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Expat American
02-08-24, 16:15
Believe me, you will be fine, and they will be fine. As someone with a giant cock, these Pinays can take it like a champ. Most AC girls are lovely and accommodating, no matter what. The few 19 year olds that have had trouble still grin and bear it. These US girls (mostly white and Korean) are way more likely to complain. Enjoy.These tiny 4 ft 10 inch spinners will push out multiple 6 to 8 lb babies out of those tiny pussies (many already have) so complaining about any size cock is just drama.
LoveItHere69
02-08-24, 18:40
Saw doctor Ericka Joy De Guzman. Appeared to me to be a common sense doctor like her dad. 660 Don Juico Ave. Looked thru the Blue Book which is now half the thickness than 7 years prior which should tell you something.
Walked Perimeter starting at the end at Jollibee / Burger King in Korea Town.
20 years ago you went down perimeter and turned left. Go half a block on the left was a hotel with a bar. Across the street was JOLLY FROG and another bar. Of course all 3 have been gone for nearly 15 years.
Walking Perimeter to Fields was first STAR GATE bar now gone.
Next was a gogo bar inside Clarkton Hotel. Not sure if still there or not. I am guessing not. Right next door were a group of 5 bars. Lost in Asia, RHODIES and another in one building. Then right next door the other 2 which were Korean bars. All are gone with the doors, windows, and roofs gone.
I think the next one is THI-HI. Talked to the guy outside and he said it was no longer a go-go bar but had waitresses. Not sure if that meant the waitresses were available for rental or not. Do not care. Most waitresses are older and fatter than I am interested in.
I finally come upon my first bars. NO WAY bar and POSAIDON which were there prior. Immediately following was a building with 3 bars that is either being rebuilt or being torn down. Hard to tell with so much of the building missing. The last bar in that group of 3 was the only one I can remember FIRE AND ICE. I think BABYDOLLS was upstairs.
The first 3 were way back in the day but the others I believe all existed before the COVID lockdown and I will not count the Clarkton Hotel bar. So STAR GATE + LOST IN ASIA + RHODIES + the 3 beside + THI-HI + FIRE AND ICE + the 2 beside = 10 bars. Please name the replacement bars for all of us Pussycat123.
The list I have is coming from someone who hunts the street. I rarely entered into these bars but remember they did exist. I am sure I am missing an additional 2-3 but not sure.
Back to Fields.
OLD CLUB bar next to INSOMNIA is closed on Tuesdays. That makes 5 bars that close one day a each week that never happened before.
The upstairs BLUE DRAGON used to be have 2 bars upstairs. Not sure if the two were combined into one or the other one is just vacant. CLUB ASIA is closed. See the big door left of the staircase and look up you can still see 3 signs that say Club Asia.
HISO became 2 bars: GOLD MOON and J BAR. But before HISO it was NERO'S, another bar, and upstairs THE EXECUTIVE.
Paradisa Beer Garden next to McDonalds had 3 bars in the past now only 1 (Bunny).
The 3 mega bars were CRYSTAL PALACE, DOLLHOUSE, and ATLANTIS. Now really only 1 because CRYSTAL PALACE is closed and the 2 remaining only have enough girls to fill up one of the mega bars back in the day.
The only new gogo bars would be SKYFALL at the bottom of Grand Central Hotel, MEIKO's near the closed CRYSTAL PALACE.
Let's cross MacArthur at McDonalds. On San Pablo is Vincent Resort. Used to have another name and had girls for rent. Can not remember if it was just waitresses or if they had a small stage. But minus another place to rent girls.
Swagman area used to have 2 gogo type bars and 2-3 small bars (no stage) you could take the waitresses for rent. The 2 gogo bars are gone. The 2-3 small bars I could not tell when I walked past at 9:30 PM Thursday.
I never said you could not have a good time here now. But your good time now is nothing like the good time you could have had 10 or 20 years ago because there were more bars, more girls, and better attitude / service. But my bread and butter were street girls and short time bars, so damn right I am crying. I will be moving on after I do some touristy things and get some medical and dental stuff done.
Thanks Breadman for giving me a BIG boob contact number. I will text her and hope she responds.
Pussycat123 name me all the new bars. Not new names to existing old bars.
FuriousGeorge
02-09-24, 03:32
You may disagree with me but I don't disagree with you, well except for the lube part. I go through bottles of water based Astroglide in a month. I never enter for the first time with out a full lather. Doesn't dull my sensation at all. Also another move I pull is, when I want to take a break and not finish, We'll just chill and I'll take a nice slow lubed handjob for 10 minutes before getting back to business. Love it.
I disagree with you. Most girls like big cocks. It is just that when lubrication is not enough it hurts them. I use my saliva when I feel I am hurting them. Saliva is a natural lubricant. If you use KY jelly and other lubricants it makes too wet and sensation is not there. Even in US I have had fun with many white girls who have small pussies comparable to Asians. Key is to make the girls comfortable. Once they know you are not going to tear them apart they are game for your big cock. If you read Kamasutra it says lubrication by foreplay is very important for good sex.
Whether they are bargirls or just friends do not force yourself on them by hurting them. They may grin and bear it but will not be open to all night sex.
LoveItHere69
02-09-24, 14:17
Today I was reminded why I hate the bars so much. Went to Club XS since it seems to be popularly mentioned on this site. Friday 7:30 pm. Lots of girls. Oh, sorry. Models! All wearing full length dresses. Can not see if they have fat asses and if so just how fat. Baby tummy damage. Who knows. Russia roulette there. Thunder thighs? Maybe maybe not. I have to buy her a drink just to even try to find out.
Power Extreme wore clothes you could actually see their bodies but none of them jumped out at me for being really sexy (aka barfineable).
Next dance group wore camo pants with half shirt but could not really see their midsection. Later changed into a full white shirt.
The taped girls are Super Models. I could see their bodies! I asked the waitress how much. She had no idea. I had to ask the mamasan. On my way out I asked 2 security guards and a waitress. Still no idea. Finally asked a mamasan. She said 5000 or 6000 p depending on which girl. You know it will always be the higher price. So much work just to get what should be a simple price.
There are no names or numbers on any of the girls so you have to find a mamasan and laser point the girl to get the one you want or to get a price. I hate doing that.
So basically what I flew halfway around the world to buy, I have to pull teeth to get a price for. Simply amazing! All I need the girls to do is wear the least amount of clothes as possible, shake their asses, and jiggle their boobs. SOLD!
Glad to hear this. I will be there next week. Sadly I am probably in the same league as Koreans in terms of dick size. I am from Taiwan.I have mongered all over the world and from my experience Filipinas have the tightest pussies I have ever had the pleasure of banging. Makes me realize I need to get back there.
I have mongered all over the world and from my experience Filipinas have the tightest pussies I have ever had the pleasure of banging. Makes me realize I need to get back there.They are by far the tightest! Even the ones with 2-3 kids. I am finding the girls from Mindinao are some of the nicest ones around.
Pussycat123
02-10-24, 06:18
Dollars to donuts, they'll use the same train route as the old train route from San Fernando to Tarlac which, BTW, was the same route used to carried the Death March prisoners to Camp O'Donnell.
https://app.box.com/s/aor45ajp6u053oxdkmic1f8jckcaw0bv
https://app.box.com/s/ir4pnckhcke9ustkfsnledlhk4lpplrlYeah, I think they are basically following the old PNR right of way.
Pussycat123
02-10-24, 06:52
Please name the replacement bars for all of us Pussycat123.
Perimeter:
Showtyme.
Garfields.
Thunderbirds.
Black Satin.
Niftys.
Rio.
Banana Peel.
Greyfox.
CNBC
Candy Bar.
XXX.
Night Moves.
Total: 12.
Between Teodoro St and Envy:
Old bar.
Insomnia.
Camelot.
SS.
Soya.
Ace.
Total: 6 bars.
Walking St (From Envy to McDonalds), Left side:
Stars.
Sky.
Owls Nest.
Q Bar.
XS.
Lucifer.
123.
Monsoon.
Badboy.
Hi Quality.
Champagne.
Barnana.
Viking.
Casino.
Aura.
Total: 15 bars.
Walking St (From Envy to McDonalds), Right side:
Carousel.
Dollhouse.
Lollipop.
Atlantis.
Geckos.
La Bamba.
Rhapsody.
Angel Witch.
Shooters.
Cosplay.
Skyfalls.
Genesis.
Elite.
J Bar.
Gold Moon Bar.
Baccarra.
Sensations.
Dragon.
Penguin.
Bunny ranch.
Total: 20 bars.
Miscellaneous:
Star King.
Party one.
Meikos.
Bodyshop.
Las Vegas.
Love Knots.
Wine bar.
Dimples.
Kona.
Niagara.
Sweet Bar.
Total: 11 bars.
GRAND TOTAL 64 BARS.
Ok its 64, not 67. My bad...
LoveItHere69
02-10-24, 08:17
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Perimeter:
Showtyme.
Garfields.
Thunderbirds.
Black Satin.
Niftys.
Rio.
Banana Peel.
Greyfox.
CNBC
Candy Bar.
XXX.
Night Moves.
Total: 12.64 bars X 20 girls average = 1200 girls. So some have done 2-3%!
Saw doctor Ericka Joy De Guzman. Appeared to me to be a common sense doctor like her dad. 660 Don Juico Ave. Looked thru the Blue Book which is now half the thickness than 7 years prior which should tell you something.
Walked Perimeter starting at the end at Jollibee / Burger King in Korea Town.
20 years ago you went down perimeter and turned left. Go half a block on the left was a hotel with a bar. Across the street was JOLLY FROG and another bar. Of course all 3 have been gone for nearly 15 years.
Walking Perimeter to Fields was first STAR GATE bar now gone.
Next was a gogo bar inside Clarkton Hotel. Not sure if still there or not. I am guessing not. Right next door were a group of 5 bars. Lost in Asia, RHODIES and another in one building. Then right next door the other 2 which were Korean bars. All are gone with the doors, windows, and roofs gone.
I think the next one is THI-HI. Talked to the guy outside and he said it was no longer a go-go bar but had waitresses. Not sure if that meant the waitresses were available for rental or not. Do not care. Most waitresses are older and fatter than I am interested in.
I finally come upon my first bars. NO WAY bar and POSAIDON which were there prior. Immediately following was a building with 3 bars that is either being rebuilt or being torn down. Hard to tell with so much of the building missing. The last bar in that group of 3 was the only one I can remember FIRE AND ICE. I think BABYDOLLS was upstairs.
The first 3 were way back in the day but the others I believe all existed before the COVID lockdown and I will not count the Clarkton Hotel bar. So STAR GATE + LOST IN ASIA + RHODIES + the 3 beside + THI-HI + FIRE AND ICE + the 2 beside = 10 bars. Please name the replacement bars for all of us Pussycat123.Oh yeah first time there was 2005 and many memories. Dollhouse and Atlantis were where the real "models" were, but higher prices for sure. I saw the hottest filipina I have seen in Atlantis one night and got a couple dates with her, was gorgeous. She got wifed by some American guy who was a tool and was basically buying her for a few years. Was staying at ABC one time and she didn't tell me she was on her period, fuck had to pay $150 for new sheets etc.
First bar ever went into was treasure island after I walked out of Wild Orchid, which in those days was the baller hotel. Walked straight into a trap and took home 2 LBFM's. Was in heaven and went back at least 10-12 times since. Hope to hit AC again this year.
They are by far the tightest! Even the ones with 2-3 kids. I am finding the girls from Mindinao are some of the nicest ones around.In my last visit to the Philippines in 2007 I met this girl in a club in Angeles called the Honeypot. She was probably the least experienced hooker I have ever been with in my life. The mamasan told me she was fresh from Mindanao and lost her virginity two days before. When we got to my room she just sat there saying nothing. When I got undressed and she saw my penis she mumbled something in broken English and I asked her what she said. She said "I want to go back to Honeypot". Boy was she tight. I really struggled to enter.
In my last visit to the Philippines in 2007 I met this girl in a club in Angeles called the Honeypot. She was probably the least experienced hooker I have ever been with in my life. The mamasan told me she was fresh from Mindanao and lost her virginity two days before. When we got to my room she just sat there saying nothing. When I got undressed and she saw my penis she mumbled something in broken English and I asked her what she said. She said "I want to go back to Honeypot". Boy was she tight. I really struggled to enter.Am I understanding this correctly, she said she wanted to go back to the bar and not have sex with you but somehow it happened anyway?
Sir Lancelot
02-11-24, 21:35
I've been researching my forthcoming trip this afternoon, so a big 'thank you' to those who have posted field reports over the past six months. Plus Westcoast and Sailor Jack for getting me in the mood with some great photos.
Amusing to see NapaSlapper still churning out the same relentless negativity. Of course he's entitled to have his own opinion, but then gets very critical when other people dare to have a great time. Speaking of which, I posted a generally positive diary about Angeles last year and he sent me a string of abusive private messages, including the gem 'Leave the fucking to the big boys'. Which begs the question, any evidence Napa actually goes with girls? He's always requesting people submit photos of pretty girls but he never does himself and doesn't provide any field reports about any bar-fines, or indeed any girls he's fucked. Detective Columbo would definitely be suspicious.
I can't wait to be back in March. I'll post a diary.
Am I understanding this correctly, she said she wanted to go back to the bar and not have sex with you but somehow it happened anyway?Yes you are understanding correctly.
I sat down next to her, spoke to her softly and romantically, eased her mind and disposed of her concerns. She did go back to the bar only not exactly when she wanted.
WestCoast1
02-11-24, 23:25
Which begs the question, any evidence Napa actually goes with girls? He's always requesting people submit photos of pretty girls but he never does himself and doesn't provide any field reports about any bar-fines, or indeed any girls he's fucked. Detective Columbo would definitely be suspicious.Ya that's the guy. I believe NS says he does not barfine. Requesting others to submit photos of their barfines is the ultimate hypocrisy, which he doesn't deny.
WestCoast1
02-12-24, 01:17
I can't wait to be back in March. I'll post a diary.Recommend Lollipop. Get in there, find yourself something small, 20, and cute. Get some balls-deep relief. Nay-sayers head to BKK.
I've been researching my forthcoming trip this afternoon, so a big 'thank you' to those who have posted field reports over the past six months. Plus Westcoast and Sailor Jack for getting me in the mood with some great photos.
Amusing to see NapaSlapper still churning out the same relentless negativity. Of course he's entitled to have his own opinion, but then gets very critical when other people dare to have a great time. Speaking of which, I posted a generally positive diary about Angeles last year and he sent me a string of abusive private messages, including the gem 'Leave the fucking to the big boys'. Which begs the question, any evidence Napa actually goes with girls? He's always requesting people submit photos of pretty girls but he never does himself and doesn't provide any field reports about any bar-fines, or indeed any girls he's fucked. Detective Columbo would definitely be suspicious.
I can't wait to be back in March. I'll post a diary.Do not be afraid or scared off by fake NS reports. Of course everywhere is not like the good ole days. Good old days are gone. Period. Yes, prices are higher. Cost of living is higher. If your income hasn't increased over time then you are screwed elsewhere and everywhere including in AC. BUT you can still make some new good ole days in AC.
NS have left me some abusive PM's. Sometimes I think he is stalking an AC bargirl and is trying to run everyone off so no one will barfine her. He has never BF and not in AC. Same azz repeated reports without any details.
I have found some pretty nice firm bodies here, especially those from the provinces.
Listen to real on the ground action reports is my best advice. Yes there are mongers not happy with AC anymore and there are others that are still satisfied. The choice is yours.
FuriousGeorge
02-12-24, 08:23
Well now that, my friend, is my type. I'm tempted to go twice this year or retire early and move. OOF, please stop.
Recommend Lollipop. Get in there, find yourself something small, 20, and cute. Get some balls-deep relief. Nay-sayers head to BKK.
Recommend Lollipop. Get in there, find yourself something small, 20, and cute. Get some balls-deep relief. Nay-sayers head to BKK.At least a dozen of those in stock.
LoveItHere69
02-12-24, 16:28
Two things NapaSlapper. First, you are not here. I proved that my first day here when you gave your stupid January report and I landed on Feb 1. You said the bakla have been increasing when actually they and the street girls have been run off for 2 weeks by police. The girls are angry at the Koreans. This did not happen as much or as strongly when the Westerners ran the bars. The police tell the girls to work in the bars. My street girl friend worked the street, worked in Shooters several years, and now back to the street. Plus, the Koreans do not take many street girls so the girls are hurting for money so it is not just me who know the Koreans have ruined it here. She also misses HISO and does not like Mega Dance.
Secondly, you (NS) do not have Korean friends. I had one once and can tell by your vague no details reporting. Koreans really do not mix well with other nationalities (similar to Japanese). You somehow make Korean friends but fail to make any on this site. So let me try now just as a comparison.
Met Jun in Touch of Class one afternoon years ago. He said or asked me a question and we chatted and visited a few bars together since we were both bar hopping alone. On his 6 PI visits of 3-4 days we barhopped 3 bars during most of his visits. 3 times just the two of us and 3 times with his buddies. One guy on one visit was pretty chatty with me. Most the time I tagged along just to chat on and off with Jun. These were semi-business related and these guys are after pussy like the rest of us so why talk with me? Same as why talk to you?
Jun smoked Marlboros. It drove me nuts because he rarely ever finished a cigarette. He smoked half to two thirds and put it out. 7 minutes later he had to light another one. The sheer amount of money he lit up was impressive. He only drank Jack Daniels and Coke. Once is Crystal Palace Jun wanted to leave because he saw some Chinese. Not sure if it was just him or if most Koreans do not like Chinese. Funny thing was when the two of us went bar hopping there sometimes was an odd feel in the air. My waitress friend in Camelot (best interior bar to me) told us that some of the girls and the mamasan were afraid of us because Koreans do not hang out with others. The girls and mamasan thought we were working with the police. The waitress I had met outside the bar because she stayed in the area that I did so we ran into each other many times. She told the other girls she knew me and they relaxed.
We lost touch when I stopped visiting Angeles.
See the difference with details and stories?
64 bars X 20 girls average = 1200 girls. So some have done 2-3%!Reality check. 64 bars x 30 girls (include waitresses) = 1920 girls. Now subtract 70% that most guys are not interested in (fat, old, ugly) leaves them with 574 available girls. I am more picky and would pass on 80% so only 384. Then subtract ones visiting the province, long time bar fine, menstruation, drink only girls, have princess attitudes, and ones that do not like certain nationalities, races, or ages. So my 384 is half that at 192. Which still sounds great. Now I just have to go find them.
Saw some white guy last night bar fine 13 or so girls. So stupid. Nobody is impressed. What would you think if you walked into a restaurant and some guy is sitting at a large table with 13 lobster dinners. He can only eat 2 meals and the rest is wasted. Same for the girls. Most he can really enjoy is 2.
CORRECTION: I was told by hair care / nail shop lady next to hygiene that hygiene was only 3 days a week now. Now she says 4 days a week. She is outside selling halo halo and sees when the street is packed and when it is dead but still knows nothing. Bar girl tells me 5 days a week like in the past. I am sure it is 5 days.
WestCoast1
02-12-24, 16:36
At least a dozen of those in stock.
Well now that, my friend, is my type. I'm tempted to go twice this year or retire early and move.
I have found some pretty nice firm bodies here, especially those from the provinces.Wish to heck that I could show her face. Everything about her was: Young, fresh-off-the-bus. Cute AF.
"She was a black haired beauty with big dark eyes
And points all her own, sitting way up high
Way up firm and high...
And we'd steal away every chance we could
To the backroom, to the alley, or the trusty woods
I used her, she used me
But neither one cared
We were getting our share"
-- Night Moves, Bob Seger.
A Traveler
02-12-24, 21:59
There have been some encouraging reports lately. Lots of bars open with lots of girls. And NS has not been around to criticize them.
I will be there in a few weeks and will post about my experience. Last year when I posted reports, NS kept saying I wasn't having fun.
Sir Lancelot
02-12-24, 23:22
Recommend Lollipop. Get in there, find yourself something small, 20, and cute. Get some balls-deep relief. Nay-sayers head to BKK.She looks great. Our chief talent scout Napa must have missed her on one of his many visits.
Here are some I've had the pleasure of spending time with, including another fine specimen from Lollipop who I bar-fined a year ago. She straddled me in the bar, kissing me passionately for half an hour, then asked me to buy us both tequilas. When I did she lowered her bra, squeezed lime on her tits, made me down my tequila and suck her nipples. A tequila tit slammer.
JoeSteffan1
02-15-24, 01:28
I am a complete newbie to AC and will be visiting in a few days. Read a lot on these forums and has a general idea of the bars and fields avenue. Thanks for all the posts. I will be bar hopping but one question I still have, may be for the veterans.
Are there any Escort agencies or websites where I can get a girl to join me in my hotel if needed? If not, are there specific locations or hotels that has a higher concentration of girls during the day? Thanks in advance.
LoveItHere69
02-15-24, 03:02
NapaSlapper. You will not believe this. Last night I ran into my Korean buddy I lost contact with 7 years ago. I walked past that live music place behind and to the side of SkyTrax, he was out smoking with his two buddies who I also met 7 years ago. They yelled at me when I walked past. Shocked as hell because I thought I would never see any of them ever again. Of course you probably already know them. They leave 2 days from now. But do not worry. You can meet my friend every month and probably his two buddies too. Why is that? Well the fool went and married a Filipina 5 years ago so he visits every month.
Dg8787 we met last week. You can meet them too to verify that they do indeed exist. But you can not bar hop with us because you have to be Korean approved like the NapaSlapper has been and it is not easy. Haha.
She looks great. Our chief talent scout Napa must have missed her on one of his many visits.
Here are some I've had the pleasure of spending time with, including another fine specimen from Lollipop who I bar-fined a year ago. She straddled me in the bar, kissing me passionately for half an hour, then asked me to buy us both tequilas. When I did she lowered her bra, squeezed lime on her tits, made me down my tequila and suck her nipples. A tequila tit slammer.Great finds. Are they actual? Total damage ST / LT?
She looks great. Our chief talent scout Napa must have missed her on one of his many visits.
Here are some I've had the pleasure of spending time with, including another fine specimen from Lollipop who I bar-fined a year ago. She straddled me in the bar, kissing me passionately for half an hour, then asked me to buy us both tequilas. When I did she lowered her bra, squeezed lime on her tits, made me down my tequila and suck her nipples. A tequila tit slammer.Good job, Lance! As for Napa he is slapping his bacon no doubt.
Medellin65
02-16-24, 17:49
It seems best option now is. Pickup girls on the street or Disco and go to have fun around into the bar or sport bar or restobar. To avoid Barfine, LD, mamasan tip and more. You will cut more or less 50% of your night expenses without lose fun.
Returning to AC after almost 7 years, I know much has changed. Are there any decent perimeter bars left? Had found a gem there last time and plan is to check them out earlier in the day before moving to the main establishments in the evening.
Also I believe there was a night club called High Society which was a good place to pick up FL's I think tis closed now but is there any similar establishment that has replaced it ?
A Traveler
02-16-24, 20:05
The perimeter bars were pretty bad last year. But like all bars in AC, their lineups change day by day and even hour by hour. I got lucky in XXX and got a young, sweet, innocent girl fresh from some remote island. A true GFE. I'm sure she's long gone by now. But maybe she's been replaced by a new one.
Expat American
02-17-24, 09:06
The perimeter bars were pretty bad last year. But like all bars in AC, their lineups change day by day and even hour by hour. I got lucky in XXX and got a young, sweet, innocent girl fresh from some remote island. A true GFE. I'm sure she's long gone by now. But maybe she's been replaced by a new one.I've often found gems in some Perimeter bars and even in Santos st short time bars. But its a crap shoot.
It seems best option now is. Pickup girls on the street or Disco and go to have fun around into the bar or sport bar or restobar. To avoid Barfine, LD, mamasan tip and more. You will cut more or less 50% of your night expenses without lose fun.That may be your best options. I do not do street girls nor do I go to Discos. I like to be in bed with a girl by 10 pm. The best options for me is bargirls.
That may be your best options. I do not do street girls nor do I go to Discos. I like to be in bed with a girl by 10 pm. The best options for me is bargirls.Newbies should not forget that many girls also use multiple options at the same time: street walkers might swing by Mega at night; many bar girls advertise online for day time hook ups; many also give out their numbers for after hours meets; shop staff good girls may also be available after work. The options are endless. Certainly not just confined to paying barfine + drinks + tips etc in a bar.
'Street girls' are also on a spectrum from the skankiest meth head to a girl walking through WS to get to a real job.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
02-18-24, 12:01
She looks great. Our chief talent scout Napa must have missed her on one of his many visits.
Well now that, my friend, is my type. I'm tempted to go twice this year or retire early and move. OOF, please stop.Thanks gents.
At least a dozen of those in stock.Correct.
Do not be afraid or scared off by fake NS reports. Of course everywhere is not like the good ole days. Good old days are gone. Period. Yes, prices are higher. Cost of living is higher. SNIP I have found some pretty nice firm bodies here, especially those from the provinces.
Listen to real on the ground action reports is my best advice. Yes there are mongers not happy with AC anymore and there are others that are still satisfied. The choice is yours.Girls like Lance's can still be had in the wolfpack bars (mostly non-K). I think Geckos, Lolli, Masquerade, Carousel, Avalon, Lucifer, and Meikos; someone correct this list if needed.
However DG is correct, the game has changed. Higher prices, and a higher chance that the girl will give only 1-pop vs staying the night (a change from pre-covid). Also it can be a bit harder to convince a girl to barfine tonight. Just move on to the next girl.
Pic goodie. She gives good: Shadow.
Medellin65
02-18-24, 15:19
Newbies should not forget that many girls also use multiple options at the same time: street walkers might swing by Mega at night; many bar girls advertise online for day time hook ups; many also give out their numbers for after hours meets; shop staff good girls may also be available after work. The options are endless. Certainly not just confined to paying barfine + drinks + tips etc in a bar.
'Street girls' are also on a spectrum from the skankiest meth head to a girl walking through WS to get to a real job.
Enjoy. G.Why to spend 5 k barfine+ various LD+ mamasans tip for at least 7/8 k more or less if with 3/3,5 K you can have fun at same way? If you like bar go there with your girl founded outdoor.
If here there are bar manager. I'm sorry I will never be your "foreign chichen".
Of course when I say "street girls" I mean free lance or occasional walker not skankiest.
Medellin65
02-18-24, 15:38
Newbies should not forget that many girls also use multiple options at the same time: street walkers might swing by Mega at night; many bar girls advertise online for day time hook ups; many also give out their numbers for after hours meets; shop staff good girls may also be available after work. The options are endless. Certainly not just confined to paying barfine + drinks + tips etc in a bar.
'Street girls' are also on a spectrum from the skankiest meth head to a girl walking through WS to get to a real job..I'm not a newbie, ma ex was mamasan in walking street. I know how is bar life. I know bar owners and how they exploit girls, I know very well how bar managers pretend to be your friends in order to make you buy drinks while for them you are just a "customer", I know the insistence of most mamasans in offering you girls and then asking for LD and tips. I have experienced this system as an internal spectator and I know that girls often don't even get 50% of what you spend. Everyone is free to have fun as they see fit, but it is still stupid to pretend not to see certain truths.
Yankees532
02-19-24, 05:31
Long time monger, first time poster on here.
Been to Angeles several times before, most recently in 2017 and 2019 pre-covid with good experiences. This trip in 2024 was my first time back in 5 years so was interested to see what has changed.
Managed to get away from the wife and family during a recent vacation to Taiwan for a couple days and make my way back to Angeles. A little background on me, 30 years old, American born Asian, good shape and build.
Stayed at Central Park Tower as I had in my previous trips. Rooms still look the exact same LOL, but no complaints and well worth the $100 USD daily rate to get a corner room up on the 10th floor with the bathtub and shower.
Landed in the new Clark airport on a Tuesday morning straight from the states (transfer in taipei). $300 peso ride direct to hotel from airport and checked in with no issues. Took a nap until 5 pm and went straight to walking street to see what's changed. Being my first trip in 5 years, didn't even bother to research on here before arriving (should have in hindsight).
People watched like many do for an hour at Kokomos and taking it all in before hitting up the bars. I randomly asked an older man next to me which bars were good and he recommended a couple further down walking street. First observations were that a lot has changed since 2019, definitely less people overall, and more Korean presence. A couple of the bars I remember going to before had closed as well further down walking street, specifically in the alleys before hitting McDonalds.
Started my first night at Genesis around 6 pm. Bar was fairly empty, maybe 10 girls onstage of which none interested me. A couple girls sitting on the side I was told were models and would be going up later. They looked nicer, one girl caught my eye, looked fairly new, but was taken by another guy already. Made my way slowly back towards center of walking street, nothing really stood out until I stumbled upon Bar Nana. This one was new to me, don't remember it back in 2019. Interesting rules, can't go in to look at the girls even without buying a drink (which I did). Much smaller bar, I was told 6-10 girls max working per night. When I arrived around 8 pm, there were 6 left, all skinny and good looking by most standards. One caught my eye, bought her a drink and made good convo before deceiving to barfine her. Bar Nana is definitely not cheap, was told the price was 9 k peso which I paid regardless. Girl promptly changed, we drank back at my hotel room and snuck in a quickie before she took me to Mega Dance for the rest of the night. Finished again around 2 am and she stayed the next morning until 11 am before leaving. No complaints for night 1.
Day 2 more or less the same, slept for majority of day before getting ready to hit the street again around 5. This time, I started at XS, which I highly recommend. Good shows every hour and good atmosphere. One girl caught by eye, bought her a drink but was told she only ST no matter what and doesn't stay the night. Makes sense when I realized how frequent the Koreans would call this 1 specific girl over later in the night. Made my way back to Bar Nana curious what other girls would look like there. This time, same arrival time 8 pm, there was only 1 girl left, who didn't interest me.
Made my way back to XS where I stumbled upon the blacktape model show. Woah now this I will say is tops for me on this trip. One caught my eye immediately and I had the waitress call her over to me. Made good convo and was told the barfine was 6 k. As others have said, majority of girls at XS apparently do no barfine with anyone but Asians and this is what this one specific girl told me as well. Barfined her promptly and repeated the same routine as night before, took her back to my room where we drank before hitting tje dance clubs. Difference with this girl is she stayed through the next day in the room until 4 pm, when I told her I'd take her again. Spent the next 2 days with her and had typical GFE with no complaints whatsoever.
Overall, would say my experience was great, even better than what I remember from 2017 and 2019 (those trips were good as well). I would say make sure you find a girl that gives good energy and vibes before bar fining her, as well as keeping it light and having a good sense of humor. As others have said, negatives would be that there is absolutely nothing else to do in this city other than drink / bang, and the food quality is sub-par. One discovery I made this trip was the Wild Aces poker room, which I highly recommend if trying to kill some time during the day. Just keep in mind the local players here are doing it for a living and won't play any hand unless they have high odds pre-flop. Most of the korean food I ate this trip was average at best, and I'd rather eat that than jolibee / mcd shit. Any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask and look forward to returning in December!
LoveItHere69
02-19-24, 15:36
Breaking News!
Owl's Nest is finally updating the front of their bar. This is huge because I believe it has always been the ugliest frontage of any bar. One of the only bars I have never been in. Every time I went to go in the stage was so small and only 3-4 girls on it so never made it inside. They have been working on it for a week now. Just can not figure out why oh why our resident know-it all has not updated us. Now Pussycat123. This is not a new bar. It is a bar that is simply getting a facelift so it can not be counted as a NEW bar.
Las Vegas bar has been in existence about 20 years. I nearly peed my pants when I looked up and they had finally cleaned it during my last visit 5 years ago. I think it has only been cleaned once ever.
Small changes I have noticed from 7 years ago. The girls no longer wear "Summer Dresses" which were these simple cheap dresses which were the attire of choice when going to hygiene, or pajama pants. I loved both.
I have not seen one "mixed black" girl on walking street or bar. Guess the Koreans are partly to blame for this. Used to always be 2-3.
Many girls used to wear "white face" where they looked like damn clowns at the Korean bars. I do not think I have seen one snow white face yet. Someone please explain to me why this finally disappeared.
Stupid girls can not figure out why they never have money. Simple, they need to take a trike everywhere. I explained to a girl I had to go almost to Mabalacat to Accumed. Trike would have cost around 130 p. Instead I walked just past Astro Park on MacArthur to catch a jeepeny for 15 p. Trike costs 8.5 times more. Is it 8. 5 times more comfortable? No. 8.5 times faster? No. So the expense is not justified. The biggest reason for me is that I hate trike drivers with a passion. I will walk miles or in the rain just to avoid giving them 1 p. Basically only if I have luggage.
