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MadisonGuy
07-17-11, 09:52
One of the girls told me that if she doesn't want to go with a guy she makes a signal to mamasan to say that she is a virgin. I do not know if this is true or not but just what a 3000 peso girl told me.
This is all word of mouth as far as my information. But everything is negotiable.
I have heard of guys paying 20K pesos to 100k pesos for a cherry girl.
You can either trust the bar if she is registered and licensed as a virgin. V on the I'd?
Or get check by a doctor. I have two good doctors that will check the girl and give you the accurate information.
But make sure she is legal age. Over 18 years of age.
You can pay the girl or pay the bar/
If I wanted a cherry girl I would develop some sort of relationship with her. And then negotiate and have her checked by a doctor.
But I don't want cherry girl.
What do you do if she says stop it hurts?
And now you taken her cherry?
Mothers and fathers here will sell their daughters cherry to help their families.
For me I don't feel right about that. But I don't pass any judgement on who may do it if it is not a minor and its consenting
Adults.
One way would be to make friends with a mamason. But I think if you find cherry girl in a bar you are going to pay a lot extra.
That is the cost of a cherry / and really its still relatively cheap.
Or you get her to be your girlfriend? And take time to develop relationship but if you want fuck and go just to have a cherry I think its better you pay? What they want?
PM if you want to meet upGot error message, mailbox full.
Cheers!
This is all word of mouth as far as my information. But everything is negotiable.
I have heard of guys paying 20K pesos to 100k pesos for a cherry girl.
You can either trust the bar if she is registered and licensed as a virgin. V on the I'd?
Or get check by a doctor. I have two good doctors that will check the girl and give you the accurate information.
But make sure she is legal age. Over 18 years of age.
You can pay the girl or pay the bar/
If I wanted a cherry girl I would develop some sort of relationship with her. And then negotiate and have her checked by a doctor.
But I don't want cherry girl.
What do you do if she says stop it hurts?
And now you taken her cherry?
Mothers and fathers here will sell their daughters cherry to help their families.
For me I don't feel right about that. But I don't pass any judgement on who may do it if it is not a minor and its consenting
Adults.
One way would be to make friends with a mamason. But I think if you find cherry girl in a bar you are going to pay a lot extra.
That is the cost of a cherry / and really its still relatively cheap.
Or you get her to be your girlfriend? And take time to develop relationship but if you want fuck and go just to have a cherry I think its better you pay? What they want?Thanks for your answer. I guess I'm very curious about it after having heard about it. Its not something you expected to get.
What I read about "cherry girls" is that these girls who work in the bar and do not offer sex. It seems that there are plenty of them around.
The real question then is out of how many of these girls are they willing to lose their cherry? Are all of them temped at 30k-50k for example? Does this mean if I had 30-50k and lose my mind and intend to take a girls cherry in AC, will I definitely find one the same night if I go through a few bars?
This is why I asked about paying. If she asks me to stop then surely the best thing is to respect her and to stop. In which case it is best to pay her afterwards and not the bar in this scenario.
What I read about "cherry girls" is that these girls who work in the bar and do not offer sex. It seems that there are plenty of them around.Couldn't it be that these girls simply do not want to give away their pussies everyday regardless if somebody wants to pay for?
From what you say (plenty of.) I am surprised they stay virgin for long in such a working place, but rather just do not want to engage in P4P.
And having "V" on their I'd tag? Virginity can be taken once only, can't see the whole matter of identifying these as a status in a bar.
I can understand to identify a girl giving special services (on regular basis) but a V? For those interested (I am not) word of mouth is more than enough. If ever interested I would doubt about the credibility of such a marketing display on the I'd tag. Too much "regular" for something that can be offered by the provider only once in a lifetime.
Couldn't it be that these girls simply do not want to give away their pussies everyday regardless if somebody wants to pay for?
From what you say (plenty of.) I am surprised they stay virgin for long in such a working place, but rather just do not want to engage in P4P.
And having "V" on their I'd tag? Virginity can be taken once only, can't see the whole matter of identifying these as a status in a bar.
I can understand to identify a girl giving special services (on regular basis) but a V? For those interested (I am not) word of mouth is more than enough. If ever interested I would doubt about the credibility of such a marketing display on the I'd tag. Too much "regular" for something that can be offered by the provider only once in a lifetime.Actually I do have direct expierence with some 'cherry girls".
Some are really cherry. I believe because I have known them before and after they give up their cherry.
They have given me full story of how they were going to give up their cherry.
Some wanted money and some wanted love and money? Hahahahaha.
And after they gave up their cherry they would tell me they were not cherry anymore and available for boom boom.
I have taken cherry girls for bar fine just because I was curious and they were so hot.
But they did not boom boom.
Yes I totally believe some will say cherry and they are not. But most girls that don't want to play will say they.
Have mens. Or even say they don't like to boom boom.
According to one doctor who I trust to be honest. He says if a girl has I'd that says she is virgin it is usually true.
Of course we all know in Philippines anything can be faked or can be paid to get fake.
With my expierences with cherry girls its just too much effort and expense. I like girls that know they like to play.
I want a naughty girl. That is why I am here and also why I go on this site to find something that I may have missed.
And places and information that will help me find more naughty girls.
Can not get enough of the naughty ones. Especially the nice and naughty
The real question then is out of how many of these girls are they willing to lose their cherry? Are all of them temped at 30k-50k for example? Does this mean if I had 30-50k and lose my mind and intend to take a girls cherry in AC, will I definitely find one the same night if I go through a few bars?The "real question" is how many will let an independent doctor examine their vagina prior to you shelling out 30-50k to pop the cherry.
IMO the whole cherry girl thing in AC is a scam!
Thanks for your answer. I guess I'm very curious about it after having heard about it. Its not something you expected to get.
What I read about "cherry girls" is that these girls who work in the bar and do not offer sex. It seems that there are plenty of them around.
The real question then is out of how many of these girls are they willing to lose their cherry? Are all of them temped at 30k-50k for example? Does this mean if I had 30-50k and lose my mind and intend to take a girls cherry in AC, will I definitely find one the same night if I go through a few bars?
This is why I asked about paying. If she asks me to stop then surely the best thing is to respect her and to stop. In which case it is best to pay her afterwards and not the bar in this scenario.Certainly they are around, but persuading them to part with it unless they are really desperate for money is another thing.
I have certainly been offered cherries at prices around 100 K, but that is mostly Manila not in Angeles.
If you have the time and inclination, I have certainly heard that there are "fixers" around that would go off and "recruit" a willing cherry for you from the province, but of course that service costs, And whether you got a genuine virgin who could say?
There is a large green fluorescent sign outside a doctor's office at rhe West end of U N Avenue in Ermita. Which among other services such as STD clinic offers " HYMEN REPAIR" . Which I think says it all.
Happy hunting.
Thanks for your answer. I guess I'm very curious about it after having heard about it. Its not something you expected to get.
What I read about "cherry girls" is that these girls who work in the bar and do not offer sex. It seems that there are plenty of them around.
The real question then is out of how many of these girls are they willing to lose their cherry? Are all of them temped at 30k-50k for example? Does this mean if I had 30-50k and lose my mind and intend to take a girls cherry in AC, will I definitely find one the same night if I go through a few bars?
This is why I asked about paying. If she asks me to stop then surely the best thing is to respect her and to stop. In which case it is best to pay her afterwards and not the bar in this scenario.In AC there are quite a few Bar tagged " cherry " girls. How they decide this anybody's guess.
Yes, a Gynaecologist can look at the hymen and say if the girl is cherry or not. Small tears does take place in the hymen due to exercise, doing splits etc. Gymnasts do technically tear up the hymen.
Some women I met who claimed to be virgins told me later they had sex only one time. Does it qualify for " Cherry " status?
I have had two province girls I met online who were real cherries and they became my good friends. Ofcourse I did support them and gave gifts.
In AC I have had sex with some bar cherry girls I barfined and they let me have sex with them. They were definitely not cherries. So if you pay for cherry for these girls you are being scammed.
There were few other cherry girls I barfined and they were real cherries and would not let me have sex with them. Some would let me slip half way only.
I heard there are some mamasans peddling cherry girls from shanyies in Manila for money.
Now if you are paying for cherry in AC,
1. You can take her to a doctor to check her virginity.
2. You negotiate with the girl the monetary compensation.
3. Once you agree the money needs to be deposited in the bar or you pay the girl before. I suggest deposit at the bar.
The bar does not get a cut.
4. I would suggest the following as I did for one girl in AC.
We clicked and she assured me she is a virgin. I told her I will support her studies and she can go back home.
I got the cherry and supported her for 4 years. Now she got a job overseas.
Or take a chance pay the agreed money, take cherry and forget. Some girls agree for 20, 000- 40, 000. Prettier or those who will wait will want upwards of 100, 000 Pesos.
Japanese and Korean frequented bargirls charge more.
HarryDubois
07-17-11, 16:27
A few posts ago, someone commented that Angeles is extremely quiet and words like bar fine are prohibited.
Is law enforcement closing Angeles down? Is the party over?
Or is it more just that the recession is keeping mongers home?
Blackangst
07-17-11, 20:53
Droplet.
There is no particular given limit on the number of times you can poke a girl on a LT deal, BUT the most important thing is you negotiate well with her BEFORE you leave her bar.
Make sure that she REALLY understands what you want from the deal. Remember the command of English of some these girls is not so great.
You may well find that if you want a girl to stay after 8:30 or 9 AM she will demand a fairly decent breakfast to be thrown in as well as a reasonable tip.
As regards " bar fine" prices, just about everywhere they were starting negotiations at P2, 000 last week " because business is slow"! (in any other country in the world you would have expected them to offer a discount on slow days. This is Phils!). I had absolutely no problem in negotiating down P1500 LT and maybe could have got it a little lower, but I wanted good service from the girl did not want to look too much of a cheap Charlie.
Happy hunting.Since when are bar fines negotiable?
MadisonGuy
07-17-11, 21:10
A few posts ago, someone commented that Angeles is extremely quiet and words like bar fine are prohibited.
Is law enforcement closing Angeles down? Is the party over?
Or is it more just that the recession is keeping mongers home?There were plenty of girls there last week, I used the word bar fine and it was the same. Closing down? They just opened 2 new clubs. I don't think that place will be closing down anytime soon.
HarryDubois
07-18-11, 00:37
"On a more serious note, did have a couple of chats with Mamasan's I know.
Certainly the phrase " bar fine" is now strictly taboo, even " early work release " is used with care. Most are fines now are apparently calculated in "ladies drinks". Whichever way Peso 1, 500 is the going rate in most bars."
It sounded like some sort of crackdown on vice was in progress.
FurryFriend
07-18-11, 05:07
Now if you are paying for cherry in AC,
1. You can take her to a doctor to check her virginity.
2. You negotiate with the girl the monetary compensation.
3. Once you agree the money needs to be deposited in the bar or you pay the girl before. I suggest deposit at the bar.I read this discuss about Cherry Girls with a bit of amusement.
First, if the girl has the minutest business sense, she can bribe whatever doctor you choose to write her as a "virgin". You're not in the examination room to hear what goes on between the girl and the doctor. Besides, whether the doctor thinks a girl is a virgin is simply a medical opinion as the hymen can be damaged due to sex, sports, vibrators, etc.
You'll probably tell me that if you found out the doctor has been bribed, you can complain to the authorities. Oh really? Who are you going to complain to? Are you going to file a legal complaint so that there is PUBLIC RECORD in the Philippines of you paying to have sex with a "virgin"? Prostitution is still technically illegal there. Prosecutors can turn around and charge YOU with a crime. And if the girl is brought in from the provinces, you can be charged as accessory to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).
Anybody stupid enough to pay for a "cherry girl" deserves to be scammed. There is virtually no difference in the quality of sex. It's just the psychological thrill of thinking that it's the girl's first time.
Member #4152
07-18-11, 05:38
Hey guys!
Just curious what the weather is like in Angeles right now? I think I'll be hitting up Angeles and I don't know what to expect? I've just been to Angeles in April and I kinda have an idea.
Hey guys!
Just curious what the weather is like in Angeles right now? I think I'll be hitting up Angeles and I don't know what to expect? I've just been to Angeles in April and I kinda have an idea.Right now!
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/RPXX0001
Rob Woodrow
07-18-11, 08:19
Does anyone have a price on this? I heard it is anywhere between 30k-50k PHP.
Are they easy to find in AC? Any tips on this would be great. I'm quite interested in taking a girls cherry. But not at ridiculous prices. Given it is costly, how can you trust she's cherry before handing the money? How would the money transaction work?Just my one peso's worth, but it's a great way to get ripped off for 50k pesos. You could do the investigation to make sure she really is a virgin, but this will take more time than the typical tourist has. If you are only there for a short time and decide you trust the girl and want to spend the money, then I hope you are very good at convincing yourself you haven't been ripped off. There is, after all, a chance you haven't been.
If this is the case, you can certainly look inside everybar for 2 min? Check out the girls and then move on?You can certainly do this. However, the girls dance in shifts, so if you just stick your head in the bar, you're going to miss half (or more) of the girls. My advice is to sit down and order a drink. If you fear you are drinking too much too fast, have something non-alcoholic. The bars have a large variety of soft drinks, juices, and bottled water. For me, more often than not it's worth the $2 a drink costs to sit there for 20-30 minutes and soak up the atmosphere. The hidden gems I find are far more valuable to me than the duds I have to endure.
IMO the whole cherry girl thing in AC is a scam!Correct. And to tell you all the truth, the "V" has nothing to do with cherry or so.
It means the girl only go with men full of Viagra, because these girls want at least 6-8 pops per night!
Cheers!
With my expierences with cherry girls its just too much effort and expense. I like girls that know they like to play.
I want a naughty girl. That is why I am here and also why I go on this site to find something that I may have missed.
Dennis Miller the well known American comedian said "The first half-dozen or so will be nice, but after that, I'm going to want a pro. (Referring to the Muslim concept of achieving 72 virgins upon arrival in heaven)." ;)
Slim
Azmodeus Fl
07-18-11, 12:45
Larry The Cable Guy (also an American comedian) stated that he does not want 72 virgins but wants 72 slutty women.
LOL, why bother as many have explained bellow.
Anyway, YES I would say most cherry girls in AC are exactly that. I have bar fined 2 in the past. Got anal sex out of one and blow job out of the other. One sold her cherry for 100K and a 7 day trip to boracay to a 65 yr old Aussie that managed to fuck her 3-4 times for the duration of the trip. She gave the money to her parents in samar who bought a business with it and came back in AC just in time for my trip there. I picked her up for the airport LOL and spend the next 3-4 days fucking the daylights out of her. One of the best experiences ever. I still see her when in AC and she is bringing her Samar cousin in November once she turns 18 to work as a cherry girl.
Virgins in AC go from 30K to 100K depending on the girl. Japs are mostly the takers. You can find cheaper virgins in manila or the provinces. Best way is via contacts, DIA, bar girls even MBC just ask the girl you did if she knows any and offer a good referral tip. Offer 10K for the cheery girl (has worked for me in MBC although it happened sponteniously, a girl I fucked offered me her neighbor that was cherry and needed money) and yeah you will find what you seek. Its funny most bar girls will tell you they had no idea that cherry pays that much otherwise they would have been in AC a lot earlier instead of giving their cherry to their pinoy bfs.
Its funny most bar girls will tell you they had no idea that cherry pays that much otherwise they would have been in AC a lot earlier instead of giving their cherry to their pinoy bfs.First of all these province girls who come to AC have never heard of it when they are 13-16. Secondly they never thought they will be working in bars selling sex. Thirdly they had grand visions of their future with.
Their Phi BF who professed undying love for her getting married working hard and having a decent family life.
The thought of selling " cherry " does not even occur in their young minds.
Most province girls do not know about AC. Even while chatting on DIA I tested some girls to see if they knew about working in AC. They knew about working in bars but they did not know about AC.
It is a kind of taboo also to advertise looking for girls to work in bars. Most girls come to AC after they hear from their friends and relatives. Their friends and relatives connect them to a mamasan.
And they end up in AC. Even the mamasans when the go to their provinces do not openly try to recruit girls.
Once they are in AC they learn how to make money and some wished they are cherries. Mainly because even 50, 000 pesos is like a million dollars to them.
I know a cherry girl in AC who got 80, 000 pesos and she bought a farmhouse for her parents. This girl continued to see her Korean guy and he gave her lots of money. When we went to her place she.
Had a motorbike and took me all around. The Korean guy supporting her school expenses etc, taking her out of AC. This lasted for a while till Korean guy's wife found out and stopped all payments.
Atleast this is her story.
First of all these province girls who come to AC have never heard of it when they are 13-16. Secondly they never thought they will be working in bars selling sex. Thirdly they had grand visions of their future with.LOL, not everyone looses their cherry at 13-16. I know few girls that in their 20's and are cherry. I know one that was a waitress in Amazonia in Malate. Hard to believe but yeah she was and still is however she no longer works there. I see your point though most of them are long gone before coming to AC.
all this talks on (some even ****) girls loosing cherry by selling it (already a bit of a weird topic, but, hey, this is a mongering forum and one can express theories too) is quite borderline.
havjng said that it gets into an over the border talk discussing the mind of a 13-17 yo girl toward sex, not to mention the cherry.
it is true that in some countries life hardens the most soft and young mind.
it is true that it happens quite some giels of that age group becomes a mother (and not being blessed by the holy spirit, that happens in one way only).
but thinking that these girls have a scientific and calculated approach to getting a financial reward out of their cherry goes beyond my level of understanding and belief.
it is more in the control of somebody handling such a market and with a more "sophisticated" (ie business oriented) mind, be it the family or some other people. for poverty, ignorance, speculation.
this then gets into another field of talks, imho, and that is [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) to say the least.
MadisonGuy
07-19-11, 19:37
There's a sucker born every minute, IMO buying a "cherry girl" it stamping that sucker sign right on your forehead. There is no medical way to be sure a girl has not had sex before, plus these girls are asian they're already tight as hell. I know I had one girl who said she got paid virgin rates on more than one occassion. Unless you're a psychic I strongly suggest saving your money. I had 2 girls there that sure as hell felt like virgins, it's a negative thing to me because that means I have to rush so they don't squeeze the life from me before I finish.
There's a sucker born every minute, IMO buying a "cherry girl" it stamping that sucker sign right on your forehead. There is no medical way to be sure a girl has not had sex before, plus these girls are asian they're already tight as hell. I know I had one girl who said she got paid virgin rates on more than one occassion. Unless you're a psychic I strongly suggest saving your money. I had 2 girls there that sure as hell felt like virgins, it's a negative thing to me because that means I have to rush so they don't squeeze the life from me before I finish.Whether it is being a "sucker " or not, there are real cherry girls to be had. It is individual preferences to chase cherry girls. I have had one cherry girl in Pattaya of all places. She was working in a massage place.
A newbie from the province. I did not have to pay any cherry fee. She became my GF for about 2 years while continuing to work in massage places. I did take her on many vacations and gave her gifts and some money.
This girl did not even say she was a cherry. Only after I had a tough time entering her she confessed. So I had to take extra care with all the bleeding and pain.
So it is hard to say who is a virgin and who is not. I had a American girl virgin who was 20 years old at that time. No, she was not saving it for marriage. She said she was just afraid to have sex.
All I am saying is if somebody wants to experience having a virgin it is still available in Philippines and quite openly in AC bars. I believe nowhere else in the world.
Only after the deed and depending on the experience of the monger in dealing with virgins, he can be sure he had a virgin.
As for the money, it depends on the person. It is like staying in 5 star hotels when staying in cheap hotels will serve the purpose. To each his own.
Obviuosly if somebody is inclined to pay for cherry they can easily afford it and want to do it.
If they get a real cherry it is good for him. If he is scammed then none the wiser. Bottom line is if you do the homework it is easy to know.
Fast Eddie 48
07-19-11, 23:18
LOL, why bother as many have explained bellow.
Anyway, YES I would say most cherry girls in AC are exactly that. I have bar fined 2 in the past. Got anal sex out of one and blow job out of the other. One sold her cherry for 100K and a 7 day trip to boracay to a 65 yr old Aussie that managed to fuck her 3-4 times for the duration of the trip. She gave the money to her parents in samar who bought a business with it and came back in AC just in time for my trip there. I picked her up for the airport LOL and spend the next 3-4 days fucking the daylights out of her. One of the best experiences ever. I still see her when in AC and she is bringing her Samar cousin in November once she turns 18 to work as a cherry girl.
Virgins in AC go from 30K to 100K depending on the girl. Japs are mostly the takers. You can find cheaper virgins in manila or the provinces. Best way is via contacts, DIA, bar girls even MBC just ask the girl you did if she knows any and offer a good referral tip. Offer 10K for the cheery girl (has worked for me in MBC although it happened sponteniously, a girl I fucked offered me her neighbor that was cherry and needed money) and yeah you will find what you seek. Its funny most bar girls will tell you they had no idea that cherry pays that much otherwise they would have been in AC a lot earlier instead of giving their cherry to their pinoy bfs.To Mc Don.
I think if you really want a cherry girl is better just go to the source to Samar or Bohol, you should able to find college girl there cheap my buddy got one for only 5000 peso, I don't think I will spend that kind of money for that cherry girl is no big deal for me and I like my girl with a little experience.
Fast Eddie 48
Guys my first time in AC, and arrive this weekend. I read some of the posts last year regarding taxis, will I be expected to pay between 300. 400, I am staying at the Sunset Garden? I just want to make sure I don't get needlessly overcharged.
Regards
RasSpewtin
07-20-11, 06:30
Guys my first time in AC, and arrive this weekend. I read some of the posts last year regarding taxis, will I be expected to pay between 300. 400, I am staying at the Sunset Garden? I just want to make sure I don't get needlessly overcharged.
RegardsMort, I was in AC a few months ago and at that time the rate for an airport taxi to the Pacific Breeze was 400 PHP as I recall. I imiagine that it is the same to your hotel. You may be able to save 100 pesos by having the hotel send a car to pick you up. Other options may exisit, and although a ripoff at 400 pesos at least it is safe. But don't be surprised if the driver hints or asks you outright for a tip. Seems rediculous, but it happens.
Raz
FurryFriend
07-20-11, 07:01
Whether it is being a "sucker " or not, there are real cherry girls to be had. It is individual preferences to chase cherry girls.The issue isn't whether a guy should have a preference for cherries. Everybody will have preferences. The REAL issue is whether one can determine if a girl is actually a cherry.
This is a FACT: it is medically impossible to tell if a girl is a virgin. I refer you to this webpage written by doctors:
http://www.healthcaremagic.com/healthpage/adults-virginity-test
As such, you're truly going on someone's word. Ah yes, lying for money has NEVER happened in the Philippines.
I have a feeling folks who naively believe in this cherry nonsense are usually the same who believe girls on Fields are more interested in a "nice guy" than money.
MadisonGuy
07-20-11, 07:39
The issue isn't whether a guy should have a preference for cherries. Everybody will have preferences. The REAL issue is whether one can determine if a girl is actually a cherry.
This is a FACT: it is medically impossible to tell if a girl is a virgin. I refer you to this webpage written by doctors:
http://www.healthcaremagic.com/healthpage/adults-virginity-test
As such, you're truly going on someone's word. Ah yes, lying for money has NEVER happened in the Philippines.
I have a feeling folks who naively believe in this cherry nonsense are usually the same who believe girls on Fields are more interested in a "nice guy" than money.Exactly my point, there are guys that are so small they can't pop the cherry. Not to stereotype but those guys are statistically more prevalent in asian countries. I personally could care less, I mean generally someone is going to suck if they're a virgin so to me it would make more sense to pay less not more. If they're good and a virgin, well I have a bridge to sell you.
To Mc Don.
I think if you really want a cherry girl is better just go to the source to Samar or Bohol, you should able to find college girl there cheap my buddy got one for only 5000 peso, I don't think I will spend that kind of money for that cherry girl is no big deal for me and I like my girl with a little experience.
Fast Eddie 48Have you mongered in Samar?
Have you mongered in Samar?Good question Amjeck.
Samar might supply a lot of the "fodder" for the AC bars but the girls all mainly come from close-knit family groups who don't have much idea what their darling daughter is doing when she goes off to work in the "big city". I have been to Catarman and Catbalogan many times for work and it is NOT a place for mongering. You MIGHT meet a girl through DIA but you will need to get her well away from the family if you want to do as Fast Eddie so erroneously suggests.
You could also have asked about Bohol.
You will have success if you can spirit the girl across to Cebu but it will be hard going in Bohol itself. It is just another rural village and girls are gun-shy of being seen with foreigners.
Now I know there are EXCEPTIONS, and some guys will tell us how they did this and that in Samar and Tagbilaran, but, IN GENERAL, these are NOT mongering destinations. Even local drivers are not a generally helpful source of information on where you can find girls.
Just the presence of biblical quotes on the back of every tricycle in Tagbilaran should be enough to tell you mongering is not easy like in some other places.
The issue isn't whether a guy should have a preference for cherries. Everybody will have preferences. The REAL issue is whether one can determine if a girl is actually a cherry.
This is a FACT: it is medically impossible to tell if a girl is a virgin. I refer you to this webpage written by doctors:
http://www.healthcaremagic.com/healthpage/adults-virginity-test
As such, you're truly going on someone's word. Ah yes, lying for money has NEVER happened in the Philippines.
I have a feeling folks who naively believe in this cherry nonsense are usually the same who believe girls on Fields are more interested in a "nice guy" than money.I disagree with you. It is medically possible to tell if the girl's hymen is intact or not. Only a significant minority tear their hymen due to vigorous athletic movements, mostly field athletes or gymnasts doing splits.
Most hymen is not easily broken.
Yes, it is true some men are unable to break the hymen due to the size or stiffness of their dick. There are instances of girls getting pregnant with their hymen intact. It is possibly due to pre mature ejaculation.
It is possible to get real virgins but like anything else involving money there are plenty of scams.
Most probably are a day old or had sex couple of times. One " cherry " girl I barfined in AC did not object at all when I entered her. So she is definitely a fake. She told me not say anything at her bar. Although scamming is there, I am sure there are some real virgins. Most virgins in AC want to get the money and be done with so that they can get into real barfining and making more money. Apart from ladydrinks most punters do not barfine virgins.
I have recently had the great pleasure of sharing their hymens with two beautiful pinays.
One I had met through her sister, she was world fashion model quality.
We had spoken about her virginity for quite some time, but I had not suggested that I should be the one. We actually came together in Bangkok, where she was working illegally.
