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Youngster420
01-27-10, 15:03
Some questions: If I'm going to Angeles for the first time and alone, which way should I go from the Manila airport? Get a taxi or by bus? Around how much should I expect to pay so I don't get ripped off?

Do I need to reserve a hotel room ahead of time, or can I do a walk-in check in? Which hotel is decent but kinda close to fields?

Thanks

Amjeck
01-27-10, 18:16
The fact is that if a Filipina is giving you a “freebie” she is holding out for the jackpot. This is typical female behavior everywhere. Yes, we all want to believe that they fuck us because we are handsome men. Whether we are young dumb and full of cum, or old doting and senile is beside the point. They always fuck us because there is something in it for them. That is the bottom line.
I agree, and sometimes "what's in it for them" is a good romping! These girls are pretty horny and their wet pussies indicate that.

Gonzofiend
01-27-10, 21:12
Some questions: If I'm going to Angeles for the first time and alone, which way should I go from the Manila airport? Get a taxi or by bus? Around how much should I expect to pay so I don't get ripped off?

Do I need to reserve a hotel room ahead of time, or can I do a walk-in check in? Which hotel is decent but kinda close to fields?

ThanksDepending on your ability to negotiate with taxi drivers, it can cost between 2, 100 to 3, 000 pesos (40 to 60 American dollars). Many here reccomend going to "Arrivals" at the Airport to get a taxi that is just dropping someone off as you can get it cheaper.

Many Hotels in Angeles have a pick-up service for 2, 500 pesos or so, which seems to me to be the way to go as the monetary difference is so small. There is also Swagman's "Fly The Bus" that will take you from the Swagman Hotel in Manilla to the Swagman in Angeles for 600 peso, but it really only runs during the day and early evening. I know a lot of flights come into manilla at night, at least from America, so that may not be an option for you. If you can get there during the day, that would be the cheapest choice.

Just google it.

You can take Philipino public transport as well, but I would not advise a first timer to do that. Asiana Airlines flies directly into Clark, and many smaller planes and airliners fly into Clark from other major Asian cities, so perhaps if you can creatively book you won't have to worry about it. If you do get into Clark, it will cost you 300 Pesos to get to your destination. (Old Clark AFB is right next to Angeles.)

I would pre-book your hotel, especially if you want to be right downtown. I stayed at the Swiss Chalet for $35 a night but had to pre-book about two months ahead. I can tell you that the Swiss Chalet is fairly good, it's right in the heart of the action, but it is the only Hotel in Angeles that I have ever stayed at, so a more experienced monger among us may be able to help you there. Also review the Angeles City Hotel Thread to answer some more questions.

Good luck and you're making the right choice, my first time was last year and I'm dying to go again.

Gonzofiend

Noguera
01-27-10, 21:54
Guys,

If you ever want to send a cute little LBFM "over the top", here is my advice. You know those Listerine breath strips? The green ones that are kind of like the old LSD tabs. I think they are wintergreen flavored. When you put one in your mouth it kind of blows your mind.

Anyway, go down on the sweet your thing for a couple of minutes and after you have her all wet and worked up. Pop a Listerine breath strip right on that sweet little clit. Work it in for 30 seconds and then start blowing on her clit. If that does not drive her instantly to an orgasm, or just out of her mind. Well, then, you are not doing something right!

Take a pack with you the next time you take out a bar girl. She will thank you for it.

Cunning Stunt
01-28-10, 02:50
I've been reading up on the posts regarding treatment for young vs old, and just thought I'd throw in my two cents...

If you survived Pattaya, then you will have no problem with Angeles. Despite its better press, you are statistically much more likely to be set up, drugged, mugged, murdered or assaulted in Pats than in AC.

But what intrigues me is, if you are ‘God’s gift to women’ like you imply and can get freebies, even from bargirls, why you need to go to either. Surely a DIA/Tagged trawl before you left home, either in the LOS or Philippines section, would result in a long queue of potentials just aching to jump into bed with you.

If I was a young buck again (rather than an ‘old fart’:D), I would steer well clear of p4p destinations such as Angeles and maybe even Pattaya.

Also freebies are harder to find in Angeles as you pay a combination BF/girls tip upfront.

X Man
01-28-10, 04:02
In Ermita part of Manila, there are two hotels which run buses to AC. Swagman and Southern Cross:

http://www.swaggy.com/index-bus-service.php

http://www.thesoutherncrosshotelmanila.com/shuttle_bus.html

But if you want to go direct from the airport, bargain with your taxi driver. I suspect 2,500 pesos ($50) should be about right. X




Some questions: If I'm going to Angeles for the first time and alone, which way should I go from the Manila airport? Get a taxi or by bus? Around how much should I expect to pay so I don't get ripped off?

Do I need to reserve a hotel room ahead of time, or can I do a walk-in check in? Which hotel is decent but kinda close to fields?

Thanks

Betong
01-28-10, 05:02
Despite its better press, you are statistically much more likely to be set up, drugged, mugged, murdered or assaulted in Pats than in AC.Well, there is more total crime in Pattaya, but then it's a far, far bigger scene than AC. Proportionally I suspect AC is just as dangerous (or as safe), but in different ways. Basically, more petty scams in Pattaya, more violent crime in AC. So for example walking down a dark street at night is something you can usually get away with in Pattaya, but you really don't want to do it in AC. And Thailand actually has an effective tourist police, while of course the police are the last people you want to get involved with in the Philippines.

Compared to a lot of mongering destinations, like just about anywhere in Latin America, they're both a walk in the park.

Patty Boy
01-28-10, 06:17
If you survived Pattaya, then you will have no problem with Angeles. Despite its better press, you are statistically much more likely to be set up, drugged, mugged, murdered or assaulted in Pats than in AC.

But what intrigues me is, if you are ‘God’s gift to women’ like you imply and can get freebies, even from bargirls, why you need to go to either. Surely a DIA/Tagged trawl before you left home, either in the LOS or Philippines section, would result in a long queue of potentials just aching to jump into bed with you.

If I was a young buck again (rather than an ‘old fart’:D), I would steer well clear of p4p destinations such as Angeles and maybe even Pattaya.

Also freebies are harder to find in Angeles as you pay a combination BF/girls tip upfront.Oh I certainly don't believe myself to be God's gift to women. Quite the contrary actually. I can get it easily enough back home, but it does take a lot more effort. You could easily treat a girl to dinner, movie, etc and leave empty handed at the end of the night.

I wasn't aware that Pats was more unsafe than AC. Never once did I feel threatened while there. As another poster mentioned, there were instances where someone might try to scam you for a little bit of money, but as long as you were smart about it, it was easily avoidable. I am most concerned with situations where your safety is a concern or where you stand to lose a larger sum of money (hundreds), which would be similar to my experience mongering in China. So it is pretty safe in AC as long as you avoid dark alleys, etc? I plan on hopefully making some friends while there, so that I won't have to navigate alone.

Poopbunny
01-28-10, 06:43
1) I have heard of Angeles City as a good place for mongering, comparable to Thailand, 2) I find Phillipino girls very attractive, 3) I heard that they speak better English, which is a huge plus to me. However, I have been slightly deterred due to reading about potential problems regarding safety, violence, corrupt police setting up tourists, theft, etc. Are these things avoidable if the proper common sense precautions are taken? I guess what I am wondering is whether these things are considered outlier events, or whether they are considered the norm in Angeles City.

Thanks!



1. Actually way better than Thailand. Cheaper, better GFE.
2. Me too. Some Spanish blood in the genes. Some PI girls have slightly more chiseled features than the Thais. On average I also found them hornier.
3. You hit the nail on the head here. Better English contributes to better GFE.

I too was a little deterred like yourself for the first time due to safety. The fact that you even mention it, suggest that you are the cautious sort to not flash an expensive watch or pick a fight with a local. You will be fine.

Amjeck
01-28-10, 11:48
But what intrigues me is, if you are ‘God’s gift to women’ like you imply and can get freebies, even from bargirls, why you need to go to either. Surely a DIA/Tagged trawl before you left home, either in the LOS or Philippines section, would result in a long queue of potentials just aching to jump into bed with you.

If I was a young buck again (rather than an ‘old fart’:D), I would steer well clear of p4p destinations such as Angeles and maybe even Pattaya.


Yah, I read Patty Boys report and can concur that I had the same freebies in Pat, Bkk, and Phuket when I was the same age. But I soon realized that it was dirty *****s that I was getting for free, not the cream of the crop.

If you got game there's really no need to spend lots of time in Angeles or Pattaya.

RCA Knight
01-28-10, 13:37
Definitely think the safety issue of Angeles is blown out of proportion. If you stay around Fields walking around till very late is no problem if you set the caution level to low-medium, because there are always lots of people on the main street till morning.

If you stay Perimeter, ride the trike at night, not advisable to walk all the way to Fields when dark.

Don't let the armed guard at 24 hours fast food like Mc, Chow King, Jollibee scare you. They are keeping the area very safe.

Betong
01-28-10, 17:58
If you got game there's really no need to spend lots of time in Angeles or Pattaya.Maybe no need, but why not? They both offer great fun, pure and simple.

Wonderer
01-28-10, 18:09
All hotels in AC offer pick-up from Manila airport. I usually stay at the Lewis Grande, and they charge 3000 PHP. It's the best, safest and fastest way.

Don't try the walk-in thing. At least, book for the first two or three nights. But you don't want to end up with no room when you arrive. I experienced that all (good) hotels were fully booked, even two or three weeks ahead, when there is peak time.

I stayed at the Clarkton before (nice, good with own bar and girls, but a bit outside), or more recently at the Lewis Grande. This is still enough close to Fields (you might even walk) and is a bit more quiet than directly in the middle of all the action. Both hotels are a bit more expensive than others, but also offer good quality. For the Clarkton, the best is to call them (email sometimes gets "lost"). For the Lewis Grande, you may book via their website, which is very convenient (http://www.lewisgrand.com/)

Wonderer


Some questions: If I'm going to Angeles for the first time and alone, which way should I go from the Manila airport? Get a taxi or by bus? Around how much should I expect to pay so I don't get ripped off?

Do I need to reserve a hotel room ahead of time, or can I do a walk-in check in? Which hotel is decent but kinda close to fields?

Thanks

Pete Benetar
01-29-10, 00:54
I arrive in Manila 12:25 am Feb 12 and plan to do one of the shuttles if anyone else happens to be arriving at or about same time. No reservations yet as have not yet decided on hotel but the 2-3 others I've looked at all have the pickup service available from Manila airport.


All hotels in AC offer pick-up from Manila airport. I usually stay at the Lewis Grande, and they charge 3000 PHP. It's the best, safest and fastest way.

Don't try the walk-in thing. At least, book for the first two or three nights. But you don't want to end up with no room when you arrive. I experienced that all (good) hotels were fully booked, even two or three weeks ahead, when there is peak time.

I stayed at the Clarkton before (nice, good with own bar and girls, but a bit outside), or more recently at the Lewis Grande. This is still enough close to Fields (you might even walk) and is a bit more quiet than directly in the middle of all the action. Both hotels are a bit more expensive than others, but also offer good quality. For the Clarkton, the best is to call them (email sometimes gets "lost"). For the Lewis Grande, you may book via their website, which is very convenient (http://www.lewisgrand.com/)

Wonderer

Cunning Stunt
01-29-10, 03:03
Well, there is more total crime in Pattaya, but then it's a far, far bigger scene than AC. Proportionally I suspect AC is just as dangerous (or as safe), but in different ways.



I wasn't aware that Pats was more unsafe than AC. Never once did I feel threatened while there.

True but when something bad happens in Angeles, we all hear about it here, such as the recent beating up of a foreign tourist. So we all know that its a comparatively rare event. But in Pattaya, it is so common and more or less a daily event that it is not really big news.

Last time that I was in Pattaya, I saw two fights between locals and tourists, one in which two bargirls beat the crap out of a drunk tourist. And I was only there 4 nights! Druggings are again on the increase and mysterious deaths are common. Its a dangerous place for the unwary.

Much more disturbingly, I found out yesterday that an acquaintance of mine has died in Pattaya. Brits who stay at or drink at the Lord Nelson on Soi 6 will probably know the co-owner 'Geordie' John Garbutt. He was found dead, Wednesday afternoon in his apartment with a serious head wound. Police are investigating.

Matius
01-29-10, 06:39
remember my wife is filipina so I learned both of them from her. I didn’t think I was the only person here who speaks Tagalog. hmm, well maybe I am. Ilocano, yeah I’m probably the only person here who speaks that though.

Thanks for clarifying that, no disrespect intended.

Matius
01-29-10, 06:51
Some questions: If I'm going to Angeles for the first time and alone, which way should I go from the Manila airport? Get a taxi or by bus? Around how much should I expect to pay so I don't get ripped off?

Do I need to reserve a hotel room ahead of time, or can I do a walk-in check in? Which hotel is decent but kinda close to fields?

Thanks

I think you've had some good responses, but to support what some are saying. Many hotels are not fully booked, so walking the streets to an experienced visitor is certainly an option. For your first time, you really should book a hotel, then if it does not meet your standards, you can always take a walk to see first hand the other options. I think any hotel will take a walk in if they have rooms available.

I would also agree with others to have your hotel book your pick up. In fact it will be a little more expensive than you might otherwise arrange, but how much negotiation or headaches do you want after coming off a long flight. I am a little dated on the pricing, but someone suggested 2500 to 3000p and that sounds about right. Once more experienced, you can get cheaper, but for the first timer, pay a little extra until you educate yourself. Another possibility is to see if your connections can some how land you at Clark (the Angeles Airport). If you are hubbing out of Hongkong, Bangkok, Singapore and other Asian locations, you might get a direct flight to Clark. Cebu Pacific's website I would recommend for direct points to Clark from overseas. Then your travel to the hotel will be either complimentary by the hotel or a few hundred peso at worst.

Fields and Perimeter road are actually the same road and you may want to be in the center. On the Fields side, Wild Orchid and Pacific Breeze have good reputations. Closer to the middle, ABC Hotel is the top hotel, little more on Perimeter the Lewis Grand is ok. A lot of people like Clarkton as represented in one of the threads.

Matius
01-29-10, 06:56
Nice take on the issues under discussion Matius, but I had to smile over your reference to Ivana Trump. She is appearing in Celebrity Big Brother UK at the moment. Have a look at the photo and you might be glad that you lost your 'dream of youth':eek:.

Yea, and it shows what an old c..t I've become. Still dreams of Barbie Benton, Sandra Bollock, the girls in the Bangles, or how about Stevie Nicks. Thankfully, I've still got the Philippines where I can have some young 18 year old underneath me as I dream of those now grandmothers.

How about the rest of you, are you dreaming of those grandmothers or are you sleeping with them every night. ha ha ha

Matius
01-29-10, 07:26
anyway, you're probably wondering why this post is in the angeles city section, since i've only spoken about thailand so far. well, i have another 2 weeks of paid vacation coming up in march, and am trying to decide what to do. i will definitely spend one of those weeks in pattaya again, but i am considering spending the other week in angeles city. i am interested for several reasons: 1) i have heard of angeles city as a good place for mongering, comparable to thailand, 2) i find phillipino girls very attractive, 3) i heard that they speak better english, which is a huge plus to me. however, i have been slightly deterred due to reading about potential problems regarding safety, violence, corrupt police setting up tourists, theft, etc. are these things avoidable if the proper common sense precautions are taken? i guess what i am wondering is whether these things are considered outlier events, or whether they are considered the norm in angeles city. if they are the norm, i may just consider enjoying the 2 weeks in pattaya, although i am very curious about angeles city. could some of you more experienced travelers give me some feedback on this? i would really appreciate your opinions.

thanks!


the pricing is different in angeles, the barfine is all inclusive and you only have the tip the girl if you decide. in pattaya the bar release did not include what you had to negotiate with the girl. i also remember many of the girls being reluctant to take money or state their price in pattaya, but hear that has changed. i don't know its been a few years. but in angeles, the bar states the price, if you want to give the girl a tip afterward, that is your choice and she will be appreciative.

if someone told me they had been to angeles, but never pattaya, i would recommend they go to thailand. its like golfing on only one course your whole life, you may decide on a favorite, but should try some variety. cebu pacific has very affordable flights between bangkok and clark (airport in angeles) as i've stated in numerous posts, i live in angeles, i've never been vicitimized by crime, assaulted or set up by the police. i walk up and down the streets, both perimeter and fields during the day and at the nights. but at night, particularly late, i would take a trike on all but walking street on fields.

as your primary question relates to security some further detail. the big no no's here in angeles are drugs and **** girls. call it a set up or enforcement filipino style, if caught with either, you are in for a long night or days in jail and going to pay a lot of money, at the very least. very simply to avoid both, don't pick girls up off the street, use the bars and don't go with or engage in conversations or go anywhere with the street vendors or beggars. some will argue they do these things with no problems, but my advice to you is how to ensure you have absolutely no problems.

assuming you don't plan on lying dead drunk in the middle of the street, your biggest threat of crime is pick pockets, its not epidemic, but can be avoided by not carrying your wallet in your back pocket, having your front pants pockets inside the main cloth of your pants (they got a little trick of using a razor blade to slice open those front outside pants pockets with the zipper at the top). and finally don't carry all your cash, only what you need and keep the rest in the safe in the hotel.

similar to thailand, you don't want to go out of your way to engage the local males in a conflict. keep a smile on your face, be respectful and you will have no problems. like the thais and many parts of asia, if you take face away from the local filipino, then you might have problems.

in summary, what you often see on these boards are blown way out of proportion in regards to safety in angeles. in the last couple of years, local officials have taken great efforts to eliminate those few people and officials that were victimizing tourists, they finally got it that if there are no tourists there will be no money for them. incidents of violence are no more numerous than any other city, but often there is a story behind it and which the incident could have been avoided (not always). you may develop a preference on pattaya versus angeles, but suggest you will not regret at least having made a visit here.

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Youngster420
01-29-10, 10:13
Thanks for all the great replies. The reason I ask about the reservation is because I'm going on short notice. Like within 5 days or so. Some of you mentioned reserving weeks even months in advance. Hopefully I can get a room. From the earlier posts (before the age arguments) it sounds like Angeles is pretty dead in terms of tourists at the moment?

Interested in a basic room at Pacific Breeze, if not then hopefully one or two steps up, but nothing too expensive.

Patty Boy
01-29-10, 10:39
the pricing is different in angeles, the barfine is all inclusive and you only have the tip the girl if you decide. in pattaya the bar release did not include what you had to negotiate with the girl. i also remember many of the girls being reluctant to take money or state their price in pattaya, but hear that has changed. i don't know its been a few years. but in angeles, the bar states the price, if you want to give the girl a tip afterward, that is your choice and she will be appreciative.

if someone told me they had been to angeles, but never pattaya, i would recommend they go to thailand. its like golfing on only one course your whole life, you may decide on a favorite, but should try some variety. cebu pacific has very affordable flights between bangkok and clark (airport in angeles) as i've stated in numerous posts, i live in angeles, i've never been vicitimized by crime, assaulted or set up by the police. i walk up and down the streets, both perimeter and fields during the day and at the nights. but at night, particularly late, i would take a trike on all but walking street on fields.

as your primary question relates to security some further detail. the big no no's here in angeles are drugs and **** girls. call it a set up or enforcement filipino style, if caught with either, you are in for a long night or days in jail and going to pay a lot of money, at the very least. very simply to avoid both, don't pick girls up off the street, use the bars and don't go with or engage in conversations or go anywhere with the street vendors or beggars. some will argue they do these things with no problems, but my advice to you is how to ensure you have absolutely no problems.

assuming you don't plan on lying dead drunk in the middle of the street, your biggest threat of crime is pick pockets, its not epidemic, but can be avoided by not carrying your wallet in your back pocket, having your front pants pockets inside the main cloth of your pants (they got a little trick of using a razor blade to slice open those front outside pants pockets with the zipper at the top). and finally don't carry all your cash, only what you need and keep the rest in the safe in the hotel.

similar to thailand, you don't want to go out of your way to engage the local males in a conflict. keep a smile on your face, be respectful and you will have no problems. like the thais and many parts of asia, if you take face away from the local filipino, then you might have problems.

in summary, what you often see on these boards are blown way out of proportion in regards to safety in angeles. in the last couple of years, local officials have taken great efforts to eliminate those few people and officials that were victimizing tourists, they finally got it that if there are no tourists there will be no money for them. incidents of violence are no more numerous than any other city, but often there is a story behind it and which the incident could have been avoided (not always). you may develop a preference on pattaya versus angeles, but suggest you will not regret at least having made a visit here.wow, thanks for the great information, and to other posters as well. i think you have hit on all my questions, and i have decided to spend 1 of my 2 weeks in angeles city. i am a fairly cautious, amicable, not a big drinker, and always keep my wallet in my front pocket when traveling, so it sounds like i will hopefully be ok.

Mayntain
01-30-10, 01:40
Wow, thanks for the great information, and to other posters as well. I think you have hit on all my questions, and I have decided to spend 1 of my 2 weeks in Angeles City. I am a fairly cautious, amicable, not a big drinker, and always keep my wallet in my front pocket when traveling, so it sounds like I will hopefully be ok.
A guy would have to be a deaf&dumb idiot not to feel someone using a razor blade to cut their pants pocket! They need to be ripped off if they can't stop that crime from happening!

X Man
01-30-10, 13:04
Warbucks,
I never saw the quoted post from JS, and quite frankly, it's not necessary to quote this kind of dirt and drag it into an otherwise peaceful thread. I have yet to see any redeeming quality to the posts from JS and therefore I usually ignore him (assuming it's male of course). You, my antagonistic friend, drive me up a wall, but you have numerous redeeming qualities. After a few beers, I'll think of what they are... :-)

Also, you managed to get the FIGHT CLUB thread deleted by appealing directly to the list master, so please think twice before you initiate animosity on the regular threads. I realize you were just "taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)", but you should know by now that I'm easily excited -- just ask your admirer Cunning stunted...

Lastly, you seem to exagerrate the differences between contributors at ISG: young vs. old / well off vs "rubbing pennies" / black vs non black. Therefore, it seems ingenious for you to suddenly come up with "us 'Americans'".

As for confronting CS, I probably would have ignored him if he had ever agreed to meeting me. Cluck, cluck. I was pretty sure I wouldn't hear from him.

You should know that Warbucks. You've asked to meet me several times. I've always respectfully declined or ignored you. I never said yes, and then did a no show. Right? You remember? You got records of everthing, if I'm not mistaken!!!! Give me a break instead of insulting me!

X


Let me get this straight JS with all the dust he kicks up around here he chickened out on meeting you in real life. Hmmm I thought us “Americans” were made of tougher stuff.

X Man
01-30-10, 13:13
Well, I can only hope someone gives it a try on Mr. Mayntain (nice handle, btw). Maybe he'll learn a bit of humility. If one detects the theft in progress, one might find oneself acquainted with something more than a razor blade.

The fact that this type of theft is fairly common around the world indicates that it is profitable.

Actually the gal who sucked and fkd me like crazy last night and this morning (not in PI) told me the story of getting jostled on a bus in Italy. She thought she was going to be molested and hugged her bag across her chest. Later she found that they had cut out the side of the bag. Nothing too valuable was lost, but it scared the sht out of her. (Don't carry more than you care to lose -- or at least carry it in different places)

I had a wallet disappear on a jeepney in Angeles City. I was on a jeepney from church (downtown) back to the tenderloin. I think I should have donated much, much more. It would have gone to a better cause.

If it's crowded, and you are getting jostled quite a bit, keep your hand on the most important thing. On a jeepney, that would be your money. In the bar, that would be your...




A guy would have to be a deaf&dumb idiot not to feel someone using a razor blade to cut their pants pocket! They need to be ripped off if they can't stop that crime from happening!

Sharka
01-31-10, 00:35
A guy would have to be a deaf&dumb idiot not to feel someone using a razor blade to cut their pants pocket! They need to be ripped off if they can't stop that crime from happening!


Actually, for the record, this statement is not true. I've witness this TWICE already in my lifetime (once in HK and another time in my home city). Both times the victims were unaware it was happening until I yelled out and alerted them. Wallets were not yet taken but pockets were slashed. They looked more like regular business men and far from being deaf or dumb.
So, best to take caution as we are dealing with experts that practice this tactic all their lives.

Shark

Matius
01-31-10, 01:34
It was only a sentence in a rather long response, not intending to start a debate on razor blade pickpockets being an urban legend or not. The occurance as the gentleman described it to me occurred in SM Mall, not on the bar's strip. The guy was a local resident and it was in the afternoon as he was shopping. My primary point was that I've had a couple of guys tell me about incidents of being pickpocketed. In most it appears they were in a position of being known to be carrying signficant sums (dollars or thousands of peso, or wearing expensive jewlrey). Even a slightly experienced Monger knows not to flash large sums of money. So the suggestion I thought is good advice whether in Angeles, or in Italy for that matter.

The point is from a crime standpoint, good common sense and some basic rules when travelling in a foreign country, can help in avoiding any trouble.

X Man
01-31-10, 01:37
Harry the Horse (web site) has also warned people about pickpockets at the mall. If anyone bumps you or drops something near you, you best pay attention to your wallet.

X


It was only a sentence in a rather long response, not intending to start a debate on razor blade pickpockets being an urban legend or not. The occurance as the gentleman described it to me occurred in SM Mall, not on the bar's strip. The guy was a local resident and it was in the afternoon as he was shopping. My primary point was that I've had a couple of guys tell me about incidents of being pickpocketed. In most it appears they were in a position of being known to be carrying signficant sums (dollars or thousands of peso, or wearing expensive jewlrey). Even a slightly experienced Monger knows not to flash large sums of money. So the suggestion I thought is good advice whether in Angeles, or in Italy for that matter.

The point is from a crime standpoint, good common sense and some basic rules when travelling in a foreign country, can help in avoiding any trouble.

Fahren
01-31-10, 02:50
It was only a sentence in a rather long response, not intending to start a debate on razor blade pickpockets being an urban legend or not. The occurance as the gentleman described it to me occurred in SM Mall, not on the bar's strip. The guy was a local resident and it was in the afternoon as he was shopping. My primary point was that I've had a couple of guys tell me about incidents of being pickpocketed. In most it appears they were in a position of being known to be carrying signficant sums (dollars or thousands of peso, or wearing expensive jewlrey). Even a slightly experienced Monger knows not to flash large sums of money. So the suggestion I thought is good advice whether in Angeles, or in Italy for that matter.

The point is from a crime standpoint, good common sense and some basic rules when travelling in a foreign country, can help in avoiding any trouble.And beware, if you're on a Jeepney it could be the guy 2 up from you doing the job. I was on a jeepney in Olongapo, the one next to me had a briefcase on his knees and made sure I could see both his hands in the open. His mate 2 up slipped his hand behind him and tried my pocket. When I reacted both jumped off quickly.

Five10
01-31-10, 04:24
[QUOTE=Youngster420]Thanks for all the great replies. The reason I ask about the reservation is because I'm going on short notice. Like within 5 days or so. Some of you mentioned reserving weeks even months in advance. Hopefully I can get a room. From the earlier posts (before the age arguments) it sounds like Angeles is pretty dead in terms of tourists at the moment?

Dead?.seems pretty lively to me. Took me 30 minutes on a trike at 8 pm Sat night to get from Fields down perimeter and to the clarkton. Made the best of it though as my girl was quite amorous in the trike amid the chaos.

Stayed 12 hours.3 rounds. Damage 1500 p plus 500 p tip-43. 50 USD

1st trip to angeles after 30 days in Thailand. Upon arrival and perusal of the scene here I was thinking about leaving immediately. After last night and it's positive events I've decided to stay another few days. Getting acclimated

BTW-made my reso at the clarkton 1 day in advance.

Best,

Five10

Five10
01-31-10, 04:35
Bought a box of same on the street in angeles yesterday for 1000 p...10 pills

Seemed to work...result not stronfer than the 20 mg I buy in the states.

Anyone else try this stuff?

Did a on line search-I don't see it advertised anywhere.

Best

Five10

BillB
01-31-10, 12:00
Harry the Horse (web site) has also warned people about pickpockets at the mall. If anyone bumps you or drops something near you, you best pay attention to your wallet.

XWhat I always do, whether I am travelling or not is have a fat target for them. I carry an old wallet with some folded up paper to add to the thickness and a few low denomination bills inside. I carry it in my left rear pocket and I pat it frequently to add to the illusion. I carry my money in my right front pocket.

Blackangst
01-31-10, 21:36
Nice take on the issues under discussion Matius, but I had to smile over your reference to Ivana Trump. She is appearing in Celebrity Big Brother UK at the moment. Have a look at the photo and you might be glad that you lost your 'dream of youth':eek:.

well, her daughter Ivanka is pretty nice to look at ;)

Blackangst
01-31-10, 22:13
uh, yeah right! ‘sooo much free pussy’ <- I don’t even think so. You guys pay and you know it. Probably not P4P but you take them out to eat at nice restaurants, you all stay at nice hotels, you all dress nice purposely, etc. Most of us who score for free don’t have to do ANY of that. It is our good looks, strength/vigour, and youth that gets us the poon tang. We can pull hotties dressed however we like and wherever not doing all that extra stuff that you old guys have to do. but you all call that ‘treating girls with respect’ haha, yeah sure, whatever works for you.


haha.
The point is no-one is saying that you older guys don’t get free poon or that just because you are old that means you totally suck. For me personally, all I’m plainly saying is that without all the money that you older guys have from working and saving during your lifetime, when compared to younger good looking guys, we will just about win every single time. Some women just like older guys but that is super tiny minority just like some guys like older women. I don’t really care either way because I know that we are all heading in the same direction. I’ll be old one day just like you all are now and I am not hiding or denying the fact that I will depend on the money that I’m saving up to get different poon daily. But to state that age doesn’t matter to girls in the P.I. and that older guys are the same as younger guys is just totally fucking wrong! And I don’t even see how everyone is debating this. As I said before, are any of you older guys chasing old ass grannies? I don’t fucking think so...

wow youre a piece of work. Aside from my own comments and others on the subject, let me give you some insight. Now mind you this is a generality. First of all, working girls aside, asian and filipina specifically arent like your average money ho in the states. They posses a respect and "woman-ness" most women in the states dont find until theyre grannies. As we as men get older, we like that. We like the GFE. Guys like you typically dont. Youre just looking for a hole to fill, and thats it. So in a way, older guys are looking for something different than you. That said, the reason the older crowd has better luck (and we do) than arrogant youngsters overseas, is we know how treat a woman. You may think you do, but you dont. Looks can only get you so far. But Ill tell you our experience nets us GFE all night long.

