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Slipperydee
11-02-09, 02:34
ST rate at this place last time I visited was 700p. Some gals will do you at the place and some will do you at your own hotel =ST leave for 2 hrs or so or 1 shot whichever cums 1st.

And the LT rate here is 1200p all nite (not 1500)

PTWell, the ST here only up to a BJ in a small room there. Better Barfine at P1.2k still.

Swooshz
11-02-09, 09:23
Hey bros,

Me and a friend are planning a trip to Angeles between X-mas and New Year. Will there be plenty of women around or are they all going back home to visit family?

Cheers

ThatGuy865
11-03-09, 03:06
Hey bros,

Me and a friend are planning a trip to Angeles between X-mas and New Year. Will there be plenty of women around or are they all going back home to visit family?

CheersA lot of the girls go home for the holiday. But if you're not a resident there, you wouldn't know the difference. There will still be thousands of babes there to have fun with. And there is nothing like New Years in the PI. Sounds like world war II with all the fireworks and firecrackers going off.

Jodi In Heat
11-03-09, 04:20
They all go home for the holiday, you won't get laid at all. So sorry guys.


Hey bros,

Me and a friend are planning a trip to Angeles between X-mas and New Year. Will there be plenty of women around or are they all going back home to visit family?

Cheers

Infamous1
11-03-09, 21:26
Hey bros,

Me and a friend are planning a trip to Angeles between X-mas and New Year. Will there be plenty of women around or are they all going back home to visit family?

CheersSwooshz--my friend & I are also going to be in PI christmas thru new years, we should try to get together. I'm a veteran traveller, but first time in PI, so I will be lost as well.

Escort Fan
11-04-09, 12:41
I have a minor skin irritation and I would like to get it checked asap to rule out any possible STD even though it seems quite harmless for now.

Is there is reliable clinic / hospital in Angeles? Where is it located? I just show up or do I need to make an appointment?

What's the price (roughly) of a visit with a dermatologist here?

Just want to evaluate the costs, before getting ripped off

Thanks for the help guys!

Hesekiels
11-05-09, 12:39
I have a minor skin irritation and I would like to get it checked asap to rule out any possible STD even though it seems quite harmless for now.

Is there is reliable clinic / hospital in Angeles? Where is it located? I just show up or do I need to make an appointment?

What's the price (roughly) of a visit with a dermatologist here?

Just want to evaluate the costs, before getting ripped off

Thanks for the help guys!


EF:

are you really certain that it is only a minor skin irritation? However, some mates recommended already Dr. De Guzman, Villasol (just past Clarkton and Oasis Hotels. Family Clinic). I don't know the exact price for a consultancy, but I suppose it is cheaper than a barfine! :)

Get well soon!


Hesekiels

Jambo
11-05-09, 13:09
i just show up or do i need to make an appointment?
you always just show up and wait. if you are at one of the clinics/hospitals, you can probably get the blood/[CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test done yourself, and save time. just march up to the lab and tell them what you want, then give the results to the doc when you get to him. you potentially could be waiting most of the day.

i've taken my girl to clinics, but i forget the fees. even if they are ripping you off, its must less than you would expect. just don't forget to bring cash.

meantime if its on your skin and not ur pecker, its prob just a rash, or at worst crabs if its in the hair.

KyCuriosity
11-05-09, 14:17
I have a minor skin irritation and I would like to get it checked asap to rule out any possible STD even though it seems quite harmless for now.

Is there is reliable clinic / hospital in Angeles? Where is it located? I just show up or do I need to make an appointment?

What's the price (roughly) of a visit with a dermatologist here?

Just want to evaluate the costs, before getting ripped off

Thanks for the help guys!If you are staying at the walkabout hotel, have you thought about moving. I really have enjoyed my time there because the hotel is a perfect fit for me, but I've stayed twice and both times, I have gotten a "bad skin irritation" on my legs and butt. As soon as I moved hotels, it stopped itching and cleared up in a couple days. Guess it depends on where the irritation is.

Acqua
11-06-09, 03:37
If you are staying at the walkabout hotel, have you thought about moving. I really have enjoyed my time there because the hotel is a perfect fit for me, but I've stayed twice and both times, I have gotten a "bad skin irritation" on my legs and butt. As soon as I moved hotels, it stopped itching and cleared up in a couple days. Guess it depends on where the irritation is.KY,

I have had the same problem at Walkabout, but I did not think much about it initially. One morning, I woke up early to go to the cr and did not turn any lights on. When getting back to the bed, I saw some what looked like ants crawling up the bedpost onto the bed. Needless to say I changed hotels ASAP.

Rob Woodrow
11-06-09, 06:18
If you are staying at the walkabout hotel, have you thought about moving. I really have enjoyed my time there because the hotel is a perfect fit for me, but I've stayed twice and both times, I have gotten a "bad skin irritation" on my legs and butt. As soon as I moved hotels, it stopped itching and cleared up in a couple days. Guess it depends on where the irritation is.
You might be allergic to the detergent they use to wash the sheets. I had a similar problem when I was a kid and my mom switched brands. Never have had a problem with any other detergents so it really was an odd and rare reaction.

Wmb774
11-06-09, 09:35
You might be allergic to the detergent they use to wash the sheets. I had a similar problem when I was a kid and my mom switched brands. Never have had a problem with any other detergents so it really was an odd and rare reaction.I used to get a rash on my back when staying at the Tiger Hotel. I thought it was a allergic reaction to something. I started wearing a t-shirt to bed when I was going to go to sleep and I haven't had a problem since.

ThatGuy865
11-07-09, 04:13
I always ask for 2 extra sheets no matter which hotel I stay in ... to try and insulate myself just that much more.

Alot of the time its bed bugs which are biting you while you sleep, so the more insulation from the actual bed you have the better chance you have of not getting attacked.

Steve East
11-07-09, 06:52
I had a problem with Bed Bugs in 3 or 4 places there. However the Girl I was with never got bit. We dicovered she was rubbing hand lotion on herself before Bed. So I tried it and No more bites. Maybe they dont like the taste of lotion.

Chocha Monger
11-07-09, 07:24
I used to get a rash on my back when staying at the Tiger Hotel. I thought it was a allergic reaction to something. I started wearing a t-shirt to bed when I was going to go to sleep and I haven't had a problem since.
Yeah. Sounds like a classic sperm allergy from lying on a mattress repeatedly drenched in bodily fluids from various corners of the globe.

Cunning Stunt
11-07-09, 07:37
I always ask for 2 extra sheets no matter which hotel I stay in ... to try and insulate myself just that much more.


If its a cheap hotel in Angeles, I think you would be better asking for a biological protection suit:eek:

Escort Fan
11-07-09, 09:47
Well I caught Herpes: ((don't laugh guys can happened to everyone).

That's one of the bad aspects of being a sexual tourist in the third world.

As forrest said "STD's are like a box of chocolate you never know why one you're going to get."

Oh well I'm 40, and that's my frist STD ever, can't complain, it's just a bad week ahead of me, taking the pills. I'll get a full checkup when I go back to Switzerland next week.

For the safe sex police, know you can catch herpes even by fucking with a rubber!

On a side note didn't get it in Angeles, I got it either in Manila (probable) or in Phuket or in Pattaya.

It's never easy to talk about such things, but if that post can be helpful to others. I'm not worried as herpes will be gone in a week and will be just a bad memory and as it's the most common STD (read that about 20% of the americans have it) and it doesn't really have side effects or anything.

So if you guys got a STD or a any medical problem go to:

AUF Medial Center, that's Angeles University hospital.

It's quite big.

I walked to ER, then I explained my problems. Immediatly I was given a paper to go see a doctor, I had to wait for like 10'. Then the visit, hard to judge the quality of the doctor as identifiy a first time herpes crisis doesn't exactly require a nobel prize winner, but he got the job done and made his prescription. Cost 500 PHP.

Then the hard part, the medecine are EXPENSIVE, there is one pill I must take 4x a day, called ZOVIRAX, which cost 200 PHP per tablet! That's 800 PHP per day, so 8, 000 PHP for my ten days treatment! Plus there were others. Ouch!

Once again, don't want to act like a spoiled child, a week of treatment and this will be behind me, it's nothing compared to the misery some people have here, so need to stay decent, just giving the information for other sex tourist (who isn't a sex tourist in AC.), who might encounter a similar problem.

On the bright side, my doc, said he often has foreigner with STDs, in angeles he said herpes isn't so common, however Gonorrhea is!

For you infos Gonorrhea is a bacteria, herpes is a virus.

Health and medecine is expensive for locals, so if you like a girl, don't hesitate to treat her at the hospital with a full check up, and medecine (if she needs some), it will be a better gift than a dress or a handbag.

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!

Escort Fan
11-07-09, 09:52
Just thought I'd mention it.

I've used the swagman bus to travel from AC to Manila. It cost 600 PHP, that's about 12 USD.

We were about 15 guys in the bus, so that's a 180 USD turnover for swagman not so bad. Especially since the buses are 30 years old and are in very very bad condition.

Clearly those buses would not be fit for usage in western europe, even after expensive work. Those buses are good for the junkward.

The suspension are in terrible condition, each time there is a bump you are afraid it's going to break.

I believe we are at risk when using those buses. I would not use it again unless they invest on more recent buses, let's say I'd be ok for 20 years old ones in ok condition.

It's in my opinion irresponsible from swagman to make people travel in those buses.

Premium prices, but low end buses.

Is there any other bus service because this one isn't recommanded at all!

Sammon
11-07-09, 13:06
Yeah. Sounds like a classic sperm allergy from lying on a mattress repeatedly drenched in bodily fluids from various corners of the globe.

It is not the sheets you need to worry about. It is the bedspread which never ever gets washed. I have stayed in AC for 10 days sometime and even requested the maid to wash the bedspread but she said it is washed only after the guest leaves. I doubt it.

Pete Benetar
11-07-09, 23:46
Just finished my first meander into the PI, staying exclusively within the Malate district as I was by myself. Hit a few girls from the LA cafe but otherwise had gf's (pre arranged by dating websites) taxi into my temporary abode at the Pan Pacific.

I appreciated the whorish element of the street life, but there was a bit too much going on otherwise e. G. Panderers, followers etc for my "comfort" level and am curious if you can find a comparable concentration of girls with a tad less street stuff in places e. G. Angelas or Cebu.

Thank you for any comments.

Fast Eddie 48
11-08-09, 01:13
Just thought I'd mention it.

I've used the swagman bus to travel from AC to Manila. It cost 600 PHP, that's about 12 USD.

We were about 15 guys in the bus, so that's a 180 USD turnover for swagman not so bad. Especially since the buses are 30 years old and are in very very bad condition.

Clearly those buses would not be fit for usage in western europe, even after expensive work. Those buses are good for the junkward.

The suspension are in terrible condition, each time there is a bump you are afraid it's going to break.

I believe we are at risk when using those buses. I would not use it again unless they invest on more recent buses, let's say I'd be ok for 20 years old ones in ok condition.

It's in my opinion irresponsible from swagman to make people travel in those buses.

Premium prices, but low end buses.

Is there any other bus service because this one isn't recommanded at all!Escort,

There are public bus that you can take, the PI rabbit every 30 min from avendia bus stations near chinatown 125 peso take about 2 hr, they go to dau bus stations first and then to angeles bus station, they can drop you off at corner of field and Mcarthur hwy or you can just get a taxi about 1800 peso, there are another bus company from EDSA this are big bus seat 50 people never full also old bus.

Fast Eddie 48

Buko Max
11-08-09, 03:52
Is there any other bus service because this one isn't recommanded at all!
Southern Cross shuttle bus is about a year old, leaving their hotel @ 3:30 pm each day. They also sevice Subic from AC.

Jambo
11-08-09, 04:06
Well I caught Herpes. I'm not worried as herpes will be gone in a week and will be just a bad memory and as it's the most common STD (read that about 20% of the americans have it) and it doesn't really have side effects or anything.
My understanding is herpes II is incurable, and you retain the ability to transmit it to others. They told you this didn't they?

http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/STDFact-herpes.htm

Escort Fan
11-08-09, 05:52
My understanding is herpes II is incurable, and you retain the ability to transmit it to others. They told you this didn't they?

http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/STDFact-herpes.htm

Yes sir! They did. But what can I do about it?

Condoms aren't enough to stop it. You can pass it on a simple towel exchange.

However "On an annual basis, (MF having unprotected intercourse), transmission risk from infected female to male is approximately 4-5% annually.

That means: 1/ I'm fucking unlucky and should play bingo tomorrow! (I got it from a "single" encounter)

(.) the transmission risk of HSV-2 from infected male to female is approximately 8-10%.

That means: if I BB daily 100 women for a year (yeah I know I'll need viagra), that's 36 500 BB incourses, I'll have infected 8 to 10 women at best (erm mean worse! ).

If 20% of the americans carry herpes, (guess that's higher in "this" community as we are hyper active with multi partners), so maybe among american ISG'ers the rate is 30%, imagine how often a bar girl is exposed to Herpes virus

However from my understanding you can only transmit it when you are in a "crisis", when the virus 'wakes up'.

If you also read very carefully info about herpes, most people have been silently infected, don't know they are, and can transmit it too at some point of time!

BTW the 'crisis' is over and I'm back to my life and putting this behind! Even though I'm not in the mood to fuck anyone at the moment.

Escort Fan
11-08-09, 05:54
Southern Cross shuttle bus is about a year old, leaving their hotel at 3:30 pm each day. They also sevice Subic from AC.you mean the bus at southern cross hotel on del pilar st for 600 pesos.

Erm, thats swagman, that's the only I'm talking about with the very old bus in a very bad condition.

Seriously I don't know where you are from, I know Swiss is a bit extreme country for security, but do you think in your country a bus in that condition would be fit for anything else than the junkyard?

Rob Woodrow
11-08-09, 06:17
Is there any other bus service because this one isn't recommanded at all!
I'll second the recommendation for the Southern Cross. I rode it from AC to Manila once. Very comfortable, almost TOO chilly from the aircon. If I recall they sell soft drinks and beer, but I mostly just slept.

White Whale
11-08-09, 06:17
Southern Cross shuttle bus is about a year old, leaving their hotel @ 3:30 pm each day. They also sevice Subic from AC.

I have only been using between AC and Subic for 500PHP. The bus is air con and comfortable. You can buy drinks kept in ice. Seats are limited compared to route busses. I never counted but maybe between 20-30 so for a big group there might be need for advance booking. Typically anyway bus ticket is recommended to be bought in advance from selected hotel travel agents previous day and not before. To Subic bus leaves 8:45 in front of Orchid Inn and 9am in front of Brass Knob. It departs 11am from Wild Orchid Subic.

FreebieFan
11-08-09, 12:51
Well I caught Herpes: ((don't laugh guys can happened to everyone).

That's one of the bad aspects of being a sexual tourist in the third world.

As forrest said "STD's are like a box of chocolate you never know why one you're going to get."

Oh well I'm 40, and that's my frist STD ever, can't complain, it's just a bad week ahead of me, taking the pills. I'll get a full checkup when I go back to Switzerland next week.

For the safe sex police, know you can catch herpes even by fucking with a rubber!

On a side note didn't get it in Angeles, I got it either in Manila (probable) or in Phuket or in Pattaya.

It's never easy to talk about such things, but if that post can be helpful to others. I'm not worried as herpes will be gone in a week and will be just a bad memory and as it's the most common STD (read that about 20% of the americans have it) and it doesn't really have side effects or anything.

So if you guys got a STD or a any medical problem go to:

AUF Medial Center, that's Angeles University hospital.

It's quite big.

I walked to ER, then I explained my problems. Immediatly I was given a paper to go see a doctor, I had to wait for like 10'. Then the visit, hard to judge the quality of the doctor as identifiy a first time herpes crisis doesn't exactly require a nobel prize winner, but he got the job done and made his prescription. Cost 500 PHP.

Then the hard part, the medecine are EXPENSIVE, there is one pill I must take 4x a day, called ZOVIRAX, which cost 200 PHP per tablet! That's 800 PHP per day, so 8, 000 PHP for my ten days treatment! Plus there were others. Ouch!

Once again, don't want to act like a spoiled child, a week of treatment and this will be behind me, it's nothing compared to the misery some people have here, so need to stay decent, just giving the information for other sex tourist (who isn't a sex tourist in AC.), who might encounter a similar problem.

On the bright side, my doc, said he often has foreigner with STDs, in angeles he said herpes isn't so common, however Gonorrhea is!

For you infos Gonorrhea is a bacteria, herpes is a virus.

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!You may find that the herpes repeats itself, usually at time is stress. This can be on the dick, or on the lips sometimes. Zovirax comes in ointment form. Always good to keep one of those in your toolkit. Available from Mercury Drugs... yes not cheap, but keeps future outbreaks at bay nicely.

KyCuriosity
11-08-09, 14:40
For the safe sex police, know you can catch herpes even by fucking with a rubber!

On a side note didn't get it in Angeles, I got it either in Manila (probable) or in Phuket or in Pattaya.

I'm not worried as herpes will be gone in a week and will be just a bad memory and as it's the most common STD (read that about 20% of the americans have it) and it doesn't really have side effects or anything.

Thanks![/blue][/size]Herpes is incurable. It's only treatable. The first outbreak is almost always the worst though. After your initial outbreak you mostly will have only one to two sores at an incident. It isn't as bad as it sounds though but I still wouldn't wish it on anyone. Some people never have outbreaks ever and are just mainly a carrier, but some have frequent outbreaks so it's only your luck which one you are.

American Stats: According to my doctor, 1 in 5 Americans have some form of herpes and 90% of those people don't even know they have it. Since condoms only cover the shaft and most of the sores occur at the base of the shaft and surrounding areas on a male and on the outer lips of a female, a condom does help but definitely doesn't prevent the spread. Herpes has 2 main forms that occur in two main areas, but you can also spread it to your eyes, nose, etc. Just think next time you kiss a girl at home, if she has a cold sore, she just may have given you herpes. (a cold sore can be herpes).

Noguera
11-09-09, 04:58
Guys … it is really quite easy and cheap to get to AC from the Manila airport.
1- As you exit the airport after clearing customs, go outside and turn to your left. There is a kiosk where you pay for a taxi in advance. Tell them you want to go to the Pasay bus terminal. It should only cost ≈250 php (US$5)
2- There are 5-6 different bus companies that travel between Pasay and AC. It really doesn’t make any difference which bus line you use as they are mostly all air conditioned, and reasonably comfortable and take around 2 hours. So, when you arrive at Pasay just walk into the terminal and ask anyone where is the next bus to Dau (AC). You almost never have to wait more than 10-15 minutes. All of these buses cost ≈140 php (less than US$3).
3- There will be multiple stops within Manila but after you get outside of town and onto the North Luzon Expressway, then it is only another 45+ minutes.
4- When you arrive in Dau just get a trike and they will take you directly to your hotel. Depending upon which hotel you shouldn’t pay any more than 100-150 php (US$3).
Guys, it really doesn’t get any easier than this and it is quite safe and pretty comfortable.

Jambo
11-09-09, 05:30
Yes sir! They did. But what can I do about it?
.
You could consider not having sex with anyone else again unless they also are infected..

CDC mentions some psych stress associated with this. I believe the reasoning goes like this:

If you have open lesions, no one will want to have sex with you.
If you tell anyone you have Herpes II no one will want to have sex with you.
See, people who do not have Herpes II might prefer to keep it that way.
If you meet someone you want to spend a lot of time with, do you tell them? If you don't eventually you may infect them. They may wonder how they got infected.
If you hide your lesions, they may wonder why you hide.
If she gets pregnant she will have tests and they will inform her she is infected. Herpes II is dangerous for newborns.

Herpes I (or Herpes Simplex aka cold sores) is related, but not the same as Herpes II. But no one wants to get that either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcqWnojXuEk

http://www.valtrex.com/

Darth Sushi
11-09-09, 13:41
Guys … it is really quite easy and cheap to get to AC from the Manila airport.
1- As you exit the airport after clearing customs, go outside and turn to your left. There is a kiosk where you pay for a taxi in advance. Tell them you want to go to the Pasay bus terminal. It should only cost ≈250 php (US$5)
2- There are 5-6 different bus companies that travel between Pasay and AC. It really doesn’t make any difference which bus line you use as they are mostly all air conditioned, and reasonably comfortable and take around 2 hours. So, when you arrive at Pasay just walk into the terminal and ask anyone where is the next bus to Dau (AC). You almost never have to wait more than 10-15 minutes. All of these buses cost ≈140 php (less than US$3).
3- There will be multiple stops within Manila but after you get outside of town and onto the North Luzon Expressway, then it is only another 45+ minutes.
4- When you arrive in Dau just get a trike and they will take you directly to your hotel. Depending upon which hotel you shouldn’t pay any more than 100-150 php (US$3).
Guys, it really doesn’t get any easier than this and it is quite safe and pretty comfortable.
Yup, I usually take Victory Liner but it doesn't matter which bus as long it's going to Dau.

X Man
11-09-09, 13:47
Sorry to state the obvious, but if you really want to go to AC, you have to get off the bus at DAU!!!!!!!

There is no Angeles city stop.


Yup, I usually take Victory Liner but it doesn't matter which bus as long it's going to Dau.

Amjeck
11-09-09, 15:01
Guys … it is really quite easy and cheap to get to AC from the Manila airport.
1- As you exit the airport after clearing customs, go outside and turn to your left. There is a kiosk where you pay for a taxi in advance. Tell them you want to go to the Pasay bus terminal. It should only cost ≈250 php (US$5)
2- There are 5-6 different bus companies that travel between Pasay and AC. It really doesn’t make any difference which bus line you use as they are mostly all air conditioned, and reasonably comfortable and take around 2 hours. So, when you arrive at Pasay just walk into the terminal and ask anyone where is the next bus to Dau (AC). You almost never have to wait more than 10-15 minutes. All of these buses cost ≈140 php (less than US$3).
3- There will be multiple stops within Manila but after you get outside of town and onto the North Luzon Expressway, then it is only another 45+ minutes.
4- When you arrive in Dau just get a trike and they will take you directly to your hotel. Depending upon which hotel you shouldn’t pay any more than 100-150 php (US$3).
Guys, it really doesn’t get any easier than this and it is quite safe and pretty comfortable.
Do these buses run 24 hours?

Aussiec
11-09-09, 20:24
I am not one to say bad about another member here but I think "Escort Fan" has clearly lost his mind where he is. Is there anything really safe here in the Philippines? If you want safe maybe hire a United nations envoy to "escort" you in safety.

We all come to Philippines to have fun and "take the go with the flow" mentality when we are here. Hotels, bars, Taxi, airplanes, busses, trikes, and yes even the girls all have a degree to unsafe measures. For if you want safety you pay a little more. Take the bus from AC to Manila. The odds are in your favor that you will get to your destination at Swagman for as little as $12. The way the taxi drive or hired driver drive. You have alot more safety and survival rate on a beat up bus if you get in accident.

Aussiec
11-09-09, 20:28
Busses run 24 hours a day and as stated you won't have to wait more than 15 min.

Genghois
11-10-09, 02:43
Was in AC for five days in early October for my 5th/6th/7th/ trip… I‘ve lost count. Stayed at Wild Orchid, nice place and good location, if you want to fork out the dollars.

First night:
Arrived at NAIA and was picked up by the Wild Orchid driver; slept most of the trip up to AC.
Let the barhopping begin. Started off at the new Pony Tails, based on some pics of hotties on another board, but the hotties were not friendly (they were there, just not interested in bf’s), so I moved on.
After several bars, I ended up in old favourite Champagne, where it’s always fun.
Saw a cutie from a previous visit who was a cherry girl. Called her down for a drink and she still was.
Tossed her back and brought down another cutie. Miss R turned out to be a 23 y.o. mother, but her body showed no ill effects. Took her out and she was nice. An active and willing participant in the act, but not one to initiate or innovate.

Second Day:
Got some load onto my Phil-phone and contacted ZackaryKR, a fellow member who I’d arranged contact with. We met up at Honeyko’s, out on Perimeter, and proceeded to four evenings of fun. It was great to have a wingman and Zack was a wonderful one. A little funny mongering in AC with an Asian (Zack). All the girls went to Zack, first, on the assumption that he was the big spender. But in reality, I was the big spender and Zack was the
Cheap Charlie (just kidding, Zack, you definitely bought more LD’s than I did!)
After major bar-hopping we ended up at Angel Witch, and we’re sitting, talking to some girls, and I’m with my back to the stage, as I hadn‘t seen anything I wanted. Zack had me switched from SML to White Castle whiskey (I should know better). Zack asks me to turn my head for a beauty who has arrived on the stage. I call down Miss E and I’ve got an angel for the night. Her performance wasn’t much better than the previous night’s BF. But I woke up, the next morning, to an angel on the pillow, next to me. An amazingly beautiful girl.

Third Day:
Much bar-hopping again but I had some stomach problems, and didn’t want any nausea to interfere with my night, so I wasn’t looking. Nonetheless, Zack and I hopped the bars and I did some flirting, to set up future nights. Had fun in Atlantis watching a group of GI’s buying drinks for the feature girls and then realising, at the end of the night, that they didn’t have enough money for the barfines.

Fourth Day:
Get a note from Zack in the morning, “I’ve gotta stop drinking so much!” Three hours later, “Meet me at Gecko’s at 17:30”. I say, “How about 18:30?” (I’m waiting for my laundry), and Zack says, “18:00?” So much for any commitment to drinking less!
Many bars visited again and I forced Zack back to Atlantis, where I had some good flirts going on. I took out Miss J, a showcase dancer with a seriously hard body. She had only been in AC for a month, but had previous experience as a MP in Manila, and she was amazing in every way (and gave a good massage, as well).

Fifth Day:
Zack and I did the usual bar-hopping, ending up in La Pasha, where he had a girl lined up. Zack was talking with his girl while I was being ignored by any girl I was interested in. Finally, one of the girls who had caught my eye showed some interest, and I called her down. Miss M was a pixie, and if I’d met her elsewhere, I would have thrown her back as jail-bait, but I trusted the bar’s screening. She had a wonderfully tight teenage body and nipples the size of pencil nibs. But the girl demanded satisfaction and I was happy to oblige.

A great five days in AC. Many thanks to my bud, Zack!

Nvslim
11-10-09, 10:58
November Newsletter is out.

http://www.margarita-station.com/newsletters/nov09/index.html

Slim

Aussiec
11-10-09, 16:41
first of all i am a safety guy with condoms. first of all why risk getting something and secondly why risk bringing a child into the world. now having said all this i have every now and then broke the golden rule of safety. of course we all have. i was in cebu, about a year ago and met up with a girl i met before from gate 3 hanna valley. what i say next i am sure your saying, "what the hell was he thinking! " well i enjoyed being with this girl on several visits before, we ate went back to hotel. well we in hotel getting it on and in the back of my head its "condom". but somehow got caught up and say gosh this one time. so i did her unprotected. three days later i fly back home. and sure enough things just not right down there. hurts when i [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and symptoms. so i go to clinic and descibes symptoms. they do test and they say we call you with results in morning but we will treat for both clamedia and gonerea. i say ok. needle in butt cheeks and antibiotic and walk out door. next day i get call and i have both! gosh so shocked having both but least it was treatable and in 6 days i am feeling much better. lesson learn. just cause it looks good. do not assume it has baggage with it.

Hesekiels
11-10-09, 22:45
... Guys, it really doesn’t get any easier than this and it is quite safe and pretty comfortable...Noguera:

that's not totally wrong, but please bear in mind: when you arrive at NAIA in the middle of the night it might be worth to hire a car for approx 2,500 pesos, especially when you are jet lagged and carry heavy luggage. Think about it!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Fast Eddie 48
11-10-09, 22:52
Sorry to state the obvious, but if you really want to go to AC, you have to get off the bus at DAU! To X,

The Philippines Rabbit stop at Dau first and then to angeles bus stations, if you request they can stop and drop you off at the corner of Field. Or you can take the jeppney from Dau bus station to the check point.

