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Radical Guy
05-09-11, 18:29
You may have given her some false hope of being a future husband, hence the way she treat you.Nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't make any specific promises. When I was mongering, prior to my marriage, I would tell girls that I wasn't specifically looking for marriage, but "if the right one comes along, who knows?" Then, most girls were instantly motivated to be "the right one," and acted accordingly.

Some may view this approach as being misleading, but in my case I was being truthful. The last one really did steal my heart, and I married her.

RG

Screaming Beaver
05-09-11, 23:04
The last one really did steal my heart, and I married her.You married a Flip? How long did that last?

Radical Guy
05-10-11, 01:24
You married a Flip? How long did that last?We've been married now for 6 years. Things are better than ever.

RG

Chocha Monger
05-10-11, 01:38
We've been married now for 6 years. Things are better than ever.

RGDid you take her out of the Philippines?

Slippery
05-10-11, 02:41
You married a Flip? How long did that last?To call a Filipino a flip is derogatory. Why would you possibly use that word? A couple of more letters would have sufficed. If youn are Hispanic, would you like it if I called you a Spic? How about if you are black? Would you like it if I called you a nigger? I have slept with all three types and had great times with them. I am not the political correctness police but that was a poor choice of a word. Maybe you have a little bit to learn.

Screaming Beaver
05-10-11, 03:46
We've been married now for 6 years. Things are better than ever.RGWow, that's great. You really beat the odds. Is she bi-sexual?

Radical Guy
05-10-11, 15:57
Did you take her out of the Philippines?Yes, she came here on a fiancee visa, and became a US citizen 2 years ago.

RG

Mackin
05-10-11, 19:04
RG, Congratulations, hope it keeps going. Not to raise a fuss but the marriage rate in the US and the success it has isn't exactly good. Just a guess but the ones that do succeed are not the ones who read and write on this forum.

Anyway good luck and keep it goimng. I might join you someday with one of the same, who knows

Nvslim
05-11-11, 16:37
Yes, she came here on a fiancee visa, and became a US citizen 2 years ago.

RGSame with me but 20+ years ago and no she does not like the taste of pussy.

It can happen, just takes a little more effort.

Slim

Admin
05-11-11, 18:31
Greetings Everyone,

I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise pointless posts, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.

This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.

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Jackson

Jack James
05-12-11, 02:24
Hi fellow members will be heading back to angeles late may just wondering does anyone that the jolly frog bar in korea town is still open? Had some great times there I have heard it may be closed?

Docwiltro
05-15-11, 07:42
I believe that I recognise her Doc.

Cutest girl in the place, but when unwrapped is a bit heavy in the thighs, as I recall. But a pleasant roll in the hay nonetheless.

Cheers. In fact, she was quite pleasant and malambing (loving). Riza was one of those girls who knew her "duty" as a bargirl. And, yes, she was a little chubby, but virtually no one would be counting kilos when they're as sweet as she was.

Ekspat
05-15-11, 19:17
Just booked me a flight for January 2012, KL to AC round trip, for approx. 80 USD.

Not too bad, huh?

Zona12
05-16-11, 01:35
Hi fellow members will be heading back to angeles late may just wondering does anyone that the jolly frog bar in korea town is still open? Had some great times there I have heard it may be closed?Still there and now split into 2 different bars. Don't forget the Trip Report after you're done.

Zona12
05-16-11, 02:09
Just booked me a flight for January 2012, KL to AC round trip, for approx. 80 USD.

Not too bad, huh?Great price as long as your plans don't change.

Jack James
05-17-11, 04:50
Still there and now split into 2 different bars. Don't forget the Trip Report after you're done.Thanks for the info will send a report in and let evryone now whats happening there.

Hesekiels
05-17-11, 22:53
Nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't make any specific promises. When I was mongering, prior to my marriage...RG:

And for six years you are not mongering anymore? Why are you then still on ISG? No offence, just pure curiousity! .

Cheers.

Hesekiels

Fast Eddie 48
05-18-11, 01:18
RG:

And for six years you are not mongering anymore? Why are you then still on ISG? No offence, just pure curiousity! .

Cheers.

HesekielsTo Hesekiel,

Give the poor guy a break he is on a life sentence after he is Married with children, not lucky like you get to travel all over the world and sample of the sugar the world can offer, he can only read the post and dream what could of be.

Fast Eddie 48

Key Master
05-20-11, 00:27
Not much info to give except that Honey Pot got raided last night. Put a scare on some bars from what I saw. Forbidden City just closed up for the night after it happened.

FreebieFan
05-20-11, 02:14
Just booked me a flight for January 2012, KL to AC round trip, for approx. 80 USD.

Not too bad, huh? Now everyEkspat can fly. LOL

Mc Don
05-20-11, 06:21
Not much info to give except that Honey Pot got raided last night. Put a scare on some bars from what I saw. Forbidden City just closed up for the night after it happened.Love and music didn't even open up from what I heard as well. Girls and customers were hustled at Honeypot again from what I heard from one of the bar managers.

Mc Don
05-20-11, 07:06
due to the raid last night and the police presence on fields i decided to check out some other areas in ac. the plan was to go to as many filipino or non white bars as i could but lol i sort of found what i was looking for quick and that was it. anyway for what is worth:

dunk shoot music lounge. i was the only non asian there. service is great, drinks are reasonably priced at least on the floor. i had 4 drinks there (paid for 3. they had buy one get one san mig offer that i saw on the end) bill around 400 peso. in terms of beaver you won't find spinners if that is your thing, but you will find some nice full bodied filipinas with tits and ass that can rival many white girls. quality is good, on par with the best of what fields has to offer. the way it works is girls dance on stage one by one is see through clothes or skimpy clothes then they come down to mingle with clients. spoke to few but never bothered with private rooms or prices to be honest many were sweet and fuckable but i sort of had my mind set on something up to 40kilos that i can toss around in my room all night and none of them fitted the bill. at one stage they all lined up and went upstairs i guess to show off to the guys in the vip rooms which was weird it looked like a parade of penguins at which point i decided to call the driver and move on. by the way cell phones are not allowed security confirep001ed mine but they give it back when you leave.

next stop pink ton ton this joint is near the swagman hotel those taking fly the bus may have seen it, its about 100 meteres before swagy. there are few bars, disco and an outdoor bear garden there (or at least there was last time i was there around 4-5 years ago). pink ton ton is more of a strip club, it has a small stage with a pole in the middle and yeah they have some good pole dancers. i could see around half a dozen girls working. again i was the only non asian so all eyes were on me for around 1-2 min before i ordered my first san mig. at this point my cell started to go nuts with txt from girls on fields about the raid in honeypot and all sorts of rumors. word spread that few bars didn't even open up and that few owners were called in. one girl that got done hard few months ago when the raided few of the bars txted that she is leaving she didn't want to take a chance. she asked if she could stay with me. i txted i am with someone and if she does it will be for free, to my surprise she agreed. so i told her to wait at the abc for me. i called one of the girls that caught my eye and asked her how much. she could hardly speak any english so another girl was translating. they were trying to sell me the private room package (they have private rooms simular to dunk shot) but i wasn't interested. i asked for the bill and told her that i have another girl waiting for me at the abc and that i am leaving with or without her. at that point she decided that she "likes" me and since she has never been in a threesome she likes to try. we agreed on 2000p and that was it. i have no idea on prices there but last time i remember they wanted around that much for few hours fun in the private rooms. anyway she was hot, spotlight quality easy so i didn't care too much. total damage there came to 2230. i told her i will wait for her outside while i make the call for the car to pick us up.

outside it was raining so i quickly went to the pea eye bar. this joint few years ago had some hot young chicks working there but now there were 3 waitresses and 1 customer. white dude. had a quick drink, the car came the girl walked out and off we went.

Edward M
05-20-11, 14:30
Love and music didn't even open up from what I heard as well. Girls and customers were hustled at Honeypot again from what I heard from one of the bar managers.What do you mean by "hustled"? Arrested?"Fined"? Asked for a bribe?

Victorian
05-20-11, 15:22
What do you mean by "hustled"? Arrested?"Fined"? Asked for a bribe?Http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8251802/Philippines-brothel-raid-Aussies-arrested

Two Australians and a New Zealander have been arrested after a raid on a suspected brothel as the Philippines stepped up a campaign against trafficking of women and children for sex, police say.

Investigators said they have yet to establish whether detained Australians xxxx. 69, and xxxx. 57, and xxxx. 59, from New Zealand, owned, operated or were customers at the suspected brothel.

Police raided the night club in the northern city of Angeles late on Thursday and found 42 alleged sex workers, including a 17-year-old girl that had earlier been reported missing by an aunt, chief investigator Samuel Pagdilao said on Friday.

"They (detained suspects) are being investigated by our women and children's protection section. We should be filing cases against them shortly," said Chief Superintendent Pagdilao, head of the police criminal investigation division.

Prostitution is illegal in the Philippines, Asia's Roman Catholic outpost, but the sex trade flourishes openly in many urban areas including Manila and Angeles, which until 1992 had hosted a US military base.

Police said they raided the Angeles club after an aunt alleged the 17-year-old girl was being held against her will and was being forced by one of the women suspects to serve a customer looking for paid sex.

The girl had left home a week earlier to look for a job but later contacted the aunt by phone alleging one of the women suspects was forcing her to sell sex to pay for her club uniform, Pagdilao said.

President Benigno Aquino has been stepping up efforts to curb [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), which the US State Department said remains a serious problem in the impoverished former American colony.

Earlier this month, a lower court in the south sentenced two Swedish men to life in prison after their arrest in 2009 for operating a cybersex shop where 17 adult Filipinas performed naked on web cameras for paying internet clients.

Trafficking in people aged below 18 is punishableby life in prison, while trafficking in adults is punishable by up to 20 years in jail under a 2003 Philippine law.

Paying a trafficked person for sex is punishable by community service at the first offence, with a year-long prison term for repeat offenders.

Amjeck
05-20-11, 16:57
Police raided the night club in the northern city of Angeles late on Thursday and found 42 alleged sex workers, including a 17-year-old girl that had earlier been reported missing by an aunt, chief investigator Samuel Pagdilao said on Friday.This is honeypot?

Pinaypounder
05-20-11, 18:12
I think the Porn Industry was built on this concept and I actually live with a woman who has promised to fuck me and my Asian tarts, she allows me my addiction to Asia where I had to lie to my first wife and thus a costly divorce. A good 3 some is worth its wieght in Gold and is wonderful but it is elusive in the Amateur ranks and best left to the Pros.

I have fucked about 140 women in Asia and I have engaged in perhaps 13 3 somes that I can recount.

6 were in BKK with highly trained proffesionals and 4 of these were mind-blowing. I would fly to BKK just to visit the Eden Club!

3 more in BKK with Friends. 1 good. 2 yuck.

4 in the Phils and 2 were ok 2 were forgettable and awkward. A I hate condoms, B changing condoms suck dead dog dick.

To achieve a great 3 some takes research and upfront hard questions with the promises of bonuses. Liqour helps and I recommend the right amount. Warning the Asians tend to have LOW tolerances. Most Pinay get offended when I declare my love of women on women.

My search continues I have 2 ex online GF that have made promises I hope they keep otherwise I will stick to highly trained proffesionals and AFF!

Long live Asian women!

Chocha Monger
05-20-11, 20:49
Http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8251802/Philippines-brothel-raid-Aussies-arrested

Two Australians and a New Zealander have been arrested after a raid on a suspected brothel as the Philippines stepped up a campaign against trafficking of women and children for sex, police say.

Investigators said they have yet to establish whether detained Australians xxxx. 69, and xxxx. 57, and xxxx. 59, from New Zealand, owned, operated or were customers at the suspected brothel.

Police raided the night club in the northern city of Angeles late on Thursday and found 42 alleged sex workers, including a 17-year-old girl that had earlier been reported missing by an aunt, chief investigator Samuel Pagdilao said on Friday.

"They (detained suspects) are being investigated by our women and children's protection section. We should be filing cases against them shortly," said Chief Superintendent Pagdilao, head of the police criminal investigation division.

Prostitution is illegal in the Philippines, Asia's Roman Catholic outpost, but the sex trade flourishes openly in many urban areas including Manila and Angeles, which until 1992 had hosted a US military base.

Police said they raided the Angeles club after an aunt alleged the 17-year-old girl was being held against her will and was being forced by one of the women suspects to serve a customer looking for paid sex.

The girl had left home a week earlier to look for a job but later contacted the aunt by phone alleging one of the women suspects was forcing her to sell sex to pay for her club uniform, Pagdilao said.

President Benigno Aquino has been stepping up efforts to curb [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), which the US State Department said remains a serious problem in the impoverished former American colony.

Earlier this month, a lower court in the south sentenced two Swedish men to life in prison after their arrest in 2009 for operating a cybersex shop where 17 adult Filipinas performed naked on web cameras for paying internet clients.

Trafficking in people aged below 18 is punishableby life in prison, while trafficking in adults is punishable by up to 20 years in jail under a 2003 Philippine law.

Paying a trafficked person for sex is punishable by community service at the first offence, with a year-long prison term for repeat offenders. Could these be the winds of change for foreigners involved in making profits off the hobby in the Philippines? Seems like the Philippine government is making an example of foreign pimps / bar owners / cam site operators to meet USA demands for a crackdown on the flesh trade.

Hesekiels
05-20-11, 23:09
...I have fucked about 140 women in Asia ...Did you really count? .

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Frank4220
05-23-11, 06:12
This is honeypot?Http://www.sundayworld.com/

Not sure anyone has mentioned this yet. If you hit the link you can watch a video about an undercover investigation by an Irish reporter for his paper.
He got a 16 year old girl out of a bar on Fields Ave ( unidentified bar). So Honey Pot may not be the only one
I think these white bar owners are in for some trouble.

Cheers

Cheesemark75
05-23-11, 06:39
not sure anyone has mentioned this yet. if you hit the link you can watch a video about an undercover investigation by an irish reporter for his paper.

he got a 16 year old girl out of a bar on fields ave (unidentified bar). so honey pot may not be the only one.

i think these white bar owners are in for some trouble. watched the video. she seemed very disinterested during the interview."scared"? more like experienced and jaded. after being asked her age, she paused for a long time and says "16 sabi nila" which means "16 they said". who is they? and why doesn't she just say "i'm actually only 16".

are there ****d prostitutes in ac? i'm sure they're there somewhere. the girl in the video? i say bullshit. donald macintyre is just full of shit.

FurryFriend
05-23-11, 06:54
watched the video. she seemed very disinterested during the interview."scared"? more like experienced and jaded. after being asked her age, she paused for a long time and says "16 sabi nila" which means "16 they said". who is they? and why doesn't she just say "i'm actually only 16".

are there ****d prostitutes in ac? i'm sure they're there somewhere. the girl in the video? i say bullshit. donald macintyre is just full of shit. worst. video. ever.

"cheapest red light district" in the world? this guy has never been around. angeles city isn't even the cheapest in the philippines.

he says the girls wear tags. bs. most girls don't wear tags.

"scared" my ass. the girl speaks nonchallantly and disinterestedly. he's asking leading questions."you don't like the job, right?" "you want to live better, right?" "you are new, right?" is this a new style of journalism? trying to get her to say what he wants her to say?

the asshole didn't even have the courtesy of pixalating her face. now, she can be recognized by all her friends and family. she'll also get fired from her job and can forget working in fields ever again.

FreebieFan
05-23-11, 07:03
Did you really count? .

Cheers!

HesekielsWay back when the numbers were countable (as in before I was 25) I used to keep score and in those lonely in a hotel room nights, would go through the greatest hits catalog the way I think we all do.

Since 25, the number goes up and and up and I find I'm scoring so many I have names on my phone / yahoo / email contacts / photo files / that I barely remember them all. Scored more since I was 50 than when I was in my 3) 's.

Gave up counting long long long time back.

Frank4220
05-23-11, 07:26
watched the video. she seemed very disinterested during the interview."scared"? more like experienced and jaded. after being asked her age, she paused for a long time and says "16 sabi nila" which means "16 they said". who is they? and why doesn't she just say "i'm actually only 16".

are there ****d prostitutes in ac? i'm sure they're there somewhere. the girl in the video? i say bullshit. donald macintyre is just full of shit. i just wonder who pointed this reporter in the right direction? seems like good luck on his part finding a young girl like that. women s groups, competitors, pulis?

i am not here to debate the content. the point is there is and maybe you are missing it, is that there is a general theme emerging or trend. of attention on these bars and foreign operators and they are going to be easy targets.

not saying someone would, but it would be pretty easy to plant **** girls in the bars.

in my books that is three hits, the danish cam site operators, honey pot now this new story.

cheers

Frank4220
05-23-11, 07:39
on the subject of **** girls. was bar hopping in star gate back sometime and met a very pretty girl dancing there. i already had plans but we exchanged numbers for future reference.

she kept texting but i was always tied up. my buddy who bar fined another girl from star gate kept asking about the one i met. so i gave him her number.

he called and she told him she was not working any longer, because they found out she was ****, but still willing to meet my friend. obviously he declined in a hurry.

moral of the story. it does happen and probably more than we know. how easy is it for the girls to come to angeles with one of her cousins or sisters birth records. document fraud is easy here. try recto in manila.

cheers

Dodochen
05-23-11, 09:22
Hi everybody,

I am newbie. And I have read a lot but nothing about specially service like: Face Fucking, Gagging, Fisting, Spanking. 3-some with Strap-on Dildo.

Is it possible to find girls for this stuff in AC? How many do it and what? Some experience?

Steve55
05-23-11, 11:49
What is a good ph# to a lawyer or pi staff for immediate response shouod one need legsl services to fight a set up sting operation?

Emale
05-23-11, 15:12
Dodochen.......I assume that you are you looking for girls that will do that to you? If you ask around I sure there will be a few that will accomodate your needs. lol

Irony Monger
05-23-11, 15:25
Hi everybody,

I am newbie. And I have read a lot but nothing about specially service like: Face Fucking, Gagging, Fisting, Spanking. 3-some with Strap-on Dildo.

Is it possible to find girls for this stuff in AC? How many do it and what? Some experience? I suggest you buy a drink or two for the mamasans and see if they can find someone to accommodate you.

Sammon
05-23-11, 15:46
Hi everybody,

I am newbie. And I have read a lot but nothing about specially service like: Face Fucking, Gagging, Fisting, Spanking. 3-some with Strap-on Dildo.

Is it possible to find girls for this stuff in AC? How many do it and what? Some experience? I doubt very much young girls will go for all your devious aspirations. I am sure there will be some older girls will agree given the right amount of tip.

1. Face fucking or reverse blow job- Very much possible.

2. Gagging- Some may do. Be carefull not to hurt them.

3. Fisting- Once again asian women have small vaginas. Fisting will cause extreme pain not to mention the damage inside.

4. Spanking- These girls value their earning capacity. They do not want any marks on their body.

5. Dildo 3 some- Very few total lesbians in AC. Some may do this.

Check with mamasans discretely. Make sure you are not viewed as a crazy person intending to hurt the girls.

Also beware if you hurt any girls in Phi, you will be hurt badly by the goons.

Make sure the girls completely agree to your suggestions. These girls in AC are there to make a living, not for sexual experimentation.

Frank4220
05-23-11, 16:09
I doubt very much young girls will go for all your devious aspirations. I am sure there will be some older girls will agree given the right amount of tip.

1. Face fucking or reverse blow job- Very much possible.

2. Gagging- Some may do. Be carefull not to hurt them.

3. Fisting- Once again asian women have small vaginas. Fisting will cause extreme pain not to mention the damage inside.

4. Spanking- These girls value their earning capacity. They do not want any marks on their body.

5. Dildo 3 some- Very few total lesbians in AC. Some may do this.

Check with mamasans discretely. Make sure you are not viewed as a crazy person intending to hurt the girls.

Also beware if you hurt any girls in Phi, you will be hurt badly by the goons.

Make sure the girls completely agree to your suggestions. These girls in AC are there to make a living, not for sexual experimentation. Do not be so sure! I am shocked at what many girls on cam from Manila and Angeles are offering. Thy must like it for real too. Times they are a changing.

But I agree that you better be careful with your deviant wishes. For your own sake.

Cheers

Dad Fun 555
05-23-11, 16:56
Is there any faster way to get Angeles from Pattaya other than drive to Bangkok, fly to Manila, and drive to Angeles? I thought I heard about BKK-CRK direct flight but now cannot find it.

If stuck doing BKK-MNL is there any better option than the $500 Philippine Airlines flight?

Chocha Monger
05-23-11, 18:28
Hi everybody,

I am newbie. And I have read a lot but nothing about specially service like: Face Fucking, Gagging, Fisting, Spanking. 3-some with Strap-on Dildo.

Is it possible to find girls for this stuff in AC? How many do it and what? Some experience? I know a pair of dominatrixes in Manila who can accommodate your needs. They apprenticed under an extremely sadistic old German lecher. However, their services are not for the faint of heart.

Gagging – Yes. Ball gag is routinely used to suppress your involuntary screams when they whip you. They are skilled enough to draw pinpricks of blood without leaving scars or heavy bruising.

Fisting – Definitely. Wrist or elbow deep depending on the tolerance of your rectum and colon.

Spanking – See whipping mentioned with gagging. Also includes bondage, submission, boot licking and scrotal strangulation.

Threesome with strap-on dildo – They're lesbians and will be only too happy to ram you from front and back with their hard black rubber dongs. So, I guess that takes care of face fucking too.

They will not allow you to penetrate them in any way since you will be in a submissive slave role. The service is not cheap either as they deal strictly with high end clientele. You will have to agree not to hold them responsible for any injuries you sustain in the course of the session. Also, they will need some references to make sure that you're not some sick Jack The Ripper kind of guy.

DriveAllNight
05-23-11, 19:23
Is there any faster way to get Angeles from Pattaya other than drive to Bangkok, fly to Manila, and drive to Angeles? I thought I heard about BKK-CRK direct flight but now cannot find it.

