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Phantomtiger2
10-26-10, 07:56
I sincerely hope that you never paid any tip on top of the bf.
So much for laundry - she just wanted to go back and earn more bfs.
Ha ha, tipping her--no way, in fact I told her straight out she owed me money.
PT
Phantomtiger2
10-26-10, 08:02
I'm surprised this happened in a Perimeter bar.
I commend you for returning to the bar to complain. If all guys did this, yes, it will reduce the bad attitudes.
But realistically, for every one of you, there are hundreds of guys who just let it slide. As such, what you did has no impact on the overall performance on Fields.
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Well, that's the main reason I put up my post for complaining about runners or bad behavoirs to mama or even to the bar owner if he is around.
If more of us become pro active and do the right thing maybe we can start to reduce the chances of runners as I notice in all this time the trend is the runner rates are climbing upwards and not the other way around. So if nothing is done at this rate how many more years before the runner become the norm instead of the exception?--IMO
PT
FurryFriend
10-26-10, 09:39
These girls do NOT have the least bit of business sense. If they did you would not hear about so many guys being turned down. With excuses such as having mens. Or fake cherry girls. If money was truly their ONLY and main motivation. Sure they want to make money. But its obvious by so many making excuses. They are not as money hungry as you perceive them to be.
These girls think on an emotional level. Period. Most are more interested in seeking a guy to marry to take them away. More than even money. 90% of everything they do is based on feelings and emotions.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Money is certainly the primary motive. Only the most naive bargirl would think tourists are visiting Angeles City to seek a wife.
Fact is, the reason so many guys complain about overtipping is because it actually works. If money doesn't monopolize a girl's attention, then people here wouldn't be constantly complaining about rich Korean guys. These guys clearly get the creme of the crop on Fields even though Korean men aren't known to be marrying Filipinas in droves.
If a girl makes excuses about being on mens or a cherry, it's likely she's telling the truth. Although it's mostly about money, the girls do strike me as generally being upfront about what to expect in the sack. How many guys here thought the girl was lying about her mens only to see a pool of blood the next morning on the sheets? And cherry girls? There's a "V" on her tag for everyone to see.
I'm not saying being nice won't improve service. It clearly does. That's why I do both: offer niceness and a cash reward. Clearly, you'd agree that "nice + money" is a better motivator than just "nice".
What I do give them is a good time. Make them laugh. They sleep in a nice air con room, get some jollie bee thrown down their throats. But no dough. No way. A bar fine is plenty money. Especially in a country where 200 pesos is the avg days wage. Shit 1000 pesos is another ST, tip and with change to spare for me.
Well said. I'm like you also. They should feel lucky to be able to get fucked decently, sleep in a nice bed, be fed decent food, and have fun. Why pay them extra on top of that. That of course is the old AC attitude and now it's commercialized with big spenders splashing cash. I'm still old school, though.
Rubberyman
10-26-10, 10:25
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Money is certainly the primary motive. Only the most naive bargirl would think tourists are visiting Angeles City to seek a wife.
Fact is, the reason so many guys complain about overtipping is because it actually works.
I'm not saying being nice won't improve service. It clearly does. That's why I do both: offer niceness and a cash reward. Clearly, you'd agree that "nice + money" is a better motivator than just "nice".
I think there is a major fallacy here. First, there are plenty of reports on these pages which say that performance is hardly related at all to how much one pays.
In fact, the more some girls get, the more likely you get a 'starfish' amongst them. It is just the experience of mongering world wide, not just here, that money paid and service obtained are only loosely connected.
So, many guys don't complain about overtipping because it works - that would be daft. If it DID work, we'd all do it. Most guys complain about overtipping because it DOESN'T work all that well. However, it does raise price expectations.
Having said that, it is your money, tip a thousand North American $piso if you like. If it makes you happy, that's what counts.
Personally I am quite happy getting very very good service for not much more than your tip.
Most guys complain about overtipping because it DOESN'T work all that well. However, it does raise price expectations.
I agree. It really spoils the girls to the point that they say "where's my tip"?
This tipping discussion has been ongoing for sometime. Best thing to do is just accept that today's average monger(especially asian) is spoiling the market. Expect more price rises and expect to see more spoiled girls in the MAJOR p4p scenes in SE Asia. Don't like it? Find another mongering destination! Prices/expectations aren't going to come down to 'good ol day' levels.
Rubberyman
10-26-10, 23:00
I agree. It really spoils the girls to the point that they say "where's my tip"?
This tipping discussion has been ongoing for sometime. Best thing to do is just accept that today's average monger(especially asian) is spoiling the market. Expect more price rises and expect to see more spoiled girls in the MAJOR p4p scenes in SE Asia. Don't like it? Find another mongering destination! Prices/expectations aren't going to come down to 'good ol day' levels.
Hi Amjeck,
I agree with you.
However, I see these boards as a bit like any other consumer forum. Just like other consumer groups check products and often find that price has nothing to do with quality (perfumes for example), some people will still go out and buy the expensive product. Meh.
However, the reward in these forums is that someone who starts off as a monger, or is going to a new destination, can find out information that will save him time and money.
There will always be people who think that by paying twice as much for something they are getting a better product. (Spotlight dancers, perfume, soap powder). That will never change. However, forums like this enable a very swift learning curve for smart consumers so they can avoid the sharks. Those sharks will always catch the slow ones.
Oh, and when you know who overtips, you know who NOT to tell about cheaper destinations and attractive girls who give good service without tips. ;)
ThatGuy865
10-27-10, 03:08
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Money is certainly the primary motive. Only the most naive bargirl would think tourists are visiting Angeles City to seek a wife.
Fact is, the reason so many guys complain about overtipping is because it actually works. If money doesn't monopolize a girl's attention, then people here wouldn't be constantly complaining about rich Korean guys. These guys clearly get the creme of the crop on Fields even though Korean men aren't known to be marrying Filipinas in droves.
If a girl makes excuses about being on mens or a cherry, it's likely she's telling the truth. Although it's mostly about money, the girls do strike me as generally being upfront about what to expect in the sack. How many guys here thought the girl was lying about her mens only to see a pool of blood the next morning on the sheets? And cherry girls? There's a "V" on her tag for everyone to C.
I'm not saying being nice won't improve service. It clearly does. That's why I do both: offer niceness and a cash reward. Clearly, you'd agree that "nice + money" is a better motivator than just "nice".Using your logic. All spotlight dancer should be great fucks. They are already getting paid 3000 pesos. But as we all know they are no better in bed than a 1200 peso girl. So money isn't going to buy you any better service. If the girl likes you she will fuck the shit out of you for a jollie bee #2 and a soft bed. But you keep spending your money. It obviously makes you feel better about yourself. Why not try tipping 300 and see if it changes the situation. If it doesn't then you'll know.
ThatGuy865
10-27-10, 03:39
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Money is certainly the primary motive. Only the most naive bargirl would think tourists are visiting Angeles City to seek a wife.Ff
You obviously have not been going to AC for too long.
I know so many bargirls who have gotten married. Its ridiculous. And yes there are more guys than you realize who go there. Fall in love. Swear they found the one true bargirl who was only there because of hardship and will be a great girlfriend/wife
Second, Id ask how would the girl know how much you were going to tip to determine whether or not she should perform or not. Why would you tell her ahead of time.
If you do then it must be your own insecurity. Which makes you think the only reason a girl would or could give you a good performance is if you dangled the idea of a HUGE tip like a carrot. Because if you don't tell her then she would perform not knowing what the tip was. And I think that is the way most guys operate. Without the carrot. And if you do operate in this manner then your theory is wrong because she performed not knowing what the tip would be.
Key Master
10-27-10, 05:54
I agree. It really spoils the girls to the point that they say "where's my tip"?
Personally for me, in Angeles, I've never had a woman afterwards ask that. I have seen the waitresses frown when I leave if I leave like 5-10 pesos on occasion.
Philosophery
10-27-10, 06:02
Personally for me, in Angeles, I've never had a woman afterwards ask that. I have seen the waitresses frown when I leave if I leave like 5-10 pesos on occasion.
Same here.
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you obviously have not been going to ac for too long.
i know so many bargirls who have gotten married. its ridiculous. and yes there are more guys than you realize who go there. fall in love. swear they found the one true bargirl who was only there because of hardship and will be a great girlfriend/wife
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a lot of guys take girls out of the bars on a regular basis. with few exceptions the unspoken motive seems to be to have the girl all to himself, at a cheaper rate than would be required in paying steady barfines. in most cases, the guy gets bored, the girl gets bored, in any event the girl returns to bar life. another exception is the guy who gives the girl a huge sum of money on a monthly basis, but if a tourist, chances are the girl is then freelancing or sleeping with her filipino boyfriend/girlfriend.
hardship plays a role in a girl entering the bar business. don't care if the girl has been in the bar one week or one year, there is a fundamental difference in a girl that enters the bar life, versus her peer who tuffs it out in the province. a girl who steps foot in the bar has mentally decided that she is going to sell her body to get what she wants. guys who meet that "new" girl in the bar, don't seem to understand that girl has already a mental bent, that may/will become a problem as the relationship develops.
of course if the guy tells her, he is going to pay for this, send her back to school, pay for her housing, etc, she accepts. simply because it is easier work, she only has to sleep with one guy, every couple of months at best. but guys who think they are getting the girl next door are very niave.
the tourists who take the girls out of the bar, are just plain silly. do you really think the young horny girl just sits around watching tv all day, waiting for your visit of a couple of weeks a couple of times a year? if you are not living here with your girl, you are being played. just talk to the local expats, many never barfine they just get a daily offer from a variety of girls being supported by their tourist boyfriends. they all laugh and talk about it, particularly when the guy shows up with her on his arm, during his bi-annual visit.
let me say it another way for the tourist, your young innocent girlfriend who loves you so much, is taking it on a regular basis by the local expats or filipino men in her neighborhood. she is probably working the internet for guys. she may even have her local boyfriend living with her, except when you plan your visit. but you won't believe me, not your girl, she loves you so much, misses you so much. ha ha
The girls are in this business for the money, to suggest it provides no motivation to the girl denies what the business is. I agree though, money provides no assurance of performance, it may buy a wider variety of bed experiences on occassion (toys, photo's, lesbian, etc). A guy who tips poorly, sets his reputation (the girls all talk), so upon return to the bar may find the girls less enthusiastic to go with him.
By and large, the big spenders (and known for being such) have the best looking girls, the largest number of good looking girls and the girls cater to him. Money buys quality looking girls, in volume, that may not translate into performance, only a pure looks basis. Guys known for being cheap, just don't get the stunners.
May not want to hear this, but a 500 peso tip is considered average, more acceptable to perimeter road girls, short time, or B quality level. 1,000 peso is considered courteous. 2,000 peso and above makes you a spender. Many stunners will not go out again with a guy who gives less than 1,000 peso. This relates to the average guy coming here on vacation, not the young stud, or some who have a special talent with women.
They are already getting paid 3000 pesos. But as we all know they are no better in bed than a 1200 peso girl. So money isn't going to buy you any better service.
So what?
Usually in average they are a bit taller and a bit prettier than the others.
Some eye-candy from time to time, why not?
Cheers!
Rubberyman
10-27-10, 10:39
May not want to hear this, but a 500 peso tip is considered average, more acceptable to perimeter road girls, short time, or B quality level. 1,000 peso is considered courteous. 2,000 peso and above makes you a spender. Many stunners will not go out again with a guy who gives less than 1,000 peso. This relates to the average guy coming here on vacation, not the young stud, or some who have a special talent with women.
I think the amount varies from guy to guy, or perhaps from nationality to nationality.
I have had stunners want to stay with me for days. Not much more than trike fare and a nice farewell gift of some sort. Never had a problem with repeat business or with other ladies from the same bar not wanting to go with me.
And I am fat fifties and balding.
Having said that, if someone wants to pay more, good luck to them. But there if someone finds that they HAVE to pay those amounts to get a stunner or a repeat bf, then maybe they should look at something else. Could be as simple as bad breath or the way that someone comes across. This is where a wingman is a great help. They can tell a bloke if he has body odour or bad breath. By all means people pay what they want, but it it ain't necessary. The Phils is Not a 'tipping culture' and no amount of say so will make it so.
ThatGuy865
10-27-10, 12:02
The girls are in this business for the money, to suggest it provides no motivation to the girl denies what the business is. I agree though, money provides no assurance of performance, it may buy a wider variety of bed experiences on occassion (toys, photo's, lesbian, etc). A guy who tips poorly, sets his reputation (the girls all talk), so upon return to the bar may find the girls less enthusiastic to go with him.
By and large, the big spenders (and known for being such) have the best looking girls, the largest number of good looking girls and the girls cater to him. Money buys quality looking girls, in volume, that may not translate into performance, only a pure looks basis. Guys known for being cheap, just don't get the stunners.
May not want to hear this, but a 500 peso tip is considered average, more acceptable to perimeter road girls, short time, or B quality level. 1, 000 peso is considered courteous. 2, 000 peso and above makes you a spender. Many stunners will not go out again with a guy who gives less than 1, 000 peso. This relates to the average guy coming here on vacation, not the young stud, or some who have a special talent with women.This thinking is all in your head. With nothing to back it up. I rarely give over 300 pesos. Have had plenty of stunners, repeat business, girls blowing up my cell asking to come back. These girls do NOT go back talking money as much as you thing they do. They are very clickish. They stay in very small groups. Usually based on where they are from.
Think about it. Expats rarely give anything but a small tip. Never a big tip and they get women all day long
Do you honestly thingk a girl who is sleep in a rack. With no air. Bearly getting more than a bowl of rice and a sliver of meat. Isn't going to be grateful for what ever comes her way by means of a tip. Sure 1000 is better than 300. But for them 300 is dam good too. And as I say these girls are more emotional minded than one can even imagine.
Personally It has been my experience once a girl has been with me. If I want to see her again. I have NEVER had a girl refuse.
I also don't think the guys who spend the most get the best women. But you guys can keep spending big.
Let me say it another way for the tourist, your young innocent girlfriend who loves you so much, is taking it on a regular basis by the local expats or Filipino men in her neighborhood. She is probably working the internet for guys. She may even have her local boyfriend living with her, except when you plan your visit. But you won't believe me, not your girl, she loves you so much, misses you so much. Ha ha[/QUOTE]Is this true nearly 100% of the time?
I have been sending "my girl" 10K php (200USD) for a year so she can live in the province with her children. When I call her I always hear the kids in the background. And sometimes I talk for a minute to "mama".
What % of girls actually are true to their "tourist boyfriends"?
Am I an exception?
ThatGuy865
10-27-10, 14:48
My final comment on this subhect
These girls do not go back braggn as much as you guys think. Just as filipinas are not ashame to ask a guy they know for money. They know if they went baxk and bragged about having a 1000 tip. All their friends would expect them to pay for food and other necessities.
Besides they have other girls that would steal from them. All of these girls are not angles. There are quite a few who use drugs. Namely shabu.
Yeah they might tell their closest girl friend. But its not like they are making a public service announcement about it.
Do you go around at work and tell your co-workers how big of a raise you get.
WestCoast1
10-27-10, 14:51
The girls are in this business for the money, to suggest it provides no motivation to the girl denies what the business is. I agree though, money provides no assurance of performance, it may buy a wider variety of bed experiences on occassion (toys, photo's, lesbian, etc). A guy who tips poorly, sets his reputation (the girls all talk), so upon return to the bar may find the girls less enthusiastic to go with him.
By and large, the big spenders (and known for being such) have the best looking girls, the largest number of good looking girls and the girls cater to him. Money buys quality looking girls, in volume, that may not translate into performance, only a pure looks basis. Guys known for being cheap, just don't get the stunners.
May not want to hear this, but a 500 peso tip is considered average, more acceptable to perimeter road girls, short time, or B quality level. 1,000 peso is considered courteous. 2,000 peso and above makes you a spender. Many stunners will not go out again with a guy who gives less than 1,000 peso. This relates to the average guy coming here on vacation, not the young stud, or some who have a special talent with women.
Somewhat disagree. I'm cheap in the sense that I don't tip. I feed the girls before we go to the room, so that's a plus. But I only give p100 for taxi. Interestingly I don't have to barfine all that often, as I have a number of girls there who keep coming to my room after her shift and spending the night. All for the cost of the dinner/drinks that night or a breakfast in the morning. Gotta ask yourself: if some guys aren't tipping at all, why are there girls coming back?
A lot of guys take girls out of the bars on a regular basis. Let me say it another way for the tourist, your young innocent girlfriend who loves you so much, is taking it on a regular basis by the local expats or Filipino men in her neighborhood. She is probably working the internet for guys. She may even have her local boyfriend living with her, except when you plan your visit. But you won't believe me, not your girl, she loves you so much, misses you so much. ha ha
I am guilty of taking a Cherry girl out of the bar and taking care of her for a few years for education. Right now she is in Dubai and has a nice job.
Yes, No girl can be trusted to be chaste which includes your wife in your absence. Yes, These girls have crossed the line between a normal girl and bargirl providing sex for money. They all come to AC to have a job and make money. Many do not go barfine and get disillussioned and go back home.
Some may work a short time and go home. Some find a sponsor and go home. There are all kinds.
Anything can happen if you are not with the girl 24/7. While I was with my sponsored girl her friend who was sponsored by another American was fooling around with everybody. She used to party with us and sometimes we had double dates with her and her american sponsor. I was not going to tell him about her just because I am not sure 100% my girl does not do the same when I am not around.
Sponsoring has its advantages however. at the same time need to be aware of her possible infidelity. Advantages are you have a loving( atleast when you are together) girl and you two click have great sex and companionship. Nice to take these girls are vacation.
As for the cost it works out the same as you spend money in bars and P4P girls. My girl did not drink and did not like expensive foods. She was quite happy to be with me. Many a times I need to force her to go to a disco place and order juice for her and drinks for me.
So sponsorship is not at all a bad thing if you get the girl out of AC.
May not want to hear this, but a 500 peso tip is considered average, more acceptable to perimeter road girls, short time, or B quality level. 1,000 peso is considered courteous. 2,000 peso and above makes you a spender. Many stunners will not go out again with a guy who gives less than 1,000 peso. This relates to the average guy coming here on vacation, not the young stud, or some who have a special talent with women.
It's good to hear this. I had no idea that a 500 peso tip was average. I thought that was considered a big tip. I never tip a 3k girl. I figure I spent enough already.
So the guys who tip 2k with a 3k girl, that equates to 5k for LT. That is not CHEAP pussy. It's no wonder to me that these chicks are sporting attitude now! Spoiled big time. But, that's just the way it is.
Oh, and when you know who overtips, you know who NOT to tell about cheaper destinations and attractive girls who give good service without tips. ;)
Yah, all good info about cheap spots should be shared through PM. No sense in advertising it to the world.
So what?
Usually in average they are a bit taller and a bit prettier than the others.
Some eye-candy from time to time, why not?
Cheers!
you are 100% right, Ekspat! And if they make one more horny than the other girls, the additonal money is well spent! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Jack James
10-27-10, 17:26
Hi guys,
If you do hook up with a gf and like her and you think she likes you and she does go back to her providence and tells you that she has turned into a good girl what do you believe? I was married to a phillipina and I think she did the right thing by me but you think in the back of your mind what is she upto. I have meet another girl now but iam not going down the same path as before I think you must turn the girls over every two days. But here is a question to all members how do you stop feeling something for the girls? I know it is a fairyland there but what do you know is true or false? Any advice would be great.
Jessy James you are a wanker. These girls are poor they have no money come from a hard back ground, you sounds like you a middle class US wanker never had it tough? Have you had to live in a tin shed no power no running water with 10 family members
Of course they will tell you they love you what ever it takes to get out of there, do you blame them for trying to get a better life?
Good luck? My friend don't forget to eat? I lve u? Misssssssuuuuuuu
Mawwwwww
If you do hook up with a gf and like her and you think she likes you and she does go back to her providence and tells you that she has turned into a good girl what do you believe? I was married to a phillipina and I think she did the right thing by me but you think in the back of your mind what is she upto. I have meet another girl now but iam not going down the same path as before I think you must turn the girls over every two days. But here is a question to all members how do you stop feeling something for the girls? I know it is a fairyland there but what do you know is true or false? Any advice would be great.
Oh c'mon!
If a girl is a runner, I highly doubt she won't run simply because the guy is good looking.
Running is a way to make money. Staying with a good looking guy isn't gonna get her more money.
IMHO they are two types of runners, one who is trying to maximize her potential (heavy demand) and she can turn three short times a night and two, girls who have a boyfriend, it may be a local or a foreigner who will call her at the time the bar closes to see if she is not in a hotel room.
Robb
1. If you do hook up with a gf and like her and you think she likes you and she does go back to her providence and tells you that she has turned into a good girl what do you believe?
2. how do you stop feeling something for the girl?
Hi JJ:
ad 1) that she is nothing but a liar!
ad 2) simply think of all the other cuties who served, serve and will serve you nicely! :)
IMHO of course!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Rubberyman
10-27-10, 23:01
It's good to hear this. I had no idea that a 500 peso tip was average. I thought that was considered a big tip. I never tip a 3k girl. I figure I spent enough already.
So the guys who tip 2k with a 3k girl, that equates to 5k for LT. That is not CHEAP pussy. It's no wonder to me that these chicks are sporting attitude now! Spoiled big time. But, that's just the way it is.
On another board there is a trip report from a guy who paid 500 P tip for the best girl he had on his trip out of a multiple number of girls. So maybe it is an average tip for the best girl you get on your stay in AC.
So plenty of good times to be had out there for 1500+100=1600, and some bars in the Perimeter are cheaper.
However, if you have been a naughty boy and need to be punished by a dominant lady telling you to pay more, you wicked thing you, then of course that is extra. There are plenty of reasons for a big tip if you want to pay it. The fine distinction is you WANT or NEED to pay it, rather than you HAVE to or are EXPECTED to pay it. In the first two cases that is your business, and go for it, you don't have to justify it to anyone here or anywhere else. In the second two cases there is plenty of evidence from this and other boards that you can get all the pussy you want and still have them beating a path to your door for 1600P all up or cheaper.
On another board there is a trip report from a guy who paid 500 P tip for the best girl he had on his trip out of a multiple number of girls. So maybe it is an average tip for the best girl you get on your stay in AC.
So plenty of good times to be had out there for 1500+100=1600, and some bars in the Perimeter are cheaper.
However, if you have been a naughty boy and need to be punished by a dominant lady telling you to pay more, you wicked thing you, then of course that is extra. There are plenty of reasons for a big tip if you want to pay it. The fine distinction is you WANT or NEED to pay it, rather than you HAVE to or are EXPECTED to pay it. In the first two cases that is your business, and go for it, you don't have to justify it to anyone here or anywhere else. In the second two cases there is plenty of evidence from this and other boards that you can get all the pussy you want and still have them beating a path to your door for 1600P all up or cheaper.
