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To fufill a minor fetish, what is the assessment for picking a mom-to-be? I realise that they won't be dancing...!
Thoughts? harder/easier than Manila?
Cheers, Y
To fufill a minor fetish, what is the assessment for picking a mom-to-be? I realise that they won't be dancing...!
Thoughts? harder/easier than Manila?
Cheers, Y
No disrespect or sarcasm intended.
Hmmm why not check out the malls they seem to be teaming with new moms, moms to be, sisters etcetera... you get the point a closed mouth won't get fed.
Ask the girls if they got a pregnant friend.
Let the monger gods bless you. be safe and wrap that rascal.
To fufill a minor fetish, what is the assessment for picking a mom-to-be? I realise that they won't be dancing...!
Thoughts? harder/easier than Manila?
Cheers, Y
I have not seen any pregnant dancers atleast with visible bump apart from fat.
Most Bars send them home the moment they discover they are pregnant. However I have seen some pregnant waitresses and mamasans. Will they go with you? Maybe!
I have seen many pregnant girls in LA cafe. You would have had better chance to take them there if they were open.
Just handle the poor lady with care.
If you are looking for a pregnant dancer, Mexico is your best bet.
Rob Woodrow
08-05-10, 01:29
Yes, and no. But the obligatory drink is something I often save until after she's agreed to barfine. You can chat a girl for a few minutes without a drink before she gets up to go back and dance. Sitting at the stage is a MUCH better idea, the girls will come to you. Wink, smile, be happy with your drink.
Yeah, there's more than one way to find a friend for the evening. I hardly ever "point and click" anymore. It's more fun to play around with the format a little. So I agree, no you don't have to buy LD's to find out if the girl will go with you. I do usually buy a drink before I ask, but not always. I might try buying fewer next trip to see what happens.
Hey guys,
Sorry if this is off topic, but I'll be arriving in AC on the 20 August and I am a bit worried about the weather forecasts, all showing thunderstorms everyday!
How is the weather right now? Does it rain all day? Can I have a dip in the pool or will I be stuck in my room 24/7!
Thanks in advance
DonaldIt rains every evening around 6 for an hour or so. Tuesday it rained heavily between 11 am and 1 pm too.
The bigger concern are the typhoons.
Typhoon Domeng is hovering off the eastern seaboard right now and Typhoon Ester is forming behind it and expected to come in next week sometime.
By the 20th there could be a 5th one on the way.
You can still swim in the pool even if it is pissing down. The temperature is still well above 20 degrees C even if it is raining.
At the end of the day, we cannot make ourselves any younger or better lookingWell I do find that I seem to be much younger and more handsome in the low season!
KyCuriosity
08-05-10, 04:27
Well I do find that I seem to be much younger and more handsome in the low season!When is the low season again? I'll be visiting during that time.
Many opinions here...most of them negative.
Never tried the V, the C although fake, worked just as well as the real stuff. So the active ingredient is present.
Try one first before buying a lot. If it works well, go back to the same guy.
Don't pay more than P200 a box.
I bought a sealed bottle of 10 for what equals $10 from a street vendor. Will try one tonight and see if it actually works. I figure at a buck a pill what the heck. If I got scammed for $10 then so be it.I always get 100p a box, sometime i can get 80p if buy many.
You are paying way too much.
Many blame the ASIAN influence. I have many lady friends that still laugh about the 234 or (222, 233 ???) Asian men. 2 minutes, 3 inches and 4000P tip! Can not really blame the girls. Just a shame though.
Whatever the reason, YOU MUST ASK THE GIRL IF SHE WILL STAY ALL NIGHT! I specifically ask for all night and to have breakfast. You can have the MAMASAN explain the deal to the girl(s) as well.
If they agreed to stay and then decide to leave early....NO TIP!I heard too many about the 333 and I believe it is somehow not so true, but I do agree the 3 inch size. 3min can happen to anyone, seldom heard the girls get 3000p tips even from japanese and korean.
You better print out a form, let the girl fill up the form before you pay the bar fine. Let her tick the box and answer some simple question. Anal, BBBJ, how many pops, What time leave, 3or4some friendly, vibrator friendly, tips expected etc.
Wicked Roger
08-05-10, 13:45
To fufill a minor fetish, what is the assessment for picking a mom-to-be? I realise that they won't be dancing...!
Thoughts? harder/easier than Manila?
Cheers, Y
Yendor
If you are AC and like to shag a preggy (5 months) I may know someone, she is in Pampagna, ex cam girl, really feeling horny...PM if you need details.
Saw her last week when in Manila but I dont shag preggies...am kinky but that is not my kink :D
23 years old, nice girl, nice BBBJ etc
Yendor
If you are AC and like to shag a preggy (5 months) I may know someone, she is in Pampagna, ex cam girl, really feeling horny...PM if you need details.
Saw her last week when in Manila but I dont shag preggies...am kinky but that is not my kink :D
23 years old, nice girl, nice BBBJ etc
WR
Is there no end to your stable of willing and wanton women (nice alliteration there)
I am wanton but I am not gettin LOL.
Everybody on ISG will soon be pming you for whatever sort of kink they have. I know you will be able to please them.
Stay well mate and hope to see you again next month.
LoveAsianWhores
08-05-10, 16:18
Maybe a little off topic, but nevertheless: careful gentlemen, there is a team of pickpockets working at Fields and I can assure you that these three biniboys do know how to do their job! Unfortunately (for them! :)) they approached me yesterday night in front of Champagne and, define irony, just when the tourist police drove past. But before telling you about the yesterday's result it might be interesting for you to know how a professional pickpocketing works.
Again, three persons at work. The first one, 'the drawer' comes close to you, touches and hugs you while offering any service. The natural reaction from a victim would be to enlarge the distance between him and the thief. If you do so, or - even worse - run away, then your wallet is lifted automatically, provided that the pickpocket was able to get two (!) fingers into your pocket. The lifted wallet is then quickly handed over to the second guy, 'the courier' who passes by. After 10 meters the wallet goes to the third guy, 'the runner', who walks now in a different direction.
So, what happened to me yesterday? 'The drawer' approached me as described, but instead of running away I shortened the distance between him and me. That makes any lift a little more tricky (but of course not impossible). Moreover it was bad for the guy that he had hands like a digger. :) So, quite easy for me to 'block the way out of the pocket' with the forearm in order to secure my items.
However, since these guys did not pay me the adequate respect, I thought it might be an idea to teach them a slight lesson. Well, while securing my wallet I got two of my smooth, well-trained fingers into his pocket and when 'the drawer' quickly run away, because he f*cked it up, all of sudden his cellphone was lifted instead. Bad luck for him to realize this loss a little later and maybe even harder for him to accept that his last victim was indeed a much better pickpocket then he himself! :) BTW, many years ago I had indeed a little 'training' from a befriended magician.
Gentlemen, to make a long story short: be alert and watch your belongings! Especially if you are drunk these three guys are not to underestimate!
Cheers!
HesekielsThey hit a friend of mine on the same day.
Similar story, but he got his wallet back before the pass off.
I thought it might be an idea to teach them a slight lesson. Well, while securing my wallet I got two of my smooth, well-trained fingers into his pocket and when 'the drawer' quickly run away, because he f*cked it up, all of sudden his cellphone was lifted instead. Bad luck for him
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Did you pawn the cell phone? LOL :) :) :)
Rob Woodrow
08-06-10, 01:36
Whatever the reason, YOU MUST ASK THE GIRL IF SHE WILL STAY ALL NIGHT! I specifically ask for all night and to have breakfast. You can have the MAMASAN explain the deal to the girl(s) as well.
If they agreed to stay and then decide to leave early....NO TIP!
I like this advice, although I rarely bother to include the mamasan because that makes things more impersonal than they already are.
I also usually don't buy the girls breakfast, because it makes it tougher to pick up the waitresses.
Little off-topic, but could you guys advise if there's a decent bowling alley in AC? Also, which would be the cinema of choice?
Thanks!
Econo Tech
08-06-10, 06:15
I heard too many about the 333 and I believe it is somehow not so true, but I do agree the 3 inch size. 3min can happen to anyone, seldom heard the girls get 3000p tips even from japanese and korean.
You better print out a form, let the girl fill up the form before you pay the bar fine. Let her tick the box and answer some simple question. Anal, BBBJ, how many pops, What time leave, 3or4some friendly, vibrator friendly, tips expected etc.Or memorise the contents of the Youtube video - ten questions to ask an angeles girl
I can post the link - if there is a need
Gonzofiend
08-06-10, 08:19
Little off-topic, but could you guys advise if there's a decent bowling alley in AC? Also, which would be the cinema of choice?
Thanks!I can't help you with the bowling alley, but the SM Mall has a bunch of cinemas with fairly current films. I saw 'The Hangover' there with my bar fine, and also 'GI Joe'. Very comfortable, air conditioned, and pretty cheap. I'm sure that there are others but SM Mall is so close to the tourist area that it would likely be your best bet. If your alone, you can also check out the ladies in the Mall.
Have a blast when you go.
Gonzo
Has anyone here BF a girl, got great GFE service, went back to the same bar and BF a different girl when your BF from the previous night was present?
I have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.
I have BF different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.
has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?
it's been a while but i tried to work my way through a small bar on perimeter road. bf'ed about 6 or 7 out of the 10 girls working there with no problem. i spent a lot of time there and contributed to the christmas party and bought all of them ice cream a couple of times. it got to be a joke when i walked in they would all ask whose turn it was that night. had a favorite i bf'ed a couple of times. syt who was naturally bare down there. loved it when i daty.
keep it light and should not have a problem. just let the first girl know before hand so she can save face i.e. give you permission.
slim
I heard too many about the 333 and I believe it is somehow not so true, but I do agree the 3 inch size. 3min can happen to anyone, seldom heard the girls get 3000p tips even from japanese and korean.
There's always some truth in rumors.
Japanese are always the preferred customers in asia, but mainly because they out spend all others.
WestCoast1
08-06-10, 14:54
There's always some truth in rumors.
Japanese are always the preferred customers in asia, but mainly because they out spend all others.I used to date a waitress at BodyShop. She told me the places frequented by korean and japanese, the girls get huge tips, 2-4000, sometimes with no sex involved. She said japanese men like to buy lots of LD and chat different girls before taking one, or even not taking a girl. That was a year ago.
has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?
i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.
i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.i barfined diffrent girls a couple of times in the same bar while the previous bf was present. how did my previous bf behave? most of them got mad at me or at least they behaved that way. in one occasion, my previous bf and my about-to-get bf started fighting on the spot! i hope they got back to friends by now!
i never intend to bf different girls in the same bar. i rather want to avoid doing so. however, i tend to find a couple attractive girls in one partivular bar but none in the other bar. it's an ethical dilemma situation.
I used to date a waitress at BodyShop. She told me the places frequented by korean and japanese, the girls get huge tips, 2-4000, sometimes with no sex involved. She said japanese men like to buy lots of LD and chat different girls before taking one, or even not taking a girl. That was a year ago.
Still true today as this was still going on during my last trip there. But also they travel in groups rather than as singles like ourselves so the tips and LDs are often for one lady but several guys are buying them. So by the nites end tips and drinks add up. Yes. they do make us regular blokes look cheap.
has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?
i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.
i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.
yes. happen several times for me and sometimes it was a problem as others may act different towards me if i picked one from before and she really liked me. other times no problems so depends on who you pick up at the same bar as the ladies could be close friends.
When is the low season again? I'll be visiting during that time.
Low season is generally before December as Dec =March is peak season in PI
Little off-topic, but could you guys advise if there's a decent bowling alley in AC? Also, which would be the cinema of choice?
Thanks!In manila. Mall of asia. 32 lanes 140php per line 30 php for shoes.
Was seriously considering opening that type establishment myself. Don't want any local "partners" and if I invested the 3 million USD. I would have to have local & unwanted "partners". Know what I mean?
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Did you pawn the cell phone? LOL :) :) :)
Nope, but a cute waitress from Insomnia was so happy to have such a 'nice cellphone' now! By the way, the next day I saw these jerks again, but nothing had happend! Politely we ignored each other! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
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I never intend to BF different girls in the same bar. ...
Why not? I do that quite regularly and never faced any problems! If one girl is really pissed off, then so be it! Not my issue! This kind of competition is their problem, not ours, or am I wrong?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I used to date a waitress at BodyShop. She told me the places frequented by korean and japanese, the girls get huge tips, 2-4000, sometimes with no sex involved. She said japanese men like to buy lots of LD and chat different girls before taking one, or even not taking a girl. That was a year ago.
Yep. True. I was at Agasya and wanted to BF a girl badly on my last night. I think it was Camille. But some Koreans beat me to buying her an LD. I just about lost all hope, but the waitress said to me be patient and just wait, they are just there to get her company not to BF her, ordered food for the table, bought lots of LD etc..
Then they left. And I got to BF her.
.............. By the way, the next day I saw these jerks again, but nothing had happend! Politely we ignored each other! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I am glad to hear that mate but whatever you do, don't drop your guard.
They might not be very bright but they have extraordinary memories and much more patience than us westerners.
my advice would be to give gal 1 a heads up, buy a drink, apologize, do what you have to do. friction occurs when suddenly gal 1 finds out from her friends that you (her customer) has been fkn around ==== she loses face, etc.
in cebu, i recently did two sisters on consecutive nights from different bars (long story). i asked for permission, got it, and actually had the first sis on a later date. fairly good gfe, and i've also met two cousins, one at the bar and one at a disco just by chance after sis 1's first barfine.
unfortunately, the two sis as a team seem to be out of the question, since wr and i both tried. i'm pretty sure sis 1 is up to finding some cousins or friends for something freaky. but i've digressed all the way to cebu. x
has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?
i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.
i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.
WestCoast1
08-07-10, 17:01
yep. true. i was at agasya and wanted to bf a girl badly on my last night. i think it was camille. but some koreans beat me to buying her an ld. i just about lost all hope, but the waitress said to me be patient and just wait, they are just there to get her company not to bf her, ordered food for the table, bought lots of ld etc..
then they left. and i got to bf her.yes, thanks pb, i could not remember the name of the place next to body shop. my gf from body shop said the japanese men come in groups, sit in the bar for hours, have several girls sit with them, buy ladies drinks for an hour or two, shoot the crap, watch the dancing, and then would leave, taking no girls. another barfine girl of mine said she was traveling a korean guy (mulitple night barfine) and his buddies, they would go from bar to bar like this, chatting up a bunch of girls and buying ld, at the end of the night they would call it quits, and only some of them would barfine a girl. i asked her if she got barfined to be his 'eye-candy'; she said yes, that in 3 nights of barfine they had sex one time, quickly, he didnt seem interested in her for sex.
in a similar note, on adriatico in malate are several of these ktv places. i went in one night, sat, had to pay a hefty amount for a beer, and was immediately offered a girl to sit with me for half an hour for p1000. forgive me, i did it. its the only time. i wanted to experience this thing, paying for a girl to sit with you. for about the same price back then, i could have walked to lac and grabbed a girl st. i chose a girl. we sat and talked a bit. there was a group of about 5-6 japanese men sitting at another set of tables (several tables pulled together), with as many girls. they too were paying for the girls to sit and chat. it was 1am. i asked the girl if that was common, to pay for chat only. she said yes, its how their business was run. the girl was pretty, sweet, and intelligent. during our chat the japanese men finished their drinks and left. the girl said the oriental men often drop, as a group 30,000 pesos in a night for a few hours drinking. they tip large she said.
has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?
i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.
i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.
yep.
did that...i dont wanto to be boastful but i am a kind of man***** when i am in the phiils lol..
i did that way back when i was barfine at "the club"..i took every night some other girl out...who cares.. lol
i had a steady girl in atlantis..siince 2 years i think i report here about her....one day she did introduce me to her co workers..since that day i liked her coworker..
no hard feelings. except sometimes she pull some beer over me, well.....pinays love butterflys..you have to be a man***** :d
blink
Yes, thanks PB, I could not remember the name of the place next to Body Shop. My gf from Body Shop said the japanese men come in groups, sit in the bar for hours, have several girls sit with them, buy ladies drinks for an hour or two, shoot the crap, watch the dancing, and then would leave, taking no girls. Another barfine girl of mine said she was traveling a korean guy (mulitple night barfine) and his buddies, they would go from bar to bar like this, chatting up a bunch of girls and buying LD, at the end of the night they would call it quits, and only some of them would barfine a girl. I asked her if she got barfined to be his 'eye-candy'; she said yes, that in 3 nights of barfine they had sex one time, quickly, he didnt seem interested in her for sex.
In a similar note, on Adriatico in Malate are several of these KTV places. I went in one night, sat, had to pay a hefty amount for a beer, and was immediately offered a girl to sit with me for half an hour for p1000. Forgive me, I did it. Its the only time. I wanted to experience this thing, paying for a girl to sit with you. For about the same price back then, I could have walked to LAC and grabbed a girl ST. I chose a girl. We sat and talked a bit. There was a group of about 5-6 japanese men sitting at another set of tables (several tables pulled together), with as many girls. They too were paying for the girls to sit and chat. It was 1am. I asked the girl if that was common, to pay for chat only. She said yes, its how their business was run. The girl was pretty, sweet, and intelligent. During our chat the japanese men finished their drinks and left. The girl said the oriental men often drop, as a group 30,000 pesos in a night for a few hours drinking. They tip large she said.
hi,
the thing is, specially if you get older..does it make fun to pay a lot if yoiu can get it cheaper of if you can get if for free..or lets say make her to your GF?
I am maybe the romantic guy. somebody called me I am the devil LOL.
anyway I had a GF from Qcity who worked in various clubs along queton blvd
dot think if you have a smart chatter that the girl is snart too....maybe street smart
pinays are dumb. trust me....only a few who travelled to other countries and experienced a good educattion are very smart...trust me i work with 300 pinoy idiots...4 are smart
Anyway its normal that those girls earn on drinks and on a fee paid to them.
I suggest you give Miss Universal a try (Pasay) and let me know if the girls are mot hot there or at your place
Blink
Yes. happen several times for me and sometimes it was a problem as others may act different towards me if I picked one from before and she really liked me. Other times no problems so depends on who you pick up at the same bar as the ladies could be close friends.
IN some cases they may really like you or be in dreamland that your only interested in her. The reality for most is that your the "payday" and it all comes down to pesos.
They can get real pissy and childish and I have even heard of them giving each other a good old fashion shit kicking. They are pretty competitive, especially the higher earners.
Why bother with the drama, there are just too many bars and I never see a reason to stir up shit with them. Be discrete or at least put some time between barfines at the same establishment.
Hi,
The thing is, specially if you get older. Does it make fun to pay a lot if yoiu can get it cheaper of if you can get if for free. Or lets say make her to your GF?
I am maybe the romantic guy. Somebody called me I am the devil LOL.
Anyway I had a GF from Qcity who worked in various clubs along queton blvd
Dot think if you have a smart chatter that the girl is snart too. Maybe street smart
Pinays are dumb. Trust me. Only a few who travelled to other countries and experienced a good educattion are very smart. trust me I work with 300 pinoy idiots. 4 are smart
Anyway its normal that those girls earn on drinks and on a fee paid to them.
I suggest you give Miss Universal a try (Pasay) and let me know if the girls are mot hot there or at your place
BlinkHmmm, I can't really pinpoint it but something about this post causes my sensors for irony to tingle just a tiny bit. LOL
WestCoast1
08-08-10, 02:05
has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?
i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.
i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.yes, it can be a mistake. have gone into the same bar twice, taking a different girl each time. have gotten the cold shoulder the second night from the first girl (crossed arms, the glare) and her friends for buying a different gal a drink. maybe i should have taken a night off between. or maybe screw the first girl, this is the business.
on the other hand, no. i can't tell you how many bargirls have attempted to act as a pimp in acquiring another girl for me (either in addition to herself, or away from herself, outside of the bar). maybe the barfine gal does not like doing something in my list of goodies. "you want my friend tomorrow? she not in a bar she live with me. she can come here on the afternoon. p500?" hence, no jealousy.
I now recall one occasion where I BF a different girl on the same trip in the same bar (Crystal Palace). The first girl though GFE (was a pro and a real stunner that had no problems getting BF). But when I decided to go back for a different girl I had been wanting (who was a little more introverted). I hung out on Level 2 where I was less visible to the first girl (usually based on Level 1). And when I did BF the 2nd girl, we left via Dollhouse Level 2, then main Dollhouse exit.
At a smaller bar than would be more challenging.
IN some cases they may really like you or be in dreamland that your only interested in her. The reality for most is that your the "payday" and it all comes down to pesos.
They can get real pissy and childish and I have even heard of them giving each other a good old fashion shit kicking. They are pretty competitive, especially the higher earners.
Why bother with the drama, there are just too many bars and I never see a reason to stir up shit with them. Be discrete or at least put some time between barfines at the same establishment.
i now recall one occasion where i bf a different girl on the same trip in the same bar (crystal palace). the first girl though gfe (was a pro and a real stunner that had no problems getting bf). but when i decided to go back for a different girl i had been wanting (who was a little more introverted). i hung out on level 2 where i was less visible to the first girl (usually based on level 1). and when i did bf the 2nd girl, we left via dollhouse level 2, then main dollhouse exit.
at a smaller bar than would be more challenging.i have bf from the same bar before and eventually overcame the fact that the girls may talk stink about me but it's okay because they don't say it to my face; it' bad business. the girls know why we are in angeles and now that's what i disclose all the time, "i am a butterfly." as long as you tip well, treat them good, and don't get caught in a lie, the girls seem to be okay.
Market is already spoiled! Can't unspoil it either.
Most of the good mongering spots in the world have been spoiled. You can thank the internet for that!Wow mates. I guess that would explain one of the reasons why the pinays love the Korean and Japanese guys so much; they are the ones tipping the most. I'll be a little more mindful on not to add to the spoiled market. My average tip would range from 1000 to 1500P; this would be after a night of bar hopping, drinks, and food.
Why not? I do that quite regularly and never faced any problems! If one girl is really pissed off, then so be it! Not my issue! This kind of competition is their problem, not ours, or am I wrong?