If stuck doing BKK-MNL is there any better option than the $500 Philippine Airlines flight? Cebu Pacific offers at least one direct flight from BKK to CRK. Leaves BKK around 11:30pm, arrives at CRK about 4am.

Some wags call it the "pervert plane" or "sex shuttle."

Mackin
05-23-11, 19:54
now, i am not the authority on ac but after a watching the video i have a few question. they were on fields at the "old wench bar". never heard of this place. could it be fake place? yes there is one eyed wench but names should be remembered if doing an investigation. at the end of the film they show a street, could be anywhere. then he says goodbye from sin city in manila. hold it i thought they were in ac.

then the advertisement for the good old priest who is saving the the girls. sounds like a church ad to say talk about all the good the priest are doing. not to affend anyone but sounds like catholic church propaganda.

yes, i am sure you look hard enough you can find an **** girl there. but if you look hard enough you can find anything you want to find.

for some of these girls their body is all they have to make a living and help the family. no real skills at all. if the church is wanting to help so much how about getting them an education and findiing them a job where they can use those skills.

ok enought of that rant for me

Mackin
05-23-11, 19:56
now, i am not the authority on ac but after a watching the video i have a few question. they were on fields at the "old wench bar". never heard of this place. could it be fake place? yes, there is one eyed wench but names should be remembered if doing an investigation. at the end of the film they show a street, could be anywhere. then he says goodbye from sin city in manila. hold it i thought they were in ac.

then the advertisement for the good old priest who is saving the the girls. sounds like a church ad to talk about all the good the priests are doing. not to affend anyone but sounds like catholic church propaganda.

yes, i am sure you look hard enough you can find an **** girl there. but if you look hard enough you can find anything you want to find.

for some of these girls their body is all they have to make a living and help the family. no real skills at all. if the church is wanting to help so much how about getting them an education and findiing them a job where they can use those skills.

ok enought of that rant for me

Mackin
05-23-11, 19:59
Cebu pacific flies to Clark. They only fly on Tuesday and Saturday nights I believe. Anyway only 2 nights during the week

Dad Fun 555
05-23-11, 21:21
Cebu pacific flies to Clark. They only fly on Tuesday and Saturday nights I believe. Anyway only 2 nights during the weekThanks! I went to their web site and it looks like Tuesday & Saturday and it's redeye out of BKK landing in CRK at 0350. Not exactly optimal but I guess workable.

Are there any other options I'm missing? Looking at the official Clark schedule that is only direct to BKK but possibly connecting through SIN or somewhere.

Mr Enternational
05-23-11, 23:09
Is there any faster way to get Angeles from Pattaya other than drive to Bangkok, fly to Manila, and drive to Angeles? I thought I heard about BKK-CRK direct flight but now cannot find it.

If stuck doing BKK-MNL is there any better option than the $500 Philippine Airlines flight? I paid $270 round trip back in March but I bought the tickets in November.

Fast Eddie 48
05-23-11, 23:32
Is there any faster way to get Angeles from Pattaya other than drive to Bangkok, fly to Manila, and drive to Angeles? I thought I heard about BKK-CRK direct flight but now cannot find it.

If stuck doing BKK-MNL is there any better option than the $500 Philippine Airlines flight? To dad fun

You cannot drive from clark to Bangkok don't be an so naive, just take a taxi to Manila and caught a flight there cebu pacific use to fly to Bangkok from clark but only 2 day a week leave mid night.

Fast Eddie 48

Slippery
05-24-11, 01:32
To dad fun

You cannot drive from clark to Bangkok don't be an so naive, just take a taxi to Manila and caught a flight there cebu pacific use to fly to Bangkok from clark but only 2 day a week leave mid night.

Fast Eddie 48Dude, you got to learn how to understand written English. Who in their right mind would try to drive from Bangkok to Clark? Duhhhhhhh!

Key Master
05-24-11, 02:00
Is there any faster way to get Angeles from Pattaya other than drive to Bangkok, fly to Manila, and drive to Angeles? I thought I heard about BKK-CRK direct flight but now cannot find it.

If stuck doing BKK-MNL is there any better option than the $500 Philippine Airlines flight? Are you getting a $500 quote because you are using Philippine Air's website to look at flights? If so, you most likely will get the flight cheaper when you are in Thailand. You buy it when you are there and get the competitive rate. You buy it online, you get no discount. The flight will probably run anywhere from $300-400 I'm guessing. There are tons of little travel agency's that can book the flight for you competitively. It's ok to try and book a few days in advance of a flight, but cheaper the farther out of course. You'll have a handful of airlines and flights to choose from.

In regards to flying into Clark Air Base. My thing is, for people on vacation with limited time, it's probably better to fly to Manila and get your way to Angeles by land instead of air to save yourself valuable vacation time. You take that Cebu Pacific late night flight on both flights, you basically loose 2 nights of fun. To me that's not worth it. You can look at Tiger Airways, but you'd have to fly into Singapore and on one of the legs, you won't catch the other and be forced to stay over in Singapore, plus on the one transfer you could do on same day, you have to get your bags, go through immigration and then come back in to check into the flight. If you have all the time in the world, go for it, but to save the hassle of the drive to and from Manila, just pay the price. Angeles to me gets boring fast and is pretty active early on thru late night so no rush, no big deal to drive from Manila with more flight options and better flight times.

Eric Emp
05-24-11, 02:29
Thanks! I went to their web site and it looks like Tuesday & Saturday and it's redeye out of BKK landing in CRK at 0350. Not exactly optimal but I guess workable.

Are there any other options I'm missing? Looking at the official Clark schedule that is only direct to BKK but possibly connecting through SIN or somewhere. Try Air Asia

They will fly Via KUL

Or there is Tiger Air which Fly Via SIN

Tratnguyen1
05-24-11, 05:06
Gents,

I have finaly made a trip to Angeles city after many visits to Bangkok.

On the transportations means, I used the Victory Liner Bus to Dau terminal and

The Southern Cross Hotel bus on the return to Manila at the cost of 600pesos.

However, It was veru convenience since I had a place at Duck Inn hotel.

For the main purpose bar hopping, I found out the Doll House was at my

Best liking with many great dancers every night.

The bar fine typically at 2000 pesos for short time. I did not find any girl who.

Wants to stay a long time. I Don't want to Give out the reason, for the sake of.

Comparasion Thailand vs P. I. , I shall take Thailand for my future mongering land.

Dad Fun 555
05-24-11, 06:01
In regards to flying into Clark Air Base. My thing is, for people on vacation with limited time, it's probably better to fly to Manila and get your way to Angeles by land instead of air to save yourself valuable vacation time. You take that Cebu Pacific late night flight on both flights, you basically loose 2 nights of fun. To me that's not worth it.Thanks, this is basically the conclusion I was coming to. The BKK-CRK flight is exactly that, a night of precious fun lost, although may be it would be nice to get away for the ladies for a night, and save on hotel. My preference is to travel between about 12:00-17:00, not so early that you have to wake up really early and not so late that you arrive after dark. Still considering the Cebu Pacific flight, though.

Zona12
05-24-11, 06:12
Has anyone taken a Freelance from near the WOW bar? I stumbling out of International couple of nights ago and was offered ridiculous prices.

Zona12
05-24-11, 06:22
Thanks! I went to their web site and it looks like Tuesday & Saturday and it's redeye out of BKK landing in CRK at 0350. Not exactly optimal but I guess workable.

Are there any other options I'm missing? Looking at the official Clark schedule that is only direct to BKK but possibly connecting through SIN or somewhere.Thai Air. I've flown it several trips to meet my schedule.

Frank4220
05-24-11, 13:36
Has anyone taken a Freelance from near the WOW bar? I stumbling out of International couple of nights ago and was offered ridiculous prices.If you want a freelance get a girl you kinda know from the bar. Off the street is dangerous is not to advisable. Be on the look out for set ups.

Cheers

Mc Don
05-24-11, 13:57
What do you mean by "hustled"? Arrested?"Fined"? Asked for a bribe?One of my fav girls from QBar was busted in the raid, she got barfined earlier that evening and went barhopping with a client who took her to honeypot. She along with the other girls and customers (not sure if all customers or just few) got taken to a police station. Before I left AC on Saturday she was still in lock up in manila. The info is from her mamasan who I have been friends with for years and I trust her in fact she probably saved my ass my txting me that night as I was headed for honeypot myself.

Mc Don
05-24-11, 14:13
could these be the winds of change for foreigners involved in making profits off the hobby in the philippines? seems like the philippine government is making an example of foreign pimps / bar owners / cam site operators to meet usa demands for a crackdown on the flesh trade.i think its has more to do with **** working girls then foreign ownership. i see more foreigners relying on their phil mamasan / papasan organizing the girls and the bar while they seat at the back and do f@ck all. i had a good chat with few foreign bar managers / owners this trip and consistently their story is dealing with the natives is like dealing with kids. age does not matter neither does position even a bouncer does not understand and follow simple instructions let alone a mamasan that has vested interest in the barfines or the dancers that lie about their age and so on. bottom line if you want something done you do it yourself or else you are exposed to all sort of crap. boy i am so glad that i am only the customer at those places, as much fun it probably is owning one of those joints i recon its just not worth the headache.

Mc Don
05-24-11, 14:22
Is there any faster way to get Angeles from Pattaya other than drive to Bangkok, fly to Manila, and drive to Angeles? I thought I heard about BKK-CRK direct flight but now cannot find it.

If stuck doing BKK-MNL is there any better option than the $500 Philippine Airlines flight? BKK. CLK cebu pacific. Other option BKK. MNL then helicopter (ABC Hotel) to AC. You get to AC in half an hour. Cost aroun 250 USD.

Mc Don
05-24-11, 14:36
Has anyone taken a Freelance from near the WOW bar? I stumbling out of International couple of nights ago and was offered ridiculous prices.How much more ridiculous can it be then the 700p short time offered in the bars on santos? R you sure she is a girl? Why isn't she working in a bar? To chase freelancers in AC is stupid imo

WestCoast1
05-24-11, 14:42
How much more ridiculous can it be then the 700p short time offered in the bars on santos? R you sure she is a girl? Why isn't she working in a bar? To chase freelancers in AC is stupid imoStumbling around the corner past Kok's at 3:15am, being pestered by about 5 streetgirls (or whatever they were) : "Please sir 300 even I do anything." Also there are regular bargirls who will LT with you after their shift ends for 500 if they like you. That's less than their usual p750 (half the EWR) , but if she's been with you and likes you, then 500 is better than zero.

Mc Don
05-24-11, 15:50
So you are saving less then 7USD is it worth the risk?

Don't get me wrong for you I say go for it, you have plenty of experience here and SEA going on the amount of your posts and reading your comments but a newbie should think about it. Personally I am all for freelance action and knock knocks. But in AC its just not worth it if you don't know the girl.


Stumbling around the corner past Kok's at 3:15am, being pestered by about 5 streetgirls (or whatever they were) : "Please sir 300 even I do anything." Also there are regular bargirls who will LT with you after their shift ends for 500 if they like you. That's less than their usual p750 (half the EWR) , but if she's been with you and likes you, then 500 is better than zero.

Jiggydus
05-24-11, 17:47
i just wonder who pointed this reporter in the right direction? seems like good luck on his part finding a young girl like that. women s groups, competitors, pulis?

i am not here to debate the content. the point is there is and maybe you are missing it, is that there is a general theme emerging or trend. of attention on these bars and foreign operators and they are going to be easy targets.

not saying someone would, but it would be pretty easy to plant **** girls in the bars.

in my books that is three hits, the danish cam site operators, honey pot now this new story.

cheersi agree that this reporter was not very objective. i was in ac (to monger, not do any documentary s4! t) and i talked to a number of girls at a number of night clubs on fields and perimeter. never once did i run into an ****d lady and i objectively asked,"what is your age". now some girls did share that they did not like the night life, but that was said by them with no coaxing or leading from me. just casual, but more objective chit chatting than what this dude was doing. as a matter of fact, he reminds me of that numb knuck doing a similar documentary in the dr and that fool brian bates stomping on the street scene in okc. and to think. we are actually going to be increasing our funding to these ngos that are doing nothing to really solve the issues in all these countries. but i guess it makes them "feel good." well in less than a month, i will be feeling good in haiti. and the only thing i plan to document is my slong sliding in and out of some nice wet, black paussy. i plan to stimulate the local economy in more ways than one! peace out.

Sammon
05-24-11, 18:07
Has anyone taken a Freelance from near the WOW bar? I stumbling out of International couple of nights ago and was offered ridiculous prices.Freelancers are to stay away from in AC.

Having said that I have taken 5 freelancer girls so far.

1. I was having dinner at moe's and this cute girl walks by with her friends. We both smiled and I waved her over.

She said she was working in some bar till she got pregnant and had a baby. Could not go back to the bar and work

Long hours because of the baby.

Turned out to be a nice GFE with good sex. She had to leave by 5 am to go back home but not before one more

Shot. I was leaving that day and could not meet her again. Cost was 1000 P + one drink for her since she has eaten already. She gave me her number but I lost it. Never saw her again afterwards on the street.

2. Took 2 girls separately from the Disco. They both said they have regular jobs at the mall. They also could not stay all night. Damage 1000 p each.

3. Walking on the street met a well dressed girl, smiles exchanged and I asked her if she wanted to have a drink. Ducked into moe's.

She was working in the Casino she said. Not very enthisiastic in sex. Maybe she was looking for a sponsor.

Damage 1000 P. Only one shot.

4. Was sitting at moe's next to a girl who was having beer by herself. Started talking to her and she asked me to take her into barhopping. I was already sexed out and thought even if I did not get laid it would nice to have a beatifull girl accompany me. We went to about three bars and disco. She paid for some of the drinks. She got so drunk and we spent the night without sex. In the morning she said she is a chef at one of the restaurents in the downtown AC and had a week off. She thought of going to manila to meet her friend but just thought maybe she could hook up with a foreigner. I had a feeling she has done this before.

Anyway she said she wants go home to change her clothes and can she meet me later?

I replied saying if she is going to play hard to get I am not the right person because I come to AC looking for sex.

I told her if she comes back we are going to have sex first thing.

Sure enough she came back with a bag of clothes and we had a very good time together for 5 days. My cost was food and drinks although she insisted on paying for some of the drinks.

On the day of my leaving I put some 3000 pesos in her purse without her noticing it.

This experience was the best among freelancers for me.

Beware that there are lots of scams in AC concerning freelancers but once a while you do find jems. There are many girls on the street and disco who are looking for fun and some extra money. Since our focus is towards the bars we forget that regular part timers are available. If it was in Manila we would not think twice about meeting girls in bars and streets and mall and taking them home.

Edward M
05-25-11, 05:13
One of my fav girls from QBar was busted in the raid, she got barfined earlier that evening and went barhopping with a client who took her to honeypot. She along with the other girls and customers (not sure if all customers or just few) got taken to a police station. Before I left AC on Saturday she was still in lock up in manila. The info is from her mamasan who I have been friends with for years and I trust her in fact she probably saved my ass my txting me that night as I was headed for honeypot myself.The thought that customers were arrested is making me very nervous about my planned trip next month. I may skip AC and go somewhere else.

Mc Don
05-25-11, 05:23
The thought that customers were arrested is making me very nervous about my planned trip next month. I may skip AC and go somewhere else.Don't know if they were arrested but from what I heard were asked to go to a police station, it could have been just to provide a statement. I would not skip AC, this was is a rare incident although if you do see LE circulating around you may want to check some of the alternative spots. There is still plenty of fun to be had in AC

WestCoast1
05-25-11, 06:47
So you are saving less then 7USD is it worth the risk?McDon, I didn't understand $7 thing. Did you mean:

1. Saving money by having a bargirl come over after her shift (as opposed to paying the EWR)?

Or.

2. Saving money by taking the SW for p300 (as opposed to Santos, at p700)? I didn't take the SW, I'm just saying that I get touts from SW for 300-700 typically after the bars are closing. 'Worth the risk' is up to each gent.

I will PM you.

Zona12
05-25-11, 07:48
McDon, I didn't understand $7 thing. Did you mean:

1. Saving money by having a bargirl come over after her shift (as opposed to paying the EWR)?

Or.

2. Saving money by taking the SW for p300 (as opposed to Santos, at p700)? I didn't take the SW, I'm just saying that I get touts from SW for 300-700 typically after the bars are closing. 'Worth the risk' is up to each gent.

I will PM you.To each his own but there are some decent finds and I agree there needs to be some thought behind the selection.

Ekspat
05-25-11, 10:05
Now everyEkspat can fly. LOLEspecially the retired ones, hehe!

Cheers!

Ekspat
05-25-11, 10:08
Great price as long as your plans don't change.Bro Zona, I'm not more longer working, so unlikely that I have to change plans. And secondly, since it's so dirtcheap, in case something really important comes up, then I simply don't fly and it forfeits. Who cares?

Air Asia had another promo yesterday, so I got flights for March and April '12 even slightly cheaper.

Cheers!

Edward M
05-25-11, 13:22
Don't know if they were arrested but from what I heard were asked to go to a police station, it could have been just to provide a statement. I would not skip AC, this was is a rare incident although if you do see LE circulating around you may want to check some of the alternative spots. There is still plenty of fun to be had in ACThanks. That is a little reassuring. I do feel bad for your friend. She didn't even work in the bar and still got arrested. Things like this make me sick. Sometimes I feel exploited at my job too but I would hate to have the police come in, arrest me, and "rescue" me and put me in jail because I am a "victim".

Xfactors
05-26-11, 07:39
Right next to Lost in Asia (in middle of the plaza) is Afterschool, another afternoon bar which is quite fun. Mirrors at the Clarkton (next lot past the plaza opens at 3, so that gives you a cluster of 3 good afternoon bars (Roadies, the other bar in the complex, gets thumbs down from those in the know). There are advantages to going early, before the regulars (Perimeter places tend to have more regular clientele than the Lower fields area places) arrive and snap up the best girls.Below is a map for Lost in Asia. Put your cursor in the middle of the map, over the + sign, to find Lost in Asia. Move your cursor around, to find other bars, or hotels in this area.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=15.1663246&lon=120.5641365&z=17&l=0&m=b&v=8

Xfactors
05-26-11, 07:50
Donald Macintyre is just full of shit.Donald Macintyre is just a dipshit do-gooder, who wants to rid the world of prostitution. Fuck him.

Fastpiston
05-28-11, 06:49
Cebu Pacific do operate flights between BKK and CLK, however I understand they are not daily and have a very poor reputation for delays and cancellations. They also fly at terrible times. Recently Cebu Pacific does a decent hour flight from / to Manila.

I guess best way is use Philippine Airlines to / from Manila IF YOU BOOK ONLINE AT ABOUT 3 MONTHS AHEAD to get the compeitive fares.

CP usually make an unbelievable fuss over booking with foreign credit cards, hopefully Philippine Airlines has matured on this issue. Strange they cannot learn from Air Asia and Tiger Air who accept foreign credit cards.

Blackangst
05-30-11, 00:14
One of my fav girls from QBar was busted in the raid, she got barfined earlier that evening and went barhopping with a client who took her to honeypot. She along with the other girls and customers (not sure if all customers or just few) got taken to a police station. Before I left AC on Saturday she was still in lock up in manila. The info is from her mamasan who I have been friends with for years and I trust her in fact she probably saved my ass my txting me that night as I was headed for honeypot myself.Out of curiosity why was she transferred to Manila?

Cheesemark75
05-30-11, 02:04
i am not here to debate the content. the point is there is and maybe you are missing it, is that there is a general theme emerging or trend. of attention on these bars and foreign operators and they are going to be easy targets.

not saying someone would, but it would be pretty easy to plant **** girls in the bars.

in my books that is three hits, the danish cam site operators, honey pot now this new story. you make a good point frank4220. journalists, politicians, police, conservative anti-prostitution organizations, etc, etc, they tend to go after easier targets and low-hanging fruit.

the more popular ac is the bigger target they are. furthermore, anything related to foreigners are big in the news whereas killings in violent neighborhoods might not even make it to the news. of course, one can easily pay a hooker to say whatever they want. planting **** girls, i think, is a much bigger operation, and is guaranteed to be much bigger news.

i haven't seen any proof that ****d prostitution is commonplace in ac. of course i believe it is there somewhere, as well as in other sex-tourism destinations like thailand also. but after thousands and thousands of arrests, they should be able to net more than a handful. nobody, so far, has been able to provide reliable data that ****d prostitution is indeed prevalent. even dubious / fraudulent claims are very low.

Fast Eddie 48
05-30-11, 07:01
Stumbling around the corner past Kok's at 3:15am, being pestered by about 5 streetgirls (or whatever they were) : "Please sir 300 even I do anything." Also there are regular bargirls who will LT with you after their shift ends for 500 if they like you. That's less than their usual p750 (half the EWR) , but if she's been with you and likes you, then 500 is better than zero.To West Coast,

I come across SW like this in burgos and Malate in manila also very young girl look like on drug that will go with you for 500 peso for all night, it just sound too good to be true just don't take a chance it can be a scam, there are girls across the st from the hyigene hospital mamasan want 300 peso upfront for st most girl look old and dirty.

Fast Eddie 48

WestCoast1
05-30-11, 15:55
To West Coast,

I come across SW like this in burgos and Malate in manila also very young girl look like on drug that will go with you for 500 peso for all night, it just sound too good to be true just don't take a chance it can be a scam, there are girls across the st from the hyigene hospital mamasan want 300 peso upfront for st most girl look old and dirty.

Fast Eddie 48Interesting. I've received several PM's from gents warning that I should not have taken the SW who offered herself for that amount. I didn't take her. I was just saying in the post that there are girls (and bakla) who will work for that. There are also regular bar-girls who will work for 500 after her shift or on her night off (that includes the high-priced girls). Some will even come over for free (usually older, 30's, waitresses) if there is McDo, drinks, or breakfast involved.

Mc Don
05-30-11, 17:05
Out of curiosity why was she transferred to Manila?I have no idea. I am just reporting what mamasan told me. All I know is that 2 days after the honeypot was closed she was still in police custody. I didn't ask anything else as I was leaving anyway and I didn't want to open a gate for them to start begging for money to bail her out or anything.