Somethings will never change. Stupidity of the stores. I like the coffee slushy for 55 p at Uncle Johnnys (old Mini Stop). 3 slushy machines but my coffee flavor is the one out of order. She says the machine is broken. I go to another location near Astro Park. Same thing. The other 2 are working but my coffee machine is not. This tells me that two coffee flavor machines are not broken, but that there is problem from the supplier for that flavor.
I try to get the large Coconut shake near ACE bar but she says no more stock of large bottles. Another time I came late after 8:00 pm and she tells me they are closed. Later I noticed their other store on Fields near McDonalds which is open until 4:00 am. Did the stupid "be" ever tell me to go try the other location? Hell no.
Korean buddies wanted to go to XS bar after eating at Kokomos. Korean bars suck. Most of the girls are wearing business attire type dresses and not cocktail type sexy dresses. I can not tell if they have huge thighs, fat ass, tummy baby damage, or even boobs. The night I went the dresses covered their cleavage so I could not tell. If I can get past that part I then have to check if they are drink only girls who never leave the bar, only go with Koreans, menstruation, and then short time or all night. If they are part of any dance group I may have to come back later after they finish with all their shows. The girls used to dance on stage 10+ years ago. Then the girls just moved side to side (aka The Shuffle) 5 years ago. Now they just stand there on stage and their excitement shows.
The life is being sucked out of Fields. The only bars worth going into are the Western run bikini wearing bars. I fail to understand why you guys go into these bars. If the girls in a strip bar in Western countries were wearing these business type dresses you would walk out. You guys that go to these stupid bars like XS. Do they even use the stripper poles there any more? Remember when one of the girls would climb all the way to the top in a bikini and twist and turn coming all the way down?
I go to Dumaguette today. Not for girls. Some outdoorsy nature stuff near there and southern Cebu. Will return to see a buddy or two in a month or two and then gone and never return to AC.
LoveItHere69
02-21-24, 08:39
Pussycat123. I hate to admit it to you. But there is a new bar coming right across from Owl's Nest. 4 letter word but I forgot the name. If you are there you should be the first to report all about it. Opening in a few weeks is my best guess.
7 years ago the girls used to walk to and from work and go on barfine dates with guys in tight short booty shorts and tight form fitting spandex fitting shirts. Sexy as hell. But my 20 days there I do not remember seeing any of that. Only body form hiding dresses. You guys prefer that? Do any of you guys remember just 7 years ago? The clothes make the woman. Those clothes made the girls want to look and act sexy and slutty and dance to the music. Now you guys all want boring stuck up princesses. I want a 1 hour "whip, bam, boom, thank you ma'am" and paying $100 USD for that is too steep. I like to burn through girls and can no longer do that. Plus, I doubt the girls now want that now that the Koreans take them all day, night, and many times multiple days. Many years ago you could have one hell of a bachelor party orgy pretty easily. I think that would be pretty hard to do now a days. You guys that want GFE girlfriends are in hog heaven. Happy for you. That just is not my scene.
Expat American
02-21-24, 15:49
Started my first night at Genesis around 6 pm. Bar was fairly empty, maybe 10 girls onstage of which none interested me. A couple girls sitting on the side I was told were models and would be going up later. They looked nicer, one girl caught my eye, looked fairly new, but was taken by another guy already. Made my way slowly back towards center of walking street, nothing really stood out until I stumbled upon Bar Nana. This one was new to me, don't remember it back in 2019. Interesting rules, can't go in to look at the girls even without buying a drink (which I did). Much smaller bar, I was told 6-10 girls max working per night. When I arrived around 8 pm, there were 6 left, all skinny and good looking by most standards. One caught my eye, bought her a drink and made good convo before deceiving to barfine her. Bar Nana is definitely not cheap, was told the price was 9 k peso which I paid regardless. Girl promptly changed, we drank back at my hotel room and snuck in a quickie before she took me to Mega Dance for the rest of the night. Finished again around 2 am and she stayed the next morning until 11 am before leaving. No complaints for night 1.
Day 2 more or less the same, slept for majority of day before getting ready to hit the street again around 5. This time, I started at XS, which I highly recommend. Good shows every hour and good atmosphere. One girl caught by eye, bought her a drink but was told she only ST no matter what and doesn't stay the night. Makes sense when I realized how frequent the Koreans would call this 1 specific girl over later in the night. Made my way back to Bar Nana curious what other girls would look like there. This time, same arrival time 8 pm, there was only 1 girl left, who didn't interest me.Nice report and glad you enjoyed. But having to buy a drink before stepping inside and 9 k Barfine? I am not paying $200 to fuck a Filipina in AC. I understand inflation but no way. And girls wearing dresses in bars, going only with Asians again, sorry no. I still remember the days of naked girls licking whipped cream off each other in the bars before fucking your brains out all night for 2 K barfine and you would have to kick them out the next day or they would never leave. I know those days are never coming back but once you have had that I can't abide the new AC. I don't think I'm ever going back.
Yankees532
02-21-24, 19:02
Nice report and glad you enjoyed. But having to buy a drink before stepping inside and 9 k Barfine? I am not paying $200 to fuck a Filipina in AC. I understand inflation but no way. And girls wearing dresses in bars, going only with Asians again, sorry no. I still remember the days of naked girls licking whipped cream off each other in the bars before fucking your brains out all night for 2 K barfine and you would have to kick them out the next day or they would never leave. I know those days are never coming back but once you have had that I can't abide the new AC. I don't think I'm ever going back.Good points, but where would you go now instead? Prices were indeed high compared to before, but I was only there for 3 nights and was paying for prime 19/20 year olds so for me was worth the extra $ given my family situation back home haha.
Is it just me or are all of these women unattractive and what separates them from those other countries like Thailand is the effort in bed? I don't get it. I don't have access to fully view photos yet while looking at the photo galleries all I see is flat chested old women or young girls who look like they're straight from the 2000's.
Help me understand the hype surrounding the Philippines or show some stunners who are stacked, whether escort examples or personal photos and where to find them if I ever visit.
Our chief talent scout Napa must have missed her on one of his many visits.Here's a couple cuties NS missed also: from last November.
https://app.box.com/s/g71il7zyc4b2g0bc79zk62zufk71pht1
https://app.box.com/s/gzg8uadc58kwdcuro748w7efsopr625q
Expat American
02-22-24, 09:57
Good points, but where would you go now instead? Prices were indeed high compared to before, but I was only there for 3 nights and was paying for prime 19/20 year olds so for me was worth the extra $ given my family situation back home haha.I can have my choice of not old Thai girls for 100 USD in Singapore where I live and don't have to fly anywhere. Or Jakarta still has 19 yo cuties for 30 bucks or less for ST. But no English spoken.
WestCoast1
02-22-24, 11:10
Good points, but where would you go now instead? Prices were indeed high compared to before, but I was only there for 3 nights and was paying for prime 19/20 year olds so for me was worth the extra $ given my family situation back home haha.Good report. Ignore the negatives. Each of us pays what he pays. If you thought it was good value at the time, then it was.
Here's a couple cuties NS missed also: from last November.
https://app.box.com/s/g71il7zyc4b2g0bc79zk62zufk71pht1
https://app.box.com/s/gzg8uadc58kwdcuro748w7efsopr625qGood find. Regardless, they will never be up to a certain Slapper's aristocratic standards. Unless, of course, he'd confess so here. But there are girls like these readily available in the bars, so he won't.
Is it just me or are all of these women unattractive and what separates them from those other countries like Thailand is the effort in bed? I don't get it. I don't have access to fully view photos yet while looking at the photo galleries all I see is flat chested old women or young girls who look like they're straight from the 2000's.
Help me understand the hype surrounding the Philippines or show some stunners who are stacked, whether escort examples or personal photos and where to find them if I ever visit.It really doesn't matter if it is just you or not. If they aren't attractive to you then no need to come.
No one can really help you understand. You don't have any field reports with your likes or dislikes and photos to set a baseline.
PH is not for you.
Good points, but where would you go now instead?Bars aren't the only way to get laid in AC and AC definitely isn't the only place to get laid in PI. AC has a thriving online and privateer market and for those tired of AC, the provinces are more work but can deliver some great times.
Is it just me or are all of these women unattractive and what separates them from those other countries like Thailand is the effort in bed? I don't get it. I don't have access to fully view photos yet while looking at the photo galleries all I see is flat chested old women or young girls who look like they're straight from the 2000's.
Help me understand the hype surrounding the Philippines or show some stunners who are stacked, whether escort examples or personal photos and where to find them if I ever visit.I think most would agree that the best days of AC are now long gone. However, that doesn't stop guys having a good time there. Most that do don't seem to be shy of spending a buck or two and / or actively go out to have a good time rather than have it handed to them in a plate. Of course there is also the nostalgia market where old guys have been going for years, also have friends there or stop off on the way to other places.
I don't think the PI offers the best of anything: looks, hotels, clubs, food, non mongering activities. However, the whole package keeps guys coming back for attractive girls, in an English speaking environment, who generally are keen to please. Sure there are exceptions but I don't think it's the place / girls' fault if a punter can't have a good time there.
I not sure how to show someone who can't view photos but here's an example of provincial tatas. It's an old photo as taking photos for other guys pleasure isn't a priority of my trips but you get the idea. She's not unusual from the area she comes from. Not a stunner but guys can easily seek out their own preferences.
Enjoy. G.
I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.
Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.
Or Jakarta still has 19 yo cuties for 30 bucks or less for ST. But no English spoken.Jakarta certainly offers a great low cost alternative and indo girls can rival pinas for sweetness. However, those happy to tolerate the traffic, smog, general shitholeness that is Jakarta can take their $30 to Cebu or the provinces and have an equally good time.
I'd agree that $30 doesn't go far on Burgos nor Fields but there are alternatives.
Enjoy. G.
Expat American
02-22-24, 17:33
Jakarta certainly offers a great low cost alternative and indo girls can rival pinas for sweetness. However, those happy to tolerate the traffic, smog, general shitholeness that is Jakarta can take their $30 to Cebu or the provinces and have an equally good time.
I'd agree that $30 doesn't go far on Burgos nor Fields but there are alternatives..Jakarta is certainly not the nicest city in Asia but its no more of a shithole than AC. I do like Cebu and there was no shortage of cuties happy to come to my hotel for 1000-2000 P. Its an online game there though and there is something about a line up of 50 cute girls that I can point to and fuck for 30 bucks. And Jakarta has that at many locations. Plus the Spas with Jacuzzi, food, massage and fuck all in the same building is an awesome way to spend an afternoon. Nothing like that in Philippines that I know of. I used to love AC and it was my go to for many many years. Maybe one day Ill go back but not anytime soon. Plus the flights from SIN-CRK now takes off at an god awful hour like 4 am so even less incentive.
Jakarta is certainly not the nicest city in Asia but its no more of a shithole than AC.
I do like Cebu and there was no shortage of cuties happy to come to my hotel for 1000-2000 P. Its an online game there though
there is something about a line up of 50 cute girls that I can point to and fuck for 30 bucks. And Jakarta has that at many locations.
Plus the Spas with Jacuzzi, food, massage and fuck all in the same building is an awesome way to spend an afternoon. Nothing like that in Philippines that I know of.
I used to love AC and it was my go to for many many years. Maybe one day Ill go back but not anytime soon. Plus the flights from SIN-CRK now takes off at an god awful hour like 4 am so even less incentive.True.
Very much so. I've always regarded Cebu as the online capital of the Philippines. Even more so than Manila.
True. The 400 k /$30 girls are available if you know where to look. Even touristville Bali. Unfortunately, Jakarta does have a massive range in pricing that you don't see in Manila etc. It's not unusual to see a princess decide that she's worth 5 million /$300. Let's not even discuss the aspirations of a Bali IG babe. 🤑.
Another big plus for MNL or AC is that it's easy to walk down one street and find what you want. There are concentrated redlight areas. Blok M is dead so you can't do that in Jakarta any more. Even in Kota you're going to be moving around, which can be a hassle in Jakarta traffic.
Flights are returning to normal but I'd agree it's something that needs to be considered, where ever we go.
Enjoy. G.
Member #4794
02-27-24, 06:39
Let's talk about the perimeter.
Yikes? The new margarita station is nice but kind of out of the way and Jo's Cafe has some of the best made to order food available in AC imo.
I will preface this with I WOULD have sex with these girls over manila gogo bar girls for a few reasons, prices are right and its much more laid back.
Mischef Bar.
Had about 3 girls in it when I went there. I didn't ask the BF rate but I would assume its fairly low.
The 2 bars next to Garfield's I call them Green and Red they much have a name but there is usually at least 2 girls I would barfine, they have a facility onsite which is "rickety" and look like a horror movie set. There are 4 bars here total and they are all interconnected if you didn't know that the red bar is being renovated and will move around the corner while renovations take place. I got quoted about 2500 to 3000st great prices if you can find something that is not too seasoned. These bars have an extremely large turnover rate so popping in every now and then offers a new selection. They call these bars resto bars but I don't think they have food in them not that I have seen. I didn't partake this trip I just went to check prices this was a different kind of trip for me.
A little further down nearer to the new margarita station XXX and a few biker bars which is not my scene so I usually don't go in these is not too bad the quality of girls alone this strip suffers but makes up for it in lower bar fines around the 2500-3500 area.
I think I missed a section of bars their is one korean owned bar here but its pretty much the same as the rest I dint ask the bar fine its the one with the ATM in front of it.
Might be ok to walk during the day but there is an unlit section of this road that never sits well with me after sundown I would just take a jeep (cheap option) or trike (150-200) or grab (180-300) to the main bar area.
Member #4794
02-27-24, 11:54
I will preface this with I was pressed for time this trip so all my encounters were ST and I paid around the same price at all the bars give or take a K around 5 k. I tip around 0-1 k depending on if they do what I ask and how pleased I am with their work.
AC is still imo a great hunting ground with a lot of willing and attractive girls.
Club asia smells horrible like several people died in that place and were left to rot. I don't know what's going on with this place but easy pass.
Barfined a girl from vikings all most always do but this was one of the most disastrous barfines I have had in a while was a horrible time. This girl wanted covered BJ and no DATY or kissing of any kind. A big red flag is if they are in an "open relationship" with another monger I didn't know this until I had my dick in hand chatting with her about "life". They negotiate a sponsorship deal and continue to work at the bar. That's what you get with these hotter looking girls I usually don't partake in these "hot" looking girls and for good reason I wasn't happy she asked for a tip and I said "go play in traffic" which flew over this very "smart" girls head as she walked out of my life hopefully I never see this girl again would be a reminder of my failure to filter out these loonies. Felt more like a doctor exam like I was getting milked than sex.
Barfined a girl from Skyfalls bar she was extremely sweet and easy going made for an amazing fuck. Had an amazing relaxed and passionate session just what I needed not a bad selection of girls at this bar I would go back the next trip. I don't know where these new crop of girls got their moves but they try to rip your dick out at the root. Its fun until fear takes over that I'm going to sprain my dick. How do I explain that one?
Geckos no bar fine here but a honorable mention is sill a great bar has been the most fun place to hang out for a western foreigner for more than 20 years and still is. Was the first bar I ever barfiend from back in the day and is still going strong. I'm glad to see this. Any of you guys who keep the light on at this place hats off to you. It's a sanctuary in a sea of some dreary Korean owned bars.
Barfiend a girl from the bar in between soya and ace can't remember the name but they have more than a few bar fineable girls at this bar. Had a good time she was very accommodating and over all solid bar fine can't complain about this one. She had a big smile on her face while she gave head all the way until I came in her can't beat that.
Final bar fine was at club sky was a massive mistake they lied about how new she was and how she didn't have a baby. Club sky has fallen from grace and I most likely will take a pass on it the next time. Even though they have 1 or 2 other girls I would be interested in I wasn't happy with the misinformation. This girl just wanted to get my dick in her mouth and when we started fucking all she could say was faster at first I thought she was into it but I soon was deflated and she was telling me to hurry up and cum. She just kept saying my dick was too big? Here is a secret guys (it small) this is my selling point to girls who are scared of western guys I say I have a small dick and show it and they usually give me a pass. If this girl was fucking guys with a smaller dick than me they wouldn't be able to get a full stroke in. I don't have a micro penis but its not large by any means. Was a buzz kill because she kept trying to hurry shit up.
On the topic of korean owned bars. The girls I've spoken to are starting to turn on the korean owners. This is NOT a racist jab its just what these girls are saying. They say they are mayabang. Which translates to "arrogant". Don't shoot the messenger I am just relaying what these girls are saying. A lot of these girls are transplants from the Korean KTVs from Korea town and in koreatown you pay about 5-6 k for the drinks and selection fees ect. And the bar fines for koreans only is about 10 k. But the girls say it is EXTREEMLY boring at these establishments even if the bar fines are higher they choose to work in more lively bars with more interaction with guests.
FuriousGeorge
02-28-24, 09:06
I've barfined from most of the bars on WS, and the 'green' bar you speak of on perimeter. Check my earlier post, that was quite an adventure. Good memories and good sex but damn that room is a creepshow. But hey that's part of the charm. I've never had a bad experience from Lollipop, Masquerade, Qbar, or Shooters. That's not to say I haven't had good experiences from others, but these are generally a sure thing. Damn I want to get back soon. The US is so boring.
I will preface this with I was pressed for time this trip so all my encounters were ST and I paid around the same price at all the bars give or take a K around 5 k. I tip around 0-1 k depending on if they do what I ask and how pleased I am with their work.
AC is still imo a great hunting ground with a lot of willing and attractive girls.
Club asia smells horrible like several people died in that place and were left to rot. I don't know what's going on with this place but easy pass.
Barfined a girl from vikings all most always do but this was one of the most disastrous barfines I have had in a while was a horrible time. This girl wanted covered BJ and no DATY or kissing of any kind. A big red flag is if they are in an "open relationship" with another monger I didn't know this until I had my dick in hand chatting with her about "life". They negotiate a sponsorship deal and continue to work at the bar. That's what you get with these hotter looking girls I usually don't partake in these "hot" looking girls and for good reason I wasn't happy she asked for a tip and I said "go play in traffic" which flew over this very "smart" girls head as she walked out of my life hopefully I never see this girl again would be a reminder of my failure to filter out these loonies. Felt more like a doctor exam like I was getting milked than sex.
Barfined a girl from Skyfalls bar she was extremely sweet and easy going made for an amazing fuck. Had an amazing relaxed and passionate session just what I needed not a bad selection of girls at this bar I would go back the next trip. I don't know where these new crop of girls got their moves but they try to rip your dick out at the root. Its fun until fear takes over that I'm going to sprain my dick. How do I explain that one?
Geckos no bar fine here but a honorable mention is sill a great bar has been the most fun place to hang out for a western foreigner for more than 20 years and still is. Was the first bar I ever barfiend from back in the day and is still going strong. I'm glad to see this. Any of you guys who keep the light on at this place hats off to you. It's a sanctuary in a sea of some dreary Korean owned bars.
Barfiend a girl from the bar in between soya and ace can't remember the name but they have more than a few bar fineable girls at this bar. Had a good time she was very accommodating and over all solid bar fine can't complain about this one. She had a big smile on her face while she gave head all the way until I came in her can't beat that.
Final bar fine was at club sky was a massive mistake they lied about how new she was and how she didn't have a baby. Club sky has fallen from grace and I most likely will take a pass on it the next time. Even though they have 1 or 2 other girls I would be interested in I wasn't happy with the misinformation. This girl just wanted to get my dick in her mouth and when we started fucking all she could say was faster at first I thought she was into it but I soon was deflated and she was telling me to hurry up and cum. She just kept saying my dick was too big? Here is a secret guys (it small) this is my selling point to girls who are scared of western guys I say I have a small dick and show it and they usually give me a pass. If this girl was fucking guys with a smaller dick than me they wouldn't be able to get a full stroke in. I don't have a micro penis but its not large by any means. Was a buzz kill because she kept trying to hurry shit up.
On the topic of korean owned bars. The girls I've spoken to are starting to turn on the korean owners. This is NOT a racist jab its just what these girls are saying. They say they are mayabang. Which translates to "arrogant". Don't shoot the messenger I am just relaying what these girls are saying. A lot of these girls are transplants from the Korean KTVs from Korea town and in koreatown you pay about 5-6 k for the drinks and selection fees ect. And the bar fines for koreans only is about 10 k. But the girls say it is EXTREEMLY boring at these establishments even if the bar fines are higher they choose to work in more lively bars with more interaction with guests.
Pussycat123
02-29-24, 09:41
Club asia smells horrible like several people died in that place and were left to rot. I don't know what's going on with this place but easy pass.
Maybe you got the name wrong because I think Club Asia has been closed for several years. What was the location?
Pussycat123
02-29-24, 09:49
Let's talk about the perimeter.
A little further down nearer to the new margarita station XXX and a few biker bars which is not my scene so I usually don't go in these is not too bad the quality of girls alone this strip suffers but makes up for it in lower bar fines around the 2500-3500 area.I believe the "Biker bar" you mention is called Night Moves and yeah, it is owned by a well know group of bikers with patches. But in spite of that its probably the best bar in that area. They have some cute girls in there and I've never had a problem with the owners or clientele. Shit, one of the owners even called a trike for me after I barfined a girl.
Pussycat123
02-29-24, 10:02
Let's talk about the perimeter.
The 2 bars next to Garfield's I call them Green and Red .I believe they are called Niftys and Rio, been around for decades.
Member #4794
02-29-24, 12:13
Maybe you got the name wrong because I think Club Asia has been closed for several years. What was the location?Its club asia adjacent maybe dragons den but I lump them together there are girls who try to usher you in and a guard but the place reeks. Even if Club asia is closed from the outside it has an extremely bad odor coming from it. While I was there this section of the street was just full of trash. Kind of nasty to be honest maybe trash was on strike that week.
NapaSlapper
03-01-24, 10:46
Is it just me or are all of these women unattractive and what separates them from those other countries like Thailand is the effort in bed? I don't get it. I don't have access to fully view photos yet while looking at the photo galleries all I see is flat chested old women or young girls who look like they're straight from the 2000's.
Help me understand the hype surrounding the Philippines or show some stunners who are stacked, whether escort examples or personal photos and where to find them if I ever visit.Attractive or not is in the eye of the beholder, take example here of the recent girls photos posted that guys claim are attractive, some would spend thousands of dollars and fly around the world for such quality, in truth I and many others would not even drive the 10 minutes it would take me to reach angeles for this quality of girl, but each to their own.
Always found by me and many friends, those that set the girl bar to low are having the best time in angeles, those that are just a little more fussy in their bed partners are not happy at all in angeles.
As far as comparing pattaya or Bangkok for that matter to angeles then angeles does not compare on any front, not the girls, infrastructure, the food, the quality and price of hotels, things to do when not drinking in bars, personal safety etc.
Angeles is fine if one has money to burn, does not take exception to being refused barfine by many of the slightly better looking girls, having to bar hop many bars to find slim young fairly attractive girls, then having to wade ones way through the countless cherry girls, constant mens girls, early runner girls, drinks only girls, korean only girls etc of angeles.
The biggest difference between the two places is that in angeles if one can actually get a reasonably attractive girl to barfine (most if not all are asian only girls) then one has to pay the full barfine including the bar and girls share up front before leaving the bar opening one up to no recourse should things not work out back at the room.
Thailand on the other hand is pay the smaller bar fine share at the bar and pay the much larger share directly to the girls once the deed has been done and one is happy.
Please make a trip to both, see what you think, please come back and give us your thoughts.
NapaSlapper
03-01-24, 11:18
Nice report and glad you enjoyed. But having to buy a drink before stepping inside and 9 k Barfine? I am not paying $200 to fuck a Filipina in AC. I understand inflation but no way. And girls wearing dresses in bars, going only with Asians again, sorry no. I still remember the days of naked girls licking whipped cream off each other in the bars before fucking your brains out all night for 2 K barfine and you would have to kick them out the next day or they would never leave. I know those days are never coming back but once you have had that I can't abide the new AC. I don't think I'm ever going back.Thanks for your honest thoughts, I tend to agree fully.
Yes those of us that were around many moons ago and went to bars that had hundreds of 18/19 year old slim, attractive straight from the province girls that would all without exception barfine and fuck all night for a few hundred pesos are mainly shocked at what the new angeles city has become.
Yes those days are never coming back, not even close, hence why angeles has been so dead for western punters, as many have said many destinations the world over, especially asia where a good time can be had at many times the same or cheaper prices as angeles.
Punters are not fools, if they are not happy they tend to vote with their feet as can be seen by many many empty western bars on walking st and also fields avenue.
Thanks for your honest thoughts, I tend to agree fully.
Yes those of us that were around many moons ago and went to bars that had hundreds of 18/19 year old slim, attractive straight from the province girls that would all without exception barfine and fuck all night for a few hundred pesos are mainly shocked at what the new angeles city has become.
Yes those days are never coming back, not even close, hence why angeles has been so dead for western punters, as many have said many destinations the world over, especially asia where a good time can be had at many times the same or cheaper prices as angeles.
Punters are not fools, if they are not happy they tend to vote with their feet as can be seen by many many empty western bars on walking st and also fields avenue.In my opinion, guys who think Angeles City is great usually are new or relatively new to Angeles City. For guys who have been visiting Angeles City for years, it is hard not to compare the experience to the old days and be disappointed. If you have no point of comparison, and you're just comparing it to your home country, then it is great. But if you have experienced the way it was, it is a shadow of what it used to be. That doesn't mean that you won't' have a good time in Angeles City, it just means it is not as great or cheap as it used to be years ago. I first visited Angeles City 35 years old and the attitude of the girls back then was very different.
Expat American
03-01-24, 17:15
AC is still imo a great hunting ground with a lot of willing and attractive girls.
Barfined a girl from vikings all most always do but this was one of the most disastrous barfines I have had in a while was a horrible time. This girl wanted covered BJ and no DATY or kissing of any kind. A big red flag is if they are in an "open relationship" with another monger I didn't know this until I had my dick in hand chatting with her about "life". They negotiate a sponsorship deal and continue to work at the bar. That's what you get with these hotter looking girls I usually don't partake in these "hot" looking girls and for good reason I wasn't happy she asked for a tip and I said "go play in traffic" which flew over this very "smart" girls head as she walked out of my life hopefully I never see this girl again would be a reminder of my failure to filter out these loonies. Felt more like a doctor exam like I was getting milked than sex.Did I read that correctly? Covered BJ in Angeles city? For a 5 k Peso bar fine? Okay, maybe it was an isolated incident but these things have a way of spreading. Default LT became mostly ST. Nudity from bars is gone. Girls wearing full length dresses on stage. And now we hear of covered BJ in the land of unrestricted BBFS! Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse!
Pussycat123
03-02-24, 07:52
So I can go there and bang all the hot girls.
So I can go there and bang all the hot girls.Yuh, me too, P123. While the quality has declined and prices have soared, there is still a lot of fun to be had. Even amongst non-bar girls if one has game. An occasional gem if one is lucky! Cheers!
Member #4794
03-03-24, 04:55
So I can go there and bang all the hot girls.This is when real mongers come out to play imo. When all the weekend millionaires leave this is a perfect storm for real mongers. A little game, a little money, and a lot of fun.
A Traveler
03-03-24, 05:09
Looks like our esteemed local expert is back, but I've been here for two days and can confirm he is talking NonSense. The place was pretty hopping on Friday and Saturday night. I didn't have a problem finding a cute 21 year old with nice su sus and hips. On my first night, and she worked hard to please me. On Saturday there were a couplenot old, slim cuties at Avalon, and quite a few cuties at Gecco's. I scored a 21 year old beauty with a perfect body. I know looks are subjective, but she's a perfect 10: tall, slim, flat tummy, no baby, and amazing perky su sus. Only issue is she was fresh from Samar and inexperienced. She said she only had boom boom with her ex boyfriend one time. Maybe he dumped her because it was a huge effort to get her to BF and eventually get her naked. She was crazy tight and I took a while get it in, but I eventually banged her for a long time. Unfortunately she didn't want boom boom in the morning. I'm here for a while, so I might try again with her since she's so stunning. Although she's not up to NS's standards I'm sure.
On the down side, the place is still a shithole and there's nothing to do during the day. And it's dangerous. I way trying to cross a street and a guy pick-pocked my iPhone. Buy a cheap phone you wouldn't care about losing, and keep you iPhone in the safe.
Pussycat123
03-03-24, 09:40
Its expensive compared to pre covid.
Its expensive compared to the Clark Base days pre 1990.
But its damn cheap compared to other locations.
Case in point look at the Guadalajara, Mexico page on ISG. Someone went in a gogo bar there:
$60 cover charge.
$29 ladies drinks.
$590, YES FOLKS FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY US DOLLARS barfine for ST (10,000 mexican pesos).
AND PEOPLE ARE STILL BITCHING ABOUT $90 ANGELES BARFINES FOR OVERNIGHT STAYS?
Oy vey.
LoveItHere69
03-03-24, 09:57
So I can go there and bang all the hot girls.7-10 years ago many bars had a wild child party girl that could get the other girls out of their shell and get the customers to relax and open up (mostly their drinking wallets for shots). These fun girls are gone in the Korean bars and missing in so many of the remaining Western run bars. So sad so many of you old timers seem to have forgotten about these girls and new guys have never seen one out in the wild. The Koreans do not like these types of girls. Now they have these boring girls that hang on their arms and follow them around while rarely smiling.
Angeles is in trouble because the wild child party girls are pretty much gone which has sucked a lot of the fun out of the bars and going out bar hopping with the girls. Guys like me who like ST will not be returning. High Society is gone and other discos are very poor replacements for freelancer pickups (older bar girls and guys that new HISO pretty much all agree). Only 2 of 10ST bars remain and with fewer girls. The Koreans hate the Chinese and Japanese from prior wars, not fond of whites, and look down on anyone with brown skin. Non-Koreans are not warmly welcomed into their bars so why would a non-Korean want to keep returning? So many will not even go into Korean bars. Once the currency exchange drops from the current highs of 55 p / usd back down to 45 p / usd the costs for these girls is not worth the trip for a now larger group of USA Citizens.
5000 bar fine + 150 drink + 250 LD + 50 waitress tip = $99 at 55 p / usd or $121 at 45 p / usd.
Its expensive compared to pre covid.
Its expensive compared to the Clark Base days pre 1990.
But its damn cheap compared to other locations.
Case in point look at the Guadalajara, Mexico page on ISG. Someone went in a gogo bar there:
$60 cover charge.
$29 ladies drinks.
$590, YES FOLKS FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY US DOLLARS barfine for ST (10,000 mexican pesos).
AND PEOPLE ARE STILL BITCHING ABOUT $90 ANGELES BARFINES FOR OVERNIGHT STAYS?
Oy vey.Don't worry. Keep playing to the bars and girls tunes and one day in the very near future you too will be able to proudly proclaim that angeles barfines rival those of North America. This time in 2019 the barfines were around 50% cheaper than they are today. One bar in fields (barnana) already has a 10 k barfine. 10 k is what I would expect to pay in makati, not in bumfuck nowhere pampanga.
Pussycat123
03-04-24, 00:23
Don't worry. Keep playing to the bars and girls tunes and one day in the very near future you too will be able to proudly proclaim that angeles barfines rival those of North America. Ah, so a $600 barfine in Mexico is ok because its in "North America"?.. got it.
Expat American
03-04-24, 06:45
Don't worry. Keep playing to the bars and girls tunes and one day in the very near future you too will be able to proudly proclaim that angeles barfines rival those of North America. This time in 2019 the barfines were around 50% cheaper than they are today. One bar in fields (barnana) already has a 10 k barfine. 10 k is what I would expect to pay in makati, not in bumfuck nowhere pampanga.Price and Value is always relative. For me personally, AC has lost its value proposition after Covid, although the decline started before that. I am fortunate to not live in the US so my easiest fuck is a $100 Thai girl for 90 min GFE where I live now without any travel. So any travel has to offer something better and AC most definitely does not. If your baseline is DFE US hookers at $600/ pop maybe your easiest fuck is Mexico or the DR or Colombia depending on which coast you are on. So you should compare AC with those destinations and see if it is worth it. If you are European and have easy access to FKK maybe its another calculation. Or maybe you just love that Pinay pussy and don't care what it costs, then go for it.
Member #4794
03-04-24, 07:10
I way trying to cross a street and a guy pick-pocked my iPhone. Buy a cheap phone you wouldn't care about losing, and keep you iPhone in the safe.Can you elaborate on this? Was this crossing the street to SM clark and their have been reports of some teenage gang activity in the dark area before the jeepney terminal and stop light.
Member #4794
03-04-24, 07:14
Ah, so a $600 barfine in Mexico is ok because its in "North America"?.. got it.Can see why he calls himself RainMan, aptly named. Excellent command of mathematics.