I have a friend who I met when she was 15, and that was 8 years ago. Since then she danced for a few years in Greenbelt. The thing she told me about younger guys is, "I may be a prostitute, but at least most older guys dont treat me like one." THAT is truth. Typically its younger guys who point and shoot in the bar, then wonder why they didnt get GFE. Guess what sparky-if you treat it like a business transaction, so will she. If you look through the various mongering boards you will find a consistant theme: ones who get runners or service other than expected are either young or were the point and click types. Having years experience and a marriage to a pinay, I can tell you when you strut around with your good looking self the only one youre impressing is yourself. That shit tujrns pinays off. You mistakenly think the most important thing is your looks. Typically naivity of youth.

Would we older guys have the same luck you do back home as you with younger girls? Probably not. But guess what partner-most of us wouldnt want what youre supposedly getting for free anyway. You can have em.

Generally speaking, of course ;)

GregLondon
02-01-10, 01:29
When I die, I want to come back as me--at 40 plus. Be it money or maturity, certainly not looks, never had so much fun until after I turned 40 and went to Asia for the first time. When I think about all the effort and stress required to be with a US. or European girl (notice the singular form of girl), and what can be had in Asia, including the Philippines. I never had as many 18 to 25 year old girls until after I turned 40 and went to Asia. Now in my 50's, the truth remains. Do I really care why this is true--Frankly no. Do I care that I pay $25 U.S.--not really as what does it cost to date in the U.S. Maybe things have changed dramatically in the U.S. since I was young, but I just don't remember suggesting to that 18 year old beauty that for $50 would she and her friend entertain giving me a good BJ and F, and having it happen every night if I wanted, with different girls. What I remember, once turning thirty and being single, was a dating pool around the same age, with their young kids and arrogant ex husband.

The point remains, if you are middle aged, been through that divorce, feeling your prime sex life has passed you by, then get on a plane, come to PI and live and be treated like a movie star. Can you imagine, finding that special someone, say a 20 year old beauty, going home to meet her folks (you with your fat belly and balding head) and have them be absolutely thrilled that you've come into their life. I remember in the U.S. a girl's parent's rejecting me because I was 25 and the girl was 18, too big an age difference. F..K that.

Laylow, I don't take any offense by the above report, and would not care if you have an advantage due to your age, even if you had wealth. There are so many girls here that are happy to have you (and your young self), but also us "old farts" (and our ugly selves). And as a young man, I would suggest you do stay in the U.S. and build yourself a life as it should be. There is no future here for a young man, but for a man that has already settled his life, career and mind, this is an excellent place to see that he can be appealing to the opposite sex. And while money may be a factor, that translates into providing a comfortable living standard to his girl, not Bill Gates type wealth. I know many retired service men, on pensions who have young beautiful wives, they live on a budget and all are very happy.

As to the mongering aspects, again I just don't think you can effectively date in the U.S. with less than $25 in your pocket, but here you can get a night of passion with a young beautiful women. Yes, you have to buy the plane ticket, but would not your young self also have to pay for transportation to go to spring break. Then even at home you need a car, an apartment, nice clothes, dating money. Here you need board shorts, beach cap, a $1 trike, $60 room and a smile on your face.

Using your report as a reason to respond, the youth culture of western countries and the political correctness of being a "good man vs. a dirty old man" allows middle age men to believe their prime is behind them. Not having the money and/or stature of Donald Trump, the Ivanna's of this world are a lost dream of youth. BS, come here, don't sit at home with your internet porn and having to go to hooters to see a pair of young breasts. Live like Hugh Hefner, without the magazine or the wealth. There are places all over the world with a different perspective to age than one sees in Europe or the U.S. and I believe Angeles City is the mecca of that perspective.

Nice post Matius, but let's remember that the PI is such a great place precisely because it's not completely overrun with people like us. if all the guys that should come here if they had any sense did come here, it wouldn't be the same. It would go the same way as Costa Rica. Fortunately the PI is a LONG flight from the US and most of the Euro guys are still too distracted with Thailand. There is talk in Pattaya of a new crackdown which would stop bar owners from earning bar fines. of course it will probably amount to nothing as the police in places like Pattaya are largely finanaced by the sex scene, but just suppose it was and all those who currently throng Pattaya came to PI. Disaster.

Matius
02-01-10, 02:04
Bought a box of same on the street in angeles yesterday for 1000 p...10 pills

Seemed to work...result not stronfer than the 20 mg I buy in the states.

Anyone else try this stuff?

Did a on line search-I don't see it advertised anywhere.

Best

Five10

Most of the occasional bad things that happen to people have a beginning in doing something they shouldn't. I think it has been repeated over and over here in this forum. Don't engage with the street vendors in Angeles. That is how you get ripped off, that is how you get pick pocketed and that is how you get set up by the police. Some may say they do this, the point is to avoid the potential, particularly if you don't know what you are doing.

Ok, think about this, you are buying drugs on the street???? First, you paid too much for it, its counterfeit products and sells for less than half. Second, you have no idea what you have put in your mouth, because it is counterfeit. Third, in the Philippines, you can buy cialis or viagra in any drug store without a prescription, even some of them sell counterfeit, but go to Mason drugs on Fields down from Magarita station, they sell the original, but it is the regular price. Most small bars, if you speak with the owner or manager can get you some of the knock-off stuff that they know to be good. Also some of the Chinese stuff, that is suppose to work. Finally, you are buying a controlled substance on the street, when you make your purchase and take the box, you have no idea what is in it, if so inclined any police man could stop and hold you.

Happy you are ok and nothing bad happened, but its just good advice to avoid these guys and girls on the street. The same to be said for the flower girls, cigarette guys, sunglass guys, any of them, I always avoid.

Matius
02-01-10, 02:49
Nice post Matius, but let's remember that the PI is such a great place precisely because it's not completely overrun with people like us. if all the guys that should come here if they had any sense did come here, it wouldn't be the same. It would go the same way as Costa Rica. Fortunately the PI is a LONG flight from the US and most of the Euro guys are still too distracted with Thailand. There is talk in Pattaya of a new crackdown which would stop bar owners from earning bar fines. of course it will probably amount to nothing as the police in places like Pattaya are largely finanaced by the sex scene, but just suppose it was and all those who currently throng Pattaya came to PI. Disaster.

What you say about Thailand, I've heard a variation that the local officials are trying to squeeze out the foreign bar owners. I have no first hand information on such, but it seems more and more loyal Thailand visitors are starting to come to AC. Even talked to a bar owner in Thailand who was selling out and thinking of buying in AC. He was not clear on why he wanted to move. It is also common knowledge that where once the occasional visa runs, now are required once every month or two, again see more Thailand expat's thinking of moving to PH.

I hear what you are saying about being over-run with tourists, simply not the case right now in AC. I suggest I am being overly conservative to believe there are 10 girls to every guy here, right now. Maybe its a hundred to every guy. But my point is less to promote AC tourism, rather a passion to undermine that western youth culture that strives to make every middle age man believe his life now consists of watching football on TV and drinking beer at home. Yes, it is a long flight from the U.S. to PH, but how many drive from say Michigan to Florida for a vacation. And here Minnie Mouse does not wear clothes. What satisfaction for every guy who comes here and say's he is a new man. For every guy going through a divorce, mid life crisis or plan feeling of lost youth, the doctor should prescribe a dose of Angeles City. Then getting back to Thailand (I don't know much about Costa Rica), while its been a few years and would still recommend it to someone, the one thing I did not like were the shirtless apes walking up and down the street being rude and obnoxious. I hope to be speaking to a different audience and would not like to see them here in Angeles.

GregLondon
02-01-10, 02:55
[QUOTE=Youngster420]Thanks for all the great replies. The reason I ask about the reservation is because I'm going on short notice. Like within 5 days or so. Some of you mentioned reserving weeks even months in advance. Hopefully I can get a room. From the earlier posts (before the age arguments) it sounds like Angeles is pretty dead in terms of tourists at the moment?

Dead?.seems pretty lively to me. Took me 30 minutes on a trike at 8 pm Sat night to get from Fields down perimeter and to the clarkton. Made the best of it though as my girl was quite amorous in the trike amid the chaos.

Stayed 12 hours.3 rounds. Damage 1500 p plus 500 p tip-43. 50 USD

1st trip to Angeles after 30 days in Thailand. Upon arrival and perusal of the scene here I was thinking about leaving immediately. After last night and it's positive events I've decided to stay another few days. Getting acclimated

BTW-made my reso at the clarkton 1 day in advance.

Best,

Five10

Actually I am similarly just arrived after 30 days in Thailand. I can understand your initial reaction. The infrastructure in Angeles is poor, the food and accommodation inferior to Thailand and the bars / shows less interesting. Yet having been here 4 times before, I'm relieved to get away from Thailand and starting thinking of my 30 days in Pattaya as a waste of my time. Why? The girls here are much nicer, even in Angeles where because of the commercialisation it is perhaps more difficult than anywhere else in PI to find good girls. In Pattaya now it's increasingly difficult for me to find decent 18-25 year olds without a baby who will go with me for 500B even short time. Most of the real lookers in that category are now working at gogos or bars with 300-600B bar fine and a 1000-2000B price expectation. Typically they are not keen to stay all night as they either want to fit in another short time or get drunk and go dancing til 5am with their friends. What's the situation in Phils? I log on to YM and within 5 mins 3 18-20 year old cuties I had previously contacted me through DIA are asking when they can come around. 30 mins later a 19 year old with a 2000B short time body in Pattaya shows up for what she insists is her first experience with a foreigner. After taking me three times during the day I was woken up by her gently rubbing herself against my body during the night, I slid my hand down her nubile young body to find her pussy soaking wet. I silently slipped on a condom to give her satisfaction before contentedly falling asleep again.

She says she wants to stay with me as long as i want. She lost her 150P a day sales lady job a couple of weeks ago. Her aunty with whom she lives gave her the 75P trike fare to come to me and was texting her to encourage her to stay when she was nervously texting with her cell phone whilst I was in the shower before the first fuck (nervous about my size).

So far she has cost me an 89P c1 meal at Jollybees. Says its up to m if i give her anything. She said she had a girl friend whilst at school and enjoyed kissing her so the next challenge is to find a suitable playmate for a threesome.

In Pattaya this girl would have fucked me for 30 mins , then disappeared to the bathroom the instant i came come out dressed and determined to leave even if i had agreed long time.

Much as i love Tom Yum, I think I'll take the Jollybees

GregLondon
02-01-10, 05:13
What you say about Thailand, I've heard a variation that the local officials are trying to squeeze out the foreign bar owners. I have no first hand information on such, but it seems more and more loyal Thailand visitors are starting to come to AC. Even talked to a bar owner in Thailand who was selling out and thinking of buying in AC. He was not clear on why he wanted to move. It is also common knowledge that where once the occasional visa runs, now are required once every month or two, again see more Thailand expat's thinking of moving to PH.

I hear what you are saying about being over-run with tourists, simply not the case right now in AC. I suggest I am being overly conservative to believe there are 10 girls to every guy here, right now. Maybe its a hundred to every guy. But my point is less to promote AC tourism, rather a passion to undermine that western youth culture that strives to make every middle age man believe his life now consists of watching football on TV and drinking beer at home. Yes, it is a long flight from the U.S. to PH, but how many drive from say Michigan to Florida for a vacation. And here Minnie Mouse does not wear clothes. What satisfaction for every guy who comes here and say's he is a new man. For every guy going through a divorce, mid life crisis or plan feeling of lost youth, the doctor should prescribe a dose of Angeles City. Then getting back to Thailand (I don't know much about Costa Rica), while its been a few years and would still recommend it to someone, the one thing I did not like were the shirtless apes walking up and down the street being rude and obnoxious. I hope to be speaking to a different audience and would not like to see them here in Angeles.

Yes rather embarrassingly many of those shirtless apes in Pattaya are British. The problem in CR is not that the Americans that go there are of that ilk, they are mostly reasonably respectable middle aged guys. The issue is that they have imported US attitudes and prices. IN South America i prefer Colombia because alot of American guys are still worried about going there because they think they will get kidnapped or something. generally it takes about 10 years after a change that the news filters through to average Americans so I guess Colombia has about 5 good years left before it too gets swamped.

GregLondon
02-01-10, 05:49
wow youre a piece of work. Aside from my own comments and others on the subject, let me give you some insight. Now mind you this is a generality. First of all, working girls aside, asian and filipina specifically arent like your average money ho in the states. They posses a respect and "woman-ness" most women in the states dont find until theyre grannies. As we as men get older, we like that. We like the GFE. Guys like you typically dont. Youre just looking for a hole to fill, and thats it. So in a way, older guys are looking for something different than you. That said, the reason the older crowd has better luck (and we do) than arrogant youngsters overseas, is we know how treat a woman. You may think you do, but you dont. Looks can only get you so far. But Ill tell you our experience nets us GFE all night long.

I have a friend who I met when she was 15, and that was 8 years ago. Since then she danced for a few years in Greenbelt. The thing she told me about younger guys is, "I may be a prostitute, but at least most older guys dont treat me like one." THAT is truth. Typically its younger guys who point and shoot in the bar, then wonder why they didnt get GFE. Guess what sparky-if you treat it like a business transaction, so will she. If you look through the various mongering boards you will find a consistant theme: ones who get runners or service other than expected are either young or were the point and click types. Having years experience and a marriage to a pinay, I can tell you when you strut around with your good looking self the only one youre impressing is yourself. That shit tujrns pinays off. You mistakenly think the most important thing is your looks. Typically naivity of youth.

Would we older guys have the same luck you do back home as you with younger girls? Probably not. But guess what partner-most of us wouldnt want what youre supposedly getting for free anyway. You can have em.

Generally speaking, of course ;)

Seems to me (speaking as a middle aged guy) that Laylow has made some more reasonable points than he has been given credit for.

I think women think about several issues when considering a partner: in order of priority:

1 immediate food rent and basic needs and if she has become addicted, drugs and alcohol
2 long term prospects for support
3 sexual fulfilment and attraction.

If she has no cash at all, No 1 is the overriding priority, if her immediate needs are covered then she starts thinking about no2 and if that is resolved then no 3.

For the typical Pattaya girl on beach road No 1 is the priority. In this case older guys are much preferred as they will generally pay up, and not fuck them too hard (so they can have more customers per day). Many of the beach road girls will not be at all keen on guys under 30 if they have a choice.

For most girls one meets in Phils, No 2 is the top priority. They are not concerned about how many times or how strongly guys fuck them because they dont get the traffic that the Pattaya beach road girls can get. Most Phil girls will conclude that the chances of a Western guy under 35 wanting to settle down and marry them are close to zero as such guys have so many other choices sexually, so they will generally target guys over 35 who they figure are better prospects for a long term meal ticket.

Many of the top end gogo or bar girls have got priorities 1 and 2 covered. they are making say 30,000-70,000B a month so 1 is not a concern. In many cases they have a couple of suckers in Europe sending them 10-20,000 a month if they promise to be a good girl. So after a quick bar fine and short time they head out to the discos with their friends and are often willing to give a freebie to a young handsome western guy (a) because they may find him attractive and like the way he fucks and (b) because being seen with such a guy is a high status simple amongst their friends. Alternatively, maybe 50% of the girls in Pattaya have young Thai boyfriends, often the moto riders to whom they give free sex and maybe half their earnings in return for supposed love but in fact more typically, being treated like shit.

In the West, the availability of decently paid jobs or social security means that the majority of girls have 1 covered. The legally and socially imposed monogamy means that they are not all competing for a slice of a few rich and wealthy guys (as is the case with the relatively small number of foreigners in the phils), this means that 2 can be more or less set aside during her 20s and she can concentrate on factor 3. ie looking for handsome guys of a comparable age to herself.

Greg

Nvslim
02-01-10, 11:51
The Jan 2010 newsletter is available at:

http://www.margarita-station.com/newsletters/jan2010/

Slim

Poopbunny
02-01-10, 12:20
The Jan 2010 newsletter is available at:

http://www.margarita-station.com/newsletters/jan2010/

Slim

Uh oh. I hope this does not make AC the next Pattaya.

There were times when I thought AC was such a pain getting to, especially with Cebu Pacific credit card hassles. Less frequent flights. etc.

But that sort of makes it unspoiled.


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Kuwait-based firm to develop airport
Wednesday, January 6, 2010

CLARK FREEPORT -- A Kuwait-based firm, Almal Investment Company, has committed to develop the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) with a total investment of $1.2 billion. Clark International Airport Corporation Chairman Nestor S. Mangio said Almal Investment Company, a subsidiary of M.A. Kharafi Group, has sent to his office a proposal for the development of the Clark airport. In its proposal dated December 24, 2009, the company expressed its desire to develop all civil components of DMIA Terminal 1, 2, and 3 based on the corporation's master plan. "Almal Investment Company is committed to the development of Terminal 2 at a total investment of $100 million representing Phase 1 [of the whole project]. It will be completed in two years after the signing of the Joint Venture Agreement," Mangio said. Terminal 2 will have a total floor area of 35,000 square meters and a capacity of seven million passengers per year, according to Mangio. The components of the project include airport equipment of DMIA 2, airport plaza, transport plaza, covered parking area, expansion of existing apron facilities, widening and improvement of access roads with interchanges, among others. "The company develops aerotropolis. It builds cities around airports," Mangio said. Upon signing and execution of the Concession Agreement, Almal-Pride Consortium shall pay CIAC non-refundable goodwill money in the amount of P100 million. "So far, it is the most firm offer with the amount of goodwill money of P100 million which the company will give to the government," Mangio said. The CIAC Board already approved on Monday the company's proposal and that a draft of the legal contract is now being prepared, according to Mangio. Almal will form a Joint Venture Company with CIAC on a 70/30 sharing. "CIAC will get 30 percent of the JVCO for contributing the leasehold rights over the land," Mangio said. CIAC will not contribute cash nor issue a government guarantee for the project, he added. The duration of the Joint Venture Agreement is 45 years, renewable for another 25 years subject to mutual agreement of the parties involved and the limitations imposed by the laws, rules, and regulations of the Philippines. Mangio said the company will review the feasibility study and develop a master plan within six months. Firms, which participated in the previous biddings for the development of the DMIA are welcome to challenge Almal Investment Company, CIAC officials said. (RGN)

Mister Fusion
02-01-10, 12:27
Does Voodoo Lounge have a ST room?

Poopbunny
02-01-10, 12:29
Bought a box of same on the street in angeles yesterday for 1000 p...10 pills

Seemed to work...result not stronfer than the 20 mg I buy in the states.

Anyone else try this stuff?

Did a on line search-I don't see it advertised anywhere.

Best

Five10

Its fake but will probably have the correct active ingredient.

Not sure about 50g ones. I have seen them sell like a bulk 50 or 100 tab, not sure about those either. From memory, 1 box 20mg x 4 pills should be about 200p.

To minimize any rip offs, buy 1 sample packet and tell the vendor you will be back for more if it works. When buying multiple packets, get him to take it out of the box to check he's not selling you an empty box.

Blackangst
02-01-10, 17:37
Seems to me (speaking as a middle aged guy) that Laylow has made some more reasonable points than he has been given credit for.

I think women think about several issues when considering a partner: in order of priority:

1 immediate food rent and basic needs and if she has become addicted, drugs and alcohol
2 long term prospects for support
3 sexual fulfilment and attraction.

If she has no cash at all, No 1 is the overriding priority, if her immediate needs are covered then she starts thinking about no2 and if that is resolved then no 3.

For the typical Pattaya girl on beach road No 1 is the priority. In this case older guys are much preferred as they will generally pay up, and not fuck them too hard (so they can have more customers per day). Many of the beach road girls will not be at all keen on guys under 30 if they have a choice.

For most girls one meets in Phils, No 2 is the top priority. They are not concerned about how many times or how strongly guys fuck them because they dont get the traffic that the Pattaya beach road girls can get. Most Phil girls will conclude that the chances of a Western guy under 35 wanting to settle down and marry them are close to zero as such guys have so many other choices sexually, so they will generally target guys over 35 who they figure are better prospects for a long term meal ticket.

Many of the top end gogo or bar girls have got priorities 1 and 2 covered. they are making say 30,000-70,000B a month so 1 is not a concern. In many cases they have a couple of suckers in Europe sending them 10-20,000 a month if they promise to be a good girl. So after a quick bar fine and short time they head out to the discos with their friends and are often willing to give a freebie to a young handsome western guy (a) because they may find him attractive and like the way he fucks and (b) because being seen with such a guy is a high status simple amongst their friends. Alternatively, maybe 50% of the girls in Pattaya have young Thai boyfriends, often the moto riders to whom they give free sex and maybe half their earnings in return for supposed love but in fact more typically, being treated like shit.

In the West, the availability of decently paid jobs or social security means that the majority of girls have 1 covered. The legally and socially imposed monogamy means that they are not all competing for a slice of a few rich and wealthy guys (as is the case with the relatively small number of foreigners in the phils), this means that 2 can be more or less set aside during her 20s and she can concentrate on factor 3. ie looking for handsome guys of a comparable age to herself.

Greg

For the most part I agree with your comments; however, your 3 points can be said for just about ANY woman in ANY country. My comments were directed I guess as to laylow's incorrect statements as to age vs freebies.

Betong
02-01-10, 19:20
uh oh. i hope this does not make ac the next pattaya.i wouldn't start worrying about that yet, at least not based on all the supposed big plans we keep hearing about for dmia.

actually these days, from my part of the world, i already find it just as easy to fly into clark as manila. daily flights from both kl and singapore, and cheap too. now if air asia would just start that bangkok-clark service they keep talking about . . . .

Spook
02-01-10, 23:01
its fake but will probably have the correct active ingredient.
in which case it is clearly not fake.

dont be taken in by the capitalist scammers who are just selling a logo or band name at an inflated price.

Fast Eddie 48
02-02-10, 07:26
Can anyone tell me about DIA is this a dating site or a bar in AC, I will be in town end of the month for a week, if anyone in AC pm me for a drink.

Fast Eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
02-02-10, 07:34
uh oh. i hope this does not make ac the next pattaya.

there were times when i thought ac was such a pain getting to, especially with cebu pacific credit card hassles. less frequent flights. etc.

but that sort of makes it unspoiled.

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kuwait-based firm to develop airport

wednesday, january 6, 2010

clark freeport. a kuwait-based firm, almal investment company, has committed to develop the diosdado macapagal international airport (dmia) with a total investment of $1. 2 billion. clark international airport corporationto poopbunny,

i have been hearing this rumor for the last few yr about the pi goverment like to developed clark to a major international airport and move the international airport in manila to clark.

the goverment want to save money to expanded and build a new airport in manila, i think is a bad idea just too far away from manila don't why anyone want to spend that kind of money in ac.

fast eddie 48

Rubberyman
02-02-10, 12:31
In which case it is clearly not fake.

Dont be taken in by the capitalist scammers who are just selling a logo or band name at an inflated price.

Nah, just save yourself a few paltry dollars and put stuff in your body you haven't a clue what the ingredients are or the cleanliness of the factory that made it.

For a few bucks?

Oh well. To each his own.

There are people who will walk back from the perimeter at night just to save a trike fare.

Up to you if the $$ is that important. Good luck.

X Man
02-02-10, 14:30
C'mon Rubberman, isn't that a bit over the top? If you work for Pfizer, come clean.

I like to walk and have walked after sunset the Field's / Perimter route numerous times - both dirrections. It wasn't to save money. Jeepney is 6 pesos --that's a tough one because I usually leave all change under the pillow for the maid.

Trike is 50 -- wow, breaking the bank on that one. BTW, never had the slightest of problems walking. In AC, I've had more problems dealing with stupid, drunk Westerners inside bars than I've ever had with lurking Filipinos on a dark street.

Generic dikpopper medicine from India works, whether you order it online or just get the drop from a Filipino street seller. Never had a problem here either except for those street sellers who shoot for the moon and /or hard sell when you are walking with a gal. With a gal...why does that irritate me? Lack of respect?

Rubberyman....what did you eat and drink today? You trust those companies? Of course you do...because you have no other choice.

Put the pedal to the metal Toyota customers!

X



Nah, just save yourself a few paltry dollars and put stuff in your body you haven't a clue what the ingredients are or the cleanliness of the factory that made it.

For a few bucks?

Oh well. To each his own.

There are people who will walk back from the perimeter at night just to save a trike fare.

Up to you if the $$ is that important. Good luck.

Youngster420
02-02-10, 17:35
Pacific Breeze ended up taking my next day reservation. Finally here! BF'ed one the night I arrived and another during the day today. Thinking of BF'ing one more for the night.

GregLondon
02-03-10, 01:03
Can anyone tell me about DIA is this a dating site or a bar in AC, I will be in town end of the month for a week, if anyone in AC pm me for a drink.

Fast Eddie 48

It's a dating site http://www.dateinasia.com/

Its main advantage over its two main competitors, http://www.blossoms.com/ and www.filipinaheart.com/ is that whereas those are subscription sites, DIA is totally free though it has more basic functionality. Theoretically its pan asian, though in practice 80% of the girls are from Phils as of course they are on the net much more than other asian girls as their English is better.

Though I've had good luck with it even in Angeles, it's probably true to say that it is least effective in Angeles than just about anywhere else in Phils because in Angeles a girl who is open for a quickie with a foreigner is more than likely working for a bar. Unlike in Thailand the bar girls in AC are much less likely to play outside the bar fine system as such "sneaking out" is often spotted as the tourist area of AC is such a small place and if that gets back to the bar owner the girl will probably be heavily fined or fired.

Rubberyman
02-03-10, 01:05
C'mon Rubberman, isn't that a bit over the top? If you work for Pfizer, come clean.

I like to walk and have walked after sunset the Field's / Perimter route numerous times - both dirrections. It wasn't to save money. Jeepney is 6 pesos --that's a tough one because I usually leave all change under the pillow for the maid.

Trike is 50 -- wow, breaking the bank on that one. BTW, never had the slightest of problems walking. In AC, I've had more problems dealing with stupid, drunk Westerners inside bars than I've ever had with lurking Filipinos on a dark street.

Generic dikpopper medicine from India works, whether you order it online or just get the drop from a Filipino street seller. Never had a problem here either except for those street sellers who shoot for the moon and /or hard sell when you are walking with a gal. With a gal...why does that irritate me? Lack of respect?

Rubberyman....what did you eat and drink today? You trust those companies? Of course you do...because you have no other choice.

Put the pedal to the metal Toyota customers!

X

Hi X, nope I don't work for Pfizer, but I did work for a water utility for many years, and one of my jobs was checking on the production of those bottled water companies locally. Disgusting mate. The bottles looked great, the water looked great, but the conditions of bottling were shite. We closed them down more often than not. They would clean the place up so they complied and then start again. However, because someone was checking, they were clean at least half the time.

What that told me is that unless somebody has a reputation to uphold, and someone is checking all the time, people who produce stuff tend to cut corners. It's why in the Phils etc you expect to get shitty guts unless you do some evaluation of whatever you put in your mouth.

So, I equate using generics with eating at street stalls. And if you had ever seen the conditions of most water bottling companies (in the first world I might add) which were unsupervised and didn't have a big brand name, you would have zero confidence in their cleanliness and quality control.

You seem to me to be a bit of a suspicious and cynical guy, so why do you think that the producers of the generics sold on the street care about their reputation (why would they? They use fake packages) and that they would spend any money on cleanliness (why should they bother?).

Actually, if I really were from Pfizer, my advice to them would be to put some really really bad shit in the generic market using a third party - heh!

Also, I had hoped to make it clear that I thought it was just a risk evaluation process - if people want to use it, by all means. However, to think that the ingredients are checked (even the filler could be bird shit for all anyone knows) or that the conditions of production are sanitary is fairies at the bottom of the garden stuff.

What did I eat and drink today? Well, not from a street stall. But I know plenty who have, most of whom have survived and even enjoyed that food, and tell me I should try it, there's nothing wrong with it etc etc. But I still ain't gonna eat from a street stall.

I'm a wuss, I know. :)

Why do you think that the generics are made in any more sanitary conditions than the street stalls? Why on earth would the producers of these fakes spend the money? What profit is in it for them to make their products in clean factories - that takes money? Why spend that money and reduce their profit? As long as the packet 'looks' clean at point of sale, and there is enough active ingredient to give a buzz, why would a generic manufacturer worry about anything else?

X Man
02-03-10, 03:19
Thanks for the interesting and informative reply RM. I hope no one from Pfizer read your post...you may have given them a very devious idea

BTW, I drink tap water. In Tokyo the public water utility argued that their water was just as good/maybe better than the bottled water. It may have been a publicity stunt at first, but they turned on the tap, put their water in a bottle, and put on a price tag. Apparently people buy the stuff.

http://inventorspot.com/articles/tokyo_bottled_tap_water_sold_5412

So, to get back on post, if you are a cheap Charlie, or have balls of steel, eat monkey meat sold on the street and buy chemicals for your dick from shady guys. Then get drunk and walk down dark streets during the witching hour. Life is an adventure! X



Hi X, nope I don't work for Pfizer, but I did work for a water utility for many years,

SNIP
You seem to me to be a bit of a suspicious and cynical guy, so why do you think that the producers of the generics sold on the street care about their reputation (why would they? They use fake packages) and that they would spend any money on cleanliness (why should they bother?).

Actually, if I really were from Pfizer, my advice to them would be to put some really really bad shit in the generic market using a third party - heh!

SNIP

Why do you think that the generics are made in any more sanitary conditions than the street stalls? Why on earth would the producers of these fakes spend the money? What profit is in it for them to make their products in clean factories - that takes money? Why spend that money and reduce their profit? As long as the packet 'looks' clean at point of sale, and there is enough active ingredient to give a buzz, why would a generic manufacturer worry about anything else?

