid approximately 20000 for one not pretty.Its not a market I'm attracted to so I can't comment first hand but I've heard similar stories a few times esp in the days of partying with girl groups rather than the one on one short time barfines of today. Girl is labelled a Cherry but joins the group for a night out, gets drunk and ends up slamming one of the guys, revealing that she was not as advertised. Back in the bar the next day, she's still got the red dot on her name tag. Go figure.
My understanding is that the bar / mama combo gets half. Cherry Girls aren't big drink and barfine earners so it's hard to see bars tolerating that without a longer term payday. Again, that could have changed in today's drink only market.
20 or 50 k would see the girls dramatically underselling themselves. The last time I specifically asked a girl, it was 80 k and that was years ago. Guys who target that young untouched market can be prepared to pay crazy numbers.
I'd agree that finding that a girl is a virgin outside the regular foreigner hook up areas isn't that uncommon. Many are surprisingly pretty, educated and genuinely interesting girls. Strangely, I'd say that the odds of finding a pretty, intelligent 24 yo virgin are actually higher in Asia than RWML. Not all are $20 slutts. Just another reason to get away from the ingrained Burgos / Walking St circuit.
Enjoy. G.
Of these million girls, most of them, if not all have had sex in high school and aren't virgins. The more I read these boards the more I'm realizing how horny these girl are. Money or not.
I saw you tube videos of first timers landing in the Phil's and mothers were offering their daughters to them. Not underage or anything, but were just coming up to them and seeing if they want to date their daughters. This place seems nuts. Since abortion is illegal, the supply of single women must be extraordinary. Can't wait for the trip to see what is real and what is memorex.Best to hold off on any opinions or preconceived ideas until you are actually on ground and have your own experiences to draw from. Most things you read or watch are BS from non experienced peeps. Meaning they don't barfine, never been there. Just emptied heads talking away. Don't be one of them. Best to just report your own experiences when you have them.
Cherry girls have a market in the bars.
I know of a 21 yo cherry girl that was barfined a while back for 150 k, she got half. I believe it was a Japanese who paid it. The bar gave her 2 weeks off to recover from the pain. I met her afterwards. She was an 8. 5 in beauty. Truly inexperienced are not my cup of tea. I have to grease up to insert and they complain of pain after a few minutes.
Certainly no second round after that.
But to each their own. Like Sailor Jack says, I believe most bars will verify the cherry girl.
SJ, are cherry girls actual virgins or just girls that can't be bar fined. I find it hard to believe there are any 18 yo virgins in Angeles city.I believe SJ said most cherry girls are verified virgins in the bar. There are 18 yo virgins just as there are "virgin" newbie foreigners to AC. Just don't draw assumptions before you arrive on shore.
WestCoast1
09-14-23, 02:31
I saw you tube videos of first timers landing in the Phil's and mothers were offering their daughters to them. Not underage or anything, but were just coming up to them and seeing if they want to date their daughters. Can you send a link? Have landed at the two main international airports numerous times, have never seen anyone offering their daughters to anyone deplaning or departing the airport. However, similar things have happened. For example, upon meeting a girl for the first time (from a dating site) at, say, McDo or Jollie, its not uncommon that they will be accompanied by a tita, mother, or cousin. Said relatives have on occasion offered up the girl either in agreement for funds, or alternately told me to keep the girl "and hope you can help to her" when finished. There are said tales told here in years past.
SNIP the supply of single women must be extraordinary. Why yes. They get pregnant young and have a fair number of babies, ensuring a continual large supply of sub-25 yo girls. There's no shortage.
Can you send a link? Have landed at the two main international airports numerous times, have never seen anyone offering their daughters to anyone deplaning or departing the airport. However, similar things have happened. For example, upon meeting a girl for the first time (from a dating site) at, say, McDo or Jollie, its not uncommon that they will be accompanied by a tita, mother, or cousin. Said relatives have on occasion offered up the girl either in agreement for funds, or alternately told me to keep the girl "and hope you can help to her" when finished. There are said tales told here in years past.
Why yes. They get pregnant young and have a fair number of babies, ensuring a continual large supply of sub-25 yo girls. There's no shortage.I'd agree that friends, cousins, classmates are often fair game when meeting online etc girls. Sometimes the girls just don't like me, have a better offer or are just plain busy. I've also had it where, for whatever reason, I don't find her do-able. In either case, reinforcements are quickly called in.
Even today, families can be huge in the remote or poorer areas. Kids are seen as future income streams and a 401 k so 6, 8, 10 kid families still exist. I have no idea why but all girls seem to have 1 or 2 brothers but 6 sisters too.
I'm not sure of the breakdown of OFWs. Do more men go overseas for work than women? Lots of Pina maids, nannys etc but that's one person per job. Major construction and civil jobs can employ '000's of men at time.
Long story short: everyone laments the Korean invasion, the rise of the middle class, price rises etc but there are still literally millions of opportunities.
Cheers. G.
This place seems nuts.That sums it up nicely.
If you want a prepper on the insanity of living overseas, then google "Hardship Postings", a 3 volume set of expat anecdotes that no normal person would believe happens but are par for the course in Asia.
https://www.amazon.com/Hardship-Posting-Tales-Expat-Misadventures/dp/0957870906
Enjoy. G.
Can you send a link? Have landed at the two main international airports numerous times, have never seen anyone offering their daughters to anyone deplaning or departing the airport. However, similar things have happened. For example, upon meeting a girl for the first time (from a dating site) at, say, McDo or Jollie, its not uncommon that they will be accompanied by a tita, mother, or cousin. Said relatives have on occasion offered up the girl either in agreement for funds, or alternately told me to keep the girl "and hope you can help to her" when finished. There are said tales told here in years past.
Why yes. They get pregnant young and have a fair number of babies, ensuring a continual large supply of sub-25 yo girls. There's no shortage.I didn't mean at the airport literally. My bad. The guy was saying after arriving and checking in, he would walk around the malls or the street to eat, and older women were offering their daughters to date. Not at the airport.
Sailor Jack
09-15-23, 10:37
Margarita Station restaurant closed today. Margarita Station has been in business at the present location for 30 years this week. A Margarita Station manager told Sailor Jack that their present landlord wanted '5 times' their present rent to renew the lease.
The new Margarita Station will open in about 2 weeks at the site of the closed Phoenix Hotel near the Don Juico Avenue / Malabanas Road fork. The Phoenix Hotel will remain closed.
Image; Sexts of the day.
Margarita Station picture; note the fly in the upper right corner.
Expat American
09-15-23, 10:42
Margarita Station restaurant closed today. Margarita Station has been in business at the present location for 30 years this week. A Margarita Station manager told Sailor Jack that their present landlord wanted '5 times' their present rent to renew the lease.
The new Margarita Station will open in about 2 weeks at the site of the closed Phoenix Hotel near the Don Juico Avenue / Malabanas Road fork. The Phoenix Hotel will remain closed.
Image; Sexts of the day.
Margarita Station picture; note the fly in the upper right corner.The end of an institution. The new location is too far up the Perimeter especially now there are hardly any bars after a 100 m outside Walking Street. I don't see a lot of people making the trek there.
Old And Ugly
09-15-23, 10:43
Margarita Station restaurant closed today. Margarita Station has been in business at the present location for 30 years this week. A Margarita Station manager told Sailor Jack that their present landlord wanted '5 times' their present rent to renew the lease.
The new Margarita Station will open in about 2 weeks at the site of the closed Phoenix Hotel near the Don Juico Avenue / Malabanas Road fork. The Phoenix Hotel will remain closed.
Image; Sexts of the day.
Margarita Station picture; note the fly in the upper right corner.RIP Margarita Station, I don't think the new location will do, is too far off the beaten path.
Margarita Station restaurant closed today. Margarita Station has been in business at the present location for 30 years this week. A Margarita Station manager told Sailor Jack that their present landlord wanted '5 times' their present rent to renew the lease.That is how London's high streets work. Some guy gets a lease, makes a go of a barber shop or a kebab shop and then the landlord hammers him. The beer companies work the small way. Goodbye Mr Small Guy,. I guess another Korean joint and less jobs for unmarried mothers of 3.
Old timers may remember that in its early years it was called Margaritaville. Then the legal team of Jimmy Buffet (also RIP) moved in and forced them to change it. And we'd thought he was such a nice easy going Florida beach bum.
Sadly at this point it's no great loss. The place stank and the food was mostly crap. I remember sitting there watching the street through those chicken-wire windows many years ago thinking, yeah, this is the life. But that was a long time ago and even Angeles has moved on.
Old timers may remember that in its early years it was called Margaritaville. Then the legal team of Jimmy Buffet (also RIP) moved in and forced them to change it. And we'd thought he was such a nice easy going Florida beach bum.
Sadly at this point it's no great loss. The place stank and the food was mostly crap. I remember sitting there watching the street through those chicken-wire windows many years ago thinking, yeah, this is the life. But that was a long time ago and even Angeles has moved on.I totally agree. I used to love to go there and the food was good. Last few times it was absolutley horrible. Last breakfast I ordered orange juice with the food. The orange juice was sour so I told the waitress it was no good. Then watched her go to the exact container and pour another glass of sour orange juice. When the bill came I told them I would not pay for the sour OJ. "You need to speak to manager sir. " "Where is he?" "Not available sir. ".
Unless major improvements are made the new location will be a bust. Especially with Puzzles or whatever they call it now and Night Moves right there as they both have excellent food.
FuriousGeorge
09-16-23, 10:34
Got to agree with this too. I walked past it a thousand times and those chicken wire windows always weirded me out. I finally decided to have lunch there and the food was pretty bad. The only bonus was watching this sexy hot thin dark skinned curly haired pool shark take guys' money while I ate the mediocre food (Watch Chubs DubC on Youtube and you'll see her). I hear it's moving up west on perimeter and I think that's a good thing because I think those girl bars getting more business would be a good thing.
I totally agree. I used to love to go there and the food was good. Last few times it was absolutley horrible. Last breakfast I ordered orange juice with the food. The orange juice was sour so I told the waitress it was no good. Then watched her go to the exact container and pour another glass of sour orange juice. When the bill came I told them I would not pay for the sour OJ. "You need to speak to manager sir. " "Where is he?" "Not available sir. ".
Unless major improvements are made the new location will be a bust. Especially with Puzzles or whatever they call it now and Night Moves right there as they both have excellent food.
Well the colored wristbands are gone but now the prices for barfines is all messed up. Talk to one girl on stage it's 4000, talk to another she's 5000. They look identical. Guess it has to do with how many barfines she gets but barfines can't be the same every month, every six months. Just seems like a huge ripoff to me. Girls I did for 4000 are now 5000? And it's not like she's getting the extra 1000, she's getting a few hundred pesos more. Just a bar grab. Time to start offering 2500 short time and cut the bar out all together. They can't get their act together and fix their broken system it's time to make my own deals.
Friday night out and about at the wolfpack bars. Was really impressed with the talent. But guys were just sitting looking, they weren't buying drinks or taking the girls. I really did enjoy the DJ at Lucifer. Guy would sing to the music to give it a live music vibe.
Well the colored wristbands are gone but now the prices for barfines is all messed up. Talk to one girl on stage it's 4000, talk to another she's 5000. They look identical. Guess it has to do with how many barfines she gets but barfines can't be the same every month, every six months. Just seems like a huge ripoff to me. Girls I did for 4000 are now 5000? And it's not like she's getting the extra 1000, she's getting a few hundred pesos more. Just a bar grab. Time to start offering 2500 short time and cut the bar out all together. They can't get their act together and fix their broken system it's time to make my own deals.
Friday night out and about at the wolfpack bars. Was really impressed with the talent. But guys were just sitting looking, they weren't buying drinks or taking the girls. I really did enjoy the DJ at Lucifer. Guy would sing to the music to give it a live music vibe.According to NS you better be really careful getting girl's contact numbers or the Pinoy goons employed by the bars will beat you to an inch of your life.
In all the years I have never had a problem with the girls openly give their number or FB page on my cell phone.
But be warned by NS. BTW, have never seen a monger tossed out of a club and beaten.
Yes, the higher barfines encourages sneak out activities.
I'm shocked that member breadman did not know better than to exchange numbers with a girl in a bar while she is working, get seen by security, the owners, managers then don't be surprised if they get very upset, mostly leading to a beating, why, because you are taking bread out of their mouths during a period where most western bars are struggling to keep the electric on and the staff paid.
Best way to cut costs is to pay the barfine for the girl the 1st time, if one gets along with her then ask to swap contact details and meet het on her day off or before or after her work shift.
The girls free time is her free time to do as she pleases with, most bar owners know this and accept others are fucking their staff for free, like her pinoy husband, boyfriend, trike driver lover, what they won't stand for is punters trying to cut the bars share out during a girls working hours.Pay attention to NS. .
WestCoast1
09-17-23, 05:50
Get clean for me sweetie. Slender, long-waisted, and hair down to her. . .
Fastpiston
09-17-23, 07:48
Got to agree with this too. I walked past it a thousand times and those chicken wire windows always weirded me out. I finally decided to have lunch there and the food was pretty bad. The only bonus was watching this sexy hot thin dark skinned curly haired pool shark take guys' money while I ate the mediocre food (Watch Chubs DubC on Youtube and you'll see her). I hear it's moving up west on perimeter and I think that's a good thing because I think those girl bars getting more business would be a good thing.I could never understand why the food in AC is so awful. I found the food at Clarkton Hotel quite good, but too far up Perimeter, especially with the crazy traffic around 5-7 pm.
I could never understand why the food in AC is so awful. I found the food at Clarkton Hotel quite good, but too far up Perimeter, especially with the crazy traffic around 5-7 pm.AC is a low budget hub. People do not go there for fine dining. Any proprietor catering to that would lose big time. There may be a SLIGHT market for Hi society kim chee but forget about it. With the hookers, Jolibee is high class. And Red Bull is the wine of choice.
The only dining most here seem to be into is DATY. How many places have a real wine list? I will be touring Europe's deep south next month and I hope to have some nice whites. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in AC, dr8 ink Red Bull to wash down your balut.
MongerHunger
09-18-23, 09:04
I totally agree. I used to love to go there and the food was good. Last few times it was absolutley horrible. Last breakfast I ordered orange juice with the food. The orange juice was sour so I told the waitress it was no good. Then watched her go to the exact container and pour another glass of sour orange juice. When the bill came I told them I would not pay for the sour OJ. "You need to speak to manager sir. " "Where is he?" "Not available sir. ".
Unless major improvements are made the new location will be a bust. Especially with Puzzles or whatever they call it now and Night Moves right there as they both have excellent food.Night Moves has good breakfast. Some of the girls are pretty good at pool too. Tanduay is reasonably priced as well as other drinks.
Well the colored wristbands are gone but now the prices for barfines is all messed up. Talk to one girl on stage it's 4000, talk to another she's 5000. They look identical. Guess it has to do with how many barfines she gets but barfines can't be the same every month, every six months. Just seems like a huge ripoff to me. Girls I did for 4000 are now 5000? And it's not like she's getting the extra 1000, she's getting a few hundred pesos more. Just a bar grab. Time to start offering 2500 short time and cut the bar out all together. They can't get their act together and fix their broken system it's time to make my own deals.
Friday night out and about at the wolfpack bars. Was really impressed with the talent. But guys were just sitting looking, they weren't buying drinks or taking the girls. I really did enjoy the DJ at Lucifer. Guy would sing to the music to give it a live music vibe.My reliable source says the customers and bargirls are getting upset with the new pricing. Customers are not barfining as much and girls are upset of the lack of barfines.
The girls have been told by management that their daily salary will be decreasing by a significant amount.
Saw a FB page for Margarita Station with pictures of the new place. It looks modern and will be air conditioned. Time will tell about the food.
Engine Driver
09-19-23, 03:02
AC is a low budget hub. People do not go there for fine dining. Any proprietor catering to that would lose big time. There may be a SLIGHT market for Hi society kim chee but forget about it. With the hookers, Jolibee is high class. And Red Bull is the wine of choice.
The only dining most here seem to be into is DATY. How many places have a real wine list? I will be touring Europe's deep south next month and I hope to have some nice whites. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in AC, dr8 ink Red Bull to wash down your balut.The vast majority of mongers who visit AC are scum bags with limited financial resources. They are not going to pay $50 for an eye fillet steak and then $120 for a bottle of nice red.
The only person I know who peruses the wine list in AC is GE.
Old And Ugly
09-19-23, 05:53
Saw a FB page for Margarita Station with pictures of the new place. It looks modern and will be air conditioned. Time will tell about the food.The main attraction was watching the street just like in kokomos, in the new location there will be nothing to watch.
Dentista Clinic.
2nd floor across from Johnson Fitness and Wellness store.
SM Clark Mall, Angeles City.Located 2nd floor in the Wellness Zone.
A friend is getting a molar implant for 90 k. Half down and payments over 3 months. A crown for 20-30 k.
The main attraction was watching the street just like in kokomos, in the new location there will be nothing to watch.Possibly better food.
Everything is changing as the world turns.
Old And Ugly
09-19-23, 17:37
All the changes that we are seeing will eventually lead to the disappearance of the girlie bars, it appears that the money will pour in from other sources. The plan is set in motion already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9xTckxRS2g
All the changes that we are seeing will eventually lead to the disappearance of the girlie bars, it appears that the money will pour in from other sources. The plan is set in motion already:Margarita Stations's passing is almost as bad as the fire at Notre-Dame de Paris. On the positive side, as long as poverty is endemic in the Phils, the hookers are going nowhere.
Here is a current video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLFwPHd4yq8 and TripAdvisor's take https://www.tripadvisor.ie/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g469410-d1055758-i41872270-Margarita_Station-Angeles_City_Pampanga_Province_Central_Luzon_Region_Luz.html on this lost paradise.
There is an obvious market catering to the snooker crowd and I know guys who shot pool there regularly. However, whatever about fast Eddie, it ain't fast money. We don't go there to shoot pool with our ageing sweet hearts, who have served 20 or so years in a go go bar. We go there to shoot our load. You got to follow the money as Deep Throat said. The heart of the action has to be the heart of the action. Less pool, more pool parties.
Old And Ugly
09-19-23, 22:52
All the changes that we are seeing will eventually lead to the disappearance of the girlie bars, it appears that the money will pour in from other sources. The plan is set in motion already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9xTckxRS2gHere is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeRzM9RBvOI.
FuriousGeorge
09-20-23, 00:22
Yeah on face value that seems depressing since I happen to like it how it is now. But, BGC and surrounding areas are renovated modernized hotspots for dining and working, and yet P. Burgos is still there. This is a ways out at Clark. Who knows, maybe it revitalizes AC and brings an influx of talent. Either way this whole thing seems many years away.
All the changes that we are seeing will eventually lead to the disappearance of the girlie bars, it appears that the money will pour in from other sources. The plan is set in motion already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9xTckxRS2g
Sailor Jack
09-20-23, 03:20
Here is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeRzM9RBvOI."All the changes that we are seeing will eventually lead to the disappearance of the girlie bars, it appears that the money will pour in from other sources. The plan is set in motion already;" Old and Ugly #29879.
Note in that video you see zero actual people, zero moving vehicles, and zero construction activity. Sailor Jack has read about many such development plans over the decades. Some happen, some do not. There has been significant development in the Clark area in recent years. Regardless, the sleazy girlie bars are still here.
"Yeah on face value that seems depressing since I happen to like it how it is now. But, BGC and surrounding areas are renovated modernized hotspots for dining and working, and yet P. Burgos is still there. " Furious George #29883.
A very good point – the sleazy girlie bars still exist nearby 'upscale' areas of Manila.
"On the positive side, as long as poverty is endemic in the Phils, the hookers are going nowhere. " Jarango #29880.
You nailed it. The Filthypines will always have a place for sleazy girlie bars and for those of us who love them.
Images; recent sexts.
