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Robbaf
09-27-10, 02:42
Dacian, your PM box is full, please delete.

Robb

Robbaf
09-27-10, 02:43
Forbidden was close in one of the raids (not heard if it will ever reopen) and Sharks?--don't remember this one last time I was there (even though it's named after me--he he)

Shark
Shark is across from Gecko's on Fields. Only visited once, not a good run bar IMHO.

Robb

Tahoe
09-27-10, 08:37
Hello, fellow mongers,

My fourth trip to Angeles City. I understand there are lots of concerns about the future of Angeles City recently. I was there last week and it was the best time I've had since my first trip. I don't know enough about the local history and the politics but I thought I add some positive experience in Angeles City.

First about the hotel. I stayed at ABC (I've stayed at Wild Orchid, Royal Amsterdam, PB and LGH before). Although it is a bit pricy for Angeles City standard, it suites me the best for its location (close enough to Fields and yet far enough to be quiet). I used their complementary transportation extensively tipping the drivers 100P each time. It beats dealing with trike drivers who I think is the biggest rip off in Angeles City.coming back to the hotel, I still used trikes "happily" paying the asked fare. As other members suggested on this board, it is not worth haggling with the drivers and it is only a buck.

I spent 5 days in this trip and I had "only" 3 girls. In the past, my goal was to fuck as many girls as I can and as many times as I can. In this trip, I wanted to experiment something different. I thought about barfining one for more than a day and treating her like a girlfriend and see what happens.

First night, getting in AC very late at night, I barfined one from Dollhouse after barhopping at Blue Nile, Bedrock and a couple others. I don't mind paying for a spot light girl barfine of 3000P if I see someone I really like but, at 2AM, I didn't see anyone worth the barfine of 3000P. I barfine a regular dancer and when I got her to change, I was surprised how short she was. She could not have been more than 4'10.

I had 3 pops when we get in the room, middle of the night (morning) and when I wake up. She was adequately cute and performed well. Her short height had no impact on various positions except it made so easy to hold her standing up (you know what I'm talking about.

The second day, I start early hitting a few bars and end up in Lancelot where I had so much fun in my prior trips. After a couple of hours of partying with waitresses, mama-sans, and some dancers, I finally pick one and take her barhopping before talking her to my den. She was not stunning but reasonably cute and stylish which I personally liked. She has not been taken barhopping before and she really enjoyed different bars and I made sure she enjoyed the experience as much as I was.

She is 23, no kids and average build/average height. In the room, DFK, BBBJ, DATY and so on. She was more than accommodating all night all morning (yeah, I was a bit horny that night) and quite a sweet girl. Next day, I ask her if she wants to go to SM Mall and see a movie and lunch. "why not? ". It was quite a pleasant afternoon at the SM Mall. I buy her some accessories which she really liked (she likes that stuff and I picked couple of earrings for her). After coming back to my den and (of course) one more pop, I ask her if she wants to get barfined again tonight. "why not". Yeah, that was a dumb question or I was on a power trip or something.

I was pretty tired so we have dinner together and take her to Lancelot and pay the barfine. My plan was to leave her at the bar and come back later that night after taking a nap. I told her I have some work to do (which was true) and would come back and get her and her 19 yo cherry sister and 18 yo cherry cousin and go to SkyTrax or something. Well, she didn't get it or she didn't want to leave me alone. She followed me out the door and into the trike.

When we came back to the den, I couldn't resist jumping on her and she was expecting it. I worked a couple of hours as she was watching TV. Every few minutes, I look over and she meets my eyes and smiles. Damn, this is too good to be true.

Later, we pick up her sister and cousin and go dancing. Her cousin was grinding her ass on my crotch and I keep thinking that one should be on my future list.

When we were walking on Field Ave at 3AM, someone calls my name loud. A waitress I was having fun with at Bedrock.

Question to fellow mongers: Should I start using a stage name? I really enjoy being friendly with girls in the bar and been telling them my real name. Maybe I should consider using a nickname.

Next day, my sweety is starting to question if I will dump her and get a new girl. Hmmm. I like her and probably can have fun for a few more days but a new prospect did cross my mind a few times. In the afternoon, I tell her I am meeting a friend and will probably go the bar around 8 or 9. She says 8. When she is gone, I do some work, take a quick power nap, take a shower and walk down to Pony Tails. And I find this new playmate, 20 yo, slim and. My fucklet #2 was history.

Question: I had a great time GFE and all that. How do you guys cope with all the emotional side? I was feeling pretty bad that I didn't go see her that night. Maybe she knows the game as well as I or better? Still sad.

Back to my fucklet #3. I must have spend 2-3 hours there eyeing some Spot Light girls but finally I spot one and found that she was just a standard (normal?) 1500 girl. We went swimming at the hotel and, in my den, I was pleasantly surprised she was all GFE – DFK. She says she has never done BJ and not about to do one there. I didn't push it as it may be a good project to get her trained. When I went down on her Y, she was absolutely going wild hold my head down there for a long time. Damn, this one is greedy. She definitely needs some training on reciprocating favors.

I had a great time with her all night and definitely do her again in the future.

Questions again: I gave her my legit e-mail address and we are exchanging e-mails (no, she has not asked for money yet). Bad idea? I have to make an monger specific e-mail address.

The next day, my last day in AC, I wanted to get a final BJ before heading out to the airport and went down to the blow row where I had gotten a BJ before. Not this time. It must be something to do with what's going on in AC. Girls seemed a bit nervous talking about short time and BJ. I just played with a cute 20yo girl before going over to a spa next to Pony tails for a massage. Legitimate and best I had in AC.

This trip proves that quantity is not necessarily better than quality. I still have many trips to make to AC and many experiences to have. As I feel I am just getting started, the news of AC raids concerns me and it doesn't change things for at least few more years.

I am back in US, drinking wine and watching college football now as I write this. Thinking I'd rather be in AC holding a cold SML looking over my shoulder to see a dark hair, chocolate skin Filipina smailing at me.

Ciao and be safe.

Blink157
09-27-10, 21:17
Hi,
nice report and good to see that you had fun and a good time.

I am waiting to contact my friend who will arrive in AC by tomorrow, to have his opinion on the bar scene at AC.
With regards to stage name. I use one, because my German name is quite difficult to pronounce. So I am Bill, like uncle Bill or pay my bills :D.

So if somebody shout at me while walking with my GF along fields (of course she knows my name) I can always tell, hey thats not me...
If I have some hooker with me, I dont care if they call me butterfly or something else while I walk along the boulevard of broken dreams..FIELDS AVE.

Blink

Sir Lancelot
09-28-10, 00:30
This is a diary of my first trip to the Philippines. I posted day 1 and day 2 in the Manila section.

DAY 3: Angeles

A couple of days in Manila tucked under my belt, the time had come to move on to Angeles.

There are a number of options to get there but I chose the 'Fly The Bus' service from Swagman Hotel, just a five minute walk from Amazonia. The ticket cost 600 pesos and there are three buses per day. Since I had missed the 11.30am bus, I had chance to have a leisurely lunch before the next one left at 3.30pm. The trip took three hours because we caught a lot of traffic in Manila and arrived during rush-hour in Angeles.

I chose to stay at HOTEL NATALIA on Fields Avenue, in the main action area. My 'standard room' cost 1600 pesos per night and was spacious with (good quality) cable TV, a fridge and a safe. The plush lobby also offered free internet to guests. By the time I had eaten, the time was 8pm and I was eager to explore the 'gogo capital of the world'.

I started my night at DOLLSHOUSE, arguably the most famous bar in Angeles. It's an impressive venue with a circular stage surrounded by seating. I was given a free bowl of popcorn with my San Miguel which was a nice touch. The stage was crowded with probably 30 girls, some of whom were very cute. Certainly the standard was far superior to any bar I had visited at EDSA the night before. After ten minutes everyone left the stage and a large woman came on to belt out a few ballads as six 'Spotlight Girls' shuffled around the circumference of the stage. The 'Spotlight Girls' weren't necessarily prettier, they were just taller and had paler skin. I enjoyed chatting with the GRO sat alongside me. Her name was Alex and she looked like an airline stewardess with her smart blue top and dazzling smile.

No time to linger, there were other bars to visit. Next I went to GENESIS which had a long stage crowded with 25 girls. All of them were young and some were very easy on the eye. Any hopes of a quiet beer were dashed when I was joined by not one, not two, but five GRO's! There are only so many times you can answer the usual "what's your name? where you from? where you stay?" barrage of questions before it gets quite tiring! One of the GRO's told me that a dancer who kept smiling in my direction, liked me. When 'Smiley Girl' walked past ten minutes later, I made a scene of calling her over and planted a big kiss on her cheek. This made her scream with delight and the GRO's fell about laughing. Places like this do wonders for your ego!

Continuing down Fields Avenue, the next bar I went to was CHAMPAGNE. Would it get my cork popping? It was much smaller than the previous two bars, with a narrow stage on which there were just 10 girls. There were a few nice ones, including a young girl with curly hair who was talking to a Japanese customer. For the price of a beer these places are always worth visiting. On the down side, I was joined by a waitress wearing glasses who had an annoying habit of saying "it's okay, you can talk to me, I don't bite" whenever I attempted to watch the dancers.

Next I went to CAMBODIA, another cosy bar with just ten girls on stage. It certainly wasn't how I remembered Cambodia from a few years ago - although I wouldn't have minded seeing a girl of the quality I picked up from a nightclub in Phnom Penh (another story for another time!). The quality was average although a tall girl caught my eye who had lots of tattoos and a sexy figure. The clientele seemed mainly ex-pats which suggests it's decent value and a well-run place.

A short distance away are three bars belonging to 'Nero Group'. The advantage of this is that you can buy your drink and then wander between the bars at your leisure. BED ROCK had a Flintstones theme, which meant the girls wore pleasingly skimpy outfits. There was a sign outside which said 'home of the wild' but only 8 girls were on stage and they looked bored (half of them had their arms folded). I walked through the side-door, drink in hand, to NERO'S FORUM which was slightly larger with 10 girls on stage. The girls were topless with just bodypaint to spare their blushes. As a bit of a 'breast man', I enjoyed sipping my beer in here for a while. Next door, BLUE NILE had an elevated stage which moved up and down to let the girls on and off. At first I thought the talent was average but then the 'next shift' took to the stage including a few beauties. A couple of leggy babes climbed on to the tables to shake their booty and a cute GRO kept smiling in my
direction too. This place had definite potential.

GOLDEN NILE also belongs to the same group. It doesn't look very 'happening' from the outside and you have to climb two flights of stairs to enter the bar itself. It's an interesting layout inside with 15 girls dancing on a double-decker stage. Although the talent was below average, I did see one girl who was bar-fine material. She was dancing sexily in front of a middle-aged man who wore that smug 'unlucky pal, this girl belongs to me' facial expression.

Although I was enjoying going to the different bars, by now time was marching on. It was 1.30am and I needed to be choosing my girl for the night. I considered going back to Blue Nile to bar-fine one of the cuties in there, but opted to return to DOLLSHOUSE instead. I was impressed by the quality of girls earlier and was confident I could find myself a trophy girl in there.

I sat down and almost straight away saw a 10/10 girl at the front. She was very petite with light brown hair and a breathtakingly pretty face. I decided that she was perfect. I told the waitress next to me that I'd like to buy 'Miss Perfect' a drink but at that same moment, she got summoned to join an elderly Japanese man on the other side of the bar. How annoying! I sipped my drink slowly and watched her with eagle eyes, hoping she might be freed from his clutches, but of course she wasn't. She sat there quietly, looking bored, gratefully accepting lady-drinks every twenty minutes. I left feeling frustrated that I was just moments away from having 'Miss Perfect' sat next to me instead.

Where next? It was 2.30am and I felt girls slipping through my fingers. Surely I wouldn't spend my first night in Angeles sleeping on my own?

I chose to go to CLUB ASIA next, near the T-junction at the bottom of Fields Avenue. There were 20 girls dancing and some real cuties, that's for sure. At the far end of a long stage, I saw a pretty young thing, looking very timid with her arms folded. I asked a waitress about her and was told that she was a ‘Cherry Girl’ (that's a virgin to you and me). The ratio of bar-fineable girls here was as good as anywhere I had seen in Angeles. Sat opposite me was an extremely pretty girl but just as I was deliberating asking her over, the mamasan called 'end of shift' and the girls jumped to their feet to get changed and leave. In hindsight I could have followed my favourite girl out and asked her back to my hotel (for a cheaper price?) but in my San Miguel induced alcoholic haze I didn't think quick enough. Another girl had slipped through my fingers.

At 3am, almost all of the bars had closed on Fields Avenue. I walked up the road, past a group of freelancers that looked suspiciously like ladyboys, before entering DOLLSHOUSE for the third time that night. I was hoping to see 'Miss Perfect' but she wasn't there, undoubtedly bar-fined by that lucky Jap. Dollshouse might be open 24 hours a day but without question the quality of dancers drops significantly after 3am. That's not to say that pretty girls can't be found though. I was served a drink by a cute young waitress called Narissa, who ticked all of the right boxes. As I was contemplating offering her a drink, the end-of-shift girls filed past in their casual clothes and I saw Alex, the GRO I had enjoyed chatting with earlier. She looked cute in a tiny pair of denim shorts, so I intercepted her and said "hello". She was undoubtedly the type to provide a 'girlfriend experience' so I made a snap decision - she would be my girl for the night.

Since she was heading for the exit, I gave her chance to suggest we meet down the street (i.e no bar-fine = more pesos for her) but she didn't, perhaps fearful that she could get in to trouble if the bar found out. So I paid the bar-fine (just 1350 pesos) and we left hand-in-hand.

Alex was 23 years old, very petite and proved to be a great choice. She was a lovely girl and once we were back in my room, a great kisser too. She loved being kissed on the neck, then I worked my way downwards, teasing and licking her erect nipples, further down to her hips and then her pussy. I love to tease, licking and kissing around their pussy, building their anticipation. By the time I started darting my tongue over her clitoris, she was very wet and writhed about on the bed, groaning loudly. I put on a condom and then fucked her as she continued playing with herself. This girl loved sex. We moved from one position to another and she especially seemed to enjoy doggy if the groans were anything to go by.

Despite the fact that it looked like being a frustrating night, it ended with an energetic and passionate session. Thommo was right when he told me that Filipino girls are carnal creatures and love sex. As I drifted off to sleep, I smiled to myself thinking that I still had another 19 days to go of this...


DAY 4: Angeles

Alex stayed all night, cuddled up to me as we slept. Whenever that happens, I'm far more inclined to give a generous tip in the morning. She left at noon and I spent most of the day relaxing in my hotel room, planning my attack strategy for the evening. I wanted to try some different bars but also I couldn't get 'Miss Perfect' out of my head.

After dinner I went to ANGEL WITCH near my hotel, a famous name in Thailand's gogo scene. There were some nice looking girls outside and ten dancing inside to rock music. The quality of girls was decent with one hottie especially catching my eye. She was chatting to another customer and looked a 9/10. A waitress, probably in her 40's, established that it was my first time in Angeles so christened me 'Cherry Boy'. I put my arm around her and called her 'Cherry Girl', which made a young GRO sat nearby shriek with laughter. You can have a lot of fun in bars like these.

On a road running parallel to Fields Avenue is TROPIX. It has a long colourful stage with 30 young dancers, a fair percentage of whom were pretty. The girls were topless and covered in different body-paint designs. Just as I was wondering how to apply to get the job as body-painter, I was joined by Chiky, a tall girl with light brown hair. She was an attractive girl with sexy vibes, so I made a note of her name (or rather she made a note of her name, on the back of my hand).

I moved on to BABY DOLLS. It's name suggests lots of attractive young girls but the reality was ten average lookers. That said, there was one cheeky looking girl with a curvy figure who caught my attention. Baby Dolls is actually the baby sister of Dollshouse and is situated back-to-back, so you can walk between the two bars.

Next door is CRYSTAL PALACE. 20 girls were dancing and I was joined by an exceptionally pretty young girl with long hair and a fringe. Wow, what a honey. I thought that maybe she might be my girl for the night, but before I had even asked her what her name was, she asked whether I would buy her a drink. Not a great start. I said 'maybe in a while' but that seemed to make her sulk, so our fledgeling romance was over before it had begun.

I returned back on to the lively Fields Avenue. I enjoyed walking up and down the street, admiring the groups of pretty 'Hello Girls' and absorbing the exciting atmosphere. On the down side there is a reasonable chance you might get run over by a lunatic trike driver and you will certainly get asked whether you'd like Cialis or Viagra on at least 20 separate occasions! I went in to FANTASY CLUB. Although I didn't see the girl for me, there was a nice atmosphere and plenty of girls, so I made a note to return on another night.

There were some elegantly dressed 'Hello Girls' outside FORBIDDEN CITY, so I decided to give it a go. My first impression was very favourable. 30 girls danced on a large circular stage, at the back of which a golden buddha statue watched on approvingly. I sat on one of the comfy couches and noticed that there were also girls dancing on a balcony overlooking the stage. Fortunately the 'talent' (quality of girls) was as impressive as the venue, with six fresh-faced lovelies dancing in the middle of the stage wearing pink saris. I presumed that these were 'Cherry Girls'. A few minutes later everyone left the stage and six 'Spotlight Girls' slow-danced to Sinead O'Connor's 'Nothing Compares 2 U'. Just like the night before at Dollshouse, they weren't necessarily better lookers, they were just taller and therefore supposedly more 'model-like'.

I made a note of one oriental beauty who took my fancy and moved on to PASHA, which had lots of young, fresh girls. Each girl took a few steps to their left every minute, so it was easy to get a good look at the talent on offer. Pasha seem to have a policy of employing young girls so I enjoyed sipping my beer and watching all of the nubile young bodies on show, especially thinking that I could be getting my own private dance from any one of them later that night. :)

After I finished my beer, I decided to return to DOLLSHOUSE, hoping to see 'Miss Perfect' again. There were more hotties than the previous night but I couldn't see her anywhere. My disappointment was short-lived though as I was joined by Jacqui, a cute girl in her early twenties who sat astride me and kissed me on the lips, all for the price of a lady-drink (p250). Her lipstick tasted nice. I thought about bar-fining her but I was still hopeful of capturing a girl of the quality of 'Miss Perfect' - who knows, maybe even 'Miss Perfect' herself?

CAROUSEL is another bar with lots of youngish girls and, as its name suggests, a rotating stage. I didn't see a girl to tickle my fancy but you know what they say, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Certainly it's a well-run bar as the girls seemed to be enjoying themselves. At one point a Korean pop song came on and, I swear, I've never been to a bar in which the girls have been dancing so enthusiastically. On two occasions the management threw ping-pong balls on to the stage, which was followed by a frenzied scramble as the girls tried to gather them in (for every ping-pong ball they collect, they get a small amount of pesos from the bar). Fun place.

Next I went to ATLANTIS, near Dollshouse, another of the 'super-clubs'. It is very similar to Forbidden City inside, with 30 girls dancing on a circular stage and another 20 on a balcony high above. I checked out the girls while eating my complimentary pop-corn and thought 'this beats the cinema'! On the down-side though, there were so many girls on stage, it was difficult to see those at the back. Then again, 'too many girls' isn't really the worst problem a gogo bar could have. :)

The talent levels were good but I decided to head back to TROPIX to bar-fine Chiky. She had stuck in my head, which was a good sign considering the amount of girls I had seen throughout the night. Unfortunately though, when I arrived she was busy talking to another customer. When she saw me she gave me an apologetic smile. Jokingly I pretended to scrub her name off the back of my hand which made her laugh. I finished my drink and returned to DOLLSHOUSE, hoping to see 'Miss Perfect', but again no luck. Starting to get a little desperate, I went to SHARK, namesake of one of my favourite bars on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. Apart from one sexy mover, the talent wasn't too impressive. I suppose honeys get taken very quickly in small bars like this.

By now the time was 3am and most of the bars were closing. I cursed myself for losing track of the time - most of the girls on my mental shortlist would have disappeared in to the night. Reluctantly I decided to head back to my hotel, empty-handed. As I neared my hotel, a couple of young 'Hello Girls' persuaded me in to CAMELOT. I thought why not, maybe it would be a magical experience?

There were 12 girls on stage, a few of whom were definitely bar-fineable. Although I was drinking in 'Last Chance Saloon' I got that familiar adrenaline surge when I know I'm about to take a girl. Despite the fact that there were some sexy movers on stage, I couldn't take my eyes off a very innocent-looking girl who kept giggling shyly whenever I looked at her. I invited her to sit with me and she was prettier up close. Her name was Myra. There wasn't time to mess about with lady-drinks (it was 3.15am), so I bar-fined her immediately for 1400 pesos. As she went off to get changed, I remembered some advice I had read on whorist.com. The girl looked not a day over 18, so I asked the mamasan whether I could see Myra's I.D to confirm that she was 18. I was surprised to find out that she was 22.

For the second successive night, victory was rescued from the jaws of defeat. Myra proved to be a real goer in the bedroom, with a nice little body, tight pussy and lovely pert tits. She wasn't nearly as shy as her onstage demeanour suggested. You can't beat being rode frantically by an innocent girl with that butter-wouldn't-melt-in-her-mouth appeal.


DAY 5: Angeles

Myra left mid-morning with a nice tip in her purse. I slept off the second successive night of drinking till late, then shagging till later, before rising from bed at about midday. It's a tough life in Angeles.

It was meant to be another day of relaxation but disaster struck during the afternoon. I was walking to the nearby 7Eleven when I tripped on a broken paving slab and fell. Unfortunately for me I fell in such a way that my groin area took the full force against the corner of the kerb. Painful doesn't even come close to describing it. A few onlookers came over to see whether I was alright, but after dusting myself off, all I wanted to do was take some strong painkillers and lie in a bath full of ice for an hour.

My plans for another night on Fields Avenue lay in tatters. Of all the injuries to pick up on a sex tour, why did I have to hurt my most important body-part? It felt painful to touch and even the thought of it getting hard, made my eyes water. I feared that Sir Lancelot wouldn't be lancing a lot over the next few days.

I bought some painkillers from a nearby pharmacy but by 6pm had ruled out any chance of lady-action that night. Worse still, I wondered whether my entire trip might be in jeopardy with only four girls to my name. Feeling quite miserable, I ate at the hotel restaurant and took the chance to have an early night. I prayed that my injury would feel better in morning.

The next part of my diary, days 6 and 7, will appear in the Puerto Galera section. After that I headed on to Cebu.

Ekspat
09-28-10, 00:41
Question to fellow mongers: Should I start using a stage name? I really enjoy being friendly with girls in the bar and been telling them my real name. Maybe I should consider using a nickname.

Usually I tell my real name and give my real email address.
I don't care, what should happen?

Cheers!

Tahoe
09-28-10, 02:15
You are right, Ekspat. Who the hell cares about my real name or a stage name. once I start using a nickname or two, I will probably forget what my name is supposed to be in AC LOL.

By the way, I did not mention in my report about a runner from Pony Tails. I actually barfined two, my sweety young dancer and a more experienced dirty talking "three holer" waitress. Three of us went to a videoke and ordered some food. then her phone starts to ring and messages come in. She says her daughter is sick. Maybe maybe not. I can't never tell anymore in AC. I wasn't going to ruin my holidays over 1300P and let her go with a smile and a hug.

I barfined a few naughty talking and aggressive in the bar waitresses in the past and never had a good time with them. But much better record with "shy" dancers. Just my experience.

Cheers,

Aus Dodo
09-28-10, 02:39
Sir lancelot,

Your info is very informative, I will be going to PI also in a month for the first time, i've been to thailand 3 times already. Your info will help alot, Do you have any pics of the girls you stayed with in Angeles city by any chance?

Tuan U
09-28-10, 03:20
Does anyone know the hours of operations for the buses that goes from Manila to AC? Is it on a 24 hour schedule or is the last hour of departure at midnight or something to that effect? In particular, I'm looking at the buses that leave Pasay and goes to Dau. I think that's a Victory bus.

Malibu21
09-28-10, 06:55
This is a diary of my first trip to the Philippines.I read the Whorist too, welcome to Philippines.

Sprokit69
09-28-10, 08:11
Does anyone know the hours of operations for the buses that goes from Manila to AC? Is it on a 24 hour schedule or is the last hour of departure at midnight or something to that effect? In particular, I'm looking at the buses that leave Pasay and goes to Dau. I think that's a Victory bus.Most run 24 hours

Sammon
09-28-10, 15:05
I heard Cambodia got raided last night.
Anybody who are there can confirm?

Eaglestar
09-28-10, 15:50
It also doesn't raise ones heart rate so you don't have to worry about heart issues.V does NOT raise your pulse, in fact quite the opposite, it lowers your pulse. This is why they warn that if someone is taking nitrates for a heart problem, they should never take V because nitrates also lowers pulse.

ES

Aus Dodo
09-28-10, 16:28
Hi Sir Lancelot,

Nice reading all the info, and it was all quite interesting, i'll be traveling to PI soon for the first time next month, BTW all your photos from your Manilla postings are great, The girls are stunning, Do you have any pics of the AC girls you stayed with?

Cheers

Aus Dodo
09-28-10, 16:43
I'd like to know what is members advise for a first timer, traveling to PI, I am fimiliar with the mongering scene in my home city in Australia, but am excited yet cautious about how things are for a first timer traveling to PI. I. E: Security, If its easy to make other tourist friends, picking up girls etc. Where are good places, and if not must goes for a first time mongerer in the Philippines, any advise from experienced members would be great!

Thanks

Anneelke
09-29-10, 01:13
I'd like to know what is members advise for a first timer, traveling to PI, I am fimiliar with the mongering scene in my home city in Australia, but am excited yet cautious about how things are for a first timer traveling to PI. I. E: Security, If its easy to make other tourist friends, picking up girls etc. Where are good places, and if not must goes for a first time mongerer in the Philippines, any advise from experienced members would be great!

ThanksAussie businessman who has offices in Pi and can refer you to a trusted local contact to assist you further.

Message me if interested to chat further.

Anneelke
09-29-10, 01:16
Does anyone know the hours of operations for the buses that goes from Manila to AC? Is it on a 24 hour schedule or is the last hour of departure at midnight or something to that effect? In particular, I'm looking at the buses that leave Pasay and goes to Dau. I think that's a Victory bus.http://philtranco.com.ph/

http://www.victoryliner.com/

Yella Man
09-29-10, 10:10
Usually I tell my real name and give my real email address.
I don't care, what should happen?

Cheers!

I use a nickname that I've had for decades. The choice is yours bro!

YM

Nvslim
09-29-10, 10:11
V does NOT raise your pulse, in fact quite the opposite, it lowers your pulse. This is why they warn that if someone is taking nitrates for a heart problem, they should never take V because nitrates also lowers pulse.

ES

My biggest problem is when my cock fills with blood, I get light headed because it takes so much. :)

Slim

Rubberyman
09-29-10, 10:15
I'd like to know what is members advise for a first timer, traveling to PI, I am fimiliar with the mongering scene in my home city in Australia, but am excited yet cautious about how things are for a first timer traveling to PI. I. E: Security, If its easy to make other tourist friends, picking up girls etc. Where are good places, and if not must goes for a first time mongerer in the Philippines, any advise from experienced members would be great!

Thanks

Suggest:

1) Read the forums
2) Read up harrythehorse (google it) and margaritaville or margarita station or jimmy regina
3) Based on what you read in 1) and 2) above, formulate some specific questions. For example, people will waste their time telling you the price of beer if you don't drink, or telling you the price of cheap hotels if you want top end. So if you read the forums you will be able to formulate questions that can be answered in a meaningful way.

Wadman
09-30-10, 04:26
Just arrived in Ac yesterday. Here are some quick observations:
- staying at central park hotel. 35 usd for their regular rooms. Staff very friendly but they nickel and dime you to death by charging you for toothpaste, toothbrush, shampoo, etc.
- started barhopping right after lunch yesterday. typically stayed for 1 drink, about 20-30 minutes per bar. Until 1 in the morning. 1 beer per bar over such a period is a fair number of beers, so I don't remember a whole lot of details about the bars. Will keep a log on my phone today.
- only saw 1 bar with thongs and that was crystal palace. Everywhere else it was short shorts and bikinis
- dollhouse has elaborate costumes and dance shows. But girls on the fat side and not in thongs. I thought it was lame
- the western food is decent in Ac. I don't know why some people complain. It's not gourmet but then it's not gourmet prices either.
- I am Chinese. Everybody thinks I am philipino. Maybe it's easier if I just tell people I am Korean.
- speaking of Koreans, I didn't see any problems. The ones I saw came in groups of 2-3, certainly not large groups. They were not aggressive or rude. They did like to throw money with pingpong balls, throwing peso bills at girls,etc. Mind you, that's based on 1 day's observation.

Key Master
09-30-10, 09:28
- staying at central park hotel. 35 usd for their regular rooms. Staff very friendly but they nickel and dime you to death by charging you for toothpaste, toothbrush, shampoo, etc.


What do you mean? Are they supposed to give you all that stuff for free? They are leaving decent stuff in there. But for me, I ask them to take that out as the women thing it's free and start freeloading.

Wadman
09-30-10, 09:37
What do you mean? Are they supposed to give you all that stuff for free? They are leaving decent stuff in there. But for me, I ask them to take that out as the women thing it's free and start freeloading.

It depends on the country and hotel standards, I guess. In some hotels, you get free (cheap, disposable) toothbrushes, toothpaste, and small bottles of (refillable) shampoo/conditioner. China, Hong Kong and Canadian hotels for example.

Central Park hotel does give you 3 pieces of soap. Complimentary.

Eaglestar
09-30-10, 13:57
My biggest problem is when my cock fills with blood, I get light headed because it takes so much. :)

Slim

Who was it that said, "God gave man a brain and a dick, but only enough blood to operated one at a time"?

ES

Blink157
09-30-10, 19:03
Hi,
its good to read here that it seems all okay now with AC. I read in another formum that Noynoy comes back with his pockets full of money for the Phils people...god bless US, even they did a mistake with the pinoy flag LOL.
I am still on my business trip in Europe but next month looking for a flight back to the Phils and I can say that reading all the stuff here makes me excited again, because I know how it is. You feel like in a candyshop.
@wadmann, no offense, but Central Park and PB Hotel, which belongs to the same owners are top notch value for money. Of course they charge you for the mini bar and the toilet stuff. If you dont like that you can also ask the maids to take the stuff out of the fridge and your bathroom so you can bring you own things in.
Maybe you just like my friend, who used to take out all the free stuff from the cr as soup and the little shampoo bottles hahahaha...no offense ok? Your comments about koreans were also funny. I know for them its very popular to ring the bell and throw money to the stages. They need some kind of attraction. Well, I have no problem with that. I rather save my money for pussy and beer :D
@sirlancelot I guess I have an idead about Ms Perfect from DH. Your right that some of those "spotlightdancers" from various places just more tall, but very seldom more beautifull as the rest. Of course there are some stunners among those, but they are very chosy for the customer and you did right to cut off any conversation with them if they start asking you right away for a drink. That pisses me off also, but there is always a reason behind this attitude. Maybe she has somebody waiting for her at the bar already or she is just spoiled from other customers who support her attitude. You have to know that with so many bars in AC you have so many options to find a girl who suits you, who gives you a good GFE and looks pretty too.
According to the numbers of girl you mentioned dancing on the stage, that number seems to me pretty low. On a normal day I see like hundred girls on the stage in Atlantis, 30 plus more girls on DH at the basement and 20 or more girls up and then changing shifts.
With the upcoming high season for ANgeles city starting now end of October, November to March I can tell that you will see very pretty girls ariving in town.
I dont know why is that, but I know that some of the stunners rest during low season and start working again at the end of the year because they need the extra cash for xmas.

Just a couple of weeks and then I am back. Cant wait.

Blink

Wadman
09-30-10, 19:37
@wadmann, no offense, but Central Park and PB Hotel, which belongs to the same owners are top notch value for money. Of course they charge you for the mini bar and the toilet stuff. If you dont like that you can also ask the maids to take the stuff out of the fridge and your bathroom so you can bring you own things in.
Maybe you just like my friend, who used to take out all the free stuff from the cr as soup and the little shampoo bottles hahahaha...no offense ok?


Blink, no offense taken. Maybe I should have explained myself better. I went to a 7-11 store today, and compared prices. Central Park hotel doesn't mark up prices for toothbrush, toothpaste, shampoo. Or maybe a minimal amount, certainly not the rip-off markup that is common with hotels worldwide.

Prices are clearly marked for each item, so it's not trickery either.

But what I was expecting was that that the hotel would provide, free of charge, some free (cheap quality) toothbrushes, a tiny tube of toothpaste (per day) and shampoo. I suppose what Central Park does is more or less the Philipine standard. It's just that I am not used to it. It's a personal thing for me.



Your comments about koreans were also funny. I know for them its very popular to ring the bell and throw money to the stages. They need some kind of attraction. Well, I have no problem with that. I rather save my money for pussy and beer :D


It's understandable that people in AC take me for a Philipino. But it's getting tiresome I tell you. They start speaking to me in Tagalog right away, and I know exactly 2 words of Tagalog. Not just in bars, but also at the SM Clark mall. On the plus side, I feel a lot safer walking on the street, even at night, because of it.

By now, in the bars, I now longer wait for girls/waitresses to ask or assume whether I am Pinoy. I tell them first thing that I am not.

Wadman
09-30-10, 20:11
Some more observations:
- the number of girls in bars are par for the course. I wouldn't know myself, since I am not an AC veteran. But the AC veterans (including 2 who live in AC) who are showing me around tell me so.
- the regulars in AC tell me the girl situation for them is even better than before the raids. They all have a posse of girls they can call and have them come over. And girls are more eager now.
- Dollhouse and Crystal Palace had thongs/t-backs. None of the other bars I visited did
- I shot some videos and took some pics in Doolhouse and Crystal Palace. Nobody objected.
- AC makes for a good holiday if you like to drink. Visited about 12 bars today, had 10 beers (2 bottles of water in last 2 bars)
- In Rhapsody bar, the virgin/cherry girls have another trick. There is only 1 price level of barfine in there, but yet girls' ID tags have 2 different colours (in Crystal Palace white tags are 1500 pesos for barfine, green tags are 3000 pesos). Most are white, but some are green. What happens is that ALL girls there wear 2 cards/tags: white with their photo, name, etc. And a green one with some other info. The "V" sign designating virgin/cherry is on the white tag. Non-virgin girls wear the white tag at the front (with green tag behind it). Virgin girls cover up the "V" sign on the white tag by putting the green tag in front.
- Some bars are skittish about barfines or EWR (early work releases). In a few, if the bar people don't know you they tell you "no barfine". And if you ask: "what about EWR?", they play dumb, pretending not to understand you. Regular customers who have been going there for years have no such problems; the mamas and girls just tell them straight what the barfine/EWR is.
- still have not made it into Atlantis bar. and it's supposedly the biggest of the show bars.
- Jeepney spaces are tiny. I am not a particularly big guy, but even I feel constricted inside a Jeepney. It must be hell on guys who are 6 feet plus. Jeepneys are cheap though, 7 pesos for a short trip.
- police presence on Fields and Perimeter (Don Juico) road are minimal, no more than usual
- I do wonder whether the Koreans in AC speak English. Cause I see some of them talking to the girls for up to half an hour. Surely the conversations must be more than "you go with me?", "I go", "you go with me?", "I go", "you go with me?", "I go", etc.
- SM Clark mall is about a 15-20 minute walk from Central Park hotel (near Fields avenue). It's a good place to kill some time.
- Philipinos in AC are very friendly and polite. This contrasts with mainland Chinese people, some of whom can be downright rude.
- Roadhouse bars had a lot of guys. Went in around 10 PM. More guys than girls. Seems it's a popular place for guys to just hang out, eat some food, and meet up with their buddies.
- don't wait till too late at night to look for a barfine. After 10-11 PM, there aren't many good ones left.
- it's just funny to hear girls say "porriner" instead of "foreigner". And it's not like they have problems pronouncing the "f" either. Anybody knows why this is so?