Matius
02-03-10, 04:30
In which case it is clearly not fake.

Dont be taken in by the capitalist scammers who are just selling a logo or band name at an inflated price.

I am not a drug company executive, but I think you are a little to harsh in your opinion and more importantly may be giving bad advice. If it were not for those capitalist scammers neither Cialis or Viagra would exist such that the street vendors could knock it off. The tests and trails would never have been conducted to see if the active ingredients work and any sale of such in whatever dose would have have been left to the 3rd year primary school graduate with no teeth.

In regards to the general thread on using this stuff off the street, and for a moment let's assume we are speaking to a newbie who knows neither the vendor or the quality of the product before purchase. Everyone throughout the world were outraged to learn the Chinese were putting the ingredients to radiator fluid, plastics and embalming fluid into their milk, dog food, candy, etc. These acts were committed by established and licensed Chinese factories. Now, can you imagine the hygene, quality systems that exist in the factories making these knock off products? Factories that are illegal, even in China, that come under no license, government control or oversight. Its not the active ingredient to be of concern, its the filler they use with the active ingredient. I once heard a story about boycotting a popular fastfood restaurant because employees were caught spitting on the food. The factories that make this stuff could have the employees shitting in the Vat, and what about rats, insects.

I suspect much of this stuff does come from China, but the quality control systems would be no different in an illegal factory in the Philippines. Then too, it is suggested the newbie engage in a transaction for drugs (which if so provoked, the police could charge him for) with someone he does not know on the street.

I am not out to sell on behalf of the drug companies, could not care less, but would really recommend if buying the knock off stuff, do it through someone at the bar or hotel that can at least ensure the stuff through experience. Just getting a guy off the street, who knows what you are getting. Then for those of you that are health concious in every other facet of your life, eat healthy, then put a pill in your mouth with no understanding or information on its origin, how it was produced, what are the "inactive" ingredients, what quality system, and buying it from a street urchin. So many will say, they do it and have no problem, drugs are recalled in most western countries when there is a one in a million bad reaction, want to cite the incidents and clinical trials on knockoff product bought on the street? Again, all of these products can be bought, without a prescription at any local pharmacy in Angeles. So too can antibiotics if you fear taking a little friend home to the wife or girlfriend.

Matius
02-03-10, 04:40
So, I equate using generics with eating at street stalls. And if you had ever seen the conditions of most water bottling companies (in the first world I might add) which were unsupervised and didn't have a big brand name, you would have zero confidence in their cleanliness and quality control.

I think you are absolutely right, the only thing I disagree with is the use of the term generics, as true generics are produced by legitimate and legal drug companies (often times the same drug company that developed the product initially) on medicines in which the patent has expired. The stuff on the street are counterfeit, or knock-offs. They are not generics as we know them in the western world. Then finally, at least at a street stall, you can see who is producing the food and the conditions of production, these drugs on the street, one can only see the seller. Notice Pfizer has not hired him into their sales force.

Matius
02-03-10, 04:53
to poopbunny,

i have been hearing this rumor for the last few yr about the pi goverment like to developed clark to a major international airport and move the international airport in manila to clark.

the goverment want to save money to expanded and build a new airport in manila, i think is a bad idea just too far away from manila don't why anyone want to spend that kind of money in ac.

fast eddie 48

the current president of the philippines and her family is from pampanga (angeles city area). notice the highway modernization from manila to subic (going through angeles). the reported construction on train services from angeles to manila. so assuming you, your friends and family will one day not benefit from the graft and corruption accompanying one's presidency, want to ensure the long-term cashflow that comes with tourist dollars in your community and have a set of runways, and airport facilities built with u.s. taxpayers dollars (clark was a former u.s. military base), might you consider moving the international airport volume to angeles? particularly if one can cite the lack of expansion space in manila. to follow the thought, also notice all the new bars, casino's and hotel's being built and modernized in angeles, during one of the worst tourist recessions ever seen, all are preparing for the day many if not all international flights go through angeles. in the last couple of years, cebu pacific, zest and other have increased their international routes to arrive in angeles, the move is happening, maybe not all at once, but a definite shift for many airlines and arriving passengers. if one is travelling specifically to angeles, its good news, no more manila rush hour traffic or the 2500 plus peso to hire a car.

Fast Eddie 48
02-03-10, 05:54
the current president of the philippines and her family is from pampanga (angeles city area). notice the highway modernization from manila to subic (going through angeles). the reported construction on train services from angeles to manila. so assuming you, your friends and family will one day not benefit from the graft and corruption accompanying one's presidency, want to ensure the long-term cashflow that comes with tourist dollars in your community and have a set of runways, and airport facilities built with u.s. taxpayers dollars (clark was a former u.s. military base), might you consider moving the international airport volume to angeles? particularly if one can cite the lack of expansion space in manila. to follow the thought, also notice all the new bars, casino's and hotel's being built and modernized in angeles, during one of the worst tourist recessions ever seen, all are preparing for the day many if not all international flights go through angeles. in the last couple of years, cebu pacific, zest and other have increased their international routes to arrive in angeles, the move is happening, maybe not all at once, but a definite shift for many airlines and arriving passengers. if one is travelling specifically to angeles, its good news, no more manila rush hour traffic or the 2500 plus peso to hire a car.matius,

it better be a high speed train like the maglev in shanghai, ac to manila take too long if you want to go to manila only, i do understand the cost cutting the airport and runway is aready in place they just to build terminal.

fast eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
02-03-10, 06:00
it's a dating site http://www.dateinasia.com/

its main advantage over its two main competitors, http://www.blossoms.com/ and www.filipinaheart.com/ is that whereas those are subscription sites, dia is totally free though it has more basic functionality. theoretically its pan asian, though in practice 80% of the girls are from phils as of course they are on the net much more than other asian girls as their english is better.

though i've had good luck with it even in angeles, it's probably true to say that it is least effective in angeles than just about anywhere else in phils because in angeles a girl who is open for a quickie with a foreigner is more than likely working for a bar. unlike in thailand the bar girls in ac are much less likely to play outside the bar fine system as such "sneaking out" is often spotted as the tourist area of ac is such a small place and if that gets back to the bar owner the girl will probably be heavily fined or fired.greg,

it the same company as the filipina heart even my password work ,i have bad luck there it take alot of time to meet girl since i only have 5 days in manila ,last time i meet a girl in cebu she is **** and bring her aunt to my hotel so i bought them lunch and sent them home.

fast eddie 48

Sammon
02-03-10, 07:28
matius,

it better be a high speed train like the maglev in shanghai, ac to manila take too long if you want to go to manila only, i do understand the cost cutting the airport and runway is aready in place they just to build terminal.

fast eddie 48

philippines and most other countries cannot afforde the maglev train. even china could not afforde to build one between shanghai and beijing.
however if they build a reasonably fast train it will take less than one hour from ac to manila. it is a good idea to route many international flights to ac after they build the train connection. even in tokyo it takes almost two hours to get to the city from narita.

Poopbunny
02-03-10, 15:37
Thanks for all your input re the airport

I guess its a matter of when not if, and probably to much smaller degree.

On one hand most large citys have more than 1 airport, eg. La Guardia, Gatwick. Some cities even built their main airports far away from the city like KLIA.

In the case of DMIA, I don't see how a few counters at a makeshift terminal could suddenly expand into 3 large terminals. Not to mention the logistics behind that sudden expansion.

Amjeck
02-03-10, 18:08
how crowded is AC during chinese new years? what dates?

Fast Eddie 48
02-03-10, 23:19
how crowded is AC during Chinese new years? What dates?Ameck,

I was there last yr during CNY not crowed at all, got a room at pacific breeze on arrival not a problem, I will be there again end of the month before going to China too much crack down going on there right now and during CNY.

Fast Eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
02-03-10, 23:26
Philippines and most other countries cannot afforde the maglev train. Even China could not afforde to build one between Shanghai and Beijing.

However if they build a reasonably fast train it will take less than one hour from Ac to manila. It is a good idea to route many International flights to AC after they build the train connection. Even in Tokyo it takes almost two hours to get to the city from Narita.To Sammon,

The clark airport expanations is paid by foreign investment not by the PI government, the government don't even paid for a decent transit system in Manila, they only know how to put money in their own pocket.

Fast Eddie 48

Matius
02-04-10, 02:38
how crowded is AC during chinese new years? what dates?

Begins on February 14. One of the biggest topics in AC at the moments is how dead the strip is. This is suppose to be the high season and some suggest business is off upwards of 50% or more. Many of the bars and some hotels running specials. Who knows 10 days from now, but if the pattern seen this season continues, you should have plenty of elbow room at almost any bar you want to attend. Plenty of girls, far outnumbering the guys. If crowds are your concern, now is a good time to visit AC.

Sharka
02-04-10, 04:08
What I always do, whether I am travelling or not is have a fat target for them. I carry an old wallet with some folded up paper to add to the thickness and a few low denomination bills inside. I carry it in my left rear pocket and I pat it frequently to add to the illusion. I carry my money in my right front pocket.


Not sure I will agree with this as the best defense is to remain as low key as possible. Deliberately setting up the illusion of having a "fat wallet" is not low key, infact, it will have the opposite aspect, attracting unwanted attention and becoming more of a target for pickpockets or worst, a potential mugging.--just IMO

Shark

GregLondon
02-04-10, 04:20
greg,

it the same company as the filipina heart even my password work ,i have bad luck there it take alot of time to meet girl since i only have 5 days in manila ,last time i meet a girl in cebu she is **** and bring her aunt to my hotel so i bought them lunch and sent them home.

fast eddie 48

for sure dia is not great in angeles, one issue is that many of the girls put their home province rather than angeles/pampanga in their location box , partly out of stupidity, partly so that people won't jump to the conclusion they are bar girls.

eg a really cute and accomodating girl i met a few days ago , nelsa

http://www.dateinasia.com/userprofile.aspx?uid=b4100c1e-e99e-45fb-85cf-3d76e9bc6853

had put her home city in the middle of nowhere plus had a dowdy passport style photo and the usual "simple girl , accept me for who i am " blurb so surprise surprise she was just chatting to guys who had no intention of actually visiting the phils but just wanted to chat to a young girl. infact she has a fantastic body and nice attitude (innocent rather than raunchy), i helped her rework her profile so now shes getting far more interest i believe.

the main issue is that to use dia effectively you do need to develop a technique/way of filtering out the wastes of time which itself requires time to perfect.

RasSpewtin
02-04-10, 06:20
I tried booking at the Pacific Breeze during the week of Feb 15, specifcally from Feb 16 to 21. No luck, as some of the nights that week are actually booked solid. I then tried the Wild Orchid and same story there, booking was spotty because some of those nights were sold out. I ended up getting the last available room at the Central Park, which is OK but not as nice as the PB in my view. Never had this much trouble booking in AC in my past 6 visits.

So my experience was not quite in line with the quote below.

Raz



Begins on February 14. One of the biggest topics in AC at the moments is how dead the strip is. This is suppose to be the high season and some suggest business is off upwards of 50% or more. Many of the bars and some hotels running specials. Who knows 10 days from now, but if the pattern seen this season continues, you should have plenty of elbow room at almost any bar you want to attend. Plenty of girls, far outnumbering the guys. If crowds are your concern, now is a good time to visit AC.

FurryFriend
02-04-10, 09:20
Not sure I will agree with this as the best defense is to remain as low key as possible. Deliberately setting up the illusion of having a "fat wallet" is not low key, infact, it will have the opposite aspect, attracting unwanted attention and becoming more of a target for pickpockets or worst, a potential mugging.--just IMO

Shark

I have an ankle wallet. Search "ankle wallet" on Ebay and you can get one for $10. I put incidential money in my pocket and real money in the ankle wallet.

Betong
02-04-10, 11:48
Never had this much trouble booking in AC in my past 6 visits.Probably mostly because you were trying to book some of the most popular places in town at the very height of the peak season. These big-name hotels have a very loyal clientele, many of whom come back for extended stays every year right about now. I doubt if it has much to do with CNY.

High season is also the time for a strange AC phenomenon we've all seen: the big hotels are full but the bars are mainly empty. Or rather, a few bars pack in the crowds, but most of the others are as quiet as in the rest of the year. It's a funny old place, AC.

Robbaf
02-04-10, 22:30
For sure DIA is not great in Angeles, one issue is that many of the girls put their home province rather than Angeles/Pampanga in their location box , partly out of stupidity, partly so that people won't jump to the conclusion they are bar girls.

eg a really cute and accomodating girl i met a few days ago , Nelsa

http://www.dateinasia.com/UserProfile.aspx?uid=b4100c1e-e99e-45fb-85cf-3d76e9bc6853

had put her home city in the middle of nowhere plus had a dowdy passport style photo and the usual "simple girl , accept me for who i am " blurb so surprise surprise she was just chatting to guys who had no intention of actually visiting the phils but just wanted to chat to a young girl. Infact she has a fantastic body and nice attitude (innocent rather than raunchy), I helped her rework her profile so now shes getting far more interest i believe.

The main issue is that to use DIA effectively you do need to develop a technique/way of filtering out the wastes of time which itself requires time to perfect.
GL,

Be careful posting links to girls that you have seen from DIA. I did this once in Manila and someone emailed and told her that I posted about her on a sex site:( Some wankers, who never will visit the Philippines, use DIA as a tool for trying to get girls to get naked on cam.

803989


Robb

Cunning Stunt
02-05-10, 03:18
I have an ankle wallet. Search "ankle wallet" on Ebay and you can get one for $10. I put incidential money in my pocket and real money in the ankle wallet.

I use a length of elasticated tubigrip folded over. It holds any valuables snug, comfortably and secure against the calf or ankle.

RasSpewtin
02-05-10, 03:21
Probably mostly because you were trying to book some of the most popular places in town at the very height of the peak season. These big-name hotels have a very loyal clientele, many of whom come back for extended stays every year right about now. I doubt if it has much to do with CNY.

High season is also the time for a strange AC phenomenon we've all seen: the big hotels are full but the bars are mainly empty. Or rather, a few bars pack in the crowds, but most of the others are as quiet as in the rest of the year. It's a funny old place, AC.

Hi, Betong:
I appreciate your point of view. When I mentioned Chinese New Year, I should also have mentioned the Golden Week in Japan and Korea. I know that there are not that many Chinese mainlanders coming to AC, but you will see lots of guys from Korea, Japan, and Hong Kong. MOst of them are on holiday the week of Feb 15.

So then what is your favorite "alternative" hotel given that the big name hotels are all booked up? I have RTFF, but interested in your ideas. for myself, I would like a place a little nicer than Central Park, but not as expensive as the Lewis Grand.

Raz

X Man
02-05-10, 04:35
The Koreans have their independence holiday March 1 and they have several days for the Korean lunar new year (similar to the Chinese - mid Feb), but Japanese Golden Week doesn't start until the end of April.

Japanese and Korean uni students go on holiday about now with the Koreans returning to class in March, the Japanese in April. Of course most student's don't go to AC! You may see plenty of cute Korean gals in Cebu and some of the touristy areas.
X


Hi, Betong:
I appreciate your point of view. When I mentioned Chinese New Year, I should also have mentioned the Golden Week in Japan and Korea. I know that there are not that many Chinese mainlanders coming to AC, but you will see lots of guys from Korea, Japan, and Hong Kong. MOst of them are on holiday the week of Feb 15.

So then what is your favorite "alternative" hotel given that the big name hotels are all booked up? I have RTFF, but interested in your ideas. for myself, I would like a place a little nicer than Central Park, but not as expensive as the Lewis Grand.

Raz

Betong
02-05-10, 04:39
I would like a place a little nicer than Central Park, but not as expensive as the Lewis Grand.Problem is that there's not too much else in that range. You could try the Royal Amsterdam (rooms vary widely in quality), the ex-Europhil (whatever it's called now), Clarkton (if you don't mind being way out on Perimeter), or the new wing of Swiss Chalet. Myself I like the Orchid, but only because of sentimental attachment. Frankly it's overpriced and one of the most difficult of all to get into, sometimes booked up months in advance.

If you get caught in a bind, there are always "apartelle" style places -- around P1500/night, no pool, simple but usually clean.

GregLondon
02-05-10, 05:24
Problem is that there's not too much else in that range. You could try the Royal Amsterdam (rooms vary widely in quality), the ex-Europhil (whatever it's called now), Clarkton (if you don't mind being way out on Perimeter), or the new wing of Swiss Chalet. Myself I like the Orchid, but only because of sentimental attachment. Frankly it's overpriced and one of the most difficult of all to get into, sometimes booked up months in advance.

If you get caught in a bind, there are always "apartelle" style places -- around P1500/night, no pool, simple but usually clean.

The Ronald Paul Apparthotel in Surla Street is 1400/1600P perfectly adequate rooms, nice little pool (now stocked with a few girls). Good wifi. Friendly atmosphere

GregLondon
02-05-10, 05:37
GL,

Be careful posting links to girls that you have seen from DIA. I did this once in Manila and someone emailed and told her that I posted about her on a sex site:( Some wankers, who never will visit the Philippines, use DIA as a tool for trying to get girls to get naked on cam.

803989


Robb

Thanks for the advice Rob. Having seen the messages of some of the girls I've helped, I'd estimate 75% of the guys on DIA have no real intention of visiting the phils they are just lonely and looking for a virtual gf to chat to or looking for a free cam show. of course the smarter girls have cottoned on to this and will offer cam shows for a $25 zoom payment. This can be a good deal for both parties though there is of course plenty of scope for broken promises on both sides.

As far as this girl was concerned she had been on DIA a couple of months had about 500 messages but i think because she had given her location as her province said (I think credibly) not actually met anyone at all. Of course being in AC is a two edged sword for the girls, Plenty of western guys comming there, but the majority obviously for short term sex.

Web Connect
02-06-10, 05:21
Where can I find the best food and happy hours in AC ?

Please recommend the restaurant and meal you think is the best in AC.

Budget is not a concern, but quality and taste is.

Also where are he best Happy Hours, for drink specials and most importantly atmosphere and fun factor.

I know everyone has different tastes and opinions but it would be a good starting point.

Ekspat
02-06-10, 09:41
Please recommend the restaurant and meal you think is the best in AC.
Cottage Kitchen for excellent steaks.
Swiss Chalet for European style.
Just opened a Black Angus Steak House in Royal Amsterdam,
since I'm a steak-lover, I'll be there next week for sure!
In Clarkton Hotel they offer nice buffet.


Also where are he best Happy Hours, for drink specials and most importantly atmosphere and fun factor.

Emotions, Gentlemens Club, Honey Ko I'd like to mention,
but it's more up to you whether you make it fun.

Just my 2 Sen.
Cheers!

Dveight
02-06-10, 10:51
Where can I find the best food and happy hours in AC ?

Please recommend the restaurant and meal you think is the best in AC.

Budget is not a concern, but quality and taste is.

Also where are he best Happy Hours, for drink specials and most importantly atmosphere and fun factor.

I know everyone has different tastes and opinions but it would be a good starting point.

I like the food from the Lewis Grand Hotel Restaraunt. IMHO most food in AC, really in PI, is horrible...in fact the LGH's is GREAT in comparison.

Drinks, Happy Hour's, and Atmosphere are hard to nail down because they change all the time. I liked Cambodia, Lancelot, and Club Asia the most, last time I was in AC...but who knows now that was 3 months ago.

Web Connect
02-06-10, 12:57
Cottage Kitchen for excellent steaks.

Swiss Chalet for European style.

Just opened a Black Angus Steak House in Royal Amsterdam,

Since I'm a steak-lover, I'll be there next week for sure!

In Clarkton Hotel they offer nice buffet.

Emotions, Gentlemens Club, Honey Ko I'd like to mention,

But it's more up to you whether you make it fun.

Just my 2 Sen.

Cheers!Thanks.

I am a steak lover also and I have been hearing good things about the Steak House in Royal Amsterdam.

What time does the buffet start at Clarkton? I like to show up when everything is just put out and fresh?

Yeah I understand about making things fun by getting the girls going with drinks. So are there any bars with LD specials are certain times or are the Happy Hours only for customer drinks?

Web Connect
02-06-10, 13:06
I like the food from the Lewis Grand Hotel Restaraunt. IMHO most food in AC, really in PI, is horrible...in fact the LGH's is GREAT in comparison.

Drinks, Happy Hour's, and Atmosphere are hard to nail down because they change all the time. I liked Cambodia, Lancelot, and Club Asia the most, last time I was in AC...but who knows now that was 3 months ago.I agree. I don't like most of the food in the Phils. That is why I figured I would ask. Getting laid and finding a hotel is the easy part. Finding quality food is a task.

With all the expats in AC you would think a few places would figure out a good menu that they can offer good food at an affordable price. But I understand importing some of the ingredients are expensive.

I would think there are some good specials coming up for Super Bowl and then Valentines Day. What is after that? Any Bikini Showdowns or Beauty Pageants?

Un Le70
02-07-10, 13:44
Dear Friends,

I would like to present one question for you and I hope as many of you would be willing to answer honestly. This is mainly for the "non-asian" guys among us (European, American, Australian).

Let's assume for a minute that there was a luxury cruise boat, with go-go bars similar to the Angeles bars, with Philippino/Thai/Chinese girls giving the same kind of service as in Angeles/Pattaya/Dongguan. This boat would pick-up guests and go on short trips (maybe 3-5 days), with an option to book trips back-to-back (if you like longer vacations).

My questions:

1. Would you guys be interested in using such service instead of actually going to those preferred mongering sites (PI/Thailand/China)?

2. Today, when you have your vacation in those sites, how much do you spend on flights, accommodations, and food, not calculating the spending on the ladies (LD, BF, Tips, Gifts, etc.)?

Your opinion and information would be highly appreciated.

UN LE70

Blackangst
02-07-10, 20:52
Not sure I will agree with this as the best defense is to remain as low key as possible. Deliberately setting up the illusion of having a "fat wallet" is not low key, infact, it will have the opposite aspect, attracting unwanted attention and becoming more of a target for pickpockets or worst, a potential mugging.--just IMO

Shark

I agree 100%. I understand the thinking behind having a "fake money wad"; however, as the saying goes, beware unintended consequences. Sure, if you get you wallet lifted at the mall or in a jeepney it would be amusing thinking of the poor sap opening it up only to find nothing. However, how about if youre robbed? How would it be if someone held a knife or worse to you, grabbed your trap wallet, and find nothing? Think he/she is gonna laugh it off as a joke? Nope. It'll [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) him the fuck off. Not wise IMHO.

Chocha Monger
02-07-10, 21:59
Dear Friends,

I would like to present one question for you and I hope as many of you would be willing to answer honestly. This is mainly for the "non-asian" guys among us (European, American, Australian).

Let's assume for a minute that there was a luxury cruise boat, with go-go bars similar to the Angeles bars, with Philippino/Thai/Chinese girls giving the same kind of service as in Angeles/Pattaya/Dongguan. This boat would pick-up guests and go on short trips (maybe 3-5 days), with an option to book trips back-to-back (if you like longer vacations).

My questions:

1. Would you guys be interested in using such service instead of actually going to those preferred mongering sites (PI/Thailand/China)?

2. Today, when you have your vacation in those sites, how much do you spend on flights, accommodations, and food, not calculating the spending on the ladies (LD, BF, Tips, Gifts, etc.)?

Your opinion and information would be highly appreciated.

UN LE70
A mongering cruise is an interesting concept. The demand is there but a lot of mongers travel to the mentioned destinations on some corporation’s dime or budget monger once they get to the location. They’re looking for cheap pussy that is why they visit those locations in the first place so think less luxury and more along the lines of quantity at an affordable price. There is also the question of legality. Would the ship enter the territorial waters of countries where selling pussy is illegal? The coast guard in some jurisdictions would like nothing better than to board and seize mongers aboard a floating brothel. It’s the kind of thing that would make major news networks.

ThatGuy865
02-07-10, 22:19
Dear Friends,

I would like to present one question for you and I hope as many of you would be willing to answer honestly. This is mainly for the "non-asian" guys among us (European, American, Australian).

Let's assume for a minute that there was a luxury cruise boat, with go-go bars similar to the Angeles bars, with Philippino/Thai/Chinese girls giving the same kind of service as in Angeles/Pattaya/Dongguan. This boat would pick-up guests and go on short trips (maybe 3-5 days), with an option to book trips back-to-back (if you like longer vacations).

My questions:

1. Would you guys be interested in using such service instead of actually going to those preferred mongering sites (PI/Thailand/China)?

2. Today, when you have your vacation in those sites, how much do you spend on flights, accommodations, and food, not calculating the spending on the ladies (LD, BF, Tips, Gifts, etc.)?

Your opinion and information would be highly appreciated.

UN LE70It is a good idea, issues I see first most mongers do not want to be locked down with the same girl. So being on a ship would mean he couldn't get away from the girl he just banged yesterday. He would have a good chance of running into her.

Secondly, some mongers would not like to see who his girl just got finished banging, which might be a turnoff. Like he see's her with a fat nasty stankin old fart. Now do you expect someone else is likely to barfine her on that ship when every one has just seen her with that last guy. For some it wouldn't matter, but for others it would.

The ratio of girls to mongers. I don't know how it would be possible to have as many "Beautiful" girls needed to make it a resonable price.

I think this would only work on a small level, and not for your average monger, but for your exclusive higher end monger. Where you had at most 10 mongers and a minimum of 100 to 150 girls for a 5 to 7 day cruise. So variety would be available. That allows a monger 2 a day without repeating.

All the girls must be available for ST or LT and all at least into BBBJ some CIM and no runners at all.

Jambo
02-07-10, 23:49
Let's assume for a minute that there was a luxury cruise boat
Interesting that I was just reading an article about cruise lines supposedly being interested in Subic.

subicnewslink (dot) ******** (dot) com/2010/02/intl-business-cruise-ships-to-come-in.html

I wondered where would they come from? Its several days to drive from Toyko or Pusan RoK. That would make it very expensive. And if a ship were to load and depart from Subic or Manila, drive around and return. I guess there are a couple that do that, for family types? But to think, most tourists have already spent a lot money to fly to PI. Glad its not my investment...

Fast Eddie 48
02-08-10, 01:21
Dear Friends,

I would like to present one question for you and I hope as many of you would be willing to answer honestly. This is mainly for the "non-asian" guys among us (European, American, Australian).

Let's assume for a minute that there was a luxury cruise boat, with go-go bars similar to the Angeles bars, with Philippino/Thai/Chinese girls giving the same kind of service as in Angeles/Pattaya/Dongguan. This boat would pick-up guests and go on short trips (maybe 3-5 days), with an option to book trips back-to-back (if you like longer vacations).

My questions:

1. Would you guys be interested in using such service instead of actually going to those preferred mongering sites (PI/Thailand/China)?

2. Today, when you have your vacation in those sites, how much do you spend on flights, accommodations, and food, not calculating the spending on the ladies (LD, BF, Tips, Gifts, etc.)?

Your opinion and information would be highly appreciated.

UN LE70Un LE70

What a hooker crusie no way there are no crusie line that will do this give them a bad name an image, and it is also illegal and they might be difficult to fill a large ship with enough monger.

Fast Eddie 48

X Man
02-08-10, 04:04
Hmmm, it sounds like wishful thinking by the Subic folks.

I read the article and found this line a little peculiar.

"In preparation for the hilarious and viable project, the SBMA is going into double-time of facelift to the surroundings of the Subic Bay, including the harbor, and its habitat."

Hilarious?

X


Interesting that I was just reading an article about cruise lines supposedly being interested in Subic.

subicnewslink (dot) ******** (dot) com/2010/02/intl-business-cruise-ships-to-come-in.html

I wondered where would they come from? Its several days to drive from Toyko or Pusan RoK. That would make it very expensive. And if a ship were to load and depart from Subic or Manila, drive around and return. I guess there are a couple that do that, for family types? But to think, most tourists have already spent a lot money to fly to PI. Glad its not my investment...

Dveight
02-08-10, 09:37
Dear Friends,

I would like to present one question for you and I hope as many of you would be willing to answer honestly. This is mainly for the "non-asian" guys among us (European, American, Australian).

Let's assume for a minute that there was a luxury cruise boat, with go-go bars similar to the Angeles bars, with Philippino/Thai/Chinese girls giving the same kind of service as in Angeles/Pattaya/Dongguan. This boat would pick-up guests and go on short trips (maybe 3-5 days), with an option to book trips back-to-back (if you like longer vacations).

My questions:

1. Would you guys be interested in using such service instead of actually going to those preferred mongering sites (PI/Thailand/China)?

2. Today, when you have your vacation in those sites, how much do you spend on flights, accommodations, and food, not calculating the spending on the ladies (LD, BF, Tips, Gifts, etc.)?

Your opinion and information would be highly appreciated.

UN LE70


Its a good idea in Theory, but then you think about there are several problems, the first is that many mongers would fear they loss of anonymity. It would be really hard to maintain legality across multiple nations or if the vessel were accidently enter territorial waters of other nations, the consequences would be disastrous. That in itself would keep me away. You would have to find a way to guarantee that this had been thoroughly thought out, and carefully planned.

Your other problem is going to be costs. I really don't know how you could keep a cruise cost low enough to suit the budget of the average monger. Being stuck on a boat could become even more cumbersome if there became some type of emotional attach by the girl (or the guy I guess). It’s bad enough when you can't even get into a bar because some girl has laid claim to you, much alone if you are stuck on a ship.

One way that could make the cruise a better idea if it were like a party-treff, where it was all you could fuck for a set price, that might attract some guys, but I still agree with another poster that I doubt you could sustain a business like this solely from the money spent by mongers.

Sorry, but I doubt that I would ever use a service such as the one you propose, and I don't know many guys that would...unless it was really CHEAPER than say AC.

D Cups
02-08-10, 14:54
Un LE70

What a hooker crusie no way there are no crusie line that will do this give them a bad name an image, and it is also illegal and they might be difficult to fill a large ship with enough monger.

Fast Eddie 48The folks from Score magazine did a boob cruise to the Carribean with a bunch of headliners a few years ago. Very expensive but if you are a boob hound like me it may be worth it.

