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Fastpiston

07-16-07, 08:09

I spent 10 days last months in AC. It was the VERY low season.

For the first girl taken in Dirty Dick I was the first customer for three weeks (she was only in the bar for three weeks). The boss a guy from Norway asks me to take care her. I just said that Pouppard is a gentleman with girls. I treat them as my GF.

Barfine was 1300 pesos. Around 20 euros and I tip her with 500 pesos after a three hours short time with two shots. She was very enthousiast. A very good LBFM. She has had Filipino BF before....

Then at Bunny Ranch, I found a stunner... (no name) I was the ONLY customer in the bar... I paid the 1300 barfine... I stay with her a whole week... and gave her 200 euros as a tip... i know that it is too much but she was amazing.

Anyway... in Angeles City it is the VERY low season. Many girls (but few stunners) and not so much customers... And if you are less than 50 years old, you are a young and desirable guy in AC.

Enjoy

I say this on this board at nauseum: PLEASE do not over pay for mongering. You spoil the market for yourself and others. The girls talk and expectations rise, they get spoiled. Do you want Phils to get like Thailand where money is everthing - as a result of stupid short term visitors throwing their money around? You do far better for the market by flushing your money down the toilet. The irony of it is the girls actually have a laugh at the guys who overpay. Also do not say Phils is so cheap compared to US / Europe - they are different markets.

Pute Nut

07-16-07, 11:01

I say this on this board at nauseum: PLEASE do not over pay for mongering. You spoil the market for yourself and others. The girls talk and expectations rise, they get spoiled.

Fastpiston,

We're already there, more or less. Just let them pay their 200 Euros and feel good about themselves (I hope they tip their French GF's a couple thousand Euros per week too). When they are gone, and the girls have their dire needs and emergencies, such as Jollibee cravings etc, 200 Pesos will be just as (or even more) welcome.

The irony of it is the girls actually have a laugh at the guys who overpay.

Exactly. I love hearing the stories from the girls about "stupid, fucking Mike in US" who just sent 200 US.. (BTW if you're Mike..this is a recent AC BG quote lol)

if you are less than 50 years old, you are a young and desirable guy in AC.

If you're under 100 with wallet & some pulse you will be desirable and handsome guy in AC.

Wazza88

07-17-07, 00:22

I spent 10 days last months in AC. It was the VERY low season.

For the first girl taken in Dirty Dick I was the first customer for three weeks (she was only in the bar for three weeks). The boss a guy from Norway asks me to take care her. I just said that Pouppard is a gentleman with girls. I treat them as my GF.

Barfine was 1300 pesos. Around 20 euros and I tip her with 500 pesos after a three hours short time with two shots. She was very enthousiast. A very good LBFM. She has had Filipino BF before....

Then at Bunny Ranch, I found a stunner... (no name) I was the ONLY customer in the bar... I paid the 1300 barfine... I stay with her a whole week... and gave her 200 euros as a tip... i know that it is too much but she was amazing.

Anyway... in Angeles City it is the VERY low season. Many girls (but few stunners) and not so much customers... And if you are less than 50 years old, you are a young and desirable guy in AC.

EnjoyPute Nut and Fastpiston.

Fortunately it is the minority over paying for mongering. Some newbie Europeans, some Japanese and some Koreans. It is not the general rule.

Poupard2000 was obviously a newbie on his cherry trip. For example, he barfines a stunner for one week and she gets 7x p650=p4350 plus (200 euros) another p13, 000. All up some p17, 000 for one week! WTF. This person was obviously thinking with his little head. (no flame intended here).

Hopefully, people like this are far and few between and do not come to AC that often. JMHO

Hesekiels

07-17-07, 22:55

... some newbie Europeans, some Japanese and some Koreans. It is not the general rule...

Wazza88:

And even if the Koreans over tip, so what? No matter if it is the general rule, or not! As long as the official prices for a barfine do not rise it's no big deal at all! Last April one cuty from Lancelot asked me in the morning for a 2,000 (!) peso tip ("because the Koreans give me always that much"). But due to her lousy performance she left with not even one additional centavo ("hey, girl, I had no fun with you and furthermore I am no Korean, understood"!?)! What could she do except being utterly disgusted? Virtually nothing!

Gentlemen, be wise and keep in mind, the decision about any tip is always up to you! Consequently I am wondering how newbies or Koreans could spoil the market for the rest of us? Maybe somebody can enlighten me?

For good orders sake, depending on my level of satisfaction I usually tip with 300 to 500 pesos max! Sure, for some mates that's already too much, whereas others might consider me as a 'Cheap Charlie'! Purely a matter of taste, but again, so what?!

IMHO, of course!

Cheers - Hesekiels

MisterMax808

07-17-07, 23:06

I just received a text from an AC bargirl. It seems that some are now asking for 3, 000 pesos per day. Let's just say "NO!"

Ekspat

07-18-07, 06:03

It seems that some are now asking for 3, 000 pesos per day.
As barfine or what do you mean?

Hesekiels

07-18-07, 18:10

As barfine or what do you mean?

Must be the barfine for a 'Stardancer' from Dollhouse!?

MisterMax808

07-18-07, 18:56

Not barfine. She was a former bargirl. Now, a FL with her other beautiful girlfriends. They have sponsors, but always looking for "side" money. But wants 3, 000 pesos per day for her company. Don't worry. I said "No"! But I had heard of other girls talking about the number 3, 000. And I know that Dollhouse showgirls BF is 3, 000. I was just thinking that the number 3, 000 is becoming a bargirl's goal.

James Bowen

07-18-07, 22:54

I've been to Thailand several times, but never been to the Philippines before. I plan on visiting Angeles City mid-August for about a week.

Any suggestions or words of wisdom?

Buko Max

07-19-07, 00:11

Any suggestions or words of wisdom?
Hello JB,

Welcome to the forum! Your question is too general. What you need to do is go back and read through the previous reports. You will find plenty of wit and wisdom dating back almost 5 years! In a nutshell visiting AC is a "No brainer".

Have a good trip!

Aussiec

07-19-07, 01:46

Well do your homework and read reports in last 6 months and you will have a pretty good indication how it all is in Angeles. The major difference from Philippines verse Thailand is that in the Philippines the girls are more girlfriend related where they try to get you hook to support them after you leave. Some want to come to USA and generally you are there ticket out of the third world country. Its a different kind of game here cuz in Thailand the girls don't want to leave There country and they just want your money! Philippines is same way but the head games where girl says she loves you is common after a 10 minute conversation with her. Remember most of it is a game and yes there are some that really do want boyfriend. If your a sucker for tears and gulible for lies then maybe you should stick with Thailand. If you understand the game then know that Angeles is an Adult Disney land where you are the super star and every girl dreams to be in your bed tonight for as little as P1000 to P1300. Godd luck and read read and read past reports! Still have question when you get there go to Kokomos and talk to a monger there who will give you the ins and outs.

Bold Focker

07-19-07, 02:08

Yes go out early about 7pm and BF a girl b4 you get the old beer goggles.
same BF price for stunner or pig ugly so get in quick!
Take her around the clubs and look for the girl for tomorrow night.
If i was with friends I sometimes left the girl at the bar and came back for her at about midnight.
try not to take girls from same bar, if they see you taking different girl every night you will get black ball as i did. Spread it about!

Swiss Chalet is a good hotel, central and has wi-fi. 1480 p per night
(only problem is they are building hotel next door so could be noisey)

BF = 1200p to 1500 for models
beer 60 -85P
girls tip 300-500
bye a local sim card, cant remember how much about 300p with credit

Picture of girl is from Bedrock form my trip in June! 5 days with her. It was very sad to say goodbye!

I've been to Thailand several times, but never been to the Philippines before. I plan on visiting Angeles City mid-August for about a week.

Any suggestions or words of wisdom?

Pute Nut

07-19-07, 19:23

BF = 1200p to 1500 for models
beer 60 -85P
girls tip 300-500
bye a local sim card, cant remember how much about 300p with credit

Please. Gentlemen. For the umpteenth time:

BFs are all inclusive in AC and thus include full payment for the girls´ services. The girls share corresponds to several days´ hard vertical work for a non-BG. Not bad for an uneducated country bumpkin to spread her legs and dream of her pinoy trike driver BF. In addition to this she gets the LD commission from the drinks you bought her.

Any dicretionary tip for services rendered that are above adequate is entirely up to you - the "costumer".

MisterMax808

07-19-07, 22:22

Unknown9398

07-20-07, 08:00

Picture of girl is from Bedrock form my trip in June! 5 days with her. It was very sad to say goodbye!Wow, what a doll. I hope I run up on a babe like her in AC.

FireWalker

07-20-07, 12:10

She's back to earth now. Now willing to go for 1, 300 per day. I can deal with that. These girls really push you when they can.Is that in Angeles City? Dude, as a freelancer? Fuck that.

Are you back to earth?

Swinger F

07-20-07, 12:57

If we fly air asia from KL we land in Clark base, please may I know how far is LA from the air port, or it is nearer to head for Manila.

Thank you

Blink157

07-20-07, 14:31

She's back to earth now. Now willing to go for 1, 300 per day. I can deal with that. These girls really push you when they can.hi,

Flyin to Pi in less then 2 weeks and also see my gf of the time in dollhouse again. She is now a solodancer and will go for 3k, but tht doesnt mean she wil fxxk the guy, or just with korean or japanase clientle. In and out and finish. She is sexy and pretty and was fun when I as with her. If she now ask for 3k somebody else can take her LOL. I have gurls lined up for me and I don't pay that price. Except she is a really hot stunner and I'm madly in love (which never happens to me to any bargurl in AC)

I tod her to chnage to doorgurl then I don't mind to take her out, she was a doorgurl before and changed to solodancer now (look up my post in photosection)

Just remember, those gurl will allways ask and ask and ask and nomatter what you give its not enough, cause you the FAFA with money and you have to pay LOL.

If the gurl of your desire doesnt like you, don't spend time to push it. Maybe there is a cutie in the next place who will give you the time of your life. Don't give money, buy gifts, clothes if you feel comfortable with her.

Happy hunting

Blink

Vox Jox

07-20-07, 15:51

James Bowen

07-21-07, 11:43

BK Big Fish

07-21-07, 16:49

I notice that every once in a while mongers complain that the Japanese and Koreans are jacking up expectations by giving big tips. I feel your pain, but I can't exactly agree that they're stupid.

I have to argue that it's a cultural and societal thing. Most of the Asian mongers are married, and Asians have much shorter vacations. Often just one full week a year, taken with the wife, and then a couple of three or four-day "secret" vacations with other mongers. So the time they spend in Angeles is their one big opportunity to enjoy life and feel like a million bucks.

An easy way to feel good is to give a big tip. A big tip being anything above US$20 or 1, 000 pesos. Since prostitution isn't common or even legal in most Western countries, you Westerns might not realize it, but P4P is prevalent, but incredibly expensive in Japan and Korea. Even a 15-minute quickie in Seoul, where I live, costs US$70 these days. However, the more common experience is a Karaoke-type establishment where just for the company and alcohol a group of 4 guys usually end up playing US$1, 000 (not a typo). And that's before the sex.

Sex, one time, no stay over, will cost several hundred US dollars. Tipping is not common in Asia, but if they were to tip one of these girls, even US$50 wouldn't make much of a difference to them.

And of course, everything else in Japan or Korea can be light years more expensive than in the good ole US. A decent (not impressive) date with dinner, drinks, and a movie for two, will easily run US$100-150. With US$50 or 60 tacked on for the two-hour stay at the love motel.

In other words, a US$20 tip to a hot Filipina whom you barfined for US$25-30 for the whole night is absolutely no big deal on your one or two wild trips a year.

I explain this because I feel it is a source of continual, although low-level, tension between Westerners and Asians. I'm just hoping to clear the air a bit.

Ironically, Americans who come from a country where tipping is mandatory, complain about large trips given by men from countries where tipping is not common.

Think of it this way. Since Japan and Korea don't have tipping cultures, and they have so little personal direct contact with other cultures, they have no idea how outsized their tips are, that it can cause problems for other mongers, or that there's anything wrong with it.

All of that said, it's pretty easy to avoid too many problems. Filipinas know Japanese and Korean are the big tippers. They don't really expect such large tips from foreigners on a regular basis. They're just using their previous large tips as pressure, in the hopes of another big tip. Also, the girls are generally young and ignorant, so they don't understand the huge difference in culture between Western and Eastern.

So when a Filipina asks you for a big tip, mentioning how her Japanese boyfriend gives her 2, 000 pesos each time he visits her, just say, "Well, I'm American, and I'm different. " It never feels quite good, but life is a series of compromises, and you can't really blame a girl from trying, can you?

And take pity on me, since I'm American, but also Korean. I expect to tip American, but I'm expected to tip Korean.

Blink157

07-21-07, 17:09

To the guy looking for older girls,

I, too, like the older ladies.

I recommend Dirty Duck. You enter, turn right, sit down on that side of the room, and Marissa and Raquel will take care of you. Friendly and funny ladies in their 30s. Wise and gentle. You won't be disappointed in them in the bar or in the sack.

Marissa could stand to lose 10 pounds and Raquel could gain 10 -- so nobody's perfect.

I like the relaxed vibe in that bar -- just as long as it is not too dead it is fun. Because it is quieter you can talk and meet the girls easily. Other bars are too loud for good conversation.

Hi,
good that we have guys like you in town. Dont forget also the gurls with 4 kids, the one with no teeths, also the gurls who jump on you right after you enter a bar and sit for 2 minutes. Yes, those who ask you straight to buy them a drink and also their friends. Or those who make this gesture to where the gurlds dancing on stage and then ask for drinks, thinking those made them also qualified for getting a drink.

also thank you to the guyss who overpay. Im sure evry trike driver boyfren when seeing them will salute....hmmm well some (but only the bad ones) might wait them early morning for a hold up, cause surely thos guy who spend so much on tipping had some money left in his pocket for the trike-on-drugs-angeles city foundation LOL.

Sorry.cant resist to post this one here.

Seriously, if you pay more or tip I doubt you get a better service, cause you had that allready, right?? pay 2oo to 300 or if she really suck you dry, give her a 500 note, also if you want her to come to you again. Last thing I also did once, but she dont ever come with me again, cause some other guy tipped her 3000 pesos!!!!

if you like 40 or older womeen, feel free to come to my country. Plenty of here around (LOL) Sorry, no offense guys.

I will cal my gf now in Dollhouse and lets see whats new there, if some Bloke pay steady barfine, we talkin bout 30/50 000 pesos a month ( ahahhhhahaha LOL unbelievble, specially if the guy left and she fxxk someboy else for free LOL)

11 days to go!!

happy hunting, watch your bucks its LOW season now :D

Blink

Wazza88

07-22-07, 01:55

Ok I've been running though past posts as suggested and seeing how much I should be paying for things and which bars are good and which aren't and came across a few comments about ATMs and the mall that got my radar going.

From what I've seen it's hard to come across an ATM in the area. Would it be wise to bring lots of money with you an exchange it at the airport once arrived in the country or is that not really the case?

How far away from Fields Ave and all the action is the SM Mall and is it really worth going to?

Does AC have a curfew for their bars like Bangkok now has or are the bars and clubs more or less open 24/7?

That's it for now, thanks for your help.James,

You can go to the ATMs in SM ...they are reliable. Take out what you need for a few days. The mall is about a 10 minute walk from check-point(Field Ave.)

Bring cash with you....do not change too much at the airport (rate is lower). Go to Normas and change your money. Put your money, passport and valuables in the hotel safe.

No curfew on bars , normally open 6pm-3am/7pm-4am mainly Field Ave. The Perimeter bars open earlier.

As you are going in the low/rainy season you can negotiate with the hotels regarding room rates. There are many girls, you just have a problem of deciding which one to go with.

Have a good trip.

Wazza88

07-22-07, 02:42

Bk BIG FISH.

If you read the posts carefully (#777, #782)--there is mention of one person who paid a tip of 200 Euros after being with the girl for one week. No one mentions Koreans or Japanese as being stupid.

No one is against tipping as it is up to the customer. However, giving a girl 200 Euros after one week would be (IMHO) a little excessive.

When you mention Japan/Korea and customs in those countries regarding regarding mongering and tipping and then talk of AC, you are comparing apples with oranges.

You say " Filipinas know Japanese and Koreans are the big tippers. " IMHO this is not true. I have spoken to some girls in Agaysa and Las Vegas (both Korean owned clubs attracting a majority Korean clientle) and some Koreans tip 3, 000p, some tip 1, 000p and some do not tip.

In my experience, I have never had a girl ask me for a tip.

Now you have a good one.

FireWalker

07-22-07, 03:19

Ok I've been running though past posts as suggested and seeing how much I should be paying for things and which bars are good and which aren't and came across a few comments about ATMs and the mall that got my radar going.

From what I've seen it's hard to come across an ATM in the area. Would it be wise to bring lots of money with you an exchange it at the airport once arrived in the country or is that not really the case?

How far away from Fields Ave and all the action is the SM Mall and is it really worth going to?

Does AC have a curfew for their bars like Bangkok now has or are the bars and clubs more or less open 24/7?

That's it for now, thanks for your help.

There are ATM's, just not right in the Fields bar area. There are ATM's say 6 blocks away. Also, the mall has ATM's also. The mall is say 3/10ths of a mile from Fields and it is clearly visable from Checkpoint (like a jeepnet station). I don't think anyone here cares whether a Mall is "worth going to" and I am not doing mall reviews this week.

Dollhouse is the only bar, as far as I know, that stays open 24/7.

Just go, man. You are getting a little too analytical. Everything is relatively close. 110 bars and 1000+ girls, the rest is of little importance.

PeakView

07-22-07, 08:46

If we fly air asia from KL we land in Clark base, please may I know how far is LA from the air port, or it is nearer to head for Manila.

Thank youWow. The airport is 15 minutes away! Surprsed you didn't know that. Arrange for your hotel to pick you up because there is very little random cab service. Bizarre, yes, but you can wait a long time to get a cab if you don't plan ahead.

X Man

07-22-07, 10:43

What is LA? Are you referring to LA cafe?

http://www.ermita.com/LA%20cafe/index.htm

X Man

If we fly air asia from KL we land in Clark base, please may I know how far is LA from the air port, or it is nearer to head for Manila.

Thank you

Ploughman

07-22-07, 11:01

Chinabank and Equitable PCI have ATMS on the wall OUTSIDE the SM City Clark entrance; just take the long snaking walkway and then go downstairs when it reaches the mall. These are the most useful ATMs because they carry Plus and Visa (and Banco de Oro inside the mall has Cirrus). I usually lean on ATMs as my first-choice money-extraction method in the PI because banks are so paranoid and bureaucratic with traveler's checks. Unlike in Thailand, you won't see money-exchange booths everywhere that take traveler's checks. You might see a few moneychangers but they'll want cash.

Reasonable transport leaving out of Clark airport is indeed still a problem. You might be able to get a special-ride jeepney for P100-180 if one arrived to drop someone. As in Manila at NAIA, taxis aren't reasonable (though in fairness the gouge price is similar to what the price would be in the U.S.). I was light enough on my bags to just walk all the way out of the airport to the road where the regular jeepneys pass, but it was a longer distance than I had expected.

Would also mention that Cebu Pacific flies Clark-Cebu three times a week now. There's no ticket office of theirs in town in Angeles and their website was rejecting U.S.-issued credit cards, but I got a RT ticket for US$75 after the taxes and junk fees at Action Travel on Fields Ave. Very pleasant flight: New airbus A319s and only about half full, with assigned seats.

Swagman bus still connects Ermita Swagman and Angeles hotels at P500.

Ploughman

07-22-07, 12:13

Am wrapping up nearly 3 weeks in the Philippines, having taken in Manila, Angeles and Cebu (I might write about Manila and Cebu in those sections for organization's sake). Have been a twice-yearly visitor to the PI in most years since 1994.

Newbies in Angeles don't know how nice they have it with the SM City Clark and other conveniences so close. Back in 1996 you'd have to take a jeepney all the way to downtown Angeles for Internet access or for an internationally-linked ATM (often offline), and most food was on MacArthur Highway. Nowadays you don't have to go past the end of Fields Ave.!

Also, in constant-dollar terms the cost of customer drinks and barfines hasn't risen much at all since the days of the P25/$1 peso, though the last 2 years have made what used to be bargains much less so.

