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I have tried everything to start a new tread but for some reason I can't. I wrote to Jackson so hopefully he can organize something. By the looks of it and the PVT responses I got it seems that we need one. I for one think that Manila should have enough good restaurants and if we share the info then we can probably work out a top 10-20... As of AC, thanks for everyone that replayed... I have reshuffled my calender and it seems I will have time for one more Thailand/Philippines holiday this year so I am looking froward to trying some of the places you have listed here... I will be on the Philippine Airlines flight on the 9th from Bangkok so I am looking forward to few days in Manila and AC. I was hoping to hit Davao this time but I will have to leave that for next time.
I'll be in AC next week, and was wondering which bars have a decent selection of bi-girls. I'll likely try for a 3-some once or twice, and want to find some girls who are...shall we say, not shy with each other :-).
Almost all the bars have girls that will do that. Not to say all the girls will do it. Three some, four some, many some is hardly a problem, lesbian generally requires help from the mamasan to know which girls are game for it. Recommend you avoid getting a dyke for the party, while she may be up for the girl, she may not want you. Finally, a general rule its hard for the customer to arrange girls independent of the mamasan, girls will say yes in the bar, then no in the room.
I've tried all of the above except cottage kitchen.
Frankly I can't stay more than a few days in AC only because the food is so depressing. AC is good for girls but without any doubt I'd rank it as the place in the world with the worst cuisine! (and that comes from someone who is half french and half suisse, erm swiss).
Like you I find C Italian was overrated.
When I think of the buffet for 1500 PHP at Shangri La Makati and I pay almost same for a crappy meal in AC I just feel like crying.
I know the cuisine in both of your countries and Angeles City can in no way compete with those experiences. Come on, some of the best chefs in the world work there, the best cooking schools in the world are there.
The gentleman was concerned about getting sick and most restaurants, including the hotel restaurants are what might be considered just "ok" in most Western countries. C Italian gets mixed reviews on being over-rated, but don't think anyone will get sick eating there, and the food is ok. 1500 p is a fairly pricey meal for Angeles city, you must be dining with others or ordering wine. Most meals here won't cost you more than 500 p, and many much less.
I think there are enough restaurants here to provide an acceptable meal, but world class cuisine forget it. I just don't know or heard of a true 5 star restaurant. Again, would caution all to watch out for food preparation, you must avoid the tap water here, particularly if not use to it, also the restaurants mentioned in my previous post.
Irony Monger
12-02-10, 08:03
Almost all the bars have girls that will do that. Not to say all the girls will do it. Three some, four some, many some is hardly a problem, lesbian generally requires help from the mamasan to know which girls are game for it. Recommend you avoid getting a dyke for the party, while she may be up for the girl, she may not want you. Finally, a general rule its hard for the customer to arrange girls independent of the mamasan, girls will say yes in the bar, then no in the room.
Thanks Matius. I guess my first LD will be for the mamasan.
ManonsanBoy
12-02-10, 10:46
I think there are enough restaurants here to provide an acceptable meal, but world class cuisine forget it. I just don't know or heard of a true 5 star restaurant. Again, would caution all to watch out for food preparation, you must avoid the tap water here, particularly if not use to it, also the restaurants mentioned in my previous post.
Angeles is not a premier destination. C Italian is at most a 3 star (out of 5) but Angeles is jsut a sex destination.
If it is all spruced up; now there is a thought!
Almost all the bars have girls that will do that. Not to say all the girls will do it. Three some, four some, many some is hardly a problem, lesbian generally requires help from the mamasan to know which girls are game for it. Recommend you avoid getting a dyke for the party, while she may be up for the girl, she may not want you. Finally, a general rule its hard for the customer to arrange girls independent of the mamasan, girls will say yes in the bar, then no in the room.
Good advice there, I would look at smaller bars rather then the big ones. If on fields look at Dirty Duck. In smaller bars girls interact with each other a lot more and you can pick the friends quickly then talk to mamasan... Also I would suggest picking one girl and then let her pick a friend or two...
Has anyone done any of the ABC hotel girls? The pool bar always has few working ladies and they do a "massage" for 3000 peso. From what I gather mainly local girls (AC girls). Millage on them would be a lot less then the rest of AC considering that only few guests tend to hang around the bar...
Good advice there, I would look at smaller bars rather then the big ones. If on fields look at Dirty Duck. In smaller bars girls interact with each other a lot more and you can pick the friends quickly then talk to mamasan... Also I would suggest picking one girl and then let her pick a friend or two...
Yes, a very very good point, thanks for the save. Forget the big show bars or even the smaller bars owned by the big groups, they run so many girls and mamasans it would be frustrating (the girls exist there, its just getting to someone that knows the girls). In my mind I was thinking of Perimeter Road bars as being the easiest to speak with a mamasan and find the girls desired. I don't know about Dirty Duck anymore, they've lost so many girls, running scared from the recent raid, not hearing good things about the bar since it re-opened. Right now, if I were looking on Fields, would recommend Body Shop. They currently have a great line up of girls who have very liberal thinking.
Has anyone done any of the ABC hotel girls? The pool bar always has few working ladies and they do a "massage" for 3000 peso. From what I gather mainly local girls (AC girls). Millage on them would be a lot less then the rest of AC considering that only few guests tend to hang around the bar...
ABC does not have working girls, they have a straight massage parlor... They only cater to their guests. Just walking in unknown off the street would not be accepted.
ABC pool bar and sky bar are owned by the same person who runs Golden Garter and Love and Music. The ABC girls (if you want to call them that) rotate into those two bars. You are right they do have low mileage, more so there are some very unique looking girls, my opinion some of the best in Angeles. BF run from 1,500 to 3,000 in those two bars and you can access the talent without having to be a guest at ABC.
Fast Eddie 48
12-03-10, 19:37
ABC does not have working girls, they have a straight massage parlor. They only cater to their guests. Just walking in unknown off the street would not be accepted.
ABC pool bar and sky bar are owned by the same person who runs Golden Garter and Love and Music. The ABC girls (if you want to call them that) rotate into those two bars. You are right they do have low mileage, more so there are some very unique looking girls, my opinion some of the best in Angeles. BF run from 1, 500 to 3, 000 in those two bars and you can access the talent without having to be a guest at ABC.To Matius
That is kind of high for 3000 pesos just for a massage without FS, I am sure they will do FS on the side if the price is right.
Fast Eddie 48
Rubberyman
12-03-10, 22:49
I've tried all of the above except cottage kitchen.
Frankly I can't stay more than a few days in AC only because the food is so depressing. AC is good for girls but without any doubt I'd rank it as the place in the world with the worst cuisine! (and that comes from someone who is half french and half suisse, erm swiss).
Like you I find C Italian was overrated.
When I think of the buffet for 1500 PHP at Shangri La Makati and I pay almost same for a crappy meal in AC I just feel like crying.
LOL! Now if we could find some place in the world where there was unlimited GFE pussy for 1200P per night AND a five star restaurant......
Until then, I guess it's La Cantina, Mo's, Cottage Kitchen, Bunny Burger etc and lots of pussy for me. :)
Other than the Chinese place, when I have gone to some of these better restaurants in AC, I was the only customer.
AC just doesn't attract the type of people that would make a high class restaurant viable. No offense to the esteemed members of ISG, but I think most of you know what I'm talking about.
At Cottage Kitchen I was tempted to tell the owner to bugger off since he decided to chat with his only customer the whole time I was eating my gumbo. He was a nice enough guy, but damn! X
LOL! Now if we could find some place in the world where there was unlimited GFE pussy for 1200P per night AND a five star restaurant......
Until then, I guess it's La Cantina, Mo's, Cottage Kitchen, Bunny Burger etc and lots of pussy for me.
Koolshot737
12-04-10, 16:24
Thanks to the forum. My first trip to AC was good.
Most of the info is already there, I will add my two cents.
Stayed at Swiss Chalet. Fine property at 1500 P per night.
Among the non-dancer bars, I would recommend Honky Tonk behind the Swiss Chalet. Local beer 65 P, lady drink 120 P, ST 700 P, LT bar fine 1200 P and I believe additional for the girl. Most of the girls are great. I can remember the name of only Erma for now.
Most of the dance bars, local beer 95 P, lady drink I think 150 P, bar fine 1500 P and addtional for the girl say 500 or 700 P. In some bars like Doll House, Crystal Palace, Club Asia etc bar fine is of 2 types : 1500 P and 3000 P, additional for the girl.
Some are also 24 hours like Doll House, Voodoo, Pony Tails etc. The Pasha Group also has good girls.
AC is mongers paradise. Enjoy friends.
Regards,
KOOL
WestCoast1
12-04-10, 17:32
Thanks to the forum. My first trip to AC was good.
Most of the info is already there, I will add my two cents.
Stayed at Swiss Chalet. Fine property at 1500 P per night.
Among the non-dancer bars, I would recommend Honky Tonk behind the Swiss Chalet. Local beer 65 P, lady drink 120 P, ST 700 P, LT bar fine 1200 P and I believe additional for the girl. Most of the girls are great. I can remember the name of only Erma for now.
Most of the dance bars, local beer 95 P, lady drink I think 150 P, bar fine 1500 P and addtional for the girl say 500 or 700 P. In some bars like Doll House, Crystal Palace, Club Asia etc bar fine is of 2 types : 1500 P and 3000 P, additional for the girl.
Some are also 24 hours like Doll House, Voodoo, Pony Tails etc. The Pasha Group also has good girls.
AC is mongers paradise. Enjoy friends.
Regards,
KOOL
Kool, nice field report. You mention extra for the lady; are you talking about a tip? At the bars you mention, I only pay the original barfine, nothing more. I'm wondering if they told you that you had to give more to the girl later (ie, next day or when she leaves).
WestCoast1
12-04-10, 17:32
Gents, should there be a thread for scammers or runners? Should we post their pics?
Rubberyman
12-04-10, 22:17
Thanks to the forum. My first trip to AC was good.
Most of the info is already there, I will add my two cents.
Stayed at Swiss Chalet. Fine property at 1500 P per night.
Among the non-dancer bars, I would recommend Honky Tonk behind the Swiss Chalet. Local beer 65 P, lady drink 120 P, ST 700 P, LT bar fine 1200 P and I believe additional for the girl. Most of the girls are great. I can remember the name of only Erma for now.
Most of the dance bars, local beer 95 P, lady drink I think 150 P, bar fine 1500 P and addtional for the girl say 500 or 700 P. In some bars like Doll House, Crystal Palace, Club Asia etc bar fine is of 2 types : 1500 P and 3000 P, additional for the girl.
Some are also 24 hours like Doll House, Voodoo, Pony Tails etc. The Pasha Group also has good girls.
AC is mongers paradise. Enjoy friends.
Regards,
KOOL
Thanks for the update KOOL. Always good to get the latest prices.
Just to forestall a flame war on the 'extra for the girl' bit, it should be clarified that this is completely voluntary...up to you. Some people regularly pay more, and some people regularly pay nothing. The bf price is fixed however.
Westcoast - good idea to publish pics of runners if you have the pics.
.I normally stay at places such as Holiday Inn,Oxford or better still Fontana.These are at Clarke.Taxi fare is only P300 each way.You can befriend the taxi drivers and they do have 24 hour service with each taxi operated by 2 drivers working on shift.These hotels offer better security service and the places are too far for runners,thus your BF will have to stay till next day,when you decide to call for transport.Problem is that sometimes this could backfire as when the lady ask where you are staying (and they always seem to ask this on my last trip), when you tell them where , even if they are not runners, some may not want the travel.
For those thinking that the food may get you sick in AC or prices too high in AC, the easier solution is what I did. Just walk over to the SM Mall and eat there, many places to choose from. Prices are ok and never gotten sick eating there. IMHO
FZ
Gents, should there be a thread for scammers or runners? Should we post their pics?Absolutely!
FZ
Kool, nice field report. You mention extra for the lady; are you talking about a tip? At the bars you mention, I only pay the original barfine, nothing more. I'm wondering if they told you that you had to give more to the girl later (ie, next day or when she leaves).
Judging from what Kool had written, I'd say it sounds like the amount of tips he left for the ladies he took out from these places, but some of the tips seem to be on the very high side as it is about half of the BF.
FZ
Koolshot737
12-05-10, 10:16
Well for Honky Tonk ST I paid 200 P as tips, I did not try LT with them. For the dance bar girls I paid 500 P as tips for the 1500 P bar fined girls. I did not try the 3000 P bar fine girls.
Rgds,
KOOL
Judging from what Kool had written, I'd say it sounds like the amount of tips he left for the ladies he took out from these places, but some of the tips seem to be on the very high side as it is about half of the BF.
FZ
DriveAllNight
12-06-10, 04:46
Problem is that sometimes this could backfire as when the lady ask where you are staying (and they always seem to ask this on my last trip), when you tell them where , even if they are not runners, some may not want the travel.Every bargirl asks you where you're staying. Usually to see how deep your pockets are, di ba.
My stock answer: "I'm staying with you, maganda! " That usually gets a laugh out of the girl, then I change the subject.
On some occasions though, I'll answer the Hotel Question in a way that benefits me.
For example: I stroll into a bar in Angeles, and the fattest, nastiest girl in the place (as usual) attaches herself and won't go away. When she hits me with the Hotel Question, I say I'm staying at the American, which many bargirls believe is haunted. (If the American Hotel doesn't get rid of her, I then inform her that she's going to have to tongue-punch my fartbox back at the room. Better than a can of Black Flag, I've found, and cheaper.)
Alternatively, if there's a girl in the bar who really interests me and I'm staying someplace nice, I answer the question truthfully. Especially if I'm aware that a bunch of other guys in the bar are after her as well.
Every bargirl asks you where you're staying. Usually to see how deep your pockets are, di ba.
My stock answer: "I'm staying with you, maganda! " That usually gets a laugh out of the girl, then I change the subject.
On some occasions though, I'll answer the Hotel Question in a way that benefits me.
For example: I stroll into a bar in Angeles, and the fattest, nastiest girl in the place (as usual) attaches herself and won't go away. When she hits me with the Hotel Question, I say I'm staying at the American, which many bargirls believe is haunted. (If the American Hotel doesn't get rid of her, I then inform her that she's going to have to tongue-punch my fartbox back at the room. Better than a can of Black Flag, I've found, and cheaper.)
Alternatively, if there's a girl in the bar who really interests me and I'm staying someplace nice, I answer the question truthfully. Especially if I'm aware that a bunch of other guys in the bar are after her as well.
The hotel question generally only works for you. As a population these girls have been to most hotels in town. If you say you are staying at the ABC, Lewis Grand or Wild Orchid (not meant to be an exhaustive list) one will often get a positive response from the girl, particularly if you suggest the next day you and her can go swimming. The American Hotel is much maligned, and in most cases the girls have heard of the ghost but it won't prevent them from going there. Many of these girls have done short time in the hourly rate hotels which are far shabbier than any proper hotel that most tourists stay at.
The girls are not great conversationists, they all ask the same thing. Where are you from, where are you staying, how old are you, do you have a wife or girlfriend? If you are a good guy, the answer does not much matter, unless they know your girlfriend or wife. As far as guaging your wallet, that is usually done by the way you order. Order one SML for yourself, go through a cautious approach on making sure her order is a single ladies drink and ensuring she spends maximum time with you on each drink, going through an exhaustive question process on what you will receive for you money should you decide to bf her. Not suggesting success is only for the big spenders, but these girls see how guys order, how they count the money out of their pocket, what tip they leave, to know enough on the expected budget of the customer.
A polite straightforward, perhaps comical, approach in getting rid of girl that is clinging is the best. Remember they all talk to each other, and if you are suggesting some unappealing sex act, they will tell the girl in tagalog as you call her over. Just tell the clinger that you are looking for your next wife, or just simply say how about she sit way over there so you can select the girl you want (with a smile on your face). If that does not work, just ask the mamasan to get you some space. If that does not work, the bar is poorly run and go to another bar.
Gents, should there be a thread for scammers or runners? Should we post their pics?
Appears to be a lot of effort for nothing. You do know that some bars, like Gecko's, give the girl an extra day's pay if she returns to the bar from a barfine during her shift? Even a third day's pay if she does a second short time bf and returns before the shift is over. This does not matter to many as they only want a short time, but in some bars there is a financial incentive in the girl not staying all night with you. There are penalties in some bars for girls that fail to get enough ladies drinks before taking a barfine or take a multiple day barfine without reporting to work on the second and successive days. Not always the case, but at times some of the most popular bars have the incentives rigged against you unless you are willing to financially compensate. The girl will almost never tell you this.
On The Road
12-06-10, 09:08
Tomorrow I'll be in Angeles for one single night, and I would like to try to avoid to barfine a runner.
I know that should be impossible to be sure, but I would like to try, no matter if this will cost me a little bit more (I'll be in Angeles just for one night, maybe in my life!). I'll stay at Central Park.
So, any suggestion on bars that NOT pay extra for a quick return?
Any bar where you pay only the barfine and then pay directly the girl the morning after?
Should be on any help to say to the girl that if she stay all the night and do what agreed, the next morning I'll give you a good tip? And how much could be interesting for her to choose to stay rather than to go? 1000php should be fine?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks a lot, Angeles experts!!!
Lil Buckaroo
12-06-10, 11:47
Tomorrow I'll be in Angeles for one single night, and I would like to try to avoid to barfine a runner.
I know that should be impossible to be sure, but I would like to try, no matter if this will cost me a little bit more (I'll be in Angeles just for one night, maybe in my life!). I'll stay at Central Park.
So, any suggestion on bars that NOT pay extra for a quick return?
Any bar where you pay only the barfine and then pay directly the girl the morning after?
Should be on any help to say to the girl that if she stay all the night and do what agreed, the next morning I'll give you a good tip? And how much could be interesting for her to choose to stay rather than to go? 1000php should be fine?
Any other suggestions?I have only been to AC a few times in the last year, but have never experienced a "runner". Perhaps this is due more to good luck than good management, but I will relate my MO.
I have stayed in the Orchid in and in Encore. While these two places are spitting distance from each other physically, they are worlds apart in classiness. Encore had a nice enough room (for my purposes) but the entrance is pretty shabby. This still did not phase any of my 'little friends' from staying.
I do tend to find my bf on the late side of the evening, so I suppose they could already assume that I expect LT service. I also tend to let them find me, rather than calling a girl over. I tend to be a fairly quiet guy anyway. I have never asked that they perform any particular act prior to their arrival and usually just spend my time with them in the bar joking with them and getting to know them a bit. If they seem ok, then I will agree when the inevitable question comes up of whether I want to take them out or not. I never buy more than 2 or 3 LDs. I might get one for the mamasan, or I might not.
I typically like to "go with the flow", and see where these girls will take me. I have had some that are a bit on the starfish side, of course, and some that have rocked my world! But I tend to just try to be easy going all around, and try not to be too impatient for "the deed". I usually give them 1000php in the morning along with trike fare. I have rarely (I don't recall it happening actually) discussed finances with the girl at all, except to know how much trike money they need.
Tomorrow I'll be in Angeles for one single night, and I would like to try to avoid to barfine a runner.
I know that should be impossible to be sure, but I would like to try, no matter if this will cost me a little bit more (I'll be in Angeles just for one night, maybe in my life!). I'll stay at Central Park.
So, any suggestion on bars that NOT pay extra for a quick return?
Any bar where you pay only the barfine and then pay directly the girl the morning after?All bars in AC are: pay barfine upfront (of which the girl gets about half), tip when the girl leaves (amount depends on performance of the girl and your generosity).
Should be on any help to say to the girl that if she stay all the night and do what agreed, the next morning I'll give you a good tip? And how much could be interesting for her to choose to stay rather than to go? 1000php should be fine?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks a lot, Angeles experts!Sure, money talks. 1000 p is a pretty good tip for most girls, except maybe for the so-called stunners (top 5%).
Other tips:
- make sure the girl likes you (at least a bit) in the bar before barfining her. I don't really interview the girl over the ladydrink. I tell her jokes and show her silly bar tricks. And sneak a few interview questions disguised as jokes.
- treat her well while she is with you: feed her, give her a good time in bed, make her laugh, play silly games with her
- unless you look like Brad Pitt, money matters. If you pull a girl early afternoon, say, and don't discuss the tip amount with her, she is in a bind too. If she stays with you till next morning/afternoon, doing several rounds, and then get a small 100-200 tip, it will hardly be worth her time. Don't blame the girl for wanting to stay that long if a good tip isn't guaranteed. So keep that in mind.
Been to Thailand & phils before & I'm still tryin to figure out why 9 out of 10 thais stay with you till you ask them to leave but 9 out of 10 pinoys wants to leave your room after first session. Lets say 3/4 am!
All bars in AC are: pay barfine upfront (of which the girl gets about half), tip when the girl leaves (amount depends on performance of the girl and your generosity).
Sure, money talks. 1000 p is a pretty good tip for most girls, except maybe for the so-called stunners (top 5%).I have been coming to Angeles City for over 5 years (I live here now), and I have given a tip exactly once, and that's because the girl stayed with me until 4 or 5 pm the next day and took care of me when I got sick the night before. Even then, it was only P500, and she was happy for me to barfine her the next night as well.
I'm not kuripot, it's just the subject has never come up. I didn't know about the tendency to tip afterwards when I began my trips here; it's one of the reasons I started coming to AC, because I knew that Manila and Cebu girls both want tips, and usually negotiate them in the bar.
As I said, I'm not cheap; I'll take girls out barhopping, or to a nice restaurant, no problem; if I barfine them more than 2 times (rare), I even go to SM and get them a P500 silver bracelet or necklace. Maybe it's because I always treat them with respect (though I know a lot of guys here do the same) or I'm just that great a lover or super gwapo (end sarcasm). I do know that if I go back to the same bar too soon, the girl will be upset if I don't pick her again (this happened at the Body Shop a couple of weeks ago: my friend called down a girl for me before I could stop him, and the girl I had barfined *6 months before* got so upset she sat down sulking on stage; the papasan even fined her for not dancing).
I have had one girl ask me in the morning, "Where's my tip?" Since she was so bad in bed the night before (total starfish and no kissing, and no morning session either), I told her, "Here's a tip: negotiate before you come to the room." I also went to the girl's bar (Atlantis) later and talked with one of the mamasans, who I'm friends with, and once she heard the story, she just laughed at my answer and said, "Yeah, she's trouble." That being said, I haven't had problems with other girls from Atlantis after that either.
I guess what I'm trying to say is do what you want regarding tips, but they're not necessary, especially if you treat the girls well and aren't super disgusting in one way or another.
On The Road
12-07-10, 13:09
Thanks for the infos, mates.
I'm in Angeles now, and I barfined my first Angeles girl in the afternoon, from Voodoo, 1500php. It was 5.00pm, and most of the other bars were closed.
I asked ST but two pops, in bar, and she agreed. I promised her a good tip.
Nothing to complain in room, I gave her 500php tip and she seems happy enough. She asked me to barfine her again tomorrow.
Been to Thailand & phils before & I'm still tryin to figure out why 9 out of 10 thais stay with you till you ask them to leave but 9 out of 10 pinoys wants to leave your room after first session. Lets say 3/4 am!I find that the pinay girls stay for a long time and you virtually have to ask them to leave or make and excuse to get rid of them, such as lets go eat or I need to use the internet.
But this is not a bad thing. Sometimes they stay for days or weeks.
I am planning on taking a 2 week or so trip to Thailand in a few months. While I am there I thought it might be nice to shoot over to Angeles City for a few days while I am there. What would be the most cost-efficient way to do this? Should I try to book the flight (BKK to MNL or BKK to CRK) from the US or from Thailand?
A quick internet search shows me flights from BKK to CRK for a 4 day trip at over $2000 with at least one stop and around $550 direct to MNL. I have heard that cheap flights can be found between these two locations but I cannot find them. Any advice? Note this question will also be posted in the Thailand forum.
I always fly with cebu pacific air. Have flights BKK-clark around 11. 30 pm arrive clark@4 am. (direct flight)
Thur, sund, tuesd.
I never paid more than more than $400 with return. If you have nothing to do in Manila avoid.
I am planning on taking a 2 week or so trip to Thailand in a few months. While I am there I thought it might be nice to shoot over to Angeles City for a few days while I am there. What would be the most cost-efficient way to do this? Should I try to book the flight (BKK to MNL or BKK to CRK) from the US or from Thailand?
A quick internet search shows me flights from BKK to CRK for a 4 day trip at over $2000 with at least one stop and around $550 direct to MNL. I have heard that cheap flights can be found between these two locations but I cannot find them. Any advice? Note this question will also be posted in the Thailand forum.
On The Road
12-08-10, 15:21
During the night, after long barhopping, I headed to Voodoo again very late, let's say 3am.
Barfined the door girl, Jane, asked her to remain 'till next morning without promising her a tip.
She stayed until 9am, gave her 500php tip and she was really happy about that.
All in all, I had two good experience in Angeles with 4 sessions in a few hours.
By the way, even if I'm not an Angeles expert and I visited only the Field area, I can say that Angeles can't be compared to Pattaya in any way. Just my humble opinion.
I am planning on taking a 2 week or so trip to Thailand in a few months. While I am there I thought it might be nice to shoot over to Angeles City for a few days while I am there. What would be the most cost-efficient way to do this? Should I try to book the flight (BKK to MNL or BKK to CRK) from the US or from Thailand?
A quick internet search shows me flights from BKK to CRK for a 4 day trip at over $2000 with at least one stop and around $550 direct to MNL. I have heard that cheap flights can be found between these two locations but I cannot find them. Any advice? Note this question will also be posted in the Thailand forum. Try www.cebupacificair.com. They fly from Bangkok to Clark and Manila. Especially if you can book months in advance, you may be able to catch one of their seat sales.
During the night, after long barhopping, I headed to Voodoo again very late, let's say 3am.
Barfined the door girl, Jane, asked her to remain 'till next morning without promising her a tip.
She stayed until 9am, gave her 500php tip and she was really happy about that.
Shhtt. The tip police will say you gave her too much. 3 am to 9 am is barely LT, just barely.
All in all, I had two good experience in Angeles with 4 sessions in a few hours.
By the way, even if I'm not an Angeles expert and I visited only the Field area, I can say that Angeles can't be compared to Pattaya in any way. Just my humble opinion. In what way can they not be compared? AC better? Or Pattaya better?
Mr Enternational
12-09-10, 03:03
I always fly with cebu pacific air. Have flights BKK-clark around 11. 30 pm arrive clark@4 Am. (direct flight)
Thur, sund, tuesd.
I never paid more than more than $400 with return. If you have nothing to do in Manila avoid. That is the thing that sux. Those flights are only on certain days. I booked a round trip on Philippine Air's website for MNL-BKK-MNL next March for US$237.
FARE BREAKDOWN
Passenger Type Base Fare per person Taxes per person Total Fare per person Number of passengers
Adult 12+.................118.00.....................119.20.....................237.20..................... x 2
Total Fare
USD 474.40
In what way can they not be compared? AC better? Or Pattaya better?Depends on what you are looking for.