Old And Ugly
09-20-23, 05:24
" The Filthypines will always have a place for sleazy girlie bars and for those of us who love them. ".
I like this one: The Filthypines.
Sailor Jack
09-20-23, 06:02
The vast majority of mongers who visit AC are scum bags with limited financial resources. They are not going to pay $50 for an eye fillet steak and then $120 for a bottle of nice red. Image; Swabbies, this is Angeles Fucking City. Instead of a nice red, might Sailor Jack suggest a nice vintage 2004 brown and pink?
"All the changes that we are seeing will eventually lead to the disappearance of the girlie bars, it appears that the money will pour in from other sources. The plan is set in motion already;" Old and Ugly #29879.
Note in that video you see zero actual people, zero moving vehicles, and zero construction activity. Sailor Jack has read about many such development plans over the decades. Some happen, some do not. There has been significant development in the Clark area in recent years. Regardless, the sleazy girlie bars are still here.
"Yeah on face value that seems depressing since I happen to like it how it is now. But, BGC and surrounding areas are renovated modernized hotspots for dining and working, and yet P. Burgos is still there. " Furious George #29883.
A very good point the sleazy girlie bars still exist nearby 'upscale' areas of Manila.
"On the positive side, as long as poverty is endemic in the Phils, the hookers are going nowhere. " Jarango #29880.
You nailed it. The Filthypines will always have a place for sleazy girlie bars and for those of us who love them.
Images; recent sexts.I'd suggest that the internet, spread of the middle class and sponsorship daddies pose a much greater threat to mongers than new urban planning. There was a time when NGOs were the only threat but now it seems to be coming from all sides. Not to mention the girls' falling preference for white meat. 😜.
However, as long as the PI keeps pumping out destitute single moms, then there will always be pussy somewhere.
G.
Was drinking in there this weekend and the girl I bought drinks for wouldn't barfine with any regular guy.Perhaps your reputation precedes you. 🤣.
On a more serious note, I've learnt never to push the matter if a girl insists on no bar fine or tarping up. Why take the risk that she may have a reason / know more than we do?
Enjoy. G.
All the changes that we are seeing will eventually lead to the disappearance of the girlie bars, it appears that the money will pour in from other sources. The plan is set in motion already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9xTckxRS2gIt's the middle of bumfuck nowhere pampanga. Ain't no body with an ounce of common sense going to invest in that. Sure, Clark freeport zone gets some business due to being a freeport area, but all the talk of turning the rest of AC into some kind of tourism hub has been nothing but wishful thinking.
The one thing the place had going for it (after military money left) was that it attracted high paying tourists (and business minded people) with girlie bars and cheap pussy galore, once they started to try to clamp down on that the tourist money quickly dried up and the area has been on its knees since. Sure, the Koreans came in with a bit of cash but what true changes / improvements are we seeing in infrastructure (other than another new arcade / cafe / restaurant / refurbished bar) compared to the early 2000's-2015 ish where new hotels and condos and even SM mall were springing up left, right and center?
The bigwigs with bright ideas have been trying to reinvent AC for close to a decade now, and all they have to show for it is more dilapidated buildings and that long ass new mall / complex that still leaks through the roof whenever it rains.
Fastpiston
09-23-23, 02:07
My reliable source says the customers and bargirls are getting upset with the new pricing. Customers are not barfining as much and girls are upset of the lack of barfines.
The girls have been told by management that their daily salary will be decreasing by a significant amount.The cure for high prices is high prices!
I used to travel to Thailand a lot and things were great. Then the waves of tourists arrived saying " I pay more because it's cheaper than back home". Consequently prices went up dramatically. I had girls complain to me that they could not get barfined, but they refused to lower prices, so they got nothing. We are seeing this play out in AC. The barfines are way overpriced for the quality. The girls will complain, but they will not reduce prices. So it will end up like BKK, stupid prices for poor service. I don't visit AC because overall it's poor value while consuming awful food in a very unattractive town.
Fastpiston
09-23-23, 02:15
It's the middle of bumfuck nowhere pampanga. Ain't no body with an ounce of common sense going to invest in that. Sure, Clark freeport zone gets some business due to being a freeport area, but all the talk of turning the rest of AC into some kind of tourism hub has been nothing but wishful thinking.
The one thing the place had going for it (after military money left) was that it attracted high paying tourists (and business minded people) with girlie bars and cheap pussy galore, once they started to try to clamp down on that the tourist money quickly dried up and the area has been on its knees since. Sure, the Koreans came in with a bit of cash but what true changes / improvements are we seeing in infrastructure (other than another new arcade / cafe / restaurant / refurbished bar) compared to the early 2000's-2015 ish where new hotels and condos and even SM mall were springing up left, right and center?
The bigwigs with bright ideas have been trying to reinvent AC for close to a decade now, and all they have to show for it is more dilapidated buildings and that long ass new mall / complex that still leaks through the roof whenever it rains.Take away the girls and AC is just another very unattractive provincial town. There was hope that Clark would be Manila's airport, that's now over with the new airport at Bulacan. AC is dying with it's main revenue source drying up.
Fastpiston
09-23-23, 02:21
I'd suggest that the internet, spread of the middle class and sponsorship daddies pose a much greater threat to mongers than new urban planning. There was a time when NGOs were the only threat but now it seems to be coming from all sides. Not to mention the girls' falling preference for white meat. 😜.
However, as long as the PI keeps pumping out destitute single moms, then there will always be pussy somewhere.
G.But a lot will go online and work their webcams from home. Webcams will work more and more as Western women become ever more abnoxious.
Take away the girls and AC is just another very unattractive provincial town. There was hope that Clark would be Manila's airport, that's now over with the new airport at Bulacan. AC is dying with it's main revenue source drying up.Will Clark stay open to passenger traffic is the question on my mind. If they build a rail line from Bulacan airport to Angeles with cheaper airfare will people still fly into Clark? But I don't think the girls will go away anytime soon. The revenue isn't the airport, its the guys coming here to spend their money. The guys will just switch airports. Clark might eventually be shut to commercial traffic, I could see the military taking it over once again. Now if the rail line made stops on the way north and dropped people off near say SM Clark Mall that would really hurt the taxi mafi's income from airport traffic.
Now on a bar note I was talking with a buddy here about how tired I am of calling a girl over, buying a ladydrink only to be told 'menstration' or one of those excuses. What your getting at some of these bars is girls not going with customers (or only the ones they like) and living off the lady drinks. Hotter the girl the more money she can make. So we talked about 'asking the girl upfront if she was up to barfining before a waitress came over. Do you look bad not automatically buying a drink is the issue. So I go out drinking and meet another buddy of mine and I'm shocked he says the same thing, says he's been buying so many ladydrinks and getting shot down that its really adding up. I told him go for it, ask the girl before the waitress can bring a drink. Have to say it was an amazing sight, bar after bar he'd call a girl off stage and she'd come over and he'd say 'so you want to barfine and go have fun tonight?' and any girl that said stuff like 'I'm tired now' got sent back to the stage with him shooing away the waitress.
On a traffic jam note. They now have a guy directing traffic right near walking street. Before he arrives traffic flows nicely, the Filipinos drive their normal crazy way and it works. Then he shows up and starts trying to stop and start traffic and everything comes to a standstill. Funny thing the other day his boss must have shown up to observe and tried to take over directing traffic. And the same traffic jam happened. People coming off the side street now had stopped cars keeping them from getting out of the way and they then blocked traffic coming the other direction. Funny and sad to watch. Had they stopped directing traffic I'm sure the flow would have returned.
The cure for high prices is high prices!
AC is dying with it's main revenue source drying up.Lifting prices during lean times is pretty standard practice in most of Asia. Makes no sense but I can remember houses remaining vacant for years during the various crises rather than dropping rents to get a tenant. Though I must say that may have changed recently. Both pussy and housing prices dropped for those that remained in the market during the pandemic.
Not sure I'd agree that hookers are a majority of AC's cash and graft economy. If anything I'd say it's shrinking so both customers and suppliers are investigating options. I know guys who are bypassing AC in favour of Pattaya or remaining in country but abandoning 5 k barfines for 1 k provincial pussy.
To each their own.
Enjoy. G.
Hello guys,
It's my first time in Angeles city and my first time in Philippines, and I will not lie, it was my worst trip in asia if I compare with my previous destination.
For your context, I live in Hong Kong for 6 years now and I travel quite a lot abroad, like each 1 or 2 month, mostly Thailand and Japan. This year, I'am trying to find new places.
Last month I was in Cambodia and last week I was in Angeles city, I was in a bnb in a condo called One Euphoria, near walking street.
I did all the bars of the walking street, it was "OK" in term of ambiance but I didn't find it that nice, Angeles city itself is quite lame, there is nothing to do, it's over poluted peolpe are nice but really, you don't want to stay outside or walk in the streets.
My biggest disapointment was really about the girls, they are 95% overweight, old and ugly. I don't want to be rude but really girls eat way too much jollybee. And the small part that are not fat are already mothers, and they globally are lazy.
I am a 34 yo Caucasian and I was looking for nice girls but it was a pain to find the good ones.
I read this thread since long time in order to prepare my trip and again, I don't want to be rude, but guys, it seems that many here have low criteria for girls.
For exemple, many talked about the lollipop, I went there everyday afternoon and night, and there was absolutely nothing special, few girls for a lot of american elders.
Through all the walking street, the more beautifull girls for me was in bar nana, they say they are VIP bar with only beautifull girls, and it was true, but it comes with a price 6000 peso to 9000 peso depending of girls, and even with that price the service was not good, girls were lazy as soon a you enter the room, so I took two girls in Bar nana (6000 p), one in Baccara (5000 p) and one arabesque (4000 p)?
I also went to the Hammer to find some girls or to drink and dance with some bar girls I barfine it's a nice place.
Bar XS is nice for the shows, and I was often going to play pool in the afternoon.
Perhaps I did wrong or didn't go to the good places, but I don't think I will come back to Angeles city again, the beautifull phillipina are already in HK.
I see that people compare AC with Pattaya, and I will totally disagree, soi6 is full of nice girls starting 1 pm, there is nice food, the sea is near and globally you can walk in the street and enjoy.
Hope that my review can help people that idealize AC too much, if you go there for a first time don't expect much.
Best regards.
My biggest disapointment was really about the girls, they are 95% overweight, old and ugly. I don't want to be rude but really girls eat way too much jollybee. And the small part that are not fat are already mothers, and they globally are lazy..They don' have too much Jolybee as that is above their budget. Poverty gets them eating crap food. As regards better Pinay hookers elsewhere, that is because there is much more money elsewhere.
You mentioned American elders and, yes, some of them are very old, 80 and above in some cases.
But regard it as casinos. Angeles is spit and sawdust. Other places are las Vegas. Different gigs for different mugs.
Thanks for taking to time to post your review. I think as a monger on the younger side of life, your standards are probably a bit higher than many on this board. I mean no offense to others but some of the photos I see on here of girls are to put it lightly less than appealing. LOL. To each his merry own, I'm glad everyone has their thing.
One other thing, is that after mongering many years, I think one's taste gets more refined.
Hello guys,
It's my first time in Angeles city and my first time in Philippines, and I will not lie, it was my worst trip in asia if I compare with my previous destination.
For your context, I live in Hong Kong for 6 years now and I travel quite a lot abroad, like each 1 or 2 month, mostly Thailand and Japan. This year, I'am trying to find new places.
Last month I was in Cambodia and last week I was in Angeles city, I was in a bnb in a condo called One Euphoria, near walking street.
I did all the bars of the walking street, it was "OK" in term of ambiance but I didn't find it that nice, Angeles city itself is quite lame, there is nothing to do, it's over poluted peolpe are nice but really, you don't want to stay outside or walk in the streets.
My biggest disapointment was really about the girls, they are 95% overweight, old and ugly. I don't want to be rude but really girls eat way too much jollybee. And the small part that are not fat are already mothers, and they globally are lazy.
I am a 34 yo Caucasian and I was looking for nice girls but it was a pain to find the good ones.
I read this thread since long time in order to prepare my trip and again, I don't want to be rude, but guys, it seems that many here have low criteria for girls.
For exemple, many talked about the lollipop, I went there everyday afternoon and night, and there was absolutely nothing special, few girls for a lot of american elders.
Through all the walking street, the more beautifull girls for me was in bar nana, they say they are VIP bar with only beautifull girls, and it was true, but it comes with a price 6000 peso to 9000 peso depending of girls, and even with that price the service was not good, girls were lazy as soon a you enter the room, so I took two girls in Bar nana (6000 p), one in Baccara (5000 p) and one arabesque (4000 p)?
I also went to the Hammer to find some girls or to drink and dance with some bar girls I barfine it's a nice place.
Bar XS is nice for the shows, and I was often going to play pool in the afternoon.
Perhaps I did wrong or didn't go to the good places, but I don't think I will come back to Angeles city again, the beautifull phillipina are already in HK.
I see that people compare AC with Pattaya, and I will totally disagree, soi6 is full of nice girls starting 1 pm, there is nice food, the sea is near and globally you can walk in the street and enjoy.
Hope that my review can help people that idealize AC too much, if you go there for a first time don't expect much.
Best regards.
Expat American
09-24-23, 05:03
Hello guys,
It's my first time in Angeles city and my first time in Philippines, and I will not lie, it was my worst trip in asia if I compare with my previous destination.
For your context, I live in Hong Kong for 6 years now and I travel quite a lot abroad, like each 1 or 2 month, mostly Thailand and Japan. This year, I'am trying to find new places.
Last month I was in Cambodia and last week I was in Angeles city, I was in a bnb in a condo called One Euphoria, near walking street.
I did all the bars of the walking street, it was "OK" in term of ambiance but I didn't find it that nice, Angeles city itself is quite lame, there is nothing to do, it's over poluted peolpe are nice but really, you don't want to stay outside or walk in the streets.
My biggest disapointment was really about the girls, they are 95% overweight, old and ugly. I don't want to be rude but really girls eat way too much jollybee. And the small part that are not fat are already mothers, and they globally are lazy.
I am a 34 yo Caucasian and I was looking for nice girls but it was a pain to find the good ones.
I read this thread since long time in order to prepare my trip and again, I don't want to be rude, but guys, it seems that many here have low criteria for girls.
For exemple, many talked about the lollipop, I went there everyday afternoon and night, and there was absolutely nothing special, few girls for a lot of american elders.
Through all the walking street, the more beautifull girls for me was in bar nana, they say they are VIP bar with only beautifull girls, and it was true, but it comes with a price 6000 peso to 9000 peso depending of girls, and even with that price the service was not good, girls were lazy as soon a you enter the room, so I took two girls in Bar nana (6000 p), one in Baccara (5000 p) and one arabesque (4000 p)?
I also went to the Hammer to find some girls or to drink and dance with some bar girls I barfine it's a nice place.
Bar XS is nice for the shows, and I was often going to play pool in the afternoon.
Perhaps I did wrong or didn't go to the good places, but I don't think I will come back to Angeles city again, the beautifull phillipina are already in HK.
I see that people compare AC with Pattaya, and I will totally disagree, soi6 is full of nice girls starting 1 pm, there is nice food, the sea is near and globally you can walk in the street and enjoy.
Hope that my review can help people that idealize AC too much, if you go there for a first time don't expect much.
Best regards.As a 34 year Caucasian living in Hong Kong you should have no need to monger. Unless you are butt ugly, fat and have no game whatsoever, you should have your pick of Civilian girls where you live. AC is what it is. Its past its hey day, its always been a shithole except for the bars, and the only attraction was BBFS with young Filipinas. You should have known that going in. Perfectly okay to say its not your preference but you don't have any excuse for expecting much different than you found.
Now on a bar note I was talking with a buddy here about how tired I am of calling a girl over, buying a ladydrink only to be told 'menstration' or one of those excuses. What your getting at some of these bars is girls not going with customers (or only the ones they like) and living off the lady drinks.I've always seen Lady Drinks and Barfines as two separate events and one doesn't influence the other. This is especially true in these days of drinks only girls.
That's why I like Burgos. It's expensive but for the price of a drink I get a hand full of snatch or a face full of tits there and then. To me that's $10 well spent. I'm not tying to curry favour for accepting a future bar fine.
Look at it from the girls side. For those who do bar fine, she doesn't want to sit with a guy slowly sipping drinks only to find out at closing time that her time would have been better spent with a guy who would have given her a bar fine plus tip three hours ago. To her, the LDs doesn't guarantee she will provide the purchaser anything in the future.
Real world example:
The hypothetical you should have paid the BF before she got up. Any car (or girl) on the lot is for sale until cash is received. Repeated test drives (or drinks) mean nothing until a downpayment is received.
A while ago I was a regular patron of a primary dancer in a Philippine club. Gorgeous girl and bat-shit crazy enough to be spectacular in bed. The only down side was that she wasnt allowed to leave the premises before midnight. One night I walked in mid way through the evening and sat down. She got up from the table of guys buying her drinks and came over to me knowing I would BF her there and then. Which I immediately did saying I would be back later to collect her. She then went back to the guys expecting everything to be ok and for the drinking and flirting to continue. As I said, she wasn't the brightest. Needless to say her suitor erupted at her: "WTF was that? I've been buying you drinks all night". Her reply was simply "You snooze, you loose!
Maybe a prick act on my part but in many ways she was right. Just as there was nothing stopping her cementing a deal, there was nothing to stop her sitting there all night only to have John decide he was going home alone.Enjoy. G.
Found a bar that is off the beaten path a bit. It is on the same street as wild aces poker room, just a few blocks further down (heading away from walking street). There is a painting on the wall of a lady and it is showing her snatch LOL. Anywy they offer in house service for 1500 pesos. Lady drinks are 200. The selection is pretty mediocre, except they had one girl who was pretty cute. Probably. Anyway I bought this old lady (she claimed she was 36) a drink and dry humped her for a while before heading out to walking street. Almost took her up on the barfine too.
Instead I ended up going to mascarade, which was a lot of fun. Unfortunately I made a bad choice with my 4500 barfine. The sex was decent enough (except she don't suck dick apparently) but then she kept whining about going bar hopping so I let her leave. I was happy enough to be rid of her no connection whatsoever except the sex was good. Spending the night with her would have been torture probably. But there were two other girls there that I really regret not taking. Note to self: do more thorough interview.
You should have known that going in. Perfectly okay to say its not your preference but you don't have any excuse for expecting much different than you found.You have less excuses for your ignorant attack on him and citing his post in full. People feel they are short changed in tourist spots all the time. Copenhagen's Little Mermaid is just that, a little mermaid. People flock to Horseguards parade in London to pet a fgking horse. People go to Angeles and find the little tubbies are not to their liking. Years ago, I hit the bars in Berlin where the women were supposed to outnumber the men by 10 to 1. That was the ratio in 1946, not when I got there.
Zboub gave a good report, one of the best in fact, which will help guys determine if Angeles is for them or not.
The meat Zboub was after is largely taken up by the Koreans or gone abroad in search of bigger bucks. I have dined with Koreans' babes and notes how well they were shod, compared to the other locals in their 200 PHP blouses. Come to think of it, I don't see so many boob jobs or duck lips. Compared to Pattaya or elsewhere, Angeles would be less commercially developed, more Butlins than Mara Logo. Also, his type of lady would probably be more into hitting the beaches and the clubs rather than hanging around, as he puts it, "American elders", who have plenty of tubbies to cater to their needs.
Treat this site more like Amazon than trustpilot. Read the 1* star reviews as they are the most informative in arriving at decisions. Form my point of view, as "an elder", Zboub's post was very useful.
Hello guys,
It's my first time in Angeles city and my first time in Philippines, and I will not lie, it was my worst trip in asia if I compare with my previous destination.
For your context, I live in Hong Kong for 6 years now and I travel quite a lot abroad, like each 1 or 2 month, mostly Thailand and Japan. This year, I'am trying to find new places.
Last month I was in Cambodia and last week I was in Angeles city, I was in a bnb in a condo called One Euphoria, near walking street.