Fast Eddie 48

Darth Sushi
11-11-09, 05:30
Sorry to state the obvious, but if you really want to go to AC, you have to get off the bus at DAU!!!!!!!

There is no Angeles city stop.
Yeah, but you need to read the obvious!!!!!!!!!! That's what I wrote...


Yup, I usually take Victory Liner but it doesn't matter which bus as long it's going to Dau.

Fast Eddie 48
11-11-09, 06:46
Zestair aka Asian Spirt start flight from HKIA to Clark one flight a day cost around 70 usd round trip ,they also have plan to fly to shanghai also .

www.zestair.com.ph

Fast Eddie 48

X Man
11-11-09, 07:29
Yes DS, I know what you wrote. I can see how my reply could be easily misunderstood -- my bad.

My message was to emphasize the point for newbies. The first time I took a local bus I didn't realize that Dau was the bus terminal I need to use. Fortunately, the bus driver asked me where I was going.

Thanks fast Eddie for clarification. If I'm not mistaken the Dau bus terminal is much closer to the STRIP than the AC terminal. I like the idea of getting off at the corner -- you could actually avoid a trike ride.

X


Yeah, but you need to read the obvious!!!!!!!!!! That's what I wrote...

Darth Sushi
11-11-09, 09:01
Yes DS, I know what you wrote. I can see how my reply could be easily misunderstood -- my bad.

XNot a problem, X. BTW, that new AC bus terminal in front of Marquee mall is ready for business but I don't think it's going to be popular because of the shitty location unless you live near mountain view or don pepe. You'll have to take a trike because the jeeps there only go to Magalang and Arayat. Dau is just more convenient all around. City hall should have used the money to improve the road instead of a bus terminal.

Poopbunny
11-11-09, 21:10
Zestair aka Asian Spirt start flight from HKIA to Clark one flight a day cost around 70 usd round trip ,they also have plan to fly to shanghai also .

www.zestair.com.ph

Fast Eddie 48

Yay! I'll try them next time. Always had problems buying Cebu Air using overseas credit cards.

Thanks for the link!

ManonsanBoy
11-11-09, 21:13
yay! i'll try them next time. always had problems buying cebu air using overseas credit cards.

thanks for the link!


i tried them out on the web to book several possible dates from hong kong to clark. compared to cebu, they are the same sort of price but many flights are alledged to be sold out, even in march 2010.

Jdbkk555
11-12-09, 06:02
I've been chatting with this girl. Arlene who works at La Bamba. Cute girl with a nice thin figure. Today. She says she's a cherry girl. I'm thinking. What does that mean in bargirl terms?. So I ask.

She says. She's worked at La Bamba 5 months now and never been barfined. I ask her is she's still a virgin. She says no. She had sex with two pinoy from Manila before moving to AC. I'm thinking. Ok. So what exactly is a cherry girl then? I ask. How many times does a lady have sex and still call herself a cherry girl. Like 5 or 10 times? She says. Yes. About that many.

I laughed. Only in AC can a lady loose her virginity that many times and still call herself a cherry girl.

Amjeck
11-12-09, 06:41
Anyone taken the Bangkok-Clark flight on Cepu Pacific? I heard that it was prone to long delays.

White Whale
11-12-09, 07:04
Anyone taken the Bangkok-Clark flight on Cepu Pacific? I heard that it was prone to long delays.

Yes, last three visits. Based on those cannot make statistically reliable estimate. On summer vacation flight from BKK to CRK was six hours late. Not a huge problem despite waiting in airport when horny as hell. Return flight was 1,5 hours late. There is a problem if you have short margin on your connecting flight.

Cheesemark75
11-12-09, 07:05
So what exactly is a cherry girl then?The term has been over-abused. Supposedly it means a virgin. But nowadays there are lots of Virginities. There's the half-virgins. There's the black cherries. There's the virgin in the ass. There's the virgin in the ears.


Only in AC can a lady loose her virginity that many times and still call herself a cherry girl.I completely disagree. Civvies I've met here in California claim to be half-virgins.

Quote from the movie Mean Girls: "Regina: I was a 'half virgin' when I met him"

Poopbunny
11-12-09, 08:49
Anyone taken the Bangkok-Clark flight on Cepu Pacific? I heard that it was prone to long delays.

I have taken that flight once. I guess I was lucky, mine departed and arrived pretty much on time. (in my books on time = within 15mins of schedule)

Rob Woodrow
11-12-09, 10:45
Read the article, but can't tell if the Shanghai flight will be to Manila or Clark. If they fly SH to Clark, I'll be like a kid in a candy store at Christmas.

http://www.zestair.com.ph/news_and_events.html


Zestair aka Asian Spirt start flight from HKIA to Clark one flight a day cost around 70 usd round trip ,they also have plan to fly to shanghai also .

www.zestair.com.ph

Fast Eddie 48

Sammon
11-12-09, 15:17
I've been chatting with this girl. Arlene who works at La Bamba. Cute girl with a nice thin figure. Today. She says she's a cherry girl. I'm thinking. What does that mean in bargirl terms?. So I ask.

She says. She's worked at La Bamba 5 months now and never been barfined. I ask her is she's still a virgin. She says no. She had sex with two pinoy from Manila before moving to AC. I'm thinking. Ok. So what exactly is a cherry girl then? I ask. How many times does a lady have sex and still call herself a cherry girl. Like 5 or 10 times? She says. Yes. About that many.

I laughed. Only in AC can a lady loose her virginity that many times and still call herself a cherry girl.
This reminds me of one girl who told me she is cherry. When I did not notice any blood or stain I told her I do not think she is cherry. She told me she is cherry with me meaning it is her first time with me.

Big Johnson2
11-12-09, 22:10
i've been chatting with this girl. arlene who works at la bamba. cute girl with a nice thin figure. today. she says she's a cherry girl. i'm thinking. what does that mean in bargirl terms?. so i ask.

she says. she's worked at la bamba 5 months now and never been barfined. i ask her is she's still a virgin. she says no. she had sex with two pinoy from manila before moving to ac. i'm thinking. ok. so what exactly is a cherry girl then? i ask. how many times does a lady have sex and still call herself a cherry girl. like 5 or 10 times? she says. yes. about that many.

i laughed. only in ac can a lady loose her virginity that many times and still call herself a cherry girl.

my friend has a cherry girl gf he's been boom booming. when he met her at the bar he was told my the mammasan that she was a cherry girl. she wears the badge with the "v" on it for virgin. she told him she was raped by a pinoy while home during the summer, but has never told the mammasan because she doesn't want to boom boom guys. i thinks she feels like "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" doesn't count. i think she liked him and didn't want to have him not select her because she was a cherry girl so she did it with him. she stresses to him that she is no a butterfly and does only him. i think he's lucky because she is very cute/sexy.

Big Johnson2
11-12-09, 22:39
I noticed the last time that I was in AC, that it appears that many great looking girls don't bar fine. I had a friend that worked at Atlantis and I visited her most nights late and noticed all the best looking girls were still there every night. Also 2 other great looking girls with 36 boobs, were there every night of the week. My fiend who is young, an athelete, and pretty good looking, had to ask 10 girls before one accepted his invitation to BF. He said it's just a big fake, none of the good looking girls want to bar fine!

Have any of you noticed this? What's going on?

Robbaf
11-12-09, 22:43
I noticed the last time that I was in AC, that it appears that many great looking girls don't bar fine. I had a friend that worked at Atlantis and I visited her most nights late and noticed all the best looking girls were still there every night. Also 2 other great looking girls with 36 boobs, were there every night of the week. My fiend who is young, an athelete, and pretty good looking, had to ask 10 girls before one accepted his invitation to BF. He said it's just a big fake, none of the good looking girls want to bar fine!

Have any of you noticed this? What's going on?It may have something to do with the 3000P barfines there and the double ladies drinks and WU that they are collecting. :(

Robb

Rubberyman
11-12-09, 23:15
It may have something to do with the 3000P barfines there and the double ladies drinks and WU that they are collecting. :(

Robb


Well, we only have ourselves to blame.

I go to the big clubs (Atlantis, Dollhouse) and have a drink for myself and watch the shows, but I do not buy lady drinks there. I also only pay 'trike fare' tips.

By patronising the smaller bars where the ladies do barfine, and by not overpaying, then mongers will assure themselves of a continuing supply of furry magnets.

By paying double lady drinks at inflated prices at the larger venues, you just give them enough $$$$ to not even need to worry about the 3000P jobs - they can be really selective. Why pay more to BF someone who will expect you to be grateful when down the road there are ladies who will be grateful to you - at less than half the cost.

Having said that, some of those larger places have really good eye candy and ambience - and often events, so are well worth the extra cost of one's own drink. So I definitely drop in to them and enjoy the show. Just never buy LD or try to BF there. After all, one can much more easily enjoy the eye candy if one is not having to make small talk with someone...or in this case trying fruitlessly to get them to barfine.

Oh, and I touch down in Clark tomorrow ng hapon. :)

Rocksoff
11-13-09, 02:24
By paying double lady drinks at inflated prices at the larger venues, you just give them enough $$$$ to not even need to worry about the 3000P jobs

Wise words! Listen to the man! Don't be your own cock blocker!

Buko Max
11-13-09, 05:12
Have any of you noticed this? What's going on?
They are afraid of getting split in two by western sized cocks.
On the other hand, they wil go with Koreans in a heartbeat!

Rob Woodrow
11-13-09, 08:02
If you want to see a show, go to a show bar.

If you want to barfine, go to a barfine bar.


I noticed the last time that I was in AC, that it appears that many great looking girls don't bar fine. I had a friend that worked at Atlantis and I visited her most nights late and noticed all the best looking girls were still there every night. Also 2 other great looking girls with 36 boobs, were there every night of the week. My fiend who is young, an athelete, and pretty good looking, had to ask 10 girls before one accepted his invitation to BF. He said it's just a big fake, none of the good looking girls want to bar fine!

Have any of you noticed this? What's going on?

Cheesemark75
11-13-09, 09:41
I noticed the last time that I was in AC, that it appears that many great looking girls don't bar fine.That's because they can get much more from Koreans and Japanese. Koreans and Japanese drop money like crazy.

You, on the other hand, are used to better service for less $$$. So you would probably haggle with the price and expect alot more in return.

Amjeck
11-13-09, 09:58
If you want to see a show, go to a show bar.

If you want to barfine, go to a barfine bar.
What are some of those show bars to avoid if looking to score with ease?

Rocksoff
11-13-09, 13:36
What are some of those show bars to avoid if looking to score with ease?

Just the big ones in Fields. If you see a show, it's a show bar. It's very obvious if it's a show, complete with canned applause.

If I'm on the hunt, once or twice a day, I'll scan faces and bodies, not staying in one bar for more than one drink, and doing a lot of u-turns. If there's a candidate, I'll call her. If she comes over at a slight cue, that's a point in her favour. If she doesn't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off in the first 30 seconds, I'll ask her "tonight you can go with me?" (Or I'll ask a passing mamasan.) If she nods with a big smile, that's another point in her favour. If I'm not sure yet, I'll tell her I'm still deciding and buy her a drink, and give her a chance to make up my mind.

Mostly I'm not on the hunt, just want to kick back and barhop, with no intention to barfine, and leave it to girls to try and convince me to barfine them. Then it's very clear who wants to go.

Big Johnson2
11-13-09, 13:44
I would think the 3000P vs the 1500P would hurt these girls in getting a lot of BFs. My friends and I have never Bar Fined a Feature Dancer for 3000P, because we thought that these girls would think "their shit don't stink" and not give good service. Many of these girls are no better looking than the 1500P ones either. I'm interested in a GFE and not some girl who thinks I should feel lucky to be with her. Do these Featured Dancers think this way?

Have any of you Bar Fined these 3000P girls and what was the experience?

So you think many of these girls make enough money just from drinks so they don't have to BF?

Amjeck
11-13-09, 14:41
I would think the 3000P vs the 1500P would hurt these girls in getting a lot of BFs. My friends and I have never Bar Fined a Feature Dancer for 3000P, because we thought that these girls would think "their shit don't stink" and not give good service. Many of these girls are no better looking than the 1500P ones either. I'm interested in a GFE and not some girl who thinks I should feel lucky to be with her. Do these Featured Dancers think this way?

Have any of you Bar Fined these 3000P girls and what was the experience?

So you think many of these girls make enough money just from drinks so they don't have to BF?
That's 3000 including everything? And for a short time? If so, that is definately cheaper than the gogo scene in BKK.

These 3000 girls are considered top-market in Angeles?

Excuse me for my ignorance. I've been to Angeles a few times awhile back, but forget how things are. Will revisit soon.

Tim Bone
11-13-09, 16:57
I would think the 3000P vs the 1500P would hurt these girls in getting a lot of BFs. My friends and I have never Bar Fined a Feature Dancer for 3000P, because we thought that these girls would think "their shit don't stink" and not give good service. Many of these girls are no better looking than the 1500P ones either. I'm interested in a GFE and not some girl who thinks I should feel lucky to be with her. Do these Featured Dancers think this way?

Have any of you Bar Fined these 3000P girls and what was the experience?

So you think many of these girls make enough money just from drinks so they don't have to BF?
I haven't been to the Philippines yet; next summer I hope. I'm used to the bar and a-gogo scene in Thailand with seperate BF for the bar and a renumeration for the girl. In AC it seems much easier with the all inclusive rate, with maybe a small tip the next day. But what would be interesting to know is how much of the BF the girls get to keep both for the 1500 and the 3000 category? Is there any significant difference there? If the bar keeps the extra 1500 I can certanly understand why girls don't go with customers.

The Lucky Guy
11-13-09, 20:54
I barfined a girl at DollHouse that was defined as "model", "dancer" or something like that, anyway, the cost was much higher than the other girls.

She turned out to be one of the best girls I ever had in AC, extremely nice, extremely shy and extremely willing to fulfil my wishes....
I think I stayed with her first a bit less than a week, then a pause and then a few days again. I had some contact after coming home and on a later trip I met her again – but we are still not married :).

In my opinion, there is no correlation between price and performance; you have to “feel” if the girl is right or not, it is not a matter of high or low price. I don’t have sex with ugly girls or girls with bad attitude in my home town – regardless if it is free or have a cost… Why be different when going to AC?

The girl mentioned was on my scale extremely good looking, having a model face and nice body. As it is in my opinion far between really beautiful girls in AC I didn’t hesitate to pay a little bit extra. Yes, the price was a few times more than other girls, but I rather sleep alone than sleep with a girl that is in my view unattractive (the extra cost for her was the equivalence of a few beers in my home country – it was an easy decision...)






I would think the 3000P vs the 1500P would hurt these girls in getting a lot of BFs. My friends and I have never Bar Fined a Feature Dancer for 3000P, because we thought that these girls would think "their shit don't stink" and not give good service. Many of these girls are no better looking than the 1500P ones either. I'm interested in a GFE and not some girl who thinks I should feel lucky to be with her. Do these Featured Dancers think this way?

Have any of you Bar Fined these 3000P girls and what was the experience?

So you think many of these girls make enough money just from drinks so they don't have to BF?

Chocha Monger
11-14-09, 02:45
They are afraid of getting split in two by western sized cocks.
On the other hand, they wil go with Koreans in a heartbeat!
The big cock thing is great for the ego but it's really wishful thinking. The way the girls explain it is that the Koreans only fuck them long enough to get a nut. Western mongers usually try to fuck all night using Viagra, Cialis, Levitra and whatever. Most Western mongers would fuck the girl every minute of her barfine if they could in an attempt to get their "money's worth." The girls have to work the next day and they don't want a sore pussy because some old deranged monger with a Viagra inflamed dick took a chaser of liquor and couldn't come so he fucked them all night. They also say that in general Western mongers weigh more, a lot more than Koreans but they pay a lot less. They're more likely to want to keep the girl all night and pay her less if she leaves early.

Amjeck
11-14-09, 07:13
In AC it seems much easier with the all inclusive rate, with maybe a small tip the next day.
What do most of you guys tip?

Cunning Stunt
11-14-09, 07:55
..They also say that in general Western mongers weigh more, a lot more than Koreans but they pay a lot less.

Now there is an idea that the bars could run with – barfines determined by weight. Not of the barfinee but of the barfiner. Assuming that the heavier the customer the harder it is for the girl in that she has to put up with being squashed underneath him in missionary and being fat he is usually smellier and uglier than slimmer men who take more care of their appearance. Plus it is a known fact that obesity equates with impotence, so the girl has to work harder getting the guy to pop.

So, say that a guy wants to bf a girl, the mamasan then produces a set of scales, weighs the punter, and consulting a sliding scale of charges according to weight, bills the man accordingly?

Do you think that it would work? It would for me, coz I’m a racing snake;).

Rob Woodrow
11-14-09, 08:24
What are some of those show bars to avoid if looking to score with ease?
Search my recent posts, I did a barhop report not too long ago.

I won't say "never", but it would be unusual for me to attempt to BF out of Atlantis or Crystal Palace. That said, there certainly are guys who have BF'd out of those places at both P1500 and P3000 and had great times. But I think on the whole a guy will have better luck in the less showy places. The story of the guy getting shot down 10 times is amazing, as I think I've only ever been outright rejected 3 times in 8 or 9 trips. Of course there are lots more I didn't even bother to ask, and they might have rejected me if I had--and that's why I didn't.

Squinch Joint
11-14-09, 10:52
my friend has a cherry girl gf he's been boom booming. when he met her at the bar he was told my the mammasan that she was a cherry girl. she wears the badge with the "v" on it for virgin. she told him she was raped by a pinoy while home during the summer, but has never told the mammasan because she doesn't want to boom boom guys. i thinks she feels like "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" doesn't count. i think she liked him and didn't want to have him not select her because she was a cherry girl so she did it with him. she stresses to him that she is no a butterfly and does only him. i think he's lucky because she is very cute/sexy.her name might be irene?

she's a fuckable v and also raped last summer. woke up no panties and no bra. been fukin her since april. has stink pukie disease.

Big Johnson2
11-14-09, 11:58
I haven't been to the Philippines yet; next summer I hope. I'm used to the bar and a-gogo scene in Thailand with seperate BF for the bar and a renumeration for the girl. In AC it seems much easier with the all inclusive rate, with maybe a small tip the next day. But what would be interesting to know is how much of the BF the girls get to keep both for the 1500 and the 3000 category? Is there any significant difference there? If the bar keeps the extra 1500 I can certanly understand why girls don't go with customers.
The bar keeps about 1/2 of whatever they make I believe. I think the girl is getting about 700 or 800P of a bar fine. So maybe they get 1/2 of the 3K but it wouldn't surprise me if the bar they may keeping more.

Big Johnson2
11-14-09, 12:06
Search my recent posts, I did a barhop report not too long ago.

I won't say "never", but it would be unusual for me to attempt to BF out of Atlantis or Crystal Palace. That said, there certainly are guys who have BF'd out of those places at both P1500 and P3000 and had great times. But I think on the whole a guy will have better luck in the less showy places. The story of the guy getting shot down 10 times is amazing, as I think I've only ever been outright rejected 3 times in 8 or 9 trips. Of course there are lots more I didn't even bother to ask, and they might have rejected me if I had--and that's why I didn't.
The 3 biggest Show Bars that come to mind are the Dollhouse, Atlantis, and Crystal Palace, all owned by the same company. With over a one hundred girls working at anyone time. You will definitely be able to get a bar fine from someone.

X Man
11-14-09, 15:14
Har, har, you actually can be funny when you aren't trying to take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of someone.

On another vein, I usually get the question "what hotel". I don't remember anyone ever asking if I was hyping on the erectile vitamins. But maybe that is only because I'm not an obese guy with an odor.


Now there is an idea that the bars could run with – barfines determined by weight. Not of the barfinee but of the barfiner. Assuming that the heavier the customer the harder it is for the girl in that she has to put up with being squashed underneath him in missionary and being fat he is usually smellier and uglier than slimmer men who take more care of their appearance. Plus it is a known fact that obesity equates with impotence, so the girl has to work harder getting the guy to pop.

So, say that a guy wants to bf a girl, the mamasan then produces a set of scales, weighs the punter, and consulting a sliding scale of charges according to weight, bills the man accordingly?

Do you think that it would work? It would for me, coz I’m a racing snake;).

Chocha Monger
11-14-09, 15:26
Now there is an idea that the bars could run with – barfines determined by weight. Not of the barfinee but of the barfiner. Assuming that the heavier the customer the harder it is for the girl in that she has to put up with being squashed underneath him in missionary and being fat he is usually smellier and uglier than slimmer men who take more care of their appearance. Plus it is a known fact that obesity equates with impotence, so the girl has to work harder getting the guy to pop.

So, say that a guy wants to bf a girl, the mamasan then produces a set of scales, weighs the punter, and consulting a sliding scale of charges according to weight, bills the man accordingly?

Do you think that it would work? It would for me, coz I’m a racing snake;).
I don't see why not. The airline industry is certainly headed in that direction. Each man should pay for his own weight. The girls would love it. They'll make more money on the tougher jobs and it would be easier on the pockets of the racing snakes. It might also save the lives of those land going cetaceans who are one bar fine away from a copulatory induced heart attack by providing an incentive for them to put their growth in check.

X Man
11-14-09, 15:41
The gals that are more daring do their own weight check. They put their hand between my legs and wrap five fingers around the family jewels.

I think cetacean and copulatory in one sentence is kind of interesting. Were you watching Discovery channel before posting? X


I don't see why not. The airline industry is certainly headed in that direction. Each man should pay for his own weight. The girls would love it. They'll make more money on the tougher jobs and it would be easier on the pockets of the racing snakes. It might also save the lives of those land going cetaceans who are one bar fine away from a copulatory induced heart attack by providing an incentive for them to put their growth in check.

Chocha Monger
11-14-09, 16:49
The gals that are more daring do their own weight check. They put their hand between my legs and wrap five fingers around the family jewels.

I think cetacean and copulatory in one sentence is kind of interesting. Were you watching Discovery channel before posting? X
No. But I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night.

Hesekiels
11-14-09, 22:28
What do most of you guys tip?

Amjeck:

if the service (LT) was 'normal' I usually give 300 pesos, if the service was 'lousy' 0 pesos, but for an 'outstanding' performance the cuty gets 500 pesos.

However, bear in mind that there are mates who give more, whereas others do not tip at all. Anyway, it's entirely up to you!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Rubberyman
11-15-09, 04:11
What do most of you guys tip?


Where are you from?

Because Koreans give large tips, the girls are used to expecting a large tip from them. Aussies give trike fares sometimes. US citizens probably in the middle somewhere.

The ladies are smart enough to guilt people into tipping according to the tipper's culture whatever that is.

Rob Woodrow
11-15-09, 06:53
Amjeck:

if the service (LT) was 'normal' I usually give 300 pesos, if the service was 'lousy' 0 pesos, but for an 'outstanding' performance the cuty gets 500 pesos.

However, bear in mind that there are mates who give more, whereas others do not tip at all. Anyway, it's entirely up to you!

Cheers!


Hesekiels
That's roughly what I tip as well. I use a rule of thumb of 100 pesos per round, plus 100 for BJ. But NO tip for one-rounders. So four rounds w/ BJ would be 500 pesos--I'd call that outstanding performance.

Rob Woodrow
11-15-09, 06:58
The 3 biggest Show Bars that come to mind are the Dollhouse, Atlantis, and Crystal Palace, all owned by the same company. With over a one hundred girls working at anyone time. You will definitely be able to get a bar fine from someone.
Uh...like I said...

I won't say "never", but it would be unusual for me to attempt to BF out of Atlantis or Crystal Palace. That said, there certainly are guys who have BF'd out of those places at both P1500 and P3000 and had great times. But I think on the whole a guy will have better luck in the less showy places.

Amjeck
11-15-09, 14:17
Amjeck:

if the service (LT) was 'normal' I usually give 300 pesos, if the service was 'lousy' 0 pesos, but for an 'outstanding' performance the cuty gets 500 pesos.

However, bear in mind that there are mates who give more, whereas others do not tip at all. Anyway, it's entirely up to you!

Cheers!


Hesekiels
So does the standard bar fine(1500 or 3000 - depending on girl/bar) mean that the girl is obliged to stay all night(LT not ST) or is that pretty much up to the girl?

Aussiec
11-15-09, 16:22
I was with a girl from Blue Nile who spent 4 days. with me. It was difficult to bar fine her because she had a rule to only go with Japanese or Korean. She said No first day but second day I went back to bar she finally said yes, and so well worth it. I asked her while she was with me "Why she prefer Asian guys?" her response...."2 + 2 + 2". What does that mean? She responded.

2 inches + 2 minutes + 2 thousand Peso.

Aussiec
11-15-09, 16:28
If you pay P1500 to P 3000 for barfine (why someone would pay P3000 when you can get same results for less is beyond me) you should discuss before you leave bar if she will stay all night. Girls that make excuse we call "runners". Its always good idea to have all things clear before you leave bar.

Hesekiels
11-15-09, 17:01
So does the standard bar fine(1500 or 3000 - depending on girl/bar) mean that the girl is obliged to stay all night(LT not ST) or is that pretty much up to the girl?


Amjeck:

yes, LT is indeed pretty much standard! But it is not unusual that some girls try to disappear after one round, let's say at 2am! So, better make crystal clear what you expect from the cuty before you barfine her. I always tell the girl beforehand that she can leave earliest at 8am after having had one morning session! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Sammon
11-15-09, 18:41
So does the standard bar fine(1500 or 3000 - depending on girl/bar) mean that the girl is obliged to stay all night(LT not ST) or is that pretty much up to the girl?
It is pretty much up to the girl. Many will say LT when you barfine her but will run away giving one excuse or the other. Believe me some girls you would like to get rid of as quickly as possible.
Bottom line is apart from not giving a tip there is no hard and fast rule for her to give you sex or stay with you as long as you like. Most of the girls in AC are good in the sense they know what is expected of her.

Hesekiels
11-15-09, 20:00
It is pretty much up to the girl ... there is no hard and fast rule for her to give you sex or stay with you ...


is it really like that??? I was told by a couple of mamasan's that barfine automatically means LT, of course including sex (I am not talking about cherry girls here)! However, if the girl runs away after two hours the customer can go back to the bar in order to raise a complaint (options: money back/ choosing another girl).

Gentlemen, correct me if I am mistaken!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Rob Woodrow
11-16-09, 09:15
So does the standard bar fine(1500 or 3000 - depending on girl/bar) mean that the girl is obliged to stay all night(LT not ST) or is that pretty much up to the girl?
It's up to the girl, and some of them will flat-out lie to you. One trip I hit a string of bad luck and had a 50% runner rate. Most of the time it's closer to 10%.

In my experience, the girls most likely to ST you are the Fields Ave. afternoon shift girls, especially Lollipop, Voodoo, and Dollhouse.

And when I use the term ST, I really mean "one round". If I BF a girl at 2pm and she stays until 10pm and gives me 3 rounds in the process, I don't consider that ST just because she doesn't spend the night.

X Man
11-16-09, 11:40
And one other often used cliche..."they will tell you what you want to hear".

My guess is she heard the 2/2/2 joke from someone like you. X




I was with a girl from Blue Nile who spent 4 days. with me. It was difficult to bar fine her because she had a rule to only go with Japanese or Korean. She said No first day but second day I went back to bar she finally said yes, and so well worth it. I asked her while she was with me "Why she prefer Asian guys?" her response...."2 + 2 + 2". What does that mean? She responded.

2 inches + 2 minutes + 2 thousand Peso.

AsiaFloyd
11-16-09, 16:37
Thanks for the reminders why I stopped going to AC because I got more quality action (stay over night. Gfe) in manila, cebu, BKK and Pattaya.

I don't like the 1100 barfine concept, I prefer pay the barfine, pay the girl in the morning.

