Angeles City

[Chocha Monger]

I think we all know WHY there was a raid. WHERE was the raid?Las Vegas bar.

[Robbaf]

Las Vegas bar.Las Vegas? Stampede was raided two days ago, but that is the only one I know of.

Robb

[Dirkdiggler69]

Good for you. I think a good idea to at least let them know about it. Like Chicken soup."IT COULDN'T HURT" to let them know even if the truth probably is somewhere in between. I've had girls leave early and I avoid arguments, confrontations and also TIPS! It sometimes reminds me I didn't do a good job screening the girl. The guy may have been very stupid but what pissed me off about the original post was that the police got involved which I hate to see barring physical abuse.

I also agree to let people know about it. One reason I'm on this forum is to stay informed. I've already told most of my friends and they ALL appreciate the information. Nobody here knows the truth but we all know SOMETHING HAPPENED! And if anyone decides to continue to frequent Geckos they can, at the very least, use a little more discretion and caution.Hahaha this might be my first post. Funny to think what brings it out after all this time. Geckos has been dodgy for years, before I ever started going there. Doesn't anybody remember baby Jane? Baby Jane Marcos is still around. Heard nothing of her for a few years and now I see her starting to show up on a few Facebook pages, she is friends with geckos girls who are definitely after her time, so maybe she is back?

Stay away from geckos, not bcos of this incident, but bcos they have a history of ripping people off. At some point they had the hottest girls around and cheap fields barfines and they could treat their customers like crap. Hopefully now it will die and re-emerge in a better form.

Whoever said that 1 in 1000 Angeles monger read ISG is probably right, however those ISG readers would spend alot more time in AC then non readers and if you just mention police and geckos in passing conversations you have with guys you meet, that will be enough. Nobody wants to deal with third world police. For anything, anytime, anywhere, if they can help it.

Probably should have written something else for a first post. Sorry guys.

[Irony Monger]

Ok, strange question, but does anyone know if you can buy fresh strawberries in Angeles? At SM maybe?

Suffice to say, strawberries, eaten right, are the world's sexiest fruit ;)

[Gangles]

Then replace Hyundai with Tata (India). It's the same crap.Hyundai have set themselves a target of surpassing Toyota for reliability and quality of their vehicles.

I think they are well on the way to achieve their target.

G

[Brymor]

G I tried to reply to your PM but your mailbox is full. You need to dig out the broom and do some cleaning.


Hyundai have set themselves a target of surpassing Toyota for reliability and quality of their vehicles.

I think they are well on the way to achieve their target.

G

[Cherry2000]

Ok, strange question, but does anyone know if you can buy fresh strawberries in Angeles? At SM maybe?

Suffice to say, strawberries, eaten right, are the world's sexiest fruit.I think that its only fair to say that Cherry Girls have the sweetest and nicest little cherries ready to be Ummmm, Oh great, now I'm hungry.

[Biz99]

This is why I find it silly for people to complain about AC being unaffordable or how Koreans are overpaying. There's unimaginably far more girls than demanded. 80-90% of girls can't get away with charging P2000+. You have an endless supply of girls for under P1500.

People are really just complaining on why they can't get highest quality girls on a shoestring budget. It's like me complaining why I can't buy a Ferrari for the price of a Hyundai when there are plenty of Hyundais to choose from.

If you want the best top notch girls, PAY UP! No patron has immunity from the laws of supply and demand.The Koreans are putting pressure on prices as they tip bigger and buy more DLD, but the biggest change is that they want a quick fuck and then fuck off. The biggest impact is the change to a short time town from a long time town. Thailand used to be almost 100 percent long time, and now is probably 10 percent LT, or some number near that.

In the future, we will be complaining that what was a long time heaven (for those who wanted that option) is now a short time knock at the hotel.

[Gangles]

Mortman, thanks for your advice. The broom has been appropriately applied.

G


G I tried to reply to your PM but your mailbox is full. You need to dig out the broom and do some cleaning.

[Fast Eddie 48]

The Koreans are putting pressure on prices as they tip bigger and buy more DLD, but the biggest change is that they want a quick fuck and then fuck off. The biggest impact is the change to a short time town from a long time town. Thailand used to be almost 100 percent long time, and now is probably 10 percent LT, or some number near that.

In the future, we will be complaining that what was a long time heaven (for those who wanted that option) is now a short time knock at the hotel.To Biz 99.

I totally agree the girl in AC are spoil by the Korean, they are getting lazy with bad attuide just like the Japanese is spoiling the Thai girl at Thermae coffee house in BKK before 2000 when there are no Japanese around girl will offer 2 shots even for ST stay for 2 hr now they say you done I leave, they think everyone will be finish in 5 min like the Japanese.

Fast Eddie 48

[Amjeck]

To Biz 99.

I totally agree the girl in AC are spoil by the Korean, they are getting lazy with bad attuide just like the Japanese is spoiling the Thai girl at Thermae coffee house in BKK before 2000 when there are no Japanese around girl will offer 2 shots even for ST stay for 2 hr now they say you done I leave, they think everyone will be finish in 5 min like the Japanese.

Fast Eddie 48Are the koreans the ones to blame for the downfall of AC? Certainly, the Japs are the ones to blame for the downfall of Thermae, Nana and Cowboy.

[GreenBud]

the Japs are the ones to blame for the downfall of Thermae, Nana and Cowboy.Huh. I thought the downfall of Thermae coffee shop as one of the best after-hours pickup joint was due to that crackdown approx 10 years ago when the government forced all the bars to close early.

LOL! Aren't the Japanese a small minority at Nana and Cowboy. Yup, it's all the fault of the NGOs, Koreans, Japanese and Russians.

[Greek Niko]

I arrive at Manilla and meet Jennifer and the Pacific Breese private van. It is a 2 + hour ride to Angeles City and I get to the rear seats of the van. I have a nice cold beer and Jennifer. She has baby wipes and baby oil waiting. I take off my pants and lay back for a 2 hour blow job. My cock stayed in Jenns mouth for the entire ride and I took a nap with my cock in her mouth too.

We get to the hotel and its into the Jacuzzi. We fuck every way possible and fall asleep in each others arms. In the morning I get a great slobbering BJ from Jenn and finish in her throat. I give her a bouquet of roses and send her off.

I walk to WOW bar to get Jenna and Lyca. Mommasan says Jenna is in China and not coming back for 30 days. I play around with Mommasan telling her I want a lesbian ass session with her, She laughs and giggles and says she has cherry ass. I eventually take Lyca only as she is fun as can be. We go back to my room for ST. She proceeds to suck all the cock juice from my dick and I return the flavor as she has a very pretty pussy. We start fucking real hard and Lyca is riding me reverse cowgirl. I start playing with her ass and insert 1 lubed finger in and she starts moaning. I put her in doggie position and start to rub the head of my dick on her ass opening. She says nooooooo mommasan no allow ass to fuck. No this no that no humma humma humma. I get 2000 pesos and tell het here I no tell mommasan nothing. She smiles and says promise honey? Yea I won't tell mommasan I was ass fucking you. She relaxes and in I go, slowly and patiently. Lyca is tight as can be and it takes more KY to lube her good and start humping her sexy ass. By now she is moaning and groaning. I start to ride her ass for all its worth. I grab the back of her hair and fuck every inch of her tight ass. I finally cum all in her and pull out the condom. We clean up and she says honey you open my ass too much, mommasan no like, you break my mattress- Lyca I say nothing to mommasan, promise. She is happy and leaves. Lyca was total fun fun fun. A great gal and a great personality.

[Greek Niko]

More of Jennifer and Lovely Lyca

[Sxxxx]

Huh. I thought the downfall of Thermae coffee shop as one of the best after-hours pickup joint was due to that crackdown approx 10 years ago when the government forced all the bars to close early.

LOL! Aren't the Japanese a small minority at Nana and Cowboy. Yup, it's all the fault of the NGOs, Koreans, Japanese and Russians.Earlier closing hours years ago intially did give Thermae a kick in the guts, but in recent years Koreans and Japanese have taken over the place and the pretty ones hold out for them. European types normally only get the lesser looking ones. Obviously you have not been there for a while. Go there, I did, its a Korean Japanese joint nowadays.

[Greek Niko]

I meet up with some fellow mongers and off to Golden Nile that evening.

I am on the 2nd floor and have a lesbo session arranged with 2. I have not bar fined them yet. Something tells me to go upstairs and the girls try to keep me there on the 2nd floor. Well I get upstairs and see Farrah Fawcett on stage. That did it. I called Mommasan and she says 2000 peso barfine. Thats it, get her here to me now. Cynthia is her name and thinks she did something wrong as she just got on stage, mommasan says a man wants to meet you. My wingman comes up and I tell him I found Farrah. He reports there are broken hearts on 2nd floor.

I get Cynthia and have her change, we leave passing the 2nd floor and jealous looks. I take her to Tequilla Reef for dinner and off to karaoking. We go to my room and get showered together and in bed. Cynthia has 1 beautiful sweet pussy and I could not get enough of it. I introduce her to the purple clit vibrator and she starts squirming and before we knew it she squirts all over the bed, it was hot and sweet and the first time in her life she squirted. We engaged in everything from BBBJ to CIM to Anal oral. Cynthia was so damn sweet and lovable I kept her for 3 days and toured Clark and Angeles with her. A real GFE.

Another occasion, as I lost track of days LOL, I had a date arranged with a hottie from the hotel, yada yada yada it did not turn out as planned. Needless to say I was outside a motorcycle rental store and saw a cutie texting on her phone. I went up and told her she should be texting me and that familar pinay grim swept across her face. Her name is Lorraine and in 5 minutes we were walking back to Pacific Breese. Once in my room it took another 5 minutes for her to get naked and it was on. Deep passionate kissing and fingering her slobbering wet pussy. I went down on her and licked her good, as she was cumming I inserted a very wet lubed finger in her ass and she exploded all over my face. I followed up with missionary, doggie while fingering her ass, and slow very lubed anal on her. As she was moaning I exploded all in her ass. We cleaned up and showered together. She left and for the next few days texted the heck out of me.

That evening Cynthia calls and says I am barfining her and her gf. Mmmmm I could not think of anything better. I pick up both girls with the understanding I wanted pussy eating. Cynthia was new to it but agreed as her gf was very experienced. Off we go first to Tequilla Reef and Karaoking. Once the girls are loose and affectionate with each other we head back to Pac Breeze. A jacuzzi session starts with tit licking, pussy eating, double BJ etc. We make it on the bed and gf goes down on Cynthia and eats her pussy for all its worth. Cynthia is squirming and enjoying every minute of it. We switch and I eat Cyn and her gf. While jackhammering her gf good, her period comes down and she gets embarassed. That doesn't stop me and I continue to plow into her. Gf is real conscience of the period and has tears as I continue to drill deep and finally cum in her miss style with her ankles bent behing her ears. Cyn says O honey you make my gf cry. I get Cyn and go down on her until she is squirting once again. I spend the night cuddled between both. Next morning I awake to a double BJ as both girls are sucking mr dry. With both mouths and tongues on my cock and balls I cum in no time. The girls shower and leave asking if I would come get them tonight. I just grin and say we will see. I had plans to hunt down a brick shit house I saw with Cyn at Dollhouse on a prior night.

[Greek Niko]

That afternoon I walk to McDonalds for some great coffee and on the way back meet Mommasan Anna and 3 girls from WOW bar. I stop and greet her and mommasan says I need to take all 3 girls for ST, they do good blowjob. As that is a great way to relax I take them all up to my room for 1500 pesos but mommasam won't stay. We all jump in the Jacuzzi and I proceed to get my cock, balls, and ass licked to no end. We proceed onto the bed where pussy licking by the girls starts. 1 of the girls gave the best BJ ever swallowing me all the way down deep throat. As I can't cum, I tell her I have to fuck her to cum. She is hesitant and says my cock is too big. I say I will go real slow and use lube. The other girls encourage her to do it as they won't have to get fucked by it LOL. Ms deep throat agrees and slowly I get into her miss style. With the help of KY I start pumping her and she starts moaning. It only takes a few strokes as this is one tight pussy. I cum real good in her and we all shower together. The gals leave and I nap to get ready for the Dollhouse later.

[Gangles]

It seems like everybody is to blame for this outrageous inflationary situation. Except for all of us white caucasian males.

Despite the face that I know a bunch of guys on this forum who pay way over the going rate for the services of selected pinay.

But they could not possibly be causing this ever expanding problem, because they are one of us.

An acquaintance of mine, who will be unnamed, just bragged to me that he was in a medium bar in AC and rang the bell 3 times. Then paid well over the rate for the bf.

After all, it is not much in Australian dollars, and far less than I would pay back home. Was his rationale.

Hypocrites.


Huh. I thought the downfall of Thermae coffee shop as one of the best after-hours pickup joint was due to that crackdown approx 10 years ago when the government forced all the bars to close early.

LOL! Aren't the Japanese a small minority at Nana and Cowboy. Yup, it's all the fault of the NGOs, Koreans, Japanese and Russians.

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[Amjeck]

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LOL! Aren't the Japanese a small minority at Nana and Cowboy.Before the currency wars japs pretty much stayed on Soi Thaniya. There are many more in Nana and Cowboy now than before.

[GreenBud]

An acquaintance of mine, who will be unnamed, just bragged to me that he was in a medium bar in AC and rang the bell 3 times.If you look at the wall at the bars in Angeles, you will notice that most of the names are Western. Not too many Korean names. After you ring the bell, you pay around $100, all the girls gets a drink and aprox 50 pesos, the bar owner gets his large share, and they write your name on the wall.

I don't understand the bell ring; I guess it's great if you have money to burn. But what else do you get?

I understand the large tips. The girls should treat you better if you return.

The chatter about the girl not respecting you if you tip too big is an urban myth IMO. Some girls will talk smack about everyone; you think the girl, when she talks shit about other people / races, won't talk shit about you when you leave?

[Run Mann]

i don't understand the bell ring; i guess it's great if you have money to burn. but what else do you get?the attention of course, the spotlight being on you and getting your however many minutes of fame. it's similar to buying ping pong balls, throwing them and watch the chicks rep001ter like animals.

[AZguy]

Sounds great! Is this a service you can get arranged from someone in the Angeles or did you meet Jennifer independently and arrange?

Thanks

[WestCoast1]

I walk to WOW bar to get Jenna and Lyca. Mommasan says Jenna is in China and not coming back for 30 days. I play around with Mommasan telling her I want a lesbian ass session with her, She laughs and giggles and says she has cherry ass. I eventually take Lyca only as she is fun as can be. We go back to my room for ST. She proceeds to suck all the cock juice from my dick and I return the flavor as she has a very pretty pussy. We start fucking real hard and Lyca is riding me reverse cowgirl. I start playing with her ass and insert 1 lubed finger in and she starts moaning. I put her in doggie position and start to rub the head of my dick on her ass opening. She says nooooooo mommasan no allow ass to fuck. No this no that no humma humma humma. I get 2000 pesos and tell het here I no tell mommasan nothing. She smiles and says promise honey? Yea I won't tell mommasan I was ass fucking you. She relaxes and in I go, slowly and patiently. Lyca is tight as can be and it takes more KY to lube her good and start humping her sexy ass. By now she is moaning and groaning. I start to ride her ass for all its worth. I grab the back of her hair and fuck every inch of her tight ass. I finally cum all in her and pull out the condom. We clean up and she says honey you open my ass too much, mommasan no like, you break my mattress- Lyca I say nothing to mommasan, promise. She is happy and leaves. Lyca was total fun fun fun. A great gal and a great personality.Greek-N: Great pics and field reports!

Those two from WOW are great together. They are my all-time fav twin-pack. They are bubbly and professional, and aim to please. It's a pleasure to take these ST gals out for a quick drink at Dollhouse or Crystal Palace AFTER after the 60-minute ditty (I rarely take a girl out after, for any reason. Much less two girls). They know how to have fun with the cam. Kind of hard to believe, but WOW is the first place I go to after showering on my first day in AC on each trip, and grab these girls for some nawty. During my stay I will go back and get them at least one more time together, and often get one of them (with any different gal) on one more occasion. I have posted them multiple times in the photogallery. You must tell them in the (tiny) bar exactly what you want before departing. Don't let miscommunication deter you. If you ask in the bar for anal, they will both say no. But they will both do the backdoor (we've been at it for some time). We know each other so well at this point, that they txt me if I'm seen with another girl: "You walking at honeypot with girl. Is she bargirl or not?" They are not at all concerned if I get a girl from another bar, but if I even stop to chat a non-bar-girl, I'm going to get a txt from one of them, even if they are off work for the afternoon or evening (its almost like jealousy, but I don't think that's it. They have friends around town, and the bamboo pipeline is always working). They are, comparatively, not that much to look at: 7's maybe. But they make up for it with sweetness and desire to please. They start shooting pictures of each other even before the play starts. They pose like porn stars (well, they are porn stars now thanks to myself and several others on the board). They are both cam hounds and besides posing they love to shoot pics; if I'm playing with one, the other just pics up the cam and shoots until I switch girls again. See the pic, its hard to buy fun.

[Greek Niko]

Sounds great! Is this a service you can get arranged from someone in the Angeles or did you meet Jennifer independently and arrange?

ThanksI had arranged a private van to pick me up at the airport from Pacific Breeze. The van is big and has dark tinted windows. Anything goes inside. I met Jennifer on date in asia and told her what I wanted and expected, she was cool and ready to comply. Make sure who ever you choose to be your welcome committee meets the van at the hotel, if she doesn't show up on time she misses the van and you miss the welcome committee. I told Jennifer whatever she does in life she better not miss the F'ing van LOL, she was there 3 hours early so she would not miss it. I had roses waiting for her as most girls don't get this and it was worth what she did for me. Call me old school but thats how I roll, I bring gifts and reward the girls that went out of their what to please me, needless to say I left after giving out all my gifts.

[Greek Niko]

Greek-N: Great pics and field reports!My my my does that look familar WOW! Lyca is just great fun and a lot more that a 7 to me because of the fun factor. She is older that the other girls, mid 30's but makes it up with her charm and personaliy. We were laughing and gigling the whole time together. When I return she will be on my hit list.

Thanks for the intro fellow inmate.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Huh. I thought the downfall of Thermae coffee shop as one of the best after-hours pickup joint was due to that crackdown approx 10 years ago when the government forced all the bars to close early.

LOL! Aren't the Japanese a small minority at Nana and Cowboy. Yup, it's all the fault of the NGOs, Koreans, Japanese and Russians.To Green bud.

I first go to Thermae in 1995 back then after 2am after all the go go bar closed all the girl go there so many you cannot even walk, you can get girl for 700bht ST and they stay for 2 hr 2 shots is a buyer market then, you guy are lucky that the Japanese don't go to AC not sure why maybe that they are not welcome most Fillipino hate the Jap because of what they did in World war II.

Fast Eddie 48

[Sxxxx]

To Green bud.

I first go to Thermae in 1995 back then after 2am after all the go go bar closed all the girl go there so many you cannot even walk, you can get girl for 700bht ST and they stay for 2 hr 2 shots is a buyer market then, you guy are lucky that the Japanese don't go to AC not sure why maybe that they are not welcome most Fillipino hate the Jap because of what they did in World war II.

Fast Eddie 48Well I first went to Thermae in the 1970's, and it was in a slightly different location and Baht200 all night. Last time I was there recently, it seemed mostly Korean, then Japanese then forlorn Westerners. The former two were scooping the pool.

Sorry I have a different take on the Japanese in Phils. Girls wouldn't even know what world war 2 was. Older Filipinos in 70's age range etc remember, and don't forgive, young ones don't know and don't care. Girls prefer Japanese over and above the almighty Koreans! Cause they are also big spenders, don't spend much time if any, screwing the girls, and are polite. Something you can not say about the arrogant impolite Koreans.

Japanese in Phils nowadays thin on the ground due to them running into lots of scams, robberies etc. They were a soft target for the criminal element in Phils. Their government instructed them around Mid 80's onwards, not to visit Philippines any more, and as you know the Japanese obey authority, so they moved over to safer Thailand. But Koreans are outnumbering Japanese both in Philippines and Thailand nowadays. Maybe something to do with their ever increasing prosperity. Got to hand it to them, Koreans they make great products, but not great wingmen LOL. All is not lost, we have other things neither of those two have, and I am not talking about big penises. The Korean success story will not last. They are the flavour now, but not forever. End of subject for me.

[Ibn Buttita]

Continued from Manila forum.

My bus ride from Manila to Angeles City, the 3:30 departure from the Southern Cross hotel, was filled with anticipation. I slept a bit (the seats were very comfortable, it was a better vehicle than the Swagman I returned on) , read up a little on AC (the whorist blog and Wayne's Angeles City map provided great information) , and enjoyed the view of a fantastic sunset. We arrived around 6:30, the bus dropping me off near my hotel, the Pacific Breeze. I was happy I had made a reservation, since they were full – so full that all they had for me was a windowless executive room (unless you count the window opening to the hallway, which was pointless) in the new wing. The next morning, fortunately, I was able to change to an executive plus at $60 per night – complete with bathtub and window to the outside world.

Overall I really liked the Pacific Breeze, for its very new and clean rooms. 5% discount for paying cash, and great service (a phone call to check on you when a girl leaves, and extra towels delivered by housekeeping two minutes after you call to request them). Best, it had a very central and strategic location off Santos Street (with a laundry and internet cafe across the street). That made it very convenient for the action on Fields Avenue, but in a quieter, more intimate location than the main strip; in this way it was like the place I had stayed earlier this year in Pattaya a couple of blocks off Soi LK Metro. (Pacific Breeze is also right by 'blow row, ' the Santos Street blow job bars; though one of them, Gobbles, is now closed. I find it hard to believe that I was so close-by to these places yet never sampled them, but only at the end of my trip did I notice that the girls there were not bad looking at all, and by then I was out of time).

Like my Pattaya experience back in the spring, once I headed out from the hotel I felt completely overwhelmed. I walked a bit on Fields to get my bearings, but it felt like too much to absorb at once. Over a great Mexican dinner at Tequila Reef (also very convenient to Pacific Breeze) , I set my plan for the evening.

It started with a walk east down Fields, with a stop into Blue Nile for a drink. This place and other theme go-go's on this stretch consistently disappointed me over the course of this trip. At Blue Nile (as at Cambodia and Golden Nile) the girls where overwhelmingly mediocre (or worse) to my eye, and the dancing and overall vibe were boring. Love and Music had the latter but not enough girls to choose for the former.

So I headed to the opposite end of the avenue to Atlantis for the show I had seen advertised for 9:30. I liked Atlantis and the other show clubs like Dollhouse and Forbidden City for their layout, with a big stage and catwalk or upper level with girls lined up, allowing you see the whole lineup on hand (Crystal was similar but didn't seem high enough for good sight lines). The shows were entertaining and the participatory element fun (though using my index finder to propel the sausage-shaped balloons through the air had some uncomfortable anatomical connotations.) , and the unlimited free bowls of popcorn made me a fan. As I found later, these places were perfect for barhopping with a girl. Just not great for picking one.

I just didn't see that the show bars had better looking girls than other Angeles City bars. This was evident even on my first night at Atlantis, where the girls being highlighted during the showcase (who barfined at 3, 000 pesos) really had nothing in looks over the other, less pricey girls. Except one thing: height. This was the common variable I noticed in places that had dual pricing systems (the show bars as well as places like Golden Nile). Otherwise, I saw no reason why anyone would pay more.

That said, by the time 11:00 rolled around I was getting horny, and wondered 'shouldn't I have a girl picked out by now? ' One of the Atlantis dancers in the urban street dancing troupe was rather cute, so I asked the waitress, who turned out to be her friend, to call her over. We chatted over a lady drink, and figuring her lithe figure and dancing skills could translate to a memorable time in bed I asked about the barfine. She told me 3, 000, which at that stage I probably would have paid given my limited experience to that point, but she let me know that as a dancer she could not go out until 1AM. That ruled her out for me, and partly in jest I asked the waitress if she could be barfined; she said it was 2, 000 pesos, but she was a cherry girl. So that was the end of my night at Atlantis.

Where to go next? Carousel was conveniently located next door, and I had read good things about it. I had also read that the carousel stage wasn't rotating, which was still the case this night; the girls had to do a rotation of their own to give everyone a view. Since I was traveling solo, I soon had a cheering section of three waitresses on hand to help me make a selection, and a girl with a Latina look and caramel colored hair caught my eye.

Mafe could dance, and strike a pose. But it was the sultry look on her face that drew me in. Once she was sitting next to me with a lady drink, she answered my question about if she liked to kiss by sticking her tongue into my mouth. Watiress, barfine please! Here I got a glimpse of the way some of the Angeles City bars were trying to get around the barfine concept that the authorities apparently frown upon these days. The waitress brought over a tray of mini iced tea-filled shot glasses, ostensibly for the girl to drink (though Mafe left them behind to get changed) , which conveniently cost the same price as the old barfine. At Carousel it was 1, 800 pesos. As a bonus I got to drink the iced tea.

As we walked down Fields Avenue together, I soon learned about the complexities that lay beneath Mafe's sexy stage persona. She was a sweet Samar girl. 21 years old, whose family moved to Angeles the year before; she had started at Carousel in October. Affectionately strolling arm-in-arm over to Suave music bar (above Tequila Reef) for some karaoke, our conversation somehow turned to world history, which Mafe apparently had taken an interest in at school. By now she had gotten my mind energized as well as my libido, which heightened the passion when we got back to the hotel. She kissed as advertised in the bar, and rode me as energetically as she danced.

[Ibn Buttita]

My jet lag meant I couldn't sleep soundly, and throughout the night I pined for Mafe, sleeping soundly and naked next to me. Morning eventually rolled around and so did we. After breakfast at Kokomos we returned to the hotel and Mafe helped me move my stuff to the better room I requested.

One of the reasons I decided to stay at Pacific Breeze was its swimming pool, and I invited Mafe to join me for a dip. She had been wearing athletic bikini-style underwear, so fortunately she had something to wear in the water. Mafe couldn't swim, but that was fine since I was perfectly happy sitting on the underwater bar stools as Mafe lay on top of me. I enjoyed frolicking at the pool with a hot girl, but I had nothing on the German dude who had a harem of three young looking cuties (one with especially ample boobs for her slight frame) , whom he videotaped squeezing onto a raft together and reciting naughty phrases.

After lunch Mafe and I retired to the room for more sex and cuddling and a sensual bath bordering on a soapy massage. By later afternoon she needed to head out to get ready for her shift at Carousel. I wanted to be with her again that night, and she had the same idea, and we agreed that I would see her at the bar later that evening. Mafe proposed meeting in a couple of hours, but despite embracing another multi-night encounter I also wanted to taste the variety on offer in Angeles, so I suggested seeing her after nine. When Mafe asked if she could leave some of her things in my room I was a little concerned, but figured there was no harm to it. In retrospect I should have seen it as a warning sign; I had already had an uncomfortable moment at lunch when she asked me to describe our time together in one word. But these things didn't seem that big a deal then, and I still planned on getting together with her that night.

As soon as she left, though, I put away her things in anticipation of another female visitor. The question was, where would I meet this lady? I remembered reading something good about Genesis so I walked over there, first checking out the (pretty good) talent at the attached Fantasy bar. Flirting with the sexy shot girl at Genesis was fun, but figured I should make a pick before it got too late. I liked the lineup but was indecisive: should I choose one girl or two, since having some threesomes in Angeles was one of my goals for the trip. By now the mamasan had sat at my table and let me know the barfine price (1, 800 pesos) , but there was a problem: when I gave her the number of the girl I was interested in, the mama pointed out that she was already sitting with another customer. This was like cold water to the face, compounded by the fact that for some reason the waitress had already brought over two lady drinks (including one for the mamasan) and another beer for me, none of which I had yet officially ordered.

I sent them back and sulked a bit, but soon noticed that the guest had for some reason let the girl go, and she was standing nearby. I got the mamasan to restart the process (I apologized for the misunderstanding) , and Ruffia was soon by my side. This 20 year old is an example of the gems out there who don't require paying 3, 000 pesos. She was just exquisite, with a gorgeous face and a tall, slender body. As great as she looked in a bikini, she was even more stunning in the sexy short pink dress she wore as we walked back to my hotel.

Ruffia was friendly, but I figured I might have a diva on my hands, especially when we got to the room and she immediately began texting on her mobile phone. She explained that she was just telling her mother and a cousin to go to hell for disapproving of her work as a bar girl (family dinners must be interesting in that household, since Ruffia's sister and cousin also work at Genesis).

Although I didn't feel very confident in where things were going at this point, I got Ruffia to put down her phone and stand up, and began kissing her. To my surprise, she responded enthusiastically. I pulled her dress above her ass and began fondling her cheeks as we kissed passionately, and she soon lifted her dress completely over her head to let me kiss her small but pretty breasts. Licking her pussy was next on the menu, and she responded by getting very wet and then with a sweet blowjob. We eventually moved on to fucking missionary for a long time and ended with a series of thrusts with her straddling me in cowgirl that put me over the edge. Exhausted, we stroked each other playfully afterward. It wasn't the longest session I ever had, but among the most memorable. Ruffia ranked as one of the hottest women I've ever had sex with, and gave me what's possibly the best compliment I ever received: 'you're a good fucker. '

When Ruffia departed I made my way back over to Carousel. The carousel was operating this time, which really livened the place up. As it turned Mafe came into sight, and she made some especially sexy dance moves for me. After she came to sit with me her friend Mayrose, a dancer at the One Eyed Wench bar, came in with her date for the night, and she and Mafe got up on a table to dance. My mouth watered, since Mayrose was a short, slightly thick girl with an adorable face – very tasty. Mafe noticed my interest in Mayrose and I told her about my interest in having a threesome. She said that it was something that the two of them had talked about, and that I would be an ideal first attempt for them, so she agreed to ask her friend to reserve herself for my last night in Angeles. Mafe and I soon headed out for some dinner at a Korean restaurant and to check out the show at the Dollhouse. Back at the hotel we put on a show of our own.