I did all the bars of the walking street, it was "OK" in term of ambiance but I didn't find it that nice, Angeles city itself is quite lame, there is nothing to do, it's over poluted peolpe are nice but really, you don't want to stay outside or walk in the streets.
My biggest disappointment was really about the girls, they are 95% overweight, old and ugly. I don't want to be rude but really girls eat way too much jollybee. And the small part that are not fat are already mothers, and they globally are lazy.
I am a 34 yo Caucasian and I was looking for nice girls but it was a pain to find the good ones..Yes unfortunately unless you have other reasons to be in the city AC isn't the best way to spend a trip for your age. Next time I'd suggest pipelining or finding a few girls in Manila and doing some island trips with 1 or 2 of them. There's far better places in Philippines for younger guys looking for action. It's debatable whether or not AC is one of the worst places for younger guys as the better quality civvies have their guards up against foreigners and the p4 p action is hit and miss. AC is for nailing an abundance of 4's and 5's.
As a 34 year Caucasian living in Hong Kong you should have no need to monger. Unless you are butt ugly, fat and have no game whatsoever, you should have your pick of Civilian girls where you live. AC is what it is. Its past its hey day, its always been a shithole except for the bars, and the only attraction was BBFS with young Filipinas. You should have known that going in. Perfectly okay to say its not your preference but you don't have any excuse for expecting much different than you found.I don't agree with this. Even if he were a good looking guy, doing the non-monger scene is completely different and frankly exhausting. There's nothing wrong with wanting to bang some pretty hookers and keeping life simple. Hell, why wouldn't you want to do both at that age? As for the AC girls, I could understand how there would be some confusion. Half the guys here say its a great time, the other half say its on its last leg. But yea, for the city itself, if you were expecting anything other than a shithole, that's on you for not reading the forums, I don't think anyone has ever said there was anything else to do other than fuck and drink in AC.
AC is for nailing an abundance of 4's and 5's.Oh, that hurt, but its so true. I've looked back on some pictures of some AC girls from my past and man, even the ones I thought were hot at the time are painful to look at now.
AC is for some people.
AC is not for some people.
End of story.
But yea, for the city itself, if you were expecting anything other than a shithole, that's on you for not reading the forums, I don't think anyone has ever said there was anything else to do other than fuck and drink in AC.You can get quality dental care for cheap and go to the mall LOL!
FuriousGeorge
09-24-23, 20:18
I recently was looking through my pics of myself with girls at bars, mirror selfies, in the room, etc. I picked 15 pics and made a collage and blurred out our faces. All 8's+, and this was just a fraction of the pics on my phone. I was seconds from posting it and then I thought 'what's the point? I could still be recognized and so could the girls, even though it's a. 001% chance that anyone I know or any of the girls read this board. Then I thought, maybe I post it for 24 hours and delete it, but I don't think you can do that. Anyway let me assure you, there are plenty of hotties in AC, at least there were earlier this year. Come December I will fill my phone with more pics that prove my point.
I recently was looking through my pics of myself with girls at bars, mirror selfies, in the room, etc. I picked 15 pics and made a collage and blurred out our faces. All 8's+, and this was just a fraction of the pics on my phone. I was seconds from posting it and then I thought 'what's the point? I could still be recognized and so could the girls, even though it's a. 001% chance that anyone I know or any of the girls read this board. Then I thought, maybe I post it for 24 hours and delete it, but I don't think you can do that. Anyway let me assure you, there are plenty of hotties in AC, at least there were earlier this year. Come December I will fill my phone with more pics that prove my point.Why even argue the point. If these are 4-5's then let's see pictures of their "8's". Talk is cheap here.
Wicked Roger
09-24-23, 22:09
AC is for some people.
AC is not for some people.
End of story.One of the best (and shortest) comments said about AC DG.
I am in the 'AC is not for some people camp' after my visits.
Have fun everyone.
Why don't freelancers hit SM Mall and similar locations? Is there some deal that it is off limits?
In response to my question about whether there are places in Angeles where you can pick up girls and take them out to a nearby short time hotel (like the amazing Cyrcee in Phnom Penh where you just drop in, grab a drink, grab a girl and take her down the street to a short time hotel, or walking Street in Pattaya where you take a girl out of a gogo bar to the nearby and excellent Walking Street Hotel for ST), I was grateful to Sensi for suggesting taking a girl out of emotions / touch of class to the nearby perimeter hotel. That was February 2019 and I didn't get a chance to try that out before I had to leave. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to plan a trip back to Angeles until now. Does anybody know if it is still an option? If not, anything similar? Or other options in addition to that one? Also, I prefer action in the afternoon or early evening rather than later at night. But of course that's not a hard and fast rule. Thanks.
FuriousGeorge
09-24-23, 23:50
Here you go, right at the beginning of the video. Even gives you a tour. 3 hours for p388.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEaZuh4pz5w
In response to my question about whether there are places in Angeles where you can pick up girls and take them out to a nearby short time hotel (like the amazing Cyrcee in Phnom Penh where you just drop in, grab a drink, grab a girl and take her down the street to a short time hotel, or walking Street in Pattaya where you take a girl out of a gogo bar to the nearby and excellent Walking Street Hotel for ST), I was grateful to Sensi for suggesting taking a girl out of emotions / touch of class to the nearby perimeter hotel. That was February 2019 and I didn't get a chance to try that out before I had to leave. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to plan a trip back to Angeles until now. Does anybody know if it is still an option? If not, anything similar? Or other options in addition to that one? Also, I prefer action in the afternoon or early evening rather than later at night. But of course that's not a hard and fast rule. Thanks.
For my buck I like AC. Sure I will take the 6 or 7 or occasional 8 for good GFE and good times. Now I fly from Duma to MNL and take the Genesis bus to Angeles SM. I try to go at least every other month. Always stay at the Orchid Inn. It is close to the action and I love that Angel Witch is open at 6 AM for the morning wood. Hell, I have done half the staff there. And there are some slim and stacked. Last I had a slim and stacked milker who flavored my coffee, As the Filipinas say, yummy! I have found the Cup talent at Vikings, too. Cheers.
They have a couple short-time rooms right above Emotions / ToC. But the quality of the "girls" there these days leaves a lot to be desired.
I recently was looking through my pics of myself with girls at bars, mirror selfies, in the room, etc. I picked 15 pics and made a collage and blurred out our faces. All 8's+, and this was just a fraction of the pics on my phone. I was seconds from posting it and then I thought 'what's the point? I could still be recognized and so could the girls, even though it's a. 001% chance that anyone I know or any of the girls read this board. Then I thought, maybe I post it for 24 hours and delete it, but I don't think you can do that. Anyway let me assure you, there are plenty of hotties in AC, at least there were earlier this year. Come December I will fill my phone with more pics that prove my point.If you don't post the pics, who would you be proving your point to? Yourself? Aren't you already convinced?
Why don't freelancers hit SM Mall and similar locations? Is there some deal that it is off limits?Why bother when there are other obvious hooker areas?
They do go to these places but don't make it so obvious what they are.
Also I feel the place has moved away from hanging out with these freelancers and bar girls. So no need to go and meet them in a mall. You meet them online or in the street, fuck them and leave them. I've never seen the appeal of walking around the mall with a hooker.
Semi and non-pros fair enough, but they tend to blend in anyway.
FuriousGeorge
09-25-23, 09:05
True. If I meet you in AC and you're cool, I'll send you the pics. So far I've only become personal pals with one member of the board in person and I'd send him the pics and he can vouch but I'm not sure that would convince anyone. Or maybe one night I'll have a friendly buzz going and I'll do it on a whim, who knows.
If you don't post the pics, who would you be proving your point to? Yourself? Aren't you already convinced?
Always stay at the Orchid Inn.Ah, the Orchid. It's the classic AC hotel. I stayed there on countless trips in the '90's and '00's. These days I go for newer and slightly fancier places but Orchid still has the best location in town. Nice pool area too -- I still go there for breakfast sometimes. Does anyone else remember when they had their own go-go, next to the cantina just behind the pool?
Hello Guys,
Thanks for the feedback, I didn't wanted to be rude in my previous post, just wanted to try to make my "soso" experience helpfull.
The best way to find out was to try it myself, and now, I know I am quite sure that I may did things wrong, will not lie I didn't had much time either.
As a 34 year Caucasian living in Hong Kong you should have no need to monger. Unless you are butt ugly, fat and have no game whatsoever, you should have your pick of Civilian girls where you live. AC is what it is. Its past its hey day, its always been a shithole except for the bars, and the only attraction was BBFS with young Filipinas. You should have known that going in. Perfectly okay to say its not your preference but you don't have any excuse for expecting much different than you found.I have legit girls and indo / filipinas friends here in HK, I wouldn't say I am an Apolon but I am not Gollum either: the, but yeah as you said I should have done more research on the city itself.
I wasn't really complaining, it's just that bad experience should also be shared.
In BKK, in pattaya and even in phnom phen there was extra things to do, in AC it's SM mall: Unless going out to big beach quite far of AC.
You have less excuses for your ignorant attack on him and citing his post in full. People feel they are short changed in tourist spots all the time. Copenhagen's Little Mermaid is just that, a little mermaid. People flock to Horseguards parade in London to pet a fgking horse. People go to Angeles and find the little tubbies are not to their liking. Years ago, I hit the bars in Berlin where the women were supposed to outnumber the men by 10 to 1. That was the ratio in 1946, not when I got there.
Zboub gave a good report, one of the best in fact, which will help guys determine if Angeles is for them or not.
The meat Zboub was after is largely taken up by the Koreans or gone abroad in search of bigger bucks. I have dined with Koreans' babes and notes how well they were shod, compared to the other locals in their 200 PHP blouses. Come to think of it, I don't see so many boob jobs or duck lips. Compared to Pattaya or elsewhere, Angeles would be less commercially developed, more Butlins than Mara Logo. Also, his type of lady would probably be more into hitting the beaches and the clubs rather than hanging around, as he puts it, "American elders", who have plenty of tubbies to cater to their needs.
Treat this site more like Amazon than trustpilot. Read the 1* star reviews as they are the most informative in arriving at decisions. Form my point of view, as "an elder", Zboub's post was very useful.Thank you very much for your wise feedback, and sorry again, I didn't wanted to be rude to my fellow elders.
Best regards all, see you in my next destination forum.
I could never understand why the food in AC is so awful.Well a lot of it is aimed at mongers (and before them, US airmen) who don't care much. But there's plenty of good food in Angeles if you know where to go.
WestCoast1
09-25-23, 12:51
Well a lot of it is aimed at mongers (and before them, US airmen) who don't care much. But there's plenty of good food in Angeles if you know where to go.Ahem, good sir. Don't let thy self be coy, Roy. Such as?
Well it seems I put up a list here every few years but, off the top of my head: For Italian, Piccolo Padre. If that's too far, you can get a decent meal at Al Bacio or Sorriso. Royal Indian Curry House is superb. Fortune and especially Legend are great if you've got a group and like seafood. For Filipino I like Mesa in the mall. Even Gerry's there does good food if you keep it simple -- grilled marlin, stir-fried kangkong, sinigang, garlic rice etc. I like Yu-Fu-In for Japanese, especially their lunch sets. 1st. Ave Hwaro just before the ABC is excellent Korean. Can't go too far wrong at Swiss Chalet. And if you're willing to go up to the base there are some terrific places like Mequeni Live and Smoki Moto. That's where the new Filipino middle class eat, and they know their food.
That's where the new Filipino middle class eat, and they know their food.Give me a break. I'll be touring Italy shortly eating and drinking all the favourites that are on the bucket list. No pagpag or balut I am afraid. Angeles offers LBFM. No offence but you sound like those guys in Thailand who bring their Thai date to a fancy European restaurant, without realising the babes would prefer Thai street food at 1% of the cost, Not romantic, just silly. When I get back to pampanga, I'll treat myself to a balut or two. But no red Bull as it packs too strong a punch. SML lite is ok but tastes too much of chemicals.
Sailor Jack
09-25-23, 14:41
Hello guys,
It's my first time in Angeles city and my first time in Philippines...........
.....Through all the walking street, the more beautifull girls for me was in bar nana, they say they are VIP bar with only beautifull girls, and it was true, but it comes with a price 6000 peso to 9000 peso depending of girls, and even with that price the service was not good, girls were lazy as soon a you enter the room, so I took two girls in Bar nana (6000 p) You went to Barnana and you got exactly the service that you overpaid for.
Filipinos have been scamming tourists for 500 years.
Welcome to the Philippines, Ferdinand Magellan.
Why no pictures?
Images; Sexts of the day.
WestCoast1
09-25-23, 14:48
Well it seems I put up a list here every few years but, off the top of my head: For Italian, Piccolo Padre. If that's too far, you can get a decent meal at Al Bacio or Sorriso. Royal Indian Curry House is superb. Fortune and especially Legend are great if you've got a group and like seafood. For Filipino I like Mesa in the mall. Even Gerry's there does good food if you keep it simple -- grilled marlin, stir-fried kangkong, sinigang, garlic rice etc. I like Yu-Fu-In for Japanese, especially their lunch sets. 1st. Ave Hwaro just before the ABC is excellent Korean. Can't go too far wrong at Swiss Chalet. And if you're willing to go up to the base there are some terrific places like Mequeni Live and Smoki Moto. That's where the new Filipino middle class eat, and they know their food.I asked, and ye have received. TYS.
WestCoast1
09-25-23, 15:14
My biggest disapointment was really about the girls, they are 95% overweight, old and ugly. I don't want to be rude but really girls eat way too much jollybee. And the small part that are not fat are already mothers, and they globally are lazy.
I am a 34 yo Caucasian and I was looking for nice girls but it was a pain to find the good ones.
I read this thread since long time in order to prepare my trip and again, I don't want to be rude, but guys, it seems that many here have low criteria for girls.Overall good honest first report. A number of reports from the past few months have shown mixed reviews (including my own). Plenty of fuglies to be found in the bars now. You aren't being rude. Forewarned is forearmed. You want hotties? Go to Burgos or Patts. You want girls you can converse with, go to Phils. It seems to be a somewhat clear picture. The game changes.
You went to Barnana and you got exactly the service that you overpaid for. Filipinos have been scamming tourists for 500 years. Welcome to the Philippines, Ferdinand Magellan. Why no pictures?Nice rack, sir. Two good casabas deserve another. She got more boob than I have brains.
From his posted pics, SJ seems to be pulling cuties from the bars. While there are plenty of girls in the bars that turn folk off (me also), is it that fellas are running thru all the bars and not finding *any* girls attractive enough to barfine?
I been to Patts three times this year. Sure, there are better bodies there but they all want you covered hence no GFE. At least that was my experience. And most don't let you take pics whereas Filipinas love the camera.
Expat American
09-26-23, 05:11
I been to Patts three times this year. Sure, there are better bodies there but they all want you covered hence no GFE. At least that was my experience. And most don't let you take pics whereas Filipinas love the camera.I'm in Patts now. I can assure you that BBFS is on the menu. Its not the default like it is in AC but in my last 2 trips I got it 80% of the time. Sometimes by asking up front (like in Gentlemen clubs or Beach Road) and sometimes just with the flow (Bar Fines usually). Now the only plus on AC side is the English and ability to converse and flirt with the girls more so than here in Pattaya. The other thing I find here is that the tattoo thing is ridiculous. I saw this gorgeous 19 yo at a bar who had totally mutilated her body with tattoos all over. She had the face of an angel and that cute teenage body but the tattoos made her look like a washed up biker chick. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't understand it.
The other thing I find here is that the tattoo thing is ridiculous. I saw this gorgeous 19 yo at a bar who had totally mutilated her body with tattoos all over.I feel the same way about surgeries. I can tolerate a well done tit job but obvious watermelons, nose, chins etc turns me off.
Very rare to see an enhanced Pina. It's rampant in LOS.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
09-26-23, 11:07
The other thing I find here is that the tattoo thing is ridiculous. I saw this gorgeous 19 yo at a bar who had totally mutilated her body with tattoos all over. She had the face of an angel and that cute teenage body but the tattoos made her look like a washed up biker chick. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't understand it.In Patts I saw two gals on a motorcycle pull to a stop in traffic at a red light. Both were young hard-bodies, flat tummies and booby, lots of skin showing. Tats over most of their shown skin. It was an odd moment for me. First, I was surprised my first few days there by how many girls drive a motorcycle (compared to Phils, which is near zero). And the number of bikes with 2 girls on them. I was in an instant turned on by the two girl's physiques, and at the same time repulsed by the large area of skin covered by tats. I wondered if below their hair they might have scalp tats also. My mother would have told them to get to the nearest church and repent what they'd done to their skin.
In BKK I went into a coffee shop about 11 am, got my drink and sat down. A moment later a beautifully dressed tall, slender, mid-20's lady walked in. One of those dresses that ties just at the top of the breasts and around to the back, no straps over the shoulders, shoulders and arms completely uncovered. The dress goes to the ankles, but on one side is cut from the ankle to almost the hip, exposing almost the entire outside of the left leg. The hair was gussied up large on top of her head. The makeup was immaculate. Great face. The dress was a bright peach colored floral print. Every move was feminine. Possible LB came to mind (slender, broad shoulders). And almost all of her skin below the chin was completely covered (including her neck) with tats, all the way to her feet. Yeouza! While the tats were a turnoff, everything else was a turn-on. Bit like watching a train wreck: Couldn't take my eyes off of her. For the two minutes she was in the coffee shop, it was a slow-motion combination of sex, and being in a car wreck.
Thailand: Exotic as f*ck!
I'm in Patts now. I can assure you that BBFS is on the menu. Its not the default like it is in AC but in my last 2 trips I got it 80% of the time. Sometimes by asking up front (like in Gentlemen clubs or Beach Road) and sometimes just with the flow (Bar Fines usually). Now the only plus on AC side is the English and ability to converse and flirt with the girls more so than here in Pattaya. The other thing I find here is that the tattoo thing is ridiculous. I saw this gorgeous 19 yo at a bar who had totally mutilated her body with tattoos all over. She had the face of an angel and that cute teenage body but the tattoos made her look like a washed up biker chick. Maybe I'm just getting old but I don't understand it.Well fuck ME next time I go go I will ask up front for no condom. I am not a fan of all the tattoos either but it is not a deal breaker for me. Cheers.
BBFSCIP is definitely available in Pattaya. Most times you have to ask, sometimes it just happens by default. One 19 yo this summer came to my hotel room for ST. She asked if I had a condom, I said no (to see what her reaction would be). She said ok we can no condom. Gave her the pill after a glorious creampie, 1200 baht and sent her on her way.
But I can't stress this enough. If you're going to BB in Pattaya (or anywhere in Thailand), make sure you're on PrEP!
I can tolerate a well done tit job but obvious watermelons, nose, chins etc turns me off.The problem is they always go too far. Instead of just adding a bit to the bridge of their nose they get a big sharp honker with those awful pinched nostrils. And if it's boobies, they go a couple sizes larger than they should. They also tend to use cheap doctors who do crap work. God knows I love Thai women but it's a relief to get back to the Philippines where it's still mostly all natural.
I've used iHotels right next to Phillies. It's like P600 for 4 hours. I they offer shorter and longer times. The location is convenient. The rooms are small but clean.
In response to my question about whether there are places in Angeles where you can pick up girls and take them out to a nearby short time hotel (like the amazing Cyrcee in Phnom Penh where you just drop in, grab a drink, grab a girl and take her down the street to a short time hotel, or walking Street in Pattaya where you take a girl out of a gogo bar to the nearby and excellent Walking Street Hotel for ST), I was grateful to Sensi for suggesting taking a girl out of emotions / touch of class to the nearby perimeter hotel. That was February 2019 and I didn't get a chance to try that out before I had to leave. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to plan a trip back to Angeles until now. Does anybody know if it is still an option? If not, anything similar? Or other options in addition to that one? Also, I prefer action in the afternoon or early evening rather than later at night. But of course that's not a hard and fast rule. Thanks.