Jambo
02-08-10, 16:15
One thing a Cruise Line might try is to hire a (mostly) young female service staff, and make it clear its no problem fooling around with passengers. Then kind of let that get out.

But based in the PI? Hmm If they were boarding in Manila and making calls at the beach resorts, I suppose you are saving money on local hotels, and not worrying about eating local food. Like what they do in the Carib.

Un Le70
02-08-10, 21:11
Hi Guys,

Thank you for al the responses so far. Some of them really gave me some points to think about regarding this idea.

Just to make it clear, what I was referring to is a boat taking passengers from Spain, France, Italy, UK, Greece, Turkey, etc. The cruise would not actually be “going” anywhere, just picking guests, moving out of territorial water, and then allowing the guests to have fun. No illegal activities would be taking place while within any country’s water.

The entire purpose of the cruise would be allowing the guests to do what they do on their visit to the major mongering sites in Asia, without taking long flights and with extra special accommodations and dining conditions. If possible, the expense would be similar to that of traveling to Asia, only more accessible (close to home), high level, and diverse (girls from several countries on the same boat).

Thanks again,

UN LE70

Sharka
02-09-10, 00:45
I have an ankle wallet. Search "ankle wallet" on Ebay and you can get one for $10. I put incidential money in my pocket and real money in the ankle wallet.


I've seen these ankle wallets before and they are ok to use in cooler climate places where long pants are the norm, but I'll stick with the old fashion money belt tuck under my t-shirt while in Philli. as its a tropical isle and I tend to wear shorts.

Shark

Fahren
02-09-10, 12:30
Dear Friends,

I would like to present one question for you and I hope as many of you would be willing to answer honestly. This is mainly for the "non-asian" guys among us (European, American, Australian).

Let's assume for a minute that there was a luxury cruise boat, with go-go bars similar to the Angeles bars, with Philippino/Thai/Chinese girls giving the same kind of service as in Angeles/Pattaya/Dongguan. This boat would pick-up guests and go on short trips (maybe 3-5 days), with an option to book trips back-to-back (if you like longer vacations).

My questions:

1. Would you guys be interested in using such service instead of actually going to those preferred mongering sites (PI/Thailand/China)?

2. Today, when you have your vacation in those sites, how much do you spend on flights, accommodations, and food, not calculating the spending on the ladies (LD, BF, Tips, Gifts, etc.)?

Your opinion and information would be highly appreciated.

LE70When I was in Olongapo a few years ago there was a Japanese cruise ship tied up. One of the locals told me a bus went around the bars and picked up girls and took them to the ship. The ship went nowhere, the Japs stayed on board , they seemed to think it safer this way.

Hoboken56
02-10-10, 20:23
Saw my BF at Club Lancelot downing a tray of 12 shots in rapid succession after she returned from changing to street attire.

Asked the waitress what was going on and she said, new policy, recently introduced. All BFs have to drink 12 shots of rum and coke before leaving. No charge to the customer, she added.

Wow, that sure does help in transforming a shy BF into a raving nympho!

Serving liquor in the room just doesn't work fast enough. And some would decline.

So, the question to you all is this: Does this happen at other bars in AC? Or, what other bars are in the Club Lancelot group?

Sharka
02-12-10, 00:25
Saw my BF at Club Lancelot downing a tray of 12 shots in rapid succession after she returned from changing to street attire.

Asked the waitress what was going on and she said, new policy, recently introduced. All BFs have to drink 12 shots of rum and coke before leaving. No charge to the customer, she added.

Wow, that sure does help in transforming a shy BF into a raving nympho!

Serving liquor in the room just doesn't work fast enough. And some would decline.

So, the question to you all is this: Does this happen at other bars in AC? Or, what other bars are in the Club Lancelot group?


Must be something new as this mandatory? "policy" was not there when I visited only several months ago. Anyway, I really don't like my lady drunk as I've had several of those in the past and one fell asleep as soon as she hit the bed and another felt sick so the sex mood was all gone. I like mine at least somewhat alert and smiling as I'm doing her.--IMO


Shark

Hoboken56
02-12-10, 01:49
My first BF had just started there, so she did as told by the waitress. Downed all 12 shots in rapid succession.

My second BF was last night and this one is a one month veteran. She wasn't into liquor and said it was optional and drank only 3 of the 12. If I wanted her to finish all 12, she said she would. I took a sip of one and to me it seemed more coke than rum!

Still a great gal and BJ first timer.

I'll ask mamasan to clarify the "policy" later tonight as she has new arrivals lined up for me.

Sorry about the confusion.


Saw my BF at Club Lancelot downing a tray of 12 shots in rapid succession after she returned from changing to street attire.

Asked the waitress what was going on and she said, new policy, recently introduced. All BFs have to drink 12 shots of rum and coke before leaving. No charge to the customer, she added.

Wow, that sure does help in transforming a shy BF into a raving nympho!

Serving liquor in the room just doesn't work fast enough. And some would decline.

So, the question to you all is this: Does this happen at other bars in AC? Or, what other bars are in the Club Lancelot group?

Gonzofiend
02-12-10, 02:29
Must be something new as this mandatory? "policy" was not there when I visited only several months ago. Anyway, I really don't like my lady drunk as I've had several of those in the past and one fell asleep as soon as she hit the bed and another felt sick so the sex mood was all gone. I like mine at least somewhat alert and smiling as I'm doing her.--IMO

SharkOf course when I was in AC the "shots" I usually saw were like half-shots, so if it's equal parts rum and coke that is only three true shots of rum. Although that might be plenty for a 5' 80 pound filipina. I had a girl pass out on me as well on my trip, it sucked ass. (She did pay me back though, so it worked out.) I should of short timed another girl and did her right on top of my passed-out BF! LOL

At least with the alcohol, instead of "runners" I'll guess we'll have "crawlers" or some other euphemism. I have heard of things like you have to technically make-up the bar fine in actual drinks to make the EWR legitimate, so maybe the club got threatened by the Cops.

I like tipsy and slightly drunk, not sloppy drunk.

Gonzo

Warbucks
02-12-10, 08:36
Hi Guys,

Thank you for al the responses so far. Some of them really gave me some points to think about regarding this idea.

Just to make it clear, what I was referring to is a boat taking passengers from Spain, France, Italy, UK, Greece, Turkey, etc. The cruise would not actually be “going” anywhere, just picking guests, moving out of territorial water, and then allowing the guests to have fun. No illegal activities would be taking place while within any country’s water.

The entire purpose of the cruise would be allowing the guests to do what they do on their visit to the major mongering sites in Asia, without taking long flights and with extra special accommodations and dining conditions. If possible, the expense would be similar to that of traveling to Asia, only more accessible (close to home), high level, and diverse (girls from several countries on the same boat).

Thanks again,

UN LE70Read these threads then imagine being stuck on a boat with these guys.

Thanks but no thanks.

Matius
02-13-10, 01:36
Saw my BF at Club Lancelot downing a tray of 12 shots in rapid succession after she returned from changing to street attire.

Asked the waitress what was going on and she said, new policy, recently introduced. All BFs have to drink 12 shots of rum and coke before leaving. No charge to the customer, she added.

Wow, that sure does help in transforming a shy BF into a raving nympho!

Serving liquor in the room just doesn't work fast enough. And some would decline.

So, the question to you all is this: Does this happen at other bars in AC? Or, what other bars are in the Club Lancelot group?

Many bars call a barfine a "special ladies drink", 12 drinks would be the equivalent of the barfine. Both barfines and "early work release" are considered prostitution which is illegal, bars use the term special ladies drink.

The police are attempting raids up and down the street. Has nothing to do with what goes on in AC, rather is their time to generate cash. About a week ago raided Honeyko's. Now people are saying there is a white van going up and down the street taking pictures of the door girls to see if they are licensed. Sending people into the bars to entice a barfine. No danger for the customers, rather a money making effort carried out by the police against the bars. Using marked money, they get the bar to accept a barfine, then bust the bar.

Suspect Camelot is just trying to solidify their position they are only selling drinks and the rum and cokes are more coke than rum. The girl would not be required to drink the drinks, rather the bar just wants to deliver them in exchange for the money paid.

Hoboken56
02-13-10, 04:40
Suspect Camelot is just trying to solidify their position they are only selling drinks and the rum and cokes are more coke than rum. The girl would not be required to drink the drinks, rather the bar just wants to deliver them in exchange for the money paid.Yes, I think you're right.

Damn, I was thinking I discovered a pro-customer ploy. Did take a sip with my second BF, and indeed it was more coke than rum. Guess my first BF's being hot was cause she hadn't screwed for over a year.

And btw, it was at Lancelot, the one next to Pasha.

Betong
02-13-10, 04:56
At least with the alcohol, instead of "runners" I'll guess we'll have "crawlers" or some other euphemism.Crawlers, I love it!

A lot of these girls have a very narrow margin between being tipsy and fun and giggly etc. or being all out wasted, puking over the bed, etc. Always better to err on the side of too few drinks rather than too many.

Wonderer
02-14-10, 06:26
I experienced the "12 shots" not only in Lancelot, but in quite a number of other bars in AC as well. For instance recently in the Fantasy. They say it's for you and the BF, so you should drink together. But the kind of shots I found so far tastes so disgusting that I can't drink the stuff. And so far, in virtually all cases, the 12 shots remain un-touched or at least most of them.

I think it confirms what has been said here already, it is a way to avoid the BF and to "sell the shots" instead. From this point of view - not bad.

Wonderer... and let's have fun with or without shots...




Saw my BF at Club Lancelot downing a tray of 12 shots in rapid succession after she returned from changing to street attire.

Asked the waitress what was going on and she said, new policy, recently introduced. All BFs have to drink 12 shots of rum and coke before leaving. No charge to the customer, she added.

Wow, that sure does help in transforming a shy BF into a raving nympho!

Serving liquor in the room just doesn't work fast enough. And some would decline.

So, the question to you all is this: Does this happen at other bars in AC? Or, what other bars are in the Club Lancelot group?

Old Mean Dog
02-14-10, 18:48
So, the question to you all is this: Does this happen at other bars in AC? Or, what other bars are in the Club Lancelot group?

I heard about this as well, last week when I was in AC and was told that apparently when you BF, you are not buying the girl, but rather the 12 shots, the girl is then released from her duties and you and her are just "dating".

-OMD

Bill Buxton
02-15-10, 09:07
I experienced the "12 shots" not only in Lancelot, but in quite a number of other bars in AC as well. For instance recently in the Fantasy. They say it's for you and the BF, so you should drink together. But the kind of shots I found so far tastes so disgusting that I can't drink the stuff. And so far, in virtually all cases, the 12 shots remain un-touched or at least most of them.

I think it confirms what has been said here already, it is a way to avoid the BF and to "sell the shots" instead. From this point of view - not bad.

Wonderer... and let's have fun with or without shots...Its not hard to figure out, The bar wants to make some cash and keep roll in over and recycle the gals. That's a smart bar owner, "NOT" who would do that, the gal can go back and do many 12 shot dates in one shift.

Just another example of how little income the bars really make, and how low they will stoop to get a peso.

B.B.

Sammon
02-15-10, 13:13
I heard about this as well, last week when I was in AC and was told that apparently when you BF, you are not buying the girl, but rather the 12 shots, the girl is then released from her duties and you and her are just "dating".

-OMD
Was in AC last week for seven nights. Went to few bars including lancelot. Not even one bar asked me to drink twelve shots to barfine a girl. All fields avenue bars ask 1500 /3000 pesos for barfine. It seems prettier girls are in the 3000 range. Some smaller bars like camelot asked me for 1500 barfine for a nice pretty girl who I barfined.
However one mamasan in crystal palace told me 3000 pesos barfine is negotiable. This happened when I called over a really pretty girl to sit with me. After a couple of drinks I guess mamasan realized I was not going to pay 3000. Maybe the girl wanted to go with me and talked to the mamasan. The offering price was 2000 pesos for this showgirl. But I had to wait till her show at midnight was over. I politely told them I will be back but got sidetracked on the way.

Acfreddie
02-15-10, 23:31
All fields avenue bars ask 1500 /3000 pesos for barfine.

Not all fields ave bars are P1500/P2000/P3000

Some of the bars which have lower priced barfines are:
Alaska
Rhapsody
La Bamba
Shooterz
Body Shop Bar
Lollipop
Ziggy's
Treasure Island
Pussy Cat Dolls
and many others to which I cannot think of the top of my head at 6am (lol)

The bars that charge the higher (imo, unrealistic for a 3rd world country prices) are generally the larger bars (aka mega bars) and group bars, such as
Doll House Group (they have the P3000 "spotlight" girls, but many of these girls are (imo) better to not have a light shined on them
La Pasha Group has the standard P1500 barfines
Champagne group had P1500 barfines
Golden Nile has P1500 and P2000 barfines (and rumor is that a P4000 barfine is in the works)
So if you want to stay away from higher end prices, stick with the small and medium sized bars, or head up to perimeter road

Matius
02-16-10, 07:35
Its not hard to figure out, The bar wants to make some cash and keep roll in over and recycle the gals. That's a smart bar owner, "NOT" who would do that, the gal can go back and do many 12 shot dates in one shift.

Just another example of how little income the bars really make, and how low they will stoop to get a peso.

B.B.

Don't get confused guys, having been out last night, this practice is now rampant up and down the street. Talked to several bar owners. The police are out doing set ups at the bars. The bars have a defense on a barfine if they say they sold drinks, not a barfine. The receipt is written up as ladies drinks, quantity 12, they contain little to no alchohol and no one cares if you or the girl drink them.

The real confusion comes in if you are not known, and you ask the staff or even the girl questions about a barfine. In most bars they will deny they have barfines, because the police are using foreigners to set up the bars. Its double speak, but ask the price of a special ladies drink, assuming the girl is willing to go with you. You will be served the 12 drinks, you will pay what you normally would for a barfine, and everything else will be as usual. The bar cannot be held liable for your private discussions with the girl, as you would normally have, but all will deny the bar engages in barfines.

If you want to use the VIP room that many bars have. Ask the staff what the rental is for the VIP room, say you need to take a rest for a few hours. They will rent you the room. Make your arrangements as above for the special ladies drinks, the girl will sign out of work. Then join you at the room you rented. If the bar does not know you, there is the chance they will deny any question that suggests their giving you a room to use with one of their girls. This is how Honeyko's got busted. If you look Asian or least bit Filipino, you may be denied service for all except drinking, maybe even denied entry for any number of reasons.

The police are not after the customers, its extortion and they are seeking it from the bars. They are not taking customers in their raids, they are taking the bar owners, managers and some of the girls, but ultimately they are forcing the bar owners to pony up hundreds of thousands of peso as ransom for their freedom. It has nothing to do with the bars instituting some sort of new product or scam drink, and there is no attempt by even the police to eliminate barfines. Rather consider it a fund raising drive held yearly by the police, and the bars positioning so they don't become the primary contributor.

Mister Fusion
02-16-10, 11:40
The cruise would not actually be “going” anywhere, just picking guests, moving out of territorial water, and then allowing the guests to have fun.I would never buy a ticket to one of these boats because I can't be sure that the girls aren't free to leave when they don't want to work there any more.

I'm happy to help single mothers, but I will not participate in slavery.

X Man
02-16-10, 14:21
There is some do-gooder who is copying messages from ISG and putting them on his "anti-brothel" blog.

So, any details about how bars are arranging "things" are being read by people who would like nothing better than to see all the bars shut down. It might be best to avoid giving specific information here on a semi-public forum.

Un Le70
02-16-10, 18:26
I would never buy a ticket to one of these boats because I can't be sure that the girls aren't free to leave when they don't want to work there any more.

I'm happy to help single mothers, but I will not participate in slavery.This is a good point which I did not consider before, about the way things "look" and not only how they "are".

Originally I was thinking that the girls would be on 6 months contract, with very limited options for early termination. This is because the company would need to issue passports & Visas for them, plus fly them to Europe (expensive). For this they would need to provide 6 months of work. It's not TOO bad. At the bars in some countries the girls might also find themselves in a situation where they cannot leave before some date.

I will have to consider your point as part of the business model. Thanks.

UN LE70

Mugroso
02-16-10, 20:09
..... "anti-brothel" blog.

Give us a link to this blog. I would like to see this for myself and confront directly.

Thx
Mugroso

Sharka
02-17-10, 01:02
There is some do-gooder who is copying messages from ISG and putting them on his "anti-brothel" blog.

So, any details about how bars are arranging "things" are being read by people who would like nothing better than to see all the bars shut down. It might be best to avoid giving specific information here on a semi-public forum.


The jerk with the Anti-brothel thing in AC is kinda pushing it a bit as they are technically bars and clubs with willing ladies, brothels are more like a cheap roach motel with ladies inside, most often ladies sold into the sex trade( unwilling).
NGO's are not really targeting bars with willing ladies, mainly the ones unwilling ones (above).
Now bars and cops and shakedowns, that's alot different matter.

Hesekiels
02-17-10, 14:38
The jerk with the Anti-brothel thing in AC is kinda pushing it a bit as they are technically bars and clubs with willing ladies, brothels are more like a cheap roach motel with ladies inside, most often ladies sold into the sex trade( unwilling).
NGO's are not really targeting bars with willing ladies, mainly the ones unwilling ones (above).
Now bars and cops and shakedowns, that's alot different matter.


I am just wondering if there is one single girl in AC who works in a bar unwillingly? I would rather doubt it! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Pete Benetar
02-17-10, 22:08
first visit to ac and had a pretty good time in large part with some old army contacts and some great local business people. i was only there a few days so clearly i did not get a flavor for much, but what i tasted i liked.

a few of of my personal gems were the 700 php bj girls walking back and forth between the don paul hotel and fields. there's about 3-4 "clubs" that look like large booths really (near swiss chalet) and the going rate for a daytime bj (bb or covered) was 700 php. the one i picked out was personable, enjoyed laughing, gave great head and when i told her i wanted her to be my bride and gave her some motrin for what sounded like mild arthritis, she comp'd me with a boom-boom, no charge.

the other i liked was the full service massages. nothing fancy, but the place i went to is near the corner of macarthurs and fields, opposite mcdonalds but a half block down or so. i saw the 24 hour open sign and at 2 am my 1st night, not yet ready to be confronted by a dozen more of less aggressive money hounding ho's at every bar, i thought a massage to start would be nice. all the lights were out and when i tried opening the door, it was locked so i am thinking the place really is not 24 hour service. just as that thought enters my mind, 2 young female looking things spring from prone on a tiny futon such that i mistook the physical conglomerate as just furniture.

they unlock the door, i get a 1 hour therapeutic massage and then a very nice hand job. she let me feel her up and she was beautifully muscled for a filipina girl and pretty too. all for 500 php. it was valentine's day so i gave her a few hundred as a tip. i instantly thought that if there was a filipina female usa style football league, this masseuse would be a great middle linebacker. she went by d. gee or something like that. i did not get the impression you can expect that on site during daytime (maybe you can) but either way for 700 php they will make room calls too.

btw, somewhat on topic to this onging blogger thread, one of the guys i met is the ceo of probably the largest employer in ac/pompanang who is filipino and american trained. i initially reserved commentary about extracurriculars in ac but (s)he was laughing up fields and was insisting i go hit the clubs there.

the don paul is a story unto itself btw, but overall i though it was worth the 1600 php rate for a variety of reasons. not saying it's great (sort of reminded me of the diplomat hotel in cebu), but wifi worked well for no charge, the staff was very accommodating at least for me, and they had fresh complimentary coffee at the reception.

anyway, by myself and staying at donald paul, aching for some 5 star service and a regular hottie, i decided to check out early to head to manila to meet a gf from cebu.

Un Le70
02-17-10, 23:02
I am just wondering if there is one single girl in AC who works in a bar unwillingly? I would rather doubt it! :)

Cheers!

HesekielsLet me tell you how it works (sometimes) in China. Maybe similar things happen in the PH as well.

In China the girls works in a factory for minimum wages, very long hours and almost no rest days. One day a guy appears and starts hanging out near the factory gates.

After a few days he start chatting with some girls, especially the better looking ones. He shows empathy to their situation and makes "understanding" sounds to them, until they trust him a little bit (over a few days). He asks the girls about their home address (parents home). Things usually work the best if he is himself from the same area as the girl. It brings his credit up.

One day he approaches them (one by one) and tells them that he just made new contact with some place, where there's an opportunity for a much better work, very easy, with option to make a LOT of money. That place needs to get money as comission for allowing the girl to work there. He suggests putting in the money first (as lone) and get it back from the girl AFTER she starts working. She can pay back slowly, on weekly basis.

The girl grabs the opportunity and agrees. Then this guy tells her everything is arranged and they set a day for quitting her job and moving to the new place. She reaches this small shop, called "BBS", which looks like a barber-shop without any equipment, just a few girls sitting on an old sofa. When the girl asks the other girls what this place is all about, they start laughing and explain to her what's the job really about.

The girl starts crying and wants to run away just ANYWHERE, but the guy who arranged the connection says he had to pay the money already, which he cannot get back. He explains to the girl that he knows where she lives and will hunt her wherever she goes, or hunt her family. She has no choice but to stay and work to pay back the money to that guy.

In some cases the actual owner of the BBS is not part of scam. He is not holding the girl by force, but she's held there anyway by the guy who made the introduction.

I have heard this story first hand from a few girls working in those places. The funny part is that they don't even understand the scam. They truely think this guy arranged a job for them, which pays much more than they had before. They see themselves responsible for getting him his money back.

UN LE70

ThatGuy865
02-18-10, 04:03
I am just wondering if there is one single girl in AC who works in a bar unwillingly? I would rather doubt it! :)

Cheers!

HesekielsThere are girls who have been conned into working in bars in AC. Some mamasans will tell the girls they will be waitresses,

Once in AC the girl feels obligated, because she cannot make enough money to live and send money back home, so she starts doing BF's.

When you think about it, the families are depending on them, the girl doesn't want to go back to a life of hunger and the other girls are telling her Bar fines are not that bad because they do it.

Its not sex slavery but some are slowly coherced into selling sex. And yes some do come not knowing what AC is about. You have to remember a lot of these girls come from remote small villages mostly from the southern islands with no outside communication except in their communities.

Most of the girls who go back, play innocent and don't tell what they truely did in AC unless they were lucky enough to land a sponsor and most still say they were waitresses and do not mention BF's.

Rocksoff
02-18-10, 05:41
A few of of my personal gems were the 700 php BJ girls walking back and forth between the Don Paul hotel and Fields. There's about 3-4 "clubs" that look like large booths really (near Swiss Chalet) and the going rate for a daytime BJ (bb or covered) was 700 php. The one I picked out was personable, enjoyed laughing, gave great head and when I told her I wanted her to be my bride and gave her some Motrin for what sounded like mild arthritis, she comp'd me with a boom-boom, no charge.

In A.Santos? I always thought it's BJ or FS, up to you, for the 700 .. at least, that's how it worked for me when I was there ;-)

Ekspat
02-18-10, 06:28
I always thought it's BJ or FS, up to you, for the 700 .. at least, that's how it worked for me when I was there ;-)
You're right. Same it works for me last Tuesday.

For this 12 shots thing, being now for 5 days in AC, I haven't seen it so far.
Always paid my 1350ps or whatever, but I didn't check what appeared on the bill.
Whether it was EWR/BF or if they wrote 12 LD. Dunno.

DHG....
Few days ago I got a girl from another bar and thought, lets give it a try.
Went with her to DH and ordered drinks for me and the lady.
No problems, without discussion both drinks were priced as normal customer drinks.
No try to charge LD at all
Yesterday photoshooting, finally I had 7 SMB and I gave them the impression I don't care but I counted exactly.
Final bill was absolutely correct, 7 SMB.
For me I can't complain, nothing fishy happened.

Enjoy as I do..... Hehe :D

Cheers!

Pete Benetar
02-18-10, 08:49
In A.Santos? I always thought it's BJ or FS, up to you, for the 700 .. at least, that's how it worked for me when I was there ;-)It probably is for all I know...they all were only saying BJ's and that was my preference anyway. The one I was with also said I had her for 2 hours, so multijism's might be part of the bargain (???), though she sincerely "acted" like she wanted a boom-boom.

One thing I sorely missed out on was to give a jab at "BJ" Row, which I know I walked by on a long walk down Field's or Perimeter...I had a few at the VFW and was told BJ Row was before it, but I did not see any signs telling me to "Go Here For BJ" (???)

Man, I love the Archipelago and its girls!

ThatGuy865
02-19-10, 05:04
It probably is for all I know...they all were only saying BJ's and that was my preference anyway. The one I was with also said I had her for 2 hours, so multijism's might be part of the bargain (???), though she sincerely "acted" like she wanted a boom-boom.

One thing I sorely missed out on was to give a jab at "BJ" Row, which I know I walked by on a long walk down Field's or Perimeter...I had a few at the VFW and was told BJ Row was before it, but I did not see any signs telling me to "Go Here For BJ" (???)

Man, I love the Archipelago and its girls!A.Santos is "Blow Road" ... why do you think they were all screaming out Bj's.

Matius
02-19-10, 06:09
there are girls who have been conned into working in bars in ac. some mamasans will tell the girls they will be waitresses,

once in ac the girl feels obligated, because she cannot make enough money to live and send money back home, so she starts doing bf's.

when you think about it, the families are depending on them, the girl doesn't want to go back to a life of hunger and the other girls are telling her bar fines are not that bad because they do it.

its not sex slavery but some are slowly coherced into selling sex. and yes some do come not knowing what ac is about. you have to remember a lot of these girls come from remote small villages mostly from the southern islands with no outside communication except in their communities.

most of the girls who go back, play innocent and don't tell what they truely did in ac unless they were lucky enough to land a sponsor and most still say they were waitresses and do not mention bf's.

not that i outrightly disagree with all you've said, i can't rightly agree with the concept of being conned. a huge majority of the girls come from mindanao, samar and leyete. having been a frequent visitor to all, the girls know exactly what ac is all about, as they do with what occurs in manila. most girls come with a friend or relative, who is already working in ac, if you visit one of these provinces, you will find bar girls all over, back on vacation with their families, so the girl you suggest would have to be dumb as nails not to have heard of ac. of course i speak of girls who are 18 or older, know nothing about bringing **** girls here, if that exists. you also assume their parents have never heard of angeles, although most choose to ignore what it means if their daughter is working there. thus the fiction of being a waitress.

in regards to the concept of economic slavery, most bars have stay-in houses, the cost of which is about 100 to 200 peso per week, at the high end, about one day's salary at most bars. food costs are about 40 to 80 peso per meal for the girl. now the girl may feel she is not making enough money, but salary alone would more than take care of her basic living, not counting ladies drinks.

where i can find common ground is that girls come from the provinces with a niave perspective of what they will end up doing. the know what angeles is, but their first expectation is that they will find mr. right. what they don't realize is that even mr. right is not going to be right unless he first samples the wares. potential mr. right after mr. right cons the girl for that sample until she no longer selects on that basis. also, after one or two disappointments, the money does kick in and these girls get the same sad stories from home that so many on this forum have heard before. someone died, sick, blah, blah, blah, send money.

there are girls in this town, "professional cherry girls", who do not go out for sex, make their money from ladies drinks and salary and if they are pretty enough may eventually find the right guy. its not a total fiction that a girl can come to angeles, keep her virginity, and end up happily married to a good guy.

and as a final perspective, i don't know one girl who works in a bar, who has not seen the bar before working. it would seem pretty hard to con the girl into the bar being anything but what it is, when she walks in to see 50 girls in bikini's and waitress dresses and old men sucking an 18 year old's face in the corner. she may be shy, maybe a little niave, but it is obvious to any girl. as far as other work, there are tons of restaurants, hotels and shops that hire girls, maybe not as much money as the bars, but plenty of opportunities. try to find a simple housekeeper here, then you know there are no lack of jobs for someone willing to work.

but a nice story, does it make the sex better, or did some bar girl tell it to you. ha ha ha

Jan 156
02-19-10, 12:22
I find myself in Angeles with a week to go before my international flight out and finding it not exactly to my taste.*

Suggestions? Flights to Boracay are pricey and the timetables don't fit. I've heard there are some nice places north of Subic Bay but might be a hassle to find for a newbie. I was going to do Pintaburu until I saw some facebook pics - which suggests it is more of a theme park day out than a challenging adventure.

I had a good time in Manila, but was feeling reluctant to return, especially just for a few days before flying out of Clark. Yet it is more varied and many excursions start from there. Plus it is possible to get an honest Filipino GFE experience with a bit of effort rather than the Americanised stuff up here.


*AC reminds me of a US/AU colony, with herds of fairly expressionless Filipino ladies rounded up into corrals for the viewing etc pleasure of those who would otherwise nurse a glass of alcohol all night. As a monger theme park it is worth a look - in retrospect I would have given it a quick look on the way out of Clark to Manila just so I didn't feel I was missing anything, and no more. But to make so much effort for so little . . .

So now, how to get out to somewhere a bit more real than a westernised ex-barracks knock shop and a bit more discerning than McDonalds. Suggestions?

Buko Max
02-19-10, 14:00
So now, how to get out to somewhere a bit more real than a westernised ex-barracks knock shop and a bit more discerning than McDonalds. Suggestions?
Why not find out what Cebuana hospitality is all about and fly down to Cebu!? CP flies direct from Clark three times a week. You can hang at a beach by day and enjoy some good nightlife at night!

PS....Don't kid yourself about the volcano as it's no walk in the park. Several tourists died up there a few months back.

Aussiec
02-19-10, 16:33
Well Election time is here mates! Word is Casi Cielo was raided yesterday. For those that not know where it is, its located behind Orchid Inn off Raymond Street. I had just got back to Sydney and my friend contacted me of events there. To bad cause I had met "Baby" there and she was a true beauty.

From what I am told several vans pulled up with plain clothes NBI and close bar down and escorted the ladies out. My sourse says a former worker reported the bar as not having proper papers for workers and alledged some were or may have been not of age.

We can expect more raids like this considering elections are less than 3 months away and the politicians want to put on show. Would love to hear if anyone saw the raids. Take care mates.