Cheers!
HesekielsTrue, I BF many girls from the same bar. Im friendly & quite open about why Im there. On entering a bar & asked what would I like I smile & say "I want cold beer & hot pussy".
They almost always laugh, relax & say "At least you're honest".
I don't 'fall in love' with my bar fine or bullshit them that way, Im not stingy if they give me a good time. I usually have terrific sex, probably partly because the word gets around amongst them that Im straight up & not bad in the sack either.
When I go back I am welcomed by the mamasan & the girls.
Yes some a girl's will get ideas about trying to snag me as a boyfriend.
AV
Undakovabrotha
08-08-10, 16:51
They hit a friend of mine on the same day.
Similar story, but he got his wallet back before the pass off.
Never bring your wallet when mongering. Just bring your cash and place in the front pocket only.
Undakovabrotha
08-08-10, 17:21
Makati has hot girls on Burgos. Girls there are about P2000 for a barfine. Tip would be about P3000-P4000. The tip should be discussed before paying the barfine. You can sometimes negotiate the tip. At AC on Field's Avenue at night, a girl can range from P1300-P3000. The more expensive girls are usually showgirls and you can find them at DollHouse, Atlantis, Chrystal Palace, Forbidden City, etc. Tip is up to you. I have heard of guys tipping anywhere from P500-P3000. As for Borocay, I am still in process of visiting that beautiful area. All I heard about that place is that it would be best if you already have a girl to take rather than finding one there. Hope this helps mate and if anyone else has suggestions regarding Borocay, I would also gladly appreciate it as well.
Thank you in advance.
I guess I should chime in.
I think you all are tipping a little too much. Think about it, you feed them in the morning and you pay for their trike. Why tip them more than P500 or P600? They still want to come back. I have had no problem tipping them P500 with no breakfast and no trike fare. They are calling me the next evening to BF. Remember you have the upper hand. I know they want to give you a guilt trip about their kids and family back home. Can you imagine how many guys they tell that story too?? I promise, P500 is enough. And, if they do a fantastic job, maybe P600 with breakfast and trike.
My 2 cents
Unda
hey guys,
I am slightly surprised on the amounts being reported here in the tipping dept.
Many of you probably have way more exeperience than I have of the area, but I still have done my share of BFs in AC and Subic. My buddies who have much more experience of that scene told me when I first went there that 300-500 would be a good enough tip. Then when reading reports here about year ago, I could see there was a rather large range so I figured I might get it out of the girls what is expected, what is a low and high tip.
Of course they would not say at first. Would repeat "up to you", "nothing, just what you like" etc. After putting into place some tricky interrogation tactics, I basically found out this:
Tip from 0-300 is regarded as rather low for LT where the girl thinks she provided good services and stayed until morning or longer.
There was a general consensus that 300 was an ok tip and they would not b*tch about it to the other girls. They considered 300 kind of normal
500 was by all considered a good tip
None would expect to get a tip for ST
The sample was something like 6 or 7 girls from different establishements in AC and Barrio (Subic). I was not asking them at the time of the tip, but rather doing an online chat or chat in other surroundings than at the bar so the answers were not directly linked to a time of payment.
So, I usually tip 300-500 for good service. Have never tipped more than 500 and never for short time. Yeah, I know, some might say "you cheap bastards, this money is nothing for you", but I subscribe to the theory not to flaunt money more than I necessarily have to in any place of the world.
Anyways, just my 2 cents here, does not upset me if someone is IMO "overtipping", but I think it is good to know what is considered the norm (well, might have to be more than 6-7 girls sample to represent the norm, but they were all on the same line with almost no deviation on the amounts).
The data is however almost 1 year old so things might have changed although I have stuck to the above amounts. Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high
Undakovabrotha
08-08-10, 22:27
hey guys,
I am slightly surprised on the amounts being reported here in the tipping dept.
Many of you probably have way more exeperience than I have of the area, but I still have done my share of BFs in AC and Subic. My buddies who have much more experience of that scene told me when I first went there that 300-500 would be a good enough tip. Then when reading reports here about year ago, I could see there was a rather large range so I figured I might get it out of the girls what is expected, what is a low and high tip.
Of course they would not say at first. Would repeat "up to you", "nothing, just what you like" etc. After putting into place some tricky interrogation tactics, I basically found out this:
Tip from 0-300 is regarded as rather low for LT where the girl thinks she provided good services and stayed until morning or longer.
There was a general consensus that 300 was an ok tip and they would not b*tch about it to the other girls. They considered 300 kind of normal
500 was by all considered a good tip
None would expect to get a tip for ST
The sample was something like 6 or 7 girls from different establishements in AC and Barrio (Subic). I was not asking them at the time of the tip, but rather doing an online chat or chat in other surroundings than at the bar so the answers were not directly linked to a time of payment.
So, I usually tip 300-500 for good service. Have never tipped more than 500 and never for short time. Yeah, I know, some might say "you cheap bastards, this money is nothing for you", but I subscribe to the theory not to flaunt money more than I necessarily have to in any place of the world.
Anyways, just my 2 cents here, does not upset me if someone is IMO "overtipping", but I think it is good to know what is considered the norm (well, might have to be more than 6-7 girls sample to represent the norm, but they were all on the same line with almost no deviation on the amounts).
The data is however almost 1 year old so things might have changed although I have stuck to the above amounts. Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high
Thanks for reconfirming. I am freaking out on how much they are tipping.
So, I usually tip 300-500 for good service. Have never tipped more than 500 and never for short time. Yeah, I know, some might say "you cheap bastards, this money is nothing for you", but I subscribe to the theory not to flaunt money more than I necessarily have to in any place of the world.
The data is however almost 1 year old so things might have changed although I have stuck to the above amounts. Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high
I am exactly the same. No tip ST. LT-300 peso bad to OK service. 500 for GREAT service, i.e. Carmex really happy, or I think the girl worked very hard to please regardless of the outcome.
Only had one girl ever complain about 300 peso LT but that girl complained about everything from the moment she left the bar.
Have received much confirmation that 500 is a really good tip for LT.
My data is also 1 yr old, but I cannot believe times have changed that much. Some guys don't tip at all.
WestCoast1
08-09-10, 00:07
Thanks for reconfirming. I am freaking out on how much they are tipping.Same.
Feel free to reference this Jakarta post (mine), on what the men there are paying and tipping freelancers. Some gents there have gotten into the habit of tipping more than the girls are asking for a Short Time. No kidding, some of the gents I met there (and who have posted so on the JKT thread) are getting into the habit there of paying twice the going rate for girls (600k when the girls are happy to work for 300k - as posted by other gents and myself), THEN they are tipping another 300. Nice guys? You bet. Spoiling the market? You bet.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1039688&postcount=4575
The AC gents will tip whatever they tip. However, AC bargirls are happy to have the work even when they don't get tipped anything (and they don't complain). Do most of us give them at least some tryke money home? Sure. Some give more. But if you are giving her p500, you are nearly doubling her salary (she gets p700 of the 1400 barfine). If you are giving her p1000, 1500, or 2000 (see recent posts, this thread), you are tipping more than her daily pay, or 2x, or 3x.
It isn't a matter of being cheap charlie. If you read the Jakarta item from above, you will see that I said there it makes little difference to me how much I give the girl. $30 for LT? $50? Who cares? I'm only in AC a few nights, maybe a week. The extra money means little to me. Therefore cheap charlie goes out the window. Its a matter of creating an expectation on the part of the girls. Proof? From Henio's recent post:
"Tip from 0-300 is regarded as rather low for LT where the girl thinks she provided good services and stayed until morning or longer."
Where the hell did THAT come from in AC? Its recent, as one year ago I had two bargirls mention a tip in the morning, before I had the chance to drop it on them. I was a bit surprised at that.
A different perspective. A waitress in a restraunt makes $75/day. When I'm having a $10 breakfast, I drop $2 on the table (certainly a 20% tip is not cheap charlie). Another gent (who loves to tip) drops $100, or $200 on the table (more than her salary, similar to the AC bargirl). Will she LOVE that big tip? Sure. Has she done anything to earn it? Probably not. Her level of service next time she runs into me? She will not be nearly as eager to give a high level of service, which she should to every customer.
How important is the tip to the girl? It can't be as important as being nice to them (polite), and having a good time (out for a drink or bite to eat before heading off to the hotel, or breakfast in the morning). No kidding, those things count for more than the tip. Don't believe it? 3 in 10 of my new AC barfines will still be with me at lunch the next day -- that's after breakfast and the p100 tip, they stay into the afternoon. I have several previous former barfine girls (dancers and waitresses) that are happy to come find me after their shift ends, head out for some food, back to my place for the night, and spend the next day, repeating again at 1am when the shift ends. They never ask for money; I often drop p500 in her purse when they do that. Sometimes I barfine one of them; it makes her day.
Seeing it better now? She's willing to bang evening, morning, and hang the next day; all for meals and 500 pesos. THEN she will do it again. If she's a new barfine, she's willing to do all that for p700 (half the barfine). Some of you are tipping more than her total expectation. When you tip large like that, it pleases the girl, makes you appear generous (you are), and creates an expectation on the girls part for other guys (reference Henio).
Member #4698
08-09-10, 01:10
Tip from 0-300 is regarded as rather low for LT where the girl thinks she provided good services and stayed until morning or longer.
There was a general consensus that 300 was an ok tip and they would not b*tch about it to the other girls. 500 was by all considered a good tip None would expect to get a tip for ST
I agree with the parameters on tipping set forth in the previous posts. And I certainly don't want to confuse anybody not familiar with the P4P scene in PI, but the pricing and tipping norms in AC are completely different than the pricing structure in MNL where much higher "tips" are expected.
If you head down to Manila (Burgos to be exact) expect to pay a lot more. The barfines are in the 1500p - 2000p range and the girls will expect 2500p - 3000p ST and 4000p and up for LT quality service. It's a different world. I think the word tip is misleading in MNL. Think of it as the service charge. Drinks are a lot more expensive too.
WestCoast1
08-09-10, 01:54
If you head down to Manila (Burgos to be exact) expect to pay a lot more. The barfines are in the 1500p - 2000p range and the girls will expect 2500p - 3000p ST and 4000p and up for LT quality service. It's a different world. I think the word tip is misleading in MNL. Think of it as the service charge. Drinks are a lot more expensive too.Yes Nat. For LT:
+ Burgos barfine 2000+2500tip+drink is maybe p5000 (I understand EDSA similar).
+ AC barfine+tip+drink p1500-2000.
+ Cebu barfine recently was p1700+tip for p1800-2000. I asked a mama if a tip was necessary; she said its up to the customer but not necessary.
+ Freelancers in Manila p1500+100tip was p1600. One recently offered friends for future sessions, then offered a 3-some, and brought another girl the next evening for a wild marathon session. Agreed in advance was LT for both girls to include breakfast, p2000 total. They came back multiple nights.
+ Freelancers in Cebu were recently happy at p1000+100tip for p1100. Two of these not only asked for a repeat, but also offered up their friend/cousin for service.
What do you gents give chat-mates? I slip them p500 for an afternoon session, p1000 if they spend the night. Or, if we are in the mall after breakfast and I have not given them anything yet, I buy them some stuff. My chat-mates almost always want another chance, or don't want to leave at all. On occasion I have one refuse the money, asking only taxi money.
Just to clarify a few of the details regarding pricing on Burgos in Makati...
-Barfines on Burgos are calculated using the following formula:
1 BF (barfine) = 10 LDs (lady's drinks).
-There was a time (many a moon ago!) when the number of lady's drinks consumed in the bar was knocked off the BF tab. So, for example, if the lady's drinks cost 200P, and you buy your companion 3 LD's in the bar, then decide to BF her, the BF will be 2000P-600P = 1400P.
Alas, this sensible, customer-friendly system went the way of the 25 cent cup of coffee some years ago.
-Late at night (or rather early in the morning!), when a bar is fairly quiet and business is slow, the mamasan does have some leeway to 'discount' the BF by a few hundred pesos. It never hurts to ask.
-The cheapest barfines of the bars on Burgos are in Rogues (1600P during happy hour until 10pm), and in Blush pub (upstairs), which is roughly the same as Rogues. Given the above explanation, the LDs in these bars are 160P (Happy Hour in Rogues, or 250 after 10pm)
-The next tier of BFs include bars such as Flamingo, Stardust, Hollywood, Pussycats, and a couple of others. Their BFs range from 2200P to 2950P. Once again, you can calculate the LDs as 220P to 295P.
-Almost all of the other main bars on Burgos charge 350P or 390P for LDs, which means their BFs are 3500P or 3900P.
-When you buy a gal a LD, she will get from 50P to 100P commission, depending on the cost of the LD. For most gals, this is the main part of their salary. A strategy I often employ is to buy a gal one LD, and then, when she has finished the drink and the waitress comes to ask if I want to buy my gal another LD, I decline. However, at that point, (providing I want her to keep chatting with me), I tell my gal not to worry, that I will leave her a tip instead. This works out cheaper for me and better for her. When I leave I will leave the gal anywhere from 100P to 500P depending on how long she was with me in the bar and how, er, friendly she was.
-Normally, the mamasan does not get any of the BF money, but this varies somewhat with a few places giving a token commission to the mamasan. Obviously, in those places, the mamasan may have a tendency to push for you to BF your gal.
-Likewise, I have had girls in some bars tell me that they get nothing from the BF, only the 'tip' the customer pays her. Other gals have told me that they get up to 10% of the BF.
-When you BF a gal from a Burgos bar, the 'default mode' will be LT (all night). However, it is a very good idea to clarify this with the gal before paying the BF.
-On Burgos, the 'tip' you pay the gal should not be viewed as optional--it is definitely expected. The amount, of course, is somewhat flexible, based on the performance of the gal and the amount of time she stays with you. My general rule for a gal I BF LT from a Burgos bar is 3000P for the girl in the morning, providing she was not a total disappointment, and/or did not have a major attitude problem. However, if you BF an absolute stunner who is obviously the star dancer in one of the more expensive bars, it would be a good idea to have a little chat with her about money before paying the BF.
-When it comes time to paying the gal before she leaves your room, a bit of sensitivity and delicacy is always appreciated. I normally, in plain view so she knows what I am doing, put the folded bills in her hand bag or in her pocket without fanfare, just saying something like, 'I had a very nice time with you, that's a little something for your _____'. (fill in the blank, eg 'studies', 'son/daughter', 'family', 'transportation back to your province', etc... whatever makes sense given what you have been talking about while together). I never put the money directly into her hand, as it is just too much like a business transaction for me, and it will make her uncomfortable.
-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.
Manta Ray
Yes Nat. For LT:
+ Burgos barfine 2000+2500tip+drink is maybe p5000 (I understand EDSA similar).
+ AC barfine+tip+drink p1500-2000.
+ Cebu barfine recently was p1700+tip for p1800-2000. I asked a mama if a tip was necessary; she said its up to the customer but not necessary.
+ Freelancers in Manila p1500+100tip was p1600. One recently offered friends for future sessions, then offered a 3-some, and brought another girl the next evening for a wild marathon session. Agreed in advance was LT for both girls to include breakfast, p2000 total. They came back multiple nights.
+ Freelancers in Cebu were recently happy at p1000+100tip for p1100. Two of these not only asked for a repeat, but also offered up their friend/cousin for service.
What do you gents give chat-mates? I slip them p500 for an afternoon session, p1000 if they spend the night. Or, if we are in the mall after breakfast and I have not given them anything yet, I buy them some stuff. My chat-mates almost always want another chance, or don't want to leave at all. On occasion I have one refuse the money, asking only taxi money.
Your prices tally with my experiences although I usually end up paying 3K + 3K Php in Burgos for routine girls (& more for stunners).
In AC I pay the 1350 -1550 php bar fine & I've never had a girl ask me for more the next day. I always have a cache of gifts (perfumed soap/talcum) which seems to put them more in a GF frame of mind than a hooker. Usually there the girl picks me rather than the other way around :)
Internet pick up's usually try to come on as GF's so I play that for all its worth dont offer money instead take them shopping. ;)
AV
Tally Wacker
08-09-10, 06:21
Yep thats the ticket. They all like to be charmed with small gifts and feel speacial. It goes a long way.
I gave me girls Chocolates, Panties and small Stuffed Animals in a Gift Bag.
I did not cost much and they were very happy.
Your prices tally with my experiences although I usually end up paying 3K + 3K Php in Burgos for routine girls (& more for stunners).
In AC I pay the 1350 -1550 php bar fine & I've never had a girl ask me for more the next day. I always have a cache of gifts (perfumed soap/talcum) which seems to put them more in a GF frame of mind than a hooker. Usually there the girl picks me rather than the other way around :)
Internet pick up's usually try to come on as GF's so I play that for all its worth dont offer money instead take them shopping. ;)
AV
WestCoast1
08-09-10, 06:35
-When it comes time to paying the gal before she leaves your room, a bit of sensitivity and delicacy is always appreciated. I normally, in plain view so she knows what I am doing, put the folded bills in her hand bag or in her pocket without fanfare, just saying something like, 'I had a very nice time with you, that's a little something for your _____'. (fill in the blank, eg 'studies', 'son/daughter', 'family', 'transportation back to your province', etc... whatever makes sense given what you have been talking about while together). I never put the money directly into her hand, as it is just too much like a business transaction for me, and it will make her uncomfortable.
-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.
Manta RayManta, great research and report. Yes, I think if I gave a bar p3000, then the girl p3000, I would not give her transportation money either. Recently my Havana Cafe Greenbelt chatmate did not show. It was a Friday evening and there were tons of girls there, outside especially towards the other coffee shop as you come out of HC and turn right, and past Starbucks -- Bo's? San Francisco Coffee? Something Bean? Towards the exit and taxis. Bunches of nicely dressed girls in their 20's/30's. When I entered that way about 8pm, I got several girls reaching out to touch me, "Sir, where are you going?" I thought that rather brazen, the touch on my sleeve or pant leg. I waited my date 90 minutes late (several drinks, apetizer). Repeated txts she is on her way, but I finally left. When I was on my way out in the same direction, towards the taxis, again several ladies hit me with "Sir where are you going?" But no touching this time.
I took off for Burgos. In the place along Makati Ave, right near the corner of Burgos, I think it's Wild West? The barfine was p2200 quoted from the mama, who massaged my shoulders for a few minutes. Two years ago it was p2200, one year ago it was p3000 there. She left and a dancer departed the stage, went to the dressing room, and came out shortly with a long kind of shirt over her bikini. She started chatting me up, then started a massage. I asked her the barfine and she said 2200 also. I asked if I she was interested in barfining, she said yes, and before I could say anything she asked if I could give her p1000 tip in the morning. No lady drink had been purchased. Normally I don't pay 3000 pesos for talent, but I was not in the mood to head back to Greenbelt to try and dicker, so I told her yes if she could stay for breakfast, otherwise there would be no tip. Ran thru my list of needs. She was fine with that. Confirmed with the mama that she would have breakfast with me, and we're off. My hotel was in Malate, it was a 20+ minute ride back. In the taxi I asked how much of the barfine she keeps before my tip, she said p1000, so she would make p2000 for the evening. She was enthusiastic the first pop, and she was sweet and attempted a pop in the morning, but I was not up for it. I dropped the tip into her purse, the 1000 she requested. We got muffins and coffee at Starbucks in Robinson's, then walked the mall a bit. I put her in a taxi around 11am.
Same MR, I like to put the money in her purse when she's showering, and tell her I left something in her purse for her expenses.
I can only imagine a similar discussion going on in a Korean/Japanese version of ISG. That might go something like this...."The Caucasians are so cheap, they only tip P300-P500, some don't tip at all, and they wonder why the girls don't easily flock to them, their dicks are too big, they last too long, blah blah, etc, etc...." LOL.
Agreed with most.
P0 = They leave early (only happened once.)
P300 = OK Service or LT but no morning round 2
P500 = LT, Great GFE + minimum round 2 in the morning. (most common)
P1000 = Only 1 girl did I do this, she stays until her next shift (6pm+) she see's me on "her day off" and I did not have to pay her BF. This saves me a lot of money cos I don't have to buy LD. I thought it fair to share the spoils.
Just to clarify a few of the details regarding pricing on Burgos in Makati..................
-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.
Manta Ray
Fantastic post MR.
Very clear and to the point about prices - I agree with your philosophy regarding helping the girls too.
Looking forward to the next night out together.
I do feel a bit left out though by the fact that every girl in Burgos seems to know you and by name too.
They only notice me after the dust has settled LOL.
i can only imagine a similar discussion going on in a korean/japanese version of isg. that might go something like this...."the caucasians are so cheap, they only tip p300-p500, some don't tip at all, and they wonder why the girls don't easily flock to them, their dicks are too big, they last too long, blah blah, etc, etc...." lol.
some girls do flock to caucasions because the want to get fucked by a big cock! some of these girls give it up for free too!
Hello to all,
Good reports about Burgos.
Of course you can always talk into the girls to meet you after the bar or next day. I spent them a LD, get their number and txt them to meet up.
I dont like to pay the high barfines. Its to much. I would pay for a pretty one, apparently the girls on Burgos have a overall better set up but in the looks department they are just the same as the hookers in AC, while AC has got a wide range of girls to chose from.
I mean a hooker is a hooker, so dont expect to barfine Miss Philippines in those kind of bars. I live here, so its more fun for me to f..ck non working girls, e. g. girls with a job or students. However I like to have a cold SM light at the evening and its fun to visit places as Burgos or Edsa(if my buddy drives, cause I hate traffic LOL) and look up whats new over there.
Good thing is, I am not into a pressure to take girls, cause I live there and have my contacts. So I understand guys who there for 2 weeks per year in order to relieve some stress LOL. However, dont spoil the prices. Girls need us, if a girl gives you a hard time, walk away and look up another one who is interested at you. Its a business, you go there to get laid, not to look for a wife, right?
Keep up the good work!
Blink
WestCoast1
08-09-10, 14:48
Hello to all,
Good reports about Burgos.
I dont like to pay the high barfines. Its to much.