Living here six years & knowing the salaries & lives of the average person I can tell you most sex tourists to PI pay too much for their P4P & tip *way* too high.
Choose the girl wisely, treat her nicely & you *do not* need to hand over these ridiculous sums of money that you guy's are talking about.
Serious money is reserved for 'A list' 'keepers'.
AV
Rubberyman
10-28-10, 04:20
Living here six years & knowing the salaries & lives of the average person I can tell you most sex tourists to PI pay too much for their P4P & tip *way* too high.
Choose the girl wisely, treat her nicely & you *do not* need to hand over these ridiculous sums of money that you guy's are talking about.
Serious money is reserved for 'A list' 'keepers'.
AV
Yep,
I realise that it is cheaper than 1600P doing exactly what you say. However, I figure that a lot of guys are here for a very short time and out of necessity don't get much further than the Furbidden City or Dillhouse and end up paying 3000-5000P. In addition, there are those who want a point and click' experience and that is extra as well. Perhaps the big tips are fair for point and click and being able to treat them like wh***s. Also, I figure being too specific about how one could pay even less than the 1600P amount might just lead overpayers to spoil that. Your general advice is dead right. Choose wisely, treat them nicely are the two most important things imo - the price goes down ridiculously then.
Hey Bros,
Getting on the plane this Saturday night, be there Monday afternoon 1st TIME! Staying at LGH. If I have the energy where should I go first? I like getting my supplies for the room set up I/e beer/wine, fruit, and stuff. Maybe an easy going bar where I can get comfortable w/ the scene there before I go on my first 3some search and enjoy. Anyway I am stoked, any advice much appreciated.
Cheers
FurryFriend
10-28-10, 04:59
Living here six years & knowing the salaries & lives of the average person I can tell you most sex tourists to PI pay too much for their P4P & tip *way* too high.
Choose the girl wisely, treat her nicely & you *do not* need to hand over these ridiculous sums of money that you guy's are talking about.
Serious money is reserved for 'A list' 'keepers'.
AV
No one says being nice doesn't work. It does. But all else considered equal, "nice + money" clearly and logically works better than just "nice" on Fields.
As a tourist, I don't have time to "choose wisely". And if I were looking for a wife or girlfriend type, I sure as heck won't do it on Fields.
Philippines is a poor country and people do what they need to do to survive. Only the most naive would think a 19 year old Filipina can have a real emotional attachment to a 45 year old white man. Take the money out of the equation and let's see how long that attachment would last. Therefore, it is indeed ultimately about the pesos.
When looking for love, these girls are choosing young Filipino men. For money, they're choosing old white men.
Phantomtiger2
10-28-10, 07:21
Yeah, I do agree as I am a long time visitor here (been here many times as a tourist but not an expat like some of you lucky souls). And being here often enough sometimes makes me feel like an expat already as I've gotten to know many here by sight.
Lets not forget the final cost for your gal for the nite is always more than the mandatory BF + tips.
At least for me, even being the cheapo that I am will ALWAYS buy a beer or 2 at the bar and order a LD for the gal I choose to "properly" introduce ourselves and have time for all my usual questions and also the LD will usually (not always) break the ice and show me if she will be friendly--like wrapping arms around me, stroking my legs etc)
So even on my cheapo budget, it will be 1500 BF + 1-2 beers (about 120p--and/or more if happy hours over) and LD =150p, its about 1800p and if I gave trike money tips like I always do for the avg performer then final cost will be close to about 1900-2000p.
Just from my experiences , but do post your experiences and MO as they will be different from mine.
PT
Phantomtiger2
10-28-10, 07:26
Hi JJ:
ad 1) that she is nothing but a liar!
ad 2) simply think of all the other cuties who served, serve and will serve you nicely! :)
IMHO of course!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Ha ha, nicely said.
Lets not forget that from my years of experience, they are not always lying about everything but they mix half truth with lies that they want you to believe. Don't forget, being a bar gal is a business to them so trust them only as much as you will trust your local used car saleman--and this is IMO.
PT
Phantomtiger2
10-28-10, 07:35
Yes, No girl can be trusted to be chaste which includes your wife in your absence. Yes, These girls have crossed the line between a normal girl and bargirl providing sex for money.
So sponsorship is not at all a bad thing if you get the girl out of AC.
Well, heres my take on what happen the only time I decided to call someone here my so call GF.
Never had a problem with health, then went away for a month, came back and spend a week with her and return home with the drips. Well, the only gal I've been with all this time was her so I guess you can come to the same conclusion as me.
Live and learn.
PT
Phantomtiger2
10-28-10, 07:42
Personally for me, in Angeles, I've never had a woman afterwards ask that. I have seen the waitresses frown when I leave if I leave like 5-10 pesos on occasion.
Yeah, like the fat waitress at Dollhouse. I went early during Happy hours for a quick beer and just to scan what was being offered early on stage. The beer bill was 50p (maybe 60--don't remember exactly), left her a 10p tip and heard her and her friends laughing out loud all the way to the door.
PT
Well, heres my take on what happen the only time I decided to call someone here my so call GF.
Never had a problem with health, then went away for a month, came back and spend a week with her and return home with the drips. Well, the only gal I've been with all this time was her so I guess you can come to the same conclusion as me.
Live and learn.
PT
Man, in all this time I've known you, heard you once mention you had a lady in AC but you never finished the story about her, now I know why.
Cheers pal
Shark
Yeah, I do agree as I am a long time visitor here (been here many times as a tourist but not an expat like some of you lucky souls). And being here often enough sometimes makes me feel like an expat already as I've gotten to know many here by sight.
Lets not forget the final cost for your gal for the nite is always more than the mandatory BF + tips.
At least for me, even being the cheapo that I am will ALWAYS buy a beer or 2 at the bar and order a LD for the gal I choose to "properly" introduce ourselves and have time for all my usual questions and also the LD will usually (not always) break the ice and show me if she will be friendly--like wrapping arms around me, stroking my legs etc)
So even on my cheapo budget, it will be 1500 BF + 1-2 beers (about 120p--and/or more if happy hours over) and LD =150p, its about 1800p and if I gave trike money tips like I always do for the avg performer then final cost will be close to about 1900-2000p.
Just from my experiences , but do post your experiences and MO as they will be different from mine.
PT
Final cost seems about right, except to add if you do take the odd one out early and had to also feed her the usual Jollibee meal if she is hungry --and they often will be if you even mention the work Jollibee, then add on another 150-200p to the final cost, so sometimes the overall cost will run 2200p +.
And if as some of you reported to give 1000p + or more tips (BTW: I personally believe this is way over what I consider normal--IMHO)
then your final nite cost could be alot more than you suspect.
Shark
As I reported earlier,
I too had my share of runners and this happened despite every attempt to weed them out.
Last trip to AC, I had 2 runners and one was from Perimeter and the other from Fields.
But also to alert others that a different form of bad performance is the occassional non-runner but a bad performer- which I believe to be worst than the runner.
At least with a runner, she shows a bad attitude but leaves right away. With a scamming non-performer, have a had time trying to throw their asses out in the middle of the night.
As soon as she gets to room, out comes the cell phone and texting, then on comes the TV. She will smile at you all this time. Shower and after the 1 st round the attitude takes a 180 turn. Now the bad attitude surfaces as she knows not much you can do (in terms of refunds and such as you already had sex with her). Now the constant texting continues, and she will be very resistant to you touching her and trying for round 2. She will promise you 1 round in am before she leaves--which is also BS as I had one before that promise this but in the am she was already all dressed and out the door before you can even touch her. All nite she will be up watching the local soap operas. You try to tell her to leave and she will say it is too early as she was BF all night (she just want to use you for your nice room, bed, AC etc.) What a hassle as I sometimes had to threaten to call the security guard up to kick her ass out, and by now it is often very late and my mood is gone for another take out at another bar.
So beware of another scam other than runners.
Shark
WestCoast1
10-28-10, 12:31
Yeah, like the fat waitress at Dollhouse. I went early during Happy hours for a quick beer and just to scan what was being offered early on stage. The beer bill was 50p (maybe 60--don't remember exactly), left her a 10p tip and heard her and her friends laughing out loud all the way to the door.
PT
Why leave a tip for one drink? You risk embarassment by leaving an amount smaller than the drink price (in this case). Its easy to just hand her the next highest bill amount. P50 drink: give her p60 (p20 x 3) for the bill and walk out. Dont wait for the change and leave the p10 coin on the table. Or just leave a p50 note and walk. The girl will make her tips off other drunk foreigners who love to tip. I only tip if she's brought me several drinks (the next highest bill amount).
Why leave a tip for one drink? You risk embarassment by leaving an amount smaller than the drink price (in this case). Its easy to just hand her the next highest bill amount. P50 drink: give her p60 (p20 x 3) for the bill and walk out. Dont wait for the change and leave the p10 coin on the table. Or just leave a p50 note and walk. The girl will make her tips off other drunk foreigners who love to tip. I only tip if she's brought me several drinks (the next highest bill amount).
Before when the Beer cost 90 pesos I will give 100 Peso note and leave. Later the beer cost 100 Pesos I had to give 20 peso note because I usually have no coins.
Now the question comes why leave a tip? Well, everybody in AC expects a tip. Although it is in PHI it has become part of western system. I have seen some walk out without leaving any tip taking the change given. The girls are not allowed to say anything although sometimes they ask where is my tip? For me it is kind of awkward at that moment to search for the tip.
Everybody tips differently. Ac is a entertainment venue and I believe some tipping is advised.
I am not sure where to begin so i will just throw some random thoughts into the mix. I do not like carrying coins around in pocket, leave them for the waitress if i purchase something.. I am on vacation and don't want to be a collector of coins. I pay the EWR and unless it is exceptional i don't give a tip. If the girl is friendly and cooperative and we both enjoy ourselves much more likely to receive a tip of some kind. Never had any complaints.
At my hotel i tip the cleaning lady. Always cleaned room first and extra towels or what ever i want. Always done with a smile and uusually very quickly. In the reataurant I will tip once or twice a week. You would be surprised how this helps when I want service or just walk into the place.
You are on vacation so stop being cheap charlies. If you cant afford to tip when appropiate you don't have enough money to be here on a vacation. Thats just how I feel, nothing against you if you don't feel this way.
Look at what you are really spending. Where I am from i go to a movie and for some food with a date I figure it is $100 . I probibly won't get any for a few dates so now I am in for 300 or more. Here i can have a great time less than 2500P. Wow , about $50.00. Much better deal and i get layed on the first date. Guys look at the conversion rate. 100P is about $2.00 U.S., 10P is a quarter. Just leave it for them
Not trying to flame anyone but just do as you want as far a tiping. It makes me feel better and i get superior service with a smile, niceness, and being pleasant. I feel better inside when I see them smile and are happy. So I tip when I feel it is appropiate and/ or don't want the coins.
Let talk about the pussy and whats exciting in Angles.. A much more interesting topic.
Keep it stiff
LoveAsianWhores
10-28-10, 17:29
I think the different thoughts on tipping are related to local as opposed to tourist practices. I go to Fields about twice a week, and have done so for several years now. I tip no differently then I would in any Philippines establishment. I leave the coins, and if there is no change, then there is no tip. Most regulars to Fields tip the same way. Tourists act differently, and will tip like they do in their home countries, which will sometimes cause waitresses to exect tips from other tourists, but never locals. So, do as the locals and don't tip.
Just a couple of exceptions to the above. If I've stayed a while and had a couple of drinks, I will usually leave 20 pesos. If I happen to like the waitress for whatever reason, I will give her a separate tip in her hand, sometimes 100 pesos if she helped me find a girl. And of course, I always tip the mamasan if I barfine a girl, usually 50 or 100 pesos, depending.
But the most important thing is do what is most comfortable for you. If leaving a 500p tip is your thing, then by all means do it. I've never sensed that the waitresses are expecting a tip, and am surprised that others have. Maybe it is because I am so well known and considered a local, while tourists are hit up for tips. And I guess that if a waitress has figured out that making a comment or some face to a tourist will get a tip, then she will do it, in the same way that a begger will hastle tourists for tips, but will ignore me because I am recognized.
Jack James
10-28-10, 18:44
hi guys,
i just got back from another night of partying meet a old gf from 6 months ago is working as a cashier now in a bakery. ask me a question what does she have to do to be my number 1 gf? wow i must be a butterfly i did not know how to answer her question? i must be weaking in my old age iam taking her with me for the next 3 days to cebu. i will be in angels on the 3rd of november would like to hook up with you again paulb but i have heard on the grape fine you are in love, is it true? will be at club asia on the 3rd drop me a line anyone that needs a wingman. i am wondering if anyone has tryed my method with any good results, keep me inform fellow mongers.
... Only the most naive would think a 19 year old Filipina can have a real emotional attachment to a 45 year old white man...
FF:
you are absolutely right! I could not agree more! But let's be honest, a bargirl needs not have any feelings for a customer as long as her service is fine. And if she pretends some emotions, the better it is for us, isn't it!? :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I think the different thoughts on tipping are related to local as opposed to tourist practices. I go to Fields about twice a week, and have done so for several years now. I tip no differently then I would in any Philippines establishment. I leave the coins, and if there is no change, then there is no tip. Most regulars to Fields tip the same way. Tourists act differently, and will tip like they do in their home countries, which will sometimes cause waitresses to exect tips from other tourists, but never locals. So, do as the locals and don't tip.
Just a couple of exceptions to the above. If I've stayed a while and had a couple of drinks, I will usually leave 20 pesos. If I happen to like the waitress for whatever reason, I will give her a separate tip in her hand, sometimes 100 pesos if she helped me find a girl. And of course, I always tip the mamasan if I barfine a girl, usually 50 or 100 pesos, depending.
But the most important thing is do what is most comfortable for you. If leaving a 500p tip is your thing, then by all means do it. I've never sensed that the waitresses are expecting a tip, and am surprised that others have. Maybe it is because I am so well known and considered a local, while tourists are hit up for tips. And I guess that if a waitress has figured out that making a comment or some face to a tourist will get a tip, then she will do it, in the same way that a begger will hastle tourists for tips, but will ignore me because I am recognized.
I always tip, being from NYC it's what we do.
Tipping is an art. The right tip, to the right person, at the right time opens doors, or shows respect, or many other things that make service better, or gets you what you want or out of what you don't.
In the phills, 'old-school' tipping works real well:
-tip the person, not the place. Tip on the down low. No one sees it. Just a quick handshake with a thrice folded bill.
I can fold a bill in my pocket. Have it out thumb and palm for the pass.
Never had a philipino miss it. They like and know the game.
Wanna float a 'kite" to some fine waitress on the down lo?
Jot your cell# on a 50p note and pass it.
Always works for a call back.
Why bother?, you might ask. Because it works in so many ways. People remember you and accord considerations.
Take the test, start passing 20p notes freely around and see what happens.
R
Radical Guy
10-29-10, 01:00
FF:
you are absolutely right! I could not agree more! But let's be honest, a bargirl needs not have any feelings for a customer as long as her service is fine. And if she pretends some emotions, the better it is for us, isn't it!? :)
Cheers!
HesekielsThe irony is, for some reason, filipinas still get very jealous when they think another woman is treading on her guy, regardless of his age.
Econo Tech
10-29-10, 03:39
FF:
you are absolutely right! I could not agree more! But let's be honest, a bargirl needs not have any feelings for a customer as long as her service is fine. And if she pretends some emotions, the better it is for us, isn't it!? :)
Cheers!
HesekielsAll I can say is - you guys know nuts about filipinas :D :D No kidding - when a filipina - bar girl or not -says she has feelings - IT MEANS IT - if not how the F do you get GFE and better output from a regular / repeat girl instead of a mechanical stuff?
What's the difference between a canoe and a Aussie/Brit?
A canoe tips!!
Uncle Goober
10-29-10, 10:10
What's the difference between a canoe and a Aussie/Brit?
A canoe tips!!
yawn
What is the difference between [here insert vandaddio's country] and yoghurt?
Yoghurt have live culture in it.
yawn
I always tip, being from NYC it's what we do.
Tipping is an art. The right tip, to the right person, at the right time opens doors, or shows respect, or many other things that make service better, or gets you what you want or out of what you don't.
In the phills, 'old-school' tipping works real well:
-tip the person, not the place. Tip on the down low. No one sees it. Just a quick handshake with a thrice folded bill.
I can fold a bill in my pocket. Have it out thumb and palm for the pass.
Never had a philipino miss it. They like and know the game.
Wanna float a 'kite" to some fine waitress on the down lo?
Jot your cell# on a 50p note and pass it.
Always works for a call back.
Why bother?, you might ask. Because it works in so many ways. People remember you and accord considerations.
Take the test, start passing 20p notes freely around and see what happens.
R
Tipping when service is exceptionally good or when you want to invest in someone is smart! Use tipping as a tool.
- "Take the test, start passing 20p notes freely around and see what happens"
I don't agree with handing out free money just for the sake of it. That is pretty much the reason why we see all the negative reports here. Just because the place is cheap doesn't mean everybody should get a free handout for doing nothing. This is not an incentive based approach and leads to spoiling/expectations of people.
Just because a girl brings you a beer doesn't mean she should get a tip. Now if she brings you a beer and rubs her tits in your face, then maybe give her something. Feel sorry for her, because she works for peanuts? Don't give her a tip out of sympathy! Tell her she can earn extra by coming over to your room to fuck!
Let's not forget, AC is a SEX DESTINANTION! It is not a resort or holiday place.
What's the difference between a canoe and a Aussie/Brit?
A canoe tips!!
In Australia we pay our workers enough so that they don't have to beg!
In our country a tip is considered appropriate for unusually good service.
Australians find it intensely irritating/annoying to have people constantly begging us for gratuities.
America is such a wealthy country, it is shameful you pay your staff such low salaries that they must beg for gratuities as a component of their salaries.
AV
GoodEnough
10-29-10, 11:11
In Australia we pay our workers enough so that they don't have to beg!
In our country a tip is considered appropriate for unusually good service.
Australians find it intensely irritating/annoying to have people constantly begging us for gratuities.
America is such a wealthy country, it is shameful you pay your staff such low salaries that they must beg for gratuities as a component of their salaries.
AV
AV you made the common mistake of implying that New York is synonymous with the US. it's not of course, in the sense that its got its own rules, its own customs and its own culture.
Typically in the US servers in restaurants expect to, and usually do receive tips. Other service occupations such as taxi drivers may expect tips, but don't always receive them.
Here, I rarely give money to anyone "demanding" top, but frequently tip for services--in whatever realm-- that I consider above and beyond the usual standard. It's a way of expressing my appreciation for a job that's been done well.
Philosophery
10-29-10, 12:01
What's the difference between a canoe and a Aussie/Brit?
A canoe tips!!
At least if you are trying to insult someone, be accurate. Brits DO tip!!
AV you made the common mistake of implying that New York is synonymous with the US. it's not of course, in the sense that its got its own rules, its own customs and its own culture.
This is probably one of the biggest problems people make when they travel/monger in foreign destinations. They think as if they were "back home" and act accordingly especially with their wallets.
PI and all of SE Asia has it's own rules and customs and it's best to conform to them when you travel there. Do as the locals do and try to pay what they pay. It's no wonder why foreigners are dubbed as "stupid" or "walking ATMs" by the locals.
I hope fellow mongers who come to this board seeking info about proper pricing and local customs actually put into practice what they've read here. There really is no sense in overpaying or spoiling these people beyond what is necessary.
WestCoast1
10-29-10, 14:22
America is such a wealthy country, it is shameful you pay your staff such low salaries that they must beg for gratuities as a component of their salaries.
AV
Just a bit with that last part. I've never heard any service worker in the US ask for a tip. Or complain about one. Or complain about not getting one. Mexico, on the other hand...
Just a bit with that last part. I've never heard any service worker in the US ask for a tip. Or complain about one. Or complain about not getting one. Mexico, on the other hand...
Or AC on the other hand lol.
I am sick and tired of this topic.
If there was an emoticon of someone flogging a dead horse then I would insert it here.
All of us have different ideas about this topic, and nothing anyone says here is gonna change my views. I suspect it is the same with virtually everyone else.
Can we get back to helping one another find the quality totty? Forget about the tipping shit.
... - when a filipina - bar girl or not -says she has feelings - IT MEANS IT - ...
Well, then many thanks that you have educated us now! How come that you know that? Are you a pinay? :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I am sick and tired of this topic.
If there was an emoticon of someone flogging a dead horse then I would insert it here.
All of us have different ideas about this topic, and nothing anyone says here is gonna change my views. I suspect it is the same with virtually everyone else.
Can we get back to helping one another find the quality totty? Forget about the tipping shit.
It´s quick solution for that mate read the topics that catches your interest skip the ones that doesnt!
Cheers
BD
FurryFriend
10-29-10, 21:27
I am sick and tired of this topic.
If there was an emoticon of someone flogging a dead horse then I would insert it here.
All of us have different ideas about this topic, and nothing anyone says here is gonna change my views. I suspect it is the same with virtually everyone else.
Can we get back to helping one another find the quality totty? Forget about the tipping shit.
I have a brillant idea.
How about simply skipping the posts that doesn't interest you? This forum doesn't exist to cater only to your interests.
Tally Wacker
10-30-10, 03:23
Being American I have never had anyone ask or beg for a tip. American workers get paid well and if there was no tip expected then the business owners would just factor that into the cost of food or service they were providing. You can either tip nothing, a minimal amount or alot. Its up to the individual.
I go out to dinner with my 86yr old father and he tips very minimal no matter what the service is but I usualy tip more when I pay.
I would never go to another country and expect it to be the same as where I come from.
I have a Dutch relative that happens to be a cheap ass even though he is very wealthy. When we go out to dinner whether it be in America, South America or Amsterdam he always just pays for himself and thats it! Even if somebody like myself picked up the bill the night before for the whole group.
I never knew where the term "lets go Dutch" came from until I met him.
I still think he is a cheap ass :)
I have not been to Austraila but Im sure I would find things different there that might be better in America but that is the interesting part of visiting another country.
In Australia we pay our workers enough so that they don't have to beg!
America is such a wealthy country, it is shameful you pay your staff such low salaries that they must beg for gratuities as a component of their salaries.
AV
Staying in AC off and on through out March for 17 days, whats a good secure yet affordable place close to the action? Suggestions are muched appreciated.
Also anyone know if there is p4p on bohol?
ER
What's the difference between a canoe and a Aussie/Brit?
A canoe tips!!Really? Is that right? Well fuck me.