Mc Don
05-30-11, 17:08
if they wanted to clean the **** girls from the industry they could have started with the cam girls. i recently got told by one girl (now 19) she started working cam when 14.

Sammon
05-30-11, 17:19
McDon, I didn't understand $7 thing. Did you mean:

1. Saving money by having a bargirl come over after her shift (as opposed to paying the EWR)?

Or.

2. Saving money by taking the SW for p300 (as opposed to Santos, at p700)? I didn't take the SW, I'm just saying that I get touts from SW for 300-700 typically after the bars are closing. 'Worth the risk' is up to each gent.

I will PM you. 1. I have given my phone numbers to bargirls and they have called and showed up in my room many times.

This should be done discreetly. I always carry pre-written slips of paper with my phone number.

All say they are afraid to loose the job if found out. The problem if they staying at the boarding house along with other girls they stay only short time. There is plenty of rivalry and back biting among girls. They always report to the mamasan that a perticular girl who is not barfined did not come home for the night. ST usually are happy with 500-800 pesos.

Those who stay on their own do stay LT and if you want the whole next day also. Cost will be 1000 pesos plus food.

Those girls who are new in AC are less likely to do this because they are afraid of loosing their breadwinner staus for their families.

2. I have picked up freelancers on the street as well as disco. It is not that dangerous if you use a clear head.

Most of the girls are former bargirls or barfined runners.

Just be carefull to use protection because the girls might have failed hygiene examination (whatever that is) and told to stay home for two weeks.

Droplet
05-30-11, 22:51
Why go to Pattaya.

This is a quick noobie question. From research it seems that AC is much cheaper than Thailand and Pattaya for that matter. It seems the prices double in Thailand. So why are so many people still heading for Thailand and not AC?

If you could do a SE asian trip and have two weeks to spare for AC and Pattaya, how many days would you devote to each? Obviously you would spend a few days in Pattaya just for the experience. What is so good about Pattaya that is not avaiiable in AC?

Thanks,

Dveight
05-30-11, 23:13
Try Air Asia

They will fly Via KUL

Or there is Tiger Air which Fly Via SINThe first Air Asia flight from BKK does not get to KUL until after the only KUL. CRK flight leaves in the morning, you end up having to spend the night in KUL, get up really early and fly to CRK. I tried it once and it was a big pain, I would have been better off flying to MNL, and driving to AC

Member #4698
05-31-11, 01:20
Why go to Pattaya.

This is a quick noobie question. From research it seems that AC is much cheaper than Thailand and Pattaya for that matter. It seems the prices double in Thailand. So why are so many people still heading for Thailand and not AC?

If you could do a SE asian trip and have two weeks to spare for AC and Pattaya, how many days would you devote to each? Obviously you would spend a few days in Pattaya just for the experience. What is so good about Pattaya that is not avaiiable in AC?

Thanks, The quick answer is that it is not about the money. If I was a newbie and had 2 weeks to spend in South East Asia, I would spend 5 days in Pattaya, 5 days in AC, and 4 days in BKK or some variant of that.

But why frame the question as either or? Variety is the spice of life. Filipinas, Thais, Khmers, Chinese girls, Indonesians, Mongolian, Vietnamese and Japanese girls are all worth doing. Eating chicken for dinner every day gets boring. Sometimes you want some baby back ribs, or maybe shrimp gumbo. That's why I am glad there is a Thailand and a PI. And by the way, don't limit yourself to just AC and Pattaya. That can get monotonous too, especially when great times can be had in BKK, Macau, HKG, CP, Penh, MNL, and Cebu just to mention a few other worthwhile watering holes. In fact, I prefer BKK over Pattaya and I am not sold on the idea that AC is the best place in PI to monger.

AC and Pattaya are similar in many ways, but are also very different. Both towns are pretty much one horse towns dedicated to loose women and bars, although Pattaya has pretensions to being a beach resort. Pattaya has better restaurants and more non sexual daytime activities. I like taking long walks down Jomtien Beach. You can't do that anywhere in AC. AC has no pretensions or airs that it is something it is not, especially when you are on the strip. And that is not a bad thing.

As to the women; Thai and Filipinas are very different. I could write a short book explaining the differences. I happen to like Thai girls a little better, but it is definitely a good change up to be with Filipinas. Filipinas speak English and act more American if you know what I mean. Thais girls are more mysterious and 'Eastern' again, if you know what I mean. IMHO Thai girls are better looking, have better bodies and are more hygienic. Filipinas can be more GF and wilder in bed. These are big generalizations and I do not mean to apply them to individual girls. YMMV, but as an example I have never mistakenly bar fined a Thai girl while she was on her "mens". ' Thai girls won't do that. But this has happened to me a couple of times with Filipinas.

So generally I prefer Thai girls over Filipinas. Other guys like Filipinas better. It is a matter of personal taste. When I was at Sabang Beach, Palawan in March, I ran into an American guy there on the beach. He had a beautiful Filipina GF with him. She was smoking hot and it was obvious he had known her for a long time. We had a few beers and talked. He was my exact opposite. While I have spent the last 10 years mostly in Thailand (this was my first trip to PI.) , he had spent the last 10 years almost exclusively in PI. You can imagine the conversation we had. Each of us told the other of our favorite hangouts and things we liked best about these two very different countries. I plan to spend more time in PI over the next ten years. There are a lot of fantastic beaches to see and a lot of girls to bang. But I will always stop off in Thailand for obvious reasons. I love Thai girls.

Pussycheck
05-31-11, 02:12
Barfines usually 1500 or 1800 Pesos, some bars even have barfines with 2000, 2500, 3000 and 4000 Pesos.

Ladies drinks usually between 125. 150 Pesos.

Drinks for the man usually 50. 65 Pesos during Happy Hour and 85. 95 Pesos.

The attitude of the girls went down since my last visit in November 2009.

Example: You buy a drink for a girl, later you tell her you want to barfine her, then she tells you she has menstruation. No good. Wasted money for the ladies drink if you wanted to barfine her.

You still can find good looking girls in AC but you more find them in the 2000 Pesos and up barfine category now.

I will not come back to AC anymore probably because I do not like it anymore. Except the girls everything has become rather expensive for what you get: accomodation and food compared to the prices you usually have to pay in the Philippines.

Zona12
05-31-11, 02:38
if they wanted to clean the **** girls from the industry they could have started with the cam girls. i recently got told by one girl (now 19) she started working cam when 14.my gf was a 16 yo cherry girl and worked 3 years and made lots of mone. why

she even looks 16 now at age of 20

Chocha Monger
05-31-11, 03:43
Barfines usually 1500 or 1800 Pesos, some bars even have barfines with 2000, 2500, 3000 and 4000 Pesos.

Ladies drinks usually between 125. 150 Pesos.

Drinks for the man usually 50. 65 Pesos during Happy Hour and 85. 95 Pesos.

The attitude of the girls went down since my last visit in November 2009.

Example: You buy a drink for a girl, later you tell her you want to barfine her, then she tells you she has menstruation. No good. Wasted money for the ladies drink if you wanted to barfine her.

You still can find good looking girls in AC but you more find them in the 2000 Pesos and up barfine category now.

I will not come back to AC anymore probably because I do not like it anymore. Except the girls everything has become rather expensive for what you get: accomodation and food compared to the prices you usually have to pay in the Philippines. Dwight D Eisenhower, once said that he, 'learned to expect a maximum of promise and a minimum of performance' from Filipinos.

Zona12
05-31-11, 04:16
BExample: You buy a drink for a girl, later you tell her you want to barfine her, then she tells you she has menstruation. No good. Wasted money for the ladies drink if you wanted to barfine her.She (same as you) have a choice who she goes with. She saying her mens might have been a polite way of saying "No, you can not put your penis in me arse"

Gangles
05-31-11, 12:14
Four days ago, I took a flying visit to Angeles City for a brief meet up with a friend.

We drove onto Fields Avve at about 2 pm, And it was, literally deserted. No cars, no trikes.

My friend, who owns a pub, said that there are no customers in town.

Looks like a good situation for a monger who likes the odds in his favour.

Gangles

Sky Ryder
05-31-11, 12:52
Four days ago, I took a flying visit to Angeles City for a brief meet up with a friend.

We drove onto Fields Avve at about 2 pm, And it was, literally deserted. No cars, no trikes.

My friend, who owns a pub, said that there are no customers in town.

Looks like a good situation for a monger who likes the odds in his favour.

GanglesWow this is a BIG change from the last few months when I couldn't get a room at either of my favorite hotels. Maybe it's time to revisit!

Soapy Smith
05-31-11, 15:48
Dwight D Eisenhower, once said that he, 'learned to expect a maximum of promise and a minimum of performance' from Filipinos.His disagreement with Douglas MacArthur, whom he served as an aide, over this and other issues plagued their relationship throughout their lives. But I wonder down through history how often occupied colonists have attained the undying respect of their occupiers for their diligence and dedication to the occupiers' purposes. Perhaps we should consider statements made by the British about colonists in the pre-revolutionary American colonies.

Sammon
05-31-11, 16:22
Four days ago, I took a flying visit to Angeles City for a brief meet up with a friend.

We drove onto Fields Avve at about 2 pm, And it was, literally deserted. No cars, no trikes.

My friend, who owns a pub, said that there are no customers in town.

Looks like a good situation for a monger who likes the odds in his favour.

GanglesAt 2 PM it is always deserted. None of the bars are open except dollhouse and couple of others.

Action picks up around 6 pm. I heard most of the early punters go to the perimeter bars because they open early and also to have the best chance to pick up lookers.

2 PM is not really a indicator on Fields avenue. You should go more like 9 PM and duck into the bars to see if there are lots of people or not.

Zona12
06-01-11, 01:31
9PM is the beginning of the Golden Hour on fields. You can also get low cost action near WOW Bar on Santos. They give the best Deep Throat ever!

WorldAmpTour
06-01-11, 08:53
9PM is the beginning of the Golden Hour on fields. You can also get low cost action near WOW Bar on Santos. They give the best Deep Throat ever!My friend swears by this place since we usually stay at PB. Give Matrix Browne a try near the Lewis Grand.

Rob Woodrow
06-02-11, 02:02
My friend swears by this place since we usually stay at PB. Give Matrix Browne a try near the Lewis Grand.For me, no trip is complete without hitting the Black Pearl.

Apeman 28
06-02-11, 02:20
She (same as you) have a choice who she goes with. She saying her mens might have been a polite way of saying "No, you can not put your penis in me arse"Best to ask are you available, if yes buy drink. If no fuck off. Don't waste the pesos on drink sluts. Keep for some bird who shows interest.

Fast Eddie 48
06-02-11, 06:07
Four days ago, I took a flying visit to Angeles City for a brief meet up with a friend.

We drove onto Fields Avve at about 2 pm, And it was, literally deserted. No cars, no trikes.

My friend, who owns a pub, said that there are no customers in town.

Looks like a good situation for a monger who likes the odds in his favour.

GanglesTo Gangle,

I think all the monger is sleeping that is what I do at 2 pm, you don't know until night time when all th monger come out not much to do here during day time other than going to the mall or BJ bar.

Fast Eddie 48

Just Seven
06-02-11, 06:14
Heading back to AC again on Friday!

SEAir HKG to Clark!

Will be staying near blow row. (Santos)

If any of the regulars want to meet up and show me their favorite bar, first beer is on me.

I will be making a point to try more of the non fields bars this trip. So Black Pearl, Matrix, and Honky Tonk are definitely on my list.

I also want to try 3 girls from blow row for 3 hours, fuck pool food fuck. Might be better with just 2 girls. Not entirely sure.

After my first trip I cannot believe I have been back to AC so frequently. Life is good my friends. Life is good.

Amjeck
06-02-11, 12:20
Best to ask are you available, if yes buy drink. If no fuck off. Don't waste the pesos on drink sluts. Keep for some bird who shows interest.Yes this is very good advice. Before buying any drinks ask the chick;"Can I barfine you tonight?" and "Are you menstrating?"

It's sad to see the increase in drink sluts in the last few years. I'm all for helping educate fellow mongers as they walk through the mine fields in AC.

Fast Eddie 48
06-02-11, 22:37
Yes this is very good advice. Before buying any drinks ask the chick;"Can I barfine you tonight?" and "Are you menstrating?"

It's sad to see the increase in drink sluts in the last few years. I'm all for helping educate fellow mongers as they walk through the mine fields in AC. To Amjeck.

Most drink **** will tell you yes on barfine all night and tell you something else come up she have to leave after you spend 500 p on drink on her, I even confirm with mamasan once I will barfined this girl after she told me nothing she can do family issue most drink **** are liar.

Fast Eddie 48

Amjeck
06-03-11, 10:22
To Amjeck.

Most drink * will tell you yes on barfine all night and tell you something else come up she have to leave after you spend 500 p on drink on her, I even confirm with mamasan once I will barfined this girl after she told me nothing she can do family issue most drink * are liar.

Fast Eddie 48Then refuse to pay the bill. Call the manager over and tell him the problem. He will sort it out for you. Tell him that this girl agreed to barfine and that is why you purchased drinks for her. If she had said no, you would have chosen a different girl.

On several occasions, I've refused to pay for a lady's drink because the girl conned me in one way or another.

It's up to you, but I don't take any kind of shit from anyone in AC. I always stand my ground and always get treated fairly when calling out the pinos on their bullshit tactics.

GreenBud
06-03-11, 21:28
It's up to you, but I don't take any kind of shit from anyone in AC. I always stand my ground and always get treated fairly when calling out the pinos on their bullshit tactics.You should stand your ground, up to a point (especially to a pinoy manager). Ask that Swede who got beaten up at the Dollhouse if he still wants to stand up for his principles.

Did the Dollhouse have a local, or a Western manager at that time?

Many of the bars in Angeles (not in Manila though) will have "Western" managers / owners; been told by the Western managers that you need them for customer service.

Kirra Dude
06-03-11, 21:54
Hello, Fellow Mongers.

I am a newbie to the site. This is my first post. I am planning a four week trip to celebrate my new found freedom and am wondering how to split my time between these 2 beautiful parts of the world. I'm giving it all a go. Sings "if my x could see me now" LMAO.

Am I right in saying that in AC its about giving the bar the bulk of cash for a girl (1000-2000 php) and a small tip of (500php) to the girl dependent on serviceng as opposed to Pattaya where the the bar gets approx 500thb and 700-1500thb for the girl dependent on service and ST OR LT.

Thanks in anticipation on an answer and when I am in town I will catch up with anybody who wants a chumping at the bit wingman.

Kirrra dude

Cyber Whip
06-04-11, 00:25
Hello, Fellow Mongers.

I am a newbie to the site. This is my first post. I am planning a four week trip to celebrate my new found freedom and am wondering how to split my time between these 2 beautiful parts of the world. I'm giving it all a go. Sings "if my x could see me now" LMAO.

Am I right in saying that in AC its about giving the bar the bulk of cash for a girl (1000-2000 php) and a small tip of (500php) to the girl dependent on serviceng as opposed to Pattaya where the the bar gets approx 500thb and 700-1500thb for the girl dependent on service and ST OR LT.

Thanks in anticipation on an answer and when I am in town I will catch up with anybody who wants a chumping at the bit wingman.

Kirrra dudeYeah, it sounds like you are fairly accurate based on my limited experiences there.

Generally the barfines are around 1500-3000 lt or st. Most places around 1500-1800 range. A few of the larger bars, multilevel, had several fine ranges up to 3000 for the better girls, notice I didn't say prettier. I could never figure their reasoning for some of those higher priced girls. There is one place that is a complete rip-off, can't remember the name but its a big place in the back of another place, anyways the barfine was something crazy like 4000+ and the girls there for the most part didn't seem to be any nicer than the ones in the smaller joints. 1500 price. It seems most places the girl gets about half the barfine.

Everyone has their own opinions on tipping but my experience is:

0-500 for short time or runners, depending on the experience.

500-1000 for long time, again depending on the service.

Most time the girl is very appreciative that I give them anything, so these numbers may be high, or it was just my false impression.

Also, one other thing, they like to call it "early work release" instead of barfine there. Technically you are buying a certain number of lady drinks, usually 10, to allow her to leave the bar. Unfortunately you don't actually get those drinks and the girl. .

Like I said, I have limited time there, so feel free to correct me on any of these numbers. I have a "regular contact" working there, so, I can get some additional info if you need it. Looking forward to getting back there very soon for extended stay.

Fast Eddie 48
06-04-11, 07:08
Then refuse to pay the bill. Call the manager over and tell him the problem. He will sort it out for you. Tell him that this girl agreed to barfine and that is why you purchased drinks for her. If she had said no, you would have chosen a different girl.

On several occasions, I've refused to pay for a lady's drink because the girl conned me in one way or another.

It's up to you, but I don't take any kind of shit from anyone in AC. I always stand my ground and always get treated fairly when calling out the pinos on their bullshit tactics.To Amjeck

I don't think the bar will let you leave without paying for the bar tap for the drink you consume, just like if you get a runner after you do her once and try to get your barfine back they tell you noway, the girl will tell you excuse in the last minute the manger just tell you to barfine someone else.

Fast Eddie 48

Wadman
06-04-11, 07:08
Everyone has their own opinions on tipping but my experience is:

0-500 for short time or runners, depending on the experience.

500-1000 for long time, again depending on the service. My tipping numbers are:

ST:

- 0 if the girl has a lot of BS excuses, just did not deliver at all on what she promised.

- 200 for average performance.

- 500 for great performance (which must necessarily include multiple rounds)

LT:

- 0 for runners, real crappy performance.

- 500 if she was average. 2 rounds.

- 1000 if she was great.

Lately, I am more and more inclined to give either all or nothing. So if she tried hard, she gets the full 1000 pesos (for LT). If not, I send her on her way with nothing.


Most time the girl is very appreciative that I give them anything, so these numbers may be high, or it was just my false impression.I think the tipping amounts that the girls expect also depends on nationality and ethnicity. If you are Japanese, they just expect more. And apparently Aussies are the worst tippers.


Also, one other thing, they like to call it "early work release" instead of barfine there. Technically you are buying a certain number of lady drinks, usually 10, to allow her to leave the bar. Unfortunately you don't actually get those drinks and the girl. .Sometimes you do, especially if the staff is nervous due to recent raids. Problem is, these EWR LDs taste like crap. They put each one in a shotglass, and it's a mix of coke and some vile stuff. Even the girls don't like drinking them.

Fast Eddie 48
06-04-11, 07:18
My tipping numbers are:

ST:

- 0 if the girl has a lot of BS excuses, just did not deliver at all on what she promised.

- 200 for average performance.

- 500 for great performance (which must necessarily include multiple rounds)

LT:

- 0 for runners, real crappy performance.

- 500 if she was average. 2 rounds.

- 1000 if she was great.

Lately, I am more and more inclined to give either all or nothing. So if she tried hard, she gets the full 1000 pesos (for LT). If not, I send her on her way with nothing.

I think the tipping amounts that the girls expect also depends on nationality and ethnicity. If you are Japanese, they just expect more. And apparently Aussies are the worst tippers.

Sometimes you do, especially if the staff is nervous due to recent raids. Problem is, these EWR LDs taste like crap. They put each one in a shotglass, and it's a mix of coke and some vile stuff. Even the girls don't like drinking them.To Wadman / cyberwhip.

I will never tip a runner no way don't spoil the market most we should tip is 500 peso if service is good and she stay until the morning, if you tip a runner that tell her is ok to leave early.

Fast Eddie 48

Iching
06-04-11, 08:50
Why go to Pattaya.

This is a quick noobie question. From research it seems that AC is much cheaper than Thailand and Pattaya for that matter. It seems the prices double in Thailand. So why are so many people still heading for Thailand and not AC?

If you could do a SE asian trip and have two weeks to spare for AC and Pattaya, how many days would you devote to each? Obviously you would spend a few days in Pattaya just for the experience. What is so good about Pattaya that is not avaiiable in AC?

ThanksFor me its a straight flight from London to Bangkok and I'm used to Thailand and the way it is.

Dad Fun 555
06-04-11, 09:39
Does the bar scene especially on Fields differ much according to the day of the week? Are certain days busier with more customers, and are certain days better for overall selection of the ladies? I mainly come to Angeles during the week (Monday. Thursday) and I wonder if things are different on Friday / Saturday.

Kirra Dude
06-04-11, 10:53
So I guess the both places end up fairly similar in price for the girls. Cool. I can't wait to get there. I must admit I'm a big fan of choclate big brown nipples and know that Thai birds nips are sensationally big and choclate. Have checked the pinay girls and you seem to get I some of those higher priced girls. There is one place that is a complete rip-off, can'ta wide selection so something to look foreward too. Thanks for the info. Hoping for an October landing so might see ya there. Remember the name but its a big place in the back of another place, anyways the barfine was something crazy like 4000+ and the girls there for the most part didn't seem to be any nicer than the ones in the smaller joints. 1500 price. It seems most places the girl gets about half the barfine.

Everyone has their own opinions on tipping but my experience is:

0-500 for short time or runners, depending on the experience.

500-1000 for long time, again depending on the service.

Most time the girl is very appreciative that I give them anything, so these numbers may be high, or it was just my false impression.

Also, one other thing, they like to call it "early work release" instead of barfine there. Technically you are buying a certain number of lady drinks, usually 10, to allow her to leave the bar. Unfortunately you don't actually get those drinks and the girl. .

Like I said, I have limited time there, so feel free to correct me on any of these numbers. I have a "regular contact" working there, so, I can get some additional info if you need it. Looking forward to getting back there very soon for extended stay. [/QUOTE]

Ezinho
06-04-11, 12:03
Best to ask are you available, if yes buy drink. If no fuck off. Don't waste the pesos on drink sluts. Keep for some bird who shows interest.A technique that has worked for me in the past is to just bypass buying a LD altogether. Sometimes what I would do is just sit right near the stage and chat a girl up I liked while she's up there swaying back and forth. Talk to her for a few minutes and if you sense there's some chemistry just ask her if she wants to barfine right there and then, without even buying a LD. If she agrees she'll exit the stage to go change into her street clothes. If she says no, then just wait for a few minutes and a new rotation of girls will be infront of you sawaying back and forth. Lather, rinse, repeat until someone you like says yes.