One evening, she asked if she could come to my hotel, and I agreed. It was late, after she finished work. We talked for a while, and then she undressed and we climbed into bed. I was very careful, and very slow, a long time in foreplay, getting her aroused, her juices flowing till she was very wel lubricated. Then she rolled on top, and eased her vagina just to the tip of my cock, then she eased backwards, allowing her to set the pace, and let her vaginal muscles relax and actually take me into her. Once I was inside, it was such a stunning sensation that I was gone and blowing within a few strokes. Then we just lay together for maybe 20 minutes, with me still inside. And then we rolled apart and cuddled for a long time, stroking her and making her at ease.
She came to me because she trusted me, and she knew that I would be very kind and thoughtful.
The second, I met when she was 17, came with her sister, who travelled from Manila to Angeles City to meet up with me for a couple of days. The virgin girl told me that she was 17, so I was very careful to make it clear that it was totally hands of till she was 18.
Next year, when I was again in AC, she had her 18th birthday.
Several days later, she asked if she could come to meet me, and I agreed.
She met me in the hotel, we had a swim, and ended up in the room.
Same as with the other woman, no hesitation on her part, same method, same care and attention, same wonderful result for both of us.
Over the years, I have had a few others, I think two more pinays. All have gone well, and all have ended up pwith a joyous sharing of her special occasion, the first time that she has taken another person into her body.
They are there, and willing to share, you just need their trust and their confidence.
G
To Mc Don.
I think if you really want a cherry girl is better just go to the source to Samar or Bohol, you should able to find college girl there cheap my buddy got one for only 5000 peso, I don't think I will spend that kind of money for that cherry girl is no big deal for me and I like my girl with a little experience.
Fast Eddie 48I am not into cherry girls. I take it as they come but I am not interested too much of a headache for me. I just gave few suggestions there thats all. As others have written Samar is not a good idea, you may discover that her brothers may not look kindly on your intentions too. I have visited once with a mamasan from samar and even then it was NOT easy.
Fast Eddie 48
07-20-11, 21:50
I am not into cherry girls. I take it as they come but I am not interested too much of a headache for me. I just gave few suggestions there thats all. As others have written Samar is not a good idea, you may discover that her brothers may not look kindly on your intentions too. I have visited once with a mamasan from samar and even then it was NOT easy.To Mc Don.
I barfined a hottie 5 yr ago at Blue nile she told me a Japanese guy paid for her virginity one week before and I was the 3 guy she ever been with, not sure how much the guy paid didn't ask and she is one of the best looking girl I ever barfined in AC and one of the worst p4p no BJ very shy and no experience keep trying to push me away.
I totaly agree with you it is a big head ache for me to p4p a new girl but she is good to look at all night and I did her 2 time but it is too much work for me hahaha.
Fast Eddie 48
AsianLover2
07-20-11, 22:53
Does anyone have a price on this? I heard it is anywhere between 30k-50k PHP.
Are they easy to find in AC? Any tips on this would be great. I'm quite interested in taking a girls cherry. But not at ridiculous prices. Given it is costly, how can you trust she's cherry before handing the money? How would the money transaction work?
Thanks, I just had the pleasure of being number 2. Some poor sucker from Korea paid $2000 (85, 000P) to have a cherry girl. I have know the mamasan for several years and the girl for 1 year. I paid $72 (3000P) 1 week after she lost her cherry. She was still a little nervous but enjoyed it almost as much as I did. I guess if being number 1 is that important. Then spend the money.
If she is really a virgin and just met you she will probably not enjoy it and only be with you because of the money. She knew me as we had gone clubbing before and she was happy to spend the night this time.
Back again in October for visit number 35
Went out last night.
Golden nile and blue nile are totally open and have been for awhile.
The girls look hot but did not really connect with any.
I hear that the owner paid a lot of money and all is good with him and the government?
After the raids. Don't know what happened to his luxury car?
Funny how the news reports make such a big fuss over the raids and then fail to follow up to see.
That it was just a shake down for money by the corrupt governement here.
The old honey pot changed name to spearmint?
Not open when I went by but looks close to being open.
I was told some of the managers and the owner still in jail because they have other issues?
Like visa and? A little vague but then I don't care to know too much. I just want to know.
Where the skinny and nice, naughty girls are. Also my goal is to avoid the government here.
Just here to enjoy the girls and the sights.
Seems that some of the clubs have been very busy?
So some hot door girls at Cambodia club.
No real connection with them but they were okay.
So maybe I have been here too long.
Not really getting excited by most of the girls I see.
Thinking of a trip to Pattaya where the clubs really get exciting.
FurryFriend
07-21-11, 07:13
It is medically possible to tell if the girl's hymen is intact or not.That's irrelevant. You've made the mistake of assuming that a broken hymen means that a girl has had sex while an unbroken one means she has not. This assumption contradicts Western medical knowledge. It seems many of you prefer superstition over science.
A doctor can indeed tell if a hyman is broken. Only a psychic can tell if it's breakage is the result of sexual activity.
MadisonGuy
07-21-11, 08:06
[QUOTE=MauiDude; 1178584]Went out last night.
Golden nile and blue nile are totally open and have been for awhile.
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I was just there last week and one of the niles was closed. Atleast that's what somebody told me it was. I stuck to Atlantis and Bar Asia which I enjoyed the most because of the music.
WestCoast1
07-21-11, 09:04
I just had the pleasure of being number 2. Some poor sucker from Korea paid $2000 (85, 000P) to have a cherry girl. I have know the mamasan for several years and the girl for 1 year. I paid $72 (3000P) 1 week after she lost her cherry. She was still a little nervous but enjoyed it almost as much as I did. I guess if being number 1 is that important. Then spend the money.
If she is really a virgin and just met you she will probably not enjoy it and only be with you because of the money. She knew me as we had gone clubbing before and she was happy to spend the night this time.
Back again in October for visit number 35A mama at one of the bars tells me several cherry items:
1. The cherry girl in a bar might not be a virgin. Sometimes the bars hire real cute young girls for dancing only, especially if the girl does not want to barfine. She's there for lady's drinks. She might or might not be a virgin; either way she's just not willing to barfine, so they label her a cherry girl.
2. Some bar managers lie. The cherry girl gives it up this month for big money. Later the bar re-classifies the girl as cherry again, as the rich elvis who took her before has flown the coop and is no longer in town.
3. The bar is aware of the hymen issue. They are aware that the girls masturbate with anything that is shaped like a penis: vegetables, fingers, etc, and the hymen is long broken for a virgin. If pilipinos, who are generally not educated about hygiene, medical issues, and sexuality, already know this, I find it odd that westerners write in saying a doctor can tell if a hymen's been broken. What difference does it make if the hymen is broken. A broken hymen is not an indication of sex.
4. Some cherry girls do barfine, and have swallowed bucket-loads of cum. 40 barfines in 3 months of work is a lot of sucked cock. When you barfine her to be THE ONE to take her virginity, are you sure this is the girl for you? The fantasy you want to complete? Usually we think of the virgin as someone who hasn't been with a guy before. Many cherry girls have been butt-naked with a lot of guys.
After her bar closed recently, the mama, her best friend in the bar, and I went out for videoke. Just 2 san migs later they were laughing and telling me bar secrets like I was suddenly in the 'need-to-know' category. The vegetable thing I got from the girls just cracked me up."Yaaaaa, they use the eggplant." You'll never look at stew the same way again.
FreebieFan
07-21-11, 10:10
After her bar closed recently, the mama, her best friend in the bar, and I went out for videoke. Just 2 san migs later they were laughing and telling me bar secrets like I was suddenly in the 'need-to-know' category. The vegetable thing I got from the girls just cracked me up."Yaaaaa, they use the eggplant." You'll never look at stew the same way again.Was chatting with a long term bonking girlfriend yesterday and we got on the subject of vegetables.
She knew that one drunken day, a year or so back, she had become intimate friends with carrots, and eggplant and she didn't mind. She was wearing a blindfold so wasnt sure what was going in next. In fact she was quite excited by it.
She just asked that I don't use ampalaya. As the edges would probably be too rough. Got to love the practicality.
4. Some cherry girls do barfine, and have swallowed bucket-loads of cum. 40 barfines in 3 months of work is a lot of sucked cock. When you barfine her to be THE ONE to take her virginity, are you sure this is the girl for you? The fantasy you want to complete? Usually we think of the virgin as someone who hasn't been with a guy before. Many cherry girls have been butt-naked with a lot of guys.I've asked many cherry girls in the bar what they will do inside the room and they've all said "nothing". When I've asked if they will suck cock they all said "no". Then I retort "why in the fuck would anyone barfine you"? They say,"Oh to go barhopping".
My advice: Stay away from any "V" marked tag. I once ordered a drink for a girl and forgot to look at the tag. After sitting with her, I noticed the "v" on the tag and thought "ohh, fuck". I called over the manager and told him I wasn't going to pay for her drink because she didn't tell me she was a cherry, and of course I didn't pay for it.
I hate the whole concept of a cherry girl. It really is trap meant for stupid tourists to fall into.
Went out last night.
Golden nile and blue nile are totally open and have been for awhile.I was just there last week and one of the niles was closed. Atleast that's what somebody told me it was. I stuck to Atlantis and Bar Asia which I enjoyed the most because of the music.Looks closed. Part of it due to constuction.
Actually the club in between Cambodia and blue nile? Is closed for remodeling.
When I went in the blue nile and golden nile.
It was way too crowded for me.
I think it is dragons den that is connected to the golden nile. So you walk in one and out the other.
Of course my information can get confused as I always forget where I go unless I meet a girl that I really like.
With that in mind I guess one of my favorite places is genesis.
I wanted to keep the place a secret but then hahhaha no way I can fuck them all.
What a great night. Saw a cute one with nice teeth and only 35 kilos dancing and smiling.
Wow love at first site or is it lust at first sight? Either way another four letter word comes to mind.
So I ask her do you want to?
She a good girl. And one of my other girls even taught her the right way to do a blow job ?
Hard to believe she was not into it before as she hesitated at first but then did a great job.
Who know what to believe around here. But I felt good about her and having a good time myself.
And cherry girls are fun but one of the first questions I ask a girl is. Do you like boom boom?
Not that that is everything but I do not live here to be frustrated. I have had plenty of years in USA to be frustrated.
By girls.
Hahhahaha. So much work. Maybe I am just lazy.
I like the music in a few bars. But now I forget the names. Hahahah no memorable girls to me
I hate the whole concept of a cherry girl. It really is trap meant for stupid tourists to fall into.It is. For those who don't agree, and want to argue that cherry girls fill a niche in the market and that some guys like them. Well, look at it this way:
- if a bar had nothing but cherry girls, I would never set foot in it.
- if a bar has only regular girls (no cherries) , I have no trouble with the setup.
There is a reason why the "V" on the girls' I'd cards is so small, and often overlooked by customers.
I've asked many cherry girls in the bar what they will do inside the room and they've all said "nothing". When I've asked if they will suck cock they all said "no". Then I retort "why in the fuck would anyone barfine you"? They say,"Oh to go barhopping".
My advice: Stay away from any "V" marked tag. I once ordered a drink for a girl and forgot to look at the tag. After sitting with her, I noticed the "v" on the tag and thought "ohh, fuck". I called over the manager and told him I wasn't going to pay for her drink because she didn't tell me she was a cherry, and of course I didn't pay for it.
I hate the whole concept of a cherry girl. It really is trap meant for stupid tourists to fall into.It is a concept only in AC. I have not seen in Manila bars including EDSA.
It is a matter of personal preference whether you want to stay away from V TAG. I sometimes prefer V Tag girls and have barfined many. Usually after thoroughly shagged out need a break for a day.
I do take them barhopping and disco. Many a time it has ended up in BJ (most common) , Half insertion, full sex.
Some V tag girls are very cute and I enjoy the company even if nothing happens in the bedroom. To start with I barfined them knowing there will be no sex. If anything happens it is a bonus.
None have run away in the middle of night. All have stayed till morning, sometimes whole next day.
In AC, it is easy to get sex. If that is what you want every day stay away from Cherry girls.
I've asked many cherry girls in the bar what they will do inside the room and they've all said "nothing".In Barrio Barretto I once BF a cherry girl, because god knows the alternatives were impossible. She was acting very surprised that I expected more than admiring her from a distance. But eventually she was reasonable. However I was happy with allowing her to call herself a cherry, if she will allow me to cum all over her. Inside can wait for the next one.
It is. For those who don't agree, and want to argue that cherry girls fill a niche in the market and that some guys like them. Well, look at it this way:
- if a bar had nothing but cherry girls, I would never set foot in it.
- if a bar has only regular girls (no cherries) , I have no trouble with the setup.
There is a reason why the "V" on the girls' I'd cards is so small, and often overlooked by customers.Yah, it's pretty much a giant trap. I know some guys like the cherries, and whatever works for them is ok. I just have a prob with the newbie who rolls in and starts buying the "v" drinks only later to realize she is a cherry and won't barfine. That's crap. I'm all for protecting the monger and his best interest. Value for money and not wasting anytime is my number one priority in AC. I don't care about the girls / bar owners interests in trying to scam or outrageously profiting on naive punters.
If any newbie has any questions and wants to avoid this trap, speak up and I will help educate you so you don't lose money / time in AC.
The more easy available sex, without ridiculous obstacles (cherry girls, drink working girls, etc) , AC has to offer the better the place will be.
FurryFriend
07-22-11, 08:11
The more easy available sex, without ridiculous obstacles (cherry girls, drink working girls, etc) , AC has to offer the better the place will be.I disagree that removing obstacles would make AC a "better" place.
I don't have a problem with V girls. None of us in good conscience should monger where any girl is coerced to sleep with a guy. You might feel you're protecting the interest of the monger. But many guys, particularly older Asian gentlemen, simply want to barhop or dine with a cute V girl and have a sexless sleepover. It's all a part of the AC buffet where one size shouldn't fit all.
I don't have a problem with V girls. None of us in good conscience should monger where any girl is coerced to sleep with a guy.
The girls always have their stock "mens" excuse. Or any other excuse they can think of at the moment. It's been pounded into the girls in AC enough that they don't have to barfine with a guy they don't like.
But many guys, particularly older Asian gentlemen, simply want to barhop or dine with a cute V girl and have a sexless sleepover. It's all a part of the AC buffet where one size shouldn't fit all.
Which is fine, I don't have a problem with guys who DO LIKE cherry girls. For the guys who (knowingly) buy a drink for cherry girls and barfine them, hey, more power to them.
My beef is that newer / shyer guys who don't know how to deal with cherry girls. They call down what they think is a regular girl on stage. They may find out that the girl is cherry as soon as the girl is in front of them, but are too shy to send them back without buying her a drink. Or they may only find out that she is cherry when it comes time to barfine her.
The solution to this would be to CLEARLY mark which girls are cherry. The current method is with a tiny red "v" on their I'd tag, which may be turned around while she is dancing (sometimes intentionally by the girl, sometimes not). A tiny red "v" is easily overlooked by the customer because:
- girl may be some distance away.
- poor eyesight by customer.
- bars are dark, some really dark.
- customer has had half a dozen or more drinks.
Alaska bar makes their cherries wear red bikinis (in addition to the red "v"). A few other bars may identify them in similar ways. Damn if I can remember these things while on a barhop.
There is only 1 real reason why bars will not CLEARLY cherry girls: to push more drinks on unsuspecting suckers.
Yah, it's pretty much a giant trap. I know some guys like the cherries, and whatever works for them is ok. I just have a prob with the newbie who rolls in and starts buying the "v" drinks only later to realize she is a cherry and won't barfine. That's crap. I'm all for protecting the monger and his best interest. Value for money and not wasting anytime is my number one priority in AC. I don't care about the girls / bar owners interests in trying to scam or outrageously profiting on naive punters.
If any newbie has any questions and wants to avoid this trap, speak up and I will help educate you so you don't lose money / time in AC.
The more easy available sex, without ridiculous obstacles (cherry girls, drink working girls, etc) , AC has to offer the better the place will be.It is not really a trap. The bars are supplying a wide variety of girls either to look at, have her sitting beside you while you grope (do not be bashfull-all guys grope the girl, some with their hands under the girls clothing)
Barfine with the hope of getting unlimited sex, or barfine v girls for a night of eye candy combined with dancing and more depending, barfine older waitresses for sex with background of experience, anal queeens, country girls who do not know art of BJ (wouldn't you like to be a teacher) and limited experience in sex etc.
All this in comfortable air-conditioned bar (ever see how cold they keep inside ). All this costs money. So the bars especially in AC has supplied us mongers with cheaper alternatives like barfine covers all. If they did not push ladydrinks, ball throwing, ring the bell etc, they will definitely go belly up.
If all the mongers are thrifty like you suggest (" Value for money and not wasting any time ") there will not be a AC fun place. Fortunately there are big spenders who keep these bars afloat.
AC has everything even a thrifty guy want. There is no rule to buy a drink to sit and watch the show. There is no cover charge. There is no requirement that you barfine a girl. No insistance on buying ladydrink just because you called the girl over to sit and chat. In fact there is only subtle pressure compared to many go go places I have gone here in USA.
A thrifty guy can walk into as many bars as he wants and barfine a girl without spending money for drinks.
For a newbie there is a learning curve but soon enough he will understand the whole set up. Either he decides to splurge or be thrifty. It is his decision. Whatever his decision is he is guaranteed to have a good time in AC.
I've asked many cherry girls in the bar what they will do inside the room and they've all said "nothing". When I've asked if they will suck cock they all said "no". Then I retort "why in the fuck would anyone barfine you"? They say,"Oh to go barhopping".
My advice: Stay away from any "V" marked tag. I once ordered a drink for a girl and forgot to look at the tag. After sitting with her, I noticed the "v" on the tag and thought "ohh, fuck". I called over the manager and told him I wasn't going to pay for her drink because she didn't tell me she was a cherry, and of course I didn't pay for it.
I hate the whole concept of a cherry girl. It really is trap meant for stupid tourists to fall into.I agree. Been to AC and really don't like the "cherry girl" bull shit. Your working in a brothel for gods sake, your expected to sell your ass, or at least your pussy. As I have told "coyote" girls in bars on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok, if you don't go with customer than I'm not going to buy you a lady drink. Same thing here, I don't care if I'm your first or your 100th if I'm buying you a lady drink it is to interview you to find out if I want to pay your barfine and have sex with you.
Now if the Japanese or any other group want to pay a premium for your virginity that's fine, hell I might pay $300 or $400 but at that price I'm going to break open all 3 holes and your going to spend a few days as my sex toy.
Cudos to the Alaska bar for making it clear who is, and is not a bar girl that fucks.
FurryFriend
07-23-11, 10:15
I agree. Been to AC and really don't like the "cherry girl" bull shit. Your working in a brothel for gods sake, your expected to sell your ass, or at least your pussy.
What's more bullshit is enslaving a girl to sleep with everybody as a condition of employment. This is a bar, not a brothel. She's a dancer, not a slave.
No where is there a rule stating that buying a girl a drink obligates her to sleep with you (cherry or no cherry). If you want to avoid cherries, you can ask the waitress before bringing the girl off the stage. But even a non-cherry might refuse your barfine.
I suggest once you get the girl off the stage, you ask her immediately if she's open to barfine and boom-boom. If not, politely send her back to the stage before ordering her a drink.
There is only 1 real reason why bars will not CLEARLY cherry girls: to push more drinks on unsuspecting suckers.
Yes. But I really cannot fault the bar for wanting to sell drinks.
However, the learning curve is not that steep for newbies. Surely, the newbie will buy a few drinks for a girl not knowing about this cherry business. But come on! So the guy loses a few dollars. Not a big loss. Soon enough, he'll learn how to screen out the cherries. It's all part of the learning curve. Every mongering venue will involve a bit of a learning curve.
Yes, you are absolutely right. I've been in a few bars where they warned me about the cherry girl. She is usually the cutest thing you've ever seen. Some guys like fat chicks, some guys want to fantasize with / about a cherry girl. To each their own. One of the hottest memories I have in all of my Philippine bar touring is the cherry girl dancing shyly in her white cotton underwear. The next night she was wearing the uniform. And if I had spent just one more week in country, I would have had that gal. I enjoyed reading your post Furry F. X.
What's more bullshit is enslaving a girl to sleep with everybody as a condition of employment. This is a bar, not a brothel. She's a dancer, not a slave.
No where is there a rule stating that buying a girl a drink obligates her to sleep with you (cherry or no cherry). If you want to avoid cherries, you can ask the waitress before bringing the girl off the stage. But even a non-cherry might refuse your barfine.
I suggest once you get the girl off the stage, you ask her immediately if she's open to barfine and boom-boom. If not, politely send her back to the stage before ordering her a drink.
Yes. But I really cannot fault the bar for wanting to sell drinks.
However, the learning curve is not that steep for newbies. Surely, the newbie will buy a few drinks for a girl not knowing about this cherry business. But come on! So the guy loses a few dollars. Not a big loss. Soon enough, he'll learn how to screen out the cherries. It's all part of the learning curve. Every mongering venue will involve a bit of a learning curve.
What's more bullshit is enslaving a girl to sleep with everybody as a condition of employment. This is a bar, not a brothel. She's a dancer, not a slave.
No where is there a rule stating that buying a girl a drink obligates her to sleep with you (cherry or no cherry). If you want to avoid cherries, you can ask the waitress before bringing the girl off the stage. But even a non-cherry might refuse your barfine.
I suggest once you get the girl off the stage, you ask her immediately if she's open to barfine and boom-boom. If not, politely send her back to the stage before ordering her a drink.No, it's bullshit to mix these girls in the mix to trick guys to spend money on them not knowing they won't fuck. As a poster said previously,"why is the 'V' written so small"?
Anyhow, another tactic I use is as soon as I enter a bar, I find the Manager or Mama and ask him / her to point out all the cherries for me. Now I know who to avoid.
Also, you're bringing up issues like enslavement. This has nothing to do with slavery at all. That's a totally different argument.
What's more bullshit is enslaving a girl to sleep with everybody as a condition of employment. This is a bar, not a brothel. She's a dancer, not a slave.You must be getting your information from the PI authorities. The one that "rescues" girls from their enslavements all the time. LOL.
Look, the bars are P4P bars. They sell themselves as such (or used to anyway, more and more it's just about selling drinks). If they came out and declared that they are only interested in selling drinks and not P4P, I wouldn't go to these bars. The girls know this too. They are not that dumb to think that they are only there to dance and not fuck (except for a very few performers. Like that fat chick who sings at Crystal Palace and Dollhouse). So the girls know what the deal is: don't like it, don't work there!
No where is there a rule stating that buying a girl a drink obligates her to sleep with you (cherry or no cherry). If you want to avoid cherries, you can ask the waitress before bringing the girl off the stage. But even a non-cherry might refuse your barfine.I think you just proved your own point: there is no enslavement in AC. Any girl, cherry or not, always has to option to refuse a barfine.
I suggest once you get the girl off the stage, you ask her immediately if she's open to barfine and boom-boom. If not, politely send her back to the stage before ordering her a drink.How many newbies do this?
Yes. But I really cannot fault the bar for wanting to sell drinks.Finally something we agree on. I cannot fault the bars for wanting to make money either. They just need to know that it pisses people off if the drinks are bought under false pretenses (you thought you had a shot at her, and at the end she glibly tells you: sorry, cherry girl!)
However, the learning curve is not that steep for newbies. Surely, the newbie will buy a few drinks for a girl not knowing about this cherry business. But come on! So the guy loses a few dollars. Not a big loss. Soon enough, he'll learn how to screen out the cherries. It's all part of the learning curve.AC has a lot of newbie tourists coming in nowadays. Whereas before, it was more expats and regulars.
Every mongering venue will involve a bit of a learning curve.Hey, we agree again. I am based in China. Tons of scams here too for newbies in the P4P scene. It's just that these scams need to exposed, and in this case hopefully the barowners are listening (I know. When pigs fly.)
No, it's bullshit to mix these girls in the mix to trick guys to spend money on them not knowing they won't fuck. As a poster said previously,"why is the 'V' written so small"?The funniest thing is when you stare intently at their I'd badges to spot the "v", some girls will put their hand over it. To prevent you from seeing. LOL! If a girl does that, you know it's a got a red v on it. And you also know that she is trying to scam you into buying her drinks while not knowing she is a "v". A girl covering her v is telling you all you need to know.
You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.
Philosophery
07-23-11, 16:36
You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.It does sound pretty petty doesn't it?
You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.I fly out of Hong Kong. Average ticket price has been 150 USD roundtrip (and this includes HKIA tax).
FurryFriend
07-23-11, 20:48
I think you just proved your own point: there is no enslavement in AC. Any girl, cherry or not, always has to option to refuse a barfine.
You've clearly misread my post.
I never said there's enslavement on Fields. Quite the opposite. I was responding to a post by another member who claims he should have the right to bang any bargirl simply because he buys her a drink. I disagreed, stating that that would constitute enslavement which is ethically unjustifiable and that girls on Fields rightfully retains all rights to choose who she sleeps with.
You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.
Some people on this forum takes the concept "Cheap Charlie" to new heights.
I have no problem allowing bars to make a few extra dollars from inexperienced newbies if it helps keep the bars in business and entices girls to join the industry.
Cheap Charlies = less girls in the business = less choices for everyone
You've clearly misread my post.
I never said there's enslavement on Fields. Quite the opposite. I was responding to a post by another member who claims he should have the right to bang any bargirl simply because he buys her a drink. I disagreed, stating that that would constitute enslavement which is ethically unjustifiable and that girls on Fields rightfully retains all rights to choose who she sleeps with.The point is this: if you buy a bargirl in AC a drink, you can reasonably expect her to barfine. Yes, sometimes she may not want to due to a number of legitimate reasons (real mens, guy is disgusting and smelly). If she is a cherry or on mens, ideally, this should be communicated to the customer BEFORE he buys her a drink. Yeah, I know, not likely to happen in AC.
It's the inmates running the asylum as it is: some girls will only go with Koreans, some only with whiteys, some only if you are a newbie and they smell some easy cash and maybe Western Union support, some who won't go at all because they have a Pinoy boyfriend, etc.
I know you don't agree. You think these are bars, not *****houses. You think the girls are dancers, not prostitutes. Did I misread that too? LOL LOL LOL! Unfortunately some bars are morphing into this.
Some people on this forum takes the concept "Cheap Charlie" to new heights.
I have no problem allowing bars to make a few extra dollars from inexperienced newbies if it helps keep the bars in business and entices girls to join the industry.
