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The October 2008 issue is out. Sounds like "trouble in River City."
Some new bars and hotels and changes. Crime reports increasing but it's still supposed to be safe for mongers.
http://www.margarita-station.com/newsletters/oct08/
Interesting reading.
Slim
Is Lewis that much better than let's say ABC? (ABC has a better location at least :) ).
I haven't stayed in ABC so far, I can't compare.
are they eager because they like the upscale accomodations, or are they just expecting a bigger tip?
It's a mixture of both, I think.
Pic1, whose boobs are that? Should be well known, hehe....
Pic2, whose boobs are that? More difficult.
Pic3&4, foot fetish, anyone?
4&5, boob fetish, anyone?
:D :D :D :D
Cheers!
Pussy Luver
10-11-08, 15:39
There has been some chatter lately about the Korean invasion of AC. Enough has been said about their arrival in AC in the cultural differences they bring with them as they arrive in greater numbers. I think most of us realize what their arrival means to AC and how it will affect our lives there. I even experienced a little of it last year. My buddy and I went into a bar on Real Street, I think it was Agasya but it could have been one of the places next to it. The place was full of Korean's. We had a hard time getting a drink. It seemed like no waitress wanted to to serve us and the GRO's and dancers were staying away from us. It did not take me long to realize white boys were not overly welcomed in the place.
My question for you fellow mongers is, have all the bars on Real Street started catering to the Korean crowd? I will be back to the land of LBRPFM in November. I was hoping someone can provide me with a very recent update, like within the past month, of the bars that cater primarily, (or only) to Koreans. It will save me the hassle of wandering into them and upsetting the Korean or the ladies who prefer their company to white boys.
Hairy Wonder
10-12-08, 05:14
My question for you fellow mongers is, have all the bars on Real Street started catering to the Korean crowd? I will be back to the land of LBRPFM in November. I was hoping someone can provide me with a very recent update, like within the past month, of the bars that cater primarily, (or only) to Koreans. It will save me the hassle of wandering into them and upsetting the Korean or the ladies who prefer their company to white boys.
PL,
While I haven't been to AC, I thought I would give my 2 pesos worth of info here.
I have lived in Korea for about 10 years now, and know from my experiences here, that the Korean men will easily be willing to spend a lot more money than the American will. Because of this fact, the BG's will always ignore the Americans when there are Koreans in the bar throwing money around like it's candy. Most of the Filipinas I have talked to here, say they hate the Korean attitude and smell. But they flock to them, and even marry them for the money.
This sounds like what is happening there in AC. The Koreans, much like the rest of us, have also discovered that their money will buy much more in the Philippines than it can buy in their home country. Therefore, they have a big Philippines tourism push going here. Most of them don't know how to speak English or Tagalog. But they don't care. Most things in the Philippines, to include the pussy, are at bargain basement prices compared to Korea. I don't think you will see an end to this invasion anytime soon.
IMHO
HW
Rob Woodrow
10-12-08, 06:04
Agasya is fairly famous (or infamous) for that. Most of the other places in the Real area are fine as far as I know. Byrd Cage and Body Shop, to name a couple, are both good bars, popular with both tourists and local expats.
There has been some chatter lately about the Korean invasion of AC. Enough has been said about their arrival in AC in the cultural differences they bring with them as they arrive in greater numbers. I think most of us realize what their arrival means to AC and how it will affect our lives there. I even experienced a little of it last year. My buddy and I went into a bar on Real Street, I think it was Agasya but it could have been one of the places next to it. The place was full of Korean's. We had a hard time getting a drink. It seemed like no waitress wanted to to serve us and the GRO's and dancers were staying away from us. It did not take me long to realize white boys were not overly welcomed in the place.
My question for you fellow mongers is, have all the bars on Real Street started catering to the Korean crowd? I will be back to the land of LBRPFM in November. I was hoping someone can provide me with a very recent update, like within the past month, of the bars that cater primarily, (or only) to Koreans. It will save me the hassle of wandering into them and upsetting the Korean or the ladies who prefer their company to white boys.
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Hairy Wonder
10-12-08, 12:11
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PL,
This sounds like what is happening there in AC. The Koreans, much like the rest of us, have also discovered that their money will buy much more in the Philippines than it can buy in their home country. Therefore, they have a big Philippines tourism push going here. Most of them don't know how to speak English or Tagalog. But they don't care. Most things in the Philippines, to include the pussy, are at bargain basement prices compared to Korea. I don't think you will see an end to this invasion anytime soon.
IMHO
HWHow is this limited to Koreans?
Do Japanese, Mainlanders, or Hong Kongers not go to AC?
I'd say that Mainlanders have replaced all Asian countries in terms of spending excessively.
Pussy Luver
10-12-08, 17:55
How is this limited to Koreans?
Do Japanese, Mainlanders, or Hong Kongers not go to AC?
I'd say that Mainlanders have replaced all Asian countries in terms of spending excessively.I am not overly prejudiced about this Korean invasion of AC. I am just selfish when it comes to one of the nicest places that is still remaining on the plant for mongers like myself. I do not profess any of us are better than anyone else. I have heard about this Korean arrogance, (prejudice), but have only experienced a little of it. I always assumed I just ran into a few asshole Koreans. It never occurred to me that most of them are just as rude and xenophobic. Yet, the cultural differences we have posted about do exist. I have no problem with the Asians enjoying their own continent. I think there are more than enough women in AC for all of us. However, the Koreans, and to some extent the Japanese, have come into AC and their willingness to throw money around will eventually affect all our pocket books. They either do not understand the concept of costs effectiveness or they just don't care. This concerns me more than the perceived rudeness or prejudice I perceive from most of them. I know this is a stereotype, but it is my perception of them given my limited experience with their culture. For all I know, they think I am an asshole too.
I have met some Japanese in Manila and AC. They do not seem to be as stand offish. The language barrier is still there, but they smile, laugh, and appear somewhat friendlier to us white boys than the Koreans. I am not sure how the Asian men treat black people, but I assume it is worse for them than it is for a white boy like me.come to think of it, I do not think I have seen more than 20 black men in my entire 10 years of mongering in AC. Maybe they are there, I just do not see them. (Probably because I am busy looking at the women.)
Bottom line, AC is changing and I do not think it is for the better.
Bacon Ring
10-12-08, 19:50
I need some help getting out of the airport in Manila. My flight comes in at 9:55 from Tokyo on Tues and I strongly suspect my CB girl will be waiting at the airport to imprison me. I know now I should of never told her details of my arrival but its to late for that now. I'd like to see her again, but I want to have fun in AC as well. I didn't get to AC last time I was there and only went to Bora with her. I want to see this girl because she is so fine but I don't want to spend my whole time locked down with her. I can't seem to get out of this. I'm even afraid to go to L. A Caf area because she might hunt me down there. Works not to far from there in office. I think if I can get to AC without her seeing me outside the airport terminal I should be good. I'm thinking maybe some fake glasses with a big nose and a mustache? Any help would be appreciated. My flight leave tomorrow.
Fast Eddie 48
10-12-08, 23:43
How is this limited to Koreans?
Do Japanese, Mainlanders, or Hong Kongers not go to AC?
I'd say that Mainlanders have replaced all Asian countries in terms of spending excessively.Bruce
I think Korean like the Philippines because is cheap and there are many Koreans own business here.
Most Japanese like Thailand better, maybe because they hate the Jap here.
There are some Chinese business men in Manila, but not many from mainland or Hong Kong come here.
AC is not for everyone. It is so boring in the day time, there's nothing to do.
You can only go mongering at night, but it is a cheap place to spend a few days.
Fast eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
10-12-08, 23:54
So what, folks? Let them come! There are still more than enough bars in AC where non-Koreans are served properly! However, I never felt bothered by any of them!
Cheers!
HesekielsTo Hesekiel,
The South Korean enconomy is growing the last 15 yr and there are a lot of Koreans that have money to travel.
You see many tourists all over Asia and even Europe.
The Cheap Charlies go to AC to play, and the high rollers go to Macau and Hong Kong to mongering and gamble.
Mongering is expensive in Korea and Japan, so this is cheaper for them.
Yes, most girl in AC I talk to don't like the Koreans. They have bad manners and don't know how to respect a lady.
Fast eddie 48
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Marconista
10-13-08, 10:46
Perhaps you left already,,,
But I dont think it is a problem in arriving Manila and having her pick you up if you dont want her to.
Even though she might be in the airport, you will have to walk down through the tunnel to get to where the locals are waiting for family and friends arriving.
You can just take the hotel cars just outside of the arrival hall and never see anyone you dont want to.
I need some help getting out of the airport in Manila. My flight comes in at 9:55 from Tokyo on Tues and I strongly suspect my CB girl will be waiting at the airport to imprison me. I know now I should of never told her details of my arrival but its to late for that now. I'd like to see her again, but I want to have fun in AC as well. I didn't get to AC last time I was there and only went to Bora with her. I want to see this girl because she is so fine but I don't want to spend my whole time locked down with her. I can't seem to get out of this. I'm even afraid to go to L. A Caf area because she might hunt me down there. Works not to far from there in office. I think if I can get to AC without her seeing me outside the airport terminal I should be good. I'm thinking maybe some fake glasses with a big nose and a mustache? Any help would be appreciated. My flight leave tomorrow.
Hello,
After reading the various sources I still have a few questions:
Is it true that the girls in the gogo Bars in Angeles City are not fully nude like in Pattaya? To me it seems that the gogo Bars in Pattaya have the better show. Are most Philippine girls shaved?
Is there a possibility to get an oil massage like in Pattaya? What does it cost in Angeles?
Thanks for your answers.
Excellent post. You've obviously thought about it a bit.
Some people have been stereotyping a whole race of people based on a few AC experiences, or worse reading too much on the Internet.
I suggest people keep an open mind. I've been to about twenty countries (incl. Korea) and have met great people and a few aholes in each - just as i have here at ISG.
Sometimes a difference in culture means a entire difference in logic and even what is called "common sense".
A good example might be ISG. I like the exchanges here, but I share my hobby with very few male friends and no females. Hey, difference in culture...
Keep an open mind folks,
X
I am not overly prejudiced about this Korean invasion of AC. I am just selfish when it comes to one of the nicest places that is still remaining on the plant for mongers like myself. I do not profess any of us are better than anyone else. I have heard about this Korean arrogance, (prejudice), but have only experienced a little of it. I always assumed I just ran into a few asshole Koreans. It never occurred to me that most of them are just as rude and xenophobic. Yet, the cultural differences we have posted about do exist. I have no problem with the Asians enjoying their own continent. I think there are more than enough women in AC for all of us. However, the Koreans, and to some extent the Japanese, have come into AC and their willingness to throw money around will eventually affect all our pocket books. They either do not understand the concept of costs effectiveness or they just don't care. This concerns me more than the perceived rudeness or prejudice I perceive from most of them. I know this is a stereotype, but it is my perception of them given my limited experience with their culture. For all I know, they think I am an asshole too.
I have met some Japanese in Manila and AC. They do not seem to be as stand offish. The language barrier is still there, but they smile, laugh, and appear somewhat friendlier to us white boys than the Koreans. I am not sure how the Asian men treat black people, but I assume it is worse for them than it is for a white boy like me.come to think of it, I do not think I have seen more than 20 black men in my entire 10 years of mongering in AC. Maybe they are there, I just do not see them. (Probably because I am busy looking at the women.)
Bottom line, AC is changing and I do not think it is for the better.
Bold Focker
10-13-08, 18:38
If any of you are bored in the afternoon. Could you just nip into a travel agency in AC and ask if they can get a visa for Vietnam for a UK citizen, the cost and the length of time involved.
Can get one in Pattaya, but we will not have made a definate plan by the time we leave!
Pussy Luver
10-13-08, 20:36
Hello,
After reading the various sources I still have a few questions:
Is it true that the girls in the gogo Bars in Angeles City are not fully nude like in Pattaya? To me it seems that the gogo Bars in Pattaya have the better show. Are most Philippine girls shaved?
Is there a possibility to get an oil massage like in Pattaya? What does it cost in Angeles?
Thanks for your answers.I have not been to AC for about one year, but I have been there so many times that I can't remember when I started going there. So I can answer your question with some experience, albeit not recent. Things could have changed in a year, but I doubt it has changed significantly.
The girls in AC are not nude. The tend to wear specific outfits for different clubs. They are all clothed, but not much more than a bikini style bathing suit most of the time. Some of the GRO's even wear jeans at some of the smaller bars, and do they ever like nice in tight jeans. I almost prefer that look to the bikini look sometimes.
I have seen a lot of topless ladies at every bar. It does not take much to get their tops off. I have not seen it a lot when they are doing their group dancing thing on stage, but the private dancing in the corners, tables, or booths, provides topless action on occasion. I have even had the pleasure of attending a few "Sons of Bacchus" events where the doors get locked and all kinds of nudity and box chowing happens on stage and around the bar. This event usually travels from bar to bar if it is still happening. I have read a lot of posts about the police cracking down. Just ask any of the papa sans when you get there. If the event still happens, they can tell you when and where.
As for a shaved pussy, my experience is that most, but not all, shave their pussy bare. I have had a few with some hair, and a one or two with way to much growth. However, I think the norm is shaved, IMHO.
As for an oil massage, their are a few massage parlors in AC. I am not a massage type of guy, so I cannot say how good they are. My traveling buddy always gets a massage and sometimes he likes them and sometimes he says they were not very good. I guess it depends on what you like and how the good the masseuse is. For what its worth, he tells me ALL, 100%, of his massage parlor visits finish with a happy ending. I am assuming that is the norm in AC but you will have to get feedback from those mongers who frequent the parlors since I don't. I will say that if you bring oil with you, the bar girls will try to give you one. They are usually up for just about anything if you treat them well.
Rob Woodrow
10-14-08, 05:41
hey guys
i have my hotel in ac and plan to sit in pp for a couple weeks. i need a list of:
bars to hit (to drink at and play grab ass):
places to eat at:
places to phish at (for fl's):
a couple touriesty things to do:
not a big spender so help a fat guy out!!!
bars: 10 different people will give you 10 different responses. i'm no fan of the dollhouse group, but others love it. just check them all out!
eat: ac food is legendary...for being overpriced and horrible. kokomo's and margarita station are popular. heard a few good things about the italian place over lancelot (apuzzo's?) but haven't been.
freelancers: don't. just don't. one popular scam is for a fl to go back to your room, followed by the police 5 minutes later, who inform you that she is ****. stick with the licensed girls in the bars.
tourism: pretty limited. ac is rather specialized in the bar business, and outside the entertainment zone it's just a typical little philippines town. if you need a touristy getaway, arrange a pinatubo tour, or make a side trip to subic.
Hairy Wonder
10-14-08, 11:04
Although my previous reports have been negative in nature toward the Koreans, I must say that they can be good drinking (and possibly mongering) buddies. It has been my experience that a Korean man, if he likes you, will insist on paying for everything while you are out on the town. I have never had a Korean mongering buddy. But I have read many reports on the Korea board that state the Koreans paid for the night time activities as well as the booze.
Just a thought.
HW
Not all massages end in a "happy ending"!
I've been a regular customer of Body Bliss for years. It's a totally legit massage place and the girls are very well trained to give proper massages.
In Angeles I play a lot of tennis and my aging body ain't what it used to be, so sometimes I end up with a pretty sore shoulder. The girls there do wonders to loosen it up and relax the old muscles etc.
Some of the girls are very attractive, but all the ones I've met are "nice girls" and they would be pretty insulted if you treat them like bar girls.
You can have the massage either there or, for a bit extra, in your hotel room. If you're a first time customer, the manager may send two girls for security.
Amazingly the price is lower than the untrained girls in the small Fields massage shops. The poster below is right. "happy endings" are available in those small places, but the massage is typically not as good as body bliss.
The location is off Fields, in Theodore Street just before Norma's money change.
They now have a website: http: //bodyblissph.com/body-bliss-website-launch.html
As for an oil massage, their are a few massage parlors in AC. I am not a massage type of guy, so I cannot say how good they are. My traveling buddy always gets a massage and sometimes he likes them and sometimes he says they were not very good. I guess it depends on what you like and how the good the masseuse is. For what its worth, he tells me ALL, 100%, of his massage parlor visits finish with a happy ending. I am assuming that is the norm in AC but you will have to get feedback from those mongers who frequent the parlors since I don't. I will say that if you bring oil with you, the bar girls will try to give you one. They are usually up for just about anything if you treat them well.
Are there any nice beaches close to Angeles which can be reached by bus?
I have heart of Subic Bay, are there any alternatives?
Captain America
10-14-08, 21:03
HW, that's probably because the mongering activities that happen in korea is when the native hosts take out their european or american customers. That is SOP, but I've never had anybody offer to pay outside of that context.
i am not overly prejudiced about this korean invasion of ac. i am just selfish when it comes to one of the nicest places that is still remaining on the plant for mongers like myself. i do not profess any of us are better than anyone else. i have heard about this korean arrogance, (prejudice), but have only experienced a little of it. i always assumed i just ran into a few asshole koreans. it never occurred to me that most of them are just as rude and xenophobic. yet, the cultural differences we have posted about do exist. i have no problem with the asians enjoying their own continent. i think there are more than enough women in ac for all of us. however, the koreans, and to some extent the japanese, have come into ac and their willingness to throw money around will eventually affect all our pocket books. they either do not understand the concept of costs effectiveness or they just don't care. this concerns me more than the perceived rudeness or prejudice i perceive from most of them. i know this is a stereotype, but it is my perception of them given my limited experience with their culture. for all i know, they think i am an asshole too.
i have met some japanese in manila and ac. they do not seem to be as stand offish. the language barrier is still there, but they smile, laugh, and appear somewhat friendlier to us white boys than the koreans. i am not sure how the asian men treat black people, but i assume it is worse for them than it is for a white boy like me.come to think of it, i do not think i have seen more than 20 black men in my entire 10 years of mongering in ac. maybe they are there, i just do not see them. (probably because i am busy looking at the women.)
bottom line, ac is changing and i do not think it is for the better.
agreed, only real problem with asian mongers are that they have deep pocket books, and are use to paying a lot for high paid *****s in their countries. the language barrier makes it hard to them and mamasan and girls just [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them like atm bandits. someone should set up isg board in japanese and korean for them, so everyone on the same board. we mongers should stick together, ok ok all the cool ones, all the a hole ones regardless of countries of origin you give the rest of us bad names. oh yeah asian mongers tend to be very generous when you become their friend. its part of the asian culture to pick up entire tabs.
Hairy Wonder
10-15-08, 12:32
HW, that's probably because the mongering activities that happen in korea is when the native hosts take out their european or american customers. That is SOP, but I've never had anybody offer to pay outside of that context.
You are correct, Capt. A. But I have seen it outside of the business context. I have lived here on and off for a total of about 10 years, covering the past 21+ years. I have been treated by friends, coworkers, and even sometimes by people I didn't even know. If you are friendly to them, they will reciprocate in kind. The language barrier, and diffences in the cultures are what makes things difficult.
HW
Luke Skywalker
10-16-08, 19:32
I am not overly prejudiced about this Korean invasion of AC. I am just selfish when it comes to one of the nicest places that is still remaining on the plant for mongers like myself. I do not profess any of us are better than anyone else. I have heard about this Korean arrogance, (prejudice), but have only experienced a little of it. I always assumed I just ran into a few asshole Koreans. It never occurred to me that most of them are just as rude and xenophobic. Yet, the cultural differences we have posted about do exist. I have no problem with the Asians enjoying their own continent. I think there are more than enough women in AC for all of us. However, the Koreans, and to some extent the Japanese, have come into AC and their willingness to throw money around will eventually affect all our pocket books. They either do not understand the concept of costs effectiveness or they just don't care. This concerns me more than the perceived rudeness or prejudice I perceive from most of them. I know this is a stereotype, but it is my perception of them given my limited experience with their culture. For all I know, they think I am an asshole too.
I have met some Japanese in Manila and AC. They do not seem to be as stand offish. The language barrier is still there, but they smile, laugh, and appear somewhat friendlier to us white boys than the Koreans. I am not sure how the Asian men treat black people, but I assume it is worse for them than it is for a white boy like me.come to think of it, I do not think I have seen more than 20 black men in my entire 10 years of mongering in AC. Maybe they are there, I just do not see them. (Probably because I am busy looking at the women.)
Bottom line, AC is changing and I do not think it is for the better.Pussy Luver is of course welcome to his own opinion: However, lets not bring racial stereotypes to the table, everyone is differnet and all here for the same reason as you. (even if they are a-holes). Your quote "the Koreans, and to some extent the Japanese, have come into AC and their willingness to throw money around will eventually affect all our pocket books" is possibly giving other new readers the wrong idea. The last time I checked (today) the barfine was the same for all, and if you wish to tip, you tip, and if not, you dont. So how they are throwing money around I do not know. Mamasans & dancers will always take advantage of a newbie or someone who seems to have money to burn, (regardless of race) but I dont think this is going to mean that "white boys like yourself" (your quote) are going to pay more in the longrun. Prices go up as inflation does. If we were discussing Thailand, you may well have a point.
This forum is to help mongerers know the score before they arrive, so they dont get taken advantage of. There are plenty of ladies to go round.
Well thats my 10cents.
So lets get back to discussing mongering in its purists form!
Now I gotta get back to the drunken sleeping Atlantis wench on my bed!
Peace.
Professional
10-17-08, 06:58
Here's my two cents I may not be to popular with my opinion but it is still there money (Koreans or any other race) they can spend it anyway they like and if you do not like it maybe Philippines is not the place you.
Giving an example if someone offers you 100, 000 usa dollars for your honda would you sell it to them? I think yes, will it raise the price of hondas, maybe but it is not your call if you don't like it don't buy a honda. As for ruining the market it is not ruining the market if you look at it from the bar girls stand point. Who are we to say you can not pay more or give bigger tip?
As for there attitude's I know they have a temper but other than that I find them very friendly. Germans actually give me more problem than koreans but that may be just the individuals I have met. I also think it is just part of there culture (the koreans).
Sorry just my two cents.
1. Did anyone ever send his longtime-Girl for a medical check to a doctor in Angeles?
I did this last year in Pattaya for about 20 US-$ a doctor made within 1 day HIV-Test and Check for Gonorrhea, Syphilis and so on.
Is something like this possible in Angeles?
2. are the SOB-Parties still present? Somewhere I read from a similar event from another bar group but forgot the name (something like dogs-Party)
3. I intend to proceed to Boracay with a new-found Girlfriend for one week - or is in Boracay enough material? How much charge girls in Boracay?
SylviaSensei
10-17-08, 23:19
Hey guys
I have my hotel in AC and plan to sit in PP for a couple weeks. I need a list of:
Bars to hit (to drink at and play grab ass):
places to eat at:
Places to Phish at (for FL's):
A couple touriesty things to do:
Not a big spender so help a fat guy out!!!if your thinking bout taking FL check out harry the horse's column (google it)
About all the scams involving FL in recent times. A must read for anyone considering his 1st trip there.
1. Did anyone ever send his longtime-Girl for a medical check to a doctor in Angeles?
I did this last year in Pattaya for about 20 US-$ a doctor made within 1 day HIV-Test and Check for Gonorrhea, Syphilis and so on.
Is something like this possible in Angeles?
2. are the SOB-Parties still present? Somewhere I read from a similar event from another bar group but forgot the name (something like dogs-Party)
3. I intend to proceed to Boracay with a new-found Girlfriend for one week - or is in Boracay enough material? How much charge girls in Boracay?
Best to take a date to Boracay. I am sure you can fine P4P around there but it is not out in the open best to come prepared. Don't want to be around all that beauty without something to fuck :D
MisterMax808
10-18-08, 02:53
To Victorian or any other tennis players?
Can I get more information where I can play some light tennis when I am in AC?
Rubberyman
10-19-08, 04:07
Here's my two cents I may not be to popular with my opinion but it is still there money (Koreans or any other race) they can spend it anyway they like and if you do not like it maybe Philippines is not the place you.
Giving an example if someone offers you 100, 000 usa dollars for your honda would you sell it to them? I think yes, will it raise the price of hondas, maybe but it is not your call if you don't like it don't buy a honda. As for ruining the market it is not ruining the market if you look at it from the bar girls stand point. Who are we to say you can not pay more or give bigger tip?
As for there attitude's I know they have a temper but other than that I find them very friendly. Germans actually give me more problem than koreans but that may be just the individuals I have met. I also think it is just part of there culture (the koreans).
Sorry just my two cents.
I guess that from the POV of a provider, what you say makes sense. Obviously if you are selling a Honda and someone comes in offering to buy one at 100 times list price, you will sell.
However, this forum is for buyers of the service. So I ask, why would anyone in their right mind pay over the list price for a service? Why would you pay 100 times the list price for a Honda, when you get the same Honda as someone paying list price?