There website of Casi Cielo is now down but I have pic of Baby before site went down. Very beautiful lady. Very shy but willing to please.

Erik 67
02-19-10, 16:48
Hello.

I need imformation, about what is going on in Casi Cielo in Raymond St.

I heard it was raid. Who can tell more?

Erik67

Aussiec
02-19-10, 16:53
I think there is some truth a little in what everyone one has said. Different girls have different reality to how they got to Angeles. I tend to beleave most of the girls families know that there daughters are working in the bar but tend to ignore the fact they do on basis of survival and whats needed to support there family.

Some of the "newer girls" tell there family they have a job waitressing or working as Chambermaid in Hotel. Others say they got call center job in Manila. I do agree that some work here secretly without there families and villages knowing and eventually return as looking good and innocent.

I will say the majority had a "Mom", Auntie, cousin, sister, or friend who work in bar and girl started working there. Yes many looking for foreign husband but some are well off with what they do.

I have friend I known for 2 years. She work in Champayne Bar. Very young looking and quite the spinner. She has bought a house for her parents, fully furnished and computers, electronics and 2 motor bikes and 1 car along with a large Sari Sari Store back in Province of Semar. Thanks to all us willing participants that routinely enjoy her comforts.

Some of these girls are very business minded and do so with this in mind. I suppose wise on there part if they invest it right. Others just seem to always struggle and never have a goal. Living day to day for that next P1300 barfine which P500 cut they get from there BF and maybe a tip if they are lucky. Most get trapped in the system. Others make money and get out. The truely lucky ones do meet nice guys and get married, Odds are against them on that but high enough where girls keep coming hoping for that dream.

Blackangst
02-19-10, 20:52
give us a link to this blog. i would like to see this for myself and confront directly.

thx
mugroso

there aree a few listed in a google search. many of them quote the same bs we've heard for years.

i.e. (quote from one from a report in 1997) of 500 prostitutes in angeles city, 75% are children. (sol. f. juvida, "philippines - children: scourge of child prostitution," ips, 12 october 1997) (chris: this is wrong according to a barowner there; there are now 2500-3000 girls in foreiger-oriented bars, with about 2/3 under 18.

whether or not by choice, men on sex tours inevitably buy **** girls. (new south wales legislator meredith burgmann, "aussie sex tours still flourishing,"


66%? rofl

Hesekiels
02-19-10, 23:52
... Some mamasans will tell the girls they will be waitresses...



Fine, but I am wondering what exactly is the difference between a waitress and a dancer, except that waitresses wear more sexy clothes? :) BTW, my barfine ratio is about 75% waitresses and 25% dancers. :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Edward M
02-20-10, 00:18
I like to speak at least some of the language before I go somewhere. How prevalent and proficient is English in AC? How about Tagalog? Are most of the girls locals that prefer to speak Pampangan? What about the other locals (hotles, taxis, etc)?

Gonzofiend
02-20-10, 00:27
I like to speak at least some of the language before I go somewhere. How prevalent and proficient is English in AC? How about Tagalog? Are most of the girls locals that prefer to speak Pampangan? What about the other locals (hotles, taxis, etc)?Everyone speaks pretty good english, I had no problems communicating with anyone there. The girls will speak Tagalog, here is a website (if needed) to help you learn some. http://tagaloglang.com/

Most of the girls are from the Southern Phils, places like Leyte and Samar. They each have their own dialect so it's hard to tell. English is more than adequate, especially if you throw in a few words of tagalog.

Gonzo

Laylow3
02-20-10, 00:28
@Edward M - when I was there, Tagalog was fine as it's the lingua franca of the P.I.. I don't know Pampangan and I'm pretty sure no-one else here does either but English should suffice also for that matter.

Gfe Finder
02-20-10, 00:29
I like to speak at least some of the language before I go somewhere. How prevalent and proficient is English in AC? How about Tagalog? Are most of the girls locals that prefer to speak Pampangan? What about the other locals (hotles, taxis, etc)?

In my experience, you should be fine anywhere on English alone. Obviously, the locals prefer to speak Kapampangan or Filipino to each other. I would assume that your efforts to do so would be much appreciated.

Matius
02-20-10, 02:45
Well I do. Last year I bar fined a lady who's Mom told her they were just going on a trip but then dropped her off at the bar and returned home. It just so happens that the Mom had worked at the same bar years earlier and decided it was time the daughter started pulling her weight. I communicate with her sometimes via YM and she's still working there and still waiting for Mr. Right or Mr. He'll Do.

Ah, that is a different subject, she is not looking for Mr. Right, she is looking for her father. ha ha I met up with a guy a short time ago who had been living here for 25 years. He says he has f..ked many of the girls grandmothers, mothers and now them. A man of generations.

Matius
02-20-10, 03:00
there aree a few listed in a google search. many of them quote the same bs we've heard for years.

i.e. (quote from one from a report in 1997) of 500 prostitutes in angeles city, 75% are children. (sol. f. juvida, "philippines - children: scourge of child prostitution," ips, 12 october 1997) (chris: this is wrong according to a barowner there; there are now 2500-3000 girls in foreiger-oriented bars, with about 2/3 under 18.

whether or not by choice, men on sex tours inevitably buy **** girls. (new south wales legislator meredith burgmann, "aussie sex tours still flourishing,"


66%? rofl

you are right, 1997 is almost thirteen years ago, did the dinasours roam the earth back then. i would also say there must be upwards of 50,000 girls in all the bars around ac. if there is an "****" girl in a bar, and they do sneak in with fake birth certificates, its more likely she is 17 soon to be 18. and there is absolutely no way even 5% percent are ****, let alone 2/3rds. and if you are person inclined to **** girls, and there are a few who come to this town, this is the wrong town for you. people will turn you in (including the foreigners here), most hotels will report you, the police will try to catch you, and it is one of the few things of corruption here where no one will have any sympathy for you.

FurryFriend
02-20-10, 08:34
BTW, my barfine ratio is about 75% waitresses and 25% dancers.

I just came back from AC. This time, I've noticed the waitresses are more aggressive about pitching themselves to get drinks or get barfined. In the past, they would try to get you to pick a girl off the stage instead.

I wonder if there is tension between the dancers and the waitresses as a result.

Dveight
02-20-10, 10:58
I just came back from AC. This time, I've noticed the waitresses are more aggressive about pitching themselves to get drinks or get barfined. In the past, they would try to get you to pick a girl off the stage instead.

I wonder if there is tension between the dancers and the waitresses as a result.


I've only barfined two waitresses, but neither worked out very well, and were really disappointing. I'll stick to dancers, but thats just my opinion.

Ekspat
02-20-10, 11:10
Today met a bargirl I know for quite some time.
After some minutes I realized her belly...---> Clearly pregnant!
Yes, she said, already 6 months.

Asked her about the father, she said an Aussie.
Asked her whether he takes care... No.
She said he even does not know and she'll give the baby away.
Free for adoption or so.

OMG, when I would make a girl pregnant, IMO I'd like to know and take care.

Just strange and sad, such stories.
Good luck for this innocent baby......

Cheers!

Betong
02-20-10, 13:40
I just came back from AC. This time, I've noticed the waitresses are more aggressive about pitching themselves to get drinks or get barfined.It's high high season and the dynamics seem a bit strange. The best girls are pretty much permanently bought out. Huge numbers of others still dancing, but generally low in quality, and many of them really aren't interested in barfines. They're satisfied just working for their daily wage. Some won't even make eye contact with customers. So one result is that the waitresses have gotten very gung-ho. Had a delightful one this afternoon, except what I took to be a Jollibelly was actually a pregnancy!

BlueSeoul
02-20-10, 16:35
About to make my third trip to AC. Haven't been there in a year. Any news about good/cheap hotels that are close to the action?

Pete Benetar
02-20-10, 19:22
A.Santos is "Blow Road" ... why do you think they were all screaming out Bj's.Hahaha. I guess Ignorance really CAN be Bliss. Thanks for the clarification. One of the local ex pat's told me it was much closer to VFW end of Perimeter which was the source of my confusion. If there is an "alternate" BJ row. Please advise.

Thanks

Streetlooker
02-20-10, 20:07
well election time is here mates! word is casi cielo was raided yesterday. for those that not know where it is, its located behind orchid inn off raymond street. i had just got back to sydney and my friend contacted me of events there. to bad cause i had met "baby" there and she was a true beauty.

from what i am told several vans pulled up with plain clothes nbi and close bar down and escorted the ladies out. my sourse says a former worker reported the bar as not having proper papers for workers and alledged some were or may have been not of age.

we can expect more raids like this considering elections are less than 3 months away and the politicians want to put on show. would love to hear if anyone saw the raids. take care mates.

there website of casi cielo is now down but i have pic of baby before site went down. very beautiful lady. very shy but willing to please.
oct 2009 found this place but imo most of the girls looked to be babys ****.sweaty fat guy sitting out front with laptop looked disgusting didn;t talk to him went inside and saw 2 young boys sitting in there 14 or so i would say want the f is up with that. i left and went next door for to the massage parlor for a 2 hrs session if they got raided i bet it was for ****d girls and maybe boys

Nathan Smith
02-20-10, 21:18
Hey all,

I am planning my first trip to AC, unfortunately the only time I can get away from work is during the Easter weekend. Just wondering if it would be worth the visit or would all the lovely LBFMs have left for the holy week.

Thanks in advance.

Jan 156
02-20-10, 22:06
Why not find out what Cebuana hospitality is all about and fly down to Cebu!? CP flies direct from Clark three times a week. You can hang at a beach by day and enjoy some good nightlife at night!

PS....Don't kid yourself about the volcano as it's no walk in the park. Several tourists died up there a few months back.


Hi there - yes, am thinking of it - though it is a big dash in less than a week. I hope I did not upset anyone by my comments on Fields, as I am sure many people feel they have a great time here.

I did the volcano today - not commercialised at all - worth going to Philippines alone for actually I thought.

ThatGuy865
02-21-10, 04:11
not that i outrightly disagree with all you've said, i can't rightly agree with the concept of being conned. a huge majority of the girls come from mindanao, samar and leyete. having been a frequent visitor to all, the girls know exactly what ac is all about, as they do with what occurs in manila. most girls come with a friend or relative, who is already working in ac, if you visit one of these provinces, you will find bar girls all over, back on vacation with their families, so the girl you suggest would have to be dumb as nails not to have heard of ac. of course i speak of girls who are 18 or older, know nothing about bringing **** girls here, if that exists. you also assume their parents have never heard of angeles, although most choose to ignore what it means if their daughter is working there. thus the fiction of being a waitress.

in regards to the concept of economic slavery, most bars have stay-in houses, the cost of which is about 100 to 200 peso per week, at the high end, about one day's salary at most bars. food costs are about 40 to 80 peso per meal for the girl. now the girl may feel she is not making enough money, but salary alone would more than take care of her basic living, not counting ladies drinks.

where i can find common ground is that girls come from the provinces with a niave perspective of what they will end up doing. the know what angeles is, but their first expectation is that they will find mr. right. what they don't realize is that even mr. right is not going to be right unless he first samples the wares. potential mr. right after mr. right cons the girl for that sample until she no longer selects on that basis. also, after one or two disappointments, the money does kick in and these girls get the same sad stories from home that so many on this forum have heard before. someone died, sick, blah, blah, blah, send money.

there are girls in this town, "professional cherry girls", who do not go out for sex, make their money from ladies drinks and salary and if they are pretty enough may eventually find the right guy. its not a total fiction that a girl can come to angeles, keep her virginity, and end up happily married to a good guy.

and as a final perspective, i don't know one girl who works in a bar, who has not seen the bar before working. it would seem pretty hard to con the girl into the bar being anything but what it is, when she walks in to see 50 girls in bikini's and waitress dresses and old men sucking an 18 year old's face in the corner. she may be shy, maybe a little niave, but it is obvious to any girl. as far as other work, there are tons of restaurants, hotels and shops that hire girls, maybe not as much money as the bars, but plenty of opportunities. try to find a simple housekeeper here, then you know there are no lack of jobs for someone willing to work.

but a nice story, does it make the sex better, or did some bar girl tell it to you. ha ha hanow some flaws in your perspective. i too have traveled the pi. and just because a places like samar and leyete have ex bar girls there or bar girls who have returned there on vacation.. doesn't mean all the girls on those islands are aware of what is going on. a lot of the girls who go back never admit to what it its they did in ac. most lie and say they were waitress only. very few go back and admit they were selling pussy to get money.

secondly, yes while the girls maybe able to live a meager lifestyle from their salaries, most come to ac thinking they will be able to help the family's situation back home. their parents don't have to lie to them about hardship situations because they already know for a fact their families are living in hardship. so they feel a sense of obligation to help to a degree that we as westerners probably do not feel because our families nor us have live in such dire straits. could you live comfortable, eating all you could, knowing your brothers and sisters, mother and father had nothing but a scrap of meat and rice at best every day.

so the economic pressure becomes, along with the sense of family obligation is what drive most to the point of selling the asses. sure after a while they become comfortable with the idea. but that doesn't mean they came with the idea of doing that in the first place.

also jst because they come and see girls dancing in bikinis they should know that they are going to sell ass. is a far fetch. most are very naive farm girls who have no idea about the world and they way things are done. you see all the time there. the girls clinging to each other. not wanting to make eye contact with a customer. doing what they have to do to make a buck.

but guys want to believe that these girls came to sell ass because guys don't want to feel like they are exploiting the women. i at least admit that i know it is and still take part in the exploitation. i just like to think of myself as one of the nice exploiters.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Noguera
02-21-10, 04:30
For comparison sake, if a girl could find a job as a shop girl over at SM Mall, her average salary is around 4000 php per two weeks. That is ≈US$ 86 at today’s exchange. A school teacher in the Philippines, with a college education, will earn a base salary of around 15,000 php (US$ 325) per month, plus a small pension and health benefits.

Now, let’s look at the average bargirl. I have talked to quite a few of the bargirls along Fields and I feel these general numbers are pretty realistic. The average bargirl … emphasis on average … will pull 2-3 barfines per week (at 600 php for the girl). This is the equivalent of US$ 13 for a full night of sex with a stranger! How do I define average … well I have asked these questions to at least a dozen girls on Fields and they say that out of every 10 bargirls, 5 of them will pull 2-3 barfines per week. By comparison, one or two (1.5) will actually work so hard as to average 5-6 barfines per week, and the remaining 3-4 girls will do considerably less than two barfines in a week.

In addition to the 2-3 barfines per week for the average girl, an “average” tip for a barfine runs ≈300 php.

The third source of income is lady’s drinks. Again, 50% of the girls only down maybe two lady’s drinks per night (at their cut of 50 php @). All the girls tell me this is a good average number. Many of them have told me, “Hey look at us … 90% of us only weight 40-45 kg, we can’t down any more alcohol than that, six nights per week!”

Lastly, most of the bars pay a flat fee of around 140 php per night, for the girls to dance.

If you take all of these numbers into consideration, they come to a total income of right around 7400 php for 12 days of work (US$ 160). This is nearly twice that of a shop girl. Plus, one must take into consideration it is extremely difficult for a normal girl to find a job at SM Mall, or any shop in AC, or at McDonald’s, or as a maid in a hotel. Also those are really hard working jobs. However, if you are half-way decent looking there are a lot of opportunities to work as a bargirl.

Do the math, and consider these girl’s options! It is easy to get a well paying bargirl job (though the emotional and relational price is quite expensive to many girls) and a hell of a lot more difficult to get a much lower paying “real” job.

Betong
02-21-10, 05:02
I hope I did not upset anyone by my comments on Fields, as I am sure many people feel they have a great time here.AC is definitely an acquired taste, and it can take a while to get into the rhythm of the place. You might want to consider trying it again someday, preferably in lower season and (if you're solo this time) with friends. Of all the main mongering places in SE Asia, I think it's the one that most benefits from having good friends around.

BTW who did you use for your Pinatubo hike? I've been meaning to get up there for years.

Rob Woodrow
02-21-10, 06:43
...I wonder if there is tension between the dancers and the waitresses as a result.
Definitely. I know a dancer who quit Champagne for that very reason. Waitresses always get the first crack at customers. And sometimes a customer would rather take out a waitress who he's already been talking to than try to start the process over with some girl from the dance stage.

I've only barfined two waitresses, but neither worked out very well, and were really disappointing. I'll stick to dancers, but thats just my opinion.
I've BF'd a few more waitresses than that, and they've generally been damned good. Same hit or miss ratio as dancers. And at small bars, dancers and waitresses swap positions all the time.

Sleepy Floyd
02-21-10, 11:35
Just came back from a brief trip to ACHere are a few impressions of the bars I visited.
I spent the first night(Saturday) barhopping with a girl I met on a pevious trip. We hit Dity Duck, which was packed with punters and girls, which I guess isn't too difficult to achieve with such a small bar. The girls were crammed onto the tiny stage without much room to move. Some of them seemed pretty lively but didn't see any knockouts. Probably about 4 of them were barfineable in my book.
Next stop was Aura, which seems to be a Korean hangout.The stage is actually sunk below the seating area and its hard to see everything unless you are in the front row. They have a show every couple of hours, which was entertaining because they were dancing to some loud headbanging metal which you don't find in many bars. Also memorable because one girl got dropped on her head while the other girls were attempting to lift her. She seemed to come out of it ok, so I can laugh about it now. Probably 30-40 girls there that night. Alot of them seemed decent, but upon closer review maybe 7 or 8 were barfineable. Thumbs down to the douchebag meathead with tanktop and tribal armband tattoo and his fat guido friend who decided they would go onto the floor and try to dance with the girls.I don't go to the bars to watch some retards make an asses out of themselves. The girls were not impressed either, as they were all trying to get away as these guys tried to grind up on them. And the staff was not to pleased when the guys refused to buy any drinks for any of the girls after trying to accost them on the dance floor.
The next day I was alone and free to barfine so I set out in the early afternoon. Walked in Typhoon, only 6 girls onstage, none attractive so I turned around and walked right out. Headed for Voodoo, which had more girls but nobody stood out. I did stay for a drink and some ugly chick gave me a shoulder rub. I felt bad for her so I bought her a drink. The 2 hottest girls on stage seemed stuck up and avoided eye contact, and since they were the only passable chicks, I finished my drink and walked out. Went to Lollipop, and liked the vibe so I settled in. Some of the girls there are pretty wild and aggressive. Lots of dick grabbing and titties flashed in my face. Lots of the girls gave interesting names for themselves, like Vanessa the Undresser, Super Ball Licker, Amazing Dogstyle, and Hard Fucker. I ended up basically being double teamed by a waitress and a particularly horny dancer. The waitress was trying to distract me while the dancer was jacking me off and the mamasan kept coming over trying to get a glimpse of my cock. I ended up buying lots of drinks for the doubleteamers, but ended up barfining one of the less aggressive girls from the stage. She turned out to be pretty wild in bed and we spent the rest of the afternoon alternating between fucking and napping. She left around 9pm and probably went right back to the bar to try to get another barfine. I went back the next day and saw the same cast of characters and observed 3 different girls go out on barfine and return to the bar within 90 minutes. So while this is a fun bar, expect runners and high mileage on the girls. I'm not much of a latenighter so I do alot of mongring in the daytime. In my opinion Lollipop had the best daytime talent. Hit a couple of perimeter bars, Roadies and Lost in Asia, and almost threw up in my mouth from the lineups. Also hit Angelitch and Insomnia late in the afternoon and was not impressed.

Red Kilt
02-21-10, 13:48
For comparison sake, ........ A school teacher in the Philippines, with a college education, will earn a base salary of around 15,000 php (US$ 325) per month, plus a small pension and health benefits.Just to keep the facts accurate guys - an average salary for a teacher with a full qualification is nearer to 10,000 php per month and the pension and health benefits are included in that (ie - deducted).

Makes being a bargirl even more attractive (if, as Noguera says, she can handle the emotional and physical aspects)

Jan 156
02-21-10, 15:31
AC is definitely an acquired taste, and it can take a while to get into the rhythm of the place. You might want to consider trying it again someday, preferably in lower season and (if you're solo this time) with friends. Of all the main mongering places in SE Asia, I think it's the one that most benefits from having good friends around.

BTW who did you use for your Pinatubo hike? I've been meaning to get up there for years.

I'm afraid I would only try to avoid it in future, personally. I have no desire to monger with friends - if I do then it is because we share other things in common other than paying for pussy lol. Of all the places I've mongered in SE Asia, it would be my last choice. However, it has novelty value - like Patpong - but unlike Patpong utterly nothing else really.

I'll email you the guide I used. I think anyone will arrange the tour at much the same price but he was excellent so I'd like to give him the business. You can do it thru anyone - I used my hotel and probably paid the standard markup (agencies quoted same price).

btw 'not a cake walk' - an apter description could perhaps be 'not a walk in the park'. There are only modest safety (nanny) provisions. I asked my guide to take my photo, noticing as he was finding the best angle that I am on a three foot promontory with a sheer drop one step away. No rail. No warning. On the way back saw a rather silly girl attempting the four hour tough hike in midday sun, poor footwear, no head protection against sun - hope she made it. I wandered off a few times although my guide warned me that my feet would get incinerated if I went to the wrong bit. The floor of the lake drops away very fast. You get a life vest if you go in the boat but this is not an organised tour in the sense that you are looked after. You don't need to be a mountaineer, but it is for grown-ups so to speak. :)

Betong
02-21-10, 17:11
Went to Lollipop, and liked the vibe so I settled in. Some of the girls there are pretty wild and aggressive.I was there yesterday afternoon and had the same experience. I guess they're hungry and they've learned what works. Worked for me anyhow.

In Gecko's tonight, two big spender Asians down at the end of the bar buying drinks for all the girls, multiple rounds. Which didn't make it a lot of fun for the rest of us. I couldn't place the guys -- not Korean, nor Japanese, nor SE Asian. Turns out they were mainland Chinese. Inevitable, I guess . . . .

Betong
02-21-10, 18:03
I have no desire to monger with friends - if I do then it is because we share other things in common other than paying for pussy lol.Well, exactly. It's one of the great pleasures of my life that a few guys who I really like for all kinds of other reasons have come to share this hobby, and occasionally have time to join me in places like Pattaya or AC for a week or two hanging out together.

Of all the places I've mongered in SE Asia, it would be my last choice. However, it has novelty value - like Patpong - but unlike Patpong utterly nothing else really.No problems if that's how you feel, but you may have trouble convincing some of us here of that! AC is a curious place. It can seem shallow and nasty at first -- and on one level it is -- but it can become strangely addictive, and not just for the sex.

ThatGuy865
02-21-10, 18:40
For comparison sake, if a girl could find a job as a shop girl over at SM Mall, her average salary is around 4000 php per two weeks. That is ˜US$ 86 at today's exchange. A school teacher in the Philippines, with a college education, will earn a base salary of around 15, 000 php (US$ 325) per month, plus a small pension and health benefits.

Now, let's look at the average bargirl. I have talked to quite a few of the bargirls along Fields and I feel these general numbers are pretty realistic. The average bargirl emphasis on average will pull 2-3 barfines per week (at 600 php for the girl). This is the equivalent of US$ 13 for a full night of sex with a stranger! How do I define average well I have asked these questions to at least a dozen girls on Fields and they say that out of every 10 bargirls, 5 of them will pull 2-3 barfines per week. By comparison, one or two (1. 5) will actually work so hard as to average 5-6 barfines per week, and the remaining 3-4 girls will do considerably less than two barfines in a week.

In addition to the 2-3 barfines per week for the average girl, an "average" tip for a barfine runs ˜300 php.

The third source of income is lady's drinks. Again, 50% of the girls only down maybe two lady's drinks per night (at their cut of 50 php at). All the girls tell me this is a good average number. Many of them have told me, "Hey look at us 90% of us only weight 40-45 kg, we can't down any more alcohol than that, six nights per week! "

Lastly, most of the bars pay a flat fee of around 140 php per night, for the girls to dance.

If you take all of these numbers into consideration, they come to a total income of right around 7400 php for 12 days of work (US$ 160). This is nearly twice that of a shop girl. Plus, one must take into consideration it is extremely difficult for a normal girl to find a job at SM Mall, or any shop in AC, or at McDonald's, or as a maid in a hotel. Also those are really hard working jobs. However, if you are half-way decent looking there are a lot of opportunities to work as a bargirl.

Do the math, and consider these girl's options! It is easy to get a well paying bargirl job (though the emotional and relational price is quite expensive to many girls) and a hell of a lot more difficult to get a much lower paying "real" job.You are just wrong. There is no way the AVERAGE for these girls is 2 to 3 barfines a week. If you tripled the number of tourist who go there they could not barfine all these girls 2 to 3 times in a week. Alantis alone has close to 300 girls on one shift with 3 shifts of girls. If 20 are barfined in any one night that would be a good night. Crystal palace almost the same, Dollhouse the same, Pony tails around 150 girls each shift. The average girl is lucky to get bar fined period in a week. Are there some who get 2 and 3 barfines in a week. Sure but the majority of girls do NOT. Only those exceptional beauties. And when you talk about bars that have a lot of girls but are not glitsy. Like Lancelot, Champagne, and all the bar in upper perimeter. Lost in Asia. Where the same 4 or 5 girls get bar fined.

That is one of the misconception of a lot of guys. Just because you ask the beauty you are with. How often she is barfined doesn't mean that is most girls.

During the week days AC has considerably less numbers of tourist. So it is impossible everygirl or even 1/2 the girls in AC get even 1 barfine each week. There just isn't that many guys, including expat that live there. Especially since alot of them don't barfine and have wive and just Drinkers now with the occasional on the side ST. But nothing like a tourist. Your numbers are just way off.

The reason why most of these girls don't have jobs in the Mall is because they don't qualify. You have to be either a college grad, in college or one of the brightest students in your school to land a job in the PI. Thats even at Jolliebees. Most of the girls in fields came from poor families, a lot dropped out of school, did poorly in school, or couldn't afford to go to college.

Besides a lot come from remote areas where there are no malls. They can't just fly 2 islands over put in an application. Stay in a hotel to wait to see if they get the job. And then what? Where do they live. How do they eat waiting to see if they got the job?. You have to remember how poor the families are that these girls come from.

Cebu Steve
02-21-10, 21:10
Guys, I'll be coming to the Philippines at the end of March and wanted to try to hit AC as I'm free my first 2 days. Would be my first AC trip

I'm trying to figure out my options to fly to Clark from Hong Kong or Macau. The only airline I've found that flies to Clark from these places is Cebu Pacific. From HK 1 morning flight and from Macau at 21:40. Are there any other options? I'll be arriving in HK and need to book a follow on flight to Manila or Clark.

Since I only have 2 days / nights free, I wanted to fly direct to Clark rather than getting in to Manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to AC.

I have RTFF but didn't see any alternatives to those I mentioned above.

Thanks

Professional
02-22-10, 04:40
You are just wrong. There is no way the AVERAGE for these girls is 2 to 3 barfines a week. If you tripled the number of tourist who go there they could not barfine all these girls 2 to 3 times in a week. Alantis alone has close to 300 girls on one shift with 3 shifts of girls. If 20 are barfined in any one night that would be a good night. Crystal palace almost the same, Dollhouse the same, Pony tails around 150 girls each shift. The average girl is lucky to get bar fined period in a week. Are there some who get 2 and 3 barfines in a week. Sure but the majority of girls do NOT. Only those exceptional beauties. And when you talk about bars that have a lot of girls but are not glitsy. Like Lancelot, Champagne, and all the bar in upper perimeter. Lost in Asia. Where the same 4 or 5 girls get bar fined.

That is one of the misconception of a lot of guys. Just because you ask the beauty you are with. How often she is barfined doesn't mean that is most girls.

During the week days AC has considerably less numbers of tourist. So it is impossible everygirl or even 1/2 the girls in AC get even 1 barfine each week. There just isn't that many guys, including expat that live there. Especially since alot of them don't barfine and have wive and just Drinkers now with the occasional on the side ST. But nothing like a tourist. Your numbers are just way off.

The reason why most of these girls don't have jobs in the Mall is because they don't qualify. You have to be either a college grad, in college or one of the brightest students in your school to land a job in the PI. Thats even at Jolliebees. Most of the girls in fields came from poor families, a lot dropped out of school, did poorly in school, or couldn't afford to go to college.

Besides a lot come from remote areas where there are no malls. They can't just fly 2 islands over put in an application. Stay in a hotel to wait to see if they get the job. And then what? Where do they live. How do they eat waiting to see if they got the job?. You have to remember how poor the families are that these girls come from.I agree for the most part, think about it every time I have been to AC girls out number guy 5 to 1, AC does not get enough visitor to barfine an average of 3 time a week and really I think the best looking one are barfined 5 or 6 times a week leaving the less attractive ones barfined maybe less than once a week, if they are lucky. But really I have nothing to base my assumptions on other than observation. After all what do you barfine the prettiest or ugliest girls?

As for jollybee and the malls only hiring college grads I just find it hard to believe but again I have no knowledge in this area but if that is true with the amount of malls, jollybees, chow kings, and not to mention all the call center, lawyers, accountant and other professional jobs I would think if all the jobs require college degrees then PI is more educated than USA or any other nation for that matter? And really I don't know this is just my observation.

Thanks

Rob Woodrow
02-22-10, 06:23
Headed for Voodoo, which had more girls but nobody stood out. I did stay for a drink and some ugly chick gave me a shoulder rub. I felt bad for her so I bought her a drink.
I bet I know exactly who you mean. She sells a lot of LD's that way. The best response is "No, thanks."

...She left around 9pm and probably went right back to the bar to try to get another barfine. I went back the next day and saw the same cast of characters and observed 3 different girls go out on barfine and return to the bar within 90 minutes. So while this is a fun bar, expect runners and high mileage on the girls.
This is exactly my experience as well. The girls from there cannot wait to leave. One time I barfined a girl from there I'd barfined before. This time I made sure she knew I expected LT before we left the bar. Her cure for that dilemma was to be annoying enough for me to want her to leave.

