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How many of those AC bar girls posing as cherry girls are really virgins?
I'd love to know the answer to this? When I guy pays for the cherry does he get to inspect the hymen before purchase?
Fella's this place had the best show going. The Bannana lady could produce dangerours rates of fire and was very accurate. I loved the posting of the bird picking the old peso coins, she use yo pick up peso notes laying on your nose, whilst on stage. All in all the girls had some unique skills, which are now sadly lost. Ho Ho Ho
Gentlemen:
somehow a little strange! The hotels in AC are (almost) fully booked, but I see hardly any customers in the bars! Folks, where are you? :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Cunning Stunt
12-24-09, 05:04
Something like this? From the Red Baron circa 1985.
Miss those good old days.
Slim
Me too. Luv them old photos, Slim. Gets the old memories flooding back. Any more?
Note how the SMP bottle design has hardly changed in the intervening years.
FreebieFan
12-24-09, 05:26
Note how the SMP bottle design has hardly changed in the intervening years.Only the price on the cap..when I first went to Manila I think it was P8 !!
Gentlemen:
Somehow a little strange! The hotels in AC are (almost) fully booked, but I see hardly any customers in the bars! Folks, where are you?.
Cheers!
HesekielsMore guys meet over the net these days it is cheaper than the bars! So hotel is busy and bars not as busy.
Chocha Monger
12-24-09, 05:37
I'd love to know the answer to this? When I guy pays for the cherry does he get to inspect the hymen before purchase?
No. You don't get to inspect the hymen first but I guess there is nothing stopping you from doing a regular bar fine first and asking the girl to let you have a gander if she agrees to that.
Only the price on the cap..when I first went to Manila I think it was P8 !!
Yea, but you only got 20 pesos for the dollar. Bar fines were $10.00 and a blow job was $2.00.
Slim
No. You don't get to inspect the hymen first but I guess there is nothing stopping you from doing a regular bar fine first and asking the girl to let you have a gander if she agrees to that.
Why would anyone lay out 30k+ to "break" a cherry without inspection?
Ok-So, I'm going to be spending New Year's in Angeles City. Any recommendations on the best places to go? I've been reading that many working chicas go home for the holidays. Is that true?
Is anyone else going to be in Angeles City for New Year's, I'm traveling with a friend, we can arrange a meetup.
Infamous,
I'll be in AC over New Years. Be glad to meet for a beer, help you around if its your first time.
You might need to get a paid account, though, so we can use PMs to meet up.
~Crazy Ami
Chocha Monger
12-24-09, 18:07
Why would anyone lay out 30k+ to "break" a cherry without inspection?
The question should be why would anyone pay to break a cherry in the first place? These girls sell their "cherries" multiple times to various suckers. If you're a new customer technically it's her first time... with you.
This was a peso show I attended back in Feb 2004, I think it was in the old Bird Cage. She counted the coins then after she stood up and let them fall out she counted to make sure every peso came out.
Also a few vintage pics, plus the vintage ass shot.
Razzorr
Something like this? From the Red Baron circa 1985.
Miss those good old days.
Slim
Well, there are plenty of mongers out there who will pay 50k Pesos and up to pop a cherry.
These girls know that.
Furthermore, for some of these girls, it is the only thing of value that they have. They are otherwise dirt poor.
So if you pop it, then you are depriving someone who is really poor of probably the only chance they will ever have of seeing that sort of money (at one time) in their entire lives.
That money would be the wages of a shop assistant in SM Mall for a year.
Think about it - if you had something worth one year of your wages and someone stuck a finger in it and made it almost worthless in comparison, would you not want the person that stuck their finger in to pay you for the damage?
It is only a scam if they really are not virgins at the time.
Oh, and even if you had to pay the 50k peso - that is not that bad a price for a virgin really. Just imagine what you would have to pay back home...as many guys here who married 'em found out to their cost.
Now THERE'S a scam for you - marriage. LOL.
Member 1319 - The Phils is not a tipping culture, but if you tip 20P it is appreciated. If you tip less, nobody gets upset in most bars, and if they do, move on - there are plenty out there. Also, if you go to a bar regularly and the waitress 'helps' you find ladies not on their mens and not cherry girls, they obviously deserve something extra. If a waitress or mamasan helps you select a lady, then that may save you many pesos and much time. You can also buy nuts and sweets for them from the vendors in the bars (20P), if you have a regular bar and a very helpful waitress or mamasan who makes sure you are not led astray, you can also buy cheap presents from the roadside stalls as well.
The buckets of balls are meant to be purchased for (300P usually) throwing at the girls - they get some P for every ball they catch, so the 'fun' is watching them scrabble for the balls for 20 seconds or so. I don't waste my time since I figure I can get more than 20 seconds of fun per 300P spent elsewhere - but whatever floats your boat. If you try it, you might like it.
RM, very well said. I can imagine you are very successful in gaining favorable attention from the girls, as with little gifts and an understanding of their culture (your comments on Cherry Girls in particular) they appreciate your company. It does not take much to make them happy and if one acts like a gentleman all is available to him.
My personal experience is that if a girl is saying she is cherry and is not, it is because she does not want to barfine or boom boom. I've not found in the reputable bars girls trying to run the scam on getting 50K p for selling what they no longer have. While busting cherries holds no interest to me, even if free, generally a true cherry negotiation is somewhat protracted as the girl is shy and the mamasan is heavily involved in the negotiation, and probably will accompany the girl her first time.
So many on the forum get wrapped up in worrying about getting scamed, when in fact in the largest majority the cherry girls are the ones that get scamed. Feigning love or getting them drunk, there is a whole class of men out there who pride themselves on how many cherry girls they can get for free. As RM said so well, the most prized possession many of these girls have is their cherry and the 50kp they may request (about $1,000 U.S.) is the most money they will probably see at one time in their life. That amount would not buy a night with working girl in Vegas, and here in PH one is getting probably an 18 year old virgin. There are guys blowing themselves up in Palestine for that privelage. I have no use for the cheap low life's that pride themselves on getting something for nothing and there are many more of them than the few girls that may be running a "fake cherry" scam.
G'day
Anyone know if this Hotel is ok, good location etc (4th St. Josefa Subd) - http://www.redtuliphotel.com/
The prices look ok...but I've been conned a few times with internet photos of rooms ;)
Any feedback welcome.
Cheers
I would suggest not! I don't know it in particular, but where it is and from the pictures, I am going to guess AC, hotwater or even a toilet are optional. The insects are probably free. For budget minded try the Perimeter hotel above emotions or the walkabout hotel on Fields. There is also anoter called Savanah (spelling?) that many have said is good, its about a block off of Perimeter road. At least with these you are in the center of the perimeter road or fields street action. There are numerous other budget hotels on fields or perimeter road. Look for hotels with Perimeter road, Fields or Don Juico addresses.
Ok-So, I'm going to be spending New Year's in Angeles City. Any recommendations on the best places to go? I've been reading that many working chicas go home for the holidays. Is that true?
Is anyone else going to be in Angeles City for New Year's, I'm traveling with a friend, we can arrange a meetup.
Tourism is down this year, so regardless of how many go home, there will be more than enough to choose from. So many bars are empty of customers right now, it is definitly a buyers market. Most bars are open on New Years day, while many closed for Christmas day. Other than that, all bars will be open and all will be stocked with girls.
There are so many bars to choose from and they are all on one street, for the most part. You will see when you come here, you only need to walk down the street. Although the same long street, there are primarily two sections. The Fields avenue bars, tend to be higher priced show bars. Going in the opposite direction on the same street are the Perimeter road bars. I prefer the later as the direct contact with girls is better and prices are more reasonable, but would suggest any new visitor go to both ends of the street.
Preferring Perimeter road, I would recommend Stampede, Eruption, Emotions. Smaller but good bars are Cherries, Dr. Holmes, Touch of Class, Honey Ko, Candy bar, Foxy, Nasty Duck. But everyone has their special bars and regulars would have even further suggestions. 50p on a trike will take you to any bar or section, all the trike drivers know the names of the bars, you only have to tell them which one you want.
I would suggest not! I don't know it in particular, but where it is and from the pictures, I am going to guess AC, hotwater or even a toilet are optional. The insects are probably free. For budget minded try the Perimeter hotel above emotions or the walkabout hotel on Fields. There is also anoter called Savanah (spelling?) that many have said is good, its about a block off of Perimeter road. At least with these you are in the center of the perimeter road or fields street action. There are numerous other budget hotels on fields or perimeter road. Look for hotels with Perimeter road, Fields or Don Juico addresses.Spelling is savannah maybe a little pricey for a budget minded traveler. But very nice rooms. You can find more information on it in the AC hotel section.
Rubberyman
12-25-09, 09:53
It does not take much to make them happy and if one acts like a gentleman all is available to him.
My personal experience is that if a girl is saying she is cherry and is not, it is because she does not want to barfine or boom boom. I've not found in the reputable bars girls trying to run the scam on getting 50K p for selling what they no longer have. While busting cherries holds no interest to me, even if free, generally a true cherry negotiation is somewhat protracted as the girl is shy and the mamasan is heavily involved in the negotiation, and probably will accompany the girl her first time.
So many on the forum get wrapped up in worrying about getting scamed, when in fact in the largest majority the cherry girls are the ones that get scamed. Feigning love or getting them drunk, there is a whole class of men out there who pride themselves on how many cherry girls they can get for free.
I guess the point I would add here is just to think that if a girl is duped/scammed out of her cherry for nothing, how would any of us blame her for trying to return the favour, and scam as much as she can out of customers?
Those who complain about runners, lady drink scams, cherry girl scams, internet scams and so on, might like to think that part of that scamming attitude comes from the scams that the girls have done to them by some mongers.
Treat the ladies with a little respect - many of them are trying very hard to please and it is not an easy job - and they will generally respond positively.
Treat them like ho's and they will treat you like, er, 'clients'.
Spent a lovely Christmas midday at the Beergarden, lower end of Fields. Upon leaving for home, Earasia Hotel, some individual tried his level best to hospitalize myself and my lovely girl with a well aimed dynamite stick...exploded between my toes lol. Those in the vicinity screamed in terror. Take care gentlemen, some of our mongering buddies are up to no good out there.
PolyOrchid
12-25-09, 13:33
Treat them like ho's and they will treat you like, er, 'clients'.Too right you are, Rubberyman. Lest we forget, these girls are made of the same stuff we are: hopes, dreams, and a desire for happiness in their lives.
Just because they are so readily and easily available, we shouldn't treat them with any less kindness and respect than we would want ourselves.
I'd love to know the answer to this? When I guy pays for the cherry does he get to inspect the hymen before purchase?
A bit off , but information for all about Cherry girls in AC
Cherry girls (aka virgins) are marked with a RED "V" on their license/I.D.
They are required to under go an "exam" every 90 days. It is not outside of the realm of possibilities that a girl could slip under the radar and "mistakenly" be marked as a cherry girl and not be. It is also possible that a girl could "slip" some money to the examiner to retain her status (but in 6 years of living here, i can say that I have only heard of it happening 2 times).
G'day
Anyone know if this Hotel is ok, good location etc (4th St. Josefa Subd) - http://www.redtuliphotel.com/
The prices look ok...but I've been conned a few times with internet photos of rooms ;)
Any feedback welcome.
Cheers
Rooms are decent. Basic is how i would put/explain them.
The biggest draw back is the hotels location. Its very off the beaten track (with many other hotels in that price range that are in better locations). I stayed there for 2 nights about a year or so ago, it was hard as hell to get a trike (forget about using a jeepney, as you would have to walk through a locals subdivision area to get to the main road and at night its NOT advisable).
Gentlemen:
somehow a little strange! The hotels in AC are (almost) fully booked, but I see hardly any customers in the bars! Folks, where are you? :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I was just wondering that myself? I had heard that many hotels were booked, but my buddy was able to get into Phoenix with pretty short notice.
I was in Shooterz on lower Fields around 11pm on a Wednesday night, with 2 other paying customers! That was my 3rd time in Shooterz and each time, its empty, but good selection of girls.
How some of these clubs will stay in biz in 2010 is beyond me?
Talked to a few mama sans at some perimeter bars and they were telling me its more like "All saints day" than Christmas...very slow.
Nice selection of ladies for us guys that are here or intend to visit.
I was just wondering that myself? I had heard that many hotels were booked, but my buddy was able to get into Phoenix with pretty short notice.
I was in Shooterz on lower Fields around 11pm on a Wednesday night, with 2 other paying customers! That was my 3rd time in Shooterz and each time, its empty, but good selection of girls.
How some of these clubs will stay in biz in 2010 is beyond me?
Talked to a few mama sans at some perimeter bars and they were telling me its more like "All saints day" than Christmas...very slow.
Nice selection of ladies for us guys that are here or intend to visit.
I am not sure the hotels are as full as is being rumoured on the streets. Certainly agree Fields avenue in general is like a ghost town for lack of tourists. The bars though, are full of girls. More than a few of the more savey visitors are taking advantage, see them acquiring four or five girls at a time. Further good news is that most girls will have sent every last peso they have back to the family for Christmas. Rice money will be a priority and if ever there was a time to get on a plane and come to Angeles it is now. Thousands of girls and very few customers to compete with.
Agree that Shooters has a good line up of girls, but the same owner has Car Wash (next door to shooters), Body Shop and Roadies (on Perimeter Road). His selection is pretty good in all his bars. The story though is the same at most of the bars, lots of quality girls and very few customers. Christmas is past (very few bars open on that day) and all the bars are open, and most are open on Jan 1.
Chocha Monger
12-26-09, 02:43
I am not sure the hotels are as full as is being rumoured on the streets. Certainly agree Fields avenue in general is like a ghost town for lack of tourists. The bars though, are full of girls. More than a few of the more savey visitors are taking advantage, see them acquiring four or five girls at a time. Further good news is that most girls will have sent every last peso they have back to the family for Christmas. Rice money will be a priority and if ever there was a time to get on a plane and come to Angeles it is now. Thousands of girls and very few customers to compete with.
Agree that Shooters has a good line up of girls, but the same owner has Car Wash (next door to shooters), Body Shop and Roadies (on Perimeter Road). His selection is pretty good in all his bars. The story though is the same at most of the bars, lots of quality girls and very few customers. Christmas is past (very few bars open on that day) and all the bars are open, and most are open on Jan 1.
Actually now might be the best time to stay away from Fields Avenue. If enough mongers maintain the boycott the high priced bars will fold. Like the US and Dubai real estate markets AC is overdue for a price correction.
Rubberyman
12-26-09, 07:17
Actually now might be the best time to stay away from Fields Avenue. If enough mongers maintain the boycott the high priced bars will fold. Like the US and Dubai real estate markets AC is overdue for a price correction.
On the other hand, the bars might just fold completely and then the girls will not have a focus place far enough for their provinces to go to to make pisos.
I too, am puzzled by the high room bookings and apparent smaller numbers of mongers in some bars. I was there a few weeks ago and can confirm that the hotel I was at was refusing people off the streets. I heard the front desk saying that over the telephone and in person to people as I was going to and from my room.
I must admit although I thought the monger numbers were a little down, but not enough to make a difference. Perhaps it is the bigger number of bars open rather than less mongers. Those bars at the McDonalds end of Fields can hold a lot of guys, and even if it means four or five less clients in the smaller bars it might make it feel less busy.
I am voting with my feet anyhow - next trip in March airfares booked.
I sort of understand your idea about more realistic pricing. However, there are many more unrealistic priced places in the world (Home here for instance). I figure it is better to avoid the high priced hookers in the world (US, UK, Aust, Europe) as they are already spoiled by dumbasses willing to pay a fortune for crap service. In AC there are still places that provide a good GFE for a price that I figure is good allowing for inflation etc etc.
So probably better to go to AC, avoid the high end places (other than for the shows which I find sort of entertaining) for barfines and Lady Drinks, and support those bars that provide reasonable prices - they seem to be hurting a little bit, so why not reward them for the reasonable prices?
The question should be why would anyone pay to break a cherry in the first place? These girls sell their "cherries" multiple times to various suckers. If you're a new customer technically it's her first time... with you.
Well, i'd say it's a kind of fetish for some.
So is the whole "cherry girl" concept a scam? I mean it's all in the hymen really. If it ain't there then she's not a virgin.
Such a lame thing in AC. I find that the cutest girls in AC are(say they are) cherry girls. I'm always disappointed when I see that "red" V on the tag. I thought the whole concept of a ***** house was to not be disappointed!
This was a peso show I attended back in Feb 2004, I think it was in the old Bird Cage. She counted the coins then after she stood up and let them fall out she counted to make sure every peso came out.
Also a few vintage pics, plus the vintage ass shot.
RazzorrHey razzor,
You should've barfined that lady so you could feel her muscle control! Hehe.
ThatGuy865
12-27-09, 06:32
Well, I'd say it's a kind of fetish for some.
So is the whole "cherry girl" concept a scam? I mean it's all in the hymen really. If it ain't there then she's not a virgin.
Such a lame thing in AC. I find that the cutest girls in AC are(say they are) cherry girls. I'm always disappointed when I see that "red" V on the tag. I thought the whole concept of a ***** house was to not be disappointed!Well see thats your first misconception right there. You are going to a bar where there are no mandates that the woman excepts your offer. So you can definitely be disappointed. Are there bars that will coerce the babe into going. I'm sure there are. But for the most part, its up to the girl, whether or not she wants to leave with you.
Hi Gents
Just have a couple of quick questions:
1. What is the price all in for short time at the perimiter road bars?
2. What is the price all in for short time at the feilds avenue bars?
3. What is the deal at Niftys blow job bar? Loved that place last time but can't quite remember how the tequila for blow jobs deal works.
Many thanks in advance to anyone who would be kind enough to help with the above.
I will give my full report on my upcoming trip (early January).
Cheers
BB
Lot of discussion on Hotels. In my many trips I have stayed at Clarkton, ABC, Orchid Inn, American Hotel and Wild Orchid and Pacific Breeze. I have fluctuated between them all in my 20 + trips here.
When I first started to go there I tend to book at ABC Hotel and Wild Orchid. ($80-$120 pending on season) These are more of the expensive Hotels and have all the modern appeal that a Western tourist would want. Both are great location and if you want to spend extra money then I am sure you will be comfortable. Personally I have found less expensive Hotels that provide the same service as these top notch ones for less money per night. Take in account that the girls size your wallet up in the Hotel you are at. This does not mean they will NOT go with you, but they will certainly be more aggressive in "can you give me ___ because my grandma sick" or "brother in Hospital. "
Clarkton Is one that I like but its draw back is it is pretty far off fields. My "ex" is a bartender at Mirrors Bar which is located inside the Hotel. So I tend to stay away from here now. It has cheaper rooms that are pretty basic at (about $40) to newer rooms overlooking the pool ($80- $100) a night. If you like to eat and like buffets then I would say Clarkton is the best Hotel in Angeles for its food. Clarkton main building is old and the rooms tend to be older style and basic put together. But as I said the draw back with Clarkton is its location.
Pacific Breeze is my #1 choice if I want to spend extra money at Hotel. It is great location and located behind Wild Orchid. And foot steps from Fields. Blow Row is just footsteps away for quick relief. Cost here is also comparable to prices at Wild Orchid.
Orchid Inn. Bad experience here. Some mongers love this place. I guess its a matter of opinion. The plus is its Location. It is central and right in middle of the Bar scene. It had major insect problem when I was there. I changed rooms and still had problem. Also plumbing problems in room. I personally had issue with the ants and bugs seem to be everywhere in room. Maybe it was just me because I have heard other mongers say this is there favorite place to stay. Cost is $35- $60.
My Hotel of choice is American Hotel. Yes, we all have heard the ghost stories and some girls will not stay there. Personally I have yet to encounter a lady that will NOT stay there. Reason I like American is as follows. #1 is location. It is in between the bars on Perimeter and Fields. The Fields bars are still within a 10 walk several bars along the way. There is Mirrors Bar and Touch of Class next door to American where I am known well and has been my relax hang out during the day. These 2 bars are only open during the daytime. American Hotel has large rooms and they have a decent pool as well. The food is not that great but overall American Hotel is centrally located and cost around $30- $60 depending on type of room you want.
I have heard other Mongers like Pheonix Hotel as well. Its located between Clarkton and American Hotel. Hope this information helps any new Mongers adventuring to Angeles City.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Lion Killer
12-28-09, 01:07
I will be in AC this coming Friday, its been about 3 years since I have been there, but I have been 3 previous times, and to the Phils 7 times in all, not counting this trip. I have been reading the conversations/reports now for the past 6 months as to stay abreast of what is going on, like a smart monger should do.
Just a few of my 2 cent observations:
1) Drop the cherry girl conversations its getting old
2) All you negative guys out there that hate AC just stay away please and do no ruin it for the guys that know how to treat the ladies, never get turned down and have a great time, your just dragging it down for us good guys
3) Guys who are still going there and have a great time, treat the ladies like they are ladies and not like wh*res, good job, you reap your rewards
4) I will stay for 2 weeks and meet about 6 chat host girls from online in various sites, who may I say have never asked for money just the opportunity to meet and fuck for the chance that I may bring one of them home to the states with me, lol. I am not stupid, I know I will pay to fuck these young little pretty, hot & horny girls, its just from 6 months of conversations I know what I will get from them, its not hit and miss as like the bar girls
5) You will get all of my reports good or bad, whether it worked out or not
6) To the guys who know what I am talking about I say thank you, to all the flames I will get from this report I can only say sorry my friends ahead of time and will not answer you
Take call all I will let you know how my adventures turn out, after all its just an adventure and not true romance now is it?
LK
Escort Fan
12-28-09, 03:49
4) I will stay for 2 weeks and meet about 6 chat host girls from online in various sites, who may I say have never asked for money just the opportunity to meet and fuck for the chance that I may bring one of them home to the states with me, LOL. I am not stupid, I know I will pay to fuck these young little pretty, hot & horny girls, its just from 6 months of conversations I know what I will get from them, its not hit and miss as like the bar girls
LKIf you have it worked out and make arrangements with online girls, I don't see the point of going to AC, have them to come see you in manila.
I mean two weeks in AC, thats a bit much. Unless you have a dick of steel and can fuck all day long it might get boring.
And if you plan to get a girl to the states I'd recommand manila which has 'normal' girls:)
You sure are organised. Preparing six months in advance:) AC is more for the lazy guys who come bar hoop randomly on fields and fuck what comes around their dick.
On the other hand, the bars might just fold completely and then the girls will not have a focus place far enough for their provinces to go to to make pisos.
I too, am puzzled by the high room bookings and apparent smaller numbers of mongers in some bars. I was there a few weeks ago and can confirm that the hotel I was at was refusing people off the streets. I heard the front desk saying that over the telephone and in person to people as I was going to and from my room.
I must admit although I thought the monger numbers were a little down, but not enough to make a difference. Perhaps it is the bigger number of bars open rather than less mongers. Those bars at the McDonalds end of Fields can hold a lot of guys, and even if it means four or five less clients in the smaller bars it might make it feel less busy.
I am voting with my feet anyhow - next trip in March airfares booked.
I sort of understand your idea about more realistic pricing. However, there are many more unrealistic priced places in the world (Home here for instance). I figure it is better to avoid the high priced hookers in the world (US, UK, Aust, Europe) as they are already spoiled by dumbasses willing to pay a fortune for crap service. In AC there are still places that provide a good GFE for a price that I figure is good allowing for inflation etc etc.
So probably better to go to AC, avoid the high end places (other than for the shows which I find sort of entertaining) for barfines and Lady Drinks, and support those bars that provide reasonable prices - they seem to be hurting a little bit, so why not reward them for the reasonable prices?
Bars are folding as we speak, won't mention names, but some big ones on Fields are on the verge. Very hard to get an accurate understanding of the hotel bookings, for example with Wild Orchid in the last week I've heard three different figures on their current occupancy, 40%, 70% and fully booked. Since Christmas, though, seeing more tourists in the bars and on the streets, not a deluge by any means, but more faces.
Again showing my preference, Perimeter Road bars have better pricing and in many cases the same quality of girls as Fields. You can get closer to the girls, unlike many of the Fields bars where viewing is like sitting in a sports stadium watching a game. Perimeter Road, in many cases have the owners running the bars, thus customer concerns or information is more readily available, opposed to dealing with waitress and mamasans at the bigger bars. The locals in Angeles primarily go to Perimeter road bars, as the old saying goes to follow the locals for the best value for money.
There is Mirrors Bar and Touch of Class next door to American where I am known well and has been my relax hang out during the day.
It's not Mirrors, it's Emotions. :p
Cheers!
Your right my typo..Mirrors is bar inside Clarkton. I meant to say Touch of Class and Emotions is next or bear American Hotel.
Lion Killer
12-28-09, 17:05
I am going to AC to meet them because that is where they live. You do not ask a girl you have never met to jump on a bus and meet you in Manila, these are not hardened pros, they are just cam girls who have never met a forienger.
From AC we will venture off, head to Manila, go the the Island of Boracay, maybe hit Cebu, Mactan Island, who knows. I am not paying these girls, they are not hookers/bar girls, its strictly a GFE vacation with them, I may stay one day with one or one week with another, its an adventure, that's all it is.
LK
Shoot I bought a girl a ticket from Davao to Manila sight unseen. Saved me travel time. She was more than willing, and it helped that she had an auntie to stay with in Manila so it was "proper". I paid for it though, she hardly had a tooth in her mouth! But a lovely body so I kept my wanker out of her mouth and rogered her jolly. Did three other girls that week as well.
This is the one:
I am going to AC to meet them because that is where they live. You do not ask a girl you have never met to jump on a bus and meet you in Manila, these are not hardened pros, they are just cam girls who have never met a forienger.
LK
LK that might be the funniest statement I've heard on the board all month. I've had sweet, virginal, tasty, young non-pro's whom I've never met ride a bus or ferry for hours willingly just to meet me for several hours. That is in no way a testiment to how great I am, but only to how desperate many of the their situations are. I met a girl a while back from Butuan who claimed she was a virgin. I played along but didn't believe it until the cherry popped. Boy was I surprised! This same girl was pregnant by her Filipino boyfriend four months later. He promptly dumped her as they often do when their girlfriends get pregnant. She almost died trying to have an illegal abortion by drinking some concoction to make her abort the fetus, and even after all of that, she is still wanting to meet me in January. She's a smart, four-year college graduate. Like I said, "Desperate Times!"
Don't hold much stock in what the girls tell you through chat. Things like, "Never met a foreigner", and "I have no children" fall out of their mouths as easily as, "I'm a God Fearing women," and other such nonsense. They will tell you these things and make you believe it if your not that experienced in dealing with them. Have a safe trip!
Yella Man
Hi Gents
Just have a couple of quick questions:
1. What is the price all in for short time at the perimiter road bars?
2. What is the price all in for short time at the feilds avenue bars?
3. What is the deal at Niftys blow job bar? Loved that place last time but can't quite remember how the tequila for blow jobs deal works.
Many thanks in advance to anyone who would be kind enough to help with the above.
I will give my full report on my upcoming trip (early January).
Cheers
BB
Answers:
1. The bar fine prices on perimeter road for the vast majority of bars will be P1200, some as low as P1000, but most are P1200 - NOTE - this is for the barfine, ST or LT is up to you and the girl to agree upon. Most perimeter road bars do not have ST rates. Imo, a "tip" can be earned anywhere from P0 (rarely happens) to P500 (for great service) with most "tips" of mine being about P300.
2. The bar fine prices on Fields VARY GREATLY for the vast majority of bars will be P1500, some as low as P13000 (Shooterz bar, Car Wash bar,body shop bar,Alaska bar, Labamba, Rhapsody, just to plug those bars who have kept the prices down) - NOTE - this is for the barfine, ST or LT is up to you and the girl to agree upon. Imo, a "tip" can be earned anywhere from P0 (rarely happens) to P500 (for great service) with most "tips" of mine being about P300.
3. Nifty's imo has gone downhill. The pressure in that bar for ladies drinks is extreme. if you are after a quick bj release, you would be better off on A. Santos street (aka blow row) or Ramond street (the new blow row) at a bj/ST bar. The prices there will run you about P600 to P700 for a ST of up to 3 hours.
Lion Killer
12-29-09, 00:50
I am glad you find it hilarious.
As you know each situation is different, it is just my option to not have them travel to me, but rather I travel to them, gives me an out should I decide not to further the adventure with them, and not have to burden the cost of paying for not only their travel to but also their return from where ever they came from, of course you probably would not do that also.
If I travel them to me I am stuck with them for at least awhile possibly overnight till I can get them transportation back to where they came from.
As far as what they tell you and what you believe its totally up the individual, myself I have been traveling the Phils for 8 years, meeting & fucking hundreds of girls, I have heard every bola bola story there is, some were true some were not, not every girl is a liar as you seem to lead everyone to believe.
LK
Cunning Stunt
12-29-09, 02:38
I paid for it though, she hardly had a tooth in her mouth! But a lovely body so I kept my wanker out of her mouth and rogered her jolly.
Wow, a gummy BJ!! The worlds best. I am suprised that you didn't just fuck her mouth and forget the pussy;).
Reminds me of the joke:
A bloke goes into a bar and somebody is selling a toothless ferret.
"What use is that"?, he asks, "That’s not going to catch many rabbits".
"Slip it in it your trousers" the seller replies.
So he puts it down his pants it gives him the best BJ ever. So he buys it, takes it home and gives it to his wife
"Oh" she says "Whats this"?
The bloke replies "It’s a toothless ferret".
"What am I going to do with a toothless ferret"? she asks.
"Teach it how to wash the dishes then pack your bags and fuck off"!
Answers:P1200 - NOTE - this is for the barfine, ST or LT is up to you and the girl to agree upon.
Note that in Thailand the "barfine" is for the bar and the girl gets nothing of that. In Angeles the system is different -- the amount is all-in; i.e. the amount is for the girl and the bar both. If you want to tip on top of that, it's up to you. I would tip for really good service (i.e. I don't have to insist on every little thing, she doesn't wake me up at 6am because she has "dance practice", etc.).
Before people start calling me cheap, there are girls I've taken each time I visit Angeles, or two three times in a trip, and they've been no less eager the first time than on subsequent times, and always messaging my phone off the hook.
P1300 ([...]Car Wash bar
I happened to be there on one of the first nights, a month or so ago. Stacked with cute young girls. I feared a spanking new place on Fields would be expensive, but they're reasonable.
The Rooster1
12-29-09, 12:22
You sure are organised. Preparing six months in advance. AC is more for the lazy guys who come bar hoop randomly on fields and fuck what comes around their dick.[/QUOTE]You got that quote right. Had to head back to the states on my days off in DEC and only had 3 days. Plan was to head to Cebu where I have a rented house and my regular girl. So right before landing in Manila, I said fuck it. Hard landing I stay with plan and head to Cebu, nice smooth landing and I'm headed to ANgeles. Boy did he grease it in there and off to Angeles I went. The decisions some of us have to make.
Had a great 3 days there and saw some old tour guides and a couple new. Hit some new bars for me, Pony Tails and Cherry's and a great time. Of course a stop at the BJ bar and a couple good nights barhopping. It was pretty quiet for a Thur/Fri/Sat in Angeles, which is ok for me. ALL those girls and not many guys.