Of course, the romantics among us won't like this idea, but they probably shouldn't be mongering in the first place.

Other guys have mentioned on here to chose the girl that "picks you", and that's an option too, but I've found that most of those girls look like dogs. They have to be aggressive to make any money. But, that's an option as well.

Amjeck
06-04-11, 14:36
0-500 for short time or runners, depending on the experience.

500-1000 for long time, again depending on the service. I hear more and more guys flipping girls 500-1000 notes these days.

Now I know why AC girls are so bitchy. These tips are so high, but I guess this is today's AC, not yesterdays. Everything changes!

Member #4698
06-04-11, 16:11
I hear more and more guys flipping girls 500-1000 notes these days.

Now I know why AC girls are so bitchy. These tips are so high, but I guess this is today's AC, not yesterdays. Everything changes! I consider myself a pretty good tipper. In Bangkok, my favorite hunting ground, I usually give Go Go girls 300bt to 500bt (tops) tip. In other words, I give a minimum 15% tip on top of the service charge, not the bar fine, of 1500bt to 2000bt, if she gave me a real good time and I liked her company. If I did not get great service or there was something wrong with the girl's attitude; I do not tip.

In my 5 day first time AC trip, I exclusively took girls out of small Fields Street Bars like Dirty Duck, Gecko, Lollipops, and Body Shop. The EWR was always 1500p. Every AC Filipina bar girl showed me a good time in the bar and at my hotel. I had no runners or non performers. I tipped the girls 200p or 300p each. They appreciated it, but I got the feeling that they did not really expect it unlike their Thai cousins. From my experience then, I recommend tipping 200p to 300p for a 1500p EWR bar girl (13% to 20%) but only if she shows you a good time. Don't be stingy. These girls deserve a little something extra when they do a good job. On the other hand, a tip should be strictly at the discretion of the customer. Do not reward less than very good performance. You do not have to tip if you do not want to.

I agree that flipping an AC bar girl a 1000p tip to be a little crazy. That works out to a 33% tip for a 3000p EWR showgirl or a ridiculous 67% tip for a 1500p EWR girl. But it is up to the guy. Those big tippers must perceive some kind of return on their extravagance or they are just irrational. I don't think it impacts the market too much. The girls view these big tippers as a rarity.

Amadeuss
06-04-11, 17:04
Never ever tip. Its a bad habit of simple minded people to increase their mediocre status in the society.

Did you ever tip your dentist if he pulls a teeth?

Did you ever tip your mechanic for changing oil on your wreck?

Did you ever tip your wife for serving you?

Why then tipping a working girl for a job done on a price agreed earlier? Not logic for me at all.

Edward M
06-04-11, 17:18
I consider myself a pretty good tipper. In Bangkok, my favorite hunting ground, I usually give Go Go girls 300bt to 500bt (tops) tip. In other words, I give a minimum 15% tip on top of the service charge, not the bar fine, of 1500bt to 2000bt, if she gave me a real good time and I liked her company. If I did not get great service or there was something wrong with the girl's attitude; I do not tip.

In my 5 day first time AC trip, I exclusively took girls out of small Fields Street Bars like Dirty Duck, Gecko, Lollipops, and Body Shop. The EWR was always 1500p. Every AC Filipina bar girl showed me a good time in the bar and at my hotel. I had no runners or non performers. I tipped the girls 200p or 300p each. They appreciated it, but I got the feeling that they did not really expect it unlike their Thai cousins. From my experience then, I recommend tipping 200p to 300p for a 1500p EWR bar girl (13% to 20%) but only if she shows you a good time. Don't be stingy. These girls deserve a little something extra when they do a good job. On the other hand, a tip should be strictly at the discretion of the customer. Do not reward less than very good performance.

I agree that flipping an AC bar girl a 1000p tip to be a little crazy. That works out to a 33% tip for a 3000p EWR showgirl or a ridiculous 67% tip for a 1500p EWR girl. But it is up to the guy. Those big tippers must perceive some kind of return on their extravagance or they are just irrational. I don't think it impacts the market too much. Do you really think the Thai girls expect additional tips? I think it is different there because you negotiate the tip upfront and all of the money you give them goes directly to them. The week I spent in Pattaya I only tipped one girl 100 baht. She was a beer bar girl working at my hotel. She initially asked for 1500 but I talked her down to 1200. She stayed a long time with me until about 3:30PM which was just enough time to go home and get ready to go back to work. I contemplated giving her the 1500 she initially asked for but when she was ready to leave she asked for 1300 so I gave it to her.

Anyway this is the AC thread not Pattaya. My week in AC the first girl I took I walked her back to her boarding house in the morning. Talking to members here before my trip I was wary of overtipping. She did not seem to expect a tip and she was already home so I did not give her one. The next night I got a runner so there was no chance for a tip. The next night I met an Australian guy and then met him for breakfast after. He gave his girl a substantial tip (700-1000 I think) and thus shamed me into tipping my girl 400. After that I gave my LT girls 200-300 and ST nothing and everyone seemed happy with that. My last 2 nights were spent with the same girl including my last night which was her night off. I did not tip her after the first night and gave her 1500 when she left. I figured she would normally get around 700 from her share of the EWR so that would work out to around an 800 tip for 2 nights. I do not know if she thought that was fair or not but she pesters me now all the time via email wondering when I am coming back.

Cyber Whip
06-04-11, 17:56
To Wadman / cyberwhip.

I will never tip a runner no way don't spoil the market most we should tip is 500 peso if service is good and she stay until the morning, if you tip a runner that tell her is ok to leave early.

Fast Eddie 48Yeah, I agree that's why I put that in the 0-500. Definitely 0 for a runner. These were ranges I was giving, so, a very good ST performer could be 200 maybe, especially if ST was the preferred service to begin with.

Sounds like I have been to generous for LT, maybe I should be tipping in the 500-700 range for LT and good performance. I'll have to give that a go next time and see the response.

To the guys that say "no way, no tip, ever", I like to think of it as an incentive. Obviously, the girl is not aware that I am going to tip her to start with, so yeah, maybe they are surprised that I will tip. I like the girl to know, or at least think in her mind, that her great effort to please a guy might pay off. Especially if I plan on taking her again. Same principal as tipping in restaurants. Really, a $3-$5 tip ain't going to make a big difference to me. If a girl is LT and only a fair a performer, then yeah she is getting 500 or less. It really depends on the situation. I guess I could make it something like 200 a pop, after the first one.

I don't agree dropping a lot of cash to have fun, there are at least 6000 girls on Field's alone, granted most are not lookers, but at the end of the night the result is all the same. But I do like to throw a small incentive for a great experience.

Definitely would like to hear more opinions on tipping, especially in AC. I plan to make many more trips there soon.

Wadman
06-04-11, 18:22
To Wadman / cyberwhip.

I will never tip a runner no way don't spoil the market most we should tip is 500 peso if service is good and she stay until the morning, if you tip a runner that tell her is ok to leave early.

Fast Eddie 48Yes, Fast Eddie. And if you read Cyberwhip's and my posts more carefully, you would have realized that neither of us advocated tipping runners. In fact, I explicitly stated so :

"- 0 for runners, real crappy performance."

So not sure why that comment was directed at us.

On another note.

So what is a really good performer? How about if she stays with you 24 hours a day (taking the girl multiple days of course) and initiate more rounds than you can handle. To the point where your say: no more! My dick is too sore.

Amjeck
06-04-11, 18:44
I tipped the girls 200p or 300p each. They appreciated it, but I got the feeling that they did not really expect it unlike their Thai cousins.Interesting.

I find it the other way around. From my experience, Thais never ask or expect tips, but AC pinos do.

Amjeck
06-04-11, 18:50
Never ever tip. Its a bad habit of simple minded people to increase their mediocre status in the society.I agree that none of the girls should be given a tip, but these are new times in AC. There are loads of punters handing over extra cash to everybody (not just hookers) in AC now. So, unfortunately, you kinda have to find a comfortable balance with tipping maybe just a little bit for trike fair or food.

But to tell everyone not to tip is like telling everyone to wear a condom. People will do what they want always.

I don't believe in spoiling anyone in the 3rd world. Let's face it, places like AC are good because they are cheap. Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled *****. Would you still patronize the place? Spoiling the pinoys ads zero benefit. Keep them poor and needy or else they won't need mongers any more.

Cyber Whip
06-04-11, 19:17
I agree that none of the girls should be given a tip, but these are new times in AC. There are loads of punters handing over extra cash to everybody (not just hookers) in AC now. So, unfortunately, you kinda have to find a comfortable balance with tipping maybe just a little bit for trike fair or food.

But to tell everyone not to tip is like telling everyone to wear a condom. People will do what they want always.

I don't believe in spoiling anyone in the 3rd world. Let's face it, places like AC are good because they are cheap. Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled. Would you still patronize the place? Spoiling the pinoys ads zero benefit. Keep them poor and needy or else they won't need mongers any more. Well guys, I really like the spirited comments on tipping. I think I'm starting to see how AC rolls.

In comparison, Manila girls will almost always "negotiate" 1000-2000 tip in the EDSA bars, else they won't go, that has been my experience, they get nothing from the barfine.

Cebu is more of a mixed bag, but at the end of the night the girl generally gains 1000-1500 total between barfine cut and tip. That is the general rule unless you are Korean, then its easily triple that number to the girl, they just don't care.

I profess that we must tip something for the better girls otherwise there is no benefit for a great performance. They would all just be runners because they give your one pop then they are out, they already have their money and you can't complain to mamasan. Are you kidding me? Why in the world would they go LT with you when they could do 3 or 4 ST in a night, for the better looking girls? They ain't doing this because they like you, most are living on a bag of chips and a coke a day, most live on less than 100 pesos per day. I could however agree to 0 for runner. 100 for good ST, maybe 200-400 for LT good experience. I have dated some of these girls for long periods, I know how they think, it's all about the money to them.

WestCoast1
06-04-11, 20:16
Cebu is more of a mixed bag, but at the end of the night the girl generally gains 1000-1500 total between barfine cut and tip. That is the general rule unless you are Korean, then its easily triple that number to the girl, they just don't care.Going to have to disagree with this a bit. I almost never tip, except p50 or 100 for jeepney. The Vikings group girls get p1000 of the p1800 barfine. None has asked for a tip, I have repeaters that are glad for the work. For her p1000 from the barfine, she will perform 2x and stay until 10am. Also some repeaters that are glad to spend an afternoon with me ST for p500+jeep. My not tipping them has not made any run away. I've had had only one runner in cebu; she left at 3:30am because she had a second job (cleaning maid) that she had not told her mamasan about (Sisters bar). She is pictured in the photo thread.


I profess that we must tip something for the better girls otherwise there is no benefit for a great performance. They would all just be runners because they give your one pop then they are out, they already have their money and you can't complain to mamasan. Are you kidding me? Why in the world would they go LT with you when they could do 3 or 4 ST in a night, for the better looking girls? They ain't doing this because they like you, most are living on a bag of chips and a coke a day, most live on less than 100 pesos per day. I could however agree to 0 for runner. 100 for good ST, maybe 200-400 for LT good experience. I have dated some of these girls for long periods, I know how they think, it's all about the money to them.Same disagreement. Bargirls and DIA contacts are happy to get 500/1000+jeep for ST / LT in Cebu. How do I know they are happy? Because they repeat, and / or offer a friend or cousin.

In your mind, its easy to rationalize that kind of thinking, that the girls getting a tip will perform better. That's not necessarily true. The same girl you barfine who gets p1000+500 tip from you, will come over to me on her evening off and get 1000+jeep (or afternoon p500+jeep) , and repeat it with me with a good level of performance (obviously I don't accept repeats of bad performers). If the girl has a choice of going with Cyber (higher pay) and myself, she will choose Cyber. But if she has no customer at the moment, she will go with almost any customer, even if he does not pay much.

An analogy. My brother has a successful business now. Previously, for some years, the business struggled. Currently, he only accepts clients that can pay well, and pay now. He has, in his mind, a way of calculating profit. He will hardly even return a phone call or email from a potential customer if he does not see a healthy profit for his service on a particular job. He can afford to be without work this week (or longer). Its not worth his time to take a job that, after expenses, profits only $100 (chump change). On the other hand, when the business was younger, he could not afford to be without work. If two clients called on the same day, he would take the job that calculated the larger profit. If he had no work that day, he would take ANY job, even if the profit was $10. ANY profit is profit. When you have a mouth (or mouths) to feed, you don't turn work down (referrals and repeats are important).

Which of these two categories do the girls fall into? The second category (she and her biz are young, she has mouths to feed). She would be happy with Cyber's barfine of 1000+500 tip, and she will be fine with my 1000+jeep. She will not necessarily perform better for Cyber than for me (she's already repeating and performing well for me, and learning my likes / dislikes).

Cyber Whip
06-04-11, 21:53
Going to have to disagree with this a bit. I almost never tip, except p50 or 100 for jeepney. The Vikings group girls get p1000 of the p1800 barfine. None has asked for a tip, I have repeaters that are glad for the work. For her p1000 from the barfine, she will perform 2x and stay until 10am. Also some repeaters that are glad to spend an afternoon with me ST for p500+jeep. My not tipping them has not made any run away. I've had had only one runner in cebu; she left at 3:30am because she had a second job (cleaning maid) that she had not told her mamasan about (Sisters bar). She is pictured in the photo thread.

Same disagreement. Bargirls and DIA contacts are happy to get 500/1000+jeep for ST / LT in Cebu. How do I know they are happy? Because they repeat, and / or offer a friend or cousin.

In your mind, its easy to rationalize that kind of thinking, that the girls getting a tip will perform better. That's not necessarily true. The same girl you barfine who gets p1000+500 tip from you, will come over to me on her evening off and get 1000+jeep (or afternoon p500+jeep) , and repeat it with me with a good level of performance (obviously I don't accept repeats of bad performers). If the girl has a choice of going with Cyber (higher pay) and myself, she will choose Cyber. But if she has no customer at the moment, she will go with almost any customer, even if he does not pay much.

An analogy. My brother has a successful business now. Previously, for some years, the business struggled. Currently, he only accepts clients that can pay well, and pay now. He has, in his mind, a way of calculating profit. He will hardly even return a phone call or email from a potential customer if he does not see a healthy profit for his service on a particular job. He can afford to be without work this week (or longer). Its not worth his time to take a job that, after expenses, profits only $100 (chump change). On the other hand, when the business was younger, he could not afford to be without work. If two clients called on the same day, he would take the job that calculated the larger profit. If he had no work that day, he would take ANY job, even if the profit was $10. ANY profit is profit. When you have a mouth (or mouths) to feed, you don't turn work down (referrals and repeats are important).

Which of these two categories do the girls fall into? The second category (she and her biz are young, she has mouths to feed). She would be happy with Cyber's barfine of 1000+500 tip, and she will be fine with my 1000+jeep. She will not necessarily perform better for Cyber than for me (she's already repeating and performing well for me, and learning my likes / dislikes). My comment on Cebu was for very basic comparison purposes only in an AC thread:

It's kind of hard to say you disagree then go on to say the same thing I just said "at the end of the night the girls bag about 1000-1500", you just said the girl gets 1000. Anyways, I was talking very very general terms for Cebu in an AC thread. I'm sure any city has a wide range of operating parameters. You can choose to tip there or not but I can say 100% for sure, if you do not then you are considered tihik.

I guess your other arguments are valid for girls that do not get much action, maybe barfine 2 or 3 times per month. If a girl knows she can do short time and run back to bar and get another customer, she is going to bolt, especially if she knows you're not giving her a tip. Again, we are talking Cebu here, AC seems to have a different MO. I don't have to barfine or tip in Cebu anymore so it's not an issue for me.

It all comes down to this. I have talked to many girls in Cebu, Manila, AC, and as I said even gf's. I'm not expecting anyone to take what I say as gospel and we can all find some exceptions. But. 95% of the girls I have asked, without question, would rather go with Koreans, especially in Manila and more exactly in MBC. They have a saying for the Koreans "3-3-3".3 inches. 3 minutes. 3000p! The same is true in Cebu, AC or any other place. It's always about the money and it's always going to be about the money. Some do prefer white guys, they say we are nicer or they just prefer our looks, etc. Some are looking to get married and go West out of Phil.

My only question to the AC regulars about tipping is this. If you never tip and you pay the same barfine for ST as LT, what does the girl care to run after one pop, back to bar and get another customer? I can't say I would blame her. I'm just asking, not trying to p1ss anyone off. If that's the way it is in AC then that's fine by me.

Socker
06-04-11, 22:04
Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled.

Amject, What are they now. Unspoiled *

Cyber Whip
06-04-11, 22:08
Never ever tip. Its a bad habit of simple minded people to increase their mediocre status in the society.

Did you ever tip your dentist if he pulls a teeth?

Did you ever tip your mechanic for changing oil on your wreck?

Did you ever tip your wife for serving you?

Why then tipping a working girl for a job done on a price agreed earlier? Not logic for me at all. Well a dentist can pull the tooth with or without anesthesia. I'm probably going to pay a little extra for that.

The mechaninc can use various grades or brands of oil. I generally pay a little extra for synthetic in my sports car.

My wife already has all my money! She tips me every now and then, and yeah, I LIKE THE TIPS!

Lighten up guys, we are talking about $5-$10

Fast Eddie 48
06-05-11, 00:39
[QUOTE=Wadman; 1162519]Yes, Fast Eddie. And if you read Cyberwhip's and my posts more carefully, you would have realized that neither of us advocated tipping runners. In fact, I explicitly stated so :

"- 0 for runners, real crappy performance."

So not sure why that comment was directed at us.

On another note.

To Wadman / cyberwhip

Sorry guys I thought Cyber read he tip runner 500 p and 1000p for good service.

Crazy4Thai
06-05-11, 02:23
Interesting.

I find it the other way around. From my experience, Thais never ask or expect tips, but AC pinos do. In my experience Thais frequently ask for tips and usually the ones who least deserve one.

Honeydog
06-05-11, 08:10
In my experience Thais frequently ask for tips and usually the ones who least deserve one.I'll second that been to Pattaya lately

Sammon
06-05-11, 15:58
Do not believe any of these.

1. I go with only Koreans and Japanese because they give me more money.

2. I do not like big dicks.

3. I never barfine.

4. I had sex only once or twice.

5. I only make money by ladydrinks.

Feel free to add on

Hesekiels
06-05-11, 16:52
Do not believe any of these:

1. .

2. . You are certainly right, Sammon! However, as long as their service is fine, I would not care at all. Let them tell us whatever they like, it simply does not matter! Or am I mistaken?

Cheers!

Hesekiels

BionicMan
06-05-11, 16:53
Well a dentist can pull the tooth with or without anesthesia. I'm probably going to pay a little extra for that.

The mechaninc can use various grades or brands of oil. I generally pay a little extra for synthetic in my sports car.

My wife already has all my money! She tips me every now and then, and yeah, I LIKE THE TIPS!

Lighten up guys, we are talking about $5-$10I do agree the value dispute of the talks is the price of a beer or two. But.

When you pay your dentist for pulling ateeth he should ALWAYS use anesthesia. No need of tipping him.

When you mechanic use a better grade of oil, you are not paying a tip to him, you are paying a higher priced product.

Still there are jobs where a tip is part of the income (take US, for instance) and there are job where the personal service or attention makes a difference from the standard (and duly paid) service. Then one can feel free to tip, on top of the fee.

Edward M
06-05-11, 17:28
Do not believe any of these.

1. I go with only Koreans and Japanese because they give me more money.

2. I do not like big dicks.

3. I never barfine.

4. I had sex only once or twice.

5. I only make money by ladydrinks.

Feel free to add on6. You are the first non-Asian I am with.

7. She is my best friend.

8. My mother / father / brother / buffalo is sick.

9. This is my first week in AC.

10. I don't like Pinoy boy.

Chocha Monger
06-05-11, 17:45
Do not believe any of these.

1. I go with only Koreans and Japanese because they give me more money.

2. I do not like big dicks.

3. I never barfine.

4. I had sex only once or twice.

5. I only make money by ladydrinks.

Feel free to add on6. She doesn't like big black cock.

7. She doesn't like pinoy cock.

8. She doesn't have a kid.

9. She doesn't suck and swallow.

10. She only goes bareback with you.

11. She doesn't like working in the bar.

12. She is honest.

13. She is god fearing.

14 She doesn't have a local boyfriend / husband.

15. Her family doesn't know she sells ass.

16. She likes you more than other mongers and you're "different."

17. She wants you to knock her up without supporting her, the child and her family simply because you have blue eyes and a big nose.

18. If you support her she will stop selling her ass.

19. If you marry her she will stop selling ass.

20. She loves you and doesn't want your money or a ticket out of the Philippines.

21. She hasn't had sex for the last 2 yrs or more since her last boyfriend left her.

22. She has never cheated on her man.

23. You're old enough to be her grandpappy but age doesn't matter.

24. Your erectile dysfunction is not going to be a problem.

25. She hates young handsome pinoys and loves old fat ugly foreigners.

26. She will stay with you if you take her back to your country and grow old together even though you have a 30 yr head start.

Fast Eddie 48
06-05-11, 22:30
Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled.

Amject, What are they now. UnspoiledTo Socker,

The price in AC have been triple since 1998 and likey go double again the next 10 yr but it will still be much cheaper than in the US so just have fun.

Fast Eddie 48

Screaming Beaver
06-05-11, 22:39
26. She will stay with you if you take her back to your country and grow old together even though you have a 30 yr head start.I'm pretty sure this one may by a lie based on the hard luck stories I've read here.

Sharka
06-05-11, 23:43
My only question to the AC regulars about tipping is this. If you never tip and you pay the same barfine for ST as LT, what does the girl care to run after one pop, back to bar and get another customer?.I've had runners and let me tell you flat out. They simply don't care if you are a tipper of not. She already made up her mind to "run" as soon as you BF her. Although this may not apply to you but For anyone out there dumb enough to even think of tipping a runner then thats just more money in her pocket and not yours.