Cheap Charlies = less girls in the business = less choices for everyoneNext thing you will tell me that you think Double Lady Drinks are a good idea too because:
1. You can always say no to a DLD.
2. DLDs bring in more money for the bars
You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.Not everybody spends thousands to get to AC.
Cheap Charlies = less girls in the business = less choices for everyoneHow do you figure this? Have you run bar before?
I the last few years there has been an increased popularity and surge of tourist money flowing into AC. Would you say the quality of pussy has gotten better or worse? Is the general monger happier or less happier today. Is there more value for your money today?
I think cheap charlies are good to have around. They keep things in check.
Finally something we agree on. I cannot fault the bars for wanting to make money either. They just need to know that it pisses people off if the drinks are bought under false pretenses (you thought you had a shot at her, and at the end she glibly tells you: sorry, cherry girl!)You nailed it here!
And if this happens to anyone, don't hesitate to complain to management telling them you won't pay for the drink. I don't tolerate this kind of crap, and neither should other mongers.
Arrived the other day in AC my first time here. Bit worried about robberies as several guys I know told me to be very careful walking around at night especially on Perimeter Road and to top it all the guy on the plane coming over from Cebu with his wife also told me how he had been robbed at gunpoint in Perimeter Road. I was feeling a bit apprehensive, it all sounded a bit like an old Wild West frontier town. Haven't felt at all worried since being here and I walked along Perimeter late last night, admittedly fully alert, very aware of my surroundings and ready for anything unexpected.
When I arrived I was suprised at the efficiency of the airport and baggage handlers and everything seemed to run very smoothly. The hotel had sent a taxi to collect me (cost 350 to Sunset Garden) and a guy there was waiting to pick me up with a placard and my name on it. So far so good, until he asked me for a tip as he led me to the taxi. Seems he was not the driver just some guy employed to meet and greet. I just replied to him "WTF I have just got off the plane and you are asking me for a tip" He could see I was not in any mood to take prisoners and sauntered off muttering to himself.
My drive in to AC was interesting and a complete contrast to the other areas I normally visit, everything seemed pretty clean and modern. Arrived at the hotel within about 25 minutes and paid the taxi driver the pre agreed 350. He said to me as I paid him "what about a tip" and I just gave him a withering look and ignored the request.
Checked in to the hotel and met my DIA girl with her two kids about 30 minutes later outside the hotel, they had travelled from Gapan City to meet me. Mom was 37 and an ex bar girl and her two daughters aged 18 and 20. Now maybe some of you guys might think that meeting a DIA girl in AC is not a good strategy since AC has more than enough to occupy every guy's needs, but the thought have having a mom and two daughters was just irresistable and since AC was the most accesible place for us to meet in terms of airports it had to be AC.
The first night I spent in bed with the 18 year old girl, just imagine humping a pretty young girl with her mom and sister in the next bed watching TV, the most unusual experience I have ever encountered in all my trips to the Philippines and utterly priceless. She was very inexperienced so I did not have the pleasure of receiving any foreplay though I spent ages kissing her small breasts and sucking her nipples under the bed cover whilst she giggled shyly. Her pussy was so wet that her juices had run down the inside of her thighs and after about 20 minutes of kissing and touching and playing gently with her clitoris I mounted her. We had sex in the missionary position and I must have got a bit carried away as she whispered in my ear "slow down slow down". I did as she asked and just ground myself in and out as slowly as I could before turning her over onto her belly and entering her from behind. Mom leaned over to me as my head popped out from the bed cover and said "is it ok" and I just grinned and nodded sheepishly. Back to work and within another 10 minutes I orgasmed with her as she cried out and she tried to muffle her groan with her hand. I was feeling tired and we nodded off in each others arms with mom and the other daughter still watching TV.
The following morning I joined mom and the older daughter for a shower, I was still hard from the half of viagra I had sneakily popped the night before and got a really nice blow job from mom, which was unexpected and unasked for, a really nice surprise. I spent 20 minutes in the shower washing mom and the older daughter, whilst mom washed and soaped me all over, what a nice way to start the day. I then led the older sister into the bedroom once we had dried off and with both of us butt naked, we had sex there and then on the smaller of the two beds, with mom and the youngest daughter getting dressed and behaving as though this was a normal everday occurence.
I gave both girls a new cell phone each, cost me the equivalent of about 2000 pesos each (from the UK) but we priced them in SM Mall at 8000 each, quite a saving and the girls were utterly delighted with their gifts.
Left mom and girls with some money to buy lunch and catch a movie whilst I went off exploring. I walked the full length of Fields and Perimeter Road and found myself at the far end of Perimeter Road where it bends round sharply to the right. Took a left turn just before the road bends to the right and found myself in a blow job bar called the Jolly Frog and had a drink there. Very depressing place with about half a dozen very old foreigners drinking beer and looking completely bored and the girls were completely unnattractive. I stayed for one drink before making my excuses and leaving. One thing I discovered which was not obvious from old reports is that Fields Ave and Perimeter Road are actually just one continuous but very long road.
Later that night I took mom out as she was trying to find an old friend that worked at Pashas on Walking Street. I have seen old posts comparing this Walking Street with the one in Pattaya and I have seen some pretty disparaging remarks about AC's Walking Street. To be honest I found it to be interesting and a good alternative to the one in Pattaya, obviously not as slick and commercialised but still a great place. We went in to Pashas and I was really shocked to see the dancing stage literally packed with young girls all dressed very sexily, but with maybe only a dozen or so customers in the bar, I should however point out it was only 9pm. I have never ever seen so many girls packed onto one dancefloor I am not exagerating when I say there was probably 30-40 girls. I was truly amazed and I must have been stood there with my mouth wide open, since my experiences of bars in Mindanao and Cebu have been completely different. The friend was no longer at the bar and we had a drink later at the bar next to Voodoos where you can sit perched on a bar stool and watch the world go by.
Last night enjoyed the company and pleasures of mom and her two girls during the night and woke up this morning feeling very tired.
Mom and her girls left today to head home, I will definitely meet them again but not in AC. Probably take them to Subic where I will not have so many distractions. Anyway I want at least one night here to sample the delights of AC as a single person. Gave Mom 5000 pesos to cover her travel costs to AC and back home again and they all seemed to be very satisfied with my gifts. AC so far has been very memorable for me and I have not even sampled the bar girls yet!
FurryFriend
07-24-11, 05:49
how do you figure this? have you run bar before?oh give me a break and use some business logic. the more bars profit, the more they can hire, and the more choices are available for everyone. econ 101.
ask any bar owner whether cheap charlies or spluring koreans would induce them to expand their business and hire more girls and the answer is obvious. i've never met a bar owner who said "if only i get more cheap charlies in here, i can hire more girls."
i the last few years there has been an increased popularity and surge of tourist money flowing into ac. would you say the quality of pussy has gotten better or worse? is the general monger happier or less happier today.do you know you've just contridcted yourself? if there's an increased surge of tourism, it's because tourists are happy and pleased with what's going on in ac. the only people not pleased are cheap charlies and expats who are getting outspent.
why do you think koreans (and other asians) are flooding into ac? obviously, it's because they're happy with what they're getting. this proves, once again, that the amount you spend is directly corolated with the quality of girls and service you get.
next thing you will tell me that you think double lady drinks are a good idea too because:
1. you can always say no to a dld.
2. dlds bring in more money for the barsi never said i prefer to pay more. but i have no problem with the price of lady drinks as long as prices were clearly revealed before i ordered. the bars have the right to charge any price they want. i have the right to refuse to buy.
the point is this: if you buy a bargirl in ac a drink, you can reasonably expect her to barfine.that is not my understanding. you buy her a drink because you want her company. that's it. everything else is negotiable and subject to mutual consent. that's how it works in a free society. so a guy is down $4. 00 as a result. soon enough, if that $4. 00 is so important to him, he'll ask the girl about barfining before he buys the drink. trial and error.
i can't believe we're even having this discussion. how can anyone morally justify prostitution if there is coersion? does anyone really want to sleep with a girl if she genuinely doesn't want to have sex with him? i consider that borderline [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
the hot young girls will always be more demanding. it's called supply and demand.
ThatGuy865
07-24-11, 06:22
You buy her a drink because you want her company. That's it. Everything else is negotiable and subject to mutual consent. That's how it works in a free society. So a guy is down $4. 00 as a result. Soon enough, if that $4. 00 is so important to him, he'll ask the girl about barfining before he buys the drink. Trial and error.Furry. You are absolutely 100% correct with this. When you buy a drink the only expectation should be the girl will sit and keep you company for the duration of that drink. The only thing a drink buys you is the OPPORTUNITY to NEGOTIATE whether the two of you are compatible and if the girl WANTS to leave with you.
It does NOT automatically means she SHOULD or WILL leave or even cares to be BF. Once a guy understands that. He will do much better in AC.
oh give me a break and use some business logic. the more bars profit, the more they can hire, and the more choices are available for everyone. econ 101.except when the girls can make enough money off drinks to be really picky. then your choices are actually shrinking.
look at the extreme (hypothetical) case. girls are making insane amounts of money off drinks. 50k pesos a month and up, say. how many girls would still want to barfine? only if they see something they really like i. e. it would be like dating in a non-p4p scene.
ask any bar owner whether cheap charlies or spluring koreans would induce them to expand their business and hire more girls and the answer is obvious. i've never met a bar owner who said "if only i get more cheap charlies in here, i can hire more girls."what's good for the barowners is not always good for the mongers.
do you know you've just contridcted yourself? if there's an increased surge of tourism, it's because tourists are happy and pleased with what's going on in ac. the only people not pleased are cheap charlies and expats who are getting outspent.or maybe it's because the word is really getting out on ac, that's where the increased customers come from. or because economically, asia is a more happening place now. or because it's easier to get to ac now (with more direct flights into clark).
are there really more tourists in ac compared to years past? it's low season now, and many reports suggest the going is really slow in the bars. however, the hotels seem to be doing good business. maybe some guys are cutting out the bars and doing sneakouts, and getting girls through other venues.
why do you think koreans (and other asians) are flooding into ac? obviously, it's because they're happy with what they're getting. this proves, once again, that the amount you spend is directly corolated with the quality of girls and service you get.
i never said i prefer to pay more. but i have no problem with the price of lady drinks as long as prices were clearly revealed before i ordered.
exactly. and if the bars would only clearly reveal the cherry girls before we ordered them a drink we would all be happy.
the bars have the right to charge any price they want. i have the right to refuse to buy.
that is not my understanding. you buy her a drink because you want her company. that's it. everything else is negotiable and subject to mutual consent. that's how it works in a free society. so a guy is down $4. 00 as a result. soon enough, if that $4. 00 is so important to him, he'll ask the girl about barfining before he buys the drink. trial and error.
i can't believe we're even having this discussion. how can anyone morally justify prostitution if there is coersion? does anyone really want to sleep with a girl if she genuinely doesn't want to have sex with him? i consider that borderline [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).look, money plays a big role in this situation. it's called p4p after all. the biggest reason why girls choose to work in ac bars: money. reason why they go on barfines instead of just staying in the bar: money (although this is increasingly not true anymore in certain bars. the girls make enough money off drinks that they don't really have to barfine anymore, and many don't). in short, the ac bargirls are doing it for the money. because they are poor, and pretty much have to (or continue to live in abject poverty).
is this coercion? is this "borderline [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)"? it's financial pressure and incentive. happens in pretty much all of p4p (with some rare exceptions). it's the nature of the beast. if you have a problem with this, you should not be doing p4p.
it is a free world btw. the girl is free to not work in a cathouse in ac. once they choose to do so, there are certain expectations. you can't work in a cathouse and be prim, proper and choosy. only in the pi!
furryfriend, if you want to find girls who really want to sleep and fuck with you, go to the mall in a rich country. in pi malls, even is the girl is a normal girl she may very well be doing it for some kind of financial benefit (or maybe hoping for a green card to the us). find a girl who is financially well off enough, and you will find happiness.
FurryFriend
07-24-11, 08:22
What's good for the barowners is not always good for the mongers.You're right. Not "always". But I think we all agree that there is (and should be) mutual benefit between the bars and the patrons. Methinks a $4 drink is a reasonable price to pay for newbies to learn the ropes.
For patrons to think he should pay as little as possible is not in the bar's interest. I think we should throw the bar owners a bone once in a while.
Look at the extreme (hypothetical) case. Girls are making insane amounts of money off drinks. 50k pesos a month and up, say. How many girls would still want to barfine? Only if they see something they really like I. E. It would be like dating in a non-P4P scene.
Except when the girls can make enough money off drinks to be really picky. Then your choices are actually shrinking.That won't happen.
Here's how capitalism works.
If girls can make lots of money from drinks, more girls will enter the industry (and bars will hire them). The more girls are in the industry, the more downward pressure there'd be on prices and barfines. After all, it is economically impossible for there to be a massive glut of girls working on Fields and each of them can get away with being picky. You'd need to assume that there's an infinite number of tourists.
True, the really hot ones can be picky and will sell herself to the highest bidder. That's actually good. Because if I bid high enough, I can get her. If price isn't a factor, then it's first-come-first-served. You likely wouldn't be able to get her anyway because the second she steps onstage, some Cheap Charlie can pluck her offstage.
Or maybe it's because the word is really getting out on AC, that's where the increased customers come from. Or because economically, Asia is a more happening place now. Or because it's easier to get to AC now (with more direct flights into Clark).Even if Asia is rocking with prosperity, tourist wouldn't flock to AC unless they feel they're getting value for their trip. You don't see these Korean tourists mongering in New Delhi. Do you think the Koreans have colonized AC because they're getting screwed with runners and nonperformers?
It is a free world BTW. The girl is free to NOT work in a cathouse in AC. Once they choose to do so, there are certain expectations. You can't work in a cathouse and be prim, proper and choosy.Who said they must have sex with clients to work in a bar? What's wrong with girls working only to sell commissions from drinks?
This is not a brothal or "cathouse". It's a "bar". It says so at the door. There should be no "expectations" from patrons to sleep with any girl. She has the right to say NO. You're there to drink, watch the silly show and get company. Everything else is negotiable and rightfully subject to mutual consent.
Checked in to the hotel and met my DIA girl with her two kids about 30 minutes later outside the hotel, they had travelled from Gapan City to meet me. Mom was 37 and an ex bar girl and her two daughters aged 18 and 20. Now maybe some of you guys might think that meeting a DIA girl in AC is not a good strategy since AC has more than enough to occupy every guy's needs, but the thought have having a mom and two daughters was just irresistable and since AC was the most accesible place for us to meet in terms of airports it had to be AC.I don't know what to say. On the one hand I am pissed that you got a mother and TWO daughters when most of us would be happy with a mother and ONE daughter. You have to be a greedy SOB and do two daughters and their mom. :)
On the other hand, congratulations on your success. Makes those of us with a lot less success more envious than ever.
Glad to see you are having so much fun, you lucky bastard. ;)
Slim
Do you know you've just contridcted yourself? If there's an increased surge of tourism, it's because tourists are HAPPY and PLEASED with what's going on in AC. The only people not pleased are Cheap Charlies and expats who are getting outspent.Depends on what context you're looking at.
Most tourists are not hardcore mongers and love to waste their money on crap. The top tourist destinations in the world are the ones with the largest amount of expensive utter crap, such as Disney World.
These tourists wash away the delicate culture of P4P like a tsunami, leaving behind them a wasteland of themed malls, t-shirt shops and designer hotels, where all the money stays with landlords, and nothing gets into the hands of enterprising young pussy.
Do you know you've just contridcted yourself? If there's an increased surge of tourism, it's because tourists are HAPPY and PLEASED with what's going on in AC. The only people not pleased are Cheap Charlies and expats who are getting outspent.An increase in Tourism doesn't necessarily mean that tourists are happy. Is it all repeat tourists? Effective marketing campaigns have been known to spur tourism in countries sending a flood of NEW tourists.
The only people not pleased are Cheap Charlies and expats who are getting outspent.Sorry, you're wrong.
I know people who don't fit into either of those two groups who are NOT PLEASED with the attitudes of some of the girls now and who are NOT PLEASED with what AC is offering today.
This is not a brothal or "cathouse". It's a "bar". It says so at the door. There should be no "expectations" from patrons to sleep with any girl. She has the right to say NO. You're there to drink, watch the silly show and get company. Everything else is negotiable and rightfully subject to mutual consent.Sounds like an American Politician.
"There should be no "expectations" from patrons to sleep with any girl". Haha, yah I fly to AC so I can drink in a bar ONLY!
Of course she has the right to say "NO". I think we all understand that, dude!
Fast Buck Artist
07-24-11, 15:34
An increase in Tourism doesn't necessarily mean that tourists are happy. Is it all repeat tourists? Effective marketing campaigns have been known to spur tourism in countries sending a flood of NEW tourists.When I call AC hotels on the weekend, they are all fully booked, even the expensive suites. Whats on offer seems to be in demand!
As for the cherry girl discussion. I don't understand the whole topic. Personally I wouldn't do an AC cherry if she barfined ME. They are bad in bed.
If some japanese dudes want to pay for inane bar chat followed by sexless night of snuggles and cuddles, hey, whatever floats their boat.
Rob Woodrow
07-24-11, 18:12
You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.It's not just the money, but the time. If bar "prime time" is from 8 til midnight, there are a finite number of interviews a guy on vacation has time to complete on any given night.
There's really no excuse for not clearly labeling the cherry girls. It's an attempt to fleece money from unsuspecting customers, period. I have no problems with cherries in the bars. I just feel they should be labeled. It would make things easier for the guys who are deliberately looking for them, too.
Personally, I always sit close enough to the stage to inspect the ID's. If the girl covers it up, I move on to the next girl.
It's not just the money, but the time. If bar "prime time" is from 8 til midnight, there are a finite number of interviews a guy on vacation has time to complete on any given night.
There's really no excuse for not clearly labeling the cherry girls. It's an attempt to fleece money from unsuspecting customers, period. I have no problems with cherries in the bars. I just feel they should be labeled. It would make things easier for the guys who are deliberately looking for them, too.
Personally, I always sit close enough to the stage to inspect the I'd's. If the girl covers it up, I move on to the next girl.As far as I am concerned labeling anyone as something less desirable is degrading. If you are that hung upon $4 then ask straight up, no need to be embarrassed even if she is not virgin she might have her period or may not like you in first place. Time is no concern if money is no concern, you can always pay and walk away in order to save time.
For those lucky enough to spend less then thousand bucks to get to AC, $4 should be no big deal either.
I have no problem with cherry girls, I think many of us don't mind them and enjoy them in some capacity. I know one monger that married one (still married 5years now). I also know of one that has had many and buys them houses, AC regular, obviously with some big bucks behind him. Bottom line is there is a market for them and they will be there for long time to come.
Like in the supermarket make your choice more careful. If you can't see the tag then just ask before shelling any cash.
I don't see it as scam, at best a bar can earn 4-5 drink a night which means around $10 profit for the bar. Do you really think the bar owners are that desperate?
I the last few years there has been an increased popularity and surge of tourist money flowing into AC. Would you say the quality of pussy has gotten better or worse? Is the general monger happier or less happier today. Is there more value for your money today?
I think cheap charlies are good to have around. They keep things in check.Based on what? Just a presumption?
For my two pence worth, certainly the hotels are a lot busier, BUT from my personal observation quite a few of their guests appear to be businessman. Who else would come down to breakfast alone and in a suit at 7 AM?
Yes, the budget airlines flying into Clark have certainly brought more Koreans, Chinese and possibly Malaysian's to town but I think we are all aware they have their own bars and agenda.
When I was in town at the beginning of the month it was certainly much quieter than my last visit, prices had moved up, but service and attitude had deteriorated.
Maybe good old Patty is a little bit more expensive, but the quality of the product is better, you don't have too fight extortionate demands from tricycle drivers et al, and in MHO Patty is much safer.
I would hold my hand up and say that here is a very experienced Monger it is much less happy with the current AC, and I'm certainly not a cheap Charlie! Higher prices should bring better service but it's very obvious they are not as far as AC is concerned.
ThatGuy865
07-24-11, 20:22
Based on what? Just a presumption?
For my two pence worth, certainly the hotels are a lot busier, BUT from my personal observation quite a few of their guests appear to be businessman. Who else would come down to breakfast alone and in a suit at 7 AM?
Yes, the budget airlines flying into Clark have certainly brought more Koreans, Chinese and possibly Malaysian's to town but I think we are all aware they have their own bars and agenda.
When I was in town at the beginning of the month it was certainly much quieter than my last visit, prices had moved up, but service and attitude had deteriorated.You're absolutely right. AC is seeing more and more businessmen because of the expansion of businesses on Clark. That is partly the reason for the increase in Hotels being built and increase in prices. And what I believe to be partly the reason for the interest in cleaning up AC. (I. E. Bar raids) Clark is bringing in big $$$$. And as more and more business invest. The less AC will need monger bars. As it is more and more are doing dance routines and floor shows. And fewer of those girls are BFing.
Clark freeport posts 352% increase in investments. http://www.gglc.ph/n.nvestments.html
I don't believe that EVERY girl came to AC with the idea of being a Prostitute. For most it was probably the ONLY offer of a paying job they had. So those who truly are not into BF's. Try to get by with as few BF's as possible. Their wages have increased and with that their need to BF has decreased.
If they can get by without BF's then I believe quite a few won't. And I have no problem with it.
Had my first night alone in AC last night. I started off at Dirty Ducks on the recommendation of a friend and positioned myself where I had a good view of the stage and settled down. Almost immediately I caught the eye of Lyn a beautiful tiny girl, so petite and slim I could have easily picked her up with one hand. Got her to join me and bought her a regular lady drink (150 pesos) and got chatting. She was so cute and aged 20. I was able to put my thumb and index finger around the girth of her upper arm and my hands are not so big, so it gives you an idea of how tiny she was. Got round to the subject of barfining and she told me she was not feeling well. She was shivering involutarily and whether that was because she was coming down with flu or the air con I will never know or maybe I just didn't appeal to her? I was pissed since I thought to myself why are you dancing if you are not feeling so well, but I put it down to beginners bad luck, paid for the drinks and left.
Next into Pashas, where I had gone the night before with my gf. Not as busy on the stage but still packed with about 30 girls. One caught my eye Elizabeth who was not smiling (maybe a bad sign) but seemed very sultry in a sexy kind of way. Again slim like Lyn but much taller looking fairly detached from what was happening around her, almost as if she felt embarrassed. I was joined by the Mamasan and pointed out Elizabeth. Not keen not to make the same mistake that I had made in the previous bar, I asked the Mamasan what girls were available for barfining. She pointed across the stage and said to me that all the girls were availlable for bar fining so I asked her to bring Elizabeth over to my table. The mamasan told me she would speak to the girl on my behalf and I told her that was not necessary I could speak to the girl myself.
Anyway Elizabeth joined me and we got chatting. I ordered a further drink and a lady drink (again 150) and as the waitress went off to fetch the drinks whilst Elizabeth in the meantime drops the bombshell and tells me (in her own words)"I have blood". WTF so I said "I guess that means you cannot be barfined right?" and she nodded, looking slightly embarrassed. I got up and went over to the bar and saw that the drinks had been prepared. I told the waitress to cancel the lady drink and the Mamasan came over to enquire what was wrong?. I told her I was not happy since she had told me all the girls were available for barfining and that I would not have ordered a drink for Elizabeth if I had known she was on her period. The Mamasan argued back that I should have allowed her to speak to the girl first, so maybe I was at fault what do you guys think? Anyway I paid for my SML without drinking it and walked out feeling a bit down.
Went into a few other bars had some drinks but nothing really atracted me until I ended up in Voodoo. I met another girl in there called Mary Jane, not a traditional beauty by any stretch of the imagination, crooked teeth and eyes set slightly too wide apart but very attractive in a subtle kind of way that I cannot explain. She was like the other girls extremely slim with the flattest stomach I have seen in a long time. I was surprised when she told me she had a six month old son fathered by a Russian guy who is living and teaching computer studies in AC. Anyway I purchased her a lady drink and bought myself a further non alcoholic drink as I was reaching my limit for alcohol especially beer which I find very bloating. Mary Jane was keen to be barfined and told me she would stay for breakfast and I felt happy I had now found someone I was happy with. It was now around 1. 30am and I was feeling tired so told Mary Jane we would head back once we had finished the drinks. We continued chatting and she told me how it was her ex bf (the Russian guy) that had brought to AC from Samar. She then told me her boyfriend had contracted a number of sexually transmitted diseases as he was constantly unfaithful with numerous bar girls. Well I don't know what happened to me right there and then but it completely extinguished any desire I had for Mary Jane, even though she assured me she was not infected. I just lost all interest within that split second of her telling me this story, much the same as if someone had poured a cold bucket of water over my head. I stayed and chatted to her for a little while longer and then told her I was feeling too tired to take her back, made my excuses and left.
I felt a little bit down after my not very auspicious start to the bar scene in AC, went back to the hotel alone and slept soundly. I need more time here really to understand the scene a bit better here, which is unlike anything I have experienced in the Philippines before. I only have a few hours spare this afternoon before I fly back to Cebu so I am going out this afternoon to have a last couple of hours bar hopping. If anything interesting happens I will post here!
Fast Buck Artist
07-25-11, 06:37
I don't believe that EVERY girl came to AC with the idea of being a Prostitute. For most it was probably the ONLY offer of a paying job they had. So those who truly are not into BF's. Try to get by with as few BF's as possible. Their wages have increased and with that their need to BF has decreased.Very true.
Most hookers in Malate are there because they want to be hookers (or at least are comfortable with the idea of getting paid for sex)
A lot of the girls in AC bars are not happy being hookers, don't like the idea of sleeping with strangers, and are in the bar only because they had no paying alternative whatsoever in their home province. If you barfine one of these girls you are likely to run into a wall of complaints back in the hotel room (your too big, I am ticklish, I don't do xyz, can I go now, etc.)
For this reason when in AC I don't usually pick a girl, I let the girl pick me. Which in my case almost always is a waitress, or a door girl (very rarely a dancer)
Had my first night alone in AC last night. I started off at Dirty Ducks on the recommendation of a friend and positioned myself where I had a good view of the stage and settled down. Almost immediately I caught the eye of Lyn a beautiful tiny girl, so petite and slim I could have easily picked her up with one hand. Got her to join me and bought her a regular lady drink (150 pesos) and got chatting.
Went into a few other bars had some drinks but nothing really atracted me until I ended up in Voodoo. I met another girl in there called Mary Jane, not a traditional beauty by any stretch of the imagination, crooked teeth and eyes set slightly too wide apart but very attractive in a subtle kind of way that I cannot explain. She was like the other girls extremely slim with the flattest stomach I have seen in a long time. I was surprised when she told me she had a six month old son fathered by a Russian guy who is living and teaching computer studies in AC. Anyway I purchased her a lady drink and bought myself a further non alcoholic.