Member #4794
03-04-24, 07:24
5000 bar fine + 150 drink + 250 LD + 50 waitress tip = $99 at 55 p / usd or $121 at 45 p / usd.This is still 3000 + 90 peso drink + 150 LD+ 50 waitress tip = 3290/$60 at 55 or $73 at 45 on the perimeter if the php does come down the more budget minded mongers will move further down and that area will come alive again and the koreas will go BK on walking street and we should see another changing of the guard at that point as well. We should really thank them for keeping the lights on during this troubled time tbh. They are kind of doing it for not much profit and not much real gain and animosity.
After a 6 year hiatus I made it back AC, and wanted to see if all the negative posts were true.
Only being there two days, which is more than enough I had no problem bar fining girls being a westerner in their late 30's. Quotes I got were 3000 from a daytime bar-5000 from lolipops for ST the problem is that the two girls I BF'd were both shit service. The girl from Lolipop was pretty hot though. Luckily I got one good experience (2000) from a girl from Pinoy Love a friend recommended.
AC is also hot, dirty and noisy and nothing to do outside the bars. It might be fun for some but not my cup of tea.
Can see why he calls himself RainMan, aptly named. Excellent command of mathematics.I guess the /sarcasm went right over a few people's heads.
Ah, so a $600 barfine in Mexico is ok because its in "North America"?.. got it.How and where did I say it was ok?
A Traveler
03-05-24, 02:52
Can you elaborate on this? Was this crossing the street to SM clark and their have been reports of some teenage gang activity in the dark area before the jeepney terminal and stop light.It was in broad daylight on Teadore St on the way to Raine Spa for a massage. There is a barricade blocking one of the lanes, and a truck was coming. There's no way to get by so I stopped and crossed my arms. That was a mistake, and provided access to my phone in my front pocked.
I wear a sun jacked during the day now with zippered pockets.
A Traveler
03-05-24, 02:58
I saw the craziest thing last night. Hundred of people were gathered of La Bamba by where the trikes park shouting and filming. All I saw was somebody being sped off in a trike.
I asked my super sexy 23 year old barfine about this and she showed me a video. According to her a bar manager stabbed a Filipino armed service member. Nobody helped, even the two police officers. He was bleeding out but got himself into a trike. He spent about five minutes trying to get someone to drive him to the hospital. Finally a trike drove up to drop someone off, and he took him to the hospital.
Absolutely insane. Watch yourself here. This is not the place to get black out drunk.
7-10 years ago many bars had a wild child party girl that could get the other girls out of their shell and get the customers to relax and open up (mostly their drinking wallets for shots). These fun girls are gone in the Korean bars and missing in so many of the remaining Western run bars. So sad so many of you old timers seem to have forgotten about these girls and new guys have never seen one out in the wild. The Koreans do not like these types of girls. Now they have these boring girls that hang on their arms and follow them around while rarely smiling.
Angeles is in trouble because the wild child party girls are pretty much gone which has sucked a lot of the fun out of the bars and going out bar hopping with the girls. Guys like me who like ST will not be returning. High Society is gone and other discos are very poor replacements for freelancer pickups (older bar girls and guys that new HISO pretty much all agree). Only 2 of 10ST bars remain and with fewer girls. The Koreans hate the Chinese and Japanese from prior wars, not fond of whites, and look down on anyone with brown skin. Non-Koreans are not warmly welcomed into their bars so why would a non-Korean want to keep returning? So many will not even go into Korean bars. Once the currency exchange drops from the current highs of 55 p / usd back down to 45 p / usd the costs for these girls is not worth the trip for a now larger group of USA Citizens.
5000 bar fine + 150 drink + 250 LD + 50 waitress tip = $99 at 55 p / usd or $121 at 45 p / usd.Thats an incomplete calculation, you need to add Meals, Flights, Hotels and work out a "Per day" cost. Also a "Per Lay" cost.
WestCoast1
03-05-24, 06:14
Absolutely insane. Watch yourself here. Watch. . . Where.
Link?
Pussycat123
03-05-24, 07:35
I saw the craziest thing last night. Hundred of people were gathered of La Bamba by where the trikes park shouting and filming. All I saw was somebody being sped off in a trike.
I asked my super sexy 23 year old barfine about this and she showed me a video. According to her a bar manager stabbed a Filipino armed service member. Nobody helped, even the two police officers. He was bleeding out but got himself into a trike. He spent about five minutes trying to get someone to drive him to the hospital. Finally a trike drove up to drop someone off, and he took him to the hospital. Absolutely insane. Watch yourself here. This is not the place to get black out drunk.I heard about this also.
I just saw a video posted on FB. It shows two filipinos fighting outside Champagne bar on WS. One guy falls on the ground and another one with a "Jordan 23" shirt and baseball cap stabs the other guy multiple times with a butchers knife. The stabbed guy gets up and runs towards Kokomos. The stabber calmly walks away down Walking St. The stabbed guy is covered in blood, I heard he died before he reached hospital.
Damn.
The Philippines regardless of is AC or Subic has increased prices across the board, while service has dropped. Not as many pretty girls, often no BJ, ST only, just an overall bad attitude. Years ago it was paradise. The times have changed, now it's what will you do? Vote with your feet? Cave and pay for lackluster service?
Personally with the influx of Koreans willing to pay, I don't see this changing anytime soon.
Absolutely insane. Watch yourself here. This is not the place to get black out drunk.So do you mean that if a mongering tourist gets really drunk a local guy comes and stabbs him? Not likely. This was a fight between two flilipino guys. None of us knows the real reasons behind it. Not even your super sexy barfine.
Mongering is like gambling. After a losing streak, for example you pick a girl with a stretch marked mommy belly or deflated saggy tits because she hid them well under her clothes or the girl turns out to be cold in bed or you have a flagging erection because the girl decides to pick a fight about using a condom for a blow job despite promising bare, you start to question the whole endeavor. Maybe you should just quit this whole mongering thing. Too much hassle for MILFs with poor service. Might as well jerk off for free. Then you hit the jackpot: May at Skyfall. Heartbreakingly beautiful 18 yo with perfect breasts and perfect skin. And all is right with the world. I took her upstairs to see the pool bar on the roof of ABC Hotel, which she enjoyed, but she didn't want to stay for a round of drinks. She doesn't drink alcohol. Yep. Young. Inexperienced. Feeling overwhelmed, like a fish out of water. The funny part is that once she put on her street clothes to leave, she was totally nondescript. Her breasts and body were completely obscured by the relatively frumpy outfit. Little would anyone know how great she looks naked.
I saw May yesterday at Skyfall. Was looking at the lineup and spotted her without first knowing her name. Asked her name and then if she would have a drink. She refused. Looked scared. Maybe my old western scar face did not meet her standards. She looked fine but not so hot that I would felt bad not getting her to my room.
Not really seeing a difference in what you do and the Koreans. You fly in for a few days, spend a lot of cash and fly out to meet the family.
Long time monger, first time poster on here.
Been to Angeles several times before, most recently in 2017 and 2019 pre-covid with good experiences. This trip in 2024 was my first time back in 5 years so was interested to see what has changed.
Managed to get away from the wife and family during a recent vacation to Taiwan for a couple days and make my way back to Angeles. A little background on me, 30 years old, American born Asian, good shape and build.
Stayed at Central Park Tower as I had in my previous trips. Rooms still look the exact same LOL, but no complaints and well worth the $100 USD daily rate to get a corner room up on the 10th floor with the bathtub and shower.
Landed in the new Clark airport on a Tuesday morning straight from the states (transfer in taipei). $300 peso ride direct to hotel from airport and checked in with no issues. Took a nap until 5 pm and went straight to walking street to see what's changed. Being my first trip in 5 years, didn't even bother to research on here before arriving (should have in hindsight).
People watched like many do for an hour at Kokomos and taking it all in before hitting up the bars. I randomly asked an older man next to me which bars were good and he recommended a couple further down walking street. First observations were that a lot has changed since 2019, definitely less people overall, and more Korean presence. A couple of the bars I remember going to before had closed as well further down walking street, specifically in the alleys before hitting McDonalds.
Started my first night at Genesis around 6 pm. Bar was fairly empty, maybe 10 girls onstage of which none interested me. A couple girls sitting on the side I was told were models and would be going up later. They looked nicer, one girl caught my eye, looked fairly new, but was taken by another guy already. Made my way slowly back towards center of walking street, nothing really stood out until I stumbled upon Bar Nana. This one was new to me, don't remember it back in 2019. Interesting rules, can't go in to look at the girls even without buying a drink (which I did). Much smaller bar, I was told 6-10 girls max working per night. When I arrived around 8 pm, there were 6 left, all skinny and good looking by most standards. One caught my eye, bought her a drink and made good convo before deceiving to barfine her. Bar Nana is definitely not cheap, was told the price was 9 k peso which I paid regardless. Girl promptly changed, we drank back at my hotel room and snuck in a quickie before she took me to Mega Dance for the rest of the night. Finished again around 2 am and she stayed the next morning until 11 am before leaving. No complaints for night 1.
Day 2 more or less the same, slept for majority of day before getting ready to hit the street again around 5. This time, I started at XS, which I highly recommend. Good shows every hour and good atmosphere. One girl caught by eye, bought her a drink but was told she only ST no matter what and doesn't stay the night. Makes sense when I realized how frequent the Koreans would call this 1 specific girl over later in the night. Made my way back to Bar Nana curious what other girls would look like there. This time, same arrival time 8 pm, there was only 1 girl left, who didn't interest me.
Made my way back to XS where I stumbled upon the blacktape model show. Woah now this I will say is tops for me on this trip. One caught my eye immediately and I had the waitress call her over to me. Made good convo and was told the barfine was 6 k. As others have said, majority of girls at XS apparently do no barfine with anyone but Asians and this is what this one specific girl told me as well. Barfined her promptly and repeated the same routine as night before, took her back to my room where we drank before hitting tje dance clubs. Difference with this girl is she stayed through the next day in the room until 4 pm, when I told her I'd take her again. Spent the next 2 days with her and had typical GFE with no complaints whatsoever.
Overall, would say my experience was great, even better than what I remember from 2017 and 2019 (those trips were good as well). I would say make sure you find a girl that gives good energy and vibes before bar fining her, as well as keeping it light and having a good sense of humor. As others have said, negatives would be that there is absolutely nothing else to do in this city other than drink / bang, and the food quality is sub-par. One discovery I made this trip was the Wild Aces poker room, which I highly recommend if trying to kill some time during the day. Just keep in mind the local players here are doing it for a living and won't play any hand unless they have high odds pre-flop. Most of the korean food I ate this trip was average at best, and I'd rather eat that than jolibee / mcd shit. Any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask and look forward to returning in December!
WestCoast1
03-06-24, 16:11
Absolutely insane. Watch yourself here. This is not the place to get black out drunk.Missed this last part before. Is there such a place?
Had a few drinks tonight at Lollipop. Place was almost full already at 20.00 when I stepped in. Found an empty bar stool at the back of the dancing stage. There was a Caucasian dude next to me and 4-5 girls in front of him having drinks. I thought this is a good spot to look at the ladies. Well the fun part stopped really soon when I realized that the guy was howling like a hyena same time the ladies amused him by showing their pussy and kissing each other. I changed my seat to another table further away before getting pissed off. The bar girl I was drinking with told me that the howling guy was a regular customer and he spends 30-40 k per night for drinks and tips. Good customer for the bar for sure. But I don't get it why he had to shout like a fucking retard all the time.
Then there was another drunk fool at the other end of the bar tipping girls with 100 Pesos and banging their g-strings like a slingshot and making all kinds of weird hand signs. Some of the girls left the stage because of this idiot's behaviour. What a geezer.
Line up was mediocre.
Member #4794
03-06-24, 17:12
Missed this last part before. Is there such a place?Even the self proclaimed king of angeles city overstayroad aka marcos got a ring and phone stolen from him among other things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP3TfL8IeS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rW5phirHlw
Acebachelor is so braindead he got his whole life stolen from, him in broad daylight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsAEuNCf7GA
You are right drunk guys get cleaned out universally the world over. This even happens in Japan may be the safest place I've visited on the planet and the only time you may be in danger is when you are black out drunk.
SportMongr
03-06-24, 22:18
Not really seeing a difference in what you do and the Koreans. You fly in for a few days, spend a lot of cash and fly out to meet the family.I am in the same. Visiting the PI for the first time in 7 years+ AC was already in the decline with Korean invasion. By no means do I have an issue with any culture- I am a world traveler and appreciate diversity but here's the problem. When the Korean ownership group came in and bought up all the clubs and then advise the ladies to only date Korean / Asian. That is not cool. There is no other culture that does this? Travel to the DR. The locals don't say you can't date gringos or asians. Travel Euro zones and it is an Equal opportunity environment. It's up to the lady. If she likes black dudes, she has the right to sleep with Black, white, mexican etc. Travel to Latino countries. Nobody sets up shop and demands the workers only F white dudes.
I have my theories why Asian management creates exclusive asian only clubs. I think we all know why. At the same time. It creates animosity I have towards these types of passport buddies and their ownership group. So yes the Korean invasion is a problem if you are not asian.
But I greatly appreciate. Your post. As I will be taking my non-asian american $$$ else where. 9,000 K for a bar fine? Did that include the girls payment? This is a small part of the exclusivity agreement, old members remember the (5, 5 ,5) tag line LOL. Guess it's more like (10-15,5, 5).
I am in the same. Visiting the PI for the first time in 7 years+ AC was already in the decline with Korean invasion. By no means do I have an issue with any culture- I am a world traveler and appreciate diversity but here's the problem. When the Korean ownership group came in and bought up all the clubs and then advise the ladies to only date Korean / Asian. That is not cool. There is no other culture that does this? Travel to the DR. The locals don't say you can't date gringos or asians. Travel Euro zones and it is an Equal opportunity environment. It's up to the lady. If she likes black dudes, she has the right to sleep with Black, white, mexican etc. Travel to Latino countries. Nobody sets up shop and demands the workers only F white dudes.
I have my theories why Asian management creates exclusive asian only clubs. I think we all know why. At the same time. It creates animosity I have towards these types of passport buddies and their ownership group. So yes the Korean invasion is a problem if you are not asian.
But I greatly appreciate. Your post. As I will be taking my non-Asian american $$$ else where. 9,000 K for a bar fine? Did that include the girls payment? This is a small part of the exclusivity agreement, old members remember the (5, 5 ,5) tag line LOL. Guess it's more like (10-15, 5, 5).If you read the post of others here, many have said that they have gone to Korean bars and had no issues with bar fining the girls. If they are enforcing a Korean customer only mandate, they are doing a very poor job. It is up to the girl whether they want to go.
SportMongr
03-06-24, 23:00
Don't be that guy Tucker Carlson, Anyone with half a brain does not pay $590 for an everyday session in Mexico in any city. Also, Mexico tends to be a short flight from the US / Canada for most, so the 24 +hours to arrival time, the 13-15 hours of direct flight time being cramped in like cattle, along with the $1500- 2,000 airfare ticket to do so. Is heavily weighted into the idea I should not be spending $150-$200 on a hit or miss bargirl.
Its expensive compared to pre covid.
Its expensive compared to the Clark Base days pre 1990.
But its damn cheap compared to other locations.
Case in point look at the Guadalajara, Mexico page on ISG. Someone went in a gogo bar there:
$60 cover charge.
$29 ladies drinks.
$590, YES FOLKS FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY US DOLLARS barfine for ST (10,000 mexican pesos).
AND PEOPLE ARE STILL BITCHING ABOUT $90 ANGELES BARFINES FOR OVERNIGHT STAYS?
Oy vey.
WestCoast1
03-07-24, 01:59
But I greatly appreciate. Your post. As I will be taking my non-asian american $$$ else where. 9,000 K for a bar fine?The OP mentioned Bar Nana, which is a K-run, high-end specialty shop in the evenings right in the middle of WS. Cost is higher in BN than the other bars (p4-5 k typical in other bars). You would have known that had you bothered to RTFF.
You mentioned 9000 K. Its possible that you are off by a factor of 1000. Your 9000 K = 9 million pesos (about $180,000 USD). I think you mean p9000 (the barfine amount), or p9 K, about $180 USD.
Did that include the girls payment? Yes, AC barfines are all-inclusive. Again, please RTFF.
Pussycat123
03-07-24, 06:40
If you read the post of others here, many have said that they have gone to Korean bars and had no issues with bar fining the girls. If they are enforcing a Korean customer only mandate, they are doing a very poor job. It is up to the girl whether they want to go.Yup, I've had no problem barfining in Korean bars, on Walking St at least. Maybe there are a few overpriced KTVs in Friendship that are Korean only but who the fuck cares.
As for the 9 k barfine, that's in Barnana which is one of the worst bars in Walking St. The girls in there are no better than other places. Most of the Korean bars such as Baccarra, Skyfall etc are 5 k for LT.
The fact is, money talks. A lot of guys just like to whine because prices are relatively higher than they were in 1975 when Angeles was a backwater with a huge US base in the middle of it.
I'm white but I have to say some of the old white guys I see in Angeles are just fucking gross. I don't know how the girls can be with them. From an appearance standpoint, the Koreans look goofy with their handbags but they arent 300 lbs with a beer gut. Most of the girls seem to have at least basic standards about who they go with.
For guys who are happy to barfine from Korean bars, be aware you're barfining their leftovers. Now many of those leftovers are still attractive girls, but the most desirable girls on roster have already been pre-booked on k-social media apps we aren't privy to and wouldn't even be given access to if we asked, they're for k-clientele only. For some western customers, this wouldn't be an issue as a nut is a nut anyway, particularly if it's a girl you're attracted to. For others this level of disrespect, while charging us full barfine prices for the privilege, just doesn't fly.
That is why I personally don't spend my money in k-run bars. I didn't fly thousands of miles to get treated like a second class citizen while paying for the pleasure of it.
Expat American
03-07-24, 07:55
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The fact is, money talks. A lot of guys just like to whine because prices are relatively higher than they were in 1975 when Angeles was a backwater with a huge US base in the middle of it.
I'm white but I have to say some of the old white guys I see in Angeles are just fucking gross. I don't know how the girls can be with them. From an appearance standpoint, the Koreans look goofy with their handbags but they arent 300 lbs with a beer gut. Most of the girls seem to have at least basic standards about who they go with.Angels is still a backwater shit hole without the US base now! Agree with the comment on some of the punters. White men are just upset that years of being worshipped just for the accident of their skin color is coming to an end in many parts of Asia. Asians (and of course blacks and browns) have been treated like crap in white countries for hundreds of years. A little payback doesn't seem out of line now does it? I hear Africa still worships the Mzungu so maybe that's the next place to go if you are the above mentioned type of punter??
A Traveler
03-07-24, 08:34
Prices are indeed through the roof. I can't believe I paid a 5,000 PHP barfine. But the girl was super hot, slim, no baby, flat belly, 23, and provided excellent service that night, and the next morning. These are Pattaya prices, but unlike Pattaya, BBFS is pretty much guaranteed. That's what we're paying for here. That said, I take PREP daily, and 200 MG of doxycycline ("doxy PEP") the next day because this place is a chlamydia and gonorrhea breeding ground.
Prices are indeed through the roof. I can't believe I paid a 5,000 PHP barfine. But the girl was super hot, slim, no baby, flat belly, 23, and provided excellent service that night, and the next morning. These are Pattaya prices, but unlike Pattaya, BBFS is pretty much guaranteed. That's what we're paying for here. That said, I take PREP daily, and 200 MG of doxycycline ("doxy PEP") the next day because this place is a chlamydia and gonorrhea breeding ground.Its been a few years since I barfined top tier gogo girls from Pattaya but I know for a fact is was double the 5000 peso rate here in Angeles. If I remember correctly it was at Farenheight and the girl / barfine total was close to 6000 baht. In Angeles many of the gogo girls will go for 3500ST in some of the Korean bars down close to McD's. And girls in Lolipop are in the 4000 peso catagory if they are wearing red.
Dude, everyone is there for the same reason.
Angels is still a backwater shit hole without the US base now! Agree with the comment on some of the punters. White men are just upset that years of being worshipped just for the accident of their skin color is coming to an end in many parts of Asia. Asians (and of course blacks and browns) have been treated like crap in white countries for hundreds of years. A little payback doesn't seem out of line now does it? I hear Africa still worships the Mzungu so maybe that's the next place to go if you are the above mentioned type of punter??
Wayne Roberts
03-07-24, 16:29
Angels is still a backwater shit hole without the US base now! Agree with the comment on some of the punters. White men are just upset that years of being worshipped just for the accident of their skin color is coming to an end in many parts of Asia. Asians (and of course blacks and browns) have been treated like crap in white countries for hundreds of years. A little payback doesn't seem out of line now does it? I hear Africa still worships the Mzungu so maybe that's the next place to go if you are the above mentioned type of punter??Yes those oh so intolerant western nations accepting all those immigrants just so that they can oppress them, when will it stop!
Angels is still a backwater shit hole without the US base now! Agree with the comment on some of the punters. White men are just upset that years of being worshipped just for the accident of their skin color is coming to an end in many parts of Asia. Asians (and of course blacks and browns) have been treated like crap in white countries for hundreds of years. A little payback doesn't seem out of line now does it? I hear Africa still worships the Mzungu so maybe that's the next place to go if you are the above mentioned type of punter??Being worshipped by the ugliest girls AC has to offer is no gift. From what I saw in AC race mattered zero to these girls. They hit on everyone with a pulse.
Yankees532
03-07-24, 19:44
I talked to quite a few working girls in my 4 days there last month. Most told me it's not the koreans, its that they spend the cash, they dine the girls and treat them well (heck next time you see a good looking one, look at her phone she's using, as well as any jewelry and nicer tattoos, I'd argue all were paid or gifted by the koreans on top of barfine).
Also found this funny but many girls told me the Koreans have the smallest dicks by far, and many go with them knowing the sex will be quick and uneventful, especially if the man is drunk. Take it for what it's worth.
I am in the same. Visiting the PI for the first time in 7 years+ AC was already in the decline with Korean invasion. By no means do I have an issue with any culture- I am a world traveler and appreciate diversity but here's the problem. When the Korean ownership group came in and bought up all the clubs and then advise the ladies to only date Korean / Asian. That is not cool. There is no other culture that does this? Travel to the DR. The locals don't say you can't date gringos or asians. Travel Euro zones and it is an Equal opportunity environment. It's up to the lady. If she likes black dudes, she has the right to sleep with Black, white, mexican etc. Travel to Latino countries. Nobody sets up shop and demands the workers only F white dudes.
I have my theories why Asian management creates exclusive asian only clubs. I think we all know why. At the same time. It creates animosity I have towards these types of passport buddies and their ownership group. So yes the Korean invasion is a problem if you are not asian.
But I greatly appreciate. Your post. As I will be taking my non-asian american $$$ else where. 9,000 K for a bar fine? Did that include the girls payment? This is a small part of the exclusivity agreement, old members remember the (5, 5 ,5) tag line LOL. Guess it's more like (10-15,5, 5).
Yankees532
03-07-24, 19:45
Yes, while I'd love to let loose for a month straight there on the ground, can't at the moment with wife and kids. One day.
Not really seeing a difference in what you do and the Koreans. You fly in for a few days, spend a lot of cash and fly out to meet the family.
Yankees532
03-07-24, 19:52
If you read the post of others here, many have said that they have gone to Korean bars and had no issues with bar fining the girls. If they are enforcing a Korean customer only mandate, they are doing a very poor job. It is up to the girl whether they want to go.Just want to clarify while I am American born Asian, I'm not korean and speak no korean. I had no issues at korean or american own bars my entire trip. Ultimately up to the individual girl to decide who she goes with, regardless of bar was my experience.
Yankees532
03-07-24, 19:59
For guys who are happy to barfine from Korean bars, be aware you're barfining their leftovers. Now many of those leftovers are still attractive girls, but the most desirable girls on roster have already been pre-booked on k-social media apps we aren't privy to and wouldn't even be given access to if we asked, they're for k-clientele only. What apps are you referring to? I will say it's crazy to see the same fucking male koreans over and over again recommended to me as suggested friends after I added a couple girls that I enjoyed this trip on my secondary FB. Curious what else the koreans are using that is "exclusive" to them given not a damn chance in hell any of these working girls speak let alone type korean on their phones.
Enjoyed the math.
And yes, I did not see any LB hanging around like the old days, nor many SW either. Personally I like them cleanup on that side of things.
Reality check. 64 bars x 30 girls (include waitresses) = 1920 girls. Now subtract 70% that most guys are not interested in (fat, old, ugly) leaves them with 574 available girls. I am more picky and would pass on 80% so only 384. Then subtract ones visiting the province, long time bar fine, menstruation, drink only girls, have princess attitudes, and ones that do not like certain nationalities, races, or ages. So my 384 is half that at 192. Which still sounds great. Now I just have to go find them.
Saw some white guy last night bar fine 13 or so girls. So stupid. Nobody is impressed. What would you think if you walked into a restaurant and some guy is sitting at a large table with 13 lobster dinners. He can only eat 2 meals and the rest is wasted. Same for the girls. Most he can really enjoy is 2.
CORRECTION: I was told by hair care / nail shop lady next to hygiene that hygiene was only 3 days a week now. Now she says 4 days a week. She is outside selling halo halo and sees when the street is packed and when it is dead but still knows nothing. Bar girl tells me 5 days a week like in the past. I am sure it is 5 days.
Member #4794
03-08-24, 00:14
Current misunderstanding of the Korean situation in AC.
Koreans have always been apart of Angeles aka "Korean Town", their presence is not a new phenomenon as much as people would like to believe. Its just as of late they have been making a play for the beaten down walking street and western centric bar areas. If they wanted these bars to be korean only they would have stayed in Korea town where the rent is cheaper. They understand that the higher rent areas require foreign customers that are not korean. Many of these korean bar owners have already gone bust not the first, not the last.
These korean centric bars take advantage of korean hierarchy they are both shamed / forced into a business relationship that is centered around respect. Watch them interact with Koreans and what they force them to buy. Would not go over well with western cilentille. This is most common with koreans associated with the Korea mafias. While you may think you are getting offered scraps or 2nd hand ladies you are wrong here in this instance. The ladies they set aside are for essentially for the purpose of scams they run on fellow korean nationals.
If you look back on koreans who have posted questions here AC in Korea has a bad reputation that we do not know of because we are not targets of such criminal activity. There are a number of scams they run on korean nationals such as sextortion and false accusations that are followed up by extortion. As a westerner we are immune to these scams mostly because we would call their bluff while this might work once or twice westerners would not stay silent about it as the korean nationals do. They for the most part blame themselves for involving themselves in the situation in the first place. Westerners like to be left a lone for the most part and are often times lone wolves unlike koreans that like to be buttered up.
So that being said. You are not welcome into some korean establishments because you are not a soft target. You are not easy to take advantage of and you should be grateful that you are not a target of their more illicit activities that yes ONLY koreans fall victim to.
In my dream, took home a companion who told me she auctioned off her first flower to a Korean guy who currently sends her a certain amount every month.
He bought her an iPad for her education.
I do not know what to believe but just a story as old as time.
Most importantly I had a great time.
BTW I agree with Montana Monger.
K.
What apps are you referring to? I will say it's crazy to see the same fucking male koreans over and over again recommended to me as suggested friends after I added a couple girls that I enjoyed this trip on my secondary FB. Curious what else the koreans are using that is "exclusive" to them given not a damn chance in hell any of these working girls speak let alone type korean on their phones.Korean versions of ISG. Basically forums on places like Naver, Daum, Tistory etc. Off forum communications are done on kakaotalk, which also doubles up as a payment platform. You won't have much luck joining without the necessary language skills. Most if not all payments related to reservations are done through Korean banking apps. It's essentially a closed off system unless you're Korean or you're a non-Korean who's embedded in Korea and know how the culture works.
Current misunderstanding of the Korean situation in AC.
Koreans have always been apart of Angeles aka "Korean Town", their presence is not a new phenomenon as much as people would like to believe. Its just as of late they have been making a play for the beaten down walking street and western centric bar areas. If they wanted these bars to be korean only they would have stayed in Korea town where the rent is cheaper. They understand that the higher rent areas require foreign customers that are not korean. Many of these korean bar owners have already gone bust not the first, not the last.
These korean centric bars take advantage of korean hierarchy they are both shamed / forced into a business relationship that is centered around respect. Watch them interact with Koreans and what they force them to buy. Would not go over well with western cilentille. This is most common with koreans associated with the Korea mafias. While you may think you are getting offered scraps or 2nd hand ladies you are wrong here in this instance. The ladies they set aside are for essentially for the purpose of scams they run on fellow korean nationals.
If you look back on koreans who have posted questions here AC in Korea has a bad reputation that we do not know of because we are not targets of such criminal activity. There are a number of scams they run on korean nationals such as sextortion and false accusations that are followed up by extortion. As a westerner we are immune to these scams mostly because we would call their bluff while this might work once or twice westerners would not stay silent about it as the korean nationals do. They for the most part blame themselves for involving themselves in the situation in the first place. Westerners like to be left a lone for the most part and are often times lone wolves unlike koreans that like to be buttered up.
So that being said. You are not welcome into some korean establishments because you are not a soft target. You are not easy to take advantage of and you should be grateful that you are not a target of their more illicit activities that yes ONLY koreans fall victim to.There's no misunderstanding here.
I spent a decade in Korea and lingered at every level there. I know how the culture works. I was telling people about the vans before they started showing up outside envy, because that's the exact same system they use in Korea. Their use of multiple levels of middlemen is one of the reasons their prices end up being so high. They started venturing out to SE Asia in numbers because of the cheaper cost, but ended up bringing the same practices that drove prices up back home with them.
Korean bars aren't reserving the best girls for Korean customers because western customers are difficult to scam, they're doing it because they absolutely detest the idea of sharing girls with us barbarian westerners. This is direct info from the mouths of Korean hookers in Korea (look up my forum posts on mamasans in Korea having to hide me whenever a local customer was around). Read up on the Korean section of ISG and see the experiences of hobbyists there.
Don't believe me? Try spending a weekend in Korea and explore their mongering scene, see for yourself. The running joke among foreigners in Korea is it's one of the few places in the world where you can't score in a brothel. You walk in with a hard dick and cash in hand and get told a big fat no. Of course there are exceptions to this and the more time you spend in country making connections the more opportunities you get.
Yes, more and more Koreans are starting to complain that AC is now shit and no longer value for money. They're yet to realise why. The problem is they're now fanning out to Pattaya and guess what, doing the exact same thing over there, bringing over the exact same business model they're running away from.
Heck, I could tell you about how corporate money was used to buy up so many bars on walking street in AC (yes, this involves the companies that operated in subic at the time when k-shipbuilding was booming), but that's another story people aren't prepared to hear.
Expat American
03-08-24, 06:21
Korean bars aren't reserving the best girls for Korean customers because western customers are difficult to scam, they're doing it because they absolutely detest the idea of sharing girls with us barbarian westerners. This is direct info from the mouths of Korean hookers in Korea (look up my forum posts on mamasans in Korea having to hide me whenever a local customer was around). Read up on the Korean section of ISG and see the experiences of hobbyists there.
Don't believe me? Try spending a weekend in Korea and explore their mongering scene, see for yourself. The running joke among foreigners in Korea is it's one of the few places in the world where you can't score in a brothel. You walk in with a hard dick and cash in hand and get told a big fat no. Of course there are exceptions to this and the more time you spend in country making connections the more opportunities you get.
.While I haven't lived in Korea I have been there dozens of times starting in 2004. You are mostly correct about mongering in Korea. Its gotten more difficult. Years ago I have fucked everything from a window girl in Miari to high end KTV girls. But now unless you go with local business contacts as a foreigner you are shut out. Its much like Japan has always been. But I don't think the same logic is applying to Korean bars in AC. I have barfined from several smaller Korean owned bars with no issues. Maybe a few are trying to exclude but not all. The problem in AC has become high prices, boring bars and girls suddenly being selective. I don't want to go to a shit hole hooker town to be turned down by some princess after agreeing to pay an exorbitant bar fine.
Pussycat123
03-08-24, 07:40
Lets get real here guys and stop living in fantasy land. How about some intel from someone who was in AC 6 times last year barfining left and right.
"Korean only apps"; There is one app called "Band" which some Korean bars use. Some of the bars such as Barnana post pics of their girls and then guests can reserve the girl online (Basically a call girl service). As for "Korean only", I'm as white as rice and I was given access to this "Korean only" app. I didn't actually use it though as it was just a list of the same girls that you can meet by walking into the bar.