Reasons Angeles is better than Pattaya:
1) Cheaper girls.
2) Girls speak English.
3) BBBJ is standard; in Thailand you have to ask.
4) Easier to get girls to do lesbian stuff (IMO)
Reasons Pattaya is better than Angeles:
1) Go-go bars has full nudity with lesbian shows.
2) More girls and bars in terms of quantity.
3) Better food.
4) Better transportation system; 10 baht songtaew bus instead of the rip-off trikes.
5) Better accomodation in terms of value.
6) More non-mongering activities.
7) A lot more safer.
8) Easier to get cuter girls (There's more bars, and plus IMO, the average quality is slightly higher)
Pattaya would normally win hands down, but the price factor does matter. It kills my budget to bar fine 2 or 3 girls from a Pattaya go-go bar.
Other people have warned about the clerks ripping you off on change at the 7-11s (one on Fields and the other on MacArthur). This is a correct warning!
The one on MacArthur Hwy attempted to rip me off.
I was there late, obviously drunk. I bought stuff that was 180 pesos. I gave him a 1000 peso note. He gave me back 720 pesos instead of 820.
It was not an honest mistake. On the receipt, he put down the exact amount on the "amount tender". Hence there was no change calculated on the receipt.
I checked afterwards. Every single time I go to any 7-11, the clerk will always put down what bill you gave him.
Mr Enternational
12-09-10, 07:06
Reasons Angeles is better than Pattaya:
1) Cheaper girls.
2) Girls speak English.
3) BBBJ is standard; in Thailand you have to ask.
4) Easier to get girls to do lesbian stuff (IMO)
Reasons Pattaya is better than Angeles:
1) Go-go bars has full nudity with lesbian shows.
2) More girls and bars in terms of quantity.
3) Better food.
4) Better transportation system; 10 baht songtaew bus instead of the rip-off trikes.
5) Better accomodation in terms of value.
6) More non-mongering activities.
7) A lot more safer.
8) Easier to get cuter girls (There's more bars, and plus IMO, the average quality is slightly higher)
Pattaya would normally win hands down, but the price factor does matter. It kills my budget to bar fine 2 or 3 girls from a Pattaya go-go bar. It seems GB has looked at things from an Angeles City bar vs. Pattaya agogo point of view, but IMHO it is a comparison between apples and oranges. Anytime I have been in an agogo in Pattaya there has been some type of show going on, but in AC not as much. So I would be more inclined to compare the bars in AC with the beer bars in Pattaya instead of the agogos. However I will shy away from that section because my field of expertise is freelancers.
1. In both locations my going rate for LT (overnight and maybe into the next afternoon) FL from the discos is 1000 local currency. Since I am American 1000 Thai baht = US$33. 19 while 1000 Phil Pesos = US$22. 90. It is worthy to note that my wingmen did manage to get LT FL in AC for 500 Phil Pesos = US$11. 45. Just as well ST in Pattaya can be had anywhere from 300-500 Thai baht (US$9. 97. US$16. 62) on Beach Road.
2. As far as speaking English, most girls in Pattaya discos do speak a favorable amount of English. They usually learn from music and American movies with Thai subtitles.
3. I have never had to ask a FL in Pattaya for a BBBJ. It pretty much comes standard. However I will say that BBBJ is more of an art form from AC FL. Those women must watch a looooottt of porno movies because they have the technique down. Two hands and a lot of spit. You will definitely need new sheets after all of the wetness generated from an AC FL's mouth during a BBBJ.
4. I can not comment on the lesbian thing as I have not attempted it in either place. I have had enough of it from the termas in Brazil as well as real life in various countries. However if that is what you like then there is a place in Pattaya called the Devil's Den that specializes in that. For 3600 baht (US$119) you get two girls for 90 minutes and damn near anything goes. You can look at the girls' profiles online to see what they will and won't do before you visit.
4b. The transportation system in Pattaya is much better. The cost is 1200 baht (US$39. 89) including tolls for the hour and a half ride in a private car from the airport in BKK to Pattaya. From the airport in Manila to AC it was 2500 Phil Pesos (US$57. 26). As GB mentioned the baht buses are 10 baht but to me it is better to rent a scooter for 150 Thai Baht (US$4. 98) per day or if you are a long term visitor about US$80 for the month. To me there is really not anywhere in AC to go that you would need transportation. We took a jeepney to the Chinese Restaurant and back as well as to Clark and back. The only time we took a trike was to the bus station when we were leaving and it cost us 80 Phil Pesos (US$1. 83) for the 5 minute ride. The rest of the time we walked.
5. Pattaya definitely has better accommodations for the money. You can get an apartment for as little as 500 baht (US$16. 62) /day. I am a long term renter there and my room costs 4000 baht (US$132) /month and the building is only a couple of years old. In AC Central Park cost us US$40 / day.
6. Pattaya definitely has more non-mongering related activities because many families from all over Europe and the Middle East (including India) go there for vacation. You can do anything from swimming with dolphins to doing a tour of Ripley's Believe It or Not to the Hard Rock Cafe.
7. I can not comment on the safety aspect. I feel safe damn near anywhere I go.
8. As far as beauty, we all know how that goes.
Key Master
12-09-10, 07:27
I am planning on taking a 2 week or so trip to Thailand in a few months. While I am there I thought it might be nice to shoot over to Angeles City for a few days while I am there. What would be the most cost-efficient way to do this? Should I try to book the flight (BKK to MNL or BKK to CRK) from the US or from Thailand?
A quick internet search shows me flights from BKK to CRK for a 4 day trip at over $2000 with at least one stop and around $550 direct to MNL. I have heard that cheap flights can be found between these two locations but I cannot find them. Any advice? Note this question will also be posted in the Thailand forum. I would probably just wait to get to Thailand and then shop the ticket. Not as many flights to Clark so it's limited and I think others have posted their flight schedule. The bad thing to me with that is you may loose some nights doing that itinerary and it may not work for your schedule. I think flying to Manila is not so bad and you can have a car pick you up to take you to AC but it's not really cheap. You should probably be able to get a roundtrip ticket from BKK to MNL for anywhere around $350-450. Maybe even a little less, but it all depends. By buying an international ticket at the departing country you'll have more discounted fares available to you through the multitude of agents available versus doing it all online here. Note that some of the smaller airlines offering cheap fares sometimes have really low weight limits for checking in luggage and if you can't meet them, you'll pay extra for what exceeds.
Try.
www.cebupacificair.com.
They fly from Bangkok to Clark and Manila. Especially if you can book months in advance, you may be able to catch one of their seat sales. Sweet! Thanks. They have very good rates (about $200 round trip). Do you know if I can book using a US Master Card? I get that impression from their FAQ.
I would probably just wait to get to Thailand and then shop the ticket. Not as many flights to Clark so it's limited and I think others have posted their flight schedule. The bad thing to me with that is you may loose some nights doing that itinerary and it may not work for your schedule. I think flying to Manila is not so bad and you can have a car pick you up to take you to AC but it's not really cheap. You should probably be able to get a roundtrip ticket from BKK to MNL for anywhere around $350-450. Maybe even a little less, but it all depends. By buying an international ticket at the departing country you'll have more discounted fares available to you through the multitude of agents available versus doing it all online here. Note that some of the smaller airlines offering cheap fares sometimes have really low weight limits for checking in luggage and if you can't meet them, you'll pay extra for what exceeds.Thanks for the info. It all helps. I really like Pattaya and this is part of the reason that I want to split the trip in case I do not like AC I know it will just be temporary. Something tells me though there is no way I will dislike AC and I should just commit myself to a full trip there and avoid the hassle of the side trip.
depends on what you are looking for.
reasons angeles is better than pattaya:
1) cheaper girls.
2) girls speak english.
3) bbbj is standard; in thailand you have to ask.
4) easier to get girls to do lesbian stuff (imo)
reasons pattaya is better than angeles:
1) go-go bars has full nudity with lesbian shows.
2) more girls and bars in terms of quantity.
3) better food.
4) better transportation system; 10 baht songtaew bus instead of the rip-off trikes.
5) better accomodation in terms of value.
6) more non-mongering activities.
7) a lot more safer.
8) easier to get cuter girls (there's more bars, and plus imo, the average quality is slightly higher)
pattaya would normally win hands down, but the price factor does matter. it kills my budget to bar fine 2 or 3 girls from a pattaya go-go bar. since i have never been to ac but want to go i never tire of this endless debate. but now that i have one pattaya trip under my belt allow me to comment.
is bbbj really an issue in pats? i went with 9 girls on my trip. 7 did bbbj without question. 1 requested a condom and when i balked she did bbbj no problem. 1 refused to do any bj at all. however the only girls i met willing to do cim were from devil's den so you may actually have a valid point there although if you make it known that it is your priority in the go gos (i did not) then i'll bet you'll find some takers.
i am also trying to get a handle on expense comparisons. in pats i paid from 1500 to 2600 baht for lt including barfine pulling girls from walking street beer bars, soi 13 area go gos, and walking street go gos in increasing amounts. i negotiated some but not too hardcore. that is equivalent to $50-86. note i negociated for another guy a beer bar girl lt for 500 baht. she was over 40 but still attractive.
from what i am reading here it seems that a typical fields barfine is from php1500-3000+a tip of around 500-700 for lt so about $46-86? prices then almost the same as pats but of course there must be girls in pats commanding 3000+600 baht ($120) per night i just never pulled them so likewise i would probably avoid the $86 girls in ac so i will have to give a $20 / day or so edge to ac.
i keep reading about runners in ac. i never feared a runner in pats because they got paid on leaving. i guess by explicitly promising the tip for good lt service most of them can be avoided.
transport to and around pattaya was simple and cheap even for this newbie. i took the 124 baht ($4) bus there from the airport and got around quite well on the 10 baht (33 cent) buses. also everything was close together and i was able to walk to most places in a few minutes and streets were occupied 24 hours per day so i was never worried about getting jacked up. from what i read here transport in ac can be a bit more problematic with rip-off cabs rampant and even getting to fields from clark can be an adventure. that being said a quick check on google earth shows me that walking distance from macarthur to narciso is less than half a mile so walking should not be a problem as long as is it is safe to do so. if i get a centrally located hotel i should never have to walk more than 1/4 mile on fields. but then again, is it safe to do this walk at 3am?
the nudity is nice in pattaya as well although it was not as explicit as i would like. some bars had a few nude dancers doing special shows but most girls wore miniskirts albeit without any underwear. if you want a peek they usually wanted a 20 baht tip and sometimes then the peek wasn't very good. is nude dancing still banned in ac? also with a tip or lady drink in pattaya you are quite free to get grabby with the dancers. how about ac?
as for lodging i found several adequate hotels in the walking street area for around 500 baht ($16) per night. it seems that in ac it is more desirable to get quality accomodation due to the lack of a beach and the generally lower building standards there so hotel needs to run around $35 / night although i cannot find anything on fields proper for less than $55 thereby more than cancelling out the cheaper girls compared to pats.
as for english i found that many of the girls in pats spoke a smattering. i think thai will be easier to learn than tagalog and anyway and i did not have any major communication problems.
and finally cuter girls. i really like the filipina look and this is the main reason i have been considering going there. i think the average filipina is cuter than the average thai but then again i have never been to the pi and am going by girls i have known in the usa. i was able to find some thai girls that could pass for filipina (short, a little porky, round face) along with some that looked chinese, some that looked japanese, etc. so with the larger working girl population i think anyone that likes asian women should be able to find something they like. the filipinas seem more outgoing, especially from what i have seen in youtube videos. the filipinas seem to show off for the camera (like brasileiras) while the thais tend to hide from the camera.
so what can i conclude from my rambling, half-informed diatribe? 1) i like filipinas but can make due with thais; 2) considering girls, lodging, and transport cost is very close in both locations and a responsible traveller can live large at $100 / day; 3) i will probably go to ac at some point to check it out; 4) any and all ac experts please correct my mistakes here.
GregLondon
12-09-10, 11:03
since i have never been to ac but want to go i never tire of this endless debate. but now that i have one pattaya trip under my belt allow me to comment.
is bbbj really an issue in pats? i went with 9 girls on my trip. 7 did bbbj without question. 1 requested a condom and when i balked she did bbbj no problem. 1 refused to do any bj at all. however the only girls i met willing to do cim were from devil's den so you may actually have a valid point there although if you make it known that it is your priority in the go gos (i did not) then i'll bet you'll find some takers.
i am also trying to get a handle on expense comparisons. in pats i paid from 1500 to 2600 baht for lt including barfine pulling girls from walking street beer bars, soi 13 area go gos, and walking street go gos in increasing amounts. i negotiated some but not too hardcore. that is equivalent to $50-86. note i negociated for another guy a beer bar girl lt for 500 baht. she was over 40 but still attractive.
from what i am reading here it seems that a typical fields barfine is from php1500-3000+a tip of around 500-700 for lt so about $46-86? prices then almost the same as pats but of course there must be girls in pats commanding 3000+600 baht ($120) per night i just never pulled them so likewise i would probably avoid the $86 girls in ac so i will have to give a $20 / day or so edge to ac.
i keep reading about runners in ac. i never feared a runner in pats because they got paid on leaving. i guess by explicitly promising the tip for good lt service most of them can be avoided.
transport to and around pattaya was simple and cheap even for this newbie. i took the 124 baht ($4) bus there from the airport and got around quite well on the 10 baht (33 cent) buses. also everything was close together and i was able to walk to most places in a few minutes and streets were occupied 24 hours per day so i was never worried about getting jacked up. from what i read here transport in ac can be a bit more problematic with rip-off cabs rampant and even getting to fields from clark can be an adventure. that being said a quick check on google earth shows me that walking distance from macarthur to narciso is less than half a mile so walking should not be a problem as long as is it is safe to do so. if i get a centrally located hotel i should never have to walk more than 1/4 mile on fields. but then again, is it safe to do this walk at 3am?
the nudity is nice in pattaya as well although it was not as explicit as i would like. some bars had a few nude dancers doing special shows but most girls wore miniskirts albeit without any underwear. if you want a peek they usually wanted a 20 baht tip and sometimes then the peek wasn't very good. is nude dancing still banned in ac? also with a tip or lady drink in pattaya you are quite free to get grabby with the dancers. how about ac?
as for lodging i found several adequate hotels in the walking street area for around 500 baht ($16) per night. it seems that in ac it is more desirable to get quality accomodation due to the lack of a beach and the generally lower building standards there so hotel needs to run around $35 / night although i cannot find anything on fields proper for less than $55 thereby more than cancelling out the cheaper girls compared to pats.
as for english i found that many of the girls in pats spoke a smattering. i think thai will be easier to learn than tagalog and anyway and i did not have any major communication problems.
and finally cuter girls. i really like the filipina look and this is the main reason i have been considering going there. i think the average filipina is cuter than the average thai but then again i have never been to the pi and am going by girls i have known in the usa. i was able to find some thai girls that could pass for filipina (short, a little porky, round face) along with some that looked chinese, some that looked japanese, etc. so with the larger working girl population i think anyone that likes asian women should be able to find something they like. the filipinas seem more outgoing, especially from what i have seen in youtube videos. the filipinas seem to show off for the camera (like brasileiras) while the thais tend to hide from the camera.
so what can i conclude from my rambling, half-informed diatribe? 1) i like filipinas but can make due with thais; 2) considering girls, lodging, and transport cost is very close in both locations and a responsible traveller can live large at $100 / day; 3) i will probably go to ac at some point to check it out; 4) any and all ac experts please correct my mistakes here. i don't see much difference in terms of bbbj s. i've been to pattaya maybe 12 times for an average say 3 weeks a trip, been to ac 3 times for an average stay of 3-4 days. that i think reflects the relative interest in the two places. girls are more expensive in patts but then you lose on hotels and esp food and transport both around town and getting there. the attitude of phil girls is on average much better with more unlimited rounds of sex. but other than that ac is a charmless place whereas patts is fun if flawed. the bottom line is that the reason i come to the phils is for the world class gfe on the semi pro scene which is difficult to get nowadays in thailand. but patts is one of the worst places to get such experience within phils as most of the "open minded" girls are working in bars. there is little in the way of a freelancer scene cf patts.
On The Road
12-09-10, 11:58
Shhtt. The tip police will say you gave her too much. 3 am to 9 am is barely LT, just barely.Yes, but I asked her to leave.
In what way can they not be compared? AC better? Or Pattaya better?Pattaya better. In term of mongering, much more choice, different kind of locations, I think 10 times more girls. In term of location, it is on the sea, you can do lot more than in AC (I took my PADI license there!) during daytime.
Well, I think you can easy spend several days or weeks in Pattaya, while in AC should be depressing.
Is BBBJ really an issue in Pats? I went with 9 girls on my trip. 7 did BBBJ without question. 1 requested a condom and when I balked she did BBBJ no problem. 1 refused to do any BJ at all.Where did you pick up the girl that requested a condom for BJ? How about the one that did not give BJ? How old were they and how long had they been working?
In the last few years I've noticed a lot more CBJ in Thailand especially in BKK and especially among girls that cater to Japanese clientele. Unfortunatley, this could become a trend.
Fast Buck Artist
12-09-10, 12:47
Looking for an Angeles City hotel that has internet connection in the rooms (not just lobby). A swimming pool would be a bonus but I can live without it.
Any suggestions guys?
Looking for an Angeles City hotel that has internet connection in the rooms (not just lobby). A swimming pool would be a bonus but I can live without it.
Any suggestions guys? There are many websites that can help you decide. When I planned my first trip, I started here.
http://www.margaritastation.com/hotels.html
Plus read the various boards.
You can't go wrong with the Pacific Breeze. If you are on a budget you can book into their sister hotel, the Central Park which gives you the privilege of using PB's pool.
For solid internet, I have stayed at Medgar Apartelle. The Walkabout has also been recommended. Tiger is cheap but their internet is very slow for my work.
Sweet! Thanks. They have very good rates (about $200 round trip). Do you know if I can book using a US Master Card? I get that impression from their FAQ.Sometimes you can.
For my first trip to AC (from HK) , online booking worked fine with Mastercard.
For second trip, Cebu online booking system refused to take the card. I ended up calling Cebu, and doing the booking over the phone (cost me a couple hundred extra HKD, damn & bastards!)
Dunno really why it worked the first time, but not the second. I recall reading somewhere that it may the bank / credit card company blocking the transaction. If your card is from the US (with your home address in US) , a booking from HK<-> AC looks suspicious to them. Maybe someone has hijacked your card. Calling your bank / credit card company in advance to let them know of the transaction is supposed to solve the problem. Good luck.
Word of warning: Cebu Pacific is a LCC. Fares are cheap for a reason, many reasons: no complimentary snack / drink during flight, damn small and cramped seats, flights frequently delayed.
I stayed at the Pacific Breeze last May and found I had to go to the front desk and request a cable (no charge) during stay. I then was able to get internet connection. Later I transfered to the Sunset Garden hotel. I was able to connect wireless both in my room and the restaurant. Sunset Garden also has a very nice pool. Hope this helps you. BTW the Sunset Garden is somewhat between Fields Ave and Perimeter Road.
Looking for an Angeles City hotel that has internet connection in the rooms (not just lobby). A swimming pool would be a bonus but I can live without it.
Any suggestions guys?
Where did you pick up the girl that requested a condom for BJ? How about the one that did not give BJ? How old were they and how long had they been working?
In the last few years I've noticed a lot more CBJ in Thailand especially in BKK and especially among girls that cater to Japanese clientele. Unfortunatley, this could become a trend. I cannot remember which girl the condom requestor was but I think it was from one of my first days and a Walking Street go go. It was not hard to convince her to do BBBJ though so I didn't think much about it later. If it was the girl I think it was I think she was over 30 but of course she looked younger.
The one that refused was from one of the restaurants on Walking Street. I cannot remember the name but it was near Soi Diamond. I think she was 24.
GregLondon
12-10-10, 05:03
Looking for an Angeles City hotel that has internet connection in the rooms (not just lobby). A swimming pool would be a bonus but I can live without it.
Any suggestions guys? The Donald Paul Appathotel at 1500P has a small pool plus wifi in the rooms. The owner has by poor thinking and tinkering building work contrived to destroy the atmosphere here over the last year and currently therre is no restaurant but the rooms are pretty comfortable and its the combination of wifi in room plus pool plus competitive price that has lead me here.
There may well be plenty of vacancies soon as incredibly the owner insisted on carrying out building work 10pm. 3am and the drilling and hammering pissed alot of the guests off as you might imagine.
To Matius.
That is kind of high for 3000 pesos just for a massage without FS, I am sure they will do FS on the side if the price is right.
Fast Eddie 48I have had "massage" from few of the girls in the pool bar and skybar and it includes FS. Downside its short time, most are local AC girls with families and boyfriends, one even with a boyfriend that works in ABC so she has to play cat and mouse games.
On The Road
12-10-10, 12:29
FBA, Central Park was really a bargain.
Can go to the Pacific Breeze pool, have in room (weak) wifi or (great) cabled connection for free. 5% discount if you pay cash, had towel change after a few hour with no charge, in room large safe, and they call your room when your girl is going away asking you if everything is ok.
Ended up paying less than 1500php for a big room quite in the middle of the action, breakfast included.
Sorry if this is an obvious question but is AC back to "normal"?
A few months ago I read many stories here about bar closings, banning of nude dancing, customers not being able to barfine, staff claiming not to know what "barfine" meant, etc. Reading posts here lately it seems that the place is back running as normal perhaps just without the nude dancing. Is that true? I may be planning my first visit there in 2 months and do not want to waste my time.
Thanks.
FAST EDDIE OR MC DON. I can't back track to find previous messages. What massage place are you refering to that has pool and sky something.
Thanks
Hi! I had a similar problem when I tried to book my flt online to Cebu. After several attempts, I called my bank and the explained that they "Red Flag" these types of overseas transactions as a way to protect their customers. I then authorized the transaction with my bank and everything was fine after that. Hope this helps you.
Sometimes you can.
For my first trip to AC (from HK) , online booking worked fine with Mastercard.
For second trip, Cebu online booking system refused to take the card. I ended up calling Cebu, and doing the booking over the phone (cost me a couple hundred extra HKD, damn & bastards!)
Dunno really why it worked the first time, but not the second. I recall reading somewhere that it may the bank / credit card company blocking the transaction. If your card is from the US (with your home address in US) , a booking from HK<- AC looks suspicious to them. Maybe someone has hijacked your card. Calling your bank / credit card company in advance to let them know of the transaction is supposed to solve the problem. Good luck.
Word of warning: Cebu Pacific is a LCC. Fares are cheap for a reason, many reasons: no complimentary snack / drink during flight, damn small and cramped seats, flights frequently delayed.
There is little in the way of a freelancer scene cf Patts.Hi Greg,
Perhaps this is a typo. Was in patts several months ago and all along the length of Beach Road at nite is nothing but Freelancers. Perhaps several hundred on a good night, although most are in the ugly category but still FL.
FZ
Depends on what you are looking for.
Reasons Angeles is better than Pattaya:
1) Cheaper girls.
2) Girls speak English.
3) BBBJ is standard; in Thailand you have to ask.
4) Easier to get girls to do lesbian stuff (IMO)
Reasons Pattaya is better than Angeles:
1) Go-go bars has full nudity with lesbian shows.
2) More girls and bars in terms of quantity.
3) Better food.
4) Better transportation system; 10 baht songtaew bus instead of the rip-off trikes.
5) Better accomodation in terms of value.
6) More non-mongering activities.
7) A lot more safer.
8) Easier to get cuter girls (There's more bars, and plus IMO, the average quality is slightly higher)
Pattaya would normally win hands down, but the price factor does matter. It kills my budget to bar fine 2 or 3 girls from a Pattaya go-go bar. Not true that all AC girls will automatically give BJ. Some had to be asked (and some had to be "begged for")
True, the patts go go will ruin some budget but not more than the 3000p spotlight dancers at Fields. Which is why I avoid both and stay with regular bar girls.
FZ
Appears to be a lot of effort for nothing. You do know that some bars, like Gecko's, give the girl an extra day's pay if she returns to the bar from a barfine during her shift? Even a third day's pay if she does a second short time bf and returns before the shift is over. This does not matter to many as they only want a short time, but in some bars there is a financial incentive in the girl not staying all night with you. There are penalties in some bars for girls that fail to get enough ladies drinks before taking a barfine or take a multiple day barfine without reporting to work on the second and successive days. Not always the case, but at times some of the most popular bars have the incentives rigged against you unless you are willing to financially compensate. The girl will almost never tell you this.Thanks for the insight for Gecko as I did not know about the girls "kickbacks". Sound like a likely place for a runner as the deck is already stacked against us.
Perhaps you can share nice info about other bars you know or we could ask Jackson to set up a Thread just for such info as the one you had on Gecko.
Anyway, any nice inside juicy info on any bars in AC will be helpful to me to avoid runners on my next trip.
Like posted before, I had a runner from the Bunny Ranch and when I complain to mama, found out she was in on it.
FZ.
Also, pictures and names and which bars she was from can only help us.
FAST EDDIE OR MC DON. I can't back track to find previous messages. What massage place are you refering to that has pool and sky something.
ThanksWe were discussing the Pool Bar and Sky Bar within ABC hotel. The girls there bill 3000 peso for "massage" which is FS sex in your ABC room. What makes them different is that they only go with ABC guests at least the once in the Pool bar and somewhat I guess more exclusive in terms of millage.
Depends on what you are looking for.
Reasons Angeles is better than Pattaya:
1) Cheaper girls.
2) Girls speak English.
3) BBBJ is standard; in Thailand you have to ask.
4) Easier to get girls to do lesbian stuff (IMO)
Reasons Pattaya is better than Angeles:
1) Go-go bars has full nudity with lesbian shows.
2) More girls and bars in terms of quantity.
3) Better food.
4) Better transportation system; 10 baht songtaew bus instead of the rip-off trikes.
5) Better accomodation in terms of value.
6) More non-mongering activities.
7) A lot more safer.
8) Easier to get cuter girls (There's more bars, and plus IMO, the average quality is slightly higher)
Pattaya would normally win hands down, but the price factor does matter. It kills my budget to bar fine 2 or 3 girls from a Pattaya go-go bar. Good feedback from people. That's how this site should work.
It's correct that some (small percentage?) AC girls will refuse BJ, but the girls that do will always do BB (from my experience).
Probably all beach road freelancers and most girls from the ranchy go-gos will do BBBJ. But some of the top notch girls from the top 2 go-gos bars in terms of looks (IMO will be Super Baby and Super Girl) will not do BBBJ. I thought that was also the case with the cutest girls from Nana.