The end of an institution. The new location is too far up the Perimeter especially now there are hardly any bars after a 100 m outside Walking Street. I don't see a lot of people making the trek there.I would agree with that assessment if things remain as they are in that area: however, if the bar and hotel scene moves in that direction, the new MS would be perfectly situated. Another property close by that is available is the old Sunset Garden. I first came to AC over 20 years ago, and the changes that have occurred have been quite stunning.
Sailor Jack
09-29-23, 01:28
Here are two short time options;.
1) iOtel next to Phillies. This location could not be more convenient. It has an opaque sliding glass door entrance that is very covert. Rooms are small, clean, modern. Door says 4 hours 500 p.
2) Eurotel; See advertisement, starts at 350 p. Rooms are small and dated. Adequate.
3) There is at least a dozen other 'hotels' on back streets offering short time rooms. Many of them you could walk right by and not notice them. Quality varies widely. Buyer beware.
Both 1 and 2 are on trip advisor and on Google Maps.
Sailor Jack weather report; tourist traffic is way down, desperation girl texts are way up, the fishing is great right now.
Image; sext of the day.
NapaSlapper
10-01-23, 09:37
Thanks for taking to time to post your review. I think as a monger on the younger side of life, your standards are probably a bit higher than many on this board. I mean no offense to others but some of the photos I see on here of girls are to put it lightly less than appealing. LOL. To each his merry own, I'm glad everyone has their thing.
One other thing, is that after mongering many years, I think one's taste gets more refined.Everyone has a different taste and acceptable standard in women.
Going by what I witness on the streets of angeles daily I would say that most western visitors have a if it has a pulse, is cheap and is available for bareback then its a 7,8,9.
In truth most bar girls in angeles are either fat, old, very plain or sometimes all three together.
For the 5% of the top angeles bar girls that are just ok looking and fairly slim then one has the minefield of drinks only girls, asian only girls and cherry girls to tackle.
Angeles is what it is, set the bar very low and westerners can get laid, be a bit fussy then other asian destinations are far easier to get laid at cheaper or same prices.
NapaSlapper
10-01-23, 09:52
Hello guys,
It's my first time in Angeles city and my first time in Philippines, and I will not lie, it was my worst trip in asia if I compare with my previous destination.
For your context, I live in Hong Kong for 6 years now and I travel quite a lot abroad, like each 1 or 2 month, mostly Thailand and Japan. This year, I'am trying to find new places.
Last month I was in Cambodia and last week I was in Angeles city, I was in a bnb in a condo called One Euphoria, near walking street.
I did all the bars of the walking street, it was "OK" in term of ambiance but I didn't find it that nice, Angeles city itself is quite lame, there is nothing to do, it's over poluted peolpe are nice but really, you don't want to stay outside or walk in the streets.
My biggest disapointment was really about the girls, they are 95% overweight, old and ugly. I don't want to be rude but really girls eat way too much jollybee. And the small part that are not fat are already mothers, and they globally are lazy.
I am a 34 yo Caucasian and I was looking for nice girls but it was a pain to find the good ones.
I read this thread since long time in order to prepare my trip and again, I don't want to be rude, but guys, it seems that many here have low criteria for girls.
For exemple, many talked about the lollipop, I went there everyday afternoon and night, and there was absolutely nothing special, few girls for a lot of american elders.
Through all the walking street, the more beautifull girls for me was in bar nana, they say they are VIP bar with only beautifull girls, and it was true, but it comes with a price 6000 peso to 9000 peso depending of girls, and even with that price the service was not good, girls were lazy as soon a you enter the room, so I took two girls in Bar nana (6000 p), one in Baccara (5000 p) and one arabesque (4000 p)?
I also went to the Hammer to find some girls or to drink and dance with some bar girls I barfine it's a nice place.
Bar XS is nice for the shows, and I was often going to play pool in the afternoon.
Perhaps I did wrong or didn't go to the good places, but I don't think I will come back to Angeles city again, the beautifull phillipina are already in HK.
I see that people compare AC with Pattaya, and I will totally disagree, soi6 is full of nice girls starting 1 pm, there is nice food, the sea is near and globally you can walk in the street and enjoy.
Hope that my review can help people that idealize AC too much, if you go there for a first time don't expect much.
Best regards.Thanks fir your honest and balanced review of what you found on your trip, it mirrors many of the things I and many friends find in the bars of ac.
Yes indeed, very plain, oldef ladies are quoting crazy prices of 6,000+ pesos for basically a one shot encounter.
In truth most of these girls are not worth a fraction of their asking prices.
Thanks fir your honest and balanced review of what you found on your trip, it mirrors many of the things I and many friends find in the bars of ac.
Yes indeed, very plain, oldef ladies are quoting crazy prices of 6,000+ pesos for basically a one shot encounter.
In truth most of these girls are not worth a fraction of their asking prices.You need to amend your game. There are many lookers to be bedded if you engage in some social networking with "Other than Bargirls".
WestCoast1
10-02-23, 05:37
Thanks fir your honest and balanced review of what you found on your trip, it mirrors many of the things I and many friends find in the bars of ac. Yes indeed, very plain, oldef ladies are quoting crazy prices of 6,000+ pesos for basically a one shot encounter.I concur, its a good honest post from the OP. NS: Not sure where you mean you find older plain ladies in the bars. What age are you talking about, what is too old -- 25? 30? 40? Why is p6000 crazy (it might be)? In what bars (or SW) did you see p6000? If its only in one place then its probably not significant as the gent can walk next door for a cheaper barfine. I have on good authority that Body Shop is still in biz, with a single barfine price of p3000, for LT. I understand Camelot has a p4000 barfine for all girls.
To make NS' case a a bit, there really are a lot of chubs in the bars. There are also plenty to be had that look like the girl pictured (age 22 when the pic was snapped).
In truth most of these girls are not worth a fraction of their asking prices.If she is commanding p6000, then she is worth it. The market is the market. If the same lady was on the street on Burgos she might go for 1500ST or 2000 LT. Prices change with location, and they change with time and also circumstances.
You need to amend your game. There are many lookers to be bedded if you engage in some social networking with "Other than Bargirls".Yes. Weekends on the street the FL come out of the woodwork, including PYT's that aren't there other nights. SJ reports in that the SW can be had easily.
In truth most of these girls are not worth a fraction of their asking prices.
If she is commanding p6000, then she is worth it. The market is the market.
You need to amend your game. There are many lookers to be bedded if you engage in some social networking with "Other than Bargirls".Lots of guys blaming the bars or girls for the crazy prices and / or heffers believing that they are 10's but how can they be at fault if guys keep paying their prices or accepting their service levels? Someone has to be paying or the girls wouldn't be there. If guys moved on to other, more attractive options, then the ugliest would disappear or quickly accept any crumbs offered.
As much of a pointless shithole AC may be, as long as guys keep spending the $$$ the girls and bars will gladly accept it.
I'd agree that the "smart money" will look elsewhere out of town or even at other options within town.
Enjoy. G.
If she is commanding p6000...The answer to the 6000 p question is not just a yes or no. Frequency is also important. Remember that a fugglie only need to find one sucker every two months to be waaaay ahead of what she would be earning back in Lyete.
Would she be better off turning more tricks at 2000 p? Who knows. I don't think Demand Elasticity is included in Hooking 101. 😜.
Enjoy. G.
Sailor Jack
10-04-23, 04:04
TTKD will be held October 20 and 21. TTKD is "One of the biggest and grandest street parties in the Philippines held at Angeles City. " A few streets are blocked off for this street party. There is a FaceBook page that gives a few more details. Note that the map in the FaceBook profile is upside-down (South is 'up'). Entrance fee is 250 p.
Image; unrelated, amazingly tight, very loud.
Fastpiston
10-07-23, 08:03
Hello guys,
It's my first time in Angeles city and my first time in Philippines, and I will not lie, it was my worst trip in asia if I compare with my previous destination.
For your context, I live in Hong Kong for 6 years now and I travel quite a lot abroad, like each 1 or 2 month, mostly Thailand and Japan. This year, I'am trying to find new places.
Last month I was in Cambodia and last week I was in Angeles city, I was in a bnb in a condo called One Euphoria, near walking street.
I did all the bars of the walking street, it was "OK" in term of ambiance but I didn't find it that nice, Angeles city itself is quite lame, there is nothing to do, it's over poluted peolpe are nice but really, you don't want to stay outside or walk in the streets.
My biggest disapointment was really about the girls, they are 95% overweight, old and ugly. I don't want to be rude but really girls eat way too much jollybee. And the small part that are not fat are already mothers, and they globally are lazy.
I am a 34 yo Caucasian and I was looking for nice girls but it was a pain to find the good ones.
I read this thread since long time in order to prepare my trip and again, I don't want to be rude, but guys, it seems that many here have low criteria for girls.
For exemple, many talked about the lollipop, I went there everyday afternoon and night, and there was absolutely nothing special, few girls for a lot of american elders.
Through all the walking street, the more beautifull girls for me was in bar nana, they say they are VIP bar with only beautifull girls, and it was true, but it comes with a price 6000 peso to 9000 peso depending of girls, and even with that price the service was not good, girls were lazy as soon a you enter the room, so I took two girls in Bar nana (6000 p), one in Baccara (5000 p) and one arabesque (4000 p)?
I also went to the Hammer to find some girls or to drink and dance with some bar girls I barfine it's a nice place.
Bar XS is nice for the shows, and I was often going to play pool in the afternoon.
Perhaps I did wrong or didn't go to the good places, but I don't think I will come back to Angeles city again, the beautifull phillipina are already in HK.
I see that people compare AC with Pattaya, and I will totally disagree, soi6 is full of nice girls starting 1 pm, there is nice food, the sea is near and globally you can walk in the street and enjoy.
Hope that my review can help people that idealize AC too much, if you go there for a first time don't expect much.
Best regards.Agree with all you said about AC. I've stopped going there, waste of time and money. It also offers little generally. No beach, unimaginative generally low quality food. It's also rather unsafe outside of major populated areas are night. Trikes are a scam, same price as online taxis but physically dangerous.
I'm sure you already know that there's nice talent in the discos in Wanchi HK on weekends. Best during afternoons. As you travel a lot, recommend Jakarta.
WestCoast1
10-07-23, 09:48
SNIP waste of time and money. It also offers little generally. No beach, unimaginative generally low quality food. It's also rather unsafe outside of major populated areas are night. Trikes are a scam, same price as online taxis but physically dangerous.Best all-around description of AC.
However, good things come in small packages, and can be had there. This one is 4' 10" and 35 kg.
Fewer posts on the Phils threads lately. Sad face.
Wicked Roger
10-07-23, 22:23
Agree with all you said about AC. I've stopped going there, waste of time and money. It also offers little generally. No beach, unimaginative generally low quality food. It's also rather unsafe outside of major populated areas are night. Trikes are a scam, same price as online taxis but physically dangerous.
I'm sure you already know that there's nice talent in the discos in Wanchi HK on weekends. Best during afternoons. As you travel a lot, recommend Jakarta.For me this is a correct summation of AC. I have been there a few times, got the T short even attended a wedding there but it is soulless, only OK for a sex party (which I also attended in AC. A mates birthday present from his Filipina wife).
IHMO better place to visit, stay, experience in all aspects.
But each to his own and YMMV etc as we say 😁.
Firstly the walking street is worn down, smelly and reeks of decay. The nights when it was thriving with mongers, gals and a lush atmosphere are over and out. The Koreans bled the scene with their exclusive clubs and the Covid hysteria did the rest.
Generally, the gals in the bars either don't care to begin with, or are not interested in p4 p.
How's that?
The 'couldn't care less' gals are simply too busy with their phones, online with those fools in the western world, Korea, Japan and even China that send them money. And they tend to have various each, because these fools tend to go offline after a few months of PwithoutP. So, they keep chatting and feeding these fools 'love' and 'need'. They milk around 400-1000 USD per month -and then you enter the bar, ready to spend a few hundreds on drinks and a few thousand for P4 P. Hah!
The other group of gals will milk YOU, but not the way you would like! They have learned that milking those Koreans and Chinese for lady drinks all night turns out more lucrative in the long run, than opening their legs. They apply that to you too now. So, they get you drinking, happy and generous until you insist on some pussy. That's when they turn sour and let you know that they'll have time and / or admission only after work. At 2, 3 or 4 in the morning. Or that they're on their period "So sorry, hon!
Unfortunately, the freelance scene has by and large raised prices into Korean levels. So it's P4P, if you get my twist.
I have long turned towards irregular* freelance and real regular Pinay. I still pay even if I don't always have to, but I get real pussy in real action. I make initial contact online. DIA ist still a good choice, despite all the scammers. And Tinder works well too.
Since I travel throughout the Philippines, I prefer to make dates with real Pinay online in the province. It's non professional, so you got to be open to no-show, no-play and no-fun. Anything can happen. But WHEN you get lucky. I had 2 virgin Pinay in those last to years. I was really not looking for that or aware. But it is a sweet experience!
*: irregular freelance; non-pro gals who lead a normal life, possibly with a job and / or a family, who enjoy a little excitement, extra cash, invitations to restaurants, bars, clubs and a hotel pool, good sex and a change from their routine.
Expat American
10-08-23, 17:14
I have long turned towards irregular* freelance and real regular Pinay. I still pay even if I don't always have to, but I get real pussy in real action. I make initial contact online. DIA ist still a good choice, despite all the scammers. And Tinder works well too.
Since I travel throughout the Philippines, I prefer to make dates with real Pinay online in the province. It's non professional, so you got to be open to no-show, no-play and no-fun. Anything can happen. But WHEN you get lucky. I had 2 virgin Pinay in those last to years. I was really not looking for that or aware. But it is a sweet experience!
*: irregular freelance; non-pro gals who lead a normal life, possibly with a job and / or a family, who enjoy a little excitement, extra cash, invitations to restaurants, bars, clubs and a hotel pool, good sex and a change from their routine.AC is the worst place to try and find irregular FL or normal girls. The entire economy is a bubble and any "good girl" knows you are a monger. Your strategy is sound in any other part of the Phils. In Cebu its gold. AC is a point and shoot place.
WestCoast1
10-08-23, 17:29
From a recent stint in sin city.
Fields FL. Sunday thru Thursday, small selection, full range from bakla to older / fugly (many) to young / cute (less of them). Friday sees a 50% increase of girls in the street. Saturday is 50% more than Friday, with oodles of lookers walking, from WS to Insomnia, and A Santos. Now on to the bar scene.
Caveat: As with my previous Burgos and AC reports, things are both subjective (my view) and also things change over time (both in just 5 minutes inside a gogo bar things can change, and by tomorrow things have changed, or over a period of weeks as girls come and go). If you read my report and then see something different at a later time, it might be because you and I have different tastes or views, or it might be because things have changed.
Body Shop, p90 drinks 3 pm - 12 midnight. P3000 barfine all girls. LD 290. I was the only customer. 4 girls, only 1 was a YES.
Second evening: Similar. 7 girls, same YES girl, the rest NO. Three customers total. The sign outside says the bar is for sale. Also next door, a sign says Envy hotel is for sale.
Another evening I went in and there were 2 YES girls, the rest NO. I was the only customer.
OTOH. Went in the following Monday evening. A show was being performed involving several bar's girls, including BS and Marquee among others. Great show, all seats in BS were occupied. Taped nips, lesbianism, twerking performances, topless. Great party atmosphere, and geezer city. I believe LD's were p160 during the show.
Casino bar, p120 drinks always. P4500 LT barfine all girls. Good mix of talent from about 15 girls.
Lollipop bar, p135 drinks, 11 pm (p90 during HH). Nice mix of girls, 8 YES and 5 NO on stage. Questionable barfine, waitress: "Up to each girl. You ask her". I have to ask each girl how much is her barfine? "Yes". Miss I will not call each girl over to ask. I have to know in advance how much is her barfine amount before deciding to chat her or buy her a drink. "OK. Black uniform is 5000. Red is 4000". Thanks, and why didn't you just lead with that?
Very playful in the bar: 4 separate pairs of girls doing lesbian at the same time on stage; 3 other gals at tables all over their customer who was buying them LD. All in black or red bikinis. A slightly lesser set of talent than my previous report 2 months ago (overall a bit more chubby).
Went back another evening with a mate, happy hour drinks were sub-p100. He pulled a girl down for LD, and she rocked him pretty good in his lap for a good 20-25 minutes. Slightly better set of talent on the stage.
Brown Sugar, p70 drinks before 8 pm. Bar opens 6 pm. Barfine p4000, LT / ST is up to the customer. 12 girls, 4 dancing on stage. Three 7's in the bunch (one on stage), one 8 who was table dancing for a Korean guy. She was doing every nawty thing she could do without touching him to get his attention. But he was busy with his phone, ignoring her. The rest were chubs.
Another night, 7 girls on stage (one '7' and the rest fugly 5's and 6's) became 4 girls on stage. Worst shuffle I've ever seen. One of the dullest and un-party-like atmospheres. The old 'emergency egress' needed by the second sip of my rum / coke. Two customers.
Another evening, 5 girls on stage. Three of them were in my YES category, 2 were chubs. At some point one of the chubs took her shirt completely off, no bra underneath. She had pasties on over her nipples. She was also the wildest dancer, and fun to watch, dancing like no one was watching. 4 customers.
Aces Bar, p100 drinks. 2 girls on stage doing a spotlight dance in bikinis. Both girls from a distance have nice figures, but I sat at the dance stage and saw the mommy bellies and stretch marks. Later the regular dancers came back to the stage: Six so-so girls (mild pass) and two cuties. Barfine p4000 all girls.
Soya bar (near Brown Sugar). 15 girls, 9 on stage. This was a lovely opportunity turned crap, and fast. When I parted the curtains to enter, the 9 girls on stage (dressed in black) were mostly lovely to look at. There was a small group of young koreans at one table, and two other individual white fellas at separate tables having a drink. There were half a dozen or so GRO sitting around with each other at tables. Ordered a are / see and off the waitress went to the bar to fetch while I slipped into the CR. All the girls on stage were actively doing a correographed dance to a song and seemed happy as I entered the CR. When I came out of the CR I was about to my table just as the waitress put the drink on my table. At that moment, all 9 girls on stage walked over to the railing (the song still playing), picked up their phones, and sat down on the stage. While customers were watching them dance. They all just tuned in to FB or YT or such on their phones. After several minutes I was wondering where the next shift of girls was. The group of korean fellas left, and even the waitresses and bartender seemed to take a break and stop working (while the music continued and the GRO were still sitting down, ignoring everyone).
A moment later the bell rang (customer entering). All the dancers and waitresses jumped up, the dancers started dancing (not the correographed dance, but a shuffle). A older korean fella and his pinay entered the bar. The couple made a quick 360 around the bar to look around and headed to the door, emergency egress for them. As they got to the door to depart, all the staff sat back down, the dancers went back to their phones. The few remaining paying customers in the bar were out of luck if they expected to see anymore dancing. The girls only dance for about a minute after any new customer gets his drink.
Another evening. LD 320, customer drink 150. Barfine p4000. Six girls in black dress on stage 3 YES, 1 MAYBE, 2 NO. 2 girls having a LD with customers. 11 Korean customers, and your favorite ISG guy. In the 25 minutes I was there, the 6 gals on stage barely moved. One was applying makeup with a compact mirror most of the time.
SS bar. Walked in one evening to loud music, and 4 dancers sitting at the bar (not on the dance floor) with the bartender and waitresses. Looked like a lunch break. Nobody noticed that I had walked in. Emergency egress.
Skyfall bar. I entered twice in the same day, late afternoon and 10 pm. In the afternoon there were several girls shuffling on the stage, several having a LD with korean customers, and at a dozen more sitting around chatting each other up. All of that while a bunch of korean customers were sitting around drinking with no girl / LD. In the evening, even worse. Same customer situation, with 15 girls (3 groups of 5 girls) sitting on the stage doing nothing. This is the post-covid AC. Guessing these last 2 bars are K-owned.