I mean a hooker is a hooker,
BlinkBlink, concur. I have paid higher prices in the past, sometimes p3000+ for a girl. I paid nearly that also to sit and chat (only) a girl in a KTV place. But these are rare occurances for me. The girl in the bar is little different than the streetwalkers outside. Prettier? Yes in general. But you can find freelancers just as pretty. On Burgos you can pay p5000 in the bar for an evening, or you can pay p1500 on the street.
I don't post here but I follow the fellow mongers' posts. Last three days, I stayed in Pacific Breeze in AC. I can assure you that Motel 6 of USA is far better than this hotel. Previously I stayed in ABC.
Pacific Breeze has a security problem. You can not even close the room door properly. Service is less than desirable. Price of $57/a night is too much for this place. Pay a little bit more and stay in a better place. However, it's location is awesome.
AC bored me and now I am in Cebu.
Pharmacies are refusing to sell them without a prescription.
Manson's sold me a box but others are refusing.
p0 = they leave early (only happened once.)
p300 = ok service or lt but no morning round 2
p500 = lt, great gfe + minimum round 2 in the morning. (most common)
p1000 = only 1 girl did i do this, she stays until her next shift (6pm+) she see's me on "her day off" and i did not have to pay her bf. this saves me a lot of money cos i don't have to buy ld. i thought it fair to share the spoils.
i totally agree with poopbunny's tipping range! that's exactly my approach as well and imho these amounts are 'fair'!
so, and in 20 minutes i am on fields again! :)
cheers!
hesekiels
IN some cases they may really like you or be in dreamland that your only interested in her. The reality for most is that your the "payday" and it all comes down to pesos.
They can get real pissy and childish and I have even heard of them giving each other a good old fashion shit kicking. They are pretty competitive, especially the higher earners.
Why bother with the drama, there are just too many bars and I never see a reason to stir up shit with them. Be discrete or at least put some time between barfines at the same establishment.
It's difficult to be totally discrete as I often have my favorite bars and very little time in AC. If I happen to see another cute lady I like in the same bar from nite before and choose her instead of the previous one then I let it all act out. If it proves too difficult with personal attitudes and vibes then I just skip it with my pick of the nite and move on.
Shark
Some girls do flock to caucasions because the want to get fucked by a big cock! Some of these girls give it up for free too!
Also, some will flock to us because they know they have a better chance of bagging one of us rather than a Jap or Korean, as alot more of us falls for the pinoys= this holds the same in LOS during all the many years I monger there.
Have to remember about the pinoys: one of the main ladies dreams is to be away from PI and hopefully live in US or Australia or another "english" speaking country. Communication is a problem for them if a Jap or Korean really likes them and takes them to their country.
Shark
Phantomtiger2
08-11-10, 00:00
1), I could see there was a rather large range so I figured I might get it out of the girls what is expected, what is a low and high tip.
2)None would expect to get a tip for ST
3). Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high
1) The range is very large indeed as it will always depend on the individual or the tipping culture you grew up with.
Range could be $0 tips (if the lady sucked in performance or didn't live up to your agreements or a runner) to out of this world (I've seen 2 Jap guys sitting next to me drop 10,000p tips to just one lady and didn't even BF the lady for the nite.
2) Not always true. I often give a small tip, about 100-150p to the lady in a ST bar if she was good to me. Zero tips if she was so-so or avg. at these ST places.
ex: Forgot the name of the bar or girl on Santos BJ place. She was not a true looker but was ok in looks if you don't look too closely at her 2 missing front teeth. But she was always very friendly and gave excellent service to me. Once I was so very tired and couldn't cum but she refused to give up and kept at it even as I told her she didn't have to. Everytime I got a little limp, she stop her cowgirl and gave me a good BJ to get me hard again. She did this routine non-stop for over 20min until I was finally able to cum. So thats what I meant by very good service and gave her 150p for her efforts , not because I had to tip her but I truly appreciated her efforts. Maybe some of you guys know her?
3) girls don't often say much about tipping other than if the idiots overtipped and then she will brag about it for the next 2 nites to her friends.
Most girls I tip don't even look or count it and just stuff it in their purse. One lady was honest and even said if I just gave her trike money back to her bar she'll be happy = that's about 75-100p to all you newbies in AC.
PT
but was ok in looks if you don't look too closely at her 2 missing front teeth.
. Maybe some of you guys know her?
Ha, isn't that sort of a contradiction in terms of looks?
Alright, can't laugh too much as you told me about her and I went to sample her services the next nite and she was indeed very good to me. The BJ seem much better when they don't have front teeth?. I think I ended up giving her 100p tips. If any of you guys do take her for service, do leave a nice tip to her as she is not a harden pro and is still very friendly. I only hope she saves a bit of the tip money to have false teeth put in and this will make her much prettier. She's only about 19-20y/o so have most of her live ahead of her.
Shark
Econo Tech
08-11-10, 06:06
also, some will flock to us because they know they have a better chance of bagging one of us rather than a jap or korean, as alot more of us falls for the pinoys= this holds the same in los during all the many years i monger there.well, not to intrude, but in my experience, almost all throw themselves at westerners for a) money, and b) more than money- a slight chance the guy will marry her.
been there, seen that. i once saw a german, who was smitten by a girl, and when i was bartending, called and asked how fast he can marry her and take her back to germany. i kid you not. he was serious enough. the next day, despite the girl being a hooker and was shacking up in her chicken coop apartment. the guy turned up with a half carat diamond, and proposed to the girl and. well, what could i say? i just told him to go for it.
99 out of 100 japs or koreans will never do such stuff, but when it comes to westerners who find the girls outgoing and fun. the ratio of success is about 5 out of 10. and not once, but too many times, i have met girls who head to singapore, to specifically marry a guy. and boy oh boy, more than half do succeed.
ps: no i'll-will but if anybody assumes the girls throw themelves at the guys for big cocks and all. all crap. i know enough girls in ac and pg who are more than double timing, with decent korean boyfriends, and these girls, while having an occasional fling or some fun with a westerner. will swear over their dead body that once you cross the invisible language barrier. they prefer asians.
to rub it in, i would hazard a guess than more than 75% of the ac girls do have filipino boyfriends, on the side, and after making the foreigner happy and making him believe that she is all his, will slip out to make love to the filipino. and too many times (again in my bartending days) i heard from girls that it is special when fucking a filipino. after all, when you have a language full of expressions, saying "fuck" or "oh shit' doesn't cut it.
try watching a filipino porn and get a filipina to translate the speech. it is more than 'wham bham, thank you ma'am. ' and try to understand tagalog songs, and some are bloody emotional in meaning that you need a thesaurus to understand what the song is all about.
and the regulars girls whom i have made love to are passionate, and 99% they start spewing stuff in tagalog. after all. it is a language beyond words. so they say, so they say
ps: above is my own personal opinion. no offense to nobody.
Went to Las Vegas last night and to my biggest surprise there was an excellent selection of girls! Particularly a couple of very attractive and friendly waitresses were really worth a barfine. However, at about 11pm finally I barfined one of them. Got an outstanding service and at 8am after the usual morning round she was qualified for a 500 pesos tip!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Just wondering if anyone has caught a taxi recently from Clark into Angeles city and if so, how much did it approximately cost?
I will be arriving on the 3:55 am flight from BKK and I will be staying at the Swagman in Diamond.
Are taxis more expensive at that time of the morning?
Thanks in advance
Osakagin
well, not to intrude, but in my experience, almost all throw themselves at westerners for a) money, and b) more than money- a slight chance the guy will marry her.
been there, seen that. i once saw a german, who was smitten by a girl, and when i was bartending, called and asked how fast he can marry her and take her back to germany. i kid you not. he was serious enough. the next day, despite the girl being a hooker and was shacking up in her chicken coop apartment. the guy turned up with a half carat diamond, and proposed to the girl and. well, what could i say? i just told him to go for it.
99 out of 100 japs or koreans will never do such stuff, but when it comes to westerners who find the girls outgoing and fun. the ratio of success is about 5 out of 10. and not once, but too many times, i have met girls who head to singapore, to specifically marry a guy. and boy oh boy, more than half do succeed.
ps: no i'll-will but if anybody assumes the girls throw themelves at the guys for big cocks and all. all crap. i know enough girls in ac and pg who are more than double timing, with decent korean boyfriends, and these girls, while having an occasional fling or some fun with a westerner. will swear over their dead body that once you cross the invisible language barrier. they prefer asians.
to rub it in, i would hazard a guess than more than 75% of the ac girls do have filipino boyfriends, on the side, and after making the foreigner happy and making him believe that she is all his, will slip out to make love to the filipino. and too many times (again in my bartending days) i heard from girls that it is special when fucking a filipino. after all, when you have a language full of expressions, saying "fuck" or "oh shit' doesn't cut it.
try watching a filipino porn and get a filipina to translate the speech. it is more than 'wham bham, thank you ma'am. ' and try to understand tagalog songs, and some are bloody emotional in meaning that you need a thesaurus to understand what the song is all about.
and the regulars girls whom i have made love to are passionate, and 99% they start spewing stuff in tagalog. after all. it is a language beyond words. so they say, so they say
ps: above is my own personal opinion. no offense to nobody.
i agree with your observations.
the double timing applies equally to non p4p girls in my experience.
the newbies don't want to listen however..
av
Just wondering if anyone has caught a taxi recently from Clark into Angeles city and if so, how much did it approximately cost?
I will be arriving on the 3:55 am flight from BKK and I will be staying at the Swagman in Diamond.
Are taxis more expensive at that time of the morning?
Thanks in advance
Osakagin
3 months ago I payed 300p to Fields at that time in the morning. But the guy tried to get 500 out of me. I stuck to my guns and got my price.
3 months ago I payed 300p to Fields at that time in the morning. But the guy tried to get 500 out of me. I stuck to my guns and got my price.
Cheers for that Amjeck as I now have a ball park figure to work with.
I hear that there are some new rules in AC. Can someone let us know what is going on and how it is working out
i hear that there are some new rules in ac. can someone let us know what is going on and how it is working outposted on one of the bars website:-
new guidlines for the bars in angeles
due to the volume of false rumors floating around and the “sky is falling” mentality on the local message boards, i though i would try to put things into perspective from my point of view and some observations from my years in angeles and discussions i have had in the years past with mayor edgardo pamintuan.
edgardo pamintuan was the mayor of angeles city from 1992 to 1998 and he was recently reelected again in 2010. he is a lawyer by trade with an extensive back ground in human rights. i have personally known him since the mid-90’s. i believe he was one of the best mayors i have seen in angeles city in the 30+ years i have been in angeles.
history:
on 2 august mayor edgardo pamintuan told attendees at a flag raising ceremony that he had been pressured by department of interior and local government (dilg) secretary jess robredo to close one to two thousand bars in angeles city. he said he told secretary robredo that there were less than 250 clubs in angeles city and there was no problem with [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) in the city. he further told the secretary that he would not close any of the bars because they were not involved in ‘[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).”
this apparently resulted in manila saying they would send teams to inspect all of the fields avenue and balibago establishments “in the next few weeks” to look for any [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) or **** prostitution within their operations. these were not secret inspections. all clubs were given advanced notice on august 6 & 7th via newspapers articles and notices published on local websites that warned that any establishments found guilty will most likely face an immediate and unconditional permanent closure as well as heavy jail sentences.
imo this should have served as a warning that all clubs should not push the envelope with special shows that inspectors or undercover media might find sensational.
on 8 aug ponytails bar situated on perimeter road, just past checkpoint, was raided by the cidg police. the bar was having a special event (who let the dogs out) which was advertised on their website indicating that it would included body painting and erotic shows. near the end of the event the girls were starting a “banana & whip cream show” when the club was raided. as of 10 august pony tails bar was still closed and indications are that it will remain closed . it should be noted that the cidg reportedly did not have a specific mission order signed by the mayor for this raid on pony tails.
at the recent city hall meeting following the raid at ponytails bar, many issues were discussed around the central [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) issue.
as a result, the mayor has ordered an all-out anti [CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909) mission to numerous departments and stations in the city, including the clark international airport; “to hunt and close down any establishment or syndicate group guilty of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).”
furthermore, the mayor has issued a new set of rules to be implemented at all nightlife establishments. the list of new rules are:
· no topless
· no body painting
· no see-through apparel
· no g-strings or thongs
· only one 'doorgirl' per bar
· ban of all special bar events which promote overly erotic shows
dejavu
during edgardo pamintuan first term as angeles city mayors in the 1990’s he started out with pretty much a hands off approach to fields ave. at that time angeles was just starting to recover from the devastation of the mount pinatubo eruptions. there were very few clubs, but they were bringing tourists back to angeles city and employing a significant number of filipinos in the clubs, hotels and restaurants that were starting to rebuild. then, as now, these tourist businesses accounted for a significant percentage of the city’s tax revenue.
in the early 90’s very few businesses in angeles city were on the internet, but a few enterprising filipino reporters did have internet. whenever they came across anything sensational they would work up an article for the national newspapers. a guy named rob valarie put up a website in the early 90’s about angeles and stated that you could get oral sex on santos street for the price of a cheeseburger. when this hit the newspapers the president put pressure on the mayor to clean up his town. a round of inspections followed and clubs with short time rooms were closed down for broken toilets, fire violations, etc.
not long after that, another sensational news article in the national press forced the mayors hand again. malacanang sent a top pnp general to angeles to check the story and close offending businesses. the mayors office sent word to the club owners of the impending inspections. one club had told the some staff from the mayors office to “f--- o--“ during a clean & green effort a few days before and the word was out that this would be their first stop. in fact, it was so well known that four of us got chairs and sat on top of the bar across the street waiting for the raid to occur. it happened on schedule, the bar was padlocked and the israeli owner left the country not long after that. the next stop for the team was archie’s bar, which in total disregard for the warnings had a banner hanging across fields avenue advertising a special show. the owner tried to throw the mayor and the general out of the club. it was padlocked and never reopened as archie’s.
more sensational news articles about lewd shows resulted in the organization of a vice squad, frequent inspections, and new guidelines for the clubs. these guidelines from gray (vice squad coordinator) included: no bikinis, bras & panties had to be worn under all dance costumes and the famous “no dancing like a snake.” despite these restrictions, angeles city was still a fun city.
where i’m going with all this is mayor pamintuan was never anti-bar or anti-foreigner. he only came out with new inspections, rules, or raid when he was pressured by manila to stop giving the whole country a bad name. and even when he did send in inspection teams, there was almost always some advance notice when they would be coming and what they would be looking for. it was the businesses that didn’t pay attention that suffered the consequences.
additionally, in those days is was rare that some undercover filipino went into a club and got the information. there were virtually no filipino guys in the clubs in those days. almost all the information came from foreigners posting stories or photos on the internet where some reporter could gather the information and write a story without leaving his desk.
still another major story came from a real unexpected source. a long term expat ran into a friendly australian one night and took him bar hopping and explained all the in’s and out’s to him. several months later this friendly australian published details of that night with photos in the australian edition of playboy. within days, morris was invited by some local police to leave the country asap.
this is now 2010 and everyone has internet including the mayor’s staff. the mayor has become internet savvy and even has his own face book page (http://www.facebook.com/edgardopamintuan).
today, anybody’s post on an open forum about a happening in angeles could result in the closure of establishments mentioned in that post. filipinos frequent all the clubs in the entertainment area. they see signs advertising special parties and it is very easy for them to attend and notify authorities of events that do not meet the mayor’s standards. all ac businesses should be aware that news paper articles or videos of lewd parties that end up on shows like imbestigador (gma-7) will likely bring some form of action by the current city management.
so, what i’m trying to say in this lengthy article is imo mayor pamintuan has no hidden agendas and is, in fact, very pro-expat & pro-foreign visitors. i believe he will allow the nightlife in balibago to continue to operate and will even support projects to make it a safer place for tourists. but, when he is called on the carpet by the president or other officials from manila he can only defend things so far. if a warning comes down from the mayors office like the one on august 6 & 7 that some new inspections are going to occur, prepare to be inspected. make sure your business is clean, take out the trash, check the fire extinguishers, put the staff in conservative uniforms, send the dancers that constantly have “wardrobe malfunctions” on vacation, don’t hang up banners advertising erotic shows, and by all means .. hide the bananas & whip cream.
furthermore, expats and tourists should use caution with what they post about angeles city and more importantly be careful not to post items in an open forum where it is likely to be picked up by a filipino reporter using google.
Globe Spinner
08-11-10, 23:16
I hear that there are some new rules in AC. Can someone let us know what is going on and how it is working out
Here's the link: http://angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=236
Another interesting article:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/crackdown-bars-holding-bold-shows-ordered
Punter 127
08-12-10, 02:00
Just wondering if anyone has caught a taxi recently from Clark into Angeles city and if so, how much did it approximately cost?
I will be arriving on the 3:55 am flight from BKK and I will be staying at the Swagman in Diamond.
Are taxis more expensive at that time of the morning?
Thanks in advance
OsakaginI was at Clark yesterday afternoon, the sign on the window says taxi to Angeles 500P. I had my hotel pick me up for 400P. I think both prices can be beat but you'll have to work at it.
Wild Rover
08-12-10, 03:09
I hear that there are some new rules in AC. Can someone let us know what is going on and how it is working outRe the new rules in Fields Ave, I was in dolls house and Atlantis bars last night just before midnight, girls now have to wear cycle shorts, no g strings or t backs allowed, no more topless dancing or rude shows like the banana licking etc, etc, strictly only one door girl and doors to be kept closed,
Needless to say there were no foreigners in the bars, Mamasan could not understand why I did not want to stay and have a drink, and watch the overdressed girls dancing,
Police major Tan is the enforcer for the Mayor, and can be sometimes seen cruising along Fields Ave with Angeles finest, (LOL) giving orders and instructions.
The Rooster1
08-12-10, 03:49
another interesting article:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/crackdown-bars-holding-bold-shows-ordered
couple dozen **** girls didn't help either...
According to those links 3 quarters of the bars or 770 are closed. 230 still open. Dont remember seeing 1000 bars, maybe 100 or so in AC sounds about right.
White Whale
08-12-10, 06:44
Just wondering if anyone has caught a taxi recently from Clark into Angeles city and if so, how much did it approximately cost?
I will be arriving on the 3:55 am flight from BKK and I will be staying at the Swagman in Diamond.
Are taxis more expensive at that time of the morning?
Thanks in advance
Osakagin
Just returned home from Subic, Sigh :(
I spotted a booth in SM Mall front of Hyper Market that provides taxi services. A taxi taxi from AC center to Clark is 300PHP *only*
I have understood I am not allowed to put phone number or email in forum but I have their their business card so PM me if you are interested. Google search warned about their web page potentally being harmful so I did not want to risk open it myself. Taxi service is real and working for promised price. I used it to get from Perimeter to Clark.
Econo Tech
08-12-10, 07:25
I agree with your observations.
The double timing applies equally to non P4P girls in my experience.
The newbies don't want to listen however..
AVLove is blind yeah. And not all bar girls are *****s yeah?
PS: I did really hear that from a guy who was convinced that not all bar girls are *****s, because the girl whom he was hitting on didn't spread her ware. And the funny stuff is when the woman was being screwed by me she gets a call from her admirer, and on speaker phone, the guy says he understands she is not like other girls and will wait for marriage to consummate the relationship. Damn Psychology games these girls have encoded in their genes.
Strikesfun
08-12-10, 15:19
Anneelke, Thanks for the update good summary and shows that this action will have a negative affect on the businesses. Should fields be shut down there is no reason to travel to this area, hotels and other business will suffer. What is sad is that all of the media information written is to sell papers, books and stories and is not true. Lets plan that things will quite down and life will go on generally not the same things rarely ever return to were they were.
Anneelke, Thanks for the update good summary and shows that this action will have a negative affect on the businesses. Should fields be shut down there is no reason to travel to this area, hotels and other business will suffer. What is sad is that all of the media information written is to sell papers, books and stories and is not true. Lets plan that things will quite down and life will go on generally not the same things rarely ever return to were they were.
So far AC bars have gotten away with everything. They never had bodypainting 10 years ago. At that time only few bars had shows but none can be termed naked or half naked. In the wake of LA cafe closing and all associated news coverage , suddenly all elected officials want to come across as moral crusaders. Soon it will be fully clothed dancers, the same as waitresses.
Every now and then they raid a bar here and there to show who is the Boss.
Those were of no consequence. What I heard now is they are checking to see who owns what and is it legal. Along with that they will check tax records, deed records etc causing many bars to close down. This will be bad for mongers because only stiff competition will hold down the prices.
How serious is these procedures will depend on whose hand is greased and how much. I hope being a corrupt political system in PHI this blows over or it is death knell for AC.
LoveAsianWhores
08-12-10, 21:16
I was in this bar about two months ago at about 9:00 or 10:00. Two girls come out, TOPLESS, and start squirting whipped cream at each other. At the time I thought that the bar was taking a big risk as it was well known that this type of action was not allowed on Fields, on anywhere else in the Philippines. Bars in Manila get shut down all the time for these types of "bold shows", as they are known in the Philippines. Of course, it goes on everwhere, but Fields is a little high profile for this. I go into AC bars on a regular basis, and from my experiance, Pony tails did have the boldest shows in town. Now, you have to wonder, what kind of retarded manager would want to have boldest shows in AC. If the authorities want to close down a bar to make a point, his bar will be at the top of the list. Pushing the envelope this way can also ruin it for everyone, because it is not the corrupt polititions that threaten AC, it is the moralistic ones. Make no mistake, a corrupt mayor of AC is FAR better then an honest one, like Mayor Lim of Manila.
Morals in the Philippines as it relates to bars is quite strange by western standards. You can fill the place with girls that you take home and fuck for $30, but they cannot take off their tops in the bar. Quite the opposite to the bars where I come from, where they are welcome to take off ALL their clothes, but will be closed down with smallest rumor of prositition taking place. Personnaly, I'll take the Philippines attitude any day. And while I enjoy a good sex show as much as the next guy, I lose interest in barfining any girl I see topless in a bar. They come accross to me as prostitutes, and I generally prefer the "nicer" girls in AC to take home (but I certainly understand that many will think differently to me on this).