I felt a little bit down after my not very auspicious start to the bar scene in AC, went back to the hotel alone and slept soundly. I need more time here really to understand the scene a bit better here, which is unlike anything I have experienced in the Philippines before. I only have a few hours spare this afternoon before I fly back to Cebu so I am going out this afternoon to have a last couple of hours bar hopping. If anything interesting happens I will post here!Aloha and thanks for the report. Myself I don't worry about buying one regular drink for a girl while I interview them.
And then I figure out if they like boom boom. On the mens or if we might be compatable? To me the drink helps them and pays for some of their time with me and the fact I appreciate they are dancing. So I don't head trip on that. Its like my money up to roll the dice. But I don't let them get the high price drinks that some of them do. And then I do limit all the other friends that want a drink also.
Love angeles. Send me pm if you want to do some bar hop with another resident here. But tonight I will be going to subic. Plan only one night.
So I also met a hottie in genesis and felt some infatuation and? Emotionally attachment after having a drink with her.
She tell me she has mens. Ok its okay I like her and very interested in a long time bar fine and maybe even as a girlfriend.
So I bar fine her and take her home and no boom boom.
I think we made plans to be together after she is over her mens and I tell her I will take her to boracay or anywhere she wants to go? ?
Subic what ever.
I go back two days later to verify and get her again. I had been planning this to be with her for at least a few days a week or more if we were still compatable. Even sent some of my other girls out of town with some friends.
As I sit to talk to her and make further plans. She tells me."I feel sick and need to take some rest so I will not be at the bar for a few days".
And I ask her if she is going to see me? She say s no she can not see me if she not working because she get in trouble with mamason
Hahahahah. Silly me for thinking we had made some great plans and that I met a very nice and hot girl.
Yes she so nice and hot that she was probably only at the bar until over her mens and then go with a regular?
But she can not even tell me the truth of course.
So yes I felt dejected and rejected and its funny but my feelings were hurt.
Yes vicious circle. The girls get hurt. And if we take a girl seriously then we get hurt. So keep it all for fun and don't worry.
But then the girl that told you about infections. Yes I estimate 50 % of girls have something. And most guys will not talk about it.
My girl with mens I also had complete check up with my doctor and she was okay so I was so excited that I knew she had no infection and that I thought when she was over mens then we would have a great time.
Don't want to beat a dead horse but the infections in angeles are interesting. I wear a raincoat or get the girl checked. A.
I have several doctor contacts to make it safer. The city health here does a very poor job.
Anyway off to subic for the night
I felt a little bit down after my not very auspicious start to the bar scene in AC, went back to the hotel alone and slept soundly. I need more time here really to understand the scene a bit better here, which is unlike anything I have experienced in the Philippines before. I only have a few hours spare this afternoon before I fly back to Cebu so I am going out this afternoon to have a last couple of hours bar hopping. If anything interesting happens I will post here!It's karma. You did so well with the mother and two daughters that karma is getting even. ;)
Slim
MauiDude.
I would have loved to have taken you up on your offer but sadly my very brief visit here is over and I am flying out back to Cebu this evening on the 8. 30pm flight. Sunset Garden very kindly allowed me to check out at 2pm and I left my bags here to have one last wander around this afternoon. Just arrived back at the hotel and just had the most authentic Thai cuisine I have eaten anywhere in the Philippines, a very enjoyable and spicy pad ped grapow guy.
I discovered a really good massage place this afternoon, round the back of Walking Street, a place called Gabrielle's Massage at the Varesini Hotel. I have had two other massages at AC during my stay but both of them offered standard massage but no extras. This place looked professionally run, not some backstreet shack as you can find here and a choice of 6 or 7 quite cute young girls. I have been in some of the other massage establisments around Fields but most of the girls just did not do anything for me, on the whole ugly and old. Even if it is a legitimate massage there is something very erotic about a hot young girl rubbing her hands over my body.
Anyway I was quoted 400 pesos and agreed on the price. I chose a really pretty, hot, slim 19 year old girl. I had a shower (many of the massage establishments I tried do not even have showering facilities) and she spent the next hour giving me a fantastic oil massage. Now when she first gave me a towel, I didn't get given the usual pair of oversized boxer shorts to put on, so I figured that was a good sign since I would go butt naked and test the water so to speak.
Once she had finished with me lying on my front, I turned over to see what would happen. She spent ages on my arms and chest and then worked down to my legs, with her hand sliding up and delicately brushing my cock which had woken up from its slumber and was growing ever harder by the minute. Once finished she announced "would you like extra?" and after ascertaining the price to be another 500 I agreed. Well what followed was one of the best hand jobs I have ever had in my life. I have had several of the 'Lingham massages' including Chuva Chuva in Cebu City, but to tell you the truth this girl surpassed all of the so called specialist massage places I have been to. She was expertly massaging my prostrate with one very oily hand almost in perfect rythm with the other hand which was busy masturbating me. As I exploded in her hands she increased the frequency of her hand movements which gave me one of the best and prolonged climaxes I have had for a long time (including full sex). I was able to take another hot shower once she had cleaned me up, with her first making sure she milked my cock dry of any remaining cum. A very relaxing and enjoyable afternoon before I fly back to Cebu.
The one thing I do find frustrating with AC is the complete lack of meter taxis and the constant attempts at overcharging by trikes. I prefer to walk everywhere unless it is raining and even then I will use a jeepney rather than a trike. Forgot to mention I was in Fields the other night in Walking Street and was accosted by an American guy probably around 40. He called out to me as I walked by "Hey can you help a fellow American in desperate need" I replied "I am not American" to which he responded "Well you are a foreigner and we all need to stick together and help each other" I never hung around to find out anymore, I am assuming he wanted money. Felt strange being accosted by a begging foreigner and I would have loved to hang around and find out was his hard luck story was, but I had better things to do with my time.
I did notice many older foreigners here in AC, some looking like complete down and outs, who would look more at home queueing up outside a soup kitchen for the homeless. I know many guys have modest pensions and they come to live the Philippines dream here in their retirement years and I am not knocking that. Would probably do the same in their situation, but I think there is no excuse whatever your income to walk around looking like you have been living on the streets for the last few years. AC seemed to have more than its fair share of these types.
The persistent street hawks and peddlers are a constant irritation especially when you get asked the same question 100 times each day. I don't even respond now, I just completely ignore them as if they just do not exist and it seems to be the most effective tactic. It is quite funny when they are virtually in your face and you act as though they are not even there. That is apart from the fellow who grabbed my arm forcefully yesterday when I ignored his efforts to sell me viagra and I equally and forcefully pushed him away. I am sure I was called something fairly rude and disgusting in Tagalog but I just walked away quickly but ready to deal with him if he came back for more, which he didn't. I wouldn't really want to be in the street exchanging blows with one of the locals, with all the risks that entails and prefer to walk away rather than cause an unecessary scene.
The other thing I noticed on my trip here was that fukin annoying perimeter fence. It means that if you want to go to SM Mall you have to walk the whole length of Perimeter Road (if you are staying up that end of AC) to the Jeepney Station in order to cross the road to get there. Why they don't put in some crossing points along Perimeter Road is beyond me?
Even though the bar scene did not quite work out as I had planned, I would certainly come back again. I think 5-6 days would probably be enough for me but it is nice to be able to read the AC thread in future and be able to put everything into context, very difficult to do unless you have actually been here in person.
It's karma. You did so well with the mother and two daughters that karma is getting even. .
SlimThaks Slim probably true, without doubt the highlight of my whole trip so far and a difficult one to ever better. I will certainly be paying them a further visit in another 4-5 months
when in AC I don't usually pick a girl, I let the girl pick me. Which in my case almost always is a waitress, or a door girl (very rarely a dancer)That has been my experience 100% in AC & most other pussy bars for that matter.
AV
I was in Fields the other night in Walking Street and was accosted by an American guy probably around 40. He called out to me as I walked by "Hey can you help a fellow American in desperate need" I replied "I am not American" to which he responded "Well you are a foreigner and we all need to stick together and help each other" I never hung around to find out anymore, I am assuming he wanted money. Felt strange being accosted by a begging foreigner and I would have loved to hang around and find out was his hard luck story was, but I had better things to do with my time.That is the famous "American beggar". He is completely full of crap. To all readers, please do not give anything to any beggar including Americans.
You're absolutely right. AC is seeing more and more businessmen because of the expansion of businesses on Clark. That is partly the reason for the increase in Hotels being built and increase in prices. And what I believe to be partly the reason for the interest in cleaning up AC. (I. E. Bar raids) Clark is bringing in big $$$$. And as more and more business invest. The less AC will need monger bars. As it is more and more are doing dance routines and floor shows. And fewer of those girls are BFing.
Clark freeport posts 352% increase in investments.
http://www.gglc.ph/n.nvestments.htmlYour link doesn't work.
What kind of expansion are you referring to?
Rob Woodrow
07-25-11, 15:40
As far as I am concerned labeling anyone as something less desirable is degrading.Then get over it. If 5 people apply for a job, and only 1 of them gets it, then the other 4 were less desirable. If a man marries a woman, he's saying that every other woman on earth was less desirable. If you barfine a gal, you're saying the other girls in the bar (and in town) were less desirable (in that specific moment, at least). Less desirable people are inevitably the result of economic choices-not just in the P4P scene, but in any business where a person is hired. Choosing a contractor to remodel your house means that the other contractors were less desirable.
If you are that hung upon $4I said it wasn't about the $4.
then ask straight up, no need to be embarrassed even if she is not virgin she might have her period or may not like you in first place.I also mentioned my method for handling this.
Time is no concern if money is no concern, you can always pay and walk away in order to save time.Well, if the goal is to eliminate wasted time, how about more visible labeling of the cherry girls?
I have no problem with cherry girls, I think many of us don't mind them and enjoy them in some capacity.I said this too. Did you actually read the post?
I don't see it as scam, at best a bar can earn 4-5 drink a night which means around $10 profit for the bar. Do you really think the bar owners are that desperate?4-5 drinks per night for the whole bar based on "cherry confusion" seems like a lowball estimate. In The Owl's Nest, maybe.
Again: what is the reason for *not* marking cherry girls?"Well, they might have mens, or might not like you, or might not barfine anyway" or any other variable is hardly an excuse for not eliminating one variable. The bar can't control the chemistry with the customer, but it sure as hell knows who has a red "V" on the tag. And as I mentioned, it would make it easier on the guys who go in specifically looking for cherries, like your married friend, or your house-buying friend.
When I call AC hotels on the weekend, they are all fully booked, even the expensive suites. Whats on offer seems to be in demand!That's the odd thing going on in AC. Hotels quite full (book well in advance if you have a trip planned, or you may not end up with your first choice) , but bars quite empty. Conclusion: guys still like AC, but not so much the bars of AC.
Ok. I was thinking too much time spent with regards to cherry girls.
But then I go into a bar as a friend told me about a girl there that was hot hot hot.
My type. 19 year old sexy. 31 kilos. Yes my type and not a cherry girl.
And so skinny that wow most guys would say no way. But that kind of girl just turns me on.
I sit down with her and so hot and exciting to me. I am in such a good mood.
She has friend that is a cherry girl. She is maybe 38 kilos but still okay.
Why not. This girl has only been in the bar for four days and very nervous.
So I will show her I am nice guy and wait for her to get comfortable,
I bring the cherry girl over and also a third.
Mostly because I reallly want this extremely skinny girl to like me and get lots of days with her.
But also its fun in the bar and entertaining.
So the third girl has much more expierence then the other two.
The cherry girl and the super skinny girl start giggling and acting like they have never seen a white guy before?
Soon. The expierence girl is putting the other two hands on my little head and they are now all three playing with me.
Wow. And the skinny one and cherry girl is just giggling and laughing and so shy.
It was so funny and actually very entertaining to watch as I just sat there and they used me as their play toy.
Soon I am taking turns kissing and touching all the three girls an then dry humping and other things maybe I should not tell.
Hahahah.
But I am having fun.
Soon the cherry girl is french kissing me and I have my finger almost in her ass and she is loving it and getting so excited.
Now she was more excited then the other two and she was playing with me more then the other two?
WTF. I am having so much fun with this cherry girl. She is ripe and ready. And more ready then the other two or at least more
Exciting then the other two.
Now I know (as much as anyone can around here?) she is cherry girl and first night in the bar. As the owner of the bar is a friend of mine.
And I have inside information? (not that there arent other factors that could be faked)
Ok so I could see the cherry girl appeared to be more sexually turned on then the other two. Now I am thinking wow. Would be nice to take her and have more fun. She got hot and wild. She is like a ripen fruit ready to be picked?
And I am not into cherry girls in general but now that I met this one?
I will not pay a higher cost but it does give a different perspective on the situation.
Some cherry girls will become like porn stars as soon as someone unlocks the inhibitions?
Some will be more work then its worth and like the super skinny non cherry girl. (she says she has no fun with boom boom)
So out of the three girls I think I would and I did have more fun with the cherry girl? Amazing
Ok. I was thinking too much time spent with regards to cherry girls.
But then I go into a bar as a friend told me about a girl there that was hot hot hot.
So out of the three girls I think I would and I did have more fun with the cherry girl? AmazingWell, good for you that you had fun with the cherry girl. But the point has always been that those of us who don't like to waste drinks and time on cherries would like them clearly identified as so. I don't object to cherry girls in bars per se, just want them clearly identified so I can steer clear of them. And those of you who like them can find them easier too! A win-win situation I would say. Except for the bar owners of course, they don't get to scam newbies on cherry girl drinks.
As far as I am concerned labeling anyone as something less desirable is degrading.Shaking your ass on stage in a bar in your bikini is degrading.
Getting groped for a ladiesdrink is degrading.
In the Dollhouse Group, wearing a white tag (1500 p barfine) vs green tag (3000 p) is most degrading, according to Mc Don's logic. Are the white tags only worth half as much as the green ones?
Wearing a tag identifying a cherry girl as such, arguably indicates that she is more desirable, not less. For a lot of cherry girls, if you pay them enough (20-100k) you can fuck them too.
If you are that hung upon $4 then ask straight up, no need to be embarrassed even if she is not virgin she might have her period or may not like you in first place. Time is no concern if money is no concern, you can always pay and walk away in order to save time.
For those lucky enough to spend less then thousand bucks to get to AC, $4 should be no big deal either.The cashiers at the 7-11 on Fields avenue have been known to shortchange customers. And sometimes the waitresses in the bars too. Usually only 100-200 pesos. Maybe we should take that lying down too. Only 2. 50. 5 USD after all.
I have no problem with cherry girls, I think many of us don't mind them and enjoy them in some capacity. I know one monger that married one (still married 5years now). I also know of one that has had many and buys them houses, AC regular, obviously with some big bucks behind him. Bottom line is there is a market for them and they will be there for long time to come.
Like in the supermarket make your choice more careful. If you can't see the tag then just ask before shelling any cash.In a supermarket, I don't buy items without a price tag on them. Usually I don't even bother with an unmarked item. If I really want it, I will ask a clerk for the price. But I do get annoyed for having to ask. Why can't they put the price tag on in the first place.
If it was a policy in the supermarket, if lots of items there don't have a price tag, I wouldn't shop there at all.
I don't see it as scam, at best a bar can earn 4-5 drink a night which means around $10 profit for the bar. Do you really think the bar owners are that desperate?Mc Don, why do you think cherry girls are not clearly marked as such?
ThatGuy865
07-26-11, 03:26
Your link doesn't work.
What kind of expansion are you referring to?Sorry here you go
Clark freeport posts 352% increase in investments. http://www.gglc.ph/n.nvestments.html
Yokohama to expand operations in Clark, pours in Y20 billion.
http://www.gglc.ph/n.%20billion. Html.
These and more are coming. Which will create jobs. Bring business exec types to the community. Which will bring more restaurants, hotels. Which mean non skill jobs which the girls will be able to get as legit waitress, domestics. Assembly workers in the factories. Cleaning crews. Etc etc.
ThatGuy865
07-26-11, 03:37
In a supermarket, I don't buy items without a price tag on them. Usually I don't even bother with an unmarked item. If I really want it, I will ask a clerk for the price. But I do get annoyed for having to ask. Why can't they put the price tag on in the first place.Now that would definitely be degrading to walk around with a price tag like you selling her as a piece of meat.
The difference between the supermarket and the bar is one is legal and the other isn't.
I guess you missed the slave days when people were sold on a block like a commodity. Them days have passed
Its this type of attitude towards the women which feeds right into every thing those "human rights" groups state about mongers.
MadisonGuy
07-26-11, 05:15
Well, good for you that you had fun with the cherry girl. But the point has always been that those of us who don't like to waste drinks and time on cherries would like them clearly identified as so. I don't object to cherry girls in bars per se, just want them clearly identified so I can steer clear of them. And those of you who like them can find them easier too! A win-win situation I would say. Except for the bar owners of course, they don't get to scam newbies on cherry girl drinks.Wadman unfortunately you missed an earlier post. A cherry girl is not necessarily a cherry girl but a way for the girls to get out of being with someone they don't want to be with. I had multiple girls tell me they do this with guys they don't want, they signal or somehow tell house and then they make it impossible by either saying she can't or saying she's a cherry girl. The drinks and stuff aren't that much even lady drinks so I would just chalk it up to finding the best girl for you. There's plenty to choose from in AC.
FurryFriend
07-26-11, 07:07
That's the odd thing going on in AC. Hotels quite full (book well in advance if you have a trip planned, or you may not end up with your first choice) , but bars quite empty. Conclusion: guys still like AC, but not so much the bars of AC.
That's an absurd statement. Guys aren't staying at Angeles City hotels for anything but the bars and whoring. You think armies of tourists, particularly Korean men, are there to sample the five-star dining at the SM Mall?
If the bars are empty, maybe the punters have already picked out their girls and banging them in their rooms instead of feverishly strategizing on how to avoid $4 drinks.
That's an absurd statement. Guys aren't staying at Angeles City hotels for anything but the bars and whoring. You think armies of tourists, particularly Korean men, are there to sample the five-star dining at the SM Mall?
If the bars are empty, maybe the punters have already picked out their girls and banging them in their rooms instead of feverishly strategizing on how to avoid $4 drinks.You may be right mostly. But I do meet guys that come here for business. The families of girlfriends or wives golf and a few other things?
And maybe they do some bar hop but they spread out fast. And maybe not bar hop everynight.
Actually some of the koreans and other guys are here for the gambling mostly.
I know some girls that hang out with koreans and this is what they tell me?
But you are both right to varying degrees from what I have seen and heard.
I live here in angeles and sometimes I only go to the bars once a week.
But also many guys come here for stickly girls and fucking. As many as they can.
I love the girls but tired of some of the hassles on the street and at the bars. So I do go a lot of other places like Subic Batangas and Puerto Galera for other recreation. Of course I would not be here at all if the girls were not here.
Well, good for you that you had fun with the cherry girl. But the point has always been that those of us who don't like to waste drinks and time on cherries would like them clearly identified as so. I don't object to cherry girls in bars per se, just want them clearly identified so I can steer clear of them. And those of you who like them can find them easier too! A win-win situation I would say. Except for the bar owners of course, they don't get to scam newbies on cherry girl drinks.Yes but you can always ask before you take the girl from the stage. I do because I have been burned before.
And check the name tag.
\also what about the girls that are not cherry and don't really want to fuck?
Should we have a sign saying I am ready three holer or two holer or I don't give head?
Yes there are so many scams and bs in the bars. You do have to navigate around the bs.
So it gives my mind something to do while I am getting an erection.
But cherry girls are not the only ones scamming for drinks.
Now that would definitely be degrading to walk around with a price tag like you selling her as a piece of meat.
The difference between the supermarket and the bar is one is legal and the other isn't.
I guess you missed the slave days when people were sold on a block like a commodity. Them days have passed
Its this type of attitude towards the women which feeds right into every thing those "human rights" groups state about mongers.That's the reality in AC. All bargirls in AC have an I'd tag and city permit tag pinned to them.
In the Dollhouse group bars, white tag girls are 1500 p and green tags are 3000 p. Have been for quite a while now. Mamasans and waitresses are open to explain this to you when asked (maybe not so lately with the latest round of raids).
I have seen bar owners / managers do a picture session with dancers on stage. And yes, they order them around like pieces of meat."turn around, stick your ass out, grab your ass with both hand"
Look, no need to vilify me, I am just telling it as it is.
Wadman unfortunately you missed an earlier post. A cherry girl is not necessarily a cherry girl but a way for the girls to get out of being with someone they don't want to be with. I had multiple girls tell me they do this with guys they don't want, they signal or somehow tell house and then they make it impossible by either saying she can't or saying she's a cherry girl. The drinks and stuff aren't that much even lady drinks so I would just chalk it up to finding the best girl for you. There's plenty to choose from in AC.
Madisonguy, you must not have been in AC for a while, or did not pay attention while there.
A cherry girl is a girl who has a red "v" on her I'd. That's what cherry has always meant in AC. The "v" stands for virgin. Supposedly that means the girl is still a virgin, but often it just means the girl just doesn't want to go out for boom boom (unless it's with the right guy, but again, officially she does not fuck).
All the other non-cherry girls in the bar always have the option to refuse to go with you too. She just has to say "mens" or any excuse she can come up with.
That's an absurd statement. Guys aren't staying at Angeles City hotels for anything but the bars and whoring. You think armies of tourists, particularly Korean men, are there to sample the five-star dining at the SM Mall?
If the bars are empty, maybe the punters have already picked out their girls and banging them in their rooms instead of feverishly strategizing on how to avoid $4 drinks.Like I said in my original post, it's an odd situation with the hotels full and bars empty. Odd but true. If you don't believe me, go to AC and have a look. Or read the reports on the other AC / PI boards.
A lot of punters get their girls outside of the bars now. The guys that live there or stay there long term have own private stock, they call them up directly. Even I have some phone numbers built up by now. Which doesn't mean I don't go into the bars. I do. A lot. 6-10 hours a day when I am there. Cause there is nothing to do in AC and you can only fuck so much.
Well, good for you that you had fun with the cherry girl. But the point has always been that those of us who don't like to waste drinks and time on cherries would like them clearly identified as so. I don't object to cherry girls in bars per se, just want them clearly identified so I can steer clear of them. And those of you who like them can find them easier too! A win-win situation I would say. Except for the bar owners of course, they don't get to scam newbies on cherry girl drinks.I agree. No harm in having the Cherry girls in the bar, but it would be better if they weren't on stage dancing with the other prostitutes (better if they were servers). Clearly label them as cherries and / or make them disclose to the customer that they are cherries before accepting drink orders.
Of course this won't be implemented because scamming newbies brings in revenue, and these days there are more newbies than ever.
I agree. No harm in having the Cherry girls in the bar, but it would be better if they weren't on stage dancing with the other prostitutes (better if they were servers). Clearly label them as cherries and / or make them disclose to the customer that they are cherries before accepting drink orders.
Of course this won't be implemented because scamming newbies brings in revenue, and these days there are more newbies than ever.You are asking for business ethics in a business which is at best is shady and at worst is a rip off.
All girlie businesses in the world runs on bait and switch, promise but do not deliver, deception either by padded, pushed up bars, virgin promises, true age lies etc.
AC is not any different. The bars have to make money. If they start hanging big V signs, Big red signs on menstruating girls, Big yellow signs on runners etc that you ask they might as well.
Be closing up shop and run away.
Virgin girls whether you like them or not fit a niche in this business.
Once again in AC there is no real pressure on you to buy drinks, ladydrinks, barfine. Anyone can sit there and watch the show without spending one penny.
If you want to avoid V girls ask the mamasan beforehand. They are more than happy to assist you. They are also a good info sources on girls about service.
MadisonGuy
07-26-11, 16:51
Madisonguy, you must not have been in AC for a while, or did not pay attention while there.
A cherry girl is a girl who has a red "v" on her I'd. That's what cherry has always meant in AC. The "v" stands for virgin. Supposedly that means the girl is still a virgin, but often it just means the girl just doesn't want to go out for boom boom (unless it's with the right guy, but again, officially she does not fuck).
All the other non-cherry girls in the bar always have the option to refuse to go with you too. She just has to say "mens" or any excuse she can come up with.One post you talk about how you're not happy with the cherry girls being clearly marked and then the next you are talking about how a cherry girls has a Red V on her I'd. Make up your mind.
One post you talk about how you're not happy with the cherry girls being clearly marked and then the next you are talking about how a cherry girls has a Red V on her I'd. Make up your mind.The "V" is very small and visable only on one of the two cards which the girls wear and only on one side of that card. It's a PAIN IN THE ASS to constantly look at these I'd cards in dimly lit bars in order to weed out the cherries.
So, I got two tactics I use to avoid the cherries:
1. Look at I'd's.
2. Ask mama / manager who the cherries are.
Anyone got another one worth sharing?
Chocha Monger
07-26-11, 18:20
That's the reality in AC. All bargirls in AC have an I'd tag and city permit tag pinned to them.
In the Dollhouse group bars, white tag girls are 1500 p and green tags are 3000 p. Have been for quite a while now. Mamasans and waitresses are open to explain this to you when asked (maybe not so lately with the latest round of raids).
I have seen bar owners / managers do a picture session with dancers on stage. And yes, they order them around like pieces of meat."turn around, stick your ass out, grab your ass with both hand"
Look, no need to vilify me, I am just telling it as it is.Wadman,
Everyone knows that the bar scene in Angeles City is a meat market. The meat is labeled and numbered then paraded before mongers in the most delightfully degrading manner. Mongers then choose which piece of meat they want to fuck based on physical characteristics such as big boobs, flat belly, tight small ass, sexy legs, etc. Then the seasoned mongers call the meat over before buying a lady drink and drill them with questions like, 'Do you suck cock? Do you swallow? Can I fuck you in the ass? Do you have menstruation? How many times can I fuck you? Do you lick pussy? Can I take pictures? ' Mongers don't write reports and post pictures based on intellectual conversations with fuck meat. Reports read more like the steak connoisseur's review of the taste and texture of a selection of meats complete with pricing and sourcing information. Of course, some mongers have difficulty reconciling the reality that they're patrons of a meat market with their Western, and most often American, values so they vilify other mongers in an attempt to assuage their feelings of guilt. However, they will continue to eat meat. Don't give too much thought to their comments. They're the equivalent of American women who will argue that killing animals is wrong under any circumstance between ravenous bites into their meal of a Big Mac, fries and Diet Coke.