Rob Woodrow
12-30-09, 06:33
You sure are organised. Preparing six months in advance:) AC is more for the lazy guys who come bar hoop randomly on fields and fuck what comes around their dick.
I think I planned my first trip two months in advance. My most recent trip was decided and booked two days in advance.
Again showing my preference, Perimeter Road bars have better pricing and in many cases the same quality of girls as Fields.
The locals in Angeles primarily go to Perimeter road bars, as the old saying goes to follow the locals for the best value for money.
So true, never found any true gems from fields. Always from the perimeter. IMHO too many pre-madonas from the fields group.
And I always had a good, genuine time in the perimeter bars. Girls getting naked, booty shake contests, naked pool, etc. Fields is nice for the shows, if you already have your girl that is.
Will try AC again in Feb. so expect an update then.
Happy New Years everyone!
I paid for it though, she hardly had a tooth in her mouth! But a lovely body so I kept my wanker out of her mouth and rogered her jolly.
Wow, a gummy BJ!! The worlds best. I am suprised that you didn't just fuck her mouth and forget the pussy;).
Man! a gummy BJ with one tooth would be like having a BJ with an amazing tongue ring/tongue stud. Must try.
Happy New Year folks.
man! a gummy bj with one tooth would be like having a bj with an amazing tongue ring/tongue stud. must try.
oh god no! her mouth had like bits and pieces of teeth, and black stuff. no way i was going to stick my precious in there! the rest of her was fine, and she was soft where it counted, so i didn't mind so much.
ThatGuy865
01-01-10, 01:50
Oh God no! Her mouth had like bits and pieces of teeth, and black stuff. No way I was going to stick my precious in there! The rest of her was fine, and she was soft where it counted, so I didn't mind so much.Man if a woman was nasty enough to let her mouth get like that, I would think how well is she taking care of her snatch. Where no one can C. I would have touched that period.
Hairy Wonder
01-01-10, 03:11
So true, never found any true gems from fields. Always from the perimeter. IMHO too many pre-madonas from the fields group.
And I always had a good, genuine time in the perimeter bars. Girls getting naked, booty shake contests, naked pool, etc. Fields is nice for the shows, if you already have your girl that is.
Will try AC again in Feb. so expect an update then.
Happy New Years everyone!
What's this CARMEX? Leaving your potential wingman out of the plans?
Actually, I'm looking at the end of Feb. also! But I have one lined up in Cebu that has promised to ride me multiple times everyday. And then, if I can get up and walk, she says that it is OK if I want to go out and fuck other girls as well! I guess I need to stock up on the vitamin V or C for when I do go there. Maybe a trip to P. Burgos Street in Makati first would be a good idea. Or even better, a stop over in Thailand!
I might even bring this girl to AC in order to find some Bi girls that will teach her the fine art of girl on girl, then of course 2 girl on 1 guy action! She wants to try this and so many other things that she has never done before. Anybody have any ideas on where the willing Bi girls can be found?
Happy New Mongering Year!
HW
Thanks for the price info Freddie, much appreciated.
The Rooster1
01-02-10, 09:32
What's this CARMEX? Leaving your potential wingman out of the plans?
Actually, I'm looking at the end of Feb. also! But I have one lined up in Cebu that has promised to ride me multiple times everyday. And then, if I can get up and walk, she says that it is OK if I want to go out and fuck other girls as well! I guess I need to stock up on the vitamin V or C for when I do go there. Maybe a trip to P. Burgos Street in Makati first would be a good idea. Or even better, a stop over in Thailand!
I might even bring this girl to AC in order to find some Bi girls that will teach her the fine art of girl on girl, then of course 2 girl on 1 guy action! She wants to try this and so many other things that she has never done before. Anybody have any ideas on where the willing Bi girls can be found?
Happy New Mongering Year!
HWThey will be right in Cebu. Just hit a go-go and ask one girl to find you one and you will get some interested candidates coming your way. Always that easy. Good luck with the training!
Peace out!
Hairy Wonder
01-03-10, 00:19
Thanks for the tip Rooster1!
Shit got caught out last night buying a ladies drink and paid 300 peso for a fucking San Miguel Light (I agrued but got no where). Fuck I hate to see what the top shelf prices would B. You always learn sometheing new (or bars to black ban) on your trips. Moral of the story always ask price in the fields area.
I went to this bar again, having been some time since my last visit. Love and Music is located in the new entertainment complex by McDonalds, almost at the corner of Fields and MacArthur. This is a show bar and the prices are higher than many other venues (probably equal to the Dollhouse Group), but if one sits for a moment and looks at the stage (after all we come for the girls), the bar has to have one of the best line ups of girls. There are simply stunners on the stage, and if you can afford the 3000 p EWR, would suggest you end up with a girl that is not typical of most bars. This bar is clearly for the high end customer who does not mind spending a hundred dollars or two for their entertainment. But if you ever said you would be willing to pay to see something different or exceptional in AC, this might be the bar for you.
I went to this bar again, having been some time since my last visit. Love and Music is located in the new entertainment complex by McDonalds, almost at the corner of Fields and MacArthur. This is a show bar and the prices are higher than many other venues (probably equal to the Dollhouse Group), but if one sits for a moment and looks at the stage (after all we come for the girls), the bar has to have one of the best line ups of girls. There are simply stunners on the stage, and if you can afford the 3000 p EWR, would suggest you end up with a girl that is not typical of most bars. This bar is clearly for the high end customer who does not mind spending a hundred dollars or two for their entertainment. But if you ever said you would be willing to pay to see something different or exceptional in AC, this might be the bar for you.
It's great to read this kind of report, rather than the same old same old. Thank you for the excellent tip.
Btw, do you have any idea/comments about the "fun factor" of the girls there (and any of the show-places)? The only reason I've tended to avoid the bigger establishments is that I usually have had better luck finding really fun and appreciative girls in smaller places, but that might be influenced by my Thailand experiences where the spotlight girls tend to be the weaker performers.
Cheers, and happy holidays.
-B-
The Rooster1
01-04-10, 08:15
Shit got caught out last night buying a ladies drink and paid 300 peso for a fucking San Miguel Light (I agrued but got no where). Fuck I hate to see what the top shelf prices would B. You always learn sometheing new (or bars to black ban) on your trips. Moral of the story always ask price in the fields area.Definitely ask and watch your tickets. It is typical at most of the bars that I have been that San Mig Lights are the top priced drinks for ladies drinks. I'm not sure why, but probably a shot of Tuquila would have been cheaper.
Rob Woodrow
01-04-10, 10:19
This bar is clearly for the high end customer who does not mind spending a hundred dollars or two for their entertainment. But if you ever said you would be willing to pay to see something different or exceptional in AC, this might be the bar for you.
Eh, the cheap sleaziness is part of the fun factor for me. Doesn't sound like my type of joint. In fact I went in once, and then left in about 10 seconds without sitting down or ordering a drink. I would have gotten along well with this guy: "Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint 'atmosphere'. Is that clear, or do I have to slip you my left for a convincer?"
Chocha Monger
01-04-10, 20:03
A monger got a vicious ass whopping in Doll House over some ladies drinks. Visit Fields Ave bars at your own risk.
http://harrythehorse.com/2010/january.htm
Btw, do you have any idea/comments about the "fun factor" of the girls there (and any of the show-places)? The only reason I've tended to avoid the bigger establishments is that I usually have had better luck finding really fun and appreciative girls in smaller places, but that might be influenced by my Thailand experiences where the spotlight girls tend to be the weaker performers.
-B-
I am not a frequent promoter of the bars on Fields. In general, I find them overpriced. The distance from the stage to the seating (Atlantis and Golden Nile are the poster children for this) makes it very difficult to interact and determine personality before asking the girl to sit. Thus I agree with you that I prefer the smaller bars for the same reasons you describe, more so the perimeter road bars.
I don't have an effective sample size, in that I don't bar fine a great number of show girls. But my relatively small sample suggests that chances of a good performance are about the same as with any girl. I think it all has to do with the chemistry with the girl, regardless of her looks or job description. Further, I did not take a show girl, I took one of their regular dancers, who was a knockout and she provided GF experience.
The show bars on fields are not for everyone, but would suggest everyone should do a bar hop if they have not been to them. I find Crystal Palace entertaining at times. I also find that a great majority of fields bars have no justification for the prices they are charging. The girls are typical of any bar, there is no show or entertainment worth seeing and it seems one is paying a higher price for everything simply because the bar is located on fields. I mentioned Love and Music as they had some real lookers on stage, their cultural show was unique and well presented, and the girls tend to come off the stage and dance on the floor and mingle with the customers (unlike most show bars). I also pointed out very clearly that this is a high end establishment with a unique atmosphere. It is not a "drinking" bar, or Pool hall bar, or one to go to if you are concerned about 50 peso draft beer, or if you start your conversation with a girl by asking if she is a three holer. Not that there is anything wrong with these establishments, its just not this bar.
Eh, the cheap sleaziness is part of the fun factor for me. Doesn't sound like my type of joint. In fact I went in once, and then left in about 10 seconds without sitting down or ordering a drink. I would have gotten along well with this guy: "Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint 'atmosphere'. Is that clear, or do I have to slip you my left for a convincer?"
Exactly, its not that type of bar, and given your description of what you like, any similar customer would also not stay 10 seconds. If you don't already know it, you might include Dr. Holmes on your list. Its on Perimeter road, half a block up from the ABC Hotel. The bar plays 60's thru 80's Rock and roll, with some upbeat country western thrown in. It has dancers but is often frequented by the drinkers who just want a little eye candy while they pound down their liquor. Its closer to an Irish pub than to a go go bar, but again it does have dancers.
Cheap and Sleazy, not sure any bar owner would enjoy that description of their bar, but try Roadies, Nasty Duck (not to be confused with Dirty Duck on fields), Fire and Ice, Nifty's, Rio's, Candy Bar, or Sunshine Bar. My experience is that these are more drinking bars and/or Sleazy bars (meaning the girls get wild if properly provoked). These are all perimeter road bars. On Fields there are some bars that meet the Sleazy description, but cannot guarantee the Cheap requirement.
Shit got caught out last night buying a ladies drink and paid 300 peso for a fucking San Miguel Light (I agrued but got no where). Fuck I hate to see what the top shelf prices would B. You always learn sometheing new (or bars to black ban) on your trips. Moral of the story always ask price in the fields area.
In most bars, a San Mig Light is considered a double, the thought being it takes the girl longer to drink. My experience proves that correct. BUT 300 peso is highway robbery. A double on perimeter is 220 for a local drink (SML or double shot of local liquor). Even the show bars on fields, if I remember correct (except for the Doll House Group), charge between 250 and 280 for an SML. Some few perimeter road bars don't charge a double for SML.
Insomia is neither a show bar or in the center of walking street on Fields. Yet, it does charge show bar prices. In my opinion there is nothing special about it at all, except it has a fire pole feature from the second floor to the dance floor. Some love Insomia and Insomia loves some, but it has a very checkered reputation of ripping off customers it either does not know or does not like. It treats customer concerns with primarily a "f..k off" attitude, either on billing or bad bar fines. The mamasan has a reputation of taking on customers like a "she devil", but treats a select few like they are royalty. I've not personally been the subject of bad behaviour, but I watch every invoice they put in my cup, and I've seen them take off after a few customers. Since, I've put this bar on my "miss" list and don't go in there anymore.
A monger got a vicious ass whopping in Doll House over some ladies drinks. Visit Fields Ave bars at your own risk.
http://harrythehorse.com/2010/january.htm
For clarity, this is not Fields avenue problem. It is unique among the hundreds of bars there, that is why it is getting so much press right now in Angeles. This is a Doll House Group problem. Doll House is both a bar and a group of different bars, read Harry the Horse for all the bars that make up the Doll House group, some may be surprised how many there are.
The circumstances seem to surround a practice reported about the Doll House Group of charging a ladies drink price if you bring a woman with you into the bar (wife, girlfriend or BF from another bar). It is reported they even put a sign up in the ladies restroom telling the girl to come back the next day to receive a commission on her drink. It seems the customer that got hurt was objecting to this practice as he was there with his wife/girlfriend. I am not familiar with any bar outside of the Doll House Group of engaging in this practice. Further, most bars, once you BF their girl, no longer charge ladies drink prices for that girl. There are a lot of rumours and speculations on the ethics of the Doll House group, their pricing policies or what appears on the final invoice and their source of money--none of it good. Very few, including the other bar owners seem to defend the group and it is my impression very few of the locals go to their bars (although as I stated in a previous post, I do find Crystal Palace entertaining once in a while).
I went to Ponytails (a new Doll House Group bar) which is located on Perimeter road. They charge the highest prices of any Perimeter road bar, which may be the reason they have frequent specials (which only serve to lower their prices to the same you can get at any time or day in the other Perimeter road bars). Normal ladies drink is 150 p, which is about 40p more than its neighbor bars. But want a real shock, ring the bell without reading the instructions. Its 100p per dancer, uncapped. With well over 50 dancers that would make it the most expensive bell ring on Perimeter. Customer local beer is 85 peso, again Perimeter road normal prices range from 50 to 60 peso for the same beer. BF is either 1300 or 1500, don't remember, but both are well above the other neighbor bars. Guess what?, I don't go to this bar anymore. Its clearly designed to provide inflated prices to the uninformed tourists and their girls were nothing special.
A monger got a vicious ass whopping in Doll House over some ladies drinks. Visit Fields Ave bars at your own risk.
http://harrythehorse.com/2010/january.htm
I can not open the linc. Can someone copy and paste the article.
Thanks
Chocha Monger
01-05-10, 04:14
I can not open the linc. Can someone copy and paste the article.
Thanks
A few days after this incident was reported to me, I received the following message from the victims friend, Peter:
Hi Horse, just thought you would like to know a Swedish friend of mine was attacked in the Dollhouse bar. He took his girlfriend in there for a drink and found the Dollhouse trying to charge him Ladies Drinks prices for his girlfriends drinks...she does not even work there. He refused to pay the ladies Drink price for his girls drink and the mamasan got the Doll House security to beat him up. He is a friendly guy who comes here on holiday every year, no trouble, always polite and generous. He is now in a coma fighting for his life after the beating. The Swedish Embassy is now involved and i think the shit is going to hit the fan...especially if he dies. There are 2 posts running on *******.com and it seems the Dollhouse group will be seeing some back lash from this attack. I’ve known this guy for many years and he is a long time patron of Roadhouse and well liked. I hope you can follow up on this and let everyone know that these big bars can not keep ripping people off with their prices and even worse beating them in to a coma. I enclose a picture of Thomas for your file. I sure hope for the clubs owners sake he lives!!!!!!!!!, Regards, Peter.
(This is one story I hope to be able to track for the end results. Behavior of this type by any Club in town is deplorable. This is what happens when you hire oversized Filipino goons as guards in the Clubs. This is not the first time that the Doll House Club has been involved in incidents involving over aggressive actions with foreigners and also with overpricing activities and other incidents of manipulating receipts. For over a year now I have advised about being very careful when patronizing any Club run by the Doll House Group as one must watch their bills very carefully. The waitresses/cashier all too often overcharge or fail to properly explain their lady drink prices to customers. No doubt the Doll House management will have their version of the incident and I will be seeking that out, but there is absolutely no justification in having a customer of theirs lying in a hospital in a coma as a result of an altercation in their club. Folks, there is nothing that can be done about the standardization of prices on Fields Ave as the Club owners can always justify their cost of goods and other expenses as dictating the prices they charge. Fair enough, but when customers start to feel abused, as well as overcharged, then customers start to look elsewhere for their entertainment. If physical abuse comes into the equation then this black mark affects all bars on Fields regardless of the fact that the majority of the Clubs bend over backwards to take care of their customers. This incident disturbs me, it is serious and the culprits who committed this offense should be investigated and punished, (Roland and Allen) if indeed, this incident went down as reported. Update - (30 Dec 09) - Last night I learned that Tom is out of his coma but is not well. He is suffering from memory loss and the doctors have said, if there are no complications, it will take him 16 weeks to recover. I visited station four and found that two individuals were arrested and taken to the Fiscal. Many feel the charge should be attempted murder but Fiscal Garcia decided to charge them with assault only and they were released on P6,000 bail each. What a weak assed decision and you can bet if it was a foreigner who kicked a Filipino so brutally, the charge would be more severe and the bail, if any given, would be much higher. Allegedly, the Dollhouse management is trying to brush this off as an "accident" saying the guard pushed Thomas and he fell, striking his head on the pavement (Does the picture of Thomas to the right look like an accidental fall?). Supposedly there is a sign in the Dollhouse ladies room encouraging visiting ladies from other bars to ask for a ladies drink and get a commission. Additionally, a source informed me that after talking to one of the Filipino managers of the Dollhouse he was told that it was their policy to charge visiting ladies for ladies drinks. If that, is indeed, their policy then it is bullshit and can lead to many more incidents in a Club known for ripping off foreigners with their billing practices. If I took my wife into the Doll House or any other woman and they charged me for a ladies drink, I absolutely would not pay it! I have heard that the Swedish expats in town are boycotting the Dollhouse and are encouraging Swedish visitors to this town to do the same. My feeling is, as it has been for a number of years, that I do not go to the Doll House or any of the other Clubs under this Group because I do not trust their billing practices. It appears that the owner of this Group is out to buy up as much as he can on Fields Ave and might feel he is so rich and powerful that he can step on anyone he wants. Right now, the following establishments come under the Doll House Group: Doll House, Crystal Palace, Baby Dolls (previously Byrd Cage), Tropics, Atlantis, Pony Tail (Darn I like this one, decent Expat management here), Club Asia and what was the Blue Nile Executive Club. Could the Golden Nile be next and what about the property that used to be the Vian Lodge? That is a lot of entertainment under one persons control and the money supply must be endless. I applaud successful businessmen who come here and do well and provide great entertainment to visitors but I begin to worry when the safety of those living and visiting here is questionable when they enter certain clubs. These internal security men should be trained to subdue a person without using excessive force, something the goons in the Doll House Group have not learned to do. I have heard that further investigations into this attack is on-going and that the CIDG is involved as well. One other thing I would like to see is those ridiculous looking ladies in front of the Doll House and Atlantis moved off the street and closer to the entrance of the Clubs. Their practice of grabbing people and trying to pull them into the Club is not acceptable and can lead to confrontations. I was informed of one incident where a father was walking with his 15 year old son and he was grabbed by one of the Atlantis Club ladies and would not let go, even after the father told her to do so. The father ended up forcing her to let go and then the incident ended up in Station Four where the girl was submitting a complaint. It was settled but again, it shows how easily the practices of these employees can lead to entrapping a foreigner.) A further note on the difficulty in using the legal system to go after these individuals and the Doll House Group. One is a criminal case and the other is Civil. To pursue would take a minimum of P200,000 plus filing fees and it would take at least two years of litigation. Thomas does not have that kind of money and he also has a mother back in Sweden who is not well. Derek and the Dollhouse has both the time and the money to drag out any litigation for years. The decent thing that Derek could do is pick up the tab for Thomas's hospital bill plus damages and go from there. What's the chances of that happening??? His hospital bill as of 30 Dec was P90,000.00
Rio's [...] (meaning the girls get wild if properly provoked).
Man I had a nasty one there last time. Young and fit but slutty as hell up in the room.
ThatGuy865
01-05-10, 06:44
Man I had a nasty one there last time. Young and fit but slutty as hell up in the room.last time I went there (2 yrs ago) one babes blew a guy while he was sitting on the couch and 5 mins later she commenced to kiss another customer when he came in without so much as wiping her mouth. They are down right nasty. That was the last time I went there.
You find better quality on Santos now a days and they have cleaned up alot of the bars/rooms and the babes are looking better. I think the newer upscale attitude of the street (Shano's, the wild Orchid resort, and condos) they are trying to get the girls to look decent. Now if they could only get rid of the lady boys at night.
I quit going to the Doll House last year after a guy I know got seriously scammed there. Not much of a sacrifice, as I never liked the atmosphere in the place and didn't find the girls anything special. Ditto all the other Doll House Group bars. There's just something about them -- they all feel designed for extracting maximum pesos from tourists and newbs. Too bad about the Byrd Cage though, which used to be a pretty good place till they took it over and turned it into Baby Dolls.
There are just way too many good bars in AC to waste your time and money in the tourist traps.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]A few days after this incident was reported to me, I received the following message from the victims friend, Peter:
Thanks for the article. Interesting.
LukeSkyWanker
01-05-10, 19:04
I have been following the Angeles forum for a few years, I have intended to visit several times but at the last minute have always headed to Thailand or Indonesia due to concerns over scams and safety. My conclusions as a watcher are that the prices overall including hotels etc are equal, the women in Thailand are on average prettier but the attitude in Angeles is better. Maybe it would be a good idea if a new thread is added similar to the Thailand forum
"Places to Avoid" the dolls house group establishments should be listed.
May the force be with you.
Pete Benetar
01-05-10, 20:34
Lot of discussion on Hotels. In my many trips I have stayed at Clarkton, ABC, Orchid Inn, American Hotel and Wild Orchid and Pacific Breeze. I have fluctuated between them all in my 20 + trips here.
When I first started to go there I tend to book at ABC Hotel and Wild Orchid. ($80-$120 pending on season) These are more of the expensive Hotels and have all the modern appeal that a Western tourist would want. Both are great location and if you want to spend extra money then I am sure you will be comfortable. Personally I have found less expensive Hotels that provide the same service as these top notch ones for less money per night. Take in account that the girls size your wallet up in the Hotel you are at. This does not mean they will NOT go with you, but they will certainly be more aggressive in "can you give me ___ because my grandma sick" or "brother in Hospital. "
Clarkton Is one that I like but its draw back is it is pretty far off fields. My "ex" is a bartender at Mirrors Bar which is located inside the Hotel. So I tend to stay away from here now. It has cheaper rooms that are pretty basic at (about $40) to newer rooms overlooking the pool ($80- $100) a night. If you like to eat and like buffets then I would say Clarkton is the best Hotel in Angeles for its food. Clarkton main building is old and the rooms tend to be older style and basic put together. But as I said the draw back with Clarkton is its location.
Pacific Breeze is my #1 choice if I want to spend extra money at Hotel. It is great location and located behind Wild Orchid. And foot steps from Fields. Blow Row is just footsteps away for quick relief. Cost here is also comparable to prices at Wild Orchid.
Orchid Inn. Bad experience here. Some mongers love this place. I guess its a matter of opinion. The plus is its Location. It is central and right in middle of the Bar scene. It had major insect problem when I was there. I changed rooms and still had problem. Also plumbing problems in room. I personally had issue with the ants and bugs seem to be everywhere in room. Maybe it was just me because I have heard other mongers say this is there favorite place to stay. Cost is $35- $60.
My Hotel of choice is American Hotel. Yes, we all have heard the ghost stories and some girls will not stay there. Personally I have yet to encounter a lady that will NOT stay there. Reason I like American is as follows. #1 is location. It is in between the bars on Perimeter and Fields. The Fields bars are still within a 10 walk several bars along the way. There is Mirrors Bar and Touch of Class next door to American where I am known well and has been my relax hang out during the day. These 2 bars are only open during the daytime. American Hotel has large rooms and they have a decent pool as well. The food is not that great but overall American Hotel is centrally located and cost around $30- $60 depending on type of room you want.
I have heard other Mongers like Pheonix Hotel as well. Its located between Clarkton and American Hotel. Hope this information helps any new Mongers adventuring to Angeles City.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.Helpful report. I'll be going to A city from Manila for a few days in mid February and am especially interested if there are any decent hotels on or very near to Perimeter road.
Any suggestions appreciated! pb
I have been following the Angeles forum for a few years, I have intended to visit several times but at the last minute have always headed to Thailand or Indonesia due to concerns over scams and safety. My conclusions as a watcher are that the prices overall including hotels etc are equal, the women in Thailand are on average prettier but the attitude in Angeles is better. Maybe it would be a good idea if a new thread is added similar to the Thailand forum
"Places to Avoid" the dolls house group establishments should be listed.
May the force be with you.
The Doll House bar is the only place that I have been overcharged on my bill, in Angeles. In light of the recent assault on an individual there, I will be avoiding this place like the plague. Some of these owners do not seem to give a shit about what kind of experience customers receive in their establishments.
If enough punters take their biz elsewhere, they will get the message.
Member #4698
01-06-10, 02:05
I have been following the Angeles forum for a few years, I have intended to visit several times but at the last minute have always headed to Thailand or Indonesia due to concerns over scams and safety. My conclusions as a watcher are that the prices overall including hotels etc are equal, the women in Thailand are on average prettier but the attitude in Angeles is better. Maybe it would be a good idea if a new thread is added similar to the Thailand forum "Places to Avoid" the dolls house group establishments should be listed.My sentiments exactly, LSW. After years of travel to LOS, Cambodia, Laos, and South America; I finally decide to give the Philippines a try and now I am reading this horrible news. I am sure there are still many good places to go in AC but the vibe seems to be changing.
The Doll House bar is the only place that I have been overcharged on my bill, in Angeles. In light of the recent assault on an individual there, I will be avoiding this place like the plague. Some of these owners do not seem to give a shit about what kind of experience customers receive in their establishments. If enough punters take their biz elsewhere, they will get the message.Based on some very bad reports concerning the Doll House Group, I plan to monitor these bars in the forum very closely! You are so right Frank, we do not have to patronize these bars (or visit AC for that matter).
The following establishments come under the Doll House Group: Doll House, Crystal Palace, Baby Dolls (previously Byrd Cage), Tropics, Atlantis, Pony Tail, Club Asia and what was the Blue Nile Executive Club. A lot of great talent hangs out in these places. Too bad. The owner and managers better get their shit together! There are a lot places to go where we will be welcome with open arms and treated right. I don't want to go anywhere where I got to be looking over my shoulder or counting every drink. I will go where the ladies smile and mean it.
Rob Woodrow
01-06-10, 08:23
Exactly, its not that type of bar, and given your description of what you like, any similar customer would also not stay 10 seconds. If you don't already know it, you might include Dr. Holmes on your list. Its on Perimeter road, half a block up from the ABC Hotel. The bar plays 60's thru 80's Rock and roll, with some upbeat country western thrown in. It has dancers but is often frequented by the drinkers who just want a little eye candy while they pound down their liquor. Its closer to an Irish pub than to a go go bar, but again it does have dancers.
Cheap and Sleazy, not sure any bar owner would enjoy that description of their bar, but try Roadies, Nasty Duck (not to be confused with Dirty Duck on fields), Fire and Ice, Nifty's, Rio's, Candy Bar, or Sunshine Bar. My experience is that these are more drinking bars and/or Sleazy bars (meaning the girls get wild if properly provoked). These are all perimeter road bars. On Fields there are some bars that meet the Sleazy description, but cannot guarantee the Cheap requirement.
Eh, I was mostly being metaphorical. I actually try not to drink too much in AC (although I will have the occasional hard drinking session). I'm frequently seen with a diet Coke or bottled water. The larger point is that I prefer to pull from the bars where the goal is obvious, not from places that are trying to have shows.
I actually don't mind the show bars IF I am just going for the show. I used to take girls to Crystal Palace quite a bit; entertainment for both of us, and at 85 peso local drinks it's really among the best on Fields IF you can avoid the scams. Given recent developments, I might have to change that strategy.
Rob Woodrow
01-06-10, 08:27
I have heard that the Swedish expats in town are boycotting the Dollhouse and are encouraging Swedish visitors to this town to do the same.
They should encourage everyone! I'm not Swedish but I'll pretend to be for this cause.
Billy Baht
01-06-10, 08:27
Angeles City Trip Report-2009
Well this is my fifth trip to Angeles City and I still love the place! I know many guys that don’t care for the place and I say cool, Viva La difference! (or something like that, 555)
I reference Thailand oten for two reasons: first, thats where I live; second forum because some punters are looking for alternatives or to simply ad another port on their mongering journeys. If you have not yet visited, Angels is a great place to hang out, IMHO. For the record, I’m not a bar owner or have any personal interest in promoting the place. In fact, the fewer foreigners here, the better for me.
I visit the Philippines annually, normally for two months at a time. My longest visit here was three months when I also visited Bohol, Cebu and Davao City in Mindinao. On this trip I was going to spend one month in AC then on to Palawan. Well, looks like Palawan will have to wait until next trip, 555!
Since I’m a Certified Cheap Charlie, the economics are favorable here in the PI. My USD$ fetch around 46+ pisos; in Pattaya a meager 33 baht. I reckon that for the same product (Beer, pussy) my money goes 40% farther here in the PI. My favorite brew, San Miguel light is P26 at 7-11 and only P30 at my favorite little restaurant. Lodging is all over the board with more high end hotels opening up recently (who wants to pay first world prices in a third world country? Not Billy Baht!) Currently I’m paying P800/night for a clean, if small, room in the “Perimeter” area of AC. Many bars have happy hours offering local mixed drinks and San Miguel Light for P40 to 60. Ladies drinks run from P110 to 150, although be careful if a girl wants a San Mig Light because they can be as high as P300 at some of the Fields Avenue bars. FYI.
After seven years in Asia, I’ve found that my body performs better on western grub-meat and potatoes. Many folks knock the food here, but I actually like some PI food, namely Pork Adobo, a stew like dish and Pancit Behon, fried noodles with vegetables. In my favorite little german restaurant here, Kanteen 101, I can get one of three daily specials for 185, including a salad. The cook has worked in Germany and even the germans say it’s the real deal.
Well about the reason any of us go abroad –pussy- it’s in abundance here. Filipinas will laugh and giggle about their “Coca Cola” bodies and I admit that I like a girl with a little meat on her bones. However, if petite 90 pound girls are your thing, you will not be disappointed.
The bar fines here usually run P1,200 to 1,500 (Some clubs are instituting “Super Stars for P3,000 plus) and that also includes the girl’s commission. The BF is supposedly for long time but some girls have started doing runners. It has been my experience that if you look them directly in the eyes and tell them that you expect them to stay until the morning, they will honor the agreement. I’ve also found the Filipinas to be very affectionate and genuinely loving in the sack. Yeah, there are hardened mercenary girls here, but many are looking for a bf or to be your wife (Yikes!) For the record, I’ve had some great times with the charming babes of Thailand and Cambodia too. Some things I personally like about the Filipinas: fewer girls sport tramp stamps; they keep their silky jet black hair long and natural and its easier to communicate with them. Heck, they even get most of my jokes (as long as the ladies drinks are forth commming…)
I’ll spare you the details, but yesterday as I walked back from SM Mall, I strolled in to the Gentlemans Club and ordered a brew and checked out the talent. One wide hipped, well nourished gal clocked me for the perv I am and started making obscene gestures with her tounge. I bought her a drink, had a few laughs and was about to kick her to the curb with my standard brush off line “I’m really looking for a girl that licks puke (pussy)” and she replied wide eyed “of course I lick puke; I’ll be right back!” True to her word she brought back her pal, a cute Samar girl and the interview commenced. “You sure you like to lick puke? “OO” (yes!) Will you stay until the morning?” “OO!” “I boom boom both of you, OK?” “OO!”