Artful
09-30-10, 20:21
Nice report WM.

You mentioned that some bars are 'skittish' about bar fines. Can you elaborate? Is it a majority of bars? Do you think it's because it's they think you're Fillipino and that a whitey is likely to have less problems?

A


Some more observations:
- the number of girls in bars are par for the course. I wouldn't know myself, since I am not an AC veteran. But the AC veterans (including 2 who live in AC) who are showing me around tell me so.
- the regulars in AC tell me the girl situation for them is even better than before the raids. They all have a posse of girls they can call and have them come over. And girls are more eager now.
- Dollhouse and Crystal Palace had thongs/t-backs. None of the other bars I visited did
- I shot some videos and took some pics in Doolhouse and Crystal Palace. Nobody objected.
- AC makes for a good holiday if you like to drink. Visited about 12 bars today, had 10 beers (2 bottles of water in last 2 bars)
- In Rhapsody bar, the virgin/cherry girls have another trick. There is only 1 price level of barfine in there, but yet girls' ID tags have 2 different colours (in Crystal Palace white tags are 1500 pesos for barfine, green tags are 3000 pesos). Most are white, but some are green. What happens is that ALL girls there wear 2 cards/tags: white with their photo, name, etc. And a green one with some other info. The "V" sign designating virgin/cherry is on the white tag. Non-virgin girls wear the white tag at the front (with green tag behind it). Virgin girls cover up the "V" sign on the white tag by putting the green tag in front.
- Some bars are skittish about barfines or EWR (early work releases). In a few, if the bar people don't know you they tell you "no barfine". And if you ask: "what about EWR?", they play dumb, pretending not to understand you. Regular customers who have been going there for years have no such problems; the mamas and girls just tell them straight what the barfine/EWR is.
- still have not made it into Atlantis bar. and it's supposedly the biggest of the show bars.
- Jeepney spaces are tiny. I am not a particularly big guy, but even I feel constricted inside a Jeepney. It must be hell on guys who are 6 feet plus. Jeepneys are cheap though, 7 pesos for a short trip.
- police presence on Fields and Perimeter (Don Juico) road are minimal, no more than usual
- I do wonder whether the Koreans in AC speak English. Cause I see some of them talking to the girls for up to half an hour. Surely the conversations must be more than "you go with me?", "I go", "you go with me?", "I go", "you go with me?", "I go", etc.
- SM Clark mall is about a 15-20 minute walk from Central Park hotel (near Fields avenue). It's a good place to kill some time.
- Philipinos in AC are very friendly and polite. This contrasts with mainland Chinese people, some of whom can be downright rude.
- Roadhouse bars had a lot of guys. Went in around 10 PM. More guys than girls. Seems it's a popular place for guys to just hang out, eat some food, and meet up with their buddies.
- don't wait till too late at night to look for a barfine. After 10-11 PM, there aren't many good ones left.

Wadman
09-30-10, 20:45
Nice report WM.

You mentioned that some bars are 'skittish' about bar fines. Can you elaborate? Is it a majority of bars? Do you think it's because it's they think you're Fillipino and that a whitey is likely to have less problems?

A

It's difficult to estimate what percentage of the bars I have visited are skittish about barfines, since I do have some longtime regulars with me. If bar staff see we are friends and yapping, they may very well assume everything is OK. If I had to put a number to it, I would say 20% of the bars.

The "Philipino factor" may play a role too, although a white friend (non-regular) was stonewalled in the same way.

Most bars will answer your questions about barfine/EWR directly. But if not, the magic words now seem to be "you go with me?" (to the girl). And then ask how many lady drinks you need to buy for the girl (usually 10, sometimes 12).

One more observation:
- Dollhouse and Crystal palace are physically connected. You can walk from 1 bar to the other without going outside. AND you can take your drink from one to the other, and in doing so save yourself from buying a drink at the second bar. It seems condoned by management of the 2 bars, the waitresses won't hassle you.

Mr Enternational
09-30-10, 21:27
I made short notice (12 hours) reservations via email with Margarita Station for a car from the airport in Manila to AC. I received a call at 9 a.m. the next morning to confirm an 11:30 a.m. pickup. The website says, "We do not accept reservations FOR NEW CUSTOMERS received within 36 hours of their scheduled arrival times." However I was already in Manila and included my PI phone number in the email. The cost would be 2400 pesos.

I wish that I had known that the airport was in the opposite direction of Ermita than AC. The reason being is that I checked out of the hotel and took a taxi to the airport to meet with a wingman who was arriving and to get the ride to AC. Had I known I would have just had the car to AC stop by and scoop me up after he had gotten my wingman from the airport.

As I had read in the forum the traffic in Manila was hellacious. Our driver tried to cut corners and made an illegal right turn in downtown Manila. Too bad some authorities saw it somewhere along the line. 5 minutes later we were passing some checkpoint and the traffic officer motioned for us to pull over to the right. Well the driver went to the right but he did not stop. He kept going.

About 5 more minutes had passed when two guys on a motorcycle caught up to us and made us pull over. I couldn't resist taking pictures of the event, although sneakily. The driver wanted to argue with the traffic cops. He showed the ultimate resistance. It must have taken them 20 minutes to finally issue him a citation. Then he refused to sign it. The officer was trying to force the pen into his hand. After about 5 minutes of arguing about not signing the driver finally decides to do it. Imagine 3 horny wingmen getting delayed an extra 30 minutes on their way to AC.

When the driver got back in the car he said that he had to go pay the ticket so he could get his license back. We were like what the fuck dude. He said that he could have paid 200 pesos but now had to pay 600 pesos because I was taking pictures. Although I was pretty sure the cops didn't see me taking pictures.

None of us knew where we were going so it seemed like we were riding forever to go pay the ticket. I told my wingmen there was no way we had to ride that far for a ticket so we must be on our way to AC. About an hour and a half later we got off the toll road in Dau (pronounced Da (rhymes with la) -oo (as in boo)). And 10 minutes off the exit we were at Central Park Hotel in Angeles. The total time from the airport including stopping for the ticket was 2 hours 34 minutes.

There are only 82km (51 miles) between Manila and AC, but the traffic on the streets of Manila really increases the time it takes. Once out of Manila it is smooth sailing.

Mr Enternational
09-30-10, 21:57
We departed the hotel at 9:05am. We took three trikes to the bus station in Dau. The drivers tied our luggage to the top of the trikes. 70 pesos each. One of my wingmen is Filipino and was speaking Tagalog with the people so I can only tell my perception of what was going on.

It appeared to be many bus companies at the bus station. When we arrived the trike driver took our luggage off. There were many young guys walking around with t shirts identifying them as working at the bus station. My wingman told one that we were going to Pasay (which is the neighborhood closest to the airport in Manila). He led us to the first bus smoking. The company happened to be Five Star.

As I said before the distance between AC and Manila is 82km. From Dau to Quezon City 53 minutes had passed. From here on in the bus made many stops throughout Manila to let people off. We finally arrived at the Five Star terminal at 11:30am. My wingman paid for the tickets so I do not know how much they cost. But if I recall correctly he told me that from Manila to AC a couple of days before he had paid 120 or 128 pesos for himself.

After we arrived at the bus terminal in Pasay we took a taxi to the airport. Again my wingman spoke with the driver. When we got into the taxi I told the driver to start the meter, but my wingman said he had already settled on giving the driver 200 pesos. It took us 20 minutes to arrive at the airport, which was right down the street, due to heavy traffic.

So it took us 2 hours 45 minutes from the hotel in AC to the Airport in Manila by trike, bus, and taxi. Total cost 70 trike, 120 bus, 200 taxi: 390 pesos. It beats the 2400 we paid to take a car all the way and was really simple.

Fast Eddie 48
09-30-10, 22:14
It depends on the country and hotel standards, I guess. In some hotels, you get free (cheap, disposable) toothbrushes, toothpaste, and small bottles of (refillable) shampoo/conditioner. China, Hong Kong and Canadian hotels for example.

Central Park hotel does give you 3 pieces of soap. Complimentary.Wadman,

Go to pacific breeze around the corner better room and free shampoo but it cost 10 usd more than central park ,when I first go to AC 10 yr ago central park only cost 24 usd everything is up now but it is different from CP.

Fast eddie 48

Robbaf
09-30-10, 22:49
I use a nickname that I've had for decades. The choice is yours bro!

YM
I use a nickname just for fun and I always have. I am know as Robb in Lollipop and I am know as Charlie in Treasure Island (TI). Image my surprise when I took two girls from Lollipop into TI:) The girl started yelling "Hi Charlie" and the girls from Lollipop looked at me and said, "I thought your name is Robb??". I told them Robb is my real name and Charlie is my nickname in TI:D

Last weekend I had a ST girl in my hotel and I received a Facebook email. I opened my Facebook and she said, "Hey your name is "____" and I just had to laugh.

Robb

Robbaf
09-30-10, 22:52
I short timed a girl last Monday and I was expecting one pop and out, but after we showered I felt like taking a hour nap and she said she wanted a nap also, so we slept an hour. I got a work text and woke up, answered the text and she woke up and rolled over and looked at me and said, "I am available!" and I looked at her and said, "What?". She repeated, "I am available?" and rolled over on her stomach and put her ass in the air. I asked her you want to go doggie style? She said yes and maybe cat style. I started laughing and I asked her WTF is cat style??? And she wiggled her ass in the air and said "Meow Meow":D

Robb

Sammon
09-30-10, 23:17
We departed the hotel at 9:05am. We took three trikes to the bus station in Dau. The drivers tied our luggage to the top of the trikes. 70 pesos each. One of my wingmen is Filipino and was speaking Tagalog with the people so I can only tell my perception of what was going on.

It appeared to be many bus companies at the bus station. When we arrived the trike driver took our luggage off. There were many young guys walking around with t shirts identifying them as working at the bus station. My wingman told one that we were going to Pasay (which is the neighborhood closest to the airport in Manila). He led us to the first bus smoking. The company happened to be Five Star.

As I said before the distance between AC and Manila is 82km. From Dau to Quezon City 53 minutes had passed. From here on in the bus made many stops throughout Manila to let people off. We finally arrived at the Five Star terminal at 11:30am. My wingman paid for the tickets so I do not know how much they cost. But if I recall correctly he told me that from Manila to AC a couple of days before he had paid 120 or 128 pesos for himself.

After we arrived at the bus terminal in Pasay we took a taxi to the airport. Again my wingman spoke with the driver. When we got into the taxi I told the driver to start the meter, but my wingman said he had already settled on giving the driver 200 pesos. It took us 20 minutes to arrive at the airport, which was right down the street, due to heavy traffic.

So it took us 2 hours 45 minutes from the hotel in AC to the Airport in Manila by trike, bus, and taxi. Total cost 70 trike, 120 bus, 200 taxi: 390 pesos. It beats the 2400 we paid to take a car all the way and was really simple.
I suggest taking Swagman fly the bus. For 600 pesos they will come and pick you up at your AC hotel and drop you off at Swagman , Manila. After that you can take Swagman van to the airport or take a taxi. Taxi will cost approx 150 pesos on the meter and 200 negotiated. You and your baggage will arrive safely at the airport without worries.
Your way to save 400 pesos is not ideal with haggling with trikes, worrying about which bus to catch and where to get off and always worrying about if your luggage is offloaded anywhere along the line.
If you are a group of 3-4 people it is economical to hire a car all the way.

Econo Tech
10-01-10, 07:03
I suggest taking Swagman fly the bus. For 600 pesos they will come and pick you up at your AC hotel and drop you off at Swagman, Manila. After that you can take Swagman van to the airport or take a taxi. Taxi will cost approx 150 pesos on the meter and 200 negotiated. You and your baggage will arrive safely at the airport without worries.

Your way to save 400 pesos is not ideal with haggling with trikes, worrying about which bus to catch and where to get off and always worrying about if your luggage is offloaded anywhere along the line.

If you are a group of 3-4 people it is economical to hire a car all the way.M too thinks trying to save a hundred peso or so. Is not worth it. Better swagman and if 3 guys or more, cheaper (on the long run) to rent a car.

Blink157
10-01-10, 10:24
@enternational. I had made this kind of trips many time. Trike to Dau, bus and then taxi to the airport. Hate it. I did this only if I wanted to stay as long as I can in Angeles city and then head up to the airport in one run.
Nowadays I would prefer to go to Manila one day earlier, enjoy the last evening there and then next day as well and then head to to the airport in order to catch my flight.
Another possible I did in my earlier years, was to leave AC with fly the bus early, then get a 3 - 5 hours or so room either in Swagmann or this other aussie run hotel just around the corner for 500 PHP or so. Walk to LA cafe or MBC now, had some drinks, get a girl and head back to the hotel room, f..ck, sleep, take a shower and get fresh to the aiport.
Anyway whatever you like to do, its always hard to leave Angeles city. For me now its very easy to leave that place, since I work in Manila and back for the next weekend over there LOL.

Blink

Barfiner
10-01-10, 16:14
I use a nickname just for fun and I always have. Last weekend I had a ST girl in my hotel and I received a Facebook email. I opened my Facebook and she said, "Hey your name is "____" and I just had to laugh.

RobbAt least I could not laugh about it because it might bring one in an very unpleasant situation, at least when one has a partner at home.

Wadman
10-01-10, 18:45
Wadman,

Go to pacific breeze around the corner better room and free shampoo but it cost 10 usd more than central park ,when I first go to AC 10 yr ago central park only cost 24 usd everything is up now but it is different from CP.

Fast eddie 48

Central Park hotel is 35 USD for their cheapest room now. Pacific Breeze is 48 USD minimum I believe.

I am just complaining for sake of complaining. Not that 50 pesos here and there really make a difference.

Wadman
10-02-10, 03:43
After barhopping and barfining our dates for the night, a group of us ended up at Angeles Yacht Club KTV around 11 PM, I believe (Goddamn if I can remember the times and names of bars after all those beers).

Angeles Yacht Club is an upscale KTV singing club. It's past Fields avenue (away from Perimeter direction), make a right turn, and then go for a few hundred yards. There were no other customers when we got there, other than the DJ, bartenders, waitresses, etc. But that's ok, since there were 9 of us.

We stayed in the main hall, although they have private rooms too. The decor was swanky, hardware was good.

After our first round of drinks arrive, the waitress informs us that there is a 300 pesos minimum per head. This is after the drinks arrive, not when we walk in. One of the regular AC guys complains loudly, says it's bullshit and demands to see the boss. Boss never shows up of course.

It gets better... For the first round of drinks, they gave us 1 set of menus. Most (regular) drinks on those menus were 100 pesos (which I thought was fair enough for an upscale place). San Miguel Light was certainly 100 p per bottle. After a while, those menus got replaced by another set of menus. Everything is the same, except for the prices. Most drinks are now 150 p. We get charged 150 p per drink at the end of the night of course. No tip whatsoever from us. No more mention of the 300 pesos per head minimum.

A bit silly on the part of the establishment really. Had they not ripped us off on the bill we would have gladly left a tip and the amount would not have been that much less. Plus then we would go back, because the overall setup was quite good (if you like singing, or watching your buddies sing). After the dirty tricks they won't see us there again.

Ezinho
10-02-10, 08:08
How about an updated account of the clubs. Lets start with Fields:

La Bamba: Went there during happy hour, 55 pesos for SML. I was not impressed with the line up here, not as good as last year. I remember this bar as fun for some reason. but I thought it was boring this time around. Just average looking girls.

Geckos: Biggest disappointment for me, the quality at the bar was great last year but average to poor now. Girls here like to scratch their throats while on stage, begging for ladies drinks, very annoying. 60 pesos for SML during happy hour.

Valhalla: Good thing about this bar is that happy hour is until 10pm. A couple cuties here. A couple of GROs were hounding me for drinks and wouldn't leave me alone. I left soon after.

Icarus: I popped my head into this club; completely empty, but the girls were still doing some choreographed dance routine. For practice? Very strange. I didn't stick around.

Honey Pot: I saw a nice looking 22 year old, childless, kind of looked Brasilian to me, nice ass and long curly hair. Bought her a drink but she was really shy/boring in the bar so I aborted my mission and left after that. The girls at this bar were wearing white stockings, looked pretty sexy.

Coyote Ugly: Found Fucklet #3 here (FYI, I have a rotating team of Fucklets), skinny 23 year old, expensive barfine at 1500, but as a resident of Barebackistan she gave good BBFSCIP. She told me she is on Trust pills and showed me them. Seen her a few times since, she asked if she could move in with me, I said yes at first but I've changed my mind since then. She says she's quitting the bar next week to go back to her province, doesn't like working in the bar. She'd make a good live-in, however, she's too clingy for me & won't stop texting.

One Eyed Wench: I went here last week when they had a promotion going on, free local drinks from 8-11, a great deal. Girls weren't the best looking, but good enough for free beer. I met a cute 19 year old here that I said I'd come back for, but I didn't follow through on it.

Brown Sugar: This place was closed for a couple of days, maybe because of the raids? Open again, some cute cherries here, if you're into that. I'm not, so I left pretty quickly.

Pony Tails: I like this bar, fun place, some nice looking girls too. 1500 peso barfine. Found Fucklet #5 here, she used to work at Stampede bar last year as the door girl, maybe some of you remember her. Now she's at Pony Tails, 25 years old (which is too old for me personally, hell even 23 is pushing it!) but she was a fanastic, wild fuck! BBBJ, BBFS, even anal was on the menu, but I'm actually not really into that. She's in my rotation now.

Dr Holms: Fucklet #2 dances here. They have some cute cherries and some ugly non-cherries, odd combo.

Gentlemen's club: They had some cute girls here, met a hot looking 20 year old with a solid body I wanted to barfine, but she was on menstration, showed me the pad for proof. I have a feeling she'd be a terrible lay, so I haven't gone back yet.

Emotions: I like the setup of this club, but the women are, for the most part, too old for me. Met a 28 year old with THREE children working here, no thanks!

Let's take a break for a second...ok, now for Perimeter bars:

Nifty's Bar: They wouldn't let me barfine here! It was my first time in this bar and the mamasan didn't know me, so no barfine. There is an incredibly cute girl here with huge tits, maybe 20 years old, anyone that goes to this bar will know who I'm talking about. Maybe another time.

Rio Bar: Right next to Nifty's, never been here either but I had no problem barfining from here, WTF? Barfined a 20 year old from Manila, covered FS, and almost a covered BJ too, she keeps texting me to do a "sn!ck out" but she wasn't a good lay. She's not worthy of being one of my fucklets!

Matrix Brawn: Still have the 500 peso BBBJ in the back room. Average to poor looking girls, and a couple of the same girls from last year! This bar needs some new blood badly. I like the concept of the bar, though.

Honey Ko's: This is the club to go to if you like to get a HJ for the price of a lady's drink (100 pesos). Got a HJ from a 20 year old with cupcake titties, and then barfined a 25 year old with A cups and big, long nipples. Good fuck, although covered FS. Maybe it's better though, since she does multiple short times every day, according to her. Fucklet #4...for now.

T&A Bar: Fulcket #1 works here, they have some nice looking girls now, and 45 peso beers during happy hour, I recommend everyone check this place out. 1100 peso barfines, too.

I went to some other places too, but I don't remember which ones. Same BS at Dollhouse and Atlantis, not my kind of places personally, but I'm here to fuck, not to throw ping pong balls.

Hasta pronto...

Blink157
10-02-10, 08:51
@wadmann
read your KTV story and being in the Phils since a long time working, then as a tourist, then working and living again I surely know this kind of KTV places.
I lived in Quezon city before and some years ago and when my boss visited me from BKK we checked some places after dinner.
Those places were all the same rip off. Some idiots flash with their lights into your face, let you sign something...I always get suspicious if I have to sing something. Add something here, something, there, cover charge here and there. Its all fuckn bullshit and rip off. Those places are mostly for pinoy guys or chinese pinoy businessmen and if you think as a foreigner you are a number one traget for ripp off in Philippines bars you had never visited those places..well, now you did.
There are some places who are ok. I know of one. Maybe you try that one when you head back to Manila. Its called Miss Universe, or Miss Universal. After raids they always change their name LOL. Its the sidestreet of Edsa ENtertainiment complex. So if you like to go to Edsa to check out the bars in Pasay (next to Ermita Manila) you might take a look at that place before. They have nude shows and modell alike pinays. They good looking. No rip off and its fun to start the evening like this.
There are some other places in ANgeles city, such as Pink Lady and one my GF mistress works as wettress. Belive me, they all rip offs, you cant trust them to go there when you drunk. Mostly girls from Pampanga worked there and if you talk to a Pampangan girl who happends to work in a bar in fields, she is bullshit anyway.
Thats my experience. If the girl is from AC itself, forget her, if she is from Manila, forget her too. If you have one from Cebu or Bicol...excellent. Leyte, excellent. Samar, well many of them are around in Angeles city.
That is also always one questions I ask beforehand I spend a LD or tink about to barfine her. Where you from? province?
Just be careful with KTV places. I think Blue Nile executive has also private rooms with KTV. I would rather try over there, you wont get so much ripped off as in places who mostly cather for locals. In short: You need to know the scene. Again, there are two I know. Juliana and Pink Lady. I also befriend some girls who work there or have one I could call my GF mistress. Lets see if that is still ok, when I am back this month :D
Happy weekend!

Blink

Robbaf
10-02-10, 09:49
At least I could not laugh about it because it might bring one in an very unpleasant situation, at least when one has a partner at home.
I don't have a partner at home, so I am safe. I add bar girls to my Facebook and you would be surprised how many see yours on their friend's and add you and you make new friends:D

Robb

Five10
10-02-10, 14:01
How about an updated account of the clubs. Lets start with Fields:Thanks for the effort to give us a good update Ezinho!

Khornal
10-02-10, 17:50
How about an updated account of the clubs. Lets start with FieldsI'm happy to hear Fields is striving again, how was Atlantis? I love that joint.

Hey crazy question but when you were at Coyote Ugly, was there a girl working there by the name of Angeline?

Khornal
10-02-10, 18:19
How about an updated account of the clubs. Lets start with Fieldsthanks for the update! i will be down there in a couple months and am excited to hear its still a popen town.

Crazy question, at Coyote Ugly last time there was a chick there named Angeline, does anyone know if she still works down there?

Malibu21
10-02-10, 19:46
After barhopping and barfining our dates for the night, a group of us ended up at Angeles Yacht Club KTV around 11 PM

After our first round of drinks arrive, the waitress informs us that there is a 300 pesos minimum per head. This is after the drinks arrive, not when we walk in. One of the regular AC guys complains loudly, says it's bullshit and demands to see the boss. Boss never shows up of course.You guys come to the right place but doing the wrong things. If you want KTV, please go to China. You don't go to the italian restaurant and order a yang chow fried rice.

I know even the 3 star hotel in China offer the Toothbrushes, toothpaste, shampoo bla bla bla for free, but you are not in China.

I have some friends who regularly go to China always like to compare this and that. Later I'll heard you say the AC disco is very small compare to China, the AC girl's skin is not fair and silky smooth, a $40 hotel can get you very big and comfortable room in China, massage no good and expensive, the fried rice taste like shit here.

You go to China to get some fair skin girl, massage, KTV, yi tiao long.

You come to AC to bar hopping and enjoy the GFE.

Malibu21
10-02-10, 19:55
How about an updated account of the clubs. Lets start with Fields:

Geckos: Biggest disappointment for me, the quality at the bar was great last year but average to poor now. Girls here like to scratch their throats while on stage, begging for ladies drinks, very annoying. 60 pesos for SML during happy hour.

Icarus: I popped my head into this club; completely empty, but the girls were still doing some choreographed dance routine. For practice? Very strange. I didn't stick around.

Pony Tails: I like this bar, fun place, some nice looking girls too. 1500 peso barfine. Found Fucklet #5 here, she used to work at Stampede bar last year as the door girl, maybe some of you remember her. Now she's at Pony Tails, 25 years old (which is too old for me personally, hell even 23 is pushing it!) but she was a fanastic, wild fuck! BBBJ, BBFS, even anal was on the menu, but I'm actually not really into that. She's in my rotation now.

But I'm here to fuck, not to throw ping pong balls.LOL

"But I'm here to fuck, not to throw ping pong"

Thanks for the update.

I agree the Geckos quality was drop lately.

I have a perfect dancer in Icarus long time ago.

Last time it was closed when I went there, glad to know it open again.

Tahoe
10-02-10, 22:52
Sorry to hear that Wadman had a "bad" experience. I sometimes like going to a KTV if girls are into singing and I barfine early in the evening and have time. For me, its a good opportunity to get girls to loosen up and get them into the GFE mode.

Girls wanted to go singing and the waitress I barfined said she knows a place close to Pony Tail. It is on top of JJ or J market close to Pony Tail? They said 300P minimum for one hour KTV and if we order food for 300P or more, second hour is free. I don't think they were rip off and the tables outside on the rooftop was quite interesting to have dinner if you have a girl to put her into the right mood. I will try it next time.

Even if I am paying for the "fucklet's" service, I find it interesting to pamper the girls a little bit (still it doesn't cost that much) and see their reaction.

Happy hunting

Freezone
10-03-10, 00:11
just wanted to share the latest news a friend obtained about ac.

can't really say if this is good or bad news about the future of fields

fz


posted on september 30, 2010 by angelescity

angeles city – from a place of honky-tonky entertainment district to a wholesome leisure and recreational area is what the city government plans for fields avenue and adjacent environment.

mayor edgardo pamintuan is pushing for the transformation of the entertainment industry as soon as possible obviously to erase the “sin city” perception of the people from outside of angeles city.

“in light of the close scrutiny on the entertainment strip, it becomes more necessary to concretize the transformation of fields avenue into a wholesome district filled with bars and restaurants,” stated in a press release issued by the city information office (cio).pamintuan toyed with the idea during an emergency meeting with owners of major establishments at the entertainment district shortly after his arrival from an official trip to the united states.

pamintuan said fields avenue being a wholesome entertainment area, would boost the tourism industry of the city. he said this is part of the city government’s plan to support the business sector especially the entertainment industry here.

the entertainment district contributes 40 percent to the city coffers in terms of tax, securing of permits and other fees, it was gathered.

last week alone, three beer joints were padlocked by authorities for violation of the city ordinances.

the raiding team composed of agents from the national bureau of investigation (nbi) and 3rd criminal investigation and detection unit rescued several **** girls employed in three beerhouses mostly catering to foreign guests.

at present, the entertainment district here is home to more than 300 establishments including hotels, restaurants and beer houses, and thousands of employees are directly benefiting in this industry.

meanwhile, pamintuan suggested to organize a multi-sectoral task force which will lead in the campaign against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and similar offenses.

Khornal
10-03-10, 01:03
Thanks for the effort to give us a good update Ezinho!I am happy to know when i come back to Angeles in December things will be the same, i was worried last week.

Crazy question about your trip to Coyote Ugly, there was a girl named Angeline who workd there, do you know if she still works down there?

Aus Dodo
10-03-10, 01:20
I don't have a partner at home, so I am safe. I add bar girls to my Facebook and you would be surprised how many see yours on their friend's and add you and you make new friends:D

RobbTrue that, unless you make a FB account specified just for mongering, than the Mrs wont know anything :)

Docwiltro
10-03-10, 04:55
I was walking to the nearby 7Eleven when I tripped on a broken paving slab and fell. Unfortunately for me I fell in such a way that my groin area took the full force against the corner of the kerb. Painful doesn't even come close to describing it.


Getting injured while walking down Philippine streets is a much underestimated danger while in country. The sidewalks are uneven, have unexpected holes in them, have rusty re-bar protruding like pungee sticks, and are littered with broken glass and other various debris.

I spend as much time looking down as looking ahead while walking down Philippine streets. Hopefully your injuries won't interfere too much with your vacation. Btw, the photos of your Manila t.g.'s were outstanding!

Hesekiels
10-03-10, 11:39
I don't have a partner at home, so I am safe.


indeed a very big pluspoint! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Sir Lancelot
10-03-10, 13:07
Getting injured while walking down Philippine streets is a much underestimated danger while in country. The sidewalks are uneven, have unexpected holes in them, have rusty re-bar protruding like pungee sticks, and are littered with broken glass and other various debris.

I spend as much time looking down as looking ahead while walking down Philippine streets. Hopefully your injuries won't interfere too much with your vacation. Btw, the photos of your Manila t.g.'s were outstanding!Hi. I like the irony that you're a 'Doc' and allude to my injury.

As you say, the roads are a real hazard pretty much everywhere in Asia. It's quite dangerous because when you're in Bangkok or Manila, Pattaya or Angeles, there's never a shortage of things to C. But if you don't pay just as much attention to the ground you're walking on as the girls you're passing, you can easily trip (as I found to my cost).

Glad you enjoyed the pics of the girls I posted in the Manila section. Both were from LA Cafe. I'm hoping to upload the latest section of my report in to the Cebu section today.

Malibu21
10-03-10, 13:42
A LOL "rescue" update report from harrythehorse (repost)

Things are improving in Fields Ave as far as the local PNP is concerned. They are walking more and now we have a very active PNP bicycle patrol who are quite visible. Now, if we could only get the Manila DOJ, CIDG and NBI under control we would be able to live in peace and attract more tourism. There is only so much money that can be spread around to satisfy the appetites of these people. As I said before, they could not handle a hostage situation but man, they are heavily armed and ready for a shoot out with the ladies on stage when they enter a bar. Then they gather them up in a phony "rescue" excuse and put them in rooms without water, and food for hours. They are treated like animals but hell, they have been "rescued".

Blink157
10-03-10, 20:57
Hello,
just read your update and I always wonder what is that cherry girls bull..sht in Angeles city? I mean in Thailaned I never met a virgin/cherry girl in the bar. I mean if you work in a bar you know what to do, I mean you know what is expecting you.
This is some of the really BS I dont like at Angeles city, the cherry girl bola2. I know I know I also barfined them sometimes..in my youth LOL, but now, no thanks, what for? Bad thing is, that sometimes the only girl in a bar I am interested is one of those dam cherry girls.

Blink

The Scout
10-04-10, 00:43
What's the nightlife like during the holiday weekend October 30 - November 1?

Tahoe
10-04-10, 04:44
Hello,

just read your update and I always wonder what is that cherry girls bull..sht in Angeles city? I mean in Thailaned I never met a virgin/cherry girl in the bar. I mean if you work in a bar you know what to do, I mean you know what is expecting you.
This is some of the really BS I dont like at Angeles city, the cherry girl bola2. I know I know I also barfined them sometimes..in my youth LOL, but now, no thanks, what for? Bad thing is, that sometimes the only girl in a bar I am interested is one of those dam cherry girls.

BlinkAs much as I agree with you the cherry girl thing is total lame and bulls**t, I think it somewhat represents bargirl mentally in AC. Often they don't see themselves as professional and many have dream of finding a foreign bf to take them out their misery. And I think this mentality is the base of GFE you don't find in may other destimations and it attracts so many mongers to Philippines for GFE.

It is very natural that a bargirl provides GFE if you treat them well like a girlfriend. But that sometimes leads to a precarious situation where a young girl starts to believe that she will finally be "rescued". Not leaving any illussions with the girls yet getting the service we desire is the sign of a real pro here, I think. ;-)

Now, when I enter a bar, I ask a waitress who the cherry girls are. I want to make sure my little head doesn't get fixated on a wrong target leading to a long night hunting.

Peace

WestCoast1
10-04-10, 05:20
Hello,

just read your update and I always wonder what is that cherry girls bull..sht in Angeles city? I mean in Thailaned I never met a virgin/cherry girl in the bar. I mean if you work in a bar you know what to do, I mean you know what is expecting you.
This is some of the really BS I dont like at Angeles city, the cherry girl bola2. I know I know I also barfined them sometimes..in my youth LOL, but now, no thanks, what for? Bad thing is, that sometimes the only girl in a bar I am interested is one of those dam cherry girls.

BlinkCherry girl. Last year I was in the bar chatting a mamasan. I was asking about this dancer or that dancer. I recognized one whom my buddy had barfined from a different bar a year prior. What a cutie. When I pointed her out, mama said, "No not her. She's cherry girl. She don't barfine." I played dumb and asked what a cherry girl was. "You know. She a virgin." Ohhhhhhhhhhh.... I see. She's either on her period, or told her current employer that she's a virgin.

Wadman
10-04-10, 07:41
How about an updated account of the clubs. Lets start with Fields:
....
Hasta pronto...


Ezinho, nice report. I wished I could file detailed reports like you. But it's tough for me to remember all the places.

So from what I remember from yesterday:
- Wild Orchid hotel had a pool party going. Nice change of pace from the usual barhopping. Free entrance and no pressure to buy drinks. So a no loose situation really.
- Tropix has all-day happy hour on Sundays. Yea!!! And I got introduced to the white manager and the Philipino manager. They bought me a drink each, and a couple of regulars did too. And then some more drinks appeared, somehow. All complimentary, so no dirty tricks. Only planned to stay for 1 beer and quickly check out the girls. Ended up downing about 10 San Mig Lights. Tip: girl #140 there has an awesome body: slim build with big, luscious knockers. Unfortunately she has some really crappy teeth.
- it seems like every second girl I called down from the stage is a Cherry (V) girl. Sigh... But once I call them down, I will buy the girl a drink.
- Camelot is open again. Girls not so hot looking when I went, so it was in and out. Didn't stay for a drink.
- Went to Aura bar, uh, don't remember all that much from that bar
- And then on to Angel Witch. A mellower kind of rock music. One of the girls on stage was making eyes at me, so called her down for a drink. Ended up taking her back. 1500 p. She is tall and skinny (which means no tits). Great attitude, doesn't mind me waking her up any time during the night for extra pokes. Took her out for lunch today. Then she had to go to "hygiene". Half an hour later, bumped into her in the streets again. She says her room has no aircon, "so hot"... So now she is sleeping in my room :-)

Key Master
10-04-10, 07:44
As you say, the roads are a real hazard pretty much everywhere in Asia. It's quite dangerous because when you're in Bangkok or Manila, Pattaya or Angeles, there's never a shortage of things to C. But if you don't pay just as much attention to the ground you're walking on as the girls you're passing, you can easily trip (as I found to my cost).