Atlantis. Same as my previous report a month ago. Few customers, 15-ish girls upstairs (2 were a YES, the rest were NO). About 20 girls shuffling on stage (4 YES, the rest NO). Dull. There were several Korean customers, but nobody was making any fuss over them or even noticing them (they weren't throwing money).
Party One bar. Previously on A Santos, at corner Vian (previously called WOW 1 Bar), across the street from Tequila Reef. Now about 3 doors down from the old location on Vian, towards Scorebirds. P3 k LT or 1500ST. 4 average so-so MAYBE girls and 1 YES girl sitting around doing nothing. I stopped and spoke to them about 4 pm, then walked by about 9 pm. Every girl was sitting in the same chair still on her phone.
Walked by another evening about 7 pm and poked my handsome head inside to see 3 MAYBE and two YES, a noticeable improvement.
Bar Nana on WS. There are two bar groups operating there, one in the daytime and another in the evening. Daytime its just like any other bar. Daytime, the door is open and barkers try to draw you inside. I walked in to look at the talent: Not bad. About 5-6 pm it becomes VIP bar. To enter VIP bar you can not walk in, take a look, and walk out. The door is closed and a bouncer outside makes sure you will buy a beer (p230) or mixed drink (300). "Of course the drinks is more, you must be a VIP to enter sir". Glad I walked away from that. Two days later, in the evening the doors were padlocked and the place dark. The barker guy next door said VIP is separate from the morning / afternoon Nana, and VIP ran out of evening girls, the girls slowly quit. The barker said the daytime Nana is still open. Its possible that they just drink-priced themselves out of biz.
Three nights later, the evening shift is operating again. A bouncer is outside with a big sign that reads as such: "Currently full". Like you need to wait in line for a customer to depart in order to get in. The next night the sign reads: "VIP Bar Nana", and this time barker girls are outside, operating as the first night.
Penguin bar (located in the al fresco dining area near McDo, next door to Bunny bar). 12 cuties sitting on stage on their phones. Turned and walked. After Soya, nothing invokes emergency egress like a customer-less gogo bar with its chicas sitting down (or sometimes you see them lying down on the bench seats) when they should be at least shuffling. Also few things say either poorly run, or else bad market conditions, when they spend a chunk of their day with no (or few) customers inside. Unlike Gecko / Lolli / LaBamba / Marquee, which are mostly full with geezers days / nightly, these Korean bars nightly go thru spells of no customers followed by 5-10 Koreans.
Few nights later went in for a look. Saturday 9 pm. No customers. A dark bar with 2 girls dancing sultry on stage in black uniform, and about 4 girls sitting off to the side alone. Egress.
Las Vegas. BF 4000, you must ask the girl if she will LT or ST. LV has fallen in terms of guapas. 17 girls on stage, 7 were YES girls in their evening gown dress, nice figures. The rest were chubs. When they came off stage, 3 Spotlight dancers came on dressed in black and slutty. I figured some choreographed nawty ass-shakin' was coming to my face. I was wrong. All three girls were doing the slowest, weakest attempt at sultry, for 3 solid songs (one song is plenty). At one point while the 3 spotlight girls were doing a slow shuffle, one of the hotter 7 YES girls jumped up on stage and started shaking it up. Great figure and the crowd got into it, completely upstaging the spotlight girls (thank God). Korean guys started tossing p20 notes at her. After that, finished drink and egress.
Dragon bar. A sign and 2 barkers downstairs say 100 sexy girls upstairs. Up I climbed. Walked into a dark / dingy place with no girls on stage. Lots of couches about the place, with lots of girls sitting and chatting with each other. About a dozen customers in various places, some with girls / LD. Nobody on stage. I took a seat and waited for a waitress to acost me for my drink and to bring me some of those many girls sitting around doing nothing. But no. Sat there for2 minutes and saw waitresses walk right by me slinging drinks, but nobody spoke to me. Not a single girl took to the stage. So I picked up my fragile male ego and egressed. Asked the barker girl at the street where the dancers were. "Not sure. Spotlight dancers will come later". How much later? "Not sure". Continued my egress.
Few nights later went up and there were 15-ish girls dancing on stage, dressed in white / blue slutty schoolgirl outfits. Very nice! Didn't stay for a drink as I was meeting someone.
Hook bar, on Real St, is a pool hall. P300/ hour to rent a table. P300 if you want to buy a girl a drink and she plays pool with you. Wet bar. No idea if they have a barfine. Bunch of pretty girls who sit outside, maybe 5-6 of them, as barkers and pool hustlers. I meant to ask if Efren was inside.
Gecko's bar, p4000 barfine, p95 happy hour drinks. On stage, 10 girls when I arrived, 7 YES and 3 NO. Over an hour and 2 drinks, every few minutes 1-2 new girls came out of the changing room and joined one end of the stage lineup, pushing off 1-2 on the far end (slow-rotating shift change). Three tiny cuties came out of the changing room at one time, waiting to go on stage. All were very cute, flat tums, nice asses, great makeup and re-bonded hair. Hot! Good slew of girls overall. Unfortunately its mostly the shuffle or poor choreographed dancing. Geckos is full of customers every time I pass buy. Effing geezers save me a spot!
LaBamba bar, 4 fugs on stage, one SO-SO girl sitting with a customer. Lots of customers. Yuck, egress.
Owl's Nest bar, 2 fugs on stage and the rest of the bar completely empty. Didn't even see the bartender, mama, or waitress when I walked around inside a bit. I'd like to say that I came at the very opening of the bar but the bar was open for several hours. Egress.
Avalon bar, next door to Owl's Nest. 8 girls on stage, 6 YES and 2 fugs. Also not a single customer inside. Egress.
DollHouse bar. P150 drinks, p300 LD. P4000ST and P5000 LT. 12 girls on stage, 3 very attractive, 3 YES, 6 chubby / NO. Very tallll lineup on stage. Terrible slow sultry dance that lasted for 4 songs. One skinny in each of the second floor birdcages. Downstairs most seats filled with customers, 70% Korean and 30% white.
Camelot bar. 13 girls on stage, good lineup. One WOW girl, 8 YES, 4 chubs. P4000 barfine, and "Sir LT or ST is up to the customer" (that's great news). P120 all customer drinks, p350 LD.
XS bar. Still a hundred or more girls, divided into multiple categories: Models (sequined evening gowns), taped t*ts girls, pole dancers (good show) and various dance troup girls (good shows). All drinks p135. Two waitresses (one of whom I bought a LD 2 months ago) were baffled when I asked the barfine amount for the GRO. I mean baffled. Finally they brought over a mama, who said they had differing barfine amounts. Her explanation was so baffling that its difficult to explain here. If anyone else can get a solid answer (even a partial answer) on which girls barfine for which amounts, please share with the rest of us on the playground.
Separately, when one of the dance troups were dancing, several people in the upper balcony started throwing p20 notes, literally hundreds of them, from different sides of the stage (left, then right, then middle). The girls never broke stride, they danced the song to completion. Then they danced the next song to completion before running off the stage. The bouncers and other stage hands had to bring out brooms and boxes to clean up all the money on the stage. Business is GOOD!
Monsoon bar. Barfine? Asked a waitress: "Up to the girl sir". Each girl sets her own barfine? "Yes". What if the girl says p10 k? "Then ten thousand". What if she says 1000? "Then 1000". This just can't be right; no bar lets a girl out for 1000. There was another waitress there listening, who did not correct the waitress speaking.
Bunny bar. When I walked in, about 8 girls sitting on the stage on their phones. 3 Korean customers playing on their phones. Nobody moved when I walked in or bothered to seat me. Another fast egress.
Aura / Mix bar, across the street from Bunny. 6 attractive shuffling on stage, another 6 in booths on phones. Several Korean customers were looking at a small separate lineup of girls. They walked out without saying anything to the mama. So did I.
Champaigne. Very busy inside, lots of customers. But on stage were 6 chubs and a thin cutie. Egress.
High Quality. 20 girls, 10 YES, 3 wow girls, the rest fugs. Happy hour starts 9 pm. Midnight, p90 all drinks. Barfine p4500 LT all girls. The waitress told me that about half the girls were missing, the ones who had been barfined. I found that hard to believe as the bar had only been open about 2. 5 hours, and I was there for 40 minutes and hadn't seen a barfine. The waitress said that the early barfine bunch all went at once with some Koreans. They took about 10 girls at once.
Dimples Bar (Teodoro St, just off Fields Ave). 15 girls, 8 YES, 2 wow girls, 4-5 NO. Nice chat with the mama. 1 Korean customer (who was ignoring everyone, and was being ignored by everyone) and me.
Went in another night with a mate. 20 girls, 12 YES, the rest NO.
Cubix bar (A Santos, next to Uncle John's convenience store and directly across from Rob's Gastropub entrance). Like Party One bar, a combo of girls and sari store. A mama, and 0-1-2-3 girls who are in / out of the place, and sometime I think they switch girls with Party One bar. Guessing same barfine price, p3000 LT and 1500ST.
Cosplay bar (back in biz after a health / safety shutdown). 9 girls on stage, all YES for me. One of them was taller and hot, but the tats were a turnoff. Drinks p80, LD 250, but I think it was happy hour 9 pm - 1 am. About 8 Korean customers and 2 white customers. Barfine 4500 all girls for LT.
Lucifer bar. Drinks p135. First group of 10 girls on stage: 3 hot, 2 YES, 5 napa-slapa-chubs. Second group a bit better, 11 girls: 1 Hot, 7 YES, 3 chubs. LD p350. Barfine: 'Spotlight' dancers (the only ones wearing a bikini on stage) are p4000, other dancers (wearing tight-fitting dresses and mostly chubs) and waitresses are p3000. This is another bar where you might get confused answers to the barfine prices from differing waitresses. Finally a mama gives the simple explanation (bikini 4000, all others 3000).
Masquerade bar. Barfine 4000ST, 5000 LT. Drinks p100, LD 290. Better crowd and lineup than my previous report. 12 girls on stage, another 8 sitting around or with gents having LD. Of those on stage: 2 NO (tats and chub), 2 MAYBE, 6 YES, and 2 young / hot. Festive crowd, I had to squeeze in for a seat. Bought a LD for one of the kini-clad beauties. She ordered beer and a waitress sat with us. Her beer lasted 20+ minutes and she sat with me for another ten (sweet).
Another night went in with a mate. Bought a girl a LD. She also got a beer and spent about half an hour with me and my friend.
Insomnia bar. Entered 9 pm to a full house. Not a seat available anywhere. Rockin' place. Happy egress, will try another time.
FuriousGeorge
10-08-23, 20:28
Really good stuff. I saw enough YESes in there to know I'll have a good time when I'm there in December.
From a recent stint in sin city.
Threadbare
10-08-23, 21:41
Great review West Coast this is really useful information for oldies and newbies alike. I'm planning to visit again in November and hope I can follow some of your footsteps, maybe missing out a few of the hasty exits! Thanks for taking the time to write this.
From a recent stint in sin city.
Fields FL. Sunday thru Thursday, small selection, full range from bakla to older / fugly (many) to young / cute (less of them). Friday sees a 50% increase of girls in the street. Saturday is 50% more than Friday, with oodles of lookers walking, from WS to Insomnia, and A Santos. Now on to the bar scene.
Caveat: As with my previous Burgos and AC reports, things are both subjective (my view) and also things change over time (both in just 5 minutes inside a gogo bar things can change, and by tomorrow things have changed, or over a period of weeks as girls come and go). If you read my report and then see something different at a later time, it might be because you and I have different tastes or views, or it might be because things have changed.
Body Shop, p90 drinks 3 pm - 12 midnight. P3000 barfine all girls. LD 290. I was the only customer. 4 girls, only 1 was a YES.
Second evening: Similar. 7 girls, same YES girl, the rest NO. Three customers total. The sign outside says the bar is for sale. Also next door, a sign says Envy hotel is for sale.
Another evening I went in and there were 2 YES girls, the rest NO. I was the only customer.
OTOH. Went in the following Monday evening. A show was being performed involving several bar's girls, including BS and Marquee among others. Great show, all seats in BS were occupied. Taped nips, lesbianism, twerking performances, topless. Great party atmosphere, and geezer city. I believe LD's were p160 during the show.
Casino bar, p120 drinks always. P4500 LT barfine all girls. Good mix of talent from about 15 girls.
Lollipop bar, p135 drinks, 11 pm (p90 during HH). Nice mix of girls, 8 YES and 5 NO on stage. Questionable barfine, waitress: "Up to each girl. You ask her". I have to ask each girl how much is her barfine? "Yes". Miss I will not call each girl over to ask. I have to know in advance how much is her barfine amount before deciding to chat her or buy her a drink. "OK. Black uniform is 5000. Red is 4000". Thanks, and why didn't you just lead with that?
Very playful in the bar: 4 separate pairs of girls doing lesbian at the same time on stage; 3 other gals at tables all over their customer who was buying them LD. All in black or red bikinis. A slightly lesser set of talent than my previous report 2 months ago (overall a bit more chubby).
Went back another evening with a mate, happy hour drinks were sub-p100. He pulled a girl down for LD, and she rocked him pretty good in his lap for a good 20-25 minutes. Slightly better set of talent on the stage.
Brown Sugar, p70 drinks before 8 pm. Bar opens 6 pm. Barfine p4000, LT / ST is up to the customer. 12 girls, 4 dancing on stage. Three 7's in the bunch (one on stage), one 8 who was table dancing for a Korean guy. She was doing every nawty thing she could do without touching him to get his attention. But he was busy with his phone, ignoring her. The rest were chubs.
Another night, 7 girls on stage (one '7' and the rest fugly 5's and 6's) became 4 girls on stage. Worst shuffle I've ever seen. One of the dullest and un-party-like atmospheres. The old 'emergency egress' needed by the second sip of my rum / coke. Two customers.
Another evening, 5 girls on stage. Three of them were in my YES category, 2 were chubs. At some point one of the chubs took her shirt completely off, no bra underneath. She had pasties on over her nipples. She was also the wildest dancer, and fun to watch, dancing like no one was watching. 4 customers.
Aces Bar, p100 drinks. 2 girls on stage doing a spotlight dance in bikinis. Both girls from a distance have nice figures, but I sat at the dance stage and saw the mommy bellies and stretch marks. Later the regular dancers came back to the stage: Six so-so girls (mild pass) and two cuties. Barfine p4000 all girls.
Soya bar (near Brown Sugar). 15 girls, 9 on stage. This was a lovely opportunity turned crap, and fast. When I parted the curtains to enter, the 9 girls on stage (dressed in black) were mostly lovely to look at. There was a small group of young koreans at one table, and two other individual white fellas at separate tables having a drink. There were half a dozen or so GRO sitting around with each other at tables. Ordered a are / see and off the waitress went to the bar to fetch while I slipped into the CR. All the girls on stage were actively doing a correographed dance to a song and seemed happy as I entered the CR. When I came out of the CR I was about to my table just as the waitress put the drink on my table. At that moment, all 9 girls on stage walked over to the railing (the song still playing), picked up their phones, and sat down on the stage. While customers were watching them dance. They all just tuned in to FB or YT or such on their phones. After several minutes I was wondering where the next shift of girls was. The group of korean fellas left, and even the waitresses and bartender seemed to take a break and stop working (while the music continued and the GRO were still sitting down, ignoring everyone).
A moment later the bell rang (customer entering). All the dancers and waitresses jumped up, the dancers started dancing (not the correographed dance, but a shuffle). A older korean fella and his pinay entered the bar. The couple made a quick 360 around the bar to look around and headed to the door, emergency egress for them. As they got to the door to depart, all the staff sat back down, the dancers went back to their phones. The few remaining paying customers in the bar were out of luck if they expected to see anymore dancing. The girls only dance for about a minute after any new customer gets his drink.
Another evening. LD 320, customer drink 150. Barfine p4000. Six girls in black dress on stage 3 YES, 1 MAYBE, 2 NO. 2 girls having a LD with customers. 11 Korean customers, and your favorite ISG guy. In the 25 minutes I was there, the 6 gals on stage barely moved. One was applying makeup with a compact mirror most of the time.
SS bar. Walked in one evening to loud music, and 4 dancers sitting at the bar (not on the dance floor) with the bartender and waitresses. Looked like a lunch break. Nobody noticed that I had walked in. Emergency egress.
Skyfall bar. I entered twice in the same day, late afternoon and 10 pm. In the afternoon there were several girls shuffling on the stage, several having a LD with korean customers, and at a dozen more sitting around chatting each other up. All of that while a bunch of korean customers were sitting around drinking with no girl / LD. In the evening, even worse. Same customer situation, with 15 girls (3 groups of 5 girls) sitting on the stage doing nothing. This is the post-covid AC. Guessing these last 2 bars are K-owned.
Atlantis. Same as my previous report a month ago. Few customers, 15-ish girls upstairs (2 were a YES, the rest were NO). About 20 girls shuffling on stage (4 YES, the rest NO). Dull. There were several Korean customers, but nobody was making any fuss over them or even noticing them (they weren't throwing money).
Party One bar. Previously on A Santos, at corner Vian (previously called WOW 1 Bar), across the street from Tequila Reef. Now about 3 doors down from the old location on Vian, towards Scorebirds. P3 k LT or 1500ST. 4 average so-so MAYBE girls and 1 YES girl sitting around doing nothing. I stopped and spoke to them about 4 pm, then walked by about 9 pm. Every girl was sitting in the same chair still on her phone.
Walked by another evening about 7 pm and poked my handsome head inside to see 3 MAYBE and two YES, a noticeable improvement.
Bar Nana on WS. There are two bar groups operating there, one in the daytime and another in the evening. Daytime its just like any other bar. Daytime, the door is open and barkers try to draw you inside. I walked in to look at the talent: Not bad. About 5-6 pm it becomes VIP bar. To enter VIP bar you can not walk in, take a look, and walk out. The door is closed and a bouncer outside makes sure you will buy a beer (p230) or mixed drink (300). "Of course the drinks is more, you must be a VIP to enter sir". Glad I walked away from that. Two days later, in the evening the doors were padlocked and the place dark. The barker guy next door said VIP is separate from the morning / afternoon Nana, and VIP ran out of evening girls, the girls slowly quit. The barker said the daytime Nana is still open. Its possible that they just drink-priced themselves out of biz.
Three nights later, the evening shift is operating again. A bouncer is outside with a big sign that reads as such: "Currently full". Like you need to wait in line for a customer to depart in order to get in. The next night the sign reads: "VIP Bar Nana", and this time barker girls are outside, operating as the first night.
Penguin bar (located in the al fresco dining area near McDo, next door to Bunny bar). 12 cuties sitting on stage on their phones. Turned and walked. After Soya, nothing invokes emergency egress like a customer-less gogo bar with its chicas sitting down (or sometimes you see them lying down on the bench seats) when they should be at least shuffling. Also few things say either poorly run, or else bad market conditions, when they spend a chunk of their day with no (or few) customers inside. Unlike Gecko / Lolli / LaBamba / Marquee, which are mostly full with geezers days / nightly, these Korean bars nightly go thru spells of no customers followed by 5-10 Koreans.
Few nights later went in for a look. Saturday 9 pm. No customers. A dark bar with 2 girls dancing sultry on stage in black uniform, and about 4 girls sitting off to the side alone. Egress.
Las Vegas. BF 4000, you must ask the girl if she will LT or ST. LV has fallen in terms of guapas. 17 girls on stage, 7 were YES girls in their evening gown dress, nice figures. The rest were chubs. When they came off stage, 3 Spotlight dancers came on dressed in black and slutty. I figured some choreographed nawty ass-shakin' was coming to my face. I was wrong. All three girls were doing the slowest, weakest attempt at sultry, for 3 solid songs (one song is plenty). At one point while the 3 spotlight girls were doing a slow shuffle, one of the hotter 7 YES girls jumped up on stage and started shaking it up. Great figure and the crowd got into it, completely upstaging the spotlight girls (thank God). Korean guys started tossing p20 notes at her. After that, finished drink and egress.
