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JasonBen84
11-30-23, 09:55
Hey Peeps, Just curious if the visit during the week before Christmas and / or New Year will be eventful in Angeles city? Knowing they are pro Christians wondering if there will be bars, girls and pubs open and happening on these days?
Thanks and Cheers.
There have been disagreements on the Board in years past regarding whether you should tip an AC girl or not.
An interesting argument for the pro-tip crowd was: If you don't tip the girl, she will remember you and report you as a cheap-charlie in her bar, thus limiting your access later.That might only matter with the girls who are popular, the girls who can be barfined every single day. One also has to take into account that the girl might exaggerate the tip amounts in order to elicit higher tips from the current customer. I always tip (since 2004 when it really wasn't necessary; I have a weak spot for girls that suck my penis). I have a regular that can be barfined every single night. When she is informed that I will be barfining her later in the night, she will decline barfine offers from other customers (but she will accept lady drinks).
The opposite argument was also made by some gents: "I never tip, and never had any trouble getting the same hottie to re-barfine with me, nor her workmates".I would guess that is correct for most girls who are barfined 3 or less times per week. I am guessing that applies to more than half the girls in Angeles.
I always tipped the then-current girlie tryke amount home of: Fifty pesos.Only 50 pesos? That will not pay for her trike. I believe the minimum the trike drivers will accept in the Angeles area is 100 pesos (maybe 80).
One thing that everyone here will agree is that the trike mafia drivers are rip-off MFers. Those MFers will rip off everyone, including the locals. I was told the locals pay the same. I could see them overcharging the girls, but they will also overcharge / rip-off the poorly paid hotel clerks.
Use Grab (car). Prices are similar compared to the prices from the trike mafia. I've been paying my regular girl's ride home on Grab. It cost around 145 pesos. Those trike drivers will charge her 150.
One thing that everyone here will agree is that the trike mafia drivers are rip-off MFers. Those MFers will rip off everyone, including the locals. I was told the locals pay the same. I could see them overcharging the girls, but they will also overcharge / rip-off the poorly paid hotel clerks.I don't agree but then I talk to them. I argue down and then give the saved amount and sometimes more in a tip. I think it funny guys think nothing of giving an overpriced starfish hooker a lavish tip and bergudge a trike driver, most of whom are not so young, something. Same goes for chick out chicks and others making an hones living. Hookers know the local rates and pay them.
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I don't agree but then I talk to them. I argue down and then give the saved amount and sometimes more in a tip. I think it funny guys think nothing of giving an overpriced starfish hooker a lavish tip and bergudge a trike driver, most of whom are not so young, something. Same goes for chick out chicks and others making an hones living. Hookers know the local rates and pay them.Ya. You're right. I did slander them.
You probably can negotiate down to the normal overpriced rate if they initially tried to gouge you. But I doubt you can negotiate anything close to the normal rate that people pay outside of Angeles. The trike drivers overcharge everyone. The Angeles trike drivers charge more than the Grab cars.
If the trike drivers would only understand the AT&T example. IMO, if they would charge half the price, they would increase there business by 3 or 4 times, or more. They would make more money.
I don't like to overpay the trike drivers because they don't suck my penis. LOL!
WestCoast1
11-30-23, 15:47
Only 50 pesos? That will not pay for her trike. I believe the minimum the trike drivers will accept in the Angeles area is 100 pesos (maybe 80).Yes p50. That was pre-covid and I should have mentioned that. Not that it makes much difference, as the standard tryke ride was p100 at that time also. However locals paid (at the time) less. Besides one-off gogo girls, I ended up 'going around' or dating mamas, and shop girls. More than once as we approached a tryke, the girl would say to me something like: "Don't talk to the driver. I will do it". As the driver dropped us at our destination, when he would normally charge me alone p100 (the going rate), the girl would hand him p60 (or other, less than 100). Drivers rarely balked, but had I been on my own they would have insisted on 100. That was then. Several gogo girls told me that they had a driver on-call whom they paid a weekly rate to so that they didn't have to shell out each time. Ah, the good-old / bad-old days.
I mentioned the low tip for a different reason: Never did a gogo girl not go with me a second time. Nor did any of their bar-mates balk at going with me. Had I given them nothing, I imagine that nothing would have changed in this respect. Had I given them p500, I imagine that nothing would have changed in this respect.
I don't like to overpay the trike drivers because they don't suck my penis. LOL!No need to suck their dicks unless you like to stand in line. I ask local women what are the rates. I have never seen hookers argue with trike drivers as both know the rate. I have seen the blind massage therapists troop in for their trike home. All flat rates.
As for all the 101 economics, drop the price and business goes up. Rates are more or less fixed and foreigners unhappy with it should walk. We are talking about a trike ride, buttons, not Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal.
Hey Peeps, Just curious if the visit during the week before Christmas and / or New Year will be eventful in Angeles city? Knowing they are pro Christians wondering if there will be bars, girls and pubs open and happening on these days?
Thanks and Cheers.The week between Christmas and NY ranks second behind Holy Week as the worst time to monger in the Philippines. There will still be girls in town but numbers will be down. Generally speaking, it's the hotties who have the cash to afford the fare back home so those remaining can be very average.
Oh, and to top it off, the weather can suck at that time too.
Sorry to rain in your parade. G.
FuriousGeorge
12-01-23, 00:12
I was there last year during that week, and yes it was slower, but still plenty of girls, And the NYE party at Aqua was pretty epic. But. I was there for a few weeks so I didn't mind the slower week. I'll be there again this year. But if that's the only week you have, maybe skip. I will say the weather last year was fantastic, for me at least. Overcast almost every day but barely rained in weeks. I like to walk around and I wasn't getting destroyed by the beating sun and sweating my ass off constantly.
The week between Christmas and NY ranks second behind Holy Week as the worst time to monger in the Philippines. There will still be girls in town but numbers will be down. Generally speaking, it's the hotties who have the cash to afford the fare back home so those remaining can be very average.
Oh, and to top it off, the weather can suck at that time too.
Sorry to rain in your parade. G.
locals paid (at the time) less.I guess I need to educate my regulars.
Are they ignorant, not wanting to negotiate, or exaggerating the cost in the hopes I give them a larger tip.
Pussycat123
12-01-23, 07:03
Hey Peeps, Just curious if the visit during the week before Christmas and / or New Year will be eventful in Angeles city? Knowing they are pro Christians wondering if there will be bars, girls and pubs open and happening on these days?
Thanks and Cheers.I was in AC last Christmas and it was quiet on Christmas eve and Christmas day but there were still girls begging to be barfined. (They were missing out on Christmas so at least they wanted to make some money). If you arrive Christmas Eve I suggest you grab the first barfinable girl and get her to agree to LT as it might be quiet by midnight.
Towards New Years eve it picked up and new years eve itself was cool with parties in the bars and hotels.
Dont know where you are based but flights from the US are hellish expensive at that time...around $3k US. But fuck it, you only live once.
WestCoast1
12-01-23, 07:35
I guess I need to educate my regulars.
Are they ignorant, not wanting to negotiate, or exaggerating the cost in the hopes I give them a larger tip.GB my examples were before covid and spread over some years. I have been in AC several times since covid, but I am unfamiliar with what locals are paying now; might be the same as me, p100.
GB my examples were before covid and spread over some years. I have been in AC several times since covid, but I am unfamiliar with what locals are paying now; might be the same as me, p100.I meant the Fields Ave trike mafia. Even many years ago, I was told they charge the locals the same as the foreigners.
I never verified what I was told. I never hung out at Kokomos and Envy, and watch the trike drivers. I walk by them a lot, and it seems they are always waiting for a tourist; hardly ever working.
I wrote Angeles; Angeles is a large city. Outside of Fields Ave, you should be able to get the local price, but of course as a tourist, you have to agree on the price beforehand.
Handsome Americans. This is rare to be honest but still reigns supreme. Talking Chris Hemsworth level. This is and will probably remain working girls dream for the unforeseeable future. These guys usually stay in the bars in BGC and head straight to Amanpulo in Cuyo, Palawan and never set foot into your normal "mongering venue". They just don't need to.
Chris is an Aussie!
WestCoast1
12-01-23, 13:46
Lets go for a walk down Dona Carmen St. The pics are in order, with the terminal on the left. It goes on and on for blocks, hundreds of trykes.
Member #4794
12-01-23, 16:37
Chris is an Aussie!There is only one thing a white person can be in the philippines. Google "Satire".
WestCoast1
12-01-23, 16:56
There is only one thing a white person can be in the philippines.Would that be a 'cano'?
JasonBen84
12-02-23, 05:44
Thanks to you and Goffering for the comments. Looks like may have to fallback to Bangkok / Pattaya.
Due to flights from Singapore, I've always spent time in AC only. Now coming from Sydney, How about Manila? Would it be same over Christmas week or week before Christmas? Also, Makati / quezon city would have same vibes as AC with Gogo where we can pickup girls!? Thanks again! Happy Mongering!
I was in AC last Christmas and it was quiet on Christmas eve and Christmas day but there were still girls begging to be barfined. (They were missing out on Christmas so at least they wanted to make some money). If you arrive Christmas Eve I suggest you grab the first barfinable girl and get her to agree to LT as it might be quiet by midnight.
Towards New Years eve it picked up and new years eve itself was cool with parties in the bars and hotels.
Dont know where you are based but flights from the US are hellish expensive at that time...around $3k US. But fuck it, you only live once.
WestCoast1
12-03-23, 02:00
A few bar shots from a decade or more ago. There's clearly more chub today, but even back then it was present. Some folks took one for the team (so I've heard).
A few bar shots from a decade or more ago. There's clearly more chub today, but even back then it was present. Some folks took one for the team (so I've heard).As the famous line goes "I have fucked a few fat girls in my day but I never foricated with anyone. ".
A few bar shots from a decade or more ago. There's clearly more chub today, but even back then it was present. Some folks took one for the team (so I've heard).Had a little chub last week. Yummy V lips meaty inside. No problem with a chub once in a while.
WestCoast1
12-03-23, 12:01
Some folks took one for the team (so I've heard).
As the famous line goes "I have fucked a few fat girls in my day but I never foricated with anyone. "."I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" -- A certain former US President.
"Fat-bottomed girls, you make the rockin' world go round" -- Written by B May, sung by a certain former Queen.
New Mexican place next to the Viking gogo bar on Walking Street (was an Indian restaurant) has unlimited Margaritas for 399 (499 for frozen). They put a bar out front which makes for some great people watching. There food was pretty good, had some tacos. But the margaritas were very very tasty. Lots of hot ladies walking up and down the street going into work.
NapaSlapper
12-08-23, 02:54
What's happening in the bars over the last few barhops and some thoughts.
Xs bar, as has been reported by myself and others this bar is the shining star amongst all the walking st bars, always a good friendly welcome from management,1st drink on the house and an effort to give good seats, very professional dance shows, some nice looking, slim, younger girls both in the shows and seated with punters, its customer base is mainly Asians, Koreans, Japanese and some Chinese, very few westerners if at all, many girls in the dance shows do not barfine, many girls only with Asians, as said, a good professionally run bar, nice air con, great shows, and the better looking girls mostly work here.
Hi quality bar, again mainly Asian punters,20 odd girls,2 cuties,1 drink and left.
Q bar, about 30 girls, some cuties, some not so, most who had the looks already seated with punters (asians) always worth the 1 drink and a look, again welcoming manager and staff, ok bar.
Avalon bar, its hit and miss here, some nights some lookers, some night full of fatties, last 2 visits were good choice of girls,2 visits before nothing.
Arabesque bar, gold bar, Atlantis bar, these bars are again mostly Asian punters, again hit or miss, always pop our heads in for the 1 drink, sometimes good results, sometimes disappointment, good shows in Atlantis bar and a very cute pole acrobat.
On to the more western oriented bars mainly frequented by older expat punters.
Geckos bar,12 girls in, some looking bored and playing on their phones, no lookers.
La bamba bar, no punters in on our visit,10 odd girls, mainly fatties, oldies, 1 new girl, about 25 years old, fairly slim, ok looking, friend barfined her, she was an early runner after promising so much in the bar, he did manage the 1 pop and a half hearted blow job, cost,4000 pesos and a lady drink.
Lollipop bar, a popular bar for the older crowd of expats, girls can be fun here and give a flash of breast over a lady drink, good management and friendly staff, the problem I and many friends have with this bar is the amount of fatties, oldies and plain girls here, some claim they find 8. 5 great lookers here, I say yes maybe 8. 5 if one is marking out of a possible 100,worth a beer or two if one is not at all fussy but likes girls that are willing to have fun in the bar and barfine with westerners.
Lucifer bar, masquarades bar, vikings bar, popped our heads in but nkt worth staying for a beer.
In summing up, Angeles during the week is very quiet, mainly Koreans and few western older expats, weekend sees a fairly large increase in visiting Koreans, they are mainly here just for the weekend, have money to burn and are enjoying themselves.
The bars of walking st Angeles are split into two camps, the few western oriented bars and the many Korean oriented bars, the better looking, slim, ok looking girls are definitely working in the Korean bars and are mainly, dancers, drinks only girls or Asian only girls, westerners are mainly ignored by the better looking girls in the Korean oriented bars.
Not all is lost for mr westerner, hit the few western oriented bars and fun can be had, don't expect youth and good looks but most girls are willing to barfine with westerners in these bars, it is what it is unfortunately.
The town remains much quieter than I have seen in the past, many of the top girls that have earned well have already left for their home province for Christmas and new year, nothing new, happens most years around the holidays.
What's happening in the bars over the last few barhops and some thoughts.
Xs bar, as has been reported by myself and others this bar is the shining star amongst all the walking st bars, always a good friendly welcome from management,1st drink on the house and an effort to give good seats, very professional dance shows, some nice looking, slim, younger girls both in the shows and seated with punters, its customer base is mainly Asians, Koreans, Japanese and some Chinese, very few westerners if at all, many girls in the dance shows do not barfine, many girls only with Asians, as said, a good professionally run bar, nice air con, great shows, and the better looking girls mostly work here.
Hi quality bar, again mainly Asian punters,20 odd girls,2 cuties,1 drink and left.
Q bar, about 30 girls, some cuties, some not so, most who had the looks already seated with punters (asians) always worth the 1 drink and a look, again welcoming manager and staff, ok bar..What about Angel Witch? It opens at 6 AM methinks for the morning woodies. Cheers.
As 2023 comes to a close many thanks to those who have posted credible information and Non Serviceable advice.
I would like to ask for nominations (with mod approval) for 2023 AC Save A Monger award.
2023 AC SAM award.
What about Angel Witch? It opens at 6 AM methinks for the morning woodies. Cheers.Read my comments on angel witch in my original trip report. Every girl that night was a 1, and that's no joke.
Q bar, about 30 girls, some cuties, some not so, most who had the looks already seated with punters (asians) always worth the 1 drink and a look, again welcoming manager and staff, ok bar.I've seen you stopped calling the Q Bar a "Korean bar". Anyone who called the Q Bar a Korean bar has never step foot inside that bar.
30 girls? Geez. Last month, I looked in there around 3 pm; 4 girls dancing. I stopped by around 9 pm; maybe around 6 girls dancing. But there are girls in the back; so double that number, and maybe a few on the floor.
There might be 30 girls in total, maybe during the shift change, if you include the waitresses (I haven't checked at that time, but I doubt it). Saying there are 30 girls is definitely giving a false impression. You NEED to stop listening to that poster in the other forum who is giving you wrong information on the Q Bar!
Also, that bar seems to usually be on the empty side. And I don't ever remember Asians outnumbering the Westerners. But that could change depending on the time; I don't hang out there.
Gents, I'll be visiting for the first time in mid-March. How do you all tend to pass time during the day? Doesn't look like there's a whole lot to do in the area.
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Member #4794
12-10-23, 00:42
My guess is he's been a few times, got rejected and wants to blame it on other factors other than the girls just didn't like him.Sounds like that guy is into watching and observing the guys more than the girls kind of suspect. I have been in 1000's of bars and if you ask me to recall what kind of punters were in these bars tbh I couldn't tell you with any degree of certainty as I do not waste any of my time observing the guys in the bars. Talk about a waste of time and also creepy. PLEASE if you happen to be in a bar and I'm taking to the newbies PLEASE don't stare at other customers like some of these guys do, for one its rude and another its REAL REAL creepy. We have to deal with constant surveillance outside the bars with the youtube vloggers and then being stalked in the bars by NapaSlapper and friends is too much. Can we all just agree to mind our own business in the bars? Focus on the girls.
WestCoast1
12-10-23, 00:53
NS: "Xs bar, as has been reported by myself and others this bar is the shining star amongst all the walking st bars, always a good friendly welcome from management,1st drink on the house and an effort to give good seats, very professional dance shows, some nice looking, slim, younger girls both in the shows and seated with punters, its customer base is mainly Asians, Koreans, Japanese and some Chinese, very few westerners if at all, many girls in the dance shows do not barfine, many girls only with Asians, as said, a good professionally run bar, nice air con, great shows, and the better looking girls mostly work here. ".
The boldfaced part, about not barfining. He can't possibly know that. The only way to know that is to chat up the girls, which he doesn't do. NS what makes you think the dance show gals don't barfine?
You know he's fake posting right? Whereas somethings he says might be true based on a guess / previous story etc. He's not giving live reports. I pointed it out a while ago when he wrote something that was completely untrue and people in AC at the time would read it and know it was nonsense. My guess is he's been a few times, got rejected and wants to blame it on other factors other than the girls just didn't like him.Where does he get his info?
There might be 30 girls in total, maybe during the shift change, if you include the waitresses (I haven't checked at that time, but I doubt it). Saying there are 30 girls is definitely giving a false impression. You NEED to stop listening to that poster in the other forum who is giving you wrong information on the Q Bar!What other forum?
You know he's fake posting right?I know he's giving incorrect information.
What other forum?OK. That is speculation. He writes some things that are correct, some that are exaggerations. Assuming he reads other boards / facebook groups.
I'm just correcting his mistakes because of his insulting, obnoxious write-ups and PMs to me (I have to be careful and not "call out any member" because Admin will ding me). His first PM's title to me 7 years ago was "hard on".
If he only would have accepted the generous offer of free beers by some members of this board, then I would have shut up and never doubted NS ever again. If that happens, I will never correct any of his post. Nothing to talk about? Geez! Those board members would love to hear the "words of wisdom" from the self-proclaimed Angeles expert.
Gents, I'll be visiting for the first time in mid-March. How do you all tend to pass time during the day? Doesn't look like there's a whole lot to do in the area.I play poker.
Many of the Koreans play golf.
I see people drinking during the day (way too early for me).
There's some tours. If I can recall correctly, most of them didn't sound too exciting. There is the Mt Pinatubo tour, but that is a long, long day (maybe 14 hours).
Yup, there isn't much to do.
Oh, if you are there on Good Friday (March 29), there is that spectacle in San Fernando (and maybe a smaller one in Angeles) where people will bloody themselves with metal chains and get nailed to the cross.
Pussycat123
12-10-23, 09:54
Gents, I'll be visiting for the first time in mid-March. How do you all tend to pass time during the day? Doesn't look like there's a whole lot to do in the area.Apart from bars there is very little to do in Angeles. As far as bars, I suggest you head over to the Perimeter road area, there is some pretty good daytime action. (The cluster of bars near to the new Margarita Station.) Even a couple of new bars there apparently.
WestCoast1
12-10-23, 12:26
Throwback. The good ole days. Enjoy.
Gents, I'll be visiting for the first time in mid-March. How do you all tend to pass time during the day? Doesn't look like there's a whole lot to do in the area.There's karts, water park, shooting ranges, casinos things like that. Nothing amazing but find a girl and ask her to go with you, they'll usually be happy for the day out.
Locamotive
12-10-23, 21:09
A few bar shots from a decade or more ago. There's clearly more chub today, but even back then it was present. Some folks took one for the team (so I've heard).Too much Jollibee I'm guessing.
A Traveler
12-10-23, 21:54
I only come here for the entertainment of the drama, since there so little useful information posted here. Folks pile on and call our resident expert out, then he lies low for weeks until somebody posts something interesting. Then he resurfaces to throw cold water on the interesting post and the cycle repeats. He's probably actually living in his mom's basement.
There's karts, water park, shooting ranges, casinos things like that. Nothing amazing but find a girl and ask her to go with you, they'll usually be happy for the day out.Thanks for the suggestions. I'd actually love to adventure out to some smaller villages at least once since this is my first time in Asia and I think it would be a cool experience. Any recommendations for day trip destinations?
Gents, I'll be visiting for the first time in mid-March. How do you all tend to pass time during the day? Doesn't look like there's a whole lot to do in the area.I've spent many trips and many years in AC so I've developed bad habits there. Simply because there is not much to do. I'm not a golfer but may someday pick it up (again). Almost did yrs ago but decided not to as I went to sign up for lessons and stood behind a long line of Koreans also waiting. That and the fact I stood in the hot sun and humidity roasting away and thinking there is no relief from this for the next 4 hours.
I've decided being in a cool pool is better option but after a few days of that and it gets boring too (unless I was getting a BJ with a girl underwater—haha- not happening).
As my routines are mostly night time activities, and I stay up very late most nights, I pass my daytime mostly sleeping.
I've spent many trips and many years in AC so I've developed bad habits there. Simply because there is not much to do. I'm not a golfer but may someday pick it up (again). Almost did yrs ago but decided not to as I went to sign up for lessons and stood behind a long line of Koreans also waiting. That and the fact I stood in the hot sun and humidity roasting away and thinking there is no relief from this for the next 4 hours.
I've decided being in a cool pool is better option but after a few days of that and it gets boring too (unless I was getting a BJ with a girl underwaterhaha- not happening).
As my routines are mostly night time activities, and I stay up very late most nights, I pass my daytime mostly sleeping.Just for the record, I have not been back to AC since the Covid restrictions so it's been a few years. And even pre-covid, I had noticed many changes that started to restrict even my night time actions but was still enough to keep me up most nights. But many of those night time actions are gone now.
1) many of the Western bars became Korean operated and were mainly converted to daytime bars as they started closing early when the sun went down.
2) High Society disco was closing down and this previously was a good 11 pm- 4 am pick up joint for FL.
3) Tons of young "massage" girls were always lined up and willing and eager from Walking St all the way to jeepney station. Not as active now from what my friends told me.
4) the local karaoke bars that use to line the side streets of Walking St were also good hunting grounds but that area was also dying out.
I meant the Fields Ave trike mafia. Even many years ago, I was told they charge the locals the same as the foreigners.
I never verified what I was told. I never hung out at Kokomos and Envy, and watch the trike drivers. I walk by them a lot, and it seems they are always waiting for a tourist; hardly ever working.
I wrote Angeles; Angeles is a large city. Outside of Fields Ave, you should be able to get the local price, but of course as a tourist, you have to agree on the price beforehand.Most trike mafia charge cheaper for locals because the locals can't afford the foreigner prices (unless that local is with a punter). But many simply don't take a local for lower fare because they are willing to wait it out for a sucker foreigner. But if the trike driver is desperate enough, they will take a local.
Most trike mafia charge cheaper for locals because the locals can't afford the foreigner prices (unless that local is with a punter). But many simply don't take a local for lower fare because they are willing to wait it out for a sucker foreigner. But if the trike driver is desperate enough, they will take a local.Well I can tell you that if a Filipina grabs a trike and the guy quotes her 100 pesos to come to your place and then he see's a foreigner waiting outside he'll tell you its 150 pesos. The excuses of why it was higher is he had to drive around a traffic circle. All of the girls I repeat with who use trikes I'll show them how to use the GRAB app, you can order a trike for their long ride home for 110 pesos where the trike on the corner will tell them 200. Its supply and demand. There are thousands of trikes who bribe their way into getting their license. Some will sit for hours waiting for one trike. Then have to wait near that destination for hours to find another. Many of the locals living here have gone the Ebike route after being gouged by the trike prices. Month after month of spending 3000 pesos on trikes quickly adds up to a $40 k ebike trike.
A warning. If your on WS and want a trike go to the trike lineup at Kokomos, the guys waiting at that triangle spot under the Walking Street sign are mostly rip off guys (its always the same guys sitting there). And its always best to say something like 'Red Plantet Hotel 100 pesos' and get a nod or a yes from the guy, confirm the price before you get in. He gives you a high price feel free to walk to the next trike driver and ask how much he will charge (you might have to do it several times or walk to another area).
The photo below is a streetview grab from google, its the first street across the highway from WS. There are easily 70 trikes waiting in line down that road. They hope the locals that take the Jeepnees will get off when they turn north and hop in a trike. Many though will skip the trike and walk through WS and onto the next jeepnee terminal.