Overall I find myself wanting to cut my time allocated to Angeles on future trips vs. time for other places in the PI. Reason: The bar-hopping routine in Angeles seems like too much work and too time-consuming compared to options like LA Cafe in Manila (may it survive...) or Kamagayan in Cebu. Call me spoiled, but I'll try to lay out the case:

At first glance in Angeles it appears the female:male ratio in Angeles bars is quite favorable to males. Looks can be deceiving, though. Let's assume, for this exercise, that you're goal-oriented and there because you want to find someone nice to take back to the hotel and boink (if you mainly want cheap drinks you can do better than the girl bars!).

The main problem you'll run into is way too many "non-qualifiers," i.e. girls that for reasons of hers or yours or both, aren't possible barfines. Reasons could include:

1) Girl not much to look at, and she's working mainly for salary anyway. Many bars have quite a few of these; they're way past their prime but can hang on and work for salary because the talent pool is currently stretched thin (too many bars for the number of girls, best girls head to places like Makati for more money there).

2) Girl doesn't want to go with you because she's going out with friends later (could happen especially on Fridays/Saturdays), you're not her type, or she's got enough revenue from lady drinks or overseas boyfriends sending money that she'll not barfine very often and then only with attitude. Happens with the prettiest of the lot (the old saying, "Don't barfine the best-looking girl in the bar.")

3) Maybe it really IS the wrong time of the month.

Or, most infuriatingly...

4) Cherry girls. Am sure this has been discussed a lot before, but I'd come down solidly in the camp that says they just get in the way and there's no reason to have them. As a practical matter, I think they still exist because the talent pool is stretched thin over the number of bars.

Add up these four groups and you've got a high percentage of the bar not really in play as far as your needs go. Of course, bars still want the lady-drink revenue from these groups, so their incentives aren't aligned with yours on this one. You can eliminate girls in group #1 visually yourself and, if you're diligent (not that you should have to be in this case) ask about #4 before calling a girl over to make sure you don't sit down with a cherry girl when you don't want one. But usually you'll have to interview over a drink to find the girl is eliminated because of group #2 or #3 (hard to get at those upfront).

If it doesn't work out, you're back to square one as far as fulfilling your goal. Some nights you can go through multiple duds this way to try to get a winner.

OK, let's say you do get a really good one. Congrats. If you're like most guys you'll want to hold onto her for multiple days rather than having to repeat the whole process to get a new one that may very well not be as good. Makes sense, but it's also a factor taking more of the best girls out of circulation on any given bar-hopping night.

To put all this to the test just go to a bar, even a well-stocked one, around 1:30 a.m. with intent to barfine. You'll get noticeably far fewer interested glances than earlier in the night and may well see all the "qualifiers" gone. It'll definitely be a different vibe. Also, the later you go, the more likely the girl you have your eye on will turn out to be a group #2 or #3 non-qualifier.

Buying a drink for the mamasan or having a relationship there can be helpful, as she can point out the new arrivals and maybe give you reason to pick a borderline one.

But if you're semi-selective it IS very possible to go back to the hotel in Angeles empty-handed after a string of near-misses (don't think you're the only one it has ever happened to!) And watch those drinks; if you get too deep into the night on San Miguels or San Miguel lights trying to make something happen with a girl at the bar, something might not happen in bed. I think a good portion of the street-vendor Viagra sales go to people who don't need it medically but are maybe hoping it'll put the lead in the pencil that the alcohol took out.

So I submit that it's a lot more time, money and work to monger in Angeles than it first appears, and if you hit a 10 on your first or second time, consider yourself very fortunate. Just don't try to tell me that most guys are in the bars chiefly for the drinks, the non-nude scenery or the chance to snuggle up with a cherry girl but not go any further. Nonsense.

Eventually many people will ask themselves, "Why am I doing this?" After all, most girls you'll meet in LA Cafe or a place like Kamagayan in Cebu will want to go with you or at least give quick enough feedback if not. Add the drinks and lady drinks as overhead and even the Angeles barfines don't look as cheap. There's the STD screening in Angeles but we've heard how it's a system with holes. Would also be nice if Angeles had more "showing" (think Pattaya) so that bars could be useful as "ogling dens," but politically it's unlikely to happen.

So, at the risk or being labeled a wet blanket, I'll likely be cutting time allocated to Angeles to nights before/after flights into or out of Clark.

Sumart

07-22-07, 12:25

Good report Ploughman! Just one question: you mention Kamagayan in Cebu. I am quite often in Cebu, but I don't know this place. Can you tell us a bit more about it. Most reports in Cebu session even says, that mongering in Cebu is not good ...

Thanks

Sumart

Am wrapping up nearly 3 weeks in the Philippines, having taken in Manila, Angeles and Cebu (I might write about Manila and Cebu in those sections for organization's sake). Have been a twice-yearly visitor to the PI in most years since 1994.

Newbies in Angeles don't know how nice they have it with the SM City Clark and other conveniences so close. Back in 1996 you'd have to take a jeepney all the way to downtown Angeles for Internet access or for an internationally-linked ATM (often offline), and most food was on MacArthur Highway. Nowadays you don't have to go past the end of Fields Ave.!

Also, in constant-dollar terms the cost of customer drinks and barfines hasn't risen much at all since the days of the P25/$1 peso, though the last 2 years have made what used to be bargains much less so.

Overall I find myself wanting to cut my time allocated to Angeles on future trips vs. time for other places in the PI. Reason: The bar-hopping routine in Angeles seems like too much work and too time-consuming compared to options like LA Cafe in Manila (may it survive...) or Kamagayan in Cebu. Call me spoiled, but I'll try to lay out the case:

At first glance in Angeles it appears the female:male ratio in Angeles bars is quite favorable to males. Looks can be deceiving, though. Let's assume, for this exercise, that you're goal-oriented and there because you want to find someone nice to take back to the hotel and boink (if you mainly want cheap drinks you can do better than the girl bars!).

The main problem you'll run into is way too many "non-qualifiers," i.e. girls that for reasons of hers or yours or both, aren't possible barfines. Reasons could include:

1) Girl not much to look at, and she's working mainly for salary anyway. Many bars have quite a few of these; they're way past their prime but can hang on and work for salary because the talent pool is currently stretched thin (too many bars for the number of girls, best girls head to places like Makati for more money there).

2) Girl doesn't want to go with you because she's going out with friends later (could happen especially on Fridays/Saturdays), you're not her type, or she's got enough revenue from lady drinks or overseas boyfriends sending money that she'll not barfine very often and then only with attitude. Happens with the prettiest of the lot (the old saying, "Don't barfine the best-looking girl in the bar.")

3) Maybe it really IS the wrong time of the month.

Or, most infuriatingly...

4) Cherry girls. Am sure this has been discussed a lot before, but I'd come down solidly in the camp that says they just get in the way and there's no reason to have them. As a practical matter, I think they still exist because the talent pool is stretched thin over the number of bars.

Add up these four groups and you've got a high percentage of the bar not really in play as far as your needs go. Of course, bars still want the lady-drink revenue from these groups, so their incentives aren't aligned with yours on this one. You can eliminate girls in group #1 visually yourself and, if you're diligent (not that you should have to be in this case) ask about #4 before calling a girl over to make sure you don't sit down with a cherry girl when you don't want one. But usually you'll have to interview over a drink to find the girl is eliminated because of group #2 or #3 (hard to get at those upfront).

If it doesn't work out, you're back to square one as far as fulfilling your goal. Some nights you can go through multiple duds this way to try to get a winner.

OK, let's say you do get a really good one. Congrats. If you're like most guys you'll want to hold onto her for multiple days rather than having to repeat the whole process to get a new one that may very well not be as good. Makes sense, but it's also a factor taking more of the best girls out of circulation on any given bar-hopping night.

To put all this to the test just go to a bar, even a well-stocked one, around 1:30 a.m. with intent to barfine. You'll get noticeably far fewer interested glances than earlier in the night and may well see all the "qualifiers" gone. It'll definitely be a different vibe. Also, the later you go, the more likely the girl you have your eye on will turn out to be a group #2 or #3 non-qualifier.

Buying a drink for the mamasan or having a relationship there can be helpful, as she can point out the new arrivals and maybe give you reason to pick a borderline one.

But if you're semi-selective it IS very possible to go back to the hotel in Angeles empty-handed after a string of near-misses (don't think you're the only one it has ever happened to!) And watch those drinks; if you get too deep into the night on San Miguels or San Miguel lights trying to make something happen with a girl at the bar, something might not happen in bed. I think a good portion of the street-vendor Viagra sales go to people who don't need it medically but are maybe hoping it'll put the lead in the pencil that the alcohol took out.

So I submit that it's a lot more time, money and work to monger in Angeles than it first appears, and if you hit a 10 on your first or second time, consider yourself very fortunate. Just don't try to tell me that most guys are in the bars chiefly for the drinks, the non-nude scenery or the chance to snuggle up with a cherry girl but not go any further. Nonsense.

Eventually many people will ask themselves, "Why am I doing this?" After all, most girls you'll meet in LA Cafe or a place like Kamagayan in Cebu will want to go with you or at least give quick enough feedback if not. Add the drinks and lady drinks as overhead and even the Angeles barfines don't look as cheap. There's the STD screening in Angeles but we've heard how it's a system with holes. Would also be nice if Angeles had more "showing" (think Pattaya) so that bars could be useful as "ogling dens," but politically it's unlikely to happen.

So, at the risk or being labeled a wet blanket, I'll likely be cutting time allocated to Angeles to nights before/after flights into or out of Clark.

HenryV

07-22-07, 18:20

As a frequent visitor to Cebu I would also be interested in learning about "Kamagayan."

Good report Ploughman! Just one question: you mention Kamagayan in Cebu. I am quite often in Cebu, but I don't know this place. Can you tell us a bit more about it. Most reports in Cebu session even says, that mongering in Cebu is not good ...

Thanks

Sumart

PeakView

07-22-07, 20:43

Wow. The airport is 15 minutes away! Surprsed you didn't know that. Arrange for your hotel to pick you up because there is very little random cab service. Bizarre, yes, but you can wait a long time to get a cab if you don't plan ahead.I answered the question too fast! I assumed AC instead of LA.

Essi

07-23-07, 06:54

Hi guys

One girl told me that she is pregy from me.

There is any risk if I will come and visit her? by the law can she stop me in PI?

ESSI

Amadeuss

07-23-07, 13:11

Hi guys

One girl told me that she is pregy from me.

There is any risk if I will come and visit her? by the law can she stop me in PI?

ESSI

If there's a be a law, half of the Pinoys would be in shit.

But mate, whats your motive to see her?

You like her and perhaps wanna be responsible for the baby. Then dun be afraid, just go!

You just wanna shag her big belly again and then disappear? Hmmm...thats not gentlemenstyle, more typical Pinoy style of run away. But be aware that perhaps her uncle is waiting to cut off your dick....

Any other motive?

If no motive, just stay away---and move on.

White Shark

07-23-07, 18:44

Hi guys, got finally my confirmation and I'll be in Orchid Inn from 27th July for 2 weeks.
First visit to AC so anybody woulkd like to join me for same fun will be welcome.
As I wrote in the past report I will run in the morning for keep some fitness.
Anybody interested just PM.
Good luck and see you soon in AC.

Cowboy Mike

07-24-07, 02:41

Hi guys, got finally my confirmation and I'll be in Orchid Inn from 27th July for 2 weeks.

First visit to AC so anybody woulkd like to join me for same fun will be welcome.
As I wrote in the past report I will run in the morning for keep some fitness.
Anybody interested just PM.

Good luck and see you soon in AC.You'll be better off at pacific Breeze directly behind Wild Orchid. opened December 06 and much cheaper.

Walmer 88

07-24-07, 14:30

I would like to make this report on Angeles city after returning from a seven day stay there. This was my first trip to the phillipines and being a newbie I was grateful for all the information this forum provided. I am 27 and from england I was unsure wether to come here or Thailand being of mixed race some of my friends told me thais can be quite racist towards non whites but I'm glad I had no problems here.

I stayed at the pacific breeze hotel which had a good staff, nice resturant and pool. For $40 you got a big room with a massive walk in shower, a/see fridge etc. All the girls I brought back said it was nice so I think I made the right choice. I arrived on a Sunday and thought I would hit the bars about 9pm, I decided I would only bf one girl from each bar during my stay, walking down fields ave I went first to the bunny ranch it was pretty dead inside. Then I went to insomnia which was also quite empty but they had a few better looking girls.

As the was only 3-4 other people there I got quite alot of attention from the girls, I wasn't pressurized to buy them drinks and the atmosphere was ok. I saw this girl I liked and called her over she wasn't stunning but she was ok, I asked her the usual questions and brought her a ladies drink for 150. By this time it was 11pm and I barfined her for 1200. I wanted to go in the skytrax disco but she warned me it was full of gang members and stabbing a westerner was one of there initiation requirements.

She was very experienced, despite what I read previously I bf 12 girls here and all of them asked if I had condoms before they left the bar which was very reassuring. I think the best club was camelot which had some stunning girls but you the ld was still 150 and the bf 1200. I found a nice girl in there which I stayed with for two days. Its could to have company during the day as there is not alot else to do except hang out at SM mall or go on the internet.

I only had one bad experience when a girl lied to me about being on mens and put blood all over my bed. I wasn't sure what to do but I went back to bunny ranch where she was from and complained to the mamasan who returned my money and was very apologetic which surprised me. If I go back again I will only go for ones who can understand english quite well as with some of them it was hard to communicate what I wanted in the bedroom, but all in all for my first time it was a good experience. Sorry if this post is too long.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Blink157

07-24-07, 15:01

You'll be better off at pacific Breeze directly behind Wild Orchid. opened December 06 and much cheaper.
hi,
agree to that. wild orchid, a hotel for 90US plus ++, facin blowjob bars is a joke :D,same like ABC hotel (asian bitches hotel) asian beach club.
Payin 20 us for gurls and bring them into 100 US resort is a joke. You can stay there with ur family (but why bring them to ac lol) or with your gf you know and been together for alonger time.

Im not a cheap charlie but I wont pay that much, well maybe cause I stay longer then 2 or 3 nights in AC.

Nevertheless, Pacific breeze is brand new, they also manage Central park
I work in hotel business before. I stayed in all kinds of hotels and personally I stay in places who offer me the most for my bucks.

Ok, thats my opinion, evrybody is free to stay where he likes, just sharing my thoughts to this.

Happy hunting

Blink

Gatorfan

07-24-07, 15:23

Hi all,

My first visit to AC will be next month and really looking forward to visit. Does anyone know if the Sons of Bacchus parties I've read about are active again? I read that they were stopped by LE?

Do the hotels have pool parties on a regular basis or are they one-off events?

Rubberyman

07-24-07, 17:12

Hey White Shark. I am jealous. It is nine weeks to 'wheels up' for me.

(Still, I should not complain since I just got back from Thailand).

You will enjoy yourself. Have a 'San Miguel' for me, and try out a breakfast at Mo's. Watching the world go by.

As far as the hotel is concerned, relax. While you are there, you can check out the other accommodation options close by. If you find something cheaper and just as nice, you can chalk it up to experience and zero in next time. My observation of your hotel though is that the door people give the girls a bit of a hassle if they are unaccompanied, so in the morning make sure you do the gentlemanly thing and escort your lady out. I found that treating these girls with consideration (but NOT weakness) pays big dividends.

As alternatives, check out the Swiss Chalet and Hotel Royal Amsterdam. The latter is very nice but with noisy rooms at the back at night. (An advantage if you prefer to sleep during the day and not fall asleep 'on the job' at night).

You ought to be able to get a really nice room for $60 and not bad for $45-50 USD.

In any case, you can't really go wrong where you are.

White Shark

07-24-07, 23:31

Thanks Rubberyman for your report.
I'll enjoy my holiday and on my return post a report with pix and details.
Sorry about the San Miguel but I didn't drink alcool.....

X Man

07-25-07, 06:49

Actually, he did say CLARK. Of course he hasn't clarifed, so who know what was going through his mind. If the question is just TOOOO stupid, it's best to ignore it.

I guess the correct answer is LA is only about 2 hours away from the Clark airport.

I answered the question too fast! I assumed AC instead of LA.

X Man

07-25-07, 07:02

Ploughman is spot on. This is especially obvious after a few days in AC and then visiting EDSA or Burgos. OMG, what a difference!

Nevertheless, having different options keeps things interesting. You can find some great gals in AC. There are also some pretty good restaurants in AC. Having the restaurants, bars, thousands of ladies, SM mall, and your hotel all within 15 minute walk is quite convenient.

THe cherry girls often DO have a purpose. They sometimes give BJs. Often they are also the most attractive women in the bar. I just wish they would wear a big cherry sign somewhere so that we would know ahead of time.

Ploughman, I hope you can give us a report about Kamagayan / Jonquerra. (Jonquerra is the name of a street in the Kamagayan area of Cebu). I haven't pulled a girl from there since 1990. I'd like to go, but the place gives me the creeps after dark, and I don't want to be picking girls who line up infront of a taxis headlights. (I've seen it done)

X Man

Overall I find myself wanting to cut my time allocated to Angeles on future trips vs. time for other places in the PI. Reason: The bar-hopping routine in Angeles seems like too much work and too time-consuming compared to options like LA Cafe in Manila (may it survive...) or Kamagayan in Cebu. Call me spoiled, but I'll try to lay out the case:

The main problem you'll run into is way too many "non-qualifiers," i.e. girls that for reasons of hers or yours or both, aren't possible barfines. Reasons could include:

SNIP

Or, most infuriatingly...

4) Cherry girls. Am sure this has been discussed a lot before, but I'd come down solidly in the camp that says they just get in the way and there's no reason to have them. As a practical matter, I think they still exist because the talent pool is stretched thin over the number of bars.
.

James Bowen

07-25-07, 07:36

I was looking to possibly stay at the Orchid. Would I be chosing poorly? Would the Pacific Breeze or the Central Park hotel be the wiser choice?

Rubberyman

07-25-07, 14:45

James be,

You need to be a bit more specific about your requirements. Orchid is ok, but relatively expensive. However, that is your call, it seems like a nice hotel (my sources are some of the girls I barfined who liked the rooms and decor, but not the attitudes of the guys at the door).

Suggest you google the hotels in AC and pick something central that you like. Start off with something in Fields Ave area (which is where the W. O. Is off a side street) and once you are there, you can check out other options for later trips.

If you are going in off season, book only for a few days in the WO and then shift to wherever else you like (or stay if you are happy there). Things are close together, so if you shift it is no big deal. If you are a sociable sort, there are always fellow mongers there who will give you advice in places like Mo's or Margarita Station.

Blink157

07-25-07, 15:20

I was looking to possibly stay at the Orchid. Would I be chosing poorly? Would the Pacific Breeze or the Central Park hotel be the wiser choice?

Hi,
try to get a room in central park first, they allways fully booked. If you there, walk to orchid, its just beside central park. Pacific breeze is a 5 minutes walk away if you walk like a pinoy (for me its one minute :D)

Hope that helps!!

Blink

Qiao Han

07-25-07, 16:46

The Orchid is a good choice with a swim up bar and $33 a night and right in the middle of things, but you have to book months ahead to get a room. Sometimes I stay at Hana, a short 50p trike ride out near Phoenix, Club Rio, Thi Hi etc. but get a quieter inside room facing the pool. About $26 a night.