Rob Woodrow
02-22-10, 06:34
guys, i'll be coming to the philippines at the end of march and wanted to try to hit ac as i'm free my first 2 days. would be my first ac trip

i'm trying to figure out my options to fly to clark from hong kong or macau. the only airline i've found that flies to clark from these places is cebu pacific. from hk 1 morning flight and from macau at 21:40. are there any other options? i'll be arriving in hk and need to book a follow on flight to manila or clark.

since i only have 2 days / nights free, i wanted to fly direct to clark rather than getting in to manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to ac.

i have rtff but didn't see any alternatives to those i mentioned above.

thanks
nope, that's pretty much it, as far as i know. the hk flight is only useful if you are already in hk the day of the flight. it's at 9 am or something, which means you need to the airport fairly early in the morning--which pretty much means you already need to be in hk that morning. that flight isn't daily either; it's only mwf and maybe saturday, i can't remember. so unless you are arriving in hk on sunday, tuesday, or thursday night, you'll need to use the macau option. also, make sure you purchase your ticket ahead of time; they will [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you if you buy the ticket at the airport counter. expect to pay about 4-5x what you would pay otherwise.

some guys in ac are geographically challenged. once they hear i live in china, they comment something like "that's great, you can fly from hk to clark!" yeah, hk-clark is great--if you live in hk. i don't.

Hoboken56
02-22-10, 07:25
Is Cebu Pacific still taking advantage of the PI govt's requirement for an Exit tix?

I was never asked to show any exit tix at Clark immigration, so that leaves the scrutiny at check-in with Cebu Pacific.

During my current trip I did buy a round-trip tix just to be safe, but it is a pain if you need to change plans. I just can't decipher the crap on their website regarding applying credit towards a changed flight.

Can anybody explain in plain English? Do I lose 100% of the cost of the cancelled tix? Or a very high percentage? This is for the regular GO fare, not their PROMO fare, which I understand with the latter, there's no cancellation or refund possibilities.

Thanks

Fast Eddie 48
02-22-10, 08:03
Guys, I'll be coming to the Philippines at the end of March and wanted to try to hit AC as I'm free my first 2 days. Would be my first AC trip

I'm trying to figure out my options to fly to Clark from Hong Kong or Macau. The only airline I've found that flies to Clark from these places is Cebu Pacific. From HK 1 morning flight and from Macau at 21:40. Are there any other options? I'll be arriving in HK and need to book a follow on flight to Manila or Clark.

Since I only have 2 days / nights free, I wanted to fly direct to Clark rather than getting in to Manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to AC.

I have RTFF but didn't see any alternatives to those I mentioned above.

ThanksCebu Steve,

I am in Manila right now just check price on cebu pacific office, Manila to macau once a day cost is 4100 peso one way and clark to macau is more 4800 peso one way only 5 a week no discount now, damn I use to fly tiger air clark to macau only 50 USD but they already stop this route.

Fast Eddie 48

White Whale
02-22-10, 08:26
Guys, I'll be coming to the Philippines at the end of March and wanted to try to hit AC as I'm free my first 2 days. Would be my first AC trip

I'm trying to figure out my options to fly to Clark from Hong Kong or Macau. The only airline I've found that flies to Clark from these places is Cebu Pacific. From HK 1 morning flight and from Macau at 21:40. Are there any other options? I'll be arriving in HK and need to book a follow on flight to Manila or Clark.

Since I only have 2 days / nights free, I wanted to fly direct to Clark rather than getting in to Manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to AC.

I have RTFF but didn't see any alternatives to those I mentioned above.

Thanks

You can find complete flight schedule for every airline operator to Clark in http://www.dmia.ph/node/46

Normad2020
02-22-10, 09:32
Friends, I have been reading through this forum and the information I have gathered is priceless. I am excited as I am going to make my first trip to AC and now I have a situation which I hope someone here could point me in the right direction....

My situation:

I am scheduled to attend a meeting in Manila on 13 May 2010. As I will be flying in from Malaysia (AirAsia), I want to stay at Angeles and commute (day trip) to Manila (InterContinental Hotel) for the meeting.

My question are:

(1) as I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue and back?

(2) is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

Hope you can help.

Cheers
normad2020

X Man
02-22-10, 12:14
Thank you for reading thru the forum before posting your questions. What is it about the previously posted information about bus/ private bus / taxi / private hire that you don't understand?

Door to door, you'll probably need to do a private hire. You didn't tell us what time the meeting is, but that is probably irrelevant. You might save a few pesos by asking your hotel of choice what their fee would be....then bargain from there. X




Friends, I have been reading through this forum and the information I have gathered is priceless. I am excited as I am going to make my first trip to AC and now I have a situation which I hope someone here could point me in the right direction....

My situation:

I am scheduled to attend a meeting in Manila on 13 May 2010. As I will be flying in from Malaysia (AirAsia), I want to stay at Angeles and commute (day trip) to Manila (InterContinental Hotel) for the meeting.

My question are:

(1) as I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue and back?

(2) is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

Hope you can help.

Cheers
normad2020

X Man
02-22-10, 12:29
Good points Pro

I have no idea about the actual statisticz, nor what was meant by "average",

I would thing that average would be averagely good lookin and those girls get barfined quite regularly....some would say. I only know that if I go into a bar early and hope to find the same gal later, ...she is most often gone.

Get those average gals early...and they'll do you well later. X



SNIP

As for jollybee and the malls only hiring college grads I just find it hard to believe but again I have no knowledge in this area but if that is true with the amount of malls, jollybees, chow kings, and not to mention all the call center, lawyers, accountant and other professional jobs I would think if all the jobs require college degrees then PI is more educated than USA or any other nation for that matter? And really I don't know this is just my observation.

Thanks

Red Kilt
02-22-10, 12:39
As for jollybee and the malls only hiring college grads I just find it hard to believe but again I have no knowledge in this area but if that is true with the amount of malls, jollybees, chow kings, and not to mention all the call center, lawyers, accountant and other professional jobs I would think if all the jobs require college degrees then PI is more educated than USA or any other nation for that matter? And really I don't know this is just my observation.The Licensing Exam for Elementary teachers (LET) in the Philippines last year had a pass rate of 18.7%

In other words, 81.3% of the education degree "graduates" did not qualify to be hired as teachers.

I understand that the statistics for the licensing exam for graduating nurses was even worse than for teachers.

These are the "educated" people who end up taking all manner of jobs in the places that you mentioned.

It means that there are literally 100s of second or third-rate "colleges" or training institutions that are cash cows for the owners but give their enrollees only a "Mickey Mouse" quality course (with apologies to Mick).

Poopbunny
02-22-10, 13:53
Unless your flight arrives in HK early in the morning, the HK morning flight will be difficult. You have to collect your luggage, go through customs and immigration and exit to the landside to check into the Clark flight as Cebu has no transfer desk on the airside of the airport.

This leaves the Macau option. It is possible to transfer to the Macau ferry from HKIA airside. The ferry runs every hour and the journey from HKIA to Macau is about 1 hour (cost about HK$235 ish). Then allow about 30 mins to clear Macau immigration. At Macau ferry terminal building, you can take a taxi directly to the Macau International Airport (about 10 mins away) cost about MOP 60 (maybe a little more with luggage, HK$ also accepted at the same value as MOP). If you have a bit extra time, you can save the MOP 60 cab fare by taking a free courtesy shuttle bus to the Venetian (you don't need to be staying there to use this free bus). Once at Venetian, you can take another free bus from Venetian to Macau airport (or if you have no luggage, the airport is probably only a 15 min walk from the Venetian). From memory, there is a bit of walking between the Venetian bus from Macau Ferry Terminal Building to the airport Venetian bus. Although they are in the same hotel/casino the drop off pick up between courtesy ferry bus and airport bus are from different entrances and the Venetian is huge (5-10mins walk). You have to wheel you luggage through the casino floor which is allowed, as everyone uses the same route to get to their rooms.

Prepare yourself for some credit card woes if booking with Cebu pacific. You may need to use one of their travel agents and wire money to them. I read somewhere only an estimated 10 - 20% of overseas credit cards work for Cebu.

If time is of essence, it is better and cheaper you travel from HKIA to Macau and then Clark if you can't take the HK flight. If you take the late flight into Manila, you will arrive in Manila too late, miss the cheap Swagman bus, and the taxi costs between Manila and AC is much more than the ferry costs between HKIA and Macau. And once in Manila, add 2 more hours to get to AC. By the time you check into your hotel, all the hotties would have already been BF by either me, ekspat, hesekiels, rob, xman or etc...

Good luck




Guys, I'll be coming to the Philippines at the end of March and wanted to try to hit AC as I'm free my first 2 days. Would be my first AC trip

I'm trying to figure out my options to fly to Clark from Hong Kong or Macau. The only airline I've found that flies to Clark from these places is Cebu Pacific. From HK 1 morning flight and from Macau at 21:40. Are there any other options? I'll be arriving in HK and need to book a follow on flight to Manila or Clark.

Since I only have 2 days / nights free, I wanted to fly direct to Clark rather than getting in to Manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to AC.

I have RTFF but didn't see any alternatives to those I mentioned above.

Thanks

Sammon
02-22-10, 14:21
Good points Pro

I have no idea about the actual statisticz, nor what was meant by "average",

I would thing that average would be averagely good lookin and those girls get barfined quite regularly....some would say. I only know that if I go into a bar early and hope to find the same gal later, ...she is most often gone.

Get those average gals early...and they'll do you well later. X

Generally the problem of barfining early is that you take her to your room , have sex and then what. It is still early. Unless the girl is into you she will use all excuses to run. even if she stays with you she would not like to stay in the room. That leaves option of dinner, barhopping etc which will cost you.
I find it is always better to barfine after 9-10 PM so that the girl stays with you till morning and you get another shot. Unless you know the girl already better to barfine later. Besides there are plenty of girls to choose.

Luvpuss
02-22-10, 16:40
i do have a trip planned to ac in april.

but, after reading this site and another, i am rethinking.

a fair share of post are regarding rip offs, over prices drinks, police raids, **** girls, scams, poor performances in the bedroom, dirty conditons, poor infratructure, lousy food, i can go on and on.

i think maybe some just must be pissed and are posting just to get their frustration out. that is ok, but i am trying to figure out if there is a true upside to this place.

Amjeck
02-22-10, 18:25
Generally the problem of barfining early is that you take her to your room , have sex and then what. It is still early. Unless the girl is into you she will use all excuses to run. even if she stays with you she would not like to stay in the room. That leaves option of dinner, barhopping etc which will cost you.

Go bar fine another girl. Angeles has not much to offer other than sex. Why not bang multiple girls every night.

You can also watch tv, surf internet, or sleep.

If you get there too late, most of the good ones are taken already anyways.

Flying Scotsman
02-23-10, 00:53
i do have a trip planned to ac in april.

but, after reading this site and another, i am rethinking.

a fair share of post are regarding rip offs, over prices drinks, police raids, **** girls, scams, poor performances in the bedroom, dirty conditons, poor infratructure, lousy food, i can go on and on.

i think maybe some just must be pissed and are posting just to get their frustration out. that is ok, but i am trying to figure out if there is a true upside to this place.

been visiting ac for years. philippines for 30 years and ac for about 15..never had a problem. cant really say much more than that. be nice(but firm) with the girls...enjoy yourself and have a great time. some of the above claims depend a lot on how you live while you are there. some guys dont want to spend their money or dont have much to spend... i dont understand that mentality. if you cant afford to be there..stay at home..save up till you can afford a good time.

jmho

flying scotsman

Luvpuss
02-23-10, 01:44
Been visiting AC for years. Philippines for 30 years and AC for about 15..never had a problem. Cant really say much more than that. Be nice(but firm) with the girls...enjoy yourself and have a great time. Some of the above claims depend a lot on how you live while you are there. Some guys dont want to spend their money or dont have much to spend... i dont understand that mentality. If you cant afford to be there..stay at home..save up till you can afford a good time.

jmho

flying scotsmanOK, thanks.

I am lucky, I have a great retirement, so money is not a problem. It just seems like people have more complaints than positive experiences. I am going to be flying a long ways to get there. I guess I will have to find out for myself.

RasSpewtin
02-23-10, 02:25
i just returned from 5 days in angeles and had a great time there. a guy can have a great time there or a truly lousy time; it's up to him. it's what you make it.

if you are concerned about rip-offs, every tourist destination has them. just do your research on the board and you should be able to avoid them. and at the end of the day, what we would call a rip-off in the philippines would still be cheap in the west.

over priced drinks? the most expensive ladies drinks are 300p. just tell the waitress that you will buy the girl a single, which should be 100 to 150p. do the math.

police raids? yes, there are some. but if you are a customer and not doing anything to attract attention they will leave you alone.

poor performances in the beadroom? depends on your skills in picking the right girl. this applies anywhere.

dirty conditions and poor infrastructure? welcome to the philippines. find a clean hotel and avoid the bumps on the road.

lousy food? some truth in this to be sure. but on this trip i took the time to figure out which local food is edible and healthy. you can eat well if you make an effort.

if you go to the philippines looking for all of the negative things that you mentioned, i guarantee that you will find them. but if you go there with some research under your hat and a smile on your face you will have an awesome time.

raz




i do have a trip planned to ac in april.

but, after reading this site and another, i am rethinking.

a fair share of post are regarding rip offs, over prices drinks, police raids, **** girls, scams, poor performances in the bedroom, dirty conditons, poor infratructure, lousy food, i can go on and on.

i think maybe some just must be pissed and are posting just to get their frustration out. that is ok, but i am trying to figure out if there is a true upside to this place.

Normad2020
02-23-10, 03:41
Thank you for your kind response to my queries.

I acknowledged that I am a bit slow in digesting the vast amount of information posted on this forum. But then again as with my other trips to other mongering destinations (where I am going for the first or numerous times), I will normally make it a point to read as much as possible from ISG.

Sometime given my limited imagination span (and possibly IQ???), it is harder to join the "dots" together just from reading the many posts. I decided to politely asked for information on this forum in the hope that "experts" who have been in Manila and Angeles for many years and have made thousands of posting might extend a helping hand to another fellow forum members, so that I may planned my trip properly and hopefully to avoid as many "pitfalls" as possible for my virgin trip there.

I hope that I may yet find a kind and generous "expert" on the Manila and Angeles scene to show me that there is indeed "a light at the end of the tunnel" for a first-timer to The Philippines.

I thank you in advance.

Cheers
normad2020





Thank you for reading thru the forum before posting your questions. What is it about the previously posted information about bus/ private bus / taxi / private hire that you don't understand?

Door to door, you'll probably need to do a private hire. You didn't tell us what time the meeting is, but that is probably irrelevant. You might save a few pesos by asking your hotel of choice what their fee would be....then bargain from there. X

Matius
02-23-10, 04:31
i do have a trip planned to ac in april.

but, after reading this site and another, i am rethinking.

a fair share of post are regarding rip offs, over prices drinks, police raids, **** girls, scams, poor performances in the bedroom, dirty conditons, poor infratructure, lousy food, i can go on and on.

i think maybe some just must be pissed and are posting just to get their frustration out. that is ok, but i am trying to figure out if there is a true upside to this place.

i am sure the angels in heaven complain there are too many clouds also. if you review all the boards, for the philippines, if you review the boards here for thailand, brazil, colombia, etc, you will find all full of negatives. the nature of man perhaps.

a rip off in a bar will cost you $2 u,s., that is what most are describing, in cost of ladies drinks. overpriced drinks will cost you the difference between 50 peso and 90 peso, that is the difference in prices between bars and amounts to less than $1. the police raids, few that occur are against the bar owners, not the customers, they hardly ever take the customers unless you are standing in the middle of the bar, with your pants at your ankles getting a blow job (that is also possible here). if you barfine in the bar, you will not have a problem with **** girls, the girl is licensed and if she is by some chance ****, its the bar's responsibility, not the customers. scams occur on the streets with street people, dont' engage them and you can't be scammed. poor performance in the bedroom can happen with any girl in any country, paid or not paid and is generally in the eye of the beholder. there are so many girls that the occasional bad performance does not matter, just move on, find what you like. yes, it is dirty here, people come for the girls, there is little other than that. the nicer the hotel, the better you will like it, like anywhere. most bars are nicely done, whatever is outside is forgotten once inside. you don't need infrastructure here, its either in the bar or hotel, the only pain is the trip from manila to ac, just due to traffic. the food is not bad here, its just not gourmet. its good basic food. there are a couple of restaurants that serve a nice spread for a few more dollars, but in general there is nothing wrong with the food here.

most who post on this board are experienced mongers and often very experienced visitors to ac. they are arguing minutia among themselves, in the mongering hobby, perhaps the difference between wine expert and a guy like me who orders wine with dinner. so they go on at times about what could be improved or what they don't like about a bar. hungry for news of ac, they talk about a police raid or an occasional scam. they also discuss endlessly at times, saving a dollar here or there, but often because they do so much travel here, they do have to maintain some semblence of a budget, get the most bang for the buck.

the questions to ask yourself are as follows: 1) do you like girls, in particular the look of filipina girls? 2) are you coming here to monger versus some type of scenic tour? 3) can you afford to spend approx. $100 to $150 per day on food, girls and drink? if the answer to these questions are yes, you will have an excellent time here. now for the no questions: 1) do you plan to search for **** girls? 2) are you interested in drugs? 3) when you get drunk, or in general are you a basically aggressive individual or have a generally bad attitude with people? in short, do you like to look for trouble? if the answer to these questions is no, then you will not have to worry about getting into trouble here.

ac has an immense number of girls, for the most part they are willing and friendly. as with anywhere, if your tastes are somewhat unusual, then you will have to search a little more for what you want, but can find it. meaning not every girl is a three holer, some don't want or not very good at bj, threesomes and more take a little arranging and a little luck, some may be shy to camera's and toys, that sort of thing.

read some of the stories from the first time travellers, think there is one in the last couple of days in this thread. some positive and some negatives, but overall most are satisfied.

Hoboken56
02-23-10, 04:38
Over priced drinks? The most expensive ladies drinks are 300P. Just tell the waitress that you will buy the girl a single, which should be 100 to 150P. Do the math.For regular ladies drink, ~150P, the girl gets 50 commission. Watch out when they order a San Mig lite, that counts as a double at 280-300P, of which the girl then gets 140-150. Guess which one they'll try for? Just tell the girl or the waitress you'll buy a SINGLE, and that's that. Avoid the guzzlers.


Lousy food? Some truth in this to be sure. But on this trip I took the time to figure out which local food is edible and healthy. You can eat well if you make an effort.

Raznever bothered with McDonald's back home, but here, with Jollibee, those are two of the refuge from over salted Philippines s**t. Take a look at the over 30 ladies; they've all become rolly pollys from water retention.

Oh yeah, get the roasted chicken that vendors sell all over Fields. Just buy one for 160P and eat-in at the hotel with your date.

Betong
02-23-10, 04:40
A guy can have a great time there or a truly lousy time; it's up to him. It's what you make it.So true, more than any other place I know in Asia. The point-and-shag approach just doesn't work here. The girls want to have fun, and if you give them a bit of it they'll show you a great time.

Physically the place is still a shithole, but food and accommodations have improved enormously over the past five or ten years. The bars overall may not be quite as good as they used to be, but at any given time it's not hard to find at least a dozen or so that still have good girls and good attitudes.

I can understand how the place isn't for everyone, and that's OK. Get a taste for it though, and it's easy to get hooked.

Matius
02-23-10, 04:56
You are just wrong. There is no way the AVERAGE for these girls is 2 to 3 barfines a week. If you tripled the number of tourist who go there they could not barfine all these girls 2 to 3 times in a week. Alantis alone has close to 300 girls on one shift with 3 shifts of girls. If 20 are barfined in any one night that would be a good night. Crystal palace almost the same, Dollhouse the same, Pony tails around 150 girls each shift. The average girl is lucky to get bar fined period in a week. Are there some who get 2 and 3 barfines in a week. Sure but the majority of girls do NOT. Only those exceptional beauties. And when you talk about bars that have a lot of girls but are not glitsy. Like Lancelot, Champagne, and all the bar in upper perimeter. Lost in Asia. Where the same 4 or 5 girls get bar fined.

That is one of the misconception of a lot of guys. Just because you ask the beauty you are with. How often she is barfined doesn't mean that is most girls.

During the week days AC has considerably less numbers of tourist. So it is impossible everygirl or even 1/2 the girls in AC get even 1 barfine each week. There just isn't that many guys, including expat that live there. Especially since alot of them don't barfine and have wive and just Drinkers now with the occasional on the side ST. But nothing like a tourist. Your numbers are just way off.

The reason why most of these girls don't have jobs in the Mall is because they don't qualify. You have to be either a college grad, in college or one of the brightest students in your school to land a job in the PI. Thats even at Jolliebees. Most of the girls in fields came from poor families, a lot dropped out of school, did poorly in school, or couldn't afford to go to college.

Besides a lot come from remote areas where there are no malls. They can't just fly 2 islands over put in an application. Stay in a hotel to wait to see if they get the job. And then what? Where do they live. How do they eat waiting to see if they got the job?. You have to remember how poor the families are that these girls come from.

Ok, then one point being made, from the original discussion I contributed to, is that the girls are choosing to be in the business and not being conned into it. That they make more money in the business, than the meager alternatives, but still a choice, no? Another point you are making is that there are a huge number of girls here, far more than the customers can consume, ready and willing to be available for someone? That the girls that are available, unlike the brothels in other countries, are not all f..cked out, and in many cases quite fresh? Further, that the difference between a girl one might pick up in the mall (as a reference) is no different than a girl in the bar (except for education)?

Ultimately the primary point might be that there are thousands of willing young fresh girls to entertain all the guests who might be coming to Angeles, showing them the time of their life? That the selection is huge, that the volume of bars are huge and everyone is willing to have a good time.

X Man
02-23-10, 12:18
Hilarious. Thank you for the over extended politeness ... sarcasm noted.

Pseudo experts like me are often criticized by the likes of D'etat or JackoffSheet, maybe they'll answer your questions. Don't hold your breath.

I personally like to help out newbies if I think they are worth it. After about five years at ISG, I have a pretty good feel for those who are worth it and those who aren't.

Normad, my friend, I suspect you are a ISG vampire. You'll suck up any information you can, but give nothing in return. After all, you didn't answer my simple questions which would have made it easier to answer your questions.

What was your question again? No wait, let me quote just in case anyone is chomping at the bit to help you out....

NORMAND:My situation:

I am scheduled to attend a meeting in Manila on 13 May 2010. As I will be flying in from Malaysia (AirAsia), I want to stay at Angeles and commute (day trip) to Manila (InterContinental Hotel) for the meeting.

My question are:

(1) as I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue and back?

(2) is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

normad2020



Thank you for your kind response to my queries.

I acknowledged that I am a bit slow in digesting the vast amount of information posted on this forum. But then again as with my other trips to other mongering destinations (where I am going for the first or numerous times), I will normally make it a point to read as much as possible from ISG.

Sometime given my limited imagination span (and possibly IQ???), it is harder to join the "dots" together just from reading the many posts. I decided to politely asked for information on this forum in the hope that "experts" who have been in Manila and Angeles for many years and have made thousands of posting might extend a helping hand to another fellow forum members, so that I may planned my trip properly and hopefully to avoid as many "pitfalls" as possible for my virgin trip there.

I hope that I may yet find a kind and generous "expert" on the Manila and Angeles scene to show me that there is indeed "a light at the end of the tunnel" for a first-timer to The Philippines.

I thank you in advance.

Cheers
normad2020

Towelboy2010
02-24-10, 04:51
I do have a trip planned to AC in April.
But, after reading this site and another, I am rethinking.


I say go to Angeles. There is no other place quite like it. I have been there 4 times since 2006. I am 54, jolly, don't get sloppy drunk and just try to be congenial.
I have never experienced a single problem in Angeles.

I usually end up with a couple of girls thru a whole night. Always have a good time and never refused anything.

Enjoy it, Bob

Normad2020
02-24-10, 06:18
X-Man, thanks for your prompt reply.

Granted I have not contributed in The Philippines forum as I have never been there. I have contributed some reports in the Thailand, Malaysian and Indonesian forum, if that is of any help.

As for Vampire (bats), I admire them for what they are...another species in the ever growing / reducing food chain....

If I have started on the wrong footing with you, please accept my apology.

My main purpose here is to gather information so that I may have a more enjoyable vacation visiting the various destination of "interest". My other purpose is to share what I have experienced from such "excursion" (in the forum), and the value of these reports are determined by the readers as it will definitely not suit each and everyone of the members here.

So can we start over......

Hi there, my name is normad and I am a newbie to The Philippines forum. I hope to be able to contribute (once I have had my "adventure" in The Philippines.) In the meantime, I need some help with regards to the following situation:

(1) I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week - mid-May 2010) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue (InterContinental Hotel, Manila) and back (day trip)?

(2) Is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

(3) I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

Thank in advance for your kind guidance.

Cheers
normad2020










Hilarious. Thank you for the over extended politeness ... sarcasm noted.

Pseudo experts like me are often criticized by the likes of D'etat or JackoffSheet, maybe they'll answer your questions. Don't hold your breath.

I personally like to help out newbies if I think they are worth it. After about five years at ISG, I have a pretty good feel for those who are worth it and those who aren't.

Normad, my friend, I suspect you are a ISG vampire. You'll suck up any information you can, but give nothing in return. After all, you didn't answer my simple questions which would have made it easier to answer your questions.

What was your question again? No wait, let me quote just in case anyone is chomping at the bit to help you out....

NORMAND:My situation:

I am scheduled to attend a meeting in Manila on 13 May 2010. As I will be flying in from Malaysia (AirAsia), I want to stay at Angeles and commute (day trip) to Manila (InterContinental Hotel) for the meeting.

My question are:

(1) as I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue and back?

(2) is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

normad2020

Cebu Steve
02-24-10, 06:36
poopbunny, rob w., white whale, fast eddie and any others, first thanks very much for your replies. i thought that i probably had identified all of the flight options into clark, but wanted to make sure since some of the local airlines are pretty small. seems that air asia and zest air both recently canceled service into clark.

quick correction to one of your comments pb, cebu pacific actually does have a transfer desk airside at hk. that is unless they have eliminated that service within the past 6 months. i have flown from hk to manila several times over the past 4 years, usually on cp, most recently on philippine airlines. both cp and pa have transfer desks operated by the same contract agents that do the check in area and gate control. (i think it's menzies aviation). so, you can fly into hk and just transit hk if continuing on to the phils via cp or pa (without clearing hk customs and immigration).

my flight gets into hk at 17:30, so the macau 21:40 flight is my only option. as macau is a pretty small airport, do you think this would work:
- 17:30 flight lands from us
- 19:00 ferry hk skypier to macau (allows 90 minutes for flight delay, 1 luggage to be transferred from plane to ferry, check in, ect)
- 20:00 arrive macau (do i really need to clear immigration at macau, or can i proceed directly to the airport as a transit passenger, not staying in macau)?
- 20:30 depart macau ferry terminal (assume 30 minutes to clear immigration)
- 20:45 arrive macau airport by taxi from ferry terminal
- how long will it take me to get into a cp check in line? i'm thinking macau airport is small and not so busy, is this reasonable?
- if anyone has flown on cp departing from macau to clark, how strict are the contract staff on closing the flight (and not allowing any more check in at exactly 45 minutes before scheduled departure)? since my schedule is a bit tight, this is more important than i'd like.

i was hoping to find a way to make my first visit to ac, but since i only have 2 free nights this trip, if the macau to clark option doesn't work, i'm probably just flying into manila arriving around midnight and staying in manila those 2 nights.

thanks again!!
cs




unless your flight arrives in hk early in the morning, the hk morning flight will be difficult. you have to collect your luggage, go through customs and immigration and exit to the landside to check into the clark flight as cebu has no transfer desk on the airside of the airport.

this leaves the macau option. it is possible to transfer to the macau ferry from hkia airside. the ferry runs every hour and the journey from hkia to macau is about 1 hour (cost about hk$235 ish). then allow about 30 mins to clear macau immigration. at macau ferry terminal building, you can take a taxi directly to the macau international airport (about 10 mins away) cost about mop 60 (maybe a little more with luggage, hk$ also accepted at the same value as mop). if you have a bit extra time, you can save the mop 60 cab fare by taking a free courtesy shuttle bus to the venetian (you don't need to be staying there to use this free bus). once at venetian, you can take another free bus from venetian to macau airport (or if you have no luggage, the airport is probably only a 15 min walk from the venetian). from memory, there is a bit of walking between the venetian bus from macau ferry terminal building to the airport venetian bus. although they are in the same hotel/casino the drop off pick up between courtesy ferry bus and airport bus are from different entrances and the venetian is huge (5-10mins walk). you have to wheel you luggage through the casino floor which is allowed, as everyone uses the same route to get to their rooms.

prepare yourself for some credit card woes if booking with cebu pacific. you may need to use one of their travel agents and wire money to them. i read somewhere only an estimated 10 - 20% of overseas credit cards work for cebu.

if time is of essence, it is better and cheaper you travel from hkia to macau and then clark if you can't take the hk flight. if you take the late flight into manila, you will arrive in manila too late, miss the cheap swagman bus, and the taxi costs between manila and ac is much more than the ferry costs between hkia and macau. and once in manila, add 2 more hours to get to ac. by the time you check into your hotel, all the hotties would have already been bf by either me, ekspat, hesekiels, rob, xman or etc...

good luck

X Man
02-24-10, 07:38
Search for 'Fly the bus/Swagman Hotel' and 'Southern cross hotel'. These are private bus services with set schedules. Into Manila they will take you to Ermita and from there you'll have to take a taxi to your hotel in Makati.

I don't know of any bus service that will drop you off at the hotel in Manila.

Of course you could also take the local buses. Very cheap and they run regularly. I know there is one bus station on EDSA, not to far from Makati.

Traffic jams can be horrendous in Manila.

I don't think this is a good use of your time, but I assume you have a reason for wanting to do this. Sorry for being of little help. X





(1) I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week - mid-May 2010) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue (InterContinental Hotel, Manila) and back (day trip)?

(2) Is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

(3) I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

Thank in advance for your kind guidance.

Cheers
normad2020

Normad2020
02-24-10, 09:17
Thanks Mate for the information. Much appreciated.