Earlier on I used to strike 1 or 2 runners each trip, thats why I loathed Cambodia bar, but up into I met my girl friend in manila my running rate was welldown to 1 or even 0 on latter trips.

Basah
11-16-09, 17:09
So, say that a guy wants to bf a girl, the mamasan then produces a set of scales, weighs the punter, and consulting a sliding scale of charges according to weight, bills the man accordingly?

Do you think that it would work? It would for me, coz I’m a racing snake;).

Dang ... so perhaps, in this grand plan, for those of us that are more on the obese side of a racing snake, we could introduce something along the lines of carbon trading ... call it weight trading? I sell off some of my few extra pounds for a fee that would in part offset my reduce barfine/tip with the girls? Could we set up an Exchange to handle this?

Amjeck
11-16-09, 20:00
i got more quality action (stay over night - gfe) in manila,
Where in Manila?

Poopbunny
11-16-09, 21:19
If you pay P1500 to P 3000 for barfine (why someone would pay P3000 when you can get same results for less is beyond me) .

I would say a P3000 girl is no better or no worse on average IMO.

Sometimes I do pay P3000 because that is the girl I want. If I went for someone else, I would be tortured when I'm back in the real world wondering what she was really like and what I had missed. All because I did not want to pay what seems like a small fortune in AC but only a fraction of an hour of non-GFE service back in the real world.

Tuan U
11-17-09, 00:50
Not sure if this is the right section but. How do you get from Dau to Subic Bay by bus. Which bus and how long does it take? Does Subic Bay have the same types of bars as AC?

Thanks in advance

Sammon
11-17-09, 03:15
is it really like that??? i was told by a couple of mamasan's that barfine automatically means lt, of course including sex (i am not talking about cherry girls here)! however, if the girl runs away after two hours the customer can go back to the bar in order to raise a complaint (options: money back/ choosing another girl).

gentlemen, correct me if i am mistaken!

cheers!


hesekiels
it is not in my nature to complain to the bar or mamasan. after one round if the girl is not willing to stay what is the point in forcing her?
yes, the girl is not obliged to have sex with you. please do not force her if you do not want to be accused of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or worse getting beaten up by some thugs. yes, you can complain to get part of your barfine back. whether they will or will not refund you the money is a big question. they might let you have another girl. but she will ask for a big tip.
in ac you have many good experiences mixed with few bad. just chalk it up to your experience in selecting a girl.

Wizard561
11-17-09, 03:38
is it really like that??? I was told by a couple of mamasan's that barfine automatically means LT, of course including sex (I am not talking about cherry girls here)! However, if the girl runs away after two hours the customer can go back to the bar in order to raise a complaint (options: money back/ choosing another girl).

Gentlemen, correct me if I am mistaken!

Cheers!


Hesekiels


Although we all go there to monger, can we please keep in mind that prostitution is illegal in PI, bar release is just that an early release from work.

Just chalk it up to expirience and move on.

Wizard

Mahal
11-17-09, 08:50
Flew from Cebu to Clarksfield on Cebu Pacific, arrived at 6:20PM. Nice plane, pretty flight attendants but no drink service on the 1h20 flight and yes their website payment system sucks (it worked however using a debit card instead of a credit card).

After my wild night in Cebu, posted in the appropriate section, I was quite tired but excited to finally visit AC, a mandatory stop on any respectable monger’s world map.

RTFF and came up with a list of bars to visit. Stayed at the Pacific Breeze, which is very convenient to the action (they also picked me up at the airport). For the newcomers, a lot of the bars are on a street only a block from the hotel and where I felt safe even at night as it is always crowded. Then as you walk away from the hotel the street merges with another one (probably Fields) and there are more bars there. I decided to start from the furthest place at 8PM and walk back towards the hotel.

Eruptions was my first stop, nice bar, not too many girls but they dance topless and the management was offering shots regularly. Most of the girls were busy with customers, had a couple drinks and moved on.

Brown sugar: OK place with many very young girls, all of them short. My target for the night was a beautiful tall girl with big breasts.

Honeypot: Did not like the place, kind of rundown with a bad sound system. A couple from Australia was there, looking for a dancer to join them in a threesome.

Bunny Ranch: Was fine but I did not like anyone there either so did not stay long.

La Bamba: Nice little bar with some Mexican decorations. Designed for short girls, the ceiling on the dance floor is probably at 5ft. Moved on.

Atlantis: Wow… Now that is a bar. Huge place with lots of choices including several stunners and good shows. On several occasions money was thrown to the girls from upstairs and they all scream and pick it up. But hard to choose due to the sheer number, the fact that they are on 2 floors and often they do no wear their number to dance. I found the girl I wanted from maybe 200 and established eye contact (she invited me on stage right after) but because I had not seen all the bars yet I figured I would come back later to pick her up. Of course that was a mistake when I came back an hour later she was gone and instead the waitress started sitting on me and asking me to bring her home. That is one thing I found out in AC which I did not know, all the waitresses are available for pickup, as well as the tequila girls, everybody.

Lancelot: OK bar but no lookers. A nice blonde and brunette, both waitresses, tried to convince me to take them for a threesome, I could have but instead chatted the tequila girl who turned out to be 27, not my target for the night, and I was not interested in any of the girls on stage and went to Champagne.

Champagne: small bar, few girls, same story the waitresses wanted to bring me into a foursome this time, take all of us, let’s go!

Fantasy: Went there very late, probably all the girls were gone, I was not impressed.

Lost in Asia: I did not go there (did not find the bar, where is it, I did not try hard or ask) but a girl told me they have shows like in Thailand, girls shooting ping pong balls from their pussies etc, if that is your thing.

Ponytails: I was there at closing time (3AM), 2 very nice girls still on stage but one was half asleep and the other one never looked at me. A third one waved at me as I was leaving and said she would want to see me tomorrow. I would go back if I stayed.

Carousel: Nice bar with a carousel open until 5AM. I was checking out one of the waitresses who was dancing quite sexy but when she approached me I did not like her face, which was marked. Nice body but after she came to my table all the other waitresses who had been flirting with me, including a couple cuties, stopped and instead asked me to take her. No way.

Voodoo lounge: I had one or more drinks in every one of the above-mentioned places so by the time I got to Voodoo I was somewhat blasted. So I THINK I went to Voodoo lounge, a 24 hour bar, around 5:15AM. By that time I had gotten used to the idea that after seeing hundreds of available girls I would finish the night alone in my Jacuzzi with nursing a headache and cursing myself for it. That was not to be.

There were several attractive girls in the bar (or perhaps it was the alcohol), I called a couple to sit with me from the stage, one sat on me, the other one was shy and stayed at a distance or sat with her legs crossed, a bad sign. The lively one looked Japanese and told me Koreans and Japanese always think she is one of theirs, which she is not. I almost barfined her but she had told me she was not wild in bed, I think she might have been wrong because she was pretty wild in the bar. She hugged me and appeared to want to go with me but she did not clearly say it and I did not ask.

6AM the 24h bar closes for cleaning but the owner invites everyone to move next door and buys everyone a drink for the inconvenience. Next door an older dancer comes to sit at my table and asks who I like. Of course I don’t know, I was not able to pick from the hundreds of girls I have seen all night, at this point I don’t even care anymore, anything with a pussy will do. No problem she calls Aissa over… Oh my… Beautiful 18 year old girl who just started her shift. She comes over and sits on my lap, I almost came.

Then something happened. 3 French guys with a tall and beautiful (Thai?) girl dressed in short black leather outfit come in the bar and the girl starts dancing like I have never seen before. Everything stops, everyone is looking, the girls are a little jealous; the guys are mesmerized by this apparition. Word goes around that she is not wearing anything other than the leather dress, a few minutes later she proves it as she is naked on stage showing her shaven pussy with a ring and dancing provocatively. Understand, she is a customer who came with the French guys and acts like some sort of sex slave for one of them. He slaps her butt from time to time, then caresses it. The French guys go on stage and dance with other girls. Then my older dancer, who had just confided that she too had a shaven pussy and was not shy either, goes on stage and removes her clothes. Everyone in the bar is cheering at the two women dancing together, it is 7AM and daylight outside, I can’t believe I am there and about to take the 18 year back to my hotel. The older dancer wants to come along but I would rather not, I give her 200P as a finder’s fee and finally leave. By that time I have been in the bars for over 12 hours, drinking continuously.

We make it to the room at 8AM. At the beginning she was very shy and I thought she was not even going to stay, then with patience and softness she somehow changed into this tigress who fu**ed me like never before and gave me what she said was her first BBBJTC ever. Even though I should have been unable to perform, she was so sexy it all came naturally. Aissa can be found at, I think, “King of hearts” or something like that, plying cards are painted on the outside, next door to Voodoo. I do have her cell number too. See photo.

I don’t think this could happen again, and I will never forget this night.

Miscellaneous info

At some point I also asked what a cherry is since the term is used on the forum but was not clear to me. A cherry is a virgin girl, I am not sure if they go out.

Ping pong balls can be purchased and thrown at the dancers. They get 15 pesos for each ball.

Ring the bell means, I think that all the girls stop dancing and come to your table for a drink. Cost 4 to 8K.

Rob Woodrow
11-17-09, 10:15
My target for the night was a beautiful tall girl with big breasts.
As you probably found out, AC has an extremely limited supply of tall girls.

The lively one looked Japanese and told me Koreans and Japanese always think she is one of theirs, which she is not. I almost barfined her but she had told me she was not wild in bed, I think she might have been wrong because she was pretty wild in the bar. She hugged me and appeared to want to go with me but she did not clearly say it and I did not ask.
If you're talking about the one that I think you're talking about, she's the worst barfine I've ever had. She was definitely not wild in bed. In fact she pretty much complained about the whole thing nonstop. I was considering taking her back to the bar for a refund instead of shagging her, but Rob Jr. was in control.

Aissa can be found at, I think, “King of hearts” or something like that, plying cards are painted on the outside, next door to Voodoo. I do have her cell number too. See photo.
King of Diamonds. She's probably normally at Voodoo, was only at KOD because Voodoo was undergoing maintenance.

At some point I also asked what a cherry is since the term is used on the forum but was not clear to me. A cherry is a virgin girl, I am not sure if they go out.
Some cherries aren't for sale, some are, some aren't really cherry, some will do BJ. Identified by a red V on their ID tags. Check it before you even buy them a drink. This is why I sit right at the stage when I'm searching.

Fizzin
11-17-09, 14:29
is it really like that??? I was told by a couple of mamasan's that barfine automatically means LT, of course including sex (I am not talking about cherry girls here)! However, if the girl runs away after two hours the customer can go back to the bar in order to raise a complaint (options: money back/ choosing another girl).

Gentlemen, correct me if I am mistaken!

Cheers!

HesekielsGetting your money back is going to be difficult at best. The police used a foreigner to set up a bar in the past to bust them for prostitution. The set up was to barfine the girl then go back and complain the girl wouldn't have sex. The bar refunded the money then everyone was quickly arrested for prostitution and the bar closed down. So now technically you are only paying for the girl to be able to leave the bar with you. The reality is that she is supposed to stay all night and have sex but getting a refund if this doesn't happen will be difficult if not impossible.

Fast Eddie 48
11-18-09, 00:47
Getting your money back is going to be difficult at best. The police used a foreigner to set up a bar in the past to bust them for prostitution. The set up was to barfine the girl then go back and complain the girl wouldn't have sex. The bar refunded the money then everyone was quickly arrested for prostitution and the bar closed down. So now technically you are only paying for the girl to be able to leave the bar with you. The reality is that she is supposed to stay all night and have sex but getting a refund if this doesn't happen will be difficult if not impossible. To Fizzin

I always confirm with the girl before I barfined her that she will stay all night, most girl don't like to stay all night if is early in the evening, the hot one know they can get another barfine, even you confirm with mamasan but after the first shot if she want to leave there are no refund but I once went back to the bar to compalin the girl leave after one hr after I was promise all nighter by her and the mamasan and she got me another girl but I was a regular customer and know the mamasan and buy her drinks for 3 nights.

I will offer a tip of 500 peso in the morning and take them to breakfast, I think if you treat the girl nice she will happy to stay overnight with you, I have barfine over 20 girl at AC only 3 skip out early on me with some lame excuse.

Fast Eddie 48

Guy Wif Attitude
11-20-09, 02:38
Just finished 4 days in AC.

Day 1

Stayed at Pacific Breeze. Good as usual but noticed that the rooms in the main wing are looking a little tired. As soon as I arrived, went to the International (Shanos) and met up with the 3 longtime friends I had there. Girls rarely leave this place. Tips must be good I reckon. Barfined a 22 y/o girl from Bodyshop. Perfect body and cute baby face. Plenty of girls here were giving me the eye. The 'body shop' look is very young and <5"4. Ideal if you have a fetish for the teenage look. Hehe. Who doesn't? Some old NZer sitting next to me started complaining about Philippines. WTF you old fart. If you were in your country no one (I mean no one) would talk to you and here you have the pick of young brown beauties. Jeez old age really doesn't make some people any wiser and people need to appreciate AC for what it is. Mindless sex baby. Really liked Klub Klasse and got friendly with the british papasan and was given a couple of free shooters. Chatted to a friendly good looking waitress and got her number. She is from Manila and used to work at Bench (a clothing label). Took my barfine (who by the way was a very cute spinner) to Shooters (one of the new bars in that new Beer garden). Met up with the papasan their (who I met on a previous trip) and immediately got accosted by 2 dancers who were quite tall and sexy. Bought them 2 lady drinks and they showed my their tits and started kissing me. Lucky my barfine was talking to someone else. This bar was rocking in my opinion and the girls were clearly having fun. Left at about 1-30am for the hotel. Girl was a very good kisser and wanted to ride me. Was very vocal and liked sex. Fucked her twice that nite. Went to kokomos for breakfast and she couldn't stop talking about some guy she had met on a previous trip who barfined her for a week, and apparently he used to go jogging in the mornings (WTF. Who jogs in the street in AC?) and used to work 9hours a day on his laptop. Showed me pics on her phone, as well as other guys she knows. Her cellphone had a TV as well. Hella cool! Couldn't stop talking. Incessant bullshit. So got sick of listening. These girls clearly have no brain. I think if I moved to Philippines I would get braindead listening to their mindless crap (but the sex would make up for it, hehe)

Guy Wif Attitude
11-20-09, 02:59
day 2

started off at kokomos in late evening. a swedish guy sat next to me. we started chatting. told me about how he took an ac bargirl back to his country for a couple of months. over 2 months he sent 200k peso to the girls family (i can't believe this shit and am really intrigued by how a grown man can be so sucked in). anyway he comes back to philz and goes to stay with the girls family. on the first nite, the girls mother asks for more money and doesn't care that he has flown for 20hrs and just wants to rest. the next day he felt 'used' and decides to leave because of the mums bad attitude. this bloke has a really good heart i could tell, a regular 'captain save-a-ho'. ask daddy warbucks for a definition for all you non ghetto peeps, hehe. anyway he is now in love with another girl. she shows up at the table. damn she is hot i must say. i get her number and i am still txting her. she says they are still together but in the future i wud like to tap that ass for sure.

checked out skytrax and the waitress puts me on a table with 3 other girls. things are too easy in ac! one of the girls says she has a marine boyfriend. i ask her if he has abs. shes says no, he has a tummy. wtf? standards must be slipping. bought her 2 tequila shots. she introduces me to her 2 other friends. one friend (half indian) was all over me but was a bit chubby so i wasnt interested. i want an indian/pinay one day. can't wait for the right one to come along. the other one was a tall cutie and i immediately started grinding on her ass. only in ac can i get away with this shit! in australia you have to talk, impress the girl with your popularity, good looks, sense of humour, fashion sense, and even then i get rejected 90% of the time. heheh. anyway i was getting drunk and forgot to get the number. went to cr and on the way back got 2 more girls to dance. one was all over me so i took them back to the table. at this stage it was me and 6 girls.omg only in ac! biggest mistake i made was getting drunk. i had to leave because the bar kept spinning. omg. went home alone. what a bad ending to this fairytale. anyway, i always have one nite on a trip where i get wasted. this was the one i had to put down to experience.

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Hesekiels
11-20-09, 12:39
... Heard of LA Cafe(sport bar with waitresses). Heard about Burgos St.

Do I need to pay the girl after?

Halnase:

The aforementioned places are not in Angeles, but in Metro Manila! Well, it might be a good idea to read a couple of posts!? What do you think? :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Samar 2009
11-20-09, 19:29
gwa. i read your report and it sounds interesting. you are telling us that back in your country you get rejected 90% by girls, could it be because of your attitude? you are criticising the swedish guy for spending a lot on this bar girl, especially her family. it's his money bro not yours and if you didn't like the conversation, you could have just left. wtf?

regarding you getting her number and you are still texting her. wtf angeles run out of girls and you are hitting on someone else's girl? yes you are texting her and he is fucking her

talking to the girls in skytrax about if her bf got abs. wtf man?

is this the way you approach the girls in your country? asking about the physique of their bfs?. i don't think you strike out 90% in australia, most propably 100%.

you go to a/c to get wasted by drinking in excess, instead of enjoying the beautiful girls?

about the swedish guy i think he was pulling your leg when he said that he sent 22k in 2 months. he could've gone to eastern europe which is closer and got himself a little blondie for a quarter of that, and don't forget bro, that money talks and bullshit walks in every country.

samar


day 2

started off at kokomos in late evening. a swedish guy sat next to me. we started chatting. told me about how he took an ac bargirl back to his country for a couple of months. over 2 months he sent 200k peso to the girls family (i can't believe this shit and am really intrigued by how a grown man can be so sucked in). anyway he comes back to philz and goes to stay with the girls family. on the first nite, the girls mother asks for more money and doesn't care that he has flown for 20hrs and just wants to rest. the next day he felt 'used' and decides to leave because of the mums bad attitude. this bloke has a really good heart i could tell, a regular 'captain save-a-ho'. ask daddy warbucks for a definition for all you non ghetto peeps, hehe. anyway he is now in love with another girl. she shows up at the table. damn she is hot i must say. i get her number and i am still txting her. she says they are still together but in the future i wud like to tap that ass for sure.

checked out skytrax and the waitress puts me on a table with 3 other girls. things are too easy in ac! one of the girls says she has a marine boyfriend. i ask her if he has abs. shes says no, he has a tummy. wtf? standards must be slipping. bought her 2 tequila shots. she introduces me to her 2 other friends. one friend (half indian) was all over me but was a bit chubby so i wasnt interested. i want an indian/pinay one day. can't wait for the right one to come along. the other one was a tall cutie and i immediately started grinding on her ass. only in ac can i get away with this shit! in australia you have to talk, impress the girl with your popularity, good looks, sense of humour, fashion sense, and even then i get rejected 90% of the time. heheh. anyway i was getting drunk and forgot to get the number. went to cr and on the way back got 2 more girls to dance. one was all over me so i took them back to the table. at this stage it was me and 6 girls.omg only in ac! biggest mistake i made was getting drunk. i had to leave because the bar kept spinning. omg. went home alone. what a bad ending to this fairytale. anyway, i always have one nite on a trip where i get wasted. this was the one i had to put down to experience.

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Guy Wif Attitude
11-21-09, 07:36
you are criticising the swedish guy for spending a lot on this bar girl, especially her family. it's his money bro not yours and if you didn't like the conversation, you could have just left. wtf?the purpose of my report is to entertain the members of this site with interesting anecdotal experiences. of course i enjoyed the conversation and the dude and i exchanged numbers, he is a good fella. some of us peeps enjoy life and travel and conversations. loosen up bro.


regarding you getting her number and you are still texting her. wtf angeles run out of girls and you are hitting on someone else's girl? yes you are texting her and he is fucking herthe purpose of me texting her is a bit of a socialogical experiment. to see if she will f*ck me after he leaves the country. i guarantee you my friend, the answer will be yes.


talking to the girls in skytrax about if her bf got abs. wtf man?the chick gave me her number. end of story.


is this the way you approach the girls in your country? asking about the physique of their bfs?. i don't think you strike out 90% in australia, most propably 100%.i only approach hotties, so i would say 90% strike out. if it was the kind of birds you would be able to pull, i would say 0% strike out. fyi i picked up a chicks number at sydney airport who was going backpacking to burma while in the departure lounge. i aint no bradd pitt, but i aint no slouch either.


about the swedish guy i think he was pulling your leg when he said that he sent 22k in 2 months. he could've gone to eastern europe which is closer and got himself a little blondie for a quarter of that200k. not 22k. so what, i could have gone to kings cross in sydney and picked up a little blondie too? but i prefer the little hotties here.

Samar 2009
11-21-09, 20:32
it's all good gwa. everyone has his opinions and conducts his own experiments. sorry but i was under the impression that you didn't enjoy the company of the swedish guy only because he was treating the family of the girl big time. i do enjoy life bro. i've clicked more miles in my travels, than a check captain. most propably you are a lot younger than i am and i did and still am enjoying life to the fullest.

regarding your sociological experiment. i can tell you with a 99% certainty that she will f*ck you for sure and everyone who will come along. that's the nature of the girls in angeles and that's their purpose for being there and the majority of them are doing it out of necessity for survival.

i also pick up hotties bro continuesly with no problem at all in my travels. cause as i have said money talks and bullshit walks.

i've conducted my own experiment not long ago. i've travelled with one of my staff (25 years old) in thailand and believe me he was a handsome boy as well. he was eventually approached by a little hottie and we were sitting at the same table. he then said to me. do you see what happens if you are young and handsome?. big mistake. i asked the girl to come over so i can talk to her. which she did. the end of the story was that i was the one who took the girl to my room and f*cked her and my travelling companion was left holding his dick. i just wanted to prove to him that the power of the man is not his age or looks. but the power of the hip pocket.

the power of the girls is their looks. but they only have a limited shelf life.

i didn't intend to flame you gwa. enjoy life and live the dream.

samar


the purpose of my report is to entertain the members of this site with interesting anecdotal experiences. of course i enjoyed the conversation and the dude and i exchanged numbers, he is a good fella. some of us peeps enjoy life and travel and conversations. loosen up bro.

the purpose of me texting her is a bit of a socialogical experiment. to see if she will f*ck me after he leaves the country. i guarantee you my friend, the answer will be yes.

the chick gave me her number. end of story.

i only approach hotties, so i would say 90% strike out. if it was the kind of birds you would be able to pull, i would say 0% strike out. fyi i picked up a chicks number at sydney airport who was going backpacking to burma while in the departure lounge. i aint no bradd pitt, but i aint no slouch either.

200k. not 22k. so what, i could have gone to kings cross in sydney and picked up a little blondie too? but i prefer the little hotties here.

Genghois
11-26-09, 23:39
I barfined a girl at DollHouse that was defined as "model", "dancer" or something like that, anyway, the cost was much higher than the other girls.

She turned out to be one of the best girls I ever had in AC, extremely nice, extremely shy and extremely willing to fulfil my wishes....
I think I stayed with her first a bit less than a week, then a pause and then a few days again. I had some contact after coming home and on a later trip I met her again – but we are still not married :).

In my opinion, there is no correlation between price and performance; you have to “feel” if the girl is right or not, it is not a matter of high or low price. I don’t have sex with ugly girls or girls with bad attitude in my home town – regardless if it is free or have a cost… Why be different when going to AC?

The girl mentioned was on my scale extremely good looking, having a model face and nice body. As it is in my opinion far between really beautiful girls in AC I didn’t hesitate to pay a little bit extra. Yes, the price was a few times more than other girls, but I rather sleep alone than sleep with a girl that is in my view unattractive (the extra cost for her was the equivalence of a few beers in my home country – it was an easy decision...)

Completely agree with you, Lucky (though I can't ever imagine staying with an AC girl for a week!) Some guys consider the show-girls/models a rip-off, and depending on your budget, I can't say I disagree. But it all comes down to the chemistry and attraction between the two of you. If she's the girl you want, and all of the signs are good, and the wallet is not in disagreement, go for it.

I've bf'd one show-girl on each of my past two visits, and they were both great ladies. Doesn't mean they were, because of their status/price, inherently better than the regular girls. And I certainly didn't go into the club with the intention of bf'ing a show-girl. They were just girls that I hit it off with, and it went from there.

There's no lack of great experiences to be had, regardless of price level. I just let it roll. Whoever I hit it off with, that's my direction for the night!

World Guy Sh
11-28-09, 06:45
I have been RTFF and searching for something akin to the beginners guides that have ben created in some other forums. Does a good up to date one exist so I don't go asking daft questions on paying, good bars, bad bars etc etc. Expecting it to be different from Manila (which I know well). My impression is that payment is made in the bar and then you tip the girl from 1PHP upwards.

Anyway, links or other to such would be most useful to ensure no stupid over payments / scams / knowing where the best girls for threesomes are found etc (ha ha). And hopefully reduce annoying qustions.

Serached Beginners, Guide, Starter and through the the ROD.

Cheers,

WGS

LoveAsianWhores
11-29-09, 04:54
well, friday night i finally got scammed in angeles. i've probably had well over a hundred barfines in ac, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. anyway, i'll give a quick overview of what happened and then i want some advice on how to handle the bar when i return tonight. i won't mention the bar at this point for a couple of reasons, but i'll just say it is one of the largest and well known in ac.

so, i'm walking past the bar friday night and see a cute doorgirl. i talk to her for a minute and then ask her inside for a drink. she tells me that she is a waitress (just talking to the doorgirls outsite and they wear the same uniform) and has been there for a year, but never had a barfine. she seems like a very nice girl. i figure she might be a cherry girl, but she never mentions it, and i don't care because i like working on cherry girls as i go to ac just about every week and they make good girlfriends if you find a nice one.

she is very eagar to barfine with me, so we go. from her interaction with all the other girls there, it really did apper that i was her first barfine. it is possible that all the other bargirls were just playing along, but i would think that is unlikely (but who knows).

so we go to crystal palace to hang around for a while. she gets quite drunk, and i get the impression that she is not some simple virgin bargirl, but i also get the impression that she likes me. some girls are quite indifferent to me, and some girls really like me (like girls everywhere), but i was quite sure that she liked me. anyway, after about an hour or so, we head back to my hotel. she tells me that she does not want to go to my hotel, but wants to go to my house in subic. i explain to her that is not going to happen, and she appears dissapointed, but she agrees to go my hotel. from the way things went at the hotel, i get the impression that she is certainly no virgin, but the barfine thing is new to her. she has no condom, so we have someone bring one to the room. as we start to have sex, she tells me it hurts and that i must stop or she will call the police. what the fuck! everything was a rather typical barfine experiance, and then all of a suddden that. i actually didn't even get my dick inside her. i immediately stopped and said she should just go home. she apologized, said that it just hurt, and wanted to continue. but obviously, this was way to weird (and potentially dangerous) so i said no. she tells me that she wants me to take her back to her bar. when we get there, she wants go inside and have a drink. she was all smiles around everyone in the bar, we had a drink, and then she wanted me and her mamasan to go to a private place and have a talk. i was getting stronger and stronger bad vibes from this girl, so i said no. she then wants continue to go barhopping. i said no. she then says that she wants to go back to my hotel and spend the night with me. i obviously say no to that as well. we say our goodbyes, and i go back to my hotel to get some rest (big mistake! when weird shit happens, get the fuck out of dodge). about an hour later, the phone rings and the receptionist asks me to come down. i find two police officers there, "inviting" me to come down to the police station.

i won't go into the long drawn out affair that went on at station 4 (the angeles police station), so i'll mention the key points. she said i raped her. she wanted a 100,000 pesos. the police were definately not part of this and i got the impression they were on my side (i have dealt with crooked police and staight police in my 5 years out here, and these guys were "relatively" straight). the conversations would have been completely different had these guys just wanted to get money out of me. they told me that if she insisted, they would have to file a report, and to avoid that, it would just be easier to give her some money, but it was up to me. he asked me how much i could get right now, and i said about 22,000 from my atm. they said that she wants 30,000 (after various negotiations), and i said i'll try, but i may only be able to get 22,000. we go to my atm, i get the 22,000 from my atm. i tell the officer that i can't get 30,000, and he just says to talk to her directly to see if she will accept it. we get back, and she appears quite distraught (not sure what happened while i was gone), but her attitude had totally changed. i tell her that i only could get 22,000. she doesn't say a word and i give her the 22,000. we sign an agreement and thats that. while chatting to the policeman on the way back, he explains that at first she said that she was a virgin and i took her virginity, but later recanted under questionning. it also appears that under no circumstances would they have actually made an official report of this (due her lying). my agreement to pay her 30, 000 was apparently made before all the facts came out, but i had agreed, and the cops had no interest in saving me any money. but if i had pushed this, i could have gotten away without paying anything (which i suspected, but the 22, 000 was a relatively small amount to me, and i saw no need to take any chance over huge consequences with such a small amount.

so what really happened? here is my best bet. she was working as a virgin at the bar (pretending to be a "real" cherry girl), and she thought i had got my dick inside her, and that i would tell, and she would no longer be a cherry girl. also, she was upset that i was treating her like just a typical barfine, when it was her first barfine and she thought i would be her boyfriend. she tells everyone at the bar that i took her cherry and gave her nothing. she decides that this is an opportunity to get some money.

of course this could have been a well planned out scam from the beginning, but that is not the impression i got.

so, the point of this post is to get some feedback on the best way to handle this situation when i return to the bar tonight. i plan on seeing the manager and demanding that the bar give my back my 22,000. of course they will refuse. i will then say "that must mean you guys are in on this scam, and i will have to set up a meeting with harry the horse (a very well known local expat reporter on the barscene who is widely followed by all locals). he will certainly publish my story, which the bar will not like. i am quite sure that if agree to not follow though with anything and forget about the 22, 000, at least i will the girl fired and blacklisted from all the other bars.

any other ideas on how to handle this?