I have to say out of all the SE Asian destinations, Philippines hands down is the worst when it comes to their civil engineering or whatever engineering it is. The transition to steps or stairs in height or color or whatnot is pretty atrocious. Uneven pavement or floors it just goes on and on. I am constantly tripping on things or jamming my toes because of it and it isn't because I'm checking out chicks. It's because you can't see the lousy workmanship so easily.

Matius
10-04-10, 07:48
What's the nightlife like during the holiday weekend October 30 - November 1?

Same as any other time.

Wadman
10-04-10, 07:53
Sorry to hear that Wadman had a "bad" experience. I sometimes like going to a KTV if girls are into singing and I barfine early in the evening and have time. For me, its a good opportunity to get girls to loosen up and get them into the GFE mode.


Well, it wasn't really a bad experience. I put up the post about the KTV more as a warning and to relate some of my experiences. The guys and girls I went with were great. I had a good time there. The bill padding was really a minimal amount: they padded the bill, we didn't tip.

The guy who took us there has been there before. So an old customer brings some of his buddies. But still the KTV feels the need to pull dirty tricks. For a total net gain of maybe 200-300 pesos. And none of us will ever go back. Just poor business sense from the KTV.

FurryFriend
10-04-10, 09:33
As much as I agree with you the cherry girl thing is total lame and bulls**t, Peace

I completely disagree.

Prostitution is morally indefensible if there is coersion. If the girl is a cherry, she is exercising her right not to have sex. You, as the consumer, have the right not to select her. Everybody is free to choose -- that's the way it should be.

The bars hire them because some mongers don't mind just a blowjob or even just a sexless sleepover. Why not encourage bars to give this option?

Knowing the girls have choices actually makes me feel less guilty about mongering in the Philippines.

The truth is, the number of girls willing to have sex in a bar far exceeds those who don't. So why complain about it? Yes, the most physically desirable girls are most difficult to get. So what else is new? If she's OK with sex, chances are, she'd be snatched up by another mongerer before you can even spot her in the bar or she gets priced astronomically by the bar. Economics 101.

Blink157
10-04-10, 09:45
Well, it wasn't really a bad experience. I put up the post about the KTV more as a warning and to relate some of my experiences. The guys and girls I went with were great. I had a good time there. The bill padding was really a minimal amount: they padded the bill, we didn't tip.

The guy who took us there has been there before. So an old customer brings some of his buddies. But still the KTV feels the need to pull dirty tricks. For a total net gain of maybe 200-300 pesos. And none of us will ever go back. Just poor business sense from the KTV.
must be a pinoy who runs that place.They think if business is slow, they make it up by raising the prices. Not a clever thing to do and then this BS with minimum orders, well on the other side it makes sense. For example skytrax you see pinoys who sip the whole night one their one coke or beer, so they have a covercharge but you can buy a drink from that.
Anyway pinoys arent the enterpreneur type in Asia...but that is another topic.

Regarding cherry girls. I know that many girls just say that they cherry because they have a pinoy bf at home and dont want to get barfined. Has nothing to do with being a virgin. Some other girls are cherry girls, some are just foreigner cherry or half cherry LOL.
I used to have a GF from Atlantis. So when she doenst like the customer, she told him that she is a cherry or that she is on her mens. They will tell you many stories or just the story you like to hear.
If a papasan spent you a drink, there is no foulplay involved in this.I have to say that I never ever had any problems with this in AC. Just with one girl, many years ago where she accused me that I took her cherry..I mean I barfined her a week. she was far from being a cherry. Showed up with her mama san at my hotel and the mama san told me they will check with a doctor if I took her cherry or not and then coming back.So what did I do? Do I wait for trouble? Am I stupid? I packed my things and went to Manila and because I was working there I stayed the next weekends in Manila. I returned a couple of weeks later and the hotel staff told me that they had a lot of fun when the mamasan came in with the girl and where looking for me, the girl was screaming he took my cherry huhuhuhu...what a bullshit. I saw the girl later with some other guy in another bar. She said nothing. The good thing in AC is, that after some weeks nobody bother any more or remember any more.
So for newbies, if you smell trouble walk away and dont wait for it.

Blink

Wadman
10-04-10, 11:22
must be a pinoy who runs that place.They think if business is slow, they make it up by raising the prices. Not a clever thing to do and then this BS with minimum orders, well on the other side it makes sense. For example skytrax you see pinoys who sip the whole night one their one coke or beer, so they have a covercharge but you can buy a drink from that.
Anyway pinoys arent the enterpreneur type in Asia...but that is another topic.


We were ordering drinks at a decent rate. Not really fast because it was at the end of the night (after barhopping all day/night), but not just 1 drink per person either. So it must have been like you said: they got desperate.



If a papasan spent you a drink, there is no foulplay involved in this.I have to say that I never ever had any problems with this in AC.


Just to make this extra clear: The white manager and Pinoy manager in Tropix were both very friendly. Both bought me (and my buddy) a drink with no strings attached. It was because my buddy is good friends with the white manager. So I was very well received there, will definitely go back. Even if it's just to have a drink. Even if none of the girls strike my fancy.

As mentioned before, Tropix has all-day happy hour on Sundays. 50 p for a local drink, 100 p for a single ladies drink.

Betong
10-04-10, 13:16
The bars hire them because some mongers don't mind just a blowjob or even just a sexless sleepover. Why not encourage bars to give this option?It's also a nice easy way for young girls to edge into the business. Like being a bargirl on training wheels.

Anyhow no use in people getting bent out of shape about it. The cherry girl is a unique part of the scene in the Philippines, and as long as you ask up front, before buying drinks, there's no need for any disappointment.

X Man
10-04-10, 15:01
I chatted up an alleged AC cherry girl in the bar and then exchanged a few texts. I quickly forgot about her so when I got a text saying , "I'm in MNL and want to meet you", I had no idea who it was. Eventually I realized it was her and invited her to have dinner with me. I figured I could easily send her on her way and get down to to my usual monkey business later in the night.

Oops, she shows up with her mother and a brother -- who was quite a nice guy. So we eat and hang out in Malate a bit. Then the mother and brother decide to go. Well, they obviously were leaving their little girl with me for the night and I just couldn't say no.

Unfortunately, the gal thought I was living permanently in PI. When I told her I was leaving in two days, she seemed to rethink things. ANyway, I tried to warm things up but in the end she slept next to me and never took her jeans off.

If I wasn't such a nice guy, I probably could have stolen that cherry and...too continue Betong's analogy...she would have been ready to take off the training wheels. X


It's also a nice easy way for young girls to edge into the business. Like being a bargirl on training wheels.

Anyhow no use in people getting bent out of shape about it. The cherry girl is a unique part of the scene in the Philippines, and as long as you ask up front, before buying drinks, there's no need for any disappointment.

Sammon
10-04-10, 17:54
Cherry girl. Last year I was in the bar chatting a mamasan. I was asking about this dancer or that dancer. I recognized one whom my buddy had barfined from a different bar a year prior. What a cutie. When I pointed her out, mama said, "No not her. She's cherry girl. She don't barfine." I played dumb and asked what a cherry girl was. "You know. She a virgin." Ohhhhhhhhhhh.... I see. She's either on her period, or told her current employer that she's a virgin.As I understand it is not easy to masquerade as a "cherry". This bar business is funny. If a good looking girl comes in for a job they will allow her to say whatever she wants whether she is a real cherry or not. The whole idea is to hire prettier girls so that they get good business by word of mouth.

Having said that if you want to pay cherry money you are allowed to take her and get tested. I heard many koreans and Japanese do exactly that.
Next thing is being on the period. Well, this is most used by girls who do not like to be barfined by you. But few times I called their bluff and barfined them anyway and ended up with a bloody mess on the bed. Had to tip the maids big. these maids do have the right detergent to clean the mess though. Only problem is these solutions take a long time to dry up the bed. So you will be sleeping on a wet bed especially if the air con is on. Decided never to barfine a girl who says she is on the mens.

Fast Eddie 48
10-04-10, 20:34
There are real cherry girl in AC and there are alot of scam ,I know many hot girl said they are cherry girl are not ,they just sell lady drink and don't get barfine and have boyfriend at home .

Most japanese guy will pay high price for a cherry girl, I think it is waste of money and is not a big deal for me .

Fast eddie 48

Wadman
10-05-10, 06:46
Let me weight in with my opinion about Cherry girls/virgins. Personally, I have not done one. Have not taken one back either (for a blowjob or whatever). I have zero interest in going that route.

Having said that, some guys have pointed out how and why there is a market and place for cherry girls. As hot dancers, for BJs, for female company, etc. Which is fine, to each their own, live and let live.

But I do wish that bars would CLEARLY, and I mean CLEARLY mark which girls are cherry girls, and which are not. I know cherry girls have a red "V" on their ID. But sometimes it's a tiny V, or you sitting to far away, or your vision is obscured (by alcohol for example). Sometimes the V is smudged a bit. Sometimes the second ID card is obscuring the primary card (with the V on it). Etcetera. Yes, you can ask the girl/waitress/mamasan/manager whether the girl is Cherry. But still, I really wish they would be marked as clearly as possible.



As I understand it is not easy to masquerade as a "cherry". This bar business is funny. If a good looking girl comes in for a job they will allow her to say whatever she wants whether she is a real cherry or not. The whole idea is to hire prettier girls so that they get good business by word of mouth.
Having said that if you want to pay cherry money you are allowed to take her and get tested. I heard many koreans and Japanese do exactly that.
Next thing is being on the period. Well, this is most used by girls who do not like to be barfined by you. But few times I called their bluff and barfined them anyway and ended up with a bloody mess on the bed. Had to tip the maids big. these maids do have the right detergent to clean the mess though. Only problem is these solutions take a long time to dry up the bed. So you will be sleeping on a wet bed especially if the air con is on. Decided never to barfine a girl who says she is on the mens.

Turtlehead
10-05-10, 07:58
just wanted to share the latest news a friend obtained about ac.

can't really say if this is good or bad news about the future of fields

fz

pamintuan toyed with the idea during an emergency meeting with owners of major establishments at the entertainment district shortly after his arrival from an official trip to the united states.

pamintuan said fields avenue being a wholesome entertainment area, would boost the tourism industry of the city. he said this is part of the city government’s plan to support the business sector especially the entertainment industry here.

the entertainment district contributes 40 percent to the city coffers in terms of tax, securing of permits and other fees, it was gathered.

last week alone, three beer joints were padlocked by authorities for violation of the city ordinances.

the raiding team composed of agents from the national bureau of investigation (nbi) and 3rd criminal investigation and detection unit rescued several **** girls employed in three beerhouses mostly catering to foreign guests.

at present, the entertainment district here is home to more than 300 establishments including hotels, restaurants and beer houses, and thousands of employees are directly benefiting in this industry.

meanwhile, pamintuan suggested to organize a multi-sectoral task force which will lead in the campaign against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and similar offenses.this has got to be a total joke. this mayor thinks angeles is las vegas? a wholesome entertainment district. yeah! right! without vice, angeles is a ghost town period.

Philosophery
10-05-10, 08:40
Arrived into Manila NAIA airport today on Cathay Pacific @ 11:00am (touchdown). There was no traffic at immigration and I had no bags. Took a yellow taxi to the Pasay Victoryliner bus station (P270). Arrived at 11:45am and bought a one way fare to Dau (P130).

The bus went through Manila traffic (leaving @ 12noon). Arrived into Dau terminal @ 1:45pm. Took a trike to Pacific Breeze (P100). Checked into the hotel @ 2:01pm.

Overall, it was rather easy with a plane to hotel travel time of 3 hours and a cost of P500. I have taken car services from the airport and it has typically taken 1/2 hour less at a cost of P2500 (including tips) more.

If anyone in Angeles want to go out for a drink this week, please PM me.

Nvslim
10-05-10, 09:47
But I do wish that bars would CLEARLY, and I mean CLEARLY mark which girls are cherry girls, and which are not.



How about a red dot on the forehead, wait that's already been taken.

Slim

Betong
10-05-10, 10:18
How about a red dot on the forehead, wait that's already been taken.Then how about a big "V" decal? While we're at it, we can have all the other types marked too. "M" for menstruation, "R" for runner, "T" for three-holer . . . .

Poopbunny
10-05-10, 12:38
Then how about a big "V" decal? While we're at it, we can have all the other types marked too. "M" for menstruation, "R" for runner, "T" for three-holer . . . .

Ah ha ha ha ha...

For me I would like "TS"/"PT" (Tongue Stud/Pierced Tongue)

Starchild2012
10-05-10, 12:52
I think its mens primitive mentality that somehow cherry girls are special that makes all this scam go around. When i was in India...all i wanted was to fuck a cherry girl before i die...i was hardcore on it..

Came to PH and luckily had a date with a normal office going cherry girl and while having sex....it was a very painful experience for her...i had to be extra careful not to hurt her..penetrate it very slow as she screamed in pain...blood stain was all over the sheet..she refused to do any other position than mish...finally i could only insert half and could not fuc* her as i normally do.

It was an emotional experience for both of us...not at all an enjoyable sexual conquest that i thought it would be. :(

My heart sank seeing the pain she has to go through and relating my ego boost to f**c a cherry girl..nature is really cruel i thought and we men make it worst sometimes...

My point is ..its not worth the hype....there is no real sex as you would do ....only an experience to boost your ego that you fucked a cherry girl...i have stopped my conquest then and there itself...no more c girl for me..if she comes along the way then fine...but i will never ever go after a cherry girl...

Well not blaming anyone...as i guess every man is programmed that way to go after fresh meat :)

Bugzy 69
10-05-10, 13:03
The main issue of lot of V girls in bar business is clear. They 'employ' them in bars to push on drinks & to create more party atmosphere. I was in a specific bar last year and I asked for 8 different girls, amazingly were all V! In my opinion to take a V girl in room might turn in to a sour experience.


Let me weight in with my opinion about Cherry girls/virgins. Personally, I have not done one. Have not taken one back either (for a blowjob or whatever). I have zero interest in going that route.

Having said that, some guys have pointed out how and why there is a market and place for cherry girls. As hot dancers, for BJs, for female company, etc. Which is fine, to each their own, live and let live.

But I do wish that bars would CLEARLY, and I mean CLEARLY mark which girls are cherry girls, and which are not. I know cherry girls have a red "V" on their ID. But sometimes it's a tiny V, or you sitting to far away, or your vision is obscured (by alcohol for example). Sometimes the V is smudged a bit. Sometimes the second ID card is obscuring the primary card (with the V on it). Etcetera. Yes, you can ask the girl/waitress/mamasan/manager whether the girl is Cherry. But still, I really wish they would be marked as clearly as possible.

Ezinho
10-05-10, 14:43
Guys,

Just back from Fields Avenue, looking for a replacement for Fucklet #3 who left for Bicol this morning, two of the three bars that were shut down by the police are open again, Forbidden City and Camelot. But Dirty Duck bar is still closed.

I spent some time in Camelot tonight, there is no more barfine there. What happens now, if you want to take a girl out of the bar, you get charged for 10 lady drinks (so 1500 pesos total) and then she can leave the bar, BUT you can't leave at the same time, the customer leaves, and then the girl waits for 20 minutes or so, and then you meet her somewhere. Kind of odd, but I guess this is how it's done now.

I agree with Wadman about this cherry girl business, the bars need to CLEARLY state somehow that the girl is a virgin, not just a tiny V on their ID card. How about the cherries wear a different outfit than the non cherries, all white or something like that. Anyway, I bought a drink for a girl at Camelot tonight, turns out she is a cherry, at 21 years old (a 21 year old cherry, WTF? A late bloomer or something) But if I would had known that she was a cherry, I wouldn't have bought her a drink.

OTOH, the best looking girls in the clubs are usually cherries, so maybe that's one way to tell!

RoadGlide
10-05-10, 18:13
Then how about a big "V" decal? While we're at it, we can have all the other types marked too. "M" for menstruation, "R" for runner, "T" for three-holer . . . .

Yeh they really do need to make that V big, and a HUGE M for when they are on the rag. The only place I have been to where the working girls get away with the " I'm on the rag" shit is in the PI. WTF in Brazil the girls just shove a cotton ball up there to stop the flow. I suspect that these flips are just drink *****s.

A better idea would be colored lanyards that would let the customers know what girls can perform and what girls can't perform, but then that would require the bars to respect their customers, and the odds of that happening are slim to none.

Wadman
10-05-10, 20:42
A better idea would be colored lanyards that would let the customers know what girls can perform and what girls can't perform, but then that would require the bars to respect their customers, and the odds of that happening are slim to none.

Talk about (dis)respecting your customers. 3 of us are in Genesis bar. After a number of drinks, lady drinks and a bucket of pingpong balls (sorry, I had to do it the one time) it's time to pay the bill. I add up the chits, it's 1250 pesos. Waitress couldn't do the math in her head (or pretended to be unable to) and takes chits away. She comes back and says it's 1250 p. I give her 1500 p. She comes back with 150 p in change on the tray. I am like WHAT THE FTUCK!!!

I call the waitress over.
I ask: "what is the total?"
She mumbles something, I can't remember what.
I ask again: "what is the total?"
She mumbles some more stuff.
I ask again (in a raised voice): "what is the total?"
She says she will go check, and disappears before I can say anything else.

She comes back with the proper amount of 250 p of change. I whisper gently in her ear that there was no need for this, I was going to tip her a proper amount anyway. I also told her, if they feel the need to rip me off, I will tip absolute nothing, and never come back to the place. I end up leaving her 150 p in tip, which is more than the 100 p they were going to rip me off for. Waitress tells me, it's not her fault, the cashier handles the change. I tell her bullshit, I deal with her, not the cashier. I tell her to tell the cashier I am not happy (which is all BS of course).

Rubberyman
10-05-10, 22:54
This has got to be a total joke. This mayor thinks Angeles is Las Vegas? A wholesome entertainment district. Yeah! Right! Without vice, Angeles is a ghost town period.


Um, Turtlehead, the Mayor can hardly come right out and say that, can he?

He is elected by locals who are generally very conservative.

What he has to say is something that will soothe his electors, while still allowing Fields and Perimeter to continue to operate. The less his electors think there is a problem, the less pressure there will be on the Mayor to close the place down, period.

The message to his electors in that statement is: Look, it is really only an entertainment area, the police are doing a great job looking at real vice, the area accounts for a lot of city revenue. (HINT folks, just let me, your Mayor, and the police look after the 'entertainment area', and you guys won't have to have your city services slashed and your city taxes raised.)

Fast Eddie 48
10-05-10, 23:31
Talk about (dis)respecting your customers. 3 of us are in Genesis bar. After a number of drinks, lady drinks and a bucket of pingpong balls (sorry, I had to do it the one time) it's time to pay the bill. I add up the chits, it's 1250 pesos. Waitress couldn't do the math in her head (or pretended to be unable to) and takes chits away. She comes back and says it's 1250 p. I give her 1500 p. She comes back with 150 p in change on the tray. I am like WHAT THE FTUCK!!!

I call the waitress over.
I ask: "what is the total?"
She mumbles something, I can't remember what.
I ask again: "what is the total?"
She mumbles some more stuff.
I ask again (in a raised voice): "what is the total?"
She says she will go check, and disappears before I can say anything else.

She comes back with the proper amount of 250 p of change. I whisper gently in her ear that there was no need for this, I was going to tip her a proper amount anyway. I also told her, if they feel the need to rip me off, I will tip absolute nothing, and never come back to the place. I end up leaving her 150 p in tip, which is more than the 100 p they were going to rip me off for. Waitress tells me, it's not her fault, the cashier handles the change. I tell her bullshit, I deal with her, not the cashier. I tell her to tell the cashier I am not happy (which is all BS of course).Wadman,

This happen to me in China alot I normally just let it go for small amount, yes waitress and mamasan want tip but service at manila and ac is better than in China in most case.

Fast Eddie 48

Sharka
10-05-10, 23:46
Arrived into Manila NAIA airport today on Cathay Pacific @ 11:00am (touchdown). There was no traffic at immigration and I had no bags. Took a yellow taxi to the Pasay Victoryliner bus station (P270). .

Just checking to make sure you got the taxi price right. You paid 270p for the short ride of several kilometers from airport to Pasay Victoryliner?
Price Seems way too high.

Shark

Sharka
10-05-10, 23:50
But I do wish that bars would CLEARLY, and I mean CLEARLY mark which girls are cherry girls, and which are not. I know cherry girls have a red "V" on their ID. But sometimes it's a tiny V, or you sitting to far away, or your vision is obscured (by alcohol for example). Sometimes the V is smudged a bit. .

Hey Wadman,
Some bars do and some don't. Always best to ask the waitress or mamasan or even the girl herself BEFORE you spend any money or drinks on her. This will cover the V-scam.

Shark

Sharka
10-05-10, 23:53
This has got to be a total joke. This mayor thinks Angeles is Las Vegas? A wholesome entertainment district. Yeah! Right! Without vice, Angeles is a ghost town period.


Sorry, not a joke at all. Although the article from Freezone is not complete, I did read the entire thing and it was serious business with other things being mention like spread of disease and condom use , sex education and all that.
So, yes the BS continues in AC.

Shark

Freezone
10-06-10, 00:06
Sorry, Didn't realize the article I posted was incomplete as this was what my friend had forwarded to me.

FZ

Freezone
10-06-10, 00:08
Quick question.

Just where is Real street . Heard it was somewhere in or near Fields? but don't know the exact location.

Thanks,

FZ

ThatGuy865
10-06-10, 01:54
Sorry, not a joke at all. Although the article from Freezone is not complete, I did read the entire thing and it was serious business with other things being mention like spread of disease and condom use , sex education and all that.
So, yes the BS continues in AC.

SharkThe meeting was mainly with and for the bar owners on fields. The mayor is trying to come up with guidelines to prevent the rainds from continuing. Most of the participants are not constituents and can't vote. But do put a lot of money into his pocket by one means or another (payoffs mainly). But the mayor is not influencial enough to block raids by NBI out of manila. And the USA is putting pressure on the Philippines to clean up what it considers a haven for "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)". Withholding millions in aid based upon its cleanup. So they are trying to come up with ways to put a mainstream face on the district.

Philosophery
10-06-10, 03:31
Just checking to make sure you got the taxi price right. You paid 270p for the short ride of several kilometers from airport to Pasay Victoryliner?
Price Seems way too high.

Shark
That is what I paid. The fixed price stand quoted me P330. I was also in terminal 2 which adds a few km to the trip.

The yellow taxis are probably twice the price as the white taxis (on the meter) bot I couldn't find one. The P270 is about $6, so I am not really sweating the $2.50 difference!!

Turtlehead
10-06-10, 03:37
The right way to manage the area is to legalize and contain the area to one place. Use the added revenues to provide better service and facility for the locals and their areas.

To say that it's an entertainment district is a government and a peoples in denial. No one will believe this lie. No one. No one. No one.

Corruption is bad. Corruption within an illegal industry is very bad. When it involves multiple agencies, the shit hits the fan!

I am just a visitor, I don't live in Angeles.

You neighbors and owners have got to stand up together. They are more afraid than you if you group together, because corruptors never want the spotlight anywhere near them. And they will not shut the place down. Too

Much money is being made by too many people.

That's my opinion as an outsider. Get your torches and March the street.

Turtlehead
10-06-10, 03:47
Not literially. I mean build a stronger merchants association. Fight for building a better Angeles, fight for better protection for the "girls, " fight corruption.

Fight for the dignity and protection of sex workers! The area's greatest asset. I'm reading reports of false arrest and prison without food. That's bullshit!

Starchild2012
10-06-10, 05:53
Talk about (dis)respecting your customers. 3 of us are in Genesis bar. After a number of drinks, lady drinks and a bucket of pingpong balls (sorry, I had to do it the one time) it's time to pay the bill. I add up the chits, it's 1250 pesos. Waitress couldn't do the math in her head (or pretended to be unable to) and takes chits away. She comes back and says it's 1250 p. I give her 1500 p. She comes back with 150 p in change on the tray. I am like WHAT THE FTUCK!!!

I call the waitress over.
I ask: "what is the total?"
She mumbles something, I can't remember what.
I ask again: "what is the total?"
She mumbles some more stuff.
I ask again (in a raised voice): "what is the total?"
She says she will go check, and disappears before I can say anything else.

She comes back with the proper amount of 250 p of change. I whisper gently in her ear that there was no need for this, I was going to tip her a proper amount anyway. I also told her, if they feel the need to rip me off, I will tip absolute nothing, and never come back to the place. I end up leaving her 150 p in tip, which is more than the 100 p they were going to rip me off for. Waitress tells me, it's not her fault, the cashier handles the change. I tell her bullshit, I deal with her, not the cashier. I tell her to tell the cashier I am not happy (which is all BS of course).

Yeah and everytime...even if its a mistake it always ends in their favor..we are always shortchanged....I don't understand what frame of mind they operate on....who the hell they think we are 10 year old kids :)...man it spoils the whole night...the worst thing is ...they have no shame you caught them red handed...and we go on and on about Asians losing face ( im asian by the way) they will pull the trick on the next guy who comes after you....atleast they could have said sorry...earlier i used to get angry and disgusted...now all i have is pity...i feel sad for the state of mind they are on....no soul left

Key Master
10-06-10, 09:19
She comes back with the proper amount of 250 p of change. I whisper gently in her ear that there was no need for this, I was going to tip her a proper amount anyway. I also told her, if they feel the need to rip me off, I will tip absolute nothing, and never come back to the place. I end up leaving her 150 p in tip, which is more than the 100 p they were going to rip me off for. Waitress tells me, it's not her fault, the cashier handles the change. I tell her bullshit, I deal with her, not the cashier. I tell her to tell the cashier I am not happy (which is all BS of course).

I'm glad you got the right change, but not sure if tipping like that was a good thing. Not trying to start a flame war, but that's a pretty damn nice tip for a waitress.

Rubberyman
10-06-10, 10:06
The right way to manage the area is to legalize and contain the area to one place. Use the added revenues to provide better service and facility for the locals and their areas.

That may be correct, but politically, not achievable. Eg it might be the right thing in the US and Australia, but politically..."hah!"


To say that it's an entertainment district is a government and a peoples in denial. No one will believe this lie. No one. No one. No one.

LOL. Look no further than the recent health debate in the US. One side or the other had to be in complete and utter denial. So, arguably in the USA, half the country had to be in denial about a fundamental issue in their lives. That is with a very sophisticated array of knowledge options available to the US populace. What chance then of a relatively minor issue to most people (such as prostitution) getting a logical hearing. Denial yes, but we are all guilty of it. Also, I did not mean to pick on the USA - every country has issues which divide, and half the population are in denial on those issues.

Also, can you imagine that the US Government would provide that 'strings attached' aid if the Philippine Government legalised the area?

MauiDude
10-06-10, 13:22
Quick question.

Just where is Real street. Heard it was somewhere in or near Fields? but don't know the exact location.

Thanks,

FZNext street over from Fields. By the Orchid Hotel and also runs into Santos St.

Which is where the bars are on santos across from international restaurant and the Wild Orchid. Body Shop and Baby Dolls is on Real Street.

MauiDude
10-06-10, 13:26
Sorry, not a joke at all. Although the article from Freezone is not complete, I did read the entire thing and it was serious business with other things being mention like spread of disease and condom use , sex education and all that.
So, yes the BS continues in AC.

SharkI did not read all the information on this. I live in Angeles but in Thailand right now.

I do talk to a doctor that is good friends with the mayor of Angeles.

Most my girls get hygiene by my own doctor.

He says there is a problem with hygiene and its a major problem.

Something like 40% of the girls have some kind of std.

And I believe him as the girls I bring in before banging there are a good number with problems so I do not even with condom.

Also there is something about USA involvement but I did not get details

He says it is country wide and not just angeles with the health problem now

MauiDude
10-06-10, 13:29
Heard from friend just now of a shooting in front of Swagman Hotel and at the Marquee Mall?

Not sure of details. I started to search here but am in Thailand and don't have time to search until tomorrow. If anyone can shed more information? Of the details or tell me any date that it is reported on this board?

I do try to keep current here but get busy and I got my girls to take care of tonight

Hahahaha

Sounds like an excuse?

Be carefull out there

MauiDude
10-06-10, 13:35
I think its mens primitive mentality that somehow cherry girls are special that makes all this scam go around. When I was in India. All I wanted was to fuck a cherry girl before I die. I was hardcore on it.

Came to PH and luckily had a date with a normal office going cherry girl and while having sex. It was a very painful experience for her. I had to be extra careful not to hurt her. Penetrate it very slow as she screamed in pain. Blood stain was all over the sheet. She refused to do any other position than mish. Finally I could only insert half and could not fuc* her as I normally do.

It was an emotional experience for both of us. Not at all an enjoyable sexual conquest that I thought it would be.

My heart sank seeing the pain she has to go through and relating my ego boost to f**c a cherry girl. Nature is really cruel I thought and we men make it worst sometimes.

My point is. Its not worth the hype. There is no real sex as you would do. Only an experience to boost your ego that you fucked a cherry girl. I have stopped my conquest then and there itself. No more see girl for me. If she comes along the way then fine. But I will never ever go after a cherry girl.

Well not blaming anyone. As I guess every man is programmed that way to go after fresh meatI like what you say because yes I love the idea of cherry girls. No one else has fucked them and they are all mine. Hahah.

But yes I don't like starfish and I want the girl to enjoy so I go for the more expierenced girls.

But I have had just cherry girls for pure fun in the bar.

And some do really good at pretending.

FurryFriend
10-06-10, 15:56
LOL. Look no further than the recent health debate in the US. One side or the other had to be in complete and utter denial. So, arguably in the USA, half the country had to be in denial about a fundamental issue in their lives.It's not "denial". A diverse populace will naturally have differing interests and views. There are many issues where reasonable minds will disagree.

For the Phils, there are reasonable minds who don't want prostitution to occur. Moral opposition to prostitution is hardly unique to the Philippines.

Wadman
10-06-10, 16:00
Yeah and everytime. Even if its a mistake it always ends in their favor. We are always shortchanged. I don't understand what frame of mind they operate on. Who the hell they think we are 10 year old kids. Man it spoils the whole night. The worst thing is. They have no shame you caught them red handed. And we go on and on about Asians losing face (I'm asian by the way) they will pull the trick on the next guy who comes after you. Atleast they could have said sorry. Earlier I used to get angry and disgusted. Now all I have is pity. I feel sad for the state of mind they are on. No soul leftWell, it didn't spoil the whole night for me. It was 100 p. I forgot about it as soon as we hit the next bar. But, yeah, just don't know what the thought process is there.

Fast Eddie 48
10-06-10, 21:15
That is what I paid. The fixed price stand quoted me P330. I was also in terminal 2 which adds a few km to the trip.

The yellow taxis are probably twice the price as the white taxis (on the meter) bot I couldn't find one. The P270 is about $6, so I am not really sweating the $2. 50 difference!Philosophery,

If you take the elevator up to arrival you can catch a taxi just drop off someone and get on meter taxi to EDSA victory bus station should only be 80 peso.

There are also the Phil rabbit bus to AC from Avendia area Sta cruz near the Chinatown 120 peso run every 30 min take about 90 min it first go to DAU and then to AC bus station and you can ask the driver to drop you off at Field and Mc authur HWY and walk 5 min to Pacific breeze.

Fast Eddie 48

Rubberyman
10-06-10, 22:55
It's not "denial". A diverse populace will naturally have differing interests and views. There are many issues where reasonable minds will disagree.

For the Phils, there are reasonable minds who don't want prostitution to occur. Moral opposition to prostitution is hardly unique to the Philippines.FF, I think we are arguing about semantics here.

I was responding to the meaning of 'denial' as used by Turtlehead.

To expand a little. I used the US example of the health debate as it was a clear case where one side had one set of 'interests and views' as you put it, and the other side had a diametrically opposite set of 'interests and views'. That meant that one side or the other had to be wrong and in 'denial'.

Turtlehead's point was that by trying to paint AC as a Las Vegas, the AC mayor was in denial.

My point was that the Mayor was responding to the political reality of 'differing interests and views' as you put it.

So we agree....I think. :)

I am hoping that the Mayor can pull it off and convince the world at large that it is an entertainment area. ;)

Wadman
10-07-10, 04:09
I'm glad you got the right change, but not sure if tipping like that was a good thing. Not trying to start a flame war, but that's a pretty damn nice tip for a waitress.Yeah... before my AC trip I did RTFF, and it seems that tips for waitresses should be in the 5-10% range. I tried to adhere to that, but usually rounded up, so most tips ended up in the 10-15% range. I will try to do better next time. I have a lot of respect for the local expats, and semi-regulars in AC, so I certainly don't want to screw up the market.

One guy also pointed out that tips for bar waitresses should be a bit lower, since all they do is bring your drink over. Waitresses in restaurants deserve a bit more, since there is more work involved.

Anyone like to chime in with comments about how much to tip in what situations?

Key Master
10-07-10, 06:48
Yeah... before my AC trip I did RTFF, and it seems that tips for waitresses should be in the 5-10% range. I tried to adhere to that, but usually rounded up, so most tips ended up in the 10-15% range. I will try to do better next time. I have a lot of respect for the local expats, and semi-regulars in AC, so I certainly don't want to screw up the market.

One guy also pointed out that tips for bar waitresses should be a bit lower, since all they do is bring your drink over. Waitresses in restaurants deserve a bit more, since there is more work involved.

Anyone like to chime in with comments about how much to tip in what situations?First off everyone is going to have their opinion. This is kind of how I look at it. The waitresses alone make what about 120 pesos a shift? You tipped that one woman her daily salary. Second, say you buy one dancer or waitress a drink and are keeping her warm with your hands and all and buy one or two drinks for her. If you buy one then she makes 50 pesos from it, if you buy two for her she made 100 pesos. For that waitress who you didn't touch like you did your lady drink woman, she made more than them. Sometimes if I cop a good feel on them and don't barfine I actually tip the woman a little something. But when compared to what the waitress does, it's just not the same. That's part of my logic.

Plus this waitress copped an attitude that it's not her fault to make sure change is correct and you reward her by tipping her that? There is no set percentage to tip, shoot you don't have to tip at all. A lot of women will barfine with you, take care of you for the night and not expect anything afterwards. She makes 600-700 pesos for the barfine and now the waitress got 25% of what she makes for bringing you drinks.

Personally for me, 10-25 pesos is good depending. If she's really good maybe a little more. If she's a ***** maybe nothing at all. Some will give you attitude about tipping because they've been spoiled. A tip is usually a sign you are happy with their service, it's not mandatory.

MauiDude
10-07-10, 07:17
Yes I say tip what you like I am all for giving money away to the needy especially girls hahahaha I support about 4 to 10 girls depending o the situations that arise I do cut the girls off if they ask for too much money but I am limited on a budget and had to decide to manage my funds as I am retired for tipping I give about 5% sometimes, rarely a little more or a lot if I really really really like the girl but I also think if you give too much money they are not wise about it and I have seen girls and merchants get mad when someone else gives less if they are given too much.