[Ibn Buttita]

the next morning mafe woke me for breakfast. she didn't have the eggs and toast variety in mind, although she definitely got her protein. with the morning light looking so beautiful on mafe's tan skin i felt the urge to do something for the first time: take photos and videos during sex. mafe's ability to put on a sultry face was perfect for the camera, and her exquisite blow job skills were ideal for video. i won't win any awards for cinematography (i need to learn to keep the camera more steady when i'm about to cum) , but we ended up making a film culminating in an explosive facial cumshot, something i'll be watching for years to come.

after breakfast (the other kind – a big one at swiss chalet) mafe began talking about how we were going to spend the rest of my visit together. i agreed to accompany her that morning on a trip to the shops where she purchased the cosmetics, jewelry, and accessories she sold to the other girls at carousel. she was quite the entrepreneur, and really impressed me with her business sense and ambition to rise above some very difficult life situations she described to me. when we got back to the room we cuddled for a while, and i expected that we would split up for the rest of the day at 1:00, when she and the other carousel dancers had their scheduled health checkup at the government clinic. mafe had other ideas, talking about what we were going to do that afternoon and night. i liked spending time with mafe but some of the things she was saying suggested that she was getting too emotionally involved, and i didn't come to angeles city to wife up. so i gently indicated that i had some things to do that afternoon, and that would prefer to rest that night before meeting the following night when we would get together with her friend.

mafe left and i took a nap and then went to use the pool, which is located at the back of the original building at pacific breeze. to get back to my part of the hotel one needs to go through the lobby and onto the street, and so after i finished my swim i exited the lobby on the way back to my room. that's when i spotted mafe standing in front of the hotel, having apparently come from her checkup, which surprised me since we had agreed to meet again the following day. fortunately she didn't see me, so i went back into the lobby to wait until she left as i didn't want to tell her that she wasn't part of my plan for the day, a trip down perimeter avenue. by myself. after a few minutes i checked again and mafe had gone. i had done the girlfriend experience one time on this philippines trip already, and now was getting it once again. only this time it was becoming the clingy, emotionally needy type of girlfriend experience, not the kind i was looking for.

after my narrow escape, i was ready for my field-trip to perimeter. i wanted to walk out there to scope it out despite the mid-day heat and humidity, grateful for stops along the way like the lewis grand hotel where i could rest in the air conditioning. based on my walk i was glad that i was staying near fields avenue, since the bars on perimeter seemed too spread-out for popping in and out, like i did at the fields ave. places during my visit. since my time was limited i didn't make the effort to check out the bars on the most of perimeter, and partly because when there were girls outside they weren't really attractive, and the less said about the women outside the massage parlors the better (my female companion on the way back, spotting them from the jeepney, commented on their rough looks).

perimeter avenue was the site of the most orgasmic, leg trembling experience of my trip: a meal at the cottage kitchen. this restaurant specializing in blues music and usa southern home cooking was my first destination that afternoon, and the lunch of barbecued spare ribs, fried catfish, potato salad and hush puppies made the trip out to perimeter (maybe even the whole trip to angeles city) worthwhile. absolutely recommended!

my other target for the afternoon was the string of bars around the clarkton hotel, just past cottage kitchen. mirrors club inside the clarkton itself was very disappointing, with only about 5 bored-looking girls on hand. afterschool wasn't especially busy, but roadies, the middle bar in the strip next to the clarkton, looked like it had plenty of potential, with a pretty good lineup of young-ish looking girls dancing behind the bar along the wall. lost in asia next door was the place i parked myself, encouraged by the lively hula hoop shimmying on stage. and the most-shimmying of them all was a delectable spinner on center stage. remembering the mantra i read on the isg forum long ago, 'if you can dance you can fuck, ' i quickly motioned for her to come over.

kelly looked a lot younger than the 23 years she claimed; i took her for a teenager, but her report of having spent three years in singapore supported what she told me. our chat at the bar was a lot of fun, one of the best i had on the trip. spinner body, cute face, great sense of humor: that ticked all my boxes and so i proposed barfining her. kelly agreed but surprised me by saying this would be her first barfine ever; she had only recently come to angeles, and in singapore she had been simply a hostess ('visiting her uncle, ' she said she told people who asked). i was equally concerned and intrigued at this notion of breaking kelly's barfine cherry, but decided to go for it and paid the mamasan the 1, 350 pesos. i had inquired at the other perimeter bars around here and they reported the same price; asking explicitly about a 'barfine' never drew a hesitant reaction, and at lia i paid the amount up front, with nothing said about paying the fine by way of drinks.

after kelly got changed we jumped on a jeepney for the 8-peso trip back to fields avenue. that's where i had my first negative experience of the afternoon, when the mother of a little girl sitting across from me said she was laughing because i looked like mr. bean; so much all those bar girls telling me i was so 'hand-sum! ' after we exited at the jeepney terminal, kelly asked for us to stop into a tattoo parlor; she had told me she planned to get a tribal tramp stamp tattoo above her bum, to complement the butterfly on her shoulder. this was fine, but then she dragged me across the street to a small shop selling handbags. i was taken aback when she asked me to buy her one, but i calculated that this would only cost a bit more than the usual 300 pesos trip i was giving the go-go girls when they left, so i got her the bag reasoning that it could only make the session go better. this bag episode was a bad omen for what was to come.

kelly's whining about walking the rest of the way the pacific breeze was a bit grating since the distance was not very far, and another sign that i had a princess on my hands. i indulged her desire to smoke in the room, and gave her the oreos in the refrigerator when she complained of being hungry. when we got down to business she burst into laughter when i licked her pussy, since of course she was ticklish. the music station, usually good accompaniment to sex with filipinas on this trip, distracted her and i had to several times guide her hand to stroke my cock, since she was fixated on the television.

kelly had little instinct for satisfying sexual pacing, and when we finally got into a decent rhythm in doggy style we were disturbed by a phone call; i grabbed the receiver and heard someone speaking in a language i didn't understand. an insistent knock on the door followed a few minutes later. i yanked off the condom and rushed to throw on my clothing, thoughts of an **** girl police sting racing through my head. i answered the door to find an elderly japanese gentleman (who had apparently called earlier) looking for a friend who had given him the wrong room number.

we resumed fucking, but kelly was reluctant, asking to reduce the session from the three hours we had originally agreed upon. at this point i was just ready to cum and get rid of her, so i hoisted kelly on top of me, her lying flat with her back against my chest, and pulled her back and forth so i could blow my load.

i hadn't shown much enthusiasm or satisfaction with kelly's performance to this point, but she apparently couldn't read this. after showering she asked where we were going to eat, and when i told her we weren't she had the gall to ask for a 150 peso tip! (because she would of course have to take a trike to get back, she claimed). at this point i just told her off, reminding her about the handbag and scolding her for not trying her best or having much concern for my satisfaction. she was chastened, and surprisingly apologized and tried to make up for it by inviting me back to lost in asia for their party the next day (or maybe this was just another sign of her cluelessness.). i then showed her to the door, thus ending my only genuinely bad session of my philippines trip. so for the record i chalked up only one disappointing girl among fifteen, a pretty good ratio which says a lot for the women of this nation.

[Ibn Buttita]

it was now around 7:00 and i headed out for the evening, eager to make up for the disappointing afternoon encounter. it would be a long journey, but i eventually got there. a nice thing about having mafe essentially penciled in the night before was that it took off the pressure of finding the right girl for the night (the last thing i wanted was another bust like kelly). instead, what should have been a carefree night of barhopping became a little bit like work. it certainly was a lot of effort; i must have stopped into every establishment on fields. which is not a bad idea, since it gives you the chance to see which places have girls that appeal to you and an atmosphere you like. i generally never ran into a problem taking a minute to scope out a place, even when the waitresses invited me to have a seat, but a couple of times i felt i was taking advantage so felt obligated to buy a drink. this was the case in a place like golden nile, where i was escorted upstairs and so felt i ought to buy something.

the big clubs weren't very promising. at places like forbidden city either they didn't have anyone who really caught my eye, or i was annoyed by the effort involved in sorting out the girls in different price categories. at club asia they had plenty of cuties (in a huge space, with stage areas in two long rooms) , but on two separate occasions when i asked waitresses about the price to barfine a dancer they told me it wasn't possible, even when i asked in different ways. this might have been due to some of the police activity i noticed on fields that night and the fear of a raid.

i had more luck in the smaller places, sort of. typhoon had a good selection, but i only stayed there briefly. at champagne i had seen a very cute girl on stage when i took a peek. after making the rounds of some bars i decided she was a good candidate to be my companion for the evening, so i returned and found her sitting at the bar and took the open seat next to her. rita was a petite spanish-looking cutie with jet black hair (topped off with a bow) in a curly style i hadn't seen before in the philippines. she was a real darling and very well spoken, with a good sense of humor too; at one point when i told her it was my first trip to angeles she joked about me being a 'cherry boy. ' in response i jokingly asked if she was a cherry girl. and it turned out she was. she showed me the health department identification card the girls have hanging on them, and sure enough there was a small red 'v' on it. i had read about the cherry girls in angeles having badges indicating their virgin status, but this mark was barely visible from over say two feet away, so without actually asking the girl or a mamasan in reality there's no way to know. this revelation basically brought our interaction to a grinding halt, since i thought i had been on the verge of something special and now had to start over. it was only a lady drink and some flirty conversation, but it still felt like an investment had been wasted, which was a blow since i had high hopes for this, my last 'free' night in angeles. back to square one.

next stop texas. this bar was one of the best small ones i visited, with a fun theme and a lively atmosphere. most important, it had about a dozen cute girls on stage, a very good selection for a place that small (unlike some of other small go-go's, like tight jeans nearby, which were dire). the dress code of daisy duke shorts and tied-off checkered shirts also made for a nice change of pace from bikinis. (i wonder why more bars don't opt for costume options beyond bikinis, since other outfits like dresses would make many of the less attractive girls more appealing and still look good on the cuties).

one girl's bare midriff and adorable face made me think 'she's the one. ' when she came over myra told me she was 27 years old, probably the oldest girl i encountered in the philippines, which was a shock since she looked so young. she was rather reserved, which i probably should have been wary of. a bigger mistake was probably being so up-front in my questions. first i asked if she liked to kiss, but then i was definitely too forward in asking if she had ever done a threesome with a customer (getting together with two girls was still on my angeles to-do list) , and this probably scared her off. when i asked the waitress if i could barfine myra the two conferred, and the waitresses' reply was that this was the last day of myra's period and so the answer was no. this was extremely deflating. i felt like i'the been left at the altar twice.

in no mood to look for another girl at texas i moved on, basically just going from one bar to the next. i eventually made it down to the other end of fields avenue. one place that looked like it had potential was gekko's bar, so i entered and looked around to survey the scene. at this point i was having a hard time sorting out all the visual information around me, with so many girls in a small space, so i hesitated and just stood in the doorway. then a petite girl in a bikini came up to me with a huge smile and started joking with me about my reluctance to sit down.

her name was melon and her charm succeeded in getting me to finally take a seat. i bought her a drink for her efforts, specifying a single lady drink which she found amusing, since i had told her it was my first time in angeles. much of our conversation revolved around who i could get to join us for a threesome, but it eventually became clear that she wasn't up for that. it finally dawned on me that we were having such a good time by ourselves that i should just take melon out and forget the two-girl thing. it was 11:00, the end of her shift, and she was about to leave, which helped me pull the trigger.

you know how it's said that things happen for a reason? maybe my fruitless hunting to that point was intended to lead me to gekko's and melon. at least it seems like it was part of a plan, because i can't imagine my mongering career without the night and day that followed. i'm not sure i ever felt so sexually in sync with a woman; in her instinct for giving a man pleasure, she was very much the opposite of kelly earlier that afternoon. much of the pleasure of being with melon flowed from her natural lightheartedness; for me the best sign of good sex is a lot of smiling and laughing, and we shared plenty of both. the smile on her face as i slowly slid my cock into her in missionary is an image i'll long remember.

another mutual interest we discovered was oral sex; i love to eat pussy and melon couldn't get enough, and when she told me she loved giving blow jobs, i knew i had a keeper. i can still envision pulling her on top of me into 69 position. melon's body was also very petite, the perfect size for me, and we effortlessly shifted into a variety of positions over the course of our sessions, climaxing with her lying with her back against my chest as i thrust into her. i truly think melon was the best sex partner i've ever had.

[Ibn Buttita]

morning featured a sweet reprise of the previous night's session with melon. by the time she was dressed and heading out i was eager to be with her again, so we agreed that i would see her back at gekko's when her shift began at 2pm. i attempted to recover some of my energy with a nap and an indulgent eggs benedict breakfast at the hotel restaurant.

my afternoon plan revolved around visiting pony tails, one of the bars on don juico street between fields and perimeter, and then getting back to gekko to pick up melon at 2:00. i had taken a peek in pony tails on my perimeter walk the day before and liked what i saw. and i did again. not just the girls; this place wins my vote for best arrangement and most comfortable seating in angeles city, with cushioned couches along the walls featuring very good sight lines of the center stage. it's an unpretentious place, with friendly waitresses and free popcorn. i would live here if i resided in angeles.

back to the girls. as i entered at around 12:30 there were 5 attractive girls dancing, and a few more at tables with customers (there were probably no more than half a dozen guys in the place while i was there, some playing pool). the girl in the middle, fairly tall and slender with a cute face, laughed with her mates when she noticed my eyes on her, earning herself a lady drink. lika was her name, and like her i did, but she surprised me when she said she was 25 years old; i would have sworn she had barely broken 20. since i was on a schedule i didn't wasn't to spend too much time before clinching the deal, so asked her about going out. unfortunately, in my observation of lika up on stage i had missed on detail: the small wrap around her waist covering her bikini bottom. this, she told me (too late) indicated that she was having her period, so she was out of bounds for a barfine.

i was disappointed since i had great things in mind for lika, so i consoled myself with the mere pleasure of sitting next to beautiful woman and having a cold beer at midday. after lika got back on stage. i was resigned to leaving pony tails alone, when a young-looking girl who had been sitting with a korean guest returned to the stage herself. she was too sweet to pass up, and so over a lady drink lony told me she was twenty. i worried at first that i had another cherry girl on my hands. when she told me she had a ten month old son (you would never have known it) , i knew i was in the clear and i paid the 1, 500 pesos for her barfine drink tray (the shots had some booze in them here).

as i waited for lony to change into clothes there was a shift change on stage. my eyes opened wide as about 8 slender bikini-clad hotties got on stage to dance. i didn't have regrets about choosing lony since she was so cute, but i was a little bit sorry i couldn't stay longer to see this fine group of ladies. i would rate this bunch as the best looking lineup i had seen on a stage in angeles city at any one time. i haven't seen much written about pony tails, but this place is the tops.

lony returned and we took a trike back to pacific breeze. on the way over i wondered how a session with such an innocent-looking girl would go. well, it resembled a mythical prom night. while standing i kissed her as she sat on the edge of the bed, then lay her back as i lifted her shirt and unclipped her bra, kissing her sweetly and then sliding off her jeans and panties. all the while i marveled at the shy smile of anticipation on her face. everything moved as in slow motion as i slowly entered her missionary style, then pulled her up to ride me until i came while looking up at lony's sweet smile. i saw her off at the door with a gentle kiss, to end what was one of the sweetest sex sessions, and cutest girls, i've ever had.

but there would be no rest for the wicked. i quickly got dressed to make it over to gekkos. it was 3:00 when i got to the bar and i was a bit worried that i didn't see melon, but i sat down and was relieved to eventually see her across the room. she came over and draped herself across my lap, and scolded me for being late, but i told her i was just on philippine time. after getting melon a san mig light i playfully reminded that i was springing for a double lady drink this time, and when she downed it quickly i sensed she was as eager to get barfined and resume our activities from that morning as much as me.

while she dressed i scoped out the place, which was packed with customers and girls. this early in the day the lineup was obviously bigger with plenty of attractive girls available. the ratio of dancers to waitresses was about 1 to 1, and most of them were cute (and apparently barfine-able) as well. given gekko's small size, it could have the most sweet pussy per square foot of any bar in angeles city. and one of the best vibes, since with so many expat resident regulars (from what i could tell) , it feels like a neighborhood bar.

our session went much like the night before and that morning. melon let me enjoy eating her out until she was soaked, and i let her enjoy giving me a superb blow job, and then we enjoyed 69-ing together. the sexual gymnastics again ended with her lying backward on top of me as i squeezed her small breasts and came loudly.

we traded contacts and said our goodbyes, and i really didn't want to see melon go; i wanted to spend the night with her, not just the one afternoon session. but i really felt an obligation not to stand mafe up that night. while i had mixed feelings about her attachment to me, i still felt warmly toward mafe and thought it would just be cruel to leave her waiting for me outside carousel. plus, she had supposedly arranged the threesome for that night with her juicy friend mayrose.

i got to carousel at about 5:30 and saw mafe on the street coming toward me. we kissed and made the barfine arrangements inside the club, then headed over to one eyed wench bar to pick up mayrose for our tryst. in the back of my mind i had expected something to go wrong, however, since mafe seemed to get her share of bad luck. sure enough, although mafe had said mayrose promised to reserve her evening for us, when she met us she said she had already been barfined. her attempt to convince the guest to make it short time (why would he?) failed, and i went back to the room with mafe, dispirited over having lost out on the threesome (based on a brief kiss from mayrose in the bar it would have been good) and having given up a night with melon.

mafe could tell that i was disappointed, and promised to make it up to me by finding another girl for us at carousel. back in the club she asked two friends if they were willing; one declined, and another one – a tall, chinese looking girl with a china bangs haircut. was up for it but just looked too skanky for me to be interested. this was not looking good, but mafe pulled out all the stops; she was on a mission. wearing her street clothes, she got up on the carousel stage and made the rounds of the dancers, seeking out a partner for us. i nodded at the two candidates she found, and they sat down with me over drinks for the all-important interview.

according to mafe, both giselle and richia were a little wild, but i wouldn't have known it from their looks. 19 year old giselle was a dark-haired, spanish looking girl who was cute as a button. she had a little baby fat, but making up for it were her ample boobs. i still melt when i think about this girl. richia was tall and athletic but with a curvy ass and thighs. she was 20 years old and had a cute, more prominently asian looking face than giselle, but this sweetness was balanced a bit by the big tattoo on her lower back, the first stage in an intended full-back design. both girls eagerly consumed their beers and vodkas, so i figured either one would give mafe and me a wild ride.

deciding seemed difficult, especially since they both said that they liked to kiss. then the answers to my questions about whether they liked receiving oral sex posed a problem; since mafe didn't enjoy having her pussy eaten, which is possibly my favorite sexual activity, we needed a partner who did. i was ready to go for giselle when, incredibly, she said that she had never had her pussy licked, while richia gave me an embarrassed smile before confirming that she liked it. i couldn't pass on giselle, so i came up with a solomon-like solution: barfine them both.

everyone agreed and we relocated to pacific breeze; on the way over i got a rush from finally being one of the guys i had seen on the streets accompanied by multiple hotties. the activities began with a bikini party, the girls all stripping down to bras and panties and jumping around on the bed (and on me). mafe nicely punctuated things by pulling my boxers down to give me a nice blow job. despite their advertised wildness, richia and giselle took things a bit slower. richia in particular was a bit shy so she turned out the television and all the lights. i indicated that this would not do, so she came up with the idea of leaving the tv turned on to the music channel and covering the screen with a towel; this made for good mood lighting.

the mood definitely turned sexy as underwear was stripped off. i lay giselle on her back to give her some inaugural cunnilingus, and based on her moans i think she will be seeking more of it in the future. while my head was buried in giselle's pussy richia began sucking my dick, something she was skilled at doing. mafe switched in turn between the two other girls, sucking and kissing tits and other assorted body parts.

some fucking was called for, so giselle mounted me in cowgirl while i positioned richia over my face to give her a turn for pussy licking. we shifted so i was pumping giselle missionary style, while staring intently at her incredibly cute face, our eyes locked as i came. giselle was yet another girl i connected with on this philippines trip who's in the running for title of cutest girl i ever fucked. richia was not too far behind in that race, so i moved on to her, though it was more a matter of her fucking me than me fucking her. she lay prone on top of me, her tall body covering mine as she ground her pussy on my dick, giving herself (judging by the perspiration) and my cock a real workout. we climaxed with me fucking her missionary as i clutched her juicy butt cheeks, her squealing punctuating the moment.

while fulfilling, this was not my all-time threesome / group sex session (or even all-time philippines threesome, which happened two years ago at sylvanus massage parlor in quezon city, manila). about halfway through the interaction became one-on-one sexual couplings, rather than a multi-partner interconnection. and the lesbian aspect was minimal; that's one area in which pattaya probably has it over angeles, with the girls of devil's den willing and able to go down on their female partners. that all said, it was a big splash for my last night, and i was very grateful to mafe for her efforts in setting it up after things with her other friend fell through. now i was i was ready to spend the remaining hours of my trip alone with mafe. this derived from my genuine affection for her, but part of it was practical; based on past experience i found that the 'sleeping in the bed with multiple girls' fantasy has its drawbacks in reality (bed space, bathroom crowding, etc.) , and i needed to keep things simple on the night before my departure.

after giselle and richia departed mafe and i got cleaned up to go out on the town, since it was my last night in angeles. we enjoyed barhopping at tropix, where they seemed to have some sort of big booty night show on stage, including one luscious girl of african heritage. that seemed to be theme of the night, since the bar where we ended the night, coyote, also had a black girl on stage. (guys, beware if you find yourself passing coyote, as the waitresses take no prisoners in hauling guys in off the street!). i thought coyote had some nice looking girls in the mix for a small place, including one busty short girl with a latina look; i tried not to be too obvious in my staring with mafe sitting beside me. she had a good time herself, getting up on stage to dance at one point. we were exhausted when we got back to the hotel, and got some sleep to energize for our last morning together.

when we woke mafe was in the mood for her usual breakfast. i was happy to oblige, fucking her flat doggystyle as she lay on her stomach. the early morning light again proved useful for photos. following another kokomos breakfast i got packed and we were pleased to discover a spare hour before my pickup for the swagman bus to manila. we used the time to the fullest, culminating in mafe giving me an especially nice blowjob and taking another cumshot on her face.

after showering together and getting dressed we exchanged contacts and shared warm hugs and kisses. mafe came downstairs with me and i pulled her close for a last kiss as the swagman bus shuttle waited. mafe was probably a little too emotionally intense for me on this three-day, four-night trip to angeles city, but on the whole i remember her and the girlfriend experience she gave me with fondness.

[WestCoast1]

Buttita, great set of reports. You got quite the AC-experience! Your 'newb' experiences were the same ones we all experience on a first visit, learn from, and not repeat. For other gents planning your first trip, don't tell the ladies in the bar that its your first trip; that gives them reason to play you more for gifts and tips. Normally AC bargirls don't ask for tips.

You mentioned that you were attempting to 3-some, and your girl (Mafe?) was trying to get one of her friends to go, but the friend already had a barfine. You had hoped she might ST her previous barfine, but questioned why she would do that for you. Several reasons she might do that for you come to mind:

1. She might not be attracted to the other guy;

2. She has a financial incentive to get out of his room quickly and come to your hotel (she gets her original barfine, plus an extra 500-1000+tip from you) ;

3. Consider that you, yourself, ST'd many girls, and other guys often do the same.

Again, great reports with good detail.

[Amjeck]

. Girls prefer Japanese over and above the almighty Koreans! Cause they are also big spenders, don't spend much time if any, screwing the girls, and are polite. Something you can not say about the arrogant impolite Koreans.Japanese are well favored all throughout SE Asia because they spend a lot of money! Their yen is ridiculously strong, and they don't mind spending it. They say "yes" to almost any amount requested from a working girls and they tip on top of that. They don't require a lot of time to orgasm, and their small cocks don't hurt the small pussies they are fucking. They also treat their working girls to nice meals at nice restaurants. They are very docile and extremely polite always avoiding any kind of confrontation.

They are the perfect walking ATM's. The machine is always well stocked, never breaks down, is easy to operate, and always dispenses crisp clean bills!

[Rodney64]

Morning featured a sweet reprise of the previous night's session with Melon. By the time she was dressed and heading out I was eager to be with her again, so we agreed that I would see her back at Gekko's when her shift began at 2PM. I attempted to recover some of my energy with a nap and an indulgent eggs benedict...Great report Ibn Buttita The best I read so far in this forum. You get right to the point about your experience there in AC You did this all by yourself and no onw help. I wouldn't mind hanging out with you one day if we meet in AC. I like how you chose your women and best on their attitude and looks. Nice report!

[Fast Eddie 48]

Well I first went to Thermae in the 1970's, and it was in a slightly different location and Baht200 all night. Last time I was there recently, it seemed mostly Korean, then Japanese then forlorn Westerners. The former two were scooping the pool.

Sorry I have a different take on the Japanese in Phils. Girls wouldn't even know what world war 2 was. Older Filipinos in 70's age range etc remember, and don't forgive, young ones don't know and don't care. Girls prefer Japanese over and above the almighty Koreans! Cause they are also big spenders, don't spend much time if any, screwing the girls, and are polite. Something you can not say about the arrogant impolite Koreans.

Japanese in Phils nowadays thin on the ground due to them running into lots of scams, robberies etc. They were a soft target for the criminal element in Phils. Their government instructed them around Mid 80's onwards, not to visit Philippines any more, and as you know the Japanese obey authority, so they moved over to safer Thailand. But Koreans are outnumbering Japanese both in Philippines and Thailand nowadays. Maybe something to do with their ever increasing prosperity. Got to hand it to them, Koreans they make great products, but not great wingmen LOL. All is not lost, we have other things neither of those two have, and I am not talking about big penises. The Korean success story will not last. They are the flavour now, but not forever. End of subject for me.To Sxxx.

I think the old Thermae located under the Ambassdor hotel in Bangkok before they moved in 1992, yes girl in PHIL like the Japanese because they are gentle and paid well, most older people that live during the world war II will tell their grand children about the Japanese kill many people during the war and that go the same in China most girl I talk to don't do Japanese and don't go with them, I was in a small town in Hunan 2 month ago there are a big bar st and I saw a sign that said no Japanese dog can enter in english yes after the infamouse Japanese orgy raid in Zhu hai many Japanese are a target by scam and police bust so they just keep a low profile or just go to Thailand.

Fast Eddie 48

[Ekspat]

Indeed great reports, thanks, and fun to read! But how much time it costs to write that all up!

Use your time better with the girls, have fun, better take small notes and write huge reports later when back home! Just for consideration?

Enjoy!

[Sxxxx]

. yes girl in PHIL like the Japanese because .Agree, and Chinese are different case. They will not forget or forgive the Japanese, and will pass it on to children, grandchildren. Koreans seem tougher, less inclined to be duped and so maybe they will outlast the Japanese for example in Philippines. Koreans are unpopular with Filipino males and any female who has worked for them, in a regular job. Hard task masters.

For sure Koreans are favoured at Thermae, Westerners can only sit and watch them scoop up the pretty ones. Thermae started by Americans many years ago, Vietnam are ' and are era, now 'owned' by the Koreans and Japanese. Also saw some Russian types at Thermae last time. They were approaching the Koreans but not the Westerners. It does not affect me personally, but forlorn faces at Thermae, as they exit empty handed, is evidence it affects some Westerners. Next Beer Garden for the Koreans, LOL.

End of this subject for me. Cheers.

[Ibn Buttita]

Thanks for the kind words and tips; I would love to get back to AC soon. Yes, the reports did take a while to write, but I put them together once I returned to normal life, where unfortunately I don't have Filipinas monopolizing my time!

[Cherry2000]

Thanks for the kind words and tips; I would love to get back to AC soon. Yes, the reports did take a while to write, but I put them together once I returned to normal life, where unfortunately I don't have Filipinas monopolizing my time!Nice report.

I've only been back in Australia for two weeks now and after reading your travel experience I'm thirsting to be back there like Right Now

[MassaCure]

My my my does that look familar WOW! Lyca is just great fun and a lot more that a 7 to me because of the fun factor. She is older that the other girls, mid 30's but makes it up with her charm and personaliy. We were laughing and gigling the whole time together. When I return she will be on my hit list.

Thanks for the intro fellow inmate.Very nice woman, she looks alot more attractive in person than she does in the pictures. I smashed a few times in September.

[Greek Niko]

Someone asked for the Dental info in Angeles.

Dr. Aleli B De Guzman is at 149 Fields Ave.

Her number is (045) 625-6144.

You can make an appointment but its more fun to just show up.

She cleaned my teeth to get rid of the muck from Afghanistan for approx. 200 pesos. Great gal and excellent job on my teeth.

While waiting for her, I met a hot Mammasan and 4 of her girls. I got their numbers for some encounters but I was rather really busy on my trip there.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Someone asked for the Dental info in Angeles.

Dr. Aleli B De Guzman is at 149 Fields Ave.

Her number is (045) 625-6144.

You can make an appointment but its more fun to just show up.

She cleaned my teeth to get rid of the muck from Afghanistan for approx. 200 pesos. Great gal and excellent job on my teeth.

While waiting for her, I met a hot Mammasan and 4 of her girls. I got their numbers for some encounters but I was rather really busy on my trip there.To Greek.

Jezz Greek you don't waste any time picking up girl in the Dentist office, did your dentist offer you any other cleaning service when you are there.

Fast Eddie 48

[Greek Niko]

To Greek.

Jezz Greek you don't waste any time picking up girl in the Dentist office, did your dentist offer you any other cleaning service when you are there.

Fast Eddie 48LOL soon as I get out of Afghan is stinking stan- It's On! I am a 1 man fucking machine, with one thing and one thing only on the mind. I think the sexual prowlness I display is picked up easily by the girls as they are receptive to my lust. As far as the Doc, I would in a heartbeat, but won't mix business with pleasure. She is an elegant lady and a great Dentist. Tell her Niko says Hi and I will bring more chocolate next time hehehe there is a method to my madness.

[Hesekiels]

Morning featured a sweet reprise of the previous .Truly great reports, Shakespeare! Many thanks! However, you might consider to publish a "Lonely Planet. F*cking in AC"! Just an idea! .

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[Robbaf]

To Matius

Wow 4000 peso barfined that is a outrage it been over a year since I been to AC, the most I paid for a barfined at AC is 1500 p 2 yr ago at blue nile, I really don't see barfined going to 4000 p who will go to AC they can just stay in Manila or go some where else, AC don't have alot to offer other than cheap p4p I was planning a trip end of the yr but change my plan going to Bali there are nice beach there. If I am going to paid high price I am going to some place nice not a shit hole like AC.

Fast Eddie 48The 4000P barfine is to keep the girls in the bars. With the number of idiots buying double ladies drinks the bars and girl make more money then going barfine.

Robb

[WestCoast1]

The 4000P barfine is to keep the girls in the bars. With the number of idiots buying double ladies drinks the bars and girl make more money then going barfine.

RobbYes, each purchase of a LD increases bar profit, decreases the chance the the lady will EWR tonight, and tempts the bar to raise its barfine price. Few people see this, as you will notice almost every girl sitting with a foreigner in the AC bars has a drink in her hand.

[Slippery]

Yes, each purchase of a LD increases bar profit, decreases the chance the the lady will EWR tonight, and tempts the bar to raise its barfine price. Few people see this, as you will notice almost every girl sitting with a foreigner in the AC bars has a drink in her hand.If she even gets bar fined at all

[WestCoast1]

If she even gets bar fined at allCorrect.