Dragon bar. A sign and 2 barkers downstairs say 100 sexy girls upstairs. Up I climbed. Walked into a dark / dingy place with no girls on stage. Lots of couches about the place, with lots of girls sitting and chatting with each other. About a dozen customers in various places, some with girls / LD. Nobody on stage. I took a seat and waited for a waitress to acost me for my drink and to bring me some of those many girls sitting around doing nothing. But no. Sat there for2 minutes and saw waitresses walk right by me slinging drinks, but nobody spoke to me. Not a single girl took to the stage. So I picked up my fragile male ego and egressed. Asked the barker girl at the street where the dancers were. "Not sure. Spotlight dancers will come later". How much later? "Not sure". Continued my egress.
Few nights later went up and there were 15-ish girls dancing on stage, dressed in white / blue slutty schoolgirl outfits. Very nice! Didn't stay for a drink as I was meeting someone.
Hook bar, on Real St, is a pool hall. P300/ hour to rent a table. P300 if you want to buy a girl a drink and she plays pool with you. Wet bar. No idea if they have a barfine. Bunch of pretty girls who sit outside, maybe 5-6 of them, as barkers and pool hustlers. I meant to ask if Efren was inside.
Gecko's bar, p4000 barfine, p95 happy hour drinks. On stage, 10 girls when I arrived, 7 YES and 3 NO. Over an hour and 2 drinks, every few minutes 1-2 new girls came out of the changing room and joined one end of the stage lineup, pushing off 1-2 on the far end (slow-rotating shift change). Three tiny cuties came out of the changing room at one time, waiting to go on stage. All were very cute, flat tums, nice asses, great makeup and re-bonded hair. Hot! Good slew of girls overall. Unfortunately its mostly the shuffle or poor choreographed dancing. Geckos is full of customers every time I pass buy. Effing geezers save me a spot!
LaBamba bar, 4 fugs on stage, one SO-SO girl sitting with a customer. Lots of customers. Yuck, egress.
Owl's Nest bar, 2 fugs on stage and the rest of the bar completely empty. Didn't even see the bartender, mama, or waitress when I walked around inside a bit. I'd like to say that I came at the very opening of the bar but the bar was open for several hours. Egress.
Avalon bar, next door to Owl's Nest. 8 girls on stage, 6 YES and 2 fugs. Also not a single customer inside. Egress.
DollHouse bar. P150 drinks, p300 LD. P4000ST and P5000 LT. 12 girls on stage, 3 very attractive, 3 YES, 6 chubby / NO. Very tallll lineup on stage. Terrible slow sultry dance that lasted for 4 songs. One skinny in each of the second floor birdcages. Downstairs most seats filled with customers, 70% Korean and 30% white.
Camelot bar. 13 girls on stage, good lineup. One WOW girl, 8 YES, 4 chubs. P4000 barfine, and "Sir LT or ST is up to the customer" (that's great news). P120 all customer drinks, p350 LD.
XS bar. Still a hundred or more girls, divided into multiple categories: Models (sequined evening gowns), taped t*ts girls, pole dancers (good show) and various dance troup girls (good shows). All drinks p135. Two waitresses (one of whom I bought a LD 2 months ago) were baffled when I asked the barfine amount for the GRO. I mean baffled. Finally they brought over a mama, who said they had differing barfine amounts. Her explanation was so baffling that its difficult to explain here. If anyone else can get a solid answer (even a partial answer) on which girls barfine for which amounts, please share with the rest of us on the playground.
Separately, when one of the dance troups were dancing, several people in the upper balcony started throwing p20 notes, literally hundreds of them, from different sides of the stage (left, then right, then middle). The girls never broke stride, they danced the song to completion. Then they danced the next song to completion before running off the stage. The bouncers and other stage hands had to bring out brooms and boxes to clean up all the money on the stage. Business is GOOD!
Monsoon bar. Barfine? Asked a waitress: "Up to the girl sir". Each girl sets her own barfine? "Yes". What if the girl says p10 k? "Then ten thousand". What if she says 1000? "Then 1000". This just can't be right; no bar lets a girl out for 1000. There was another waitress there listening, who did not correct the waitress speaking.
Bunny bar. When I walked in, about 8 girls sitting on the stage on their phones. 3 Korean customers playing on their phones. Nobody moved when I walked in or bothered to seat me. Another fast egress.
Aura / Mix bar, across the street from Bunny. 6 attractive shuffling on stage, another 6 in booths on phones. Several Korean customers were looking at a small separate lineup of girls. They walked out without saying anything to the mama. So did I.
Champaigne. Very busy inside, lots of customers. But on stage were 6 chubs and a thin cutie. Egress.
High Quality. 20 girls, 10 YES, 3 wow girls, the rest fugs. Happy hour starts 9 pm. Midnight, p90 all drinks. Barfine p4500 LT all girls. The waitress told me that about half the girls were missing, the ones who had been barfined. I found that hard to believe as the bar had only been open about 2. 5 hours, and I was there for 40 minutes and hadn't seen a barfine. The waitress said that the early barfine bunch all went at once with some Koreans. They took about 10 girls at once.
Dimples Bar (Teodoro St, just off Fields Ave). 15 girls, 8 YES, 2 wow girls, 4-5 NO. Nice chat with the mama. 1 Korean customer (who was ignoring everyone, and was being ignored by everyone) and me.
Went in another night with a mate. 20 girls, 12 YES, the rest NO.
Cubix bar (A Santos, next to Uncle John's convenience store and directly across from Rob's Gastropub entrance). Like Party One bar, a combo of girls and sari store. A mama, and 0-1-2-3 girls who are in / out of the place, and sometime I think they switch girls with Party One bar. Guessing same barfine price, p3000 LT and 1500ST.
Cosplay bar (back in biz after a health / safety shutdown). 9 girls on stage, all YES for me. One of them was taller and hot, but the tats were a turnoff. Drinks p80, LD 250, but I think it was happy hour 9 pm - 1 am. About 8 Korean customers and 2 white customers. Barfine 4500 all girls for LT.
Lucifer bar. Drinks p135. First group of 10 girls on stage: 3 hot, 2 YES, 5 napa-slapa-chubs. Second group a bit better, 11 girls: 1 Hot, 7 YES, 3 chubs. LD p350. Barfine: 'Spotlight' dancers (the only ones wearing a bikini on stage) are p4000, other dancers (wearing tight-fitting dresses and mostly chubs) and waitresses are p3000. This is another bar where you might get confused answers to the barfine prices from differing waitresses. Finally a mama gives the simple explanation (bikini 4000, all others 3000).
Masquerade bar. Barfine 4000ST, 5000 LT. Drinks p100, LD 290. Better crowd and lineup than my previous report. 12 girls on stage, another 8 sitting around or with gents having LD. Of those on stage: 2 NO (tats and chub), 2 MAYBE, 6 YES, and 2 young / hot. Festive crowd, I had to squeeze in for a seat. Bought a LD for one of the kini-clad beauties. She ordered beer and a waitress sat with us. Her beer lasted 20+ minutes and she sat with me for another ten (sweet).
Another night went in with a mate. Bought a girl a LD. She also got a beer and spent about half an hour with me and my friend.
Insomnia bar. Entered 9 pm to a full house. Not a seat available anywhere. Rockin' place. Happy egress, will try another time.
Great report of so many bars. You must have had fun.
What you experienced in Hi Quality is probably 'the app' aka BAND app. Where they order the girls online first. It's not so much of a secret and 95% aren't exclusive girls they just get booked before their shift or never make it to their shift. Personally I find it odd as it's like being an online freelancer but the bar takes your cut and you can't get lady drinks. But it seems to be the way some of them go.
From a recent stint in sin city.
Fields FL. Sunday thru Thursday, small selection, full range from bakla to older / fugly (many) to young / cute (less of them). Friday sees a 50% increase of girls in the street. Saturday is 50% more than Friday, with oodles of lookers walking, from WS to Insomnia, and A Santos. Now on to the bar scene.
Caveat: As with my previous Burgos and AC reports, things are both subjective (my view) and also things change over time (both in just 5 minutes inside a gogo bar things can change, and by tomorrow things have changed, or over a period of weeks as girls come and go). If you read my report and then see something different at a later time, it might be because you and I have different tastes or views, or it might be because things have changed.
Body Shop, p90 drinks 3 pm - 12 midnight. P3000 barfine all girls. LD 290. I was the only customer. 4 girls, only 1 was a YES.
Second evening: Similar. 7 girls, same YES girl, the rest NO. Three customers total. The sign outside says the bar is for sale. Also next door, a sign says Envy hotel is for sale.
Another evening I went in and there were 2 YES girls, the rest NO. I was the only customer.
OTOH. Went in the following Monday evening. A show was being performed involving several bar's girls, including BS and Marquee among others. Great show, all seats in BS were occupied. Taped nips, lesbianism, twerking performances, topless. Great party atmosphere, and geezer city. I believe LD's were p160 during the show.
Casino bar, p120 drinks always. P4500 LT barfine all girls. Good mix of talent from about 15 girls.
Lollipop bar, p135 drinks, 11 pm (p90 during HH). Nice mix of girls, 8 YES and 5 NO on stage. Questionable barfine, waitress: "Up to each girl. You ask her". I have to ask each girl how much is her barfine? "Yes". Miss I will not call each girl over to ask. I have to know in advance how much is her barfine amount before deciding to chat her or buy her a drink. "OK. Black uniform is 5000. Red is 4000". Thanks, and why didn't you just lead with that?
Very playful in the bar: 4 separate pairs of girls doing lesbian at the same time on stage; 3 other gals at tables all over their customer who was buying them LD. All in black or red bikinis. A slightly lesser set of talent than my previous report 2 months ago (overall a bit more chubby).
Went back another evening with a mate, happy hour drinks were sub-p100. He pulled a girl down for LD, and she rocked him pretty good in his lap for a good 20-25 minutes. Slightly better set of talent on the stage.
Brown Sugar, p70 drinks before 8 pm. Bar opens 6 pm. Barfine p4000, LT / ST is up to the customer. 12 girls, 4 dancing on stage. Three 7's in the bunch (one on stage), one 8 who was table dancing for a Korean guy. She was doing every nawty thing she could do without touching him to get his attention. But he was busy with his phone, ignoring her. The rest were chubs.
Another night, 7 girls on stage (one '7' and the rest fugly 5's and 6's) became 4 girls on stage. Worst shuffle I've ever seen. One of the dullest and un-party-like atmospheres. The old 'emergency egress' needed by the second sip of my rum / coke. Two customers.
Another evening, 5 girls on stage. Three of them were in my YES category, 2 were chubs. At some point one of the chubs took her shirt completely off, no bra underneath. She had pasties on over her nipples. She was also the wildest dancer, and fun to watch, dancing like no one was watching. 4 customers.
Aces Bar, p100 drinks. 2 girls on stage doing a spotlight dance in bikinis. Both girls from a distance have nice figures, but I sat at the dance stage and saw the mommy bellies and stretch marks. Later the regular dancers came back to the stage: Six so-so girls (mild pass) and two cuties. Barfine p4000 all girls.
Soya bar (near Brown Sugar). 15 girls, 9 on stage. This was a lovely opportunity turned crap, and fast. When I parted the curtains to enter, the 9 girls on stage (dressed in black) were mostly lovely to look at. There was a small group of young koreans at one table, and two other individual white fellas at separate tables having a drink. There were half a dozen or so GRO sitting around with each other at tables. Ordered a are / see and off the waitress went to the bar to fetch while I slipped into the CR. All the girls on stage were actively doing a correographed dance to a song and seemed happy as I entered the CR. When I came out of the CR I was about to my table just as the waitress put the drink on my table. At that moment, all 9 girls on stage walked over to the railing (the song still playing), picked up their phones, and sat down on the stage. While customers were watching them dance. They all just tuned in to FB or YT or such on their phones. After several minutes I was wondering where the next shift of girls was. The group of korean fellas left, and even the waitresses and bartender seemed to take a break and stop working (while the music continued and the GRO were still sitting down, ignoring everyone).
A moment later the bell rang (customer entering). All the dancers and waitresses jumped up, the dancers started dancing (not the correographed dance, but a shuffle). A older korean fella and his pinay entered the bar. The couple made a quick 360 around the bar to look around and headed to the door, emergency egress for them. As they got to the door to depart, all the staff sat back down, the dancers went back to their phones. The few remaining paying customers in the bar were out of luck if they expected to see anymore dancing. The girls only dance for about a minute after any new customer gets his drink.
Another evening. LD 320, customer drink 150. Barfine p4000. Six girls in black dress on stage 3 YES, 1 MAYBE, 2 NO. 2 girls having a LD with customers. 11 Korean customers, and your favorite ISG guy. In the 25 minutes I was there, the 6 gals on stage barely moved. One was applying makeup with a compact mirror most of the time.
SS bar. Walked in one evening to loud music, and 4 dancers sitting at the bar (not on the dance floor) with the bartender and waitresses. Looked like a lunch break. Nobody noticed that I had walked in. Emergency egress.
Skyfall bar. I entered twice in the same day, late afternoon and 10 pm. In the afternoon there were several girls shuffling on the stage, several having a LD with korean customers, and at a dozen more sitting around chatting each other up. All of that while a bunch of korean customers were sitting around drinking with no girl / LD. In the evening, even worse. Same customer situation, with 15 girls (3 groups of 5 girls) sitting on the stage doing nothing. This is the post-covid AC. Guessing these last 2 bars are K-owned.
Atlantis. Same as my previous report a month ago. Few customers, 15-ish girls upstairs (2 were a YES, the rest were NO). About 20 girls shuffling on stage (4 YES, the rest NO). Dull. There were several Korean customers, but nobody was making any fuss over them or even noticing them (they weren't throwing money).
Party One bar. Previously on A Santos, at corner Vian (previously called WOW 1 Bar), across the street from Tequila Reef. Now about 3 doors down from the old location on Vian, towards Scorebirds. P3 k LT or 1500ST. 4 average so-so MAYBE girls and 1 YES girl sitting around doing nothing. I stopped and spoke to them about 4 pm, then walked by about 9 pm. Every girl was sitting in the same chair still on her phone.
Walked by another evening about 7 pm and poked my handsome head inside to see 3 MAYBE and two YES, a noticeable improvement.
Bar Nana on WS. There are two bar groups operating there, one in the daytime and another in the evening. Daytime its just like any other bar. Daytime, the door is open and barkers try to draw you inside. I walked in to look at the talent: Not bad. About 5-6 pm it becomes VIP bar. To enter VIP bar you can not walk in, take a look, and walk out. The door is closed and a bouncer outside makes sure you will buy a beer (p230) or mixed drink (300). "Of course the drinks is more, you must be a VIP to enter sir". Glad I walked away from that. Two days later, in the evening the doors were padlocked and the place dark. The barker guy next door said VIP is separate from the morning / afternoon Nana, and VIP ran out of evening girls, the girls slowly quit. The barker said the daytime Nana is still open. Its possible that they just drink-priced themselves out of biz.
Three nights later, the evening shift is operating again. A bouncer is outside with a big sign that reads as such: "Currently full". Like you need to wait in line for a customer to depart in order to get in. The next night the sign reads: "VIP Bar Nana", and this time barker girls are outside, operating as the first night.
Penguin bar (located in the al fresco dining area near McDo, next door to Bunny bar). 12 cuties sitting on stage on their phones. Turned and walked. After Soya, nothing invokes emergency egress like a customer-less gogo bar with its chicas sitting down (or sometimes you see them lying down on the bench seats) when they should be at least shuffling. Also few things say either poorly run, or else bad market conditions, when they spend a chunk of their day with no (or few) customers inside. Unlike Gecko / Lolli / LaBamba / Marquee, which are mostly full with geezers days / nightly, these Korean bars nightly go thru spells of no customers followed by 5-10 Koreans.
Few nights later went in for a look. Saturday 9 pm. No customers. A dark bar with 2 girls dancing sultry on stage in black uniform, and about 4 girls sitting off to the side alone. Egress.
Las Vegas. BF 4000, you must ask the girl if she will LT or ST. LV has fallen in terms of guapas. 17 girls on stage, 7 were YES girls in their evening gown dress, nice figures. The rest were chubs. When they came off stage, 3 Spotlight dancers came on dressed in black and slutty. I figured some choreographed nawty ass-shakin' was coming to my face. I was wrong. All three girls were doing the slowest, weakest attempt at sultry, for 3 solid songs (one song is plenty). At one point while the 3 spotlight girls were doing a slow shuffle, one of the hotter 7 YES girls jumped up on stage and started shaking it up. Great figure and the crowd got into it, completely upstaging the spotlight girls (thank God). Korean guys started tossing p20 notes at her. After that, finished drink and egress.
Dragon bar. A sign and 2 barkers downstairs say 100 sexy girls upstairs. Up I climbed. Walked into a dark / dingy place with no girls on stage. Lots of couches about the place, with lots of girls sitting and chatting with each other. About a dozen customers in various places, some with girls / LD. Nobody on stage. I took a seat and waited for a waitress to acost me for my drink and to bring me some of those many girls sitting around doing nothing. But no. Sat there for2 minutes and saw waitresses walk right by me slinging drinks, but nobody spoke to me. Not a single girl took to the stage. So I picked up my fragile male ego and egressed. Asked the barker girl at the street where the dancers were. "Not sure. Spotlight dancers will come later". How much later? "Not sure". Continued my egress.
Few nights later went up and there were 15-ish girls dancing on stage, dressed in white / blue slutty schoolgirl outfits. Very nice! Didn't stay for a drink as I was meeting someone.
Hook bar, on Real St, is a pool hall. P300/ hour to rent a table. P300 if you want to buy a girl a drink and she plays pool with you. Wet bar. No idea if they have a barfine. Bunch of pretty girls who sit outside, maybe 5-6 of them, as barkers and pool hustlers. I meant to ask if Efren was inside.
Gecko's bar, p4000 barfine, p95 happy hour drinks. On stage, 10 girls when I arrived, 7 YES and 3 NO. Over an hour and 2 drinks, every few minutes 1-2 new girls came out of the changing room and joined one end of the stage lineup, pushing off 1-2 on the far end (slow-rotating shift change). Three tiny cuties came out of the changing room at one time, waiting to go on stage. All were very cute, flat tums, nice asses, great makeup and re-bonded hair. Hot! Good slew of girls overall. Unfortunately its mostly the shuffle or poor choreographed dancing. Geckos is full of customers every time I pass buy. Effing geezers save me a spot!
LaBamba bar, 4 fugs on stage, one SO-SO girl sitting with a customer. Lots of customers. Yuck, egress.
Owl's Nest bar, 2 fugs on stage and the rest of the bar completely empty. Didn't even see the bartender, mama, or waitress when I walked around inside a bit. I'd like to say that I came at the very opening of the bar but the bar was open for several hours. Egress.
Avalon bar, next door to Owl's Nest. 8 girls on stage, 6 YES and 2 fugs. Also not a single customer inside. Egress.
DollHouse bar. P150 drinks, p300 LD. P4000ST and P5000 LT. 12 girls on stage, 3 very attractive, 3 YES, 6 chubby / NO. Very tallll lineup on stage. Terrible slow sultry dance that lasted for 4 songs. One skinny in each of the second floor birdcages. Downstairs most seats filled with customers, 70% Korean and 30% white.
Camelot bar. 13 girls on stage, good lineup. One WOW girl, 8 YES, 4 chubs. P4000 barfine, and "Sir LT or ST is up to the customer" (that's great news). P120 all customer drinks, p350 LD.