So what ever we do it disrupts and or helps them most girls spend what they have. And don't save but if I had more money or less girls I would be more generous knowing that you can also do harm by over loading them with too much money. But then again why not ? If it makes you happy.

MauiDude
10-07-10, 07:21
Well, it didn't spoil the whole night for me. It was 100 p. I forgot about it as soon as we hit the next bar. But, yeah, just don't know what the thought process is there.To me I say fight everytime you can against theft and corruption now being a visitor in this country I will not make much of an issue over anything but if they try to cheat me I fight it the best I can and I would rather give my money to someone that is honest and trying to be real. Lot of thieves in Philippines and the menality is that we are rich and we can afford it so why not but still I want to chose who I give my money to and not let them cheat me out of it so I do not get upset but I pay attention and do not let it happen if I can avoid it.

ThatGuy865
10-07-10, 14:05
Yeah... before my AC trip I did RTFF, and it seems that tips for waitresses should be in the 5-10% range. I tried to adhere to that, but usually rounded up, so most tips ended up in the 10-15% range. I will try to do better next time. I have a lot of respect for the local expats, and semi-regulars in AC, so I certainly don't want to screw up the market.

One guy also pointed out that tips for bar waitresses should be a bit lower, since all they do is bring your drink over. Waitresses in restaurants deserve a bit more, since there is more work involved.

Anyone like to chime in with comments about how much to tip in what situations?20 to 50 pesos. Is usual. And 50 when you want to make an impression. Any thing more is excessive. As earlier mentioned 100 to 200 is a day's wage. So just think back home would give any waitress her daily wage as a tip. So why would you in the PI. Especially with the fact that tipping in ASIA period is NOT the cultural norm.

WestCoast1
10-07-10, 14:27
Yeah. Before my AC trip I did RTFF, and it seems that tips for waitresses should be in the 5-10% range. I tried to adhere to that, but usually rounded up, so most tips ended up in the 10-15% range. I will try to do better next time. I have a lot of respect for the local expats, and semi-regulars in AC, so I certainly don't want to screw up the market.

One guy also pointed out that tips for bar waitresses should be a bit lower, since all they do is bring your drink over. Waitresses in restaurants deserve a bit more, since there is more work involved.

Anyone like to chime in with comments about how much to tip in what situations?I rarely have more than one drink an any one bar. Even when I do, I don't tip for drinks. Its not a meal where she's busy waiting on multiple tables hand/foot. Most waitresses in the bars outnumber the customers (somtimes 5 or 10: 1). They have little to do after bringing me a drink (30' to the bar, 30' back to me) and either stay and chat, or go chat their friends. Tip?

Sammon
10-07-10, 16:53
Yeah... before my AC trip I did RTFF, and it seems that tips for waitresses should be in the 5-10% range. I tried to adhere to that, but usually rounded up, so most tips ended up in the 10-15% range. I will try to do better next time. I have a lot of respect for the local expats, and semi-regulars in AC, so I certainly don't want to screw up the market.

One guy also pointed out that tips for bar waitresses should be a bit lower, since all they do is bring your drink over. Waitresses in restaurants deserve a bit more, since there is more work involved.

Anyone like to chime in with comments about how much to tip in what situations?
Here is my Recommendation.
1. If your beer costs 90 pesos give 100 pesos and let her keep 10 pesos.
In phi 10% is normal tipping for foreigners.
2. If your check is 1000 pesos it does not mean you give 100 pesos tip. 50 pesos should be ok.
3. Waitresses are quite happy to get 20 peso tip.
4. As has been said here before the tip for barfined girls should be 300-500 range depending on the service. When the service is poor I have kicked them out without tip.

Amjeck
10-07-10, 19:48
4. As has been said here before the tip for barfined girls should be 300-500 range depending on the service.
There is no "should be" rate for tipping. Tipping is solely up to the punter. However, I'd agree that the tip should not exceed 500p if one even decides to tip at all.

Tally Wacker
10-07-10, 22:28
Does anyone know the best way to send flowers and candy to a filipina in AC?

MauiDude
10-08-10, 05:22
There is no "should be" rate for tipping. Tipping is solely up to the punter. However, I'd agree that the tip should not exceed 500p if one even decides to tip at all.I barely tip a girl on a bar fine. Instead if I like her I go see her again and buy her drinks or small tip on another day. I believe they just spend what ever they have in their pocket also I spend lots of money on them if I see them more often as I will take them to the doctor and the dentist and travel.

But mostlly I am living there in angeles.

I do not want to spoil the girls with too much tipping. Just my way of doing things.

I keep an unwritten book on the girls I C. If I don't like them I don't see them again and why would I tip them if they did something I did not like if I like them and see them again is save what I would give in tips as a fund for other things. Again like doctor food dentist and travel.

If the girl says she needs trike money then I may give 100 pesos for that. But if she is asking for tip or money then I don't like her all ready for asking.

Philosophery
10-08-10, 06:30
There is no "should be" rate for tipping. Tipping is solely up to the punter. However, I'd agree that the tip should not exceed 500p if one even decides to tip at all.


Tipping in the Philippines is not common among Filipinos. I tip here the Hong Kong way...leave any small change behind.

As for the girls, its up to you. I tend to be too generous but I feel a little bad for these girls. Many of them come from a poor background and they have been treated badly their whole lives. Having an occasional over-tipper seems to make their day.

Ekspat
10-08-10, 07:46
Yes, that's exactly I do it as well.

Tipping in the Philippines is not common among Filipinos. I tip here the Hong Kong way...leave any small change behind.

As for the girls, its up to you. I tend to be too generous but I feel a little bad for these girls. Many of them come from a poor background and they have been treated badly their whole lives. Having an occasional over-tipper seems to make their day.

X Man
10-08-10, 08:24
I think I'm almost bored to death with this endless thread on tipping. But what the hell.

I usually tip the coins simply because I don't want a bunch of change in my pocket. I don't like it when they bring me a whole bunch of unnecessary change (fishing for a tip). In that case I tend to take it all. Ends up going to the maid the next morning.

And shouldn't we be tipping the gal we sit with. Sure, we bought her a drink or two, but if she's been especially affectionate (use your imagination) I'll slip her a bill or two. Small bills, BTW.


I rarely have more than one drink an any one bar. Even when I do, I don't tip for drinks. Its not a meal where she's busy waiting on multiple tables hand/foot. Most waitresses in the bars outnumber the customers (somtimes 5 or 10: 1). They have little to do after bringing me a drink (30' to the bar, 30' back to me) and either stay and chat, or go chat their friends. Tip?

Tahoe
10-08-10, 09:37
Yes, that's exactly I do it as well.Based on what I read here, I guess I tip more than others - 1000P for good service. But I tipped just 100P trike money for less than par service, too. What do you fellows tip if you keep a girl more than one day? Obviously she provided good service to deserve two days bf. She is already awarded for two consecutive bf's so one would think that double the normal good tip of 1000P is excessive. I gave one 1000P and had some 100's so gave her 200P more. I know everyone is different when it comes to bf tip but wondering what others opinion is on multiple day tipping.

Tahoe

Econo Tech
10-08-10, 16:58
Does anyone know the best way to send flowers and candy to a filipina in AC?try www.pldtonline.com - there are others, but I found this best and safest - though bit pricey - payment by Paypal

So far- I never had a missed delivery, flower, or anything, and they deliver shopping vouchers (best is SM - like a pre-paid shopping card, and you can use in portions .. )

Cheers

ThatGuy865
10-08-10, 20:56
Based on what I read here, I guess I tip more than others - 1000P for good service. But I tipped just 100P trike money for less than par service, too. What do you fellows tip if you keep a girl more than one day? Obviously she provided good service to deserve two days bf. She is already awarded for two consecutive bf's so one would think that double the normal good tip of 1000P is excessive. I gave one 1000P and had some 100's so gave her 200P more. I know everyone is different when it comes to bf tip but wondering what others opinion is on multiple day tipping.

TahoePesonally. I don't care how long she stays. If I pay a BF she's getting paid plus if she is there I am feeding her. She is sleeping and staying in the lap of luxury for her. And enjoying MY company. Or else she would leave so she is obviously having a good time too.

So I have NEVER tipped over 500. And trike fare is never more than 100 I don't care where she is going. They don't pay the same fare as we do. So 100 will take them anywhere.

Rubberyman
10-09-10, 00:06
Based on what I read here, I guess I tip more than others - 1000P for good service. But I tipped just 100P trike money for less than par service, too. What do you fellows tip if you keep a girl more than one day? Obviously she provided good service to deserve two days bf. She is already awarded for two consecutive bf's so one would think that double the normal good tip of 1000P is excessive. I gave one 1000P and had some 100's so gave her 200P more. I know everyone is different when it comes to bf tip but wondering what others opinion is on multiple day tipping.

Tahoe


FOC!

Some of the more experienced ladies might expect that from Korean or Japanese punters.

Still, it's your money.

I would suggest that if you were wanting to spend that sort of money and were multiple day tipping, you might consider rather going shopping with her and buying her some stuff she might need (or want).

While they are there for the money obviously, if you buy them stuff that a boyfriend or husband would buy them, then it is easier for them to play the girlfriend role. Money will most likely end up in their boyfriends' hands, whereas if you go buy a dress for 400P, she gets to keep it. if you multiple day tip, you might buy her several dresses. One short and tarty, or one she can take back home to family in the probince, and one a respectable party dress. It is a lot of fun 'undressing' too, if that helps you ;) . You could also take her for a dental checkup, (again about 400P).

Or, what about asking if she wants a new hairstyle? Maybe she might like to get a blonde rinse, or her hair braided? Or throw in a manicure. Leave her in the hairdressers with two or three other Pinays to talk to, fuss over her, pamper her, make her feel important, and then I bet that after she gets you in bed that night, you won't be able to crawl out of bed next morning for exhaustion.

Another benefit for you, if you get a lady you like, is that after a new outfit, and a new hairstyle, it's like you have a different lady to sleep with. That can't be bad now, can it?

Process might be (and this is a suggestion): BF her for two days, and just pay the trike. Then on day three go with her to her bar to pay the BF, but before you get there tell her that you would like to (buy an outfit or get her a new hairstyle or whatever). She can then brag to her co-workers about it (feelgood points to you straight away). Then go take her shopping. Then back to your hotel to 'try the outfit on' ;) .

Suggest this reason because next time you go to AC, it is very likely she won't be there any more. But if you go into that bar again, you most probably will be remembered favourably - as she certainly will resume the bragging session long after you are gone. The ladies there that saw you before with her will be lining up for your attention I suspect.

All of these things reinforce the girlfriend experience, and I suggest you will get far more 'bang for the buck' whatever it is you choose to spend.

Note, I don't spend a lot of $$ in tips at all, but what I do spend above trike fare is mostly in stuff for her like I describe here, but at a much less frequent level than P1000.

$0.02

Ekspat
10-09-10, 01:24
Money will most likely end up in their boyfriends' hands, whereas if you go buy a dress for 400P, she gets to keep it. if you multiple day tip, you might buy her several dresses. One short and tarty, or one she can take back home to family in the probince, and one a respectable party dress. It is a lot of fun 'undressing' too, if that helps you ;) . You could also take her for a dental checkup, (again about 400P).

Sure, moneywise it might end up the same, but I'm not too much interested in spending my time with a bargirl in a shopping mall and buying dresses.
Neither waiting for her at the dentist or hairdresser. Better some good tip, she leaves happily and I can do whatever I want to.

My 2 Sen.

Cheers!

Acqua
10-09-10, 02:53
Does anyone know the best way to send flowers and candy to a filipina in AC?


Tally Wacker, I have used this place twice and the girls were happy

rickcafe.com

Rubberyman
10-09-10, 04:29
Sure, moneywise it might end up the same, but I'm not too much interested in spending my time with a bargirl in a shopping mall and buying dresses.
Neither waiting for her at the dentist or hairdresser. Better some good tip, she leaves happily and I can do whatever I want to.

My 2 Sen.

Cheers!

Good lord, no way I want to spend time in the mall either.

I was thinking of those little dress shops in that street opposite Agasaya and Tropix...on the way to and from the bars.

The dentist and doctor are time well worth spending if (as the original Tahoe post was about) you are going to be with her for a few days. If you just give her the $$ you don't know whether or not she really had that check for STDs, and we don't want to catch anything now, ahem, do we? Similarly, I don't like kissing people with furry teeth, so a good clean and descale is helpful there. If you don't go with her, she will probably just do an extra hard floss and brush and pocket the $$.

2 Groschen.

Tally Wacker
10-09-10, 08:33
Thanks I will give it a try! TW


Tally Wacker, I have used this place twice and the girls were happy

rickcafe.com

Bigdan
10-09-10, 15:10
While they are there for the money obviously, if you buy them stuff that a boyfriend or husband would buy them, then it is easier for them to play the girlfriend role. Money will most likely end up in their boyfriends' hands,

How can we know if the girl has a boyfriend or not ? I am sure some girls have boyfriends but every bar girl I somehow doubt that;)

Hesekiels
10-09-10, 15:43
How can we know if the girl has a boyfriend or not ? I am sure some girls have boyfriends ... ;)


Does this really matter? As long as their service is ok I simply do not care! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Blink157
10-09-10, 17:26
hello,
havent been online on the board a view days so here my zwei Euros.

Tipping wetresses, long story. What is the right tip and what isnt. Usually I leave small amounts, but I never tip 100 or 200 pesos to a waitress. If the beer is 55 pesos happy hour I give 60 (5 PHP tip). If I sit and have some more beers at one place I might leave more, say 20 or so. If my GF say to me, give her a tip then I give. Well, my GF is now my ex GF :D, because that is what she does when we went barhop, I have to buy certain girls in certain bars drinks, cause she like her. She wasnt a lesbian, but she liked them. She, working spotlightdancer in Atlantis, Dollhouse, etc, of course likes gift too. She also liked to introduce me to her friends (big mistake, now I am more interested in her friends :D) and of course she likes it when I treat her as my real GF(gifts, parfume, clothes, etc.)Instead of giving money, buy her some clothes, bikini, parfume, stuff toys (they crazy about stuff toys) and she will reward you for that.
Last thing to the wettress thing. Think about every monger would drop by at a bar, order a drink and would leave 15 or 20 pesos to the wettress ad the proceed (after one drink) to the next bar and again and again. I need 10 minutes for a beer, othermight need less or a bit more. The wettress gets between 80 to 100 PHP tips in an hour. Do the maths for one day!So because of this ,sometimes dancers decide to go for wetress, giving us the cherry girl BS, earning drinks on tips ( I know one from typhoon bar, doorgirl, the waitress, maybe now dacer LOL).
In short, if you live there you value the money and the last thing I do is to spoil the market.
Blink

Sammon
10-09-10, 17:41
hello,
havent been online on the board a view days so here my zwei Euros.

Tipping wetresses, long story. What is the right tip and what isnt. Usually I leave small amounts, but I never tip 100 or 200 pesos to a waitress. If the beer is 55 pesos happy hour I give 60 (5 PHP tip). If I sit and have some more beers at one place I might leave more, say 20 or so. If my GF say to me, give her a tip then I give. Well, my GF is now my ex GF :D, because that is what she does when we went barhop, I have to buy certain girls in certain bars drinks, cause she like her. She wasnt a lesbian, but she liked them. She, working spotlightdancer in Atlantis, Dollhouse, etc, of course likes gift too. She also liked to introduce me to her friends (big mistake, now I am more interested in her friends :D) and of course she likes it when I treat her as my real GF(gifts, parfume, clothes, etc.)Instead of giving money, buy her some clothes, bikini, parfume, stuff toys (they crazy about stuff toys) and she will reward you for that.
Last thing to the wettress thing. Think about every monger would drop by at a bar, order a drink and would leave 15 or 20 pesos to the wettress ad the proceed (after one drink) to the next bar and again and again. I need 10 minutes for a beer, othermight need less or a bit more. The wettress gets between 80 to 100 PHP tips in an hour. Do the maths for one day!So because of this ,sometimes dancers decide to go for wetress, giving us the cherry girl BS, earning drinks on tips ( I know one from typhoon bar, doorgirl, the waitress, maybe now dacer LOL).
In short, if you live there you value the money and the last thing I do is to spoil the market.
Blink
We live in a tipping culture. There is no hard and fast rule to tip anybody in spite of the mean looks and name calling. My Chinese gf takes the last penny when change is given saying there is no tipping.
I have seen different people tip different in AC. Tipping waitresses is not so much damaging as tipping barfined girls exorbitant amount. I have seen the look on the girls face when I tipped her for so so experience. It does not bother me the looks and what they say. I am not there to get an award.
But I do feel the need to tip mainly because these girls are doing us a service.

Bigdan
10-09-10, 17:42
Does this really matter? As long as their service is ok I simply do not care! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels

That was my point too! It is good though that we have people who have different views on the topic at the end of the day it is up to each monger;)

Sir Lancelot
10-09-10, 17:52
Here is the continuation of my diary, written in March and April this year. The previous part was in the Manila section.

DAY 16: Angeles

Thankfully I felt better when I woke up and was excited to be moving on.

Swagman Hotel run three buses per day from Manila to Angeles, at 11.30am, 3.30pm and 8.30pm. By the time I had packed and checked out of my hotel, I had missed the 11.30 bus and didn't fancy waiting until mid-afternoon. Another option is to get one of the regular Philippine Rabbit buses. Their terminal is in Sta Cruz (about p80 on the meter from Amazonia) and the bus ticket cost just 120 pesos, a fifth of the price of Swagman's. The air-con bus was much nicer too and it only took 90 minutes.

On my previous visit I stayed at Hotel Natalia, but this time there were no rooms available. A few doors along is APPARTELLE ROYAL, which doesn't look too promising from the outside as it's just a door sandwiched between two gogo bars and stairs leading upwards. But the rooms are clean and spacious and for p1450 you get air-con, a safe and a well-stocked fridge. Best of all though, you get a large mirror alongside the bed which is always good fun ;).

I was glad to be back in Angeles. My previous stay had been curtailed by my unfortunate injury but I found the place exciting and packed with attractive girls.

So keen was I to get back to the gogos, I decided to start at 6pm and visit some of the smaller bars during 'happy hour'. First I went to HONEYPOT. There were 13 older dancers in semi see-through tops, most of whom had more flesh on the bone and more curves. Nothing wrong with that of course. One of them, much older than the type of girls I usually go for (late 30's I'd guess), had massive natural boobs. As I was watching her (or more accurately, her tits), I realised that in the time I had been in the Philippines, I had developed a tit fetish! Haha. It's probably due to seeing so many busty Asian girls - something you don't see much in Thailand.

Nearby a group of young girls wearing pink tempted me in to PUSSYCAT DOLLS, down a side road. The girls in pink were misleading though because the dancers inside were a lot older and not my type at all. I think the Thai system is better when the girls outside are amongst those who aren't dancing inside, as it gives the buyer a better indication of the talent he can expect to see if he enters. Nevertheless, these bars are always worth visiting, especially in happy hour when beer is cheap.

COYOTE UGLY had seven average-looking girls on a small stage, although I did see a gorgeous girl chatting to a Japanese customer on a table nearby. Have the Japanese invented some kind of high-tech gadget that lets them find the best girls first? It's amazing how often it happens. I chatted with a pretty GRO by the name of Ashley, who at 28 was a little older than the other girls but she had beautiful eyes and a really sexy way about her. We clicked and she gave me a kiss on the lips when I stood up to leave. A definite maybe for later.

I enjoyed my 'happy hour' bar-crawl. I was out from 6pm to 8pm and not only were drinks cheap (p60 for a San Mig), not one girl asked me for a lady-drink. I had dinner at a restaurant near my hotel and by 9 o'clock was ready for another assault on the Fields Avenue gogo bars. Since it was my first night back in Angeles, I decided to stick to my favourite bars, looking for a 10/10 girl to get this leg of the tour off to a flyer.

I started at DOLLSHOUSE which was good fun as usual. San Miguel, pop-corn and a bevy of beauties to watch - welcome to Angeles! 'Miss Perfect' wasn't there but of course there were some nice looking girls. I went to FORBIDDEN CITY next and got a seat right next to the stage. I was impressed with the sexy choreographed dance routines. There were two girls I liked the look of. One of them, a tall girl with long straight hair, put me off by looking bored when she wasn't dancing but the other, a 'pocket rocket' whose big tits were completely out of proportion with her tiny frame, definitely grabbed my attention. She wore far too much make-up which meant she had that 'slutty' look I enjoy from time to time.

Next I went to my favourite bar in Angeles, ATLANTIS. If Angeles is 'the supermarket of sex' as Thommo says, then Atlantis is the confectionary aisle. It's the ultimate 'shop window' because not once in any of my visits, had I been pestered for a lady-drink. You walk in, grab a seat, order a drink and sit back to watch the show. If you see a girl you like, you call them down. Pick'n'mix. No pressure, no rush, perfect. There were about 50 girls dancing and one caught my attention high on the balcony above. She was a Chinese looking beauty with her hair tied back and what looked like large natural tits. Because she was a distance away and in an elevated position, I couldn't quite gauge how pretty she was - she could be anything from a 7/10 to a 10/10, it was difficult to tell. Another definite maybe though.

Another bar which impressed me on my first visit was CLUB ASIA, at the bottom of the road. It's a smaller bar but has a high percentage of cuties. I was pleased to see that the shy girl from my last visit was there, this time displaying a bit more confidence (i.e dancing without her arms folded!). I invited her to join me for a lady-drink (p150) and up-close she was pure perfection. Her name was Antoinette and she had Spanish blood, which meant a pale complexion, an un-Filipino pointed nose and a gorgeously pretty face. She was 19 years old and wow, what a girl! Her cute demeanour reminded me of Ann from Cebu.

Since she was a ‘Cherry Girl’, her bar-fine was 3000 pesos - but of course that meant, in her own words, 'no boom boom'. How frustrating. Never mind ‘Cherry Girl’, this girl could have been the Cherry-on-the-icing-on-the-cake Girl, but unfortunately she was out-of-bounds. It reminded me of those quiz shows in which the host says "here's what you could have won"! I gave her a kiss on the cheek and told her how much I had enjoyed talking to her.

It was getting late, so I took a minute to review the night so far. Four girls had excited me. One of them, 'Cherry Girl' from Club Asia, was out-of-bounds, so I decided to return to Coyote Ugly to bar-fine the sexy GRO Ashley. She wasn't there though - apparently she had gone home because she had a 'headache' (is that gogo-talk for 'bar-fined'?). I returned to Atlantis to see whether I could get a closer look at 'China Doll' and although there were still plenty of girls, she was nowhere to be seen. It was the same story when I went to Forbidden City to look for 'Pocket Rocket'. It was turning in to another frustrating night.

I went back to DOLLSHOUSE, which is usually quite reliable for good lookers in the early hours. Again, it didn't disappoint - they definitely employ some dolls, that's for sure! Soon I was joined by a tiny 20 year old called Rizzy. From a distance she looked just another of those many cute girls you see, but up close she had a gorgeous face with mesmerising eyes and a nice body too. She would definitely be a trophy girl for my first night back in Angeles.

She was a Spotlight Girl which meant the bar-fine was 3000 pesos, but when I checked my wallet I didn't have enough money. I told her that I would go back to my hotel to get more money and return in 10 minutes. I did exactly that but when I walked back in to Dollshouse, she was chatting with another customer, a middle-aged Korean guy. When she saw me, she came over but didn't have the same flirty personality. There were no kisses and cuddles like earlier, instead she stood a few feet away looking hesitant. I interpreted that to mean that she preferred to go back to her new customer, a more lucrative source of pesos in her eyes perhaps. I let her go, her hesitation had cost her a bar-fine.

By now it was past 3am and most of the gogos were closed. No problem, I had been planning to visit SKY TRAX anyway. Nightclubs are an exciting way to meet girls and often you can pick up gogo dancers after their shift has finished. One of my best experiences in Thailand was a gogo dancer picked up at 3am in a nightclub in Chiang Mai. It was free entry to get in and the place had a lively (if smoky) atmosphere. I bought a beer and found a perfect vantage point, overlooking the dance floor and near the ladies toilets.

Although there were some pretty girls, I didn't think it was a great place to pick up freelancers as there were just as many Filipino boys. I'm not sure they'd be too happy to see a foriegner (especially an older foriegner) trying it on with their girls. A few girls flirted with me when they walked past, including a blonde I recognised as a Spotlight Girl from Dollshouse. I remembered what a sexy mover she was but facially she just didn't do it for me at all. I stayed for over an hour but didn't see any likely candidates for pay-for-play and even if I did, with so many Filipino boys around it seemed a difficult environment to score.

Just before I left, who should I catch a glimpse of but Rizzy in the centre of the dance floor. Obviously she hadn't been bar-fined by the Korean man after all. He might have had deeper pockets than me (more money) but at least I was willing to pay the bar-fine. I considered approaching her and attempting to negotiate a bargain basement price (i.e no spotlight bar-fine) but her hesitation towards me earlier had put me off.

By now I was desperate for a girl. I left Skytrax and walked up and down Fields Avenue looking for a last-ditch hook-up. But the time was 5am and it was very quiet. Only Dollshouse and Carousel were open and even the small group of freelancers that hang about at the junction with A Santos Rd had gone home for the night. That was my cue to do the same.

What a disaster - a night in Angeles without taking a girl. Surely that is the equivalent of not being able to score in a brothel?! Because there were so many girls to choose from, I had been too fussy and before I knew it, I had lost track of time and all of the good lookers had disappeared in to the night. My tactics needed adjusting. Maybe I should look to bar-fine earlier, say before 10, instead of striving for perfection all of the time?

'The early bird catches the worm' would be my new motto...


DAY 17: Angeles

I had been frustrated by two girl-free nights in a row - in fact, you could say that Sir Lancelot wasn't lancing a lot. I was determined to make up for it with two girls in a day. The problem is, Angeles isn't a great place for afternoon action. Oh for a good massage parlour. Maybe that's a business venture idea for any budding entrepreneurs who might be reading? Make it a soapy please!

I logged on to DATE IN ASIA and did a search for girls from Angeles. There was one cutie online so I sent her a message, telling her I'd like to meet her. A lot of the girls on DIA are 'good girls', genuinely looking for love, but this girl had a sexy photo with her ample cleavage on show, so I hoped that maybe she was game for an afternoon fling.

Next I walked to SM MALL, about ten minutes by foot from Fields Avenue. Although there were some nice girls, there wasn't a pick-up vibe, so I contented myself with a bite of lunch and a good perv at the girls walking by. Guilty pleasures. Afterwards I logged on to the internet again and discovered that the cutie from DIA had emailed me back with her number. The time was 3pm, so I sent her a text message seeing whether she wanted to meet at 5pm. I wondered whether she'd be as cute in reality as she was in her photo. I kept my phone close but she didn't get back in touch. Not to worry, I planned to be in Angeles for at least four or five days, so would have plenty of chance to meet her later.

I decided to eat at Orchid Inn and on the way walked past COYOTE UGLY. Ashley was standing outside, looking great in her smart yellow outfit. She wasn't like other 'Hello Girls', she had an air of sophistication about her. She tried to persuade me to go in for a drink but I told her I needed to eat, to which she kissed me on the lips and said "see you later". There was a sparkle in her eyes that made me think she would make it a pretty special experience if I went with her.

As I was eating dinner, I considered my options for the night. There was a temptation to head straight back to Coyote Ugly and bar-fine Ashley but it was far too early. Yeah, yeah, I realise that I said my new motto is 'the early bird catches the worm', but this early bird likes to fly around for a bit first! I love visiting gogo bars too much. I decided that I would go to several bars and if I saw a hot girl, I would bar-fine her on the spot. My policy of returning later just wasn't working as invariably they weren't there. But if I didn't find a girl before 10pm, I would bar-fine Ashley. It was a foolproof plan, what could possibly go wrong?

I decided to concentrate my efforts in the 'holy trinity' of gogos in Angeles: Forbidden City, Atlantis and Dollshouse. These were the three that I felt had the best looking girls, although at a price. To bar-fine a good looker in these places costs 3000 pesos, as opposed to between 1300 and 1500 pesos in some of the smaller bars, where equally attractive girls can be found. The advantage though is that each of these bars have an abundance of girls, mostly young and attractive. That means more chance of an early pick-up, exactly what I was after.

Every time I step inside FORBIDDEN CITY, I marvel at what a great venue it is. But we don't go to these places to admire the architecture, do we? Fortunately, there were plenty of girls too. A few caught my eye but none special enough to bar-fine, so I moved on to DOLLSHOUSE. Rizzy from the night before saw me and came to sit by my side, this time with her sexy sister. They didn't look like sisters at all, but if you could take Rizzy's looks and her sisters personality, you'd be close to the perfect girl. "I saw you in Sky Trax last night" I said to her and she looked a bit embarassed, maybe regretting the decision she made. I didn't bear a grudge though (she was just trying to make some honest bucks) so I bought her a drink. I was hypnotised by her eyes, not to mention her small-but-firm tits, so told her for the second time that I would like to bar-fine her. "Not tonight, I'm on my period" she said, "tomorrow okay?". Maybe this explained why she was reluctant to accept my bar-fine the night before and why she didn't go with the Korean guy?

Next I went to ATLANTIS, hoping that 'China Doll' would be there. She wasn't but my disappointment was short-lived as there was a 'Brazilian Thong Show' in which 20 girls did a catwalk routine wearing very little. There were lots of sexy bodies on show. By the time I left I was feeling horny, so I went to COYOTE UGLY to bar-fine Ashley. Would she be there this time? The answer was 'no' - for the second night in a row she was 'feeling ill' and had left early (more likely she had been bar-fined). My foolproof plan had made a fool of me.

I decided to go to BLUE NILE next as I had seen some pretty girls on a previous visit. There was a fun atmosphere with 10 girls on stage and probably double that chatting on the couches and stools. There were lots of pretty girls too, so I made a decision that I would definitely bar-fine one of them. But who would it be? Two fresh-faced lovelies who could pass as twin sisters were sat next to each other nearby and my mind began racing, thinking about the possibility of a cheeky threesome. I invited one of them over. Her name was Sherry, she was 21 and had a Korean look about her. I bought her a drink and enjoyed our chat. She was such a sweet girl though, I decided not to pursue my idea of a threesome with her lookalike friend. The bar-fine was 1500 pesos, although if Sherry worked in a bigger bar (like Dollshouse for example) she would command a spotlight fee of p3000.

It proved to be a memorable experience. She had a strange habit of biting my bottom lip when we were kissing, but she was enjoying herself so I didn't object. When I pulled her top off she apologised for her small boobs, although there was no need as I like small boobs. Small boobs = big nipples and whenever I sucked them she arched her back in exaggerated fashion, like she was having an orgasm. She started acting shy though when I removed my pants and I worried that maybe I had accidentally bar-fined a ‘Cherry Girl’. Fortunately she soon relaxed and when I showed her a condom and asked "okay?", she nodded.

I was very gentle with her and she seemed to love missionary, gently groaning, her eyes closed tightly like she was in another world. We tried doggy for about ten seconds before she told me that she didn't like it (I wondered whether she had ever tried it before) so I lay on my back and admired the view as she slowly eased herself down on to me. She wiggled her hips for a while and then laughed shyly, admitting "I don't know what to do". I helped her like any good teacher would, saying "that's it, nice and slowly, use your hips, good girl". After a while, her shyness apparently a thing of the past, she ordered "you on top" and as I fucked her, with her ankles around my ears, she gasped "I like, I like!".

I fell asleep cuddled up to her and reflected on a really memorable session with a cute, inexperienced girl. It was just what I needed after the frustration of the night before and made me realise that my new tactics (of bar-crawling until a specified cut-off time, then bar-fining) were worth persevering with.


DAY 18: Angeles

Sherry woke me up early in the morning, asking me whether she could leave. I liked the fact that she didn't get changed and then tell me that she was going, she asked first. I didn't have chance for a second pop in the morning (it's rare I do, I'm always sleeping off the exertions of the night before) but I felt she deserved a tip. I saw her out and then went back to bed to catch up on some sleep.

I slept until after midday and felt fully refreshed after a shower. After breakfast I went to an internet cafe and discovered that the cutie from Date In Asia had emailed, telling me that she couldn't meet during the day (daytime job) but would be happy to meet later that night. That didn't appeal to me - I enjoyed the hunt in the gogo bars too much. It was a shame, she looked nice in her photo. Plus the whole Date In Asia route can require a lot of time and effort and I was more interested in instant results.

Early evening, I passed Ashley again outside COYOTE UGLY. Word had got to her that I had been looking for her the previous night, so she was pleased to see me. She planted another kiss on my lips before I went to get myself dinner. 'Would tonight be the night I finally bar-fine her?' I thought.

I hit the gogo bars at 7pm and for the second time, TROPIX really impressed me. If Dollshouse, Atlantis and Forbidden City are 'top-dogs' in Angeles, Tropix is a good candidate for 'best of the rest'. It has a nice layout and lots of topless dancers whose breasts are camouflaged by bodypaint. There were 3 or 4 girls who were definite candidates for an early bar-fine (p1500), especially one beauty whose small tits were disguised by a Spongebob Squarepants design. I wondered whether the girls wash their bodypaint off before you fuck them? If not it would be like being fucked by a cartoon character. Thinking about it, that might be quite kinky if it was Jessica Rabbit or Penelope Pitstop.

Tropix is a 'must-see' in my opinion. No uninvited girls joined me at my table and not once was I pressured to buy a lady-drink. It's definitely a well-managed, customer-orientated place (there's even a sign above the stage explaining: 'ladydrink: regular 150, large 250'). I got chatting with a young waitress who remembered me from two weeks previously and even told me "Chiky is not here tonight". With a memory like that she's wasted working in a bar. Before I left she handed me a flyer for a 'Beauty Pageant Show' that was taking place later that night. I folded it and put it in my pocket. It sounded worth seeing, but my plan was to bar-fine a girl before 10pm.

Next I went to TYPHOON - perhaps I could find a girl in there to have a whirlwind romance with? (Sorry, I'll stop the jokes now). It was a strange venue. The dancing girls were below average but there were about 20 girls sat on the sidelines and four of them were absolutely gorgeous. Two GRO's in sexy outfits sat next to me, including an extremely pretty girl with braided hair and a killer smile. Unfortunately though, she put so much effort in to telling me that her friend liked me (and trying to get me to buy her friend a lady-drink) that I got the impression she wasn't interested in me herself. Some of the girls were easily pretty enough to be Spotlight Girls in a bigger club. The bar-fine was 1500 pesos.

Previously when I went to SHARK I wasn't impressed but this time there were a few lookers. For the price of a drink, it's definitely worth visiting these smaller bars as you just never know, your Miss Perfect might be waiting for you. I decided that the time had come to back-track towards my hotel, to bar-fine 'Coyote Ashley'. Third time lucky, surely she would be there this time? Again, the answer was no, she had left for the night. She was either very popular or had the worst immunity to illness in Philippines.