One of the things that consistently come out of these forums is that while YMMV, there is often no direct relationship between price paid, and service offered.
I have had PSE from gals from the Perimeter for no tip expected or given, and there are plenty of reports here of 'dancers' and 'spotlight girls' from places like Agasaya and Dollhouse charging three times as much, expecting a tip, but doing a runner, and having attitudes. (Note, I am not saying they all do, but merely pointing out that in this business, the amount paid is incidental to what you get).
So the first question I would ask, is why on earth any punter would pay more for service when report after report says that you don't necessarily get a better service for doing so. Marriage being a case in point. LOL!
Next point is that I have observed this in other areas. In Prague, you used to be able to get ladies in Wenceslas Sq for very reasonable prices. Punters came in and overpaid. Now you those prices at Wenceslas Square are through the roof, and the service is crap. HOWEVER, if you know where to go, you can get better service for half that. If you speak some Czech, you can get it for a third of that, and if you are Czech, for even less again.
My point being that if you overpay, then the providers will just increase the price you pay and give you exactly the same service as they give others for much much less.
In the Angeles City situation, it seems that what has developed is a several tier approach to prices. Koreans and Japanese pay the highest, Americans on the next tier, and non tipping cultures like Aussies pay lower, and no doubt Pinoys pay even less in clubs which don't let the rest of us in. (And I have some information from some of the ladies I have seen that often the Pinoys demand and get a better service than offered to the rest).
So the second question is why on earth would a punter like to contribute to a situation where he and his countrymen are paying multiples of what others are paying?
In addition to Mister Max below, I had a PM from someone else also interested in where to play tennis in AC.
(I) Del Rosario
I normally play here. If you're going along McArthur Hwy from Fields, it's to the right of the bridge to Angeles City, just past Robinsons Mall. Locals know that location from the swimming pool just near the courts.
Very easy to get to from Fields by jeepney or trike.
The courts aren't great (en tout cas/clay), but quite playable and the people there are very friendly. There's a bit of traffic noise from the bridge, but not too bad.
You can't book a court, which is a bit frustrating for someone used to the well organised system in Australia. The trick is to play in the morning or get there by about 3pm to avoid the busy period.
The cost is something like 300 pesos for ball boy, court and coach/playing partner (sorry I can't remember the exact price as normally I give the coach and ballboy a tip). That's about 1/8 the price of a coach in Australia!
I bring my own balls as the ones there are pretty bad. There used to be a good little sports shop in Robinsons next to the courts, but that's now closed so you have to buy them somewhere else (e. G. SM Mall). Tennis balls are pretty cheap in the Philippines.
The guy I normally play is Jun, but Robert and Billy are also good to play with.
Telephone numbers to organise a hit:
Jun - 0928 354 3460
Robert - 0909 373 2922
Billy - 0920 470 4442
(ii) El Rancho Tennis Court
Gate 2, Carmenville. Near Malabanias Bridge
Poker is the professional there. He's a very steady and decent guy. Good quality courts in a nice quiet area, but you have to have transport to get there. I used to go there by hiring a trike to wait for me, but it's a fair distance.
Great for guys who have a bike or car or live in AC.
(iii) Other places
I've heard of some indoor courts, perhaps in Angeles City, that could be worth checking out. And also I heard that Holiday Inn in Clark also has courts, but I haven't been there either. If anyone knows of good courts with a good coach and easy to get to, I'm interested.
I may be in AC again in Dec, Jan or Feb, so anyone around then who would like a hit, please PM me.
Cheers
To Victorian or any other tennis players?
Can I get more information where I can play some light tennis when I am in AC?
Darth Sushi
10-19-08, 14:10
To Victorian or any other tennis players?
Can I get more information where I can play some light tennis when I am in AC?
There are a couple of tennis courts on Clark near CDC on the parade grounds close to the Red Crab restaurant. I do not know the requirements to use the courts.
However, this forum is for buyers of the service. So I ask, why would anyone in their right mind pay over the list price for a service? Why would you pay 100 times the list price for a Honda, when you get the same Honda as someone paying list price?
Rubberyman is perfectly right, AC is a buyers market! Hence I am wondering why anybody should get upset with the Koreans as long as all of us get exactly the same service for 1,350 pesos? Or does anybody seriously believe that the girls give them a better bbbj (etc) than to Joe the plumber? I would, however, doubt it! :)
I do neither care that Koreans buy 20 or more drinks for their bargirls, nor if they tip for LT with 2,000 pesos. Nobody forces us to do the same, or am I wrong?
IMHO of course!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
MisterMax808
10-19-08, 16:55
In addition to Mister Max below, I had a PM from someone else also interested in where to play tennis in AC.
(I) Del Rosario
I normally play here. If you're going along McArthur Hwy from Fields, it's to the right of the bridge to Angeles City, just past Robinsons Mall. Locals know that location from the swimming pool just near the courts.
Very easy to get to from Fields by jeepney or trike.
The courts aren't great (en tout cas/clay), but quite playable and the people there are very friendly. There's a bit of traffic noise from the bridge, but not too bad.
You can't book a court, which is a bit frustrating for someone used to the well organised system in Australia. The trick is to play in the morning or get there by about 3pm to avoid the busy period.
The cost is something like 300 pesos for ball boy, court and coach/playing partner (sorry I can't remember the exact price as normally I give the coach and ballboy a tip). That's about 1/8 the price of a coach in Australia!
I bring my own balls as the ones there are pretty bad. There used to be a good little sports shop in Robinsons next to the courts, but that's now closed so you have to buy them somewhere else (e. G. SM Mall). Tennis balls are pretty cheap in the Philippines.
The guy I normally play is Jun, but Robert and Billy are also good to play with.
Telephone numbers to organise a hit:
Jun - 0928 354 3460
Robert - 0909 373 2922
Billy - 0920 470 4442
(ii) El Rancho Tennis Court
Gate 2, Carmenville. Near Malabanias Bridge
Poker is the professional there. He's a very steady and decent guy. Good quality courts in a nice quiet area, but you have to have transport to get there. I used to go there by hiring a trike to wait for me, but it's a fair distance.
Great for guys who have a bike or car or live in AC.
(iii) Other places
I've heard of some indoor courts, perhaps in Angeles City, that could be worth checking out. And also I heard that Holiday Inn in Clark also has courts, but I haven't been there either. If anyone knows of good courts with a good coach and easy to get to, I'm interested.
I may be in AC again in Dec, Jan or Feb, so anyone around then who would like a hit, please PM me.
CheersThank you Victorian. I shall try to explore that area. I have travelled to many places around asia playing at different tennis courts. In 2005 on my first visit to the Philippines, I did play at the El Rancho Tennis Courts with Poker. It was delightful, but out of the way. But ever since then, I have been returning to AC and not having the opportunity to play tennis again. If given a chance, I would like to play tennis whenever I revisit AC. Perhaps this will be the start.
Gratefully yours,
Max
LoveAsianWhores
10-19-08, 16:55
However, the Koreans, and to some extent the Japanese, have come into AC and their willingness to throw money around will eventually affect all our pocket books. They either do not understand the concept of costs effectiveness or they just don't care. Or maybe they just can and the girls desearve it. Lets not worry too much about our own costs. Sure, their actions drive up costs for all of us, but they also drive up the income for the girls. And the girls need it more than all of us. Maybe we should strive to be more like the Koreans, and not bemoan their generosity.
Professional
10-19-08, 21:43
I guess that from the POV of a provider, what you say makes sense. Obviously if you are selling a Honda and someone comes in offering to buy one at 100 times list price, you will sell.
However, this forum is for buyers of the service. So I ask, why would anyone in their right mind pay over the list price for a service? Why would you pay 100 times the list price for a Honda, when you get the same Honda as someone paying list price?
One of the things that consistently come out of these forums is that while YMMV, there is often no direct relationship between price paid, and service offered.
I have had PSE from gals from the Perimeter for no tip expected or given, and there are plenty of reports here of 'dancers' and 'spotlight girls' from places like Agasaya and Dollhouse charging three times as much, expecting a tip, but doing a runner, and having attitudes. (Note, I am not saying they all do, but merely pointing out that in this business, the amount paid is incidental to what you get).
So the first question I would ask, is why on earth any punter would pay more for service when report after report says that you don't necessarily get a better service for doing so. Marriage being a case in point. LOL!
Next point is that I have observed this in other areas. In Prague, you used to be able to get ladies in Wenceslas Sq for very reasonable prices. Punters came in and overpaid. Now you those prices at Wenceslas Square are through the roof, and the service is crap. HOWEVER, if you know where to go, you can get better service for half that. If you speak some Czech, you can get it for a third of that, and if you are Czech, for even less again.
My point being that if you overpay, then the providers will just increase the price you pay and give you exactly the same service as they give others for much much less.
In the Angeles City situation, it seems that what has developed is a several tier approach to prices. Koreans and Japanese pay the highest, Americans on the next tier, and non tipping cultures like Aussies pay lower, and no doubt Pinoys pay even less in clubs which don't let the rest of us in. (And I have some information from some of the ladies I have seen that often the Pinoys demand and get a better service than offered to the rest).
So the second question is why on earth would a punter like to contribute to a situation where he and his countrymen are paying multiples of what others are paying?Actually my point was that Koreans are there and paying these prices and if the girls don’t want to go with you because they can get a better price then it is there choice.
I understand your point I myself do not like to pay more than necessary. Remember the girls are out for themselves if can they get more money from a Korean or Japanese then it is there choice whether or not they want to pursue this. If your positions were reversed wouldn't you do the same?
I know I am looking at this from the bargirls prospective but what other prospective is there? We are in there country after all.
Thanks
As much as it annoys some of us, from memory, the issue is not about what punters are willing to pay, but the creation of "Korean only" establishments outside Korea, that are designed to exclude ("or discourage") everyone but Koreans. This smacks of apartheid.
BTW, anyone here been to or tried their luck at exclusive Juliana's?
All this talk about Koreans throwing their money around, we are forgeting one thing here. There are many girls in AC and not all of them like Koreans, some girls like black guys others do not. Other girls might like American but hate German guys.
There is someone for everyone who wishes to visit AC. So what if many of the pretty girls go for the money, their will always be girls who will go for me and not what she thinks I might tip her in the morning.
Girls have ideas maybe from good or bad experiences with men from different countries and this will have a bearing on if she will like you or not.
Once, in a stupid mood, I got a bit tired of the question the bar girl always asks: "where are you from".
I told her I was from America and then, for fun, a bit later I asked her what she thinks of Australian guys. She told me they were kuripot/cheap charlies and didn't like them. :)
When I tell girls I'm from Australia, they will always tell me how much they like Australians! :)
All this talk about Koreans throwing their money around, we are forgeting one thing here. There are many girls in AC and not all of them like Koreans, some girls like black guys others do not. Other girls might like American but hate German guys.
There is someone for everyone who wishes to visit AC. So what if many of the pretty girls go for the money, their will always be girls who will go for me and not what she thinks I might tip her in the morning.
Girls have ideas maybe from good or bad experiences with men from different countries and this will have a bearing on if she will like you or not.
Hairy Wonder
10-20-08, 12:01
Other girls might like American but hate German guys.
Damn! Now I have to decide which half of my geniology (is that spelled correctly?) I should tell them about. The German half, or the American half. :D
I know I contributed a lot to the negative comments about the Koreans. I appologize if this offended anyone, or gave anybody a bad impression of these guys that obviously have more money to burn (or more debt) than I do.
I agree with the guys here, that there are plenty of sexy young Filipinas to go around. Some will run to the guys that are willing to spend massive amounts of money. In fact, I expect that most of the girls would rather do that, than to waste their time with a kuripot, cheap charlie like myself. I do feel that the prices, or expectations for more money, will increase as the bar owners and the girls get wind of how much these guys are willing to spend. But hey, inflations affects everything. :(
As one of the initial contributors to this specific debate, I think that we have beat the dead horse enough. regardless of what any of us on this board think, guys are going to spend as much as they feel they need to spend in order to have the best time they can, regardless of what country they are from. I think we should let this topic die out, and return to discussing the LBFM's that are interested in pleasing those of us from other parts of the world. Just my opinion.
Happy Mongering!
HW
Primo Bolan
10-20-08, 14:24
Time Gentlemen!
I were in Angeles 2 years ago and stayed at Clarkton. The food was really good.
I met an american guy who was going to change hotel for some reson.
A couple of days later I met him in the hotelbar again and I asked him why his back at Clarkton and he told me he stayed some days at Wild Orchid
but he went back to Clarkton because the food was awful at WO.
This was then, how about now.? Who`s got the best hotelfood?
By the way I`ve been 3 times in Angeles at Swagman and Clarkton.I like them both but the new annex at Clakton makes it better.
Love Primo
HornyGeorge
10-20-08, 22:31
While they are very standoffish, and do not readily mix with non Korean punters, my biggest annoyance is the attempt to convert the former "Friendship" district into "Koreatown" (where non Koreans are told they are not welcome). Koreans are right up there with Japanese as World class xenophobes, and while in their own countries I can at least see an argument for creating locals only zones, to try and do it in a foreign country takes Chutzpah. Little doubt they are paying through the nose for the "privilege" of creating Koreatown on Pinoy soil but it still irks me (as many of the best girls WILL want to work there because of the 3 2 1 rule: 3000 Piso tip, 2 inch penis, 1 minute of boomboom.).
I also LOATHE the smoke they cause in bars and restaurants, but probably no worse than Chinese, Pinoys or Brits for that matter. If the PI would just start enforcing the EXISTING law against smoking in public (like the mayor does in Davao) all would be cool.
In their own country they.
btw, anyone here been to or tried their luck at exclusive juliana's?
i have never heard of juliana's, but i did barfine a girl from nasty duck once. she said she used to work in a korean bar, but she said she was not tall or pretty enough compared to the other girls. maybe she was just bullshiting me, i wasn't complaining about the way she looked.
btw, anyone here been to or tried their luck at exclusive juliana's?
this is what i found on google:
juliana theater lounge: located on 1st avenue across astral park from fields avenue. you should take a trike to go here. "the most overlooked establishment among the foreigners. it offers top level staff, management and hostesses. the classiest women in a.c. are definitely in juliana! everyone is welcome, but bring some money, they'll make you sign for everything you purchase. the food is great, the doors open at 8 p.m. offering karaoke for guests until 9:30 p.m. where live music takes place (usually the top three bands in the area). at 11 p.m during the weekdays you'll see a 7 person super juliana model fashion show and 10-12 person modern dance show. the dance shows are well rehearsed and worth the time to stay and enjoy. girls (juliana staff members) drinks are p250 each. you can choose who you want sitting beside you, although you are greeted by two hostesses from the start, be insistent on who you want to sit next to you, if any. over the past five years, i have brought my friends, dentist, wife, and business associates with me and they seem to remember all of their names over the years. i average paying around p2,000 with a few guests for a few hours, the most i've spent is p4,000 with 5 guests for 3 hours. it's well worth the trip, at least one of the nights you're there. if i enjoy the company and conversation of the hostesses, i'll tip them p500/ea as i leave. the entire staff is truly professional."
not sure how current.
slim
Why eat hotel food when you can get great monkey meat at the street barbeques?
Time Gentlemen!
I were in Angeles 2 years ago and stayed at Clarkton. The food was really good.
I met an american guy who was going to change hotel for some reson.
A couple of days later I met him in the hotelbar again and I asked him why his back at Clarkton and he told me he stayed some days at Wild Orchid
but he went back to Clarkton because the food was awful at WO.
This was then, how about now.? Who`s got the best hotelfood?
By the way I`ve been 3 times in Angeles at Swagman and Clarkton.I like them both but the new annex at Clakton makes it better.
Love Primo
This is what I found on Google:
Juliana Theater Lounge: Located on 1st Avenue across Astral Park from Fields Avenue. You should take a trike to go here. "The most overlooked establishment among the foreigners. It offers top level staff, management and hostesses. The classiest women in A.C. are definitely in Juliana! Everyone is welcome, but bring some money, they'll make you sign for everything you purchase. The food is great, the doors open at 8 p.m. offering karaoke for guests until 9:30 p.m. where live music takes place (usually the top three bands in the area). At 11 p.m during the weekdays you'll see a 7 person super Juliana model fashion show and 10-12 person modern dance show. The dance shows are well rehearsed and worth the time to stay and enjoy. Girls (Juliana staff members) drinks are P250 each. You can choose who you want sitting beside you, although you are greeted by two hostesses from the start, be insistent on who you want to sit next to you, if any. Over the past five years, I have brought my friends, dentist, wife, and business associates with me and they seem to remember all of their names over the years. I average paying around P2,000 with a few guests for a few hours, the most I've spent is P4,000 with 5 guests for 3 hours. It's well worth the trip, at least one of the nights you're there. If I enjoy the company and conversation of the hostesses, I'll tip them P500/ea as I leave. The entire staff is truly professional."
Not sure how current.
SlimIs there any chance you can bar fine the hostesses or dancers, or may be get their contact details to me them outside the bar later. Or is Julianna's just for looking?
I never heard of Juliana's. There's got to be more info on this place.
Still Skinning Them Up!
Yella Man
Primo Bolan
10-21-08, 22:12
Why eat hotel food when you can get great monkey meat at the street barbeques?Eh, yeah.
Why eat hotel food when you can get great monkey meat at the street barbeques?
We used to call it "dog on a log".
Slim
P.S. ISGers, Its not always necessary to quote the WHOLE comment, just the part you are replying to. May save a little bandwidth and get more messages on a page.
Hi to all,
Julianas KTV is near Sm clark and IM pretty sure you can date and barfine gurls who work there. I heard Pink Ladys have 2000p barfine , its near friendship. I might give it a try when Im back in AC again. I know this number from gurls I f.. or befriended with when in AC, they say if they like the customer they will go for the barfine, either this or the guy is a local (like me) or they see some other advantages. YOu will never know whats inside their little heads and if they click.
On the other hand why pay more for a service if you get it cheaper elsewhere. Rule number one is, if the girl doesnt want to go with you , dont waste money or time or both to persue her, she might have a regular bf, or some sugardaddy or have her own preferences. So dont push it, AC is a big place and if unlucky in one place you might be very lucky in the next spot.
About korean monger I guess its all said here. I dont care bout them, only if they stand in my way. LOL.I can get the same girls they can get and if they like me, they sneak out before or after work, cause Im on the spot and most of them dont, which brings me to the next topic. Dont pay or send money when you leave the Phils.
Happy mongering
Blink
Thanks for the feedback on Juliana's.
I might try my luck next time I'm there. It's just that they have such a high proportion of good looking girls when they visited Lewis on its opening, PR advertising for Juliana's probably? On most bars I would only seriously consider 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20 girls. At Atlantis this ratio was a bit better. Some bars, I would not even consider poking anything there. I don't mind paying for premium looks. Atlantis was 3000 for the premium girls.
ReallyaNiceGuy
10-23-08, 17:05
If any of you are bored in the afternoon. Could you just nip into a travel agency in AC and ask if they can get a visa for Vietnam for a UK citizen, the cost and the length of time involved.
Can get one in Pattaya, but we will not have made a definate plan by the time we leave!
I am not in PI yet, will be on the first, but there is a Vietnam Consult in Manila. I plan on going there to get my Visa.
Please, if I can't get it there somebody tell me. Otherwise just stand in line and get it at the airport.
Mike
Bold Focker
10-24-08, 02:41
I also LOATHE the smoke they cause in bars and restaurants, but probably no worse than Chinese, Pinoys or Brits for that matter. If the PI would just start enforcing the EXISTING law against smoking in public (like the mayor does in Davao) all would be cool.
Whereas I am totally in agreement with your anti smoking views, I must disagree that Brits are a main contributor. Less than 20% of Brits smoke now, thanks to the UK strict Smoking Ban. Also, smoking is so expensive in the UK; so people that do smoke, generally have less funds to travel!
I always complain to the manager about Smokey bars, but nothing will change unless more people regularly complain and walk!
I have been to Davao, and the smoking ban is enforced which makes a beer so much more enjoyable. Real shame AC is not the same!
I will be heading back to AC on 13th november. does anyone know if they have any non-smoking restaurants in town now!
Guys, me just back from 5 days in Pattaya.....
About the Koreans in AC, seriously, who cares?
Sure, they behave a bit strange sometimes,
but I've had never any problems with them.
I think, me as Westerner and the Asians,
we have different targets, often I see Asians barfining girls I'd never even consider.
It's sometimes just because they have extremely white skin.
Or they have a face similar to a for me unknown Asian porn star.
Or whatever.
Pattaya... There are Thais, Europeans, Americans, Arabs, Russians, Japs and other Asians, lotsa Blackies,
we all had a great time and there are enough girls for all of us.
No problem to barfine a looker at all.
I think samesame, still not much of a difference in AC, right?
Just a few Koreans.
Have anyone considered direct flights into Clark
from Dubai, India, Shanghai and Russia or so?
That'll change AC more than we can imagine.
Live and let live!
Enjoy!
Wow. in Seoul the KOSPI-Index plunges more than 11% by now.
Wonder whether I'll still see some Korean "money-thrower" during my November visit in AC.
Cheers!
Bold Focker
10-24-08, 12:36
My view of the Koreans overpaying is purely showing off!
Only in the last 10-15 years has this country been in a position to travel, so when they do they need to prove something to the rest of the world.
As stated in the Pattaya thread. I personally do not think that a few overpay individuals will affect long term prices, might even help to bring prices down!
These girls go back to there province cash rich, they spread the word how easy it is to make money! Which in turn attracts more girls to the area, waiting for the big one?
Before you had 1000 girls to 400 tight arse western men.
Now you have you now have 1500 girls to 200 over payers + 400 tight arse western men! (These figures are only to make the point)
Primo Bolan
10-24-08, 16:40
I have tasted Kokomoz in Angeles and it was no good.
Dirty kitchen with slow service.
But I dont know how the rooms in the hotel are.
Location is perfect but it seems to be a little out of date.
PB
SirBoneman
10-24-08, 18:08
Wow. in Seoul the KOSPI-Index plunges more than 11% by now.
Wonder whether I'll still see some Korean "money-thrower" during my November visit in AC.
Cheers!Regardless of the stock market. It will not affect the Koreans or anyone else...when it comes down too the "fire down below." Not beleive...just ask Bob Segar. Pusyy will always sale too the higher bidder. Money will affect many things we do daily. Only thing that changes how much you spend on pussy...is call "vacation time." I rest my case. I will be in AC in Janurary. When in the Philippines, the only stock on my mind will be, putting out the fire with fire. lol.
I have tasted Kokomoz in Angeles and it was no good.
But I dont know how the rooms in the hotel are.
PB
The rooms are not worth the location. Very noisy, uncomfortable beds, and the hot water is hit or miss. I wouldn't recommend it personally.
Primo Bolan
10-25-08, 09:56
The rooms are not worth the location. Very noisy.I remember I took something to eat there and I looked inside the hotel and it seemed to be a noisy hotel, to noisy for me. I use to stay down the perimeter and last time 3 weeks at the same hotel. Im spoiled with quietness.
Primo
[QUOTE=Blink157]Hi to all,
Julianas KTV is near Sm clark and IM pretty sure you can date and barfine gurls who work there. I heard Pink Ladys have 2000p barfine
I'm wondering if the quality of the girls is that much better at Juliana kTV, and Pink Ladys vs what can be found at Blue Nile and the other clubs in AC? Are they stunners or is the lighting deceptive? Or is it just another place that makes most of its money from high waiter/waitress pressure to buy outrageously priced drinks? Should I go? Or should I avoid it like you would leprosy?
Still Skinning Them Up!
Yella Man
The rooms are not worth the location. Very noisy, uncomfortable beds, and the hot water is hit or miss. I wouldn't recommend it personally.Agree with the poster that the Kokomos motel should only be used in dire circumstances. I stayed there 4 nights one time until I could find a room at another hotel. If it was dirt cheap (like 800 p) then maybe OK but there are far better hotels for the price
One additional problem there (at least to me) is that girls can just come up and knock on your door as there is no security to stop them. Kind of a pain to be banging away on your wife for the night when the previous nights wife comes banging on your door for ten minutes looking for a place to stay for the night.
I will be heading back to AC on 13th november. does anyone know if they have any non-smoking restaurants in town now!
Not that I am aware of and I eat out a lot in AC
Mongering1
10-26-08, 09:04
I will be heading back to AC on 13th november. does anyone know if they have any non-smoking restaurants in town now!
Most the restaurants in the malls are non-smoking.
Originally Posted by Bold Focker
I will be heading back to AC on 13th november. does anyone know if they have any non-smoking restaurants in town now!