Perimeter road report. Two new bars opened next to Candy bar. They took over the steel man bar. Enterprise and Playtyme. Enterprise has a nice lineup but their drink prices are way too high for the area, owner spent too much money on the inside and if he can't keep the girls then high drink prices won't help him in the long run. Also heard another bar or two are in the works further down the street near Legends.
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Pussycat123
12-12-23, 08:55
Thanks for the suggestions. I'd actually love to adventure out to some smaller villages at least once since this is my first time in Asia and I think it would be a cool experience. Any recommendations for day trip destinations?You might have to travel some way from AC to get the real 'Province' experience. If you want to see village life maybe fly from Clark down to Samar or somewhere like that.
Member #4794
12-12-23, 13:23
You might have to travel some way from AC to get the real 'Province' experience. If you want to see village life maybe fly from Clark down to Samar or somewhere like that.This is not true, Porac is all the way provence and clark has Aeta, Aeta I can assure have no running water nor power in some of their encampments they live behind the "Dinosaurs Island" in clark.
The Abacan river right below AC has a massive slum / squatter encampment that stretches for miles. In and around anunas is a proper shithole riddled with dirt roads and maze like infrastructure.
Pangasinan just a few hours north of AC is a proper desolate "nowhere" provence and is home to the hundred islands which is from a purely tourist perspective amazing, I would argue that the hundred islands is probably the Philippines most underrated tourist attraction in the country & if you are looking for ancient civilization vibes Banaue is probably the most remote and ancient feeling valley you could imagine with it being a UNESCO World Heritage Site, it is NOT easy to get there but if you are into world heritage its a proper adventure.
Medellin65
12-12-23, 20:01
I don't understand why regular visitors to Angeles City still insist on getting around the city on trikes, when renting a motorbike or scooter is far more practical and economical than using a trike 4 or 5 times a day. I always rent 2 wheels and I am free to move how and where I want, even up to Subic or San Fernando with a cost of 400/500 php per day and in complete freedom. Why make your life difficult by dealing with trike drivers or looking for a free one where we are?
WestCoast1
12-13-23, 03:52
I don't understand why regular visitors to Angeles City still insist on getting around the city on trikes, when renting a motorbike or scooter is far more practical and economical than using a trike 4 or 5 times a day. I always rent 2 wheels and I am free to move how and where I want, even up to Subic or San Fernando with a cost of 400/500 php per day and in complete freedom. Why make your life difficult by dealing with trike drivers or looking for a free one where we are?Its a good thought. But there might be reasons the fellas don't do that:
1) Driving in a foreign country is not for everyone. It means learning a new system. Driving in Phils is chaotic (almost always, given the heavy traffic), and the type of driving (everyone goes wherever they want in their vehicle, whenever they want, without warning) can be disconcerting.
2) Not everyone knows how to drive a motorcycle.
3) Fear of being in a motor vehicle accident. Blame, causation, and money are concerns. Hospitals (and their quality) are a concern.
4) A driver's license must be obtained.
Many gents prefer to leave the driving to someone else. You'll be at your hotel soon, just close your eyes till the vehicle stops.
Member #4794
12-13-23, 04:38
Many gents prefer to leave the driving to someone else. You'll be at your hotel soon, just close your eyes till the vehicle stops.Will never drive anything in the philippines. For ALL of the reasons you listed. Worst idea ever LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6nY23GPSTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCtgJEgbYKg
Pussycat123
12-13-23, 07:33
The Abacan river right below AC has a massive slum / squatter encampment that stretches for miles. In and around anunas is a proper shithole riddled with dirt roads and maze like infrastructure.
.I've been in Barangay Anunas many times, I used to have a GF there. Agreed, its a shithole slum and I'm guesing its not the palm trees and grass skirt experience that OP was looking for. Thats why I was suggesting he gets out to more remote provinces.
Its a good thought. But there might be reasons the fellas don't do that:
1) Driving in a foreign country is not for everyone. It means learning a new system. Driving in Phils is chaotic (almost always, given the heavy traffic), and the type of driving (everyone goes wherever they want in their vehicle, whenever they want, without warning) can be disconcerting.
2) Not everyone knows how to drive a motorcycle.
3) Fear of being in a motor vehicle accident. Blame, causation, and money are concerns. Hospitals (and their quality) are a concern.
4) A driver's license must be obtained.
Many gents prefer to leave the driving to someone else. You'll be at your hotel soon, just close your eyes till the vehicle stops.This is a good list of reasons NOT to motobike in AC.
This also applies to many 3rd world countries and not just the Philippines.
Case in point.
I had a friend that was involved in an accident in Thailand. Not his fault as the local on bike was going the wrong way on one way street. Both parties got serious injuries along with their passengers. All ending up in hospital. Conclusion was obvious. The one with money (always the foreigner and never the local) had to pay for ALL damages and ALL medical bills.
Also, don't forget to get proper license. I've been stopped several times before in both Thailand and Indonesia. Police will often stop foreigners to check and it's easy money for them knowing most don't hold a valid motorcycle license.
Just from my experiences.
I don't understand why regular visitors to Angeles City still insist on getting around the city on trikes, when renting a motorbike or scooter is far more practical and economical than using a trike 4 or 5 times a day. I always rent 2 wheels and I am free to move how and where I want, even up to Subic or San Fernando with a cost of 400/500 php per day and in complete freedom. Why make your life difficult by dealing with trike drivers or looking for a free one where we are?It may work for you but it is very dangerous for 80% of the visitors. Even if they are experienced motorcyclists in their home country. They would not survive here. I know of a few Americans that never fully recovered from their less than 25 mph accidents.
Don't do it.
This is a good list of reasons NOT to motobike in AC.
This also applies to many 3rd world countries and not just the Philippines.
Case in point.
I had a friend that was involved in an accident in Thailand. Not his fault as the local on bike was going the wrong way on one way street. Both parties got serious injuries along with their passengers. All ending up in hospital. Conclusion was obvious. The one with money (always the foreigner and never the local) had to pay for ALL damages and ALL medical bills.
Also, don't forget to get proper license. I've been stopped several times before in both Thailand and Indonesia. Police will often stop foreigners to check and it's easy money for them knowing most don't hold a valid motorcycle license.
Just from my experiences.If you're on a short trip then just use trikes / grab / taxi.
If you're a longer term visitor or a resident get dash cams, insurance and a lawyer contact just in case. There's not a chance in hell I'd pay on someone elses fault. I'd rather go through the process and pay more in lawyer fees than see some silly Filipino twat have his medical fees all paid up for an accident he caused.
Hi guys,
I will be in Angeles for three nights soon. Any big boob sightings (slim and stacked)? Much obliged.
FuriousGeorge
12-15-23, 09:03
Well I've been in AC for a couple of days now and I'll report a little. I've seen a lot of familiar faces at the girl bars. 'Takin loads daily since 2022!’ This is both bad and good. I may repeat with some of the greats.
I once heard that the way the police pick dogs is they go to the shelter and the dog that is most active and excited to see them, that's the dog that gets picked. That's how I operate at the bars. If they wave and smile and try to sell their girlfriend on stage or give me the handsome sign, that's a contender.
Night one, the hottest doorgirl I've ever seen walked me in and was super excited and wanted to sit with me. She had no tags and was so hot I figured she was door candy only but that proved not to be the case. Rubbing my dick and putting my hand under her dress, good signs all around. It was an expensive night since she did call over her waitress friends and drinks were flowing, on my dime. But she did not disappoint back at the hotel. Unfortunately she put a selfie of us as her phone wallpaper and called me her new boyfriend, so it may be difficult to meet another girl at that bar for a while. And there were some absolute stunners. Tape-on-the-nipples only, which leaves no confusion.
Night two, I used the same technique which resulted in a girl from dollhouse who wasn't close to as hot as the first, but still sweet and still a performer. I need to start kicking these girls out because I still haven't gotten a good nights' rest.
Gecko's is the best day bar. I counted 9 on stage today. 8 do-able, 4 stunners. Lollipop is still the best night bar. But between that bar and Q bar, too many recognized me from last year. I was surprised by how many were still working after a year.
I'll hit a few bars and then Mega Dance tonight and work some civilians, then maybe hit the 24 hour 'massage' place and hopefully sleep alone. Every night is an adventure.
AC is still a blast. I'll be here a month so I will be pacing myself.
NapaSlapper
12-15-23, 15:36
Well I've been in AC for a couple of days now and I'll report a little. I've seen a lot of familiar faces at the girl bars. 'Takin loads daily since 2022! This is both bad and good. I may repeat with some of the greats.
I once heard that the way the police pick dogs is they go to the shelter and the dog that is most active and excited to see them, that's the dog that gets picked. That's how I operate at the bars. If they wave and smile and try to sell their girlfriend on stage or give me the handsome sign, that's a contender.
Night one, the hottest doorgirl I've ever seen walked me in and was super excited and wanted to sit with me. She had no tags and was so hot I figured she was door candy only but that proved not to be the case. Rubbing my dick and putting my hand under her dress, good signs all around. It was an expensive night since she did call over her waitress friends and drinks were flowing, on my dime. But she did not disappoint back at the hotel. Unfortunately she put a selfie of us as her phone wallpaper and called me her new boyfriend, so it may be difficult to meet another girl at that bar for a while. And there were some absolute stunners. Tape-on-the-nipples only, which leaves no confusion.
Night two, I used the same technique which resulted in a girl from dollhouse who wasn't close to as hot as the first, but still sweet and still a performer. I need to start kicking these girls out because I still haven't gotten a good nights' rest.
Gecko's is the best day bar. I counted 9 on stage today. 8 do-able, 4 stunners. Lollipop is still the best night bar. But between that bar and Q bar, too many recognized me from last year. I was surprised by how many were still working after a year..Glad your having a great time in Angeles and enjoying yourself.
Am out many nights in Angeles many times at the same bars you see lots of 9's and stunners, unfortunately I and many drinking friends do not see what you see.
Its true to say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm sure I and many other board members would love to see some posted photos of these so called stunners, obviously don't need to be naked photos, just some for reference.
Enjoy.
What about Angel Witch? It opens at 6 AM methinks for the morning woodies. Cheers.I can't positively confirm, but I believe that Angel Witch is a 24-hour bar. I think I saw that on signage or a flyer or something. What I CAN say is that I have a distinct memory of *leaving* Angel Witch at 7:30 am one morning after an all-nighter. (I'd arrived there at 3:30 am or so).
If you've ever done an all-nighter in Vegas strip clubs, it's not much different. The girls get sparser and less attractive as the morning comes. But that feeling of having the sun brutalize you as you leave the bar is something special. (Even if the girls aren't.).
I was drunk enough that I took a selfie with a girl for my GF's entertainment. I'd thought she was a 6. Later perusal showed a 3. GF mocked me.
NapaSlapper
12-15-23, 16:33
The town is sure quiet for western tourists, its meant to be high season but it seems to have not arrived.
Obviously, weekends sees the streets and bars fairly busy with weekend asians, mostly koreans.
Many more of the top girls have left for home, many girls I know from xs bar, atlantis bar, Q bar, avalon bar etc are all missing, many bars that have normally more than one dance group on rotation are struggling to even put one team together.
Many bars have increased the punter drinks prices, it might only be by 10 or 20 peso but when the bars keep on having increases it start to add up, girl drinks have been constant priced over the last few weeks, some bars 300 peso, some bars 350 peso, some smaller western oriented bars have kept 250 peso lady drinks but they are few and mainly not popular bars with rough girls.
Barfines remain 4,000 pesos in some smaller bars for fhe chubby oldies,5,000 peso in most bars and a few girls chancing their luck and demanding 6,000 peso, mostly these prices are for short time one pop encounters.
Those that say the asians do not spend large in the bars obviously have not visited recently, not only are the asians spending large on drinks for the girls, ordering food into the bar for the girls, making it rain pesos, tipping the girls in the bar for sitting etc they often take the girls out to eat or clubbing.
There is no getting away from the fact that angeles bar girls give lots of attention to the new kings in town and its no wonder why, have a night out with western friends and we get very little attention from any girls that are ok looking, have a night out with korean friends and the girls are screaming at them in excitement on entering the bar and begging to be called down for drinks with them.
It is what is is unfortunately, I have no problem with girls mainly choosing the asians to spend time with, for those of us that live and work here then we have multiple opportunities with non bar girls because we have the time to work on such and on occasion get something from the bars is possible too but its a challenge, need to hit multiple bars and try to talk to multiple girls in the bar.
As a short visit for a westrrner, especially an older westerner then angeles in truth might not be such a good place to get laid by any of the better lookers, luckily many more other asian destinations where the girls do not choose their punters by race.
What about Angel Witch? It opens at 6 AM methinks for the morning woodies. Cheers.I can't positively confirm, but I believe that Angel Witch is a 24-hour bar. I think I saw that on signage or a flyer or something. What I CAN say is that I have a distinct memory of *leaving* Angel Witch at 7:30 am one morning after an all-nighter. (I'd arrived there at 3:30 am or so).
If you've ever done an all-nighter in Vegas strip clubs, it's not much different. The girls get sparser and less attractive as the morning comes. But that feeling of having the sun brutalize you as you leave the bar is something special. (Even if the girls aren't.).
I was drunk enough that I took a selfie with a girl for my GF's entertainment. I'd thought she was a 6. Later perusal showed a 3. GF mocked me.
For any fools out there that want to own / operate a go-go bar on Walking Street, one of the bars is available for rent. See Pic.
Sky Trak is being remodeled. They finished the outside. I don't think Angeles can support the 4 or 5 night clubs. There's that new one, upstairs next to Sky Trak. Stopped by on Thursday night; it wasn't that crowded. You have the 2 next to Envy. Those were never that crowded. Then you might have one next to Genesis; stopped by tonight; don't really understand the concept. Might be a hybrid. They have a few dancers. Some freelancers; wondering if they're hired by the club. Then you have tables. Saw one high roller with a champagne bottle, with 7 girls sitting with him; not sure if he brought the girls, or if the girls were at the club. The outside seems nice; like a lounge area.
I'm sure I and many other board members would love to see some posted photos of these so called stunners, obviously don't need to be naked photos, just some for reference.
More board members would love to see your example of the girls you know who are stunners. You claim you know them. I know, it won't happen. LOL!
Some board members would love for you to educate them on where the find your type of girls. Details, not generalization. I know, it won't happen. LOL!
Funny thing is that I lean toward your opinion on the overall quality of the girls in Angeles, BUT not to the extreme that you state.
WestCoast1
12-16-23, 00:04
NS: I'm sure I and many other board members would love to see some posted photos of these so called stunners, obviously don't need to be naked photos, just some for reference..
You first. NS you have called for this before, but you will not post any such pics yourself. He claims that he is out many nights a week, but he will not meet with anyone. Hypocrisy.
More board members would love to see your example of the girls you know who are stunners. You claim you know them. I know, it won't happen. LOL!
Some board members would love for you to educate them on where the find your type of girls. Details, not generalization. I know, it won't happen. LOL!
Funny thing is that I lean toward your opinion on the overall quality of the girls in Angeles, BUT not to the extreme that you state.You've said it all re: NS.
Member #4794
12-16-23, 01:28
...Night one, the hottest doorgirl I've ever seen walked me in and was super excited and wanted to sit with me. ...
...Night two, I used the same technique which resulted in a girl from dollhouse who wasn't close to as hot as the first, but still sweet and still a performer. ...
This is a man that brought the right set of expectations with him. Good job.
There might be some truth to this because a few of the bar girls that I know have recently migrated back to AC with in the past week.
They all swear they will never go back but as soon as the well runs dry the first place they go is right back to the bars to seek out new sponsors.
These girls were all being held at home for quite some time while the be team held down AC the A team is coming back so well see how that's pans out.
Don't want to make this about american politics but it seems like these girls have timed their hibernation perfectly with FED tightening and inflation in the US LOL!
NapaSlapper
12-16-23, 01:41
The town is sure quiet for western tourists, its meant to be high season but it seems to have not arrived.
Obviously, weekends sees the streets and bars fairly busy with weekend asians, mostly koreans.
Many more of the top girls have left for home, many girls I know from xs bar, atlantis bar, Q bar, avalon bar etc are all missing, many bars that have normally more than one dance group on rotation are struggling to even put one team together.
Many bars have increased the punter drinks prices, it might only be by 10 or 20 peso but when the bars keep on having increases it start to add up, girl drinks have been constant priced over the last few weeks, some bars 300 peso, some bars 350 peso, some smaller western oriented bars have kept 250 peso lady drinks but they are few and mainly not popular bars with rough girls.
Barfines remain 4,000 pesos in some smaller bars for fhe chubby oldies,5,000 peso in most bars and a few girls chancing their luck and demanding 6,000 peso, mostly these prices are for short time one pop encounters.
Those that say the asians do not spend large in the bars obviously have not visited recently, not only are the asians spending large on drinks for the girls, ordering food into the bar for the girls, making it rain pesos, tipping the girls in the bar for sitting etc they often take the girls out to eat or clubbing.
There is no getting away from the fact that angeles bar girls give lots of attention to the new kings in town and its no wonder why, have a night out with western friends and we get very little attention from any girls that are ok looking, have a night out with korean friends and the girls are screaming at them in excitement on entering the bar and begging to be called down for drinks with them.
It is what is is unfortunately, I have no problem with girls mainly choosing the asians to spend time with, for those of us that live and work here then we have multiple opportunities with non bar girls because we have the time to work on such and on occasion get something from the bars is possible too but its a challenge, need to hit multiple bars and try to talk to multiple girls in the bar.
As a short visit for a westerner, especially an older westerner then angeles in truth might not be such a good place to get laid by any of the better lookers, luckily many more other asian destinations where the girls do not choose their punters by race.
NapaSlapper
12-16-23, 02:06
NS: I'm sure I and many other board members would love to see some posted photos of these so called stunners, obviously don't need to be naked photos, just some for reference..
You first. NS you have called for this before, but you will not post any such pics yourself. He claims that he is out many nights a week, but he will not meet with anyone. Hypocrisy.
You've said it all re: NS.Have answered you in full multiple times westy as you clearly know.
I am not the one saying there is stunners in angeles, in fact I have not seen a stunner in angeles in multiple years so would not obviously have any photos of such.
Posting photos of girls from multiple years ago especially heavily blurred photos that some like to do are of no use or help to this board IMHO.
As far as meet ups, why would anyone want to meet guys that are here only to flame and try to silence others for their own agenda?
FuriousGeorge
12-16-23, 02:27
It's not even a case of 'you first', since I have posted some pics from past trips. I mentioned a couple of bars where I saw a nice selection of do-ables and a few stunners. I have also been to a couple of bars with neither of the above. But generally I would say the talent overall is better than last year.
NS: I'm sure I and many other board members would love to see some posted photos of these so called stunners, obviously don't need to be naked photos, just some for reference..
You first. NS you have called for this before, but you will not post any such pics yourself. He claims that he is out many nights a week, but he will not meet with anyone. Hypocrisy.
You've said it all re: NS.
The town is sure quiet for western tourists, its meant to be high season but it seems to have not arrived.
Obviously, weekends sees the streets and bars fairly busy with weekend asians, mostly koreans.
Many more of the top girls have left for home, many girls I know from xs bar, atlantis bar, Q bar, avalon bar etc are all missing, many bars that have normally more than one dance group on rotation are struggling to even put one team together.
Many bars have increased the punter drinks prices, it might only be by 10 or 20 peso but when the bars keep on having increases it start to add up, girl drinks have been constant priced over the last few weeks, some bars 300 peso, some bars 350 peso, some smaller western oriented bars have kept 250 peso lady drinks but they are few and mainly not popular bars with rough girls.
Barfines remain 4,000 pesos in some smaller bars for fhe chubby oldies,5,000 peso in most bars and a few girls chancing their luck and demanding 6,000 peso, mostly these prices are for short time one pop encounters.
Those that say the asians do not spend large in the bars obviously have not visited recently, not only are the asians spending large on drinks for the girls, ordering food into the bar for the girls, making it rain pesos, tipping the girls in the bar for sitting etc they often take the girls out to eat or clubbing.
There is no getting away from the fact that angeles bar girls give lots of attention to the new kings in town and its no wonder why, have a night out with western friends and we get very little attention from any girls that are ok looking, have a night out with korean friends and the girls are screaming at them in excitement on entering the bar and begging to be called down for drinks with them.
It is what is is unfortunately, I have no problem with girls mainly choosing the asians to spend time with, for those of us that live and work here then we have multiple opportunities with non bar girls because we have the time to work on such and on occasion get something from the bars is possible too but its a challenge, need to hit multiple bars and try to talk to multiple girls in the bar.
As a short visit for a westerner, especially an older westerner then angeles in truth might not be such a good place to get laid by any of the better lookers, luckily many more other asian destinations where the girls do not choose their punters by race.I been living in Angeles for 6 years and it's different when you live here. Those same girls that's asking 6 k will come to my home for ST or LT for 1 k-1,500 k! I rarely go to bars because I got a big roster of girls in my phone. I sometimes go 4 months without going in any bar. What me and my friend do is go to the bars and just collect numbers. Those girls will always text when they need money. Many go with us for free, just to get free food and drinks and a nice comfortable place to sleep.
Pussycat123
12-16-23, 11:33
Guys are saying only Asians get attention from girls in AC, well that's not what I'm seeing. I'm a foreigner, I've been to AC four times this year and have banged lots of hot girls. Just dress ok, spend a little money and you will get attention. Maybe the prima donnas only want Koreans but who fucking cares, they can have those high maintenance girls. Just give me a seven with a nice smile and good attitude and I'm happy.
Expat American
12-16-23, 15:51
I been living in Angeles for 6 years and it's different when you live here. Those same girls that's asking 6 k will come to my home for ST or LT for 1 k-1,500 k! I rarely go to bars because I got a big roster of girls in my phone. I sometimes go 4 months without going in any bar. What me and my friend do is go to the bars and just collect numbers. Those girls will always text when they need money. Many go with us for free, just to get free food and drinks and a nice comfortable place to sleep.True but you have to live in that Shit hole. ID rather pay the 6 K. Actually, I'd rather go elsewhere in Asia where I can still get hot enthusiastic girls for $20.
Many go with us for free, just to get free food and drinks and a nice comfortable place to sleep.Do you let them shower too or is that a red line?
..... Unfortunately she put a selfie of us as her phone wallpaper and called me her new boyfriend.......That phone probably has a lot of selfies with new boyfriends on it.
True but you have to live in that Shit hole. ID rather pay the 6 K. Actually, I'd rather go elsewhere in Asia where I can still get hot enthusiastic girls for $20.Yes it's a shit hole. LOL. That's why I went to live in Cambodia for 6 months and Indonesia for 30 days. Just to get away. I'm moving to Cebu in March.
I can't positively confirm, but I believe that Angel Witch is a 24-hour bar. I think I saw that on signage or a flyer or something. What I CAN say is that I have a distinct memory of *leaving* Angel Witch at 7:30 am one morning after an all-nighter. (I'd arrived there at 3:30 am or so).Sorry, but yet another referral for Jakarta in the AC thread.
If you are looking for all nighters, there are several clubs in Jakarta open for 72 hours every weekend. And they stay quite busy for the whole time with kids on various forms of chemical assistance. Not really hooker nor foreigner hangouts but many girls will happily leave for a novelty fuck with a bule / farang.
I'm waaaay too old for that shit now but I'm guessing that asking around would bring up similar options in Manila.
Enjoy. G.
Yes it's a shit hole. LOL. That's why I went to live in Cambodia for 6 months and Indonesia for 30 days. Just to get away. I'm moving to Cebu in March.There are many vloggers posting "Top 6" type videos on why foreigners are leaving the Phil's now, either to return home or to go elsewhere. Typically it's some combination of:
Relationship dramas.
Cost rises.
Tired of rip offs.
Poor infrastructure.
More / better quality for your dollar elsewhere.
Etc.
Cheers. G.
FuriousGeorge
12-17-23, 04:11
A thought occurred to me while sitting on the perch at Kokomos last night. I'd estimate the Korean / gringo ratio is 50/50. I've never had a girl tell me she only goes with Koreans. I did have one tell me she prefers them because they have smaller dicks. I immediately discounted her since I am not in that category. But. It is very clear that, generally speaking, the Koreans:
Are generally not as old and decrepit as the gringos. They are usually not as fat and rarely obese. They seem cleaner and better groomed than your average gringo. They dress better. Nice clean sneakers, designer jeans and a polo rather than disgusting smelly flip flops, oversized cargo shorts, and a sweaty Twins jersey with wet hairy armpits hanging out.
Last night Chanpagne was absolutely packed with this type of gringo. Hell if I were a bargirl I'the probably say Korean only also. Maybe look inward rather than cry racism.
I dressed for success last night since I was planning on hitting Mega Dance. A 19 year old 72 pounder from Lollipop rubbing my dick for an hour destroyed those plans.
