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ManonsanBoy
06-17-11, 20:53
My camera is out of juice.

P. S. Want to know how I ran out of battery? Here is small sample photos from Miss Pinatubo 2011 Bikini Contest held on June 15 at Wild Orchid Resort. My camera kept clicking uncontrollably. The racial diversity of Philippines is definitely increasing. Traces of Chinese, korean, afroamerican in your examples

ManonsanBoy
06-17-11, 21:22
The Licensing Exam for Elementary teachers (LET) in the Philippines last year had a pass rate of 18. 7%

In other words. 81. 3% of the education degree "graduates" did not qualify to be hired as teachers.

O Mick). Exploitation of the poor.

Yiddo
06-18-11, 01:45
I had a great time at Dirty Duck. As soon as I walked in. 5 girls were all over me. Probably trying to get lady drinks, but I was playing hard to get. Finally got the number of girls hounding me down to the 3 I liked the most in the bar. Guess one of the bakla papasan's was into me and kept giving me free drinks. He got the girls to take my shirt off and all 3 of them were sucking on my nipples and I sucked on theirs. They tried so hard to get my pants off for a BJ right there in the bar, but I wasn't into that especially with the papasan there. I did finally end up buying a round of drinks for the 3 girls and the papasan, after he had already given me 5. DFK with all 3 girls and barfined the one who I thought kissed the best. Great session and she let me take a little video. Unfortunately I was only using my point and shoot camera and the lighting sucked. Got a little food, then back to the room for another session.If you think they really intended to give you a BJ right there in the bar, then you obviously don't know anything about AC. They were having a little fun and trying to drum up business, get more lady drinks etc, that's all.

Yiddo
06-18-11, 02:03
The bars and bargirls don't labor for the benefit of expats. Why should they? The entire expat community can go kaput and it will barely dent the amount of revenue the bars are taking.

Prices can double and tourists will still come, particularly from Asia. Look at Manila. P3000 bar fines. Still full of tourists.

Air Asia will open it's Phillipines hub in Clark at the end of this year. Direct flights from major Asian capitals. There will be no lack of patrons. Welcome to the new Angeles City. Adapt or die. There are already direct flights to Clark with budget airlines (Cebu Pacific, Tiger.) from HK, Macau, KL, Singapore, Bangkok. Airasia will just add another option.

MisterO
06-18-11, 06:42
If you think they really intended to give you a BJ right there in the bar, then you obviously don't know anything about AC. They were having a little fun and trying to drum up business, get more lady drinks etc, that's all.Actually I do! The papasan was right there telling them to do it and telling me that they were really good! I also recall another member saying that he had received a BJ inside Dirty Duck.

Ekspat
06-18-11, 09:16
My camera kept clicking uncontrollably.Hehe, I know that.

Me arriving on Wednesday, using D2X, issit the same charger?

Cheers!

Mongrinastrlnd
06-18-11, 09:42
Hehe, I know that.

Me arriving on Wednesday, using D2X, issit the same charger?

Cheers! Nope, that's EN-EL4, same as the D3. (Of course with a fully charged EN-EL4 you don't need to bring a charger for a trip less than 2 weeks.)

Nolz7
06-18-11, 10:19
My camera is out of juice and I forgot to bring my Nikon MH-18a battery charger. I have looked all over the SM Mall but cannot find a charger. If you use a non-pro Nikon DSLR (model D-50/70/70s / 80/90/100/200/300/700) and have brought your charger and are willing to help a brother, drop me a line. I can stop by and leave my battery to charge for a few hours. I can buy you a drink, share my photos or just express my gratitude. I have four more days in AC.

Pinga.

P. S. Want to know how I ran out of battery? Here is small sample photos from Miss Pinatubo 2011 Bikini Contest held on June 15 at Wild Orchid Resort. My camera kept clicking uncontrollably.. When everything fails, you can always buy a cheap camera or a disposable one. Cheers bro!

Sharka
06-18-11, 23:35
. But sometimes I like to check out other bars to see also. Generally I visit atleast 10 bars a night alone or with the barfined girl.

It is always better to visit many bars just to what the present scene is like and then select which one you like in terms of service and quality of girls. Let's not forget that the same bar itself can be a different experience that varies day to day and even by several hours. The ladies have different shifts and days off so going back even a day later could be a whole different experience.

Bundanko
06-19-11, 08:05
I'm sure that was just a typo and he meant 300 pesos. There's no way anyone would tip a perimeter girl 3000, the quality is just too low out there to warrant that kind of tip!

Bundanko, that was just a typo, right? What I meant was I did not pay any bar fine. The girl was introduced to me by her friend who worked in my country. I had sms and called her before my arrival. She was cute and 24yo. She used to work in Departmental store and also helped her cousin in her Filipino karaoke. Thus all I paid for her companionship was P3200 (she did not ask for money but I gave as I knew she expected me to give).

Go Big Red
06-20-11, 02:57
Thanks Run Mann.

1st time to Angeles. Won't have time to pop in to every bar.

I know I'd prefer a bar with a more intimate atmosphere where you are closer to the girls.

For smaller bars, I heard good ones are Dirty Duck, La Bamba, Welcome Inn, Champagne on Fields, and Nifty, LIA, After School on Perimeter. Have I missed out any gems?

ThanksIf you like rock music, Roadhouse is a must.

http://www.roadhouseclub.com/

Just Seven
06-20-11, 05:20
My ship is sunk, my iphone ate my long report before I could post it.

My mood is like the weather. Shitty.

Expect a report and explanation by Wednesday.

Just Seven
06-23-11, 04:33
My ship is sunk, my iphone ate my long report before I could post it.

My mood is like the weather. Shitty.

Expect a report and explanation by Wednesday. Sorry, report is a bit too personal to share on ISG.

Had a wonderful time at Blue Nile again, my friend just loves throwing money around in that place. I won't be back till September, someone keep my girls warm for me

Ekspat
06-23-11, 05:08
I won't be back till September, someone keep my girls warm for meMe arrived yesterday for a week, another trip arranged already for August, hehe, nothing to worry, I'll do my very best to keep the girls warm!

Life is nice, di ba? Cheers!

Edward M
06-23-11, 12:44
Let's be careful out there.

Just read on Harry the Horse's site that a security guard was killed at 2:30AM Monday morning at the Welcome Inn in the heart of Fields during a robbery attempt. Luckily the suspect was apprehended as he was running away.

Just Seven
06-23-11, 14:53
Let's be careful out there.

Just read on Harry the Horse's site that a security guard was killed at 2:30AM Monday morning at the Welcome Inn in the heart of Fields during a robbery attempt. Luckily the suspect was apprehended as he was running away. I think I walked by the ambulance and the police cars.

Also a robbery at the beer garden at around midnight at knifepoint.

So yeah, be careful, don't do stupid things. You can always make more money, sitting in the hospital or getting killed over something stupid is not the best idea.

Asia Smiles
06-26-11, 02:16
[QUOTE=Pinga 98; 1167122]My camera is out of juice and I forgot to bring my Nikon MH-18a battery charger. I have looked all over the SM Mall but cannot find a charger.

Sorry to hear you forgot your charger. Same happened to me once, and yes there is an electronics store on the second floor of SM Mall, over where the center stage and theaters are at. Second level in the back, I think north. I don't remember the name of the store but they sell all sorts of electronic gadgets, and one thing they have is a universal charger which can charge cell phone batteries, camera batteries, and such. Relatively cheap little product that has adjustable prongs that mate with the battery terminals, and plug into the wall. Works great.

Nothing worse than being in AC and no pictures of the girls!

HarryDubois
06-27-11, 13:42
May I ask a general question, and I hope this is not silly.

I am 50, 6'1, athletic. 200 pounds, white, not bald, greying hair, American.

If I were to visit Angeles City this summer, what type of reaction could I expect from the bargirls there? I would like to spend my time with pretty girls aged 18 to 22 who will truly shower me with love and affection. GFE in short.

Of course I am happy to pay the standard fee which I understand is between $25 and $75 US dollars per night.

What can I actually expect? Also is August, being a raining month with fewer tourists, a preferable time to visit?

I have this image of sexually insatiable, nubile Angeles bar girls, however I wonder if this is a myth or not.

Mr Enternational
06-27-11, 14:35
May I ask a general question, and I hope this is not silly. If I were to visit Angeles City this summer, what type of reaction could I expect from the bargirls there? I have this image of sexually insatiable, nubile Angeles bar girls, however I wonder if this is a myth or not.Dude. They are hookers. So you can expect someone who is going to fuck you for money. Sexually insatiable? I think it will work better if you switch out the word sexually with the word financially. I will admit though that generally it is not the fuck 'n truck that you get from most hookers around the world. A lot of times you do get the GFE because many of these girls are vying for a way out or at least someone who will put them on payroll long term. But always remember YMMV.

Sammon
06-27-11, 14:42
May I ask a general question, and I hope this is not silly.

I am 50, 6'1, athletic. 200 pounds, white, not bald, greying hair, American.

If I were to visit Angeles City this summer, what type of reaction could I expect from the bargirls there? I would like to spend my time with pretty girls aged 18 to 22 who will truly shower me with love and affection. GFE in short.

Of course I am happy to pay the standard fee which I understand is between $25 and $75 US dollars per night.

What can I actually expect? Also is August, being a raining month with fewer tourists, a preferable time to visit?

I have this image of sexually insatiable, nubile Angeles bar girls, however I wonder if this is a myth or not. Your looks generally does not get you preference in AC. Money does.

Read all the posts about barprices.

AC is always crowded. Do not expect lower barprices or willingness of the girls to go with you just because it is slow. Always book your reservation for the hotel beforehand.

Sexwise there are varities. Some will fuck your brains out but others barely move.

Your personal experience will decide it for you.

This is a brothel town, so money speaks.

Mc Don
06-27-11, 15:13
May I ask a general question, and I hope this is not silly.

I am 50, 6'1, athletic. 200 pounds, white, not bald, greying hair, American.

If I were to visit Angeles City this summer, what type of reaction could I expect from the bargirls there? I would like to spend my time with pretty girls aged 18 to 22 who will truly shower me with love and affection. GFE in short.

Of course I am happy to pay the standard fee which I understand is between $25 and $75 US dollars per night.

What can I actually expect? Also is August, being a raining month with fewer tourists, a preferable time to visit?

I have this image of sexually insatiable, nubile Angeles bar girls, however I wonder if this is a myth or not. I would approach this differently. Fist few days I would bang as many as I could then find the right one and keep her maybe travel with her around for few days. Take her to manila or subic. Be nice and make it fun for her. You will find out that true GFE happens after few days spent together when she learns how to push your buttons and vice versa. Once she sees you are a good guy then she will relax lot more around you and things will become more natural. Loyalty to them it important (she is after all fishing for a whale and she will be hopping that its you) so either be loyal or careful if you still want to play around while she is with you.

Mackin
06-27-11, 18:02
I can tell you that money is the answer but that wouldn't be totally true. Screw as many as possible the first few days and pick from there. Make sure you question them before you take them out. I will tell you right now that during the week there arn't a whole lot of guys around. The weekend has more guests. I would think the week days would give you a lot of choice to use your trial and error and find something compatable. Of course right now lots of rain so that might be slowing down the monger flyers. I have also found the better you treat them the better it gets.

Socker
06-27-11, 18:13
may i ask a general question, and i hope this is not silly.

i am 50, 6'1, athletic. 200 pounds, white, not bald, greying hair, american.

if i were to visit angeles city this summer, what type of reaction could i expect from the bargirls there? i would like to spend my time with pretty girls aged 18 to 22 who will truly shower me with love and affection. gfe in short.

of course i am happy to pay the standard fee which i understand is between $25 and $75 us dollars per night.

what can i actually expect? also is august, being a raining month with fewer tourists, a preferable time to visit?

i have this image of sexually insatiable, nubile angeles bar girls, however i wonder if this is a myth or not.harry, ac is a strange little town w / the monger area separate from the other areas. the bars are mainly located on one street a couple miles long. the fields section has a density of bars where most of the girls work. a mile or less down the road is the perimeter area (same street) and the bars are more rep001tered. if you are a nice guy you will be viewed differently than the guys that are cheap and stingy. half the guys on most mongering boards are tightwads and do not compensate the ladies properly. you can tell which ones they are by their views. i went by myself last november and stayed 3 weeks. 12 days in ac and the rest in cebu and puerto galara. you will never be the same if you go, it is sex heaven. there will be many ladies that will give you what you are looking for. the better you look and treat them, the better response you will get from them. i am 59 (bald) i work out, tan, dress well and use anything i can to set the stage. i am pulling 18 and up w / no problem (7's & 8's). in ac the ladies are not strikingly beautiful like they are in the bigger cities in pi but they are attractive and plentiful. normal day for me would be an afternoon session from a perimeter bar (bars are more casual here and cheaper) and then later go to fields for the main entertainment. every encounter will not work perfectly but in most cases if you don't click you can return the lady for a refund of your bf, then start shopping again. shopping is also the fun part. this hobby is way up there on the "potential for addiction". the town is a bit dirty and ugly but they have malls and there are other things to do. mainly it is an excellent town for fucking young women that have beautiful spirits and and extremely strange job. it is not dangerous in the daytime but at night stick to the fields area w / all the lights and people. i never felt a hint of a problem. if you go you will have a learning curve but it is not rocket science, book the lewis grand hotel (they are in the middle of the action) and have them pick you up at mnl. piece of cake bro. the breast in red belongs to a 5 from the lost in asia bar, awesome mind blowing bj, the other is a 3000p girl from the dollhouse, both ladies will never be forgotten. one last comment, the 5s and 6s give the better blow jobs.

HarryDubois
06-27-11, 18:25
What is a good, affordable choice close to the bars?

Socker
06-27-11, 20:56
What is a good, affordable choice close to the bars?I think it's time you. RTFRs.

FurryFriend
06-28-11, 10:44
Your looks generally does not get you preference in AC. Money does.

AC is always crowded. Do not expect lower barprices or willingness of the girls to go with you just because it is slow. Always book your reservation for the hotel beforehand. I wouldn't say looks won't get you preferences. All else considered equal, the girls will naturally prefer someone who's pleasant in appearance. But clearly, seeing plenty of young girls with really old out-of-shape men, patron of all ages and appearances will likely get plently of play on Fields.

Of course, if it's money or appearance, the girls will choose money. No doubt about that.

AC is not "always crowded". I was there three months ago. Very quiet. In the mega bars, almost two-third of the seats were empty. Plenty of vacancies signs at the hotels. I even walked up and got an economy room at Hotel Amsterdam without a reservation. The streets were eerily quiet. Most doorgirls didn't even bother solictating guys walking by. It's seasonal.

Patrons shouldn't go to Angeles City thinking girls will flock to you and fuck your brains out simply because you have money or you're good-looking. You will get from AC what you put in. If you have fun with the girls and treat them well, they will respond likewise. If you sit in a bar being an ass or looking lifeless, they will gravitate away from you. If you're a Cheap Charlie (like most expats) , you're probably ***** and moan seeing the girls preferring the big spending Korean guys. Like meeting girls in the "real world", you'll experience all types there.

Rodney64
06-28-11, 11:04
The girls there will not just flock to you because you have money or good looks. You just have to have fun and treat them nice and be very silly with them so they can relax with you. That goes without saiding there will be some who will reject you for other things. Not thier type or just feeling you but don't take it personaly it just the way it is there in thier line of work. Believe I had several thier that I like rejest me maybe it was for the best because it probably wouldn't been a good experience ehehehehehe. And anothe watch those waitressess there man that can be aggrestive for " ladies drinks " heheheheeh. Remember joke with them, laugh with them and be very silly and much fun.


I wouldn't say looks won't get you preferences. All else considered equal, the girls will naturally prefer someone who's pleasant in appearance. But clearly, seeing plenty of young girls with really old out-of-shape men, patron of all ages and appearances will likely get plently of play on Fields.

Of course, if it's money or appearance, the girls will choose money. No doubt about that.

AC is not "always crowded". I was there three months ago. Very quiet. In the mega bars, almost two-third of the seats were empty. Plenty of vacancies signs at the hotels. I even walked up and got an economy room at Hotel Amsterdam without a reservation. The streets were eerily quiet. Most doorgirls didn't even bother solictating guys walking by. It's seasonal.

Patrons shouldn't go to Angeles City thinking girls will flock to you and fuck your brains out simply because you have money or you're good-looking. You will get from AC what you put in. If you have fun with the girls and treat them well, they will respond likewise. If you sit in a bar being an ass or looking lifeless, they will gravitate away from you. If you're a Cheap Charlie (like most expats) , you're probably * and moan seeing the girls preferring the big spending Korean guys. Like meeting girls in the "real world", you'll experience all types there.

Five10
06-28-11, 12:34
I think the advice you give is good AND. I appreciate the photos Bro. BUT 3000 in AC?

Ekspat
06-28-11, 14:12
If you and a Korean guy enters Dollhouse at the same time, I have zero doubt who will get seated first.Just yesterday I entered Atlantis 2 seconds after a Korean. Me, long pants, solid shoes and polo shirt. The Korean, as so often, short pants, flipflops and overall a bit rundown.

Guess who was seated first.

FreebieFan
06-28-11, 15:59
Just yesterday I entered Atlantis 2 seconds after a Korean. Me, long pants, solid shoes and polo shirt. The Korean, as so often, short pants, flipflops and overall a bit rundown.

Guess who was seated first.Score one for the white guys!

Amjeck
06-28-11, 17:15
Dude. They are hookers. So you can expect someone who is going to fuck you for money. Sexually insatiable? I think it will work better if you switch out the word sexually with the word financially. I will admit though that generally it is not the fuck 'n truck that you get from most hookers around the world. A lot of times you do get the GFE because many of these girls are vying for a way out or at least someone who will put them on payroll long term. But always remember YMMV.I agree. They are all hookers looking for cash. Never loose sight of that! Some can be really fun and sweet and some are downright bitches. Go with the flow and try and have a good time, but always be a man not a wimp.

Amjeck
06-28-11, 17:21
Score one for the white guys!Who got the better pussy?

MadisonGuy
06-28-11, 18:20
Is it really that easy? I've been torn between a trip to latin america or asia in a couple weeks. I prefer latin women but kind of get sick of their mood swings, I guess it's worth it or I wouldn't put up with it. Anyway in just 1 week I've already got 2 girls lined up to spend every minute with me when I get there, both are very attractive 18-21 which I'm around 30 so for me that's perfect. It just almost seems too easy, like it doesn't really seem fair. And this may sound stupid but I have to ask, but why bother going to a working girl house when it's so easy to pick up girls there? Now I haven't been so maybe I just got lucky and had 2 beautiful girls drop out of the sky through the internet and that will not be the norm. But I am kind of told that is the norm from a buddy that is over there. I know I will be in the clubs regardless of how many girls I meet, but I can't see spending a bunch of time if I have a half dozen girls that are the real girlfriend experience. One of the girls I'm talking to insists that she's not good enough and wants to bring her hot friends along too, now in the US that would be a trap to see if you like the girl, but maybe she really does want to introduce me to a bunch of hotties. Can it be true, can a place like this really exist? Have they not yet learned that our dollar will soon be so weak that we will be asking their country for money. I can't wait to find out, I just hope it doesn't rain everyday or I get killed by a tsunami.

Hesekiels
06-28-11, 19:12
The girls there will not just flock to you because you have money or good looks. ...Interesting! Is that really the impression you got?

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Mr Enternational
06-28-11, 19:23
Is it really that easy? Anyway in just 1 week I've already got 2 girls lined up to spend every minute with me when I get there, both are very attractive 18-21 which I'm around 30 so for me that's perfect. It just almost seems too easy, like it doesn't really seem fair. And this may sound stupid but I have to ask, but why bother going to a working girl house when it's so easy to pick up girls there? Now I haven't been so maybe I just got lucky and had 2 beautiful girls drop out of the sky through the internet and that will not be the norm. One of the girls I'm talking to insists that she's not good enough and wants to bring her hot friends along too, now in the US that would be a trap to see if you like the girl, but maybe she really does want to introduce me to a bunch of hotties. Can it be true, can a place like this really exist?ROFLMFAO. Now from reading your posts in the TJ thread I KNOW you have more sense than that. But I'm not even going to go near it. I will let the other guys attack it head on.

MadisonGuy
06-28-11, 20:19
ROFLMFAO. Now from reading your posts in the TJ thread I KNOW you have more sense than that. But I'm not even going to go near it. I will let the other guys attack it head on.Ok sorry I know it's pretty easy, but I thought there was a limit. In latin america there is definetely a limit. 50 year old guys are not going to be picking up hot 18 year old girls. One of the girls I'm talking to that is 18 has had 2 boyfriends and one was a 50 year old american dude. I was like damn. Her mind frame was the older the more serious they are, I don't really believe that but what the hey. Anyway it just seems hard to believe. I always said I would get married for the last time when I was like 45, because I thought I could still swing 18-20, but now maybe I'm going to have to change that number to 60. I'm excited to find out! I'm definetely not new to the game and won't fall in love with the first girl I meet, maybe the first 10 girls.

Side question, is there any true cruise ships that go out from the phillipines? I know there's ships to palawan and what not that you sleep on for one night. I'm thinking something more like Carnival or what not with gambling and maybe a little further destination. I probably won't leave angeles city, but I'd still like to plan and put intention to going to cebu or palawan. If I don't bring back a couple photos of the beach my wife might be extra pissed.

Socker
06-28-11, 20:41
I agree. They are all hookers looking for cash. Never loose sight of that! Some can be really fun and sweet and some are downright bitches. Go with the flow and try and have a good time, but always be a man not a wimp.Some mongers can also be fun and kind and some are downright assholes. Same, same. There is no high ground we are looking down from. They rely on what we want and we rely on what they want. I think if there is higher ground the working girls occupy it. It should be fun for everyone. Most filipinas inherently love men, that also goes for women of a lot of asian (and latin) countries. They are less judgmental and not interested in competing w / men in general. There is a skill to being a bargirl, freelancer, dancer, waitress, etc. Most are very comfortable (instantly) being w / us mongers. They make us feel good in many ways and after the deed and mutual connection they have to move on. I think most do a very impressive job. I am very picky about my fun and most ladies deliver a special time. That's why I think they are impressive, their job is extremely complex and most execute their duties beautifully. IT'S ALWAYS A 2 WAY STREET.

Socker
06-28-11, 20:47
I think the advice you give is good AND. I appreciate the photos Bro. BUT 3000 in AC?Yea, I freaking don't want to pay 3000p but that's the pricing system at some clubs. The 1500p girls are as good in most cases. The one I choose had something I wanted so I paid the price. She was worth it too.

Slippery
06-28-11, 23:01
Apparently Golden Nile, Blue Nile and Cambodia Club all got raided last night. Girls were put on busses and taken to Manila. That's alot of girls.

Gunga Din
06-29-11, 00:12
Apparently Golden Nile, Blue Nile and Cambodia Club all got raided last night. Girls were put on busses and taken to Manila. That's alot of girls.I'm in AC now, and just got a text from a girl from Golden Nile that confirms Slipperies news. She said "a lot of girls", so this was a major operation, apparently.

Bummer.

- Gunga Din

MadisonGuy
06-29-11, 01:23
I'm in AC now, and just got a text from a girl from Golden Nile that confirms Slipperies news. She said "a lot of girls", so this was a major operation, apparently.

Bummer.

- Gunga DinI don't get it, isn't it legal there? Why would there be a raid and girls taken away? Do the customers get taken also when that happens?

Kitie Carson
06-29-11, 01:24
Ok sorry I know it's pretty easy, but I thought there was a limit. In latin america there is definetely a limit. 50 year old guys are not going to be picking up hot 18 year old girls. One of the girls I'm talking to that is 18 has had 2 boyfriends and one was a 50 year old american dude. I was like damn. Her mind frame was the older the more serious they are, I don't really believe that but what the hey. Anyway it just seems hard to believe. I always said I would get married for the last time when I was like 45, because I thought I could still swing 18-20, but now maybe I'm going to have to change that number to 60. I'm excited to find out! I'm definetely not new to the game and won't fall in love with the first girl I meet, maybe the first 10 girls.

Side question, is there any true cruise ships that go out from the phillipines? I know there's ships to palawan and what not that you sleep on for one night. I'm thinking something more like Carnival or what not with gambling and maybe a little further destination. I probably won't leave angeles city, but I'd still like to plan and put intention to going to cebu or palawan. If I don't bring back a couple photos of the beach my wife might be extra pissed. I am torn between a month long trip Back to Dominican Republic or an AC / Pattaya combo trip for a month. I've been to the DR twice in the past 6 months and love it and the people.

Never been to AC / Pattaya and could actually go there cheaper than a month in DR. I can get to MNL on a direct 10 hr flight from my location. DR 2 layover trip around 15 hrs. So. What should I do? I don't know.

Slippery
06-29-11, 02:23
I don't get it, isn't it legal there? Why would there be a raid and girls taken away? Do the customers get taken also when that happens?Probably a protracted pissing match between the owner of the places and the municipal or federal government. Somebody wants their share or more of their share. Perhaps you don't know how corrupt law enforcement and the judiciary are there. I'm just learning. Just like when LA Cafe was shut down. 10 or 15 million can quickly take care of a problem.

I didn't hear of any kanos being scooped up. Last raid they picked up, I believe a couple of Aussies and a Deutsch. I dunno if anybody really knows what happend to those guys. Hopefully the customers are safe.

Slippery
06-29-11, 02:29
Why are the guys in Wisconsin getting this information first?

Apparently there are two of us. I think David 33 too. That's three.

MadisonGuy
06-29-11, 02:45
Why are the guys in Wisconsin getting this information first?

Apparently there are two of us. I think David 33 too. That's three. I'd love to meet a monger from WI in the Philippines, that would be the shit talking about cheese on the other side of the globe. I could pretend I just walked into a club that happens to have a high number of asian exchange students. Nice!

Slippery
06-29-11, 12:36
I am torn between a month long trip Back to Dominican Republic or an AC / Pattaya combo trip for a month. I've been to the DR twice in the past 6 months and love it and the people.

Never been to AC / Pattaya and could actually go there cheaper than a month in DR. I can get to MNL on a direct 10 hr flight from my location. DR 2 layover trip around 15 hrs. So. What should I do? I don't know. I had a home just outside of Sosua for a number of years. DR is much more convenient for me to get to. AA has a 6:00 a. M. Out of Chicago to Miama and then an 11:30 a. M. Miami to Puerto Plata. From Chicago to Manila its about 20 hours if I catch the flights right. Given those considerations, DR is much more convenient, but for overall experience I highly prefer PI.

MadisonGuy
06-29-11, 13:59
I am torn between a month long trip Back to Dominican Republic or an AC / Pattaya combo trip for a month. I've been to the DR twice in the past 6 months and love it and the people.

Never been to AC / Pattaya and could actually go there cheaper than a month in DR. I can get to MNL on a direct 10 hr flight from my location. DR 2 layover trip around 15 hrs. So. What should I do? I don't know. I just had the same situation, although between Costa Rica and AC. I hope I made the right decision and picked AC. I'm not a DR fan, from the pictures I've seen the girls tend to be not my type. Plus from forums it seems quite a bit more expensive.

Bundanko
06-29-11, 14:43
Is it really that easy? I've been torn between a trip to latin america or asia in a couple weeks. I prefer latin women but kind of get sick of their mood swings, I guess it's worth it or I wouldn't put up with it. Anyway in just 1 week I've already got 2 girls lined up to spend every minute with me when I get there, both are very attractive 18-21 which I'm around 30 so for me that's perfect. It just almost seems too easy, like it doesn't really seem fair. And this may sound stupid but I have to ask, but why bother going to a working girl house when it's so easy to pick up girls there? Now I haven't been so maybe I just got lucky and had 2 beautiful girls drop out of the sky through the internet and that will not be the norm. But I am kind of told that is the norm from a buddy that is over there. I know I will be in the clubs regardless of how many girls I meet, but I can't see spending a bunch of time if I have a half dozen girls that are the real girlfriend experience. One of the girls I'm talking to insists that she's not good enough and wants to bring her hot friends along too, now in the US that would be a trap to see if you like the girl, but maybe she really does want to introduce me to a bunch of hotties. Can it be true, can a place like this really exist? Have they not yet learned that our dollar will soon be so weak that we will be asking their country for money. I can't wait to find out, I just hope it doesn't rain everyday or I get killed by a tsunami.Too good to be true. Next they will ask you to lend them money. If you are not on web cam the pictures they upload might not belong to them.

MadisonGuy
06-29-11, 15:27
Too good to be true. Next they will ask you to lend them money. If you are not on web cam the pictures they upload might not belong to them.Yeah I'm apprehensive, but both girls I have seen on webcam. One of them I offered to buy a webcam for and she insisted she buy it herself. I've dated lots of girls from lots of countries and I'm pretty good about covering my bases. I also have a handful of girls working for me in phillipines who are cute, but not to the level I would need since I'm not that attracted to asian girls. All those girls would come visit me if I asked, which leads me to believe that maybe it is a pretty easy thing. I've only been to South Korea and the girls there hated Americans, atleast in Seoul down south they were a little more friendly.