Also, your thought is not correct as how will she even know if you are going to tip her or not? As she never completed her agree upon time (overnite) with you? If she orginally agree LT and after one pop she demands a tip to stay longer? For me, this will not go unanswer as I would take her back to bar and complain to manager and Mama her lying tactics. I may not get my money back but at least I let them know I don't like being scammed and point out to them who the scammers working for them. I also try to take a picture of the gal (regular photo and nothing nude) and tell them I could post it for my friends as to the bar involve and gal involve in the scam.

And finally, the topic on tipping has been answered at least several time a year on this thread, just have to read back a little or do a search. Just my thoughts.

Shark

Sharka
06-05-11, 23:53
Interesting.

I find it the other way around. From my experience, Thais never ask or expect tips, but AC pinos do. For me, its been 50/50 for both Thai and pinoy. Half have asked and half don't. Guess mostly depends on who you take out.

Shark

Mr Enternational
06-06-11, 00:18
Lighten up guys, we are talking about $5-$10
Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled. Amject, What are they now. Unspoiled *Funny you should say that Socker because that is exactly what happened in Brazil. However, it was not in the form of just prices going up, but the exchange rate has more than halfed against the USD. Back in 2002 the exchange rate was 3. 8 BRL to 1 USD. It was normal to get a very nice girl for 100 BRL all night which was then equivalent to 26 USD. Today the bare minimum you will get a bottom of the barrel girl all night for is 150 BRL (the good ones demand from 300 - 500 BRL) or at today's exchange rate of 1. 57 that is 95 USD. So Cyber Whip, should we still take it so light if in a couple of years the USD fell against the PHP and all of a sudden the freely given $5-$10 turned to a demanded $10-$20?

Mr Enternational
06-06-11, 00:26
I'll second that been to Pattaya latelyI live in Pattaya and the only time I can remember being asked for a tip by any Thai person was by the cleaning ladies in a hotel in Bangkok. And at the time they were gathered together eating lunch and only said it in a joking manner. So in my experience Thais really do not expect tips, however since many foreigners don't mind handing out money to make themselves feel good it does not hurt to ask.

By the same token I have never been asked for a tip by a service provider or anyone in PI for that matter.

WestCoast1
06-06-11, 06:16
I also try to take a picture of the gal (regular photo and nothing nude) and tell them I could post it for my friends as to the bar involve and gal involve in the scam.

SharkI think I mentioned it here once. We should post pics of runners or starfish from the AC bars. I photograph not only the girls, but also their I'd (whether she's a barfine or FL). Quite possibly one of the reason I've had less than a handful of runners in all my time is that I have naked pics of the girl, and pics of the front / back of her I'd. I don't take girls who have not agreed to pics in advance or don't have an I'd. It never dawned on me to tell the girl I might post her pic if she ran.

Irony Monger
06-06-11, 06:47
I think I mentioned it here once. We should post pics of runners or starfish from the AC bars. I photograph not only the girls, but also their I'd (whether she's a barfine or FL). Quite possibly one of the reason I've had less than a handful of runners in all my time is that I have naked pics of the girl, and pics of the front / back of her I'd. I don't take girls who have not agreed to pics in advance or don't have an I'd. It never dawned on me to tell the girl I might post her pic if she ran.I like this policy. I have had only had a couple starfish or runners, as I am essentially a decent guy and not excessively ugly or overweight (a catch as far as these girls are concerned) , but I do not usually talk about pics and IDs up front, and I think doing so may give me more pics to share and help weed out the rare runner. I do regularly ask about staying all night, so if someone bolts after I snap a pic of their I'd I should at least have some ammo to present to the bar. I will also ask potential BFs to sign a model release form for any nude pics just to cover my ass as I heard it is now a big issue to photograph fillipinas naked without consent.

FreebieFan
06-06-11, 12:29
By the same token I have never been asked for a tip by a service provider or anyone in PI for that matter.Knowing that you sometimes post in Phils, leads me to assume that you must have spent a certain amount of time in Phils. I'm truly suprrised that you have never encountered the " tip please" request from anyone in Phils.

I've had it from taxi drivers, bellmen, doorman, girls in bar (natch!) , car cleaners.

Fortunately I've never had it from the guys thats pump gas, have had it from male golf caddies but not female, and once in the fabulous, state of the art Manila airport (yeah the one thats older than me!) had the "tip please" request from a tollet attendant as he handed me a towel.

These requests just fly right over my head. Sometimes I respond but most of the time I suddenly become quite blind and deaf.

Amjeck
06-06-11, 16:48
In my experience Thais frequently ask for tips and usually the ones who least deserve one.From what venues? Are you seasoned or a newbie? Do you speak Thai?

Amjeck
06-06-11, 16:51
To Socker,

The price in AC have been triple since 1998 and likey go double again the next 10 yr but it will still be much cheaper than in the US so just have fun.

Fast Eddie 48What does the USA have to do with anything? It's hardly a benchmark for any kind of prostitution.

Sammon
06-06-11, 17:13
I think I mentioned it here once. We should post pics of runners or starfish from the AC bars. I photograph not only the girls, but also their I'd (whether she's a barfine or FL). Quite possibly one of the reason I've had less than a handful of runners in all my time is that I have naked pics of the girl, and pics of the front / back of her I'd. I don't take girls who have not agreed to pics in advance or don't have an I'd. It never dawned on me to tell the girl I might post her pic if she ran.It is not a good idea to post pictures of these girls identifying as runners or non-performers. How would you like it if your picture is published as cheap, nasty, arrogant etc.

These girls desrve the respect for the situation they are in.

In prostituition it is the nature of the business to make money with least bit of damage to the body and soul of the providers. Having said this there are plenty of good service providers in AC. Many know what is expected of them and provide it. I am sure all the mongers have gotten atleast one time sex from their barfine whether mind blowing or not. Depending on the chemistry and friendship on the parties the sex will be good or just mechanical. You cannot say just because you barfine the girl the girl has to be your slave for the whole night and perform. Girls also have their personalities. Sometimes they are horny and perform very well. One of my barfines had sex with me continiously three or four times in the course of three hours and again in the morning.

As for runners I would gladly let them leave because the chemistry is not there.

Irony Monger
06-06-11, 18:53
It is not a good idea to post pictures of these girls identifying as runners or non-performers.How is this different from any other report? Are you saying we should post no pictures at all, or only pics with positive reviews?

Just Seven
06-06-11, 19:10
TO anyone that was around AC this past weekend and happened to be at the Old Blue Nile on Saturday night.

Sorry about my friends! They had a fucking great time but sorta screwed over anyone else trying to have fun there! If any of you were there, I would love to hear what you have to say about them :P.

As for the ever ongoing pricing debate.

The lowest of the low BBS girl near Guangzhou is 200 RMB. Thats for one pop or 40 minutes, whichever happens first. Thats 1100 pesos. At a KTV in Changping, the minumum to get one pop will be 500RMB JUST for the girl. Thats 2500+ pesos. To keep a girl over night will be minimum 900RMB just to the girl. Thats 4500+ pesos. The most expensive girl I saw in AC was 3500 + a drink.

Sorry to everyone else but my mentality on this matter has changed entirely. Compared to what I have been paying for a girl at a KTV, I can barfine a girl. A normal night at a KTV costs me about 2000RMB. If the girl rocks my world. Giving her a 2000 peso tip per day and having her be exctatic when I walk back into her bar is well worth it.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back.

WestCoast1
06-06-11, 20:28
It is not a good idea to post pictures of these girls identifying as runners or non-performers. How would you like it if your picture is published as cheap, nasty, arrogant etc.

These girls desrve the respect for the situation they are in.

As for runners I would gladly let them leave because the chemistry is not there. I don't let chemistry get in the way. A girl agrees in the bar to stay until 10am, have breakfast, and perform all I want is simply being doubly-rewarded when the customer does not complain to the bar that she ran early. In fact, her boss will think she completed the job to the customer's satisfaction, while she has done half the job, gotten full pay, and fooled her boss. But, that's just me.

Mr Enternational
06-06-11, 21:44
I will also ask potential BFs to sign a model release form for any nude pics just to cover my ass as I heard it is now a big issue to photograph fillipinas naked without consent.If they are posing and cheesing for the camera that should be consent enough. And what if it was a girlfriend or a wife?

Mr Enternational
06-06-11, 21:47
Knowing that you sometimes post in Phils, leads me to assume that you must have spent a certain amount of time in Phils. I'm truly suprrised that you have never encountered the " tip please" request from anyone in Phils.

These requests just fly right over my head. Sometimes I respond but most of the time I suddenly become quite blind and deaf. Maybe that is why I haven't heard it because just like you if they ever brought it up it would just go in one ear and out the other. LOL.

Mr Enternational
06-06-11, 22:01
As for the ever ongoing pricing debate.

The lowest of the low BBS girl near Guangzhou is 200 RMB. Thats for one pop or 40 minutes, whichever happens first. Thats 1100 pesos. At a KTV in Changping, the minumum to get one pop will be 500RMB JUST for the girl. Thats 2500+ pesos. To keep a girl over night will be minimum 900RMB just to the girl. Thats 4500+ pesos. The most expensive girl I saw in AC was 3500 + a drink.

Sorry to everyone else but my mentality on this matter has changed entirely. Compared to what I have been paying for a girl at a KTV, I can barfine a girl. A normal night at a KTV costs me about 2000RMB. If the girl rocks my world. Giving her a 2000 peso tip per day and having her be exctatic when I walk back into her bar is well worth it.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back. It's not a competition. The whole point is that you don't compare prices on a local market with what you are used to paying back home. If the cost was less in Guangzhou and you went to PI and had to pay more, would you return to Guangzhou and pay PI prices? If a Big Mac costs you $1 at home then you get to PI and a Big Mac is only 50 cents do you insist on giving them 75 cents because it would have been $1 back home? Part of the purpose of going to these places to monger is because the price is much cheaper when compared to back home. I don't think many mongers would waste time and money paying for a ticket and hotel to monger in PI if the girls were going to cost them the same 200 euro / hour as back home.

P.S. The girl is not ecstatic over you walking back into the bar again. She is ecstatic because her walking ATM sucker hopefully is not yet out of money and is back to bestow more blessings again. Show up without money and see how happy they really are about you being there.

Golfinho
06-06-11, 22:09
If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back.Appreciate seeing the issue put in proper perspective. Good one.

Mr Enternational
06-06-11, 22:19
It is not a good idea to post pictures of these girls identifying as runners or non-performers. How would you like it if your picture is published as cheap, nasty, arrogant etc.

These girls desrve the respect for the situation they are in.

As for runners I would gladly let them leave because the chemistry is not there. I'm not concerned with the situation they are in, the medicine they need to buy for sick grandma, or the milk they need for the baby. I am a customer. As far as I am concerned they signed up for a job, they know what the job entails, and they are getting full pay for the job. So I expect the job to be performed satisfactorily. If a guy shows up to cut my yard and only cut half the yard because it is 100 degrees outside I am not going to chalk it up to chemistry. Before he went into the lawn business he knew that some days he was going to have to work in 100 degree weather. So I am going to betch and complain and want my damn money back if he tries some bullshit.

Sammon
06-06-11, 23:29
How is this different from any other report? Are you saying we should post no pictures at all, or only pics with positive reviews?I am not against posting pictures. In fact I have done many.

What I am against is making a thread for the girls solely to avoid with their pictures.

I have read some posters now and then posting pictures of girls who have not given them good service or runners etc. It is only their individual experience.

As to what experiences go it could be vary with different people with the same girl.

But to make a list with pictures is bad IMHO.

Sharka
06-07-11, 00:08
TO anyone that was around AC this past weekend and happened to be at the Old Blue Nile on Saturday night.

Sorry about my friends! They had a fucking great time but sorta screwed over anyone else trying to have fun there! If any of you were there, I would love to hear what you have to say about them :P.

As for the ever ongoing pricing debate.

The lowest of the low BBS girl near Guangzhou is 200 RMB. Thats for one pop or 40 minutes, whichever happens first. Thats 1100 pesos. At a KTV in Changping, the minumum to get one pop will be 500RMB JUST for the girl. Thats 2500+ pesos. To keep a girl over night will be minimum 900RMB just to the girl. Thats 4500+ pesos. The most expensive girl I saw in AC was 3500 + a drink.

Sorry to everyone else but my mentality on this matter has changed entirely. Compared to what I have been paying for a girl at a KTV, I can barfine a girl. A normal night at a KTV costs me about 2000RMB. If the girl rocks my world. Giving her a 2000 peso tip per day and having her be exctatic when I walk back into her bar is well worth it.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back. Can't make comparisons based on 2 different locations. The reason I visit AC is to get away from all the super high prices at home. Even a 90min out of town drive away from my home city to visit a cheap brothel cost $50 a pop (40mins max). An escort at home will cost anywhere from $300-500 a nite + a "nice tip"). When I'm home and expect to pay these prices, so be it or wank off by myself. When in China, I pay Chinese prices, so be it, or wank off by myself. When in AC, I ONLY pay AC prices and NOT get too generous thinking just because its cheaper here I should tip them alot more because I usually pay more elsewhere. Remember guys, my very good providing gals are very happy with a 200peso-250p tip (if service below normal=no tips, average or above =100p trike money, and very good service=200-250p=, so depend on service) Why?-she knows its more than what an average worker makes all day working a 10hr job and all she had to do was sleep on a very comfortable bed all nite in an A / c room with TV and hot shower. And how do I know they are satisfy with the tips given. NEVER had a complaint (except for a few losers that didn't perform and still expect a fat tip????), in fact I often get a hug and kiss at the door and wish me to come back to the bar and BF her again.

Trust me, they know what the tips should be (if any) and I heard many times while at a bar listening to them brag about how someone was stupid enough and gave so big a tip and now that sets up everyone to expect more tips from us regardless of service-

Shark

Sharka
06-07-11, 00:26
I am not against posting pictures. In fact I have done many.

As to what experiences go it could be vary with different people with the same girl.

But to make a list with pictures is bad IMHO. True, experiences will vary but I have found that a runner will almost always do this often on others. I've read some had used names of the gals and bar but as names are common even within a single bar (I once met 4 Marys in one bar) it just helps to Identify the potential duds.

Like I said in my post. I "could" post the name and pic of the gal involve but its more to bring to their attention I don't tolerate the behavior. And also its to protect anyone cumming after me as she will think twice before pulling this scam again. Listen, I'm fine if she had been honest and said will only do ST and not lie about it. If I like her enough then ST for maybe 4-5hrs is fine but don't ruin it by pulling a fast one.

We often post and comment on the ones that were "hot" and perform well, so whats wrong with the other side of the coin-Whats the old saying,"Can't have the Good without the Bad"-IMO.

Shark

Amjeck
06-07-11, 00:47
Giving her a 2000 peso tip per day and having her be exctatic when I walk back into her bar is well worth it.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back. Unfortunatley, these types of guys are are not uncommon in AC these days. The collective spending habits of your types have already affected the whole scene in AC and other spots in Asia. Girls are more spoiled and way more bitchy than ever. This is because of guys like you. Overpaying and spoiling women never does any good, yet weak men love to hand over their power to women all the time. I'll never understand it.

FurryFriend
06-07-11, 01:05
They simply don't care if you are a tipper of not. She already made up her mind to "run" as soon as you BF her.There's no way you can possibly know that. If you want to be honest, you'd admit you pulled that insight from thin air to discourage tipping.

Did you get that insight from the girls? Firstly, girls generally aren't sharing their running strategies with patrons -- if they'd even admit to being a runner to begin with. In the off-chance she'd admit to being a runner, she's probably just trying to impress you ("I run on other guys, but not with you").

Methinks it's safe to say, never take what the girls say on Fields seriously.

Bottom line is, money is what drives Fields. The girls aren't here to meet nice guys. They can do that in church. No girl chooses to give blowjob for money unless she has few options. So to say "money and tipping doesn't matter" is ludicrous and flies in the face of logic.

If a girl thinks she can earn more spending the night with you than returning to the bar, that's what she'll do. If you're a savvy consumer, you'll incentivize her to perform.


I think I mentioned it here once. We should post pics of runners or starfish from the AC bars.

This is a really embarassing post, man.

Are you really going to such extremes, possibly violating Philippine privacy laws, because a prostitute spited you?What would you do if bars started to post photos of Cheap Charlies?

By the way, do you really want to increase the likelihood someone will seriously kick your ass, whether it's the girl's boyfriend or the bar's bodyguards. I think you're overestimating the civility of Filipinos who work in this rough business.

Your post is exactly the reason why Angeles City MUST have a stronger tipping culture. Whenever a guy pays first, he surrenders a lot of his ability to encourage service. This is especially true in today's Angeles City where more guys from Asia are throwing cash around like Monopoly money. The girls will only develop a stronger tipping mindset in the years to come.

Many girls and bars now cater to Koreans because they tip big. So the corolation between spending and service is direct and emphatic. Australians are known not to tip. Last time I checked, there are no bars or girls catering to the Aussies.

FurryFriend
06-07-11, 01:20
This is because of guys like you. Overpaying and spoiling women never does any good, yet weak men love to hand over their power to women all the time. I'll never understand it.Maybe they're not overpaying. Maybe you're underpaying.

The "going rate" for girls is determined by market forces. It's impossible for a few guys to screw the market. If mobs of people are willing to pay more (and the supply of girls remain constant) , market forces will produce a higher "going rate". Not rocket science.

So if you're complaining, that means you're being driven from the marketplace because you cannot compete with other patrons. In a way, that means you're the one who's "weak".

By the way, how come its OK for you to want lower prices but it's not OK for the girls to want higher prices? Are you the only one allowed to act in self-interest?

Just Seven
06-07-11, 01:43
P.S. The girl is not ecstatic over you walking back into the bar again. She is ecstatic because her walking ATM sucker hopefully is not yet out of money and is back to bestow more blessings again. Show up without money and see how happy they really are about you being there.Except they are one and the same. Why would I show up without money? Because the girls love me? Hahaha.

If you want love, buy a dog. If you want a great fuck, buy a filipina.

Again, if they do not provide services promised or their effort is shit or attitude is shit. I do not tip. If they run. I do not tip. If they perform great, I take them shopping and I make sure they leave happy. In the bar, giving the girl 500 pesos so she can make it rain on her friends is 12. 50. Less than a DRINK where I live.

If after keeping the same girl for three days you believe you should just be giving her barfine go ahead. I won't be. I do not feel the NEED to tip. I want to reward her great service.

Everyone wants something different. Some guys enjoy the cheap seediness of a cheap fuck and giving as little money as possible for it. Others enjoy buying women and treating them like meat. Others enjoy demonstrating their spending power by throwing their money around.

To say that I tip girls because I feel insecure is laughable. It sucks for the local expats that earn shit money and have budgeted their mongering that feel that they cannot compete with Asian guys (though I am not asian) (if you don't think its a competition, you arent competing) on spending habits. Sorry, I don't live here. I come, I want the girl I want and I want to buy her food and have her dote on me while I am there. Once I leave she can fuck everyone for free. Like I care. When I come back, I want her to run off the stage and come give me a hug and sit down and repeat the process all over again. (except for my current squeeze, I fucking love watching her dance) I have to figure out some method to let her dance while making sure others cannot ladydrink barfine. Guess I will let her know the pricing scheme for that setup.

How stupid I must be that I am going to pay a girl to dance. :P

FurryFriend
06-07-11, 02:00
To say that I tip girls because I feel insecure is laughable. It sucks for the local expats that earn shit money and have budgeted their mongering that feel that they cannot compete with Asian guys

Most local expats are nice. But I'm not curtailing my spending just to avoid making them look like Cheap Charlies.

Funny how low-spending expats complain about overpaying. But they're drinking in places where local Filipino men cannot afford. So it's OK for expats to outspend local Filipino men, but it's suddenly not OK when they get outspent by Koreans.

"Overpaying" is a relative term. It's used when they cannot afford what others can. I guess it all depends on where in the food chain you're in.

I'm actually happy at higher prices and more tipping (just not TOO high). Higher prices will encourage more girls into the business. Who can complain about more choices? And if they develop the mindset that good service will be rewarded with a big fat tip, hey, I love that too.

No matter how high prices will go though, there will likely be mongering for all price levels. So there's nothing for expats to worry about.

Just Seven
06-07-11, 02:41
the cycle continues. next people will complain about the cost of bar fines. when i see the girl i want, the only reason i ask about the barfine is so that i can withdraw the correct amount of money out of my pocket.

however, my mentality is a bit different. when i see something i want. i want it. if i cannot get it, i work on getting it. i am not the fox looking at grapes telling myself they are bad. however, there have been many a night that i returned to my hotel alone after not finding what i was looking for.

if you don't want to tip. don't. i am sure you have a compelling reason not to tip. i posted the reason why i tip. i still do not tip for bad performance. that is something i do not understand. once the agreed upon terms have been met. the barfine is earned. if she goes above and beyond the agreed upon terms that is service i tip for. do i have to? no. do i need to? no. can i? yes.

Chocha Monger
06-07-11, 02:49
Amjeck,

You summed it up quite nicely. Western men are either the most confused or most idiotic men on the planet. In their home countries they spoil their women by licking their asses, being ass clowns for their amusement, and spending ridiculous amounts of money in vain attempts to buy their favors. They then complain to no end about the shitty treatment they get from their women and the lack of pussy access. These same guys then visit Asia or Latin America where they discover a veritable pussy paradise. Then they immediately go to work fucking up that paradise by shitting in the pristine pussy spring with their wallets and other weak ass behavior. Soon they destroy the wonderful environment the local men created. The idiots move on to other locations like a swarm of horny brainless locusts to fuck up the scene. Anyone having doubts about this can look at the negative effects guys like this have had on once flourishing beaver markets within easy reach of North America and Western Europe. At least Aussies have had the good sense not to fuck up nearby areas by tipping ridiculous amounts. Only pimps / bar owners stand to gain from this foolish behavior. Remember the pussy doesn't want or need you if it's not poor and needy. When you throw away your money, let bad service slide and get fleeced just remember you've just created a new standard of service. Only a complete moron would believe getting fleeced and paying extra for the privilege actually leads to better service. Filipinos are known for taking as much advantage as you let them. Once you are identified as being a fool with your money the word will get around and soon everyone in town will be lined up to take a crack at your asshole.