Incidentally, on this small stretch of bars there are lots of good-looking 'Hello Girls'. They are often younger and prettier than the dancers inside and one girl had especially caught my eye. Outside CAMELOT (the bar next door to my hotel) was a pretty young thing with braces on her teeth, who always smiled cutely whenever I walked past. She wasn't one of those girls who grabbed my arm as I walked past, or said the usual 'hi hansum' remarks, she just looked me in the eye and smiled, quietly confident and very sexy as a result.

So what now? I walked back to the busiest area on Fields Avenue and contemplated my options. Tropix and Typhoon had both impressed me earlier in the night and both had plenty of nice looking girls to choose from. But which bar would it be? As I was deciding, two girls walked past, one of whom had the biggest tits I had seen in my time in the Philippines. She caught me doing a double-take so flashed a cheeky smile in my direction.

I followed her down the road and she glanced back a few times before stopping to adjust her shoes. I got the impression that she wanted me to catch up with her. When I got nearer, my interest levels soared. She was just 4 foot 11 in height and was wearing tiny shorts and a tight top that emphasised her massive tits. Wow. She had blonde highlights in her hair, tattoos and a tongue-stud - she looked just like a porn-star! We chatted for a while and make no mistake, this girl looked and talked like a pro. But it was just what I needed after 'Sweet Sherry' the night before. Certainly my cock had decided for me, it was ready for action. Calm down boy.

I assumed that she was a freelancer but she actually worked at DIRTY DUCK, which meant a bar-fine of 1500 pesos. I couldn't resist, this was the type of girl I could have a lot of fun with. She was covered in green glitter and as we walked back to my hotel, she told me that her name was Mary-Jane and she was 21 years old. Back in the room we both showered (separately, as seems to be the fashion in the Phils) and then on the bed she pulled off her towel. Disappointingly her boobs were fake and, as a result, her nipples completely unresponsive. She kissed half-heartedly and despite a good blowjob, the sex was disappointingly mechanical. She wasn't quite the tiger in the bedroom I expected.

Even worse, just an hour after entering the room, she asked whether she could go home (more likely go back to work, I thought). This girl was popular, no doubt about it, guys like me lured in by those big tits of hers. In many ways she reminded me of a prostitute from Amsterdam's Red Light District - unaffectionate, mechanical and a clock-watcher. Although I was disappointed by her lack of enthusiasm and early departure, 1500 pesos for a blowjob and sex with a 21 year old porn-star lookalike, is still not bad. Put it this way, back in England I'd shag her every week if the price was just twenty quid a pop.

The next part of this diary will appear in the Angeles section in a few days time. Please note, this diary was originally written for www.whorist.com.

ThatGuy865
10-09-10, 20:12
You will never get a concensus on anything. Some people think big tippers ruin the market. Well there have always been big tippers. And they come from every country. I don't believe in large tips. But

For those who say they don't do anything. Do you tip a bartender at home. And I bet most do. They walk even less. And if you are drinking beer. They do even less still. But I bet you tip.

Its not what they do its how they do it. Do they give you quick service. Or do they stand around and you have to wave them over

Are they ready to quickly get you another when you are ready. Or are they off playing with the other girls and you have to sit and wait when you are ready.

These are the reason one tips. Not how far or how much work she has to do.

Rubberyman
10-10-10, 00:13
We live in a tipping culture. (Snip)
But I do feel the need to tip mainly because these girls are doing us a service.

Actually, many of us come from non-tipping cultures. As far as I know, the Phils is not generally a tipping culture. Except that because of many mongers coming to AC, it is now a small part of the Phils where it is expected from those whose culture it is to normally make a tip. So Koreans and Japanese are expected to tip more than US citizens who are expected to tip more than Aussies or Kiwis who might round up five or so pesos in a hundred if the bill is 95, or pay a trike fare if the service was good.

Your last sentence is correct IMO. If YOU feel the need to tip, then do so, it is your money. However, if you do that, the tip is for you - to make you feel good or whatever. - it is YOU feeling the need, rather than any local requirement.

GoodEnough
10-10-10, 01:04
I have a somewhat different take on this I think than most of the guys who have posted here.

Good service in the country is, at least in my experience, quite rare. On those few occasions that I actually receive service that's well above the mean, I tip because I'm grateful for the extra effort. If it's just the standard incompetent indifference, then I don't tip. I guess, in my small way, I'm trying to emphasize to those in the service industry that extra effort to please the customer does pay off.

GE

RCA Knight
10-10-10, 05:03
went through manila for one day assignment, decided to make a one day holiday to ac to check out the scenes after the well publicized raid. a very old taxi driver outside my hotel in manila whom i took taxi with the night before, offered me 3000 to ac, but i counter offered 2000, finally he took 2300, keeping saying he is old, 71 he said, and still have no house.

this old man simply drove at turtle speed, but got in ac safely, dropped me off at fields. i tried ac 6 times before in about 12-3 years span, never really liked it. but still come check every 2 years or so.

i would expect very few customers after all these raids, but all these fields hotels were all full, except the most expensive rooms, i guess people forget things very quickly or things return normal too quickly? after walking around, finally got tired and checked in the expensive room at royal amsterdam about 3000, all cheaper types all booked.

i started at 7pm after eating at jolibee, went through about 8 bars, did not see anyone i really really like to bonk. after lower my standard mentally, decided to pay bar a semi-cutie from genesis bar, bought her a drink, but later found out she is a mama, and she admitted she has baby stretches, so deal off. but she pointed to another one to me, not cute but nice figure, and she told me young and no baby, i was tired of switching bars decided to pay bar this one without even speaking a word to her.

gave them 2500, pay bar plus 1 ld and 2 beers, and the 2 mamasans who surrounded me all the times trying to talk to me about everything, which i think was annoying, nagging for a tip, so i gave them the change tray, they really took all the change. i thought pay bar was 1500, last few trip always paid 1500, but mamasan said its increased to 1800, is that correct? or mamasan put some commission into it? did not raise the issue since it's only one time deal, won't be back another 2 years.

the mediocre looking girl turned out to be okay, quite accommodating, good bbbj, but no cim as usual in filippines, good firm body, a little dark for my taste, shaved otherwise would be hairy i think, she left in the morning at 7 am, gave her 200 tip, gave me a warm thank you and little kiss on the cheek.

i arranged the same old man taxi to come back to take me back to manila airport later that day, same deal 2300. later i found out 2300 is considered cheap for taxi, some guy in ac told me 2500-3000 is normal. ac after thoughts, about the same as before, slow pace hunt, takes time to find someone to pay bar, if you have high standard you need to cut down expectation, lady quality and service far below southern china and macau in my opinion, maybe in the level of pattaya, but quite relaxing place to hang out with friendly girls for a few days, i think older folks may like it more than young guys. do not see any effects from these raids, the bars were quite full at night, so was hotels.

Ezinho
10-10-10, 07:51
I thought pay bar was 1500, last few trip always paid 1500, but mamasan said its increased to 1800, is that correct?
I can't speak for Genesis Bar, but I know for a fact that some bars on Fields have raised their barfines/EWRs from 1500 pesos to 1800, starting from this month. Also, some bars with 1200 peso barfines have increased to 1400. Everything seems to be going up in price here, barfines, hotels, food. Combine that with the PHP now at almost 43 to 1 USD and this dusty little brothel-town is not that good of a deal anymore.

As far as this discussion on tipping goes, let me just say that overtippers/big spenders are slowly ruining this place. I was at Atlantis this past Friday, there was a hula hoop contest going on. I called down one of the "spotlight" dancers named Riza, 20 years old, #A266. I wanted to talk to her; she looks just like one of my co-workers from Korea. So, right away she goes for the Double lady drink, and I tell the waitress I'm not Korean and I don't buy doubles, please bring her a rum and coke. Then she gets all huffy and says "no money, no honey". WTF! These girls should be happy guys buy them ANY drinks, single or double. We start talking and she keeps asking me to buy her things: "buy me a teddy bear, na!"-"throw ping pong balls, na!" The whole time I'm sitting there thinking "shoot me in the head, na!" Finally, I ask about barfines, she says she's a spotlight so her barfine is 3,000 pesos. How this girl, who looks ok but is no stunner at all, is worth a 3,000 peso barfine I still don't understand. She finishes her tiny drink and says she has to go to the CR. Five minutes later she's back on stage dancing, which was ok with me; I was actually glad she was gone.

But the point is, the whole time this "princess" was sitting there with me, guys were throwing money, chocolates, popping those noisemakers, throwing ping pong balls, hell, one guy didn't even throw the money, he just walked up to the stage, handed a girl a wad of 100 peso bills, and then scampered back to his seat; he didn't even say anything to her. This is why that cutie you want to barfine won't go with you; it's not because she's on "mens". It's because she can just sit in the bar and make her money off double lady drinks and guys throwing money at her. She doesn't have to fuck for money. And I can't say I blame the girls for this kind of behavior. Hell, if I went to work and some moron was literally thowing money at me while I sat at my desk, I wouldn't do my job, either. I'd just sit there and pick up the bills off the floor.

Ok, rant over. Thanks for letting me vent.

Blink157
10-10-10, 08:13
I have a somewhat different take on this I think than most of the guys who have posted here.

Good service in the country is, at least in my experience, quite rare. On those few occasions that I actually receive service that's well above the mean, I tip because I'm grateful for the extra effort. If it's just the standard incompetent indifference, then I don't tip. I guess, in my small way, I'm trying to emphasize to those in the service industry that extra effort to please the customer does pay off.

GE
hehehe, spoken from a guy who lives there, like me. I wonder why its not difficult for thai waiters or wetresses to memorize what have been ordered, even with their poor English skills, but when a pinoy repeat your order in perfect English, be sure its going to be wrong.
One time I received the soup after already been done with the main course. The waiter arrived with a smile. I smiled back and keep saying something in German to him, then I returned the soup and told him in English, keep it for yourself, thanks :D
Living and working in the Philippines is one thing, partying is another.

Blink

Wadman
10-10-10, 08:25
This reminds me of my own experience. Went to forbidden city on my last night (Tuesday a week ago). It's 2 am, and it's time for me to wrap things up. A number of cuties dancing on stage, but none of them would make eye contact. But I figure I will call 1 last girl down. Had to use the laser to point out the girl. She came down and holy crap... She was colder than the san Miguel light they served me. Hardly a smile, speaks only when spoken to, minimal touching , etc. After a few minutes of this, I gave up. Didn't say goodbye to her, didn't look her way, just turned around, got up and left.

Contrast this with the perimeter bar girls, some who will stradle you, grind you, kiss you and let you feel them up. All for the cost of a ladies drink, and cheaper there too at around 100-110 pesos.

It was my first trip to AC. For my next trip I will still go into the big showbars but I will go there to watch the shows and spend the minimum amount possible.



As far as this discussion on tipping goes, let me just say that overtippers/big spenders are slowly ruining this place. I was at Atlantis this past Friday, there was a hula hoop contest going on. I called down one of the "spotlight" dancers named Riza, 20 years old, #A266. I wanted to talk to her; she looks just like one of my co-workers from Korea. So, right away she goes for the Double lady drink, and I tell the waitress I'm not Korean and I don't buy doubles, please bring her a rum and coke. Then she gets all huffy and says "no money, no honey". WTF! These girls should be happy guys buy them ANY drinks, single or double. We start talking and she keeps asking me to buy her things: "buy me a teddy bear, na!"-"throw ping pong balls, na!" The whole time I'm sitting there thinking "shoot me in the head, na!" Finally, I ask about barfines, she says she's a spotlight so her barfine is 3,000 pesos. How this girl, who looks ok but is no stunner at all, is worth a 3,000 peso barfine I still don't understand. She finishes her tiny drink and says she has to go to the CR. Five minutes later she's back on stage dancing, which was ok with me; I was actually glad she was gone.

But the point is, the whole time this "princess" was sitting there with me, guys were throwing money, chocolates, popping those noisemakers, throwing ping pong balls, hell, one guy didn't even throw the money, he just walked up to the stage, handed a girl a wad of 100 peso bills, and then scampered back to his seat; he didn't even say anything to her. This is why that cutie you want to barfine won't go with you; it's not because she's on "mens". It's because she can just sit in the bar and make her money off double lady drinks and guys throwing money at her. She doesn't have to fuck for money. And I can't say I blame the girls for this kind of behavior. Hell, if I went to work and some moron was literally thowing money at me while I sat at my desk, I wouldn't do my job, either. I'd just sit there and pick up the bills off the floor.

Ok, rant over. Thanks for letting me vent.

Blink157
10-10-10, 08:35
Hi,
read your report Ezino and yes that is like it is in Atlantis. Morons need some kind of attention and ring the bell or throw money on the stage. Feeling like a millionaire LOL. I just sit there and watch it. Ok to me that they pay them, so expats like me dont :D
On another occassion I also saw one German in Makati( to hell with him) who hands out 3k PHP as xmas tip to one of the dancers there. My other friend wanted to f..ck her. She told him 5k in a short time room in the bar. Yeah right, One pop for 5K, but cant blame her if an idiot gives her 3k for doing nothing. That was a few years back.
Usually if the girl doesnt like you, she will ask for drinks and drinks and toy stuff or she just wanted to make money. I mentioned it before, I had a spotlight dancer as my GF before, but then split, because I found some else and realized it make no sense to have a GF who works in a bar, its cheaper to have different barfines then having a so called GF who also expects to be barfined when in mens :D cause I am her bf, yeah right.

Also typical the toilet thing. They go back and check their cp if any txt message or just check the suroundings if any of their regular moneybag is around, or not.

For me its perfect to befriend a dancer and then meet her on another day and make her my GF until I am tired of her and found another one :D

They play us, we play them.

Blink

Hesekiels
10-10-10, 10:55
...For me its perfect to befriend a dancer and then meet her on another day and make her my GF ...


no bad strategy! I do the following: whenever a girl served me nicely I get her cellphone number and invite her a couple of days later for an afternoon session. Virtually all of them accept that happily! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Amjeck
10-10-10, 15:24
As far as this discussion on tipping goes, let me just say that overtippers/big spenders are slowly ruining this place.
....... So, right away she goes for the Double lady drink, and I tell the waitress I'm not Korean and I don't buy doubles, please bring her a rum and coke. Then she gets all huffy and says "no money, no honey". WTF! .....

These girls should be happy guys buy them ANY drinks, single or double. We start talking and she keeps asking me to buy her things: "buy me a teddy bear, na!"-"throw ping pong balls, na!" The whole time I'm sitting there thinking "shoot me in the head, na!"

It will only get worse! Lets all just try to enjoy the place while it lasts. The opening up of asia, cheap flights, prosperous asian men, and freely flowing info on the net has ruined most good spots in asia. Thank god there are still a few hidden spots out there!

Hesekiels
10-10-10, 18:57
It will only get worse! Lets all just try to enjoy the place while it lasts. The opening up of asia, cheap flights, prosperous asian men, and freely flowing info on the net has ruined most good spots in asia. Thank god there are still a few hidden spots out there!


I was told by a dancer that the mamasans regularly 'teach' them these techniques, namely: "when invited then always try to order the expensive drinks and introduce your best friend as well (of course the next waitress comes immediately and makes sure that she gets her drink too)!" For the girls/ bar it's a perfect deal, for us customers it can become quickly expensive, because 2*300 pesos = 600 pesos = almost half the price for a barfine! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Strikesfun
10-10-10, 20:55
AC Knight, I agree with you AC lady quality and service far below southern China and Macau in my opinion also. There is no way to compare AC to Macau. The ladies, quality of service Macau is first class, if any of the girls pull some of the tricks the girls in AC do they would not be back to work anywhere including the street. Macau is about service and the way prices are going up Macau is a better bet. The ladies in AC have no clue what service is about when comparing to Macau. Looking a Manila I would say that Macau is less expensive and certainly much better. Also there are Phil girls there if that is to your liking.

Sir Lancelot
10-10-10, 23:52
I was told by a dancer that the mamasans regularly 'teach' them these techniques, namely: "when invited then always try to order the expensive drinks and introduce your best friend as well (of course the next waitress comes immediately and makes sure that she gets her drink too)!" For the girls/ bar it's a perfect deal, for us customers it can become quickly expensive, because 2*300 pesos = 600 pesos = almost half the price for a barfine! :)

Cheers!

HesekielsIn Angeles, apart from a few pushy waitresses, I didn't encounter many problems regarding lady-drinks but when I was in Cebu, I'd get mobbed by about three or four girls as soon as I'd walk in to a gogo bar. At first I naively thought it might be because I'm young (in my 30's) but then two minutes later, a waitress would appear and ask whether I'd like to buy a drink for each of the girls.

I turned it around though and had a bit of fun with it. I'd tell them "I have one rule... one boy-drink, one lady-drink" then I'd turn to the girls and go 'hmmm' and stroke my chin, being very theatrical, then I'd pick my favourite to buy a drink for. The girls really seemed to like it and we had a lot of fun. Sometimes I'd turn it in to a game, like making them guess the outcome of a toss of a coin, until one of them won the lady-drink. Another time I said that whoever could tell me the funniest joke got the lady-drink. All of the girls loved it, especially the winner!

My point is, although the girls get trained in extracting as many LD's as possible from the customer, if you stick to your own set of rules (and have the all-important smile on your face) you can have a lot of fun with the girls.

Then of course you're free to tip how you choose at the end. In the instance above, when the girls told me jokes, I put a 100 pesos on the table when I got up to leave and said "this is for all of you because you all really made me smile". My experience of Filipino gogo girls is that while they chase money (and who can blame them?) they appreciate smaller gestures as well.

MauiDude
10-11-10, 04:54
I was told by a dancer that the mamasans regularly 'teach' them these techniques, namely: "when invited then always try to order the expensive drinks and introduce your best friend as well (of course the next waitress comes immediately and makes sure that she gets her drink too)!" For the girls/ bar it's a perfect deal, for us customers it can become quickly expensive, because 2*300 pesos = 600 pesos = almost half the price for a barfine!

Cheers!

HesekielsThat is when I pay my bill and walk out. Or I just tell them I am only watching.

Unless I choose to buy them drinks. Sometimes I will buy three girls drinks and its all for fun. But if they are pushing or just keep adding on with other girls I did not request then I pay and go.

Like if I get a girl I don't like. I interview them very fast and find out if there is any chance of compatability before I spend money on them. I do appreciate when they dance and allow me to play with them in the bar so then I am more then happy to buy drinks and or tips to them. But again only at my choosing.

Sang Kancil
10-11-10, 09:41
Went to AC from 7 - 10th Oct. Checked out ISG and nearly cancelled the trip due to the recent raid.Joined by 4 friends (2 of them are first timers).Pretty normal except less door girls and more covered up.First day we spent more time in the Perimeter bar and negotiated with 4 girls in the presence of mummy for a orgy and brought them back to one room.1 girl was having menses and we said she can do blowjob and after some alcohol,we managed to pulled down their guard.I managed to screw 2 of them till one of the guy showed his massive erected cock and than all hell broke loose.The girls got panic (one tiny cutie cried when he waved his dong in front of her face.She fled to the toilet and started to crying.I have to coax her out and announce,ok..ok..show was over and told em to go back - early work release.
Day 2,went over to a gogo bar and greeted by one girl I had bar fined earlier.She was a joy to be with,good GFE but sometimes can be loud.Bought a LD and started some small talk and realized she had a small new tattoo on her shoulder.It was a heart shape with a guy's name.Than I asked her whether she had found a new BF till she wanted to put it on her forever.But her answer shocked me.She said this guy took a fancy on her and paid the 30K which was split by 2 with the bar takes half and another half for the girl.Contract for 2 years and that means he can EWR her and dont need to pay any bar fine within the 2 years.According to her,he forced her to get a tattoo with his name.WTF, this moron thinks the girl is a cattle to be branded.Real arsehole.According to her she managed to persuade to get a smaller tattoo and had one helluva time coz she had developed allergy due to the tattoo.The third time she saw this guy along the road with a different girl but he didnt come for her and she was glad.Really felt pity and adviced her to save some money to do some laser tattoo removal treatment.The evel the men do.What say you guys?

Sang Kancil

X Man
10-11-10, 14:57
Oh, heaven forbid!!! Wathching the show! It does boggle the mind the way some mamas or bar girls role their eyes when you say you JUST want to watch the show.

I would never do so, but sometimes I just want to say, "get your fat, ugly ass out of my way, out of the chair next to me, out of the chair in front of me, and let me relax with a beer while I think truly naughty things while I watch the gals in their skimpy bikinis dancing on the stage."


That is when I pay my bill and walk out. Or I just tell them I am only watching.

Unless I choose to buy them drinks. Sometimes I will buy three girls drinks and its all for fun. But if they are pushing or just keep adding on with other girls I did not request then I pay and go.

Like if I get a girl I don't like. I interview them very fast and find out if there is any chance of compatability before I spend money on them. I do appreciate when they dance and allow me to play with them in the bar so then I am more then happy to buy drinks and or tips to them. But again only at my choosing.

MauiDude
10-11-10, 19:03
Day 2,went over to a gogo bar and greeted by one girl I had bar fined earlier.She was a joy to be with,good GFE but sometimes can be loud.Bought a LD and started some small talk and realized she had a small new tattoo on her shoulder.It was a heart shape with a guy's name.Than I asked her whether she had found a new BF till she wanted to put it on her forever.But her answer shocked me.She said this guy took a fancy on her and paid the 30K which was split by 2 with the bar takes half and another half for the girl.Contract for 2 years and that means he can EWR her and dont need to pay any bar fine within the 2 years.According to her,he forced her to get a tattoo with his name.WTF, this moron thinks the girl is a cattle to be branded.Real arsehole.According to her she managed to persuade to get a smaller tattoo and had one helluva time coz she had developed allergy due to the tattoo. --.Really felt pity and adviced her to save some money to do some laser tattoo removal treatment.The evel the men do.What say you guys?

Sang Kancil[/QUOTE]I think if true yes the guy is an ass? But is it really true. The girls make up so many stories that I find it hard to believe. But on the other hand there are some guys that treat girls like cattle and then it can happen?

But she can disappear on him also after he paid a permanent bar fine.

Not sure he could do anything about it. If he is not with her.

And yes I have a lot of empathy for the girls working in the clubs. So I do try to be good to girls that are good to me.

Boricua
10-11-10, 20:35
Ok! I know, I know, I know. This is a longshot. Girls move from place to place in AC and you never know when she will leave and go back home, but I have to give this a shot. I saw this video on YouTube (2008) Club Atlantis: Girls Gone Wild, Part 2. There is a fantastic looking lady toward the end of the video wearing a two piece, aqua with black dots. I would really love to know if any of you who have been around for a while happen to know who she is and if she is still around. I also came across a photo of her on another website. She is so hot! Please, please help. I'm going back to AC in a couple of months.

Amjeck
10-11-10, 21:29
The evel the men do.What say you guys?


She's a prostitute.

Sammon
10-11-10, 22:33
Day 2,went over to a gogo bar and greeted by one girl I had bar fined earlier.She was a joy to be with,good GFE but sometimes can be loud.Bought a LD and started some small talk and realized she had a small new tattoo on her shoulder.It was a heart shape with a guy's name.Than I asked her whether she had found a new BF till she wanted to put it on her forever.But her answer shocked me.She said this guy took a fancy on her and paid the 30K which was split by 2 with the bar takes half and another half for the girl.Contract for 2 years and that means he can EWR her and dont need to pay any bar fine within the 2 years.According to her,he forced her to get a tattoo with his name.WTF, this moron thinks the girl is a cattle to be branded.Real arsehole.According to her she managed to persuade to get a smaller tattoo and had one helluva time coz she had developed allergy due to the tattoo. --.Really felt pity and adviced her to save some money to do some laser tattoo removal treatment.The evel the men do.What say you guys?

Sang KancilI think if true yes the guy is an ass? But is it really true. The girls make up so many stories that I find it hard to believe. But on the other hand there are some guys that treat girls like cattle and then it can happen?

But she can disappear on him also after he paid a permanent bar fine.

Not sure he could do anything about it. If he is not with her.

And yes I have a lot of empathy for the girls working in the clubs. So I do try to be good to girls that are good to me.[/QUOTE]
You should know by now these girls lie a lot. They will tell you only the stories which will gather your maximum sympathy. I am sure she loved this guy enough to get a tattoo. Maybe he got one too with her name.
Now that she has split with him want some gullible guy to pay for the tattoo to be removed.
What do you care? Are you going to marry her?
Just enjoy her without knowing her life history or feeling sorry.
It is true that there is something called permanent barfine. In reality it is a scam. Yes, The bar will split 50-50 with the girl whatever the money is paid. Long time ago one girl I was seeing tried to sell me the same thing just because I kept her for three nights paying barfine. I told her I am a butterfly and will not settle with one girl. Just because the guy paid the money does not mean the girl will not go with other people when the guy is not in town.
I cannot imagine why some people are so naive and fall for these bargirls enough so that they get scammed every which way.

ThatGuy865
10-12-10, 00:11
Day 2, went over to a gogo bar and greeted by one girl I had bar fined earlier. She was a joy to be with, good GFE but sometimes can be loud. Bought a LD and started some small talk and realized she had a small new tattoo on her shoulder. It was a heart shape with a guy's name. Than I asked her whether she had found a new BF till she wanted to put it on her forever. But her answer shocked me. She said this guy took a fancy on her and paid the 30K which was split by 2 with the bar takes half and another half for the girl. Contract for 2 years and that means he can EWR her and don't need to pay any bar fine within the 2 years. According to her, he forced her to get a tattoo with his name. WTF, this moron thinks the girl is a cattle to be branded. Real arsehole. According to her she managed to persuade to get a smaller tattoo and had one helluva time because she had developed allergy due to the tattoo... Really felt pity and adviced her to save some money to do some laser tattoo removal treatment. The evel the men do. What say you guys?

Sang KancilI think if true yes the guy is an ass? But is it really true. The girls make up so many stories that I find it hard to believe. But on the other hand there are some guys that treat girls like cattle and then it can happen?

But she can disappear on him also after he paid a permanent bar fine.

Not sure he could do anything about it. If he is not with her.

And yes I have a lot of empathy for the girls working in the clubs. So I do try to be good to girls that are good to me.[/QUOTE]If this is true. Then the raids are valid because that would be [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). Sex slave action. Basically selling her for 2 years as his sex slave for only 30k. But I think she gave you a bunch of BS.

If thats pesos. Thats bullshit because any girl can make that in a few months. Thats only like 20 to 25 BFs for a low end girl and only 10 for a stunner. And in 2 yrs he would rack up way more times than that.

If dollars Id say bullshit because no guy would be that dumb not knowing what the girl would look like in a year. She could get pregnant, get a bunch of strecth marks or just leave and hes lost all his money.

And lastly if he paid that much for her. Why would he then turn around and be with another girl so soon. If he was that smitten with this one.. Yeah I could see after a month or 2 or even a few weeks. But you don't pay that then walk away after 1 or 2 nights.

If the mommie confirmed it as being true, I would have told the girl to quit the bar. Leave the mammasan and go to another city and probably would have helped her. (which I have done before but for other reasons).

I've gone to AC for years, know a lot of mommies, expats and have never heard of a permanent 2yr BF. How do they know the girl would even be there and as for the guy why would he.

Tally Wacker
10-12-10, 00:49
Yes long time bar fine does exist. When I was in AC a number of months ago there was a bar girl that was long timmed barfined by a guest at my hotel that was working long hours durring the day. I was chilling out at the pool and bar durring the day so I talked to her many times as she was hanging arround borred while he was working. I swam in the pool with her on many occasions and it was obvious I could have had a short time with her durring the day. I also met her "BF" so I did not attempt to have fun with her.

I did go out one night to a bar and the "long time barfine girl" came into the bar and danced up on stage with the other girls in her street clothes. I asked the waitress about her and she said yes she has ben "long time barfinned".

I did not see the point of it since there are so many non bar girls available that would die at the chance to be in that position for free.


It is true that there is something called permanent barfine. In reality it is a scam. Yes, The bar will split 50-50 with the girl whatever the money is paid. Long time ago one girl I was seeing tried to sell me the same thing just because I kept her for three nights paying barfine. I told her I am a butterfly and will not settle with one girl. Just because the guy paid the money does not mean the girl will not go with other people when the guy is not in town.

Anneelke
10-12-10, 01:39
Or when I enter the bar I say I am looking to meet a friend and then if not interested I say he must be at another bar.

Sometimes we whiteys are too soft for our own good.

I now embrace the asian aspect of "refusal does not offend" and find it useful when dealing in western society.


That is when I pay my bill and walk out. Or I just tell them I am only watching.

Unless I choose to buy them drinks. Sometimes I will buy three girls drinks and its all for fun. But if they are pushing or just keep adding on with other girls I did not request then I pay and go.

Like if I get a girl I don't like. I interview them very fast and find out if there is any chance of compatability before I spend money on them. I do appreciate when they dance and allow me to play with them in the bar so then I am more then happy to buy drinks and or tips to them. But again only at my choosing.

Amavida
10-12-10, 04:37
Day 2,went over to a gogo bar and greeted by one girl I had bar fined earlier.She was a joy to be with,good GFE but sometimes can be loud.Bought a LD and started some small talk and realized she had a small new tattoo on her shoulder.It was a heart shape with a guy's name.Than I asked her whether she had found a new BF till she wanted to put it on her forever.But her answer shocked me.She said this guy took a fancy on her and paid the 30K which was split by 2 with the bar takes half and another half for the girl.Contract for 2 years and that means he can EWR her and dont need to pay any bar fine within the 2 years.According to her,he forced her to get a tattoo with his name.WTF, this moron thinks the girl is a cattle to be branded.Real arsehole.According to her she managed to persuade to get a smaller tattoo and had one helluva time coz she had developed allergy due to the tattoo. --.Really felt pity and adviced her to save some money to do some laser tattoo removal treatment.The evel the men do.What say you guys?




I think if true yes the guy is an ass? But is it really true. The girls make up so many stories that I find it hard to believe. But on the other hand there are some guys that treat girls like cattle and then it can happen?

But she can disappear on him also after he paid a permanent bar fine.

Not sure he could do anything about it. If he is not with her.

And yes I have a lot of empathy for the girls working in the clubs. So I do try to be good to girls that are good to me.
Absolutely nothing surprises me here any more. I have seen so many examples of men coming here to bars & behaving in a way that betrays deep insecurity &/or extreme misogyny.

AV

George111
10-12-10, 23:12
My friends just got back from Angeles and said that the Blue Nile is happening more than the other clubs.

ThatGuy865
10-13-10, 04:00
Yes long time bar fine does exist. When I was in AC a number of months ago there was a bar girl that was long timmed barfined by a guest at my hotel that was working long hours durring the day. I was chilling out at the pool and bar durring the day so I talked to her many times as she was hanging arround borred while he was working. I swam in the pool with her on many occasions and it was obvious I could have had a short time with her durring the day. I also met her "BF" so I did not attempt to have fun with her.

I did go out one night to a bar and the "long time barfine girl" came into the bar and danced up on stage with the other girls in her street clothes. I asked the waitress about her and she said yes she has ben "long time barfinned".

I did not see the point of it since there are so many non bar girls available that would die at the chance to be in that position for free.What you are talking about is different. The girl you are talking about is just being bar fined everyday while the guy is there. There are many guys who do that. And often the girls go back to the bar while they are off and the guy may be busy doing something else. The girl goes back because their friends are there. And of course the bar doesn't mind. But they do not try to service other men or put on a uniform as if they are working. That is what he implied. Since he thought she was working until the girl told him otherwise.

Many guys bf girls for a week. 2 weeks. And always it with girls who want to be with them. But 2 years. Thats slavery plain and simple. Especially a girl whom he claims doesn't even like the guy or want to be with him.

As I stated if she told me. Id help the girl leave the bar and if they dare say something to me. I would report them and hope they would get busted as "sex slave" partakers.

Matius
10-13-10, 10:53
Day 2,went over to a gogo bar and greeted by one girl I had bar fined earlier.She was a joy to be with,good GFE but sometimes can be loud.Bought a LD and started some small talk and realized she had a small new tattoo on her shoulder.It was a heart shape with a guy's name.Than I asked her whether she had found a new BF till she wanted to put it on her forever.But her answer shocked me.She said this guy took a fancy on her and paid the 30K which was split by 2 with the bar takes half and another half for the girl.Contract for 2 years and that means he can EWR her and dont need to pay any bar fine within the 2 years.According to her,he forced her to get a tattoo with his name.WTF, this moron thinks the girl is a cattle to be branded.Real arsehole.According to her she managed to persuade to get a smaller tattoo and had one helluva time coz she had developed allergy due to the tattoo.The third time she saw this guy along the road with a different girl but he didnt come for her and she was glad.Really felt pity and adviced her to save some money to do some laser tattoo removal treatment.The evel the men do.What say you guys?

Sang KancilThink you are getting a story based on facts but got lost in translation. Permanent bf or Long term bf, prices range from about 26K to 30K plus. Generally the split is approx. 50/50, little something goes to the mamasan, just as in a daily bf. There is no "contract". The girl only goes with the guy if she wants to. She stays with the guy as long as she wants. The guy has no right to tattoe her against her will or frankly do anything against her will. The two year thing may have been the bar telling the guy, if the girl comes back to work, and the girl agrees to go with him, the guy will not be charged a bf over the next two years. I have no idea how the bar plans on keeping track of that, but suspect that was the story. Not that she was indentured to him for two years. Neither is she 'required" to go with him.

Why do guys do this? The most common reason is economy. If a guy really likes a girl and would like to bf her on a regular basis, it becomes cheaper to just pay the Permanent bf. Some guys plan on taking a month long trip around PH, want a particular girl with them, paying the permanent is cheaper. Anything over two weeks is generally cheaper. Another reason, as it sounds is the case with your girl, the guy wants her available, but maybe does not want to support her or pay for her housing or be tied to her every day and night. Pays the long term bf, as a cheaper alternative to daily bf, the girl continues to work, earns money, maybe lives in the bar's stay-in, etc. This type of bf also makes the girl feel more comfortable, opposed to just sneaking out for an extended period, as she can always come back to the bar without worry of being found out. In some cases, the guy and girl really hit it off, the bar is both of their favorite spots, both want to be girl friend and boyfriend, and attend the bar without fear of recrimination. A few hundred dollars is not a huge sum to give the bar and the other half goes to his new love.

Matius
10-13-10, 11:03
But 2 years. Thats slavery plain and simple. Especially a girl whom he claims doesn't even like the guy or want to be with him.

As I stated if she told me. Id help the girl leave the bar and if they dare say something to me. I would report them and hope they would get busted as "sex slave" partakers.Its a fantasy, there is no such thing on Perimeter and Fields in Angeles. Any girl can leave any bar anytime they want. The girl can always choose who she wants to be with and that often pisses many off, as they make an excuse to not be with a person. All the bars on the strip, the girl makes the final decision to be with a guy, and if she does not like a bar or guy and wants to leave, she leaves. Simple as that. There is nothing even resembling sex slavery on Fields or Perimeter road in Angeles.