Twice Divorced
06-29-11, 23:10
I am torn between a month long trip Back to Dominican Republic or an AC / Pattaya combo trip for a month. What should I do? I don't know.Kitie, I read your report on the DR board. Good stuff. If you've never been to Pattaya, GO! If you think Sosua is something, which I did my first few trips, you'll be blown away by Pattaya.

ThatGuy865
06-29-11, 23:20
I don't get it, isn't it legal there? Why would there be a raid and girls taken away? Do the customers get taken also when that happens?Just so you know. Prostitution is NOT legal in the PI. And there is a big push to stop [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). Hence the raids on the bars. In the old days it was about payoffs. Local police raided the bars. Now a days there is political pressure on the PI to clean up AC. Now its the NBI raiding the bars from Manila. Similar to our FBI. . Several bar workers are still in jail from the last bar raided and that was earlier this year.

Jbiz979
06-29-11, 23:25
I met a few filipinas online it seems that you can have sex with them for free (relatively free) you might buy some rice for the family and take them out but you won't have to pay them per lay. So I guess my question is. Are you guys paying for the convenience of not having to really converse with them or paying them to leave? In other words your paying to not have to deal with them after you lay them.

ThatGuy865
06-29-11, 23:39
Just so you guys know 3 foreigners were arrested in the raids this week

AN Australian man could be jailed for life in the Philippines on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) charges following raids on a notorious red-light district in which 100 women were rescued, police say.

Three bars in the northern city of Angeles that were known to be fronts for prostitution were raided last night, according to a statement from national police headquarters in Manila.

A number of other foreigners were also arrested after they were found having sex with some of the women and would face less severe charges than [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), the statement said.

The manager of the Sunshine Bar, Australian Terrence James Smith, was detained, while about 100 female sex workers were rescued from the three establishments, the statement said.

Police said Mr Smith would be charged with [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), which carries a maximum prison term of life.

One police officer involved in the raid, who asked not to be named, said the other foreigners who were picked up were two Americans and a Japanese.

http://www.news.com.au/world/aussie-accused-of-[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909)/story-e6frfkyi-1226084398518

ManonsanBoy
06-29-11, 23:41
Those of you in Angeles; how is the action what with all those raids?

MadisonGuy
06-29-11, 23:54
I met a few filipinas online it seems that you can have sex with them for free (relatively free) you might buy some rice for the family and take them out but you won't have to pay them per lay. So I guess my question is. Are you guys paying for the convenience of not having to really converse with them or paying them to leave? In other words your paying to not have to deal with them after you lay them.I had pretty much the same post, one wants to pick me up at the airport. I was like hold on I want to monger when I get off the plane. Ha ha. I think most guys on the forum are doing a little of both. From what I'm told it's pretty damn easy to pick them up there. I can't wait to find out if that holds true, I thought it was easy in South America but it seems that it may be easier in asia.

Jbiz979
06-30-11, 00:37
I had pretty much the same post, one wants to pick me up at the airport. I was like hold on I want to monger when I get off the plane. Ha ha. I think most guys on the forum are doing a little of both. From what I'm told it's pretty damn easy to pick them up there. I can't wait to find out if that holds true, I thought it was easy in South America but it seems that it may be easier in asia.Much easier than Latin America and there isn't the issue of a language barrier. Yea I have one picking me up at the airport she is an RN and works at a call center, English is perfect works evenings and late afternoons maybe a keeper. My evenings are my own. I have another in Makati super cute 21 PERFECT English total play girl had sex with a Canadian a couple years back and now wants some American which I am more than happy to supply. Lastly a virgin from the Calamba province about an hour away from manila Huge breast. I'm arriving August 3rd will be there for only 2 weeks. I envy you Canadians and European with your month long vacations its a Mortal Sin in America to do more than two weeks. If any of you mongers are around during that time message me.

Kitie Carson
06-30-11, 01:35
I had a home just outside of Sosua for a number of years. DR is much more convenient for me to get to. AA has a 6:00 a. M. Out of Chicago to Miama and then an 11:30 a. M. Miami to Puerto Plata. From Chicago to Manila its about 20 hours if I catch the flights right. Given those considerations, DR is much more convenient, but for overall experience I highly prefer PI.After pricing it out, I could do BOTH AC and Pattaya for less than a month in DR. The hotels are the BIG difference as it is alot cheaper in Asia. Looking at 9/4 for 2 weeks in AC then flying to Pattay for 2 weeks. Anyone else there, would love to meet as I am a newbie to Asia. Veteran of Costa Rica and DR.

Undercoverh
06-30-11, 02:14
I open my paper this morning in HK to read the following! I was planning to take a trip there next month, but WTF is this. I have been to all of the clubs before, I am surprised about this raid. Maybe, the owners did not make the payoffs on time to the police. Any thoughts on this subject? Should I change my plans?

MANILA, Philippines—A hundred female sex workers, some of whom displayed 'V' tags indicating they were virgins, were rescued, and five foreigners were arrested, in raids on three night clubs in Angeles City Tuesday night, the police said Wednesday.

The Philippine National Police's Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) said anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) operatives rescued the women in successive raids on the Sunshine Bar, the Blue Nile and the Golden Nile night clubs along Fields Avenue in Barangay Balibago.

'The women don't really consider it a rescue, ' said CIDG Women and Children's Protection Desk (WCPD) head Supt. Emma Libunao, who led the raids. 'They kept cursing us, and tried their best to escape. '

She said the women had the same story: 'They were mostly from Mindanao. They were promised jobs as factory worker, waitress or sales lady. '

Upon arriving in the city, 'they would wait tables at first, then before long, they would start entertaining guests at the table, ' Libunao recounted. She said she assumed that some of the rescued women were below 18. 'Or they were taught to say they're 18, ' she said.

Undercover agents posing as customers were even offered the services of girls with the 'V' labels.

'They called it 'cherry popping. ' They'the say, 'I'm a virgin so I'm more expensive, ' Libunao revealed, adding that one of the girls claimed she was only 16, and charged P100, 000 for her favors.

The operation was conducted by combined forces of the Department of Justice's Inter-Agency Council Against Trafficking, the Department of Social Welfare and Development and the CIDG.

Earlier, the raid on the Sunshine Bar resulted in the rescue of 17 sex workers and the arrest of the floor manager, Terrence James Smith, an Australian. He was positively identified by one of the sex workers.

Libunao said the others arrested included three Americans and a Japanese, although one of the Americans had already been released. She did not identify them.

In a statement, the CIDG director, Chief Supt. Samuel Pagdilao Jr, said the successive raids in Angeles City's red light district bolstered the US government's recognition of the Philippines' commitment to combating [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).

The Philippines has been taken off a watch list of the US State Department's Trafficking in Persons Report and elevated to Tier 2, a category of countries that do not fully comply with anti-trafficking standards but are making efforts to do so.

'[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) in the country and elsewhere around the world has grave consequences for the safety, welfare and human rights of the women, men and children who are trafficked for the exploitation of their bodies and their labor, ' Pagdilao said.

He said the CIDG was the lead police unit mandated to suppress, eradicate and prevent such illegal activities and would continue its conduct of surveillance operations and raids on 'alleged untouchable sex joints and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) dens' like those in Angeles.

City.

Edward M
06-30-11, 02:52
Those of you in Angeles; how is the action what with all those raids?Last night a little subdued. In some bars they told me that the girls were wearing more clothes and they were not letting the customers get as friendly as normal.

MadisonGuy
06-30-11, 03:30
Last night a little subdued. In some bars they told me that the girls were wearing more clothes and they were not letting the customers get as friendly as normal.And my first trip is coming up this sucks, does this mean they move to another area? Will more be in Manila now?

MauiDude
06-30-11, 04:11
I open my paper this morning in HK to read the following! I was planning to take a trip there next month, but WTF is this. I have been to all of the clubs before, I am surprised about this raid. Maybe, the owners did not make the payoffs on time to the police. Any thoughts on this subject? Should I change my plans?

MANILA, Philippines—A hundred female sex workers, some of whom displayed 'V' tags indicating they were virgins, were rescued, and five foreigners were arrested, in raids on three night clubs in Angeles City Tuesday night, the police said Wednesday.

The Philippine National Police's Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) said anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) operatives rescued the women in successive raids on the Sunshine Bar, the Blue Nile and the Golden Nile night clubs along Fields Avenue in Barangay Balibago.

She said the women had the same story: 'They were mostly from Mindanao. They were promised jobs as factory worker, waitress or sales lady.

Earlier, the raid on the Sunshine Bar resulted in the rescue of 17 sex workers and the arrest of the floor manager, Terrence James Smith, an Australian. He was positively identified by one of the sex workers.

'[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) in the country and elsewhere around the world has grave consequences for the safety, welfare and human rights of the women, men and children who are trafficked for the exploitation of their bodies and their labor, ' Pagdilao said.

He said the CIDG was the lead police unit mandated to suppress, eradicate and prevent such illegal activities and would continue its conduct of surveillance operations and raids on 'alleged untouchable sex joints and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) dens' like those in Angeles.

City.I have been in angeles for four years now.

I expect many more raids and extortion of the bar owners?

Reading the papers and news reports it seems important for the philippine government to have arrests and convictions for.

[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). (dog and pony show by the philippine governement to keep getting money from the USA government)

Also the police do it for extortion and bonus money to look the other way.

How do the girls get a license from the mayor and a clearance from nbi and then the owner of the bar get arrested?

So far many bars seem to be business as usual?

But I am not spending much time in the bars right now.

A lot of uncertainty as to what they will do?

Read in news reports the spokesman for the president of Philippines says they will keep the pressure on. (this was said in a general way, against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). Without specifics. Which means to me they still need the scape goats.

Of the bar owners.)

\so you can still have fun here just be very careful.

I hear that the owner of these clubs was also drivng a ferrarri? And showing off that he had lots of money?

Not sure that is true but you are more of a target if the local criminals and police see you with more.

MauiDude
06-30-11, 04:21
Those of you in Angeles; how is the action what with all those raids?Still lots of action. But I would be very careful. I think you got to worry more about infections from the girls then the police.

Arresting you.

Hahahah.

But the girls are everywhere and eager to please.

And the police are hiding ready to extort anyone they can.

There was also a murder at the welcome inn.

Next to forbidden city.

So yes its dangerous here but dangerous all over the world.

Many girls ready willing and able to take care of you.

Lots of girls on the street. I just don't spend a lot of time in the bars right now.

Matius
06-30-11, 04:35
i open my paper this morning in hk to read the following! i was planning to take a trip there next month, but wtf is this. i have been to all of the clubs before, i am surprised about this raid. maybe, the owners did not make the payoffs on time to the police. any thoughts on this subject? should i change my plans?it had nothing to do with payoffs. richard agnew the owner of golden nile was the self proclaimed president of abac, the bar owners group. he was the bag man to the government officials, if any bar was funding the officials, it was richard.

as you know the government is corrupt, and the press is equally so. the story you show is propaganda supported by the government officials, it does not represent the facts.

sunshine bar was raided on a labor claim. due to lack of funds, they did not have enough money to pay their girls / staff. the mother of one of the girls went to channel 5 news to complain. channel 5 thought it would be good news to raid a foreign owned bar. the mother was not concerned about her daughter being a prostitute, she was mad her daughter was not sending home the money. who is the pimp and human trafficer? because the bar was not paying their girls the full salary, the police trumped up human trafficing charges, in essence claiming the girls were being forced into prostitution / work as slave laborers. forget the fact if the girls did not like being there they could have gone to any bar on the street and gotten a new job. forget the fact that non-payment of wages is a labor claim, not a human trafficing offense. forget the fact that sunshine bar will be the first business in the philippines who is insolvent and unable to pay their bills and rather than a labor claim will be charged with human trafficing. 16 girls, including the bar manager were taken out of sunshine. now they are going to file human trafficing with a life sentence, against a guy who earns 20 dollars a day as greeter for foreign guests. all because the bar is bankrupt (or maybe hard times) and can't pay everyone's wages. think about how many usa and european companies went bust in the latest economic crisis, guess they all were involved in human trafficing. the idiot usa ambassador shakes his head yes.

golden nile was raided, so stated for having **** girls. there is some confusion on this point, as the mission order is reported to have been made against blue nile (different owners and different bar) , but word on the street was the police were confused by the similarity in names. so off they go to raid golden nile, but the girls did not want to be "saved", rather they rushed the police and doors (the police were trying to barracade them inside the building) , some 200 girls escaped the police. further funny things, the police did manage to corral some 100 girls on a couple of buses. as one of the buses hit macarthur avenue, the girls figured out the emergency exit at the back was unlocked, some sixty girls started jumping out of the bus on macarthur, with police running all over the place trying to catch them. a very funny sight. in both escapes from the police, filipino bystanders were clapping, hollering and laughing at the police.

the police pissed off at both successful escapes, and faced with empty buses, then turned around and raided blue nile and cambodia bars, very few taken as most of the smarter bars had closed by this time.

the news paper article is complete bullshit for the local do gooders and the usa ambassador (an individual so stupid it defies logic on how he got his job). the girls walk in fear of the police, not the bar owners. being taken by the police means they will be locked up in jail for a long time, stories include being given only a half a bowl of rice a day, forced confessions in order to be released (forced to implicate the owner / managers / mamasans of the bars) , sexual harrassment from the police officers, made to pay money for release. human trafficing is sponsored and owned by the very same government officials who are elected to protect their citizens. everyone knows it is the filipino bars / brothels / massage parlors owned by these government officials that run **** girls and boys, its the government officials that own the agents who process the passports and documents for sending workers out of the country to the sex trade or indentured servitude. everyone except the idiot usa ambassador.

MauiDude
06-30-11, 04:38
I don't get it, isn't it legal there? Why would there be a raid and girls taken away? Do the customers get taken also when that happens?I understand that prostitution is illegal here. But the girls get a license from the mayor and clearance from nbi to work the clubs.

So its the pay for time entertainment and companionship and what ever else happens between consenting adults then that is the way it is. Everybody looks the other way as they all get paid off and its tradition.

But the USA government has put pressure on the Philippines government to show they are fighting [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).

So now the government needs numbers, arrests and convictions to show the USA government.

Also the police can use the clubs to extort money from the owners since they are doing things that everyone knows what they are doing and they accept it as it supports families and individual filipinas and filipinos.

Good source of money. But I understand that technically some of it is illegal. (if prostitution happens) and so they are on the edge of legality all ready. This will make them an easy target for extortion.

Then if they have minors that is also technically a big deal if they want money or someone complains.

If you pay off the right people then they will look the other way for anything you do. That is the way this country operates.

But the other factor is the USA government providing funds to the pi government and telling them they need to do dog and pony shows for the money.

I have not heard of foreign customers arrsted yet? But who knows what the plans are as the bars are the target for the police.

To get payoffs and you become an easy target for extortion. Also as the pi president is under pressure to show numbers of arrests and convictions then the bars are an easy target.

FreebieFan
06-30-11, 04:46
it had nothing to do with payoffs.richard agnew the owner of golden nile was the self proclaimed president of abac, the bar owners group.he was the bag man to the government officials, if any bar was funding the officials, it was richard.

as you know the government is corrupt, and the press is equally so.the story you show is propaganda supported by the government officials, it does not represent the facts.

sunshine bar was raided on a labor claim.due to lack of funds, they did not have enough money to pay their girls / staff.the mother of one of the girls went to channel 5 news to complain.channel 5 thought it would be good news to raid a foreign owned bar.the mother was not concerned about her daughter being a prostitute, she was mad her daughter was not sending home the money.who is the pimp and human trafficer? because the bar was not paying their girls the full salary, the police trumped up human trafficing charges, in essence claiming the girls were being forced into prostitution / work as slave laborers.forget the fact if the girls did not like being there they could have gone to any bar on the street and gotten a new job.forget the fact that non-payment of wages is a labor claim, not a human trafficing offense.forget the fact that sunshine bar will be the first business in the philippines who is insolvent and unable to pay their bills and rather than a labor claim will be charged with human trafficing.16 girls, including the bar manager were taken out of sunshine.now they are going to file human trafficing with a life sentence, against a guy who earns 20 dollars a day as greeter for foreign guests.all because the bar is bankrupt (or maybe hard times) and can't pay everyone's wages.think about how many usa and european companies went bust in the latest economic crisis, guess they all were involved in human trafficing.the idiot usa ambassador shakes his head yes.

golden nile was raided, so stated for having **** girls.there is some confusion on this point, as the mission order is reported to have been made against blue nile (different owners and different bar) , but word on the street was the police were confused by the similarity in names.so off they go to raid golden nile, but the girls did not want to be "saved", rather they rushed the police and doors (the police were trying to barracade them inside the building) , some 200 girls escaped the police.further funny things, the police did manage to corral some 100 girls on a couple of buses.as one of the buses hit macarthur avenue, the girls figured out the emergency exit at the back was unlocked, some sixty girls started jumping out of the bus on macarthur, with police running all over the place trying to catch them.a very funny sight.in both escapes from the police, filipino bystanders were clapping, hollering and laughing at the police.

the police pissed off at both successful escapes, and faced with empty buses, then turned around and raided blue nile and cambodia bars, very few taken as most of the smarter bars had closed by this time.

the news paper article is complete bullshit for the local do gooders and the usa ambassador (an individual so stupid it defies logic on how he got his job).the girls walk in fear of the police, not the bar owners.being taken by the police means they will be locked up in jail for a long time, stories include being given only a half a bowl of rice a day, forced confessions in order to be released (forced to implicate the owner / managers / mamasans of the bars) , sexual harrassment from the police officers, made to pay money for release.human trafficing is sponsored and owned by the very same government officials who are elected to protect their citizens.everyone knows it is the filipino bars / brothels / massage parlors owned by these government officials that run **** girls and boys, its the government officials that own the agents who process the passports and documents for sending workers out of the country to the sex trade or indentured servitude.everyone except the idiot usa ambassador.outstanding summary of events from a member who clearly knows what he is talking about.keystone kops comes to mind lol.

in the inquirer is a report the events with the attention grabbing headline of " girls rescued!".further into the article one of the ladies from social welfare doing the rescuing freely admits " the girls actually don't want rescuing!".and theres the reality.the do gooders think they are doing good.all they are doing is upsetting everyone, but thier good work satisfies their "do good mentality".in a world with good karma, they will return in next life as a big boobed girl working in angeles.lol

MauiDude
06-30-11, 04:53
[QUOTE=Matius; 1171403]It had nothing to do with payoffs.Richard Agnew the owner of Golden Nile was the self proclaimed president of ABAC, the bar owners group.He was the bag man to the government officials, if any bar was funding the officials, it was Richard.

As you know the government is corrupt, and the press is equally so.The story you show is propaganda supported by the government officials, it does not represent the facts.

End quote.

I totally agree with you that it is all propaganda.And is also done for someone to get payoffs.

In this case some of it may also be for the president of the pi to show his USA buddies that he is making arrests on

[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) to keep money from USA flowing? ?

True keystone cops story.Hahaha.Sounds funny about the girls running away.Yes the girls come here to support their familiels and to make some money.They voluntarily come here to work.I do not believe that they are forced into any of this.

Go to USA and see how many massage parlors sell extras with illegals from China.What is the USA doing?

All propaganda but still there is a financial risk for any one here to get caught in the bs

Brymor
06-30-11, 05:18
I am a having my first ever visit to AC next month, I guess I am curious and want to see first hand what the place is like, All these reports of police raids are quite worrying and the very last thing I want, is to be relaxing in an AC bar with a cold beer only to find myself scooped up in a raid and hauled off to jail.

I guess my question is this; are customers at risk of being arrested by the police in these raids? I see from one report two Americans and one Japanese man were arrested which did concern me and I don't want my trip or my life ruined by exposing myself to any unecessary risks?

Luckily I am meeting a group of girls in AC so I can if necessary still have a fun there, but I did also want to experience some of the bars and night life but feel nervous after reading these reports.

Your views welcomed?

MauiDude
06-30-11, 05:26
I am a having my first ever visit to AC next month, I guess I am curious and want to see first hand what the place is like, All these reports of raids are quite worrying and the very last thing I want, is to be relaxing in an AC bar with a cold beer only to find myself scooped up in a raid and hauled off to jail.

I guess my question is this; are customers at risk of being arrested by the police in these raids? I see from one report two Americans and one Japanese man were arrested which did concern me and I don't want my trip or my life ruined by exposing myself to any unecessary risks?

Your views welcomed?I have been in angeles for about four years?

With all the raids I have not heard of one confirmed report of a customer to a bar going to jail/

But I did read the paper and wonder if they might be trying to get the customers?

Right now I don't worry so much about that. Being in a bar and having the police take me. But I think if you got a girl on your lap or undercover police see you doing something you are at more risk?

Or if by accident a minor is tallking to you? Then maybe your risk is higher?

I still bar hop and have friends going out to the bars and no worry so far?

But be careful. And yes my level of paranoia has increased here. But the girls are so much fun here.

Ekspat
06-30-11, 06:07
The Philippine National Police's Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) said anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) operatives rescued the women in successive raids on the Sunshine Bar, the Blue Nile and the Golden Nile night clubs along Fields Avenue in Barangay Balibago.Sunshine bar on Fields? Since when? Wasn't it Cambodia Club? I saw it closed yesterday.

Spent a week there and had good fun, maybe I was just lucky.Now again Makati.

Cheers!

Undercoverh
06-30-11, 07:23
Thanks guys for all the feedback and good info here in reponse to my posting on this subject and newspaper info I provided.Well, I guess I cannot risk it.I work for a government agency in HK and I could kiss my job goodbye if I get sent to jail over some BS raid in AC.Just not worth the risk for me.

I have a few nice ladies in Manila that are sweet and will do me FS and GFE.I meet them at different times during the week.I take them out to dinner and movies and treat them nice.No pay for sex here.Well not if you do not count dinner and the movie cost.But, they want to get married and all that BS and have a long term relationship.I met them through the Filipina websites.Both of them have kids, and these moms love the attention and really know how to treat a man.Actually, I am strating to like the Filipinas in their 30s that have been mistreated by the Filipino guys.These ladies, at least the onece I have met, really treat you nice, when you are nice and respectful of them.

I was getting tired of the Filipina dating action, so I thought I could just go to AC and have some fun with no attachment.But, having my girlfriends and put up with a little attachment for a few days sounds better than being in a raid.

By the way, I do not know if I have been just lucky, or these Filipinas are horny, but I have met a ton of Filipinas on the Filipino cupid website and the cherry blossoms website.The younger girls are too much trouble.Wanting cell phones, money, etc.But a few young ones (over 18) are nice and will do you when they fall in love with you.But for sure, the older ones in their 30s and 40s with kids love the attention and will do you (at least in my experience) on the first date.

One filipina woman I have known for three 3 years , did me on the first date with no condom. I really took a chance doing that, but she was a working mom with two kids and very little time for dating. She claimed she had not had sex since her husband left her and the kids 4 years ago. I licked her cherry and it looked clean and it was so cute. After I put my willie in her, I believed she had not had sexy for a long time.....she was so tight. Wow, a woman in her 30s and tight like a cherry girl! Wow. BBBJ, CIM. And this time, she will let me do her in her ass. Man, she really want to please me.

I went to Manila 3 months ago, this new lady I had met from one of the Filipina websites. The lady met me at my hotel and she had a big bag with her.I did my standard Mr.Nice Guy, dinner, movies, you are so cute and sweet BS line I tell them.At the end of the date she came up to my room.In a sweet voice, she asked."do you mind if I stay with you to night." I said, of course, yes.Then she takes her big bag and pulls out her night cloths, tooth brush, hair spary, etc.Now, I understood what the big bag was for.She had been planning this before she met me for the first date.I was surprised becasue she claimed to go to chruch every Sunday and she was a youth leader at her chruch.Well, I guess chruch girls need to get laid too. Well, she wanted to do it with no condom...hum, this time I used a condom. All of the Filipinas that I met that are older want to have sex with no condom. I guess it is based on their experience with the Filipino guys who never wear a condom with girlfriends.

Man, I love those Filipinas! Hot and sexy LBFM!

Zona12
06-30-11, 07:34
-SNIP-

I went to Manila 3 months ago, the lady met me at my hotel and she had a big bag with her. I did my standard Mr. Nice Guy, dinner, movies, you are so cute and sweet BS line I tell them. At the end of the date she came up to my room. In a sweet voice, she asked."do you mind if I stay with you to night." I said, of course, yes. Then she takes her big bag and pulls out her night cloths, tooth brush, hair spary, etc. Now, I understood what the big bag was for. She had been planning this before she met me for the first date. I was surprised becasue she claimed to go to chruch every Sunday and she was a youth leader at her chruch. Well, I guess chruch girls need to get laid too.

Man, I love those Filipinas! Hot and sexy LBFM!Good story Undovercoverh. I'm willing to bet she hasn't been "Home" for several days and probably hangs out at Manila Bay Cafe!

Nvslim
06-30-11, 09:39
Good story Undovercoverh. I'm willing to bet she hasn't been "Home" for several days and probably hangs out at Manila Bay Cafe!Why do guys stroll into the forums and want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on everybody's parade.

Zona has never met the woman, knows nothing about her and spews crap like this.

Just be happy for the guy having the good time with a nice woman he likes and not slam him because you are not.

Slim

Slippery
06-30-11, 11:19
Information from another website indicates that 2 American and 2 Japanese guys were arrested at Golden Nile. They were taken to Manila and released about a day later.

Undercoverh
06-30-11, 14:39
Why do guys stroll into the forums and want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on everybody's parade.

Zona has never met the woman, knows nothing about her and spews crap like this.

Just be happy for the guy having the good time with a nice woman he likes and not slam him because you are not.

SlimThanks for your comments and I agree with you. He assumes every Filipina that dates a guy from another country and will have sex with the guy on the first date must be pay-4-pay. And of course, that is not the case in every situation. As for the women I meet, I have video chatted and emailed with them for several weekes or months. The older women have NEVER asked for money. Yap, it you count the dinner and movie cost, I spend only about P1, 000 for the evening for a full wonder GFE including sex 2 to 4 times each day.

The fact is simple, there are millions of Filipinas in the Philippines that NEVER get married, may have children, and in their 30s. 40, 50s, that are lonely and want some nice guy to treat them nice and love them (ya, I do not really love them, with the expecition of the one I have known for 3 years). The Filipino guys are know for treeating the Filipinas like crap, giving them babies and leaving them. Some of the women I have had sex with on the first date are professional women. This includes school teachers and medicial professionals. Between working a full time job, taking care of children, they simply do not have time to hang out at L. A. Cafe in Manila. Ya, sure, some of the them may if times get hard. But, for sure, not all of them.

For guys in the know, the Philippines is a gold mine of women that never P4P and just want to have some nice guy treat them special. And in exchange for that, they will provide a wonderful GFE time and time again over many years. Currently, I have about 5 I see from time to time when I travel to the Philippines. Ya, someitmes I am not in the mood for GFE, I just want to shot my load and go and pay. But as I get older, I am getting tired of paying for sex all the time. It is nice to have girls who really like you and are not getting laid by different guys many times during the week.

The downside to dating these girls is that you have to spend time chatting with them on skype or yahoo m. Sometimes, I am not in the mood, but other times it is wonderful to have a girl waiting for your video call and really excited to talking to you and be sweet with you while you are video chatting with you. Ya, I have met their kids, and some of them are really nice kids. And yes, I have taking the kiid out with the mom sometimes. But, I find that this helps ensure she will give you great sex. Why, she is so happy that a guy will spend a few bucks on her kids, when the fateher never sees the kids. What I do with these ladies is not for everyone. When I was younger, I was pay for sex only type of guy. I have lived in Asia for 20 years, so I have been to all the spots and had sex for pay with a ton of Asian women. But, as I stated, as I get older, it is nice to have a women that will have great GFE sex with you and never ask for a dime. Also, I really do enjoy going out with them on dates. They get really dressed up and they are proud to be seen with a guy from another country. All in all, it has been an enjoyable experience for me.

Oh, and by the way, if I do meet a girl and she talkes about money in anyway when I first chat with her online (e. g, need cell phone, my parents are sick and no money, etc) I will never have conttact with her again. I only keep the ones that never talk about money, are sweet, loving, and horny! Also, if they do not have sex with me on the second date, I will never contact them again. Also, if we have sex and she does not give me a BBBJ by the second time we have sex again, on the second date, I will not contact here again. I really enjoy BBBJ and having sex without it is not enjoyable to me.

Also, and most important, if she does not bring up the issue of love making while we are emailing or chatting over several weeks, I wil drop her....she is not for me. Therefore, by the time I meet them in person, we would playfully talked about being in love and making love. I always let them bring up the subject first. I just paly the nice guy role who is looking for a sweet lady to spend my life with.....hay, so, I am an actor with them.....don't judge me for it. Having these standards helps me avoid wasting time and money! Happy hunting to all....and be safe out there!

Amjeck
06-30-11, 18:37
The fact is simple, there are millions of Filipinas in the Philippines that NEVER get married, may have children, and in their 30s. 40, 50s, that are lonely and want some nice guy to treat them nice and love themVery true, but how many mongers are actually interested in flying half way across the world to fuck old women? Can't you get that for free in your home country as well?