Of course, some mongers have difficulty reconciling the reality that they're patrons of a meat market with their Western, and most often American, values so they vilify other mongers in an attempt to assuage their feelings of guilt. However, they will continue to eat meat. Don't give too much thought to their comments. They're the equivalent of American women who will argue that killing animals is wrong under any circumstance between ravenous bites into their meal of a Big Mac, fries and Diet Coke.Spoken like a true Asian monger!
WestCoast1
07-26-11, 19:36
The "V" is very small and visable only on one of the two cards which the girls wear and only on one side of that card. It's a PAIN IN THE ASS to constantly look at these I'd cards in dimly lit bars in order to weed out the cherries.
So, I got two tactics I use to avoid the cherries:
1. Look at I'd's.
2. Ask mama / manager who the cherries are.
Anyone got another one worth sharing?Concur. It can be very hard to distinguish the cherry girls in any bar from your chair or table, even if you are sitting right up front where the girls are dancing. To make this case to you, a I had a conversation in a dark bar (is it called Road House? Near Coyote, the girls dance in near-perfect formation). I winked at one of the sitting beauties and she came over and I bought her a drink. I had just had two Santos girls and was just looking to barhop. The girl was very pleasant and talkative. In asking about which girls are cherry on stage, she seemed to think that it was easy to tell which ones were.
Girl: Just you look their I'd sir its easy. I can tell you all them.
Me: really.
Girl: yes its marked for cherry.
Me: ok. From where we are sitting, if you don't look at their face, and you look only at their I'd now as they are dancing, can you tell which ones are cherry?
Girl: yes.
Me: ok. Look only at the I'd. Tell me which ones are cherry. Don't look their faces ok?
Girl: ok.
Girl: wait. Its not right.
Me: whats not right.
Girl: they I'd. Some its turn back. Some not in correct order.
Me: whats that mean.
Girl: the girl is not got her I'd on correct. I cannot see it. You are right. That girl is cherry and I cannot tell from the I'd.
Me: so she is not displaying the I'd correctly.
Girl: yes. There is right way for it. Some them girls not wearing it a right way. MAMAAAAAAAA! I will tell the mama.
There you have it. Sometimes the girls wear two I'd's. In some bars the cherry I'd is a different color. If its behind the other I'd, or backwards, how can you tell? You have to have the mamasan point them all out.
One post you talk about how you're not happy with the cherry girls being clearly marked and then the next you are talking about how a cherry girls has a Red V on her I'd. Make up your mind.Yes, I have mentioned several times that cherry girls are not CLEARLY MARKED, and would like them to be so.
The red "v" on their tag is a small red "v" which is not always visible. I D turned around the wrong way, girl too far away, bar too dark, etc. In no way would I consider that CLEARLY MARKING cherry girls.
So where's the contradiction?
The "V" is very small and visable only on one of the two cards which the girls wear and only on one side of that card. It's a PAIN IN THE ASS to constantly look at these I'd cards in dimly lit bars in order to weed out the cherries.
So, I got two tactics I use to avoid the cherries:
1. Look at I'd's.
2. Ask mama / manager who the cherries are.
Anyone got another one worth sharing?By now, some waitresses recognize me and know I don't like cherries. They point out the cherries to me on their own accord. I make it a point to tip them a bit extra.
This is not a brothal or "cathouse". It's a "bar". It says so at the door. There should be no "expectations" from patrons to sleep with any girl. She has the right to say NO. You're there to drink, watch the silly show and get company. Everything else is negotiable and rightfully subject to mutual consent.If that were to be true, than we are all seriously off-topic. This is the International Sex Guide site, not the International Bar Guide site.
Yes, I have mentioned several times that cherry girls are not CLEARLY MARKED, and would like them to be so.
The red "v" on their tag is a small red "v" which is not always visible. I D turned around the wrong way, girl too far away, bar too dark, etc. In no way would I consider that CLEARLY MARKING cherry girls.
So where's the contradiction?There are reasons other than virginity that a girl may not want to go with you. I have never bought a LD or taken a girl from the high-pressure show bars in Fields but I have found that it is no problem to ask a few quick questions before inviting a girl for a drink.
"Are you cherry girl?"
"Do you have mens?"
"Are you available for LT?"
If she answers those 3 questions correctly then I invite her down for a drink. Then the real interview / feeling out happens. I would guess if I get to that point there is a 75% chance that I will take her home.
FurryFriend
07-27-11, 04:06
"Are you cherry girl?"
"Do you have mens?"
"Are you available for LT?"
If she answers those 3 questions correctly then I invite her down for a drink.If a punter does what you say, it will 100% solve this problem about wasting money on drinks.
Even if you force girls to wear a big V, they can still reject your barfine for menstrating or she doesn't like you. So "V" or no "V", that's a pointless exercise.
What you've suggested is a SLAM DUNK solution. It's idiotic trying to get bars to change their policies when a consumer can take just 10 seconds doing what you've suggested (if a $4 drink really means that much to him).
If that were to be true, than we are all seriously off-topic. This is the International Sex Guide site, not the International Bar Guide site.No, we're completely on-topic because we're discussing activities, not venues.
Talking about banging girls from a bar is on-topic even if the bar's official purpose isn't to arrange sex. Just as, talking about banging girls from DIA or the mall is on-topic even if DIA or malls weren't built specifically for prostitution.
You may be right mostly. But I do meet guys that come here for business.You'd have to admit that only a small percentage of men are there for "business".
And even so, after they conduct their business, they're probably in the bars.
The biggest liars in the world are straight males who're staying at a hotel on Fields but claims he's not interested in the bars.
FurryFriend
07-27-11, 04:17
Of course, some mongers have difficulty reconciling the reality that they're patrons of a meat market with their Western, and most often American, values so they vilify other mongers in an attempt to assuage their feelings of guilt. However, they will continue to eat meat.
There's nothing wrong or contridictory with enjoying this hobby while supporting a bargirls' right to choose. That's not some political correct nonsense -- it's commonsense. Besides, if a guy can't get a girl in a desperate [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor country to sleep with him for money, it's the guy's problem, not the girl's.
There's nothing wrong or contridictory with enjoying this hobby while supporting a bargirls' right to choose.Do bargirls in AC have to have a minimum number of barfines a month to make quota? I know they do this in LOS.
Fast Buck Artist
07-27-11, 06:07
Do bargirls in AC have to have a minimum number of barfines a month to make quota? I know they do this in LOS.
No there is no barfine requirement. FYI prostitution is illegal in Philippines :) Some girls do not go out with customers at all. Lady drinks only. A girl who does go with customers is still no guarantee that she will go out with YOU. I had a number of refusals for various reasons - period, cherry, and one girl honestly stated she just doesnt like me. Its ok, its a free world, cant please everyone.
Refusing to buy the girl a drink will NOT improve your chances of her going out with you thats for sure. I recommend chatting with mama first, and ask her which girl is cherry, which one is barfine happy, which one has decent english lingo. Your odds of kissing a froggy will decrease.
The biggest liars in the world are straight males who're staying at a hotel on Fields but claims he's not interested in the bars.
A couple of times I was in AC just as a stopover on the trip from north provinces (pangasinan, zambales, baguio).. but yea I didnt stop to admire the scenery of Mt Arayat :D
FurryFriend
07-27-11, 06:52
Do bargirls in AC have to have a minimum number of barfines a month to make quota? I know they do this in LOS.I have no clue. But if AC bars imposed such a rule, they risk getting shut down as barfines are illegal (and requiring an employee to spend the night with a stranger is unethical at best). With raids occurring a few times a year, I think bars know better than to risk being a target.
Others have already posted, but I would suggest some bars might use the lady drinks as a quota.
Do bargirls in AC have to have a minimum number of barfines a month to make quota? I know they do this in LOS.
A girl who does go with customers is still no guarantee that she will go out with YOU. I had a number of refusals for various reasons. Period, cherry, and one girl honestly stated she just doesn't like me. Its ok, its a free world, can't please everyone.
Refusing to buy the girl a drink will NOT improve your chances of her going out with you thats for sure. I recommend chatting with mama first, and ask her which girl is cherry, which one is barfine happy, which one has decent english lingo. Your odds of kissing a froggy will decrease.What is the ratio of refusals to non-refusals? Are guys getting refused in some bars more than others?
Sounds like things are drastically changing in AC! Looks like mama will become everybody's best friend now.
What is the ratio of refusals to non-refusals? Are guys getting refused in some bars more than others?
Sounds like things are drastically changing in AC! Looks like mama will become everybody's best friend now.A lot of variables. But to me its how you do the interview with the girl and how well you read between the lines.
Girls are getting better at scams and hustles.
Mama will hustle you also unless its a really good mama.
I just pay the drinks and talk to a girl if I get a good vibe watching her dance.
If I don't want cherry I ask first.
If she is on mens I don't worry because I am doing research and she is doing me a favor being in the bar.
So I do my interviews and try to get a sense of if we are compatable and how much she is willing to make me happy.
Living here I have changed a lot. I don't barfine the first night usually. Yes I want to fuck her of course.
But I want to spend more time taking my time and see if there are other things I like about her.
When I first moved here it was like as many girls as I could get and just boom boom.
Had more runners and poor expierences then but it was a numbers game for me.
Now its more about quality and compatability.
But I still want a naughty girl with open mind and also nice.
So I go to bars and other places to find the girls that I want to play.
If it was not for the bars and the girls I would never live here. Such a ghetto?
But still luckily lot of nice people I have met.
I refused a lot of girls and some refuse me. I don't head trip. I just say next in line
And the quality is more difficult as I am so picky now and she better show some enthusiasm.
Met girl at bunny ranch. Hot girl sat her down she would not put her arm around me and would not sit on my lap.
She said all she likes to do is sleep.
She does not like boom boom and has a baby at home so she is working the bar.
No enthusiasm and not affectionate. Bought her 150 pesos drink and said bye.
Now I was happy just to be an old guy with a young girl hot body sit next to me.
But I am looking for one that will boom 2 me and enjoy it. So I keep searching
Again its all in the interview and how you treat them are how you tell them what to do.
Everyone has their style some works better then others.
Member #4698
07-27-11, 13:14
What is the ratio of refusals to non-refusals? Are guys getting refused in some bars more than others?I was never outright refused in the smaller bars on Fields like Lollipops, Gecko and Dirty Duck. In fact it seemed to me all the girls were asking almost begging to be chosen. Same in Bodyshop, except there was one girl who was pretty hot and who wore her hair Chinese style. She ignored my glances and was obviously marketing herself exclusively to the Asian trade. If she had shot me a smile just once I would have bought her a drink, but since she ignored me completely, I just laughed at her attitude and happily concentrated on selecting a girl from all the others in the bar. In the bigger bars the story is a little different. Some of the girls (a small percentage IMO) just don't seem interested. If a girl does not give me a smile or ignores my glances, that is enough for me. No point in even conducting an interview. There are so many girls in AC that want to be bar fined why focus on the ones not inclined?
MadisonGuy
07-27-11, 16:11
What is the ratio of refusals to non-refusals? Are guys getting refused in some bars more than others?
Sounds like things are drastically changing in AC! Looks like mama will become everybody's best friend now.I think it is a little rare, I would imagine in the larger bars the girls that have the 3000 bar fine are most likely to refuse. A girl I pulled out had been talking to a guy and having a drink and I really wanted her but I thought she left with him when he left but then mamasan or the manager asked which girl I liked and I said the one that just left with the guy that was sitting there. She said no she didn't leave and I assumed it was because he didn't want her which made me extra suspicious of her. But she was a great session and turned out to tell me she denied leaving with that guy for some reason. To me there was nothing wrong with the guy and I can't believe that there's a ton of 30 year old guys like me walking through the door so maybe some of them go with a gut instinct or something. It's just like a strip club I suppose, it's hard to believe what these girls say sometimes. I talked to the manager of club asia or asia club and he said they just have to do the best to keep everything under control, he said it's normal for these girls to dissappear most likely with a customer for weeks at a time. I prefer the places in Manila, unless you really look at that health card to mean something I don't see the draw to AC. I like when you take a girl back to your hotel and money has never been discussed, it can lead to a problem in the morning but it never happened to me. They leave and ask for tip and I give them a fair tip.
What is the ratio of refusals to non-refusals? Are guys getting refused in some bars more than others?
Sounds like things are drastically changing in AC! Looks like mama will become everybody's best friend now.It is hard to say who will willing and who will refuse. It is just like dating. You try many girls and someone will say yes. You would think since it is prostituition none will say no.
Usual excuses like mens, I do only ST, Not feeling well, My family or friend is home waiting for me etc are just the options they have to decline your invitation politely. They are told to do that.
IMHO all these excuses go on the wayside once the girl likes you. Remember the girls do not consider themselves as prostitutes. They swear they do this because of poverty.
I have called the bluff on some girls on mens and have ended up very good sex all night but bloody sheets. Needed to tip the maid good. Same thing with ST only with many staying.
Till next evening with multiple shots.
I am sure everybody has a different experience with girls. Bottomline is if a girl refuses it is not personal. With literally hundreds of girls it is a non-issue.
What differentiates AC from other prostituition places is money alone cannot buy service and any girl.
Usual excuses like mens, I do only ST, Not feeling well, My family or friend is home waiting for me etc are just the options they have to decline your invitation politely. They are told to do that.I thought "I only do ST" was just that. Is it a way to shun the guy? Some have said that to me and I just take them ST. It never seemed like they didn't want to go, only that they thought of themselves as 'top shelf'.
KyCuriosity
07-27-11, 18:40
Greetings everyone. It's been quite a while since I've been able to take a trip to Angeles, but I can finally go again this January. I used to have a list online that quoted all the current EWR prices of all the bars. Does anyone have a link that lists all the up to date prices?
WestCoast1
07-27-11, 19:44
What is the ratio of refusals to non-refusals? Are guys getting refused in some bars more than others?
Sounds like things are drastically changing in AC! Looks like mama will become everybody's best friend now.My bargirl refusal rate, both in AC, MBC, or any freelance place (including Top Gun in Jakarta) is 20 percent. Of these, the reason is rarely money. Its almost always this or that thing in my laundry list of needs."Oh no sir I don't do that." Those that refuse often try and set me up with someone else who will. I'm still amazed that 80 percent say yes.
I thought "I only do ST" was just that. Is it a way to shun the guy? Some have said that to me and I just take them ST. It never seemed like they didn't want to go, only that they thought of themselves as 'top shelf'.Sometimes they are scared to sleep with a stranger or scared that it will be 10 rounds. I have had girls say only ST and I say let's talk a bit. After she is comfortable she often agrees to LT.
If she insists on ST only usually it is because she has a baby or boyfriend or girlfriend at home.
Do bargirls in AC have to have a minimum number of barfines a month to make quota? I know they do this in LOS.Info from an American Bar Manager:
There are no "official" quotas. But the girls make a salary everyday (forgot, was it 180 pesos? 220?). They need to "earn" their keep. Some girls are just happy to earn that salary (it's more than what many jobs will pay).
If the girl doesn't get any lady drinks, someone will talk to her and tell her to hustle and get some.
Have you noticed that in most bars there are couple of butt ugly girls. I always wondered, who would bar fine those ugly beasts. Well, they do get barfined; that's why the bar hires them. It seems that some guys want to barfine butt ugly things. I guess it's the "Arnold" syndrome; some guys want the girls to be uglier than themselves and have the girls fawn over them.
Member #4152
07-28-11, 03:55
Info from an American Bar Manager:
There are no "official" quotas. But the girls make a salary everyday (forgot, was it 180 pesos? 220?). They need to "earn" their keep. Some girls are just happy to earn that salary (it's more than what many jobs will pay).
If the girl doesn't get any lady drinks, someone will talk to her and tell her to hustle and get some.
Have you noticed that in most bars there are couple of butt ugly girls. I always wondered, who would bar fine those ugly beasts. Well, they do get barfined; that's why the bar hires them. It seems that some guys want to barfine butt ugly things. I guess it's the "Arnold" syndrome; some guys want the girls to be uglier than themselves and have the girls fawn over them.Dem Ugly girls usually aim to please, great customer service and go the distance to compensate for their ugliness! Plus with the right set of beer goggles, you won't even know what hit ya!
Don't be a pussy. Try it! LOL
Fast Buck Artist
07-28-11, 06:06
My bargirl refusal rate, both in AC, MBC, or any freelance place (including Top Gun in Jakarta) is 20 percent.Same for me, about 20% refuse. There could be 100 reasons why, maybe she's really on mens, or she doesn't like sleeping with strangers, or maybe my face reminds her of her ex. Whatever it is, I am thankful for a honest refusal, so I can move on and chat up a more willing girl. A worse scenario is when the girl doesn't like you but allows the barfine anyway, then you get the starfish treatment in the hotel. I am tired, I am ticklish, I don't do BJ, your too big, or just plain old silence.
What is the ratio of refusals to non-refusals? Are guys getting refused in some bars more than others?
Sounds like things are drastically changing in AC! Looks like mama will become everybody's best friend now.For me I have only been refused once (less than 5%) because she was only there to dance (so says the waitress).
Another had her mens, I called her bluff, took her back, and she bled all over the place. Lucky I did not DATY or I would be wearing the Dolmio Grin.
I am no Tom Cruise, so I put it down to where I was staying, a question they always ask. If I had stay in a shithole and I think my rejection rate would have been higher.
Chocha Monger
07-28-11, 11:19
She enjoyed her dinner, to say the least and so did I. I had not gone out on any dinner dates this year due to the fact that I would no longer subsidize women in Manhattan that would not put out sexually. I knew Rhoma would put out sexually, so I had no qualms about paying for her dinner, bar fine, and tip. We showered and then got into bed together. She was sweet as molasses. I did not spend as much time kissing her lips and body as I did with women in the Dominican Republic. I got right down to eating her pussy. And I certainly savored it. She smelled beautifully and her clit was succulent. I spent about twenty-minutes worshipping her pussy and I could discern without the slightest doubt that she was enjoying it. She really was getting off on having me lick her pussy. I did not know how she would react to licking her ass, so I started to inch down all the while licking the insides of her labia, slowly inching down until I could touch her anus with my tongue. I went up from her anus with my tongue all the way up to her clitoris and then back down again to her anus. And I did this successively. Once I knew she enjoyed having her asshole licked I then paid exclusive oral attention to it. I stuck my tongue in her asshole as far as I could, thrusting with tremendous intensity. This was probably the first time she ever had her asshole licked. Mongers are often hard pressed to lick pussy, let alone a woman's asshole. She did suck my cock as well in a 69 position while I licked her pussy and ass. She imbibed my cock with tremendous enthusiasm while I was eating her. She did have a few orgasms as a result of me licking her pussy and asshole and was tired to say the least. I could have fucked her then, for I was still erect, but I felt she needed the rest, not ready for anymore orgasms, not to mention she needed sleep. We fell asleep in each other's arms for about an hour. We woke up, took showers, got dressed and then headed down to the lobby. I had the doorman take a few pictures of Rhoma and I outside the ABC Hotel, to add to my cornucopia of photos that I had taken of us on the pool deck. We then stepped into the trike and headed back to the Doll House. While in Doll House I asked her whether she was going to go back to work and she said no way. She was ecstatic that she could go home. She got a great meal, stayed in a luxurious hotel and had her ass and pussy eaten out. That is a deal that sells itself and then some. And I could go out and do some more mongering.So you bar fined her just to feed her dinner then suck her asshole and pussy for an hour, let her sleep, then send her home early? Yet you wonder why the others had Princess Syndrome.
She was ecstatic that She got a great meal, stayed in a luxurious hotel and had her ass and pussy eaten out. That is a deal that sells itself and then some. And I could go out and do some more mongering.To each his own.
Inference is you wanted a regular date eye candy. You just wanted her to be happy without insertion sex. No wonder these girls are spoiled. If they can get away with.
No damage to their body more power to them.
IMHO AC girls whether eye candy or ugly are there to be fucked and enjoyed. More the better. Feeding her is ok. Sometimes these girls never had decent food.
It looks like you are selling yourself than she is selling herself.
Next time try dating sites for normal girls and treat them to your kind of date.
To each his own.
Inference is you wanted a regular date eye candy. You just wanted her to be happy without insertion sex. No wonder these girls are spoiled. If they can get away with.
No damage to their body more power to them.
IMHO AC girls whether eye candy or ugly are there to be fucked and enjoyed. More the better. Feeding her is ok. Sometimes these girls never had decent food.
It looks like you are selling yourself than she is selling herself.
Next time try dating sites for normal girls and treat them to your kind of date.Yup. Fully agree. For those guys who (almost) never get refused, are good looking, youngish, great attitude, funny, full of personality, treats the girl like a princess, etc. Maybe you should be looking to date regular (non-P4P) PI girls. Might save you some money too.
WestCoast1
07-28-11, 19:08
Same for me, about 20% refuse. There could be 100 reasons why, maybe she's really on mens, or she doesn't like sleeping with strangers, or maybe my face reminds her of her ex. Whatever it is, I am thankful for a honest refusal, so I can move on and chat up a more willing girl. A worse scenario is when the girl doesn't like you but allows the barfine anyway, then you get the starfish treatment in the hotel. I am tired, I am ticklish, I don't do BJ, your too big, or just plain old silence.Actually, if my refusal rate went from 20% to 80 percent, I would not care. I am only interested in girls (p4p or regular) who are into satisfying MY THINGS. If she cannot do one of my particulars, I'm completely uninterested (underscore COMPLETELY). I never worry about what the girls think. Does she like my smile? My hotel? My personality? I'm not there for that. I'm there for me. Its fine if the girl wants to get together again another time, and its fine if she never wants to see me again. Its fine if she wants to go with me (for whatever reason) , and its fine if she does not. I don't care about any of that. I only care if she is willing to do the particular things that I like.
As an example, one of my requirements is pictures. I don't care if she's Brooke Burke in looks. If she's not dying to be a cam sl*t, she's not for me. If she's even a hint shy to it, or a hint shy of being a sl*t, don't bother me. If she's a chatmate, I go to lengths in chat to be honest and tell her what I'm looking for. A lot of girls are not interested (and a lot of them refer me to a friend / cousin / sister who is like that). I never care what my refusals (or anyone) thinks of my preferences. I'm looking for a certain kind of girl (only). Fortunately, there are lots of those in phils.
JACKSON, BOARD RESPONSE TIMES ARE SLOW.
Dem Ugly girls usually aim to please, great customer service and go the distance to compensate for their ugliness! Plus with the right set of beer goggles, you won't even know what hit ya!
Don't be a pussy. Try it! LOLWay back when. I was on an extended trip to AC from Okinawa where I was stationed. I was staying at the Clarkton and was working my way thru the girls at Mirrors next door. This was when they had the small round stages with mirrors all around thus the name. I had sampled several of the dancing girls with good results and had made friends with the mama bringing chocolates and popcorn to share at the bar.
One night late I stopped in Mirrors for a drink on the way back to room and had not planned to barfine. The mama came over and asked if I had a girl yet and I said no. She said one of the girls had not had a barfine in several weeks and was losing her confidence. There were no real fuglies in the bar so I asked her to point out the girl. She was not the cream of the crop by any means but she did not look bad. She was older and a bit darker than the other girls and may be a little heavier but not fat. I did notice her body hair was more evident but not in a gross way. Smooth lighter skinned hairless petite Filipinas are my poison which is probably why I had not noticed her before. Mama asked if she could bring the girl over and I said sure.
The girl pulled up a stool next to mine and I ordered her a drink. We talked and she seemed nice and I saw no reason NOT to barfine her. She agreed to most of my request, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, shower together but no anal. At least I would make some brownie points with the mama. The barfine was whooping $12. 00 (P20 to $1) so that will tell you how long ago it was.
On the way to the room, we stopped at the Clarkton restaurant for a late snack. I told her to get whatever she wanted letting her order for herself. When we got to the room we started with some light kissing and then I slowly started to undress her. Got her down to her panties and shock of all shocks her Bush looked like a Brillo pad. Thick and black from just below her navel all the way down to her asshole. No hair is my choice but I saw this as a challenge.
I stripped and led her into the shower. She was responsive to my touch as I searched thru the undergrowth, found her clit and massaged it as we kissed. She was wet on the inside when I slid my finger in. She played with me and I got comfortably hard. After the shower she got a tooth brush from her bag and brushed before meeting me on the bed. I used mouth wash.
On the bed, we laid side by side and kissed as I explored her body. Her tits were larger and not as firm as I liked but she had no stretch marks. Her large dark nipple were very responsive as I licked and sucked. As I worked my mouth on her tits, my fingers were exploring her thick pubes. Her clit was already erect and quite extended. Seems her lack of barfines had left her horny. I slid a finger into her. She was tight and wet to the point it was leaking out and running down between her butt cheeks. I fingered her and found her g-spot and rubbed it. She started moaning and twisting her body on the bed as I massaged her internally and externally.
I kissed my way down her body towards her pussy. I could smell her muff. A bit tangy and not the sweet smell of a SYT. I licked her slit from bottom to top and the taste was pleasurable. Clean and a woman in heat. I played special attention to her big clit, sucking it between my lips and teasing it with my tongue. She sat straight up in bed and pushed my face out of her pussy. I asked if she did not like. She said no one had ever done that before and it felt strange but good. I could not believe she had never had DATY before. I told her to lie back and enjoy. And she did very much cumming at least twice before I finished. She did go ballistic when I stuck my tongue in her asshole and told me in no uncertain terms her anus was off limits.
I stretched out on the bed and pulled her up to me and kissed her. She was not real happy with the taste of her pussy as we kissed. She used her hand to wipe my mouth and went back to DFK. I told her it was her turn to suck me. She tried but was not very good. She kept one hand securely wrapped around my cock so only the top part would go into her mouth. It was enough to get me fully erect though.
I pulled her up so she was squatting over my thighs and she got the idea and held my cock up as she squatted down on it. Even as wet as she was it took her a couple of tries to get me all the way in. Then the greatest thing happened. She moved her tight pussy up and down my shaft never touching the rest of my body. Just her pussy and my cock was all that touched. I don't know how Asians can squat like that but its nice. She did not let her weight rest on me until I was though squirting up into her, then she collapsed down on me and rested her head on my chest. After my cock went soft, we washed up and got ready for sleep. I got her a clean t-shirt to sleep in (no panties) and we crawled back into bed. We slept spoon style was her butt to my crotch.