Robb has a good point. Its not for lowly me to tell others not to buy LD's for the girls. For some guys, partying with pretty girls IS the juice. For other guys, they are too shy to just tell the bargirl what they want, so he has to sit and ply her with LD's and screw up his courage. And for other guys, he must feel a "chemistry", which requires spending half an hour or an hour chatting her up, which the bar and the girl won't let happen without LD's. And for some guys, they think the girl must also feel some "chemistry".

Please ignore all of that psychology. Concentrate on economics. If you are the girl, each LD keeps you one step closer from feeling the need to barfine tonight. She'd rather earn 400-800 in LD's than barfine and make 750-1000 w / tip. Only in the high-end places does the EWR work out better for her.

If you are the bar owner, each LD purchased not only profits the bar directly from the drink price, it also makes the girl less likely to barfine, keeping her in the bar all night and closer to the more profitable LD purchases. Why would you want her to go out on EWR for your p750 profit (1500ewr) , when she can get hit by several big-spenders on double LD's for the evening, making the bar even more? Remember, the stuff in the glass costs the owner very little (a regular drink for you at p80 or 100 is high profit, and a LD at 180 is gold). This would allow you, in the long run, to raise your EWR price (you know guys will be more likely to buy LD's and not leave with the girl). The pretty girls who get LD's he wants for booze money, the plain girls are there for EWR.

[FurryFriend]

If you are the bar owner, each LD purchased not only profits the bar directly from the drink price, it also makes the girl less likely to barfine, keeping her in the bar all night and closer to the more profitable LD purchases.A way bars can maximize revenue is for a girl to sell LDs until about 3:00am and then have her get barfined.

I wouldn't be surprised if bars would start offering "reservation barfines". In this barfine arrangement, the patron pays to barfine a girl but has to come back at 3:00am to get her. She can still talk to other patrons, sell LDs, and even go short-time with them. But she's yours from 3:00am onwards.

If I were a bar owner, I'd even experiment with a barfine auction system. Patrons can submit their bids (and must pay immediately). The highest bidder at 3:00am gets her. The losing bidders get their money back plus a free drink. Of course, this only applies to the girls in highest demand.

[WestCoast1]

A way bars can maximize revenue is for a girl to sell LDs until about 3:00am and then have her get barfined.Many girls keep a minimum peso number in mind (I get this from a mamsan) , if she hits that number during the evening, she's no longer interested in barfining (she knows she will not be getting the ewr money). For instance, if she can make 400 from LD's, she will not want to barfine that night (which is another 800 in her pocket). Many bargirls would rather earn money staying in the bar, rather than risk disease, pregnancy, or an abusive guy. If she earns nothing, or 150, from LD's from chatting gents (or not being called off the dance line at all) , she might be quick to barfine. On the other hand, if she barfined last night, and got a big tip, she might not at all be interested in EWR. Pinay are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, they often don't look an entire week ahead to see what bills need to be paid. They wait until the last possible moment, then have a small heart attack over owing money to someone, then do the desperate thing to get the money.


I wouldn't be surprised if bars would start offering "reservation barfines". In this barfine arrangement, the patron pays to barfine a girl but has to come back at 3:00am to get her. She can still talk to other patrons, sell LDs, and even go short-time with them. But she's yours from 3:00am onwards.This is done all the time. Watch and you will see a group of japanese or korean guys walk in (say. 8pm) , chat up the mamasan and she will call a few girls over. The guys pay the barfine (4 guys. 4 girls) , then leave without the girls, and come back and pick up the girls at a pre-determined time (say. 1am) [If you walk into the bar after the koreans leave and buy one of those 'taken' girls a drink, she will let you buy her drinks all night long. If you then suggest EWR, only then will she tell you that she's already barfined]. This gives the korean guys time to go drinking in other bars (and spreading LD's along the way) , then coming back to pick up the girls, go out drinking with them even more, and then maybe (maybe) taking the girls back to their rooms or cutting them loose. A mama in Body Shop and another in Geckos both described this: Group of guys walks in and starts buying different girls LD's. Sit for 2-3 hours rotating girls. One of the girls, or the mama, asks if they would like to EWR some of the girls."No. Already we have barfine girls from Xxxxx bar tonight. We get them later." That group leaves and another similar group walks in. The mamas tell me the oriental gents have no problem dropping p10k or more as a group in a few hours without barfining anyone (sometimes every drink is a double) , and they will come in several nights in a row. They also tell me the korean guys barfine the girls early, come pick them up later, take the girls out drinking and eating, then most of the guys turn the girl loose, after only 2 hours, no hotel time. Seems silly to me to barfine one girl, go to other bars and buy 6 other girls double LD's, go back and pick up the first girl, take her out drinking in other bars, then cut her loose and go back to my room alone. But, this is their thing.


If I were a bar owner, I'd even experiment with a barfine auction system. Patrons can submit their bids (and must pay immediately). The highest bidder at 3:00am gets her. The losing bidders get their money back plus a free drink. Of course, this only applies to the girls in highest demand.Neat idea. Is there a minimum bid?

[Amjeck]

They also tell me the korean guys barfine the girls early, come pick them up later, take the girls out drinking and eating, then most of the guys turn the girl loose, after only 2 hours, no hotel time. Seems silly to me to barfine one girl, go to other bars and buy 6 other girls double LD's, go back and pick up the first girl, take her out drinking in other bars, then cut her loose and go back to my room alone. But, this is their thing.It sounds like typical rich asian guy shit. It was better when these guys couldn't afford to monger. They simply have way too much money to burn and don't know how to use money as a weapon against pussy.

[WestCoast1]

It sounds like typical rich asian guy shit. It was better when these guys couldn't afford to monger. They simply have way too much money to burn and don't know how to use money as a weapon against pussy.Yes. As we've discussed before, each purchased LD tends to drive prices up in various ways. Rich groups of guys (of any persuasion) headed out drinking all night (good for them!) , unfortunately, are often buying many LD's, causing the girls to tend to not want to EWR. This is roughly akin to the movie industry. You might think they make a lot of money from the movie tickets (they do) , but they make more from food sales. The theater-joke in the motion-pic industry is: "Gosh, where can we put up a building where we can sell our own brand of over-priced popcorn (the highest-profit item) and junk-food, get the lawmakers to pass a law that prevents patrons from bringing their own snacks in, so we can make gobs of money? And oh my, almost forgot! We'll build some seats and screens to show movies (that we don't produce) that make us oodles of money? Wouldn't that be the bomb? I know! We'll call it a THEATER!"

Over-priced alcohol is the monger's bane, and the bar-owner and bargirl's dream-come-true.

[FurryFriend]

Neat idea. Is there a minimum bid?I would start the bid at P1500.


Rich groups of guys (of any persuasion) headed out drinking all night (good for them!) , unfortunately, are often buying many LD's, causing the girls to tend to not want to EWR.I consider myself a budget traveler. But if rich guys want to splurge, then more power to them. The super hottest girls do deserve higher compensation.

I think this discussion pretty much resolves the argument over whether girls are on Fields for "nice guys" or "money".


It sounds like typical rich asian guy shit. It was better when these guys couldn't afford to monger. They simply have way too much money to burn and don't know how to use money as a weapon against pussy.I hope you see the irony in your post.

Historically, White guys can outspend the Pinoys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with white guys.

Now, Korean guys can overspend the white guys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with Korean guys.

It's all about where you are in the pecking order.

[X Man]

Thank you for exposing the elephant in the room FF. I couldn't help chuckling at you succient summarization of the situation. (were there too many s-words in that sentence. Seriously?)

Of course there is the English language which give us native speakers some advantages. But in the end, we have a very dynamic situation which we can't change. Well, that's not entirely true. We can share information and make the best of things. X.


I would start the bid at P1500.

I consider myself a budget traveler. But if rich guys want to splurge, then more power to them. The super hottest girls do deserve higher compensation.

I think this discussion pretty much resolves the argument over whether girls are on Fields for "nice guys" or "money".

I hope you see the irony in your post.

Historically, White guys can outspend the Pinoys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with white guys.

Now, Korean guys can overspend the white guys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with Korean guys.

It's all about where you are in the pecking order.

[Gangles]

And it does not take much savvy to look ahead for a short while. There are more and kmore millionaires in China, Korea, and India. Also a desperate shortage of women in China.

So within a few years Asians will be outspending white guys in all of the usual venues. We will be the poor white trash.

Start thinking new opportunities, like Cambodia etc. But I guess they are there too.

Surrounded.

G.


I would start the bid at P1500.

I consider myself a budget traveler. But if rich guys want to splurge, then more power to them. The super hottest girls do deserve higher compensation.

I think this discussion pretty much resolves the argument over whether girls are on Fields for "nice guys" or "money".

I hope you see the irony in your post.

Historically, White guys can outspend the Pinoys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with white guys.

Now, Korean guys can overspend the white guys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with Korean guys.

It's all about where you are in the pecking order.

[Mc Don]

I think most of the stuff written about them outspending us is actually wrong. What we have here is mostly white guys budget travellers observing Korean 'big spenders'. Most of those guys especially in AC actually work there and you would have seen them on their once or twice a month night out. The few tourists that are there are only for few days rather than weeks like most of the white folks. They are budget too but due to short time in phils they spend more then us on average. Their REAL big spenders don't shop around perimeter or fields, you will find them in Dunk Shot Music Lounge where they try hard to get the attention of the philipina porcelain dolls. What you also don't see and is happening behind scenes are the real high roller white spenders. Look around ABC and LGH next time and have a look at who stays there. I have bar hooped with few VIP ABC guests that drop 100K on drinks, throwing money (but not small bills like the Koreans or the japs) , balls and what else not in less than an hour. I know one guy that is there EVERY WEEKEND that barfines cheery girls ONLY and pays them between 150K and 250K. Just about every girl in AC knows him. He has been doing it for years. You should see his Christmas AC party, I am sure those lucky few that have attended know what I am talking about. People here talk about 3K bar fine for few spotlight dancers in some of the 'big' bars. 3K barfine has been standard bf in Love and Music for years now. The pool bar inside the ABC has had it for years too. Again almost all ABC VIP 95% white folk barfine there. There is lot more that happens but you need to know where to look guys. There is a very high class scene in AC that happens outside the bars. I am talking room service.

As for the Koreans and the Asians and their barfining please note that many of them are NEW to the game and are learning. Last year I had a chat to couple of Chinese guys in MBC that were way overpaying because thats what they were paying in HK and Macao. They just didn't know.

I don't mind them barfining early infect I use to get kicks out of picking up already barfined girls in the past LOL. If you know the mamasan in the bar and the girl is already barfined you can get a good discount if you want real short time (just specify you will bring the girl back in 1 hour rather than the usual 3 or so). Most of the time I would still keep the girl for 3-4 hrs and buy a drink to mamasan next time I see her.

Bottom line is they are here to stay so learn to live with them. Live and let live I say.

[ManonsanBoy]

. Room service.

As for the Koreans and the Asians and their barfining please note that many of them are NEW to the game and are learning. Last year I had a chat to couple of Chinese guys in MBC that were way overpaying because thats what they were paying in HK and Macao. They just didn't know.

Bottom line is they are here to stay so learn to live with them. Live and let live I say.What a sensible post. A similar experience in southern China to bar fine a high end Angeles (I. E. Around 100-200 USD) costs 200-300 USD. In Shanghai and Beijing. 3-10 times more. The al cheapo bf, say 1300 peso plus tip 100 will get you a 50 min f* in less than salubrious surroundings.

Enjoy.

[Chocha Monger]

All of this discussion about Koreans and other Asians taking over the Angeles City monger scene ignores external factors that will transform the bar scene and the demographics of those seeking flesh there. When taken into consideration these factors indicate that the Asians will replace Westerners not by outspending them but rather as a natural consequence of these external pressures.

It costs more in time and money for Westerners to travel to AC than it does for Asians who are much closer geographically. According to the Wall Street Journal's Market Watch, the average price of air fare for international flights went up 23 percent between 2009 and 2010. Prices are expected to increase as jet fuel continues to get more expensive. Reduced capacity and fewer flights will continue to inflate ticket prices along with added fees.

The increasing cost of travel combined with a troubled Western economy and job market means fewer Westerners will be willing or able to travel for sex. Asians will move in to fill the void. The current meat market model of Angeles bars will also change to suit the habits and appetites of the new patrons as less and less sex starved white clientele show up. The Philippine authorities will continue to serve as a catalyst for this change with increasing raids on the bars.

The Philippines seeks closer military ties with the US as China continues to flex its muscles in the South China Sea. This military aid is tied to the recipient's demonstration of aggressive action against sex trafficking. Angeles City bars make a highly visible and convenient target for the authorities to show their resolve in this respect. Therefore the bars will eventually move away from the current way of doing business and the mongering scene will undergo a transformation to something where sex is no longer the main commodity on sale. The internet will replace the bar as the venue where sexual bargains are made.

[D Cups]

All this talk about barfine. I never barfine. I get her phone number and have her come over before or after work. Why make the bar owner rich? Bar fine is ridiculous.


If she even gets bar fined at all

[Fast Eddie 48]

All this talk about barfine. I never barfine. I get her phone number and have her come over before or after work. Why make the bar owner rich? Bar fine is ridiculous.To D cup,

I agree with D cup there are many way to get girl without barfine you can meet girl at the Mall, shop, disco and DIA you can also meet girl at internet cafe, you can deal with the girl direct no money upfront and no cut to the bar, it is so easy to just walk up to a girl in PI and ask them to joint you for lunch.

Fast Eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

What a sensible post. A similar experience in southern China to bar fine a high end Angeles (I. E. Around 100-200 USD) costs 200-300 USD. In Shanghai and Beijing. 3-10 times more. The al cheapo bf, say 1300 peso plus tip 100 will get you a 50 min f* in less than salubrious surroundings.

Enjoy.To Manonsanboy,

You don't see too many Chinese from Mainland China monger in AC there are not many even in Manila, the Chinese that you see in AC are from oversea and Singapore, there are enough cheap p4p in China for them and the rich Chinese will go to Macau and Thailand to bang the model and the Hongerkonger are boycott PI.

Fast Eddie 48

[Ekspat]

Bottom line is they are here to stay so learn to live with them. Live and let live I say.Excellent, McDon. Fully agreed!

Greetings from Cebu!

[Ekspat]

Therefore the bars will eventually move away from the current way of doing business and the mongering scene will undergo a transformation to something where sex is no longer the main commodity on sale.Right, my opinion as well. The bars move away from the flesh market style towards an entertainment venue. It's happening already.

Like it or leave it seems to be the choice.

Cheers!

[FurryFriend]

As for the Koreans and the Asians and their barfining please note that many of them are NEW to the game and are learning.No way it's a newbie mistake.

When you were in Angeles City for the first time, were you racking up P10, 000 bar tabs due to ignorance? I wasn't.

Granted, newbies may overpay for trike rides, hotels and on tipping. But the level of spending by Koreans goes wayyyy beyond newbie mistakes.


I think most of the stuff written about them outspending us is actually wrong. What we have here is mostly white guys budget travellers observing Korean 'big spenders'.Surely, it's not just Korean guys overspending. Plenty of white tourists are too.

But let's cut the bullshit. Of course your average Asian spends more than your average white guy. If you go to the Primeter at night, you will see few Korean guys. They're usually in the mega bars where drinks and barfines are more expensive. And look at their tables. It's filled with alcohol. Those drinks aren't just for themselves. They're inviting multiple girls offstage. You frequently see a table of 4 Korean men with 9 girls. How many white guys are entertaining more than 1 girl at a time?

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Here's why Korean guys are spending so much.

- The average American spends $1, 300 roundtrip on airfare to the Philippines. According to CebuPacific's website, I can fly Seoul to Manila for $320 rountdrip. If you had an extra $1, 000, you'd also have a higher appetite for spending.

- I just checked historic currency rates. Three years ago, it was 49 pesos to the dollar. Today it's 43. The dollar lost 15% of it's value in three years. I checked the South Korean won against the Philippine Peso. It's pretty much the same these last three years.

- The unemployment rate in the United States is 9. 0. The rate for South Korea is 3. 7. Nuff said about the relative strength of both economies.

- South Korea sends more tourists to the Philippines than any other country, even more than the United States (even though the US population is 7 times greater than South Korea's). This shows that a broad spectrum of South Korean society (rich or poor) views Philippines favorably as a travel destination. In contrast, Americans see the Philippines mostly for budget tourism. As such, the Philippines (and Angeles City) attract mostly American budget tourists while upscale American tourist are heading to more expensive Asian locales like Hong Kong or Japan instead.

If you think folks from South Korea have invaded the Philippines, just wait for China. China has 1. 2 billion people (South Korea only has 48 million) and the country's GDP is growing by 9% (5% is considered "booming"). Eventually, enough Chinese will ascend into the middle class and will start traveling and whoring in massive numbers.

Welcome to the "Asian Century".

Fortunately, I believe the supply of girls will always exceed demand. The rate for first-tier girls will eventually become unaffordable for most. But that constitutes only 10-20% of the girls in Angeles City.

[Mc Don]

FurryFriend, maybe you should speak to the Koreans or the girls about them rather then assume things. Most of the tourists stay 3-4 days an extended weekend because its cheaper for them to get there. Yes they spend a bit more at the bar because they are there to enjoy themselves not everyone enjoys fucking all the time. When I am with a group of friends I do the same, its like a bucks party. Is that so bad? I bar fine multiple times during the day, I have my first jack and coke with my breakfast in the pool bar. I will buy ladies drinks if I like a girl, I don't care if she is cheery or not even if I don't intend to barfine her, I like touching and playing with them and I don't consider 150 peso big money. All my friends do the same too. To each his own. The level of spending as you put it goes by the amount of disposable income one has and the what he considers value for money in terms of entertainment. I don't see any enjoyment in cam shows for instance but hey there are guys out there that spend big on that too. Whatever floats their boat I say.

Another thing you are forgetting is that most white big spenders in phils earn their cash in Asia too. High end is expats leaving in Singapore, Japan, HK, China, Taiwan and they are not just american but european and ausies too. I live in Australia but I make my money largely thanks to asia. I am not affected by any of those figures there infect unlike the americans and koreans my australian dollar has done well compared to the peso. Has that changed my spending habits? NO I am the same guy and monger the same in AC as in Burgos, Singapore, Amsterdam or Vegas. I drink because I like to drink not because the price is cheaper in AC. If I buy anyone a drink its because I like to do so. You will find that the high spenders in phils come to phils BECAUSE they LIKE phils not because it cheap or convenient.

You need to understand that fun is not always just cheap barfine and keeping everything and everyone in tack. No wonder why some girls knock back some punters out there. Guys need to loosen up, buying 2 extra drinks a night on a two week holiday accounts to less the $70 if you can't afford that then I suggest you read up on Cambodia or look at small indo towns where you can actually get even more bang for your buck.

As for the Chinese invasion LOL, don't know if you were around the forums when the Russian inversion was discussed. I am still struggling to cope with the aftermath. Lucky for me I prefer the brown beauties that you can find in abundance in phils and other places while they prefer the porcelain skin types LOL.

Don't worry about the pussy market its always been there it will always be there, I say concentrate on making money so you have more to spend.

Happy mongering. I am off to AC tomorrow. I fly via Bali and Singapore and even though in both places there is a cool scene I am rushing to get to AC before the koreans and the Chinese take over. C ya around.

Ekspet let me know if you are around. I will be in AC and Manila most likely until the 10th then Bohol and Cebu before leaving for Bangkok and Jakarta.

[Ekspat]

Ekspet let me know if you are around. I will be in AC and Manila most likely until the 10th then Bohol and Cebu before leaving for Bangkok and Jakarta.McDon, I'm currently on a 5-weeks trip through Asia, started in Phuket, via BKK, Macau, HK, MNL, this week is Cebu and my final week will be AC from 4th to 10th. My phone# is still samesame.

Anyone else around for a SMB? Robb, you maybe?

[Copenhagen]

All this talk about barfine. I never barfine. I get her phone number and have her come over before or after work. Why make the bar owner rich? Bar fine is ridiculous.What a brillant idea. I sort of tried to do that but the girl to my surprise wanted me to come and pick her up from the bar even though she understood that she would get to keep all the money. I wonder why.

Of cause the bars provide some sort of safety for the girls. Also money wise. On days with no costumers they get a minimum salary. And I believe she was afraid to lose that income in case the bar would find out about it. Or maybe it's something the girls do to help each other to bring in business. Because it's easier or safer to make a living from LD and the base-payment than going to hotels.

She had already been with me and we had a good time so she knew I'm not a (sex) monster.

Can you think of other reasons for not daring to do business without involving the bar?

/CPH

[X Man]

I sometimes get grief when I suggest,"you didn't give us enough information to answer the question".

So, my short answer makes some assumptions. You barfined her and loved it and wanted the next night at some sort of discount or wanted to cut out the bar and possibly give her more. I've been there and done that. The problem is. If she barfined, she needs to be back in the bar the next night or she gets a penalty. I assume there is an exception if she has already asked for and / or is scheduled for a day off.

There are about 1001 different variations here, and you obviously have considered a few. X.


What a brillant idea. I sort of tried to do that but the girl to my surprise wanted me to come and pick her up from the bar even though she understood that she would get to keep all the money. I wonder why.

Of cause the bars provide some sort of safety for the girls. Also money wise. On days with no costumers they get a minimum salary. And I believe she was afraid to lose that income in case the bar would find out about it. Or maybe it's something the girls do to help each other to bring in business. Because it's easier or safer to make a living from LD and the base-payment than going to hotels.

She had already been with me and we had a good time so she knew I'm not a (sex) monster.

Can you think of other reasons for not daring to do business without involving the bar?

/CPH

[FurryFriend]

Can you think of other reasons for not daring to do business without involving the bar?He's one. The girl prefers to get paid upfront, which she gets when barfined. If a patron goes outside the bars, she gets nothing if he reneges or pays less than agreed.

Here's another reason. The highly desirable girls want whales, guys who drop serious bank who dish out big tips. Some might even want to get barfined multiple days. Guys who suggest bypassing the bars are essentially advertising his thriftiness who want to pay as little as possible (if he weren't, why not just pay the barfine?). If you were a really hot girl, one where patrons are paying P3000 barfine + P2000 tips, would you save yourself for him or a penny pincher?

Here's yet another. I'm sure the bars and the mamasan impose a revenue quota for the girls to meet. They're running a business and would be foolish not to. Every time a girl forsakes a barfine, she risks missing the quota and getting booted.

Ultimately, I'm sure the girl gets in serious trouble for bypassing the bars and few would risk it.

Besides, if I were a patron, I would want the girl NOW, not wait until her shift ends at 5:00am or God-knows-when (while hoping another patron wouldn't barfine her). I can't be bothered with saving a few hundred pesos doing this, especially since I'm in town for only a few days. Time is money.

[Mc Don]

What a brillant idea. I sort of tried to do that but the girl to my surprise wanted me to come and pick her up from the bar even though she understood that she would get to keep all the money. I wonder why.

Of cause the bars provide some sort of safety for the girls. Also money wise. On days with no costumers they get a minimum salary. And I believe she was afraid to lose that income in case the bar would find out about it. Or maybe it's something the girls do to help each other to bring in business. Because it's easier or safer to make a living from LD and the base-payment than going to hotels.

She had already been with me and we had a good time so she knew I'm not a (sex) monster.

Can you think of other reasons for not daring to do business without involving the bar?

/CPH1. Girl lives in bar accomodation or shares room / place with other bargirls from the same bar that WILL dob her in to mamasan. Always hunt for local girls for something like that or older independent girls rather then young.

2. She is young and new and doesn't understand that she is the MONEYMAKER not her mamasan. The young fear the mamasan while the seasoned pro respects the cash and cash only.

3. Job security. If she is single mum with few options to find paid work you bet your ass she won't risk her job. One thing I find interesting most girls bond and have friends and rarely change bars even if offered better salary or can see more oportunities. Many times I have spoken to perimetar girls that can make killing on fields but they would rather stick to their bar. They simply don't see it as a worthwhile risk if all you want is for them to skip the barfine for one night. Offer them few nights in manila and see how that changes.

Perimetar girls finish up around midnight. There are lot of them that live far, I know few that live past San Fernado and take up to 5 jeepneys to get home. Figure out a way to spot them and you can have your long time for 500 peso. They will stay with you up to 2 pm when the start work once again. I did this quite often on my last trip and I intend to do it again on this one. Good luck.

[Sammon]

I would not ask for a girl's phone number in the bar because I would not want to incur the risk of getting her fired on account of me saving 100 pesos for a drink. If I am going to take down phone numbers of girls it will be back in the hotel after I have barfined them. Part of a girl's responsibility while working at a bar is to make money for the bar, ultimately the reason for her being there. I am not one to support bar owners, but if she is going to be disloyal to her employer why would she be any different with the monger that is trying to get her to shirk her responsibilities?The girls are more worried about the snitches. One time while the girl was playing around with my cell phone she inserted her phone number. Then this girl asks me if the other girl gave me her number. Ofcourse I denied it. The bargirls for some reason very jealous of each other. Most will be more than willing to spend the night with you off hours if they are not living in their bar dormitory. Reason is obvious.

[Amjeck]

All this talk about barfine. I never barfine. I get her phone number and have her come over before or after work. Why make the bar owner rich? Bar fine is ridiculous.Do all the girls you try to get this way agree to it? What percentage say "no" to your offer? Are you trying for the hottest youngest girls on the market?

[Amjeck]

The increasing cost of travel combined with a troubled Western economy and job market means fewer Westerners will be willing or able to travel for sex. Asians will move in to fill the void.This is what happened in BKK. Nana and Cowboy used to have very few Asian mongers, but now they've slithered their way in.

[FurryFriend]

The girls are more worried about the snitches.Can you imagine the intense blackmail power the patron would have on the girl?

"You're going to bang me all night without sleep or I'll tell the bar and your mamasan that you've snuck out with me."

With this reason, and the reasons I revealed on post #9607, I doubt the high-demand girls are doing this in significant number in Angeles City. This risk versus reward equation doesn't make sense for her.

[Bundanko]

What a brillant idea. I sort of tried to do that but the girl to my surprise wanted me to come and pick her up from the bar even though she understood that she would get to keep all the money. I wonder why.

Of cause the bars provide some sort of safety for the girls. Also money wise. On days with no costumers they get a minimum salary. And I believe she was afraid to lose that income in case the bar would find out about it. Or maybe it's something the girls do to help each other to bring in business. Because it's easier or safer to make a living from LD and the base-payment than going to hotels.

She had already been with me and we had a good time so she knew I'm not a (sex) monster.

Can you think of other reasons for not daring to do business without involving the bar?

/CPHThe reason being it is not allowed by the management and the girl will be fired if it is found out. One girl I ever booked at Club Asia was fired by the management for the above crime.She was brought out by a previous customer without the bar fine. She is now at Golden Nile.

[D Cups]

Mongers: of course you have to be discrete when getting the number. Slip her YOUR # with time to meet.

Amjeck: Almost all I have approached do this. No, I don't always go for the "hottest youngest girls" but sometimes I do. I usually go for the cute thin ones with the big tits! The hot young ones are not always the best providers as everyone who has been arond knows.


Do all the girls you try to get this way agree to it? What percentage say "no" to your offer? Are you trying for the hottest youngest girls on the market?

[Frenzy3]

Unless the girl offers to meet you out side do not ask. It is better to barfine her once then get her number. You can meet her before or after her shift, but expect her to still get other guys and you be doing slops with the other monger if you get her after the shift.

[Chute]

I am sure that some of fellow mongers know this but let me just tell you that we do can get refund of barfine money from bars if the girls behave pretty bad or do not do what they promised to do.

Indeed, I occasionally do this, and I got 100% refund of barfine money on all occasions I asked.

Procedure is easy. Just take the girl back to the bar and complain and talk to mamasan.

You will get refunded (at least based on my own experience).

By the way, on all those occasions, I took the girl back to the bar without fucking her. For example, some girls do not want to fuck in the first place if possibel but just want to get barfine money for sure, so she will try hard not to come to my hotel by sticking to "let's go to more barhopping" and after that "let's go to Skytrack (field disco)" or just comes up with whatever excuse she can.

So I am not sure if we can still get refund after you fucked the girl like trying to ger refund after you used the purchased-product. Possible situation would be that the girls promised to stay until morining but left after just one session or a few hours. But I know that one of a veteran angeles mongers I know did get half of barfine money due to this situation (promised long-time turned out to be just an hour session).

I am not particularly encouraging other mongers to do this, but I am just made that way and my money is hard earned. That's for sure.

[ManonsanBoy]

To Manonsanboy,

You don't see too many Chinese from Mainland China monger in AC there are not many even in Manila, the Chinese that you see in AC are from oversea and Singapore, there are enough cheap p4p in China for them and the rich Chinese will go to Macau and Thailand to bang the model and the Hongerkonger are boycott PI.

Fast Eddie 48Not all that many Chinese speak english. AC would be difficult.

[Amjeck]

I am sure that some of fellow mongers know this but let me just tell you that we do can get refund of barfine money from bars if the girls behave pretty bad or do not do what they promised to do.

Indeed, I occasionally do this, and I got 100% refund of barfine money on all occasions I asked.

Procedure is easy. Just take the girl back to the bar and complain and talk to mamasan.

You will get refunded (at least based on my own experience).

By the way, on all those occasions, I took the girl back to the bar without fucking her. For example, some girls do not want to fuck in the first place if possibel but just want to get barfine money for sure, so she will try hard not to come to my hotel by sticking to "let's go to more barhopping" and after that "let's go to Skytrack (field disco)" or just comes up with whatever excuse she can.

So I am not sure if we can still get refund after you fucked the girl like trying to ger refund after you used the purchased-product. Possible situation would be that the girls promised to stay until morining but left after just one session or a few hours. But I know that one of a veteran angeles mongers I know did get half of barfine money due to this situation (promised long-time turned out to be just an hour session).

I am not particularly encouraging other mongers to do this, but I am just made that way and my money is hard earned. That's for sure.I've returned several girls (un-fucked) also, and have always gotten a full refund.

I've returned girls for the following reasons: bad attitude in the room, not completing sexual acts she promised to in the bar, not disclosing that she was a mother.

I'm all in favor of a win win scenario in AC. Never hesitate to stick up for yourself and your money in AC! I'm on the mongers side 100. We come across seas with money and looking for a good time. We should be able to get at least that for our efforts.

[Mahal]

Sorry, for this is just a venting post. A couple nights ago a guy who was sitting next to me at Valhalla Club at closing told one of the 2 girls he was holding to advise her friend as follows: "tell your friend I am going to spank her until she cries, then I am going to comfort her, then I am going to f* her mouth, ass, ears and anything in between, is that OK? I want her to know what to expect." The girl said that is fine, don't worry about my friend. I was heartbroken. I had spoken to this girl earlier and she was just so sweet.

In all fairness he did advise her and she did accept so one could invoke free will. But. Does anyone really believe it?