MadisonGuy
06-30-11, 19:12
Very true, but how many mongers are actually interested in flying half way across the world to fuck old women? Can't you get that for free in your home country as well?Maybe it's for diversity. Now certainly I am too young to be screwing anything over 35, but as I get older I would probably like to have a girl in every decade to mix it up a little. I remember when I was 21 I thought I would never in my life be attracted to a 30 year old, even at 60 I thought I would only like 16-22, but I guess that changes with age. I can still date 18-20 year olds in the US, but I get sick of the maturity level and sick of the same girl. Plus the 1st week of a relationship is definetely the best, I would much rather prefer to go on a vacation to a beautiful island with a girl I just met than with my wife or long time girlfriend who will probably ruin it with bitching about something I said wrong or some girl I checked out too much. The perfect vacation would be one where I had like 3-4 girls waiting incase any one irritates me and can just call for another. I will say some of the mongers are making it harder for the next guy though, I have talked to a couple girls that got burned. You need to know to break up with a girl the same way you need to know how to pick them up. Ruining them for the next guy is just kind of immature.

Sky Ryder
06-30-11, 20:21
Maybe it's for diversity. Now certainly I am too young to be screwing anything over 35, but as I get older I would probably like to have a girl in every decade to mix it up a little. I remember when I was 21 I thought I would never in my life be attracted to a 30 year old, even at 60 I thought I would only like 16-22, but I guess that changes with age. I can still date 18-20 year olds in the US, but I get sick of the maturity level and sick of the same girl. Plus the 1st week of a relationship is definetely the best, I would much rather prefer to go on a vacation to a beautiful island with a girl I just met than with my wife or long time girlfriend who will probably ruin it with bitching about something I said wrong or some girl I checked out too much. The perfect vacation would be one where I had like 3-4 girls waiting incase any one irritates me and can just call for another. I will say some of the mongers are making it harder for the next guy though, I have talked to a couple girls that got burned. You need to know to break up with a girl the same way you need to know how to pick them up. Ruining them for the next guy is just kind of immature.Madison,

I am sure that as you travel around the Fils, you will hear many stories about how some guy promised some girl the moon, and then left after getting what he came for, I know it happens. I would also be careful about believing all that you hear. I know from personal experience that trying to "be a nice guy" and "letting them down gently" doesn't always work very well. As they say the line between love and hate is very thin and both are strong emotions. I have known a few Fils gals, that no matter what you did or said, only heard what they wanted to hear or thought that giving you a world class BBBJ would change your mind about marriage, kids, etc. When it didn't they told me I was a bum, asshole, etc.

My experience also indicates that while I wouldn't say never, it is highly unlikely that a gal who is interested in you, will be "ruined" by a former lover. Most of the time it is a way to create more leverage for her and maybe evoke a little sympathy. Just my humble opinion!

Sky

Rob Woodrow
07-01-11, 01:19
How do the girls get a license from the mayor and a clearance from nbi and then the owner of the bar get arrested?That is the key question in all of this. The answer is that the government will not take responsibility for its own actions, so it uses foreigners as scapegoats.

Chocha Monger
07-01-11, 01:50
Maybe it's for diversity. Now certainly I am too young to be screwing anything over 35, but as I get older I would probably like to have a girl in every decade to mix it up a little. I remember when I was 21 I thought I would never in my life be attracted to a 30 year old, even at 60 I thought I would only like 16-22, but I guess that changes with age. I can still date 18-20 year olds in the US, but I get sick of the maturity level and sick of the same girl. Plus the 1st week of a relationship is definetely the best, I would much rather prefer to go on a vacation to a beautiful island with a girl I just met than with my wife or long time girlfriend who will probably ruin it with bitching about something I said wrong or some girl I checked out too much. The perfect vacation would be one where I had like 3-4 girls waiting incase any one irritates me and can just call for another. I will say some of the mongers are making it harder for the next guy though, I have talked to a couple girls that got burned. You need to know to break up with a girl the same way you need to know how to pick them up. Ruining them for the next guy is just kind of immature.Actually, they are 'ruined' long before foreigners come along. The girls usually go looking for a foreigner after some sweet talking Filipino deflowers them then proceeds to boast about it in her village. Even if she was lucky enough to avoid impregnation she has now lost her honor. She will be considered a 'pity woman' and no self-respecting man in her village will marry her. Foreigners, on the other hand, are known to marry bar girls and single mommies. An enterprising girl with a very tight pussy knows she can even convince a foreigner fresh to the scene that she is actually a virgin. You may have noticed the girls will almost always ask if you've been to the Philippines before. Your innocent chats are not so innocent. You're being sized up. For a lot of Filipinas being a 'bad guy' simply means that you didn't start supporting her entire extended family, didn't marry and take her to your country, or failed to hand over your life's earnings after a few sick water buffalo stories. Expect to be lied to on a regular basis. Enjoy the fantasy but remember that only the pussy is real.

MadisonGuy
07-01-11, 01:50
Madison,

I am sure that as you travel around the Fils, you will hear many stories about how some guy promised some girl the moon, and then left after getting what he came for, I know it happens. I would also be careful about believing all that you hear. I know from personal experience that trying to "be a nice guy" and "letting them down gently" doesn't always work very well. As they say the line between love and hate is very thin and both are strong emotions. I have known a few Fils gals, that no matter what you did or said, only heard what they wanted to hear or thought that giving you a world class BBBJ would change your mind about marriage, kids, etc. When it didn't they told me I was a bum, asshole, etc.

My experience also indicates that while I wouldn't say never, it is highly unlikely that a gal who is interested in you, will be "ruined" by a former lover. Most of the time it is a way to create more leverage for her and maybe evoke a little sympathy. Just my humble opinion!

SkyI totally agree, lots of girls just like guys have the tendency to lie. I personally like to always leave the door open to come back and hit it if something changes someday. My biggest worry on this trip is that I take a girl to a nice island, and then I see another girl that I want on the island. I can only hope there won't be any other girls on the island. Because I don't find asian girls goddess like it's hard for me to stay focused with one very long. But only time will tell.

Matius
07-01-11, 03:28
Information from another website indicates that 2 American and 2 Japanese guys were arrested at Golden Nile. They were taken to Manila and released about a day later.Word around town is that customers were taken, the number of customers is only detailed in press accounts. There is some information that some or all customers have been released, although one press account suggests one was released and the rest will be charged with lesser crimes related to paying for sex.

In the past, customers were detained only if they caused a problem to the police or the police were uncertain who might be a foreign manager or owner. But these raids over the last 18 months are different than raids in the past. It appears now the raids are as much for press and proof [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) is being prosecuted. As the police / government seem only interested in prosecuting foreigners, not Filipino, not sure one can expect customers to be safe, or that this is just business as usual as was seen in the past. It does not seem to matter what the bars do to comply with instructions given, the government is continually inventing new ways and charges to justify their actions.

Unlike the UN charter on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), the Philippine charter specifies that prostitution is also [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). The UN charter on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) includes prostitution only if the girl / boy is under the age of 18. The Philippines makes no distinction. As such then, should a person pay for sex under Philippine law, the customer is engaged in [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and the girl is a victim. That does mean, even finding a girl on the famous web sites, could provoke the mother or other family member to file charges against you for [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). Don't think there is safety staying out of the bars, rather think it even more dangerous as one is on his own, versus just being a bystander in a bar that is raided. And as stated, age is not a factor in the Philippine law, should they wish to prosecute.

MadisonGuy
07-01-11, 03:37
Word around town is that customers were taken, the number of customers is only detailed in press accounts. There is some information that some or all customers have been released, although one press account suggests one was released and the rest will be charged with lesser crimes related to paying for sex.

In the past, customers were detained only if they caused a problem to the police or the police were uncertain who might be a foreign manager or owner. But these raids over the last 18 months are different than raids in the past. It appears now the raids are as much for press and proof [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) is being prosecuted. As the police / government seem only interested in prosecuting foreigners, not Filipino, not sure one can expect customers to be safe, or that this is just business as usual as was seen in the past. It does not seem to matter what the bars do to comply with instructions given, the government is continually inventing new ways and charges to justify their actions.

Unlike the UN charter on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), the Philippine charter specifies that prostitution is also [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). The UN charter on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) includes prostitution only if the girl / boy is under the age of 18. The Philippines makes no distinction. As such then, should a person pay for sex under Philippine law, the customer is engaged in [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and the girl is a victim. That does mean, even finding a girl on the famous web sites, could provoke the mother or other family member to file charges against you for [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). Don't think there is safety staying out of the bars, rather think it even more dangerous as one is on his own, versus just being a bystander in a bar that is raided. And as stated, age is not a factor in the Philippine law, should they wish to prosecute.This stuff happens all over the world, don't make it out to be something that it's not. If anything it's safer now than ever because they showed their force and usually it dies down for awhile and a year or two it will happen again. It's not unique to Phillipines.

FreebieFan
07-01-11, 03:53
That is the key question in all of this. The answer is that the government will not take responsibility for its own actions, so it uses foreigners as scapegoats.Actually, we are not foreigners remember. We are " aliens" LOL

Undercoverh
07-01-11, 04:13
Very true, but how many mongers are actually interested in flying half way across the world to fuck old women? Can't you get that for free in your home country as well?You misunderstood my simple point. I did not suggest or recommend guys should fly half way aroound the world to fuck old women. I simly shared my experience of having a ture GFE with nice Filipinas and I do not have to pay for sex. As far as old is concerned, I clearly stated I have had the younger ones, but many are too much trouble. Therefore, I enjoyed the company of ladies in their 30s. 40s, and 50s who really enjoying being with a nice guy and they will provide a good GFE with FS for no exchange of money. Having said that, I do keep one younger one that is sweet and nice. She will be 21 this coming 12/15/11. On my next trip back to Manila, she will stay with me at my hotel for two days. The problem is, she wants to get married and have a family. Yikes, not for me. But I still want to be with her. Maybe I will get an apartment with her and play house for a while.

My life style is not for every man, and I never stated it should be. I only offered anohter option for guys who get tired of paying for sex with women who banged 4 guys in the same day and she will not remember your name the next day. You are just a faceless dick to her. After living in Asia for 20 years, I have had my share of young Asian women that I have paid for. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting P4P down, hey, I still enjoy it sometimes. But, as I staed, as I have aged, I need something a little bit more now, a real GFE that I do not have to pay for. I need to be with a women and when I kiss her, I know she has not sucked 5 dicks that day. I need to be with women now that really want to be with me -- and not for the money. Again, I am not suggesting my current life style is for you or any other guy, I am just sharing my life experience.

FreebieFan
07-01-11, 06:10
He assumes every Filipina that dates a guy from another country and will have sex with the guy on the first date must be pay-4-pay. And of course, that is not the case in every situation. As for the women I meet, I have video chatted and emailed with them for several weekes or months. The older women have NEVER asked for money. Yap, it you count the dinner and movie cost, I spend only about P1, 000 for the evening for a full wonder GFE including sex 2 to 4 times each day.

The fact is simple, there are millions of Filipinas in the Philippines that NEVER get married, may have children, and in their 30s. 40, 50s, that are lonely and want some nice guy to treat them nice and love them (ya, I do not really love them, with the expecition of the one I have known for 3 years). The Filipino guys are know for treeating the Filipinas like crap, giving them babies and leaving them. Some of the women I have had sex with on the first date are professional women. This includes school teachers and medicial professionals. Between working a full time job, taking care of children, they simply do not have time to hang out at L. A. Cafe in Manila. Ya, sure, some of the them may if times get hard. But, for sure, not all of them.

, the Philippines is a gold mine of women that never P4P and just want to have some nice guy treat them special. And in exchange for that, they will provide a wonderful GFE time and time again over many years. Currently, I have about 5 I see from time to time when I travel to the Philippines. Ya, someitmes I am not in the mood for GFE, I just want to shot my load and go and pay. But as I get older, I am getting tired of paying for sex all the time. It is nice to have girls who really like you and are not getting laid by different guys many times during the week.

The downside to dating these girls is that you have to spend time chatting with them on skype or yahoo m. Sometimes, I am not in the mood, but other times it is wonderful to have a girl waiting for your video call and really excited to talking to you and be sweet with you while you are video chatting with you. Ya, I have met their kids, and some of them are really nice kids. And yes, I have taking the kiid out with the mom sometimes. But, I find that this helps ensure she will give you great sex. Why, she is so happy that a guy will spend a few bucks on her kids, when the fateher never sees the kids. What I do with these ladies is not for everyone. When I was younger, I was pay for sex only type of guy. I have lived in Asia for 20 years, so I have been to all the spots and had sex for pay with a ton of Asian women. But, as I stated, as I get older, it is nice to have a women that will have great GFE sex with you and never ask for a dime. Also, I really do enjoy going out with them on dates. They get really dressed up and they are proud to be seen with a guy from another country. All in all, it has been an enjoyable experience for me.

Oh, and by the way, if I do meet a girl and she talkes about money in anyway when I first chat with her online (e. G, need cell phone, my parents are sick and no money, etc) I will never have conttact with her again. I only keep the ones that never talk about money, are sweet, loving, and horny! Also, if they do not have sex with me on the second date, I will never contact them again. Also, if we have sex and she does not give me a BBBJ by the second time we have sex again, on the second date, I will not contact here again. I really enjoy BBBJ and having sex without it is not enjoyable to me.

Also, and most important, if she does not bring up the issue of love making while we are emailing or chatting over several weeks, I wil drop her. She is not for me. Therefore, by the time I meet them in person, we would playfully talked about being in love and making love. I always let them bring up the subject first. I just paly the nice guy role who is looking for a sweet lady to spend my life with. Hay, so, I am an actor with them. Don't judge me for it.Except for the bit about chatting about being in love I think I have just met a direct competitor. LOL. Luckily the pool we both swim in in both big and deep and wide.

Wadman
07-01-11, 11:18
Zona has history of making smart ass irrelevant comments like this especially on the forum that he administrates but over there guys have to kiss his ass for fear of being banned but here on ISG hes going to find the membership not to accommodating.Well said!

The way the forum rules are implemented on "that other forum" where Zona is a moderator is total bullshit. Moderators there take active part in discussions, and are certainly not above taking potshots at other members. If you yap back at Zona, he will pull out his "cannot criticize the moderators in any way, shape or form" card and ban you.

If one of Zona's buddies there calls you names, he ignores it. If you fire back at his cronies, he will once again warn or ban you.


He seems to almost never be able to get to the Philippines but acts if he knows everything about the place.

I have met many women over the years in PI educated and decent but who were just out for little bit of fun and refused all financial compensation after we spent time together.

Maybe the problem is he has never met these types of women.

With that personality we don't have to wonder why.

GoodEnough
07-01-11, 14:23
After living in Asia for 20 years, I have had my share of young Asian women that I have paid for. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting P4P down, hey, I still enjoy it sometimes. But, as I staed, as I have aged, I need something a little bit more now, a real GFE that I do not have to pay for. I need to be with a women and when I kiss her, I know she has not sucked 5 dicks that day. I need to be with women now that really want to be with me -- and not for the money. Again, I am not suggesting my current life style is for you or any other guy, I am just sharing my life experience.Like you, I would never put anyone down for his preferences, but you're right about it's all being different for guys who live here in Asia. Like you, I've been around her for most of the last 20 years, and when not here, then in Africa. Like most guys, I imagine, when I first came out here-to Indonesia and Thailand primarily-I was like a kid in a candy store. I just couldn't wait to grab as many as possible, as often as possible, and invariably as young (within legal limits) as possible. But with increasing age, and with a more "been there, done that" attitude, your perspective changes and it becomes important, most of the time to be with someone who is fun to be around-to whom you can talk, laugh and do something other than screw. I'm sure it's different when you're consigned for 50 weeks a year to the cold, cold Western world and only have a couple of weeks into which you have to cram a year's worth of fun.

GE

Amjeck
07-01-11, 14:29
The girls usually go looking for a foreigner after some sweet talking Filipino deflowers them then proceeds to boast about it in her village. Even if she was lucky enough to avoid impregnation she has now lost her honor. She will be considered a 'pity woman' and no self-respecting man in her village will marry her. Foreigners, on the other hand, are known to marry bar girls and single mommies.Yah, the ones seeking foreigners usually are undesirable for the pinos. Lets face it any fresh piece of ass is already scooped up by the locals and once that piece of ass becomes rotten it becomes available on the market for foreigners. Foreigners in all parts of asia are fed the left-overs. Pure and simple. This is Asia!

LoveAsianWhores
07-01-11, 15:12
i was in blue nile last night. i had just paid for a ladies drink when the waitress says i have to pay for my drink right now, the lady has to leave, but she will right back when she puts on her clothes. so i pay, but the girl does not come back. then everyone leaves, and then the police rush in. was i pissed. they knew that a raid was coming, but they were more concerned with ripping me off for 250 pesos. so i lost my cool, which i am very carefull not to do in angeles as it is never a good idea, but i couldn't help it. i start telling the police that i was just ripped of for 250 pesos and i want it back. if blue nile feels it is a good idea to rip of customers right before a raid, maybe the customer can cause a problem for blue nile. obviously, not a wise strategy, but like i said, i was pissed. the cops all surround me wanting to know what happened, but at that point, someone gives me my 250 pesos, and i am happy so i just leave. not sure what type of manager trains the waitresses to rip off customers right before the cops show up. that is one manager that should certainly be locked up. in an insane asylum.

anyway, regarding the recent raids. i do not belive their any foreigners that were not suspected of being managers of the bars were arrested. in the many years of reading about angles raids, they have never bothered customers, and none of the other sites, including harry the horse, indicated that customers were bothered in these raid either (but if i am wrong, please post a link). angeles patrons have sometimes been setup under different circumstances, but when the police show up at a bar, they are never interested in the customers.

also, while it is well known that this all about corrupt police getting money from the bars, they don't pick these bars at random. if there was one bar that hired that **** girls, then it would definately be golden nile. it was like what happened about 6 months ago at pony tails. they closed down the bar for a while for staging bold (nude) shows. and at the time, this was the only bar in angeles that thought they could get away with topless girls and whipped cream, but the reality is, cops will tollerate prostitution, but not naked shows. it makes no sense, but everyone know this, so of course the bar was raided.

the bottom line is that if you hire **** girls or stage bold shows, then crooked cops will pick on you. the way the cops look at it, you are breaking the law and they will do you a favor by taking a bribe instead of prosecuting you and closing down the bar. lets remember, it is corruption that allows angeles city to exist. the same way a traffic cop will pull you over when you do something wrong, and a bribe will stop him from giving you a ticket. it is very rare (but does happen occasionally) that a cop will want a bribe when you have not broken some traffic rule. for every bribe that is demanded for a setup, there are about 100 that are demanded for allowing you to break the law and face no punishment. personally, i have paid many bribes in the philippines, some big, but most small. i can only think of one time when i had to pay a bribe when i had done nothing wrong, and that was 100 pesos.

Ekspat
07-01-11, 15:23
Lets face it any fresh piece of ass is already scooped up by the locals and once that piece of ass becomes rotten it becomes available on the market for foreigners.Who cares, I think it's great, the silly run-in is done by the Pinoys, it's fine.

But she's not rotten yet and seriously, who is interested in a virgin? Me not.

Cheers!

BionicMan
07-01-11, 15:55
Who cares, I think it's great, the silly run-in is done by the Pinoys, it's fine. But she's not rotten yet and seriously, who is interested in a virgin? Me not. Cheers!I second this. Whether she has been pounded by 50 locals or 50 strangers there is not much difference.

Could be much easier that she has been pounded by 20 locals and 100 strangers! .

Fishfinger
07-01-11, 18:57
it had nothing to do with payoffs. richard agnew the owner of golden nile was the self proclaimed president of abac, the bar owners group. he was the bag man to the government officials, if any bar was funding the officials, it was richard.

as you know the government is corrupt, and the press is equally so. the story you show is propaganda supported by the government officials, it does not represent the facts.

sunshine bar was raided on a labor claim. due to lack of funds, they did not have enough money to pay their girls / staff. the mother of one of the girls went to channel 5 news to complain. channel 5 thought it would be good news to raid a foreign owned bar. the mother was not concerned about her daughter being a prostitute, she was mad her daughter was not sending home the money. who is the pimp and human trafficer? because the bar was not paying their girls the full salary, the police trumped up human trafficing charges, in essence claiming the girls were being forced into prostitution / work as slave laborers. forget the fact if the girls did not like being there they could have gone to any bar on the street and gotten a new job. forget the fact that non-payment of wages is a labor claim, not a human trafficing offense. forget the fact that sunshine bar will be the first business in the philippines who is insolvent and unable to pay their bills and rather than a labor claim will be charged with human trafficing. 16 girls, including the bar manager were taken out of sunshine. now they are going to file human trafficing with a life sentence, against a guy who earns 20 dollars a day as greeter for foreign guests. all because the bar is bankrupt (or maybe hard times) and can't pay everyone's wages. think about how many usa and european companies went bust in the latest economic crisis, guess they all were involved in human trafficing. the idiot usa ambassador shakes his head yes.

golden nile was raided, so stated for having **** girls. there is some confusion on this point, as the mission order is reported to have been made against blue nile (different owners and different bar) , but word on the street was the police were confused by the similarity in names. so off they go to raid golden nile, but the girls did not want to be "saved", rather they rushed the police and doors (the police were trying to barracade them inside the building) , some 200 girls escaped the police. further funny things, the police did manage to corral some 100 girls on a couple of buses. as one of the buses hit macarthur avenue, the girls figured out the emergency exit at the back was unlocked, some sixty girls started jumping out of the bus on macarthur, with police running all over the place trying to catch them. a very funny sight. in both escapes from the police, filipino bystanders were clapping, hollering and laughing at the police.

the police pissed off at both successful escapes, and faced with empty buses, then turned around and raided blue nile and cambodia bars, very few taken as most of the smarter bars had closed by this time.

the news paper article is complete bullshit for the local do gooders and the usa ambassador (an individual so stupid it defies logic on how he got his job). the girls walk in fear of the police, not the bar owners. being taken by the police means they will be locked up in jail for a long time, stories include being given only a half a bowl of rice a day, forced confessions in order to be released (forced to implicate the owner / managers / mamasans of the bars) , sexual harrassment from the police officers, made to pay money for release. human trafficing is sponsored and owned by the very same government officials who are elected to protect their citizens. everyone knows it is the filipino bars / brothels / massage parlors owned by these government officials that run **** girls and boys, its the government officials that own the agents who process the passports and documents for sending workers out of the country to the sex trade or indentured servitude. everyone except the idiot usa ambassador.thanks for the info.

do you know if there is any truth in the reports that three customers (two americans and a japanese) are facing charges?

Luvpuss
07-02-11, 00:01
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s; 1171855]I was in Blue Nile last night. The cops all surround me wanting to know what happened, but at that point, someone gives me my 250 pesos, and I am happy so I just leave. Not sure what type of manager trains the waitresses to rip off customers right before the cops show up. That is one manager that should certainly be locked up. In an insane asylum.

Dude. You are the one that is nuts. Causing a big commotion over 6 bucks. Stupid.

GoodEnough
07-02-11, 00:37
These raids are likely a show, in this case put on for the benefit of the US to "prove" that the country is serious about combatting [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). And it worked. The US has just removed the Philippines from the "tier 3" list of countries so now it's eligible for more funding. Most, if not all public actions here initiated by the national and local governments are nothing more than illusions, soap operas if you like put on to accomplish a specific purpose. This is a place with no substance, and no commitment to anything other than the next scam.

GE

ManonsanBoy
07-02-11, 01:27
. This is a place with no substance, and no commitment to anything other than the next scam.

GEThe biggest scam is that this is a democracy. The 7 families own the Philippines and that is it. That is why they have fallen behind so much in the last 50 years. They should have been the boom economy after WWII, rather than the sick man. The church likes it a lot because it send sthe illegitimate children and poor single mothers looking for salvation and the bars of Angeles.

Five10
07-02-11, 01:59
This happened last Monday.

The United States on Monday removed the Philippines and Singapore from a [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) watch list that had drawn concerns from the close allies.

The US State Department's annual Trafficking in Persons Report has become increasingly sensitive for Southeast Asian governments, which face a cutoff of US assistance if they are found to be unresponsive in fighting trafficking.

The latest report elevated the Philippines, Singapore and Laos off the watch list to the so-called Tier 2, which means that the countries do not fully meet standards on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) but are making efforts to do so.

President Benigno Aquino III was delighted about the upgrade.

'The President welcomes this upgrade. And is very very appreciative of the upgrade made by the State Department, ' Mr. Aquino's spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said.

Sea change.

Lacierda quoted US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as telling CNN that 'until the new administration of President Aquino, we didn't really have the level of commitment we were seeking. We do now and we see a sea change of difference. '

'In response, the Aquino administration expresses its appreciation at these citations and emphasizes our continuing campaign against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), ' Lacierda said, in reaction to Clinton's statement.

Lacierda said the government aimed at moving 'toward the abolition of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). '

In April, Mr. Aquino took the unusual step of saying that his country was off the watch list, leading US officials to clarify that no decision had yet been made.

GoodEnough
07-02-11, 03:11
I once had a boss, older and much wiser than I, who told me that there are countries doomed to remain "beggar nations" forever, despite external assistance in development. This is surely one of those countries, operated by and for the benefit of the oligarchy that controls it, and by their political allies who are free to steal whatever they can get their greedy hands on. Though this discussion is probably inappropriate to this thread, the bottomless pit of greed here always astounds me and has done so since I've lived here. The greed of the kleptocrats to run the place is truly insatiable. I'm not a "corruption virgin," having worked in Indonesia, Thailand and in several African countries, but this place is the gold standard. I've never seen anything like it.

Undercoverh
07-02-11, 04:26
Like you, I would never put anyone down for his preferences, but you're right about it's all being different for guys who live here in Asia. Like you, I've been around her for most of the last 20 years, and when not here, then in Africa. Like most guys, I imagine, when I first came out here-to Indonesia and Thailand primarily-I was like a kid in a candy store. I just couldn't wait to grab as many as possible, as often as possible, and invariably as young (within legal limits) as possible. But with increasing age, and with a more "been there, done that" attitude, your perspective changes and it becomes important, most of the time to be with someone who is fun to be around-to whom you can talk, laugh and do something other than screw. I'm sure it's different when you're consigned for 50 weeks a year to the cold, cold Western world and only have a couple of weeks into which you have to cram a year's worth of fun.

GEThanks, well stated. I live in Hong Kong and have been to all the spots in Asia. Just like you. 20 years ago, I was like a kid in a candy store and I would only bang young (over 18) women. The more the better. When I first came to Asia, Thailand was my stop, I planned to stay for a 2 week vacation. I ended up staying for 9 months.

Now that I have had women of all types (China girls, Jap girls, Thai girls, etc.) and I am in my early 50s , I need something more than just P4P. After having so many different Asian women, I really like the fact that the Filipinas speak good English and they really like and understand Western men. And age is not a factor for them. They are fun to be with, they like to laugh and joke with you. And as far as sex, (just my POV) , they offer the best sincere sex when you are in a relationship with them. For now, they are my choice for having a real GFE with no money exchanged. Sure, I take them out on a date, but that is dirt cheap compared to dating in HK or any western country. Also, I actually like going on the date with them and I enjoy the prize at the end of the evening between her legs.

The great thing about Asia, especially the Philippines, my POV, if offers something for every guy, no matter what he likes. Plus, living there is a lot cheaper than HK or any western country. When I retire, I be heading over to Makati or maybe AC.

LoveAsianWhores
07-02-11, 04:48
Dude. You are the one that is nuts. Causing a big commotion over 6 bucks. Stupid.It is not over six bucks. I am a regular and once you let a bar rip you off, you are immediately pegged as a mug and will lose all respect from the staff and the girls and you are sure to be ripped off every time you go into the bar.

Matius
07-02-11, 05:27
Thanks for the info.

Do you know if there is any truth in the reports that three customers (two Americans and a Japanese) are facing charges?It is true three or four customers were taken in the raids (news accounts differ on the number, think 3 is more accurate). Again not totally sure, but heard they were taken after the Golden Nile raid, either in Blue Nile or Cambodia. One news account said one was released and the others would be charged with lesser crimes of sex. It is now known that all were released in Manila after spending the night and most of the next day in jail.

Sxxxx
07-02-11, 05:28
The biggest scam is that this is a democracy. The 7 families own the Philippines and that is it. That is why they have fallen behind so much in the last 50 years. They should have been the boom economy after WWII, rather than the sick man. The church likes it a lot because it send sthe illegitimate children and poor single mothers looking for salvation and the bars of Angeles.They were the boom economy after ww2 courtesy of american investment. Philippines was called the Tiger of SE Asia, top economy in SE Asia. What happened after that I can only guess.

Matius
07-02-11, 05:40
This happened last Monday.

The United States on Monday removed the Philippines and Singapore from a [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) watch list that had drawn concerns from the close allies.

The US State Department's annual Trafficking in Persons Report has become increasingly sensitive for Southeast Asian governments, which face a cutoff of US assistance if they are found to be unresponsive in fighting trafficking.

The latest report elevated the Philippines, Singapore and Laos off the watch list to the so-called Tier 2, which means that the countries do not fully meet standards on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) but are making efforts to do so.