XS bar. Still a hundred or more girls, divided into multiple categories: Models (sequined evening gowns), taped t*ts girls, pole dancers (good show) and various dance troup girls (good shows). All drinks p135. Two waitresses (one of whom I bought a LD 2 months ago) were baffled when I asked the barfine amount for the GRO. I mean baffled. Finally they brought over a mama, who said they had differing barfine amounts. Her explanation was so baffling that its difficult to explain here. If anyone else can get a solid answer (even a partial answer) on which girls barfine for which amounts, please share with the rest of us on the playground.
Separately, when one of the dance troups were dancing, several people in the upper balcony started throwing p20 notes, literally hundreds of them, from different sides of the stage (left, then right, then middle). The girls never broke stride, they danced the song to completion. Then they danced the next song to completion before running off the stage. The bouncers and other stage hands had to bring out brooms and boxes to clean up all the money on the stage. Business is GOOD!
Monsoon bar. Barfine? Asked a waitress: "Up to the girl sir". Each girl sets her own barfine? "Yes". What if the girl says p10 k? "Then ten thousand". What if she says 1000? "Then 1000". This just can't be right; no bar lets a girl out for 1000. There was another waitress there listening, who did not correct the waitress speaking.
Bunny bar. When I walked in, about 8 girls sitting on the stage on their phones. 3 Korean customers playing on their phones. Nobody moved when I walked in or bothered to seat me. Another fast egress.
Aura / Mix bar, across the street from Bunny. 6 attractive shuffling on stage, another 6 in booths on phones. Several Korean customers were looking at a small separate lineup of girls. They walked out without saying anything to the mama. So did I.
Champaigne. Very busy inside, lots of customers. But on stage were 6 chubs and a thin cutie. Egress.
High Quality. 20 girls, 10 YES, 3 wow girls, the rest fugs. Happy hour starts 9 pm. Midnight, p90 all drinks. Barfine p4500 LT all girls. The waitress told me that about half the girls were missing, the ones who had been barfined. I found that hard to believe as the bar had only been open about 2. 5 hours, and I was there for 40 minutes and hadn't seen a barfine. The waitress said that the early barfine bunch all went at once with some Koreans. They took about 10 girls at once.
Dimples Bar (Teodoro St, just off Fields Ave). 15 girls, 8 YES, 2 wow girls, 4-5 NO. Nice chat with the mama. 1 Korean customer (who was ignoring everyone, and was being ignored by everyone) and me.
Went in another night with a mate. 20 girls, 12 YES, the rest NO.
Cubix bar (A Santos, next to Uncle John's convenience store and directly across from Rob's Gastropub entrance). Like Party One bar, a combo of girls and sari store. A mama, and 0-1-2-3 girls who are in / out of the place, and sometime I think they switch girls with Party One bar. Guessing same barfine price, p3000 LT and 1500ST.
Cosplay bar (back in biz after a health / safety shutdown). 9 girls on stage, all YES for me. One of them was taller and hot, but the tats were a turnoff. Drinks p80, LD 250, but I think it was happy hour 9 pm - 1 am. About 8 Korean customers and 2 white customers. Barfine 4500 all girls for LT.
Lucifer bar. Drinks p135. First group of 10 girls on stage: 3 hot, 2 YES, 5 napa-slapa-chubs. Second group a bit better, 11 girls: 1 Hot, 7 YES, 3 chubs. LD p350. Barfine: 'Spotlight' dancers (the only ones wearing a bikini on stage) are p4000, other dancers (wearing tight-fitting dresses and mostly chubs) and waitresses are p3000. This is another bar where you might get confused answers to the barfine prices from differing waitresses. Finally a mama gives the simple explanation (bikini 4000, all others 3000).
Masquerade bar. Barfine 4000ST, 5000 LT. Drinks p100, LD 290. Better crowd and lineup than my previous report. 12 girls on stage, another 8 sitting around or with gents having LD. Of those on stage: 2 NO (tats and chub), 2 MAYBE, 6 YES, and 2 young / hot. Festive crowd, I had to squeeze in for a seat. Bought a LD for one of the kini-clad beauties. She ordered beer and a waitress sat with us. Her beer lasted 20+ minutes and she sat with me for another ten (sweet).
Another night went in with a mate. Bought a girl a LD. She also got a beer and spent about half an hour with me and my friend.
Insomnia bar. Entered 9 pm to a full house. Not a seat available anywhere. Rockin' place. Happy egress, will try another time.
I have long turned towards irregular* freelance and real regular Pinay. I still pay even if I don't always have to, but I get real pussy in real action. I make initial contact online. DIA ist still a good choice, despite all the scammers. And Tinder works well too.
Since I travel throughout the Philippines, I prefer to make dates with real Pinay online in the province. It's non professional, so you got to be open to no-show, no-play and no-fun. Anything can happen. But WHEN you get lucky. I had 2 virgin Pinay in those last to years. I was really not looking for that or aware. But it is a sweet experience!
*: irregular freelance; non-pro gals who lead a normal life, possibly with a job and / or a family, who enjoy a little excitement, extra cash, invitations to restaurants, bars, clubs and a hotel pool, good sex and a change from their routine.That's the long game. It's not news. You just need time to pull it off.
Another night went in with a mate. Bought a girl a LD. She also got a beer and spent about half an hour with me and my friend.
Insomnia bar. Entered 9 pm to a full house. Not a seat available anywhere. Rockin' place. Happy egress, will try another time.Not sure if clipping reports is allowed to get to the nub. However, a bar owner told me he had a big staff turnover as they get "bored doing nothing". But hanging around to be bonked by an OAP is not exactly back breaking. I put it down to smart phones and Candy Crush. Hotel owner told me they make good companions, do your housework and watch cartoons all day. They are better off latching on to a Korean, get him to pay for clothes, sick buffalo etc, then hang around with their friends and bonk the local basketball team when he is back in kim chee land.
I must say the Angeles Tourist Board are not too busy on this board.
Great report of so many bars. You must have had fun.
What you experienced in Hi Quality is probably 'the app' aka BAND app. Where they order the girls online first. It's not so much of a secret and 95% aren't exclusive girls they just get booked before their shift or never make it to their shift. Personally I find it odd as it's like being an online freelancer but the bar takes your cut and you can't get lady drinks. But it seems to be the way some of them go.I've known several girls who became so popular that the bar served no purpose and actually cost them money so they dropped out to become independent. However, this may not work for the van girls as 1/ Asian customers tend to prefer to be led in a group to various options rather than seek out their own fun and 2/ their main driver is to be seen by friends etc flashing the cash with the hottest girls, not having cuties quietly arrive at their room.
I must say, having a van of the hottest chicks arrive at my house would be an ego boost. 😄.
Enjoy. G.
Not sure if clipping reports is allowed to get to the nub. However, a bar owner told me he had a big staff turnover as they get "bored doing nothing"....Sort of makes sneak outs more and more attractive. The one negative was that she would be dog tired after banging multiple customers but this wouldn't be the case for girls glued to their phone doing the occasional zombie shuffle all night. 😜. Of course, these aren't likely to be the prettiest girls.
G.
A Traveler
10-09-23, 20:27
Thanks for the report West Coast. Yeah, the K bars aren't fun with girls just sitting around and not giving you any attention. But I've had good results from these bars. Bars like this are not for a fun night out, they are more like brothels. When I saw a girl I liked in one of these bars and she wasn't giving me any attention I told the mama who I liked. Once I got her out of the bar she was just a regular girl and was very affectionate with lots of kissing, cuddling and BBFS.
WestCoast1
10-09-23, 22:08
However, a bar owner told me he had a big staff turnover as they get "bored doing nothing". Was sitting at Envy's having a late breaky one morning. Two guys sitting to my left, and looking out at the street as I was. One said to the other, looking towards the street, at girls walking by: "Look there. Carrying those manila folders. Documents needed for work. Just in from the province and applying for work". A minute later two more gals walked by carrying the folders. In half an hour, about a dozen young gals walked by, same. One night sitting in a bar, several girls walked up to the door guard with such folders and asked for the manager. They keep coming.
The number of girls from Samar is interesting. One night I got a LD for a cutie. She was from Samar. I joked that all of her Samar cousins must be working in AC, and asked her if there were other Samar girls working in her bar. "Yes that one, that one, there is one, that one, that one with the long hair, and that one". Do you know them from Samar? "Not really. Just from here". Note to self: Visit Samar!
Great review West Coast this is really useful information for oldies and newbies alike. I'm planning to visit again in November and hope I can follow some of your footsteps, maybe missing out a few of the hasty exits! Thanks for taking the time to write this.Unfortunately, everything I just said, and what others have said, might change completely. Bar lineups can change wildly in just 30 minutes (or even just 5 minutes at the time of bar opening). I walk in at 2 pm when the bar opens and see 12 beauties and 8 fuglies on stage, and report it as so on ISG. Five minutes after I leave, some guy walks in and barfines 10 of the 12 beauties, leaving 2 YES and 8 NO girls on stage. Then Threadbare walks in. Threadbare reports here that this bar is full of fuglies, and Westy needs some new eyeglasses. At 10 pm shift change, a whole new batch of beauties hits the dance stage, and another gent walks in and reports the same bar has lots of YES girls.
Really good stuff. I saw enough YESes in there to know I'll have a good time when I'm there in December.While there were enough YES girls, there are plenty of fug / chubs. The percentage of fug / chubs continues to increase. I await your good reports.
TY gents for your kind words. More updates (bar processes) coming later.
I am wondering how the Halloween parties in the past have been. Also love to hear if you brought a few girls or more to the party.
The number of girls from Samar is interesting. One night I got a LD for a cutie. She was from Samar. I joked that all of her Samar cousins must be working in AC, and asked her if there were other Samar girls working in her bar. "Yes that one, that one, there is one, that one, that one with the long hair, and that one". Do you know them from Samar? "Not really. Just from here". Note to self: Visit Samar!
The original Midnight in Sabang once had a mama from Mindanao about 4' tall and 6' wide. However, she controlled enough gorgeous girls to fill three houses. All were tall, statuesque and buxom from Southern Mindanao. Like you said, most met for the first time in the bar.
No idea if she is still there.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
10-10-23, 23:59
Thanks for the report West Coast. Yeah, the K bars aren't fun with girls just sitting around and not giving you any attention. But I've had good results from these bars. Bars like this are not for a fun night out, they are more like brothels. Great point. Its the sharpest point difference between the perv-and-party bars of the old days, and the current K bars, is that K bars are not really a party atmosphere (unless someone is making it rain, which is momentary).
When I saw a girl I liked in one of these bars and she wasn't giving me any attention I told the mama who I liked. This is good advice. The mama can be your best friend. She knows who is on her mens, and who is white-phobic. Chatting her up first can save you a lot of LD headaches.
Sadly I will not be there but here is to you if you are there then. Take pics. I went to one of these four years ago for my 64th birthday and the emcee presented me with the bustiest Filipina I had been with in a while. Geez I wish I had stayed in contact with her but can only assume just another covid casualty.
Sadly I will not be there but here is to you if you are there then. Take pics. I went to one of these four years ago for my 64th birthday and the emcee presented me with the bustiest Filipina I had been with in a while. Geez I wish I had stayed in contact with her but can only assume just another covid casualty.I thought SBs had banned cameras??
Having some YouTube idiots stuffing videos in my face would be excuse enough for me to give a hard pass.
Rant off. G.
WestCoast1
10-12-23, 07:03
I thought SBs had banned cameras?I thought so also.
Here's one that didn't seem to mind a camera. Get in there fellas, find your scrawn.
Here are two short time options;.
Sailor Jack weather report; tourist traffic is way down, desperation girl texts are way up, the fishing is great right now.
Image; sext of the day.That's what I hear from my main squeeze at Dollhouse. Here she is in a captured pic from a local vlogger "looking for customers" so she told me.
FuriousGeorge
10-12-23, 08:04
WC speaks the truth. I have no idea what is going on here. Of the 20 times I've been in this bar, it was rarely busy, and I never saw one YES in the group. Very strange to restrict access to your mediocre bar.
WestCoast1
10-12-23, 10:52
I have no idea what is going on here. Of the 20 times I've been in this bar, it was rarely busy, and I never saw one YES in the group. Very strange to restrict access to your mediocre bar.Its a cheap gimmick go get you to agree to a high-priced drink before going in. Supposedly to see their superior girlie lineup? Koreans fall for this? Is this bad psychology to make you feel like a whale (for a minute)? No shock that they went out of biz for a few days. Wondering what the current customer and LD price list is, if it has changed.
WC speaks the truth.No fork-ed tongue in my family.
WestCoast1
10-12-23, 11:35
Sailor Jack weather report; tourist traffic is way down, desperation girl texts are way up, the fishing is great right now.
That's what I hear from my main squeeze at Dollhouse. Here she is in a captured pic from a local vlogger "looking for customers" so she told me.Concur that tourist traffic is down. See pics. All pics taken just around midnight. Pics 1 and 2 (taken near the Galaxy Hotel) just after midnight, early AM on a Saturday, looking west, and east (McDo). Pic 3 (Walk Around Hotel area, taken from the McDonald's end of the street) taken same time of day Wednesday, recently.
Friday and Saturday foot traffic jumped quite a bit, starting early at sundown about 6 pm, trailing off to a trickle by 11 pm. Strike early while the iron is hot. Sunday. Thursday foot traffic considerably lighter.
Sailor Jack
10-14-23, 05:16
Miss WolfPack 2023, see poster.
Sailor Jack has no additional info currently. These events are not world-changing but the girls often get really into it and that makes them fun.
Unrelated; Sailor Jack was in Lollipop earlier this week. There were 13 girls on the Lollipop stage and Sailor Jack realized that SJ had bom2 7 of them. But then, so has everyone else.
Sailor Jack thinks that the girls on stage looking out into the crowd of guys must have a similar thought.
Images; unrelated SJ archives.
LoveItHere
10-14-23, 09:03
Why don't freelancers hit SM Mall and similar locations? Is there some deal that it is off limits?1. The mall closes at 9:00 PM.
2. If the girls were to dress slutty or be hanging out front of the businesses, the businesses would quickly tell security to kick them out.
4. There is nowhere to sit so the girls at times would be taking up seats in the dining area and thus be kicked out.
5. No ST hotels nearby.
6. (most important) The girls do not want to be seen by friends, neighbors, normal job co-workers, or family.
1. The mall closes at 9:00 PM.
6. (most important) The girls do not want to be seen by friends, neighbors, normal job co-workers, or family.Behind it all, it is obviously well regulated, like how ladyboys are not allowed into Walking St by and large. Quite different from Pattaya and Malate where hookers go where they please (I get the short time hotel bit). It seems then the hookers are tolerated but only up to a point. I know there are red light areas in down town Angeles but they are more for the locals and only foreigners with a strong death wish.
The more entrepreneurial hookers, I guess, are off creaming it online. I like how in DIA, Pinalove, you get all these hookers who have globe trotted but they don't tell us how or why. Good luck to them making the best of their limited assets and thanks for shedding light on this issue.
Really, "I shall return" sems only worthwhile if I could hole up with a few nymphs somewhere or where malls stock hookers.
1. The mall closes at 9:00 PM.
2. If the girls were to dress slutty or be hanging out front of the businesses, the businesses would quickly tell security to kick them out.
4. There is nowhere to sit so the girls at times would be taking up seats in the dining area and thus be kicked out.
5. No ST hotels nearby.
6. (most important) The girls do not want to be seen by friends, neighbors, normal job co-workers, or family.I'm guessing that SM also don't want to deal with / get a reputation for complaints from civilian girls about constantly being hit upon by horny grandpa's.
Ayala Cebu is like this. Many girls avoid the place, sick of the constant stream of sexpats who assume that every girl is fair game.
Having said that, many staff in SM Clark are happy to meet after work for a coffee and perhaps more. Just play nicely.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
10-15-23, 00:41
Really, "I shall return" sems only worthwhile if I could hole up with a few nymphs somewhere or where malls stock hookers.AC has quite a supply of FL. However, SM Clark is not one of those places. Several times in the past few months I've spent time in AC. I visit the mall almost daily, and have not seen this year any geezers hitting up on PYT's who are looking for a date. You will notice when you are in SM Clark that it has become upscale; the customers are much better dressed than they were 5-ish years ago. The AC SW have not infiltrated the SM.
OTOH what Goferring said about mall staff willing to meet for coffee or a drink outside of work hours (and away from gogo bars) with possibilities is spot on.
I'm guessing that SM also don't want to deal with / get a reputation for complaints from civilian girls about constantly being hit upon by horny grandpa's.
Ayala Cebu is like this. Many girls avoid the place, sick of the constant stream of sexpats who assume that every girl is fair game.
Having said that, many staff in SM Clark are happy to meet after work for a coffee and perhaps more. Just play nicely.
Enjoy. G.Nothing funnier than scores of 70 year olds on viagra roaming the malls of Manila like it's 1985.
JohnDeoderp
10-15-23, 03:38
From a recent stint in sin city.
Fields FL. Sunday thru Thursday, small selection, full range from bakla to older / fugly (many) to young / cute (less of them). Friday sees a 50% increase of girls in the street. Saturday is 50% more than Friday, with oodles of lookers walking, from WS to Insomnia, and A Santos. Now on to the bar scene.Question on Angeles City, I didn't see you mention tipping here. Is Angeles City different compared to Manila? You only need to pay for the barfine?
Nothing funnier than scores of 70 year olds on viagra roaming the malls of Manila like it's 1985.There was a black Yank, probably still is, doing videos of "freelancers" everywhere. Very annoying toad, sticking his camera into everyone's face for clicks. The real ugly tourist. I think he has some scam on now teaching you how to be rich and wealthy like him, who cannot even groom himself properly. If you want a walk of shame, check out this ass in SM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX3gQ2P-CyA
Sailor Jack
10-15-23, 16:11
Sailor Jack attended ScoreBirds Pool Party yesterday. This event is held the third Sunday of each month with DollHouse. Entry fee is 500 p which includes an all you can eat buffet but not drinks. Beer was 100 p. A mango shake was 150 p. Hours are 2 pm-6 pm. The buffet food was average but plentiful and with a wide selection so you should be able to find something that you like.
There was a bikini beauty pageant with 17 contestants. The girls were good to excellent quality. I think that the girls were probably the best of the DollHouse line up. In between the bikini girls on stage there were entertaining and energetic dance troupes similar to or same as you would see at DollHouse. Your 500 p entry fee includes several strings of beads that are used as the 'votes' for your favorite bikini contestant.
Video and photography are strictly forbidden. I like this rule. There are too many little weasels around AC taking surreptitious video.
Overall, I would say that this is worth attending at least once.Sailor Jack attended the Scorebirds pool party Sunday 10/15/2023.
Here are the only updates / changes from Sailor Jack's post 10/16/2022.
There were 14 bikini girls competing. 6 from DullHouse, 6 from Atlantis, 2 from Lollipop.
The buffet started at 3 pm. The food is average at best.
It rained for about 30 minutes but most of the seating around the pool is covered.
All good seats were gone by 230 pm.
The music was too loud and the annoying announcer is even louder. Do not sit near a speaker.
You got the 14 girls in bikinis strutting on stage but across the pool and really too far away.
There were dance troupes from both Atlantis and DullHouse. It is the exact same dance routines that you would see at those venues. The dancers are energetic and athletic.
This is not a place to go look for girls to barfine. There were no other unaccompanied women to hit on. Bikini girls are tied up already, there are no other women circulating, and the dancers are all no thank you.
You might go here if you happened to be nearby and were bored, or maybe as an outing with a group of guys. But really, even in AC there are better things to do.
No smoking is enforced.
Images; SJ archives.
WestCoast1
10-16-23, 00:32
Question on Angeles City, I didn't see you mention tipping here. Is Angeles City different compared to Manila? You only need to pay for the barfine?A topic discussed previously, ad-nauseum. RTTF, or contact me in Private Message for details.