Let me say it another way for the tourist, your young innocent girlfriend who loves you so much, is taking it on a regular basis by the local expats or Filipino men in her neighborhood. She is probably working the internet for guys. She may even have her local boyfriend living with her, except when you plan your visit. But you won't believe me, not your girl, she loves you so much, misses you so much. Ha haIs this true nearly 100% of the time?
I have been sending "my girl" 10K php (200USD) for a year so she can live in the province with her children. When I call her I always hear the kids in the background. And sometimes I talk for a minute to "mama".
What % of girls actually are true to their "tourist boyfriends"?
Am I an exception?[/QUOTE]
An active bar girl (getting both ladies drinks and bf on a regular basis) will make from 15,000 peso up to 40,000 peso a month, plus tips. There is no 100% of the time here as you read in the posts with so many opinions. BUT by your description your girl is in the province, not continuing to live in Angeles, she has children thus her earnings in Angeles may not have been so high. Maybe she is true to you, who knows, but one should ask how she came into "her children". How many different boyfriends, husbands, foreigners, that might provide a clue into her mentality.
In the end, do you really care. Your not spending a huge sum of money on a monthly basis and when you come here you have a girl and maybe family that treats you like a king and shows you a great time. If you feel good in helping them out (and assume you do), then go with the flow.
When I travel to a new mongering destination, I always read boards to get a lay of the land. What does p4p cost, what is the tipping custom, how and where does one pick up. Its not always clear to a new visitor how the system works.
As a local expat here in Angeles, anyone reading the boards might consider the locals here do have an agenda. They have a frequent ***** about what tourists spend, how these spenders squeeze them out when they are partying in a bar, buying multiple double ladies drinks, throwing balls, ringing bells. Clearly a guy who lives here, chases girls day in and day out, brings some budget to mind, develops ways to minimize costs, etc. Is this not true of any tourist destination, the locals knowing where to buy? Often though, locals think they can control the increasing costs of their entertainment by chastising tourists into thinking they should "not spoil" the girls. Its a losing game.
The main strip is divided into three sections. The Korean bars (which I don't know much about), the Perimeter Road Bars and the Fields Avenue bars. Perimeter road pricing is: Local drinks 50 to 65 peso. Single Ladies drinks 100 to 120 peso, BF's from 1200 to 1400 peso. Fields pricing: Local drinks 95 peso, Single Ladies drinks 140 to 160 peso, Bf's 1500 to 3000 peso. Most bars and most girls are 1500 peso, but some of the show bars operate a tier system with their "better" looking girls going for 3000. Golden Nile has introduced an even higher tier up to 4000 to 5000. There are exceptions at various bars, during various promotions, but above is an accurate range at most bars.
I generally tip the waitress 20 peso, unless they play the 50 peso note change game, something recently started. No matter what your change, you will get a bunch of coins and only 50 peso notes. I generally just leave them the coins when they do this. Unless the girl plays games, I generally tip them 1,000 peso on a bf. Totally agree one can tip less, even less than 500 peso, maybe only trike fare. To each his own.
...An active bar girl (getting both ladies drinks and bf on a regular basis) will make from 15,000 peso up to 40,000 peso a month ...Really? Wow, that would be no bad income! Maybe we should not spoil them further and stop giving any tip then?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Cunning Stunt
10-30-10, 09:12
In Australia we pay our workers enough so that they don't have to beg!
In our country a tip is considered appropriate for unusually good service.
Australians find it intensely irritating/annoying to have people constantly begging us for gratuities.It must be your British heritage coming out. In UK, a tip is the place where rubbish is dumped;). Its not our fault we are mostly all born with short arms and deep pockets.
I have been sending "my girl" 10K php (200USD) for a year so she can live in the province with her children. When I call her I always hear the kids in the background. And sometimes I talk for a minute to "mama".
That sure will buy a lot of Red Horse, Tanduay or cheap gin for her barangay boyfriend and his mates (or allowing for the remote possibility that she is being faithful, her male relatives).
These girls believe that if it is not pierced on a regular basis, it will heal up!
Fast Buck Artist
10-30-10, 11:08
That sure will buy a lot of Red Horse, Tanduay or cheap gin for her barangay boyfriend and his mates (or allowing for the remote possibility that she is being faithful, her male relatives).Or, much more likely. On her own entertainment. I was just last week meeting up with a semi-pro for an evening of action. She has a foreign boyfriend who sends her money to "open a small business store". Takes all of it to Pagcor casino to play Baccarat.
I have RTFF and while I have seen lots of hotel recommendations....I have not seen any recommendation for longer term stays.
I am planning on staying for 2-3 months and I am looking for (a) something a little away from the mongering madness and (b) reasonably priced, hopefully less than 20,000 a month.
Possible? Thanks in advance for any help!Try some of these links where apartments are regularly listed http://www.angelescity.ph/1/posts/3_Real_Estate/8_Apartments_for_rent/
http://www.vrbo.com/vacation-rentals/asia/philippines#a22197
http://angelescondohotel.com/
Some require a security deposit of 2 months, I have been warned by others not to go for security deposit options because you might never get the security deposit back.
At least if you are trying to insult someone, be accurate. Brits DO tip!!Not the ones I have seen or been around.
In Australia we pay our workers enough so that they don't have to beg!
In our country a tip is considered appropriate for unusually good service.
Australians find it intensely irritating/annoying to have people constantly begging us for gratuities.
America is such a wealthy country, it is shameful you pay your staff such low salaries that they must beg for gratuities as a component of their salaries.
AVWell, I suppose you do it your way while on your island, however when you get off the rock the international rules come into play.
I hear many stories in USA and Canada about service persons doing some awful things to cheapo's (non tippers) food and drinks. In the phillipines or other asian countries, I know its not mandatory but it does not hurt to give 10-15% tip to show some class and appreciation.
Be a cheap charlie and have your attitude where I come from and you WILL be eating alot of SHIT with your meals.
Picked up a nice chick in one the Fields bars a few nights ago. She told me a few things that turns her off with customers. First, “negroes” (as she called them) have a reputation for having big dicks so she won’t go with them. She wants to protect her money making equipment, so if a negro asks her to go barfine she will then be “on the mens” (ie menstruation).
Second, she doesn’t like Koreans as they have bad breath. Another case of “the mens” when it comes to Koreans.
Third, she doesn’t like men with beards as they aggravate her facial skin when kissing. “The mens” again!
So guys take a shave, and if you are a negro, best to mention to the girl that your dick is not too big. And Koreans would best be served by investing in a toothbrush and toothpaste. Hope this advice helps some of you to avoid the dreaded”mens”.
Cheers.
You are very right about the girls using the "mens" excuse. It could be many reasons that they don't want to go with you. I had a few that I encountered, You just have to move on. There are many more to choose from. So I know how it feels.
Picked up a nice chick in one the Fields bars a few nights ago. She told me a few things that turns her off with customers. First, “negroes” (as she called them) have a reputation for having big dicks so she won’t go with them. She wants to protect her money making equipment, so if a negro asks her to go barfine she will then be “on the mens” (ie menstruation).
Second, she doesn’t like Koreans as they have bad breath. Another case of “the mens” when it comes to Koreans.
Third, she doesn’t like men with beards as they aggravate her facial skin when kissing. “The mens” again!
So guys take a shave, and if you are a negro, best to mention to the girl that your dick is not too big. And Koreans would best be served by investing in a toothbrush and toothpaste. Hope this advice helps some of you to avoid the dreaded”mens”.
Cheers.
Econo Tech
10-31-10, 09:46
So guys take a shave, and if you are a negro, best to mention to the girl that your dick is not too big. And Koreans would best be served by investing in a toothbrush and toothpaste. Hope this advice helps some of you to avoid the dreaded”mens”.
Cheers.And you believe the girl?
Next, when she sees a negro (as you say) she will say she hates white guys as they are cheapskate. Etc. Etc. And to a Chinese, she hates everybody as long as the Chinese guy is paying her good. And so and so.
Been there, heard that. This all their psychology. And making you feel good. Ever seen how many girls avoid koreans? When they know the korean is a 'big spender' all inhibition will vanish It's all about the money baby.
Econo Tech
10-31-10, 09:49
Sorry I submitted without adding some more. My experience. 90% of the mens crap is to keep her date with another guy / her Filipino bf.
Though I have seen the beard thingy. Whatever these girls do in their home town, including living with pigs, once they are in AC. Their skin turns sensitive Not something I can figure out. Especially when I have been to some girls home town and their living quarters. And suddenly they have been 'sensitivitised' as also I have seen from Filipina Maids and such here.
Well, I suppose you do it your way while on your island, however when you get off the rock the international rules come into play.
I hear many stories in USA and Canada about service persons doing some awful things to cheapo's (non tippers) food and drinks. In the phillipines or other asian countries, I know its not mandatory but it does not hurt to give 10-15% tip to show some class and appreciation.
Be a cheap charlie and have your attitude where I come from and you WILL be eating alot of SHIT with your meals.In our culture tipping is a reward for exceptional service.
It is not mandatory.
When see other foreigners throwing money at everybody we are dumbfounded & regard it as self aggrandisment (wanking).
Loud mouths throwing money around attract the wrong kind of attention here in the Phil. You would do well to listen & learn instead of insulting me.
AV
When see other foreigners throwing money at everybody we are dumbfounded & regard it as self aggrandisment (wanking).I couldn't agree more.
Muzungufotsy
10-31-10, 12:55
Well, I suppose you do it your way while on your island, however when you get off the rock the international rules come into play.
I hear many stories in USA and Canada about service persons doing some awful things to cheapo's (non tippers) food and drinks. In the phillipines or other asian countries, I know its not mandatory but it does not hurt to give 10-15% tip to show some class and appreciation.
Be a cheap charlie and have your attitude where I come from and you WILL be eating alot of SHIT with your meals.What international rules?
Tip is only mandatory in USA and Canada
In the rest of the world it s not mandatory at all
Besides filipinos don't tip so stop telling the rest of the world how to behave thanks.
Picked up a nice chick in one the Fields bars a few nights ago. She told me a few things that turns her off with customers. First, “negroes” (as she called them) have a reputation for having big dicks so she won’t go with them. She wants to protect her money making equipment, so if a negro asks her to go barfine she will then be “on the mens” (ie menstruation).
Second, she doesn’t like Koreans as they have bad breath. Another case of “the mens” when it comes to Koreans.
Third, she doesn’t like men with beards as they aggravate her facial skin when kissing. “The mens” again!
So guys take a shave, and if you are a negro, best to mention to the girl that your dick is not too big. And Koreans would best be served by investing in a toothbrush and toothpaste. Hope this advice helps some of you to avoid the dreaded”mens”.
Cheers.Some girls are really telling the truth. Few times I called their bluff and barfined them and ended up with a mess on the sheets.
Maybe sometimes it is advisable to ask her point blank if she is on mens before you buy a drink for her. But then you do not even know if you want to barfine her.
There are too many willing girls to be worried about few rejections.
Is the endless tipping discussion finally finished? yeah!
So, how were the Halloween parties in AC. Surely someone has a picture of a sexy witch or something! X
Some girls are really telling the truth. Few times I called their bluff and barfined them and ended up with a mess on the sheets.
Maybe sometimes it is advisable to ask her point blank if she is on mens before you buy a drink for her. But then you do not even know if you want to barfine her.
There are too many willing girls to be worried about few rejections.I think Alaska makes the bleeders where red bikinis so you know. That is smart! I wish all the other bars would adopt the same policy.
I have noted a lot of energy around the topic of the "High" prices and offer the following comparison.
I was first in PI from 1976-1979 while in the Navy and stationed at Subic Bay.
At that time my monthly income was $700 and the peso was 7 Pesos to the dollar. So my income in pesos was 4900 Pesos per month.
Prices were as follows:
Overnight = 50 PESOS
Short time = 26 PESOS
Ladies Drink = 10 PESOS
Beer = 2 PESOS
Jeepney 20 - 50 CENTAVOS
Average Night out (Girl + 5 Beers & No Ladies Drink) = 50 + 10 = 60 Pesos or $10 including incidentals.
So, a night out was Ten Dollars (70 Pesos), or about 1.5% of my monthly pay
Fast forward to 2010.
Assume a person earning $50,000 per year on a mongering trip to Angeles City.
With an exchange rate of 40 Pesos to the dollar, thet equates to 2,000,000 (two-million) Pesos per year.
That equates to about 16,700 Pesos per month.
If a night out costs 3000 Pesos That is less the one-fourth of one percent (.25 %) of your monthly income.
As far as I can tell, all things being equal, the cost of living in PI for someone from the West has not changed much since 1977.
Any thoughts??
I have noted a lot of energy around the topic of the "High" prices and offer the following comparison.
That equates to about 16,700 Pesos per month.
If a night out costs 3000 Pesos That is less the one-fourth of one percent (.25 %) of your monthly income.
As far as I can tell, all things being equal, the cost of living in PI for someone from the West has not changed much since 1977.
Any thoughts??The monthly salary is 167,000 per month
3000/167,000 = 1.8%
Remarkably similar to your old days.
Streetlooker
11-01-10, 01:33
Not to far back but going by a very foggy memory peso rate in 88-89 was I believe 21-22 to a dollar bar fines about 300 short time 600 longtime No cell phones no internet total attention on me good times. My pay was about $1500 a month has a e- 5 plus we always got TDY money to blow so I think those of us that got to be there then done well and those where the glory days. I just remember how the girls would wait in our rooms all day for us to return home from work they ironed my uniforms and spit shined my boots to inspection order Miss that kind of pampering
I am an American who has travelled around the world. Yes, it's true. We yanks and Canadians are "required" to tip in our restaurants, taxis, hotel concierges, etc, etc. And we are expected to give at least 15%. If I go to a restaurant with 5 others, the 15% to 18% tip is automatically added to the bill. If we don't, shit will hit the roof.
On the other hand, our restaurant prices, hotel prices, etc, (I can't say the same about taxi fares though), are much, much lower than Australia, Europe or Japan. In the end, it averages out. It is just a different system.
So, when in Rome.
The End (of discussion?). Amen?
FreebieFan
11-01-10, 11:06
I spit soda all over my keyboard when I read the last line.
I ended up with a set of red wings from DATYing a YST who did not know her period had started. I looked like the Joker from Batman (cut ear to ear). So it was sex in the shower the rest of the night.
SlimI have video that I was making with a hot girl I knew.
In the clip we both get undressed and shows me rubbing her pussy and fingering her. I guess as I was holding the camera I wasnt paying attention to the fact that as I withdrew my finger it had the tell.tale red blood marks, and then as my cock slowly entered her I saw it. And hastily removed my cock.
Poor girls face was priceless with embarrasment.
I think Alaska makes the bleeders where red bikinis so you know. That is smart! I wish all the other bars would adopt the same policy.The red bikinis are cherry girls and the girls with skirts on are having their mens.
Robb
Will be arriving on the 5th. Any good hotels inexpensive hotels you guys recommend vacant in AC right now. What are their price ranges?
Tally Wacker
11-02-10, 16:34
Alot of goog info in the AC Hotel section.
Will be arriving on the 5th. Any good hotels inexpensive hotels you guys recommend vacant in AC right now. What are their price ranges?
The monthly salary is 167,000 per month
3000/167,000 = 1.8%
Remarkably similar to your old days.Thanks for correcting my math error. Never mix math and Scotch.
With prices this low, its no wonder that the occasional visitor spends like a sailor. I'll be back for a week in November and estimate no more than $100 per day including lodging at Pacific Breeze hotel, food and drinks.
Life is good.
Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise pointless posts, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
Thanks,
Jackson
Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise pointless posts, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
Good job, Jackson. There's always too much chit chat and blah blah blah in these Philippines threads. Never really understood why that is.
A couple pics from last week's dance performance at Dollhouse.
LoveAsianWhores
11-04-10, 11:07
As far as I can tell, all things being equal, the cost of living in PI for someone from the West has not changed much since 1977.
Any thoughts??Maybe not, but barfines have gone up significantly since I got here 6 years ago. Back then, it was 53 pesos to the US$, and the barfine in AC was 1, 200 to 1, 400 pesos. So, if we use the average price of 1, 300, then a barfine was $25 six years ago.
Flash forward to now. It is 42 to the US$ and barfines are 1, 500 to 3, 000. I very rarely pay 3,000, but prefer hotties that go for 2,500 and often find my type of girl for 1,500. So if we take an average or 2,000 for a barfine, then that is $48.
So, if your income in US$ has increased by 12% a year for the past 6 years, then barfine prices have not increased at all relative to your income. Unfortunately, very few Americans can boast such increases in income continuosly for 6 years, so things have gone up quite a bit for us. But if you are Australian, well, I am sure you would have a much better perspective.
Youngster420
11-05-10, 04:47
Flash forward to now. It is 42 to the US$ and barfines are 1, 500 to 3, 000. I very rarely pay 3,000, but prefer hotties that go for 2,500 and often find my type of girl for 1,500. So if we take an average or 2,000 for a barfine, then that is $48.Damn, I was there earlier this year, and it was only 1350, has it really gone up that much?
Damn, I was there earlier this year, and it was only 1350, has it really gone up that much?
well, if I pay 1,350 or 1,500 pesos for LT does not really matter to me. Even if some guys might disagree because the relative increase is about 11%, it is IMHO still a great deal, isn't it!? And the 3,000 pesos are only related to showgirls, or am I mistaken?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Picked up a nice chick in one the Fields bars a few nights ago. She told me a few things that turns her off with customers. First, “negroes” (as she called them) have a reputation for having big dicks so she won’t go with them. She wants to protect her money making equipment, so if a negro asks her to go barfine she will then be “on the mens” (ie menstruation).
Second, she doesn’t like Koreans as they have bad breath. Another case of “the mens” when it comes to Koreans.
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I think it all depends on the lady at the bar.
I've seen several dancers jump for joy as a "negro" walked in the bar and were jumping all over him to get him to LD and BF. Hell, they never gave me that response when I walked in.
Also, many of the ladies I talked to prefer koreans as they are big spenders and again tried to get them to be BF.
So really depends as I suspect that a few may not go with koreans or negros but alot of others would from what I've seen.
Shark
LoveAsianWhores
11-07-10, 04:08
well, if I pay 1,350 or 1,500 pesos for LT does not really matter to me. Even if some guys might disagree because the relative increase is about 11%, it is IMHO still a great deal, isn't it!? And the 3,000 pesos are only related to showgirls, or am I mistaken?
Cheers!
HesekielsYes, 3,000 is for showgirls and models in the high end clubs, however, more and more places are charging 2,500 for "spotlight girls". Take Golden Nile and GN executive club, which has some of the best looking women in Angeles. It seams like every girl there is a spotlight girl, so I am often paying 2,500.
I think it all depends on the lady at the bar.
I've seen several dancers jump for joy as a "negro" walked in the bar and were jumping all over him to get him to LD and BF. Hell, they never gave me that response when I walked in.
Also, many of the ladies I talked to prefer koreans as they are big spenders and again tried to get them to be BF.
So really depends as I suspect that a few may not go with koreans or negros but alot of others would from what I've seen.
Shark
I agree. PI is probably the only place in SE Asia where they are happy to go with any race. Also, it seems like filipinas are happy to give away free fucks to young good looking guys.
well, if I pay 1,350 or 1,500 pesos for LT does not really matter to me. Even if some guys might disagree because the relative increase is about 11%, it is IMHO still a great deal, isn't it!? And the 3,000 pesos are only related to showgirls, or am I mistaken?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Perimeter road bars still run between 1200 and 1400. I think the BM is speaking of a few bars on Fields that held the line on 1300 peso bf's until this past October they raised their prices to 1500. Most bars on Fields were at 1500 or more, recent increases were at La Pasha group bars and Gecko's. There may still be some left on Fields at lower prices. Suggest increases reflect the increased salary costs for girls, where not long ago a dancer was paid 130 to 165 per day, most bars have had to increase their pay to 200 p and up. That's an increase of at least 21% if we are into ratio's.
Phantomtiger2
11-07-10, 23:58
I think it all depends on the lady at the bar.
I've seen several dancers jump for joy as a "negro" walked in the bar and were jumping all over him to get him to LD and BF. Hell, they never gave me that response when I walked in.
Shark
Hey Shark,
You must be talking about the time we met up in AC a while back. Yeah, I do remember that and how we said to each other how we wish we were black so we could get the same treatment at that bar.
PT
Phantomtiger2
11-08-10, 00:04
well, if I pay 1,350 or 1,500 pesos for LT does not really matter to me. Even if some guys might disagree because the relative increase is about 11%, it is IMHO still a great deal, isn't it!? And the 3,000 pesos are only related to showgirls, or am I mistaken?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Yup, the increases are expected as time goes by. Even my beer at happy hours have gone up at some bars. And 3000p is still thankfully confine to spotlight /showgirls.
I think most of us are really forgetting one major hidden increase cost of doing business in AC-- the US-PI exchange rate as it has taken a nose dive lately and if you spend enough here or stay long enough, the exchange rate will kill you at this moment.
PT
Mr Enternational
11-09-10, 12:04
I was first in PI from 1976-1979 while in the Navy and stationed at Subic Bay.
At that time my monthly income was $700 and the peso was 7 Pesos to the dollar. So my income in pesos was 4900 Pesos per month.
Prices were as follows:
Overnight = 50 PESOS
Short time = 26 PESOSI'm a Navy guy too. I was in during the early 90s, so you were way before my time. I never got to go to PI while I was in, but I heard some of the stories. One of the things that went around was that you could fuck for fruit. Is there any truth to that?
Mr Enternational
11-09-10, 12:52
When looking for love, these girls are choosing young Filipino men. For money, they're choosing old white men.Well in that case I guess they are choosing black guys in their 30s for fun.
1. They did not initially ask us for much money,
2. There was no asking for extra (tip, food, drinks),
3. There was no complaining about extra tasks (in fact extras such as anal or lesbian were usually offered by them or forced upon us unsolicited),
4. There were no runners (almost had one but it was morning already; will be discussed in another report).
I still have not had a chance to write up my reports from September yet, so this will be one.
While in Sky Trax our last night one of my wingmen called a girl over. She sat with us for a while. I had already called my choice for the night over earlier. My girl had gone to the bathroom or back to her friends' table for a while. My wingman's catch constantly had her phone out. So I asked to see it. I typed in, "Do you like anal?" When she saw it she got extremely excited. She said that I could fuck her ass while my wingman fucked her pussy or whatever combination we wanted to do. And the price she told us: 500 pesos together. That would have been 250 each.
It was just a random question that I did not intend to follow up on no matter what answer she would have given because I was extremely happy with my pick for the night. My wingman did end up taking her for the night and gave her 500 pesos when she left the next morning right before we went to the airport. She was a happy camper.
One of the things that went around was that you could fuck for fruit. Is there any truth to that?