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Hesekiels
11-29-09, 21:13
well, friday night i finally got scammed in angeles. i've probably had well over a hundred barfines in ac, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. anyway, i'll give a quick overview of what happened and ...
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

law:

is this really a true story? if yes, then i am speechless! and honestly spoken i have not the slightest idea why a bargirl should behave in a way like that! she got her money from a customer (barfine, drinks), hence there is absolutely no reason to come up with such a bullshit! strange!!!

cheers!


hesekiels

Warbucks
11-29-09, 23:11
LAW:

is this really a true story?

Damn right its true LAW has been a member of this forum since 02' he has no reason to lie.


Well, Friday night I finally got scammed in Angeles. I've probably had well over a hundred barfines in AC, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. Anyway, I'll give a quick overview of what happened and then I want some advice on how to handle the bar when I return tonight. I won't mention the bar at this point for a couple of reasons, but I'll just say it is one of the largest and well known in AC.


Of course this could have been a well planned out scam from the beginning, but that is not the impression I got.

So, the point of this post is to get some feedback on the best way to handle this situation when I return to the bar tonight. I plan on seeing the manager and demanding that the bar give my back my 22,000. Of course they will refuse. I will then say "that must mean you guys are in on this scam, and I will have to set up a meeting with Harry the horse (a very well known local expat reporter on the barscene who is widely followed by all locals). He will certainly publish my story, which the bar will not like. I am quite sure that if agree to not follow though with anything and forget about the 22, 000, at least I will the girl fired and blacklisted from all the other bars.

Any other ideas on how to handle this?

LAW man out this bar and girl man. Don't let them get away with this shit. First (good idea) try to get your money back if they refuse out this bar and the girl on every mongering/PI orientated site you know. I belong this forum another I will definitely spread the word. That shit was foul. If I was you I would be passing out fuck this bar/bar-girl T-Shirts by now....

Hesekiels
11-29-09, 23:43
Damn right its true LAW has been a member of this forum since 02' he has no reason to lie.




no offense! I just wanted to make sure that it is not another "sociological experiment"! However, in order to prevent other mates from such an unpleasant experience it might be useful to disclose the name of the bar and the girl! What do you think LAW?

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Fiend Devil
11-30-09, 00:08
Took home Michelle from Club Asia recently. I think she's the best Club Asia has got to offer. A very strange bar imho, not the type of place I'd go back to as full of average average girls. A few nice ones, alot of korean guys about this bar blowing cash.

Bar Fine = 3000 peso's here. I could not bargin this down whatsover, I tried and tried but they wouldnt reduce the cost. I thought it was a bit much as this was my first barfine in Angeles but maybe it's the normal price ?

For one lady drink of 150 peso's Michelle was grinding me for like an hour like crazy. I nearly bursted a blood vessel in my dick so many times when she was ontop of me grinding. She was trying her best to get me off right there in the bar. Totally a sex maniac.

She was telling me she had a swedish boyfriend who brought her to sweden for 6 months but she got rid of him as he couldn't satisfy her sexual desires !!!

Anyways, got back to the Lewis Grand and she was incredible. A really really horny girl who knows what she likes.

Acfreddie
11-30-09, 02:35
Bar Fine = 3000 peso's here. I could not bargin this down whatsover, I tried and tried but they wouldnt reduce the cost. I thought it was a bit much as this was my first barfine in Angeles but maybe it's the normal price ?



By far the P3000 barfine is found Vastly on fields ave and only at the DHG (doll house group bars, which are club asia, doll house, tropix, crystal palace, atlantis, pony tails). They have what they call spotlight dancers and those girls are P3,000 for their bar fines. With so many other bars and available girls at a more realistic price of between P1300 and P1500, there imo is no reason to pay P3000 for an AC girl in AC. The P3000 girls in the DHG bars are 95% of the time ready to make a deal with you during their non working hours. Just obtain their cell phone numbers and give them yours, wait a day usually they will txt you in less than 6 hours, then make your arrangements through txt.

While on the topic of pricing for bars in AC. Check out the website of www.acbarprices.com. I came across this pricing website months ago. Its regularly updated and has lists and lists of all things related to AC pricing, scams of ac and the bars that are ripping off customers or taking advantage of the tourists.

Member #4698
11-30-09, 02:42
Any other ideas on how to handle this?Yes.

1st - I want to say I think you handled the situation about as well as could be expected. The cops were of no help, in fact, I would say they aided the blackmail scheme by withholding pertinent information like the girl was lying the whole time and they knew it. Perhaps they are planning to extort some cash or something else from the girl at a later time.

2nd - be careful and proceed lightly. I would go to the bar and speak with the management. I would politely tell them what was done to you and calmly ask for your money back, the girl to be fired, and blacklisted in AC. I would point out to the management that if they don’t do everything in their powers to make this right, the story will leak out all over the internet and that would be very bad for business. I would tell them that you don't want this to happen because you like AC and their club. I would show them a copy of this forum with your report clearly highlighted so they know exactly what you are talking about.

3rd - If the bar does not make this right and apologize for this outrage, I would not make any more moves except to get out of town and maybe consider getting out of PI quickly. You were ripped off for $460. It sucks. It could have been worse! You will be able to safely return to AC only after this dies down.

Rocksoff
11-30-09, 04:18
At Club Aura (opposite Club Asia etc), girl name Ella, mamasan Odette. Ella is a tiny little thing with walleyes, waif-ish in a way that I liked. Mamasan assured longtime is OK, but after one shot back at the hotel the sob stories began. If anyone else is interested in this girl, be sure to tell her and the mamasan beforehand that you've heard she is a runner, and that you'll be spreading the word if she keeps it up. If someone prefers shorttime that's up to them, but agreeing to longtime in front of the mamasan and then pulling out is not on.

Key Master
11-30-09, 04:46
LAW,

Sorry to hear of this event. A few things come to my mind in regards to this crap. First off, in regards to getting them drunk, I try my best not to do that. I don't get off on it but it saves me potentially from something getting out of hand. I'm confused on what went on after you went back to her bar with her, on why you didn't talk to the mamasan or the manager on what transpired with her in your room. In regards to paying her off, well it's better than the alternative. Unless you are Filipino, you don't have any rights. It's something you have to take basically.

What to do? I would definitely go back and talk to the mamasan and the manager and if you can the owners. Make it clear that this is unacceptable and something needs to be done. If you can, show proof of what happened in regards to payment. I don't think they'd reimburse you, but who knows? Either way, I'd consider the payoff a lesson to be learned. I'd be sure to let them know if it isn't taken care of correctly by them, that the name of the bar and what transpired in your talks is going to be published.

If you have a photo of this woman, I think you should post it. No doubt about that. If you don't and she's still working, try getting someone else to take her picture and get it posted. It should be known. If for some reason, you don't get it back, it's kind of up to you on how to proceed. There are ways to get payback.

Personally for me after what happened and you left her. I would have checked out ASAP and moved on. Crazy or drunk I don't know, it just doesn't pay.

Dveight
11-30-09, 05:41
well, friday night i finally got scammed in angeles. i've probably had well over a hundred barfines in ac, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. anyway, i'll give a quick overview of what happened and then i want some advice on how to handle the bar when i return tonight. i won't mention the bar at this point for a couple of reasons, but i'll just say it is one of the largest and well known in ac.

so, i'm walking past the bar friday night and see a cute doorgirl. i talk to her for a minute and then ask her inside for a drink. she tells me that she is a waitress (just talking to the doorgirls outsite and they wear the same uniform) and has been there for a year, but never had a barfine. she seems like a very nice girl. i figure she might be a cherry girl, but she never mentions it, and i don't care because i like working on cherry girls as i go to ac just about every week and they make good girlfriends if you find a nice one.

she is very eagar to barfine with me, so we go. from her interaction with all the other girls there, it really did apper that i was her first barfine. it is possible that all the other bargirls were just playing along, but i would think that is unlikely (but who knows).

so we go to crystal palace to hang around for a while. she gets quite drunk, and i get the impression that she is not some simple virgin bargirl, but i also get the impression that she likes me. some girls are quite indifferent to me, and some girls really like me (like girls everywhere), but i was quite sure that she liked me. anyway, after about an hour or so, we head back to my hotel. she tells me that she does not want to go to my hotel, but wants to go to my house in subic. i explain to her that is not going to happen, and she appears dissapointed, but she agrees to go my hotel. from the way things went at the hotel, i get the impression that she is certainly no virgin, but the barfine thing is new to her. she has no condom, so we have someone bring one to the room. as we start to have sex, she tells me it hurts and that i must stop or she will call the police. what the fuck! everything was a rather typical barfine experiance, and then all of a suddden that. i actually didn't even get my dick inside her. i immediately stopped and said she should just go home. she apologized, said that it just hurt, and wanted to continue. but obviously, this was way to weird (and potentially dangerous) so i said no. she tells me that she wants me to take her back to her bar. when we get there, she wants go inside and have a drink. she was all smiles around everyone in the bar, we had a drink, and then she wanted me and her mamasan to go to a private place and have a talk. i was getting stronger and stronger bad vibes from this girl, so i said no. she then wants continue to go barhopping. i said no. she then says that she wants to go back to my hotel and spend the night with me. i obviously say no to that as well. we say our goodbyes, and i go back to my hotel to get some rest (big mistake! when weird shit happens, get the fuck out of dodge). about an hour later, the phone rings and the receptionist asks me to come down. i find two police officers there, "inviting" me to come down to the police station.

i won't go into the long drawn out affair that went on at station 4 (the angeles police station), so i'll mention the key points. she said i raped her. she wanted a 100,000 pesos. the police were definately not part of this and i got the impression they were on my side (i have dealt with crooked police and staight police in my 5 years out here, and these guys were "relatively" straight). the conversations would have been completely different had these guys just wanted to get money out of me. they told me that if she insisted, they would have to file a report, and to avoid that, it would just be easier to give her some money, but it was up to me. he asked me how much i could get right now, and i said about 22,000 from my atm. they said that she wants 30,000 (after various negotiations), and i said i'll try, but i may only be able to get 22,000. we go to my atm, i get the 22,000 from my atm. i tell the officer that i can't get 30,000, and he just says to talk to her directly to see if she will accept it. we get back, and she appears quite distraught (not sure what happened while i was gone), but her attitude had totally changed. i tell her that i only could get 22,000. she doesn't say a word and i give her the 22,000. we sign an agreement and thats that. while chatting to the policeman on the way back, he explains that at first she said that she was a virgin and i took her virginity, but later recanted under questionning. it also appears that under no circumstances would they have actually made an official report of this (due her lying). my agreement to pay her 30, 000 was apparently made before all the facts came out, but i had agreed, and the cops had no interest in saving me any money. but if i had pushed this, i could have gotten away without paying anything (which i suspected, but the 22, 000 was a relatively small amount to me, and i saw no need to take any chance over huge consequences with such a small amount.

so what really happened? here is my best bet. she was working as a virgin at the bar (pretending to be a "real" cherry girl), and she thought i had got my dick inside her, and that i would tell, and she would no longer be a cherry girl. also, she was upset that i was treating her like just a typical barfine, when it was her first barfine and she thought i would be her boyfriend. she tells everyone at the bar that i took her cherry and gave her nothing. she decides that this is an opportunity to get some money.

of course this could have been a well planned out scam from the beginning, but that is not the impression i got.

so, the point of this post is to get some feedback on the best way to handle this situation when i return to the bar tonight. i plan on seeing the manager and demanding that the bar give my back my 22,000. of course they will refuse. i will then say "that must mean you guys are in on this scam, and i will have to set up a meeting with harry the horse (a very well known local expat reporter on the barscene who is widely followed by all locals). he will certainly publish my story, which the bar will not like. i am quite sure that if agree to not follow though with anything and forget about the 22, 000, at least i will the girl fired and blacklisted from all the other bars.

any other ideas on how to handle this?

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.law,

i think that you should post the bars name as well. as i for one certainly do not want to find myself in the same situation. i am glad to hear that everything wotked out for you, even though it cost 22, 000php. i think that if the bar owners mamasan/papasan hear your story at the very least they will fire the girl, i mean they can't want to put with shit like that. personally i think you post this on every ac forum you can find. imho.

RCA Knight
11-30-09, 05:46
It seems like runner rate in AC is getting worse. It was so rare 5 years ago. These 3000 spotlight girls are runner potentials. Last trip barfined 2 times these star girls but both ran away after 1 hour, always some lousy excuse like not feeling well.

There is no use to complain, since these girls bring so much income to these bars.

Nowadays, there is no guarantee all night even lady makes the promise. AC is changing in the bad way.

LoveAsianWhores
11-30-09, 06:12
No offense! I just wanted to make sure that it is not another "sociological experiment"! However, in order to prevent other mates from such an unpleasant experience it might be useful to disclose the name of the bar and the girl! What do you think LAW?

Cheers!

HesekielsUnfortunately, I was not able to make it back to Angels yesterday, so I am not able to post the follow up report I would like. In fact, I may not be able to make it back for a week. But make no mistake, either the girl will be fired, or the bar is FUCKED! But if they do apoligize and fire the girl, it would be unfair to name the bar as they have no way of knowing that they are employing a *****. A bar only has the responsibility to return my barfine and fire the girl once they are notified of an issue. I cannot imagine that once I meet with the bar manager, they will decide it is in their best interest to continue to employ the girl and not return my barfine. I've had some time to think of some quite creative revenge tactics if I don't get my way, although I certainly won't be making any threats as I don't want a bullet in the back of my head. I'll just smile, shake his or her hand, and then initiate my revenge.

And to the poster who asked if this was true. Are you serious? Like I have nothing better to do then make up stories about Angeles. I go there every week, and I have far more true stores to post then anything I could make up. I posted this one only because it was so outrageous and atypical, that I absolutely had to share it.

Hesekiels
11-30-09, 13:06
... A few things come to my mind in regards to this crap. First off, in regards to getting them drunk... .


that's indeed key! According to my experience most girls are getting drunk after having had two SMB or just one glas of red wine. I have learned my lesson and in order to save myself from unpleasant situations I just offer soft drinks when the cuty and I hop to bar #3.

Cheers!


Hesekiels

World Guy Sh
11-30-09, 13:50
Personally for me after what happened and you left her. I would have checked out ASAP and moved on. Crazy or drunk I don't know, it just doesn't pay.No, I think by staying you did the right thing. It showed no guilt (hell, how could it, it had not occured to you as you did nothing wrong?) Running suggests something else.

However, the PI is the PI and you never know what will happen if a corrupt policeman turns up or the sting is bigger. Would they have then raised the alarm had you run? Depends if the hotel has your passport number etc and how deep the scam runs.

Difficult and do not envy your situation. I think to be honest I would now gain more satisfaction from posting the bar and the girls name here than trying to get my money back. But that is me.

Primo Bolan
11-30-09, 16:10
Still no comment from LAW. Did he go back to the bar? Did he talk with the manager? Did he get his money back?

Spanish Main
11-30-09, 17:54
I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.

Can one of you experts suggest the best locations. I want to go in January.

Thanks

ManonsanBoy
11-30-09, 20:45
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]Well, Friday night I finally got scammed in Angeles. They said that she wants 30,000 (after various negotiations), and I said I'll try, but I may only be able to get 22,000. We go to my ATM, I get the 22,000 from my ATM. I tell the officer that I can't get 30,000, and he just says to talk to her directly to see if she will accept it. amount.


Of course this could have been a well planned out scam from the beginning, but that is not the impression I got.


Any other ideas on how to handle this?

QUOTE]

Bar and number of girl. It is simple. If you don't, there will be no copnsequence to this..........the the girl will get another sucker..............or worse still, others will get other suckers

Jambo
11-30-09, 22:14
I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women
Do an online search for info on Camiguin Island (not far from Cagayan de Oro (CDO)). I stayed at a nice "beach" resort there. I recall some info about a rainforest hotel on the mountain nearby. If so, you could save a lot of travel time.

Or just try a google on rain forest hotel Philippines.

Robbaf
11-30-09, 22:46
law:

is this really a true story? if yes, then i am speechless! and honestly spoken i have not the slightest idea why a bargirl should behave in a way like that! she got her money from a customer (barfine, drinks), hence there is absolutely no reason to come up with such a bullshit! strange!!!

cheers!


hesekielsif this is 100% true i feel for law. i am wondering if there is just a little more to the story. he stated that they started to have sex, but yet he states that he never got his dick in??? so, is this a case of "i didn't have sexual relations with that girl!!"

as i read the report it almost seems to me that he kind of knew that he was dealing with a cherry girl.

why didn't you go back to the bar before you left ac?

did you tell the police that you got her from x-bar?

sounds like you live here, as i do and i would rather go to a bar, pay the bar fine and pay her to leave in the morning, then deal with a non-pro drama queen. but if this shit is going to happen with a girl from a bar then i guess we are not safe anywhere in the philippines.

good luck law

robb

Chocha Monger
12-01-09, 00:53
the report posted by loveasianwh0res is disturbing but it isn't the first time that a monger got caught up in a cherry girl or **** scam in ac. for a time, the frequency of the scams decreased. however, now with the decline in the number of mongers visiting ac due to the tough economy, the drop in western union retainers and the local change in leadership at station 4, the scams are back in full swing. it appears that the con artists in ac have declared open season on mongers again.

identifying the girl wouldn't be much help. there will be others and this particular girl is probably long gone by now. her demand of 100,000 pesos would have been a nice prize for a poor bar girl. so most likely she had planned on skipping town. she will have to share the 22,000 pesos with the mamasan and possibly give a tip to the police. knowing which bar it was would be of some help. the value of knowing just how much of his dick law stuck into her is more dubious.

it seems like the girl was acting in consultation with the mamasan. she was sizing law up for the kill from the beginning. the amount extorted may have been higher had she actually seen his dwelling in subic. bar fining cherry girls is a bad idea and attempting to fuck a cherry girl without paying the cherry fee before leaving the bar is an even worse idea. remember that the girls are dirt poor and very desperate prostitutes. you fuck them and then they fuck you!

another possibility is that she got pissed off at law because he wanted nothing to do with her after she made him take his dick out under duress. hell hath no rage like a woman scorned. so she decided to make law pay dearly for rejecting her.

law did the right thing by paying up at the police station. if charges were filed questions would have come up in court as to whether or not she was able to give consent since she was drunk. also, if consent was given there would be debate as to whether his dick was withdrawn the instant that consent was withdrawn. at the end of the day whose word would the pinoy court believe? as a foreigner you're never safe in the philippines.

Matius
12-01-09, 04:15
well, friday night i finally got scammed in angeles. i've probably had well over a hundred barfines in ac, but eventually, the odds catch up with you. anyway, i'll give a quick overview of what happened and then i want some advice on how to handle the bar when i return tonight. i won't mention the bar at this point for a couple of reasons, but i'll just say it is one of the largest and well known in ac.all money should go to the bar, who then allocates the amounts to the mamasan and girl. if the mamasan and/or girl cut a deal, scam or no scam outside the bar, a reputable bar with fire both out or at least get the money from them. other than a tip, you should never pay directly to the girl or mamasan without going through the bar. most bars pay the "commission" to the girl and/or mamasan one day following the transaction, the purpose being to ensure such as you experienced does not happen.

as you describe the events, it is unclear if the mamasan was part of the discussion when you paid the girl. it is unclear if the bar was part of the transaction of 22k peso, thus it will be difficult for the bar if they weren't involved to know what transpired. from your description, i agree that the police did not appear to be part of this, otherwise you would have been paying the money to them and not directly to the girl. but they don't know what the truth is, but appears they did work the girl to try to find the truth. clearly any police department in any part of the world will investigate a claim of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), and their suggestions to you seem to be an attempt to avoid having to keep you all night or longer in their station, or confirep001e your passport.

most bars are reluctant to provide refunds of ewr if the act is consumated, no matter how good or bad the experience. most bars though, take a very dim view of the girls or mamasans conducting exploitive transactions. as a point of reference on a 1, 500 peso ewr (early work release), a bar will keep about 700 peso, the rest, including any tips, go to the mamasan and girl. for 700 peso of revenue, its not worth it to the bar to spoil their reputation. most rip-offs that occur in the bar, overcharging on drinks, etc, are the acts of corrupt waitresses, girls or mamasans, not the policy of the bar. if you speak to the manager or owner when you feel you've been decieved, they will take immediate action to correct it. most bars work hard to prevent these things from occuring, but there over 100 girls and only one or two managers and/or owners. cashiers, checkers, book keepers and stock clerks, are more about protecting the bar from the employees than about ensuring every peso is collected from the customer.

not to suggest this applies to you, but the number of guys who attempt to take a cherry girl on the pretense of bar hopping, get her drunk and do the act is significant. many bars have implemented a policy of taking detailed information on any customer taking a cherry girl on a ewr. it is stupid behaviour to plan this, as in this case, the bars do have friends in the community and if they can find the person, there will be a knock on his door.

cherry girls are a lousy lay and nothing but emotional trouble, just don't understand why they are pursued. i ewr cherry girls all the time for bar hopping and fun, but they provide no interest other than just being part of a party.

Matius
12-01-09, 04:44
By far the P3000 barfine is found Vastly on fields ave and only at the DHG (doll house group bars, which are club asia, doll house, tropix, crystal palace, atlantis, pony tails). They have what they call spotlight dancers and those girls are P3,000 for their bar fines. With so many other bars and available girls at a more realistic price of between P1300 and P1500, there imo is no reason to pay P3000 for an AC girl in AC. The P3000 girls in the DHG bars are 95% of the time ready to make a deal with you during their non working hours. Just obtain their cell phone numbers and give them yours, wait a day usually they will txt you in less than 6 hours, then make your arrangements through txt.Given what LAW just experienced, this is excellent advice, if you a moron. Do all your transactions outside of the bar. If the girl will cheat the bar, do you think maybe she might cheat you? This is called a sneak out, if discovered by the bar, you will be banned from the bar and the girl will be fined or fired. If its the DHG, then you've just been eliminated from about 50% of the biggest bars on Fields. The whole 3000 peso thing is a smoke screen, the very same girls that may go for 3000 on Fields often change jobs and now work on Perimeter road. The reason being they make more money on Perimeter with EWR and cheaper drinks, its a volume business calculation. But some guys get it into their head they got something special at 3, 000 peso. Prices on Perimeter are between 1200 and 1500 at the bar, some of the really small bars charge less and have short time prices. Some bars on Perimeter have VIP rooms and will even make them available for little or no charge if you go with one of their girls for a short time. If you have a problem with the girl, or police if you sneak out, then you are on your own, the bar will even encourage their friends to make your life difficult. Sneak out girls, picking up off the street, all the same, probably save yourself nothing and open yourself to a whole world of hurt if things go bad.

A scam is a scam, if you are going with someone who will scam their employer, don't groan about it when they scam you. If they steal from you in the room, who are you going to for help? In many of these so called 'set ups' one finds behind it some attempt to save themselves $10 USA, not to say that is the case with LAW. Further, to be fair, the DHG is not the only group to have 3, 000 peso EWR. It is common on Fields, at the bigger bars because their overhead is so high.

Eggsalad
12-01-09, 07:05
Hello Gentlemen

After my last AC trip in Feb of 2008, AC has come up in my travel rotation. Since my last trip, I've been to Thailand (3x), China (2x), Costa Rica (3x) and Brazil. I was really looking forward to being in AC again. But I have to say, I am very disappointed this time. On my first day, I was unsuccessful in trying to barfine the first 6 girls. All gave excuses as to why they could not go. They most common excuse was "on my menstruation". This is not the AC I remember. On my previous 3 trips here, you heard excuses for not barfining but not this often. I finally found a girl who would go but refused bj. The next day, it was 3 girls on "mens" before finding one who would go and she didn't have the best hygiene if you get my drift.

It was so bad; I booked tickets for Thailand on my third day. What the hell happened here? Frankly, I’m shocked the bar owners allow this. I think they are all getting too desperate for girls because there are too many bars now. Now you have seasoned guys like me who will avoid AC and go elsewhere. Also, we will stop bringing guys here like I’ve done 3 times in the past. I used to recommend AC to other mongers, especially newbies. But I will think twice before doing so again. There are simply too many better places for a monger to go.

I hope your experience here will be better than mine. See you in Thailand.

Egg

Acfreddie
12-01-09, 07:31
Given what LAW just experienced, this is excellent advice, if you a moron. Do all your transactions outside of the bar. If the girl will cheat the bar, do you think maybe she might cheat you? This is called a sneak out, if discovered by the bar, you will be banned from the bar and the girl will be fined or fired. If its the DHG, then you've just been eliminated from about 50% of the biggest bars on Fields. The whole 3000 peso thing is a smoke screen, the very same girls that may go for 3000 on Fields often change jobs and now work on Perimeter road. The reason being they make more money on Perimeter with EWR and cheaper drinks, its a volume business calculation. But some guys get it into their head they got something special at 3, 000 peso. Prices on Perimeter are between 1200 and 1500 at the bar, some of the really small bars charge less and have short time prices. Some bars on Perimeter have VIP rooms and will even make them available for little or no charge if you go with one of their girls for a short time. If you have a problem with the girl, or police if you sneak out, then you are on your own, the bar will even encourage their friends to make your life difficult. Sneak out girls, picking up off the street, all the same, probably save yourself nothing and open yourself to a whole world of hurt if things go bad.

A scam is a scam, if you are going with someone who will scam their employer, don't groan about it when they scam you. If they steal from you in the room, who are you going to for help? In many of these so called 'set ups' one finds behind it some attempt to save themselves $10 USA, not to say that is the case with LAW. Further, to be fair, the DHG is not the only group to have 3, 000 peso EWR. It is common on Fields, at the bigger bars because their overhead is so high.

Which bars on perimeter road are charging more than P1200?
The only one that I know of is Mirrors (inside the clarkton hotel) and that is for their spotlight type of girls. The vast majority of perimeter bars bar fines are priced at P1200, some are lower, but I have only been living here for years and things do change in seconds here.