QH

Billy Baht

07-26-07, 13:44

hello fellow mongers from angeles city!

it is hot as he@@ outside today so i am killing a few hours before venturing out again and decided to bore you with my observations of angeles city (ac) versus pattaya.

i am from the usa, 54 and retired early. i've lived in thailand since january 2003 and my first trip to the philippines was in august 2006; i spent two months in ac and another month visiting mindanao, cebu, bohol and manila.

as of today one usd = 45.5 pesos and 33.7 thai baht. i use 0.7 as a factor to compare philippine pesos to thai baht. (100 pesos = 70 baht) it is not exact but works as rough guide.

in thailand i now live in pattaya, but i spent the previous four years in bangkok. the following ramblings are subjective and just my personal opinions.

general:

infastructure is far better in thailand: pattaya roads are congested but mostly paved and in decent condition. baht buses are every where and getting around is relatively easy. accomodation in pattaya is plentiful and available to meet most budgets. atms are everywhere and thai bank offices are available to change currency.

ac is dirtier (i know, pattaya isn't spottless!), many side streets are unpaved and in poor condition. there is a new, and modern mall (sm clark) within walking distance from the fields-perimiter road area. both cities are hot, but i think i sweat even more in ac. depending on your airline (air asia, cebu pacific, korean airlines, tiger) you can fly directly into the old clark airbase, about 10-15 minutes ride from ac.

the gross domestic product of thailand is twice that of the philippines. but there are 20 million more people in the pi. the girls of ac are definately poorer than their vice sisters in pattaya.

night life:

pattaya is much larger and has more bars and he girls. pattaya is also adding more go-go bars, but the main stay is the open air "ba beer." in the open air bars beer sells for 50+ baht, in the go-gos roughly double that, but many go-gos have happy hour specials for thb 50, sometimes less. ladies drinks (ld) are usually around thb 100. of course the go-gos charge more but they also can have some pretty sexy shows. bar fines vary but a rule of thumb is baht 300 for small beer bars to 600+ for go-gos. the bf just gets the girl out of the bar, in small open air bars expect to pay 500+ for short time (st) and 1000 for long time. go-go girls expect more, about 1000+ st and 1,500+ long time. i've heard some of the younger thai stunners are asking-and getting- over 3,000 lt. out of billy baht's budget but the two week millionaires are seemingly happy to pay. as they say, up to you!

ac is comprised almost entirely of small to large airconditioned go-go bars. the larger bars on fields avenue charge 85 pesos for a beer, 150 pesos for a ladies drink. the perimeter road bars charge 50 pesos for a beer and 100 for a ld. bar fines are 1,200+ on fields, mostly 1,000 (some are charging 1,100) on the perimiter. the bar fine is all inclusive, the girl gets half the bar fine and about 45% commission on lds. it is expected that the girl will stay all night, but just like thailand, things are changing. it is better to clarify that she will stay all night if you really want lt. runners will "become ill" have to check on their "auntie" (their trike driver boyfriend) or get a text saying that they are needed for some other emergency. a few bars have a st room available but still may charge the regular p 1,000 bf.

in pattaya i've hada great time with many freelancers. some are trouble but many have simply realized their true worth and don't want to put up with the hassels of bar rules and some of the a@@ hole customers that abuse them. ac is different entirely and i would advise you to be very cautious with freelancers. definately beware of young/**** girls-the cops will be entirely ungorgiving. even the older ladies may claim [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or some other abuse. you've been warned. (manila freelancers can be ok but keep your radar on at all times.)

thai girls are definately beautiful, but beauty is a subjective thing. in general the thais are a bit taller and have tan skin. tan skinned filipinas can be found but i was suprised at the number of relatively fair skinned ac girls. the maidens of ac have far fewer tatoos and rarely die/tint their lovely hair a lighter shade. filipinas are way ahead in english language skills and they even get western humor. they also have a better understanding of the outside world because half the country is working overseas. they all have relatives living abroad, especially the usa. thais are much more insular and really have little interest or awareness of the outside world. there are of course exceptions but in general, a filipina wants to leave the philippines; a thai girl wants to remain in thailand.

i personally find the filipinas of ac to be a bit more loving and attentive, but don't fool yourself-it's still all about the money.

misc:

thailand is a bit more accomodative giving most westerners 30 days free visa waiver on arrival; the philippines gives 21 days. if you want to stay more than 30 days in thailand, it is advisable to bet a 60 day tourist or 90+ day type o in your home country before arrival. the philippines treats you better if you wish to stay longer, you just go down to immigration and extend for another 59 days (first ex. is 38 days; 38 + 21 = 59.) after six extensions, you must leave the country, then you return and re start the clock. easy peasy :)

again it is subjective, but the filipinos are a bit more polite. they will usually appologize if they bump into you on the street, request your presence in the bar with "come inside sir!" and thank you as you leave the bar. the philippines is still an asian country however and they will happily run over you if you dare to step infront of on comming traffic. depending where you are, it is definately more dangerous in the pi, although most of the crimes are petty, like pick pockets or filipino guys that invite you to a "friendly" card game.

the philippines is just like thailand, in that loosing your cool will only make matters worse. the street vendors in both places are a pest, but remember that there are no social safety nets here, so either ignore them or decline politely. there is no precentage in taking on the locals.

the expat crowd in pattaya have a few more rough edges- shaved headed, heavily tatooed, shirtless guys of all ages and nationalities that seem to enjoy confrontation as much as the girls. the ac crowd is a bit older and more peace loving, but a few nights ago i did notice a guy comming out of the doll house with his shirt almost ripped off and blood running from a gash on the side of his head. in ac most of the guys are from australia, uk, usa and germany, but the koreans are arriving in ever greater numbers.

in my 20+ trips to pattaya i have had exactly one bar owner buy me a drink. in my 2 ac trips i have received at least 6 beers from friendly bar owner/managers (all australians by the way.)

as a parting word to the wise "if it flies, floats or fucks it's cheaper to rent." i would also not but a house or condo in either place, but that's just me. i prefer maximum mobility and rent is cheap :)

all the best,

billy baht

Wazza88

07-26-07, 14:45

Billy Baht,

Good post.

I appreciate your comments.

Thank you

Pute Nut

07-26-07, 17:29

ac is different entirely and i would advise you to be very cautious with freelancers. definately beware of young/**** girls-the cops will be entirely ungorgiving. even the older ladies may claim [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or some other abuse. you've been warned. (manila freelancers can be ok but keep your radar on at all times.)

this cannot be emphasized enough. steer cleer of freelancers in ac and stick with the registered bgs. in addition to what bb stated above i have reason to believe that there are hiv positives, esp. among the older fls.

there is no reason whatsoever to be polite to the beggars. begging is illegal in pi - they are simple criminals out to prey on softhearted westerners. the "streetkids" are often put there by ruthless parent(s). please don't encourage this by giving them money.

Blunderer

07-26-07, 21:48

Excellent post, well written, informative, I've been looking for something like that for a while - straight to the reports of distinction!

Angeles City vs Pattaya
Billy Baht

Aussiec

07-27-07, 06:33

For all you Newbies out there and who are thinking a trip to PI or Pattaya Billy Baht really gave you good information! 2 weeks to go and I will be in Adult Disneyland of Angeles once again.

Sagramore

07-27-07, 06:57

Great post Billy! It makes me want to give Thailand a try as I've never been there..

Cheers!

Key Master

07-27-07, 11:43

I pretty much agree with everything BB said. It's pretty amazing that I didn't find anything I didn't agree with him on the comparisons and stuff in that people's views usually vary quite a bit and he brought up a lot of different points. It almost felt like I wrote it. Very nicely done.

FireWalker

07-27-07, 17:09

Plan on going to Stampede tomorrow (Sat. 28th 6-8pm).
500 pesos food, drinks and dance contest with girls from different bars competing.
You can buy tickets at Stampede. I'd arrive early as it is first come first serve seating.
Usually a good time at Stampede when I have gone. Girls get very competitive.

Unknown9398

07-27-07, 19:21

Thanks Billy. Your post is highly informative. I think that much of what you've written is the common sense that n00bs tend to forget. Especially the part about renting. Good luck to you. I hope to meet you in person some time.

Soju Lizard

07-29-07, 08:06

They still run the service but its not always the air conditioned bus. A few months ago I went into the Swaggy and bought a ticket for the 3 PM bus up to Ermita. At 3, an old crappy 10 seater van pulls up and the driver tells us to climb aboard. I asked the driver where is the nice bus with the A/C, big seats and TV monitors that show movies. He says the owners are trying to save gas money and don't use it unless they have to. Only if there are more than 12 passengers.

Yes....only if there are more than 12 folks on a 10 seater van!!!! We only had 11 passengers that day so I spent the next two hours sitting between two huge overweight sweaty guys on a van with a broken air conditioner. Did I mention that it is still 500 piso?

The Swaggy management are a bunch of wankers for pulling this crap IMHO. A couple of months later I had the same situation only this time I didn't purchase a ticket beforehand as I wanted to see if the same van showed up....it did. When I saw it I took a P50 trike over to the Dau bus terminal and paid P130 for a ticket to Manila on an air conditioned bus.

To make a long story short...check and see what shows up in front of the Swagman before you buy your "bus" ticket.

Swagman bus still connects Ermita Swagman and Angeles hotels at P500.

Billy Baht

07-29-07, 15:56

The Swaggy management are a bunch of wankers for pulling this crap IMHO. A couple of months later I had the same situation only this time I didn't purchase a ticket beforehand as I wanted to see if the same van showed up....it did. When I saw it I took a P50 trike over to the Dau bus terminal and paid P130 for a ticket to Manila on an air conditioned bus.

To make a long story short...check and see what shows up in front of the Swagman before you buy your "bus" ticket.

Thanks for the tip SJ. Unfortunately I just bought a Swaggman "Fly the Bus" ticket before I read your post. If they load me onto the mini van, it'll be my last Swaggy trip, LOL!

I came to Angeles on the Rabit bus from their Santa Cruz terminal; SC terminal is only a five minute walk to the Light Rail train, a viable option if you are traveling light or making a day trip to manila.

BB

That Asshole

07-29-07, 20:53

hello fellow mongers from angeles city!

in thailand i now live in pattaya, but i spent the previous four years in bangkok. the following ramblings are subjective and just my personal opinions.

billy baht

-----------------------------------------------------

thanks bb. excellent comparison. especially useful for those who have tried one but not the other yet. hardly anything more needs to be said, except maybe a few more details if you accept:

1./ accomodation:
in pattaya you will always get a room without reservation (maybe after some walking around) even at christmas and new year. in ac it is better to book ahead during peak periods, like dec-jan. fortunately many hotels have websites and will hold a room on an email or a phonecall, without a deposit. recently a number of new hotels opened in ac, but to get a "comfortable" room is much more difficult than in pattaya. also, for the same price you get much better value in pattaya, esp. if you don't mind staying a bit off the main roads.

2./ food:
definitely more varied and cheap in pattaya. however, if you just step outside of the tourist ghetto of balibago, in either direction of angeles or dau there are plenty of shops selling varied and delicious food (even pizza) at local prices of 50-60 pesos for a set meal. that's just 40 baht, same as thailand. you can walk to dau and take a jeepney to angeles for 7 pesos (or walk? - get fit!). filipino fare is not as spicy but quite delicious. some even prefer it after all the thai fire-fare (i do).

3./ the local people:
this is a varied lot. while most people in either countries tend to be honest, i believe that a lot more tourists get badly "burnt" in the pi as in thailand. balibago is pretty safe in the main area and during the day especially. this may not apply at night (as you said). the thais tend to have a sense of pride based on their "toughness" that keeps them doing bad things to foreigners, unless they are badly provoked. i don't notice this at the philippinos.

they are more casual and open to foreigners but this can be deceiving and you just have to be alert so much more (see: freelancers as you mentioned before). their national pride will certainly won't bar them from ripping you off at any opportunity. i don't like thais because they are so closed to the outside world, but it also has some advantages as i said. it would be "un-thai" for them to harm you - unless they can really justify it (like if you violate some taboos).

thailand looks dangerous yet it is safer, the pi looks safe and friendly yet it is far more dangerous (does that make sense?). i have been ripped off much more often in the pi (in much fewer visits) than in thailand, yet thailand is so much more of a scary place if you realize just how tough the locals are and how much they look down on you (even when you speak thai). plus here goes the language issue:

4./ language:
rotten hard to learn, but once you speak reasonably fluently you get quite a bit of credit for it from locals in thailand (like moto taxis, restaurants, etc). since most everyone speaks english in pi, few foreigners even try to learn pilipino, so you will always stay an outsider.

they speak english but not so well, really just on basic level, definitely not like most of us. to them it is still a "foreign language". it might be well worth the effort to study some pilipino, to further enhance our experience.

to further confuse you, please note that if you speak thai well in front of bargirls in pattaya it is usually a very bad point (because they cannot cheat you so easily). they seem prefer uninitiated, "innocent" men. i have no experience of speaking tagalog on any reasonable level (apart from "mabuhay and maganda-ng")so please let us know what you think.

5./ the gogo bars:
in ac the music is much softer, making a conversation possible. also, there is much less explicit sex displayed in ac than in pattaya. no naked dancing, unless in a dark corner especially for you if you pay for it. so, entertainment-wise pattaya leads because you can sit all night just ogle the sex-shows. in comparison ac bars are boring if you don't like much conversation (very boring indeed as there is not much else to do or watch). there are some shows now but they are not near as great as in pattaya.

6./ the girls:
in ac they have "real girls names", like "emily, janice, kellie" etc like we are used to, and not like "pon, fon, kung, [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and poo, etc" as in thailand which sound strange and have no much meaning to us. also, because they speak english better, kiss much more readily and are usually more affectionate and western minded, your experience will be so much more enhanced if you are into gfe or the like. no wonder that so many guys marry them (for better or worse). but for st it is really nice. also, you will have to change your approach somewhat when you come to the pi.

it is more small talk and kindness (even if for the st) and less of a cold commercial transaction as in thailand (i know it is commercial, but it doesn't feel that way). if you come "hard and tough", you will unlikely get the best girls in ac, even if you have the money. i know especially because i am such an asshole that likes just to "point-and-fuck" like in a bangkok massage parlour. usually it works out quite well with thai hos (they even like it), but in the pi unfortunately i had to tone down that approach (one reason why i visit the pi less often).

7./ regular tourists:
this is the main point where ac really excells, as there are no "regular tourists". apart from a few lost backpackers en-route to baguio, basically everybody is here for one thing: the puss-puss. this gives a wonderful sense of comradiere among the guys, friendsips are formed more easily, everyone is more relaxed. and yes, hardly any fights. this is our "own little refuge" from the outside world. the pattaya traffic is really crazy nowadays and the huge tour-buses dominate the roads. they are a danger to everyone, pedestrians to motorcyclers alike. in comparison, ac is relaxed joy. just sitting at one of the open-air bars and watching the world go by at snail's pace in ac is like holidaying on a desert-island, after a stretch of a few weeks in pattaya.

Hesekiels

07-30-07, 10:33

It is expected that the girl will stay all night, but just like Thailand, things are changing. It is better to clarify that she will stay all night if you really want LT. Runners will "become ill" have to check on their "Auntie" (their trike driver boyfriend) or get a text saying that they are needed for some other emergency.

BB:

So true! And, folks, beware: even a clarification beforehand does not necessarily mean anything! Last week my barfine from Dollhouse run away at 2:30 am although our crystal clear (and three times repeated!) agreement was 7:30 am!

Of course I immediately went back to Dollhouse and struggled with the mamasan because of that non-compliance! However, I fear that this kind of Filipino cheat happens nowadays more or less regularly!?

Cheers - Hesekiels

Billy Baht

07-30-07, 12:54

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Thanks BB. Excellent comparison. Especially useful for those who have tried one but not the other yet. Hardly anything more needs to be said, except maybe a few more details if you accept:We are in agreement :)

BB

Blink157

07-30-07, 16:22

BB:

So true! And, folks, beware: even a clarification beforehand does not necessarily mean anything! Last week my barfine from Dollhouse run away at 2:30 am although our crystal clear (and three times repeated!) agreement was 7:30 am!

Of course I immediately went back to Dollhouse and struggled with the mamasan because of that non-compliance! However, I fear that this kind of Filipino cheat happens nowadays more or less regularly!?

Cheers - Hesekiels

Hi,
I think the DH is a ripf off place, even my gf works there also. Or lets say my gf of the time last time and maybe my gf this time ( I fly this week to PI)

Before she works as doorgurl, barfine was 1300p, now she works as solodancer, bf is 3000p. I told her I wont pay that. I dont care to give her some extra, because IM enjoying with her, but I dont pay the bar. At least thats what my plan is. if she dont chnage back to doorgurl as I told her, she can wait 4somebody else, not me Belive me, there is nothing more for me or anybody else in it or extra to pay this amount.

DH , agassya and las vegas care for korean/asian customers , cause they pay more, or they more quick finish, have smaller dicks or what ever the reason is, gurls prefer also to go with them. En contraire they say they dont like it very much. nevertheless, I will go there and check things out, sometimes ur lucky and sometimes things are changin.

This is what really sucks in AC, just expereince that again with my so called gf. If you like the gurl, its alllmost impossible to make deal to pay her 600p a day, skip barfine and see her evry day or after work. The bars are pretty much dictating the scenary over there and that sucks. So dont get to close with the gurls, cause you know if you dont take her and pay bar, she will go with somebody else.

Well, good that Im a butterfly and have plastic heart. I divide my gf in cathegories and have plenty of them, some serious, some less :D

But for newbies it can be hard.

happy hunting

more on that once Im there

Blink

X Man

07-30-07, 16:40

be careful what you hope for!

the swaggy bus i rode had rotten ac. people opened the windows. the "attendant" never once asked anyone if they wanted drinks or anything. she sat her ass down and checked her text messages. during the rest stop i noticed the bus tires had lost huge chunks of rubber. i guess that accounts for the relatively low speed -- many buses passed us on the way. but the high point was the big intersection in mla near the govt buildings / luneta park. the bus stalled out in the middle of this intersection and wasn't restarted untill well after we had the red light.

x man

they still run the service but its not always the air conditioned bus. a few months ago i went into the swaggy and bought a ticket for the 3 pm bus up to ermita. at 3, an old crappy 10 seater van pulls up and the driver tells us to climb aboard. i asked the driver where is the nice bus with the a/c, big seats and tv monitors that show movies. he says the owners are trying to save gas money and don't use it unless they have to. only if there are more than 12 passengers.

yes....only if there are more than 12 folks on a 10 seater van!!!! we only had 11 passengers that day so i spent the next two hours sitting between two huge overweight sweaty guys on a van with a broken air conditioner. did i mention that it is still 500 piso?

the swaggy management are a bunch of wankers for pulling this crap imho. a couple of months later i had the same situation only this time i didn't purchase a ticket beforehand as i wanted to see if the same van showed up....it did. when i saw it i took a p50 trike over to the dau bus terminal and paid p130 for a ticket to manila on an air conditioned bus.

to make a long story short...check and see what shows up in front of the swagman before you buy your "bus" ticket.

Blink157

07-30-07, 17:27

Buko Max

07-30-07, 23:55

Hi lads,

Just a question, is it allowed to set a direct link to the my report? I have written some reports with a lot of pics, which could be interesting. What I say, pics, infos and stuff round about the gilrs.

To post only the report (without fotos) is. Stupid, and to link 100 or 150 pics by hand is. To hard;
Hello,

Welcome to ISG and thanks for your photo contributions but it appears that Jackson has already deleted your photos because you displayed your website address in most of your photos. No you cannot link to your website for obvious reasons, refer to the rules. It would be nice to get more contributions from you, both photos and info but it might not be worth the effort on your part.

Buko Max

07-31-07, 00:14

Of course I immediately went back to Dollhouse and struggled with the mamasan because of that non-compliance! However, I fear that this kind of Filipino cheat happens nowadays more or less regularly!?
Hello Hesekiels,

I've never had a really good barfine at DH. It seems that they try to get away with as much as they can. The only reason I go there is because they are open in the day and the a/c is good. But in general, I think the length of time a BG stays with you boils down to if they like you or not.

Good that I'm a butterfly and have a plastic heart
Good overall advice in your report Blink. Last time I was in town, my BG wanted me to barfine her again the following day. So I told her I would think about it. Then she sweetens the deal by offering to give me a rebate of 600 (the bars cut). If you like the girl, mongers should try to make a deal because some of them dread showing up for work day after day.

X Man

07-31-07, 00:26

Dollhouse offers a little extra for a big extra price. This is what we call expensive.

"rip-off" is to defraud or steal. I don't think we can say that about DH.

Sorry to split hairs. Native english speakers sometimes use "rip off" when referring to something that is too expensive. Nevertheless, I've never felt defrauded at DollHouse. In fact I went their several times.

X Man

Hi,
I think the DH is a ripf off place, even my gf works there also. Or lets say my gf of the time last time and maybe my gf this time ( I fly this week to PI)

Before she works as doorgurl, barfine was 1300p, now she works as solodancer, bf is 3000p. I told her I wont pay that. I dont care to give her some extra, because IM enjoying with her, but I dont pay the bar. At least thats what my plan is. if she dont chnage back to doorgurl as I told her, she can wait 4somebody else, not me Belive me, there is nothing more for me or anybody else in it or extra to pay this amount.

DH , agassya and las vegas care for korean/asian customers , cause they pay more, or they more quick finish, have smaller dicks or what ever the reason is, gurls prefer also to go with them. En contraire they say they dont like it very much. nevertheless, I will go there and check things out, sometimes ur lucky and sometimes things are changin.