Shit, I had not treated my self to a birthday present yet, so I paid the bar fine and they went off to change. Gentlemans Club kindly gave me a free beer to enjoy while I waited for my babes.
Back in my room, we all showered, then I nudged the girls together and they went at it with a will. The Samar girl seemed to especially love to lick wile the chubby girl kept me in the game. I’m usually a once in the evening and once in the morning guy but these little vixens took me to a whole new level. Finally the Samar girl conked out but the chubby girl demanded more and more. All I can say is that she really enjoyed her work (grin.) Miss Samar left at 0930 but I could not shake off the other gal until 1230. Free at last, I went to eat, downed three San Mig Lights and slept to 10 am the next day.
I always look in the mirror and see the long nose looking back at me so I know that I’m never going to be considered as a local. And yes, if you have an accident or run afoul of the law, its going to be your ass in the sling, that’s just the way the second and third world operates. But as long as you dress reasonably well, are respectful and obey the laws, you will probably stay out of trouble.
Live and let live; to each his own says Billy Baht. I know many guys detest AC and the Philippines in general but remember this: Thailand receives 14+ million visitors per year and the PI only scores three million. Perhaps familiarity breeds contempt.
The Doll House bar is the only place that I have been overcharged on my bill, in Angeles. In light of the recent assault on an individual there, I will be avoiding this place like the plague. Some of these owners do not seem to give a shit about what kind of experience customers receive in their establishments.
If enough punters take their biz elsewhere, they will get the message.
First on the story: I was not there, but the story being told here smacks (read: reeks to the high heavens) of a two-sided story being told here entirely from one side. Undoubtedly alcohol was heavily involved, and in fact I chatted with a waitress there last night and she said the guy was drunk (and the girl too) and he was pushing people around and being very belligerent. That sounds highly plausible to me (I mean come on: this "friendly innocent victim" thing is a bit absurd, and we're really supposed to believe that the single biggest bar chain in AC is complicit in pretty much the worst possible behavior imaginable to totally innocent customers? They'd be out of business long ago if that were even remotely true).
Does it warrant being beaten into a coma? Of course not!!! Should, in any modicum of justice, the bouncers be arrested and the bar sued? Or course! But back to reality, this is the Phils, one of the most corrupt places in the world, and the reality is it can and DOES happen anywhere, anytime. That is the point - be careful EVERYWHERE you go.
Re bills being padded, that also happens all over the place, every night. Again, be careful.
I'm not advocating DH or the DH group, though personally I did have two great experiences there in the past two nights - in fact it was my favorite bar on my first trip here (not for the quality of lookers, which I would say was pretty poor, but the overall experiences I had with the two girls I partied with there and ended up taking home were A++).
This sport is dangerous in several ways, and AC is not by any means the safest of all places. Some research and basic precautions will go a long way.
Wish everyone the best for a safe and fun time - it is available here in abundance.
-B-
Btw, I did not mean to imply that a boycott of DH group, at least for a time, is uncalled for. In fact it sounds like a good idea to me. It's really the only way these places will learn, and in fact if the biggest one learns a hard lesson perhaps that lesson will spill over to all the bars.
My post before was really meant as an advisory that we are never 100% safe, and to take care and behave in a way that is not likely to get you into trouble. Moreover, I'd like to add that I have seen COUNTLESS assholes in my time in Asia arguing about what is essentially pennies on their bills. Regardless of the principle, which we should all be mature enough not to have to feel the need to stand on, it is simply the SAFE thing to do to not quibble over meaningless money in situations where that money will ensure our safety. Rather, pay the bill, unfair as it may be, and then post here and boycott the place. Don't provoke these people as they have tendencies to take out months of pent up frustrations from a-hole customers, losing face, etc etc etc.
Again, all the best.
-B-
Angeles City Trip Report-2009
Well this is my fifth trip to Angeles City and I still love the place! I know many guys that don’t care for the place and I say cool, Viva La difference! (or something like that, 555)
I reference Thailand oten for two reasons: first, thats where I live; second forum because some punters are looking for alternatives or to simply ad another port on their mongering journeys. If you have not yet visited, Angels is a great place to hang out, IMHO. For the record, I’m not a bar owner or have any personal interest in promoting the place. In fact, the fewer foreigners here, the better for me.
Like Billy Baht, I'm not a bar owner nor do I get any personal gain from promoting the place either. LSW can testify to that, it was him that pointed me to AC, of which if not for our meeting, I would have never known the place existed. Thailand would be a great place for a cheap family holiday, but the best girls are in Phils. They just have that extra x factor I rarely find in Thai girls, don't get me wrong, I like Thai girls, PI girls are just so much better. I have been back to Pattaya but rarely find myself looking up the same girls when I return. I reckon the average PI girl gets more return customers than the average Thai girl, and Thailand gets nearly 5 times as many visitors as PI.
I like Dollhouse and Crystal Palace. I've never had any probs. OK drinks arent the cheapest, but I like the girls and like Atlantis, there is free popcorn.
I don't agree with being of charged LD prices for girls I bring to a bar. I have never had that problem with any other bar, but I have never brought a girl to the Dollhouse as I normally take out from there.
If I was charged the LD for my own girl, I might protest, I would not refuse to pay, if threatened, I would pay up, then report here. I don't think any place can afford the bad publicity. Its not my country, I'm not accompanied by a local who can help and US$6 - US$7 is not enough money to get beaten up over. (If you think that is bad, heard of tea scams in China?) But at the same time I salute the Swede who was willing to stand his ground.
...my 2 cents
Problem is, all of us here can boycott any bar all we want but frankly it's unlikely to make much difference. The DH bars are successful because they know how to appeal to the average, not-so-informed AC tourist. They're big and flashy and have shows, they've got pretty girls out in the street to drag people in, and, at least in the case of DH itself, they're open when other bars aren't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't avoid these bars. Just don't expect the lack of your business to have much impact.
Chocha Monger
01-06-10, 14:21
First on the story: I was not there, but the story being told here smacks (read: reeks to the high heavens) of a two-sided story being told here entirely from one side. Undoubtedly alcohol was heavily involved, and in fact I chatted with a waitress there last night and she said the guy was drunk (and the girl too) and he was pushing people around and being very belligerent. That sounds highly plausible to me (I mean come on: this "friendly innocent victim" thing is a bit absurd, and we're really supposed to believe that the single biggest bar chain in AC is complicit in pretty much the worst possible behavior imaginable to totally innocent customers? They'd be out of business long ago if that were even remotely true).
Does it warrant being beaten into a coma? Of course not!!! Should, in any modicum of justice, the bouncers be arrested and the bar sued? Or course! But back to reality, this is the Phils, one of the most corrupt places in the world, and the reality is it can and DOES happen anywhere, anytime. That is the point - be careful EVERYWHERE you go.
Re bills being padded, that also happens all over the place, every night. Again, be careful.
I'm not advocating DH or the DH group, though personally I did have two great experiences there in the past two nights - in fact it was my favorite bar on my first trip here (not for the quality of lookers, which I would say was pretty poor, but the overall experiences I had with the two girls I partied with there and ended up taking home were A++).
This sport is dangerous in several ways, and AC is not by any means the safest of all places. Some research and basic precautions will go a long way.
Wish everyone the best for a safe and fun time - it is available here in abundance.
-B-
If that old grandpa was clearly drunk and a little out of character then the righteous ass-whopping Doll House laid on him is even more shameful. I mean look at the guy! Would you want someone to beat your grandfather's ass like that just because he had a little too much liquor and more [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) then sense in him at that moment? Doll House Group beat an old guy into a coma. What do you think they going to do to young guys? Old guys acting like colonialists in Asia is nothing new. Doll House Group is in the service and entertainment business they should know how to deal with this without beating their clients to within an inch of death.
If that old grandpa was clearly drunk and a little out of character then the righteous ass-whopping Doll House laid on him is even more shameful. I mean look at the guy! Would you want someone to beat your grandfather's ass like that just because he had a little too much liquor and more [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) then sense in him at that moment? Doll House Group beat an old guy into a coma. What do you think they going to do to young guys? Old guys acting like colonialists in Asia is nothing new. Doll House Group is in the service and entertainment business they should know how to deal with this without beating their clients to within an inch of death.
Again, as I said, I have no idea what really happened - and neither do you - but my guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle of both side's likely exaggerated and colored stories (again, since you didn't get it this first time, this is NOT to say that he deserved to be beaten, least of all that badly).
Anyway, the point of my post (which I also said explicitly the first time) was to be careful EVERYWHERE you go, not just a particular place, since scams and violence can happen anywhere. Thinking that that you can avoid it simply by avoiding a bar (or bar group) is dangerously naive.
Problem is, all of us here can boycott any bar all we want but frankly it's unlikely to make much difference. The DH bars are successful because they know how to appeal to the average, not-so-informed AC tourist. They're big and flashy and have shows, they've got pretty girls out in the street to drag people in, and, at least in the case of DH itself, they're open when other bars aren't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't avoid these bars. Just don't expect the lack of your business to have much impact.
You are probably right, unfortunately. But you never know - word gets around and managers usually care about profit more than anything, so I wouldn't be surprised if they noticed it even if it it turned out to be only a 5% drop in their business.
ThatGuy865
01-07-10, 01:35
You are probably right, unfortunately. But you never know. Word gets around and managers usually care about profit more than anything, so I wouldn't be surprised if they noticed it even if it it turned out to be only a 5% drop in their business.Man these big bars are not truely looking to make a profit in the first place. These are obvious fronts for money laudering schemes. There is no way Alantis with 1000 girls nightly a good percentage getting top $ to dance. Can turn a profit with the small numbers of customers it gets.
Yes some weekends they get a good crowd but the place is open 7 days a week, and practically empty during the week just about every week. The electricity bill alone must be outrageous. The cost of air conditioning to keep that place cool, the lights. And Electricity is one of the highest utility cost in the PI.
Its not like they get a lot of guys barfining the girls either since they have the highest cost. Sure occasionally, but not enough to cover the expense of the utilities, and the staff.
There is definitely money flowing thru these clubs and the head count is insignificant to these guys. If customers were there sole income they would definitly do more to ensure that the street was safe, whether it took bribes or whatever, the group owns the majority of the big bars on the strip. They would pay security to keep the beggars away, the scam artist, to ensure customers had the best time, with fewer problems. After all they are competing again Thailand for customers. JMHO
Billy Baht
01-07-10, 03:01
Problem is, all of us here can boycott any bar all we want but frankly it's unlikely to make much difference. The DH bars are successful because they know how to appeal to the average, not-so-informed AC tourist. They're big and flashy and have shows, they've got pretty girls out in the street to drag people in, and, at least in the case of DH itself, they're open when other bars aren't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't avoid these bars. Just don't expect the lack of your business to have much impact.
On New Years Eve I sat in a bar opposite Dollhouse (the one with some glass missing so you can get the "street" experience) and I noticed tons of people going in. Like Betong has observed, DH Group knows how to pull the punters in and I think that their business model is based on "there is always another customer comming in, so who cares if a few don't like us."
I don't see the DH Group changing their behavior any time soon.
Thanks in part to this board, I read about padded bills and other problems in DH, so I don't go there. I have gone to Atlantis and Pony Tails (yeah, I also love a little popcorn with my puke, he he) with out knowing that they were part of the DH Group. In the future, I'll give them a miss as well.
I wasn't present when the beating incident occured but I am appaled by thugish behavior and it was/is totaly uncalled for. Even if the Sweed was onknoxious (sp?) he could have been restrained and escorted from the premises.
Anyway, thats Billy Bahts two centavos :)
Rubberyman
01-07-10, 03:42
Again, as I said, I have no idea what really happened - and neither do you - but my guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle of both side's likely exaggerated and colored stories (again, since you didn't get it this first time, this is NOT to say that he deserved to be beaten, least of all that badly).
Anyway, the point of my post (which I also said explicitly the first time) was to be careful EVERYWHERE you go, not just a particular place, since scams and violence can happen anywhere. Thinking that that you can avoid it simply by avoiding a bar (or bar group) is dangerously naive.
Bonzo, have you seen the pictures of the guy after the beating? Check out Harry the Horse's newsletter. The management story was that he fell down. Well, if you believe that the injuries received are consistent in any way with management's story, then do I have an insurance policy, used car, a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.
I agree with you when you say one should be careful everywhere - that is sound advice.
You also are right in saying that thinking one can avoid it by avoiding a bar or bar group is also correct.
However, while you cannot avoid it by avoiding bars with bad reputations, you can certainly minimise your risk by avoiding them - bars with bad reputations and bars with good reputations normally have those reputations for a reason.
You may not make the badly run bars change their behaviour, but you CAN make the other better run bars more successful by patronising them and thus rewarding good safe environments.
Mosquito2002
01-07-10, 03:46
Why not boycott these bars???
I have no stake in this (don't plan a trip to AC anytime soon), I'm only interested in the power of the board!!!
Say, we continue (weekly for 4 months) to push for members/visitors to the board to boycott all DH group bars...................I'd be interested to see the effects on their quarterly profit margin. Also, board members in AC info other punters-visitors of this experiment (not putting yourself in any danger, of course.....just small talk and recommendations).
Maybe we do have the power to change the down trend (treatment and prices) which would benefit everyone who visits AC in the future.
I have been following the Angeles forum for a few years, I have intended to visit several times but at the last minute have always headed to Thailand or Indonesia due to concerns over scams and safety. My conclusions as a watcher are that the prices overall including hotels etc are equal, the women in Thailand are on average prettier but the attitude in Angeles is better. Maybe it would be a good idea if a new thread is added similar to the Thailand forum
"Places to Avoid" the dolls house group establishments should be listed.
May the force be with you.
Any problem experienced by foreigners is reported almost immediately, either by the numerous expats here through the forums, or by the more than several internet newsletters (such as Harry the Horse) published here. Thus the bars, police and locals are always under the microscope for their behaviour. Does it make a difference? I can't answer that. Do other location forums have an equal reporting system? There is a huge expat community living in Angeles City, if it were as much of a Wild West as one might imply by the reports, I doubt it would have such an active and vibrant expat community. That community seems to be growing by the month in part due to the current permanent visa problems in Thailand.
The vast majority of visitors and locals to Angeles have no problems. Ok, maybe if you are long-term resident or the luck of the draw has had you pick pocketed, or overcharged for a trike, maybe even an occassional bill padding (I've never heard of one that amounted to more than a couple of dollars U.S., at worst). I remember years ago in London, in a strip joint, a group of customer/tourists being ripped off for hundreds of pounds, after only 10 minutes, and the big ugly guys coming out of the back room to ensure payment.
Whether DHG was in the right (I can't imagine that) or in the wrong, the boycott is on--but for many it has been avoided anyway due to its pricing policies. But I am sure DHG has not noticed as the tourist traffic is so low on Fields avenue this year that be it a boycott or no visitors, the effect is the same. For clarity, though, Blue Nile Executive Club as mentioned in a previous post, is not part of the Blue Nile group which operates Blue Nile (the executive club is on the second floor of the Blue Nile Bar). Blue Nile has no relationship to the incident at the DHG.
My main point is that if one is avoiding Angeles City or the Philippines due to what they read on the forums, you are missing one of the top adult tourist destinations. I've been coming here for years and now live here and I have had ZERO incidents of personal safety, organized scam or even street crime. Like many I read the forums and generally followed the advice often given--don't interact or go with anyone you meet on the street (for me this includes the beggars, flower girls and street vendors), always have a smile and be courteous, avoid dark alleys and side streets, go to the bars most recommended on the forum, don't behave in an unsafe fashion (drunk in public, flashing large amounts of money, etc). Finally, for years I travelled to Thailand until I discovered Angeles, I've not been back to Thailand since. Just my preference, I found everything I needed here.
Bonzo, have you seen the pictures of the guy after the beating? Check out Harry the Horse's newsletter. The management story was that he fell down. Well, if you believe that the injuries received are consistent in any way with management's story, then do I have an insurance policy, used car, a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.
I agree with you when you say one should be careful everywhere - that is sound advice.
You also are right in saying that thinking one can avoid it by avoiding a bar or bar group is also correct.
However, while you cannot avoid it by avoiding bars with bad reputations, you can certainly minimise your risk by avoiding them - bars with bad reputations and bars with good reputations normally have those reputations for a reason.
You may not make the badly run bars change their behaviour, but you CAN make the other better run bars more successful by patronising them and thus rewarding good safe environments.
Sometimes you have to say the same thing here many times before people understand.
Look, OF COURSE no one deserves to be beaten like that - that goes without saying, but I have said it three times now. So the whole "this nice sweet innocent guy who did absolutely nothing wrong" thing was an unnecessary aspect of the story and makes it LESS credible and exactly the type of propaganda that makes bad situations worse. Btw, I'm not even saying that it's not possible that innocent people can be victims - I just doubt it in this case, as the entire article smacks of bias.
Anyhow, the reality is the guy was beaten nearly to death - the reasons for that don't matter; they are inexcusable. But, as players in a sometimes dangerous game, we can all learn from this story - and the lesson is a bigger one than just avoiding DH or it's group of bars.
The unfortunate REALITY of life in this environment is that if you get drunk and argue and/or shove people around and/or try to run out on a tab, you might get beaten. Is that right? Hell no. But it's the reality that we must be aware of here.
-B-
Mosquito2002
01-07-10, 05:04
I feel sorry for the guy, and I'm sure there's an interesting story of what actually happened........but I don't care either way!!!
I'm only interested in trying out this experiment!!!
Imagine, if it really does effect a bars bottomline and they make changes????
Imagine, if the forum "is that powerful"
Next step would be working on the bars in Thailand!!!!!
Key Master
01-07-10, 10:17
Bonzo, have you seen the pictures of the guy after the beating? Check out Harry the Horse's newsletter. The management story was that he fell down. Well, if you believe that the injuries received are consistent in any way with management's story, then do I have an insurance policy, used car, a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.
Sorry, I've posted on another board the same thing. There's such a thing called "Raccoon Eyes". It'll look like you have like two black eyes even though you have not been punched in the eyes or hit there. It is a sign of head trauma. Do a search on "raccoon eyes". I wasn't there and can't say if he was beaten or not, but based on my understanding of raccoon eyes, it's possible he hit his head to the ground where he may have slipped or fell back or been pushed back by someone or whatever. His face on the picture doesn't show any other trauma, so it makes me think it's definitely possible that his head hit the ground or something but how or why is the question. There had to be some force there though. I think if they beat his head in there would be more trauma to the face.
I'm not a fan of DH Group by the way, but I'm not going to say that they did this or that without any kind of good resources. Something happened there for sure.
Chocha Monger
01-07-10, 11:46
Sorry, I've posted on another board the same thing. There's such a thing called "Raccoon Eyes". It'll look like you have like two black eyes even though you have not been punched in the eyes or hit there. It is a sign of head trauma. Do a search on "raccoon eyes". I wasn't there and can't say if he was beaten or not, but based on my understanding of raccoon eyes, it's possible he hit his head to the ground where he may have slipped or fell back or been pushed back by someone or whatever. His face on the picture doesn't show any other trauma, so it makes me think it's definitely possible that his head hit the ground or something but how or why is the question. There had to be some force there though. I think if they beat his head in there would be more trauma to the face.
I'm not a fan of DH Group by the way, but I'm not going to say that they did this or that without any kind of good resources. Something happened there for sure.
If you look at his nose you will see that it suffered some trauma. If he fell on his nose the rest of his face would likely have suffered abrasions. Since there are no apparent abrasions in this area a punch to the nose is more likely the cause of the nose trauma. If they took a 2X4 to his cranium his hair could be covering the point(s) of impact.
His "Raccoon Eyes" could be due to a steel toe boot to the head. "Raccoon Eyes" are usually caused by basilar skull fracture which only occurs in 4% of head injury cases. The most common causes of basilar skull fracture are automobile accidents and non accidental injury (blows to the head). This injury is not consistent with a fall on a level surface. Though I'm sure Doll House Group and their attorneys will argue otherwise.
Furthermore, the PNP would not have charged the bouncers without probable cause. They were the ones on the scene and investigating the incident. I'm sure the Pinoys got the benefit of the doubt. If this monger's ass wasn't viciously whopped they would not have arrested them.
There is definitely money flowing thru these clubs and the head count is insignificant to these guys.Probably not completely insignificant. But yeah, there's not much question that some AC bars have, shall we say, other sources of income. This isn't the place to go into it, but ask any long-term expat. They'll tell you exactly the kind of people you're dealing with in these places.
I've got a few local friends who do like the big show bars and never have a problem. They just make sure they know the price of everything before they order it, and they pay as they go rather than running a tab. But who needs that, with so many good, friendly, honest bars in town.
Jackson: as a public service I request you allow an exception to your rule and allow this link to an external site including the picture of the victim:
The facts are becoming more clear about the incident where a Swede was nearly beaten to death by Dollhouse security on December 22 when he refused to pay a ladies drink price for a drink consumed by a girl he brought there from another bar. The company version of events is that the man slipped and bumped his head. I refrained from forming an opinion on who was telling the truth as I did not feel I had sufficient evidence to pass judgment. Until now that is.
After now having seen the pictures of the victim's eyes swelled shut and completely Black, which is not consistent with a slip and fall, and after reading more facts about both that particular incident and others involving DH Group security (the article from the Harrythehorse website is copied below), I find DH's story at odds with the evidence and will no longer patronize any DH group bars unless/until additional evidence surfaces which would convince me that the incident did not involve a beating by DH security.
Be aware that there are at least 6, the two most famous being Dollhouse itself and Atlantis. These are the two most impressive facilities with the largest lineups, best shows (bodypainting, Brazilian thing etc), and most photofriendly policies which are all big pluses. I have never had a bill padded at any of their bars personally, though I always try and pay as I go at all bars to avoid the potential for mischief. I have only paid one BF at Atlantis in all my years as I find them impersonal and the girls less than friendly despite the great shows and having many lookers in the lineup. Others claim to get good results from Atlantis and DH.
I certainly invite any members affiliated with DH group to offer any evidence they have which they claim refute the accusation of bill padding and brutality. I also would be interested if they admit the allegation that there is a sign in the lady's room offering a commission to girls from other bars who allow their companions to be charged ladies drink prices (typically 250Pesos) at DH group bars.
Here is the article from this week's newsletter of harrythehorse- to see the pictures go to www.Harrythehorse.com then January 2010 archive.
An incident in front of the Doll House resulted in a Swedish National (Thomas Bergelin), being knocked to the ground, kicked in the head repeatedly, knocked unconscious and is now lying in the Angeles Medical Center in a coma like state. The doctors are not sure how much of a recovery he will make. Allegedly, the incident took place around 0200 hrs, 22 Dec and involved a Mamasan and a member of the internal security force employed by the Doll House. A source informed me that the foreigner was accused of leaving the premises without paying his bill but in truth, the girl he was with was inside paying the bill at the time he was attacked. Supposedly the Mamasan slapped the foreigner and when he went to grab the Mamasan in defence, the guard grabbed him and knocked him down. Then, allegedly, the Mamasan, the guard and the door boy continually kicked the man in the head while he was down on the ground. This resulted in brain damage, bleeding from the ear, internal bleeding from both sides of the brain and both eyes blackened. The Doll House management claims that it was an "accident". An interview with the victim was impossible as he was not conscious when I received this information.
A few days after this incident was reported to me, I received the following message from the victims friend, Peter:
Hi Horse, just thought you would like to know a Swedish friend of mine was attacked in the Dollhouse bar. He took his girlfriend in there for a drink and found the Dollhouse trying to charge him Ladies Drinks prices for his girlfriends drinks. She does not even work there. He refused to pay the ladies Drink price for his girls drink and the mamasan got the Doll House security to beat him up. He is a friendly guy who comes here on holiday every year, no trouble, always polite and generous. He is now in a coma fighting for his life after the beating. The Swedish Embassy is now involved and I think the shit is going to hit the fan. Especially if he dies. There are 2 posts running on *******.comand it seems the Dollhouse group will be seeing some back lash from this attack. I've known this guy for many years and he is a long time patron of Roadhouse and well liked. I hope you can follow up on this and let everyone know that these big bars can not keep ripping people off with their prices and even worse beating them in to a coma. I enclose a picture of Thomas for your file. I sure hope for the clubs owners sake he lives!, Regards, Peter.
(This is one story I hope to be able to track for the end results. Behavior of this type by any Club in town is deplorable. This is what happens when you hire oversized Filipino goons as guards in the Clubs. This is not the first time that the Doll House Club has been involved in incidents involving over aggressive actions with foreigners and also with overpricing activities and other incidents of manipulating receipts. For over a year now I have advised about being very careful when patronizing any Club run by the Doll House Group as one must watch their bills very carefully. The waitresses/cashier all too often overcharge or fail to properly explain their lady drink prices to customers. No doubt the Doll House management will have their version of the incident and I will be seeking that out, but there is absolutely no justification in having a customer of theirs lying in a hospital in a coma as a result of an altercation in their club. Folks, there is nothing that can be done about the standardization of prices on Fields Ave as the Club owners can always justify their cost of goods and other expenses as dictating the prices they charge. Fair enough, but when customers start to feel abused, as well as overcharged, then customers start to look elsewhere for their entertainment. If physical abuse comes into the equation then this black mark affects all bars on Fields regardless of the fact that the majority of the Clubs bend over backwards to take care of their customers. This incident disturbs me, it is serious and the culprits who committed this offense should be investigated and punished, (Roland and Allen) if indeed, this incident went down as reported. Update. (30 Dec 09). Last night I learned that Tom is out of his coma but is not well. He is suffering from memory loss and the doctors have said, if there are no complications, it will take him 16 weeks to recover. I visited station four and found that two individuals were arrested and taken to the Fiscal. Many feel the charge should be attempted murder but Fiscal Garcia decided to charge them with assault only and they were released on P6, 000 bail each. What a weak assed decision and you can bet if it was a foreigner who kicked a Filipino so brutally, the charge would be more severe and the bail, if any given, would be much higher. Allegedly, the Dollhouse management is trying to brush this off as an "accident" saying the guard pushed Thomas and he fell, striking his head on the pavement (Does the picture of Thomas to the right look like an accidental fall?). Supposedly there is a sign in the Dollhouse ladies room encouraging visiting ladies from other bars to ask for a ladies drink and get a commission. Additionally, a source informed me that after talking to one of the Filipino managers of the Dollhouse he was told that it was their policy to charge visiting ladies for ladies drinks. If that, is indeed, their policy then it is bullshit and can lead to many more incidents in a Club known for ripping off foreigners with their billing practices. If I took my wife into the Doll House or any other woman and they charged me for a ladies drink, I absolutely would not pay it! I have heard that the Swedish expats in town are boycotting the Dollhouse and are encouraging Swedish visitors to this town to do the same. My feeling is, as it has been for a number of years, that I do not go to the Doll House or any of the other Clubs under this Group because I do not trust their billing practices. It appears that the owner of this Group is out to buy up as much as he can on Fields Ave and might feel he is so rich and powerful that he can step on anyone he wants. Right now, the following establishments come under the Doll House Group: Doll House, Crystal Palace, Baby Dolls (previously Byrd Cage), Tropics, Atlantis, Pony Tail (Darn I like this one, decent Expat management here), Club Asia and what was the Blue Nile Executive Club. Could the Golden Nile be next and what about the property that used to be the Vian Lodge? That is a lot of entertainment under one persons control and the money supply must be endless. I applaud successful businessmen who come here and do well and provide great entertainment to visitors but I begin to worry when the safety of those living and visiting here is questionable when they enter certain clubs. These internal security men should be trained to subdue a person without using excessive force, something the goons in the Doll House Group have not learned to do. I have heard that further investigations into this attack is on-going and that the CIDG is involved as well. One other thing I would like to see is those ridiculous looking ladies in front of the Doll House and Atlantis moved off the street and closer to the entrance of the Clubs. Their practice of grabbing people and trying to pull them into the Club is not acceptable and can lead to confrontations. I was informed of one incident where a father was walking with his 15 year old son and he was grabbed by one of the Atlantis Club ladies and would not let go, even after the father told her to do so. The father ended up forcing her to let go and then the incident ended up in Station Four where the girl was submitting a complaint. It was settled but again, it shows how easily the practices of these employees can lead to entrapping a foreigner.) A further note on the difficulty in using the legal system to go after these individuals and the Doll House Group. One is a criminal case and the other is Civil. To pursue would take a minimum of P200, 000 plus filing fees and it would take at least two years of litigation. Thomas does not have that kind of money and he also has a mother back in Sweden who is not well. Derek and the Dollhouse has both the time and the money to drag out any litigation for years. The decent thing that Derek could do is pick up the tab for Thomas's hospital bill plus damages and go from there. What's the chances of that happening? His hospital bill as of 30 Dec was P90,000.00
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Pete Benetar
01-07-10, 20:35
Sorry, I've posted on another board the same thing. There's such a thing called "Raccoon Eyes". It'll look like you have like two black eyes even though you have not been punched in the eyes or hit there. It is a sign of head trauma. Do a search on "raccoon eyes". I wasn't there and can't say if he was beaten or not, but based on my understanding of raccoon eyes, it's possible he hit his head to the ground where he may have slipped or fell back or been pushed back by someone or whatever. His face on the picture doesn't show any other trauma, so it makes me think it's definitely possible that his head hit the ground or something but how or why is the question. There had to be some force there though. I think if they beat his head in there would be more trauma to the face.
Racoon eyes and basilar skull fracture may certainly result from malicious trauma but as with any medical presentation the history is always the most important and it seems clear the story was he got a whipping.
Stay lucid and diplomatic and these problems can probably be entirely avoided. FWIW, I've only been to the PI twice but I've met hundreds of filipinas by now and have yet to meet a hostile or overtly aggressive one, unlike many areas in USA urbana.
ThatGuy865
01-08-10, 04:55
I've only been to the PI twice but I've met hundreds of filipinas by now and have yet to meet a hostile or overtly aggressive one, unlike many areas in USA urbana.Like you said, you've only been there twice. Maybe after you've been there quite a few times you think differently. I have seen Filipino's open a "can of whip ass" on tourist. And I'm not talking one on one. They are notorious for ganging up on foreigner. Just get in a public dispute with a Filipino and and be dumb enough to fight in public. They will automatically jump in on the side of another Filipino and not even care what the issue is about, and you will get a beat down.
Key Master
01-08-10, 06:33
If you look at his nose you will see that it suffered some trauma. If he fell on his nose the rest of his face would likely have suffered abrasions. Since there are no apparent abrasions in this area a punch to the nose is more likely the cause of the nose trauma. If they took a 2X4 to his cranium his hair could be covering the point(s) of impact.
His "Raccoon Eyes" could be due to a steel toe boot to the head. "Raccoon Eyes" are usually caused by basilar skull fracture which only occurs in 4% of head injury cases. The most common causes of basilar skull fracture are automobile accidents and non accidental injury (blows to the head). This injury is not consistent with a fall on a level surface. Though I'm sure Doll House Group and their attorneys will argue otherwise.