Which bars on Fields, other than DHG are charging P3000?
Golden Nile comes close with their P2000 bar fines for certain girls.
The La Pasha Group (LPG) charges P1500, the Champagne group charges P1500, the super majority of independent bars do not charge more than P1,300/1350. I just covered about 95+% of the bars in AC.

Do a sneak out and get banned from a bar. Wow, that would really put an unbearable burden on a tourist if he were to be banned from entering a bar (or even a group of bars) for doing a sneak out. With over 90 bars in AC, what will they do when they get banned at a bar?

If you have a problem with a girl, then virtually all bars will not help you. This is part of the new ac that has been transforming for a couple of years now and continues to get worse. So guys should be of the mindset that sneak out or not, the chances that a bar will help you with any problems you encounter is remote to none. Bars are taking a hands off approach to customer service regarding problems after the girl and customer leave the bar.

Sneak outs as they are commonly termed, are very different than picking girls off the street. That is like attempting to compare an apple and an elephant. Here are a few of the many differentials, one has a city license, one has highly likely been to the weekly required hygiene, one is likely doing "sneak outs" because the bar she works for is low in customers or the bar is high priced, pulling scams and/or rip-offs, decreasing the number of customers in the bar, but while the girl is ok dancing for salary, she may have had a request from her family to send extra money. Since she cannot find a customer to pay her inflated bar fine cost, but she knows or has several offers to do a "sneak out" on her own time, she accepts one (or more) of the offers, so that she can earn the money that she needs. This is common for girls in AC to do, and they do it often. You mentioned cheating (lets term it loyalty), the girls are loyal to their family's first and foremost, the bar come very low on their priority list.
Now for the picking up a girl off the street, This is the dangerous part and was not suggested or recommended in my OP/posting. This is where most of the authority sponsored or authority involved set-ups happen. They are not with girls that work in the bars and on the side do "sneak outs". They are vastly girls that DO NOT work in bars at all.

Key Master
12-01-09, 08:15
Hello Gentlemen

After my last AC trip in Feb of 2008, AC has come up in my travel rotation. Since my last trip, I've been to Thailand (3x), China (2x), Costa Rica (3x) and Brazil. I was really looking forward to being in AC again. But I have to say, I am very disappointed this time. On my first day, I was unsuccessful in trying to barfine the first 6 girls. All gave excuses as to why they could not go. They most common excuse was "on my menstruation". This is not the AC I remember. On my previous 3 trips here, you heard excuses for not barfining but not this often. I finally found a girl who would go but refused bj. The next day, it was 3 girls on "mens" before finding one who would go and she didn't have the best hygiene if you get my drift.

It was so bad; I booked tickets for Thailand on my third day. What the hell happened here? Frankly, I’m shocked the bar owners allow this. I think they are all getting too desperate for girls because there are too many bars now. Now you have seasoned guys like me who will avoid AC and go elsewhere. Also, we will stop bringing guys here like I’ve done 3 times in the past. I used to recommend AC to other mongers, especially newbies. But I will think twice before doing so again. There are simply too many better places for a monger to go.

Egg

I stopped going regularly there about 2 years ago. A lot of people say it's better than anywhere else in PI, but I disagree. For sheer volume, it is. But quality in many aspects it sucks. It became so up and down on my experiences there, I just got tired of the scene there.

Ezinho
12-01-09, 08:20
Hello Gentlemen

After my last AC trip in Feb of 2008, AC has come up in my travel rotation. Since my last trip, I've been to Thailand (3x), China (2x), Costa Rica (3x) and Brazil. I was really looking forward to being in AC again. But I have to say, I am very disappointed this time. On my first day, I was unsuccessful in trying to barfine the first 6 girls. All gave excuses as to why they could not go. They most common excuse was "on my menstruation". This is not the AC I remember. On my previous 3 trips here, you heard excuses for not barfining but not this often. I finally found a girl who would go but refused bj. The next day, it was 3 girls on "mens" before finding one who would go and she didn't have the best hygiene if you get my drift.

It was so bad; I booked tickets for Thailand on my third day. What the hell happened here? Frankly, I’m shocked the bar owners allow this. I think they are all getting too desperate for girls because there are too many bars now. Now you have seasoned guys like me who will avoid AC and go elsewhere. Also, we will stop bringing guys here like I’ve done 3 times in the past. I used to recommend AC to other mongers, especially newbies. But I will think twice before doing so again. There are simply too many better places for a monger to go.

I hope your experience here will be better than mine. See you in Thailand.

Egg
When I was in Angeles City for two months this summer, my live-in fucklet told me about a trick she and some of her friends used on some of the guys that barfined them; she said they had this red powder that they carried with them in their purse and when they would go back to the monger's hotel, they would go into the bathroom, put the red powder on their panties and add water. Then they would come out of the bathroom and tell the monger that they can't have sex because they just started their mens. She said the guys usually fell for it and let her go without boom boom or anything. She was laughing about it and really thought it was funny. Keep in mind, this was an 18 year old bargirl with probably a sixth grade education at best, so if this is the scam she was pulling, God only knows what the smart ones are doing!

I agree with you about AC. I think I'm going to give Thailand a try next year and if the same shit happens there as well I'm just going to head back to Latin America. You don't get as much "GFE" there as compared to Asia, but who wants all that headache anyways. Just look at what happened to LAW.

X Man
12-01-09, 10:36
What time of the month did you go?

Oh...THAT time of the month...

X


Hello Gentlemen

After my last AC trip in Feb of 2008, AC has come up in my travel rotation. Since my last trip, I've been to Thailand (3x), China (2x), Costa Rica (3x) and Brazil. I was really looking forward to being in AC again. But I have to say, I am very disappointed this time. On my first day, I was unsuccessful in trying to barfine the first 6 girls. All gave excuses as to why they could not go. They most common excuse was "on my menstruation". This is not the AC I remember. On my previous 3 trips here, you heard excuses for not barfining but not this often. I finally found a girl who would go but refused bj. The next day, it was 3 girls on "mens" before finding one who would go and she didn't have the best hygiene if you get my drift.

It was so bad; I booked tickets for Thailand on my third day. What the hell happened here? Frankly, I’m shocked the bar owners allow this. I think they are all getting too desperate for girls because there are too many bars now. Now you have seasoned guys like me who will avoid AC and go elsewhere. Also, we will stop bringing guys here like I’ve done 3 times in the past. I used to recommend AC to other mongers, especially newbies. But I will think twice before doing so again. There are simply too many better places for a monger to go.

I hope your experience here will be better than mine. See you in Thailand.

Egg

Ekspat
12-01-09, 11:18
It seems like runner rate in AC is getting worse. It was so rare 5 years ago. These 3000 spotlight girls are runner potentials. Last trip barfined 2 times these star girls but both ran away after 1 hour, always some lousy excuse like not feeling well.
Nowadays, there is no guarantee all night even lady makes the promise. AC is changing in the bad way.
Yeah, same my impression. Was much more fun early this decade.
Just looking along the past 5 years, I've been to AC
2005 12 times
2006 12 times
2007 11 times
2008 9 times
2009 6 times

Also wondering if all girls get to know it.
Will more of them try the scam?

Cheers!

X Man
12-01-09, 11:38
Ekspat, what do these numbers represent? I thought the topic was runners, but no one could have such bad luck.

The only other possibility I can think of is that your are referring to your trips per year. If that is that case, I really hate you. No one should be so fortunate.

If the second scenario is true, have your fewer visits been because of work related issues or your own choice?

X


Yeah, same my impression. Was much more fun early this decade.
Just looking along the past 5 years, I've been to AC
2005 12 times
2006 12 times
2007 11 times
2008 9 times
2009 6 times

Also wondering if all girls get to know it.
Will more of them try the scam?

Cheers!

Rob Woodrow
12-01-09, 11:44
Let me first say that everything that happened to you is BS, and I hope you get reimbursed, but...

I figure she might be a cherry girl, but she never mentions it, and I don't care because I like working on cherry girls as I go to AC just about every week and they make good girlfriends if you find a nice one...

So what really happened? Here is my best bet. She was working as a virgin at the bar (pretending to be a "real" cherry girl), and she thought I had got my dick inside her, and that I would tell, and she would no longer be a cherry girl.
"Might"? "Bet"? So you barfined a girl without even finding out if she was cherry?

Not to pick on LAW because we all "assume" from time to time, but this is a great lesson to the rookies to be thorough in their interviews. Make it clear with the girl what's going to happen before you pay the barfine. Even then you'll still have occasional runners, but you probably won't have the police show up.

LoveAsianWhores
12-01-09, 12:41
if this is 100% true i feel for law. i am wondering if there is just a little more to the story. he stated that they started to have sex, but yet he states that he never got his dick in??? so, is this a case of "i didn't have sexual relations with that girl!!"

as i read the report it almost seems to me that he kind of knew that he was dealing with a cherry girl.

why didn't you go back to the bar before you left ac?

did you tell the police that you got her from x-bar?

sounds like you live here, as i do and i would rather go to a bar, pay the bar fine and pay her to leave in the morning, then deal with a non-pro drama queen. but if this shit is going to happen with a girl from a bar then i guess we are not safe anywhere in the philippines.

good luck law

robb1) 100% true

2) to be as specific as i can, i got the head of my dick, maybe a little bit more, and she said something to the effect of "stop or i will call the police" and i stopped.

3) to accurately respond to your third point, we would have to define cherry girl. my definition is that a cherry girl is a girl who claims to be a virgin so that she can work in the bar and either be selective of who she has sex with, or not have sex with anyone. many cherry girls really are virgins (about 20 to 50 percent, in my estimation.). this particular case was unusual in that she never mentioned that she was a cherry girl, and i never asked. also, before we began to undress, she asked me if i had a condom. for the record, i would never, under any circumstances, take a girls virginity unless we had a very clear understanding of what my responsibilites would b. later, after we had gotten dressed she then claimed that she was a virgin, to which i responded to the effect of "there was no blood, so it is a good thing that we did not have sex". she did not mention that she was a virgin again until the police station. but remember, what really got me out of this mess was that she at first told the cops she was a virgin and that i took her virginity, but after i agreed to go to hospital to have her examined instead of paying her 100, 000, she then recanted and said that she was not a virgin. also, when i returned with the 22, 000 she appeared very distressed. or to put it another way, she looked far more worried than i ever was during this experiance. my guess is that once i was gone, the cops let her know that there was going to be some consequences for her admittadly false report (maybe that they would take the money from her).

4) of course, there was no hiding the fact that she was bar fined from a specific bar.

5) i got out of the police station about 6:00 am, so no hope of getting this resolved before i left. i have other responsibilites here in subic, so i can't just can't drive back to angeles to resolve my dispute with the bar. but there will be some resolution and i may post it here. i say "may" because it may not be wise to post what might happen next. (i wrote and rewrote the next sentance several times, but i just can't think of a safe way to write it, so i won't)

5) correct, we are not safe anywhere. but it is important to get back on your horse once something bad has happened. if you guys had any idea of the shit i have gone through both here and back in the us, you would understand that this was nothing more that a bad night out in angeles. and while it was certainly the worse night for me ever in angeles, it is nowhere remotely close to my worse night (i've had far worse in manila, subic, and los angeles). i'll be back barfining in ac as soon i can get there, with a little more experiance now than last week.

also, i think there a couple of things that i have learned from this experiance and should post.

1) when you have had as many bargirls as i have, you can tell when something is wrong. like an idiot, i decided to find out what was wrong myself. there were several times during the night when i got bad vibes but did nothing. i had never had this specific type of girl before, so i did not know what to do. i would say that as a general rule, if you get bad vibes from a girl, end it. you are out 1, 500 pesos and you can just go to another bar and get a new girl.

2) a car can be a liability. if not for my car, there were two occasions where i could have gotten out of this without paying anything. that is the problem, although i am not quite sure of the solution.

3) i was happy to pay the 22, 000 because considering the worst possible outcome, 22, 000 is peanuts. however, when it became clear that the worst possible outcome (the filing of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) charges against me) was not going to happen, i should have re-analyzed the whole situation and negotiated a better deal.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Billy Sardell
12-01-09, 18:17
Been waiting for the name of the bar with baited breath. I think it would help the rest of us to know to steer clear of the place for a while at least. Do you think the mamasan was in on this or was it just the act of the girl alone?

Hesekiels
12-01-09, 19:18
... 22,000 is peanuts...

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.


Peanuts? Wow, but at least not for me! However, if the bargirls come to know that such an amount 'is nothing but peanuts', then some others might feel encouraged to copy this trick! Or do I overestimate this possibility, gentlemen?

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Poopbunny
12-01-09, 21:19
I think those numbers by Ekspat are the number of visits to AC which is getting less over the years.

I can only remember 2 runners ever and that was my first AC visit. Sometimes the chemistry is not right, I chalk it up to experience and move on. I've been pretty lucky on my subsequent visits.

Trouble is runners, scams, high prices, etc... will do AC no favours as a "tourist" destination. Visitors would just visit less, not come back, tell others about it, etc... which will in turn have a negative spiralling effect.

I felt that my last visit during the supposedly high season, there were less punters around. IMHO this is due to the general downturn in world economy. After all, money spent on mongering activities are discretionary expenditure.



Ekspat, what do these numbers represent? I thought the topic was runners, but no one could have such bad luck.

X

Robbaf
12-01-09, 22:19
1) 100% true

also, i think there a couple of things that i have learned from this experiance and should post.

1) when you have had as many bargirls as i have, you can tell when something is wrong. like an idiot, i decided to find out what was wrong myself. there were several times during the night when i got bad vibes but did nothing. i had never had this specific type of girl before, so i did not know what to do. i would say that as a general rule, if you get bad vibes from a girl, end it. you are out 1, 500 pesos and you can just go to another bar and get a new girl.

2) a car can be a liability. if not for my car, there were two occasions where i could have gotten out of this without paying anything. that is the problem, although i am not quite sure of the solution.

3) i was happy to pay the 22, 000 because considering the worst possible outcome, 22, 000 is peanuts. however, when it became clear that the worst possible outcome (the filing of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) charges against me) was not going to happen, i should have re-analyzed the whole situation and negotiated a better deal.

thanks law, a lot more info in the update. good luck with the bar.

robb

Matius
12-02-09, 02:49
which bars on perimeter road are charging more than p1200?
the only one that i know of is mirrors (inside the clarkton hotel) and that is for their spotlight type of girls. the vast majority of perimeter bars bar fines are priced at p1200, some are lower, but i have only been living here for years and things do change in seconds here..

i agree, the vast majority of perimeter road bars charge approx 1200, but have you been to asian end of perimeter, this is an international forum.


which bars on fields, other than dhg are charging p3000?
golden nile comes close with their p2000 bar fines for certain girls.
the la pasha group (lpg) charges p1500, the champagne group charges p1500, the super majority of independent bars do not charge more than p1,300/1350. i just covered about 95+% of the bars in ac..

try to bf a spotlight dancer at love and music or blue nile.


do a sneak out and get banned from a bar. wow, that would really put an unbearable burden on a tourist if he were to be banned from entering a bar (or even a group of bars) for doing a sneak out. with over 90 bars in ac, what will they do when they get banned at a bar?.

as a long term resident, why would you recommend to a new tourist how to cheat the bar? you have some grudge against the bars in angeles. but you are right, for a week holiday, there are probably enough bars to keep him busy, even if banned from a bar. as a long term resident, what happens to you if you get the reputation as a sneak out customer? hope you enjoy nifty's.


if you have a problem with a girl, then virtually all bars will not help you. this is part of the new ac that has been transforming for a couple of years now and continues to get worse. so guys should be of the mindset that sneak out or not, the chances that a bar will help you with any problems you encounter is remote to none. bars are taking a hands off approach to customer service regarding problems after the girl and customer leave the bar..

they probably don't help you, as you seem to suggest sneaking the girl out is the way to go. but in general, for most tourists going into an established bar, if the customer has a legitimate concern, the bar owner will attempt to address the problem. i remember on one forum a customer had a problem in gecko's, the owner read the forum and took immediate response and action to reach the customer and address his problem. i believe the employee was fired, but am not totally certain.


sneak outs as they are commonly termed, are very different than picking girls off the street. that is like attempting to compare an apple and an elephant. here are a few of the many differentials, one has a city license, one has highly likely been to the weekly required hygiene, one is likely doing "sneak outs" because the bar she works for is low in customers or the bar is high priced, pulling scams and/or rip-offs, decreasing the number of customers in the bar, but while the girl is ok dancing for salary, she may have had a request from her family to send extra money. since she cannot find a customer to pay her inflated bar fine cost, but she knows or has several offers to do a "sneak out" on her own time, she accepts one (or more) of the offers, so that she can earn the money that she needs. this is common for girls in ac to do, and they do it often. you mentioned cheating (lets term it loyalty), the girls are loyal to their family's first and foremost, the bar come very low on their priority list. .

i agree sneak out is common. i agree family comes first or they come first, which ever. i also agree for a variety of reasons picking a girl up off the street is more dangerous than a true sneak out. my point was that if you find a girl who is willing to cheat the bar, then there is an equal chance she will be willing to cheat you as well, given an opportunity. many guys run around with girls phone numbers for months, its not always meet girl one day and sneak out the next. in the time since meeting the girl, has she failed her hygene, is she now on drugs and been banned from the bar, has the bar discovered she is in fact **** and fired her out, has she been involved in scaming customers and the bar has fired her out? on the one hand you suggest the bar provides the safety net for the customer, but then recommend to potential customers to engage in cheating and bypassing the bar. it is a warped set of ethics in my opinion. if you feel the prices are too high in a bar, go to another bar. as you stated there are many bars in angeles.


now for the picking up a girl off the street, this is the dangerous part and was not suggested or recommended in my op/posting. this is where most of the authority sponsored or authority involved set-ups happen. they are not with girls that work in the bars and on the side do "sneak outs". they are vastly girls that do not work in bars at all.

really, and just how do you know that the girl works in the bar if you don't go through the bar. i know a 16 year old girl (looks 21), who hangs outside of various bars on fields, pretends to be a doorgirl, and offers herself for sneakout. she is very pretty. her mother and her are in continual search of that guy who thinks sneak out is the way to go, then come the **** police. how about the girls in sky tracs, are they all 18, cause i know a number of girls there that are not, but pretend to be from bars. how about the girls that hang out around kokomo, pretend to be employed by the bars there. even if you know better, how is a tourist to know.

so many posts in this forum to avoid risky behaviour, for the tourist to have a safe and enjoyable time, but then to suggest the tourist behave in a manner that encourages the chance for a scam or to be cheated.

Acfreddie
12-02-09, 03:56
i agree, the vast majority of perimeter road bars charge approx 1200, but have you been to asian end of perimeter, this is an international forum.



try to bf a spotlight dancer at love and music or blue nile.

love and music is one of the few that is not covered by my previous 95+% posting as their tiered barfine pricing system is p1800 and p3000

blue nile is p1500




as a long term resident, why would you recommend to a new tourist how to cheat the bar? you have some grudge against the bars in angeles. but you are right, for a week holiday, there are probably enough bars to keep him busy, even if banned from a bar. as a long term resident, what happens to you if you get the reputation as a sneak out customer? hope you enjoy nifty's.

i do not advocate that for all bars, just bars that for me (and numerous others) feel that are scamming and/or ripping off their customers or those bars who attempt to charge industrialized prices in a 3rd world county. i call it leveling of the playing field.
most bars will not find out when a guy "sneaks out" a girl from their bar. this applies multi-fold to the larger/mega bars. there is no incentive for the girl to tell her employer that she did such. i know of guys who have been banned from bars for doing sneak outs before. there are just so many bars currently and there are always new bars opening so its not limiting by any means.
i have and will continue to support the bars with reasonable 3rd world prices for barfines, drinks and their offerings, some of those that i support can be found on fields as well as many of perimeter road.





they probably don't help you, as you seem to suggest sneaking the girl out is the way to go. but in general, for most tourists going into an established bar, if the customer has a legitimate concern, the bar owner will attempt to address the problem. i remember on one forum a customer had a problem in gecko's, the owner read the forum and took immediate response and action to reach the customer and address his problem. i believe the employee was fired, but am not totally certain.

most bars now in ac are being forced by political correctness and the fear of being charged with a crime(s) that if they attempt to interfere with things, they will be become involved with a mess they want no part of. that is why in the new ac for the majority of the bars it is what happens after you leave is for the customer to deal with. now that said, there are still reputable bars, that if the girl pulls a runner/leaves early, will refund at least part of the money, but the number of bars doing this is on a downward trend and the each bars policy greatly varies. of course you increase your chances of obtaining a refund if you are known to the bar as a repeat customer.




i agree sneak out is common. i agree family comes first or they come first, which ever. i also agree for a variety of reasons picking a girl up off the street is more dangerous than a true sneak out. my point was that if you find a girl who is willing to cheat the bar, then there is an equal chance she will be willing to cheat you as well, given an opportunity. many guys run around with girls phone numbers for months, its not always meet girl one day and sneak out the next. in the time since meeting the girl, has she failed her hygene, is she now on drugs and been banned from the bar, has the bar discovered she is in fact **** and fired her out, has she been involved in scaming customers and the bar has fired her out? on the one hand you suggest the bar provides the safety net for the customer, but then recommend to potential customers to engage in cheating and bypassing the bar. it is a warped set of ethics in my opinion. if you feel the prices are too high in a bar, go to another bar. as you stated there are many bars in angeles.

the vast majority of reputable bars will, if they have found out out a girl was **** but still held a valid license, not return the license to the girl when she departs and will block her being able to be issued a new license from the city. this is not always the case, but not having this done in my experiences is the exception not the rule. so if the girl can produce her city id's then that is about the most secure you are going to be able to do as far as protection against scams short of asking her to bring an nso certified birth certificate with her when she meets you.
if someone had the girls number from months ago and wanted to get with her again, i would suggest they get in contact with her and while they are out one day on a bar hop, find out where she is working, do buy her a (regular) ladies drink, this way the guy can add an additional layer of security/protection against scams or worries about the girl having a disease or the like. if the guy has 6 numbers, he can do a bar hop and visit the 6 bars of the girls he has the numbers for and visit them at their work.




really, and just how do you know that the girl works in the bar if you don't go through the bar. i know a 16 year old girl (looks 21), who hangs outside of various bars on fields, pretends to be a doorgirl, and offers herself for sneakout. she is very pretty. her mother and her are in continual search of that guy who thinks sneak out is the way to go, then come the **** police. how about the girls in sky tracs, are they all 18, cause i know a number of girls there that are not, but pretend to be from bars. how about the girls that hang out around kokomo, pretend to be employed by the bars there. even if you know better, how is a tourist to know.

so many posts in this forum to avoid risky behaviour, for the tourist to have a safe and enjoyable time, but then to suggest the tourist behave in a manner that encourages the chance for a scam or to be cheated.

how do you know or find out, by doing what i mentioned above and going to her bar while she is working, buy her a regular drink and add that extra layer of protection.
how is a tourist to know. again if they choose to do a "sneak out" then adding the various already mentioned layers of security/protection.
there are no guarantees in the pi and in the pi as the foreigner, they do not need a legitimate reason to try and extort anyone for money. while a bar does provide a layer of protection for the tourist as well as anyone, it can be done in various other ways that are just as protective.
in the end its up to each individual to decide for themselves in which manner they would like to proceed and spend their money. like i said above, i do not sneak out girls every day of the week, nor do i sneak girls out of bars that are realistically priced for the 3rd world that they are located in, but if i get scammed, taken advantage of or a bar tries to do any of one or combination of those things or more, then i am going to level they playing field.
i am far from cheap or broke. when i am out bar hopping or on a bar hop with guys from the various boards that i belong to, i drink imported alcohols and do not sip on a local beer for an hour or more in each bar (not that there is anything wrong with that) its just not my style or how i am. i like imported spirits and when i am out (which is often) i go to bars that have a historical reputation of being pro-customer and will not attempt to or pull scams or rip-offs. i do not get anything that both other in my bar hop group or others get in general from the bars that i go to. i go to those bars that are pro-customer because i have a higher level of confidence that if there was a problem the management or owner(s) are willing to listen and correct the problem.

what i do strongly recommend and suggest to all tourists is to do their own research, talk with others in the know and then plan their trip/time at bars that have a good reputation and are pro-customer. that way if a problem is encountered that they will have a better chance at the bar assisting with the problem and not giving the customer the brush off.

FreebieFan
12-02-09, 06:52
1)

5) correct, we are not safe anywhere. but it is important to get back on your horse once something bad has happened.

1) when you have had as many bargirls as i have, you can tell when something is wrong. like an idiot, i decided to find out what was wrong myself. there were several times during the night when i got bad vibes but did nothing. i would say that as a general rule, if you get bad vibes from a girl, end it. you are out 1, 500 pesos and you can just go to another bar and get a new girl.


3) i was happy to pay the 22, 000 because considering the worst possible outcome, 22, 000 is peanuts. however, when it became clear that the worst possible outcome (the filing of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) charges against me)
editor's note: click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.simillar but related story from 2004.

was in makati and waiting for a my gal in glorietta. a lcute ady was hovering around and giving me the "eye". went over to her, got her number for later. arranged to meet her later that night, and after a drink we ended up in my car for one kiss, that escalated till my pants down, hers down etc. when suddently theres 10 police surrounding my car, shining flashlights in car, shouting that i've broken many laws, and i will taken straight to jail etcetc.

long story short i was subject to extortion by makatis wonderful police. who first asked for p50, 000. that got later negotiated down to p20, 000. in short "peanuts" compared to the shame fest of a possible court case. i hear you law. trying to think straight and come up with a battle plan with police telling you this and that is very difficult.

as for getting back on the horse. girl told me she was real nervous about the police having her phone number and they were always calling her asking for dates etc. etc. anyways met her next day and gave her a good session. there was lots of hidden tension there.

i never knew if i was set up by the girl or not, as she really didn't know where we were going to drive to, but she was very eager to get my pants down.

the police. useless, corrupt, rotten to the core. but then so are all politicians there. they act as role models for the cops and mmda cockroaches.

Amjeck
12-02-09, 17:14
Hello Gentlemen

I was really looking forward to being in AC again. But I have to say, I am very disappointed this time. On my first day, I was unsuccessful in trying to barfine the first 6 girls. All gave excuses as to why they could not go. They most common excuse was "on my menstruation".

------This is not the AC I remember. ------------

I was just in AC and it is not the same place as I remember too.

I barfined 4 girls in total and 3 were runners.
-One girl left earlier than what we agreed on in the bar. No tip for her.

A few girls wouldn't go with me (not mens; no excuse was given)

I found that lot's of the girls were less enthusiastic than my previous trip, also.

Not the end of the world, but just a different feel than before.

Carmex
12-02-09, 18:41
I was just in AC and it is not the same place as I remember too.

I barfined 4 girls in total and 3 were runners.
-One girl left earlier than what we agreed on in the bar. No tip for her.

A few girls wouldn't go with me (not mens; no excuse was given)

I found that lot's of the girls were less enthusiastic than my previous trip, also.

Not the end of the world, but just a different feel than before.

Yea, that was how I saw it last time I was there also (Mar 09). Really I thought it was just me and maybe I had AC burnout.

It was kinda a real bummer because like a Heroin addict, my first trip to AC was better than all the Disneyland vacations I had ever had as a kid. Orgies with 15 or so people and the Mamasan running the video camera, totally naked pool parties at 2am, dick out BBBJ's from door girls in the middle of the bar with a crowd cheering; this is what I thought AC was like all the time and I assumed I had discovered "Heaven".

I also met a real cutie with enough GFE to last about a year.

But alas, it was not to continue, and the last time in AC it was as described above.

El Vagabundo
12-02-09, 23:04
After a hard year of screwing off, eating, fucking, drinking and all around debauchery, I am due for my yearly vacation. I decided this year 6 weeks of motorcycling around the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam. Good mongering requires one to be in tip top condition and I am certainly not. I would like to spend 2 weeks of my vacation in a health spa. I figure that is just what I need to kick the year off right. Does anyone have any information on spas/programs in either Thailand or the Philippines, like a "Fat Farm" I can attend? Any help is as always appreciated.