President Benigno Aquino III was delighted about the upgrade.

'The President welcomes this upgrade. And is very very appreciative of the upgrade made by the State Department, ' Mr. Aquino's spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said.

Sea change.

Lacierda quoted US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as telling CNN that 'until the new administration of President Aquino, we didn't really have the level of commitment we were seeking. We do now and we see a sea change of difference. '

'In response, the Aquino administration expresses its appreciation at these citations and emphasizes our continuing campaign against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), ' Lacierda said, in reaction to Clinton's statement.

Lacierda said the government aimed at moving 'toward the abolition of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). '

In April, Mr. Aquino took the unusual step of saying that his country was off the watch list, leading US officials to clarify that no decision had yet been made.If you read further, you will also find an article concerning a function hosting the USA Ambassador, who basically said while 25 cases against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) have been brought this is no time to drink Champaign. Basically not enough is being done. Several days later the raids in Angeles. One Phillipine official even cited the USA Ambassador's comments as motivation for the raids.

In other press accounts, there is the belief the USA is discussing / considering with the Philippine government re-activation of parts of Subic Bay to the USA Navy. That these discussions provoked removal of the Philippines from the watch list (an embarrassment to the Philippine government) and is also motivating the government to placate the American government's desires.

FreebieFan
07-02-11, 05:41
The biggest scam is that this is a democracy. The 7 families own the Philippines and that is it. That is why they have fallen behind so much in the last 50 years. They should have been the boom economy after WWII, rather than the sick man. The church likes it a lot because it send sthe illegitimate children and poor single mothers looking for salvation and the bars of Angeles.You should see the problems of trying to get money to improve a business here. The 7 families conveniently own the banks that lend capital to business. Not only do the have the biggest spread between the interest you get a depositor and what you pay as a lender in Asia.

But they just have endless delays obstacles and impediments to actually loaning money.

Friend of mine has a small business, and agreed to put his house as collateral (value by bank, P25 mill) against a loan of P10 mill. Handed title to bank etc. And 6 months later, he's still waiting for his loan. He has signed his name on 46 different bank documents and is told it "MAY" be released in next 3 months but not guaranteed. With this kind of bullshit, the country will fall even further behind.

By contrast, walk into HSBC in HK and ask for a loan with salary as collateral, and it will be released within 72 hours. Big banks don't care, they make from the spread, government doesn't care as they are all on the take, big business don't care as then they don't face competition and the little man. Well he just gives up. My friend is thinking of selling all, and moving to Australia.

FreebieFan
07-02-11, 05:45
The great thing about Asia, especially the Philippines, my POV, if offers something for every guy, no matter what he likes. Plus, living there is a lot cheaper than HK or any western country. When I retire, I be heading over to Makati or maybe AC.Much better places than makati within Phils for retirement, but yes, I understand your sentiment. I shall also be retiring there. Just have to find a way to send wife on endless vacations so I can do the same dating LOL.

Matius
07-02-11, 06:46
i was in blue nile last night. i had just paid for a ladies drink when the waitress says i have to pay for my drink right now, the lady has to leave, but she will right back when she puts on her clothes. so i pay, but the girl does not come back. then everyone leaves, and then the police rush in. was i pissed. they knew that a raid was coming, but they were more concerned with ripping me off for 250 pesos. so i lost my cool, which i am very carefull not to do in angeles as it is never a good idea, but i couldn't help it. i start telling the police that i was just ripped of for 250 pesos and i want it back. if blue nile feels it is a good idea to rip of customers right before a raid, maybe the customer can cause a problem for blue nile. obviously, not a wise strategy, but like i said, i was pissed. the cops all surround me wanting to know what happened, but at that point, someone gives me my 250 pesos, and i am happy so i just leave. not sure what type of manager trains the waitresses to rip off customers right before the cops show up. that is one manager that should certainly be locked up. in an insane asylum.

anyway, regarding the recent raids. i do not belive their any foreigners that were not suspected of being managers of the bars were arrested. in the many years of reading about angles raids, they have never bothered customers, and none of the other sites, including harry the horse, indicated that customers were bothered in these raid either (but if i am wrong, please post a link). angeles patrons have sometimes been setup under different circumstances, but when the police show up at a bar, they are never interested in the customers.

also, while it is well known that this all about corrupt police getting money from the bars, they don't pick these bars at random. if there was one bar that hired that **** girls, then it would definately be golden nile. it was like what happened about 6 months ago at pony tails. they closed down the bar for a while for staging bold (nude) shows. and at the time, this was the only bar in angeles that thought they could get away with topless girls and whipped cream, but the reality is, cops will tollerate prostitution, but not naked shows. it makes no sense, but everyone know this, so of course the bar was raided.

the bottom line is that if you hire **** girls or stage bold shows, then crooked cops will pick on you. the way the cops look at it, you are breaking the law and they will do you a favor by taking a bribe instead of prosecuting you and closing down the bar. lets remember, it is corruption that allows angeles city to exist. the same way a traffic cop will pull you over when you do something wrong, and a bribe will stop him from giving you a ticket. it is very rare (but does happen occasionally) that a cop will want a bribe when you have not broken some traffic rule. for every bribe that is demanded for a setup, there are about 100 that are demanded for allowing you to break the law and face no punishment. personally, i have paid many bribes in the philippines, some big, but most small. i can only think of one time when i had to pay a bribe when i had done nothing wrong, and that was 100 pesos.not meaning to defend the hiring of **** girls, but in the last raids, have you read any account which proved **** girls were the purpose of the raid or were discovered? was their any suggestion the bars raided were doing bold shows? we should all show sympathy for you cause blue nile, in the midst of a raid might have done you out of 250 peso. how about the poor manager of sunshine bar, probably makes $20 a day, most managers have no say in hiring, or wage payments. that raid was conducted over a claim of not paying the girls on time. now converted into forced sexual slavery. the manager faces a life sentence if convicted.

harry the horse is one of the biggest supporters of richard agnew and golden nile, as he (richard) is the self proclaimed president of the bar owner's association. pony tails was doing body paint, and at that time, these shows were approved by the recently departed mayor blueboy, the mayor's office use to issue a permit to do them. what they were doing had been allowed, then without instructions to the contrary, they are raided. yes, customers were taken in the last raid, and while they may have been released within 12 hours or so, how long before in these raids they are not released? and when you are cuffed, loaded on the bus, transported to manila. not knowing if you will be released. trying to prove you are not an owner or manager (how will you do that) , are you going to wait for harry the horse to take up your cause. ha ha. i suppose it does not matter to you that your name and nationality are splashed across the international press, engaged in [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), as has been done to the manager of sunshine bar?

camelot was raided under the guise of prostitution, yes they supposedly found **** girls, but marked money and prostituion led to the raid. the mayor's notice outside both camelot and dirty duck cited prostitution and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) as the reason for their closure, last year.

how big of a jump is it for this [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) justification to include sex tourism? as cited previously, by philippine law, prostitution is [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and for foreigners, it is a non-bailable offense, that if convicted carries a life sentence. so when the bars are put out business, and everyone is setting up their pleasures through dia, filipino heart, etc, and money is to be made one on one with you as the victim. you can remember the days of your 100 peso traffic fine.

the truth in my opinion is that this is an attack on foreign business men, who although engaged in an immoral trade, are being victimized for less than what filipino owned bars do on a regular basis, without any police action. and your only comfort is that they just have not come for you. yet. again my opinion, but there are not many places left in this world where our hobby is so easily accomodated and at such a ridiculously low price, one should be concerned. nothing can be guaranteed forever, as we see has happened over the last ten years in our home countries, it would not take much at all to wipe the philippines off our map of desireable destinations.

Hairy Wonder
07-02-11, 07:32
Guys,

After reading through the accounts of these raids and the "motivation" behind them, I thought it all sounded very much like what happened in Korea in 2005. The US government was pressuring the Korean government to crack down on "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)". The Koreans have had laws against prostitution for many years. But not much was done to enforce these laws. I think this was primarily because the government officials were the biggest customers. After the Korean government gave in to the pressure from the US, the hobby almost dried up for lack of supply. Many places that welcomed foreigners in the past, started telling all foreigners that they were not welcome. There are some hot spots still around Korea today. But its much more difficult to find, and expensive. I hope the same does not happen to the Philippines.

HW

Brymor
07-02-11, 07:37
The truth in my opinion is that this is an attack on foreign business men, who although engaged in an immoral trade, are being victimized for less than what Filipino owned bars do on a regular basis, without any police action. And your only comfort is that they just have not come for you. Yet. Again my opinion, but there are not many places left in this world where our hobby is so EASILY accomodated and at such a ridiculously low price, one should be concerned. Nothing can be guaranteed forever, as we see has happened over the last ten years in our home countries, it would not take much at all to wipe the Philippines off our map of desireable destinations.Matius I understand your point of view but I don't feel a huge amount of sympathy for foreign bar owners. I guess most of them understand that from the moment they open that kind of business in the Philippines, they are immersing themselves in a mire of institutionalized corruption, dishonesty and deceit, where the playing field is never ever level. I admire their resilience and determination to make money in the face of huge risks, not only to themselves personally but the money they have also invested, but I have little sympathy when things go wrong for them. I can also understand LAW's point of view, if I am drinking in a bar and it gets raided, I don't really care what happens to the bar owner/manager. Call me selfish if you want, but my ONLY concern at that time will be extricating myself from any risk of harm to my own reputation or liberty.

Amjeck
07-02-11, 09:34
Guys,

After reading through the accounts of these raids and the "motivation" behind them, I thought it all sounded very much like what happened in Korea in 2005. The US government was pressuring the Korean government to crack down on "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)". The Koreans have had laws against prostitution for many years. But not much was done to enforce these laws. I think this was primarily because the government officials were the biggest customers. After the Korean government gave in to the pressure from the US, the hobby almost dried up for lack of supply. Many places that welcomed foreigners in the past, started telling all foreigners that they were not welcome. There are some hot spots still around Korea today. But its much more difficult to find, and expensive. I hope the same does not happen to the Philippines.

HWI recently saw an interview on tv with hillary clinton regarding [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and she noted how cooperative the Philippines has become in the last few years.

Ezinho
07-02-11, 12:21
I recently saw an interview on tv with hillary clinton regarding [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and she noted how cooperative the Philippines has become in the last few years.Speaking of Hillary, here's a link to an article I found that talks more about the President of the Philippines and Clinton. It looks like NoyNoy has a little crush on Hillary; it says he's even going to "write a letter" to thank her for her remarks!

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/224739/pinoy-abroad/aquino-grateful-to-hillary-clinton-for-praising-phl-efforts-vs-[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909)

For those of you that already have travel plans made to go to AC, I'd say just go ahead with your trip. I was in AC last year when all the raids were going on and it was still a good time. Having said that, I was planning on going back again later this year, but I think I'll be heading somewhere else instead. Maybe Thailand, or possibly even Macau. Not just beacuse of these raids, but everything. The police raids are just the final straw for me.

Anyone else headed elsewhere to monger?

Chocha Monger
07-02-11, 17:58
Prostitution, brothel ownership and pimping are illegal in the Philippines. Those engaged in running and profiting from these enterprises bribe the authorities and then hope for the best. It just turned out that the US Government offered a bigger bribe and the bar owners' luck ran out. The Angeles City bar scene just happened to be a victim of its own success. It is high profile and known worldwide as a destination for sex tourists. What better place for the Philippine authorities to strike in their efforts to show that they are eradicating prostitution catering to Western men? Of course, the scene catering to Filipino men is far more extensive but American feminist anti-prostitution activists are more concerned about American men buying cheap sex abroad. For example, once it was clear that Americans were no longer welcomed in Korean sex trade establishments the US relaxed pressure on South Korea to wipe out prostitution. It would not be surprising if the same happened due to Westerners being targeted in AC. All it would take to run off Western mongers is to start throwing them in jail whenever the police find them as customers in a bar that is being raided. It wouldn't even take charges. Just a couple nights in a Philippine jail would be enough to convince these guys to seek their jollies elsewhere. If the authorities decide to sustain the raids the scene may well transition to one where the bars are owned, ran, and patronized entirely by Koreans, Japanese and other Asians. Western mongers would still frequent the Philippines but they'the probably be more dispersed and in lower numbers. There are too many freelancers selling sex online, in the malls and parks for the sex trade to die out in a country plagued with poverty and lack of employment opportunities. The bars provide convenience for sex tourists but not protection. The first mongers to flee the scene will be the lazy mongers and those who can't afford an arrest.

Undercoverh
07-03-11, 00:32
Much better places than makati within Phils for retirement, but yes, I understand your sentiment. I shall also be retiring there. Just have to find a way to send wife on endless vacations so I can do the same dating LOL.Thanks for your feedback. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the best places to retire in the Philippines? What would be your top 3 rankings and why? I gave AC some thought to retire to, but after this raid BS, AC is no longer on my list.

The reason I like Makati is because it is clean, high end hotels and condos, safe, lots of girls love to come there, and I have found some of my best free action there from regluar girls in the many many malls there in Makati. I rented a new 2 bedrooom condo in Makati once for 4 weeks and it was great! Cost was only $750 a month. The same high end condo in Hong Kong would cost $3, 500 a month.

Having young ladies come back the condo was a real deal maker. Once they saw where I lived (I did not tell them I was renting, I told them I owned it) , their underwear came off with the greatest of easy. Having a pretty Filipinas run around half naked after sex in a high end condo with a view at night, is like being in a moive. Plus, the condo had a fitness center, pool. 24 hour security, on call driver, etc.

Because of my stay there for a month in this wonderful condo, I could see myself living like that in retirement. Well, you may be surprised to know I have a wife also, in China. Yap, before we got married, she was sweet as candy. After we got married and had a baby, tons of attitude and loads of cost (e.g., purchased a condo, car, school exp., etc.). I canot live with her everyday, I would go crazy, but I will always take care of my child and support her. I fly between HK and China to vist them regularly. I will just tell my wife my job transferrred me to the new office in Makati (but actually I will retire there and just fly between the Philippines and China). Yap, you are married, but you can always come up with a good plan to enjoy life. Hey, we only live once!

For those guys reading what I wrote, do not judge me. In Asia, just about every other married Asian guy has a girlfriend on the side. Or, they will vist sex outlets regularly. My Chinese boss has been married for 22 years and he takes off early once a month on Friday to visit 141 sex aparments in Hong Kong. Another coworker is married and has a long time girlfriend which he pays all of her living cost and she is his girlfriend and only has sex with him. When in Rome........

GoodEnough
07-03-11, 01:22
Where to retire here depends to a large extent on what you want out of retirement. If you want high end restaurants,"a big city feel," good shops, and at least a veneer of sophistication then Makati is the place. In fact, if you never venture outside the Greenbelt / Ayala / Ft. Bonifacio area you might think that this was a developed country. If I could choose where to live, Makati would be the place. If what you want is something with more of a provincial feel, more relaxed, less pollution, congestion and cheaper, there are lots of alternatives. Davao, where I live and work is one of them, but there are lots of others. Some guys I know love Cagayan de Oro, others love Dumaguete for example.

I would not choose this place for retirement, but that could be because familiarity breeds contempt and I've been here too long. For me, this place is too corrupt, too venal, too hopeless and too uninteresting culturally and there are other countries-Thailand being one-that I find more to my liking. But that's just me and I can't totally divorce myself from the general moral bankruptcy of the place and from the overwhelming greed and incompetence of the government. No matter how I try to concentrate on the fact that I have a pretty good life, I can't distance myself enough from the general context of the country. However, I know lots of guys who live here and genuinely like it. They're not disturbed or not deeply disturbed about the rest of it, and they live well.

As to the "crackdown" on bars, it's important to remember here that everything's a sham; that this place is the ultimate triumph of form over substance. No one here really gives a damn about prostitution, but if it's a show the US wants, the Philippines will gladly present one. This is a country that would implode without the remittances brought in by overseas workers, and charity from donors and it won't do anything to jeopardize these sources of revenue. However it's important to remember that there's no real commitment, no substance to anything the government does and it's ultimately all for show and / or to pander to the greed of officials who see still another way to screw someone out of money. The only reality here is the aggrandizement of the oligarchs and their supporting cast of politicians whom they own.

GE

X Man
07-03-11, 01:45
GE,

What can we do to cheer you up?


Where to retire here depends to a large extent on what you want out of retirement. If you want high end restaurants,"a big city feel," good shops, and at least a veneer of sophistication then Makati is the place. In fact, if you never venture outside the Greenbelt / Ayala / Ft. Bonifacio area you might think that this was a developed country. If I could choose where to live, Makati would be the place. If what you want is something with more of a provincial feel, more relaxed, less pollution, congestion and cheaper, there are lots of alternatives. Davao, where I live and work is one of them, but there are lots of others. Some guys I know love Cagayan de Oro, others love Dumaguete for example.

I would not choose this place for retirement, but that could be because familiarity breeds contempt and I've been here too long. For me, this place is too corrupt, too venal, too hopeless and too uninteresting culturally and there are other countries-Thailand being one-that I find more to my liking. But that's just me and I can't totally divorce myself from the general moral bankruptcy of the place and from the overwhelming greed and incompetence of the government. No matter how I try to concentrate on the fact that I have a pretty good life, I can't distance myself enough from the general context of the country. However, I know lots of guys who live here and genuinely like it. They're not disturbed or not deeply disturbed about the rest of it, and they live well.

As to the "crackdown" on bars, it's important to remember here that everything's a sham; that this place is the ultimate triumph of form over substance. No one here really gives a damn about prostitution, but if it's a show the US wants, the Philippines will gladly present one. This is a country that would implode without the remittances brought in by overseas workers, and charity from donors and it won't do anything to jeopardize these sources of revenue. However it's important to remember that there's no real commitment, no substance to anything the government does and it's ultimately all for show and / or to pander to the greed of officials who see still another way to screw someone out of money. The only reality here is the aggrandizement of the oligarchs and their supporting cast of politicians whom they own.

GE

FreebieFan
07-03-11, 03:25
Thanks for your feedback. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the best places to retire in the Philippines? What would be your top 3 rankings and why? I gave AC some thought to retire to, but after this raid BS, AC is no longer on my list.

The reason I like Makati is because it is clean, high end hotels and condos, safe, lots of girls love to come there, and I have found some of my best free action there from regluar girls in the many many malls there in Makati. I rented a new 2 bedrooom condo in Makati once for 4 weeks and it was great! Cost was only $750 a month. The same high end condo in Hong Kong would cost $3, 500 a month.

Having young ladies come back the condo was a real deal maker. Once they saw where I lived (I did not tell them I was renting, I told them I owned it) , their underwear came off with the greatest of easy. Having a pretty Filipinas run around half naked after sex in a high end condo with a view at night, is like being in a moive. Plus, the condo had a fitness center, pool. 24 hour security, on call driver, etc.

Because of my stay there for a month in this wonderful condo, I could see myself living like that in retirement. Well, you may be surprised to know I have a wife also, in China. Yap, before we got married, she was sweet as candy. After we got married and had a baby, tons of attitude and loads of cost (e. G, purchased a condo, car, school exp, etc.). I canot live with her everyday, I would go crazy, but I will always take care of my child and support her. I fly between HK and China to vist them regularly. I will just tell my wife my job transferrred me to the new office in Makati (but actually I will retire there and just fly between the Philippines and China). Yap, you are married, but you can always come up with a good plan to enjoy life. Hey, we only live once!

For those guys reading what I wrote, do not judge me. In Asia, just about every other married Asian guy has a girlfriend on the side. Or, they will vist sex outlets regularly. My Chinese boss has been married for 22 years and he takes off early once a month on Friday to visit 141 sex aparments in Hong Kong. Another coworker is married and has a long time girlfriend which he pays all of her living cost and she is his girlfriend and only has sex with him. When in Rome.Hi there, actually I would suggest Fort Bonifacio as easier to live in than Makati, less traffic (at least at the moment) better infrasructure, quieter on weekends, easy to get to Makati but without the traffic of Makati. I have an apartment there and yes, them girls panties come down every time I take a willing target there. My new specialty is having them on the balcony. My neighbours can't see me and some girls are turned on by being naked in public, without being seen. You could consider McKinley Hills or Bonifacio Heights for the same reasoning if you want more of a house style.

My ideal retirement would be a house in Ayala Alabang, or Nuvali further south and to still keep an apartment in Fort bonifacio. Hopefully that would allow me some freedom for dating LOL. If not I'm sure theres a plan B and C and D.

I don't think anyone will judge you because to a large extent, were all doing the same LOL.

MauiDude
07-03-11, 03:29
Thanks for your feedback. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the best places to retire in the Philippines? What would be your top 3 rankings and why? I gave AC some thought to retire to, but after this raid BS, AC is no longer on my list.

The reason I like Makati is because it is clean, high end hotels and condos, safe, lots of girls love to come there, and I have found some of my best free action there from regluar girls in the many many malls there in Makati. I rented a new 2 bedrooom condo in Makati once for 4 weeks and it was great! Cost was only $750 a month. The same high end condo in Hong Kong would cost $3, 500 a month.

Having young ladies come back the condo was a real deal maker. Once they saw where I lived (I did not tell them I was renting, I told them I owned it) , their underwear came off with the greatest of easy. Having a pretty Filipinas run around half naked after sex in a high end condo with a view at night, is like being in a moive. Plus, the condo had a fitness center, pool. 24 hour security, on call driver, etc.

Because of my stay there for a month in this wonderful condo, I could see myself living like that in retirement. Well, you may be surprised to know I have a wife also, in China. Yap, before we got married, she was sweet as candy. After we got married and had a baby, tons of attitude and loads of cost (e. G, purchased a condo, car, school exp, etc.). I canot live with her everyday, I would go crazy, but I will always take care of my child and support her. I fly between HK and China to vist them regularly. I will just tell my wife my job transferrred me to the new office in Makati (but actually I will retire there and just fly between the Philippines and China). Yap, you are married, but you can always come up with a good plan to enjoy life. Hey, we only live once!

For those guys reading what I wrote, do not judge me. In Asia, just about every other married Asian guy has a girlfriend on the side. Or, they will vist sex outlets regularly. My Chinese boss has been married for 22 years and he takes off early once a month on Friday to visit 141 sex aparments in Hong Kong. Another coworker is married and has a long time girlfriend which he pays all of her living cost and she is his girlfriend and only has sex with him. When in Rome.Well said. But I am trying to stay here in pi. As I have met some really nice people.

But the latest word I hear on the recent crackdowns from a guy that has some connections? Don't know the truth here? Does anyone really know?

Is that there is a high up police guy? Someone in the police that is going to retire soon and needs some extra money.

That is as believable to me as to anything else around this country.

And a few other friends? That are connected in the police. Tell me its just extortion plain and simple.

Somebody in authority will always be looking for someone to extort here. Just hope you can avoid it.

And enjoy what the country offers. I am sleeping tonight with four girls and more are calling me and want to join in.

Vittu
07-03-11, 04:05
Amen. Your honest appraisal is one fine post.
My hat is off to other recent posters as well. Excellent and interesting posts.

Red Kilt
07-03-11, 04:26
Thanks for your feedback. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the best places to retire in the Philippines? What would be your top 3 rankings and why? I gave AC some thought to retire to, but after this raid BS, AC is no longer on my list.

The reason I like Makati is because it is clean, high end hotels and condos, safe, lots of girls love to come there, and I have found some of my best free action there from regluar girls in the many many malls there in Makati. I rented a new 2 bedrooom condo in Makati once for 4 weeks and it was great! Cost was only $750 a month. The same high end condo in Hong Kong would cost $3, 500 a month.

Having young ladies come back the condo was a real deal maker. Once they saw where I lived (I did not tell them I was renting, I told them I owned it) , their underwear came off with the greatest of easy. Having a pretty Filipinas run around half naked after sex in a high end condo with a view at night, is like being in a moive. Plus, the condo had a fitness center, pool. 24 hour security, on call driver, etc. .I realise that this is the "Angeles" thread so I am just replying to the previous poster who posted his viewpoint here. Apologies but it will be out of context if I post it somewhere else.

I live in Ortigas Center which is 15 to 20 minutes drive from Makati, and I chose it over Makati because of the concentration of 4 large malls (SM Megamall, Shangri-la Plaza, Podium and Robinson's Galleria) and a large "wet market" (EDSA Central) within a 10 minute stroll from my condo. Despite their size, there are not "many many malls" in Makati as you said. It just seems like that. There are really only just the two (Greenbelt and Glorietta, although Power Plant could be classified as Makati too), and you still need a taxi to get to them unless you are a keen walker who doesn't mind getting hot and sweaty.
In Ortigas, I can literally stroll to 4 large malls and because it is not a Makati address, that alone knocks at least 2 million pesos off the price, and the ongoing rates and taxes are lower too. I am also just 100 to 150 php taxi ride away from Market Market in The Fort, PowerPlant in Rockwell, Gateway in Cubao and Trinoma and SM North EDSA at the end of EDSA.

If you are choosing a retirement place on the basis of proximity to girls then let me gently remind you to think ahead 10 years and then 15 years when even Vitamin V will not stiffen your aging member. Will such a high-end place be worth-while then. Remember that women live all over Manila. Very very few actually live in Makati except those who stay in flats and bedsitters. All are able to travel anywhere by bus and taxi.

Just a further caution and this is me talking here.

I NEVER EVER take girls back to my residence. I treat it as my place of refuge and rest, and I just don't want to run the risk of having various girls and their assorted boyfriends and families knowing where I live. I have a few friends who are posters here on ISG who don't hesitate to do this and they seem to have no problem with bringing girls back so I guess it is up to you.
However, I also have 2 friends who had to move hotels (one in Makati and one in Cebu) , because girls got all pissy when they saw them next day in the mall (after a rollicking night) with ANOTHER girl and decided that all the stories the guys had spun them were just bullshit.

I just choose not to want to roll the dice like that.

This is just my point of view and an alternative for you to think about.

Member #4698
07-03-11, 05:18
Where to retire here depends to a large extent on what you want out of retirement. If you want high end restaurants,"a big city feel," good shops, and at least a veneer of sophistication then Makati is the place. In fact, if you never venture outside the Greenbelt / Ayala / Ft. Bonifacio area you might think that this was a developed country. If I could choose where to live, Makati would be the place. If what you want is something with more of a provincial feel, more relaxed, less pollution, congestion and cheaper, there are lots of alternatives. Davao, where I live and work is one of them, but there are lots of others. Some guys I know love Cagayan de Oro, others love Dumaguete for example.

I would not choose this place for retirement, but that could be because familiarity breeds contempt and I've been here too long. For me, this place is too corrupt, too venal, too hopeless and too uninteresting culturally and there are other countries-Thailand being one-that I find more to my liking. But that's just me and I can't totally divorce myself from the general moral bankruptcy of the place and from the overwhelming greed and incompetence of the government. No matter how I try to concentrate on the fact that I have a pretty good life, I can't distance myself enough from the general context of the country. However, I know lots of guys who live here and genuinely like it. They're not disturbed or not deeply disturbed about the rest of it, and they live well.

GEIt is hard to recommend a specific Asian location because there are so many places to choose from and everybody has different preferences, goals, aesthetics, standards and financial constraints. Personally, I could not see myself settling down permanently in any one location for more than a year, although I would love to rent a condo in upper Sukhumvit for that amount of time just to see what would happen and I dream of having a small cottage on a beautiful relatively unspoiled south East Asian beach. For me it is a choice of urban environment vs. natural tropical beach environment and both worlds have their pros and cons. Both Makati and BKK for example have a ton of women and offer easy access to recreational weekend retreats and beaches. On the other hand, if you have a woman, Palawan, Negros, or one of the many southern Thai Islands would offer an amazing idyllic retreat that is not too far from the city nightlife when you need a break. I have travelled around Asia a bit in the last 20 years or so and wherever I go; I see expats living there.

If I were to choose a retirement location, I would first make a list of possible preferred destinations and then physically check them all out. I would take my time and spend a month or two in the places I like best and see which ones work for me. For the modern urban city environment; I would prefer BKK over Makati. I think Makati would get boring real fast and by comparison BKK has better restaurants, more things to do, and is safer. It's up to you. For me, I plan to eventually settle down to traveling for ten months out of the year and rent wherever I go while I keep my permanent residence in south Florida, USA. I am reluctant grow my roots too deep in foreign soil, but I love Asian women.