This is what really sucks in AC, just expereince that again with my so called gf. If you like the gurl, its alllmost impossible to make deal to pay her 600p a day, skip barfine and see her evry day or after work. The bars are pretty much dictating the scenary over there and that sucks. So dont get to close with the gurls, cause you know if you dont take her and pay bar, she will go with somebody else.

Well, good that Im a butterfly and have plastic heart. I divide my gf in cathegories and have plenty of them, some serious, some less :D

But for newbies it can be hard.

happy hunting

more on that once Im there

Blink

X Man

07-31-07, 00:55

How many bar fines has Mattrick had at DH?

Success depends on how much they like you ........and how much they like you may depend on a lot of things, including who was stuffing the hole before you, and how generous he was.

I had an incredible ride from Miss. J when I was in Manila. She needed money for her birthday. After she nearly fked me to death, she caught a bus to AC to go back to work on Fields. She needed MORE money for her birthday. I got an email telling me when she would be back in MLA (for her birthday), but I was unavailable. I don't think I was invited to the Bday party.

Another girl I met had been fking Fil guys at a KTV. I was her first bar fine (at that bar) and she treated me pretty good. "Sorry baby, but it's 3pm and I'd like housekeeping to change the sheets."

I haven't worked out a formula for success. The innocent looking ones sometimes are a lousy lays, sore puss, or OMG great sex. I used to avoid tatooed ladies, but have come to realize that women into self mutlilation - such as self inflicted holes/ tatoos - tend to like it a bit rough or naughty.

Bar hopping with a bar fine is probaly OK for one bar, but if she's ordering real alcohol, better stick to one bar. Drunk wenches can get unmanageable real quick. Of course half-drunk women ....well, you know...

I still have bad experiences, but I try to talk to them, look them in the eye, and if there are no bad vibes I treat them like a girlfriends....well, almost like girlfriends.

Hello Hesekiels,

I've never had a really good barfine at DH. It seems that they try to get away with as much as they can. The only reason I go there is because they are open in the day and the a/c is good. But in general, I think the length of time a BG stays with you boils down to if they like you or not.

Any Hole

07-31-07, 04:37

Hi,

I think the DH is a ripf off place, even my gf works there also. Or lets say my gf of the time last time and maybe my gf this time ( I fly this week to PI)

Before she works as doorgurl, barfine was 1300p, now she works as solodancer, bf is 3000p. I told her I wont pay that. I dont care to give her some extra, because IM enjoying with her, but I dont pay the bar. At least thats what my plan is. if she dont chnage back to doorgurl as I told her, she can wait 4somebody else, not me Belive me, there is nothing more for me or anybody else in it or extra to pay this amount.

DH , agassya and las vegas care for korean/asian customers , cause they pay more, or they more quick finish, have smaller dicks or what ever the reason is, gurls prefer also to go with them. En contraire they say they dont like it very much. nevertheless, I will go there and check things out, sometimes ur lucky and sometimes things are changin.

This is what really sucks in AC, just expereince that again with my so called gf. If you like the gurl, its alllmost impossible to make deal to pay her 600p a day, skip barfine and see her evry day or after work. The bars are pretty much dictating the scenary over there and that sucks. So dont get to close with the gurls, cause you know if you dont take her and pay bar, she will go with somebody else.

Well, good that Im a butterfly and have plastic heart. I divide my gf in cathegories and have plenty of them, some serious, some less :D

But for newbies it can be hard.

Happy hunting

More on that once Im there

BlinkI am suprised to hear your comments about dolls house, because 3 of my now "regular girlfreinds" i met at Dolls House, and now i enjoy a gf relationship when visiting phills instead of bar fining.

These girls i met just wanted me for their boyfreind and they just left the bar, not wanting me to pay a long term barfine, and didn't want money off me, just wanted me to love them, yeah i know it sounds corny! But I think if they really like you romantically then they behave completley differently to you.

See i am in my early fifties and i think alot of these girls are really attracted to the older guys, they think ( rather foolishly) that older guys like me won't fuck around, or want boom boom 7 times in a night like young guys do, this is the beauty of phills you could be 70 and have a 18 year old girl freind!!

Now if there is one bar that pisses me off and that is Blue Nile, now that is a club that only the pretty ones will go with the japs or the koreans.

Aussiec

07-31-07, 13:26

I had it out there with one of the waitresses. I think me took me for a sucker and padded my bill by P500. Fortunately I caught it and one of my friends that has worked there a long time took care of it. Of course its just not DH that does this its everywhere if your not paying attention. It happen another time at Lolipop. I have had to stunners at DH and they stated that they only usually are with Japenese or Koreans. They both stated I was cute and of course had my time with them bar hopping and some fun. I have been told that I am at good age at 40 where I am still young but not so young where some 20 year olds just do not get it. I am reasonably good looking which also gets me extra encentive when I go in bars. Looks don't mean a thing in ac. Money talks.

Blink157

07-31-07, 14:00

I am suprised to hear your comments about dolls house, because 3 of my now "regular girlfreinds" i met at Dolls House, and now i enjoy a gf relationship when visiting phills instead of bar fining.

These girls i met just wanted me for their boyfreind and they just left the bar, not wanting me to pay a long term barfine, and didn't want money off me, just wanted me to love them, yeah i know it sounds corny! But I think if they really like you romantically then they behave completley differently to you.

See i am in my early fifties and i think alot of these girls are really attracted to the older guys, they think ( rather foolishly) that older guys like me won't fuck around, or want boom boom 7 times in a night like young guys do, this is the beauty of phills you could be 70 and have a 18 year old girl freind!!

Now if there is one bar that pisses me off and that is Blue Nile, now that is a club that only the pretty ones will go with the japs or the koreans.

hi,
yes your ryt with blue nile in general, gurls there have an attitude. if they pretty, they either go with asian customrs, or young studs :D or they say they cherry gurls :D. but.....on my previus trip I barfind the wetress in neros and she wont leave my room until I kicked her out :D.
Speaking about DH, I have also gf there, last time I bafiend her evryday for 1300 pesos its ok, since I left PI she keep on miscaling me txt in me evryday. Now she is a solodancer (look up her foto in fotosection) Her pay is now 3k. I told her I dont pay that for her and we see like things are when Im back there this week. If she folows the bar or she folow me. thats what I really meant with it sgetin diff to get the gurls stay away from the bar without paying the barfines. cause they strict (the bars) and dictatng the rules.

Now, in my case Im double fux..d, cause she is from Dh and also lives in Pampanga (avoid Pampangan gurls LOL,nevertheless all my ex gf from Pampanga hhahahaha)
Anyway, Im there soon and see how things will be. Yes they like older guys, caue maybe they assume they not get f..xxd he whole day, but they wrong :D

I post my experience when Im in AC and meet up with her. I might be tere sunday, Im first in Manila

happy hunting

Blink :D

Buko Max

07-31-07, 22:08

How many bar fines has Mattrick had at DH?
Only six that I can recall and they were all in the morning or early afternoon, maybe that was part of the problem. The day shift girls are probably not as good as the night shift.

Ploughman

08-02-07, 01:15

Billy Baht

08-02-07, 14:37

I took the 3 pm Swaggman "Bus" from AC to Manila on July 30. It was the van and not the regular bus with movies, drinks, etc.

Save your money, go to the Dau bus terminal and ride a regular full sized air con bus to Manila for about 120 pesos.

Billy Baht

HenryV

08-02-07, 23:45

I am somewhat familar with this area.

I would only add two things. First, I would not go there at night, you are really in a "frisky" area of the City.

Second, I have a pinoy relative in Cebu who told me many of the girls in that area - from time to time - work the docks in Cebu, i.e., they are smuggled on board the ships to service whoever is standing in line. Security, health, physical, and otherwise should be your no. 1 concern.

Greetings from Udon Thani Thailand. Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond to posts. Kamagayan is a barangay near downtown in Cebu that has long been a center of P4P on the fly. Here's a link to an excellent map of the barangay from the Cebu City government website: http://www.cebucity.gov.ph/Images/Maps/kamagayan.jpg

The area of greatest interest is the square bordered by Junquera, Sangcianko, Del Rosario and Jakosalem streets. I accessed from Del Rosario (if you see an indent on the map on Del Rosario, that's the alley leading in). If you're a single male on foot you'll be approached by touts (also on the other streets), while if you're on a taxi they'll run after it.

The block is a maze of dark walkways and ramshackle buildings; there's a way in and out just wide enough for a taxi as well. It gets an F for presentation, because a tout will want to lead you down dark and unsafe-looking alleys and understandably many people would balk at that.

He'll lead you to a central courtyard in the middle of the block where there's a basketball court and some boarding houses (the University of San Carlos is nearby). Several groups of girls from different boarding houses will come out (or will already be sitting around). Other locals also will be milling around. Girls look 18-21-ish with not a high level of experience, usually, and mostly average looks.

Even though locals have seen everything, it feels a bit awkward, like you're a center of attention, walking around the area looking at the girls. You have to negotiate with the tout and (another odd thing) pay him or a mamasan the whole amount, which includes the girl's cut. You also have to specify short time or long time. Have bargained ST down to P600 and P700, though I think locals can do even better. Also depends on the girl. Then you take the girl to the hotel.

(Not sure how going by taxi adds to the pricing, as I'm sure the taxi driver gets a cut. Girls will surround the car, and you have to get out to get a good look).

It's also important to ask about any special requests, as the girls aren't usually very experienced. Condom education is very good, and most carry them (could be that an NGO has done work)

So I give it an A- for pricing, about a B- for selection (usually about 30-40 available, it seemed) and a F for presentation. Cebu City could use a branch of L.A. Cafe, but politically I think it's doubtful.

As for the go-gos, some are semi-reasonable with their B1,800-2,000 all-in barfines, but don't forget that girls who work at go-gos that don't have reasonable barfines have bills to pay, too. Was able to set up an afternoon session with one from such a place by slipping her my cell #. She texted me the next day.

Fred C Dobbs

08-03-07, 15:50

I'll be making my first trip there in January. Could you provide your views of the place in the Thailand forum when you find the time? You probably already know but in case you don't there is a website called udonmap that has lots of non punter info.

Greetings from Udon Thani Thailand. Sorry it has taken so long for me to respond to posts. Kamagayan is a barangay near downtown in Cebu that has long been a center of P4P on the fly. Here's a link to an excellent map of the barangay from the Cebu City government website: http://www.cebucity.gov.ph/Images/Maps/kamagayan.jpg

The area of greatest interest is the square bordered by Junquera, Sangcianko, Del Rosario and Jakosalem streets. I accessed from Del Rosario (if you see an indent on the map on Del Rosario, that's the alley leading in). If you're a single male on foot you'll be approached by touts (also on the other streets), while if you're on a taxi they'll run after it.

The block is a maze of dark walkways and ramshackle buildings; there's a way in and out just wide enough for a taxi as well. It gets an F for presentation, because a tout will want to lead you down dark and unsafe-looking alleys and understandably many people would balk at that.

He'll lead you to a central courtyard in the middle of the block where there's a basketball court and some boarding houses (the University of San Carlos is nearby). Several groups of girls from different boarding houses will come out (or will already be sitting around). Other locals also will be milling around. Girls look 18-21-ish with not a high level of experience, usually, and mostly average looks.

Even though locals have seen everything, it feels a bit awkward, like you're a center of attention, walking around the area looking at the girls. You have to negotiate with the tout and (another odd thing) pay him or a mamasan the whole amount, which includes the girl's cut. You also have to specify short time or long time. Have bargained ST down to P600 and P700, though I think locals can do even better. Also depends on the girl. Then you take the girl to the hotel.

(Not sure how going by taxi adds to the pricing, as I'm sure the taxi driver gets a cut. Girls will surround the car, and you have to get out to get a good look).

It's also important to ask about any special requests, as the girls aren't usually very experienced. Condom education is very good, and most carry them (could be that an NGO has done work)

So I give it an A- for pricing, about a B- for selection (usually about 30-40 available, it seemed) and a F for presentation. Cebu City could use a branch of L.A. Cafe, but politically I think it's doubtful.

As for the go-gos, some are semi-reasonable with their B1,800-2,000 all-in barfines, but don't forget that girls who work at go-gos that don't have reasonable barfines have bills to pay, too. Was able to set up an afternoon session with one from such a place by slipping her my cell #. She texted me the next day.

Girlfinder

08-03-07, 16:46

I took the 3 pm Swaggman "Bus" ..Save your money, go to the Dau bus terminal and ride a regular full sized air con bus to Manila for about 120 pesos.
Billy Baht
Agree, I took that bus from Angeles to Subic. Really shit of an old bus. A/C not working. Bad seats. 3 of 12 people got sick and puked.

I believe much better go with van from Mo (Kokomos), leave around 1130 from Subic and around 1400 from Angeles. Sane price 400 peso.

Girlfinder

08-03-07, 17:07

Visited ABC just for s boxing event some days ago. Really nice place, big pool area in the middle. But far, far too expensive I think to stay there. 125 usd ++.

Tried Mo's (kokomos), but that stinks. The first room they offered me, I could not close the door, just a minor repair necessary but they dont care. In the room I accepted, I found the bathroom door could not be closed, the AC did not work. The swimming pool which was clean in the morning, looked dirty in the evening after all these children playing in there and doing what they do. Also tried their establishment in Subic. Toalet not flushing. Shower hardly working. No bedsheets, they claimed the customer had to ask. With such cheap labour-cost, why they dont just fix it?
All in all, really bad experience, will never go there anymore.

Tried Orchid Inn with large swimming pool. Nice but expensive. 2750 peso (60 USD) for superior room. But they really have a rat problem. I saw them at three different times, and one actually stepped onto my gf's foot. I think the biggest was 13 cm + 13 cm tail, quite big if you ask me. Back home anyone would be chocked, but I dont think they care to much.

Also tried LeMirage. New apartelle right on the Fields with clean rooms. Until 31.aug they have a promo, with good rooms for only 1200 peso. Best bargain these days!

By the way, this rainy season so many girls, very few customers. (dont be afraid rain, only 1 or 2 times a day then finish, buy an umbrella). In DollHouse, open 24/7, sometimes no customers except you. Just let your dick pick, barfine 1300 peso. Happy hunting. I will love to come back soon.

The Voyager

08-03-07, 19:14

Visited ABC just for s boxing event some days ago. Really nice place, big pool area in the middle. But far, far too expensive I think to stay there. 125 usd ++.Hehe, was there too during the event, the most interesting was not the boxing but rather the 50+ girls in the swimming pool loosing their bikini top ;)

The hotel is MUCH better than other ones i've seen in AC, and i stayed in their deluxe room (most basic one but already very good (real 4* level)) for 4000P a night including a great breakfast. The hotel just opened 6 months ago, so everything is brand new. I believe it is actually a good price/ quality offering as you can relax in a room with good AC, closing doors, and without rats ;)

During my 4 nights stay, i barfined from the following spots, where i found what i liked most:
- La Bamba, 1200.
- Camelot, 1200.
- Voodoo, 1300.
- Foxy, perimeter area, 1500, Lead dancer, very pretty and open to all naughty propositions.

I am now in Barrio Barretto (subic) where my adventures continue, i will post in the adequate thread later, but globally i prefer the scene in Barrio, less bars but still plenty enough to find adequate talent, and the girls are much more relaxed and less business-oriented.

Cornwall

08-04-07, 14:43

hi,

i've just been reading through all the posts from the last few months, so i thought i'd make a few comments based on my last trip in april, 2007.

first i just wanted to say, billy baht (post from 7/26/07), you've said so many good things; you obviously have the right attitude about so many things regarding travel in thailand and the p.i., and we can all learn from your tolerance and maturity. thanks.

this was my 2nd trip to ac, the prior one being in 2004. i think things have changed for the better: more room choices, more eating choices, the new mall, etc. i even discovered a posh english style pub (the "orange lion" i believe) on fields across from the royal amsterdam, which had a nice selection of belgian beers (duvel / chimay / forbidden fruit for 130-180 pesos +/-). it was quite a strange feeling sitting outside watching the 3rd world slumminess that is ac, while drinking some of the finest quality beer in the world.

i wanted to say (without judgement) that the atm machines at the new sm mall are indeed a nice addition. but, as luck would have it, the first morning i went over there to make an atm withdrawal, the machine for china bank froze up and ate my card, leaving me standing there pissed off and speechless. this was my only atm card, and the remainder of my trip would be a hassle without it. i've been to the p.i. twice now, and both times i've encountered serious travelers hassles, so at least i'm (and the p.i. is) consistent! what a drag!

anyway, i was able to get my card back the next day after repeated visits to the retail branch bank in the mall, but it turned out that the network charged my account for the 10,000 pesos which i had attempted to withdraw, so i had to deal with all that after getting back to the u.s. (my bank credited me back the $218. +/- after i finally reached the right contact person). so for the remainder of my stay in ac, i resorted to the good old-fashioned method of trading us currency for pesos at one of the money changers along fields. didn't want to take a chance with my atm card again!

a few quick observations:

1) viagra/cialis street salesman and assorted beggars are a pain, and it takes every bit of restraint i have to ignore them and not lose my cool.

2) a girl at the black pearl (santos street) remembered me from my prior trip there 2.5 years ago, even though i didn't have "relations" with her at that time - unbelievable! the black pearl is still one of my favorite places to go for characters, girls, and fun.

3) stayed at the pacific breeze for all 6 nights i was there. great staff and very comfy, but i have to say its one of the noisiest hotels i've ever stayed in (and i've stayed in many), due to the rooms being positioned around an open courtyard having a fountain and marble tiled flooring everywhere, including the interiors of the rooms. from inside your room, you could even hear what was happening in the lobby 3-4 floors below! too bad about that...

4) i'm sure its just me, but i get tired real fast of the whole "disco bar" scene (the same way i do in thailand). loud stupid music, dancing girls that are so bored that you (as a customer) feel like you are more "on stage" than they are, and being approached for lady drinks multiple times before you can even get one drink of your own down. and they (disco bars) are all basically the same setup. why doesn't one do something different, like having quiet jazz music with available girls sitting on the sidelines who dont approach until you call them over? what a nice change something like that would be!

5) i flew into clark afb this time (from macau on tiger airlines), and it is definitely the way to go! an easy 15 minute ride via your hotel shuttle (300 pesos for pacific breeze) and you're there!

sorry if it sounds like i'm complaining, cause i'm really not. ac is what it is, and everyone can find his own level of fun. personally, i enjoy the perimeter road bars better than fields. and ac really is a great and inexpensive place to find threesomes, which i really do enjoy. i had a pool party one night with a couple girls from geckos; great fun, although i kicked one girl out in the morning in order to have some morning nookie with the other girl. she was truly a 22 year old "stunner" (although i hate that overused term). afterwards we went to breakfast, where she kept talking about her "63 year old boyfriend from canada", who by chance we ran into at margarita station. funny stuff, and only in the philippines.

anyway, thanks for listening. i will go back again. despite its drawbacks, angeles city is still a great time for a very cheap price!

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Scribe

08-04-07, 19:09

The hotel is MUCH better than other ones i've seen in AC, and i stayed in their deluxe room (most basic one but already very good (real 4* level)) for 4000P a night including a great breakfast.
I've just been quoted USD630 for 7 night at the ABC Hotel, including free breakfasts and airport pickup. This amount will be less 5% discount if I pay 50% up front. The hotel looks very nice on their website, but can you tell me if it is within walking distance of the Go Go bars? Forgive my ignorance, but I've never been to Angeles, and I can't find much in the forum about this.

Aussiec

08-04-07, 22:51

Yes, its right in all the actiom of all the bars.

Sagramore

08-05-07, 00:12

Scribe,

The ABC hotel is new, I believe it has only opened in the last 6 months. It is centrally located with all of the Fields Ave. bars in walking distance.

Since you are a first time visitor I would recommend downloading a map of Angeles from acmap.com. It is a great resource that was put together by a fellow monger.

Cheers!

Ploughman

08-05-07, 02:06

I've just been quoted USD630 for 7 night at the ABC Hotel, including free breakfasts and airport pickup. This amount will be less 5% discount if I pay 50% up front. The hotel looks very nice on their website, but can you tell me if it is within walking distance of the Go Go bars? Forgive my ignorance, but I've never been to Angeles, and I can't find much in the forum about this.

Location is very good; both the SM City and Fields Ave. core areas are walkable without much trouble. OTOH, it's definitely on the high end of a Cheap Charlie market on pricing, so it better be really good.