Do you let them shower too or is that a red line?My roster consists of girls I've known for years. I treat them very well. Hence why they keep coming back. Girls treat locals differently than tourists (as they should). They know I can help them faster whenever they need help.
WestCoast1
12-17-23, 05:15
Some early Christmas cheer for the gents.
Rob's Gastropub + Sports was hopping last night (Saturday) at 1 am. Friday night was dead. It is in the same building as the Wild Aces Poker room. It was packed full of locals. I saw groups of females drinking together. So, if you have game, I'm guessing the girls are available.
Has there been less "raining" in the bars. Since the government stopped printing 20 peso bills, it is harder to get them. With 50 peso bills, that is 2.5 times more expensive to make it rain.
Many bars have increased the punter drinks prices, it might only be by 10 or 20 pesoSo much incorrect information. You need to stop writing numbers. Just opinions, then you can't be "wrong".
What bar increased their beer prices by 20 pesos? That's a large percentage increase. XS increased their SML from 135 to 140. Ya, I haven't been to every bar. Please tell me which bar increased it to 20 pesos, and I will check it out. If so, I will apologize. Yup, I know, you can't because you are not here in Angeles.
BTW NS, what ever happened to that White manager at Atlantis? I haven't seen him in a few years. In your PM to me, you claimed he was your brother-in-law. He denied the relationship. Maybe he was ashamed of you. LOL!
Posting photos of girls from multiple years ago especially heavily blurred photos that some like to do are of no use or help to this board IMHO.
That would give some credence that you are real. But I don't even believe you even have those pictures.
Guys are saying only Asians get attention from girls in AC, well that's not what I'm seeingAnother misnomer that fake is espousing. Just wave / point, or get the mamasan to point the green laser at the girl, and she will come down for a lady's drink.
Sometimes girls will yell "Oppa (brother)" when an Asian walks in, in the hopes of getting a lady's drink and / or a barfine.
BUT the most vocal reaction I've seen (just a few times) is when a young, clean cut, good-looking (I'm assuming) White guy walks in; the girls yell / holler at him.
I've never had a girl tell me she only goes with Koreans.To easily find them, you need to go to the Korean bars. LOL!
A 19 year old 72 pounder from Lollipop rubbing my dick for an hour destroyed those plans.It seemed to have been tape / body paint night at Lollipop last night. Did you see that White guy (probably American) buying all those drinks for the girls on stage. I was there at 7:30 for a quick beer, and he brought 6 or 7 girls 3 rounds. He looked like he was having fun. This proves that White guys are also big spenders. This also proves girls give attention to you when you buy lady drinks. Assuming you brought many lady drinks for that 72 pounder.
My roster consists of girls I've known for years. I treat them very well. Hence why they keep coming back. Girls treat locals differently than tourists (as they should). They know I can help them faster whenever they need help.I guess it depends on how many towels you have at hand. I always thought prostitutes bonked for money though, maybe if you were a rice farmer, they would harvest your crop for free. Many prostitutes prefer older dudes as less work, more money and a good sleep.
Towels are a problem if you gang bang and don't have a lot on hand.
......Posting photos of girls from multiple years ago especially heavily blurred photos that some like to do are of no use or help to this board IMHO.....I think such photos would be of use to connoisseurs such as myself. I have numerous photos of Filipinas from the early 2000's when all girls freely allowed their one night dates to take nude photos. I like to compare with other photos. I don't compare with current available girls as I know back then was better.
Locamotive
12-17-23, 22:10
I think such photos would be of use to connoisseurs such as myself. I have numerous photos of Filipinas from the early 2000's when all girls freely allowed their one night dates to take nude photos. I like to compare with other photos. I don't compare with current available girls as I know back then was better.I agree, photos from the past are informative. I like looking to see if anyone I know. No luck yet but still interesting to look. The past before widespread internet.
And idiots making videos everywhere girls were more willing for photos. Now unless clothed you rarely get them to allow photos for fear of being spread all over.
The internet where friends or family may see.
This is a good list of reasons NOT to motobike in AC.
This also applies to many 3rd world countries and not just the Philippines.
Case in point.
I had a friend that was involved in an accident in Thailand. Not his fault as the local on bike was going the wrong way on one way street. Both parties got serious injuries along with their passengers. All ending up in hospital. Conclusion was obvious. The one with money (always the foreigner and never the local) had to pay for ALL damages and ALL medical bills.
Also, don't forget to get proper license. I've been stopped several times before in both Thailand and Indonesia. Police will often stop foreigners to check and it's easy money for them knowing most don't hold a valid motorcycle license.
Just from my experiences.The fact that someone was going the wrong way and hit a American and then he had to pay because he had money is yet another reason to never visit this dumb toilet bowl of a country, backwards ugly filthy girls, dumb government, screw them and their visa hustling skank women.
I can't positively confirm, but I believe that Angel Witch is a 24-hour bar.Angel Witch is a 24-hour bar.
Are there any other bars that are 24 hours? In the old days (2000's), the Dollhouse was 24 hours. My flight from LAX came in really early. I use to hang out there for couple of hours until my hotel room was ready.
Did you see that White guy (probably American) buying all those drinks for the girls on stage. I was there at 7:30 for a quick beer, and he brought 6 or 7 girls 3 rounds. He looked like he was having fun.That White guy was there again at Lolipop at 10:30 pm. During my quick beer there, he bought multiple rounds for the 7 girls (in body tape / paint, kind of). 6 of the girls were topless. I've never seen that at a Fields bar where the girls were constantly topless. Money talks. The girls were drunk. Seems like he bought drinks for the girls the entire night. The girls were kissing each other, and dry humping each. He was giving 100 peso tips to the girls, on top of the constant lady drinks. Obviously the girls made more money than being barfined. I guess that's why they were all still there.
That guy knows how to have fun. I was sitting behind him, enjoying the spectacle, without having to spend a grand, or two, or three. LOL!
Banana Boi
12-18-23, 05:30
That guy knows how to have fun. I was sitting behind him, enjoying the spectacle, without having to spend a grand, or two, or three. LOL!Living La Vida Loca.
Pussycat123
12-18-23, 08:10
, generally speaking, the Koreans:
Are generally not as old and decrepit as the gringos. They are usually not as fat and rarely obese. They seem cleaner and better groomed than your average gringo. They dress better. Nice clean sneakers, designer jeans and a polo rather than disgusting smelly flip flops, oversized cargo shorts, and a sweaty Twins jersey with wet hairy armpits hanging out.
Last night Chanpagne was absolutely packed with this type of gringo. Hell if I were a bargirl I'the probably say Korean only also. Maybe look inward rather than cry racism.
I dressed for success last night since I was planning on hitting Mega Dance. A 19 year old 72 pounder from Lollipop rubbing my dick for an hour destroyed those plans.I guess its because Korean tourists can come to AC for the weekend whereas Americans etc tend to be retirees. You are correct in stating that many retirees are not really taking care of themselves. I actually asked a bargirl friend how she can bear to go with this type of guy and she says she just lies back and thinks of nothing.
I have to say though most of the Koreans I see in AC look pretty goofy; Standard attire is flip flops, shorts and fanny pack.
Hi guys,
I will be in Angeles for three nights soon. Any big boob sightings (slim and stacked)? Much obliged.Not sure if it is much use to you but there are youtubers doing videos of street food in Thailand, omellettes, pad Thai, stuff like that. The women selling the food are something else and the boobs are to die for. I'd be living on a pad Thai, omelette only diet if I was there.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sKAB9t4ecg0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FfrRlUII1fg
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IJ06xVOiXIo
Lots more. Mad place.
A Traveler
12-18-23, 19:38
It's great to hear you're having a good time FuriousGeorge. Keep the reports coming.
Member #4794
12-18-23, 22:19
Not sure if it is much use to you but there are youtubers doing videos of street food in Thailand, omellettes, pad Thai, stuff like that. The women selling the food are something else and the boobs are to die for. I'd be living on a pad Thai, omelette only diet if I was there.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sKAB9t4ecg0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FfrRlUII1fg
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IJ06xVOiXIo
Lots more. Mad place.What does this have to do with AC or the philippines?
Would you pay 35 k dollars for this ho ho ho. Some guys must be in pussy hell for a long time to bang this ugly chick. They could have flown to ac and stayed for a year and banged just as ugly for 50 dollars.
https://nypost.com/2023/12/18/business/stripper-and-escort-rakes-in-34k-per-week-catering-to-wall-street/
WestCoast1
12-19-23, 05:31
this dumb toilet bowl of a country, backwards ugly filthy girls, dumb government, screw them and their visa hustling skank women."This gives me a hard-on". Wolfman, Top Gun.
"Don't tease me". Chipper, Top Gun.
Teej you have the best descriptions. One man's floor is another man's roof. Its another great day in Phils.
Expat American
12-19-23, 06:17
The fact that someone was going the wrong way and hit a American and then he had to pay because he had money is yet another reason to never visit this dumb toilet bowl of a country, backwards ugly filthy girls, dumb government, screw them and their visa hustling skank women.Shall we take it as you are not going to change your handle to TJBrazilAC anytime soon?
FuriousGeorge
12-19-23, 07:16
Have you not visited most of the world? This is what it looks like. I have not been to Brazil but I have lived multiple years in South America, not far from Brazil. It could easily be considered a dump. You have to see that as part of the charm. AC might be a dump but that's why your money goes so far. And I live in a nice hotel so what do I care. The people are very friendly and nice. Yes they can be annoying to foreigners, but they're mostly just trying to get by.
Masquerade is a fun bar. Not a ton of lookers, but I cozied up to a sexy 22 year old with perhaps the most perfect heart-shaped butt, with a waist I could almost get my hands completely around, and tiny tiny boobs that many of you wouldn't enjoy but I did very much. Still have not encountered a dud in the sack. Someone must be giving BJ lessons because the difference between last year and now is night and day.
The fact that someone was going the wrong way and hit a American and then he had to pay because he had money is yet another reason to never visitBut that original poster was re-telling a story about Thailand. Thailand has that reputation. But as always, stories are usually second hand, and repeating.
People: What about the Philippines? What type of reputation do they have for honesty involving vehicle accidents?
toilet bowl of a country
Ya, you have a lot dumpy areas. I don't like Manila; Many areas can be described as a dumpy, dirty shit-hole. I'm assuming similar to the bad parts of Rio/San Paolo? I've only been to the tourist areas of Rio and Florianopolis; Nice areas.
But Philippines has fantastic beaches and islands. Best so far, IMO, is El Nido.
dumbAnother adjective would be, uneducated and naive. Speaking about dumb, have you have seen that old show, MTV Street Smarts, showing people in the US answering questions. And speaking about dumb, look at all those Americans that believe in false crap; Wow!
backwards ugly filthy girlsBackwards? Probably since many came from the province / farm area. Many of the girls don't understand about Western devices / culture.
Ugly? There are many ugly, marginal, and cute girls in all countries of the world. I prefer White blonds, Koreans/Japanese/Chinese, Vietnamese, and Thai. Probably in that order. But I haven't really explored Europe yet.
Filthy? Really? Why?
dumb government,Can't argue against you there.
visa hustlingThem and over half the world. Half of the world (mostly from poor countries) want to come to the "land of milk and honey". Starting next year in California, the minimum wage for people working at McDonalds is US $20 per hour. Wow! That is a lot. That's more than 2 days of minimum wage in the Philippines.
I have to say though most of the Koreans I see in AC look pretty goofy; Standard attire is flip flops, shorts and fanny pack.Most of the Korean guys I've seen are split to 2 groups- the middle age and older group (more goofy if you like) and the younger mid 20's well built type.
Also, mostly seen with sneakers, shorts, t-shirts and man purses or small over the shoulder bags.
Most of the Korean guys I've seen are split to 2 groups- the middle age and older group (more goofy if you like) and the younger mid 20's well built type.
Also, mostly seen with sneakers, shorts, t-shirts and man purses or small over the shoulder bags.When it comes down to it who gives a fuck what they look like. At the end of the day we're all in a 3rd world shithole paying for pussy. No one here is the prime example of the alpha male. It is what it is.
But that original poster was re-telling a story about Thailand. Thailand has that reputation. But as always, stories are usually second hand, and repeating.
People: What about the Philippines? What type of reputation do they have for honesty involving vehicle accidents?
.I was the original poster about the accident and it was 1st hand info (not 2nd hand) as I was actually there that night following my friend on a 2nd motorbike. And yes, he was ordered by the authorities to pay for everything since he was the foreigner and had more money the the local. The local was penniless. So when the hospital bills came due and the hospital wants their money, you can guess where they were going to get it.
Not sure about the Philippines as I don't know personally anyone in an accident so can't give details, but guessing they will favor locals over foreigners no matter who was at fault.
The fact that someone was going the wrong way and hit a American and then he had to pay because he had money is yet another reason to never visit this dumb toilet bowl of a country, backwards ugly filthy girls, dumb government, screw them and their visa hustling skank women.Although I agree with some of the points, many are off base as I'm assuming you are referring to Filipinas and Philippines in general.
People tend to forget that MOST Filipinos are multi linguistic. Most can speak fluently in 3 languages (their native island tongue, Tagalog and English). Most people from my own developed country can only speak ONE language and some can't even do that properly. So they are not dumb. Not as educated because of family financial situations that can’t send most kids to higher educations, not that they don’t want to but can’t.
Also ugly girls are everywhere. And many from North America are out right fat cows compare to most Asians countries.
Just IMO.
I'm not saying all Americans are smart. Gen Z is dumber than dog food. I saw a video of a black guy being asked who was president before Trump. He had no clue. Men can get pregnant. Rent should be free or cancel rent as they call it. This is the dumbest laziest generation to ever live. They think I should pay off their college loans. I used to hustle and cut lawns in the summer to make money in the 80's, as did other kids. These idiots wouldn't do that if their life depended on it. People are turning into all the people I met in Manila that would ask me for a tip the minute I walked through the door. They didn't even do anything. That's Gen Z.
this dumb toilet bowl of a country, backwards ugly filthy girls, dumb government, screw them and their visa hustling skank women.I remember Pinoy toilets of the 80's and 90's. I still shudder at them. I think it best you do not visit as all you can bring is a few shekels. Most Pinoys, almost all, work very hard and overcome obstacles you cannot even begin to comprehend. I think that is the basic moral divide: your type on the one hand and others on the other, who can see the heroism of those you fear and despise. The best way for most to get ahead is, sadly, to emigrate, and of course to get ripped off by the agents in the process.
NapaSlapper
12-20-23, 03:13
Guys are saying only Asians get attention from girls in AC, well that's not what I'm seeing. I'm a foreigner, I've been to AC four times this year and have banged lots of hot girls. Just dress ok, spend a little money and you will get attention. Maybe the prima donnas only want Koreans but who fucking cares, they can have those high maintenance girls. Just give me a seven with a nice smile and good attitude and I'm happy.Depending on how high one sets the girl bar directly affects on how much attention and girls one gets.
Set the bar slightly high as a westerner and one gets zero attention and offers of sex from the better looking, slim, younger bar girls of angeles, the why has been explained multiple times by multiple members in the recent past.
Set the bar to as long as she has a pulse then she's a yes girl then these type of girls give lots of attention and are very willing to barfine with westerners, why, because she has no other choice to earn money.
Easy to understand really.
NapaSlapper
12-20-23, 12:06
Few thoughts on the latest few barhops.
Pirates bar, lots of greeter girls outside and few girls in, wearing very smart black skirts and white shirts, some ok, some old, some fatties, mixture of a bit of everything in truth, worth further investigation and try to see if any of the better girls like westerners, was in a hurry this night to go meet friends in club xs but will be back.
Skyfalls bar, mainly asian punters, couple of ok lookers already seated with asians, nothing else on stage caught our eye,1 quick drink and left.
Club xs, again the no1 bar in angeles for lookers, shows, great staff and management, always feel at home here, girls can be mighty choosy who they drink with and even fussier who they bar fine with clientele almost only asians, many times I am the only westerner but always a good nights entertainment here.
Q bar, much quiter than usual, maybe 10 girls as apposed to the 30 odd girls usually, some lookers, helps if one is asian if one wants attention from the girls.
Genessis bar, a few greeter girls outside,1 cute, younger and fairly slim, asked her in for drinks but she declined saying she had to stay outside, few ok looking girls inside, a little to fat for my liking but faces cute enough, anyone like the fatties this might just be the bar for you.
Club Lucifer, smallish bar, was many moons ago one of our go to places, had not visited in a while, couple of fat girls as greeter girls outside, we did not let this deter us, a friendly doorman that was absolutely huge but was very welcoming and friendly, about 6 or 7 girls, mostly older girls, mama was a bit pushy asking us to choose girls to sit as soon as our beer arrived, we were the only customers, maybe give it a miss in future.
Bad boy bar, no greeters, no doormen outside, inside was very few girls, probably a handful, although no lookers one girl was at least slim and fairly young, maybe 27/28 years old, had a big boil on her eye brow which let her down, again no other customers 1 drink and was out of there.
Shooters bar, again quiet, bumped into some other friends so stayed for a drink, maybe 10,12 girls, one girl fairly ok looking, already seated with friend that was there, she looked fairly bored but was not refusing the lady drinks being bought, not sure if drinks only girl or bar finable.
Champagne bar, shooters bar, bar nana, baccara bar, popped our heads in for the 1 drink only, not worth staying for a 2nd drink, very quiet in all 4 bars for punters and girls.
IN summing up, its Christmas week, many, many girls have left town for the holiday, reports that they will be back some time after new year, lets wait and see how many return, the state of the roads and pave ments all over angeles is 4th world, big holes dug on walking street outside the closed galaxy hotel, goes on for quite some stretch, obviously unlit, so a real hazard if one has had a drink, many many bars with no customers at all, especially the western oriented bars, few bums on seats in lollipop bar (expats) but the girls tend to be low grade but playful, its obviously meant to be peak season in angeles but many western tourists just have not shown up this time, many bars struggling to pay the bills, in truth if it were not for the asians spending large in some bars this town would have closed the lights long ago IMHO.
Well happy holidays peeps.
Good informative report, thanks. To be fair, I think many of us regulars avoid the Christmas season at all costs. Almost as bad as Holy Week.
I think many of us regulars avoid the Christmas season at all costs. Almost as bad as Holy Week.Between some 500 peso hooker's legs. That is my plan for Valentine's day, to find the love of my life in Freelancer park[Deleted by Admin].
FuriousGeorge
12-21-23, 09:02
One week down, not even close to tired of this place. I joined up with some other handsome dudes I'd met earlier in the week and we rolled as wingmen for the night. VIP treatment at a bunch of the bars which was nice. Didn't hurt that these guys liked to spend.
The gringo owner of a popular Wolfpack bar comped all our drinks for the night and gave us a tour of the place, upstairs in the dressing rooms, the roof, the inner paths to the other neighboring bars. He also broke down the finances very specifically since my new friends claimed they wanted to buy a bar eventually. He spent years managing bars and learning the system before buying. But he claims to be making bank. I believe him, he obviously put in his ten thousand hours. He said average amount of barfines a day is 11. Place was packed and the girls drink free beyond lady drinks so they were wild. A bunch of hot civilian chicks with real jobs wandering around too. I think it was someone in management's birthday. He said the corruption payment to the city was 30 k flat per month which I found interesting. He admitted it was a complete shakedown but worth it.
My cohorts found barfines and went to Mega Dance. I found my target at Lollipop, but after a drink she wanted to go to Mega also. I wasn't up for it so I pulled the ole '1 am massage parlor visit where you get a nice massage and then she jumps on your dick bare until you cum in her' move. Then took a trike home and slept well.
Medellin65
12-21-23, 10:23
I'm not saying all Americans are smart. Gen Z is dumber than dog food. I saw a video of a black guy being asked who was president before Trump. He had no clue. Men can get pregnant. Rent should be free or cancel rent as they call it. This is the dumbest laziest generation to ever live. They think I should pay off their college loans. I used to hustle and cut lawns in the summer to make money in the 80's, as did other kids. These idiots wouldn't do that if their life depended on it. People are turning into all the people I met in Manila that would ask me for a tip the minute I walked through the door. They didn't even do anything. That's Gen Z.I agree, in europe we have the same probem with GENERATION Z, most of them are youth withot brain, I am from Italy, before we been the center of art and culture in the world, now most of that is lost because GENERATION Z.
Relatively new bar / club. Seems like an interesting concept.
The bar has a nightclub feel to it. It has tables, dancers, and singers. It also has a lounge area in front.
This bar currently doesn't get totally packed, but I think it will do well in the future. It has a good location, right next to Genesis go-go bar.
There girls are wearing dresses in there. I guess they're trying to be classy. I was told that the girls charge what they want, but most of them will want 5,000 pesos; and half goes to the bar. So I'm assuming independent freelancers are not allowed in. Didn't get a good look at all the girls, but most seem slightly above average, nothing to rave about.
Bad thing is that they allow smoking in there. Even worst is that they allow the girls to smoke. In the old days, they allowed the customers to smoke, but not the girls.
- I like the coloring system in Dragon Bar. White, black, yellow, red = Long time, short time, cherry, menstruation. I am assuming this means that all the girls are available, unlike XS. Although, some girls are East Asian only; not sure of the percentages.
- You're still a fake idiot, if you're are a self-proclaimed Angeles expert (for many years), AND you skip (or rather, don't know about) the Dragon Bar when you take your Korean clients bar-hopping. Dragon is a Korean bar that opens at 5 pm.
- I was at Dragon last week around 9 pm. I bought the cutest girl on stage a drink. I was surprised she wasn't already barfined. She said that Koreans are not too interested in her because she only does short time. She also don't do BJs. She said she had her baby at home.
- The problem with Dragon Bar is that the girls wear dresses. Most of the girls (maybe 95%) who wear dresses in Angeles are moms.
...... She said that Koreans are not too interested in her because she only does short time. She also don't do BJs........It would be interesting to do a survey of guys on ISG who would barfine a girl who does not do blow jobs. I don't think you would find any.
It would be interesting to do a survey of guys on ISG who would barfine a girl who does not do blow jobs. I don't think you would find any.I have barfined many province girls that would not do BJ. Over 80% were great sexperience!
I still would barfine them!
It would be interesting to do a survey of guys on ISG who would barfine a girl who does not do blow jobs. I don't think you would find any.
I have barfined many province girls that would not do BJ. Over 80% were great sexperience!
I still would barfine them!Are we talking refusal or inability? Big difference.
I don't think I've had anyone who point blank refused but there have been a few who didn't have a clue what they were doing.
Like most guys, I enjoy a good BJ but if she doesn't know what to do, then I'm happy to move onto something else within her skill set.
I always prefer a girl performing her choice of activities enthusiastically rather than my list under duress.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. Just reread the initial question. No, providing a BJ isn't a deal breaker for me. I don't think I've ever included it in pre employment interviews. If a girl volunteered without being asked that she doesn't do them, then if other boxes were ticked, then I'd still take her.
I have barfined many province girls that would not do BJ. Over 80% were great sexperience!
I still would barfine them!Then there are the girls born to suck a dick:
A GF's sister had no problem finding boyfriends while staying a virgin by learning to give the best head in town. Sadly, she never proved it to me after sis and I broke up. Apparently, I came with too much baggage 😭.
A Sabang dancer who could suck to completion underwater in the Big Apple pool after a big night out.
One trip, I arrived in Cebu to find that the place had been invaded by face fucking zombies. I have no idea why, but it was quite the fashion there for a while.
A surprising number of sweet as pie, good girls who could suck start a 747.
Enjoy. G.
It would be interesting to do a survey of guys on ISG who would barfine a girl who does not do blow jobs. I don't think you would find any.I've taken a few that didn't give blowjobs, but she has to have a smoking hot body and not mention a condom to me! Have had good experiences with all of them.
It would be interesting to do a survey of guys on ISG who would barfine a girl who does not do blow jobs. I don't think you would find any.I don't much care about blow jobs, I'd give those up for the ability to find gangbang action more readily.
NapaSlapper
12-28-23, 11:30
Its fair to say that Christmas, new year and Easter are probably the worst times to visit angeles city bars due to the better looking girls (popular) that can afford to do so have left for their family homes and this year is no different it seems.
Most bars are very short on girl numbers, very short on western tourist numbers even the hundreds of koreans that normally can be seen on the streets and bars of angeles were in very small numbers this past few days.
Last nights bar hop was pretty much forced apon me by a good buddy that was visiting from davao city, as this was his last night in town and I had not got to see him yet I headed out on the town, only 4 or 5 bars in total as I had other plans for later.
Atlantis bar, maybe 15 girls in total, 2 or 3 customers (asians) normally some good shows on here but none this night probably down to missing dancers, my favourite girl here is the pole acrobat girl with the great body (does not barfine) but she was also missing, normally waitresses in bars are older x bargirls and rough but there was one new waitress that was cute and probably the best in tonight of all the girls, even the bar girls,1 drink and left.