Chocha Monger
07-03-11, 15:17
if you are choosing a retirement place on the basis of proximity to girls then let me gently remind you to think ahead 10 years and then 15 years when even vitamin v will not stiffen your aging member. will such a high-end place be worth-while then. remember that women live all over manila. very very few actually live in makati except those who stay in flats and bedsitters. all are able to travel anywhere by bus and taxi.good advice, red kilt. a lot of mongers are living in denial. they seem to believe that their rapidly aging penises are somehow invulnerable to the ravages of time. some seem to think the fountain of youth is located in some young filipina's pussy and like ponce de leon they go on a futile quest in the twilight of their years. the truth is most men hate to face the fact that a day will come when not even a cocktail of viagra, levitra, cialis and divine help will be able to rouse their wilted members fallen never to rise again. when that day comes some will be content to sit in a bar killing off what's left of their liver as they look at the lovely young ladies and smile due to some vague memory of something fun that they used to be able to do with them. others may wish to do something more meaningful and find themselves unhappy with the choice of location made 10 to 15 yrs ago. lots of expats end up leaving what they once considered paradise for precisely this reason.


just a further caution and this is me talking here.

i never ever take girls back to my residence. i treat it as my place of refuge and rest, and i just don't want to run the risk of having various girls and their assorted boyfriends and families knowing where i live. i have a few friends who are posters here on isg who don't hesitate to do this and they seem to have no problem with bringing girls back so i guess it is up to you.

however, i also have 2 friends who had to move hotels (one in makati and one in cebu) , because girls got all pissy when they saw them next day in the mall (after a rollicking night) with another girl and decided that all the stories the guys had spun them were just bullshit.

i just choose not to want to roll the dice like that.

this is just my point of view and an alternative for you to think about.again you demonstrate good sense. unfortunately, most mongers live like fools in paradise oblivious to the serpents lurking in the orchard. many miraculously make it through their stay unrep001hed in spite of letting random girls visit their residence. some are not so lucky and get to see the dark side of pissed off filipinas, their relatives and boyfriends. every now and then some monger gets murdered and it rattles the expat community. chatter goes up on the forums for a few hours and then everyone goes back to enjoying the booze and the cheap pussy until someone gets whacked again.

Amjeck
07-03-11, 15:19
Is there any rhyme or reason to the recent crackdown? Is any bar a target? What about the time they raid? How about the day the raid takes place?

Sxxxx
07-03-11, 23:42
Is there any rhyme or reason to the recent crackdown? Is any bar a target? What about the time they raid? How about the day the raid takes place?There is no rhyme or reason for anything in the Philippines.

It's certainly not boring, got to hand that to them.

Jbiz979
07-04-11, 01:56
Yah, the ones seeking foreigners usually are undesirable for the pinos. Lets face it any fresh piece of ass is already scooped up by the locals and once that piece of ass becomes rotten it becomes available on the market for foreigners. Foreigners in all parts of asia are fed the left-overs. Pure and simple. This is Asia!Wow left overs! I find that quite offensive. Just because a woman isn't a virgin or has a kid doesn't make her less valuable. The phils like many 3rd world countries have an out dated and primitive religious dogma or worst some chauvinistic idea of a woman's value. Foreigners, more specifically westerners are not intimidated by a woman that has enjoyed sex by some one other than themselves. Many of these left overs are hard working good people that made some mistakes in their youths and while many pinoy men sit on their asses becoming drunks and gamblers while the live off the earnings of theses women. These men have no moral grounds to judge these women and neither do you. But whats interesting about your comments is that you completely negate that many foreigners have married fresh pieces or untouched women or even just deflowered them.

Amjeck
07-04-11, 06:32
Wow left overs! I find that quite offensive. Just because a woman isn't a virgin or has a kid doesn't make her less valuable. .

These men have no moral grounds to judge these women and neither do you.Women who have kids then become prostitutes are left overs. Most mongers would agree with me on this point.

In the P4p scene, I can judge because I'm the one with the money.

Morals and P4P don't mix!

FreebieFan
07-04-11, 07:01
. When that day comes some will be content to sit in a bar killing off what's left of their liver as they look at the lovely young ladies and smile due to some vague memory of something fun that they used to be able to do with them.On one of my very rare visits to Angeles many years ago I was in a bar one afternoon watching some ladies do the " on stage shuffle". Seated next to me was an old gent, and I mean very old. Girls were bored and so was I, so I engaged in conversation with said gent.

He was an American guy, had been in Philippines for 20 plus years and said he came to Angeles 2 weeks every month. He was 85 years old.

Even though he had three young ladies sitting with him, stroking his hair and other meaningless attention, he told me it had been more than 10 years since he "had wood".

BUT. He said very clearly, if there ever came a day when he didn't apreciate their soft voices, sweet curves, and happy personalities, he said, then that would be the day he would go into the hole in the ground.

Undercoverh
07-04-11, 08:06
Where to retire here depends to a large extent on what you want out of retirement. If you want high end restaurants,"a big city feel," good shops, and at least a veneer of sophistication then Makati is the place. In fact, if you never venture outside the Greenbelt / Ayala / Ft. Bonifacio area you might think that this was a developed country. If I could choose where to live, Makati would be the place. If what you want is something with more of a provincial feel, more relaxed, less pollution, congestion and cheaper, there are lots of alternatives. Davao, where I live and work is one of them, but there are lots of others. Some guys I know love Cagayan de Oro, others love Dumaguete for example.

I would not choose this place for retirement, but that could be because familiarity breeds contempt and I've been here too long. For me, this place is too corrupt, too venal, too hopeless and too uninteresting culturally and there are other countries-Thailand being one-that I find more to my liking. But that's just me and I can't totally divorce myself from the general moral bankruptcy of the place and from the overwhelming greed and incompetence of the government. No matter how I try to concentrate on the fact that I have a pretty good life, I can't distance myself enough from the general context of the country. However, I know lots of guys who live here and genuinely like it. They're not disturbed or not deeply disturbed about the rest of it, and they live well.

As to the "crackdown" on bars, it's important to remember here that everything's a sham; that this place is the ultimate triumph of form over substance. No one here really gives a damn about prostitution, but if it's a show the US wants, the Philippines will gladly present one. This is a country that would implode without the remittances brought in by overseas workers, and charity from donors and it won't do anything to jeopardize these sources of revenue. However it's important to remember that there's no real commitment, no substance to anything the government does and it's ultimately all for show and / or to pander to the greed of officials who see still another way to screw someone out of money. The only reality here is the aggrandizement of the oligarchs and their supporting cast of politicians whom they own.

GEThanks for the feedback and input. I agree with your comments about the state of the country. For me, as long as nobody gives me any problems while I am in the Philippines and there is still young to middle aged free pussy to be had, I a fine with living there. I was sent to college and grad school in America and crime there was the worst of any western country I have been to. I feel much more safe in the Philippines, than downtown Los Angeles and night.

Undercoverh
07-04-11, 08:09
Hi there, actually I would suggest Fort Bonifacio as easier to live in than Makati, less traffic (at least at the moment) better infrasructure, quieter on weekends, easy to get to Makati but without the traffic of Makati. I have an apartment there and yes, them girls panties come down every time I take a willing target there. My new specialty is having them on the balcony. My neighbours can't see me and some girls are turned on by being naked in public, without being seen. You could consider McKinley Hills or Bonifacio Heights for the same reasoning if you want more of a house style.

My ideal retirement would be a house in Ayala Alabang, or Nuvali further south and to still keep an apartment in Fort bonifacio. Hopefully that would allow me some freedom for dating LOL. If not I'm sure theres a plan B and C and D.

I don't think anyone will judge you because to a large extent, were all doing the same LOL.Thanks for the feedback!

Undercoverh
07-04-11, 08:19
I realise that this is the "Angeles" thread so I am just replying to the previous poster who posted his viewpoint here. Apologies but it will be out of context if I post it somewhere else.

I live in Ortigas Center which is 15 to 20 minutes drive from Makati, and I chose it over Makati because of the concentration of 4 large malls (SM Megamall, Shangri-la Plaza, Podium and Robinson's Galleria) and a large "wet market" (EDSA Central) within a 10 minute stroll from my condo. Despite their size, there are not "many many malls" in Makati as you said. It just seems like that. There are really only just the two (Greenbelt and Glorietta, although Power Plant could be classified as Makati too) , and you still need a taxi to get to them unless you are a keen walker who doesn't mind getting hot and sweaty.

In Ortigas, I can literally stroll to 4 large malls and because it is not a Makati address, that alone knocks at least 2 million pesos off the price, and the ongoing rates and taxes are lower too. I am also just 100 to 150 php taxi ride away from Market Market in The Fort, PowerPlant in Rockwell, Gateway in Cubao and Trinoma and SM North EDSA at the end of EDSA.

If you are choosing a retirement place on the basis of proximity to girls then let me gently remind you to think ahead 10 years and then 15 years when even Vitamin V will not stiffen your aging member. Will such a high-end place be worth-while then. Remember that women live all over Manila. Very very few actually live in Makati except those who stay in flats and bedsitters. All are able to travel anywhere by bus and taxi.

Just a further caution and this is me talking here.

I NEVER EVER take girls back to my residence. I treat it as my place of refuge and rest, and I just don't want to run the risk of having various girls and their assorted boyfriends and families knowing where I live. I have a few friends who are posters here on ISG who don't hesitate to do this and they seem to have no problem with bringing girls back so I guess it is up to you.

However, I also have 2 friends who had to move hotels (one in Makati and one in Cebu) , because girls got all pissy when they saw them next day in the mall (after a rollicking night) with ANOTHER girl and decided that all the stories the guys had spun them were just bullshit.

I just choose not to want to roll the dice like that.

This is just my point of view and an alternative for you to think about.Thanks. Ya, I would have to slim back on bring girls to my retirement condo when I live in PI. I will check out Ortigas Center on my next trip in 5 weeks.

Butter69
07-04-11, 12:23
To all you guys mongering in the Phillipines, have you ever seen any girls that look like the Filipino pornstar Charmane Star?

Just asking, as I'm trying to work out what the quality of the girls is like out there. Plus I think she's really hot!

GoodEnough
07-04-11, 12:26
Thanks for the feedback and input. I agree with your comments about the state of the country. For me, as long as nobody gives me any problems while I am in the Philippines and there is still young to middle aged free pussy to be had, I a fine with living there. I was sent to college and grad school in America and crime there was the worst of any western country I have been to. I feel much more safe in the Philippines, than downtown Los Angeles and night.For me it's not so much a question of safety. Davao is probably the safest place I've ever lived. I'm just generally fed up with the country. Maybe I'd feel the same about Thailand or Cambodia or any other third world country after 8 years. I don't know as this is the longest I've ever lived anywhere in Asia or Africa. Perhaps the ideal for someone like me is just to live nomadically; staying a few months here and there without ever establishing a firm base that can't be left in a hurry. It's certainly got its attractions, at least in theory. I' not trying to influence anyone else's thinking; just saying that for me it's time for a change.

GE

FreebieFan
07-04-11, 14:22
For me it's not so much a question of safety. Davao is probably the safest place I've ever lived. I'm just generally fed up with the country. Maybe I'd feel the same about Thailand or Cambodia or any other third world country after 8 years. I don't know as this is the longest I've ever lived anywhere in Asia or Africa. Perhaps the ideal for someone like me is just to live nomadically; staying a few months here and there without ever establishing a firm base that can't be left in a hurry. It's certainly got its attractions, at least in theory. I' not trying to influence anyone else's thinking; just saying that for me it's time for a change.

GEI think many of us have detected that in your writings recently. I'd certainly try the nomadic style and see how that works. And of course include the Thai option. Which can be an equally infuriating place in a different way to the infuriation (is that a word?) of Philippines. Malaysia is the dull conservative option. Will be interested to see what you do and where you go.

LoveAsianWhores
07-04-11, 20:20
not meaning to defend the hiring of **** girls, but in the last raids, have you read any account which proved **** girls were the purpose of the raid or were discovered? was their any suggestion the bars raided were doing bold shows? we should all show sympathy for you cause blue nile, in the midst of a raid might have done you out of 250 peso. how about the poor manager of sunshine bar, probably makes $20 a day, most managers have no say in hiring, or wage payments. that raid was conducted over a claim of not paying the girls on time. now converted into forced sexual slavery. the manager faces a life sentence if convicted.

harry the horse is one of the biggest supporters of richard agnew and golden nile, as he (richard) is the self proclaimed president of the bar owner's association. pony tails was doing body paint, and at that time, these shows were approved by the recently departed mayor blueboy, the mayor's office use to issue a permit to do them. what they were doing had been allowed, then without instructions to the contrary, they are raided. yes, customers were taken in the last raid, and while they may have been released within 12 hours or so, how long before in these raids they are not released? and when you are cuffed, loaded on the bus, transported to manila. not knowing if you will be released. trying to prove you are not an owner or manager (how will you do that) , are you going to wait for harry the horse to take up your cause. ha ha. i suppose it does not matter to you that your name and nationality are splashed across the international press, engaged in [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), as has been done to the manager of sunshine bar?

camelot was raided under the guise of prostitution, yes they supposedly found **** girls, but marked money and prostituion led to the raid. the mayor's notice outside both camelot and dirty duck cited prostitution and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) as the reason for their closure, last year.

how big of a jump is it for this [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) justification to include sex tourism? as cited previously, by philippine law, prostitution is [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and for foreigners, it is a non-bailable offense, that if convicted carries a life sentence. so when the bars are put out business, and everyone is setting up their pleasures through dia, filipino heart, etc, and money is to be made one on one with you as the victim. you can remember the days of your 100 peso traffic fine.

the truth in my opinion is that this is an attack on foreign business men, who although engaged in an immoral trade, are being victimized for less than what filipino owned bars do on a regular basis, without any police action. and your only comfort is that they just have not come for you. yet. again my opinion, but there are not many places left in this world where our hobby is so easily accomodated and at such a ridiculously low price, one should be concerned. nothing can be guaranteed forever, as we see has happened over the last ten years in our home countries, it would not take much at all to wipe the philippines off our map of desireable destinations.look, i'm only commenting on some raids. lots of bad shit happens in ac because of corrupt cops. but there are actually some that feel strongly that certain practices must be eradicated. they actually go into bars where they they have strong suspicion of **** girls. all i am saying that as it happens, golden nile did a lousy job of ensuring that **** girls were not working there. i like the young, innocent looking girls, but i want to make sure they are all over 18. i have more to say, but typing this on an ipad can be a real pain, and i have a particularly hot girl that i bar fined from lancelot next to me. she is 18, 5'7", with a tight body and cute face. just got her license 2 weeks ago, (same date on all 4 cards) and i am tempted to go for another round, but i think she is a little worn put from the first session. so, it is safe to say that i am not talking from the perspective that the bars should be closed down, just in keeping them under control so that one day, some undercover western news crew doesn't come out here and find a bunch of girls who really are **** working in the bars. because that could actually spark the end of everything. there happens to be an increase in coverage worldwide on these issues right now, with the cnn freedom project resulting in a lot of attention wherever they go.

and one more thing. forget about that 250 peso event. i am much more concerned with the candy-in-lieu of change scam going on at 7/11. i never thought much about it until it was brought to my attention on this board. it always happens to me only at that particular 7/11. and again it happened today. i can't wait to post what went down, but it is going to have to wait till i bang this girl and get behind a real keyboard. but let's just say, the next time i walk into that 7/11, they'll be scrambling to put some one peso coins in the register.

GoodEnough
07-04-11, 23:49
I think many of us have detected that in your writings recently. I'd certainly try the nomadic style and see how that works. And of course include the Thai option. Which can be an equally infuriating place in a different way to the infuriation (is that a word?) of Philippines. Malaysia is the dull conservative option. Will be interested to see what you do and where you go.I can't do any immediately as I have work here that I enjoy and need to finish, but I will be checking out places over the next year. Next week I'm going to Batam for a while, and then maybe to Johor Baru or maybe up to Chaingmai where I haven't been in quite a while. I think I'll check out a couple of possibilities every couple of months, and then eventually decide on where I'm going to go next.

GE

FreebieFan
07-05-11, 02:25
I can't do any immediately as I have work here that I enjoy and need to finish, but I will be checking out places over the next year. Next week I'm going to Batam for a while, and then maybe to Johor Baru or maybe up to Chaingmai where I haven't been in quite a while. I think I'll check out a couple of possibilities every couple of months, and then eventually decide on where I'm going to go next.

GEChaing Mai is a good call. At least worth a recon visit. Last trip there I was talking to many expats who had decamped there and they all seemed to enjoy the place.

Jbiz979
07-05-11, 08:34
Women who have kids then become prostitutes are left overs. Most mongers would agree with me on this point.

In the P4p scene, I can judge because I'm the one with the money.

Morals and P4P don't mix!I would never even contemplate anything serious with a prostitute so I have to agree with you also

Lancealot1
07-05-11, 09:21
What's going on gentlemen?

I'm a long time lurker who finally has something to report on. I got to Angeles last night and it's a lot like I expected it to be (though not quite as bad as some make it out to be). It's beatdown and pretty dirty, but still a lot of fun. Reading the forum I got the impression that this would be easy, but I had no idea! It was pretty dead out and you basically have your pick. I did briefly chat with a mamasan when I first got there and she tried to tell me that they don't barfine since the raid (s). Riiiiight. Maybe she said it because I had just walked in and I'm young and pretty clean cut. Thought I was a cop? I'm definitely NOT philippino.

Quick question. What do you do if you have a lingerer who isn't really interested in leaving and wants to spend the day with you. I used the "I have work to do and it'll be boring" excuse and it didn't work. I finally broke down and told her she couldn't stay, which bummed her out. Any tips on an easy way to make a clean break.

Reading this forums have been a huge help here so cheers to you guys for making this forum so kick ass.

Wadman
07-05-11, 10:06
What's going on gentlemen?

Quick question. What do you do if you have a lingerer who isn't really interested in leaving and wants to spend the day with you. I used the "I have work to do and it'll be boring" excuse and it didn't work. I finally broke down and told her she couldn't stay, which bummed her out. Any tips on an easy way to make a clean break.You have to go meet your friends (male friends) , and you will be doing guy things, boys only. Works best if you really have some buddies in town, and you call them up and plan a meeting over the phone. That way she can hear you and know the meeting is real.

Lancealot1
07-05-11, 10:24
You have to go meet your friends (male friends) , and you will be doing guy things, boys only. Works best if you really have some buddies in town, and you call them up and plan a meeting over the phone. That way she can hear you and know the meeting is real.I like it! Thanks.

MadisonGuy
07-06-11, 23:50
I just read a report in another forum of an American who was actually grabbed in the raid in AC. I'm honestly quite pissed because I figured the few guys who may have been grabbed were doing something wrong. But no the 2 americans and 2 japanese guys were the calm type from the sounds of it. They were going to try to fine them for some kind of sex crimes but then eventually just let everyone go after 19 hours. I got to say if they pulled that shit on me they would never hear the end of it, and they let these guys call the embassy and the embassy didn't do shit. How the hell can you go to a bar and have a beer and get detained for 19 hours. I'm going to Manila tomorrow and AC in 4 days and I am not changing a single plan, I'd love to see them deal with me for 19 hours. If they have a problem with their bars close them down, don't be fucking dumb asses and detain people illegally. They made all 4 of the men sign something saying they were not harmed, I wouldn't have signed that shit. I say until you stand up to the court yard bully he's always going to be the bully. Unfortunately things won't change and raids will happen periodically until something is done about it, stupid fucking liberal stop sex trafficking shit. Fucking liberals screw up another wonderful freedom.

Mr Enternational
07-07-11, 00:10
Quick question. What do you do if you have a lingerer who isn't really interested in leaving and wants to spend the day with you. I used the "I have work to do and it'll be boring" excuse and it didn't work. I finally broke down and told her she couldn't stay, which bummed her out. Any tips on an easy way to make a clean break.You did the right thing. Just give them the money and tell them they can go now. Runner? What the fuck is a runner? Like I have said time and time again in AC and Pattaya I have to literally put the girls out. They will try to stay until the cows come home. You just witnessed that first hand.

MadisonGuy
07-07-11, 00:43
You did the right thing. Just give them the money and tell them they can go now. Runner? What the fuck is a runner? Like I have said time and time again in AC and Pattaya I have to literally put the girls out. They will try to stay until the cows come home. You just witnessed that first hand.Whatever happened to me time? I remember on my first monger trip to Del Rey I picked up this girl and I was totally new and broke all the rules. Anyway worked it out for the girl to do an all nighter but I wasn't really horny because I just got done with 3 seperate girls within six hours before I met her. Well some how that played to my sexyness or something and after a long night of bar hoping and strip clubs we came back to my hotel and I was beat and wanted to sleep and I told her she could stay up and watch TV. I woke up like 5am feeling like a panic attack or something weird and she's rambling off tons of spanish like crazy and at the time I didn't know anything in spanish. I told her you have to leave and she didn't want to and start crying and throwing a tantrum and I kept giving her the money and pushing her towards the door, remember I'm feeling like I have the flu or something weird and don't want to deal with this shit. Finally I push her out the door with the $100 tucked in her arm and she rips it up into like 40 pieces and throws it on the ground. I just close the door take a shower and go to bed. The next day I realized she drank a whole bottle of rum from the open bar and was just shit faced. The next day I saw her at Del Rey and she hung out with me everyday and was cool when she was sober, she saved me a ton of money because I only hit a massage parlor once a day on top of what she was providing for me.

Jbiz979
07-07-11, 00:50
I just read a report in another forum of an American who was actually grabbed in the raid in AC. I'm honestly quite pissed because I figured the few guys who may have been grabbed were doing something wrong. But no the 2 americans and 2 japanese guys were the calm type from the sounds of it. They were going to try to fine them for some kind of sex crimes but then eventually just let everyone go after 19 hours. I got to say if they pulled that shit on me they would never hear the end of it, and they let these guys call the embassy and the embassy didn't do shit. How the hell can you go to a bar and have a beer and get detained for 19 hours. I'm going to Manila tomorrow and AC in 4 days and I am not changing a single plan, I'd love to see them deal with me for 19 hours. If they have a problem with their bars close them down, don't be fucking dumb asses and detain people illegally. They made all 4 of the men sign something saying they were not harmed, I wouldn't have signed that shit. I say until you stand up to the court yard bully he's always going to be the bully. Unfortunately things won't change and raids will happen periodically until something is done about it, stupid fucking liberal stop sex trafficking shit. Fucking liberals screw up another wonderful freedom.LOL! Well at least you haven't let this event get to you.

WestCoast1
07-07-11, 01:27
Arrived in AC at 1am. Dropped my stuff and ate. Walked Fields starting near 7-11 about 2am, headed towards Blue Nile. Hit several bars. Not in the mood for fun, long flight, just drinking. Every time I mentioned the word 'barfine', I would get a telling lecture from whatever girl / waitress that 'barfine' is kind of a taboo word after the recent raids. 'EWR"? No! Some new secret word? Nope. Several bars are back to letting the girl go for "ten drinks only". When I asked how much that costs, its p1400 (Valhalla) to 1500.

In valhalla, a waitress (not bad!) asked I wanted to buy ten drinks for any of the dancers. I said I was just drinking. Then she whispered that her shift would end soon, and offered to come to my hotel for 500. If I wanted another girl she had a friend who danced at another bar and the shift just ended who would also come for 500. A waitress at Coyote Ugly called a dancer down and we chatted. Same routine, when I said no ewr tonight she offered to come over when her shift ended. I said maybe, for 500, ran thru my laundry list, including 10am. She nodded yes. When I reminded her that was less than her normal ewr pay, she said "500 better than nothing. Look no customer." And she was right, I was the only gringo.

I hit upon, or was hit upon. 6-7 SW, all offering or agreeing to 500 for ST, including 3-somes. Also several bakla.

Then, tough-guy that I am, I blew it. I let a SW chat me up outside the Blue Nile area. She called another gal for a 3-some. While waiting for the other gal, the first one felt me up, and picked my pocket clean of 2200. When the second gal showed up fugly, I walked off, not yet noticing the missing dough. About one minute later near Kok's, I found it missing. A look back up the street and the girls were gone. Boy, I showed THEM huh? Live / learn.

Wonderer
07-07-11, 04:18
I had planned to go to AC in a few days, but have not booked yet. I have been there several times in the past, had really great fun and wrote a number of posts here.

Now, I am reading about a number of raids and foreigners that were put into jail, etc. That's not exactly what I am looking forward to. I don't think they put you into the cell together with the girls? So being jailed (and even if it is for several hours only. Who knows in advance?) is no real fun.

I understand that some of you brave brothers are out there. Thanks, Westcoast1 for your report. I understand that there are still options available, but I would assume that the mood is somewhat depressed. Ok, I understand that you can get cheap P4P, but well, given all the other hassle. Is it worth it?

I appreciate any update on the situation. Are any bars closed? Which ones? Have you spoken to the locals? It appears that. At least in some cases. They know in advance of the raids.

According to my experience, such raids are often a kind of "wave", when some politicians are pushing, e. G. Due to elections, pressure from the US, need for money, etc. But then, the time of raids is followed by some time of calm or "ceasefire".

So, it might be that within a week or two things have normalized. But it could also be that the issues last for longer.

Any update you might have is highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance to the brave punters!

Wonderer.


Arrived in AC at 1am. Dropped my stuff and ate. Walked Fields starting near 7-11 about 2am, headed towards Blue Nile. Hit several bars. Not in the mood for fun, long flight, just drinking. Every time I mentioned the word 'barfine', I would get a telling lecture from whatever girl / waitress that 'barfine' is kind of a taboo word after the recent raids. 'EWR"? No! Some new secret word? Nope. Several bars are back to letting the girl go for "ten drinks only". When I asked how much that costs, its p1400 (Valhalla) to 1500.

In valhalla, a waitress (not bad!) asked I wanted to buy ten drinks for any of the dancers. I said I was just drinking. Then she whispered that her shift would end soon, and offered to come to my hotel for 500. If I wanted another girl she had a friend who danced at another bar and the shift just ended who would also come for 500. A waitress at Coyote Ugly called a dancer down and we chatted. Same routine, when I said no ewr tonight she offered to come over when her shift ended. I said maybe, for 500, ran thru my laundry list, including 10am. She nodded yes. When I reminded her that was less than her normal ewr pay, she said "500 better than nothing. Look no customer." And she was right, I was the only gringo.

I hit upon, or was hit upon. 6-7 SW, all offering or agreeing to 500 for ST, including 3-somes. Also several bakla.

Then, tough-guy that I am, I blew it. I let a SW chat me up outside the Blue Nile area. She called another gal for a 3-some. While waiting for the other gal, the first one felt me up, and picked my pocket clean of 2200. When the second gal showed up fugly, I walked off, not yet noticing the missing dough. About one minute later near Kok's, I found it missing. A look back up the street and the girls were gone. Boy, I showed THEM huh? Live / learn.

Chocha Monger
07-07-11, 04:37
I had planned to go to AC in a few days, but have not booked yet. I have been there several times in the past, had really great fun and wrote a number of posts here.

Now, I am reading about a number of raids and foreigners that were put into jail, etc. That's not exactly what I am looking forward to. I don't think they put you into the cell together with the girls? So being jailed (and even if it is for several hours only. Who knows in advance?) is no real fun.

I understand that some of you brave brothers are out there. Thanks, Westcoast1 for your report. I understand that there are still options available, but I would assume that the mood is somewhat depressed. Ok, I understand that you can get cheap P4P, but well, given all the other hassle. Is it worth it?

I appreciate any update on the situation. Are any bars closed? Which ones? Have you spoken to the locals? It appears that. At least in some cases. They know in advance of the raids.

According to my experience, such raids are often a kind of "wave", when some politicians are pushing, e. G. Due to elections, pressure from the US, need for money, etc. But then, the time of raids is followed by some time of calm or "ceasefire".

So, it might be that within a week or two things have normalized. But it could also be that the issues last for longer.

Any update you might have is highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance to the brave punters!

Wonderer.Once the police start targeting mongers it's game over! The strategy has proved effective else where.

http://news.yahoo.com/south-korean-sex-workers-fight-protect-brothels-092505661.html

Member #3439
07-07-11, 04:55
Once the police start targeting mongers it's game over! The strategy has proved effective else where.

http://news.yahoo.com/south-korean-sex-workers-fight-protect-brothels-092505661.htmlLove your title. It's a global War on Mongering and they will find and seize our Weapons of Ass Destruction.

Jokes aside, I note from the article on S. Korea

"Brothel workers and other critics say police crackdowns have unfairly targeted traditional red-light zones, while overlooking other sex businesses thriving in the shadows."

The same thing is happening in Rio, with the recent closure of the mecca Help freelancer disco and planned destruction of the massive Vila Mimosa RLD to make way for a train station. But the putas do move to other more discreet areas working in sex apartments and so forth. The WGs never quit being WGs, cause it's easy money. They just move elsewhere to places, not game over. Wouldn't AC girls do the same?

Undercoverh
07-07-11, 05:43
Arrived in AC at 1am. Dropped my stuff and ate. Walked Fields starting near 7-11 about 2am, headed towards Blue Nile. Hit several bars. Not in the mood for fun, long flight, just drinking. Every time I mentioned the word 'barfine', I would get a telling lecture from whatever girl / waitress that 'barfine' is kind of a taboo word after the recent raids. 'EWR"? No! Some new secret word? Nope. Several bars are back to letting the girl go for "ten drinks only". When I asked how much that costs, its p1400 (Valhalla) to 1500.

In valhalla, a waitress (not bad!) asked I wanted to buy ten drinks for any of the dancers. I said I was just drinking. Then she whispered that her shift would end soon, and offered to come to my hotel for 500. If I wanted another girl she had a friend who danced at another bar and the shift just ended who would also come for 500. A waitress at Coyote Ugly called a dancer down and we chatted. Same routine, when I said no ewr tonight she offered to come over when her shift ended. I said maybe, for 500, ran thru my laundry list, including 10am. She nodded yes. When I reminded her that was less than her normal ewr pay, she said "500 better than nothing. Look no customer." And she was right, I was the only gringo.