You can eat a chicken outside close to the cheepney station, there you have only smoking jeepneys
Luke Skywalker
10-27-08, 09:40
Agree with the poster that the Kokomos motel should only be used in dire circumstances. I stayed there 4 nights one time until I could find a room at another hotel. If it was dirt cheap (like 800 p) then maybe OK but there are far better hotels for the price
One additional problem there (at least to me) is that girls can just come up and knock on your door as there is no security to stop them. Kind of a pain to be banging away on your wife for the night when the previous nights wife comes banging on your door for ten minutes looking for a place to stay for the night.I 100% agree. In dire circumstances only stay at Kokomos. Overpriced rooms (1710pp poolside, 1510pp Inside), which have seen better days.
Before management changed, prices for food were reasonable, but for the quality (very hit and miss) it is now no longer a bargain.
Food service is painfully slow too.
KyCuriosity
10-27-08, 21:33
Hello, everyone,
I was hoping to get just a couple questions answered here. I plan on visiting angeles city in the middle of February. How is the selection on fields ave during that time? I have thought about Orchid Inn that's in the middle of the action (on the map anyways). I've read about other hotels, but any news on this one in particular? Also, I see the barfine prices for the higher end shorttimes and other unusual payments, but what is the average barfine for an average girl there for overnight? I'm sorry if you have already covered this, but I've read over several pages so I wouldn't have to ask, but I can't find this current information anywhere.
I plan on staying in lewisgrand for a few nights with a girl I met off FH, but the rest of my vacation will be spent enjoying the local entertainment.
Any suggestions that may be relevant to my questions would be greatly appreciated.
I have enjoyed most of your conversations on here and especially the post of pictures in the photo gallery.
Lastly, I see reports of people "picking up" non-professionals at SM Mall and similar places, is that unusual or commonplace? Also is SM Mall close to field ave?
Thank you in advance for any information you would be willing to share, and of course, once I take my vacation I would be happy to share any info I have gained or pictures as well, but that's not until February. Jay
P.S. Oh yeah, one last question, how is the shopping there? Good clothes cheap to buy?
Anyone know what AC is like over Christmas? Are the bars / go gos open? Or is it a ghost town.
Does anyone know flight price range or places to look for cheap seats?
Looking for Nov travels.
Thanks
anyone know what ac is like over christmas? are the bars / go gos open? or is it a ghost town.
same business as usual. some girls go home for christmas, but still plenty available. all bars are open, some maybe closed on 25th only.
no ghost town at all.
will be there also for my xmas pilgrimage. :d
cheers!
Hi,
Go to Philippine Airlines site, click fares and click fares and promos, then special promos.
Good fares to Indonesia.
I went last year this time from Manila to Jakarta via Singapore.
Have fun
Does anyone know flight price range or places to look for cheap seats?
Looking for Nov travels.
Thanks
anyone know what ac is like over christmas? are the bars / go gos open? or is it a ghost town.some bars will be closed. most will be open (exterior lights may be off) and the girls may only be in their street clothes. you will have no trouble finding a friend for the night.
Fast Eddie 48
10-29-08, 00:05
Hi,
Go to Philippine Airlines site, click fares and click fares and promos, then special promos.
Good fares to Indonesia.
I went last year this time from Manila to Jakarta via Singapore.
Have funWeyco,
PAL or Garuda are both national airlines that will have the most flights to Jarkata direct.
I paid around 3200 peso 4 years ago with Garuda, one way.
I'm not sure if any discount airline files this route.
Fast eddie 48
Hello, everyone,
I was hoping to get just a couple questions answered here. I plan on visiting angeles city in the middle of February. How is the selection on fields ave during that time? I have thought about Orchid Inn that's in the middle of the action (on the map anyways). I've read about other hotels, but any news on this one in particular? Also, I see the barfine prices for the higher end shorttimes and other unusual payments, but what is the average barfine for an average girl there for overnight? I'm sorry if you have already covered this, but I've read over several pages so I wouldn't have to ask, but I can't find this current information anywhere.
I plan on staying in lewisgrand for a few nights with a girl I met off FH, but the rest of my vacation will be spent enjoying the local entertainment.
Any suggestions that may be relevant to my questions would be greatly appreciated.
I have enjoyed most of your conversations on here and especially the post of pictures in the photo gallery.
Lastly, I see reports of people "picking up" non-professionals at SM Mall and similar places, is that unusual or commonplace? Also is SM Mall close to field ave?
Thank you in advance for any information you would be willing to share, and of course, once I take my vacation I would be happy to share any info I have gained or pictures as well, but that's not until February. Jay
P.S. Oh yeah, one last question, how is the shopping there? Good clothes cheap to buy?'Average' barfine price will be around 1350 p plus a small tip (200-500p) to the girl the next morning if she so chooses.
Lewis Grand is nice. It is a bit of a hike to Lower Fields (maybe 15 minutes), but the girls love it.
Picking up at SM can happen, but you are better off sticking with bargirls. Less drama, bs, and a much much lower risk of scams. SM is about a 10 minute walk from Lower Fields-maybe 25 minutes from your hotel.
You can get whatever you want at SM from a shopping standpoint. If you want cheap knockoffs which are actually of decent quality go to Nipo Mall. It will be about a 150 p trike ride from Lewis Grand. You can pick up some fake Lacoste or Polo shorts for maybe $5.
Weyco,
PAL or Garuda are both national airlines that will have the most flights to Jarkata direct.
I paid around 3200 peso 4 years ago with Garuda, one way.
I'm not sure if any discount airline files this route.
Fast eddie 48
AirAsia fly to both Jarkata and Bali from KL, but you would have to stay in KL overnight to catch the flight to Clark.
Does anyone know flight price range or places to look for cheap seats?
Looking for Nov travels.
Thanks
http://www.cebupacificair.com/
http://www.airasia.com/
Will answer your questions. They provide great discounts very often. Plan ahead and enjoy their low prices. AirAsia will allow only 15kg for free.
Welcome to the ISG.
Whats the best Philippines city for mongering? Looking for best quality and a fun time. I've been to Thailand over a dozen times but a PI virgin. I tend to go for go-go's in BKK because I find the best quality and I finesse the attitude. Also do Phuket over Pattaya because the quality of the town. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Blackangst
11-05-08, 07:35
Whats the best Philippines city for mongering? Looking for best quality and a fun time. I've been to Thailand over a dozen times but a PI virgin. I tend to go for go-go's in BKK because I find the best quality and I finesse the attitude. Also do Phuket over Pattaya because the quality of the town. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
For "go-go's" and a no brainer anyone will get laid town its AC. If you want QUALITY, stay in Manila. More work, but the reward is commensurate.
Looking for best quality......
In that case Manila.
Cheers!
HornyGeorge
11-06-08, 22:17
If you want the best lookers and cost is no object, yes MM offers the most high end choices but Cebu City's ARENA is comparable to the most Hi end places in Manila (and is in a MUCH nicer city). Most "fun" is certainly Angeles, but if you avoid Pattaya for "nicer" places you won't like Angeles or Manila. Sounds like BKK is the best place for you really Mr. Morton.
RasSpewtin
11-07-08, 06:32
If not already reported here, I would like to point out that Tiger has cancelled all flights from Macau to Clark. I find this unfortunate, as their airfare was a really good deal.
Well, the small good news is that Cebu Pacific now has some really cheap fares from Macau to Clark, but good luck in booking with them if you are not already in the Philippines. I tried booking online twice today, and both times my credit card was declined.
I then called their Manila office and tried to book by phone, with more bad news. I was told that all credit cards other than domestic Philippine credit cards are declined online (anyone here have RECENT experience to the contrary?). Not only that, but some for some ridiculous reason they were unable to verify any credit information on the phone, unless of course you had a Philippine credit card. They could book the flight for me, but I would then need to visit their local ticket and pay for it within 24 hours.
Problem is that there is no local ticket office where I live. Thus I find them to be an incredible hassle to book with. They hinted that future credit card transactions might be possible on the phone after I had already established some history by making a first booking at a local ticket office, but I think that they were just hanging a bullshit carrot in front of my nose.
Pardon the bitching and moaning, but looks like I will need to cancel an upcoming planned trip to AC as a result.
Raz
Fastpiston
11-07-08, 07:25
If not already reported here, I would like to point out that Tiger has cancelled all flights from Macau to Clark. I find this unfortunate, as their airfare was a really good deal.
Well, the small good news is that Cebu Pacific now has some really cheap fares from Macau to Clark, but good luck in booking with them if you are not already in the Philippines. I tried booking online twice today, and both times my credit card was declined.
I then called their Manila office and tried to book by phone, with more bad news. I was told that all credit cards other than domestic Philippine credit cards are declined online (anyone here have RECENT experience to the contrary?). Not only that, but some for some ridiculous reason they were unable to verify any credit information on the phone, unless of course you had a Philippine credit card. They could book the flight for me, but I would then need to visit their local ticket and pay for it within 24 hours.
Problem is that there is no local ticket office where I live. Thus I find them to be an incredible hassle to book with. They hinted that future credit card transactions might be possible on the phone after I had already established some history by making a first booking at a local ticket office, but I think that they were just hanging a bullshit carrot in front of my nose.
Pardon the bitching and moaning, but looks like I will need to cancel an upcoming planned trip to AC as a result.
Raz
This has been a real problem for holders of non Philippine banks credit cards. I understand same holds with Philippine Airlines. Last time I had this problem, I called the Cebu Pacific call center to book and they said I would need to fax them the front of the card and the ID page of my passport. I did this and they confirmed the purchase within 24 hours. The problem with doing this is security. The only way out I see otherwise is to use a travel agent. Also be warned about trying to get a refund from Cebu Pacific. On a HKG to MNL ticket, the official refund time is 90 days. After 240 days I am still waiting after pursuing many times. Bottom line: AVOID CEBU PACIFIC AND PHILIPPINE AIRLINES.
Fast Eddie 48
11-07-08, 08:09
If not already reported here, I would like to point out that Tiger has cancelled all flights from Macau to Clark. I find this unfortunate, as their airfare was a really good deal.
Well, the small good news is that Cebu Pacific now has some really cheap fares from Macau to Clark, but good luck in booking with them if you are not already in the Philippines. I tried booking online twice today, and both times my credit card was declined.
I then called their Manila office and tried to book by phone, with more bad news. I was told that all credit cards other than domestic Philippine credit cards are declined online (anyone here have RECENT experience to the contrary?). Not only that, but some for some ridiculous reason they were unable to verify any credit information on the phone, unless of course you had a Philippine credit card. They could book the flight for me, but I would then need to visit their local ticket and pay for it within 24 hours.
Problem is that there is no local ticket office where I live. Thus I find them to be an incredible hassle to book with. They hinted that future credit card transactions might be possible on the phone after I had already established some history by making a first booking at a local ticket office, but I think that they were just hanging a bullshit carrot in front of my nose.
Pardon the bitching and moaning, but looks like I will need to cancel an upcoming planned trip to AC as a result.
RazRaz,
It is too bad that tiger cancel this route.
I only paid around 110 usd from a travel agent in Macau back on Sep.
I just check Cebu Pacific online got a fare of 1300 MOP (that is 200 USD).
Not a good deal at all, and it goes to Manila, not Clark.
I have flown Cebu from Manila to Cebu 2 yrs ago.
It is a good clean airline with good service, but many ISg members have problem with credit card booking online.
Fast eddie 48
Bottom line: AVOID CEBU PACIFIC AND PHILIPPINE AIRLINES.
What other choices do we have flying domestically?
HornyGeorge
11-07-08, 23:38
Actually you CAN use a foreign CC on PAL's site (but call your CC issuer first to let them know). NEVER been able to do it on CP but never had a problem using the call center and giving my CC info over the phone.
There are not many other options within the PI. Asianspirit.com will take your credit card but number of destinations served is small, ditto SEair.com
There is a new domestic carrier I just learned about last trip, www.zestair.com.ph is the link I think, but I have not yet tried them.
What other choices do we have flying domestically?I must comment on the problems of credit card bookings with cebu pacific. I use them all the time. Good airline, good prices. I use a citibank credit card issued by the Australian branch & have no problem. I use credit cards issued by Philippine banks & have no problems. Both my other Australian issued credit cards are rejected. So the moral of the story is don't blame cebu pacific. It is YOUR card issuing bank that is the problem.
AV
What other choices do we have flying domestically?
I just booked Manila - Cebu with PAL on the web using my Bank Of America Visa card no problem.
Was unable to use AMEX or MC
//Eric
This post should probably go in another thread but since CP has expansion plans that include Clark, I'll comment here.
The ongoing credit card problems have not effected me since I'm able to book online with my American issued Mastercard; I guess I'm one of the lucky few.
The prices and service of CP were wonderful at one time but they have been going downhill. At one time I had high regard for them but not anymore. Here are a few instances in the past year:
Last year I was going to fly from Cebu to Clark when we were notified that the flight was canceled for no apparent reason. (The real reason was that there were only about 25 passengers, a cost-cutting move) They flew us to Manila then bused us to Clark, taking four times longer.
Another time my flight out of Cebu was delayed enough that I missed my international connection in Manila. I did not miss the flight but the cut-off time to check in thus they gave my seat away. Nowadays, I always spend a night in Manila and fly out the next day.
Back in May of this year I flew from Cebu to HKG with a stop in MNL just a few days before CP moved into their new terminal. They checked my bag all the way through to HKG but it never arrived along with a few others. I'm still fighting them over this going so far as to check two warehouses in Manila for my lost luggage. Their compensation for lost luggage is measly and there is no doubt in my mind that my bag was stolen.
Professional
11-08-08, 17:17
I called my credit card companies (citibank, chase, capitalone) why it was declined they all said the same thing "there is no record of us declining anything it must have came from CP".
I have no balance on my cards (I pay off every month) and have excellent credit with very high limits. I tried my business cards and my personal cards all declined (tried 10 different cards).
One of my calls to my credit card company just so happened to be a call center in Philippines the customer service person told me this happens alot with CP and it is not the credit card it is CP.
Sleepy Floyd
11-10-08, 08:36
Actually you CAN use a foreign CC on PAL's site (but call your CC issuer first to let them know). NEVER been able to do it on CP but never had a problem using the call center and giving my CC info over the phone.
There are not many other options within the PI. Asianspirit.com will take your credit card but number of destinations served is small, ditto SEair.com
There is a new domestic carrier I just learned about last trip, www.zestair.com.ph is the link I think, but I have not yet tried them.Zest Air is not really new, its just the reincarnation of Asian Spirit. I would advise against using them unless you have no other option whatsoever. They are even more unreliable than Cebu Pacific.
Primo Bolan
11-11-08, 01:15
This has been a real problem for holders of non Philippine banks credit cards. I understand same holds with Philippine Airlines.time .Bottom line: AVOID CEBU PACIFIC AND PHILIPPINE AIRLINES.Living in north of europe, do you think it is a problem to book an online ticket from BKK to Manila, with a Visa card?
PB
Hi, guys,
Flying from BKK to Clark on Thursday, Cebu Pacific. After trying about 6 times with two (valid, US) credit cards to book on their site, and enduring a very frustrating Skype call to the CP call center, I decided to call their agent in BKK. Not only did I get the tickets right away, I also wound up saving about 4,000 THB over what I would have paid on the website, which was surprising to say the least. Definitely call the local agent listed on the CP website and see what they can do for you.
Redfield10
11-11-08, 02:34
Despite all I read to the contrary, it's not the Credit Card company that is at fault with regard to the card not being accepted. It has to do with the airlines' web site secure server or whatever. I have almost all of mine rejected from PAL and I give them a piece of my mind every time!
Hi, guys,
Flying from BKK to Clark on Thursday, Cebu Pacific. After trying about 6 times with two (valid, US) credit cards to book on their site, and enduring a very frustrating Skype call to the CP call center, I decided to call their agent in BKK. Not only did I get the tickets right away, I also wound up saving about 4,000 THB over what I would have paid on the website, which was surprising to say the least. Definitely call the local agent listed on the CP website and see what they can do for you.
It's been about 7 years since my last visit to Angeles (although I have been to the PI many times), and last time I was there I stayed at the Sunset Garden, which I thought was pretty much OK. How is it nowadays? If anyone has thoughts about a better option- a like a quieter place, which usually means away from the action a bit- I'd be happy to read about it. Also, what is the best way to get from the airport to town?
Amused at the comments about Koreans. I'm dismayed at suggestions that Korean men are taking over the place- my experiences with Korean males (the women are a different story- gorgeous and whacky, the way I like 'em) have been almost uniformly bad. I generally find them bellicose when they aren't being standoffish; xenophobic like the Japanese but without the civility, loud like the Chinese but with the gregariousness. I do love the food, though, so one upside might be good Korean BBQ joints in Angeles like the ones in Manila- any recommendations? By the way, I recall reading in the Cebu paper about Philippine anger at Korean behavior in the PI- starting fights, treating the locals like dirt, beating workers in their factories. It isn't just Westerners who object to the way Koreans tend to act.
Despite all I read to the contrary, it's not the Credit Card company that is at fault with regard to the card not being accepted. It has to do with the airlines' web site secure server or whatever. I have almost all of mine rejected from PAL and I give them a piece of my mind every time!Just to be precise, it's the financial services processing company that the website is partnered with. Generally websites don't run their own credit card processing, they connect to a 3rd party.
That said, I have 6 different credit and debit cards, labeled mastercard and visa, and all were rejected by Cebu Pacific's website when tried on April 2008. These include american and thai debit cards, and american credit cards.
Phillipine Airlines had the same problem. With one exception. They accepted a debit card from an obscure credit union I'm a member of.
In both cases, PA and CP stated that their websites (the financial processor they use) require card-issuing-banks to be a member of the "SecureCode" program. I'm not sure who runs the program, but very few US cards/banks enroll in it. My credit union was the exception. Even still, CP refused the card at the time.
As has been stated, this refusal occurs prior to any attempt at authorizing the financial transaction on the card. Probably at whatever control servers are run by the SecureCode program. Note that SecureCode is not the same as the 3 digit code on the back of your card. It's a separate password you have to define as part of the program.
As the final point to the story, after hassling with PA and CP for WEEKS trying to get this crap sorted out, I neglected to travel with my obscure credit union debit card. I was thus unable to use the PA ticket I had struggled for, and had to purchase a new ticket (with a standard american visa card, no issues) at the PA office in Cebu. Refund of the online-purchased ticket took 2 months.
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-12-08, 09:20
Angeles – My first visit
WOW! That’s what I have to say about this city. In all my travels I’ve never seen anything like this city. Bar after bar after bar! From high-class places down to little dump places on the side streets, but they all have some beautiful girls.
Booked 3 days at the Pacific Breeze and liked Angeles so much decided to stay another day but they were booked so they got me a room at Swiss Chalet. The Pacific Breeze was a great place to stay, close to the action, clean, safe, pool, restaurant, friendly staff and a fair price. I would recommend it. The Swiss Chalet was a step down, OK maybe 2 steps down but it was OK though.
If you need the internet in your room The Swiss Chalet was great, fast and free while at the Pacific Breeze it was 60 P an hour and as slow as dial-up. I tried some Internet cafes and found them to be slow too.
Another thing about the Pacific Breeze Hotel, they don’t give free refills on the coffee in the restaurant. So if you’re a coffee drinker, like me, be prepaird to pay for every cup.
I know it’s been said before, but if you stay in Angeles there is nothing else to do here. I went to the mall a couple of times just to look around but didn’t do anything during the day but rest and eat recharging for that nights adventure.
Mike
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-12-08, 09:24
I got a kick out of checking all of the places out and sitting with the girls. “Hello Sir. Where you from?” Somebody should make a T-Shirt with that on it because you hear it everywhere here.
I would go in a place, walk and look around, not buying a drink, and if it felt right, nice vibe or some thing, I would stay for a while. Then if I felt a connection/attraction to a girl I would ask her to sit with me, not buying her a drink yet.
Here are some shots from Atlantis and the Doll House. 2 of the nicest ones I saw.
Mike
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-12-08, 09:28
I had a great time with all three girls I choose. I was usually back to the room with my choice for the night by about 10 PM. Standard operation in the room, she showered, I showered, in bed together for some warm-up, then doing the deed, rest/talk/she might nap for a while, do it again, sleep for the night, wake-up in the morning, have another round, she would shower and then leave. With the girl from Blue Nile, sorry I don’t remember her name, and Nina from Rhapsody we went and got a bite to eat after either the first or second round. I liked that.
The only thing that bothered me, and my experience in Angeles, was how do I say this, the girl’s ability to handle an American man with a little more length. They were all troopers and did what they could to accommodate me but it did change how I did them.
All were total GFE, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, 69 and several positions. I loved them all!
Good thing I had to leave because I could see how easy it would be to call this place home like the American guy I met at the mall, he came for a month stay and that was 3 and a half years ago. Now he is married and expecting his first child. Not that I’m looking to get married but he was happy here, and he said he still played once-in-a-while too.
Mike
HornyGeorge
11-12-08, 20:22
pacific breeze has never charged for internet use in your room to my knowledge (and stayed there last month). if you rent a laptop from them maybe, and to use the internet in the rooms by reception yes. and transfer rate usually is 100 kb/second, not t1 like speeds but pretty good for the pi and better than dial up. only problem with pb is its popularity.
sanook: for quiet the choice is oasis hotel up on perimeter road. about $65 including a good breakfast. best and least crowded pool in town, and an elegant restaurant (maranao grill) with a piano player, salad bar etc. very few mongers stay up there, more businessmen and well healed types. it is also the place to stay if you do not want all of ac to know you are in town and where you are staying. it really is an oasis.
about 5 minutes by jeepney to checkpoint but late at night you might be held hostage to the trike mafia wanting 70p to bring you home.
Pacific Breeze has never charged for internet use in your room to my knowledge (and stayed there last month). If you RENT a laptop from them maybe, and to use the internet in the rooms by reception yes.
Confirmed. Pacific Breeze in room internet is free, even if you rent a laptop from them. Laptop rental fee is 250 PHP per day.
I am Filipino-American and stay with family, so my perspective may be a bit different. I'm not going to be staying at a hotel and mongering, but I may drop by the casino, get left there to play some slots, and wander off for another definition of playing slots. My relatives who would be interested in such things are generally too poor or too young to know where to have fun, while the rest are female or too religious, so I must turn to this board for advice.
--I know there are short time hotels in the area. Any recommendations, or just leave it up to the girl?
--Do any of the bars on Fields seem to draw more native Filipinos than others?
--Can anyone recommend some good Korean restaurants in Angeles?
Fastpiston
11-14-08, 06:57
Just to be precise, it's the financial services processing company that the website is partnered with. Generally websites don't run their own credit card processing, they connect to a 3rd party.
That said, I have 6 different credit and debit cards, labeled mastercard and visa, and all were rejected by Cebu Pacific's website when tried on April 2008. These include american and thai debit cards, and american credit cards.
Phillipine Airlines had the same problem. With one exception. They accepted a debit card from an obscure credit union I'm a member of.
In both cases, PA and CP stated that their websites (the financial processor they use) require card-issuing-banks to be a member of the "SecureCode" program. I'm not sure who runs the program, but very few US cards/banks enroll in it. My credit union was the exception. Even still, CP refused the card at the time.
As has been stated, this refusal occurs prior to any attempt at authorizing the financial transaction on the card. Probably at whatever control servers are run by the SecureCode program. Note that SecureCode is not the same as the 3 digit code on the back of your card. It's a separate password you have to define as part of the program.
As the final point to the story, after hassling with PA and CP for WEEKS trying to get this crap sorted out, I neglected to travel with my obscure credit union debit card. I was thus unable to use the PA ticket I had struggled for, and had to purchase a new ticket (with a standard american visa card, no issues) at the PA office in Cebu. Refund of the online-purchased ticket took 2 months.
A recent comment that it is CP / PA (or their servicing agent) that rejects foreign credit cards is correct. The secure code you mentioned is called 'VeriSign', where an additional code is prompted for Internet purchases as an added security measure. This makes no difference whatsoever, even with a correct Verisign number, CP and PI still reject the transaction. Bottom line: CP and PI do not accept foreign credit cards on Internet - that it.
Now, the call center may help, or agencies may help, but you cannot do the transaction on internet using a foreign bank card, with or without a Verisign code (which is NOT the three number code on the back of the credit card). The airline call center requirements change daily, and probabily vary by the staff you talk to or the supervisor on duty. It is no good getting angry with them on the phone - understand you are dealing with people with very fragile education and intelligence.
Here are some shots from Atlantis and the Doll House.
You've hit them all....
To be honest I don't think so... :D
There are just too many bars for 4 days, right?
Stargate, Jollyfrog, Mirrors, Lost in Asia, Cheers, Tartz,
to name just a few, have you been there? ;)
Of course no offence, man!