Q bar, again very low numbers of girls and punters,1 girl stood out from the rest though, no not a stunner but at least fairly young, slim and ok looking, friend called her over for a lady drink but she was pretending not to notice his advances, maybe waiting for a better korean offer ,1 drink and was out.
Dragons bar, friend had wanted to try this bar as he had been to most angeles bars before but never visited dragon bar, I had tried to talk him out of it as I had visited a few times recently because of rave reviews by member green bud but had not seen what all the hype was about, not wanting to be a kill joy I relented and went along, can only say that those that rave about this bar have totally different taste in girls to what I and my buddy had, will not return any time soon.
Needed to bring the better looking, younger, slimmer girl numbers up a few notches and only one place and one bar to do that in all of angeles city, yes Xs bar of course, before entering there is an outside seating area to this bar, plenty of ok looking girls (not stunners) seated outside relaxing, on their phones, eating snacks, but we headed straight in, I am fairly well known here due to many visits with Korean friends / associates and we were shown straight away to a nice front seat, punter drinks here are a little more expensive but so is the quality of the shows and the girls, where there is normally 60/70 girls here we were down to maybe 20/25 but the bar still managed to put on very professional stage shows, all girls looked happy (unlike many other bars) the punters are all mainly asian koreans, japanese, few chinese, although westerners are very welcome here by management the girls tend to be very fussy who they will bar fine with if at all for many girls, it is what it is unfortunately.
In summing up, its deadly quiet here especially for western tourists, yes its Christmas but in truth its been very quiet all year with many friends preferring to visit other asian destination during 2023,a recent visit to thailand showed a massive difference in punter numbers visiting.
The town with passing time sees more angeles bars being taken over by the koreans, more korean restaurants opening, more and more koreans choosing to visit, outnumbering the western visitors by multiple times, angeles better looking girls only have eyes for koreans, many girls refusing to give mr westerner any attention at all, the most truth one can say about angeles city is that is this is now a mainly korean owned and visited town, the only girls that give any attention to westerners are the older, plumper plain girls, yes many claim they are able to get great looking girls, even stunners to give them attention and even bar fine with westerners but I can only tell one what my experiences are and what my eyes see and that in truth I have not seen a westerner with anything that can be considered young or cute or slim on their arm or sitting with one having drinks in the bars in multiple years in truth, again it is what it is.
Heading to boracay for a few days with the girlfriend to get away from the grime of angeles.
Happy new year peeps.
I don't much care about blow jobs, I'd give those up for the ability to find gangbang action more readily.Ok I've been proven wrong. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of times when I had BBBJCIM and no FS. However, a BJ is an integral part of foreplay for me before FS. Yes I've had girls who did not know how to give good head but I'm a willing teacher, heh heh.
Then there are the girls born to suck a dick:
A GF's sister had no problem finding boyfriends while staying a virgin by learning to give the best head in town.......My first sexual experience was in high school with a girl who, not wanting to lose her virginity, offered me the cornhole.
NapaSlapper
12-28-23, 16:50
Ok I've been proven wrong. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of times when I had BBBJCIM and no FS. However, a BJ is an integral part of foreplay for me before FS. Yes I've had girls who did not know how to give good head but I'm a willing teacher, heh heh.Not so fast, think you are 100% correct to say that a blow job in an integral and important part of foreplay, never had a girl pinay or other refuse to give a blow job, or at least give it a good attempt even without one asking.
Looking around angeles city at some of the old, obese, unwashed westerners here that can be seen in the same old singlet, shorts and flip flops for weeks on end as to why girls are reluctant to give a blow job to such.
Don't always blame the girls comes to mind.
My first sexual experience was in high school with a girl who, not wanting to lose her virginity, offered me the cornhole.I'm surprised that we don't hear more of this in the staunchly Catholic Philippines.
I'm no authority but isn't this the common solution to prevent roaming boyfriends and unwanted pregnancies in a few devout South American countries too eg Brazil??
Enjoy. G.
Locamotive
12-29-23, 21:24
Not so fast, think you are 100% correct to say that a blow job in an integral and important part of foreplay, never had a girl pinay or other refuse to give a blow job, or at least give it a good attempt even without one asking.
Looking around angeles city at some of the old, obese, unwashed westerners here that can be seen in the same old singlet, shorts and flip flops for weeks on end as to why girls are reluctant to give a blow job to such.
Don't always blame the girls comes to mind.I agree some of them look pretty bad especially their weight. I know many a bar girl and often when in the bars I see this type customer and I ask the girls what goes on when you barfine a whale.
Haha. These guys stomachs look like they are are 8 months pregnant, how does that work? The girls tell me there is usually much less sex going on which is better for us. If we can get to it a blow job of some type is done along with doggy if they can hold up their big bellies long enough. Of course missionary is out of the question or you would get crushed. Some like finger action but some of us don't allow that. Some just have me walking around the room naked all night rubbing on them, whatever? Again those guys are usually easy money vs a guy in shape pounding us all night.
WestCoast1
12-30-23, 01:31
My first sexual experience was in high school with a girl who, not wanting to lose her virginity, offered me the cornhole.
I'm surprised that we don't hear more of this in the staunchly Catholic Philippines. Enjoy. G.I heard about that kinda thing. Can you get away with that in Phils? Not sure about that.
I heard about that kinda thing. Can you get away with that in Phils? Not sure about that.Looks like you got lost for a while. A pretty common occurrence in the Phils for Google Maps to direct you to the back lane rather than front door. 😜.
I've posted before about a Sabang girl who had similar problems: only fucked girls when sober or anal when drunk. Does that make her a virgin?? 🤣.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
12-30-23, 08:53
Looks like you got lost for a while. A pretty common occurrence in the Phils for Google Maps to direct you to the back lane rather than front door. 😜.
I've posted before about a Sabang girl who had similar problems: only fucked girls when sober or anal when drunk. Does that make her a virgin?? 🤣.Enjoy. G.Music to my ears. I'd like to volunteer and help the young lady continue with her virgination.
Do we have a new word?
It would be interesting to do a survey of guys on ISG who would barfine a girl who does not do blow jobs. I don't think you would find any.I have never barfined so I probably don't count but class me as one who doesn't care about blow jobs. The only time I really care is when completing the trilogy of holes.
Happy New Year!
New crop of beauties turning 18 coming up.
A Traveler
01-04-24, 19:38
Is anybody on the ground? How about an update on your adventures, GreenBud?
Is anybody on the ground? How about an update on your adventures, GreenBud?I was in Thailand for 2 weeks. Then I came back to Angeles for 2 days. Today, I went to Sabang, Puerto Galera (might do a field report later).
Angeles seems the same. I usually stick with my regulars. The problem is when I bar hop really late, most of the bars are full of mostly marginal girls. I am assuming the best girls from those bars are already barfined. XS is the exception since many of the girls have sponsors.
Takes too long to find the cute PSE girl. You have to get to the bars really early. Once you hit one or two bars, your hunt is kind of done (especially true in Sabang).
There has been a group of massage girls hanging out in front of Royal Amsterdam. Couple are decent. I think it was 400 for a massage. One girl wanted 2000 for everything for one hour. Can't remember if they have an official license. It's good if they do. If they're official, they do weekly white blood test (smear) and blood test every 3 months. Ya, some guy is going to say some girls cheat on the test. But it's virtually certain that no one has ever known any girl that has cheated on the test. Just not logical. Why would the tester accept a bribe and risk his career. Why wouldn't the girl just get the cure. Why would the girl tell anyone; girls do not want to work at a bar where the girls would cheat on the health test. Yes, it's true that many Pinays do not use condoms.
It would be interesting to do a survey of guys on ISG who would barfine a girl who does not do blow jobs. I don't think you would find any.I have only been with two girls that could actually turn me on by doing a blow job. If the girl won't at least LFK, that's a deal breaker for me.
WestCoast1
01-09-24, 17:25
I have only been with two girls that could actually turn me on by doing a blow job. If the girl won't at least LFK, that's a deal breaker for me.At my age, just happy if she will take a naked shower for me. Too skinny?
At my age, just happy if she will take a naked shower for me. Too skinny?She is a little skinny, but the best sex I ever had was with a skinny, no-tit and flat butt Filipina that was wild and could do any position imaginable. I prefer a fuller future, but this is much better than too chubby hahaha.
Locamotive
01-10-24, 19:32
She is a little skinny, but the best sex I ever had was with a skinny, no-tit and flat butt Filipina that was wild and could do any position imaginable. I prefer a fuller future, but this is much better than too chubby hahaha.Hehehe. A bit yes. Not a problem if you like her take her to Jollibee, that will do it. Better than the other way trying to get them to stop Jollibee.
Medellin65
01-10-24, 19:58
I heard about that kinda thing. Can you get away with that in Phils? Not sure about that.I love to fuck ass of young skinny pinay, hope next time to find one or more to have fun in this way. Some one have suggest? (FB or ISG).
Hi Guys.
Have been in AC pre covid few times. My hub was mainly picking joiners from High Society. Visiting again in Feb mid and looking for a place like High Society which is foreigner friendly. HS was my place for take one get one attachment. He he. Loved it.
Regards. Wishes to all for a New Mongering Year ahead.
Dark Vader
01-13-24, 02:05
Visiting again in Feb mid and looking for a place like High Society which is foreigner friendly. Mega Dance is the new equivalent.
I had some beers tonight (Saturday night) at Baccara. I was pleasantly surprised by the quantity and quality of the girls at 8 pm. I've never seen that many girls there previously; maybe 50+ girls. There were a few that were decent. There's a lot of girls working there for such a small bar.
The waitress said there were a lot of girls tonight because Friday and Saturday is a mandatory work night for all the girls. The place opens at 11 am. The night shift starts at 5 pm. I need to go there at 5 pm and see the quality. Assuming the best ones were already barfined.
5000 pesos barfine for long time; short time is 4000 pesos.
Baccara is what I define as a Korean bar. There are Korean touts in front. There are Korean pappasans catering to the Koreans. Majority of the customers were East Asians; although you do see a lot of Westerners there.
One problem is that most of the girl wear clothes that hide the stomach. That means most of the girls are moms.
The spotlight dancers wear outfits that exposes the stomach. But at 8 pm, most of them were fat and on the ugly side. Maybe the good ones were already barfined.
Wicked Roger
01-13-24, 23:06
I love to fuck ass of young skinny pinay, hope next time to find one or more to have fun in this way. Some one have suggest? (FB or ISG).Plenty out there is you ask nicely I know depends where you look and I never look in AC.
At Westie yes of course.
Plenty out there is you ask nicely.Those that reply no normally have friends.
G.
FuriousGeorge
01-15-24, 12:46
This forum is pretty boring lately. I spent 4 weeks in AC. Loved every second. Didn't want to leave. Would never live in that city. That would be insane. My sensors would burn out. They kind of did anyway.
I've said it before, but, again, I am not your average gringo. I am tall and fit and white and muscular. I dress well when I go out. All day I get called handsome, Schwarzenegger, and Superman. I assure you I look like neither But I guess it's kind of like how unsophisticated Americans think every Asian guy looks like Jackie Chan. And, incidentally, money is (kind of) no object. My experience is a little different from your average dude.
I think I only took 3 nights off (no sex). Those were usually weekends at Mega Dance where you try your hand with civilians. The first weekend the girl threw herself at me so hard I couldn't turn it down. The other weekend nights at Mega I tapped out at 3 am. Had I stayed later I could have made it happen but hell I need to sleep. I only doubled up one day (I'm getting older). The problem with these 'civilian' girls is you're not sure if you should pay in the morning or how much. I recommend a cover story - 'This is for your son's Christmas, not for the sex'. That seems to work.
The best bars for quantity, fun, and quality are Lollipop and Shooters. Masquerade is cheap and super fun, but the girl quality is mixed. That being said I met 2 of my 4 favorites from Masquerade. Q bar has gone downhill. Although one of the hottest girls I saw is a Q bar girl with curly hair and glasses and looks like a tiny Brazilian model who works out. I saw a Korean dude barfine her within 3 minutes of meeting her. She changed and they walked out and she was back in exactly 18 minutes. Before I finished my drink. Dude, you have a stunner, enjoy it. Fascinating.
This visit I investigated perimeter during the day. Talent was pretty low generally speaking. But a good way to kill time during the day. These bars are filled with busted old expats, many of whom are in walkers and really at the end of their journey. But nice fellas. I checked out the bars around the corner from Garfields. One of them was, well, somethin else. A real hole in the wall. The girls stand in front of you grinning and making you uncomfortable. I recommend getting drunk. There's a rickety spiral staircase that leads to a room upstairs. This room is a cross between the tree fort you built when you were twelve and a prisoner murder room. That being said, I had the best BJ of my trip up there, with a tiny sexy slightly older girl. The only do-able one of the bunch. And relaxing daytime sex ending in cumming inside. No rush at all. All for 2200. Not too bad.
NYE was great fun at ABC. I called in my favorite later in the night. She looked like a disney filippina princess. A true stunner. The gogo bars close at around 10 on NYE so your favorite will be available. She came over to Aqua and we had a great time and then back to my place. No money negotiated of course. There was a very uncomfortable moment upon checkout involving 3 ladyboys and a rube gringo who obviously planned on taking them home but was very confused when the bill came (men 1000, women 500). The dude disputed the bill and the manager had to come down and take him aside and explain.
There are plenty of very very sexy, fun, nice girls in AC. After my nap I have dinner at 8 and hit the bars at 9. Still plenty of options. Too many. My last night there I had a repeat because I wanted to insure a good experience but I saw so many girls that night that I still wanted to experience. Next time. Also, BJ quality has skyrocketed over the last year. Somebody's giving lessons. The only duds I had in bed, were, incidentally, the two 19 year olds I had. They had no idea what they were doing. But they were so young and lithe and physically perfect, it was just fine with me.
Looking forward to retiring in this land some day. Until then. I will be back.
.......Looking forward to retiring in this land some day........So you will live in that city after all.
Member #4794
01-15-24, 20:51
That being said, I had the best BJ of my trip up there, with a tiny sexy slightly older girl. The only do-able one of the bunch.
On occasion I buy that place out and round robin the girls BJ Tokyo pink salon style.
One of the ladies there surprised me as she thought my dick was collapsible like a bendy straw. First time a girl in the AC stubbed my dick on her throat (great! That being said well worth the money. Far cry from the bar girls who try not to actually touch your dick when they give you a BJ. These are some of the hardest working ladies in AC and suck some of the most decrepit of dicks. So when I visit these places its one place I don't get stingy. Where else can you line up 4-5 Bjs in quick succession for a few k? Great way to start the day.
Member #4794
01-15-24, 21:00
There are plenty of very very sexy, fun, nice girls in AC.
Some of these guys have been posting the opposite, which I'm glad is not true. Have to kind of question the validity of their posts. Given that every time I go I have to juggle causing a riot over me barfinding girls from the same bar.
Member #4794
01-15-24, 21:01
Those that reply no normally have friends.
G.Girls who take it in the pooper don't have any friends? LOL!?
A Traveler
01-15-24, 21:34
I had some beers tonight (Saturday night) at Baccara. I was pleasantly surprised by the quantity and quality of the girls at 8 pm. I've never seen that many girls there previously; maybe 50+ girls. There were a few that were decent. There's a lot of girls working there for such a small bar.
The waitress said there were a lot of girls tonight because Friday and Saturday is a mandatory work night for all the girls. The place opens at 11 am. The night shift starts at 5 pm. I need to go there at 5 pm and see the quality. Assuming the best ones were already barfined.
5000 pesos barfine for long time; short time is 4000 pesos.
Baccara is what I define as a Korean bar. There are Korean touts in front. There are Korean pappasans catering to the Koreans. Majority of the customers were East Asians; although you do see a lot of Westerners there.
One problem is that most of the girl wear clothes that hide the stomach. That means most of the girls are moms.
The spotlight dancers wear outfits that exposes the stomach. But at 8 pm, most of them were fat and on the ugly side. Maybe the good ones were already barfined.5000 short time is getting pretty expensive. I paid 4000 at Bunny Bar, Another K bar for LT with a sexy 23 year old with no baby, BBFS one year ago. Have prices gone up that much? I would only consider paying 4,000 for ST for a baby-free 18-23 year old. I'the hope she'the be open to coming over before work for less, but my guess is that K girls won't do that.
I'll be back to find out next month.
On occasion I buy that place out and round robin the girls BJ Tokyo pink salon style.
One of the ladies there surprised me as she thought my dick was collapsible like a bendy straw. First time a girl in the AC stubbed my dick on her throat (great! That being said well worth the money. Far cry from the bar girls who try not to actually touch your dick when they give you a BJ. These are some of the hardest working ladies in AC and suck some of the most decrepit of dicks. So when I visit these places its one place I don't get stingy. Where else can you line up 4-5 Bjs in quick succession for a few k? Great way to start the day.I lived in Japan for 3 years and didn't get to go to a pink salon. There is SO much naughty stuff to do in Japan. I'll return to hit up one of those Pink Salons though.
Some of these guys have been posting the opposite, which I'm glad is not true. Have to kind of question the validity of their posts. Given that every time I go I have to juggle causing a riot over me barfinding girls from the same bar.I am opposite of FG. Old, short, out of shape and not so handsome and still have a good time with my Friends and Family plan.
Member #4794
01-16-24, 02:04
I am opposite of FG. Old, short, out of shape and not so handsome and still have a good time with my Friends and Family plan.Honestly I don't think its about what the guys really look like its more so hygiene level and how you present yourself. I've seen these girls call some guys handsome that look worse than Quasimodo but have a clean shirt on and took a shower before heading out.
"big joe" got turned down by the questionable hookers that hang out outside phillys his clothes are all from the same 10 peso ukay-ukay his outfit cost about a whopping 40 pesos head to toe, and he was asked to leave many a bar due to bad hygiene. If you watch some of his live streams you'll see the girls cover their noses as they say 5000. They need some extra incentive to choke down that limburger dick.
Philipinas can do old, ugly, fat, slow, stupid, bald, shriveled they are real understanding across the board they CANNOT do bad hygiene.
FuriousGeorge
01-16-24, 02:40
I am opposite of FG. Old, short, out of shape and not so handsome and still have a good time with my Friends and Family plan.Not sure I agree with that brother. Either way you are more charming than me and you definitely have more game.
Also totally agree with the hygiene comment. Just wearing those nasty flip flops all day everyday is going to cause major foot odor.
FuriousGeorge
01-16-24, 02:49
18 bucks is a deal breaker? You're there for a limited amount of time. Go nuts, splurge, get what you want. The cheapest I paid was 4. 5 k from Masquerade. I never asked the barfine price at any bar, and I never specified long or short time. Maybe that's why it was usually 5 k. Either way I gave them the option to stay or leave. It was about 50/50, those that slept over.
I also had a few sneak outs. Previous barfines who quit work early (like midnight) and just came over or met me at another bar. No price negotiated - at this point we were friendly and I just gave them what I thought was good.
5000 short time is getting pretty expensive. I paid 4000 at Bunny Bar, Another K bar for LT with a sexy 23 year old with no baby, BBFS one year ago. Have prices gone up that much? I would only consider paying 4,000 for ST for a baby-free 18-23 year old. I'the hope she'the be open to coming over before work for less, but my guess is that K girls won't do that.
I'll be back to find out next month.
FuriousGeorge
01-16-24, 03:07
That's a baller move. I may have to try it next time. Although I have a feeling that the mamasan is going to try to join in. Does this go down in the main bar area or upstairs?
On occasion I buy that place out and round robin the girls BJ Tokyo pink salon style.
One of the ladies there surprised me as she thought my dick was collapsible like a bendy straw. First time a girl in the AC stubbed my dick on her throat (great! That being said well worth the money. Far cry from the bar girls who try not to actually touch your dick when they give you a BJ. These are some of the hardest working ladies in AC and suck some of the most decrepit of dicks. So when I visit these places its one place I don't get stingy. Where else can you line up 4-5 Bjs in quick succession for a few k? Great way to start the day.
Member #4794
01-16-24, 03:55
That's a baller move. I may have to try it next time. Although I have a feeling that the mamasan is going to try to join in. Does this go down in the main bar area or upstairs?This is much easier to do in a proper brothel type situation. But at that place I rent out of the room upstairs or I negotiate the price into the bulk BJ package. Since each BJ is about 15 minutes I try to get them to come down to 1/4th or 1/2 of what they usually ask? And I have them rotate every 15 minutes. I would also save the most "doable" girl for last. Sometimes I negotiate a short time into the last girls session and try to get discounts on the 15 minutes BJs from the extra girls. If the mama tries to get in on the action I tell her she has to pay me.
This was easier to do on santos the rooms were not as bad upstairs, in those rooms I would get proper 4-6 vs1 barfine the whole bar because the inhouse ST is usually dirt cheap. That particular one is a proper shithole and I usually leave my pants on as I don't want splitters in my ass. That upstairs room is the stuff of nightmares. I imagine they could shoot a horror movie in that place without changing a thing, it ALMOST puts me off.
ShinyCrazy
01-16-24, 06:06
Full report to follow later, but a quick question for the experts:
Very experienced monger, but first time in AC. I made a 5000 LT arrangement with a girl in one of the most well reviewed bars here on ISG. She agreed to stay until 7 am and sex multiple times. Had a great hour with her and finished with pop number one. She stood up and got dressed to leave. WTF, I said. I walked her straight back to the bar and she admitted to the owner that she promised long time. The owner just looked at me and said "tough luck". WTF?? Is this normal operating procedure for AC? If so, I'm never coming back.
Expat American
01-16-24, 06:51
Full report to follow later, but a quick question for the experts:
Very experienced monger, but first time in AC. I made a 5000 LT arrangement with a girl in one of the most well reviewed bars here on ISG. She agreed to stay until 7 am and sex multiple times. Had a great hour with her and finished with pop number one. She stood up and got dressed to leave. WTF, I said. I walked her straight back to the bar and she admitted to the owner that she promised long time. The owner just looked at me and said "tough luck". WTF?? Is this normal operating procedure for AC? If so, I'm never coming back.It is in the new AC. Back in the day the girl would have never done this. All barfines were LT and if you had an issue the bar and mama-san would refund you or change girls. Now the girls are more interdependent contractors than employees and there are too many bars and too few girls. And even fewer decent looking girls. This is the downside of the pay upfront model in AC. Runners have become a common thing. AC is overpriced and the girls don't even look that good. There are better places to go. I used to love it and been there dozens of times over the last 20 years but I don't think I will go back.
FuriousGeorge
01-16-24, 06:52
Your experience is not 'normal' but it's not unheard of. You have to understand, that part of the draw of PH is it's fairly lawless. Hell, if I did to girls in US bars what I did every single night in AC I'd be handcuffed and carted away. That's part of the draw. With lawlessness occasionally come experiences like yours. Your dissatisfaction means nothing to the bar compared to chastising a beautiful high earner. Are you going to tell the police? Prostitution is illegal in The Philippines. Chalk it up to experience, understand that it may happen again, and move on. So you didn't cum in the morning. You'll be ok. On to the next. There are so many.
Full report to follow later, but a quick question for the experts:
Very experienced monger, but first time in AC. I made a 5000 LT arrangement with a girl in one of the most well reviewed bars here on ISG. She agreed to stay until 7 am and sex multiple times. Had a great hour with her and finished with pop number one. She stood up and got dressed to leave. WTF, I said. I walked her straight back to the bar and she admitted to the owner that she promised long time. The owner just looked at me and said "tough luck". WTF?? Is this normal operating procedure for AC? If so, I'm never coming back.
ShinyCrazy
01-16-24, 07:26
Your experience is not 'normal' but it's not unheard of. On to the next. There are so many.I'm starting to think that I should just assume that LT is actually ST in AC. My plan today is to hit the bars early, and get girl number one bar fined early. If she's a runner, I'll just go back out later and get a second girl. In Thailand, if I went back to the same bar and I snubbed her and picked someone else, the girl would be mortified in front of her bar girl friends. Here they would probably tag me as a sucker. At least the 10 k total for two bar fines would be the same as one bar fine in Makati. JFC. $100 for one pop in AC. Not what I expected.
WestCoast1
01-16-24, 07:35
The owner just looked at me and said "tough luck". WTF?? Is this normal operating procedure for AC? If so, I'm never coming back.Agree with EA / FG. An alternative is that you can out them here (name the bar, the girl, and / or mama), but if you do they will know who you are (most likely) and remember you if you go back in. There's really little downside in that, just that you'd probably be 86'd from that place.
ShinyCrazy
01-16-24, 07:57
An alternative is that you can out them here (Always best to post trip reports after you leave.
WestCoast1
01-16-24, 12:29
Always best to post trip reports after you leave.Good catch.
I think I only took 3 nights off (no sex).Oh, to be young again.