Martin from Cartagena

Strikesfun
12-02-09, 23:08
Just came back sunday. Been going here for a number of years. Everything is different the new malls, new clubs Car Wash, cost on the raise and the biggest change is the girls. It was great while it lasted and as the saying goes nothing last forever. Those headed for the first time may think it is great but for those that have been here the place is just not the same.

Dveight
12-03-09, 03:10
Just came back Sunday. Been going here for a number of years. Everything is different the new malls, new clubs Car Wash, cost on the raise and the biggest change is the girls. It was great while it lasted and as the saying goes nothing last forever. Those headed for the first time may think it is great but for those that have been here the place is just not the same.I have just returned home from my first Angeles City trip after years of going to Thailand, and a couple trips to Manilla and I feel a little better now after reading all the comments, because I thought maybe it was just me. I had heard that Angeles City was this magical place, better than any other. Well, IMHO, it is not. I was really disappointed with the whole place, the first 3 days started out OK, but after that I soon found myself tired of the whole place. Especially during the day, I had a similar problem as many others with girls being on menstruation, I also seemed to meet a lot of girls that only give blowjobs. I think they need a better system for identifying their girls, and the services they provide.

I'm going to try to get a better report up, as well as some pictures when I get some time, but I just wanted to put my 2 cents into this conversation because I had the same experience as a lot of others recently.

Spanish Main
12-03-09, 10:02
After a hard year of screwing off, eating, fucking, drinking and all around debauchery, I am due for my yearly vacation. I decided this year 6 weeks of motorcycling around the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam. Good mongering requires one to be in tip top condition and I am certainly not. I would like to spend 2 weeks of my vacation in a health spa. I figure that is just what I need to kick the year off right. Does anyone have any information on spas/programs in either Thailand or the Philippines, like a "Fat Farm" I can attend? Any help is as always appreciated.

Martin from Cartagena



I went here for three weeks. Very good. It is on Phuket Island
http://www.atsumihealing.com/index.php

I also spent a couple of months traveling around Thailand on a motorcycle. Be careful about the police who will try to fine you for just being a (perceived) rich foreigner on a motorbike. Do not go even one millimetre over the white line at traffic lights. Jack Daniels Black Label seemed to be the bribe of choice for them.

MarkFalcon33
12-03-09, 12:03
lets all be honest, pussy for 1500(33 usa dollars) or 2000 (44 usa dollars) and know you are not worried about age issue. why risk getting someone from street, with over 300 bars. i'm sure you can find one looking under 18 working in a bar if that is what you are truly into.

don't risk anyone on the street.

what is that sales comment. o yes, k. i. s. s.

keep

it

simple

stupid

now go find some pussy at 18 or over and enjoy your time.

p.s. if you can not afford to pay, then rent a movie until you can.


i agree, the vast majority of perimeter road bars charge approx 1200, but have you been to asian end of perimeter, this is an international forum.

try to bf a spotlight dancer at love and music or blue nile.

as a long term resident, why would you recommend to a new tourist how to cheat the bar? you have some grudge against the bars in angeles. but you are right, for a week holiday, there are probably enough bars to keep him busy, even if banned from a bar. as a long term resident, what happens to you if you get the reputation as a sneak out customer? hope you enjoy nifty's.

they probably don't help you, as you seem to suggest sneaking the girl out is the way to go. but in general, for most tourists going into an established bar, if the customer has a legitimate concern, the bar owner will attempt to address the problem. i remember on one forum a customer had a problem in gecko's, the owner read the forum and took immediate response and action to reach the customer and address his problem. i believe the employee was fired, but am not totally certain.

i agree sneak out is common. i agree family comes first or they come first, which ever. i also agree for a variety of reasons picking a girl up off the street is more dangerous than a true sneak out. my point was that if you find a girl who is willing to cheat the bar, then there is an equal chance she will be willing to cheat you as well, given an opportunity. many guys run around with girls phone numbers for months, its not always meet girl one day and sneak out the next. in the time since meeting the girl, has she failed her hygene, is she now on drugs and been banned from the bar, has the bar discovered she is in fact **** and fired her out, has she been involved in scaming customers and the bar has fired her out? on the one hand you suggest the bar provides the safety net for the customer, but then recommend to potential customers to engage in cheating and bypassing the bar. it is a warped set of ethics in my opinion. if you feel the prices are too high in a bar, go to another bar. as you stated there are many bars in angeles.

really, and just how do you know that the girl works in the bar if you don't go through the bar. i know a 16 year old girl (looks 21), who hangs outside of various bars on fields, pretends to be a doorgirl, and offers herself for sneakout. she is very pretty. her mother and her are in continual search of that guy who thinks sneak out is the way to go, then come the **** police. how about the girls in sky tracs, are they all 18, cause i know a number of girls there that are not, but pretend to be from bars. how about the girls that hang out around kokomo, pretend to be employed by the bars there. even if you know better, how is a tourist to know.

so many posts in this forum to avoid risky behaviour, for the tourist to have a safe and enjoyable time, but then to suggest the tourist behave in a manner that encourages the chance for a scam or to be cheated.

Aminamark
12-04-09, 09:52
Hi,

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Rubberyman
12-04-09, 11:48
Yea, that was how I saw it last time I was there also (Mar 09). Really I thought it was just me and maybe I had AC burnout.

It was kinda a real bummer because like a Heroin addict, my first trip to AC was better than all the Disneyland vacations I had ever had as a kid. Orgies with 15 or so people and the Mamasan running the video camera, totally naked pool parties at 2am, dick out BBBJ's from door girls in the middle of the bar with a crowd cheering; this is what I thought AC was like all the time and I assumed I had discovered "Heaven".

I also met a real cutie with enough GFE to last about a year.

But alas, it was not to continue, and the last time in AC it was as described above.

I just came back from two weeks in AC and I would have stayed more, but my time was up.

I had the first week as a butterfly with girls from Santos, Fields bars and one session in Niftys. The second week was a 'honeymoon' with one girl from Fields.

I did not really notice too much different (a few more beggars and street vendors - not surprising given the global financial crisis) apart from the extra bars at the Mac end of Fields.

Having said that, I have spoken to a number of people who experience the 'let down' from their first trips to AC (and Pattaya for that matter - my first trip to Thl was in 1974). The most common observation is that on the first trip, they are so blown by the fact that for the cost of an hour at home with a very average provider, they can normally spend a couple of hours in a bar in AC, buy ladies drinks for three or four girls plus mamasan, plus leave with a girl for the night. However, on subsequent trips most guys get a little cheaper with their money - go straight to the dancers, ask if the girl is a 3 holer, one drink if she is, then off to the room. When I put it to some of these guys that perhaps the main difference to their experience is that when they first came, they spent up big, and later trips they were cheap charlies, and the girls' reactions were really to that.

I suggest now that in AC you can still have the same blast of a time as you did in your cherry trip IF you spend the same amount (allowing for inflation) as you did in your cherry trip. Of course if you spend less, you should not expect the same standard of service surely?

Robbaf
12-04-09, 13:20
I suggest now that in AC you can still have the same blast of a time as you did in your cherry trip IF you spend the same amount (allowing for inflation) as you did in your cherry trip. Of course if you spend less, you should not expect the same standard of service surely?Very well put:) I have made 9 trips to AC this year for a total of 60 days and I still have a great time.

Robb

Carmex
12-05-09, 02:02
I just came back from two weeks in AC and I would have stayed more, but my time was up.

I suggest now that in AC you can still have the same blast of a time as you did in your cherry trip IF you spend the same amount (allowing for inflation) as you did in your cherry trip. Of course if you spend less, you should not expect the same standard of service surely?

Nope. Has/had nothing to do with money as when I go on vacation I go to have a good time and am not hindered by monetary value. Thus I save and plan accordingly for said good time. For example my first trip I stayed at the Seinpost Hotel and last two trips Savannah and ABC respectively.

For me it was the VIBE that was different and nothing else. This was not only noticed by me but also the two other punters I brought with me. Both were with me on the cherry trip, and both came to the same conclusion.

Truth be known, they were the ones who had to deal with: "Oh, I'm on Mens" after they bought the girl a LD, getting turned down by 5 or 6 girls in a row, runners who agreed to stay LT, and one guy got his camera lifted from his hotel room when he said goodbye to his BF. I was able to avoid those pitfalls as I read ISG :) and was conscience of my surroundings/situations.

The only time I was scammed was when I checked my chit after round three of LD's with two girls at Geckos and the price of said LD was doubled. My questions of 'why double' was answered with "oh, happy hour over now, price change". Well, I know the prices (from ISG) and knew this was a scam. Still I paid the balance and admonished the girls in Tagalog as they knew they were caught and both apologized. They then received the "walang-hiya" from me. Assuredly not cool after two rounds for each.

And, going back to your money theory, I just remembered that one guy was getting married when he returned to the states in a few weeks and brought (OMG!) 30,000 php for his 'big baller' weekend. So, your theory is not correct in this case. Everyone was there for the last big blowout before my buddy had to give up his nuts to his fiance.

I actually kept my mouth shut about my misgivings about AC, just so I would not ruin the big weekend for these guys. However, at the trips conclusion in the taxi ride to the airport both concluded that 'AC just aint the same'. Their words not mine.

My thoughts now would probably have to deal with expectations vs. just letting it happen and having a good time. (Serendipitous) That may be the difference between then and now, but I doubt it.

White Whale
12-05-09, 05:18
For me it was the VIBE that was different and nothing else. This was not only noticed by me but also the two other punters I brought with me. Both were with me on the cherry trip, and both came to the same conclusion.


I actually kept my mouth shut about my misgivings about AC, just so I would not ruin the big weekend for these guys. However, at the trips conclusion in the taxi ride to the airport both concluded that 'AC just aint the same'. Their words not mine.

I am confused... So their cherry trip means something else than their first visit? How otherwice they conlude it is not same as before???

TripleX
12-05-09, 18:08
I am confused. So their cherry trip means something else than their first visit? How otherwice they conlude it is not same as before?He didn't say "their cherry" trip he said "the cherry" trip referring to his first time in AC he spoke about earlier. The group of guys were with him on his cherry trip and this most recent visit as well.

ThatGuy865
12-05-09, 23:17
I just got back from AC and I'd have to agree that it has changed and seems to be going in the wrong direction. I believe one reason for this is the women overall seem less interested in GFE's and more in getting as much money as possible.

A lot of the bars pay what they call cultural dancers/spotlight dancers 340 pesos a day. Which means the girls are not making a great wage just dancing, add a couple of LDs and they are making great money for the PI. When you figure 150pesos is the average wage in the PI, These babes have no incentive to leave with a guy and will claim "mens" this way the guy will not feel like he's been rejected totally and won't complain about paying for the LDs. He just choice the wrong day.

You have to quiz the girls a bit more now, If you want the GFE's, Id say stick to the smaller bars.

Rob Woodrow
12-06-09, 08:05
I suggest now that in AC you can still have the same blast of a time as you did in your cherry trip IF you spend the same amount (allowing for inflation) as you did in your cherry trip. Of course if you spend less, you should not expect the same standard of service surely?
I don't know, I spend about 1/3 as much (combined hotel, barhop, and food) as I did 2 years ago, and still have as much fun. My cherry trip was only 2 years ago so we may be comparing different eras.

You have to quiz the girls a bit more now, If you want the GFE's, Id say stick to the smaller bars.
This, to me, is the key. I almost never try to pull from the show bars. And at the small bars, I'll sit directly at the stage and flirt a little before I even buy a girl a drink. I really don't like the "have mamasan/waitress point with a laser" routine. Some guys do. More power to 'em.

Rubberyman
12-06-09, 11:53
I don't know, I spend about 1/3 as much (combined hotel, barhop, and food) as I did 2 years ago, and still have as much fun. My cherry trip was only 2 years ago so we may be comparing different eras.

This, to me, is the key. I almost never try to pull from the show bars. And at the small bars, I'll sit directly at the stage and flirt a little before I even buy a girl a drink. I really don't like the "have mamasan/waitress point with a laser" routine. Some guys do. More power to 'em.

So maybe it is just natural variation between bars, girls, punters? So many variables.


Nope. Has/had nothing to do with money as when I go on vacation I go to have a good time and am not hindered by monetary value. Thus I save and plan accordingly for said good time. For example my first trip I stayed at the Seinpost Hotel and last two trips Savannah and ABC respectively.

For me it was the VIBE that was different and nothing else. This was not only noticed by me but also the two other punters I brought with me. Both were with me on the cherry trip, and both came to the same conclusion.

Truth be known, they were the ones who had to deal with: "Oh, I'm on Mens" after they bought the girl a LD, getting turned down by 5 or 6 girls in a row, runners who agreed to stay LT, and one guy got his camera lifted from his hotel room when he said goodbye to his BF. I was able to avoid those pitfalls as I read ISG :) and was conscience of my surroundings/situations.

The only time I was scammed was when I checked my chit after round three of LD's with two girls at Geckos and the price of said LD was doubled. My questions of 'why double' was answered with "oh, happy hour over now, price change". Well, I know the prices (from ISG) and knew this was a scam. Still I paid the balance and admonished the girls in Tagalog as they knew they were caught and both apologized. They then received the "walang-hiya" from me. Assuredly not cool after two rounds for each.

And, going back to your money theory, I just remembered that one guy was getting married when he returned to the states in a few weeks and brought (OMG!) 30,000 php for his 'big baller' weekend. So, your theory is not correct in this case. Everyone was there for the last big blowout before my buddy had to give up his nuts to his fiance.

I actually kept my mouth shut about my misgivings about AC, just so I would not ruin the big weekend for these guys. However, at the trips conclusion in the taxi ride to the airport both concluded that 'AC just aint the same'. Their words not mine.

My thoughts now would probably have to deal with expectations vs. just letting it happen and having a good time. (Serendipitous) That may be the difference between then and now, but I doubt it.


Hi,

Just curious as to the bars you went to (apart from Geckos).

I tended to stick to the smaller bars on Fields this trip, and did not try any of the larger ones for barfining.

I guess, I may be a little prejudiced since I had no runners, and almost 100% success rate in that I always got the gel I wanted. (One 'mens' only over two weeks).

Also, I did not bf anyone from Geckos, but the other board member who accompanied me did and did not report any misdemeanors.

I spent some time in Eager Beavers, which is, I think a sister club to Honeypot. I gave the usual 'gustomo bang uminum ng ladies drink' to one of the girls, and the waitress warned me that the girl had ordered one of the more expensive drinks up front. I say this just to point out that bar management is variable as I am sure you know.

Not sure whether there is a general change in standard in AC and I was just lucky (and I did not hear my board partner complain either), or whether perhaps there is no change, and you guys just had bad luck. So perhaps a more detailed discussion of the bars that caused you trouble might be worthwhile.

I still hold to the theory though that there is a rough relationship with how much people spend and the return they get - as long as they don't go stupid - that is asking to be cheated of course.

30000P?!? :) Wow! I did not spend that on the whole time with the second week Asawa ko.

Carmex
12-06-09, 13:51
Just curious as to the bars you went to (apart from Geckos).

I tended to stick to the smaller bars on Fields this trip, and did not try any of the larger ones for barfining.

Not sure whether there is a general change in standard in AC and I was just lucky (and I did not hear my board partner complain either), or whether perhaps there is no change, and you guys just had bad luck. So perhaps a more detailed discussion of the bars that caused you trouble might be worthwhile.

30000P?!? :) Wow! I did not spend that on the whole time with the second week Asawa ko.

Well, to be perfectly honest, the first night we were there, the hotel didn't have room for me (but did for the other two) and I pretty much said Fuck it and went to the ABC.

My first BF was from Insomnia and was nothing short of a disaster. The group ended up in Sky Trax and I pretty much wanted to dump her right there, but figured I would get the first nut as it was late. Back in the hotel with my BF (don't do that, don't do this, pay more, etc...) my nerves were shot. AND she didn't even shave her box! WTF???? Thought that was a given with these chicks.

In the morning she argued about the tip (300 peso) and told me she needed more. I almost had to go bad Carmex on her and I threatened to call hotel security to come and physically remove her. But she left after some complaining and a little crying.

Pretty much after that I met up with the boys for lunch at Geckos, and both had similar stories with the baller losing his camera first night. You already know the lunch story.

From then on, I just called in some old faithfuls (about 6 different girls) to come to the hotel and service me and met the boys out for meals and drinking with my out calls. No more risky BF's for me. Just sex with girls that know me and know how to please, and specifically, no BS involved.

The afternoon lunch meetings with the boys would usually involve them telling me of their BF's from the night before and some good, but mostly bad.

I think we concluded as well that the perimeter bars were better then the Fields ones for BF and GFE/zany activities. And don't even get me started on that 'Spotlight' dancer 4000 peso bullshit. Like that pussy is any better? Come on.

As an aside, the baller did not come close to spending the 30 G's, and for some reason, did not get married when he returned home to USA. Go figure.

Maybe we just had bad luck. Repeatedly. Over and over, every night. But I kinda doubt it.

Last month I had two newbies who wanted to go to Phils with me. One guy is Filipino but raised in the States and a pretty good looking fellow. The other guy is pretty well off and told me he would "cover" me for the entire trip in exchange for the mentor-ship. I considered AC, but eventually settled on Cebu. That alone should tell you how I feel about the quality/reputation of AC.

Right now as I write this, I am not sure if I will ever go back to AC. There is just too much better pussy, better places, and better experiences elsewhere in Phils.

Betong
12-06-09, 14:45
I just got back from AC and I'd have to agree that it has changed and seems to be going in the wrong direction. I believe one reason for this is the women overall seem less interested in GFE's and more in getting as much money as possible.I've watched exactly this process in Thailand over the past few decades and yeah, the signs are looking all too familiar.

That said, if you're willing to spend more time with the girls, choosing them more carefully and developing a little more rapport before you take them out, AC can still be terrific. Knock on wood, but I'm still having about 90% good experiences, and maybe 10% fantastic ones. I don't know of any place where the ratio is better, and of course it's still impossible to beat AC prices. So no serious complaints from me . . . not yet anyhow.

Matius
12-07-09, 02:30
hi,

this site offers some useful infomation on freelancers in ac just thought some of you would find it interesting and may prevent scams in the future.

centralluzoncorruption.com

this site has been around for a few years. word on the street is that is is run by some lady boy's who themselves have criminal cases on-going. often referred to as the journalist lady, who is in "fear" for her life, is rumoured to be the driving force behind the site, suppose to have criminal problems with the local law, uses the site as some sort of propaganda tool to attack local officials who are prosecuting her. every sentence of truth is inflated into a major conspiracy and the site specializes in fear mongering and character assasination. to the locals, the small percentage of truth that comes from this site is well known, and no surprise. here is the surprise the site exposes: there is corruption in the philippines and that people pay bribes to goverenment and local officials. who would have guessed that?? of course this sort of thing would never happen in the rest of asia; china, indonnesia, thailand, malaysia, cambodia, laos, etc. one only need look at the use of language, the emotional nature of the reporting, use of derogatory pictures and language to see it is run by people with an agenda other than just exposing corruption.

read harry the horse, margarita station, those publications do expose situations of injustice and abuse, in a much more professional way and without all the hubris and agenda surrounding the facts. corruption aside, there are two things the police in station 4 (the local precinct responsible for the red light district) take no acceptance of, running with **** girls or drugs. caught doing either of these things and it will cost money and/or criminal charges. there are criminal gangs that seek to take advantage of tourists and foreigners, pick pocket, armed robbery and even murder. the local police do try to capture these people as it hurts tourism.

the safety tips for angeles are the same as almost anywhere in the world. don't walk alone on deserted streets, don't go with people you don't know that you've met on the street, don't deal with the beggers or street vendors, don't behave careless (walking around drunk with money hanging out of your pocket), don't engage in clearly illegal activities, don't get in fights with the locals, lock up your valuables, be respectful of all (even when they are wrong), keep a low profile. most of the significant hotels in angeles know the scene here, if you have a problem speak with the owner, they can guide you on how best to handle the situation. the abc hotel and lewis grand are probably the most respected and capable of helping their guests that i know of, but that is my opinion and others may be equally adept.

A Johns
12-07-09, 12:13
found the following at a presumably philippines government list of massage business registrations :

https://www.bnrs.dti.gov.ph/bnrs2-search/pdfout/0c6ce7bebb1805a0222c1d7bd25d/bnrs-searchresults.pdf

there appear to be over 1000, incomplete from all over philippines. have cut out the ac ones below for my own interest. some well known ac ones like u&i are absent. i don't know whether they all offer a full range of services.

10 two 10 massage and saloon
302 fields ave., angeles city, pampanga

24 hrs. massage palace bar & pizza
zeppelin st., malabanias road, angeles city, pampanga

4k's beauty salon and massage
104 fields ave., bayanihan park,, angeles city, pampanga

aleah massage services 303-d vian st.,, balibago, angeles city, pampanga

arnel t. cortez body and sole body massage and foot spa
321 mac arthur highway, balibago, angeles city, pampanga

asian dream massage parlor
don juico ave., villasol perimeter road, balibago,
angeles city, pampanga

b-k monaliza massage parlor
#2038 rosas st. margot, angeles city, pampanga

bang massage center 993-a fields ave., balibago,, angeles city, pampanga

budafe beauty salon and body massages
stall #6, mixmart, angeles city, pampanga

c won massage service don juico ave., clarkview,, angeles city, pampanga

c.c. heart ceragem therapeutic massage
9th st., lacandula,, dau, mabalacat, pampanga

charlie body care massage
808 malabanias rd., malabanias, angeles city, pampanga

classique touch-jacuzzi & body massage
raymond st., balibago, angeles city, pampanga

diamond massage villasol subd, angeles city, pampanga

dmj indulgence spa (family massage clinic)
10-13 marlim st., diamond subd., balibago, angeles city.

eddie's nuga best massage theraphy
4009 pampang road,, lourdes north west, angeles city,pampanga

ella body massage stall 77 cdc stall bayanihan park, fields ave.,, angeles
city, pampanga

foot fetish thai foot salon, body massage and spa *t
930 magalang road, pandan, angeles city, pampanga

gerry's massage services unit t & u corner don juico ave.,, anunas, angeles city,pampanga

good heew salon & spa massage
367 sto. rosario st., sto. rosario, angeles city.

good heew salon & spa massage
299-c rg gomez bldg., mcarthur highway,, n/a, angeles city, pampanga

good heew salon & spa massage - branch i
370-d-1 henson st., san nicolas,, angeles city.

harrogate spa & home massage services
lot 1 blk 26 zeppelin cor. hensonville,, angeles city.

healthy trends body massager
360 tabun road, pandan, angeles city, pampanga

home massage studio and spa by jevren sibug
2307 lakandula st., angeles city, pampanga

jasmine home massage service
184 c. a. santos extn., balibago, angeles city, pampanga

jeil massage service 4-16 lualhati st., bagong bayan,, n/a, angeles city,pampanga

joel s. fajardo massage and therapist services
stall # 3 dau plaza arcade, dau, mabalacat, pampanga

massage & reflexology shop 9-11 don juico ave. clarkview balibago, angeles city, pampanga

massage palace shop 9-11, don juico ave., clarkview, angeles city,pampanga

vibes massage services, level 3, space no. l03-050, robinsons place , angeles city, pampanga

Rubberyman
12-08-09, 02:11
Found the following at a presumably Philippines government list of massage business registrations :

There appear to be over 1000, incomplete from all over Philippines. Have cut out the AC ones below for my own interest. Some well known AC ones like U&I are absent. I don't know whether they all offer a full range of services.



Massage may mean only massage. During my last trip a couple of weeks ago, I went to the massage place near Normas money changer, on the same side and a little closer to Fields. No extras whatever were on the menu. Confirmed by conversation with the owner. However, the massage was better than expected. (I have been spoilt by massages in Pattaya, so was not expecting much).

Acfreddie
12-08-09, 05:12
Massage may mean only massage. During my last trip a couple of weeks ago, I went to the massage place near Normas money changer, on the same side and a little closer to Fields. No extras whatever were on the menu. Confirmed by conversation with the owner. However, the massage was better than expected. (I have been spoilt by massages in Pattaya, so was not expecting much).

Sounds like the Body Bliss Spa. They are known around town for having the most qualified staff for massages and also for being strictly massage only.

Rocksoff
12-08-09, 06:22
i believe one reason for this is the women overall seem less interested in gfe's and more in getting as much money as possible.

that is not the reason. that is the consequence. consequence of what? the consequence of our behaviour. also as exploited by business owners who see the trends and ride them to make more money, rather than to create a good mongering experience.


i've watched exactly this process in thailand over the past few decades

i've only been here for a very short while, so i don't know what it was like a few decades ago. i wish i did. i can say that it's possible to find true smiles and lovely experiences if you can see what's in front of you, even in pattaya beer bars. sometimes that's someone who just arrived from upcountry for the first time. but there are good-hearted veterans also. as long as you treat them the way you want to be treated.

people [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on the walls and complain that everything stinks of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109).

(only my opinionated two cents, worth what you paid for it, etc.)

Rob Woodrow
12-09-09, 02:48
Maybe we just had bad luck. Repeatedly. Over and over, every night. But I kinda doubt it.
Well...yeah, maybe you did have bad luck. I took a trip in April-ish and was ready to write the town off completely. About a 50% runner rate. Then the next trip I took, I had 4-5 barfines in a row that were among the ones I've ever had. One was a four-rounder, and another made me go buy Cialis to make sure I could keep her satisfied. Both gave great BJ's. I can't remember details of the others, but I do remember being damned impressed (and surprised). So yeah, it's possible to hit a bad luck streak.

But in general I would certainly agree that you have to have your ducks in a row in AC these days. You can't take anything for granted. Maybe Cebu is better; I can't say because I haven't been there.

ThatGuy865
12-09-09, 06:06
That is not the reason. That is the CONSEQUENCE. Consequence of what? The consequence of our behaviour. Also as exploited by business owners who see the trends and ride them to make more money, rather than to create a good mongering experience.The owners have nothing to do with the girls being runners or telling a customer they are on the "mens". The girl being a runner doesn't bring any money into the bar because most of the girls don't return to the bar. And if she is telling a customer she's on her "Mens" she isn't getting bar fined so therefore the bar looses out money there.

Its the amount they have started paying these babes, convincing them that they are something special by calling them spotlight dancers and raising their barfines to a ridiculous amount. The amount the babes are making just for dancing, 340 pesos a night and the additional amount they make from LD's is more than good enough that the babes don't feel the need to go out with a guy unless they really are into him. And Once there if they don't feel like they are being treated special. They will run.

Wytboi N Asia
12-09-09, 10:34
I was in AC for a weekend a couple of weeks ago. Maybe I had a unique experience, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. I bar fined one girl each night. One from fields and one form perimeter. Both were GFE and neither wanted to leave the next day. I am still in touch with them via email and phone. I plan to see them again when I return in a few weeks.

Just my peso worth.

Philosophery
12-10-09, 07:28
the owners have nothing to do with the girls being runners or telling a customer they are on the "mens". the girl being a runner doesn't bring any money into the bar because most of the girls don't return to the bar. and if she is telling a customer she's on her "mens" she isn't getting bar fined so therefore the bar looses out money there.

its the amount they have started paying these babes, convincing them that they are something special by calling them spotlight dancers and raising their barfines to a ridiculous amount. the amount the babes are making just for dancing, 340 pesos a night and the additional amount they make from ld's is more than good enough that the babes don't feel the need to go out with a guy unless they really are into him. and once there if they don't feel like they are being treated special. they will run.my experience in angeles is that befriending the mamasan (buy her some drinks, tip her occasionally) is the surest way of avoiding a girl who will run on you. call it peer pressure but a girl won't run on a guy because the mamasan will give her a hard time. imho, girls will run on a guy that they feel they can take advantage of without repercussions.

its also good to speak to the mamasan about the girl before bar-fining her. if you are a good customer, mommy will tell the girl to make sure you are happy before leaving you.