Pinga 98
06-07-11, 04:21
As for the ever ongoing pricing debate.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back. I admire your modesty. But what I really respect about you is your knowledge of economics. Not a 'prisoner's dilemma'? May be you should look up what this term really means. This is exactly prisoner's dilemma. Suppose we are after the same, beautiful girl. If we both are reasonable and pay less, we win. Even if we are equally likely to get the girl, our expected payoff is high because we got the bang for the little buck. But suppose each of us believes that we 'can't get the yesterday back' and hence should overpay. Then, if you pay high and I pay low, the girl goes to you, everything else being equal. Similarly, if I pay high and you pay low, the girl comes to me. Knowing this, we will both try to pay high and the girl will choose one of us. The girl gains. Our expected pay-off is less, because no matter who the girl went to, there was same bang for more buck (relatively speaking). This is Game Theory 101. Overpaying is bad, mainly because, contrary to your illusion, there are other punters in the market with equally deep pocket. This has the net effect of pushing the price up without any proportional gain in our satisfaction.


However, my mentality is a bit different. When I see something I want. I want it.You are Just Seven, no kidding.

Frenzy3
06-07-11, 05:08
Only a complete moron would believe getting fleeced and paying extra for the privilege actually leads to better service. Filipinos are known for taking as much advantage as you let them. Once you are identified as being a fool with your money the word will get around and soon everyone in town will be lined up to take a crack at your asshole.To right I thing australians grew up knowing how asia works we live next door to them, I often see other men who get a pina only to see that they gave away everything because they did not say no, they did not get ripped off they gave it away, not all girls are like that but the ones that are are looking for their next john.

FreebieFan
06-07-11, 05:43
[QUOTE=FurryFriend; Many girls and bars now cater to Koreans because they tip big. So the corolation between spending and service is direct and emphatic. Australians are known not to tip. Last time I checked, there are no bars or girls catering to the Aussies.[/QUOTE]Think a little longer about why the Koreans tip. Is is out of pleasure or born out of necessity. As we all know, Koreans are known to be voilent with their babes, to be impolite and to generaly behave in an unpleasant manner with their girls. Ask a bar girl what her preference for nationality is and it sure as heck isn't Korean.

So the Koreans know to get what they want, they need to tip. Other nationalites who lack the voilent streak have less need to tip.

Having been on this board for past several years, this subject comes up once a quarter. Expect a repeat of it in Autumn.

FurryFriend
06-07-11, 07:19
Think a little longer about why the Koreans tip. Is is out of pleasure or born out of necessity. As we all know, Koreans are known to be voilent with their babes, to be impolite and to generaly behave in an unpleasant manner with their girls. Ask a bar girl what her preference for nationality is and it sure as heck isn't Korean.First of all, what bargirls say about Koreans need to be taken with a grain of salt. When they're around Koreans, they're probably telling them how much they hate cheap-o, ugly old fat white guys. Rule #1 on Fields. Do not trust what bargirls say, especially when they're selling themselves to you.

By the way, the Japanese tip heavily too. And most people on Fields (bar girls, waitress, other patrons, etc) will tell you that the Japanese are the politest. So your argument about how rude people need to tip more flies right out the window.

There is zilch corollation between rudeness and tipping. However, there is a direct corollation between tipping and personal wealth. South Korea is a wealthy country, its currency isn't a piece of shit, and Koreans pay far less than white tourists to fly direct from Seoul. All these factors allow them to spend more.

Funny how many people think Koreans are violent and impolite, but never experienced it for himself. On Fields, I've never seen Korean guys confront other people and being a menace.

I think I have a special insight on Koreans being Asian and growing up in Los Angeles. Yes, Koreans are a bit abrupt. But "violent"? Give me a break. If they're so violent, they'd be frequently arrested. I bet white guys get arrested in Angeles City for unruly behavior far more often than Koreans.

Amjeck
06-07-11, 07:24
Maybe they're not overpaying. Maybe you're underpaying.

So if you're complaining, that means you're being driven from the marketplace because you cannot compete with other patrons. In a way, that means you're the one who's "weak". I'm not complaining nor am I driven out from the market place. I'm simply pointing out a truism. Men who hand over their power to women, especially asian women, are WEAK. I'll say it again, if you readily overpay and hand out generous tips then you are a weak monger. AC is full of weak mongers these days. A pathetic bunch really!

WestCoast1
06-07-11, 07:29
I've had runners and let me tell you flat out. They simply don't care if you are a tipper of not. She already made up her mind to "run" as soon as you BF her.There's no way you can possibly know that. If you want to be honest, you'd admit you pulled that insight from thin air to discourage tipping.Going to have to agree with Shark on that. The girl is unaware until she departs in the morning (be it 6am or 9am or whenever) whether or not she's going to get a tip (nobody's dumb enough to tell the girl, before departing the bar, she's getting a tip the next day). If she runs at say. 4am, while the customer is asleep, she's simply ignoring a possible tip. Therefore, she knew before you dozed off that she was going to run.

BTW, some girls do run back to the bar, some run home (the bar is closed when the girl sneaks out, and some bars don't condone running). For those that don't return to the bar (whatever reason) , she is ignoring a possible tip in the morning for. . . Nothing.


Bottom line is, money is what drives Fields. The girls aren't here to meet nice guys. They can do that in church. No girl chooses to give blowjob for money unless she has few options. So to say "money and tipping doesn't matter" is ludicrous and flies in the face of logic.In your mind. Sometimes money DOESN'T matter (usually it does). When a dancer gets no barfine, then txts and comes to my room at 1:15am after her shift, for a night (and morning) of whoopie, for no money, then repeats a few nights later, what's the catch there? No money changed hands. Well, she got breakfast.


If a girl thinks she can earn more spending the night with you than returning to the bar, that's what she'll do. If you're a savvy consumer, you'll incentivize her to perform.Not necessarily. Returning to the bar may not make her more money (she might not get a barfine, or LD, and worse she has to dance for several hours and go home to no aircon). On the other hand, staying with the customer gets her aircon and a possible tip. I can't make this case for sure, and Furry can't make the opposite case for sure. Two psychologies. True, Furry could make the case that if she knew there was no tip in the morning (ala me) , she would have more incentive to run back to the bar for another possible barfine. On the other hand, I would make the case that if she knew I would post her picture online for doing that, then she might be more likely to stay put and be happy with her share of the barfine in the morning.





I think I mentioned it here once. We should post pics of runners or starfish from the AC bars.This is a really embarassing post, man.Based on the responses, there are two varied opinions, yes? Yours, and mine. I'm not sure one is more embarrassing than the other.


Are you really going to such extremes, possibly violating Philippine privacy laws, because a prostitute spited you? What would you do if bars started to post photos of Cheap Charlies?I didn't agree to having my picture taken in a bar. The girls on the other hand, did agree to have their pics taken, and they agree in advance to let me do anything I want with the pics.


By the way, do you really want to increase the likelihood someone will seriously kick your ass, whether it's the girl's boyfriend or the bar's bodyguards. I think you're overestimating the civility of Filipinos who work in this rough business.Yawn.


Your post is exactly the reason why Angeles City MUST have a stronger tipping culture. Whenever a guy pays first, he surrenders a lot of his ability to encourage service. This is especially true in today's Angeles City where more guys from Asia are throwing cash around like Monopoly money. The girls will only develop a stronger tipping mindset in the years to come.I'll stand by my record. 4 runners in almost adecade (3 in AC, two of which the bar returned; one in cebu). Somethings keeping them there in the hotel. And I don't tip (well, p50 for taxi). Are you compensating for something (or lack thereof) with cash?


Many girls and bars now cater to Koreans because they tip big. So the corolation between spending and service is direct and emphatic. Australians are known not to tip. Last time I checked, there are no bars or girls catering to the Aussies.Try the converse logic: if we all stopped tipping, we wouldn't have this discussion. Hey you aussies don't tip? Cheap bastards, neither do I!

FurryFriend
06-07-11, 07:47
I'll stand by my record. 4 runners in almost adecade (3 in AC, two of which the bar returned; one in cebu). Somethings keeping them there in the hotel. And I don't tip (well, p50 for taxi). Are you compensating for something (or lack thereof) with cash?If running isn't a problem, why go to the extremes of posting photos? Thankfully, most people know your idea is preposterous. I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for others to heed your call.

The truth is, running is still fairly rare. Your record is hardly impressive. The real issue is performance.

Tipping is not compensation for something lacking. It's a cultural practice. Most Americans tip a hairdresser, waitress or bellboy. By your weak logic, does this mean they are compensating for something at a salon, restaurant or hotel?

Look...nobody knows what goes on when Korean patrons take a girl out of a bar. Anything we say is pure speculation. Here is NOT speculation. More and more bars and girls are catering to Korean patrons. Either the girls have suddenly acquired Korean-fever...or Korean spending habits really does make a difference.

Bottom line is, people are going to spend whatever they want to spend. Big deal. It's a sad state of affairs when one group obsesses over the financial activities of another. Koreans don't sit around posting messages about you being a pathetic cheapo in Angeles City. So why worry about what they do? I already know the answer. And let's be really honest here. Most hatred is really just jealousy in disguise. If you and a Korean guy enters Dollhouse at the same time, I have zero doubt who will get seated first.

Just Seven
06-07-11, 08:21
Lots of Koreans also happen to work in Clark. Lots of Koreans live in Clark. Why wouldn't they have bars catered to them? Just like there are foreign bars in China where the majority of the people speak english. Alas, thats neither here nor there. Now if you could show me that the korean bars have prettier girls have higher barfines and higher expected tips and all this other stuff you associate with the nationality of someone, I would be very interested to see these things.

Correlation does not prove causality.

As for the prisoners dilemma, you are basing this off the assumption that our fates are tied together and that you and I are p (l) aying for the same girl. You are also assuming that tipping habits will drive market prices upwards.

Does what I tip make the bar fine go up? Until you can show me that tipping makes the bar fine go up. I really won't have much more to say about market economics.

I enjoyed walking into one of the megabars and having my favorite girl leave the guy who currently bought her a ladydrink to come over and say Hi to me. Thats why I tip. My friend enjoyed having one of the bell boys from the hotel find him chewing tobacco buying it for him and bringing it back to the hotel all while my friend was sitting at the pool. The bellboy was astonished for the 500p tip. My friend was astonished the bellboy actually did all this without the mention of tip. (though he may have shilled the price a bit just to make sure he got something out of it, who knows, who cares.)

I live in a culture where you do not tip. When I cut my KTV girls loose, they don't ask for tip. I give them 20RMB for taxi. If they are from the hotel, they do not get a tip. If I build a relationship and the girl goes above and beyond the expected level of service, I may invite her out for food or buying some clothes that I enjoy to see her in. Flat money? No thanks.

In the PI, they ask for a tip. Why do they ask for a tip? Who knows, that damage is already done. Do local guys tip? No. Do local guys pay to fuck? No. Do BFBF (big fat balding foreigners) pay to fuck? Yes. Do those some BFBFs tip? Some of them do.

If you think tipping someone for service above and beyond is a sign of weakness or giving up power. You my friend (I guess I should use that term very loosely) need to get your head checked. I will agree with you that tipping for BAD service is one of the worst things you can do (even then, Japanese culture believes that you tip someone if the service is poor as a sign of disrespect)

At the end of the day, it doesn't affect me. If I see some guy splashing cash and having a good time, I will probably go over and join him. Just because you choose not to because you are the last bastion of economics holding back the tide of girls turning down barfines because they don't think you are a big tipper. Thats fine. You hold up the dyke while I take out my young spinner.

As another aside, another ISGer from the China threads had almost every girl turn him down for a barfine. So many girls were on the mens you woulda thought a new ocean of blood formed outside the ABC hotel! Build rapport, remember these are real people not pieces of meat at an auction house. Sure you want to make sure they will do what you need to get done. But apart from: whats your name, are you a cherry girl, are you available to go out, are you ok with staying until 10am, buy the girl a drink and get into your nastier desires of eating whipped cream and tunafish out of her chocolate starfish while she gives you a rusty trombone in your clown costume until after she is sitting with you and having a good time.

Dex Xie
06-07-11, 09:08
I'm not complaining nor am I driven out from the market place. I'm simply pointing out a truism. Men who hand over their power to women, especially asian women, are WEAK. I'll say it again, if you readily overpay and hand out generous tips then you are a weak monger. AC is full of weak mongers these days. A pathetic bunch really!Some of us work stateside and have only a precious few weeks of vacation (of which, I assure you, cannot all be used for this endeavor). I have no problem with "overpaying" (but I will not go over the top and look like an idiot with more money than sense) if it means I can get higher quality service and / or person. It is pointless for folks in my position to cut corners because we already pay a fixed amount for airfare and a decent hotel (3*+) for 2 weeks.

Unless you want to arrange my itinerary while I'm in the PI and provide (what I deem are) 8/9's, I will gladly pay you for the effort so you can take advantage of my overpaying.

Red Kilt
06-07-11, 09:23
. . . . . . <SNIP

By the way, how come its OK for you to want lower prices but it's not OK for the girls to want higher prices? Are you the only one allowed to act in self-interest? I think this quotation lifted from Furry's post strikes a chord with me.

In my status as a supporter of a free market in a free world I think he asks a valid question. The term "want" is significant; what we "want" and what we "get" is sometimes (often?) different.

Crazy4Thai
06-07-11, 14:45
From what venues? Are you seasoned or a newbie? Do you speak Thai?The first venue that comes to mind is a soapy but I don't believe it's limited to that. I thought the topic was Thailand vs Phils not venues. Not that who I am has anything to do with it but I've lived in Thailand for 5 years and I speak enough Thai to get by. I simply said I had a different experience than you. Thai girls asking for tips. It doesn't make you wrong does it?

The way I see it providers are providers. Pick a topic and some will and some won't no matter what country.

Ekspat
06-07-11, 14:54
If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back.Fully supported. Me in Makati today, AC on Thursday!

Cheers!

Sammon
06-07-11, 16:37
Lots of Koreans also happen to work in Clark. Lots of Koreans live in Clark. Why wouldn't they have bars catered to them?

As for the prisoners dilemma, you are basing this off the assumption that our fates are tied together and that you and I are p (l) aying for the same girl. You are also assuming that tipping habits will drive market prices upwards.

Does what I tip make the bar fine go up? Until you can show me that tipping makes the bar fine go up. I really won't have much more to say about market economics.

I enjoyed walking into one of the megabars and having my favorite girl leave the guy who currently bought her a ladydrink to come over and say Hi to me. Thats why I tip. My friend enjoyed having one of the bell boys from the hotel find him chewing tobacco buying it for him and bringing it back to the hotel all while my friend was sitting at the pool. The bellboy was astonished for the 500p tip. My friend was astonished the bellboy actually did all this without the mention of tip. (though he may have shilled the price a bit just to make sure he got something out of it, who knows, who cares.)

I live in a culture where you do not tip. When I cut my KTV girls loose, they don't ask for tip. I give them 20RMB for taxi. If they are from the hotel, they do not get a tip. If I build a relationship and the girl goes above and beyond the expected level of service, I may invite her out for food or buying some clothes that I enjoy to see her in. Flat money? No thanks.

In the PI, they ask for a tip. Why do they ask for a tip? Who knows, that damage is already done. Do local guys tip? No. Do local guys pay to fuck? No. Do BFBF (big fat balding foreigners) pay to fuck? Yes. Do those some BFBFs tip? Some of them do.

If you think tipping someone for service above and beyond is a sign of weakness or giving up power. You my friend (I guess I should use that term very loosely) need to get your head checked. I will agree with you that tipping for BAD service is one of the worst things you can do (even then, Japanese culture believes that you tip someone if the service is poor as a sign of disrespect)

As another aside, another ISGer from the China threads had almost every girl turn him down for a barfine. So many girls were on the mens you woulda thought a new ocean of blood formed outside the ABC hotel! Build rapport, remember these are real people not pieces of meat at an auction house. Sure you want to make sure they will do what you need to get done. But apart from: whats your name, are you a cherry girl, are you available to go out, are you ok with staying until 10am, buy the girl a drink and get into your nastier desires of eating whipped cream and tunafish out of her chocolate starfish while she gives you a rusty trombone in your clown costume until after she is sitting with you and having a good time. In Fact when I lived in China few years ago there was no expectation of tip and none gave. Even after dinner my girl would collect the changes after the bill was paid. Whenever I went for massages nobody gave me a tip reciept to fill out and sign.

Unfortunately things have changed. Now every girl massaged me expects a tip. Fortunately in Restaurents no tip was expected.

Philippines follow American culture. Tipping is expected but not demanded. Even the girls who went with me to dinner will tell me how much to leave as tip.

In AC there were some newbies who never asked for a tip. They were quite happy to be fed breakfast or brunch.

I think tipping to get attention from the girls is silly. If your ego in a bar goes up because of the attention you get as a big tipper it is simply a illusion. These girls have seen and regularly see many guys day in and day out. For them it is just a game.

Just to illustrate the point I barfined a cute girl from Las vegas and kept her for a few days. One day she had a toothache and I spent 1000 pesos for her to get dental treatment. She told this to everybody at the bar and all the ladies would talk to me and thanked me for doing a nice thing for her.

On my next trip in about 6 months I went looking for her. The mamasan told me she is with her regular (whatever it means ). The girl in spite of seeing me did not come to say Hi to me. So I barfined another cute girl with the help of the mamasan. I kept this new girl for few days. However the old girl it seems was telling this girl not to stay with me. Maybe she was hoping I will ask her since her regular BF was gone.

This clearly shows do not do anything out of the ordinary to impress or help. Just get your rocks off and leave.

It is very rare in AC when none of the thousands of girls do not want to be barfined by anybody. Ofcourse if you get your standards high it maybe a problem. Just like anything else cute, young girls can easily have their picks with who to go and who not to go with.

Just Seven
06-07-11, 17:00
Its not just tipping, but spending in general.

Do I ring the bell? No. Do I give my girl of choice a bunch of 20's to make it rain on her friends? Sure. Do I buy drinks for the mommies and waitresses I like? You betcha. Do I give the bellboy who went out to find something for me a little something for his trouble. Certainly. Do I tip the girl telling me she has stomache pains and has to leave early? Never.

Do the girls and mommies remember me? Whenever I come back I get the reaction I want. It has nothing to do with my ego. Seeing people happy makes me happy. Just like when I lived in the states when I came home and my dog was happy to see me, that made me happy. Is that an ego thing? You tell me.

Obviously we have different experiences and I am not saying what you are doing is wrong. I am not saying tip these girls. I am not saying don't tip these girls. I am saying do what makes you happy. Others seem to be getting mighty pissed off that I am doing what makes me happy because apparently I am pissing in their sandbox.

Its funny that tipping comes up all the fucking time in the PI thread but I have never seen it over in the China sections. On another monger site I see people ask about how much to tip the locker room boys in the sauna. I guess if your girl is taking 15k RMB from you for an overnight, she isn't going to ask you for a tip haha!

WestCoast1
06-07-11, 17:35
If running isn't a problem, why go to the extremes of posting photos? Thankfully, most people know your idea is preposterous. I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for others to heed your call.I'm not waiting for others to heed the call. I mentioned it as a possibility to reduce runners. Several have heeded it and said so here, in the last 24 hours (+PM's). Hence, the idea isn't any more preposterous than your idea of creating a 'tipping culture'. Each is entitled to his opinion.


The truth is, running is still fairly rare. Your record is hardly impressive. The real issue is performance.Beg to differ. There are more complaints on this board in the last year of running. Also on my last trip I chatted with multiple gents in the bars or Kokomos who complained that no woman had stayed past sunup on their current trip (for one gent, that was 16 girls). Running is not a problem?


Tipping is not compensation for something lacking. It's a cultural practice. Most Americans tip a hairdresser, waitress or bellboy. By your weak logic, does this mean they are compensating for something at a salon, restaurant or hotel?Tipping is not cultural in Philippines. Maybe where you (and I) are from it is.


Bottom line is, people are going to spend whatever they want to spend.Something we agree upon.


Koreans don't sit around posting messages about you being a pathetic cheapo in Angeles City. So why worry about what they do?If its in their blood, they going to do it. In your mind, cheap = pathetic? Listen, I can afford to give the girls several times the barfine price. I simply choose not to do that. Being a millionaire doesn't mean you need to be showering cash (just the opposite). If I was a carpenter, I'd pay the barfine+p50. If I was a movie star, I'd pay the barfine+p50.


Most hatred is really just jealousy in disguise. If you and a Korean guy enters Dollhouse at the same time, I have zero doubt who will get seated first.I'm not sure where you came up with hatred / jealousy. Mostly its a complaint. BTW, that would bother someone? Not getting seated first, being beaten out by a whale? I could care less. Whales in Vegas get the big-table seat before me also, but I'm not concerned with that. I'm more concerned with the idea of tipping in general. If FF is paying p1500+1000tip, and I'm paying p1500+50tip, one of us is creating spoilage. This drives up prices and expectations. Simple market concept.

FF, apology. I was sarcastic before. In tipping, just we're going to disagree. Regarding posting the runners, I find this argument interesting from a different standpoint. There are guys here who post full facial shots of the girls. Usually I hide the girls face. Why would my posting a full-facial of a runner be so bad? All opinions welcome.

Just Seven
06-07-11, 18:19
WC: as for posting pictures of runners.

If you have permission for them to take the picture, I would have no qualms about it. They agree to it. I am sure many many girls know about ISG and the internet. I have even seen some mongers with ISG up at Kokomos on their laptops with girls over their shoulder.