So hopefully the manager of pony tails escaped the raid has left town and will not come back. Anyone who doesn't understand the basic rules of this town has no business running a bar here.
The Rooster1
08-13-10, 10:54
All is ok in AC.... Just some political propaganda and the U.S coming to town. The people in charge will not destroy their cashcow. Maybe Poneytails took a chance to push the envelope because they can and have the money. If the management was so bad they would of went after the other bars they own as well.
I don't know the stats, but with roughly 10 new bars opening in a year, that states a point. It's still progressing. I was out last night and maybe I seen some titties in the bar... So their not scared. Still short time to be had in the bars. When that goes away, then we should worry.
Soon as I get rid of this redhorse hangover I'm going to go out again tonight and see how many titties I can see in a night!!!!!!
And while I enjoy a good sex show as much as the next guy, I lose interest in barfining any girl I see topless in a bar. They come accross to me as prostitutes, and I generally prefer the "nicer" girls in AC to take home (but I certainly understand that many will think differently to me on this).
Same here. The girls I usually BF wear shorts or dress (in the case of Agasya/Atlantis).
I can only recall 1 topless BF bodypaint (actually prefer her without the bodypaint) possibly one more from Dollhouse in a thong but wrap see thru.
the gal who uses her tongue to imitate cksuking (pushing her tongue against her cheek) is a big turnoff for me. as for other sltty actions, tattoos, excessive jewelry, etc, i come to find that these gals can be quite nice once maneuvered into the bedroom.
don't judge a book by its cover.
same here. the girls i usually bf wear shorts or dress (in the case of agasya/atlantis).
i can only recall 1 topless bf bodypaint (actually prefer her without the bodypaint) possibly one more from dollhouse in a thong but wrap see thru.
Starchild2012
08-13-10, 15:36
Posted on one of the bars website:-
NEW GUIDLINES FOR THE BARS IN ANGELES
Due to the volume of false rumors floating around and the “Sky is falling” mentality on the local message boards, I though I would try to put things into perspective from my point of view and some observations from my years in Angeles and discussions I have had in the years past with Mayor Edgardo Pamintuan.
Edgardo Pamintuan was the mayor of Angeles City from 1992 to 1998 and he was recently reelected again in 2010. He is a lawyer by trade with an extensive back ground in Human Rights. I have personally known him since the mid-90’s. I believe he was one of the best mayors I have seen in Angeles City in the 30+ years I have been in Angeles.
Very good take on the history of Angeles city and the current situation..would put that on reports of distinction as the debate would go on for ever.
Tally Wacker
08-13-10, 17:01
Just a thought that you might want to change your screen name from LoveAsian*****s to LoveNiceGirls. LOL
I lose interest in barfining any girl I see topless in a bar. They come accross to me as prostitutes, and I generally prefer the "nicer" girls in AC to take home (but I certainly understand that many will think differently to me on this).
All is ok in AC.... Just some political propaganda and the U.S coming to town. T
What do you mean "U.S coming to town"?
To rub it in, I would hazard a guess than more than 75% of the AC girls do have Filipino boyfriends, on the side, and after making the Foreigner happy and making him believe that she is all his, will slip out to make love to the Filipino. And too many times (again in my bartending days) I heard from girls that it is special when fucking a Filipino. After all, when you have a language full of expressions, saying "fuck" or "Oh SHit' Doesn't cut it.
Funny post but very good eye opener for the guys going to Fields bars looking for love. I'm fine with them dating Filipinos as long as I don't get sloppy seconds, lol.
u. s. coming to phils.. someone said obama was scheduled to come to the phils in sept for a visit. i tried to look up his schedule and couldn't find it.. i do remember him canceling a trip to asia when the oil spill was going on.. but i thought it was indonesia and another place, not the phils. my thought is why would he come to angles anyway.. i know they have a airbase that can land his plane but so does the airport in manila.. besides the govt is in manila, not angles . i also don't think he would be out traveling the country side and going to angles.
i know these moral asses in the u. s. will get there nose into things they have no business getting into, so it is a strong possibility they pulled some influence with a person in congress who is part of the religious right. he or she raised a little hell to get some publicity. just a guess though.
let me say that forced prostition, especially with **** girls, should be prosecuted. but lets get some evidence first and then not attack everybody. but it seems that is to much to ask in some places.
just an opinion
u. s. coming to phils.. someone said obama was scheduled to come to the phils in sept for a visit. i tried to look up his schedule and couldn't find it.. i do remember him canceling a trip to asia when the oil spill was going on.. but i thought it was indonesia and another place, not the phils. my thought is why would he come to angles anyway.. i know they have a airbase that can land his plane but so does the airport in manila.. besides the govt is in manila, not angles . i also don't think he would be out traveling the country side and going to angles.
i know these moral asses in the u. s. will get there nose into things they have no business getting into, so it is a strong possibility they pulled some influence with a person in congress who is part of the religious right. he or she raised a little hell to get some publicity. just a guess though.
let me say that forced prostition, especially with **** girls, should be prosecuted. but lets get some evidence first and then not attack everybody. but it seems that is to much to ask in some places.
just an opinion
even if obama plane lands in clark, i guarantee you a ride through fields avenue will not be in the agenda.
although i think it would be a fun experience.
All is ok in AC.... Just some political propaganda and the U.S coming to town. The people in charge will not destroy their cashcow.!!!!I do hope and pray you are right. I'm a longtimer in Cambodia and visited many times there. About 3 years ago, this was also how it started there. First the "rules" then followed by the raids and now Phnom Penh is just a shadow of it's glorious old self. Most of the brothels are closed, all the BJ bars are closed, many of the western bars with ladies are almost fully clothes. If some of you make it there, you will see bar tables with round holes in them-- that was where the dancer poles use to be. So, all it takes is for one ******* to start something and before you know it, the end is near.--sorry for the sad reality but it's the truth.
FZ
Blackangst
08-14-10, 00:09
Only thing I could find is Aquino flying to WADC....
http://www.philstar.com/microsite/noynoy_aquino_inauguration_2010/article.aspx?articleId=597983&publicationSubCategoryId=63
http://www.balitangamerica.tv/president-aquino-first-official-us-visit-in-september/
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/08/11/10/aquino-visit-us-september-dti-chief
Also, some will flock to us because they know they have a better chance of bagging one of us rather than a Jap or Korean, as alot more of us falls for the pinoys= this holds the same in LOS during all the many years I monger there.
Have to remember about the pinoys: one of the main ladies dreams is to be away from PI and hopefully live in US or Australia or another "english" speaking country. Communication is a problem for them if a Jap or Korean really likes them and takes them to their country.
SharkYes, I have known 2 guys that fell for pinoys and ended up marrying them and took them back to the states. Don't know if it worked out for them or not.
Yeah, a lot of truth to this as I heard this before from some of the girls I picked up while in Cebu. Although I do agree as some have said they will go with anyone Asian or White or Black, all it takes is to have the money. But some girls have told me they prefer whites if it was for the long term relation (aside from their own race of course to a successful Filipino man,). What the girls told me was quite simple.
The 2 main reasons are:
1) the language (english) is spoken in the US and
2) the Westerner (white) culture is very forgiving when relationships are with a pinoy and bringing one back to the US is no big deal. The same may not be true for a Japanese or Korean. One girl had a short relation with a Japanese man and went back to japan and both she and the man were frowned upon and treated as outcast by family. Remember, some asian places look at pinoys as either housemaids/ servants and not as someone of status to married to their boys. That's why many Korean or Jap or HK men visit their "loved ones" only in the girls own country and never take her to his country. American men won't think twice about that if he had foolishly fallen for a pinoy. Bottom line, the Jap man had to let her go after 3months..just from experiences and stories told to me by a few pinoys..cheers
FZ
Undakovabrotha
08-14-10, 01:19
Pharmacies are refusing to sell them without a prescription.
Manson's sold me a box but others are refusing.
It's best to bring your stash with you. I buy my stuff from India for cheap and place it in the luggage. I have had no problems.
Undakovabrotha
08-14-10, 01:31
The new rules are short lived. The new mayor wants everybody to know who's the new boss in town. After the kick backs start rolling in business as usual for AC businesses. This is the mode of operations.
It's best to bring your stash with you. I buy my stuff from India for cheap and place it in the luggage. I have had no problems.
FYI:
The adult/sex shop on Fields Ave., across from Dollhouse and Atlantis, sold both real and fake viagra when I was there last year. I'm sure it's more expensive than it should be, but they had it. I think the fake viagra was called "Suhagra", from India. 400 pesos, for 4 pills (100mg) and they worked well.
Doppel One
08-14-10, 11:16
I do hope and pray you are right. I'm a longtimer in Cambodia and visited many times there. About 3 years ago, this was also how it started there. First the "rules" then followed by the raids and now Phnom Penh is just a shadow of it's glorious old self.
FZI was thinking much the same thing when I read about the recent 'crackdown' in AC. Phnom Penh went from being a mongers paradise to a virtual wasteland within 3 years due to a crackdown by the prime minister, Hun Sen, though I hear the driving force behind the crackdown was his wife and her moral crusade was instigated by donor nations threatening to withhold aid and deveopment grants unless the P4P trade was halted.
I desperately hope the same thing doesn't happen in AC and I wouldn't begin to compare the Philippines with Cambodia because the mentaillity of your average Khmer and Filipino are so different, but it only takes a moralising president (and his wife) under the cosh from donor nations with a moralising agenda for the rot to set in, gather pace and become irreversible.
I was thinking much the same thing when I read about the recent 'crackdown' in AC. Phnom Penh went from being a mongers paradise to a virtual wasteland within 3 years due to a crackdown by the prime minister, Hun Sen, though I hear the driving force behind the crackdown was his wife and her moral crusade was instigated by donor nations threatening to withhold aid and deveopment grants unless the P4P trade was halted.
I desperately hope the same thing doesn't happen in AC and I wouldn't begin to compare the Philippines with Cambodia because the mentaillity of your average Khmer and Filipino are so different, but it only takes a moralising president (and his wife) under the cosh from donor nations with a moralising agenda for the rot to set in, gather pace and become irreversible.Nah, don't sweat it, these moral crusade things are absolutely par for the course in AC. They are always short lived. It'll be back to business as usual in no time.
AV
Hillary needs to get bent over and rogered thoroughly. One of us should draw straws for the duty.
ManonsanBoy
08-14-10, 19:22
I desperately hope the same thing doesn't happen in AC and I wouldn't begin to compare the Philippines with Cambodia because the mentaillity of your average Khmer and Filipino are so different, but it only takes a moralising president (and his wife) under the cosh from donor nations with a moralising agenda for the rot to set in, gather pace and become irreversible.[/QUOTE]
The Philippines would not be able to sustain itself. P4P is a big industry and the major clients are locals.
Hillary needs to get bent over and rogered thoroughly. One of us should draw straws for the duty.
She's got cold ice running through her veins. I don't blame Bill for getting a BJ from Monica one bit! I bet Hillary constantly uses the Monica card, like any dog owner would use a leash, to pull him into line.
I feel sorry for Bill really, stuck in an loveless relationship, with his instant recognition celebrity status and under constant moral scrutiny he does not have the same access to the international smorgasboard of P4P women we all enjoy.
Rob Woodrow
08-15-10, 04:05
I know these moral asses in the U. S. will get there nose into things they have no business getting into, so it is a strong possibility they pulled some influence with a person in congress who is part of the religious right. He or she raised a little hell to get some publicity. Just a guess though.
Don't think for a second that it's just the right. The left views it as their feminist duty to put an end to what they view as exploitation. Go visit any feminist website, if you dare, and search their archives for what they think about sex tourism.
I don't know anything about their personal views, but I'd put money on myself being closer to John Boehner's stance on tourism than Nancy Pelosi's. Nonetheless, I vote Libertarian to be on the safe side.
Undakovabrotha
08-15-10, 06:32
FYI:
The adult/sex shop on Fields Ave., across from Dollhouse and Atlantis, sold both real and fake viagra when I was there last year. I'm sure it's more expensive than it should be, but they had it. I think the fake viagra was called "Suhagra", from India. 400 pesos, for 4 pills (100mg) and they worked well.
Yes, the generic stuff from India work well.
Undakovabrotha
08-15-10, 06:42
Yeah, a lot of truth to this as I heard this before from some of the girls I picked up while in Cebu. Although I do agree as some have said they will go with anyone Asian or White or Black, all it takes is to have the money. But some girls have told me they prefer whites if it was for the long term relation (aside from their own race of course to a successful Filipino man,). What the girls told me was quite simple.
The 2 main reasons are:
1) the language (english) is spoken in the US and
2) the Westerner (white) culture is very forgiving when relationships are with a pinoy and bringing one back to the US is no big deal. The same may not be true for a Japanese or Korean. One girl had a short relation with a Japanese man and went back to japan and both she and the man were frowned upon and treated as outcast by family. Remember, some asian places look at pinoys as either housemaids/ servants and not as someone of status to married to their boys. That's why many Korean or Jap or HK men visit their "loved ones" only in the girls own country and never take her to his country. American men won't think twice about that if he had foolishly fallen for a pinoy. Bottom line, the Jap man had to let her go after 3months..just from experiences and stories told to me by a few pinoys..cheers
FZ
Filipina's will tell you anything you wanna hear. If your Latino, they will say I prefer to be with Latinos in a long term relationship. If your black, it will be the same thing. They want to get out!
Starchild2012
08-15-10, 12:42
I was thinking much the same thing when I read about the recent 'crackdown' in AC. Phnom Penh went from being a mongers paradise to a virtual wasteland within 3 years due to a crackdown by the prime minister, Hun Sen, though I hear the driving force behind the crackdown was his wife and her moral crusade was instigated by donor nations threatening to withhold aid and deveopment grants unless the P4P trade was halted.
I desperately hope the same thing doesn't happen in AC and I wouldn't begin to compare the Philippines with Cambodia because the mentaillity of your average Khmer and Filipino are so different, but it only takes a moralising president (and his wife) under the cosh from donor nations with a moralising agenda for the rot to set in, gather pace and become irreversible.
Very true...Now we know why the King of Thailand is on our side :).. in spite of all his negatives, one thing he has not excepted is taking orders from western moral crusaders.
Millions of published article about Thailand being the sex capital of the world and corrupting the image of his country. He has not given a single inch to the moral brigade. Man he knows how to run a country and make money at the same time...its not easy to defend prostitution when all of the moral world is against you..hats off to him for that
Yes, the generic stuff from India work well.
There are many generic Indian Viagra available like kamagra, Penegra etc.
In Phnom Penh it is the cheapest. $1 will get you 4 pills of 100Mg if you bargain. Normal asking price is $2.
I have bought loads of them when I visit there. It worked fine. I guess it is easy to import there than Phi.
One Wing Low
08-15-10, 16:38
The Cebu girl was likely to be sincere in what she said about her preferences among races.
Japanese are well-known for discriminating against anything or anyone who are not Japanese.
America being the melting pot, it's true that Americans are a lot more accepting of people of other races and cultures. What matters in the US is whether the people you marry brings stability and happiness to their family and the people around them.
It's my personal obeservations that white people, more so than Asian, black or Hispanic, whether rich or poor, tend to bring up their children with good values, i.e the Christian beliefs. Therefore whites are more likely to act better and are more trust worthy to others in personal and professional relationships.
Filipinas are 99% Christians. They naturally find more common understandings with white folks...
Yes, I have known 2 guys that fell for pinoys and ended up marrying them and took them back to the states. Don't know if it worked out for them or not.
Yeah, a lot of truth to this as I heard this before from some of the girls I picked up while in Cebu. Although I do agree as some have said they will go with anyone Asian or White or Black, all it takes is to have the money. But some girls have told me they prefer whites if it was for the long term relation (aside from their own race of course to a successful Filipino man,). What the girls told me was quite simple.
The 2 main reasons are:
1) the language (english) is spoken in the US and
2) the Westerner (white) culture is very forgiving when relationships are with a pinoy and bringing one back to the US is no big deal. The same may not be true for a Japanese or Korean. One girl had a short relation with a Japanese man and went back to japan and both she and the man were frowned upon and treated as outcast by family. Remember, some asian places look at pinoys as either housemaids/ servants and not as someone of status to married to their boys. That's why many Korean or Jap or HK men visit their "loved ones" only in the girls own country and never take her to his country. American men won't think twice about that if he had foolishly fallen for a pinoy. Bottom line, the Jap man had to let her go after 3months..just from experiences and stories told to me by a few pinoys..cheers
FZ
Undakovabrotha
08-15-10, 18:54
The Cebu girl was likely to be sincere in what she said about her preferences among races.
Japanese are well-known for discriminating against anything or anyone who are not Japanese.
America being the melting pot, it's true that Americans are a lot more accepting of people of other races and cultures. What matters in the US is whether the people you marry brings stability and happiness to their family and the people around them.
It's my personal obeservations that white people, more so than Asian, black or Hispanic, whether rich or poor, tend to bring up their children with good values, i.e the Christian beliefs. Therefore whites are more likely to act better and are more trust worthy to others in personal and professional relationships.
Filipinas are 99% Christians. They naturally find more common understandings with white folks...
For some reason, I thought most were Catholic. But, I could be wrong.
Undakovabrotha
08-15-10, 18:57
There are many generic Indian Viagra available like kamagra, Penegra etc.
In Phnom Penh it is the cheapest. $1 will get you 4 pills of 100Mg if you bargain. Normal asking price is $2.
I have bought loads of them when I visit there. It worked fine. I guess it is easy to import there than Phi.
Yes, that's why I buy from India. I get them for a very cheap price. Plenty of online stores to choose from and the haggling goes away. I end up selling a lot to my friends. They don't expire for 2 years.
WestCoast1
08-15-10, 20:28
For some reason, I thought most were Catholic. But, I could be wrong.They are. Maybe 80-90% of filipinos are catholic. Catholics are not christians?
FreebieFan
08-16-10, 03:24
Yes, that's why I buy from India. I get them for a very cheap price. Plenty of online stores to choose from and the haggling goes away. I end up selling a lot to my friends. They don't expire for 2 years.I live in Malaysia and have an Indian " friend" who happens to be a pharmacist for Watsons. He gets shipments sent from Indian and then sells to "friends". Its been a great arrangement.
Viagra from a pharmacy US$ 9 per tablet. Kamagra from a pharamacist US$1.80. Totally the same effect!
Filipina's will tell you anything you wanna hear. If your Latino, they will say I prefer to be with Latinos in a long term relationship. If your black, it will be the same thing. They want to get out!Very true if the pinoy is a one nighter but the stories told to me by several young ladies I knew as friends and not someone I paid to be with me confirmed for the most part they prefer to be in the US or some other wealthy western country with english as the primary language.
Been to AC for 3 days about 3 years ago. Didn't have the time to really wander around and explore.
Q: Does the SM mall near fields have a nice food court inside? Been to several malls in other parts of PI and they usually have decent food courts with very cheap prices and various foods from other countries.
Thanks
Q: Does the SM mall near fields have a nice food court inside?There is a food court in the central section of the ground floor, but I haven't been overly impressed by the food there -- lots of sizzling sisig and that kind of thing, emphasis on cheapness. I think you'll do much better paying a bit more at some of the standalone restaurants there, especially Gerry's Grill.
Sleepy Floyd
08-18-10, 09:45
For some reason, I thought most were Catholic. But, I could be wrong.Catholics are Christians.
LoveAsianWhores
08-18-10, 10:10
Just a thought that you might want to change your screen name from LoveAsian*****s to LoveNiceGirls. LOLYeah, the name was chosen several years ago, and it was the first thing that came into my mind. But it is a hassle to change the screen name, and everyone knows me by the name, so it sticks.
When my nephew was out here a couple of months ago, I took him around all the bars. Since he was young, and and I tend to like nicer girls, I tried my best to find him a girl that I thought he would like, but I guess I was just trying to find him a girl that I liked. Finally, at about 1:00 am, he puts his arm around me says "uncle, I really appreciate you trying to find me a nice girl, but I have a great girlfriend back home. What I want tonight is a dirty wh*re who will take it up the ass".
I learned alot that night.
Christians are not necessarily Catholics.
And speaking for myself, Catholics are often the worst critics of Catholics. If it wasn't for that nun who told me at my masturbatory age of 15 "thinking" about sex was a "sin and you will go to hell", I might never have been the fkg sex **** that I am.
For the record (before the serial antagonist have their say) I have not been taumatized physically by any religious personnel. My younger brother at age 7 got wrist bruises, but I'm sure the ugly old ***** enjoyed it.
Catholics are Christians
A DNA test on the remains of chess legend Bobby Fischer has determined that he is not the father of a Filipino girl, the girl's lawyer told CNN on Wednesday.
Who knew filipia's lied about stuff like that lol.
Like many others, I was amused by your post. Nevertheless, there is no way to know she "lied".
I hope and expect BF was fkn like crazy in Philippines as well as Iceland. Not to mention Japan. The old goat in Japan (chess pro) actually claimed him as her husband. Some money involved. And people hope.
I find it kind of lame to call all Filipinas liars just because one gal got fkd by a rich guy and got a dna check.
A DNA test on the remains of chess legend Bobby Fischer has determined that he is not the father of a Filipino girl, the girl's lawyer told CNN on Wednesday.
Who knew filipia's lied about stuff like that lol.
Hi,
Could anyone please assist me and advise of any transportation (Air Conditioned BUS) from Manila to Angeles City. other than the fly the bus provided by the Swagman hotel. Or if there is a train service or other transportation, Just to save a few bucks instead of paying 2500 plus pesos one way via cab or hotel transfer car. anyone with any info please comment.
There are jeepneys heading to Dau that will take you to AC. Just do a search or rtff.
There is a food court in the central section of the ground floor, but I haven't been overly impressed by the food there -- lots of sizzling sisig and that kind of thing, emphasis on cheapness. I think you'll do much better paying a bit more at some of the standalone restaurants there, especially Gerry's Grill.