Apples. For some reason you could not get fresh apples in the PI in 1984-86. I bought some at the commissary while on temp duty. Had a few bar girls visit in the afternoon and took a couple of apples instead of tip. Wasn't supposed to give them to the locals (black market item) but nobody seemed too concerned.
Slim
...I typed in, "Do you like anal?" ... 500 pesos together. That would have been 250 each...
maybe the very best deal in town!? :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
FreebieFan
11-10-10, 08:54
. One of the things that went around was that you could fuck for fruit. Is there any truth to that?I think its still going on. Saw a gal on cam the other day who happily inserted a medium size eggplant into her puss.
Guess her Mum was one of your "fruitfucks" and now its in the family gene pool. LOL
Also, it seems like filipinas are happy to give away free fucks to young good looking guys.
Really? Just for fun, or because they want to get married? At least I always had to pay my pinays! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Currency exchange: u can get 43.10 to the US dollar in AC as of 11-10-10.
--- the ratio of girls to tourists is far in favor of the tourist...many cute & available ladies.
--- most establishments doing business the old fashioned way...I note few changes.
---if ur a sports gambler u will find that the International Hotel will assist u with wagers.
--- try taking ur lady to R&B Music Venue (not far from Clarkton Hotel for some Great Live Music at a low price...no cover
---buy some fresh fruit at the market and put it in ur hotel refrigerator...eat healthy and cheap.
Best,
Five10
I think its still going on. Saw a gal on cam the other day who happily inserted a medium size eggplant into her puss.
Guess her Mum was one of your "fruitfucks" and now its in the family gene pool. LOLI think eggplang is a vegetable. :-) Maybe with a mutation to "Veggiefuck"?
FurryFriend
11-11-10, 14:40
I'm in the middle of my fifth trip to Angeles. I've been coming here approximately once every six months.
I'm not sure if it's just me, but I detect a sudden rudeness amongst the population. From the hotel staff to the dancers to the waitresses.
- At Stampede (in the Perimeter), I sat next to four dancers. After a friendly group chat, one of the girls suggested I buy everyone a drink. Of course, I refused (but said I would buy one of them a drink only). They abruptly stopped talking to me and started talking loudly amongst themselves in Tagalog. By their tone and facial expression, I know they were talking trash about me.
- At Pony Tails, when I paid the tab without buying a lady drink, I sensed a similar attitude from the waitress. None of this "thank you for coming" demeanor. I don't fucking believe I left a tip. My typical policy in America when eating at a restaurant is, if a waitress don't thank me, she gets no tip. I need to start doing it here.
- At where I'm staying (Blue Nile), no security guy even opens the door anymore. The hotel staff doesn't greet you when you walk pass. The night time attendant just fumbles through her cellphone.
These are just three of many personal examples.
I'm sure it's not the bar but the employee. For some reason, people have gotten more rude and bold compared to my last trips. Anyone detect something similar? If I can return to Hong Kong tonight, I would. Without the friendliness, there is no advantage to mongering in a third world shithole like this.
Really? Just for fun, or because they want to get married? At least I always had to pay my pinays! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
For fun and looking for marriage/boyfriend
...I'm not sure if it's just me, but I detect a sudden rudeness amongst the population. From the hotel staff to the dancers to the waitresses. ... without buying a lady drink, I sensed a similar attitude from the waitress... .
is that really new? I tend to believe that this was the case ever since, but I would not go that far to call it 'rude'. On the other hand I can somehow understand that under these circumstances bargirls are not all too pleased and they might wonder why to entertain a customer when he does not pay for a drink. Or am I too sympathetic?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I'm in the middle of my fifth trip to Angeles. I've been coming here approximately once every six months.
I'm not sure if it's just me, but I detect a sudden rudeness amongst the population. From the hotel staff to the dancers to the waitresses.
- At Stampede (in the Perimeter), I sat next to four dancers. After a friendly group chat, one of the girls suggested I buy everyone a drink. Of course, I refused (but said I would buy one of them a drink only). They abruptly stopped talking to me and started talking loudly amongst themselves in Tagalog. By their tone and facial expression, I know they were talking trash about me.
- At Pony Tails, when I paid the tab without buying a lady drink, I sensed a similar attitude from the waitress. None of this "thank you for coming" demeanor. I don't fucking believe I left a tip. My typical policy in America when eating at a restaurant is, if a waitress don't thank me, she gets no tip. I need to start doing it here.
- At where I'm staying (Blue Nile), no security guy even opens the door anymore. The hotel staff doesn't greet you when you walk pass. The night time attendant just fumbles through her cellphone.
These are just three of many personal examples.
I'm sure it's not the bar but the employee. For some reason, people have gotten more rude and bold compared to my last trips. Anyone detect something similar? If I can return to Hong Kong tonight, I would. Without the friendliness, there is no advantage to mongering in a third world shithole like this.
Some bars are ok and others are worst. They often target the single male coming in for a beer and not picking out a lady on stage or buying a LD for the waitress trying to sit next to you and chatting away. They never seem to care or have attitudes when there are 2 or more coming in as a group as they can easily have a conversation with one another without picking anyone in the bar. Sometimes I feel the way you do and often just come in and look around for any good talent and leave without ordering anything. I know they don't like this at all but better than sitting down buying a beer , being a customer and still get an attitude.
Shark
WestCoast1
11-12-10, 01:18
On the other hand I can somehow understand that under these circumstances bargirls are not all too pleased and they might wonder why to entertain a customer when he does not pay for a drink. Or am I too sympathetic?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Our approach is different. I'm not looking to have 'fun' in AC bars when I'm alone. Its different when I'm with friends. We chat, drink, watch the eye candy. We hit several bars and a restraunt in the evening. But we wait till the evening is done for us (about 11-12midnight) to finally go find poon. Once we are done and looking for poon, its a quick item for me. 5-10 minutes in almost any bar will do the trick for me. I shy away from LD's because they are just gravy money for the bar.
When I'm alone, having fun in the bars is farthest from my mind. I just want to find a girl for the evening. Just like at the end of the evening with my friends, probably I can find a girl by hitting 1 or 2 bars. I'm not the kind to start at 9am and hit 8 bars, get drunk, chat 8 different girls, buy LD's, party in the bar. Going out about 11pm and being back in my hotel by 11:30 is not unusual. I'm with Sharka, I walk into a bar (ie, Body Shop) and walk the length of it (or in this case, the 'circle' of it), taking in the girls. If I don't see a bunch that I fancy, just walk down a door or two (normally in any given bar I'm happy with half or more of the talent). If I do see some, I sit, order the drink, and call the mama or oldest waitress over. Tell her my needs, then let her point some out and call them over. Conversation:
me: hi hun whats your name?
girl: rosa. kumasta?
me: fine hun. would you like to possibly barfine with me tonight?
girl: yes (if no, or if she hesitates: thank her and send her back to dance)
me: me too. can you do for me x, y, z tonight and stay till 10am tomorrow?
girl: yes (if other, send her back to dance)
me: go get dressed hun
(NOW buy mama a drink -- she has done her job)
Not very romantic, is it? Jesus dont sit at a table by yourself, you are a target for waitress wanting a LD. Sit at the dance stage, closest to the girls. Dont bother with the mama if you can avoid it, talk directly to the girls. If she says NO to going with you, she will be glad to point out another girl for you to chat with.
There is a notion (that's all it is) that the pinay must feel 'comfortable' before she leaves the bar with a man. That is true. And it is untrue. Some girls must feel this way. Others don't give a flying hiney about that. She just needs the next wallet -- I mean gentleman -- who walks in the door. Even the first set of girls, who normally need to feel 'comfortable' before leaving, will from time to time ignore this need, as her rent is due. If you are one of those gents that thinks the girl sitting with you must feel comfortable with you, then you probably will buy her a LD (or 3) before bothering to ask if she's interested in barfining.
FurryFriend
11-12-10, 02:02
Some bars are ok and others are worst. They often target the single male coming in for a beer and not picking out a lady on stage or buying a LD for the waitress trying to sit next to you and chatting away. They never seem to care or have attitudes when there are 2 or more coming in as a group as they can easily have a conversation with one another without picking anyone in the bar. Sometimes I feel the way you do and often just come in and look around for any good talent and leave without ordering anything. I know they don't like this at all but better than sitting down buying a beer , being a customer and still get an attitude.
Shark
No, the waitresses have this snoty attitude even without entertaining me. I would understand completely if they got friendly and I didn't buy them anything.
And for the girls, if I don't buy a LD, I know they would be disappointed. But at least in the past, they'd be good sports about it. On this trip, they seem more inclined to openly air their displeasure.
Key Master
11-12-10, 04:55
I'm not sure if it's just me, but I detect a sudden rudeness amongst the population. From the hotel staff to the dancers to the waitresses.
Don't trip. It's normal and maybe you are going thru bad streak or just more sensitive about it right now. I've been getting good service on this trip but that's not always the way it goes. Your scenarios are normal in the course of a trip. Just don't let it get to you.
I will be arriving in Angeles soon but knicking off to Bangkok and then returning to angeles during my AC stay. Will go ex Manila not Angeles as I don't like the sound of cancelled Bangkok-Angeles flights.
Can I buy Cebu Pacific Air ticket Manila to Bangkok from travel agents in Angeles? Cause I have found you have a better chance of a better price few days before flight rather than one or two days before flight. Don't like the idea of staying in Manila to get ticket, not my favourite town and do not want to buy online, read on ISG of CPA problems there too, LOL.
Preference would be Kokomos agency, but any in Fields would do. No luck with Mo's website. Now hoping someone at ISG can help me.
1. Buy a Cebu Pacific Air ticket in Angeles itself? Think I should be able to but would like to know in advance.
2. Read on this forum fairly recently, raids etc in connection with "sex trafficking". Has that all cooled down and things back to normal?
Thanks for any information you can offer.
From my experience:
- if you go into a bar alone, a waitress or dancer is more likely to sit beside you and chat you up. Unfortunately, it's usually the ugly/desperate ones that do this. So, I always give them a smile with a "no thanks" and send them off.
- I don't particularly care whether the security guy at the hotel opens the door for me or not.
- Once, at Central Park hotel, I came back at night after a barhop. The policy there is that you leave your keys at reception when you go out. So when I got back, I wanted to pick up my keys from the receptionist. She was busy talking on the phone; on her cellphone, not the hotel's landline. I tell her my room number verbally, and signal two-four (room number) with my fingers. I want my keys! She acts annoyed cause obviously I disturbed her while she is chatting with a friend. Finally, the doorman saves the day by coming over and getting me my keys. Talk about unprofessional.
- One piece of advice given to me by a friend: if it's reasonably late and a hot (big titted) girl is still dancing onstage unpicked, you should be aware. There is probably a good reason why she has not been picked.
I'm in the middle of my fifth trip to Angeles. I've been coming here approximately once every six months.
I'm not sure if it's just me, but I detect a sudden rudeness amongst the population. From the hotel staff to the dancers to the waitresses.
- At Stampede (in the Perimeter), I sat next to four dancers. After a friendly group chat, one of the girls suggested I buy everyone a drink. Of course, I refused (but said I would buy one of them a drink only). They abruptly stopped talking to me and started talking loudly amongst themselves in Tagalog. By their tone and facial expression, I know they were talking trash about me.
- At Pony Tails, when I paid the tab without buying a lady drink, I sensed a similar attitude from the waitress. None of this "thank you for coming" demeanor. I don't fucking believe I left a tip. My typical policy in America when eating at a restaurant is, if a waitress don't thank me, she gets no tip. I need to start doing it here.
- At where I'm staying (Blue Nile), no security guy even opens the door anymore. The hotel staff doesn't greet you when you walk pass. The night time attendant just fumbles through her cellphone.
These are just three of many personal examples.
I'm sure it's not the bar but the employee. For some reason, people have gotten more rude and bold compared to my last trips. Anyone detect something similar? If I can return to Hong Kong tonight, I would. Without the friendliness, there is no advantage to mongering in a third world shithole like this.
is that really new? I tend to believe that this was the case ever since, but I would not go that far to call it 'rude'. On the other hand I can somehow understand that under these circumstances bargirls are not all too pleased and they might wonder why to entertain a customer when he does not pay for a drink. Or am I too sympathetic?
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Not at all. If you don't buy her drink, she has no incentive to entertain you. Fair enough.
What I don't understand though is the indifferent attitude of the dancers. You would think that they would smile/wink/wave at a customer, unless she really isn't interested. I know I would buy her a drink, if she is reasonably goodlooking. But most of them either stare straight ahead, or too busy with the other girls on stage.
I shy away from LD's because they are just gravy money for the bar.
Apparently not in Perimeter bars. The extra cost of the LDs goes to the girls. Quoted from a post on "that other PI board":
Ladies 120 -10% = 108p -50p (girls commish)= 58 less drink cost 10p = 48p for the bar
Local 65 - 10% = 58.5p less drink 10p = 48.5p
Add mamasan commish on the ladies drinks makes another 5p difference between local and ladies
Going out about 11pm and being back in my hotel by 11:30 is not unusual. I'm with Sharka, I walk into a bar (ie, Body Shop) and walk the length of it (or in this case, the 'circle' of it), taking in the girls.
We are a little different then. I love to barhop with buddies. All day and all night long, if people are up for it (and hangover from yesterday allows it).
Although I too do a quick scan of the girls after entering a bar. No point in staying if the talent is lacking.
There is a notion (that's all it is) that the pinay must feel 'comfortable' before she leaves the bar with a man. That is true. And it is untrue. Some girls must feel this way. Others don't give a flying hiney about that. She just needs the next wallet -- I mean gentleman -- who walks in the door. Even the first set of girls, who normally need to feel 'comfortable' before leaving, will from time to time ignore this need, as her rent is due. If you are one of those gents that thinks the girl sitting with you must feel comfortable with you, then you probably will buy her a LD (or 3) before bothering to ask if she's interested in barfining.
I have always bought a LD for the girl while conducting the interview. The way I look at it, even if I don't barfine the girl, I still had fun with her. Especially in Perimeter bars where the girls are a lot friendlier. I may change my MO though. Maybe I will ask the following question in lightning quick fashion before buying a LD:
- virgin?
- mens? can barfine?
- do you like me?
And yes, I am the kind of guy that will only barfine a girl if she likes me too. If she acts stiff, reluctant, or has even the slightest hesitation in answering the question "do you like me", I will not take her. Too many bars and too many girls in AC to put up with something like that.
FurryFriend
11-12-10, 07:16
What I don't understand though is the indifferent attitude of the dancers. You would think that they would smile/wink/wave at a customer, unless she really isn't interested.
It's funny that, even if you're the only one in the bar, most would still pretend not to see you!
I think there are four possible reasons for this...
- In Filipino culture, the ladies are supposed to be submissive, not act as the aggressor
- The Filipinas have noticed that winking doesn't work because the guy picks a girl due to her attractiveness, not her friendliness
- If the Filipinas wave/wink, she will look slutty and cheap which will draw the ire or jealousy of other dancers
- The girls don't do it out of a sense of pride and ego. After all, being up there isn't exactly the most glamorous job
Mr Enternational
11-12-10, 07:54
Our approach is different. I'm not looking to have 'fun' in AC bars when I'm alone. I shy away from LD's because they are just gravy money for the bar. When I'm alone, having fun in the bars is farthest from my mind. I just want to find a girl for the evening. Just like at the end of the evening with my friends, probably I can find a girl by hitting 1 or 2 bars. I'm not the kind to start at 9am and hit 8 bars, get drunk, chat 8 different girls, buy LD's, party in the bar. Going out about 11pm and being back in my hotel by 11:30 is not unusual.You sound like me. It does not take all day and a bunch of money (LDs and shit) to find some pussy. Hell you are going to have to pay for the pussy anyway so why throw away all the extra? As far as starting early at the bars that is why I didn't like AC and Manila. If you are not drinking, fucking, eating, sleeping, or walking in the mall then there is nothing else to do. No activities whatsoever. I have no idea about other parts of PI. But in Pattaya and BKK there is tons to do outside of monger related activities. A female friend of ours actually came to PI with us when we left Hong Kong. She didn't do any research on the place beforehand. The same day that we arrived she realized there wasn't a damn thing to do and she was on the next thing smoking to Thailand.
Mr Enternational
11-12-10, 08:04
Once, at Central Park hotel, I came back at night after a barhop. The policy there is that you leave your keys at reception when you go out. So when I got back, I wanted to pick up my keys from the receptionist. She was busy talking on the phone; on her cellphone, not the hotel's landline. I tell her my room number verbally, and signal two-four (room number) with my fingers. I want my keys! She acts annoyed cause obviously I disturbed her while she is chatting with a friend. Finally, the doorman saves the day by coming over and getting me my keys. Talk about unprofessional.Well for me they were a little too professional at CP. I always use my mongering name when I am out. But in CP everyone knows your real name and they call you by it whenever you pass them. Hello Mr. "Real First Name". The girls were picking up on it fast and calling me out about it.
And for the girls, if I don't buy a LD, I know they would be disappointed. But at least in the past, they'd be good sports about it. On this trip, they seem more inclined to openly air their displeasure.
This is typical of any spoiled girl. The girls get more spoiled every year. Deal with it and spend more money or find another place to monger.
you sound like me. it does not take all day and a bunch of money (lds and shit) to find some pussy. hell you are going to have to pay for the pussy anyway so why throw away all the extra? as far as starting early at the bars that is why i didn't like ac and manila. if you are not drinking, fucking, eating, sleeping, or walking in the mall then there is nothing else to do. no activities whatsoever. i have no idea about other parts of pi. but in pattaya and bkk there is tons to do outside of monger related activities. a female friend of ours actually came to pi with us when we left hong kong. she didn't do any research on the place beforehand. the same day that we arrived she realized there wasn't a damn thing to do and she was on the next thing smoking to thailand.when you guys say "ld" what are you talking about?
thanks for bringing me up to speed.
er
WestCoast1
11-12-10, 15:44
This is typical of any spoiled girl. The girls get more spoiled every year. Deal with it and spend more money or find another place to monger.
Amjeck makes a good point. We are slowly spoiling the girls with tips and LD's.
On a similar note, I ran into gents around the lunch hour at Kokomo's who had never heard of this site (or any similar). I ran into such gents on several different afternoons. They were telling me rotten stories of the girls running or underperforming. Some of the girl's behavior was the gents fault. One gent had been in town almost a month, had a bunch of runners, and no girl had stayed past 6am yet. He was assuming this is the norm, although he was unhappy with it. Another gent assumed AC was a ST place, every girl had left him within a few hours (one girl each night for 5 nights). We are creating a monster here by not complaining to the bar? To each his own opinion on this.
Great tips! I particularly like the one about not sitting alone at the table instead sit down at the dance stage. I'll keep that in mind.
Our approach is different. I'm not looking to have 'fun' in AC bars when I'm alone. Its different when I'm with friends. We chat, drink, watch the eye candy. We hit several bars and a restraunt in the evening. But we wait till the evening is done for us (about 11-12midnight) to finally go find poon. Once we are done and looking for poon, its a quick item for me. 5-10 minutes in almost any bar will do the trick for me. I shy away from LD's because they are just gravy money for the bar.
When I'm alone, having fun in the bars is farthest from my mind. I just want to find a girl for the evening. Just like at the end of the evening with my friends, probably I can find a girl by hitting 1 or 2 bars. I'm not the kind to start at 9am and hit 8 bars, get drunk, chat 8 different girls, buy LD's, party in the bar. Going out about 11pm and being back in my hotel by 11:30 is not unusual. I'm with Sharka, I walk into a bar (ie, Body Shop) and walk the length of it (or in this case, the 'circle' of it), taking in the girls. If I don't see a bunch that I fancy, just walk down a door or two (normally in any given bar I'm happy with half or more of the talent). If I do see some, I sit, order the drink, and call the mama or oldest waitress over. Tell her my needs, then let her point some out and call them over. Conversation:
me: hi hun whats your name?
girl: rosa. kumasta?
me: fine hun. would you like to possibly barfine with me tonight?
girl: yes (if no, or if she hesitates: thank her and send her back to dance)
me: me too. can you do for me x, y, z tonight and stay till 10am tomorrow?
girl: yes (if other, send her back to dance)
me: go get dressed hun
(NOW buy mama a drink -- she has done her job)
Not very romantic, is it? Jesus dont sit at a table by yourself, you are a target for waitress wanting a LD. Sit at the dance stage, closest to the girls. Dont bother with the mama if you can avoid it, talk directly to the girls. If she says NO to going with you, she will be glad to point out another girl for you to chat with.
There is a notion (that's all it is) that the pinay must feel 'comfortable' before she leaves the bar with a man. That is true. And it is untrue. Some girls must feel this way. Others don't give a flying hiney about that. She just needs the next wallet -- I mean gentleman -- who walks in the door. Even the first set of girls, who normally need to feel 'comfortable' before leaving, will from time to time ignore this need, as her rent is due. If you are one of those gents that thinks the girl sitting with you must feel comfortable with you, then you probably will buy her a LD (or 3) before bothering to ask if she's interested in barfining.
FurryFriend
11-12-10, 16:57
I am nearing the end of my fifth (and possibly last) trip to Angeles City. Just some observations about recent developments...
- Despite all that talk about "crackdowns" last month, life on Fields has not changed. Some people reported that each bar is only allowed one door girl. That's absurd. Bars are still employing an army of door girls.
- The taxi ride from the airport has increased to P500. This is bullshit and a way to gouge tourists. Even P300, the old rate, was too expensive. I wouldn't be as pissed if I hadn't found out about the hike until after I entered the taxi. The driver showed me a chart and it indeed showed the increase.
- If I knew about the taxi fare hike, I would have taken the new shuttle service instead for P30. There is a kiosk that sells tickets in the arrival area. I heard it goes from the airport to SM Mall, which then requires a 10 minute walk or a short trike ride to Fields.
- The modernization of the Clark airport appears almost complete! I saw two aerobridges ready for operation. This means, in the near future, passengers don't have to exit the plane by walking down a ramp onto the tarmac (and possibly getting rained on).
- There is heavy police presense everywhere. I think the massacre of Hong Kong tourists in Manila two months ago has gotten the PNP to be more serious about tourist security.
- There is no recession in the bar business. It's getting hard finding a place to sit since they're so packed. But that can be a good thing. You can walk in, walk through the bar and check out the girls before deciding if you wanna sit down and buy a drink. If no girl interests you, you can leave and nobody would notice.
- Despite most bars being absolutely filled with patrons, the number of girls still far outnumbers the patrons.