Pattaya will still be more expensive even comparing the 3000 peso spotlight girl (LT which turns into ST) vs 2700 baht (ST) or 3700 bath (LT) in the best Pattaya go-go bars. US dollar sucks; it's going down. One advantage of Pattaya is that you can negotiate with the girls for the tip. But not sure if you can do that with the best looking girls in the go-go bars. I haven't really tried it. But you definitely can with the average looking girls. The other night late in a go go bar, a decent looking girl offered 1000 baht for long time.
Pattaya can be not as expensive if you pick up beach road girls and negotiate with the girls at the go-go bars. Or not go to the top notch go go bars.
True that overall prices will be similar if you factor in accomodation and transportation cost. But that scale goes down the drain if you are a heavy drink and generous buyer of ladies' drinks. It can get expensive to drink at Pattaya. Normal beers at go go bars will be 115 to 150 baht (most seem to be 120). Cheaper during happy hours, or with the all night draft beer special. Open air bars will also be cheaper. Even cheaper will be to buy a beer at the 7-11 and hang out on walking street or on beach road. I forgot; beers at AC Fields road will be approx 100 or 120 pesos?
It amazes me that people still compare AC to Pattaya. These are 2 different cities in 2 different countries and although both renown as mongering destination essentially there are way too many differences. Pattaya is much bigger, older mongering destination with more established gogos and reputation, which is essence, means a lot more choice in terms of mongering activities. From you massage parlours to all sorts of kinky fetishes, boutiques sex hotels whatever your heart desires is there. You will find most things in Angeles too but its harder and you need local knowledge hence why this forum is important. Having said that Angeles is smaller, more organised and MONGORING ONLY destination. I for one hate what Pattaya has become over the last 10 years (I am sure the trend has been evident even longer but this is from my experience) a mixture of mongering / budget tourism for Russians and Indians and cheep Charlies. I feel more comfortable to be among my own in AC then in Pattaya. Anyway.
If you do short trips like myself (10-14 day max – 5-6 times a year) then AC is the way to go. AC can become boring and I don't think I can last a whole month there. You have to visit few places in PHI if you stay a month as oppose to a BKK / Pattaya combo in Thailand. If you do a month long trips then Pattaya is the way to go. As far as bang for your buck there is very little difference when you add price of food / accommodation, transport (airfares are generally cheaper to Bangkok then AC, keep that in mind).
Service depends on your negotiating skills, the mood of the girl, the attitude you have towards the girl, luck. You name it.
I was in Pattaya Monday through Wednesday this week and for the first time ever I could not wait to get out of town. I picked up a nice dancer from Alcatraz and after bar hopping with her and spending a fair bit of cash on her friends we went back into my room and she could not stop complaining about you name it. The aircon, the tv, the noise that the fridge was making LOL. Service was pathetic and I turned what was supposed to be a LT into ST very quickly. Same thing happened from 2 other bars on walking st and this is in the course of 2 nights and we are talking barflies that happened 11 pm +. I have NEVER had this happen in AC. The only good thing I can report about my Pattaya trip is Soi 6 is still great during the day and next time that is where I will be hanging around. I have had enough of the Walking St circus. Give it few years and Walking St will turn into another Bangala road with tourist attractions and tourist show rip offs rather than sex tourism Mecca.
We were discussing the Pool Bar and Sky Bar within ABC hotel. The girls there bill 3000 peso for "massage" which is FS sex in your ABC room. What makes them different is that they only go with ABC guests at least the once in the Pool bar and somewhat I guess more exclusive in terms of millage.That seems to be a reasonable deal if the girls are attractive and low mileage.
Do they insist on condoms?
It works out to pretty much the same as you pay in both Roman Suites and Palacio Don Pedro in Makati for FS massage.
Both these places require 1100 - 1400 for room (depending on time of day) and the girls all want 2000 php these days even though many guys say they insist on 1500 only. So seems like a reasonable deal to me.
If you do short trips like myself (10-14 day max – 5-6 times a year) then AC is the way to go. AC can become boring and I don't think I can last a whole month there.I tried it 30 days straight years ago and never thought I would say " I was bored with cold beer and hot Pinay pussy."
Your idea of 10-14 days sounds ideal.
Slim
I tried it 30 days straight years ago and never thought I would say " I was bored with cold beer and hot Pinay pussy."
Your idea of 10-14 days sounds ideal.
SlimTwo weeks is just right for me. After that no more pussy for me. I usually crave for something else, like scuba diving and other sports.
Streetlooker
12-11-10, 19:54
I was in AC for 3 weeks and I Never got bored. Guess there is a art to Wasting time
Pattaya will still be more expensive even comparing the 3000 peso spotlight girl (LT which turns into ST) vs 2700 baht (ST) or 3700 bath (LT) in the best Pattaya go-go bars. US dollar sucks; it's going down. One advantage of Pattaya is that you can negotiate with the girls for the tip. But not sure if you can do that with the best looking girls in the go-go bars. I haven't really tried it. But you definitely can with the average looking girls. The other night late in a go go bar, a decent looking girl offered 1000 baht for long time.
Just curious also what bar was that with the 1000 baht long time?
I love both Pattaya and angeles. I live in angeles most of the time.
Pattaya is more expensive with the prices and tips. You can negotiate but that can lead to other problems also.
Angeles you do not need to negotiate. Its one set price. Bar fine and girl share is all inclusive. Tips are optional. Some girls ask and some don't. I give tip depending on service. But the tip can be trike fare of 100 to 200 pesos.
Or if really good maybe 500 pesos.
Almost never more then that as I live here and will see the girl again?
Problem here now with bars is about 50%infection rate? If bb.
Pattaya great because you are walking around by the ocean. And the girls are so hot. But don't speak english as much as the filipina girls.
Then the filipina girls speak english but don't always understand it.
Love Pattaya for the nude clubs and naked shows. Angeles is more covered up and recent raids on bars have increased the clubs paranoia
Problem here now with bars is about 50%infection rate? If bb.What do you mean 50% infection rate? Do you mean 50% of the girls have an STD?
Andy Stevens
12-12-10, 08:41
What do you mean 50% infection rate? Do you mean 50% of the girls have an STD?I just assume they all have something even if it's not life threatening. Just be sure to strap on for every boom boom session and all should be fine. Well most of the time. I did have a friend catch an STD from a bargirl because the condom broke. Nothing is guaranteed I guess but you can always lessen your chances.
Azn Slayer
12-12-10, 10:14
Gents,
Was wondering how Christmas and new years holiday is at AC and Manila? Is it mostly empty with girls going back home to their provinces? I am thinking about making a trip to Philippines during that time. Thanks in advance for your responses.
Just curious also what bar was that with the 1000 baht long time? Super Silver Ago-go on Soi 7.
Normal rack rate should be 1500 baht short time, in addition to the bar fine.
It seems that girls will get desparate late at night.
Smooth Slim
12-12-10, 21:17
Headed to AC early next year for a stay over 30 days. Looking for information the quality of Elben Villas and Townhouses or DM Residente Villas?
Also looking for other possible long-term stay options.
I have stayed at the Wild Orchid and Royal Amsterdam and enjoyed both hotels. But both stays were for less than a week.
Any information would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
What do you mean 50% infection rate? Do you mean 50% of the girls have an STD?It seems like the girls go to hygiene for just go but not get treated or not taking their medications if they are infected with std. I know of friends who got infected with these bar girls.
Sancho2063
12-13-10, 02:38
Gents,
Was wondering how Christmas and new years holiday is at AC and Manila? Is it mostly empty with girls going back home to their provinces? I am thinking about making a trip to Philippines during that time. Thanks in advance for your responses. I was in Manila the week before and the week of Christmas last year. Don't know what I was thinking doing it that way but I wished I would have been there for New Years. Aside from the traffic I had a blast. I met a MILF online who was basically my wife for the whole time. I t was my first time there so I wanted to be with someone I could trust. I am looking forward to going again. Women there are hot and very friendly. One could pick up a regular girl there easy.
Rob Woodrow
12-13-10, 06:44
We were discussing the Pool Bar and Sky Bar within ABC hotel. The girls there bill 3000 peso for "massage" which is FS sex in your ABC room. What makes them different is that they only go with ABC guests at least the once in the Pool bar and somewhat I guess more exclusive in terms of millage.Oh, I don't know about low mileage. One of them was on my regular outcall list, until I found out she would take the money and barfine guys from hosto bars.
Not sure if this has been discussed already? Came across this on the Margarita Site. Apparently some half with likes to assault unsuspecting old men.
Hopefully he will not last long in Angeles.
http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=283
Cheers
GregLondon
12-15-10, 01:27
It amazes me that people still compare AC to Pattaya. These are 2 different cities in 2 different countries and although both renown as mongering destination essentially there are way too many differences. Pattaya is much bigger, older mongering destination with more established gogos and reputation, which is essence, means a lot more choice in terms of mongering activities. From you massage parlours to all sorts of kinky fetishes, boutiques sex hotels whatever your heart desires is there. You will find most things in Angeles too but its harder and you need local knowledge hence why this forum is important. Having said that Angeles is smaller, more organised and MONGORING ONLY destination. I for one hate what Pattaya has become over the last 10 years (I am sure the trend has been evident even longer but this is from my experience) a mixture of mongering / budget tourism for Russians and Indians and cheep Charlies. I feel more comfortable to be among my own in AC then in Pattaya. Anyway.
If you do short trips like myself (10-14 day max – 5-6 times a year) then AC is the way to go. AC can become boring and I don't think I can last a whole month there. You have to visit few places in PHI if you stay a month as oppose to a BKK / Pattaya combo in Thailand. If you do a month long trips then Pattaya is the way to go. As far as bang for your buck there is very little difference when you add price of food / accommodation, transport (airfares are generally cheaper to Bangkok then AC, keep that in mind).
Service depends on your negotiating skills, the mood of the girl, the attitude you have towards the girl, luck. You name it.
I was in Pattaya Monday through Wednesday this week and for the first time ever I could not wait to get out of town. I picked up a nice dancer from Alcatraz and after bar hopping with her and spending a fair bit of cash on her friends we went back into my room and she could not stop complaining about you name it. The aircon, the tv, the noise that the fridge was making LOL. Service was pathetic and I turned what was supposed to be a LT into ST very quickly. Same thing happened from 2 other bars on walking st and this is in the course of 2 nights and we are talking barflies that happened 11 pm +. I have NEVER had this happen in AC. The only good thing I can report about my Pattaya trip is Soi 6 is still great during the day and next time that is where I will be hanging around. I have had enough of the Walking St circus. Give it few years and Walking St will turn into another Bangala road with tourist attractions and tourist show rip offs rather than sex tourism Mecca. Not sure why you should be amazed, these are the two most obvious mongering destinations in SEA and you have just provided a very competent comparison.
My own take is that for the relative newbie Pattaya is a much better bet in terms of the whole package inc food accommodation, choice things to do etc. However Pattya has changed probably for the worse over the last 10 years and many such as McDn have become jaded in which case AC is worth a try, however it's not a place to stay long term IMHO, a week is enough IMHO. If you have more time than theat bettter combine it with another destination.
Normad2020
12-15-10, 05:58
Fellow forum members, I read recently that there will be direct flights operating from Singapore to AC in early next year. 2011. What that means is that there will be generally an influx of Singaporean hopping over to AC to enjoy the "fruits of passion".
My questions are:
(1) given the relative behavior of Singaporeans on weekends (over in Batam where they grabbed everything that moves and inflated mongering prices) , is AC ready for them?
(2) given a new source of patron for the mongering industry in AC, would that translate to better accommodation and facilities in AC to cater to the rather "picky" new crowd?
(3) what about the regular mongers to AC, and you the local experts? How do you feel about the new development?
I am just thinking out loud (with not punt intended to offend anyone). I hope some members here might want to share their opinion and maybe even suggestion based on your experience.
Hope to receive some feedback. Cheers
Rubberyman
12-15-10, 07:21
Fellow forum members, I read recently that there will be direct flights operating from Singapore to AC in early next year. 2011. What that means is that there will be generally an influx of Singaporean hopping over to AC to enjoy the "fruits of passion".
My questions are:
(1) given the relative behavior of Singaporeans on weekends (over in Batam where they grabbed everything that moves and inflated mongering prices) , is AC ready for them?
(2) given a new source of patron for the mongering industry in AC, would that translate to better accommodation and facilities in AC to cater to the rather "picky" new crowd?
(3) what about the regular mongers to AC, and you the local experts? How do you feel about the new development?
I am just thinking out loud (with not punt intended to offend anyone). I hope some members here might want to share their opinion and maybe even suggestion based on your experience.
Hope to receive some feedback. CheersUm, there are already direct flights. At least two per day from Singapore with Tiger Airways, and iirc Cebu Pacific has one.
I have not checked any others.
It does not seem to have made a noticeable difference so far. The reason being that they can still get to Batam much quicker than to PI. Even if it is direct. At least, that is my take on it.
Fellow forum members, I read recently that there will be direct flights operating from Singapore to AC in early next year. 2011. What that means is that there will be generally an influx of Singaporean hopping over to AC to enjoy the "fruits of passion".
Sure, there are a few Singaporeans enjoying AC, but not in sufficient numbers to impact the market in anyway. They already have Batam only a stone's throw away (in addition to OT and Geylang) , so the majority don't need to fly all the way to AC.
Tiger Airways is catering more towards Pinoy DH (maids aka Domestic Helpers) working in Singapore, other budget travellers who don't feel like forking out the extra $$ for the mainstream carriers that fly into NAIA and then possibly hobbyist like ourselves whose international flights terminate at SIN (and need another flight to MNL or CRK).
Philosophery
12-15-10, 16:37
sure, there are a few singaporeans enjoying ac, but not in sufficient numbers to impact the market in anyway. they already have batam only a stone's throw away (in addition to ot and geylang) , so the majority don't need to fly all the way to ac.
tiger airways is catering more towards pinoy dh (maids aka domestic helpers) working in singapore, other budget travellers who don't feel like forking out the extra $$ for the mainstream carriers that fly into naia and then possibly hobbyist like ourselves whose international flights terminate at sin (and need another flight to mnl or crk). i flew from angeles to singapore in october and the tiger airways flight was 90% full and 40% of the passengers were singaporean.
most of the singaporean sex tourists go to either the riau islands (batam, etc.) or dongguan.
My questions are:
(1) given the relative behavior of Singaporeans on weekends (over in Batam where they grabbed everything that moves and inflated mongering prices) , is AC ready for them? In my opinion, AC has already been ruined by the Koreans. Keep in mind Singapore is a country of only five million or so, so I really don't think Singaporean mongers will make a dent in the AC mongering scene.
(2) given a new source of patron for the mongering industry in AC, would that translate to better accommodation and facilities in AC to cater to the rather "picky" new crowd?
I would hope so, but again, look the Koreans that go to AC. They open up dumpholes like the Tiger Hotel and Sun Moon, both low budget cheapies. I would love it if a Singaporean opened up a proper hotel in AC. AC has some of the worst hotel choices of any city I have been to in the world, especially once you factor in the prices for the value of the room.
(3) what about the regular mongers to AC, and you the local experts? How do you feel about the new development?
I really don't think Singaporeans coming to AC is anything to worry about. Besides, Singapore is a great city for mongering, in some ways I think it's a better mongering destination than AC; it deinitely has better looking girls and better variety. Who would choose Pinays over beautiful Chinese girls?
Actually, now that I think about it, the only two things that make AC better than Singapore are the cheaper prices, and the bareback services. Singapore is better in every other way!
Normad2020
12-16-10, 03:28
to: rubberyman, poopbunny, philisophery & ezinho,
thank you very much for your feedback. i guess the singaporeans will not cause a lot of change in ac. we will still have some reasonable hotels and some "dump" to look forward too and streets that resembles some old "wild west" towns. lol.
great to hear this as this will mean another trip to ac in 2011 should be in the pipeline, on top of my annual trip to pattaya. hmmmm now i will need to do some more serious reading on the ac trend for latest fr from experts on this forum.
cheers
Normad2020
12-16-10, 03:36
mate, maybe there is an opportunity to "arrange" something with these returning dh (whilst on the flight from sin to ac) so that they might accompany us for a few days in ac before returning to their home. worth a thought?
i am sure these dh will be horny after going for months without a man in singapore (maybe with the exception of providing additional services to her employer. hehehehe). and the additional side income will be most welcome. imagine getting a less used companion as compared to the bar girls in ac. hmmmm.
cheers.
sure, there are a few singaporeans enjoying ac, but not in sufficient numbers to impact the market in anyway. they already have batam only a stone's throw away (in addition to ot and geylang) , so the majority don't need to fly all the way to ac.
tiger airways is catering more towards pinoy dh (maids aka domestic helpers) working in singapore, other budget travellers who don't feel like forking out the extra $$ for the mainstream carriers that fly into naia and then possibly hobbyist like ourselves whose international flights terminate at sin (and need another flight to mnl or crk).
Econo Tech
12-16-10, 05:17
sure, there are a few singaporeans enjoying ac, but not in sufficient numbers to impact the market in anyway. they already have batam only a stone's throw away (in addition to ot and geylang) , so the majority don't need to fly all the way to ac.
tiger airways is catering more towards pinoy dh (maids aka domestic helpers) working in singapore, other budget travellers who don't feel like forking out the extra $$ for the mainstream carriers that fly into naia and then possibly hobbyist like ourselves whose international flights terminate at sin (and need another flight to mnl or crk). to be honest, singaporeans prefer thailand and indonesia (batam especially since they can disappear and be back. with nobody noticing it.)
and add to it, the general singapore style is "go home after the deed" and being far as ac is a big no-no.
true, a few have tasted ac, but majority still don't like ac, simply do to the fear that chinese stand out and are targets for scam. and coming to money, man, you can't find a chinese who is loose with his money, and sometimes they could throw a challenge to the most stingiest people on the world. after all, they are chinese. .
the singaporeans whom i know to have visited phil only had contempt, when they realised the flashy filipina bar girls in singapore are living in something just better than a garbage dump and more than enough have sworn off phil after taking on offers for private guides / special deals which ended up in their getting ripped up. not many want to even step into philippines.
you don't need to worry about singaporeans.
it is just that with about 12 daily flights, tr. 5j and 2p, sq and pr, plus 3k, a few singaporeans feel like stretching their legs, but not more than 10% are repeats.
as for clark, the majority of the people flying in are the hordes of filipinos who have found singapore as the next best alternate to middle east, and the earning and near-ness of singapore allows them to take weekend sojourns back home. and not worry too much about spending a fortune for visiting parents and family.
as i know. out of the 40 plus filipinos in our op, except a few, almost all have booked flights to phil departing on the 23rd and back on 28th. and not miss much on leave.
no sir, you don't need to worry about singaporeans. and singaporean tourists too don't pose a threat and with the wonderful dept of tourism in phil, not many even know about what phil has to offer, and obviously ac is off the list of must-visit places. . .
my 2 cents.
for those with doubts- a comment i see often in the singapore forums.
"till the next trip. lesson learnt is tt just look at the scene in the bars first and don't buy a drink. total expenses about 600sgd including hotel. must learn to budget a bit for the next trip and avoid spending unnessarily."
Mate, maybe there is an opportunity to "arrange" something with these returning DH (whilst on the flight from Sin to AC) so that they might accompany us for a few days in AC before returning to their home. Worth a thought?
I am sure these DH will be horny after going for months without a man in Singapore (maybe with the exception of providing additional services to her employer. Hehehehe). And the additional side income will be most welcome. Imagine getting a less used companion as compared to the bar girls in AC. Hmmmm.
Cheers. LOL, Nomad how about arranging some in flight entertainment and joining the mile high club like I did earlyer this year. Those DH get more cock then you think you just need to know where to look for them while in Singapore. Also why would they want to do you at Phil prices when they know the Sing price? That will NEVER work, as soon as they hit ground in AC there is someone waiting for them and believe me they can't wait to get home to see their family as often in sing they work them to the bone without much holidays. I have done the Tiger, Cebu and Airasia (out of KL) flight over 20 times so believe me I know. What you want is arranging something with them on their way back to Singapore, that way you get a cheepie (I have arranged all nighters with hotties for S$100 even a week for S$500) in what is a fairly expensive mongoring destination.
Fellow forum members, I read recently that there will be direct flights operating from Singapore to AC in early next year. 2011. What that means is that there will be generally an influx of Singaporean hopping over to AC to enjoy the "fruits of passion".
My questions are:
(1) given the relative behavior of Singaporeans on weekends (over in Batam where they grabbed everything that moves and inflated mongering prices) , is AC ready for them?
(2) given a new source of patron for the mongering industry in AC, would that translate to better accommodation and facilities in AC to cater to the rather "picky" new crowd?
(3) what about the regular mongers to AC, and you the local experts? How do you feel about the new development?
I am just thinking out loud (with not punt intended to offend anyone). I hope some members here might want to share their opinion and maybe even suggestion based on your experience.
Hope to receive some feedback. Cheers1. AC is ready for them but they won't come. Supply in AC outstrips demand on any given night by at least 5:1. Why would a Singaporeans go to AC for a weekend and spend 7 hours in a plane plus another 3 hours in airports, taxies and so on when he can stay home and get better quality pinays? Yes AC is cheaper but add cost of accommodation, food, flight it makes no sense to go for 2 days. Batham in 45 min away, phuket an hour and 30 min, bankgkok, jakarta, surabaya, Bali, vietnam, Malaysia are all closer and in most cases there is very little difference in terms of price. Simular or close in terms of distance is HK and Macao (where you will find most of the reacher sing mongers) As Ezinho stated Singapore is far superior for mongering then AC, all AC has is price and pinoy (if that is your thing. It certainly is mine but most reach asian singaporians have the hots for China dolls).
2. Nope. Even if another 200 mongers come on daily basis it will not translate in new hotels. ABC is is increasing capacity and so are few of the other better hotels. Point is AC attracts budget mongers and will continue to do so. A singaporian would invest in a geylang style hotel there, which is the only thing that makes sense.
3. As a regular I don't really care. I find that I have different taste to them so its likely will continue to peruse the taller whitter skin girls while I try to find my gems among the other types. No issue with them, in general I prefer them to say Koreans or Japs any day as they are more westerner friendly and speak English to begin with. I have never been discriminated against in Singapore and usually my dollar there is just as good (even though I sometimes have to pay more) unlike in Japan or Korea where they would not let you in certain places even if you offer to pay tenfold.
http://www.margarita-station.com/readfull.php?m=293
http://www.margarita-station.com/readfull.php?m=293
From another site:
"The info supplied from the police was Billy was shot 6 times he was shot 3 times in the back of his head and 3 times in his back and was found down a dirt road in the middle of nowhere police believe he was followed from his house and later ambushed witness saw 3 men on a bike he was found at 1pm today."RIP brother"
Hard to believe it is true. I have drank many beers with him.
Robb
http://www.angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=569
Phantomtiger2
12-19-10, 00:29
Had to go to Manila for several days 2 weeks ago so I made sure I had enough time for a quick diversion to AC. Lucky it is only about 90mins away.
Arrived without reservations as it was pretty much last min. Found out all my favorite hotels were fully booked as it is near the peak holidays. Also lucky I was traveling light so easy to move around and locate a place for 2 nights before shipping back to Manila.
Ended up in Perimeter area hotels as some were not full.
As it was early, I decided to head towards the Diamond subdivision area as I have not been there in quite a long time.
Went to Pearly Gates for a few rounds of pool with 2 waitress as I was the only customer at the time. Normally, other guys are there, the waitress will not play pool with you as they give it up to other customers to play among themselves. But not a problem if you insist on playing with the gals, but always best to buy them a drink for their time.
Note: this bar do not have any dancers or a stage, just a few waitresses.
One waitress was ok in looks and not a bad player either. (for full discloser-I suck at pool so anyone with some talent will look good with me).
We played about 6 rounds and I manage to beat her only once, but I think she let me win the last one on purpose to save face (for me). I appreciated that gesture and bought her a 2nd LD for her kindness, although she kept insisting I beat her in a fair game (yeah right, it was obvious she kept missing the 8 ball on easy shots on purpose)
Since it was still early (about 6pm) , I told her I would be back later tonight and play a little more and if she was still around, I told her I'll BF later.
Not really sure if I truly wanted to come back for her but I was going back to my hotel in Perimeter and take a shower and a shit and then out to dinner and barhop for awhile around Freedom area-as I also have not been there for a long time.
Went to Jolly Frogs and sat down for a beer and sat right at the stage to catch the talent. Not too bad. 2 younger dancers that were not there before since last year. Wanted to BF one of the gals but lucky I questioned her first and found she was already BF so didn't have to waste any LD on that one. Asked the other cute one but again she told me already BF earlier by a Korean that will pick her up after 9pm. Damn the Koreans. Sucks that this bar is in the middle of Korean town.
One other gal kept reaching down to touch me, hinting she was available without saying it. She was average looks but had a nice slim body. Couldn't decide if to take out or not so I left.
(just a note: heard from the mama that they sometimes refuse BF if they never seen you before or suspect you are vice)
Took a jeepney to Perimeter Road and walked over to Stargate.
Talent was so so with chubbier gals than I remember the last time I visited.
Sat down anyway and order a beer as I was told the 2nd group of gals were about to change on stage in 10mins.
2nd group was no better than the 1st group and the waitress there were far from cute so I finish my beer and left.
Hopped on a jeepney for Fields. Got off and walked around a little and the usual guys trying to sell me generic Vit V but then one of the guys offered 2 ladies along with the drug and said use the drug with the gals and I will cum or I don't have to pay him-well, never heard that offer before but I stuck with the old saying that if it sounds too good to be true than it is probably a scam so I passed on it-too bad though as the 2 gals with him were HOT HOT HOT.
Walked the length of Fields and then remembered my pool partner from early this afternoon. Walked to corner of MacArthur and took a jeepney back to the bar.
It was about 10pm now and surprise she was still there. She was happy to see me and said she had waited for me all day and pass up a BF from another guy earlier (I'm quite sure that is not true but said it to make me feel good and to take her out for being so loyal).
Order a round of drinks for the 2 of us and played 2 more games before calling it quits for the nite and paid the BF for her.
Shocked her as I told her my hotel was all the way on the other side of town in Perimeter. She said almost nobody from that side ever BF gals here. All I said was do you still want to go with me and she said ok.
Rather than taking 2 jeepney back to hotel, flag down a trike and she negotiated a good price of 60p for us. If I had open my mouth with the negot. The price would be much higher.
Back in the room, she showered first but I sneak in anyway to "help" her with washing her hard to reach areas. She started to jerk me off in the shower but I stopped her as I wanted to relax in bed.
Allowed DATY for as long as I wanted. Gave a ok BJ, nothing special. Tits were small but firm (looked bigger at the bar because of the damn push up bras). Slight tummy but body was ok overall. She liked to bite my lips when we were kissing. Couldn't finish all positions as I was too horny all day to hold my load any longer. Blasted on her tits with a smile. She said why so much (cum) , I said thats only half of it as give me an hour or so for me to refuel. Watch TV for a bit but I was too tired and fell asleep.