Most (all?) of the filipino specialty restaurants and especially the food courts add MSG to their food.
Gerry's Grill does.
Filipinos call it by the alternative names of "vetsin" or "ajimoto" after the brand name of the huge factory that produces it in Pasig. It is never marketed as MSG - always vetsin or "flavor enhancer".
I now avoid most of these places because I can feel my body reacting badly to the presence of MSG in my food (very dry lips and mouth, tingling upper lip, headache about 3 hours after ingestion).
It is interesting to note that more and more places (inc Korean restaurants) are putting up clear signs saying "No MSG" for those discerning diners who don't wish to have this unnecessary chemical added to food to enhance its taste. The major hotel chains (and I have asked them) like Shangri-la and Crowne Plaza that have international chefs don't use it.
I am NOT starting up a discussion about the merits or otherwise about MSG so those of you who like it can go on enjoying it. I choose to exercise my right to choose NOT to eat it if I can avoid it.
My friend and I usually go the Pasay Bus Terminal and they have buses that leave about every 30 minutes to the Dau bus terminal and then just take a trike to Fields Ave. Be sure to negotiate those pirates. two of us about 200 pesos. The bus ride is about 140 pesos I think around there. Hope this helps. The ride is about one and a half hours.
Hey brothers!
I want to get hold of a woman working in pinkpannter in Sabang.
She is called Grech.
Anyone want to help me so I can get her telephone number?
Alex
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Philosophery
08-20-10, 20:55
I will be in Angeles with a few buddies in October. Is there a proper Karaoke joint in town where we can bring a few girls for a few hours of fun? I used to go to Blueberry hill but that place closed down. The Vidoke joints behind the Royal Amsterdam hotel are not very good.
I will be in Angeles with a few buddies in October. Is there a proper Karaoke joint in town where we can bring a few girls for a few hours of fun? I used to go to Blueberry hill but that place closed down. The Vidoke joints behind the Royal Amsterdam hotel are not very good.
The yellow building with the restaurant Tequila Reef, just down from Kokomo's on blow row. If you go up the stairs, there is a relatively decent place. Elvie and I beleive Jun and his brother who use to sing at Blueberry Hill work there...if its still operating.
Hi,
Could anyone please assist me and advise of any transportation (Air Conditioned BUS) from Manila to Angeles City. other than the fly the bus provided by the Swagman hotel. Or if there is a train service or other transportation, Just to save a few bucks instead of paying 2500 plus pesos one way via cab or hotel transfer car. anyone with any info please comment.
take a North-Bound-Bus either from Cubao or Pasay and hopp off at Dau. Price about 140 pesos.
Cheers!
Hesekiels
there are jeepneys heading to dau that will take you to ac. .must have taken the wrong jeepney on my last time from dau bus terminal to sm mall near fields. flagged down jeepney with fields written on the side on mccarthur ave heading south but they only stopped about 1 block from fields on mcarthur itself. which jeepney from dau bus depot will get me closest to the mall or to the other side of fields --near perimeter, as my hotel (brass knob) is at the other end of fields ?
thanks
take a North-Bound-Bus either from Cubao or Pasay and hopp off at Dau. Price about 140 pesos.
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Fly the bus from swagman hotel is convenient and safe. The cost was 600 pesos few months ago. It will drop you off to your hotel in AC. If you take the regular bus you will save maybe 300 pesos. It is not worth it. If you take the regular us you need to worry aout your luggage, pick pockets , trike mafia etc.
Take the easy and safe route. you will loose 300 pesos in 5 minutes in AC -a drink for you and the girl.
Must have taken the wrong jeepney on my last time from Dau bus terminal to SM Mall near fields. Flagged down jeepney with Fields written on the side on Mccarthur ave heading south but they only stopped about 1 block from fields on Mcarthur itself. Which jeepney from Dau bus depot will get me closest to the mall or to the other side of fields --near Perimeter, as my hotel (Brass Knob) is at the other end of fields ?
Thanks
I heard there is a jeepney from Macarthur that takes you to the checkpoint near Fields. If your hotel is along perimeter that means another jeepney. Most deal with the trike pirates. Either way, not ideal if you have a lot of luggage.
Sammon, have you ever taken the reg bus?
I'm assuming you have and I agree with everything you say. (this is a disclaimer, not for Sammon, but for the members who want to claim that I'm a "constant complainer" or "criticizer" or "troll" or whatever words she is using at the moment.)
I've been to AC many times, but the times that are most memorable are the local bus rides, with the roosters, crying kids, and my own disorientation about where the fk am I and what do I do next. Some people like adventure, and some don't. How much does a taxi go for these days? 2K?
Even Swagman provides adventures...on the return to MNL, decrepit old bus stalled right in the middle of one of the busiest intersections in MM...not far from the Rizal Park area. And last year there were the floods, I was expecting my luggage to be waterlogged when it finally was disgorged in AC. Much to my delight, everything was in order.
X
And some people are on a budget. The bus is not a bad trip.
Fly the bus from swagman hotel is convenient and safe. The cost was 600 pesos few months ago. It will drop you off to your hotel in AC. If you take the regular bus you will save maybe 300 pesos. It is not worth it. If you take the regular us you need to worry aout your luggage, pick pockets , trike mafia etc.
Take the easy and safe route. you will loose 300 pesos in 5 minutes in AC -a drink for you and the girl.
Fly the bus from swagman hotel is convenient and safe. The cost was 600 pesos few months ago. It will drop you off to your hotel in AC. If you take the regular bus you will save maybe 300 pesos. It is not worth it. If you take the regular us you need to worry about your luggage, pick pockets, trike mafia etc. Take the easy and safe route. you will loose 300 pesos in 5 minutes in AC -a drink for you and the girl.
Sure, but 'Aus Dodo' asked explicitly for another option, or am I wrong?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Burberyman
08-21-10, 18:08
Does anyone know where to find a Breakfast Buffet on Fields?I know Clarkton has one but that is a bit far out.
Also I am planning on a three week trip does anyone know of a Hotel that has the price range between 1.100-1.400 pesos per night.
Thanks in advance!
Hi,
Could anyone please assist me and advise of any transportation (Air Conditioned BUS) from Manila to Angeles City. other than the fly the bus provided by the Swagman hotel. Or if there is a train service or other transportation, Just to save a few bucks instead of paying 2500 plus pesos one way via cab or hotel transfer car. anyone with any info please comment.Was good value and in fact the trip back one day from Clark to the Terminal 2 airport including taxi changes in under 3 hours mid week middle of the day and I was the only one on the bus.
PAMPANGA
AC 164 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 11:30:00
AC 160 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 06:30:00
AC 162 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 07:00:00
AC 166 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 11:00:00
AC 169 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 14:30:00
http://www.philtranco.com.ph/
As TW said, Jolly Frog. Emotions has one too, if I remember correctly. Honeyko's out on Perimeter has upstairs rooms and a ST barfine, 750 pesos, at least as of last year.
Don't forget Matrix Brawn, with their 500 pesos BBBJ in the backroom.
Also, you might want to seach for a map of Angeles City on the web and see where all the short time hotels are located. There aren't many, but there are some located around the bars, usually 200-300 pesos for three hours or so.Ask for mammasan Jenny to advise you.
About twenty dancers to choose from for takeaways ST and LT.
Yeah, the name was chosen several years ago, and it was the first thing that came into my mind. But it is a hassle to change the screen name, and everyone knows me by the name, so it sticks.
When my nephew was out here a couple of months ago, I took him around all the bars. Since he was young, and and I tend to like nicer girls, I tried my best to find him a girl that I thought he would like, but I guess I was just trying to find him a girl that I liked. Finally, at about 1:00 am, he puts his arm around me says "uncle, I really appreciate you trying to find me a nice girl, but I have a great girlfriend back home. What I want tonight is a dirty wh*re who will take it up the ass".
I learned alot that night.I second a name change as well, (unless you like offending the guys here who love these working girls). I would also think the natives in PI don't appreciate foreigners visiting their homeland and insulting their women. Generalizing is not accurate or cool, imo.
Mr Enternational
08-23-10, 07:11
i'm going to pi for the first time next month. i am not into the bar scene as i don't drink much and i just can't see myself buying lady drinks and paying the bar so that a woman can leave. i am into the freelance/disco scene. i was planning on going to ac and staying in pacific breeze. however, after rtff all the way back to 2007, it appears that the fl scene in ac is pretty much non-existent, limited to **** scams, or involves targeting women who's primary job is actually working in stores at the shopping mall. it seems that la cafe in manila would be more my cup of tea. somewhere i can go in, talk a little trash for a few minutes, and leave right out with my prospect. is my conclusion spot on?
I am not into the bar scene as I don't drink much and I just can't see myself buying lady drinks and paying the bar so that a woman can leave. I am into the freelance/disco scene. I was planning on going to AC and staying in Pacific Breeze...Don't go to AC in that case. It's a shit hole filled with dozens of girly bar's. The main attraction of said bar's is they are arguably the cheapest in S.E. Asia & almost all the girls in them bareback without question. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how badly you wish to die of AIDS.
It seems that LA Cafe in Manila would be more my cup of tea. Somewhere I can go in, talk a little trash for a few minutes, and leave right out with my prospect. Is my conclusion spot on?L.A. Cafe [Manila] is way over rated IMHO but if you wish to maintain the pretence that the girl gives a rat's ass about you as a person then it would fit the bill however it is closed pending a routine moral outrage/shakedown operation by the government. Amazonia bar [Manila] nearby has stepped in to fill the void.
There are dozens of non-p4p disco's/bars in Manila where you can chat up girls & drag them off to your hotel. The PI is a third world country where virtually all women are keen to hump you for a chance at gaining a remittance boyfriend or husband. No skill is required. just go to a shopping mall, buy a coffee & wait for them to walk by smiling their 'for hire' smile at you.
If you hit a dry spell in Manila with the non pro's you can always find sex in massage places & the bars of EDSA & Burgos St.
Manila is full of women but it is very crowded/polluted. Maybe think about going to Cebu or Davao, nice beaches, hotels & of course hot & cold running vagina's.
Help ful tips:
The big smiles from the locals are not smiles of friendship, they are smiles of anticipation at how much money they are going to get from you.
Everybody lies to you about everything.
Do not get into arguments with ANYBODY.
You have been warned.
AV
you don't have to drink alcohol, you can order mineral water or soda pop or juice.
since this is your first time, you may not fully understand the ac bar format. in most cases, you still go into a bar, you still need to chat up a lady, and even then you aren't guaranteed you will leave with her. the girls have numerous ways of refusing a customer; on my period, i'm a virgin, i have to meet a friend, etc. in some of the big clubs, a lot of the girls are dancers. those big barfines are to discourage guys. you better have some good lines and a lot of cash if you want to get a "private dancer". (thank you tina turner).
some people who haven't been into these bars somehow imagine brothels where women are in some kind of servitude. this isn't the case. you would be more likely to get, "the owner isn't here tonight, so let me show you two of my assets" (i paraphrase of course).
and some imagination can work too. if a girl hasn't been overtly naughty, i politely ask, "would you like to go get something to eat? " or "is it okay if i pay your bar fine. " treat her like a gf and you'll often get the gfe.
i've done salesclerks and hotel maids in ac, but in each case i set up things on one of the chat sites first. and even then their background turned out to be less than squeaky clean.
although i feel uncomfortable with the negativity of a previous poster, i basically agree with what he says about mnl, cebu, or even davao as possible alternative to ac.
do you have to fly into mnl? how long is your holiday? i suggest you answer these question if you want more information, or more detailed info. x
i'm going to pi for the first time next month. i am not into the bar scene as i don't drink much and i just can't see myself buying lady drinks and paying the bar so that a woman can leave. i am into the freelance/disco scene. i was planning on going to ac and staying in pacific breeze. however, after rtff all the way back to 2007, it appears that the fl scene in ac is pretty much non-existent, limited to **** scams, or involves targeting women who's primary job is actually working in stores at the shopping mall. it seems that la cafe in manila would be more my cup of tea. somewhere i can go in, talk a little trash for a few minutes, and leave right out with my prospect. is my conclusion spot on?
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet) This quote comes from Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2, line 254 (line accuracy may differ in varying versions of the play). In this case, "protest" means more of "proclaim" than "argue against". Gertrude says it when Hamlet asks her if she's enjoying the play, in which the Player King and Player Queen act out what Hamlet believes was the murder of his father. On one level, she's critiquing the play by saying the Player Queen has too much to say. On another level, knowing what Hamlet is doing, she's critiquing her son by telling him very subtly that he's got it wrong - at least as matters pertain to her. However, she might not for certain have made the connection with her story yet. It is early in the play and what has happened so far really isn't very much like her story at all. She could simply be making an observation on human behaviour in general. Someone who is telling the truth is usually doing so rather plainly and shortly. Someone who is assuring too much is usually lying either to herself or to the audience. Therefore Gertrude implies that she predicts the Player Queen will break her word. Hamlet seems to interpret her statement in this way since in the next line Hamlet says: "O, but she'll keep her word".
Your reporting could be a little bit of a jaded, slanted view of things, over generalising on Metro Manila with over 10 million people.
If you look at all the forums on ISG, you will see that The Philippines, including Manila and Angeles City get a lot of positive reports and represents great value for money for the majority of people.
IMHO and based upon my twenty plus visits since 2006 and having offices there for business.
Flame On
Don't go to AC in that case. It's a shit hole filled with dozens of girly bar's. The main attraction of said bar's is they are arguably the cheapest in S.E. Asia & almost all the girls in them bareback without question. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how badly you wish to die of AIDS.
L.A. Cafe [Manila] is way over rated IMHO but if you wish to maintain the pretence that the girl gives a rat's ass about you as a person then it would fit the bill however it is closed pending a routine moral outrage/shakedown operation by the government. Amazonia bar [Manila] nearby has stepped in to fill the void.
There are dozens of non-p4p disco's/bars in Manila where you can chat up girls & drag them off to your hotel. The PI is a third world country where virtually all women are keen to hump you for a chance at gaining a remittance boyfriend or husband. No skill is required. just go to a shopping mall, buy a coffee & wait for them to walk by smiling their 'for hire' smile at you.
If you hit a dry spell in Manila with the non pro's you can always find sex in massage places & the bars of EDSA & Burgos St.
Manila is full of women but it is very crowded/polluted. Maybe think about going to Cebu or Davao, nice beaches, hotels & of course hot & cold running vagina's.
Help ful tips:
The big smiles from the locals are not smiles of friendship, they are smiles of anticipation at how much money they are going to get from you.
Everybody lies to you about everything.
Do not get into arguments with ANYBODY.
You have been warned.
AV
GoodEnough
08-23-10, 11:22
Help ful tips:
The big smiles from the locals are not smiles of friendship, they are smiles of anticipation at how much money they are going to get from you.
Everybody lies to you about everything.
Do not get into arguments with ANYBODY.
You have been warned.
AV
Why AV, you've become a cynic! Here I honestly thought that the come hither glances of rapturous fascination that I get from twenty-somethings were attributable solely to my dashing good looks, dynamic and fascinating personality, engaging smile and nice clothes. Now you've ruined the Filipina experience for me forever.. Guess I'll just have to go to a less commercial, more honestly up front place like Pattaya.
GE
Here I honestly thought that the come hither glances of rapturous fascination that I get from twenty-somethings were attributable solely to my dashing good looks, dynamic and fascinating personality, engaging smile and nice clothes. Now you've ruined the Filipina experience for me forever.. Guess I'll just have to go to a less commercial, more honestly up front place like Pattaya.
GE
Oh My God GE! The profoundness never stops! And here that is what I always thought too! Hm, guess Pattaya it is then LOL. Or maybe that super small fishing village of Patong beach, Phuket. I hear they are unspoiled there. ;)
Thanks to God they are so much less mercenary and more caring about character in Thailand hahahah!
Does anyone know where to find a Breakfast Buffet on Fields?I know Clarkton has one but that is a bit far out.
Also I am planning on a three week trip does anyone know of a Hotel that has the price range between 1.100-1.400 pesos per night.
Thanks in advance!
Clarkton a bit far out??? Where are you from? It is less then 1 1/2 miles down the road. What is your idea of far out?
By far the Clarkton has one of the best breakfast buffets in AC:)
Robb
Fly the bus from swagman hotel is convenient and safe. The cost was 600 pesos few months ago. It will drop you off to your hotel in AC. If you take the regular bus you will save maybe 300 pesos. It is not worth it. If you take the regular us you need to worry aout your luggage, pick pockets , trike mafia etc.
Take the easy and safe route. you will loose 300 pesos in 5 minutes in AC -a drink for you and the girl.
I always said no "No Bus" for me, but last month I went to Subic for two days and then AC for three days. My Subic buddy was going up on the Southern Cross bus and so we booked it for 600P! WOW what a great ride. I will ride their bus more.
Robb
There is a food court in the central section of the ground floor, but I haven't been overly impressed by the food there -- lots of sizzling sisig and that kind of thing, emphasis on cheapness. I think you'll do much better paying a bit more at some of the standalone restaurants there, especially Gerry's Grill.
I always eat that the food court. Good local food and it is fresh! They have many different foods and great Filipino food.
Robb
Don't go to AC in that case. It's a shit hole filled with dozens of girly bar's. The main attraction of said bar's is they are arguably the cheapest in S.E. Asia & almost all the girls in them bareback without question. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how badly you wish to die of AIDS.
I've had quite a few girls in AC that ask to put a condom on.
I don't think the bars are the cheapest in SE Asia.
I agree that it is a bit of a shit hole, but it can be fun at times.
My last visit there, unfortunately was the worst ever. Dry pussies, more runners, and greedier.
Burberyman
08-23-10, 18:09
Clarkton a bit far out??? Where are you from? It is less then 1 1/2 miles down the road. What is your idea of far out?
By far the Clarkton has one of the best breakfast buffets in AC:)
RobbWell what I meant if there were some buffets on Fields somwhere between Paradise Beer Garden and the Mall? I guess 1 1/2 miles is not far if you take a trike less you are up to a nice walk early in the morning!
Strikesfun
08-23-10, 19:31
Amjeck is on target. AC has changed. It has become more expensive, everything needs to be negotiate up front and then half will not be completed. Short time, one hour or less in hotel, if that is the plan, can cost you, serveal drinks before you leave to the hotel for girl, hostess and friends than bar fine plus tip can add up to 2-3k fast. Long time if that is what you call it today means hitting a few bars, drinks and a meal than back to hotel by 3 AM fun and leaving at 6 AM this can set you back a nice 3-5K dependent on meal and drinks. BB if that is possible best be negotiated up front most will not go with you when you ask and the communication will be on the fields net before you leave the club that is what you look for with a girl. Now there is the exception to all of this if the girl see you as a weeks meal ticket. That will certainly cost you. Smile and have fun.
I've had quite a few girls in AC that ask to put a condom on.
I don't think the bars are the cheapest in SE Asia.
I agree that it is a bit of a shit hole, but it can be fun at times.
My last visit there, unfortunately was the worst ever. Dry pussies, more runners, and greedier.A newbie here, a question for all you mongers.
Where in your humble opinion is the cheapest fun place in SE Asia?
Amjeck is on target. AC has changed. It has become more expensive, everything needs to be negotiate up front and then half will not be completed. Short time, one hour or less in hotel,
I thought it was just me, but after talking to others I've found that it is indeed a change for the worse. Not the end of the world, but definately requires much more work than before. My biggest surprise is the lack of young good looking girls available now. Sure there are still sexy girls over 22yo, but if you like the 18-20 yo group, slim and hot, then it's really slim pickings.
All in all, not as much bang for your buck in AC anymore.
All in all, not as much bang for your buck in AC anymore.
Too bad, somehow I have to agree with this.
Cheers!
Clarkton a bit far out??? Where are you from? It is less then 1 1/2 miles down the road. What is your idea of far out?
By far the Clarkton has one of the best breakfast buffets in AC:)
RobbSome of us don't like to waste time :D
When I'm there I stay in Central Park or Doll's House. Minimum walking time. Maximum shagging time hehehehe ;)
AV
I thought it was just me, but after talking to others I've found that it is indeed a change for the worse. Not the end of the world, but definately requires much more work than before. My biggest surprise is the lack of young good looking girls available now. Sure there are still sexy girls over 22yo, but if you like the 18-20 yo group, slim and hot, then it's really slim pickings.
All in all, not as much bang for your buck in AC anymore.YMMV but when Im in the mood for an adult playground to screw an endless conga line of young women in the shortest possible time with minimum outlay of money, AC is my 'goto' place. Never had a runner or dud. Never ever had the subject of condom raised by a girl. Absolutely never ever had trouble attracting pretty little young spinners.
I don't approach them like a meat merchant & always have a little gift for them the next morning. They line up for seconds.. I ride to the airport with 3 at a time all trying for a last minute farewell fuck right there in the taxi.
One guy will say the bar's are empty, an hour later the bar's are full. Its AC. Relax.