Cheers!
Looking forward to my November journey to AC.
Bali early in the month was nice, Pattaya in October as well.
Lots of bumbum......
Lets see if AC can beat it again. :D
Cheers!
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I called my credit card companies (citibank, chase, capitalone) why it was declined they all said the same thing "there is no record of us declining anything it must have came from CP".
I have no balance on my cards (I pay off every month) and have excellent credit with very high limits. I tried my business cards and my personal cards all declined (tried 10 different cards).
One of my calls to my credit card company just so happened to be a call center in Philippines the customer service person told me this happens alot with CP and it is not the credit card it is CP. Unquote"
Hi guys, first post here.
I did my Cherry trip to the Phills last January. I couldn't use my Visa card to book with Cebupacificair. They wouldn't accept it even at their office at Davao airport so i had to go find an ATM and pay in cash.
I just booked a flight with CPA from Bangkok to Manila and Dipolog using my Citibank Visa card over the internet and it was accepted no problems. All my visa cards are issued in Australia.
Ingats
Having read the past few posts about credit caard problems, let me recount my experience.
I was also having problems with credit cards, both Visa and Mastercard, and I have 5 in total.
After many failed attempts, and few successful ones, I thought tht the problem may be with the credit card company.
So I went to a branch of one of th cards, and told the teller that I wanted to confirm the details on my card.
What I found astonished me. The company had made abbreviations for several of the entries, they had substituted upper case for lower case, they had my address wrong, the teller did not even know the correct name for the bank, she said the name is ANZ, which is commonly used, but the correct name is Australia and New Zealand Banking Company Limited. So I had her change a few details to get the facts correct. Then I wrote down off the screen all of the relevant data, character by character. And I use this.
Now, no problems, all of the cards work, all of the time. The problem is that when the credit agency compares the info that you put in with their records,there was always a mismatch, and the card was rejected.
try it yourselves.
G
Actually Ive successfully booked a PA ticket online i used my GE Moneybank Mastercard it worked like a charm and I live in Europe. But booking CP online that never works for me either and i tried 4 credit/debit cards both visa and mastercard.
A recent comment that it is CP / PA (or their servicing agent) that rejects foreign credit cards is correct. The secure code you mentioned is called 'VeriSign', where an additional code is prompted for Internet purchases as an added security measure. This makes no difference whatsoever, even with a correct Verisign number, CP and PI still reject the transaction. Bottom line: CP and PI do not accept foreign credit cards on Internet - that it.
Now, the call center may help, or agencies may help, but you cannot do the transaction on internet using a foreign bank card, with or without a Verisign code (which is NOT the three number code on the back of the credit card). The airline call center requirements change daily, and probabily vary by the staff you talk to or the supervisor on duty. It is no good getting angry with them on the phone - understand you are dealing with people with very fragile education and intelligence.
A recent comment that it is CP / PA (or their servicing agent) that rejects foreign credit cards is correct. The secure code you mentioned is called 'VeriSign', where an additional code is prompted for Internet purchases as an added security measure. This makes no difference whatsoever, even with a correct Verisign number, CP and PI still reject the transaction. Bottom line: CP and PI do not accept foreign credit cards on Internet - that it.
Sorry man, I & many others have foreign credit cards that DO get accepted routinely & regularly.
Now, the call center may help, or agencies may help, but you cannot do the transaction on internet using a foreign bank card, with or without a Verisign code (which is NOT the three number code on the back of the credit card). The airline call center requirements change daily, and probabily vary by the staff you talk to or the supervisor on duty. It is no good getting angry with them on the phone - understand you are dealing with people with very fragile education and intelligence.
The problem is the issuing banks & credit agencies not the airlines.
AV
HornyGeorge
11-14-08, 20:51
CP has told me that US and UK issued cards are not accepted online. Other foreign cards are accepted.
Member #4214
11-15-08, 01:47
Having read the past few posts about credit caard problems, let me recount my experience.
I was also having problems with credit cards, both Visa and Mastercard, and I have 5 in total.
After many failed attempts, and few successful ones, I thought tht the problem may be with the credit card company.
So I went to a branch of one of th cards, and told the teller that I wanted to confirm the details on my card.
What I found astonished me. The company had made abbreviations for several of the entries, they had substituted upper case for lower case, they had my address wrong, the teller did not even know the correct name for the bank, she said the name is ANZ, which is commonly used, but the correct name is Australia and New Zealand Banking Company Limited. So I had her change a few details to get the facts correct. Then I wrote down off the screen all of the relevant data, character by character. And I use this.
Now, no problems, all of the cards work, all of the time. The problem is that when the credit agency compares the info that you put in with their records,there was always a mismatch, and the card was rejected.
try it yourselves.
G
Normally a website or the relevant credit agency will run an algorithm to convert ANZ to the long-form name. Sounds like somehow the software/processing used by the website is weak or, not 'robust.' I think the technical term is 'crap.'
The new Newsletter is available at:
http://www.margarita-station.com/newsletters/nov08/
New security force now on duty in AC (photo).
Of particular interest trike fare regulations, 4 SCTEx interchanges 'still on track', and Aeronautics board okays more Clark flights.
Slim
Masked Avenge
11-15-08, 15:00
My friend and I just returned from 2 weeks in Thailand (Bangkok + Pattaya) and 1 week in AC. My first visit to Philippines. I was looking forward to visiting a new place. Here is a quick report on my experiences.
We stayed 2 nights at Clarkton Hotel (1500 pesos per night), 5 nights at America Hotel (1050 pesos per night). Both are good budget options. I found the bed at Clarkton a bit weird. Surrounded by tiles. It looked like it was a spa/jacuzzi with a board and mattress on top. I didn't do any "business" here, but it looked like it would be particularly uncomfortable. I am no giant (182cm tall) but found my feet stuck over the end of the mattress. Room was small but not too bad. America hotel room was much bigger and bed a bit more comfortable. Overall the room needed a makeover but was quite acceptable. Hotel is apparently haunted. More on that later.
First night arrived late, so went to Mirrors at the Clarkton. Not bad, some nice looking girls but no action. Found the synchronised dancing a bit strange.
Next day I got my pocket picked by a "lovely" "gentleman" outside SM Mall. I grabbed him and, after some "gentle persuasion" he returned my money. Met an Aussie guy who introduced my friend and I to America Hotel. He took us to a few nice places over the next few days. Names I remember are The Gentleman’s Club, Peanuts and Emotions. There were a few more, names elude me. Second night was fun, but again had no action. We met a couple of stunners at Gentleman’s club.
3rd night returned to Mirrors. My friend met a lovely lady he was keen on, and I met a nice one too. It was 1200 pesos for the bar fine. We took them for a bit of bar-hopping then back to the America for some much needed happy times. It all started out fine. Bit of playing, bit of a rub and tug, play with the growler, then. "I'm drunk. I sleep now. I go at 3. 30". Hmmmm. Can't press the issue too much, so, whatever.
Next day my friend said he had one of the best experiences of his life. D’oh! That night he went back to Mirrors, picked up his girlie then met me at Gentleman’s Club. I was chatting to a lovely I had met, but she didn’t want to go with me because I was chatting to her friend previously and that meant I belonged to her friend. Funny thing was that her friend had "a day off" that day. Hmmmm. Went to another club called Eruption (I think). End of the night met a nice girl. She asked me to bar fine her (1200 pesos), so I thought OK. We got back to hotel and she says "By the way, I am menstruating so no boom-boom". Shit! I decided that a good old HJ was better than nothing, and it was actually quite good. I went to the bathroom to clean up and that’s when the problems really started. The girl rushed in after me and grabbed my hand like a clamp. She started ranting about the spirits then fell on the floor in the foetal position crying. "OK" I said, "time for you to go home now". "But I want to stay with you all night" she replied. As tempting as that was (NOT), I tenderly explained that it really was a good idea for her to remove her cute little butt from my room as swiftly as possible. I took her out the front and got a trike for her.
Next day my mate was exhausted and said his night was amazing. Bastard. Went to a few bars in the afternoon and met a cutie. She was content to rub my weiner so much that I said "Change clothes and let’s go". She went off and mamasan came over and told me she is a cherry girl. Damnit! We went back to Gentleman’s Club (with my friend and his future ex-wife from Mirrors). My two lovelies quickly came over and grabbed me. They rubbed the weiner for ages, and took me into the toilet so I could have a little suck on their nipples. It was all going well until closing time when they both said they couldn’t go with me because they were menstruating. Lordy. I spent another night of uninterrupted sleep and woke up with a mighty unsatisfied boner.
Just to make matters worse, my mate had another wicked night. We returned to Mirrors on the sixth night. I decided to give the girl another go as my friends wife said she was sorry for the other night, she was so drunk. We had fun going to a few different bars, then back to the hotel. We played around for a little while, had some unsatisfying action, then she had to go home at 3. 30.
My butt-monkey mate had yet another fun-filled night that he delighted in telling me about. Jerk. The last night was spent with his wife bar-hopping. We had fun, but no action (waaaaahhhhhhh).
I learned that you must ALWAYS ask two questions – 1. Are you a cherry girl? 2. Are you menstruating? WTF? I have never had to do this in any of my extensive travels throughout Asia. Well I guess everywhere is different – this is not Thailand. Neither is it Indonesia or Vietnam. I would return to AC, but it’s not high on my list. I would like to add that this is my opinion only – my mate had a great time and would go back tomorrow.
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KyCuriosity
11-15-08, 20:46
Hello everyone, Well, I have finally done it. I bought my ticket to visit Angeles city in February. I do have a logistics problem though. I have to fly out at 6:30am on a Wednesday morning from Manila. The Fly-the-bus leaves at 3pm the previous day or not until 8am that morning (too late).
I wanted to stay at the Wild Orchard for a few days as well as the LewisGrand a few days, just for variety. Will either hotel offer their car services at 4am in the morning, or is it best to go to manila on Tuesday and get a hotel there and just get up in manila?
I know this may not be a great subject for this board, but this is my first visit to a foreign country. I planned on taking Fly-the-bus to angeles when I arrive.
Oh yeah, where is swagman hotel manila and swagman narah hotel? The pickup and dropoff points for fly-the-bus. Is it safe to carry 2 pieces of luggage on the bus? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will certainly post whatever information I can and hopefully some pictures after my visit.
I've seen all these problems with visas and MC's. Is my US-issued Visa Bank card able to be used in Angeles city? Or able to get cash from an ATM?
LoveAsianWhores
11-16-08, 15:34
Sorry man, I & many others have foreign credit cards that DO get accepted routinely & regularly.
The problem is the issuing banks & credit agencies not the airlines.
AVI have to disagree. I have many US credit cards and book airtravel on a regular basis. Except for Philippine airlines, you cannot use a foreign credit card online. Cebu Pacific will let you use it to book a flight over the phone, but you have to email them a bunch of stuff, which they never seem to receive, and it is a real hassle. With Philippine airlines, your credit card also has to participate in M/C secure code, or Visa's equivanlent program. I finally got around to getting a Philippine credit card just for this reason. I certainly would not have gone through the hassle of applying if I could use my US credit cards here without problems.
Hello everyone, Well, I have finally done it. I bought my ticket to visit Angeles city in February. I do have a logistics problem though. I have to fly out at 6:30am on a Wednesday morning from Manila. The Fly-the-bus leaves at 3pm the previous day or not until 8am that morning (too late).
I wanted to stay at the Wild Orchard for a few days as well as the LewisGrand a few days, just for variety. Will either hotel offer their car services at 4am in the morning, or is it best to go to manila on Tuesday and get a hotel there and just get up in manila?
I know this may not be a great subject for this board, but this is my first visit to a foreign country. I planned on taking Fly-the-bus to angeles when I arrive.
Oh yeah, where is swagman hotel manila and swagman narah hotel? The pickup and dropoff points for fly-the-bus. Is it safe to carry 2 pieces of luggage on the bus? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will certainly post whatever information I can and hopefully some pictures after my visit.
I've seen all these problems with visas and MC's. Is my US-issued Visa Bank card able to be used in Angeles city? Or able to get cash from an ATM?You should not have any problems getting car service at 4AM. My last trip I had an early flight as well and had no problem getting car service from the Pacific Breeze hotel at 4AM. Just make sure to tell the hotel in advance.
Swagman's website (http://www.swaggy.com/) provides the address for their hotels in Manila and AC.
I am also planning on using their "Fly the Bus" service for the first time in December.
Crazy Ami posted some very detailed info on ATMs in AC:
733022
Blackangst
11-16-08, 20:34
you learned the hard way but im afraid you should read the board first. some things are non negotiable when you go: when you grab her for ONE LD at the bar 1. are you cherry 2. are you mens 3. if its important do you BJ 4. how long will you stay. always, every time. no exceptions. 5 nights no action? man thats got to be a record for AC LOL...you were very unlucky....
Will either hotel offer their car services at 4am in the morning, or is it best to go to manila on Tuesday and get a hotel there and just get up in manila? Sounds like your taking flight 72 so you should be at the airport no later than 4:00 am! Just to be safe, I would consider staying in Manila the night before you fly out because shit happens in the Phil !
Oh yeah, where is swagman hotel manila and swagman narah hotel? The pickup and dropoff points for fly-the-bus. Is it safe to carry 2 pieces of luggage on the bus? Swagman is in Ermita about 30 minutes from the airport. The Narra is located in the Diamond sub. about a 10 minute walk from Fields but not to worry because they will drop you at your hotel and help you with your luggage. There are also other options including the 'Southern Cross' shuttle.
I've seen all these problems with visas and MC's. Is my US-issued Visa Bank card able to be used in Angeles city? Or able to get cash from an ATM? Just make sure you call your bank ahead of time and tell them you will be traveling to Philippines.
Please read back through the forum or do a search and all your questions will be answered!
I am arriving in Manila at midnight. Any early morning bus options or am I stuck taking a cab to Angeles City? It looks like all the buses depart at 3:30pm.
KyCuriosity
11-16-08, 23:36
Mattrick and Ungus, I wanted to say thank you very much for your information. I know the info is probably hidden in the archives for the past few months, but I've tried to look and I couldn't find it, but I will continue to look as well. I just wanted to give you both props for helping me out.
I've confirmed my hotel with lewisgrand and will check out on tuesday and stay the night in the Manila airport hotel so i can get to my flight easily.
Yes, Mattrick, I guess you are a professional when it comes to knowing the flights, I do have flight 72.
I have to say the conversation on this board is much better than the posts on the local board here, and you all actually have mature discussions. I'm extremely impressed with all of you here.
Good luck to everyone, and I will be keeping up with all the information here, and I hope I can contribute soon.
Nvslim -- Thanks for the Margarita Station newsletter link. Very inteesting. I have never been to Angeles City -- only to Manila and Puerto Galera -- but those newsletters surely bring the place alive,
5 nights no action? man thats got to be a record for AC LOL...you were very unlucky....
No action is unheard of. You should have gone back and complained to the mamasan the next day and she would have pointed you to one that would give guaranteed service for no BF or at a discount. They have a reputation to protect too.
Even John Merrick would have had better luck than you.
I have to disagree. I have many US credit cards and book airtravel on a regular basis. Except for Philippine airlines, you cannot use a foreign credit card online. Cebu Pacific will let you use it to book a flight over the phone, but you have to email them a bunch of stuff, which they never seem to receive, and it is a real hassle. With Philippine airlines, your credit card also has to participate in M/C secure code, or Visa's equivanlent program. I finally got around to getting a Philippine credit card just for this reason. I certainly would not have gone through the hassle of applying if I could use my US credit cards here without problems.
I was in PI in April this year and before arriving I bought two tickets online with Cebu Pacific using an Australia credit card. One ticket from AC to Cebu and the other from Cebu to Manila. No problems.
Maybe they just have problems with US credit cards, since AV also uses an Australia credit card.
My friend and I just returned from 2 weeks in Thailand (Bangkok + Pattaya) and 1 week in AC. My first visit to Philippines. I was looking forward to visiting a new place. Here is a quick report on my experiences.
My butt-monkey mate had yet another fun-filled night that he delighted in telling me about. Jerk. The last night was spent with his wife bar-hopping. We had fun, but no action (waaaaahhhhhhh).
I learned that you must ALWAYS ask two questions – 1. Are you a cherry girl? 2. Are you menstruating? WTF? I have never had to do this in any of my extensive travels throughout Asia. Well I guess everywhere is different – this is not Thailand. Neither is it Indonesia or Vietnam. I would return to AC, but it’s not high on my list. I would like to add that this is my opinion only – my mate had a great time and would go back tomorrow.
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You shouldn’t have to ask these questions this is not a fucking job interview. I only been up to Angeles once and to say I was unimpressed is an understatement. I feel your pain. After what I experienced I know what you experienced is all too real. I was there for only 24 hours as I have steady in Manila and was in the process of buying a house. Yes there is a vast amount of girls to choose from but a lot of the pretty ones had sponsors or were not interested. All the trolls were eager to go on a BF but why should I pay for a troll when I have a beautiful GF at home. I will return to AC but after my last trip to Bangkok, Thailand I am in no hurry.
Two couldn’t wait to hit the door and the sex was mediocre at best. No I am not a old and balding. I am in my late 20s and hit the gym on a regular I just don’t think Angeles was all that IMHO.
and 1 week in AC. My first visit to Philippines.
I think the girls realized immediately that you're a first-timer and tried all their little tricks.
Obviously it worked pretty well for them.
Yeah, 5 days no action in AC is something for Guinness book of world records.
Cheers!
Masked Avenge
11-17-08, 11:05
even john merrick would have had better luck than you.yeah i guess i should have polished my hump before i went!!
i really didn't expect the problems i encountered. never had to ask any of those questions before. not in thailand. not in indonesia. not even in vietnam or cambodia. singapore? no way man. multiple trips to these areas over quite a few years and rarely any issue. 1 trip to ac and blammo.
like i stated before, these were my experiences. i'm sure others have had a wonderful time, and i will probably give it another go at some stage in the future. probably not the near future though hehe.
Two couldn’t wait to hit the door and the sex was mediocre at best. No I am not a old and balding. I am in my late 20s and hit the gym on a regular I just don’t think Angeles was all that IMHO.Wow, DW, I find myself wondering why you are a member of this site. All you do is wine and tell how bad the ladies are. I live here and I have a "10" GF (don't we all) and I still enjoy going out to the clubs and seeing the ladies. Just wondering why are you here on ISG?
Not trying to start a war, just asking?
Thanks
Robb
Wow, DW, I find myself wondering why you are a member of this site. All you do is wine and tell how bad the ladies are. I live here and I have a "10" GF (don't we all) and I still enjoy going out to the clubs and seeing the ladies. Just wondering why are you here on ISG?
Not trying to start a war, just asking?
Thanks
Robb
Everybody acting like this guy experience is so unbelievable and I was just letting the guy know I can relate. Why am I on ISG? Because I monger and I paid my $20 just like you. Why do my post bother you? What else is behind it? All I do is whine… Seems you have read only a couple of my post and now you “know” me. As I said I was just commenting on the guy post and here come the personal attacks another X…no dare not speak his name. All I do is whine… OK add me to you’re ignore list cost you nothing.
all the trolls were eager to go on a bf but why should i pay for a troll when i have a beautiful gf at home. i will return to ac but after my last trip to bangkok, thailand i am in no hurry.sorry dw, i did go back and read your post:
o**** my man last year i was in thailand and the girls i took looked mostly like shit. i can’t believe i paid for it. this was in bangkok i haven’t been to pattaya since 06. i just wanted to touch on your post i really do think what you find at the bars of late is scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
Sorry DW, I did go back and read your post:
Now he is researching my old posts....:D That says a lot about you. Personal axe to grind?
That post in which you are quoting me was my experiences in Thailand in '07 this is more current:
Went back to claim to my booty ha haaaaaaaaa…. There she was looking like WTF! This guy bar fines me and bails.
Soon as we hit the hotel room door we were at each other like two lions fighting over piece of meat. Had to have the miss’s chill out my clothes are Armani.
Insatiable:
After three sessions the missus politely asks me could I continue to fuck her until she cums. Now who am I to refuse an request like that? I punished her for that. When I felt her toes squeeze the back of my ears knew I had another satisfied bar girl.
Extremely GFE:
She was cool as a fan. A real pleasure to be around didn’t sweat me for loot or nothing. A real champ in bed and out.
What does Manila not have to offer?
Take It Sleazy and Kill (pussy) at will
Jerk
I think the girls realized immediately that you're a first-timer and tried all their little tricks. Obviously it worked pretty well for them.
Yeah, 5 days no action in AC is something for Guinness book of world records.
His second time in AC will be much better, for sure! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Puerto La Cruz
11-17-08, 19:22
DW: Now you will have drawn the ire of X. This should get pretty funny. I'm already on his shit list. Hahahahahaha.
Primo Bolan
11-17-08, 20:34
You shouldn’t have to ask these questions this is not a fucking job interview. I only been up to Angeles once and to say I was unimpressed is an understatement. I feel your pain. After what I experienced I know what you experienced is all too real. I was there for only 24 hours as I have steady in Manila and was in the process of buying a house. Yes there is a vast amount of girls to choose from but a lot of the pretty ones had sponsors or were not interested. All the trolls were eager to go on a BF but why should I pay for a troll when I have a beautiful GF at home. I will return to AC but after my last trip to Bangkok, Thailand I am in no hurry.
Two couldn’t wait to hit the door and the sex was mediocre at best. No I am not a old and balding. I am in my late 20s and hit the gym on a regular I just don’t think Angeles was all that IMHO.I have been to A three times. I have never experienced these problems (well almost never. Eh) and this lack of quality in the girls that you are talking about. I guess I have been lucky on these trips and the next time its my turn to experience these cherry bullshitting girls.
Mongering1
11-17-08, 22:06
Of course I'm not going through all the posts on this thread, but 5 days in AC with out getting laid got my attention.
I've been here the better part of 6 years, not got laid in any given night I can count on my fingers!
Bud
Professional
11-18-08, 04:29
I was in PI in April this year and before arriving I bought two tickets online with Cebu Pacific using an Australia credit card. One ticket from AC to Cebu and the other from Cebu to Manila. No problems.
Maybe they just have problems with US credit cards, since AV also uses an Australia credit card.The problem is actually using your cards online. I never had a problem when in PI the only problems I run into is when I try and use it online.
I have been to A three times. I have never experienced these problems (well almost never. Eh) and this lack of quality in the girls that you are talking about. I guess I have been lucky on these trips and the next time its my turn to experience these cherry bullshitting girls.
Maybe you are handsome, rich or White. Or could be just the people we encountered on those trip(s). Or maybe it’s our own interpretation of what we think is pretty or not. Who knows? Like I said I only been once and it was for less then 24 hours....
Mongering1
11-18-08, 11:53
Tomorrow, Wed, around 5pm, got at least a half dozen BMs meeting up at Cheers and we getting delivered baby back ribs from Studebakers.
If in town, suggest starting out at Stargate at 2pm when it opens and hop your way down to Cheers. Have some scoff then fuck off wherever, well Honeykos would be the next logical stop.
LoveAsianWhores
11-18-08, 20:23
Everybody acting like this guy experience is so unbelievable and I was just letting the guy know I can relate. I can relate as well. Just take a look at one of my posts from a couple of years back: 382042. When I made that post, I had people say that I was a liar because it is impossible to spend two days barhopping in AC and not find a girl.
Two days in AC and I couldn't get laid. Shit happens. But today? Well, lets just say that living in Subic and going to AC on a weekly basis has certainly improved my AC girl hunting skills. While I still occasionally strike out in AC, it is rare and only when I am not particularly horny (had some marathon sex in the morning, for example). I'll make a couple of quick points to what I have learned over the years to improve my luck.
1) It is quite obvious to anyone that not all the bars are the same. What is less apparent is how different bars have their own "personality" which has a great effect on the liklihood of finding your honey for the night. Girls like to work with girls who are similar to them, so your type of girl may be absent from a particular bar, but another bar might be loaded with them. I have my favorite bars where I often hit gold, and other bars that I avoid like the plague. It takes a lot of regular bar hopping to figure out what bars work for you. Going from one bar to another on a random basis is a bad strategy.
2) Experince has given me a good eye for identifying cherry girls. And you can always ask the mamason before calling the girl down.
3) Finding a good girl takes work. I start at 6:00, try not to spend more than 15 minutes in each bar, and try to hit as many bars in a night as I can.
4) If you go to Angeles often, find a regular. For me, a regular is girl who is not a cherry, but does not normally barfine. They tend to turn down your initial offer to barfine, but after a couple of repeat visits to the bar, they agree. Waitresses and dancers (I mean the REAL dancers that perform hourly at Las Vegas and Crystial Palace, amoung others) offer good potential for this. This way, if you find that you are striking out, just go get your regular at 2:00am. If you have made a good choice, she will still be there because she doesn't normally barfine.