Woke up about 4am and found my shaft was hard again so I started to poke her lightly at the tip of her ass as she slept. She woke up and redirected my dick to her pussy and I pushed all the way in as she gave a small moaning sound. She was still half asleep as I pounded away and release 10min later. She was awake by then and all I could say was this is the other half of my load I promise you earlier. She went to shower off my cum and came back to sleep.
Woke up at 10am and didn't object for a quick round before she left, but didn't have enough in me to finish so let her go after that.
Gave her trike money tips=100p and she left with a smile.
Off for a shower, dress up and out the door for a late breakfast.
PT
GregLondon
12-19-10, 01:54
I'm not a big fan of bars so I tend to stay just a few days in Ac before moving to other places in the Phils. On thing that annoys me about AC is the difficulty (at least I have) of finding freelancer options. If you go to the disco it seems that most of the good looking girls are actually bar girls that people have BFed to take bar hoping. Similarly if you approach girls in the street they will inevitably say that they are working at a bar and if you want them go and bar fine them ("sneaking out" will often result in a fine or sacking if they are caught.)
For most of my time in AC I ended up with a cute and very bright and articulate 23 year old currently living in Manila. I'm convinced she will make someone an excellent Phil wife. On the last day when this girl left on the morning bus I called a couple of DIA Angeles contacts. The first was chubby and had a baby (not disclosed in profile) so I sent her on her way with 100P saying I "felt guilty" about cheating on my GF. I then called another who came around 30 mins later and turned out to be a cracker. She also had a baby undisclosed in her profile (but had told me when I asked directly). She was actually pretty cute with an excellent slim but busty body with no sign of stretch marks etc combined with a great attitude. She had a big pimple on the end of her nose which she was very embarrassed about but having had more than my fair share of spots at her age I was sympathetic She truly lived up to her promise of unlimited as many times as you can manage sex and gave excellent and enthusiastic BBBJ plus sex with condom 5 or 6 times during the day. She never asked for payment but of course I understand she has bills to pay and a kid to provide for so gave her 1000P which she was happy with.
I see she has replaced her mediocre DIA photo with a bikini shot I took of her in the pool which gives a good idea of her figure, and which I dare say will get her much more noticed than before. She is ideally looking for a husband or holiday bf but seems open to shorter term arrangements provided you treat her fairly. PM me if you are interested to get her contact details.
Went to Jolly Frogs and sat down for a beer and sat right at the stage to catch the talent. Not too bad. 2 younger dancers that were not there before since last year. Wanted to BF one of the gals but lucky I questioned her first and found she was already BF so didn't have to waste any LD on that one. Asked the other cute one but again she told me already BF earlier by a Korean that will pick her up after 9pm. Damn the Koreans. Sucks that this bar is in the middle of Korean town.What time was it in JF? I guess it was way too late.
Usually I go there around 2pm, barfine 2 girls for ST and after it I let them go back for the Koreans.
Hehe.
Cheers!
Had to go to Manila for several days 2 weeks ago so I made sure I had enough time for a quick diversion to AC. Lucky it is only about 90mins away.
Arrived without reservations. SNIP.
Gave her trike money tips=100p and she left with a smile.
Off for a shower, dress up and out the door for a late breakfast.
PTThat's a great FR Phantom.
Just the right amount of detail to give a good picture of what went down.
Useful reports like this make this board enjoyable (for me anyway)
WestCoast1
12-19-10, 18:45
Similarly if you approach girls in the street they will inevitably say that they are working at a bar and if you want them go and bar fine them ("sneaking out" will often result in a fine or sacking if they are caught.)
GL,"girls in the street", are you referring to the barkers outside the bars, wearing the bar uniform? Or are you referring to Street Walkers? The barkers wearing the uniforms ("Honey Pot! Come in sir!") can't leave without a barfine as they work for the bar. Regular SW will negotiate straight up (careful those ladyboys!).
Irony Monger
12-19-10, 19:06
GL,"girls in the street", are you referring to the barkers outside the bars, wearing the bar uniform? Or are you referring to Street Walkers? The barkers wearing the uniforms ("Honey Pot! Come in sir!") can't leave without a barfine as they work for the bar. Regular SW will negotiate straight up (careful those ladyboys!).I've also heard that you should be very careful of SW in Angeles, as may of them are on the street because they couldn't get bar work for some reason (i.e. failed an STD check, etc.). If in AC, just stick to the bars (when in Rome...).
Phantomtiger2
12-20-10, 00:25
What time was it in JF? I guess it was way too late.
! Yeah, from my report you can guess that after I left Pearly at 6pm and getting back to my hotel for a shower and dump (shit) and after that I went for dinner. By the time I got to JF it was about 8pm.
But I left out one detail. Found out it was the SAME korean guy that BF both the babes I had wanted at JF at the same time. Like I said,"damn Korean"-BTW, no offense to any Koreans on this board, just to that particular Korean at JF-ha ha, Cheers all and Merry Christmas.
PT
Phantomtiger2
12-20-10, 00:28
That's a great FR Phantom.
Just the right amount of detail to give a good picture of what went down.
Useful reports like this make this board enjoyable (for me anyway) Thanks for the kind words, I always try to leave out as much clutter as I can.
Always aim to please.
PT
That's a great FR Phantom.
Just the right amount of detail to give a good picture of what went down.
Useful reports like this make this board enjoyable (for me anyway) I have to agree, always a pleasure to read your reports even when they are without me as your wingman.
Wish I could have joined you but couldn't get away for the holidays.
Shark
("sneaking out" will often result in a fine or sacking if they are caught.)
Hi Greg,
This is not always true as it all depends. If you see them on the streets or at the disco and their work shift had ended then they are officially off the clock and can do and go with whoever they want. Now if you see them on the street and they are headed to work then yes, its better to BF them to avoid any hassles.
Hope this helps.
Shark
Irony Monger
12-20-10, 07:01
Ok, Phantomtiger2's report inspired me to finally write up my report. FYI, I left PI about a week ago, so this is a bit stale, but hopefully my memory is not too blurry. I'll keep this focused on my AC experience, as I have already posted elsewhere about Manila. I did not try any freelancers or DIA girls in AC...I figure you to to AC for the bars, and that's what I did.
First day: arrived in the afternoon and checked into the Savannah (see my report in the AC Hotels thread for details). Followed someone else's advice and had them clear out the mini-bar. I then got a ride to SM where I picked up some drinks and snacks of my own, supplemented with some chocolates I brought from the states (small tub of individually wrapped morsels from Costco). Great idea, as over the next few days my "minibar" was raided repeatedly by the girls; especially the chocolates. Got dinner, then headed to fields.
One of my goals of this trip was to get a decent lesbian show. After cruising the strip for a bit I ended up at Fantasy. I liked the layout of this bar and the girls looked decent, so I decided to stick around. I sat at one of the stools with the wet bar to my back and the girls in front. Spoke to the mama-san about a 2-girl show. She said they have girls that do shows, and girls that will do you, but not many that do both, but she said she would see if anyone was up for it. She eventually came back with two girls, one was a 7 the other an 8. I BF'd them and took them back to the hotel after cruising the strip for a bit. Turns out that one was up for lesbian action, but the other one became "shy" once back in the room. Oh well, they both turned out to shag well, so I ended up happy even though it was a bit of a bait and switch. Sent them home at about 3am with a slightly discounted tip due to the no-show on the girl show, but they didn't object and even asked if they could come back again in the morning, but I figured it was time to move on. Got some much needed sleep on my own as I was still a bit jet lagged.
Got up around 11 am, grabbed a quick breakfast, then headed back to fields. Not many clubs open at this time, so went to Kokomo's for a beer. Noticed that VooDoo next door was open, so popped in for a peak. Glad that I did, they had a pretty good morning line up. Ended up with a good vibe from 3 girls there, two of which did finally put on a fairly weak girl-girl show for me and another which just had an amazing body that I couldn't let go of. Ended up spending most of days 2 and 3 with these girls (yes, BF'd them two mornings in a row). I finally let them go in the early evening of my third day, then headed back to the strip for some one on one company. Checked out Atlantis (nice show, too pricey) , Club 68 (low key place, nice manager, ok girls) , and in the end headed back to VooDoo and went home with a nice looking spinner who, while bubbly in the club, turned into a starfish back at the hotel.
Next day I was scheduled to go back to Manila, but I still had a few pesos in the pocket, so decided to leave my final deposit on Blow Row. Went to Honky Tonk for a 2-girl BJ. OMG, do these girls have oral talents or what? I tried to make it last for a while, but they were just too damn good. My only regret is that I went here on my last day, otherwise this would have been my morning special every day.
And that's about it for my first AC trip. Headed back to Manila that afternoon for other adventures. Not sure if I will be going back, as there does not seem to be much about this town other than the bars (can't they at least get a decent restaurant?), and there are plenty of bars in Cebu and Manila if other opportunities fail, but I'm glad I went once just to see what it is all about, so now I have my AC merit badge :-)
WestCoast1
12-20-10, 07:40
("sneaking out" will often result in a fine or sacking if they are caught.)
Not necessarily. Depends on the bar and the situation. I've gotten a phone address book filling up with former one-time barfines who are coming over after shift-end for some food, drinks, and fun. They often can do what they want after work unless they turned down a barfine in the bar that night. I've seen girls turn down a barfine so they could be with me (or a wing) later that night. On the other end of the spectrum, from a Santos bar, two separate that I took for ST gave me their phone numbers. In txt later, they refused to come after shift end."I get in trouble"
Darth Sushi
12-20-10, 09:39
Not necessarily. Depends on the bar and the situation. I've gotten a phone address book filling up with former one-time barfines who are coming over after shift-end for some food, drinks, and fun. They often can do what they want after work unless they turned down a barfine in the bar that night. I've seen girls turn down a barfine so they could be with me (or a wing) later that night. On the other end of the spectrum, from a Santos bar, two separate that I took for ST gave me their phone numbers. In txt later, they refused to come after shift end."I get in trouble"Most of the ST places have gals who actually live there. This makes it difficult for them to sneak away. You'll have better chances with bars that closes late at night. If you see a gang of gals walking late at night, they're probably going home and most are more than willing to pocket some money without giving half to the bar.
....... She is ideally looking for a husband or holiday bf but seems open to shorter term arrangements provided you treat her fairly. PM me if you are interested to get her contact details.......
I remember some weeks ago there was a warning about members here in the board pimping their girls to newbies.
It was not me giving this warning, I just remember I read something about this.
If you see a profile in DIA or CB with detailed and long profile text in a very good English and the girl posing in bikini: This might be a sponsored girl by
I've been to AC twice and plan to return in May. I know that the ladies come and go, however I have noted in many videos that High end clubs such as Club Atlantis change ladies quite frequently. I may be wrong but it seems that once they reach around 22 years of age they are either relegated to another club or are just plain gone. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
WestCoast1
12-21-10, 02:04
I've been to AC twice and plan to return in May. I know that the ladies come and go, however I have noted in many videos that High end clubs such as Club Atlantis change ladies quite frequently. I may be wrong but it seems that once they reach around 22 years of age they are either relegated to another club or are just plain gone. Anyone have any thoughts on this?Its that way in most of the clubs. Walk into one today, then again 6 months later, and at least half the girls are gone. 6 months after that, they might all have turned over.
Looking for an Angeles City hotel that has internet connection in the rooms (not just lobby). A swimming pool would be a bonus but I can live without it.
Any suggestions guys? I suggest staying at the Medgar Executive Hotel. I stay there everytime. All the rooms come with computer and good internet connection. It's the only place I stay when I go!
Coming to AC to go scuba diving is like going to Hooters Restaurant for the food! AC is for cheap sexy women.
It amazes me everytime someone say don't stay long because you will get bored. That is crazy. I've stayed for 3 weeks MANY times and never got bored. Granted my back was hurting from all the banging, but never bored. That's insane.
Its that way in most of the clubs. Walk into one today, then again 6 months later, and at least half the girls are gone. 6 months after that, they might all have turned over.Noticed a couple recent postings about Club Atlantis. IOn the issue of turnover, I'm hoping the manager of the place has turned over.
I was there earlier this year. Valentine's Day, I remember distinctly. And got into a row with the guy over extra drinks being added to my tab. That came on top of one of the girls doing the "San Miguel Light" scam. For those unaware, San Mig Lights is considered "premium" (hard to believe with a beer brand that makes American Budweiser taste like Dom Perignon in comparison) and your ladydrink will be considerably more expensive.
I held my ground with this fellow (either British or Aussie, couldn't tell) on both points and paid what I should have. Still, he brought some muscle men around as if to threaten me, even though I was calm and measured about the bill.
On girl turnover, two of the three girls I have been in occasional email contact have left AC since then, so it's accurate to say AC isn't a desirable longtime home for the ladies. One of them mentioned that she had just gotten out of Camelot before a big raid that resulted in many of her "colleagues" being arrested. Good timing for her.
Noticed a couple recent postings about Club Atlantis. IOn the issue of turnover, I'm hoping the manager of the place has turned over.
I was there earlier this year. Valentine's Day, I remember distinctly. And got into a row with the guy over extra drinks being added to my tab. That came on top of one of the girls doing the "San Miguel Light" scam. For those unaware, San Mig Lights is considered "premium" (hard to believe with a beer brand that makes American Budweiser taste like Dom Perignon in comparison) and your ladydrink will be considerably more expensive.
I held my ground with this fellow (either British or Aussie, couldn't tell) on both points and paid what I should have. Still, he brought some muscle men around as if to threaten me, even though I was calm and measured about the bill.
On girl turnover, two of the three girls I have been in occasional email contact have left AC since then, so it's accurate to say AC isn't a desirable longtime home for the ladies. One of them mentioned that she had just gotten out of Camelot before a big raid that resulted in many of her "colleagues" being arrested. Good timing for her. It doesn't make sense to argue with these goons, remember you are there for one thing. Its not worth it. You can beat the crap out of them and you have to deal with the cops. You can get beaten up and can't do the deed.
Either way is a no win situation. What I will do is state my case and if they don't comply, just pay it and next time you go to Atlantis, pay as you get your drinks.
Coming to AC to go scuba diving is like going to Hooters Restaurant for the food!Have to disagree as the Hooters at home (where I live anyway and can't speak for other locations) actually have good food and of course not bad looking waitresses.
But have to agree with the scuba diving not being the best location for that activity unless like doing it in the swimming pool.
FZ
I've been to AC twice and plan to return in May. I know that the ladies come and go, however I have noted in many videos that High end clubs such as Club Atlantis change ladies quite frequently. I may be wrong but it seems that once they reach around 22 years of age they are either relegated to another club or are just plain gone. Anyone have any thoughts on this?Been to Atlantis and although I have never taken any out, I do remember women in the 25 and over range coming over to me, although that may not be the normal.
FZ
most of the st places have gals who actually live there. .yup, i remember doing a fs with a girl at a santos bar and in the room that we did it in, she had a small locker with several changes of clothes and alot of personal items rep001ter about.
fs
Mr Enternational
12-22-10, 04:21
I'm not a big fan of bars so I tend to stay just a few days in Ac before moving to other places in the Phils. On thing that annoys me about AC is the difficulty (at least I have) of finding freelancer options. If you go to the disco it seems that most of the good looking girls are actually bar girls that people have BFed to take bar hoping. Similarly if you approach girls in the street they will inevitably say that they are working at a bar and if you want them go and bar fine them ("sneaking out" will often result in a fine or sacking if they are caught.)In my case the girl that I met in the disco was on her day off. However she still could not be seen with me. I really wanted to get a shawarma but she was really adamant about not going near Fields (even threatening to just leave me) because that is where her bar is and if someone had seen her with me she would be in deep shit. We ended up eating at the place across from Swiss Chalet before going back to Central Park.
I've also heard that you should be very careful of SW in Angeles, as may of them are on the street because they couldn't get bar work for some reason (i.e. failed an STD check, etc.). If in AC, just stick to the bars (when in Rome...).The bar girls have high incidence of infections also. But maybe their testing is a little better? Once a week?
Still better then none. I go to 3 g clinic or my own doctor to check up any girl I get or wear a condom.
Rubberyman
12-22-10, 08:07
It doesn't make sense to argue with these goons, remember you are there for one thing. Its not worth it. You can beat the crap out of them and you have to deal with the cops. You can get beaten up and can't do the deed.
Either way is a no win situation. What I will do is state my case and if they don't comply, just pay it and next time you go to Atlantis, pay as you get your drinks. Hm, there are so many bars, I would definitely NOT go back to any bar that had bilked me. I might walk in, NOT buy a drink, have a look round, and then walk out.
Too many alternative bars to have to put up with that sort of treatment. Of course unless you are a very naughty boy and need to be punished. THEN, you should just go back, be scammed again and again, you naughty thing you!
The advice NOT to get into a confrontation is a good one too. Even if you pay the full amount extra, it is not worth getting your face rearranged over.
It amazes me everytime someone say don't stay long because you will get bored. Each of us is different. For me 3 weeks is definitely too much, one week is just perfect.
But I don't need 3 weeks, I can go AC monthly if I want to.
I have visited AC every month in the years 2005/06/07 or so, sometimes just for an extended weekend,
Till even this became too unexciting, nowadays I visit AC somewhat quarterly.
So many other good pick-up places in SEA.
Cheers!
Darth Sushi
12-22-10, 11:01
It amazes me everytime someone say don't stay long because you will get bored. I agree with Ekspat but my boredom is due to the fact that AC has nothing else to offer in terms of other entertainment. Also, the food situation is not much help.
Mr Giggity Goo
12-22-10, 15:28
I found a lot of Bars on Fields to have just a average looking girls. IMHO. I can be quite picky at times thou. Finally found some lookers at Crystal Palace. Hung out there for a few hours and this girl kept hitting me with a balloon from the stage and smiling. They call it party time and play a song and shoot balloons everywhere. Anyway, she really caught my eye and seemed like we had a bit of interest in each other. BF was 3000. We left and went across the street and played a couple games of pool. Then walked back to my hotel at Pacific Breeze. Had a nice round and was feeling hungry. So I asked her if she wanted to go get something to eat. Her eyes lite up and she said the dreaded words. (Jollie Bee!). Hahaha. Noooooo. I'll never understand how that place stays in business. Even thou mt buddy said the spicy chicken was good. I'll take his word for it. I said I knew a good 2nd choice down the street. Went to this chicken shawarma place on Fields. It was very good, went there a few times to eat during my stay. She liked it as well. Went back to Pacific and went to sleep. Woke up in the morning to a beauty beside me and had to have it again. We finished up and showered, then she left. Tipped her 500p
Phantomtiger2
12-24-10, 00:07
. So I asked her if she wanted to go get something to eat. Her eyes lite up and she said the dreaded words. (Jollie Bee!). Hahaha. Noooooo. I'll never understand how that place stays in business.I think you may already answer your own question. If you are Filipino you are almost born with the love of this place and you can go anywhere in this country and walk into any JB and you will NEVER find one that is empty.
PT
Fast Buck Artist
12-24-10, 02:11
I think you may already answer your own question. If you are Filipino you are almost born with the love of this place and you can go anywhere in this country and walk into any JB and you will NEVER find one that is empty.
PTFilipino parents take their kids to Jollibee on special occasions like birthday or some party. So they get a mental conditioning from an early age. Jollibee = Party.
Oh and they love to eat junk.
Timber Tree
12-24-10, 03:00
Filipino parents take their kids to Jollibee on special occasions like birthday or some party. So they get a mental conditioning from an early age. Jollibee = Party.
Oh and they love to eat junk. Not quite. They just love to eat. Jollibee is the Filipino version of McDonalds.
Think of it during high school or college days, that's their hang out place of well to kids. (Back then)
And it is a STEP UP from a mom and pop restaurant or street food stall.
TV Commercials and advertisement also plays a big part.
Not quite. They just love to eat. Jollibee is the Filipino version of McDonalds.
Think of it during high school or college days, that's their hang out place of well to kids. (Back then)
And it is a STEP UP from a mom and pop restaurant or street food stall.
TV Commercials and advertisement also plays a big part.
There's an income gap issue here, as well. Jollibee charges around 30% less than MacDonalds.
Where money is no object, most who can afford it, will opt for MacD's. Both places are actually very expensive for the average person. HRM grads working the front desk at hotels are often working for around 250 pesos.
Per day. That will buy 2 Big Mac meals. Would you blow a day's pay for 2 Big Macs?
The bar girls have high incidence of infections also. But maybe their testing is a little better? Once a week?
Still better then none. I go to 3 g clinic or my own doctor to check up any girl I get or wear a condom. I believe it is once a week, or after you had a date. Hopefully they are following the doctor's direction if infected with std.
GregLondon
12-24-10, 17:18
GL,"girls in the street", are you referring to the barkers outside the bars, wearing the bar uniform? Or are you referring to Street Walkers? The barkers wearing the uniforms ("Honey Pot! Come in sir!") can't leave without a barfine as they work for the bar. Regular SW will negotiate straight up (careful those ladyboys!).Yes clearly the advertising girls are working for the bars and can only be had if you pay the bar fine and I think often are not available at all for some reason.
I meant the girls in regular clothes, walking down the street in eg Fields. Whenever I have approached such girls they have always said, OK but you must come to my bar and BF me. I was told by some of the girls that the bars are very careful to avoid girls "sneaking out" ie guys avoiding bar fines by meeting girls outside the bars. This has been my experience in any case. It's a big culture shock esp if you compare with say Walking Street in Pattaya
Andrewbaez
12-24-10, 18:47
I'm used butterfly, because freelancers are everywhere in Thailand as a small island like Kho Tao has its bars and massages.
I read that in the Philippines on many forums in English, it would be appropriate if I go to places like Palawan, Legaspi, Pandan Island (Mindoro) , bring a girl as a companion or "girlfriend."
I made my reservations in Manila and Angeles at Executive Plaza and Paific Breeze!
I will visit Pandan Island to see Apo Reef (Mindoro-Sablayan) then I'll be back in Manila and the day after, I will be at Donsol (Bicol region) to see the whale sharks!
What do you advise me to do, go there alone and see what I could find locally? I might make contact with some girls in the websites type DIA Filpino Heart!
Or barfine a girl whom I'll be fine when I will be in Angeles and take her with me?
Which girl you take with you? Freelancer, waitress, dancer?
I mean a girl reliable, that you do not use drugs, with real I'd cards, not an alcoholic, she should be with me 10 days, take 4 flights with me!
Where could I find a girl like that?
Perimeter area?
Santos Street? The "Doll House", where I've read in a blog that was in order after checks by the police in recent raids of last months?
Is it safer a freelancer in Manila at item La Cafe or lady bar in Angeles for that?
GregLondon
12-24-10, 19:04
I remember some weeks ago there was a warning about members here in the board pimping their girls to newbies.
It was not me giving this warning, I just remember I read something about this.
If you see a profile in DIA or CB with detailed and long profile text in a very good English and the girl posing in bikini: This might be a sponsored girl byRampana.
You seem to be the type of guy who finds it inconceivable that anyone on this board could ever be prepared to help any girl or fellow monger for anything other than some sort of personal gain / payoff. Well this may be how your mind works and to be fair there isn't a surfeit of magnanimous behaviour by other board members either, who in general tend to keep their "finds" very much to themselves, however please don't judge everyone by your own standards.
The point you make re long well written profiles in excellent English is valid. Very few Filipinas are able to write without a large number of grammatical mistakes so you should be suspicious that she has had some help writing it if you see such a profile.
Should you regard that as a big health warning and stay well clear?. Well that's entirely up to you. For those girls whose profiles I have helped edit or rewrite, I am very careful to write what I would regard as an honest and fair assessment. I generally only agree to help girls who I have got to know reasonably well and who I think have something good to offer guys. IMHO such profiles give guys a much better and clearer understanding of what's on offer and what she is looking for than 99% of the self written profiles. Of course if you were planning to hire her to write newspaper copy, you might be disappointed, but in my experience that is seldom the task that guys have in mind for these girls. I have seen other DIA / CB profiles which are also too well written to be plausibly the girl's own work, though I haven't actually met up with such girls, my suspicion is that for the most part they had help from people with similarly altruistic motivations, but I don't know that for sure.
In general most guys pay far more attention to a girl's photo. If the photo is a sexy professional quality pic you need to be cautious that the girl isn't some sort of cam girl / scammer etc. In my experience the text associated with such pics is often what might be called "lady boy" quality text ie writen by a bright lady boy but too obviously provovative and not necessarily grammatical.
As for myself, I'm a pretty handy amateur photographer, but use a normal midrange digital cam so not professional quality. I like to take nice pics of the girls I meet in bikinis etc and they often ask for copies to upload to their profiles and Facebook. Actually such pics are really valuable for the girl as she can generally attract 5-10x as many guys as when she had a dodgy cellphone cam shot of her in a thick jumper her aunty bought her. Of course it's completely shooting myself in the foot, because once a sexy girl uploads a decent bikini shot she is likely to get much, much busier and have much less time for me. Fortunately we are in the Philippines and there is an abundance of cute girls waiting to be discovered by those with the time and patience to do it. Generally speaking the girl's have recognised the help that I have given them and though they often get much busier they tend to try and make some time for me, unless they get caught up with one of the fanatically jealous types of guys who are sadly all to plentiful in the Phils who go to great lengths to cut off the oportunities for girls to meet other guys. Of course as girls learn to market themselves more effectively they tend to raise their financial expectations for compensation: that's the way the world works and I suspect that most of us are sufficiently worldwise to recognise that. I tend to continue compensating girls on the same basis as when I originally met them and most seem happy with this as they recognise how much I have helped them. Some of my favourites have gotten married or involved in LTRs and are therefore no longer avaiolable to me, but I do believe that in life one generally reaps what one sows and I have found that girls often try and pursuade their friends or new girls to get to know me.
As for the particular girl from Angeles that I mentioned here. As I explained in the original text she was the one girl in AC from DIA who I really liked. She is cute with a great body, even though she has had one kid. She gave me an excellent time for the 6 hours I was with her. Her DIA / CB profile now has a week old photo in a bikini which allows guys to get a pretty accurate idea of what she looks like "under the covers" so they can judge for themselves whether they are interested. Does that mean she will give every guy she meets a fantastic 6 hour session? No idea. Probably it will depend partly on whether she thinks you are a nice guy who is attractive for whatever reason in her eyes. Do I get any payback? Certainly none financially. I've left AC now and no idea when I will come back. If I do, I would like to see her again, and I suspect that if she's not busy she will try and make some time for me.
Quite frankly I think the post I made offering to point guys in this girl's direction was a pretty useful and informative post at least to some of the guys reading and I strongly resent Rampana's insinuation that I am somehow "pimping girls".
I think if Rampana and others were to come up with similar tips and recommendations re girls, the forum would be even more useful tanit currently is.
I agree with Ekspat. I have made 23 trips to AC this year. Most were 2 or 3 days weekend trips and a few were 6 to 7 days, with one 9 day trip, split with three days in Subic.
Last year I booked 14 days and on my 7 day I was bored and changed up and took a girl to Cebu and Bohol for 5 days and then finished in AC.