Yella Man
12-10-09, 13:41
I was in AC for a weekend a couple of weeks ago. Maybe I had a unique experience, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. I bar fined one girl each night. One from fields and one form perimeter. Both were GFE and neither wanted to leave the next day. I am still in touch with them via email and phone. I plan to see them again when I return in a few weeks.

Just my peso worth.


I'm glad you had a wonderful time in AC, but be careful Wytboi! AC girls are notorious for separating men from their money...even over long distances. One week/month your exchanging harmless emails and phone calls with Ms GFE, and the next week/month Ms GFE's mother is in the hospital, her brother needs medication, her father lost his eye glasses, her sister needs tuition money, her aunt just had an accident, or any two-trillion other excuses they make up to squeeze you for money. Keep in touch with them, Keep a pleasent attitude with them, but avoid sending money. It's ok to be Mr Nice Guy to a point, but don't let the girls take advantage of you. I'm not saying you're a sucker, just sensing that you are new to the game.

YM

Mc Don
12-10-09, 17:05
I'm glad you had a wonderful time in AC, but be careful Wytboi! AC girls are notorious for separating men from their money...even over long distances. One week/month your exchanging harmless emails and phone calls with Ms GFE, and the next week/month Ms GFE's mother is in the hospital, her brother needs medication, her father lost his eye glasses, her sister needs tuition money, her aunt just had an accident, or any two-trillion other excuses they make up to squeeze you for money. Keep in touch with them, Keep a pleasent attitude with them, but avoid sending money. It's ok to be Mr Nice Guy to a point, but don't let the girls take advantage of you. I'm not saying you're a sucker, just sensing that you are new to the game.

YMThe best one has to be that she is now pregnant from another client and needs cash.

Hesekiels
12-10-09, 18:54
I'm glad you had a wonderful time in AC, but be careful Wytboi! AC girls are notorious for separating men from their money...even over long distances. One week/month your exchanging harmless emails and phone calls with Ms GFE, and the next week/month Ms GFE's mother is in the hospital, her brother needs medication, her father lost his eye glasses, her sister needs tuition money, her aunt just had an accident, or any two-trillion other excuses they make up to squeeze you for money. Keep in touch with them, Keep a pleasent attitude with them, but avoid sending money. It's ok to be Mr Nice Guy to a point, but don't let the girls take advantage of you. I'm not saying you're a sucker, just sensing that you are new to the game.

YM


excellently written YM! I totally agree with you and would like to add that I can hardly count all the e-mails I have received because of "emergency money"! The very best one was: "darling, you need not send all too much! 500 US bucks are perfectly fine"! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Sammon
12-10-09, 19:26
I'm glad you had a wonderful time in AC, but be careful Wytboi! AC girls are notorious for separating men from their money...even over long distances. One week/month your exchanging harmless emails and phone calls with Ms GFE, and the next week/month Ms GFE's mother is in the hospital, her brother needs medication, her father lost his eye glasses, her sister needs tuition money, her aunt just had an accident, or any two-trillion other excuses they make up to squeeze you for money. Keep in touch with them, Keep a pleasent attitude with them, but avoid sending money. It's ok to be Mr Nice Guy to a point, but don't let the girls take advantage of you. I'm not saying you're a sucker, just sensing that you are new to the game.

YM
These girls are definitely are viewed as cash cows by their family and friends. Why?
Because when they go home they take gifts to all, show off latest cell phone, nice clothes, jewellery, cosmetics etc which their poor family have never seen. And to boot they tell stories about generous western men they met and how she is in love with one special man who promised to marry her and take care of her for the rest of her life.
Only after few years they realize the truth.
Sometimes it is really true that the mother is sick etc. Whatever the emergency is they want money from the girl. The girls see theselves as the benefactor of the family as well. I was giving some money to a bargirl and explicitly told her to open a account and save money because my gifts are not forever. She gave all the money to the family. When finally I stopped she accused of abandoning her. I told her to start earning money.

Matius
12-11-09, 01:32
The owners have nothing to do with the girls being runners or telling a customer they are on the "mens". The girl being a runner doesn't bring any money into the bar because most of the girls don't return to the bar. And if she is telling a customer she's on her "Mens" she isn't getting bar fined so therefore the bar looses out money there.

Its the amount they have started paying these babes, convincing them that they are something special by calling them spotlight dancers and raising their barfines to a ridiculous amount. The amount the babes are making just for dancing, 340 pesos a night and the additional amount they make from LD's is more than good enough that the babes don't feel the need to go out with a guy unless they really are into him. And Once there if they don't feel like they are being treated special. They will run.

Over the last two years, runners no longer seem to be an exception. I make it clear to the girl I expect an overnight, but even then still get some who dress upon completion. That said, if I want them the next day and make that clear, then they do tend to stay around. Tips are also an incentive for them to stay around. But I also find those I am happy for them to leave, so at times a runner is a blessing.

Prices have remained relatively unchanged on Perimeter road during that time, but many of the Fields bars are paying huge incentives to get girls, then passing this along to the customer. The concept of short time on Perimeter seems to be a dying option, with more girls basically doing a short time but charging the full bf. Seems a short time price requires a lot more negotiation and agreement than being a menu item. Despite the high prices on Fields, many of the girls are starving, moving to Perimeter, seeking volume both in lady drinks and bf. On Fields bar owner described it as an exodus, so perhaps in the long run customers do have a say in what they are willing to pay and tolerate. A bar and the girls make no money if the customer is unwilling to pay the price of either the lady drink or bf. I get my girls on Perimeter, then take them to fields to enjoy the show and atmosphere. In most cases its the same quality of girls, the drinks are the same (a San Mig is a San Mig, at 60 or 90 peso), and some of the perimeter road bars are doing shows now (Stampede, Eruptions and Emotions).

Another example, one Fields bar charged 1,000 peso to enter and watch a beauty contest which included free local drinks and canapy's (I don't even know what these are). Every Monday, a group of Perimeter road bars put on fun shows, provide a full meal, free local drinks for the customer, 100 peso lady drinks, all for 500 peso. Canapy's must be much dearer than food.

Rocksoff
12-11-09, 04:59
The owners have nothing to do with the girls being runners [...] Its the amount they have started paying these babes,

The owners have everything to do with the amount they pay the babes.

But anyway, I think we're basically in agreement ;-)

ThatGuy865
12-11-09, 05:16
my experience in angeles is that befriending the mamasan (buy her some drinks, tip her occasionally) is the surest way of avoiding a girl who will run on you. call it peer pressure but a girl won't run on a guy because the mamasan will give her a hard time. imho, girls will run on a guy that they feel they can take advantage of without repercussions.

its also good to speak to the mamasan about the girl before bar-fining her. if you are a good customer, mommy will tell the girl to make sure you are happy before leaving you.for me the best way to prevent a runner is to make sure you get to know the bab. i have not had a runner in years. but i know plenty of guys who have.

first of all, when the waitress comes over and ask do i want to buy the girl a drink i always say no. this is to see how the girl reacts. if she immediately gets up and leaves then i know it was about earning the ld money and not me. if she want to be with you she will sit for a few more minutes even without having a ld. after couple of minutes i will then buy her a ld. i see how we click, if all goes well i still do not bar fine the bab. i make an excuse why we can't get together that night and schedule to meet her either the next day or later in the week. the next time i return to the bar i see how eager she is to see me and keep me company. its at this point i determine whether she is bf material. since i have been going there for years i have plenty of old time favorites that i can see while i do this process with new prospects. so after the first nights i have lined up the new ones to see the remaining nights and i keep the rotation going the entire vacation. this approach works for me and it seems by the time a girl comes to my room we have developed a repore and i receive the gfe i seek.

Hesekiels
12-12-09, 14:25
... After couple of minutes I will then buy her a LD. I see how we click, if all goes well I still do not Bar fine the baB. I make an excuse why we can't get together that night and schedule to meet her either the next day or later in the week. The next time I return to the bar I see how eager she is to see me and keep me company...


TG:

is this approach not a little too complicated? Just wondering!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

X Man
12-12-09, 14:49
Hesekiels (wish he had a nickname....) makes a good point. I think this strategy works best for people who live in PI or come often. Those people probably don't need advice...

Nevertheless, I think the TG concept is valid. Chat up the ladies like a Casanovva, be friendly, be mysterious, make jokes....etc....

The way I depart from TG is I would be more likely to barfine that night. But sometimes I don't, and come back the next night. It does create a different vibe.

I drink a bit, so I do keep a pen and paper to keep notes. I don't have the photographic memory i thought I had. What was I talking about?

Oh, In the event that I was out in the afternoon, and already was spent from the night before, I would definitely take names and numbers and write things down in case excessive consumption consumned my short term memory...

Nevertheless, I always meet ladies in AC who say, "Oh, you don't remember me?"

The problem is even worse in Cebu where there seems to be less turnover.

X




TG:

is this appoach not a little too complicated? Just wondering!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Cecil
12-12-09, 18:28
Just returned from 3 weeks in PI. The first week was in manila to meet a girl I met online. After that went sour I made a bee line for AC. Take bus from trinoma mall 132 pesos trike to mo's place 80 pesos.

Mo's place: great location, rooms can be noisey. Room 1 and 2 are semi quiet overlooking the pool. Room 1 had poor internet at best other rooms were much better. The food at their restaruant was Great it was the best of any hotel in AC. Mo's place is in the heart of Fields Ave. So for a first time or seasoned vet it is a good choice. Get your discount card when you check in. Mo's is also the home of 2 strip clubs, both clubs are open 24/7

Vodoo's the girls are super friendly! EWR 1100 peso girls tip 200 short time and 500 all night. Treat the girls nice and they will give you the attention you need. I always bought the girl I was with atleast one meal. After a few days I had a girl refuse to take a tip.

It is all in how you treat a girl

Ac 1600 2000 pesos had a hard time getting rid of the girls.

Manila 5000 peso for 3 hours most were ready to leave after 2 (waste of money)

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Billy Sardell
12-13-09, 07:34
Still waiting for LAW to name the bar, that kind of post needs follow up.

LAW where are you?

Rubberyman
12-13-09, 09:42
Mo's place: great location, rooms can be noisey. Room 1 and 2 are semi quiet overlooking the pool. Room 1 had poor internet at best other rooms were much better. The food at their restaruant was Great it was the best of any hotel in AC. Mo's place is in the heart of Fields Ave. So for a first time or seasoned vet it is a good choice. Get your discount card when you check in. Mo's is also the home of 2 strip clubs, both clubs are open 24/7

Vodoo's the girls are super friendly! EWR 1100 peso girls tip 200 short time and 500 all night. Treat the girls nice and they will give you the attention you need. I always bought the girl I was with atleast one meal. After a few days I had a girl refuse to take a tip.

It is all in how you treat a girl

Ac 1600 2000 pesos had a hard time getting rid of the girls.

Manila 5000 peso for 3 hours most were ready to leave after 2 (waste of money)



Good report - glad to see you employed your time wisely.

You were generous with your tips. The barfine is all inclusive and no tip is required. (Although I am sure the ladies appreciated the tip).

Having said that, of course it is up to you whether you tip, and how much. Personally, I tip a trike fare for them. I also buy a dress or two (about 350 P at the stalls opposite tropix/agasaya) for a long term barfine. (I figure it is more GFE to buy something for them than to just pony up some money). You are absolutely right that it is about how you treat the girl.

Mo's is in a good location, however there are plenty of others, so don't be afraid to experiment in your next trips....I am sure there will be many. Once is never enough. :)

Did you try the Tequila Reef just down the (side) road? I thought their food was better than Mo's.

ThatGuy865
12-13-09, 10:14
TG:

is this approach not a little too complicated? Just wondering!

Cheers!I know it might seem like that but, I have been going to AC since the mid 90's.

I failed to mention first thing when I land and many of the afternoons, I head to Santos for a BJ, which takes the edge off. Therefore during my night time hunt, I'm not out fully loaded. This will stop you from needing the first pinay who snuggles and rubs up against you. Once they realize you aren't desperate for their time, their attitude chances, at least to me it does. Coming back the next day, tells them you really wanted to be with them and if she still is as friendly as the first meeting you two now have developed a repore. For me, as I said, has just about guaranteed a GFE.

Bowerboy
12-13-09, 10:29
Dear Gents

In January I will be making my second trip to Angeles.

My first trip there was very frustrating and left me with a bad taste about the place. First of all I should say that I dont mind runners as I never take girls long time so that is no problem for me. What frustrated me was the Cherry girls and the Menstrating Girls. I found that all the pretiest girls are either Cherry Girls or if they say they are not Cherry girls then when it comes to leaving they say they cant because they are menstrating...it seemed so frustrating to have to constantly choose from all the second tier girls (although some of them were quite nice).

I am 39 years old and in good shape and do very well with girls in Asia usually and I am generous. Just wondered what others thoughts are on this cherry girl/menstarting issue.

Do you just ask them right up front if they are menstrating (or supposedly menstrating, my guess is that are not actually).

Thanks in avance

Ekspat
12-13-09, 10:47
The food at their restaruant was Great it was the best of any hotel in AC.
Excuse me? Did I miss something, maybe the irony???
IMHO it's among the worst food in AC. Fatty and tasteless.

Cheers!

Bowerboy
12-13-09, 11:07
Wow, having read back through a few of the posts I may have to cancel my Angeles trip...i noticed this "men" problem 3 years ago at which time no one else seemed to agree or notice it...it must be truly chronic now for so many to be commenting on it

Blink157
12-13-09, 11:17
Excuse me? Did I miss something, maybe the irony???
IMHO it's among the worst food in AC. Fatty and tasteless.

Cheers!
Magaritha station is much better, Swiss chalet is much better. Although girls like their pizza I prefer (if ever I want to eat one) the pizza served at the carousel bistro.Molly Malone was great with their buffet. Shanos has good and tasty food also. I only eat at Kokomoz if I dont have a choice, example if I meet a girl for the first time I invite her to places I seldom hang out.
To defend Kokomoz. The food is much better then the crap I get in the mall during my lunchbreaks, but it aint the best food among all the other hotels in AC.
I also wont stay in their rooms (to noisy), but everybody decide for his own.

Having breakfast now. Good Sunday to all.

Blink

Edgeman
12-13-09, 11:38
Dear Gents

In January I will be making my second trip to Angeles.

My first trip there was very frustrating and left me with a bad taste about the place. First of all I should say that I dont mind runners as I never take girls long time so that is no problem for me. What frustrated me was the Cherry girls and the Menstrating Girls. I found that all the pretiest girls are either Cherry Girls or if they say they are not Cherry girls then when it comes to leaving they say they cant because they are menstrating...it seemed so frustrating to have to constantly choose from all the second tier girls (although some of them were quite nice).

I am 39 years old and in good shape and do very well with girls in Asia usually and I am generous. Just wondered what others thoughts are on this cherry girl/menstarting issue.

Do you just ask them right up front if they are menstrating (or supposedly menstrating, my guess is that are not actually).

Thanks in avanceOk, Here's my advice. Decide on YOUR rules and stick to them. When I'm serious about taking a girl out of the bar, I immediately locate the mamasan and invite her to sit down for a drink. I let her know what my expectations are and let her know that I'll be back with a report, one way or another. A small tip in her general direction upon my return has always been enough to guarantee excellent service. This tactic also assists me with the keeping the barage of girls off my ass as soon as I enter the bar as I really cannot stand that. Telling them to back off does no good. They will harass you and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off and they could care less because if you're not taking them, they don't care if you take anyone and just assume you you leave. Just a few sharp words from the mamasan in tagalag will do the trick. And if by chance the mamsan cannot contol the girls, then get the hell out of there. There's plenty of good bars with decent management out there. I usually tip the girls about 1/2 of the bar fine extra and they're always happy with that. I have never had a problem in Angeles, however Thailand is another story. More money and big dick phobia. I've actually returned to a bar for a refund of the barfine once when a bar girl refused service in the room. The mamsan refused. Careful with the beer bar girls across from Tony's Disco. Anyway, back to Angeles. Don't let the waitresses do that throat stroking crap which is supposed to alert you to buy them a drink. Screw that. I make my own party. I choose one lady, let her know that we're going barhopping and we're going to pick up a friend for both of us. If she's up for it, then she's a keeper and we're off. Lot's of fun if you have a plan. No fun if you fall into their traps.

Take care guys.

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Rubberyman
12-13-09, 12:28
Dear Gents

In January I will be making my second trip to Angeles.

I am 39 years old and in good shape and do very well with girls in Asia usually and I am generous. Just wondered what others thoughts are on this cherry girl/menstarting issue.

Do you just ask them right up front if they are menstrating (or supposedly menstrating, my guess is that are not actually).

Thanks in avance

Sometimes it is just their way of saying "no thanks" diplomatically. However, there is always the possibility that they really do have the mens.

If I find someone says that, I just ask "How long?". If they say three or so days, I will tell them I might come back then.

Usually by that time, I have found someone else. However, I figure that if she was really cute, then it does not mean a lot of effort to return to the bar and ask her again.

Alternatively, ask the Mamasan. I am sure that she knows the important dates.

Also, I have the attitude of letting them do the work. ie I show a bit of interest, but never buy a LD for anyone unless they give me the look first. Then while drinking together, I just enjoy myself talking to them and seeing if we connect. Only if we click do I then ask if they 'go barfine'. If we don't click, and they aren't making a lot of effort to hold my attention, I don't bother even with asking....or any more LD. I just move on to the next bar.

I am fifties, balding and a bit overweight and tip minimally if at all, but have a pretty good success rate with this method. I have had runners, but few only. Most ladies want to stay late next day. Letting the lady make the effort actually seems to make them feel better about the process for some reason it seems to me.

Poopbunny
12-13-09, 14:18
Mo's place: The food at their restaruant was Great it was the best of any hotel in AC. Mo's place is in the heart of Fields Ave.



My vote goes to Swiss Chalet.

Betong
12-13-09, 14:29
The way I depart from TG is I would be more likely to barfine that night. But sometimes I don't, and come back the next night. It does create a different vibe.For sure. Returning a night or two later seems to create a kind of instant intimacy. The girl is usually surprised and pleased that you've actually come back to see her -- let's face it, there are plenty of other distractions, and most guys don't -- and it immediately moves things to a different level.

On the other hand, friends and I always talk about the Prime Directive: if you see something you really like, go for it then and there, otherwise you may never have the chance again. I've proven this time and time again to my cost -- lovely girl, available and willing, but I had to say, 'See you tomorrow' and of course never found her again. So there are different approaches, each with its own rewards and risks . . . .

Hesekiels
12-13-09, 15:04
... if you see something you really like, go for it then and there, otherwise you may never have the chance again...


so true, Betong!!! And I would like to add: don't wait all too long! If you are too slow another guy might have barfined her (that happened to me a couple of times)! Always keep in mind: the early bird catches the worm! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Primo Bolan
12-13-09, 21:26
Just returned from 3 weeks in PI. The first week was in manila to meet a girl I met online. After that went sour I made a bee line for AC. Take bus from trinoma mall 132 pesos trike to mo's place 80 pesos.

Mo's place: great location, rooms can be noisey. Room 1 and 2 are semi quiet overlooking the pool. Room 1 had poor internet at best other rooms were much better. The food at their restaruant was Great it was the best of any hotel in AC. Mo's place is in the heart of Fields Ave. So for a first time or seasoned vet it is a good choice. Get your discount card when you check in. Mo's is also the home of 2 strip clubs, both clubs are open 24/7

Vodoo's the girls are super friendly! EWR 1100 peso girls tip 200 short time and 500 all night. Treat the girls nice and they will give you the attention you need. I always bought the girl I was with atleast one meal. After a few days I had a girl refuse to take a tip.

It is all in how you treat a girl

Ac 1600 2000 pesos had a hard time getting rid of the girls.

Manila 5000 peso for 3 hours most were ready to leave after 2 (waste of money)

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Mo`s food taste like shit and the restaurant is dirty. So you have tested all of the hotels rest?

Matius
12-14-09, 00:23
Mo`s food taste like shit and the restaurant is dirty. So you have tested all of the hotels rest?

Maybe not the "best" food, but some suggestions; Margarita Station does a nice meal. Emotions Night Club/Touch of Class (same kitchen and owners) has good prices and you can watch the girls while you eat. "12:30" pizza is pretty good and they deliver. Hidden on the side street between Cherry's and Dr Holmes is Wobbly Boot, simple diner, but good food at an affordable price. Zappata's further up Perimeter is good for mexican. Next to Bada Bing on Perimeter there is a new Thai restaurant, not tried it myself, but many say it is good. In the new entertainment complex, next to the McDonalds on Fields is the Paradise Beer Garden, outdoor bar with good food. For less than 100 p there is a shwarma place across from Blue Nile. More expensive, but the ABC Hotel restaurant has good food if you want that upscale venue.

Rubberyman
12-14-09, 01:35
Mo`s food taste like shit and the restaurant is dirty. So you have tested all of the hotels rest?

Taste in food is like taste in girls. What one person might think is good, the next person thinks is bad. I mean, I know some people who seriously think McDonalds is GOOD. (It is edible, but GOOD?)

What do you think are the good restaurants in AC?

Ben2
12-14-09, 01:50
Taste in food is like taste in girls. What one person might think is good, the next person thinks is bad. I mean, I know some people who seriously think McDonalds is GOOD. (It is edible, but GOOD?)

What do you think are the good restaurants in AC?

McD's is great! I don't care what you say! And obviously so do the majority of people in the world who grab a bite every now and then from McD's. And you are right....What one person might think is good, the next person thinks is bad.

Rob Woodrow
12-14-09, 08:48
Dear Gents

In January I will be making my second trip to Angeles.

My first trip there was very frustrating and left me with a bad taste about the place. First of all I should say that I dont mind runners as I never take girls long time so that is no problem for me. What frustrated me was the Cherry girls and the Menstrating Girls. I found that all the pretiest girls are either Cherry Girls or if they say they are not Cherry girls then when it comes to leaving they say they cant because they are menstrating...it seemed so frustrating to have to constantly choose from all the second tier girls (although some of them were quite nice).

I am 39 years old and in good shape and do very well with girls in Asia usually and I am generous. Just wondered what others thoughts are on this cherry girl/menstarting issue.

Do you just ask them right up front if they are menstrating (or supposedly menstrating, my guess is that are not actually).

Thanks in avance

My advice:

1) Go to small bars, not show bars. If a bar has canned applause and/or dance groups with names, it's a show bar.

2) Sit right at the stage. You can see the girls better, you can look for the "V" on the ID cards, and you can flirt with the girls to get a feel for their attitude before you even buy them a drink. If the ID's are missing or not visible, pick another bar. After some flirting, you can flat-out tell the girl you're malibog and see what her response is. If it's positive, buy a drink. If you can't see a girl's ID, ask her name, then pretend you can't hear her and ask to see it on her ID.

3) Flirt with doorgirls you like, even if you don't go into the bar. Chat them up for a minute, then move along. Do the "ask her name" thing here as well. Do this for a few days. Make sure she sees you with a couple of other girls before you try to barfine her, otherwise she will think she owns you and walking past the bar will be annoying. She will call you a butterfly, which you should immediately own up to.

4) Depending on the length of your trip, you can sometimes barhop merely as a scouting mission. Do the stuff in step 2 at a few bars, and when you find one you like, tell her you're busy tonight but will come back tomorrow. Ask her if she will be working then and if she will have mens.

I'm firmly convinced that some bars have better barfine percentages than other bars. Just because some guys have had success in the lower percentage bars doesn't mean they're not lower. No way to prove this, really, but it's certainly a pattern I've seen.

I do have one friend who claims to have success in the bars I avoid. What he does is avoid the LD routine altogether. He'll find a girl who is off-shift, or is dancing on the upper tier. He'll just go up and talk to her, tell her what he wants to do, and ask her if she wants to go.

Primo Bolan
12-14-09, 16:25
Taste in food is like taste in girls. What one person might think is good, the next person thinks is bad. I mean, I know some people who seriously think McDonalds is GOOD. (It is edible, but GOOD?)

What do you think are the good restaurants in AC?
Clarkton hotel rest-bar is clean and they serve superb european-german food, and they also have some nice buffets. Sunday-Roast buffet.
In towncentre I prefer the M-Station and the malls food chains.
There is also a Pizza place upstairs somewhere and I always forget the name, but its nice.
Pb

Amjeck
12-14-09, 18:09
Dear Gents



My first trip there was very frustrating and left me with a bad taste about the place. First of all I should say that I dont mind runners as I never take girls long time so that is no problem for me. What frustrated me was the Cherry girls and the Menstrating Girls. I found that all the pretiest girls are either Cherry Girls or if they say they are not Cherry girls then when it comes to leaving they say they cant because they are menstrating...it seemed so frustrating to have to constantly choose from all the second tier girls (although some of them were quite nice).


I agree. I find the whole cherry girl thing really lame. If the girl is on display then she should fcuk! All other parts of asia are like this. Why is PI different?

Sammon
12-14-09, 20:58
I agree. I find the whole cherry girl thing really lame. If the girl is on display then she should fcuk! All other parts of asia are like this. Why is PI different?
More often than not it is a excuse not go with you. Do not take it personally since there are literally hundreds of girls to choose from.
Having said that I insisted on taking a girl who said she is menstruating and she bled all night all over the bed. I had to tip the cleaning ladies extra.

Spook
12-15-09, 00:25
I agree. I find the whole cherry girl thing really lame. If the girl is on display then she should fcuk! All other parts of asia are like this. Why is PI different?Why should she fuck just because she is on display? Jesus Christ, would You want to fuck YOU? Remember, these girls are human beings and if you are disgusting, smelly, perverted, a smoker or just a complete wanker why should the girl be compelled go with you?

Navy Max
12-15-09, 00:42
Hi Guys.

Need your help. I'm heading to Asia on biz. I have a 1 week vacation btwn 12/26 and 1/3. I've been going back and forth on where to go for my vacation. I was thinking doing Manila for a few days and then AC for 4 days including new years and the weekend. But I'm also considering Bangkok. I've been to BKK twice and loved it. But I've never been to Manila or AC for mongering. I prefer Pinay girls over thai. I want to be with pretty you girls, good mongering, fun and a good new years. I need your opinions on where you think I should go.

The issue I'm battling with is I'm familiar with BKK so I know where to go and what to expect. It's easy to go btwn Nana and Soi. But I'm not as familar with Manila and AC. What do you think?

Matius
12-15-09, 01:21
Dear Gents

In January I will be making my second trip to Angeles.

My first trip there was very frustrating and left me with a bad taste about the place. First of all I should say that I dont mind runners as I never take girls long time so that is no problem for me. What frustrated me was the Cherry girls and the Menstrating Girls. I found that all the pretiest girls are either Cherry Girls or if they say they are not Cherry girls then when it comes to leaving they say they cant because they are menstrating...it seemed so frustrating to have to constantly choose from all the second tier girls (although some of them were quite nice).

I am 39 years old and in good shape and do very well with girls in Asia usually and I am generous. Just wondered what others thoughts are on this cherry girl/menstarting issue.

Do you just ask them right up front if they are menstrating (or supposedly menstrating, my guess is that are not actually).

Thanks in avance

I think it may be one of two problems: 1) you are naturally attracted to the cherry girls, seems like every third girl I like is cherry, so can sympathize. 2) you are going to the wrong bars, probably fields avenue bars. Try Perimeter road, sure things are Cherry's, Touch of Class, Dr. Holmes, Nasty Duck (not to be confused with Dirty Duck on Fields), Honey Ko's, Candy bar and Sunshine Bar. Bigger bars on Perimeter have also a good selection; Stampede, Eruption and Emotions.