Furthermore, the PNP would not have charged the bouncers without probable cause. They were the ones on the scene and investigating the incident. I'm sure the Pinoys got the benefit of the doubt. If this monger's ass wasn't viciously whopped they would not have arrested them.
Everything is speculative. No one on this board or the others seem to have anyone who was out front. It sounds like there were just mainly locals outside and they aren't talking. In regards to not being consistent with a fall on a level surface and that the bouncers were charged. Not saying that there was anything physical when I suggested anything earlier in trying to point out other possible scenarios. I believe there was an incident there, but I'm not into truly convinced that it was an absolute beatdown. There could have been some shoving or wrestling that led to him falling and a knock on the head onto something really hard that was not level but had significant force possibly from an altercation and with possibly an inability of a drunk man being able to ease a fall or maintain balance.
The security guards may have been charged with too much force or something leading to the injury and not an assault. I don't know. Just not into totally making a judgement without much information which I think most people on these boards have done due to DH resentment, which I myself have. I have shown that repeatedly by giving them oh so little business over the years and pretty much walk by their bars a lot of times without even looking in.
I would hope that DH takes care of this man's medical bills and whatever else is needed to get him back on his feet even if he may have had some of the blame which I know nothing of except he was supposedly drunk. Either way not jumping on the bandwagon like the majority. Too much speculation and hate and no eye witness accounts. I have seen too many drunk guys I wish got a wake-up call but not to this extent even if it was an accident.
Gonzofiend
01-08-10, 07:03
My main point is that if one is avoiding Angeles City or the Philippines due to what they read on the forums, you are missing one of the top adult tourist destinations. I've been coming here for years and now live here and I have had ZERO incidents of personal safety, organized scam or even street crime. Like many I read the forums and generally followed the advice often given-don't interact or go with anyone you meet on the street (for me this includes the beggars, flower girls and street vendors), always have a smile and be courteous, avoid dark alleys and side streets, go to the bars most recommended on the forum, don't behave in an unsafe fashion (drunk in public, flashing large amounts of money, etc). Finally, for years I travelled to Thailand until I discovered Angeles, I've not been back to Thailand since. Just my preference, I found everything I needed here.I took my first trip to AC in late August of last year and I found myself feeling quite safe. (Of course, studying here helped a lot in avoiding bad situations.) Between airfare, hotel and spending money I spent around 2, 200 US dollars and maybe lost 20 dollars at most getting cheated. I even rode a Jeepney at night with a girl and was fine. (Keep your wallet in your front pocket, much harder for someone to pick.) AC is quite safe if you use your head. Remember, you will always be outnumbered in a situation like that and right or wrong just pay. It sucks but I would rather be out five or ten American dollars that be put into a coma. I'm not blaming the victim, it's just reality.
Pony Tails charged me 300 pesos for a SM Light for a Cherry Girl but they told me ahead of time that is what it would cost. I went to Dollhouse and Pony Tails with my girl and as far as I remember I was not charged LD prices. When I took my Treasure Island girl back to TI they would charge me LD prices for her, which sucked. I paid too much for for one trike ride, but it's a buck and not a big deal.
(By the way, Pony Tails had just opened and their lineup was fairly brutal as far as looks go, but it was a weekend night and the place was packed so a lot of the hotties were with guys already. A lot of the wait staff was quite cute though.)
Personally, when I go back I probably won't even bother with Dollhouse or Crystal Palace, except for maybe their photo shows. I'll be focusing more on the Perimeter and making sure I'm not stupid enough to spend a whole week with the same girl again, although she was cool.
Gonzofiend
Rob Woodrow
01-08-10, 08:06
Either way not jumping on the bandwagon like the majority.
Thing is, it's pretty much impossible to NOT choose sides here. If a person knows about this incident and still chooses to visit the DHG, he is by default taking DHG's side. And if he chooses not to visit, he's taking the Swedish guy's side.
As for me, the incident was severe enough that I can't in good conscience go there until the thing is cleared up. If DHG's version of events turns out to be accurate, I can always make up for the money I didn't spend there (which, to be honest, isn't all that much anyway). But if the Swedish guy's version turns out to be more accurate, then I couldn't unspend the money I'd already spent.
Lodging is all over the board with more high end hotels opening up recently (who wants to pay first world prices in a third world country? Not Billy Baht!)
BB, for a high end hotel in London or Paris you pay easily 300-400 or more Euros a night. Far away from the mere 100 USD to be paid in ABC or LGH.
But not to be unfair, IMHO ABC and LGH aren't bad but not really 5*hotels.
Just my 2 Sen..
HotShaneHot
01-08-10, 14:02
A few days after this incident was reported to me, I received the following message from the victims friend, Peter:
Hi Horse, just thought you would like to know a Swedish friend of mine was attacked in the Dollhouse bar. He took his girlfriend in there for a drink and found the Dollhouse trying to charge him Ladies Drinks prices for his girlfriends drinks...she does not even work there. He refused to pay the ladies Drink price for his girls drink and the mamasan got the Doll House security to beat him up. He is a friendly guy who comes here on holiday every year, no trouble, always polite and generous. He is now in a coma fighting for his life after the beating. The Swedish Embassy is now involved and i think the shit is going to hit the fan...especially if he dies. There are 2 posts running on *******.com and it seems the Dollhouse group will be seeing some back lash from this attack. I’ve known this guy for many years and he is a long time patron of Roadhouse and well liked. I hope you can follow up on this and let everyone know that these big bars can not keep ripping people off with their prices and even worse beating them in to a coma. I enclose a picture of Thomas for your file. I sure hope for the clubs owners sake he lives!!!!!!!!!, Regards, Peter.
(This is one story I hope to be able to track for the end results. Behavior of this type by any Club in town is deplorable. This is what happens when you hire oversized Filipino goons as guards in the Clubs. This is not the first time that the Doll House Club has been involved in incidents involving over aggressive actions with foreigners and also with overpricing activities and other incidents of manipulating receipts. For over a year now I have advised about being very careful when patronizing any Club run by the Doll House Group as one must watch their bills very carefully. The waitresses/cashier all too often overcharge or fail to properly explain their lady drink prices to customers. No doubt the Doll House management will have their version of the incident and I will be seeking that out, but there is absolutely no justification in having a customer of theirs lying in a hospital in a coma as a result of an altercation in their club. Folks, there is nothing that can be done about the standardization of prices on Fields Ave as the Club owners can always justify their cost of goods and other expenses as dictating the prices they charge. Fair enough, but when customers start to feel abused, as well as overcharged, then customers start to look elsewhere for their entertainment. If physical abuse comes into the equation then this black mark affects all bars on Fields regardless of the fact that the majority of the Clubs bend over backwards to take care of their customers. This incident disturbs me, it is serious and the culprits who committed this offense should be investigated and punished, (Roland and Allen) if indeed, this incident went down as reported. Update - (30 Dec 09) - Last night I learned that Tom is out of his coma but is not well. He is suffering from memory loss and the doctors have said, if there are no complications, it will take him 16 weeks to recover. I visited station four and found that two individuals were arrested and taken to the Fiscal. Many feel the charge should be attempted murder but Fiscal Garcia decided to charge them with assault only and they were released on P6,000 bail each. What a weak assed decision and you can bet if it was a foreigner who kicked a Filipino so brutally, the charge would be more severe and the bail, if any given, would be much higher. Allegedly, the Dollhouse management is trying to brush this off as an "accident" saying the guard pushed Thomas and he fell, striking his head on the pavement (Does the picture of Thomas to the right look like an accidental fall?). Supposedly there is a sign in the Dollhouse ladies room encouraging visiting ladies from other bars to ask for a ladies drink and get a commission. Additionally, a source informed me that after talking to one of the Filipino managers of the Dollhouse he was told that it was their policy to charge visiting ladies for ladies drinks. If that, is indeed, their policy then it is bullshit and can lead to many more incidents in a Club known for ripping off foreigners with their billing practices. If I took my wife into the Doll House or any other woman and they charged me for a ladies drink, I absolutely would not pay it! I have heard that the Swedish expats in town are boycotting the Dollhouse and are encouraging Swedish visitors to this town to do the same. My feeling is, as it has been for a number of years, that I do not go to the Doll House or any of the other Clubs under this Group because I do not trust their billing practices. It appears that the owner of this Group is out to buy up as much as he can on Fields Ave and might feel he is so rich and powerful that he can step on anyone he wants. Right now, the following establishments come under the Doll House Group: Doll House, Crystal Palace, Baby Dolls (previously Byrd Cage), Tropics, Atlantis, Pony Tail (Darn I like this one, decent Expat management here), Club Asia and what was the Blue Nile Executive Club. Could the Golden Nile be next and what about the property that used to be the Vian Lodge? That is a lot of entertainment under one persons control and the money supply must be endless. I applaud successful businessmen who come here and do well and provide great entertainment to visitors but I begin to worry when the safety of those living and visiting here is questionable when they enter certain clubs. These internal security men should be trained to subdue a person without using excessive force, something the goons in the Doll House Group have not learned to do. I have heard that further investigations into this attack is on-going and that the CIDG is involved as well. One other thing I would like to see is those ridiculous looking ladies in front of the Doll House and Atlantis moved off the street and closer to the entrance of the Clubs. Their practice of grabbing people and trying to pull them into the Club is not acceptable and can lead to confrontations. I was informed of one incident where a father was walking with his 15 year old son and he was grabbed by one of the Atlantis Club ladies and would not let go, even after the father told her to do so. The father ended up forcing her to let go and then the incident ended up in Station Four where the girl was submitting a complaint. It was settled but again, it shows how easily the practices of these employees can lead to entrapping a foreigner.) A further note on the difficulty in using the legal system to go after these individuals and the Doll House Group. One is a criminal case and the other is Civil. To pursue would take a minimum of P200,000 plus filing fees and it would take at least two years of litigation. Thomas does not have that kind of money and he also has a mother back in Sweden who is not well. Derek and the Dollhouse has both the time and the money to drag out any litigation for years. The decent thing that Derek could do is pick up the tab for Thomas's hospital bill plus damages and go from there. What's the chances of that happening??? His hospital bill as of 30 Dec was P90,000.00We all should never go to this place.
And tell all not to go ther I know what it is like I did get the same from Thailand in soi cow boy I not pay for lady drink that lady never come to sit with me as I did report in Bangkok report.
It hapen to me I get beaten up so bad.
We should stik together like can we all put $ 1. 00 in the pot to pay court cost to take them and stop them from doing this aging?
I would like to be the frist to satart it?
I am so not happy to read about thist as I have been there.
Please get back?
What can we do.
Jackson: as a public service I request you allow an exception to your rule and allow this link to an external site including the picture of the victim:
The facts are becoming more clear about the incident where a Swede was nearly beaten to death by Dollhouse security.....
In mongering we risk disease, theft, and violence on a nightly basis. We have had multiple reports of muggings around LA Café. Reports of theft are rampant all across the ISG matrix and last but not least one board member was brutally beaten in Angeles a couple of months ago.
While I don’t condone what happened to this guy when we go into bars they are not Wal-Mart. When there is a problem customer service workers wearing polyester are not going to appear and smooth things out. These bars are criminal enterprises and around most criminal enterprise when there is a dispute more than likely there will be violence.
I have said it time and time again when you dance with the devil you better be prepared to dance around the flames.
Key Master
01-08-10, 14:52
Thing is, it's pretty much impossible to NOT choose sides here. If a person knows about this incident and still chooses to visit the DHG, he is by default taking DHG's side. And if he chooses not to visit, he's taking the Swedish guy's side.
As for me, the incident was severe enough that I can't in good conscience go there until the thing is cleared up. If DHG's version of events turns out to be accurate, I can always make up for the money I didn't spend there (which, to be honest, isn't all that much anyway). But if the Swedish guy's version turns out to be more accurate, then I couldn't unspend the money I'd already spent.
I am not sure we'll ever know the whole deal. Not sure if the Swedish man will remember firstly because of the head injury he has and second, there is a lot of talk of how he was pretty drunk. I've read not sure where that a DH representative said the man fell back and hit his head as security denied him re-entry into dollhouse. Of course we don't know how they denied him and how intent he was on going back in at their denial and what he did.
I have no problem with people doing this so called boycott in reality as I've been doing it for years for what I think are the right reasons. I've only had one good waitress when I've been there who's been cool and have never barfined from the place. The big bar scene is kind of distant to me and therefore rarely look in. For me I'm more comfortable to possibly see a boycott in regards to this as asking for the truth and possible restitution and not because we've already decided that they are guilty of beating him up without good reason. The problem is if the DH rep is the only guy saying this is what happened and we get no other reports on the incident then what do we got? I see reports that they were kicking him in the head and all that, well to me they sure have good accuracy as they look like they were missing his cheeks, his lips and nose. So many times people pass on information that is bs but don't know it. I am surprised no other monger on these boards was present, but I guess it's possible given the time of night. I am just curious if we have actual people who have talked to people who were actually there.
People can do whatever. They choose to not go in so be it. They can choose to get drunk so be it. We all have to live by our choices. People screw up all the time. If they didn't we wouldn't need insurance and other crap.
People can do whatever. They choose to not go in so be it. They can choose to get drunk so be it. We all have to live by our choices. People screw up all the time.
Guys, this is a third world country. If someone screws up, the penalties can be bigger than at home. You can end up dead, for instance. It's hardly unique to the Philippines. Lawyers, insurance and boycotts don't fix it. Get beat up at school and complaining to daddy might feel nice but you still have a black eye. In a third world country, learn streetsmarts. If you don't, it's academic blaming the thug(s) who screwed you.
For anyone feeling a boycott is morally superior, consider the loss of earnings to the girls (and guys) that work there and don't beat contentious gringos to a pulp. Think about how you are condoning a nanny-state attitude. There's always two sides and usually more. This 'your with them or against them' cr*p should have gone out with GWB.
Starchild2012
01-08-10, 15:55
Is Doll House Owned by a western party or its local group?
Those in the know should stay away from any place where patrons are beaten up. Even if one does not pay money in the bar and get dead drunk or whatever, in my book, he should be reported to authorities not like get beaten by bar security....its horrible and breaking the law.
And i hear talk that if we don't go, it won't make a difference.
IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Just try. Its not about money. Its the whole vibe and vibration you bring to the bar. If good guys start leaving the place, the others will follow suit. Why do you get good and bad vibe when you enter a bar..its not about money at all....its everything to do with your vibe.
You do count in this world folks...Its not all about money.
Like you said, you've only been there twice. Maybe after you've been there quite a few times you think differently. I have seen Filipino's open a "can of whip ass" on tourist. And I'm not talking one on one. They are notorious for ganging up on foreigner. Just get in a public dispute with a Filipino and and be dumb enough to fight in public. They will automatically jump in on the side of another Filipino and not even care what the issue is about, and you will get a beat down.
What you say is very true. I lived in Manila (Pasay and Ermita) for 7 years and things such as you describe are not common but certainly not rare. The "Old" Firehouse on Roxas Blvd. was very close to my work and I became friends with the old retired Marine who was the manager, Don someone, and he also told me some horror stories he knew of and heard about in Manila and also in Angeles.
Smart thing to do is walk away if it appears there might be trouble.
Only One Wing Low can handle such situations, right fellow mongers??
ES
Dashing Don
01-08-10, 19:19
How the hell are ya Surf? its been a long time. And its nice to see that you haven't changed. Haven't lost your missionary zeal. Always the Outraged One, fighting for some cause or other. This time its ostensibly a monger who got beat up in a classy AC establishment.
Yo Surf, didn't you say that you're an attorney. Don't you know that this story is total hearsay--that nobody here witnessed it. We only got one side. And yet you advocate a boycott of a business that entertains thousands of decent, hardworking mongers from around the world who are enjoying their vacations. Shame on you Surfer. Only listening to one side of the story. You remind me of the state prosecutors in places like Iran and China; no amount of evidence will change their mind.
Surf, if this is your way of trolling for clients for your practise, I'd like to remind you that this Forum is for men having sex with women, not counsellors chasing clients.
Boycott indeed!
Best you gets yourself acquainted with the laws of evidence instead of organizing some damn fool boycott. Get a head on your shoulders will ya.
Strikesfun
01-08-10, 21:20
Wow, finally some good sense. (Not to start a flame here). This is a place that we go to by choice and because we want to escape the rules, policy, organization and police rule of were we come from. The last thing we want is rules and organization here. To us that make the choice to come here lets live up to the choice, man up and accept the outcomes whatever that may be. No blaming the girls the owners etc. live with the choice or don't come. Noise like this will open the door to all that would like to close Fields down. Forget about organizing anything let this go away and move on.
Pete Benetar
01-08-10, 21:34
Like you said, you've only been there twice. Maybe after you've been there quite a few times you think differently. I have seen Filipino's open a "can of whip ass" on tourist. And I'm not talking one on one. They are notorious for ganging up on foreigner. Just get in a public dispute with a Filipino and and be dumb enough to fight in public. They will automatically jump in on the side of another Filipino and not even care what the issue is about, and you will get a beat down.LOL. Well if you think someone needs to be apprised of the possibility of a "beat down", I suggest you visit other gardens spots like our border town of Jaurez, the barrios in Rio or. My favorite. Southeast DC right here in my own USA. Of course, you're not avoiding a simple beat down. You're avoiding penetrating injuries and worse.
You don't need to tell me if someone acts like an idiot or tries to be too bravado in someone else's country than ANYthing could be fair game.
Streetlooker
01-08-10, 21:55
Thing is, it's pretty much impossible to NOT choose sides here. If a person knows about this incident and still chooses to visit the DHG, he is by default taking DHG's side. And if he chooses not to visit, he's taking the Swedish guy's side.
As for me, the incident was severe enough that I can't in good conscience go there until the thing is cleared up. If DHG's version of events turns out to be accurate, I can always make up for the money I didn't spend there (which, to be honest, isn't all that much anyway). But if the Swedish guy's version turns out to be more accurate, then I couldn't unspend the money I'd already spent.
I am not taking any sides I chose not to go to the dollhouse group bars cause of the high prices they charge for everything. I am not a cheap charlie really but you get a much better bang for your buc kand a more friendly party at the lesser smaller bars and I chose to go to them.
Chocha Monger
01-08-10, 23:35
“How horrible, fantastic, incredible, it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a faraway country between people of whom we know nothing.” – Neville Chamberlain
Adolf Hitler came in his pants when he heard Chamberlain make this statement in a radio broadcast on September 28, 1938. Doll House Group management must be having a similar orgasmic experience upon reading the posts from do nothing mongers. Lately it has been open season on mongers in Angeles City. Even the street urchins have become more aggressive in carrying out attacks and robbery. Those who want to do like ostriches, hide their heads in the sands and expose their butts in the hopes that trouble will just go away are in for a brutal ass fucking from the predators roaming AC.
The idea that mongers spreading the word to stay away from Doll House Group bars, and possibly Fields Avenue, would attract attention and result in increased regulation and possible closure of the bars by authorities is ridiculous. In fact, the opposite is true. Ignoring incidents involving mongers will only serve to embolden those responsible. Eventually after enough mongers get their heads busted or their lives taken the problem will pop up on the radar screens of the relevant embassies and major news organizations. The resulting political pressure and publicity will do more to eliminate the Angeles City bar trade than mongers warning each other to avoid certain establishments via hobby forums.
No one is saying that mongers should picket DHG bars with placards or riot on Fields Ave breaking windows and torching bars with Molotov cocktails. What is being suggested is simply voting with your feet and currency by not patronizing these establishments. I find it ironic that do nothing mongers did nothing back home to fight the Femi Nazi movement which is exactly why they’re in a dangerous Third World shithole like AC prospecting for cheap pussy access. Now they’re advocating the same failed policies abroad. Pretend everything is okay, and keep on going or else we might not even get the privilege of being robbed, beaten, scammed and murdered as we lust after impoverished brown provincial pussy.
The Philippines is made up of thousands of islands. Angeles City is hardly the only location to chase after the young brown pussy you crave. Of course, if you’re one of those 300 lbs plus Jabba the Hutt types the close proximity of the bars in AC can make the task of slithering from one bar to another less challenging as you bar crawl.
1) Pad your bill if you don't keep a close eye on them.
2) Charge you for ladydrinks for any woman you bring in their bars.
3) Are under strong suspicion of putting someone in a coma for protesting
Number 2
They have zero chance of me frequenting any of their bars for numbers 1 and 2, let alone 3.
Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Bopalula
Rubberyman
01-09-10, 01:16
Don't you know that this story is total hearsay--that nobody here witnessed it. We only got one side. And yet you advocate a boycott of a business that entertains thousands of decent, hardworking mongers from around the world who are enjoying their vacations. Shame on you Surfer. Only listening to one side of the story. (snip)
Boycott indeed!
.
Ok, so we know that the guy was beaten up. Are you disputing that?
If not, read on.
So as mongers and visitors, we would like to know whether there is a specially increased danger if we go to Dollhouse. Those who care about their personal safety and whether or not Dollhouse Group is more likely to beat you up and leave you in a coma should read on.
We therefore do need to know some more about both sides of the story. How are we going to get the other side of the story? Wait for the Phils authorities? Hardly likely. Wait for the other side to give their story? OK, but at the moment they are saying nothing, and are unlikely to do so unless prodded.
The only way we are ever likely to get both sides of the story is by prodding the management of DH Group. Unless anyone has got a better idea of how to undertake that prodding, Surfer's suggestion is the only game in town at the moment.
This is about our safety folks. Yes, we know that AC and the Phils in general is dangerous, but this is taking it to a new level, and for those of us who wish to be a little cautious, information from both sides is essential. What we need to know is whether or not this is just one of those things that happens, or whether going to DH Group bars has become significantly more dangerous than we previously thought.
I know there are those who are so risk tolerant that they would walk from Perimeter to Fields drunk and alone at night. This issue probably doesn't make much difference to them. They will walk that road plenty of times and nothing will happen.
I have seen people here advise a boycott of the walk from Perimeter to Fields after dark. Yet nobody gets all legalistic and sarcastic, Dashing Don, or shrug and suggest we just accept it when people point out that doing it is plain stupid.
That's the point - we need to know whether going to a DH Group bar is as safe as any other in AC - we can accept that. Or is going to a DH Group bar now as stupid as walking from the Perimeter after dark?
Frankly, given that there are plenty of other bars, why would I take the risk. It is up to the management of the DH Group to convince punters their bars are safe. Those who want to be legalistic about it, don't know Phils justice all that well imo.
So rather than bollock Surfer, who is the only person suggesting something, how about those who disagree with his suggestion, come up with some other plan to help us assess the danger associated with the DH Group bars?
Boycott indeed!
Best you gets yourself acquainted with the laws of evidence instead of organizing some damn fool boycott. Get a head on your shoulders will ya.
LOLOL!
Um, well, if you think that dealing with the legal system in the Phils is all about this, then by all means go to the DH Group bars, argue about padded drink bills, see what happens, and see if anyone takes any notice of the Law of Evidence or the Law of Anything.
Just let us know when, so we can view the outcome. *snirt*
(snip)
You remind me of the state prosecutors in places like Iran and China; no amount of evidence will change their mind.
Surf, if this is your way of trolling for clients for your practise, I'd like to remind you that this Forum is for men having sex with women, not counsellors chasing clients.
(snip) Get a head on your shoulders will ya.
LOL! Waaaay OT.
As you say, this Forum is for men having sex with women. Surfer's comments were aimed at making that safer (whether you agree or not on the effectiveness is moot). Surfer also has made plenty of positive contribution in his field reports.
This forum is not for needling people who post plenty of FRs.
Rubberyman
01-09-10, 01:39
Wow, finally some good sense. (Not to start a flame here). This is a place that we go to by choice and because we want to escape the rules, policy, organization and police rule of were we come from. The last thing we want is rules and organization here. To us that make the choice to come here lets live up to the choice, man up and accept the outcomes whatever that may be. No blaming the girls the owners etc. live with the choice or don't come. Noise like this will open the door to all that would like to close Fields down. Forget about organizing anything let this go away and move on.
No flame. :)
I just reckon it is in our interest to know what is going on and to be able to assess if this is just an isolated incident - just 'one of those things', or if going to a DH Group bar is now a stupid thing to do from a personal safety point of view.
Just like walking alone to Perimeter from Fields at night is stupid (unsafe and no girls available), is going to a DH Group bar stupid (unsafe and only expensive girls with attitude available)? It seems to me that the DH Group needs to be out there explaining itself if it wants to be seen as a safe environment for its customers.
As you say, live up to the choice. However, I would like my choice to be based on good information. Living up to a choice when I never had the info to make a good choice is not sound practice imo.
Primo Bolan
01-09-10, 02:13
Poor guy! I feel for the Swede and I will not take the risk.
Didn`t like this chain before and certainly not after this.
Is Doll House Owned by a western party or its local group?
DHG is American owned and has very very deep pockets.
A boycott is laughable!
Chocha Monger
01-09-10, 05:15
DHG is American owned and has very very deep pockets.
A boycott is laughable!
That may be so, but I'd rather they laugh at me without my money in their very very deep pockets. :D
No flame. :)
Just like walking alone to Perimeter from Fields at night is stupid (unsafe and no girls available)
I used to walk between Fields and my hotel LGH (at Perimeter) at night no problems, thinking it wasn't really that far or unsafe. Really the only dark spot is that unused plot of land next to LGH. Then I read about the American who was killed there, but then his assailant apparently knew the girl he was with, so it probably wasn't some random robbery but possibly a jealous rage.
I'll be focusing more on the Perimeter and making sure I'm not stupid enough to spend a whole week with the same girl again, although she was cool.
Gonzofiend
Nothing wrong with spending time with the same girl if she pushes the right buttons.
Cunning Stunt
01-09-10, 06:49
DHG is American owned and has very very deep pockets.
Bet that their arms are very, very short as well and they find themselves unable to reach into their deep pockets to help pay the guys medical bills. Mind you he would have been a fool to come on holiday to The Philippines without adequate travel insurance cover.
Has anyone read Pattaya Mail recently. Beatings, robberies, questionable suicides and druggings, all involving tourists, almost on a daily basis. Makes Angeles look like Toy Town in comparison!
Rob Woodrow
01-09-10, 07:11
For anyone feeling a boycott is morally superior, consider the loss of earnings to the girls (and guys) that work there and don't beat contentious gringos to a pulp. Think about how you are condoning a nanny-state attitude. There's always two sides and usually more. This 'your with them or against them' cr*p should have gone out with GWB.
You do have a good point in your first sentence. But I can't agree with the rest. A "nanny-state attitude" would imply getting the government (or some other entity that can use force) involved. Everyone here is still free to choose whether or not to enter the bars. Big, big difference between the freedom to choose and the use of force.
And it's also unrelated to "with us or against us." The reality is that there are only two choices to make--enter the DHG bars, or don't. Your reasons for going or not going are really irrelevant. The DHG has either made money or it hasn't. The only real third option I can see are the guys who don't know about the incident, which (let's face it) will probably be a vast majority of the people in AC.
Rob Woodrow
01-09-10, 07:13
1) Pad your bill if you don't keep a close eye on them.
2) Charge you for ladydrinks for any woman you bring in their bars.
3) Are under strong suspicion of putting someone in a coma for protesting
Number 2
They have zero chance of me frequenting any of their bars for numbers 1 and 2, let alone 3.
Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Bopalula
Sums it up for me as well. Too bad, I had a cool girl at Pony Tails, too.
This is my second trip to Angeles and unfortunately it is no better than my first trip. I guess you are either an Angeles person or you are not and I am not. When i go on a mongering trip I want to have sex with as many beautiful girls (and the most beautiful that I can find) as possible and with the minimum fuss. In my opinion this is just not possible in Angeles and you are forced to settle for the second teir girls. I find the Cherry Girl / Menstrating thing is just so frustrating . I dont mean any disrespect to anyone but just trying to say it how I see it. Angeles to me is a joke for the serious monger, it is a place to try and find the girlfriend experience and just forget about trying to find any beautiful girls, it really is just way to much hassle and you negate any cost savings through the sheer amount of drinks and bars you do have to visit before ypu find a girl that will go with you. Admittedly the GFE is very good when you do finally get a girl put i much prefer the point and go style of Thailand or Southern China, no hassle just pure business and every girl will go with you without question.
Pros
Great girlfriend experience
Condom optional
Speak English
Cons
Knowing that any attractive girl will not be available
Fat Jollibee stomachs on most girls
Loads of girls with kids
Can only choose from second tier girls
Wasted time going bar to bar to find a half decent girl that will go with you
Most available girls are unnatractive
Poor attitude until you start buying drinks for them
Mamasan hovering and hassling to buy drinks while you are asking girl about their avaialbilty before committing to drinks
Attitude in Perimeter road was much better but girls unnatractive apart from Eruptions Club...but guess what, they were attractive and so of course they wouldnt go with anyone!!! We are young clean cut guys too that are in shape and generous...kind of mind blowing really.
If you want to spend time and look for great GFE then this is a good place, but if you want to bang beautiful girls one after the other then this is definitely not the place.
This is my second trip to Angeles and unfortunately it is no better than my first trip. I guess you are either an Angeles person or you are not and I am not. When I go on a mongering trip I want to have sex with as many beautiful girls (and the most beautiful that I can find) as possible and with the minimum fuss. In my opinion this is just not possible in Angeles and you are forced to settle for the second teir girls. I find the Cherry Girl / Menstrating thing is just so frustrating. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone but just trying to say it how I see it. Angeles to me is a joke for the serious monger, it is a place to try and find the girlfriend experience and just forget about trying to find any beautiful girls, it really is just way to much hassle and you negate any cost savings through the sheer amount of drinks and bars you do have to visit before ypu find a girl that will go with you. Admittedly the GFE is very good when you do finally get a girl put I much prefer the point and go style of Thailand or Southern China, no hassle just pure business and every girl will go with you without question.
Pros
Great girlfriend experience
Condom optional
Speak English
Cons
Knowing that any attractive girl will not be available
Fat Jollibee stomachs on most girls
Loads of girls with kids
Can only choose from second tier girls
Wasted time going bar to bar to find a half decent girl that will go with you
Most available girls are unnatractive
Poor attitude until you start buying drinks for them
Mamasan hovering and hassling to buy drinks while you are asking girl about their avaialbilty before committing to drinks
Attitude in Perimeter road was much better but girls unnatractive apart from Eruptions Club. But guess what, they were attractive and so of course they wouldn't go with anyone! We are young clean cut guys too that are in shape and generous. Kind of mind blowing really.
If you want to spend time and look for great GFE then this is a good place, but if you want to bang beautiful girls one after the other then this is definitely not the place.Having lived in south China and really getting to know the environment there, both as a regular customer and as a good friend of one KTV owner, I have a slightly different view of things.
In China indeed it's easy to make the girl go with you. But the actualy experience will usually be much worse than in AC. The majority of Chinese girls in BBS will just play dead in bed. Many KTV girls are better, but there's really no way of telling. I have seen many of them who gave great GFE while at the club, but still play dead in bed.
In AC, here's my way of doing things:
1. Spot the girl you want.
2. Call the mamasan and ask her to make sure the girl wants to BF, before she comes over.
3. If the above (mamasan approach) is not available, just move away from your seat and call the girl to meet you in another part of the bar. Ask her if she's willing to BF with you. Only if she says YES, invite her to join you at your table.