Sailor Jack attended the Scorebirds pool party Sunday 10/15/2023.Thanks for this report, Sailor Jack. As you said, something to do on a Sunday afternoon if you are bored. Too bad it wasn't more amenable to our hobby. Nice pics BTW.
NapaSlapper
10-16-23, 13:46
A few thoughts and findings over the last several bar hops in angeles.
The town is indeed dead for western visiting tourists, what very few old westerners that can be seen in the streets and bars at night are ex pats, as in live in angeles or nearby most if not all of the year.
Score birds pool party, shockingly bad food, older low quality girls that do not barfine, a shadow of the past parties of yesteryear, not worth the entrance fee IMHO.
Lollipop bar, great if one is in his 70's /80's and is happy with middle aged plumpers, younger guys can probably score better looking, slimmer girls for free in their own country, yes the ladies are a bit playful as in letting one have a quick grab of thigh or breast over an expensive lady drink, never seen a girl in this bar in multiple years that either me or my drinking buddies would barfine, not even close.
Geckos bar, about 10 girls on stage, basically looking bored, no smiles, no energy, one drink and was away.
XS bar, now here is a nice bar, good decor, cold aircon, polite management and wait staff, probably 50/60 girls on stage at various times either doing very good shows or parading in lines, probably 10 nice looking slim girls which are dressed nice, smell nice and are fun to drink with, most if not all girls give no attention to western customers, will happily give full attention and smiles to koreans, japanes, chinese punters, talk of westerners bar fining from here are fairy tales at best, a really enjoyable night drinking or watching shows can be had in this bar but only if with asians or asian.
Monsoon bar, had hit this bar several times, some times lots of attractive young slim girls, sometimes not so much so, again, the better looking girls here want asians to drink and fuck with.
Atlantis bar, where this bar in past years was the number one bar for many attractive girls and good shows its fallen down the list in being able to attract girls to dance here, about 30 girls in total, most cubby and plain, some old, about 3 or 4 girls worth buying a lady drink, of course these girls were already seated with korean punters.
In summing up, angeles city is a mainly korean town, they far outnumber the westerners and have the few pretty girls sitting drinking or on their arm heading home, westerners to get laid have to accept the girls the asians do not want IMHO.
In summing up, angeles city is a mainly korean town, they far outnumber the westerners and have the few pretty girls sitting drinking or on their arm heading home, westerners to get laid have to accept the girls the asians do not want IMHO.I cried reading your post, how our Paradise was laid low by those horny Koreans. Cheek of them bonking our hookers.
I put it down to 1. They flash the cash. 2. Some Koreans might be into hooker rescue and either bring them back to kim chi land or keep them in chicken adobo land with all the other ex go go gals who bonk their sweet hearts.
It is possible to compete with the Koreans. All you have to do is throw money around like a drunken sailor.
That is how civilisation strangles you, as this acocutn of Singapore's Bugis St shows https://biblioasia.nlb.gov.sg/vol-11/issue-3/oct-dec-2015/bugis/.
I cried reading your post, how our Paradise was laid low by those horny Koreans. Cheek of them bonking our hookers.
I put it down to 1. They flash the cash. 2. Some Koreans might be into hooker rescue and either bring them back to kim chi land or keep them in chicken adobo land with all the other ex go go gals who bonk their sweet hearts.
You hear allot of stories about the Koreans from girls here. Like 'my cousin has a Korean BF' and I'll ask how long she's been seeing him and she'll say 3 years. Then I ask the age and she says 'she's 17'. Koreans get away with many things here if there's money involved. Hard to trust the ID's here since any 15 year old girl can go get an ID saying she's 18. This isn't just a one off, have heard this type of story from many Filipinas. Was talking to a 37 year old waitress who has a 14 year old daughter who told her she wants a foreigner. And the daughter lives in the province. So it starts at an early age these girls looking for Foreigners.
The bars here do have a constant flow of girls, they come and they go. The tough earners can stick around for years. I ask a girl how long she's worked the bar and if she says 5 years I have to say no thanks. Way too professional. But you can't put up reports here saying this club was poor, this club was great when you walked in and downed a drink in ten minutes and left. I walked into Shooters last night to 20 girls crammed onstage waiting for my buddy who was trying to talk up a girl barker at a Korean bar (as he approached her she said don't bother me I'm busy). Would she have said that to Koreans?. Anyway before he stepped into Shooters 12 of those 20 ran offstage and upstairs to rest leaving 6 on the stage. We sat for a good time bullshitting having a few beers before those 12 girls came back down. Same with Lollipop, you walk in at 7 pm and there are 8 girls on the stage. Walk in at 8 pm and there are 30 girls. Now 22 girls didn't all walk into the bar at 7:30 to start work, they were all sitting around upstairs. You want to rate a club you have to sit for an hour.
Personally I just don't step foot in Korean run bars for the most part. Drinks are too much. Hard to pay 95 pesos at Lollipop and others then be told at a Korean bar its 150. Then you a slim chance of even taking a girl with you unless its the end of the month and the Koreans don't like her looks. The Koreans must also give their girls something in their lady drinks because they all come down with menstration after taking a sip.
FuriousGeorge
10-17-23, 09:35
Yep, nobody hot from Lollipop. Here's a couple off the top of my head from this year. Don't believe all that you hear. Come visit for yourself.
NapaSlapper
10-17-23, 11:07
Yep, nobody hot from Lollipop. Here's a couple off the top of my head from this year. Don't believe all that you hear. Come visit for yourself.Exactly proves my point.
Each to their own, if your happy then so be it, but please accept that most of my drinking buddies including me are not at all interested in what lollipop bar and most of the other western orientated bars have to offer.
Morale of the story, some set the bar low and some have high standards, be very boring if we all liked the same girls.
WestCoast1
10-17-23, 11:21
Yep, nobody hot from Lollipop. Here's a couple off the top of my head from this year. Don't believe all that you hear. Come visit for yourself.I confirm FG's talent level from each of my L bar visits on my last two trips the past few months (one trip recently). You can easily find 6-10 like this on stage. There are a few chubs up there also, and the % of chubs increases as the evening wears on, as it should in any gogo as the lookers BF first. Not sure what the naysayers are looking at.
NapaSlapper
10-17-23, 11:24
I cried reading your post, how our Paradise was laid low by those horny Koreans. Cheek of them bonking our hookers.
I put it down to 1. They flash the cash. 2. Some Koreans might be into hooker rescue and either bring them back to kim chi land or keep them in chicken adobo land with all the other ex go go gals who bonk their sweet hearts.
It is possible to compete with the Koreans. All you have to do is throw money around like a drunken sailor.
That is how civilisation strangles you, as this acocutn of Singapore's Bugis St shows https://biblioasia.nlb.gov.sg/vol-11/issue-3/oct-dec-2015/bugis/.Have over the years seen many a westerner try to out manouvre the asians with throwing money around, alas its not as simple as that.
Angeles bar girls have hundreds of high spending easy with their money asians to choose from, most girls choose the easy route of drinks only in the bar without fucking for a living, the few who do barfine and are slim, young and pretty always choose the asians, why because they are asian only girls.
As has been said by many, once the asians see a bar girl leave with a non asian she is toast in their eyes, asians like asian only girls, girls that dare to barfine with a westerner will be totally ignored for drinks or barfine in the future hence her mistake will cost her big time in the long run.
NapaSlapper
10-17-23, 11:26
I confirm FG's talent level from each of my L bar visits on my last two trips the past few months (one trip recently). You can easily find 6-10 like this on stage. There are a few chubs up there also, and the % of chubs increases as the evening wears on, as it should in any gogo as the lookers BF first. Not sure what the naysayers are looking at.The naysayers as you call them might just have a totally different taste in girls than the angeles city tourist board members here, simple really.
I confirm FG's talent level from each of my L bar visits on my last two trips the past few months (one trip recently). You can easily find 6-10 like this on stage. There are a few chubs up there also, and the % of chubs increases as the evening wears on, as it should in any gogo as the lookers BF first. Not sure what the naysayers are looking at.Yes. I can confirm there many others on any given night that are 7+ between 7 pm-10 pm. I am in bed by 10 pm with a 7+ so I can't comment after 10 pm.
the few who do barfine and are slim, young and pretty always choose the asians, why because they are asian only girls.
As has been said by many, once the asians see a bar girl leave with a non asian she is toast in their eyes, asians like asian only girls,Asians also select girls for totally different reasons to westerners.
Kim selects the prettiest girl to impress his friends, work mates or drinking buddies. He pays over the top amounts so that he appears wealthy to them. Should he actually bar fine her, there is no entertainment or performance expectations. He doesn't care that she can suck start a 747. Her job is done when his friends have been duly impressed at his ability to pull the hottest girl. It's not uncommon for her to be sent home after a 30 minute hit and run. Those that do stay longer, won't be kept up with endless fucking in the hotel room but will be on display bouncing between restaurants and bars.
John might be happy to splash the cash but he wants his pound of flesh in return. She will have to be able to hold a conversation in in English on topics she has no interest in and back at the room he will expect performance to match her salary, likely all night long.
No wonder girls choose the high pay, low effort option.
Enjoy. G.
FuriousGeorge
10-17-23, 17:53
Brother you're not going to do much better than that one on the right anywhere in the world. The face is as cute as that tiny bangin body. She often wanted to hang out during her off time, but alas, a man has to ramble on.
Exactly proves my point.
Each to their own, if your happy then so be it, but please accept that most of my drinking buddies including me are not at all interested in what lollipop bar and most of the other western orientated bars have to offer.
Morale of the story, some set the bar low and some have high standards, be very boring if we all liked the same girls.
Brother you're not going to do much better than that one on the right anywhere in the world. The face is as cute as that tiny bangin body. She often wanted to hang out during her off time, but alas, a man has to ramble on.You have to understand and have compassion for some NaySayers. Some like to just drink and not or can't perform therefore trash everything and set high standards for their reasons not to. FG a little compassion and mercy please.
I debated the matter about scoring until I finally understood.
Do it while you can. Monger on.
Asians also select girls for totally different reasons to westerners.
Kim selects the prettiest girl to impress his friends, work mates or drinking buddies. He pays over the top amounts so that he appears wealthy to them. Should he actually bar fine her, there is no entertainment or performance expectations. He doesn't care that she can suck start a 747. Her job is done when his friends have been duly impressed at his ability to pull the hottest girl. It's not uncommon for her to be sent home after a 30 minute hit and run. Those that do stay longer, won't be kept up with endless fucking in the hotel room but will be on display bouncing between restaurants and bars.
John might be happy to splash the cash but he wants his pound of flesh in return. She will have to be able to hold a conversation in in English on topics she has no interest in and back at the room he will expect performance to match her salary, likely all night long..I don't think you can categorize all Koreans or all Americans in that manner. Everyone is different. If you take 1000 Koreans or Americans, they are not going to act the same way. I don't think you can even say that most will act a certain way.
As for Koreans, I don't have any first hand knowledge but I don't think you do either. Now, if you are going to rely on the word of bargirls, keep in mind that they don't have a good reputation for honesty. They will tell you what you want to hear. If you are American, they love Americans. If you are Korean, they love Koreans.
We would all agree that bargirls lie but somehow we like to deceive ourselves and believe that they are telling us the truth when it is complimentary to us and insulting to other races.
NapaSlapper
10-17-23, 20:56
Asians also select girls for totally different reasons to westerners.
Kim selects the prettiest girl to impress his friends, work mates or drinking buddies. He pays over the top amounts so that he appears wealthy to them. Should he actually bar fine her, there is no entertainment or performance expectations. He doesn't care that she can suck start a 747. Her job is done when his friends have been duly impressed at his ability to pull the hottest girl. It's not uncommon for her to be sent home after a 30 minute hit and run. Those that do stay longer, won't be kept up with endless fucking in the hotel room but will be on display bouncing between restaurants and bars.
John might be happy to splash the cash but he wants his pound of flesh in return. She will have to be able to hold a conversation in in English on topics she has no interest in and back at the room he will expect performance to match her salary, likely all night long.
No wonder girls choose the high pay, low effort option.
Enjoy. G.Nail on the head, fully agree with all that you say, shame some other members cannot see what is truly happening with asians and the way thet do business.
I don't think you can categorize all Koreans or all Americans in that manner. Everyone is different. If you take 1000 Koreans or Americans, they are not going to act the same way. I don't think you can even say that most will act a certain way.
As for Koreans, I don't have any first hand knowledge but I don't think you do either. Now, if you are going to rely on the word of bargirls, keep in mind that they don't have a good reputation for honesty. They will tell you what you want to hear. If you are American, they love Americans. If you are Korean, they love Koreans.
We would all agree that bargirls lie but somehow we like to deceive ourselves and believe that they are telling us the truth when it is complimentary to us and insulting to other races.I'd agree that my comment was a generalisation as that was what the discussion was about. Are their Korean guys who can't get laid and Americans banging stunners? Of course. But they are either exceptions rather than the rule.
Bargirls do indeed tell us what we want to hear. However, my post was based on first hand experience and I don't know many guys who would disagree. You're welcome to do a bit more research to check if I have been around bargirls and Korean customers before.
Of course, "bargirls always tell us what we want to hear" is also a generalisation. Buddies and I were having the Westerner vs Korean discussion with a Sabang regular that I was totally kunt stuck with. She lamented the then Korean low season as her last Korean customer was into wierd shit but made up for it by being a great payer and having a dick much bigger than mine. Ouch 😳. True story.
Enjoy. G.
Of course, "bargirls always tell us what we want to hear" is also a generalisation. Buddies and I were having the Westerner vs Korean discussion with a Sabang regular that I was totally kunt stuck with. She lamented the then Korean low season as her last Korean customer was into wierd shit but made up for it by being a great payer and having a dick much bigger than mine. Ouch 😳. True story.
Enjoy. G.P.S. The same girl had me listed in her Contacts as Goferring Ugly. For those that don't know, that's an affectionate Visayan term for cute and handsome guys. Must be pretty common as a few girls have called me the same. So sweet. 😍.
Enjoy. G.
I don't think you can categorize all Koreans or all Americans in that manner. Everyone is different. If you take 1000 Koreans or Americans, they are not going to act the same way. I don't think you can even say that most will act a certain way.
As for Koreans, I don't have any first hand knowledge but I don't think you do either. Now, if you are going to rely on the word of bargirls, keep in mind that they don't have a good reputation for honesty. They will tell you what you want to hear. If you are American, they love Americans. If you are Korean, they love Koreans.
We would all agree that bargirls lie but somehow we like to deceive ourselves and believe that they are telling us the truth when it is complimentary to us and insulting to other races.From someone who does have first hand experience of Korea and Koreans (check my post history), I say G is fairly spot on.
Unfortunately you can't outspend the K-boys. Outspending one or two of them is easy, the problem is the other 500 that will arrive in AC that day, and the other 500 that will arrive the day after and so on. Their advantage is in their numbers (over half of the country's 18 million adult males are active mongerers), and they don't monger alone. Korea is only a 3. 5 hr flight from PH at a cost of 100-300 USD. You just can't beat those circumstances no matter how hard you try.
The really sad thing is they're now starting to show up in numbers on Soi 6 Pattaya, so I suggest people go and enjoy its final few years before it too gets converted into a replica of angeles walking street through K-influence. Because it definitely will.
Exactly proves my point.How does the picture "exactly" prove your point when the face is blurred?
LOL!
Now, if you are going to rely on the word of bargirls, keep in mind that they don't have a good reputation for honesty. They will tell you what you want to hear. If you are American, they love Americans. If you are Korean, they love Koreans.During the past 20+ years of talking to multiple girls (in Thailand and Cambodia mainly, some in the Philippines) and listening between the lines, the favorite group (by the numbers) are the Japanese (I am not Japanese).
Although, now, the Chinese might become the group that is preferred. IMO, it already started in Cambodia. I hear of crazy tips given by the Chinese.
During the past 20+ years of talking to multiple girls (in Thailand and Cambodia mainly, some in the Philippines) and listening between the lines, the favorite group (by the numbers) are the Japanese (I am not Japanese).
Although, now, the Chinese might become the group that is preferred. IMO, it already started in Cambodia. I hear of crazy tips given by the Chinese.The Chinese would probably out do even the Korean when it comes to segregation and control. I'm not only talking about the attitudes towards girls trained by westerners but also the mechanisms put in place to retain punters' time and money. It's very rare to see a couple of Chinese aimlessly wandering around town and checking out various places. All-in tour packages are prepaid before departure. Busses transport the groups from Chinese controlled attraction to attraction. They eat enmass at commission paying restaurants and have fun at Chinese run establishments. Even the girls, with high upfront fees, are lumbered with expenses and fines that stay in house.
While the punters may spend a lot, very little remains in the destination establishments. It all filters back to the mainland.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
10-18-23, 01:35
Exactly proves my point.
Each to their own, if your happy then so be it, but please accept that most of my drinking buddies including me are not at all interested in what lollipop bar and most of the other western orientated bars have to offer.
Morale of the story, some set the bar low and some have high standards, be very boring if we all liked the same girls.
The naysayers as you call them might just have a totally different taste in girls than the angeles city tourist board members here, simple really.Curious. What high standard are you talking about?
Also you drew a distinction between the K and western bars, saying you are not interested in what the western bars offer. The lineups at K bars are not necessarily better in terms of looks than western bars. Look at how Las Vegas has stumbled. The lineup in Lollipop is better than LV. Can you name a specific bar where you think the lineup is tops? We'd like to compare.
Do the girls in the pics posted not measure up to your (K) standard? If you can't describe it in detail (the standard), show us a picture. You have consistently droned on about a standard that possibly does not exist. I see an entire range in most bars, K or western.
LoveItHere
10-18-23, 04:17
7 years ago I had a Korean guy I bar hopped a few times with. We went to 3-4 bars per night, Then 5-7 months later he would visit again for 3-4 days and we might barhop to 3-4 bars for 1 or 2 nights. We did this on 4 of his visits. He said he owned a construction company and he came to Angels with clients. I know nothing about Korean taxes or laws. But the impression I had was he could write these visits off as businesses expenses. Somehow hide or not need to hide the girl rental aspect of the visit. I do not think any of the Western countries can do this. If Koreans can do this legally and tax wise then game over. None of us can outspend Samsung's, KIA's, or LG's company credit cards. FYI My cousin (USA) was a pharmaceutical sales rep 20+ years ago and at that time he had a company credit card to buy breakfasts, lunches, dinners, balloons, fruit baskets, whatever on the doctors, nurses, and receptionists. He would get in trouble if he did not spend that money of $20,000+. If the Koreans have anything similar, then that is near impossible to compete with.
Koreans in general will have some of the hottest girls. But you will never see them. Hot Girl-1 will stay with Korean Guy-1 for a few days and will go to his hotel, her apartment to get change of clothes, and her bar only to get her paycheck. Korean Guy-2 will have a reservation with the mamasan to get Hot Girl-1 once Korean Guy-1 leaves town. If the Korean is a regular client or knows the management, the girl will deliver herself to the Korean's hotel. The hottest girls at the Korean bars are hardly ever inside the bar itself. Your best chance of seeing them is with a Korean at the mall, restaurant, etc. I noticed the girls' "I only go with Koreans" crap 7 years ago. Hate it all you want but you can not deny it. What businesses have taken over Fields Avenue and the surrounding area? Korean bars, food, music can be found more and more very year. I have not been there in 5 years. In January 2024 when I come, I give myself 3 weeks before I get pissed off (Korean only girls, drink sluts, fuglies, menstruation, cherry girls) and go to other areas. While many years before I once believed I would retire in Angeles.
11+ years ago my regular girl's sister worked at the Japanese bar (Agaysa?) near to Body Shop. The Japanese loved her. One of those fools bought her an Apple phone about every 3 weeks. She pawned them a few days later for half the money. My guess is the Koreans are doing the same thing to impress their buddies, co-workers, or clients. You can not compete against stupidity.
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