AV
WestCoast1
08-24-10, 03:32
amjeck is on target. ac has changed. it has become more expensive, everything needs to be negotiate up front and then half will not be completed. short time, one hour or less in hotel, if that is the plan, can cost you, serveal drinks before you leave to the hotel for girl, hostess and friends than bar fine plus tip can add up to 2-3k fast. long time if that is what you call it today means hitting a few bars, drinks and a meal than back to hotel by 3 am fun and leaving at 6 am this can set you back a nice 3-5k dependent on meal and drinks. bb if that is possible best be negotiated up front most will not go with you when you ask and the communication will be on the fields net before you leave the club that is what you look for with a girl. now there is the exception to all of this if the girl see you as a weeks meal ticket. that will certainly cost you. smile and have fun.somewhat. was in ac a few weeks ago. regarding negotiating upfront, yes, i think it needs to be done, for clarity and no surprises later. but in the years that i've been going there, no ac bargirl has suggested, in the bar, after hearing my list of needs, that i pay her more for it (needed tip) than the barfine. i ask first if she's interested in barfining (never offer to barfine before you are sure that she's interested in it with you). she will say yes, or no. if no, the reason is unimportant to me (period, doesn't barfine at all, etc.), and she's back to the dance line. if yes, i run through my list of needs: x, y, z. most girls are fine with these and off we go. if she balks at any of them, she will either acquiesce and agree shortly after, or i turn her loose so i can look for another girl (so many to choose from). i have yet to have one say, "i need 500 for anal." she just will refuse, and will be back in the dance line shortly. i dont usually buy the girls drinks, either. breakfast with her is more my thing, but i plan that as part of my evening/morning with her. so, she's getting p700 (half the barfine) plus possible breakfast plus my typical p100 for tryke the next day.
regarding age. i chatted bunches of girls who were 18-20, but yes, there seem to be fewer. also on the increase: the chubs, the 20-25 year-old with recent child. clear to spot from the belly and larger boobage. a clear (but minor) change in the decrease in young spinners. hitting a few bars and dinner is part of my evening anyway, so this is par. however, i also have a few non-bar lady friends in ac, who are often glad to spend the night with me for nothing. i don't stay out past midnight very often (partypooper) unless i'm with buddies, and my girls stay till later in the morning.
i'm going to pi for the first time next month. i am not into the bar scene as i don't drink much and i just can't see myself buying lady drinks and paying the bar so that a woman can leave. i am into the freelance/disco scene. i was planning on going to ac and staying in pacific breeze. however, after rtff all the way back to 2007, it appears that the fl scene in ac is pretty much non-existent, limited to **** scams, or involves targeting women who's primary job is actually working in stores at the shopping mall. it seems that la cafe in manila would be more my cup of tea. somewhere i can go in, talk a little trash for a few minutes, and leave right out with my prospect. is my conclusion spot on?
yes, i think your conclusion is spot on. if one is looking for an active freelance scene, i don't think angeles would be my recommendation. too many scams connected to what little exists here, and in the end one is only getting a criminal or off-work bar girl. i thought la cafe was closed, but i don't follow it that closely, maybe it re-opened. manila has a large number of high end disco's and would think chances of picking up a pro, semi pro would be much better.
I thought it was just me, but after talking to others I've found that it is indeed a change for the worse. Not the end of the world, but definately requires much more work than before. My biggest surprise is the lack of young good looking girls available now. Sure there are still sexy girls over 22yo, but if you like the 18-20 yo group, slim and hot, then it's really slim pickings.
All in all, not as much bang for your buck in AC anymore.
Perhaps your tastes have changed to the point of being much more selective than you may have been in the past. With very low tourist numbers there are more girls available than anytime I've seen in the past. With the low numbers of tourists, most girls are much less selective than in the past, in many cases meaning you don't have to be the first in the door when the bar opens to get quality. Buying patterns have also changed, many less guys taking five and six girls at a time, rather settling on one for the evening.
What is different right now, due to continual police pressure, is that all the bars are behaving very conservative. Little to no door girls, where there use to be hundreds on the street. All the girls keeping very covered up on the stage, no body shots and other cavorting in the customer booths.
I think the bang for your buck is here, the prices have not changed and the girls are still willing. But in bar parties are much subdued. There are plenty of 18 to 20 year olds on both Perimeter and Fields, but just mathmatically girls older than 20 have always outnumbered those under 20. One also has to wade through the always present Cherry girls that populate that age group.
I always find it amusing though, when tourists talk about over 20 year olds being too old for consideration. Coming from home countries where they could not get to the starting gates in getting a 22 year old to even look at them.
I always find it amusing though, when tourists talk about over 20 year olds being too old for consideration. Coming from home countries where they could not get to the starting gates in getting a 22 year old to even look at them.
I'm always surprised when guys travel half way across the world only to buy what they could get back home. Half the reason to spend you cash is so you can get what you normally couldn't get back home.
I personally can get 22 yo and older girls for free quite often. It's the young 18-19 yo market I can't for free and that is why I pay for them.
I've had quite a few girls in AC that ask to put a condom on.
I don't think the bars are the cheapest in SE Asia.
I agree that it is a bit of a shit hole, but it can be fun at times.
My last visit there, unfortunately was the worst ever. Dry pussies, more runners, and greedier.
Very few girls insist on Condom in AC. Some bars give out condoms to the girl when she is barfined. Most are small size. I take my own supply.
By far I have seen only in AC you can have sex without condoms. Rest of the world including Thailand insist on condoms. Ofcourse if you get "normal" girls anywhere after a while they will let you fuck without condoms.
I really do not know why AC bar owners do not teach safe sex to these girls. I have seen many knocked up by one night barfine and they have to leave and depend on their family to take care of the child. Ofcourse by talking to girls I have learned none take birth control pills or depo shots to prevent unwanted pregnancy. It almost looks like they want to be single mothers as quick as possible. None of the girls seem worried about contracting a disease. I guess they feel hygiene check is good enough. I am sure they thoroughly clean their private parts before a hygiene check. How could a simple swab will pick up anything? Cursory visual check also will not detect anything.
Luckily AIDS is not prevalent in AC. Hopefully!
LoveAsianWhores
08-24-10, 16:12
If no, the reason is unimportant to me (period, doesn't barfine at all, etc.), and she's back to the dance line. If yes, I run through my list of needs: x, y, z. Most girls are fine with these and off we go. If she balks at any of them, she will either acquiesce and agree shortly after, or I turn her loose so I can look for another girl (so many to choose from). I have yet to have one say, "I need 500 for anal." She just will refuse, and will be back in the dance line shortly. I handle things differently. When a girl says "no", I think "maybe". When a girl says "yes" right of the bat, I figure she is probably saying yes to a different guy every night, and is worn out by the end of her second week at the bar. I have found that the best girls are the ones you have to work for. Sometimes it can take two or three drinks to change her mind, or sometimes you will have to see her two or three different nights before she will go with you. But in the end, generally, the harder I have to work for a girl, the better the sex will be.
And while a girl will never tell you she wants more money for Anal, or an extra 500 pesos just to go with you, when a girl says "no", offering her more money will often change her mind.
Lets take my barfine last night as an example. It was from the Office bar in Subic, but it could have been any bar in Angeles.
So I see a particularly hot girl. Call her down, and she gets me hard almost instantly. A super tight body, and a real catch if I can get her. I am getting good vibes, but I can tell that she is a real selective type. While she is grinding me, I start talking to the manager who is sitting next to me. All of a sudden, she goes cold. From experience, I knew exactly why; she had no intention of going with me, but did not want to be leading a friend of the manager on, and then saying no, and possibly causing and awkward situation in front of her boss. So I ask her to bafine, and I get the "my dick is too big" excuse. Now, to be honest, that is my absolutely FAVORITE response from a girl. If she says "menstration", then I have nowhere to go. If she says "I'm a cherry", then I know that I probably won't be fucking her tonight. If she says "I never go out with customers", then it is a long upward climb. But the "too big" excuse tells me she does sometimes go out, and most likely, she will have a tight pussy. And I LOVE a tight pussy! So I start on the pursuation thing, and when I am not getting anywhere, I say "how about I give you a big tip", to which she thinks about it for a moment and says "ok, but I have to leave at 2:00 am". BINGO.
So back in the hotel, I find out I was right on. Her pussy was super, SUPER tight, and she turned out to be very accomoding and quite a nice girl. I banged her twice, in about an hour, which is rare for me as after I blow my load, I am typically done until the morning. But she was so damn hot, that I was up for another round almost immediately.
So the point is, just because a girl says no, it is no reason to send her back. In fact, I generally consider it a good thing. And if I took no for an answer last night, I would have missed out on a truly spectactular fuck!
And as for the tip, I gave her a 1, 000 pesos and she was very happy. She never mentioned an amount and I could have just given her 500P, but I offered her a big tip, and she certainly held up her end of the bargain, so she desearved it.
Gallantnitez
08-24-10, 16:14
What are the beach options near AC? I will be visiting a friend or 3 in AC soon and want to take them to a good beach within driving distance. Don't want to fly them to Baracay. I would prefer a white sand beach with blue water and shade for shagging in the bushes. Any place like that around Luzon?
What are the beach options near AC? I will be visiting a friend or 3 in AC soon and want to take them to a good beach within driving distance. Don't want to fly them to Baracay. I would prefer a white sand beach with blue water and shade for shagging in the bushes. Any place like that around Luzon? Subic Bay is in driving distance of AC, not sure of the quality of the sand though.
What are the beach options near AC?
Yes if you are relying on the bus, then is the Subic Bay area, with Baloy Beach and Barrio Baretto. Lots of info in the Subic forum about that.
If you have your own ride, have a look at Pundaquit, Zambales, near San Antonio (Zambales). Also called Pundaquit beach. There is at least one nice resort you can stay at there: Punta De Uian Resort. There is a web site with info on that. I bet if you contact them they would arrange transportation for you. Also a place called Canoe Beach Resort. If you stay at any of these please white a report, as I suspect they may be suffering for business, or already closed.
Also suppose to be a nice trip (in season) to the uninhabited Capones Island from there. I have in mind trying an overnight there some day.
South of there Anuangin Beach and cove looks very quiet, seems popular with nature photographers.
ThatGuy865
08-25-10, 00:44
I'm always surprised when guys travel half way across the world only to buy what they could get back home. Half the reason to spend you cash is so you can get what you normally couldn't get back home.
I personally can get 22 yo and older girls for free quite often. It's the young 18-19 yo market I can't for free and that is why I pay for them.So you fly half way around the world. Spend about 3k USD
Just to fuck girls 2 or 3 years younger than what you get all day for free back home. Thats crazy. JMHO Unless the ones back home are fat ugly bulldog looking women. Then I understand.
Very few girls insist on Condom in AC.
All of the girls I've had that asked to use a condom were from the bigger bars and some were the 3000p girls. Not sure if there is a correlation or not.
White Whale
08-25-10, 06:38
Subic Bay is in driving distance of AC, not sure of the quality of the sand though.
The sand contains black volcanic particles so it seems "dirty" and when sun shines it instantly becomes hot as hell.
WestCoast1
08-25-10, 07:08
I handle things differently. When a girl says "no", I think "maybe". When a girl says "yes" right of the bat, I figure she is probably saying yes to a different guy every night, and is worn out by the end of her second week at the bar. I have found that the best girls are the ones you have to work for. Sometimes it can take two or three drinks to change her mind, or sometimes you will have to see her two or three different nights before she will go with you. But in the end, generally, the harder I have to work for a girl, the better the sex will be.
And while a girl will never tell you she wants more money for Anal, or an extra 500 pesos just to go with you, when a girl says "no", offering her more money will often change her mind.To each his own. I prefer to take girls willing to do my thing. Working to get her to see it my way is usually a waste of time (if she doesn't do anal, she doesn't do it). If she does, but plays hard to get... have a good evening hun. Can you send your couzin over that does?
And as for the tip, I gave her a 1, 000 pesos and she was very happy. She never mentioned an amount and I could have just given her 500P, but I offered her a big tipYou gave her more in tip (1000) than she made (p700) on the p1400 barfine. If she's the hottie you claim, she might have short-timed another gent just before she met you, and was sore, hence unwilling and playing hard-to-get, driving your price up. She might have been willing to go with a different customer for the cost of the barfine alone. Nobody knows.
and she certainly held up her end of the bargain, so she desearved it.What end of the bargain? To go with you for a big tip? That's not a bargain (its just the opposite). She short-timed you for the cost of a barfine (that's no bargain). She made out like a bandita. So many other girls were willing to go with you (and spend the entire night, and perform 2x), for just the cost of the barfine. Of course, maybe Subic is like Burgos/Makati, where the girls only go for large tip + large barfine? In which case, there is no bargain.
WestCoast1
08-25-10, 07:22
All of the girls I've had that asked to use a condom were from the bigger bars and some were the 3000p girls. Not sure if there is a correlation or not.Of all the gf's, bargirls, mall pickups, chatmates, etc. Only 3 pinay ever mentioned a condom. Well, two mentioned it by asking if I preferred it, and one insisted (an AC bargirl). A whopping three.
White whale has described the sand, bring slippers / booties. I just got back from Enoshima beach (japan)...damn hot with all the Fuji volcanic ash -- black sand.
Subic Bay is also a bit industrial, and you do find quite a bit of garbage on the beach. Nevertheless, if you like shagging outdoors, this may be the place for you. Blue Rock or Orchid have pools and beach access.
In the past folks have recommended the La Union beaches as a viable AC alternative. It's been 30 years since I've been there, so hope you give it a try and report back.
X
What are the beach options near AC? I will be visiting a friend or 3 in AC soon and want to take them to a good beach within driving distance. Don't want to fly them to Baracay. I would prefer a white sand beach with blue water and shade for shagging in the bushes. Any place like that around Luzon?
Very few girls insist on Condom in AC. Some bars give out condoms to the girl when she is barfined. Most are small size. I take my own supply.
I really do not know why AC bar owners do not teach safe sex to these girls.
When the US was running Clark AB, USAF nurses/medics would teach classes the girls had to attend before starting work. There was a deal with the mayor's office. The USAF would provide the classes and the mayor would not allow the girls to get IDs without the training. I accidentally walked into a bar while a class was going on and slipped back out.
I never used a condom so the training was not effective. I was clipped so no little ones left behind. Was lucky, only caught NSU twice and nothing worse.
Slim
Yes, I think your conclusion is spot on. If one is looking for an active freelance scene, I don't think Angeles would be my recommendation. Too many scams connected to what little exists here, and in the end one is only getting a criminal or off-work bar girl. I thought LA Cafe was closed, but I don't follow it that closely, maybe it re-opened. Manila has a large number of high end disco's and would think chances of picking up a pro, semi pro would be much better.
Only Freelancers I found are in Skytrax Disco. Many are there after they do ST with somebody. Most are bargirls and occasionally you can find normal girls in groups. You maye able to talk,dance with them but I would think sex with them is a drawn out affair if you get luckly. There are obvious hookers known to the staff there. Is it a good idea to pick them up?
Use your own common sense. I have gone there many times to dance with my barfine. Never alone.
There are girls in groups walking on fields who are available. But it takes little daring to proposition them. I have picked a sweetie one time who was a ex bargirl but had to take off to give birth. Only problem was she was available only for st since she needs to go home by morning. I was having something to eat at Moe's and her and her friends wallked up and down couple of times. She was the only pretty one in the group. She smiled and I motioned her to come in. She sat with me and the deal was done. I would not recommend this because of the scams in AC. Better to leave the streetwalkers alone.
YMMV but when Im in the mood for an adult playground to screw an endless conga line of young women in the shortest possible time with minimum outlay of money, AC is my 'goto' place. Never had a runner or dud..
AVI think you are either a very lucky guy or you have a special built in 6th sense that detect the hidden soon to be dud and runners. Tpp bad I don't have your 6th sense and have to rely on my own instincts and questions to the chicks.
I am not a newbie on the monger scene as I frequent Thailand mostly in the past and now transitioning to PI. My last trip to AC was only a few days and despite all the smiles and all the "yes" to questions of LT (and in from of their mamas) I had 2 runners. One said she had to be home to care for her family, even though in the bar she said her family was in Manila? Another said she had a clinic check she had forgotten, even though I did ask her this question at the bar. As a newbie to this forum (but not to mongering) I don't want to come off putting down the place , but just wanted to post reality.
Oh yes, about 1/2 the chicks insisted on condoms whereas when I monger in LOS. it was about 95% insisted on condoms.
Cheers,
FZ
A newbie here, a question for all you mongers.
Where in your humble opinion is the cheapest fun place in SE Asia?If you can find the local brothels (although not many remains in PP) I would have to say Cambodia. Last time out, it was $4-5 for a starfish f*ck. Also note that they are NOT the prettiest but a few were passable, or at least enough to get your woody up.
FZ
Very few girls insist on Condom in AC.
Not sure which bars you guys have been going to but 4 out of 5 BF on my last trip actually initiated condom use.
Maybe I only pick the "good wholesome girls."
LOL
Ttriumph48
08-26-10, 05:30
I just walked by the La Cafe. It is boarded up. Definently closed. What a pity. Good memories there.
WestCoast1
08-26-10, 07:37
I think you are either a very lucky guy or you have a special built in 6th sense that detect the hidden soon to be dud and runners. Tpp bad I don't have your 6th sense and have to rely on my own instincts and questions to the chicks.
I am not a newbie on the monger scene as I frequent Thailand mostly in the past and now transitioning to PI. My last trip to AC was only a few days and despite all the smiles and all the "yes" to questions of LT (and in from of their mamas) I had 2 runners. One said she had to be home to care for her family, even though in the bar she said her family was in Manila? Another said she had a clinic check she had forgotten, even though I did ask her this question at the bar. As a newbie to this forum (but not to mongering) I don't want to come off putting down the place , but just wanted to post reality.
Oh yes, about 1/2 the chicks insisted on condoms whereas when I monger in LOS. it was about 95% insisted on condoms.
Cheers,
FZFZ,
Good post. As I've said before about the condom, its almost unheard of for my past bargirls, chatmates, streetwalkers, mall pickups to ever mention a condom. They seem uncaring in filipines.
The runner. If the girl said or confirmed in front of the mamasan that she would stay a period of time, or perform an act, you have one of the few legit reasons to complain. Bars hate giving money back, its a bad precedent. The complaint will be met with the mama or bar manager confirming with the girl that she actually left early, and that you were not abusive. If this is the case, twice in the past (and almost one more time recently in Cebu, Sister's bar on Mango), the mama insisted that the girl finish her time with me the following evening. Once in Gecko's (last year), and once in Body Shop (two years ago), I got the same girl the following night after she ran. Both times there was quite a chewing. In Gecko's it was the mamasan doing the chewing on the runner. In BS it was an older waitress and the manager. They DON'T like girls who lie, either about the time, or about a particular naughty act. I previously dated an older waitress at BS and she had told me some bar procedures, including runners/liar girls, and even how they herd the girls for the weekly medical appointments. In each case, I got the girl the second night for an agreed period of time (the length of time she owes). My former waitress gf from BS told me that a girl who gets caught like this twice gets sacked.
Am I the only one who has had the bar make a girl repeat? Am I the only one who complains? I also understand the bars have a bunch of reasons to not deal with a complaining customer (if you were abusive or really drunk, or you initiated a naughty act that surprised the girl, if you offered the girl drugs, etc). Another reason they have for not dealing with a complaining customer is if the customer does not spell out to the girl in the bar what he expects before they leave. If he just asks her to barfine, and she goes with him, she is free to walk away from him at anytime once you leave the bar (although bars will be understanding if there is not at least one pop). My former gf told me that often a guy would come in and complain that his barfine left early, like by midnight. The manager would ask if he confirmed with her a specified time before leaving the bar. "Ah... well, no." Sorry, and have a good evening, mate. I think a lot of guys leave themselves open to abuse from the bargirl by not being specific (its not romantic to be specific). But, since you are a customer (nothing more to her or the bar), its a business. She has little reason to respect you if she does not like you (remember, she does not like most of her customers -- they are 2-3x her age).
FZ, I will PM you.
So you fly half way around the world. Spend about 3k USD
Just to fuck girls 2 or 3 years younger than what you get all day for free back home. Thats crazy. JMHO Unless the ones back home are fat ugly bulldog looking women. Then I understand.
I've found that in SE Asia (especially PI) most anything over 25yo can be had for free. 22-25, some are free some are not. Anything younger and you pretty much got to pay for it, unless you want to go through a roller coaster ride and waste time trying to score.
A lot of guys traveling to SE Asia don't understand that mid twenties is considered old in SE Asia and those girls are in less demand by Asian men. It's the young hotties that are in high demand and that is why you hardly see a large number of them. Most of these hotties get grabbed fast and/or sponsored up right away.
Everybody has their own preference and if you tend to like the mid-twenty and up group then you can save lots of money banging away in SE Asia. These girls clocks are ticking and need men much more than the young ones do.
WestCoast1
08-26-10, 07:43
FZ,
I'm having trouble PMing you.
the mama insisted that the girl finish her time with me the following evening.Wow, I bet that creates a great mood . . . not.
Maybe after long years in this hobby I've gotten too easy-going and philosophical, but I don't negotiate services or time period. I just find girls I like, pay the barfine, and see what happens. Sometimes they want to go after one round, sometimes they want to move in for the rest of their lives. It's the luck of the draw, and you never know until you bring her back and spend some time together.
Each to his own, but personally if I found a girl disappointing, I'm not about to take her again, not even for free. Life is too short and the money involved just isn't that much. Runner? Dud? Just go back out and find another. The supply is almost endless, and the more you try the more likely you'll eventually strike gold.
WestCoast1
08-26-10, 15:01
Wow, I bet that creates a great mood . . . not.The girl from BS was fine, but the girl from Geckos was on her night off. The mama was steaming mad at her, and a txting argument between the mama and girl came about when I complained in the bar. The girl and mama would txt, and mama would explain to me each txt the girl sent. The mama wanted specifics from me, what time did she leave, why, how much time did she owe, etc. When I told mama 5-6 hours, she told the girl to come to my hotel (central park), meet in the lobby, and stay 7 hours with me. Also the bar bought my drink (well, I never paid for it) as the mama was txtig the girl. Once at CP, she was initially very unhappy; she said she had been busy doing her laundry. We did not session during the time, it was about 9pm when she showed up. She followed me to a bar for a bit then back to the room, we showered and watched TV. She had lightened up in mood, but I wan't randy for it. We fell asleep. Stupid girl was still there in the morning when I woke up, sound asleep, she had spent more time than needed at that point.
If the girl was willing to bolt when I had her naked pic in camera, I'm sure she was a regular bolter. Bet she won't do that again, and it makes her coworkers less likely to do that to other gents, as the it was clear in the bar in front of everyone what the mama was making the girl do. Is this a bit anal, making the girl come back? Yes. But it also protects all of us from runners.
Of all the gf's, bargirls, mall pickups, chatmates, etc. Only 3 pinay ever mentioned a condom. Well, two mentioned it by asking if I preferred it, and one insisted (an AC bargirl). A whopping three.The big bar like Crystal Palace will give condom to the girls. If you are not condom friendly, better get the small bar girl.