- Most bars have become flooded with Korean guys. If you walk into a large or medium sized bar, you'll see almost all Asian faces. Like it or not, these guys are getting the youngest and hottest girls. Some on this forum have said that the girls aren't driven by money as much as their desire to find a husband and a ticket out of the Philippines. That is hogwash. It is about money. I assure you Korean guys aren't in Angeles City to bring a bride back to Korea, and they're still getting all the action in Angeles.
- The bar and restaurant workers of Angeles City has become downright rude. Go to Kokomoz and the waitress will not greet you, will not ask if everything is OK and will not thank you for coming (unless you leave a massive tip). The same for Margarita Station. The same with most bars. The only friendly people are the door girls.
The reason this will likely be my final trip is, I find this country to be absolutely depressing. I know people here are in it for the money. But Filipinos take the art of money grubbing to new heights. The deeper I understand their national culture, the more I despise it. I should have tried Pattaya during this trip to Asia.
We are creating a monster here by not complaining to the bar? To each his own opinion on this.
I've complained to a bar(honey pot) about this before and they didn't do anything about it.
Unfortunatley, you can't 'unspoil' women. AC is being flooded by asian mongers who are notorious for ruining prices. This has occurred in most all the good spots in SE Asia already. The only way to enjoy iAC now is to accept it for the way it is and pay the higher prices. Times have changed. Thanks god it's still affordable! Wait another 5 years and prices/service could very well be outrageous.
But Filipinos take the art of money grubbing to new heights. The deeper I understand their national culture, the more I despise it. I should have tried Pattaya during this trip to Asia.
Pattaya is worse IMHO.
our approach is different....going out about 11pm and being back in my hotel by 11:30 is not unusual. ...
holy moses, westcoast, you are truly a 'speed mongerer'! indeed an interesting approach you have! but why not, since 'time is money'! :)
cheers!
hesekiels
Streetlooker
11-12-10, 22:30
holy moses, westcoast, you are truly a 'speed mongerer'! indeed an interesting approach you have! but why not, since 'time is money'! :)
cheers!
hesekiels
westcoast don't mess around good for him. we all have our ways to deal with things so what one does is not wrong to any other way. however westcoast reminded me of a day in the phils a long way back 1988 the 1st time i ever visited this fine city. back then i was young and could fuck like every other hr without much effort( uh the good ol days right fellas). anyway one night after getting drunk off my ass again i found myself without a fuck buddy for the night. i walked in a bar called maverick city( remember it fellas). walked up to the stage looked over the girls saw one i liked pointed to her and paid the bar fine . 3 minutes later we are in a trike going back to my room at the clarkton and up to the room and 5 minutes later we were going at it like 2 jack rabbits. sleep for a few hrs and wake up at 5 am fuck again and off to work i went. gave her trike fare and i never saw her ever again since that was my last day in ac before going back to korea where i was stationed . i frankly do not even know her name nor do i think i even asked lol just a story thought you all like
Irony Monger
11-13-10, 00:11
Ok, so I hate hotel room mini bars, both in terms of price and selection. Are there any decent liquor stores in AC, or should I bring a few bottles in my luggage?
when you guys say "ld" what are you talking about?
thanks for bringing me up to speed.
erld= buying the lady a "lady drink" where she can make some commission on it.
fz
(NOW buy mama a drink. She has done her job)
Not very romantic, is it? Jesus don't sit at a table by yourself, you are a target for waitress wanting a LD. Sit at the dance stage, closest to the girls. Don't bother with the mama if you can avoid it, talk directly to the girls. If she says NO to going with you, she will be glad to point out another girl for you to chat with.Sometimes I don't even bother buying a LD for the mama (or the helpful waitress), I just give her a direct tip as she can pocket all of it for herself without the bar taking a cut of it. I sometimes give 50p (not sure if this is too little but I figure it will be about the same amount she gets from the LD after the bar takes their share)-let me know what you think?
And if I really like the mama or had good previous experience before then give 100p- but this should be the max in my opinion.
And don't forget to offer dancer you just BF a nice meal at Jollibee as they like that kind of treatment.
FZ
Ok, so I hate hotel room mini bars, both in terms of price and selection. Are there any decent liquor stores in AC, or should I bring a few bottles in my luggage?I seem to remember there was a half decent one near checkpoint (between Perimeter and Fields). Never walked the entire SM Mall so unsure if one exist in there.
FZ
- If I knew about the taxi fare hike, I would have taken the new shuttle service instead for P30. There is a kiosk that sells tickets in the arrival area. I heard it goes from the airport to SM Mall, which then requires a 10 minute walk or a short trike ride to Fields.
- There is heavy police presense everywhere. I think the massacre of Hong Kong tourists in Manila two months ago has gotten the PNP to be more serious about tourist security.
- There is no recession in the bar business. It's getting hard finding a place to sit since they're so packed. But that can be a good thing. You can walk in, walk through the bar and check out the girls before deciding if you want to sit down and buy a drink. If no girl interests you, you can leave and nobody would notice.
- Most bars have become flooded with Korean guys. If you walk into a large or medium sized bar, you'll see almost all Asian faces. Like it or not, these guys are getting the youngest and hottest girls. Some on this forum have said that the girls aren't driven by money as much as their desire to find a husband and a ticket out of the Philippines. That is hogwash. It is about money. I assure you Korean guys aren't in Angeles City to bring a bride back to Korea, and they're still getting all the action in Angeles.
The reason this will likely be my final trip is, I find this country to be absolutely depressing. I know people here are in it for the money. But Filipinos take the art of money grubbing to new heights. The deeper I understand their national culture, the more I despise it. I should have tried Pattaya during this trip to Asia.1) Sadly, during my last visit 2 weeks ago, Rumor is the 30p airport shuttle may be coming to an end as it has not taken off with business as they would like and not very convenient trying to use it the other way around as I had alot of trouble trying to book the same shuttle leaving AC for Clark airport. I even ask my hotel and they didn't know either
Perhaps someone here can fill me in on that?
Arrival at Clark: I took it and it was good even with luggage as unlike a regular jeepney, this had AC.
2) No police presence at all when I was there (as I said 2 weeks ago), just the usual 2 cops standing at the entrance of Fields.
3)Bars were not all that packed so walking in and walking out of some of the bars got me noticed
4)Yes, Koreans were out in force and almost always had a hot number hand in hand (somes 2) but they are willing to pay the big bucks for them.
Yes, I too believe they are spoiling the market for the rest of us and in a few years, AC may no longer be a cheap destination for mongering-hope I'm wrong though.
5)Been to Pattaya recently and bad attitudes and runners are there also. The famous slogan of Thailand LOS=land of smiles is just that, a slogan
FZ
amjeck makes a good point. we are slowly spoiling the girls with tips and ld's.
on a similar note, i ran into gents around the lunch hour at kokomo's who had never heard of this site (or any similar). i ran into such gents on several different afternoons. they were telling me rotten stories of the girls running or underperforming. some of the girl's behavior was the gents fault. one gent had been in town almost a month, had a bunch of runners, and no girl had stayed past 6am yet. he was assuming this is the norm, although he was unhappy with it. another gent assumed ac was a st place, every girl had left him within a few hours (one girl each night for 5 nights). we are creating a monster here by not complaining to the bar? to each his own opinion on this.i absolutely agree with you. as i have posted before, i too am a victim of runners and scammers (bad behaving bf ladies).
i don't think people care enough in ac to complain but i always do my part and go back to confront the issue. sure, it may not get the results i wanted but as least i vented out the truth and also always tell them we belong to an online community and always report to others the bad behavior to spread the word--tell them its facebook , tweeters or something(but please don't tell them it is isg--as they will search here for all our answers and then formulate tricks around that).
i may not be the most loved person at that bar for complaining but i don't care as i am already peeved and won't let them get away with it.
fz
Ok, so I hate hotel room mini bars, both in terms of price and selection. Are there any decent liquor stores in AC, or should I bring a few bottles in my luggage?
Well, I think 7eleven has a fair selection. Shampoo, condoms, chocolate and of course different sorts of spirits! :) And IMHO prices are ok!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
- The Filipinas have noticed that winking doesn't work because the guy picks a girl due to her attractiveness, not her friendliness
- If the Filipinas wave/wink, she will look slutty and cheap which will draw the ire or jealousy of other dancersNo, the others won't be jealous because she is winking at you.
Don't let the winking girl fool you though. I once picked one that seemed very friendly and she started by winking at me at the bar. I figured as some have said on this forum that it is sometimes best to have the girl pick you instead. Asked all the proper questions with her .So I gave this a try and man did it backfire. Turns out she was a runner.
FZ
The taxi ride from the airport has increased to P500. This is bullshit and a way to gouge tourists. Even P300, the old rate, was too expensive.It was, but I was usually willing to pay it (though once or twice I walked all the way out and got the jeepney). I'll be damned if I'll pay P500. Boycott the bastards!
One way to get around the Asian male thing is to focus on the smaller bars, especially on Perimeter. It takes longer to find good girls there, but I don't mind the search.
AC can definitely be depressing, especially if you have a run of bad luck with girls or just too much of the kind of crap service you talk about. But I've always kept the faith and gone back, and I've been happy I did. One thing that helps a lot is to go with friends. I find it's not an ideal place to be on your own, but maybe that's just me.
Apparently not in Perimeter bars. The extra cost of the LDs goes to the girls. Quoted from a post on "that other PI board":
Ladies 120 -10% = 108p -50p (girls commish)= 58 less drink cost 10p = 48p for the bar
Local 65 - 10% = 58.5p less drink 10p = 48.5p
Add mamasan commish on the ladies drinks makes another 5p difference between local and ladies
We are a little different then. I love to barhop with buddies. All day and all night long, if people are up for it (and hangover from yesterday allows it).
Although I too do a quick scan of the girls after entering a bar. No point in staying if the talent is lacking.
I have always bought a LD for the girl while conducting the interview. The way I look at it, even if I don't barfine the girl, I still had fun with her. Especially in Perimeter bars where the girls are a lot friendlier. I may change my MO though. Maybe I will ask the following question in lightning quick fashion before buying a LD:
- virgin?
- mens? can barfine?
- do you like me?
And yes, I am the kind of guy that will only barfine a girl if she likes me too. If she acts stiff, reluctant, or has even the slightest hesitation in answering the question "do you like me", I will not take her. Too many bars and too many girls in AC to put up with something like that.
After considerable time in Angeles and making a lot of mistakes. I now follow what an associate has been doing for many years in Angles.
He calls the girl down, asks if she has Menstration? If she likes to go bar fine? and that he will give a good tip. Depending on her response he then buys her one drink.
At first I was shocked at how blunt he was, but if you are there to get laid, he gets to the point.
This is a guy that has bedded more than 800 girls in the past 5 years, so I guess it does not effect the outcome.
I use to throw around 1000's of pesos in drinks and spend my time chatting and getting friendy, but in reality it is a waste of time.
Cheers
Rob Woodrow
11-13-10, 05:33
Ok, so I hate hotel room mini bars, both in terms of price and selection. Are there any decent liquor stores in AC, or should I bring a few bottles in my luggage?
You can get stuff there, but there's no reason not to hit duty free when you have a chance!
Rob Woodrow
11-13-10, 05:37
Can I buy Cebu Pacific Air ticket Manila to Bangkok from travel agents in Angeles?...Buy a Cebu Pacific Air ticket in Angeles itself? Think I should be able to but would like to know in advance.
A flight ticket out of the Philippines is required to be allowed to enter the Philippines. This exit ticket also must be dated before your visa or stamp expires. In the past they weren't real strict about this, but they were during my visits last year. You wouldn't have even been able to board the plane out of your departure country without one.
I am nearing the end of my fifth (and possibly last) trip to Angeles City. Just some observations about recent developments...
- Despite all that talk about "crackdowns" last month, life on Fields has not changed. Some people reported that each bar is only allowed one door girl. That's absurd. Bars are still employing an army of door girls.
- The taxi ride from the airport has increased to P500. This is bullshit and a way to gouge tourists. Even P300, the old rate, was too expensive. I wouldn't be as pissed if I hadn't found out about the hike until after I entered the taxi. The driver showed me a chart and it indeed showed the increase.
- If I knew about the taxi fare hike, I would have taken the new shuttle service instead for P30. There is a kiosk that sells tickets in the arrival area. I heard it goes from the airport to SM Mall, which then requires a 10 minute walk or a short trike ride to Fields.
- The modernization of the Clark airport appears almost complete! I saw two aerobridges ready for operation. This means, in the near future, passengers don't have to exit the plane by walking down a ramp onto the tarmac (and possibly getting rained on).
- There is heavy police presense everywhere. I think the massacre of Hong Kong tourists in Manila two months ago has gotten the PNP to be more serious about tourist security.
- There is no recession in the bar business. It's getting hard finding a place to sit since they're so packed. But that can be a good thing. You can walk in, walk through the bar and check out the girls before deciding if you wanna sit down and buy a drink. If no girl interests you, you can leave and nobody would notice.
- Despite most bars being absolutely filled with patrons, the number of girls still far outnumbers the patrons.
- Most bars have become flooded with Korean guys. If you walk into a large or medium sized bar, you'll see almost all Asian faces. Like it or not, these guys are getting the youngest and hottest girls. Some on this forum have said that the girls aren't driven by money as much as their desire to find a husband and a ticket out of the Philippines. That is hogwash. It is about money. I assure you Korean guys aren't in Angeles City to bring a bride back to Korea, and they're still getting all the action in Angeles.
- The bar and restaurant workers of Angeles City has become downright rude. Go to Kokomoz and the waitress will not greet you, will not ask if everything is OK and will not thank you for coming (unless you leave a massive tip). The same for Margarita Station. The same with most bars. The only friendly people are the door girls.
The reason this will likely be my final trip is, I find this country to be absolutely depressing. I know people here are in it for the money. But Filipinos take the art of money grubbing to new heights. The deeper I understand their national culture, the more I despise it. I should have tried Pattaya during this trip to Asia.
I don't dispute your experience, but question the generalization. I am going to guess you spent most of your time on Fields. Even on Fields, if your impression is the bars are packed, you limited yourself to some of the bigger bars, going to guess Blue Nile, Atlantis and Dollhouse to name a few. If you are speaking of Asian/Korean guests, think it is primarily those bars also. The fact is that most bars are not packed, business is better in November than in previous months, but packed would be an over-statement. The Asians have fallen in love with the Dollhouse group, and yes on many a night Dollhouse and Atlantis are packed with Asians.
I went to Dollhouse a week ago, yes it was packed with Asians, sat there for five minutes and could not get a waitress to take my order. In the past, as a white guy, I've called dancers over who will not sit with me because I am not Asian, and I am not a cheap charlie. BUT, your experience is not reflective of Perimeter road bars. Setting aside a general Filipina laziness, you would be warmly welcomed at most perimeter road bars. Kokomo
is home of the Cheap Charlie, not reflective of much of anything.
You speak of money grubbing. Mate, this is prostitution, P4P. Want a Filipina wife, go to the provinces. Want a one night F..k, pay money. Want a stunner, pay her, want a dog, pay her less. Want every girl on the stage to swoon over you, throw balls, ring bells, throw money, buy ladies drinks. Not to be insulting to you, so will use myself, you think these 18 year old girls are dreaming of my fat ass walking in the door for some other reason than money? You are on a forum called the International Sex Guide, not the Lonely Hearts club. Its a pay for play industry. Sometimes we forget the Pay part and only think of the Play.
Ok, so I hate hotel room mini bars, both in terms of price and selection. Are there any decent liquor stores in AC, or should I bring a few bottles in my luggage?
Personally think it is a waste of space to bring liquor with you, unless you have a unique preference. Wine might be the one exception as you may have to hunt to find a specific quality. When you get here ask the hotel to clear out the mini bar. Go to SM mall the Hypermart. There is a liquor store there, also groceries, stock up on liquor, beer, water, juices, snacks and bring it all back to your room. The girls love it, it saves money, provides a wider selection. I find many of the duty free stores to be more expensive than just buying local.
I always have a bottle of local tequila with me. A couple of shots do wonders in eliminating the natural Filipina shyness.
It was, but I was usually willing to pay it (though once or twice I walked all the way out and got the jeepney). I'll be damned if I'll pay P500. Boycott the bastards!
Some hotels can arrange a ride to/from Clarke airport. Central Park being one. They charge 300 p.
Margarita station also has an airport pickup service. 250-450 p http://www.margaritastation.com/DMIA.html
AC can definitely be depressing, especially if you have a run of bad luck with girls or just too much of the kind of crap service you talk about. But I've always kept the faith and gone back, and I've been happy I did. One thing that helps a lot is to go with friends. I find it's not an ideal place to be on your own, but maybe that's just me.
Yup, my sentiments too. If you are on your own, it's 1 depressing place. Even if I have a GFE girl staying around the clock with me, I find it difficult to have a real conversation with her. They are a bit too simple, poorly educated, not very worldly. It tends to be superficial joking around with the girl, which is a lot of fun too. It's just that you can't do that all day.
A flight ticket out of the Philippines is required to be allowed to enter the Philippines. This exit ticket also must be dated before your visa or stamp expires. In the past they weren't real strict about this, but they were during my visits last year. You wouldn't have even been able to board the plane out of your departure country without one.Thanks for your response, but actually I was most probably saying in an awkward way, can I buy, without getting involved with online stuff, a ticket flying CPA, Manila (not Clark) to Bangkok return, in Angeles. Do Angeles travel agents sell CPA tickets, overseas trips?
I have bought before CPA (Mla. Bangkok return) in Manila, wanted to make sure can buy in Angeles too. Don't want to stay in Manila on arrival Philippines just to buy a ticket. Normally you get better fare if you buy few days before flight. Need to visit Manila, but later on in stay, not on arrival.
Thanks. And nice to see in another post the 'sex trafficking' thing has not upset things much in Angeles. And I agree in a post, Filipinos think short term first, that is money today, koreans today. Marrying a non korean foreigner comes tomorrow, or much later, a distant 2nd priority, LOL.
WestCoast1
11-13-10, 08:53
holy moses, westcoast, you are truly a 'speed mongerer'! indeed an interesting approach you have! but why not, since 'time is money'! :)
cheers!
hesekiels
hahaha. my new nickname. i don't do it to break speed records, but i also don't like to barhop. i spend my days taking st girls, often two-somes from santos. if i'm alone, i read till about 9-10pm, and am often back in my room with a girl in less than an hour. even if i'm not terribly horny i'll get a girl to sleep with. she has no idea when i take her that i'm not going to f*ck her till the morning. on my last trip i didn't barfine as much as i normally do, as i had a phone full of numbers of former barfines, who were willing to come over for an afternoon, or just after their shift ended at midnight. whatta life.
Hi! I've always traveled alone and so do not feel uncomforable being on my on. I like going to AC and doing what I want when I want without depending on others. Just me.
It was, but I was usually willing to pay it (though once or twice I walked all the way out and got the jeepney). I'll be damned if I'll pay P500. Boycott the bastards!
One way to get around the Asian male thing is to focus on the smaller bars, especially on Perimeter. It takes longer to find good girls there, but I don't mind the search.
AC can definitely be depressing, especially if you have a run of bad luck with girls or just too much of the kind of crap service you talk about. But I've always kept the faith and gone back, and I've been happy I did. One thing that helps a lot is to go with friends. I find it's not an ideal place to be on your own, but maybe that's just me.
Irony Monger
11-13-10, 19:23
Personally think it is a waste of space to bring liquor with you, unless you have a unique preference. Wine might be the one exception as you may have to hunt to find a specific quality. When you get here ask the hotel to clear out the mini bar. Go to SM mall the Hypermart. There is a liquor store there, also groceries, stock up on liquor, beer, water, juices, snacks and bring it all back to your room. The girls love it, it saves money, provides a wider selection. I find many of the duty free stores to be more expensive than just buying local.
I always have a bottle of local tequila with me. A couple of shots do wonders in eliminating the natural Filipina shyness.
Thanks everyone for your comments, Matius in particular, because tequila is what I had in mind ;-). I had never thought to ask the hotel to clear out the mini bar...I'll definitely do that on arrival.
Rob Woodrow
11-14-10, 03:09
Thanks for your response, but actually I was most probably saying in an awkward way, can I buy, without getting involved with online stuff, a ticket flying CPA, Manila (not Clark) to Bangkok return, in Angeles. Do Angeles travel agents sell CPA tickets, overseas trips?
I have bought before CPA (Mla. Bangkok return) in Manila, wanted to make sure can buy in Angeles too. Don't want to stay in Manila on arrival Philippines just to buy a ticket. Normally you get better fare if you buy few days before flight. Need to visit Manila, but later on in stay, not on arrival.
I think we may be talking past each other. Let me try this another way:
1) Yes, you can buy a ticket from Manila to Bangkok in AC, no problem. There are several travel agencies that can help you. I have used both Kokomo's and Action Travel. It will usually take a full day to get it, though, so plan ahead.
2) However, you will not be allowed to fly from Bangkok to Manila (or Clark) in the first place without having a return ticket to Bangkok already (or at least some kind of ticket out of the Philippines).
Mr Enternational
11-14-10, 04:12
Even if I have a GFE girl staying around the clock with me, I find it difficult to have a real conversation with her. They are a bit too simple, poorly educated, not very worldly. It tends to be superficial joking around with the girl, which is a lot of fun too. It's just that you can't do that all day.When I went into the casas in Manila I picked out the girl that I wanted and told the papasan. When the girls came to sit with me for the interview process I asked each of them simply, "What do you like to do?" From 3 different girls in 3 different casas I got the same answer, "I don't know." So from then on I thought that these are strictly fucking machines. They serve no other use whatsoever. Hell even an 8 year old can tell you they like skipping rocks, fishing, or eating ice cream.
Mr Enternational
11-14-10, 04:26
You speak of money grubbing. Mate, this is prostitution, P4P. Want a Filipina wife, go to the provinces. Want a one night F..k, pay money. Want a stunner, pay her, want a dog, pay her less. Want every girl on the stage to swoon over you, throw balls, ring bells, throw money, buy ladies drinks. Not to be insulting to you, so will use myself, you think these 18 year old girls are dreaming of my fat ass walking in the door for some other reason than money? You are on a forum called the International Sex Guide, not the Lonely Hearts club. Its a pay for play industry. Sometimes we forget the Pay part and only think of the Play.Maybe he got caught up in a few GFEs and now thinks fantasy is reality. This a good post for less experienced mongers to read every now and then in order to keep them grounded.
I think we may be talking past each other. Let me try this another way:
1) Yes, you can buy a ticket from Manila to Bangkok in AC, no problem. There are several travel agencies that can help you. I have used both Kokomo's and Action Travel. It will usually take a full day to get it, though, so plan ahead.
2) However, you will not be allowed to fly from Bangkok to Manila (or Clark) in the first place without having a return ticket to Bangkok already (or at least some kind of ticket out of the Philippines).Thanks nice and clear. Yep knew about outbound ticket. Always have one.