Matius
10-13-10, 11:10
My friends just got back from Angeles and said that the Blue Nile is happening more than the other clubs.A couple of months ago, the Lewis Grand group of investors bought out the Blue Nile group, which consisted of Blue Nile, Nero's and Bedrock. They closed Nero's and Bedrock, moving all the girls into Blue Nile. No great trick, just took the same girls that were always there and shoved them into a smaller space, but you are right, the guys like it. Since the raids, think some of the Dirty Duck girls are also there. At times its hard to tell if it is more happening, or just so many girls sitting around, even three customers makes the bar seem full. Its the Lewis Grand formula, same done in Dirty Duck, just pack the bar to the walls with girls.

MauiDude
10-13-10, 12:23
Its a fantasy, there is no such thing on Perimeter and Fields in Angeles. Any girl can leave any bar anytime they want. The girl can always choose who she wants to be with and that often pisses many off, as they make an excuse to not be with a person. All the bars on the strip, the girl makes the final decision to be with a guy, and if she does not like a bar or guy and wants to leave, she leaves. Simple as that. There is nothing even resembling sex slavery on Fields or Perimeter road in Angeles.I know lots of bar girls now. They come and go as they want. Yes sometimes they may lose there I'd s. And the mamason can be difficult with them but they are not slaves. And yes they get to choose who they go with. If they turn down too many guys or cause problems then they are fired out.

But I have never heard or have I seen anything close to slavery other then the poverty conditions they are in that they may feel they have no choices.

But at least in the major bars on fields they are free to choose.

Tally Wacker
10-13-10, 14:58
The long time barfine girl I am referring to was on her 6th. month being barfined and the guy had another 6 months before his work was ending.

Just seemed pointless to me.


What you are talking about is different. The girl you are talking about is just being bar fined everyday while the guy is there. There are many guys who do that. And often the girls go back to the bar while they are off and the guy may be busy doing something else. The girl goes back because their friends are there. And of course the bar doesn't mind. But they do not try to service other men or put on a uniform as if they are working. That is what he implied. Since he thought she was working until the girl told him otherwise.

Many guys bf girls for a week. 2 weeks. And always it with girls who want to be with them. But 2 years. Thats slavery plain and simple. Especially a girl whom he claims doesn't even like the guy or want to be with him.

As I stated if she told me. Id help the girl leave the bar and if they dare say something to me. I would report them and hope they would get busted as "sex slave" partakers.

Strikesfun
10-13-10, 16:30
Matius, This is true choice, freedom, 'all the bars on the strip, the girl makes the final decision to be with a guy, and if she does not like a bar or guy and wants to leave, she leaves.'

Take a place like the US, girls cannot chose they are force if without college to work in low paying ($6-7 per hr) jobs, work many hours 60-70 hour per weeks as cashiers, clearing or health care, cleaning someone crap. Should they chose to go to college the loans at the end are high in some cases $150,000 to $200,000. Then the concept is to work work and work. Lets say you make the choice to make some extra money law upon law will cut you down then the cost of lawyers and fines. Just think how nice it is to have choice head down to AC work a few weeks head home. Of course there are issues in a country as the Fillipines but there are as many if not more other places

ThatGuy865
10-13-10, 17:52
Matius, This is true choice, freedom, 'all the bars on the strip, the girl makes the final decision to be with a guy, and if she does not like a bar or guy and wants to leave, she leaves.'

Take a place like the US, girls cannot chose they are force if without college to work in low paying ($6-7 per hr) jobs, work many hours 60-70 hour per weeks as cashiers, clearing or health care, cleaning someone crap. Should they chose to go to college the loans at the end are high in some cases $150,000 to $200,000. Then the concept is to work work and work. Lets say you make the choice to make some extra money law upon law will cut you down then the cost of lawyers and fines. Just think how nice it is to have choice head down to AC work a few weeks head home. Of course there are issues in a country as the Fillipines but there are as many if not more other placesAre you trying to say women in the Philippines have more options and better choices than the USA. You should stop doing whatever drugs or alcohol you are doing. It has completely warped your brain.

Rebel Monger
10-13-10, 18:31
Matius, This is true choice, freedom, 'all the bars on the strip, the girl makes the final decision to be with a guy, and if she does not like a bar or guy and wants to leave, she leaves.'

Take a place like the US, girls cannot chose they are force if without college to work in low paying ($6-7 per hr) jobs, work many hours 60-70 hour per weeks as cashiers, clearing or health care, cleaning someone crap. Should they chose to go to college the loans at the end are high in some cases $150,000 to $200,000. Then the concept is to work work and work. Lets say you make the choice to make some extra money law upon law will cut you down then the cost of lawyers and fines. Just think how nice it is to have choice head down to AC work a few weeks head home. Of course there are issues in a country as the Fillipines but there are as many if not more other places
Are you trying to say that women have better job opportunities and conditions in AC than in USA?

Rubberyman
10-13-10, 22:59
Are you trying to say that women have better job opportunities and conditions in AC than in USA?

That's not what he is saying.

His point was (and he mentioned it specifically) that if a woman in the US works at a low wage job, she has no real opportunity to work escort for example and make twenty times that much because of the law. At low wage rates, one has to work hard and it is impossible for most (there are some who can get out of it, but they are a minority) to get out of it. In the Phils, a woman can go to AC for a few years and get enough $$ to set themselves up in a sari sari store for example. No blanket statement such as you suggest was made.

But I am not sure it is really on topic for this board anyhow.

FurryFriend
10-14-10, 00:40
Take a place like the US, girls cannot chose they are force if without college to work in low paying ($6-7 per hr) jobs, work many hours 60-70 hour per weeks as cashiers, clearing or health care, cleaning someone crap. Should they chose to go to college the loans at the end are high in some cases $150,000 to $200,000. Then the concept is to work work and work. Lets say you make the choice to make some extra money law upon law will cut you down then the cost of lawyers and fines. Just think how nice it is to have choice head down to AC work a few weeks head home. Of course there are issues in a country as the Fillipines but there are as many if not more other places

You're on crack man!

The only girls who can make really big bucks in Angeles City are the really hot ones. Guess what? If you're really hot, you're still better off in America where you can work in fashion or marry some sugar daddy.

There's a reason why 90% of Filipinas would leave the country if she could.

Matius
10-14-10, 03:52
you're on crack man!

the only girls who can make really big bucks in angeles city are the really hot ones. guess what? if you're really hot, you're still better off in america where you can work in fashion or marry some sugar daddy.

there's a reason why 90% of filipinas would leave the country if she could.

almost sure this is not the forum for this discussion. but not trying to suggest a young person with their whole life ahead of them, would not be better off making something of themselves in north america, europe or australia, to name a few. most bar girls make more money than their peers who attained a university education and are working in the provinces. foreign countries have been trying to pull the philippines out of poverty for over a century, the end result being the filipino politico ends up being corrupt and without morals, this corruption and getting something for nothing permeates the whole society. without at least a semi-honest political system, and a non-corrupted rule of law, this country will never be anything but a backwater third world country where the only thing of value is the cheap pussy and exportable cheap labor.

but who are the bigger fools, the stupid politicians in the western countries who continue to send aid that does nothing but enrich the elite here, or the poor country people who sell their bodies for the price of a pizza. [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) as is the major topic here now, is a result of the government corruption which prevents the average citizen having a better standard of living. these western countries would be better served in tying their aid to responsible and ethical governance rather than trying to treat the symptoms of corruption. it does not even have to be perfect, look at china, thailand and now vietnam with the rapid increase in per capita income, in the same region the philippines main problem is the filipino. if the issue is poverty forcing girls into prostitution, then we should remember who is responsible for the poverty. the western countries have spent billions to help the philippines and what have the filipino's done with their opportunities...bought cell phones.

ThatGuy865
10-14-10, 04:46
That's not what he is saying.

His point was (and he mentioned it specifically) that if a woman in the US works at a low wage job, she has no real opportunity to work escort for example and make twenty times that much because of the law. At low wage rates, one has to work hard and it is impossible for most (there are some who can get out of it, but they are a minority) to get out of it. In the Phils, a woman can go to AC for a few years and get enough $$ to set themselves up in a sari sari store for example. No blanket statement such as you suggest was made.What you fail to realize is what those girls are doing is considered illegal in the PI. Prostitution is not legal but the bars get away with it by calling it EWR and not a sex deal. If the USA was as corrupt. There would be the same thing. You just have to be a bit more discreet in the USA

A lot of strippers in the USA make BIG money. So you can't say women in the USA who want to make money using their bodies don't have venues and make damm good money and a featured touring stripper makes thousands a week and thats with no sex involved.

And lets not even talk about escorts. Shit their take home would pay the salaries of all the girls in one bar and still have money to spare. Look at what eliot spitzer was paying 5K a night and that not unusual.

And very few of these girls made enough money from the bar fines and salaries to buy a sari sari store. You can count on your fingers the ones who are smart enough to save money for 2 weeks let alone long enough for it to pile up to buy a store.

The ones who are able to buy sari sari stores usually have suckered some foreigner sap who kicked out the funds to her. Feeling sorry for them. So it isn't really the work they did. Its the sponser they caught. Their are girls who are on DIA that get lucky, find a foreigner. Get married and are able to buy a house and support their families. You wouldn't say DIA was a good job just because it got them the guy who then bought them and their families a home and support.

Rubberyman
10-14-10, 10:36
What you fail to realize is what those girls are doing is considered illegal in the PI.I realise it full well. The point I was making was that people, in their responses had failed to realise what the original poster was saying.

No point in arguing a case against something that was never said in the first place.

I understand that this is an English language forum, and that some people naturally misinterpret stuff from time to time. However, some of the comments were so obviously wide of what the original poster said that they had missed his meaning entirely.

Red Kilt
10-14-10, 11:00
But who are the bigger fools, the stupid politicians in the Western countries who continue to send aid that does nothing but enrich the elite here................These Western countries would be better served in tying their aid to responsible and ethical governance rather than trying to treat the symptoms of corruption................This is not true Matius.

I am closely linked to the provision and spending of Western development aid money here in the Philippines, and I can assure you that this money does NOT enrich the elite here. In fact, you might like to know that a large proportion of aid money is closely and conditionally tied to governments making significant steps in revamping their governance structures before money is released to them.

What you are confusing is that a lot of development aid that comes through the large providers such as the Asian Development Bank and World Bank is LOAN money for which the Philippine Government is responsible for spending. It is not always clear that all of this money is spent in valid ways, but it is a LOAN and has to be repaid by the Phils Govt. It is not the same thing as so-called Western grant money.

The banks too are trying to tighten the auditing processes.
A good example is the recent newspaper accounts of the black-listing of several Phils companies who were found to have mis-used World Bank funds.

Hesekiels
10-14-10, 11:48
But who are the bigger fools, ... or the poor country people who sell their bodies for the price of a pizza. Come on, brother! Let's be happy that the girls in AC do so! LT for the price of a pizza, that's great isn't it?! And mongers like us do benefit from it, don't we? At least I have not the slightest problem with that! Or should I?

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Five10
10-14-10, 13:19
The rest of you I am not certain.

But I know with complete certainty that thousands of girls throughout the world receive significant help from guys like us who, although lustful, have great compassion for those less fortunate.

Sir Lancelot
10-14-10, 20:51
Hello - here is a continuation of the diary I wrote in March and April earlier this year. It was originally written for the rather excellent www.whorist.com.

DAY 19: Angeles

I woke up covered in green glitter. It had rubbed on to me from Mary-Jane's fine young chassis. It was difficult to scrub off and even after a shower I looked like I was about to attend a children's party!

Time was running out on this trip. Just four nights remained and I was determined to go out with a bang. My plan was to stay three more nights in Angeles, where hopefully I would bar-fine three A-grade girls, before heading back to Manila for one final night in LA Cafe. Four girls minimum and four stunners, that was the plan.

Angeles had been a pleasant surprise so far, but there isn't much to keep mongers (or tourists for that matter) occupied during the day. One option is 'blow row', a small cluster of 'blow-job bars' on A Santos Road, running off Fields Avenue. I walked past a few of them mid-afternoon, one of which had the inspired name of Gobblers. A few well-worn girls smiled at me as I walked past and the bars appeared quite shabby. There were curtains at the back, presumably behind which the deed is done. I saw one girl with 'blow-job lips' but overall I wasn't too inspired.

In hindsight, I regretted that I hadn't collected some phone numbers off my favourite girls. Had I done so, then maybe I could have organised an afternoon session with Alex, who had provided me with such a memorable experience a fortnight earlier, or even the cute and inexperienced 'Sweet Sherry'. It's always best to give yourself as many options as possible and collecting phone numbers is essential.

On the way out for dinner, I passed Ashley, who was looking even foxier than normal and gave me my customary kiss on the lips. This time I was determined to bar-fine her. After I finished my meal I returned straight to COYOTE UGLY and, hallelujah, she was still there! There was something special about her, a sophistication and elegance. At 28 she was a little older than other girls in the bar, but she liked me and would undoubtedly provide me with the type of 'girlfriend experience' I crave. I paid the bar-fine (1500 pesos) and waited while she went to get changed. It was only 9pm. The early bird had caught the worm.

We walked the fifty yards back to my hotel and the cute girl outside Camelot cursed under her breath when she saw me with another girl. Ashley asked "does she like you?" as we entered my hotel and I felt guilty. I had flirted quite a lot with 'Camelot Cutie' and it could quite easily have been her coming with me to my room. Not to mention it would have been an interesting duel, Lancelot v Camelot.

Ashley and I watched a movie, cuddled up, and exchanged kisses during the adverts. It felt a bit like a second date when you know that one thing will lead to another. After the film, we showered separately. For some reason, Filipino girls don't seem to enjoy showering together like in Thailand. I always find it's a great way to break the ice (and get turned on), lathering up a nubile-bodied young hottie.

After I finished my shower I walked back in to the bedroom and Ashley, now hidden beneath the bedsheet, asked whether I could switch the lights off. This always sets alarm-bells ringing as I wonder 'why?'. I remember once going with a big-boobed street-walker I picked up at 3am in Koh Samui of all places, who asked for the lights to be switched off. As I was being rode in the darkness, it occured to me that I might be shagging a ladyboy!

I always like to have some soft lighting when I'm having sex, so we compromised on the bathroom door being left slightly ajar. Ashley certainly wasn't a ladyboy and if she was self-conscious about her naked appearance, she needn't have worried, she had a nice body. She was very affectionate and before long we were fucking. Earlier she told me that she had two kids, but her pussy still felt tight and despite the fact that she obviously had experience, she was groaning in such a way that I had to stop to ask her whether she was okay. "Oh yes, keep going" she said.

After we finished, we lay next to each other chatting. Apparently her salary is just 150 pesos per night, plus p50 for each lady-drink. She was upset because Coyote Ugly had fined her 300 pesos for not being able to work at the weekend - but it was the only time she could go to see her kids (who of course she was supporting by working in the gogo bar). It's a tough life for these girls. If a girl satisfies you, tip generously.


DAY 20: Angeles

I spent the day either in bed, on the internet or carrying out a few basic chores. I had a shave and noticed that I still had flecks of green glitter over my face (stubborn stuff to get rid of!). That made me remember Mary-Jane, which made me remember her massive tits, which made me horny, which made me want to find another hot girl to shag. Just as well I was in Angeles really... :)

Before long it was gogo time. I started in ATLANTIS and once again was struck by the sheer number of girls dancing. Then I saw her - 'China Doll' - watching from the balcony above. Again it was difficult to assess just how pretty she was, as the balcony is high up, but she looked fantastic with her hair tied back and her boobs were unquestionably the biggest in the club. I'd become quite infatuated by her since I first saw her four days earlier, so decided that the time had come for us to meet.

I looked around for a waitress to call her down but I was too late. The dreaded green dot from a laser-pen flashed across her chest, summoning her to another customer instead. So close but yet so far! She came downstairs and sat with an arrogant Korean guy, who hardly spoke to her at all, instead just treated her as a trophy on his arm as he boisterously chatted with his friends. At least I got to see her from a closer distance and decided that yes, this girl was very special indeed. I decided to move on to a few other bars and then return to Atlantis later, hoping that she was still there. I didn't hold out much hope.

I went to CAROUSEL nearby and again there were plenty of girls and a few potential bar-fines. One cute girl kept smiling over timidly whenever she came in to my view while another, with a great body and tattoos, was the type who would surely provide a wild time. Then again, as Mary-Jane proved, looks can be deceiving. I returned to ATLANTIS to see whether 'China Doll' was free but she was still sat with the same Korean man, looking bored as he flashed his cash. I turned around and left without having a drink.

Next I went to DOLLSHOUSE and Rizzy immediately spotted me, the girl I had tried to bar-fine twice earlier in the week without success. She looked great, dancing at the front of the stage next to her cute sister. She was undoubtedly one of the best looking girls I had seen in Angeles but I had my doubts about her. She just didn't seem that interested in me and even if I did manage to bar-fine her (third time lucky), she showed all of the hall-marks of a 'starfish'.

A GRO sat beside me though who was fantastic fun. After flirting for a while, she sat astride me, kissed me passionately and bizarrely kept putting her tongue in my ears. "What's your name?" I asked, "Divine" she replied. That figures, I thought. Not only was she a sexy little minx with a sexy little body, she also had a sparkly personality. I bought her a lady-drink and told her truthfully that she was the most entertaining GRO I had met during my time in Philippines. I imagined her to be equally entertaining in bed. I considered bar-fining her for some 'Divine inspiration' but I couldn't get 'China Doll' out of my head.

I had learnt two lessons. Firstly, looks aren't everything. When Divine first sat with me I wasn't immediately sold, as lookswise she was a 7/10. But 15 minutes later, after all of the affection that she had lavished on me, she was a very strong 'first reserve' if I couldn't obtain the services of 'China Doll'. The second lesson I learnt was that if you sit on the back row in Dollshouse, the girls are all over you! I was in the corner beneath the DJ booth and at one point Divine was lying on top of me, trying to eat my face off!

My plan was to go back to ATLANTIS to see whether 'China Doll' was free, and if not return to Dollshouse to bar-fine Divine. I walked past the two long rows of 'Hello Girls' outside Atlantis (who by this point I was becoming very familiar with) and noticed that the table was empty where 'China Doll' had been sitting. Had she been bar-fined? I sat on a stool, ordered a drink and surveyed the stage, fearing the worst. At first I didn't see her but then, as I was beginning to lose hope, I spotted her on the balcony above. I didn't hesitate a second this time. I summoned a passing waitress to call her down from the balcony with her laser-pen.

Yes, I had done it! I felt nervous and excited as she walked down from the balcony, on her way to sit next to me. I love that adrenaline rush when you know you've captured the girl you really want.

Would she be as pretty as I hoped? The answer was a resounding yes. Maybe her looks were more Vietnamese than Chinese (which makes a mockery of my nickname for her) but either way, she had a beautiful face. I bought her a drink and enjoyed getting to know her. At first she was a little shy but twenty minutes later we were laughing, feeding each other pop-corn and playing silly games. I found it almost impossible not to glance at her large boobs, pressed together in the tight bra she was wearing. I decided that she was perfect, the type of girl I dream about on trips like this. Her name was Gel and she was 19.

At one point an old Asian gent nearby asked his GRO to show him Gel's number badge. He played dumb, pretending he was just interested to know how the difference between the green and white badges, but he was blatantly registering his interest, trying to steal my girl. Think again pal! Unsurprisingly she was a Spotlight Girl, so I paid her bar-fine (p3000) and walked her back to my hotel.

She seemed the innocent type, so we lay on bed, cuddled up and watched the end of a movie. She seemed to like me because after we kissed for the first time, she had a smile on her face. As I have mentioned, kissing is a big turn-on for me and Gel just couldn't get enough of it. I pulled her T-shirt off and her tits were a sight to behold, large and natural. Before long we were both naked and I was on top of her, sliding in and out of her juicy pussy. I fucked her gently at first and then enjoyed leaning upright and fucking her harder, watching us both in the large mirror next to the bed, those big tits of hers wobbling with each thrust.

My favourite position to finish is with the girl on top, especially if she's a pretty girl with big boobs, which Gel most certainly was. So I came inside her (or rather inside my condom which was inside her) with a great view of those prize assets of hers, swinging back and forth in front of my face.

What a star. I had been spoilt with the quality of girls on this trip but Gel was perhaps the pick of the bunch. We fell asleep hugging each other, legs intertwined.


DAY 21: Angeles

Gel and I spent most of the morning kissing and fooling around. I don't think I've ever been with such an affectionate girl who loves kissing so much. She kept tickling me, much to her amusement, and when she said that she needed to go, I joked that I wouldn't let her, pinning her down to the bed, telling her "you're mine now!". Eventually I let her go and then lay back marveling at the night that had just passed. A 10/10 girl and a 10/10 experience - those don't come along very often.

Only two nights remained of my trip before I flew back to England. Since I planned on spending my last night in Manila, the question was what should I do on my last night in Angeles? As much as I loved the thrill of going to new bars, looking for fresh talent, the overwhelming temptation was to bar-fine Gel again. I did have other options too: the cute ‘Hello Girl’ from Camelot or maybe Divine, the GRO who pounced on top of me in Dollshouse. Also, despite her previous excuses, Rizzy from Dollshouse intrigued me... and so did her sister come to think of it.

There was only one winner. Yes it's fun to go with as many girls as possible when on a sex-tour but it's rare you meet one that you consider perfect. I went to ATLANTIS at 7pm, the time I knew Gel started, and saw her in the middle of the crowded stage, dancing while sharing a joke with her friends. Without hesitation I called a waitress over, took her laser-pen and pointed it at Gel. Amusingly, when she looked up and saw it was me, she pretended to hide behind the other girls.

When she sat with me I bought her a drink and asked her whether she would like to spend the night with me again. She agreed but told me that she had to wait until 10 o'clock to pick up her wages (again, good signs - she could have gone with me, had a quickie, then made her excuses to get back to the bar). I spoke with the mamasan and agreed to pay her bar-fine up-front (p3000), in effect booking her for 10 o'clock. I asked Gel what would happen if another customer wanted to bar-fine her and she replied "I'll tell them I can't, I have a boyfriend!". I was liking this girl more and more.

It was actually the ideal scenario. I only went to Atlantis so early to ensure I didn't miss out on Gel, but now I had over two hours to savour Angeles for the last time, before returning to Atlantis for my 'appointment'. For the fourth night in a row I went to Orchid Inn for dinner and once again the food was excellent. As a hotel it's very popular with ex-pats who can often be found at the bar. Afterwards I went to two bars, GENESIS and FANTASY CLUB. Both were cosy with plenty of girls and had a nice atmosphere. I enjoyed sitting back and relaxing, my girl for the night already booked for later.

Before this trip, I didn't really know what to expect of Angeles, but it certainly delivered. There are so many different bars (most of which I didn't have time to visit) and so many different girls (most of whom I didn't have time to shag). :)

I think Forbidden City, Atlantis and Dollshouse are the three best bars, with plenty of girls and the best lookers too. But bear in mind that the bar-fine for Spotlight Girls in these places is 3000 pesos, whereas you can find some great girls in places like Tropix and Blue Nile for half that price. To anyone thinking of visiting Angeles, my advice is to go to as many bars as possible, not just the big ones. There are so many fresh young cuties just waiting to be discovered and of course searching is half the fun.

In terms of prices, Angeles is much cheaper than both Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, the main gogo areas in Thailand. Presuming you're aiming for top-end girls, a babe from one of the big gogo bars in Angeles costs an all-inclusive fee of 3000 pesos for long-time. But if you bagged a similar quality girl from Soi Cowboy for example, it would cost about 500 baht (bar-fine) plus 2000 for 'long-time' (maybe more). That's a minimum of 2500 baht which, given current exchange rates, is 15% more expensive than Angeles.

The real difference though, comes for 'budget bangers'. If you steer clear of the big gogo bars in Angeles (Dollshouse, Atlantis etc), you can pick up babes for 1300-1500 pesos, all-inclusive. In other words, if you shop around, you can find gorgeous girls for over half price. In Bangkok you don't have that option because the 'bar-fine' is generally the same. If you shop around you might pick up a girl for 2000 baht for long-time but that's more than twice as expensive than Angeles!

So if gogos are your thing, Angeles is the place for you. In fairness though, I should point out that Bangkok's gogo scene is infinitely better than Manila's, both in terms of talent and prices. Also, you can find nudity at Thai gogo bars, which you can't find in Philippines (except for bodypaint) and Thailand also is best for sexy shows (lesbian routines etc). In other words, what I'm trying to say is that the gogos in both Philippines and Thailand have their strengths... why not visit them both? ;)

I returned to ATLANTIS and had a brief moment of panic when I couldn't see Gel anywhere, before a waitress told me that she was upstairs getting changed. When she appeared she looked cute and we decided to have a few drinks at some of the other bars on Fields Avenue. First we went to PASHA so she could say hello to a friend. There were some pretty girls dancing but of course they didn't pay as much attention to me now I had a companion. It was refreshing to buy Gel a drink at non-inflated lady-drink prices.

Next I took her to FORBIDDEN CITY for the first time. She wore that 'wow' facial expression when she first walked in and we got seats at the front. I immediately recognised the girl sitting next to me, arm-in-arm with a bald man. It was Divine, the foxy GRO from Dollshouse, a girl who I probably would have bar-fined myself the night before had it not been for the girl sat on my other side. We smiled at each other and she looked prettier than I remembered. At one point 20 peso notes rained from the balcony above and I liked Gel even more when she picked one up from the floor and handed it to one of Forbidden City's dancers. This girl had 'class' written all over her.

We got back to my room and watched another film, cuddled up to each other. Afterwards we kissed and fooled around for a while before falling asleep together.

The final section of this diary will appear in the Manila section soon.

Sid70
10-15-10, 05:59
Dear folks,

I read already alot in different forums but I may still have one or two questions. I will be in angeles again this year (this after a break of 13years). I choosed to book the ABC and I will be there around mid of dec. After research I did I decided to book the fly with Cebu (even I read also some negative reports about Cebu. Anyway). Now my question. The arrival time in Cebu is around 4am the morning (coming from BKK). How to be sure to get a "serious" taxi driver? And to the guys who already booked at ABC. I know tht they provide a pick up service for free. Do they pick you up also at 4am the morning? Thanks in advance for your help.

P.S. I pretty sure that I wll make some pictures who I wll post in the photo section.

Koolshot737
10-15-10, 10:45
Great reports SL.

I am following up for quite some time and am sure it will be helpful for my Manila and AC trip during first week of November.

Would like to know more about bar fines and tips in AC. You have written that in Atlantis you paid P3000 all inclusive, does it include bar fine + tips?

Regards,
KOOL


Hello - here is a continuation of the diary I wrote in March and April earlier this year. It was originally written for the rather excellent www.whorist.com.

DAY 19: Angeles

I woke up covered in green glitter. It had rubbed on to me from Mary-Jane's fine young chassis. It was difficult to scrub off and even after a shower I looked like I was about to attend a children's party!

Time was running out on this trip. Just four nights remained and I was determined to go out with a bang. My plan was to stay three more nights in Angeles, where hopefully I would bar-fine three A-grade girls, before heading back to Manila for one final night in LA Cafe. Four girls minimum and four stunners, that was the plan.

Angeles had been a pleasant surprise so far, but there isn't much to keep mongers (or tourists for that matter) occupied during the day. One option is 'blow row', a small cluster of 'blow-job bars' on A Santos Road, running off Fields Avenue. I walked past a few of them mid-afternoon, one of which had the inspired name of Gobblers. A few well-worn girls smiled at me as I walked past and the bars appeared quite shabby. There were curtains at the back, presumably behind which the deed is done. I saw one girl with 'blow-job lips' but overall I wasn't too inspired.

In hindsight, I regretted that I hadn't collected some phone numbers off my favourite girls. Had I done so, then maybe I could have organised an afternoon session with Alex, who had provided me with such a memorable experience a fortnight earlier, or even the cute and inexperienced 'Sweet Sherry'. It's always best to give yourself as many options as possible and collecting phone numbers is essential.

On the way out for dinner, I passed Ashley, who was looking even foxier than normal and gave me my customary kiss on the lips. This time I was determined to bar-fine her. After I finished my meal I returned straight to COYOTE UGLY and, hallelujah, she was still there! There was something special about her, a sophistication and elegance. At 28 she was a little older than other girls in the bar, but she liked me and would undoubtedly provide me with the type of 'girlfriend experience' I crave. I paid the bar-fine (1500 pesos) and waited while she went to get changed. It was only 9pm. The early bird had caught the worm.

We walked the fifty yards back to my hotel and the cute girl outside Camelot cursed under her breath when she saw me with another girl. Ashley asked "does she like you?" as we entered my hotel and I felt guilty. I had flirted quite a lot with 'Camelot Cutie' and it could quite easily have been her coming with me to my room. Not to mention it would have been an interesting duel, Lancelot v Camelot.

Ashley and I watched a movie, cuddled up, and exchanged kisses during the adverts. It felt a bit like a second date when you know that one thing will lead to another. After the film, we showered separately. For some reason, Filipino girls don't seem to enjoy showering together like in Thailand. I always find it's a great way to break the ice (and get turned on), lathering up a nubile-bodied young hottie.

After I finished my shower I walked back in to the bedroom and Ashley, now hidden beneath the bedsheet, asked whether I could switch the lights off. This always sets alarm-bells ringing as I wonder 'why?'. I remember once going with a big-boobed street-walker I picked up at 3am in Koh Samui of all places, who asked for the lights to be switched off. As I was being rode in the darkness, it occured to me that I might be shagging a ladyboy!

I always like to have some soft lighting when I'm having sex, so we compromised on the bathroom door being left slightly ajar. Ashley certainly wasn't a ladyboy and if she was self-conscious about her naked appearance, she needn't have worried, she had a nice body. She was very affectionate and before long we were fucking. Earlier she told me that she had two kids, but her pussy still felt tight and despite the fact that she obviously had experience, she was groaning in such a way that I had to stop to ask her whether she was okay. "Oh yes, keep going" she said.

After we finished, we lay next to each other chatting. Apparently her salary is just 150 pesos per night, plus p50 for each lady-drink. She was upset because Coyote Ugly had fined her 300 pesos for not being able to work at the weekend - but it was the only time she could go to see her kids (who of course she was supporting by working in the gogo bar). It's a tough life for these girls. If a girl satisfies you, tip generously.


DAY 20: Angeles

I spent the day either in bed, on the internet or carrying out a few basic chores. I had a shave and noticed that I still had flecks of green glitter over my face (stubborn stuff to get rid of!). That made me remember Mary-Jane, which made me remember her massive tits, which made me horny, which made me want to find another hot girl to shag. Just as well I was in Angeles really... :)

Before long it was gogo time. I started in ATLANTIS and once again was struck by the sheer number of girls dancing. Then I saw her - 'China Doll' - watching from the balcony above. Again it was difficult to assess just how pretty she was, as the balcony is high up, but she looked fantastic with her hair tied back and her boobs were unquestionably the biggest in the club. I'd become quite infatuated by her since I first saw her four days earlier, so decided that the time had come for us to meet.

I looked around for a waitress to call her down but I was too late. The dreaded green dot from a laser-pen flashed across her chest, summoning her to another customer instead. So close but yet so far! She came downstairs and sat with an arrogant Korean guy, who hardly spoke to her at all, instead just treated her as a trophy on his arm as he boisterously chatted with his friends. At least I got to see her from a closer distance and decided that yes, this girl was very special indeed. I decided to move on to a few other bars and then return to Atlantis later, hoping that she was still there. I didn't hold out much hope.

I went to CAROUSEL nearby and again there were plenty of girls and a few potential bar-fines. One cute girl kept smiling over timidly whenever she came in to my view while another, with a great body and tattoos, was the type who would surely provide a wild time. Then again, as Mary-Jane proved, looks can be deceiving. I returned to ATLANTIS to see whether 'China Doll' was free but she was still sat with the same Korean man, looking bored as he flashed his cash. I turned around and left without having a drink.

Next I went to DOLLSHOUSE and Rizzy immediately spotted me, the girl I had tried to bar-fine twice earlier in the week without success. She looked great, dancing at the front of the stage next to her cute sister. She was undoubtedly one of the best looking girls I had seen in Angeles but I had my doubts about her. She just didn't seem that interested in me and even if I did manage to bar-fine her (third time lucky), she showed all of the hall-marks of a 'starfish'.

A GRO sat beside me though who was fantastic fun. After flirting for a while, she sat astride me, kissed me passionately and bizarrely kept putting her tongue in my ears. "What's your name?" I asked, "Divine" she replied. That figures, I thought. Not only was she a sexy little minx with a sexy little body, she also had a sparkly personality. I bought her a lady-drink and told her truthfully that she was the most entertaining GRO I had met during my time in Philippines. I imagined her to be equally entertaining in bed. I considered bar-fining her for some 'Divine inspiration' but I couldn't get 'China Doll' out of my head.

I had learnt two lessons. Firstly, looks aren't everything. When Divine first sat with me I wasn't immediately sold, as lookswise she was a 7/10. But 15 minutes later, after all of the affection that she had lavished on me, she was a very strong 'first reserve' if I couldn't obtain the services of 'China Doll'. The second lesson I learnt was that if you sit on the back row in Dollshouse, the girls are all over you! I was in the corner beneath the DJ booth and at one point Divine was lying on top of me, trying to eat my face off!

My plan was to go back to ATLANTIS to see whether 'China Doll' was free, and if not return to Dollshouse to bar-fine Divine. I walked past the two long rows of 'Hello Girls' outside Atlantis (who by this point I was becoming very familiar with) and noticed that the table was empty where 'China Doll' had been sitting. Had she been bar-fined? I sat on a stool, ordered a drink and surveyed the stage, fearing the worst. At first I didn't see her but then, as I was beginning to lose hope, I spotted her on the balcony above. I didn't hesitate a second this time. I summoned a passing waitress to call her down from the balcony with her laser-pen.

Yes, I had done it! I felt nervous and excited as she walked down from the balcony, on her way to sit next to me. I love that adrenaline rush when you know you've captured the girl you really want.

Would she be as pretty as I hoped? The answer was a resounding yes. Maybe her looks were more Vietnamese than Chinese (which makes a mockery of my nickname for her) but either way, she had a beautiful face. I bought her a drink and enjoyed getting to know her. At first she was a little shy but twenty minutes later we were laughing, feeding each other pop-corn and playing silly games. I found it almost impossible not to glance at her large boobs, pressed together in the tight bra she was wearing. I decided that she was perfect, the type of girl I dream about on trips like this. Her name was Gel and she was 19.

At one point an old Asian gent nearby asked his GRO to show him Gel's number badge. He played dumb, pretending he was just interested to know how the difference between the green and white badges, but he was blatantly registering his interest, trying to steal my girl. Think again pal! Unsurprisingly she was a Spotlight Girl, so I paid her bar-fine (p3000) and walked her back to my hotel.