As I work in the Philippines most of my trips were around 6000P for tickets.
Robb.
Each of us is different. For me 3 weeks is definitely too much, one week is just perfect.
But I don't need 3 weeks, I can go AC monthly if I want to.
I have visited AC every month in the years 2005/06/07 or so, sometimes just for an extended weekend,
Till even this became too unexciting, nowadays I visit AC somewhat quarterly.
So many other good pick-up places in SEA.
Cheers!
Well written post GL. WHen I first asked Jackson for this type thread, the idea was to share contact info as GL has generously done. I have to admit, I've been hesitant to give such contact info to members I have not met face to face.
I was also concerned that too many of the gals were sharing info on us men, therefore putting us at a disadvantage. That isn't exactly the way the thread turned out, but it certainly has been a popular thread.
Full disclosure: I have not met any of GL's recommendations, but I talked to one on the phone and she seemed nice enough. And now is in London.
Rampana.
You seem to be the type of guy who finds it inconceivable that anyone on this board could ever be prepared to help any girl or fellow monger for anything other than some sort of personal gain / payoff. Well this may be how your mind works and to be fair there isn't a surfeit of magnanimous behaviour by other board members either, who in general tend to keep their "finds" very much to themselves, however please don't judge everyone by your own standards.
The point you make re long well written profiles in excellent English is valid. Very few Filipinas are able to write without a large number of grammatical mistakes so you should be suspicious that she has had some help writing it if you see such a profile.
SNIP
I think if Rampana and others were to come up with similar tips and recommendations re girls, the forum would be even more useful tanit currently is.
It is usually fairly easy to sort out the girls who have had profiles written by someone else.
More annoying for me is the woman who has her own personal "english speaker" and interpreter tagging along with her.
I was chatting with a girl on DIA and then YM for a few times with a cam and decided to meet her for coffee after I found her interesting.
She arrives, looking even better than on cam, but with her "chaperone" too, a small, dumpy, uninteresting friend. The friend was her interpreter. The woman could barely speak english nor could she understand me so the whole conversation was conducted through the 3rd party. The friend had also been typing all the chat messages (out of cam range) when we had been chatting too.
The whole thing was a waste of time so I sent them off with jeepney money. She buzzed me again next night on chat and after saying Hello, I asked if she was alone. The answer. "No. My friend is typing my answers".
So just to follow on from GL and X Man's points: ask a few additional questions if you suspect that a 3rd party is involved just so that you have a better picture of who it is you are planning to meet.
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I was also concerned that too many of the gals were sharing info on us men, therefore putting us at a disadvantage. That isn't exactly the way the thread turned out, but it certainly has been a popular thread.
Re X Man's point:
I was contacted by a rather attractive woman from Cebu on DIA who wanted to know more about me and to see if I was interested in her.
Unknown to me she had been engaged by another DIA friend to check me out to see if I was a "butterfly".
Naturally enough, since I am a butterfly, the original woman was not amused when she learned that I was interested in her friend too.
It turned out well in the end, as I did not want to get involved with a jealous one, and the friend who checked me out did not have the same "jealousy problem", so it was "one lost - one gained; score neutral" LOL
This discussion about pinays getting some assistance to put up a decent profile just beggars belief.
I get pissed off with guys like Rampana, Genkisiguru, and others, who firstly castigate girls who get assistance in writing their profiles, and use the term pimp for anyone who provides this assistance.
There has been a tradition around the world since the beginning of time of people getting assistance to write important documents, letters, etc. You will find the letter writers plying their trade in the streets of the Chinese quarter in Kuala Lumpur and other cities.
This practice is particularly prevalent in western countries, where the letter writer is used commonly.
I would assume that if Rampana needs to have a legal letter written, he will employ a legal letter writer. Or if he is in business, and needs to make an ad, he will employ an advertising letter writer. Same with accounting letters to the tax office, and so on. It is common for westerners looking for a job to get CV writers to write their CV, or job application.
But we just don't think of it as anything unusual, because we have the money, and we want a quality product.
Likewise, we, or our friends, have good quality digital cameras, and / or we get a professional photographer to shoot our pictures for our own profiles on dating sites, where we are advertising our own availability, just the same as the pinays.
So, given that we ourselves use specialist writers and photographers, it is the height of hypocrisy to bleat when a pinay does the same. We should thank guys like GL, and others, for making our job of searching for the attractive pinay so much easier, not ridicule them for doing so.
They are Filipinos. Their native language is tagalog, or visayan. So if they wrote their profiles in their native language, they would do it much more fluently, but we would be stuffed. So they write in English, and we laugh at them for their terrible English expression. This is hypocritical, to say the least.
We comment on their grinding state of poverty, but when someone helps them to attract a lot more business, and hence get out of that state, we castigate the guy. This is a disgrace.
And I personally find the use of the term pimp to be most offensive. The pimp is generally regarded as a lowlife type who makes his living from selling the services of the pros that he pimps for. There is no way that GL, or others, is making money from helping these women. A couple of hundred pesos here and there? Ridiculous. The people who have used this term here should apologise unconditionally.
This discussion about pinays getting some assistance to put up a decent profile just beggars belief. SNIP.
I agree entirely with the spirit of your post Gangles. You must be an Aussie as you believe in a "fair go" for all.
But there must come a time when the "real" person must expose herself even if she used a professional service to get to "first base". She cannot hide behind her surrogate for ever. The example I gave in one of my posts (further discussed below) referred to this factor.
My post was not critical of the enlistment of assistance to write a profile. I was critical of a woman who used an interpreter during on line chat but who concealed her presence from me.
To her credit, she brought along the interpreter to our first meeting and I realized then that she would not be comfortable being with me alone without her friend. I guess there are some guys who might be comfortable with that arrangement but I wasn't.
GregLondon
12-25-10, 15:29
Well written post GL. WHen I first asked Jackson for this type thread, the idea was to share contact info as GL has generously done. I have to admit, I've been hesitant to give such contact info to members I have not met face to face.
I was also concerned that too many of the gals were sharing info on us men, therefore putting us at a disadvantage. That isn't exactly the way the thread turned out, but it certainly has been a popular thread.
Full disclosure: I have not met any of GL's recommendations, but I talked to one on the phone and she seemed nice enough. And now is in London. XM is right that over the last couple of years I have passed on contact details for quite a number of girls that I have met and liked. Initially and rather naively I posted DIA profiles etc direct to ISG which as I think XM pointed out at the time was not a good idea as this site is rather like an iceberg with a relatively few frequent contributors and maybe 10x that number of "lurkers" who contribute nothing much and just leach info. Guys who the girls would not normally have any interest in would set up dates by claiming to be great buddies of mine, leading to confusion and disappointment on all sides.
Since then I have generally insisted on PMs. I think Jackson's idea of giving significant contributors senior member status and thus complimentary PM functionality whilst infrequent contributors must pay his modest annual subscription for PM functionality is fair and reasonable and I am not interested in guys trying to circumvent his rules to save a few bucks. The general feedback from the meetings that I have helped arrange has been highly positive. Of course we are dealing with individual people and there can be no guarantee that a particular girl will get along as well with another guy as she did with me. In general I try to point out a girl's weaknesses as well as what I perceive to be her strengths and again the general feedback has been that my assessments have been pretty accurate. Most of the guys are mature enough to realise all this and take it in their stride. Sadly there are several downsides that anyone considering doing likewise need be aware of.
Firstly we all have different ideas of what it is to treat a girl fairly and with respect. Sadly my ideas on this topic are not the same as one or two of the guys I have introduced girls to.
Secondly there are a few uber cynics such as Rampana who cannot accept that anyone can possibly be as generous to their fellow mongers and girls without some sort of selfish financial motivation. It's not a nice feeling to be labeled a pimp as Rampana has done so 4 or 5 times on various sections of the forum despite (to my recollection) never having been introduced to any of the girls I have mentioned and the fact that none of the 20 or so guys that I have introduced to girls have intimated anything or the sort.
Thirdly there has been one incident of a guy, actually the person who has benefited more than any other from my generosity, having spent the majority of the last 4 months with 5 or 6 of the girls that I have introduced or helped write their profiles, using the forum for a complete character assassination of misinformation on one of the girls he had been dating for around a month but had fallen out with. To be frank I found this a breathtaking piece of hypocrisy which was clearly designed to deter any other ISG members taking an interest in her and thus putting her in a financial position where she would have to crawl back to him begging for his forgiveness and allowing him to extract further humiliation by amongst other things [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) on her face.
As a sensitive soul who actually cares quite alot about the Filipinas I get to know and like, this last incident upset me alot and I certainly want to try and avoid introducing guys who think that this is the right and honourable way to treat a young girl.
Rampana.
You seem to be the type of guy who finds it inconceivable that anyone on this board could ever be prepared to help any girl or fellow monger for anything other than some sort of personal gain / payoff. Well this may be how your mind works and to be fair there isn't a surfeit of magnanimous behaviour by other board members either, who in general tend to keep their "finds" very much to themselves, however please don't judge everyone by your own standards.
The point you make re long well written profiles in excellent English is valid. Very few Filipinas are able to write without a large number of grammatical mistakes so you should be suspicious that she has had some help writing it if you see such a profile.
Should you regard that as a big health warning and stay well clear. Well that's entirely up to you. For those girls whose profiles I have helped edit or rewrite, I am very careful to write what I would regard as an honest and fair assessment. I generally only agree to help girls who I have got to know reasonably well and who I think have something good to offer guys. IMHO such profiles give guys a much better and clearer understanding of what's on offer and what she is looking for than 99% of the self written profiles. Of course if you were planning to hire her to write newspaper copy, you might be disappointed, but in my experience that is seldom the task that guys have in mind for these girls. I have seen other DIA / CB profiles which are also too well written to be plausibly the girl's own work, though I haven't actually met up with such girls, my suspicion is that for the most part they had help from people with similarly altruistic motivations, but I don't know that for sure.
In general most guys pay far more attention to a girl's photo. If the photo is a sexy professional quality pic you need to be cautious that the girl isn't some sort of cam girl / scammer etc. In my experience the text associated with such pics is often what might be called "lady boy" quality text ie writen by a bright lady boy but too obviously provovative and not necessarily grammatical.
As for myself, I'm a pretty handy amateur photographer, but use a normal midrange digital cam so not professional quality. I like to take nice pics of the girls I meet in bikinis etc and they often ask for copies to upload to their profiles and Facebook. Actually such pics are really valuable for the girl as she can generally attract 5-10x as many guys as when she had a dodgy cellphone cam shot of her in a thick jumper her aunty bought her. Of course it's completely shooting myself in the foot, because once a sexy girl uploads a decent bikini shot she is likely to get much, much busier and have much less time for me. Fortunately we are in the Philippines and there is an abundance of cute girls waiting to be discovered by those with the time and patience to do it. Generally speaking the girl's have recognised the help that I have given them and though they often get much busier they tend to try and make some time for me, unless they get caught up with one of the fanatically jealous types of guys who are sadly all to plentiful in the Phils who go to great lengths to cut off the oportunities for girls to meet other guys. Of course as girls learn to market themselves more effectively they tend to raise their financial expectations for compensation: that's the way the world works and I suspect that most of us are sufficiently worldwise to recognise that. I tend to continue compensating girls on the same basis as when I originally met them and most seem happy with this as they recognise how much I have helped them. Some of my favourites have gotten married or involved in LTRs and are therefore no longer avaiolable to me, but I do believe that in life one generally reaps what one sows and I have found that girls often try and pursuade their friends or new girls to get to know me.
As for the particular girl from Angeles that I mentioned here. As I explained in the original text she was the one girl in AC from DIA who I really liked. She is cute with a great body, even though she has had one kid. She gave me an excellent time for the 6 hours I was with her. Her DIA / CB profile now has a week old photo in a bikini which allows guys to get a pretty accurate idea of what she looks like "under the covers" so they can judge for themselves whether they are interested. Does that mean she will give every guy she meets a fantastic 6 hour session? No idea. Probably it will depend partly on whether she thinks you are a nice guy who is attractive for whatever reason in her eyes. Do I get any payback? Certainly none financially. I've left AC now and no idea when I will come back. If I do, I would like to see her again, and I suspect that if she's not busy she will try and make some time for me.
Quite frankly I think the post I made offering to point guys in this girl's direction was a pretty useful and informative post at least to some of the guys reading and I strongly resent Rampana's insinuation that I am somehow "pimping girls".
I think if Rampana and others were to come up with similar tips and recommendations re girls, the forum would be even more useful tanit currently is. .
Nice and great post
Well done
MERRY X-MAS to you, GL
The pimp is generally regarded as a lowlife type who makes his living from selling the services of the pros that he pimps for.
Well defined
MERRY Christmas Gangles
I'm used butterfly, because freelancers are everywhere in Thailand as a small island like Kho Tao has its bars and massages.
I read that in the Philippines on many forums in English, it would be appropriate if I go to places like Palawan, Legaspi, Pandan Island (Mindoro) , bring a girl as a companion or "girlfriend."
I made my reservations in Manila and Angeles at Executive Plaza and Paific Breeze!
I will visit Pandan Island to see Apo Reef (Mindoro-Sablayan) then I'll be back in Manila and the day after, I will be at Donsol (Bicol region) to see the whale sharks!
What do you advise me to do, go there alone and see what I could find locally? I might make contact with some girls in the websites type DIA Filpino Heart!
Or barfine a girl whom I'll be fine when I will be in Angeles and take her with me?
Which girl you take with you? Freelancer, waitress, dancer?
I mean a girl reliable, that you do not use drugs, with real I'd cards, not an alcoholic, she should be with me 10 days, take 4 flights with me!
Where could I find a girl like that?
Perimeter area?
Santos Street? The "Doll House", where I've read in a blog that was in order after checks by the police in recent raids of last months?
Is it safer a freelancer in Manila at item La Cafe or lady bar in Angeles for that? If you want a girl for 10 days that is reliable, safe and honest, I wouldn't take a freelancer; definitely not at LA Cafe. The girl shouldn't rip you off badly if she has a known place of employment. But then you can score if you can get a young fresh university student at a mall. Freelancers might be the cheapest since you don't have to give the bar anything.
DIA dating thing seems OK, but it might take a long time to go thru all the misses.
For the best value with the easiest method, take a dancer from Angeles. The waitresses generally will be older, and more of them will be moms. You can examine the dancers intimately. You can try them out. You can test them for their reliability and honesty.
The girls from Santos are generally on the ugly side.
Perimeter bars are more spread out. Fields bars will be generally larger and have cuter girls.
I would get a dancer from a Fields bar, and make sure they're fairly new at the game. Ensure that they are sweet and honest; I guess this might be hard if you aren't a good judge of character. Of course all those "sweet" girls are supporting their families (this is why I like Asia; incredible that they go into this career so their families can eat better, and their siblings can go to school).
If you have money, I would get a girl at EDSA at Manila. The girls might be more mercenary over there though. It probably will be 2 or 3 times more expensive, but you can get cuter girls there.
Darth Sushi
12-26-10, 06:19
The girls from Santos are generally on the ugly side.This is true for the most part but there are exceptions. I've met quite a few stunning cherry girls who did not want to dance in a bikini. Of course, gals with stretch marks after giving birth will have the same excuse. Personally, I hate places with loud blaring music. I tend to drink and hangout at the smaller establishments including Santos street before going on the hunt.
Went to this chicken shawarma place on Fields. It was very good, went there a few times to eat during my stay. She liked it as well. For food for the girls late at night, I would recommend the chicken place across the shawarma shack. It is fresh fire roasted chicken for only 150 pesos. It is great fresh off the fire. Girls love meat; it is too expensive for the average Filipina.
Also, all the girls love the Ferrero Rocher chocolate (but those things are getting more expensive; probably should buy a big case from Costco next time I'm home).
I would recommend the chicken place across the shawarma shack. It is fresh fire roasted chicken for only 150 pesos. It is great fresh off the fire.Yup, that is always great food. Get some soysauce and chillisauce with it,
On the side some fresh Baguette or Pandesal.
Yummy. I love it!
Arrived today in AC and had a smalltalk with one of the ladies at these transportation booths in DMIA.
She said the A / C-Jeepney to Angeles is 50ps per pax.
Bus to Manila is 300ps to SM-Mall. 350ps to Pasay.
Going out of Airport and hop on Jeepney is still 10ps. (only for light luggage recommended)
Setback is, that the A / C-Jeepney only departs when it is full. Can take some time I guess.
Otherwise nothing to write home about, just barhopping and so far one handjob in a bar. .
As a sensitive soul who actually cares quite alot about the Filipinas I get to know and like, this last incident upset me alot and I certainly want to try and avoid introducing guys who think that this is the right and honourable way to treat a young girl.
As a consequence of this I would strongly advise you to stop introducing girls to others in whatever generous way there is.
Keep your hands off and let us guys make our own experiences in searching for the right girl.
Keep your nose off from girls`matters that does not belong to you otherwise you will burn your nose seriously one day.
I was NEVER accuse you in ANY way of "pimping" girls. If you take this personally then it is YOUR problem. In Germany there is a saying: "Dogs being hit are barking" Di ba?
I want to state this to you very clearly. So there is no way of asking apology as member GANGLES suggest here.
I already read and anwer your post in the "Other Areas" forum.
I personally do not like you and never will.
I want to leave this as it is here and not using the forum to proceed our war.
OK?
Tally Wacker
12-26-10, 10:48
Dr. Rampana Lasangna,
Yes it might be your English thats a problem because you accidently stumbled on a Internet Sex Site when your were searching for a recipie for Chicken Hariyali. Log off quickly because I heard there are perverts on here who like to put dog leashes on girls and fu_ck them in the ass.
Sorry, GregLondon, English is not my native language and I slowly have to grab and digest your posts sentence by sentence. This might also be a source of ME misunderstanding YOU.
I want to leave this as it is here. OK?
Rubio Tonto
12-27-10, 01:08
It's to share info on the girls we meet with other members, when it's appropriate. If the girl happens to be the beneficiary as well, all the better.
As a consequence of this I would strongly advise you to stop introducing girls to others in whatever generous way there is.
Keep your hands off and let us guys make our own experiences in searching for the right girl.
Keep your nose off from girls`matters that does not belong to you otherwise you will burn your nose seriously one day.
I was NEVER accuse you in ANY way of "pimping" girls. If you take this personally then it is YOUR problem. In Germany there is a saying: "Dogs being hit are barking" Di ba?
I want to state this to you very clearly. So there is no way of asking apology as member GANGLES suggest here.
I already read and anwer your post in the "Other Areas" forum.
I personally do not like you and never will.
I want to leave this as it is here and not using the forum to proceed our war.
OK? Rampana, build a bridge and get over it! LOL. If you don't like someone's post ignore them and move on. I have never meet Greg but he went out of his way to help my friend out few months ago from a VERY tight situation. As for passing on info or helping out, what's the big deal? I see no issue with that, especially HERE on a forum about sex. Move on seriously.
Noting terribly attractive at Thi High, but the gals are friendly. Walked down the road into another bar. Dancer had her tits out, and another gal with a customer was getting seriously fondled. Also with her tits out. Finished my second beer and walked on to another bar. Gal tells me they have a short time room. Puts her hand down my pants, then takes a whiff. Apparently nothing too rotten in there, so she pulls out Mr Johnson and soon has him standing upright. Another gal comes over for a look. She had a look of disappointment on her face.
Anyway, I keep assuring the gal that I would not visit the short time room, but she got a drink and a small tip. Finished 3rd beer, struggled to put Mr. Johnson back in his usual resting place. Then on to the next bar. One hour, three beers on Perimeter Avenue.
Postscript: At the 4th bar, I went to the restoom. Only then noticed that post hard-on leakage had created a large wet spot on the front of my plaid bell bottoms. How embarrassing!
X
GregLondon
12-27-10, 16:04
As a consequence of this I would strongly advise you to stop introducing girls to others in whatever generous way there is.
Keep your hands off and let us guys make our own experiences in searching for the right girl.
Keep your nose off from girls`matters that does not belong to you otherwise you will burn your nose seriously one day.
I was NEVER accuse you in ANY way of "pimping" girls. If you take this personally then it is YOUR problem. In Germany there is a saying: "Dogs being hit are barking" Di ba?
I want to state this to you very clearly. So there is no way of asking apology as member GANGLES suggest here.
I already read and anwer your post in the "Other Areas" forum.
I personally do not like you and never will.
I want to leave this as it is here and not using the forum to proceed our war.
OK? OK well I guess your disdain is something I'll just have to learn to live with Ram.
I have to say that the most bizarre aspect of these exchanges is that apparently Ram is a medical doc and therefore one presumes an intelligent and more of less logical guy, something which to my mind has not been greatly evident in his recent posts. The key point is that no one is forcing Ram or anyone else to take an interest in any of the girls I have mentioned or indeed advice that I have offered. I think Ram is right that those guys who have lengthy experience in the Phils such as Ram don't really need a helping hand from me or anyone else. For such guys, Ram is probably right, it's more fun to discover your own "diamonds in the rough". But not everyone is in that happy position, there are plenty of guys on the list who are on here precisely to pick up tips and maybe a helping hand from those with more experience of the area. If I think a guy has what I consider a decent attitude towards the girls here, I'm happy to help out if I can. If I conclude that the guy's attitude is essentially to fuck as much pussy as possible for as little outlay as possible and to keep the girl's in the gutter, then frankly I'm not interested in assisting. Sometimes I have made major character misjudgments, but generally the guys I have helped have proven to be pretty decent guys IMHO. I'm not at all clear why this should upset or negatively impact more experienced hands such as Ram who have neither requested not been offered my help. There are maybe 10 Million eligible girls here in the Phils so helping out a small handful is not going to make things significantly more difficult for the likes of Ram.
As we have recently learned with Werner the Weiner, there are a few guys here who are actually here on some sort of scam mission. I've been posting on this list for a couple of years now and I think most of the guys here are perfectly capable of assessing for themselves whether my tips are of use to them or not or are part of some bizarre scam to be carefully avoided without the assistance of a running commentary from a guy who has admitted on several occasions that his English is far from perfect and often leads to misunderstandings.
Monger 2007
12-28-10, 03:48
Any idea where I can find twins for bf?
Any idea where I can find twins for bf?Good luck, I am still trying to find sisters every trip when I go to AC.
Fast Eddie 48
12-29-10, 00:52
Any idea where I can find twins for bf?To Monger,
I have not see any twins at bar in PI but I have seen them a few time in China and once in Phnom Penh, I was offer a twin 20 yr old sister for 900 rmb for the night but I not into threesome much kind of a one on one kind of guy.
Fast Eddie 48
Moon Shine 44
12-29-10, 07:55
Currently in AC and notice a smaller amount of girls working in the bars. Also confirmed it with a girl that I barfined last night that said about half of the girls are on vacation.
To Monger,
I have not see any twins at bar in PI but I have seen them a few time in China and once in Phnom Penh, I was offer a twin 20 yr old sister for 900 rmb for the night but I not into threesome much kind of a one on one kind of guy.
Fast Eddie 48I'm lucky enough to have a couple of 32 year old Korean identical twins back home as fuck mates. Its pretty cool.
WestCoast1
12-29-10, 21:00
Good luck, I am still trying to find sisters every trip when I go to AC.Honky Tonk bar on Santos. The large one on as you walk with the blow-row bars on your right, near the end. They are from Butuan. One is 18 or 19, a FOX. The other one is two years older, tall / thin, but the face has acne and is at best fair. Just ask for the sisters and someone will point them out. Be careful. I took them both a while back, at the same time one afternoon. An awful experience ensued, just 5 minutes after we got to the room. Nobody did anything wrong, but something bad happened and I had to ask them to leave. I will post about it later, but it was embarassing for everyone, especially the older girl. They had been in the bar for less than a week at that time.
Postscript: At the 4th bar, I went to the restoom. Only then noticed that post hard-on leakage had created a large wet spot on the front of my plaid bell bottoms. How embarrassing!
XHa, guess you should've taken up the offer earlier for the ST room.
Anyway, which 3-4 bars did you venture into during this "embarrassing" moment?
Cheers,
Shark
Arrived today in AC and had a smalltalk with one of the ladies at these transportation booths in DMIA.
She said the A / C-Jeepney to Angeles is 50ps per pax.
Bus to Manila is 300ps to SM-Mall. 350ps to Pasay.
Going out of Airport and hop on Jeepney is still 10ps. (only for light luggage recommended)
Setback is, that the A / C-Jeepney only departs when it is full. Can take some time I guess.I have not been able to figure out how to get back to Clark airport using the Aircon jeepney shuttle service from AC / SM mall area. Last time out, I had a flight leaving Clark airport at 10am and couldn't find info as to how or when to get to this shuttle service, so ended up paying the mafia inflated taxi ride instead. Had hope to avoid taxi ride.
FZ
For food for the girls late at night, I would recommend the chicken place across the shawarma shack.).Can't remember if I ever came across this place or just didn't notice it. So where is the Shawarma Shack located?
Thanks,
FZ
If The girls from Santos are generally on the ugly side.
If you have money, I would get a girl at EDSA at Manila. The girls might be more mercenary over there though. It probably will be 2 or 3 times more expensive, but you can get cuter girls there. Agree with you here.
When I visited Santos last time, all I saw were much older ladies and not so good lookers in general (trying not to use the word "ugly") I guess there could be exceptions but that is not normal for this area.
I found Girls from Manila are more money oriented and greedy in general, so beware.
FZ
Since then I have generally insisted on PMs. I think Jackson's idea of giving significant contributors senior member status and thus complimentary PM functionality whilst infrequent contributors must pay his modest annual subscription for PM functionality is fair and reasonable and I am not interested in guys trying to circumvent his rules to save a few bucks..Lets not forget that I for one don't always agree with this whole senior member status thing. I've notice many who only reply to post with a "yeah I agree with you" or just plain answer with very few words just to up their number of post to improve their "senior status". What ever happen to good old field reports with helpful and detailed info?
Lets take my travel buddy Phantomtiger2 for instance. He have over 1000 post and still don't answer too many meaningless post to up his numbers, instead, he recently posted a very good and detail weekend trip he made to AC.---he didn't really need to do this time consuming FR as he is already a senior member, so as a good senior, every so often he will contribute as much as possible to earn his stay as a senior in good standings. Seems many newbies who seek senior status have never bother to post any detail contributions at all, just use simple answers to up their numbers. BTW, this is not intended to inflame newbies here, just trying to point out a dreadful trend.
My point is this. Regardless of how many post someone have, I for one believe it should be based on the quality of the post and then after that should the ranking for seniorship begin with the more number of quality post to gain senior status. Better than just going with trying to up the number of post with just answers of yes or no or I agree or disagree.
Strictly IMO.
Shark
Colleagues,
Being here in AC now for 5 days, and my previous trip was in late September or so. And it was reported that times were troublesome in between? I can't see a difference, no problems with EWR, can check out the boobies within the bar, even got a HJ in a bar openly until firing the load off.