I will look through the suggested bus services.

Looking forward to my first trip to The Philippines.

Cheers
normad2020




Search for 'Fly the bus/Swagman Hotel' and 'Southern cross hotel'. These are private bus services with set schedules. Into Manila they will take you to Ermita and from there you'll have to take a taxi to your hotel in Makati.

I don't know of any bus service that will drop you off at the hotel in Manila.

Of course you could also take the local buses. Very cheap and they run regularly. I know there is one bus station on EDSA, not to far from Makati.

Traffic jams can be horrendous in Manila.

I don't think this is a good use of your time, but I assume you have a reason for wanting to do this. Sorry for being of little help. X

Poopbunny
02-24-10, 11:27
i remember taking a clark - macau with tiger airways that is now cancelled. don't know why as i remember that flight being full.

i tried to transfer to cp after arriving hkia really early in the morning. this was more than 6 months ago. i was told i could not. maybe they were not open so early in the morning or the service was not available then.

i'm pretty sure you will need to clear immigration at macau if arriving by ferry to get to the airport.

you have about 6 hours between hkia and macau airport, unless your inbound hkia flight is severely delayed, i believe that is more than ample time.

you will probably find that at 1 hour from check in, the queue will be pretty short by then. its probably cps only flight from macau at that time.



poopbunny, rob w., white whale, fast eddie and any others, first thanks very much for your replies. i thought that i probably had identified all of the flight options into clark, but wanted to make sure since some of the local airlines are pretty small. seems that air asia and zest air both recently canceled service into clark.

quick correction to one of your comments pb, cebu pacific actually does have a transfer desk airside at hk. that is unless they have eliminated that service within the past 6 months. i have flown from hk to manila several times over the past 4 years, usually on cp, most recently on philippine airlines. both cp and pa have transfer desks operated by the same contract agents that do the check in area and gate control. (i think it's menzies aviation). so, you can fly into hk and just transit hk if continuing on to the phils via cp or pa (without clearing hk customs and immigration).

my flight gets into hk at 17:30, so the macau 21:40 flight is my only option. as macau is a pretty small airport, do you think this would work:
- 17:30 flight lands from us
- 19:00 ferry hk skypier to macau (allows 90 minutes for flight delay, 1 luggage to be transferred from plane to ferry, check in, ect)
- 20:00 arrive macau (do i really need to clear immigration at macau, or can i proceed directly to the airport as a transit passenger, not staying in macau)?
- 20:30 depart macau ferry terminal (assume 30 minutes to clear immigration)
- 20:45 arrive macau airport by taxi from ferry terminal
- how long will it take me to get into a cp check in line? i'm thinking macau airport is small and not so busy, is this reasonable?
- if anyone has flown on cp departing from macau to clark, how strict are the contract staff on closing the flight (and not allowing any more check in at exactly 45 minutes before scheduled departure)? since my schedule is a bit tight, this is more important than i'd like.

i was hoping to find a way to make my first visit to ac, but since i only have 2 free nights this trip, if the macau to clark option doesn't work, i'm probably just flying into manila arriving around midnight and staying in manila those 2 nights.

thanks again!!
cs

Betong
02-24-10, 16:59
i remember taking a clark - macau with tiger airways that is now cancelled. don't know why as i remember that flight being full.hong kong - clark on air asia was also usually full -- every pinay maid in hk used it -- but that didn't stop them from cancelling it. basically they have a limited number of aircraft, and naturally try to use them in a way that maximizes profits. due to fixed costs, the longer the flight, the more they make. and hk/macau - clark is just too short a flight.

Ekspat
02-25-10, 06:54
Due to fixed costs, the longer the flight, the more they make. And HK/Macau - Clark is just too short a flight.
I dont think so. IMO the shorter the flight the more they make.
Or why do the LCC avoid long haul flights?
Short flights with fast turnarounds lead to more sold tix.

Cheers!

Rob Woodrow
02-25-10, 08:36
I'm going to disagree with PB and say that no, this doesn't sound like such a viable option.

If you have any check-in luggage, Turbojet will not let you buy a ticket for a ferry less than one hour in advance (because they have to claim and reload your luggage onto the ferry). This means you will need to be at the Turbojet counter before 18:00. So if your flight is delayed 30 minutes, you lose an entire hour. You don't even have to be delayed that much; a 15 minute delay and a slow disembarkment from the plane will put you at the Turbojet counter after 18:00. Turbojet also only takes HKD, so unless you have some HKD ready, you'll need to change some money too. I always paid cash, but they might take credit cards.

You really only have about 3 hours to get from point A to point B (before CP closes check-in). Too much could go wrong here.

I'd ask myself a) How reliable is the airline I'm flying in on? b) How reliable is CP?

I don't know about (a) but I do know that CP is extremely unreliable, as PB noted below. They've even been known to cancel flights. So everything could go perfectly in your plan, and yet you could show up to the Macau airport and not have a flight.

Let me throw another option at you: have you considered just staying in Macau those 2 nights? It's a great place to monger. Beautiful gals from all over the world. It's expensive, but for only 2 nights it's probably not much more expensive than flying to Manila and mongering would be, and without the added hassle.


...My flight gets into HK at 17:30, so the Macau 21:40 flight is my only option. As Macau is a pretty small airport, do you think this would work:
- 17:30 flight lands from US
- 19:00 ferry HK skypier to Macau (allows 90 minutes for flight delay, 1 luggage to be transferred from plane to ferry, check in, ect)
- 20:00 arrive Macau (do I really need to clear immigration at Macau, or can I proceed directly to the airport as a transit passenger, not staying in Macau)?
- 20:30 depart Macau ferry terminal (assume 30 minutes to clear immigration)
- 20:45 arrive Macau airport by taxi from ferry terminal
- How long will it take me to get into a CP check in line? I'm thinking Macau airport is small and not so busy, is this reasonable?
- If anyone has flown on CP departing from Macau to Clark, how strict are the contract staff on closing the flight (and not allowing any more check in at exactly 45 minutes before scheduled departure)? Since my schedule is a bit tight, this is more important than I'd like.

I was hoping to find a way to make my first visit to AC, but since I only have 2 free nights this trip, if the Macau to Clark option doesn't work, I'm probably just flying into Manila arriving around midnight and staying in Manila those 2 nights.

Thanks again!!
CS

Fast Eddie 48
02-25-10, 09:11
i remember taking a clark - macau with tiger airways that is now cancelled. don't know why as i remember that flight being full.

i tried to transfer to cp after arriving hkia really early in the morning. this was more than 6 months ago. i was told i could not. maybe they were not open so early in the morning or the service was not available then.

i'm pretty sure you will need to clear immigration at macau if arriving by ferry to get to the airport.

you have about 6 hours between hkia and macau airport, unless your inbound hkia flight is severely delayed, i believe that is more than ample time.

you will probably find that at 1 hour from check in, the queue will be pretty short by then. its probably cps only flight from macau at that time.pop / cebu,

i am in angeles now cheak with travel agents here, zest are not flying the clark-to-macau route until june, so cebu pacific and air macau and they are both charge over 4000 peso one way no discount at all.

fast eddie 48

Poopbunny
02-25-10, 11:50
Turbojet takes all credit cards including American Express charge cards.

I agree with Rob that 2 nights is really a bit short. Is there anyway you can take more days off and leave a day or 2 earlier? Sort of like driving a really long way just to have 1 scoop of your favourite ice cream.

I don't think CP would cancel any Macau - Clark flight. This is one of their cash cow legs and flights are nearly always full. Macau service industry is quite heavily staffed with Pinoys and there is also HK nearby for many who cannot make the morning HK flight like you.

No doubt Macau has plenty of very attractive girls so does Hong Kong, but they are likely to give you that same sterile non GFE service you find back home and like Rob pointed out, expensive. Sort of like a nearby expensive fancy restaurant where the food looks good but not always that tasty.





I'm going to disagree with PB and say that no, this doesn't sound like such a viable option.

If you have any check-in luggage, Turbojet will not let you buy a ticket for a ferry less than one hour in advance (because they have to claim and reload your luggage onto the ferry). This means you will need to be at the Turbojet counter before 18:00. So if your flight is delayed 30 minutes, you lose an entire hour. You don't even have to be delayed that much; a 15 minute delay and a slow disembarkment from the plane will put you at the Turbojet counter after 18:00. Turbojet also only takes HKD, so unless you have some HKD ready, you'll need to change some money too. I always paid cash, but they might take credit cards.

You really only have about 3 hours to get from point A to point B (before CP closes check-in). Too much could go wrong here.

I'd ask myself a) How reliable is the airline I'm flying in on? b) How reliable is CP?

I don't know about (a) but I do know that CP is extremely unreliable, as PB noted below. They've even been known to cancel flights. So everything could go perfectly in your plan, and yet you could show up to the Macau airport and not have a flight.

Let me throw another option at you: have you considered just staying in Macau those 2 nights? It's a great place to monger. Beautiful gals from all over the world. It's expensive, but for only 2 nights it's probably not much more expensive than flying to Manila and mongering would be, and without the added hassle.

Betong
02-25-10, 14:38
I dont think so. IMO the shorter the flight the more they make.Well it's more complex than just flight length -- it has to do with the whole way a flight ties into the overall schedule, fuel prices, airport charges, competing flights etc. But when Air Asia cancelled flights to my town (just an hour flight from KL) the word was that they were reassigning the aircraft capacity to 2-3 hour flights, which may be about the sweet spot for profitability under their business model.

Anyhow the lesson is never take these budget flights for granted, because they come and go without warning!

Henio
02-25-10, 19:36
...i don't think cp would cancel any macau - clark flight..... they have done so in the past and will probably also do so in the future. my macau-clark flight last november was canceled and they rebooked me on the next flight. one of the problem is that their email indicating the change has some fucked up heading and you may think it is a spam and not notice the change. friend of mine had that happen when they canceled his singapore-clark flight and he ended up stranded in singapore and had to shell out 5 times the original amount to get to manila with another airline and then try to negotiate a taxi to ac in the middle of night.

Poopbunny
02-25-10, 20:39
Just curious. How many days notice did you get of the cancellation?



My Macau-Clark flight last November was canceled and they rebooked me on the next flight. One of the problem is that their email indicating the change has some fucked up heading and you may think it is a spam and not notice the change.

Poopbunny
02-25-10, 20:51
Found this.


Cebu Pacific
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightRating/flightRatingByCarrier.do?airlineCode=5J

Air Asia
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightRating/flightRatingByCarrier.do?airline=%28AK%29&x=43&y=7

Tiger
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightRating/flightRatingByCarrier.do;jsessionid=2037C8BCC17376156AF74F74046EF618.web1:8009?airline=%28TR%29+Tiger+Airways&x=31&y=2


Philippine Airlines
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightRating/flightRatingByCarrier.do?airline=%28PR%29+Philippine+Airlines&x=35&y=10

Rob Woodrow
02-26-10, 06:54
no doubt macau has plenty of very attractive girls so does hong kong, but they are likely to give you that same sterile non gfe service you find back home and like rob pointed out, expensive. sort of like a nearby expensive fancy restaurant where the food looks good but not always that tasty.
i've heard that about the girls at lisboa, but i've always gotten great fake enthusiasm from the sauna girls at darling (or darling 2, whichever is closest to the ferry terminal) and two other places whose names i can't remember. it helps that i speak a little mandarin. but even the vietnamese girl i took was fun to be with.

Jan 156
02-26-10, 10:35
Errm not sure how this is in a PHP thread but yes, I've had excellent service in Hong Kong, especially Kowloon, the night Market and the yellow sign establishments. I've had a great time in Manila, Subic and Angeles, but prefer HK to PHP in many ways.

Jan 156
02-26-10, 15:46
It's a one night stopover so I'd rather pay extra than risk a screw up. My stomach can't cope with food yet after the hotel stomach-cramp sandwich (euphemistically entitled 'a cheeseburger'), so I make my peace with large amounts of water and head on down to Blue Nile to catch the early birds.

It's just before seven. I want to attract attention, so am better dressed than the unmade-bed guys hanging around. I order a drink for the best looker I can see simply as bait. As soon as the mamasan has started wondering about my game I buy her a drink too. While keeping muff-bait happy on one side, I explain my requirements to Mama Mamasan: good looking girl, nice body and nice personality, good in bed, short time for 3 or 4 hours (I'm thinking 2 to 3 but want some leeway) and she'll get a tip if she's good.

Within minutes, Mamasan has introduced me to a shy good looker. She asks for a posh drink, and I tell her that Mamasan gets a posh drink cos she's Mamasan. Anyone else gets a ladydrink (ie, establish that I am spending money but not being dumbass about it, make her work for it - similarly take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of a waitress pestering me for a tip - I apologise for giving her 15p and fish out a 1p from my pocket. Nice laugh and she f*cks off and leaves me in peace. Mamasan's choice is ace. Hotel reception look suitably impressed and deferential. She is a tall, slim, Pampanga girl, 22yrs old, and moves like she was in the movies in a previous lifetime. She also looks impressed with the nice bed (one of the very few things Swiss Chatet hasn't screwed up). The bed, unlike the ornate sofa, is raised, which I hope makes it less accessible than the cushions from under which a rather large roach* later sprang.

Fortunately my Blue Nile girl knows how to be a Lopez-like seductress without any of that 'sit down for a prim drink' routine. (which is good, as the Swiss Chalet glasses in this 'luxury suite' look like they've fermented false teeth for a few weeks rather than seen sparkling wine). She doesn't even need to go to the toilet - which is great as the flush mechanism doesn't work properly and so needs considerable force to make anything disappear.

Half an hour of good foreplay, about an hour of sex, and half an hour chitchat before taking her back to Blue Nile so she can show off. By 10.15 I'm tucking into some decent food and still have the rest of the night to play.


[food: I quite strongly recommend the food counter in the street off Fields near Angel Witch. A lot of discerning local girls eat there and it's easy to see why. The chef has a passion for food. His veg are all cut with that fancy Thai edging and cooking to al dente perfection. And whatever you order costs a fraction of what the hotels charge for a pale imitation of the same dish. If you're unsure about the menu, ask your chica, or look what others are eating, or just order something vaguely familiar-sounding like yakisoba or chop suey. ]

*technically, I'm not sure it was a cockroach - maybe some other local beetle. I didn't ask it to stand still for a detailed check.

Henio
02-26-10, 19:19
just curious. how many days notice did you get of the cancellation?
in my case it was something like couple of weeks. in my friends case it was something similar, but he took the email as just another ad-spam from cp since they send those quite often hence his problem in singapore when he arrived to the canceled flight.

Escort Fan
02-27-10, 04:04
Came to angeles last night.

Used the southern cross bus, much better than swagman's. Modern & cleaner. Met some friendly blokes in the bus who are probably reading those lines:)

Had so much trouble to book a room, WTF is going on, no crisis or what?:)

ABC full, Pacific Breeze full, Valentino's full, Lewis Grande full, etc.

Ended up taking the last room at the Orange Lion. It's clean, but it's already worn out despite being 5 or 6 years old! What a crappy construction!

The walls are already very deteriorated.

Oh well, guess you can't ask too much for 2400 pesos.

Went to barhoop around 8PM, tried those new bars shooters and co. Near the mac donalds, also tried club Asia.

Very few clients, (which is odd are hotels are full.) and also girls seems to be brain dead, they dance without convinction, seems to be bored to death and hardly notice anyone looking at them.

That's nuts compared to burgos where girls are much more business orientated.

As I'm not going to beg a girl to talk to me or even get the mamasan to get her off her podium to grab a drink with me, I decided to go to bed alone.

Seriously, I had the pesos, I was reasonly horny. There is a serious problem here, nobody seems to want to earn their pesos:)

Will hunt today for an hotel room. And hopefully will have more luck for my last angeles night.

Jan 156
02-27-10, 05:08
Just departing - exit tax is now 600pesos (hotel got it wrong). Free wifi in departure lounge.

Rob Woodrow
02-27-10, 07:34
It's just before seven. I want to attract attention...
You did that by offering to tip for a short time.

Had so much trouble to book a room, WTF is going on, no crisis or what?:)

ABC full, Pacific Breeze full, Valentino's full, Lewis Grande full, etc...
Several of those are extremely popular hotels and will be the first ones to fill up.

Matius
02-28-10, 03:41
.....It's just before seven. I want to attract attention, so am better dressed than the unmade-bed guys hanging around. I order a drink for the best looker I can see simply as bait. As soon as the mamasan has started wondering about my game I buy her a drink too. While keeping muff-bait happy on one side, I explain my requirements to Mama Mamasan: good looking girl, nice body and nice personality, good in bed, short time for 3 or 4 hours (I'm thinking 2 to 3 but want some leeway) and she'll get a tip if she's good.

Within minutes, Mamasan has introduced me to a shy good looker. She asks for a posh drink, and I tell her that Mamasan gets a posh drink cos she's Mamasan. Anyone else gets a ladydrink (ie, establish that I am spending money but not being dumbass about it, make her work for it - similarly take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of a waitress pestering me for a tip - I apologise for giving her 15p and fish out a 1p from my pocket. Nice laugh and she f*cks off and leaves me in peace. Mamasan's choice is ace......

Mate, my hat is off to you. Such a great approach I will remember and use it myself. You got everything you wanted, kept everyone smiling, did not spend a fortune and had a great evening. Everyone can get what they want in this town, if they can just take a step back like you did and figure a game plan first. Congratulations.

Jan 156
02-28-10, 07:25
You did that by offering to tip for a short time.

Not quite. I only did that *after* the mamasan came over.

Jan 156
02-28-10, 07:27
Wake at 6am and realise my flight and Singapore later today are still a long way away. Nip round the corner from Swiss Shatty Hotel to check out old blow row.*

1. I picked up a girl from here earlier in the week. Early twenties, pretty face, nice personality. But when she stripped off, the sight was a bit scary. Belly and breasts exceedingly unattractive. They must have enormous babies, delivered using Caesarean section with garden shears. She was almost unstoppably enthusiastic, but I grabbed my goolies protectively and made a polite excuse.

2. Last night here, and an early stroll after taking my 'posh shag' back to Blue Nile for a drink. There's only one really attractive girl on blow row I can see and, surprise, surprise, she's a cherry girl. 19yrs old. She offers me 'cherry blow job' but I'm more in an all-or-nothing mood and let her pass. Plus, personally, I would want more than an 'entertainment license' ID and don't know if it is really worth the hassle. **

3. By 6am I am as horny as Satan on hot chimichangas. I'll proposition cherry girl with a 'you bj me, I bj you' offer and insist on real ID to cover my ass. But I get there and she's showered and changed ready for home, and she's looking distinctly less keen. But there's a girl with a smile that gives me a hard-on, and she's trying to escape the pawing of a guy who looks like he survived Apocalypse Now. I ignore the 'HaveeDrinkeeSir' girls and say no, I don't wantee drink, seat, or 'WhereYouFrom???' game, thank you. very salamat. I motion to Smiley Girl, pay my 700 barfine, and set my phone alarm so I won't miss my airport transfer. She has a few stretch marks, but very fine mammaries, and smells hot. The kind of down & dirty smell I like on my fingers (rather than in my mouth). (btw, Do girls here think it's unhygeinic to wash inside their fannyparts, or is it not something you do once you're born again to jesus?)

It's very hot sweaty sex. No polished performance, just nice hot lust and thighs full of energy. She draws the line at a butt-f**k, but my alarm's going anyway and I've had a good value session. Just time for a quick shower before the airport transfer. :) * * *

Fast Eddie 48
03-01-10, 03:01
Wake at 6am and realise my flight and Singapore later today are still a long way away. Nip round the corner from Swiss Shatty Hotel to check out old blow row.*

1. I picked up a girl from here earlier in the week. Early twenties, pretty face, nice personality. But when she stripped off, the sight was a bit scary. Belly and breasts exceedingly unattractive. They must have enormous babies, delivered using Caesarean section with garden shears. She was almost unstoppably enthusiastic, but I grabbed my goolies protectively and made a polite excuse.

2. Last night here, and an early stroll after taking my 'posh shag' back to Blue Nile for a drink. There's only one really attractive girl on blow row I can see and, surprise, surprise, she's a cherry girl. 19yrs old. She offers me 'cherry blow job' but I'm more in an all-or-nothing mood and let her pass. Plus, personally, I would want more than an 'entertainment license' ID and don't know if it is really worth the hassle. **

3. By 6am I am as horny as Satan on hot chimichangas. I'll proposition cherry girl with a 'you bj me, I bj you' offer and insist on real ID to cover my ass. But I get there and she's showered and changed ready for home, and she's looking distinctly less keen. But there's a girl with a smile that gives me a hard-on, and she's trying to escape the pawing of a guy who looks like he survived Apocalypse Now. I ignore the 'HaveeDrinkeeSir' girls and say no, I don't wantee drink, seat, or 'WhereYouFrom???' game, thank you. very salamat. I motion to Smiley Girl, pay my 700 barfine, and set my phone alarm so I won't miss my airport transfer. She has a few stretch marks, but very fine mammaries, and smells hot. The kind of down & dirty smell I like on my fingers (rather than in my mouth). (btw, Do girls here think it's unhygeinic to wash inside their fannyparts, or is it not something you do once you're born again to jesus?)

It's very hot sweaty sex. No polished performance, just nice hot lust and thighs full of energy. She draws the line at a butt-f**k, but my alarm's going anyway and I've had a good value session. Just time for a quick shower before the airport transfer. :) * * *Chris,

I also have a nice girl from the Honky tonk bar across from the wild orchild ,her name is christine I was surprise she is very pretty your don't normally see hot girl like this here,take her back to central park for mount her for 45 min very tight and bbbj is good ST for 700 peso ,can barfined her for all night after mid night for 1200 peso.

Fast eddie 48

Yella Man
03-01-10, 09:05
Day 17: After a long ride from Batangas Port to AC (cost Peso 3000 for private car) my buddy and I checked into the Lewis Grand hotel and met up with two more friends who had flown in from the States. Room rate at Lewis was $69 per night, but I think it has gone up to $75 just recently. The hotel has all the amenities you could want and a friendly, helpful staff. The one draw back is the amount of time it takes for the water to get hot when you turn on the shower; as long as ten minutes sometimes. After a quick shower we all head down to the Black Pearl, my favorite BJ bar on Santos Street, to get a good suck before starting the evening. Upon arrival I noticed that the looks of the all the talent poor; somewhere in the 2-3 range. I passed on the BJ and went bar hopping with my friends instead. I passed on BF’ing a girl that night and chose to return to my hotel alone to get some sleep. I had plenty days left for BF’ing a girl.

Day 18 started with some breakfast and a trip to AC1 gym on Friendship highway. It has enough free-weights and machines to keep a fitness buff happy, but no cardio machines like elliptical or treadmills that are worth a damn. The ones that they have can’t be used for running, only walking. The Air conditioner keeps the place cool for a comfortable workout. All in all not a bad gym for the pinas.

After a good workout and a shower I sit at the bar in the Lewis and have a few drinks with my friends. Evening arrives and I head back to the Black Pearl to see what the talent looks like. Nasty! The black Pearl has some real dogs now. I walk a little further down Santos street to the Honky Tonk club. The difference in quality is astounding! I sit at the bar and order a beer and strike up a conversation with mamasan. I ask her if any of her girls can deep throat a cock. She says, “sure, I have a girl who can deep throat and I have a girl who can fuck in the ass! Which do you want?” I laugh at this and tell her I have never had a girl deep throat me yet. I even bet her that her girl can’t do it and tell her I will buy every girl and her a drink if her girl can take me to the root. So mamasan calls girl #13 over. She’s very small, thin and not too bad looking. Mama says something to her in Tagalog and the girl immediately turns to me and says are you ready to go? I tell her there’s no way she’s gonna deep throat me. She reaches over, slides her hands down the front of my pants, and claims she can do it.

700 Pesos later I’m in the back room laying on the bed while girl #13 tries to gobble my shit to the root. In the process, she catches some of my foreskin in a gap between her teeth on one of her down-strokes and puts me in excruciating pain. I almost quit right then. She apologizes profusely and continues to work my root, but catches my skin again several strokes later. At this point I’m done with her attempting to deep throat my root. She wants to continue but I stop her, dress and go sit back at the bar. Girl # 13 comes out a few minutes later and tells mama what happened. Mama apologizes and offers to get me another girl. I’m a little apprehensive after having my root raked like that, but accept her offer, so she calls girl # 14 over and we head back to the small room in the back where she washes me and start her BJ. I couldn’t cum because her BJ sucked (no pun intended). I spread my legs further and hiked the up a bit and pushed her face down towards my ass. She licked my ass as I jerked my own meat. It took a while, but I finally came. I washed in a bucket of water, dressed, tipped her 500 pesos and returned to the bar for another beer. I told mama she had lost the bet.

I link up with my friends and start bar hopping. When we get to Typhoon Club the door girl recognizes me as one of her cousins friends and calls her cousin to tell her I'm in town while I’m enjoying the sites inside the club. Fifteen minutes later Girl #14, an old friend of mine walks in the door and sits next to me. We bar hop some more and then head to the hotel to make up for lost times. Girl #14 is always a good rider!

YM

Five10
03-01-10, 15:51
Was in Angeles last month. Bought some Cial in a box. Got sick. Beware.

Believe they called it Cial 50 or Cial 100. It doesn't exist as my research to date has shown. Bogus Product.

Buy from Pharmacies only.

Best,

Five10

Yella Man
03-02-10, 18:52
Was in Angeles last month. Bought some Cial in a box. Got sick. Beware.

Believe they called it Cial 50 or Cial 100. It doesn't exist as my research to date has shown. Bogus Product.

Buy from Pharmacies only.

Best,

Five10


If you took Cialis in either a 50mg or 100mg dose you're bound to be sick. 20mg is the recommended dosage for that particular product. I've tried stuff off the street in the past with good results, but I'm not saying it's always safe. It's too easy to get a script for whatever you need nowadays so it's best to see a doctor.

YM

Cleanhead
03-02-10, 23:54
I saw a couple guys just go into the pharmacy and ask for viagra or cialis without a script. I would make the effort to go to the pharmacy and get your c or v rather than risk your life with some street vendor.

Matius
03-03-10, 04:57
If you took Cialis in either a 50mg or 100mg dose you're bound to be sick. 20mg is the recommended dosage for that particular product. I've tried stuff off the street in the past with good results, but I'm not saying it's always safe. It's too easy to get a script for whatever you need nowadays so it's best to see a doctor.

YM
You don't need to see a doctor to get either Cialis or Viagra, just go into the pharmacy and ask for it. Same for most antibiotics, you just need to know what you want. Mason Drugs on Fields, on the corner sells genuine products. There is absolutely no reason to deal with street vendors for any product you want, aside from everything they sell being garbage, you can buy anything they sell cheaper. You think they are certified wholesalers? They go to the various markets, buy the sunglasses and various other crap, double the price (or more if you are a real fish) and sell it on the street. Their drugs are all knockoff, not generic, and probably mix the active ingredient with chicken shit. Only an idiot buys Cialis or Viagra off the street, you have no idea what is in that pill.

Just like the girls that go around selling bottles of Jack Daniels, Remy Martin, etc. on the cheap. They pull the empty bottles out of the bar's trash bin, mix up a batch of what looks like whiskey, using local liquor (about 80 peso a bottle), cut three or four times with Jack, water or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). They got counterfiet seals they then use to seal the top, put it in the box they also got out of the bar's garbage.

And these people are not stupid, might suggest they are smarter than most of their customers. They've spent years trading techniques and refining their presentation so best to manipulate their would-be victims. And they have excellent memories and share customer information among themselves, a few days visit here dealing with them, all of them will know if you have money, what you buy and what hotel you stay at. And those few incidents of pick pocketing or robbery, probably have their origin in the person having dealings with some street vendor, who pointed him out as a potential target for crime. Flower girls, cigarette boys, sunglass salesmen, knock off drug people, street beggars, recommend you don't engage and don't give them anything. It is entirely safe here in Angeles, but I am amazed on this continuing discussion on the merits of buying street drugs from a con artist.

Yella Man
03-03-10, 07:05
You don't need to see a doctor to get either Cialis or Viagra, just go into the pharmacy and ask for it. Same for most antibiotics, you just need to know what you want.

Well said Matius! I usually pick up a series of antibiotics (cipro/azithromicyn) before I leave to clean up any nasty little bugs I might have caught along my mongering way. I've never been asked for a script yet.

YM

Yella Man
03-03-10, 07:27
Day 17: Fifteen minutes later Girl #14, an old friend of mine walks in the door and sits next to me. We bar hop some more and then head to the hotel to make up for lost times. Girl #14 is always a good rider!

YM

This is actually Girl #15. I screwed up while typing and lost track.

YM

Yella Man
03-03-10, 08:36
I had breakfast with Girl #15 and sent her on her way with promises to meet up later for some bar hopping. Hit the gym hard with my friend and then clowned around with the girls at the bar in Lewis Grand for a while. Took a shower towards evening and caught a trike for 70 pesos to my new favorite bj bar, the Honky Tonk. The daytime shift was still on and looked kinda rough so I decided to pass on the bj and grab a bite to eat at Kokomos instead. The food there is not really that great, but it was nearby so I went.

Girl #15 texts me and says she’s on her way back to meet me. I usually don’t bar hop with the girls much while I’m there because it’s just more fun to do it with close friends, but while bar hopping with girl #15 the previous night I noticed she made several remarks about some of the girls in various clubs saying things like, “She’s hot!”, or “Nice body!” So when girl #15 arrived at Kokomos I guided her into a conversation about her sexual preferences, asking her if she liked women, has ever eaten pussy, would she like to try, and questions like that. She said she had never been with a women but would like to try someday. It was her luck night! I told her we were going to bar hop all night until she founds a girl she liked, and then I would BF her so we could both enjoy her. She was game with one stipulation; that she would do the pussy eating, but not the other girl. I’m ok with that. I like girl #15.