[Mahal]

Got a couple nice experiences taking out waitresses from the Dollhouse. Some of them look much better than the dancers and for some reason they may still be available even late at night. Check out Kaycee, miss Dollhouse 2011 waitress category.

Near miss with a quite beautiful girl at Q bar, her name is Silberjane, surely some mongers know her. 2 turnoffs for me. 1) she left the bar with a monger as I came in, and returned 45 minutes later after texting her friend several times to have me wait. That is nice but what kind of girl sends SMS while in bed with another monger and can get done so quicly to return to the bar. She would only do short time anyway because she "still had work to do" that night and 2) I found out she was only drinking juice because she has UTI. That kind of scared me out, I only found out later it is not contagious. Anyway better safe than sorry.

[Run Mann]

Sorry, for this is just a venting post. A couple nights ago a guy who was sitting next to me at Valhalla Club at closing told one of the 2 girls he was holding to advise her friend as follows: "tell your friend I am going to spank her until she cries, then I am going to comfort her, then I am going to f* her mouth, ass, ears and anything in between, is that OK? I want her to know what to expect." The girl said that is fine, don't worry about my friend. I was heartbroken. I had spoken to this girl earlier and she was just so sweet.

In all fairness he did advise her and she did accept so one could invoke free will. But. Does anyone really believe it?You're heartbroken because she willingly accepted and agreed to his terms? Some people endure much worse than that; at least she's being paid for it.

[WestCoast1]

That is nice but what kind of girl sends SMS while in bed with another monger and can get done so quicly to return to the bar. She would only do short time anyway because she "still had work to do" that nightAll of them?

[WestCoast1]

Sorry, for this is just a venting post. A couple nights ago a guy who was sitting next to me at Valhalla Club at closing told one of the 2 girls he was holding to advise her friend as follows: "tell your friend I am going to spank her until she cries, then I am going to comfort her, then I am going to f* her mouth, ass, ears and anything in between, is that OK? I want her to know what to expect." The girl said that is fine, don't worry about my friend. I was heartbroken. I had spoken to this girl earlier and she was just so sweet.

In all fairness he did advise her and she did accept so one could invoke free will. But. Does anyone really believe it?Yes. More than once have rec'd PM here on the board when I discussing a girl with a message like: "I had her two weeks ago. Wow how did you get her to do THAT? She was so sweet and simple." I asked, in the bar, that's how."Honey can you do mouth, pussy, ass, swallow cum, no condom, spanking, pics in my camera, have sex with another girl, and stay until 10am?" To which the response was: "Yes of course its my job. Already you have other girl or you want other girl this bar?" All without bothering with LD. Talking 'specifics' to bargirls is akin to talking about your radiator to your car mechanic. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

[X Man]

Where do English speakers use "doing slops"? Most American I know use "sloppy seconds".


Unless the girl offers to meet you out side do not ask. It is better to barfine her once then get her number. You can meet her before or after her shift, but expect her to still get other guys and you be doing slops with the other monger if you get her after the shift.

[Mr Enternational]

Yes. More than once have rec'd PM here on the board when I discussing a girl with a message like: "I had her two weeks ago. Wow how did you get her to do THAT? She was so sweet and simple." I asked, in the bar, that's how."Honey can you do mouth, pussy, ass, swallow cum, no condom, spanking, pics in my camera, have sex with another girl, and stay until 10am?" To which the response was: "Yes of course its my job. Already you have other girl or you want other girl this bar?" All without bothering with LD. Talking 'specifics' to bargirls is akin to talking about your radiator to your car mechanic. Like shooting fish in a barrel.Seems like you need to open a school for these Mongers In Training.

[Frenzy3]

Seems like you need to open a school for these Mongers In Training.It not just what you say to girls but how, fake it and they know. You can also tell the fakes on the forums while they dream about it others are doing it. No school can teach them.

[Mahal]

All of them?Thanks for your comments all, I see your points, don't particularly care for the patronizing tone of some but oh well. I just don't think the fact that these girls get frequently abused makes it right, but if you do good for you. As I know they have few options and refusing a customer is not well accepted by mamasans or the club. I have gotten close to a few of them over the years, many of them are not perverts, just simple girls from the countryside who need money. Anyway that is a pointless debate so forget about it, again thanks for your comments.

BTW I have never allowed a phone in my bed! Mahal

[Mc Don]

Sorry, for this is just a venting post. A couple nights ago a guy who was sitting next to me at Valhalla Club at closing told one of the 2 girls he was holding to advise her friend as follows: "tell your friend I am going to spank her until she cries, then I am going to comfort her, then I am going to f* her mouth, ass, ears and anything in between, is that OK? I want her to know what to expect." The girl said that is fine, don't worry about my friend. I was heartbroken. I had spoken to this girl earlier and she was just so sweet.

In all fairness he did advise her and she did accept so one could invoke free will. But. Does anyone really believe it?LOL maybe you should learn from this guy and perhaps next time try and act up one of your own fantasies rather then get attached to the entertainment. Everyone falls for bar girl here and there but to be heartbroken or keep them in such a high regard is crazy. You do realise that there are assholes outthere that make the girls tattoo their names, burn then, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on them and do far worse then what you just described.

[Mc Don]

Near miss with a quite beautiful girl at Q bar, her name is Silberjane, surely some mongers know her. 2 turnoffs for me. 1) she left the bar with a monger as I came in, and returned 45 minutes later after texting her friend several times to have me wait. That is nice but what kind of girl sends SMS while in bed with another monger and can get done so quicly to return to the bar. She would only do short time anyway because she "still had work to do" that night and 2) I found out she was only drinking juice because she has UTI. That kind of scared me out, I only found out later it is not contagious. Anyway better safe than sorry.Silverjane hm. I barfined her twice. Once as a cherrygirl at Angelwitch about a year / year and a half ago and I had one of those nights where I ended up kicking one girl out of the room, keeping the cherry and girl number 3. She was smart and lovely gave me a blow job and let me come all over her face. Due to what happened that night I kept in touch with the 3 girls including the one I kicked out thats how I remember her. Second time was about 8-9 months ago just after she lost her cheery. I was the second guy that fucked her. From what I can remember it was a great experiance we did it few times and she was egar to learn and to please. Few months ago she blew me off she was suppose to see me in manila but she insisted on bringing a friend last second so whern I said no she didn't come. Since then I have been avoinding Q Bar but tonight I went there few hours ago with girl number 3 who has few friends there. We chatted for about 15 min. She drinks Gatorate because she was in hospital not long ago. Man, she has turned into a stone cold *****. Yes she is still switched on but now its all business. The charm and the spirt that she had when I first meet her are gone. I didn't discuss barfine but I could sense that being with her will be like fucking a doll. She is now into koreans she mentioned some korean disco that she is going to after her shift. Anwyway I say good on you for picking up the bad vibe on this one.

I guess another way to look at it is she is now like us, trying to get best value for her pussy, like I sad smart girl.

[Mahaba]

LOL maybe you should learn from this guy and perhaps next time try and act up one of your own fantasies rather then get attached to the entertainment. Everyone falls for bar girl here and there but to be heartbroken or keep them in such a high regard is crazy. You do realise that there are assholes outthere that make the girls tattoo their names, burn then, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on them and do far worse then what you just described.Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Imagine the headlines. A sex tourist does some wierd shit to a local girl. Local Girl presses charges resulting in prison for the sex tourist. It just sounds like an accident waiting to happen.

[Mc Don]

Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Imagine the headlines. A sex tourist does some wierd shit to a local girl. Local Girl presses charges resulting in prison for the sex tourist. It just sounds like an accident waiting to happen.Like I said assholes. Funny thing is I have NEVER heard of anyone being locked up or read any headlines about things like that. I am all for having fun as long as it doesn't harm anyone but talk to the girls and almost all of them have their own little horror story to tell.

[Ezinho]

I'm back in Angeles and wanted to post a short summary of some of the bars I've been to so far, starting from Fields and going towards Perimeter:

Bar Color: I popped my head into this place but didn't see anything good. Also, there was no place to sit down. Very small place, but I like the smaller bars, so I might go back. This bar is in the Korean part of Fields, I think.

Lolipop bar: Started here late in the afternoon and the lineup was pretty good. Some young cuties along with a butterface (nice body, but her face.). Chatted with a cute 19 year old from Mindinao who I wanted to talk to with with some more but a customer of hers came in soon after and bought her a drink. I asked her if she was a Muslim since she's from Mindinao and she said yeah, she wanted to kidnap me. Fine with me, as long as she fucks me before she beheads me. I'd go back.

Geckos: I don't like this place. The girls aren't very friendly and there were only three or four chicks that were even fuckable IMHO. The presure for ladies drinks in this place is insane. I won't go back.

Valhalla: There were two or three young, slim cuties in here, but other than that the line up was awful. Too many old, fat and ugly ones. And the place smelled bad too! Honestly, this bar stinks. Only good think is happy hour is long, from 2pm-10pm. 60 peso beers.

Dollhouse: Went here with one of my fucklets after we left Atlantis because it was so crowded there was no place to sit on the first floor. Dollhouse had a Burlesque themed show going on, it was ok but I prefer just checking out the girls while they dance rather than watching all these gay shows. Some beautiful girls were there with nice tits and full asses being shown off with their t-backs. Is it just me, or are there more plump asses here in AC than in the past? Or perhaps I've been in Korea for too long.

Crystal Palace: This place is connected to Dollhouse and was also packed, so my fucklet and I went up to the second floor to hang out and watch the show. Again, the talent level was pretty high and some more shapely asses were shaking on the dance floor.

Coyote Ugly: Went here to find one of my fucklets from last year, but she wasn't there. There was a cutie wearing a funny hat pole dancing off in the corner, but other than that I didn't see anything special so I left after one beer.

Bunny Ranch: This is where I found my 18 year old live-in fucklet back in '09, but this time I didn't see anything good. A lot of fatties here, but maybe I was there too early. Perhaps I'll check in out again later in the evening.

Eager Beavers: Again, I went here looking for a former fucklet of mine, but she's not there anymore. Guess she moved on to bigger and better things. The name of this place has actually changed to something else, but I can't remember what it is. But it still says Eager Beavers on the outside. One disappointment; the girls no longer wear the sexy outfits they wore in the past, with the stockings. Now it's just boy shorts and tight tops. 1500 peso barfine still.

Candy Bar: Small Perimeter bar, the majority of the girls here are short and fat, BUT there are three or four tall, slim sexy fucklets here, and the barfine is only 1100 pesos. One that stands out looks like Pocahontas and always wears knee high socks. Ezinho reccomends this bar.

That's all for now. I'll be checking out more Perimeter bars in the coming days.

[Ekspat]

Good summary, Ezinho. I'd like to add one more bar, that is Pony Tails. It is my number-1 spot for an afternoon take-out.

Arrived yesterday around 1pm in hotel in AC, and 3pm I found a sweetie there and we had 2 nice rounds and I let her go at 7pm. Time for dinner. Good start of the stay here.

Cheers!

[WestCoast1]

Good summary, Ezinho.Same same. Have had several waitresses from Fields / Real for the last several years. We've become regulars. From txt I know when they are at work, just walk in and skip the formalities and barfine one. Or sometimes they come over before / after work in the bar. A former mama also from Body Shop, now late 30's, still looking good and slinging drinks in another bar. While I think we often go to AC for new fresh meat, the regulars for me have become a staple. Odd, isn't it?

[Vittu]

A good report. There is nothing odd about your preference for women who become friends. This is one downer in the USA: Local SW markets are now dominated by drug-addicted women with so many problems that a commercial sex exchange is possible, but not real friendships, broadly defined to mean mutual ease and respect. Neither of you need to be in love but you can fuck with intimacy and feeling instead of just ramming the rod. Keep doing what you are doing.

[JayHighFive]

Nice Report.


I'm back in Angeles and wanted to post a short summary of some of the bars I've been to so far, starting from Fields and going towards Perimeter:

Bar Color: I popped my head into this place but didn't see anything good. Also, there was no place to sit down. Very small place, but I like the smaller bars, so I might go back. This bar is in the Korean part of Fields, I think.

Lolipop bar: Started here late in the afternoon and the lineup was pretty good. Some young cuties along with a butterface (nice body, but her face.). Chatted with a cute 19 year old from Mindinao who I wanted to talk to with with some more but a customer of hers came in soon after and bought her a drink. I asked her if she was a Muslim since she's from Mindinao and she said yeah, she wanted to kidnap me. Fine with me, as long as she fucks me before she beheads me. I'd go back.

Geckos: I don't like this place. The girls aren't very friendly and there were only three or four chicks that were even fuckable IMHO. The presure for ladies drinks in this place is insane. I won't go back.

Valhalla: There were two or three young, slim cuties in here, but other than that the line up was awful. Too many old, fat and ugly ones. And the place smelled bad too! Honestly, this bar stinks. Only good think is happy hour is long, from 2pm-10pm. 60 peso beers.

Dollhouse: Went here with one of my fucklets after we left Atlantis because it was so crowded there was no place to sit on the first floor. Dollhouse had a Burlesque themed show going on, it was ok but I prefer just checking out the girls while they dance rather than watching all these gay shows. Some beautiful girls were there with nice tits and full asses being shown off with their t-backs. Is it just me, or are there more plump asses here in AC than in the past? Or perhaps I've been in Korea for too long.

Crystal Palace: This place is connected to Dollhouse and was also packed, so my fucklet and I went up to the second floor to hang out and watch the show. Again, the talent level was pretty high and some more shapely asses were shaking on the dance floor.

Coyote Ugly: Went here to find one of my fucklets from last year, but she wasn't there. There was a cutie wearing a funny hat pole dancing off in the corner, but other than that I didn't see anything special so I left after one beer.

Bunny Ranch: This is where I found my 18 year old live-in fucklet back in '09, but this time I didn't see anything good. A lot of fatties here, but maybe I was there too early. Perhaps I'll check in out again later in the evening.

Eager Beavers: Again, I went here looking for a former fucklet of mine, but she's not there anymore. Guess she moved on to bigger and better things. The name of this place has actually changed to something else, but I can't remember what it is. But it still says Eager Beavers on the outside. One disappointment; the girls no longer wear the sexy outfits they wore in the past, with the stockings. Now it's just boy shorts and tight tops. 1500 peso barfine still.

Candy Bar: Small Perimeter bar, the majority of the girls here are short and fat, BUT there are three or four tall, slim sexy fucklets here, and the barfine is only 1100 pesos. One that stands out looks like Pocahontas and always wears knee high socks. Ezinho reccomends this bar.

That's all for now. I'll be checking out more Perimeter bars in the coming days.

[Macho Dik]

Dear All,

Have contact with a girl from DIA. She claims that she is a waitress in one of the bar in AC. She is asking me for 1500p during her off day. She said that in the bar, her bf is 2000p. Is this a correct prices? Or it has to be a bit lower?

I understand in AC the bars and prices should be lesser than that in Manila or Makati.

As this will be my first visit to AC (HOPE NOT THE LAST ONE) , so spending 2 nights should be more than enough, right?

Cheers,

MD

[Mackin]

To me 1500 is a little more than they would get if you BF her. I think more like 1000 is a better price. But I don't know what she has to offer or how she looks. You need to decide that.

As far as 2 days goes it is a good start. Remember you are in the candy store and there are 10, 000 flavors to pick from. So 2 days is a start, but what is to long for someone I don't know. Just enjoy what you have. Remember some don't like AC at all while others like it a lot. As they say YMMV and so your opinion may too.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Dear All,

Have contact with a girl from DIA. She claims that she is a waitress in one of the bar in AC. She is asking me for 1500p during her off day. She said that in the bar, her bf is 2000p. Is this a correct prices? Or it has to be a bit lower?

I understand in AC the bars and prices should be lesser than that in Manila or Makati.

As this will be my first visit to AC (HOPE NOT THE LAST ONE) , so spending 2 nights should be more than enough, right?

Cheers,

MDTo MD.

I all depend on how she look and if this is for all night 1500 p is about right, you can meet her for lunch first and see if she is worth the 1500 p so many girl in AC just shop around for the right girl for you and don't paid up front paid in the morning when she leave and don't be afraid to bargin.

Fast Eddie 48

[Greek Niko]

dear all,

have contact with a girl from dia. she claims that she is a waitress in one of the bar in ac. she is asking me for 1500p during her off day. she said that in the bar, her bf is 2000p. is this a correct prices? or it has to be a bit lower?

i understand in ac the bars and prices should be lesser than that in manila or makati.

as this will be my first visit to ac (hope not the last one) , so spending 2 nights should be more than enough, right?

cheers,

mdgive it to her and show her you are not a cheap charlie but tell her what you expect her to do : cif, greek, russian, daty, rimming, [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101), anal fisting, water buffalo facimiles etc. o and take pics and vids or its a no show.

[Mc Don]

Dear All,

Have contact with a girl from DIA. She claims that she is a waitress in one of the bar in AC. She is asking me for 1500p during her off day. She said that in the bar, her bf is 2000p. Is this a correct prices? Or it has to be a bit lower?

I understand in AC the bars and prices should be lesser than that in Manila or Makati.

As this will be my first visit to AC (HOPE NOT THE LAST ONE) , so spending 2 nights should be more than enough, right?

Cheers,

MDShe is probably telling you the truth but her cut out of the barfine would be half hance 1000 peso. She is risking loosing her job by going with you. 1200 will be enough but like greek niko said give it to her but make her earn it. I would sugest you come to AC look around first before making the deal. You may be supprised at the amount of talent here and so you may not even like her to begin with.

[Dupke]

As other board members tell you.

Her cut will be about 1000 and if she is a performer, they expect about a 500 pese tip for an all nighter, so the 1500 seems ok if she honors her part of the deal.

There are all kinds of girls over there, with barfines going from just under 1500 to well over 3000 depending on the club, the type of girl (waitress, showgirl, dancer. Or dady's girls.)

She will not be in risk of losing her job if you meet on her day of BEFORE you barfined her in her bar.

In the other case she might be playing with fire as the bar expects her to give them their part of a barfine she met you at work regardless if it is her day of (is she sees you on her day of she is expected to be working.)

[Sammon]

Dear All,

Have contact with a girl from DIA. She claims that she is a waitress in one of the bar in AC. She is asking me for 1500p during her off day. She said that in the bar, her bf is 2000p. Is this a correct prices? Or it has to be a bit lower?

I understand in AC the bars and prices should be lesser than that in Manila or Makati.

As this will be my first visit to AC (HOPE NOT THE LAST ONE) , so spending 2 nights should be more than enough, right?

Cheers,

MDI would do ST with her for maybe 800 pesos just to see if she makes you happy. After that can plan accordingly. Even in AC with thousands of available women it is hard to find one who rocks your world and is not a gold digger. So if you find genuine one better to keep her. You can have her as a back up also if your other barfines turn out be runners or complainers.

[Phantomtiger2]

To me 1500 is a little more than they would get if you BF her. I think more like 1000 is a better price. But I don't know what she has to offer or how she looks. You need to decide that.

A.Correct as this is what I would give for anyone that is FL. Anything more and I usually just go to the bars and find someone I like.

[Ekspat]

Hi guys, yesterday I saw a notice in front of Dollhouse,"No photos, no cameras". Oooops, lets say in 2009, there was every evening photo-shooting in DH as if there's no tomorrow.

Anyone knows why this change in policy?

Cheers!

[Nomis]

As other board members tell you.

Her cut will be about 1000 and if she is a performer, they expect about a 500 pese tip for an all nighter, so the 1500 seems ok if she honors her part of the deal.

There are all kinds of girls over there, with barfines going from just under 1500 to well over 3000 depending on the club, the type of girl (waitress, showgirl, dancer. Or dady's girls.)

She will not be in risk of losing her job if you meet on her day of BEFORE you barfined her in her bar.

In the other case she might be playing with fire as the bar expects her to give them their part of a barfine she met you at work regardless if it is her day of (is she sees you on her day of she is expected to be working.) Girls in AC usually receive 40-60% of the BF. I have to say that the prices in AC have gone up faster than the normal inflation rate. I used to pay the BF (1000) and the girls never expected a tip. Now, even with the higher BF, girls also expect a tip for LT. It is getting more expensive in AC and is starting to catch up to Manila prices.

The girls in the Manila / Makati bars like EDSA comples do not receive any of the bf so they expect a tip depending on ST (2000) or LT (up to 4500).

My opinion, Manila has the hottest girls but AC has a higher concentration in one location. Have fun, I am getting ready for my annual Christmas trip to the Phils.

[Doppel One]

hey guys,

this report may be of interest to board members who intend to enter the pr in the near future.

date: saturday, december 3, 2011, 5:38 am.

the department of immigration has reassigned all the local pampangan personnel at dmia (clark). the new personnel are black listing anyone that doesn't treat them with respect.

this new team is routinely stopping philippine girls trying to go to thailand even if they are with their boyfriends saying they suspect [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). if the guy is rude or raises his voice they are finding themselves black listed the next time they return to the philippines. i have now heard of 4 different guys being black listed in the last 30 days.

here is another email i got this morning:

"a few days ago, i arrived at clark around midnight via tiger airways. i reached the immigration desks far earlier than any other passenger, and since there was no one ahead of me or behind me, i ducked under the cordon and stepped up to the start of the line. the immigration officer saw this and scolded me for not "following the line". i replied that i was sorry and next time i would walk around (even though i consider it ridiculous to have to walk the maze when there's no one ahead of you).

well, that wasn't enough for this fella. with his eyes bulging, he ordered me to go back to the end of the line and walk up to the desk again, this time following the lines. at this point, there was still no one behind me. no one was even approaching yet. i asked him in disbelief if he was serious. if he really wanted me to basically walk in a circle for no good reason. he just repeated his order, and being pissed off at his stupidity and arrogance, i muttered "this is bullshit" and did as he demanded. when i got back to his desk a few seconds later, he left his booth, approached me, and confirep001ed my passport. after keeping me waiting behind his booth for about an hour with no explanation, i was approached by other officials who told me that i was "excluded" and would be put on the next flight back. the official reason stated on

the exclusion order was "arrogance".

i spoke with the officer again and apologized, but he didn't want to hear it. no one at the airport would even let me approach the immigration office to appeal this ridiculous exclusion. after about 6 hours of waiting on a couch in a back office area, i was escorted to the next available flight and didn't receive my passport until i was off the plane at my destination.

so, after speaking with an attorney in the philippines, i would be able to get off the blacklist in 7-10 days for a fee of 350, 000p. yeah right. i guess i'm going to have to figure out how to jump through the hoops by myself. anyway, thought i'd share this experience of my run-in with an immigration officer on a power trip".

posted by jc on 2011-12-02

[FreebieFan]

hey guys,

this report may be of interest to board members who intend to enter the pr in the near future.

date: saturday, december 3, 2011, 5:38 am.

the department of immigration has reassigned all the local pampangan personnel at dmia (clark). the new personnel are black listing anyone that doesn't treat them with respect.

this new team is routinely stopping philippine girls trying to go to thailand even if they are with their boyfriends saying they suspect [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). if the guy is rude or raises his voice they are finding themselves black listed the next time they return to the philippines. i have now heard of 4 different guys being black listed in the last 30 days.

here is another email i got this morning:

"a few days ago, i arrived at clark around midnight via tiger airways. i reached the immigration desks far earlier than any other passenger, and since there was no one ahead of me or behind me, i ducked under the cordon and stepped up to the start of the line. the immigration officer saw this and scolded me for not "following the line". i replied that i was sorry and next time i would walk around (even though i consider it ridiculous to have to walk the maze when there's no one ahead of you).

well, that wasn't enough for this fella. with his eyes bulging, he ordered me to go back to the end of the line and walk up to the desk again, this time following the lines. at this point, there was still no one behind me. no one was even approaching yet. i asked him in disbelief if he was serious. if he really wanted me to basically walk in a circle for no good reason. he just repeated his order, and being pissed off at his stupidity and arrogance, i muttered "this is bullshit" and did as he demanded. when i got back to his desk a few seconds later, he left his booth, approached me, and confirep001ed my passport. after keeping me waiting behind his booth for about an hour with no explanation, i was approached by other officials who told me that i was "excluded" and would be put on the next flight back. the official reason stated on

the exclusion order was "arrogance".

i spoke with the officer again and apologized, but he didn't want to hear it. no one at the airport would even let me approach the immigration office to appeal this ridiculous exclusion. after about 6 hours of waiting on a couch in a back office area, i was escorted to the next available flight and didn't receive my passport until i was off the plane at my destination.

so, after speaking with an attorney in the philippines, i would be able to get off the blacklist in 7-10 days for a fee of 350, 000p. yeah right. i guess i'm going to have to figure out how to jump through the hoops by myself. anyway, thought i'd share this experience of my run-in with an immigration officer on a power trip".

posted by jc on 2011-12-02my goodness what an amazing report. it can be summed up as "prats with power".

few years ago i had a run in with a female immigration clerk in naia. i regularly took the 7am manila cx hk flight and i often encountered a bad tempered immigration clerk. i would politely ask " would you mind stamping next to that stamp in order that i can protect what little passport page space i have?". the reply from this jumped up nobody was always " i have the stamp and i will decide where to put it!". and of course she would then deliberately stamp in the middle of a page to waste it.

after 3 or 4 of therse ocassions i sought out her superior to render a comment and complaint. supervisor was another waste of space but said he would arrange so that my complaint could be delivered electronically. i received an email that stated i should describe why i was complaining about a civil servant, i should include the sworn written statements of 3 witnesses, i should include a deposit to show my sincerity and i should enclose my own affidavit witnessed by a lawyer in which i recorded my complaint. clearly these " little useless emperors" are happy clinging to their tiny power base. i truly hope these idiots are subject to the sefl same abuses when they travel to more advanced and overwhelmingly more enlightened countries.

[WestCoast1]

Hi guys, yesterday I saw a notice in front of Dollhouse,"No photos, no cameras". Oooops, lets say in 2009, there was every evening photo-shooting in DH as if there's no tomorrow.

Anyone knows why this change in policy?

Cheers!Just two years ago I could pull my camera out in about any bar on fields and snap away. The dancing girls would pose like crazy and knock other girls out of the way so they could pose. A year later, several bars would not allow pics. Just a few months back, I got flak from about half the bars I went into where I pulled out a camera. No posted signs saying "No cameras" that I noticed. But when I pulled my camera out the dancers or waitresses would start shouting "No pitchers!" and waving their hands. The other half of the bars the girls were still tripping over themselves to pose (that includes the waitress too). Filipinas are pose-crazy.

[FurryFriend]

i muttered "this is bullshit" and did as he demanded. when i got back to his desk a few seconds later, he left his booth, approached me, and confirep001ed my passport. after keeping me waiting behind his booth for about an hour with no explanation, i was approached by other officials who told me that i was "excluded" and would be put on the next flight back. the official reason stated on the exclusion order was "arrogance".i doubt the validity of this story. it's colorful, but likely a work of partial fiction.

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&itemid=34

this link to philippines immigration reveals reasons why a visitor could be denied entry. official reasons include: people coming to commit a crime, insane people, sex tourists, migrant workers, etc."arrogance" is not one of those reasons. i bet he cannot produce the official exclusion notice he claims to have received to prove his story.

the philippines is hurting for tourists and i doubt they have a standing policy of booting people without good reason. imagine travel agents not promoting tourism to the philippines because their clients are getting turned away at the airport.

by the way, how is it possible for him to be at the lines way before other passengers? even after the officer told him to get back in line, he said 'no one was even approaching yet'. that sounds rather fictitious considering how small the airport is. he would have to have literally sprinted off the flight. if he did, i find it incredulous why, being in such a hurry, he would have time to argue with the airport officer instead of simply doing as instructed.

also, check out the schedule of arrivals at clark from the official clark airport website. notice around midnight is the busiest arrival time for clark. even in the unlikely event he sprinted off the flight pass fellow passengers, there would have likely been passengers on other flights in line. i don't believe the immigration lines could be completely devoid of people.

also, if i recall, there are no snaking lines at dmia. there's just straight. that is, unless the arrangement has changed in the last 6 months.

also, how can the guy get turned away and not get his passport handed back until he was 'off the plane' at destination? was the flight attendant holding his passport on the flight? if he's already 'excluded', what would be the point of airline personnel holding his passport?

even if it's true, the guy in the story did something incredibly stupid. look, the philippines is known for corruption. at a philippine point-of-entry, the visitor should only be concerned with one thing: to get through immigration and enter the country. how stupid must one be to say 'this is bullshit' to one of their officers. when i'm entering, i say 'yes sir' or 'yes ma'am'.

ultimately, none of us have an inalienable right to enter the philippines. so just swallow your ego and do what airport officers say.

[Sxxxx]

Are you saying people write fiction on ISG?

Just because arrogance isn't listed doesn't mean the authorities did not kick him out based on that. Filipinos make up their own reasons, rules, regardless of the laws. Only way to contest that is to employ an Attorney, but doubt if any were around the airport at the time. Saying bullshit to immigration is silly and is arrogant. I overheard an American woman say worse to officials on departing the Philippines, but she had an advantage, she was leaving the country, LOL. If they refused entry to sex tourists the economy would crash, LOL.

[Doppel One]

The report was passed onto me by a normally reliable third party, but I'm afraid I can't verify that it's authentic.

Why on earth would anyone make up such a story? Then again, I suppose there must be people out there with a grudge against immigration.

[FurryFriend]

why on earth would anyone make up such a story? then again, i suppose there must be people out there with a grudge against immigration.maybe he got his umbrella confirep001ed by airport personnel.

very little of his story makes even remote sense. do you honestly think the "official reason" on his exclusion order was "arrogance"?

[Ekspat]

maybe he got his umbrella confirep001ed by airport personnel.that may happen on departure, not on arrival.

[Red Kilt]

Hey Guys,

This report may be of interest to board members who intend to enter the PR in the near future.

Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 5:38 AM.

The Department of Immigration has reassigned all the local Pampangan personnel at DMIA (Clark). The new personnel are Black Listing anyone that doesn't treat them with respect.

. <SNIP . .This was posted on another board last week and also attracted the usual disbelief.

I think it is definitely embellished. Black listings are simply NOT handed out with such reckless abandon. And ALL Bureau Of Immigration officers are not assholes contrary to what some of you would want us to believe.

However, the bottom line is still true. Don't raise your voice; keep calm and follow the rules, no matter how absurd you might think they are. You are a visiting guest in a foreign country.

[Pussycheck]

Girls in AC usually receive 40-60% of the BF. I have to say that the prices in AC have gone up faster than the normal inflation rate. I used to pay the BF (1000) and the girls never expected a tip. Now, even with the higher BF, girls also expect a tip for LT. It is getting more expensive in AC and is starting to catch up to Manila prices.

The girls in the Manila / Makati bars like EDSA comples do not receive any of the bf so they expect a tip depending on ST (2000) or LT (up to 4500).