In the morning, I woke up with wood and needed to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). But I hate to waste a good erection and started to poke the girl between her thighs. I found her tight hole and started to slide into her from behind. I was almost all the way in before she started to wake up. She was startled but I wrapped an arm around her and told her to relax. She laid there and let me have my way with her. She got wetter but did not seem to overly enjoy my efforts. After I was finished, we showered together and she was more responsive in the shower with DFK and washing my cock.
I bought her breakfast and gave her some pesos to take a trike home. After I got the room cleaned up and sat around the pool, I went to Mirrors' happy hour which started at 12:00. Evidently, the word of my largess had gotten around as I got smiles and hugs from the day shift girls. I saw the girl and the mama later that night and both had big smiles also. All in all it was a good night for me. During the rest of my trip, I did not barfine the girl again but did buy her a couple of lady drinks. I saw her later in my stay with an older Aussie in the restaurant eating a late night supper.
Slim
Actually, if my refusal rate went from 20% to 80 percent, I would not care. I am only interested in girls (p4p or regular) who are into satisfying MY THINGS. If she cannot do one of my particulars, I'm completely uninterested (underscore COMPLETELY). I never worry about what the girls think. Does she like my smile? My hotel? My personality? I'm not there for that. I'm there for me. Its fine if the girl wants to get together again another time, and its fine if she never wants to see me again. Its fine if she wants to go with me (for whatever reason) , and its fine if she does not. I don't care about any of that. I only care if she is willing to do the particular things that I like.
As an example, one of my requirements is pictures. I don't care if she's Brooke Burke in looks. If she's not dying to be a cam sl*t, she's not for me. If she's even a hint shy to it, or a hint shy of being a sl*t, don't bother me. If she's a chatmate, I go to lengths in chat to be honest and tell her what I'm looking for. A lot of girls are not interested (and a lot of them refer me to a friend / cousin / sister who is like that). I never care what my refusals (or anyone) thinks of my preferences. I'm looking for a certain kind of girl (only). Fortunately, there are lots of those in phils.
JACKSON, BOARD RESPONSE TIMES ARE SLOW.Well said. Sometimes I tend to be too nice. And no good deed go unpunished.
Anyway I almost always regret when I do not assert what I want. And let the girl have it her way or half her way.
They will suck you dry if you let them ahahahahhaa.
I am much happier if the girl is more willing. Amazing how lazy and how little some girls want to do and they still want support.
Money and you to treat them to everything.
I refused more girls now then I get refused. And I agree fuck them if they do not like it. I am boss and its my way or the highway.
If a girl is good to me then I am good to her. But if she is not willing and or not enthusiastic then I just say bye.
Yes mostly I want enthusiasm
Same for me, about 20% refuse. There could be 100 reasons why, maybe she's really on mens, or she doesn't like sleeping with strangers, or maybe my face reminds her of her ex. Whatever it is, I am thankful for a honest refusal, so I can move on and chat up a more willing girl. A worse scenario is when the girl doesn't like you but allows the barfine anyway, then you get the starfish treatment in the hotel. I am tired, I am ticklish, I don't do BJ, your too big, or just plain old silence.I refuse about 90% of them and yes I get refused also. And then I am thankful that I don't get involved with someone.
That is not into me and willing to please.
Let them find someone else to cater to them. I am very nice to the girls but if I take a girl. I want to feel excitement and
Enthusiasm. Other wise I can go back to america and keep looking. Hahhaha.
Chocha Monger
07-29-11, 16:46
It seems like the recent raids have scared mongers out of the bars. There are hardly any mongers in the bars but lots of cute girls. The girls are very aggressive at pushing for bar fine and bareback is on offer. The only drawback is getting soaked in the rain going from bar to bar. The rain also seems to make the street vendors more persistent as there are less targets. There is also a short fat middle aged Filipino riding up and down Fields Ave and Perimeter Road on a scooter claiming to be a hotel manager interested in buying clothes from abroad to set up a business then trying the "can I see your wallet" scam on foreigners.
There is also a short fat middle aged Filipino riding up and down Fields Ave and Perimeter Road on a scooter claiming to be a hotel manager interested in buying clothes from abroad to set up a business then trying the "can I see your wallet" scam on foreigners."Can I see your wallet?" Seriously? Has anyone ever fallen for that or are you making a joke?
FurryFriend
07-29-11, 20:12
"Can I see your wallet?" Seriously? Has anyone ever fallen for that or are you making a joke?I don't believe that fucker is still around using the same tactics.
I almost fell for it. He tried it on me three years ago on my first trip to Angeles City.
Being a first timer and not knowing much about Philippine culture, my guard was let down. So I talked to him. He said he was from my hotel. When I asked which one, he couldn't answer. Not discouraged, he said he's promoting some new bar in Angeles City and asked if I wanted to go. When I said NO, he noted that I'm Chinese-American and said he's starting a business importing clothes and wallets from Hong Kong. I could tell he was full of shit because he quickly jumped from one conversational topic to another for no logical reason.
I got uncomfortable throughout the conversation. The tipping point was when he finally asked to see my wallet to see if it's a style he wanted to import. At that point, I said "I got to go". As I walked away, he said "shit, I'm fucking talking to you!" I should have turned around and took a photo of him and email it to Harry the Horse for publication.
I bet these guys are trying to transport victims to some illegal gambling den where the victim will lose all his money. The scumbag wants to see his victim's wallet to judge if it's worth bringing him there.
Almost every trip, I get approached by these assholes near the jeepyney terminal. It almost always starts by him barraging me with questions about where I'm from, how long I'm staying, etc. He will get so inquisitive about you even though you don't ask questions in return. Eventually, he'll say he knows a secret new bar in Angeles City and will try getting you into his trike.
RULE #1. NEVER talk to some Filipino guy who suddenly approaches you and gets friendly. Yes, Filipinos are friendly, but not THAT friendly. If anything, they're usually kinda shy and if you show little interest, they'll move on. Also, you shouldn't have that "Nice Guy" demeanor typical of happy tourists.
Fast Buck Artist
07-29-11, 21:20
RULE #1. NEVER talk to some Filipino guy who suddenly approaches you and gets friendly.Well that depends where and how. If you are out in the remote village where nobody sees foreigners, the guy approaching you with Hey Joe is just a friendly curious farmer.
In a heavily touristed area, AC bus terminal of all places? 100% crook, thief, beggar or trying to sell you crap. Where would you go if you were a crook? Where the tourists are!
Oh yes the "can I see your wallet" scam, it's a whole franchise, I had one of these fuckers approach me in makati near shangri hotel and also near the intercontinental. Have no idea what happens if you actually show them your wallet, I told both to fuck off immediately.
Chocha Monger
07-30-11, 01:25
I don't believe that fucker is still around using the same tactics.
I almost fell for it. He tried it on me three years ago on my first trip to Angeles City.
Being a first timer and not knowing much about Philippine culture, my guard was let down. So I talked to him. He said he was from my hotel. When I asked which one, he couldn't answer. Not discouraged, he said he's promoting some new bar in Angeles City and asked if I wanted to go. When I said NO, he noted that I'm Chinese-American and said he's starting a business importing clothes and wallets from Hong Kong. I could tell he was full of shit because he quickly jumped from one conversational topic to another for no logical reason.
I got uncomfortable throughout the conversation. The tipping point was when he finally asked to see my wallet to see if it's a style he wanted to import. At that point, I said "I got to go". As I walked away, he said "shit, I'm fucking talking to you!" I should have turned around and took a photo of him and email it to Harry the Horse for publication.
I bet these guys are trying to transport victims to some illegal gambling den where the victim will lose all his money. The scumbag wants to see his victim's wallet to judge if it's worth bringing him there.
Almost every trip, I get approached by these assholes near the jeepyney terminal. It almost always starts by him barraging me with questions about where I'm from, how long I'm staying, etc. He will get so inquisitive about you even though you don't ask questions in return. Eventually, he'll say he knows a secret new bar in Angeles City and will try getting you into his trike.
RULE #1. NEVER talk to some Filipino guy who suddenly approaches you and gets friendly. Yes, Filipinos are friendly, but not THAT friendly. If anything, they're usually kinda shy and if you show little interest, they'll move on. Also, you shouldn't have that "Nice Guy" demeanor typical of happy tourists.Yes. He is still around using the same bullshit stories. That would indicate that the scam works at least enough times for him to stick with it.
It seems like the recent raids have scared mongers out of the bars. There are hardly any mongers in the bars but lots of cute girls. The girls are very aggressive at pushing for bar fine and bareback is on offer. The only drawback is getting soaked in the rain going from bar to bar. The rain also seems to make the street vendors more persistent as there are less targets. There is also a short fat middle aged Filipino riding up and down Fields Ave and Perimeter Road on a scooter claiming to be a hotel manager interested in buying clothes from abroad to set up a business then trying the "can I see your wallet" scam on foreigners.Seems to me there are lots of guys in bars. And they are taking girls. I saw two girls I wanted in a bar.
From the time I sat down and ordered a drink. I tried to call them over and they got bar fined all ready.
And this was before 6 pm.
So some of these guys are bar fine early and get out of the bar and go have happy times.
Bareback has always been on offer. When I first came here. Maybe bareback 4 girls a day.
Now I understand more infections? And also I am happy if I just meet a nice and naughty girl.
That I can have for a few days or more.
Those scammers are out there and I just ignore them.
I walk fast and keep my hands close to my pockets so they can not pick pocket.
A friend of mine did get his pocket picked.
I smile and friendly but don't give any time and keep away from all the idiiots.
Also I don't argue with any of them especially the trike drivers. They will gang up on you and stab.
You with an ice pick.
So we are outnumbered but if you avoid conflict and contact you can stay out of trouble.
But yes lots of hot girls here and there. But lots of guys are after them
Member #4152
07-30-11, 08:10
Is it raining hard these days in Angeles?
Chocha Monger
07-30-11, 11:27
Is it raining hard these days in Angeles?Sometimes all day but mostly in the evenings.
Chocha Monger
07-30-11, 11:34
Bareback has always been on offer. When I first came here. Maybe bareback 4 girls a day.You know what they say. Once you bareback you'll never go back!
The only drawback is getting soaked in the rain going from bar to bar. The rain also seems to make the street vendors more persistent as there are less targets.You should make use of one of those persistent street vendors and buy yourself an umbrella! :o
Member #4152
07-30-11, 12:46
I'm coming up to the P. I. And I'm wondering if I should hit up Angeles or stay in Manilla? I'll be up there for a week and I've experienced Angeles before but not Manila. Any suggestions would be very helpful! Thanks.
Can someone state the standard prices?
MadisonGuy
07-30-11, 13:40
Can someone state the standard prices?1500 and 3000 are the two most common prices in AC, Manila it is more negotiable because you are working directly with the girl and for me atleast there was never a negotiation the girl just came back with me and I tipped her the next day if she asked.
Rainy days in summer are a very good reason to have flip flops and shorts.
The last time I survived a rainy day, the gal said she wanted to take off her wet jeans. At that point her jeans were wet only below the knees. At my room, I was Of course a gentleman, I offerred her one of my xl shirt for privacy. She stripped down to her pink panties and ignored my offer.
Strangest thing is that those jeans were still laying on the floor the next afternoon and they were still wet.
Sometimes all day but mostly in the evenings.
1500 and 3000 are the two most common prices in ACSome Perimeter bars as low as 1000. If you like ST,"blow row" (A Santos Street) is still 700.
WestCoast1
07-30-11, 15:40
Some Perimeter bars as low as 1000. If you like ST,"blow row" (A Santos Street) is still 700.Santos St (the street behind Swiss Chalet) blow-row bars: 700-800 gets an hour in the back room, or 2 hours in your room. One of the bars, Gobbles I think is the name, let me have 4 hours.
Perimeter bars, most are 1200 (about).
Fields bars are 1400-1500 mostly. A few of the large places (Atlantis) are 1500-2500-3000 depending on the girl.
SW can be had for as little as 500.
Globe Spinner
07-30-11, 21:19
I'm coming up to the P. I. And I'm wondering if I should hit up Angeles or stay in Manilla? I'll be up there for a week and I've experienced Angeles before but not Manila. Any suggestions would be very helpful! Thanks.P Burgos in Makati is pretty much the same scene as AC, except with a little more class and twice the price. Havana in Greenbelt 3 is good if you enjoy the chase (you don't have to run very fast). Similar action in Malate. Try Cowboy Grill, Amazonia and Manila Bay. Manila is a great town and definitely worth the trip.
Fast Eddie 48
07-31-11, 03:29
I'm coming up to the P. I. And I'm wondering if I should hit up Angeles or stay in Manilla? I'll be up there for a week and I've experienced Angeles before but not Manila. Any suggestions would be very helpful! Thanks.To Chimmy,
I think you should try Manila most people been to manila but not AC, Manila have much more to offer girl are much hotter than AC but more expensive with nice mall and large KTV.
Fast Eddie 48
Member #4152
07-31-11, 08:03
P Burgos in Makati is pretty much the same scene as AC, except with a little more class and twice the price. Havana in Greenbelt 3 is good if you enjoy the chase (you don't have to run very fast). Similar action in Malate. Try Cowboy Grill, Amazonia and Manila Bay. Manila is a great town and definitely worth the trip.Thanks bro. I'm a pretty young dude and I enjoy the GFE. A lot of girls were into me in Angeles because I was different, in shape, alright looking etc. I hope I can find the same in Manilla but we'll see. I really want to experience. The last time I was in Angeles, jarrod? I think that's his name from ABC recommend the Firehouse distract?
White Whale
07-31-11, 09:57
Is it raining hard these days in Angeles?I have been in AC / Subic area last four Summers (July bof August). This July was by far most rainiest of those four. Earlier Julys had "acceptable" level of raining meaning you could forgot your umbrella on bar hop because not likely not to need it all time. This July if you went out on rain break it was most certaiinly raining before you got back. In Subic there was one week of Typhoon and streets were flooded ankle deep of constant rain water.
Member #4152
07-31-11, 12:05
I have been in AC / Subic area last four Summers (July bof August). This July was by far most rainiest of those four. Earlier Julys had "acceptable" level of raining meaning you could forgot your umbrella on bar hop because not likely not to need it all time. This July if you went out on rain break it was most certaiinly raining before you got back. In Subic there was one week of Typhoon and streets were flooded ankle deep of constant rain water.Dang that sucks. What can I say though! I'm like a postman!"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds" LOL. I got to go and get mines! Plus here in the states, it cost about $200 per hour for AMP services.
I once sent out some rather detailed statistics about rain in the Philippines. Also got some help from some regulars who gave me some good URLs. I got beat up and down from people saying. Hey, post about the hos, who fkn cares about the weather.
So let me put in in simple terms for the simple guys. Summer, rains like cats and dogs. On the island of Luzon. That would be MNL and AC. Umbrellas, extra shoes socks and in some years thigh high fishing boots. Don't go hiking on Mt. Pinatubo. You fkn get washd away by the lahar.
Southern cities like Cebu and Davao are south of the normal monsoon sweep. Yea, it rains. Usually not all day. Usally not two days of typhoon shit, although that can be exciting in it's own way.
I prefer Visayans, and would always pick Visayans in the summer rainy months. X.
I have been in AC / Subic area last four Summers (July bof August). This July was by far most rainiest of those four. Earlier Julys had "acceptable" level of raining meaning you could forgot your umbrella on bar hop because not likely not to need it all time. This July if you went out on rain break it was most certaiinly raining before you got back. In Subic there was one week of Typhoon and streets were flooded ankle deep of constant rain water.
MadisonGuy
07-31-11, 15:21
Dang that sucks. What can I say though! I'm like a postman!"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds" LOL. I got to go and get mines! Plus here in the states, it cost about $200 per hour for AMP services.Yeah I was there in July, very big downer to go a week without seeing the sun. 200 / hour dang, you should come to Madison I don't pay over 100. The working girls here though have big issues where in other countries you can meet working girls who are decent girls, not that I would take them home to Mom but they don't lack social functioning skills.
Undercoverh
07-31-11, 17:00
This is the third murder this month of a foreigner in AC. This is from a newspaper here in Hong Kong. As a side note, on my first trip to AC 12 years ago, a bar owner was murder. At that time, I stopped going to AC. I guess much has not changed in AC, it is still the wild wild west. I am not posting this to suggest guys not go, and I know crime is everywhere.
UPDATE: Another foreigner and gf murdered at home!
Friday, July 16
Another foreigner and his girlfriend have been found murdered inside their house in Sta. Maria Subdivision earlier today after a foul decaying smell prompted police to check the house. It appears that the Caucasian foreigner of yet unknown identity was stabbed whilst his girlfriend might have been choked to death a few days ago.
This has happened only days after the murder of the Canadian and his girlfriend in the Oasis Hotel villa. Whether it is the same killer or merely coincidence is still unclear.
Update: The foreigner involved was of British nationality and shot with a 9mm caliber pistol in the face whilst a bullet wound was found in the girlfriends lower body. The caliber used was the same as that of the Canadian case and both presumably used a silencer. Neighbours, however, had heard some shouting between a male Filipino and the slain girlfriend on a date which would have been just before the presumed day of the murder. This, prompting the speculation that the girlfriend might have had an argument with a Filipino boyfriend in the house beforehand.
The two murder cases surely will catch the attention of Angeles City's highest officials who will do everything possible to solve the cases.
Guys.
August and particularly September are wet months in AC, its Typhoon season and the storms will keep rolling in. Just now there are 3 tropical depressions lining up over the western Pacific and marching towards the Philippines. Check out http://typhoon2000.ph/t2kgraphsat.gif For the latest, BUT Don't let the weather spoil the party, it's a warm rain and at least it cleans the streets somewhat, and trade is a bit slow just now, so plenty of choice in the bars.
If it's any consolation it is just as wet in Patty just now, with severe weather warnings for tomorrow. But hey! What if you do get soaked getting home from the bar! All the more reason for a quick shower together!
My take (as a semi-resident expat in the Philippines) is that the current spate of murders being reported from AC has more to do with with a business feud or a love triangle rather than a simple robbery. I believe it's highly unlikely that a casual tourist visiting AC would become involved in such crimes.
Have fun, but remember to be streetwise particularly after midnight.
This is the third murder this month of a foreigner in AC.You get clusters of these in AC from time to time. Take home message : AC is ok to visit but lousy place to settle down with a 'steady'. Overall the PI is pretty lousy with kidnapping and gun crime in general. Always keep a low profile and be very VERY careful who you invite into your life there.
AV
Chocha Monger
08-01-11, 00:11
Dang that sucks. What can I say though! I'm like a postman!"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds" LOL. I got to go and get mines! Plus here in the states, it cost about $200 per hour for AMP services.Get it while it's wet!
Fast Eddie 48
08-01-11, 05:46
Santos St (the street behind Swiss Chalet) blow-row bars: 700-800 gets an hour in the back room, or 2 hours in your room. One of the bars, Gobbles I think is the name, let me have 4 hours.
Perimeter bars, most are 1200 (about).
Fields bars are 1400-1500 mostly. A few of the large places (Atlantis) are 1500-2500-3000 depending on the girl.
SW can be had for as little as 500.If you take a girl after midnight at Gobbles you can get her until morning for 1000 p, I got a nice one on my last trip there that is very rare for the Blow row, I have got girl at santo last yr for 500 p st back to the hotel for a nice BBBJ.
Fast Eddie 48
Chocha Monger
08-01-11, 08:30
You should make use of one of those persistent street vendors and buy yourself an umbrella! :oYes. I'm sure they'd probably give me a good price and throw in a couple boxes of Viagra to boot but navigating the sidewalks with an umbrella just makes the obstacle course even more challenging. You can either spend time dodging cables, squeezing between poles and ducking underneath awnings from street stalls or just walk in the street taking your chances with the trikes in an effort to stay dry using an umbrella. I prefer to brave the elements and preserve my agility and mobility to escape the vendors and beggars.
MadisonGuy
08-02-11, 20:53
If anyone is currently staying at ABC or is planning to in the very near future could you please PM me, it would be much appreciated.
1500 and 3000 are the two most common prices in AC, Manila it is more negotiable because you are working directly with the girl and for me atleast there was never a negotiation the girl just came back with me and I tipped her the next day if she asked.Just came back from AC yesterday. Prices of girls had not changed much. 1) A perimeter waitress was booked at 6pm from Net 5 bar for P1200 for LT who allowed 2 rounds. 2) A dancer from Club Asia bar was booked for P3000 for LT (they have 2 prices system P1500 or P3000 maybe depending on girl look etc) at Field. 3) A girl from Blue Nile bar at Field was booked for P2000 for LT and stayed until 10am next day (They have 2 prices P1500 for ordinary dancer and P2000 for table dancer).4) A girl from Crystal Palace bar at Field was booked for P3000 and stayed till after breakfast at 10am (they have 2 prices P1500 or P3000). I did not really understand how the girls were classified as some of the P1500 were also stunners while some of the P3000 were also not stunners.
Oh yes the "can I see your wallet" scam, it's a whole franchise, I had one of these fuckers approach me in makati near shangri hotel and also near the intercontinental. Have no idea what happens if you actually show them your wallet, I told both to fuck off immediately.It's an old scam. Friendly man comes up to you and sometimes they will claim to know you as they happen to "work" at the hotel or a restaurant you have been to.
If you do take out your wallet, he will almost immediately take it from your hand just to tell you what NOT to do if a certain situation comes up. He will then immediately return your wallet and keep on talking. Then a farewell. You will only notice something is missing much later as he will not take all your money but some of it. Very fast slight of hand job.
Member #4152
08-03-11, 03:05
If anyone is currently staying at ABC or is planning to in the very near future could you please PM me, it would be much appreciated.Why what's up? I stayed there before and I'm thinking about coming back mid to late August. Depending on the rain. If not, I might just stay in Manilla.
FreebieFan
08-03-11, 04:24
It's an old scam. Friendly man comes up to you and sometimes they will claim to know you as they happen to "work" at the hotel or a restaurant you have been to.
If you do take out your wallet, he will almost immediately take it from your hand just to tell you what NOT to do if a certain situation comes up. He will then immediately return your wallet and keep on talking. Then a farewell. You will only notice something is missing much later as he will not take all your money but some of it. Very fast slight of hand job.Was in Glorietta and had some chancer come up to me, all smiles and "Hi Hello, don't you remember me".
Decided to play along and he happily tells me he was the guy who drove me from the airport recently to my hotel (I was met by a business partner who drove me to my condo but I wasnt going to let that get in the way of the game)
Said fellow introduced himself then told me he was down on his luck and could he borrow 1, 000 pesos and he would return it to me in my hotel the next day. As he was "my hotel driver I could trust him " he says.
As hes telling me all this I walking towards the entrance / exit and on reaching the door asked security to detain the guy for harassment, and attempted theft. They grabbed him at which point I left with a smile, and I advised him to get a job that didn't include scamming visitors. They probably let him go minutes later but at least he knows we arent all gullible.
Pengamputan
08-03-11, 07:33
If anyone is currently staying at ABC or is planning to in the very near future could you please PM me, it would be much appreciated.Hey bro madison.
Sorry I dnt knw how to PM you with the new layout, can't find the PM link. I just got back from a stay in ABC 3 weeks ago. Maybe you can PM me what you need. I'm planning to go back agn to AC in Sept.
Anyone know a good dentist in Angeles, will be there next month and want to have my teeth whitened.
Thank you.
Try the detists in SM mall. I have used them and they did a good job. Very reasonable price also.
MadisonGuy
08-03-11, 20:03
Try the detists in SM mall. I have used them and they did a good job. Very reasonable price also.I don't know how all you guys like the SM mall, they're busy like Christmas time all the time and the bathrooms are like you walked into a ghetto gas station. I couldn't sit back and relax in those malls because of those two reasons. I also saw better looking girls at the mall in Angeles but it was just as busy there too. Maybe I'm alone in that feeling. In latin america the malls are usually pretty slow and I guess I am used to picking up the girls working at the stores and waiting for them to not be working. I didn't really try to pick any girls up at the mall and both times had a girl with me so maybe that was my problem. Didn't really see any girls that I was like damn I want her though.
Try the detists in SM mall. I have used them and they did a good job. Very reasonable price also.Can you pm me wth any details, like name, location in mall, etc.
Thanks.
Sukhumvitter
08-04-11, 03:53
Hello, Guys,
Can anyone suggest a place for me and a few buddies to have some beginner lessons in Filipino Stick Fighting? Near Angeles or Subic would be best, but also Manila is OK.
Here is one place I found in Manila:
Website is : ptkmanila com.
But I'm hoping to find something closer to AC.
Cheers!
Hello, Guys,
Can anyone suggest a place for me and a few buddies to have some beginner lessons in Filipino Stick Fighting? Near Angeles or Subic would be best, but also Manila is OK.
Here is one place I found in Manila:
Website is : ptkmanila com.
But I'm hoping to find something closer to AC.
Cheers!When I was in AC I asked several people (ok bar girls) about their knowledge of the Filipino martial arts and no one had ever heard of them. The words "arnis","kali", and "escrima" were unknown to every person I asked. All had heard of boxing and tae kwon do and Manny Pacquiao is on every other billboard. Many had heard of the UFC. Gun shops and shooting ranges are everywhere and I stumbled across the Paintball World Championships one day. I think there is at least one MMA school there. No evidence though of the FMA!
Fast Buck Artist
08-04-11, 06:06
When I was in AC I asked several people (ok bar girls) about their knowledge of the Filipino martial arts and no one had ever heard of them.Engaging in conversation with a bargirl is usually less informative than having a chat with your family dog.
Eskrima seems a lot more popular outside the Philippines than inside! Skilled instructors are eager to leave and teach in US or elsewhere.
I know where you can get beaten up with sticks in Manila. Ateneo gym holds eskrima classes, never inquired about AC, you can ask here: www.fmaforum.org/index.php?showforum=19
Engaging in conversation with a bargirl is usually less informative than having a chat with your family dog.Dude! You just made me spit up my tasty adult beverage!
Member #4152
08-04-11, 07:02
Engaging in conversation with a bargirl is usually less informative than having a chat with your family dog.
Eskrima seems a lot more popular outside the Philippines than inside! Skilled instructors are eager to leave and teach in US or elsewhere.
I know where you can get beaten up with sticks in Manila. Ateneo gym holds eskrima classes, never inquired about AC, you can ask here:
www.fmaforum.org/index.php?showforum=19LOL. From sex to stick fighting! Hmm.
Engaging in conversation with a bargirl is usually less informative than having a chat with your family dog.
Eskrima seems a lot more popular outside the Philippines than inside! Skilled instructors are eager to leave and teach in US or elsewhere.