I saw a Korean dude barfine her within 3 minutes of meeting her. She changed and they walked out and she was back in exactly 18 minutes. Before I finished my drink. Dude, you have a stunner, enjoy it. Fascinating.Apparently he did enjoy her, but only for about 3 minutes. Guessing his place is a 7-minute tryke ride. The rest of the time was spent transporting her for the ditty and then back to the bar. Three, three, three.
Looking forward to retiring in this land some day.You're going to love it. You'll be able to take more than 3 nights off a month, breath for a minute, and enjoy the slow pace.
Until then. I will be back.Good report. Forrest Gump lives: Phils is like a box of chocolates; never know what you're going to get.
Expat American
01-16-24, 14:46
I'm starting to think that I should just assume that LT is actually ST in AC. My plan today is to hit the bars early, and get girl number one bar fined early. If she's a runner, I'll just go back out later and get a second girl. In Thailand, if I went back to the same bar and I snubbed her and picked someone else, the girl would be mortified in front of her bar girl friends. Here they would probably tag me as a sucker. At least the 10 k total for two bar fines would be the same as one bar fine in Makati. JFC. $100 for one pop in AC. Not what I expected.I'm hoping at least you didn't tip the runner. Some guys here complain about runners and then say they paid a 1000 P tip. If a girl runs she gets zero, zip, nada. Not even 100 P trike money. 5000 P (100 USD, 3500 B, 1. 5 M IDR) is exorbitant even for LT, let alone ST. In Thailand you get much hotter girls for less and don't even get me started about Indonesia. AC has had its time and the time has passed. Very average looking single moms for $100 USD per pop even with guaranteed BBFS is too much.
Full report to follow later, but a quick question for the experts:
Very experienced monger, but first time in AC. I made a 5000 LT arrangement with a girl in one of the most well reviewed bars here on ISG. She agreed to stay until 7 am and sex multiple times. Had a great hour with her and finished with pop number one. She stood up and got dressed to leave. WTF, I said. I walked her straight back to the bar and she admitted to the owner that she promised long time. The owner just looked at me and said "tough luck". WTF?? Is this normal operating procedure for AC? If so, I'm never coming back.When I was last in AC in 2007 my LTs all ended with the girl leaving my room in day light, sometimes even close to noon.
I'm starting to think that I should just assume that LT is actually ST in AC. My plan today is to hit the bars early, and get girl number one bar fined early. If she's a runner, I'll just go back out later and get a second girl. In Thailand, if I went back to the same bar and I snubbed her and picked someone else, the girl would be mortified in front of her bar girl friends. Here they would probably tag me as a sucker. At least the 10 k total for two bar fines would be the same as one bar fine in Makati. JFC. $100 for one pop in AC. Not what I expected.Or better still, don't barfine at all. The same girls are on PL and FB anyway and will be available for half the barfine for LT. Or if you do decide to barfine, always expect ST regardless of what the girl promises in the bar.
Freelance girls, with the pay after model, will almost always keep to their LT arrangement.
FuriousGeorge
01-17-24, 10:19
I go to AC to relax, drink, party, barhop, grab tits and ass, interview potential superstars, nap, relax again, and have lots of sex. The idea that you would travel all the way there to just get on Tinder and call over a freelancer to cum in, is completely foreign to me.
You can still party in bars without paying the barfine. There are also other places to drink, party, barhop and pickup freelancers if need be. HiSo may be gone (RIP), but there are plenty of new and old pretenders in its place filled with freelancers and civilian girls galore that are available to anyone with even the tiniest speck of rizz and a bit of cash in hand (obviously just don't lead with the cash LOL). Plenty of rooftop decks like aqua, La Grande, CPT, kandi etc also filled with freelancers (although many times they're already with their customers for the night).
Anyone not playing the online game in AC in 2024 is, well, good luck to them LOL. In a country where the top talent know their worth and are constantly online, you're really doing yourself a disservice if you feel you shouldn't be online where 95% if the available girls are.
Expat American
01-17-24, 17:05
I go to AC to relax, drink, party, barhop, grab tits and ass, interview potential superstars, nap, relax again, and have lots of sex. The idea that you would travel all the way there to just get on Tinder and call over a freelancer to cum in, is completely foreign to me.Yes but there are so few bars which are fun anymore. Girls in full length evening gowns sitting on stage and playing with their phones is not my idea of a party. And the places like Lollipop etc are full of has been over the hill single moms who still want 4 K to fuck. I'm not seeing the point anymore. Yes you can have fun there but there are much better places in Asia.
Member #4794
01-18-24, 06:09
Anyone not playing the online game in AC in 2024 is, well, good luck to them LOL. In a country where the top talent know their worth and are constantly online, you're really doing yourself a disservice if you feel you shouldn't be online where 95% if the available girls are.This is just not true, most of the country still is plagued with massive brownouts even in the more developed cities you have power outages that take down the whole infrastructure, the good looking girls still cannot afford cellphones unless they are already broken in. You might see a microcosm of girls online and via the walker fb and telegram groups but they are hardly 95% of the available girls. Most of the girls that work in bars in AC do not offer themselves up through a telegram or walker group this is just not the case. 95% of available girls are still hidden behind no cellphone and in the provinces / barangays. The women who NEED money are not online. Any girl who is on pina love / tinder / telegram / FB groups / ect. 113.9 million Filipinos and if you do a search on these platforms you won't find more than a few 100 active under 30 this is 1% of 1% not 95% the exact opposite imo. To find a girl of any real quality all you need to do is go to a barangay fiesta and announce you are looking for a girlfriend and find a girl in less than 5 minutes. You will have the whole area looking for something for you to have sex with that is non-pro. I would assert if you are mostly "online" you are doing yourself a disservice and paying inflated prices.
Some of the new bar girls you'll still see them with a nokia phone with just a keypad and they walk to the bar there's no way they are online or they pawned it to get to AC and the local bars in other locations these girls walk or take a trike to the bar and have no cellphone. What are they getting online with magic?
This is just not true, most of the country still is plagued with massive brownouts even in the more developed cities you have power outages that take down the whole infrastructure, the good looking girls still cannot afford cellphones unless they are already broken in. You might see a microcosm of girls online and via the walker fb and telegram groups but they are hardly 95% of the available girls. Most of the girls that work in bars in AC do not offer themselves up through a telegram or walker group this is just not the case. 95% of available girls are still hidden behind no cellphone and in the provinces / barangays. The women who NEED money are not online. Any girl who is on pina love / tinder / telegram / FB groups / ect. 113.9 million Filipinos and if you do a search on these platforms you won't find more than a few 100 active under 30 this is 1% of 1% not 95% the exact opposite imo. To find a girl of any real quality all you need to do is go to a barangay fiesta and announce you are looking for a girlfriend and find a girl in less than 5 minutes. You will have the whole area looking for something for you to have sex with that is non-pro. I would assert if you are mostly "online" you are doing yourself a disservice and paying inflated prices.
Some of the new bar girls you'll still see them with a nokia phone with just a keypad and they walk to the bar there's no way they are online or they pawned it to get to AC and the local bars in other locations these girls walk or take a trike to the bar and have no cellphone. What are they getting online with magic?According to statista, Philippines has an internet penetration rate of 75.33% and a mobile internet penetration rate of 73.63%.
There are a whopping 90.2 million Facebook users in the country out of a population of 117 million. You really believe the majority of pinays aren't online? Hahahaha.
You're seeing Nokia dumb phones in bars. I say you're going to the wrong bars. I can't recall the last Filipina I spoke to (in a bar or elsewhere) who didn't have a smart phone or access to one. My target market has always been 18-23 (maybe 24) yo and there are far more of them available online than in any walking street or perimeter bar at any given point of any day by a factor of 1 to 10,000 on the conservative side.
I get it, the bars are be all and end all for some punters. Stick to your tried and tested methods, and those of us who are more attuned to the 21st century will stick to ours. May the best method get the most LBFM creampies!
Member #4794
01-18-24, 13:04
I get it, the bars are be all and end all for some punters. Stick to your tried and tested methods, and those of us who are more attuned to the 21st century will stick to ours. May the best method get the most LBFM creampies!I use discord, whatsapp, telegram and FB but in person meetings is still the most productive method when it comes to "SEX". I don't see this as an either or situation. These methods go hand in hand. Just for some specificity the "dating apps" many of the the girls who are online on dating sites are the "usual suspects" girls who are either pro or are not wanted for a reason this as a whole is unappealing to me and while you can sometimes find a diamond its mostly trash. Going to a barangay in person or even a bar for that matter FAR exceeds online searching imo so people doing this are most certainly NOT missing out but an online element could compliment in their efforts. But online does have a place for preplanning while you are not in country or while with your current GF looking for the next one. I use online to meet a new crop of ladies, I use them for introductions for girls in an area I'm interested in who are not typically online.
EverythingThai
01-18-24, 13:32
I use discord, whatsapp, telegram and FB but in person meetings is still the most productive method when it comes to "SEX". I don't see this as an either or situation. These methods go hand in hand. Just for some specificity the "dating apps" many of the the girls who are online on dating sites are the "usual suspects" girls who are either pro or are not wanted for a reason this as a whole is unappealing to me and while you can sometimes find a diamond its mostly trash. Going to a barangay in person or even a bar for that matter FAR exceeds online searching imo so people doing this are most certainly NOT missing out but an online element could compliment in their efforts. But online does have a place for preplanning while you are not in country or while with your current GF looking for the next one. I use online to meet a new crop of ladies, I use them for introductions for girls in an area I'm interested in who are not typically online.Philippines just like Thailand, are where the ladies use dating apps to find customers. Meeting girls online for Pay for play instead of at the bar in both countries is very effective. There are very hot freelancers to be found in these dating apps and many punters swear by this method instead of going to the bars and paying bar fines. I use a combination of both. It depends on the situation for me, but to say one is better than the other, would be wrong. Most girls hate the guys who want to talk to them before coming. They only want to talk to people who are here and ready to meet. You are wrong about most of what you are saying. It's very old school. Times have changed.
EverythingThai
01-18-24, 13:36
Anyone not playing the online game in AC in 2024 is, well, good luck to them LOL. In a country where the top talent know their worth and are constantly online, you're really doing yourself a disservice if you feel you shouldn't be online where 95% if the available girls are.100% correct. Don't close the online door or you will miss out.
Agreed on all points.
Girls, especially the hottest P4 P girls are bombarded with so many messages these days (not just from us foreigners but also from pinoys) that many of them really don't have the processing power or will to communicate online unless you're already on the ground or are an idiot willing to send pesos to someone you've never met before. This isn't to say all the hot P4 P girls, you can still chat with some who will be willing to converse with dudes halfway around the world, but always realise she's also chatting with Gunther from Germany, Mario from Italy, Steve from Scotland, Brad from Canada, Sheikh from Oman, Baboy from the next Barangay over, Randy from Texas, Kims 1, 2, 3 and 4 from Korea, Chen from China, and heck maybe even Chester from Australia, and then there's you from wherever you're sending messages from.
There are so many online options for these girls (TikTok, insta, discord, Reddit, twitter / X, PL, bumble, FB etc), always remember it's simply your turn with her in situations like this.
ShinyCrazy
01-19-24, 04:50
Fields Avenue / Walking Street:
I have experience all over the world, but never made it to Angeles City until now. On my first night, I drank in a half dozen bars, alternating between San Miguel Light and soda water, trying to stay hydrated and keep my wits about me.
I read ISG and Philippines Addicts thoroughly before my trip and given the ISG comments about Lollipop, I started at Lollipop. Found two super cute 19 year olds who were friends from the same village and bought lady drinks and started to talk about bar fining them. They both rubbed themselves up and down my thigh. They would only do ST for 5 k. Wouldn't budge. I offered to take both of them for 10 k, but only if they stayed LT until 7 am. Wouldn't budge. So two lady drinks wasted. From my reading, I had the impression that AC was the place for LT. Little did I know that LT in AC from one of the more attractive bar girls is apparently very unlikely. Doubly true for the younger fresher girls. A street girl, with the attendant risks of STD, would probably be thrilled to spend the whole night in a clean pleasant hotel and share breakfast with you and might only charge 2 k, but the bar girls won't be. They are planning to head back to the bar for guy number two, just like in Nana in Bangkok. Left Lollipop and moved on.
Went to Geckos next door, then Avalon (which had a halfway decent light show and choreographed dancing), then Lucifer's and Masqerades, Club Sky, and Carousel. I probably stuck my head in 10 bars and had drinks at 6. I repeated that pattern each night. For the most part, the range of girls seemed similar between the bars, with maybe some slightly prettier ones at Lollipop. I believe it was Geckos that had more homely older girls, but that could just be my timing. I went in Champagne multiple times on multiple nights are there was only one or two girls on stage. Two different girls in two different bars happily took a lady drink and we chatted. I eventually starting discussing bar fining and they proceeded to tell me that they were menstruating. Two more lady drinks wasted.
Overall, the bars seemed to vary more by the size and ambiance rather than the quality of the girls. Some bars were big with dance shows and lots of girls (50+), some bars were tiny and had only 8-10 girls, some bars were deadsville with only one or two girls. Some bars were obviously aimed at a Korean clientele, with the girls dressed in chaste and elegant evening gowns covering up their saggy mom belly and the girls were staring into space and looking very unthreatening and meek and unsmiling. Some bars were obviously aimed at the American clientele, with girls dressed in bikinis (or topless) and staring right at you with bedroom eyes and happy to sit in your lap, rubbing your cock. I will never understand why the Korean guys seem to have no libido or interest in raunch. They seem to want a fragile sexless China doll, rather than a LBFM. Glad we aren't competing for the same girls. Several girls that I liked told me that the Korean guys "didn't like their beauty", meaning they were too brown or too sexy, I guess. In particular, I am thinking of one thin girl who looked Indonesian in a very pretty way.
In the bigger bars, you are often very far from the girls. That can lead to problems. Sometimes the girl looks cute on stage, then when she gets close to share a lady drink, you realize your error. Bad acne scars or crooked tooth with gaps or whatever. At this point, it was heading towards 10 pm and I didn't have a definite girl yet, so I decided to go back to Lollipop. That was a mistake.
Picked a boobsy girl named Lisa. She agreed to LT until 7 am. Had a wonderful hour with her, although she was fairly passive like all of the Filipina girls I've been with on this trip (unlike Latinas who will smother you in passionate kisses and writhe their booty and actually earn the abbreviation LBFM), and I delivered my first shot on goal. She promptly stood up and said her grandma was calling her and she had to leave. I couldn't believe it. A runner for my very first girl in AC! I was having a great time and she seemed to be enjoying herself as well. I didn't understand. I told her that leaving after only one hour was unacceptable. I said that she had agreed to stay until 7 am. I told her we would discuss this with the bar owner, and I got dressed. She huffed and puffed and we walked all the way back to Lollipop from ABC hotel.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, the bar owner basically told me "tough luck". No money back. He wouldn't stand up for his customer. Didn't even reprimand the girl, even after she admitted to him that she had promised LT until 7 am. So, instead of 8 hour LT, she stayed for one hour ST and kept the payment for LT. Obviously, I was ripped off and I made it clear to the bar owner that I would let the ISG community know that he doesn't defend his customers. There are plenty of other bars with the same quality of girls. These bar managers need to know that they are losing business before they will change their ways and defend their customers. The rest of my trip, I avoided Lollipop like the plague.
The highlight of all of the girls for me was a girl named May from Skyfall. Skyfall was a very friendly bar with tons of girls around 7 pm and the girls were punchy and flirty. The party atmosphere was very good. Everyone seemed happy, including the girls, the waitresses, and the mamasan. I scanned all of the girls and one girl's face really stood out as pretty. I must say that at least 50% of the girls in the bars of AC have what I would describe as a coarse ugly face. Their bodies vary. They might have an ugly face, but a body that is near perfect. Or they may have a really cute face, but the body is a disappointment. To find the pretty face on an attractive body, that was the real struggle in AC. I would say 1-2 girls per bar in AC meet that goal, at most. May had a very pretty face, but I could not fully assess the body, since her outfit was not revealing enough. Regardless, I ended up bar fining her based on her pretty face. The mamasan was thrilled for some reason. I suspected that it was May's first bar fine, because she did look fresh, but when I asked if she had been bar fined before, she said yes. Could be a lie, of course. The mamasan was thrilled to hear that I was at ABC Hotel. She told me that it was the nicest hotel in town. I nodded. She chatted me up and seemed to be checking me out and vetting me to protect May. Overall, Skyfall has a very enthusiastic and supportive mamasan and a good vibe, and that is a good thing. In the room, May was very shy at first, and she told me she was 18 yo. When the clothes came off, wow! Basically a perfect body. Perfect "see" cups, nice curves, no baby fat, just a perfect nubile body with a super cute face. A tiny freckle near her perfect belly button. No tattoos or stretch marks. A perfect body! A unicorn! She was very passive, but for an 18 yo with a killer body and smile, I can ignore that. I did have to gently remove her phone from her hand and place it aside. It is amazing how girls could actually stare at their phones while having sex. Now that is an addiction! She also was either super shy or her English was very limited. Given the fact that she was 18 yo and from the "province", I am guessing that she was both. When comparing The Philippines to Thailand, I would not say that the girls are easier to communicate with in The Philippines. English seems to be the second language for all of the Filipina girls, at least the ones from the "provinces", just like in Thailand. The Thai girls are much less shy and a little more worldly, so in my experience, the conversations are actually easier in Thailand. The Thai girls will say I look like a movie star. I'm not convinced that many of the provincial Filipino girls have ever gone to a movie. You could tell that she truly didn't realize how spectacular her body was. She was wide eyed and humble.
Mongering is like gambling. After a losing streak, for example you pick a girl with a stretch marked mommy belly or deflated saggy tits because she hid them well under her clothes or the girl turns out to be cold in bed or you have a flagging erection because the girl decides to pick a fight about using a condom for a blow job despite promising bare, you start to question the whole endeavor. Maybe you should just quit this whole mongering thing. Too much hassle for MILFs with poor service. Might as well jerk off for free. Then you hit the jackpot: May at Skyfall. Heartbreakingly beautiful 18 yo with perfect breasts and perfect skin. And all is right with the world. I took her upstairs to see the pool bar on the roof of ABC Hotel, which she enjoyed, but she didn't want to stay for a round of drinks. She doesn't drink alcohol. Yep. Young. Inexperienced. Feeling overwhelmed, like a fish out of water. The funny part is that once she put on her street clothes to leave, she was totally nondescript. Her breasts and body were completely obscured by the relatively frumpy outfit. Little would anyone know how great she looks naked.
Getting PREP:
I had actually arrived in AC early in the afternoon and before hitting the bars, I tried to see if I could get PREP from the local STD clinic. I knew that BBFS is common in Angeles and I didn't want to bring any bugs home with me, in case of condom malfunction etc. I had already researched DoxyPrep, which is basically antibiotic coverage for syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia. You take one 100 MG tablet of doxycycline per day. Regular PREP is two antivirals in one pill (Truvada) that you take daily to prevent HIV infection. I wanted to be protected by both Prep and DoxyPrep. So, I searched on the internet and found the STD clinic called "Bale Angeleno". You can find it in Google maps, about 10 minute walk from Walking Street. Just walked in, and told them that I wanted PREP for unprotected holiday sex. They drew my blood and performed an HIV test, syphilis test, and hepatitis test. Gave me the results (negative) in about 15 minutes. They also needed a recent creatinine test to prove I had good kidneys to handle the medicine. Thankfully, I already had the results on my phone from my last checkup. However, when the nurse sat down to dispense the meds, she asked about where I was from, and basically told me that their free Truvada supply is only available for people who can't afford it (not American tourists, for example). She referred me to the "Lakan Community Center", another 15 minute walk away. I tried to offer money, but she wouldn't or couldn't take it. Funny side note: Apparently, the downstairs part of the Bale Angeleno clinic is for educating the bar girls and performing their required screening tests. I tried to approach the desk there, and saw a few dozen girls watching a "hygiene" slide show of closeup pictures of genital warts. The front desk girl directed me upstairs to the STD clinic instead.
So, I walked to the Lakan Community Center next. They were surprised that the first clinic sent me there, because their Truvada supply was also free (and also presumably targeted at people who can't afford it). Again, I offered to pay for it or donate money to the clinic, but they wouldn't or couldn't take it (the box of Truvada specifically says that it can't be sold) and eventually just gave it to me for free. They also gave me special info about getting my free monthly supply refilled (they were assuming, I guess, that I planned to reside long term in AC). I felt a little guilty taking free medicine, but I tried multiple times to pay for it and they refused. In the end, I figured that it benefits the Philippines to have mongers use PREP to protect the bar girls and didn't feel as guilty. Seems to me that they should open a PREP and DoxyPREP clinic for tourists and charge some reasonable amount for the service, then use the money to fund more coverage for poor Filipinos. If you want to use PREP, I would suggest that you try to secure some Truvada in your home country, but barring that, I thought I would post my experience so other ISGers can protect themselves and the girls. Be aware that a high percentage of AC bar girls who offer BBFS are not on birth control and expect you to practice coitus interruptus, pull out at the last minute, and deposit on her belly. Like a Catholic high school dance in 1965. What's the point of that? The moment of supreme pleasure is ruined by that. Better to use a condom and maybe skip the PREP altogether if that is what is meant by BBFS in AC. I did encounter one girl who had the birth control meds in tubes under the skin, which she proudly showed me. As always, pack your own favorite condoms, since the local ones are crap. Personally, I vote for the Trojan Ecstasy condoms. They have a weird shape with a huge bulbous part at the reservoir end and are fairly tight at the base. Basically feels like you are wearing a cock ring, but you are bare. Put a little lube on the head of your cock first before donning the condom. Having tried pretty much all of the normal condoms on the market, including the super duper thin Japanese ones, I have found that these are the closest to being bare.
Angeles City:
Angeles City has been described on ISG as a "shithole", and that does pretty accurately describe the Fields Avenue area. The sidewalk is busted up with puddles of fetid liquid and two foot deep holes perfect for breaking your ankle, aromas of urine and burning plastic in the air, homeless drug addicts sleeping against the buildings, motorcycle trikes everywhere with the noise and pollution, and the area has basically nothing worthwhile except the bars. The shops are nasty little subsistence survival shops with the bare bare essentials. They have storefront "drugstores" where they lock cheapo shampoo behind glass, like a precious jewel. You will not want to pass your time "window shopping" in AC. The restaurants also largely look dangerously unappetizing, likely rife with coliform bacteria. I stuck to eating in Kokomo and the Thai place next to ABC Hotel. There is simply nothing to do in AC. No charm whatsoever. I am not exaggerating. NOTHING. I tried to go for a walk to the Clark Mall, which required crossing multiple lanes of highway traffic without any crosswalk, like the 80's Frogger video game. The mall was mostly lower end generic mall shops, with nothing luxurious or interesting, unlike the Greenbelt or Powerplant malls in Makati. They did have a movie theater. If I were stuck in AC long term, I would probably visit the theater daily, although I bet they only show brainless Hollywood car chases and superhero junk. The diet of AC (and the Philippines in general) is the most sugary food ever created. The mall had a special area for startup businesses, and I kid you not, every single one was a selling a sugary confection, like cupcakes or candy. No wonder the older girls look diabetic.
AC makes Pattaya look like an ultra-luxury resort destination. If you want sex everywhere and also have a pleasant daytime, and are planning to stay for more than a few days, for God's sake, don't come to AC. Just go to Pattaya. It is sex and pretty much nothing else here, and the sex is no better or cheaper than Soi 6. Go to Pattaya where you have legal weed and the bar experience hasn't been totally emasculated into a G rated model by Koreans lacking confidence with sexually active girls. Plus Pattaya has beaches and great Thai food and cool Buddhist temples.
ABC Hotel:
The ABC hotel is the most amazing oasis on the edge of this hellhole. The rooms are practically soundproof, tastefully luxurious, and the pools and outdoor areas are like a literal oasis. It is like an alternate reality from the squalor of Fields Avenue. For what you get, it is a seriously good deal. The restaurant is very good, with healthy breakfast options and great coffee. They have two different bank ATMs in the lobby, so you can snag cash before throwing yourself into the chaos outside. If you tell a bar girl or mamasan that you are staying at ABC, they will light up. Most of the time, I just walked back and forth from ABC to the bars. It is kinda silly to get a motorcycle trike, since you can walk it in 5-10 minutes, and the trikes look like a severe injury just waiting to happen. The rooftop swim club and bar is off the charts great. Really like a top notch resort pool at a chic resort. Sitting by the pool, looking at the girls that the other guys have brought, reading a book, swimming, sunning yourself, having cocktails, eating very good and healthy food. The owner of ABC hotel should be made mayor of AC and fix the rest of the filthy squalor. I've been to poor countries around the world, and so many of them have a sense of pride and beauty despite the poverty and you can see it in their faces, but not AC. Angeles City is just depressing. I mean, for god's sake, Laos is one of the poorest countries in the world, yet Vientiane and Luang Prabang are among the most beautiful and charming places to visit. Maybe put in some decent sidewalks, some clean safe parks, make plans for some other tourist attractions. ABC Hotel pretty much saved my experience of AC. Without it, I would have felt like it was the worst decision in the world to visit AC. I felt imprisoned in AC, nothing to do and surrounded by squalor. If you stay at ABC, at least your cage is gilded.