My opinion, Manila has the hottest girls but AC has a higher concentration in one location. Have fun, I am getting ready for my annual Christmas trip to the Phils.In addition to that I must say that beside the BFs in AC go up, the appearances of the girls and their service level (quality) goes down.

Yes, in Manila area there are the hottest girls but you do not need BFs there. I just choose a hot freelancing working girl or a regular girl. For a freelancing working girl there's not need to pay more than 1500 PHP (ST) or 2500 PHP (LT) from my POV.

[Mr Enternational]

also, how can the guy get turned away and not get his passport handed back until he was 'off the plane' at destination? was the flight attendant holding his passport on the flight? if he's already 'excluded', what would be the point of airline personnel holding his passport?i agree with every point except this one. it is lawful for an immigration officer to confirep001e a passport in the process of deporting a person or in cases where they have committed a crime. in the usa it is customary for the immigration agent to give the passport of a person being deported to the flight crew, who can not return it to the person until they land in the country of destination. this is to ensure that the person does not stay in the country in case the plane has to land in another city in the usa for whatever reason. if he was already excluded and the flight landed in another city in pi for connections, mechanical or whatever reason before going on to the next country, then he could walk off freely and would not have to go through pi immigration or customs because at that point it would be considered a domestic flight.

[Frenzy3]

My goodness what an amazing report. It can be summed up as "prats with power".

Few years ago I had a run in with a female immigration clerk in NAIA. I regularly took the 7am manila CX hk flight and I often encountered a bad tempered immigration clerk. I would politely ask " would you mind stamping next to that stamp in order that I can protect what little passport page space I have?". The reply from this jumped up nobody was always " I have the stamp and I will decide where to put it!". And of course she would then deliberately stamp in the middle of a page to waste it.

After 3 or 4 of therse ocassions I sought out her superior to render a comment and complaint. Supervisor was another waste of space but said he would arrange so that my complaint could be delivered electronically. I received an email that stated I should describe why I was complaining about a civil servant, I should include the sworn written statements of 3 witnesses, I should include a deposit to show my sincerity and I should enclose my own affidavit witnessed by a lawyer in which I recorded my complaint. Clearly these " little useless Emperors" are happy clinging to their tiny power base. I truly hope these idiots are subject to the sefl same abuses when they travel to more advanced and overwhelmingly more enlightened countries.You complaining over a page in your passport, my passport cost $200 has 60 pages so you are complaining about $2. 50.$5 at a airport. Lighten up, and do you think her superior would care. I was thinking the guy in the original report was a prat as swearing over something as silly as cutting through barriers and getting told to walk back is wrong on so many levels.

Read http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=34

Sec 29. (a) The following classes of aliens shall be excluded from entry into the Philippines.

1. Idiots or insane persons and persons who have been insane;

Rule 1 keep idiots out of Philippines, I wish they enforced it more as go to any bar and see the number of sex tourist making idiots of themselves

So next time mention why you are here "Prostitute, or procurers, or persons coming for any immoral purpose;"

[D Cups]

no wonder the pi is so fucked up when they give authority like that to the mindless idiots at immigration. however, the immigration officer i had in san francisco was not much better. it took my guy 30 minutes to search through my luggage upon return. he simply could not believe i was gone for 35 days giving lectures on management topics (of course with some mongering in between). i told him i gave lectures on improving efficiency and asked if he wanted to attend one. of course then he really slowed down into absurdity. i asked him if i could help him find something and he just got even pissier. i understand security but holy crap just be efficient and stop wasting travelers' time!


hey guys,

this report may be of interest to board members who intend to enter the pr in the near future.

date: saturday, december 3, 2011, 5:38 am.

the department of immigration has reassigned all the local pampangan personnel at dmia (clark). the new personnel are black listing anyone that doesn't treat them with respect.

this new team is routinely stopping philippine girls trying to go to thailand even if they are with their boyfriends saying they suspect [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). if the guy is rude or raises his voice they are finding themselves black listed the next time they return to the philippines. i have now heard of 4 different guys being black listed in the last 30 days.

here is another email i got this morning:

"a few days ago, i arrived at clark around midnight via tiger airways. i reached the immigration desks far earlier than any other passenger, and since there was no one ahead of me or behind me, i ducked under the cordon and stepped up to the start of the line. the immigration officer saw this and scolded me for not "following the line". i replied that i was sorry and next time i would walk around (even though i consider it ridiculous to have to walk the maze when there's no one ahead of you).

well, that wasn't enough for this fella. with his eyes bulging, he ordered me to go back to the end of the line and walk up to the desk again, this time following the lines. at this point, there was still no one behind me. no one was even approaching yet. i asked him in disbelief if he was serious. if he really wanted me to basically walk in a circle for no good reason. he just repeated his order, and being pissed off at his stupidity and arrogance, i muttered "this is bullshit" and did as he demanded. when i got back to his desk a few seconds later, he left his booth, approached me, and confirep001ed my passport. after keeping me waiting behind his booth for about an hour with no explanation, i was approached by other officials who told me that i was "excluded" and would be put on the next flight back. the official reason stated on

the exclusion order was "arrogance".

i spoke with the officer again and apologized, but he didn't want to hear it. no one at the airport would even let me approach the immigration office to appeal this ridiculous exclusion. after about 6 hours of waiting on a couch in a back office area, i was escorted to the next available flight and didn't receive my passport until i was off the plane at my destination.

so, after speaking with an attorney in the philippines, i would be able to get off the blacklist in 7-10 days for a fee of 350, 000p. yeah right. i guess i'm going to have to figure out how to jump through the hoops by myself. anyway, thought i'd share this experience of my run-in with an immigration officer on a power trip".

posted by jc on 2011-12-02

[Surfer]

Once dollhouse group changed their policy from cameras always welcome to ""but not during body painting shows", the ONLY reason I EVER saw to go there ceased to exist. Now they are even more hostile to cameras (though still nowhere near as hostile as in LOS). I asked the manager who said it was "temporary" because of all the raids etc. That was in October. 95% of Filipinas love to pose; its the bar that is the problem in most cases although some are friendlier than others (and the rules are not enforced evenly; friends of barowners get much more leeway).

Ah the immigration folks. They run the gamut from very friendly to the most unpleasant, hostile people you can imagine. Having taken my Filipina GF out of prison on several occasions AFTER having to get her removed from the Blacklist because she was barred from meeting me overseas when leaving Clark on our first attempt. Now I go meet her and we leave together and get nothing but smiles and "when are you getting married". She was traumatized after the first incident and it took all my persuasive powers to get her to try again with me with her.

So I offer a few nuggets of advice:

1. NEVER be rude no matter how absurd and incompetent. It is a CRIME to "verbally or physically assault" immigration officers; signs to that effect are posted at every booth. The definition of verbal assault is so amorphous that "arrogance" could be equated with verbal assault. Just be as nice as you can.

2. Manila is MUCH better than Clark.

3. If your GF has no stamps in her passport, you better meet her in PI and depart with her on ANY foreign trip. I've seen DOZENS bared from leaving for a myriad of reasons. YOU have the burden of proving she is not being trafficked. The younger and poorer she is, the more odious this burden is. And do NOT assume that just because you are with her they will not give her the third degree. Better to havre her name on hotel reservations etc to prove it is a legitimate vacation rather than a way station on the way to a job in Iraq, the Gulf, or some prohibited place.

4. Under the Arroyo regime, the Church could get foreigners blacklisted for criticizing it. HOPEFULLY PNoy has stopped this, but you can be banned VERY EASILY and they don't give a Piso about the loss of revenue. While I much prefer Filipinas to Thais, I readily admit that are not as smart, organized or as entrepenurial (hence the abject poverty). In fact they may be the stupidest people on Earth, but I still love their women above all others.

[Fast Eddie 48]

No wonder the PI is so fucked up when they give authority like that to the mindless idiots at immigration. However, the immigration officer I had in San Francisco was not much better. It took my guy 30 minutes to search through my luggage upon return. He simply could not believe I was gone for 35 days giving lectures on management topics (of course with some mongering in between). I told him I gave lectures on improving efficiency and asked if he wanted to attend one. Of course then he really slowed down into absurdity. I asked him if I could help him find something and he just got even pissier. I understand security but holy crap just be efficient and stop wasting travelers' time!To Dcup.

The PI government don't give a rat look at how they handle the Hong Kong hostage, they will not apoligise to the HK people how poor they handle thing and stop promotion tourism to Hong kong tourist, they need more tourist to visit so the people and business can survive, if not for the cheap p4p there are no reason to go to PI so what next they will charge for visa for third world country like vietnam, Cambodia and Lao.

Fast Eddie 48

[FreebieFan]

You complaining over a page in your passport, my passport cost $200 has 60 pages so you are complaining about $2. 50. $5 at a airport. Lighten up, and do you think her superior would care. I was thinking the guy in the original report was a prat as swearing over something as silly as cutting through barriers and getting told to walk back is wrong on so many levels.

Read.

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=34

Sec 29. (a) The following classes of aliens shall be excluded from entry into the Philippines.

1. Idiots or insane persons and persons who have been insane;

Rule 1 keep idiots out of Philippines, I wish they enforced it more as go to any bar and see the number of sex tourist making idiots of themselves

So next time mention why you are here "Prostitute, or procurers, or persons coming for any immoral purpose;"When you travel once a week on business, have full pages taken up by China visas, Laos visa, Indonesian visa, work permits etc a 48 page passport (my country must be so much more backward than your obviously fantastic country) then every darn page kind of matters.

Specially when the renewal process takes 4 weeks minimum.

Oh and not forgetting I go through a 48 page pasport once a year. Cost. Total irrelevance compared to the time when a little Immigration help would negate the need to renew so frequently.

Then again maybe living in the squalor of Cebu has gotten to you.

[Macho Dik]

Dear All,

I would like to thank all brothers here that have responses to my earlier posting about DIA girls working as waitress in a club there.

Pardon me for not able to have it answer one by one of your responses but your comments are very informative to me, specially a first timer to this place.

Initially, due to my immigration papers that I have been working for the past several days from the day I landed this country, I though I will not be able to have time visiting AC but now that I finally have it done. So in this case, I will only have 1 night available to stay in AC as I need to be back for my departure from the Philippines. So,

1) is it advisable to spend one night in AC or I better try next time with more enough time to feel the place?

2) Should I bring my passport there? Is there any border checkpoint? I will be travelling by Victory line (bus)? If possible, for security reason, I don't want to bring so much valuables thing with me to AC.

3) I understand throught my reading in the forum, the Barfine you pay is before you take the girls out? Will this prompted the girls to be not fullfilling the deeds instead of overnighter, they only do short time? although some have mentioned can be refunded , is this usually happend?

Cheers,

MD

[Fast Eddie 48]

Dear All,

I would like to thank all brothers here that have responses to my earlier posting about DIA girls working as waitress in a club there.

Pardon me for not able to have it answer one by one of your responses but your comments are very informative to me, specially a first timer to this place.

Initially, due to my immigration papers that I have been working for the past several days from the day I landed this country, I though I will not be able to have time visiting AC but now that I finally have it done. So in this case, I will only have 1 night available to stay in AC as I need to be back for my departure from the Philippines. So,

1) is it advisable to spend one night in AC or I better try next time with more enough time to feel the place?

2) Should I bring my passport there? Is there any border checkpoint? I will be travelling by Victory line (bus)? If possible, for security reason, I don't want to bring so much valuables thing with me to AC.

3) I understand throught my reading in the forum, the Barfine you pay is before you take the girls out? Will this prompted the girls to be not fullfilling the deeds instead of overnighter, they only do short time? Although some have mentioned can be refunded, is this usually happend?

Cheers,

MDTo MD.

Why not I have stay one night only at AC before is only a short trip from Manila, most hotel need a passport for check in you can ask to keep safe deposit box at your Manila hotel some will charge you for one day some don't if you have booking for return, this will give you a feel of AC you might like it if you don't is only for one night, you can also take the PI rabbit bus from Avenida bus station near China town 160 peso stop in Dau first and then to AC bus station you can ask driver to drop you off at corner of Field and Mcarthur HWY.

Fast Eddie 48

[Edward M]

maybe he got his umbrella confirep001ed by airport personnel.

very little of his story makes even remote sense. do you honestly think the "official reason" on his exclusion order was "arrogance"?sure looks like it is the official reason. from another board:

[Ezinho]

Hi guys, yesterday I saw a notice in front of Dollhouse,"No photos, no cameras". Oooops, lets say in 2009, there was every evening photo-shooting in DH as if there's no tomorrow.

Anyone knows why this change in policy?

Cheers!I asked one of the girls about this at Atlantis a couple of nights ago and she said because of the police raids customers can no longer take pictures inside the bar. Having said that, I had my camera with me and took pictures of both myself and one of my fucklets, so it looks like you can still take your camera inside, just no photos of the dancers or shows.

BTW, good bar recommendation re: Pony Tails. That bar has the best afternoon line up I have seen. And happy hour beers are only 50 pesos.

On that note, I'm now off to monger in Macau; you may continue your discussion about PI immigration laws and extra passport pages!

[FurryFriend]

Sure looks like it is the official reason. From another board:"Arrogance" is not the official reason. He was cited under section 29 (a) 5) of the Philippine Immigration Act of 1940. That section allows exclusions if there is likely belief the alien is likely to become a "public charge" (will break the law). The word "arrogance" can also mean "insubordinate" or "unruly" behavior towards law enforcement.

[Ekspat]

1) is it advisable to spend one night in AC or I better try next time with more enough time to feel the place?

2) Should I bring my passport there? Is there any border checkpoint? I will be travelling by Victory line (bus)? If possible, for security reason, I don't want to bring so much valuables thing with me to AC.

3) I understand throught my reading in the forum, the Barfine you pay is before you take the girls out? Will this prompted the girls to be not fullfilling the deeds instead of overnighter, they only do short time? Although some have mentioned can be refunded, is this usually happend?1) Depends on. If you can arrive at 2pm and leave 24 hrs later, it might be worth it. If you arrive at 9pm and have to leave again to go back at 9am, forget about it.

2) Of course no border. Hotel may ask for passport but I think a copy will do the job. Victory Liner is okay and safe, no worries.

3) Yes, payment upfront and runners are possible. As I understood, nowadays more often than a few years back.

Enjoy!

[Frenzy3]

When you travel once a week on business, have full pages taken up by China visas, Laos visa, Indonesian visa, work permits etc a 48 page passport (my country must be so much more backward than your obviously fantastic country) then every darn page kind of matters.

Specially when the renewal process takes 4 weeks minimum.

Oh and not forgetting I go through a 48 page pasport once a year. Cost. Total irrelevance compared to the time when a little Immigration help would negate the need to renew so frequently.

Then again maybe living in the squalor of Cebu has gotten to you.Well living here I can tell you keep up your whiny attitude and you will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) the wrong Pino off and then see what happens. I live with the locals who work as police and in the shops I hear the stories of guys like you and just laugh with them at you. They know who you are and one day it will catch up on you.

As I posted before you are so worked up about money that you waste time and energy. So I take it all the girls know that you are seeing others every time you come here? If not read about the Aussie who just disappeared.

[Ekspat]

That section allows exclusions if there is likely belief the alien is likely to become a "public charge" (will break the law). The word "arrogance" can also mean "insubordinate" or "unruly" behavior towards law enforcement.Another thing is paragraph 1.

1) Idiots or insane persons and persons who have been insane;

The immigration officers are the only ones to decide who's an idiot and even if I have a PhD in Engineering, if they don't like my nose and consider me an idiot, they can send me back. I guess there is nothing much I can do. Best thing is to be humble and polite and get through as quickly as possible.

Cheers!

[FurryFriend]

I guess there is nothing much I can do. Best thing is to be humble and polite and get through as quickly as possible.

Cheers!Filipinos are famously thin-skinned and cannot tolerate being criticized by foreigners. It's an inferiority complex.

Remember this from two years ago?

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/162268/news/nation/immigration-bans-alec-baldwin-from-entering-rp

Alec Baldwin cracks some joke about getting a Filipina mail order bride and Philippine Immigration announces publicly that he's banned. The ban makes the Philippines government look like a bunch of fools.

And Filipinos wonder why their country is so poor, so corrupt and so lacking in tourists.

[Tanglin]

My goodness what an amazing report. It can be summed up as "prats with power".

Few years ago I had a run in with a female immigration clerk in NAIA. I regularly took the 7am manila CX hk flight and I often encountered a bad tempered immigration clerk. I would politely ask " would you mind stamping next to that stamp in order that I can protect what little passport page space I have?". The reply from this jumped up nobody was always " I have the stamp and I will decide where to put it!". And of course she would then deliberately stamp in the middle of a page to waste it.

After 3 or 4 of therse ocassions I sought out her superior to render a comment and complaint. Supervisor was another waste of space but said he would arrange so that my complaint could be delivered electronically. I received an email that stated I should describe why I was complaining about a civil servant, I should include the sworn written statements of 3 witnesses, I should include a deposit to show my sincerity and I should enclose my own affidavit witnessed by a lawyer in which I recorded my complaint. Clearly these " little useless Emperors" are happy clinging to their tiny power base. I truly hope these idiots are subject to the sefl same abuses when they travel to more advanced and overwhelmingly more enlightened countries.NAIA immigration has always been a little more full of themselves than other airports in SE Asia. I remember a while back when my passport was nearly full, and they put the stamp into the endorsements page. I was told sternly,"get more pages or don't come back." Fortunately, getting more pages at the US Embassy in Singapore is one of the most painless activities I've ever encountered.

[Edward M]

Filipinos are famously thin-skinned and cannot tolerate being criticized by foreigners. It's an inferiority complex.

Remember this from two years ago?

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/162268/news/nation/immigration-bans-alec-baldwin-from-entering-rp

Alec Baldwin cracks some joke about getting a Filipina mail order bride and Philippine Immigration announces publicly that he's banned. The ban makes the Philippines government look like a bunch of fools.

And Filipinos wonder why their country is so poor, so corrupt and so lacking in tourists.Give the PI immigration credit where credit is due. They were dead on balls accurate about this douchebag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J0-ZatDHug

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/12/08/alec_baldwin_kicked_off_flight_apologizes_to_fellow_travelers_.html

[Sammon]

NAIA immigration has always been a little more full of themselves than other airports in SE Asia. I remember a while back when my passport was nearly full, and they put the stamp into the endorsements page. I was told sternly,"get more pages or don't come back." Fortunately, getting more pages at the US Embassy in Singapore is one of the most painless activities I've ever encountered.When I entered Phi couple of years ago my passport pages were kind of full also. Immigratrion lady just put the stamp somewhere and when returning the guy had trouble locating the stamp. I went to the USA embassy in Manila and they added pages within a day for free. Nowadays adding pages are not free. However if you want more pages when changing passport there is one with more pages you can request.

When I had lived in Shenzhen and frequently travelled to Hong kong the stamps fill up pages not counting some travel Shenzhen-Macau- BKK as well.

Cambodia and vietnam take full pages. I wish they would make electronic recording and get rid of all these stamping business. Long time ago when I returned to US they did not put a stamp.

[FurryFriend]

I dislike Alec Baldwin and his politics.

If you were head of Philippine Immigration, do you ban someone for cracking a stupid joke halfway around the world? Petty actions like that makes the Philippine government the laughingstock of Asia and shows how its people have an serious inferiority complex. If the Philippines is to be taken seriously, it needs to act professionally and in accordance with rule of law.

The kinds of mongering things we say on this forum (said in serious manner, I might add) is far more offensive and illegal.

[Phantomtiger2]

Cambodia and vietnam take full pages. I wish they would make electronic recording and get rid of all these stamping business. .Ha ha, having been to all these places myself I know what you mean about all those visas taking up full pages, lets not forget the Indonesia and China visa taking up full space. Although I know what you mean about going stampless, I still kinda like to look at my passport from time to time and see all those colorful stamps and entry visas. Guess its just the kid in me.

[Phantomtiger2]

Dear All,

I would like to thank all brothers here that have responses to my earlier posting about DIA girls working as waitress in a club there.

Pardon me for not able to have it answer one by one of your responses but your comments are very informative to me, specially a first timer to this place.

Initially, due to my immigration papers that I have been working for the past several days from the day I landed this country, I though I will not be able to have time visiting AC but now that I finally have it done. So in this case, I will only have 1 night available to stay in AC as I need to be back for my departure from the Philippines. So,

1) is it advisable to spend one night in AC or I better try next time with more enough time to feel the place?

2) Should I bring my passport there? Is there any border checkpoint? I will be travelling by Victory line (bus)? If possible, for security reason, I don't want to bring so much valuables thing with me to AC.

3) I understand throught my reading in the forum, the Barfine you pay is before you take the girls out? Will this prompted the girls to be not fullfilling the deeds instead of overnighter, they only do short time? Although some have mentioned can be refunded, is this usually happend?

Cheers,

MDJust a quick response as this is strickly.IMO.

My gut feeling is NO. Going thru all the extra time and travel just for 1 nite in AC will not get you a true feel of the place. It will seem like, get there, check into hotel go out for a quick bite to eat, sit at a bar, order a drink, make a rush decision to pick any gal available as time feels short and then it will be time to leave. (depending on when you arrive and depart).

Like I said this is strickly IMO.

[Mahaba]

Another thing is paragraph 1.

1) Idiots or insane persons and persons who have been insane;

The immigration officers are the only ones to decide who's an idiot and even if I have a PhD in Engineering, if they don't like my nose and consider me an idiot, they can send me back. I guess there is nothing much I can do. Best thing is to be humble and polite and get through as quickly as possible.

Cheers!The immigration desk is the one-place in ANY country where one must keep a low profile, be polite and play the game. Consider the difference between US immigration and Philippine Immigration.

Immigration officers in the USA see real tourists and business people, and lots of others.

Philippine Immigration officers see thousands of entry cards with Angeles City, Subic and Manila addresses, presented by middle.aged mongers. Some of them may be a little pissed and take personal pleasure in inconveniencing you. Just roll with it and remember that while you are drinking a San Miguel and getting blown, he is there in his cage, stamping passport, after passport, after passport.

[Sxxxx]

Philippine Immigration officers .Just roll with it and remember that while you are drinking a San Miguel and getting blown, he is there in his cage, stamping passport, after passport, after passport.I think that is part of the problem, they are locked in to the airport and to the country. We are free to go hither and thither. Envy would be part of it, but then there is arrogance too, LOL.

[Greek Niko]

Since we are adding to the pages, lets not forget Liberia, Uganda, and Fucking Afghan is stinking Stan.

[Macho Dik]

Thanks Ekspat and Phantomtiger2 for your response.

As I feel time will not be good enough to me and hotel are fully booked, so I scrap this trip to AC and stay in Manila with a good time to a grils name cherry.

I hope on my next trip, I will definitely give AC a try and report back the same way you guys is doing.

Cheers,

MD

[Radical Guy]

Give the PI immigration credit where credit is due. They were dead on balls accurate about this douchebag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J0-ZatDHug

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/12/08/alec_baldwin_kicked_off_flight_apologizes_to_fellow_travelers_.htmlI think everyone overreacted to Alec Baldwin's "statement." He was on a talk show, and simply cracked a joke. Okay, it was perhaps a bad joke, but it doesn't make him a racist or anti-Philippines.

Just think, if the press were following you around all the time writing down every word you say, don't you think you might occasionally say something taken out of context that makes you out to be terribly insensitive or a moron? I think we all do, but public figures make the news when they are just human.

RG

[Bkktg]

NAIA immigration has always been a little more full of themselves than other airports in SE Asia. I remember a while back when my passport was nearly full, and they put the stamp into the endorsements page. I was told sternly,"get more pages or don't come back." Fortunately, getting more pages at the US Embassy in Singapore is one of the most painless activities I've ever encountered.They have never been anything but very friendly to me, with comments like "welcome back home, maybe you should get a Philippine passport" or "I'll squeeze the stamp here to save some space". I go thru a passport per year mostly due to Indonesian visa stickers which have thankfully gotten smaller.

Indonesia though. When they went thru this full page. Stamp only. Smaller sticker fiasco. Timatic listed Jakarta / Bali as stamp only at the time of travel, I was given the option of paying 5 million or be deported in some shady back room as I had no space for their newly created small sticker. I hope the dickhead at least spent some of it for pussy.

[John Gault]

When I entered Phi couple of years ago my passport pages were kind of full also. Immigratrion lady just put the stamp somewhere and when returning the guy had trouble locating the stamp. I went to the USA embassy in Manila and they added pages within a day for free. Nowadays adding pages are not free. However if you want more pages when changing passport there is one with more pages you can request.

When I had lived in Shenzhen and frequently travelled to Hong kong the stamps fill up pages not counting some travel Shenzhen-Macau- BKK as well.

Cambodia and vietnam take full pages. I wish they would make electronic recording and get rid of all these stamping business. Long time ago when I returned to US they did not put a stamp.When a US citizen enters the US his passport does not get stamped. I just paid I think $140 to get pages added to mine.

[Fast Eddie 48]

When a US citizen enters the US his passport does not get stamped. I just paid I think $140 to get pages added to mine.To John.

No kidding US is now charging to add page wonder they are charging oversea US embassy also, but now day most country is using computer scanning no more stamp only third world country like PI still use them.

Fast Eddie 48

[FurryFriend]

I think everyone overreacted to Alec Baldwin's "statement." He was on a talk show, and simply cracked a joke. Okay, it was perhaps a bad joke, but it doesn't make him a racist or anti-Philippines.

Just think, if the press were following you around all the time writing down every word you say, don't you think you might occasionally say something taken out of context that makes you out to be terribly insensitive or a moron? I think we all do, but public figures make the news when they are just human.

RGIt's pretty obvious why the Philippine government does irrational things. It's not because they're incompetent (well, maybe) , but because they get to score points with voters.

90% of Filipinos aren't sophisticated enough to vote. So politicians pander to their basest emotions, like banning an American comedian for insulting Filipino pride. This is one of many reasons why the Philippines isn't ready for liberal democracy.

[ManonsanBoy]

It's pretty obvious why the Philippine government does irrational things. It's not because they're incompetent (well, maybe) , but because they get to score points with voters.

90% of Filipinos aren't sophisticated enough to vote. So politicians pander to their basest emotions, like banning an American comedian for insulting Filipino pride. This is one of many reasons why the Philippines isn't ready for liberal democracy.Philippinos are all show and no guts or substance.

[Frenzy3]

Guys can you stop the anti Pino posts. It bad enough you fly here just to sex the local girls. I know Pino who read these forums and then you wonder why you get attacked here.

[WestCoast1]

Guys can you stop the anti Pino posts.I'm not sure why we would stop speaking our minds on the board. We often discuss the culture (sometimes we are right, sometimes wrong?) , that's kind of the idea of the various parts of the Philippine thread. We also discuss the positives of going there (trim, food, diving, etc.)


It bad enough you fly here just to sex the local girls.What is wrong with that? That's one of the purposes of the board?


I know Pino who read these forums and then you wonder why you get attacked here.We don't wonder why we get attacked. It's a modestly violent society. They attack their own more often than they attack kano. Reading this board for pina is a good/bad look in the mirror?


Philippinos are all show and no guts or substance.One thing filipinos have been repeatedly accused of by outsiders on a cultural level is being style over substance. Not only by outsiders, but also by filipinos. A pinay sent me a youtube link last year to a Filipino comedian doing a routine on 'filipine culture in 5 minutes'. He sits at home on cam, and talks to foreigners about the odd things filipinos do, that filipinos find normal yet outsiders must find funny: "We say 'he' when we mean 'she', and we say 'she' when we mean 'he'. We often don't really say what we mean hahaha. Filipinos often understand that their best friend might be lying to our face, because he is not saying what he means. Really I was talking about my female friend just now, but I said 'he'. See how we do that? Haha." The comedian goes on to discuss how its more important for filipinos to not admit being wrong (what we would call saving face) and how its important for filipinos to appear or look good or correct, even when they know what they are saying or portraying is incorrect (style over substance). Given that filipinos themselves have told me this before, and we've seen it many times before, and a comedian is on youtube talking about it: it would be hard to deny Manonsan's comment, even if it's negative.

[ManonsanBoy]

[QUOTE=Given that filipinos themselves have told me this before, and we've seen it many times before, and a comedian is on youtube talking about it: it would be hard to deny Manonsan's comment, even if it's negative.[/QUOTE]I have done trading business in the past with them; on the whole, extremely unreliable. That is why they are poor (and their social and political classes should all be dismissed) and that is why so many mongers have a good time.

[Canyon]

I arrive at Manilla and meet Jennifer and the Pacific Breese private van. It is a 2 + hour ride to Angeles City and I get to the rear seats of the van. I have a nice cold beer and Jennifer. She has baby wipes and baby oil waiting. I take off my pants and lay back for a 2 hour blow job. My cock stayed in Jenns mouth for the entire ride and I took a nap with my cock in her mouth too.

We get to the hotel and its into the Jacuzzi. We fuck every way possible and fall asleep in each others arms. In the morning I get a great slobbering BJ from Jenn and finish in her throat. I give her a bouquet of roses and send her off.

I walk to WOW bar to get Jenna and Lyca. Mommasan says Jenna is in China and not coming back for 30 days. I play around with Mommasan telling her I want a lesbian ass session with her, She laughs and giggles and says she has cherry ass. I eventually take Lyca only as she is fun as can be. We go back to my room for ST. She proceeds to suck all the cock juice from my dick and I return the flavor as she has a very pretty pussy. We start fucking real hard and Lyca is riding me reverse cowgirl. I start playing with her ass and insert 1 lubed finger in and she starts moaning. I put her in doggie position and start to rub the head of my dick on her ass opening. She says nooooooo mommasan no allow ass to fuck. No this no that no humma humma humma. I get 2000 pesos and tell het here I no tell mommasan nothing. She smiles and says promise honey? Yea I won't tell mommasan I was ass fucking you. She relaxes and in I go, slowly and patiently. Lyca is tight as can be and it takes more KY to lube her good and start humping her sexy ass. By now she is moaning and groaning. I start to ride her ass for all its worth. I grab the back of her hair and fuck every inch of her tight ass. I finally cum all in her and pull out the condom. We clean up and she says honey you open my ass too much, mommasan no like, you break my mattress- Lyca I say nothing to mommasan, promise. She is happy and leaves. Lyca was total fun fun fun. A great gal and a great personality.Niko:

What great service! I was fascinated by the welcome you got to Angeles City. On your first trip no less! I have a few questions.

1. You mentioned you found Jennifer on DIA. Was she from Angles City or did she have to go to AC to meet the van at Pacific Breeze?

2. How did you know the van was big enough, had tinted windows and you were allowed to conduct all that activity in the van?

3. Didn't Jennifer's mouth get tired after giving you a two-hour blow job?

4. I read about a special limousine service that gave you this kind of welcome to AC, but I forgot the name of it. Is that what gave you the idea?