Girl #15 was picky, so it took a while to find a girl who was acceptable to her. Either she like the girl but the girl didn’t like her, or she was afraid the girl would, “eat her alive” (her words, not mine) To summarize the night, we must have hit ten clubs before she settled on a girl from Nero’s who was cool with the idea of having another girl munch her box. 16 asks 15 if I have a large dick because she’s afraid of black men never having gone with one before. We tell her it’s average…because it is. She seems satisfied with this answer so I pay her BF of 1500 Peso’s and take them both to Sky Trax disco so we can all get acquainted with one another. Girl #16’s sister was there and she one bad little number. I tried to get her to sit at our table because devious sexual things were cruising through my mind, but her sister said she was only interested in Asian men. My other fantasy quickly deflated!

After many drinks and lots of dancing we head back to the Lewis Grand for some fun. We all take showers. 16 looks at my dick and says it’s too big. I guess she likes Asian men also. I turn some music on using my ipod and docking station. Even after all the drinking we had done, both girls looked nervous and unsure of how to start. I told 16 to lay on the bed and instructed 15 to eat her pussy. She told me to do it first. Not a problem so I dive right in. I get lost in the moment and forget 15 is watching, but I come to my senses after 15 minutes and tell 15 it’s her turn. She balks a little so I guide her between 16’s legs and gently push her face into her muff. She gives it a few tentative licks. By this point I’m laughing. I tell her she’s gotta really get in there and enjoy what she is doing. After a few minutes she relaxes and starts to give it her all.

I’m horny as hell as I watch this action go on for a while, so finally I grab 15, lay her next to 16 and start fucking her while 16 watches. 15 handles this for a while and then climbs on top to ride me all the while speaking tagolog to 16. The only word I understand out of their exchange is masarap, which mean taste good, or something similar. 15 cums hard. Stops moving and lays still atop me. I’m thinking I’m going to finish with 16, but 15 says she’s afraid because I look too big, so she doesn’t want to fuck me. After a long three way discussion that resolved nothing, I told 16 to get dressed and go. I let her leave without a tip. Later, 15 finished me off and apologized for 16’s behavior. I had fun regardless. It was still a good night.

YM

X Man
03-03-10, 10:09
Well, I have (been asked for a doc's prescription). Maybe things have changed since last time I asked. Do you go to the same pharmacy and what are the prices?

X


Well said Matius! I usually pick up a series of antibiotics (cipro/azithromicyn) before I leave to clean up any nasty little bugs I might have caught along my mongering way. I've never been asked for a script yet.

YM

Yella Man
03-03-10, 10:45
Well, I have (been asked for a doc's prescription). Maybe things have changed since last time I asked. Do you go to the same pharmacy and what are the prices?

X

I paid around 540 peso's for 1000mg (4x250mg tabs) of azithromycin and one 500mg tab of cipro at Manson Pharmacy. I've bought from the other pharmacy (forget the name) at the end of Fields on McArthur highway to the right of McDonalds as well with no script.

YM

X Man
03-03-10, 15:48
Thanks for the reply ym,

Sorry, I was referring to the earlier Matius posting about those special vitamins that help things grow big and strong!

As for antibiotics (cipro) what are you expecting of that? I once had a US military guy offer me some special pills saying it'll kill anything. I never took it.

X



I paid around 540 peso's for 1000mg (4x250mg tabs) of azithromycin and one 500mg tab of cipro at Manson Pharmacy. I've bought from the other pharmacy (forget the name) at the end of Fields on McArthur highway to the right of McDonalds as well with no script.

YM

Yella Man
03-03-10, 19:10
Thanks for the reply ym,

Sorry, I was referring to the earlier Matius posting about those special vitamins that help things grow big and strong!

As for antibiotics (cipro) what are you expecting of that? I once had a US military guy offer me some special pills saying it'll kill anything. I never took it.

X

He probably offered you a Z-Pac, Zithromax, same as Azithromycin but in higher dosage.

500mg of Cipro taken one time usually takes care of gonorrea. I take a cocktail of three antibiotics at the end of my trip right before I fly home, in case I'm harboring an unwanted hidden friend, if ya know what I mean.

You can get V and C without a script at the same pharmacies in AC. I checked a few in Davao and they wanted a script. Never tried in CDO, PG, Manila or Cebu.

YM

Amjeck
03-03-10, 20:04
.

500mg of Cipro taken one time usually takes care of gonorrea.

Cipro as in ciproflaxacin?

Yella Man
03-03-10, 20:21
Cipro as in ciproflaxacin?

Yep! Cipro XR, spelled Ciprofloxacin.

YM

Matius
03-04-10, 02:55
Thanks for the reply ym,

Sorry, I was referring to the earlier Matius posting about those special vitamins that help things grow big and strong!

As for antibiotics (cipro) what are you expecting of that? I once had a US military guy offer me some special pills saying it'll kill anything. I never took it.

X

Guys, don't know about other locations outside of Angeles and I know the pharmacy at JJ"s supermarket tried to pass off counterfiet Cialis to me. I know Mason is reputable and you don't need a script from a doctor (no, I don't own Mason).

In addition, you've reported the oral treatments for those little nasties that can appear. But assume you've partied till the end, now have to go home. G is pretty resiliant and it may take repeated doses over a week or two to ensure all is good to go with the wifey. There is a very reputable doctor we use here, Dr. Guzman (Community Medical Services, 660 Don Juico Ave, basically up Perimeter road by Korean town). He is known as the one arm doctor, most of his business is killing those evil little bugs and also giving vitamin B shots (very good by the way to keep you going). No appointment required, he gives you a shot that knocks out all this stuff, very fast. Don't be embarrassed or shy, this is what he and his staff do, and it is primarily men and some women who have this problem. Most of the trike drivers know Dr. Guzman's office up Perimeter road.

Matius
03-04-10, 03:13
Reputable Bar owners don't sell their bars by contacting you through forums such as this. Buying shares in a bar, is like buying air. By law you cannot own a majority stake in a bar if you a foreigner, if someone is trying to sell you minority shares or a majority through forums such as this, don't bite. You will lose your money and have no enforcement. If you don't know what I am talking about in regards to foreign ownership and the due diligence required to actually own a bar, then you have no business investing in one in Angeles. If all your information on bar ownership is coming from one person who has contacted you, you are being scammed. You cannot own land in the Philippines, to hold a mortgage on land as a foreigner means no investment protection. There is one big scam going on now, involving share ownership, land/building mortgage and various investment scenario, and it is possible some of you have been contacted in private about such, you are buying a dream if you invest. Even if the person's contacting you are using names of high profile businesses you know to exist.

And yes foreigners do own bars in Angeles, but again if you don't know how that is done and what to watch out for, then you have no business even considering sending money to someone you met through this forum or some other casual relationship. This is not about residential property, this is your being solicited to purchase in relation to the bar business or casino business, be it shares, ownership rights or land/building mortgages.

AnonJohn
03-04-10, 07:15
I agree. I don't like most of the food in the Phils. That is why I figured I would ask. Getting laid and finding a hotel is the easy part. Finding quality food is a task.

With all the expats in AC you would think a few places would figure out a good menu that they can offer good food at an affordable price. But I understand importing some of the ingredients are expensive.

I would think there are some good specials coming up for Super Bowl and then Valentines Day. What is after that? Any Bikini Showdowns or Beauty Pageants?

Late reply here, but I have to say, C's Italian restaurant is amazingly good and keeps me coming back. I'd say its 90% better than most Italian restaurants in the east coast US which is saying a lot. The chef grows some of the veggies used and their "panizza" is simply kick ass.

Betong
03-04-10, 07:39
Late reply here, but I have to say, C's Italian restaurant is amazingly good and keeps me coming back.I still like C' but don't get there as often as I used to. It seems pretty pricey these days, and not as consistent as it might be.

To answer the OP, plenty of places in AC have figured out a good menu at good prices. Just a few: Eatalia, Cottage Kitchen, Red Sea, and pretty much any Korean place in town. The problem in AC as in the PI in general isn't a lack of good food, it's that there's so much mediocre stuff that you have to make a bit of an effort. Lots of info on this forum.

AnonJohn
03-04-10, 10:47
I still like C' but don't get there as often as I used to. It seems pretty pricey these days, and not as consistent as it might be.

To answer the OP, plenty of places in AC have figured out a good menu at good prices. Just a few: Eatalia, Cottage Kitchen, Red Sea, and pretty much any Korean place in town. The problem in AC as in the PI in general isn't a lack of good food, it's that there's so much mediocre stuff that you have to make a bit of an effort. Lots of info on this forum.

Thanks for the other names, I will check those out. There's actually another Italian restaurant just up a bit from C's that's decent - nowhere as good, the service doesn't compare and the ambiance can't touch C's outdoor courtyard, but it's decent.

As far as price goes, it's consistent with an "affordable" upscale Italian place here in the US, except a bit cheaper. And of course, after being repulsed and turned off by the crap that passes for food in Phils, you're willing to take out your 401K to get a good bowl of pasta, french bread and a drinkable glass of wine! I rent in Bulacan and I can't tell you how much I knelt down and praised a higher power the day I found a drinkable bottle of wine within reasonable distance. (Jackaroo, 285php)

Consistency wise, I can't really say I've seen much of that problem but I did have one or two dishes that I wasn't happy with. Both cases, Chris (the owner chef) definitely handles that problem professionally. I actually catered from him once for a party and the guy did a stand up fantastic job.

Other than that, I like places in Manila - the restaurant in the Hyatt, some of the places in Market Market outside Manila, etc. Yes, tourist places but still, upscale quality food.

Yella Man
03-04-10, 20:35
Girl #15 and I got up and had lunch at one of the many Korean Restaurants on Friendship. Afterwards, I gave her some Peso’s and told her I would be bar hopping with my friends that night, and maybe I would see her when I got back from Thailand the following week. She told me she wanted to find another girl for us to take home when I returned. I was looking forward to it as well. I put her in a trike and walked down the street to AC1 gym to get my workout on.

The rest of my day and night went like this: Shower, Black Pearl bj bar where Girl #17, a girl who gave me great head back in February 2009, gave a repeat performance. We chatted for a while afterwards, and then I linked up with friends to bar hop. I Bar hopped until I almost dropped from alcohol and exhaustion, then called it quits around 3AM. Slept late on day 21, got up, packed bags, checked out and caught our flight to Thailand. R/T ticket from Clark to Bangkok cost $189 on Cebu pacific. I’ll see AC again on day 27. It’s time to party in Thailand.

Poopbunny
03-05-10, 02:39
I can't tell you how much I knelt down and praised a higher power the day I found a drinkable bottle of wine within reasonable distance. (Jackaroo, 285php)

Raised on new world wines I have always thought the 375ml bottles of Bordeaux or Cote du Rhone at Swiss Chalet are pretty good value for money. Fine steaks for the price too.

Betong
03-05-10, 04:25
i have always thought the 375ml bottles of bordeaux or cote du rhone at swiss chalet are pretty good value for money.yep, i've downed a few of those over the years. nothing like a nice little red wine buzz to kick start the evening.

the wine by the glass at eatalia (in the courtyard, a nice new restaurant complex next to johnny's supermarket on macarthur) ain't bad either, and it's cheap.

Minuteman
03-05-10, 19:47
I take a cocktail of three antibiotics at the end of my trip right before I fly home, in case I'm harboring an unwanted hidden friend, if ya know what I mean.YMWhat are the 3 drugs please?

Yella Man
03-06-10, 05:46
What are the 3 drugs please?


Axithromycin

Doxycyline

Ciprofloxacin

You can find the dosing info online if you do a search.

YM

GreenBud
03-06-10, 08:32
500mg of Cipro taken one time usually takes care of gonorrea. I take a cocktail of three antibiotics at the end of my trip right before I fly home, in case I'm harboring an unwanted hidden friend, if ya know what I mean.My limited understanding of antibiotics is that you don't want to take them when it's unncessary. Your body gets a resistance to the drug; you would want them to be effective when you have something.

But I'm not a doctor; please consult your physician/pharmacist.

Sirnoir
03-06-10, 11:03
I am sitting in Palau and in about 15 days I will be in Guam and faced with a decision.

Back to Bangkok where I have been before and know exactly where to stay, go and do. Or a shorter flight to Manila/Angeles City.

I love not having to deal with everyting being new and hard to figure out and I LOVE how wide open the menu is in Bangkok. But that extra 5 hours each way has me thinking.

Input from the experienced out there?

Any specifics on where to stay in Angeles City? I would like a more high end place.

Oh yes. If Angeles City probably 3 nights, if Bangkok probably 4 nights.

Hope for some good help!

M

Yogibear69
03-06-10, 12:08
Has anybody attended an ABC pool party? I am considering attending the next one scheduled for March 12th

Betong
03-06-10, 18:06
The wine by the glass at Eatalia ain't bad eitherWhoops, I'm going to take that back. Had a glass tonight and it was shite. Some decent bottles for about P500 though.

Fields was packed tonight, full-on Saturday night fever. But it's beginning to feel like high season is winding down -- a lot of the long-stay guys seem to be on their way home. Should be much more of a buyer's market after Easter.

Danokfan
03-06-10, 21:41
Hi, 2 questions:

Any action in Subic, Pampanga?

Any recommendation for sex in Thailand? Phuket, Koh?

TQ.

Gonzofiend
03-06-10, 22:49
I am sitting in Palau and in about 15 days I will be in Guam and faced with a decision.

Back to Bangkok where I have been before and know exactly where to stay, go and do. Or a shorter flight to Manila/Angeles City.

I love not having to deal with everyting being new and hard to figure out and I LOVE how wide open the menu is in Bangkok. But that extra 5 hours each way has me thinking.

Input from the experienced out there?

Any specifics on where to stay in Angeles City? I would like a more high end place.

Oh yes. If Angeles City probably 3 nights, if Bangkok probably 4 nights.

Hope for some good help!

MThe Lewis Grande is considered a high end place, $99 for a regular room and 169$ for a room with a hot tub. Angeles Beach Club is also very nice.

If your a native english speaker, the fact that all of the girls speak good english is a plus. You don't negotiate with the girl, you pay the bar a flat bar fine and the girl gets about half later. All you have to worry about is a tip, usually 300 to 500 pesos for a good performer. The girls are far more GFE, or so I've heard, but that is because they are looking for husbands, so be very careful.

Angeles City is very compact and the "red light area" very easy to navigate. There are literally hundreds of bars in a very small area, which is nice. It is very easy to figure Angeles out, but you do need to read the forum here for some good info. And trust me, AC is pretty much wide open except for nudity in the bars (it can happen, but not as common as in the LOS) and I don't recall seeing sex shows of any kind, but I heard most avoid that Patpong stuff anyways. But plenty of fun stuff can happen in the bars, especially if you have the money.

No one can contain all of the advice you need in one post, so hopefully more will answer and you'll gain experience and knowledge from those responses and reviewing the forum. Just read back this thread for like three months, and you'll glean a lot of valuable info.

The real downside is that except for the sex and the partying, there isn't a lot to do. Go to the Mall, shop for trinkets, but not much else. Of course, for three nights that won't matter much to you. You'll be too busy.

I've never been to the LOS, but I've been to AC. I can't compare the two that at all, but if you've been to the LOS a few times maybe try something different? I hope that this helps.

Gonzo

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Sharka
03-06-10, 23:54
Axithromycin

YM


Should be Azithromycin = Zithromax (trade name)

Poopbunny
03-07-10, 02:06
Considering that there are probably no direct commercial flights between Guam and Thailand, you will be silly not to give Manila a go where there are commercial flights.

Like yourself, I use to be a fan of Thailand and still am, but now to a lesser degree since discovering PI and AC.

As for places to stay in AC, you can't do any better than Lewis Grand at the moment.


I am sitting in Palau and in about 15 days I will be in Guam and faced with a decision.

Back to Bangkok where I have been before and know exactly where to stay, go and do. Or a shorter flight to Manila/Angeles City.

I love not having to deal with everyting being new and hard to figure out and I LOVE how wide open the menu is in Bangkok. But that extra 5 hours each way has me thinking.

Input from the experienced out there?

Any specifics on where to stay in Angeles City? I would like a more high end place.

Oh yes. If Angeles City probably 3 nights, if Bangkok probably 4 nights.

Hope for some good help!

M

Artful
03-07-10, 02:07
Hi Sirnoir,

I recently was in that part of the world for a month (report to come later) and was in Thailand and PI.

I know what you mean about visiting a place you already know, but this trip was my first visit to AC and it's incredible easy for a first-time visitor because it's so compact.

I stayed at the Pacific Breeze hotel which was $60/night, probably a bit pricey but it's in a great location and the hotel itself is fine, despite the rooms looking like they were decorated by your grandmother.

I found the Filipinas to be excellent. On the whole, more beautiful than the Thais. More womanly, it's the Spanish influence no doubt. Better in bed, both in PSE and GFE terms. I've been in Thailand 6 or 7 times and for me the Filipinas were hands-down better.

And, AC is damn cheap. Certainly cheaper than BKK and even cheaper than Pattaya. I wish I stayed there much longer. I'm considering spending a couple of weeks there in the summer


I am sitting in Palau and in about 15 days I will be in Guam and faced with a decision.

Back to Bangkok where I have been before and know exactly where to stay, go and do. Or a shorter flight to Manila/Angeles City.

I love not having to deal with everyting being new and hard to figure out and I LOVE how wide open the menu is in Bangkok. But that extra 5 hours each way has me thinking.

Input from the experienced out there?

Any specifics on where to stay in Angeles City? I would like a more high end place.

Oh yes. If Angeles City probably 3 nights, if Bangkok probably 4 nights.

Hope for some good help!

M

Svhsvh
03-07-10, 02:37
hey guys,

i was in ac for the first time in september/october 2009. and i'm coming back again because i had a blast!

i thought i posted a report about my experience, but i don't see it so i guess i didn't. a bit of time has passed so i'll try my best to provide detailed information.

arrived at manila airport, a lg driver was waiting for me and easy to find. awesome guy, walter was his name. very friendly and was able to keep a good conversation going the entire trip to the hotel. cost = $3000. relatively expensive perhaps. but very convenient and i'd do it again.

good service at lg check in and the room was nice though not spectacular. i found that a couple time the cleaners didn't leave new soaps, or restock enough towels, but they were always quick to bring it for me if i called. leave a few pesos on the bed and they'll do a great job of course! i think the best part about staying at lg was when you tell the girls where you are staying their eyes light up! i also examined the bill very closely upon checkout and there were no extra charges whatsoever. i even stated i was a gov't employee and requested the 10% discount and they gave it to me without even asking for proof (which i had if required).

i had planned to meet up with a fellow isg member, and i was very happy i did. he was a very nice american gentleman who was by that time living in ac. we went out a few times along with some of his friends to some of his favorite places and i ran into him a few times at random. ac is definitely a small town when you're there to monger. i had a couple occasions where i was walking down the street only to hear a girl yell out my name from the entrance to her bar. polite wave and hello, and just say i'm going to meet a friend!

i was in ac for approximately 13 days, and if my memory serves me correctly there were 13 different girls. i did see some of them on more than one occasion, but in those cases it was the girls coming by the hotel after their shift or on their day off. not repeat bf's. no girls was bf'd more than once, and i was surprised at how many were interested in additional "freebie" hook-ups. maybe it was the comfy bed/hot showers at the lg?

i checked out quite a few perimeter bars as well as fields, but will only make comment on places i bf'd from:

lost in asia: went here after dropping off my luggage at the hotel. first night in ac and i was tired so didn't barhop. arrived here and met a nice looking waitress immediately. at that time she was not yet barfining, but she was good company. not many customers but the owner was there and ordered yellow cab pizza and gave it out to everyone (good pizza). played some pool, had some beers and talked about all the girls with the waitress. at the end of the night (12:00), i took an 18 year old cutie back to the hotel and had my first ac bf experience. she was great! tiny, maybe 5'3 and 95 pounds. cute face and tight body. i saw her once more, and the waitress i met that first night also came to the hotel one night after her shift for some freebie fun (nice big tits). no sex as it was that time of month, but i played with her tits forever and she gave a great bj. i hung out at lia a few times when i wasn't barhopping as the waitresses were nice and there was lots of free pool to play.

peanuts: met my isg friend here, and met a girl who i saw a few times during the trip. our second last encounter involved one of her friends from genesis (whose face was a 7 but body was 10. a 10 in any country by any standard. i could not believe it). unfortunately, my girl was upset about something personal and got too drunk that night and passed out at the hotel, which ruined the 3some but i did get to spend extra attention on her "10" friend. great deepthroat from this chick too. the original girl was very apologetic when texting me after that night, so i gave her

the opportunity to see me once more before i left, so she came over one afternoon to shag and apologize. apology accepted! there were a couple other girls from here i would've bf'd had the situation been right.

dr. holms/eruptions: met a very very pretty waitress at dr. holms (face 9 body 6-7). saw her a few times and she was great company. she actually rode in the taxi with me to manila airport and then went to visit her family after i left. she provided me with lots of good times, very gfe.

cherry's/stampede: one very sexy waitress at cherry's came to the hotel for a freebie on her day off. she had actually just caught the bus back from manila and stopped in for about 2 hours of fun then left when i went barhopping. no attachment, no nothing. just quick and fun. i did bf from stampede a girl with good body but not such a great face, but of course still alright. this chick was a fuckin' nut! we started going at it in the room and she starts yelling and slapping me and shit (in a good way, not in a bad/[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) way). i didn't know what to do so i started slapping her back, anywhere from her ass to her thighs to stomach and face. i've never had sex like that, but it just got her off so good. if i can find her again when i return i'll definitley have another go with her.

body shop: lots of cute girls when i was there. bf'd a waitress. good time but st as i had one of my other girls coming over that night.

crystal palace: this is the only place where i was charged 250p for a ld. the girl looked so much like my ex-gf (a canadian born filipina) that i couldn't resist her. she was fun but shy, too bad because again i would rate this girl a 9 face and 8 body. good sex, let her go early though as she wasn't really any fun.

ponytails: went here a couple times due to the large number of girls. i bf'd one who was not good to go due to being 'that time of month'. i remembered to ask every other time. out of all the girls she had the weakest english skills, but we communicated alright. due to the situation, i did a lot of relaxing while she used her mouth that night.

i know i'm forgetting some other bar/girls. but it's been too long now. other places i checked out but didn't bf from: gecko's (small and packed), vortex (big and empty), candy bar, dirty duck (almost bf'd a girl from there who was a friend of the peanuts/3 some girl but she was already 'reserved' by someone for that night), roadies, gentleman's club, and of course a few more i can't think of.

generally, i found there to be lots of good looking girls, both face/body. i try not to exaggerate the ratings, but i honestly found these girls to be that attractive. i also loved walking around the streets and the malls (nepo and sm clark) as there are so many hot girls in skimpy shorts.

although i averaged a girl a day, there were so many more that i wanted but didn't have time. it was my first time there, but it seemed that going in late september/early october left me with so much choice. many of the bars (especially perimeter) were void of customers. you could sit with 2 or 3 girls hanging off you, touching/rubbing you and vice versa, without having to buy any ld's. they just didn't have anything else to do so were happy to compete for the attention. the worst part of that was that

when you actually take the time to talk to them and get to know them, you may start to lose that killer instinct that monger's possess. or maybe that's because it was my first time mongering?

so, now on to my question for other members: i'm planning on returning at the same time this year, late september into early october. i'm looking for a room to rent for up to 3 weeks. i know it seems like a long time, but when you have to fly so damn far to get there you might as well take your time and enjoy it.

does any know of any private residences that can be rented for that long? i had no problem with lg and money isn't so much an issue, and i would consider it again but i would also like something

like a private condo or something near the action which provides me with both increased privacy but more importantly is safe and secure. does anyone have any suggestions? any would be appreciated.

it looks like my 'subscription' has expired, so i'm not sure if i can post pictures but i will try immediately after i post this. i'll try name the girls in the pictures by the bar she was from.

thanks in advance for any advice, and sorry for the delay in posting about my trip. i must admit i'm counting down to my return already.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Vibrations
03-07-10, 06:25
Hi there guys,

Just a quick one. I heard its still hard to get filipina gf (age 19). I'm 34 to leave to visit my country Malaysia. Heard the immigration people still barred them from leaving? How true is this? Anyone here experience it?

Do advice.

Thanks

Amjeck
03-07-10, 09:51
I found the Filipinas to be excellent. On the whole, more beautiful than the Thais. More womanly, it's the Spanish influence no doubt. Better in bed, both in PSE and GFE terms. I've been in Thailand 6 or 7 times and for me the Filipinas were hands-down better.

And, AC is damn cheap. Certainly cheaper than BKK and even cheaper than Pattaya. I wish I stayed there much longer. I'm considering spending a couple of weeks there in the summer
I find that pattaya is cheaper in every category especially food. I agree that the filipinas attitudes are much better and they are hornier than thai girls. I find that the girls are prettier and slimmer in Pattaya.

Undakovabrotha
03-07-10, 10:11
Hi there guys,

Just a quick one. I heard its still hard to get filipina gf (age 19). I'm 34 to leave to visit my country Malaysia. Heard the immigration people still barred them from leaving? How true is this? Anyone here experience it?

Do advice.

ThanksNo problem as long as they are over 18.

Rubberyman
03-07-10, 13:23
I find that pattaya is cheaper in every category especially food. I agree that the filipinas attitudes are much better and they are hornier than thai girls. I find that the girls are prettier and slimmer in Pattaya.

Hmmmm.

Lady drinks in Pattaya gogo typically 140-150B. That is about 200 Piso.

Barfine in AC 1500 Piso for long time is a typical price. That is about 1000B.

Not sure how Pattaya is that much cheaper. Mind you, there is not that much in it, unless you are talking comparing street girls along Beach Rd with girls in the more expensive AC bars.

TripleX
03-07-10, 19:08
Pattaya has cheaper and better quality hotels, but girls are cheaper in AC. Food is probably cheaper too in Pattaya especially for me since I can eat local thai food but am not a fan of filipino food.

Amjeck
03-07-10, 19:24
Hmmmm.

Lady drinks in Pattaya gogo typically 140-150B. That is about 200 Piso.

Barfine in AC 1500 Piso for long time is a typical price. That is about 1000B.

Not sure how Pattaya is that much cheaper. Mind you, there is not that much in it, unless you are talking comparing street girls along Beach Rd with girls in the more expensive AC bars.
There are loads of girls all over pattaya that do ST for 500 (not just beach road), so pattaya has AC beat on price for flesh (in general). The same girls in AC who go for 3000(who I've found always want ST) is slightly more expensive that the 2100 (1500 + 600) for the same uppermarket in Pattaya.

Prices are still very close it just depends on ones preference of meat.

PI, however, has Pattaya beat on horny chicks, wet pussies, real tits, real hair, freebies, and attitude.

Poopbunny
03-08-10, 05:48
I find that pattaya is cheaper in every category especially food. I actually find the opposite.

Comparing restaurants, I found PI marginally cheaper. I only spend more on food in PI because I tend to dine more in Western type restaurants when I am there, but generally spend less on food in Thailand because I do eat the sometimes spicy local Thai street food which I like. I believe street food in PI to be cheaper or about par.

Usually the girls cost me less in AC.

Pattaya.
BF = B600
Tip = B1500 for ST (double or more for LT)

AC
EWR (BF) = P1300 (but may be as high is as P3000)
Tip = 0 - P500 (if she stays LT with minimum round 2 otherwise nothing)

Lke svhsvh pointed out freebies are not uncommon AC, on the other hand, I have never gotten a freebie in Pattaya

And I believe the BHT is worth about 40% more than PHP so really your dollar goes much further.

And like everyone else has already pointed out, the sex, GFE, etc is better in PI. This keeps me coming back for more regardless of the costs.

Vibrations
03-08-10, 05:58
Some of the Immigration Officers at Clark are real ass holes. My GF was 21 and they still detained her for half an hour because she was a student (that was the excuse).

Best to go to different countersDifferent counters? What different counters? One 'boss' there with mustache is an ass.

What different counters are you referring to? Are female immigration officers better?

Ekspat
03-08-10, 08:57
Axithromycin
Doxycyline
Ciprofloxacin

Don't rely on them too much, afaik these are all first generation antibiotics. For sure and I know it from own experince, Doxycycline is long time already useless as treatment for gonorrhea. I wouldn't count much on the other two.
In 2008 I got a gonorrhea in AC, needed 3 shots IM with third generation cephalosporines (Ceftriaxone) to get rid of it.
Wasn't amused at all.

Good luck to all! :)

Yella Man
03-08-10, 09:27
Don't rely on them too much, afaik these are all first generation antibiotics. For sure and I know it from own experince, Doxycycline is long time already useless as treatment for gonorrhea. I wouldn't count much on the other two.
In 2008 I got a gonorrhea in AC, needed 3 shots IM with third generation cephalosporines (Ceftriaxone) to get rid of it.
Wasn't amused at all.

Good luck to all! :)

That's so true! STD's mutate and become resistant to antibiotics over time, but I've had luck so far with my triple antibiotic cocktail. Hey, you play and eventually you'll pick up something...even from a BJ.

YM

Yella Man
03-08-10, 09:34
i actually find the opposite.

comparing restaurants, i found pi marginally cheaper. i only spend more on food in pi because i tend to dine more in western type restaurants when i am there, but generally spend less on food in thailand because i do eat the sometimes spicy local thai street food which i like. i believe street food in pi to be cheaper or about par.

usually the girls cost me less in ac.

pattaya.
bf = b600
tip = b1500 for st (double or more for lt)

ac
ewr (bf) = p1300 (but may be as high is as p3000)
tip = 0 - p500 (if she stays lt with minimum round 2 otherwise nothing)

lke svhsvh pointed out freebies are not uncommon ac, on the other hand, i have never gotten a freebie in pattaya

and i believe the bht is worth about 40% more than php so really your dollar goes much further.

and like everyone else has already pointed out, the sex, gfe, etc is better in pi. this keeps me coming back for more regardless of the costs.


it's the gfe that is lacking in thailand nowadays. i met a girl in pattaya last january, danced, drank, and bullshitted the night away with her. as soon as i busted a nut she was up, in the shower, and dressed before i could say, "are you leaving?" surprised the hell outta me because we were getting along so well. i'm done with thailand. over all, the cost was slightly higher and the girls more shark like.

ym