She seemed the innocent type, so we lay on bed, cuddled up and watched the end of a movie. She seemed to like me because after we kissed for the first time, she had a smile on her face. As I have mentioned, kissing is a big turn-on for me and Gel just couldn't get enough of it. I pulled her T-shirt off and her tits were a sight to behold, large and natural. Before long we were both naked and I was on top of her, sliding in and out of her juicy pussy. I fucked her gently at first and then enjoyed leaning upright and fucking her harder, watching us both in the large mirror next to the bed, those big tits of hers wobbling with each thrust.

My favourite position to finish is with the girl on top, especially if she's a pretty girl with big boobs, which Gel most certainly was. So I came inside her (or rather inside my condom which was inside her) with a great view of those prize assets of hers, swinging back and forth in front of my face.

What a star. I had been spoilt with the quality of girls on this trip but Gel was perhaps the pick of the bunch. We fell asleep hugging each other, legs intertwined.


DAY 21: Angeles

Gel and I spent most of the morning kissing and fooling around. I don't think I've ever been with such an affectionate girl who loves kissing so much. She kept tickling me, much to her amusement, and when she said that she needed to go, I joked that I wouldn't let her, pinning her down to the bed, telling her "you're mine now!". Eventually I let her go and then lay back marveling at the night that had just passed. A 10/10 girl and a 10/10 experience - those don't come along very often.

Only two nights remained of my trip before I flew back to England. Since I planned on spending my last night in Manila, the question was what should I do on my last night in Angeles? As much as I loved the thrill of going to new bars, looking for fresh talent, the overwhelming temptation was to bar-fine Gel again. I did have other options too: the cute ‘Hello Girl’ from Camelot or maybe Divine, the GRO who pounced on top of me in Dollshouse. Also, despite her previous excuses, Rizzy from Dollshouse intrigued me... and so did her sister come to think of it.

There was only one winner. Yes it's fun to go with as many girls as possible when on a sex-tour but it's rare you meet one that you consider perfect. I went to ATLANTIS at 7pm, the time I knew Gel started, and saw her in the middle of the crowded stage, dancing while sharing a joke with her friends. Without hesitation I called a waitress over, took her laser-pen and pointed it at Gel. Amusingly, when she looked up and saw it was me, she pretended to hide behind the other girls.

When she sat with me I bought her a drink and asked her whether she would like to spend the night with me again. She agreed but told me that she had to wait until 10 o'clock to pick up her wages (again, good signs - she could have gone with me, had a quickie, then made her excuses to get back to the bar). I spoke with the mamasan and agreed to pay her bar-fine up-front (p3000), in effect booking her for 10 o'clock. I asked Gel what would happen if another customer wanted to bar-fine her and she replied "I'll tell them I can't, I have a boyfriend!". I was liking this girl more and more.

It was actually the ideal scenario. I only went to Atlantis so early to ensure I didn't miss out on Gel, but now I had over two hours to savour Angeles for the last time, before returning to Atlantis for my 'appointment'. For the fourth night in a row I went to Orchid Inn for dinner and once again the food was excellent. As a hotel it's very popular with ex-pats who can often be found at the bar. Afterwards I went to two bars, GENESIS and FANTASY CLUB. Both were cosy with plenty of girls and had a nice atmosphere. I enjoyed sitting back and relaxing, my girl for the night already booked for later.

Before this trip, I didn't really know what to expect of Angeles, but it certainly delivered. There are so many different bars (most of which I didn't have time to visit) and so many different girls (most of whom I didn't have time to shag). :)

I think Forbidden City, Atlantis and Dollshouse are the three best bars, with plenty of girls and the best lookers too. But bear in mind that the bar-fine for Spotlight Girls in these places is 3000 pesos, whereas you can find some great girls in places like Tropix and Blue Nile for half that price. To anyone thinking of visiting Angeles, my advice is to go to as many bars as possible, not just the big ones. There are so many fresh young cuties just waiting to be discovered and of course searching is half the fun.

In terms of prices, Angeles is much cheaper than both Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, the main gogo areas in Thailand. Presuming you're aiming for top-end girls, a babe from one of the big gogo bars in Angeles costs an all-inclusive fee of 3000 pesos for long-time. But if you bagged a similar quality girl from Soi Cowboy for example, it would cost about 500 baht (bar-fine) plus 2000 for 'long-time' (maybe more). That's a minimum of 2500 baht which, given current exchange rates, is 15% more expensive than Angeles.

The real difference though, comes for 'budget bangers'. If you steer clear of the big gogo bars in Angeles (Dollshouse, Atlantis etc), you can pick up babes for 1300-1500 pesos, all-inclusive. In other words, if you shop around, you can find gorgeous girls for over half price. In Bangkok you don't have that option because the 'bar-fine' is generally the same. If you shop around you might pick up a girl for 2000 baht for long-time but that's more than twice as expensive than Angeles!

So if gogos are your thing, Angeles is the place for you. In fairness though, I should point out that Bangkok's gogo scene is infinitely better than Manila's, both in terms of talent and prices. Also, you can find nudity at Thai gogo bars, which you can't find in Philippines (except for bodypaint) and Thailand also is best for sexy shows (lesbian routines etc). In other words, what I'm trying to say is that the gogos in both Philippines and Thailand have their strengths... why not visit them both? ;)

I returned to ATLANTIS and had a brief moment of panic when I couldn't see Gel anywhere, before a waitress told me that she was upstairs getting changed. When she appeared she looked cute and we decided to have a few drinks at some of the other bars on Fields Avenue. First we went to PASHA so she could say hello to a friend. There were some pretty girls dancing but of course they didn't pay as much attention to me now I had a companion. It was refreshing to buy Gel a drink at non-inflated lady-drink prices.

Next I took her to FORBIDDEN CITY for the first time. She wore that 'wow' facial expression when she first walked in and we got seats at the front. I immediately recognised the girl sitting next to me, arm-in-arm with a bald man. It was Divine, the foxy GRO from Dollshouse, a girl who I probably would have bar-fined myself the night before had it not been for the girl sat on my other side. We smiled at each other and she looked prettier than I remembered. At one point 20 peso notes rained from the balcony above and I liked Gel even more when she picked one up from the floor and handed it to one of Forbidden City's dancers. This girl had 'class' written all over her.

We got back to my room and watched another film, cuddled up to each other. Afterwards we kissed and fooled around for a while before falling asleep together.

The final section of this diary will appear in the Manila section soon.

Koolshot737
10-15-10, 10:46
Great reports SL.

I am following up for quite some time and am sure it will be helpful for my Manila and AC trip during first week of November.

Would like to know more about bar fines and tips in AC. You have written that in Atlantis you paid P3000 all inclusive, does it include bar fine + tips?

Regards,
KOOL

MauiDude
10-15-10, 11:43
Great reports SL.

I am following up for quite some time and am sure it will be helpful for my Manila and AC trip during first week of November.

Would like to know more about bar fines and tips in AC. You have written that in Atlantis you paid P3000 all inclusive, does it include bar fine + tips?

Regards,

KOOLThe good thing about angeles is that the bar fine is all inclusive for the most part.

What ever you pay then that is all that is required. Of course you can give more but don't have to.

The fines range from 700 pesos to 3000 pesos. Depending on where you go.

And for how long. Some of the st bars on santos st is 700 for about one or two hours of BJ and more.

She goes back to the bar after.

Long time there is much more expensive.

The regular bars have been raising prices and you have to ask. But no tip is required after bar fine.

Where as in manila you pay bar fine and then negotiate the balance seperately with the girl.

MauiDude
10-15-10, 11:49
Dear folks,

I read already alot in different forums but I may still have one or two questions. I will be in angeles again this year (this after a break of 13years). I choosed to book the ABC and I will be there around mid of dec. After research I did I decided to book the fly with Cebu (even I read also some negative reports about Cebu. Anyway). Now my question. The arrival time in Cebu is around 4am the morning (coming from BKK). How to be sure to get a "serious" taxi driver? And to the guys who already booked at ABC. I know tht they provide a pick up service for free. Do they pick you up also at 4am the morning? Thanks in advance for your help.

P.S. I pretty sure that I wll make some pictures who I wll post in the photo section.The taxi services are always available.

Just be careful of the rip offs. But if you catch it from the airport you have less risk but pay more.

Like at clark they last raised for a car 500 pesos from clark airport to wild orchid hotel. That is expensive but still cheap compared to USA prices.

Where as in cebu its about the same or less for a longer ride to town.

I may have a number of a taxi service in cebu. But I either just catch from the airport at the arrivals or walk up to the departures just up stairs(cebu)

And tell them to use the meter and give a tip ?

At 4 am in the morning I just pay the extra and don't worry about it.

Its a set rate.

In cebu you can also stay at the Waterfront Hotel next to airport or get cabs from there also.

Most will use the meter if you insist. When one refuses I just open the door and get ready to jump out. They do not want that attention and will turn on meter

Clark also has jeepney service now but at 4 am I am going to use the airport car or taxi.

Edward M
10-15-10, 17:35
This is not true Matius.

I am closely linked to the provision and spending of Western development aid money here in the Philippines, and I can assure you that this money does NOT enrich the elite here. In fact, you might like to know that a large proportion of aid money is closely and conditionally tied to governments making significant steps in revamping their governance structures before money is released to them.

What you are confusing is that a lot of development aid that comes through the large providers such as the Asian Development Bank and World Bank is LOAN money for which the Philippine Government is responsible for spending. It is not always clear that all of this money is spent in valid ways, but it is a LOAN and has to be repaid by the Phils Govt. It is not the same thing as so-called Western grant money.

The banks too are trying to tighten the auditing processes.
A good example is the recent newspaper accounts of the black-listing of several Phils companies who were found to have mis-used World Bank funds.Obviously you are on the ground there but I tend to agree with this quote:

"Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.'' Douglas Casey (1992)

Hesekiels
10-15-10, 18:09
...Now my question. The arrival time in Cebu is around 4am the morning (coming from BKK). How to be sure to get a "serious" taxi driver? And to the guys who already booked at ABC. I know tht they provide a pick up service for free. Do they pick you up also at 4am the morning?


So, you arrive around 4am at Cebu and look for a taxi driver who brings you to ABC hotel in Angeles? Well, you might consider to book your ferry first?! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Sammon
10-15-10, 22:37
So, you arrive around 4am at Cebu and look for a taxi driver who brings you to ABC hotel in Angeles? Well, you might consider to book your ferry first?! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels
I think he meant clark airport in AC.

Robbaf
10-15-10, 22:42
I assumed that she was a freelancer but she actually worked at DIRTY DUCK, which meant a bar-fine of 1500 pesos. I couldn't resist, this was the type of girl I could have a lot of fun with. She was covered in green glitter and as we walked back to my hotel, she told me that her name was Mary-Jane and she was 21 years old. Back in the room we both showered (separately, as seems to be the fashion in the Phils) and then on the bed she pulled off her towel. Disappointingly her boobs were fake and, as a result, her nipples completely unresponsive. She kissed half-heartedly and despite a good blowjob, the sex was disappointingly mechanical. She wasn't quite the tiger in the bedroom I expected.

Even worse, just an hour after entering the room, she asked whether she could go home (more likely go back to work, I thought). This girl was popular, no doubt about it, guys like me lured in by those big tits of hers. In many ways she reminded me of a prostitute from Amsterdam's Red Light District - unaffectionate, mechanical and a clock-watcher. Although I was disappointed by her lack of enthusiasm and early departure, 1500 pesos for a blowjob and sex with a 21 year old porn-star lookalike, is still not bad. Put it this way, back in England I'd shag her every week if the price was just twenty quid a pop.
Thanks for the great reports. I just got back from nine days in Subic and AC and talking to a manager working with Dirty Duck girls (Dirty Duck still closed, but girls working in other bars) they are turning up to "3" short times a night:(

During my trip I tabled two cuties and when I asked them to go, both said ST only, so I guess he is correct.

Robb

Rubio Tonto
10-15-10, 23:08
Thanks for the great reports. I just got back from nine days in Subic and AC and talking to a manager working with Dirty Duck girls (Dirty Duck still closed, but girls working in other bars) they are turning up to "3" short times a night:(

During my trip I tabled two cuties and when I asked them to go, both said ST only, so I guess he is correct.

RobbOpen but with new management. The former manager responsible for creating the Duck's amazing atmosphere before the crackdown is now Golden Nile's manager. GN has a very high quality lineup now.

Naked Gunz
10-16-10, 04:19
DAY 19: Angeles

After we finished, we lay next to each other chatting. Apparently her salary is just 150 pesos per night, plus p50 for each lady-drink. She was upset because Coyote Ugly had fined her 300 pesos for not being able to work at the weekend - but it was the only time she could go to see her kids (who of course she was supporting by working in the gogo bar). It's a tough life for these girls. If a girl satisfies you, tip generously.How can you tell if these girls are lying? Their lips are moving and ur cocks not in the mouth! Just got back from Subic.

Dont believe a word they say, and even if it's true U can't save the world. Only tip for good service, not a good story. There are far to many good guys sending hard earned dollars to these broads because they buy this crap. Like most 3rd world countries, they need condoms passed out -not sympathy. It amazes me how they screw with no protection.

But I have seen your pics and you have great taste in women SL!!

Go YANKEES

Matius
10-16-10, 05:55
Dear folks,

I read already alot in different forums but I may still have one or two questions. I will be in angeles again this year (this after a break of 13years). I choosed to book the ABC and I will be there around mid of dec. After research I did I decided to book the fly with Cebu (even I read also some negative reports about Cebu. Anyway). Now my question. The arrival time in Cebu is around 4am the morning (coming from BKK). How to be sure to get a "serious" taxi driver? And to the guys who already booked at ABC. I know tht they provide a pick up service for free. Do they pick you up also at 4am the morning? Thanks in advance for your help.

P.S. I pretty sure that I wll make some pictures who I wll post in the photo section.If you are a guest at the ABC they will send a driver to pick you up at 4 am. If you are arriving at Clark, the service is free, but you should tip the driver a few hundred peso. If you are arriving in Manila, ABC can also arrange a car for you, but you have to pay for it. Email reception at ABC for details and they can also arrange your pickup in either location. I would not even mess with a taxi if arriving at Clark, given the ABC service, they will just try to rip you off. In Manila they have a taxi stand and they quote a standard rate, which by my memory is cheaper than the ABC rate, but at 4 AM in the morning, don't know the number of taxi they will have waiting around.

Fast Eddie 48
10-16-10, 06:01
How can you tell if these girls are lying? Their lips are moving and ur cocks not in the mouth! Just got back from Subic.

Dont believe a word they say, and even if it's true U can't save the world. Only tip for good service, not a good story. There are far to many good guys sending hard earned dollars to these broads because they buy this crap. Like most 3rd world countries, they need condoms passed out -not sympathy. It amazes me how they screw with no protection.

But I have seen your pics and you have great taste in women SL!!

Go YANKEESNaked Gunz,

I think the girl is telling the true most of this girl do have a tough life ,it is the true 70% of the people in PI live in proverty, girl in China are the best liar in the world ,so I will help them out by offer a small tip the next morning is the service is good.

Yankee sucks go Giants

Fast eddie 48

Red Kilt
10-16-10, 06:52
................ In Manila they have a taxi stand and they quote a standard rate, which by my memory is cheaper than the ABC rate, but at 4 AM in the morning, don't know the number of taxi they will have waiting around.There are many more taxis available in Manila between 12 midnight and 6 am than there are during the day. No worries at all about taxis being available at any time in Manila, especially if planes are arriving or departing.

Sid70
10-16-10, 08:16
I think he meant clark airport in AC.Wrong typing.

Yes, I meant Clark.

Sorry guys

Koolshot737
10-16-10, 16:54
Thanks MD.

Regards,
KOOL

MauiDude
10-17-10, 16:00
The taxi services are always available.

Just be careful of the rip offs. But if you catch it from the airport you have less risk but pay more.

Like at clark they last raised for a car 500 pesos from clark airport to wild orchid hotel. That is expensive but still cheap compared to USA prices.My own quote in response to taxis at Clark.

Ok I got complacent and the driver ripped me off. Its easy to get taken here if you are too nice or not paying attention.

The right price for taxi from clark to angeles area of fields is 300 pesos.

I had forgotten the price and asked the driver and he told me 500. I had come from cebu and was tired and just thought okay they really raised the price.

Came in last night from Bangkok and I checked the booth first.

It is 300 pesos.

Rob Raxcal
10-18-10, 14:11
Hey,

I have read all these reports about guys getting a girl to do anal and I would like to know what your strategy is. Do you ask her in the bar? Do you just kind of wait till you take back and try? Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks

WestCoast1
10-19-10, 04:10
Hey,

I have read all these reports about guys getting a girl to do anal and I would like to know what your strategy is. Do you ask her in the bar? Do you just kind of wait till you take back and try? Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks
Two schools of thought. First school: don't mention naughty stuff in the bar. Just see how it goes once you get to the room. Hope for the best. If she doesn't want to do something you like, live with it, and try another tomorrow evening. Have another beer.

Second school: Right there in the bar, discretely, in her ear tell her EVERYTHING you expect to happen in the room for the night, including the time you expect her to stay until. She will either agree to go with you, or she will tell you she can't do a certain thing you mentioned. Make a decision right there whether or not to take her. Thank her for her time if she can't do it. This is not necessarily bad news, as many girls will point out other girls in the bar who are willing to do exactly what you want. "You see that girl there sir? The short one on the end there. She glad to it; she need a barfine. Also that one over there she always like *@#$." I am in the second school of thought. I can relay to her everything I expect in under 10 seconds, and the majority of girls hit right away. Some gents see this as too business-like, not romantic.

Either way, have another beer.

WestCoast1
10-19-10, 04:20
Rob Raxcal, I tried to PM you, but couldn't.

X Man
10-19-10, 14:03
An excellent summary of the two major schools of thought regarding Advanced debauchery.

When I hear you guys sharing tidbits about your anal adventures, I inexplicably think back to a Hustler magazine cartoon from about 30 years ago.

A young couple is at the door of her home, about to go on their first date. Naturally the gal is drawn sexy, with tits busting out of a halter top. Her Daddy is a good 'ol boy. He's standing there with a beer in his and, two days growth of beard, disheveled clothing, etc.

He looks his daughter in the eyes and admonishes, "Remember, no butt fukkin' on the first date."


Two schools of thought. First school: don't mention naughty stuff in the bar. Just see how it goes once you get to the room. Hope for the best. If she doesn't want to do something you like, live with it, and try another tomorrow evening. Have another beer.

Second school: Right there in the bar, discretely, in her ear tell her EVERYTHING you expect to happen in the room for the night, including the time you expect her to stay until. She will either agree to go with you, or she will tell you she can't do a certain thing you mentioned. Make a decision right there whether or not to take her. Thank her for her time if she can't do it. This is not necessarily bad news, as many girls will point out other girls in the bar who are willing to do exactly what you want. "You see that girl there sir? The short one on the end there. She glad to it; she need a barfine. Also that one over there she always like *@#$." I am in the second school of thought. I can relay to her everything I expect in under 10 seconds, and the majority of girls hit right away. Some gents see this as too business-like, not romantic.

Either way, have another beer.

Rob Raxcal
10-19-10, 14:17
Thanks for the advice. I guess I will try both methods and see what works. As I am new here, I am not sure why you could not PM me. Maybe I don't know to properly navigate this site yet.

I have not been to Angeles yet (first time in Philippines in Oct) but I am coming back in Dec and will probably avoid Manila and go to Angeles then Subic.

In order to give back to this site, I have added a trip report to the Cebu and Manila section. Give it a look and thanks again. Any more suggestions always appreciated.


Rob Raxcal, I tried to PM you, but couldn't.

Wicked Roger
10-19-10, 16:26
Two schools of thought. First school: don't mention naughty stuff in the bar. Just see how it goes once you get to the room. Hope for the best. If she doesn't want to do something you like, live with it, and try another tomorrow evening. Have another beer.

Second school: Right there in the bar, discretely, in her ear tell her EVERYTHING you expect to happen in the room for the night, including the time you expect her to stay until. She will either agree to go with you, or she will tell you she can't do a certain thing you mentioned. Make a decision right there whether or not to take her. Thank her for her time if she can't do it. This is not necessarily bad news, as many girls will point out other girls in the bar who are willing to do exactly what you want. "You see that girl there sir? The short one on the end there. She glad to it; she need a barfine. Also that one over there she always like *@#$." I am in the second school of thought. I can relay to her everything I expect in under 10 seconds, and the majority of girls hit right away. Some gents see this as too business-like, not romantic.

Either way, have another beer.
I agree WC, am in the second school.

Try ask her about Greek in Tagalog or Cebuano...know the words for "I want your backside" sometimes it does impress that you know and shows intent. I know plenty of naughty words and I say this at times and they get the message and if not as naughty as you then likely there is a girl who is that naughty and they know/introduce.

Had many a girl say I cant be that naughty but I have a friend...it can work wonders as friend gets down and dirty and if the non naughty is watching she may just join in :)

They can always say no and it is their choice IMHO so grab another beer and find another. In AC it must be so easy to find another :D

Mc Don
10-19-10, 16:55
If you are a guest at the ABC they will send a driver to pick you up at 4 am. If you are arriving at Clark, the service is free, but you should tip the driver a few hundred peso. If you are arriving in Manila, ABC can also arrange a car for you, but you have to pay for it. Email reception at ABC for details and they can also arrange your pickup in either location. I would not even mess with a taxi if arriving at Clark, given the ABC service, they will just try to rip you off. In Manila they have a taxi stand and they quote a standard rate, which by my memory is cheaper than the ABC rate, but at 4 AM in the morning, don't know the number of taxi they will have waiting around.


I have stayed at the ABC over dozen times and they have always picked me up from Clark or Manila. Never had an issue with their service, I usually email them a day in advance to remind them. Tell them your flight number as they can check when does the plane land in case of delays to send in a driver. Worst case scenario just call the reception once you lend and they should have a car to pick you up within minutes.

Amjeck
10-19-10, 17:40
Two schools of thought. First school: don't mention naughty stuff in the bar. Just see how it goes once you get to the room. Hope for the best. If she doesn't want to do something you like, live with it, and try another tomorrow evening. Have another beer.

Second school: Right there in the bar, discretely, in her ear tell her EVERYTHING you expect to happen in the room for the night, including the time you expect her to stay until. She will either agree to go with you, or she will tell you she can't do a certain thing you mentioned. Make a decision right there whether or not to take her. Thank her for her time if she can't do it. This is not necessarily bad news, as many girls will point out other girls in the bar who are willing to do exactly what you want. "You see that girl there sir? The short one on the end there. She glad to it; she need a barfine. Also that one over there she always like *@#$." I am in the second school of thought. I can relay to her everything I expect in under 10 seconds, and the majority of girls hit right away. Some gents see this as too business-like, not romantic.

Either way, have another beer.
Second school all the way! Romance? They are pros and we pay them money. Would you buy a computer without asking questions to the sales agent as to: what it does, how much memory it has, what software is on it, etc. ?

Now, if it's a freebie from the mall, then it's First school obviously.

Freezone
10-20-10, 03:29
AC is currently in the middle of the affects of Tyhoon Juan, massive storm that is not moving at all just off the coast of northern PI.

Heavy heavy blinding rain and gust of wind all day and night for the last 2 days . Storm is not expected to leave until tonight but now some say it may make a U-turn and return back to PI again in the next day or 2. Something about 2 low pressure in China will push the Typhoon back again.

Bars are affected along with some hotels as the storm had taken out the power most of the day and into the night.

Ha, it was difficult to choose my chicks as some of the bars were only using candles for light, beers were warm (no refrig working) and no AC working. I was tempted to bring my flashlight to shine it on the chicks to see what they really look like but decided this was not polite. Upside is that since some of the bars are totally in the dark it was easy to sit there and feel up the chicks as they play with my dick--so not all is lost.

Cheers and beers,

FZ

Freezone
10-20-10, 03:35
Even though I am not a real anal man, thought I give it a go since I'm here.
I asked the waitress and all she did was laugh and said something like "why you want to do ass, so dirty. Pussy cleaner". I just said I just want to give it a try. She point out only 1 chick on stage (butt ugly and fat) and I said "No thanks", not sure if waitress did this on purpose to have a little fun on my part. Then I ask the waitress if she was available, she said don't want to go with me as she was afraid I try to anal her in middle of night.

FZ

Freezone
10-20-10, 03:47
Not sure if the current slow down at the bars due to Typhoon weather and flooded streets and the down economy have affected the way bars are operating. Last time I was here, there was rarely any pressure for my drinks or LD but now I can't even walk into a bar just to scout the talent and then try to walk out if I didn't see any I like, some have stopped me and said I need to order a drink? --just to take a look? I usually ignore that request and just be polite and said I will be back later, but upon walking out I can hear them talking about me in Talago and even as I don't understand it, the tone was very very negative.

FZ

Ekspat
10-20-10, 08:37
AC is currently in the middle of the affects of Tyhoon Juan,
Isn't it Megi? Can't see anything of Juan.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/wp201015.html

Enjoy!
Cheers!

Red Kilt
10-20-10, 08:45
Isn't it Megi? Can't see anything of Juan.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/wp201015.html

Enjoy!
Cheers!

The Philippines gives all typhoons their own designated names once they reach Phils territorial waters.
They are named alphabetically year by year.

So Typhoon Juan (aka Megi) is the 10th typhoon in the Phils this year (J = 10th letter of alphabet).

BTW - PAGASA has spotted another big weather disturbance 1500 kms off the coast to follow on from Juan.
There is concern that if this new typhoon happened to combine with Juan (currently stationary off the NW coast) then there could be "considerable disruption to all mongering and other activity"

Nvslim
10-20-10, 11:44
Second school: Right there in the bar, discretely, in her ear tell her EVERYTHING you expect to happen in the room for the night, including the time you expect her to stay until.



Back in the mid-80's, I was in the 3rd Eye Disco (off Perimeter Road, near where Lewis Grand is now) chatting up a SYT and we had agreed she would come back to my hotel for a small fee for ST. The music was so loud we were practically yelling at each other. Just as I said "I want you to suck my dick" the song ended and so did the negotiations.

I am not sure who was more embarrassed her or me.

Slim

WestCoast1
10-21-10, 03:23
The music was so loud we were practically yelling at each other. Just as I said "I want you to suck my dick" the song ended and so did the negotiations.

I am not sure who was more embarrassed her or me.

Slim
Discretely!
:)

Freezone
10-21-10, 03:54
Isn't it Megi? Can't see anything of Juan.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/wp201015.html

Enjoy!

Cheers!Yeah, I was confuse at 1st but Typhoon Juan and Megi are both the same.

I think the international designation is "Megi" but some reports on the local TV in AC still refer to it as "Juan"--so go figure.

Cheers and beers

FZ

Freezone
10-21-10, 04:03
).

BTW - PAGASA has spotted another big weather disturbance 1500 kms off the coast to follow on from Juan.

There is concern that if this new typhoon happened to combine with Juan (currently stationary off the NW coast) then there could be "considerable disruption to all mongering and other activity"Well, that's just about the worst news I want to hear now as I'm sitting in AC watching the downpour and flooded streets. Just wanted Juan=Megi to leave me in peace but now possible 2 Typhoons to combine? I mean that just sucks as Juan is already a Super massive Typhoon all by itself and the storm is so huge that AC has been affected for the last 3-4 days with no end in sight.

Walking thru flooded streets and having blackouts here is NOT what I say is a good time.

FZ

Freezone
10-21-10, 04:20
Went into Lost in Asia last night and picked up a tiny little thing. She made eye contact and all smiles as she greeted me upon entering. She was cute enough although on the skinny side.

Played a round of pool with her and ask her all the usual questions, Have family=baby, have period, have a clinic appt, cherry girl, BJ, stay all night until 10am etc etc.

Well back to hotel and she was very responsive with me but then refused to do BJ- said she don't like it as it hurts her mouth????-- not what she said at the bar when I asked her.

Did one round, went to take a shower and when I came out she was all dressed. Said she had to go back to bar and collect her "things" and will return in 1 hr. Yeah, I heard that before and realize she is a runner with a broken promise. She even had the nerve to ask for a tip=trike money back to the bar. I simple gave her 7p for a jeepney and told her I will give her trike money and possible tip if she decides to return (which I know from before that she will not).

So, my 1st runner in AC. Picked up 3 chicks so far in AC , so odds are 1 in 3 for a runner even when all the proper questions are asked and remember she picked me out at the bar and not the other way around.

Had thought about going back to bar and complain about it just to get it off my chest.

FZ

Matius
10-21-10, 06:57
Even though I am not a real anal man, thought I give it a go since I'm here.
I asked the waitress and all she did was laugh and said something like "why you want to do ass, so dirty. Pussy cleaner". I just said I just want to give it a try. She point out only 1 chick on stage (butt ugly and fat) and I said "No thanks", not sure if waitress did this on purpose to have a little fun on my part. Then I ask the waitress if she was available, she said don't want to go with me as she was afraid I try to anal her in middle of night.

FZ
Just some advice on getting a three holer. Even though some (not all) the girls will do anal, the other girls make fun of them. Announcing it to a waitress may not work, as it seems you experienced. Generally the mamasan will know what their girls will do, suggest you set yourself up for success. Buy the mamasan a couple of drinks, ask her some discrete questions, your chance of success will be better.

Further, some bars are better than others. Not to say three holers don't exist there, but your chances are better at the bars on perimeter, side streets of fields, or less popular bars on the main street of fields. The big show bars and the more popular smaller bars may not make the effort to accomodate you. Generally it will be an older girl or more experienced girl that will be a three holer.

The Typhoons and the rain comes and goes here. But still a huge number of bars with generators and going strong. Get an umbrella, put your shorts and flip flops on and don't worry about the rain, its dry inside the clubs.

Red Kilt
10-21-10, 08:05
Yeah, I was confuse at 1st but Typhoon Juan and Megi are both the same.

I think the international designation is "Megi" but some reports on the local TV in AC still refer to it as "Juan"--so go figure.

Cheers and beers

FZ

FZ

If you bothered to RTFF and just 3 posts earlier to your post (#6978) you would have seen the very clear and logical explanation that I put there.
No confusion at all for those of us who live here.

Red Kilt
10-21-10, 08:44
Well, that's just about the worst news I want to hear now as I'm sitting in AC watching the downpour and flooded streets. Just wanted Juan=Megi to leave me in peace but now possible 2 Typhoons to combine? I mean that just sucks as Juan is already a Super massive Typhoon all by itself and the storm is so huge that AC has been affected for the last 3-4 days with no end in sight.

Walking thru flooded streets and having blackouts here is NOT what I say is a good time.

FZ

Here's the update FZ

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/gma/20101021/tph-pagasa-cyclone-that-could-be-as-powe-d6cd5cf.html

Cunning Stunt
10-21-10, 10:15
A recent line that I wrote elsewhere, reminded me of an old joke which might cheer up those poor, typhoon battered Angelitos.

One-eyed monger in Angeles loses his glass eye. So he goes to Ace hardware to see if he can get a replacement. All out of glass eyes, he is told, but we have a wooden one. This will have to do until I get home, he thinks, and buys one.

That night, on his usual bar crawl, he is very self conscious about his wooden eye. So he finds the skuzziest bar on Burgos which only employs washed-up bargirls and freaks. Great, he thinks, I won’t feel out of place here.

He asks Mamasan to recommend the freakiest girl in the place. So she brings over a girl who has a really hot body and face, except that her mouth is deformed. It is just a vertical slit down her face. He thinks, ‘well I can live with that’, and so he buys her a drink and they chat and get on great.

Wow, she will do for me, he thinks, so he asks her if she would like to come back to his hotel.

‘Ooh, would I’ she says.

‘Fuck off then, c**t face’, he replies.

Uncle Goober
10-21-10, 12:14
Guys,

Serious question.

I want to drive from Manila to AC tomorrow (Friday) afternoon. I presently am in HK, but flying to Manila tonight.

How bad is the flooding? Will I be able to get from Manila to AC easily?

Cheers

Rubio Tonto
10-21-10, 21:26
Has the new storm curving to the north long before it reaches the Phils.
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/

Ezinho
10-22-10, 05:45
Well back to hotel and she was very responsive with me but then refused to do BJ- said she don't like it as it hurts her mouth????-- not what she said at the bar when I asked her.

I wouldn't say your experience is all that abnormal, to be honest. It seems like many of the younger girls (18/19 especially) either do not like to suck dick, or in some instances, just refuse to suck dick. And it doesn't have anything to do with the specific bar. You can probably find a girl like that in any of the bars in this town.

Hey,

I have read all these reports about guys getting a girl to do anal and I would like to know what your strategy is. Do you ask her in the bar? Do you just kind of wait till you take back and try? Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks
I would recommend asking in the bar. These girls like to pretend they're not hookers, but they are. Never forget that.

You might want to check out Niftys and Rio Club out on a small side street of Perimeter. Most of the girls in these clubs seem to be three holers; *they* offered me anal. The quality in these bars is low, but there are a couple decent ones. Barfine is 1200 PHP.

Also, one of my fucklets does anal. She's 25, so older than I like, but she looks pretty good, better than anything in Rios or Niftys. PM me if you're interested.

Phantomtiger2
10-22-10, 07:03
Guys,

Serious question.

I want to drive from Manila to AC tomorrow (Friday) afternoon. I presently am in HK, but flying to Manila tonight.

How bad is the flooding? Will I be able to get from Manila to AC easily?

Cheers

From what I read, the weather should be ok for Friday travel as its just passing showers. The threat of severe weather is possible on Sunday, but by that time you should be in AC.

PT

Freezone
10-22-10, 07:13
FZ

If you bothered to RTFF and just 3 posts earlier to your post (#6978) you would have seen the very clear and logical explanation that I put there.
No confusion at all for those of us who live here.Hi Red Kilt.

I did read all the previous post but as you can see from my original post, I was just answering a post from fellow member Ekspat as he was confused by the different names. I was just pointing out that I was initially confused myself as I had thought it was 2 different storms but finally figured out it was not. Only making fun of the fact that only PI will do something different with storm names.

Cheers and beers.

FZ

Freezone
10-22-10, 07:15
Went into Lost in Asia last night and picked up a tiny little thing. She made eye contact and all smiles as she greeted me upon entering. She was cute enough although on the skinny side.

Played a round of pool with her and ask her all the usual questions, Have family=baby, have period, have a clinic appt, cherry girl, BJ, stay all night until 10am etc etc.

Well back to hotel and she was very responsive with me but then refused to do BJ- said she don't like it as it hurts her mouth????-- not what she said at the bar when I asked her.

Did one round, went to take a shower and when I came out she was all dressed. Said she had to go back to bar and collect her "things" and will return in 1 hr. Yeah, I heard that before and realize she is a runner with a broken promise. She even had the nerve to ask for a tip=trike money back to the bar. I simple gave her 7p for a jeepney and told her I will give her trike money and possible tip if she decides to return (which I know from before that she will not).