I hit upon, or was hit upon. 6-7 SW, all offering or agreeing to 500 for ST, including 3-somes. Also several bakla.

Then, tough-guy that I am, I blew it. I let a SW chat me up outside the Blue Nile area. She called another gal for a 3-some. While waiting for the other gal, the first one felt me up, and picked my pocket clean of 2200. When the second gal showed up fugly, I walked off, not yet noticing the missing dough. About one minute later near Kok's, I found it missing. A look back up the street and the girls were gone. Boy, I showed THEM huh? Live / learn.Thanks for your reporting from the frontlines! I really do appreciate it! It is clear that the mood has changed for AC, for long, it is anyones guess. I have no desire to fly into Manila, then take a long drive to AC to deal with the bad vibes. What's the point.

As for me, I will change my plans and not go to AC next month. The AC raid is total Filipino BS, espeically when you consider how many KTV bars and sex outlets there are in Manila. No reports of any raids there? I still have to stopover in Manila, but I will just stay in Manila and visit Air Force One (Flight 168 massage FS outlet) and StarFleet massage outlet, both near the airport and no raids. KTV is not my thing nor is the freelance bar there. I know of about 7 good FS massage outlets there in Manila, that is where I will be.

Undercoverh
07-07-11, 05:58
I just read a report in another forum of an American who was actually grabbed in the raid in AC. I'm honestly quite pissed because I figured the few guys who may have been grabbed were doing something wrong. But no the 2 americans and 2 japanese guys were the calm type from the sounds of it. They were going to try to fine them for some kind of sex crimes but then eventually just let everyone go after 19 hours. I got to say if they pulled that shit on me they would never hear the end of it, and they let these guys call the embassy and the embassy didn't do shit. How the hell can you go to a bar and have a beer and get detained for 19 hours. I'm going to Manila tomorrow and AC in 4 days and I am not changing a single plan, I'd love to see them deal with me for 19 hours. If they have a problem with their bars close them down, don't be fucking dumb asses and detain people illegally. They made all 4 of the men sign something saying they were not harmed, I wouldn't have signed that shit. I say until you stand up to the court yard bully he's always going to be the bully. Unfortunately things won't change and raids will happen periodically until something is done about it, stupid fucking liberal stop sex trafficking shit. Fucking liberals screw up another wonderful freedom.I understand where you are coming from. But, I would just caution that you are in their country and you have very little or no rights. Especially, when you get picked up during a bar raid. The cops know yor are there to fuck women from their country, and some cops do take too kindly to that idea. Given the chance, they will kick your ass and blame it on you. I have been in a few bar raids when I visited Mexico when I was young. Being calm, cool, and respectful of the cops is the best way to get out of the situation. I have seen Americans get tough with cops in Mexico and the cops beat the crap out of them. In one well know case, a young kid was killed by the cops and the parents never found the body. I know AC is not Mexico, but it is still a shit hole country with bad cops.

MadisonGuy
07-07-11, 14:09
I understand where you are coming from. But, I would just caution that you are in their country and you have very little or no rights. Especially, when you get picked up during a bar raid. The cops know yor are there to fuck women from their country, and some cops do take too kindly to that idea. Given the chance, they will kick your ass and blame it on you. I have been in a few bar raids when I visited Mexico when I was young. Being calm, cool, and respectful of the cops is the best way to get out of the situation. I have seen Americans get tough with cops in Mexico and the cops beat the crap out of them. In one well know case, a young kid was killed by the cops and the parents never found the body. I know AC is not Mexico, but it is still a shit hole country with bad cops.Yeah I'm just pissed at how wrong it is. The odds of me being caught in a raid are pretty low mainly because I'm a bar hopper just looking for trim, I don't really drink, so not much of a reason to sit in the joints. I know they supposedly know what I'm there for but they also know what the bars are there for so it really doesn't matter. Muggings and stuff don't really get to me as much as crooked cops. I was in Tijuana a couple weeks ago and there was this college kids in handcuffs outside of Hong Kong and I knew the odds of something bad happening were slim but I still stayed and watched just to make sure the cops didn't start beating the crap out of him. It turned out the argument was over $20 that he refused to pay the taxi, which the dumb ass should've got the price before the taxi even started to move. Him and his buddies were pretty drunk and not intelligent enough to realize it was their mistake so I just stepped in gave the cab driver $20 and told the guys there are about 200 virgins in that club waiting for them. They laughed and the cop uncuffed him. I would be willing to bet in the last raid had they been enough trouble (non-physical) they would have let the customers go. From the sounds of it they did and then someone said no we're taking them. Also they had a chance to run but didn't take it because they thought it would be over quickly. 19 hours is not so fast.

Undercoverh
07-07-11, 15:00
i would like to the pov of other guys regarding an idea i have regarding ac. as some of you know, the dollhouse groups owns the dollhouse, club atlantis, crystal palace, tropix, pony tails, baby dolls, and the asia club bar. the dg is well respected by fun lovers like me and the local government. the clubs are well run and i have never had any problems with the girls i take back to the hotel. dg will make sure they will not have any **** girls working in their clubs, since they have a lot to loose (e.g, mega investment in their clubs) over an **** girl. i really miss seeing sexy brown filipinas dancing on the stage and take out sex for around p1,500. i just cannot find that price in manila at the go-go bars. plus ac has a ton of girls to select from.

i do not think the cops would ever raid the dg clubs. thus, if go to ac next month and only visit the dg clubs, then i should have a nice time with no worry of raids. just a thought, i would like to know the pov of other guys regarding my idea, thanks.

Mackin
07-07-11, 16:44
i was talking today with someone in ac. they said the cops are looking for **** girls again. the guys who they took they thought they were bar owners who emplyed them. the girls in the bars were very young looking. had fake birth certificates and all. how true i can't definately say.

i do know, that no matter what, it can't keep up very long. tourism is what keeps this place going. if they kill it they kill the graft and payoffs they receive. my belief is there might be **** girls but more likely it is they are not getting paid. i believe there is a real slow season going on with air fares up and it being slow season anyway. sounds like somebody didn't pay because of supposed lack of funds or whatever.

now this is only a guess, but it won't stop me from visiting shortly. as it will be over with and back to where it was before. just a thought but if they wanted to close it down altogether why go after the little guys. hit the big bars and get the larger number of girls and bigger businesses.

Chocha Monger
07-07-11, 18:13
Love your title. It's a global War on Mongering and they will find and seize our Weapons of Ass Destruction.

Jokes aside, I note from the article on S. Korea

"Brothel workers and other critics say police crackdowns have unfairly targeted traditional red-light zones, while overlooking other sex businesses thriving in the shadows."

The same thing is happening in Rio, with the recent closure of the mecca Help freelancer disco and planned destruction of the massive Vila Mimosa RLD to make way for a train station. But the putas do move to other more discreet areas working in sex apartments and so forth. The WGs never quit being WGs, cause it's easy money. They just move elsewhere to places, not game over. Wouldn't AC girls do the same?Even though large tracts of Asia and many old and famous mongering grounds have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Religious Reich and all the odious apparatus of Feminist rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall monger in the Philippines, we shall monger across the seas and oceans, we shall monger with growing confidence and growing strength, we shall defend our hobby, whatever the cost may be. We shall monger on the beaches, we shall monger on the landing grounds, we shall monger in the fields and in the streets, we shall monger in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were cleared of mongering venues, then our providers beyond the seas, would carry on the struggle.

Zona12
07-07-11, 23:28
I just read a report in another forum of an American who was actually grabbed in the raid in AC. I'm honestly quite pissed because I figured the few guys who may have been grabbed were doing something wrong. But no the 2 americans and 2 japanese guys were the calm type from the sounds of it. They were going to try to fine them for some kind of sex crimes but then eventually just let everyone go after 19 hours. I got to say if they pulled that shit on me they would never hear the end of it, and they let these guys call the embassy and the embassy didn't do shit. How the hell can you go to a bar and have a beer and get detained for 19 hours. I'm going to Manila tomorrow and AC in 4 days and I am not changing a single plan, I'd love to see them deal with me for 19 hours. If they have a problem with their bars close them down, don't be fucking dumb asses and detain people illegally. They made all 4 of the men sign something saying they were not harmed, I wouldn't have signed that shit. I say until you stand up to the court yard bully he's always going to be the bully. Unfortunately things won't change and raids will happen periodically until something is done about it, stupid fucking liberal stop sex trafficking shit. Fucking liberals screw up another wonderful freedom.When you are in lock up, they have ways to isolate you and force you to enjoy the 19 hours. And in the end, you will sign the no harm form or, if you are too much trouble, you just disappear.

Better to pick your battles and have fun. If you are going with the attitude of destruction and "I'm the Boss", I see you in jail or an unmarked grave.

Relax, calm down.

WestCoast1
07-08-11, 02:27
A plug for Phillies Restobar, corner Fields and Raymond, right on the main drag. Open-air place, live band most every night, and 8 breakfast specials each morning (ie, pancakes / sausage, or eggs / bacon, etc) for p99 and includes bottomless java. Large screen TV's. Nice.

Red Kilt
07-08-11, 02:31
i was talking today with someone in ac. they said the cops are looking for **** girls again. the guys who they took they thought they were bar owners who emplyed them. the girls in the bars were very young looking. had fake birth certificates and all. how true i can't definately say.

. .i heard from an ac resident that the guys who were picked up did not have any i d with them and that gave an excuse to take them.

the word is to always carry a photocopy of your passport which i understand is deemed acceptable. it seems like a small precaution worth taking if you are bar-hopping.

Amjeck
07-08-11, 02:36
Is there a list of all the bars that got raided in the last year or so?

WestCoast1
07-08-11, 02:42
The dancers just keep getting chubbier. More blah looking. Its still easy to find a few cuties, but criminy about 40% of the dancers could knock off ten (or 20) pounds.

Undercoverh
07-08-11, 03:43
I was going to cancel at the Swiss Hotel, I told them by email I was going to cancel. But then, I changed my mind, but I told them I still had concerns about the raids and arrest. Here is their reply:

"Thank you for confirming your room reservation, we'll now confirm it. Business usual here Sir, nothing to worry about."

By business as usual, he means have fun at the clubs and do not worry.

Wadman
07-08-11, 04:11
I was going to cancel at the Swiss Hotel, I told them by email I was going to cancel. But then, I changed my mind, but I told them I still had concerns about the raids and arrest. Here is their reply:

"Thank you for confirming your room reservation, we'll now confirm it. Business usual here Sir, nothing to worry about."

By business as usual, he means have fun at the clubs and do not worry.Methinks he means: please keep your reservation at Swiss Chalet hotel, we do not want to loose our income.

Lancealot1
07-08-11, 06:43
i was going to cancel at the swiss hotel, i told them by email i was going to cancel. but then, i changed my mind, but i told them i still had concerns about the raids and arrest. here is their reply:

"thank you for confirming your room reservation, we'll now confirm it. business usual here sir, nothing to worry about."

by business as usual, he means have fun at the clubs and do not worry.honestly friend. i think you are way too worried about this. i was there just a few days ago and it was no big deal. the clubs are all up and running and though there isn't a ton of traffic (i was there during the week) , nothing felt all that out of place. if anything the girls were really desperate for business. go. enjoy yourself. be smart.

bars in the states get raided all the time for anything from **** drinking, to gambling, to whatever. drinking a beer and talking to a girl in an angeles bar is not illegal. i think carrying a copy of your passport is a smart move.

FreebieFan
07-08-11, 06:44
Even though large tracts of Asia and many old and famous mongering grounds have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Religious Reich and all the odious apparatus of Feminist rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall monger in the Philippines, we shall monger across the seas and oceans, we shall monger with growing confidence and growing strength, we shall defend our hobby, whatever the cost may be. We shall monger on the beaches, we shall monger on the landing grounds, we shall monger in the fields and in the streets, we shall monger in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were cleared of mongering venues, then our providers beyond the seas, would carry on the struggle.HAHAHAH. Fabulous. Winnie would be turning in his grave (or in his mongering bed) to hear the paraphrase here. Nice one CM!

WestCoast1
07-08-11, 07:41
I was going to cancel at the Swiss Hotel, I told them by email I was going to cancel. But then, I changed my mind, but I told them I still had concerns about the raids and arrest. Here is their reply:

"Thank you for confirming your room reservation, we'll now confirm it. Business usual here Sir, nothing to worry about."

By business as usual, he means have fun at the clubs and do not worry.Under, I'm here now. Besides being not smart and getting my pocket picked (my fault) , things are pretty normal here (which means, if you've not been here before, its a whole new world). The only thing out of place is that the bars have vehemently stopped using the word 'barfine'. Just ask how much is the early release and they will tell you the price. Hotels seem to be at / near capacity.

Also, the S/T bars on Santos St are still charging 700-750, but have all lowered the timeframe from 4 hours to 2 hours in your room. No reasonable explanation, each mama has said, "Owner decide it."

Lancealot1
07-08-11, 10:17
You did the right thing. Just give them the money and tell them they can go now. Runner? What the fuck is a runner? Like I have said time and time again in AC and Pattaya I have to literally put the girls out. They will try to stay until the cows come home. You just witnessed that first hand.And these girls want to travel with you bad! I doesn't even matter if they know where it is. I could probably say I was going to North Korea and it would quickly be followed by,"Can I come with you?"

Undercoverh
07-08-11, 14:43
Under, I'm here now. Besides being not smart and getting my pocket picked (my fault) , things are pretty normal here (which means, if you've not been here before, its a whole new world). The only thing out of place is that the bars have vehemently stopped using the word 'barfine'. Just ask how much is the early release and they will tell you the price. Hotels seem to be at / near capacity.

Also, the S / T bars on Santos St are still charging 700-750, but have all lowered the timeframe from 4 hours to 2 hours in your room. No reasonable explanation, each mama has said,"Owner decide it."Thanks for the update! I will be there next month!

Undercoverh
07-08-11, 14:45
honestly friend. i think you are way too worried about this. i was there just a few days ago and it was no big deal. the clubs are all up and running and though there isn't a ton of traffic (i was there during the week) , nothing felt all that out of place. if anything the girls were really desperate for business. go. enjoy yourself. be smart.

bars in the states get raided all the time for anything from **** drinking, to gambling, to whatever. drinking a beer and talking to a girl in an angeles bar is not illegal. i think carrying a copy of your passport is a smart move.your input is very helpful, thanks. i am looking fowrad to see those lbfm dance on stage!

Mackin
07-08-11, 18:46
I fully agree about the passport copy. I always have a copy in my back pocket. Any foreign country travel automatically signal to do this.

Droplet
07-09-11, 00:27
Just a quick question, me being an avid photgrapher, I carry a digital SLR around with me. I've seen videos of bars such as doll house where plenty of of cameras are taken inside. Did any of you see people taking their SLRs inside too? This is just to get some good shots of the girls before the fun. Does the bar charge you anything to go inside? Or can you go in and out without problems? Is it safe to go around angeles for one evening with a SLR?

Thanks,

WestCoast1
07-09-11, 00:46
Just a quick question, me being an avid photgrapher, I carry a digital SLR around with me. I've seen videos of bars such as doll house where plenty of of cameras are taken inside. Did any of you see people taking their SLRs inside too? This is just to get some good shots of the girls before the fun. Does the bar charge you anything to go inside? Or can you go in and out without problems? Is it safe to go around angeles for one evening with a SLR?

Thanks, Used to be fine. They are less and less OK with it now (for whatever reason). Some now have sign on the wall, NO VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHY. Even if no sign, if you pull out the cam, girls will start telling you its not allowed. I used to take pics in every bar on every trip.

RK, same on the passport copy. I get color photocopies at Kinko's, and put one in every luggage and carry one in my back pocket at all times. Have only been asked for I'd twice, once in phils and once indonesia. Both times the copy was fine.

Slippery
07-09-11, 01:23
And the last 2 time I came back from there flying into Detroit, I and every single male I saw go through customs was asked if he had a camera. I saw a bull dyche customs woman go through a guy's cam. I passed through. No cam. They could have searched and still no cam. Never give them enough evidence to convict you with.

FurryFriend
07-09-11, 02:09
Is it safe to go around angeles for one evening with a SLR?Not only will you be marked as a newbie, you will be a serious target for theft and mugging. Your SLR camera is worth the equivalent of 4 months' salary for an average Filipino.

Do not go to the Philippines, particularly Angeles City, flashing wealth around.

MauiDude
07-09-11, 08:01
Just a quick question, me being an avid photgrapher, I carry a digital SLR around with me. I've seen videos of bars such as doll house where plenty of of cameras are taken inside. Did any of you see people taking their SLRs inside too? This is just to get some good shots of the girls before the fun. Does the bar charge you anything to go inside? Or can you go in and out without problems? Is it safe to go around angeles for one evening with a SLR?

Thanks, Some bars have photo nights and times when you can take photos.

Some let you take photos of your friends and girls you buy drinks for.

Some do not like photos. Best to ask.

It is dangerous in angeles but the odds are in your favor if you are careful.

Some people never have a problem

I have been with friends that have very expensive cameras they can not canceal.

They do take risk but they also pay attention and don't go too far off the tourist paths.

I have been in angeles about four years and I think all of us foreigners are targets and I believe we are being watched for

Opportunities to steal and extort from us. I have had very little problems as I keep a very low profile.

And pay attention and avoid what I can.

MauiDude
07-09-11, 10:32
Anyone try massage parlor in angeles around fields or santos street.

I have tried a few and no extras offered. Tried to see if there were. But then I really wanted

A real massage and was only curious untill I met a hot massage girl.

Massage not that good. I asked about extras and she only joked.

But did not specifically say yes or no

To me that was a no?

Droplet
07-09-11, 11:13
And the last 2 time I came back from there flying into Detroit, I and every single male I saw go through customs was asked if he had a camera. I saw a bull dyche customs woman go through a guy's cam. I passed through. No cam. They could have searched and still no cam. Never give them enough evidence to convict you with.You mean they were looking for photos from the bars? How strange. What can they convict you of. Even if they find photos of naked girls on your drive, so what?

Thanks for the answers. Looking at the photos from field avenue etc it looks pretty safe with all those people around. Maybe I could take a small digital camera in the pocket.

Thanks,

Frenzy3
07-09-11, 11:32
And the last 2 time I came back from there flying into Detroit, I and every single male I saw go through customs was asked if he had a camera. I saw a bull dyche customs woman go through a guy's cam. I passed through. No cam. They could have searched and still no cam. Never give them enough evidence to convict you with.Customs in australia target people comming back from PI, I have had my computers and phones taken away and searched, at the time the news started reporting guys getting busted with porn from PI, seems they have been asked not to report it any more. I for one will not travel with porn on my laptop and phone if I have to go through customs. The laws do not allow for import even if it your own,

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/travellers-to-be-searched-for-porn-20100520-vh09.html

Droplet
07-09-11, 12:34
Customs in australia target people comming back from PI, I have had my computers and phones taken away and searched, at the time the news started reporting guys getting busted with porn from PI, seems they have been asked not to report it any more. I for one will not travel with porn on my laptop and phone if I have to go through customs. The laws do not allow for import even if it your own,

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/travellers-to-be-searched-for-porn-20100520-vh09.htmlThis is very useful information. I'm planning to take a laptop / net book with me when I travel to store photos. Will there be trouble if they find photos of naked girls on the drive?

And how do they exactly search your computer? I can't imagine they going through all your folders. It makes searching practically impossible. How long do they take your computer away for?

Saigon John
07-09-11, 12:38
Customs in australia target people comming back from PI, I have had my computers and phones taken away and searchedI use a free program called TrueCrypt to encrypt all my personal pictures and data on my laptop. More than a search by custom officials, I fear theft of my laptop or an unexpected trip to the repairman. Google for "edison chen photo scandal".

Also keep in mind that the file delete function in Windows (and likely also on any camera) does not actually overwrite the data but only deletes the reference of file from the file system table. There are free utilities available to delete private data permanently from storage devices.

Brymor
07-09-11, 16:37
This is an interesting discussion and I would like to recount a very embarrassing incident that happened to me today. Although it took place in Cebu City it is very relevant to the discussion here.

I had taken a few photos of Daisy (my regular gf) and her kids around my hotel and the pool and we went to Ayalla Mall to get them printed on photographic paper so she would have a memento of her stay. Now I had quite a few very compromising photos on my camera that I had deleted before I came to the Philippines. I deleted them because of concerns with customs, but also because I did not want any girls finding photos that would have provided prima facie evidence of misbehaviour.

Anyway once in Ayalla we went to a photographic store and the assistant removed the memory card and inserted into a machine with a screen that was truly enormous. Imagine my absolute horror when all my misdeeds were displayed on a massive computer screen with my gf, her two kids, the shop assistant and half the customers watching. To say I nearly died is a gross understatement and I frantically asked the assistant to remove it from the screen as I could feel my face getting redder and hotter. Daisy just pointed to each photo and said "who is that?" "oh what are you doing there?" as they were all displayed on the massive screen as an album style for all to see.

I wanted the ground to open up and swallow me there and then and after what seemed a lifetime I finally retrieved my memory card from the assistant who could hardly contain her laughter. I went straight outside the shop and immediately tried to delete the incriminating photos, but guess what. I could not find them on my camera! I spent nearly 30 minutes feeling very agitated with myself and feverishly trying all the options on the menu but no amount of trying would reveal the location of these photos to delete. I am assuming I need to insert my memory card into a laptop with a card reader and manually do this myself. It seems my camera (Samsun ES70) will allow me to delete photos from the camera, but not the memory card. Anyway I have learnt my lesson the hard way, but then at least I am better off having discovered this in a shop in the Philippines, than by Customs as I enter back into my own country.

Lesson learnt!

MadisonGuy
07-09-11, 17:00
This is an interesting discussion and I would like to recount a very embarrassing incident that happened to me today. Although it took place in Cebu City it is very relevant to the discussion here.

I had taken a few photos of Daisy (my regular gf) and her kids around my hotel and the pool and we went to Ayalla Mall to get them printed on photographic paper so she would have a memento of her stay. Now I had quite a few very compromising photos on my camera that I had deleted before I came to the Philippines. I deleted them because of concerns with customs, but also because I did not want any girls finding photos that would have provided prima facie evidence of misbehaviour.

Anyway once in Ayalla we went to a photographic store and the assistant removed the memory card and inserted into a machine with a screen that was truly enormous. Imagine my absolute horror when all my misdeeds were displayed on a massive computer screen with my gf, her two kids, the shop assistant and half the customers watching. To say I nearly died is a gross understatement and I frantically asked the assistant to remove it from the screen as I could feel my face getting redder and hotter. Daisy just pointed to each photo and said "who is that?" "oh what are you doing there?" as they were all displayed on the massive screen as an album style for all to see.

I wanted the ground to open up and swallow me there and then and after what seemed a lifetime I finally retrieved my memory card from the assistant who could hardly contain her laughter. I went straight outside the shop and immediately tried to delete the incriminating photos, but guess what. I could not find them on my camera! I spent nearly 30 minutes feeling very agitated with myself and feverishly trying all the options on the menu but no amount of trying would reveal the location of these photos to delete. I am assuming I need to insert my memory card into a laptop with a card reader and manually do this myself. It seems my camera (Samsun ES70) will allow me to delete photos from the camera, but not the memory card. Anyway I have learnt my lesson the hard way, but then at least I am better off having discovered this in a shop in the Philippines, than by Customs as I enter back into my own country.

Lesson learnt!That sucks man, the camera actually stores a couple photos in internal memory so be careful. Just because the card is clear doesn't mean the camera doesn't have any.

Frenzy3
07-09-11, 17:31
This is very useful information. I'm planning to take a laptop / net book with me when I travel to store photos. Will there be trouble if they find photos of naked girls on the drive?

And how do they exactly search your computer? I can't imagine they going through all your folders. It makes searching practically impossible. How long do they take your computer away for?It was about 20 mins I would say they did a search of the HDD, truecrypt is a good idea. Just have a good name for the truecrypt volume like bible-stories. Mpg. LOL

Droplet
07-09-11, 17:45
I feel for you buddy. It is so unfortunate. Esp that you remembered to delete them.

Whats the worst thing that can happen at the customs? I'm guessing only embarassment and nothing else that will get you into trouble?


This is an interesting discussion and I would like to recount a very embarrassing incident that happened to me today. Although it took place in Cebu City it is very relevant to the discussion here.

I had taken a few photos of Daisy (my regular gf) and her kids around my hotel and the pool and we went to Ayalla Mall to get them printed on photographic paper so she would have a memento of her stay. Now I had quite a few very compromising photos on my camera that I had deleted before I came to the Philippines. I deleted them because of concerns with customs, but also because I did not want any girls finding photos that would have provided prima facie evidence of misbehaviour.

Anyway once in Ayalla we went to a photographic store and the assistant removed the memory card and inserted into a machine with a screen that was truly enormous. Imagine my absolute horror when all my misdeeds were displayed on a massive computer screen with my gf, her two kids, the shop assistant and half the customers watching. To say I nearly died is a gross understatement and I frantically asked the assistant to remove it from the screen as I could feel my face getting redder and hotter. Daisy just pointed to each photo and said "who is that?" "oh what are you doing there?" as they were all displayed on the massive screen as an album style for all to see.

I wanted the ground to open up and swallow me there and then and after what seemed a lifetime I finally retrieved my memory card from the assistant who could hardly contain her laughter. I went straight outside the shop and immediately tried to delete the incriminating photos, but guess what. I could not find them on my camera! I spent nearly 30 minutes feeling very agitated with myself and feverishly trying all the options on the menu but no amount of trying would reveal the location of these photos to delete. I am assuming I need to insert my memory card into a laptop with a card reader and manually do this myself. It seems my camera (Samsun ES70) will allow me to delete photos from the camera, but not the memory card. Anyway I have learnt my lesson the hard way, but then at least I am better off having discovered this in a shop in the Philippines, than by Customs as I enter back into my own country.

Lesson learnt!

Frenzy3
07-09-11, 17:59
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/cir1956432/s4a.html

(be) describe or depict in a way that is likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult, a person who is, or who appears to be, a child under 18 (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) ;

How many pina girls who are 20+ but look younger due to their size. I like 30-40 kg girls I think some of my photos I could not import. Yet I can post online. WTF.

Note http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2005L00376/Html/Text

Paragraph 4A (1A) (be)

Omit.

Looks like, a child under 16.

Insert.

Appears to be, a child under 18

Sammon
07-09-11, 18:04
That sucks man, the camera actually stores a couple photos in internal memory so be careful. Just because the card is clear doesn't mean the camera doesn't have any.It is true that the Camera Internal memory can store many Photos. But if it is just the memory card you gave to the shop assistant the memory card should be clear of your deleted pics.

There is no way the memory card has two places where it can store pics. It is not like the computer where even if you delete lots of stuff they can be found hiding in various places.

The computer wizard can get the files back.

I think you made a mistake in deleting the pics.

The shop assistant could have deleted your pics after you complained. This explains why you cannot find it anymore.

BionicMan
07-09-11, 18:08
Awful situation for our friend.

I don't know how he escaped. If he was not in the pictures he could always say that the memory card had a bit of a history. I once boughg a very cheap one to find out it came from a navigator with navigation software in it.

Worst happen to' me and wife. I was in the process of deleting tens of pictures from Asia (having saved them on a stick) and at the same time sending an email to' a (female) collegue of my wife.

For whatever reason ALL the photos were attached to that mail. Found out later from wife. Luckily the collegue was nice enough not to tell the whole content of the photos but just about some of an asian girl in a hotel room with a bathrobe on. And added"I don't tell you about the others". Apparently my face or person was not reported being in the pictures. I sorted it out by saying they were photos of some collegue Who was working on my pc with his memory card.

Don't know whether she believes it or not.

And the collegue.good friend of my wife- never mentioned to' me about the photo content. Good girl!

Big Mac1
07-09-11, 23:12
This is very useful information. I'm planning to take a laptop / net book with me when I travel to store photos. Will there be trouble if they find photos of naked girls on the drive?

And how do they exactly search your computer? I can't imagine they going through all your folders. It makes searching practically impossible. How long do they take your computer away for?Ok, this is a really bad first post for me to this forum, but the issue being discussed is kind of in my area of expertise, so I felt

Compelled to chime in after lurking here for a few years.

Don't make things harder than they have to be. Yes, TrueCrypt is a great open source (free) software application to encrypt files,

BUT, if you really want peace of mind when coming back through customs, simply do NOT store any videos or pictures on your

Phone, camera, or laptop at all.

Simply 'Google Amazon S3'. Sign up for a free encrypted storage account, these accounts are "very secure" and used by 80% of professional online marketers and whatnot, you can set your files to completely "restricted / private" states, and then simply upload all your content to your own online storage account (video, pictures, even a book you've written) doesn't matter!

Once your material is uploaded and stored on amazon s3, it matters not who looks at your camera, laptop, or cell phone as there will be no content there, they will only get to see what you decide to allow them to see!

Once back in your home country, sign into your account and download the stuff back onto your home computer. The only pain in using this method is that the PI usually has slower internet connections, so you will have to sit there for a few hours while you

Upload larger files (ie, videos).