Alas, I didn't stay long enough in Udon Thani to research. Read some posts about how it used to be great. Beer bars are still operating near Charoensri complex (similar to Chiang Mai), and discos have some girls but they don't always go with you. That was the extent of the research. :(

Wazza88

08-05-07, 12:04

Cornwall, enjoyed your post. Why don't you bring cash with you to AC,then you don't have a problem with your card in the ATM.

AC is the only way to go. Good luck, mate.

Rubberyman

08-06-07, 10:44

Great report Cornwall.

I agree with your comments about ATM cards. I had one card refuse to work the whole time I was there on my first trip. Luckily I had a back up. Thereafter I carry enough cash for a couple of weeks with the ATM cards as backup.

The thing about the bars and hassling for lady drinks I found could be avoided after the first time IF I stood firm and very politely refused to purchase a lady drink. Thereafter, the good memories that these girls have (and you referred to in the 'Black Pearl' part of your report) meant that they knew I was not going to buy LD, and so they did not even try. That gave me plenty of time on second and third etc visits to eye off the talent before moving in for the kill.

Six weeks to 'wheels up'.

FireWalker

08-06-07, 16:47

Key Master

08-06-07, 17:25

For those recommending carrying cash instead of ATM's, realize that safes aren't as safe as you think. If you loose your cash, it's not replaced by your bank for free. If you loose your ATM card they are replaceable. If an ATM doesn't work when you want to use it, there is another one or it will work later. Bring cash for emergency purposes like when you can't access an ATM and need to change money. It's easy to say bring all cash when you have never lost money from a thief. Always have a backup and another backup.

In regards to ABC Hotel. Most hotels charge like 300 pesos to pick you up from the airport. It's like a 10-15 minute ride. You can eat meals anywhere from like $3 to whatever you want to spend. You have to wake up by a certain time and get down to the restaurant in time to get the breakfasts included with your room. Angeles is a very third world in many ways. It's not a fancy place. Leave your nice jewelery and clothes at home.

The Voyager

08-06-07, 17:40

You have to wake up by a certain time and get down to the restaurant in time to get the breakfasts included with your room. ABC will serve breakfast until 3pm, that's if you're a fan of morning action ;)

And to respond to scribe, yes it is located in walking distance to fields bar and to SM mall.

I should state I have no stake into the hotel bu I found it more enjoyable than other previous hotels I went too. Ok it's more expensive than other hotels, but its better too so the price/quality ratio is still there. I didn't mind bringing 20$ girls back to the room, and they seemed to enjoy the place as well; )

X Man

08-06-07, 18:40

Firewalker, what does accomodation price have to do with the price of p4p? Using your logic, does it make sense to spend $500+ for a plane ticket in order to do $20 girls?

My last visit I stayed at America Hotel for about 1500 pesos. I like the pool there, but I wish the beds had box springs.

Scribe, ABC is walking distance to the action. The Wild Orchid is even closer, has similar standards, but might be hard to get a reservation.

Here are some pictures of ABC. Yea, a bit gaudy. I didn't take any pictures inside, but it looks top quality.

X Man

Is there a particular reason you want to stay at the most expensive place in town to bring $20 girls back to?

X Man

08-06-07, 18:52

The balcony rooms in the back that overlook the pool are my favorites (see pic). Avoid the rooms in the front unless you are a heavy sleeper. The trikes can be very noisy.

Every time I stay here I find women in the pool in only their underwear. Usually this happens at night when someone brings his bar fine(s) back, but this last time it was in the day (see pic)!

American is right in between the Fields area and the Perimeter area. In fact I'm quite fond of the two bars right next store to America Hotel: Emotions and ??? (maybe Top Hat). Emotions they wear cut off t-shirts. When they are on stage you can often see part of their tits hanging out from under the t-shirts. Many of them will be more than happy to flash you.

X Man

X Man

08-06-07, 19:36

Some pictures inside the room.

X Man

Scribe

08-06-07, 19:56

Many thanks to everyone who replied to my questions. You'll be rewarded with photos aplenty after my trip.

Rubberyman

08-06-07, 21:48

Hi keymaster,

You make a good point about safes not necessarily being safe. The hotel can open any safe they want with a key (all they do is prise off the little plate that sits between the keypad and the knob, and there it is, the keyhole to get in).

However, my initial experience was that one of my ATM cards did not work for a whole two weeks. So I would have been stuffed had I relied on that card.

I spend about $80 per day (apart from hotels which I put on the credit card)on my trips, so a couple of weeks' worth of $$ works out at $1120. I would not like to lose that amount of money, but on the other hand, nor would I like to be stranded in AC without a functioning ATM card. So I figure it is really a matter of risk management. I get a much better rate of exchange with cash than my bank, and my bank also charges an ATM fee. That altogether works out saving me about $100 per trip by carrying cash. So, if I get eleven trips in without being robbed of the whole amount, then I am ahead. Of course, being robbed of the whole amount is a worst case scenario, since if the heist were to happen half way through, the loss would be half that.

Just from talking to people and browsing these forums, I don't think such heists are anything like frequent enough to cause concern.

Jettsetter

08-06-07, 22:01

My recommendation is ABC.

Before staying at ABC, I stayed at the end of the strip (Walter??) at some hotel where some girl was "allegedly killed". It was not nice. I mean in terms of American Standards, that place was pretty dumpy. It was clean, but the bed was built into a tile structure and the place felt like TJ in Mexico.

I didn't even shower there, I packed up and walked to ABC and asked for availability. At $100USD per night it was pricey, but the difference was day and night. ABC was at the top of luxury. More luxurious than hotels in Vegas (common rooms)... I mean it had a nice bathroom, luxurious bed, etc. etc

Truly a place where a gal wants to hang out all day and F your brains out, just for the privilege of staying there. We had girls who'd call their friends to brag.

When we were there (Feb 2007), the second building was not yet completed, but we stayed in the main building on the 2nd and 3rd floors.

the only con to the room was no elevator... but who cares.. a little stair climbing never killed anyone.

Internet was abundant (with a LAN cable), the staff was cool. Breakfast was good, and it was alot closer than the other dump i stayed at.

Now this is just my opinion. Others didn't mind that hotel for the price and I thought it wasn't BAD for the price, but I'm on vacation. I'm not trying to "survive..." so I went for the big bucks and the ABC hotel compared to ALL the hotels I looked at (I took at look at all the other popular ones) was far above any hotel I looked at in AC.

One note. the Hotel also had a relationship with Mimosa Golf Club and we were able to get a tee time for the following day at Mimosa. Mind you we had to rent clubs, etc.. but it was a blast.

Any questions on AC and ABC, feel free to PM me. I'll be back for a few days in October 4-8. Anybody interested in hitting up some bars together, let me know..

Otherwise, I'm sure I'll find SOMEONE to keep me company!! :)

-Jettsetter

Firewalker, what does accomodation price have to do with the price of p4p? Using your logic, does it make sense to spend $500+ for a plane ticket in order to do $20 girls?

My last visit I stayed at America Hotel for about 1500 pesos. I like the pool there, but I wish the beds had box springs.

Scribe, ABC is walking distance to the action. The Wild Orchid is even closer, has similar standards, but might be hard to get a reservation.

Here are some pictures of ABC. Yea, a bit gaudy. I didn't take any pictures inside, but it looks top quality.

X Man

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Jettsetter

08-06-07, 22:04

X Man

08-07-07, 02:51

Like Rubbery, I tend to take enought cash and have the card as the emergency backup. If your atm card doesn't work I think you can go into a bank and get a cash advance on your credit card.

If Rubbery spends $40 on a room, his daily budget is $120.

I calculated about $160 per day for myself, but that included three domestic flights (MLA - CEBU - Davao - MLA) and over $200 for a new pair of glasses.

If I put my costs in order from the bigeest: Hotel / wine, women, song / domestic travel / shopping / food

X Man

Hi keymaster,

You make a good point about safes not necessarily being safe. The hotel can open any safe they want with a key (all they do is prise off the little plate that sits between the keypad and the knob, and there it is, the keyhole to get in).

However, my initial experience was that one of my ATM cards did not work for a whole two weeks. So I would have been stuffed had I relied on that card.

I spend about $80 per day (apart from hotels which I put on the credit card)on my trips, so a couple of weeks' worth of $$ works out at $1120. I would not like to lose that amount of money, but on the other hand, nor would I like to be stranded in AC without a functioning ATM card. So I figure it is really a matter of risk management. I get a much better rate of exchange with cash than my bank, and my bank also charges an ATM fee. That altogether works out saving me about $100 per trip by carrying cash. So, if I get eleven trips in without being robbed of the whole amount, then I am ahead. Of course, being robbed of the whole amount is a worst case scenario, since if the heist were to happen half way through, the loss would be half that.

Just from talking to people and browsing these forums, I don't think such heists are anything like frequent enough to cause concern.

Hesekiels

08-07-07, 04:17

If Rubbery spends $40 on a room, his daily budget is $120.

Indeed a very handy amount that guarantees always a lot of fun! During my recent stay I burnt that as well, providing me at times even with two barfines per day! The first one from 3pm to 7pm, the second one from 11pm till dawn. Simply great and IMHO every single penny worth it! Where in the world you get a good hotel room, a lot of drinks in various bars plus two horny cuties for 120 bucks? :)

Cheers - Hesekiels

Hesekiels

08-07-07, 04:44

Folks:

Before I forget: if you like some great afternoon entertainment, Viper Room is a great place to be! Some pretty dancers on stage and very, very friendly waitresses available.

For all gentlemen who like slightly chubby girls - ask for 'Joy' (waitress). Not the prettiest face in town, but a good body, very friendly and, that's the best, horny like hell! :) Truly a nice companion for the afternoon hours!

Cheers - Hesekiels

Ekspat

08-07-07, 07:14

Before staying at ABC, I stayed at the end of the strip (Walter??) at some hotel where some girl was "allegedly killed". It was not nice.
You mean the Clarkton?

Cheers!

HenryV

08-07-07, 15:38

Security wise, I invested in one of those fake cans (Barbasol Shave Cream). I split my money up between it, the safe (if available), and lock my suitcase.

Hi keymaster,

You make a good point about safes not necessarily being safe. The hotel can open any safe they want with a key (all they do is prise off the little plate that sits between the keypad and the knob, and there it is, the keyhole to get in).

However, my initial experience was that one of my ATM cards did not work for a whole two weeks. So I would have been stuffed had I relied on that card.

I spend about $80 per day (apart from hotels which I put on the credit card)on my trips, so a couple of weeks' worth of $$ works out at $1120. I would not like to lose that amount of money, but on the other hand, nor would I like to be stranded in AC without a functioning ATM card. So I figure it is really a matter of risk management. I get a much better rate of exchange with cash than my bank, and my bank also charges an ATM fee. That altogether works out saving me about $100 per trip by carrying cash. So, if I get eleven trips in without being robbed of the whole amount, then I am ahead. Of course, being robbed of the whole amount is a worst case scenario, since if the heist were to happen half way through, the loss would be half that.

Just from talking to people and browsing these forums, I don't think such heists are anything like frequent enough to cause concern.

Mongering1

08-07-07, 16:58

My hardrive recently needed formatting so I don't have a decent word processor to spell check ect, forgive me this.

Kokomoz: Good news and bad, macaroni with 3 cheeses is the bomb is the good news, bad news is that the Italian sausage sandwich no longer available.

Voodoo: Rivals Treasure Island now for sure, IMHO is better! I had a great time there last week and DS and BCM doing a kick ass job. Made my newbie in tow happy as well as me and my girl and even my hardened expat buddy. That's hard to do in any venue.

SubD: Fix the damn CRs! I'm rarely in a hurry but I hear most complaints about the service, fix that too. But it's still one of my favs to meet up with my buddies and thier dates upstairs. Prices are par for Field's venue and quality is decent.

Fire and Ice: Great early happy hour on Perimeter, P35 drinks from noon to 3pm. The few top shelf girls really know they are top shelf so buyer beware. Overall I really love this bar. Has it all, more than decent line-up, music level just about right, pool table, mostly good attitudes from the girls, clean CR, great layout, and overall a good experience.

Nasty Duck: Good vibe in this bar. BigAl posted about mommy shouting him for taking a pic is about the only complaint I've heard from this bar. The management say they will change the girls uniforms to the half shirts instead of the wire bras currently used by most. Happy hour prices from 3pm-6pm is P35 locals. Got to say that besides Rio/Nifties bars I spend most my free afternoon time here.

Rio/Nifties: Always my fav if out at 2pm. Not usually a stunner, but some of the best times I currently have is in these bars. I wasn't here for the "good old days" but I'm sure these bars are as close as I care to share of what I think might have been. Do have to put in this, longtime is hard to do since the girls can and will make a lot more pesos doing many short times.

Perimeter in general: Honeykos still has the best overall line-up and I must mention the best waitress massage in town. I've always bragged up this bar and still do. The prices seem a bit stable now since is rainy season, but I sense it's going to get worse come September onwards for these bars. I can go on and on, but most has been posted so I won't repeat recent reviews on Perimeter bars. Basically I spend 90% of my bar hopping time on Perimeter due to mostly location then prices. I have no comment on Roadies or Lost In Asia since I don't get up that way lately, but I will assume that Roadies is still the "perfect" bar and Harro is an asshole!

Field's: Don't get there too often, but I have so many buddies coming and going that I'm often obliged to do a barhop about once a week at least.

Voodoo; sticks out first in my mind at the moment. Perimeter attitude girls with prime location of Field's. I already reviewed it in this post so you can see I'm very impressed.

BNG: Too fucking loud!

Alaska: Damn! I'm a cheap fuck down this way but I very rarely leave this bar without buying a LD or two. Pound for pound line-up, Alaska going to win!

Of course I been to many other bars, well almost all of them since my last update so excuse me if I left out some bars since they are basically unchanged since my last post. I will add now that the weak dollar is really fucking with my social life. I lost basically 30%++ since I been here.

I do want to point out one thing. Just a couple years ago you could go to some certain bars for short time for P500 with room on site. Now it's P1,000+ and you have to pay for the room too, P350 at some bars! Unless I'm with the newbie he is going to get ripped. Perimeter used to be the place to go for cheap ano. Now for just a short time is going to cost the tourist more than a barfine on Field's.

In closing: AC is still the place to be. If it wasn't I would move. Bars still change by the hour at times and it's unfair to judge any place from just one visit. I haven't had a very bad experience in a long time but have had some very nice pleasant surprises lately and I think I hit them all.

Bud

X Man

08-08-07, 05:30

Thanks for the bar / restaurant summary.

As recently as March I got a short time in a Perimeter bar for 700. I would have kept her longer, but she declined. I needed more time to explore what her 5'7" body had to offer. I gave 500 tip as for excellent service and attitude and pictures. The bar used to have two ST rooms, but at that time only one. I wonder why this service is in decline. Maybe too much risk for the bar?

X Man

I do want to point out one thing. Just a couple years ago you could go to some certain bars for short time for P500 with room on site. Now it's P1,000+ and you have to pay for the room too, P350 at some bars! Unless I'm with the newbie he is going to get ripped. Perimeter used to be the place to go for cheap ano. Now for just a short time is going to cost the tourist more than a barfine on Field's.

In closing: AC is still the place to be. If it wasn't I would move. Bars still change by the hour at times and it's unfair to judge any place from just one visit. I haven't had a very bad experience in a long time but have had some very nice pleasant surprises lately and I think I hit them all.

Bud

Hesekiels

08-08-07, 17:06

Andody needing advice about!

Bars with the best girls

Please don't hesitate to pm me.Leadbeater405,

Wow, thanks for your great offer! However, I am pretty sure that would be most interesting for all of us! So, why don't you enlighten all our readers in terms of 'bars with the best girls'? Honestly spoken, I am very curious! :)

Cheers,

Hesekiels

Buko Max

08-10-07, 17:06

Leadbeater405,

Wow, thanks for your great offer! However, I am pretty sure that would be most interesting for all of us! So, why don't you enlighten all our readers in terms of 'bars with the best girls'? Honestly spoken, I am very curious! :)
Hello Hesekiels,

Forget about this one for he was banned yesterday. You can check out his parting shot in the banned users hall of shame. I think he was a shill for the ABC hotel.

Cheers!

Hesekiels

08-11-07, 00:32

Hello Hesekiels,

Forget about this one for he was banned yesterday. You can check out his parting shot in the banned users hall of shame. I think he was a shill for the ABC hotel.

Cheers!

Hello Mattrick:

Bad luck, because now I fear the worst, namely that we will never find out where exactly the best girls are! :)

Now seriously: beauty is always in the eye of the beholder (damn, what a stupid platitude, isn't it!? :) )! However, when Ekspat and I hit dozens of bars three weeks ago I saw vitually everywhere at least one cuty which met my taste.

BTW, this time I had a lot of fun at Ziggy's! Since they have plenty of new girls from Samar on stage their line-up has improved considerably IMHO. So I could not resist and barfined two girls from there - both truly excellent and worth every single peso!

Cheers - Hesekiels

Correspondent

08-12-07, 14:15

I tried my hardest to remember it (the website is located right on the moving stage). But I got distracted, each of the 7 nights I was in that damn bar!!

Anyone help?

Thanks. Will be there Oct. 4-8. A short trip. Anyone interested in meeting up for a beer, let me know.

I'm a regular in China and have been to AC a few times. Always have a good time here!http://asianfields.com/
but the page is currently down.
the reason is given here: http://www.ocsupport.com/?location=networkstatus&view=181

I haven't visited their site in ages because the pics and info weren't updated for about 3 years.

Key Master

08-12-07, 21:00

Like Rubbery, I tend to take enought cash and have the card as the emergency backup. If your atm card doesn't work I think you can go into a bank and get a cash advance on your credit card.

If Rubbery spends $40 on a room, his daily budget is $120.

I calculated about $160 per day for myself, but that included three domestic flights (MLA - CEBU - Davao - MLA) and over $200 for a new pair of glasses.

If I put my costs in order from the bigeest: Hotel / wine, women, song / domestic travel / shopping / food

X Man

I can't speak for other people's experiences. I have only had one issue with not getting money out of an ATM one time and that was taken care of by going to another ATM. I have used the ATM mainly for my last two trips. The main issue I heard of problems with ATM's in AC was the availability. But I think with SM Mall it's not really an issue anymore. Otherwise going out to McArthur was the way. I am able to get quite a bit of cash on each visit from my bank, and it might not be the same for other people's banks. I can pull upwards of like $600 a day. Other people might be limited to like $300. If that's the case obviously bringing more cash that I do would have to be if you have some concerns about ATMs working.

One thing I remember from posts somewhere was a problem with a certain network of ATM's that started with a "P". I can't remember the name of the network. I think the best network which I've heard from others is Cirrus for ATM's. If you don't have a Cirrus ATM network for your ATM card, you might want to consider getting with a banking institution that does if you are a frequent visitor. Either way there are pros and cons to all venues of accessing local currency. You take your chances with any of them. The best to me is to have a mix of options rather than depending on one.

Blunderer

08-13-07, 18:21

Key Master

08-13-07, 20:55

Note that relatively often the ATMs will fail due to communications problems etc. Sometimes when that happens, it gives you no money, but the transaction goes through to your bank anyway. I lost a bunch of money not realizing this was happening and not keeping a close enough eye on my bank statement.

A way of getting around this problem is to alway check your balance, then withdraw money. There's a small chance comms will go down in time you are actually at the ATM, but it is a lot better than your odds otherwise.

That sounds more like robbery me to me. Did it happen at the same ATM? I understand the infrastructure isn't that good, but that shouldn't happen if it didn't dispense cash. I had that happen once when I hit the button to withdraw money and later the machine froze and gave me some error message. I went back to my computer and logged on for the next few days checking to see if the transaction went through or not. It didn't.

Hippie

08-15-07, 08:11

SubD: Fix the damn CRs!

Including the door knobs! The newbie friend and I got stuck in the upstairs bathroom when the door knob came off in my hand. Luckily our hardened expat buddy was at a table and got a good laugh from coming to let us out when I called him.

That was the same night the newbie left and went somewhere else because the newbie waitress refused to tell him what was in pancit Canton and would only say "it's Filipino food." So obviously the service could use some work, also, but overall I found it no worse than Mo's.

I do want to point out one thing. Just a couple years ago you could go to some certain bars for short time for P500 with room on site. Now it's P1,000+ and you have to pay for the room too, P350 at some bars! Unless I'm with the newbie he is going to get ripped. Perimeter used to be the place to go for cheap ano. Now for just a short time is going to cost the tourist more than a barfine on Field's.