5. I may be interested in arranging a similar service. Would Jennifer be available again? If so, PM me contact information. Did you e-mail Pacfic Breeze to arrange this kind of van and did you tell them your plans?

6. If Jenifer is ot available, do you know of anyone else who would do this or do you know how to find someone? Perhaps DIA?

Canyon

[Professor 1]

When a US citizen enters the US his passport does not get stamped. I just paid I think $140 to get pages added to mine.I respectfully disagree. I have US entry stamps for every trip, including my return last week. Sometimes, the boys stamp in the middle of a page, which effectively wastes the whole page.

[Sxxxx]

I respectfully disagree. I have US entry stamps for every trip, including my return last week. Sometimes, the boys stamp in the middle of a page, which effectively wastes the whole page.I think when they do not stamp neatly, so the passport lasts longer, they are saying they are sick of stamping passports, they have got a boring job, which they can see no escape from. And they are telling you, they have power and can screw up your passport if they want to, LOL. Why do they look at passport pages? If its to see the history of movements etc, then if they stamped in a congo line it would be much easier and quicker for them. Don't know if computer keeps a congo line of info, think it only has warnings on it, don't know. Thais are very slow and thorough. Filipinos can be very flippant, open page, stamp, hand back, LOL.

[WestCoast1]

I respectfully disagree. I have US entry stamps for every trip, including my return last week. Sometimes, the boys stamp in the middle of a page, which effectively wastes the whole page.I had to get a new passport two years ago. In my last several trips to Asia, there are entry / exit stamps from those countries for each visit, but nothing in my passport from my return to the States. Just a lot of blank pages after the asian country stamps. At US Customs, they swipe my passport, look at the pic, look at their computer screen, ask some questions, and then hand it back to me. They've never stamped it once (even the old one has nothing from the US, either inbound or outbound). This includes going in / out of Mexico.

[Greek Niko]

I respectfully disagree. I have US entry stamps for every trip, including my return last week. Sometimes, the boys stamp in the middle of a page, which effectively wastes the whole page.You must NOT have a United States of America passport then. I have a USA passport as I am a USA citizen and have NO entry stamps at point of entry.

I also use the CBP expediated Global Traveler service and never wait in the lines.

[Greek Niko]

Niko:

What great service! I was fascinated by the welcome you got to Angeles City. On your first trip no less! I have a few questions.

CanyonThank you for your kind words. I just made sure things were in place the way I like them for this initial but not last trip.

1. Jennifer is from the AC area. I told her to be at the hotel a certain time and whatever she does in life she better not miss the Van. She was there 3 hours early LOL. So, the girl has to go to the PB to meet the van.

2. I have Lodge bros that have given me the light on information I seek. Ask and it shall be given. So mote it be.

3. I actually feel asleep and she still had it in her. Sooooo true.

4. I did not know of any service, it is what I required.

5. I have not heard from Jennifer and she was moving to Manilla last time I chatted with her. Anne at Pacific Breeze arranged for everything. I was not an idiot to tell Anne my in depth plans, only that I wanted a friend to come pick me up with the van. Please be discreet and have respect for the staff there. They know the game and will assist you as much as possible but be discreet and courteous to them. I will be returning there in March and PB is the only place I will stay and that is because of the great staff service. I had a bouquet of Red Roses provided by the staff at PB waiting on the bed when Jennifer and I arrived to our room. She went all out for my arrival and I wanted to do something special for her. She started crying when she saw the roses and said even her own family never gave her flowers.

6. Start making friends on DIA and tagged, you will be surprised at the results. Jennifer and I started with good comms and I'm each other, after a bit we became more loose and naughty and you see the end results. I don't know your game but I have my own methods for different girls and they have worked for me, individual results may vary.

[FurryFriend]

I don't think were thrashing Filipinos, only the country's domestic culture. Most of us believe that when Filipinos immigrate overseas, they usually do just fine in their new surroundings.

So it's not the people but their domestic culture which is being critiqued. Knowing that culture is highly relevant when visiting or relating with the natives. We're not bashing for the sake of bashing.

Incidently, I find the people most critical of the Philippines are Filipino-Americans.

[Dad Fun 555]

I had to get a new passport two years ago. In my last several trips to Asia, there are entry / exit stamps from those countries for each visit, but nothing in my passport from my return to the States. Just a lot of blank pages after the asian country stamps. At US Customs, they swipe my passport, look at the pic, look at their computer screen, ask some questions, and then hand it back to me. They've never stamped it once (even the old one has nothing from the US, either inbound or outbound). This includes going in / out of Mexico.It probably depends on the airport. I get the US entry stamp approximately half of the time. I have entered most of the major US airports in East Coast, West Coast, Midwest, South; even Pacific (Guam) , and I have stamps from many of them. You should be able to find examples of US entry stamp in a US passport pretty easily with an image search. For land crossings you would have to go out of your way to get the stamp (you would have to go in the separate line for foreigners getting their visas stamped).

As far as I understand, the international norm is for countries to not to stamp entries / exits for their own country's passport holders and even in some cases for (already stamped) long term visas.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I respectfully disagree. I have US entry stamps for every trip, including my return last week. Sometimes, the boys stamp in the middle of a page, which effectively wastes the whole page.To Professor.

I think you must be high coming back home from Asia, I fly 8 time a year outside US I have not have my Passport stamp return back to the US since 2003 after 9-11 is all computer scanning no more stamp on all major US airport.

Fast Eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

It probably depends on the airport. I get the US entry stamp approximately half of the time. I have entered most of the major US airports in East Coast, West Coast, Midwest, South; even Pacific (Guam) , and I have stamps from many of them. You should be able to find examples of US entry stamp in a US passport pretty easily with an image search. For land crossings you would have to go out of your way to get the stamp (you would have to go in the separate line for foreigners getting their visas stamped).

As far as I understand, the international norm is for countries to not to stamp entries / exits for their own country's passport holders and even in some cases for (already stamped) long term visas.To Dad fun 555

I just double check my US passport last time it was stamp enter US is SFO on 2002 oct, I have return back to LAX. SEA, SFO and NYC on stamp, I can understand Guam or Hawaii might still use stamp but all major airport went to computer after 9-11.

[FreebieFan]

Indonesian visa stickers which have thankfully gotten smaller.

Indonesia though. When they went thru this full page. Stamp only. Smaller sticker fiasco. Timatic listed Jakarta / Bali as stamp only at the time of travel, I was given the option of paying 5 million or be deported in some shady back room as I had no space for their newly created small sticker. Why.I didn't realsie that my initial comment on passport pages would start this lengthy thread. One thing tho with having about 8 of the old Indonesian full page entry stamps is that theycan be removed. No one there ever checked that the last date of entry page matchd the full page sticker, specially when there were many stickers. Saved at least 5 pages by removing them. Yeah never tamper with a passport. LOL

[Toronto]

To Dad fun 555

I just double check my US passport last time it was stamp enter US is SFO on 2002 oct, I have return back to LAX. SEA, SFO and NYC on stamp, I can understand Guam or Hawaii might still use stamp but all major airport went to computer after 9-11.Might be different for those who are not US citizens like myself. For example, I have a stamp from Oct 2011 and I was only in transit headed back to Toronto thru D.C.

[Frenzy3]

I'm not sure why we would stop speaking our minds on the board. We often discuss the culture (sometimes we are right, sometimes wrong?) , that's kind of the idea of the various parts of the Philippine thread. We also discuss the positives of going there (trim, food, diving, etc.)

What is wrong with that? That's one of the purposes of the board?

We don't wonder why we get attacked. It's a modestly violent society. They attack their own more often than they attack kano. Reading this board for pina is a good / bad look in the mirror?

One thing filipinos have been repeatedly accused of by outsiders on a cultural level is being style over substance. Not only by outsiders, but also by filipinos. A pinay sent me a youtube link last year to a Filipino comedian doing a routine on 'filipine culture in 5 minutes'. He sits at home on cam, and talks to foreigners about the odd things filipinos do, that filipinos find normal yet outsiders must find funny: "We say 'he' when we mean 'she', and we say 'she' when we mean 'he'. We often don't really say what we mean hahaha. Filipinos often understand that their best friend might be lying to our face, because he is not saying what he means. Really I was talking about my female friend just now, but I said 'he'. See how we do that? Haha." The comedian goes on to discuss how its more important for filipinos to not admit being wrong (what we would call saving face) and how its important for filipinos to appear or look good or correct, even when they know what they are saying or portraying is incorrect (style over substance). Given that filipinos themselves have told me this before, and we've seen it many times before, and a comedian is on youtube talking about it: it would be hard to deny Manonsan's comment, even if it's negative.Guys like you who visit here do not see the whole story. The posts about why phillippines is still poor on a mongers site was a fine line then the posts started to get personal.

I maybe bias this week as I had a few in my face situations where one resulted in me been charged with assault. So I was just asking people to lighten up the personal attacks on the locals.

[Cyber Whip]

Just a quick response as this is strickly. IMO.

My gut feeling is NO. Going thru all the extra time and travel just for 1 nite in AC will not get you a true feel of the place. It will seem like, get there, check into hotel go out for a quick bite to eat, sit at a bar, order a drink, make a rush decision to pick any gal available as time feels short and then it will be time to leave. (depending on when you arrive and depart).

Like I said this is strickly IMO.+1.

Waste of time going only 1 night, complete waste of money and effort.

If you do go however, most hotels require passport to check-in, there is no other need for passport unless you get into trouble. You should always have it close or in the room safe, just in case.

AC is no different than anywhere else in PI. If you want LT then ask upfront, I've never been charged a different price in AC for LT vs ST. You pay the barfine upfront, same as any other city. In AC, tipping is up to you, most say don't tip (not trying to open that can of worms on this forum again!.)

[JayHighFive]

To Dad fun 555

I just double check my US passport last time it was stamp enter US is SFO on 2002 oct, I have return back to LAX. SEA, SFO and NYC on stamp, I can understand Guam or Hawaii might still use stamp but all major airport went to computer after 9-11.I don't know where you guys are traveling but I travel outside the country about 10 times a year. My passport has been stamped everytime upon return to the US except crossing back from mexico and canada.

[JayHighFive]

Excellent work. I am new to the Phils. What is DIA? I hope I can be so lucky as you!


Thank you for your kind words. I just made sure things were in place the way I like them for this initial but not last trip.

1. Jennifer is from the AC area. I told her to be at the hotel a certain time and whatever she does in life she better not miss the Van. She was there 3 hours early LOL. So, the girl has to go to the PB to meet the van.

2. I have Lodge bros that have given me the light on information I seek. Ask and it shall be given. So mote it be.

3. I actually feel asleep and she still had it in her. Sooooo true.

4. I did not know of any service, it is what I required.

5. I have not heard from Jennifer and she was moving to Manilla last time I chatted with her. Anne at Pacific Breeze arranged for everything. I was not an idiot to tell Anne my in depth plans, only that I wanted a friend to come pick me up with the van. Please be discreet and have respect for the staff there. They know the game and will assist you as much as possible but be discreet and courteous to them. I will be returning there in March and PB is the only place I will stay and that is because of the great staff service. I had a bouquet of Red Roses provided by the staff at PB waiting on the bed when Jennifer and I arrived to our room. She went all out for my arrival and I wanted to do something special for her. She started crying when she saw the roses and said even her own family never gave her flowers.

6. Start making friends on DIA and tagged, you will be surprised at the results. Jennifer and I started with good comms and I'm each other, after a bit we became more loose and naughty and you see the end results. I don't know your game but I have my own methods for different girls and they have worked for me, individual results may vary.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Might be different for those who are not US citizens like myself. For example, I have a stamp from Oct 2011 and I was only in transit headed back to Toronto thru D.C.To Toronto,

That is different we are taking about US passport, if you have a Canadian passport you are just visiting US not all country have Passport with a RFID chip in it for computer scanning so do you get stamp entering Canada, I think the other guy must have a very old US passport without the RFID chip.

Fast Eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

I didn't realsie that my initial comment on passport pages would start this lengthy thread. One thing tho with having about 8 of the old Indonesian full page entry stamps is that theycan be removed. No one there ever checked that the last date of entry page matchd the full page sticker, specially when there were many stickers. Saved at least 5 pages by removing them. Yeah never tamper with a passport. LOLTo Freebie

They have a new sticker now smaller only cover 30 % of the page and it is harder to remove, I know the Indoneasia immgration don't look at passport in detail but no big deal they just band you if you get caught just amended your passport add more page it is not that hard.

Fast Eddie 48

[FreebieFan]

To Freebie

They have a new sticker now smaller only cover 30 % of the page and it is harder to remove, I know the Indoneasia immgration don't look at passport in detail but no big deal they just band you if you get caught just amended your passport add more page it is not that hard.

Fast Eddie 48UK passports cannot be amended. When passport full need to send to HK for a 15 working day turnaround. Thats 21 days with no passport, which can be a long time.

Interestingly, Philippines passports have a slightly different system. If you have a visa in one passport and then get a new passport, they will staple one passport to the new one, as the original visa is still valid. As my wife has a US / UK / Australian visa that are all valid for 10 years, she has 4 passports all stapled together, with the visas in 3 of the passports. Quite a bundle to travel with!

[Canyon]

Niko,

Thank you for the information. Things really went smoothly for you. Were you concerned the driver would notice what was happening and stop the activity or does this happen all the time? How did you know the windows would be tinted? I agree with you that romancing the ladies is very important. If you treat them right, they will repay you many times. I also had a good experience in AC. I stayed at the Angeles Beach Club and they had some nice girls there. I also found a nice one at Atlantis which is a great club. I've been thinking about arranging a special welcome just like you did.

Canyon

[Toronto]

To Toronto,

That is different we are taking about US passport, if you have a Canadian passport you are just visiting US not all country have Passport with a RFID chip in it for computer scanning so do you get stamp entering Canada, I think the other guy must have a very old US passport without the RFID chip.

Fast Eddie 48I have had a scannable passport for years. Since Canadian authorities never stamp my passport perhaps the home countries do so to save you pages? Not sure.

[Greek Niko]

niko,

thank you for the information. things really went smoothly for you. were you concerned the driver would notice what was happening and stop the activity or does this happen all the time? how did you know the windows would be tinted? i agree with you that romancing the ladies is very important. if you treat them right, they will repay you many times. i also had a good experience in ac. i stayed at the angeles beach club and they had some nice girls there. i also found a nice one at atlantis which is a great club. i've been thinking about arranging a special welcome just like you did.

canyoni really did not give a rats ass about the driver noticing and he got a good peep show, no worries on my art as i am an exhibitionist at times hehehe. they know the score and a $10 us bill in his hand soon as i saw him cured the pathway. the windows were tinted because that is the information i received from my brothers on the ground and the pb desk. next time there will be more fun as i have an orgy and a 5 some plannned.

stay tuned!

[Yujin]

I don't know where you guys are traveling but I travel outside the country about 10 times a year. My passport has been stamped everytime upon return to the US except crossing back from mexico and canada.I looked at my 2003 issued US Passport and there is not a single US entry stamp after returning numerous times from South America, Asia, and Europe. As someone had earlier noted, all US Passports are scanned upon entry so no stamping is necessary.

[SteelBaton]

Cambodia and vietnam take full pages. I wish they would make electronic recording and get rid of all these stamping business. Long time ago when I returned to US they did not put a stamp.I go through a passport with the maximum number of added pages every 3 years due to travel. I go to Cambodia frequently. In the past 1 1/2 years (?) they have allowed you to apply on-line for a e-visa so that when you arrive they just give you a normal stamp. No full pages.

[Robbaf]

From another board it is being reported the Co-owner of Butterfly Rock, Hans, was killed at 4 am this morning in his home. His girlfriend and her Filipino boyfriend are in jail.

Robb

[RCA Knight]

after 15 years and about 5 trips here, ac still not to my taste. intentionally flyed into clark instead of naia for a connecting flight, just to check it out again.

if you like a girl no baby, slender, and not too dark, then can be tough. the girls with these elements i could only find in bigger show bars like atlantic, dollhouse, ect. and they all in the green tag spotlight girls. 3000 pesos.

i also checked out many other bars back and forth for 2 nights, like carousel, genesis, fantasy, blue nile, forbidden city, ect ect, i could only find about 2 that fit into my taste that i am willing to pay bar, again they are in the spotlight category. and after countless interviews and lds, none of them yes none would stay til morning.

atlantis and dollhouse seem they put all these younger girls without baby into spotlight, even some of them were not attractive at all, only young.

another downside in ac is, you have to go through smoky room after smoky room inhaling lots of smoke, and drinking from beer, to soda, to water until you feel like to [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) in the pants, to find a girl of my taste, the process is too grueling for me.

ac is okay for a change from cp or zhuhai, but still won't be a regular destination for me, girls with young, slender, no baby, not too dark, passable face criteria is such a rarity ac, they are taken quite fast by koreans, and increasing number of singaporeans and malaysian chinese. i feel there is a competition for these few girls, and spoiled they become.

i talked to many these spotlight girls, and none wanted to do lt, my second night the last night, i bar fined one from atlantis, friendly yes, but girl friendly, i say no, service okay, bbbj inclusive, stayed only about 1 hour, and i let her go, because i can tell she wants to leave.

finally another negative is hotels are pricey. i walked around fields, and most reasonable places were fully booked, i don't want to stay too far from the crowd, ended up stay in royal amsterdam the high end room for 3000 pesos.

again same conclusion about ac as last few trips, if you are interested in pretty young slender girls for some quick high quality sex with lots of bbbj, then ac not the place, if you have lots of time, checking bars to bars and enjoy the process of interview and find a few nice friendly girls for little romance, with less emphasis on look, then ac is okay.

[FurryFriend]

If you like a girl no baby, slender, and not too dark, then can be tough.Angeles City girls are usually bottom of the barrel in terms of attractiveness. When I was in Cebu, I was amazed seeing so many attractive women everywhere. Your average non-pro is definitely better-looking than your average pro.


enjoy the process of interview and find a few nice friendly girls for little romance, with less emphasis on look, then AC is okay.Even if you're interested in a bit of romance, you'd avoid AC where most ladies are concerned with money only.

Guys interested in romance and dating should venture to other parts of the Philippines and hit the dating websites instead. I find this form of mongering most enjoyable even when sex is not guarenteed.

[Mr Enternational]

After 15 years and about 5 trips here, AC still not to my taste. Intentionally flyed into Clark instead of NAIA for a connecting flight, just to check it out again. If you like a girl no baby, slender, and not too dark, then can be tough. The girls with these elements I could only find in bigger show bars like Atlantic, Dollhouse, ect. And they all in the green tag spotlight girls. 3000 pesos.I'm glad my standards aren't as high as yours RCA. Even still, I don't really see any chicks in AC that appeal to me either. From my POV the girls in AC are much too slender, but I can always make due with what I have to work with!

[Frenzy3]

Angeles City girls are usually bottom of the barrel in terms of attractiveness. When I was in Cebu, I was amazed seeing so many attractive women everywhere. Your average non-pro is definitely better-looking than your average pro.

Even if you're interested in a bit of romance, you'd avoid AC where most ladies are concerned with money only.

Guys interested in romance and dating should venture to other parts of the Philippines and hit the dating websites instead. I find this form of mongering most enjoyable even when sex is not guarenteed.I agree I have not been to ac but have seen the photos of the girls there and very few look ok to spend money on. I even had guys send me photos of their gf who is not working in the bars and still I think the average Cebu girl is better looking.

The web sites are one thing just being here you have girls come to you.

[Tiger 888]

Angeles City girls are usually bottom of the barrel in terms of attractiveness. When I was in Cebu, I was amazed seeing so many attractive women everywhere. Your average non-pro is definitely better-looking than your average pro.

Even if you're interested in a bit of romance, you'd avoid AC where most ladies are concerned with money only.

Guys interested in romance and dating should venture to other parts of the Philippines and hit the dating websites instead. I find this form of mongering most enjoyable even when sex is not guarenteed.I couldn't have said it better.

The only problem with the dating sites is that the girls are set to be disappointed in the end by expecting too much most of the time.

[FurryFriend]

The only problem with the dating sites is that the girls are set to be disappointed in the end by expecting too much most of the time.Yeah, I feel a bit of guilt. When we talk about scammers, I think guys scam on these sites as much (or even more) than girls.

That's why I'm actually relieved if some of these girls hit me up for money afterwards with some lame story. It gives me a convenient reason to dump them without the guilt. It's hard to dump those who genuinely like me and never ask for a peso.

[JayHighFive]

I hear there was a very bad storm in the Phils yesterday. Is everybody in AC okay?

[Mc Don]

I landed in AC around midnight. As I was going through customs I was texting my regulars letting them know I am in town. Previously I already arranged for Ms J to meet me in the hotel that evening so after a quick call to confirm if we are still on I left the airport with a smile on my face.

Ms J was a great discovery in my August trip, a cherry girl that worked in one of the perimeter road bars with a great body and a pale face somewhat similar to the actress in the horror flick The Grudge. Back then I barfined her twice then and we did all sort of crazy stuff (no sex) but most importantly we stayed friends. In October when I was back she was permanently barfined by some American dude that worked on an oil rig somewhere. The guy was supporting her but requested she goes back to samar to her village on some god forsaken island with a population of around 2000 people. It didn't take much to convince her to visit me in manila and we spend a whole week fucking. I took her cherry and her ass few days later and for the past 6-7 weeks she has been on mind constantly. The poor guy is still sending her money thinking she is cherry little does he know that not only she is no longer cherry but is waiting for her paperwork to go work abroad in January.

Anyway I get to ABC quickly, say Hello, to the girls at the pool bar and go to my room to shower. Few min latter someone knocks on my door, it's one of my regulars, Ms N, that I texted at the airport, she laughs and tells me that some guest from ABC barfined her earlier and let her go just now. She quickly starts kissing me, I tell her that I got plans for the night already but she takes my pants off and starts sucking me off. I cum in her mouth few minutes later, she gets a snikers and a can of pineapple juice from my mini bar and leaves.

I shower quickly and as I am changing I get a txt from Ms J telling me she is in front of the hotel. I pick her up and withdraw some cash from the ATM in front of the hotel and we go back to my room. We spend the whole night fucking and talking it seems we both missed each other. She remembers every detail of what went on in August and October and wants to repeat some of the naughty stuff we did. I also tell her that my friends will be coming over the next few days and that I want to spend some time alone with them. She agrees but I can tell she is not too happy.

[Mc Don]

In the morning my wingman arrives from KL and we go to see him. Initially I explained to Ms J that while he is around I want to barhop with him because I never get to see him. She bought that after bit of drama, lucky my wingman is a party animal and as she greets him he casually slaps her on the ass so she quickly comes to the conclusion that someone needs to watch over him or else he may get into trouble. I guess I should point out that Ms J is freebee so she kind of expected an exclusive relationship while I am in phils. To be honest I was not expecting my mates to be dropping in either, it kind of happened quick, they booked once I announced I am going. We have lunch with my wingman and after that she leaves, agreeing to come back for an afternoon session tomorrow.

With my wingman we discuss few of the new pool bar girls during lunch and decide to barfine from there. As we go back to the poolbar the one I had in mind asks me to introduce her to my friend and the one he had in mind throws herself at me. We laugh and remember our last trip in Bangkok when exactly the same thing happened in a massage parlour. After having a short conversation with Ms S from the poolbar she said something stupid to which I took an offense and it was complete turn off for me. I told her my friend likes her and that I will go and find my own girl tonight so she quickly moved on to him. He ended up barfining both of them and disappeared in his room for a quickie. I stayed at the poolbar wondering if I fucked up a good thing letting Ms J go. Anyway few drinks latter I called Ms N from last night to visit me before her shift starts. She come to the hotel quick we had a drink and moved to my room. Nice session that lasted over an hour was interrupted by a phone call from my wingman saying he is ready to barhop and if I am ready join him. I told to go ahead while I finish up and we will meet in Love and Music. One last ride on top of Ms N and a quick shower before we took the ABC car to walking street together I give her 500 peso and kiss on the chick as she leaves for her the Dollhouse while I continue walking to Love and Music. My wingman is already upstairs having great time with his girls while I check out the talent. Nothing catches my eye, I have a quick drink with the owner and go upstairs to see my friend. Few minutes later a philipino guy comes along and greets my friend. My wingman explains that he invited his philipino work colleague that happened to be visiting his family in phils to barhop with us. He never mentioned this before and I could see the girls were getting uncomfortable. I think they were thinking my friend and the philipino guy were cops or something. The atmosphere in the place went down very quickly. It felt very uncomfortable so I decided to leave and barhop on my own for a while trying to find my own fun. I visited few bars, before picking up another regular from Roadhouse and a friend of hers. Ms L the regular, I tend to barfine with her kissing cousin, but I was in no mood for her cousin and instead insisted on another girl. They promised to do all the usual lesbo stuff and were kissing and licking inside the bar. From there we went to Q Bar we watched few shows, I got to say Hi to my fav mamasan and few other girls that I have taken out of there in the past. Speaking to few of those girls it seems as if they have all been brainwashed, its business and business only, none of the spotlight girls that I spoke to (and few know me) is willing to do long time anymore which I find weird. Management probably has something to do with this as the story I was getting from all of them was kind of simular so I pay for the drinks and move on deciding to stay away from Q bar for the duration of the trip. I catch up with my wingman and his two birds in High society, I have no idea what happened to his friend but I didn't care either. We quickly got ushered into the VIP section of High Society and half a bottle of vodka that we didn't finish few weeks ago was quickly delivered to the table with few red bulls and sprite cans. The girls started dancing around us as we quickly downed the bottle and decided to call it a night. In the hotel my friend took the girls swimming while I retired to my room. Around 6-6. 30am I decided to let them go, they were fun but not as much as I expected and Ms L my regular was nagging me to go home as it was her first day back in AC after her holiday and she wanted to rest. To be honest I was also feeling the alcohol and compared to what I get from Ms L and her cousin tonight was mediocre at best. No tip to either I felt they didn't earn it. I spend another 30-40 min going through posts on the forum and downloading some work related materials and called it a night.

[Mc Don]

I was up around 2 pm, just in time for Ms J who arrived on time at 3 pm. We had lunch at the hotel and a nice afternoon session after that. She didn't ask about last night, I dint tell, but my mind was made up to keep her for the night. She wore one of those sexy short dresses with cuts on the back giving me easy access to her ass. We quickly made a deal she can come barhop with us 2nite if she doesn't wear underwear to which she just said I won't if you don't and that was it. I love her free spirit and naughty mindset and as we were getting ready for another night out I was already thinking of which bar do I do her. My wingman decided to keep only one of his girls the other apparently wasn't up to his liking. We started once again at love and music. Quick hellos to few girls there we ordered drinks for upstairs and asked our waitress not to be disturbed. I started nailing my girl within few minutes, my wingman has a laugh as he knows what was happening. By the looks of it his girl still hasn't figured it out but once she did she watched amazed and in disbelief only to get more and more horney herself. She walked right past us and went down stairs, at first I thought she is not coming back but then few min latter she reappeared passing us and giving my girl a pat on her hair and then started riding my friend. As I smiled at them she opened her handbag showing me her panties and smiling back at me. I guess my wingman chose the right one to keep.

We left Love and Music few drinks latter and moved on to Blue Nile. My friend has few regulars there so he bought few drinks while I scouted the bar for some cute spinner with some cleavage. I found one that turned out to be a spotlight dancer whatever LOL, let's call her Ms X, bought her a drink but when she told me that her barfine is 3K it kind of turned me off. I don't care about the money but I don't support this two tire bullshit so I told her there is no way I would pay that out of principal. She gave me her number and asked me text her 2morow. I gave her a 100 peso tip thinking maybe I will get a discount session with her. We did few other bars after that, Genesis, Angel Witch and Voodoo were good. Very disappointed once again in Dirty Duck one of my fav bars, it seems it's no longer the best bar to go for hot spinners, I could not find a single girl there that I would barfine or buy a drink to. Another bar that had hotties in the past but now they have gone missing was Tight Jeans. I saw a Korean guy there walking in pay the barfine for one of the door girls and few min latter walk out in tow with her, not even buying a drink. He was on his own. For a sec I though about some recent discussions on the forum, perhaps maybe I was seeing a change in habits or maybe they are not so different to us after all? I mean when I am in phils by myself my trips are very different to when I have friends with me, I barhop and barfine simular to the Korean dude, I hunt quick usually go for door bitches, while now it's more about having fun just like another group of Koreans in the corner having drinks and enjoying their night. Anyway we once again end up in High Society the girls go dancing on the stage while we drink at watch the action from the side. They come back and we have few drinks together, my friend decides to barfine another girl from Love and Music that he liked earlier or yesterday I am not sure. He sends his girl to barfine the other while Ms J is once again on top of me but this time my dick stays in my jeans. Few minutes later my friends girls is back with another young hottie and they get up on seat to dance around him. 2 security guards are also right beside them and the whole scene resembles something of a gangster movie we just needed some blow on the table to make it complete I guess. We stayed a bit longer and then went back to the hotel. Two good sessions with Ms J and little anal, she complains it hurts without the KY but I am already in and she starts moaning with pleasure once again. We both fall asleep shortly after.