So, my 1st runner in AC. Picked up 3 chicks so far in AC , so odds are 1 in 3 for a runner even when all the proper questions are asked and remember she picked me out at the bar and not the other way around.

Had thought about going back to bar and complain about it just to get it off my chest.

FZForgot to mention the Runner chicks name was Hyeun (pronounced almost like Hazel), can't miss her as she is the skinniest one at the bar with no tits and no ass.

FZ

Cunning Stunt
10-22-10, 09:01
The threat of severe weather is possible on Sunday, but by that time you should be in AC.


Just in time for the liquor ban Sunday/Monday so you won't be able to drown your sorrows - just drown:(.

Is the ban strictly enforced in Angeles bars and do many of them close? Anyone in Angeles recall from the last ban which was during the national elections in May.

Freezone
10-22-10, 15:06
Another field report.

Yeah, finally a day with no rain in AC (no sun either but at least no rain)

Went to Perimeter 1st today, and went all the freakin way out to Friendship just to see what was out there and went into Jolly Frogs. It was 5pm and I was the only one there. Place was dead. Saw 1-2 cute ones so decided to stay for a beer despite the place not having AC on. Pointed to one chick to come down from the stage and join me. Bought her a LD and talked for about 10min (the usual BS-where I'm from and where she's from etc etc)

Developed an interest in her (name is Marie) and ask to BF her. Mama came over and said no chicks can go out with customers? I said WTF is going on. I heard some bars can't technically BF a chick so figure it might be one of those bars that have to buy like 10 LDs to make up a BF and again she said No. Can't take out any chicks here. Could only sit at bar and talk to them.

Hell, I'm not paying just to talk so walked out.

I'd always heard Jollys could BF but guess they changed their rules due to the recent crackdown. Too bad as I said, there were a few cuties there.

FZ

Datebayo
10-22-10, 20:03
I'm planning my first trip to the philipines, and I can't quite find flight informations on google.

Which airlines has flights from bangkok to angeles city, or any airport that is close to?

Mackin
10-22-10, 21:14
There are flights fom BKK to manila. Try air asia but they will take all day t o get there. You can usually book a flight once in BKK as long as you are there a day or 2.

Lopkx
10-22-10, 23:27
I am looking to rent a furnished apartment in AC for 1 or 2 months in early 2011. 1 or 2 bedrooms, good neighborhood, security, nice, kitchen, etc. Can you all provide some advice and direction? Thanks

Lopkx
10-22-10, 23:31
I'm planning my first trip to the philipines, and I can't quite find flight informations on google.

Which airlines has flights from bangkok to angeles city, or any airport that is close to?Typically you would need to land in manila. Then either drive up to AC 2-3 hours or take a flight from Manila to AC using airlines like Cebu Pacific.

Crsea
10-23-10, 01:30
I'm planning my first trip to the philipines, and I can't quite find flight informations on google.

Which airlines has flights from bangkok to angeles city, or any airport that is close to?Google "Cebu Pacific" ... direct flights from Bangkok (BKK) to Angeles City's Clark airport (CRK) ... late night flights only, though. I have booked these flights from USA on-line with no problem.

Philosophery
10-23-10, 02:47
There are flights fom BKK to manila. Try air asia but they will take all day t o get there. You can usually book a flight once in BKK as long as you are there a day or 2.

Cebu Pacific flies from Bangkok to Angeles

Key Master
10-23-10, 06:36
I'm planning my first trip to the philipines, and I can't quite find flight informations on google.

Which airlines has flights from bangkok to angeles city, or any airport that is close to?

Not many flights straight from Bangkok to the airport really really close to Angeles. The airport is Clark, sometimes they say Manila, but with (Clark) in parentheses. It would probably be Cebu Pacific, but I believe flight times are pretty horrid like real late night arriving or returning. You are probably better off saving your time and flying into Manila, with airport code MNL. I would wait and buy the tickets in Thailand though as it should be cheaper than you buying online. Then you have to decide on transport to Angeles. Most newbies get a private car to pick them up. You can find more in this thread about transport, but it will run about 2500 pesos. Most hotels have a service. You'll have more flight options with Manila as the airport. As someone said it may take a couple of hours drive or more. On a good day it's 1 and a half.

Phantomtiger2
10-23-10, 09:45
Report from my last day in Heaven= Angels (Angeles)

Walked out at noon from my hotel and notice something strange, I had to shade my eyes from the Sun? Haven't seen the sun since I got here several days ago, only rain and more rain and clouds.
Went back into my room to try and find the one item I had not used at all, my sunglasses. As soon as I came out with my shades, the sun was gone. Oh well, at least its a start.

Overall, AC is pretty much back to normal in terms of operations and BF. No recent crackdowns or raids, no demands for 10 LD to make up for BF, no having to meet the gal outside the bar to collect BF.
Maybe its back to normal because the past week AC was affected by Typhoon Megi or Juan as some have pointed out is the PI designation for the same storm. Can't see the local police here doing much with all the f**king rain and floods and blackouts. Maybe things will remain the same as before or maybe something else will happen once the stormy season is over. Only time will tell and we will keep all informed as it happens.

Went bar hopping on my last day here. Problem with bar hops is trying to remember which bars had the gals that took to my fancy that I had wanted to return later to BF. After a few bars and a few more beers it all becomes a fuzzy blur. Since it was my last night in AC, I took in as many bars as possible. But before I knew it, it was 2am in the morning and some bars are already closed and others I can't remember if they had the gals I had wanted to BF. So rather than trying to retrace my steps (going all the way back to 6pm), I just said f**k it and went into Skytrax disco. Figure most bars in Perimeter and some from Field with bar closed for the night, I'll see what gals might have wander here.

Paid the cover charge of 140p (includes your 1st drink--but yeah right, like I need that now). Place was hopping at 2:30am with a mix of local kids with their girlfriends, guess there is no age limit to enter as many seem awfully young and the usual FL and a few LBs.
Many of the FL are in groups of 2-3 or more. If they are not attach to any guys then they are usual ok to approach and talk to.
Saw a group of 5 gals dancing with drinks in their hands. Went up to one with a decent body and decent height and decent size tits. Face was not overly pretty but ok, I'd say slightly above average.
Talked the talk to get things started and found out her name was Ann and 18 years old from a province up north about 6 hrs bus ride from AC.
Remember at the disco, DO NOT buy any of the gals a LD as this will be a waste of money as none of the money here ends up with the gal.

3am, I decided to choose Ann as she said have no baby and she claims to give a killer BJ, so left with Ann back to my hotel. She agree on staying until 9am for 1000p.
Back at the hotel, felt a little wobble as the all day bar hopping was sinking in once I sat on the bed. She took a shower and came out. That's when I notice the good size tits I saw at the disco shrank down a few sizes. She was maybe an A+ size at best. Damn those fake enlarger/ push up bras. All is not lost as rest of body was still good. Flat tummy and firm butt with no extra fat. Still a good 18 y/o body for exploring.

In bed, she was very responsive. She only had a half shaven pussy, unlike all the fully shaven pussy I had from all the previous nights. She liked to be Daty and fingered and man was she tight. Barely fit 2 fingers into her. She was wet and her wetness didn't have any odor at all to it. She liked to be french kissed as she was always trying to bite and suck on my lower lip. Didn't spend too much time sucking on her titties as there was not much there to work on.

Now it was her turn to work me over. She started licking my chest and nipples and slowly worked her way down to my dick.
Unlike all my previous BJs, she started from the bottom up rather than from top of dick down, She started with licking my balls then slowly sucking my balls for several mins. By the time she started on the tip of my dick I was harder than concrete. She slowly licked and flicked her tongue around the tip and worked her way down my swollen shaft. Guys, with her around a man do not need Viagra as she is Viagra. Now she starts to deep throat me all the way down to my balls with a great slurp sound as she went. Now heres the great part, while she is deep throating me, she is able to control the very back of her tongue and throat and actually flicking the tip of my dick (which by now is all the way in the back of her throat) all the while riding my entire shaft with her mouth. WOW, what a sensation. She was not lying when she said a "Killer BJ". She could put all the bars on BJ Row on Santos st out of business. Just where an 18y/o learn to do all this is beyond me but all AC gals should attend the same class.
After 10min of non stop intense pleasure BJ, couldn't hold it and blasted a massive load into the back of her throat, guess she was not expecting it as the massive load made her gag and cough.

She was not finished with me and tried to stimulate me again so we could f**k, but I was to spent by now that all I could do was roll over and sleep.

In the morning we both woke up late. It was already 10am and she had to be somewhere by this time. No time for a great BJ and f**k, so just settle on a quick missionary f**k, paid her 1000p and trike fare and off she went.

On hind sight, She said she is from one of the bars but as it was my last day and I was so tired that I couldn't remember which one, I had forgotten to ask her for her number as I could recommend her to any of you guys. About average face for an 18 y/o but what a ride. Ok face-not a beauty but great servcie.
Only wish I could do a repeat with her as I'm headed home.

PT

Datebayo
10-23-10, 23:46
Not many flights straight from Bangkok to the airport really really close to Angeles. The airport is Clark, sometimes they say Manila, but with (Clark) in parentheses. It would probably be Cebu Pacific, but I believe flight times are pretty horrid like real late night arriving or returning. You are probably better off saving your time and flying into Manila, with airport code MNL. I would wait and buy the tickets in Thailand though as it should be cheaper than you buying online. Then you have to decide on transport to Angeles. Most newbies get a private car to pick them up. You can find more in this thread about transport, but it will run about 2500 pesos. Most hotels have a service. You'll have more flight options with Manila as the airport. As someone said it may take a couple of hours drive or more. On a good day it's 1 and a half.Thank you,

I'll be taking manila as the arriving destination then.

So when buying the tickets in thailand, you mean at the suvanumboom airport, at the cebu airlines counter right?

Phantomtiger2
10-24-10, 05:42
Overall, AC is pretty much back to normal in terms of operations and BF. No recent crackdowns or raids, no demands for 10 LD to make up for BF, no having to meet the gal outside the bar to collect BF.



As I slowly recover from my alcohol induced semi coma. I read my own post and notice it needed a correction. If not by me then someone else will eventually come around to do it.

I just remembered several days ago I went to one of my usual bar hopping places called The Body Shop on fields (or actually slightly off fields). I BF one of the gals and I now remember they brought me 10 tiny shot glasses full of pinapple juice. I looked at the waitress and said what's this? She said its the new policy when we BF we pay for drinks. I told the waitress it was not necessary as you know me from all the times I been here before for years and I also said I am the only one at the bar so no one is really looking. She insisted this is now the policy because of the recent crackdowns.
I took a sip and it was not that good so I offered it to all the gals on stage and none wanted it either. Shows you how good this drink is, if it was any good they all would have pushed and shoved to get at it.
Oh well, guess things are not 100% back to normal. Maybe 90% but certainly not 100%. But still its not bad. Just wanted to throw this out there as I had not have the chance to visit every bar on this visit so some other bars may have the same policy. Just wanted all to be aware so not to panic as you could still take gal out but policies may change as how to BF.

Whe time permits, I will write up a FR on The Body Shop bar.

Cheers

PT

Key Master
10-24-10, 10:45
Thank you,

I'll be taking manila as the arriving destination then.

So when buying the tickets in thailand, you mean at the suvanumboom airport, at the cebu airlines counter right?

I was assuming you are going to stay in Thailand for awhile. I'd get quotes from travel agents there wherever you are staying. They'll be a ton of them around if you are in the tourist area. I wouldn't really try to shop at the airport, but I'd be interested to hear if they discount their fares. If you are going to fly to Manila, you have other options like PAL, Thai Airways and maybe another airline or two. The price is better the farther out the date is, but buying a couple days beforehand is possible most of the time.

Not sure if Cebu Pacific flies straight to Manila. They probably either go to Cebu or Clark but at weird times.

Escort Fan
10-24-10, 11:19
Spent another two days in AC.

I haven't been here for almost a year.

Nothing has changed really, forbidden city is finished and open. The sub delicious at the corner of raymond street, has closed. A new joint is being buit there. Wonder why SD closed, it was 24/7 and it was quite a busy place.

AC knows no crisis, I called Friday morning to get a room, I tried ABC and Lewis Grand both were fully booked Pacific Breeze was full as well. Pity.

I ended up at Wild Orchid. I had never been there.

I got a basic room for 3, 900 PHP which is a LOT.

Frankly the room sucked, it's a bit worn out, and the view was on a wall, at the back. So the room was very dark, the wall facing my room was probably one of the condos which are next to WO.

WO is certainly not good value for money; I don't recommend it at all.

The only nice thing there, is the pool side, but then again, the pool sides at ABC & LG are quite nice too.

Yesterday was the gay pride, a big podium was built near kokomo's.

It was quite funny to see all those ladyboys dressed up.

Otherwise fields is same as usual. Quite dirty, quite smelly but I guess entertaining as well.

I only barfined once, at one of the bar at the end of fields. Love & music.

The BF was an outrageous 3K. WTF!

The girl was ok, but nothing spectacular either.

I only BF'ed once.

Overall, I felt quite bored here, especially the weather wasn't great.

Unless you're a fucking machine and can BF 2 or 3 times a day, you easily get bored here.

The bad food doesn't help either. The only descent meal I had (and I say descent nothing more) was at the Amsterdam steak house.

I'm leaving AC with no regrets, going to Macau, a please with great hotels (mandarin oriental here I come), great restaurants (michelin star here I come), and great spa (Rio spa here I come).

Of course things in Macau are a bit more expensive than in AC but you can't compare the quality

I don't think I'll be back here for more than a day or two to catch a flight from Clark.

I find the Manila scene, much better, and in Manila you don't get so bored:)

Elmo99
10-24-10, 12:25
I was assuming you are going to stay in Thailand for awhile. I'd get quotes from travel agents there wherever you are staying. They'll be a ton of them around if you are in the tourist area. I wouldn't really try to shop at the airport, but I'd be interested to hear if they discount their fares. If you are going to fly to Manila, you have other options like PAL, Thai Airways and maybe another airline or two. The price is better the farther out the date is, but buying a couple days beforehand is possible most of the time.

Not sure if Cebu Pacific flies straight to Manila. They probably either go to Cebu or Clark but at weird times.CP flies to Manila daily and Clark frequently. Best prices on Internet, did not see a counter at the airport. Odd times, 0040 in the nigt arriving early morning in Manila.

Blackangst
10-24-10, 21:13
A recent line that I wrote elsewhere, reminded me of an old joke which might cheer up those poor, typhoon battered Angelitos.

One-eyed monger in Angeles loses his glass eye. So he goes to Ace hardware to see if he can get a replacement. All out of glass eyes, he is told, but we have a wooden one. This will have to do until I get home, he thinks, and buys one.

That night, on his usual bar crawl, he is very self conscious about his wooden eye. So he finds the skuzziest bar on Burgos which only employs washed-up bargirls and freaks. Great, he thinks, I won’t feel out of place here.

He asks Mamasan to recommend the freakiest girl in the place. So she brings over a girl who has a really hot body and face, except that her mouth is deformed. It is just a vertical slit down her face. He thinks, ‘well I can live with that’, and so he buys her a drink and they chat and get on great.

Wow, she will do for me, he thinks, so he asks her if she would like to come back to his hotel.

‘Ooh, would I’ she says.

‘Fuck off then, c**t face’, he replies.

HAHA

btw...if he was in Angeles, why would he have to go all the way to Burgos? :p

Edward M
10-25-10, 04:53
from http://angelescity.com/index.php?newsid=413 :

aussie charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of 15 year-old girl
wednesday, october 20



an australian national was charged with the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of a 15-year old girl in angeles city.

the accused, frank drakopulous, 38, is the owner of 12:30 pizza haus at fields avenue in barangay balibago.

the victim, maria (not her real name), is a minor who was employed by drakopulous as a saleslady in 12:30 pizza haus. she was persuaded by a friend, kath, to apply as a waitress at villa hardin, but was hired by the australian as a saleslady in the pizza outlet instead. on september 13 in the evening, maria and kath went to drakopulous' office in clarkview, angeles city. both were convinced by the australian to spend the night over at his office so that it would be easy for them to start their work at 12:30 pizza the next day. maria was allegedly raped by drakopulous during this time.

the victim, however, only reported being molested by her employer on october 13 to police station 4. this was after she stopped working at 12:30 pizza haus on october 4. for the duration of her employment, the victim claimed being continually molested by drakopulous, a fact she kept to herself prior to disclosing all that happened to her parents on october 12.

[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) charges have been filed against drakopulous.

source: sun.star pampanga

Phantomtiger2
10-25-10, 07:10
Spent another two days in AC.

I haven't been here for almost a year.

I only barfined once, at one of the bar at the end of fields. Love & music.

The BF was an outrageous 3K. WTF!

I find the Manila scene, much better, and in Manila you don't get so bored:)


Sorry, as you only BF once, you were unlucky as there are so many bars around but you happen to pick one of the most expensive places for BF and drinks= Love & Music

Manila in general have much more cuties but all that cums with a much higher price tag. We love AC for several reasons but the main one is the price= cheap.

I've been to Macau and as you are comfortable there then I guess you have alot more money than me as I couldn't wait to leave there as it was way way too expensive for me to stay too long. But do agree that the quality of gals is way up there, so maybe you do get what you are willing to pay for.

Cheers
PT

Phantomtiger2
10-25-10, 08:06
went into lost in asia last night and picked up a tiny little thing. she made eye contact and all smiles as she greeted me upon entering. she was cute enough although on the skinny side.

played a round of pool with her and ask her all the usual questions, have family=baby, have period, have a clinic appt, cherry girl, bj, stay all night until 10am etc etc.

well back to hotel and she was very responsive with me but then refused to do bj- said she don't like it as it hurts her mouth????-- not what she said at the bar when i asked her.

did one round, went to take a shower and when i came out she was all dressed. said she had to go back to bar and collect her "things" and will return in 1 hr. yeah, i heard that before and realize she is a runner with a broken promise. she even had the nerve to ask for a tip=trike money back to the bar. i simple gave her 7p for a jeepney and told her i will give her trike money and possible tip if she decides to return (which i know from before that she will not).

so, my 1st runner in ac. picked up 3 chicks so far in ac , so odds are 1 in 3 for a runner even when all the proper questions are asked and remember she picked me out at the bar and not the other way around.

had thought about going back to bar and complain about it just to get it off my chest.

fz


imo: the answer to your last line is a definite "hell yes"

as i just return from ac i would like to tell you that your experience is not uncommon and will get worse if all of us kept our mouths shut.

this is what happen to me. almost all of what you post were similar to mine. walked in a bar in perimeter also, named roadies bar (way out at other end of perimeter) and by coincidence, right next to the one you went into -lost in asia , where you got your runner.
walked in and sat down and order a beer. all the gals didn't make any attempts at eye contact or smiles, pretty much ignore me as i sat there. then i turn to the end of stage and notice a chubby gal kept smiling at me. not the greatest in terms or looks but the one thing i kept looking at was her racks, seems like a nice set of tits. she pointed at me to ask her out so i did.
sitting next to me she immediately put her hands on my dick-- a good sign indeed, so how could i refuse to buy her a ld.
her english sucks but did manage to learn her name was melia or something like that , a 20 y/o with no babies from mindinao (not sure of the spelling but its the muslim province down south with all the bombing).
she agree to suck suck and boom boom until tomorrow morning 10am.
told the mamasan the agreement we had just made as her english was poor so don't want any misinterpretations.
paid the bf= 1200p and away we went (this was about 7pm), back in hotel the whole attitude starting changing and i notice the downhill decline right away. out came her cellphone and started calling everyone in the world. when i told her to stop and start paying attention to me, she put down her phone. we got undress and got showered. got into bed and told her to suck suck --the same way she said it at the bar, and she said condom. i said no condom for bj but will use for boom boom. all i got was a lame dick licking for about a minute and two. she sat there on my chest and said condom. i said ok but after i play a little with her tor**** size tits. very very large dark nipples (not to my liking) but overall size must be d+. like i said, hanging in front of her chest looked like 2 tor****s.
put on condom and she started to cowboy me for a few minutes and said "finished"???? i said wtf, i didn't even cum yet. she kept saying for me to finish. ok so i did her missionary and by now the mood was dead and so was my shaft. couldn't cum if i took a bottle full of vitamin v.

she ran into the shower and came out dress saying have to go home to do laundry?? i said no way as i bf you for the night, then she made another excuse about having to see her sister, i said what kinda bs is that as you told me your family is still in mindinao?? she said i finish and go home to do laundry.

so from past experiences, i will not even debate the issue anymore. if i forced her to keep her agreement and stay until tomorrow, i will be the one that will suffer as she b*tches and whine all nite (like a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off wife) or just talk or text on cellphone etc. anyway, i'm here on vacation and not to be in a bad mood with a b*tch.

i let her go and went to take a shower, then got dressed and walk to take a jeepney back to roadies bar. i walked in and ask for the mamasan. she came over and i told her exactly what happened and she couldn't believe it (all about the leaving to see sister, doing laundry etc etc) . she said this had never happen to this gal before and i now believe she pulls this off all the time but because nobody had complain before she kept on doing it because she can't get caught.
just then melia (or at least thats what i remember) came in and was totally shocked to see me there with the mama. she started telling the mama in tagalo and then mama told me she didn't stay because i refuse to use a condom??? i told her i used condom but she refuse to finish after only a few minutes. melia started talking some more but i interupt and said anything that comes out of her mouth is pure bs.
by now mama said to me (honestly) that there can be no refund as i had already had sex with the gal (didn't matter if i actually cum or not) but she is now on notice as to the scam and will dock the gal the bf money, meaning mama keeps the money instead. oh well, better her than the b*tch.

so bottom line is that had i not brought this to the mamasan attention the next poor guy that cums along will be zapped also. so, even if you don't get a refund or a free drink at the bar, do everybody else that comes along in the future a favor and go back and report bad behavior or runners.

i know some of you can't be bother with reporting back with runners or bad behaviors but all i can say is this for comparison.
if you went out and bought a cell phone and all the features were promised to you for the phone and you paid and got home only to find it didn't work or not all the features were on the phone, do you simply ignore it or do you go back to store to complain so the store can't get away with scams. its as simple as that.

just from my experiences and hopefully to keep all you guys from being scam in the future and by all of us being pro-active and responsive to any scams.

cheers

pt

Red Kilt
10-25-10, 09:11
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Paid the BF= 1200p and away we went (this was about 7pm), back in hotel the whole attitude starting changing and I notice the downhill decline right away. ........................................I let her go and went to take a shower, then got dressed and walk to take a jeepney back to Roadies Bar. I walked in and ask for the mamasan.


I sincerely hope that you never paid any tip on top of the bf.
I hope all guys learn from this post.
Don't let them get away with straight-out bullshit like this.
So much for laundry - she just wanted to go back and earn more bfs.

FurryFriend
10-25-10, 09:23
Just from my experiences and hopefully to keep all you guys from being scam in the future and by all of us being pro-active and responsive to any scams.


I'm surprised this happened in a Perimeter bar.

I commend you for returning to the bar to complain. If all guys did this, yes, it will reduce the bad attitudes.

But realistically, for every one of you, there are hundreds of guys who just let it slide. As such, what you did has no impact on the overall performance on Fields.

We got to be practical here. This is one reason why I disagree with all this hysteria about overtipping.

If the girl thinks she'll get a nice tip at the end (P1000), it will reduce the chances of her being a runner. I will tell her that if she does well, I'll give that amount. If not, she gets zero and I return to the bar to complain. Say it nicely, of course, during the negotiations in the bar. It all then boils down to a cold calculation in economics for her, which is the ultimate incentive.

Some of you will disagree, that the best way is to use force or threats. Fine. But even if she acquieses, her performance will likely be lousy. I'm someone who prefers to pay more for better service.

I know some of you will be aghast at me suggesting to tip so highly. But we just got to be practical. For me, P1000 ($20) is nothing for an entire night of company. For that small amount, it saves me from having the headache of dealing with a runner or someone with bad attitude. I just suck it up as a cost of mongering.

Rubberyman
10-25-10, 10:32
If the girl thinks she'll get a nice tip at the end (P1000), it will reduce the chances of her being a runner. I will tell her that if she does well, I'll give that amount. If not, she gets zero and I return to the bar to complain. Say it nicely, of course, during the negotiations in the bar. It all then boils down to a cold calculation in economics for her, which is the ultimate incentive.

Some of you will disagree, that the best way is to use force or threats. Fine. But even if she acquieses, her performance will likely be lousy. I'm someone who prefers to pay more for better service.

I know some of you will be aghast at me suggesting to tip so highly. But we just got to be practical. For me, P1000 ($20) is nothing for an entire night of company. For that small amount, it saves me from having the headache of dealing with a runner or someone with bad attitude. I just suck it up as a cost of mongering.

This is a version of the prisoners' dilemma.

If you pay a 1000 Piso tip and no-one else does, then you will generally sometimes maybe get a better service than anyone else.

If however, others decide to do the same, then your 1000 Piso tip becomes the norm and you get no advantage whatever and you have to make it 2000 Piso...and so it goes.

You actually win in the prisoner's dilemma if you double cross - but the other person does not join in. Ie you get to continue the advantages (if any) of that size tip, but others do not because they do not tip.

The best strategy in that game is not to let on what you are doing. (Quite apart from any flames you might get - who cares about that fercrissake - if others start doing it, you have to up the tip until it does start to hurt the players in the game).

Personally, I dunno that paying that amount actually does ensure better service. I tip very very little relative to that, but have only had one or two runners in many many years of going to PI and Thailand. And I am fat balding and over fifty, and like 'interesting stuff'. ;)

Having said that, I have observed that some people actually tip because it makes them feel better about themselves. However, mostly that is because they come from a tipping culture where it is expected, and paying a $20 tip here and seeing a girl gush is a whole lot better than paying double that at home and seeing a sneer. Whatever, it is your money, and you can tip $1000 (That's North Pacific Piso) if you like. You should even get a cherry girl for that sort of $$. :)

Amjeck
10-25-10, 12:08
This is a version of the prisoners' dilemma.

If you pay a 1000 Piso tip and no-one else does, then you will generally sometimes maybe get a better service than anyone else.

If however, others decide to do the same, then your 1000 Piso tip becomes the norm and you get no advantage whatever and you have to make it 2000 Piso...and so it goes.

You actually win in the prisoner's dilemma if you double cross - but the other person does not join in. Ie you get to continue the advantages (if any) of that size tip, but others do not because they do not tip.

The best strategy in that game is not to let on what you are doing. (Quite apart from any flames you might get - who cares about that fercrissake - if others start doing it, you have to up the tip until it does start to hurt the players in the game).

Personally, I dunno that paying that amount actually does ensure better service. I tip very very little relative to that, but have only had one or two runners in many many years of going to PI and Thailand. And I am fat balding and over fifty, and like 'interesting stuff'. ;)

Having said that, I have observed that some people actually tip because it makes them feel better about themselves. However, mostly that is because they come from a tipping culture where it is expected, and paying a $20 tip here and seeing a girl gush is a whole lot better than paying double that at home and seeing a sneer. Whatever, it is your money, and you can tip $1000 (That's North Pacific Piso) if you like. You should even get a cherry girl for that sort of $$. :)

Everybody has their own method to ensure that they get what they want. Some tip big to ensure good service because they think it will incentivize the encounter. Some are just smooth talkers and lie to get what they want. Some are very handsome and don't need to tip at all. Some have no game with women and need to tip big. Whatever the case is, everybody is different and has different tools they use to get what they want.

There is no stopping men from tipping big in AC now. Tipping is very trendy now and I don't see it going away anytime soon.

Hesekiels
10-25-10, 12:13
Second school all the way! Romance? They are pros and we pay them money. Would you buy a computer without asking questions to the sales agent as to: what it does, how much memory it has, what software is on it, etc. ?



Amjeck:

indeed a very interesting comparison! :) About 'romance'. Isn't it exactly the same thing like the so called 'GFE' many guys are referring to? Just wondering!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Sammon
10-25-10, 13:59
IMO: the answer to your last line is a definite "Hell YES"

As I just return from AC I would like to tell you that your experience is not uncommon and will get worse if all of us kept our mouths shut.

This is what happen to me. NOBODY had complain before she kept on doing it because she can't get caught.

By now mama said to me (honestly) that there can be no refund as I had already had sex with the gal (didn't matter if I actually cum or not) but she is now on notice as to the scam and will dock the gal the BF money, meaning mama keeps the money instead. Oh well, better her than the b*tch.

So bottom line is that had I not brought this to the mamasan attention the next poor guy that cums along will be zapped also. So, even if you don't get a refund or a free drink at the bar, do everybody else that comes along in the future a favor and go back and report bad behavior or runners.


Just from my experiences and hopefully to keep all you guys from being scam in the future and by all of us being pro-active and responsive to any scams.

Cheers

PT
Generally there is nothing you can do if the girl runs after one shot. Unless you are very close friends with the mamasan she will not interfere with girl. It is against the law for mamasan to insist that the girl stay and fuck you allnight. You come and go but mamasan does not want bad vibes where she works with all these women who stick together.
Yes, the mamasan will act symphathetic to your situation but believe me there will not be any action taken. Some mamasans if you know them previously will advice who is a runner and who is not. Besides you picked this girl at 7 PM and expected sex all night. Sometimes it is better to take them barhopping and develop some chemistry between you and the girl. I have found this way the girls want to be your friend and will like you and stay.
One time I barfined a young pretty girl from Agasya against the advice of the mamasan there who was my friend. Mamasan clearly told me this girl plays games and runs away after one time or sometimes does not give sex at all saying all sorts of excuses. But the girl looked like a model with the right curves. I took her barhopping and the disco. I never discussed with her anything about what I wanted from her. I knew her reputation and was prepared to end up alone in my bed. In Agasya she acted cold. Just sat there without touching me. I bought her a drink and just ignored her all the while talking to my friend the mamasan. Soon the girl asked the mamasan if I wanted to take her otherwise she go join the dancing line. I said I will take her because she is very pretty. When we went barhopping I could see the change in her attitude from cold to hugging me, touching me, kissing me etc.
Anyway to cut the long story short I ended up with her for three nights till I had to leave. One day we both went to Subic area along with her friend and we had a great time on the beach with jetski etc. When I came back after 6 months she was not working there and was living with an American and pregnant. Give another year she was working at carousel as a waitress. I barfined her at that time for one time but all the passion is gone and so is the body.
So it is hard to say who is cold and who will get warmed up later. I never discuss details at the bar before barfining because it is simply a waste of time. If the girl decides to run or provide bad service there is nothing you can do. I have had my share of runners and so does every monger whether they admit or not.
Fortunately in AC girls are available 24/7.

Jack James
10-25-10, 14:13
Hey guys,

I am back, just landed 12 hours ago.

I'm very single now.

I had the best massage with a very happy ending.

To make sure a girl does not do a runner on you, you must ask her how many times she wants boom boom. I allways tell them 6 times and then they ask me if we can do it 4 times I then tell them its upto you hahaha. Then the best ice breaker is iam here for 3 weeks and iam looking for a companian and they give you the best service. I know it is telling them lies but they are very bolla bolla with us. Try my method and you won't be disappointed. Let me know your results.

Happy hunting

FurryFriend
10-25-10, 14:50
This is a version of the prisoners' dilemma.

If you pay a 1000 Piso tip and no-one else does, then you will generally sometimes maybe get a better service than anyone else.

If however, others decide to do the same, then your 1000 Piso tip becomes the norm and you get no advantage whatever and you have to make it 2000 Piso...and so it goes.



No, this is not like a prisoner's dilemma.

Let's say everybody tips big for good service. Will she then not perform? Of course not. Instead, it sets an expectations on Fields that giving good service means big tips. That's a win-win for everybody.

Let's say you're a professional lawn mower and you sell your services in a rich neighborhood where big tips are the norm. Will you then slack off because all the employers tip well? Or will you still do a good job to get the big tip?

FurryFriend
10-25-10, 14:53
Some are very handsome and don't need to tip at all.

Oh c'mon!

If a girl is a runner, I highly doubt she won't run simply because the guy is good looking.

Running is a way to make money. Staying with a good looking guy isn't gonna get her more money.

ThatGuy865
10-26-10, 02:41
No, this is not like a prisoner's dilemma.

Let's say everybody tips big for good service. Will she then not perform? Of course not. Instead, it sets an expectations on Fields that giving good service means big tips. That's a win-win for everybody.

Let's say you're a professional lawn mower and you sell your services in a rich neighborhood where big tips are the norm. Will you then slack off because all the employers tip well? Or will you still do a good job to get the big tip?where your thinking is wrong.

These girls do NOT have the least bit of business sense. If they did you would not hear about so many guys being turned down. With excuses such as having mens. Or fake cherry girls. If money was truly their ONLY and main motivation. Sure they want to make money. But its obvious by so many making excuses. They are not as money hungry as you perceive them to be.

These girls think on an emotional level. Period. Most are more interested in seeking a guy to marry to take them away. More than even money. 90% of everything they do is based on feelings and emotions.

I never never give a big tip. Mine avg around 300 pesos. And thats for LT. 100 for ST and some times not that. And I have never had a runner. Bad performer. Yes. But runner. Nope.

And I'd say the ones I want to see again will give me repeat service. Once I click with babes I like to see them again. So they know they are not getting a big tip from me, but they still come back.

What I do give them is a good time. Make them laugh. They sleep in a nice air con room, get some jollie bee thrown down their throats. But no dough. No way. A bar fine is plenty money. Especially in a country where 200 pesos is the avg days wage. Shit 1000 pesos is another ST, tip and with change to spare for me.

Minuteman
10-26-10, 03:09
I have RTFF and while I have seen lots of hotel recommendations....I have not seen any recommendation for longer term stays.

I am planning on staying for 2-3 months and I am looking for (a) something a little away from the mongering madness and (b) reasonably priced, hopefully less than 20,000 a month.

Possible? Thanks in advance for any help!

Phantomtiger2
10-26-10, 07:50
Generally there is nothing you can do if the girl runs after one shot. Unless you are very close friends with the mamasan she will not interfere with girl. It is against the law for mamasan to insist that the girl stay and fuck you allnight. You come and go but mamasan does not want bad vibes where she works with all these women who stick together.
Yes, the mamasan will act symphathetic to your situation but believe me there will not be any action taken. Some mamasans if you know them previously will advice who is a runner and who is not. Besides you picked this girl at 7 PM and expected sex all night. Sometimes it is better to take them barhopping and develop some chemistry between you and the girl. .


Although I know what you are saying, but my usual MO is to BF the gal, take back to hotel to sample the goods just bought with my money and one round in bed usually will tell me what she will be like anyway (from experience) and since I'm not a youngster anymore and after 1 round it will take me awhile to recover anyway for Round 2 so that's when we go out, but this time she showed her true colors and glad she did so early. Hate to have gone thru all the barhopping and spending all that extra money and time on her just to have her run on me later. Just my take on the matter.

But my decision to report ALL Runners still stands as they should be made aware we should not be taken in for saps or easy prey (money).--IMO

PT