Yes, and I really think bar owners are shooting themselves in the foot with this. Charging anything extra for use of a ST room only makes sense if demand is exceeding supply. Otherwise, they WANT customers to use the room, as it means that the girl finishes and is back to work much quicker. Also, with more and more Field bars opening in the afternoon, there is becoming less of a reason for the occasional tourist to venture out to Perimeter.

Blink157

08-17-07, 08:51

Hi,
Pacific breeze has a massage, its 800 pesos...anyboy tried it..any hanky panky going on???

Please PM me or report here.

Met some guys from australia last nyt in bar, they told me they have been to the market. One pinoy took a pictures from them and ask for money. They told him to fuck off and then they got in trouble, furnitures flyin and all of the sudden evry guy there jumps on them.
Police came but nothing happen, the guys starting the fight and the aussie guys been released.

They meet some nice lookin gurls there. Im not so sure about them, they keep on flirting with me also , when their "aussie boyfriends"lookd other directions.
I told the guys to be careful, ignore fights, cause you cant beat up pinoys in their own country, you will have the whole family and brgy against you.

Happy hunting and heads up!!!

Blink

X Man

08-17-07, 14:15

Well, in most cultures (including Australia) you don't tell people to "fk off". Well, you might if you have one big happy smile on your face.

Nevertheless, blink has some good advice. Stay calm, don't insult anyone, make a joke to diffuse tension (you should pay me for my model picture!). I know it's good advice, but not always been able to follow it myself.

Oh, I'm sure the PB massage is full of hanky panky....looking forward to someone who's tried.

So, Blink, did you slip those girls your phone number? Who gives a flying fk about some ozzie wankers.

X Man

Hi,
Pacific breeze has a massage, its 800 pesos...anyboy tried it..any hanky panky going on???

Please PM me or report here.

Met some guys from australia last nyt in bar, they told me they have been to the market. One pinoy took a pictures from them and ask for money. They told him to fuck off and then they got in trouble, furnitures flyin and all of the sudden evry guy there jumps on them.
Police came but nothing happen, the guys starting the fight and the aussie guys been released.

They meet some nice lookin gurls there. Im not so sure about them, they keep on flirting with me also , when their "aussie boyfriends"lookd other directions.
I told the guys to be careful, ignore fights, cause you cant beat up pinoys in their own country, you will have the whole family and brgy against you.

Happy hunting and heads up!!!

Blink

Correspondent

08-18-07, 05:08

Yes, and I really think bar owners are shooting themselves in the foot with this. Charging anything extra for use of a ST room only makes sense if demand is exceeding supply. Otherwise, they WANT customers to use the room, as it means that the girl finishes and is back to work much quicker. Also, with more and more Field bars opening in the afternoon, there is becoming less of a reason for the occasional tourist to venture out to Perimeter.A lot of guys who use a ST room don't have the option of taking the girl to their hotel as they either already have a girl/girlfriend there or they are AC residents with a wife at home.

A bar owner is providing the room for sheer convenience and privacy for these type of punters, because for anyone else, a quick trike ride gets you back to your hotel (or some decent clean hotels nearby already have ST rates for P350).

Blink157

08-19-07, 13:26

Well, in most cultures (including Australia) you don't tell people to "fk off". Well, you might if you have one big happy smile on your face.

Nevertheless, blink has some good advice. Stay calm, don't insult anyone, make a joke to diffuse tension (you should pay me for my model picture!). I know it's good advice, but not always been able to follow it myself.

Oh, I'm sure the PB massage is full of hanky panky....looking forward to someone who's tried.

So, Blink, did you slip those girls your phone number? Who gives a flying fk about some ozzie wankers.

X Man
Hi there,
went in the pacific breeze and went out again after I saw the massage room, actually its only one and it was allready occupied by korean guy. They ask me for their room service but I passed on that, cause u never know who is coming. To many options here..LOL.

Took one solodancer out of DH and yeah, I pay the 3k barfine, who cares, she was hot and I was hot too and I have to say she gave a very gud service. 5"8 and big susu, easy to spot.
went to the Pacific breeze pool today and had some beers with friends (after breakfast LOL)..guess who came in??? My barfine from last night, hehehehe..met her other boyfriend..or merienda victim..funny deja vu :D

Going now to heartbreakers , saw a nice 5"8 tall and slim gurl there also. I love those cuties..slim and tall, thats my thing..

Xmen, no I didnt get the info yet, but I PM it to you if I met the gurls again :D

I stay now in Pacific breeze and I can say its gud hotel, gud beds , gud shower and nice staff. Pool area is really nice, I stay some more nights there, cause my new gf is coming there tomrow, met her on chat and the first meeting will be in my hotel, hahahahaha....well lets see..more on that laters.

weather is fine here, I realy like the rainy seasons, its not hot and after a shower u get fresh air and if there is to much rain you just stay in ur room with ur honeyko.

Life is great!! Gotta go...
Happy hunting!!

Blink

Asian Explorer

08-19-07, 19:51

Jettsetter

08-20-07, 21:42

Took one solodancer out of DH and yeah, I pay the 3k barfine,

Blink

Hey brothers.. did I miss something? $3k at DH? have th rates gone up lately or is this just isolated to this performer at this location? Do tell? I'm out in that area again in the beginning of Oct., and certainly would be disappointed to see the rates everywhere like this.

-Jettsetter

Hesekiels

08-20-07, 22:27

Hey brothers.. did I miss something? $3k at DH? have th rates gone up lately or is this just isolated to this performer at this location? Do tell? I'm out in that area again in the beginning of Oct., and certainly would be disappointed to see the rates everywhere like this.

-Jettsetter

Don't worry, Jettsetter! 3,000 pesos barfine at Dollhouse is indeed just the rate for their 5 to 10 'spotlight dancers'! The other hundreds of girls go still for 1,300 pesos. Similar at Las Vegas: 'solo dancers' 2,000 pesos, waitresses and 'normal dancers' 1,300 pesos.

However, whenever I see dozens of cuties on stage I am wondering why to pay more than double as much for the assumed 'superstars'?

IMHO, of course!

Cheers - Hesekiels

Hippie

08-20-07, 22:56

Of course they are, but that in no way affects the validity of the argument I am making. It is a win-win situation for the bar, because the girl misses much less work. Charging 300-500 for the room makes no sense, because at those rates the guys can just take the girl to a short time hotel for about the same or less money, and generally get a lot better room and have a more relaxed time with the girl. There are also guys who just want a quickie, and don't want to go to the trouble of going to a hotel. Some of them might pay for the room, but many won't.

A lot of guys who use a ST room don't have the option of taking the girl to their hotel as they either already have a girl/girlfriend there or they are AC residents with a wife at home.

A bar owner is providing the room for sheer convenience and privacy for these type of punters, because for anyone else, a quick trike ride gets you back to your hotel (or some decent clean hotels nearby already have ST rates for P350).

X Man

08-21-07, 00:33

I'm not sure, but maybe the point that Correspondent was making is that guys with long term relationships CANNOT be seen out and about with other women and therefore have no choice but to pay the room fee.

And in some cases the ladies come from Pampanga and tell their families they are waitresses. They also have reasons not to be seen walking into a hotel with some guy. This may be rare, but I came across it once. Of course this is a good reason for the bars to keep their short time rooms....

Also, why does the girl miss less work? Short time gives you what? I think it's two hours. You mean less time in a ST vs. LT situation?

X Man

Of course they are, but that in no way affects the validity of the argument I am making. It is a win-win situation for the bar, because the girl misses much less work. Charging 300-500 for the room makes no sense, because at those rates the guys can just take the girl to a short time hotel for about the same or less money, and generally get a lot better room and have a more relaxed time with the girl. There are also guys who just want a quickie, and don't want to go to the trouble of going to a hotel. Some of them might pay for the room, but many won't.

Bigguy4469

08-21-07, 01:37

I will be in Angelse tonight for the first time i should arrive pacific brezze hotel about 5p.m. if any one wants to have a drink maybe we can meet up give me your mobile number and i can call u.. i will buy the first round.

Thanks and see you guys soon.

Blink157

08-21-07, 04:44

Hey brothers.. did I miss something? $3k at DH? have th rates gone up lately or is this just isolated to this performer at this location? Do tell? I'm out in that area again in the beginning of Oct., and certainly would be disappointed to see the rates everywhere like this.

-Jettsetter

Hi,
no just stupid horny guys who are fixed on one type of gurl like me paying this :D....seriously this is for solodancers and showmodels in DH....they also have 1300p..in most of the places its between 1000 and 1400(showgurls agassya)

Life is great, just kissed my chatgurlfriend gudbye and ready for another adventures.....

remember......dont txt the gurls, let them txt you......

Life is gud, staying at the Pacificbreeze, posting some pictures here laters in fotosection.....

mabuhay patay

Blink

FireWalker

08-21-07, 11:09

Don't worry, Jettsetter! 3,000 pesos barfine at Dollhouse is indeed just the rate for their 5 to 10 'spotlight dancers'! The other hundreds of girls go still for 1,300 pesos. Similar at Las Vegas: 'solo dancers' 2,000 pesos, waitresses and 'normal dancers' 1,300 pesos.

However, whenever I see dozens of cuties on stage I am wondering why to pay more than double as much for the assumed 'superstars'?

IMHO, of course!

Cheers - Hesekiels

It is total bullshit paying for a spotlight dancer. There was one at DH that just the week before was in a Perimeter Bar and could be had for 1000. Most of those so-called dancers couldn't even get a job as a stripper in LA. Who wants a girl that has been fucked so many times by a bunch of overspenders anyway? I'd rather pull one of the waitresses.

Hippie

08-21-07, 11:21

Also, why does the girl miss less work? Short time gives you what? I think it's two hours. You mean less time in a ST vs. LT situation?

X Man
No, in the sense that she spends a lot less time going to a hotel and coming back. Also, when guys go ST in a bar, they frequently just go in the room, do the deed, shower (hopefully) and come back out. Average time is probably under 30 minutes, from what I have seen. When they take the girl to another location, they are more likely to take the full two hours or whatever period is allotted. Partly because their lust has cooled down a bit during the trip to the hotel, partly because there is just a different feeling to the situation when you take a girl off the premises. Of course, I am generalizing. There are exceptions.

Hippie

08-21-07, 11:27

It is total bullshit paying for a spotlight dancer. There was one at DH that just the week before was in a Perimeter Bar and could be had for 1000. Most of those so-called dancers couldn't even get a job as a stripper in LA. Who wants a girl that has been fucked so many times by a bunch of overspenders anyway? I'd rather pull one of the waitresses.
As someone who worked as a DJ and manager in topless clubs during college, I have no doubt that those girls could all get a job in any but the very highest end strip clubs in the USA with no problem. However, I agree with you that I would never pay 3000 to barfine them. (That's why I don't go to Manila in the first place.) I believe the bar fine is set that high to prohibit them from being barfined frequently. The club wants them there to do the shows and keep customers coming in and buying drinks.

FireWalker

08-21-07, 11:40

As someone who worked as a DJ and manager in topless clubs during college, I have no doubt that those girls could all get a job in any but the very highest end strip clubs in the USA with no problem. However, I agree with you that I would never pay 3000 to barfine them. (That's why I don't go to Manila in the first place.) I believe the bar fine is set that high to prohibit them from being barfined frequently. The club wants them there to do the shows and keep customers coming in and buying drinks.

I'm not talking about Manila, but the DH spotlight dancers specifically. Actually, the spotlight dancers get barfined excessively there.

X Man

08-21-07, 13:42

Okay, you have a point and I've noticed the same thing. I don't want to continue this thread forever, but I'll post one more possiblitiy...

THose married guys do the in and out as quickly as possible (30 min?)...in order not to raise suspicions. Again, a captured market who will pay extra for the discretion.

Guys like me try to squeeze in a second round. Of course if the first round is unsatisfactory, I might be out in 30 min too! So, I think everyone is right in this discussion.

The only point that WAS NOT covered was my earlier assertion that having ST rooms on the premises poses additional risks to the bar. Allowing guys to pay an EWR seems to pose a lot less risk than having mirrored rooms in the back with female employees buck naked in the back with old Joe from Alabama.

Of course the Santos ave bars do manage quite well with this business model, but aren't they Philipino owned?

BTW, noticed the Black Pearl has increased their number of computers. I have to respect a business that diversifies. I bet they doubled their income with that little trick.

X Man

No, in the sense that she spends a lot less time going to a hotel and coming back. Also, when guys go ST in a bar, they frequently just go in the room, do the deed, shower (hopefully) and come back out. Average time is probably under 30 minutes, from what I have seen. When they take the girl to another location, they are more likely to take the full two hours or whatever period is allotted. Partly because their lust has cooled down a bit during the trip to the hotel, partly because there is just a different feeling to the situation when you take a girl off the premises. Of course, I am generalizing. There are exceptions.

Mongering1

08-21-07, 19:22

This question is focused on transportation to Clark, so some might argue it belongs in the transportation forum, but the Angelese/Clark experts are here, so the question is too.

I've spent lots of time in the Philippines, but have never traveled on my own to Angeles/Clark, so I need answers from others. A co-worker arrives in Manila at 9PM and must travel to the Holiday Inn at Clark. I don't want him to take the bus, something along the lines of a taxi/Tamaraw would be preferred. I don't think it matters if he shares with 1 or 2 others, but a bus/Jeepney is out. It is preferable that he be able to get the transportation at the airport on arrival.

What are his options?

Go to www.theville.com and reserve a ride from them. They will pick up anywhere in Manila and deliver anywhere in AC. P2,100 for a car, best value I know of. 0918-518-2436 is the cell number for them.

Yes, you can get an airport taxi to deliver you directly to AC. The cost is P2,800.

Bud

Blink157

08-22-07, 04:58

Hi guys,
Im here on holiday and if I like the gurl I barfine her, even if its 3k. They have some gorgoues gurls in DH and Im a picky guy and rather go for quality then for quantitiy, of course Im not stupid, if I see another gurl I like and goes for the usual 1200p or so I barfine that one.
I took a dancer from Dh last time, she screwed me all night, gud performance and we danced all night im my bed.....yesterday I had 3 gurls there, spend them shots make friends and leave them my cp numbers to come over to my pool before they work. I have a gfs allready and Im serious to all of them (LOL), if I barfine a gurl she must be my taste 100% and drop dead gorgeous, otherwise I wont spend money on her.So, I guess evrybody is free to do as he like.
Btw lookin at the real estate offers here, I guess angeles city will be on his way to be a secound las vegas style entertainment venue in Asia....gud thing its still cheap, di ba??

Happy hunting!!

Blink

Hesekiels

08-22-07, 22:38

Who wants a girl that has been fucked so many times by a bunch of overspenders anyway? I'd rather pull one of the waitresses.

Well, Fire Walker, I believe that virtually all of them are quite overused, aren't they? :)

Now seriously, the only thing that really matters is a good service at reasonable costs. So, for 3,000 pesos I would rather barfine two waitresses instead of one spotlight dancer! Folks, let's be honest, what is more exciting than a great threesome? At least I enjoy it - always! :)

Cheers - Hesekiels

Nvslim

08-22-07, 23:10

X Man

08-23-07, 08:32

OVERUSED??? Get serious. All the girls I barfine have been on the job for less than a week. The fact that they are so great at bedroom acrobatics is probably a process of osmosis. They somehow absorb these skills by dancing next to the real pros.

And the waitresses. of course they are models of purity and goodness. Surely Hesekiels is barfining two waitresses for the only the most conventional activities....going to church maybe....

X Man

Hesek, I've never done a 3some. Despite how nice the fantasy sounds, I'm always thinking that it would double (or triple depending on how you do the statistics) the chance of bad personal vibes.

The obvious advice is to find two ladies who are friends (or lovers), but if you have any other advice or ancedotes, please share.

Well, Fire Walker, I believe that virtually all of them are quite overused, aren't they? :)

Now seriously, the only thing that really matters is a good service at reasonable costs. So, for 3,000 pesos I would rather barfine two waitresses instead of one spotlight dancer! Folks, let's be honest, what is more exciting than a great threesome? At least I enjoy it - always! :)

Cheers - Hesekiels

Blink157

08-23-07, 10:53

Back in The mid-1980s, I spent many military leaves in Angeles City. My favorite bars were off Peremeter Road, behind the Oasis Hotel on a cul-de-sac. Red Baron was one but I don't recall the names of the others. Also, are the four bars still in business.

Haven't been back since 1987 when I married a Filipina. She is everything I wanted in a wife so no real reason for more hunting.

Planning a return in 2009 for 60th birthday.

I have enclosed some old photos to jog the memory.

Slim
hi,
maybe Im wrong , but it looks to me like the bar from the old chicago bar hotel, now central park hotel.Theyhad some nice cuties there, last visit this bar 1997...its gone allready.

Blink

Hesekiels

08-24-07, 00:16

All the girls I barfine have been on the job for less than a week.

Surely Hesekiels is barfining two waitresses for the only the most conventional activities....going to church maybe....

I've never done a 3some.

... but if you have any other advice or ancedotes, please share.

Hi X-Man:

Well, it would be my greatest pleasure to tell you personally a couple of anecdotes over a bottle of SMB (let's say on the 20th December 9pm at La Pasha?)! :) But giving 'advices' might be slightly unfair since tastes are mostly different. However, of course I am glad to share some of my experiences with you. So, here we go:

Contrary to the barfines you had, my girls were in the business for at least 6 months.

Yes, you are right: whenever I barfined two waitresses/dancers it was indeed 'only for the most conventional activities!' But certainly not for going to church. Since I did not find a synagogue in AC we went straight to my hotel room instead! :)

You never had a threesome? Man, what have you missed until now!? So, you might reconsider that since you can get it easily for the price of one spotlight dancer!?

IMHO, of course!

Cheers - Hesekiels

Columpuss

08-25-07, 04:17

great old pics nvslim

Too bad the girls can't walk around naked like that anymore.

Chickenlegs1

08-25-07, 16:47

Hello Columpuss,

Tissue manufacturers would be very upset at the loss of sales.As you may know, most dancers stuff several down the front, unlike in Pattaya.

I look forward to being back in AC. in a few weeks.(Live in China)Visitor since pre-Pinatubo.

Some suggestions for the budget-conscious:

10P for a jeepney from CRK to jeepney station.(Jeepney goes from Route 1 site to departure lounge. )

DM Residente, Koala, Patio etc.at ca. 900P/night. Never had a complaint from BF girl.Comfortable,air-conditioned, pool. As they say, "It's up to you"

In July, 750 ST and 1200 LT.(leave 9am) Be a nice person, this is what you get.
(Generally Perimeter prices, though not exclusively)

I enjoy this forum as a "newbie". Keep up the good work!

Chickenlegs 1

Qiao Han

08-26-07, 12:59

I look forward to being back in AC. in a few weeks.(Live in China)Visitor since pre-Pinatubo.Chickenlegs 1Tried to send you a PM but I guess you're not a paid member yet. I'll be in AC Sep 28 for a week. My usual hangout is with the cherry girls at Lanies tourist hangout next to Insomnia. Buy you an SMB. Welcome to the forum.

I live in China too.

QH

FireWalker

08-26-07, 23:10

Well, Fire Walker, I believe that virtually all of them are quite overused, aren't they? :)

Now seriously, the only thing that really matters is a good service at reasonable costs. So, for 3,000 pesos I would rather barfine two waitresses instead of one spotlight dancer! Folks, let's be honest, what is more exciting than a great threesome? At least I enjoy it - always! :)

Cheers - Hesekiels

A lot of the girls do not have that much sexual experience. My point was that when a girl is a spotlight dancer there is a silly notion that they are special because they cost more to barfine. They end up getting barfined alot because guys with money believe that. For 3 thousand pesos, I can barfine 3 girls on Perimeter and they are probably better dancers.

Last year, one spotlight dancer at DH was a few weeks earlier working at Limited Edition. She got arrested in the Tea Times raid for eating pussy onstage during a Perimeter Party. Anyone could have barfined her for 1000 anytime before that. Actually, she also continued working at Limited Edition during the day for a while and at DH at night.

Coremine

08-27-07, 12:40

Hi there,

Glad to be a part of this forum.

I will be arriving in Manilla at 10: 30 at night and want to get to AC. It will be a first trip there after numerous trips and living in Thailand.

What is the best way to get to AC at that time of the night. The cost is not a factor. Just want to get there. (from Zyborgian Korea)

If I only have carry on luggage and meet a driver for example on a Friday night, at about what time would I get to AC?