Strategy / Planning:
By the end of a few days, I had tried almost every single bar on "Walking Street" (which is basically just an extension of Fields Avenue). I doubt that any precise description of a specific bar on the night I visited would matter to you. The girl quality in a given bar seems to change by the hour. As I mentioned earlier, the only meaningful difference is the ambiance of the bar: Stick your head in past the curtain. If you like the vibe, then sit down and look at the girls for a few minutes and order a beer or soda water. It's basically $3 US to sit for a while. Budget $20-30 bucks and you can try out 8-10 bars. I often left after only a few sips of my beer, when I realized that none of the girls appealed to me. Glad that soda water is an option. With all of the beers, I'm at risk of growing a beer belly. I had read that the shows at XS are worth your time, and I guess I agree, but when I spoke to the mamasan, she couldn't find a single girl that I liked and who would go with a western guy. None. So, XS is fine for watching the show, but not for bar fining. According to one of the girls, the XS bar is owned by an American (guess all of the Wolfpack group of bars have the same American owner) and the manager is a Korean, and the girls really like the American owner. Regardless of ownership, the girls don't like to bar fine with Americans.
Since there is literally NOTHING to do in AC, plan to hang around the pool at ABC during the day and read a book or go to Clark mall and see a movie, then go to the bars early. Some open as early as noon, in fact I think one or two are open 24 hours. The "better" ones open at 6 pm. Squeeze in your early dinner at 5 pm, then hit the bars. Since LT with a decent bar girl is seemingly mythical in AC, I would aim for 2ST girls instead. One early, around 8-9 pm after a few hours of bar hopping. Then, girl number two around 11-12 midnight.
By the way, I tried the massage place on Walking Street named Tarana Gookje. It was clean and pleasant and located upstairs across the street from Masquerade. Guess what? Two hours of foot and body massage and they don't offer extras! That's right. "Not allowed, sir. There are girls outside for that. " Crazy. I somehow found the only massage place in AC that doesn't offer a HJ ending.
For daily budgeting, with an exchange rate of 55 pesos to the US dollar, I would figure the following:
AC hotel $120.
2 bar girls at 5 k each $182.
10 Beers or soda waters $25.
Lady drinks for 6 ladies $38.
3 meals at ABC hotel's in house restaurant at 800 k each $43.
That's a total of $408 US dollars per day for all expenses and sex with two girls and (if you choose one of American style bars) some nice lap dances and handsy explorations of 6 girls. The lady drinks at the Korean bars get you nothing but a girl sitting next you being "proper" and meek. Yes, of course, you can be much much cheaper, but why travel to a shithole to treat yourself like shit? The ATMs in the Philippines seem to max out at 10 k per day, which should cover your bar girl expenses, but not enough to cover your hotel and restaurant expenses. You would most likely use a credit card for the hotel and in house restaurant, but you might want to open a second checking account so that you can get enough money out to cover your fun by drawing 10 k x 2 = 20 k per day.
That's not cheap, but compares favorably to most places, except perhaps the Santa Fe red light district of Bogota, which has to be the cheapest sex destination I've ever visited. Was around $6 for 20 minutes before the pandemic, as I remember. Would I return to AC? Nope. The only scenario that I could envision would be a blow out bachelor party type event at ABC hotel with a group of guys. It would be pretty ideal for that. You could pretty much just camp out at ABC and just pick up girls from the bars and enjoy the big pool bar. I'm sure you could find a similar luxury resort type hotel with a fun pool bar in Pattaya. I've just never looked.
Otherwise, the lack of any normal tourist potential just kills the appeal of AC for me.
ILuvBrownGirls
01-19-24, 08:28
I am getting ready to go to the airport now. I second the previous poster's observations 100%. The Fields Avenue area is dirty, dingy and largely depressing. I spent 80 pesos on adobo to feed to a starving puppy. That is the kind of place it is. That said, you can still have a great time mongering. Here are my general observations from someone who was previously there in 2010,2011 and 2016.
Perimeter Road mongering was a bust for me this trip. In 2010-2011, the great majority of my barfines were west of ABC hotel. The girls seemed friendlier and there was no lack of cuties. Plus you could start your day at 11 am and find a lot of quality until Perimeter died down and Fields picked up around 6 pm. A lot of those bars are closed now and the ones that remain open didn't have anyone that I would want to sleep with under any circumstances. They seemed to be places where grumpy old American expats could drink, play pool and complain about Koreans. Maybe Perimeter is still recovering from COVID but it is also possible that the clientele for Perimeter is dying off as the veterans from Clarke and Subic bases get old and start fading out. I had a few drinks at Garfields and talked to one of the aging bartenders about trends she sees in AC these days. Other than that, unless you are an AC history nerd, I wouldn't recommend mongering west of ABC.
Koreans are the driving force now. Korean restaurants line Fields Avenue and most of the bars are either Korean owned or managed. That said, money is money. I had one girl at XS say she only goes with Koreans but other than that, they all seemed available to me. I had several girls state that they specifically avoid Koreans just like some are into black guys and some will refuse a barfine for the same reason. People have preferences. In this regard it is not that different than 2011.
My first barfine was Kay from Tarlac at Club XS and she certainly had the "Korean" look. Evening gown, Asian style eye make up, ribbon in her hair and giving off very reserved vibes. As I am a history nerd, I was staying in Brass Knob for my first night before going to ABC (Brass Knob is super bare bones but manageable). She gave good service and then was out the door. We had previously agreed to ST so I was more than fine with it, especially since I wanted to explore more.
Second barfine was a dancer at Camelot. Cute, tiny, tiny girl who went three rounds and was happy to LT in Brass Knob. I didn't even ask her to stay, she just did and it wasn't even late. Probably around 1030 at the end of round one.
Third was a girl from Viking Bar. Viking day shift is by far the hottest collection of girls I saw during my five days there. By far. Less than a third of the bars had anyone on staff that I wanted to fuck when I stuck my head past the curtain. At one point, Viking had 13 girls on stage and I would have happily had any of them. I chose a big boned 21 yo Pampangan with a 42" ass because she had a 42" ass. That is not something you see much in AC. She was built more like a well fed Colombian hooker than anything else. Plus she was cute and bubbly. Ended up doing ST because she lived with family and they didn't know she was working in a bar. A few nights later, she invented a cover story and then stayed overnight in ABC. Just FYI, apparently Viking day shift is moving to Arabesque next week and night shift is a very different quality as there is a different manager.
Fourth was a girl from Bar-Nana. Blonde, cute face and rocking body. Nice tits and a big round firm ass. Barfine around 1 pm, by 2 pm we had finished round 1 and I expected her to go. I told her she was welcome to go back to work or stay and she decided to stay. It could certainly be the ABC effect. She was fun to be around and super nice with good service.
Fifth was from Hi Quality, a bar that sounds kinda like an old Perimeter name or Asian. Picked up a real cutie, 20, from Samar. Great charlie-cup tits and ass, no kids so tight body. Great service. I specified ST because I was meeting another girl later. Great pick although the rest of the lineup was not the greatest looking.
Last barfine of the trip was a waitress from Viking. Super pretty face, could easily pass for Colombian. Another 40" plus ass and that is my poison. I only had time for ST and she delivered and then some. A few kids but still a nice mommy body plus as a slightly older woman she had a sexy mature vibe that is sometimes appealing when you have been dealing with non-stop giggles and selfies for the past few days.
5 K seems to be the price on Fields although a few were 4. 5 K, if it was early. One of the 4. 5 k girls stayed overnight so I guess it doesn't always imply short time either. In 2011, I think there were a few select dancers at Atlantis that were 3 k but the spotlight girls were typically 1. 8 or 2 k. Prices are higher. I ran into cash withdrawal issues since my bank has a $500 daily max. I don't really mind the prices from a financial perspective since I am just here on vacay but from a logistical perspective, it made my cash tight a few times.
The girls are not as wild anymore. Most of them didn't even know what a "3-holer" was let alone entertain the idea of taking it up the ass. Most of them were still amenable to receiving rimming but beyond that, they threw the brakes on. My usual finish with both civvies as well as bargirls is usually doggy with a thumb in the back but this never happened on this trip. In 2011, it was pretty much universal. Additionally, it seems like CIM and CIMWS were hard to come by. I suppose my standards are higher now and I barfine with what I perceive to be the top 10% of the girls so that is probably a factor as well. I am sure the bakla that follows you around after you cross Santos Street is probably down for whatever but that's not my personal jam.
Conclusion: It is still a good time, Koreans are the dominant market force, it's more expensive and overall milder sex. GFE is still very much a thing if you are a nice person and not hideous. I would still put AC head and shoulders above the FKK scene in Germany, the Campo scene in Curacao (RIP) or anything I have experienced in the US.
Expat American
01-19-24, 08:59
For daily budgeting, with an exchange rate of 55 pesos to the US dollar, I would figure the following:
AC hotel $120.
2 bar girls at 5 k each $182.
10 Beers or soda waters $25.
Lady drinks for 6 ladies $38.
3 meals at ABC hotel's in house restaurant at 800 k each $43.
That's not cheap, but compares favorably to most places, except perhaps the Santa Fe red light district of Bogota, which has to be the cheapest sex destination I've ever visited. Was around $6 for 20 minutes before the pandemic, as I remember. Would I return to AC? Nope. The only scenario that I could envision would be a blow out bachelor party type event at ABC hotel with a group of guys. It would be pretty ideal for that. You could pretty much just camp out at ABC and just pick up girls from the bars and enjoy the big pool bar. I'm sure you could find a similar luxury resort type hotel with a fun pool bar in Pattaya. I've just never looked.
Otherwise, the lack of any normal tourist potential just kills the appeal of AC for me.Nice report. Your budget is a high end visit and most people won't spend $400 per day to fuck 2 girls in a shit hole. You could stay at Central park for about half the ABC price and since all girls have become ST anyway go and pick a freelancer or ST bar girl from a one of the Santos street bars for 1500 P and fuck 3 for the price of one stuck up bar girl. Once in a while you can find a new 18 yo cutie there as well if you are lucky. But over all, I agree, there is no reason to go back to AC. I will forever have my memories (and videos) of the golden days and that will have to be enough. I have moved to a new playground now.
Member #4794
01-19-24, 17:47
5 K seems to be the price on Fields although a few were 4. 5 K, if it was early. One of the 4. 5 k girls stayed overnight so I guess it doesn't always imply short time either. In 2011, I think there were a few select dancers at Atlantis that were 3 k but the spotlight girls were typically 1. 8 or 2 k. Prices are higher. I ran into cash withdrawal issues since my bank has a $500 daily max. I don't really mind the prices from a financial perspective since I am just here on vacay but from a logistical perspective, it made my cash tight a few times.
.I get around this by sending myself money though my GF via gcash.
BUT you can also sign up for extra debit cards from a few different banks and move over the money you want to withdraw. This makes that $500 possible 500 x2 or 500 x3 some of these banks let you set a max withdraw limit. Wize is a good option for an extra debit card. When you return to your home country you can transfer the unused the funds back into your normal account. A robinhood debit card has a $1000 withdraw limit however ATM's themselves have a daily limit as well so you would have to hunt down another physical machine if your card has a higher limit than the ATM daily limit. I personally have 5 ATM cards that's about 4000 withdrawable per day for me.
Just as a caveat on payday almost ALL of the atms in AC will be out of cash and you'll have to line up at an actual branch ATM such as SM clark as they refill these as soon as they are out.
I get around this by sending myself money though my GF via gcash.
BUT you can also sign up for extra debit cards from a few different banks and move over the money you want to withdraw. This makes that $500 possible 500 x2 or 500 x3 some of these banks let you set a max withdraw limit. Wize is a good option for an extra debit card. When you return to your home country you can transfer the unused the funds back into your normal account. A robinhood debit card has a $1000 withdraw limit however ATM's themselves have a daily limit as well so you would have to hunt down another physical machine if your card has a higher limit than the ATM daily limit. I personally have 5 ATM cards that's about 4000 withdrawable per day for me.
Just as a caveat on payday almost ALL of the atms in AC will be out of cash and you'll have to line up at an actual branch ATM such as SM clark as they refill these as soon as they are out.I haven't been to AC, but it is easy to send money to yourself. It is not hard to set up a gcash for yourself and to verify, as long as you have a Philippines phone number. I use Sendwave to send money to my gcash and can then cash out at any number of places for a charge of around 15 pesos per thousand. I have also used Sendwave to send money to myself and picked up at a Cebuena before, too.
Member #4794
01-19-24, 18:29
I haven't been to AC, but it is easy to send money to yourself. It is not hard to set up a gcash for yourself and to verify, as long as you have a Philippines phone number. I use Sendwave to send money to my gcash and can then cash out at any number of places for a charge of around 15 pesos per thousand. I have also used Sendwave to send money to myself and picked up at a Cebuena before, too.I have actually tried many time to set up a gcash over the years and they always ask for residency proof. When I eventually get that SSRV I will do this. I have been declined about 5 times now for a gcash account I don't know if things have changed recently.
WestCoast1
01-20-24, 00:07
I haven't been to AC, but it is easy to send money to yourself. It is not hard to set up a gcash for yourself and to verify, as long as you have a Philippines phone number. I use Sendwave to send money to my gcash and can then cash out at any number of places for a charge of around 15 pesos per thousand. I have also used Sendwave to send money to myself and picked up at a Cebuena before, too.GC cash-out is only available for fully verified accounts. The GC cashout rate is 2%. One percent goes to GC, and the other one percent goes to the cash-out facility. GC cashout can be done at most remit places such as Cebuana, M Lhuillier, and LBC; also at many other places: Family Mart, 7-11, PureGold, SM, Robinson's, Palawan, and RD Pawnshops.
Other locations, non-official GC outlets, charge exorbitant cash-out rates. Sari stores might charge 20% of your girl's cash-out. You send her p500, but she will only receive 400 at the sari.
You can also cash out at ATM's with a GC Mastercard (fees apply).
Technically, foreigners aren't eligible for GC accounts. However, money flows from foreigners bank accounts to his GC account (where there is an exchange rate loss for the foreigner), then to his filipina's account (no loss for anyone), and finally she will cash-out and GC will retain 1% of that. So I'm guessing that's why they allow permanent residents to have said account.
Another advantage of GC is that it acts like a debit card at many businesses where the business does not accept cards. Most pinoy with a phone now have a GC account. You can GC your taxi driver at the end of a ride. You can GC at many mall stores that don't accept cards. And in the market many vendors take GC now. They often have a picture of a QR code at the outlet; your GC app will scan the QR code, you enter the sale amount, the app confirms the vendor's name, and wala you have made your payment. Many Angkas and Joyride drivers accept GC.
GC is great for passing around money instantly to your girl, without fees. Previously you had to go to a remit place, fill out a form and so forth, and pay a fee. Or previously you would go online to your account in order to send, and pay a fee. Now you just send Jenny a quick pxxx when needed. The downside of GC is their fees on cash-in and cash-out.
https://getcash.ph/gcash/gcash-cash-out/
Why not just bring crisp new $$$ bills?
No problems then. No need to rely on ATMs. Cebuana has a max of 50 k pesos per transfer.
FuriousGeorge
01-20-24, 03:58
Not sure why people just don't go to their local US ATM and bring a few grand in hundreds and change them out as needed. But, I do have it on good authority that the ATM at T-Backs gives way more than 10 k. I can't remember the actual limit but it's pretty high.
WestCoast1
01-20-24, 08:00
Why not just bring crisp new $$$ bills? No problems then. No need to rely on ATMs. Cebuana has a max of 50 k pesos per transfer.
Not sure why people just don't go to their local US ATM and bring a few grand in hundreds and change them out as needed. But, I do have it on good authority that the ATM at T-Backs gives way more than 10 k. I can't remember the actual limit but it's pretty high.All good ideas for the warriors. Those of us that live here must have ways to get our money from the home country to us here in Phils. Choices become: Remit, GC-type xfer, or ATM. GC is technically free, but you pay the price in the exchange rate.
A number of services will transmit your home country bank account money directly to your GC account in Phils instantly. I think Remitly and Wise have been mentioned. Once its in my GC, I can use that to pay people here (or get paid) in phils for any number of needs: Rent, utilities, Grab / Ankas, metered taxi drivers, most stores (includes saris and many wet market vendors), send to girls, send / receive any biz partner who has a verified GC account. Almost everyone here, from my foreigner friends to pinoys, has an account. GC is very popular here.
All good ideas for the warriors. Those of us that live here must have ways to get our money from the home country to us here in Phils. Choices become: Remit, GC-type xfer, or ATM. GC is technically free, but you pay the price in the exchange rate.
A number of services will transmit your home country bank account money directly to your GC account in Phils instantly. I think Remitly and Wise have been mentioned. Once its in my GC, I can use that to pay people here (or get paid) in phils for any number of needs: Rent, utilities, Grab / Ankas, metered taxi drivers, most stores (includes saris and many wet market vendors), send to girls, send / receive any biz partner who has a verified GC account. Almost everyone here, from my foreigner friends to pinoys, has an account. GC is very popular here.I didn't really have a problem verifying my gcash. I had to do two times because it didn't accept my selfie the first time for some reason. I'm not a permanent resident, but I do have a partner with an address in the province.
Gcash is really good. I send to my gcash account using Sendwave, and it is accepted by so many people. Even many market vendors in the province. And it is good for sending cash to people on short notice. As I said, the cash out rate for me was 15 pesos per thousand at a public market. And it is good for emergencies. My girl in Davao had to evacuate because of flooding a couple of days ago and forgot to bring her money with her. I told her to go to a hotel for her and her kid and ask about gcash. I paid for her room from the US using my verified gcash account. The next day, she cashed into her gcash and paid me back. To me, it is a lot like Zelle or cash app here in the US except that many businesses accept it as payment. If you're in the Philippines for a week or two, don't bother with it. But if you're a repeat visitor and are there for several weeks each year, it's so convenient.
WestCoast1
01-20-24, 12:13
I have experience all over the world, but never made it to Angeles City until now. On my first night, I drank in a half dozen bars, alternating between San Miguel Light and soda water, trying to stay hydrated and keep my wits about me.
Conclusion: It is still a good time, Koreans are the dominant market force, it's more expensive and overall milder sex. GFE is still very much a thing if you are a nice person and not hideous. I would still put AC head and shoulders above the FKK scene in Germany, the Campo scene in Curacao (RIP) or anything I have experienced in the US.Gents excellent reports, a telling-it-like-it-is. So happy to see several descriptive FR's in one week that I thought I should post a pic.
Some great reports by ILuvBrownGirls and ShinyCrazy. I envy them their erudition, even making allowances for my first language is not English. I will be in Angeles later this week for an extended stay, though l will only post a recap after it is over, much as they did.
The benefit of Angeles is it is handy but, as pointed out, there are hotels and women and nothing else. I have leads in nearby places but I think it important to proceed with caution. I will get some minor medical and dental things done first off and maybe, having extended my visa, I will hump off somewhere else. The problem with that is I am not going for the sightseeing.
Also, though I have the chance of an orgy / gang bang, I feel they will stiff me big time with the bil and even more as they are too open.
Communicating with these women is a nightmare as they feel we have nothing else to do but chat BS on wattsapp / social media. Being away from home for an extended period means a lot of things have to be done beforehand and they don't understand that, as all they do is sit by a laptop of phone, fishing / phishing for horny old duded like me (and thee?
Member #4794
01-21-24, 16:05
Communicating with these women is a nightmare as they feel we have nothing else to do but chat BS on wattsapp / social media. Being away from home for an extended period means a lot of things have to be done beforehand and they don't understand that, as all they do is sit by a laptop of phone, fishing / phishing for horny old duded like me (and thee?What kind of woman is on call 24/7 and will meet with you at a drop of a hat? For a day? Or week? Its not going to be anyone who has important shit to attend to. This is a double edged sword. Since they don't have anything to do regardless of how busy you are they will bother you relentlessly "its more fun in the philippines". Which is why I usually ghost most of these women after I depart. "they don't understand" and no matter how you may communicate that you are busy making money or dying they could give 2 shits what your situation is just part of the game. I deal with his by cutting communication with any girl that tries to invade my time they would need to pay me much more than 5 k to get me to service them.
What kind of woman is on call 24/7 and will meet with you at a drop of a hat? For a day? Or week? Its not going to be anyone who has important shit to attend to..I'd agree. It's amazing the number of girls who can chat for two hours while supposedly at work.
I remember being surprised once when I was chatting with a girl only to be told that she was happy to talk later but stop disturbing her as she was at work. That's very rare.
I guess it's easy to understand when you walk into any business and can see 20 girls just milking around, not really doing anything productive.
Enjoy. G.
Which is why I usually ghost most of these women after I depart...I've never understood why guys still interact with girls for months before or after being in town. All it does is chew up his time and allow ample opportunity for funding sick grandma for no return.
"Hey babe. I'm back in town. Want to drop around after work tomorrow?" Makes much more sense to me.
Enjoy. G.
...The benefit of Angeles is it is handy but, as pointed out, there are hotels and women and nothing else...I find AC works well as a transit stop rather than a destination in itself:
I can only handle the city for 3 or 4 days.
It's airport has arrivals and departures from nearly anywhere in PI. Stops in AC, MNL and CEB seem to fit in well with the Philippines hub and spoke air transport model.
Relatively western hotels, meals etc can be welcome after a while in the provinces.
I definitely find more, better and more enjoyable girls in the provinces but, like always, YMMV.
Enjoy. G.
I find AC works well as a transit stop rather than a destination in itself:
I can only handle the city for 3 or 4 days.
It's airport has arrivals and departures from nearly anywhere in PI. Stops in AC, MNL and CEB seem to fit in well with the Philippines hub and spoke air transport model.
Relatively western hotels, meals etc can be welcome after a while in the provinces.
I definitely find more, better and more enjoyable girls in the provinces but, like always, YMMV.
Enjoy. G.Can also fly dieect to BKK from CRK, fellas.
Member #4794
01-22-24, 00:05
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I can only handle the city for 3 or 4 days.
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I definitely find more, better and more enjoyable girls in the provinces but, like always, YMMV.
I don't know if all you guys acknowledge past bar fines but I really don't see the need. When I'm in the mood I sometimes barfine 2-3 times a day at the very least this creates some kind of confusion. "Is this guy going to fuck the whole town?" "YES! If I can help it I will. " I don't know if any of you run into jealousy issues but for this reason I have to pick different parts of walking street and the chismosa network is on high alert when I bar fine a girl. When you have fucked so many women on the street that they stop ushering you into the bars because you already have a bar fine from there and they know you have also bar fine else where is kind of an awkward walk. I don't know if you have ever seen ALL of the girls on the street turn their backs on some guy walking down it but it can be like "Cersei's Walk of Atonement" from game of thrones where they shout "shame" at you LOL!. I would argue that I don't give a shit but I still don't like to deal with the ubiquitous tampo. When the block tampo level gets too hot time to move to the provence.
In Thailand living with a girl especially in a provence can be riddled miscommunication and is worse in vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, myanmar, Japan, China ect. Trying to arrange an ultra long time bar fine of a week or more in these places and have some semblance of a conversation that is above the level that you would have with a cat or a dog is not easily found. "eat?, poop?, sit? Stay? Play? Happy? Sad?" In that sense The philippines and AC is a refuge from a storm of very shallow conversations. In other asian countries you can never really have a coherent conversation its almost always "you hiw mai? Aroi mai? Chorp mai?" This is cute the first 10 trips after that it gets old and tiring I honestly have more stimulating conversation at home with my animals which is not what I'm after. After a well over decade and maybe over $100,000+ usd of nothing but my penis in a hole I learned that some emotional back and forth was invaluable for my mental health and I have grown to enjoy it / need it. The stress of having to translate a language that is not your own becomes a 2nd Job almost and is not fun. While these other destinations do offer better looking girls or better tourist options the one thing they do not offer is meaningful emotionally expressive conversations. I also find that foreigners are less welcome in some of these locations when I visit the girls homes especially places like Laos. The philippines is the only "asian" mongering destination where I don't feel like I'm constantly being misunderstood or unable to express any meaningful ideas or emotions. You are right, AC is a nice place to raid the block and bar fine girls day and night until I move on to my sweet low body count provence girls. I compare AC to fast food and provence girls to a home cooked meal.