Droplet
07-09-11, 23:37
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/cir1956432/s4a.html

(be) describe or depict in a way that is likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult, a person who is, or who appears to be, a child under 18 (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not) ;

How many pina girls who are 20+ but look younger due to their size. I like 30-40 kg girls I think some of my photos I could not import. Yet I can post online. WTF.

Note.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2005L00376/Html/Text

Paragraph 4A (1A) (be)

Omit.

Looks like, a child under 16.

Insert.

Appears to be, a child under 18So what does mean exactly? That if they search your computer and finds photos of girls, they

1) Ask you to delete them and then your ok.

Or

2) something bad like refuse entry or send you to police

Frenzy3
07-10-11, 02:15
So what does mean exactly? That if they search your computer and finds photos of girls, they

1) Ask you to delete them and then your ok.

Or

2) something bad like refuse entry or send you to police2 if they look under 18 or is lewd remember this is a 1956 law.

Suwon
07-10-11, 03:04
I like the 'cloud' storage idea. But hate the idea of wasting a day waiting for the files (a lot of videos for me) to upload!

I normally put the photos and videos on a little iPod Nano that I take along just for that purpose. I put about five songs on it. Plug some headphones in it and carry it through customs. Nobody sees iPods as hard drives. So they never ask to check it. Yet you can use an iPod as a hard drive quite easily. It's a simple way around this issue that doesn't require a lot of extra work. Just make sure that you store the photos and videos as files in a folder in the background. Not as a photo album viewable on the device itself!

FurryFriend
07-10-11, 04:23
You guys are lame worrying about about immigration finding your pics. If you're that worried, you can put your photos on an external MicroSD card. They are so small (about a centimeter in length) , you don't any creativity or ingenuity finding places to hide it. You should more worried about misplacing it.

Hairy Wonder
07-10-11, 04:54
In response to Droplet's questions, I did a Google search for border search information, and found the following informative links:

http://www.visalaw.com/privacyrisk.pdf This is a document discussing what happened to an individual attempting to cross the US / Canada border with Internet History Cache files on his computer showing visits to child porn sites. As stated by other members, Asian girls do tend to look younger than their counterparts in the rest of the world. This could be a problem at the port of entry.

http://www.federalcriminaldefenseblog.com/2011/04/articles/searches-seizures/ninth-circuit-upholds-border-searches-of-electronic-devices-hundreds-of-miles-from-border/ This is a more up-to-date (April 2011) discussion of a similar issue to the one listed above.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204964/getting_your_data_safely_across_the_border.html#tk.mod_rel This is a list of some suggestions to avoid searches by the customs agents at ports of entry. One suggestion I did not see, is something I have been considering. I have a small mp3 player (Sansa Clip) with a micro SD card slot in it. The screen on this player does not display pictures. I'm thinking my card would be safe from searches if it was stored in this player. But you never know.

I think the ultimate protection, is the suggestion of uploading the pics to an internet storage site, and wipe all traces off of your camera, laptop, cell phone, and etc.

Enjoy and be careful!

HW

Nolz7
07-10-11, 12:09
I like the 'cloud' storage idea. But hate the idea of wasting a day waiting for the files (a lot of videos for me) to upload!

I normally put the photos and videos on a little iPod Nano that I take along just for that purpose. I put about five songs on it. Plug some headphones in it and carry it through customs. Nobody sees iPods as hard drives. So they never ask to check it. Yet you can use an iPod as a hard drive quite easily. It's a simple way around this issue that doesn't require a lot of extra work. Just make sure that you store the photos and videos as files in a folder in the background. Not as a photo album viewable on the device itself!I did same thing though I have a sony walkman not an ipod. Also you can just take out your memory card and insert it into your wallet together with your paper monies. At security gate, you take your wallet put them in a bin and airport security won't even bother looking at it.

MadisonGuy
07-10-11, 12:21
In response to Droplet's questions, I did a Google search for border search information, and found the following informative links:

http://www.visalaw.com/privacyrisk.pdf

This is a document discussing what happened to an individual attempting to cross the US / Canada border with Internet History Cache files on his computer showing visits to child porn sites. As stated by other members, Asian girls do tend to look younger than their counterparts in the rest of the world. This could be a problem at the port of entry.

http://www.federalcriminaldefenseblog.com/2011/04/articles/searches-seizures/ninth-circuit-upholds-border-searches-of-electronic-devices-hundreds-of-miles-from-border/

This is a more up-to-date (April 2011) discussion of a similar issue to the one listed above.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/204964/getting_your_data_safely_across_the_border.html#tk.mod_rel

This is a list of some suggestions to avoid searches by the customs agents at ports of entry. One suggestion I did not see, is something I have been considering. I have a small mp3 player (Sansa Clip) with a micro SD card slot in it. The screen on this player does not display pictures. I'm thinking my card would be safe from searches if it was stored in this player. But you never know.

I think the ultimate protection, is the suggestion of uploading the pics to an internet storage site, and wipe all traces off of your camera, laptop, cell phone, and etc.

Enjoy and be careful!

HWOr maybe protection would be not looking at child porn? Seriously I understand fetishes and to each their own but that's one I definetely don't agree with. I myself love them young 18-20 is perfect but when the girl looks like a child. I don't know why this discussion has gone on so long, if you have pictures like that on your camera you should be locked up.

Sammon
07-10-11, 13:54
You guys are lame worrying about about immigration finding your pics. If you're that worried, you can put your photos on an external MicroSD card. They are so small (about a centimeter in length) , you don't any creativity or ingenuity finding places to hide it. You should more worried about misplacing it.Best thing to do is e mail yourself with attachment of all pics. Once you are home you can download from your e mail.

Erase all pics from camera and laptop.

Mahaba
07-10-11, 19:41
With all the chatter in this forum about "raids", etc, has anything really changed?

In my experience these so called "Raids" are generally media events that come and go.

For all you guys presently in AC, do you notice anything different, or is it business as usual?

Thanks.

WestCoast1
07-10-11, 20:05
With all the chatter in this forum about "raids", etc, has anything really changed?

In my experience these so called "Raids" are generally media events that come and go.

For all you guys presently in AC, do you notice anything different, or is it business as usual?

Thanks.Just left AC. Nothing's changed, except the bar employee's displeasure with the terms 'barfine' and 'ewr'. In Valhalla, the waitress told me the girls are not to mention going out of the bar with guys, the man must bring it up. If he mentions it and she desires to go, she will tell him to touch her shoulder, and a waitress will bring the total bill, equal to 10 drinks (I think she said 1400). This is an odd system?"We don't call it that no more. We don't speak it. They have them raids." Regardless, I got laid a lot. And on the other hand, every Santos bar I was in, almost the first thing out of a girl's mouth was 'lets go short time now'.

Mr Enternational
07-10-11, 23:20
Now I had quite a few very compromising photos on my camera that I had deleted before I came to the Philippines.

Anyway once in Ayalla we went to a photographic store and the assistant removed the memory card and inserted into a machine with a screen that was truly enormous. Imagine my absolute horror when all my misdeeds were displayed on a massive computer screen with my gf, her two kids, the shop assistant and half the customers watching.Maybe you had transferred pictures from the computer to the memory card. When you do that you can not see or delete them from the camera's functions, but they are still on the card. So next time you are deleting be sure to do it from a computer instead of just relying on the camera.

Slippery
07-11-11, 03:31
Maybe you had transferred pictures from the computer to the memory card. When you do that you can not see or delete them from the camera's functions, but they are still on the card. So next time you are deleting be sure to do it from a computer instead of just relying on the camera.Another reason why I don't take a camera with me. I don't even know WTF you guys are talking about.

MadisonGuy
07-11-11, 09:40
Hit AC last night, went to one of the clubs that Atlantis just opened up. Got a Chinese / filipina girl who did quite well in the sack. 3000 exit fee though, I didn't see any decent looking girls for 1500 in any of the clubs, going to give it another wack on the cheap tonight. On a side not I stayed at ABC in the new rooms. What a waste of money. I can honestly say that it was the worst hotel experience I've ever had. Aside from the staff being super friendly which goes for all hotels it was just a bumble fuck. The tub broke at 3 in the morning water was all over the floor and guy spent an hour trying to fix it and then finally they switched me to another room that had it's own problems and internet was not working. There's a lot of musty smells that just don't put me in the mood. There's more but why bother that's plenty bad enough. It's kind of a ghetto glam fuckarama. I'm trying Lewis now but will probably go back to Makati or Subik because there is no thrill of the chase here. The girls look like a bunch of cattle ready to be taken to market.

Socker
07-11-11, 10:40
Hit AC last night, went to one of the clubs that Atlantis just opened up. Got a Chinese / filipina girl who did quite well in the sack. 3000 exit fee though, I didn't see any decent looking girls for 1500 in any of the clubs, going to give it another wack on the cheap tonight. On a side not I stayed at ABC in the new rooms. What a waste of money. I can honestly say that it was the worst hotel experience I've ever had. Aside from the staff being super friendly which goes for all hotels it was just a bumble fuck. The tub broke at 3 in the morning water was all over the floor and guy spent an hour trying to fix it and then finally they switched me to another room that had it's own problems and internet was not working. There's a lot of musty smells that just don't put me in the mood. There's more but why bother that's plenty bad enough. It's kind of a ghetto glam fuckarama. I'm trying Lewis now but will probably go back to Makati or Subik because there is no thrill of the chase here. The girls look like a bunch of cattle ready to be taken to market.Yea I agree you should definitely go back to Manila. AC is a terrible place and remember, AC will always be that way so no need to go back there ever.

MadisonGuy
07-11-11, 18:43
Yea I agree you should definitely go back to Manila. AC is a terrible place and remember, AC will always be that way so no need to go back there ever.Yup definetely first and last time, it's odd it is the most ghetto place I have ever visited in the world but yet it is still IMO very safe just like Manilla. I feel it to be safer here than in Latin America. But if the people weren't so overly nice this would be a total wasted mongering trip. Also I expected a larger difference in buying power. Hotels are the same here as they are in Chicago, if you want to slum it up you can get them cheap but to be comfortable you still have to spend. I've been trying to get my lifetime fill of massages since that is so damn cheap. There is a place by ABC called medi-spa or something like that super cheap rates the staff are very friendly as is everyone everywhere. I've heard "Hello, sir" more in the last 5 days than I have in my entire life. I'm just about to go to walking alley and try to pull something, unfortunately in the past when I monger I normally average 2 in a day or more. Here all the girls are so skinny I'm actually sore from pounding them, not enough cushion for the pushion. Ha ha. Another thing I noticed here since it is such a condensed mongering area, normally in like Del Rey or other similar places mongers are happy go lucky kids and everyone says Hi to each other. Here the guys keep the themselves more, I haven't been here long enough to really say that's the norm. But in Makati everytime I was in the elevator I struck up a conversation with people and we atleast said where we're from. At ABC and the bars people really keep to themselves more than other places I have been. This bi chick I know from Manila might come up tomorrow to go hunting with me, she says she knows better bars but doesn't know their names, I'm sure there are some places here that are more like a normal pick up bar I just haven't found them. I know I heard a few people trying to decide between San jose and here, at this point I still think San Jose is better but I do prefer latin women. It is safer here IMO though, although much more ghetto.

Mahaba
07-11-11, 21:02
I just spoke with a friend that just returned from a 2-week diving trip to AC and Bohol. (Different type of diving in each area).

He saw the raid happen and found out that there were 2 or 3 clubs raided that apparently belong to the same guy who is known as the "Donald Trump of AC".

I guess there is a possibility the guy was targeted for not sharing his profits, or generally biting the hand / s that feed him.

Possible a "lesson" for him to play nice in the sandbox.

Any thoughts?

Member #4698
07-11-11, 21:36
Interesting reports Madison, but my take on things is a little different than yours. I spent plenty of time in CR back in the 70's. My favorite bar in San Jose was a Go Go bar called Colt 45. I don't think it is still around anymore. I was a young buck back then in my early 20's and I never paid for it. I would drop by the bar with friends an hour before closing time and we would flirt with the girls. Then we would hook up with them afterwards. I loved CR back then before the country (the beaches) got overdeveloped. But that was a LONG time ago. I went back to CR in '98 after a 15 year hiatus and I did not like it. My favorite beaches were ruined and most of the girls were not my style anymore. Of course by then, the late '90s I had sampled Thai women for over a decade and found there to be no comparison. IMHO, Thai girls win over Ticas by a big margin. I come to this point of view due to two factors: 1. I am not a fan of the Latina 'bundas'. Funny, you consider Filipinas skinny, LOL. I think most could lose a few inches around the tummy compared to Thai and Chinese girls. 2. Personality wise, I think Asian women are much more demure than Latinas. I prefer their personalities more and get along with them better. This is just my opinion so please don't take my generalizations personally. Of course, there are beautiful Ticas, but I have found the really attractive ones are not in the P4P scene anymore. Speak Spanish? Got a few months? CR is still good. Otherwise, I don't think the San Jose scene is half as good as BKK, Pat, Macau, AC and Makati. That's why I fly 20 hours to Asia instead of 3. 5 hours to San Jose or Cartagena.

On a related point, I stayed at ABC hotel in February for 5 nights before the new wing opened. I thought the hotel was pretty damn good. In fact my room was in better shape than my deluxe room at the New World Makati which was pretty good too. I admit though that when I first checked in at midnight after my direct Cebu Pacific flight from Macau to Clark, I was a little taken aback at the motif of the hotel – late 19th century bordello and wasn't sure if I had made the right choice. But 24 hours later I was won over by the je ne sais quoi quality of the hotel and had no more doubts. AC may not be my favorite place to fool around, but if you can't have a good time here forget trying.

So back to the best watering holes, My top ten list goes something like this: 1. BKK. 2. Pat. 3. Macau. 4. AC. 5. Hong Kong. 6. Phnom Penh. 7. Manila, and 8-13 (SJO, SAO, MDE, RIO, EZE, SCL). I have not been to CP, Dongguan or Cebu yet. I will check them out this October. Guess I am stuck on Asian girls and I ain't going back to S. A. For a long, long time.

Mr Enternational
07-11-11, 21:41
Hit AC last night, It's kind of a ghetto glam fuckarama. I'm trying Lewis now but will probably go back to Makati or Subik because there is no thrill of the chase here. The girls look like a bunch of cattle ready to be taken to market.Thrill of the chase? You are in a wore town not a fox hunt!


Here all the girls are so skinny I'm actually sore from pounding them, not enough cushion for the pushion.For more cushion while in AC try Blow Row. If you need more cushion than that then I am afraid you will have to make the 3 hour flight to Thailand. As I have said before, a lot of the Filipinas look good with their clothes on, but when the clothes come off you are like, "Where the hell did the body go? You are built like a 2X8!"

WestCoast1
07-11-11, 21:51
There is the ever-growing number of dancing chublets. Easily 1/3 of the dance crew in smaller bars.

Talk about overpriced. A girl in AC whom I've met for lunch several times (once with her FOX younger sister) said her sister needed to earn some tuition money. The sis also had a 'very beautiful' friend who needed to earn."She clean and beautiful. Only one f*cking her whole life." I agreed when I was there to have them over for a 3-some ST. Once there, the girl asked in txt how much I would pay each girl. I txt back 1000 each. She asked me to go online, where she said it would cost 20k per girl. Ha! I told her I could get Santos girls for 700 each. She thought that to be a lie. The next day she asked if I would pay the 20k again, and said she found out that 700 was true from one of her friends. I told her that if the girl was really THAT ganda that I would pay 1500 per girl ST. She lowered her offer to 10k each, and would not budge.

Fastpiston
07-12-11, 02:55
Some bars have photo nights and times when you can take photos.

Some let you take photos of your friends and girls you buy drinks for.

Some do not like photos. Best to ask.

It is dangerous in angeles but the odds are in your favor if you are careful.

Some people never have a problem

I have been with friends that have very expensive cameras they can not canceal.

They do take risk but they also pay attention and don't go too far off the tourist paths.

I have been in angeles about four years and I think all of us foreigners are targets and I believe we are being watched for

Opportunities to steal and extort from us. I have had very little problems as I keep a very low profile.

And pay attention and avoid what I can.Absolutely,

I do not know why I am writing this as it is so obvious. From over 20 years experience of Phils. :

Keep a low profile.

Do not make eye contact with strangers.

No jewelry, fancy watches, designer clothes or anything that catches attention. Blend in rather than stand out. You do not want to attract bugs, so do not attract thieves!

You are ALWAYS being watched, ALWAYS. You are a foreigner in a glass house.

Behave local. Look local. No need for flip-flops though.

Check local prices first from the hotel on trikes and jeepneys, On jeepneys carry the exact fare and just hand the exact fare over. For trikes always ask fare and insist on correct fare. When bargaining behave like you are bored, know the price and look like you are looking to walk away. Avoid crowded jeepneys, do not use them for routings you do not know.

Do not talk to anyone unless you have a plan and intention to do so, just smile if necessary and say nothing.

Avoid 'friendly' strangers in street and shops. Just walk on at same pace. They will then know you know what they know.

You have the money so you have the power, but do not let anyone know you have money.

I have seen too many foreigners try and pick up conversation with just about anyone. Don't.

Do give money to beggars, they are professionals, often pick pockets. Doing so attracts attention to yourself. Many bar girls have been pick pocketed by beggars in Angeles. Be careful of them getting into any physical contact. React immediately. If you want to be charitable, use the right channels (personally, I don't trust those channels either!).

Avoid dark streets.

Leave valuables and main cash in hotel safety box. Know what you put into the box as things have been lifted from them as well. Keep a credit card well 'embedded' inside your clothes, just in case.

Do not trust bar girls in the room. Do not leave money anywhere in the room.

If you travel on buses, keep a wallet with small cash and an expired credit card. If robbed, you MUST give something of interest. Keep the rest in your socks etc.

MadisonGuy
07-12-11, 05:29
Interesting reports Madison, but my take on things is a little different than yours. I spent plenty of time in CR back in the 70's. My favorite bar in San Jose was a Go Go bar called Colt 45. I don't think it is still around anymore. I was a young buck back then in my early 20's and I never paid for it. I would drop by the bar with friends an hour before closing time and we would flirt with the girls. Then we would hook up with them afterwards. I loved CR back then before the country (the beaches) got overdeveloped. But that was a LONG time ago. I went back to CR in '98 after a 15 year hiatus and I did not like it. My favorite beaches were ruined and most of the girls were not my style anymore. Of course by then, the late '90s I had sampled Thai women for over a decade and found there to be no comparison. IMHO, Thai girls win over Ticas by a big margin. I come to this point of view due to two factors: 1. I am not a fan of the Latina 'bundas'. Funny, you consider Filipinas skinny, LOL. I think most could lose a few inches around the tummy compared to Thai and Chinese girls. 2. Personality wise, I think Asian women are much more demure than Latinas. I prefer their personalities more and get along with them better. This is just my opinion so please don't take my generalizations personally. Of course, there are beautiful Ticas, but I have found the really attractive ones are not in the P4P scene anymore. Speak Spanish? Got a few months? CR is still good. Otherwise, I don't think the San Jose scene is half as good as BKK, Pat, Macau, AC and Makati. That's why I fly 20 hours to Asia instead of 3. 5 hours to San Jose or Cartagena.

On a related point, I stayed at ABC hotel in February for 5 nights before the new wing opened. I thought the hotel was pretty damn good. In fact my room was in better shape than my deluxe room at the New World Makati which was pretty good too. I admit though that when I first checked in at midnight after my direct Cebu Pacific flight from Macau to Clark, I was a little taken aback at the motif of the hotel – late 19th century bordello and wasn't sure if I had made the right choice. But 24 hours later I was won over by the je ne sais quoi quality of the hotel and had no more doubts. AC may not be my favorite place to fool around, but if you can't have a good time here forget trying.

So back to the best watering holes, My top ten list goes something like this: 1. BKK. 2. Pat. 3. Macau. 4. AC. 5. Hong Kong. 6. Phnom Penh. 7. Manila, and 8-13 (SJO, SAO, MDE, RIO, EZE, SCL). I have not been to CP, Dongguan or Cebu yet. I will check them out this October. Guess I am stuck on Asian girls and I ain't going back to S. A. For a long, long time.Yeah I could see what you're saying, I think there's a variety of factors making angeles not a great scene for me. Not being big into Asian girls is a big part of it, I couldn't find a girl I thought was attractive last night out of about 150, 2 clubs. The weather is so depressing. ABC was a very bad experience for me, they are close to making that place awesome but unfortunately really cut corners and over priced things a bit. So far one night at Lewis is much more pleasant, although not perfect I feel for half the price it's way better. Even the food is half the price and I had a great Mahi at 5am when I stumbled home with a girl I met at something Traxx which definetely helped make AC seem better because it was an awesome club, great music. I do think if I was older I would prefer Philippines to latin america. Age difference is much more accepted here, I still can pick up 18-20 in latin america so it is what it is. Another thing that although should be nice but isn't, the girls treat me like a puppy dog or something. They pawn over me too much, point out all the features that I'm assuming they think would make for good breeding. It's so weird to me. I am the type of person who likes to do my best to look my best when I go out, but here I went out last night wearing glasses and a white undershirt which I would never do in the US. I just felt like I could be a slob and it still wouldn't matter. If the weather were different all my feelings might change a litle, but as it stands I'm going to try to cut a week of my trip if Delta doesn't bend me over. Definetely for anyone who has a thing for asian girls this is the place! I do like this asia bar I think it just opened, good music and ex marine running the place. The only girls I have found remotely attractive were for 3k, I think tonight I'm going to go to the smaller bars with an it is what it is attitude and just pick up a cool chick to hang with.

Member #4698
07-12-11, 06:07
Yeah I could see what you're saying, I think there's a variety of factors making angeles not a great scene for me. Not being big into Asian girls is a big part of it, I couldn't find a girl I thought was attractive last night out of about 150, 2 clubs. Definetely for anyone who has a thing for asian girls this is the place! I do like this asia bar I think it just opened, good music and ex marine running the place. The only girls I have found remotely attractive were for 3k, I think tonight I'm going to go to the smaller bars with an it is what it is attitude and just pick up a cool chick to hang with.I may get a lot of flack for writing this in the AC thread, but fuck it.

Madison, I read your most recent post about AC and I understand what you are saying. I agree that in general AC is a pretty shitty hole and most of the girls are what I call girl next door types gone bad meaning they are not beautiful but can show you a good time if you accept their limitations and adjust your expectations. AC is so popular because the girls there are very cheap and all the action is concentrated in a small area so it is incredibly easy to get it on there, very much like Pattaya only Pat is bigger, more expensive, has better looking women IMO, better food, better hotel selection & infrastructure and is safer. Also AC girls have very good attitudes. If you treat them well they will return the favor many times over.

Have you been to Macau and Bangkok? This is where I mostly go. Macau has an unbelievable selection of great looking Asian girls. You rarely see girls in AC that are this hot and there are hundreds of the highest quality Chinese girls in Macau. In addition, these Macau sauna girls deliver fire and ice bj's, rim jobs, great shags and occasionally you get some GFE. But Macau is expensive. A 90 minute session with a Chinese model category girl runs 1800to 2100hk (around $250) in the best saunas. Compare that to 1500p for an all night session with a Fields Ave bar girl to put it in proper perspective.

Bangkok has some real beautiful girls too and I find BKK less expensive than Macau. I am just mentioning these two cities because that is where I find the most stunners in Asia and if you haven't been to these two towns you owe it to yourself to check them out before you write off Asia. I enjoyed my first trip to PI last February. For me it was a change of pace, something different but still Asian. I plan to go back as part of a greater Asian trip to Macau, CP and BKK in October.

Sao Paulo is my favorite South American city for girls. The girls there are very beautiful (and expensive), but Sao Paulo women are a completely different species. I will go back to Brazil someday, but don't know when.

MadisonGuy
07-12-11, 11:21
I may get a lot of flack for writing this in the AC thread, but fuck it.

Madison, I read your most recent post about AC and I understand what you are saying. I agree that in general AC is a pretty shitty hole and most of the girls are what I call girl next door types gone bad meaning they are not beautiful but can show you a good time if you accept their limitations and adjust your expectations. AC is so popular because the girls there are very cheap and all the action is concentrated in a small area so it is incredibly easy to get it on there, very much like Pattaya only Pat is bigger, more expensive, has better looking women IMO, better food, better hotel selection & infrastructure and is safer. Also AC girls have very good attitudes. If you treat them well they will return the favor many times over.I have not written off Asia and I would not rule out living here one day. But as for right now it's not what floats my boat. I picked a bad time to come, it's either a worse rainy season than central America or I got shit for luck because hasn't been a minute yet the pavement has been dry or sun has come out. Certainly the girls here are so so GFE past even what a real girl friend is normally like. Unfortunately that again I have not learned to like, I read a good book once called the superior man, it explains that although men say that don't want drama they tend to gravitate towards girls that create drama, I guess I am one of those guys. Just like girls who say they want to be treated good, when most really prefer the opposite. I've got 2-3 more nights here in AC before back to makati which felt a little more comfortable.

I have only walked down to fields ave between 10pm-5am from Lewis hotel until just now. Holy shit I have never been hounded more in my life to buy shit, it kind of pisses me off because 95% of them were for Cialis Viagra, so because of some cheap stupid fuckers not buying it at the pharmacy I get hounded to buy the shit. I make some mistakes, but giving money to beggers is not one I am dumb enough to make. One of the girls I met down here gave some money to a begger when I was walking with her and I told her it was a dumb idea and sure enough a bunch more came. It's like giving your dog a treat when he shits on your carpet. Staying on the medicine note I had to go to the pharmacy today because I was stupid enough to let a chick fuck me without a rubber this morning, I've been so good about mongering safely but a little meds should make for a good day after pill.

Dad Fun 555
07-12-11, 20:24
I have not written off Asia and I would not rule out living here one day.Asia is a pretty big place with 4 billion people and judging the entire continent by Fields Avenue would be like basing your opinion of North America based on some crack addict back alley way of Detroit. Just saying.

It took me several trips over several years to really "get" AC. It really is such a unique place, and operates so much different from anywhere else. You can take it just for what it is and have a pretty good time, but I think it is a big mistake to go there expecting what you're accustomed to in Latin America. It is just a totally different world.

I also did stay at ABC last week (for first time, but not first time in AC) and I do agree with you that is an overpriced shithole. It was not close to quality standard I was expecting and can get in many world cities for the same price. But when I brought 5 ladies up to my room and the staff didn't even blink an eye, that was pure luxury! I do like the idea of these types of hotels (Penthouse in Pattaya is another and also a dump) , I do wish there were more of them out there.

Mr Enternational
07-12-11, 21:01
Absolutely,

I do not know why I am writing this as it is so obvious. From over 20 years experience of Phils. :

Keep a low profile.

Do not make eye contact with strangers.

No jewelry, fancy watches, designer clothes or anything that catches attention. Blend in rather than stand out. You do not want to attract bugs, so do not attract thieves!

You are ALWAYS being watched, ALWAYS. You are a foreigner in a glass house....While we are on the subject:

http://us.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/07/12/philippines.americans.abducted/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

MadisonGuy
07-12-11, 21:54
This is just my two cents, but I think you are going overboard a little bit. You make it sound like the people here are lions and tigers and bears oh my. I have walked from fields to ABC and Lewis in the middle of the night and felt just as safe if I were in Chicago. Infact the only time I felt even a little scarred was when a guy was selling a stun gun in the middle of the day, I wouldn't say I was scared but it definetely startled me. I wear only Ralph Lauren polos and always wear my watch which I highly doubt they are going to know if it is worth $70 or $5000. I look everyone in the eyes and nod to be polite, I make it very clear that I am spending no money on anything and that I'm just for a walk so I don't want to carry anything with me. The people here are very friendly and every place has a few bad seeds, I've said this about other countries too and people have disagreed so you have to do what you feel comfortable with. BTW I am white white nordic white as someone here told me, people know I'm American 100% nobody thinks different it is very obvious. Also I would put money on that the majority of people that say it is dangerous are having sex with out condoms and driving those trikes around, those have much greater odds of danger. I've done all three so I guess my odds of trouble are getting up there. Ha ha

MadisonGuy
07-12-11, 22:10
I just had my best night in AC, I didn't even leave my hotel room! Maybe that was my problem before. Ha ha. This will be a long story so sorry if it bores anyone. I saw an ad for massage in a book and it was only 200 pesos more than going to the place I liked before. The ad said swedish. Yadda yadda nothing to do with any kind of sex or sensual massage. Anyway I booked and 20 minutes later a girl showed up, now I am extremely picky about who I get massages from. I don't need to have it be sensual but the girl has to be attractive. This girl was easily in the top 5% looks wise of the girls I have seen here so I was like nice I found a solid massuese. I kept my boxers on because I didn't want to assume anything just because it's AC, I have been to a spa that did not have that kind of extra service. Anyway this girl did an amazing job definetely one of the best massages I have had and she got a little high thigh action but was not dressed slutty so I just kind of figured it is what it is. Anyway it was so good I literally passed out the second she left, and then I woke up at like 230am and had to decide if I wanted to go down to fields, I was kind of horny. I figured I'd wait for a waitress to get off work that liked me and have this girl come over and give me a massage again. She's like the super super shy type, whenever she walks in she looks down and kind of covers her face. She started to roll up my boxers again this time and I was like should I just take them off and she's like whatever you want sir. I was like nice this might go pretty well. She finished the hour massage with me naked and nothing that sexual, but I still wanted more so go another hour. This time I thought I'd ask if she did a sensual massage, it sounded like she said no but she actually said yes. I was stoked but a hand job just wasn't going to be all that great. I had to ask her to do everything, take her clothes off, she would pull back from all my advances because of shyness it was super hot. Just like in HS when the girl would try to protect her image. Finally I slapped a condom on and pounded her incredibly tight body. I spent way less money with tip, didn't get a buzz to feel comfortable in the clubs, no sticker shock on drink prices or trikes over charging. To me it was the perfect low key night I was in need of. Next time I'm going to ask her if she wants to have a kid, genetically she has what I think will make a great kid. I figure if I have one kid in a dozen different countries one will eventually become a dictator and then I can live in their castle. Ha ha. Good night now time for breakfast / dinner at Lewis, food there is great but I still am getting the runs once a day, not sure what it's from. It might not be food though.