I would suggest right now in Angeles its a buyers market. Went down on Fields last night, hit Carasele, Typhoon, Genisis, Fantasy, the bars were almost empty. The girls weren't even attempting to dance or smile. Its clear they are starving on Fields from lack of business. Everyone is saying its the worst they've ever seen on Fields for lack of customers. The mamasan's didn't even care. If this keeps up, I suspect after Christmas there are going to be some very hungry girls on Fields. But for me, the place to be is on Perimeter road, in most of the established bars, the girls were dancing, laughing and having fun, which means a good attitude and fun for us.

Betong
12-15-09, 01:36
I find the whole cherry girl thing really lame. If the girl is on display then she should fcuk! All other parts of asia are like this. Why is PI different?I don't like it any better than you do, but it does serve a purpose. It's kind of like training wheels for a bargirl. And anything that helps get new young girls into the business can't be all bad. After all, most cherry girls don't stay that way too long.

Phantomtiger2
12-15-09, 01:46
. Everyone is saying its the worst they've ever seen on Fields for lack of customers. The mamasan's didn't even care. .


It had just the opposite effect with the mamasans with me. The lack of customers in a bar usually resulted in more mama time and attention to the sole customer in the place (me) and more pressure to buy her drinks, buy LD , pick the gals and buy more drinks etc. Sometimes, I wanted the mamas NOT to care as much and let me enjoy the moment.--just my experiences.

PT

BuleDaddy
12-15-09, 02:25
I mean, CGs that I have met ARE good. I usually talk to them a long time.
If they are cool I look after them. I have left them alone in my room before while I'd hit SM to get them some passaloubong. Never a problem.
Not so methodical in execution. Nice to have a virgin snatch in your face with that hymen looking right at you. Especially brand new arrivals. When I was young many girls back home that claimed the virginity never sported the cherry so I get a charge out of it. I had a couple of cherry girls pull 2 loads out of my ancient, dried up nuts while they watched a tagalog tv show. It was like a little slumber party to them. After that they had some noodle soup and fruit and we took a nap. I woke up getting a tougue bath and a second load from the 2nd girl with the other one tounging my butt that I took great pains to clean and swab with peroxide in front of them so they'd get the picture. They tried to get a 3rd nut but my huevos were empty. One got a sore on her lip from sucking for so long. In my face was two furry little beeves, and sqeezy little butts. One with a red cherry and the other with a more grayish one. The one girl took a liking to me and my laid back scene, comfort and good food and would not go back to the bar. When I left AC she cried and reminded me of how my daughter would cry when my wife dropped me off at work back in the 80's. Teenaged adults but emotionally just little girls. I got her a makeup kit and she reminded me of a little girl putting on her mommies makeup. So sweet, but so sad that in 20-30 years Girls over here will be in the same situation only the customers will be Chinese, Brazilans, and Russians and not so gentle like me.

Poopbunny
12-15-09, 03:27
More often than not it is a excuse not go with you. Do not take it personally since there are literally hundreds of girls to choose from.
Having said that I insisted on taking a girl who said she is menstruating and she bled all night all over the bed. I had to tip the cleaning ladies extra.

LMAO

Same thing happened to me.

On average, 1 in 4 fertile women are on the rag.

Ekspat
12-15-09, 10:14
There is also a Pizza place upstairs somewhere and I always forget the name, but its nice.
It's an Italian restaurant above Angel Witch bar. Salvatore or so.
Can recommend, the food is nice.

Cheers!

Blink157
12-15-09, 14:26
It's an Italian restaurant above Angel Witch bar. Salvatore or so.
Can recommend, the food is nice.

Cheers!

Maybe his also referring to the place above Lancelot, opposite Kokomoz. Like that place, cause you can sit outside and watch the people passing by.
Take your "special girl of the day" over there.
Kinda romantic.

Blink

Amjeck
12-15-09, 16:31
Why should she fuck just because she is on display? Jesus Christ, would You want to fuck YOU? Remember, these girls are human beings and if you are disgusting, smelly, perverted, a smoker or just a complete wanker why should the girl be compelled go with you?
Because it is a whroe house. People go there to buy pussy.

But what is lame is the "cherry girl" that won't give blowjobs, fuck, or kiss. Why the hell is she even in the establishment? This really is a good example of why the Philippines lags behind the other SE asian countries in everything. But at least a lot of them are giving it up for free outside of p4p scene!

Amjeck
12-15-09, 16:34
I had a couple of cherry girls pull 2 loads out of my ancient, dried up nuts while they watched a tagalog tv show.
I met 5 cherries on my last trip to ac and all of them said that they would not give hj, bj, kiss, or fuck. Again, what is the point? Or do you know something I do not?

Primo Bolan
12-15-09, 17:39
Maybe his also referring to the place above Lancelot, opposite Kokomoz. Like that place, cause you can sit outside and watch the people passing by.
Take your "special girl of the day" over there.
Kinda romantic.

Blink
Yes thats the one. At least I know aprox where it is.

Rocksoff
12-15-09, 20:17
Because it is a whroe house. People go there to buy pussy.

I suppose you order nothing but hamburger, no matter what kind of restaurant you're in.

Rocksoff
12-15-09, 20:23
I met 5 cherries on my last trip to ac and all of them said that they would not give hj, bj, kiss, or fuck.

I had one that I've been going back to for two trips, for mouthfuck and cum-on-face while she's naked with other girls coming and going .. does it for me ..

Rubberyman
12-16-09, 00:26
I met 5 cherries on my last trip to ac and all of them said that they would not give hj, bj, kiss, or fuck. Again, what is the point? Or do you know something I do not?

I think what your posts illustrate is that the Phils is NOT a 'point and fuck' place generally. (Of course one can find plenty of such places if one looks).

It is a place for getting a GFE. However, to get them to do the GF thing, you have to treat them like a GF. Most of the ladies want to do the GFE thing, and not think of themselves as Ho's.

So if someone goes there, treates the girls like they are hookers, that will just repel many of the ladies. Then they will give all the excuses in the world for not going with you.

Reading through the posts on this board, there are common themes:

First, if you want the porn star experience, it can be had, but you have to trawl through a lot of girls who are not interested in that at all, ever.

Second, if you want a GFE, you have to treat them as if they are girlfriends.

So, while I understand your wish to come in, get a quality service and go, there are plenty of mongers who don't want that at all, and who would rather have a GFE. So if you got your wish, there would be lots of mongers whining about how everyone in AC is a hooker and how you can't get 'real' GFE anymore.

You might need to look elsewhere for your ideal situation - it is unlikely to change in AC anytime soon since there are so many mongers out there looking for GFE rather than 'point and fuck'.

Matius
12-16-09, 01:09
hi guys.

need your help. i'm heading to asia on biz. i have a 1 week vacation btwn 12/26 and 1/3. i've been going back and forth on where to go for my vacation. i was thinking doing manila for a few days and then ac for 4 days including new years and the weekend. but i'm also considering bangkok. i've been to bkk twice and loved it. but i've never been to manila or ac for mongering. i prefer pinay girls over thai. i want to be with pretty you girls, good mongering, fun and a good new years. i need your opinions on where you think i should go.

the issue i'm battling with is i'm familiar with bkk so i know where to go and what to expect. it's easy to go btwn nana and soi. but i'm not as familar with manila and ac. what do you think?

i don't prefer manila, crowded, impersonal and more likely to get a surprise when the bill comes. but that is my opinion and many have great fun there. angeles like pattaya in relation to bangkok is about an hour to two hours drive (depending on traffic) outside of manila. depending on where you are coming from, there are international direct flights to clark (in angeles). i think now direct from singapore, shanghai, bangkok, hongkong, maybe others. cebu pacific, i think a new one called zest fly out of clark. if you come into manila, most hotels in angeles will arrange a car for you if you ask. i have strong preference for abc hotel, but it is generally booked out and it is at the top end of prices. others include lewis grand, pacific breeze, wild orchid, and the forum members suggest many others at affordable prices. there are hundreds of big and small hotels in angeles rep001tered around the main strip.

i find the filipina to be less professional more of gfe experience, plus if you want to build a group of girls to play with, they are less possesive than the thai girls. the other side of it is though, as one member so eloquently put it, ph in comparison to thai, is not a "point and f**k" destination. unlimited sexual possibilities but one is more successful being a gentleman. no full nudity in the bars of angeles, or ping pong balls flying out of various holes, although there are a few bars where things happen given the right atmosphere and the bar owners willingness to close the doors. the wanton sex is much more in your face in thailand, angeles has hundreds of bars, but is tame compared to what one sees in pattaya. the girls in angeles and ph in general are more niave and fun loving, my experience.

clearly expect a bias in coming to this forum and asking the question, but i travelled many times to thailand and much prefer angeles and the filipina in general. in angeles there is not a question of where to go, its all right there, and will simply become a matter of which bar you like best, not how to find the action. you won't know yourself until you try both, and the great thing about clark is that for a very affordable price you can fly between angeles and bangkok, doing both in the same trip.

ThatGuy865
12-16-09, 04:50
I met 5 cherries on my last trip to ac and all of them said that they would not give HJ, BJ, kiss, or fuck. Again, what is the point? Or do you know something I do not?A lot of the cherry girls do give BJ's and for some guys they just want the company of another person when they are bar hopping. So if she has a great personality and makes them laugh they will BF the cherry girl to go bar hopping. Especially if they BF 2 or 3 girls, one may be a cherry girl for personality and the others are for the sexcapades.

I personally do not do this, but I know quite a few expats and girls that live there. So I have plenty of people to bar hop with. But I understand the concept.

Plus with more and more big bars opening, outright freaks/*****s are getting harder to come by. And a mamasan worth is by how many girls she can bring to a bar. So they are getting to the point where they almost have to pay cherry girls and hope they turn out to be worth the investment.

Key Master
12-16-09, 07:42
Hi Guys.

Need your help. I'm heading to Asia on biz. I have a 1 week vacation btwn 12/26 and 1/3. I've been going back and forth on where to go for my vacation. I was thinking doing Manila for a few days and then AC for 4 days including new years and the weekend. But I'm also considering Bangkok. I've been to BKK twice and loved it. But I've never been to Manila or AC for mongering. I prefer Pinay girls over thai. I want to be with pretty you girls, good mongering, fun and a good new years. I need your opinions on where you think I should go.

The issue I'm battling with is I'm familiar with BKK so I know where to go and what to expect. It's easy to go btwn Nana and Soi. But I'm not as familar with Manila and AC. What do you think?

Given it's mostly Catholic and a lot of people go home for the Xmas period, I don't know if you'll get a good glimpse if you go during this period to PI. Personally for me, I prefer Manila, but I'm in no rush. If it's a real short stay and relationships not being built, I'd probably go to AC. But like I said, Xmas time period, I dont know if I'd do it that along with Easter. It may be tough to find decent hotel in AC at that time also.

Amjeck
12-16-09, 09:50
I think what your posts illustrate is that the Phils is NOT a 'point and fuck' place generally. (Of course one can find plenty of such places if one looks).

It is a place for getting a GFE. However, to get them to do the GF thing, you have to treat them like a GF. Most of the ladies want to do the GFE thing, and not think of themselves as Ho's.

So if someone goes there, treates the girls like they are hookers, that will just repel many of the ladies. Then they will give all the excuses in the world for not going with you.

Reading through the posts on this board, there are common themes:

First, if you want the porn star experience, it can be had, but you have to trawl through a lot of girls who are not interested in that at all, ever.

Second, if you want a GFE, you have to treat them as if they are girlfriends.

So, while I understand your wish to come in, get a quality service and go, there are plenty of mongers who don't want that at all, and who would rather have a GFE. So if you got your wish, there would be lots of mongers whining about how everyone in AC is a hooker and how you can't get 'real' GFE anymore.

You might need to look elsewhere for your ideal situation - it is unlikely to change in AC anytime soon since there are so many mongers out there looking for GFE rather than 'point and fuck'.
This helps. Thanks for your point of view. I guess Thailand has hardened me a bit. Maybe a little more patience and I'll see things differently, but I am very accustomed to "wham bam thank you mam".

It surprises me, however, that so many guys are looking for gfe in the bars when there is so much of it for free out side of the p4p scene.

X Man
12-16-09, 10:29
My guess is that you SURPRISE surprisingly easily.

X




It surprises me, however, that so many guys are looking for gfe in the bars when there is so much of it for free out side of the p4p scene.

Dveight
12-16-09, 11:51
It had just the opposite effect with the mamasans with me. The lack of customers in a bar usually resulted in more mama time and attention to the sole customer in the place (me) and more pressure to buy her drinks, buy LD, pick the gals and buy more drinks etc. Sometimes, I wanted the mamas NOT to care as much and let me enjoy the moment..just my experiences.

PTI had the same experience as you when I was there a couple of weeks ago, from the time I walked in almost every bar I had at least one attached to my hip, asking what girl I wanted, if I wanted a drink, if I'd buy a lady drink. It was actually a little off putting as I don't want to chose a girl in the first 30 seconds I'm in a bar. IMHO.

Hairy Wonder
12-16-09, 14:35
Hi Guys.

Need your help. I'm heading to Asia on biz. I have a 1 week vacation btwn 12/26 and 1/3. I've been going back and forth on where to go for my vacation. I was thinking doing Manila for a few days and then AC for 4 days including new years and the weekend. But I'm also considering Bangkok. I've been to BKK twice and loved it. But I've never been to Manila or AC for mongering. I prefer Pinay girls over thai. I want to be with pretty you girls, good mongering, fun and a good new years. I need your opinions on where you think I should go.

The issue I'm battling with is I'm familiar with BKK so I know where to go and what to expect. It's easy to go btwn Nana and Soi. But I'm not as familar with Manila and AC. What do you think?

Navy Max,

You will never know which is best for you until you try both. I am in a similar, but opposite situation. I have been to Manila quite a few times, and enjoyed the club scenes of P. Burgos and Ermita. Sadly, I have not gone to the Greenbelt or EDSA areas of Manila yet, nor have I been to Angeles City. Still, I find myself wanting to give Thailand a try, because of what I have heard and read about it.

I have met some Thai ladies working here in Korea (expensive as hell). And I must say that I prefer the Filipinas.

It sounds like you are leaning towards the Philippines from what you said. If I were in your shoes, I think I would go to the Philippines for comparison, if nothing else.

I'm assuming that it was only a typo when you stated "I want to be with pretty you girls," and that you truly meant "I want to be with pretty youNG girls," instead. ;)

Enjoy!
HW

Strikesfun
12-16-09, 22:09
Navy Max, going to Phil vs Thai and tage that to the holiday. I have been to both PHil and Thai each for about almost 10 yrs. Yes I agree with others that you should do both but Phil for Xmas and NYear? I am thinking that the Phil will be a little of a let down. Many of the girls go home from Angles or stay home in Manila for the holiday. Life has been changing in the Phil and the girls are known to say no to you, they have become short time runners, now this is not to say the the time will be bad but the timing here could add more complexity to your trip. Just my 2 cent I happen to like both but lean more to the Thai trips due to consistency of the girls have great time at either.

Navy Max
12-17-09, 07:00
Thanks for your help. I'm leaning towards AC 12/29. 1/3 but I see some posts about the Christmas holidays. Do you think it will be dead there. Lots of men but not many girls?

Key Master
12-18-09, 03:44
Thanks for your help. I'm leaning towards AC 12/29. 1/3 but I see some posts about the Christmas holidays. Do you think it will be dead there. Lots of men but not many girls?

It won't be dead. There will always be action. You are being warned that your view may be tarnished by the exodus of so a lot of the providers probably a lot of the top tier to go celebrate Xmas and New Year's away with family and friends. It's your call. You can go back and read up posts from before around this time of the year for historical sense. No one knows what the future holds. Personally for me, I wouldn't if you have the other choice available, but it beats being at home with nothing. Reread sections in PI here that you are interested for last year and such and also the same for Thailand.

Bornma
12-19-09, 17:28
If you really want a vacation, I would recommend Pattaya over AC. While the women in AC are really nice, and it is cheaper than Thailand - there is little to do other than go to clubs. Compared to Pattaya - no beaches, no real selection of restaurants, and limited entertainment (just the clubs).

Hotels also are not of the same standard as Pattaya - Lewis Grand versus Marriott Pattaya is not even a close comparison.

Rob Woodrow
12-20-09, 01:31
Just back from a quick 3 night trip to AC. The summary:

Total time in town: 56 hours
Number of girls: 4 total; 2 repeats and 2 new discoveries; 3 barfines and one hotel waitress.
Number of pops: 10
Number of BJs: ZERO
Number of texts sent: Not sure, but well over 100
Number of bars visited: 6 (it's easy when you know what you want and where it is)
Number of beers consumed: around 8 (I don't drink much there; I have beer at home)
Anxious to return: HELL YES

Rob Woodrow
12-20-09, 01:40
I have strong preference for ABC Hotel, but it is generally booked out and it is at the top end of prices. Others include Lewis Grand, Pacific Breeze, Wild Orchid, and the forum members suggest many others at affordable prices.
ABC is a "love it or hate it" deal. I hate it. The prices are not just high, they are absurd for what you get. The rooms are no larger or nicer than other places at 1/2 the price (PB for example, and if you're willing to sacrifice the pool, you can save even more at other places). Plus, you get the added bonus of being further away from the Fields Ave bars. I stayed there a couple of times, but decided it was a waste of money. It's not about the money really, it's more about the VALUE for that money. And to me, ABC does not add much value for that added cost. Since then I've stayed at Pacific Breeze, Valentino's, Royal Amsterdam, 950 Condotel, Le Mirage, Orange Lion, all at various levels of approval or disapproval. But I'd look at all of them before I'd look at ABC again.

Poopbunny
12-20-09, 12:28
Yes, if I wanted a family vacation I would consider Pattaya or even Phuket over AC. Hotels are better and food in general also. This is the one thing why I delayed my first visit to AC. However, IMO, pinoy girls are way better. Better GFE, better English and therefore less of a challenge to mentally connect. Since discovering pinoy girls, I never looked back to Thai girls. No doubt there are many other GFE options around the world, but often the main advantage of Pinoy girls are their standard of English comparably. If you don't know (or for your short trip, not willing to learn) the native language, Philippines are the best option for low cost GFE girls.

The one thing I hate about Pattaya is the long transfers from airport to Pattaya. Its like Manila to AC. Worse, is the eye gouging official taxi prices.



If you really want a vacation, I would recommend Pattaya over AC. While the women in AC are really nice, and it is cheaper than Thailand - there is little to do other than go to clubs. Compared to Pattaya - no beaches, no real selection of restaurants, and limited entertainment (just the clubs).

Hotels also are not of the same standard as Pattaya - Lewis Grand versus Marriott Pattaya is not even a close comparison.

Rocksoff
12-21-09, 06:06
the one thing i hate about pattaya is the long transfers from airport to pattaya. its like manila to ac. worse, is the eye gouging official taxi prices.

so take a bus for 150b (i think it's around gate 8, ground floor, there are signs), or get the number of one of those 800 baht operators in pattaya. i wouldn't be surprised if there were vans running also.

the 300 to 400 pesos that taxis in ac charge for airport transfers galls me more.

Betong
12-21-09, 12:54
the one thing i hate about pattaya is the long transfers from airport to pattaya. its like manila to ac. worse, is the eye gouging official taxi prices.you mean the public taxis (now on the lowest level of the airport)? they do a charge a bit more than the meter would come to but it's not outrageous. the main thing is to avoid the well-dressed touts inside the terminal. they're scammers and will seriously overcharge. ditto the guys you sometimes see with signs that say "pattaya b1000" -- when you arrive they'll demand b1000 *per person*.

Frank4220
12-21-09, 14:37
Was in there the other day, and for a long time it has been a favorite watering hole.
I guess the lack of biz is starting to effect some of the less well mannered ladies there.
One in particular, really got under my skin, with her bull s**t attitude.
Can not recall any other time, being hassled for drinks to that extent.
The lack of customers and Christmas do not make for happy campers.
Fortunately there are many other bars, where the Wait staff are better mannered!

BuleDaddy
12-21-09, 23:31
I met 5 cherries on my last trip to ac and all of them said that they would not give hj, bj, kiss, or fuck. Again, what is the point? Or do you know something I do not?
I met through Girls that weren't CG's I'd get to talking to the CG's when back at the bar that would tell me they'd give me great sip-sip, no problem, or I might see them at the Mall and tell them we'd hook up that night for food and dinero. If you get 2 cg's they are usually all about practicing their skill and they might be watching TV while they do it. REMEMBER that these girls don't want a huge load of young man spunk but a light load from and old man. It seems like they are training each other. They like the challenge of pulling a light load out rather than a quick, sure spunkload. ONE THING FOR SURE..and I saw it happen to a resident of AC...if you probe one of these girls inappropriately (it sounds crazy) like shove a finger in an oriface and IF you cause them to lose their cherry you will be paying a sh*^load of money to her bar and maybe the cops will get involved.

Sharka
12-22-09, 01:31
If you really want a vacation, I would recommend Pattaya over AC. While the women in AC are really nice, and it is cheaper than Thailand - there is little to do other than go to clubs. Compared to Pattaya - no beaches, no real selection of restaurants, and limited entertainment (just the clubs).

Hotels also are not of the same standard as Pattaya - Lewis Grand versus Marriott Pattaya is not even a close comparison.


I've been to both locations (more to Pattaya than AC) but I feel that if the vacationer is going purely for the action than AC can't be beat. I admit that during the dry season, AC is nothing than a dust bowl and wet season, it's one big mud pit but with all the bars and willing women makes it worthwhile. Pattaya women have gotten too hard core from all the years I've been there and seen the changes myself.
Given a choice, it will be AC (until somewhere else better cums along)--IMHO

Shark

Chocha Monger
12-22-09, 02:45
ONE THING FOR SURE..and I saw it happen to a resident of AC...if you probe one of these girls inappropriately (it sounds crazy) like shove a finger in an oriface and IF you cause them to lose their cherry you will be paying a sh*^load of money to her bar and maybe the cops will get involved.
In other words there is a very good chance of getting scammed by fucked up bar girls in AC. Now that Christmas is here and they're already hungry from a lack of customers in the previous months there is a high probability that your probing will be considered inappropriate. Head to LOS if you're not good at picking up on potential cherry scams.

Member #1319
12-22-09, 08:42
Hi,

I'll be going to AC for the first time and I'm wondering what is the appropriate tip for bartenders. Also I see in pictures where there are buckets of balls on the bar in front of where the girls dance. What is that for?

Thanks

Poopbunny
12-22-09, 13:28
I am aware of cheaper options, in fact my transfers are free cos I have a friend to pick me up.

But I just hate how "the official taxis can get away with charging so much", and no doubt, many unsuspecting tourist probably use them thinking that it is the going rate, when in fact the going rate is much lower, private cabs, or other.

Yes, 300p isn't great, but at DMIA, you are not bombarded with "official taxi signs" that offer the same service for 1000p.


So take a bus for 150b (I think it's around gate 8, ground floor, there are signs), or get the number of one of those 800 baht operators in Pattaya. I wouldn't be surprised if there were vans running also.

The 300 to 400 pesos that taxis in AC charge for airport transfers galls me more.

Strikesfun
12-22-09, 20:00
This is been repeated. AC has changed, runners, cherry girls, scams, hotels, for the holiday girls go home, Pattaya is perdicatable. The one benefit AC has and that is only if you speak english. Communiciations is easier. I Smile here in that half the girls will agree to everything in the bar and change in the room. But the great part of this is call choice. Enjoy

Rubberyman
12-23-09, 03:37
In other words there is a very good chance of getting scammed by fucked up bar girls in AC. Now that Christmas is here and they're already hungry from a lack of customers in the previous months there is a high probability that your probing will be considered inappropriate. Head to LOS if you're not good at picking up on potential cherry scams.

Well, there are plenty of mongers out there who will pay 50k Pesos and up to pop a cherry.

These girls know that.

Furthermore, for some of these girls, it is the only thing of value that they have. They are otherwise dirt poor.

So if you pop it, then you are depriving someone who is really poor of probably the only chance they will ever have of seeing that sort of money (at one time) in their entire lives.

That money would be the wages of a shop assistant in SM Mall for a year.

Think about it - if you had something worth one year of your wages and someone stuck a finger in it and made it almost worthless in comparison, would you not want the person that stuck their finger in to pay you for the damage?

It is only a scam if they really are not virgins at the time.

Oh, and even if you had to pay the 50k peso - that is not that bad a price for a virgin really. Just imagine what you would have to pay back home...as many guys here who married 'em found out to their cost.

Now THERE'S a scam for you - marriage. LOL.

Member 1319 - The Phils is not a tipping culture, but if you tip 20P it is appreciated. If you tip less, nobody gets upset in most bars, and if they do, move on - there are plenty out there. Also, if you go to a bar regularly and the waitress 'helps' you find ladies not on their mens and not cherry girls, they obviously deserve something extra. If a waitress or mamasan helps you select a lady, then that may save you many pesos and much time. You can also buy nuts and sweets for them from the vendors in the bars (20P), if you have a regular bar and a very helpful waitress or mamasan who makes sure you are not led astray, you can also buy cheap presents from the roadside stalls as well.

The buckets of balls are meant to be purchased for (300P usually) throwing at the girls - they get some P for every ball they catch, so the 'fun' is watching them scrabble for the balls for 20 seconds or so. I don't waste my time since I figure I can get more than 20 seconds of fun per 300P spent elsewhere - but whatever floats your boat. If you try it, you might like it.

Infamous1
12-23-09, 04:48
Ok-So, I'm going to be spending New Year's in Angeles City. Any recommendations on the best places to go? I've been reading that many working chicas go home for the holidays. Is that true?

Is anyone else going to be in Angeles City for New Year's, I'm traveling with a friend, we can arrange a meetup.

Jambo
12-23-09, 05:15
The buckets of balls are meant to be purchased for (300P usually) throwing at the girls
Those are a new one one me too. Can you stuff some of the balls down your pants? Just thinkin...

Sad that the peso shows are all gone..

Chocha Monger
12-23-09, 05:29
Well, there are plenty of mongers out there who will pay 50k Pesos and up to pop a cherry.

These girls know that.

Furthermore, for some of these girls, it is the only thing of value that they have. They are otherwise dirt poor.

So if you pop it, then you are depriving someone who is really poor of probably the only chance they will ever have of seeing that sort of money (at one time) in their entire lives.

That money would be the wages of a shop assistant in SM Mall for a year.

Think about it - if you had something worth one year of your wages and someone stuck a finger in it and made it almost worthless in comparison, would you not want the person that stuck their finger in to pay you for the damage?

It is only a scam if they really are not virgins at the time.

Oh, and even if you had to pay the 50k peso - that is not that bad a price for a virgin really. Just imagine what you would have to pay back home...as many guys here who married 'em found out to their cost.

Now THERE'S a scam for you - marriage. LOL.

I wasn't referring to cases where a guy bar fines a cherry girl without paying the cherry fee and then fingers or fucks her. If someone does that then they are putting themselves in a situation for trouble. The scam occurs when the girl is not identified as a cherry girl before being bar fined but then suddenly declares she is virgin when the guy sticks a finger or a dick in her. Then if the guy doesn't pay for the "damage" the police get involved.

How many of those AC bar girls posing as cherry girls are really virgins? I doubt many get off the farm intact. The first ride usually goes to a blood relative.

Cunning Stunt
12-23-09, 08:18
The first ride usually goes to a blood relative.

This is The Philippines CM, not Kazachstan!



..Can you stuff some of the balls down your pants? ...

Only if you have got really big ones of your own:D.

Nvslim
12-23-09, 09:44
Sad that the peso shows are all gone..



Something like this? From the Red Baron circa 1985.

Miss those good old days.

Slim

Warbucks
12-23-09, 10:19
Something like this? From the Red Baron circa 1985.

Miss those good old days.

Slim
Slim I recently caught up with a retired Airmen and man do he got some stories from AC and Subic during the 80s. Sounds like all us young guys missed some good times.