Other Korean bars such as Skyfalls specifically state on their FB that they DONT let guests reserve girls on apps because a lot of the girls dont like it. In the AC lingo, call girl service is called "Go See" and barfining in the bar is called "Direct duty".
As for Korean's not liking or going with girls that barfine foreigners, what a crock of shit. First of all how the fuck could they enforce it, girls are getting fucked left and right, at work, sneaking out, etc. Why would a bar leave money on the table because of some racist mentality? I've barfined MANY TIMES in Korean bars and banged a number of Spotlight girls or "Aces" (The most popular girls). Shit, in Baccarra, a Korean bar, the DJ was announcing my name when I walked in and calling down the hottest spotlight girls for me to barfine. He called down the #1 girl, a fucking pole dancer, salary 1 k per day, for me to barfine. And they even gave me a discount on the barfine! As to why I got this VIP treatment. Maybe because I'm a regular guest in the bar and not a fucking kuripot?
Lets get real here guys and stop living in fantasy land. How about some intel from someone who was in AC 6 times last year barfining left and right.
"Korean only apps"; There is one app called "Band" which some Korean bars use. Some of the bars such as Barnana post pics of their girls and then guests can reserve the girl online (Basically a call girl service). As for "Korean only", I'm as white as rice and I was given access to this "Korean only" app. I didn't actually use it though as it was just a list of the same girls that you can meet by walking into the bar.
Other Korean bars such as Skyfalls specifically state on their FB that they DONT let guests reserve girls on apps because a lot of the girls dont like it. In the AC lingo, call girl service is called "Go See" and barfining in the bar is called "Direct duty".
As for Korean's not liking or going with girls that barfine foreigners, what a crock of shit. First of all how the fuck could they enforce it, girls are getting fucked left and right, at work, sneaking out, etc. Why would a bar leave money on the table because of some racist mentality? I've barfined MANY TIMES in Korean bars and banged a number of Spotlight girls or "Aces" (The most popular girls). Shit, in Baccarra, a Korean bar, the DJ was announcing my name when I walked in and calling down the hottest spotlight girls for me to barfine. He called down the #1 girl, a fucking pole dancer, salary 1 k per day, for me to barfine. And they even gave me a discount on the barfine! As to why I got this VIP treatment. Maybe because I'm a regular guest in the bar and not a fucking kuripot?Hahahahahahahaha.
Tell me you know nothing about the Korean system without actually mentioning you know nothing about the Korean system.
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WestCoast1
03-08-24, 08:36
Korean versions of ISG. Basically forums on places like Naver, Daum, Tistory etc. Off forum communications are done on kakaotalk, which also doubles up as a payment platform. You won't have much luck joining without the necessary language skills. Most if not all payments related to reservations are done through Korean banking apps. It's essentially a closed off system unless you're Korean or you're a non-Korean who's embedded in Korea and know how the culture works.Good info, thanks.
Korean bars aren't reserving the best girls for Korean customers because western customers are difficult to scam, SNIP. This is direct info from the mouths of Korean hookers in Korea (look up my forum posts on mamasans in Korea having to hide me whenever a local customer was around). Read up on the Korean section of ISG and see the experiences of hobbyists there.
Don't believe me? Try spending a weekend in Korea and explore their mongering scene, see for yourself. The running joke among foreigners in Korea is it's one of the few places in the world where you can't score in a brothel. You walk in with a hard dick and cash in hand and get told a big fat no.Great analysis.
they're doing it because they absolutely detest the idea of sharing girls with us barbarian westernersI joked before that pics of a modestly-mediocre vaxxing tool was enough to scare insecure small-schwonged rich guys. What would the K's think of BBC?
Good info, thanks.
Great analysis.
I joked before that pics of a modestly-mediocre vaxxing tool was enough to scare insecure small-schwonged rich guys. What would the K's think of BBC?They can begrudgingly tolerate thinking about BWC devouring the girls they desire to some extent. But BBC, that is a step beyond what they're willing to comprehend or accept LOL. They don't see BBC holders as human, and this is coming from someone with a BBC. Some Koreans see us as sub human, others see us as superhuman, either way they don't want BBC near any pussy they plan on porking as they may not be able to "touch the walls" (running k-joke) after the BBC has had his fill. The irony in all this of course is they barely see South East Asians as human (if only you knew some of the nicknames they have for the locals in PH / TH / Cambodia etc), but they're more than happy to creampie these people they see as beneath them.
A Traveler
03-09-24, 03:14
Lets get real here guys and stop living in fantasy land. How about some intel from someone who was in AC 6 times last year barfining left and right.
"Korean only apps"; There is one app called "Band" which some Korean bars use. Some of the bars such as Barnana post pics of their girls and then guests can reserve the girl online (Basically a call girl service). As for "Korean only", I'm as white as rice and I was given access to this "Korean only" app. I didn't actually use it though as it was just a list of the same girls that you can meet by walking into the bar.
Other Korean bars such as Skyfalls specifically state on their FB that they DONT let guests reserve girls on apps because a lot of the girls dont like it. In the AC lingo, call girl service is called "Go See" and barfining in the bar is called "Direct duty".
As for Korean's not liking or going with girls that barfine foreigners, what a crock of shit. First of all how the fuck could they enforce it, girls are getting fucked left and right, at work, sneaking out, etc. Why would a bar leave money on the table because of some racist mentality? I've barfined MANY TIMES in Korean bars and banged a number of Spotlight girls or "Aces" (The most popular girls). Shit, in Baccarra, a Korean bar, the DJ was announcing my name when I walked in and calling down the hottest spotlight girls for me to barfine. He called down the #1 girl, a fucking pole dancer, salary 1 k per day, for me to barfine. And they even gave me a discount on the barfine! As to why I got this VIP treatment. Maybe because I'm a regular guest in the bar and not a fucking kuripot?PussyCat123 is right. I'm on the ground and my money is welcome in all the bars, Western or Korean. "Western" bars are "fun" and the girls are friendly and accessible. These bars are Lollipop, Shooters, Gecko's, Masquerade, Monsoon, Old Bar, I may have missed a coupled. The girls might dance and might make eye contact with you and smile. You can fulfill your fantasy of picking up a hot young girl in a bar. There are plenty of young, sexy girls.
The other bars are boring with girls in dresses or street clothes standing or even sitting on stage. The girls are still Filipino girls, and not necessarily better than the girls in the Western bars. There may be some younger ones, and some may have elaborate hairstyles. There are plenty of sexy girls available, and they are not "pre-booked," at least early in the evening. I usually go to these bars first to take a look at their lineups. These bars are like brothels, so you have to carefully scope out a girl you like, then ask a waitress to call her down. If you pick a young one with an elaborate hairstyle, there is a chance that she won't come down, but most will. My money is good in these bars, and I am a welcome customer.
I guess there's a third kind of bar, the big showbars like XS. I wouldn't dream of taking a girl from this bar. I use it as my "safe bar" I can take a barfine to "build rapport," which is probably a waste of time and money. The girls wear glittery evening gowns and just stand statue still on stage. It's boring as fuck.
Pussycat123
03-09-24, 05:30
For those worried about Koreans taking over Angeles, don't worry, it will all be over soon. Their birth rate is like 0.01 so pretty soon there won't be any of them left to fly to Clark. Its the most boring place in Asia as well. K pop is just marketing created by Samsung to make people think junk made in Korea is cool.
I went there once and got the fuck out immediately so I didnt die of boredom.
While I haven't lived in Korea I have been there dozens of times starting in 2004. You are mostly correct about mongering in Korea. Its gotten more difficult. Years ago I have fucked everything from a window girl in Miari to high end KTV girls. But now unless you go with local business contacts as a foreigner you are shut out. Its much like Japan has always been. But I don't think the same logic is applying to Korean bars in AC. I have barfined from several smaller Korean owned bars with no issues. Maybe a few are trying to exclude but not all. The problem in AC has become high prices, boring bars and girls suddenly being selective. I don't want to go to a shit hole hooker town to be turned down by some princess after agreeing to pay an exorbitant bar fine.I qualified my past statements by stating that people CAN still barfine from Korean bars, it's just the girls that are available for us non-Koreans to barfine are the leftovers who didn't make the cut on the booking apps. And there's a reason more and more princesses are publicly turning us down in bars (but are happy to make private arrangements), I'll leave the reasons for that for the more observant members to deduce.
But what's done is done. They won and are now the dominant force in AC for the foreseeable. That doesn't mean I have to spend my money in their bars though. Like I said before, other people are happy to spend their money for the service they get from k-bars and are happy with whatever nuts they get. I'm a lot more selective with who gets my hard earned money, the bare minimum is they at least shouldn't be openly disrespecting me to my face.
For those worried about Koreans taking over Angeles, don't worry, it will all be over soon. Their birth rate is like 0.01 so pretty soon there won't be any of them left to fly to Clark. Its the most boring place in Asia as well. K pop is just marketing created by Samsung to make people think junk made in Korea is cool.
I went there once and got the fuck out immediately so I didnt die of boredom.Demographic trends take a long time to play out and you will be dead by the time it plays out. There is a lot to do in South Korea and Korean girls are very beautiful. Most guys are familiar with them due to Korean massage parlors and K-pop videos.
I will say this about the Koreans. Angeles City was in a death spiral and Western visitors weren't enough to maintain profitability in the Western bars. It is only because of the infusion of money from Koreans that AC continues to survive in a meaningful way. With just the Western bars and no new money coming in, there would have been even less girls interested in coming to AC if to AC. There is no barriers to westerners opening more bars but they don't.
The 5 day trip on this week was my first visit to AC. I have been to Philippines 2 times before and this was my third visit. I am a European guy, bit over 50 years old. I have been mongering all over the world over the past 15 years. In Latin America, Europe and Asia. Mostly in Thailand for the last years. Just recently created this ISG account.
Stayed in ABC hotel. Aqua suite. Really nice spacious room, good air con and great big bath tub. Upstairs pool area was also nice. Allthough there are not real sun chairs but just those sofa groups. I mostly ate in the hotel, food and service was fine. They also had own hotel clown to entertain the guests in the dining area and by the pool. Namely an older American dude. Every time he saw me he said something dumb. Last time I saw him he looked like an old goat in kids' clothing wearing LOS Angeles Lakers gear. Looked so ridiculous. I just laughed at him.
Needless to say anything about the place itself. It is an asshole as desribed before. One of the most ugliest places I have been to sex vacation. But wanted to see it once in my life and now it is done.
The Walking Street bars had a wide selection of working girls. I visited in almost all of the bars during first 2 days and then repeated the ones I liked best. I liked more the western bars where girls have bikinis and some even dance topless for a while. I did not like the Korean bars like Viking or XS so much because the girls wear dresses. Many pretty faces yes but I don't like the saggy suprises in my hotel room when the undressed. Allthough the blacktape show at XS was nice to watch. At Stars bar there was a cute young lass with large tits who told me a few times she has her period and won't barfine. Then on my last night when I was walking back to ABC I saw her sitting outside of the bar. Bought her a drink and suddenly she was ready to go with me. But I declined her since I had already fucked in the afternoon. Once a day is enough for me and my libido.
I am used to see a lot of topless dancing and pretty tits in Thailand agogo bars and the lack of that in AC bars was a real bummer for me. And the quality of working girls is lower in AC compared to Pattaya IMO. More MILF's in AC. Anyway I liked best Shooters bar and Lollipop. Barfined a slim thing from Lollipop couple of times and had good time with her. Nice and tight. So the trip was not a total disaster as it first looked like it will be. But one visit was enough for me, never again. There are so much nicer P4 P places in the world for me to visit.
LoveItHere69
03-09-24, 19:06
These bars are like brothels, so you have to carefully scope out a girl you like, then ask a waitress to call her down.
My money is good in these bars, and I am a welcome customer.
I guess there's a third kind of bar, the big showbars like XS. I wouldn't dream of taking a girl from this bar. The girls wear glittery evening gowns and just stand statue still on stage. It's boring as fuck.AC bars are not like brothels. Very few girls will turn you down in a brothel and the girls in a brothel know they have one job and that is to "F". AC bars have girls that only drink, only dance, only barfine to get be a temporary girlfriend which means wine, dine, and take her shopping. How many brothel girls have you done that with? Funny you mention you have to carefully scope out the girl you like. Nobody does that at a brothel. Basically, if she smiles, makes eye contact, and is pretty the deal is done.
Everyone's money is welcome for drinks. But not everyone's money is welcome for barfines.
You said it yourself. Many Korean bars and the girls in them are boring as fuck. Many guys come to shitsville for fun girls. Not the boring Princesses that make up half the bars now.
Pussycat123
03-09-24, 23:32
USD is still king but the reason for Korean infiltration of Angeles is due to Korea being much closer to AC and cheap flights from Seoul.
Yankees532
03-10-24, 02:43
I guess there's a third kind of bar, the big showbars like XS. I wouldn't dream of taking a girl from this bar. I use it as my "safe bar" I can take a barfine to "build rapport," which is probably a waste of time and money. The girls wear glittery evening gowns and just stand statue still on stage. It's boring as fuck.IMO the best looking girls that are at least visible to the public (no idea what's available on any of the "apps") in all of Angeles are the blacktape ones at XS.
Just off Theodore street will pull a simply scam. Pay upfront, then ask you to pay again when you pick up. Check your receipt to make sure it says paid.
Just off Theodore street will pull a simply scam. Pay upfront, then ask you to pay again when you pick up. Check your receipt to make sure it says paid.Is this a one occurrence thing? Or multiple times pulled on you?
Could it be just a mistake?
A Traveler
03-12-24, 14:05
I live in Pattaya but may head over this way during Songkran I've heard that the ladyboy numbers are down. Even at the usual spot outside Phillies et are the still on the street or all online.Last night I encountered the ladyboys on Narciso Ave. Maybe they were pushed that far out. There were fewer normal people around, so it was a little scary, but as long as I kept walking they left me alone.
A Traveler
03-12-24, 14:09
I can report that massage girls are handing out cards on Fields in the early evening again. Years ago I took one and the girl was a rele star. 19 and Fresh from Mindanao, her massage sucked, but she offered extras, and the boom boom was exceptional. I repeated with her over a few months. Eventually she became a dancer in Brown Sugar.
Unfortunately, the girls this time are young and cute, but heavily tattooed. I will continue to investigate this.
Will spend couple of days end of March in AC.
Just wondering if there will be enough working girls in town or most are going back home?
Pussycat123
03-13-24, 05:47
Just off Theodore street will pull a simply scam. Pay upfront, then ask you to pay again when you pick up. Check your receipt to make sure it says paid.You got scammed for 50 pesos.
Pussycat123
03-13-24, 05:52
Will spend couple of days end of March in AC.
Just wondering if there will be enough working girls in town or most are going back home?I was there last Easter and it was cool, there was plenty of action. I was driving in Barangay Anunas and the easter parade came through. Guys were whipping themselves and blood was flying everywhere, on my car, on the walls of the street, on peoples laundry drying on the line.
I drove to Baguiao and by the time I got there the blood spots had dried on my car and they were hard to clean off. Car washes were closed for Easter and we had to buy bleach and rubber gloves to clean that shit off.
A Traveler
03-13-24, 17:32
There are so many hot girls here I don't know where to start. A lot more than last year for sure. The idea that the best girls are constantly prebooked on secret Korean apps is nonsense. Sure, maybe some girls from some bars are sometimes booked. But some bars like Skyfall must have 100 girls, and a significant number of them are cuties. Q Bar had a lot of good ones too. And Biking. Also a lot of bars have two shifts so there are more girls than punters. Of course somebody will reply that I have bad taste in women because I'm not using some secret Korean app to book girls. Believe who you want, but my eyes see more hot girls than I can handle here.
And lineups change day by day and minute by minute. One day Skyfall had a few fuglies in frumpy street clothes standing bored. Tonight early in the evening it was packed with girls in sexy dresses.
Of course I was an idiot and pursued a beauty I saw in 123. I hate to be transactional and negotiate everything up front. I've always had good luck just asking if the girl I like wants to barfine. It's generally understood that I eventually want to go home and boom boom her. So after I took her to Skyfall and made eye contact with a super hot blonde on stage wearing glasses, my girl tells me she's a cherry girl. What? I resolved to salvage the night by singing karaoke with her, which I do enjoy doing with a beautiful girl on my arm. At the end of the night she would not even come back with me. Then she video calls and texts me that she wants tips give me BJ on her day off, and that she loves me.
That's the first time a bargirl told me she loves me. Maybe she does, who knows. Anywhere else in the world if a beautiful 24 acts like she's interested in me I would spend time pursuing her. But in AC there are so many girls, I want one that boom booms.
There are so many hot girls here I don't know where to start. back with me. Then she video calls and texts me that she wants tips give me BJ on her day off, and that she loves me.
That's the first time a bargirl told me she loves me. Maybe she does, who knows. Anywhere else in the world if a beautiful 24 acts like she's interested in me I would spend time pursuing her. But in AC there are so many girls, I want one that boom booms.A lot of them say that very early in the relationship or transaction whatever you want to call it. Enjoy the ride as you apparently are, Mr. Traveler.
How to run a bar into the ground. A bar that I won't mention the name but starts with LOL seems to have made some bad management decisions.
1. They raised the barfine from 4 k to 5 k which resulted in less barfines and earnings to the girls.
2. Recently decided to have new school girls and sexy nurse uniforms and required the girls to buy them for 2. 5 k. With the policy of no uniforms no work. Many girls unable to pay for the uniforms had to stay home and not able to work. Resulting instead of 50 girls usually on duty to less than 20 girls on duty.
Both decisions resulting in less customers. 2 bad decisions and girls are looking for new bar employment elsewhere.
Bottom line is whether LOL profits have improved or not? I highly doubt so. Doesn't take a Wharton graduate to realize the mistakes and to reverse the changes before it is too late. Need to fire the manager for one.
LOL is not my usual bar anymore.
I am living in Pattaya and I am planning to fly to AC for a week, to escape the Songkran madness. Last time in AC is already more than 15 years ago. At that time I stayed in Clarkton Hotel. Was Ok but a bit far from Walking Street.
Last time I wasn't too happy with the Agogos. Most girls were ugly and the few pretty ones where Cherry Girls according to the waitress who asked me whose girls I would like to pick for a lady drink.
So, I am more interested to deal directly with the girls. In Thailand Thaifriendly is a good online side. What is the best online site to get in contact with Freelancer in AC?
What Hotel is at the moment best choice near Walking Street?
FuriousGeorge
03-17-24, 01:17
Well that sucks. I could barely find an open seat there at 9 pm on any given night. If it aint broke why fix it? I wonder if this is the brilliant idea of that manager with the very stylish soul patch.
How to run a bar into the ground. A bar that I won't mention the name but starts with LOL seems to have made some bad management decisions.
1. They raised the barfine from 4 k to 5 k which resulted in less barfines and earnings to the girls.
2. Recently decided to have new school girls and sexy nurse uniforms and required the girls to buy them for 2. 5 k. With the policy of no uniforms no work. Many girls unable to pay for the uniforms had to stay home and not able to work. Resulting instead of 50 girls usually on duty to less than 20 girls on duty.
Both decisions resulting in less customers. 2 bad decisions and girls are looking for new bar employment elsewhere.
Bottom line is whether LOL profits have improved or not? I highly doubt so. Doesn't take a Wharton graduate to realize the mistakes and to reverse the changes before it is too late. Need to fire the manager for one.
LOL is not my usual bar anymore.
Expat American
03-17-24, 04:04
I am living in Pattaya and I am planning to fly to AC for a week, to escape the Songkran madness. Last time in AC is already more than 15 years ago. At that time I stayed in Clarkton Hotel. Was Ok but a bit far from Walking Street.
Last time I wasn't too happy with the Agogos. Most girls were ugly and the few pretty ones where Cherry Girls according to the waitress who asked me whose girls I would like to pick for a lady drink.
So, I am more interested to deal directly with the girls. In Thailand Thaifriendly is a good online side. What is the best online site to get in contact with Freelancer in AC?
What Hotel is at the moment best choice near Walking Street?Consider going to Cebu instead if you primarily want online girls. Much better city, better food, beaches and large online selection of non pro girls. AC will be a huge let down compared to Pattaya.
JonesLover
03-17-24, 11:34
Hi mates,
I'm not old, although very goodlooking. Hahaha I don't like to fuck many girls in Angeles City, but I would like to take a nice girl with me and stay with her one week or more in my rented apartment with kitchen and to get a girlfriend experience. I would like to know:
How easy is it to achieve this?
But above all I would like to know how much money I could give her. Do I have to pay for each day she stays with me or can I give her the money in a lump sum?
Is it always better to make agreements before starting the relationship?
Thanks for clarifying my ideas.
Consider going to Cebu instead if you primarily want online girls. Much better city, better food, beaches and large online selection of non pro girls. AC will be a huge let down compared to Pattaya.I just want to escape Songkran. Means I want to spend some days in an easy place. So, Angeles, or Macati would be the place to go, since I have been in these places already.
Cebu I don't know. Maybe it's a good place. I could go there, but I could also go to the Nang, Phnom Penh, Saigon, or Hanoi. But, this would mean I need to dive in and find more info, to avoid beginner mistakes.
Angeles, is easy since the Airport Clark has good connection to Bangkok. I know the place from 15 years ago. I like the Tequila Reef, I like that everything is close by.
Makati has the prettier girls, but the Agogos are ridiculous expensive. I don't like the Traffic in Manila, I don't like the Manila Airport.
It's Angeles, or the Nang, or Phnom Penh. If I can get a good advice, about what Hotel is nowadays the place to go in AC and where can I screen the local Freelance online (Webpage)? It might be AC.
Otherwise I might go Vietnam, or Cambodia.
After speaking to a few of my old American ex-military friends, I understand things are a lot different now to what they used to be.
But on my recent trip to Angeles, I was fascinated by the history of Blow Road and what it is today. Definitely nothing like the past.
However, as someone relatively new here on the forum, I realize it's not all about asking questions of others, but also sharing info for the benefit of others.
So, I'm personally not huge on the bar scene as I just feel like the whole experience is mayhem and it's becoming a rip-off in The Philippines. I know there's always been lady drinks and bar fines, but I'm personally uncomfortable with being swamped by hookers and spending vast amounts of money on fruit juice before even getting a lovely Filipino into the sack (Yes I know things have changed since my first visit 20 years ago).
I tend to befriend the hotel security guards and they supply me with 'a pretty girl' at half the price. Some have them have been average, but there have also been many unexpected stunners show up to my room.
Then sometimes you just want a bit of relief. IE. A cold beer and a BJ at anytime of the day.
Well, although Blow Row isn't what it used to be, there is Roelgeorge Bar on A Santos Rd. (Formerly The Flaming Bar).
Sure, the girls are older (sometimes much older) but they have provided the best BJ's I've ever had and I'm now in my 50's. It's a friendly place and walking into the bar is like walking into a museum of days gone past when Angeles was pumping when the military was there. The little back room you go to is pretty bleak, to say the least, but it's 1000 peso well spent, with a cold beer afterwards. Every time, I've always been offered more than just a BJ for no extra cost. I just wonder how many 'transactions' have occurred in that room out the back over the years?
If anyone has some other suggestions for Blow Road activity apart from Roelgeorge Bar, I'd be grateful to hear about it.
Phil.
FuriousGeorge
03-17-24, 19:26
I've walked past that bar a hundred times, never thought there'd be a BJ available but that sounds like something I'll try. Read one of my previous posts about a place called Nifty's on Perimeter. They have a very scary upstairs room where you can get what you want on premises.
Well, although Blow Row isn't what it used to be, there is Roelgeorge Bar on A Santos Rd. (Formerly The Flaming Bar).
After speaking to a few of my old American ex-military friends, I understand things are a lot different now to what they used to be.
But on my recent trip to Angeles, I was fascinated by the history of Blow Road and what it is today. Definitely nothing like the past.
However, as someone relatively new here on the forum, I realize it's not all about asking questions of others, but also sharing info for the benefit of others.
So, I'm personally not huge on the bar scene as I just feel like the whole experience is mayhem and it's becoming a rip-off in The Philippines. I know there's always been lady drinks and bar fines, but I'm personally uncomfortable with being swamped by hookers and spending vast amounts of money on fruit juice before even getting a lovely Filipino into the sack (Yes I know things have changed since my first visit 20 years ago).
I tend to befriend the hotel security guards and they supply me with 'a pretty girl' at half the price. Some have them have been average, but there have also been many unexpected stunners show up to my room..You can also get a BJ at Party Time bar. It's a little hole in the wall near Tequila Reef Restaurant. Quality varies but I've had some nice finds there. 2 K.
I've walked past that bar a hundred times, never thought there'd be a BJ available but that sounds like something I'll try. Read one of my previous posts about a place called Nifty's on Perimeter. They have a very scary upstairs room where you can get what you want on premises.Unrelated to BJ bar.
I met this beautiful girl thru a bargirl friend under the Friends and Family Plan. She was sexually inexperienced and worked in the bar for less than a few days and then quit. Not her cup of tea working in a bar. Turns out after slowly warming her up and slowly half inching the entry (tight as hell) she turns into a passionate and highly verbal sexual being.
She was shy and a BJ was definitely out of the question. After 3 more encounters which she progressively gets more sensual and sexualized I asked her if she wants to BJ me? She gets all shy and says she doesn't know how to do a BJ. I said just try it and worship the dick that turns you on. Shit, she slowly gets in to it and after a few minutes she starts DT me. A few minutes of DT and I had to be inside her. This time her V was all wet and open. Didn't have to half inch her this time!
One of my best experiences. The next time I got some massage oil and gave her a back massage with a lot of teasing and then turned her over for a frontal massage. Problem was I couldn't hold off fucking her with such a sight and the sound of her moaning!
Can't wait for the next time when I show her the 69!
I've walked past that bar a hundred times, never thought there'd be a BJ available but that sounds like something I'll try. Read one of my previous posts about a place called Nifty's on Perimeter. They have a very scary upstairs room where you can get what you want on premises.Thanks George. I have heard about Nifty's. I only became aware of the old Flaming Bar as I was staying across the road at the Wild Orchid and walked past one afternoon, peered into the dark interior of the bar and went in for a beer. And more. I particularly like a bit of daytime action, so this worked out well for me.
You can also get a BJ at Party Time bar. It's a little hole in the wall near Tequila Reef Restaurant. Quality varies but I've had some nice finds there. 2 K.Thanks for the tip the Cups. I'll check it out next time I'm in town. If it's the one I'm thinking of it's just opposite Tequila Reef.
Sir Lancelot
03-19-24, 07:08
I checked out of my hotel in Manila and asked at reception if they could book a taxi for me to Angeles. They told me it would cost 5000 but when I told them the same trip cost 3000 last year they told me the new price includes a 300 toll each way on the NLEX highway. We agreed on 4000 but I suspect I overpaid. In hindsight I regret not taking a taxi to Araneta Central Bus Terminal and one of the hourly Philippine Rabbit buses (180-440 pesos).
The journey took two hours and I checked in to my hotel, Penthouse, at 2. 15 pm. The deposit for the room is a whopping 4000 pesos, which seems odd to me as it means I'll have 4000 pesos burning a hole in my pocket as I head to the airport in a week's time. My room on the 11th floor is fabulous though, possibly the best I've ever stayed in. It's like a boutique hotel room with very stylish decor, a free standing bath and about hundred pillows and cushions on the bed. It cost 395 pounds for seven nights via Agoda, about 56 pounds (4000 pesos) per night.
I had a few chores to do in the afternoon. Firstly I dropped off a big bag of clothes at a small laundrette on Vian Road, opposite my hotel. Then I found a pharmacy to get some throat lozenges as all of the cigarette smoke in LA Cafe has given me a sore throat. After a plate of chicken chow mein at Kokomoz, I stopped off at a 7 Eleven and stocked up on snacks for my room.
After whiling away a lazy afternoon in my room, writing this diary and swiping right a lot on Tinder, it was time to go for my first night on Fields Avenue.
I opted to start at my favourite bar from my trip a year ago, Viking, which has a pirate ship theme. The stage was crowded with about 40 girls and there was a row of ten girls dancing in front of the stage too. The girls wear badges with their names on. Hello Janice, Pearl and Apple. It wasn't just apparent how many more girls there are than a year ago but the quality of girls has increased too. I saw a few cute ones on stage and some beautiful girls roaming around the bar, including a sexy girl with curly hair and temptingly large tits. Sat to my right with a customer was another stunner with lovely delicate facial features.
Dollhouse and Atlantis were both closed. At first I thought maybe they had closed permanently but I was later told they are closed on Mondays. Both used to be top-dogs on Fields Avenue a decade ago so I'll certainly pay them a visit for old times sake.
There were 12 girls dancing at Lollipop when I entered. This bar is famous for its anything-goes atmosphere but it was a bit tame at this early hour and the girls looked bored. A few of the girls were nice but my favourite was sat with an English guy on the next table. She had a breathtakingly pretty dark skinned face and looked like a Bollywood princess. I made a mental note to return another time and seek her out.
Incidentally, the price of beer seems fairly standard on Fields Avenue. It cost 140 for my San Miguel in Lollipop, 150 in Viking.
One of my favourite bars a year ago was Dragon, which you have to go up stairs to reach near the bottom of Fields Avenue. I was shocked when I entered at how quiet the place was. Six girls were on stage looking bored. One of them stood motionless, arms folded. The bar hardly had any customers. Last year the bench at the front of the stage was packed with customers, today it was empty apart from a member of bar staff taking a nap. What on earth has happened to this bar?
But my faith in Angeles was about to be restored in spectacular fashion.
There was an average collection of girls on stage at Genesis but they were having lots of fun, largely because there was a group of three Korean men throwing 20 peso note rain-showers at them. The Koreans had a few very pretty girls with them that were dressed casually so I assumed had been barfined from another bar earlier in the night. But ten minutes later one of them walked past and went to sit with some girls on the other side of the bar. She was breathtakingly pretty with a distinctive Japanese appearance and cute chipmunk cheeks. I asked a waitress to call her over.
She was even more exquisite up close and spoke immaculate English. She was 20 years old, had a fun personality and was smart too. She told me she sends a lot of money home (she's currently rebuilding her mother's house) and owns three separate businesses, a rice wholesaler, a burger shop and a lipstick business. I really enjoyed our chat and noticed she took her time with her ladydrink too.
'You slow drinker' I joked.
'It's because I enjoy talking to you' she replied.
The stage cleared and she told me she had to take part in the model catwalk show. She looked a million dollars as she confidently strided down the stage and posed sexily at the end.
When she returned I enquired about her barfine and she told me it would be 5000 pesos but warned me she could only do short-time (this was why the Korean didn't want to take her). But then she told me that she could stay until 2 am and as it was only 10 pm I figured that 4 hours was a healthy enough amount of time.
The sex was the stuff of fantasy. She was a passionate and enthusiastic kisser, gave a great blowjob and was happy to try lots of positions. When I was grinding in to her in mish she gasped 'you hit the spot, you hit the spot!' and began quivering violently. We finished with a leisurely 69 and then lay in bed chatting for two hours.
What a girl to start my time in Angeles. It seems to be a never-ending source for debate on this page about the quality of girls (largely due to one particular contributer it has to be said) but I'd scored an absolute stunner on my very first night.
A great start to my time in Angeles.
I checked out of my hotel in Manila and asked at reception if they could book a taxi for me to Angeles. They told me it would cost 5000 but when I told them the same trip cost 3000 last year they told me the new price includes a 300 toll each way on the NLEX highway. We agreed on 4000 but I suspect I overpaid. In hindsight I regret not taking a taxi to Araneta Central Bus Terminal and one of the hourly Philippine Rabbit buses (180-440 pesos).
.I was charged 2500 for a private taxi 3 months ago but got a higher quote of 3000 for a future trip I was trying to arrange. You can taxi to Araneta and wait for the Angeles bus with everyone else but an alternative is to taxi to Terminal 3 and hop on the Genesis Busses that are usually waiting there at the top of the hour for a direct ride to SM Clark. Those Genesis busses use the expressway so they are pretty quick to get through the city. Your looking at a 300 peso Grab ride to Terminal 3 and 400 pesos for the bus to Angeles (give or take a few pesos). I've done both but will say if your not familiar with the Araneta bus station you can easily miss it.
Sir Lancelot
03-19-24, 16:16
I was charged 2500 for a private taxi 3 months ago but got a higher quote of 3000 for a future trip I was trying to arrange. You can taxi to Araneta and wait for the Angeles bus with everyone else but an alternative is to taxi to Terminal 3 and hop on the Genesis Busses that are usually waiting there at the top of the hour for a direct ride to SM Clark. Those Genesis busses use the expressway so they are pretty quick to get through the city. Your looking at a 300 peso Grab ride to Terminal 3 and 400 pesos for the bus to Angeles (give or take a few pesos). I've done both but will say if your not familiar with the Araneta bus station you can easily miss it.This is really good advice. I'm posting this diary with a one week delay and on the return trip I used the bus directly from SM Mall to Ninoy T1 on the expressway. I was shocked at how quick it was, less than 2 hours. It cost 410 pesos and departs every hour.