5) If you are used to Manila, lower your standards. This is not Makati or the complex. But you can still find something exceptional here if look, and she will usually give much better service than a Manila girl.
Lets take last weekend. A particularly successful trip. I found an 18 year old in Carossel at about 7:00. She had some attitude, but was cute and had never been barfined by a non-asian guy before. I did the nice guy/generous guy bit (you spend time getting them to losen up, and buy plenty of drinks), and you convince them to give a western guy a try. She appeared quite concered by the size of a western dick, but the waitress was helping me out by telling her how great it was. So she finally agrees and it is back to the hotel. Just I suspected, she turns out to be super tight and was clawing at the sheets. Not everyone's thing, but I had a great time. Couldn't find anyone else after I returned her to the bar (she was done for the night, and maybe for the week! ), so I I took my regular dancer from Crystal Palalce at 1:00 am for the night. She is 18, very hot, and always wonderful to spend the night with.
The second night I find a SUPER HOTTIE at Las Vegas at about 6:30 (like I said, you have to start ealy for the best girls). She was 18 (Ok, so I don't go near girls who are close to the wrong side of 20), been in the bar only 3 days, and had never been with a western guy (and I also have a thing for being the first big dick in a girl). I just had to have this girl. The problem was that after about 10 minutes, the mamason came over to tell the girl that a Japanese guy wants to barfine her. I understand some tagalog, and while the mamason said it was up to her who she goes with, her tone made it clear that she had better go with the Jap. I spent about 1, 000P on ladies drinks trying to get her to go with me, but it was hopeless. I offered two thousand pesos, but she just wouldn't. I was even buying drinks for her best friend, and she was trying to help me out, but still no luck! But I took her number and figured I would text her and maybe the Jap thing wouldn't happen. The problem was that it was now getting late and It would be difficult finding another girl. And it was. So come 2:00am, I head back to Crystal Palace for my regular (she gets off at 2:00am, so no barfine). Anyway, we are heading out the door and something really weird happens (whatever it was, it went right over my head. I'll find out the deal when I see her next week), so I go home alone. Bummer, but this is AC and you win some, and you lose some. The fun is often in the hunt. Anyway, I awaken at 10:00 from a text from the Las Vegas girl. She wants to meet! Maybe the money I spent on her last night wasn't a bad investment at all. It was quite clear that she wasn't writing the texts, but someone appeared quite intent on sending her over. She arrives at about noon. A young, simple thing that spoke almost no English. Kind of weird that she came over to my place, and it appeared more like she was sent. So she sits on my bed, and was completely cueless. I don't what these Japenese do, but if they fuck them, the girls don't pick much up. I have to undress her myself, lay her down. When It comes time to take off her underwear, she looks surprised and asks "why". I am not sure how to answer a question like that, so I just smile. I am quite sure that she had at least one other barfine before me, but maybe she is just a slow learner. Of course, she is nice and tight and it was a very nice morning indeed. I figured that she came/was sent over as I made the offer of 2, 000P last night, but I only had 1, 000 on me. I gave it to her and she appeared quite pleased and I still get texts from her.
But back to original reason for this post. While I have had complete strike outs in AC, last week was typical. Three exceptional girls in two nights, all wrapped up in a fun weekend that has a little adventure feel to it. And the entire weekend cost me less than $250. Don't give up on AC. The place still has plenty of potential.
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Well when you are at Stargate say Hi to MJ for me.
A cherry girl but I admire the lucky guy some day.
I can relate as well. Just take a look at one of my posts from a couple of years back: 382042. When I made that post, I had people say that I was a liar because it is impossible to spend two days barhopping in AC and not find a girl.
Two days in AC and I couldn't get laid. Shit happens. But today? Well, lets just say that living in Subic and going to AC on a weekly basis has certainly improved my AC girl hunting skills. reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
Law I will be home around Late December if you want to hook up in Angeles drinks are on me. I said I wasn’t going to the place again. (not because of my experience) Kind of burned out of the P4P scene but since my first and only trip duration was so short... What the hell….
In mid morning Mike and I checked out of the Executive Plaza Hotel, Manila and took a short taxi ride to the Swagman Hotel, where we boarded the 11:30 "Fly the Bus" to Angeles City.
Uneventful 2 hours ride and a small van shuttled us from Swagman Hotel AC to Pacific Breeze. PB is a NICE hotel and was worth every penny ($48/night Deluxe room, no window, $57/night executive, $75/night Jacuzzi suite). We booked the $57 room each for 3 nights. The staff is HOT!!!
After unpacking - around 2:00pm - we went around Fields Avenue - a 1/4 mile stretch of back to back bars and came back to get lazy by the hotel's pool. A few guests were sitting poolside with young Filipina girls, who stared at us any time they could... Working girls always do that: When the guy they are with is looking elsewhere, they'll sneak you a look or a smile...
Around 6:30 we were showered and shaved and ready to start our bar hopping. Stopped in numerous bars, spoke to some girls and after about an hour, we entered Rhapsody, where most girls were dressed like French Maids that night.
The sofas were full, so we sat on the stools by the bar. Mike was attacked by Sunshine, who dragged him to center stage and started rubbing herself all over him... Lucky guy!
I looked around and made an eye contact with an LBFM spinner who was dancing with her back to me, but thru the mirror on the opposing wall, flashed a huge smile and waved to me. I waved back and we exchanged a few smiles thru the mirror in the next couple of minutes. Before the next song, she moved to center stage, so she was facing me. This girl danced very sexy and she was a knockout. I motioned to her to come over.
She obliged and gave me another shy smile with a full set of white teeth contradicting her brown-toned skin. Abs to die for, nice boobs, just a model type and shy. Found out she was 19 y.o. and talked for a while. Asked her if she dfk'd and she said "depends on the customer". "Would you dfk with me?" I asked. "Yes", she giggled.
5 minutes later I paid the 1200 piso ($24) barfine and we made the 2 minutes walk to Pacific Breeze.
She asked me to shower first, then she went in. She came out with the towel around her and slipped under the blanket, acting very shy. I kept making small talk and then started light kissing, which turned into dfk. Then I let my fingers do the walking (on the outside of her trimmed kitty) and she started to get into it. Within 5 minutes she climaxed and became extremely wet.
I tried to move to DATY, but she wouldn't. She claimed no one has ever done that and that she is too shy for it - didn't want anyone to look at her kitty that close. Fine...
I suspect that before trimming her bush, she was extremely hairy down there and felt uncomfortable... If she only knew how much I love hairy kitties...
Asked her for a bj and she squinted her eyes like she did not want to, but within 2 minutes, Mr. Wood was in her mouth, with her head hiding the action (did I mention she was shy?). The bbbj was good and then cover came on. Asked her to climb for CG and that's where I had the time of my life.
I think I have been with more than 700 women in 20 years of hobbying that started in my early 30's and I had wild times in my 20's, too (Ahhh... the 70's!). But this girl gave me the best CG ever!
I am sure it had to do with the penetration angle that fit our bodies perfectly. She rode my shaft all the way down and had a great pelvis-to-pelvis grind. Add to it her closed-eyes, trans-looking beautiful face with wet hair covering part of it, moaning, her perfect abs on top of me and her B+/C boobs moving frantically and I was in heaven! I just didn't want it to end.
After a while, I got up for a face-to-face sitting position, which she liked a lot. Then lifted her for some edge-of-the- bed riding (my feet on the floor, hers around my waste), standing mish with her legs in spread eagle ("don't look!" she murmured again, as I was admiring the view of my shaft sliding in and out of her perfect body). Then I folded her in half, for a standing 1/2 mish, 1/2 doggie and later exploded in regular mish. Did I say I was in heaven?
Quick showers, back to bed, more chatting and then round 2. More dfk, mish and then I let her ride me CG to completion, enjoying every moment of this bliss. After we were done, she asked if she could stay the night. I said "sure", thinking I am such a stud, she just couldn't resist staying with me. Yeah right! I later learned that in AC, Short Time equals All-Nighter. But I was happy, so who cares?
We fell asleep exhausted and the next morning had another wonderful GFE session. I walked her to the front of the hotel and we said our goodbyes. I knew I would barfine her again, but before that I had to complete a another mission.
Coming next on day 5: Fedex gets his first 3some, including a lesbian show.
Primo Bolan
11-20-08, 01:06
Going to AC next year and I have a question about some hotels that I have not stayed in, and Im pretty sure that some of you lovemaking animals have stayed there. What Im looking for is basic and reliable hotels. How about these? Are they any good or what? The last one looks a little bit dirty but the location is perfect though.
1. HANA HOTEL
2. PREMIERE HOTEL
3. MARQUIS HOTEL
4. NIAGARA LODGE
As Always,
Primo
i'm here in angeles for a couple of day's. been following this thread about a guy who couldn't get laid for 5 day's with great interest...
i posted a few days ago in the manila thread about my great dissappointment with first time experience of l.a. cafe & its hard bitten overpriced short timers.
as usual angeles does not disappoint for me.
arrived yesterday. just for a change, in the name of research, i chose a budget method of transport from manila to angeles. both swagman 'fly the bus' & the other bus are modern comfortable air conditioned & good value at p600 one way.
the bus took a little long due to being parked in & heavy heavy traffic for the 11.30am service. i recommend the bus's if you want to save money.
at short notice could only get a booking at central park hotel. not disappointed, run by the same people who own pacific breeze. actually im warming to it because it is not so busy & a little more private. good little 3 star hotel in good state of repair with decent sized rooms & fair price.
got here 2pm, spent several hours taking care of business & domestic issues.
by 6pm i was ready for some relaxation. took a shower & went for a walk to find myself some company.
my method & the one i recommend to newbies is to 'let the pussy come to you'. the best sex is always with girls who, for what ever reason, dig you. im not recommending you go with fuglies or sw's. what i mean is take a relaxed walk along the bars, see what what girls are interested in you & whether they are what you are in the mood for. sometimes i pause & go into a bar that is friendly with nice stable like gecko's for instance.
last night hit the pavement at 7pm, a cutey called maricel from some joint called checkers was out on the street touting for business, big smile, lots of eye contact & held my hand while she tried to get me in.. nice but no sale.
continued on my walk past body shop and the other bars in this back street. lots of door girls touting. one grabbed my attention, big smile, looked very young complete with 'braces' on her teeth.. very cute with a lingerie model body to die for.. hmmm tasty..
grabs me, looks into my eyes & wraps herself around me... i was lost.. but i regained my composure & said i needed to go get a shower. she offered to come shower with me.. very very tempting..
i walked away but returned a few minutes later because in the past i have always had great sex with girls that approach me & give off a good vibe.
i took her inside the bar to by a drink for her & check if there was anything else better on the menu inside. while in there she wrapped herself around me kissing me softly & making me very horny. she turned out to be the best thing in the bar as far as i was concerned & was happy to take her out for the night. mamasan was very easy going, no haggling just a smile & the bill. damage : p1450 including a san mig lite & a coke for her.
as i suspected this girl was very very gfe.
i lost count of the number of times we bonked after 6 but suffice to say i exhausted today. wow totally amazing gfe. we shagged all night with no sleep. first time we did it was very nice second time she shyly did me cg & i gotta tell you i came gang busters! never had such an intense orgasm for a very long time. god what great chemistry.. its a long time since a p4p'er could get me hard over & over again doing it all night long. had to peel each other off ourselves at 9am coz we both had to be places. we are both delighted to have a repeat performance tonight. gotta go get some sleep, im stuffed!
im thinking...15 minutes on the street & i was heading to my room with horny beautiful girl.
so to the guys that cant get laid after 5 days all i can say is unbelievable...
i do notice many guys here look very 'serious'. they walk around with this intense brooding look.. pinays love a relaxed guy with a warm smile & ready to make a joke, even a weak one.
looks aren't everything to women although most chicks say to me they prefer smaller guy like me. i can relate i suppose. if the choice is being smothered by one of the 300lb septuagenarians that are common here or going with fit younger smaller guy then the choice is obvious.
i think this is another reason they lean toward asians, not just the money but better 'fit' physically (no im not talking about penis size).
angeles for me represents unbeatable value for money & the best chance of gfe anywhere in the p4p category.
weather is fine & hot, place is brimming with fuckable women. run, do not walk to your nearest travel agent now! hehehehe :d
av
My method & the one I recommend to newbies is to 'let the pussy come to you'. The best sex is always with girls who, for what ever reason, dig you. Im not recommending you go with fuglies or SW's. What I mean is take a relaxed walk along the bars, see what what girls are interested in you & whether they are what you are in the mood for.
Amavida,
This is good advice, and is my typical method also. I will focus on a group of girls I'm attracted to, but the one I bring home for the night is the one from that group who picks me.
Masked Avenge
11-20-08, 10:42
OK just to set the record straight - stayed AC for 7 nights. Got laid one time. Big ol' HJ one night. Play but no real action one night. 2 nights no action - my choice. 2 nights no action but I was looking.
I would like to give you a comparison with the other section of my holiday - to Thailand. 6 nights Bangkok. Shagged 3 chicks, 2 for 2 nights each. 5 nights in Pattaya. Shagged 7 different chicks, one massive double-header. 3 more nights Bangkok. 1 chick for the 3 nights. Never had to ask about menstruating. Cherry girl? Huh? What are they?
I do notice many guys here look very 'serious'. They walk around with this intense brooding look..
AV
Hahaha...I think that's because they see the place as dangerous and if you don't check your six, you will be stabbed from behind.
I must admit, I found being frisked for weapons before entering the SM Mall a little unnerving at first. But really AC, is probably safer than many parts of developed countries/cities I have been to.
Shagged 3 chicks, 2 for 2 nights each. 5 nights in Pattaya. Shagged 7 different chicks, one massive double-header. 3 more nights Bangkok. 1 chick for the 3 nights. Never had to ask about menstruatingSeems Thailand is better for you. It's that simple.
I've been to Pattaya recently, it was okay, good bumbum, but IMHO nothing to shout about.
For me no need to return any time soon.
I arrived yesterday in AC and had so far 4 cummings.
After arrival one quick BBBJ, in the evening a barfine and two shots.
Just got back with second barfine at second night, one bumbum right now and the night isn't over yet.... :D
She's now sleeping behind me here, hehe.
Must go to bed now, greetings from AC!
Life is nice, di ba?
Cheers!
Twice Divorced
11-21-08, 02:47
Seems Thailand is better for you. It's that simple.Hit the nail on the head. Different strokes (no pun intended) for different folks. I've been to both places and I'm with Masked Avenge on this one. AC didn't do it for me, but Pattaya damned sure did. It's often argued which one is better. I say whichever one appeals to the individual's taste. AC will serve the tastes of some guys, and Pattaya the tastes of others and, in some instances, some mongers find both places to be equally appealing.
Gosh Expat yu make make us look bad. BUTTERFLYS they call us. I hope the girls were not from same bar. Ha ha ha ha ha. Hmmm how I truely miss ac. Few months and counting.
Mister Fusion
11-21-08, 11:53
Quick report:
Stayed at the Wild Orchid. Helpful staff, nice rooms, good experience.
Favorite bar was Tropix. The seats weren't too close to the stage, the mamasan was great fun, and the girls weren't too pushy, while still being a good time. Next time I'm in AC, I'll definitely go back.
Moved to a new hotel called Valentino's right behind Central Plaza. Upmarket brand new. Promo rate p1800/night.
Checked out a few more bars but my first night girl has turned into a long term barfine. Came up for air to report we were still at it this morning when the front desk rang at 11.30am to remind me that I was checking out.. ahem at 12 noon.
Never been interested in Santos street 'blow row' but went for a walk there out of curiosity today.. yuck, I wasn't missing anything! Grotty buildings & semi feral 'women'.
The fields/perimeter are looks more prosperous. Less SW's about. Plenty of 'vitamin' touts. Less aggressive & friendly than in Ermita/Malate. Trike drivers are charging extorionate prices. Decided to ferry my BF across the road from Jollibee to SM, the barstard hit us for p100! We were both angry at this plain robbery.
Ah well, back to the shagging..
AV
Darth Sushi
11-21-08, 13:32
...Decided to ferry my BF across the road from Jollibee to SM, the barstard hit us for p100! We were both angry at this plain robbery.
Gentlemen, always negotiate before getting in the trike. Walk away if the price is high. Just like the vitamins v vendors, they'll change their tune the moment you take a step towards the next trike twenty feet away. Everything is negotiable.
Going to AC next year and I have a question about some hotels that I have not stayed in, and Im pretty sure that some of you lovemaking animals have stayed there. What Im looking for is basic and reliable hotels. How about these? Are they any good or what? The last one looks a little bit dirty but the location is perfect though.
1. HANA HOTEL
2. PREMIERE HOTEL
3. MARQUIS HOTEL
4. NIAGARA LODGE
As Always,
Primo
I stayed at the Marquis recently. It is budget rate, rooms OK but tired. Everything worked OK. The place is located on a less busy street, so it is not so noisy. It is in two parts. The pool is OK, clean, well maintained. Restaurant is reasonable, food is OK, and it is outdoors.
The place is near the Petron service station, so it is a little distance from the cenrral action, but has enough bars nearby to satisfy most needs. Very cheap to catch a jeepney to the middle of the action. Tricycle fare should be 50 or 60 pesos to the middle of the action.
I thought it was good value for money.
I hav stayed at the Premiere a couple of times quite a while ago. It was getting tired and run down then, and probably no better now.
Its main advantage is a very big and attractive pool and surrounds. The girls loved it.
I have posted before about this.
Like many others, I had a lot of trouble buying tickets for Cebu Pacific online. I would try 3 cards, and sometimes one would work.
Because of the pattern of failures, I became suspicious of the card itself.
So next time I was home, I went to the bank and asked the teller to show me the information they have on my card. I was stunned.
Despite the fact that I am careful filling out forms, whoever it was who keyed my info into the computer had made errors. They also made abbreviations, got the abbreviation for my state wrong, and had errors in my mailing address. Also, the teller did not know the correct name for this bank. The commonly used name is ANZ. The teller assured me that this is the correct name for the bank. But the correct name for the bank is actually Australia and New Zealand Bank Limited.
I had her correct the errors, then I wrote down all of the information on the screen.
Now whenever I make a purchase it is approved every time.
So if you are having troubles, do the same.
G
Primo Bolan
11-21-08, 20:32
I hav stayed at the Premiere a couple of times quite a while ago. It was getting tired and run down then, and probably no better now.
Its main advantage is a very big and attractive pool and surrounds. The girls loved it.Ok Thanks Gangles.
I will keep this in mind when Im in A!
Primo
HornyGeorge
11-21-08, 21:25
100P to go the 100 meters from Jollibee to SM is one of the worst abuses I've heard, but even the locals get fleeced by the Trike Mafia. Take jeepneys and walk to avoid giving a Piso to these cunts. If your girl is too lazy to walk it is unlikely she has a toned body anyway.
Taxis in AC are the biggest rip in the PI also; 300P from the airport for a ride taht would cost 50 in Manila, Cebu, Davao etc. That rip off is harder to avoid (unless you REALLY want to wait until a jeep fills at airport), gut except for trips with luggage and away from Balibago (or if a MAJOR rainstyorm) no reason to use the trikes ever.
Hmm.. not sure about that.
I rang Cebu Air myself in PI and they could not get the charge to go through either and they did not need all the details the website asked for. Made me wonder if the information is superflous. I also have an ANZ card and tried the extended name combination you suggested and used the same billing address on my statement including the errors. It did not work.
In the end, I booked with Cebu agent Met Tours based in Singapore. It was about 20% more than online price and I had to go to the bank to wire them the money, but I figured, Singapore was the least corrupt of countries listed on Cebu. Ask for Stu, he handles all the Cebu Air bookings.
If my Western Union online worked properly, I would have used Wild Orchid Travel in AC. Ask for Joy or Beng. wildorchidtravel@yahoo.com
Their service fee is Php600.
I shuddered at the alternative to Cebu Pacific, which would have been to fly a full service airline via Incheon, or maybe adding hours to travel and transit via Air Asia for no less money wise.
CP has huge problems with processing overseas cards, they know it, their agents all know it and a lot of other travel blogs have said the same.
Hopefully, tougher economic times might get some one there to pull their head out of their ass and fix the problem as I'm betting they are probably losing some sales as a result, and aircraft loading % start to drop.
hahaha...i think that's because they see the place as dangerous and if you don't check your six, you will be stabbed from behind.
a guy was shot twice and robbed last weekend on narcisso street just south of fields while returning home. he is lucky to be alive! always watch your back at night!
My 19 y.o. stunner from last night gave me another fabulous love-making experience in the morning and after showering, I escorted her to the front of Pacific Breeze and said goodbye. I tipped her a lot in AC standards - 500p ($10) - but she was worth every centavo (she was the highlight of my trip).
Breakfast with my buddy Mike at the Lanai restaurant overlooking the pool, ogling the other young Filipinas coming to breakfast with older men after a night and probably morning of boinking, then strolling to an internet cafe, having a good mideastern lunch at the Red Sea restaurant across from the Blue Nile and back to the hotel.
Chilling by the pool for a couple of hours and getting ready to get a couple of girls for a 3some. I wanted my 3some girls to interact between them, i.e. dfk, daty, etc., not just having 2 girls in bed with me.
We started the quest at Atlantis and we were in for a treat. That night was a "body paint" photo shoot night, so the 10 - 12 "superstars" of the house had their upper half of their body painted with beer labels. In Atlantis, just like everywhere else in AC, the barfine is 1350p (less than $27), but the superstars - who are sopposedly younger, prettier, hotter and give better service - command 3000p (about $60) each.
Atlantis is an amazing place. 3 stories high, 100+ girls. There is a huge dance floor, when the girls do synchronized dancing like cheerleaders, a second floor balcony where some more girls dance (see ReallyNiceGuy's photos in the photo section) and a 3rd floor where the DJ works out of an igloo-looking booth.
After enjoying the show, I approached one of the supervisors and told her what I wanted. Within 5 minutes she was back with a body-painted superstar, who told me she could fulfill my quest. Before she went to get another girl, I asked for the price and when told 3000p each, I declined and we moved on to the Blue Nile (Nero's Forum).
Before that, I went to Rhapsody to book Ms. 19 again for tomorrow night. When I got there, she was busy with a black customer, who bought drinks to 3 girls and had them dancing in front of him. We made eye contact and she gestured that she was sorry she couldn't come over. I left and came back later. The black guy was gone and Miss 19 ran into my arms like a lost lover (we didn't bang for 12 hours... LOL). Told her I would come for her tomooroow around 8:00 and she seemed happy.
The Blue Nile was not as large as Atlantis - no other bar is - and it had probably 60+ girls. I told the MMS - a heavy set, short Filipina with a blonde-dyed hair - what I was looking for and she came up with 4 girls within 5 minutes. One was ugly, another was unapealing and the other two were skinny and walked arm-in-arm, claiming to be cousins. I naturally chose them and the BF was 1350 each. They went to change and then we headed to the Hotel. One was 22 years old with a 2 year old son, the other 25 y.o. with 5 y.o. daughter.
We got to the room, I showered first and they they went in.
They spent 10 minutes in the shower and later I discovered that they used my razor and toothbrush... Oh well...
On the bed, I started directing them. Asked them to DFK each other, which they did, then 22 sucked 25's nipples, while I DFK'd 25. Nice.
Then 22 went to the house and started DATY (25 moaned "Oh Shit!" in excitement), while I alternated between DFK'ing and nipple sucking her. So far so good.
Then the girls switched and we went thru a similar routine (22 had the same "Oh Shit" reaction when 25 was eating her... LOL).
Then 25 started giving me a good bbbj while I was dfk'ing with 22. Are you with me so far?... It's a very nice feeling to be blown and kiss at the same time... The girls switched and 22 was blowing me as 25 and I DFK'd.
The next thing I asked of them was to lick my shaft at the same time. What a visual!!! Eventually, 25 took it into her mouth for a continued bbbj.
Cover cam on and 25 was riding me CG, as I dfk'd with 22. 25's body was a turn-off. Though skinny, her small boobs were sagging and she had stretch marks on her tummy. 22 had a much better body and was more fun in the sack, although both were on the "pro" side and there was not a lot of passion.
After 5 min. of CG, we changed covers and I started banging 22 in mish while dfk'ing and nipple sucking with 25.
After a while, I pulled out and directed 22 for a standing doggie with her head burried in 25's snatch for more lesbo DATY. Unfortunately, I lost my hard-on while trying to mount her doggie, so I sat down and 22 blew me until I was hard again. I was afraid, however, to lose it again, so I banged 22 in mish to completion, as 25 was dfk'ing and nipple sucking her and me.