4. Always buy at least one lady drink to the girl (after you have already made sure she will BF with you).
The above approach worked for me very well. I did have a few girls who couldn't (or wouldn't) go with me. In most cases I found them to be honest. One girl said she will not BF with white men, as she's afraid of their mechanics. I found her answer reasonable, kissed her goodbye, and proceeded to the next one. One other girl told me she's a Cherry Girl, but still would very much like to BF with me, as long as we don't have full sex. I refused, but kissed her as well for her attitude.
I also need to say that I have always had a partner with me on my visits to AC bars. I found out that there are many benefits to having a partner with you, starting from the personal safety issue, and ending with the girl's feeling about you. A person who has friends is considered to be a "safer" customer.
UN LE70
RCA Knight
01-09-10, 13:07
Bowerboy has said exactly exactly what I have always wanted to say about Angeles. This is an impossible destination for a massive quality
hunting tour.
I think I need to visit you guys in S China. Sounds like fun.
I can't help but think that there are different ways guys interact with the girls which create different results. What works in China or Thailand is going to be different than what works in the Philippines.
As for "impossible destination for a massive quality", I hope you find massive satsifaction at optimum quality for the minimum expenditure ...along with maximum orgasm at the perfect momemt.
X
Bowerboy has said exactly exactly what I have always wanted to say about Angeles. This is an impossible destination for a massive quality
hunting tour.
Attitude in Perimeter road was much better but girls unnatractive apart from Eruptions Club...but guess what, they were attractive and so of course they wouldnt go with anyone!!! We are young clean cut guys too that are in shape and generous...kind of mind blowing really.
If you want to spend time and look for great GFE then this is a good place, but if you want to bang beautiful girls one after the other then this is definitely not the place.Strange as it may seem, it may very well be because you are "young and relatively good-looking" that the girls in the larger bars prefer not to go with you.
Many of the better looking girls in the larger bars can make quite a reasonable income by local standards just from their appearance money and commission on Ladies drinks. They are not necessarily excited at the thought of a night in bed with a young white stud and having to endure 5 or 6 energetic rounds with his 7 inches. Of Viagra enhanced salami.
They are mostly slim petite girls, and as such are well aware that too much energetic sex with a horny young white guy stretches and hurts them. How many times have regulars like myself heard comments like " Pokie is broken after last night" from some of these girls. It's not that Pokie is really broken, but they are stretched and sore and need a couple of nights off for the soreness to heal.
On the other hand you may well notice many of the good lookers willingly go with much older and often overweight guys.
That's because they know that once they get back to the hotel it's one quick pop, often with the girls sitting on top where she can easily controll the depth of penetration, and then a good nights sleep in a comfortable bed and often followed by a decent breakfast.
Furthermore, even though many of these girls might have been denied even a high-school education, they are all pretty adept at sizing up the guy, and the chance of a decent tip in the morning.
They all know that the vast majority of younger guys are unlikely to have much money and therefore a decent tip is unlikely, but older retired guys are often much more generous and therefore will give him a much better service.
The ofton dirt poor family circumstances of these girls may have left them with few options but to work in the bars, but don't underestimate them. They know only too well which guys will look after them and which guys won't.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Key Master
01-09-10, 18:52
Bowerboy has said exactly exactly what I have always wanted to say about Angeles. This is an impossible destination for a massive quality
hunting tour.
While I won't agree with all that Bowerboy has mentioned, I do pretty much agree with his talk of the talent levels and who is available and the real associated costs of looking for your date and not the actual cost of the date. I think some of the better talent have learned they can make more by staying in the bar and milking drinks all night than spreading her legs. I've had much better luck in the bigger cities that I don't go to AC very much anymore. I don't like not having anywhere to really go at night with my dates except more gogo bars mostly. Walking around can be a hassle out there with the darkness in some areas and certain locals hanging and the vehicle traffic on the streets. For some people it's a dream and so easy. It's also that some people have a different scale from 1-10 than others.
Professional
01-09-10, 21:33
The thing I find as strange about the DHG is the lack of response they must know of forum like this or PI @ night, etc, etc.
Everyone is saying the same thing “boycott”. If DHG has another side to the story why haven’t they mouthed up? Personally I was never a fan of DHG so boycott suits me just fine unless I hear their side of the story I tend to believe the forum DHG has had plenty of time to respond.
1) Pad your bill if you don't keep a close eye on them.
2) Charge you for ladydrinks for any woman you bring in their bars.
3) Are under strong suspicion of putting someone in a coma for protesting
Number 2
They have zero chance of me frequenting any of their bars for numbers 1 and 2, let alone 3.
Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Bopalula
Agreed. Did not like them before and for sure wont patronize now.
I like my brain intact thank you.
I guess you are either an Angeles person or you are notThat's probably true, and even for some of us who like the place it was an acquired taste. All the cons you mention are true too, though in time you can learn to work your way around them. If you're looking for a string of 9s and 10s, this is not the place. (Manila is, if you've got the budget.) But if you're OK with fine-looking, fine-performing girls who aren't quite stunners, there are plenty to be found. It just takes some looking. And sometimes, some waiting.
Here's an old favorite. Meets my standards anyhow . . . .
Pete Benetar
01-10-10, 06:02
That's probably true, and even for some of us who like the place it was an acquired taste. All the cons you mention are true too, though in time you can learn to work your way around them. If you're looking for a string of 9s and 10s, this is not the place. (Manila is, if you've got the budget.) But if you're OK with fine-looking, fine-performing girls who aren't quite stunners, there are plenty to be found. It just takes some looking. And sometimes, some waiting.
Here's an old favorite. Meets my standards anyhow . . . .Nice pic. She looks like a solid 9 to my eye, though honestly I don't like 'toos (ok, you can start calling me girly boy, lol)
Do you mind me asking what you pay her?
This is for guys that may not know already,
If you barfine a girl from a bar then return to the same bar the next day, next week or 6 months time. each and every girl in that bar will know.
a) If your a nice guy.
b) how big your dick is.
c) how many times you did it.
d) if you had vitamins.
e) were you any good in bed(what you did).
and more importantly, how much you tipped the girl.
Lastly they don't like guys that smell.
Rob Woodrow
01-10-10, 11:54
This is for guys that may not know already,
If you barfine a girl from a bar then return to the same bar the next day, next week or 6 months time. each and every girl in that bar will know.
a) If your a nice guy.
b) how big your dick is.
c) how many times you did it.
d) if you had vitamins.
e) were you any good in bed(what you did).
and more importantly, how much you tipped the girl.
Lastly they don't like guys that smell.
Not EVERY girl will know. But the ones that are her friends (or were curious enough about you to ask her) will.
Rob Woodrow
01-10-10, 11:58
Agreed. Did not like them before and for sure wont patronize now.
I like my brain intact thank you.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that the boycott IS the neutral route. By participating in the boycott, you are providing the exact same amount of financial support to both sides of the story, which is zero.
By participating in the boycott, you are providing the exact same amount of financial support to both sides of the story, which is zero. Well I thing the idea is to try and regain some amount of respect for Western customers. Remember the days when the US Air Force was there and could close the base if the bars were making trouble.
Certianly I am tending to not want to go where I am not appreciated, even cared for as a customer. If they beat up Western customers at Jollibee I wouldn't want to go their either.
Unfortunately, seems as long as their is cash from Korea, Japan, and middle east contractors on vacation, regular joes who don't spend as much won't be appreciated.
ThatGuy865
01-10-10, 16:06
They won't even notice the number of guys on this board who say they will boycott. Second to me, if westerners boycott every bar that has a single incident against a westerner. Eventually we can boycott every bar.
Ok a swede got his ass kick at DH. Is this a reqular thing there. No. Have you heard of another patron getting a beat down there. I don't know the whole story, and mostly so far have only heard from one side.
If you lived in the city it would be one thing. But boycotting a place when you are only there 10 days out of year and rarely are the people who are talking about participating in the city in any large numbers at the same time. It won't have any affect what so ever.
3 months from now. When the swede has been forgotten about and the story is nothing but a distant memory. Even the guys who talked of boycotting will have forgotten about it.
If it becomes a regular thing, then I think you have a valid expectation. But as of now. Most people who go there won't know of the ass whippin, nor the details, nor your boycott. But if it makes you guys feel good to think you affect the outcome of the bar with this endeavor. Have at it.
I think I need to visit you guys in S China. Sounds like fun.
I can't help but think that there are different ways guys interact with the girls which create different results. What works in China or Thailand is going to be different than what works in the Philippines.
As for "impossible destination for a massive quality", I hope you find massive satsifaction at optimum quality for the minimum expenditure ...along with maximum orgasm at the perfect momemt.
X
Lived for many years in China and would never recommend it as a location for the uneducated "tourist". First, when one lands in the city, where do you go? The touts and girls on the street will take you to some dim KTV where they will proceed to show what a real bill padding is or in the alternative a real ass whipping. They hang outside of every hotel of significance. Going to even a reputable KTV, you don't know if it is purely family entertainment, rip off joint or a gem (in most instances it won't matter cause they, including the girls) don't speak english. There are no go go bars in China, its all freelance, KTV or massage parlor.
Then talk about prices. If we talk about mongers, meaning P4P, then don't see how it will cost less than $100 U.S. for just an average girl. If we talk about free be--and the Chinese girls do drop their pants for young handsome westerners, then they will be calling you every ten minutes, banging at your door (if you have an apartment). Then there are the better massage parlors, but in most its a handjob for $100 approx. The red rope experience is a once in a lifetime event, but as stated once, and the girls are well worn.
Dont' even see a comparison between China and Angeles, its apples and oranges. China is ok if you know your way around, but as a tourist destination of a sexual kind, without experience, I don't see how massive quality entertainment will be had.
Sorry guys, but all these repeated threads about DHG and other minor issues and opinions is getting boring. Admit I've been a party to it. If one prefers another location, then perhaps they should go to that board and this board should get on with giving valuable information on having a great time in Angeles City.
While the tourists have yet to come in any signficant numbers to Angeles City, this year. The bars are full of girls, with their coming back from the provinces and their extended vacation. Bars are running specials throughout Angeles with free food, extended happy hour prices, door prizes, etc. Understand even the hotels are running specials or promotions. If one can't find a girl in this town, then they must already be dead.
Shooters had a huge line up of girls the other night, a high number met my expectations. The club has a number of VIP rooms, only 700 p for a couple of hours with the girl/s of your choice. Rooms are better than most hotels.
Gentleman's club was a disappointment, but just below it, Dr. Holmes (a very small bar) had its stage full of girls with some stunners. Eruption is always good and Cherry's had a good lineup.
Seemed like every bar I went to had like 10 girls or more to every customer. In most, I found the girls very eager to please. Clear they spent all their Christmas money and needed to replenish the mattress.
To my knowledge, in the last week, no foreigner got killed, beat up or ripped off. But then, to the thousands of us foreigners who either live here or visit here on a regular basis, that could be said for most weeks of the year. Then too, the volcano eruption is no where even close to Angeles City, the massacre that occurred in December, as too the muslim rebellion is a long way away (Angeles is in the Christian part of the Philippines) and there is no typhoon. For those of you who avoid Chicago in the U.S. due to the killings on the Mexican border, then can understand your being wary of Angeles City.
Today, we will put on our shorts and polo shirts (cause its kind of warm today, just like Europe, NA and China, ha ha) Accumulate our 1200 peso (about $26) per girl and see if we can't gather 1,2 or three 18-24 year old girls for an afternoon romp. This is the real life in Angeles City, not what has been repeated over and over again.
Cunning Stunt
01-11-10, 04:01
Dont' even see a comparison between China and Angeles, its apples and oranges. China is ok if you know your way around, but as a tourist destination of a sexual kind, without experience, I don't see how massive quality entertainment will be had.
Funny how impressions can vary. The nearest I ever came to mongering nirvana was at a Swan Lake BBS line-up where literally dozens of grade 8-10 Chinese stunners were clamoring for my attention and all available for $25 ST or $60 LT.
But I take your point - it is not for the inexperienced or lazy monger. You definitely need a sense of adventure to take on mongering, Chinese style!
RCA Knight
01-11-10, 04:35
You don't need much experience in China to have massive quality plus quantity. If you are total newbie, then start with saunas. This is the safest bet in the world, you will definitely get good to greatest service, and many really beautiful girls. They will do as far as in-mouth explosion, anal rimming ect on the menu. I still cannot find any where else in the world that a beauty will do that for you at 300-500 yuan average. You do not need to speak a word of Chinese. That is where I got started in China about 8 years ago.
Angeles City or Philippines as a whole is a slow pace hunt. Some people have the time and enjoy the slow grilling romance procedures over the quality and quantity, then stick with same one for a few days to enjoy the loving companionship, then AC is the place. But for people who have 2-4 days off at work, and fly to certain destination, we want to maximize the quality and quantity, and of course at reasonable price, then Southern China is the place.
Funny how impressions can vary. The nearest I ever came to mongering nirvana was at a Swan Lake BBS line-up where literally dozens of grade 8-10 Chinese stunners were clamoring for my attention and all available for $25 ST or $60 LT.
But I take your point - it is not for the inexperienced or lazy monger. You definitely need a sense of adventure to take on mongering, Chinese style!
I don't know Swan Lake or what city it is in, but if you recently secured a beavy of grade 8-10 chinese girls for approx. 400 RMB, FS, LT, then suggest you are a god among mongers. I don't know of any place in Shanghai or Beijing, as a foreigner today, that such can be secured with the quality you suggest at that price. And without your specific instructions, which probably requires you to write out the name in Chinese, asking the hotel or getting a taxi to find the place will be very difficult. Even if the place is right across the street, without it being written in Chinese with the street address also in Chinese, the tourist will get the "chinese blank stare". Then once you find the street, in many of these places because they are "illegal", there is no sign only a number on the wall--maybe.
I believe you, and I think we agree, your success represents experience. In Angeles one only needs to know how to walk (and even that is optional), to find the girls. The price is from $26 to $65 (the most expensive I know of). The sheer volume of girls is overwhelming. In that, I meant my comparison to apples and oranges.
Cunning Stunt
01-11-10, 04:58
I don't know Swan Lake or what city it is in, but if you recently secured a beavy of grade 8-10 chinese girls for approx. 400 RMB, FS, LT, then suggest you are a god among mongers.
LOL - hardly:D. The HK/Singaporean mongers have known about and enjoyed Chang Ping for ages but would obviously like to keep it to themselves. It can be hard going though for a non-Chinese speaking westerner and is the opposite end of the mongering spectrum from the likes of Angeles.
Lived for many years in China and would never recommend it as a location for the uneducated "tourist". First, when one lands in the city, where do you go? The touts and girls on the street will take you to some dim KTV where they will proceed to show what a real bill padding is or in the alternative a real ass whipping. They hang outside of every hotel of significance. Going to even a reputable KTV, you don't know if it is purely family entertainment, rip off joint or a gem (in most instances it won't matter cause they, including the girls) don't speak english. There are no go go bars in China, its all freelance, KTV or massage parlor.
Dont' even see a comparison between China and Angeles, its apples and oranges. China is ok if you know your way around, but as a tourist destination of a sexual kind, without experience, I don't see how massive quality entertainment will be had.
Agreed. Google or check out Shanghai threads. English is not widely spoken (if at all then not well). You really need to know your way around and speak the language or have a streetwise local with you or you will be certainly be ripped off and big time. Price of AC ladydrink scams will pale in comparison! Tourist get ripped of hundreds to about a thousand dollars for tea scams alone and that does not even involve alcohol or sex. Also you are at the mercy of LE where this sort of hobby is not tolerated if caught. LE is constantly cracking down. Its a constant game of cat and mouse. If you are there for business, worse, you risk LE telling your company that you have been a naughty boy, cancelling your visa and not letting you back in.
Another thing to add, a fellow monger wrote some good statictics about in-calls to hotels in China. None of them are the girl pictured in the advert. Also the prices go up once they are in the room. They were nearly all starfishes to average at best.
Do you mind me asking what you pay her?I caught her right after she got to AC from the countryside, so I was just paying standard market rate. I get the impression she started making a whole lot more after that, then just became unavailable. Of course that's the way it usually works with the best ones.
Sang Kancil
01-11-10, 09:29
agreed. google or check out shanghai threads. you really need to know your way around and speak the language or have a streetwise local with you or you will be certainly be ripped off and big time. english is not widely spoken (if at all then not well). price of ac ladydrink scams will pale in comparison! tourist get ripped of hundreds to about a thousand dollars for tea scams alone and that does not even involve alcohol or sex. also you are at the mercy of le where this sort of hobby is not tolerated if caught. le is constantly cracking down. its a constant game of cat and mouse. if you are there for business, worse, you risk le telling your company that you have been a naughty boy, cancelling your visa and not letting you back in.
another thing to add, a fellow monger wrote some good statictics about in-calls to hotels in china. none of them are the girl pictured in the advert. also the prices go up once they are in the room. they were nearly all starfishes to average at best.veru ytur about china scene, went before olympics to beijing. 4 of us went to hrc but a local syt hanging outside managed to sweetalk and followed to a dim ktv. she said only local beer price will be charged. anyway went there and suddenly about 20 young stunning girls appeared and presented themselves. each of us with dick size brain at that time took 2 girls each. they started to order some liqiour. i sensed something was wrong when the table was full of empty glases (around 30) and asked for the bill. wtf, 18k rmb. time spend was 30 minutes. arqued with the manager and bouncer but they were still adamant. what we did, gave them the silent treatment and pretend to sleep. after 1 hr plus they came to negotiate and managed to bring down to 12k and that yellow fuckers wanted to charge 20% for using credit card. we said no and refuse to give tips to the girls. during nego, we told them in a very subtle way, what if these type of scam surfaced in the net? maybe that was a plus point. when we came out, there a some police outside. dare not complain because by the look in their face, they might kow-tow to the shady ktv owners. saw a few whites came out with pissed look. got conned like us.
guys, please watch where you go in china, full of conmen.
ManonsanBoy
01-11-10, 11:40
I am returning to AC in 3 weeks for my 3rd trip.
Here are my plans;
At the airport, a strict 300 P for a taxi to Fields Ave. Maybe I will give 350 for a especially eager chap. No share unless split costs.
I will stay at either Clarkton (new wing) or LGH (both perfectly acceptable but at the higher end in terms of costs, but hey, it is still around 60 USD!
I will AVOID C restaurant (over rated and not all that good). I will try more restaurants @ SM Mall.
I will do the usual rounds of bars but will probably settle on a perimeter girl unless something dramatic turns up (to be expected).
I still have not solved the problem of what to do during the day in AC. Subic Bay is boring and the local golf is not all that good.
I am lookig forward to it.
Primo Bolan
01-11-10, 11:47
I am returning to AC in 3 weeks for my 3rd trip.
Here are my plans;
At the airport, a strict 300 P for a taxi to Fields Ave. Maybe I will give 350 for a especially eager chap. No share unless split costs.
I will stay at either Clarkton (new wing) or LGH (both perfectly acceptable but at the higher end in terms of costs, but hey, it is still around 60 USD!
I will AVOID C restaurant (over rated and not all that good). I will try more restaurants @ SM Mall.
I will do the usual rounds of bars but will probably settle on a perimeter girl unless something dramatic turns up (to be expected).
I still have not solved the problem of what to do during the day in AC. Subic Bay is boring and the local golf is not all that good.
I am lookig forward to it.
Could you please inform us what you mean with C rest is over rated and not all that good. Some details please.
PB
ManonsanBoy
01-11-10, 17:00
Could you please inform us what you mean with C rest is over rated and not all that good. Some details please.
PB
Soggy, over soft pasta, dry tasting buco, flat bread, signature pizza left me unimpressed...................and it charges about 50-100 % more.
I went twice; first time on reading what a great place it was and second times as a guest. I just do not see what the fuss is all about. I eat Italian regularly in Hong Kong, Australia and yes, Italy.
AC is not your gourmet destination..................but hey, that is not why you go there.
agreed. google or check out shanghai threads. english is not widely spoken (if at all then not well). you really need to know your way around and speak the language or have a streetwise local with you or you will be certainly be ripped off and big time. price of ac ladydrink scams will pale in comparison! tourist get ripped of hundreds to about a thousand dollars for tea scams alone and that does not even involve alcohol or sex. also you are at the mercy of le where this sort of hobby is not tolerated if caught. le is constantly cracking down. its a constant game of cat and mouse. if you are there for business, worse, you risk le telling your company that you have been a naughty boy, cancelling your visa and not letting you back in.
another thing to add, a fellow monger wrote some good statictics about in-calls to hotels in china. none of them are the girl pictured in the advert. also the prices go up once they are in the room. they were nearly all starfishes to average at best.as someone who used to live in changping (cp) for several years i can say that the chinese experience can be very intimidating for a first timer. having said that, i have perosnally introduced the cp nightlife to several newcomers, who after one such introduction, were able to go hunt in the local bbs without any problem. the conversation is always the same anyway, so a few hand gestures are enough to explain what you want.
i would say that the main difference is the "feel" of things. if you cannot communicate there's no way to have gfe. it all becomes very mechanical, even if the performance is great.
i have visited one sauna lately, after avoiding them for several years (why pay for something you can get for free on the street, as a local white guy). the girl was making those funny "noises" while giving me the bbj. i started laughing so hard that my "device" went sleeping and didn't wake up for long time. it was so un-real that i couldn't handle it. i had to let the girl lie down next to me and chat with her for 20 minutes until she really got some feeling for me and dropped the "acting". after that, it was all great!
in ac even the first experience was great. something about the communication and personal philippino attitude of "giving service" is much greater than with most chinese girls. it's part of the culture, which also makes these people so popular as care givers all over the world. sure the money is important, but it looks to me as if they forget about it after already going out of the bar with you.
un le70
Primo Bolan
01-11-10, 18:46
Soggy, over soft pasta, dry tasting buco, flat bread, signature pizza left me unimpressed...................and it charges about 50-100 % more.
I went twice; first time on reading what a great place it was and second times as a guest. I just do not see what the fuss is all about. I eat Italian regularly in Hong Kong, Australia and yes, Italy.
AC is not your gourmet destination..................but hey, that is not why you go there.
Why do you stay in C if you eat at SM?
Do you walk to SM or do you pay a tricycle a hundred to take u there?
Escort Fan
01-11-10, 22:24
I will stay at either Clarkton (new wing) or LGH (both perfectly acceptable but at the higher end in terms of costs, but hey, it is still around 60 USD!You managed to negociate a LGH room down to 60 USD?
For what duration?
I am returning to AC in 3 weeks for my 3rd trip.
Here are my plans;
At the airport, a strict 300 P for a taxi to Fields Ave. Maybe I will give 350 for a especially eager chap. No share unless split costs.
I will stay at either Clarkton (new wing) or LGH (both perfectly acceptable but at the higher end in terms of costs, but hey, it is still around 60 USD!
I will AVOID C restaurant (over rated and not all that good). I will try more restaurants @ SM Mall.
I will do the usual rounds of bars but will probably settle on a perimeter girl unless something dramatic turns up (to be expected).
I still have not solved the problem of what to do during the day in AC. Subic Bay is boring and the local golf is not all that good.
I am lookig forward to it.
Not to suggest AC has the best restaurants, the following suggestions: New Paradise Beer Garden, at the end of Fields by MacArthur, affordable and a good afternoon eating outside and watching the action. Across the street is "12.30 Pizza", they deliver and do a pretty good job. There is a new Thai restaurant where the old Zappata's use to be (by badda bing and candy bar), and the new Zappata's is not bad. Emotions nightclub (on Perimeter) opens around 10 or 11 am and serves a fair meal at reasonable prices, you can watch the girls while you eat. Wobbly Boot (on the side street by Eruption bar), which does not look like much, has pretty good food for reasonable prices, its also open very late, I think to 2 or 3 am. On the corner by Wobbly Boot, up a few doors from the brass knob there is a pretty good Italian restaurant, but a little pricey as its ingredients are imported from Italy.
I agree there is not much to do in AC during the day, so you kinda have to make your own fun. If you have a nice pool at your hotel, some BF three or four girls and have a pool party. There is a new manager in Eruption Bar (his name is Mike, I think), former pro golfer and golf trainer, he can direct you to the better golf courses, I think the one on Clark is better. You mention the Lewis Grand, not my favorite as that would be ABC Hotel, but understand they have put bar girls into their restaurant for daytime entertainment.
You suggest you may "settle" on a perimeter road girl, I agree with your geography, but why one girl. If you are seeking daytime entertainment, assuming anything of quality would cost you about $100, why not take four girls for the day, then you can party with them--pool, or private.
ManonsanBoy
01-12-10, 11:48
I agree there is not much to do in AC during the day, so you kinda have to make your own fun. If you have a nice pool at your hotel, some BF three or four girls and have a pool party.
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I will get there and let the place dictate. I am sure the trip will be different. Any suggestions for live music. R & B was very good last time. I like hard driving rock.
Not to suggest AC has the best restaurants,
You suggest you may "settle" on a perimeter road girl, I agree with your geography, but why one girl. If you are seeking daytime entertainment, assuming anything of quality would cost you about $100, why not take four girls for the day, then you can party with them--pool, or private.
Swiss Chalet makes a pretty darn good beef tenderloin (aka chateaubriand, filet mignon, eye fillet). The 375ml bottle red wines are pretty good value too. Last time I was there, I drank only half and the waitress offered to save the balance for my return 2 days later.
Good advice about that private pool party, I'll have to try that next time.
Phantomtiger2
01-13-10, 02:04
I don't know Swan Lake or what city it is in, .
Hey Matius, They are talking about the Swan lake hotel area in south China (Chang Ping) near HK.
CP is the chinese monger version of AC but without all the bars and like AC, its a dead town with not much to do during the daytime.
And agree with others, CP is not a paradise mongering destination if you don't speak the local language
But this is off topic for this thread so perhaps everyone could forward their thoughts onto the China (CP) thread instead.
PT
Royal Amsterdam Hotel. new steak rest. I have eaten there several times this past few weeks. The steak was good but even better is their burgers, have to say one of the best offerings I have tasted in Philippines. Try the double patty swiss, also decent salad bar.
As for Lewis grand, think the quality of their food has taken a dive since I stayed at the hotel last spring.. Had a horrendous meal there with friends over the holidays and will not be returning. Management could not give a shit.
Emotions for lunch is pretty decent for the prices and the girls are a nice attraction.
I will get there and let the place dictate. I am sure the trip will be different. Any suggestions for live music. R & B was very good last time. I like hard driving rock.
Live music venues have not faired well on the strip. Klub Class use to have a live band after nine pm, but understand they stopped that. HRock, which is an attempt at ripping off the Hard Rock Cafe theme, offers live music and food no girls, but it gets mixed reviews. Its located in the same complex of the Paradise Beer Garden I mentioned in the past posting. Also in the same complex, Love and Music Bar, not live music, but excellent sound system and really blows the roof off on volume. On Thursday nights, Midnight Rock (hope I am not confusing it with Happy Rock right next door) the owner Dave does some very entertaining piano playing. Midnight Rock is next to Nasty Duck, the Old Fire and Ice, Foxy Bar on perimeter road. A small bar in the same location, called Sea Dreams has live music on some nights, but it is more guitar vocalist music, not hard rock, but still very good and nice bar. While I've never been to R&B, I've heard positive things about it and think it is still going. I think, off the main strip, there are some Filipino venues that offer live music, maybe some other members know of them.
The main strip--being Fields Avenue and Perimeter Road are go go bars (of course also restaurants and Hotels, some stores, etc). If I can say it, its all about the girls and liquor.
Youngster420
01-13-10, 06:26
Quick question, if I go to Angeles for only 2-3 days is that enough time to have fun? I will be in Asia this month and a ticket to Manila is around 250 bucks, so I figure I'd take a little side trip.
if I go to Angeles for only 2-3 days is that enough time to have fun?
Usually I arrive in AC and the fun starts 1 hour later, so it's enough time.
But it's very short, the best IMHO is 5-7 days.
But for first time 3 days is fine, since most people love or hate the place.
To figure that out, it's okay.
Enjoy!
Hi,
I'm looking for a good deal for a 1-month stay and didn't find too much info here. If you have any recommendations, highly appreciated.
So far I found
Hotel Tiger about 25k (posted here)
Welcome Inn 28k
Donald Paul Apartelle 30k
I'd prefer something around 20k with wifi/LAN.
Thanks for your help.
Any new updates on Angeles City, guys? I will be in the Philippines for roughly about 6-7 weeks in different locations. Mostly I will be in Olongapo at a friend's house but I will spend some time in Ilocos Norte and of course Manila and Angeles city. This isn't my first time to the P.I. (I was there for almost 4 weeks last Christmas) so I'm not a newbie anymore but I'm just wondering what is "going rate" now and where are the best bars nowadays? ('best' meaning cheapest for the cutest girls) Last year, I went to Geckos and Agasya consistently but I don't remember going to any other bars much.
Also, I plan on visiting Thailand (Pattaya/Bangkok) for the first time. Maybe China.
@Primo Bolan: Yes, I meant to type Pattaya, Phuket was a typo.
Primo Bolan
01-13-10, 14:12
Any new updates on Angeles City, guys? I will be in the Philippines for roughly about 6-7 weeks in different locations. Mostly I will be in Olongapo at a friend's house but I will spend some time in Ilocos Norte and of course Manila and Angeles city. This isn't my first time to the P.I. (I was there for almost 4 weeks last Christmas) so I'm not a newbie anymore but I'm just wondering what is "going rate" now and where are the best bars nowadays? ('best' meaning cheapest for the cutest girls) Last year, I went to Geckos and Agasya consistently but I don't remember going to any other bars much.
Also, I plan on visiting Thailand (Phuket/Bangkok) for the first time. Maybe China.
Why Phuket? Pattaya is better and cheaper.
This is my own route in Feb Bangkok-Angeles-Manila-Pattaya-Bangkok.
PB
But for first time 3 days is fine, since most people love or hate the place.Love or hate, for sure.
It's funny though -- I gave AC a miss for about ten years after the base closed. Came back around 2002, had an awful first couple days. I was ready to leave except some friends were arriving, so I stuck around. And sure enough, within a few more days I was having so much fun I could have stayed for months.
It can take some time to adjust to the whole AC scene. It's just so unlike anywhere else.
Hi,
I'm looking for a good deal for a 1-month stay and didn't find too much info here. If you have any recommendations, highly appreciated.
So far I found
Hotel Tiger about 25k (posted here)
Welcome Inn 28k
Donald Paul Apartelle 30k
I'd prefer something around 20k with wifi/LAN.
Thanks for your help.
The Sun Moon hotel is under 20k a month and they advertise Wi/Fi. I cannot recommend them as I never stayed there, but I checked out their rooms and they were small and basic. Not sure if this is what you'd be looking for.
FYI, the hotel is located in the area of Eruptions Bar and Gentlemens Club.
Any new updates on Angeles City, guys?