WestCoast1
03-19-24, 16:33
I was charged 2500 for a private taxi 3 months ago but got a higher quote of 3000 for a future trip I was trying to arrange. You can taxi to Araneta and wait for the Angeles bus with everyone else but an alternative is to taxi to Terminal 3 and hop on the Genesis Busses that are usually waiting there at the top of the hour for a direct ride to SM Clark. Those Genesis busses use the expressway so they are pretty quick to get through the city. Your looking at a 300 peso Grab ride to Terminal 3 and 400 pesos for the bus to Angeles (give or take a few pesos). I've done both but will say if your not familiar with the Araneta bus station you can easily miss it.The Genesis bus to / from T3/ SM Clark is great. Leaves hourly on both ends, and does not stop except for traffic lights and such (also there is no CR on the aircon bus). Don't forget that you will need to get from SM Clark to your hotel / condo. Taxi's are p300, and trykes are p100 (the mafioso lives on).
BeeWay Travel (located near Brown Sugar on Fields) will pick you up and drop you off to / from any point in AC and Manila, private car, p3500.
Try beewaytravel@gmail.com or beewaytravel@yahoo.com.
https://www.facebook.com/beewaytravelandtours
The Genesis bus to / from T3/ SM Clark is great. Leaves hourly on both ends, and does not stop except for traffic lights and such (also there is no CR on the aircon bus). Don't forget that you will need to get from SM Clark to your hotel / condo. Taxi's are p300, and trykes are p100 (the mafioso lives on).
BeeWay Travel (located near Brown Sugar on Fields) will pick you up and drop you off to / from any point in AC and Manila, private car, p3500.
Try beewaytravel@gmail.com or beewaytravel@yahoo.com.
https://www.facebook.com/beewaytravelandtoursI have used Genesis and Beeway many times. Both are excellent.
5000 being quoted at last minute is not that outrageous as they really come back empty. Beeway is 3500 by advance notice and appointment. They have a chance to get a return booking.
If I arrive late at night in NAIA then I will arrange for Beeway.
The last few times my flight landed in the morning at terminal 3 so any easy walk to Bay 14 for Genesis.
Generally for my return flights I use Genesis the day before and stay the night at Savoy or Holiday Inn Express. I just hate to rush or the stress of getting to the airport in time for the flight on the same day.
BTW, on the day before my flight out I will bring a proven performer to stay with me. I always leave with a good memory! The performer goes to T3 with me in the morning and then hops on the Genesis bus back to AC. Or sometimes the performer will and visit relatives in Manila.
This is really good advice. I'm posting this diary with a one week delay and on the return trip I used the bus directly from SM Mall to Ninoy T1 on the expressway. I was shocked at how quick it was, less than 2 hours. It cost 410 pesos and departs every hour.I believe the 410 peso bus has a CR onboard. The other buses are 380 pesos. Yes, the expressway have reduced the trip to under 2 hours with normal traffic. I have made it many times in 90 minutes especially now that the road work is done on NLEX.
Glad you had a great time. The Naysayer will not agree about your beauties but who cares? I don't. I am happy with my selections and they aren't uglies either. Great reporting BTW.
FuriousGeorge
03-19-24, 18:37
Beeway is the best. It's worth the money. 3500 all in. Very reliable, and nice cars. Direct pickup from NAIA to your hotel in AC. Hell, my Uber to Hollywood costs that much.
The Genesis bus to / from T3/ SM Clark is great. Leaves hourly on both ends, and does not stop except for traffic lights and such (also there is no CR on the aircon bus). Don't forget that you will need to get from SM Clark to your hotel / condo. Taxi's are p300, and trykes are p100 (the mafioso lives on).
BeeWay Travel (located near Brown Sugar on Fields) will pick you up and drop you off to / from any point in AC and Manila, private car, p3500.
Try beewaytravel@gmail.com or beewaytravel@yahoo.com.
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This is really good advice. I'm posting this diary with a one week delay Thanks for the continuing excellent reports.
2 quick questions: (1) How do you rank each of Pattaya, Manila and Angeles for (a) quality of girl line ups (b) ambience (c) overall enjoyment and (2) if your diary is one week behind are you now actually back in Pattaya?
Sir Lancelot
03-20-24, 04:45
Thanks for the continuing excellent reports.
2 quick questions: (1) How do you rank each of Pattaya, Manila and Angeles for (a) quality of girl line ups (b) ambience (c) overall enjoyment and (2) if your diary is one week behind are you now actually back in Pattaya?Thanks for the nice words. To answer your question, Manila would be in third place. I only really go there for LA Cafe, which I love, but I find the gogo scene very expensive and it's quite a claustrophobic city to stay for any length of time. So it comes down to the classic Pattaya v Angeles debate. The honest answer is that I love both. Pretty girls are cheaper in Angeles but accommodation is more expensive. Food is better in Pattaya and there's a lot more to do when you're not mongering. Pattaya has far more variety in ways to meet girls (bars, gents clubs, soi 6, massage shops), Angeles is basically a gogo town. I think both have lots of pretty girls but in Angeles a lot of the best ones get scooped up by Koreans very early in the night. Filipino girls generally talk very good English so conversations can be a lot more fun. When I barfine them I'll often take them to another bar, for food or to play pool, I think you'd struggle to do that with a Thai girl fresh from the province. Also bareback is much easier to find in Angeles than Pattaya.
Both have pros and cons. I'd flip a coin to decide but it would probably land on its edge.
P.S. Yes my diary is posted one week later as it takes so long to write each one.
Sir Lancelot
03-20-24, 07:17
After breakfast at Kokomoz I decided to arrange an afternoon meet via Tinder. I matched with a slim girl with her hair in bunches and when I got chatting with her she tried to upsell me a threesome. She sent me a photo of her with her pretty friend so I couldn't resist. They asked for 5000 and I'll be honest I didn't know what a fair price for them was. I paid 1500 for streetwalkers a year ago for short-time, but these were prettier girls. I offered 3000 but dangled the carrot of a tip if I was satisfied and she agreed. I gave her the name of my hotel and room number and she said they were on their way.
There was a knock on my door at 2. 30 pm, half an hour after the arranged time. It's always a tense moment seeing your Tinder meet for the first time as there are a lot of catfish and filters often make girls much prettier than in reality.
I opened the door and there were three girls. One of them was a beautiful girl in glasses with a radiant smile and the other a small girl, somewhat suspiciously wearing a face mask. The third introduced herself as the mamasan and asked me to pay up front. Alarm bells.
I never pay up front for a freelancer, they've got to earn their money. I told the mamasan and she reluctantly went away.
The girl in the mask clearly wasn't the girl that was advertised to me, she was a fairly average looking 35 year old. I considered sending her on her way but she had a nice body and fuller boobs which predictably won me over, my cock twitching in my pants. Plus I'd psyched myself up for a threesome. Although I'd been duped I knew I'd have a good time with these girls.
It wasn't a porn-style threesome with lesbianism and limbs all over the place, it was just me fucking one girl after another while the other stroked me, licked my nipples or played with herself. The 22 year old was a gorgeous girl with a slender body but strangely I enjoyed fucking the older, curvier girl more. I spooned her at one point as I reached behind me and fingered the pretty girl's juicy pussy.
An interesting afternoon.
I haven't been feeling particularly well last few days. The cigarette smoke in LA Cafe has given me a cough and I'm feeling run down. I haven't got any appetite at all. Tea time came and went and all I'd eaten all day was a few pastries from the 7 Eleven.
At 9 pm I went to Kokomoz and met fellow ISG member Kittykat, who has been in Angeles for three weeks. It was good to chat about our experiences while admiring pretty girls walking past on the street below. There was an extremely cute girl sat with a customer. As I'd already had some action today I didn't feel any pressure to take a girl tonight but if I had opportunity to go with a girl of her calibre I could certainly be tempted.
We went to XS to watch their 10 pm show. When we arrived the stage was crowded with 50 girls on stage but soon the show started with their 'black tape supermodels' performing a routine. Aside from knickers they were completely naked apart from lots of jagged strips of black tape sparing their blushes. There were eight girls, all pretty with perfect bodies.
'The only reason I'd live in Angeles is if I had job of putting tape on' mused Kittycat.
XS prides itself on being the number one show bar in Angeles and also has shows at 7 pm and 8. 30 pm. Apparently the 7 pm performance has about 20 black-tape girls, but their numbers have dwindled by over half for the 10 pm show.
After that there were numerous dance acts, my favourite of which was an energetic number to rock music that involved lots of hair twirling. I like these shows because the girls clearly enjoy them and are having fun.
20 girls were crowded on to the stage at Genesis, most of whom were fairly average but there were a few pretty ones. The lovely girl I barfined last night wasn't there as it was her day off.
We went to Elite Club next, which was a strange place. It has a small stage in a large room, on which only two girls were dancing to some horrendous music. There were lots of girls sat around, for example six in a table in front of us smoking a hookah, but none of them were dancing. Kittykat wondered if this was a club and therfore the girls were freelancers but they weren't eagerly eyeing customers. Strange. The bar has some nice girls and some lovely bar staff but hardly any girls dancing and no pickup vibes.
Kittykat pointed out a pretty girl he'd barfined in Viking, who he described as his number one of the trip so far. She was sat on the table in front of us, stroking the arm of a very muscular western man. I like this bar. It has a friendly, fun atmosphere and the music (Zombie, Lady Gaga, Hotel California) is a lot better than some of the other bars.
Kittykat bought a drink for the mamasan and since they were engaged in conversation, I decided to invite a girl down for a drink. There were 20 squeezed on to the stage and although I think it's fair to say that the talent level drops after midnight, there were several contenders. There was a lovely looking girl but she looked a bit tired and miserable, sat down at the side of the stage. In contrast a girl with braces and a cherubic face was the life of the party, dancing and laughing with the other girls. I was just about to call her down when another girl squeezed to the front of the stage. She had a pretty face and when she smiled I was sold, she was dazzling.
She sat with me and as well as being even prettier up close was great company. She didn't rush her drink and held my hand as we spoke. I wasn't on the look-out for a girl tonight after my exertions earlier so I told her I would come back another time and buy her a drink. She's definite barfine material.
It was 1 am and I decided to go to back to my hotel. There's a saying though that sometimes opportunities present themselves right on your doorstep and I experienced the physical embodiment of that when I reached my hotel.
Standing on the step outside Penthouse were two streetwalkers, one of them was a very well-worn older pro, the other was much younger. She flashed me a big metallic smile. She certainly wasn't a stunner but she was young and cute and I couldn't resist when she quoted me just 1000 pesos. I get a real kick out street action. Within three minutes of meeting the girl, she was in my room.
She gave me a nice blowjob and looked super-cute when she was riding me. Although I hadn't been intending on taking a girl, this bargain-basement quickie with a fresh-faced streetwalker sent me to sleep with a smile on my face.
If someone is up for a beer let's meet. I'm staying at ABC.
Sir Lancelot
03-21-24, 06:10
I had lunch at Agave Mexican Restaurant on Fields Avenue with Kittykat and enjoyed hearing stories about his trip. He's very well prepared and has possibly the most extensive mongering spreadsheet in his pocket with all kinds of useful info about bars and venues. He puts me to shame.
My pesos are getting dangerously low so I went to the ATM at Jollibee to withdraw some cash. There was an old woman sat next to the entrance holding a tray of sweets who clearly had mental health issues. I felt compelled to give her some money but technically she wasn't a beggar, so I gave her 50 pesos and took one sweet, much to her shock. I'm bracing myself for the inevitable criticism of overpaying from a salty expat!
Possible scam alert. After I'd given the old lady the money a man told me what a kind act I'd done and began asking me where I'm from and if I'd like to join him for a beer. It's possible he was just a very nice chap but bearing in mind I'd just withdrawn 20,000 pesos, it could be a something to watch out for.
I spent an hour on Tinder, to such an extent I got the dreaded message that there are no more people that match my criteria in Angeles. I've got about a dozen decent matches, so there's definite potential to arrange a daytime meet with one or two of them.
Evening comes around quickly in Angeles. I decided to start at Club 123 opposite Kokomoz, based on a recommendation from Kittykat. It's a strange layout, a long thin bar with a stage running along one side, on which 21 girls were standing, wearing casual clothes. It's such an intimate layout, the girls stare at you and smile if you catch their glance. This bar has generally younger girls and there were definitely a few nice ones. I spotted a few honeys on the sidelines with customers, my favourite on the stage had a distinctive face and a snake tatoo. I was tempted to buy her a drink as she reminded me of my mate's out-of-bounds younger sister.
'She's a Little Bit Dangerous' started playing which made me feel nostalgic. It's a relatively obscure Roxette song that has been a soundtrack to every trip I've ever had in Angeles.
Carousel is a distinctive bar too, with a big merry-go-round on which the girls stand. There were 12 fairly average girls on stage although there was a lovely blond girl. Sat next to me was a pretty girl in skimpy black underwear, with fuller boobs. She was 22, used to work at SM Mall and apparently today was her very first day. It's funny how often you hear that. The second dance shift had a generally younger collection of girls in black underwear, including a few cuties.
I met Kittykat in Dollhouse at 8 pm, bagging prime seats right in front of the circular stage. I've barfined some lovely girls from here over the years and signs looked promising that I might be able to add to that number tonight as there were a few cute ones amongst the 15 girls on stage. For the next dance shift the stage was crowded with over 30 girls, like the good old days. A year ago this bar was a shadow of its former glories but now seems to be resurgent.
There were a few candidates for a lady-drink, including a dark-skinned girl with curly hair, a tall, shy girl hiding at the back and a girl with an exquisite face wearing a Playboy top, but then another girl walked up on stage. She was very small with big natural boobs. She wasn't conventionally beautiful but my god she was cute. I asked the mamasan next to me to call her to my side immediately. She was a really bubbly little thing with a manic laugh so I couldn't resist paying her 5000 barfine.
As she was getting changed five young studs, from UK walked in to a chorus of screams and the place became alive. There was a sexy pole dance routine and a lot of the sexier moves were aimed in their direction. I said goodbye to Kittykat who was sandwiched between a waitress and a pretty girl, clinking glasses, living the dream.
Earlier my girl had asked me what my favourite drink was and told me hers was Red Horse, one of the stronger local brews. When she found out I'd never had one we agreed to go to a bar and have one each. I was hungry too, so we went to Cafe la Meilleure, right next to the Walking Street sign, and grabbed some food as well as a red stallion each. It's a good place to sit to watch the comings and goings on Fields Avenue. There seem less freelancers than 12 months ago.
There was a comical moment. She told me she has three children, which surprised me as her body looked so pristine. Suddenly I had visions of her taking her bra off and her big tits sagging like potato sacks.
'How old are they?' I asked.
'The oldest is one, the middle is nearly one and the youngest is six months'.
I'm not a medical professional but something didn't sound right here.
'They're very naughty' she continued, we have to lock them in a cage'.
A cage! Just as I was pondering whether Philippines has a Child Welfare Department, she took her phone out and showed me photos of her 'children', which it transpires are three cats! She went on to tell me she doesn't have any actual, real-life homosapian kids.
We went back to Dollhouse to play pool. I'm not an expert by any means but sometimes I think gogo girls could brush up on their tactical acumen. See ball, smash ball. It took a monumental amount of skill on my behalf to throw two frames and give her victory.
I have her a piggy-back out of the bar to the amusement of the other girls and two minutes later we were taking a lift up to my room at Penthouse. She was tiny. She told me she was just 4 foot 6.
Earlier in the bar I told her I was disappointed that I didn't get chance to see her slow-dancing around the pole, so she gave me a dance in my room instead. She undressed, revealing a tiny figure, slim waist and disproportionately large boobs and gave me a slow dance at the foot of the bed. Philippines I love you.
The sex was some of the best I've ever had. I fucked her in position after position. She's the 22nd girl I've fucked on this trip but the first to do bareback and it felt magical sliding in to velvety pussy. It was a joyous sight to behold her riding me, as I squeezed her prize assets She was so small I sat upright and then lifted her off the bed, fucking her standing up which she really got in to, kissing me passionately.
What a girl. What a fuck.
Tomorrow I'm going on an afternoon bar crawl with Kittycat to some Perimeter bars. I'm excited to see a different side to Angeles.
I checked out of my hotel in Manila and asked at reception if they could book a taxi for me to Angeles. They told me it would cost 5000 but when I told them the same trip cost 3000 last year they told me the new price includes a 300 toll each way on the NLEX highway. We agreed on 4000 but I suspect I overpaid. In hindsight I regret not taking a taxi to Araneta Central Bus Terminal and one of the hourly Philippine Rabbit buses (180-440 pesos).There is a Rabbit Bus Terminal in Avenida on Rizal just north of Recto which is close to Malate. I take the 11 am AC bus which doesn't stop at Dau coming into AC, instead going downtown on MacArthur. The driver will drop passengers at McDo on Fields if you ask the conductor to do so.
KapnAmerica
03-21-24, 15:25
There's no misunderstanding here.
Korean bars aren't reserving the best girls for Korean customers because western customers are difficult to scam, they're doing it because they absolutely detest the idea of sharing girls with us barbarian westerners. This is direct info from the mouths of Korean hookers in Korea (look up my forum posts on mamasans in Korea having to hide me whenever a local customer was around). Read up on the Korean section of ISG and see the experiences of hobbyists there.
Don't believe me? Try spending a weekend in Korea and explore their mongering scene, see for yourself. The running joke among foreigners in Korea is it's one of the few places in the world where you can't score in a brothel. You walk in with a hard dick and cash in hand and get told a big fat no. So true. This was my recent experience on Capital Alley in Seoul. I was so glad to leave Korea and move on to Thailand.
FuriousGeorge
03-21-24, 23:33
With the other 21, was the condom your idea or theirs? I never even opened one on my last trip to AC.
The sex was some of the best I've ever had. I fucked her in position after position. She's the 22nd girl I've fucked on this trip but the first to do bareback and it felt magical sliding in to velvety pussy. It was a joyous sight to behold her riding me, as I squeezed her prize assets She was so small I sat upright and then lifted her off the bed, fucking her standing up which she really got in to, kissing me passionately.
What a girl. What a fuck.
Tomorrow I'm going on an afternoon bar crawl with Kittycat to some Perimeter bars. I'm excited to see a different side to Angeles.
With the other 21, was the condom your idea or theirs? I never even opened one on my last trip to AC.What is a condom?
Wait a minute. I used one a few years ago on a girl on the 3rd day of her menstruation. Bloody right I did!
Sir Lancelot
03-22-24, 04:38
With the other 21, was the condom your idea or theirs? I never even opened one on my last trip to AC.I was in Pattaya for the first nine days, used a condom with every girl there. Same for Manila. Angeles is the only place I do bareback but the first girl requested I use a condom and I've noticed Tinder meets usually request protection too.
Sir Lancelot
03-22-24, 05:50
I had breakfast at Kokomoz. A pretty decent full English breakfast (minus sausage) costs 390 pesos, although a cup of tea costs extra. I've felt dehydrated over recent days so I also ordered a large jar of mango juice (150 pesos) which I slowly drank while writing my diary.
I always get a seat at the front, overlooking the street, which is great for people-watching but on the downside means you get pestered by hawkers trying to sell viagra, T-shirts and phones ('hey boss' In all my years visiting I don't think I've ever seen one make a sale until today. An American customer bought a blowpipe for 600 pesos and showed considerable interest in a stun-gun too. No girl will be leaving his room early!
I had a bar-crawl along Perimeter Road planned for this afternoon with Kittykat. I met him at his hotel, Scorebirds. His room is decent but the big selling point of this hotel is its large pool. Every month it hosts pool party and this month's happens to be on Sunday. He has booked a prime table and asked me to join him, which I'm looking forward to.
We took a Grab taxi up along Don Juico Avenue, also knows as Perimeter Road, to our first bar of the afternoon, Night Moves. It was 3 pm when we entered and there were two older girls shuffling on stage. The place was busy with expats and there were a few other girls with customers, including a reasonably nice one sat nearby.
Next door is Thunderbirds. There were four average girls on stage but they were a lot of fun. One of them took her phone out to take a selfie of the four of them, so I offered to take the pic. I couldn't resist afterwards jumping on stage and taking a selfie of the five of us, much to their amusement. I enjoy bars like this where you can have a bit of banter with the girls. I felt they deserved a tip but wanted to make them work for it, so I placed four 50 peso notes on the counter in front of the stage which I only allowed them to have when they'd successfully replicated my trademark towel dance.
We walked in to Candy Bar at 3. 50 pm. There were four girls dancing and a definite step up in quality. There was a short girl with a nice curvy figure wearing a blue sparkly dress and a tall, skinny girl in denim shorts. Again the place was busy with expats and there's a table reserved in the corner for some local biker group.
Very close is Black Satin. As soon as I walked in I knew this was my kind of bar. Ten girls were on stage but there were probably 20 more dotted around the bar, including a few young pretty ones. When the second dance shift took to the stage I immediately saw a girl I liked. She looked very fresh-faced and wore braces on her teeth. I invited her to sit with me for a drink and she told me she was 19. She was a pretty little thing so I was interested in paying the barfine.
As it was a Perimeter Road bar I expected a reduced price but the barfine is 4500 short-time or 5500 long-time! I was shocked that the long-time price is higher than the big bars on Fields Avenue. My plan this afternoon was to grab a girl from Perimeter Road for an afternoon quickie, then head out on to Fields Avenue later. I really liked this girl but 4500 is too much. Kittykat had bought a drink for a pretty blonde but negotiations stalled when she revealed she didn't do bareback. We paid our chits and left.
'Okay I want to take you to one more bar' Kittykat said when we stepped outside in to the heat, 'If only for shits and giggles'.
CNBC is a very intimate venue in more ways than one. It's very small inside and immediately I was pounced upon by two average girls who both started rubbing my cock. The deal here is that you can take girls to the back room to give you a blowjob or even full sex, in full view of other customers. It's basically a blowjob bar. The prettier of the two girls caressing my dick said the price was 2200 pesos per girl for a two girl blowjob but she immediately came down to a 'special price' of 1800 per girl. I must admit, I was tempted, not least because I had a raging hard-on in my pants, but I resisted. There were eight girls in the bar, mainly cougars and chubbier younger girls. Not my cup of tea but I'm sure others could have a lot of fun in a place like this.
Overall I enjoyed my foray on to Perimeter Road. I visited five bars, all pretty much next door to each other and they were nice chilled places to have a beer. There are others in the same block too, with names like Garfield, Grey Fox and Showtime. Black Satin was the standout for quality of girls, Candy Bar probably second best and CNBC a good option if you need to release some pent-up sexual frustration.
We took a Grab back to Fields and my intention had been to go back to my hotel and relax for a bit, but the time was already 6 pm so I decided there was no point.
Kittykat was keen to see if his favourite girl was in Lollipop but she wasn't there. The stunning curly haired girl I saw on my previous visit was on stage, looking better than ever. When I pointed her out to Kittykat he informed me that she was a cherry girl. He knew this because he'd barfined her sister, a blond who was also on stage. Quick as a flash Kittykat called both girls down from the stage and the blond sat next to him, the cherry girl next to me. She was an absolute stunner, with a beautiful smile, braces on her teeth and giggly personality.
'You know I'm cherry girl, right?' she asked after five minutes of conversation.
These girls can be barfined but won't have sex unless a premium is paid. The going rate for deflowering a virgin on Fields Avenue? 50,000 to 200,000 pesos!
I really enjoyed chatting with this girl but of course a barfine was out of the question. We did get chatting about food though and she proudly declared she's a good cook, before adding she'll cook for me some time.
Kittykat wanted to go to Dollhouse to try to barfine the girl I took last night, based on my glowing reports. I wished him good luck and went for a quick burger at McDonald's. As I was chomping away, I decided my gameplan tonight was simple. Visit a couple of bars and try to barfine my favourite girl from Viking.
It ended up being even simpler than that, I barfined a girl at the next bar I went to.
Maybe 15 years ago Atlantis was the top dog on Fields Avenue, with the stage crowded with 50 girls and plenty of honeys to be seen. Since then it's been in decline and was a shadow of its former self when I visited a year ago. Nevertheless, I wanted to visit for old time sake as I've bagged a few beauties from here in the past. It was 7. 25 pm when I walked in and I was met with the encouraging sight of 25 girls on stage and another 20 watching from the balcony above. There were a lot of average lookers but a few beauties too. My favourite had a Chinese look about her, which is ironic as ten years ago I barfined one of my favourite girls from here, a big-boobed cutie I nicknamed China Doll.
I bought her a ladydrink and she was enjoyable to talk to. She told me that she was 23 and her father was indeed Chinese, which explains her exotic looks. She told me I was her first ever English customer and was surprised I picked her as usually we go for darker skinned girls. Truth is, I've fucked a lot of classical dark-skinned Thai and Filipino girls on this trip so far and fancied something a bit different.
The barfine was 5000 and it was 8. 15 pm when we stepped outside, hand in hand. Earlier she told me that she'd never played pool so we had a game of doubles against another couple at Rob's Gastropub on A Santos Street. I think it's fair to say she was a beginner. She horribly miscued her first three shots but after a bit of coaching managed to successfully hit a few balls. Somehow we managed to get down to a black ball decider and it was her turn. I think it's fair to say the odds of her pulling off the long black in to the corner were negligible but somehow she made a decent contact with the cue ball, hit the 8 ball and I'm sure time stopped as it rolled towards the corner, hesitated over the pocket, before falling in. High five!
A covers band started playing at 10, who did requests. I asked her what her favourite song was and expected her to say some poppy Tagalog song but she surprised me by saying 'Wonderful Tonight' by Eric Clapton. The band played her request and she looked so happy I felt a surge of emotion myself. We did a little slow dance salsa number.
One of the great things about bar-fining early is you can have a lot of fun with girl before you even consider going back to your room.
The sex was great. She was really shy and her pussy was incredibly tight but eventually I slid in and we had very slow gentle sex with lots of kissing. I lay on my back and invited her to ride me. 'Noooo, painful' she said but then gave it a go, lowering herself on with a grimace. I pulled her to lie on top of me and gently eased in and out of her. She mmmmd and then began getting in to the slow rhythm, grinding her hips on mine. 'I'm going to cum' she announced after a while, rocking her hips more urgently until her body tightened and she groaned lots of frantic squeaky groans. We fucked in lots more positions before I asked her what she'd like to do. In contrast to earlier she declared 'me on top!' with a smile, a new cowboy convert.
The only negative was she asked to leave after we'd finished, telling me she couldn't sleep in hotel beds. I've bar-fined three girls from the bars so far in Angeles and haven't had a proper long-time yet. The Genesis girl stayed for four hours (to be fair, she informed me she couldn't stay long-time in the bar), the Dollhouse girl left at 5 am and this girl left after five hours.
All three meets definitely weren't long-time in my book but in fairness, neither were they short-time. Perhaps medium-time is the new norm?
Houston Player
03-22-24, 08:01
I was in Pattaya for the first nine days, used a condom with every girl there. Same for Manila. Angeles is the only place I do bareback but the first girl requested I use a condom and I've noticed Tinder meets usually request protection too.If I may ask. What is your logic or rationale for using condoms in Pattaya and Manila but going bareback in Angeles? I think a case could be made for doing just the opposite, LOL.
Sir Lancelot
03-22-24, 09:20
If I may ask. What is your logic or rationale for using condoms in Pattaya and Manila but going bareback in Angeles? I think a case could be made for doing just the opposite, LOL.No logic at all really. Just the way I feel most comfortable.
There is a Rabbit Bus Terminal in Avenida on Rizal just north of Recto which is close to Malate. I take the 11 am AC bus which doesn't stop at Dau coming into AC, instead going downtown on MacArthur. The driver will drop passengers at McDo on Fields if you ask the conductor to do so.Thanks Doc,
This is really handy to know. All the 'official' websites for bus and transport companies in The Philippines have always been frustrating or out of date. If you ask them, a local, or even your girl what time a bus leaves, you'll get three different answers. Over time I've just learnt to find out exactly where to get on your bus and the rest will take care of itself.
TwentyTwoTwos
03-22-24, 16:53
I was in Pattaya for the first nine days, used a condom with every girl there. Same for Manila. Angeles is the only place I do bareback but the first girl requested I use a condom and I've noticed Tinder meets usually request protection too.This is pretty refreshing to me. I got the impression that everyone here had BBFS all the time, living on the edge LOL.
Expat American
03-22-24, 18:43
I was in Pattaya for the first nine days, used a condom with every girl there. Same for Manila. Angeles is the only place I do bareback but the first girl requested I use a condom and I've noticed Tinder meets usually request protection too.Wow, AC girls requesting condoms now? Unspoken expected BBFS was probably the last reason to even consider going there. Also 5000 P short time in a Perimeter bar? No long time bar fines available? I'm glad Sir Lancelot is having a good time but I read this stuff and just shake my head. Pattaya condoms are hit or miss but I've been about 75% successful with BBFS there. But its by no means a sure bet like AC always was. It seems to be going from bad to worse.
Sir Lancelot
03-23-24, 06:37
I got chatting with an interesting guy at breakfast, who bought a motorbike in Davao after his relationship broke down with a Filipina and has since rode through Philippines, exploring the country. He's now in Angeles for a month.
I fancied an afternoon meet but Tinder was unusually sleepy. Then I had an idea. The Tinder profile who did the bait and switch on me was using a cute slim girl with her hair in bunches as their profile pic. I messaged them and said I was interested in meeting the girl from the pic but if any other knocked on my door I would send them away.
'Yes she is avaliable' said the mamasan, before quoting 4000 pesos ('she is 22, young and pretty' I pointed out that's what I paid for two girls and she accepted 2000.
At just before 4 pm there was a knock on my door and I opened with trepidation. Thankfully it was the girl in the picture, perhaps a couple of years older, but still with the same cuteness and sparkle in her eye.
I had a very pleasurable hour in her company. She insisted we shower together, then deepthroated me skilfully on the bed. She got about two-thirds in before gagging, before crawling across me to change the angle and took my whole dick in her mouth. I could feel the back of her throat. The sex was pretty frantic stuff. I fucked her stood up at the end of the bed, slapping in to her arse as hard I could.
My hotel, The Penthouse, has a very nice rooftop pool and restaurant area. I ordered some pork adobo and swam for 25 minutes before it got served. Apart from Walking between bars, lifting bottles of beer to my mouth and fucking girls, it's the only exercise I've had on this trip.
I met Kittykat at Kokomoz at 7 pm. I'm burning through money and needed to withdraw some more at an ATM. I like to think I'm a fairly observant person but in umpteen trips to Angeles I didn't notice Kokomoz has an ATM! I withdrew 10,000 which will last me another day.
We started our bar-crawl on Real Street, which used to be buzzing, largely thanks to bars like Crystal Palace and Tropix, but was virtually lifeless a year ago as Angeles looked to bounce back after covid. Thankfully the street is showing signs of life again.
Meiko's has a square stage in the middle of the bar, on which 12 nice girls were dancing in black fishnets. There were plenty of customers, the music was good and the girls were smiling and having a good time, signs of a well managed bar. I saw a few girls I was tempted to invite down for a drink but the night was young.
In contrast Body Shop was sleepy, with ten average girls, the majority of whom stood with their arms folded. A silver-haired fox to my left was inviting curvier girls down from the stage and giving them 100 pesos each to suck their tits.
It was 8. 30 pm when we stepped inside Las Vegas, which proved to be one of my favourite bars so far. There is a big square stage in the middle of the bar, on which 25 girls were dancing. Every 10 minutes they all parade around the bar a few times, ensuring customers get a great view of all of the girls. There were some honeys for sure. I spotted two I wanted to buy a drink for, a distinctive looking girl with shorter hair and a very pretty blond, but both got summoned to the side of stern-faced Koreans before I had chance to act.
Virtually all customers here are Korean which means the tedious spectacle of 20 baht rain showers. A chubby guy who looked like Kim Jong Un did four of them before I got halfway down my bottle of beer! Of course that has an impact on all of the other customers too because if for example I was to call a girl down to sit with me, she'd probably resent me for depriving her of the chance to stuff a fistful of 20's in her bra!
The DJ in here does a great job of whipping up the atmosphere but his mic is far too loud, making conversation very difficult, even to someone sat next to you. Kittykat bought a drink for a dark-skinned spinner as I watched an impressive street dance act on stage in Chicago Bulls tops.