A quick shower for me, then for them and they got dressed. I tipped 200P (about $4) each and called it a night. I guess none of us believed I could do another round, so 55 minutes after entering the room (40 - 45 minutes of actual action), I sent them on their very happy way.
Not the greatest experience, but it was fun. Total damage: $62.
Coming soon: Day 6 - another romp with Miss 19 - can't get enough of this young, tight body!
I would appreciate some advices from senior and experienced members concerning the above subect.
I plab to fly to AC and Manila after a short vacation in China next month.
Someone said that it i spossible to be attacked from behind or shot atnight
this is really worrying possibility.
Thanks,
Wizzy
I tipped her a lot in AC standards - 500p ($10) - but she was worth every centavo (she was the highlight of my trip).
In that case 500p is okay, I do the same. No over-tipping
who are sopposedly younger, prettier, hotter and give better service -
Better service I don't think so. Not necessarily.
Once I had a spotlight dancer, but service wasn't better or worse than any other girl. My experince.
Atlantis is an amazing place. 3 stories high, 100+ girls.
I estimate at least 500-600 girls.
100+ girls are already in such small bars eg. Champagne or so.
25's body was a turn-off. Though skinny, her small boobs were sagging and she had stretch marks on her tummy.
Why didn't you check the body first?!?
Coming soon: Day 6 - another romp with Miss 19 - can't get enough of this young, tight body!
Man, there are so many young tight bodies.......
Check out another one :D
Me on my way to TOC soon to pick up a hottie I saw there yesterday :D
Enjoy!
Cheers!
Darth Sushi
11-22-08, 11:00
I would appreciate some advices from senior and experienced members concerning the above subect.
I plab to fly to AC and Manila after a short vacation in China next month.
Someone said that it i spossible to be attacked from behind or shot atnight
this is really worrying possibility.
Thanks,
Wizzy
Fields Avenue is pretty safe because there are plenty of cops and barangays surrounding the area plus there's a police station a block away. The cops actually will close the street to car traffic at night to enhance protection. However, foreigners are still juicy targets so you can help yourself by not increasing your chance of being a target. Don't drink yourself into a stupor. Don't flash your stash. Avoid fights with a local unless you're willing to fight a mob. If you're driving, park within view of the security guard. Most murders here are usually personal or political. Pickpockets and snatchers are more common than strong arm robbery. Just use your common sense and street smarts. Remember, muggers prefer easy victims so don't act or look like an easy mark.
One place to avoid are the trikes near Johnny's supermarket and the area behind it. These guys will set you up there. Quite a few hotels have been warning customers about that area. Also, watch out for "the hotel sent me to pick you up" or "remember me from the hotel...you want a ride" phrase. Note they never say which specific hotel you're staying in plus hotels want payment in advance for that kind of service. If you don't recognize him, don't go with him.
Jimmy Red Cab
11-22-08, 12:22
I would appreciate some advices from senior and experienced members concerning the above subect.
I plab to fly to AC and Manila after a short vacation in China next month.
Someone said that it i spossible to be attacked from behind or shot atnight
this is really worrying possibility.
Thanks,
Wizzy
Wizzy, I have just returned from Angeles City and never felt in danger but obviously you must use a bit of common sense, don't wear a genuine Rolex or carry your life savings with you, the people are very poor so you should not put temptation in their way.
You could also get shot in London or New York but it is most unlikely.
Beijing Lover
11-22-08, 12:39
hmm.. not sure about that.
i rang cebu air myself in pi and they could not get the charge to go through either and they did not need all the details the website asked for. made me wonder if the information is superflous. i also have an anz card and tried the extended name combination you suggested and used the same billing address on my statement including the errors. it did not work.
in the end, i booked with cebu agent met tours based in singapore. it was about 20% more than online price and i had to go to the bank to wire them the money, but i figured, singapore was the least corrupt of countries listed on cebu. ask for stu, he handles all the cebu air bookings.
if my western union online worked properly, i would have used wild orchid travel in ac. ask for joy or beng. wildorchidtravel@yahoo.com
their service fee is php600.
i shuddered at the alternative to cebu pacific, which would have been to fly a full service airline via incheon, or maybe adding hours to travel and transit via air asia for no less money wise.
cp has huge problems with processing overseas cards, they know it, their agents all know it and a lot of other travel blogs have said the same.
hopefully, tougher economic times might get some one there to pull their head out of their ass and fix the problem as i'm betting they are probably losing some sales as a result, and aircraft loading % start to drop.
just book with cebu pacific a flight from macau to clark and used a visa card issued in macau without any problem.
beijinglover
Fields Avenue is pretty safe because there are plenty of cops and barangays surrounding the area plus there's a police station a block away. The cops actually will close the street to car traffic at night to enhance protection. However, foreigners are still juicy targets so you can help yourself by not increasing your chance of being a target. Don't drink yourself into a stupor. Don't flash your stash. Avoid fights with a local unless you're willing to fight a mob. If you're driving, park within view of the security guard. Most murders here are usually personal or political. Pickpockets and snatchers are more common than strong arm robbery. Just use your common sense and street smarts. Remember, muggers prefer easy victims so don't act or look like an easy mark.
One place to avoid are the trikes near Johnny's supermarket and the area behind it. These guys will set you up there. Quite a few hotels have been warning customers about that area. Also, watch out for "the hotel sent me to pick you up" or "remember me from the hotel...you want a ride" phrase. Note they never say which specific hotel you're staying in plus hotels want payment in advance for that kind of service. If you don't recognize him, don't go with him.Darth Sushi the last time I was in AC was in March and there was tourist police everywhere so I felt pretty safe but I had read on another site that they had gotten rid of the tourist police. Do you know if that's the case?
My 19 y.o. stunner from last night gave me another fabulous love-making experience in the morning and after showering, I escorted her to the front of Pacific Breeze and said goodbye. I tipped her a lot in AC standards - 500p ($10) - but she was worth every centavo (she was the highlight of my trip).
. Asked them to DFK each other, which they did, then 22 sucked 25's nipples, while I DFK'd 25. Nice.
Then 22 went to the house and started DATY (25 moaned "Oh Shit!" in excitement), while I alternated between DFK'ing and nipple sucking her. So far so good.
Coming soon: Day 6 - another romp with Miss 19 - can't get enough of this young, tight body!Great report Fedex, but what about a few pics?
Darth Sushi
11-22-08, 16:25
Darth Sushi the last time I was in AC was in March and there was tourist police everywhere so I felt pretty safe but I had read on another site that they had gotten rid of the tourist police. Do you know if that's the case?
The tourist police are indeed gone but it's still pretty safe around the bar areas. There are more barangays (guys in dark blue or yellow vests) picking up the slack. I haven't notice any drastic change.
Thanks for the info Darth Sushi. I plan to be there around the middle of December and I know thats when a lot of robberies happen so its good to know that there's still some type of police presence.
I have to agree its a big rip off taking the trike anywhere in Angeles. I make only exception if I am leaving bar with girl and staying far away like Clarkton. There really is not a need to take trike for everything really is within a 14 minute walk Besides walking you you can stake out the tomorrow night entertainment for your room. What I normally do is just rent a motorbike. Its P350 a day and you come and go as you please and alot less expensive than taking a trike. The only thing to remember is the liability lays squarely on you if something happens to the bike. I have had good experience but got fleeced by a place I rented a bike from. They charge me extra day and I Know for fact that date was wrong when I return Bike. Yes I made a stink with the Australian / British owner but to know avail. Even proved to him I was not there on first day of rental. Well so I got charged an extra P350. I suppose he needed it alot my than I did so why fuss over something a little over $7. 00. Its to bad because I used them 3 times previous times. I guess they gained P350 and lost my future business as well.company name I won't say because I beleave that there is possibly policy doing that. Still Bike rental is far better than a trike and when you bar hop in evening make sure you leave bike in safe secure place. Use bike for daytime exploration.
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EF:
I did not bring a camera, due to the SO situation, but my wingman Mike (ReallyNiceGuy) has posted photos on this thread, on the photos thread and on the Manila thread. Check them out.
Great report Fedex, but what about a few pics?
LoveAsianWhores
11-23-08, 05:45
Just got back from a couple of days of R&R in AC. The big event this weekend was the Grand Opening Of Golden Nile. I am sure most of you guys have passed by the place. That huge club with the big "Bad Influence Dancers" sign up front.
The place sure does not disappoint. A Very nicely appointed club with great lights and sound. Similar to Blue Nile, but nicer and bigger. There was a great party atmosphere on Friday with some very good dance shows. I especially liked the teddy bear bit.
But really, who gives a fuck. There were guys in there wearing white suits like this was Vegas or something. For me, a club comes down to two simple things; How hot are the girls, and do they barfine. Well, I can certainly say that there are no issues in the hottie department. As a good a line up as you will find anywhere. Unfortunately, I had just barfined a girl from Neros and were barhopping there, so I counln't try out my luck. But the place is certainly on my must-hit list for next weekend. Hopefully it will be more like Blue Nile (been quite lucky there), and less like Atlantis (maybe I will find a girl there at least once before I die).
And one note on my girl from Neros. A sweet girl, but she needed some losening up. I bought her a tekila shot, and even though she didn't want to drink it, since it was a ladies drink, she had no choice. I then bought her a Margarita, same story.
Back in the hotel room, she told me she was one month pregnant. I put the scare into her by telling her that she will have a deformed baby if she keeps drinking. These girls may not care about much, but having a healthy baby is right at the top of their priorities. And I learned something new as well. Next time a girl turns down a tequila shot, I'll ask her if she is pregnent before I force her to drink it.
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El Minetero
11-23-08, 07:17
'I discovered later they had used my razor and toothbrush'.
Both of which are good ways to transfer viruses, especially razors. I buy a bunch of cheap tooth brushes and disposable razors, put one of each (per girl) in the bathroom, and direct their attention to them.
KT
hello to all,
To many chick and little time on the weekend only.lm back in angeles from my boring european busines trip.Good thing ,l wont need any V or C right now.When you at the airport, just walk out, turn left and walk towards the yellow cabs.Its the best way to get a new comfortable ride to your place without any stress.l have to say that things improving here.l got my luggage at first while flying on business to Manila.Btw, dont joke with the imigration bitches,keep your humor for the pretty girls outside.Weather here in Angeles is very good and cool. Due jetlag l walked along fields around 1pm, leaving my regular lady in my room.Went to roadhouse and what can l say?My visits over there are short but intense :)
If you need some medicine to buy after midnight l advise you to buy it at JJ supermarket, the one near Margaritha station.
Prices for sm light vary from 75 to 85p on fields.Perimeter bars are cheaper.I went to vodoo on the afternoon and the deal is, if the doorgirl hand you out a small promo paper you will get your secound drink free. Finally the golden Nile is open, while Cambodia was closed due reconstruction. l will check out Blue nile and others later after l get rid of my stalker Gf and my other date who wants to meet with her auntie.
Sitting at Shanos now while typing this. Great food, draft beer.
Lg, life is good
Blink
'I discovered later they had used my razor and toothbrush'.
Both of which are good ways to transfer viruses, especially razors. I buy a bunch of cheap tooth brushes and disposable razors, put one of each (per girl) in the bathroom, and direct their attention to them.
KT
The first thing I do when I arrive in country is buy a Sim/load for my cell and grab a handful of cheap tooth brushes. When at the hotel, I never leave my tooth brush in plain view in the bathroom. Instead, I open one of the cheap ones and leave that there along with one still in the package. I was surprised at how many girls would not use the items unless you specifically pointed them out for them.
Yella Man
Primo Bolan
11-24-08, 09:44
[QUOTE=StillBike rental is far better than a trike and when you bar hop in evening make sure you leave bike in safe secure place. Use bike for daytime exploration.[/QUOTE]Stay away from the motorbikes!
P
Finally had my November trip to AC, successful as usual. :D
To mention is a 4some I had as an afternoon pleasure,
burnt a nearly 4,000ps hole in my pocket, but worth every Centavo.
Otherwise business as usual, the 4days-diary:
BBBJ in afternoon, one girl frm Easy Beaver LT,
one from Body Shop LT, (I like shopping there....)
afternoon 4some and at night totally drunken no LT,
one girl from Dollhouse LT.
Flight home.
Stayed in my decent hotel I'm used to, it's average in the 30USD range and near Fields,
but for my Christmas trip I'll stay again in Lewis Grand.
Since my Xmas-trip is more than 10 days, I wanna have it nice and neat.
Back to work now.... :(
Cheers!
Safety.... @Wizzy
IMHO is Angeles one of the safest mongering places.
And I think I've seen them all from Dolly's via K11 to Sonagachi.
With a bit common sense you'll be fine.
AsianLover2
11-24-08, 19:07
I am not the most creative writer but thought I would post my 27th visit in 5 years to AC. Lots of changes to AC in 5 years. But the reason to visit is still the same
Arrived at Manila a Friday morning and taxied to AC. I always stay at the Wild Orchid since switching from the Orchid Inn when the Wild Orchid opened. Very safe and convienent location. The food is pretty good too.
Hit the Dollhouse and said Hi to my friends and barfined for the afternoon a regular. Great BBBJ and mish to take the edge off. Sent her home at 6 pm to get ready for a new chat girl I was meeting.
She arrived with the usual 'cousin' in tow. Checked their ID's. (I had the guards at the hotel check it so she would not think I did not trust her).
She looked great and although I am not a 'susus man'. She has a set of b/c cups. No kids either so they are firm and point straight out.
Had dinner and then went clubbing. Sent the cousin home and back to the hotel about 11 pm. Back in the room we showered and got in bed. UH OH. She was shy and did not want to kiss and was tickleish.
Hmmm. Thought I would send her home and go bar fine a hottie. But I was tired from the flight and my afternoon girl was great.
Then I got a call from thre USA with a work question from a co-worker. Before we hung up he asked how is was going with the chat girl. I said " well. Not too good. Have to see". I knew she was listening and could tell she really liked me. When I hung up and rolled over on my right side. She rolled over and faced me and gave me a bear hug. Next thing I know she is giving me a hand job. I slipped on a condom and banged her. Wierd. Still no kissing but got to massage the C's.
In the morning I got her again.
Sent her home after a Sat afternoon of swimming.
Went clubbing Sat night to say Hi to friends and ended up at Blue Nile. BF'd a tall hottie. Great body and but just average cute. No BJ but got a 'before and after sleep' boom boom. Not bad but very business like. Would not barfine again.
Sunday I take a GF to Cebu for a few days. Stayed at the Shangri-la in Mactan. Pricey for PHILS but a 5 star with private beach. Snorkeling was excellent. Jetski and parasailing too. Had great sex with the GF for 3 days.
Sent the GF home on Wed and back to AC for some WED night clubbing.
Caught the Doll House body painting show. Don't usually pay the 3000P for a 'spot light' girl but 1 of them just appealed to me that night. She was very good. BBBJ, Y dining. She was fun. As I rolled to my left to get a condom and turned back. She was on all fours!
She left after breakfast and I had a friend meet me about noon. She use to work in the Dollhouse club about 1 year ago as a cultural dancer. But no more. Took her to SM shopping. I always take 'GFs" shopping for household stuff and maybe perfume or jeans. Great GFE sex with her. BBBJ(started in the shower) and mish. What a dark cutie she is. Sent her home about 6 pm.
Thursday night was another "GF" that does not work in a club anymore. She is a real hottie (caledar girl) that now works a regular job. Lucky her family has a house and am employed father so required money is minimal. Had another night of GFE except no BJ. But what a sweetheart.
Had breakfast and sent her home. Time for afternoon clubbing. When to Geckos. Opens at 2PM. BF'd 2 for an afternoon of swimming and sex. BBBJ from 1 and boom boom from the other. BBBJ girl hid in the cr. LOL.
Sent them home and had to get ready for my last night in paradise. Hit a few clubs and ended up in Atlantis. 500 girls and at first I did not see anyone that caught my eye. Then saw 1 that just looked tasty. Of course a 3000P. Geezz. Oh well. My last night.
She was actually very nice to hang with. She was taking a break from college to save up. Nice conversation and excellent GFE sex. BBBJ and several postions. She gave me a nice good morning roll in bed too.
Then Saturday as I was starting to pack for my later afternoon trip to Manila airport. The chat girl calls me. She wants to see me again before I leave. She arrives and has lunch.
I have to say I was pretty well spent and was going to take a sex break. But what do you know. The chat girl says she really likes me and now feels comfortable. She gives me a kiss and throws her tongue down my throat. Now we are gettgin somewhere!
Showered together and then hit the sack. Kissing, touching, handjob and mish. Still no BJ. Yet.
Taxied to Manila Sat night and flew home. Another great week in paradise and time for PPD(Post Philippine Depression for the new visitors here). Only way I know how to ease it is to book my next trip.
February 2009. Hotel and airline flight are booked.
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Hi,
I will be heading to AC soon (first time)and was wondering if there are any discos where say some of the working girls or newbies may go for fun and may hook up with someone they have fun with. P4 P of coarse?
Darth Sushi the last time I was in AC was in March and there was tourist police everywhere so I felt pretty safe but I had read on another site that they had gotten rid of the tourist police. Do you know if that's the case?
Yes the Tourist Police have been eliminated as of a few months ago, so there is a significant amount less of police presence on Fields ave since that time. On more than a few days each week, the Police no longer block off Fields ave to vehicles.
Day 3 in Angeles - I LOVE this place!!!
The days pass slow until the action starts at night, but if you are lodging at the Pacific Breeze, you can relax by the pool, swim a few laps, ogle the young hot waitresses and the working girls who accompany old guys, etc.
Breakfast as usual at the Lanai restaurant overlooking the pool, then internet cafe to check what's goin' on and catch up on other things, lunch and back to the hotel, pool, etc.
Today my buddy Mike & me decided to check Perimeter Road by foot around 4:00pm. Strolled about 30 minutes from Fields Avenue and then turned back. There were 3 small bars on a unpaved side street, one of them named Sweety's. The girls outside were yelling at us to come in. We started at Sweety's, which was the furthest from the main road. About 10 girls on stage, nothing interesting.
We excused ourselves and moved next door. About 15 girls danced on the stage and a minute later, we were attacked by 3 girls each. Two were stroking Mr. Wood and another, on my lap, was flashing her tits, taking my hand and placing it on her nipples... These girls were desperate...
It was hard to do, but we excused ourselves again, went to the 3rd bar, where the scene repeated and left.
On the way we passed "Last Stand Bar" with its funny sign: "Warm beer, Ugly chicks, but we are open!" or something to that effect....
Back to the room, shower and shave and we hit Fields around 6:30 (I had an 8:00pm appointment with Miss 19 from 2 days ago, which I was very excited about). So I joined Mike to help him find some true love for the night...LOL
After hopping a few bars, we entered Lolipop. We sat on the sofa and watched about about 30 girls on stage and around the bar. Some were really cute. One, very brown-skinned, with a huge smile (I like them like that) and long black hair that went all the way down to her tush, asked if she can sit next to me. I said sure, but I told her that I was already set for that night. She was fine with that and we started chatting.
She was an old lady in AC terms: 31 years old (with a 13 year old daughter at home in the province). She has just arrived AC 2 nights before (The most common AC lie: "This is my first night here"... LOL), but she did not lie, as I found out later. Very sweet personality. I told her that for the next night - my last one at AC - I am looking for a 3-holer, i.e. back door fun and she said she could provide it...
Asked her if she French-kissed and she put a hand to hide our faces from the rest of the crowd and started dfk'ing me. Very nice and sensual - me likeee! Told her that if my date tonite soured on me, I will come back for her and if not, I will come back tomorrow. This rewarded me with some more dfk behind the hand...
Mike, at the same time, spent some time talking with a girl, until he found out she was a cherry girl (i.e. virgin with a limited menu)... So he sent her on her way and talked to others.
Around 7:15, we moved to Rhapsody - I wanted to be there early, so Miss 19 doesn't get too occupied. She arrived there at the same time and came over to give me a big hug. I bought her a drink and as me and Mike sat on the stools, she was dancing to the music, rubbing on me, giving me her million dollar shy smile and I was just adoring her knock-out body. We chatted for a while and she asked if I don't mind spending some time there, coz she wanted to dance. Friday nights are the times when she likes to dance and have fun. Sure! I could watch her dance for hours, with the tight jeans, a short shirt revealing her amazing abs and wrapped nicely around her boobs, and the sexy way she was dancing, I had no objection whatsoever.
The music was good, mostly oldies, and at some time I joined her on the dance floor and showing some moves of my own... We were having so much fun, we spent about 3 hours at the bar...
Mike, in the meantime, hooked up with shy Nica - a knock-out sweet girl with glasses and great personality, which he ended taking to the room for a night full of passion. He posted her pics somewhere here or in the photo section. A real hottie!
We got to the room around 10:00 and 19 figured out that she needed to buy a toothbrush and another thing at the pharmacy. I offered to join her, but she wanted to go by herself. No problem.
It took her 45 minutes to come back, coz one place was closed and the other was further down the road. Whatever.
We started the main course around 11:00 and I was in heaven again when she rode me CG - again the best CG ever and she was so sexy to look at. When we finished round #1 at midnight, I asked her if she wanted to use the shower first and she told me to go in first. When I came our 3 minutes later, she was sleeping deeply. Oh well...
The next morning I was treated to another round of passionate love-making ("why didn't you wake me up last night?") and then I invited her to breakfast at the Lanai Restaurant. We spent two hours chatting over breakfast, then went back to the room for more chatting and cuddling. She was going back home to see her 18 month old baby after her first - and maybe her last - 3 week stint in AC. We exchanged e-mails and she asked me to stay in touch (but she did not reply to any of my e-mails since, not even a thank you for e-mailing her a few photos...).
She said - if we meet again, maybe in 3 years, after she finished her high school and hospitality school - we will meet as friends, no sex will be involved. I said - sure, but you still owe me round 2 from last night when you fell asleep too early... We both had a good laugh and around noon I sent her on her way...
Luckily, I am an experienced monger, otherwise I could have easily fallen for her. She was the highlight of my trip, but all good things come to an end.
Coming soon: Day 7 (last one at AC): A 3-holer for the grand finale at AC.
100P to go the 100 meters from Jollibee to SM is one of the worst abuses I've heard, but even the locals get fleeced by the Trike Mafia. Take jeepneys and walk to avoid giving a Piso to these cunts. If your girl is too lazy to walk it is unlikely she has a toned body anyway.
Taxis in AC are the biggest rip in the PI also; 300P from the airport for a ride taht would cost 50 in Manila, Cebu, Davao etc. That rip off is harder to avoid (unless you REALLY want to wait until a jeep fills at airport), gut except for trips with luggage and away from Balibago (or if a MAJOR rainstyorm) no reason to use the trikes ever.
As an expat living in the phils I am too familiar with this crap. In this case my girl is superbly fit but was dressed to the nines in LBD & killer heels.. We were on out way out to start a nice evening. Just seemed such a mood killer to force her to walk across that busy road & across the jeepney terminal dressed like that. I haggled with the driver in English & Tagalog & then my girl ripped into him in Pampangan to no avail.
Rather than spoil the evening I let it slide, which I'm sure that was what he was counting on.
I did make a point after that of telling every trike driver who offered a ride 'NO! You charge to much!' Once bitten, twice shy..
Last week back in Malate one night I needed a ride from Robisons to Qurino LRT station. Pedicab driver demanded p80. I declined & he abused me telling to go back to my own country. I stepped away from him, hailed a modern clean aircon taxi which charged me p60 for the trip instead. Honestly these trike drivers & pedicab guys are so stupid..
AV
HornyGeorge
11-25-08, 23:11
Amavida: I understand your dilema (but I STILL would have asked her nicely if she minded walking explaining I was not kuripot but it was the principle of paying those vermin).
Like you noted, many times a MF will refuse to budge from a ridiculous price (and this happens to Pinoys who are not savvy believe me). But there is ALWAYS another taxi or trike who will take the real fare (although in AC the "real" fare is a ripoff too). Many taxi drivers will insist on fixed fare then will sit empty while people get others who will use meter.
Fedex: PB rents laptops for $5 a day and it is MUCH better to surf the web in your room than a cafe (except at 3am when they are filled with BGs just off duty on YM or Friendster).
Want to avoid barfines without the police risk of freelancers: get a BG who just finished her shift and is going home alone. Often they are still drunk from LDs somebody else bought them.
300P from the airport for a ride taht would cost 50 in Manila, Cebu, Davao etc. That rip off is harder to avoid
If you have light luggage only and the weather is fine, it's an easy 5 minutes walk out of the airport as I do it always.
I've never waited longer than 5 or 10 minutes for a jeepney, pay my 11ps nowadays and another 10 minutes later I'm at the Maingate.
Cheers!