I know where you can get beaten up with sticks in Manila. Ateneo gym holds eskrima classes, never inquired about AC, you can ask here:
www.fmaforum.org/index.php?showforum=19First you need to know where these girls come from. They are more worried about earning money for themselves and their family. It is highly unlikely they will know enough general knowledge to appear on.
" Jeopardy " So just give them a break. Do not consider them as dogs, give them respect irrespective of what they do to make a living.
Certain girls who have gone to college are more informative than the mongers who go there.
If it is not lack of funds they would studying and be smart.
Please fellows be back on track on what the thread is all about. Let's talk of mongering experiences and tips.
I will start. On my recent trip I was a bit bored of the mechanical service of the regular bar girls, so I tried girls from outside the bars. I sent sms to several previous bar girls I had bar fined and a few responded. Some had retired, relocated and were working at mini markets. One had stopped working as bar girl for several months and had found a new job but did not mind seeing me in AC. She came all the way from Manila by bus on a Sunday afternoon and stayed for a night. There was no talk of money but I knew she needed. She was 20yo and brought me for dinner by Jeep to a Filipino restaurant called Capung Capung where they serve Filipino traditional food. The place was more for romantic souls. Later we went bar hopping and enjoyed our self. We were like long lost lovers finding each other again with her hanging on to me. She was hungry for sex and very horny. She went home by noon the next day with me feeling happy but I did gave P4000 for gift (for bus fare and time) which she never ask. The experience with her was worth the money I gave. Thus, keeping cell phone nos of bar girls can be quite beneficial for future use.
Please fellows be back on track on what the thread is all about. Let's talk of mongering experiences and tips.
I will start. On my recent trip I was a bit bored of the mechanical service of the regular bar girls, so I tried girls from outside the bars. I sent sms to several previous bar girls I had bar fined and a few responded. Some had retired, relocated and were working at mini markets. One had stopped working as bar girl for several months and had found a new job but did not mind seeing me in AC. She came all the way from Manila by bus on a Sunday afternoon and stayed for a night. There was no talk of money but I knew she needed. She was 20yo and brought me for dinner by Jeep to a Filipino restaurant called Capung Capung where they serve Filipino traditional food. The place was more for romantic souls. Later we went bar hopping and enjoyed our self. We were like long lost lovers finding each other again with her hanging on to me. She was hungry for sex and very horny. She went home by noon the next day with me feeling happy but I did gave P4000 for gift (for bus fare and time) which she never ask. The experience with her was worth the money I gave. Thus, keeping cell phone nos of bar girls can be quite beneficial for future use.You were lucky.
I did the same thing last year and when she showed up she was 50lbs heavier. Since she had traveled all that way I couldn't just tell her to get back on the bus so I was stuck with her for awhile. I tried to avoid sex with her but she won't take no for an answer.
FreebieFan
08-05-11, 01:54
You were lucky.
I did the same thing last year and when she showed up she was 50lbs heavier. Since she had traveled all that way I couldn't just tell her to get back on the bus so I was stuck with her for awhile. I tried to avoid sex with her but she won't take no for an answer.Its so funny (not) when we have wonderful memories of a cute and hot girl, we issue the standard sweeet words etc, then she arrives and we think OMG YOU CHANGED!
Even worse is having sex with someone we don't want to and calling forth all sorts of fantasy scenes to make it go better / faster etc.
I'm due to meet an old friend in 2 weeks, who WAS the sexiest girl I ever knew when she was 44kgs. Only she tells me she hasnt had 3 meals a day for many months and is now down to 37 kgs. I think she's going to be super skinny. But I'm sure I will still do her anyways. LOL
Anyone know a good dentist in Angeles, will be there next month and want to have my teeth whitened.
Thank you.Good dentist right next door to dirty duck. She takes care of me and most of my girls.
She on fields. Guzman.
Pm if you want more information
It is a concept only in AC. I have not seen in Manila bars including EDSA.
It is a matter of personal preference whether you want to stay away from V TAG. I sometimes prefer V Tag girls and have barfined many. Usually after thoroughly shagged out need a break for a day.
I do take them barhopping and disco. Many a time it has ended up in BJ (most common) , Half insertion, full sex.
Some V tag girls are very cute and I enjoy the company even if nothing happens in the bedroom. To start with I barfined them knowing there will be no sex. If anything happens it is a bonus.
None have run away in the middle of night. All have stayed till morning, sometimes whole next day.
In AC, it is easy to get sex. If that is what you want every day stay away from Cherry girls.I still remember sweet memory of a cherry girl from Lancelot back in 2008.
I have no intention to bf cherry girls for barhopping or for the hope of getting a bonus experience.
But sometimes I just buy a cherry girl drinks to chat in the bar. I do this usually only after I was pussy overloaded.
There was one good looking 19 years old cherry girl whom I really liked in Lancelot, so time to time I offered her a few drinks just to enjoy sitting next to her.
One day when I came back to Angeles in a few month, I run into her in SM and found out tha she just lost her cherry and claimed that she had a sex with one guy only time.
Well, then something unexpected happened: she offerred me to stay with me for free as long as I wanted during my stay. She would tell the bar (and she did!) that she would be going back to her province. Of course I took that opportunity. I asked her why she is doing this to me? She simply answered that I was very nice with her during my several LD visits to her in the bar. She stayed with me about 2 weeks until I left Philippines. I banged her at least every night and morning. Not to mention, she did not know how to please men in the bed but to my surprise she was quite submissive and full of curiosity and took all my requests in the bed. I guess she became mature enough to please men in the bed after 2 weeks of intensive training sessions with me. I had incredibly pleasure time with her. Nothing I can complain. Extra thing I especially liked is that considering the length of time we spent together, she never bothered me by talking about her money problem, buying her some gfits and so on. I actually did not spend money on anything other than expense on foods, movies, etc. She seemed to be pretty OK with it.
This was indeed one of my sweetest memories in my mongering career.
Afterwards: We did keep in touch only for a while after I left, then I did not have a chance to visit AC for about next 8 months. When I visited AC again, I went to Lancelot to see if she was still there, but she was not there, Her friend in the bar told me that an old Korean guy who lives and owns some business in Philippine steady-barfiend her.
The SMILE people are good for all kinds of things. I've had a crown done there and the cute dentist actually gave me a ride back to my hotel (back when they had a remote location). Their prices have risen as they have become more sucessful, and since they moved out of the Christian hospital. The problem is they continue to employ an idiot as web designer. I can't find any way to copy and paste HERE the contact into. Search for Harry the Horse in Angeles and you should find their link.
Anyone know a good dentist in Angeles, will be there next month and want to have my teeth whitened.
Thank you.
Susu Lover
08-08-11, 05:09
Fellow swine and pimps (I'm sure your not insulted) ,
I heart Pattaya, really its the shiznit. I prefer it partly to the shopping. Yes, shopping for tangible goods, however if you take a picture, then a barfine can be tangible or tangible wrestling in the loom. So, here is my point. I like knock-off Polo and Lacoste, I buy them in LoS but I just can't find them in Angeles. Anyone have any experience? Nepo Mall? Apu? I just don't know where to look.
The women of Angeles are incredible, I know nothing lasts forever, but I just hope AC stays this way for another 15 years. People can complain about it now, but the girls just give GFE and if properly trained, can give PSE.
Much Luv,
Susu
Chocha Monger
08-08-11, 18:04
I saw this guy making the rounds in Angeles City taking all the hottest girls out of the bars and pissing off all the mongers on a budget.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFDUOfRXP_k
Engine Driver
08-08-11, 18:05
There a many reports already on how to get to AC and Stickman's info page on Fields Avenue is excellent. So that newbies don't have to scroll through hundreds of pages, here is a quick summary. There are three ways to get to AC:
1. Fly directly into to Clark International Airport on one of the budget airlines from Singapore, Taipei, Cataclan or KL.
2. Take a taxi from Ninoy Aquino International Airport to AC. The driver will ask for 2500 pesos, but you should be able to negotiate it to 2000 pesos. This is a quick, simple solution and will take between 1. 5 to 2. 0 hours depending on how soon the driver can clear Manila traffic before getting onto the NL Express Way. He will deliver you to the hotel door.
3. A cheaper but more cumbersome way is to take a provincial bus which either stops at Dau Bus Station or Marquee Mall near Angeles City. From Ninoy Aquino, go straight up to the departures area and get a metered taxi to the Victory Bus Terminal in Pasay. Make sure you get the driver to turn the meter on. Fare to Pasay will be no more than 150 pesos. Make sure you don't get a taxi from the arrivals area taxi stand using the voucher system. The driver won't turn his meter on and will claim the minimum fare is 300 pesos. At Victory's Pasay bus station, go to the counter and buy a ticket for the bus which is heading to either Dagupan or Baguio. One will stop at Dau Terminal and the other at Marquee Mall. Both are ok. The fare will 147 pesos. Buses leave every hour. From Marquee Mall, the trike to AC will cost about 150 pesos and from Dau about 100 pesos. If you have the time, I'd recommend the bus as you will be immersed in Filipino life quickly. All up cost will be around 400-450 pesos. Various other bus companies also stop at Dau, including Rabbit, but I don't know their schedules. Victory Liner has an excellent web site and their staff are very helpful (even if they know the reason why you're going to AC!)
There a many reports already on how to get to AC and Stickman's info page on Fields Avenue is excellent. So that newbies don't have to scroll through hundreds of pages, here is a quick summary. There are three ways to get to AC:
1. Fly directly into to Clark International Airport on one of the budget airlines from Singapore, Taipei, Cataclan or KL. Then take a trike for 150 pesos to any hotel in AC.The first point is incorrect in that trikes are not allowed on DMIA property. Only taxis, hotel cars and the official shuttle service can pick you up at the door. Jeepneys are available a short walk away. Stickman might want to stick to LOS! :o
Someone was looking for dentist. I finally dug up the URL.
http://smilemakeoverdental.net/
Cyber Whip
08-09-11, 23:10
There a many reports already on how to get to AC and Stickman's info page on Fields Avenue is excellent. So that newbies don't have to scroll through hundreds of pages, here is a quick summary. There are three ways to get to AC:
1. Fly directly into to Clark International Airport on one of the budget airlines from Singapore, Taipei, Cataclan or KL.
2. Take a taxi from Ninoy Aquino International Airport to AC. The driver will ask for 2500 pesos, but you should be able to negotiate it to 2000 pesos. This is a quick, simple solution and will take between 1. 5 to 2. 0 hours depending on how soon the driver can clear Manila traffic before getting onto the NL Express Way. He will deliver you to the hotel door.
3. A cheaper but more cumbersome way is to take a provincial bus which either stops at Dau Bus Station or Marquee Mall near Angeles City. From Ninoy Aquino, go straight up to the departures area and get a metered taxi to the Victory Bus Terminal in Pasay. Make sure you get the driver to turn the meter on. Fare to Pasay will be no more than 150 pesos. Make sure you don't get a taxi from the arrivals area taxi stand using the voucher system. The driver won't turn his meter on and will claim the minimum fare is 300 pesos. At Victory's Pasay bus station, go to the counter and buy a ticket for the bus which is heading to either Dagupan or Baguio. One will stop at Dau Terminal and the other at Marquee Mall. Both are ok. The fare will 147 pesos. Buses leave every hour. From Marquee Mall, the trike to AC will cost about 150 pesos and from Dau about 100 pesos. If you have the time, I'd recommend the bus as you will be immersed in Filipino life quickly. All up cost will be around 400-450 pesos. Various other bus companies also stop at Dau, including Rabbit, but I don't know their schedules. Victory Liner has an excellent web site and their staff are very helpful (even if they know the reason why you're going to AC!) On point #2:
Some of the hotels can arrange a pickup service in manila for you. I know Pacific Breeze charges 2500p one way, for a car and 3200p (I think) for a van. I know it's a little more expensive but you can charge it to your room and pay with credit card that way, and you're not out any cash. The car is pretty nice so you don't have to worry about getting a clunker taxi. If you have several people (and luggage) then the van is more cost effective than multiple taxis.
Its so funny (not) when we have wonderful memories of a cute and hot girl, we issue the standard sweeet words etc, then she arrives and we think OMG YOU CHANGED! . who WAS the sexiest girl I ever knew when she was 44kgs. and is now down to 37 kgs. LOLFF:
Well, in this case it is really no big problem! The trouble starts when she is up to 80 kgs, or am I wrong? .
Cheers!
Hesekiels
Capt Munch
08-10-11, 05:12
Someone was looking for dentist. I finally dug up the URL.
http://smilemakeoverdental.net/Just a quick note: I was in AC last week for some dental work and had it done at SmileMakeOver. I have used them a number of times over the last several years. (cleaning and fillings) Their facilities are nice and certainly modern (by Philippine standards and I would say compared to most USA dental offices.)
They offer quite a range of services. I believe that a previous poster was looking for "Whitening" which is offered, though by my best quess, the pricing is similar to USA at $ 500 to $ 600. That said, the other services are affordable. The only caveat would be that they do employ some young dentists that may not have a wealth of experience.
While I was there, another gentleman in the next room (they have several examination rooms) was getting an implant and I believe that there was even a medical doctor present.
They seem to have a knowledgeable staff and certainly are intent on providing a good service. I will be back in the near future for a bridge that will be a fraction of the US cost.
No PM capability. My apologies
Their prices are high by Filipino standards, but that is because they are good. I would expecially recommend them if you have compicated procedures. If you have a short stay you should make an appointment before you arrive and confirm that all procedures can be completed before your departure. I reallize this has gone way beyond the guy who asked for teeth whitening. Sorry. They used to be way out of the way at some god forsakedn hospital, umm, a christian hospital, but they have moved to a location that serves us and them better.
Just a quick note: I was in AC last week for some dental work and had it done at SmileMakeOver. I have used them a number of times over the last several years. (cleaning and fillings) Their facilities are nice and certainly modern (by Philippine standards and I would say compared to most USA dental offices.)
They offer quite a range of services. I believe that a previous poster was looking for "Whitening" which is offered, though by my best quess, the pricing is similar to USA at $ 500 to $ 600. That said, the other services are affordable. The only caveat would be that they do employ some young dentists that may not have a wealth of experience.
While I was there, another gentleman in the next room (they have several examination rooms) was getting an implant and I believe that there was even a medical doctor present.
They seem to have a knowledgeable staff and certainly are intent on providing a good service. I will be back in the near future for a bridge that will be a fraction of the US cost.
No PM capability. My apologies
Engine Driver
08-11-11, 02:02
If you plan to get some action anywhere in the Philippines, make sure to bring the following items with you, otherwise your vacation will be ruined:
1. Condoms. The condoms you get in PI are made in various parts of Asia (Malaysia, Indonesia or Japan) and are just a bit too small for western size cocks. Nothing kills your erection faster than a too tight condom. Please pack an extra box or two of your favourite condoms from home and you'll have a great time.
2. KY Jelly. In the rare chance you pick up a bar girl who is both new and hasn't had a baby, her pussy will be tight. To make entry easier, suggest you bring a tube of KY Jelly. You might or might not be able to get this in Angeles as I didn't check.
3. Listerene Mouth Wash. I have seen this for sale at Mercury Drug in Manila, but didn't see it anywhere in Angeles. Useful to get rid of the pussy taste when you go back to the bar to pick up girl #2 for the evening. Be vigilant so that the bar girl doesn't swipe your Listerene as she cleans out the rest of the hotel cosmetics when she is in the shower post coitus!
4. Viagra. The minute you arrive in Angeles, you will be harassed in the street by people trying to sell you fake Cialis, Viagra and a Chinese 'herbal' drug called Maximum Power. My advice is that you stay away from these as there is no way of knowing what is actually in them. You definitely don't want to mess with the blood flow to your cock with fake drugs. For those over 40 years of age, don't over estimate your staying power. Banging 15 chicks in 10 days is not as easy as it once was. By the end of your week long stay in Angeles, you WILL definitely need a dose of Vitamin V. Bring it from home. One of the pharmacies in Angeles does sell a generic, Filipino version of Viagra without prescription for 270 pesos (50 mg) or 350 pesos (100 mg). Once again, you can never be sure what's in it.
Take care and have fun.
Before we put the poor street sellers out of business, I'd like to add that the knock off vitamins do work. Don't pay more than 200 pesos per box of four. My guess is that the stuff is coming from India. Some of the bars might sell some to you as well, and they look exactly like what the street sellers are selling.
X.
If you plan to get some action anywhere in the Philippines, make sure to bring the following items with you, otherwise your vacation will be ruined:
4. Viagra. The minute you arrive in Angeles, you will be harassed in the street by people trying to sell you fake Cialis, Viagra and a Chinese 'herbal' drug called Maximum Power. My advice is that you stay away from these as there is no way of knowing what is actually in them. You definitely don't want to mess with the blood flow to your cock with fake drugs. For those over 40 years of age, don't over estimate your staying power. Banging 15 chicks in 10 days is not as easy as it once was. By the end of your week long stay in Angeles, you WILL definitely need a dose of Vitamin V. Bring it from home. One of the pharmacies in Angeles does sell a generic, Filipino version of Viagra without prescription for 270 pesos (50 mg) or 350 pesos (100 mg). Once again, you can never be sure what's in it.
Take care and have fun.
Chocha Monger
08-11-11, 13:29
If you plan to get some action anywhere in the Philippines, make sure to bring the following items with you, otherwise your vacation will be ruined:
1. Condoms. The condoms you get in PI are made in various parts of Asia (Malaysia, Indonesia or Japan) and are just a bit too small for western size cocks. Nothing kills your erection faster than a too tight condom. Please pack an extra box or two of your favourite condoms from home and you'll have a great time.
2. KY Jelly. In the rare chance you pick up a bar girl who is both new and hasn't had a baby, her pussy will be tight. To make entry easier, suggest you bring a tube of KY Jelly. You might or might not be able to get this in Angeles as I didn't check.
3. Listerene Mouth Wash. I have seen this for sale at Mercury Drug in Manila, but didn't see it anywhere in Angeles. Useful to get rid of the pussy taste when you go back to the bar to pick up girl #2 for the evening. Be vigilant so that the bar girl doesn't swipe your Listerene as she cleans out the rest of the hotel cosmetics when she is in the shower post coitus!
4. Viagra. The minute you arrive in Angeles, you will be harassed in the street by people trying to sell you fake Cialis, Viagra and a Chinese 'herbal' drug called Maximum Power. My advice is that you stay away from these as there is no way of knowing what is actually in them. You definitely don't want to mess with the blood flow to your cock with fake drugs. For those over 40 years of age, don't over estimate your staying power. Banging 15 chicks in 10 days is not as easy as it once was. By the end of your week long stay in Angeles, you WILL definitely need a dose of Vitamin V. Bring it from home. One of the pharmacies in Angeles does sell a generic, Filipino version of Viagra without prescription for 270 pesos (50 mg) or 350 pesos (100 mg). Once again, you can never be sure what's in it.
Take care and have fun.Remember that bareback is the standard in Angeles City so if you will be eating bar girl pussy there is a good chance that the taste in your mouth is actually the remnants of one those huge pearl ropes that were shot into her hole to make her wail by a fellow monger. You might want to bring along a full course of antibiotics and antiviral medication. Like the street Viagra there is no telling who or what was in her pussy, and is probably still there awaiting your loving licks.
Remember that bareback is the standard in Angeles City so if you will be eating bar girl pussy there is a good chance that the taste in your mouth is actually the remnants of one those huge pearl ropes that were shot into her hole to make her wail by a fellow monger.LOL. He didn't manage to find any Listerine in AC, so chances are he missed the pearl ropes as well. Personally I strive to reserve my DATY for a tad less aromatic dishes.
If you plan to get some action anywhere in the Philippines, make sure to bring the following items with you, otherwise your vacation will be ruined:
1. Condoms. The condoms you get in PI are made in various parts of Asia (Malaysia, Indonesia or Japan) and are just a bit too small for western size cocks. Nothing kills your erection faster than a too tight condom. Please pack an extra box or two of your favourite condoms from home and you'll have a great time.
2. KY Jelly. In the rare chance you pick up a bar girl who is both new and hasn't had a baby, her pussy will be tight. To make entry easier, suggest you bring a tube of KY Jelly. You might or might not be able to get this in Angeles as I didn't check.
3. Listerene Mouth Wash. I have seen this for sale at Mercury Drug in Manila, but didn't see it anywhere in Angeles. Useful to get rid of the pussy taste when you go back to the bar to pick up girl #2 for the evening. Be vigilant so that the bar girl doesn't swipe your Listerene as she cleans out the rest of the hotel cosmetics when she is in the shower post coitus!
4. Viagra. The minute you arrive in Angeles, you will be harassed in the street by people trying to sell you fake Cialis, Viagra and a Chinese 'herbal' drug called Maximum Power. My advice is that you stay away from these as there is no way of knowing what is actually in them. You definitely don't want to mess with the blood flow to your cock with fake drugs. For those over 40 years of age, don't over estimate your staying power. Banging 15 chicks in 10 days is not as easy as it once was. By the end of your week long stay in Angeles, you WILL definitely need a dose of Vitamin V. Bring it from home. One of the pharmacies in Angeles does sell a generic, Filipino version of Viagra without prescription for 270 pesos (50 mg) or 350 pesos (100 mg). Once again, you can never be sure what's in it.
Take care and have fun.1. True. Once I tried a condom from the room in China (they usually keep lots of sex AIDS there ). It was so tight and my dick was hurting.
2. Ky jeely or other lubricating aids are necessary if you enjoy young girls. Some pussies are so tight.
3. Listerine mouth wash is good but I would not suggest DATY on working girls.
4. There are many Viagra knock off from India which does the trick. Only problem is if it says 100 mg it may not be.
Once I bought a pack of four 100 mg tablets in Cambodia for $1.
I went back next day and they were asking for $2. Maybe the girl made a mistake on the first day.
Member #4244
08-11-11, 19:41
Remember that bareback is the standard in Angeles City so if you will be eating bar girl pussy there is a good chance that the taste in your mouth is actually the remnants of one those huge pearl ropes that were shot into her hole to make her wail by a fellow monger. You might want to bring along a full course of antibiotics and antiviral medication. Like the street Viagra there is no telling who or what was in her pussy, and is probably still there awaiting your loving licks.Sorry to be naive but is this true? The girls generally are not pushy about wearing condoms?
There is bus service from the Southern Cross Hotel in Manila, but driver let me off right in front of the Central Park Hotel. I think the bus was about 250p.
There a many reports already on how to get to AC and Stickman's info page on Fields Avenue is excellent. So that newbies don't have to scroll through hundreds of pages, here is a quick summary. There are three ways to get to AC:
1. Fly directly into to Clark International Airport on one of the budget airlines from Singapore, Taipei, Cataclan or KL.
2. Take a taxi from Ninoy Aquino International Airport to AC. The driver will ask for 2500 pesos, but you should be able to negotiate it to 2000 pesos. This is a quick, simple solution and will take between 1. 5 to 2. 0 hours depending on how soon the driver can clear Manila traffic before getting onto the NL Express Way. He will deliver you to the hotel door.
3. A cheaper but more cumbersome way is to take a provincial bus which either stops at Dau Bus Station or Marquee Mall near Angeles City. From Ninoy Aquino, go straight up to the departures area and get a metered taxi to the Victory Bus Terminal in Pasay. Make sure you get the driver to turn the meter on. Fare to Pasay will be no more than 150 pesos. Make sure you don't get a taxi from the arrivals area taxi stand using the voucher system. The driver won't turn his meter on and will claim the minimum fare is 300 pesos. At Victory's Pasay bus station, go to the counter and buy a ticket for the bus which is heading to either Dagupan or Baguio. One will stop at Dau Terminal and the other at Marquee Mall. Both are ok. The fare will 147 pesos. Buses leave every hour. From Marquee Mall, the trike to AC will cost about 150 pesos and from Dau about 100 pesos. If you have the time, I'd recommend the bus as you will be immersed in Filipino life quickly. All up cost will be around 400-450 pesos. Various other bus companies also stop at Dau, including Rabbit, but I don't know their schedules. Victory Liner has an excellent web site and their staff are very helpful (even if they know the reason why you're going to AC!)
Chocha Monger
08-11-11, 20:05
Sorry to be naive but is this true? The girls generally are not pushy about wearing condoms?Yes. It's the truth. Of course, if you decide to bareback that's your personal choice based on your individual tolerance for risk.
There is bus service from the Southern Cross Hotel in Manila, but driver let me off right in front of the Central Park Hotel. I think the bus was about 250p.From Southern Cross Hotel, around P600. Very limited service, possible only one bus per day each way. Some say 'better buses' but marginally so. Couple of hundred metres away at Swagman Hotel, more buses per day giving you more flexibility, and P600. Nice restaurant / bar whilst you wait for bus too. Google it, all info there.