I have a theory about loud music. I think in popular Korean bars, they crank up the volume high to disguise the language barrier. The girls just have to sit there and look pretty instead of engaging in conversation.
We walked back on to Fields Avenue and stepped in to Avalon at 9. 20 pm. There was a black tape show on and I acted quickly when I saw a very pretty girl with a slender figure and curly hair. She was only 19 and although she spoke limited English was great fun with a manic laugh. She was very affectionate too, holding my hand, cuddling up to me and even lap-dancing for me. I couldn't resist. The barfine was 5000.
The bar had plenty of other nice girls and was packed with barely a free seat in sight. They had a really impressive show with successive groups of dancers performing dance routines in sexy outfits. XS has the reputation for the best shows in town but I think Avalon's is far superior. The dance girls are prettier and the dances far sexier.
I love it when you barfine a girl and they go off to get changed. Yesterday the girl from Atlantis got changed in to a elegant summer dress, tonight in contrast my Avalon girl came back wearing a Nike crop-top, tracksuit bottoms and trainers, like she was about to go to the gym. She looked sexy although I was disappointed she'd taken her black tape off!
It was still early so I asked her if she'd like to pick another bar. She chose Monsoon, a very intimate bar in which customers sit on a single row of seats surrounding a narrow stage, meaning you're very close to the girls. There were 20 on stage, all young.
'Can you buy drink for her?' my black tape girl asked, pointing at a tall, slender girl on stage.
I assumed the two of them must have been friends but no, my girl just fancied a chat with a sexy girl! I was sandwiched between the two of them, having a great time, so didn't mind at all. It was fun hearing their animated discussions in Tagalog about their respective bars, mamasans and commissions. The tall girl from Monsoon told me she worked briefly as a black tape girl at Avalon but hardly ever got barfined, so returned to Monsoon where she has regular customers.
My Avalon girl and I walked the short distance back to my hotel and it was clear she had never seen a nice hotel room before. She said wow when she walked in, took a selfie of herself on front of the free-standing bath and then, amusingly, ran to the bed and somersaulted on to it. She was as mad as a box of frogs and I liked her all the more for it.
He excitement soon turned to nervousness, which she eventually explained to me was because I was her first ever customer. I didn't rush her and watched as she played games on her phone and scrolled through videos on social media. I drifted off to sleep and she woke me at 5 am. She was undoubtedly the most timid and shy girl I've ever fucked. She didn't know what to do and found certain (well, most) positions painful. When I was on top I took her arms and in one movement lay back to pull her up on top. She wiggled her hips for five seconds before deciding it was too painful! We tried other positions and she soon got in to her work. I couldn't resist getting her to sit on my face to finish. At first she was unsure but by the end was grinding her pussy on to me as she gripped the headboard.
She was back to her excited bubbly self afterwards. 'I'm sorry if I disappoint you' she said 'my first barfine I nervous'. I hugged her and told her don't be silly, she'd been perfect. How can you be disappointed fucking a 19 year old sweetheart like her bareback?
There's a never-ending debate on this page about the availability of pretty girls in Angeles, usually provoked by Napa's campaign to discourage people from visiting, but it's utter nonsense. I've been here for four days and have barfined some spectacular girls so far.
WestCoast1
03-23-24, 16:31
Wow, AC girls requesting condoms now? Unspoken expected BBFS was probably the last reason to even consider going there. Also 5000 P short time in a Perimeter bar? No long time bar fines available? I'm glad Sir Lancelot is having a good time but I read this stuff and just shake my head. Pattaya condoms are hit or miss but I've been about 75% successful with BBFS there. But its by no means a sure bet like AC always was. It seems to be going from bad to worse.Not really. We have been saying it since the re-opening back in late 2022. Lots of things changed with covid. Gogo bar prices are 4-5 k, more LD-only ladies (who are not necessarily honest about that until you've purchased her several drinks and you mention barfining her), ST is the new LT in some bars, and some girls are condom-only (some girls are not honest about this until you have her in your residence, naked). This is no longer a change, given its been in place for more than a year now.
Expat American
03-23-24, 18:17
Not really. We have been saying it since the re-opening back in late 2022. Lots of things changed with covid. Gogo bar prices are 4-5 k, more LD-only ladies (who are not necessarily honest about that until you've purchased her several drinks and you mention barfining her), ST is the new LT in some bars, and some girls are condom-only (some girls are not honest about this until you have her in your residence, naked). This is no longer a change, given its been in place for more than a year now.Adapt, stay home or find a new playground. I choose option 3. I have been back a couple of times post covid but never had any girl ask for a condom. Prices were higher but Perimeter was still about 3500 for a day time LT (2 pm to 10 pm or so). Still had a decent time but since then found much better places to take my time and money. Sad, cause I loved that little shit hole for a lot of years and had some of my best mongering there between 2007 and 2012. Somethings are better left in my memories. And my hard drive.
Sir Lancelot
03-24-24, 06:40
I had a lazy afternoon and met Kittykat in Margarita Station at 6. 30 pm. It's located a 15 minute walk away from its old location, which still stands derelict and boarded up. The new venue is a very big, spacious bar and restaurant with an extensive menu.
There was a large chap on the next table eating dinner with friends. Last time I'd seen him he had his trousers around his ankles at the the blowjob bar a few days ago.
Kittykat and I took a Grab cab back towards Walking Street after we had eaten but it was Saturday night and the traffic was chaos. Eventually we arrived at Insomnia, which had eight young girls dancing. My favourite was a tall skinny girl with braces on her teeth. After a while the stage cleared and the Insomnia Babes did a dance routine, entering the stage via a fireman's pole. About ten years ago I barfined a girl from this bar and she let me slide down the pole before we went back to our hotel.
I've noticed there is a biker gang presence at a lot of these Perimeter Bars. They must get sweaty under those leathers.
Underneath the Walking Street sign I saw a pretty freelancer I fucked last year. She recognised me and was all smiles. She must have forgotten that she turned up at my hotel unannounced the next day wanting a repeat and when I said no she told me to fuck off, so I blocked her.
QBar had eight girls dancing when we arrived, including a few well endowed ones who were topless except for black tape covering their nipples. Gradually the number of girls increased to about 20. I thought the standard was average although I did see a few who tempted me to invite them down for a lady-drink, including a very dark-skinned girl who probably had a black American marine father she's never met. The music was country and western which gave the girls little to dance to. The bar lacked atmosphere.
I have a question which has been bugging me. Why don't bars in Angeles have the two-tier barfines any more? I remember when I first visited the pretty girls would be 3000 pesos in all bars and the less pretty girls were 1700. Of course Filipino's standard of beauty is very different to ours so it often meant lovely girls could be found for 1700. Nowadays it's one-price-fits-all, meaning you have to pay say 5000 for every girl, ranging from the black tape supermodels to the older, average girls. As a result it's hard to believe the vast majority of these girls ever get barfined. Surely reintroducing the two-tier system will be good for customers and also the girls too?
The gorgeous girl I barfined from Genesis has been asking me via Messenger when I will return, so I decided to pop in and buy her a drink. The stage was crowded with 30 girls and I saw her stood in the middle, looking sublime. I waved to her but she didn't notice, so the girl next to her nudged her and pointed to me. Her face lit up and she raced off stage to sit next to me. This girl is dynamite. She's a beautiful girl, speaks great English and it turns out is very picky.
She pointed to a blond white man with tattoos and explained that he's the owner of three big hotels and tried to barfine her tonight but she refused because he was too drunk. It was the fourth time he's tried to barfine her and each time she has refused for the same reason. She told me about an elderly Korean man who had tried to barfine her but she said no because he treated her with little respect. As if to emphasis her point, he spread 10,000 pesos on the table in an attempt to impress her but she refused a second time. He then threatened to call the mamasan over, assuming an older member of staff could iron things out. 'Go ahead' my girl said, 'I don't like you so I will never go with you'. This girl has attitude! She knows her worth and won't take bullshit from customers. She's a sweetheart too. She pointed out a cheerful elderly Japanese man who was handing out 20 baht notes to lots of girls. When he gave her some notes she passed them to one of the older waitresses to have instead. She told me she makes a lot of money from customers, so shares tips with less popular girls.
Although she seems very selective, she loves me. Three middle-aged Koreans sat down just in front of us and kept rubber-necking, staring straight at her. Without returning their glances she whispered to me 'some Korean men so arrogant, they think I will leave you and sit with them' before holding my hand. I love this girl more and more!
Oddly, when my girl skipped off to pick up her weekly salary, all three of the Koreans now stared at me. At first I thought they might be checking out how much beer I had left in my bottle, but they kept staring. It wasn't a friendly stare, it was a 'how dare you stand in my way' stare. When my girl returned I gave her the biggest exaggerated hug I could just to piss them off, then I barfined her right in front of their faces. Normally I like to barfine different girls but this girl is special.
She got changed and reappeared wearing an white oversized Nike top that barely covered the schoolgirl skirt she was wearing. I enjoyed leading her out of the bar hand-in-hand and she told me that the three Korean men had indeed sneakily requested (via a waitress) she go sit with them despite the fact she had a ladydrink with me. It is an example of the arrogant, underhand way some of these guys conduct their business but thankfully my girl ignored their approach. Unlucky chaps.
We went for a quick game of pool before returning to my hotel, where she told me she has worked as a model. I got a great video of her doing her catwalk strut with one of my books balanced on her head.
The sex was even better second time around, with lots of positions and lots of kissing. She looked phenomenal when she was riding me and not for the first time I had to pinch myself at how lucky I am to be in Angeles, a candy store of pretty girls.
WestCoast1
03-24-24, 10:27
I have a question which has been bugging me. Why don't bars in Angeles have the two-tier barfines any more? I remember when I first visited the pretty girls would be 3000 pesos in all bars and the less pretty girls were 1700. Of course Filipino's standard of beauty is very different to ours so it often meant lovely girls could be found for 1700. Nowadays it's one-price-fits-all, meaning you have to pay say 5000 for every girl, ranging from the black tape supermodels to the older, average girls. As a result it's hard to believe the vast majority of these girls ever get barfined. Surely reintroducing the two-tier system will be good for customers and also the girls too?Some of the bars do have multi-tiered barfines. Lollipop had black bikinis at 5000, and other colors are 4000; has that changed? The mama in XS told me they had 3 k, 4 k, 5 k, and 6 k girls for the different groups (black tape, models, and so on). The system was so confusing (and I wasn't drunk) that even the mama told me not to bother asking a girl (or waitress) how much her barfine amount was. "Just you ask for a mama. We will look it in our books and inform you". I think Casino bar had either 3500/4500, or else 4000/5000 girls (lower price was ST, higher price was LT).
Sir Lancelot
03-24-24, 12:10
Some of the bars do have multi-tiered barfines. Lollipop had black bikinis at 5000, and other colors are 4000; has that changed? The mama in XS told me they had 3 k, 4 k, 5 k, and 6 k girls for the different groups (black tape, models, and so on). The system was so confusing (and I wasn't drunk) that even the mama told me not to bother asking a girl (or waitress) how much her barfine amount was. "Just you ask for a mama. We will look it in our books and inform you". I think Casino bar had either 3500/4500, or else 4000/5000 girls (lower price was ST, higher price was LT).I went to both those bars but didn't barfine from either, so I'm sure you're right. I remember all bars used to have the same system with a white or green badge depending on 1700 or 3000. Made life so much easier for the customer.
...Nowadays it's one-price-fits-all, meaning you have to pay say 5000 for every girl, ranging from the black tape supermodels to the older, average girls. As a result it's hard to believe the vast majority of these girls ever get barfined....
...The system was so confusing (and I wasn't drunk) that even the mama told me not to bother asking a girl (or waitress) how much her barfine amount was. "Just you ask for a mama...Lance,
This can be beneficial to the guys as well. Girls who have not met quota are typically fined with docked pay, loss of dance fees, bonuses etc etc. Yet their board, keep, makeup etc etc etc fees are still charged regardless. In Sabang, it wasn't unusual in low season to find affected girls, desperate for a barfine, offering extra services, longer stays, even commission free to make quota.
Unkind mongers would point out that these were often the girls too ugly to secure customers anyway. However, it was often also the cuties who were simply too reserved or shy to be busy.
AC local guys can confirm if this is something to watch for on Walking Street. I'm sure the girls have quotas but I don't know of the ramifications.
Westie, the conspiracy theorist in me says that it's highly unlikely that a girl does not know her own barfine. Maybe the brand new girl but not someone who has been working any length of time. Sounds like mama just wants to keep a close tabs on her girls and who they are going with. No sneakouts allowed. 😁.
Enjoy. G.
Sir Lancelot
03-25-24, 06:25
For my last day in Angeles I decided to spend the afternoon at Scorebirds Pool Party, which happens the third Sunday of every month. It runs from 2 pm-6 pm and costs 500 to enter, which includes a free buffet.
Kittykat had secured a prime table at the side of the pool so I ordered a drink and enjoyed the show. There were 11 girls participating, mainly from Dollhouse, Atlantis and Lollipop, including a few really pretty ones. Each girl does a catwalk show and customers can throw beads to them. Then the MC will bring each girl to the front of the stage and ask whether anyone would like to buy them a ladydrink. I bought a drink for number 3, a skinny girl with blond highlights in her hair from Atlantis but conversation wasn't flowing. Kittykat bought a drink for number 6, an older girl with arguably the best body on show. The eventual winner of the contest, number 4, was sat nearby. She kept smiling over to me so I offered a drink but she shook her head as she already had one.
A dance act performed an energetic routine with lots of twerking, three older women provided the music and then the girls came back out for another parade, to collect more beads. It was a pleasant way to spend the afternoon although they dragged it out far too long. By the time the winner was announced most people had left.
Later in the afternoon I went to SM Mall to do a few chores. Firstly I got the timetable for the buses that depart from outside SM Mall and go directly to Nino Aquino Airport in Manila. They depart every hour and the cost is 380 pesos. I also bought a new contract lens holder as room service had accidentally thrown mine out with the rubbish.
I met Kittykat at 7 pm at 69 Rock Bar, located at the top of a seven storey building on Narciso Avenue. A band were playing rock covers and they were serving a very tasty looking Irish stew for St Patrick's Day. For the first time on this trip it began raining. It wasn't just rain, it lashed it down for an hour, which meant it was 8. 30 pm when I stepped on to Fields Avenue. I said farewell to Kittykat who is heading back to the States tomorrow. I'd enjoyed his company during my time in Angeles.
With a long travel day myself tomorrow back to Pattaya, my goal was to barfine a girl as soon as possible. Naturally it didn't go to plan.
I started in Viking where there were 40 girls crowded on the stage including some really nice ones. This is undoubtedly one of my favourite bars in Angeles. I scanned around for Margi, who I bought a drink for several days ago, but she was with another customer. She was looking as radiant as ever. The customer bought her three drinks in the time it took me to drain one beer so his intentions were clear.
Viking has lots of other nice girls and I considered refocusing my attention, but I decided to leave as it would give me the option of returning later on the slim chance Margi was still there, and if not I could pick another girl.
Baccara is an intimate venue and there were 18 girls on stage, generally a bit older. It was noticeable how the bar lacked atmosphere. The girls were rooted to the spot, there was no dancing and some of them looked bored with their arms folded. I remember when this bar was called Cambodia and it had a reputation of being one of the party bars. Not any more.
This part of the street used to have several bars with the same Egyptian theme. I think one of the popular bars was called Blue Nile, which had a stage that rose up and down. I barfined a dancer from here that gave me some of the best sex I've ever had. There was another bar in which you had to take a lift up to the 3rd or 4th floor which had a double decker stage and let's not forget Club Asia which was usually stocked with cuties. Although I think Angeles has bounced back impressively after the pandemic, I think the bottom end of the street, towards McDonald's, is still sleepy.
I went to Avalon to see if the black tape girl I barfined was there but the mamasan said she 'wasn't working today', which probably meant she was currently being nailed by a guy twice her size. The dance act is superb in this bar, easier better than XS. Their routines are always really fun, creative and perfectly choreographed and there are some lovely girls too. One of them had dark skin and braces on her teeth, another had fair hair and Western facial features. I asked the mamasan if these dancers can be barfined and she told me yes. I considered asking one of my two favourites over for a drink but the problem is they look like they enjoy dancing too much to barfine!
I trawled up and down the street looking for my next bar. Suddenly it occurred to me that procuring the services of a freelancer would be perfect tonight, as it would mean I could fuck her and send her on her way to give me chance to pack. But there are definitely slimmer pickings when it comes to streetwalkers these days.
Club 123 had 15 girls standing on the long thin stage and there were definitely a few cuties. The distinctive one I liked on my previous visit was there but when I looked at her she did that thing the girls sometimes do and pointed to her friend. To me that shows lack of interest. Another pretty girl was smiling at me whenever I looked in her direction, so I invited her to sit with me for a drink. She was a nice girl to talk to.
Then a familiar figure walked in. It was the customer who had been plying Margi with ladydrinks at Viking! She wasn't with him but I couldn't imagine he'd have bought her so many drinks without wanting to barfine her. I assumed she must have had a reason she couldn't go with him, perhaps it was her time of month.
It gave me a dilemma. I could try to barfine the girl I was sat next to, or I could return to Viking and try to see Margi. But I decided a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush and barfined the Club 123 girl. It cost 4500 and after she got changed we walked the short distance back to my hotel.
The sex however was a disappointment. I like to finger the girl to get her ready but this girl refused. She literally grabbed my hand and pulled it away. I tried to give her oral but she didn't like it. We eventually tried to have sex but she was extraordinarily tight and with no natural lubrication, it was difficult. I got about halfway in but when I tried to push in all the way she'd do defensive manoeuvres like closing her legs. It was clear she was very inexperienced and was finding the whole ordeal painful. So after a couple of minutes I rolled off, took my condom off and let her blow me instead.
A disappointing fuck to end my time in Angeles but it's been another great week and I've met some really pretty girls.
This diary concludes on the Pattaya thread.
WestCoast1
03-25-24, 06:33
Westie, the conspiracy theorist in me says that it's highly unlikely that a girl does not know her own barfine. Maybe the brand new girl but not someone who has been working any length of time. Sounds like mama just wants to keep a close tabs on her girls and who they are going with. No sneakouts allowed. 😁.
Enjoy. G.I believe its exactly that, and more maybe. Few nights later I sat down and a taped girl was passing by. I invited her skinniness to sink a drink with me. I wanted to cut thru the previous mama's story and I told her what the mama had said to me about the multiple barfine prices, which the girl confirmed. "But not like that". Well then, how is it? "For each girl its different". I pointed to a model girl (long evening gown) and asked how much her barfine amount was. "You ask a mama". Any mama? "Yes". But you don't know the amount? "You ask a mama". How much is your barfine amount? "You ask a mama". Oh come on, certainly you know *your own* barfine amount, yes? "You ask a mama. I can call the mama". Jeez. Obfuscation and disingenuous. She did that from training (at the time, last year, might be different now).
I don't mind the different barfine amounts for different girls. But you will want to be able to learn her barfine price BEFORE you consider asking her to sit for a drink. Being coy with the information might be counter-productive to actually barfining. OTOH, it might be indicative of something entirely different: That bar might not need any barfines in order to succeed. High concentration of rich gents (K's or other), and girls pre-barfined (by the rich) before bar opening, or rich fellas who call the bar up and order up a half dozen or dozen of their prettiest (and send vans for them), might mean they literally don't need any of your / my cash this evening. Recall my previous report of K's throwing so many notes from the balcony during several dance shows, that they had to stop performance between sets to have several male staff literally use brooms / dustpans and cardboard boxes to scoop up all the money (probably split as tips between staff, management, and owner). Every peso spent on drinks for yourself or a girl is just gravy money for them.
No conspiracy there.
I don't mind the different barfine amounts for different girls..It would not surprise me at all to find different barfines for different guys as well.
Perhaps mama has more experience in identifying the more desperate, the more cashed up, the more in love etc.
John's been buying a girl drinks all night and chatting away happily?? Suddenly your 3500 last night becomes 5000 for him.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
03-25-24, 10:44
It would not surprise me at all to find different barfines for different guys as well.
Perhaps mama has more experience in identifying the more desperate, the more cashed up, the more in love etc.
John's been buying a girl drinks all night and chatting away happily?? Suddenly your 3500 last night becomes 5000 for him.
Enjoy. G.I would be completely shocked to discover that an opportunistic mama took advantage of some bloke. SHOCKED.
MrHappyKat
03-25-24, 20:04
Just returned from a one-month trip to the Philippines between February 20 and March 19,2024. Reports are posted in the 3 areas visited: Makati, Angles City and Manila. Please look for my handle under each city to view all reports.
See Report #1 in the Makati Board (link).
Report #2 - Angeles City.
Travel day yesterday brought me from Makati to Angeles City. Jetlag was kicking my butt so once I settled int my hotel room at Score Birds I decided to grab a bite then a drink at the bar before heading to bed alone to sleep it off. Today, I had Sugar Date #2 scheduled for lunch time. I had some juice and coffee down by the pool bar and fought with the spotty WiFi to catch up on emails. The day before I had messaged my date asking to meet at 12:30 and she never confirmed. Troubling. Around 10:30 am I messaged her again and asked for confirmation. No reply.
I started looking at the dating apps with paid subscriptions; Seeking, PinayLove, and Filipino Cupid. All three have been producing multiple POT's every day. As it looked like my second Seeking date was going to be a NCNS I wanted to line up a replacement. It took me about an hour to vette 3 POTs, I booked one at 4:00 pm today, and the others every other day for the next 4 days. Dianne is 23,5'0" and 100 lbs. She has some baby damage but has a cute face ad was DTF bb for a low, low 1,600 PHP (about $30 US). She arrived at 4:40 (Philippina time) and we headed up to my room for a no-frills quickie. She showered and delivered a reasonable performance ending with an internal finish.
We cleaned up and she was out the door and off to resume whatever adventures life has for her.
I will grab some dinner and then I'll do a club crawl along walking street. Doubt I will be ready to pull another girl today. Plus, I'm starting to think I should see if I can pull all my sessions off dating apps as a primary source, and use the bars when an app-based date doesn't work out, as I did in Makati.
Next report will pick up with tonight's club crawl adventure.
Report #3 - Angeles City.
Popped in to a few WS clubs like Q-Bar, Atlantis, Dollhouse, Genesis, and Gold Moon. By far the biggest disappointment was Gold Moon. At 11:00 pm on a Saturday zero customers, maybe 15 frumpy girls, all sitting down in seats scattered around including the stage, fixated on their phones. At every other club I entered, there were at least 2 or 3 girls I would consider physically doable. I had a date scheduled from PinaLove the next day at lunch. I actually met her last time I was in AC (Mar, 2023) and she apparently did not remember our meeting at ABC Hotel because why would she? She messaged me on PL and we quickly moved to WhatsApp, where she asked for 2,500 PHP - 500 less that she asked for last year. The next day, we connected in the hotel lobby and as we headed to the elevator, she finally recognized me, and promptly asked for more to match the 3,000 from our last date. I laughed it off, and thought that if she was as good as I remember I would gladly tip her that 500 anyway. What I should have done was immediately reject her and send her on her way. Minimal BJ time, and she wants to mount up. I was enjoying it and wanted to extend the fun. So I asked her to go down on me again. She made a face, and was reluctant as she made a big show of wiping down the equipment and telling me she was too tired. WTF? This killed my mood, of course, and I cold not find the motivation to continue. After a few more unenthusiastic attempts to rehabilitate me, I called her off and let her know we were done. I gave her the 2,500 she asked for earlier and sent her on her way.
Fortunately, I've learned over the years to always have a back up plan. One of the Bar Gilrs I met at Genesis really checked all my boxes. After buying her a drink and chatting / feeling her up I asked her if she would be working on Sunday or Monday. She was, both days. She told me she would do LT for 5,000 and was comfortable with all of my special requests. Then I did something I originally saw suggested on this board. To much criticism. I had printed some business cards with my first name and WhatsApp number. It was a $25 experiment (Amazon is your friend) and so I thought why not try it. I gave her the card as I paid my drink bill and asked her to connect with me, not know if she would do it, or just toss my card in the trash. About 6 hours later, I got her message.
The next morning, before the failed PL date, she asked me if I would be coming to see her at work. I told her it would depend on what my friend wanted to do, not mentioning that my "friend" was 20 yr. Old 4'11" 96 lb. Blond. After I kicked that blond out I messaged the Genesis girl asking if she was available to met. She was, but only for short time (for 2,500) before she went to work. I suggested I meet her an hour into her shift and take her LT and she agreed. Now even in my Sugar Dating hobby, I rarely have an overnight. But I figured I'd rather use the extended time to be with her outside the bedroom 1st by getting dinner and chatting. She had given me the vibe that she could engage in conversation, and we could connect a bit first. This turned out to be an accurate assessment. I took her to T-Backs for dinner. I had that place on my list to try, and I figured she may appreciate a location other than the usual Walking Street joints. We had a nice dinner and headed back to the hotel. After a mutual shower it was on. We had already taken some pics together at dinner. Now that she was naked and shower-fresh she wanted me to take more. Yay! We had an energetic session. She was my favorite type of partner, something I can only describe as "aggressively submissive. " With a very satisfying CIP ending we tidied up and went to sleep cuddled up and happy. In the morning, we showered, and I took her downstairs for breakfast. Tummies fed and coffee consumed I sent her off in a trike to the bus station where she made the 2 hour trip home to see her daughter. I slipped her a 500 PHO tip as she left, and she seemed very happy.
That afternoon, I decided to to do a short Perimeter Rd crawl starting at ACE, where they had a suprising number of younger, slimmer girls. Only 2 of the 15 girls there were chubby. The rest of the area bars would not open until 6 pm. So I headed back to WS and did some Kokomos rail hang time before checking out Angel Witch. Yes, yes. Angel Witch is one of the older bars on WS and it seems like the original bar girls are still working there. Not one under 40 years old or under 135 lbs. I headed back to my hotel to write this chapter of my reports. *.
*Side note: as I am typing the blond failure just messaged me asking if she could try again. "That's a negative, Ghost Rider. The pattern is full. ".
Tomorrow, I have one more Seeking date lined up for lunch. She confirmed this morning. We shall see.
Report #4 - Angeles City.
My 3rd planned date from Seeking went ok. Just ok. Sadly she had gained about 15 lbs. Since her profile pics were taken 3 years ago. Stil cute, just a bit thick for me. I had asked her to arrive at 12:30 for lunch. But. Philippina time happened. She arrived at nearly 2 pm, and declined lunch, telling me she was late because she had stayed home to eat with her siblings. I can be flexible on dates, of course, as long as the main event stays center stage. We headed up to my room and chilled on the bed chatting. It didn't take long for me to see she was very shy. And by "shy" I mean Introverted on steroids. I had her lay down next to me and as we talked I started gently caressing her. After slowly removing some of her clothes, we started kissing. Eventually, I got her panties off and decided to hep her relax at an accelerated rate by going down. Maybe 20 minutes later she had her 3rd or 4th O. Well she seemed pretty relaxed by then. She reciprocated and it was game on. After, she told me she had to go back home to care for her younger siblings and I handed over her allowance. Net / Net: At least my 3rd Seeking date showed up.
I had connected with another ISG member who was also at Score Birds and we decided to do an afternoon club crawl. He wanted to get a quickie on the books ASAP. So we strolled around WS until he found what he wanted.
I caught up with him later at the hotel and we decided to head back out. I wasn't seeing anyone that checked my boxes, but he did. On my way back to the hotel, my girl from Genesis pinged me and wanted to see me. Not really interested in a 5,000 bar fine, I suggested she come to my room after her shift ended at 2:00 am and she agreed. I took a nap and she arrived around 2:15 am. After a fantastic session ending with a BBFSCIP finish, she curled up under the covers and we cuddled as we fell asleep. In the morning, she got up early, as she needed to leave for Manila on some family business (ok, no idea if that was true.). She stared to leave and I had to stop her to take some allowance - 2500. As far as I can tell, she was not expecting that. Now before you start piling on me for walking into a noob trap, I can spot the long game just fine, thank you. She is a sweet girl who fucks like a wildcat. So I will ride that kitty any time it's convenient, and if I get it at a discount, or free, that's just fine with me. But I have no desire to bring stray bar girls home to the US.
I have a PL date arriving at 1:00 pm today, and I'm working up 4 other potential dates from Seeking and PL. And as I've seen over a week now in AC, there is PLENTY of talent available on WS and Perimeter. I also have yet to explore the dance club FL market. More on that next report. I think.
Report #5 - Angeles City.
Dance Clubs TLDR: Eureka, Hammer, Mega Dance. If you're old and fat, don't bother.
Eureka. Big club, 2 flights of stairs to get inside. Booths seating 12-15 cost 10 k consumable, smaller booths in the back half are 5 k. Maybe 2/3 of the booths occupied, by Korean groups. In the main floor area, small cocktail-style tables without chairs. Groups of 2 to 6 at each table made up of guys, or women, or mixed. Large raided stage at the far end with a pair of DJ's playing techno-crap at ear-crushing volume, while a dance squad of "pudgies" dance around. If not in a booth, drinks and food are pay-as-you-order. Maybe there are some freelancers, or call center girls going UTR freelancers, but you will need to be playing a baller with 2 to 3 buds in your booth to pull them with offers of free drinks. I finished my SML and bailed. Not for me. Hammer, Mega Dance, didn't go in but they look to be the same businees model, perhaps with lower prices?
My PinaLove date arrived as scheduled at 1:00 pm. Up to the room for a satisfying session ending with CIP - 2 k.
Spent the rest of the day club hopping: Doll House, XS, Club 123, and CosPlay. Nothing new to report.
Grabbed dinner at Papi's Bar and Chill (recommended). Then decided to scout the perimeter locations: Candy Bar, Showtyme, Black Satin, and CNBC. Short review: One or two cuties at each location (besides CNBC - 100% fuglies). But the girls at each club were zombies, doing the bar girl shuffle as if all their hope and dreams have been sucked out of them by Emperor Palpatine.
Report #6 - Angeles City.
Sisters! . well sort of.
I was ready to head back to Walking Street. I had met a dancer at Lollipop 2 days before and I was looking to bar fine her long time. She's closer to 30 than 20 but I was into her. Our chat 2 days before was fun and we seemed to click. I had some dinner and strolled down the street to Lollipop and entered ready to. Find out she wasn't working that night. I was there, so I grabbed a seat and spent some time scoping the remaining talent. Now IMO Lollipop is one of the top 3 clubs for sheer talent (including XS and Atlantis). After 10 minutes, I found one girl giving me the come-hither look. Being the consummate veteran monger that I am, I completely went for it. Angelyne is 4'10", maybe 97 lbs. , flat tummy and has just a slight bit of baby-damage on her boobs. We chatted and she was down for everything I wanted for 5,000 p LT. Off to my room and fun ensued. One BBFSCIP later we snuggled under the covers and slept until dawn.
I went back a day later, once again looking for the dancer from before, once again she was not working. But Angelyne was there. We grabbed a drink and few minutes later she introduced me to her sister who just started working at the club. Yes. Yes, please commence all of your sister-powered fantasies now. Go ahead. I'll wait. Got it? Well sorry, it did not happen. Her 20-year-old sister is cherry. And after meeting her and seeing how shy (read: nervous, uncomfortable, scared) she is, she won't be ready to consider taking a bar fine for a while.
I decided to head back to my room without Angeleyne for the night. But I did ping a previous PinaLove girl and had her meet me an hour later. BBFSCIP for 3,000 p and I was done for the day.
Tonight (Friday), I do another WS crawl and see if anyone strikes my fancy.
Report #7 - Angeles City.
Finding my dream girl. In a ship.
After being in Angeles almost 3 weeks, I've developed a sort of daily routine. Wake around 9 am, grab a latte by the Score Birds Hotel pool and catch up on email and any state-side business on my phone, then watch some news or a movie in my room. Around 1 pm or so, head out for lunch, or maybe do some shopping at SM Clark or SM Pampanga and do a late afternoon club crawl to preview the babes, either on WS, Perimeter, or other off-WS locations before getting dinner at one of several decent places around Angeles (T-Backs, Tequila Reef, Papi's, 69 Rock Bar, etc.). This night, I decided to re-visit clubs where I met a bar girl I liked but did not pull the trigger. So I bounced between Lollipop, Genesis, XS, and Avalon. Sadly none of the babes I was hoping to see again were around. Either on their day off, or perhaps already bar fined, or given how old and fat I am, they just avoided me. LOL.