While the tourists have yet to come in any signficant numbers to Angeles City, this year. The bars are full of girls, with their coming back from the provinces and their extended vacation. Bars are running specials throughout Angeles with free food, extended happy hour prices, door prizes, etc. Understand even the hotels are running specials or promotions. If one can't find a girl in this town, then they must already be dead.
Shooters had a huge line up of girls the other night, a high number met my expectations. The club has a number of VIP rooms, only 700 p for a couple of hours with the girl/s of your choice. Rooms are better than most hotels.
Gentleman's club was a disappointment, but just below it, Dr. Holmes (a very small bar) had its stage full of girls with some stunners. Eruption is always good and Cherry's had a good lineup.
Seemed like every bar I went to had like 10 girls or more to every customer. In most, I found the girls very eager to please. Clear they spent all their Christmas money and needed to replenish the mattress.
Posted this a couple of days ago in this forum. If you only spent your time in two bars then you missed most of Angeles, and sounds like your time was spent on Fields, instead of trying any of the perimeter road bars. Gecko's still does a good business, one of the few Fields bars that can say such during this tourist drought. In the past few days, nothing much has changed, very few tourists and most of the bars are quite, but many many many girls. Specials being run all over town with many bars just trying to capture their overhead (so it appears). One Fields bar (can't remember the name) was offerring two drinks for the price of one, but that deal just about puts them in line with everyday pricing at the Perimeter road bars.
Your search for the cutiest and cheapest girl is a little hard to reply. Pricing on Fields for a Barfine is 1300 to 3000 peso, guess which girls are more expensive. On Perimeter road its 1200 peso, with the exception of the new bar Ponytails. Lady drinks are about 150 in most bars on Fields, plus or minus a few peso. Lady drinks on Perimeter are 100 to 120. Local drinks, including SML for the customer are 50 to 60 peso on Perimeter, and with some exceptions such as the Body Shop, fields pricing is around 85 peso for the same. But as stated above, many bars on Fields are offerring discounts, special happy hours and promotions to entice some customers in their door.
Rob Woodrow
01-14-10, 10:07
Posted this a couple of days ago in this forum. If you only spent your time in two bars then you missed most of Angeles, and sounds like your time was spent on Fields, instead of trying any of the perimeter road bars. Gecko's still does a good business, one of the few Fields bars that can say such during this tourist drought. In the past few days, nothing much has changed, very few tourists and most of the bars are quite, but many many many girls. Specials being run all over town with many bars just trying to capture their overhead (so it appears). One Fields bar (can't remember the name) was offerring two drinks for the price of one, but that deal just about puts them in line with everyday pricing at the Perimeter road bars.
Your search for the cutiest and cheapest girl is a little hard to reply. Pricing on Fields for a Barfine is 1300 to 3000 peso, guess which girls are more expensive. On Perimeter road its 1200 peso, with the exception of the new bar Ponytails. Lady drinks are about 150 in most bars on Fields, plus or minus a few peso. Lady drinks on Perimeter are 100 to 120. Local drinks, including SML for the customer are 50 to 60 peso on Perimeter, and with some exceptions such as the Body Shop, fields pricing is around 85 peso for the same. But as stated above, many bars on Fields are offerring discounts, special happy hours and promotions to entice some customers in their door.
The downsides to Perimeter (for a visitor as opposed to a resident) are as follows:
1) You have to take a trike. I effing HATE trikes; I am too tall to ride one comfortably--and I'm not even absurdly tall (6 feet even). Same applies to jeepneys. Biggest turnoff for me. And if you're taking trikes, you're eating into the money you're saving on drinks, especially if you take multiple trikes--say Fields to Candy Bar, Candy Bar to Honeyko's, Honeyko's to Roadie's, Roadie's to Stargate, Stargate to Fields. You can walk most of that during daylight, but I wouldn't recommend it after dark.
2) Sure, Perimeter's regular prices are about the same as Fields happy hour prices, but happy hours happen quite frequently. Voodoo and Dollhouse (ugh) are happy hour literally 50% of the time, 6am to 6pm. When they stop, Roadhouse starts. When Roadhouse stops, Valhalla starts. And on and on.
3) You need to do your barhops early on Perimeter. You can't start at 8pm. That's about 6 hours too late. I went to Eruption once at 8pm...dead. Very few girls, and no GREAT girls. The one hot one left I assumed was on menstruation (I had a barfine already, so I didn't bother to ask). If there's a Perimeter bar that's a great time at 8-10pm I'd love to hear about it. On top of the previously mentioned transportation issue, this is the other decision maker for me. Afternoon barhop? Perimeter is great. Evening barhop? I can't imagine heading out there.
4) Some of the bars are very small, and it doesn't take many customers to become crowded. Now I love small bars and prefer them very very much, but as mentioned above, the residents frequent these bars, and they can take over a bar quite quickly. Happens frequently at Honeyko's and Matrix Brawn. I went into MB for a "good time" last trip. The backroom door was closed, and 3 other guys were in the bar. I didn't even bother to ask if they were waiting for their turns, I just moved on.
I don't mean to slag Perimeter bars; I always have great times there. I do a barhop there at least once per trip if not twice. But what you pay the extra money for on Fields is convenience. It's why a gallon of milk costs more at 7-11 than at your grocery store. With my preferences and activities, I figure a Fields barhop costs me at most $10 or $15 more than a Perimeter barhop. An extra dollar per drink (lady or customer), and an extra $3 for the barfine? I can live with that.
@Matius/Rob - That is great that there is very few tourists there. Does that mean I will have many opportunities to choose and pick very attractive stunners since there won't be any competition to go against? :D
I'm thinking I will need about $500 for my entire time there in the Philippines. I will be staying at my friend's house so food and lodging will be free. The only money I will be spending is on girls if I can't get any for free. But like I said, my friend is a resident of the Philippines and he lives in Olongapo. Unless he can get me many different girls for free or cheap then I will probably BF a different girl everyday. So, I think $500 is enough (I don't drink). Heck I might even be able to get by on much cheaper than that. I know on my last trip there, I barfined a girl but then after that I just got her number and went hung out for a couple of days for 'free'. (daily sex included) I just had to feed her. I've heard of guys just skipping the BF altogether and just getting the girls' numbers and meeting them at their place after the girl finishes work. making it even cheaper... i'll see how it goes.
I'll probably avoid Perimeter since it seems like an unnecessary extra but I do want to try blow row at least once since it is close to Fields and this time I'll try a lot of bars instead of only two.
Dars Veider
01-14-10, 14:19
There is now a new bus service available. From Swagman Travel with pick-up and drop-off service in Angeles
Angeles – Manila – Angeles: 3 times daily
Costs: 600 PHP
Takes 2 hours
Angeles – Subic – Angeles: once each Monday, Wednesday and Friday
Have not used the service
Details see jpg
Dars Veider
01-14-10, 14:23
Scans of the latest Angeles map with all the bars and clubs.
White Whale
01-14-10, 19:36
The downsides to Perimeter (for a visitor as opposed to a resident) are as follows:
3) You need to do your barhops early on Perimeter. You can't start at 8pm. That's about 6 hours too late. I went to Eruption once at 8pm...dead. Very few girls, and no GREAT girls. The one hot one left I assumed was on menstruation (I had a barfine already, so I didn't bother to ask). If there's a Perimeter bar that's a great time at 8-10pm I'd love to hear about it. On top of the previously mentioned transportation issue, this is the other decision maker for me. Afternoon barhop? Perimeter is great. Evening barhop? I can't imagine heading out there.
Please correct me if I am wrong... To my recollection (deep) Perimeter bars are opened earlier already daytime but they also close earlier - most closed 1am?
There is now a new bus service available. From Swagman Travel with pick-up and drop-off service in Angeles
Nothing new about Swagman bus service to AC although their airport service is newly advertised. About a year ago I think I paid 300 php to the airport in a nice new van. Has anybody used the airport service lately?
To my recollection (deep) Perimeter bars are opened earlier already daytime but they also close earlier - most closed 1am?
You are correct sir!
The downsides to Perimeter (for a visitor as opposed to a resident) are as follows:
1) You have to take a trike. I effing HATE trikes; I am too tall to ride one comfortably--
Returned to AC back in November after over a year absence and stayed at Clarkton Hotel. Everything was excellent about the suite I was assigned. Was also very satisfied with the pool, food and internet connection. You can walk to many of the Perimeter bars but to my surprise Clarkton had free shuttle service to Fields. Leaving every half hour in a Toyota van, they drop you at a their store front waiting area across from all the bars. It ran very late I believe untill 3:00 am; very conveinant!
I do a barhop there at least once per trip if not twice.
I don't get it. Why once or twice only?
I usually barhop there every day. After lunch I go for ST bringing back one or two girls in my room for a couple of hours, then let them go and some rest, 7-8pm then dinner and afterwards partying in Fields and picking up a nice, warm pillow for the night. :D
With my preferences and activities, I figure a Fields barhop costs me at most $10 or $15 more than a Perimeter barhop. An extra dollar per drink (lady or customer), and an extra $3 for the barfine? I can live with that.
Me too. When I'm on holiday I don't mind about some bucks.
Nice weekend to all!
Cheers!
The downsides to Perimeter (for a visitor as opposed to a resident) are as follows:.
Number one rule of an experienced tourist is to follow the locals for the best value for money. True for the ski slopes in Europe, as it is true for the entertainment in Angeles.
1) You have to take a trike. I effing HATE trikes; I am too tall to ride one comfortably--and I'm not even absurdly tall (6 feet even). Same applies to jeepneys. Biggest turnoff for me. And if you're taking trikes, you're eating into the money you're saving on drinks, especially if you take multiple trikes--say Fields to Candy Bar, Candy Bar to Honeyko's, Honeyko's to Roadie's, Roadie's to Stargate, Stargate to Fields. You can walk most of that during daylight, but I wouldn't recommend it after dark..
The Perimeter road district is much more spread out than Fields and the bars suggested above are one end of Perimeter to the other. One can walk from Pony tails, to Stampede, to Cherry's bar, to Brass Knobb, to Eruption, to Dr. Holmes, to Gentlemen's club, to Touch of Class, to Emotions, all in about five minutes if in reasonable health. I don't know all the bars in this area, but one can walk from Sunshine bar, to Bare Assets, to Candy Bar, to Bada Bing, in two minutes. Same for Foxy Bar, to Nasty Duck, to Fire and Ice, to Sea Dreams, to Midnight Rock, to Happy Rock, and again I've probably omitted more bars in that area. But agree Fields is much more concentrated.
One can also take a Jeepney, which is bigger and less costly, a trike just provides the most direct transportation without stops.
I walk on a regular basis at night in the Perimeter road district. Outside of over a year old report about a guy getting killed for messing with a Filipino's girlfriend, I've not heard of any victimization of tourists on Perimeter at night. And if you are drunk and not in a good state, most Perimeter road bar owners will help ensure you get home in a good condition, find the bar owner in many Fields bars--they are never there.
2) Sure, Perimeter's regular prices are about the same as Fields happy hour prices, but happy hours happen quite frequently. Voodoo and Dollhouse (ugh) are happy hour literally 50% of the time, 6am to 6pm. When they stop, Roadhouse starts. When Roadhouse stops, Valhalla starts. And on and on..
And Perimeter Road Happy Hour prices are lower than Fields Happy hour prices, and you don't have to search from bar to bar on Perimeter trying to find that reasonable price. And Perimeter road offers Happy hour from about 2 (some even earlier) to seven or eight PM. And if one is cost concious as many tourists are, why pay a $1 more for the same brand of beer, to see the same quality of girls and the same (in many cases) quality of bar venue.
3) You need to do your barhops early on Perimeter. You can't start at 8pm. That's about 6 hours too late. I went to Eruption once at 8pm...dead. Very few girls, and no GREAT girls. The one hot one left I assumed was on menstruation (I had a barfine already, so I didn't bother to ask). If there's a Perimeter bar that's a great time at 8-10pm I'd love to hear about it. On top of the previously mentioned transportation issue, this is the other decision maker for me. Afternoon barhop? Perimeter is great. Evening barhop? I can't imagine heading out there..
This is dated information and part of urban legend. Perimeter road has a number of morning and afternoon bars, such as Cherry's and Honeyko (both bars have some real stunners on their stage). Nasty Duck on Perimeter also has some real stunners. Candy Bar goes all night, as does Eruption Bar, the later closes at midnight and last time I was in there (yesterday) they had over 30 girls on stage, most were new in the last couple of months, and some real stunners. Saw two guys take out six bar fines at 9 PM. Stampede also goes till midnight. And after an evening of partying, come the midnight hour, there is always the 50 peso ($1 plus) trike ride or even less by Jeepney to Fields for bars that stay open till 3 am. Or walk, depending on where you are at, the "Fields" aveneu bars start around Insomnia, whiich is only a couple of blocks down from arguably the best hotel in Angeles (The ABC Hotel). The best of both worlds.
And this might make sense also, many guys, by midnight, have found their partner/s for the evening and now seek a little rest and relaxation.
4) Some of the bars are very small, and it doesn't take many customers to become crowded. Now I love small bars and prefer them very very much, but as mentioned above, the residents frequent these bars, and they can take over a bar quite quickly. Happens frequently at Honeyko's and Matrix Brawn. I went into MB for a "good time" last trip. The backroom door was closed, and 3 other guys were in the bar. I didn't even bother to ask if they were waiting for their turns, I just moved on..
Oh, ok you site Honeyko's and Matrix Brawn as examples, give me a break, these are hole in the wall bars that have not had a coat of paint in years. And by the way, Honeyko's is very popular due to the crazy things that happen when the owner gets the girls going, I love this bar. Matrix Brawn is popular as being the Perimeter road equivalent (as is Rio, Nifty's and few others) of blow row on Fields. The other bars you mention on Fields (above) with the exception of the Dollhouse bars, are equally hole in the wall bars, that more fit the stereotype you paint of the Perimeter road bars. And as far as the back rooms, you have any idea how many bars, both on Fields and Perimeter road that have short time rooms, waiting turns could be said about any number of venues in both districts.
Then let's talk about some of these hole in the wall Perimeter bars. Displays of nudity are illegal in Angeles City. I won't mention the bars in this forum, but on Fields, the best you will get is some body paint and maybe see thru top. There are venues on Perimeter, well known that close the doors, that anything can happen for a few peso. Lesbian, blowjob on the couch, partial to full nudity, boom boom in the corner. Not my thing per se, but you won't find that on Fields, except for blow row.
The residents take over the bars: What does that mean, except to say the people that live here, day in and day out, know the best bars to go to for fun and value. You make it sound like a bunch of vagrants moving from one crack ***** to another. A vast number of girls on Perimeter road, have worked at one time on Fields, and the locals know this and refused to pay a 3000 peso bar fine last week for the same girl that now costs 1200 peso on Perimeter this week. And if you want to talk about Dollhouse, look at the pricing of their girls on Fields, then they move the very same girls to Pony Tails on Perimeter, the only thing that changes is the barfine price.
I don't mean to slag Perimeter bars; I always have great times there. I do a barhop there at least once per trip if not twice. But what you pay the extra money for on Fields is convenience. It's why a gallon of milk costs more at 7-11 than at your grocery store. With my preferences and activities, I figure a Fields barhop costs me at most $10 or $15 more than a Perimeter barhop. An extra dollar per drink (lady or customer), and an extra $3 for the barfine? I can live with that.
And I make no excuses for being partial to Perimeter road, being a local resident, and more than enough money to do any bar in any district. But I don't do my grocery shopping at 7-11, and think you even do the Fields bars a dis-service by that comparison.
The only way a Fields bar hop costs you only $10 to $15 more than a Perimeter road bar is if you frequent the small bars on Fields (which are similar in quality to Perimeter road small bars), you don't buy volumes of lady drinks or bar fines, and you attend only during their happy hours or special promotions. You don't bar fine the show girls which cost upwards of 3000 and will expect 1 to 2,000 in tip afterward. In fact don't go to the show bars except to nurse your personal drink and that of your girlfriend.
I think any tourist misses a great opportunity if they don't go to the Fields bars. Some have great shows. The big bars (they are more expensive than being suggested here) have a huge number of girls. There is hardly a week that goes by that I don't go to at least one Fields bar, but often guys are on a budget and best value for money is on Perimeter, as a general statement about a district. There is plenty of entertainment through most of the day and into the night, and plenty of time to do both Perimeter and Fields if you go from sunrise to sunrise.
@Matius - excellent write up. You just convinced me to switch to Perimeter bars this time especially since you are sure that it is safe to walk around at night. Safety is a major concern of mine right behind being ultra frugal. Also, you stated there are a good number of stunners at the Perimeter bars which is great since another poster here said that there aren't many tourists in Angeles City. I speak Tagalog and Ilocano so hopefully I should blend right in with the locals. So I shouldn't pay anything over 1200 pesos on Perimeter even for the stunners, right? but for girls that aren't stunners, I should pay maybe 500-600 pesos (1200 for stunners) or less you think since I can pass as filipino? and tipping is voluntary also, right?
Now, about this anything goes in Perimeter bars stuff. I am very much an exhibitionist so that is right up my alley. When I am in the Perimeter bars should I just go for it or should I give the girls a couple of pesos before I do the deed in front of everyone in the bar(s)? And how much pesos should I give her? Does this depend on if I only want boom boom in the bar in front of everyone or if I plan on taking her with me also? Although I could probably get away with boom boom in the bar for cheap, get her number and then meet up with her after she gets off.... (just a thought)
@Dars Veider - does that map you posted include the bars on Perimeter or only on Fields?
So, where is Perimeter anyway. I have found two maps online. Here is one of Fields:
http://www.acmap.com/fields_complete.asp
I know the above map well. I recognize a lot of the places there. so I have no problem with Fields. Here is a map of Perimeter:
http://www.acmap.com/map.asp?map=p5
I do not know that area. I have been looking at other maps and I think that in order to get to Perimeter from Fields you take a jeepney from the terminal that is close to the Chow King. With the Chow king in FRONT of you, you take a jeepney heading to your RIGHT. You just keep going straight until you see some bars. From the way it looks on the map if you are young like I am then you can actually walk from Fields to the Perimeter bars. From one end to the other. I'm in the military so long hikes are nothing for me. I think I will probably walk from one end to the other daily. That way I'll get my PT in for the day also. But I'll take the jeepney after I choose which girls I'll be taking home. :D
Rob Woodrow
01-15-10, 08:27
@Matius/Rob - That is great that there is very few tourists there. Does that mean I will have many opportunities to choose and pick very attractive stunners since there won't be any competition to go against? :D
"It depends." I said few tourists; I didn't say few PEOPLE. Residents flock to the Perimeter bars. But still, I found a hottie at Nifty's of all places last trip. I didn't barfine her, though, and I'm still kicking myself for it. But if you're heading to Perimeter for more stunners you're heading there for the wrong reason. I'm not saying there aren't any; I'm saying there aren't any in greater numbers. When I go, I go for variety or for the spécialité de la maison.
@Matius: I fear you may have taken my post in a way I didn't intend. I really meant no disrespect to residents at all. In fact, I envy them, not to mention the fact that I consider some of them friends. My comment about residents taking over bars was an observation, not a complaint. Everyone is free to choose what they want in my book! A large number of customers (regardless of origin) in a small bar tends to crowd the bar--that's all I meant. My larger point is that there are reasons that residents tend to visit Perimeter, and tourists tend to visit Fields.
Sure, Emotions isn't far out, but the distance from Kokomo's to Emotions is about 1/4 the distance from Kokomo's to the LIA/Wee George's/Roadie's complex.
I'm glad to hear that Candy Bar goes all night. I wrote before that Eruption was dead at 8pm but I meant Emotions (one of those bars should really change its name). Maybe it was an off-night. I've been in Eruption before, though, when it would have been cheaper to barfine the entire stage than to ring the bell (residents taking over, again). And even if Candy Bar is happening, can you really recommend starting a Perimeter barhop at 8pm to a guy who only has one week in town? And I don't mean Checkpoint bars like Cherry's, I mean real Perimeter bars. I'm talking about starting at LIA at 8pm and working your way east.
I stand by my $15 dollar figure. $1 per drink, on average (50 pesos versus 95 pesos or 100 LD versus 150 LD), $3 per barfine on average (1200 pesos versus 1350 pesos). No, I don't pay 3000, ever. $15 difference amounts to two barfines and three rounds of drinks for all three of us. Or one barfine and six rounds of drinks for both of us. It's usually more like one barfine, 2-3 rounds of drinks for both of us, and 5-6 for only me while I'm hunting--which works out to at most $12 extra. And it's frequently less than that if I hit happy hour bars.
At no point did I ever deny that Perimeter bars are fun. They are quite fun. And yes, they're cheaper! One time (in a bar that will remain nameless) I had some girls asking for LD's. I told them I would buy drinks for the ones with kalbo pek-peks--and they had to show me. That cost me 600 pesos but you can't get that in most Fields bars.
But now I am going to tease you a little bit: I am amused that you keep talking about how much cheaper Perimeter is than Fields, but you plug ABC Hotel, which I think is the largest waste of money in town. A tourist could barfine one of those 3000 peso showgirls every day for the amount he'd save by staying at another hotel.
Anyway, it's all good. I didn't intend to flame the residents. I'll probably be in town next week. If you'd like to prove me wrong, guide me on a barhop! But no way will I start at LIA at 8.
Rob Woodrow
01-15-10, 08:42
@Matius - excellent write up. You just convinced me to switch to Perimeter bars this time especially since you are sure that it is safe to walk around at night. Safety is a major concern of mine right behind being ultra frugal. Also, you stated there are a good number of stunners at the Perimeter bars which is great since another poster here said that there aren't many tourists in Angeles City. I speak Tagalog and Ilocano so hopefully I should blend right in with the locals. So I shouldn't pay anything over 1200 pesos on Perimeter even for the stunners, right? but for girls that aren't stunners, I should pay maybe 500-600 pesos (1200 for stunners) or less you think since I can pass as filipino? and tipping is voluntary also, right?
Now, about this anything goes in Perimeter bars stuff. I am very much an exhibitionist so that is right up my alley. When I am in the Perimeter bars should I just go for it or should I give the girls a couple of pesos before I do the deed in front of everyone in the bar(s)? And how much pesos should I give her? Does this depend on if I only want boom boom in the bar in front of everyone or if I plan on taking her with me also? Although I could probably get away with boom boom in the bar for cheap, get her number and then meet up with her after she gets off.... (just a thought)
If you can pass for Filipino you will probably not get ANY of that, because they will think you are a cop, or that you will tell their relatives. In fact your very presence in bars will cause the atmosphere to instantly become more conservative. I am not passing judgment; I am merely stating what I've seen. The girls don't like it when Filipino guys (other than employees) are present. It's not an insurmountable obstacle, though.
Barfine is fixed price, for stunners and fuglies.
And Matius is a brave man. Even many residents that I know wouldn't recommend walking Perimeter at night. Sure, the odds of an incident are low, but I only have to die one time for it to ruin my barhop. Then again, if you can pass for Filipino you'll probably be OK.
'Barfine is fixed price, for stunners and fuglies.' <- I don't know if that is true but if it is then that's crap because who decides which girls are stunners/fuglies?? And it seems like you're saying on Fields regular girls are 1350 pesos and stunners are 3000 pesos while on Perimeter regular girls are 1200 pesos and stunners are ?
If my parameters are correct regarding where Perimeter is then I can definitely understand why you exhort NOT to walk around Perimeter at night. the reasons are the same that you don't walk around shady areas in the USA at night. It isn't lit very well and there aren't a lot of people walking around at night. That is a formula for disaster in any shady area of the world. Maybe I'll do Perimeter for the daytime action and if I haven't found a stunner for the day by 7pm (sunset) then I'll continue the search on Fields.
Rubberyman
01-15-10, 12:32
'Barfine is fixed price, for stunners and fuglies.' <- I don't know if that is true but if it is then that's crap because who decides which girls are stunners/fuglies?? And it seems like you're saying on Fields regular girls are 1350 pesos and stunners are 3000 pesos while on Perimeter regular girls are 1200 pesos and stunners are ?
What he is referring to is a tiered pricing system in some Fields bars. ie they have different prices for different ladies. Whether the more expensive lady is more beautiful than the cheaper one depends on your taste imo. In most bars however, the barfine is the same whether the lady is beautiful or ugly. But again, that is a matter of taste.
I guess what he was getting at is that in some bars you can point to different ladies and get different barfine prices, no matter what they look like - in other bars the price is the same no matter what they look like.
There's a bit of sales psychology at work here too. You can put two identical products side by side in a store and some people will choose the more expensive one. (Think generic aspirin vs brand name aspirin - it's the exact same stuff but people think that if they pay more they must be getting more). That's what some bars are doing imo. By placing a higher price on some ladies, there are always guys who will choose those ladies, and then rationalise to hell and back why they are better. Good for them I say, but I will never ever do that unless the woman so priced really tightens my nuts in a way that nobody else in any of the other bars does....hasn't happened yet. :)
ThatGuy865
01-15-10, 13:02
'Barfine is fixed price, for stunners and fuglies.' <- I don't know if that is true but if it is then that's crap because who decides which girls are stunners/fuglies?? And it seems like you're saying on Fields regular girls are 1350 pesos and stunners are 3000 pesos while on Perimeter regular girls are 1200 pesos and stunners are ?
If my parameters are correct regarding where Perimeter is then I can definitely understand why you exhort NOT to walk around Perimeter at night. the reasons are the same that you don't walk around shady areas in the USA at night. It isn't lit very well and there aren't a lot of people walking around at night. That is a formula for disaster in any shady area of the world. Maybe I'll do Perimeter for the daytime action and if I haven't found a stunner for the day by 7pm (sunset) then I'll continue the search on Fields.It simple to understand. On fields they have what they have defined as cultural and spotlight dancers (which for some reason guys have defined them as stunners) to me quite a few have nothing stunning about them. But thats a matter of taste. But the bar makes the designation,. Those are your 3000 pesos BF's. The rest of the girls in the fields bars will be 1350.
In smaller bars on fields where there are no cultural dancers, then all girls are 1300 to 1350. Beauty is then a matter of taste.
On Perimeter bars, where there are no cultural dancers, then all girls are 1200 to 1300. Beauty is in the eyes of the beer holder.
So on Perimeter what maybe a stunner to you, may not be to the guy sitting next to you. If you like her, BF her. No one can truely define beauty for all. That is strictly a matter of taste.
And definite very few people I know walk the perimeter roads at night. There are 2 to 3 small bars close together but then a big gap between the next 2 to 3 bars and thats when you need a trike or jeepney.
Even looking like a pinoy might not help. I don't know if they even report pinoys being robbed and if they did would the news spread thru the tourist community. I doubt it.
Phantomtiger2
01-16-10, 01:48
http://www.acmap.com/fields_complete.asp[/url]
I know the above map well. I recognize a lot of the places there. so I have no problem with Fields. Here is a map of Perimeter:
http://www.acmap.com/map.asp?map=p5
I do not know that area. I have been looking at other maps and I think that in order to get to Perimeter from Fields you take a jeepney from the terminal that is close to the Chow King. With the Chow king in FRONT of you, you take a jeepney heading to your RIGHT. You just keep going straight until you see some bars. From the way it looks on the map if you are young like I am then you can actually walk from Fields to the Perimeter bars. From one end to the other. I'm in the military so long hikes are nothing for me. I think I will probably walk from one end to the other daily. That way I'll get my PT in for the day also. But I'll take the jeepney after I choose which girls I'll be taking home. :D
Most of what is Perimeter (BARS) is the 2nd map you listed. And yes, you can easily walk from Fields to Perimeter in about 15-20min. Daytime is fine and even early evening when there is more foot and vehicle traffic but gets very lonely and dark at late night.
PT
I'm wanting to meet freelancers in Angeles City.
What places to they frequent?
Rob Woodrow
01-16-10, 07:28
What he is referring to is a tiered pricing system in some Fields bars. ie they have different prices for different ladies. Whether the more expensive lady is more beautiful than the cheaper one depends on your taste imo. In most bars however, the barfine is the same whether the lady is beautiful or ugly. But again, that is a matter of taste.
I guess what he was getting at is that in some bars you can point to different ladies and get different barfine prices, no matter what they look like - in other bars the price is the same no matter what they look like.
There's a bit of sales psychology at work here too. You can put two identical products side by side in a store and some people will choose the more expensive one. (Think generic aspirin vs brand name aspirin - it's the exact same stuff but people think that if they pay more they must be getting more). That's what some bars are doing imo. By placing a higher price on some ladies, there are always guys who will choose those ladies, and then rationalise to hell and back why they are better. Good for them I say, but I will never ever do that unless the woman so priced really tightens my nuts in a way that nobody else in any of the other bars does....hasn't happened yet. :)
The biggest constant, objective thing I notice about the 3000 peso girls is that they are taller. That is not necessarily better. I got pulled onto the stage at CP where the girls starting giving me a lap dance. One of the girls was downright ugly, and I was wondering how in the hell she was worth 3000 pesos. Then she turned around and shoved her ass in my lap--she was very much a doggie girl, because from that angle I had to say she looked pretty good. But I had a date already and I don't do 3000 pesos.
One manager on another board claimed that the reason the barfine is 3000 pesos is because they don't want their showgirls being barfined early, because then they won't have a show. I called BS and said they did it because they CAN, but not until much later did I realize it's even worse if what he said was true. Those barfines are 3000 pesos because they DO NOT want you to barfine the girls. Bars that don't want you to barfine girls. Who needs that?
Rubberyman
01-16-10, 11:17
Those barfines are 3000 pesos because they DO NOT want you to barfine the girls. Bars that don't want you to barfine girls. Who needs that?
Now THERE's a reason to boycott bars if ever I saw one.
Forget being beaten senseless for no reason like at the Dollhouse.
Forget the padded bills.
Forget the shitty attitude...
BUT...
Bars that structure their operations because they don't want us to get pussy or we get less pussy - now there's a whole REAL reason for a boycott! LOL.
ThatGuy865
01-16-10, 20:01
Now THERE's a reason to boycott bars if ever I saw one.
Forget being beaten senseless for no reason like at the Dollhouse.
Forget the padded bills.
Forget the shitty attitude.
BUT.
Bars that structure their operations because they don't want us to get pussy or we get less pussy. Now there's a whole REAL reason for a boycott! LOL.Yeah YOU're right. I say why don't all of you just stay out of AC all together. Go to Cebu. Go to Subic. Go any where. And leave AC to the guys who don't mind the way it is. Damn, whinnin like little girls. I don't like this. Boycott. They beat up someone. Boycott. Ooo my bill was too high. Boycott. The girls all says they on there men's. Boycott. I say Boycott AC and stay the hell away if its that bad.
Other possible reasons for the showgirl / 3000 peso trend:
The girls can say that they are show girls, not go go girls who are for rent!
Some gals might not want to bar fine every night for whatever reason. This may be partly a recruitment strategy. Some women might be more likely to take jobs as a show girls which doesn't include the EWR -- but then the bar and other girls groom them for the good stuff.
X
The biggest constant, objective thing I notice about the 3000 peso girls is that they are taller. That is not necessarily better. I got pulled onto the stage at CP where the girls starting giving me a lap dance. One of the girls was downright ugly, and I was wondering how in the hell she was worth 3000 pesos. Then she turned around and shoved her ass in my lap--she was very much a doggie girl, because from that angle I had to say she looked pretty good. But I had a date already and I don't do 3000 pesos.