And can someone recommend a Hotel for the first night. Good but not great with a king size bed and tiled floors. And thereafter which hotel in AC has the best pool. As in large and deep and yessss. Clean. Having local lovlies lolling around would be nice too.

One last question if I may. Coconuts. Actually the worlds largest seed. Are there places or people selling coconuts around Angeles. The water is 100% sterile and bio-chemically similar to blood plasma. Kept many a GI alive during the Pacific War with transfusions. Great for blood sugar issues as well and weght loss.

Looking forward to writing up a comparative report with Pattaya. The English speaking ability of the Filipinos will be interesting.

Alas I will only be there from late Friday night to the following Wednesday.

Thanks in advance.

Core

Correspondent

08-27-07, 13:50

Back in The mid-1980s, I spent many military leaves in Angeles City. My favorite bars were off Peremeter Road, behind the Oasis Hotel on a cul-de-sac. Red Baron was one but I don't recall the names of the others. Also, are the four bars still in business.

Haven't been back since 1987 when I married a Filipina. She is everything I wanted in a wife so no real reason for more hunting.

Planning a return in 2009 for 60th birthday.

I have enclosed some old photos to jog the memory.

SlimDont know of any bars that survived Pinatubo.

Many bars have changed hands/name several times just in the past few years!

I'm sure your wife is great, but is she everything that you want in a *****?
(Well Ac will always be there for that! ;) )

And a planned trip for 2009?? Its a nice touch that it will be your 60th, but you could be dead before then, its 2 years away!

Get your ass over here soon, while you still can!

Chickenlegs1

08-27-07, 16:15

G'day Qiao Man,

Qiao min means expat in Putonghua, but I suppose you understood the pun. The reason a lot of us expats come here is, though Chinese girls can be drop dead gorgeous, AC girls have it all over them in the boom-boom stakes. QM mentioned Insomnias. Peter, one of the managers, loves talking about cricket and football. Next thing it's 5 am. Anyhow, he lined me up with a couple of good BFs for the next night. Nico at Butterfly Rock is also good for a chat.

See anyone interested at Lanies (28/9/07) and we can compare notes.

Hesekiels

08-27-07, 20:40

My point was that when a girl is a spotlight dancer there is a silly notion that they are special because they cost more to barfine. They end up getting barfined alot because guys with money believe that. For 3 thousand pesos, I can barfine 3 girls on Perimeter and they are probably better dancers.

FW:

I've got your point! BTW, if I am not mistaken Perimeter bars have increased their barfines to 1,200 pesos!? Can anybody confirm that?

Cheers - Hesekiels

Jettsetter

08-27-07, 23:13

Ekspat

08-28-07, 04:56

BTW, if I am not mistaken Perimeter bars have increased their barfines to 1,200 pesos!?
1,000ps for BF seems history, but I'm not sure whether 1,100 or 1,200ps nowadays.
Different with each bar I think. And since I barfine usually after lots of SMB, I don't remember exactly.
I'll confirm on next trip 8th/Sep onwards.

Cheers!

Chickenlegs1

08-28-07, 09:40

Hi Coremine,

IMHO, you are better off getting a ca. P100 metered taxi to a hotel like the Park Oasis (1900/night) or the Amazonia in Emrita. At the last one the freelancers will be all over you, esp. At that time of night, in the bar. Then you can take your time in getting to AC, after savouring the delights of one of the Manila girls.

Regards,

Chickenlegs

X Man

08-28-07, 14:20

From Korea, can't you fly into Clark?

I'll assume you're flying into MLA.

Cost is not a factor? Contact Wild Orchid and ask them to pick you up at the airport.
info@wildorchidresort.com

Hi there,

Glad to be a part of this forum.

I will be arriving in Manilla at 10: 30 at night and want to get to AC. It will be a first trip there after numerous trips and living in Thailand.

What is the best way to get to AC at that time of the night. The cost is not a factor. Just want to get there. (from Zyborgian Korea)

If I only have carry on luggage and meet a driver for example on a Friday night, at about what time would I get to AC?

And can someone recommend a Hotel for the first night. Good but not great with a king size bed and tiled floors. And thereafter which hotel in AC has the best pool. As in large and deep and yessss. Clean. Having local lovlies lolling around would be nice too.

One last question if I may. Coconuts. Actually the worlds largest seed. Are there places or people selling coconuts around Angeles. The water is 100% sterile and bio-chemically similar to blood plasma. Kept many a GI alive during the Pacific War with transfusions. Great for blood sugar issues as well and weght loss.

Looking forward to writing up a comparative report with Pattaya. The English speaking ability of the Filipinos will be interesting.

Alas I will only be there from late Friday night to the following Wednesday.

Thanks in advance.

Core

Hesekiels

08-28-07, 18:19

1,000ps for BF seems history, but I'm not sure whether 1,100 or 1,200ps nowadays.
Different with each bar I think. And since I barfine usually after lots of SMB, I don't remember exactly.
I'll confirm on next trip 8th/Sep onwards.

Cheers!

Hi Ekspat:

Great! I also look forward to reading your next post(s)! In the meantime virtually ALL girls in AC must know you personally - and vice versa!? :) So, I suppose that you have some nice and entertaining stories for all of us?

Keep the pen active, brother!

Cheers - Hesekiels

Coremine

08-28-07, 20:20

X Man

08-29-07, 08:27

Travel would be less than two hours, probably about an hour at those times because of the light traffic.

AC hotel ride question I already answered (check the URL) and yes regular taxis will go to AC as they do Bkk - Pattaya.

Too bad about Pusan. I was there about 25 years ago and it was a lot of fun in those days. I picked up a real sweety on Texas Street. From what you wrote about the place, she may still be there!

X Man

Thanks for the replies - and I had done some reading.

As I have never been to AC, I want to ask about the travel time to AC from the airport on a Friday night leaving with a AC pick up taxi at maybe 12:30 midnight.

The last thing I want is to be stuck in large city for hours. When I'm hanging out to get laid - looking forward to multiple encounters of an enticing kind

How does this compare to an early morning Saturday departure. Maybe at 6:00 am. The daylight would allow for actually having a look at Manila on the way out to AC. Would there be a big difference between the two travel times?

The idea of staying at the Amazonia in Emrita looks good - to arrive and be sucked in by wet lips within an hour certainly has its appeal :)

Do AC hotels send taxis to Manila hotels to pick up guests ?

Do local taxis take people out to AC as it done in Bkk to Pattaya? And if so, how much should one pay?

Decided to stay at the Pacific Breeze. The email communiation is excellent with the Hotel. Quick full query responses. They answered my question re coconut water.

3 weeks until the play begins.

Oh - I live in Pusan here in Korea and there are no flights to Clark from here.

The local girl scene here after 4 years living in Thailand is awful by the way - just don't play - older scaggy woman want US100 for a 20 mintue encounter. Don't think so.

Thanks again,

Core

FireWalker

08-31-07, 10:03

Hi Ekspat:

Great! I also look forward to reading your next post(s)! In the meantime virtually ALL girls in AC must know you personally - and vice versa!? :) So, I suppose that you have some nice and entertaining stories for all of us?

Keep the pen active, brother!

Cheers - Hesekiels
1000 pesos Perimeter Bar
1200-1250 Fields

Subaculture

08-31-07, 15:38

Some suggestions for the budget-conscious:

10P for a jeepney from CRK to jeepney station.(Jeepney goes from Route 1 site to departure lounge. )

Chickenlegs 1

I was told there was no public transport from the Clarke airport to the Fields.... is there a jeepney from arrivals hall to fields?

SC

Sammon

08-31-07, 16:34

For some reason there is no public transport from Clark to the town. If you want to catch a Jeepney you have to walk to the main street. The guy outside will call cab for you. It will cost 200 pesos to Fields area.
If you have prearranged Cab from the Hotel it will cost 300 to 400 Pesos.
Take a Taxi. It is not worth lugging yourself and the luggage to save couple of dollars.

Steve74

08-31-07, 20:19

Thanks for the replies - and I had done some reading.

As I have never been to AC, I want to ask about the travel time to AC from the airport on a Friday night leaving with a AC pick up taxi at maybe 12:30 midnight.

The last thing I want is to be stuck in large city for hours. When I'm hanging out to get laid - looking forward to multiple encounters of an enticing kind

How does this compare to an early morning Saturday departure. Maybe at 6:00 am. The daylight would allow for actually having a look at Manila on the way out to AC. Would there be a big difference between the two travel times?

The idea of staying at the Amazonia in Emrita looks good - to arrive and be sucked in by wet lips within an hour certainly has its appeal :)

Do AC hotels send taxis to Manila hotels to pick up guests ?

Do local taxis take people out to AC as it done in Bkk to Pattaya? And if so, how much should one pay?

Decided to stay at the Pacific Breeze. The email communiation is excellent with the Hotel. Quick full query responses. They answered my question re coconut water.

3 weeks until the play begins.

Oh - I live in Pusan here in Korea and there are no flights to Clark from here.

The local girl scene here after 4 years living in Thailand is awful by the way - just don't play - older scaggy woman want US100 for a 20 mintue encounter. Don't think so.

Thanks again,

Core

If leaving manila that late, traffic should be very light (unlike during day & early evening) - should be about 1.5 hours. Many of the bars close at 2 a.m., but some are open later including Dollhouse & Voodoo (both 24 hours). Both are very close to Pacific Breeze so you can still find a girl for your first night. Pacific Breeze is a good choice - great service and a very nice pool. They can have a driver pick up at airport & take you to the hotel - costs P2400 i think. I'd suggest doing this rather than getting a cab since cost will be about the same & you can trust Pacific Breeze to provide a good car & driver who'll be waiting for you. I think Pacific Breeze sells coconut at their restauarant.

Robbaf

08-31-07, 23:07

I flew in to Clark last month (first time) on business for one night and I stayed at the Holiday Inn on Clark. The hotel taxi was 600P to Fields and local cab 200P back. Nice girl friendly hotel, just too far from town. When I departed I went to ABC hotel to meet my co-worker, who I didn't know was there until the next morning and he had a driver for 2000P to take us back to Manila. Next time I will stay in town.

Robb

Key Master

09-01-07, 07:30

You can have a private car from Pacific Breeze pick you up from the airport or a hotel in Manila. Your ideal of leaving Manila at 6 am to see the city should be squashed not for travel time, but for logistics and stuff. No reason to see Manila in the daylight. There isn't much to see imo. It's ugly. Also, what's the point of getting to AC at 8 am. If you stay in Manila the first night, you don't want to have to get up that early. If you arrive at 10 am, your room might not even be ready. Take your time. Also, if you decide to stay in Ermita the first night, you can walk over to LA Cafe for the freelancer action. Also, you would be very close to Swagman and can take a bus from there for like 500 pesos that will take you straight to your hotel in AC. There are only three trips a day though, so you'll have to check the schedule and get there a little beforehand and purchase your ticket. Just another option instead of a private car.

Coremine

09-01-07, 09:19

Thank you for the replies. I have booked a room at the Pacific Breeze (pity one can't actually take a dip into the Pacific itself).

Roselle at the Hotel has been wonderful via our email exchanges. Full and rapid replies. They will have a coconut ready upon my arrival Bliss in Heaven. And then into Voodoo to begin a 4 day baccharian onslaught.

They will send a car to the airport to carry me off to AC which will make life even smoother.

I do intend to bonk a lot during my stay. Would the hotel staff see this as poor taste (too indulgent)? . This guy bring back multiple girls sometimes in 2' and 3's each day. Do they give a fuck? Can I ask for and get multiple towel changes? I would tip the cleaning lady and pay for the extra towels.

Listening to George Noory interviewing NZ's Jonathon Grey about his expeditions and his books. Ancient archaeology.. Fascinating

http://video.google.com/videoplay?theearch&plindex=5

Thanks again for the input. It has been most helpful.

Regards. Core.

Jettsetter

09-01-07, 10:15

Itinerary...

Depending on when you get in, if you want some instant action, I'd suggest hitting up AIRFORCE ONE right next to the airport.. You could have your urge satisfied in a Thailand style fishbowl selection within 30 minutes of your arrival (maybe even 15).

I'd then have the staff help you negotiate a ride back to AC, or going to the Margaritaville Station website and have them send a driver to pick you up from AF1 after you're nice and "spent."

Then just go to your hotel, and if you're "spent", go to bed, or try to find some action when you get in late at one of the 24 hour joints or some freelancers at one of the bars still open (not familiar with this scene).

If you're really good, maybe you can arrange for someone to meet you before you get into town via chat or getting someone's mobile, and having them wait for you when you get there... I'm sure your driver will know of some gals or contacts to some at any hour.

I'm a big fan of AF1.. reminds me to BKK Massat places like Catherine or Emannuelle or Evita... ahhh... the memories.

happy hunting.

-Jettsetter

X Man

09-01-07, 11:24

Thanks Jett, the guy who started this thread hasn't said a word, as is so unforunately common. But glad you could post some extra info. There was once an ISG (jedi) master, known as CL, who also recommended these "air force" or "AF" places.

I should go someday....

X Man

Itinerary...

Depending on when you get in, if you want some instant action, I'd suggest hitting up AIRFORCE ONE right next to the airport.. You could have your urge satisfied in a Thailand style fishbowl selection within 30 minutes of your arrival (maybe even 15).

I'd then have the staff help you negotiate a ride back to AC, or going to the Margaritaville Station website and have them send a driver to pick you up from AF1 after you're nice and "spent."

Then just go to your hotel, and if you're "spent", go to bed, or try to find some action when you get in late at one of the 24 hour joints or some freelancers at one of the bars still open (not familiar with this scene).

If you're really good, maybe you can arrange for someone to meet you before you get into town via chat or getting someone's mobile, and having them wait for you when you get there... I'm sure your driver will know of some gals or contacts to some at any hour.

I'm a big fan of AF1.. reminds me to BKK Massat places like Catherine or Emannuelle or Evita... ahhh... the memories.

happy hunting.

-Jettsetter

Coremine

09-01-07, 14:49

Initially, there was a legitimate complaint about those not following through within this forum after an initial topic question has been posited. Well, in my initial posting I pledged to offer a comparitive report between Angeles and Pattaya - and that will needfully occur after my first trip to the Philippines.

And again, it is a little difficult to continue a thread when one is a pre-newbie. All that we (those not yet exposed, and I dare imagine enthralled by AC's life) can do is to posit legit questions. I have done that earlier today, along with some comments about the Pacific Breeze's professionalism. That offering, alas, has yet to appear at this time of writing.

Thanks for sharing the idea of heading straight to Air Force One - having googled it a bit - the place looks like a lot of fun - and yes this boy is
bee-lining directing to the harem -

I trust that the Pacific Breeze's driver can be enticed to picked me up from there. I'll try anyway... Having spent oneself there at AF1, I see myself contentedly napping on my way out to AC - and once having arrived there, having the energy to go out again for No 2... :)

Alas, the hardships of being a single male.

Below is an entry for A F ONE

Again :)

Core

Air Force One stories
Jan. 06, 2006

(Published on Page B3 of the January 6, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer)

The nightclub Air Force One is building a similarly humongous branch in the Libis area of Quezon City, barely three years since it blasted into the scene to become the best KTV-men's "spa" in Metro Manila.

Ferdinand Topacio, lawyer for one of the Air Force One partners, confirmed that the consortium of low-key Chinese-Filipino owners had chosen a warehouse in Libis for the expansion.

Topacio declined to go into details, until all the regulatory issues shall have been resolved. Located near the Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Parañaque City, the one-hectare Air Force One complex had originally been designed as a shopping mall but the business was scuttled with the onset of the 1997 currency crisis.

Despite its out-of-the-way location, Air Force One has generated a buzz not only among the local patrons but also even in Internet blogs worldwide.

Said to be the same group behind the successful Classmates KTV nightclub on Quezon Avenue's entertainment row, the Air Force One owners successfully improved the industry image with a combination of a live-performance theater that has attracted the likes of such movie stars as Ara Mina, Angelica Jones, Maui Taylor and Patricia Javier, tastefully designed private rooms and the acceptance of credit card payments even for "spa" services.

The ground floor even has a branch of HSBC and a 24-hour ATM for emergency cash withdrawals.

Following its airline motif, the spa is even named, in a nod to its target clientele, "Flight 168" -- 168 in Mandarin apparently sounds like "gain fortune all the way."

The private rooms, which come in first and business classes, even sport airline initials and flight numbers.

Aussiec

09-01-07, 23:32

I have heard of Airforce One but never been. I just got bak from my every 4 month trip and will head back to Philippines in November. I will have pics and result of trip in next few days. Anyway, what are the prices at airforce one and what is the routine. My guess its bar with fishbowl. Anyway what are the prices there and where near the airport is it? Thanks!

Coremine

09-02-07, 12:47

Copied from a blog - edited.

Posted January 03, 2006 So could be more expensive now ....

Air Force One – near the airport.

"Economy class" rooms cost P1500. "Business class" rooms cost P2500. "First class" rooms cost P3300. There is a 20% discount during promo hours of 12 noon to 6 pm.

So now I would like to introduce you all to probably how a Massage Parlor should be run. If I have VIP guests from other countries, I always take them to Flight 168!

Flight 168 is the MP arm of Air Force One. It is located in Airport Road, near Dampa. There is an HSBC ATM right beside it and even an ATM inside the MP itself. Handy when you suddenly realize you are short in cash (remember, the MPA doesn't take credit cards for "extra service. ")

Flight 168 tries to maintain an airport motif. You see clocks displaying the different time zones, people are dressed as if they are flight attendants, their rooms are numbered and categorized according to airlines (so you will see rooms named after Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific), and when an attendant is ready, you can hear someone cry out: "Number 52, ready for boarding. "

The place has two levels: the "economy" section, which is at the same floor as the KTV, and the more expensive "business class" and "first class" area, which is a floor below the KTV. Both have a nice waiting area, their own viewing room, and their own selection of attendants. I have tried the "economy" section once, and I found the rooms comfortable.

But the "business class" and "first class" rooms are the kicker. You are greeted with a wide lobby that looks like the lobby of a 5-star hotel. Drinks and pastries are available. This is one of the poshiest---if not THE poshiest---Massage Parlor lobby I have ever seen. Subdued lighting. Soft music. Courteous and well-dressed waiters. And they serve beer in tall glasses, although one San Mig light cost P120. They even have a foot spa!

Now the rooms are spacious. Very spacious. Almost as spacious as that of a 5-star hotel. I am not sure if the beds are either king-sized or queen-sized, but definitely not the tight single bed you see in some other MPs. Each room has their own shower and steam bath. "Business class" rooms have no jacuzzi but the "first class" rooms do have one. You have a cabinet and hangers for your clothes (some other MPs just have hooks on the wall to hang your clothes). Condiments include the standard shower, soap, bath gel, shaver, toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash, deodorant. One unique touch is that Flight 168 has aromatherapy fragrances. Plus bath robes. And you can control the ambiance of the room, from blaringly bright to a dim, cozy atmosphere just right for some "romance. "

"Economy class" rooms cost P1500. "Business class" rooms cost P2500. "First class" rooms cost P3300. There is a 20% discount during promo hours of 12 noon to 6 pm?

Wander Luster

09-02-07, 21:03

Overall I find myself wanting to cut my time allocated to Angeles on future trips vs. time for other places in the PI. Reason: The bar-hopping routine in Angeles seems like too much work and too time-consuming compared to options like LA Cafe in Manila (may it survive...) or Kamagayan in Cebu. Call me spoiled, but I'll try to lay out the case:

You mention "kamagayan" in Cebu. What the heck is that. I think i'm losing my memory at the ripe old age of...early 40s. I've been in cebu for 8 months of the last 2 years and thought I'd heard it all.

Thanks.

X Man

09-03-07, 00:13

sigh...

The same question was answered twice and could also be answered by searching for Kamagayan on the Internet.

Hint: Jonquerra is a road in Cebu....

You mention "kamagayan" in Cebu. What the heck is that. I think i'm losing my memory at the ripe old age of...early 40s. I've been in cebu for 8 months of the last 2 years and thought I'd heard it all.

Thanks.

Ekspat

09-03-07, 05:35

I do intend to bonk a lot during my stay. Would the hotel staff see this as poor taste (too indulgent)?
Not at all. The hotel staff would be worried and may think there is something wrong with you, if you don't do bonking at its best. :D

Cheers!

Jettsetter

09-03-07, 06:54

I've personally had the pleasure of going there, and while the prices are likely double or triple that of Angeles, the nice thing about the MP scene is the ability to see all available girls right away, and the level/quality of service.