Engine Driver
08-12-11, 08:06
i'm not a subscriber to dia and hence didn't have any dates set up with non-working girls on my recent mongering trip. however, an excellent gfe can be had with the numerous hairdressers, beauticians and masseuses working within the angeles area. now these girls are not working girls per se and consider themselves several notches above bar girls. despite this, they still have low social status in the philippines and correspondingly low wages. most of them welcome the opportunity to meet foreign men, to be taken on a date, a shopping trip or out for a nice meal somewhere. their objective is to find a husband who will support them, their child, their parents, and if they happen to be taken to the us, australia or uk, then that is fine too.
i met a lovely masseuse at ambrossyia massage (check spelling) – they have four kiosks on fields avenue. standard massage was 300 pesos and strictly no happy ending. during the massage, this lady told me if i liked the massage, i could extend it for an hour or could even hire her for the whole day tomorrow for 1, 500 pesos. she then said i didn't really need to be massaged for 12 hours straight in my room and that she would be happy to accompany me to the mall or have lunch somewhere. with an invitation like that i agreed to pick her up at the kiosk the next day at 11. 00am.
at the 11. 00am the next day, i picked her up and she looked stunning in her civilian clothes (out of the white masseuse's uniform). i then paid the owner the 1, 500 early work release money and off we went to the lewis for a massage. she massaged me for an hour and then i showered and off to marquee mall we went. the trike to marquee is 150 pesos, compared to 300 pesos for the lewis hotel car. i chose the air-conditioned car since it was so goddamn hot.
at this point, we didn't discuss sex at all, but i quickly understood the unwritten deal that was taking place. i take her out shopping, then lunch and we then return to the hotel in the afternoon for sex.
at the mall she bought some jeans, a top and some underwear for about 2, 000 pesos. i paid all the bills. it was a typical experience you would have with your wife or girlfriend back home. she tried on various outfits and i waited near the change rooms giving her the thumbs up. i couldn't wait to get out of that department store. throughout the mall excursion, she kept holding my hand and pecking me on the cheek. it was kinda sweet. when we sat down for lunch at one of the bbq restaurants, her entire life story came out. seven kids in the family, father died young, mom supported them all, only elementary school education, has a nine-year kid at home, abandoned by filipino boyfriend after she became pregnant, dumped by westerner a few years ago, wants to get married, blah blah blah. i think i have heard about 200 versions of this same basic story. essentially, i've struggled all my life so please consider helping me.
after lunch we went back to lewis and she tried on all her clothes. she was hot. we then had passionate sex – no bj, but daty, dfk and nice doggy style sex. she was actually much nicer, hotter and better in bed than most of the bar girls.
we finished at 5. 00pm and technically she should have stayed till 11. 00pm, but i let her go home early. i just needed a break, and i'd already decided i was going to bar fine a cute new waitress at pony tail that evening.
in summary, i really enjoyed this gfe in angeles. the babe was a star in bed, she spoke reasonable english, had the mental maturity and it gave me time out from the bar girls. all up cost for the ewr and gifts was 3, 500 pesos plus lunch and transport. it is comparable to a bar fine plus tip for the girl, lady drink and numerous smls for me. the distinction here is that this was a real gfe with a non-working girl. i'm sure this lady and her work colleagues have done this many times before. they don't ask or expect money as that would be prostitution, but a day off work on full pay, some nice gifts and a meal is appreciated.
we exchanged emails, promising to keep in touch, but i think i am over it. if anyone is interested in meeting this lovely, smoking hot lady for a date, extended friendship or marriage, please pm me and i'll give you her name. you can easily track her down at one of the angeles massage kiosks.
the next day when i went to sm mall across the perimeter for a facial, the therapist tried to chat me up. by now my libido was running low and i was heading off to manila, so didn't feel inclined to take up the invitation. it just showed how easy it is to get laid and you can succeed even without dia homework.
FreebieFan
08-12-11, 09:26
If you plan to get some action anywhere in the Philippines, make sure to bring the following items with you, otherwise your vacation will be ruined:
1. Condoms.
2. KY Jelly.
3. Listerene Mouth Wash.
4. Viagra. Take care and have fun.I think your list is good but it missing the fact that taking a battery operated toy can be great fun too. Many girls have never seen one and most have a child like sense of curiousity (you do what with it? It goes where? Oh shit that feels gooooood!")
It can be a grat way to really get a girl in the mood as some can almost have non stop orgasms with the right toy. Of course give a man a penis shaped toy and first it will go in the puss, then a a guy will try to insert it in the ass. Toys are also good for helping that orifice be ready to recieve LOL
LOL. He didn't manage to find any Listerine in AC, so chances are he missed the pearl ropes as well. Personally I strive to reserve my DATY for a tad less aromatic dishes.Maybe he should his Listerine as a douche. Then both have a clean taste.
Slim
nice report. i would have bonked her immediately and then taken her shopping, she massaged you in your room? you did pay the ewr. but is sounds like you had a good time.
snip. she would be happy to accompany me to the mall or have lunch somewhere. with an invitation like that i agreed to pick her up at the kiosk the next day at 11. 00am.
at the 11. 00am the next day, i picked her up and she looked stunning in her civilian clothes (out of the white masseuse's uniform). i then paid the owner the 1, 500 early work release money and off we went to the lewis for a massage. she massaged me for an hour and then i showered and off to marquee mall we went. the trike to marquee is 150 pesos, compared to 300 pesos for the lewis hotel car. i chose the air-conditioned car since it was so goddamn hot.
at this point, we didn't discuss sex at all, but i quickly understood the unwritten deal that was taking place. i take her out shopping, then lunch and we then return to the hotel in the afternoon for sex.
at the mall she bought some jeans, a top and some underwear for about 2, 000 pesos. i paid all the bills. it was a typical experience you would have with your wife or girlfriend back home. she tried on various outfits and i waited near the change rooms giving her the thumbs up. i couldn't wait to get out of that department store. throughout the mall excursion, she kept holding my hand and pecking me on the cheek. it was kinda sweet. when we sat down for lunch at one of the bbq restaurants, her entire life story came out. seven kids in the family, father died young, mom supported them all, only elementary school education, has a nine-year kid at home, abandoned by filipino boyfriend after she became pregnant, dumped by westerner a few years ago, wants to get married, blah blah blah. i think i have heard about 200 versions of this same basic story. essentially, i've struggled all my life so please consider helping me.
after lunch we went back to lewis and she tried on all her clothes. she was hot. we then had passionate sex – no bj, but daty, dfk and nice doggy style sex. she was actually much nicer, hotter and better in bed than most of the bar girls.
we finished at 5. 00pm and technically she should have stayed till 11. 00pm, but i let her go home early. i just needed a break, and i'd already decided i was going to bar fine a cute new waitress at pony tail that evening.
in summary, i really enjoyed this gfe in angeles. the babe was a star in bed, she spoke reasonable english, had the mental maturity and it gave me time out from the bar girls. all up cost for the ewr and gifts was 3, 500 pesos plus lunch and transport. it is comparable to a bar fine plus tip for the girl, lady drink and numerous smls for me. the distinction here is that this was a real gfe with a non-working girl. i'm sure this lady and her work colleagues have done this many times before. they don't ask or expect money as that would be prostitution, but a day off work on full pay, some nice gifts and a meal is appreciated.
we exchanged emails, promising to keep in touch, but i think i am over it. if anyone is interested in meeting this lovely, smoking hot lady for a date, extended friendship or marriage, please pm me and i'll give you her name. you can easily track her down at one of the angeles massage kiosks.
the next day when i went to sm mall across the perimeter for a facial, the therapist tried to chat me up. by now my libido was running low and i was heading off to manila, so didn't feel inclined to take up the invitation. it just showed how easy it is to get laid and you can succeed even without dia homework.
i'm not a subscriber to dia and hence didn't have any dates set up with non-working girls on my recent mongering trip. however, an excellent gfe can be had with the numerous hairdressers, beauticians and masseuses working within the angeles area. now these girls are not working girls per se and consider themselves several notches above bar girls. despite this, they still have low social status in the philippines and correspondingly low wages. most of them welcome the opportunity to meet foreign men, to be taken on a date, a shopping trip or out for a nice meal somewhere. their objective is to find a husband who will support them, their child, their parents, and if they happen to be taken to the us, australia or uk, then that is fine too .i have enjoyed with masseuses. just for info there is one thing called in call. it is about 800 pesos i think. they come to your room for massage for about 2 hours. you negitiate with the girl. everything is on the table. once you get to know her she will stay with you overnight when off duty. no need to pay anything like ewr.
i have gotten phone numbers from the massage girls working at the spa at the mall.
girls working in the salon can be had also. usually these are average looking and usually have a child to support. one time one young girl was doing my nails. she had nice body but buck teeth. the owner asked me if i liked the girl. when i said yes, she told me i can take her. when asked about the money she said just give the girl. only reason i did not take the girl is because she looked very young possibly **** and not pretty. ofcourse she had this shy country girl attitude.
however it is safer and better with no emotional hassles barfining bar girls.
Screaming Beaver
08-12-11, 19:24
Yes. It's the truth. Of course, if you decide to bareback that's your personal choice based on your individual tolerance for risk.Not to mention the risk of premature ejaculation resulting in a little bastard growing up to be a bar girl or Viagra salesman. However, some on this board do not consider that a risk at all and actually look forward to spreading their seed among the locals.
Chocha Monger
08-12-11, 23:08
Not to mention the risk of premature ejaculation resulting in a little bastard growing up to be a bar girl or Viagra salesman. However, some on this board do not consider that a risk at all and actually look forward to spreading their seed among the locals.Quite true! Many consider it a public service to breed the locals, thereby keeping the bars well stocked with bar girls and the streets teeming with determined Viagra salesmen. However, after watching London burn and the US debt crisis the offspring of those breeding the locals might actually have a brighter future in the two mentioned professions rather than ending up unemployed in their dear pappy's homeland.
Engine Driver
08-13-11, 02:45
She had nice body but buck teeth. The owner asked me if I liked the girl. When I said yes, she told me I can take her.I'm sure those buck teeth wrapped around my cock would look just fine!
Agree that there is too much emotional baggage with taking a non-bar girl out. I have already received a text and an email from this lady at the massage parlour. I have had to delete her phone number from my list in case my GF here at home finds it and hopefully the correspondence will stop if I keep ignoring it.
I have enjoyed with masseuses. Just for info there is one thing called in call. It is about 800 However it is safer and better with no emotional hassles barfining bar girls.It is much easier to bar fine. You pay the bar and the girl goes. Better if you don't want long term. But I still get.
Drama and complications with bar girls. But then you just walk away. Of course you can do that with any girl.
I pretty much tell them the truth no matter how and where I meet them. I am not looking to get married.
And I like variety.
S.
Not to mention the risk of premature ejaculation resulting in a little bastard growing up to be a bar girl or Viagra salesman.Could you imagine going back to AC 18-20 years later, finding a cute light skinned bar girl with a straight nose, and a 3-holer and after fucking her find out she is your daughter?
Something to think about.
Slim
Engine Driver
08-13-11, 11:20
Could you imagine going back to AC 18-20 years later, finding a cute light skinned bar girl with a straight nose, and a 3-holer and after fucking her find out she is your daughter?
Something to think about.
SlimOr could you imagine going to AC in 20 years time and bumping into a light colored Viagra salesman on Fields Avenue who bears an uncanny resemblance to you?
Nice report. I would have bonked her immediately and then taken her shopping, She massaged you in your room? You did pay the EWR. But is sounds like you had a good time.I would have done the same thing. First find out if she is going to satisfy you sexually. If not good dump her immediately. This guy did the romancing thing. I am sure the girl appreciated it.
When you pay EWR it is assumed sex is on the table. No need to romance it. The risk of romancing, shopping, eating out etc will be meaningless if she is a dud in bed.
Sorry to be naive but is this true? The girls generally are not pushy about wearing condoms?If the girl is really into you, they can get irritated / upset / insulted that you would want to use a condom.
I think the psyche around this is that they don't see themselves as working girls and that you are actually their boyfriend. Any suggestion of condom means that you are not taking any chances on future commitment or something along those lines. It must explain why the GFE is so damn good.
Don't spread your seed, use a condom, don't come inside her or use a contraceptive insert.
Engine Driver
08-14-11, 03:00
The masseuse I EWRd told me that from a 300 peso 1-hour massage she gets 50 pesos. On average, she will see about 3-4 clients a day in a 12-hour shift. She said that her chain of 4 kiosks in Angeles employs a total of 16 girls per shift, so the work must be rotated around unless the customer specifically asks for a particular girl. Most of the time the girls were just sitting around chatting, so I assume in the off season, this figure of 4 jobs per day would seem about right. She is also paid a daily salary of 200 pesos and only gets one day off per month. She mentioned that Koreans, Japanese and Malaysians almost never tipped her. Koreans in particular were very tight with their money and displayed little respect. She said that Australians, Brits and Americans were the most generous with their tips. At the first meeting I gave her a 100 peso tip and she said that was a good amount. From the 1, 500 peso EWR, she gets 250 pesos, so it's as if she has done 5 massages. If you do the math, she would make about 11, 000 pesos per month from the daily retainer and 4 massages a day. Any tips (say 7, 000 pesos per month) would then be on top of this. Add in a couple of EWRs and shopping trips a month and she is not doing too badly. Far better than most Filipinos.
A girl I picked up from MBC in Manila told me that she does body scrubs in a Makati Spa. She is paid a commission of 60 pesos per scrub and then has the opportunity to provide additional services on side (through direct negotiation) , the fee which goes directly into her pocket. While the commission is low by our standards, girls do this for the direct access to foreigners.
Engine Driver
08-14-11, 03:49
Could someone explain why the hotels in Angeles are full, yet the bars are empty? The Lewis, ABC, Swiss, Amsterdam etc are running at near 100% occupancy even in the off season. But venture into any of the perimeter or Fields bars and the girls out number customers by 10 to 1. What's going on here? I can only assume that punters are going in early, bar fining their bitches for a week and then disappearing from circulation. It could also explain the high proportion of ugly chicks remaining in the bars. An American bar manager I spoke to said that the bar business is not as profitable as it used to be and that it's a marginal business at best. Is Angeles in decline? Are the religious right and the left wing feminists finally agreeing on something - encouraging the Aquino administration to slowly shutdown the bars in return for more US aid money and alternate investment into the Clark Economic Zone? Or am I over analysing everything?
I'd welcome your views as I'm just a newbie to the PI.
Could someone explain why the hotels in Angeles are full, yet the bars are empty? The Lewis, ABC, Swiss, Amsterdam etc are running at near 100% occupancy even in the off season. But venture into any of the perimeter or Fields bars and the girls out number customers by 10 to 1. What's going on here? I can only assume that punters are going in early, bar fining their bitches for a week and then disappearing from circulation. It could also explain the high proportion of ugly chicks remaining in the bars. An American bar manager I spoke to said that the bar business is not as profitable as it used to be and that it's a marginal business at best. Is Angeles in decline? Are the religious right and the left wing feminists finally agreeing on something. Encouraging the Aquino administration to slowly shutdown the bars in return for more US aid money and alternate investment into the Clark Economic Zone? Or am I over analysing everything?
I'd welcome your views as I'm just a newbie to the PI.Bars seem busy to me. But depends on the bar. Many occupants at the hotels are doing many different things.
Like golf. Staying indoors after they get the girls. There are a lot of bars so easy to spread out.
I think there still seems to be some full bars and the girls I like are getting bar fined a lot?
Don't believe what the bar owners are telling you. But then maybe their extortion payments are going up\
And a lot of competition.
I have been here for four years but still don't pay attention to the details. But it does not seem much different to me.
Some guys just hang out at the on the street and get girls from the street?
I don't really have a complete answer to your question but just a few impressions.
Either way enjoy while you can. Nothing last forever and either age, economics or other market forces may change things.
Right now lots of good girls and that is the best thing of being here. The rain has kept me indoors for about one month.
With a few visits to the bars and subic bay?
Does anyone know of motorcycle rentals in A / C? Wanting to rent a bike while I'm there preferably a Harley. THANKS
Does anyone know of motorcycle rentals in A / C? Wanting to rent a bike while I'm there preferably a Harley. THANKSThere are many moto rentals, but I've never seen a Harley on offer. Only the scooter and at best some 400cc machines.
Cheers!
Chocha Monger
08-14-11, 13:22
Could someone explain why the hotels in Angeles are full, yet the bars are empty? The Lewis, ABC, Swiss, Amsterdam etc are running at near 100% occupancy even in the off season. But venture into any of the perimeter or Fields bars and the girls out number customers by 10 to 1. What's going on here? I can only assume that punters are going in early, bar fining their bitches for a week and then disappearing from circulation. It could also explain the high proportion of ugly chicks remaining in the bars. An American bar manager I spoke to said that the bar business is not as profitable as it used to be and that it's a marginal business at best. Is Angeles in decline? Are the religious right and the left wing feminists finally agreeing on something. Encouraging the Aquino administration to slowly shutdown the bars in return for more US aid money and alternate investment into the Clark Economic Zone? Or am I over analysing everything?
I'd welcome your views as I'm just a newbie to the PI.After the last raid captured and detained mongers they seem to have reduced their dwell time in the bars. They're no longer sitting and drinking for long periods of time before making their minds up to bar fine or not. They seem to pop in look around and leave right away if they don't see what they're looking for. If they spot a girl that they like they might invite her for a drink and a short chat then they're out the door with or without her. The only guys hanging out drinking and making conversation seem to be the resident expats. Everyone else seems to be getting straight to business and running before the PNP has a chance to burst in through the door.
Cherry2000
08-14-11, 14:04
I have a regular contact / supplier in AC that has NEVER sold me dud / fake Vitamins. He's been supplying me for years now and I trust him enough to let him deliver to my hotel room over a few SML's. He understands that he's got a good thing going with me and as long his goods are 100% he's got a regular customer. He knows that if he Fukcck's up he loses alot of sales, not just from me but from people that I've sent to him. I've given his name and details to a couple of Mongers here and all have reported back with a positive response. PM ME
They're no longer sitting and drinking for long periods of time before making their minds up to bar fine or not.Is it nowadays a crime in AC to sit in a bar and having 10 SMB?
Ooops, then I have a problem.
Chocha Monger
08-14-11, 17:39
Is it nowadays a crime in AC to sit in a bar and having 10 SMB?
Ooops, then I have a problem.It's not exactly a crime but it can be a minor inconvenience if you happened to be detained in a raid and taken to Manila so PNP can figure out if you're involved in sex trafficking, especially when it happens the night before your morning flight out.
Ruff Rider
08-14-11, 18:27
The masseuse I EWRd told me that from a 300 peso 1-hour massage she gets 50 pesos. On average, she will see about 3-4 clients a day in a 12-hour shift. She said that her chain of 4 kiosks in Angeles employs a total of 16 girls per shift, so the work must be rotated around unless the customer specifically asks for a particular girl. Most of the time the girls were just sitting around chatting, so I assume in the off season, this figure of 4 jobs per day would seem about right. She is also paid a daily salary of 200 pesos and only gets one day off per month. She mentioned that Koreans, Japanese and Malaysians almost never tipped her. Koreans in particular were very tight with their money and displayed little respect. She said that Australians, Brits and Americans were the most generous with their tips. At the first meeting I gave her a 100 peso tip and she said that was a good amount. From the 1, 500 peso EWR, she gets 250 pesos, so it's as if she has done 5 massages. If you do the math, she would make about 11, 000 pesos per month from the daily retainer and 4 massages a day. Any tips (say 7, 000 pesos per month) would then be on top of this. Add in a couple of EWRs and shopping trips a month and she is not doing too badly. Far better than most Filipinos.
A girl I picked up from MBC in Manila told me that she does body scrubs in a Makati Spa. She is paid a commission of 60 pesos per scrub and then has the opportunity to provide additional services on side (through direct negotiation) , the fee which goes directly into her pocket. While the commission is low by our standards, girls do this for the direct access to foreigners.Hear about her hand job skills than her work schedule.
Sorry to be naive but is this true? The girls generally are not pushy about wearing condoms?All the girls want condoms but some mongers are pushy in wanting bare back. They have more to worry than mongers as they have to protect their only assets. The only difference is when the girl consider you her boy friend or she is too drunk to know.
WestCoast1
08-14-11, 21:50
All the girls want condoms but some mongers are pushy in wanting bare backHave had only two AC girls insist on condoms; both times that was due to my own failure to mention bareback. 2 other girls mentioned condoms, but quickly let it go. Have had so many in AC that I can't remember them (without pics) , they rarely mention the glove.
It's not exactly a crime but it can be a minor inconvenience if you happened to be detained in a raid and taken to Manila so PNP can figure out if you're involved in sex trafficking, especially when it happens the night before your morning flight out.Excuse my ignorance, but where on this thread is discussion of mongers being arrested in bars and being taken to Manila for questioning? Was it one week ago or months ago, don't recall reading that. I don't want to be involved in that shit. Spoil my entire vacation if that happened. If a fact, means I avoid Angeles this point onwards.
Thanks for any clarification.
FreebieFan
08-15-11, 04:01
. She mentioned that Koreans, Japanese and Malaysians almost never tipped her. She said that Australians, Brits and Americans were the most generous with their tips. At the first meeting I gave her a 100 peso tip and she said that was a good amount.I would concur that Malaysians are notoriously bad / small / stingy tippers. One guy recently on the KL board wrote a Penthouse type epic about how a massage girl gave him everything, did everything for him and how it was the best sex he had ever had.
The kuripot, then added at the end of his report that because it was such a great time he gave her RM 10 / US$ 3. Says it all about the mind set.
Is Angeles in decline? Are the religious right and the left wing feminists finally agreeing on something - encouraging the Aquino administration to slowly shutdown the bars in return for more US aid money and alternate investment into the Clark Economic Zone? Or am I over analysing everything?Currently it is the low season due to the typhoons and rain but things can change fast. Many girls if even in town don't bother to go to work if the weather is bad. If business was bad the bar owners would close down or sell out. The biggest investors in the area these days are Koreans.
Excuse my ignorance, but where on this thread is discussion of mongers being arrested in bars and being taken to Manila for questioning? Was it one week ago or months ago, don't recall reading that.When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.
When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.I hear from reliable people that some regular patrons were taken in from the last raids.
Mostly harrassment and shake down for cash.
They were eventually released without charge.
The information is they were only there and accused of some made up thingm.
Yes its rare they take customers but in angeles and the pi you never know they (the police) may think they will get some benefit.
Mostly its about who they can shake down and get money. The bar owners pay for the girls to get released and then pay off so they.
Get released. Some bar owners or managers may not be released if they have immigration issues?
Or don't pay enough.
Orange Crust
08-15-11, 17:42
When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.Harry the Horseman had a narrative from a guy giving a play-by-play on being arrested in one of the raids. It was quite a read and while at the end of the next day, this guy provides an account on how he was treated. Facinating read. Don't know if it was ever copied and posted here.
Just don't see the bargain here. Did a lot of research and found that you can have your teeth laser whitened in US for same amount.
Just a quick note: I was in AC last week for some dental work and had it done at SmileMakeOver. I have used them a number of times over the last several years. (cleaning and fillings) Their facilities are nice and certainly modern (by Philippine standards and I would say compared to most USA dental offices.)
They offer quite a range of services. I believe that a previous poster was looking for "Whitening" which is offered, though by my best quess, the pricing is similar to USA at $ 500 to $ 600. That said, the other services are affordable. The only caveat would be that they do employ some young dentists that may not have a wealth of experience.
While I was there, another gentleman in the next room (they have several examination rooms) was getting an implant and I believe that there was even a medical doctor present.
They seem to have a knowledgeable staff and certainly are intent on providing a good service. I will be back in the near future for a bridge that will be a fraction of the US cost.
No PM capability. My apologies
ManonsanBoy
08-16-11, 11:08
Simple really; you want to monger on the cheap, you take the risks. The Philippines is a mess in almost every aspect. The people are not the issue. It is the Church and the 7 families.
Chocha Monger
08-16-11, 11:56
Simple really; you want to monger on the cheap, you take the risks. The Philippines is a mess in almost every aspect. The people are not the issue. It is the Church and the 7 families.I would add that for foreign men the Philippines can be a deadly trap baited with kunt.
When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.If thew raid happens when you are in a bar, just walk out. Do not wait around to see what happens. It is not your concern.
Any kind of remarks or talking will get you in trouble. Do not be a knight in shining armor if you see a girl manhandled by the police.
Not from the article I read in Harry the Horse's Column:
http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=3529
When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.
What are some of your opinions regarding buying a motorbike while living in good old Angeles city? The reason I ask is because USA has such a dam high death rate with motorbikes and injuries and I can't imagine it being any better in Angeles and probably a hella lot worse. Add into the mix the high temptation to go out drinking then wanting to drive after and I think it might be less of a good idea. However I'm paying roughly 100 to 150 peso per trip so assuming I am paying 300 peso per day for a taxi and I buy a bike for 50, 000 peso thats only 166 days until break even point.
I of course understand that's a bit simplistic since you have to consider possible shake downs, insurance, maintenance and gas but its a rough model, thoughts?
What are some of your opinions regarding buying a motorbike while living in good old Angeles city?Great question. I'd like to hear the answer of the residents as well. So far I ride a big bike in Malaysia and Singapore without problems. And I've rented scooters in Phuket, Pattaya and Phnom Penh, also without hassles. But not yet in the Philippines.
Is it pretty much okay or an everyday suicide attempt?
What are some of your opinions regarding buying a motorbike while living in good old Angeles city...
...I of course understand that's a bit simplistic since you have to consider possible shake downs, insurance, maintenance and gas but its a rough model, thoughts?
I am a Singaporean expat living and working in Vietnam, where I own and operate a motorbike for personal use only. Ie I don't commute to and from work on it. Neither will I ride it outside Ho Chi Minh City boundaries. I am a regular traveller to the PI, and have rented motorbikes in Boracay. Here's my 2 pesos:
If you live full time in AC and consider only the fact that by your estimate, it would take 6 months to 'break even', then by all means, get it. However, here's the big 'but' in the equation: understand that ultimately, you are taking a risk whenever you get on that bike, by riding in a country with poor road infrastructure, amongst locals who do not regard road rules as you do, especially with regards to drinking and driving / riding.
Look into insurance, before you decide. A 'western' type insurance policy such as that you would expect in the US, would likely not be available, as the big companies would not want to underwrite the risk. You're probably looking at a more 'local' plan with small premiums and peanut payouts because of the high risk. Anyway, It's all based on statistics, right? ie the number of fatalities involving motorbikes, probability of claim, etc.
If that doesn't put you off getting a bike then do so, but remember to abide by a few simple rules as I do here in VN: if you're planning on barhopping, leave the bike at home. No riding on the NLEX or SLEX, ie not beyond AC boundaries and certainly no road trips to Manila. Lastly, consider getting a used bike, less than 2 yrs old is fine.
Good luck!
If your life is worth more then $8 a day then you have your answer. Drinking and motorbikes plus AC roads, crazy locals, crazier cops all adds up but bottom line is you are spending less then EIGHT dollars a DAY! By the way if you leave there I am sure you can have some sort of service if half that if you are a regular how big is AC anyway LOL.
What are some of your opinions regarding buying a motorbike while living in good old Angeles city? The reason I ask is because USA has such a dam high death rate with motorbikes and injuries and I can't imagine it being any better in Angeles and probably a hella lot worse. Add into the mix the high temptation to go out drinking then wanting to drive after and I think it might be less of a good idea. However I'm paying roughly 100 to 150 peso per trip so assuming I am paying 300 peso per day for a taxi and I buy a bike for 50, 000 peso thats only 166 days until break even point.
I of course understand that's a bit simplistic since you have to consider possible shake downs, insurance, maintenance and gas but its a rough model, thoughts?
I want an honest opinion of which is a better place to monger for a few days. I heard great things about Angles city and Thailand. The only factor right now is, Thailand is more expensive to travel to or me then Philippines? Which is a better mongering scene and which gives you more bang for your buck?
ManonsanBoy
08-17-11, 15:11
I want an honest opinion of which is a better place to monger for a few days. I heard great things about Angles city and Thailand. The only factor right now is, Thailand is more expensive to travel to or me then Philippines? Which is a better mongering scene and which gives you more bang for your buck?Philippines without a doubt. More bang, less buck, better communication.
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