What are the beach options near AC? I will be visiting a friend or 3 in AC soon and want to take them to a good beach within driving distance. Don't want to fly them to Baracay. I would prefer a white sand beach with blue water and shade for shagging in the bushes. Any place like that around Luzon?Only the Subic Bay is 1 hour distance, and it is not a white sand beach. All good beach is about 4-5 hours from AC. At the south, you have the Laiya Beach & Anilao(diving heaven) at Batangas. The north you have Pangasinan & Hundred Islands. Laiya have some very good resort. A favorite place of the Manila family.
Bet she won't do that again, and it makes her coworkers less likely to do that to other gents, as the it was clear in the bar in front of everyone what the mama was making the girl do. Is this a bit anal, making the girl come back? Yes. But it also protects all of us from runners.Thanks for giving them a lesson that not all are willing to roll over and be taken for suckers.
BTW: with the 1st runner I got in AC, I did go back to the bar and complain to the mama (although the runner was not there-perhaps she was having fun at the disco or sacking up with her sugardaddy-who knows). The mama just listen to what I had to say and did confirm she did hear me tell her the girl was suppose to stay until at least 9am. Bottom line, the mama just listen and did nothing. I do remember her saying it happens sometimes and she can't control the fact that her girl had to leave for "a personal emergency" and then she try to divert attention to me by saying maybe it was because I had done something wrong to her girl?.again, just putting the blame on me and excusing the girl. Sounded like the mama had some practice with runners and then not having to payback or waste her (and the girls) time. Also, during all this time, never even offer me a beer (being paid by me or for free).
So, when the 2nd girl bolted, I just said f*ck it and let her go and didn't bother to complain as I thought this was how business was done in AC.
Just a note, both bolters were from different bars. The 1st was from Cambodia bar and the 2nd was from Body Shop.
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Thank you West Coast1 for trying to PM me, but I am still new to this forum and checking it out for a little while longer to see if this is the place for me. So when the time cums, then I'll be a paying member with all the privileges like the rest of you guys.
Cheers all,
FZ
But it also protects all of us from runners.Well, it's a good cause and no doubt you've helped improve things a bit, at least at one bar for a little while.
I just suspect that, like it or not, we're in the midst a major shift in the whole scene in AC. The new generation of girls just isn't as motivated to spend the whole night (or even to go with customers -- some seem quite content just to collect their little salaries and drink receipts). The mamasans are from a generation that took the all-night thing seriously, so they do get upset when the girls don't. But ultimately it's the girls who will shape the way things work, and the trend now seems clear. Exactly what we saw in Bangkok starting about 15 years ago, Pattaya about ten years ago, and now Manila too. Always seems to happen about the time bargirls start sporting nicer cellphones than their customers . . . .
This is the probably the best guide I stumbled upon.
Includes satellite images
http://fieldsavenue.info/transport3.html
Must have taken the wrong jeepney on my last time from Dau bus terminal to SM Mall near fields. Flagged down jeepney with Fields written on the side on Mccarthur ave heading south but they only stopped about 1 block from fields on Mcarthur itself. Which jeepney from Dau bus depot will get me closest to the mall or to the other side of fields --near Perimeter, as my hotel (Brass Knob) is at the other end of fields ?
Thanks
Wow, I bet that creates a great mood . . . not.
Maybe after long years in this hobby I've gotten too easy-going and philosophical, but I don't negotiate services or time period. I just find girls I like, pay the barfine, and see what happens. Sometimes they want to go after one round, sometimes they want to move in for the rest of their lives. It's the luck of the draw, and you never know until you bring her back and spend some time together.
Each to his own, but personally if I found a girl disappointing, I'm not about to take her again, not even for free. Life is too short and the money involved just isn't that much. Runner? Dud? Just go back out and find another. The supply is almost endless, and the more you try the more likely you'll eventually strike gold.Absolutely right Betong. This anal insistence on forcing a girl to stay ranks right up there with screaming at local taxi drivers over the equivalent of $2 fare variance.. No wonder I have such a nice time there with no 'runners'. I don't approach them like hookers (they are) and dont treat them like that when I'm with them.
AV
I just suspect that, like it or not, we're in the midst a major shift in the whole scene in AC. The new generation of girls just isn't as motivated to spend the whole night (or even to go with customers -- some seem quite content just to collect their little salaries and drink receipts).
The tide has turned and AC has a different flow to it now. Nothing stays the same forever.
Also, I hear lots of girls are working the internet these days and making more money than if they work in the bars. I bet that is one of the reasons for the decline of quality younger girls.
It's still not a bad spot to hang out in once in awhile, but there are better places in SE Asia to spend money in and get a bit more value.
The tide has turned and AC has a different flow to it now. Nothing stays the same forever.
Also, I hear lots of girls are working the internet these days and making more money than if they work in the bars. I bet that is one of the reasons for the decline of quality younger girls.
It's still not a bad spot to hang out in once in awhile, but there are better places in SE Asia to spend money in and get a bit more value.
AC is one of a kind. It is hard to find young unjaded hookers anywhere in one small street. And the bars take it very seriously to customer comfort, routine of their shows etc. In Pattaya they couldn't care less.
As I have seen in AC there is a constant turn around of fresh girls. Very few girls stay and work in AC bars more than a few years. The mamasans do a good job recruiting more girls from the countryside.
Anyway the old adage of once barfined stay with the customer till morning seems to have vanished. Now the girls have learned their rights under the invisible barfine law. They have also learned no customer or bar can legally force them to do what they do not want to do. Besides they can easily find a new job in another bar if the bar people fire her. Many have found sponsors and quite happy to get regular salary plus an occassional barfine to satisfy their needs but they are very picky who they choose. Now it is important that the mongers be very nice to the girls they barfine and will be rewarded. AC girls are still non-dicriminatory about age,height, weight, national origin.
Have fun when it lasts!
this is the probably the best guide i stumbled upon.
includes satellite images
http://fieldsavenue.info/transport3.htmlha, thanks but i already had this web site and info from before on my last trip and thats how i ended up only on the corner of fields and mccarther. i was staying at brass knobs which borders fields/ perimeter and any jeepney that went to checkpoint would've been only a few min walk.
the jeepneys that left me on fields and mccarth., in the end i still have to take the dreadful trike to my hotel. that's why i just wanted to know if there was a jeepney from dau that went to the other end of fields.
cheers
fz (i mean cheapass)
any of you guys see the latest news on ac. i'll repost it here.
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angeles city cidg unit sacked amid extort raps
by ding cervantes (the philippine star) updated august 23, 2010 12:00 am
angeles city, philippines – the entire force of the criminal investigation and detection group (cidg) in this city has been relieved effective today amid allegations of frame-ups and extortion of operators of tourism-oriented businesses here.
chief superintendent leon nilo de la cruz, cidg chief based at camp crame, told the star that he has relieved chief inspector randy glenn silvio and the other cidg personnel here from their posts after foreigners and other local investors, who have grown tired of the extortion, sought the help of mayor edgardo pamintuan.
“i ordered their relief pending their investigation and they will all be replaced immediately,” de la cruz said.
citing reports, pamintuan said among the recent victims were the managers of a bar who were allegedly asked by cidg men to shell out p600,000 so they would not be charged for supposedly employing minors.
pamintuan asked de la cruz to investigate reports that the local cidg men recently staged “raids” on bars to allegedly extort from their owners.
he cited one case wherein cidg men raided a nightspot a day after one of their “assets” convinced the bar manager to employ a girl who turned out to be under 18 years old.
during the raid, the cidg men cited the employment of the **** girl as basis for a criminal complaint against the bar, but offered not to file any charge in exchange for a considerable amount of cash.
pampanga first district rep. carmelo lazatin, for his part, said he has been receiving reports on the extortion activities of local cidg men for over a year now.
he said one of the victims was his korean friend who was allegedly fleeced by the cidg men of his rolex watch, another watch worth p300,000 and a complete golf set.
“i urged the victims to file formal complaints, but despite my assurance that i would back them up, their fear for their safety prompted them to leave the country instead,” lazatin said.
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I just walked by the La Cafe. It is boarded up. Definently closed. What a pity. Good memories there.
Don't think its dead so relive those memories is now possible, it was reopen yesterday under a different name= Manila Bay
Shark
GoodEnough
08-28-10, 06:12
their fear for their safety prompted them to leave the country instead,” Lazatin said. __________________
In the aftermath of the tragi-comedy of the bus hijacking fiasco, the bottom has fallen out of the tourism sector here. Articles like this will provide additional nails in the coffin. It seems the greed, incompetence and pervasive corruption of virtually every sector of the country are finally coming to the attention of the world's public, and that the knowledge is no longer restricted to the donor governments. Who knows? Maybe the general public in this sad, failed country will finally cry "enough," and start to demand some radical change.
GE
WestCoast1
08-28-10, 07:05
Absolutely right Betong. This anal insistence on forcing a girl to stay ranks right up there with screaming at local taxi drivers over the equivalent of $2 fare variance.. No wonder I have such a nice time there with no 'runners'. I don't approach them like hookers (they are) and dont treat them like that when I'm with them.
AVTwo sides of the coin. One view is that if a girl runs, let her go, get another one tomorrow. The other view is, they are hookers (as AV says), and I'm paying them specifically to perform evening, morning, and having breakfast with me. A $2 taxi discrepancy is not the same as a $40 girl who runs. Few gents understand that many bars have recourse for this kind of thing. I too have girls that stay longer than expected (my runners are rare). However, as I sit at Kokomos and have lunch, I'm hearing more gents complain about runners (never heard that 5 years ago). A few more anal complaints might slow it down some. YMMV.
ManonsanBoy
08-28-10, 07:22
Maybe the general public in this sad, failed country will finally cry "enough," and start to demand some radical change.
GE
The Philippines need to get rid of 2 things:
the Catholic church and the seven families (very closely tied together). They need a revolution.
GoodEnough
08-28-10, 08:21
Not easy to precipitate any sort of sustained political action in a country of 7,000+ islands, when those 85 million or so residents who do not live in Manila, are largely indifferent to what transpires there. I think the number of families controlling 90+ percent of the country's wealth is actually closer to 250 than to seven, but I guess it doesn't really matter. As to eliminating the church, I think when you're abysmally poor, with little hope for the present life, the church, as corrupt as it is, may be the only solace for lots of people.
GE
Starchild2012
08-28-10, 10:39
The Philippines need to get rid of 2 things:
the Catholic church and the seven families (very closely tied together). They need a revolution.
Very True...i hope they get rid of at least one
Starchild2012
08-28-10, 10:46
Any of you guys see the latest news on AC. I'll repost it here.
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Angeles City CIDG unit sacked amid extort raps
By Ding Cervantes (The Philippine Star) Updated August 23, 2010 12:00 AM
ANGELES CITY, Philippines – The entire force of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) in this city has been relieved effective today amid allegations of frame-ups and extortion of operators of tourism-oriented businesses here.
Wow some news...Finally some action....I thought i would never see the words come alive when they say "the shit has hit the fan"
I think the current clean up could be due to mendoza effect ..
Not easy to precipitate any sort of sustained political action in a country of 7,000+ islands, when those 85 million or so residents who do not live in Manila, are largely indifferent to what transpires there. I think the number of families controlling 90+ percent of the country's wealth is actually closer to 250 than to seven, but I guess it doesn't really matter. As to eliminating the church, I think when you're abysmally poor, with little hope for the present life, the church, as corrupt as it is, may be the only solace for lots of people.
GE
It is like any other third world country. Few giant companies controlling the wealth of the whole nation.
It is no use getting rid of the Church. These people find solace in the church in spite of absolute poverty. Religion and faith hold the country together, otherwise there would be chaos. Churches also do social programs like food and clothes donation collected from other countries.
Cannot get rid of large companies controlling the economy. It is like breaking the spokes of the wheel. The whole economy will collapse leading to anarchy.
Only thing which can be done is decentralisation of the economy with local people starting their own factories producing products and selling. Other way is taxing big companies and giving the money to small entrpreners to start their industry. I have travelled to many provinces but none have really big factories providing jobs for locals. All have to travel to big cities to find employment. This is how many girls end up in LA cafe , AC , EDSA, Makati etc.
While it is a boon for us mongers this economy sustains a very small minority.
I had a GF whose father is a fisherman. He told me he catches lots of fish. But he cannot sell them outright. He leaves them at the market and if the fish is sold he gets a portion of the profit. If it is not sold atleast he can take it home and provide food for his children. Bottom line is he has no incentive to work hard and fish more.
Although I should say the government is building new roads and some infrastructure. But the population is a drag on any economy if the country does not progress like China and India.
ManonsanBoy
08-28-10, 15:48
This is not about our favourite pass time. I first visited Philippines in 1976. If anything, things are worse than in 1976 but in places like China and even Vietnam, things are so much better. Theirs is a hypocritical culture but the people are hard working and intelligent; their leaders stuffed them up big time.
Luckyguy7198
08-28-10, 17:16
...Only thing which can be done is decentralisation of the economy with local people starting their own factories producing products and selling. Other way is taxing big companies and giving the money to small entrpreners to start their industry...
Let's not forget the OFWs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Filipino#Economic_impact).
Maybe, export the one thing that's bogging them.
FurryFriend
08-28-10, 18:10
Only thing which can be done is decentralisation of the economy with local people starting their own factories producing products and selling.
Unfortunately, the Filipino people aren't generally the entreprenurial type.
The Philippines need to get rid of 2 things:
the Catholic church and the seven families (very closely tied together). They need a revolution.
IMO, without an armed revolution, none of us will live long enough to see the Philippines become a first world nation.
Aside from revolution, the Philippines needs leaders who love their country more than they love themselves. The Philippines leadership is filled with people who only care about lining their own pockets.
The Philippines need to get rid of 2 things: the Catholic church and the seven families (very closely tied together). They need a revolution.
Why? Would it effect our hobby? I would, however, doubt it! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Philosophery
08-30-10, 13:05
This is not about our favourite pass time. I first visited Philippines in 1976. If anything, things are worse than in 1976 but in places like China and even Vietnam, things are so much better. Theirs is a hypocritical culture but the people are hard working and intelligent; their leaders stuffed them up big time.
It all started with Marcos (about 40 years ago) when he created the 7 families and destroyed the free market system in the Phils. At that time, all of the entrepreneurial Chinese families ended up fleeing the country and the country lost its edge in Asia. Marcos created those families in order to consolidate his hold on the country and build his (non-benevolent) dictatorship.
a few notes from my visit to ac this past week:
- that story below about the investigators getting fired - that was also the team that shut down pony tails; word in knowledgeable circles was that the owner refused to pay a bribe, hence the shutdown.
- place was crowded as ever; no let up there. most bars still had multiple "doorgirls" outside, with the exception of the dollhouse group (which pony tails is part of).
- they announced that the pony tails girls would be in emperor's lounge (above club asia); i didn't recognize any of them, though, when i went to check it out.
- t-backs were also seen in places i'll leave to the imagination on a public board.
- dmia security confirep001ed my cheap $2 whisky at the gate. boo.
recommendations:
- dirty duck/forbidden city: terrible layouts, expensive ladies drinks, and extremely pushy staff, but damn if they don't have some of the wildest girls on fields at the moment.
- dollhouse - seems to have improved their collection as of late. more crowded than previously as well.
- black angus steak house - gf of hotel royal amsterdam - big, fresh (for ac) salad bar included in most entrees til 11, huge portions, good meat.
"un" recommendations:
- the international pub (formerly shano's) - changed their menu again, seems yet more expensive (and smaller)
- tropix - seems to be slowly dying the good death, but i could have gone there on an off night.
~ca
A few notes from my visit to AC this past week:
- T-Backs were also seen in places I'll leave to the imagination on a public board.
~CAForgive my ignorance. T-Backs? Dunno what they / that is / are.
Coming to AC next week--I might need to know?
Blackangst
08-30-10, 22:36
Forgive my ignorance. T-Backs? Dunno what they / that is / are.
Coming to AC next week--I might need to know?
Also known as thongs ;)
I posted this in another forum and I think it will fit here:
I spent the last four days in AC and I took a British friend (51) for his cherry trip. I wish that I would have taken a picture of his face in the first club :D
He is a shy guy and he has been in Cebu twice and Manila three times, but never bar hopped with me :D He was not too sure how to interact with the girls and I was trying to take him in slow and in his first bar he pointed to girl that my bar fine knew, who I had brought a drink for, and said that he would like to take her. During the LD he spoke 10 words to her and she did not really talk to him, but doing her job she said sure.
The next morning I asked him how was it and he told me that she okay, but not great. That afternoon we went into TI at noon and due to seats being full we sat at the table and I brought 5 LD's for friends there and we laughed and joked for an hour and my friend was amazed watching it all unfold.
We left there and went up to Niffy's for the PI@N bar hop and as we arrived early we had sometime to play with the girls and one girl went up to him and started playing around and joking with him. I saw him relaxing and having fun and before we left he asked her to go and she said yes.
Long story short, Saturday morning I asked him how it was and his smile was so big when he told me that it was the best that he had in the PI and the best he had in years.
I explained to him how it important to let the girl pick him and not just point and shoot. Well yesterday we started at LIA around 2:30 with Tonka Toy and did a shot bar hop and when we got to Honey Ko's the setting was perfect (only us sitting at the bar and a lot of sexy dancers) and it took him 5 minutes to let a girl pick him and this morning he told me that he had another wonderful night.
Some guys like point and shoot, but I think the girl should pick you. JMHO
Edit: By the way, he told me that he is ruined for life and he DID NOT want to leave and this morning at 5 am in the Manila airport we planned another trip in a week.
In the aftermath of the tragi-comedy of the bus hijacking fiasco, the bottom has fallen out of the tourism sector here. Articles like this will provide additional nails in the coffin. It seems the greed, incompetence and pervasive corruption of virtually every sector of the country are finally coming to the attention of the world's public, and that the knowledge is no longer restricted to the donor governments. Who knows? Maybe the general public in this sad, failed country will finally cry "enough," and start to demand some radical change.
GEI do hope that they "clean up" the corruption in the gov't and police force but don't "clean up" AC of all the bars and chicks( you know, the usual moral issue BS) like they've been doing all over asia.
FZ
Some guys like point and shoot, but I think the girl should pick you. JMHOI hear you bro and do somewhat agree with you as this was how I did it in Thailand way back when. But the few days I spent in AC I did try this method but it couldn't work as the ladies interested in me and came over were down right fat and ugly and a few were way over their expiration date. I find that many are interested in you, me and just about anyone cumming thru the down had no choice as they know we would NEVER pick them so they have to make the 1st move.--just my experiences and strictly point of view.
Cheers and Beers,
FZ
........ we planned another trip in a week.
will be there 4th till 12th of sep.
you too? or poopbunny?
anyone else for a cold one?
cheers!
will be there 4th till 12th of sep.
you too? or poopbunny?
anyone else for a cold one?
cheers!
no:( i am going to cebu. finally air phil is flying again and it will be my first visit since april.
i am scheduling a ac trip for 23 to 28 september:d
are you staying at the lg? i did my last trip and it will be the last time i ever stay there. i think they are taking all the profit and buying bars and not putting any money back in the hotel:(
started with manila airport pickup:( they had no hotel cars available so they contracted a manila company to pick me up. driver was 30 minutes late, and it was an airport yellow cab that cannot leave the airport without a customer slip. driver wanted me and my cherry boy to walk out of terminal parking lot (in the pouring rain) and wait on the street for him...i was like no way jose. he finally shot the gate, after driving around airport for 20 minutes, doing 60 kph and when they tried to stop him, he kept going.
okay we got out of airport and he doesn't take edsa off the skyway. i asked him where are you going??? he said he knows a short cut...two hours later he is lost and we end up on edsa about five miles from the airport. all told it was a four hour taxi ride from hell.
we arrive ac and the guy is driving around and i asked him if he knew where the hotel was and he said yes. i then ask him why he is going in the wrong direction...
arrive at the hotel and talk to the manager and he said, "sorry...something happened, i don't know what, not our fault! it was the manila company, not the hotel who picked you up". i asked him if i contacted the hotel or the taxi to pick us up??? no reply.
both rooms booked and the ac was not working right. rooms were 80 degrees. my last stay in the hotel in july my ac did not work and i had to move rooms at 1 am:(
the toilet kept running over in my buddy's room and the whole visit he had 2" of water on his bathroom floor...i could go on and on.
robb
will be there 4th till 12th of sep.
you too? or poopbunny?
anyone else for a cold one?
cheers!
just returned from ac :(
Are you staying at the LG? I did my last trip and IT will be the last time I ever stay there. I think they are taking all the profit and buying bars and not putting any money back in the hotel:(
Started with Manila airport pickup:( they had no hotel cars available so they contracted a Manila Company to pick me up. Driver was 30 minutes late, and it was an airport yellow cab that cannot leave the airport without a customer slip. Driver wanted me and my cherry boy to walk out of Terminal parking lot (in the pouring rain) and wait on the street for him...I was like no way Jose. He finally shot the gate, after driving around airport for 20 minutes, doing 60 kph and when they tried to stop him, he kept going.
Robb
I hear you. The rooms are starting to look tired (stains on carpet, curtains not completely closing, missing curtain runners, etc). This time I has 2 keys, one to operate the electricity and another regular key for the door because the electronic entry doesn't work anymore. Nearly every trip, I get a notice under my door about pool or restaurant closing for private function etc...
Still it's the nicest place in AC by far, as confirmed by the girls.
I haven't tried the new Savannah yet, but that would be my second choice.
LGH driver management could be better. Late is better than never. So the last trip I used Margarita Station for my NAIA pickup.
http://www.margarita-station.com/airport.html
I would use them again.