My preferred range of bars is still lower Perimeter area, lets say the stretch between Honey-Ko and Pony Tails. Pony Tails is great for an afternoon pick-up IMO. Otherwise Honey-Ko, Sunshine, Emotions and oooops,
WTF did they do with Gentlemens Club?
And USD get you around 43.6ps now.
Happy New Year!
Cheers!
Took my two girls and went with a friend to the doll house. There was a very good show with hot and sexy dancers.
I bought a drink for me and my two girls.
Soon I see several girls that were looking good. Actually a lot of them and they are smilng and nice.
So I buy four lady drinks. The double drinks are 250 pesos. Of course they want the more expensive drinks.
My girls are having fun but not really thirsty. So they don't order another drink.
The waitress keeps talking to them but I have four hot young things surrounding me and I am happy so I am not paying.
Much attention to my other two girls.
So soon the show is over and I leave with my original girls. Too tired out to take any more right now.
The two girls tell me that the doll house waitress kept harrassing them and telling them they had to buy drinks to stay in the club? I did not know of this until we were outside. Not that I am a big spender but I do contribute to the girls with drinks and tips and even a nice extra tip for the waitress because its Christmas time.
So what is up with a club that they get all upset and hassle my guests when I spending a lot of money. (its maybe a little more then average but not really a big spender but still not cheap charlie.)
Is that club management fucked up or what?
They are going to chase away a guy that is buying multiple lady drinks and tipping the girls and waitress because my regular girls did not buy a cheaper drink.
To me this is total stupidity and management has a problem with their attitiude.
I think its a good thing I did not know what was being said to my steady girls as I was spending money.
On the bar girls.
I would have told the manager and also not tip the waitress.
O well not a big deal but just stupidity.
I know everyone knows that when the waitress is talking to a girl you just bought a lady drink for.
She is telling the girl to hurry up and drink and get the guy to buy another drink. Of course.
They don't talk in english.
I just think we should all insist on better service. At least I will. Or I go somewhere else.
Too many bars and too many girls for the bs. That doll house gives to the customers.
Agree with you here.
When I visited Santos last time, all I saw were much older ladies and not so good lookers in general (trying not to use the word "ugly") I guess there could be exceptions but that is not normal for this area.
I found Girls from Manila are more money oriented and greedy in general, so beware.
FZThe hot girls are there. They just get taken out quickly. So you got to keep checking it out. But I look for longer term girls.
Still I go there just to look and talk to some of the hot ones if I see them.
I walk by there almost everyday.
Hahaha. Its close to where I live
Can't remember if I ever came across this place or just didn't notice it. So where is the Shawarma Shack located?
Thanks,
FZIts almost across from Genesis and fantasy club. On fields past dirty duck and kokomos.
And maybe the chicken place is called something like
Elnida butyou see the chicken on the barbecue out in front. And next to it is a new shawarma place that I have not ate at yet.
Currently in AC and notice a smaller amount of girls working in the bars. Also confirmed it with a girl that I barfined last night that said about half of the girls are on vacation.Yes some are on vacation. But everynight I go out I find at least two or three that I like and at least ten or twenty that are available.
But now I am picky. Ahhahaha.
And what is up with the double bar fines?
I went to bar fine a girl and when they told me the cost. They doubled it because of the holidays and I said. No way. But thank you.
Nice try.
They negotiated to a 10% over the usuall bar fine. And she was hot so why not.
Still I see plenty of girls willing and available.
Colleagues,
Being here in AC now for 5 days, and my previous trip was in late September or so. And it was reported that times were troublesome in between? I can't see a difference, no problems with EWR, can check out the boobies within the bar, even got a HJ in a bar openly until firing the load off.
Happy New Year!
Cheers! Thats great. I like when the girls want to have fun in the bar.
But be careful. The police are still shaking down for money. And its holiday time. So I don't take chances. It is quieter but also you got to be careful.
I was touching a door girl at a club and the police stopped and just kept looking at me.
I started talking to them about other things. The weather and the ocean.
Not sure what they were looking at me for and I decided that after that I will keep a lower profile.
You never know when they will want some extra cash and set you up or even when they will hit a bar?
Thats great. I like when the girls want to have fun in the bar.
But be careful. No problems.
I know the game and how the girls play. And many mamasans know me.
In case a Philippino comes in, shirt over it and it's finished.
Fine with me.
Happy New Year!
Chocha Monger
12-31-10, 18:57
Thirdly there has been one incident of a guy, actually the person who has benefited more than any other from my generosity, having spent the majority of the last 4 months with 5 or 6 of the girls that I have introduced or helped write their profiles, using the forum for a complete character assassination of misinformation on one of the girls he had been dating for around a month but had fallen out with. To be frank I found this a breathtaking piece of hypocrisy which was clearly designed to deter any other ISG members taking an interest in her and thus putting her in a financial position where she would have to crawl back to him begging for his forgiveness and allowing him to extract further humiliation by amongst other things [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) on her face.
As a sensitive soul who actually cares quite alot about the Filipinas I get to know and like, this last incident upset me alot and I certainly want to try and avoid introducing guys who think that this is the right and honourable way to treat a young girl. There is nothing unusual about the behavior you described. In Angeles City no one would bat an eyelash at a monger voiding his bladder on the face of a prostitute. She is more fortunate than others who have had eccentric old mongers vacate their bowels on them. Frankly, girls are in the wrong profession if they're expecting gentlemanly treatment at the hands of the sex tourists / sexpats frequenting the flesh market.
Tally Wacker
12-31-10, 19:18
i'm pretty sure prostitutes are humans too and for someone to get their kicks out of peeing on another persons face is sick and degrading and i'm sure the girl does not feel fortunate after. yea shitting on a girls face and then having the girl fuck you in the ass with a big toy, then eating your own shit like one monger on this boad likes to do shows how twisted and insecure some guys are. there might even be some prostitues that would allow you to kick them in the face too if they are desperate enough and have lost all scense of self respect.
there is nothing unusual about the behavior you described. in angeles city no one would bat an eyelash at a monger voiding his bladder on the face of a prostitute. she is more fortunate than others who have had eccentric old mongers vacate their bowels on them. frankly, girls are in the wrong profession if they're expecting gentlemanly treatment at the hands of the sex tourists / sexpats frequenting the flesh market.
i'm pretty sure prostitutes are humans too and for someone to get their kicks out of peeing on another persons face is sick and degrading and i'm sure the girl does not feel fortunate after. yea shitting on a girls face and then having the girl fuck you in the ass with a big toy, then eating your own shit like one monger on this boad likes to do shows how twisted and insecure some guys are. there might even be some prostitues that would allow you to kick them in the face too if they are desperate enough and have lost all scense of self respect.on the other hand i know lots of guys that treat the girls as girlfriends. its the girlfriend expierence they want.
some even get married or long time steady girls. or just for one night. but still very nice and of course consenenting sexual relationship is all part of interaction with guys and girls.
many guys are very generous and very nice. especially compared to some of the local guys that are drunk and cruel?
i don't look at them as sex tourist? any more then someone in the usa that goes to a disco in a big city looking for a piece of ass. yes they want sex with girls and like sex with girls (adults only). so that is normal everywhre in the world.
just my personal feeling but the tag of sex tourist is something that the developed more affluent countries have coined a phrase to degrad and belittle these countries and people that come here and live a little differently then the more affluent. some people may just want to look down on guys having an easier time getting ass.
but if you are in a big city disco (in affluent countries) and spending lots of money on a girl its because you want to fuck her?
and you don't even know if she will?
what is the real difference?
a lot of people are here and really enjoying the life style and country and not exploiting the girls as the phrase of sex tourist suggests.
i had my sister in law mad at me for having a 28 year old girlfriend. this is so bad of me at age of 57 years to have a younger girl? wtf.
hugh hefner just married a 23 year old girl? so is he just a sex pervert / and ****?
anyway i know i need more practice to express and write my thoughts.
but for every bad guy here in philippines from a foreign country i will bet there are at least ten or one hundred good guys that do some good here, even if its just helping to feed one family by there tourist dollars spent here.
i see a lot of good guys and a lot of good girls here. and there are those that are not good but i stay away from them.
Took my two girls and went with a friend to the doll house. There was a very good show with hot and sexy dancers.
I bought a drink for me and my two girls.
Soon I see several girls that were looking good. Actually a lot of them and they are smilng and nice.
So I buy four lady drinks. The double drinks are 250 pesos. Of course they want the more expensive drinks.
My girls are having fun but not really thirsty. So they don't order another drink.
The waitress keeps talking to them but I have four hot young things surrounding me and I am happy so I am not paying.
Much attention to my other two girls.
So soon the show is over and I leave with my original girls. Too tired out to take any more right now.
The two girls tell me that the doll house waitress kept harrassing them and telling them they had to buy drinks to stay in the club? I did not know of this until we were outside. Not that I am a big spender but I do contribute to the girls with drinks and tips and even a nice extra tip for the waitress because its Christmas time.
So what is up with a club that they get all upset and hassle my guests when I spending a lot of money. (its maybe a little more then average but not really a big spender but still not cheap charlie.)
Is that club management fucked up or what?
They are going to chase away a guy that is buying multiple lady drinks and tipping the girls and waitress because my regular girls did not buy a cheaper drink.
To me this is total stupidity and management has a problem with their attitiude.
I think its a good thing I did not know what was being said to my steady girls as I was spending money.
On the bar girls.
I would have told the manager and also not tip the waitress.
O well not a big deal but just stupidity.
I know everyone knows that when the waitress is talking to a girl you just bought a lady drink for.
She is telling the girl to hurry up and drink and get the guy to buy another drink. Of course.
They don't talk in english.
I just think we should all insist on better service. At least I will. Or I go somewhere else.
Too many bars and too many girls for the bs. That doll house gives to the customers. Doll House the bar, does not really care what you think. Its one of the hottest, if not the hottest clubs right now on Fields. Most nights one can't get multiple seating. I was in there one night with a friend, almost all Asian customers, sat for 10 minutes and could not get a waitress to take my order. Finally left without buying a drink. Don't think that is their strategy, but they are so busy with high spending asians, they don't really care about "average" tourists. At one time, they use to charge lady drink prices for customer's lady guests, I don't know if they still do that. Did you check your bill on what you paid for "your girl's" drinks? They (Doll House Group) got good looking girls, Doll House, Atlantis and Pony Tails all doing well, charging higher prices. Its all about the girls, not the service or the prices. That appears to be their strategy and it seems to work.
thats great. i like when the girls want to have fun in the bar.
but be careful. the police are still shaking down for money. and its holiday time. so i don't take chances. it is quieter but also you got to be careful.
i was touching a door girl at a club and the police stopped and just kept looking at me.
i started talking to them about other things. the weather and the ocean.
not sure what they were looking at me for and i decided that after that i will keep a lower profile.
you never know when they will want some extra cash and set you up or even when they will hit a bar? in times past everyone knows the police would shake down tourists, false charges, set-ups, etc. but are you living in the past or do you have recent accounts of this happening? i don't know of any set-ups targetting legitimate tourists or locals in the last year. i know some scum bags that were eventually targetted and put away, but just guys here having fun, enjoying the bars, don't know of any.
but then you say you were touching a door girl. depends how you were touching her, the city government wants a low key on the streets, and if the door girl who may not have appreciated your advances without buying a drink gave the police an eye, then they might have been watching you. there are some guys who do nothing but harrass the door girls without ever going into the bars or buying the girl a drink. the girls don't appreciate it, they are not there to be a free squeeze doll for every passing pedestrian.
so long as the bars follow the rules, the local station 4 police are very supportive of the bars and their customers. they are not out harrassing customers or trying to set them up. we don't try to hide from them, many of us know them and talk to them all the time. if you got nothing to hide (ie. drugs, ****, scams) , then the local police are there to provide protection, not set you up. but again, they are supportive of the bars and other tourist businesses, and guys who are taking advantage of those businesses, may find the police saying something to them.
in times past everyone knows the police would shake down tourists, false charges, set-ups, etc. but are you living in the past or do you have recent accounts of this happening? i don't know of any set-ups targetting legitimate tourists or locals in the last year. i know some scum bags that were eventually targetted and put away, but just guys here having fun, enjoying the bars, don't know of any.
but then you say you were touching a door girl. depends how you were touching her, the city government wants a low key on the streets, and if the door girl who may not have appreciated your advances without buying a drink gave the police an eye, then they might have been watching you. there are some guys who do nothing but harrass the door girls without ever going into the bars or buying the girl a drink. the girls don't appreciate it, they are not there to be a free squeeze doll for every passing pedestrian.
so long as the bars follow the rules, the local station 4 police are very supportive of the bars and their customers. they are not out harrassing customers or trying to set them up. we don't try to hide from them, many of us know them and talk to them all the time. if you got nothing to hide (ie. drugs, ****, scams) , then the local police are there to provide protection, not set you up. but again, they are supportive of the bars and other tourist businesses, and guys who are taking advantage of those businesses, may find the police saying something to them. thank you for the feedback and i really do appreciate your positive outlook. i would hope you are right. the girl hid from the police after they stopped. she wants to be my girlfriend already and she texts me quite often now. so i don't think she was annoyed. but yes its much better keep a low profile on the street but even if in usa the way i was touching her would not get the police to stop or anyone to call the police.
maybe i am living somewhat in the past but the tiger and al capone does not change his stripes just because the police are keeping a lower profile.
and yes i have heard of recent corrupt police activities. but the good news is i also have heard and talked to maybe a reliable source that there is a civilian type review board that can fire the police? first i have heard of it. and this is from a friend of the mayor that is the source. and he says the problems are that the police are still very corrupt.
i also have other friends that are connected (i am not connected but do know a few people that are)
and they are still telling me stories. maybe not as many and for sure i am influenced by past perceptions and stories.
i am all for the police doing their job and catching people that cause trouble and i have many police friends in the usa and other countries. but i have been robbed in philippines and thailand by the police. they were actually very friendly when they were robbing me.
now do you believe that louie tan is being a good honest cop now?
also is harry the. a good source of information on angeles?
i do really appreciate any positive feedback even if i have a different way of looking at it. and really especially if you look at it differently so i get other perspective
in times past everyone knows the police would shake down tourists, false charges, set-ups, etc. but are you living in the past or do you have recent accounts of this happening?
so long as the bars follow the rules, the local station 4 police are very supportive of the bars and their customers. they are not out harrassing customers or trying to set them up. we don't try to hide from them, many of us know them and talk to them all the time. if you got nothing to hide (ie. drugs, ****, scams) , then the local police are there to provide protection, not set you up. but again, they are supportive of the bars and other tourist businesses, and guys who are taking advantage of those businesses, may find the police saying something to them. and i believe that maybe the setups and police harrassment has tapered off. but according to some of the bar owners i know its because the bars are paying more money and pay offs to the police and mayor?
i don't really know whats true because i have limited first hand knowledge.
Doll House the bar, does not really care what you think. Its one of the hottest, if not the hottest clubs right now on Fields. Most nights one can't get multiple seating. I was in there one night with a friend, almost all Asian customers, sat for 10 minutes and could not get a waitress to take my order. Finally left without buying a drink. Don't think that is their strategy, but they are so busy with high spending asians, they don't really care about "average" tourists. At one time, they use to charge lady drink prices for customer's lady guests, I don't know if they still do that. Did you check your bill on what you paid for "your girl's" drinks? They (Doll House Group) got good looking girls, Doll House, Atlantis and Pony Tails all doing well, charging higher prices. Its all about the girls, not the service or the prices. That appears to be their strategy and it seems to work.I think you are correct and as much as I hate to put up with the poor service I do still go back for the girls.
Hahahahah. I am weak, the girls actually rule and that is the deciding factor on success or failure of a club.
If they have lots of high rollers then why not give less service to those that spend less money.
Better I just don't tip ?
But also very lucky that there are many girls and many clubs that do have hot girls and also very good attitute.
Talking about the bars there. I was in atlantis. Hot girl I have sit on my lap. Bought her a drink and she said she never goes with a white guy and only koreans and will only stay short time. She says she never gets an orgasm and does not want one. She wants money only.
For me it was worth a ladies drink having her sitting in my lap with my hand on her ass. It was so nice.
She is a broken hearted girl and just trying to get by so I have no bad feelings towards here.
And doll house only charged regular customer prices for my girl companions. They could have been upset that the girls were taking up two extra seats?
Lets not forget that I for one don't always agree with this whole senior member status thing. I've notice many who only reply to post with a "yeah I agree with you" or just plain answer with very few words just to up their number of post to improve their "senior status". What ever happen to good old field reports with helpful and detailed info?
Lets take my travel buddy Phantomtiger2 for instance. He have over 1000 post and still don't answer too many meaningless post to up his numbers, instead, he recently posted a very good and detail weekend trip he made to AC-he didn't really need to do this time consuming FR as he is already a senior member, so as a good senior, every so often he will contribute as much as possible to earn his stay as a senior in good standings. Seems many newbies who seek senior status have never bother to post any detail contributions at all, just use simple answers to up their numbers. BTW, this is not intended to inflame newbies here, just trying to point out a dreadful trend.
My point is this. Regardless of how many post someone have, I for one believe it should be based on the quality of the post and then after that should the ranking for seniorship begin with the more number of quality post to gain senior status. Better than just going with trying to up the number of post with just answers of yes or no or I agree or disagree.
Strictly IMO.
SharkYou have articulated my thoughts on this subject succinctly. There are some forum members who have hundreds of posts, but when you look for any substance or valuable information it is sadly lacking. As you said it is easy to accumulate dozens of posts by responding to someone else's posts with pointless comments, or a couple of words. Then there are the other members who seem to be in some kind of exclusive mutual admiration society, so much so that they like to take over boards with their pointless (and to everyone else) meaningless exchanges and public back slapping (metaphorically speaking). I don't mind that too much, it is when they then set themselves on a pedestal as almost being members of distinction themselves when actually they have contributed little of value. But then it would take someone like Jackson or other moderator to assess the value of each post before allowing it to accumulate to the member's overall post count. I guess Jackson has far better things to do with his time and whilst the system is not perfect, I guess it is the best that we can realistically expect.
WTF did they do with Gentlemens Club?
I know the owner pretty well as he often comes into my bar so I asked him the same since he converted it into a sports bar. He is also in the process of converting Illusions into a sports bar as well (he recently bought it off of Wolf who is returning home for medical issues with his family). He stated that it is based on all of the recent problems with the local and national governement, corruption and just general issues dealing with dancers. He claims he is still making good money off of Gentlemens but like I said to him,"how many sports bars do we realy need in AC?"
on the other hand i know lots of guys that treat the girls as girlfriends. its the girlfriend expierence they want.
some even get married or long time steady girls. or just for one night. but still very nice and of course consenenting sexual relationship is all part of interaction with guys and girls.
many guys are very generous and very nice. especially compared to some of the local guys that are drunk and cruel?
i don't look at them as sex tourist? any more then someone in the usa that goes to a disco in a big city looking for a piece of ass. yes they want sex with girls and like sex with girls (adults only). so that is normal everywhre in the world.
just my personal feeling but the tag of sex tourist is something that the developed more affluent countries have coined a phrase to degrad and belittle these countries and people that come here and live a little differently then the more affluent. some people may just want to look down on guys having an easier time getting ass.
but if you are in a big city disco (in affluent countries) and spending lots of money on a girl its because you want to fuck her?
and you don't even know if she will?
what is the real difference?
a lot of people are here and really enjoying the life style and country and not exploiting the girls as the phrase of sex tourist suggests.
i had my sister in law mad at me for having a 28 year old girlfriend. this is so bad of me at age of 57 years to have a younger girl? wtf.
hugh hefner just married a 23 year old girl? so is he just a sex pervert / and ****?
anyway i know i need more practice to express and write my thoughts.
but for every bad guy here in philippines from a foreign country i will bet there are at least ten or one hundred good guys that do some good here, even if its just helping to feed one family by there tourist dollars spent here.
i see a lot of good guys and a lot of good girls here. and there are those that are not good but i stay away from them. m dude,
i appreciate your post, you expressed yourself fine. i am in my 50's and in good shape and i really enjoyed being in pi where all males (including older ones) are appreciated and have a shot at younger women. the women there value experience and financial security as well as the superficial stuff. as i moved around the country i saw older guys w / younger women everywhere and i thought it to be very natural. thru necessity or whatever i could see that these couples were enjoying themselves and were very much excepted by the society there.
adversely in the usa you would never see that because our society does not except it (at this time). why? i'm not sure. homosexuals are very much the norm in big cities here (strap it on) , but an older guy w / a younger woman, not allowed! to me that makes no sense but the usa is making less sense more and more of the time. the term,"sex tourist" i do not take as a put down, even tho i do not want to be called one, i probably am one. i don't use the term and i have no respect for most opinions emanating from the usa, i find them either ignorant of the true facts or brainwashed robots unaware that their living in a,"world of shit".
as i get older i am always asking why, and what if? so this question popped into my head recently. if over night all the worlds men lost their libido what would the consequences be? is our,"hard wired sex drive" natures way of sustaining and or helping each other to survive in an out of control world.
what would happen to those people who financially benefit from our tourism. the hotel / restaurant workers, car drivers, trikes, the girls and their families, the towns they live in, the impact is huge. and multiply that around the world. is sex, not just sex, is it also natures way of benefiting those in need w / this human compulsion to procreate. that's the conclusion that makes sense to me and i don't mind being a part of it. when i am in the real world, (i / e asia) i try to represent my country of origin well, i treat all the people w / respect and i try to make fair deals w / whomever i am dealing w. as long as one does this, one will always be welcome in that country. so make the world a better place and go make love to some beautiful young lady in one of the poorer countries. your dick can make a positive difference, just be nice doing it. please. happy new year!
thank you for the feedback and i really do appreciate your positive outlook. i would hope you are right. the girl hid from the police after they stopped. she wants to be my girlfriend already and she texts me quite often now. so i don't think she was annoyed. but yes its much better keep a low profile on the street but even if in usa the way i was touching her would not get the police to stop or anyone to call the police.
maybe i am living somewhat in the past but the tiger and al capone does not change his stripes just because the police are keeping a lower profile.
and yes i have heard of recent corrupt police activities. but the good news is i also have heard and talked to maybe a reliable source that there is a civilian type review board that can fire the police? first i have heard of it. and this is from a friend of the mayor that is the source. and he says the problems are that the police are still very corrupt.
i also have other friends that are connected (i am not connected but do know a few people that are)
and they are still telling me stories. maybe not as many and for sure i am influenced by past perceptions and stories.
i am all for the police doing their job and catching people that cause trouble and i have many police friends in the usa and other countries. but i have been robbed in philippines and thailand by the police. they were actually very friendly when they were robbing me.
now do you believe that louie tan is being a good honest cop now?
also is harry the. a good source of information on angeles?
i do really appreciate any positive feedback even if i have a different way of looking at it. and really especially if you look at it differently so i get other perspectivei may be misunderstood, i was saying that i have not heard of any "police set-ups" of tourists in the last year. meaning for example in the past, tourists getting drugs or **** girls planted on them for the sole purpose of extortion. crime remains a problem here, but not heard of the police participating with criminals to set up robberies, as was alleged in the past.
i am by no means implying that corruption, and extortion of businesses has disappeared. it remains in full living color for those foreigners in business. i am not implying that the traffic police will not stop a foreigner on motorcycle to get a few hundred peso "tip". or a bribe to the gate keepers at the beginning of fields will allow you pass the baracade with your car or motorbike. if one gets himself in a position that criminal charges can be levied on him, then yes extortion will be used to get out of trouble. that has not disappeared. yes, you may have to give the police a financial incentive to investigate a crime against you or your property.
the average and overwhelming majority of tourists would have nothing to fear from the police here, that is my point. but, as an example, if you are coming here to do drugs, run scams, or chase **** girls, then if you are noticed the police system here can be described as corrupt.
major tan. i don't think he is involved in any attempts to set up tourists, quite the opposite, he does try to support the businesses on fields and perimeter. what he may have done in the past, is probably in the past. again, unless you get into trouble doing something you shouldn't.
harry the horse. the man is a lightning rod for every thing that happens here. he gets calls and emails daily from people with some sort of complaint they want published. i would qualify it to say he is a source of information, not the only source. if set-ups were rampant in angeles, the forum boards would be burning up with the incidents. one just does not see that, rather more conversations on poor service or bad girls seem to be the majority of complaints.
Better I just don't tip?
They could have been upset that the girls were taking up two extra seats? The bars don't care that you tip large or small, they make no money from that. Its how you spend in a bar that attracts the attention of the management and gets the bar to revolve around you. Not for everyone, I know. But if you want the world to stop in the bar, get the management up on their tip toes, start ringing bells, throwing balls and buying huge quantities of ladies drinks. Want everyone to cheer when you walk in the bar, do these things on your previous visit. Just how it works.
Yes, I suspected the same when no one would wait on me at Dollhouse. They would rather I freed up the seat than bought my couple of local customer drinks. You are 100% right in saying, there are plenty of other bars who would appreciate your patronage, and if you come to their attention would welcome you warmly on each visit. And no ill will to Dollhouse, they are doing great, and they don't need my business.
The bars don't care that you tip large or small, they make no money from that. Its how you spend in a bar that attracts the attention of the management and gets the bar to revolve around you. Not for everyone, I know. But if you want the world to stop in the bar, get the management up on their tip toes, start ringing bells, throwing balls and buying huge quantities of ladies drinks. Want everyone to cheer when you walk in the bar, do these things on your previous visit. Just how it works.
Yes, I suspected the same when no one would wait on me at Dollhouse. They would rather I freed up the seat than bought my couple of local customer drinks. You are 100% right in saying, there are plenty of other bars who would appreciate your patronage, and if you come to their attention would welcome you warmly on each visit. And no ill will to Dollhouse, they are doing great, and they don't need my business. Yes I have seen exactly what you are saying with people I know. They get treated as royalty because they are spending the money. Ringing the bell and attracting a lot of attention. So can I blame the business? Not really but it is interesting. And I will not do that just to get better service.
Actually giving the waitress a tip or a drink right away will ease a lot of pressure. At least with her.
Now I have been some places where I don't spend a lot of money but I take the mamason and buy her a drink and start talking to her.
Even one I got a rapport with that was finding the type of girls that I wanted exactly. And offered to bring them over after work.
I think sometimes its more my attitude and the way I respond also. As any negative situation can be dealt with in different ways. I just was expressing an observation about one of the clubs here in Angeles.