Having no luck re-finding any of the targeted babes, I decided to step onboard the Viking Ship to see what kind of talent was dancing on deck. (Ok, enough with the boat metaphors. You are welcome.) The Mamasan remembered me from my last visit a few days earlier (BTW: That "never forget a monger's face" skill seems to be a Mamasan superpower, and it's mighty potent). She told me the girl I was interested in from my last visit, Diane, was working that night. That made MrHappyKat, well, as the name implies, a very happy cat! A few minutes later Diane was snugged under my arm while she enjoyed an SML and various small talk with me. She is (barely) 20,5'0", 93 lbs. With a sweet, pretty face, no baby damage (no kids), flat belly, perky A-cups, and a gentile personality that caught me off guard when she answered my question about kissing my probing my mouth with a deep, lingering kiss. We sealed the deal by comparing likes and dislikes and I ponied up the 4,500 p bar fine. (At Viking, the bar fine of 4,500 p can be either ST or LT, depending on the preferences of the girl.) Back to my room and a quick mutual shower. Fun ensured and I was presented with an option to express my appreciation in the location of my choice. I believe I choose well, and have a picture documenting my results (which I will not be sharing).
That was yesterday, and I'll be heading out soon for dinner. I expect to connect with a fellow ISG member later tonight for another club crawl.
I leave AC in 7 days. Let's see how much more fun I can have.
Report #8 - Angeles City.
Seeing double at Viking.
Been hanging with SirLancelot for a few days. We've been exploring on and off Walking Street and swapping stories of past adventures. Last night after kicking off the evening at Lollipop, we split up, each with a mission. My mission was to fnd a girl I had previously seen at Dollhouse. I took a seat and got a drink but did not find her. After chatting up two girls who recognized me from a previous visit, I was informed the girl was off that day. Were they lying to try to get me to BF them? Maybe. Or maybe they just didn't know and wanted to get my attention for themselves. Doesn't really matter. She wasn't there. After a concentrated attempt to get me to take both of these girls, I politely declined and asked a different girl with me. She was new, 3rd day. Very cute very sweet, and I liked her. BUT. When I asked if she wanted to see my hotel room, she told me she was on her time. She brought her friend over to meet me. I really wasn't interested, so I paid up and headed out.
Off to Geneis. No special talent this night. This club is a hit or miss location. I recommend you take a moment at the door to scope out the stage before taking a seat and ordering a drink. Dropped into CosPlay. And had the same (non) experience as Genesis. So I started heading back towards Kokomo's with the intention to get a drink and people watch from the rail. But on a lark I decided to pop into Viking instead.
I had good luck at Viking, previously pulling the sweet, 20-yr old Diane from there a few days earlier (see report #7). As before the Mamasan latched onto me when I entered and started sucking up for a drink. Now there's been some discussion about interacting with Mamasans and dealing with the pressure to buy multiple drinks for her and / or staff. I don't have any hard rules here, except to say it may be a good idea at larger clubs with LOTS of girls. Investing 350 p into a Mamasan drink can get you easily connected with the "type" you most want. Tonight, I told her I wanted to meet a nice girl like Diane, who I met before. She scooted off to look and brought back Liza. Liza is 22, on her 4th day, slim, and cute. We chatted for a while, and we seemed to get along. But when I asked her if she wanted to come home with me, she declined. OK. Happens. I let her head back to the stage. After a few minutes, Mamasan started a new search. I eventually spotted Joy. 20 years old, slim, maybe 5'2" tall and a very pretty face, boobs and bod. No baby damage evident, and she confirmed no kids. We chatted for a few minutes and I was close to pulling the trigger when she asked me if I wanted a threesome. I played it VERY cool and replied "HELLS YES I DO! Reasonably sure that I had retained all the negotiating power in this deal she pointed out her best friend for me, Jho.
Jho is almost a statistical carbon copy of Joy: same age, body type, kid status, etc. Jho has slightly darker complexion and is perhaps an inch or two thicker in the waist. But that's nit piking, really. I asked each one all of my qualifying questions: BJ-Yes, Kissing-Yes, BBCIP or CIM-yes and got a good feeling for the near future. So off we went. Bar fine 4,500 x 2 for ST, plus assorted drinks and the total bill was 10,900 p.
Back at my room, we took a few minutes to chat and get some drinks from the room fridge. I had locked my valuables in the room safe before, and I added my pocket cash and wallet when we entered the room, so felt comfortable starting a shower 1st. At Score Birds the showers are big enough for two, but not really big enough for 3, especially when one of the three is 6'1" tall me. They jumped in as I came out and I waited on the bed. They came out a few minutes later, each wearing a towel, wrapped like presents just for me.
Now threesomes can be problematic, if the girls are not experienced. Joy and Jho showed me that they have ample experience tag-teaming fat old white guys on a hotel bed. The only time I did not have something pink on my face and on my cock was when they were switching positions. I knew I would not last long, so I slowed things down for a while by going downtown on each of the girls. Jho seemed a bit reluctant at first. I understand that in PH culture, women are not always comfortable with it. But after a few minutes, Jho was showing all the signs of enjoying her experience. I think I gave her at least one, maybe two orgasms. But, perhaps due to the culture again, she was reluctant to express her enjoyment. Or to be fair, maybe I just did a lousy job. LOL.
I switched to Joy for some DATY fun and she was fully onboard. After making her (appear to be) happy, I asked them to resume the main acts and they mounted up for the end game. It didn't take long before I filled Joy with, pardon the expression, joy. During the after-sex cool down, we lay on the bed snuggling, which as an old guy I've come to appreciate almost as much as the actual sex. Almost.
Eventually, they started showing more interest in their phones than in me, so I knew it was time to wrap up the session. They did a quick rinse in the shower (using the last of my towels) and as they dressed, I slipped a 100 p tip in each of their purses.
I only have a few more days in AC. Taking it easy the rest of today. The big Score Birds Hotel Swimsuit Contest is 2 days away. I'll be sure to provide an overview of my experience at the show.
Report #9 - Angeles City.
Score Birds Swimsuit Competition and my missed date with the Runner Up.
My last full day in Angeles City was also the 3rd Sunday of the month. Time for the Score Birds Monthly Swimsuit Competition. I had invited SirLancelot to be my guest and had reserved a table on the ground level near the bar-side of the pool area. A good location to see the babes on stage and interact with them as they mingled with the crowd during competition rounds. The night before I had called a previous PinaLove girl, Aria back for a lunch-time "snack" at 2,500 p and so I wasn't planning on taking any more sessions in my room before I left Angeles for Manila the next day. But plans can change, unless I screw up. Which I did. More about that later.
This month's show featured 11 contestants, most from Dollhouse, Avalon and Atlantis, with one "independent" entry. The show works like this:
1. Entry fee 500 p, which gets you entry (if you are not already a hotel guest), a bundle of 6 bead bundles (long strings of beads in sort of necklace), and unlimited access to the (average) buffet. Drinks from the bar are regular price, pay as you go.
2. There is a "house" band playing (3 singers and a keyboard) covering 70's and 80's classics.
3. Competition consists of 3 rounds of girls presenting on the raided stage at the back of the pool.
4. Audience votes by tossing a ring of beads on stage (or in the pool) while their choice is featured.
5. After two rounds, the top 6 gilrs are dubbed semi-finalists and the remaining 6 are cut.
6. After the 3rd round, the girl with the most beads wins.
7. Between rounds, the girls circulate amongst the crowd and guests can buy them and drink and chat, much like you might if you saw them in the bars.
8. When chatting with a contestant, you can negotiate an after-contest date if you are both so inclined.
9. Confirmation of recent rules change: Photos and videos are no longer permitted at the event. The unofficial reason is that YouTube vloggers "ruined" and too many attendees complained after the February show. I did manage to get a pic with me and the 2nd place winner. And no, I will not be sharing it.
And so I found myself after the 2nd round chatting up a girl who would end up the 2nd place winner. We seemed to get along well and she accepted my offer to join Lancelot and me at 69 Rock Bar after the show. The bar (a regular bar, no bar fines here) was having a St. Patrick's Day thing and we planned to go for a while. I arranged for my date to text me on WhatsApp before our planned meeting at 7:00 pm at the bar. This proved problematic. SirLancelot and I met at the bar and awaited the arrival of my girl. But technology and weather had other ideas, unfortunately. I was unable to connect to the Bar Wifi, despite having the bar tender try to enter the correct password several times. Next, around 8:00 pm it started to rain, really hard. I had not heard from my girl by 8:30, so Sir Lance and I decided to bail once the rain subsided. As soon as I got back to the hotel my WiFi connection resumed and there was a text message from her, timestamped at 7:30 pm. Curious. I checked my iPhone settings and realized I had not enabled WhatsApp to use cellular service to connect. Yikes! So I missed her very timely text. I was able to connect with her around 9:30 pm, but by then I decided to pass on meeting as I needed to leave early for Manila.
Next (and my last) report will be posted in the Manila Board.
Angeles City: Supplemental feedback / observations:
1. Score Birds Hotel:
It's definitely 2nd tier after ABC, but there are many other hotels at this level. Ultimately, if you want to stay in the $50-$75 a night range, you can find many options. Selecting the "right" one for you requires that you have a clear idea of what your priorities are between things like location, room size and room features (AC, hot water, noise, etc.), in-house restaurant and / or bar, guest policy, and so on.
I'd say I was generally pleased with SB, but: The mid-tier room I selected was located on the front edge of the building on a fairly busy street (right behind WS). So I got serenaded by car and trike (they NEVER seem to have mufflers!) noises all night. Next, I had to change room after 3 days as the hot water was out, despite 3 attempts to repair it.
The location was good for me, about a 5 minute walk up the street and around the corner to Tequila Reef and on to Kokomos, and in the other direction, maybe a 5 minute walk in the other direction to drug store (where I bought extra soap, shampoo and a razor for my one-month stay) and then on to the McDonalds end of WS.
2. Toilets in GoGo bars:
What do you expect from bars that cater to hundreds of men sucking down beer for hours and hours? I would classify the toilets across all bars as between a Level 1 to level 5 Bio-hazard:
Level 1 "Must be decontaminated prior to entry. ".
Up to.
Level 5 "Must be incased in cement and sealed for at least 100 years to prevent radiation poisoning of the local population. ".
Mitigation Tip: Carry at least a half dozen Dude Wipes in your back pocket (look them up on Amazon). These can be used as pre-contact surface cleansers, matter-removal (in connection with the "bum guns" and in place of the almost always missing hand soap and towels.
You have been warned.
3. Bars with the best looking (IMO) girls:
Just my non-scientific impressions: Lollipop, Club XS, Avalon, Dollhouse, Avalon, Viking.
4. Bars with the most fun (IMO) girls:
Just my non-scientific impressions: Angel Witch (all fuglies, but they know how to party), Viking, Showtyme.
5. Typical Bar Fines:
Nothing new to report: anywhere between 3,900 p (some perimeter bars) to 6,000 p (Club XS). My personal take: If you are struggling with the delta (which is less than $40 USD from low to high), you might want to reconsider your mongering objectives.
6. Tipping:
Not required. But generally, I would leave any coins received as change or a 20,50 or 100 p note behind whenever I paid cash.
7. Grab versus trikes versus walking:
Again, this comes down to personal choices / needs. I have bad knees, and trikes are just too small for me to be practical. So Grab was a perfect option. It works like Uber and you can fund it with a US-based card (credit or debit beware of foreign trans fees). A typical local trip cost me 120 p (about $2 US) each way. Worth it.
8. Weather:
It's hot. I was there Feb -March and every day saw temps from mid-80's to mid-90's with moderate humidity, though rain was rare.
9. Western Style Restaurants:
I'd stay away from street food and tap water. Your gut and colon will thank you later. Western Style places are ok to good. If you like US places like Denny's, TGI Fridays, Applebee's, El Torrito, you will be ok with:
Tequila Reef, T-Backs Sports Bar, 69 Rock Bar, Papi's Bar & Chill, Envy and Agave. All have large menus and most have Pilipino dishes as well.
10. Souvenirs (need for your "cover story".
There are street shopping stalls everywhere. Most have crappy tourist goods, cheap clothes and trinkets. Great for inexpensive prezzies for the folks back home (assuming they don't see the "made in China" stickers). For "proper" shopping, SM City Clark (close) and SM Pampanga Malls (10-14 miles take a Grab) are good choices. These have local and big-brand international brands at relatively high prices. But they also have Starbucks, Pizza Hut and more familiar eateries.
I bought several T-Shirts from local vendors and found a few shot glasses from the famous Adrian (the Shout Out guy on Chubs YT Vlogs) who sells in front of Avalon during the day. Remember your luggage max weight limits with your airlines. Hint: Bring an $8 luggage scale with you search Amazon).
See report #1 in the Makati board.
See report #10 in the Manila board.
If someone is up for a beer let's meet. I'm staying at ABC.I'm also staying at ABC this week (and part of next), up to meet if you're around.
I tried to attach photos of the bus Koreans security use. They are even buying up sari sari stores and change their money in places like Norma's in groups. I reckon there is a heavy presence of second tier Koreans gangsters keeping all cash flows in house.
I was there for two months and even though I fucked the flower lady and others, I spent almost all my time with a sweetie who wanted me to give her a baby, even though I am not long for this world. My biggest expense was health as my body is in pieces.
I settled into a local community and was on good terms with bar girls (boring), sari sari owner and others. Most of this was because my sweetie is a sweetie, not like the Korean gfs who get their skin painted white (10 k per injection) and their asses made bigger. Normal girls beat them hands down and normal girls are, normal.
I bought liquid kamagra but the taste is too obvious for my partners and I don't recommend it, especially for folk like me who are past sex.
I only went up Walking St a few times but I find it boring. Ditto the sex with the flower girls who are basket cases.
I ate mostly local but the stuff of cooking up in the morning and leaving it sit all day is Russian roulette with food poisoning. We went to one outdoor local joint and I watched a rat climb into the store (and climb back out again. Sweetie did not care.
Sidewalks, if such they are, are death traps. Locals work much too hard for too crappy a pay.
It is almost much too hot.
The only positive was sweety, a hard working angel, who deserves better in life,.
If there was somewhere in the Philippines I could live with her for half a year and support her all year round, I would consider it. Angeles is not that place. She saves most of her salary for the baby and I admire that. I see nothing to admire in the bar girls and only pity for those at the margins.
One good thing about the white crowd in Walking St is they make me feel young (because they are so old), even though I am far from young. On that, I lied about my age to sweety, saying I was about 20 years younger. Old habits die hard.
I might return to Angeles for medical treatment and for sweety. The rest you can keep.
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Pussycat123
03-28-24, 06:32
You can also get a BJ at Party Time bar. It's a little hole in the wall near Tequila Reef Restaurant. Quality varies but I've had some nice finds there. 2 K.I believe its called Party one and its now moved round the corner onto Vian St.
Pussycat123
03-28-24, 06:43
I've noticed there is a biker gang presence at a lot of these Perimeter Bars. They must get sweaty under those leathers.
She pointed out a cheerful elderly Japanese man who was handing out 20 baht notes to lots of girls.
The bikers own at least one of the bars in Perimter Rd.
And If I'm not mistaken they pesos in the Philipines.
LoveItHere
03-28-24, 19:31
You can also get a BJ at Party Time bar. It's a little hole in the wall near Tequila Reef Restaurant. Quality varies but I've had some nice finds there. 2 K.
I believe its called Party one and its now moved round the corner onto Vian St.To the immediate right of Uncle Johnny's (prior Mini Stop) on A. Santos is a 2 meter x 2 meter ST location with 4 girls. 1 upper 30's. 2 in their 40's, and 1 is the old mamasan of the Black Pearl and is very small and in her 50's. Name of place and price I never bothered to ask. The name I did not see. I assume this is where the Cups went because he quoted 2000 p and I know the other one is only 1500 p because I took a girl from there 4 weeks prior. I am confused why the Cups says he had some nice finds there because I do not see a young girl in her 20's staying there more than a week with those old ladies before moving on.
The other one is one Vian street before Pacific Breeze Hotel. Around 10 girls working there.
The third one is near the back of Raymond Street with around 11 girls and the fee I believe is 1500 p.
To the immediate right of Uncle Johnny's (prior Mini Stop) on A. Santos is a 2 meter x 2 meter ST location with 4 girls. 1 upper 30's. 2 in their 40's, and 1 is the old mamasan of the Black Pearl and is very small and in her 50's. Name of place and price I never bothered to ask. The name I did not see. I assume this is where the Cups went because he quoted 2000 p and I know the other one is only 1500 p because I took a girl from there 4 weeks prior. I am confused why the Cups says he had some nice finds there because I do not see a young girl in her 20's staying there more than a week with those old ladies before moving on.
The other one is one Vian street before Pacific Breeze Hotel. Around 10 girls working there.
The third one is near the back of Raymond Street with around 11 girls and the fee I believe is 1500 p.Correct. The key word is "had", LIT. There used to be one nice one, great body, but she got knocked up and moved back to her hometown Metro Manila. Had a threesome with her sister who gives an amazing blowjob. I saw them both several times.
WestCoast1
03-29-24, 01:37
To the immediate right of Uncle Johnny's (prior Mini Stop) on A. Santos is a 2 meter x 2 meter ST location with 4 girls. 1 upper 30's. 2 in their 40's, and 1 is the old mamasan of the Black Pearl and is very small and in her 50's. Name of place and price I never bothered to ask. The name I did not see. I assume this is where the Cups went because he quoted 2000 p and I know the other one is only 1500 p because I took a girl from there 4 weeks prior. I am confused why the Cups says he had some nice finds there because I do not see a young girl in her 20's staying there more than a week with those old ladies before moving on.Stayed late last year at Bourbon St hotel, next to Rob's Gastropub (good food / drink, live band most evenings), and directly across the street from Uncle John's (see pic #1). The ST location is marked with an X on the map. I did not partake, but stopped in there several times for a drink and some chat with the mama and girls. One of them was an early 30's thing with a spectacular face (big, suggestive eyes) and well-portioned jugs. She usually wore a long evening gown, indicative of a paunch tummy, but it was difficult to tell. I was on an upper floor, and when I was out on the balcony, she'd sit near the door and stare up at me with both impressive eyes and hooters, for a long time. Damn.
1500 was the quoted price for ST. Did not partake but I asked one girl if she could stay 4 hours and 2 pops for that and she said yes. Do not remember the name of the place. It also doubles as a sari store (locals walk in and grab a smoke or coke).
The other one is one Vian street before Pacific Breeze Hotel. Around 10 girls working there.Familiar with this place, Party One bar. It used to be on the corner of Vian / Santos, facing Tequila Reef. From zero girls available, up to about 8 girls when I stopped by. Next door to Mt View Laundry. Think the quoted price was 2 k. Looks ran from 1 or 2 young / attractive (20's), to older / fugly.
The third one is near the back of Raymond Street with around 11 girls and the fee I believe is 1500 p.Was not aware of this place. However there is a bar for live band on the Galang near the corner of Raymond (see pic#2) called Midnight Rodeo Live Bar, live band every night. Next door to that is Brown Sugar Restobar, often with live band, for those looking for something other than poon (or something to do with poon other than poon).
LoveItHere
03-29-24, 10:31
Was not aware of this place. However there is a bar for live band on the Galang near the corner of Raymond (see pic#2) called Midnight Rodeo Live Bar, live band every night. Next door to that is Brown Sugar Restobar, often with live band, for those looking for something other than poon (or something to do with poon other than poon).Not interested. I only do poon.
Sometimes when I read posts I question if people are really there or they just do not pay attention. There used to be 3 Raymond Street ST bars all next to each other 17+ years ago when I first went there (maybe there much longer). So the only one remaining has been there 17+ years with the girls sitting outside half the day and most the night long so hard to miss when one usually yells at you as you walk past.
I saw a guy I briefly met in the country of Colombia on Fields Avenue. He had been going to Colombia for years and I saw him many times but rarely spoke to him. 20 minute conversation and I mentioned 3 websites in Colombia to find girls but mostly photoshop BS. He had no idea about any of them. I always saw him talking to all these other foreigners who also speak Spanish. Yet here I was the only one who did not speak Spanish yet I know more than they did. Yeah I talked to some of the others and they were also clueless so I had no interest in conversing with them.
A Traveler
03-29-24, 14:53
Folks here are probably not happy with me after I payed a barfine for a cutie at 123, then she told me she was cherry and wouldn't go home with me. I haven't really been following the forum because I've been having too much fun here. Well, after three weeks of her messaging me every day I insisted that she come over. She said she would since she's not working during Holy Week, but she asked if she could bring a friend. I asked her straight up if it would be a three way and she said yeah, for 2. 5 k apiece, which is usually the price of the barfine for one girl.
Her friend was 21, cute, had big su sus, no baby, and was giggly. I had to prod them to get going, but cherry girl kissed me and let me suck her little boobs while cute friend gave me a blowjob while I finger banged her. Eventually I got to bang her BBFSCIP while cherry girl sat there, which made it hot. So happy ending to the saga.
Despite a lot of negativity on this forum, it's been pretty fun here for the last month. A lot of pretty young girls in the bars. Maybe the high barfines are attracting more talent. Geckos and Shooter are particularly good.
I have been having a weird problem I never had in that when I go back to repeat with a girl I had a good session with, she will accept a drink, but then not go with me again. This happened with girls in Old Bar, Shooters and Geckos. Maybe I boom boomed them too long?
Another problem is that after a while it's hard to pick a girl, because they all start to look similar, and in most bars the girls are aloof, so you have to pick one and tell a waitress or one of the annoying laser pointer guys who you want. But since they look similar I often can't decide. In Geckos, Shooters, Lollipop and Old Bar the girls are friendlier and more accessible, but I already have a girl in each of those bars.
The biggest problem is the cost. I'm chasing the youngest, prettiest girls, so that's a 5 k barfine plus maybe another 1,000 for drinks. It's not cheap here anymore.
WestCoast1
03-29-24, 16:51
There used to be 3 Raymond Street ST bars all next to each other 17+ years ago when I first went there (maybe there much longer). So the only one remaining has been there 17+ years with the girls sitting outside half the day and most the night long so hard to miss when one usually yells at you as you walk past.Yes, pulled many a lass from the Raymond ST bars. However on my travels late last year and early this year, I did not notice any girls in any of them. Sad face those places didn't survive Covid.
I saw a guy I briefly met in the country of Colombia on Fields Avenue. He had been going to Colombia for years and I saw him many times but rarely spoke to him. 20 minute conversation and I mentioned 3 websites in Colombia to find girls but mostly photoshop BS. He had no idea about any of them. I always saw him talking to all these other foreigners who also speak Spanish. Yet here I was the only one who did not speak Spanish yet I know more than they did. Yeah I talked to some of the others and they were also clueless so I had no interest in conversing with them.Knowing even a minimum of Spanish is helpful here, given the Spanish words in the language, and the Spanish heritage.
LoveItHere
03-29-24, 18:17
Yes, pulled many a lass from the Raymond ST bars. However on my travels late last year and early this year, I did not notice any girls in any of them. Sad face those places didn't survive Covid.
Knowing even a minimum of Spanish is helpful here, given the Spanish words in the language, and the Spanish heritage.Early this year? That one ST bar on Raymond was open with girls February 3 when I checked. So you were there in January and nobody was there? I think not.
I have no idea what you are trying to say about Spanish. Everyone knows that speaking the local language of any country is better than not. My point was that I know a whole whopping 20 words, but know more than the gringos that speak the language (aka the guy I mentioned not knowing about the brothel websites). There are foreigners in Colombia who speak Spanish and talk to one another and the girls. Yet they know nothing and information is not shared between them. I am the one teaching that fool I mentioned.
Folks here are probably not happy with me after I payed a barfine for a cutie at 123, then she told me she was cherry and wouldn't go home with me...
Despite a lot of negativity on this forum, it's been pretty fun here for the last month..No need to apologise. Everyone here has their own likes and thinks others are crazy for not thinking the same way. You spent your money to get something that you enjoyed. End of story. It's informative to others regardless of if we are looking for the same thing or not.
I'm happy to lead the charge in calling AC a shithole but I must say that it's refreshing to hear a some good news stories. A few extra dollars are being spent and it's a bit more work to weed through the 3's but in the end guys are having a good time. Sure beats reading about doom and gloom every report.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
03-30-24, 00:45
Early this year? That one ST bar on Raymond was open with girls February 3 when I checked. So you were there in January and nobody was there? I think not.May well have been. When I was there (September, December, January), I didn't notice any. That doesn't mean that the place was not open, it just means that I didn't see any. The other places you mentioned, yes did see.
I have no idea what you are trying to say about Spanish. Everyone knows that speaking the local language of any country is better than not. My point was that I know a whole whopping 20 words, but know more than the gringos that speak the language (aka the guy I mentioned not knowing about the brothel websites). There are foreigners in Colombia who speak Spanish and talk to one another and the girls. Yet they know nothing and information is not shared between them. I am the one teaching that fool I mentioned.I was talking about Philippines.
TwentyTwoTwos
03-30-24, 02:53
Hey guys, planning my first angeles city trip. Will be part of an itinerary. Will be in angeles from a Monday to weds. I see most of you guys are rating hotels. Is there a preference of hotel over airbnb?
Also, I want to be do my first threesome there? Any advice or tips to make it go smoother? I do see recommended bars but is there one that specializes in this service? What price range should I push for just so I know what's reasonable. I see quotes from 3000 to each girl to 5000.
A Traveler
03-30-24, 05:54
Hey guys, planning my first angeles city trip. Will be part of an itinerary. Will be in angeles from a Monday to weds. I see most of you guys are rating hotels. Is there a preference of hotel over airbnb?
Also, I want to be do my first threesome there? Any advice or tips to make it go smoother? I do see recommended bars but is there one that specializes in this service? What price range should I push for just so I know what's reasonable. I see quotes from 3000 to each girl to 5000.If you want to pay for a nice hotel, I recommend One Euphoria. It's $100 a night, but it's like a modern condo with a kitchen. If you don't want to pay quite as much, Central Park or Queens are acceptable. If you want a decent Airbnb, Kandi Palace or Tower are decent condos with kitchens, but they have weird furniture and decoration.
I am a threesome fan, but its not always easy to make them happen. You won't have enough time for my "strategy" of barfining a cherry girl then messaging her every day for three weeks until she brought her friend. In the past I sometimes would ask a girl straight up for a threeway. But if they agreed it usually wasn't very good because they didn't know me, and they would ask for condoms because they would be embarrassed to not use one with another girl there.
What's worked in the past is in high energy bars where the girls are flirty, it's easy to buy drinks for two girls, flirt with them both, and if they are both into it ask to barfine both of them. Given more time I prefer to look for a girl I "click" with and have good boom boom with. Then after a couple repeat sessions, ask her to bring a friend next time.
I am a threesome fan, but its not always easy to make them happen. You won't have enough time for my "strategy"..I'd agree it's a big ask to find a full PSE threesome with just a three day stay.
I'd suggest 2022 just go to a mama and detail what he wants. And I mean explicit details. Threesome could mean different things to different people. He can't complain if he wants the girls to fuck each other but he didn't explain that.
It's important to be a little street smart in the bar before paying. Girls promising the world and being overly flirty rarely actually deliver back in the room.
Good luck to him but this is an area of big promises and under delivery.
Enjoy. G.
Pussycat123
03-31-24, 05:37
Yes, pulled many a lass from the Raymond ST bars. However on my travels late last year and early this year, I did not notice any girls in any of them. Sad face those places didn't survive Covid.
There is a bar on Raymond St about 25 yards from the church at the bottom corner, used to be called Love Knots, it might be called Wine Bar now but not sure. I think it still exists. The girls usually sit outside on white plastic chairs. Its hit and miss, sometimes there are bangable girls and other times, nothing.
I've taken a few girls from there ST and they were usually cool. I think BBFS is standard.
Pussycat123
03-31-24, 05:48
I have been having a weird problem I never had in that when I go back to repeat with a girl I had a good session with, she will accept a drink, but then not go with me again. This happened with girls in Old Bar, Shooters and Geckos. Maybe I boom boomed them too long?
The biggest problem is the cost. I'm chasing the youngest, prettiest girls, so that's a 5 k barfine plus maybe another 1,000 for drinks. It's not cheap here anymore.Hmm regarding repeats, not sure what you are doing wrong because when I was in AC recently and walked down Walking St, my phone was blowing up with messages from girls who I'd barfined in the past who had seen me; They were almost begging me to barfine them and were complaining I hadn't told them I was coming. I hit these girls pretty hard and long so I don't think that's the issue. Could it be tipping? I don't think I'm overly generous but I usually tip 500p, buy them 600p dresses if I don't like what they are wearing, take them barhopping etc before banging them.
I agree its getting pricey there, I usually plan to spend $3k-$4k for a one week trip not including flight. I was there at Christmas and I spent $5k not including flight for ten days.
Pussycat123
03-31-24, 05:57
Hey guys, planning my first angeles city trip. Will be part of an itinerary. Will be in angeles from a Monday to weds. I see most of you guys are rating hotels. Is there a preference of hotel over airbnb?
Also, I want to be do my first threesome there? Any advice or tips to make it go smoother? I do see recommended bars but is there one that specializes in this service? What price range should I push for just so I know what's reasonable. I see quotes from 3000 to each girl to 5000.I tried threesomes a few times in AC and it never worked out. It might suprise you, but most Pinays, even bargirls, are pretty conservative. Just look at the swimsuits they wear, its like something your grandmother would wear, or they wear shorts and a t shirt. Sometimes a girl will pick her friend in the bar for a "Threesome", but all she's just doing her friend a favour by letting her earn some money.
Ive had two girls in my bed on several occasions but I just banged them seperately.
At Christmas I barfined a girl and her lesbian girlfriend, but the girlfriend had tampo (Sulking) during the barhop and wanted to go home before we even made it to the hotel.
WestCoast1
03-31-24, 06:00
There is a bar on Raymond St about 25 yards from the church at the bottom corner, used to be called Love Knots, it might be called Wine Bar now but not sure. I think it still exists. The girls usually sit outside on white plastic chairs. Its hit and miss, sometimes there are bangable girls and other times, nothing.
I've taken a few girls from there ST and they were usually cool. I think BBFS is standard.Thank you sir. Do you remember the barfine price?
FuriousGeorge
03-31-24, 10:24
I agree with the general sentiment that threesomes are generally not great in AC. Your best bet is to take a girl solo and if you really click see if she recommends another girl to join.
As far as money goes. In US dollars, let's do the math. About $2500 to get there and back. Central Park or any nice hotel with a kick ass room is about $100 a night, so $3000 on top of that (I stay for a month). I bring $4000 in cash and change it out as needed every couple days. That 4 k covers everything; food, drinks, entertainment, nice dinners, and barfines. So we're at 9. 5 k USD for a month. BUT, subtract what your US credit card bill is monthly. Let's say it's 5 k USD. Because you won't be putting anything on that card in AC (well maybe a couple of outings to Aqua). So now we're at $4500 net cost for a full month of good times and good vibes and lots of bareback sex. More than worth it in my opinion.
WestCoast1
03-31-24, 15:13
Perfect example of what I said earlier that I question if guys have actually been to these locations or if they pay attention to anything around them.Ya been there (see pics from back in the day). Just didn't notice any such thing when I was there a few months back. That doesn't indicate blindness or stupidity. OTOH not seeing your price of 1500 previously might be such an indication. Pics:
Pic 1. Formerly WOW Bar back in the day, it changed name to Party One (or 1) bar about a decade ago. It was on Santos St, at Vian, directly across from Tequila Reef. After Covid it moved a few doors down on Vian.
Pics 2-5 some of the Raymond St bars, back in the day. Kings Head, Aby Lyn, Prince of Wales, etc.
Pics 6-7. Three of Raymond St's finest, circa 2014. It could not have been a better situation. For about p4-500, you could take a girl upstairs, or back to your place. For a blue note you got a 3-some at your hotel for several hours.
Pics 8-9. Three of Aby Lyn's finest, in-house.
Expat American
03-31-24, 15:55
I tried threesomes a few times in AC and it never worked out. It might suprise you, but most Pinays, even bargirls, are pretty conservative. Just look at the swimsuits they wear, its like something your grandmother would wear, or they wear shorts and a t shirt. Sometimes a girl will pick her friend in the bar for a "Threesome", but all she's just doing her friend a favour by letting her earn some money.
Ive had two girls in my bed on several occasions but I just banged them seperately.
At Christmas I barfined a girl and her lesbian girlfriend, but the girlfriend had tampo (Sulking) during the barhop and wanted to go home before we even made it to the hotel.Pinay bar girls are NOT conservative. This is the new AC which is all BS. I've seen naked lesbian shows, body paint shows, girls licking chocolate sauce of each other, in bar sex and blow jobs and have had lots of great threesomes with 18 year old girls. Not as easy anymore which is why I don't go there now a days. Ask anyone who has been to AC prior to 2015 how conservative bar girls are. LOL.