I was in Phil last year, had a great time traveling and seeing places, in February I will be there for 32 days. Wow can't wait. Never been in Angeles, sounds like a great place, I will be there for 7 days. Can't wait. Anyways. I am going to wear a sign "Barfine only 2 pesos". Lets see if I can be the first guy to be barfined by a lady. Hahahaha
Candyman2005
11-26-08, 19:33
Hi,
I will be heading to AC soon (first time)and was wondering if there are any discos where say some of the working girls or newbies may go for fun and may hook up with someone they have fun with. P4 P of coarse?The main discos in AC are sky tracs which charges an entry fee of 120p on some nights. Then there is the R&B disco which is further down perimeter road which has a live band. The other one which is about to take the crown of being the top disco bar in AC is Klub Class which has just been re-modeled. This bar has added a state of the art sound system and also will now begin having live bands and videoke. Klub Class and Sky Trax are about 4 doors down from each other so you can check them both out. The advantage of the two discos are you meet the stray bar girls who are off or just out having fun and looking for a playmate.
I did not go to Club Klass last month when there. But in my past visits there It had a small dance floor and very small in size. I would think to be the #1 night club in a. C. It would have to have more space for patrons and a larger dance floor. Have you seen the inside? I would be interested in the changes that were done. Also the Papason is actually a young irish man about 32 years old is he still there as well?
Take care
Jim Nelson
11-27-08, 08:20
Saw a cadre of some of the cutest girls at the Blue Nile last week, dressed in street clothing as if bar fined. (which I assumed they were) until I started chatting one up one of them, and she claimed in fact she was NOT barfined.
After some small talk and a trip to Klub Klass we ended up back at PB. (no bar fine paid by me) I just suggested that we leave BN and she left with me. Nobody blinked an eye. No time clock punch out nothing.
What is up with these girls? Upon asking the Mama san. She would not give me a straight answer.
I know that they are employees of Blue Nile, as I have seen them dancing there before.
Is this the case of a REGULAR BARFINE and the girls only work when the feel like it? I. E. Have sponser? Freelancer?
I don't get it.
Fast Eddie 48
11-27-08, 08:31
The main discos in AC are sky tracs which charges an entry fee of 120p on some nights. Then there is the R&B disco which is further down perimeter road which has a live band. The other one which is about to take the crown of being the top disco bar in AC is Klub Class which has just been re-modeled. This bar has added a state of the art sound system and also will now begin having live bands and videoke. Klub Class and Sky Trax are about 4 doors down from each other so you can check them both out. The advantage of the two discos are you meet the stray bar girls who are off or just out having fun and looking for a playmate.Candy man,
to candyman
There is a big disco on MCarthur bivd across the st from the Pagore casino.
I went there at 10 pm Not too many girls.Most girls asked for 1500 -2000 peso,I laugh at them Why go to disco unless you like to dance,Just go to the bar at Field, You get all p4p you want for 1200 peso all night .
Fast eddie 48
I did not go to Club Klass last month when there. But in my past visits there It had a small dance floor and very small in size. I would think to be the #1 night club in a. C. It would have to have more space for patrons and a larger dance floor. Have you seen the inside? I would be interested in the changes that were done. Also the Papason is actually a young irish man about 32 years old is he still there as well?
Take care
Hi,
robin works now in bodyshop with the other crazy guy, hehehehe..
At least that was six weeks ago, have to get back there by tomorow if Im still able, because Im allways busy in AC.
Blink
Are the buses from Pasay Bus Terminal running late night to Dao?
(Victory or Five Stars)
Due to the instability in Thailand I am going to change my mongering trip to the Philippines. Given I will be leaving this Friday I am trying to quickly read all the posts so I know where to go in the Philippines, how much for the girls etc.
Can anyone share a post that gives a good guide for Philippines newbies? I dont know where to fly into, what city to go to etc.
Thanks. I hope the people of Thailand are able to work things out as this situation there is hurting their economy terribly.
Member #4214
11-28-08, 22:10
Due to the instability in Thailand I am going to change my mongering trip to the Philippines. Given I will be leaving this Friday I am trying to quickly read all the posts so ...
Interesting. I suspect many mongers will be doing exactly as you are, and that Phils will be a little busier for a short while as a result ...
HornyGeorge
11-28-08, 23:22
Indeed loads of Thai travelers are busy trying to look for alternate venues over the holidays and I GREATLY fear that a huge proportion will descend on the PI.
As poorly behaved as most farang are in Thailand, the Filipinos will almost certainly welcome them (and their pockets full of Pounds and Euros) and the infusion of foreign currency should help the economy. So this sounds great.
For foreigners who love the Philippines partly because of the lack of the throngs that clog Thailand every winter, this development is ominous. Flights into the country before Pasko have always been pricey and heavily booked but this year will likely be the worst ever. Ditto hotels.
While I booked mine several months ago, and will not be going to popular tourist destinations this trip, I am still concerned that many of them may realize what we regulars learned long ago (that Filipinos are much friendlier than Thais, and that groups of drunken, obnoxious foreigners are very rare in the PI outside Angeles).
Worst affected of all will be Angeles. Given that supply and demand affects prices even in the PI, I would expect price increases across the board and less welcoming attitudes in what will be a seller's market for the girls.
I worry the increase in tourists going to the PI will NOT be shortlived at all as I expect the damage to Thailand's reputation as a safe place to take holidays/vacations will take YEARS to reestablish. Hardcore mongers will not be deterred, of course, but the families and less hardened types that make up the majority of visitors to the Kingdom (sex tourists are but a sliver of the total contrary to popular perception) will not return so soon.
To the original poster I would add that there are several good sources but think it is not allowed to mention other websites on here. Google Philippines and nightlife and I think you'll find what you seek. The Margaritaville newsletter is certainly a good place to start.
Like most mongers, I've never gone out at night to the actual city part of Angeles City - only a bit of shopping at the mall and Nepo Mart during the daytime.
It's a pretty easy jeepney ride to the city proper and also it's in trike distance (although like most here I avoid trikes on principle).
I can imagine there would not be many foreigners in the city at night and the city is full of "regular" educated girls who may like something different from the normal local guy.
Has anyone gone out at night in the city proper and found a good regular club, not P4P girls? I'm sure there would be some good nightspots and restaurants in the city proper, just never thought of going there at night when there's Fields right outside.
to candyman
There is a big disco on MCarthur bivd across the st from the Pagore casino.
I went there at 10 pm Not too many girls.Most girls asked for 1500 -2000 peso,I laugh at them Why go to disco unless you like to dance,Just go to the bar at Field, You get all p4p you want for 1200 peso all night .
Mongering1
11-29-08, 00:14
Are the buses from Pasay Bus Terminal running late night to Dao?
(Victory or Five Stars)
Yes, both ways are 24 hours.
When planning this 10 days trip, my buddy Mike and me booked 3 nights in Manila and 3 nights in AC. We left the rest of the days open.
Glad we did, coz we wanted to stay an extra night in AC. But Pacific Breeze - which had us on the waiting list for 2 days - was fully booked for that extra day (Saturday), so we couldn't stay in that fine hotel. PB staff helped us book the Swiss Chalet across the street.
Big difference and not worth the reduced rate of $31/night IMHO. Smell of mold in the room, TV remote not working (they gave me another), hot water problem in the shower (they fixed it somewhat, but then there was hardly any pressure when you got your desired temperature), etc.
However, for one night, we couldn't complain.
After passing the daylight hours somehow (miss 19 was with me almost until noon), we went on the prowl around 6:30pm. I wanted the 31 y.o. 3-holer from Lolipop, but started the evening with my buddy in Atlantis, where we experienced a very drunk Australian guy - accompanied by 4 of his friends - giving men a bad name (Sorry - nothing against Australians, just reporting what we saw).
These 5 guys strolled in with 3 local girls in tow. 2 of the girls were stunning (one in denim pants and one in a denim mini skirt). The extremely drunk guy went on the stage and danced with the girls, then turned his back to the audience, unzipped his shorts and exposed himself to the girls. 2 minutes later, a security guy was asking him to zip up and stop doing what he was doing. That Aussie needed the help of 2 friends to get off the dancing floor. He then immediately positioned himself behind the ass of the denim pants girl and started humping her Doggie Style. She acted her part, and then he flashed his tiny, limp dick again. Just disgusting!
Later on he was talking to some of his friends and all of a sudden he started fingering the girl in the denim pants if full view of everyone.
We have had enough and moved on. Later in the evening we entered Lolipop. My 31 y.o. from yesterday was coming to greet me with the sweetest and largest smile lighting up her brown frame. We hugged & kissed, then sat down and I bought her a lady drink. She was very sweet and grateful, as we talked for a bit. As previously reported, she said she was there only 3 days. The first night she did not get barfined, second night a drunk white guy just wanted a bj and she said she did not have sex for over than a year. Her enthusiasm in bed later may have proved her right... We were off to the hotel shortly thereafter.
After showering, she came to the bed, and although her small boobs sagged a bit, she was a total gfe cutie. Dark brown skin, great smile, excellent attitude and long black hair all the way to her tush. Very passionate kisser, too. Just what the doctor ordered.
We started with some foreplay, then I went down to the "Y", where she popped once. A bit of mish, then it was time for some anal. I pulled the astro-glide lubricant I had with me and we tried it with her on her back (my favorite anal position, where I can watch myself pound hole #3 while fingering hole #2). But this angle didn't work for her, so she positioned herself for anal standing doggie, asking me to be gentle. I took my time and was very gentle, always checking with her and getting her approval to continue. She enjoyed it and was rubbing her clit.
But after 10 minutes or so, the visual got a bit boring for me, so I pulled out, changed to another condom and popped in mish. Cleaning, kissing, cuddling and 15 minutes later we started round 2.
I let her ride me CG after a good bbbj, when she suddenly laid flat on top of me, sliding up and down. This casused my shaft to get in and out of her kitty lips, which was very sensual for me and extremely hot for her. She popped very quickly in that position.
We went to sleep after round 2 and when we woke up I asked her how she was doing. In the most sincere way, she said: "My butt hurts!" So cute - I had to hold back a huge smile, though...
Had another similar round after that (with her flat on top) and that was it for AC. With a heavy heart it was time to go back to Manila.
Coming soon: reuniting with my MNL freebie after 4 days away and introducing her to DATY for the first time in her life...
Note: The next report will be posted on the Manila board.
Saw a cadre of some of the cutest girls at the Blue Nile last week, dressed in street clothing as if bar fined. (which I assumed they were) until I started chatting one up one of them, and she claimed in fact she was NOT barfined.
After some small talk and a trip to Klub Klass we ended up back at PB. (no bar fine paid by me) I just suggested that we leave BN and she left with me. Nobody blinked an eye. No time clock punch out nothing.
What is up with these girls? Upon asking the Mama san. She would not give me a straight answer.
I know that they are employees of Blue Nile, as I have seen them dancing there before.
Is this the case of a REGULAR BARFINE and the girls only work when the feel like it? I. E. Have sponser? Freelancer?
I don't get it.I suspect your instincts are right.
In my experience BG's who have suckered a guy into supporting them (ie. to get them out of the bar's) do return for fun/profit unbeknown to the poor sap(s) sending them money.
There is two ways a BG can handle a sponsor. First way is to tell him he needs to pay an exit barfine for her to leave without attracting the ire of her mamasan. This is illegal. Some girls are so inexperienced they accept this BS from a mamasan, others are battle hardened but happy to go along with the demand of the mamasan because they are in it for the money anyway.
The second way is she just leaves the bar, gets berated & told never to come back etc. Then some time later during her 'sponsorship' she gets bored & is actively recruited by the same or other mamasan & welcomed back with open arms on the sly to the dope supporting her. Often they do this part time until dopey runs out of money or loses interest. Then they return to the bar fresh & ready to start all over again.
On a side note Im fascinated by the financial side of the business. Experienced girls always evade the question but I got a freshie from Body Shop the other day tell me that of the p1200 you pay to the bar for a night of passion, the girl gets 50%. She gets free accommodation on site at the rear of the bar. Throw in a tip from the monger. Multiply by a couple of bar fines a week & she is doing very nicely thank you compared to her square cousins slaving away in regular jobs.
The girls come to AC fresh & inexperienced & innocent. If they stay they change.. the longer they stay the more they change... into hustlers.
I always tell guys, no matter how nice a bar girl is, if you want a GF get a non P4P girl. BG's will break you heart & your wallet.
AV
On a side note Im fascinated by the financial side of the business. Experienced girls always evade the question but I got a freshie from Body Shop the other day tell me that of the p1200 you pay to the bar for a night of passion, the girl gets 50%. She gets free accommodation on site at the rear of the bar. Throw in a tip from the monger. Multiply by a couple of bar fines a week & she is doing very nicely thank you compared to her square cousins slaving away in regular jobs.
Let's not forget to add the LDs, pushy girls can do good money on this..
I'm also fascinated by the economics of whoring and to me it seems that the monetary difference between a regular job and sexwork is smaller in PI, than in many other countries.
A girl working at SM is paid a bit under P 300 for a day's work, while the typical AC dancer will get P 100+ per day plus around P 600 IF she barfines (LD cut/tip optional). In China girls are reportedly slaving away in toy factories for as little as US $ 0.20/hr, still a quick pop at LHL is RMB 200, ie two weeks' earnings for a shopgirl. I don't know if I'm missing something, but to me the relative premium for Chinese pussy seems higher..
On a side note Im fascinated by the financial side of the business. Experienced girls always evade the question but I got a freshie from Body Shop the other day tell me that of the p1200 you pay to the bar for a night of passion, the girl gets 50%. She gets free accommodation on site at the rear of the bar. Throw in a tip from the monger. Multiply by a couple of bar fines a week & she is doing very nicely thank you compared to her square cousins slaving away in regular jobs.
On a sidenote AMAVIDA, what are the average earnings of a Pinay in the service industry or banking etc. I am fascinated as to how much more they can get in HK or Singapore on a 14 or a 30 day visa.
Thanks
Wizard
A little birdy just told me barfines have gone up from 1300 peso to 1400 peso, can anyone confirm this?
what are the average earnings of a Pinay in the service industry or banking etc.
Not directed at me but I'll volonteer my 2 c ;)
Most service jobs in Phils are paid the minimum wage which in AC would be P280 something, certain jobs may have added bonuses or incentives, yet again many employers will actually pay LESS than minimum wage, or require that they put in 12 hours work for those 280..or even less.. It's a buyers market.
I am fascinated as to how much more they can get in HK or Singapore on a 14 or a 30 day visa.
Figuring in the opportunity cost (air ticket, accomodation, and not to forget P 1620 travel tax) it may or may not be a profitable venture. It all depends on the number of "costumers" and how much they will, on average, part with.
As I understand it, some girls will also have additional costs for agents etc..
Yogibear69
11-29-08, 10:58
Are the buses from Pasay Bus Terminal running late night to Dao?
(Victory or Five Stars)I'm not sure what you mean by late at night, but I have taken buses from both these terminals to Dao several times. The Victory has a web page with phone number for you to contact for schedule information.
Darth Sushi
11-29-08, 11:09
A little birdy just told me barfines have gone up from 1300 peso to 1400 peso, can anyone confirm this?
It varies from club to club. There is no fixed price for all. Some still charge 1000 while another is still 1100. I've also been quoted 1400, 1500, and 3000 this month alone. Pretty girls (or girls popular with Koreans) can command more from their mamasan so don't be surprised if you have different prices in the same club.
On a sidenote AMAVIDA, what are the average earnings of a Pinay in the service industry or banking etc. I am fascinated as to how much more they can get in HK or Singapore on a 14 or a 30 day visa.
Thanks
Wizard
Wizard, I know a few who go there.
After ticket, mostly agent or guarantor, daily accomodation (tons of girls in one room), and sometimes some sharing of the income many actually go back with a negative balamce, the nice agent gives them some advance and they HAVE to come back .... or will be visited at home.
Only some are actually making some money, they are going something like 2 weeks every 2 months and can live on it with the family.
Mike
. . . it seems that the monetary difference between a regular job and sexwork is smaller in PI, than in many other countries.Good point, one I'd never quite thought of. But then often the functional difference is quite a bit less too!
I GREATLY fear that a huge proportion will descend on the PI.George, if it's that much of a concern to you, how about a contrarian approach: try spending some of the peak season in Thailand yourself. I'm in Pattaya now, where already there is refreshing lack of incoming yobs. And if friendliness is a concern, believe me, the girls are getting friendlier (and hungrier) by the day.
On a sidenote AMAVIDA, what are the average earnings of a Pinay in the service industry or banking etc. I am fascinated as to how much more they can get in HK or Singapore on a 14 or a 30 day visa.
Thanks
WizardAnywhere from P3K to P8k per month depending on the job. They still have remittance to family, rent, utilities, food transport, clothing, laundry etc etc. There is intense competition for jobs & she works brutal hours.
Contrast this to the BG in AC who is getting P9k a month without really trying, free accommodation in the bar dorm (or customers hotel room), no utilities bill, free food from customer, free drinks from customer. Clothing? a bikini, a blouse & pair of hot pants.. She sleeps all day, lounges around a bar in the evening for an hour or two then spends the night on her back in a nice hotel... Discretionary expenses for BG? Internet cafe fees to extract remittances from her various BF's.. Income doubling potential high so very worthwhile :)
Which job would you take if you had a vagina & passable looks?
AV
George, if it's that much of a concern to you, how about a contrarian approach: try spending some of the peak season in Thailand yourself. I'm in Pattaya now, where already there is refreshing lack of incoming yobs. And if friendliness is a concern, believe me, the girls are getting friendlier (and hungrier) by the day.I thought of this myself but with BOTH international airports still closed by protesters I'm not sure if its worth the risk/hassle. If you're already there then sure, enjoy it while it lasts. My concern is that if the problems go on too long then the girls will melt away & you will be left doing... what? To an outsider it looks like a more major problem brewing for the government in LOS than usual.
It is a great shame that PI will be inundated with displaced LOS mongers this xmass. I always avoid the peak times anyway. This year its likely to be intolerable Very likely adversely affect the local prices.
Not to mention the upsurge in VD's.
Some mongers will stay home rather than make the trip, I wonder how many? Probably not that many. The sex drive is very strong..
AV
AV - you are right on the money.
I spoke to some girls at Pacific Breeze and the waitresses make 300p per day (tips not included). I think front desk girls earn the same.
Barfines I paid in early November were 1,200 - 1,350. One "superstar" in Atlantis quoted me 3,000p, which I, of course, declined.
The girls do get 50% of the BF plus about 50% of the lady drinks and are being paid - in one bar, at least - 140p per day.
They have the right to refuse any customer who wants to barfine them, but some of them don't get barfined for
3 - 4 weeks!
To an outsider it looks like a more major problem brewing for the government in LOS than usual.To us insiders too! But for any experienced SE Asia traveler it's still easy enough to get to Thailand -- overland from Phnom Penh or KL or Vientiane, or fly into Phuket or Chiangmai. The high-season crowds of working girls haven't gone home yet (though they're grumbling about it) and there's a huge supply of hotel rooms at giveaway prices. So worth thinking about anyhow. I'm not any keener on the Pattaya lowlife invading AC than you guys are, but it's just ironic that the best place to avoid them this year might be . . . Pattaya.
A little birdy just told me barfines have gone up from 1300 peso to 1400 peso, can anyone confirm this?
Most Fields ave bars are P1350 (and have been for months now), there are of course exceptions, such as Body Shop (on real st, street behind fields) that is P1199, Rhapsody and La Bamba @ P1200, Golden Nile @ P1500 and P2,000, Bar Hoppin bar @ P1,400, Doll house, Atlantis, Crystal Palace and Tropix have the tiered system, P1300 for regular, P1500 door girls, and P3000 for "spotlight" dancers and a few others.
Most Fields ave bars are P1350 (and have been for months now), there are of course exceptions, such as Body Shop (on real st, street behind fields) that is P1199, Rhapsody and La Bamba @ P1200, Golden Nile @ P1500 and P2,000, Bar Hoppin bar @ P1,400, Doll house, Atlantis, Crystal Palace and Tropix have the tiered system, P1300 for regular, P1500 door girls, and P3000 for "spotlight" dancers and a few others.
Doll house, Atlantis, Crystal Palace and Tropic are all part of the same group so tier system was to be expected, as for the other bars I didn't realise how much difference their was between bars on Field.
I chat to a girl in Bunny Ranch and she said barfines have gone up 100 peso there.
Thanks to all for the update.
Most Fields ave bars are P1350 (and have been for months now), there are of course exceptions, such as Body Shop (on real st, street behind fields) that is P1199, Rhapsody and La Bamba @ P1200, Golden Nile @ P1500 and P2,000, Bar Hoppin bar @ P1,400, Doll house, Atlantis, Crystal Palace and Tropix have the tiered system, P1300 for regular, P1500 door girls, and P3000 for "spotlight" dancers and a few others.
The Bar Fine in Brass Knobe is P1000. Just Came back will be updating my reports and pictures soon
Wander Luster
12-07-08, 03:22
Wizard, I know a few who go there.
After ticket, mostly agent or guarantor, daily accomodation (tons of girls in one room), and sometimes some sharing of the income many actually go back with a negative balamce, the nice agent gives them some advance and they HAVE to come back .... or will be visited at home.
Only some are actually making some money, they are going something like 2 weeks every 2 months and can live on it with the family.
Mike
I've always had a fantasy of being an something like an "agent"-- but only in a totally fair way. I'm American, used to own a small company in PH, and always seem to get better "rock star" status there then other expats I know. Girls seem to trust me. I'm a "nice guy". I don't lack social skills.
I've posted this elsewhere, but do any of you know of any guys that would pay for 3 or 4 girls flight to Japan or Korea or Shanghai. Then act as there "promoter?" Kinda like an escort service with no home base?
What about the tourist spots like Boracay? No P4P their but much demand.
Could go to tourist spots (EG: nice bars) and say "this is my friend ...." If a guy is interested, tell him she's good to go as long as he can help out with some of her tuition money <smile> He knows this is a "cover" but everyone makes out well here. $100 given the quality of the girl and the scarcity in somewhere like boracay (same price as the high-end places in Cebu), 50% to girl, 50% to me. Set up 4 girls a night, $200X5 nights equals $1000.
Not a lot of money considering the risk. 8 girls?
This is really just a fantasy. BUT, what I'm really curious about is whether any of you have heard of "non local" guys doing this in SEA. Seems like a better alternative to starting a bar with girls...which has a huge failure rate.
Certainly PH girls do go to Singapore to work in bars.
There is a huge expat nightlife area in Tokyo (er, Yakuza could be a problem) . Are there Filipiinos there? Who helps them get set up if they are freelance and how does the system work?
Wizard, I know a few who go there.
After ticket, mostly agent or guarantor, daily accomodation (tons of girls in one room), and sometimes some sharing of the income many actually go back with a negative balamce, the nice agent gives them some advance and they HAVE to come back .... or will be visited at home.
Only some are actually making some money, they are going something like 2 weeks every 2 months and can live on it with the family.
Mike
Thanks for the info. I really thought that they would make a lot more money than that, as I would assume they would make about 1000 HK$ a night on average in wanchai from drinks and customers which is about 5 or 6 thousand peso a night or maybe I am overestimating their earning potential in a bar as they dont get a customer every night and not every night they get LD's but I suppose there is the 1500 HK$ flight and accomodation to consider.
Thanks for your help and information....
Wizard
Anywhere from P3K to P8k per month depending on the job. They still have remittance to family, rent, utilities, food transport, clothing, laundry etc etc. There is intense competition for jobs & she works brutal hours.
Contrast this to the BG in AC who is getting P9k a month without really trying, free accommodation in the bar dorm (or customers hotel room), no utilities bill, free food from customer, free drinks from customer. Clothing? a bikini, a blouse & pair of hot pants.. She sleeps all day, lounges around a bar in the evening for an hour or two then spends the night on her back in a nice hotel... Discretionary expenses for BG? Internet cafe fees to extract remittances from her various BF's.. Income doubling potential high so very worthwhile :)
Which job would you take if you had a vagina & passable looks?
AV
Thanks AV, although I wonder how many of them would really choose this line of work if they had other options but I do understand the lure of the $$$$ or peso in their cases.
Like I said in my other reply to Michi, I am surprised at the return or lack of for the girls that do go abroad but I never am in one city long enough to see if they get a customer every night or if they get LD's every night as well, but at the same time they must do OK as some come back more then once....
Thanks AV
Wizard
Yogibear69
12-07-08, 05:03
Thanks for the info. I really thought that they would make a lot more money than that, as I would assume they would make about 1000 HK$ a night on average in wanchai from drinks and customers which is about 5 or 6 thousand peso a night or maybe I am overestimating their earning potential in a bar as they dont get a customer every night and not every night they get LD's but I suppose there is the 1500 HK$ flight and accomodation to consider.