[Mc Don]

I wake up 9 am with Ms J already between my legs licking my balls. She remembers her training from last time, a quickie and I let Ms J go home. I gave her 500 peso which she refused to take instead taking some chocolates from the mini bar. I texted Ms X not hopping for much to be honest and called to check up on my friend. He is leaving in few hours and has the tendency to miss flights when he gets carried away. I get in his room to find him asleep with the girls up laughing and dancing on the pole in his room. There is food everywhere, the bottle of tequila from the mini bar is empty so I guess he must have continued on last night. He finally gets up and starts packing as I start playing with his girls at the bar in his room. It didn't take much to talk one into giving me a blow job for 300 peso and then the other joined in licking my balls. Blow job quickly tuned into sex on the sofa before my wingman joined in for some double penetration action with the other girl going mouth to mouth starting with my friend then the other girl then me. It was kind of weird she kept kissing each of one of us for a while. I could feel the sperm building in my dick and as I was ready to shoot my load I pulled out grabbed the kissing girl by the hair took the condom out and cum all over her face. My friend followed just after me and we all laughed it off it was a new experience for all of us I guess. I left 2000 peso (1000 each) on the table from me and went down to the pool bar for a drink. I was drained and it wasn't even noon. My friend came and said goodbye had a final drink with me and took the abc car to the airport. Tonight another friend was coming from Singapore but a very different type then the guy that just left. I had a quick swim in the pool caught up on the gossip from the other girls in the bar and the staff and as I was about to go to SM for a quick stroll I got a txt from Miss X 'sorry I just got up, what are you up to? '. I invited her to join me in SM and we meet up at the cinemas half an hour later. She looks stunting. I am already mentally undressing her as we look at what is showing but there is nothing interesting so we go for a walk. We both haven't had breakfast so we eat something in Congo Grill I think and I buy some CD's from the music store. The ABC car takes us back to the hotel and we quickly end up in my room. We talked for a while, she is new, been in AC for only few weeks and so far she has bar fined only few times. She tells me some amazing stories about few of the AC high rollers that she has been with, one tipped her 50 000 peso for NO SEX another 25 000. I know both guys and they can certainly afford it and other girls in the past have told me stories so I have no reason to doubt her. I start touching her slowly get intimate with her but she is like one of those Jap porn flick girls, all shy and ticklish which I find cute. No money has been discussed so far so I finally ask her. She says 3000, she doesn't want to cheat the bar, she promises to stay with me until her shift starts the following day. I am not happy with her response but I can understand her she did tell me few things which I am not going to share here which justify her way of thinking and from my end I am paying 3000 for what is over 30 hours of her time. Hm to be honest at this stage I would have agreed on anything the Jap porn flick behaviour did it for me I guess a good lesson for next time is negotiate before intimacy otherwise it's your dick that does the thinking. The 30 hours that followed were amazing. I don't think I have ever cum that much in my life. I can't even remember how many times I did her all over the room. She slipped away to pay the barfine around 9-9. 30 and to get some clothes from her place which took almost an hour but the rest of the time she was with me mostly naked in my room. In highsite that would have been my cheapest night in AC as I didn't bar hop, I guess I am still justifying the 3K LOL. Would I repeat? Without a doubt. Top girl, top performer, great attitude and pleasure to talk to. I will share one interesting thing she mentioned, Blue Nile (LOUISE GRANT GROUP) is thinking of increasing barfines for spotlight girls like her to 5000 peso. They have already discussed this and the girls are against it, refusing to do it. Talk is this will happen in January. The way the girls see it this would mean no tip or less tip for them, so technically the bar takes a share of their tip. I agree with their logic amazing how their brain works when someone is trying to get into their pocket LOL at us thinking that they are simpletons.

[Mc Don]

The next day around noon I finally caught up with my other friend. I still have Ms X with me, we have just had a swim in the pool when he came along saying he is meeting a girl in SM. Some DIA chick that has been on the bus for few hours just texted him that she has arrived at the bus stop in Dau. He lives for SM, we quickly change and go to SM to meet with them for branch. I call him once in SM and we meet at a coffee shop near one of the exits. He has already ditched the DIA girl who apparently used an old photo (lesson for all DIA hunters, make sure you see them on camera before meeting up) and is now chatting up the girl in the coffee shop. He managed to get the phone number of the chick in the shop and we ended up leaving for Congo Grill. Quick lunch then barhop down the perimeter end. We barhoped around the JUST MY LUCK bar, I can't remember exact names of the few bars we saw but there was one that reminded me of Rogues on Burgos. Upstairs, pool tables, it was fun. He picked up a girl from there and we moved on the next bar. I stepped awkwardly in a pot hole outside and from then on this trip turned bad. I could feel my ankle swelling and I knew what awaits the morning after. Couple of rounds with Ms X who also was complaining with some chest pains and I let her go just in time for her shift. Ms J also txts me that she just got her period and we can't boom boom for few days do I mind? I quickly replay that I will go to Bangkok for few days to finalise some business there (I told her that I have something to do in BKK earlier as I anticipated this, we talked on YM before and she told me she is due soon) and then I will be back. At the time I didn't think of it much perhaps I should have told her something else, she was cool enough to understand me and my needs I should have not lied to her. There was no need but hey it was easier at the time. I booked myself on the Cebu Pacific flight to Cebu texting few of my DIA contacts and regulars, telling them I will be in town tomorrow evening. Got 2 positive replies back but the one that I was counting on the most, a beautiful 27 year old realtor tried to pull out of our meeting saying she doesn't want to be a friend with benefits. I asked her to take me off her ym and few txts went up and back until she started begging me to meet her and that she will do anything I like. I knew that this was going to be a disaster here and I should have not even bothered but hey there was plan be, see and the in place so I made arrangements with her not hoping for much. I spent the rest of the night barhopping with my friend, stated off at blow job row in Santos where we picked up a girl each in the bar just before Honkey Tonks. Although Santos has its uses and loyal customers I just don't like the set up. Shit bars, some cute girls but the clientele there is just bottom of the barrel. One older gent that was in the bar was abusing the girls over a fucking beer, apparently it was not cold enough, he would have a sip and then return it. Did it 3 times then refused to pay. I just don't understand why anyone would do that, we spend money to get there, stay there, and enjoy. He eventually left taking with him the good spirit and atmosphere it the bar with every girl being a bit shaken off. We paid our bill and walked back to Atlantis where I called the ABC car to pick us up from as my leg could not handle any more walking. Ms A, turned out to have great oral skills and was a good rider. I decided to conserve my energy for the all nighter and I don't think I even take my runners off. I knew it would be painful putting them on again LOL. An hour later she is off with trike money I have a drink in the pool bar waiting for my friend to finish off. Half an hour later he is down, he kisses his girl goodbye and gives me some pain killers for my foot. We barhop for starting at Pony Tales and move towards walking st. He picked up a girl from Brown Sugar but wanted another for threesome I picked ms L from Insomnia and called it a night. Ms L was 18 year old spinner that just started working in the bar. She was from samar and was stunning. Good attitude and was warming up to me quickly. We took shower together and she give me a good massage staying away from my hurt leg. We fucked for a while and then watched porn on TV until she got inspired by a scene where a girl was taken from behind on a sofa. She moved on the sofa spreading her legs and I followed. My leg was now really hurting but fuck who could resist the sight. 10 min or so of pure delight that at times seemed like an eternity of pain and pleasure ended when I heard another click in my ankle. I wish I could say here that my leg was fixed during fucking LOL, but it just got worse. We finally went to sleep only for me to get up around 8 am in pain.

I struggled to get up lucky Ms L was still around so she was able to get me a cold can from the fridge to put on my leg. I called reception and they started sending ice in my room, Ms L used plastic bags to make ice packs to put on my leg. I got a txt from Ms X that she didn't go to work last night because of her chest pain and that she was going to get herself checked up today. I invited her for lunch as I was leaving latter that evening. Ms L left around 12, Ms X came and took over the role as LOL my care giver around 1 pm. After few more ice packs I was able to put my leg in my runner and slowly struggled to the ABC restaurant. We had lunch there and talked and then moved back to the room for more icing. She wanted to take my mind of my ankle so she started pool dancing in my room which soon turned to naked pool dancing and ended in up in a blow job. She left soon after to see her doctor while I kept icing until around 7pm then went off to the airport. I texted the Cebu realtor let's call her Ms M and she replayed everything is in order and she will pick me up as planned.

To be continued on the CEBU tread.

[Tiger 888]

...We barhoped ...To barhope, that's a good one.

[Sharka]

I had to get a new passport two years ago. In my last several trips to Asia, there are entry / exit stamps from those countries for each visit, but nothing in my passport from my return to the States. Just a lot of blank pages after the asian country stamps. At US Customs, they swipe my passport, look at the pic, look at their computer screen, ask some questions, and then hand it back to me.You are indeed lucky as I am based on the N. E and they ALWAYS stamp my pages. I don't mind all those stamps from overseas as it is cool to show off but who cares for the US stamps-now that is wasted space.

WOW-$140 to add pages to passport!

[Sharka]

. From my POV the girls in AC are much too slender, !Ha, we should definitely hang out someday together in AC as I have always mostly had the ones on the opposite end being more overweight, we could always switch girls.

[Ekspat]

I hear there was a very bad storm in the Phils yesterday. Is everybody in AC okay?Yes, because the storm was in Mindanao. 500 killed.

[Ekspat]

. was killed at 4 am this morning in his home. His girlfriend and her Filipino boyfriend are in jail.Places like Angeles attract criminals like shit attracts flies. Thats why I would't even consider living there.

RIP.

[Pute Nut]

Places like Angeles attract criminals like shit attracts flies. Thats why I would't even consider living there.

RIP.It's the a-hole of the Philippines. Even though it's full of crap, it's useful for some purposes. Any more info on the killing?

[Amjeck]

Places like Angeles attract criminals like shit attracts flies. Thats why I would't even consider living there.

RIP.It also attracts stupid foreigners! A lot of these guys are just asking for it, unfortunatley.

[The Rooster1]

Damm, what happened to the board. I'm gone a month and nothing but passport stamps, Baldwin and negative posts. Cool, don't go to AC and go somewhere else and post on their sites. Remember, your in another country where your not a citizen, so be respectful, do as immigration says and watch your ass! If you don't like, don't go!

I like the 5 part post, nice work. Even injured and can't walk he is still having fun!

[Member #4698]

Damm, what happened to the board. I'm gone a month and nothing but passport stamps, Baldwin and negative posts. Cool, don't go to AC and go somewhere else and post on their sites. I like the 5 part post, nice work. Even injured and can't walk he is still having fun!The 5 part report by Mc Don was great. Posts like his are what we need more of. It should be elevated to a Report of Distinction. Yet, only Rooster and now myself are the only guys commenting on it. Way to go Mc Don. I hope your leg improves. I look forward to your report from Cebu. Stay safe.

[Gangles]

It also attracts stupid foreigners! A lot of these guys are just asking for it, unfortunatley.I know quite a few expats who live in Angeles City, and they seem to be doing fine.

Almost all of them are married, or in committed relationship.

And they seem to be pretty happy.

And they are not stupid.

G

[WestCoast1]

Damm, what happened to the board. I'm gone a month and nothing but passport stamps, Baldwin and negative posts. Cool, don't go to AC and go somewhere else and post on their sites.A complaint about the blah blah. So, Rooster, where is your report?

[Ekspat]

Cool, don't go to AC and go somewhere elseExactly what I'm going to do. My flight to Clark in January will forfeit, and just now I have shortened my trip to AC in March from 12 days to 4 days.

Merry Christmas to all!

[Fastpiston]

Exactly what I'm going to do. My flight to Clark in January will forfeit, and just now I have shortened my trip to AC in March from 12 days to 4 days.

Merry Christmas to all!Ekspat, I sympathize with you.

The place attracts because of the bars, it has nothing else remotely attractive. Add to that monthly reports of foreigner killings (AC has been given the name 'Tombstone') , muggings, frequent bar raids, police scams on visitors, AC-Manila bus robberies and killings, trike rip offs, hotel holdups, lousy food and poor shopping outside two average quality malls.

[Jack James]

Hi fellow members,

What is going on in ac? I have not been there since June why is there so many negatives? I am planning my next trip there in feb ac can not be as bad as everyone is reporting about paradise or as I like to call it sin city has plenty of positives then negatives. I have been a regular visitor there and I have had some of the best times there. You have to take the place for what it is the girls lie to us as we feed them a lot of bola bola as well at the end of the day if the make you happy what is the problem? Can some fellow members give me any details about any new hunting places there cheers for any info.

[Amjeck]

AC-Manila bus robberies and killingsAnd how often does this happen?

[Sxxxx]

And how often does this happen?And thats what I want to know too. Never heard of that happening. Details, when last occurred etc. I travel by bus LOL.

[Sxxxx]

.hotel holdups .and poor shopping .In addition to robberies and killings ex buses, you mentioned in same post, plus two mentioned above, hotel holdups, never heard of such. Can you quote specific incidences of hotel holdups? Poor shopping? Angeles is a supermarket of sex, lots of choices. Now prey tell me, where is there no crime in this world, and better shopping than Angeles?

[Mc Don]

NEVER. But hey let hang shit on AC.


And how often does this happen?

[Gangles]

Towasrds the end of my last trip (Nov) , I took my gf to AC for a weekend to experience the place. She had never been to the type of girlie bars that they have there.

A few days before, I started to call hotels. Full. Every hotel that I checked was full. In the end, I got a room in an unusual hotel far off the beaten track.

But when we went downtown so she could check the place out, there were no mongers. The streets were almost empty, bars almost empty.

Next day, I had a chat with a guy who owns a pub there, and he says yes, that is the situation now.

His opinion was that it is the new way of mongering. Organise a girl over the internet, then shack up with her in your hotel room until you leave.

He thinks that sometime soon, the bars are going to have to take barfines over the internet and deliver the girl to the room. Wow.

I am not sure that I like that idea.

G

[Mc Don]

AC is a city of 315 000, add Dau, San Fernando and few other towns near by and you get close to 500 000. You can do anything from hot air ballooning, flying light aircraft and diving to hiking a volcano, shooting guns. 4wd driving, water fun in near by subic or the lake and so on. There are about 15 malls in AC but hey how many bother past the casino near the red light district? People love to hang shit and say there is nothing else to do but in reality we all get caught up in the pussy / drinking cycle that we never explore much else. How many of you have been to a philipino bar in AC? Do you even know they exist and yes girls dance naked. AC has plenty to do but we never bother, we like what we do and once our time is over and we are back home we wonder why we didn't do much else and we come up with stupid conclusions like there was nothing else to do. Then we hang shit on AC but we are back again and again. Welcome to Hotel California.

The 'Tombstone' comment is just great. What can I say I have been to AC around 30-40 times in the last 10 years. I have never been robbed. Never been threatened. Never been mugged. Once I saw a cop ask my taxi driver (NOT ME) for a bribe but hey they charge us 2-2500 peso for a trip that on meter is less then 1300. I once saw a fight between a middle aged women and a bar girl. The middle aged women accused the bar girl of ruining her marriage. On my last trip (story to follow) I saw a philipino guy throw a glass at a bar girl and thats it folks. Maybe I have been lucky. Few days ago in Bali I was nearly pick pocketed lucky I left my wallet at the hotel and the girl I was with started abusing the wanker. This happened on Legian St in Kuta just in front of ground zero. Two ausies ended up hospital with stab wounds after trying to break up a fight between locals that nearly killed one of their own kind inside a popular disco the next day. In Pattaya a Russian guy was slipped the mickey by bar girls that robbed him. It could have happened to any of us. In AC at least we know that girls are unlikely to drug us considering they can't afford it and they are all licensed anyway. We hear about people dieing but how often does it happen to one of us? It happens to bar owners and people involed in iligal activities, expats that live there and get involved too much with the locals and maybe cheat on their wifes or like to throw their weight and cash around? I don't remember a tourist and I am talking typical 21 day tourist ever to get killed. If you keep to yourself and remember why are you there then you will be fine. I rate AC much safer then many other simular or tourist palces around asia.

We hear about raids. Has anyone been through one? I know one guy but he was allowed to live right away. Those events are well targeted at bars / bar owners and the authorities know in advance who they are going after. They never bother the customers.

As for the odd ball extortion cases again we often here only one side of the story. Sure there are plenty of corrupt cops and bargirls but in general those events are VERY rare and most girls are SCARED of the police. A lot of the times the guy has brought it onto himself. People need to understand that you can't be an asshole in a foreign country and that $40 barfine is fuck all and from time to time be prepared to let it go. Treat them with respect and they will return the favour. Abuse them and sooner or latter you will run into one that will deal it back to you in spades.

Happy mongoring

[RCA Knight]

I am not an AC fan, but I feel quite safe in AC main red light area. If one stays in the main area, I don't think safety is a concern. AC does not really have any total innocent tourist victim, almost all murders were targeted. I think Pattaya has more innocent killing of tourists than AC, and also Pattaya has lots of mysterious foreigners falling off the condos.

Several years back, I encountered an incident in Pattaya, I was staying on Jomtien Beach, Pattaya, and I was waken up by lots of sirens very early morning about 5 AM, later someone said 2 Russian ladies got shot to death on the beach in front of the hotel, at first the Thai authority was blaming the Russian mafia, but days later, it turned out to be senseless robbery by some Thai thugs. This was the only time that a murder happened so close to me, and it was in Pattaya.

So hang out with the crowds, that's the best precaution. Personally I feel safer walking in main area AC than walking anywhere in Rio, Chang Ping, Manila at night.

[Sammon]

ac is a city of 315 000, add dau, san fernando and few other towns near by and you get close to 500 000. you can do anything from hot air ballooning, flying light aircraft and diving to hiking a volcano, shooting guns. 4wd driving, water fun in near by subic or the lake and so on. there are about 15 malls in ac but hey how many bother past the casino near the red light district? people love to hang shit and say there is nothing else to do but in reality we all get caught up in the pussy / drinking cycle that we never explore much else. how many of you have been to a philipino bar in ac? do you even know they exist and yes girls dance naked. ac has plenty to do but we never bother, we like what we do and once our time is over and we are back home we wonder why we didn't do much else and we come up with stupid conclusions like there was nothing else to do. then we hang shit on ac but we are back again and again. welcome to hotel california.

we hear about raids. has anyone been through one? i know one guy but he was allowed to live right away. those events are well targeted at bars / bar owners and the authorities know in advance who they are going after. they never bother the customers.

as for the odd ball extortion cases again we often here only one side of the story. sure there are plenty of corrupt cops and bargirls but in general those events are very rare and most girls are scared of the police. a lot of the times the guy has brought it onto himself. people need to understand that you can't be an asshole in a foreign country and that $40 barfine is fuck all and from time to time be prepared to let it go. treat them with respect and they will return the favour. abuse them and sooner or latter you will run into one that will deal it back to you in spades.

happy mongoringwe are tourists and as such cannot partake in local activities. even the expats for the most part stay away from local bars. the chances of getting into a fight is high if you visit local bars irrespective of girls are naked or not. these venues are strictly for locals and they want to keep it that away. they want prices to stay low not corrupted by weekend foreign millionares. right behind fields there are some local karaoke bars. it is fun if you have a local girl with you who knows somebody there. never pick up any girl there as she could be likely **** or have some disease and cannot get a job in foreigner oriented bars. although i should say some girls were really pretty and friendly. most mongers do frequent malls not necessarily to buy anything but to eat or with their barfinf gf. otherwise ac is strictly drink, fuck as many girls you want relax type of destination.

harry the horse has put an article saying he knows couple of customers detained on one of these raids. but there is no update of how and why it happened.

not heard of anybody else detained from the members on this forum.

**** scams, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) claim, physical abuse claims have been reported. but these are isolated cases compared of hundreds of barfines taking place daily. i am sure all these barfines ended up with sex atleast one time.

although the percentage is very low of incidents, if it happens to you the percentage is 100. there is nothing worse than going on vacation and getting embroiled in ugly situations.

[Frenzy3]

Mc don I met gangles in Cebu and know he had a good time here. Yet you claim you did not, the taxi scam in Cebu sounds like bs as I have never seen sm without taxi and to claim there are taxi driving arround with girls in them picking up people sounds like a porn movie. Your detailed reports read like porno fantasies. Do you post any photo or meet others from this forum.

The reason I post this as you dis out Cebu but love AC. I love Cebu and monger here I meet guys from the forums and they enjoy Cebu. Some even move from AC to Cebu.

Just saying it would be nice if you could confirm that you really are the deal and not a guy with a agenda.

[Member #4351]

Frenzy, IMHO nothing wrong with everyone following McDon's excellent reports and his advice. Let all the guys go to AC and Manila and forget about Cebu.

[Mr Enternational]

Frenzy, IMHO nothing wrong with everyone following McDon's excellent reports and his advice. Let all the guys go to AC and Manila and forget about Cebu.Thanks for the great advice. Just made me a reservation because of that! Now to choose a hotel.
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[Member #4351]

Jajajajajajajaja, OK Mr Enternational, but you're going to miss the second "ISG free lunch in Cebu" in April. You should put off your trip for about 6 weeks.

[Paulb]

Hi Jack.

There is a new bar down near korean end to town. My mates went there last week I will be catching up with them on weekend I get more details for you. It run by a couple x Altantas girls they have backing by2 aussie teller machines. Aussie like throwing there money away / I love you honey send more money honey. They told me it goes off busy, and nice girls to choose from. Bar fine was 1750. They took some photos I will post them when I get hold of his camera.


What is going on in ac? I have not been there since June why is there so many negatives? I am planning my next trip there in feb ac can not be as bad as everyone is reporting about paradise or as I like to call it sin city has plenty of positives then negatives. I have been a regular visitor there and I have had some of the best times there. You have to take the place for what it is the girls lie to us as we feed them a lot of bola bola as well at the end of the day if the make you happy what is the problem? Can some fellow members give me any details about any new hunting places there cheers for any info.

[Esteban30]

I just have come from Angeles City which I found disappointed.

There are many bars but it seems the prices have gone up.

You can take a lady for about 1. 800 – 2. 000 pesos.

In a few places the lowest price is 1. 500 pesos.

Drinks cost about 95 pesos.

Lady drink about 150 pesos average.

You do not pay for the lady. If you like one, just ask her to sit down with you, buy her a drink and converse. If everything is alright make sure she wants to go out with you, in that case you will have to buy a bottle of beverage, that means you are having the 'right' expense so that you are allowed to invite the girl go out with you.

Be careful because it is often the lady denies your temptation, I have seen that several times with my friends, make sure before buying the bottle, but a lady drink will worth it.

The best place I liked the most was called Tropix or something like that, just opposite Orchid Inn Resort.

I had no problem with any lady.

My own opinion. Despite all this report, I think it doesn't worth going there.

The town is just horrible, nothing to do there during the day, so make sure you have an accommodation with swimming pool.

The hotels are not cheap, you will spend no less for 1600 pesos if you want a low quality. There are others cheaper but they sucks.

About the ladies, as in other places there are very beautiful ones, but a lot of no interesting ones.

Most of them are quite dull, so expect to find bars with many ladies but not too much fun, quite boring watching them dancing (if it is considered a dance. Quite dull)

I enjoyed with some ladies but I would not come there again.

[Frenzy3]

Frenzy, IMHO nothing wrong with everyone following McDon's excellent reports and his advice. Let all the guys go to AC and Manila and forget about Cebu.Works for me LOL

[Mosquito2002]

Understand topic has already been covered, but looking for recent info:

Cost of ticket from BKK to Cebu?

Cost of ticket from BKK to AC?

Last resort ticket from BKK to Manila?

* Understand their are flts directly to AC from BKK / Utapau to AC. So that's another option!

Looking at late Jan timeframe (Asian Poker Tour tournament in Cebu in Feb, starting on 1 Feb) , able to stay 2-3 weeks!

[Fast Eddie 48]

Understand topic has already been covered, but looking for recent info:

Cost of ticket from BKK to Cebu?

Cost of ticket from BKK to AC?

Last resort ticket from BKK to Manila?

* Understand their are flts directly to AC from BKK / Utapau to AC. So that's another option!

Looking at late Jan timeframe (Asian Poker Tour tournament in Cebu in Feb, starting on 1 Feb) , able to stay 2-3 weeks!To MOS 2002.

There been many post about this you should RTFF Air asia fly from Bangkok to clark AC but it arrive very late is about 100 USD one way, more flight go to Manila from Bangkok none from Utapau Pattaya.

Fast Eddie 48

[The Rooster1]

A complaint about the blah blah. So, Rooster, where is your report?Good point WC. Since I live in AC part of the month every month, my reports are rather simple and uninteresting. A few nights a week I head out to a couple bars on Perimeter, hit the BJ bar for a quick one and then get really drunk playing pool or BSing with friends. Occasionally hit Fields and people watch as there is plenty to see. Then I go home and bang my smoking hot fiancee and go to sleep.

I have never had an issue anywhere in Asia and I do hit some local bars wherever I go. Maybe I know how to conduct myself and I'm a very friendly charismatic person. Not sure. Have Mongered all over Asia and AC is by far the best bang for your buck. I use to live in Cebu as well and I also like Cebu. Was very easy for me to pick up girls wherever I went, so many good girls.

Was in Pattaya a few weeks ago and had fun partying but I just don't enjoy the Thai's as much as filipina's. I use to work in BKK and had a steady gf also, My choice is a filipina hands down!

As far as Manila goes, I'm in and out as fast as possible. I like to hang out in the province as much as possible as that's where I have my most fun. Good people in the Phils, just have to venture out.

PEace out!

[Red Kilt]

Understand topic has already been covered, but looking for recent info:

Cost of ticket from BKK to Cebu?

Cost of ticket from BKK to AC?

Last resort ticket from BKK to Manila?I don't want to sound narky at this time of year Mozzy but wouldn't it be better to go to google or even an airline website and see what prices are on offer?

They change ALL the time, especially on airlines like Cebu Pacific who are always shuffling fares to fill up planes.

Ticket prices can vary by up to 3 or 4000 peso even between PAL and C-Pac for the same leg.

I think you are asking questions for which there are multiple options for answers.

[Mc Don]

Mc don I met gangles in Cebu and know he had a good time here. Yet you claim you did not, the taxi scam in Cebu sounds like bs as I have never seen sm without taxi and to claim there are taxi driving arround with girls in them picking up people sounds like a porn movie. Your detailed reports read like porno fantasies. Do you post any photo or meet others from this forum.

The reason I post this as you dis out Cebu but love AC. I love Cebu and monger here I meet guys from the forums and they enjoy Cebu. Some even move from AC to Cebu.

Just saying it would be nice if you could confirm that you really are the deal and not a guy with a agenda.Frenzy3, I got over 300 posts most in the Phils section of the forum because I enjoy this part of ISG. Here you get all sort of characters from which you can learn and improve your game. This is the most fun forum where we tend to discuss all sort of things from traffic, cabs, sex to politics to local holidays even stds LOL. Its weird but I have learned quite a lot from many senior members here so I post back and contribute as much as I can. I am not much into photos, I occasionally take some with my IPhone but I am not much good and I have no time to fuck around with editing software so I don't bother posting photos. I have meet few members from the forum but I tend to monger with my own friends that are non ISG members. I have also shared info with many ISG senior members LOL. If you meet Gangles and are around the same age as him then I am probably younger than your kids. I read Gangles report few weeks ago about your lifestyle so if you want to meet me in person to verify me LOL next time I am in Cebu drinks are on me you can point me in the right direction in Cebu.

As for Cebu I have no idea how you worked out that I am dishing Cebu. Read my last paragraph I actually recommend cebu for retirement and for people willing to spend more then few days. You need to look at my experience from a different angle, unlike you I don't have TIME. Time for me runs in hours and as you can see the second I land I am already chasing. Money is no concern but TIME is of essence. I think you may have misunderstood my comment about Cebu being city of averages. I did not mean anything bad by it, simply that Cebu has everything in a smaller package and whatever your game is you can find it. AC on the other hand exceeds in P4P but lacks few other things. Same can be said about Manila, transport being the key problem there. I know WR, Dave33 and few others here have made Cebu their playground but the difference between them and me is they spend far more time in Cebu then me and they nurture DIA or other internet relationships much more then me. Again if you read the last paragraph I wrote it clearly that I haven't given cebu a proper go as per how things should be done going on advice of senior members and their experiences. I don't see why you are getting so worked up mate, just relax.

Regarding the taxi story, I think few years down track it will be the only story I remember from this Cebu trip. Weird absolutely. What can I say, in the report you got everything the good, the bad, the ugly, the funny and the weird all in one no holds barred. I could have just written the good bits but I wrote it all for people to get out of it whatever they can. Some may learn a thing or two, I am from some of the commentary posted and sent to me in msgs, some may find it just a good entertainment, whatever. Point is its all there even the parts where I acted like an ass. What can I say, read the paragraph again, we are talking Friday night around 10. 30-11 pm, SM already closed with only the side bars / restaurants open. There were few taxi's but there was a que about the same size as my hotel. So I walked. I regrated it latter, LOL, number 14 at the hotel would have probably got me quicker. I don't think it was a set up scam, I think the cab driver saw an opportunity and worked an angle quickly. He probably saw me hailing cabs and he had a single girl, dressed in sexy clothes going to Mango Square. Not hard to work out what she was and not hard to tell her lets up the meter, the white boy will pay for it anyway, maybe you get a gig out of it too. I remember 194 peso at the point when I got picked up which was just a crazy amount, but I was already in. Personally the way I see it, for less then half a drink on burgos I got to enjoy the taxi ride, man I wish there are more taxis like that, I got no probs with being 'scammed'. In hindsight I made a mistake I should have asked the guy to turn back and take Ms V that night. I would have saved on drinks and time, and most likely would not have missed my flight. Instead I got drunk, got a girl that tried to cheat me and on the end I missed my flight. Another of MANY MISTAKES I MADE on this trip.

LOL if you are still hell bent on verifying my report LOL, I can give you the details of the 3 girls that I meet for lunch. I am curious if you can get more out of it, to be honest the rest of the situations I got my self into I can work out what and where I went wrong but that one I just can't put my finger to it. I can give you their dia names usual rules (no mention of me or the forum apply) have a crack at them if you find them attractive.

This is the last comment I write on this subject lets not make it personal if you have anything else you want clarified please pm me and can we not turn this into AC vs Cebu topic, the cities are too different to compare.

Have fun and happy mongering

[Dveight]

To MOS 2002.

There been many post about this you should RTFF Air asia fly from Bangkok to clark AC but it arrive very late is about 100 USD one way, more flight go to Manila from Bangkok none from Utapau Pattaya.

Fast Eddie 48Actually I think the flight you are referring to is SEAir, it can be booked through Tiger Air's website. It runs 3 (maybe 4) times a week and gets in right around 8:00pm so it is a little late, but it is by far a better deal than flying BKK to MNL, and then getting to AC from Manilla. No matter how you do it, there is no good way. The PAL flight from BKK gets to MNL around 6:00P. M, but you usually don't get to AC until after 9:00pm On the SEAir flight I was out in the bars before 9:00pm It really is a great flight. Cebu pacific also fly direct BKK to CRK, but it gets in at like 3:00 A. M, and it is always late or they cancel the flight. It only runs twice a week.

I paid less than 6000THB round trip BKK to CRK, and I had the max luggage, and picked my seat. 2 buddies flew with no luggage, just carry on, didn't reserve seats and they paid like 6, 000THB roundtrip for both of them, so it really is affordable.

[Dveight]

I just have come from Angeles City which I found disappointed.

There are many bars but it seems the prices have gone up.

You can take a lady for about 1. 800 – 2. 000 pesos.

In a few places the lowest price is 1. 500 pesos.

Drinks cost about 95 pesos.

Lady drink about 150 pesos average.

You do not pay for the lady. If you like one, just ask her to sit down with you, buy her a drink and converse. If everything is alright make sure she wants to go out with you, in that case you will have to buy a bottle of beverage, that means you are having the 'right' expense so that you are allowed to invite the girl go out with you.

Be careful because it is often the lady denies your temptation, I have seen that several times with my friends, make sure before buying the bottle, but a lady drink will worth it.

The best place I liked the most was called Tropix or something like that, just opposite Orchid Inn Resort.

I had no problem with any lady.

My own opinion. Despite all this report, I think it doesn't worth going there.

The town is just horrible, nothing to do there during the day, so make sure you have an accommodation with swimming pool.