I don't know if all you guys acknowledge past bar fines but I really don't see the need. When I'm in the mood I sometimes barfine 2-3 times a day at the very least this creates some kind of confusion....I don't know if any of you run into jealousy issues but...I'm not 100% sure of what you mean but I've certainly barfined the same girl several, and occasionally many, times. Sometimes this is for consecutive nights in the same trip. Other times it's when she was fun last trip so why not try again this one.
I'm unmedicated and waay too old now for multiple pops per day. I'll brag about rationing myself to two per day but even that doesn't last long before I need a break. 😭.
I've had competing girls break into a fist fight over my company. Of course, that's because of my good looks and winning personality and not trying to secure access to my wallet. I've written elsewhere that I'm not affected by these antics and it doesn't phase me in the least. Actually, I continued to bang both girls separately on my own terms and let them sort out their issues. None of my business.**
Enjoy. G.
** For accuracy, I should point out that these weren't AC girls nor bar fines but elsewhere. It's been many years since I've had a rolling bar fine there.
ILuvBrownGirls
01-22-24, 03:40
I don't know if all you guys acknowledge past bar fines but I really don't see the need. When I'm in the mood I sometimes barfine 2-3 times a day at the very least this creates some kind of confusion. "Is this guy going to fuck the whole town?" "YES! If I can help it I will. " I don't know if any of you run into jealousy issues but for this reason I have to pick different parts of walking street and the chismosa network is on high alert when I bar fine a girl. When you have fucked so many women on the street that they stop ushering you into the bars because you already have a bar fine from there and they know you have also bar fine else where is kind of an awkward walk. I don't know if you have ever seen ALL of the girls on the street turn their backs on some guy walking down it but it can be like "Cersei's Walk of Atonement" from game of thrones where they shout "shame" at you LOL!.
AC is a nice place to raid the block and bar fine girls day and night until I move on to my sweet low body count provence girls. I compare AC to fast food and provence girls to a home cooked meal.I barfine girls from the same bar and they never seem to get too excited about it either way. I must be ugly or something. LOL.
Also, 100% on the province girls or really any of the girls not in bars. It is barely any more effort to get laid outside of AC than it is inside and once you are in, the sex is usually much, much better. AC is just fun because you can window shop such a large number of available girls.
Member #4794
01-22-24, 03:49
I'm not 100% sure of what you mean but I've certainly barfined the same girl several, and occasionally many, times. Sometimes this is for consecutive nights in the same trip. Other times it's when she was fun last trip so why not try again this one.
Not exactly I'm talking specifically about massive amounts of bar fines at all the bars and walking down walking street. Not all the girls will get up in arms about someone "stealing" their customer. Some of these girls will get possessive and claim me as their customer this results in a soft turf war. It's not a big deal just kind of annoying. I am not really sure how common or uncommon it is for a guy to rack up 10 bar fines in under a week. But this has SOME side effects. One of them being a small army of jaded past bar fines.
I actually was talking to this girl from Lollipop saying that she doesn't like guys who bar fine girls and walk past her bar with the new girl. She said that she felt rejected, like she was inadequate. I have had alot of these same conversations over the years but i really am there to have sex with as many women as possible so i consider this just a casualty of their chosen profession.
Not exactly I'm talking specifically about massive amounts of bar fines at all the bars and walking down walking street..... I am not really sure how common or uncommon it is for a guy to rack up 10 bar fines in under a week....Ok. My bad.
No, I've never barfined the same or different girls multiple times per day for weeks at a time. Not in AC or anywhere else.
My closest would be keeping a girl for days and maybe one of her friends drops around and we make the most of it for a adlib threesome. But that's a very spur of the moment thing and certainly not every day.
Enjoy. G.
Fields Avenue / Walking Street:
Otherwise, the lack of any normal tourist potential just kills the appeal of AC for me.Amazing report, thanks mate.
Been to AC twice and my experience corresponds 100% to what you described.
I'm planning a trip to Thailand in March and will make a side trip to AC.
Frankly If I couldn't afford staying at ABC I wouldn't bother with that shithole called AC.
But got a great deal so its ok for a couple of days.
I'm planning a trip to Thailand in March and will make a side trip to AC.
Frankly If I couldn't afford staying at ABC I wouldn't bother with that shithole called AC.Nonjudgmental question: if you are already in LOS (presumably BKK and / or Patts), why will you go to AC for only a couple of days? If you say you don't like it, wouldn't the transfer time and money be better spent going to Phuket or even Changmai?
Cheers. G.
Nonjudgmental question: if you are already in LOS (presumably BKK and / or Patts), why will you go to AC for only a couple of days? If you say you don't like it, wouldn't the transfer time and money be better spent going to Phuket or even Changmai?
Cheers. G.Read his pattaya thread living in the past.
Read his pattaya thread living in the past.Sorry, I still don't get it. His LOS posts are about the 'good old days' but that doesn't explain leaving there for a short trip to AC. Especially so when he doesn't like it.
Again, his money, his time so his choice. I'm just wondering why someone would leave Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket for a short sojourn to AC.
Cheers. G.
Sorry, I still don't get it. His LOS posts are about the 'good old days' but that doesn't explain leaving there for a short trip to AC. Especially so when he doesn't like it.
Again, his money, his time so his choice. I'm just wondering why someone would leave Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket for a short sojourn to AC.
Cheers. G.Ok lets be more precise. I will spend about 4 weeks in LOS (Bkk, Pattaya and Phuket). The last leg of my trip will be Philippines and I will catch a flight from Clark airport back home.
I have been to LOS exactly 10 times, last time was pre-covid.
Yes AC is crap but as I mentioned I love ABC hotel so my MO would be spending days at the hotel just going out to pick some girls to join me for fun. For that purpose I'm absolutely ok with couple of days there. I don't mind the transfer / associated costs getting to AC from LOS.
And BTW as you said talking about "good old days" in Pattaya has absolutely nothing to do with my trip to AC but I can't bother replying to this guy, most of his posts make no sense anyway LOL.
Just got back from my trip to A / see. I took a friend who has never been there but has been to Thailand many times. I told him to try and not compare the P. I. To Thailand and to keep an open mind. He was able to and had a great time. We went to many clubs and never once were we denied entry or girls in the Korean bars. In fact they were just as welcoming as the non Korean bars. Fortunately, this time of year it was overcast but never rained on us. Also the timing was great because I know the main complaint is nothing to do during the day. My friend is a football fanatic so the playoff games started at 05:00 on one day and 04:00 the next. The two games per day usually took about 6-8 hours to complete. He is such a fanatic, when he barfined a chick, he would kick them out before the game started and headed to Philly's to watch the game. I'm more of a basketball fan and at least those games started around 11:00 am.
We were there for four nights total. I know there is talk about how the Koreans are taking over but what I was more worried about is the number of people on Walking Street. Nothing like the past and if there isn't more visitors, I don't see how these bars can survive. A / see is different but I still like it. The barfines were anywhere from $3500 - $6000 pesos. I only barfined three girls with the highest price of $5500 pesos. One was $5000 and the last at $4000. Only the highest price chick didn't like to do any kind of BJ. I know from past reviews that it's hard to find good looking women here. Maybe my taste is different because I didn't have that problem, neither did my friend. I'm going to list most of the bars we went to. There were many more bars but I couldn't remember the names so owell. Just about every bar had at least one really good looking chick. This is just my opinion and like everything in our hobby, timing is everything. This is just for the looks of the girls and not the club itself.
Angel Witch. Below average. There was one girl who looked black, that looked very good. She would walk in and out of the club at different times but not sure if she was up for barfine. The sign said it was open 24 hours.
Bars that open early.
Genesis. Slightly above average. This is the one that cost $5500.
Bacarra. Slightly above average. This one cost $5000.
Hi Quality. Slightly above average. Most of the girls looked very young.
Too be continue..
Clubs that open later.
Lolipops. Slightly above average.
Dollhouse. Below average. What happen to this place? Only 6 girls just basically standing around.
Atlantis. Slightly above average.
Owlsnest. Below average. This place seem to be more for playing pool and chilling.
Meiko. Slightly above average. New club near my hotel, the Central Plaza. Upstairs you can play pool, downstairs if you want to play with the girls.
Vikings. Average. I pulled a good girls last year from here, but not this time. They did have a ladyboy do a couple of songs and I have to admit, he / she had a great voice.
Shooter. Average. The best looking girl was the door girl who said she didn't barfine.
Imsomnia. Average.
Acye. Slightly below average.
Soju? Slightly below average.
Club XS. Above average. I did ask the mama san about one girl and she told me the girl was $6000 but she only did short time. I didn't take her but appreciated the mama san being upfront about only being short time.
Something King, or King something. Above average. This club is not on walking street and only found it when we were looking for a place to eat. At the time we went during the day, I would be happy with 80% of the girls.
The other bars, I forgot the names so sorry about that. Other than the one girl who didn't want to do a BJ, everyone else was good and no runners.
Some of the places we ate at were, Amigos street food (Mexican), Fortune (Chinese), Phillys, mostly finger foods while watching the games. Also some standard fare at the mall Until next time.
Almost forgot, one more bar on Walking st. La Masqueda. Average, but there was one obvious ladyboy on stage. She looked more like a boy than a feminine girl. I have nothing against lb but just wanted to let people know what to expect.
Member #4794
01-26-24, 02:13
and if there isn't more visitors, I don't see how these bars can survive. A / see is different but I still like it. The barfines were anywhere from $3500 - $6000 pesos. I only barfined three girls with the highest price of $5500 pesos. One was $5000 and the last at $4000.Scared me with these $0000 signs 0000₱ is what they use.
Dollhouse used to be my fav bar for a while because it used to be open 24 h.
Did you mean "Soju?" Soya? I actually bar fined a few girls from Soya maybe it has gone down hill since then.
As whole really AC has taken a massive hit, Even with all the customers that were previously spread out around perimeter their still seems to not be many punters. I could see this going the way of Kalijodo since most of these new owners are Korean nationals and not insulated by high ranking Filipino-Chinese. If they decided to crack down on korean business owners only a small handful of bars would survive. Could see it whittled down to a P Burgos situation.
800 billion dollar railway coming to clark / AC how will this effect this beloved shithole? Give it the customers it needs or will it sink it in the pursuit of gentrification.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1775918/construction-begins-for-p873-b-clark-laguna-railway-project
That being said I booked a hotel at kokomos in honor of the good ol' days, one of the last truly old raunchy hotels left in AC equipped with stripper poles in the rooms and a bar connect to it for easy access. A shithole inside of a shithole.
Scared me with these $0000 signs 0000₱ is what they use.
Dollhouse used to be my fav bar for a while because it used to be open 24 h.
Did you mean "Soju?" Soya? I actually bar fined a few girls from Soya maybe it has gone down hill since then.
As whole really AC has taken a massive hit, Even with all the customers that were previously spread out around perimeter their still seems to not be many punters. I could see this going the way of Kalijodo since most of these new owners are Korean nationals and not insulated by high ranking Filipino-Chinese. If they decided to crack down on korean business owners only a small handful of bars would survive. Could see it whittled down to a P Burgos situation.
800 billion dollar railway coming to clark / AC how will this effect this beloved shithole? Give it the customers it needs or will it sink it in the pursuit of gentrification..I believe the Koreans are such a big factor now in the Clark / Pampanga business market that the Korean Chamber of Commerce would have a big say in things. Don't doubt they don't have financial clout. Look at the number of flights between CRK and South Korea, mostly businessmen. Outside of AC Korean tourist are a big market in Boracay and Cebu / Alona. Probably other places too. I have witnessed them here.
AC will still survive. Newbies bg are arriving daily from the provinces.
Pussycat123
01-26-24, 07:38
Scared me with these $0000 signs 0000₱ is what they use.
Dollhouse used to be my fav bar for a while because it used to be open 24 h.
Did you mean "Soju?" Soya? I actually bar fined a few girls from Soya maybe it has gone down hill since then.
As whole really AC has taken a massive hit, Even with all the customers that were previously spread out around perimeter their still seems to not be many punters. I could see this going the way of Kalijodo since most of these new owners are Korean nationals and not insulated by high ranking Filipino-Chinese. If they decided to crack down on korean business owners only a small handful of bars would survive. Could see it whittled down to a P Burgos situation.
800 billion dollar railway coming to clark / AC how will this effect this beloved shithole? Give it the customers it needs or will it sink it in the pursuit of gentrification.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1775918/construction-begins-for-p873-b-clark-laguna-railway-project
That being said I booked a hotel at kokomos in honor of the good ol' days, one of the last truly old raunchy hotels left in AC equipped with stripper poles in the rooms and a bar connect to it for easy access. A shithole inside of a shithole.Yeah they are building a railway from Manila to AC. It will be built on an overhead platform, the platforms are already built just south of Angeles. Not to be picky but its 800 billion pesos, not dollars. But $14 billion US is still a lot of money. The money is "lent" by the Japanese government so they will buy Japanese trains. And we all know money never gets paid back in the Philipines. Its basically just another government subsidy in Japan.
There sure is a lot of money being poured into the Clark / Angeles / Subic area though. Most of it will probably end up in the pockets of the folks who are already rich. (Ayala / SM corp etc).
The train line will pass Kandi Towers then flyover Fields avenue about 100 yds from Walking st. There will be a new station about 800 yds down the road near SM. Then they will go underground and build a station at Clark airport. As to what will happen to walking St once its built, who knows. For the moment, enjoy Walking St while it still exists.
Expat American
01-26-24, 08:44
Yeah they are building a railway from Manila to AC. It will be built on an overhead platform, the platforms are already built just south of Angeles. Not to be picky but its 800 billion pesos, not dollars. But $14 billion US is still a lot of money. The money is "lent" by the Japanese government so they will buy Japanese trains. And we all know money never gets paid back in the Philipines. Its basically just another government subsidy in Japan.
There sure is a lot of money being poured into the Clark / Angeles / Subic area though. Most of it will probably end up in the pockets of the folks who are already rich. (Ayala / SM corp etc).
The train line will pass Kandi Towers then flyover Fields avenue about 100 yds from Walking st. There will be a new station about 800 yds down the road near SM. Then they will go underground and build a station at Clark airport. As to what will happen to walking St once its built, who knows. For the moment, enjoy Walking St while it still exists.And does anyone expect all this to happen in the lifetime of anyone on this board? How long has Clark been open? And still just a handful of daily flights in a huge terminal building. Our Shit hole isn't getting better infrastructure any time soon.
WestCoast1
01-26-24, 08:44
We were there for four nights total. I know there is talk about how the Koreans are taking over but what I was more worried about is the number of people on Walking Street. Nothing like the past and if there isn't more visitors, I don't see how these bars can survive. A / see is different but I still like it. The barfines were anywhere from $3500 - $6000 pesos. I only barfined three girls with the highest price of $5500 pesos. One was $5000 and the last at $4000. Only the highest price chick didn't like to do any kind of BJ. I know from past reviews that it's hard to find good looking women here. Maybe my taste is different because I didn't have that problem, neither did my friend.
The other bars, I forgot the names so sorry about that. Other than the one girl who didn't want to do a BJ, everyone else was good and no runners.Another excellent trip report; good intel. Another pic goodie for the gents.
And does anyone expect all this to happen in the lifetime of anyone on this board? How long has Clark been open? And still just a handful of daily flights in a huge terminal building. Our Shit hole isn't getting better infrastructure any time soon.Not in my lifetime. My demise will probably be before AC's. Enjoying while I can.
Member #4794
01-26-24, 18:54
Not in my lifetime. My demise will probably be before AC's. Enjoying while I can.Unless you are going to die in the next 3-4 years you will see this happen.
Malolos, Bulacan station is the end of the line for Phase one, they have already broke ground on the Clark Phase 2 phase in 2022, moving out squatters one of the biggest hurdles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLEN1uPtPW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4do9l4dmhM
The Malolos, Bulacan station is halfway to AC and that station is mostly completed should be operational some time in 2025 or 2026. PNR Clark Phase 2 should be completed by 2027-2028. Much further along than you think this is.
Phase 2 updates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYdXDXXN4A4
Hi MM, thanks, you are correct, the name of the bar was Soya. Dollhouse used to be one of my favorites also. Maybe it was just the timing. Anyways, I still enjoy my trips to A / see and finding new clubs with hot young girls is always fun.
Unless you are going to die in the next 3-4 years you will see this happen.
Malolos, Bulacan station is the end of the line for Phase one, they have already broke ground on the Clark Phase 2 phase in 2022, moving out squatters one of the biggest hurdles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLEN1uPtPW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4do9l4dmhM
The Malolos, Bulacan station is halfway to AC and that station is mostly completed should be operational some time in 2025 or 2026. PNR Clark Phase 2 should be completed by 2027-2028. Much further along than you think this is.
Phase 2 updates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYdXDXXN4A4My apologies. I did not realize what those concrete pillars near CRK was for. Dumb ass me thought they might be putting in a skyway for cars! So in a few years I can take the high speed rail from NAIA to CRK and then by car to AC. My life expectancy should be able to experience that. I will keep my friends and family contacts in case of AC's demise.
One thing good about friends and family plan is someone is always coming of age.
Pussycat123
01-28-24, 09:09
Clubs that open later.
Something King, or King something. Above average. This club is not on walking street and only found it when we were looking for a place to eat. At the time we went during the day, I would be happy with 80% of the girls.
.I think the bar is Star King. Its on a back street near Walking St. I've never been in but maybe I should take a look next time.
Pussycat123
01-28-24, 09:24
I believe the Koreans are such a big factor now in the Clark / Pampanga business market that the Korean Chamber of Commerce would have a big say in things. Don't doubt they don't have financial clout. Look at the number of flights between CRK and South Korea, mostly businessmen. Outside of AC Korean tourist are a big market in Boracay and Cebu / Alona. Probably other places too. I have witnessed them here.
AC will still survive. Newbies are arriving daily from the provinces.AC is Korean dominated these days for sure. Probably 75% of bars are Korean owned and bashing Koreans seems to be a popular topic because they are said to cause barfine inflation etc. I have to say though I've had plenty of good times in Korean bars including Soya, Bacarra, 123, Viking, SS etc. The Koreans are weird and goofy with their flip flops and shoulder bags but at least they are investing in WS.
Many of the western owned bars are in decline. Bodyshop is on its last legs and as for Doghouse, sorry Dollhouse, its pretty weak.
The Koreans can be a bit freaky though. I know a girl from Soya bar. The Koreans walk in and barfine five girls, get in a van and drive to Bataan. They get on a boat and go out a mile or so offshore. They tell all the girls to get naked and parade around the boat. Then they tell one girl they want a live sex show and they will pay her 20,000 pesos to get fucked while the others watch. But she said hell no, take me back to shore. Then the girls said times up guys, take us back to Angeles, which they did.
I honestly think Korean influence has peaked though. The Korean economy might be in decline now as their birth rate is the lowest in the world. Apart from Samsung and Blackpink they don't have much going on.
I think the bar is Star King. Its on a back street near Walking St. I've never been in but maybe I should take a look next time.That's probably right. I forgot to mention that it's really close to the Queens Hotel. We went during the afternoon shift after having lunch. The girls were young and very cute. We spoke with four girls and two were 18 yo and two were 19 yo. Yes, if you get a chance, check it out and hopefully you can find what you are looking for there.
Pussycat123
01-29-24, 00:15
That's probably right. I forgot to mention that it's really close to the Queens Hotel. We went during the afternoon shift after having lunch. The girls were young and very cute. We spoke with four girls and two were 18 yo and two were 19 yo. Yes, if you get a chance, check it out and hopefully you can find what you are looking for there.Yeah, I think the street is Tinio St, which runs between Teodoro St and Constain St.
Ive walked or driven past it several times but the reason I never went is that it looked like a Korean only shop. I've been in plenty of Korean bars in Angeles but the ones on WS seem a little more open to foreigners. But I will check it out next time I'm in town as I'm curious.
WestCoast1
01-29-24, 01:46
Many of the western owned bars are in decline. Bodyshop is on its last legsBS has become a sad and odd situation. Happy hour drink prices of p90 from 3 pm to 12 midnight have not helped the decline. Low barfine of p3500 has also not helped. Certainly having as few as 3 girls (all fugs) or as many as 6 girls (5 fugs + 1 barely acceptable) has not helped. There might be more waitresses than GRO. Often I am the only customer, or there are maybe 1-2 other customers. Can't see how it survives.
FuriousGeorge
01-29-24, 06:25
They have this event weekly at Body Shop where girls from other bars show up and do some kind of show. It was kind of poppin for that event although I didn't stay long. Have you met the owner? He's an Australian fella. Nice guy, but if his teeth are any representation of the health of the bar, it will be rotted, dead, and destroyed within a few months.
BS has become a sad and odd situation. Happy hour drink prices of p90 from 3 pm to 12 midnight have not helped the decline. Low barfine of p3500 has also not helped. Certainly having as few as 3 girls (all fugs) or as many as 6 girls (5 fugs + 1 barely acceptable) has not helped. There might be more waitresses than GRO. Often I am the only customer, or there are maybe 1-2 other customers. Can't see how it survives.
WestCoast1
01-29-24, 07:13
They have this event weekly at Body Shop where girls from other bars show up and do some kind of show. It was kind of poppin for that event although I didn't stay long. Have you met the owner? He's an Australian fella. Nice guy, but if his teeth are any representation of the health of the bar, it will be rotted, dead, and destroyed within a few months.Monday nights. Masquerade, Gecko's, Body Shop, and one other bar. The event rotates to each bar one Monday each month. Starts at 6 pm. It's a crackin' good time, with girls from the various bars putting on nawty shows on stage for about 2 hours. Eating the banana, faux lesbianism, taped t*tties, etc. You will need to arrive by 5:45 pm to get a seat. Clientele is almost completely gringo geezers who live there. Your drink prices are low, and I think the LD's are reduced also during the show. If you walked into BS on the once-a-month Monday when the show is ongoing, you'd think that BS was the toast of AC. The other 29 nights a month, not so much. I will PM you.
Pussycat123
01-29-24, 07:52
BS has become a sad and odd situation. Happy hour drink prices of p90 from 3 pm to 12 midnight have not helped the decline. Low barfine of p3500 has also not helped. Certainly having as few as 3 girls (all fugs) or as many as 6 girls (5 fugs + 1 barely acceptable) has not helped. There might be more waitresses than GRO. Often I am the only customer, or there are maybe 1-2 other customers. Can't see how it survives.If I'm not mistaken there is a for sale sign on the door of Bodyshop. I presume the owner is trying to keep it alive until he can find a buyer. I have barfined there in the past and in fact one of my ATFs is from there but she quit and works in another bar now.
I think the BS salary is 250 p and barfine 3 k of which the girl gets about 1200. My friend now works in another bar in WS where the salary is 500 p and the barfine is 5 k of which she gets 2500. So she basically doubled her salary and commission by moving. In fact she more than doubled her income because the other bar has many more guests than BS. In the current scenario BS is in terminal decline because girls quitting means fewer guests and vice versa.
The street its on is a little dead and there are two closed bars there (I think Shobu and Crystal Palace) but there is one new bar called Meikos just down the street which seems to be doing ok. Time will tell if it can survive though.
FuriousGeorge
01-29-24, 08:26
Meikos is actually a very cool spot. I really hope it succeeds. Daytime upstairs the pool vibe is great. Everyone who plays during the day is chill and fun and I really enjoyed meeting them and hanging. If you follow Chubs DubC on youtube you'll see a lot of what goes on there. Also there are a couple of sexy lady shark pool players (Rozelle and Doris) who are worth the price of admission just to watch them bend over when they shoot. I flirted heavily with them and did some sexy Mega Dance dancing with them but they are both taken so I didn't push my luck. The barfinable talent downstairs at night wasn't stellar but hopefully it improves.
If I'm not mistaken there is a for sale sign on the door of Bodyshop. I presume the owner is trying to keep it alive until he can find a buyer. I have barfined there in the past and in fact one of my ATFs is from there but she quit and works in another bar now.
I think the BS salary is 250 p and barfine 3 k of which the girl gets about 1200. My friend now works in another bar in WS where the salary is 500 p and the barfine is 5 k of which she gets 2500. So she basically doubled her salary and commission by moving. In fact she more than doubled her income because the other bar has many more guests than BS. In the current scenario BS is in terminal decline because girls quitting means fewer guests and vice versa.
The street its on is a little dead and there are two closed bars there (I think Shobu and Crystal Palace) but there is one new bar called Meikos just down the street which seems to be doing ok. Time will tell if it can survive though.
Member #4794
01-29-24, 12:35
How to alienate 99% of your demographic and guarantee no customers for the night.
WestCoast1
01-29-24, 15:15
If I'm not mistaken there is a for sale sign on the door of Bodyshop. I presume the owner is trying to keep it alive until he can find a buyer. I think that sign has been there for a year.
Member #4794
01-31-24, 19:52
Walking street is basically a giant punji stick trap right now. Alcohol not recommended.