One manager on another board claimed that the reason the barfine is 3000 pesos is because they don't want their showgirls being barfined early, because then they won't have a show. I called BS and said they did it because they CAN, but not until much later did I realize it's even worse if what he said was true. Those barfines are 3000 pesos because they DO NOT want you to barfine the girls. Bars that don't want you to barfine girls. Who needs that?
ThatGuy865
01-17-10, 06:12
Other possible reasons for the showgirl / 3000 peso trend:
The girls can say that they are show girls, not go go girls who are for rent!
Some gals might not want to bar fine every night for whatever reason. This may be partly a recruitment strategy. Some women might be more likely to take jobs as a show girls which doesn't include the EWR. But then the bar and other girls groom them for the good stuff.
XEWR is included for every female in the bar. NO exceptions. They don't go because they are getting paid well and don't need to go. Most of these girls don't want to sell ass, Its just a necessity for most. They just want to make decent money or find a gold mine by marrying a foreigner. I can't blame them for saying no to alot of the guys. Too many of the guys are old, out of shape, looking to disrepect the girls.
Spotlight dancers make 340 a day. That is more than any Mall worker or McDonald/Jolleebee worker. If they get 1 or 2 LD's in a day along with their pay they are well off. They can afford to turn down guys and only go with the guys they want to got with.
Rubberyman
01-17-10, 07:40
Yeah YOU're right. I say why don't all of you just stay out of AC all together. Go to Cebu. Go to Subic. Go any where. And leave AC to the guys who don't mind the way it is. Damn, whinnin like little girls. I don't like this. Boycott. They beat up someone. Boycott. Ooo my bill was too high. Boycott. The girls all says they on there men's. Boycott. I say Boycott AC and stay the hell away if its that bad.
LOLOL!!!
Who the heck ever said boycott Angeles? LOL. *snort*
Everyone was talking about boycotting the DH Group.
However, if you feel so strongly, heh, why don't you just stay away from the normal bars in Fields and Perimeter where there are managers on site to sort out bad staff behaviour, and go spend all your time in DHGroup bars? Padded bills, ladies with attitude, bouncers and all?
That way, you can be happy, and the rest of us can go get laid at a lower cost/risk and we can be happy too.
See! Happy days all round, and no 'whinning' at all, at all.
But of course, if as a result of the high profile bars attracting attention from foreign embassies etc etc, the authorities feel they have to act to shut some places down, I hope you won't whine. These places need to keep a low profile...and DHG is not doing that.
I'll go to AC again in February, I'm pretty sure to have a good time.
Also with DHG, I don't mind, sometimes I like the shows, take some pictures etc.
Never had trouble or a wrong bill there, at least I'm not aware of any.
If all of you boycott, hehe, more choice for me... :D
Cheers!
ok, so what are the bars in the Dollhouse group? I just want to make sure that I avoid those bars. I've been to Dollhouse only once. Waste of time in my opinion. As soon as I heard the price of the barfine for one of the girls, I finished the free popcorn and got the hell outta there. I'm guessing that Voodoo is in the DH group of bars. I only say this because I got so freaking angry at that stupid guy who kept trying to tell me which girls I should take home. I was like '[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off', I choose who I want to take not you! but there were a couple of lookers there....
Rob Woodrow
01-17-10, 09:35
ok, so what are the bars in the Dollhouse group? I just want to make sure that I avoid those bars. I've been to Dollhouse only once. Waste of time in my opinion. As soon as I heard the price of the barfine for one of the girls, I finished the free popcorn and got the hell outta there. I'm guessing that Voodoo is in the DH group of bars. I only say this because I got so freaking angry at that stupid guy who kept trying to tell me which girls I should take home. I was like '[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off', I choose who I want to take not you! but there were a couple of lookers there....
Check out Harry the Horse's January newsletter, it has them all listed.
Voodoo isn't one of them. I'm surprised the manager there was pestering you. I know the managers there, and I can't imagine them doing that unless you asked for help. Are you sure that the guy bothering you was an employee?
I found Voodoo very unpleasant as well. The mama was insistent that I pick someone or at least sit with someone. She became irritated when I said I just wanted to watch the show and drink my beer. I stayed about five minutes and walked out without finishing my beer. X
ok, so what are the bars in the Dollhouse group? I just want to make sure that I avoid those bars. I've been to Dollhouse only once. Waste of time in my opinion. As soon as I heard the price of the barfine for one of the girls, I finished the free popcorn and got the hell outta there. I'm guessing that Voodoo is in the DH group of bars. I only say this because I got so freaking angry at that stupid guy who kept trying to tell me which girls I should take home. I was like '[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off', I choose who I want to take not you! but there were a couple of lookers there....
Sleepy Floyd
01-20-10, 03:24
Can anyone recommend a reliable place to get a full range of STD tests in Angeles? I know there are lots of clinics around, but I've heard stories of foreigners being fleeced with possible false positives and having unnecessary overpriced meds pushed on them and obviously want to avoid these scams.
EWR is included for every female in the bar. NO exceptions. They don't go because they are getting paid well and don't need to go. Most of these girls don't want to sell ass, Its just a necessity for most. They just want to make decent money or find a gold mine by marrying a foreigner. I can't blame them for saying no to alot of the guys. Too many of the guys are old, out of shape, looking to disrepect the girls.
Spotlight dancers make 340 a day. That is more than any Mall worker or McDonald/Jolleebee worker. If they get 1 or 2 LD's in a day along with their pay they are well off. They can afford to turn down guys and only go with the guys they want to got with.
Agreed! Even the regular girls are free to decide who they sleep with. I was in a perimeter bar recently where a guy became irate when the girl declined his offer. Apparently he was under the impression that none of the girls can say no. They are free agents despite working where they do.
Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but, being in shape relative to one's age and, clean and interesting does carry some points with the girls.
Happy hunting!
Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but, being in shape relative to one's age and, clean and interesting does carry some points with the girls.
Happy hunting!
I second that! I have never ever believed any of the mumbo jumbo that some posters state when they say that age or looks isn't a factor in AC or in the PI in general. Money talks but being young and handsome works wonders as well I would think.
Can anyone recommend a reliable place to get a full range of STD tests in Angeles? I know there are lots of clinics around, but I've heard stories of foreigners being fleeced with possible false positives and having unnecessary overpriced meds pushed on them and obviously want to avoid these scams.Try Dr de Guzman. He works at the Community Medical Service. Blue sign. Go from Japanese Restaurant NIJI direction Friendship.
Rubberyman
01-21-10, 00:30
I second that! I have never ever believed any of the mumbo jumbo that some posters state when they say that age or looks isn't a factor in AC or in the PI in general. Money talks but being young and handsome works wonders as well I would think.
Well, I am late fifties, balding and overweight.
Never ever have a problem pulling in girls around nineteen - twenty age, slim, cute looks. Maybe one or two don't pass the 'interview' or politely decline, but never really had a problem - and a much better strike rate than when I was in my twenties, had hair and was fit and trying to pull in civilians. Oh, and I don't pay high tips either - normally only trike fare for overnighters and clothes/presents for long termers. (obeying the three day rule of course).
But then I never try to barfine from the DH groups. Oh, and don't assume they want younger guys there either - just check out the excuses they come up with posted by many different posters on this board - not all of whom are old farts like me.
You can just confirm what I say by going to the mall and having a look at the romantic books they read - all of them show young PINOYs on the cover. ie they really lust after pinoys, so a young and fit western guy has only marginal advantage over an old western fart.
The advantage that most of us old western farts have over younger guys is often that we treat the ladies with more respect.
If you think that you will do better by going to the more expensive places where the ladies get paid so much they can be really choosy, then that is fine. However, I bet your success (or otherwise) rate will be just as good elsewhere.
On my last trip, for example, I met this Aussie on an old age pension (which sucks) who had just moved into Angeles. He had a beautiful 18YO move in with him within a week. Poor sod. Doesn't he know he could have a different one every night?
I'm wanting to meet freelancers in Angeles City.
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First, I don't recommend going this route while in AC because they could be more trouble than anything else. More chances of theft, and possible set up for a "sting" to get more money from you. If you read back a bit, you will find that even established ladies from some established bars have occassionly ripped off some mongers so just think what a FL can do.
Shark
Strikesfun
01-21-10, 15:11
You can kid yourself that late 50 or in 60 male means something more to a 20 year old women than a 20+ male, but the truth is it is called money. There are other common sense reasons, at 60+ you pop once sure maybe takes longer but then you sleep longer, a 20 yr old male will go all night. These girls know this, you will probably repeat for a few days. This does not apply to all but in general, these young women are very very smart and wiser to the game in AC compared to the average 50 - 60 year old male. smile
SuperSteve
01-21-10, 18:24
IMHO................
Life is what I choose to make of it.
I am one of the old f*rts (62). I am generally the oldest of the group of guys that I travel with. So far we have been to Costa Rica, Medellin, TJ, and now my first time in the PI, with Peru and possibly LOS (if the flight to PI doesn't kill me).
Many, if not most, of the younger gentlemen (LOL) have a hard time keeping up with me. That is both good, and bad. It means that I probably drink too much, so have built up a tolerance.
As far as the ladies go, it can be a big plus. The think that because of my age, I will be quick. As many have said, "No es Verdad". I'm as much of a dog as I was in my twenties. Put a smoking hot, hard, body in front of me, and "Houston, we have lift off"!!
My last trip to TJ, two weeks ago, I went arriba with one of the Adelita dancers, and lets say no lube was needed. My next trip to TJ will be Superbowl weekend. If anyone would like to meet up, PM me.
If one has money in their pocket, and understands what a woman enjoys in la cama (they are all different), age has no bearing on what happens when naked.
Would they like it more if I was twenty something, possibly. Yet I see mongers in all destinations that have the deer in the headlights looking at hot women. There is no way that they can out perform me in la cama, due to their own insecurities.
Feel free to flame me, I have on my asbestos shorts toady!!
Health & happiness to all.............
Rubberyman
01-22-10, 01:26
You can kid yourself that late 50 or in 60 male means something more to a 20 year old women than a 20+ male, but the truth is it is called money. There are other common sense reasons, at 60+ you pop once sure maybe takes longer but then you sleep longer, a 20 yr old male will go all night. These girls know this, you will probably repeat for a few days. This does not apply to all but in general, these young women are very very smart and wiser to the game in AC compared to the average 50 - 60 year old male. smile
Of course - but in AC that is really a theoretical proposition. Because there are only so many ladies you can do per night no matter how good or hansum man you are. What does it matter if a young guy could pull fifteen ladies per night compared to my ten (let's say)? Nobody I know could ever service the number of available ladies no matter how 'hansum man' they are.
The point you make is quite correct - the ladies do expect an easier time with an older guy. That is why there is no problem with older guys getting these women. What happens in the room however, maybe something else. Who can tell? It is also a reason for some frustration expressed by some younger posters here. They see old farts pulling spinnners - sometimes who have just rejected the younger guy - and get all surprised.
However, if you think it doesn't feel just as good to an old fart when he CIF/CIM etc etc as it does to a young guy - well, just wait and you will get your chance to compare when you get older yourself. :)
Really, it is only rich young Pinoys that have an advantage. And they get as much pussy as they want without going anywhere near AC.
Really, it is only rich young Pinoys that have an advantage. And they get as much pussy as they want without going anywhere near AC.
yeah, that should read -> "Really, it is only RICH people that have an advantage." but isn't that everywhere not just the P.I.. If a guy is in the minute category then he can stay where he is, no need to travel thousands of miles to get it.
You can kid yourself that late 50 or in 60 male means something more to a 20 year old women than a 20+ male, but the truth is it is called money. There are other common sense reasons, at 60+ you pop once sure maybe takes longer but then you sleep longer, a 20 yr old male will go all night. These girls know this, you will probably repeat for a few days. This does not apply to all but in general, these young women are very very smart and wiser to the game in AC compared to the average 50 - 60 year old male. smile
Agreed 100%. If ya don't agree then it's probably to make yourself feel better but who cares anyway. We're all getting older by the day anyhow. Just the fact that we, young and old, are all together chasing young sexy girls is testimont. Are you older gentleman chasing after old ass women?? I know none the young fellows I know are NOT. Ok then you honestly think it's different for women just because you all MAYBE can still go the distance? Let's get real folks, it most definitely all about the money. :)
Rubberyman
01-23-10, 00:51
Let's get real folks, it most definitely all about the money. :)
I know this is going to sound a little pedantic, so please forgive me.
Obviously money plays a big part. They would not be doing it for free with any westerner young or old - if what you see as their fantasies are in the romance books on sale in the mall.
I agree that money is important - the 'no money, no honey' rule applies obviously.
However, as many many posters here have pointed out, the ladies do NOT have to go with everyone and anyone. The ladies OFTEN exercise that right - even if they are diplomatic and say they are cherries or on mens (sometimes it is even true).
So if it was ALL about the money - why would they knock back job offers - especially from young guys?
The reason I am harping on this is that if someone goes to the PI on a noob trip and thinks it is all about the $$$ and that's ALL it is about, he will end up tripping on his dick for the first few nights wondering WTF.
Even if you have money, you will very often get a knock back if you don't treat the ladies with respect.
So money important - yes, without it you get nowhere. But ALL about money - no, even if you have heaps, you may miss out with the wrong approach.
My own experience is that even though some guys pay less in the way of tips, and are older and uglier than the average, the deciding point is often the respect they give the ladies. Treat them as if money was all it is about, and you will find your experience is not enhanced at all.
One of the aims of this board is that people don't have to learn that lesson the hard way in the PI.
Koperen Ko
01-23-10, 01:14
I know this is going to sound a little pedantic, so please forgive me.
My own experience is that even though some guys pay less in the way of tips, and are older and uglier than the average, the deciding point is often the respect they give the ladies. Treat them as if money was all it is about, and you will find your experience is not enhanced at all.
One of the aims of this board is that people don't have to learn that lesson the hard way in the PI.Very true, and this not only oes for the Phillipines.
I browse the phillipine forum just out of curiosity, having mostly experience in Indonesia, but I recognise a lot. The girls may be of negotiable virtue (thank you Reveler), but this does not mean they do not deserve respect. They are persons earning a living and should be treated as such. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.
Regards,
Ko
I know this is going to sound a little pedantic, so please forgive me.
Obviously money plays a big part. They would not be doing it for free with any westerner young or old - if what you see as their fantasies are in the romance books on sale in the mall.
I agree that money is important - the 'no money, no honey' rule applies obviously.
However, as many many posters here have pointed out, the ladies do NOT have to go with everyone and anyone. The ladies OFTEN exercise that right - even if they are diplomatic and say they are cherries or on mens (sometimes it is even true).
So if it was ALL about the money - why would they knock back job offers - especially from young guys?
The reason I am harping on this is that if someone goes to the PI on a noob trip and thinks it is all about the $$$ and that's ALL it is about, he will end up tripping on his dick for the first few nights wondering WTF.
Even if you have money, you will very often get a knock back if you don't treat the ladies with respect.
So money important - yes, without it you get nowhere. But ALL about money - no, even if you have heaps, you may miss out with the wrong approach.
My own experience is that even though some guys pay less in the way of tips, and are older and uglier than the average, the deciding point is often the respect they give the ladies. Treat them as if money was all it is about, and you will find your experience is not enhanced at all.
One of the aims of this board is that people don't have to learn that lesson the hard way in the PI.I guess you can make some connection between this behavior and the global Philippino culture. Give you an example:
In the Philippines the salary is paid TWICE per month (every two weeks) and not just once. One reason is that the employers cannot be trusted to still be there by the end of the month (so the risk is reduced), but the other reason is that the typical Philippino will take ALL the money he gets and spend it on the day he gets it. He will buy gifts, go drinking, have fun, and enjoy life. The next day he will go to find someone to lend him money to pass the next 2 weeks.
This gives you an idea on what is important to the average Philippino. It's the quality of life NOW and not some planning of the path into the future (which calls for SAVING money). This for example, is completely different than the Chinese way of thinking, where quality of life means NOTHING and the future living is EVERYTHING!
Connect it to the comments about what the WGs will prefer and you'll understand that they are looking for having fun, while somehow maintaining their family and themselves. They will be happy with just the minimum amount of money that they need for their expenses, and then choose only those work tasks which give them some pleasure and quality of life.
As for Cherries, I once had a girl at DH which was a cherry girl (also according to her card and her mamasan). She was strongly asking me to BF her, but she said clearly that she's not ready to break her cherry yet. She said we can do everything I want, just cannot have full sex. Bother her mamasan and myslef did not feel 100% comfortable about this, so I refused (and she almost cried). I made it up to her with 3 lady drinks.
UN LE70
The girls may be of negotiable virtue (thank you Reveler), but this does not mean they do not deserve respect. They are persons earning a living and should be treated as such.
Respect is earned! If they earn it, I give it. If they do a good job, then they are rewarded.
Remember their job is to serve us and EARN our money. Too many people don't understand this concept.
ie they really lust after pinoys, so a young and fit western guy has only marginal advantage over an old western fart.
In the p4p scene or outside of it?
Serve and earn? That sounds like McDonalds!
Remember their job is to serve us and EARN our money. Too many people don't understand this concept.
ie they really lust after pinoys, so a young and fit western guy has only marginal advantage over an old western fart.
ROFLMAO!! Only in your dreams, mate. Also, to address your earlier comment, when I stated it was "all about money" that was directed only at the older guys here who are in dreamland. When I say "in dreamland", I mean they think that even without money, for some reason only gods knows they feel that they have the same chances at banging sexy hots young girls as young, fit guys in their 20s. I can't even debate that point. If that isn't totally obvious then I don't know what else to say.
But I will say on another note, it makes me fear old age much more. I wish I could just stay in my twenties like I am now forever.... :(
Respect is earned! If they earn it, I give it. If they do a good job, then they are rewarded.
Remember their job is to serve us and EARN our money. Too many people don't understand this concept.
Words of the wise there, sir. Nothing is free in this world, not even respect.
ROFLMAO!! Only in your dreams, mate. Also, to address your earlier comment, when I stated it was "all about money" that was directed only at the older guys here who are in dreamland. When I say "in dreamland", I mean they think that even without money, for some reason only gods knows they feel that they have the same chances at banging sexy hots young girls as young, fit guys in their 20s. I can't even debate that point. If that isn't totally obvious then I don't know what else to say.
But I will say on another note, it makes me fear old age much more. I wish I could just stay in my twenties like I am now forever.... :(As we age some of us seem to lose our grip on reality.
ROFLMAO!! Only in your dreams, mate. Also, to address your earlier comment, when I stated it was "all about money" that was directed only at the older guys here who are in dreamland. When I say "in dreamland", I mean they think that even without money, for some reason only gods knows they feel that they have the same chances at banging sexy hots young girls as young, fit guys in their 20s. I can't even debate that point. If that isn't totally obvious then I don't know what else to say.
Laylow there is really no other way to say this other than, “You just don’t have a clue about us old toads”. I was into my 50’s when I moved to Manila in 1993 and I will guarandamntee you I nailed as many LBFM’s, (AKA Brown Eyed, Double Breasted, Split Tailed Mattress Threshers) as any 20/30 year old on this board. Likewise when I returned to the Middle Kingdom again in 2001 I was damn near 60 and any of the ISG old timers can verify my success.
I will readily admit that after I crossed the 60’s threshold my success with 20 something gals dropped and I began to hone in on the MILFs but the occasional youngster would still succumb.
Attached is a 23 y/o from Shanghai I nailed for 4 or 5 months at the ripe old age of 62
Keep it up (pun intended) and you also will be able to nail youngsters when you are into your 40’s and 50’s
ES
Rubberyman
01-24-10, 00:39
ROFLMAO!! Only in your dreams, mate.
But I will say on another note, it makes me fear old age much more. I wish I could just stay in my twenties like I am now forever.... :(
Words of the wise there, sir. Nothing is free in this world, not even respect.
Heh. Some people just cannot be told. They have to find out for themselves.
I started mongering in Thailand in 1974 when I was in MY twenties, so believe me, I have found out the hard way and am not having a go.
The good news is that even though it seems you will need to find out the hard way, that is pretty good really - you can have a lot of fun in PI and LOS. However, if you are in PI and not having fun, you can always re-read what is said by more experienced mongers. THAT is an advantage I did not have in the seventies. I had to learn by my mistakes.
You just have to go there, see old guys walking next to spinners - obviously back to the hotel....or from the hotel in the morning, to realise that getting old has its advantages. Some of these guys are Aussie old age pensioners who would be scratching to buy a beer with a pie and chips at home, and there they are in AC with these gorgeous and sweet ladies on their arms. And when you get in the plane leaving AC to go back to the fat white cows at home while they get to stay with their gorgeous spinners, do you really think you will feel as good as they do about life? Maybe.
So, different strokes for different folks. You would like to stay in your twenties forever, and some of these old farts just like being retired and having a different sweet young lady every week for the whole year. They can feel sorry for you going back to work and the fat white cows, while they are in the International bar eating well, drinking like fish and getting flirted at by the bar staff before heading across the road for a quick BBBJ, and you can feel sorry for them because....well...because...um...you are in your twenties. Ok. ROFLMAO. Works for me.
@Matius/Rob - That is great that there is very few tourists there. Does that mean I will have many opportunities to choose and pick very attractive stunners since there won't be any competition to go against? :D
I'm thinking I will need about $500 for my entire time there in the Philippines. I will be staying at my friend's house so food and lodging will be free. The only money I will be spending is on girls if I can't get any for free. But like I said, my friend is a resident of the Philippines and he lives in Olongapo. Unless he can get me many different girls for free or cheap then I will probably BF a different girl everyday. So, I think $500 is enough (I don't drink). Heck I might even be able to get by on much cheaper than that. I know on my last trip there, I barfined a girl but then after that I just got her number and went hung out for a couple of days for 'free'. (daily sex included) I just had to feed her. I've heard of guys just skipping the BF altogether and just getting the girls' numbers and meeting them at their place after the girl finishes work. making it even cheaper... i'll see how it goes.
I'll probably avoid Perimeter since it seems like an unnecessary extra but I do want to try blow row at least once since it is close to Fields and this time I'll try a lot of bars instead of only two.
Laylow,
The best part to me of being 44 and not 24...is at 24 I had $500 per trip to the Philippines and now at 44 I can spent $500 a night with no worries. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it sure does make the Philippines FUN:D
Rubberyman
01-24-10, 05:21
In the p4p scene or outside of it?
Hm, good question.
If you mean directly handing over the $$ in return for pussy, not much. There are those who are horny and prefer a younger guy. However, there are many who see an older guy as an easier job.
Outside p4p it is a little harder to say since even a young guy would be expected to help with the family, pay for her meals and expenses. However, given my observation about the old guys who I talk to in the bars (especially at Perimeter who are locals) is that they have no problem in getting long term much much much younger live-ins, I am not sure that there is much in it here either.
I have been given phone numbers by restaurant (not bar) waitresses, shop assistants in the mall, and ladies working in other businesses. I did not bother since I prefer the no-ties situation, However, it does show that the experience is not that much different for anyone between the age of twenty and sixty.
I sort of think that since there is so much available pussy, that the difference is pretty academic. If pussy were limited, maybe it would become an issue.
But I will say on another note, it makes me fear old age much more. I wish I could just stay in my twenties like I am now forever.... :(
I hear you! I'm in my 30's and I get lots of free action from p4p and non-p4p in PI (only PI, not other parts SE Asia so much). I'm scared to get old.
I do think that in the p4p scene the girls tend to like the older guys more because it's easy money. But take the money out of the equation and they like younger guys. It's really a no brainer.
Anyhow, I still love to see older guys with hot chicks, because when I get older I know that that can be me. All the power to anybody who gets laid! If you're banging you're winning in life!
At your young age, we would expect to hear something so absurd.
It's the younger guys who still think they need a wife who marry gals from the Philippines. That's their "easy money".
Me, my aging pecker, and my good friend Mr. Vagra get out money's worth one night at a time.
X
I do think that in the p4p scene the girls tend to like the older guys more because it's easy money.
At your young age, we would expect to hear something so absurd.
Whose "we"? Do you speak for all mongers?
I think not.....
There are those who are horny and prefer a younger guy. However, there are many who see an older guy as an easier job.
Maybe you're right. An older guy would let some disagreement flow of his wrinkled back. A young buck like you would puff up his chest and create a confrontation out of nothing. So, older guys are easier in some ways.
"we" means "older guys", not "all mongers". I'm terribly sorry if that wasn't obvious. I'm an older guy. I'm not "easy money". I suspect that I'm not the only "older guy" who finds your comments rather juvenile.
X
Whose "we"? Do you speak for all mongers?
I sort of think that since there is so much available pussy, that the difference is pretty academic. If pussy were limited, maybe it would become an issue.
Interesting information Rubberyman anyway my trip to Philippines is booked for May/June, what a pity we will though miss out on each other in July in Prague!
Good luck mate
Blackangst
01-24-10, 20:33
ROFLMAO!! Only in your dreams, mate. Also, to address your earlier comment, when I stated it was "all about money" that was directed only at the older guys here who are in dreamland. When I say "in dreamland", I mean they think that even without money, for some reasdon only gods knows they feel that they have the same chances at banging sexy hots young girls as young, fit guys in their 20s. I can't even debate that point. If that isn't totally obvious then I don't know what else to say.
But I will say on another note, it makes me fear old age much more. I wish I could just stay in my twenties like I am now forever.... :(
Words of the wise there, sir. Nothing is free in this world, not even respect.
The problem that those in their 20's have that those 40+ dont...you think you how things work lol. You say you cant argue it...youre right. You cant. Especially when soooo many guys who are "older" get sooooo much free pussy.
Its OK. You'll learn :)
Blackangst
01-24-10, 20:39
Respect is earned! If they earn it, I give it. If they do a good job, then they are rewarded.
Remember their job is to serve us and EARN our money. Too many people don't understand this concept.
You arent equating job performance with respect...are you? Really?
Blackangst
01-24-10, 20:52
I guess you can make some connection between this behavior and the global Philippino culture. Give you an example:
In the Philippines the salary is paid TWICE per month (every two weeks) and not just once. One reason is that the employers cannot be trusted to still be there by the end of the month (so the risk is reduced), but the other reason is that the typical Philippino will take ALL the money he gets and spend it on the day he gets it. He will buy gifts, go drinking, have fun, and enjoy life. The next day he will go to find someone to lend him money to pass the next 2 weeks.
This gives you an idea on what is important to the average Philippino. It's the quality of life NOW and not some planning of the path into the future (which calls for SAVING money). This for example, is completely different than the Chinese way of thinking, where quality of life means NOTHING and the future living is EVERYTHING!
So let me get this straight. Employers who pay every two weeks might not be around, and thier employees cant be trusted? Wow.
I wonder how many employers in the USA pay every other week. Guess they dont know theyre in danger of shutting down, and their employees cant be trusted either!
I hear you! I'm in my 30's and I get lots of free action from p4p and non-p4p in PI (only PI, not other parts SE Asia so much).
Oh really!? Have never seen any FR from you on the Philippine threads. Where do you hang out in PI ?
It's been thirty years since they employed me, but the US government used to pay me on the 15th and 30th of each month -- almost every two weeks.
In Japan they pay once a month....bastards. Employers have to hold the money because their employees will spend every yen in the first few hours...on pachinko.
You can never trust an employee, nor an old guy. You should know that Blackangst! X
So let me get this straight. Employers who pay every two weeks might not be around, and thier employees cant be trusted? Wow.
I wonder how many employers in the USA pay every other week. Guess they dont know theyre in danger of shutting down, and their employees cant be trusted either!
FunnyGoLucky
01-25-10, 22:14
We choose too pay the girls so:
1. They will forgett us
2. Can not run after and say I get pregnant.
We choose who to get and what service we want.
You play with the girl get same free fuck and end up pay lifetime!
FreebieFan
01-26-10, 02:51
ROFLMAO!! Only in your dreams, mate. Also, to address your earlier comment, when I stated it was "all about money" that was directed only at the older guys here who are in dreamland. When I say "in dreamland", I mean they think that even without money, for some reason only gods knows they feel that they have the same chances at banging sexy hots young girls as young, fit guys in their 20s. I can't even debate that point. If that isn't totally obvious then I don't know what else to say.Let me throw my 2 pesos into this discusssion.
Maybe you think, by being in your 20's you are invinicible and Gods Gift. Guess what, one day you will be in your 50s and still thinking you are invincible and Gods gift.
Am just back from a weekend in Bali where of course I scored with a 27 year old 5ft 95 pound cute villa saleslady. Free.
Will be going to Manila in two weeks where as usual I will score with 3-4 free ones, varying from 22, 24, 30 and 35. I do this every trip I make to Manila.
I will then follow that up with a BKK trip where there are 3 freebies waiting. The is 23, Pim is 26 and the other Pim is older at 36. Then of course there will be a Jakarta trip where the same will happen. And has been happeing for years. Read the reports son.
You may think that being over 50 cannot have any attraction to cuties.
Man you are so wrong.
20, s 30, s 40, s 50s, is meaningless to girls who want a nice guy with them, to treat them well, and to prove they have value in an often valueless country.
In return we have great sex with them.
Enjoy your 20s because soon you will be in your 30's then some other loudmouthed Gods gift will start saying what you have just said.
Cunning Stunt
01-26-10, 04:42
Am just back from a weekend in Bali..
Will be going to Manila in two weeks..
I will then follow that up with a BKK trip..
.. fuck me, all that and a trip to Eybahgumland as well:D.
So let me get this straight. Employers who pay every two weeks might not be around, and thier employees cant be trusted? Wow.
I wonder how many employers in the USA pay every other week. Guess they dont know theyre in danger of shutting down, and their employees cant be trusted either!Well, there could be other reasons around the world for paying twice a month, but for sure it's more costly to the employers than to pay only once per month.
For cash-flow reasons, since it's becoming very common to receive payments from customers on "30 Days end-of-month" terms, the money is almost always received on the same day of the month (give or take 1-3 days). Due to that, the employers will usually have enough cash-flow during that time and can pay the monthly salary at that time. Any other salary payment date is probably not due to pure financial reasons.
I'm not suggesting that employers paying twice a month cannot be trusted. I'm just saying the opposite: Employers who cannot be trusted should be made to pay twice a month!
Same goes for employees (like in the Philippines), where the people cannot be trusted to wisely manage their money for a whole month. This is why it's better to give them bi-weekly salaries.
UN LE70
Especially when soooo many guys who are "older" get sooooo much free pussy.
uh, yeah right! ‘sooo much free pussy’ <- I don’t even think so. You guys pay and you know it. Probably not P4P but you take them out to eat at nice restaurants, you all stay at nice hotels, you all dress nice purposely, etc. Most of us who score for free don’t have to do ANY of that. It is our good looks, strength/vigour, and youth that gets us the poon tang. We can pull hotties dressed however we like and wherever not doing all that extra stuff that you old guys have to do. but you all call that ‘treating girls with respect’ haha, yeah sure, whatever works for you.