I only bought at Cebu Pacific Air ticket offices before. Some discount airlines do not allow others to sell tickets on their behalf. Now I know Cebu Pacific do, and in AC. Might use Koko's, nice and handy.
Thanks
Philosophery
11-14-10, 12:16
Gentlemen,
I would appreciate your experience on this matter. Its my first time living in Asia and I plan on mongering between Xmas and New Years.
How is Angeles during the holidays? I am assuming that there will be less bar girls there because of the holidays but is it 20% less or 60% less?
Also are there alot more mongers there? Just trying to make my plans.
... Just trying to make my plans.
It's business as usual! Simply go and enjoy your time there!
Cheers!
Hesekiels
I think we may be talking past each other. Let me try this another way:
1) Yes, you can buy a ticket from Manila to Bangkok in AC, no problem. There are several travel agencies that can help you. I have used both Kokomo's and Action Travel. It will usually take a full day to get it, though, so plan ahead.
2) However, you will not be allowed to fly from Bangkok to Manila (or Clark) in the first place without having a return ticket to Bangkok already (or at least some kind of ticket out of the Philippines).Its already long ago I did my last visit to the Phils, so I wasnt sure about this point anymore. Did I got you guys right? I have to show of a return-ticket to be able to enter the country? I'm this kind of guy who don't like to plan to much in advance and I wasnt sure how long I want to stay in AC and Cebu. So I decide only to book a 1-way ticket to stay more flexible. So isn't enough to show them my return ticket from BKK to europe?
Thanks for reply
When I went into the casas in Manila I picked out the girl that I wanted and told the papasan. When the girls came to sit with me for the interview process I asked each of them simply, "What do you like to do?" From 3 different girls in 3 different casas I got the same answer, "I don't know." So from then on I thought that these are strictly fucking machines. They serve no other use whatsoever. Hell even an 8 year old can tell you they like skipping rocks, fishing, or eating ice cream.
I do not think you understand the depth of the problem. Most of these girls grew up very poor. This is the only reason they do P4P, not to stock up on drugs or they want promiscous lifestyle.
Phi is a male dominated society. You cannot put these girls on par with 8 year old in western countries who are not shy in making their intention known and speaking out. These girls grew up doing whatever the men in their family say without complaining.
Besides when they join the bars, casas etc they are told to be obedient with the customers. What are they going to talk about with a total stranger? Their life story, weather? One thing they know very well is that you picked the girl for sex by paying money. So it is sex you are going to get good or bad. Once they are in the business longer and get more familiar with westerners they tend to open up but it will always be " upto you "
I have seen fresh girls in AC behaving like this with no talk. Once they are there few months they know what they want and demand things.
Give them time.
I believe strongly in treating these young girls lots of compassion and passion.
WestCoast1
11-14-10, 18:28
I do not think you understand the depth of the problem. Most of these girls grew up very poor. This is the only reason they do P4P, not to stock up on drugs or they want promiscous lifestyle.
Phi is a male dominated society. You cannot put these girls on par with 8 year old in western countries who are not shy in making their intention known and speaking out. These girls grew up doing whatever the men in their family say without complaining.
Besides when they join the bars, casas etc they are told to be obedient with the customers. What are they going to talk about with a total stranger? Their life story, weather? One thing they know very well is that you picked the girl for sex by paying money. So it is sex you are going to get good or bad. Once they are in the business longer and get more familiar with westerners they tend to open up but it will always be " upto you "
I have seen fresh girls in AC behaving like this with no talk. Once they are there few months they know what they want and demand things.
Give them time.
I believe strongly in treating these young girls lots of compassion and passion.
Sammon's right. When you ask young provincial girls in a casa "What do you like to do?", they might also confuse that with a sexual question. Specifics. In her mind, you are asking what naughty things she likes to do. There is probably zero chance she will answer this question, for several reasons. First, she probably has no favorite naughty thing she likes. She's not that experienced with a loving boyfriend (just customers). Second, even if there is a specific thing she likes, she's too shy to say that out loud. What you will get is either, "I don't know," or, "Up to you sir."
On the other hand, even if you spoke bisayan or tag and COULD communicate well with her, her life experiences are limited, and you have little in common or little to actually talk about. She has plenty to talk about, with her friends (she can't shut up), but not with you or me. You know the old saying: "Never argue with a pig." First, you can't win the argument, and second, it just annoys the pig. Just go put your seed in the girl. That's what you want, and that's what she wants (so she can get paid and be done with you or me).
When you ask young provincial girls in a casa "What do you like to do?"
Where are these casas?
Fast Buck Artist
11-14-10, 20:18
I am no PhD in social psychology like you folks.. but me thinks these hos were just dumb as a bag of hammers thats all...
Sammon's right. When you ask young provincial girls in a casa "What do you like to do?", they might also confuse that with a sexual question. Specifics. In her mind, you are asking what naughty things she likes to do. There is probably zero chance she will answer this question, for several reasons. First, she probably has no favorite naughty thing she likes. She's not that experienced with a loving boyfriend (just customers). Second, even if there is a specific thing she likes, she's too shy to say that out loud. What you will get is either, "I don't know," or, "Up to you sir."
Sammon's right. When you ask young provincial girls in a casa "What do you like to do?", ... answer: "Up to you sir."
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... and this is exactly the right answer, isn't it!? :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Rubberyman
11-15-10, 00:05
When I went into the casas in Manila I picked out the girl that I wanted and told the papasan. When the girls came to sit with me for the interview process I asked each of them simply, "What do you like to do?" From 3 different girls in 3 different casas I got the same answer, "I don't know." So from then on I thought that these are strictly fucking machines. They serve no other use whatsoever. Hell even an 8 year old can tell you they like skipping rocks, fishing, or eating ice cream.
Well, I guess it depends on a lot of things. Let's say you go to McDonalds back home, you have a menu, you give the order, you pay, you eat and leave. You don't get a philosophical conversation with the people taking your order. The person flipping the burgers may be doing a college degree, but they aren't getting paid to have a conversation past, 'have a nice day', and 'do you want fries with that?'
If you want a multi-lingual person who is prepared to pretend to care about what it is you want and engage in a discussion on that subject, you have to pay far more than you will in a Casa. If you want them to talk about stuff, offer them enough $$$ and I bet there are plenty who will. Put another way, why should they bother with you other than for the transaction? Do you think they want to talk to you? Truly? They want you in, out, in, out, in, out and then pay - all as quick as possible, and talking to you means that maybe they miss out on the next customer. So, lack of conversation is actually the smart option in that business. Just as minimal talk via scripted pleasantries is part of the business model of McDonalds.
Oh, and Fast Buck Artist, the place is littered with stories of how some of these ho's can make big money by scamming mug punters. On both sides, ho and punter, there are the predatory cats, and the fat 'dumb as a bag of hammers' buffalos. It is nature's way of redistributing wealth and semen. :)
WestCoast1
11-15-10, 03:03
Amjeck your PM box is full. Can't PM you.
Fast Buck Artist
11-15-10, 03:32
Oh, and Fast Buck Artist, the place is littered with stories of how some of these ho's can make big money by scamming mug punters. On both sides, ho and punter, there are the predatory cats, and the fat 'dumb as a bag of hammers' buffalos. It is nature's way of redistributing wealth and semen. :)
Oh mate, in my sexperience, most working girls have a brain the size of a peanut and will screw up the most basic tasks such as "Meet me at the Mall ground floor at 9pm" - she'll show up at the wrong mall, wrong floor, 1hour late, with no load in the phone.
So lets not overanalyze this crap.. if it walks like a dumb ho and quacks like a dumb ho, it might be a future science genius in need of an education, but the sad truth is, it's just a stupid ho.
Mr Enternational
11-15-10, 04:24
So lets not overanalyze this crap.. if it walks like a dumb ho and quacks like a dumb ho, it might be a future science genius in need of an education, but the sad truth is, it's just a stupid ho.I agree with what everyone is saying. It's just that I have different criteria for ST and LT. If I'm going for 1 round or a quickie with a SW I could care less if she opens her mouth or what she knows or thinks. But if I am choosing for LT (overnight) GFE then I want my hos to have some type of personality. This stems from mongering in Rio and Pattaya with FL where most of the time the girls won't leave on their own but you have to kick them out or whip out some money so they know it is time to leave (it was the same for me with the FL in AC). When I'm doing the GFE I like to do shit like go to the beach, movies, bowling, sight see (I love using them for tour guides), or whatever. So I want to see if there is any sort of chemistry before I make a commitment to LT. The hole and heartbeat (heartbeat optional) is fine if for just a quick fuck. But for LT I need some type of chemistry; hence the interview process where I am more selective.
Tally Wacker
11-15-10, 04:31
Quite the typical self proclaimed international mr wonderful. i would stroke your ego a little but it seems your doing ok.
I agree with what everyone is saying. It's just that I have different criteria for ST and LT. If I'm going for 1 round or a quickie with a SW I could care less if she opens her mouth or what she knows or thinks. But if I am choosing for LT (overnight) GFE then I want my hos to have some type of personality. This stems from mongering in Rio and Pattaya with FL where most of the time the girls won't leave on their own but you have to kick the girls out or pay them so they know it is time to leave (it was the same for me with the FL in AC). When I'm doing the GFE I like to do shit like go to the beach, movies, bowling, sight see (I love using them for tour guides), or whatever. So I want to see if there is any sort of chemistry before I make a commitment to LT. The hole and heartbeat (heartbeat optional) is fine if for just a quick fuck. But for LT I need some type of chemistry; hence the interview process.
Oh mate, in my sexperience, most working girls have a brain the size of a peanut and will screw up the most basic tasks such as "Meet me at the Mall ground floor at 9pm" - she'll show up at the wrong mall, wrong floor, 1hour late, with no load in the phone.
So lets not overanalyze this crap.. if it walks like a dumb ho and quacks like a dumb ho, it might be a future science genius in need of an education, but the sad truth is, it's just a stupid ho.
I agree this gfe stuff is just bull shit. These girls are only interested in money and which dumb ass will send them monthly western union, while they pretend to be at home or going to school.
Some girls are more devious or better actress and better earners, but at the end of the day a ***** is a *****.
Why even pretend that a prostitute working Fields is anything but a prostitute.
To say they are small brained would be a compliment.
Have fun enjoy them but keep it in perspective..
................. will screw up the most basic tasks such as "Meet me at the Mall ground floor at 9pm" - she'll show up at the wrong mall, wrong floor, 1hour late, with no load in the phone.
I haven't always seen eye-to-eye with your philosophy about Filipinas or Filipino life F B A but I have to agree with you on your comments about meeting places and times.
Geography is not taught as a subject in schools here and so the population has great difficulty in orientating themselves in terms of space-time relationships. They find it difficult to place themselves in terms of where they are.
Conversation on cp with girl who is already 20 mins late for a meeting in SM Megamall:
Me: Where are you?
Her: I'm here now.
Me: Where is here?
Her: By the escalator
Me: Ummmmmm. Which escalator? There are many.
Her: The one in SM Department Store
Me: But which one? Which floor are you on?
Her: Ladies wear
Me: so which floor is that?
Her: Don't know
Me: But I said we would meet outside Jolibees on Ground Floor
Her: I don't know where it is
Me: I told you yesterday. It is next to the Main Door leading to EDSA. You came in that door.
Her: Ohhh. I never saw it.
Me. So are we going to meet today or not?
Her. Just wait there and I will meet you
Me: Wait where? I haven't told you where I am......
I eventually met her and it turned out OK (for a couple of hours).
She was not the sharpest knife in the drawer so I will not be trying to meet her again LOL.
Oh mate, in my sexperience, most working girls have a brain the size of a peanut and will screw up the most basic tasks such as "Meet me at the Mall ground floor at 9pm" - she'll show up at the wrong mall, wrong floor, 1hour late, with no load in the phone.
So lets not overanalyze this crap.. if it walks like a dumb ho and quacks like a dumb ho, it might be a future science genius in need of an education, but the sad truth is, it's just a stupid ho.
Here is a jaded view, lets talk about almost any normal American, Australian or European girl, after a month or two of f..king them, is there anything really of interest they have to say. Rather have a Filipina girl who's vocabulary is limited to "you want boom boom now", "oh, you so big", to just about anything one of those educated western women have to say. Stimulating conversation and brains in the bedroom, sorry I will pass.
Think we also have to categorize their intelligence. They may not know anything about world politics, or even how to give street directions. But they have a lot of street smarts, as I see them negotiate sponsorship with many educated foreigners. A lot of guys sending money to their favorite Filipina in the province and in the bars, so they can sleep with other men.
Gentlemen,
I would appreciate your experience on this matter. Its my first time living in Asia and I plan on mongering between Xmas and New Years.
How is Angeles during the holidays? I am assuming that there will be less bar girls there because of the holidays but is it 20% less or 60% less?
Also are there alot more mongers there? Just trying to make my plans.
Leading up to Christmas and New Year's day, tourist season increases. Expect higher numbers of tourists beginning from October through April. Many of the girls hang around through New Year's day, due to the increase in tourists and needing Christmas money for home. The first two weeks of January slow down considerably as the tourists go home, many of the girls also head for the provinces. There will be plenty of girls though, those staying in Angeles, plus less tourists during the first couple of weeks. Most of the girls are back around the first of February and the tourists filter back in also.
But they have a lot of street smarts, as I see them negotiate sponsorship with many educated foreigners. A lot of guys sending money to their favorite Filipina in the province and in the bars, so they can sleep with other men.
Women always have and always will be able to turn a educated man into a fool!
Why even pretend that a prostitute working Fields is anything but a prostitute.
Fools will be fools! Think with your heart and you'll end up with heart disease!
Shanghai Blues
11-15-10, 15:48
Once they are in the business longer and get more familiar with westerners they tend to open up but it will always be " upto you "
I have seen fresh girls in AC behaving like this with no talk. Once they are there few months they know what they want and demand things. Give them time.
I believe strongly in treating these young girls lots of compassion and passion.I am sure that everyday thousand of girls in the Philippines are saying stuff like: "The westerners who come to the Phil to f**k us are all dumb-asses. Nothing to talk about except beer, sport and how bitchy women are in the west. They get drunk, they are rude, they have no life. God, when I am with them the only answer to their stupid questions I can give them is "up to you" and "yes sir". For Christ's sake, do they think I want to talk to them after they just f**ked me in the a**? Just give me the money and go back to your country, you lousy fat bastard. "
Member #4698
11-15-10, 17:20
Women always have and always will be able to turn a educated man into a fool!
This has been true from the beginning of time. There are plenty of versions of the myth, found in the legends and stories of every civilization. It is in the bible for Christ sake in the story of “Samson and Delilah" Book of Judges. It was a favorite subject for Balzac, the great French writer and Jean Renoir’s film “La Bête humaine” or “Judas Was a Woman” is another classic on the subject. And in America an entire genre of films sprang up "Film Noir" to work the subject.
But my favorite telling of the tale is "Der Blaue Engel" (1930) directed by von Sternberg and starring Marlene Dietrich. Great movie! What a *****. What a fool.
Member #4698
11-15-10, 22:04
And let's not forget Salome and her dance of seven veils. The icon of dangerous female seductiveness.
Rubberyman
11-16-10, 07:17
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So lets not overanalyze this crap.. if it walks like a dumb ho and quacks like a dumb ho, it might be a future science genius in need of an education, but the sad truth is, it's just a stupid ho.
Oh, I am not disagreeing with you in the main - or even trying to analyse (let alone over analyse).
I suppose I am making the observation that you can perhaps read some of the posts on various boards by punters, and come to the same conclusion about some punters not being that clever. You know, the ones that fall in love (don't, it sticks to your face), or those that send money so their honey ko doesn't work (ho ho ho), or those that overpay for no reason. Stupidity comes in many guises, and sometimes those that think they are the smartest get the biggest shake down.
I don't speak a lot of tagalog, but I do understand when I hear them chatting and saying things like 'ng balena ko' or 'ng ATM ko' splattered throughout the conversation. (my whale or my ATM).
So I am just observing that some of them think we are dumb as dogsh*t punters who are whales and ATMs, just the same as some people here think of them as dumb as dogsh*t ho's.
Having said that, I suspect that a lot of them play the part a bit. After all, it is hardly in her interest to show it IF a girl is smarter than her ATM. Surely her best strategy is to let her whale think he is the smart one. Just for fun every now and then when I am bored with bonking (after a week or so it gets that way, and I am sure expats get to the ho hum stage after a year or so), I ask a waitress to pick out the smartest girl in the bar so I can buy her a drink. I have had some very pleasant surprises. Which leads me to think that sometimes some of them just dumb themselves down to a bit dumber than they think their ATM is.
Philosophery
11-17-10, 08:39
Leading up to Christmas and New Year's day, tourist season increases. Expect higher numbers of tourists beginning from October through April. Many of the girls hang around through New Year's day, due to the increase in tourists and needing Christmas money for home. The first two weeks of January slow down considerably as the tourists go home, many of the girls also head for the provinces. There will be plenty of girls though, those staying in Angeles, plus less tourists during the first couple of weeks. Most of the girls are back around the first of February and the tourists filter back in also.
Thanks Matius. You are a gentleman.
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.
But if I am choosing for LT (overnight) GFE then I want my hos to have some type of personality. This stems from mongering in Rio and Pattaya with FL where most of the time the girls won't leave on their own but you have to kick them out or whip out some money so they know it is time to leave (it was the same for me with the FL in AC). .Although this is not the thread for this but just have to comment. Never been to Rio so don't know, but been to Pattaya many times and the FL I picked up were usually out the door when the deed is done to look for more suckers to milk money out of. So. I guess you were very lucky there.
FZ
. Wine might be the one exception .No kidding, I had a glass of wine in AC and I nearly choked to death as it was just awful. Never order wine in AC unless you see the bottle (hopefully unopen as it could've sat there for months) and know the label and the quality. Stick with beer or mix drinks, its safer.
FZ
. Kokomo
is home of the Cheap Charlie, not reflective of much of anything.Can you clarify this as I've eaten at Kokomo a few times, so am I consider a cheap charlie for eating there? Did see 2 FL while I was eating but the FL are never there in any great numbers or quality.
FZ
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.
First of all if you do meet her make sure its no where near her crazy family, as they will all be in line for a piece of you.
If she was working in the bar you can ad your name to a long list of other potential fathers.
However there are paternity tests available and I seem to recall a service in Angeles or Manila that used a USA based lab.
If you are indeed the father....step up to the plate.
Good Luck
Irony Monger
11-20-10, 06:28
First of all if you do meet her make sure its no where near her crazy family, as they will all be in line for a piece of you.
If she was working in the bar you can ad your name to a long list of other potential fathers.
However there are paternity tests available and I seem to recall a service in Angeles or Manila that used a USA based lab.
If you are indeed the father....step up to the plate.
Good Luck
Agreed. You might want to do some reading in Dragon Slayer's forum and see how he supports his kids in PI...and still manages to bed half the women in Davao in his spare time :-)
Can you clarify this as I've eaten at Kokomo a few times, so am I consider a cheap charlie for eating there? Did see 2 FL while I was eating but the FL are never there in any great numbers or quality.
FZ
The bar and restaurant workers of Angeles City has become downright rude. Go to Kokomoz and the waitress will not greet you, will not ask if everything is OK and will not thank you for coming (unless you leave a massive tip). The same for Margarita Station. The same with most bars. The only friendly people are the door girls.
Freezone, above is the section of the post from the member I was responding to. His point was the lack of service from staff and cited Kokomoz. My response was in relation to the guys that generally populate the street side seating area not being known as big spenders or tippers. Perhaps the lack of enthusiasim of the waitresses. I often wonder why guys would sit at that venue, no airconditioning, ordinary food, positioned right next to an open sewer drain (that has an awful stench), harrassed continually by vendors and beggars, and in the open with all the pollution and noise from passing traffic..then they are eating their food there. I wonder the same about almost all these outdoor venues. In relation to your being a Cheap Charlie, how could I know, just the reputation the outside venue has.
FurryFriend
11-20-10, 09:11
I often wonder why guys would sit at that venue, no airconditioning, ordinary food, positioned right next to an open sewer drain (that has an awful stench), harrassed continually by vendors and beggars, and in the open with all the pollution and noise from passing traffic..then they are eating their food there.
Because it has a nice view and an ideal place for people watching.
Mr Enternational
11-21-10, 01:45
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.LOL. She is trying to fucking play you. Tell her that you will be there December 12 and you have already found a doctor for the test and you will bring your own test kit just to be sure. That should cut all the shit. She may try to reverse it and say that you have to use her doctor. Then you will know she is full of shit.
FurryFriend
11-21-10, 02:12
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.
Is it possible that you're really the father? Were you really dumb enough to have unprotected intercourse? If so, you are morally responsible and you should support.
If not, then I would fuck with her. Ask her for the Western Union number and tell her you'll send money. But don't do it. Let her go nuts going to the Western Union office over and over and having her argue with the Western Union employee.
Mr Enternational
11-21-10, 03:12
Is it possible that you're really the father? Were you really dumb enough to have unprotected intercourse? If so, you are morally responsible and you should support.
If not, then I would fuck with her. Ask her for the Western Union number and tell her you'll send money. But don't do it. Let her go nuts going to the Western Union office over and over and having her argue with the Western Union employee.I kind of want to laugh. These types of things happen when you exchange personal info with a hooker (assuming it's a working girl we are talking about). I prefer the I'll contact you; there is no reason for you to need to contact me method. I just hope it was not his main email address that he gave her, not to mention his real name or other info.
MarkFalcon33
11-21-10, 07:47
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.
Just look up DNA testing and you will find ways to find out if the baby is yours.
OR
Send money and then cancel after you copy all the information. This way you can send her all the correct info but will not show canceled. YES, have done it before so know it works. The one I sent to went 4 times. Laughing
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.
If it's theoretically possible that I'm indeed the father, I'd go for the test.
If it's my kid I wouldn't want him/her to grow up in lousy conditions
somewhere in Samar.
My 2 Sen
Econo Tech
11-21-10, 10:27
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.You could simply do one thing: locate a PI. Ask the guy to pay a visit, personally, and collect a DNA sample and then issue a letter to tell her to wait for the DNA results before further action.
Never meet her. Though some have ignored that advice and then some have found out that miraculously the baby wasn't their's. Maybe the girl found another sucker. Or found a dumb-twit fellow Filipino to accept the baby. Happens all the time. As much as the filipinos fuck and leave they also take ownership as long as they are 'in love' after all the country believes every romance novel.
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.
Why would she wait nine months before disclosing something so important?
I'd follow up to clear my conscience. But I'd proceed with caution.