Not helping the shithole stereotype.
ILuvBrownGirls
02-01-24, 04:09
Walking street is basically a giant punji stick trap right now. Alcohol not recommended.
Not helping the shithole stereotype.LOL, This was in front of Bar Nana a few weeks ago. I thought it was very appropriate given my mission for the day.
Walking street is basically a giant punji stick trap right now. Alcohol not recommended.
Not helping the shithole stereotype.Only a drunk foreigner would fall in to that. Never ever seen a local trip or stumble on walkways or sidewalks. I have and was sober too!
Deep excavation.
lol, this was in front of bar nana a few weeks ago. I thought it was very appropriate given my mission for the day.
NapaSlapper
02-02-24, 10:45
Whats been happening on the town during the 1st month of 2024,well in truth not much.
Multiple bar girls left angeles city for the Christmas new year period to return back to their home province to see family, children, many, many of the better looking, slimmer, younger girls have not returned at all, many bars, even the top bars are very short of girls, maybe the girls have found better avenues of earning money online to desperados the world over who are willing to sponsor these girls, mostly before even meeting, what ever the reason its fair to say every bar owner is crying out for staff, especially reasonably young, good looking staff.
Walking street continues to have major roadworks, they have dug up most of the street to lay down new flood drains, it makes walking at night quite tricky, the holes are quite deep and stretch for some distances, they have put narrow planks of wood over the holes in some parts to allow access to the bar entrances, quite dangerous crossing to the bars for those that have had a few too many beers or for girls in high heels.
The town remains very quiet for western tourists, greatly outnumbered by asian visitors, mainly koreans, the few western oriented walking street bars like geckos bar, lollipop bar seem to have a few mainly older expats in early evening, girls here tend to be lower quality with older and many chubbies / fatties around.
Even xs bar which I and many others have reported before Christmas 2023 was the best angeles bar and that had the highest concentration of reasonably slim ok looking girls is looking mighty low on girl numbers, its still true that in xs bar one is more likely to find the better looking girls just a lot less of them around as of 2024.
What has not changed in angeles city as of this new year is the amount of better looking girls that just will not barfine with anyone, they make their money hustling drinks only, the ok looking girls that do actually barfine only barfine with Asians, its a massive problem if one is a westerner and has higher standards in girls.
Ladyboy freelancer standing on the corners near walking street seem to grow in number with every bar hop to the area, thank goodness I have not seen any working in the bars but who knows with the severe shortage of girls in the bars maybe its not too far away.
FuriousGeorge
02-03-24, 11:05
This dude claims that CNB Cafe next to Garfields is a BJ bar. Can anybody confirm this? I might give it a go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycbdUij6eA
Old And Ugly
02-03-24, 13:30
Been here in PH a couple months now. From Manila to Cebu to Angeles. I can confidently say as a guy that's younger than you even; this place isn't it for young guys. Especially if you are in decent / good shape and stuff. Poor bang for buck.
Waaaay too many desperate, thirsty, beer belly, sex or affection starved old guys out here shelling out money for 4's and 5's.
Sailor Jack is the only dude I see sometimes posting girls that are actually not bad looking, but he even says himself its his 'archive'. Might be once every 3 years he encounters one that looks decent for all we know.
Us young guys know this stuff and keep it real. I'm not starving for sex so I'm not just going to pipe a bunch of late 20's /30+ women and say I had a good time just cause I got laid. I got plenty action in Europe, Miami, LatAm etc. And I'm not bragging cause obviously I wouldn't be here, downside is, young girls nowadays demand way too much time to get some action sometimes, so sometimes I trick. I'm not perfect, but not desperate.
You forget the most important thing: we are way better and superior when compared to you. When we were young we didn't have to pay for sex like you do, we got it for free and for real. Now, most of us are regarded as "expired" in west, therefore we are coming here. And yes, if you are in your 20/30's and come here looking for sex, I think you are desperate, not us.
Remember my words 30 years from now, when you will be one of the "thirsty, beer belly, sex or affection starved old guys".
LoveItHere69
02-03-24, 15:26
This dude claims that CNB Cafe next to Garfields is a BJ bar. Can anybody confirm this? I might give it a go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycbdUij6eAThe 2 side street bars around the corner from Garfields were formerly known as Rio and NIFTY. They are BJ bars. Today I saw a girl outside one of the bars and asked if these were still BJs bars. I thought they were both closed 5 years ago when I last visited AC so I just had to ask even if they are not my thing. I have no idea cost, number of girls, or quality. But from my last visit a decade ago I can practically guarantee few girls, older girls, not pretty girls.
LoveItHere69
02-03-24, 15:50
Whats been happening on the town during the 1st month of 2024,well in truth not much.
Ladyboy freelancer standing on the corners near walking street seem to grow in number with every bar hop to the area, thank goodness I have not seen any working in the bars but who knows with the severe shortage of girls in the bars maybe its not too far away.You are not here. You say the bakla numbers are increasing in the month of January but I know that their numbers have been decreasing the last 2 weeks of January. My first day here on a Thursday Feb 1 after being gone 5 years and I knew something was amiss. This is my 3rd full night here. I already ran into 4 of my street girls I banged 7 years ago. All told me that the police have been running them and the bakla off the streets for 2 weeks now. The police commented that if the girls want to work they need to go to a bar. To counteract this they either walk up and down the street (no standing or sitting around) or buy a cheap drink at Envy or Phillies and strike up conversations with guys walking past. If you are here let's meet. I am dying for you to prove you are here since nobody believes you. Prove us all wrong. We can visit 2 Korean bars together. I agree with you that AC mongering is dying and will comment later about what I have scene. I think you are lying about all these Korean guys you hang out with because that is not normal and even less believable seeing as nobody on this site knows you.
Street girl explained the disco scene for me since I have not been to any since the death of High Society. Sky Trax is mainly for couples. Hammer is Korean. Mega Dance is a mixture where the freelancers go fishing. Guess which one I will be visiting and breaking my disco cherry?
LoveItHere69
02-03-24, 20:12
Mega Dance is crap compared to High Society. If HISO re-opened, all the freelancers would switch over. I lasted 30 minutes and never to return. You can not really see the dance floor unless you are on it or get a table / booth. Most locations I could see most of HISO's dance floor and even across to the other side if I was hunting for a girl. Some guy I spoke with later said the same thing. Much harder to pick up freelancers. Spoke with a waitress outside a bar I had been to earlier and she said she used to go to HISO all the time. But she has only been to Mega Dance a few times. She said the music did not make her feel like dancing.
You are not here. You say the bakla numbers are increasing in the month of January but I know that their numbers have been decreasing the last 2 weeks of January. My first day here on a Thursday Feb 1 after being gone 5 years and I knew something was amiss. This is my 3rd full night here. I already ran into 4 of my street girls I banged 7 years ago. All told me that the police have been running them and the bakla off the streets for 2 weeks now. The police commented that if the girls want to work they need to go to a bar. To counteract this they either walk up and down the street (no standing or sitting around) or buy a cheap drink at Envy or Phillies and strike up conversations with guys walking past. If you are here let's meet. I am dying for you to prove you are here since nobody believes you. Prove us all wrong. We can visit 2 Korean bars together. I agree with you that AC mongering is dying and will comment later about what I have scene. I think you are lying about all these Korean guys you hang out with because that is not normal and even less believable seeing as nobody on this site knows you.
Street girl explained the disco scene for me since I have not been to any since the death of High Society. Sky Trax is mainly for couples. Hammer is Korean. Mega Dance is a mixture where the freelancers go fishing. Guess which one I will be visiting and breaking my disco cherry?In truth WS is a lot busier the last few weeks than before. Many westerners in bars late into the night this past Friday.
NS. Holes in the ground are called trenches to be more detailed about things. Loveithere69 good luck on your meeting.
You forget the most important thing: we are way better and superior when compared to you. Sounds like the Scalenge has come to mongering. 😁.
"Listen. I may suck for an NBA player. Those guys are pretty good. But I don't suck compared to you. You suck compared to me".
Brian Scalabrine.
Pussycat123
02-04-24, 08:31
What has not changed in angeles city as of this new year is the amount of better looking girls that just will not barfine with anyone, they make their money hustling drinks only, the ok looking girls that do actually barfine only barfine with Asians, its a massive problem if one is a westerner and has higher standards in girls.
This doesn't align with my experience. I'm white, American, mid fifites. I was in Angeles at Christmas and New Year. I barfined 16 girls and didn't get refused once. I barfined in Baccarra, Viking, Night Moves, 123, Black Satin, Lucifer. If you are 80 with an oxygen tank maybe you will have problems, but I don't think its that hard. Most girls seemed eager to get barfined.
Expat American
02-04-24, 09:04
The 2 side street bars around the corner from Garfields were formerly known as Rio and NIFTY. They are BJ bars. Today I saw a girl outside one of the bars and asked if these were still BJs bars. I thought they were both closed 5 years ago when I last visited AC so I just had to ask even if they are not my thing. I have no idea cost, number of girls, or quality. But from my last visit a decade ago I can practically guarantee few girls, older girls, not pretty girls.I used to love Nifty's. For the price of a 125 P drink the girls would be naked and grind all over you and give you teaser BJs on the couch. I have barfined 18 and 19 yo cuties for threesomes for 1000 P each. Somewhere along the way the girls started getting older fatter and wearing jeans on stage. They still remembered me when I showed up but its no longer on my list of bars to hit. Actually AC is off my list of places to monger as well. 100 USD for ST with an average looking Filipina is not worth it for me. Better options exist.
This dude claims that CNB Cafe next to Garfields is a BJ bar. Can anybody confirm this? I might give it a go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycbdUij6eAConfirmed.
LoveItHere69
02-04-24, 21:30
The waitress from last post talking about HISO. Funny story is when one of her younger co-workers gushed how wonderful Mega Dance was. She replied, "That is because you do not know any better. You never went to HISO!" She also mentioned that some of her customers said they would not be returning to Angeles because HISO was such a big part of their hunting.
My primary source of girls was street, then short time bars, HISO, and lastly the bars at around 5%. Why? Simple. They knew their purpose was to "F". The bars girls think their job is to either dance, drink (sluts), barfine to keep me company while going out to other bars or dining, and maybe just maybe have sex.
The stupid Koreans have messed everything up by having the girls wear dresses. They dress them up as princesses they ask like princesses. You dress them up as sluts they act like sluts. You dress them sexy they act sexy. I know when I wear more sporty active clothing I am more active. When I wear old stained clothes I am ready to do dirty manual labor work.
I only went to one bar thus far. Saturday night 7:00 pm to Viking. Viking 5 years ago always had 4 girls I would take. This time only 2. The dresses are a mind state. The girls are more reserved in their behavior so are not as playful or bouncing around dancing like they once did. It goes against their nature. I have seen so many girls when standing in lines or waiting for someone outside or inside a store that has music playing and a certain song starts to play. Also, Filipinas are naturally very chatty and social. Koreans go against this. So many Koreans barfine the girls and ignore them while talking to their stupid guy friends versus us Westerners talk to the girls and include them in our conversation with our guy buddies.
Viking 150 p for Gatorade. Barfine 4500 p. Girls used to have 2 dance shifts. Now 3-5 get off and 3-5 get back on the stage every 15 minute or so.
Strange observation but I believe I see more facial acne on the girls than before.
I wanted to retire here 10 years ago. Now I hate it and it will only get worse. I paid hotel for 2 weeks and will venture to Boracay. I loved Boracay before Duarte closed it for clean up and the pandemic so the beaches should be super clean now.
Now here is where I beg. Can some of you guys please PM me with the names of girls and their bars who are thin with big boobs. Do not post. The guys here will steal them before I get a chance. Even with a list of 10 I will be lucky to get to 5 of them. I remember all the times I came back to a bar to get a certain girl and she was barfined, wrong time / shift, day off, menstruation, went back to the province, and the list goes on. I would really appreciate it and I will not take them for long because I will not be staying long.
Reminds of life in PH. First day order something from a hole in the wall resto on Fields. Guess what they did not have? What I wanted. Then near J. J. s supermarket is a buy one get one. The chocolate mint drink sounded good. It was Saturday night and I could not get it. They no longer had the buy one get one cups. She probably assumed I would just buy a single. I walked away. Had a coffee slushy from Uncle Johns (Mini Stop).
I will agree with NapaSlapper. Thus far the quality of the girls is down. Most of the guys that disagree are guys that were not here 10 years ago, guys that have lived here for 10 years and have been taking the same girls during that time (no barfines), and guys that have poor taste thus there are always a lot of ugly girls so no change for you. Perfect example is that many guys have been taking some street girls and think they are wonderful. Well the 4 I knew from before. I had all 4 of them 7 years ago when they were much younger, firmer, no babies, and with a far less jaded attitude. They were only "OK" to me back then, not "HOT".
Already pissed off a guy by day 3. Guy I knew in Colombia yelled out at me. He was with a buddy. We chatted 30 minutes. In that time his buddy mentioned that his buddy told him about a bar or bars in Boracay that had girls. I told him there are bars with freelancers and a disco too. But there are no bars with girls that work shifts and are bar fined. If he said the bars were like Fields bars then his buddy was an idiot. They did not have that 5 years or 10 years ago when I was there. With everything becoming more family friendly there would be no way in hell that would exist today. Reality strikes again.
MrHappyKat
02-04-24, 21:59
I'll be in AC for a while, arriving on Feb 22 and leaving on Mar 17. This will be my 2nd visit and I'm looking forward to making many memories I cannot share with my family when I get back. LOL.
If you will be there during these dates, I'd be delighted to meet over a suitable adult beverage or three.
Please DM if interested.
LoveItHere69
02-04-24, 22:29
Landed 10:00 am Thursday at Clark. Only saw 2 other planes. No people other than the passengers of my plane in the airport. Such a dead airport after all the work they have done to the airport. Like a ghost town.
Dead Zones compared to 5 years ago:
McDonalds used to have around 3-5 freelancers out and around on the weekends. No more. McDs is only a third full in the daytime and only half full at dinner time. Place used to be half full all day and mostly full all night long. Even their outside ice cream stand is closed.
Real Street between Tequila Reef and Las Vegas bar.
Constain Street (short street side of Sky Trax) 3 bars gone.
Margarita Station moved.
Uncle Johns (formerly Mini Stop) at the Narciso corner. Used to be lit up and busy. Now deadsville.
Closed bars are bars that never reopened with a new name and are empty or converted to another business.
Galaxy Hotel closed.
Body Shop open but for sale.
Geisha (Japanese bar) closed.
Tropics closed.
Crystal Palace closed.
Constain Street (short street side of Sky Trax) 4 bars gone. Rhodies and another bar at the front and on the corner. Can not remember the 2 on the side street (Butterfly was one).
Brown Sugar closed.
Camelot closed.
Margarita Station moved.
Western bar just across from Narciso Street. Now a bar with guy dancers.
Doctor Holmes and Gentleman's Club on the corner of San Angelo Street are closed.
Why AC mongering is dying? I for one wanted to retire here 10 years ago. Now I will not visit here again after I leave on this trip. I am not the only one.
I did not come from the other side of the planet to see women in fancy dresses. I want to see skin. When the girls were wearing bikinis they knew they were there for sex and to get drunk and party with. Now dressing them up in fancy dresses they think they are girlfriends to be wined and dined. In the past the owners goal was to get all the girls barfined and out the door. Now the goal is to sell drinks and keep the girls in the bar.
Hygiene used to be every day. Now only Mon, Wed, and Fri from what I have been told by massage girl working next to Hygiene location when I was there outside drinking a halo halo she made for me. Gives you an idea about the number of girls lost.
Old And Ugly
02-05-24, 05:21
Sounds like the Scalenge has come to mongering. 😁.
"Listen. I may suck for an NBA player. Those guys are pretty good. But I don't suck compared to you. You suck compared to me".
Brian Scalabrine.Yes, something along those lines. But I met too many young, good looking arrogant dudes coming here and paying for sex, that think that the old guys having happy moments on the last 100 yards, are some losers, when in fact they are.
FuriousGeorge
02-05-24, 09:34
HiSo is gone. I got so many freebies from HiSo it was nuts. But yes - 80% of the girls there were freelancers and available for takeout. MegaDance has way way hotter girls and the vibe is way more fun. About 20% of the girls are freelancers and available for takeout. After 2-3 am when the gogo bars close, that raises to about 40% because the bargirls go there after work. If that's not your jam, then so be it, don't go. But I have been many times to AC in the last 6 years and the quality is at an all time high, in my opinion. I didn't want to leave. There were so many I had mentally tagged that I didn't have the time to get to.
LoveItHere69
02-05-24, 19:45
Forget to mention Hotel ENVY is for sale. Posted at the back of the building near the Body Shop bar.
WOW! Never had this back in the day. Insomnia, Q Bar, Dollhouse, and Atlantis are closed on Mondays. The Korean way of things is not going well. I leave in a 9 days never to return myself.
Went to Lollipop 7:15 PM with Dg8787.5 girls on stage. One had a nice body but so-so face. 2 get off and 2 get on. One is very short and pretty. Dg8787 bar fined her. There was a pretty thin girl with boobs sitting next to me with her worker friends. Her chubby and fat friends try to get me to go with her. Tomorrow is her first day working. Her 4 fat friends keep saying she is their sister or cousin like that means crap to me. Only means something to me if they are identical sisters. I TRY to ask the girl her name, where this from, age. The fat one answers everything. I show my annoyance. I get up and move the girl to the other side where I am now between them. She appears very shy and quiet and looks at the fat girls for the answers to my simple questions. The fatties want me to barfine her and I explain she is not working. I will pay her her cut but not the bars. The fatties get pissed off I will not pay the bar's share and that I do not give crap about being sisters and cousins. I quietly tell her to meet me outside in 10 minutes and will pay her 2500 p for 1 hour. She came outside with some of the ugly fatties and walked down the street. Her fat ugly friends or whatever they were lost her 2500 p. The stupidity in the bars has not changed. One girl I chatted briefly in the bar and saw her outside the bar later. I gave her my number, told her I stay nearby, and will pay her 2500 p for 1 hour. She did not seem too interested but who knows. But I will not pay the barfine. I already met her and have her contact information. Why the hell would I pay the bar's share?
Thanks for the drink Dg8787.
Loveithere69. You are welcome. Great to meet up and to discuss AC and other PH destinations. Have a great time and hope you can meet up with NS.
Pussycat123
02-07-24, 08:48
It seems to be a theme these days for people on these boards to say AC is dying, its not like it was back in the day, yada yada
Let me state my 2 cents
I was there in September and December and it was off the charts. 30+ girls barfined. Not one single girl turned me down. Took 5 girls on vacation.
I just did a tally of gogo bars in Angeles: Total, 67 bars. Yup, SIXTY SEVEN.
For every one that closes, another one opens.
As for the Ks fucking it up. Personally, I like the competition. My dollars beat their money, my dick is longer than 3 inches, and I don't carry a handbag. I'm winning that game.
If AC is dying, put me in the ground, now.
It seems to be a theme these days for people on these boards to say AC is dying, its not like it was back in the day, yada yada
Let me state my 2 cents
I was there in September and December and it was off the charts. 30+ girls barfined. Not one single girl turned me down. Took 5 girls on vacation.
I just did a tally of gogo bars in Angeles: Total, 67 bars. Yup, SIXTY SEVEN.
For every one that closes, another one opens.
As for the Ks fucking it up. Personally, I like the competition. My dollars beat their money, my dick is longer than 3 inches, and I don't carry a handbag. I'm winning that game.
If AC is dying, put me in the ground, now.Glad to hear this. I will be there next week. Sadly I am probably in the same league as Koreans in terms of dick size. I am from Taiwan.
If AC is dying, put me in the ground, now.I suspect a lot of the whingeing comes from people who haven't been around long. They came and found an AC that they liked, and then it changed. Those of us who have put in serious time here have seen all kinds of changes over the years. So you can bail or you can adapt. I'm happy to adapt, and I too still have good times in AC. It's still the Philippines and they're still Filipinas.
Glad to hear this. I will be there next week. Sadly I am probably in the same league as Koreans in terms of dick size. I am from Taiwan.I don't think size is the problem. It is not the size of the horse it is how good the jockey is.
I am sure you will have a good time. Just be respectful.
It seems to be a theme these days for people on these boards to say AC is dying, its not like it was back in the day, yada yada
Let me state my 2 cents
I was there in September and December and it was off the charts. 30+ girls barfined. Not one single girl turned me down. Took 5 girls on vacation.
I just did a tally of gogo bars in Angeles: Total, 67 bars. Yup, SIXTY SEVEN.
For every one that closes, another one opens.
As for the Ks fucking it up. Personally, I like the competition. My dollars beat their money, my dick is longer than 3 inches, and I don't carry a handbag. I'm winning that game.
If AC is dying, put me in the ground, now.Reading all your comments I feel you are a poser: Money buys it all.
If guys coming here since 10 or 20 years and compare the present situation with the past its not YadaYada but a pragmatic statement: Only if you have now a budget of say minimum 400. -$ a day and willing to spend 3000. -$ for the flight, you can have some fun by well trained actresses. They guys praising the AC of today miss that for that amount of money, meanwhile other places do exist where girls will pamper you endless and not only fake an orgasm but they are horny to get an orgasm and squirt the bed full with their cum. And there no pimping bars do exist (a weird invention from the time when the US army did rule): what you give the girls its their money.
I did love AC a lot and did visit it 4 to 6 times a year. But to find that pleasure I had then, there are now greener pastures. Move on. Don't cry.
FuriousGeorge
02-08-24, 09:50
Believe me, you will be fine, and they will be fine. As someone with a giant cock, these Pinays can take it like a champ. Most AC girls are lovely and accommodating, no matter what. The few 19 year olds that have had trouble still grin and bear it. These US girls (mostly white and Korean) are way more likely to complain. Enjoy.
Glad to hear this. I will be there next week. Sadly I am probably in the same league as Koreans in terms of dick size. I am from Taiwan.
The train line will pass Kandi Towers then flyover Fields avenue about 100 yds from Walking st. There will be a new station about 800 yds down the road near SM. Then they will go underground and build a station at Clark airport. As to what will happen to walking St once its built, who knows. For the moment, enjoy Walking St while it still exists.Dollars to donuts, they'll use the same train route as the old train route from San Fernando to Tarlac which, BTW, was the same route used to carried the Death March prisoners to Camp O'Donnell.
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Believe me, you will be fine, and they will be fine. As someone with a giant cock, these Pinays can take it like a champ. Most AC girls are lovely and accommodating, no matter what. The few 19 year olds that have had trouble still grin and bear it. These US girls (mostly white and Korean) are way more likely to complain. Enjoy.I disagree with you. Most girls like big cocks. It is just that when lubrication is not enough it hurts them. I use my saliva when I feel I am hurting them. Saliva is a natural lubricant. If you use KY jelly and other lubricants it makes too wet and sensation is not there. Even in US I have had fun with many white girls who have small pussies comparable to Asians. Key is to make the girls comfortable. Once they know you are not going to tear them apart they are game for your big cock. If you read Kamasutra it says lubrication by foreplay is very important for good sex.
Whether they are bargirls or just friends do not force yourself on them by hurting them. They may grin and bear it but will not be open to all night sex.
Believe me, you will be fine, and they will be fine. As someone with a giant cock, these Pinays can take it like a champ. Most AC girls are lovely and accommodating, no matter what. The few 19 year olds that have had trouble still grin and bear it. These US girls (mostly white and Korean) are way more likely to complain. Enjoy.Thanks, I am pretty sure I will be fine. Although I am inexperienced in Angeles, I visited Bangkok and Manila many times in the past decade. Only once I had a girl at LA cafe Manila complaining about my small size. She did it on purpose for pissing me off after she found out that I would not take her out as a repeated customer on a second evening visit to LA cafe. I couldn't careless if she enjoyed it or climaxed. I had a great time in both evenings.
Very true Sammon, I agree completely. One should never force girls if its not going in either because she is all dry or you are too big for her, happens to many. I am well equipped myself and always use saliva before going in, it helps, even for the other hole, LOL. If a monger goes all ballistic from the very start its a no no from me. Idea is to pump her slowly (1-2 minutes), gain her confidence and then go all the way to redemption.
I disagree with you. Most girls like big cocks. It is just that when lubrication is not enough it hurts them. I use my saliva when I feel I am hurting them. Saliva is a natural lubricant. If you use KY jelly and other lubricants it makes too wet and sensation is not there. Even in US I have had fun with many white girls who have small pussies comparable to Asians. Key is to make the girls comfortable. Once they know you are not going to tear them apart they are game for your big cock. If you read Kamasutra it says lubrication by foreplay is very important for good sex.
Whether they are bargirls or just friends do not force yourself on them by hurting them. They may grin and bear it but will not be open to all night sex.
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