20, s 30, s 40, s 50s, is meaningless to girls who want a nice guy with them, to treat them well, and to prove they have value in an often valueless country.
haha.
The point is no-one is saying that you older guys don’t get free poon or that just because you are old that means you totally suck. For me personally, all I’m plainly saying is that without all the money that you older guys have from working and saving during your lifetime, when compared to younger good looking guys, we will just about win every single time. Some women just like older guys but that is super tiny minority just like some guys like older women. I don’t really care either way because I know that we are all heading in the same direction. I’ll be old one day just like you all are now and I am not hiding or denying the fact that I will depend on the money that I’m saving up to get different poon daily. But to state that age doesn’t matter to girls in the P.I. and that older guys are the same as younger guys is just totally fucking wrong! And I don’t even see how everyone is debating this. As I said before, are any of you older guys chasing old ass grannies? I don’t fucking think so...
Its OK. You'll learnYou gotta hope so. Though of course some people never do.
Living in SE Asia and shagging pros and non-pros from my 20s through my 30s, 40s, and now 50s, all I can say is that different ages have had different benefits and drawbacks. But thanks to experience, language, and disposable income, I reckon I'm getting hotter girls now than EVER before. And I see guys older than me doing just as well. So if there's one place you don't have to fear getting old, this is it. But you do have to learn how things work. And youthful arrogance isn't too good a start for that!
Rubberyman
01-26-10, 11:04
Laylow, LOL.
If you can get it for free how come you are going to the Phils?
And how much was that air ticket to the Phils again?
The only people I see getting it for free in the Phils are young Pinoys. Everyone else (including the young blokes) have to dip their hands in their pockets a bit.
But good luck.
Plenty of poon for all.
If you think your way of doing things is better than others, by all means try it out. The worst that will happen is you will spend all your airfare and miss out. I don't think anyone else will sob into their pillows at night if you miss out.
Part of the reason for these boards is for sharing information on what works and what does not. Mongers of all ages young and old post here.
If what you do works, post a TR. It will add to our knowledge of poon hunting strategy.
If it doesn't, then post a TR. Pwomise we won't laugh...much.
I got it free many times. Depends on how to carry yourself.
Matter of fact 9-10 quality girls.
Laylow, LOL.
If you can get it for free how come you are going to the Phils?
And how much was that air ticket to the Phils again?
The only people I see getting it for free in the Phils are young Pinoys. Everyone else (including the young blokes) have to dip their hands in their pockets a bit.
But good luck.
Plenty of poon for all.
If you think your way of doing things is better than others, by all means try it out. The worst that will happen is you will spend all your airfare and miss out. I don't think anyone else will sob into their pillows at night if you miss out.
Part of the reason for these boards is for sharing information on what works and what does not. Mongers of all ages young and old post here.
If what you do works, post a TR. It will add to our knowledge of poon hunting strategy.
If it doesn't, then post a TR. Pwomise we won't laugh...much.
Laylow, LOL.
If you can get it for free how come you are going to the Phils?
And how much was that air ticket to the Phils again?
The only people I see getting it for free in the Phils are young Pinoys. Everyone else (including the young blokes) have to dip their hands in their pockets a bit.
Most of us who score for free don’t have to do ANY of that.
Get it right, sir. I never said that I get plenty of free poon in the P.I. ever. All I was implying is that on the random occasion that I do happen to get it for free, I don't do any of the things 'you all' do that has been mentioned here time and time again. I do recall Blackangst being the one who stated that you older guys getting 'sooo much free pussy' yet you had nothing to say about that. haha! I just think SOME of you older guys are just jealous because you're old. It's not our fault. You can call it 'youthful arrogance' or whatever but hey you can take comfort in knowing that you all WILL most likely get more poon than us at least in the P.I. since your pockets are much fatter than ours or at least mine. :D
Also you seem to be lost and missing the point. For me this entire 'old vs young' rant started when someone stated that 'younger guys have a marginal advantage over older guys'. My point was that the ONLY advantage that the older guys have is their money except for the very rare older guy who takes care of himself but I know I didn't see hardly one when I was in the P.I. for nearly a month last year. So, I was wondering WTF are you talking about when you say “If you think your way of doing things is better than others by all means try it out.” <- that is totally off topic... I never said that what you older guys do is a bad strategy, we just don’t have to do it to get free poon necessarily since we have a host of other things working in our favor. Believe me, if I could do what you older guys do if I had the money then I hell yeah i would do it.
If you can get it for free how come you are going to the Phils?
And how much was that air ticket to the Phils again?
And again I quote this because that is EXACTLY my point, i think. That is mostly why you older farts are in the P.I. in the first place. Because you can't pull the shit that you claim you do in the P.I. in the USA like WE CAN and do a lot of the time regularly. For us or me rather, the P.I. is a short fuck fest that I can enjoy once every couple of years since I freaking poor as hell.
Someone send Laylow something buoyant.
He seems to be drowning, mostly on his own bullshit.
X
Get it right, sir. I never said that I get plenty of free poon in the P.I. ever. All I was implying is that on the random occasion that I do happen to get it for free, I don't do any of the things 'you all' do that has been mentioned here time and time again. I do recall Blackangst being the one who stated that you older guys getting 'sooo much free pussy' yet you had nothing to say about that. haha! I just think SOME of you older guys are just jealous because you're old. It's not our fault. You can call it 'youthful arrogance' or whatever but hey you can take comfort in knowing that you all WILL most likely get more poon than us at least in the P.I. since your pockets are much fatter than ours or at least mine. :D
And again I quote this because that is EXACTLY my point, i think. That is mostly why you older farts are in the P.I. in the first place. Because you can't pull the shit that you claim you do in the P.I. in the USA like WE CAN and do a lot of the time regularly. For us or me rather, the P.I. is a short fuck fest that I can enjoy once every couple of years since I freaking poor as hell.
You gotta hope so. Though of course some people never do.
Living in SE Asia and shagging pros and non-pros from my 20s through my 30s, 40s, and now 50s, all I can say is that different ages have had different benefits and drawbacks. But thanks to experience, language, and disposable income, I reckon I'm getting hotter girls now than EVER before. And I see guys older than me doing just as well. So if there's one place you don't have to fear getting old, this is it. But you do have to learn how things work. And youthful arrogance isn't too good a start for that!
Right on, Betong. I guess we were all more arrogant and naive when we were younger (some more than others). It's fun to see the youngsters struggle with getting old when they inevitably do.
I'm 54 now, overweight but "distinguished" (so they say), still have my hair and a big hard-on, and have been fortunate enough to have great pussy and big tits my whole life (both paid and "free"). Sure, I pay for it more now but, as we all know, we all pay for it one way or another!
I plan on retiring near Cebu in my 60s, building a home there, marrying a babe one-third my age, a nurse, and bolting a pair of DD's on her. That's my retirement plan. Til then I'm going bang as many busty foreign babes as possible -- and laugh at disrespectful youth who have a rude awakening as they age. At least Asian (and many Latin) cultures respect their elders. Time-honored wisdom, yes?
oh alright. I'll stop now. Seems like some of you old timers are getting your feelings hurt. **cough Xman/D cup** (among others) Notice how most of the retorts are retaliatory and of no substance usually consisting of 'that's BS, not true'. The points I make are irrefutable and everyone knows it. So women prefer this:
http://www.stolaf.edu/people/murphye/map%20project/old-man-laughing.jpg
instead of this:
http://salbahe.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/brandon-stoughton-womanizer-music-video-male-model-3.jpg
and we are supposed to believe that the older gentleman above has the same chances as the young guy of getting free poon if he only "treats the girl nicely" even if he has very little or no money at all. LMAO again!! Also, didn't Rubberman mention that the only ones he noticed getting free poon in the P.I. was YOUNG pinoys? did he say OLD pinoys, I didn't think so... but maybe you old guys are different.. *rolls eyes & sighs*
Come on seriously. I thought you all had tougher skin than that. hehe. Don't take it so personal, geez! I mean, who gives a fuck anyway! If you would actually read what I'm typing then you would see that I acknowledge that we will all eventually be in your position. BUT until then, I'll enjoy it while it (youth) lasts. I exercise very often and I hope to do so until I die. (some of you may also do the same) If everything is truly as you claim then I will be pleasantly surprised and I look forward to things only getting easier as my metamorphosis into old fucker comes about. :D
All Laylow rants only show he has a lot to learn about life and women. I've had gf that were 25 yrs younger then me, and goodlooking. They were with me because I gave them what they needed. I'm average looking, some money, enough that they are taken to good venues not McD. LL the more you stick your foot in mouth only shows how immature you are. One day when you growup you will understand what it's all about. It's like the old bull and young bull looking over a herd of cows. The young one said '' Lets run down and fuk one of those cows '' The old bull said '' No lets walk down and fuk all of them ''
come on guys. Laylow just does not know that he does not know and none of us will ever change that.
I viewed qall his posts here and he has contributed zero mongering info to help others. Only asks questions and posts drivel.
So on to the ignore list he went.
Chocha Monger
01-26-10, 22:37
Actually, the idea of old farts having an advantage with young girls in the Philippines is not outlandish as it may seem. Remember that before those girls get off the farm a perverted grandfather or a naughty uncle gets the first crack at them. Based on those early sexual experiences many of the girls develop a fetish for older men. Also, all of the girls who are willing to have sex with foreigners are looking for financial or migratory benefits. They sincerely believe that there is no fool like an old fool. Old guys are more likely to be loose with their wallets and more likely to say okay when a girl gets back to the room and declares that she doesn’t like boom boom and will do everything short of that or some such nonsense. Old guys will sleep after one shot instead of poking her in all her holes until the sun comes up like a young guy would. Old guys are more romantic, dote on young girls and are more likely to be sympathetic to them having kids from Filipino boyfriends who ran away. An old goat is way more likely to take a live-in girlfriend or marry a young girl than a young stud would. Many old timers are expats which means long term financial support, food and shelter. Youngsters are usually just passing through looking to fuck as much Filipina ass as possible in a small window of opportunity. Most of the guys sponsoring visas to the US or Europe are at middle aged or older. Filipinas may be considered to be stupid by foreigners but they are intelligent enough to grasp these basic facts though unable to write their own names.
The fact is that if a Filipina is giving you a “freebie” she is holding out for the jackpot. This is typical female behavior everywhere. Yes, we all want to believe that they fuck us because we are handsome men. Whether we are young dumb and full of cum, or old doting and senile is beside the point. They always fuck us because there is something in it for them. That is the bottom line.
@Chocha Monger - 100% correct. :thumbs up:
I have a different take on the issue of showing respect and kindness to the ladies, I believe it improves service. Most of my activities have been in Thailand, but I believe that the Filipina's would respond similarly. I am not often a late night monger, so I usually barfine a lady by 10-11pm at the latest, after leaving the bar I usually ask the girl if she is hungry and offer to buy her some food from one of the many street vendors. Cost, maybe 50 baht, that's t less than $2USD. Sometimes, if I'm in the mood, I'll take them to some of the pool halls I like to go to and have a few drinks and shoot some games with them before going back to my room. Cost, maybe $15-$20, if that, and I enjoy shooting pool and usually the girl can teach me a few things! (Side note, never play pool with a Thai bargirl for money or drinks unless you are prepared to lose. Many times, they will let you win as you are the customer and they don't want you to lose face or be unhappy (not good for business), but when there is cash on the line, watch out!) Now I'm sure that many of you are thinking that I am an idiot and wasting money on a bargirl. Yes, I know that they are hardened veterans, etc, etc. I still believe that a little respect and kindness goes a long way and no matter what it's going to melt those icy little hearts just a bit, and that is going to translate into better service back at my room. I have spent a total of about 6 months in Thailand, not much by some standards I admit, but I have been fairly active, shall we say. To the best of my recollection, not once In all my LT encounters have I ever had a runner, many of the girls actually stay till the early afternoon if I want/let them and they are not sleeping. I would also have to say that I have been pleased with the service about 95% of the time.
Case in point, "The swimming pool story". Barfined, a lady and got her some food on the way home. It was a nice night so I suggested we eat at the rooftop pool, grabbed a bottle of SangSom and off we go. Once there, I asked her if she liked to swim, she said she had not done much swimming and was afraid of the water. Finally, after a few drinks and some coaxing I managed to get her into the pool. I'll spare you the details of the swimming lesson, but she ended up loving it and I ended up with some mind blowing sex back at the room, all night and well into the next day. Three days later, I decided I wanted some more of that and went and barfined her fairly early. As we were leaving the bar, three of her friends asked if they could come swimming after work if they were not engaged. My friend had told them how fun it was and they wanted to get in on the action. Fine by me, it was early enough that I knew there would be time to eat, drink and have a session before they got there, if at all. Sure enough, at around 2:30am there's a knock on the door and two of the ladies are ready to go swimming. I had told my friend this might happen, so I called him and off we went. Much splashing, groping, etc, occurred and a good time was had by all. One of the ladies went with my friend and the other stayed with me and my lady, it was a fun threesome. In the morning when I went to take care of financial matters, they would only take the donation for one, 1500 baht, which they split. As I was in Thailand for two months I did see this lady again and a couple of times she called my monger phone to see if she could come over and swim and hang out and that was always a freebie for me. Sure, I would buy her some food and drink on those days or we would go shoot some pool, whatever. Sure, I knew she was probably trying to get her hooks into me, but forewarned is forearmed as they say and it wasn't going to happen. I had a lot of fun and I hope she did too.
In summation (finally), do I usually get good service and have no runners because I am a hansum man, or is it my incredible sexual technique, I doubt it. I believe that it really boils down to treating the girls with respect and kindness. Remember, many times these ladies are treated like pieces of meat and sometimes they are forced to do things they are not willing to do or they can even get roughed up. Treating them with a little decency goes a long way, at least it has worked for me. Sorry for this long and rambling post but I really get pissed when I see some asshole treating a girl like crap, over and above the fact that I usually get great service, it is always paramount to treat the ladies with at least common decency. It's just the right thing to do and I think you'll find it pays dividends. IMHO.
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Cunning Stunt
01-27-10, 02:12
hahaha – great post chocha, although i’m a bit concerned about your, admittedly erotic, view of what goes on in the average provincial barangay village. i rather prefer your version, full of bug eyed, lascivious granddads and uncles lining up to deflower their innocent but willing granddaughters and nieces, but the truth, having lived in one of these places, is rather different. they are very conservative, workaday and boring places where everyone knows everyone else’s business and any [CodeWord130] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130) hanky panky would be known by everyone else before you could say ‘torn hymen’. not to say that it doesn’t happen, just that it is far more rare than your overheated imagination would have us believe:d.
so we all know that filipinas don’t really want us for our cute little beer paunches, our sexy wrinkly bits or our lovely, shiny ‘kalbo’ pates. shit!! they might be enchanted by our ‘baboy’ coloured skins and our long, aquiline, snouts but they are not really going to bring them flocking in. but this applies to young as well as old kano’s for the truth is that, despite their assertions to the contrary, most filipinas prefer their own men, i.e filipinos. but the problem with them is that, whereas we look like pigs in their eyes, their menfolk act like pigs and penniless pigs at that. so shelve those illusions, guys, that all them smiles and direct ‘come fuck me’ looks that you get from girls in the mall or on the streets are because of your passing resemblance to brad pitt (or brad pitt’s granddad:d).
never forget the three f’s in the philippines as it’s the only strategy that is not ultimately financially and emotionally damaging. you know it makes sense.
For us or me rather, the P.I. is a short fuck fest that I can enjoy once every couple of years since I freaking poor as hell.
Heyho, mates, great stuff here again. LOL.
LL, you sound to me as if you're just pissed that you can enjoy only every couple of years
what I have every month or others even every day.
So you just want to make some noise caused by frustration?
Believe me, I know how it is being poor from my time as student,
and being 20 years older having more money than I can spend,
life is much much nicer and the girls better! :p
Why I might retire in PI at the age of 50 with SRRV?
I simply don't like the cold temperatures back in Europe most of the year.
Anyway, long time we haven't had this old vs. young,
great discussion here as always
keep it going! :D :D
Good posting, Chocha.
Cheers!
Get it right, sir. I never said that I get plenty of free poon in the P.I. ever. All I was implying is that on the random occasion that I do happen to get it for free, I don't do any of the things 'you all' do that has been mentioned here time and time again. I do recall Blackangst being the one who stated that you older guys getting 'sooo much free pussy' yet you had nothing to say about that. haha! I just think SOME of you older guys are just jealous because you're old. It's not our fault. You can call it 'youthful arrogance' or whatever but hey you can take comfort in knowing that you all WILL most likely get more poon than us at least in the P.I. since your pockets are much fatter than ours or at least mine. :D
Also you seem to be lost and missing the point. For me this entire 'old vs young' rant started when someone stated that 'younger guys have a marginal advantage over older guys'. My point was that the ONLY advantage that the older guys have is their money except for the very rare older guy who takes care of himself but I know I didn't see hardly one when I was in the P.I. for nearly a month last year. So, I was wondering WTF are you talking about when you say “If you think your way of doing things is better than others by all means try it out.” <- that is totally off topic... I never said that what you older guys do is a bad strategy, we just don’t have to do it to get free poon necessarily since we have a host of other things working in our favor. Believe me, if I could do what you older guys do if I had the money then I hell yeah i would do it.
And again I quote this because that is EXACTLY my point, i think. That is mostly why you older farts are in the P.I. in the first place. Because you can't pull the shit that you claim you do in the P.I. in the USA like WE CAN and do a lot of the time regularly. For us or me rather, the P.I. is a short fuck fest that I can enjoy once every couple of years since I freaking poor as hell.
When I die, I want to come back as me--at 40 plus. Be it money or maturity, certainly not looks, never had so much fun until after I turned 40 and went to Asia for the first time. When I think about all the effort and stress required to be with a US. or European girl (notice the singular form of girl), and what can be had in Asia, including the Philippines. I never had as many 18 to 25 year old girls until after I turned 40 and went to Asia. Now in my 50's, the truth remains. Do I really care why this is true--Frankly no. Do I care that I pay $25 U.S.--not really as what does it cost to date in the U.S. Maybe things have changed dramatically in the U.S. since I was young, but I just don't remember suggesting to that 18 year old beauty that for $50 would she and her friend entertain giving me a good BJ and F, and having it happen every night if I wanted, with different girls. What I remember, once turning thirty and being single, was a dating pool around the same age, with their young kids and arrogant ex husband.
The point remains, if you are middle aged, been through that divorce, feeling your prime sex life has passed you by, then get on a plane, come to PI and live and be treated like a movie star. Can you imagine, finding that special someone, say a 20 year old beauty, going home to meet her folks (you with your fat belly and balding head) and have them be absolutely thrilled that you've come into their life. I remember in the U.S. a girl's parent's rejecting me because I was 25 and the girl was 18, too big an age difference. F..K that.
Laylow, I don't take any offense by the above report, and would not care if you have an advantage due to your age, even if you had wealth. There are so many girls here that are happy to have you (and your young self), but also us "old farts" (and our ugly selves). And as a young man, I would suggest you do stay in the U.S. and build yourself a life as it should be. There is no future here for a young man, but for a man that has already settled his life, career and mind, this is an excellent place to see that he can be appealing to the opposite sex. And while money may be a factor, that translates into providing a comfortable living standard to his girl, not Bill Gates type wealth. I know many retired service men, on pensions who have young beautiful wives, they live on a budget and all are very happy.
As to the mongering aspects, again I just don't think you can effectively date in the U.S. with less than $25 in your pocket, but here you can get a night of passion with a young beautiful women. Yes, you have to buy the plane ticket, but would not your young self also have to pay for transportation to go to spring break. Then even at home you need a car, an apartment, nice clothes, dating money. Here you need board shorts, beach cap, a $1 trike, $60 room and a smile on your face.
Using your report as a reason to respond, the youth culture of western countries and the political correctness of being a "good man vs. a dirty old man" allows middle age men to believe their prime is behind them. Not having the money and/or stature of Donald Trump, the Ivanna's of this world are a lost dream of youth. BS, come here, don't sit at home with your internet porn and having to go to hooters to see a pair of young breasts. Live like Hugh Hefner, without the magazine or the wealth. There are places all over the world with a different perspective to age than one sees in Europe or the U.S. and I believe Angeles City is the mecca of that perspective.
I hear you! I'm in my 30's and I get lots of free action from p4p and non-p4p in PI (only PI, not other parts SE Asia so much). I'm scared to get old.
I do think that in the p4p scene the girls tend to like the older guys more because it's easy money. But take the money out of the equation and they like younger guys. It's really a no brainer.
Anyhow, I still love to see older guys with hot chicks, because when I get older I know that that can be me. All the power to anybody who gets laid! If you're banging you're winning in life!
Yes, I was scared to get old also, more so in my twenties and early thirties, but guess what, it happened. Guess what else, its just not bad at all. I have had so much fun since I turned 40 that given a choice, I would not want to be 20 something again.
I also remember as a young man, seeing the young girl with the old guy, in my mind I would justify that as it must be money. Of course I was usually standing there with my pud in my hand, as the old fart seemed to be having the time of his life. Of course, he has money, its no brainer, WRONG.
Many, Many girls do like older men, particularly in Asian cultures. Even in if selecting their mate, who is of the same country, often the girl and family will look to 10 to 15 year age difference. This has to do with stability and financial security. And tell me girls in the U.S., even in selecting their own age group are not looking for the same. Sorry, not seeing the young handsome dishwashers dating Beyonce. Rather I remember even in highschool the hot girls often selecting guys who had money and cars--the most popular guys. I remember one girlfriend actually marrying a 30 year old medical doctor, when she was 18. He was not body beautiful.
The only reason I am responding to this, is not for the great debate. Its for the "old guy" who has been so brainwashed into believing his sex life has passed him by. That coming to PI or Angeles City will be all about money, that he could not possibly find love (if that is his desire) or be sexually attractive to a younger women--that it will be all about money, not about him.
This is really wrong, and while you can speak as a young guy that has never been old, on what you believe is happening. Many of us can speak as old guys, who have also been young, and KNOW what is happening. Meaning no disrespect and everyone has an opinion, but you cannot speak with experience on these "no brainer" issues--you've not been there. While you may feel we old guys are dilluded in our experience, that again is an opinion, while so many who know speak to the facts and reality. As you rightfully pointed out, someday you will be our age, and you will be very thankful to learn we speak the truth and when you think it is all over for you, a whole new life will open its doors to you.
@Matius - excellent write up. You just convinced me to switch to Perimeter bars this time especially since you are sure that it is safe to walk around at night. Safety is a major concern of mine right behind being ultra frugal. Also, you stated there are a good number of stunners at the Perimeter bars which is great since another poster here said that there aren't many tourists in Angeles City. I speak Tagalog and Ilocano so hopefully I should blend right in with the locals. So I shouldn't pay anything over 1200 pesos on Perimeter even for the stunners, right? but for girls that aren't stunners, I should pay maybe 500-600 pesos (1200 for stunners) or less you think since I can pass as filipino? and tipping is voluntary also, right?
Now, about this anything goes in Perimeter bars stuff. I am very much an exhibitionist so that is right up my alley. When I am in the Perimeter bars should I just go for it or should I give the girls a couple of pesos before I do the deed in front of everyone in the bar(s)? And how much pesos should I give her? Does this depend on if I only want boom boom in the bar in front of everyone or if I plan on taking her with me also? Although I could probably get away with boom boom in the bar for cheap, get her number and then meet up with her after she gets off.... (just a thought)
@Dars Veider - does that map you posted include the bars on Perimeter or only on Fields?
So, where is Perimeter anyway. I have found two maps online. Here is one of Fields:
http://www.acmap.com/fields_complete.asp
I know the above map well. I recognize a lot of the places there. so I have no problem with Fields. Here is a map of Perimeter:
http://www.acmap.com/map.asp?map=p5
I do not know that area. I have been looking at other maps and I think that in order to get to Perimeter from Fields you take a jeepney from the terminal that is close to the Chow King. With the Chow king in FRONT of you, you take a jeepney heading to your RIGHT. You just keep going straight until you see some bars. From the way it looks on the map if you are young like I am then you can actually walk from Fields to the Perimeter bars. From one end to the other. I'm in the military so long hikes are nothing for me. I think I will probably walk from one end to the other daily. That way I'll get my PT in for the day also. But I'll take the jeepney after I choose which girls I'll be taking home. :D
I've been away for a few weeks and not caught up to the threads until now, so apologize in advance for being dated in response. I've noticed you've been quite active on the board of recent, but this post pick's my interest. You are young, in the military, look Filipino, speak Tagalog and Ilocano, but imply you know little about Angeles City in general or Perimeter road to be specific. Look Filipino, speak Filipino, in the military, fishing for information on this board, no disrespect but you sound like Filipino police. Just don't remember tagalog being university elective in foreign languages.
Cunning Stunt
01-27-10, 09:37
Not having the money and/or stature of Donald Trump, the Ivanna's of this world are a lost dream of youth.
Nice take on the issues under discussion Matius, but I had to smile over your reference to Ivana Trump. She is appearing in Celebrity Big Brother UK at the moment. Have a look at the photo and you might be glad that you lost your 'dream of youth':eek:.
LL, you sound to me as if you're just pissed that you can enjoy only every couple of years
what I have every month or others even every day.
yeah, I do envy you older guys and I haven’t hidden that fact. you guys live the good life that I can only hope to get to one day.
Laylow3 this forum is dominated by middle age to senior citizen Caucasians. If you do not fit this demographic and want to remain a member I would advise you to leave the flame wars alone. No matter what is said to you or about you they will gang up (Lynch Mob mentality) on you and complain to Jackson then and you will be dealt with in one form or another.
Yeah I am noticing that and that’s why I won’t continue discussing this. you’re right.
This is really wrong, and while you can speak as a young guy that has never been old, on what you believe is happening. Many of us can speak as old guys, who have also been young, and KNOW what is happening. Meaning no disrespect and everyone has an opinion, but you cannot speak with experience on these "no brainer" issues--you've not been there. While you may feel we old guys are dilluded in our experience, that again is an opinion, while so many who know speak to the facts and reality. As you rightfully pointed out, someday you will be our age, and you will be very thankful to learn we speak the truth and when you think it is all over for you, a whole new life will open its doors to you.
yeah, that’s true. I haven’t been there. well, all I can say is I truly with all my heart hope that I’m dead wrong. :)
You are young, in the military, look Filipino, speak Tagalog and Ilocano, but imply you know little about Angeles City in general or Perimeter road to be specific. Look Filipino, speak Filipino, in the military, fishing for information on this board, no disrespect but you sound like Filipino police. Just don't remember tagalog being university elective in foreign languages.
remember my wife is filipina so I learned both of them from her. I didn’t think I was the only person here who speaks Tagalog. hmm, well maybe I am. Ilocano, yeah I’m probably the only person here who speaks that though.
CS, do you have pictures of recent Trump wives, that would be much nicer.
Why does the idiot keep marrying them???
Hefner seems to have figured it out.
X
Nice take on the issues under discussion Matius, but I had to smile over your reference to Ivana Trump. She is appearing in Celebrity Big Brother UK at the moment. Have a look at the photo and you might be glad that you lost your 'dreams of youth':eek:.
I've been reading up on the posts regarding treatment for young vs old, and just thought I'd throw in my two cents. I am a 28, Chinese American, and in good physical condition, and easy on the eyes (though I admit that I am definitely no Brad Pitt). I don't really have problems picking up girls in the states, though it requires a great deal more effort than overseas. My experience is with Pattaya, Thailand, so I don't know if it applies to Angeles City, given that I have yet to go there, though I am planning to do so (more on this below).
Last December was the first time I went to Thailand. In the past, I had done a little mongering in China, which really does not compare to the awesomeness of Thailand. In Pattaya, I had about a 20-25% success rate in getting girls from the bars (Sois 6, 7, 8, and a few from walking street gogos) to go home with me without having to pay a dollar. If picking up from a disco (where many working girls also hang out to look for customers) the success rate was probably much higher. For girls at bars who were willing to hang out for free, I would mostly pay just the barfine, and I even had an instance where the girl was offering to pay the barfine for me. At first, I was shocked that working girls would be willing to spend time with you without a fee, but after talking with many bar girls, I realize that there are a very large number of girls that are willing to do this if they like the guy enough. Usually after spending time with one of these girls, I still offer to compensate her, and some will take the money, while others will not. After a while, I tended to prefer the freebie bargirls to the others, since they were going for free, and actually wanted to be with you, you received better service/attitude. Another observation I made was that a lot of the girls willing to go without pay are also ones that are already being subsidized by "boyfriends" overseas. As such, they were not *as* concerned about money, knowing that they could expect nice checks at the end of the month. Actually, the majority of Thai bargirls appeared to be subsidized, based on my limited experience (could be wrong). Anyway, that is just my experience in Thailand, and being young. It may have nothing to do with my age. As another poster wrote, a little kindness goes a long way in getting the girls to like you. Small talk, taking out to dinner, buying small immaterial gifts, or basically anything other than immediately wanting to fuck should earn you some points with the ladies.
Anyway, you're probably wondering why this post is in the Angeles City section, since I've only spoken about Thailand so far. Well, I have another 2 weeks of paid vacation coming up in March, and am trying to decide what to do. I will definitely spend one of those weeks in Pattaya again, but I am considering spending the other week in Angeles City. I am interested for several reasons: 1) I have heard of Angeles City as a good place for mongering, comparable to Thailand, 2) I find Phillipino girls very attractive, 3) I heard that they speak better English, which is a huge plus to me. However, I have been slightly deterred due to reading about potential problems regarding safety, violence, corrupt police setting up tourists, theft, etc. Are these things avoidable if the proper common sense precautions are taken? I guess what I am wondering is whether these things are considered outlier events, or whether they are considered the norm in Angeles City. If they are the norm, I may just consider enjoying the 2 weeks in Pattaya, although I am very curious about Angeles City. Could some of you more experienced travelers give me some feedback on this? I would really appreciate your opinions.
Thanks!
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SuperSteve
01-27-10, 15:00
IMHO, the age thing is much like, "How much did you pay?" Who gives a rats a**? People are like snowflakes, there are no two exactly alike. To me, that is why it should be YMWV (Your Mileage Will Vary). An experience between two different people can never possibly be the same, money exchanged, or not.
In my youth, I never had time, nor any interest, in traveling for poosey. I was getting so much at home, there was no need. Now in my 60's I tried dating a successful, intelligent, and pretty, MILF. It was a disaster, as she wanted to cling to me immediately. I would much rather rent for an hour a sweet thing, with a hard body, and pay her to leave. I have had a near death experience, and I can assure you that I wasn't thinking about poosey, and whether I paid for it, or not.
I have had more luck, and goodness, in my life than any one man deserves. So young men, feel free to go nail all the "free" poosey that you can. If it is one that I had an interest in renting for an hour, oh well, there are only thousands more to be had.
My wish for everyone is that you have more goodness, and health, in your life, than I have had in mine. This will be a true test of your life, in your minds eye, not whether you paid for possey, or not. Even at this advaced age, I am blessed more than I deserve.
Health and happiness to all...............
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