Thanks for the feedback. I will be out hunting for the perfect place once again, and the perfect girls, still looking after four years of being in Philippines.
harry the horse. the man is a lightning rod for every thing that happens here. he gets calls and emails daily from people with some sort of complaint they want published. i would qualify it to say he is a source of information, not the only source. if set-ups were rampant in angeles, the forum boards would be burning up with the incidents. one just does not see that, rather more conversations on poor service or bad girls seem to be the majority of complaints.could be that there is less police extortion. i don't really know as i have many sources of information and still not sure what to believe.
but i heard this.
in san francisco if you are getting robbed and you call the police they will be there in less then ten minutes to help you out.
in sydney, australia if you are getting robbed and you call the police they will be there in less then eight minutes to help you out.
in philippines if you are getting robbed the police are there. they are the ones robbing you.
and most of my information about this place is rumor hearsay newspapers, discovery channel (some good specails lately on the philippines) and a variety of reliable and unreliable sources.
i guess the only thing i can say is yes be very careful. and really you can not trust the police but if you have to deal with them then treat them with respect and be cool.
be very careful about the extortion and other things that have happened here as you can protect yourself from being a victim by having the knowledge about them and avoid the situations.
yes if you are messing with ****d girls, drugs, politics or business then you are in the danger zone.
probably most of this is fairly common knowledge but for a guy that has not been here and has not heard these things then i try to pass on the information.
met a guy that really fell into a trap and he was a good guy. he just trusted a girl too much before knowing her. and he was taken. not put in jail luckily but bad expierence. lukcy it was only a loss of money.
who knows maybe if the police become involved they are mislead by an alledged victim? and they think they are doing the right thing?
He is also in the process of converting Illusions into a sports bar as wellDone already. It's open now.
Not bad!
Cheers!
I am planning my first trip to AC next month. I am thinking about taking the bus from the airport to AC. From my research it seems that you need to take a taxi from the airport to a bus terminal. Is that true or is there some way to get a bus at the airport? Any pitfalls or recommendations for this type of travel?
Darth Sushi
01-02-11, 22:30
I am planning my first trip to AC next month. I am thinking about taking the bus from the airport to AC. From my research it seems that you need to take a taxi from the airport to a bus terminal. Is that true or is there some way to get a bus at the airport? Any pitfalls or recommendations for this type of travel?Take a taxi from the airport to the "5-Star bus terminal," but make sure the taxi is metered. This should cost about 100-150 pesos depending on traffic. Then, take any bus with "DAU" listed on the front windshield. Dau (or Mabalacat bus terminal) is the first major stop, which is about an hour ride, which should cost under 150 pesos for an air-conditioned bus. From here, take a trike to Fields Ave in Balibago (your hotel, about 10 min) but negotiate the price before riding. Don't pay more than 100 pesos. If you take a taxi, it's 300 minimum because taxis in Angeles don't have meters so you'll have to negotiate.
BTW, if you are going back to Manila also via bus, take the "Victory Liner" bus to the "Pasay" terminal and take a metered taxi to the airport.
The only, pitfall is negotiating with taxis and trikes. You can take a taxi directly to Angeles but expect to pay around 2500-3000 pesos.
Good-luck.
Adversely in the USA you would never see that because our society does not except it (at this time). Why? I'm not sure. Homosexuals are very much the norm in big cities here (strap it on) , but an older guy w / a younger woman, NOT ALLOWED! Yes it is if you are famous / rich. You command much higher purchasing power and that draws young women. Your average wage in the real world may not be much, but in the PI, its mega bucks, and your status is elevated accordingly and that draws the chicks!
That's the conclusion that makes sense to me and I don't mind being a part of it. When I am in the real world, (I / e Asia) I try to represent my country of origin well, I treat all the people w / respect and I try to make fair deals w / whomever I am dealing w. As long as one does this, one will always be welcome in that country. So make the world a better place and go make love to some beautiful young lady in one of the poorer countries. Your dick can make a positive difference, just be nice doing it. Please. Happy New Year!Same here. Good call.
Rubberyman
01-02-11, 23:20
Doll House the bar, does not really care what you think. Its one of the hottest, if not the hottest clubs right now on Fields. Most nights one can't get multiple seating. I was in there one night with a friend, almost all Asian customers, sat for 10 minutes and could not get a waitress to take my order. Finally left without buying a drink. Don't think that is their strategy, but they are so busy with high spending asians, they don't really care about "average" tourists.(snip)That is actually good news.
When in Angeles (a couple of times per year) , I normally stop in at DH or Atlantis once or twice a week just to look at the 'shows'. An hour is enough, and then I move on somewhere else. I have never yet found a girl there who is a definite 'must have'. Sure, pretty ones, but 'must haves'? No. Not for me. (One of the best ladies I ever had was from Rhapsody just down the road for example, a real 'spanner').
I do not barfine from DH or Atlantis / Furbidden City, but I do figure that I should buy a drink or two at the slightly higher prices there to pay for my 'admission'.
However, since I normally have plans to barhop seriously elsewhere, it actually is not a bad thing if I am ignored by the waitresses for a time. Whereas in other bars I might have three drinks in an hour, at DH, I have noticed that I might only get served one in that same time. If it turns out that I do not have to pay at all. That is more to spend in other bars. (Note, for me it is not the money so much as that there is only so much I can drink in a night, otherwise I am likely to go to sleep on my barfine). LOL.
Streetlooker
01-02-11, 23:25
OF course the customers that are spending the money get the attention. MONEY rules everything no matter where in the world you go
Take a taxi from the airport to the "5-Star bus terminal," but make sure the taxi is metered. This should cost about 100-150 pesos depending on traffic. Then, take any bus with "DAU" listed on the front windshield. Dau (or Mabalacat bus terminal) is the first major stop, which is about an hour ride, which should cost under 150 pesos for an air-conditioned bus. From here, take a trike to Fields Ave in Balibago (your hotel, about 10 min) but negotiate the price before riding. Don't pay more than 100 pesos. If you take a taxi, it's 300 minimum because taxis in Angeles don't have meters so you'll have to negotiate.
BTW, if you are going back to Manila also via bus, take the "Victory Liner" bus to the "Pasay" terminal and take a metered taxi to the airport.
Why not just use Victory Liner from Pasay for the roundtrip or 5 Star RT. Is there a reason why you prefer going one way only with either bus companies?
But I have been robbed in Philippines and Thailand by the police. They were actually very friendly when they were robbing me.I'm sorry you were robbed by anyone at all but this had me LOL.
Can you tell us just how they robbed you (set you up?) and what they took?
FZ
The hot girls are there. They just get taken out quickly. So you got to keep checking it out. But I look for longer term girls.
Still I go there just to look and talk to some of the hot ones if I see them.
I walk by there almost everyday.
Hahaha. Its close to where I liveGuess I have to pay more attention the next time I'm in AC.
You live and walk by there everyday, Man do I envy you and hope to do the same someday and hope AC don't change by then when it's time for me to retire.
FZ
Darth Sushi
01-03-11, 08:10
Why not just use Victory Liner from Pasay for the roundtrip or 5 Star RT. Is there a reason why you prefer going one way only with either bus companies?5-Star is northbound on EDSA highway while Victory Liner is southbound. The taxi must travel several miles just to do a Uturn and that can easily add 15-30 minutes on the taxi and another 15-30 minutes on the bus. My way you'll save time and money and just trust me when I say traffic on EDSA is murder during rush-hour. BTW, both terminals are located in Pasay so make sure you tell the taxi driver or he'll might try to take you a terminal in a different city.
Good Luck
I've never gotten good vibes from this place, but was never quite sure why.
So, this afternoon, I pop in figuring it can't be as bad as I remember.
It seems that I'm the only customer except for two foreign guys sitting at the regulars table near the door. My guess is that one is the mgr and the other a regular. There are about 15 dancers, six or seven waitresses.
I get my beer. Certainly cold enough. I take one swig and then find that one of the foreign guys has decided to rearrange or take down Christmas decorations almost directly over my head. This strikes me as supremely odd. Stonefaced, I simply get up and move to another table.
I see one gal that looks nice, try to get eye contact so I can invite her over. We make eye contact and she immediately hides behind another dancer. I was not staring at her nether regions, but I understand that these things happen. I wait a while and later the same thing happens. For fks sake, if you get a job dancing in a bikini, is it really so friggin hard to let someone take a look at you?
I pay my bill before finishing my beer. Plenty of other bars that have cold beer and better atmospheres. X
Jack James
01-03-11, 14:24
Hi fellow members,
I am heading back to Angeles in Feburary will be there for my 21 day visa visit just wondering if the bars are still getting raided? Looking forward to seeing how much things have changed since April. Can any members give any advice if pricing has changed? Also wondering if paul be will be there in feb as iam looking for a good wingman! Cheers.
Members if anyone is lookiing for a good wingman not a cock blocker send me a message.
Guess I have to pay more attention the next time I'm in AC.
You live and walk by there everyday, Man do I envy you and hope to do the same someday and hope AC don't change by then when it's time for me to retire.
FZI have met some of the hottest girls at the BJ bars. And they end up married.
But yes lot of dogs.
I doubt that things will change a lot here.
The men in power want to be in power and have it be a mans country.
Men are men and women are women. And it is very acceptable that men are not monogamus and play.
The only question is the style in which you do it ?
The clubs support the politicians, the police. The girls and their families. But take that away and the girls will still be here with a lot of motivation to be with the foreigners.
They are in the malls, walking the streets and at the schools. So they are here and everywhere.
Mostly the girls rotate come and go a lot. So all the clubs may be hot one week or one night. And then for another month or two poor results. Some days I go out and meet ten girls that are nice and naughty and I am attracted to.
Other times I go out and just don't find one with mutual interest.
I'm sorry you were robbed by anyone at all but this had me LOL.
Can you tell us just how they robbed you (set you up?) and what they took?
FZBasically robbery is taking of property or money through force or fear.
So I think when you deal with police that have authority and they use that authority to take money or property that is robbery.
So no I did have not have gun or knife pulled on me but the intimidation of their uniform and authority.
Which for me causes fear to deal with them and maybe I am paranoid but I know the power of the police from both sides.
Once was stop by traffic police in makati that threaten arrest under bogus charges. Fortunately I had a filipina.
Woman that was very head strong and smart that helped me out of the situation and only had to pay.
500 pesos.
At the airport twice the security police took money out of my pocket and said they would keep it as a gift.
With some talking I was able to keep the money by subtle talk of going to the us embassy and other higher authorities. But all these guys had guns and yes I do feel the fear dealing with these guys.
Because of the power of arrest and force that they have. And also I know if get mad then it will be a real problem and its hard to control my anger when they are shaking me down.
There have been other attempted things but fortunately I was paying attention and able to avoid the situation from getting worse.
Okay so much negative. I got to also say that I have met some extremely honest and nice people both in and out of the government. So I do have to stay honest and say there are a lot of nice and honest people here.
But I believe you still need to be aware and conscious of the bad so you will not be caught off guard.
Basically robbery is taking of property or money through force or fear.
So I think when you deal with police that have authority and they use that authority to take money or property that is robbery.
So no I did have not have gun or knife pulled on me but the intimidation of their uniform and authority.
Which for me causes fear to deal with them and maybe I am paranoid but I know the power of the police from both sides.
Once was stop by traffic police in makati that threaten arrest under bogus charges. Fortunately I had a filipina.
Woman that was very head strong and smart that helped me out of the situation and only had to pay.
500 pesos.
At the airport twice the security police took money out of my pocket and said they would keep it as a gift.
With some talking I was able to keep the money by subtle talk of going to the us embassy and other higher authorities. But all these guys had guns and yes I do feel the fear dealing with these guys.
Because of the power of arrest and force that they have. And also I know if get mad then it will be a real problem and its hard to control my anger when they are shaking me down. I guess I must be completely naive. I know that corruption is a pervasive and permanent feature of the Philippine police and other government agencies, but I am completely gobsmacked that customs officials or whoever they were, tried to take money off you without a least some transgression on your part, in such an overt and public way. Your post is definitely food for thought!
Fast Eddie 48
01-04-11, 01:00
Basically robbery is taking of property or money through force or fear.
So I think when you deal with police that have authority and they use that authority to take money or property that is robbery.
So no I did have not have gun or knife pulled on me but the intimidation of their uniform and authority.
Which for me causes fear to deal with them and maybe I am paranoid but I know the power of the police from both sides.
Once was stop by traffic police in makati that threaten arrest under bogus charges. Fortunately I had a filipina.
Woman that was very head strong and smart that helped me out of the situation and only had to pay.
500 pesos.
At the airport twice the security police took money out of my pocket and said they would keep it as a gift.
With some talking I was able to keep the money by subtle talk of going to the us embassy and other higher authorities. But all these guys had guns and yes I do feel the fear dealing with these guys.
Because of the power of arrest and force that they have. And also I know if get mad then it will be a real problem and its hard to control my anger when they are shaking me down.
There have been other attempted things but fortunately I was paying attention and able to avoid the situation from getting worse.
Okay so much negative. I got to also say that I have met some extremely honest and nice people both in and out of the government. So I do have to stay honest and say there are a lot of nice and honest people here.
But I believe you still need to be aware and conscious of the bad so you will not be caught off guard. Mauidude,
There are many post here that tell you Manila police are the biggest thief in the world, they will shake you down every chance they have and that how they made a living not the little salary that the goverment give them this is from the top down, they need to clean up the polce force or lose all the tourist business and the poor people in this country will suffer.
Fast Eddie 48
In any place where girls are cheap, government / police corruption exist.
Philippines.
Indonesia.
Thailand.
Etc.
in any place where girls are cheap, government / police corruption exist.
philippines
indonesia
thailand
etc.the girls aren't cheap in california and the police here can retire at 53 w / full benes and 90% of their salary for life. and to top that, just before they retire they are promoted specifically to increase their salary for the purpose of increasing their benes for life. with cost of living adjustments evry year. who's more crooked?
Mauidude,
There are many post here that tell you Manila police are the biggest thief in the world, they will shake you down every chance they have and that how they made a living not the little salary that the goverment give them this is from the top down, they need to clean up the polce force or lose all the tourist business and the poor people in this country will suffer.
Fast Eddie 48To me that is a big negative with the corruption.
But the girls make up for it and also the real nice people and the weather and the ocean and all the good things.
I just try to avoid situations that will lead to trouble.
I really don't expect any change but I do hope I can live in peaceful harmony.
Yes the poor people in the country suffer more and maybe that is why there is npa and other groups like that.
The politicians and government steal the money and don't make improvements that will benefit the populace.
Somehow people keep coming because its still probably relatively rare that a tourist gets taken by the police and people like me just accept it as the way it is and I am not going to fight it but just avoid it.
Still I can walk away and leave the country if it gets really bad for me.
But I do have some really good things going for me here.
I guess I must be completely naive. I know that corruption is a pervasive and permanent feature of the Philippine police and other government agencies, but I am completely gobsmacked that customs officials or whoever they were, tried to take money off you without a least some transgression on your part, in such an overt and public way. Your post is definitely food for thought!Yes and I am ex police and have been very supportive of police and government.
And totally I know when I am in foreign country it is yes sir and no sir. And never attract attention to myself.
And always very careful. (I do flirt with girls in public places a little but only when the surroundings are compatable)
So I know police procedure and government protocal.
I even dress very conservatively usually long pants and nice shirt when travelling and going around government areas,
It amazed me that the armed security would take money out of my pocket. And in front of other police and security before and after the metal detector as they pat you down. And I am totally 100 plus.
I also felt I could have cultivated the police there to smuggle anything I wanted if I was so inclined to be involved.
Which I am not involved in anything illegal.
Its a mistake to think that the police here only bother you when you are doing something. I travel light and make sure I am totally compliant with all regulations.
You know the police here can shoot you easily and get away with it. Okay that is my paranoia but it is true to a point.
Anyway I have also had met some really nice government employees and officials here and in other poor countries.
So its not everyone and it probably does not even really happen a lot?
But just be aware that the bad ones are actively looking for someone to rob and steal from.
I told the police that when I came to do some work for the embassy they told me not to give any gifts without clearance from them. I bluffed but was very nice and the security police gave me back my money.
I met a philippine doctor in USA and she was military. She said she had to leave the Philippines because the rebel groups were following her.
Basically people are watching. The police. Government and the crooks (they are all crooks in this behavior)
They are looking for any weakness and any thing they can take.
Several times there have been street hoods that have tried to rob me but usually that is when my guard is down and I am too friendly and talking to guys that come up and start a coversation (local guys)
Now there are even foreigners in angeles begging for money. One person told me that one of the foreign beggers was getting very aggressive.
Anyway for me a little paranoia might be good to keep me alert and always looking at my environment and the people around me. But still be nice and courteous and enjoy the life here.
And not to beat a dead horse. But a friend of mine was asked for money from custom officials and police to let him take his girl on trip to Singapore. They would not let her clear customs without a pay off. (I think it was 10000 Pesos).
They have been together for a long time maybe one or two years and she had passport going and return ticket and they would not let her out. He refused to pay the bribe and she had to go home.
I have seen more and heard more but I think you get the idea.
Don't worry too much as there are also ten good things for every bad thing here. At least for me.
You just can not take anything for granted here and can not get complacent
Streetlooker
01-04-11, 09:00
Once again is it a mystery that corruption exists when money is involved? The world is one big money hungry corrupt place, Those with money get everything those who don't get nothing
Yes and I am ex police and have been very supportive of police and government.
And totally I know when I am in foreign country it is yes sir and no sir. And never attract attention to myself.
And always very careful. (I do flirt with girls in public places a little but only when the surroundings are compatable)
So I know police procedure and government protocal.
I even dress very conservatively usually long pants and nice shirt when travelling and going around government areas,
It amazed me that the armed security would take money out of my pocket. And in front of other police and security before and after the metal detector as they pat you down. And I am totally 100 plus.
I also felt I could have cultivated the police there to smuggle anything I wanted if I was so inclined to be involved.
Which I am not involved in anything illegal.
Its a mistake to think that the police here only bother you when you are doing something. I travel light and make sure I am totally compliant with all regulations.
You know the police here can shoot you easily and get away with it. Okay that is my paranoia but it is true to a point.
Anyway I have also had met some really nice government employees and officials here and in other poor countries.
So its not everyone and it probably does not even really happen a lot?
But just be aware that the bad ones are actively looking for someone to rob and steal from.
I told the police that when I came to do some work for the embassy they told me not to give any gifts without clearance from them. I bluffed but was very nice and the security police gave me back my money.
I met a philippine doctor in USA and she was military. She said she had to leave the Philippines because the rebel groups were following her.
Basically people are watching. The police. Government and the crooks (they are all crooks in this behavior)
They are looking for any weakness and any thing they can take.
Several times there have been street hoods that have tried to rob me but usually that is when my guard is down and I am too friendly and talking to guys that come up and start a coversation (local guys)
Now there are even foreigners in angeles begging for money. One person told me that one of the foreign beggers was getting very aggressive.
Anyway for me a little paranoia might be good to keep me alert and always looking at my environment and the people around me. But still be nice and courteous and enjoy the life here.
And not to beat a dead horse. But a friend of mine was asked for money from custom officials and police to let him take his girl on trip to Singapore. They would not let her clear customs without a pay off. (I think it was 10000 Pesos).
They have been together for a long time maybe one or two years and she had passport going and return ticket and they would not let her out. He refused to pay the bribe and she had to go home.
I have seen more and heard more but I think you get the idea.
Don't worry too much as there are also ten good things for every bad thing here. At least for me.
You just can not take anything for granted here and can not get complacentMate, I know you are trying to urge people to use common sense when travelling, and be aware of safety particularly in "red light" districts. But I live here, and prior to that travelled through Manila and Clark airports more times than I can possibly count.
I was never stopped by customs / passport officials for anything. I never had to take any money out of my pocket, much less the suggestion I give it to them. If it had happened I would have made such noise that any thoughts of extortion would have quickly disappeared. Both airports, by way of example, are hubs for tourists to Boracay and Bohol, the government would never allow massive extortion of tourists to these regions, these are major cash cows.
There are rebel groups but safety concerns outside of Mindinao are not relevant. More likely to get hit by a trike driver than attacked by rebels. Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Boracay, Subic are not anywhere close to the rebel areas in the South. Even in Mindinao, people will tell you Davao is very safe. Ok, if you plan on vacationing in Muslim Rebel areas, yea safety may be a concern.
It is not accruate that the police can just walk up and shoot you. And get away with it. Don't you think there would be immense international press if the Western citizens were being gunned down in the streets by the police.
You say several times street hoods have tried to rob you. I might agree if you define rob as attempts to pickpocket, that is why I never let anyone touch me (including the street kids and vendors). But if you are suggesting armed robbery. It happens. But in relation to most USA cities its hardly significant. UNLESS you are not where you are suppose to be. That being outside the tourist areas hanging with shady Filipino's.
Yes, there are beggars here, they exist because kind hearted visitors keep giving them money. Why don't we stop doing that, the beggars are all organized gangs anyway, the money you give is not going to the poor mother and baby strapped to her shoulder. In regards to the ONE "American" that was begging, he is no longer around. He was crazy and the police finally got him off the streets. That was due to people complaining and the police taking action.
I've also had occasion to travel with a Filipina outside of the country, and many of my friends travel with their wife or girlfriend. IF all the paperwork is complete and matches, they have had no problem what so ever. But it is true if there is some error, in a corrupt country, some peso can make the problem go away. In the USA or Australia, under no situation would the problem go away. The only problem I heard of was one friend who's girl had a different name on her passport versus her ticket. Frankly I had the same problem myself in China, where my first and last name was reversed on the ticket. That required an hour to sort out.
A frequent visitor knows better, but for a first time visitor, its just not dangerous. Stick to the main strip, SM Mall, MacArthur highway shops and restaurants, there is no problem. I am on the streets every single day and night, I have never been robbed (knock on wood) , the police have always been courteous and helpful, I travel through the airports without a problem, and I've never met a rebel, seen one or heard of one operating in the tourist district. At most a tourist may run up against corruption for driving a motor scooter without a helmet (few hundred peso) or trying to expedite a visa extension (maybe a couple of thousand peso at worst). There are people who get into bad things and bad things happen to them. But the average tourist, attending the bars, staying at a hotel, avoiding street people and freelancers, just don't see your alarm bells.
Philosophery
01-04-11, 13:28
Took the shuttle leaving Angeles on Friday@1pm. Very comfortable bus at P600. It took 2 hours and we arrived in Malate by 3pm. It was a short taxi ride (P40) to Executive Plaza. Total cost P640 but much cheaper than the car service (P2600).
This alternative is more expensive than the bus from Dau terminal (about P350) but I felt much safer, it was much more comfortable and it took less time. I recommend it highly if you intend on staying in Malate.
Took the shuttle leaving Angeles on Friday@1pm. Very comfortable bus at P600. It took 2 hours and we arrived in Malate by 3pm. It was a short taxi ride (P40) to Executive Plaza. Total cost P640 but much cheaper than the car service (P2600).
This alternative is more expensive than the bus from Dau terminal (about P350) but I felt much safer, it was much more comfortable and it took less time. I recommend it highly if you intend on staying in Malate.Yes I agree they have the best service. Great new bus. Safer and reasonable.
Goes to ermita by the us embassy. So good for anywhere in that area.
Can take a taxi to Makati also. The traffic after arriving at ermita to go anywhere else at 3 30 pm can be really bad.
A frequent visitor knows better, but for a first time visitor, its just not dangerous. Stick to the main strip, SM Mall, MacArthur highway shops and restaurants, there is no problem. I am on the streets every single day and night, I have never been robbed (knock on wood) , the police have always been courteous and helpful, I travel through the airports without a problem, and I've never met a rebel, seen one or heard of one operating in the tourist district. At most a tourist may run up against corruption for driving a motor scooter without a helmet (few hundred peso) or trying to expedite a visa extension (maybe a couple of thousand peso at worst). There are people who get into bad things and bad things happen to them. But the average tourist, attending the bars, staying at a hotel, avoiding street people and freelancers, just don't see your alarm bells.I agree with you but I have seen some of the dark side. And for sure its dangerous in USA and any other country. And probably not any more dangerous here unless you don't pay atttention.
I Have been to rebel areas and places where you need armed protection. A lot depends maybe on reactions to the situations and luck and frequency etc. Also I like to live dangerously. I am extra paranoid from many years of seeing bad stuff. And I am bothered by corruption more then is normal. But also I know I am a visitor here and just say forget about it. Be careful and forget about it. I am only a visitor.
So the other night I went out and had great bar hopping.
Went into the one year celebration at one eyed wench. I had four girls I thought were really hot sitting with me.
And there were more on stage. Wow.
I had brought my regular girl and one of the girls was trying to go with her. That is when things are really good.
Went to owls nest and found a few stunners.
The one I liked was too shy to go with me because I had other girls. What a bummer.
The pool table in there seemed pretty good and they did not hassle me for buying drinks. Still I bought two girls drinks.
Then genesis. And I think the girls there were looking good.
Mamasan came over when I bought one her girls a drink.
Mamasan gave me a free drink. And ate some of my peanuts. Soon she made the behaviour (subtle hints) that she
Wants a drink.
I figured why not. She did use tack and her style was smart?
My regular girl with me told mamasan to find me a younger 19 year old skinny girl. Within a minute mamasan brought
Me a hot one. Wow. And she was even friendly to my regular girl.
Wow now I have my regular girl. And two bar girls sitting on my lap. And touching them quite a bit.
And I am an old guy and they are having fun, all for a couple of lady drinks.
What a life.
This is why most of us are here.
So yes there are things to be careful of and I could tell more stories of things that have happened and things that are happening and I am sure many other guys have heard and seen their fair share. But yes it is very safe in relative terms and I am going to spend more energy looking for some additions to my home stable.
I am looking for some hot looking almost anorexic young girls (over 18 of course legal) with no baby. Hahaha.
I am so picky now after being here for a few years.
So happy hunting. I even tell other girls that I give reward for finding me the right girl. Hahahah. If she stays long time with me.
The girls that get me excited are a smaller portion of the population after being here just a few years.
Will I become more difficult as I spend more time here. Or is it just be more selective and picky because I can.
And I have so many choices
Thank you for your reply to my concerns but you still did not really explain what happened. I have travelled in the Philippines frequently in the last 5 years and all over the rest of South East Asia regularly over the last ten years. I am still completely stunned to hear that you were shaken down in full view of everyone and basically extorted by public officials. I am very familiar with the way corruption works in the Philippines and nothing should really surprise me anymore, but your story did. Can you share any specifics with me and the other members here how it actually took place, why you were selected as a target in the first place and what led up to the demands for you to pay money?
I agree with Matius and his assessment of risk in the Philippines.
To Streetlooker.
No it is not a mystery at all for anyone who has any experience of South East Asia. However it is a mystery why officials would openly and publicly tout for bribes in such an overt way, in my experience corruption even at this level, is usually done with a bit more discretion
5-Star is northbound on EDSA highway while Victory Liner is southbound. The taxi must travel several miles just to do a Uturn and that can easily add 15-30 minutes on the taxi and another 15-30 minutes on the bus. My way you'll save time and money and just trust me when I say traffic on EDSA is murder during rush-hour. BTW, both terminals are located in Pasay so make sure you tell the taxi driver or he'll might try to take you a terminal in a different city.