There is no real recourse for a runner. You can go back to the bar if its still open. You can post her picture for all to see on the outside of her bar as a warning. You can talk to the manager. All of which just wastes your time.

I have been thinking alot about what people want from their girls when they barfine them. Some just want to fuck as much as possible, others want a girlfriend, others want who knows what.

I do look towards the more experienced guys on a more personal matter. I have never gotten jealous of a girlfriend before. On my latest PI trip, I actually got jealous of one of my preferred girls getting barfined by another guy. (I had no intention of barfining her again that night, but I still didn't like someone else barfining her.)

How do I train myself to have that feeling go away? Along with that, as previously stated, when I see something I want, I work stubbornly till I get it. How do I train to either make myself want other things or to let stuff like that go?

My older friends said my mentality will change when I get married and have kids. Well I am here now, how do I get the next mentality without the kids and the wife?

SergeantRay
06-07-11, 18:26
I think a runner, who is really just a thief, has no right to privacy.

If women knew that they would be outed as runners, which would affect their ability to earn money (especially by an easy scam) , then they would have to act differently.

Mc Don
06-07-11, 18:50
Here is one for you out there. On my last trip I was in dirty duck when a gent approached me and said the girl that I chose was a runner. At first I thought this is strange and he wanted her for himself but when she smiled at him as we were leaving I knew he was telling me the truth. So I started working on contingencies just in case as we were walking towards the hotel. After fucking her few times around midnight (I bar fined her early) I ordered pizza from room service which we shared. She had a drink from the mini fridge and then we continued fucking. Next morning, I gave her 300 peso tip and asked her about the guy. She said, he only tips 50 peso or nothing, all girls in the bar know that. She explained that she leaves very far and has service (pre arranged trike, she pays 2000 peso a month) to pick her up 4. 30 am. If the customer does not tip at least 100p she don't have money to get home. I am sure she can get home for less then the 100p but she may need to spend another 1-2 hours waiting or god knows what. Some girls that have their kids with them also pay for babysitter. I had one such case last time. This is a girl that I know and have seen her kid so she was not lying. She worked day shift and for her to stay overnight she would need to shell out 300p for babysitter. Point is if you are nice (and part of nice when mongering is to tip adequately) then they will be nice back and usually are. Very rarely do you get a b|tch that does not appreciate a nice guy. Yes some are out there, and the last two that I have encountered come from the above mentioned bar (I just love spinners and dd always has great once) but we are talking here 2% or less of all girls I have meet over ten years. What works for me is showing them that I will look after them by being nice right after the bar fine. Offer them food or drink on the way to the room (I am talking 100p here) and joke with them, make them lough which means come down to their level, be a kid for 5-10 min. Once they are comfortable then less chances of running.

Mr Enternational
06-07-11, 20:25
Along with that, as previously stated, when I see something I want, I work stubbornly till I get it. How do I train to either make myself want other things or to let stuff like that go?

My older friends said my mentality will change when I get married and have kids. Well I am here now, how do I get the next mentality without the kids and the wife? As far as we know you only live once. You better get what you want while you can and enjoy it. Letting it pass will just cause regret. Wife and kids? If it flies, floats, or fucks RENT IT!

Fast Eddie 48
06-07-11, 22:23
Here is one for you out there. On my last trip I was in dirty duck when a gent approached me and said the girl that I chose was a runner. At first I thought this is strange and he wanted her for himself but when she smiled at him as we were leaving I knew he was telling me the truth. So I started working on contingencies just in case as we were walking towards the hotel. After fucking her few times around midnight (I bar fined her early) I ordered pizza from room service which we shared. She had a drink from the mini fridge and then we continued fucking. Next morning, I gave her 300 peso tip and asked her about the guy. She said, he only tips 50 peso or nothing, all girls in the bar know that. She explained that she leaves very far and has service (pre arranged trike, she pays 2000 peso a month) to pick her up 4. 30 am. If the customer does not tip at least 100p she don't have money to get home. I am sure she can get home for less then the 100p but she may need to spend another 1-2 hours waiting or god knows what. Some girls that have their kids with them also pay for babysitter. I had one such case last time. This is a girl that I know and have seen her kid so she was not lying. She worked day shift and for her to stay overnight she would need to shell out 300p for babysitter. Point is if you are nice (and part of nice when mongering is to tip adequately) then they will be nice back and usually are. Very rarely do you get a b|tch that does not appreciate a nice guy. Yes some are out there, and the last two that I have encountered come from the above mentioned bar (I just love spinners and dd always has great once) but we are talking here 2% or less of all girls I have meet over ten years. What works for me is showing them that I will look after them by being nice right after the bar fine. Offer them food or drink on the way to the room (I am talking 100p here) and joke with them, make them lough which means come down to their level, be a kid for 5-10 min. Once they are comfortable then less chances of running.To McDon.

Nice report what the girl said is correct they don't make much money if they don't get any tip. So if the service we should tip this girl 300 peso or more, if the girl want to leave early if I like her I will promise her a tip if she stay until the morning, if you are nice to them they will stay all night we just need to treat them like human being.

Fast Eddie 48

Sharka
06-07-11, 23:20
There's no way you can possibly know that. If you want to be honest, you'd admit you pulled that insight from thin air to discourage tipping.

Did you get that insight from the girls? Firstly, girls generally aren't sharing their running strategies with patrons. If they'd even admit to being a runner to begin with. . Yes, its true that there is no way of knowing if you picked a runner or not until she actually starts running on you, so no insight needed and no need to pull anything out of the air. Its just what she will do (the actual act) that says it all regardless of all the promises made at the bar and the way she touch / talked and all the fake GFF. It just don't matter as all the indications and promises had me believing she was the one for the nite and the chemistry was right and thats the reason I was willing to BF her in the 1st place. Of course there is No way I'll BF a gal if she said to me she will run out on me or even the slightest hint she will do so. I'd save my money and pick the next gal instead. I do not have the magic touch that can instantly spot a runner, so have to rely the question/answers and overall feel --chemistry/comfortzone, or whatever people want to call it.

I never mention tipping to the gal at any time as its just automatic in the morning. If she stayed and was good then yes to a tip.

Now, if the gal plans to run and then insist I tip her to stay-in my books that gal is twice as bad as the usual runner. Afterall, who wants a runner thats also asking for a tip. Surely not from me.

Not putting my opinions and experiences up as a debate and its just : IMO

But comments and your own experiences are welcome as this could educate others.

Shark

WestCoast1
06-08-11, 00:46
WC: as for posting pictures of runners.

If you have permission for them to take the picture, I would have no qualms about it. They agree to it. They not only agree to the picture-taking, they agree to let me do what I want with the pics (including posting them on the internet).

FurryFriend
06-08-11, 02:44
With all this riveting discussion about tipping and the reasons behind it, methinks most of you have forgotten something very basic:

The vast majority of Angeles City visitors are not super-hardcore mongerers. They don't troll web forums dissecting the minutiae of Philippine culture before taking their trips. So naturally, these tourists are going to do whatever they're accustomed to back home. If they tip in their home countries, they're going to bring that practice with them. There's nothing strange, surprising or inappropriate about that.

So it's not about "compensating" or making up for one's rudeness. It's simply about doing what they're used to do. You might conjure up reasons why he's tipping when the real answer is simply: 'habit'.

Just Seven
06-08-11, 04:17
Just going to leave this here as it was posted in the Manilla thread and directly applies to the ever ongoing tipping discussion.

I mean really what else is there to talk about in AC? There is a thread for hotels, its not like any of the bars are hidden, there are no secret handshakes to get entrance, the variety of girls at any bar changes by the hour, so whats left to discuss?


Wait a minute. Demand for P4P women is INELASTIC. Meaning, changes in prices do not change demand. Dude, that is a law. Do you honestly mean that IF the going price of an AC-style barfine increases. That demand will decrease?

Nope. Oldest profession.

(Honestly, I do not see any broke-ass stunners who demand high prices. Why? F'ing demand is always going to be high for stunners, whatever the cost. Hence, INELASTIC demand. Maybe you will not buy it. But someone will) To use your example, sellers of overpriced items would not survive in your market. But your market is based upon an ELASTIC demand of goods. Demand for pussy will never change.

So here is the key factor my mongering friend. The AVERAGE price of an AC-styled barfine is based on the scarcity of resources. Of the country who hosts the market. Just look at Thailand. The Baht has grown considerably on one hand and so has the barfine. Doubly doo-doo. However, you still see ex-pats paying. But who they pay for has changed. It is those with the ways and means to follow the market trends that fuels this market growth.

So, if you really want to make an impression on the market? Buy local foods, stay at cheap mom and pop hotels, don't go shopping at the mall, don't play golf, don't go to the mega-bars and barfine / drink, etc. Doing that makes the rich, richer and brings larger investors into the market who will spend a premium for nicer venues. Er. These venues will try to recoup the investment by charging higher prices. DOESN'T THIS MAKE MORE SENSE TO EVERYONE?

Fcuk, I should write a PhD dissertation on this subject.

SuSu

Fast Eddie 48
06-08-11, 05:35
They not only agree to the picture-taking, they agree to let me do what I want with the pics (including posting them on the internet).To Westcoast

The girl want to spread themself around free advertising for them to get a new sugar daddy or a husband to bring them back to the US.

Fast Eddie 48

Fast Buck Artist
06-08-11, 06:50
What exactly is a "runner"? I guess you are not talking about Usain Bolt.

The girl has sex with you once and wants to leave right after that? They will usually ask. Can I go now? I got kid / long jeep ride / laundry / whatever to take care of. I don't know what they would do if I said no as I am usually happy to move them out and have a good sleep without someone snoring nearby.

Edward M
06-08-11, 13:47
What exactly is a "runner"? I guess you are not talking about Usain Bolt.

The girl has sex with you once and wants to leave right after that? They will usually ask. Can I go now? I got kid / long jeep ride / laundry / whatever to take care of. Yes. I would say that is the exact definition.

Sammon
06-08-11, 17:18
Yes. I would say that is the exact definition.Maybe or Maybe not. In other words I do not like you and just agreed to be barfined only because I need money.

All the other excuses are not verifiable.

These girls know very well what the job entails and if they have children adequate babysisitting arrangements have been made beforehand in case she finds a big spender.

It is always better to ask questions before you barfine like when she wants to leave, does she like sex many times, would she like to eat breakfast etc. They may lie but in AC most girls are kind of honest if posed the right questions.

Runners I had said they will stay till 7 am.

1. One girl had pre-arranged somebody call her in the middle of night saying she needs to go home for some emergency.

2. Another one had her roommate call her and said she needs the key because she lost hers.

3. Another got a call from nearby province saying her child was sick and she needs to come quick.

So in these instances whatever agreement was done in the bar is null and void.

Fortunately for me only minor percentage were runners.

Orange Crust
06-08-11, 18:01
Here is one for you out there. On my last trip I was in dirty duck when a gent approached me and said the girl that I chose was a runner. At first I thought this is strange and he wanted her for himself but when she smiled at him as we were leaving I knew he was telling me the truth. So I started working on contingencies just in case as we were walking towards the hotel. After fucking her few times around midnight (I bar fined her early) I ordered pizza from room service which we shared. She had a drink from the mini fridge and then we continued fucking. Next morning, I gave her 300 peso tip and asked her about the guy. She said, he only tips 50 peso or nothing, all girls in the bar know that. She explained that she leaves very far and has service (pre arranged trike, she pays 2000 peso a month) to pick her up 4. 30 am. If the customer does not tip at least 100p she don't have money to get home. I am sure she can get home for less then the 100p but she may need to spend another 1-2 hours waiting or god knows what. Some girls that have their kids with them also pay for babysitter. I had one such case last time. This is a girl that I know and have seen her kid so she was not lying. She worked day shift and for her to stay overnight she would need to shell out 300p for babysitter. Point is if you are nice (and part of nice when mongering is to tip adequately) then they will be nice back and usually are. Very rarely do you get a b|tch that does not appreciate a nice guy. Yes some are out there, and the last two that I have encountered come from the above mentioned bar (I just love spinners and dd always has great once) but we are talking here 2% or less of all girls I have meet over ten years. What works for me is showing them that I will look after them by being nice right after the bar fine. Offer them food or drink on the way to the room (I am talking 100p here) and joke with them, make them lough which means come down to their level, be a kid for 5-10 min. Once they are comfortable then less chances of running.Great post and I agree a 100 per cent. I never thought about all the arrangements that some of these girls make but I did know a girl who owned a street bar in BKK. Same idea, she paid someone to push her bar cart and storage cart to her night time street zone. It's wasn't a lot of money but it was a cost of doing business before even serving one drink. He'll, her sister friends worked her bar and she was on the hook for salaries even if there were few customers. Now I see a girls point that if there is only a 20p-50p tip and she will miss her prepaid ride, well it's a brainless decision really. To bad you can't show the other mongerer the light and maybe if he would deep a little deeper, he will be serviced so much better. These girls talk, I know when a friend of mine walks in a gogo with me, I always see a few of the girls whisper to each other. Vicisious circle really because do you really think he will have a good date with a girl that is already tainted by his earned or even in some cases undeserved reputation (there is always 2 sides to a story.)

Good on you for tipping fairly and good on the guy who doesn't. We all get what we deserve in the end.

Peace

Fast Buck Artist
06-08-11, 22:28
Maybe or Maybe not. In other words I do not like you and just agreed to be barfined only because I need money.Her dislike of the customer is not necessarily THE reason for early departure.

For example the last girl I have barfined in AC asked around 11pm, after we had sex, if she can leave early to take care of her 1year old kid. Couldn't wait to get rid of me? Well surprisingly 2 weeks later in Manila I get an unexpected txt message from her saying she is in town and would like to meet up and hang out with me. Didn't ask for any money.

Anyway if a bargirl doesn't like me and wants to leave, I am not bothered at all. You can't please everyone, there will always be girls of type A who like you and girls of type B who hate your guts, no matter who you are. Treat well those who treat you well and let the others go.

Stroker Ace88
06-08-11, 22:34
With all this riveting discussion about tipping and the reasons behind it, methinks most of you have forgotten something very basic:

The vast majority of Angeles City visitors are not super-hardcore mongerers. They don't troll web forums dissecting the minutiae of Philippine culture before taking their trips. So naturally, these tourists are going to do whatever they're accustomed to back home. If they tip in their home countries, they're going to bring that practice with them. There's nothing strange, surprising or inappropriate about that.

So it's not about "compensating" or making up for one's rudeness. It's simply about doing what they're used to do. You might conjure up reasons why he's tipping when the real answer is simply: 'habit'. "Methinks" you are Generalizing. Your statement that "tourists are going to do whatever they're accustomed to back home" is wrong.

So many Countries around the World do not have an tipping culture and yet those guys seem to shell out the tips just fine. One big example is Japan. I think we have all heard stories from bar girls about how they like to go with the Japanese customers. Most Japanese tip over and above what most other customers tip because they are not used to tipping, and they do not want to lose face and insult the bargirl so they give bigger tips.

Sharka
06-08-11, 23:52
What exactly is a "runner"? I guess you are not talking about Usain Bolt.

The girl has sex with you once and wants to leave right after that? They will usually ask. Can I go now? I got kid / long jeep ride / laundry / whatever to take care of. I don't know what they would do if I said no as I am usually happy to move them out and have a good sleep without someone snoring nearby. You have describe only a part of what a runner is.

As I had posted before, a runner is nothing more than a lie or a scam to get the most money out of you for the least amount of effort and time.

Remember that you have paid her a FULL BF with the promise (or in this case-verbal agreement) that she will stay until the next morning. I'm not a sex rabbit anymore so 2 rounds is the norm for me. So I often ask the gals before I BF her for 1 Round when we get back to hotel and 1 Rd in the morning. Now if she only did 1rd and leaves after 2 hrs then I have paid full price for 1/2 the agreement and should expect 1/2 the BF to be refunded back to me-yeah right.

Point is, there are many bars that have cheaper ST rate for taking the gal out for 2-3hrs ST and f*king their brains out all you want during this time for 1/2 the price of a full BF, then let them leave and sleep alone in peace. If I had wanted a ST, then this is what I would do and it'll be cheaper too but to pay full BF price for LT and getting only ST, then it's what I said-runners have just scammed you-IMO.

Shark

Sharka
06-09-11, 00:04
"Methinks" you are Generalizing. Your statement that "tourists are going to do whatever they're accustomed to back home" is wrong.

So many Countries around the World do not have an tipping culture and yet those guys seem to shell out the tips just fine. One big example is Japan. I think we have all heard stories from bar girls about how they like to go with the Japanese customers. Most Japanese tip over and above what most other customers tip because they are not used to tipping, and they do not want to lose face and insult the bargirl so they give bigger tips. Agree, I've been to Europe and Asia often and have seen many many newbie tourist from home and all seem to know not to tip at restaurants (other than leaving whatever small amts that was left over when paying the bill) , and this is from a tipping culture at home that expects 15% tips all the time.

So yes, many already know the score but disregard it anyway.

FurryFriend
06-09-11, 01:16
So many Countries around the World do not have an tipping culture and yet those guys seem to shell out the tips just fine. One big example is Japan. I think we have all heard stories from bar girls about how they like to go with the Japanese customers. Most Japanese tip over and above what most other customers tip because they are not used to tipping, and they do not want to lose face and insult the bargirl so they give bigger tips.

But in Japan, do Japanese men splurge in bars, on drinks and on prostitutes?

ABSOLUTELY.

Therefore, my thesis still stands. Tourists do indeed usually bring their domestic habits to other countries when they travel.

Chocha Monger
06-09-11, 03:30
Anyway, let us not forget that the only thing that Angeles City has to offer tourists is cheap pussy at a discount rate. If the cost of pussy gets too high tourists will find it hard to justify getting on a long costly flight to visit a dirty corrupt poverty stricken town in the middle of nowhere. The local authorities know this all too well, so they will make a raid on a couple of bars behind on their bribes once in a blue moon but they'll never eliminate the hooker bars though they could do it in one night if they really wanted. Many bar owners, hoteliers and other beneficiaries of the flesh trade dream of being able to charge Manila prices for their services. There is a big problem with that though. Mongers just will not travel 2 hours from Manila where there is a larger population of good looking mestizo girls in the bars to AC where lookers are few and far between for the same amount of money they would have paid in Air Force One. AC real estate is ridiculously overpriced due to the flesh trade. Property owners will be in for a rude price adjustment if the US ever gets its way through tying economic aid to the elimination of the local flesh trade. The best hope for AC's survival is for it to keep prices low to draw in tourists and expats in search of one last bang before dying of old age.

FurryFriend
06-09-11, 06:34
The best hope for AC's survival is for it to keep prices low to draw in tourists and expats in search of one last bang before dying of old age.The bars and bargirls don't labor for the benefit of expats. Why should they? The entire expat community can go kaput and it will barely dent the amount of revenue the bars are taking.

Prices can double and tourists will still come, particularly from Asia. Look at Manila. P3000 bar fines. Still full of tourists.

Air Asia will open it's Phillipines hub in Clark at the end of this year. Direct flights from major Asian capitals. There will be no lack of patrons. Welcome to the new Angeles City. Adapt or die.

Ekspat
06-09-11, 07:29
Look at Manila. P3000 bar fines. Still full of tourists.Having been now in Manila for almost a week and just arrived in AC, the quality is higher in Manila, no doubt. Much higher percentage of stunners.


Air Asia will open it's Phillipines hub in Clark at the end of this year. Direct flights from major Asian capitals. There will be no lack of patrons.Wondering, let the crude oil price come back to '08 levels or even higher, at least the cheap patrons will disappear. Air Asia has again implemented fuel surcharges recently.


Welcome to the new Angeles City. Adapt or die.I adapt :P

AsianRider
06-09-11, 07:34
Just spent a week there. 4th visit in 2 years. I actually live in Pattaya.

Town is still a lot of fun, though visitors seemed thin on the ground last week. Some upward EWR pressure. Fields was mostly 1500-2000, spotlight 3000-4000. Cheaper prices can be found down Perimeter Road.

Some ladies referred to as models and priced at 3-4, 000 are not models but just paid a lot to perform dance routines. Nearly all the girls speak good English, my Wingman managed to find the only girl in town who didn't but she still barfined. Some girls aren't comfortable with blowjobs, this is something you want to clarify in your interview with them LOL. All seemed happy staying overnight.

They don't have naked shows much like Pattaya, and indeed one lady I came was wearing 4 layers of knickers. A safety minded girl indeed.

My faourite places were Forbidden City, Typhoon, Genesis, Crystal Palace but YMMV. Cambodia upstairs was fun too. Waitress's in Angeles are lot more hands-friendly than Pattaya, and keen to be barfined.

Relatively new place was Phillies. Had some nice food there. But not sure if they were trying to be pool hall, restaurant, bar or disco- not sure if they knew too.

One wish. Cebu Pacific to secure some better flight times. Arriving 4am is a waste of a night.

Ekspat
06-09-11, 09:25
Ironically, many are getting stuck in dead end sociosexual relationships that go on for years and never lead to marriage because they have the financial capability of engaging in such dead end protracted relationships, hence our birthrate of 2. 1 children per couple, which is just enough to replace our population.What you mentioned and a radical feminism has led Germany's birthrate fallen to 1. 3 per couple.

Well done, Feminazis.

Stroker Ace88
06-09-11, 18:16
But in Japan, do Japanese men splurge in bars, on drinks and on prostitutes?

ABSOLUTELY.

Therefore, my thesis still stands. Tourists do indeed usually bring their domestic habits to other countries when they travel. Your thesis if you want to call it that, is flawed. If Japanese men do not tip at home but most can tip when they barfine in the Philippines how is that a habit?

Ekspat
06-10-11, 02:50
Welcome to the new Angeles City. Adapt or die.Price of SMB in Atlantis now 125ps.

Cheers!

Just Seven
06-10-11, 07:46
Your thesis if you want to call it that, is flawed. If Japanese men do not tip at home but most can tip when they barfine in the Philippines how is that a habit?He already stated that the Japanese men tip at the bar and for women at home, doing so on the road is just a continuation of their culture here.