Which is a shame because I really like the LGH drivers and get along well with most of them. Just let down by poor management to reliably send drivers when you book them. 2 no shows by LGH out of 5 or 6 booked pickups is not good statistically.
i hear you. the rooms are starting to look tired (stains on carpet, curtains not completely closing, missing curtain runners, etc). this time i has 2 keys, one to operate the electricity and another regular key for the door because the electronic entry doesn't work anymore. nearly every trip, i get a notice under my door about pool or restaurant closing for private function etc...
still it's the nicest place in ac by far, as confirmed by the girls.
i haven't tried the new savannah yet, but that would be my second choice.
lgh driver management could be better. late is better than never. so the last trip i used margarita station for my naia pickup.
http://www.margarita-station.com/airport.html
i would use them again.
which is a shame because i really like the lgh drivers and get along well with most of them. just let down by poor management to reliably send drivers when you book them. 2 no shows by lgh out of 5 or 6 booked pickups is not good statistically.
yes, pool was closed one night we were there for a wedding, and the pillows and bed sheets are worn out, not to mention the towels. the towel rack was broke as was the toilet seat:(
btw, i really think the abc is the best in ac. for $99 a night you get better accommodations and better location.
i hear you. the rooms are starting to look tired (stains on carpet, curtains not completely closing, missing curtain runners, etc). this time i has 2 keys, one to operate the electricity and another regular key for the door because the electronic entry doesn't work anymore. nearly every trip, i get a notice under my door about pool or restaurant closing for private function etc...
still it's the nicest place in ac by far, as confirmed by the girls.
i haven't tried the new savannah yet, but that would be my second choice.
lgh driver management could be better. late is better than never. so the last trip i used margarita station for my naia pickup.
http://www.margarita-station.com/airport.html
i would use them again.
which is a shame because i really like the lgh drivers and get along well with most of them. just let down by poor management to reliably send drivers when you book them. 2 no shows by lgh out of 5 or 6 booked pickups is not good statistically.did'nt take it long did it?
pretty much the attitude all over this country, never put a dime into maintenance or repairs.
i prefer the small boutique hotels right in the middle of the action. better maintained & very short walk from bar to bedroom ;)
i'm never there to pretend i'm in a resort, i'm there to bang beaver in comfort..
av
I do hope that they "clean up" the corruption in the gov't and police force but don't "clean up" AC of all the bars and chicks( you know, the usual moral issue BS) like they've been doing all over asia.
FZBreathe easy brother, corruption is part of the fabric of society here. Nothing will change here for the foreseeable future. Kinda sad for the sake of the country but good for sex tourists.
Av
There is a new mall in Angeles City called Marque Mall just next to the NLEX. An alternative place to SM Clark to spend time with your BF or GF. This is quite some distance from Fields where most of us are familiar with. (about 3km from the MacArthur Highway junction). Quite a distance but not totally impossible to walk there.
The new mall is by Ayala Malls (of Glorietta/Greenbelt Makati) so they are more upmarket than SM Clark but not as upmarket as Makati of course.
3 levels of shops (about 95% occupancy) and cinemas. At first I thought there were less restaurants, but there are quite a few more at the cinema end on the outside (not accessible from the inside of the mall). I missed this because it was raining, I did not bother going outside to see and there was not sufficient signs inside the mall eluding to this.
I went to see a movie there too 120p. I prefer the SM Clark Cinemas because the seating is more elevated stadium style as opposed to MM shoebox approach. Sound was good in the new cinemas but the air-con was freezing and I am more acclimatised to colder temperatures than the locals.
They do however have Breadtalk and I love the Fire floss buns at Breadtalk. It was absolutely packed!!
GETTING THERE
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LGH charges 300p each way.
Trike about 200p
FREE
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Marque Mall has a free courtesy shuttle every hour at the half hour departing from the mall just outside the National Book Store. Note that is is just a small courtesy van from the mall and I recommend you get there 15 min early to secure a seat. The van than stops at Checkpoint/Friendship (where the Perimeter jeepneys terminate) about 10mins later. Just opposite the Ministop minimart near the Medgar Apartelle 200m white sign. Then they will pick up anyone from Fields wanting to go to Marque Mall.
Eg.
3:30 PM - Shuttle bus departs Marque Mall (outside National Bookstore)
3:40 PM - approx. Shuttle bus arrives at Checkpoint/Friendship (opposite Ministop) for dropoff and pickup.
still it's the nicest place in ac by far, as confirmed by the girls.well, nicest to them because it best conforms to their image of 'high class' as seen in the movies and tv shows. strikes me as kind of nouveau riche, and already a bit rough around the edges.
i'm with av here. i want a cool, quiet, comfortable room where i can sleep and shag, no pretensions of anything else. the main thing is i want is to walk out the door and be right in the middle of things, which counts out lgh and a bunch of other good hotels -- abc, europhil (or whatever it's called now), savannah, clarkton etc. still haven't decided for next month, but i'm tempted by the old orchid, overpriced and underspecified as it is. just too many nice old memories there . . . .
Agree. And then Wild Orchid. I'm curious why PB thinks LGH is the best in AC???
I have to visit again soon to do more research!
BTW, I really think the ABC is the best in AC. For $99 a night you get better accommodations and better location.
. Kinda sad for the sake of the country but good for sex tourists.
AvIt's good for me. So, does that make me a sex tourist?--ha ha
Cheers and beers.
FZ
Agree. And then Wild Orchid. I'm curious why PB thinks LGH is the best in AC???
I have to visit again soon to do more research!
Actually I do not think LGH is the best in AC. That would go to Holiday Inn. However one would have to be colour blind to find their green coloured rooms any pleasant, but it is a hotel of any international standard. LGH does not come close.
In terms of rooms, I like LGH. Also the girls (who has probably visited every hotel in AC) seems to find LGH the best (at least the ones I BF anyway).
Also my comments are about the hotels regardless of the distance/convenience.
If you find LGH far, Holiday Inn is much further. LGH is really not far at all by any standard (eg. if you stay in a nice hotel in Pattaya you will most likely need a tuk tuk to get back), and the LGH free car will pick you up from outside the bar entrance, means I will probably walk less than if I stayed at Wild Orchid, etc.
I like my hotels far away from the discos/bars as I like it very quiet at night. But not too far (counts out Holiday Inn). LGH or ABC would be just nice.
There is a new LGH development (Penthouse Hotel) on A Santos. I might try it if I am still mongering by the time it finishes.
Undakovabrotha
09-02-10, 00:36
actually i do not think lgh is the best in ac. that would go to holiday inn. however one would have to be colour blind to find their green coloured rooms any pleasant, but it is a hotel of any international standard. lgh does not come close.
in terms of rooms, i like lgh. also the girls (who has probably visited every hotel in ac) seems to find lgh the best (at least the ones i bf anyway).
also my comments are about the hotels regardless of the distance/convenience.
if you find lgh far, holiday inn is much further. lgh is really not far at all by any standard (eg. if you stay in a nice hotel in pattaya you will most likely need a tuk tuk to get back), and the lgh free car will pick you up from outside the bar entrance, means i will probably walk less than if i stayed at wild orchid, etc.
i like my hotels far away from the discos/bars as i like it very quiet at night. but not too far (counts out holiday inn). lgh or abc would be just nice.
there is a new lgh development (penthouse hotel) on a santos. i might try it if i am still mongering by the time it finishes.
lgh is by far a good choice. the hotel is walking distance to the action. who cares what the girls think! they will go with you to the 800 pesos a night hotels as long as you pay. but, if you do a little research, you will find some very nice hotels for good prices =x.
Undakovabrotha
09-02-10, 00:45
AC is one of a kind. It is hard to find young unjaded hookers anywhere in one small street. And the bars take it very seriously to customer comfort, routine of their shows etc. In Pattaya they couldn't care less.
As I have seen in AC there is a constant turn around of fresh girls. Very few girls stay and work in AC bars more than a few years. The mamasans do a good job recruiting more girls from the countryside.
Anyway the old adage of once barfined stay with the customer till morning seems to have vanished. Now the girls have learned their rights under the invisible barfine law. They have also learned no customer or bar can legally force them to do what they do not want to do. Besides they can easily find a new job in another bar if the bar people fire her. Many have found sponsors and quite happy to get regular salary plus an occassional barfine to satisfy their needs but they are very picky who they choose. Now it is important that the mongers be very nice to the girls they barfine and will be rewarded. AC girls are still non-dicriminatory about age,height, weight, national origin.
Have fun when it lasts!
Bar Girls not staying long time? When did this change. I was just there last month. I bar-fined 8 ladies and all stayed long time...
What changed since early August?
WestCoast1
09-02-10, 02:10
Bar Girls not staying long time? When did this change. I was just there last month. I bar-fined 8 ladies and all stayed long time...
What changed since early August?Nothing changed. Most girls typically stay LT, without having to be told, with the exception of girls who are taken early; say before about 9pm (they will feel justified in getting back to the bar to try and get another barfine). However, Sammon is at least somewhat right: There are more runners than before. I too was there recently. I had a problem with a pair of girls for ST from Santos St, but they were not runners. All of my LT girls stayed till 10am or longer. However, I chat the gents at Kokomos around lunchtime, and I heard that from several. Previously on one of the threads I mentioned that separately several gents told me they had been in AC for a month, and had yet to have a girl stay past 6am, with many leaving after a few hours. There were always girls who would ST on a guy to get back if the bar was still open.
One thing I disagree with Sammon's post is that the girls can just quit and go to another bar for work. Most girls there are afraid of getting fired or quitting. Its hard to explain to your new employer why you up and quit or got fired. "I was working until yesterday at Honey Pot. I quit cuz the manager expect me to be barfining and even to spending the night the men. What the f*ck." Or, "They fire me. I refuse barfine 4 times last month." Or, "They fire me. I like to leave early. Customer don't like that. What the f*ck." I've dated waitresses and a mama and they tell me that the girls stick to the bar's policies, and get into trouble when they don't. There's too much fresh talent inbound from the provinces to put up with a trouble-maker.
Bar Girls not staying long time? When did this change. I was just there last month. I bar-fined 8 ladies and all stayed long time...
What changed since early August?We are not saying the chicks at the bars are not staying LT. It's just that many of us have found out that many are scamming/ liars=runners. At the bar she will agree to anything you say, and this was in front of their mamas, but once back in hotel, one shot later and the excuses comes for her to leave. I took out 4 chicks the last time in AC and had 2 runners and 2 very nice ones. That's half the chicks I took out. Many are posting.including me, that this is a growing trend in AC.
FZ
Doppel One
09-02-10, 03:58
But, if you do a little research, you will find some very nice hotels for good prices =x.
It depends what you consider a good price.
I've done quite a lot of research in my time and I can't find any hotels I'd consider very nice for a 'good price' in the general proximity of lower Fields.
Okay, I'm comparing prices to Thailand (which may be unfair - but I can't always see why), but I tend to travel to AC resigned to the fact that I will have to pay what I consider a premium price for a relative dump.
The hotels in the 2/3000 peso price bracket are okay but anything sub 1500 and things deteriorate: cramped rooms, no fridge, tired looking decor, old beds, miserly levels of ambient light.
To be fair its not just an AC thing. The hotels in Subic and Cebu are equally over-priced IMHO.
Any pointers anyone - a decent hotel in AC in the sub 1500 price range?
It depends what you consider a good price.
I've done quite a lot of research in my time and I can't find any hotels I'd consider very nice for a 'good price' in the general proximity of lower Fields.
Okay, I'm comparing prices to Thailand (which may be unfair - but I can't always see why), but I tend to travel to AC resigned to the fact that I will have to pay what I consider a premium price for a relative dump.
The hotels in the 2/3000 peso price bracket are okay but anything sub 1500 and things deteriorate: cramped rooms, no fridge, tired looking decor, old beds, miserly levels of ambient light.
To be fair its not just an AC thing. The hotels in Subic and Cebu are equally over-priced IMHO.
Any pointers anyone - a decent hotel in AC in the sub 1500 price range?
The 1500 peso range is about $30 U.S. a night, its kind of hard to find a room with facilities, on the main strip, with some level of quality at that price. In Angeles you are seriously into the extreme budget motel range.
But some suggestions: Geomania Hotel is off the main strip in the Perimeter road area, small hotel with about 12 rooms, think they are going for about 1,500p, run by Germans so has the clean factor one see's in many small German hotels, also has a beautiful swimming pool. But again it is off the main strip, but it is a fairly new complex.
There are a couple of bars running budget facilities, directly on the strip. The Paradise Beer garden has a couple of rooms they rent out, think they are about 1200p (approx. don't hold me to this). The new bar, called Golden Garter (in the same complex as the Paradise Beer Garden) has one manager's suite it rents for 1,800 p per night. Big room, Queen size bed, small frig, lounge area, cable TV, AC and two or three person Jaquzzi (spelling??). Both Paradise and Golden are located at the beginning of Fields, by the MacDonalds on MacArthur Highway. The downside to both is that they are not Hotels per se. The have no facilities outside of the rooms, etc. They are also above the bars, so there is a degree of noise that one has to accept, but that is also the reason one gets the price for the quality of room. Both have internet sites so imagine you could arrange accomodations through them.
Hope this helps
Are you staying at the LG?
Yes, as usual. Will check it out next week and report in the hotel-section.
Cheers!
Doppel One
09-02-10, 09:58
But some suggestions: Geomania Hotel is off the main strip in the Perimeter road area, small hotel with about 12 rooms, think they are going for about 1,500p, run by Germans so has the clean factor one see's in many small German hotels, also has a beautiful swimming pool. But again it is off the main strip, but it is a fairly new complex.
Matius,
Many thanks for the information, I'll certainly check out the Geomania Hotel with a view to triking may way to downtown Fields.
I used to stay at the Orange Lion which was about 1750 a few years ago (for long stays) and then they started to bump the price up.
1500 gets you a small standard room at the EuroAsia Hotel which was only refurbished a year or so ago. They have a very nice pool but the standard rooms don't come with fridges - sadly.
The 1500 peso range is about $30 U.S. a night, its kind of hard to find a room with facilities, on the main strip, with some level of quality at that price. In Angeles you are seriously into the extreme budget motel range.
through them.
Hope this helps
http://www.swisschaletph.com/
I have stayed at here and they list a standard room at 1480 P and not only was the room fine the food there is some of the best in town. At least it was last time I was there.
Bar Girls not staying long time? When did this change. I was just there last month. I bar-fined 8 ladies and all stayed long time...
What changed since early August?
I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.
I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.
Any pointers anyone - a decent hotel in AC in the sub 1500 price range?
A little over your stated budget but CP is a nice, clean, well managed place right in the middle of the action:
http://www.centralpark-ac.com/en/
WestCoast1
09-02-10, 14:45
I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.
I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.I've had 3 runners in 5-6 years in AC. None in Manila. One in Cebu (and recently). They are rare for me, but for some gents (re: the kokomos gents I mentioned previously) they are routine. An honest discussion of what you expect before you leave the bar never hurts.
LGH is by far a good choice. The hotel is walking distance to the action. Who cares what the girls think! They will go with you to the 800 pesos a night hotels as long as you pay. But, if you do a little research, you will find some very nice hotels for good prices =x.
I agree LGH is far better then Holiday Inn. In my opinion ABC is the best hotel in AC although if you are on a budget then LGH has some cheap rooms that might do the trick...
Very good observation Amjeck. Some guys have criticized these overpriced spotlight dancers, but the point no one wants to hear is that these bars are providing shows and these girls probably are quite happy with the dancing salary and don't really want to be barfined. Therefore the runner.
A few things that might also affect the outcome:
(disclaimer: I quoted Amjeck but these comments are not directed at anyone)
YOU! Your age/weight/disposition/ deoderant choices, etc. A charming mid-aged, chubby guy can do well. If you get a lot of runners, you might look in the mirror rather than whining about the gals.
YOUR hotel: If your hole in the wall isn't much better than her hole in the wall, she may walk. If you got a nice pad, maybe even a pool, good luck trying to get rid of her the next afternoon. Go to ABC or WILD ORchid and take a look at who's swimming in the pool in the afternoons. Probably the stunner you wanted to barfine, but somehow she got away. (Isn't that the second or third question they ALWAYS ask when you meet them. Which hotel?)
YOUR questions: Well, did you get to know her before you barfined? I mean a normal guy / girl conversation? This is my preference because I prefer GFE, but some guys ask, "how much, how long, how many holes, and do you swallow". Hmmm, as Amjeck suggested, it depends on the "type of girl".
None of this advice will guarantee anything. But it sure is fun experimenting!
X
I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers..
Undakovabrotha
09-02-10, 15:54
I agree LGH is far better then Holiday Inn. In my opinion ABC is the best hotel in AC although if you are on a budget then LGH has some cheap rooms that might do the trick...
Did you know that ABC has a surcharge? They tack this extra charge when you check out. I have to look at one of my receipts. But, I think it's a service charge. Ok, the rooms are already expensive then tacking on a service fee. I wasn't feeling it anymore.
Undakovabrotha
09-02-10, 16:02
I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.
I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.
I think you have to get things established with the lady before you leave the bar. If she says short time out the box, she would have to move on. I want to the option of kicking her out early or she stays til the morning time. Hell, I paid the money.
Undakovabrotha
09-02-10, 16:05
We are not saying the chicks at the bars are not staying LT. It's just that many of us have found out that many are scamming/ liars=runners. At the bar she will agree to anything you say, and this was in front of their mamas, but once back in hotel, one shot later and the excuses comes for her to leave. I took out 4 chicks the last time in AC and had 2 runners and 2 very nice ones. That's half the chicks I took out. Many are posting.including me, that this is a growing trend in AC.
FZ
You know what the Korean do? They request for their money back.
It's time to request for REFUNDS!
Undakovabrotha
09-02-10, 16:09
One thing I disagree with Sammon's post is that the girls can just quit and go to another bar for work. Most girls there are afraid of getting fired or quitting. Its hard to explain to your new employer why you up and quit or got fired. "I was working until yesterday at Honey Pot. I quit cuz the manager expect me to be barfining and even to spending the night the men. What the f*ck." Or, "They fire me. I refuse barfine 4 times last month." Or, "They fire me. I like to leave early. Customer don't like that. What the f*ck." I've dated waitresses and a mama and they tell me that the girls stick to the bar's policies, and get into trouble when they don't. There's too much fresh talent inbound from the provinces to put up with a trouble-maker.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree here.
As, I said on an earlier post. Runners = Refund! Us mongers most enforce this code. This is our tool against the Runners!
You know what the Korean do? They request for their money back.I'm not sure this is the best way to make your case. The Koreans tend to do a whole lot of things that many of us find rather nasty.
Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.An absolute correlation, in my experience. Often my biggest problem with Perimeter girls is trying to boot them out the next day.
One thing I disagree with Sammon's post is that the girls can just quit and go to another bar for work. Most girls there are afraid of getting fired or quitting. Its hard to explain to your new employer why you up and quit or got fired. "I was working until yesterday at Honey Pot. I quit cuz the manager expect me to be barfining and even to spending the night the men. What the f*ck." Or, "They fire me. I refuse barfine 4 times last month." Or, "They fire me. I like to leave early. Customer don't like that. What the f*ck." I've dated waitresses and a mama and they tell me that the girls stick to the bar's policies, and get into trouble when they don't. There's too much fresh talent inbound from the provinces to put up with a trouble-maker.
Yes, I agree here.
As, I said on an earlier post. Runners = Refund! Us mongers most enforce this code. This is our tool against the Runners![/QUOTE]
In Spite of what the bar people tell you it is all wrong. If you ask mamasan and some girls they will tell you if a girl changes bars, there is a black mark on them and nobody will hire them. This is all baloney.
Long time ago the girls and mamasans told me the same story. Now that I am friends with many they told me there is no such thing. Girls do leave one bar to go to another and you think they will tell the truth why?
Bars do not even other to check previous employment reference. Nobody cares.
I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.
I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.Ya, I picked a model from Asia Club, the one which had 2 sections on ground the floor and another one on first floor at Field. The girl was a stunner. She agreed to stay till morning and I paid P3000 for LT. However after 1 shot at the hotel she somehow had many problems. First, she told me she had gastric and needed medicine which was left at her quarters. Then, I gave her my medicine. After a while she told me she was worried for her 2 small brothers who were left alone. I got fed up and told her she could leave only after 2nd shot. She tried her best to make me hard again and finally after 2nd shot at 2am she went off.
White Whale
09-02-10, 18:43
Gents,
why you do not have your extensive hotels discussion in more appropriate forum "Angeles City Hotels & Accomodations"?
Streetlooker
09-02-10, 19:56
a few little tricks I use to prevent runners( not fool proof) is to find out if the girl I am interested in has kids to care for hers or her sistersor mothers brothers( boyfriends) or any other family members ect that are staying locally with her at her place. If this is so you have a pretty good chance shes going to want to leave has early as she can to get back to her obligations for the day. I have never had a runner who ran if she didn't have something more important to do. another trick I have used is letting the girl know I am interested in having a companion for a trip to Boracey or some other place she might want to go to. let her think she has a sucker but don't lead her on to much cause that's not right she will not want to go if she thinks she can gain from staying with you. another is telling them your vacation is almost over and you will be leaving soon they think you might unload a lump sum of pesos or baht on them cause you have extra
a few little tricks I use to prevent runners( not fool proof) is to find out if the girl I am interested in has kids to care for hers or her sistersor mothers brothers( boyfriends) or any other family members ect that are staying locally with her at her place. If this is so you have a pretty good chance shes going to want to leave has early as she can to get back to her obligations for the day. I have never had a runner who ran if she didn't have something more important to do. another trick I have used is letting the girl know I am interested in having a companion for a trip to Boracey or some other place she might want to go to. let her think she has a sucker but don't lead her on to much cause that's not right she will not want to go if she thinks she can gain from staying with you. another is telling them your vacation is almost over and you will be leaving soon they think you might unload a lump sum of pesos or baht on them cause you have extra
I don't think you need a trick. If you read my post 1062084 and follow what I wrote, you will find that you will have no issues. I have had one runner out of 121 girls this year. And to be honest, it was probably my best nights sleep this year:D
If you only go for stunners or showgirls you have to remember that they are in high demand and they probably have a boyfriend to get home to.
Robb
Undakovabrotha
09-02-10, 22:52
I'm not sure this is the best way to make your case. The Koreans tend to do a whole lot of things that many of us find rather nasty.
Ha! I am only talking about the refund deal.
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