Good LuckThanks Darth for the clarification.
I had not thought about which direction the bus will be traveling and the time saved. I had just thought about both bus companies located within the same area.
FZ
Philosophery
01-05-11, 04:08
5-Star is northbound on EDSA highway while Victory Liner is southbound. The taxi must travel several miles just to do a Uturn and that can easily add 15-30 minutes on the taxi and another 15-30 minutes on the bus. My way you'll save time and money and just trust me when I say traffic on EDSA is murder during rush-hour. BTW, both terminals are located in Pasay so make sure you tell the taxi driver or he'll might try to take you a terminal in a different city.
Good LuckGreat feedback Darth Sushi. Do you know what times these buses start in the morning? I arrive into Manila@4am. Thanks.
Darth Sushi
01-05-11, 04:56
Great feedback Darth Sushi. Do you know what times these buses start in the morning? I arrive into Manila@4am. Thanks.I'm not sure of the schedule but there is usually a bus leaving for Dau every 30 minutes because although the final destination of the buses are different, most buses traveling north on NLEX will stop at Dau. The majority of buses run 24-hours but with increasing departures in the early morning because most want to arrive at their destination by morning. Also, the Dau bus terminal handles all buses including Victory Liner. 5-Star, Genesis, Philippine Rabbit, etc.
Makeupaname
01-05-11, 05:36
Darth Sushi. That was a great practical tip. I am trying to think of a limerick so I can remember it in few months. Maybe just writing in a post will help me.
Manila to AC. 5 star.
AC to Manila. Victory
You have articulated my thoughts on this subject succinctly. There are some forum members who have hundreds of posts, but when you look for any substance or valuable information it is sadly lacking. As you said it is easy to accumulate dozens of posts by responding to someone else's posts with pointless comments, or a couple of words. Then there are the other members who seem to be in some kind of exclusive mutual admiration society, so much so that they like to take over boards with their pointless (and to everyone else) meaningless exchanges and public back slapping (metaphorically speaking). I don't mind that too much, it is when they then set themselves on a pedestal as almost being members of distinction themselves when actually they have contributed little of value. But then it would take someone like Jackson or other moderator to assess the value of each post before allowing it to accumulate to the member's overall post count. I guess Jackson has far better things to do with his time and whilst the system is not perfect, I guess it is the best that we can realistically expect.There are some "senior" members that are fakers. They either never have been to these places, or they exagerrate / emblesh everything (we probably all know people like them in real life; but only some will be able to notice them).
I personally don't mind too much when they "set themselves on a pedestal as almost being members of distinction themselves when actually they have contributed little of value"; it is when they give false info, false numbers and incredibly fake stories.
I don't want to point them out; I don't want to get into a flame war. We just have to live with them.
Radical Guy
01-05-11, 19:24
There are rebel groups but safety concerns outside of Mindinao are not relevant. More likely to get hit by a trike driver than attacked by rebels.Funny you should mention that. About 4 years ago, in Nabunturan (in Mindanao) , I was hit by a trike driver coming around a corner when I failed to look both ways as I stepped into the street. I was knocked on my ass (must have been a hilarious sight!) , and had to go to Davao Doctors hospital for stitches on my arm.
The trike driver was apologetic, and gave me a blank stare when I jokingly asked him for his insurance card. LOL.
RG
Mate, I know you are trying to urge people to use common sense when travelling, and be aware of safety particularly in "red light" districts. But I live here, and prior to that travelled through Manila and Clark airports more times than I can possibly count.
I was never stopped by customs / passport officials for anything. I never had to take any money out of my pocket, much less the suggestion I give it to them. If it had happened I would have made such noise that any thoughts of extortion would have quickly disappeared. Both airports, by way of example, are hubs for tourists to Boracay and Bohol, the government would never allow massive extortion of tourists to these regions, these are major cash cows.
There are rebel groups but safety concerns outside of Mindinao are not relevant. More likely to get hit by a trike driver than attacked by rebels. Manila, Angeles, Cebu, Boracay, Subic are not anywhere close to the rebel areas in the South. Even in Mindinao, people will tell you Davao is very safe. Ok, if you plan on vacationing in Muslim Rebel areas, yea safety may be a concern.
It is not accruate that the police can just walk up and shoot you. And get away with it. Don't you think there would be immense international press if the Western citizens were being gunned down in the streets by the police.
You say several times street hoods have tried to rob you. I might agree if you define rob as attempts to pickpocket, that is why I never let anyone touch me (including the street kids and vendors). But if you are suggesting armed robbery. It happens. But in relation to most USA cities its hardly significant. UNLESS you are not where you are suppose to be. That being outside the tourist areas hanging with shady Filipino's.
Yes, there are beggars here, they exist because kind hearted visitors keep giving them money. Why don't we stop doing that, the beggars are all organized gangs anyway, the money you give is not going to the poor mother and baby strapped to her shoulder. In regards to the ONE "American" that was begging, he is no longer around. He was crazy and the police finally got him off the streets. That was due to people complaining and the police taking action.
I've also had occasion to travel with a Filipina outside of the country, and many of my friends travel with their wife or girlfriend. IF all the paperwork is complete and matches, they have had no problem what so ever. But it is true if there is some error, in a corrupt country, some peso can make the problem go away. In the USA or Australia, under no situation would the problem go away. The only problem I heard of was one friend who's girl had a different name on her passport versus her ticket. Frankly I had the same problem myself in China, where my first and last name was reversed on the ticket. That required an hour to sort out.
A frequent visitor knows better, but for a first time visitor, its just not dangerous. Stick to the main strip, SM Mall, MacArthur highway shops and restaurants, there is no problem. I am on the streets every single day and night, I have never been robbed (knock on wood) , the police have always been courteous and helpful, I travel through the airports without a problem, and I've never met a rebel, seen one or heard of one operating in the tourist district. At most a tourist may run up against corruption for driving a motor scooter without a helmet (few hundred peso) or trying to expedite a visa extension (maybe a couple of thousand peso at worst). There are people who get into bad things and bad things happen to them. But the average tourist, attending the bars, staying at a hotel, avoiding street people and freelancers, just don't see your alarm bells. You are knowledgeable, accurate, & a great communicator my friend
Sorry guys but just returned from a vacation in another region of the world. So I guess that this forum has changed to bus rides and dangers in the phils. PLEASE look up rides to angles or something else. It has been talked to death for many years. It sure would be nice to hear what is happening in some of bars around town. I plan to be there in a few months and would like to be as updated as possible on the current situation.
Not trying to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off people but how about the girls?
Darth Sushi
01-06-11, 04:04
So I guess that this forum has changed to bus rides and dangers in the phils. I do recall, once upon a time, you "still need a little experienced help" in the Manila section. Hopefully, someone answered your questions.
Normad2020
01-06-11, 04:59
Experts / Experienced Forum Members, I am thinking of making another trip to AC on the week beginning 11 April 2011 (week before Easter). My questions are.
(1) How is the girls selection during that time?
(2) Would they all have gone back to their respective home to celebrate Easter?
Hope to gather some information before I confirm my trip. I will continue to read the relevant forum section.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Matius. Telling It Like it IS!
You are knowledgeable, accurate, & a great communicator my friendYes, I agree that Matius is very knowledgeable, and I enjoy reading his posts.
But let me relate what happened to at Clark airport in October 2010, on my way out of AC.
I am flying out, saying goodbye to AC. Going through customs. Customs officer sees my Canadian passport. I am ethnically Chinese but people in AC frequently mistake for Filipino.
Customs Officer: Filipino?
Me: No, Chinese.
Customs Officer: Aah. Chinese. Kong Hee Fatt Choi! (= wishing someone well for Chinese new year)
Me: (gives him a thin smile)
Customs officer goes through my belt pouch, and finds about 10, 000 rmb (= 1600 USD) in cash. His eyes light up.
Customs Officer: You should give me a tip!
Me: (gives him a another thin smile, but sure would like to tell him to fuck off. I hold my tongue.)
After waiting a bit and not getting a tip, he waves me through. So not really a shakedown, but he did definitely ask for money.
And then there is the recent case of the US marine of Filipino descent who was travelling with 30k USD on him. Customs "finds" a bag of white powdery stuff on him, he yells setup, later the package turns out not to be drugs. But meanwhile the marine is dead, supposedly from head injuries because he jumped from the second floor of a building while in custody of the customs officers.
Darth Sushi
01-06-11, 06:01
Experts / Experienced Forum Members, I am thinking of making another trip to AC on the week beginning 11 April 2011 (week before Easter). My questions are.
(1) How is the girls selection during that time?
(2) Would they all have gone back to their respective home to celebrate Easter?
Hope to gather some information before I confirm my trip. I will continue to read the relevant forum section.
Thanks in advance.
CheersThe number of girls during Easter is basically the same. The girls will probably just light a candle somewhere to pay their respects. Major businesses (like SM) will close for a few days so do your shopping beforehand but it's business as usual along Fields. My only advice is to stay away from the spectacle of the crucifixion reenactment. There was a incident a few years ago where a foreigner joined the ritual only to make fun of it. Pampanga province have banned foreigners from participating last year so stay away.
Nope, I don't want to marry a bargirl but some guys do and immigration to USA is one of my lines of work. Does anybody know of an immigration assistance service in AC that actually has a physical office with regular hours? Is there a market in Pampanga?
ManonsanBoy
01-06-11, 23:38
I am thinking of a repeat visit to AC because of bars.
In 2009, I had a few days there but remember apart from the bars, there was almost nothing to do there. SM mall was OK but apart from that, the casino was second rate and the golf not worth pursuing.
Has anything changed?
Tally Wacker
01-07-11, 00:23
http://www.bdc-consultancy.com/
http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=128&Itemid=72
Nope, I don't want to marry a bargirl but some guys do and immigration to USA is one of my lines of work. Does anybody know of an immigration assistance service in AC that actually has a physical office with regular hours? Is there a market in Pampanga?
I am thinking of a repeat visit to AC because of bars.
In 2009, I had a few days there but remember apart from the bars, there was almost nothing to do there. SM mall was OK but apart from that, the casino was second rate and the golf not worth pursuing.
Has anything changed? Nope,
Only thing changes here is the girls and the price of taking them out.
Shark
There are some "senior" members that are fakers. They either never have been to these places, or they exagerrate / emblesh everything (we probably all know people like them in real life; but only some will be able to notice them).
I personally don't mind too much when they "set themselves on a pedestal as almost being members of distinction themselves when actually they have contributed little of value"; it is when they give false info, false numbers and incredibly fake stories.
I don't want to point them out; I don't want to get into a flame war. We just have to live with them. I reluctantly have to agree. When I originally posted my thoughts on this whole seniority thing I had not expected any replies. I have pegged some so called "senior" members in the past as not all that truthful but like you said we are a public forum so have to live with that here. Now, I just know for certain the true helpful seniors of outstanding moral character and have met a few personally and also have communicated via PM and exchanged valuable ideas and experiences with others that hopefully to meet in person someday soon (don't need to mention names / titles here as you all know who you are if we had contacted before live or otherwise-BTW. Thanking those that have helped me in the past with helpful tips and ideas, will gladly return the favor)
Shark
Just wanted to add to my original post about newbies trying to gain seniorship. I have read my own post about the subject and realize the language used was not intended to insult all newbies.
I for one know that some newbies are very helpful and truthful and willing to help as much as possible as some have great knowledge of certain areas.
The comment I made about using few words or just plain BS to increase the number of posting under your belt DON'T apply to anyone (newbie or otherwise) that is trying to be helpful with answers to an important question that is intended to make life easier for others.
So to all those newbies trying to make this forum a better place for all. Welcome to the club and seniorship will cum sooner than you think.
Cheers.
Shark
I am thinking of a repeat visit to AC because of bars.
In 2009, I had a few days there but remember apart from the bars, there was almost nothing to do there. SM mall was OK but apart from that, the casino was second rate and the golf not worth pursuing.
Has anything changed?At least now there is a good highway to subic.
Of course the shortcut bridge to barrio barretto is closed and if you go there you got to go through.
Olongapo.
But on subic base. I think its nice. Night maket and carnival. Treetop adventure. Ocean world.
Of course I have jet skis there and transportation so I drive for the day.
Take some girls with me and have fun in the ocean. And back at night for the bars if I want.
Otherwise angeles is about the same. But I sure love the girls here more then anywhere else.
Econo Tech
01-07-11, 05:57
http://www.bdc-consultancy.com/
http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=128&Itemid=72
Http://www.blue-bookph.com/ Has some agents listed there.
Http://www.blue-bookph.com/
Has some agents listed there. I am aware of those people. They are based in Saipan with a "branch" in AC. Is there anybody doing immigration work with a full time office in AC?
Hi all,
Having mongered in LOS on many occasions, I have decided to sample the fruits of the Pinay flower.
Having read the reports on this forum I am still a little confused about the pricing structure for mongering in A / C.
In Thailand one would pay a nominal barfine and then pay the girl a set figure after the deed. However it seems in PL you pay the bar the entire cost of the transaction, and pay the girl an optional tip for services rendered.
Am I correct in this assumption?
MauiDude,
I hope you can give a more detailed review of the Subic base on the Olongapo thread. I was at Baloy Beach over the holidays and kept myself entertained, but asking the locals about where to go and what to do is pretty useless. Even some of the oldtime expats seem clueless.
The original poster asked about AC, and I have to agree with Dude that a trip to Subic bay is nice, although the lasses on offer may be a step down from AC. I've also heard that on the Clark "base" there is horseback riding and gokart riding. For those more intrepid, you can hike at Pinatubo or Mt. Arayat.
At least now there is a good highway to subic.
Of course the shortcut bridge to barrio barretto is closed and if you go there you got to go through.
Olongapo.
But on subic base. I think its nice. Night maket and carnival. Treetop adventure. Ocean world.
Of course I have jet skis there and transportation so I drive for the day.
Take some girls with me and have fun in the ocean. And back at night for the bars if I want.
Otherwise angeles is about the same. But I sure love the girls here more then anywhere else.
Mr Enternational
01-07-11, 16:02
Hi all,
Having mongered in LOS on many occasions, I have decided to sample the fruits of the Pinay flower.
Having read the reports on this forum I am still a little confused about the pricing structure for mongering in A / C.
In Thailand one would pay a nominal barfine and then pay the girl a set figure after the deed. However it seems in PL you pay the bar the entire cost of the transaction, and pay the girl an optional tip for services rendered.
Am I correct in this assumption? Correct. All is included in the barfine. Although I don't do barfines I think the AC method is better than the one in LOS simply because there is a set price and you don't have to haggle with the girl. However you could always try to get the mamasan to knock off a couple hundred pesos.
Correct. All is included in the barfine. Although I don't do barfines I think the AC method is better than the one in LOS simply because there is a set price and you don't have to haggle with the girl. However you could always try to get the mamasan to knock off a couple hundred pesos.Thank you Mr Enternational.
You have provided great advice on the LOS board, and once again have come through.
When you say that you don't do barfines, does this mean you concentrate your efforts on freelancers, or pick off the bargirls off duty?
Pattaya always has the 'Coconut Bar' option. Does A / C have a comparible s / w scene?
Hey Guys,
I had a one night window of opportunity, so I am going to make my first visit to AC tomorrow (8th) , if any one is interested in having a beer or three or showing an AC rookie around let me know. I am staying at the Royal Amsterdam, and should arrive early afternoon. I do have a fils phone I can share when I get your message!
TIA!
Sky
You have provided great advice on the LOS board, and once again have come through.So it seems you did read the LOS forum. Read this forum also and you'll find your questions have been answered over and over again.
Pattaya always has the 'Coconut Bar' option. Does A / C have a comparible s / w scene?Not unless you're very familiar with the territory. If you are not, you run the risk of being framed.
So it seems you did read the LOS forum. Read this forum also and you'll find your questions have been answered over and over again.
Rocksoff, I did read the forum (as stated in my original post) yet was still unsure, so decided to ask.
I knew in daring to ask a simple question I may incur the wrath of the high and mighty, all knowing, guardians of knowledge. However I decided it was worth the risk, and can gladly report I was correct.
I swear by the almighty that I will not dare ask another question, without putting in the required hours of intensive research trawling through the pages of this forum.
However, should any of my further posts / questions offend your sensibilities, why not save your time and mine, and just ignore my request for information.
Your assistance would be appreciated, however it is not a requirement.
Hopefully my upcoming trip will provide me with enough experience to be able answer the simple questions of another newbie, without the need to revert to some ill-founded sense of superiority.
Funny.
Rocksoff: for me, chachi asked a legitimate question and one that isn't so easily searchable, chill.
Chachi: no, there isn't really a discernible FL scene in AC. I know AC much less than most mongers here but I'd say the FL scene is limited to SkyTrax late at night plus the mall during the day. The latter being quite slim pickings in my experience.
Rocksoff, I did read the forum (as stated in my original post) yet was still unsure, so decided to ask.
I knew in daring to ask a simple question I may incur the wrath of the high and mighty, all knowing, guardians of knowledge. However I decided it was worth the risk, and can gladly report I was correct.
I swear by the almighty that I will not dare ask another question, without putting in the required hours of intensive research trawling through the pages of this forum.
However, should any of my further posts / questions offend your sensibilities, why not save your time and mine, and just ignore my request for information.
Your assistance would be appreciated, however it is not a requirement.
Hopefully my upcoming trip will provide me with enough experience to be able answer the simple questions of another newbie, without the need to revert to some ill-founded sense of superiority.
Funny.
Rocksoff: for me, chachi asked a legitimate question and one that isn't so easily searchable, chill.
Chachi: no, there isn't really a discernible FL scene in AC. I know AC much less than most mongers here but I'd say the FL scene is limited to SkyTrax late at night plus the mall during the day. The latter being quite slim pickings in my experience. There are quite a few FLs who come out late at night in the Fields area. But the general word is to stay away from FLs on the street unless you really know what you are doing (=know AC really well). And even then it's a bit risky.
And oh yeah, a lot of those freelancers are ladyboys.
If you want something cheaper, you could do bar sneakouts: call the girl up directly, negotiate a price, thereby cutting out the bar. You can call a girl you have barfined before, or some girls will give you their digits if you buy them a ladydrink.
Rocksoff, I did read the forum (as stated in my original post) yet was still unsure, so decided to ask.So you're more sure now, having read again the very same info you read in other posts before?
I knew in daring to ask a simple question I may incur the wrath of the high and mighty,Whatever. I'd just rather not read the same info over and over again.
I swear by the almighty that I will not dare ask another question, without putting in the required hours of intensive research trawling through the pages of this forum.Well, that's what it's there for, after all.
Hopefully my upcoming trip will provide me with enough experience to be able answer the simple questions of another newbie, without the need to revert to some ill-founded sense of superiority.What is superior about saying: the info is there, just read it?
It's rather more superior to say: I don't have time to read, you just please repeat everything for my benefit.
Sorry for being crotchety, I have no problem with you personally (because your request is indistinguishable from all the other requests for often-repeated information).
Rocksoff: for me, chachi asked a legitimate question and one that isn't so easily searchable, chill.It's not so easily searchable, but you'll agree that your answer, my answer, and Wadman's answer contains nothing that can't be read in many, many posts on this thread. If he had asked any specific question about the FL scene it would have been possible to add some detail, but if he asks simply "is there an FL scene" you can't really give anything more than the rote response.
Anyway, sorry for the noise, let's get back to talking about girls.
Correct. All is included in the barfine. Although I don't do barfines I think the AC method is better than the one in LOS simply because there is a set price and you don't have to haggle with the girl. However you could always try to get the mamasan to knock off a couple hundred pesos.Just a note. All is included with the barfine in AC "IF" that is what you discussed and agreed upon with the girl before paying her barfine. The girl is under no obligation to do anything for you for paying her barfine other than hang out unless you agreed before hand. That said, if you reached an agreement and pay the barfine in AC then yes, nothing more is owed the girl. Tips are obviously welcomed and will ensure you an open-armed reception the next time you see her, but not required. Manila is more like LOS where the barfine is simply a starting point. Reason for the difference is that in AC the girls get a large portion of the barfine (based on the bar of course) where as in Manila they only get a tiny bit if any.
Darth Sushi
01-08-11, 12:01
chachi: no, there isn't really a discernible fl scene in ac. i know ac much less than most mongers here but i'd say the fl scene is limited to skytrax late at night plus the mall during the day...here are my observations of the fl scene in fields ave. some may disagree with my observations but i've lived here a long time.
there a small group (5 or 6 girls) of young ones hanging out across the street of the former sub-delicious (currently phillies sports bar). they do walk around trolling but they all seem to sit and rest at the corner where most park their scooters at night. two are definitely **** and all are in need of a bath. i've sat down outside sub-delicious for the last 3 years just observing the situation and even talked to them from time to time. sadly, one just recently gave birth and is back for the same routine. they seem to have regular customers of mostly order dudes. although the barangay police are about thirty feet away, the police are not discouraging them. there's a pinoy dude on scooter who sometimes shuttle them to potential clients. i'm guessing he's a wannabe pimp drumming up business.
there's another group of older, fugly girls who usually work alone trolling. a few of them are notorious pickpockets and their main targets are older guys (with bad vision) who already had too much to drink. i've actually saw a doorman arresting one using an arm lock while escorting her to the police station after a customer lost his wallet. my advice is to keep your wallet in your front pocket and stay away. btw, some gals will resort to fl when they can no longer pass the health check!
every now and then, an older hag walking with a pretty young prospect will approach you. i've always had a bad vibe when approached this way so i've always declined.
there are also a few part-timers of middle-aged moms looking to supplement their purse to make ends meet. they all seem to quote me php5000 at first. when i tell them that i can barfine an 18 year old teenager for php1500, they quickly come to their senses or balk hoping to find a dumb mark. interestingly, koreans are their favorite clients. these gals you might see every couple of months.
there is a very small group of very pretty college girls who usually work in pairs or more. most will exclusively troll for koreans or japanese and they want big bucks for their time and they will only go with you as a group. these gals will usually ignore many westerners especially if you're just wearing shorts and sandals. i think you have to look like you have a big wallet and a small schlong to hook these gals. usually spotted during weekends, these girls are hot but hard to land.
of course there are plenty of ladyboys (bakla) but they're usually easy to spot. need i say more?
skytraks have fls of mixed persuasions including bar girls but, alas, i have not parlayed in this arena.
the last groups of fls mostly hang out after the last bar on a. santos street or in front of that seedy motel around the corner. most of their clients are local and they are mixed in with drug dealers. just stay away if you don't want trouble. a few hotels have posted bulletins warning customers to stay away. a lot of robberies and stabbings have occurred in this area. this seedy motel is also a favorite of **** stings so beware.
Chachi: no, there isn't really a discernible FL scene in AC. I know AC much less than most mongers here but I'd say the FL scene is limited to SkyTrax late at night plus the mall during the day. The latter being quite slim pickings in my experience.Here's a classic example of someone (Artful) who doesn't really know what's going on (and admits it) but posts advice anyway.
Thank goodness for Darth Sushi who actually lives in AC and who can give the REAL and on-the-ground current details re FLs
Fast Buck Artist
01-08-11, 13:15
Thank goodness for Darth Sushi who actually lives in AC and who can give the REAL and on-the-ground current details re FLsRemember the Freelancers are on the street because they can't work in bars, usual reason they can't pass the STD check or the age check (under 18), or both! Think if that risk is worth the 600 or whatever pesos you save on a barfine.
Darth Sushi
01-08-11, 14:32
... or the age check (under 18), or both! Think if that risk is worth the 600 or whatever pesos you save on a barfine.The age check is not always foolproof. I know one gal who used her older sister's identification to work. Remember, once you're arrested, her real age is the only thing that matters. If she looks borderline, it's not worth the risk.
Hairy Wonder
01-08-11, 16:24
I haven't run into the problem of the Filipinas that prefer Koreans / Japanese during my limited number of trips to the Philippines. But I did witness it while I was in Korea. The imported Filipina bar girls would complain to the American men about how the Koreans treated them, when none were around. But when a group of Korean men would come into the club, the girls would flock to them like flies to sh*t. Basically, it was because the Koreans would spend a lot more money than us kuripot Americans would. Most likely it is the same when the Korean / Japanese men go trolling in the Philippines.
Whether a member of these boards has lived in the area, or only visited a few times, I think any helpful advice is better than none. One person's perception of things may not be the same as another's. But it is good that people are trying to help their fellow mongers, rather than belittle them.
HW
I haven't run into the problem of the Filipinas that prefer Koreans / Japanese during my limited number of trips to the Philippines. But I did witness it while I was in Korea. The imported Filipina bar girls would complain to the American men about how the Koreans treated them, when none were around. But when a group of Korean men would come into the club, the girls would flock to them like flies to sh*t. Basically, it was because the Koreans would spend a lot more money than us kuripot Americans would. Most likely it is the same when the Korean / Japanese men go trolling in the Philippines.
Whether a member of these boards has lived in the area, or only visited a few times, I think any helpful advice is better than none. One person's perception of things may not be the same as another's. But it is good that people are trying to help their fellow mongers, rather than belittle them.
HWWell, in AC there is a clear example of koreans preferred at Agasya. I knew the mamasan / manager there and she would tell me almost all the girls prefer Koreans. She also said not all koreans are generous with regard to money. She said the koreans are not much interested in screwing the girl many times. They just want to drink and have a good time and also like eye candy on their arm.
It is a well known thing in AC that Koreans tip better than other expats there. Maybe 3-3-3 has some truth to it. In talking with few other girls in other bars many did not like to go with koreans. The main reason they said is because of the language problem and these girls get bored while the koreans drink and conversate with their friends.
This is a mongering business for everybody. All over the world working girls prefer to make more money with least amount of inconvenience and damage to their body. Being horny is not in their repertoire. If they want sex they need go too far.
Hairy Wonder
01-08-11, 19:16
....She said the koreans are not much interested in screwing the girl many times. They just want to drink and have a good time and also like eye candy on their arm.You are right Sammon. I have no problem with the girls going for all they can get. If somebody else is willing to fund their schooling, hungry baby, or family sickness, it simply means that I keep my money in my pocket. Besides, there are plenty LBFMs around for everybody. And, as shown by multiple reports on these boards, quite a few can be had for free.
If you have ever paid much attention to the Korean men (which I doubt, because the girls are much more fun.) you will notice that they basically ignore the eye candy, except for a few opportunities to group her, and carry on a Korean only conversation. And, at the end of the night, most Korean men are so sloppy drunk that they probably could not do much in the bed. The cutie on their arm is simply a sort of status symbol for them.
Remember the Freelancers are on the street because they can't work in bars, usual reason they can't pass the STD check or the age check (under 18), or both! Think if that risk is worth the 600 or whatever pesos you save on a barfine.Or, the girl simply does not like to follow the regiment of working in a bar. Wearing the stupid boots or a t-back on stage. The endless fines and fees that seem to eat away at their salary, etc.
BUT, be very careful about age, and lock up your valuables if you bring her to your room.
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