Chocha Monger
07-12-11, 23:52
Staying on the medicine note I had to go to the pharmacy today because I was stupid enough to let a chick fuck me without a rubber this morning, I've been so good about mongering safely but a little meds should make for a good day after pill.So, you're having a bad time in Angeles City because the girls are forcing you to fuck them bareback?

Slippery
07-13-11, 01:59
Do you produce this type of drama everywhere you go?

MadisonGuy
07-14-11, 03:35
So, you're having a bad time in Angeles City because the girls are forcing you to fuck them bareback?No definetely not, it's more like if you're a fisherman and enjoy the sport, then someone says come over to my place you won't believe the fish. You get to his place and the fish are in a barrel and he hands you a shotgun. I wouldn't say a bad time, I'm definetely making the most of it. I've been averaging 4 massages a day, but at the end of the day when I'd prefer to be with my wife who I can barely stand to the girl I'm with, well that's a bad sign. I'll be back in Makati tonight though and have a new selection of women lined up. Their seems to be a mider variety look wise there, more mixtures with other cultures. I will miss the cheapness of Angeles though. If I ever want to take a year off and just live the good life for dirt cheap I think I would consider Angeles, there is more potential than I give it credit for.

Brymor
07-14-11, 06:10
So, you're having a bad time in Angeles City because the girls are forcing you to fuck them bareback?Just curious to know what Meds you took since specific meds will only tackle specific infections? There is no such thing as one generic med that will tackle all sexually transmitted diseases

MadisonGuy
07-14-11, 12:29
Just curious to know what Meds you took since specific meds will only tackle specific infections? There is no such thing as one generic med that will tackle all sexually transmitted diseasesWell Dr Morty I'm only worried about one STD and that's the clap. So I picked up some doxycycline or something to the likes of that. I've used it in the past and so far have never to my knowledge got ghonorrhea. I've picked up molloscum with a condom on so I decided as long as it is painless it's ok with me.

Andre007
07-15-11, 06:49
Well Dr Morty I'm only worried about one STD and that's the clap. So I picked up some doxycycline or something to the likes of that. I've used it in the past and so far have never to my knowledge got ghonorrhea. I've picked up molloscum with a condom on so I decided as long as it is painless it's ok with me.If I feel the slightest itch or twinge I take 2 500mg or Zithromax at night. Sometimes may need to repeat it the next night. If that don't work then run to the doctor. It has never failed me and any or my crew.

Oh another name I been called is "the Pharmacist" because I normally know where and how and when to use meds from prior use or just like to research.

Susu Lover
07-15-11, 06:56
Just curious to know what Meds you took since specific meds will only tackle specific infections? There is no such thing as one generic med that will tackle all sexually transmitted diseasesAzithromycin, or "Zithromax" is your best bet. It's available in 500mg (a 3-tab pack) or 250mg (a 6-tab pack). It is concentration-dependent anti-biotic, meaning it kills by its dose and not by it's duration of therapy (like other antibiotics are). Usually 2 grams (one time only) of the stuff will kill off what got you. Don't treat yourself prophylactically with Zithromax (don't take it before doing anything "bad") , its a silver bullet and you don't want to shoot all your silver bullets because they might become useless in time. STD's are becoming resistant to Zithromax (especially in SE Asia and Hawaii). If you have found that you have a Zithromax-resistant STD, you are going to have to wait until you get home to get a stronger antibiotic because Cefoxitin is just too damn expensive for hospitals (let alone corner drugstores) to carry in PI. Oh yea. What I mean by STDs are only Gon and the Clap. Herpes is for life, and HPV. Well. With HPV you better fuck in the dark.

Remember, condoms help but they don't totally protect you. How many times has you scrotum banged up against the wet perineum of a loving BG? What? Do you think you ball-sack is made of steel?

Just because she is 19 doesn't mean she hasn't bedded someone like you before. And we all know how many girls you have done in your life.

Be safe and have fun. This fraternity never sleeps.

Chocha Monger
07-15-11, 07:47
Azithromycin, or "Zithromax" is your best bet. It's available in 500mg (a 3-tab pack) or 250mg (a 6-tab pack). It is concentration-dependent anti-biotic, meaning it kills by its dose and not by it's duration of therapy (like other antibiotics are). Usually 2 grams (one time only) of the stuff will kill off what got you. Don't treat yourself prophylactically with Zithromax (don't take it before doing anything "bad") , its a silver bullet and you don't want to shoot all your silver bullets because they might become useless in time. STD's are becoming resistant to Zithromax (especially in SE Asia and Hawaii). If you have found that you have a Zithromax-resistant STD, you are going to have to wait until you get home to get a stronger antibiotic because Cefoxitin is just too damn expensive for hospitals (let alone corner drugstores) to carry in PI. Oh yea. What I mean by STDs are only Gon and the Clap. Herpes is for life, and HPV. Well. With HPV you better fuck in the dark.

Remember, condoms help but they don't totally protect you. How many times has you scrotum banged up against the wet perineum of a loving BG? What? Do you think you ball-sack is made of steel?

Just because she is 19 doesn't mean she hasn't bedded someone like you before. And we all know how many girls you have done in your life.

Be safe and have fun. This fraternity never sleeps.So, you can end up with a scrotum covered with warts that can be used to tickle the perineum of a loving BG, girlfriend or wife?

FreebieFan
07-15-11, 09:03
So, you can end up with a scrotum covered with warts that can be used to tickle the perineum of a loving BG, girlfriend or wife?Or you could of course solve all your scrotum problems with a quick visit to your local handyman.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2009527/NHS-nurse-offers-backstreet-genital-enlargement-using-sealant-gun-loaded-silicone.html

Poopbunny
07-15-11, 09:06
A.

Remember, condoms help but they don't totally protect you. How many times has you scrotum banged up against the wet perineum of a loving BG? What? Do you think you ball-sack is made of steel?

Just because she is 19 doesn't mean she hasn't bedded someone like you before.Don't scare the newbies, there is enough talk already about robberies, shootings, etc.

Pretty soon they won't even want to leave the house. LOL

Maestro Boy
07-15-11, 15:46
Hi to all fellow members,

I will be visiting AC in mid Aug for about a week, since this is my first time to the Philippines, I would really appreciated if anyone wish to show me around a bit. I understand Philippines is a bit more dangerous than some of the other popular Asian locations. So drop me a line if you wish to have a wingman in tow. Thanks.

Emale
07-15-11, 15:48
While we are on the subject:

http://us.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/07/12/philippines.americans.abducted/index.html?hpt=hp_t2And the lesson here is stay away from Basilan Island and I do not think most people know where it is, let alone plan to visit there

HarryDubois
07-15-11, 16:16
Based on everything I read on the web, I get the impression that prostitutes in Angeles City provide on the average much more of a GFE than prostitutes in any other location. It's almost as if the money isn't even the main thing.

Is this fact or fiction?

MauiDude
07-15-11, 17:04
Based on everything I read on the web, I get the impression that prostitutes in Angeles City provide on the average much more of a GFE than prostitutes in any other location. It's almost as if the money isn't even the main thing.

Is this fact or fiction?It is both fact and fiction.

The girls here for the most part want to be a girl friend.

But then they become broken hearted and also have a need for money so I think they want both. The money and the boy friend.

It is all intertwined.

And then there are those that have boyfriends. And families and all they want is to support them.

There are many I meet here that just want a boyfriend but then they have a need for money and will try to get what they can from you.

I have met girls that are totally want only money and girls that totally want boyfriend and to be a girlfriend.

And a lot in between.

So its all in how yu find them and what you discover. There are some really gems here in angeles and then there are those that.

Will try to suck you dry because you got pesonaility.

I sometimes have six girls living with me as girlfriends / some are really irresponsable when it comes to money and they.

Are always asking and some just want to be in a nice place with a nice guy and don't bother me for money.

Hang out with them. If they constantly ask for money or are going to the disco and ktvs for drinking with their friends.

Or always have an excuse why they can not stay very long. Then I would cut them loose and say next.

MauiDude
07-15-11, 17:07
Based on everything I read on the web, I get the impression that prostitutes in Angeles City provide on the average much more of a GFE than prostitutes in any other location. It's almost as if the money isn't even the main thing.

Is this fact or fiction?I have had more GFE here in angeles then anywhere else.

MauiDude
07-15-11, 17:16
Hi to all fellow members,

I will be visiting AC in mid Aug for about a week, since this is my first time to the Philippines, I would really appreciated if anyone wish to show me around a bit. I understand Philippines is a bit more dangerous than some of the other popular Asian locations. So drop me a line if you wish to have a wingman in tow. Thanks.Send me a pm and if I am around I am happy to bar hop. I do get busy with travel and if I have a lot of girls then its difficult to get out and about.

Actually angeles is no more dangerous then a lot of places. But yes it can be dangerous.

Just like anywhere.

Stick to the main drag of fields and pay attention to people as usual don't let people get close and don't be too friendly with the locals.

Angeles is actually one of the easiest places to bar hop and monger. You get close to fields and santos street.

And then the clubs are just walking. Don't carry a lot of money and you will be okay. Get a nice hotel with security.

Don't wander too far from the main drag at night.

Blue nile. Doll house. Valhalla. Body shop. One eyed wench. For food philiies, and kokomos or doll house cafe

And for hotels orchid resort for cheaper rooms and wild orchid to me is the best but more expensive.

These are good places to start.

And also search through the threads here for more information. But every thing is close and you can walk everywhere

In reasonable safety

MauiDude
07-15-11, 17:27
Azithromycin, or "Zithromax" is your best bet. It's available in 500mg (a 3-tab pack) or 250mg (a 6-tab pack). It is concentration-dependent anti-biotic, meaning it kills by its dose and not by it's duration of therapy (like other antibiotics are). Usually 2 grams (one time only) of the stuff will kill off what got you. Don't treat yourself prophylactically with Zithromax (don't take it before doing anything "bad") , its a silver bullet and you don't want to shoot all your silver bullets because they might become useless in time. STD's are becoming resistant to Zithromax (especially in SE Asia and Hawaii). If you have found that you have a Zithromax-resistant STD, you are going to have to wait until you get home to get a stronger antibiotic because Cefoxitin is just too damn expensive for hospitals (let alone corner drugstores) to carry in PI. Oh yea. What I mean by STDs are only Gon and the Clap. Herpes is for life, and HPV. Well. With HPV you better fuck in the dark.

Remember, condoms help but they don't totally protect you. How many times has you scrotum banged up against the wet perineum of a loving BG? What? Do you think you ball-sack is made of steel?

Just because she is 19 doesn't mean she hasn't bedded someone like you before. And we all know how many girls you have done in your life.

Be safe and have fun. This fraternity never sleeps.I know several good clinics here and also the best std doctor is de guzman. But a few places to get tested.

And yes zithromax is one treatment. The latest guideline was two pills. 500 mg per day for three days.

In USA it was four pills one time for chlymydia.

You can get ceflxitin shots here.

And sometimes if you have a case for a period of time it may take three shots and pills for one week.

It s not only gonorrhea and chlymydia but about four or five other stds / bacterial infections of the pussy and penis.

I will not spend a lot of time here with all the information about stds. But there is a lot.

I have a few girls and I have them all get hygiene checks with my doctor.

Also I don't play with a girl unless I get them checked out. 50 % infection rate with the girls I check out.

Socker
07-15-11, 17:53
They're w / you for the money, it is their job, but they do it in a way that feels natural and friendly. If you shop around and find the right girl you will both enjoy yourselves. Then they leave you and do it all over again w / someone else. The women that do this work are amazing, I can't wait to get back. One last thing, sometimes you will pick wrong and have to return her for another. That's my 2 pesos.


Based on everything I read on the web, I get the impression that prostitutes in Angeles City provide on the average much more of a GFE than prostitutes in any other location. It's almost as if the money isn't even the main thing.

Is this fact or fiction?

MadisonGuy
07-15-11, 20:03
Based on everything I read on the web, I get the impression that prostitutes in Angeles City provide on the average much more of a GFE than prostitutes in any other location. It's almost as if the money isn't even the main thing.

Is this fact or fiction?Fact, for Philippines in general. Obviously every girl will be a little different.

TomJackin
07-15-11, 21:29
Based on everything I read on the web, I get the impression that prostitutes in Angeles City provide on the average much more of a GFE than prostitutes in any other location. It's almost as if the money isn't even the main thing.

Is this fact or fiction?Fiction: I would add Thailand and Indonesia.

And money is the main thing, don't ever think otherwise.

ManonsanBoy
07-15-11, 22:30
Based on everything I read on the web, I get the impression that prostitutes in Angeles City provide on the average much more of a GFE than prostitutes in any other location. It's almost as if the money isn't even the main thing.

Is this fact or fiction?Fiction; unless of course you are 25 and look like. Whatever. You still have to throw some cash their way.

HarryDubois
07-15-11, 22:39
Of course I'm talking about prostitutes. However my question is, on the average, are filipinas more of a GFE than prostitutes in other countries. Everything I've read seems to claim that. I'm just wondering is that a misunderstanding.

MadisonGuy
07-15-11, 22:43
I don't know what Philippines you guys have been going to but I have mongered in about a dozen countries and nothing compares GFE wise the Philippines. You don't have to be 25 because in their eyes 50 is better because old age means serious. There are still pros obviously but I normally bat 50/50 for clock watchers or someone I'm just irritated about having paid for. That never happened once in the Philippines even though asian girls aren't my thing they all performed and looked and treated me like a boyfriend. Harry trust me if you are all about GFE this place does it best. The girls are happy with whatever you give them and in Angeles I never once was asked to give a tip. If this were a latin country I don't think I'd ever leave.

Sammon
07-15-11, 22:48
Of course I'm talking about prostitutes. However my question is, on the average, are filipinas more of a GFE than prostitutes in other countries. Everything I've read seems to claim that. I'm just wondering is that a misunderstanding.In general Phi girls are very friendly if you treat them nice. Ofcourse you pay and take care of her if long time relationship. Sexwise they never say no, that is enough.

I think it is because these girls are very poor and always looking for a better life and better shoulder to lean on.

Another thing I like they are easy to please with regard to places to eat, things to see, places go etc. They are sub-servient.

I had few long time relationships but never had a fight except some instances she caught me communicating with other girls. I felt bad.

Thai and Indo girls are same. Chinese girls are more assertive, cannot be swayed easily.

I have found many spanish girls are very GFE and very good in sex to boot. Love to take care of those big boobs which is lacking in Phi.

Phantomtiger2
07-16-11, 01:07
Since I saw the STD subject come up, I am forwarding the latest info. For some of you that like to do them "raw" perhaps it's time to be more careful. Think twice before doing so as this is deadly and have no cure. The latest from CDC this week.

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A new 'super bug' of gonorrhea has been discovered in Japan that is resistant to all available antibiotics, a development that is both alarming and predictable, researchers said Monday.

The super bug, dubbed H041, has evolved to outwit cephalosporins, the last class of antibiotics generally effective against gonorrhea. The new bug has not yet been reported in the United States.

'Since antibiotics became the standard treatment for gonorrhea in the 1940s, this bacterium has shown a remarkable capacity to develop resistance mechanisms to all drugs introduced to control it, ' Dr. Magnus Unemo, of the Swedish Reference Laboratory for Pathogenic Neisseria, said in a statement.

The discovery was announced at the 19th conference for the International Society for Sexually Transmitted Disease Research in Quebec City, Canada.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has repeatedly sounded alarms about the increasing difficulty of successfully treating gonococcal infections with available antibiotics and announced the need to monitor antibiotic resistance and develop new treatment regimes.

Phantomtiger2
07-16-11, 01:15
. She lowered her offer to 10k each, and would not budge.Hey WC1,

All I can say is I don't care what they look like as 10k EACH is way too much. That's bordering on some cherry gal prices I was offered before. 10k for all 3 of them would still have me biting my tongue in pain but at least thats more doable as that would be about 3500p+ each or about some Makati prices.

Mc Don
07-16-11, 01:17
Of course I'm talking about prostitutes. However my question is, on the average, are filipinas more of a GFE than prostitutes in other countries. Everything I've read seems to claim that. I'm just wondering is that a misunderstanding.BY FAR.

I have mongered all over the world except Africa. The only thing that comes close is Thailand but only if you speak some of the language there. Indo would be up there too but you need to go outside jakarta and again language may be a problem. If you are after proper GFE find the right one, offer to take her away for few days and you will have the best GFE ever. If you are able to spend a bit more just mention Boracay. I have never paid for the girl when taken someone there. They are happy to do it for free and yeah you will have great time.

For even better experience find the right BI girls and use your imagination.

Phantomtiger2
07-16-11, 01:19
Yup definetely first and last time, it's odd it is the most ghetto place I have ever visited in the world but yet it is still IMO very safe just like Manilla.Ha ha, guess you have only visited the best places in Manila as there are ALOT of places there I would not even recommend an armed man going alone at night.

Mc Don
07-16-11, 01:25
Hi to all fellow members,

I will be visiting AC in mid Aug for about a week, since this is my first time to the Philippines, I would really appreciated if anyone wish to show me around a bit. I understand Philippines is a bit more dangerous than some of the other popular Asian locations. So drop me a line if you wish to have a wingman in tow. Thanks.I will be around Manila and AC until the 20th. PM if you want to meet up

Ekspat
07-16-11, 09:25
I will be around Manila and AC until the 20th. PM if you want to meet upMe also around within this week in August. PM for a SMB.

Cheers!

Sansai
07-16-11, 11:54
Of course I'm talking about prostitutes. However my question is, on the average, are filipinas more of a GFE than prostitutes in other countries. Everything I've read seems to claim that. I'm just wondering is that a misunderstanding.The are really is YES.

I have mongered around the world, but Filipinas give the most GFE experience.

They may not be as good or experienced in the sack but in general it's in their nature to be friendly and helpful.

IMO the main reason for this is that almost all of the girls working in bars are hoping and dreaming of finding a foreign husband.

Most are virtually uneducated and come from poor families, and therefore are well aware that their chances of landing a local boyfriend who will make a good husband are virtually nil, hence there are always dreaming of meeting Mr Right through the bars.

Sansai
07-16-11, 12:30
Have just returned from a short trip to Southeast Asia.

Spent a couple of nights in Angeles then moved on to Manila and LOS.

Angeles in particular was very wet, but July and August are rainy months so we shouldn't be surprised.

It did however limit the barhopping somewhat.

I have to admit I Angeles is quiet just now, quieter than I have ever seen it. Yes there are people around, but I guess quite a few are resident expats.

Now I normally start my barhopping soon after sundown, I must admit the number of girls in some bars around 7 to 8 PM was pretty poor, and definitely no stunners but then I do tend to concentrate on the smaller bars.

Certainly the girls were all over me, and no one refused to go with me or made any excuses.

In summary I had three good night's three different girls all doing their best to provide a good experience, but it must be said that sometimes their level of education and English was definitely lacking, but hey we can put up with miscommunications over breakfast after some fantastic romps on the bed.

On a more serious note, did have a couple of chats with Mamasan's I know.

Certainly the phrase " bar fine" is now strictly taboo, even " early work release " is used with care. Most are fines now are apparently calculated in "ladies drinks". Whichever way Peso 1, 500 is the going rate in most bars.

I did notice an increased police presence around the tourist areas at night, patrol cars parked up etc, something I've never witnessed before in Angeles, whether that makes it safer or whether they are expecting something to go down soon who knows?

Droplet
07-16-11, 14:22
I been reading infos on AC for some time. Since I'm planning to spend only a week there, theres not enough time to visit every bar.

Does it cost anything to enter the bars? I know some upscale bars like doll house has shows. Do they make their entire money from drinks and fines and not on entrances?

If this is the case, you can certainly look inside everybar for 2 min? Check out the girls and then move on?

Which bars have the best girls? Which are the best bars to go? I heard about Lost in Asia, Atlantis and Dollhouse, seems to be mentioned a lot. What makes them so special?

I know that prices are quite the same for most bars, except the upscale bars.

Thanks,

Sansai
07-16-11, 15:30
[QUOTE=Droplet; 1177071]I been reading infos on AC for some time. Since I'm planning to spend only a week there, theres not enough time to visit every bar.

Does it cost anything to enter the bars? I know some upscale bars like doll house has shows. Do they make their entire money from drinks and fines and not on entrances?

Droplet.

I have never yet been charged a cover charge or entrance at any bar in Angeles BUT I have heard that others have. Presumably non-streetwise newbies have been.

That said, other than the standard few girls slowly gyrating on stage I did not see any show in Angeles last week.

But I must qualify that statement by reiterating I did avoid the largest of the bars simply because I find them too noisy, which makes it extremely hard to communicate with would-be takeouts.

As you correctly state, the bars make their money from the drink sales and " early work release" charges. Angeles is not cheap these days, a bottle of SMB ranges from around P90 to P180 or more, ladies drinks P250 and up.

If you want the pick of the bunch, then get out early and put your money down no later than 8 PM.

Edward M
07-16-11, 15:59
I been reading infos on AC for some time. Since I'm planning to spend only a week there, theres not enough time to visit every bar.

Does it cost anything to enter the bars? I know some upscale bars like doll house has shows. Do they make their entire money from drinks and fines and not on entrances?

If this is the case, you can certainly look inside everybar for 2 min? Check out the girls and then move on?

Which bars have the best girls? Which are the best bars to go? I heard about Lost in Asia, Atlantis and Dollhouse, seems to be mentioned a lot. What makes them so special?

I know that prices are quite the same for most bars, except the upscale bars.

Thanks, Atlantis and Dollhouse are known for their Vegas-style shows. They also have reputations as being agressive in their requests for Double Lady Drinks (DLD). Lost in Asia is nearly at the other end of town and is not a show bar but is a higher end bar located at the end of the line unless you count the Korean-focused bars like Rocking Horse.

One my first trip to AC I stayed right in the middle of Fields and this may be a good plan for a newbie especially if you only have one week. It is a festive atmophere and everything you need will be right there including restaurants, money changers, and of course bars. In Fields the bars are one after another on both sides of the street and there are no desolate areas. On Perimeter they are only on one side and start to spread out with some business and housing areas and empty areas where there is nothing. That is no big deal if you know what you are doing but could be a little intimidating if Third World squalor frightens you. On my second trip I stayed on Perimeter and the few times I wandered into Fields I did not appreciate the festive atmosphere but was mostly annoyed by the constant pestering from street peddlers and agressive waitresses.

The distance from LIA to Fields Plaza (the end of Fields) is less than 1 3/4 miles so if you have any decent fitness it is not a bad walk. Regardless of where you stay you can visit all of the different areas without much stress as you can hop a jeepney any time for 8 pesos although you will have to take 2 to make it all the way from LIA to the Fields walking street.

There is never a cover charge at the bars. As you walk down the street you will hear girls yelling,"Sir! Come to x bar!" I might say,"OK, I will take a look," and give the bar a pass-through before I sit down and order a drink. If nothing looks appealing I just give a polite response that I will come back later. Unless I am looking for a particular girl I probably only stop in half of the bars I go into. If I do see something I like I will sit down and order a drink. Before I call a girl over I will usually ask to make sure she is not a cherry girl or on her mens. Then I will invite her for a single lady drink (SLD). If she insists on a DLD then it is a sign that she is going to be trouble and I will cut her loose immediatley. Otherwise I will sit with her for a 1/2 hour to hour interviewing her and getting friendly. If she passes the test then I will BF her and be off.

Only you can answer which bars have the best girls. I avoid the show bars since I do not like the pushiness. I have found great girls in both Fields and Perimeter. As a general rule Fields girls tend to have more experience, better English, and be less shy. Personally I prefer the Perimeter girls fresh out of the province although these girls tend not to give the PSE and will require more work to get them to loosen up.

Droplet
07-16-11, 16:44
Thanks Sansai and Edward M for your replies,

My plan is to stay in AC for a week and take 7 girls LT. As Sansai suggested, going there before 8pm and take a girl LT back to the hotel. This seems a good deal. I read that LT is bars are about 1350P. And I am expected to tip her about 2-300P. Which is ok by me.

Regarding LT, this means that she stays in the hotel with me till next day 11am. Given that I'm horny and my high sex drive, I might be doing her serveral times. Is there an upperlimit? I treat the girls nice, have a session, she can rest, and when I'm horny again, I want to stick it in!

Regarding the show places, looking at the videos, the girls don't do much apart from just walking around the stage. In the large clubs like atlantis / doll house I see girls everywhere, in front of the stage and up stairs. If you like a girl, are you expected to go and approach her? (And how do you grab one of the girls at the back behind the stage?)

It seem that perimeter road has more newbies. It'd suit me better. I like new and shy girls. Am I right to say that Fields Avenue is more like a tourist trap where prices are high whilst Perimeter Road is less commercial where you can find more genuine girls? I've had experience in large well established places elsewhere and the girls there are too pro, prices are too high and the girls just there to make money and are all rather mechanical. Hot as they were, it was a huge turn off in the sack.

Thanks,

Sansai
07-16-11, 18:39
Droplet.

There is no particular given limit on the number of times you can poke a girl on a LT deal, BUT the most important thing is you negotiate well with her BEFORE you leave her bar.

Make sure that she REALLY understands what you want from the deal. Remember the command of English of some these girls is not so great.

You may well find that if you want a girl to stay after 8:30 or 9 AM she will demand a fairly decent breakfast to be thrown in as well as a reasonable tip.

As regards " bar fine" prices, just about everywhere they were starting negotiations at P2, 000 last week " because business is slow"! (in any other country in the world you would have expected them to offer a discount on slow days. This is Phils!). I had absolutely no problem in negotiating down P1500 LT and maybe could have got it a little lower, but I wanted good service from the girl did not want to look too much of a cheap Charlie.

Happy hunting.

Mr Enternational
07-16-11, 20:19
It seem that perimeter road has more newbies. It'd suit me better. I like new and shy girls. Am I right to say that Fields Avenue is more like a tourist trap where prices are high whilst Perimeter Road is less commercial where you can find more genuine girls? I've had experience in large well established places elsewhere and the girls there are too pro, prices are too high and the girls just there to make money and are all rather mechanical. Hot as they were, it was a huge turn off in the sack.It's AC, not Matchmakers R Us. Genuine girls? All girls in AC genuinely want to get PAID and are just there to make money! All bars that cater to foreigners are the same. You go in and pay your money and the girl leaves with you. There is no particular circuit that girls follow in regards to if they are new in town or not. Most of the time when you find a girl who is new in town working at a particular bar then that place would have been recommended to her through a friend.

Droplet
07-17-11, 01:43
Does anyone have a price on this? I heard it is anywhere between 30k-50k PHP.

Are they easy to find in AC? Any tips on this would be great. I'm quite interested in taking a girls cherry. But not at ridiculous prices. Given it is costly, how can you trust she's cherry before handing the money? How would the money transaction work?

Thanks,

MauiDude
07-17-11, 05:56
Does anyone have a price on this? I heard it is anywhere between 30k-50k PHP.

Are they easy to find in AC? Any tips on this would be great. I'm quite interested in taking a girls cherry. But not at ridiculous prices. Given it is costly, how can you trust she's cherry before handing the money? How would the money transaction work?

Thanks, This is all word of mouth as far as my information. But everything is negotiable.

I have heard of guys paying 20K pesos to 100k pesos for a cherry girl.

You can either trust the bar if she is registered and licensed as a virgin. V on the I'd?

Or get check by a doctor. I have two good doctors that will check the girl and give you the accurate information.

But make sure she is legal age. Over 18 years of age.

You can pay the girl or pay the bar/

If I wanted a cherry girl I would develop some sort of relationship with her. And then negotiate and have her checked by a doctor.

But I don't want cherry girl.

What do you do if she says stop it hurts?

And now you taken her cherry?

Mothers and fathers here will sell their daughters cherry to help their families.

For me I don't feel right about that. But I don't pass any judgement on who may do it if it is not a minor and its consenting

Adults.

One way would be to make friends with a mamason. But I think if you find cherry girl in a bar you are going to pay a lot extra.

That is the cost of a cherry / and really its still relatively cheap.

Or you get her to be your girlfriend? And take time to develop relationship but if you want fuck and go just to have a cherry I think its better you pay? What they want?