The hotels are not cheap, you will spend no less for 1600 pesos if you want a low quality. There are others cheaper but they sucks.

About the ladies, as in other places there are very beautiful ones, but a lot of no interesting ones.

Most of them are quite dull, so expect to find bars with many ladies but not too much fun, quite boring watching them dancing (if it is considered a dance. Quite dull)

I enjoyed with some ladies but I would not come there again.You obviously spent most of your time on fields, if you go down to permitter everything is cheaper, and the girls are way more fun. 60Peso rum and diet coke's all day 1, 200Peso' barfines. I do hate that stupid purchase a bottle of PArty Animal BS, but that is the new AC, and the Fields Ave bars are trying to avoid the term barfine altogether. In one bar a waitress told us she wasn't allowed to talk about bar fines, when we ask what the price was, she had to go get a mamasan to tell us. It is defiantly changing, and not for the better, but still a lot of fun to be had in Angeles.

[Red Kilt]

I loved your reports McD. Just to put your mind at ease. It is very difficult for drivers to tamper with taxi meters these days as the LTRFB are the ones who seal them off and they are strict.

I think more likely the girl has come from Talisay or Toledo on the other side of Cebu island or even from Danao or further north and the meter reading would be accurate by the time they reached where you were picked up. Drivers often cut through that street near SM Mall coming from Mactan so I doubt it is a set up.

Don't worry about it. A few hundred pesos for entertainment and it might have ended up much better than it did.

Chill out mate and relax. And keep reporting in such great detail.

[WestCoast1]

McDon, those are about the most descriptive reports I've read. Great work. Newbs please read McDon's reports as an example, and please make your first post a full Field Report (ala McDon) , rather than a question for the board members.

[GoodEnough]

I want to add my kudos to McDon's insightful and amusing reports. They were thoroughly entertaining and I look forward to more of them.

Being about the same age as Gangles, I started to wonder whether some of the differences in perspectives and criteria for satisfaction with this or that city isn't somewhat related to age. I know when I was (much) younger, I was like the proverbial kid in the candy store, wanting to sample as much of each variety of candy as I could swallow during intermitten sojourns in various countries. I too, always felt pressed by time.

My needs, or perhaps my viewpoints, have changed with age and I'm no longer as frenetic when hitting a different city or country. The interest is still there, but it's more measured and much less intense. I'm not at all disparaging the younger guys by sayinig this. They have energy and the newness of discovery on their side.

GE

[MauiDude]

I loved your reports McD. Just to put your mind at ease. It is very difficult for drivers to tamper with taxi meters these days as the LTRFB are the ones who seal them off and they are strict.

I think more likely the girl has come from Talisay or Toledo on the other side of Cebu island or even from Danao or further north and the meter reading would be accurate by the time they reached where you were picked up. Drivers often cut through that street near SM Mall coming from Mactan so I doubt it is a set up.

Don't worry about it. A few hundred pesos for entertainment and it might have ended up much better than it did.

Chill out mate and relax. And keep reporting in such great detail.There is no doubt in my mind that some drivers do tamper with the meter.

I took a taxi and I knew almost to the pesos what the charge should be. At least the normal range because.

There can be some variation with how they drive and the route.

But on one taxi I was very familiar with the cost.

At the end of the trip I saw it was at least 100 pesos overcharge.

I told the driver that I knew it was not accurate and that I know what the rate should be.

He then told me to pay what ever I thought was the right fair.

No arguement no anger. I paid him less then full fare and he said.

Thank you sir.

Now here s the part where I am a sucker.

I still gave him a tip.

Over the usual fare.

Because I thought he was so cool about being caught

[MauiDude]

Works for me LOLI can verify that mcdon is real guy. And no bs.

Now also it is very true that we all have different expierences which are luck or? What ever.

When I first came to Philippines it was Singapore to cebu.

It was absolutely fantastic. And I was so happy with my expierences that I wanted to move to cebu.

Eventually I travelled around.

Angeles was the last place on earth that I thought I would ever want to go.

But I came and loved it.

Yes the girls being the best part.

But also meeting people and making friends was easy and everything seem to be within a small.

Radius that I could walk everywhere.

Then I also discovered subic bay close by for ocean recreation.

Yes not much to do during the day but fuck and recover from the night before.

But walk around and meet daytime girls.

Or go subic for the day?

Or go mall to the movies.

My problem is no matter where I go I get bored and I need different girls and variety.

My last trip to cebu was not so good but thanks to wicked roger I did have some opportunity to meet some hot girls.

Maybe my timing was bad.

And my changing attitude towards the scene is the biggest reason I enjoy a see more.

Some places just work better for some guys while other places for other guys.

Good that we can find our favorite places.

Its amazing too as I go bar hoping. My expierence in each bar is different at different times so one may be a favorite palce one month and then become my least favorite another month.

One mans trash is another mans treasure. Etc

[Red Kilt]

There is no doubt in my mind that some drivers do tamper with the meter.Given the 1000s of taxis in Manila then "no doubt" you are right Maui but this will be a minority. The LTRFB seal them and they recheck them on regular occasions.

An owner of a large fleet of taxis lives in my condo. He told me that his drivers are on instant dismissal if they try to tamper with the meter which is difficult to do anyway without giving it away.

In your case you knew the fare so you were able to call him on it.

Are you sure it was set on zero (40 php) when you started?

I was 'caught' one day after we had gone around 200 meters by the meter showing 80php because the driver "forgot" to stop and restart the meter from previous fare. I think it was a genuine mistake by the driver (hehe don't laugh) because he said "sorry Sir, just deduct 40 php from the fare when we arrive". I suspect it was a clever way to get extra cash AND at the same time to give him an easy way to save face if I caught him which I did. No aggro at all on either side.

[MauiDude]

Mc don I met gangles in Cebu and know he had a good time here. Yet you claim you did not, the taxi scam in Cebu sounds like bs as I have never seen sm without taxi and to claim there are taxi driving arround with girls in them picking up people sounds like a porn movie. Your detailed reports read like porno fantasies. Do you post any photo or meet others from this forum.

The reason I post this as you dis out Cebu but love AC. I love Cebu and monger here I meet guys from the forums and they enjoy Cebu. Some even move from AC to Cebu.

Just saying it would be nice if you could confirm that you really are the deal and not a guy with a agenda.I did a post that also had response on your question here?

I never have seen taxis get guys when they have girls in.

But all kind of crazy things happen in pi.

And some of us just have crazy things happen.

I have money taken out of my pocket by airport security and they try to keep it. Probably not happen to everyone or even to very many.

Guys. But three times now I had security grabbing or telling me to give them money.

I like cebu okay. But angeles is my favorite place and I have been here four years.

Of course now I have two jet skis in subic and have lots of things to do. And love it when I get six girls out on jet skis and we find private places on the ocean.

[MauiDude]

given the 1000s of taxis in manila then "no doubt" you are right maui but this will be a minority. the ltrfb seal them and they recheck them on regular occasions.

an owner of a large fleet of taxis lives in my condo. he told me that his drivers are on instant dismissal if they try to tamper with the meter which is difficult to do anyway without giving it away.

in your case you knew the fare so you were able to call him on it.

are you sure it was set on zero (40 php) when you started?

i was 'caught' one day after we had gone around 200 meters by the meter showing 80php because the driver "forgot" to stop and restart the meter from previous fare. i think it was a genuine mistake by the driver (hehe don't laugh) because he said "sorry sir, just deduct 40 php from the fare when we arrive". i suspect it was a clever way to get extra cash and at the same time to give him an easy way to save face if i caught him which i did. no aggro at all on either side.i have had that happen also. but i always look at the meter when i get in the cab and check it. i like to let the driver know that i am not an easy mark. if i don't see the meter right away i tell him to turn on the meter. i have jumped out of moving cabs. not too much speed because the driver gives me shit about the meter and fare.

i can get tough with the drivers but also i can be very generous if i feel they are just honest guys trying to make a living for their family. i am very generous to these guys mostly.

but still one fixed meter out of a hundred cabs that i have taken that is good odds.

on another idea i was thinking about gettting in a cab and drive around and have the driver stop if i see a hot girl and see if i could get a date or porn star action? or another way of meeting girls. i like the variety of approaching girls and meeting them?

anyone else ever try this.

i think if i did that in usa i would be arrested?

i knew a guy in cebu that wanted to rent out girls to walk with guys in the mall and help with introductions?

of course better if you meet them on your own.

but some of my girls.

go out their way to find girls for me and its just another interesting way to find girls.

i keep looking for the diamonds and have to meet hundreds to find one that i want to spend time with

[Ickywicky]

In Angeles city, a little drunk typing this.

Last night I arrived and went to the american hotel. Christmas eve! I walked around and met some foreigners at an awesome restaurant nearby. Delicious food. And they we so friendly there.

Then I went down to the strip. It was Christmas, so some things were closed. Also eleven o clock at night so I was late. It was bad conditions in general. I went into dollhouse and saw the GREATEST ass ever. I was amazed. I Had them call her over and I talked to her. Such a pretty girl. But then I found out she was a cherry girl. DEPRESSING AS HELL.

After cherry girl iwandered around all night in a fugue. I didn't see any girls. I met this awesome friendly guy with five girls and we drank at a club together, I said I'd take policewoman (girl number four) home. But when in my drunken state I wavered' ended up walking out alone an heading to mcdonaldsp. It was about five and I ended up going back to hotel. No girl, too drunk, all because of cherry girl!

Now its going on to day two.

[Gangles]

if i understand the taxi fare system, there are two rates per km.

one for daytime, and one for night time. the night rate is higher than the day rate.

but i have not yet figured out, or found out, how to recognise the rate that i am actually being charged.

does anyone here know?

g.


i have had that happen also. but i always look at the meter when i get in the cab and check it. i like to let the driver know that i am not an easy mark. if i don't see the meter right away i tell him to turn on the meter. i have jumped out of moving cabs. not too much speed because the driver gives me shit about the meter and fare.

i can get tough with the drivers but also i can be very generous if i feel they are just honest guys trying to make a living for their family. i am very generous to these guys mostly.

but still one fixed meter out of a hundred cabs that i have taken that is good odds.

on another idea i was thinking about gettting in a cab and drive around and have the driver stop if i see a hot girl and see if i could get a date or porn star action? or another way of meeting girls. i like the variety of approaching girls and meeting them?

anyone else ever try this.

i think if i did that in usa i would be arrested?

i knew a guy in cebu that wanted to rent out girls to walk with guys in the mall and help with introductions?

of course better if you meet them on your own.

but some of my girls.

go out their way to find girls for me and its just another interesting way to find girls.

i keep looking for the diamonds and have to meet hundreds to find one that i want to spend time with

[Frenzy3]

I can verify that mcdon is real guy. And no bs.

Now also it is very true that we all have different expierences which are luck or? What ever.



Its amazing too as I go bar hoping. My expierence in each bar is different at different times so one may be a favorite palce one month and then become my least favorite another month.

One mans trash is another mans treasure. EtcYeah I know now not to doubt mcdon. Cebu needs a week or more if your here for a few days stick to bars if you have the cash go to arena my girls are arena quality girls. The barfine there is 8000. If you stay in Cebu a week or more you can try picking up girls but most of the time in discos and malls the girls are freelancers so stick to girls who work in shops.

I live here and find girls via my contacts and just going out, some girls I meet the family if I have to as some girls are not allowed out alone. These girls are the same as the girls who work in the shops but need cash as they have no job. I still meet freelancers and go to bars I call PI pussy heaven.

[Mc Don]

Continued from Cebu tread.

I landed in Manila around 1. 30pm. I had only carryon luggage only so I quickly exited the airport to find my usual ABC driver at the front. He quickly got the car and off we went. Traffic to get out of Manila was horror I guess with Christmas on the corner it should have been expected. I spent the 2 hr drive reading newspapers and organizing my Indonesian trip on my laptop. Smart has a decent coverage all the way to AC. You can check email, log on to DIA and browse the internet. It's not a bad way to kill the time I guess. I also had to sent out few txts to my Manila girls. I had couple of dates planned for the weekend there. One of my regulars couple of weeks before my trip got a job in Makati, not far from the New World so we were planning and talked about a lunchtime quickie sending her panty less back to work. She was so worked up about it that last few days she was sending me countdown txts. I have done shit like this before but for her it was new. A true friend with benefits LOL, I get to fuck her brains out she gets to enjoy it. I feed her some bullshit story how I had to cut my trip short and she bought it saying next time. Anyway we stopped on the way to get some food and drinks and around 3. 30 we were in the ABC. I texted Ms J to come over and about 30 min latter she was walked in the pool bar. We had lunch and I apologized for laying to her and after receiving a lecture from her how she allowed me to do everything I wanted, while I left her hanging around and how I broke my promise to her she finally forgive me and we moved into my room for some make up sex. What can I say this whole trip turned out nothing like I planned it. The initial plan was to have a gf experience with Ms J for a about a 7-8 days before 3 days in cebu followed with 2 days in Manila. Ms J expected I spend all my time with her but once my friends made arrangements that all went out of the window. So I did feel like I owed it to her, she has been great to me and on top of that she was a freebee. We fucked for a while before she noticed my leg. She laughed saying karma, karma jumping on the bed. She took one of the spankers that I brought from my beg and started dancing and smacking me with it. Watching her laying down on the bed it felt like one of those POV porns with her on top doing the give me, give me, give me dance shaking her butt. My friend also called to check in on me and we decided to barhop 2gether with girls in tow around 10ish. Few more drinks I turned the spa on and get back to bad for a massage from Ms J. She then tells me that in order to make it up to her for all the shit I did she wants me to swim naked in the pool. I agree knowing very well what this will lead to. Nice massage then we move to the spa for more fun and another session, few more drinks and my leg finally feels numb enough so I am ready for the barhop. We meet at reception with my friend and his honey, a girl he often hangs with, her and Ms J know each other from our September trip so they quickly start yelling at each other in a typical filpina fashion. They want to take the spankers with us so they can have fun in the bars like last time so they go to my room while I tell my wingman about the cebu trip. We get dropped off at the back of Love and Music and we start the night there. Few drinks there we get the DJ to play the latest Pitbull songs the girls go wild, a Korean customer does the money rain, another VIP regular rings the bell twice (over the phone LOL his girl in the bar did the ringing he will pick up the tab in few days when he arrives) both of our girls get up and dance with the girls there, the spankers come out and its mayhem, first they spank each other but acting like it hurts screaming on every hit. Then they turn on the girls inside and the few that haven't seen it before are running while the once that remember it from few months ago happy pose to be smacked. Its fun. We move on to the Dragon Boat or something like that, its an upstairs bar that I liked few days ago. Decent shows my friends girl start jumping up and down when he sees a 'spot light' girl doing a dance saying that use to be her old mamasan and now she is a dancer. We decide to send her to go and tip her old mamasan LOL, which she does smiling. Some older gent then decides to get on stage and dance too my girl goes and tips him 20 peso which he laughs off. Blue Nile was next, I was looking for Ms X I guess beside Ms J she was the only one I would have loved to spend a bit more time with. I was told she is not working, she is sick, so I called and txted her but I got no replay. I thought maybe she got barfined and didn't think much else to be honest. From there we got a shawarma in front of Genesis and we go inside for a drink. Nice, place is full plenty of girls but it gets boring too quick. Mamasan comes and says Hello, telling me my usual girl has a day off do I want to see a new girl that started today but I decline and we move on the next lot of bars. We quickly do Voodoo, Dirty Duck and Club Asia. Nothing to report except some good music in Voodoo. In front of Atlantis we find another spanking victim a girl with a nice butt so we tip her 50 but we spank her on the street. Its funny with people watching all around. Near skytrax on the corner street there we got persuaded by a sexy Santas helper to visit a bar called Butterfly Rock. CHECK IT OUT. It's a good rock bar, Dutch by the looks of it with all Dutch football flags hanging on top of it. Few good lookers that were happy to be spanked before getting the spankers from the girls and spanking everyone on the stage. Angelwitch for few more drinks before we called it a night. ABC car picked us up, my friend and his girl quickly disappeared in his room while we were getting ready to go swimming. What can I say the water was so fucken cold that I quickly sobered up LOL, I figured this is like icing my leg so after few good minutes of debating it in my head I jumped. Ms J didn't feel as cold so who knows but then they hardly ever use worm water for anything. My swim shorts came out under the cave with Ms J laughing. She quickly shut her mouth once I started to undress her too. There was a guy with a girl in the restaurant that we could see but I doubt they could see us or what was going on but it made the whole thing I guess more exciting. After few minutes of kissing and rubbing I was hard and I entered her few times before she pulled out wanting to explore the rest of the pool. We put our swimwear on and climbed to the other section of the pool which was wormer. We ended up in the secret room few minutes later, locked the doors, put the showers on and had a great session there. They need to put better condoms inside damn, those local trust are hard to put on. Good 20-30 min or so with rain showers on top of us, few positions but it got hard stepping on the soft matrices with my leg. I cum inside her ass on the end and we lay down for few more minutes smiling. We got out of the service entrance, quickly collecting our stuff before going back to our room. Quick shower again and that was it. We were both too tired for much else.

[Mc Don]

I wake up with Ms J giving me blow job. It was a routine for her she knew how to press my buttons. This is why when you find a good thing its better to keep rather than constantly hop around hoping for a better one. I knew this yet on this trip I was in constant pursuit. Silly I know but sometimes we just can't resist the temptations. Ms J smiled when she saw me open my eyes and soon was riding me hard and wearing me off quickly so I turned her around for some nice doggy style pounding before cuming all over her back. Great way to start the day. Breakfast was nice and quick at the ABC restaurant then she wanted to go shopping but my leg was hurting so I told her I will stay in the room instead. She laughed again saying karma but when she saw that I wasn't laughing and was struggling to walk she called her sister and told her about my leg. Half an hour latter her sister with another girl came to the hotel to 'fix' my leg. What can I say, it hurt like hell I was biting the pillow at times as the other girl was massaging pulling on my leg remorselessly. Ms J's sister was getting into the porn on the tv and I could see Ms J also watching right next to her on the sofa. Her sis was a typical tomboy lesbo but her other sisters were fine. She has 3 younger sisters 2 – 16 year old twins, which in few years hmmm now that would be nice. I remember wondering about it for a sec or two and then hearing my leg pop once again. They talked something it tagalog then Ms J came over saying I am not to wet the leg for the next few days. I gave the girl 500 peso and she left with her sis. It hurt like hell far more than before and I was skeptical if this helped at all. Few days later my leg was great so I guess she knew what she was doing. We spent the day in the room mostly drinking and fucking before my wingman came over with another girl he picked up at the Mc Ds (I think he is onto something here, few times now I have noticed girls hanging around, has anyone else had luck there?). It was my last night so he was happy to do whatever I can come up with and hurt or no hurt I was simply not going to have a quite night. Loaded on pain killers and alcohol it was once again time to engage in the art of barhopping. I stole a lucky one peso coin from the pool bar statute as we had tequila shot to start the night and off to Love and Music we went. From that point the coin was to decide everything. Each one is to take a turn asking the coin a question tails means yes heads means no. Love and music my turn – do we buy drinks or continue – NO. We quickly walk through, Blue Nile – Yes, place was good packed. We had a seat on the tables next to the stage and had a good time. I again tried to find Ms X but she was not working, one girl I have barfined in the past told me she is hasn't worked for few days and was sick. Tried calling and texting again got no replay. Ms J flipped the coin do we body shot our cute waitress coin said yes – 5 tequilas on the table, tits out and the four of us sucking on the waitresses tits like little piglets taking turns. Next was Cambodia, coin said yes so we went in. No room to seat and there was no way I was getting up the stairs but coin said yes so we bought tequilas from the cute tequila girl and moved on. Coin said yes to Fantasy which was also good, and my friend tossed a yes to buy a ladies drink to a girl he liked there. Spinner with tits I could see it in his eyes he was thinking how to work her into a threesome but on the end decided to have her some other time after all he was there for another couple of weeks. Champaign, Dirty Duck and Voodoo were NO, then the coin decided YES to Forbidden City. I have always hated this bar for some reason the shows remain the same the only thing changed over time is the decline in quality of the girls. Coin decides yes to Devil Witch a new bar near Kokomoz but it too has disappointing stock on display. Quick drink there then coin decides NO to La Bamba I was kinda looking forward to it, I didn't get a chance to check it out before and normally it's a good place for me, Geckos we boycotted due to the recent event we discussed on the forum, funny how word spreads around few girls I spoke to knew about it. We ended up at the dollhouse where my friend once again found something he liked. The coin decided he buys her a drink then body shot then bar fine. I have no idea how he talked the other girl into it but she seemed ok, who knows maybe they discussed this before. I was busy with Ms J riding me in the corner obviously a bit drunk by now. She wasn't wearing panties and I could feel her wetness as I holding her. Lucky the girl that my friend barfined was back quick so we moved on to the next joint. Coyote ugly was crap, the we got into brown sugar. My friend at that point lost the plot (he rarely drinks) so he once again decided to tip everyone there, I can't work that one out but he loves having them line up and had over 20-50 peso tips for no good reason at all. Oh well, who am I to judge as long as he is having fun the rest doesn't matter. Next bar was Alaska. Coin said yes and we were seated at back by the wall. It was fun. We had a nice waitress that coin said we buy her a drink which turned interesting as she asked for a tequila and asked my friend if she could body shoot his Dollhouse girl. Offcouse dear, have two was the quick replay and I could see him wonder once again if perhaps another in tow would be a wise idea. All of the sudden what I a customer throws a glass at one of the girls on stage and the glass breaks behind the girl in the mirrors. Girls move towards ends of the stage, manager, mamasan, security everyone is on their feet. The guy is Asian and looks pissed off, the girl is in shock and her friends are around her. Security has a chat to him, glass is cleaned up in what seems like 30 seconds and girls slowly get back to dance but there is a gap at the centre of the stage where the guy is standing. We called the girl down and bought her a drink seating her right between us. Just as she sat down she started crying. Good on her for holding it together on stage it must have been one hell of an experience. She had one small cut on the back of her leg and one on her hand. From our girls we got that the guy was a philipino and he was drunk. She was crying for few minutes then we started tickling her and cracking jokes to get her to smile which on the end she did. My leg was hurting and to be honest Ms J was giving me the lets fuck signs so I decided to call it a night with my friend deciding to stick around to make sure the girl gets back on stage. What can I say hero shit in places like this is stupid. Her own bar failed to protect her us sticking our necks out was dumb. Sure we did a good thing but we could have easily ended up like the two ausies in Bali few days later that interfered in a local fight. I guess it's hard to stay out of it in some cases. Amazing session with Ms J followed in the room with lots of biting from her which was new. She was in the mood for trying things so the pair of handcuffs that I keep in my bag of goodies at the hotel came out and quickly I had her handcuffed with hands behind her back. I have no idea how long I lasted but it was a brutal session that ended up with anal bent over the desk. Shower with handcuffs on, dragging her around the room by her hair and a blow job on her knees before going to bed. I left her handcuffed but the athletic little thing she is she managed to slip her legs behind the handcuffs and bring her hands forward. Eventually I unlocked her she wanted to cuddle few hours later and this time we had a nice easy session although I could feel her nails in my back at times.

[Mc Don]

I walk up around 11ish with Ms J between my legs again. This time she gives me a nice long blow job and I cum deep in her throat. She hates that but it's my last day so I know she will let me get away with it. She swallows a bit then she spits the rest in the bathroom as I make arrangements about my airport drop of and late check out. I am on the 8 pm Cebu Pacific flight to Jakarta from manila so I ask if I could keep the room until 4. 30. Reception was cool with that and they organized the car for me as well. Outside my room I could hear my friend laughing at the pool bar as we get dressed and go outside for a breakfast. Omelet with jack and coke and a quick recap of last night, it seems we all enjoyed the coin game. My friend with his girls went back to his room for I guess one last round while we went to SM for some last minute shopping. A pair of jeans for Ms J (1000 peso) and few toys for my niece and a toy for Ms S's kid (150 peso) and we were done. Quick look at the cinema but there was no time, we ended up buying some baklava and cake and went back to the ABC. We spend the afternoon at the pool bar, sharing the cakes with the girls there. Ms S was very thankful LOL, couple of times she went to my room to 'thank' me but I wasn't going to do anything with Ms J around. Over the past few days she texted me quite a lot, and I can sense sexual tension was building but lets leave her for next time maybe. I was more than happy with what I had and around 3-3. 30 we went back into the room for one last round. One last good hard fuck before I packed and checked out. I gave Ms J a ride to Dau where her relos live, she decided to stay for few more days in AC before going back home to Manila. I offered money once again she refused and refused so I ended up giving her only the golden bracelet ($150) I brought her from Australia. We said goodbyes in Dau, and we are still in touch.

On the way to the airport I got the laptop on again and caught up with some work. I thought I was going to miss the flight but the driver pulled some amazing shortcuts and we avoided the EDSA traffic jam and somehow ended up on Roxas Bul. We passed the US Embassy or I should say fortress and I sent out my final goodbyes to all those that made this trip pleasant. As I was passing through immigration I got a call from Ms X saying that she just got released from hospital. Apparently the pain in her chest turned out more serious then we both thought and she was thankful that I pushed her to go see a doctor and get X Rays done. She told me that her doctor has suggested she quit the bar because her body can't take the smoke and that she will now have to find another job. Man I wish I leaved in phils she would have certainly made a great maid or something LOL. I wished her luck we exchanged emails and that was it. Of to Jakarta we go.

Thanks to everyone that commented, I guess few notes for the end.

AC is developing quite quickly folks. There is a new hotel that is almost done in the middle of fields. Another White house / hospital in Thai style. Rumor has it that it's the Louise and Grant group behind it. A new hotel near the ABC is also almost done, with work on it 24/7. Further down in perimeter Air Asia is building Tune Hotel which if I remember well is due to open up around May. It would be a great addition to those that are after clean and basic accommodation if it turns out like the other Tunes. Air Asia occasionally has crazy specials like rooms for $1 so I think this one may be worth keeping an eye on it. The airport works in AC and Cebu is also coming to an end. In AC they still land the planes far from the bridges so one has to wonder what was the point of even building them but hey maybe in few months they will be fully functioning.

As oppose to last two times (September and October) I saw a big increase in customers. Perhaps with typhoon season ending more people are willing to make the trip but it was noticeable. Bars were fuller and on the street there was far more people. Fields or Don Juico Ave has now traffic issues, I know it's a narrow street and there was jams before but never like this. It took 20 minutes from ABC to the Jollibee around 4. 30 – 5pm. With the addition of few more hotels I think things are about to get worse.

Happy new year to everyone and may the mongering Gods look after you in 2012

[Mc Don]

I loved your reports McD. Just to put your mind at ease. It is very difficult for drivers to tamper with taxi meters these days as the LTRFB are the ones who seal them off and they are strict.

I think more likely the girl has come from Talisay or Toledo on the other side of Cebu island or even from Danao or further north and the meter reading would be accurate by the time they reached where you were picked up. Drivers often cut through that street near SM Mall coming from Mactan so I doubt it is a set up.

Don't worry about it. A few hundred pesos for entertainment and it might have ended up much better than it did.

Chill out mate and relax. And keep reporting in such great detail.RK, I agree and in Manila you can see the new meters, but how many of them are in the provinces? To be honest I don't remember if the guy had an old or new meter but I saw what I saw. He handed the girl a 100 peso bill, one of the 3 with which I paid him. She didn't deny it when I asked her to pay for her entrance to Julianas either. I wish I never saw it but I did. Who knows what happened but I just didn't like the idea that they thought that they conned me. Interesting part is that she was the nicest one in Julianas when we walked in. I should have taken her but I decided to check few other places around and that was it. It was a great experience in future I need to chill and maybe let go of small silly stunts like this one and just seize the opportunity.

[WestCoast1]

All 11 of McDon's reports should be in the Reports Of Distinction. A lesson for Macho Dik, newbs, and I guess all of us (and someday: TC1) : be descriptive!

[Dflostrife]

Hello guys,

Quick question I been seen DIA in different posts. Can some one give me some info on what DIA is and stuff like that.

Thanks

[WestCoast1]

Hello, guys,

Quick question I been seen DIA in different posts. Can some one give me some info on what DIA is and stuff like that.

ThanksWhy did you post that in the Angeles City thread? Why not the General Info thread?

[Red Kilt]

RK, I agree and in Manila you can see the new meters, but how many of them are in the provinces? To be honest I don't remember if the guy had an old or new meter but I saw what I saw. He handed the girl a 100 peso bill, one of the 3 with which I paid him. She didn't deny it when I asked her to pay for her entrance to Julianas either. I wish I never saw it but I did. Who knows what happened but I just didn't like the idea that they thought that they conned me. Interesting part is that she was the nicest one in Julianas when we walked in. I should have taken her but I decided to check few other places around and that was it. It was a great experience in future I need to chill and maybe let go of small silly stunts like this one and just seize the opportunity.Cebu is hardly what we refer to as "the provinces" McD. In fact, the LTRFB in Cebu goes even harder than the Manila office regarding errant taxi drivers.

I can understand your angst at the very idea that the girl and driver may have been out to scam you but looking at it positively you could have scored a very pleasant night out of it. Perhaps they had been driving around for quite a while running up the meter and looking for an opportunity and then they saw you!

You diagnosed for yourself the correct response. "It was a great experience. In future I need to chill and maybe let go of small silly stunts like this one and just seize the opportunity"

Any more posts? They are great reading.

[Philosophery]

I just spent 4 days in Angeles (24-27).

I found that many girls left for the Christmas holidays. Club Asia (my favorite bar) had 40% of the normal attendance. Same in Forbidden, dirty duck and Atlantis. I also saw a lot less punters in the bars as well. And most of the bar hoppers were Korean. I am hoping that this is a Christmas phenomena. The girls told me that most of the girls would be back by the new year.

But RNB was packed (with locals) celebrating the holidays. Had a good time there with my latest squeeze and her friends.

[X Man]

Kokomos. Is the food getting worse?

The mango shake was white and didn't taste like mango. The Philly cheesesteak had a most unpleasant semi-hard white cheese semi-attached to the top, and the bottom one-third of the bread was soaked thru with grease. Yum.

[Slippery]

Kokomos. Is the food getting worse?

The mango shake was white and didn't taste like mango. The Philly cheesesteak had a most unpleasant semi-hard white cheese semi-attached to the top, and the bottom one-third of the bread was soaked thru with grease. Yum.X its a Filipino enema. Enjoy your stay and Happy New Year.

[FreebieFan]

Hello, guys,

Quick question I been seen DIA in different posts. Can some one give me some info on what DIA is and stuff like that.

ThanksIts a website where theres lots of pics of girls. (and guys too ). What you do with it is up to you.

[Ekspat]

Kokomos. Is the food getting worse?The food was all the time sub-standard there, wondering whether it's even possible to make this food still worse.