Mr Enternational
11-21-10, 15:50
Why would she wait nine months before disclosing something so important?
I'd follow up to clear my conscience. But I'd proceed with caution.Because she had to wait until it finished baking to see who it came out looking like.
As bad as women say that guys are they also do some scandalous shit. When I was in the Navy fucking a non-pro in San Diego she got pregnant and told me. However she was in love with another guy. She told me the baby was not mine when she first found out she was pregnant. I'm thinking how the hell does she know that and it's not even born yet. But I guess because she wanted to keep him and I was a fling she would say it was his by default.
(Another thing to tell the Filipina is that it is impossible for you to have children because you had surgery and see how she reacts to that.)
WestCoast1
11-21-10, 18:01
Were you really dumb enough to have unprotected intercourse?
That would be his/her biz. The problem is, as with any acusation of paternity by a girl, without a DNA test, there's no telling who the daddy is. Many of these girls do unscrupulous things (as pointed out), such as accusing every man she's slept with of fathering her child. Several kano and 2 pinoy sending her remittance is not unheard of (in fact, bragged about amongst friends).
In the mode of 'playing along until the last minute':
Some years ago I was seeing my american girlfriend. We broke up. Few months later, out of the blue, I get served with court papers. She's pregnant and asking a judge for a paternity order. Complete shock for me, as we had been apart for months, and I had a vasectomy years before. The court date was two weeks out. Her mom called me a few days later:
mom: hey, she's gonna need some money for the doctor visits you know. you're gonna need to pony up here.
me: ah... I just found out she's pregnant with the court papers. why didn't anyone call me?
mom: i thought you knew she was pregnant when you guys broke up?
me: nah, no clue. this is all new to me.
mom: well regardless, you need to start helping her
me: no. how can you be sure its mine?
mom: (yelling) you know this baby's yours! you know she doesn't sleep around! blah blah blah...
The court date rolls around. I show up in court with my zero-motility test from the doctor's office. I listen to her lawyer tell the judge that they are asking me to pay for her medical expenses, the DNA testing, and other fees including his lawyer's fees. When it was my turn to speak, I asked the judge if we could find out from the girl the names of all the men she was sleeping with around that time, so we could have them all tested. The judge didn't comply with that, but he did ask if it was possible there might be other father candidates. My former girlfriend replied, "No sir. No chance." Ouch. I then asked the judge to look at my zero-motility test from the doctor's office and told him I'd had a vasectomy year's before. Her mom nearly fainted. Court order for paternity test denied.
Similar instance with a pinay a few years ago. Few weeks after I took her to Bohol for 5 days, she's late with her period. Later, clearly pregnant. I played the happy new father, waiting for her to ask for money. Yap, about a month later she wanted pesos for a doctor's visit. I told her that I would consider sending it, but wanted to chat her mom on cam first (I never met her mom, just saw her in the background on cam sometimes). The girl was hesitant with that, but wanted the pesos. We set a time and mom was on the cam. Her typing was extremely slow and attrocious. We switched to microphone. I asked mom if the girl had other boyfriends she was sleeping with, cano or local. "No. Only a boy she go to bar with some friends. No other." I explained about my vasectomy. I showed her on cam my doctor's office test and offered to mail it to her. She took off the headset thing, gave my gf a nasty look, and walked away. My gf came on and insisted that I send her a copy of the test, and accused me of lying. At first. Then fessed up to the local boy being a lover.
Why, in each case, not speak up right away with the vasectomy info? Because you are dealing with a liar (each was sleeping with another, and accusing one of her lovers -- or both -- that he is the father, when she has no idea). What better way to call a spade a spade?
Barfine, one last thing. I tried to PM you, but can't. I'm guessing you have not paid the subscription here. Several gents have done this recenltly, asking for advice, but are not paid members. Its hard to respect that. Spend the $20/year if you want our advice or help.
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.
All mongers who have been to Phi have done unprotected sex with normal girls. Anyway for future reference get her on the pill which is easily available. Let the girl buy it. I use this method. Two tablets first day and one a day for the rest of the visit and continue for 4-5 days more. Never had a accident.
If this girl is a bargirl, why do you keep in contact? There is no reason to keep in touch.
Anyway ask yourself if you want to do the right thing?
If so you can get the DNA test done in many of the clinics or anonymously if you take the saliva sample with a swab and put it in a glass container and take back to your country. If the test comes negative you are in the clear. If it comes positive , then what?
If you go to the embassy to sponsor the baby only it has to be done before 18 years old. What do you do with the mother? Only way she can come is if you marry her. Will the child leave her mother to be with you?
Yes, you can send her support money for 18 years or more. But getting her out of Phi comes with its own problems.
To all: many thanks for your feedback! Yes, first of all it could be possible that I am the father. Secondly, and this is the worst part, the hotel staff disclosed all my private data like e-mail address etc to this bargirl! And now I fear that she could start blackmailing me since she knows that I have family. Stupidly I have sent already twice some supporting money to her. But I fear that if I stop it then she could contact my family and then I would be in deepest shit. I know that I am an idiot, but now I am really so damn scared, can't sleep and don't know what to do. And if I would meet her again, let's say for a test, who knows if she does not use this moment to come with brothers, friends or police in order to screw me up.
If you try to barfine a girl without buying her any drink. She will say she is having her "mens". I suspect it is the bar policy. The bar wants to make some extra money. They charge $300 peso for lady drinks. However, after buying ladydrinks for some girls, the fun usually begins.
I brought a ladydrink for a cherry girl without knowing it at first at Camerlot. Too bad, she was cute and her skin was so smooth. Barfining her friend instead. She is ok tho'.
La Bamba has beautiful girls. Just my luck barfining a girl having her period which she didn't let me know. Not much fun but she has a nice body.
Bunny Ranch also has many pretty girls. These will be the bars I will hit next time I go there. Hopefully soon.
Econo Tech
11-22-10, 05:21
To all: many thanks for your feedback! Yes, first of all it could be possible that I am the father. Secondly, and this is the worst part, the hotel staff disclosed all my private data like e-mail address etc to this bargirl! And now I fear that she could start blackmailing me since she knows that I have family. Stupidly I have sent already twice some supporting money to her. But I fear that if I stop it then she could contact my family and then I would be in deepest shit. I know that I am an idiot, but now I am really so damn scared, can't sleep and don't know what to do. And if I would meet her again, let's say for a test, who knows if she does not use this moment to come with brothers, friends or police in order to screw me up.Firstly. The hotel had no right to do that.
And secondly, are you sure it was the hotel? I know filipinas are not dumb as painted, and while you are sleeping they would have done their search and record.
Anyway, mostly it is hot air. Trying to threaten. And secondly, refuse to meet her. Unless and until the baby is born and tested nobody can demand shit.
Get a PI. Or look up a lawyer back home. They will have a counterpart lawyer to meet and get the DNA sample.
Dang. You seem very stressed.
Econo Tech
11-22-10, 06:35
Because she had to wait until it finished baking to see who it came out looking like.Nah. I am going to dispute that. She waited 9 months to narrow down the 'best choice' sucker.
As bad as women say that guys are they also do some scandalous shit. When I was in the Navy fucking a non-pro in San Diego she got pregnant and told me. However she was in love with another guy. She told me the baby was not mine when she first found out she was pregnant. I'm thinking how the hell does she know that and it's not even born yet. But I guess because she wanted to keep him and I was a fling she would say it was his by default.Well, to be honest, from a non-whoring scene. I know enough girls, including Filipinas, who swear "mummy knows who is the father" and also had a couple who knew the legal husband wasn't the father of the baby, even though the dates were a bit muddled up. But then again. The choice of best support for the child + mummy and possibly the whole barangay rears it's head.
(Another thing to tell the Filipina is that it is impossible for you to have children because you had surgery and see how she reacts to that.)Standard Operating procedure: She will tell that your document is fake, then swear you are a liar (damn, that's one word filipinos love.) and then swear you will rot in hell and karma and all that. And then swear you have a fake certificate since it is not notarised by a Filipino Attorney. There you go. But no harm trying. Or even better. Get a doctor to write up a report saying the sperm count / reproductive health on your sperm was extremely low to the extent of no-chance- The doctor will not get into trouble as there is a case of 'at the time of testing. ' and sure this can defenitely set alarm bells ringing at the Philippine end as to how can a guy who is virtually impotent get the girl preggy.
There you go.
I know that I am an idiot.
She does too!
Your story reads like pure fiction but if true, you only have one option and that's to keep sending her money. This chick is way too smart for you to compete with.
SirBoneman
11-22-10, 13:05
I received the following mail:. I am in Samar and gave birth to a baby girl. You are certainly the father, so send me money to support your daughter! And when you are next time in the Philippines I want a test for a prove!. What shall I do? I think it would not be a great idea to meet her again because it might be slightly risky? Any advice is highly appreciated.Question: The girl in question is her name Michell?. She has sisters that work in Angeles City. If so, I know her. If not, could be you, mine, guy next to you in bar or just dust in the wind. I been almost played (by other girls) but had investigation to prove otherwise. So is the name Michelle? If so, the fathers name is Adam.
Secondly, and this is the worst part, the hotel staff disclosed all my private data like e-mail address etc to this bargirl!
Which hotel was this?
Fast Buck Artist
11-22-10, 15:07
To all: many thanks for your feedback! Yes, first of all it could be possible that I am the father. Secondly, and this is the worst part, the hotel staff disclosed all my private data like e-mail address etc to this bargirl! And now I fear that she could start blackmailing me since she knows that I have family. Stupidly I have sent already twice some supporting money to her. But I fear that if I stop it then she could contact my family and then I would be in deepest shit. I know that I am an idiot, but now I am really so damn scared, can't sleep and don't know what to do. And if I would meet her again, let's say for a test, who knows if she does not use this moment to come with brothers, friends or police in order to screw me up.
Calm down... I dont know any woman who would wait 9 months until giving the father "The News".. this is a bargirl, she sleeps with 100's of men.. its not necessarily yours... she might be sending that mail to every guy she has unprotected sex with hoping to find a cash cow.
- Do the paternity test and see what the result is
- If the kid is indeed yours, help her out
- Use the condom next time!
which hotel was this?
lol i would like to know that too...
i think you are stressing out for nothing by the way. like the previous poster said i don't know of any women that would wait 9 months to tell the father she is prago... she is playing you.
Lol hotel, I would like to know that too.It was Lewis Grand. I booked for 4 days and made my reservation via e-mail, so all my data are of course still in their IT system. I was told by her that she knows some girls who work at this place. Her name is Sharon.
Great post! I had a similar problem with a filipina in Hong Kong. At one point she tried to tell me that she was late and probably pregnant. She was pretty shocked when I told her that she needed to look elswhere for a sugar daddy because I had a vasectomy five years earlier. I have four children from previous marriages and don't need more children and that was the reason form my having the vasectomy. For me, it ist the best form of contraception. Don't have to stop in the middle of the act to strap on the rubber. :-)
That would be his/her biz. The problem is, as with any acusation of paternity by a girl, without a DNA test, there's no telling who the daddy is. Many of these girls do unscrupulous things (as pointed out), such as accusing every man she's slept with of fathering her child. Several kano and 2 pinoy sending her remittance is not unheard of (in fact, bragged about amongst friends).
In the mode of 'playing along until the last minute':
Some years ago I was seeing my american girlfriend. We broke up. Few months later, out of the blue, I get served with court papers. She's pregnant and asking a judge for a paternity order. Complete shock for me, as we had been apart for months, and I had a vasectomy years before. The court date was two weeks out. Her mom called me a few days later:
mom: hey, she's gonna need some money for the doctor visits you know. you're gonna need to pony up here.
me: ah... I just found out she's pregnant with the court papers. why didn't anyone call me?
mom: i thought you knew she was pregnant when you guys broke up?
me: nah, no clue. this is all new to me.
mom: well regardless, you need to start helping her
me: no. how can you be sure its mine?
mom: (yelling) you know this baby's yours! you know she doesn't sleep around! blah blah blah...
The court date rolls around. I show up in court with my zero-motility test from the doctor's office. I listen to her lawyer tell the judge that they are asking me to pay for her medical expenses, the DNA testing, and other fees including his lawyer's fees. When it was my turn to speak, I asked the judge if we could find out from the girl the names of all the men she was sleeping with around that time, so we could have them all tested. The judge didn't comply with that, but he did ask if it was possible there might be other father candidates. My former girlfriend replied, "No sir. No chance." Ouch. I then asked the judge to look at my zero-motility test from the doctor's office and told him I'd had a vasectomy year's before. Her mom nearly fainted. Court order for paternity test denied.
Similar instance with a pinay a few years ago. Few weeks after I took her to Bohol for 5 days, she's late with her period. Later, clearly pregnant. I played the happy new father, waiting for her to ask for money. Yap, about a month later she wanted pesos for a doctor's visit. I told her that I would consider sending it, but wanted to chat her mom on cam first (I never met her mom, just saw her in the background on cam sometimes). The girl was hesitant with that, but wanted the pesos. We set a time and mom was on the cam. Her typing was extremely slow and attrocious. We switched to microphone. I asked mom if the girl had other boyfriends she was sleeping with, cano or local. "No. Only a boy she go to bar with some friends. No other." I explained about my vasectomy. I showed her on cam my doctor's office test and offered to mail it to her. She took off the headset thing, gave my gf a nasty look, and walked away. My gf came on and insisted that I send her a copy of the test, and accused me of lying. At first. Then fessed up to the local boy being a lover.
Why, in each case, not speak up right away with the vasectomy info? Because you are dealing with a liar (each was sleeping with another, and accusing one of her lovers -- or both -- that he is the father, when she has no idea). What better way to call a spade a spade?
Barfine, one last thing. I tried to PM you, but can't. I'm guessing you have not paid the subscription here. Several gents have done this recenltly, asking for advice, but are not paid members. Its hard to respect that. Spend the $20/year if you want our advice or help.
I set up meetings with regular filipinas before I go to the Phils (P4P is my third line of backup).
I always tell them in advance that I have had a vasectomy, so I can not make them pregnant.
This has two effects: the first is that they are relaxed about sex as soon as we are together, because we have already talked about it; and second, they know that any paternity claim is futile.
Saves potential hassles and risks.
G
It was Lewis Grand. I booked for 4 days and made my reservation via e-mail, so all my data are of course still in their IT system. I was told by her that she knows some girls who work at this place. Her name is Sharon.
First the Lewis Grand is the worst hotel for customer service in AC:(
Which bar did you get her in? I will be in AC Friday night and I will go in and ask for her and see what her friends say about her and I promise they will tell all:D
I got a text yesterday from a girl who's girlfriend was taken out of bar and sent home on Western Union. Well he is back in AC (:D) and the dumb ass goes into her bar and bar fines three girls (her friends) and then can't understand how she knew he was in town?????
Robb
Irony Monger
11-22-10, 23:32
It was Lewis Grand. I booked for 4 days and made my reservation via e-mail, so all my data are of course still in their IT system. I was told by her that she knows some girls who work at this place. Her name is Sharon.
You know, you usually don't have to give all your real info to a hotel to book a room. A temporary email address, a cheap PI cell phone SIM #, and an anonymous Visa gift card with several hundred dollars on it will usually do the trick.
Tally Wacker
11-23-10, 00:00
Barfiner, I tried to PM and looks like you cant recieve Pm's.
I personaly know the owner of Lewis Grand and have his cell # and personal email. I can ask him to question the girl at the fron desk Sharon. With the threat of loosing her job she might give up the real story if her friend had your baby or not.
This might be a rather simple way to get the information your looking for.
Let me know.
It was Lewis Grand. I booked for 4 days and made my reservation via e-mail, so all my data are of course still in their IT system. I was told by her that she knows some girls who work at this place. Her name is Sharon.
SirBoneman
11-23-10, 00:24
It was Lewis Grand. I booked for 4 days and made my reservation via e-mail, so all my data are of course still in their IT system. I was told by her that she knows some girls who work at this place. Her name is Sharon.The hotel has that luxury look. But has the amosphere of a dried up Prune. Nothing like having a Cadallic. But if the tires stay flat. Is it worth the money? Secondly, women/men change their names(sometimes). Could be this Sharon did the same. Question: What did you say the age of the baby girl is now? What age was the baby when you found out? Do any pictures been given to yo?. Open up another email address. Request she send you pictures and information on the birth and etc,. If you are to be played. Then you play back smarter. I once dealt with a Sharon that was with baby. Found by the trickery of my lawyer that the baby was not mine. Have someone investigate this girl and her true name and other suitors. Hey man. When you go back be ahead of the game and not the game being played. Make it happen.
You know, you usually don't have to give all your real info to a hotel to book a room. A temporary email address, a cheap PI cell phone SIM #, and an anonymous Visa gift card with several hundred dollars on it will usually do the trick.
Good advice but this is kind of a shock to me... The fact that a good hotel like LG can do this is just f@cked... I have never liked LG because it reminds me of hospital but I never though they would do this.
Good advice but this is kind of a shock to me... The fact that a good hotel like LG can do this is just f@cked... I have never liked LG because it reminds me of hospital but I never though they would do this.Worst part is, I gave my hotmail account with this nickname to the girl, but these idiots from the hotel gave her the one with my name that I have used for making my reservation. Now I know, as soon as one checks in, one is not secure at all.
Bunny Ranch also has many pretty girls. These will be the bars I will hit next time I go there. Hopefully soon.Be careful about Bunny Ranch. I had 2 runners from there already (at 2 different vacations to AC). I suspect the mama is in on it as they were not at all surprise when I came back to complain about the girls.
FZ
Freezone, above is the section of the post from the member I was responding to. His point was the lack of service from staff and cited Kokomoz. My response was in relation to the guys that generally populate the street side seating area not being known as big spenders or tippers. Perhaps the lack of enthusiasim of the waitresses. I often wonder why guys would sit at that venue, no airconditioning, ordinary food, positioned right next to an open sewer drain (that has an awful stench), harrassed continually by vendors and beggars, and in the open with all the pollution and noise from passing traffic..then they are eating their food there. I wonder the same about almost all these outdoor venues. In relation to your being a Cheap Charlie, how could I know, just the reputation the outside venue has.Ha ha, never called a cheap charlie before but also never called a big tipper. So, guess I'm average. Food a Kokomo was ok (not gourmet) but I go there because the price is cheap enough==oh oh, maybe I am a cheap charlie.
Cheers and beers
FZ
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I always tell them in advance that I have had a vasectomy, so I can not make them pregnant.
This has two effects: the first is that they are relaxed about sex as soon as we are together, because we have already talked about it; and second, they know that any paternity claim is futile.
Saves potential hassles and risks.
G
Gangles is right.
I was vasectomised in 1985 and I always tell them in one way or another that I have been "nicked", especially when younger, single girls are talking about starting a family etc.
It quickly establishes that you are "safe" and she won't get pregnant (if the condom breaks etc), but it also sorts out for you whether she is actually serious about finding a hubby or willing to put that search to one side while she has fun with you.
My experience with 9/10 women in the Phils is that they really don't have much idea about their fertility cycle, the danger days, and how to count and measure their monthly cycle.
The vasectomy removes all doubt from my mind and hopefully from her mind too.
Tally Wacker
11-24-10, 04:54
Ok Mr Barfiner, you claim to be in the worst situation of your life and have asked for help. Everyone on this board has given you suggestions on how to handle your problem and some of us have offered help in some way. If you are for real then respond to some of these questions below or activate your account to recieve PM messages. Im mean you only have 9 posts here?? Where were you previous to your problem? Why are you on this board now after your fun in AC over 9 months ago?? Are you just trying to bash LGH? Are you just trying to stir some shit up on this board? Clarify yourself Barfiner.
From Tally Wacker
I personaly know the owner of Lewis Grand and have his cell # and personal email. I can ask him to question the girl at the fron desk Sharon. With the threat of loosing her job she might give up the real story if her friend had your baby or not.
This might be a rather simple way to get the information your looking for.
Let me know.
From Robbaf:
Which bar did you get her in? I will be in AC Friday night and I will go in and ask for her and see what her friends say about her and I promise they will tell all.
From SirBoneman:
Question: The girl in question is her name Michell?. She has sisters that work in Angeles City. If so, I know her. If not, could be you, mine, guy next to you in bar or just dust in the wind. I been almost played (by other girls) but had investigation to prove otherwise. So is the name Michelle? If so, the fathers name is Adam.
Worst part is, I gave my hotmail account with this nickname to the girl, but these idiots from the hotel gave her the one with my name that I have used for making my reservation. Now I know, as soon as one checks in, one is not secure at all.
...If you are for real then respond to some of these questions. ...you only have 9 posts here?? ...TW,
Yes, I have to admit that you are perfectly right with your arguments! I have just 9 minor posts with a private problem and until now I did not contribute anything of value to this board! However, I may herewith express my special thank to all the guys who were kind enough to give any advice! Moreover I can insure you that I did neither intend to bash the hotel, nor that I tried to stir some shit up on this board! Now I feel terribly sorry that I have disclosed the name of the hotel. It was certainly a bad mistake to do so and for that I owe a sincere apology to the hotel owner.
Since it is already too late, it makes definitely no sense to me that the management of the respective hotel follows-up 'who it was'! What is the point if somebody with a job gets fired? It would be good enough if this does not happen again in the future! The name 'Sharon' I have already mentioned in my previous posts and she used to work at 'Carousel' before she went back to Samar. Did I clarify myself good enough? And to avoid misunderstandings, I wrote about this issue just in case somebody else had already faced and solved a similar problem. OK, maybe it was too egoistic.
TW,
Yes, I have to admit that you are perfectly right with your arguments! I have just 9 minor posts with a private problem and until now I did not contribute anything of value to this board! However, I may herewith express my special thank to all the guys who were kind enough to give any advice! Moreover I can insure you that I did neither intend to bash the hotel, nor that I tried to stir some shit up on this board! Now I feel terribly sorry that I have disclosed the name of the hotel. It was certainly a bad mistake to do so and for that I owe a sincere apology to the hotel owner.
Since it is already too late, it makes definitely no sense to me that the management of the respective hotel follows-up 'who it was'! What is the point if somebody with a job gets fired? It would be good enough if this does not happen again in the future! The name 'Sharon' I have already mentioned in my previous posts and she used to work at 'Carousel' before she went back to Samar. Did I clarify myself good enough? And to avoid misunderstandings, I wrote about this issue just in case somebody else had already faced and solved a similar problem. OK, maybe it was too egoistic.
To me, this is a good lesson to visitors, stop developing these relationships with bar girls. If you picked up a prostitute on the streets of Chicago, would you give her so much information and access to your personal situation? Would you send her money if she somehow scammed her way into your personal life? If you are free lancing these girls outside of the bar, why are you treating them any different than an average streetwalker? If you have a girl you like in a particular bar, BF her, then let her go. Catch and release.