Pics 2-5 some of the Raymond St bars, back in the day. Kings Head, Aby Lyn, Prince of Wales, etc..Good to see the Prince of Wales getting the recognition he deserves. As the King wants to be a tampon in Camilla's hairy check book, the one is well named too. I wonder if Royalty are as good in the sack as are these $5 hookers.
MrHappyKat
03-31-24, 19:57
I visited 2 of these while I was there recently. If I recall correctly, here are the fees:
BJ: 2,000-2,500, includes CIM.
2 Girl BJ: 2,000-2,500 each.
FS: 4,500.
The bar had a back room with little privacy beyond turned off lights for BJ's. While I was there I saw a guy getting a BJ from 3 girls.
For FS they have a more private room upstairs.
IMO, 6 out of the 7 girls I saw in each bar were chubby fuglies. One was in shape and maybe a generous 6. But how hot does she need to be to give you a BJ in the dark?
Thank you sir. Do you remember the barfine price?
FuriousGeorge
03-31-24, 20:23
HM if I remember correctly, my FS price was under 2 k, something like 1. 7. But I did buy drinks for the girls and the mama. There was only one skinny one but she was good. This was the place with the spiral staircase going up to the creepy room.
I visited 2 of these while I was there recently. If I recall correctly, here are the fees:
BJ: 2,000-2,500, includes CIM.
2 Girl BJ: 2,000-2,500 each.
FS: 4,500.
The bar had a back room with little privacy beyond turned off lights for BJ's. While I was there I saw a guy getting a BJ from 3 girls.
For FS they have a more private room upstairs.
IMO, 6 out of the 7 girls I saw in each bar were chubby fuglies. One was in shape and maybe a generous 6. But how hot does she need to be to give you a BJ in the dark?
LoveItHere
03-31-24, 21:57
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Unreal the idiots on this site. I gave detailed locations and prices of 2 out of the 3ST bars near Fields of 1500 p for sex. You are trying to give prices of 2 of these bars which is wrong. 100% wrong. WestCoast1 and I can both agree on that. Plus, you are saying they are "BJ Bars on / near Perimeter". We were not even talking about Perimeter. WTF! If you are actually talking about certain bars on or near Perimeter you need to give the name and or location for your post to mean anything what-so-ever.I was offered 1500 st frim the middle aged women outside the A Santos St bars at the back of the Roman Hotel complex. There are plenty of cheapies hanging around that joint but I am not that brave or stupid to try them. As 1500 PHP is over three days' minimum wage pay, there will be takers. God knows what some of the old dears outside Phillies charge. I call them old but anyone who has been banging around Walking St that long will be old beyond their years.
None of this is rocket science. Walking St is tourist prices, same as SM Mall.
Plenty of bargains and ion line if that is your game. Most guys just want quick and easy and so go to the bars and even pay rip off bar fines. Fine for the walking dead like me, and for lazy Koreans who don't want any trouble. But older and uglier hookers must make a living too.
Before I fell madly and passionately in love, I had one snglemum begging me to bonk her so she could feed her kids. Real Rome and Juliet stuff, Angeles style.
WestCoast1
04-02-24, 02:40
Some more throwback, circa 2010-11 I think, from Santos. Bubbly, happy girls on a 4-HR ST.
Bury yourself in something you love.
Pussycat123
04-02-24, 04:51
WTF? Are you guys mental? I answered these questions. I said "the only one remaining".
This is was I posted before:
Perfect example of what I said earlier that I question if guys have actually been to these locations or if they pay attention to anything around them.
Why do you have to be such an XXXXXXe all the time? I just posted facts that I know from a trip very recently. People like you are the reason folks don't like posting on these boards. You are not the only person who knows anything about Angeles. And why would you question if I have been to Angeles? I have been there twenty times in the past three years.
Pussycat123
04-02-24, 04:56
Pinay bar girls are NOT conservative. This is the new AC which is all BS. I've seen naked lesbian shows, body paint shows, girls licking chocolate sauce of each other, in bar sex and blow jobs and have had lots of great threesomes with 18 year old girls. Not as easy anymore which is why I don't go there now a days. Ask anyone who has been to AC prior to 2015 how conservative bar girls are. LOL.I'm just posting about the current AC, not something that might have existed in the past. The old AC is gone and it aint coming back. I think what matters to most readers of this board is something they can actually experience currently, and that's what I post about.
WestCoast1
04-02-24, 08:18
Why do you have to be such an XXXXXXe all the time? I just posted facts that I know from a trip very recently. People like you are the reason folks don't like posting on these boards. You are not the only person who knows anything about Angeles. And why would you question if I have been to Angeles? I have been there twenty times in the past three years.
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WTF? Are you guys mental? Perfect example of what I said earlier that I question if guys have actually been to these locations or if they pay attention to anything around them.
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EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was redacted or deleted to remove sections of the report that were largely argumentative. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You!Haha, I spy a pattern. Apparently LIH is smarter, and sees better, than the rest of us.
Haha, I spy a pattern. Apparently LIH is smarter, and sees better, than the rest of us.I don't know, I don't mind saying that I found LIH's attitude repulsive and arrogant and argumentative. I reported it, as it is unproductive and works counter to the purpose of this forum. Maybe someone else did, too, but his posts are semi-removed now.
I don't know, I don't mind saying that I found LIH's attitude repulsive and arrogant and argumentative. I reported it, as it is unproductive and works counter to the purpose of this forum. Maybe someone else did, too, but his posts are semi-removed now.Good on you Aml.
I find all the advice from all the guys on here helpful and didn't join up to see conflict happening.
If I can offer any advice in return at any time that might assist someone, it's a win win situation for me.
Phil.
Expat American
04-02-24, 15:54
I'm just posting about the current AC, not something that might have existed in the past. The old AC is gone and it aint coming back. I think what matters to most readers of this board is something they can actually experience currently, and that's what I post about.But the reason AC is not the same anymore is not because suddenly bar girls became "conservative". They still drop their panties for almost anyone for some (more expensive) Pesos. The reasons the bars started changes were numerous raids by police due to increased pressure from NGOs and other busybodies, and maybe no enough greasing of palms. Then came Koreans who changed the purpose of the bars to a showcase of dolls. None of this has to do with how conservative or not a bar girl is. I would suggest bar girls and many other lower income Filipinas that we encounter are all happy to fuck overweight bald white men within minutes of meeting them. In what world is that conservative?
But the reason AC is not the same anymore is not because suddenly bar girls became "conservative". They still drop their panties for almost anyone for some (more expensive) Pesos. The reasons the bars started changes were numerous raids by police due to increased pressure from NGOs and other busybodies, and maybe no enough greasing of palms. Then came Koreans who changed the purpose of the bars to a showcase of dolls. None of this has to do with how conservative or not a bar girl is. I would suggest bar girls and many other lower income Filipinas that we encounter are all happy to fuck overweight bald white men within minutes of meeting them. In what world is that conservative?Hard to beat that analysis. Beats me why guys over analyse it to death. Leaving aside the bar girls, even " overweight bald white men" who would not get a second look in an old folks' home are still in the game here. And though I see where the NGOs, for whom I have no time, are coming from, they remind me of some animal rights' folk who were recently filmed taking a puppy off a homeless guy, taking his only comfort blanket from him. Wood and trees.
NapaSlapper
04-04-24, 04:23
I qualified my past statements by stating that people CAN still barfine from Korean bars, it's just the girls that are available for us non-Koreans to barfine are the leftovers who didn't make the cut on the booking apps. And there's a reason more and more princesses are publicly turning us down in bars (but are happy to make private arrangements), I'll leave the reasons for that for the more observant members to deduce.
But what's done is done. They won and are now the dominant force in AC for the foreseeable. That doesn't mean I have to spend my money in their bars though. Like I said before, other people are happy to spend their money for the service they get from k-bars and are happy with whatever nuts they get. I'm a lot more selective with who gets my hard earned money, the bare minimum is they at least shouldn't be openly disrespecting me to my face.Its very true to say the Koreans won in Angeles, every new bar, every new hotel, every new restaurant, every new shop is being bought up by the Koreans, they have their own police, their own mini van girl delivery device, their own websites for girls, all the biggest and best bars are Korean oriented bars, the Koreans have well and truly taken over Angeles in most aspects.
Fully agree that the only girls left over for mr westerner to fuck is what has already been rejected by the Koreans wether that be online or in the bars, it is what it is unfortunately.
Its very true to say the Koreans won in Angeles, every new bar, every new hotel, every new restaurant, every new shop is being bought up by the Koreans, they have their own police, their own mini van girl delivery device, their own websites for girls, all the biggest and best bars are Korean oriented bars, the Koreans have well and truly taken over Angeles in most aspects.
Fully agree that the only girls left over for mr westerner to fuck is what has already been rejected by the Koreans wether that be online or in the bars, it is what it is unfortunately.I agree with you too Napa. However I've found that being 'resourceful' and thinking outside the square has worked for me. I know in Sabang there's always the issue of the Koreans raiding the girly bars early on in the night. However, I've met girls in a regular bar there and have an ongoing vacation relationship with them. The same went for me on my first trip to Angeles. With a little bit of research, I found my supply of very talented girls without having to do the whole Korean girly bar scene. And with the help of some guys on this forum I know where to head next to check things out. I just find that a lot of the local girls still appreciate the past military connections of the past and our Australian and American backgrounds. Sure, a lot of these girls mightn't be that young and trying to take the Korean cash, but damn, they know how to play. And have a good time and a laugh too!
WestCoast1
04-04-24, 14:58
Don't let them get you down, fellas. There's still a few gems there. *Leggy* gems.
Medellin65
04-05-24, 18:34
I just found this video on youtube but I guess price are not real, I guess now are more hight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f6QCwn927A
Into the video barfine start from 3 k ST to 4 k LT (ST 6 h, LT overnight).
Mmmm I guess not real rates.
Hello,
I'm planning a short trip to AC early May. Current plan is to fly in on a Wed evening and leave Friday very early morning. Will get to spend Wed evening, all day and night Thursday there. Will likely get a hotel right on or close to Walking Street. Wanted to check if mid week would be very slim pickings in the bars and if so would it be better to be there Friday evening instead? Ideally looking to go to clubs where I can get ST / LT without having to pay a barfine. Thanks and Cheers.
A Traveler
04-06-24, 04:34
[Deleted by Admin] but to help out any guys stuck in the West contemplating a trip, there are lots of pretty girls in the bars. My biggest problem is which girl in her 20's am I going to bang next? Q Bar, Shooters, Monsoon, Geckos, Lollipop, Insomnia, Old Bar are Western Style bars where the girls are flirty and accessible. Geckos, Q Bar and Shooters are particularly stocked with sexy girls.
Yeah, the other bars are Korean style, but my money is welcome in them and they have pretty girls. These bars are not for a fun night out drinking. The best approach is to tell the mama what you are looking for, and she will recommend a cutie to go with you. That's what I did at Skyfall, and I was satisfied with the cute twenty year old. There are dudes with laser pointers pushing girls in these bars, but I'd rather talk to the mama. Skyfall, Genesis, Bunny and Viking have a good selection of girls.
So yeah, despite the doom and gloom on this forum, this place is fun for sure.
Hello,
I'm planning a short trip to AC early May. Current plan is to fly in on a Wed evening and leave Friday very early morning. Will get to spend Wed evening, all day and night Thursday there. Will likely get a hotel right on or close to Walking Street. Wanted to check if mid week would be very slim pickings in the bars and if so would it be better to be there Friday evening instead? Ideally looking to go to clubs where I can get ST / LT without having to pay a barfine. Thanks and Cheers.My suggestion is don't bother coming. The normal set up is bars with barfines. Listen to NaySayer.
Lots of NonSense on this board. I'm too busy having a good time to keep up with the NonSense here, but to help out any guys stuck in the West contemplating a trip, there are lots of pretty girls in the bars. My biggest problem is which girl in her 20's am I going to bang next? Q Bar, Shooters, Monsoon, Geckos, Lollipop, Insomnia, Old Bar are Western Style bars where the girls are flirty and accessible. Geckos, Q Bar and Shooters are particularly stocked with sexy young girls.
Yeah, the other bars are Korean style, but my money is welcome in them and they have pretty girls. These bars are not for a fun night out drinking. The best approach is to tell the mama what you are looking for, and she will recommend a cutie to go with you. That's what I did at Skyfall, and I was satisfied with the cute twenty year old. There are dudes with laser pointers pushing girls in these bars, but I'd rather talk to the mama. Skyfall, Genesis, Bunny and Viking have a good selection of girls.
So yeah, despite the doom and gloom on this forum, this place is fun for sure.Doom and gloom for doomsayers. Otherwise there is plenty of girls and fun. There is no shortage of lovely girls.
Non believers should stay away and leave the fun to the rest of us.
WestCoast1
04-06-24, 06:33
I just found this video on youtube but I guess price are not real, I guess now are more hight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f6QCwn927A
Into the video barfine start from 3 k ST to 4 k LT (ST 6 h, LT overnight).
Mmmm I guess not real rates.See pics. Video was from a year ago. Synopsis: Fella takes a walk down Fields, visiting the bars in the area of BS, Insomnia, Music Bar, Soya (all from the street). Shows the drink and barfine prices for each bar. Its a good service, but posted a year ago. A lot changes. See pics. Vid shows most of those bars with 6-hour ST at p3000, and overnight LT at p4000. Fellas with boots on the ground can inform of current prices. When I was in Camelot a few months back, they had ST I think for 4 k, and LT for 5 k (or similar split prices).
NapaSlapper
04-07-24, 15:32
See pics. Video was from a year ago. Synopsis: Fella takes a walk down Fields, visiting the bars in the area of BS, Insomnia, Music Bar, Soya (all from the street). Shows the drink and barfine prices for each bar. Its a good service, but posted a year ago. A lot changes. See pics. Vid shows most of those bars with 6-hour ST at p3000, and overnight LT at p4000. Fellas with boots on the ground can inform of current prices. When I was in Camelot a few months back, they had ST I think for 4 k, and LT for 5 k (or similar split prices).Maybe making a recent visit will have you better informed, Camelot as well as other bars have closed down some time back.
As far as short time, long time or anything else then how long is a piece of string.
Every girl is different, every bar is different, only by buying a lady drink and asking the girl directly does she barfine, is she a cherry girl, does she have her monthlies, is she a drinks only girl, barhop only girl, will she stay 1 hour or 24 hours, does she give a blow job, does she allow bare back, does she swallow, is she a 3 holer etc will one get correct info, lets not forget each girl is different and also the same girl might give different answers to who ever is asking.
As prostitution is highly illegal and most all bars have been raided and closed or had to pay massive fines for even showing a glimps of a bare breast then bars distance themselves from prostitution and the chance of human trafficking claims, therefore paying a barfine is simply paying the bar to release the girl from the bar, at no time does the bar claim that sex with said girl is included.
As far as asking mamas about the girls, mamas are in the business of making commission, they will tell one what is most profitable for her and the bar, it all could be a load of bull, the mama has no say in who a bargirl will barfine with, for how long she will barfine or what services said bargirl will provide, as said, ask the girl directly if one wants to know what each girl will and won't do.
Latest pricing quoted in the bars of Angeles are all over the place, one can get a quote from 4,000 peso or 10,000 peso short time one pop or 5-6000 peso for long time.
What is completely evident is that there are very few attractive, young, slim girls available to barfine, why, because they are in such short supply they can earn huge drink commissions from staying in the bar and not fucking with anyone, yes its possible to get laid in Angeles but it sure as hell is not going to be with one of the better looking girls that is in extreme demand for drinks only.
As always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some have great taste in women and some don't, claims of I'm having a great time with great looking girls is just that claims, what one is happy with another might think she a no thank you for free girl.
NapaSlapper
04-07-24, 16:03
My suggestion is don't bother coming. The normal set up is bars with barfines. Listen to NaySayer.Not true at all, many guys use the multiple discos of Angeles to meet girls where there is no payment to a bar, also online girls are no bar payment, freelancers or street girls the same too.
Please before discouraging fellow members to not visit Angeles then at least get your facts right before posting.
WestCoast1
04-08-24, 01:14
Fellas with boots on the ground can inform of current prices. When I was in Camelot a few months back, they had ST I think for 4 k, and LT for 5 k (or similar split prices).A possible mea culpa. I might have been mistaken in my comments about Camelot. Mistaken in timeline. I was in Camelot back in September / October (I mentioned it in a subsequent FR, October 8). I recall mentioning to the mama how I'd heard the K bar girls were not staying LT anymore. She assured me that their girls who went LT stayed for LT (I did not partake). However, when I was in AC at Christmas, I am not sure if Camelot was open (or closed). If LIH saw it was closed in February, he is probably correct. Anyone with details of timeline of closing of Camelot feel free to update.
A Traveler
04-08-24, 06:51
A possible mea culpa. I might have been mistaken in my comments about Camelot. Mistaken in timeline. I was in Camelot back in September / October (I mentioned it in a subsequent FR, October 8). I recall mentioning to the mama how I'd heard the K bar girls were not staying LT anymore. She assured me that their girls who went LT stayed for LT (I did not partake). However, when I was in AC at Christmas, I am not sure if Camelot was open (or closed). If LIH saw it was closed in February, he is probably correct. Anyone with details of timeline of closing of Camelot feel free to update.I can confirm that Camelot has reopened under a different name, which I forgot. I haven't been in there yet, but will report back.
A Traveler
04-08-24, 07:10
To prove the naysayers wrong I visited some K bars last night. First up was Genesis, which had two cuties I was interested in a couple weeks ago, but didn't pull the trigger on. There was a Korean guy handing out pesos to the girls, which I felt would make it difficult for me to barfine, so I moved on. Last night those girls were not there, but there was a different cute girl. She smiled at me and probably her sister, who looked just like her but was fat, even did that thing where she gestures at her for me to take her. But I hesitated because she had a small tattoo on her back.
The big fat mama gave the girls a lecture, and they were very attentive. Key works I heard were "long time," "emergency," "short time. " I asked a waitress to clarify, and it was hard to follow, but it had to do with when girls go home early, Korean customers come back the next day and ask for a refund, while Westerners do not. So the customer will have to sign a piece of paper if the girl wants ST. At least that's what I think she said. The ST price is only 500 less than LT.
I had good experiences in Bunny in the past, despite the annoying, loud "DJ". Unfortunately now the mama always sits with me and I have to give her 100 pesos. A few weeks ago there were some young cuties, but again, some Korean dude was handing them pesos. This time there were only five fugglies. Mamma said they all got barfined early, which is possible. Or else they may have gone home. Who knows.
Viking is nuts. It's a small bar, but the stage is packed to the gills with girls. The layout is bad, so it's hard to see the girls, but I think there are a lot of pretties. I ended up in front of the stage, and instead of scoping out the girls and carefully selecting one, I pulled the trigger on the first pretty face smiling down at me. She was 24, pretty, and tall, 5'6", almost as tall as me. I like short girls, but she was happy and laughed at my jokes, so I figured I'd pull the trigger. 4,5000 BF, she stayed until 10 am, and three BBFSCIP pops. A satisfying session from a K bar, but she's just too tall for my tastes.
My biggest problem continues to be who to boom boom next. The cherry girl I barfined from 123, another K bar, wants to sell me her cherry for 15,000. Maybe if she was 18, but she's 24. I'll do another session with her and a friend.
Doom and gloom for doomsayers. Otherwise there is plenty of girls and fun. There is no shortage of lovely girls.
Non believers should stay away and leave the fun to the rest of us.Agree DG,
I'm not too fussy.
If she's a great 'Daffy Duck' and you're not obliged to keep an eye on the clock, it works for me.
I don't do the bar fine scene and have never had a problem finding great gristle grippers in the Philippines. And some lovely girls in the process.
Naively, on my first visit to Angeles I expected to stroll down Walking Street and get laid within five minutes.
There's some really lovely girls out there and I don't necessarily want a 9/10 looker if she's a lousy root.
My advice to others would be to do your 'work' during the day, subtlety communicating at every chance about your intentions, whether that be via the hotel security guard, the guy at the convenience store etc, They'll find you a decent girl (and obviously get a cut out of it) . Works every time for me.
And yes I agree with DG, there's some great girly action in AC.
It's just a crap destination for regular tourism and if you didn't want to travel to get laid, you'd never go there.
Latest pricing quoted in the bars of Angeles are all over the place, one can get a quote from 4,000 peso or 10,000 peso short time one pop or 5-6000 peso for long time.
What is completely evident is that there are very few attractive, young, slim girls available to barfine, why, because they are in such short supply they can earn huge drink commissions from staying in the bar and not fucking with anyone, yes its possible to get laid in Angeles but it sure as hell is not going to be with one of the better looking girls that is in extreme demand for drinks only.
As always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...Most of you guys are really Cheap Charlies. The biggest factor on what price a woman quotes is YOU!
First of all, when you try to under bid what they say they think you do not have much money! And no Money means No Fun!
Secondly, have you looked in the mirror recently? The women give a high price when they really do not want to be with you!
Third, they are probably holding out for some decent, friendly and charming guy like me, who wants to chat them up a little! Not just like buying a used car! Some of you rude guys are at a Meat Market and trying to negotiate everything. The women get turned off. They want some slow, smooth talker like me. Buy them a drink, find out where they are from, before you tell them you want to slam them every which way with your Dick!
Fourth, put yourself in their place. You are some smelly ass foreignor, going to be gone tomorrow, no chance to repeat, so they are getting all they can with one shot!
Finally, most of you old farts with no teeth, never shaved in a week, think you are special attitude. You think they girls really want your limp dicks when they can have 12 inches of Grade AAA cock? You small dicked men probably would have to stick it in 3 times to give them 12 inches of cock, and they are not impressed!
So remember, if you get a high price from the woman, its probably YOU. You are a loser, they are not interested, and shape up! Its not about your skill as a Negotiator, its about whether you take a bath! LOL.
A Traveler
04-09-24, 06:45
[Deleted by Admin] Barfines range from 4,000 to 5,000, (with one easily anvoided exception) and there are more pretty, slim girls than I can handle. Sure, some bars only have fuglies, but bars like Viking, Shooters, Geckos, and Avalon are well stocked with hotties. All the girls I bought drinks for barfined.
My biggest problems are who to boom boom next, girls I liked not wanting to repeat with me, and the high cost of drinks and barfines.
at least get your facts right before posting.
That is so funny coming from you!
Maybe making a recent visit will have you better informed, Camelot as well as other bars have closed down some time back.Again you're wrong. How would you know if you've never been to Angeles.
Camelot was open around November and / or January for numerous nights. I believe it was open for both months. It was open yesterday on April 8. I believe it re-opened during 2023 (Wasn't it around January of 2023?). Some bars close on Mondays, some bars close on and off.
I like to use words like "around", "about", "several", "few". My memory is not computer-like no more! And I like to be factually correct in my writings.
Here's the backstory on Camelot. Several / many years ago, the bar was raided. There was an under-aged girl working there. The mamasan was arrested, and she spent many years in jail. The American owner skipped town. Camelot was closed for many years. Another low-life American skipped out on his bills. This is at least the 2nd American that got scared, and skipped town without paying his bills. At least the Koreans pay the bribe, and re-opened quickly.
But in defense of the Americans, the cost would have been large. Since the girl was under-aged, I'm guessing the bribe would have been huge. Also, the owner simply cannot terminate his permanent staff without cost. His permanent employees will be people like the doorman, bartenders, cashiers, and cooks. Waitresses (who are paid below minimum wage) and bargirls are normally not permanent employees. Permanent employees pay into SSS (the Philippine Social Security).
I heard of a bar owner that had to pay one of his permanent employee 50 K pesos because he fired him incorrectly. But on the other side, an employee cannot quit without notice. He has to give a 4 week notice; if he doesn't, the owner can sue him for economic damage.
WestCoast1
04-09-24, 08:58
I like to use words like "around", "about", "several", "few". My memory is not computer-like no more! And I like to be factually correct in my writings.Same. Several of us have mentioned before, that for security reasons, its not a good idea to post FR's while still in town (and I recommend others do the same). Also I say things like "not mentioned here", regarding people or places or names, for the same reason. Example: "I went into a WS bar recently and spoke to a mama (names not mentioned here) about this situation. She told me such-and-such". Mentioning the name of the bar or the mama is a security risk. I realize that soon I will need to explain why to some rube in PM. I realize that not everyone is security-oriented "Westy, I go to AC so that I don't have to worry about this kinda bullsh*t". Check, and good for you.
Here's the backstory on Camelot. Several / many years ago, the bar was raided. There was an under-aged girl working there. The mamasan was arrested, and she spent many years in jail. The American owner skipped town. Camelot was closed for many years. Another low-life American skipped out on his bills. This is at least the 2nd American that got scared, and skipped town without paying his bills. At least the Koreans pay the bribe, and re-opened quickly.Good history. I was there at the time, and I think I mentioned the raid in an FR back around 2016.
I can confirm that Camelot has reopened under a different name, which I forgot. I haven't been in there yet, but will report back.I believe last year it was still Camelot.
Now there is a sign that says Zeus Bar. But the large sign that says Camelot on top is still there.
At 5 pm today, talent was marginal. But I like the remodel.
A friend today, April 10 exchanged USD at Normas for 56.10. Heck of a good rate. Prime rate was 56.23. Other money exchangers were at 55.80.
Also noted Genesis 7 am bus from NAIA T3 to SM Clark took 90 minutes.
A friend today, April 10 exchanged USD at Normas for 56.10. Heck of a good rate. Prime rate was 56.23. Other money exchangers were at 55.80.Last time, I checked them all. There are a series of money exchangers across MacArthur from Johnnys down to opposite McDonalds, then all the way up Fields, including the shops opposite Phillies etc. And Normas. Though on the second last of those visits Normas was best, I also got a good rate on one of the pawn shops opposite Phillies and one one of the shops opposite McDonalds / Phillies. Interestingly, a place directly oposite Johnnys had been best a year ago but this time, when I truthfully told them others had better rates, they told me to flk off.
Though Normas is popular with the hired hos, this time vans full of Koreans were pulling up to it, probably getting a good deal with kick backs.
P.
WestCoast1
04-10-24, 11:53
Also noted Genesis 7 am bus from NAIA T3 to SM Clark took 90 minutes.Auto and foot traffic was light here the past few days. I think the Dept of Ed closed schools due to excess heat; Tuesday was Valor day (Veterans? And today is Eid'l Fitr holiday.
Back to normal tomorrow.
Last time, I checked them all. There are a series of money exchangers across MacArthur from Johnnys down to opposite McDonalds, then all the way up Fields, including the shops opposite Phillies etc. And Normas. Though on the second last of those visits Normas was best, I also got a good rate on one of the pawn shops opposite Phillies and one one of the shops opposite McDonalds / Phillies. Interestingly, a place directly oposite Johnnys had been best a year ago but this time, when I truthfully told them others had better rates, they told me to flk off.
Though Normas is popular with the hired hos, this time vans full of Koreans were pulling up to it, probably getting a good deal with kick backs..I didn't know that many girls went to Norma's. Norma's has fluctuated at times and has been lower than the others. Normally Norma's is. 2 pesos higher. Money exchange is a tough business. You don't want to get caught holding the wrong currency when it goes up or down.
Transporter
04-10-24, 15:12
Last time, I checked them all. There are a series of money exchangers across MacArthur from Johnnys down to opposite McDonalds, then all the way up Fields, including the shops opposite Phillies etc. And Normas. Though on the second last of those visits Normas was best, I also got a good rate on one of the pawn shops opposite Phillies and one one of the shops opposite McDonalds / Phillies. Interestingly, a place directly oposite Johnnys had been best a year ago but this time, when I truthfully told them others had better rates, they told me to flk off.
Though Normas is popular with the hired hos, this time vans full of Koreans were pulling up to it, probably getting a good deal with kick backs.
P.Her posted rates are the rates she uses for the general customers. If you are one of her regulars she will give you a better rate. Even if her daughter or someone else is working the window and she is doing something else, if she recognizes you, she will motion you to come in the back and take care of you.
A friend today, April 10 exchanged USD at Normas for 56.10. Heck of a good rate. Prime rate was 56.23. Other money exchangers were at 55.80.
Also noted Genesis 7 am bus from NAIA T3 to SM Clark took 90 minutes.Happy to hear the Genesis bus started to operate. And an early morning trip of of 90 minutes is amazing. And read it as it starts every hour.
A friend today, April 10 exchanged USD at Normas for 56.10. Heck of a good rate. Prime rate was 56.23. Other money exchangers were at 55.80.
Also noted Genesis 7 am bus from NAIA T3 to SM Clark took 90 minutes.Although people get excited over that. 30 difference in the rate, it doesn't add up to much. For exchanging $200 US, you would get an extra 60 pesos or just a little over $1 US. Yes, it is always nice to get an extra dollar but I wouldn't jump for joy over it.
Although people get excited over that. 30 difference in the rate, it doesn't add up to much. For exchanging $200 US, you would get an extra 60 pesos or just a little over $1 US. Yes, it is always nice to get an extra dollar but I wouldn't jump for joy over it.After a 50 php trike ride to and again back you have lost money. I know people that will drive an extra 10 miles out of their way to save 2 cents on a gallon on gas. 10 gallons pumped is saving a total of 20 cents and they spent $10 dollars driving around, go figure.
FL.
Although people get excited over that. 30 difference in the rate, it doesn't add up to much. For exchanging $200 US, you would get an extra 60 pesos or just a little over $1 US. Yes, it is always nice to get an extra dollar but I wouldn't jump for joy over it.I wasn't jumping for joy but merely informing people. An inflated US $1. 00 certainly isn't worth much to us these days but passing it as a tip to the room attendant certainly does. After all a dollar saved is a dollar earned!
Hi folks. Thanks for the inputs on my earlier query on mid week action. I have booked a stay for a couple of days at the grand central hotel but am having some issues related to my booking thru a third party website. I am trying to reach the hotel on the number that I got during the booking but am unable to get thru. I have also done a search online for the contact number for this hotel but none of them seem to work. A long shot here. Reaching out to see if anyone here may have the correct hotel phone number to share. Don't want to end up arriving there only to find out they don't have a room for me. Thanks!
Hi folks. Thanks for the inputs on my earlier query on mid week action. I have booked a stay for a couple of days at the grand central hotel but am having some issues related to my booking thru a third party website. I am trying to reach the hotel on the number that I got during the booking but am unable to get thru. I have also done a search online for the contact number for this hotel but none of them seem to work. A long shot here. Reaching out to see if anyone here may have the correct hotel phone number to share. Don't want to end up arriving there only to find out they don't have a room for me. Thanks!I'd be interested in how your stay goes. Its a great location but I don't know if the shutdown during Covid lead to renovation or getting run down??
Enjoy. G.
A Traveler
04-13-24, 06:46
Some truly riveting discussion here on exchange rates. Meanwhile, just a reminder that there are bars here where you can exchange your pesos for boom boom, some have quite a few lookers, you can buy a drink for one you like for 350 PHP, and use that time to figure out if she likes you and ask her to go out with you, which will cost 4,000 to 5,000 PHP.
There are more pretty girls than I can handle. After a month here I will focus on three that I like, and that act like they like me: a 21 year old cutie from Leyte in Skyfall, a 22 year old beauty from Mindanao in Avalon, and a really pretty slim 30 year old from Tacloban in Lollipop.
Hi Guys,
If you are tired of paying 5 K for premium short time, and willing to lower your standards, I know of the three places near walking street that offer 1500 BJ either on the premise or back to your hotel room. And most do not mind being filmed. PM me if interested. I live in Negros but frequent AC as the round trip from Dumaguete is less than $100 or less if you fly into MNL and take the Genesis Bus from T3 (300 pesos /2 hours). I have regulars in AC, Subic, Manila, Cebu and Duma that I see apart from these low budget locales. My main squeeze in Subic, for example, is an 18 yo top heavy bottom light cutie that stays the night and treats me right. Not a bar girl. Not bad for a 68 yo bloke. Frankly I like Subic better than AC. Also unrelated to this thread there is a casa within walking distance of LA Cafe in Malate (now Midnight oasis or something like that) where you can get girls for 3 K. I did not take any girls from there, however. Cheers.
SouthEaster
04-15-24, 22:17
Thanks for the info (or offer of! I am the sort that might use this service because A. I am cheap. And be. I often just want to get off with little hassle, bar hopping ladies drinking and not wanting a shit nights sleep which is usually what happens with an all nighter. Though from reading this forum that seems to be less of an issue than in the past!.
I can see why you may like Subic better with a big tits 18 year old at your beck and call. Who wouldn't?
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