I went to Black Pearl. My last trip. Will not return. Matrix Brawn (Perimeter) was interesting. Some guy came up and started chatting with me until he realized I was getting a handie and then called me a wanker. 700pesos for an in house BJ was a different change of pace, but will probably stick to 700pesos ST on Santos.

Was at Lost in Asia / After School at 130 chatting up before they opened and witnessed a wave of korean guys come in at exactly 1:55 (to both bars) sit in their "regular" spots and have their "regular" drinks brought to them without a word transpiring between waitress and patron. Then watched them play 20 peso games of mook gi ba (don't know how to spell it, but its rock paper scissors). Which gave me the idea to bring my favorite Chinese drinking game (frog frog jump) to Ponytails.

Gave the girls 100 pesos each in 20s and we played frog frog jump, loser gives 20 pesos to the winner. Girls had a good time, I had a good time. Ended up spending about 1000 pesos that way including drinks / lady drinks etc. Will probably do that again the next time I show up early in the afternoon.

X Man
06-10-11, 13:28
There is no tipping in Japan.


He already stated that the Japanese men tip at the bar and for women at home, doing so on the road is just a continuation of their culture here.

Stroker Ace88
06-10-11, 14:01
He already stated that the Japanese men tip at the bar and for women at home, doing so on the road is just a continuation of their culture here.Yah but what he posted was wrong. In Japan to tip someone is to offend them and I used this instance to prove his "thesis" was a wide generalization on his part.

I have pasted a quote from Wikipedia,"In Japan, tipping is not a part of the culture. Japanese people are uncomfortable with being tipped, and are likely to be confused, amused or possibly even offended if tipped."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity) #Japan

I will let it go, not trying to be negative just correct things.

Robbaf
06-10-11, 22:42
Here is one for you out there. On my last trip I was in dirty duck when a gent approached me and said the girl that I chose was a runner. At first I thought this is strange and he wanted her for himself but when she smiled at him as we were leaving I knew he was telling me the truth. So I started working on contingencies just in case as we were walking towards the hotel. After fucking her few times around midnight (I bar fined her early) I ordered pizza from room service which we shared. She had a drink from the mini fridge and then we continued fucking. Next morning, I gave her 300 peso tip and asked her about the guy. She said, he only tips 50 peso or nothing, all girls in the bar know that. She explained that she leaves very far and has service (pre arranged trike, she pays 2000 peso a month) to pick her up 4. 30 am. If the customer does not tip at least 100p she don't have money to get home. I am sure she can get home for less then the 100p but she may need to spend another 1-2 hours waiting or god knows what. Some girls that have their kids with them also pay for babysitter. I had one such case last time. This is a girl that I know and have seen her kid so she was not lying. She worked day shift and for her to stay overnight she would need to shell out 300p for babysitter. Point is if you are nice (and part of nice when mongering is to tip adequately) then they will be nice back and usually are. Very rarely do you get a b|tch that does not appreciate a nice guy. Yes some are out there, and the last two that I have encountered come from the above mentioned bar (I just love spinners and dd always has great once) but we are talking here 2% or less of all girls I have meet over ten years. What works for me is showing them that I will look after them by being nice right after the bar fine. Offer them food or drink on the way to the room (I am talking 100p here) and joke with them, make them lough which means come down to their level, be a kid for 5-10 min. Once they are comfortable then less chances of running.Good post. I also know of a bar in AC where they do not want to go with the military on Clark. One girl went and ended up fucking three guys and got a 500P tip and another one went and got no tip and had to walk from Clark back. So they decided no matter how much they liked them, they were not going.

Robb

MisterO
06-12-11, 07:13
I know it is rainy and typhoon season. Would it be worth it to take a trip in August or will the weather ruin it?

Ekspat
06-12-11, 10:05
I know it is rainy and typhoon season. Would it be worth it to take a trip in August or will the weather ruin it?Usually the hotels and bars are covered by something called roof or so.

X Man
06-12-11, 13:36
Take an umbrella. Sandals or even flip flops are advised. No sense trying to dry out sneakers or other shoes.

Better yet, Visayans / Mindanao get less rain than Luzon.


I know it is rainy and typhoon season. Would it be worth it to take a trip in August or will the weather ruin it?

Hesekiels
06-12-11, 14:28
Usually the hotels and bars are covered by something called roof or so.So true, Mr Ekspat! And I would like to add that there is a brilliant and brand new invention called 'umbrella'! This tool helps the user not to get all too wet while walking in the rain! Believe it or not, one can buy this fascinating thing on the street of AC. For 100 pesos or so! .

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Mc Don
06-12-11, 15:30
I enjoy AC / Manila in August. I will be there for most of August as I have done so in the past 7-8 years. Less tourists, hungrier girls to please you. Who cares about the rest LOL.

Even when it does not rain the heat is too much for me so I look for indo activities. If you want beach then bar fine and move on to other parts of phils.

Just Seven
06-12-11, 16:01
So I been on fields, perimeter and santos a bunch.

I heard about bars on other streets and places. Any of note I should go look at?

I heard about "2UP" anyone have any favorites?

Still looking if anyone else is in the area!

FurryFriend
06-12-11, 17:54
Yah but what he posted was wrong. In Japan to tip someone is to offend them and I used this instance to prove his "thesis" was a wide generalization on his part.

I have pasted a quote from Wikipedia,"In Japan, tipping is not a part of the culture. Japanese people are uncomfortable with being tipped, and are likely to be confused, amused or possibly even offended if tipped."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity) #Japan

I will let it go, not trying to be negative just correct things. The non-tipping culture you've referenced only applies to general consumer activities in Japan.

You must have never heard of "compensated dating" which is huge in Japan and spreading throughout Asia. Thanks for your Wikipedia article. Here's a Wikipedia article for you in return:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai.

In compensated, a patron not only pays a fee to the girl. He also showers her with expensive gifts, jewelry, clothing and even straight-up cash. This is clearly a form of tipping. And barfining a girl on Fields to go barhopping, drinking, dining and sex is highly analogous to "compensated dating".

I hate to sound like a pompous prick, but my thesis is rock solid. People don't go to another country and suddenly behave differently sinply out of need to compensate for "rudeness" or shortcomings as many have ridiculously asserted. People tip because people are creatures of habit.

Phantomtiger2
06-12-11, 22:07
Take an umbrella. Sandals or even flip flops are advised. No sense trying to dry out sneakers or other shoes.

Umbrella is good and so are the thin 0.50c- $1 plastic ponchos that easily fold into your pockets. Sandals with straps are best and avoid flipflops during a heavy downpour. Very easy to slip out of your feet and wash away. I've lost at least 2 pairs in the past and not fast enough to chase it down as it rapidly flowed away. The very lite weight nylon / poly running sneakers are also ok as they dry very quickly (they often dry faster than my sandals, so go figure).

PT

Phantomtiger2
06-12-11, 22:10
Usually the hotels and bars are covered by something called roof or so.Ha ha, so thats what they call it, what a marvelous invention.

Cheers

Phantomtiger2
06-12-11, 22:15
my favorite Chinese drinking game (frog frog jump).Not familiar with this game?

Just Seven
06-13-11, 04:49
Not familiar with this game?Sit in a circle.

One person says: Frog frog jump or turtle turtle jump, or something twice then the word jump.

When the person says Jump, everyone puts out one finger. If your finger matches the person who led the chant, you lose (drink / pay / kiss / etc)

If everyone loses, the person who led the chant repeats.

If no one loses, the person who led the chant loses (takes a drink)

If you put out two fingers, you lose.

If you put out no fingers, you lose.

Bundanko
06-13-11, 18:19
So true, Mr Ekspat! And I would like to add that there is a brilliant and brand new invention called 'umbrella'! This tool helps the user not to get all too wet while walking in the rain! Believe it or not, one can buy this fascinating thing on the street of AC. For 100 pesos or so! .

Cheers!

HesekielsJust came back yesterday from AC. The street pedlars are enterprising; they sell umbrella when it rain, so do not need to bring one from home.

Bundanko
06-14-11, 18:43
I was going in and out of the various bars at Perimeter on 8th June with a friend starting at 4pm. We ordered a drink in each place just to watch the scene. Most were small bars with about 10 to 15 girls plus the waitresses. Finally at 5pm we decided to stay put at Net 5 next to Phoenix hotel and gave lady drinks to a waitress while finding out the system. We stayed on ordering food and some more drinks. We were told that bar fine was P1100 for ST or LT. If I remembered correctly our drink was only P65 per bottle and lady drink was P150 each, and this place opened till 11pm.

Beside us there were 4 other foreigners either Australian or British. They did not seem to bother giving lady drink.

Finally by 6pm we left the place with a waitress as bar fine for my friend. I had a FL who stayed in Pampanga in tow by then. We went back to hotel and enjoyed with our individual girl promising to go out for dinner at 8pm. After dinner we continued bar hopping with our girls in the various Field bars and finally ending at Atlantis which seem to have the most expensive drink where a bottle of beer cost P125 and lady drink at P250. By 12am we both went back with our girls by trike. My girl stayed till 10am whereas my friend girl was kicked out by him during the night when she refused sex after bar hopping. Mine was of satisfactory performance and of no hurry and we had 3 round of sex. For her effort I gave her P3000 and another P200 for trike. Thus in Perimeter luck seem to play some part.

Zona12
06-15-11, 02:45
Just came back yesterday from AC. The street pedlars are enterprising; they sell umbrella when it rain, so do not need to bring one from home.Disposable umbrellas. They last about 1 hour and need to be thrown away. If it's windy, it lasts 5 minutes.

Better to sit in a bar and invest in a drink or 2.

Ekspat
06-15-11, 09:19
For her effort I gave her P3000 and another P200 for trike. Thus in Perimeter luck seem to play some part.Be ready to be grilled for this amount of tip. Hehe.

Ezinho
06-15-11, 09:33
Be ready to be grilled for this amount of tip. Hehe.I'm sure that was just a typo and he meant 300 pesos. There's no way anyone would tip a perimeter girl 3000, the quality is just too low out there to warrant that kind of tip!

Bundanko, that was just a typo, right?

LovingAsia
06-15-11, 10:04
I hope someone can help me here.

Does anyone have an idea of how much rain falls in late August / sept? I mean will I be wading knee deep through waters to get from one bar to the next?

Are there sex stores on fields / perimeter. If so do they have a good selection of stuff?

FreebieFan
06-15-11, 10:09
Disposable umbrellas. They last about 1 hour and need to be thrown away. If it's windy, it lasts 5 minutes.

Better to sit in a bar and invest in a drink or 2.I noticed when I checked in at Manila airport that all the x ray machines have signs plastered over them saying " Umbrellas cannot be placed in handcarry. Much be checked in". Yes umbrellas are really dangerous weapons.

Suwon
06-15-11, 12:20
I'm sure that was just a typo and he meant 300 pesos. There's no way anyone would tip a perimeter girl 3000, the quality is just too low out there to warrant that kind of tip!

Bundanko, that was just a typo, right? Nah mate. He tipped a FL 3, 000!

FurryFriend
06-15-11, 17:05
I'm sure that was just a typo and he meant 300 pesos. There's no way anyone would tip a perimeter girl 3000, the quality is just too low out there to warrant that kind of tip!

Bundanko, that was just a typo, right? Even the Koreans will say that tip is too high!

Run Mann
06-15-11, 18:21
IAre there sex stores on fields /perimeter. If so do they have a good selection of stuff?There's a sex store at the entrance of Walking Street across from/in the vicinity of the Doll House. Don't know what good selection means to you but they do have a selection.

Sharka
06-15-11, 23:59
Even the Koreans will say that tip is too high!Ha, not some of the Koreans I came across. I once saw a Korean tip a gal 5000p at a bar and get this, he didn't even bother to BF her for the nite, just gave her the tip and left. How did everyone inside the bar know about the tip.

Well, she was so happy she bragged about it to everyone.

Sharka
06-16-11, 00:04
I noticed when I checked in at Manila airport that all the x ray machines have signs plastered over them saying " Umbrellas cannot be placed in handcarry. Much be checked in". Yes umbrellas are really dangerous weapons.Thats because couple of years back someone fashioned a small knife inside the handle of an umbrella. Once something is found then it gets listed for a ban, same as when someone wanted to "mix" liquids into an explosive, Now, no more liq. Of decent size can be carryon. All it takes is for one idiot to start it.

Sharka
06-16-11, 00:10
. We were told that bar fine was P1100 for ST or LT.

We had 3 round of sex.

For her effort I gave her P3000 and another P200 for trike. Thus in Perimeter luck seem to play some part. 3000p for a tipping a FL? And 3 rounds.

So tip comes out to 1000p a round (or just about the price of a BF itself).

Still trying to figure this one out as my math must be off somewhere.

Didn't even want to throw in the 200 trike money tip, the money spent on her for dinner, etc etc, as it will just complicate the math even more.

But just for the record, the 200 trike money would have been the overall tip I would give as it included a dinner for her already.

Shark

Slippery
06-16-11, 01:22
Overpaid. Way too much. Leave the guy alone and he will learn as many of us have. And then I have a steady girlfriend in Manila. Just think about how I'm getting my balls busted. Will be there in a couple of weeks.

Weekend in CR. Once I hit the Phils I'll probably dump her anyway.

Apeman 28
06-16-11, 02:46
I have to laugh at this when you compare it to the "original" one in Pattaya. It should be renamed to Beggar- Shit hole St. Any other ideas?

Have you guys noticed an increase of birds who don't like to bar fined? Bumped into this sort the other night and whilst talking away, all she would do is suck and kiss, WTF baby I told her most men want to fuck and lick and girls come to AC to make money and not holiday as AC ain't no holiday destination for families.

Mc Don
06-16-11, 03:06
I hope someone can help me here.

Does anyone have an idea of how much rain falls in late August / sept? I mean will I be wading knee deep through waters to get from one bar to the next?

Are there sex stores on fields / perimeter. If so do they have a good selection of stuff? Not a lot of choice inside. Its very small to begin with and other then some dildos and porn you won't find much else.

FreebieFan
06-16-11, 03:06
Never saw that sign tho anywhere else in the world. Not that I carry an umbrella in my hand carry anywhere either. LOL

Amjeck
06-16-11, 05:03
Have you guys noticed an increase of birds who don't like to bar fined? Bumped into this sort the other night and whilst talking away, all she would do is suck and kiss, WTF baby I told her most men want to fuck and lick and girls come to AC to make money and not holiday as AC ain't no holiday destination for families.Are you saying the girls will go with you but only kiss and give BJ's?

Frenzy3
06-16-11, 06:49
I have to laugh at this when you compare it to the "original" one in Pattaya. It should be renamed to Beggar- Shit hole St. Any other ideas?

Have you guys noticed an increase of birds who don't like to bar fined? Bumped into this sort the other night and whilst talking away, all she would do is suck and kiss, WTF baby I told her most men want to fuck and lick and girls come to AC to make money and not holiday as AC ain't no holiday destination for families. How long you been in ac? Sounds like the girls have marked you, they talk between bars and most of us are known even short stay punters. Also the girls do not have to sex you so be good to them do what they ask. Telling her how to do her job will not win you points. It will confirm the intel they have.

LovingAsia
06-16-11, 09:26
Thanks Run Mann.

1st time to Angeles. Won't have time to pop in to every bar.

I know I'd prefer a bar with a more intimate atmosphere where you are closer to the girls.

For smaller bars, I heard good ones are Dirty Duck, La Bamba, Welcome Inn, Champagne on Fields, and Nifty, LIA, After School on Perimeter. Have I missed out any gems?

Thanks

Fast Eddie 48
06-16-11, 22:13
[QUOTE=Sharka; 1166598]3000p for a tipping a FL? And 3 rounds.

So tip comes out to 1000p a round (or just about the price of a BF itself).

Still trying to figure this one out as my math must be off somewhere.

Didn't even want to throw in the 200 trike money tip, the money spent on her for dinner, etc etc, as it will just complicate the math even more.

But just for the record, the 200 trike money would have been the overall tip I would give as it included a dinner for her already.

To Bundako

I agree with Sharka that is way too much not even the Korean tip that much, most girl will be very happy with 300-500 peso in the morning and 50 peso for trike is good.

Fast Eddie 48

Cyber Whip
06-17-11, 01:27
I agree 100, although I always ask my friends,"wonder why they never banned underwear?" (ala the underwear bomber guy).

Also you will notice a huge pile of umbrellas in Cebu airport just between the exit fee station and directly before the xray into terminal.

Cyber Whip
06-17-11, 01:29
3000p for a tipping a FL? And 3 rounds.

So tip comes out to 1000p a round (or just about the price of a BF itself).

Still trying to figure this one out as my math must be off somewhere.

Didn't even want to throw in the 200 trike money tip, the money spent on her for dinner, etc etc, as it will just complicate the math even more.

But just for the record, the 200 trike money would have been the overall tip I would give as it included a dinner for her already.

SharkAhhh sh1t, here we go again! But, even I agree that seems a little high. Surely was a typo. If you're going to spend that kind of money just go to Manila.

Apeman 28
06-17-11, 01:42
Are you saying the girls will go with you but only kiss and give BJ's?No just this bird, she will one day wake up and find a bloke in one of her other holes. .

Apeman 28
06-17-11, 01:47
How long you been in ac? Sounds like the girls have marked you, they talk between bars and most of us are known even short stay punters. Also the girls do not have to sex you so be good to them do what they ask. Telling her how to do her job will not win you points. It will confirm the intel they have.Only been a week this time, but drop in to AC about 3-4 times a yr for1-2 weeks, still trying to decide Pattaya or AC.

This bird made me laugh when she told me no fuckie only suckie / Lickie. All other birds want to fuck you at the bar whilst talking, shit can't keep up the custard supply. PS

Frenzy3
06-17-11, 04:42
Only been a week this time, but drop in to AC about 3-4 times a yr for1-2 weeks, still trying to decide Pattaya or AC.

This bird made me laugh when she told me no fuckie only suckie / Lickie. All other birds want to fuck you at the bar whilst talking, shit can't keep up the custard supply. PSSee if any other girls give you the same line. Maybe she wanted you to bar fine her but she had period. Next time ask her manager.

Just Seven
06-17-11, 06:23
Thanks Run Mann.

1st time to Angeles. Won't have time to pop in to every bar.

I know I'd prefer a bar with a more intimate atmosphere where you are closer to the girls.

For smaller bars, I heard good ones are Dirty Duck, La Bamba, Welcome Inn, Champagne on Fields, and Nifty, LIA, After School on Perimeter. Have I missed out any gems?

ThanksSeconding Lost in Asia and After School.

Firsting Honky Tonk (Santos) and Treasure Island (Fields)

Have not been to Champagne or Nifty.

I will be around fields tonight 1230

Pinga 98
06-17-11, 12:28
My camera is out of juice and I forgot to bring my Nikon MH-18a battery charger. I have looked all over the SM Mall but cannot find a charger. If you use a non-pro Nikon DSLR (model D-50/70/70s / 80/90/100/200/300/700) and have brought your charger and are willing to help a brother, drop me a line. I can stop by and leave my battery to charge for a few hours. I can buy you a drink, share my photos or just express my gratitude. I have four more days in AC.

Pinga.

P. S. Want to know how I ran out of battery? Here is small sample photos from Miss Pinatubo 2011 Bikini Contest held on June 15 at Wild Orchid Resort. My camera kept clicking uncontrollably.

LovingAsia
06-17-11, 14:16
Thanks Just 7, and have a nice time in Fields tonight.

Has anyone had experiences with tailors in Angeles? What can you say in terms of couture and price? I'd like to get a suit and winter coat made to measure. Was going to get it in Hong Kong. Did some reading and HK is not the bargain it once was.

Sorry if this is off topic, but we need to find something else to do apart from bar hopping.

MisterO
06-17-11, 15:02
Thanks Run Mann.

1st time to Angeles. Won't have time to pop in to every bar.

I know I'd prefer a bar with a more intimate atmosphere where you are closer to the girls.

For smaller bars, I heard good ones are Dirty Duck, La Bamba, Welcome Inn, Champagne on Fields, and Nifty, LIA, After School on Perimeter. Have I missed out any gems?

ThanksI had a great time at Dirty Duck. As soon as I walked in. 5 girls were all over me. Probably trying to get lady drinks, but I was playing hard to get. Finally got the number of girls hounding me down to the 3 I liked the most in the bar. Guess one of the bakla papasan's was into me and kept giving me free drinks. He got the girls to take my shirt off and all 3 of them were sucking on my nipples and I sucked on theirs. They tried so hard to get my pants off for a BJ right there in the bar, but I wasn't into that especially with the papasan there. I did finally end up buying a round of drinks for the 3 girls and the papasan, after he had already given me 5. DFK with all 3 girls and barfined the one who I thought kissed the best. Great session and she let me take a little video. Unfortunately I was only using my point and shoot camera and the lighting sucked. Got a little food, then back to the room for another session.

Sammon
06-17-11, 16:50
Thanks Run Mann.

1st time to Angeles. Won't have time to pop in to every bar.

I know I'd prefer a bar with a more intimate atmosphere where you are closer to the girls.

For smaller bars, I heard good ones are Dirty Duck, La Bamba, Welcome Inn, Champagne on Fields, and Nifty, LIA, After School on Perimeter. Have I missed out any gems?

ThanksIndividual experiences vary from bar to bar and for that matter girl to girl.

If you are looking for cheap drinks and cheaper barfines perimeter bars are the choice.

As for girls there are gems everywhere. As for performance starfish to mind blowing horny can be found in any bar.

I have not found any bar where they leave you alone. By this it means making unwanted advances by the girl, demanding or atleast trying for ladydrinks from mamasan down to dancing girls are common. After you buy a ladydrink pushing you to barfine that girl is common too.

Yes, I too have my favorite bars mainly because I have had good experiences barfining there or I know some mamasans or girls. But sometimes I like to check out other bars to see also. Generally I visit atleast 10 bars a night alone or with the barfined girl.

It is always better to visit many bars just to what the present scene is like and then select which one you like in terms of service and quality of girls.