Assuming you BF her out of Caroselle, just like the 15 customers did the month before you arrived, tell her to F..k off. A bar girl has neither the intelligence or the capital to mount a claim against you from the Philippines to your home country. She was licensed as a bar girl, and would have to drag dozens of customers in for a paternity test. If she is threatening you with exposure, then it is blackmail, that is illegal. Unless you've admitted it in writing, how does anyone know that you had sex with her. Even your payments to her, you could describe as just helping someone out that you met.
In regards to Lewis Grand, almost any hotel would WANT TO KNOW if one of their receptionists is giving away personal information of their guests. And how did this exchange of information occur, telling us that the girl came back 9 months after and got one of her friends to pull up your personal data. This sounds to me like the girl knew she was pregnant when she went with you, got your information with the clear intent to hold you up for payments or some other scam. She probably has five guys like you on the hook over this. She may not even have a baby. The bar may also like to know, the girl may not even be in Samar, she may still be working.
Bite the bullet, cancel your current email accounts, set up a new one. Change cell phone numbers if required. Your only danger is that she sends something to your house by post, for her that is a one time shot, but hope she does not have your home address. There is no requirement here to give the hotel your home address.
I've seen a number of guys who have been accussed of getting a girl pregnant, in most cases (if the girl is in fact pregnant), going through the DNA tests, it turns out not to be their child. But you don't live here, other than the threat of blackmail, how is she to mount any claim against you. Your country will not support any paternity suit without confirmed DNA testing and a court judgement, again a bar girl has neither the intelligence or capital to mount such a case against you. All she has is an internet connection and email address.
Gallantnitez
11-25-10, 09:41
To me, this is a good lesson to visitors, stop developing these relationships with bar girls....
Bite the bullet, cancel your current email accounts, set up a new one. Change cell phone numbers if required. Your only danger is that she sends something to your house by post, for her that is a one time shot, but hope she does not have your home address....My first thought would be to string her along and play nice for a while but the danger is that you might get her so mad she will actually do what little she has the power to do. Matius is right though, what can she possibly do? Change your email and your phone number. Check your mail before your wife sees it and relax. There are a lot worse things that happen to girls here than to have a light skinned, light haired baby. She will be proud of her baby and she will curse you for her pride sake. Her baby will bring her lots of attention and her family will be happy.
If I were you I would list what powers you have: You can threaten her friends job at the hotel. You can threaten her work and reputation at the bar. You can threaten to take legal action for blackmail. You can threaten to drag her thru a legal battle in which every one of her former bfs is exposed and her reputation is visible to her family. You can threaten to sic an investigator on her. I would email all this to her before dropping off the radar. Let her know that threats are a 2 way street.
Truth is though, I feel for her if she is pregnant with your baby. Strike that. I feel for the baby. Oh well. Live and learn to monger another day.
Tally Wacker
11-25-10, 17:02
Barfiner, Thanks for the follow up. My point was not to get someone fired but was just an suggestion to get to the truth of the matter and find out if you have a little barfiner baby. If someone at the hotel was giving out personal info of guests then Matius is right the hotel management would want to know about it.
If this happened to me I would be pissed. If I had the name of the employee and some facts to back it up I would make every effort to inform the Hotel so it would not happen again. I would also not sit back and let someone try to extort me. I would persue every possible angle to find out the truth and put pressure on the girl so i did not look like a pushover.
I sent an email to the owner of LGH to let him know about the problem and his response was "please give me some more information so we can press charges".
It does not look like you want to have the front desk girl questioned but if you do, just call the hotel directly and ask for Alvin.
Goodluck
In regards to Lewis Grand, almost any hotel would WANT TO KNOW if one of their receptionists is giving away personal information of their guests. And how did this exchange of information occur, telling us that the girl came back 9 months after and got one of her friends to pull up your personal data.
TW,
I can insure you that I did neither intend to bash the hotel, nor that I tried to stir some shit up on this board! Now I feel terribly sorry that I have disclosed the name of the hotel. It was certainly a bad mistake to do so and for that I owe a sincere apology to the hotel owner.
Since it is already too late, it makes definitely no sense to me that the management of the respective hotel follows-up 'who it was'! What is the point if somebody with a job gets fired? It would be good enough if this does not happen again in the future!
Barfiner, Thanks for the follow up. My point was not to get someone fired but was just an suggestion to get to the truth of the matter and find out if you have a little barfiner baby. If someone at the hotel was giving out personal info of guests then Matius is right the hotel management would want to know about it.
If this happened to me I would be pissed. If I had the name of the employee and some facts to back it up I would make every effort to inform the Hotel so it would not happen again. I would also not sit back and let someone try to extort me. I would persue every possible angle to find out the truth and put pressure on the girl so i did not look like a pushover.
I sent an email to the owner of LGH to let him know about the problem and his response was "please give me some more information so we can press charges".
It does not look like you want to have the front desk girl questioned but if you do, just call the hotel directly and ask for Alvin.
Goodluck
I think considering the help and advice offered here Barfiner should send an email to LGH. This sort of crap should not go on and tomorrow someone else may be in the same situation. This is only if you are sure that the hotel staff had something to do with it.
Matius is on the money when he says the girl knew she was pregnant and asked for your info at the time of your visit rather then 7-8 months latter when the baby was due. I don't think its going to be easy for the hotel to dig out info like that 7-8 months latter. LHG is not that small and there is customers there at all times. I think you were set up from the start and you may be wrong about the hotel all together. Did you leave any of your personal belongings around so she may have got your details that way? Any business cards in your luggage that she could have found while you took a shower? Luggage tags with your name and address on it? Laptop that you didn't fully log out off? Did she used the internet in your room and perhaps you had something under your favorites that she could have used?
LoveAsianWhores
11-26-10, 03:53
You know, you usually don't have to give all your real info to a hotel to book a room. A temporary email address, a cheap PI cell phone SIM #, and an anonymous Visa gift card with several hundred dollars on it will usually do the trick.That's for sure. I NEVER give my real name to either the hotels OR the girls. For the occasional hotel that requires ID, I give them a fake ID card and pay cash. There are girls who have known me for years, but still think my fake name is my real one.
LoveAsianWhores
11-26-10, 04:09
The bar and restaurant workers of Angeles City has become downright rude. Go to Kokomoz and the waitress will not greet you, will not ask if everything is OK and will not thank you for coming (unless you leave a massive tip). The same for Margarita Station. The same with most bars. The only friendly people are the door girls.
Freezone, above is the section of the post from the member I was responding to. His point was the lack of service from staff and cited Kokomoz. My response was in relation to the guys that generally populate the street side seating area not being known as big spenders or tippers. Perhaps the lack of enthusiasim of the waitresses. I often wonder why guys would sit at that venue, no airconditioning, ordinary food, positioned right next to an open sewer drain (that has an awful stench), harrassed continually by vendors and beggars, and in the open with all the pollution and noise from passing traffic..then they are eating their food there. I wonder the same about almost all these outdoor venues. In relation to your being a Cheap Charlie, how could I know, just the reputation the outside venue has.I have never been able to figure out Kokomos. The staff go out of their way to be as rude as possible. I have, on multiple occasions, ordered food from this place and left before it was served, which I guess contributes to the vicious circle of bad treatment from the waitresses and them from me.
They happen to make a good burger and I was too lazy to walk up to margarita station, but now I just go to the sports grill that just opened. Twice the price of Kokomos, but worth it just to avoid those nasty kokomos waitresses.
I set up meetings with regular filipinas before I go to the Phils (P4P is my third line of backup).
I always tell them in advance that I have had a vasectomy, so I can not make them pregnant.
This has two effects: the first is that they are relaxed about sex as soon as we are together, because we have already talked about it; and second, they know that any paternity claim is futile.
Saves potential hassles and risks.
GProbably a real dumb question but here goes anyway. After you have a vasectomy and you climax w/ your partner is it a dry experience or do you squirt the way you did before the vasectomy? Is the ejaculation the same amount of fluid or less. Always been curious about that.
Thanks, S
I am not sure what is the process but can we get a tread started on food in AC or even just one for the whole of Philippines? I for one have been sick couple of times eating in smaller joints and would like to know of good options while I am there... These days I am too scared to eat outside ABC/LGH/Amsterdam or some of the bigger SM Mall restaurants. I am sure there are plenty others but I just don't want to take a chance. I have read here that there is a place worth visiting in Davao with the best stakes in Phillippines but still have no idea what else is out there and I will be there few weeks from now. Also same goes with Manila, I know of few good places around Makati/Malate/Passay but I am sure there are plenty more worth visiting. I have heard great things about restaurants in Antipolo but never been there. We always complain about food here yet I am sure there is plenty of good places after all this place has mixture of spanish/western (american)/korean/Japanese/Chinese/filipino culture, I am sure the food is there but we might be missing it... Lets get a tread started and share some info...
I am not sure what is the process but can we get a tread started on food in AC or even just one for the whole of Philippines? ......... I am sure the food is there but we might be missing it... Lets get a tread started and share some info...
Just start a thread Don.
Why not start by telling us where you got sick and what you ate?
The problem with a "restaurant" thread is that it is only good for the "now", as the quality of restaurants fluctuates as quickly as the quality of the bars.
In the Phils, many restaurants open with a fanfare and a blast with great food and service but as soon as the novelty drops off so does the quality.
I assess restaurants in terms of consistency of performance. I want to be able to take my friends and visitors to a food venue where I can be sure the quality will be the same as it was last month or 6 months ago.
Very few places in the Phils meet this criteria for me.
A few that do meet my criteria are:
- Claude's cafe in Davao (Called Cafe de Ville) is always good. His steaks are memorable;
- Pagliacci Italian Restaurant (5th Floor - Podium in Ortigas Center, Pasig) is very authentic italian;
- Paparazzi (also Italian) on mezzanine floor of EDSA Shangri-la is fine dining at its very best;
- Tony Roma's ribs (Ground Floor, Glorietta 4) in Makati is always good;
- KKK (3rd floor - I think) in Robinsons Malate serves very trendy and good filipino dishes
I had a vasectomy about 20 years ago. The fluid is still there when you climax, it's just the sperm which is no longer present. BTW, your sexual drive remains the same. The vesectomy has no impact on sexual desire. Given a choice I would do it again.
Probably a real dumb question but here goes anyway. After you have a vasectomy and you climax w/ your partner is it a dry experience or do you squirt the way you did before the vasectomy? Is the ejaculation the same amount of fluid or less. Always been curious about that.
Thanks, S
Probably a real dumb question but here goes anyway. After you have a vasectomy and you climax w/ your partner is it a dry experience or do you squirt the way you did before the vasectomy? Is the ejaculation the same amount of fluid or less. Always been curious about that.
Thanks, S
only the sperms are missing in the ejaculate, but you ejaculate the same.
In the ejaculate you will only find seminal fluid and prostate glands secretion.
The cums looks more waterish due to lack of spern cells
ram
WestCoast1
11-27-10, 21:15
probably a real dumb question but here goes anyway. after you have a vasectomy and you climax w/ your partner is it a dry experience or do you squirt the way you did before the vasectomy? is the ejaculation the same amount of fluid or less. always been curious about that.
thanks, s
i'm like boricua, everything seems same after my vas as before. however (i think this was covered previously on the board), i have a buddy here, and also a family relative who are vasectomized. both told me that when they blast off, there is no visible fluid ejaculate of any kind. later, when they take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), it comes out then, mixed with the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). everything feels the same, just it comes rolling out at a later time.
i'm like boricua, everything seems same after my vas as before. however (i think this was covered previously on the board), i have a buddy here, and also a family relative who are vasectomized. both told me that when they blast off, there is no visible fluid ejaculate of any kind. later, when they take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), it comes out then, mixed with the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). everything feels the same, just it comes rolling out at a later time.
that's a weird one.
i cant think of any clinical or physiological explanation for that.
i can only assume it pains a bit when it cums out later - if i dry hump a girl and don't cum then 5 minutes later it is like pissing barbed wire. and i dont have an std either.
i was vasectomized in the 80's and everything is exactly as it was before (actually better because i know i am shooting blanks).
That's a weird one.
I cant think of any clinical or physiological explanation for that.
I can only assume it pains a bit when it cums out later - if I dry hump a girl and don't cum then 5 minutes later it is like pissing barbed wire. And I DONT have an STD either.
I was vasectomized in the 80's and everything is exactly as it was before (actually better because I know I am shooting blanks).Thanks for replys, I got the jizzt of it. Now. How to get one on the downlow at Kaiser. It's probably covered, I will check it out.
Thanks Guys!
The vesectomy has no impact on sexual desire. Given a choice I would do it again.I beg to differs. Mine increased as I wanted to screw anything with a hole between her legs.
Not having to worry about "accidents" is very liberating.
I had mine in 1983 and never looked back but then I didn't have to worry about deadly STDs and could bare back til my hearts content. Now its different.
Slim
Mc Don, Telly Wacker, Gallantnitez, Matius and all the others. Many thanks for all your input, Sirs! I do appreciate your ideas and help very much!
it comes out then, mixed with the [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109).
i am a medical doctor.
what you describe here is called a "retrograde ejaculation", this happens when the ejaculate goes backwards into the urinary bladder or even is discharged with [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113).
this is not a normal situation after a vasectomy and i would advice you to consult an urologist and describe the situation there.
bluntly spoken, it is not harmful to your health, but also it is not very comfortable for you, di ba?
WestCoast1
11-28-10, 18:56
i am a medical doctor.
what you describe here is called a "retrograde ejaculation", this happens when the ejaculate goes backwards into the urinary bladder or even is discharged with [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113).
this is not a normal situation after a vasectomy and i would advice you to consult an urologist and describe the situation there.
bluntly spoken, it is not harmful to your health, but also it is not very comfortable for you, di ba?
i didn't say that i have this condition. i have a friend and a family member who both described this condition to me. neither gent has a problem with it. they feel the normal 'big bang', but there is no ejaculate. when they [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) later and it comes out, they feel nothing unusual. i'll pass along your info, many thanks.
Just my ''two cents'' worth. I was snipped in 73 and have never had any problems. The fore mentioned freedom of worry sure ups the batting average. I have had a few love it, one that would go crazy horny because she had zero worry about getting pregnant.
i am a medical doctor.
what you describe here is called a "retrograde ejaculation", this happens when the ejaculate goes backwards into the urinary bladder or even is discharged with [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113).
dr rampana,
just a layman question (we are all lay men here aren't we?!) what is the anatomical connection between one's testicles (semen factory) and the intestinal tract? or are you talking shit?
Thanks for replys, I got the jizzt of it. Now. How to get one on the downlow at Kaiser. It's probably covered, I will check it out.
Thanks Guys!
Kaiser wanted me to wait at least 2 months, go to class and pay $1100 deductible. I used google and found a doctor for $1000 fee and only 2 weeks wait time.
Thinking about your comment, I have to agree. Wanting to screw anything with a hole between her legs is very true :-) Bottom line is that there is no decrease in sexual desire. I had mine done 20 years ago because I already had 4 children (2 boys, 2 girls).
I beg to differs. Mine increased as I wanted to screw anything with a hole between her legs.
Not having to worry about "accidents" is very liberating.
I had mine in 1983 and never looked back but then I didn't have to worry about deadly STDs and could bare back til my hearts content. Now its different.
Slim
I am not sure what is the process but can we get a tread started on food in AC or even just one for the whole of Philippines? I for one have been sick couple of times eating in smaller joints and would like to know of good options while I am there... These days I am too scared to eat outside ABC/LGH/Amsterdam or some of the bigger SM Mall restaurants. I am sure there are plenty others but I just don't want to take a chance. I have read here that there is a place worth visiting in Davao with the best stakes in Phillippines but still have no idea what else is out there and I will be there few weeks from now. Also same goes with Manila, I know of few good places around Makati/Malate/Passay but I am sure there are plenty more worth visiting. I have heard great things about restaurants in Antipolo but never been there. We always complain about food here yet I am sure there is plenty of good places after all this place has mixture of spanish/western (american)/korean/Japanese/Chinese/filipino culture, I am sure the food is there but we might be missing it... Lets get a tread started and share some info...
Of late a number of people have been complaining about all sorts of sickness related to digestion. I don't eat at the Amsterdam (if you are speaking of the Black Angus Restaurant) anymore, they have been serving some truly lousy meals of late, and the guy that runs the kitchen also runs the kitchen at the Paradise Beer Garden and the recently opened Philly's Steak.
Some suggestions:
Zappata's Mexican is good, and a recent addition for takeout or delivery is Crazy Burrito.
Cottage Kitchen (or is it Country Kitchen), serves an outstanding meal, particularly their ribs.
Kashmir Restaurant in Eruptions Bar is serving an excellent authentic Curry.
Swiss Chalete has often been reported as having one of the best steaks in Angeles.
Not that I agree, but many swear by the Bunny Burger Hamburger.
Many like C Italian, I've had both good and bad meals there, but overall positive.
123 Pizza is very good for a delivered pizza.
Fortuna Restaurant is known for good Chinese, of late many people are also going to the Shanghai Restaurant (can't speak from personal experience).
It gets mixed reviews, but never heard of anyone getting sick, but some like the Clarkton Buffet.
Azzura (spelling??) above Lancelot does a good Italian meal if the owner is cooking.
Then for the budget minded, both Brass Knob and Wobbly Boot serve basic meals, never heard of anyone getting sick (although Wobbly Boot is not much to look at).
I don't know of true five star dining in Angeles, but then when an average course is costing between $4 to $15, how could it. I do think one can eat at more than a number of places without worry of getting sick, to a degree it depends on whether the owner is western (foreigner) and whether he is actively engaged in the food preparation. If the owner is just delegating it out to his Filipino workers to prepare, then quality and safety can be hit and miss.
Also one suggestion, pay attention to how the food may be prepared. Drinking tap water can cause all kinds of problems, so if you are eating a salad (fresh vegetables or fruit) that has been cleaned in Tap Water it could cause you problems.
I didn't say that I have this condition. I have a friend and a family member who both described this condition to me.
Hi WC,
sorry for the misunderstanding.
English is not my native language, so I mis-read your post.
@KongKing
go and "google" it, this is NOT a medical forum, my answer was directly directed towards WC
ram
Escort Fan
11-30-10, 16:52
Some suggestions:
Zappata's Mexican is good, and a recent addition for takeout or delivery is Crazy Burrito.
Cottage Kitchen (or is it Country Kitchen), serves an outstanding meal, particularly their ribs.
Kashmir Restaurant in Eruptions Bar is serving an excellent authentic Curry.
Swiss Chalete has often been reported as having one of the best steaks in Angeles.
Not that I agree, but many swear by the Bunny Burger Hamburger.
Many like C Italian, I've had both good and bad meals there, but overall positive.
123 Pizza is very good for a delivered pizza.I've tried all of the above except cottage kitchen.
Frankly I can't stay more than a few days in AC only because the food is so depressing. AC is good for girls but without any doubt I'd rank it as the place in the world with the worst cuisine! (and that comes from someone who is half french and half suisse, erm swiss).
Like you I find C Italian was overrated.
When I think of the buffet for 1500 PHP at Shangri La Makati and I pay almost same for a crappy meal in AC I just feel like crying.
Key Master
12-01-10, 02:45
I've tried all of the above except cottage kitchen.
Frankly I can't stay more than a few days in AC only because the food is so depressing. AC is good for girls but without any doubt I'd rank it as the place in the world with the worst cuisine! (and that comes from someone who is half french and half suisse, erm swiss).
Like you I find C Italian was overrated.
When I think of the buffet for 1500 PHP at Shangri La Makati and I pay almost same for a crappy meal in AC I just feel like crying.
I used to be a big hater of the food there in AC, but I think it's gotten better overall. I recommend you take the time to go out to Cottage Kitchen. It's not cheap, but it's good.
Irony Monger
12-01-10, 04:45
I'll be in AC next week, and was wondering which bars have a decent selection of bi-girls. I'll likely try for a 3-some once or twice, and want to find some girls who are...shall we say, not shy with each other :-).
Of late a number of people have been complaining about all sorts of sickness related to digestion. I don't eat at the Amsterdam (if you are speaking of the Black Angus Restaurant) anymore, they have been serving some truly lousy meals of late, and the guy that runs the kitchen also runs the kitchen at the Paradise Beer Garden and the recently opened Philly's Steak.
Some suggestions:
Zappata's Mexican is good, and a recent addition for takeout or delivery is Crazy Burrito.
Cottage Kitchen (or is it Country Kitchen), serves an outstanding meal, particularly their ribs.
Kashmir Restaurant in Eruptions Bar is serving an excellent authentic Curry.
Swiss Chalete has often been reported as having one of the best steaks in Angeles.
Not that I agree, but many swear by the Bunny Burger Hamburger.
Many like C Italian, I've had both good and bad meals there, but overall positive.
123 Pizza is very good for a delivered pizza.
Fortuna Restaurant is known for good Chinese, of late many people are also going to the Shanghai Restaurant (can't speak from personal experience).
It gets mixed reviews, but never heard of anyone getting sick, but some like the Clarkton Buffet.
Azzura (spelling??) above Lancelot does a good Italian meal if the owner is cooking.
Then for the budget minded, both Brass Knob and Wobbly Boot serve basic meals, never heard of anyone getting sick (although Wobbly Boot is not much to look at).
I don't know of true five star dining in Angeles, but then when an average course is costing between $4 to $15, how could it. I do think one can eat at more than a number of places without worry of getting sick, to a degree it depends on whether the owner is western (foreigner) and whether he is actively engaged in the food preparation. If the owner is just delegating it out to his Filipino workers to prepare, then quality and safety can be hit and miss.
Also one suggestion, pay attention to how the food may be prepared. Drinking tap water can cause all kinds of problems, so if you are eating a salad (fresh vegetables or fruit) that has been cleaned in Tap Water it could cause you problems.
If you stay away from the Field area the hotels are better and serve better western food.I normally stay at places such as Holiday Inn,Oxford or better still Fontana.These are at Clarke.Taxi fare is only P300 each way.You can befriend the taxi drivers and they do have 24 hour service with each taxi operated by 2 drivers working on shift.These hotels offer better security service and the places are too far for runners,thus your BF will have to stay till next day,when you decide to call for transport.
Tally Wacker
12-01-10, 06:47
I've only been in AC a couple of times and I ate at my hotel LGH most of the time other than a few other low budget places. Im sure LGH prices would be on the high side but the food was very good and I enjoyed eating at the outdoor bar/cafe over looking the pool. I tried just about everything on the menu and it was good.
I used to be a big hater of the food there in AC, but I think it's gotten better overall. I recommend you take the time to go out to Cottage Kitchen. It's not cheap, but it's good.
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