Thanks for your help and information....
WizardThe cousin (one of about 100 cousins) of my GF reports she averages 20,000 Peso/night working in Wanchai. I did not ask which bar. And now she can fly rnd from clark on Cebu Pacific for about 8,000p. That is alot more money than the girls can make working in Angeles. I really dont have any information as to who she has to pay off while working in HK. It appears to me that from a working girls point of view HK beats Angeles hands down. I would appreciate hearing more on this subject from somebody in the know.
Anywhere from P3K to P8k per month depending on the job. They still have remittance to family, rent, utilities, food transport, clothing, laundry etc etc. There is intense competition for jobs & she works brutal hours.
Contrast this to the BG in AC who is getting P9k a month without really trying, free accommodation in the bar dorm (or customers hotel room), no utilities bill, free food from customer, free drinks from customer. Clothing? a bikini, a blouse & pair of hot pants.. She sleeps all day, lounges around a bar in the evening for an hour or two then spends the night on her back in a nice hotel... Discretionary expenses for BG? Internet cafe fees to extract remittances from her various BF's.. Income doubling potential high so very worthwhile :)
Which job would you take if you had a vagina & passable looks?
AV
I don’t want to sound condescending but I think prostitution is still taking the easy way out. I know lot of Filipinas who are on their ass financially but wouldn’t dream of laying down with strange men for money. To me it’s like the young black guys in the “hood” where I grew up saying they need to sale drugs because the “man” left them no other option it's a cop out…..
GoodEnough
12-07-08, 07:03
I don’t want to sound condescending but I think prostitution is still taking the easy way out. I know lot of Filipinas who are on their ass financially but wouldn’t dream of laying down with strange men for money. To me it’s like the young black guys in the “hood” where I grew up saying they need to sale drugs because the “man” left them no other option it's a cop out…..
Except that here, the girls live in an economy that produces almost no jobs, and none at all for those with degrees. Even the sales clerks on six month contracts in the department stores have degrees, and no stable employment, and more than 50% of the engineering graduates--at least in Mindanao--wind up working in call centers if they're lucky.
Many of these girls get knocked up very early in life by Filipino schmucks who promptly run away, leaving the girls to support the baby, themselves, and in many cases, younger siblings as well. With zero education and passable looks. P4P is a viable employment alternative and for many, the only alternative to sustaining their babies and themselves.
For some, hooking is doubtless the easy way out..that is, for those who have actual options. For others, no alternatives are available.
In either case, it seems slightly hypocritical on a board devoted to the pursuit of sex for money, to moralize about the girls who provide the services we all write about.
GE
Except that here, the girls live in an economy that produces almost no jobs, and none at all for those with degrees. Even the sales clerks on six month contracts in the department stores have degrees, and no stable employment, and more than 50% of the engineering graduates--at least in Mindanao--wind up working in call centers if they're lucky.
Many of these girls get knocked up very early in life by Filipino schmucks who promptly run away, leaving the girls to support the baby, themselves, and in many cases, younger siblings as well. With zero education and passable looks. P4P is a viable employment alternative and for many, the only alternative to sustaining their babies and themselves.
For some, hooking is doubtless the easy way out..that is, for those who have actual options. For others, no alternatives are available.
In either case, it seems slightly hypocritical on a board devoted to the pursuit of sex for money, to moralize about the girls who provide the services we all write about.
GE
I agree with Daddy Warbuks1 and GoodEnough, and is it hypocritical yes to the stage of being redicules, but keep in mind a little inside knowlidge I did gain from spending a number of nights with a Pinay in another Asian city a while back.
First no one chooses this line of work if they beleive they have other viable options and viable options for you and me might not be for a pinay that chooses this line of work.
I went bar hopping with my new GFE to the normal haunts and there was a very pretty filipina talking to a customer and I did ask how many LD's for him and she said 8 to numb my head.
I also asked her about some marks on her arms and hands and the reply shocked me "I get so drunk that I cant feel it until I wake up the next morning, so thats the only reason I know but I cant remember doing it."
So enjoy the fact that most filipinas will give you that GFE expirience especially from the freelance bars all over Asia as they really want/need to feel as though they are in bed with their BF and not a customer, and treat them well.
Wizard
Except that here, the girls live in an economy that produces almost no jobs, and none at all for those with degrees. Even the sales clerks on six month contracts in the department stores have degrees, and no stable employment, and more than 50% of the engineering graduates--at least in Mindanao--wind up working in call centers if they're lucky.
Many of these girls get knocked up very early in life by Filipino schmucks who promptly run away, leaving the girls to support the baby, themselves, and in many cases, younger siblings as well. With zero education and passable looks. P4P is a viable employment alternative and for many, the only alternative to sustaining their babies and themselves.
For some, hooking is doubtless the easy way out..that is, for those who have actual options. For others, no alternatives are available.
In either case, it seems slightly hypocritical on a board devoted to the pursuit of sex for money, to moralize about the girls who provide the services we all write about.
GE
I agree with Daddy Warbuks1 and GoodEnough, and is it hypocritical yes to the stage of being redicules, but keep in mind a little inside knowlidge I did gain from spending a number of nights with a Pinay in another Asian city a while back.
First no one chooses this line of work if they beleive they have other viable options and viable options for you and me might not be for a pinay that chooses this line of work.
I went bar hopping with my new GFE to the normal haunts and there was a very pretty filipina talking to a customer and I did ask how many LD's for him and she said 8 to numb my head.
I also asked her about some marks on her arms and hands and the reply shocked me "I get so drunk that I cant feel it until I wake up the next morning, so thats the only reason I know but I cant remember doing it."
So enjoy the fact that most filipinas will give you that GFE expirience especially from the freelance bars all over Asia as they really want/need to feel as though they are in bed with their BF and not a customer, and treat them well.
Wizard
Ok so the American society produces a lot of jobs. There is such a thing as being underemployed. After I got out the military I looked for job after job, went to interview after interview, I finally landed a job making a grand total of $600 a month I lived in one of the top 5 most expensive cities in America. Going back to the military was not an option for me couldn’t submit myself to the abuse anymore. College…. don't have the brain power and what I earn now I couldn’t earn half with a college degree unless I was a lawyer or some type of computer geek.
I was about to give up and go the criminal route until I caught a “break.” As for being a hypocrite morals have nothing to do with it. I am a devout atheist so I don’t look on prostitution as a moral detraction but just as I wouldn’t want my kids to join the military I wouldn’t want a daughter of mine to be a prostitute. Anyone here advocating that prostitution is “cool” and you wouldn’t mind having a daughter as one I am sorry but you are sick.
Like I said I know many Filipinas struggling to make ends meet but they got their pride and dignity and it’s more important to them then money.
GoodEnough
12-07-08, 12:01
Like I said I know many Filipinas struggling to make ends meet but they got their pride and dignity and it’s more important to them then money.
I don't thinks anyone is advocating the "coolness" of prostitution, and I agree that some girls do have too much dignity, pride, sense of self worth or whatever to go this route, and my hat goes off to them. My lady ran away from home at 12 because her parents refused to send her to school anymore, and worked as a maid in exchange for school fees, and then in various menial jobs to put herself through college, so I know that there are strong, ambitious, dedicated women out there.
The fact remains though, that this place creates few options for its young people, and for some, prostitution if not the only answer, is the easiest one.
GE
Hairy Wonder
12-07-08, 14:23
Thanks for the info. I really thought that they would make a lot more money than that, as I would assume they would make about 1000 HK$ a night on average in wanchai from drinks and customers which is about 5 or 6 thousand peso a night or maybe I am overestimating their earning potential in a bar as they dont get a customer every night and not every night they get LD's but I suppose there is the 1500 HK$ flight and accomodation to consider.
Thanks for your help and information.
WizardWiz,
A previous gf I had (actually took her from a GRO job in Korea) had a sister that went to work in HK. We went to visit her when the gf was returning to PI. The first night we were in the bar with sis, I offered to buy LD's all night so she didn't have to worry about hitting up customers for them. Her response was "It doesn't matter how many LD's someone buys for me. I only make money if I agree to go on bar fine." She went on to explain to me that the bar owner did not pay the girls working there for LD's that were purchased for them. They got half of the bar fine. If nobody bar fined them, they earned no money.
HW
BTW - There are tons of Pinays working here in Korea. Even though the Korean government (under pressure from the American government) has pushed through, and started enforcing, anti-prostitution laws, the girls are still made available by the club owners. However, it is at a much higher price than in PI. The last time I bar fined a Pinay here (over 1 year ago), the bar charged me $250. What most girls told me, is that they only got about $50 of that. Most girls then want breakfast, a tip, shopping ..... and repeat visits. The bar fine is on top of the $10 to $20 LD's that are pushed hard by the bar. Most of these girls hate working here because of their living and working conditions. They are mostly mistreated by their managers, club owners, and the agency in PI.
I will be in Ageles city 4 February for 7 days, I will be in phil for 32 days and need to watch my budget, can someone recommend a place for around 1000 p. I am not fussy as long as it is clean and have swimming pool. It dont have to be in the center of the entertainment area either, I just wanna relax and unwind for 7 days before touring PHIL
Thanks
Wiz,
A previous gf I had (actually took her from a GRO job in Korea) had a sister that went to work in HK. We went to visit her when the gf was returning to PI. The first night we were in the bar with sis, I offered to buy LD's all night so she didn't have to worry about hitting up customers for them. Her response was "It doesn't matter how many LD's someone buys for me. I only make money if I agree to go on bar fine." She went on to explain to me that the bar owner did not pay the girls working there for LD's that were purchased for them. They got half of the bar fine. If nobody bar fined them, they earned no money.
HW
Thats strange as if you are really observant you can see the little chits of paper being given to the WG every time you buy a Tequila Rock'n'Roll at any of the bars in wanchai I think they get between 30 and 50 HK$ for every drink.
But thanks for the info, still amazed at the lack of return for this kind of investment of travelling to HK...
Wizard
I don't thinks anyone is advocating the "coolness" of prostitution, and I agree that some girls do have too much dignity, pride, sense of self worth or whatever to go this route, and my hat goes off to them. My lady ran away from home at 12 because her parents refused to send her to school anymore, and worked as a maid in exchange for school fees, and then in various menial jobs to put herself through college, so I know that there are strong, ambitious, dedicated women out there.
The fact remains though, that this place creates few options for its young people, and for some, prostitution if not the only answer, is the easiest one.
GE
I met my GFE working in an Angeles club. She is wonderful and I care for her very much. You could be describing her story. After a couple of years of college on Leyte she went to work as a maid/nanny in Singapore. She really didn’t make much money there and had almost no free time (one day-off per month). When she came back to PI she went to Angeles. Partially because of the money, but mostly she wanted to find a man. Someone to fall in love with her and take her away. After she found me she quit working in Angeles and six months ago she opened her own little store. She sells liquor, soda, chips, phone cards, and all the stuff you would find in a tiny, barrio 7-11 in the Philippines. She is so proud of her little store. She makes about half what she did in the clubs, but she doesn’t have to drink all night, she doesn’t have to “do”3-4 guys per week, and she fell in love.
We should never judge these girls as they are each one a wonderful person in their own right, doing what they must to get by. But when a former Angeles bar girl can quit the Dollhouse, and go start her own store, and make a living …… now that is impressive to me.
KyCuriosity
12-08-08, 05:01
Hey, I haven't been there but I was reading a couple reports somewhere else and there supposed to be a new place called "walkabout hotel". Their website isn't completely working and don't have all the pictures up, but it looks like they have good rooms for a good price. I guess look it up and see what you think.
Fast Eddie 48
12-08-08, 06:20
I will be in Ageles city 4 February for 7 days, I will be in phil for 32 days and need to watch my budget, can someone recommend a place for around 1000 p. I am not fussy as long as it is clean and have swimming pool. It dont have to be in the center of the entertainment area either, I just wanna relax and unwind for 7 days before touring PHIL
ThanksDumpy,
The American hotel has a pool, a liitle run down but you can get a room for 1000 peso.
It's about a 10 min walk from Check Point.
I think Central Hotel has better standard room,
The are 1300 peso and you can use the nice pool at Pacific Breeze because they are owned by the same guy, so they will give you a pool pass.
It's a good location right in the center of the action.
Fast eddie 48
I will be in Ageles city 4 February for 7 days, I will be in phil for 32 days and need to watch my budget, can someone recommend a place for around 1000 p. I am not fussy as long as it is clean and have swimming pool. It dont have to be in the center of the entertainment area either, I just wanna relax and unwind for 7 days before touring PHIL
Thanks
Try this site:
http://www.margarita-station.com/hotels.html
It's a start. Looks like a couple will fit your needs. Don't know anything about the hotels but some one here might if you ask about a specific place.
Slim
Member #3437
12-08-08, 16:36
Can't go wrong with the central park hotel. One of the nicest cheap hotels I have ever stayed in and in a perfect location.
Cunning Stunt
12-08-08, 16:50
ok so the american society produces a lot of jobs.....like i said i know many filipinas struggling to make ends meet but they got their pride and dignity and it’s more important to them then money.
without wishing to stir the stew, daddy, but your reference to the american military reminds me that we owe the existence of the sex industry, in its present form, in se asia, to that same very eminent institution. remember that angeles had its beginnings as a service township to the american air base at clark. pattaya might well be a very different place today if the american forces in vietnam had gone elsewhere for its r&r. in fact the whole gogo bar scene would not have developed in either thailand or the philippines without the initial stimulus of the influx of many horny, young american soldiers during the vietnam war. it is, in essence, an american import.
on filipina's and prostitution, i read an article in a filipino paper a couple of years ago, that estimated that 1 female in 10, between the ages of 16 - 40, had at some time during their adult lives engaged in paid sex. cannot recall on what they based these figures but they sounded, at the time, a little on the high side. but, who know, maybe they are accurate. my son, who lives life as a typical young, middle class, filipino is my barometer in these matters. he once told me that prostitution was rife in his high school, with several young girls putting out for extra money and material objects. maybe they got the idea from japan which i believe has or had a similar problem. in an overtly materialistic society it is merely an expedient and easy way for poorer students to keep up with their peers. but it illustrates how otherwise respectable average filipina's will turn to the worlds oldest profession without too much compunction. its only the bargirl's and fl's that we see and judge by - the tip of the iceberg with the vast majority of the business transacted on a local level beneath our eye line.
in actual fact i don't think that there is the stigma attached to whoring, as once was the case not so many years ago. i don't know about the states but there are a surprising number of young girls in uk making the career decision to go 'on the game' for a couple of years to set themselves up before embarking on a more legitimate career. there is a mainstream tv series, based on the blog of a high class escort (and starring the delectable billie piper), which is a big hit in uk and, giving away many of the tricks of the trade, is required viewing for punters as well. but it just goes to show the continuing process of legitimization of the business which seems to be a global phenomena. gh
Cunning Stunt
12-08-08, 16:56
Fuck it - cannot wait to break the 500 barrier :D
... On Filipina's and prostitution, I read an article in a Filipino paper a couple of years ago, that estimated that 1 female in 10, between the ages of 16 - 40, had at some time during their adult lives engaged in paid sex ...
I tend to believe that on the spot! Gentlemen, simply remember all the 'non-pros' we have picked at 7-Eleven or even in a bus! Didn't we give them always some 'taxi-money' after the deed? At least I did! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
HornyGeorge
12-08-08, 21:56
Ge wrote:
It seems slightly hypocritical on a board devoted to the pursuit of sex for money, to moralize about the girls who provide the services we all write about.
If you drop the word "slightly" then I agree (I think he was just trying to be diplomatic by using that qualifier).
The REAL "*****s" are the myriad Western Women who consider themselves above hooking but still choose their partners based on who can offer them the most (economically).
If I were a Filipina, I sure as hell would prefer hooking to working in a shop for less than 200 Pisos per day. I would never go to Angeles, however. I would encourage my friends who are poor Filipinas to work as webcamgirls, or in Cebu or Makati or ANYWHERE besides Angeles. While Angeles offers best value for sex consumers, it is the worst market for providers.
Can't go wrong with the central park hotel. One of the nicest cheap hotels I have ever stayed in and in a perfect location.Just wanted to second this nomination,although I would also want to qualify the "cheap" description. Cheap only in terms of price. I was there in March and found it a tremendous value--friendly personnel, attractive rooms and so, so close to the action. Great place to stay!
The REAL "*****s" are the myriad Western Women who consider themselves above hooking but still choose their partners based on who can offer them the most (economically).I agree completely. Whats wrong with a girl making a little extra money? They get what they want and we get we want. It is what I would call a win win. Plus, who doesn't like fucking? P4P does not bother me a bit, morally that is. Emotionally is a different story altogether.
Thank you so much to everyone who replied and assisted, it is much appreciated. If anyone is around Angeles from 4 to 11 Feb and wanna join for drink let me know.
... The REAL "*****s" are the myriad Western Women who consider themselves above hooking but still choose their partners based on who can offer them the most (economically) ...
HG:
wow, what a courageous statement! Thank God that Filipinas are totally different! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I will be in Ageles city 4 February for 7 days, I will be in phil for 32 days and need to watch my budget, can someone recommend a place for around 1000 p. I am not fussy as long as it is clean and have swimming pool. It dont have to be in the center of the entertainment area either, I just wanna relax and unwind for 7 days before touring PHIL
ThanksLook into staying at Sunset Garden which is about a 10 minute walk from Fields, has very clean rooms, and a great pool. I paid p1120 per night for 9 nights, and as always, I was quite satisfied.
MeLuvULongTime
12-10-08, 01:58
HG:
wow, what a courageous statement! Thank God that Filipinas are totally different! :)
Cheers!
HesekielsGentlemen,
I do not want to start an argument, but I donot believe pinays are any different than woman in general. Bring one stateside or to the "civilized" world and see what happens. LOL.
Meluvulooongtime
Hey Dumpy,
You may want to check out this website as well, they have a good description of what's is available.
http://www.beelinetravel.com/index.htm
Cheers!
Cunning Stunt
12-10-08, 04:45
wow, what a courageous statement! Thank God that Filipinas are totally different! :)
Or else embittered? Could be there goes another guy who has been fucked over financially by an ex-partner.
I wouldn't take the path of thinking that Filipina's are fundamentally a lot different from Western women. They too want love, attention, happiness and your money, money, money. Happen they don't bust your balls as bad getting it. G
without wishing to stir the stew, daddy, but your reference to the american military reminds me that we owe the existence of the sex industry, in its present form, in se asia, to that same very eminent institution. remember that angeles had its beginnings as a service township to the american air base at clark. pattaya might well be a very different place today if the american forces in vietnam had gone elsewhere for its r&r. in fact the whole gogo bar scene would not have developed in either thailand or the philippines without the initial stimulus of the influx of many horny, young american soldiers during the vietnam war. it is, in essence, an american import.
on filipina's and prostitution, i read an article in a filipino paper a couple of years ago, that estimated that 1 female in 10, between the ages of 16 - 40, had at some time during their adult lives engaged in paid sex. cannot recall on what they based these figures but they sounded, at the time, a little on the high side. but, who know, maybe they are accurate. my son, who lives life as a typical young, middle class, filipino is my barometer in these matters. he once told me that prostitution was rife in his high school, with several young girls putting out for extra money and material objects. maybe they got the idea from japan which i believe has or had a similar problem. in an overtly materialistic society it is merely an expedient and easy way for poorer students to keep up with their peers. but it illustrates how otherwise respectable average filipina's will turn to the worlds oldest profession without too much compunction. its only the bargirl's and fl's that we see and judge by - the tip of the iceberg with the vast majority of the business transacted on a local level beneath our eye line.
in actual fact i don't think that there is the stigma attached to whoring, as once was the case not so many years ago. i don't know about the states but there are a surprising number of young girls in uk making the career decision to go 'on the game' for a couple of years to set themselves up before embarking on a more legitimate career. there is a mainstream tv series, based on the blog of a high class escort (and starring the delectable billie piper), which is a big hit in uk and, giving away many of the tricks of the trade, is required viewing for punters as well. but it just goes to show the continuing process of legitimization of the business which seems to be a global phenomena. ghyour really missing something here. every filipino friend of mine that's married has at least one mistress on the side. in addition, they also go out *****mongering with their barcada. it's absurd to give americans credit for introducing prostitution into the philippines. they were doing it well before the us was a country, and it does tie into some cultural phenomenon in most asian countries, albeit, the muslim countries tend to hide it better. when i lived in manila, i used to frequent a *****house that serviced mostly taxi and jeepney drivers, some cute girls there. many were going to universities and earning some extra pesos.
Or else embittered? Could be there goes another guy who has been fucked over financially by an ex-partner.
I wouldn't take the path of thinking that Filipina's are fundamentally a lot different from Western women. They too want love, attention, happiness and your money, money, money. Happen they don't bust your balls as bad getting it. G
.....mother-fuckers women are the same...see my many reports in the American woman thread...on the subject.
Filipinas are sweet and cuddly but most of time this boils down to them being economically dependent on their mate. Guys living in the Philippines hanging out at the GO-GOs taking week-end trips to Angeles all the time while married or in relationship as myself you think your Filipina doesn’t know you are fucking other women? She just puts up with it for the benefits that come with being with a foreigner. A lot of western women got their own dough and just not going to settle for the bullshit which I can respect.
I wouldn't take the path of thinking that Filipina's are fundamentally a lot different from Western women. They too want love, attention, happiness and your money, money, money. Happen they don't bust your balls as bad getting it. GSpeaking of Western women, I was thinking today about a friend of mine from High School. I grew up on Oahu, and my friend was a just adorable little blonde. She was about 5’4", long blond hair, big blue eyes, blonde pubes, and about a large be cup. We had hooked up at parties before, but that was it. If there ever was a "dumb blonde" this chick was it, very cute, but very stupid. Driving with her was the worst, as we used to have to tell her stuff like, "red light means stop", etc. She was very good in school though BTW. Anyway, so she wants some money and by the summer of our sophomore/junior year she starts to dance at Déjà vu in Waikiki. Totally lies to her parents and says she has a "part time" job. Now, her parents are extremely well off. I don’t know the dynamics of the household, but judging by where they lived and what they drove, the family was in the upper 5% of wealth on Oahu. I don’t know how she got hired by being 16 or 17, but anyway that’s where she worked. We sort of lost touch as I fell in love with my ex-wife Hula dancer during my senior year, but I saw her during some of the senior parties. By now she has fake boobs, (large C cup) and totally looks like a hooker; chain smoking, high heels, short skirts, you know the uniform. Still we talk as the party goes on and she is still the same sweet girl I always knew, only she is now a full on Waikiki hooker. Says she started because some customer at the club told her he would pay her money to meet him after work and she went for it. That is what started it.
Unfortunately, she has some slime ball at her side most of the time, abusing her, leaching off her; you’ve seen these guys before. He was Filipino and about 29 or 30. She also started with the drugs thing also. Coke was big back then, so I think that was probably what she was doing. (Wasn’t everybody? )
Fast forward about 6 years and I see her again at the beach. She got out of hooking, got off the drugs, and left the idiot boyfriend because he could not keep himself out of prison (OCCC). Still, she seemed like the same sweet girl I had always known, except you tell by her face she had some miles on her. That was the last time I saw her, but I heard at the 10yr that she got married and had a baby.
Not really sure what this story means, or even if it is relevant to Angeles City forum, but I remembered it this morning. Maybe she liked excitement, maybe her dad was an asshole, I don’t really know. Ahh, I just remembered something. Her mom was a total ****! She used to hit on me hard when ever I went to her house to swim in the pool. Maybe that was it. Genetics. Maybe we should hypothesize about the genetic strain of being a hooker. It’s in the genes, like diabetes, is there a cure, should we start a research facility, or (insert your own satirical comment here).
Cunning Stunt
12-10-08, 07:44
It's absurd to give Americans credit for introducing prostitution into the Philippines. They were doing it well before the US was a country, and it does tie into some cultural phenomenon in most Asian countries, albeit, the muslim countries tend to hide it better. When I lived in Manila, I used to frequent a *****house that serviced mostly taxi and jeepney drivers, some cute girls there. Many were going to Universities and earning some extra pesos.
Hi Mylesm2, Welcome to ISG.
Of course I am not suggesting that the Americans introduced prostitution to the Philippines. That is absurd. I am sure that the Pinay Eve only put out for the Pinoy Adam for a bag of mangoes! What I do maintain is that the Go-go bar concept that we all know and love, in Angeles and in Thailand, was originally introduced in 1968 in Patpong to entertain American troops serving in Vietnam. Therefore it is an American innovation. My superfluous research does not reveal if they existed in the States pre-Patpong. Perhaps one of our older members will know the answer to this question?
Interested to know where the casa you mentioned is located and how long ago you visited? G
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