The place is in a strip mall from the outside, on the same street as the airport. Literally you could likely walk to the airport (although I wouldn't given the neighborhood). A cab ride is literally minutes away.

The strip mall is called something like City Mall or Airport City Mall... as you enter, ground floor, they check in bags (absolutely no cameras). The place sorta looked abandoned, like it wasn't open yet.. that's probably because i always go in the afternoon.

So you enter ground floor and immediately have to go upstairs. As you walk upstairs on the left, there's the "economy section," which has a fishbowl. You wouldn't know it and would think it's abandoned by walking by... but there is, trust me.

As you walk to the end (past the economy section), you take an escalator down and there's ANOTHER fishbowl. Now both times I went, I picked someone from the business section, but from what I heard there's no difference in service. It's more about the rooms, but from what I know, you can't take an economy girl to business or vice versa.

The prices posted below are accurate.. not cheap, but by US standards, not expensive... the girls' service both times I went were pretty good... showered together, lots of dfk, bbbj, by both gals... just a nice time and couldn't complain..

both times, I got numbers but never ended up calling... they have 3 shifts (from what I asked) with the prime time being around 8 p.m. Pretty sure they open until about 2 a.m. (somewhere around there, can't remember for sure).

Some warnings:

Now the hardest part about AF1 is getting a cab out. . I waited about 15 minutes for a cab to take me... and they wanted flat rate to take me back to Makati - RIP OFF. Go to the street and flag a cabbie down with the meter.

Another warning: drinks outside... AF1 has a lounge... prices are pretty hefty, so just know how much they are before you pay for it.. we ordered some mango drinks, and they must've been about $5 USD each... heft by PI standards...

Anyways, have a good time... AF1 is the perfect off the plane retreat.

On a side note, I'd highly recomment AF1 be your BEFORE trip place.. the beauty about this place is that you can SHOWER, relax, and take a small nap before and/or after your flight.. nothing like being clean before and after a flight.

-Jettsetter.

The Lucky Guy

09-04-07, 11:36

Wesenam

09-04-07, 15:55

Hello all,

I am a real newbe and first timer in Philipines. Because of good words in this Forum I decided to go for it and I booked 4 Days ABC Hotel with Jaccuzi.

If you go out the hotel to the left are the cheaper bars. Drinks 55p, lady drinks 100 and barfine 1000p.

That it is cheaper does not say anything about the service I can tell you from experience.

The Gentlemensclub is not a fancy club but the admosphere is great. Nobody is pusing everybody relaxed and nice girls.

If you go from the ABC to the right site and visit bars like Blue Nile, Dollhouse and Camilot the prices getting much higher like 75P drink, 150p Ladydrink and 1300 barfine.

I have barfined a nice lady from the Gentlemensclub and she stayed 3 days. The last day I asked her to invite a friend. So I could sit in the jacuzi with 2 beatiful ladies.

I can tell you it was a wonderful experience

The Lucky Guy

09-04-07, 16:00

Thanks Mattrick for good information!

PS! Tweedy looks great to me!

Key Master

09-06-07, 07:55

You are more likely to find more chubby ones than the tall and skinny in AC in my opinion. If they are available, they are probably a bit more likely to be barfined earlier than later. Those pictures are not necessarily a good ideal of the normal quality there as those pictures skew them. AC is more for the GFE than finding real hot women. If you want that, you might want to head more towards Manila, but the price goes up. I am pretty sure that's not Dollhouse. Telling you where to find a certain type of woman in AC is difficult as the bars can change real fast. Either way it's cheap and the place is really small so you can hit a majority of bars without any transportation.

Blink157

09-06-07, 10:34

Hi!

I have seen the body paint exhibition from Mattrick, Ekspat and Xman posted in May 2007! Great bodies! Great shots!

A question: as I understand the pictures are taken in Dollhouse, Angeles City, are the girls in body paint available for the lower fee 1200P or the higher 3000P?

I haven't been to AC yet but hope to be there in about a month from now. I like the tall and skinny type of girls like these ones:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70239
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70114
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70243

How common are tall and slim girls like that compared to the a bit more chubby ones? Are prices and availability about the same or is it the tall and slim that are taken early in the evening? Is there any place that has more of that body type than others? Some reports suggest that the girls on the Fields are a bit more classy, does that equal my preference; "Tall and Slim"?

Would be greatful for all answers!

(Posted this first in the photo section. But I guess this is a more appropriate board for questions.)

hi,
dollhouse has modelshow on wednesday and all the models/spotlight dancers can be barfined as low as 3k LOL. SOme of the better loookin gurls are spotlightdancer but u can also find sometimes cuties there for 1300p or so.

If you not in a hurry, start barhop early and barfine before 8pm so u get the hot ones, otherwise you end up with.....well.....san miguel and not so hot ones :D.....

I just came backfrom PI (4 weeks hahahahaha) and report laters here some updates.

hope that helped a bit...

Happy hunting

Blink

The Lucky Guy

09-06-07, 20:17

You are more likely to find more chubby ones than the tall and skinny in AC in my opinion...
If you not in a hurry, start barhop early and barfine before 8pm so u get the hot ones, otherwise you end up with.....well.....san miguel and not so hot ones :D.Thanks guys for good info!

I think I will go for AC anyway. I want to see what Blow Job Row is before it disappear. How many here has actually tried it? The price is low and the degree of "sex without effort " must be the highest on the planet, but what about the girls? Are the girls there average for AC or are they significantly below (which would be my best guess.)?

Montrose

09-07-07, 00:39

The first and last body paint photos are from Las Vegas, which typically has a model show on Friday or Saturday each week. Two of the skinny models in the pictures are sisters who are no longer in AC. In Feburary I sampled both of the sisters in their body paint for 1300 pesos each. It's always been a great show.

Ekspat

09-07-07, 05:16

As Angeles growths further,
looking through my pictures of long time gone events....
I've found a scan of a bill.

4 SMB,
1 ST,
1 LD.

Total was 720 pesos.

Hard to get nowadays I guess...

Cheers!

Rubberyman

09-07-07, 10:52

Hi Lucky Guy,

You can find a variety of types in blow row. There are definitely some cuties.

However, some are cherry girls who will only do BJ. (BBBJ easy to find).

I also find that a lot of the regular barfines from the regular gogo bars do not give BBBJ, so I often have a barfine at night from the gogo, and a session in blow row during the day when in AC.

Good for a beer or two and some relief at lunch time.

They also have a cheap 'sample' session where you are not supposed to 'finish'. Ie 'sample' is cheapest, BBBJ is more expensive and BBBJ and fs is most expensive IF they do it. So you need to establish up front what the cost is just in case you lose control. Whatever, it won't break the bank.

X Man

09-07-07, 12:04

Thanks for the fr about two women who aren't available. If you know something, report it.

The first and last body paint photos are from Las Vegas, which typically has a model show on Friday or Saturday each week. Two of the skinny models in the pictures are sisters who are no longer in AC. In Feburary I sampled both of the sisters in their body paint for 1300 pesos each. It's always been a great show.

X Man

09-07-07, 12:06

LD?

[QUOTE=Ekspat]As Angeles growths further,
looking through my pictures of long time gone events....
I've found a scan of a bill.

4 SMB,
1 ST,
1 LD.

Dinghy

09-07-07, 14:34

usually it's "lady drink"

X Man

09-07-07, 15:55

OK, thanks for that. Duh.

My first trip to Philippines was when Marcos was Prez...but I don't rememer the prices. I seem to remember prices were cheaper as the clock ticked closer to martial law curfew.....he, he....the good old days.

usually it's "lady drink"

Key Master

09-07-07, 23:31

Thanks guys for good info!

I think I will go for AC anyway. I want to see what Blow Job Row is before it disappear. How many here has actually tried it? The price is low and the degree of "sex without effort " must be the highest on the planet, but what about the girls? Are the girls there average for AC or are they significantly below (which would be my best guess.)?

I want to somewhat recorrect what I said earlier. I am not necessarily saying that the majority of the women are chubby, I was saying you will more likely find chubby than a lot of tall and skinny women. I don't know if that was really more clearer or not. Anyway, there are a lot of women there period. I think of it kind of like Pattaya where there are a lot of women, and a lot of women I wouldn't do, but enough women that I'm attracted to to do. I am kind of particuliar, and I like tall and thin but that's a little harder to come by I think. You are more likely to find short and thin. To me Blow Row is no big deal, but whatever floats your boat. There are a lot more clubs open in the daytime now than before where you don't really have to go looking down Perimiter so much anymore, but it's definitely still worth going to as the whole entertainment section is really quite small and to me Perimiter and Fields are the same logistically. If you have the time, I say go for it. The women aren't as sexually experienced as I would like there, but they are nice companions. I felt the sex was at a much higher level in Manila but at a higher price for some reason. There are decent to good looking women in AC to keep anyone happy.

Coremine

09-08-07, 07:19

Again thanx to Jettsetterer/ Keymaster/ Steve74 for the ideas and suggetions.

Plan to visit Airforce One the Massage Harem near the airport on the way back home, as my flight leaves at 4:10 am. Apparently it closes at 2:00 am

So will leave AC at about 12 midnight and head to Airforce One. A great idea expressed earlier, is to shower. Bonk. And then again have good shower, freshen up as the last task of duty before heading to the airport.

And great to know that a long trip (from AC to the airport) is the not to be endured. And there is always a possibily of something happening with the taxi. Just can't miss that plane.

Two weeks to go until AC touchdown

I am also glad to have found the Harry's site :

http://www.harrythehorse.com/

Harry's monthly slots of info and insight comes from one who lives in AC -

One question - Does anyone have Harry's email address?

I can't see it there on his website - maybe he wants it that way.

Thanx

Core minus 13 days :)

Blink157

09-08-07, 16:18

Hi,
I tried santos santos street on my last trip august. I stayed pacific breeze ,so evrytime I walked home I saw some cuties at night and ask my self why not try them out on a time you dont go barhop or u just wanted to relief and look for new cuties but no pressure to barfine them.

So I went to one place called truck stop. It happen that this place belongs to the owner of the wild orchid, at least thats what I m thinking cause I found the guy and his friends there. he bought me a drink and I told him I stayed at pacific breeze :D....anyway place look nice and I saw 2 hotties who fit my taste. Tall and slim. I waved one to me and bought her a drink. I asked if she wanted go with me for short time and told her I stay nearby.

She said she aint gud at blow job(hahahaha) but say is ok she go with me.

her vitals are 5"6, 18 years old , slim and from samar.

Price was 600 p (hahahahaa cheap!!!) she did bbbj, sex and I tip her 200 p for her performance. I walked her out of my hotel and have to say that I will continue on my next trip to visit the santos gurls , cause I think its a pretty gud value for money what u get there.

Question to all my fellow mongers, did somebody tried WOW, its the small shabby place at the corner of santos. When I walked home at night I allways saw at least one or two gurls of my liking over there.

happy hunting

Blink

HenryV

09-08-07, 18:24

Tried them all. Its like fishing, sometimes a great one swims by, and sometimes nothings biting (no pun intended).

Hi,
I tried santos santos street on my last trip august. I stayed pacific breeze ,so evrytime I walked home I saw some cuties at night and ask my self why not try them out on a time you dont go barhop or u just wanted to relief and look for new cuties but no pressure to barfine them.

So I went to one place called truck stop. It happen that this place belongs to the owner of the wild orchid, at least thats what I m thinking cause I found the guy and his friends there. he bought me a drink and I told him I stayed at pacific breeze :D....anyway place look nice and I saw 2 hotties who fit my taste. Tall and slim. I waved one to me and bought her a drink. I asked if she wanted go with me for short time and told her I stay nearby.

She said she aint gud at blow job(hahahaha) but say is ok she go with me.

her vitals are 5"6, 18 years old , slim and from samar.

Price was 600 p (hahahahaa cheap!!!) she did bbbj, sex and I tip her 200 p for her performance. I walked her out of my hotel and have to say that I will continue on my next trip to visit the santos gurls , cause I think its a pretty gud value for money what u get there.

Question to all my fellow mongers, did somebody tried WOW, its the small shabby place at the corner of santos. When I walked home at night I allways saw at least one or two gurls of my liking over there.

happy hunting

Blink

Aussiec

09-08-07, 22:26

Yup I have done the Blow Row Adventure for quick afternoon relief. The one I went to was directly accross from Wild Orchid. Of course that limits 2 of them. I was at the one on the far left. Anyway, I elected the 2 girls which was well worth it cuz I make sure I take my time to blow my load but gee whiz it was worth it for the P 1000 for 2 girls. Yes blow row is getting smaller and smaller and I noticed when I showed up in August an area on santos had been leveled. So I guess little by little it seems to be disapearing. But the great thing about Blow row is it is BBBJ and some will and some will not swollow but they take it in mouth till completion. How nice! Oh and the ones that don't swoolow usually spit or run to bathroom upon completion! Blow row is a must for any first timer. Hey I just got to thinking. I got to plan now to go back in November!

Wazza88

09-09-07, 08:49

Again thanx to Jettsetterer/ Keymaster/ Steve74 for the ideas and suggetions

I am also glad to have found the Harry's site :

http://www.harrythehorse.com/

Harry's monthly slots of info and insight comes from one who lives in AC -

One question - Does anyone have Harry's email address?

I can't see it there on his website - maybe he wants it that way.

Thanx

Core minus 13 days :)I think his email is [Email address deleted by Admin]

Good luck and take care.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove email addresses in the text. Please do not post email addresses in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!

HenryV

09-09-07, 16:25

Gentlemen, a moment of silence, the current dissipation of Blow Row signals the end of an era.

Yup I have done the Blow Row Adventure for quick afternoon relief. The one I went to was directly accross from Wild Orchid. Of course that limits 2 of them. I was at the one on the far left. Anyway, I elected the 2 girls which was well worth it cuz I make sure I take my time to blow my load but gee whiz it was worth it for the P 1000 for 2 girls. Yes blow row is getting smaller and smaller and I noticed when I showed up in August an area on santos had been leveled. So I guess little by little it seems to be disapearing. But the great thing about Blow row is it is BBBJ and some will and some will not swollow but they take it in mouth till completion. How nice! Oh and the ones that don't swoolow usually spit or run to bathroom upon completion! Blow row is a must for any first timer. Hey I just got to thinking. I got to plan now to go back in November!

Ekspat

09-11-07, 04:02

The leveled part of the street.
RIP

Tokyohomeboy

09-11-07, 09:26

The Lucky Guy

09-11-07, 12:29

Thanks guys for good info about Blow Job Row! Appreciated!

Cowboy Mike, did you take the video inside one of the bars? It's very dark on the screen, is that intentionally or was it something wrong with the video I downloaded?

I have seen a lot of pictures taken inside of the bars in AC, is it OK to take pictures inside the bars in the Philippines? In Thailand there are signs everywhere to not use a camera, is Phil different?

I want to somewhat recorrect what I said earlier. I am not necessarily saying that the majority of the women are chubby, I was saying you will more likely find chubby than a lot of tall and skinny women. I don't know if that was really more clearer or not. Anyway, there are a lot of women there period.

Key Master, I think I understand what you want to say; there are a lot of chubby ones, but slims can be found. I guess it's like the Pattaya beer bars: yes it's possible to find beauties but you have to work (=walk from bar to bar) to find them.

My experience with Pattaya is that there are much easier to find beauties in the Go-go bars than in the beer bars. How is AC compared to that; is the AC bar girls more like the ones in Pattayas go-go bars or like Pattayas beer bars? (I understand that AC only has the equivalence to go-go bar, no beer bars Pattaya style).

By reading this forum I get the impression that most guys think that Thai girls are more beautiful than Philippines, but from elsewhere I have got the opposite impression. This forum seems to suggest that the main advantage with Phil ladies is that they are more GFE, hotter in bed and cheaper, but not as beautiful as Thai ladies. Whats you comment on that?

Hesekiels

09-11-07, 14:22

The leveled part of the street.
RIP

Looks like a booming economy! Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! :)

Cheers - Hesekiels

Wantoknow

09-11-07, 17:06

I'll be in AC for 5 days in October. Are there many moneychangers available in AC as in BBK? Thanks for the info.

Jettsetter

09-11-07, 17:58

I'll be in AC for 5 days in October. Are there many moneychangers available in AC as in BBK? Thanks for the info.

Hey brothers,

Will be in town October 5 for about 4 days. It's a pre-trip to AC before I head to China for some more fun. Anyways, if anyone else is around, and want to go bar hopping together (more fun in groups in my opinion), grab some food, go dirt biking around town, then PM me and let me know.

I'm staying at ABC for my duration.

-Jettsetter

Warbucks

09-11-07, 21:47

I never been to Angeles before but I had Filipina a girlfriend for a long time in Manila. She would fuck me to death constantly and I am 25 years old. I have been to Thailand 4 times in the pass year and I only experienced this with one bar girl in Pattaya and I will tell I have slept with many girls in Thailand, Phuket, Pattaya, Bangkok you name it but them damn Filipinas the US Marines called them LBFM for a reason. I was dating one in Korea back in 04 and one in Japan in last year same results. Sweet in public but an insatible ***** in bed.

The Thai WGS are prettier though. Making my cherry trip to Angeles in December.

Take it sleazy

Key Master

09-11-07, 22:25

By reading this forum I get the impression that most guys think that Thai girls are more beautiful than Philippines, but from elsewhere I have got the opposite impression. This forum seems to suggest that the main advantage with Phil ladies is that they are more GFE, hotter in bed and cheaper, but not as beautiful as Thai ladies. Whats you comment on that?

It's kind of true in my eyes. Pattaya is huge compared to AC. I think of AC as a much smaller version of Pattaya. There are more hotter women in the agogo's of Pattaya easily. There are some pretty hot women in AC but spread out and probably harder to find and barfine. But at the same time there are a lot of girl next door types, not real hot but attractive and nice personalities. I have more fun with the women in PI because they are more relaxed and can communicate. I find most of the women in Thailand's P4P are a little more mercenary. I think you should just give it a try. If you don't like it, which is possible, you can cut your trip short and go somewhere else possibly. My first time there I didn't like it, but I've liked it more and more as I've gone.

X Man

09-12-07, 01:05

Yes, of course there are money changers. This has been discussed many times on the list.

I think the consensus is don't put all your eggs in one basket. Having too much cash is risky. ATM machines sometimes don't work.

Pick pockets work on the jeepneys and in the mall.

X Man

I'll be in AC for 5 days in October. Are there many moneychangers available in AC as in BBK? Thanks for the info.

X Man

09-12-07, 01:26

Generally, you can't take pics in the bars. Several exceptions...

1) Some places put on a special show -- DollHouse for example. Then they allow pics.
2) Perimeter bars seem to be more relaxed. They might allow it, or at least turn a blind eye. It might depend on which manager/owner is there, or how "nice" you are perceived to be.

Buy a girl a drink. Ask her if you can take her picture. If she says yes, go for it. A manager might come up and ask you to stop. Apologize and put your camera away.

Don't pull out your camera and start taking pics of girls on stage without their permission. You might get away with it once or twice, but eventually you'll have a girl or two go ballistic on you.

If you want stage pics, follow my advice above about buying a drink. Take her pic when she's on stage. Encourage other dancers to enter the frame. Later show them the pcitures. Offer to send the pictures to their email accounts -- and since they are writing down their email address, they may as well write down their phone number too.

If the management has let you get this far, you have pics, email addresses and phone numbers. Make sure you write down names, bar name, date. Otherwise you'll end up with a notebook full of contact info and not be able to remember which one is the hottie and which one is the fat chick that barged into the frame.

X man

I have seen a lot of pictures taken inside of the bars in AC, is it OK to take pictures inside the bars in the Philippines? In Thailand there are signs everywhere to not use a camera, is Phil different?

?

Jettsetter

09-12-07, 02:26

Generally, you can't take pics in the bars. Several exceptions...

1) Some places put on a special show -- DollHouse for example. Then they allow pics.
2) Perimeter bars seem to be more relaxed. They might allow it, or at least turn a blind eye. It might depend on which manager/owner is there, or how "nice" you are perceived to be.

Buy a girl a drink. Ask her if you can take her picture. If she says yes, go for it. A manager might come up and ask you to stop. Apologize and put your camera away.

Don't pull out your camera and start taking pics of girls on stage without their permission. You might get away with it once or twice, but eventually you'll have a girl or two go ballistic on you.

If you want stage pics, follow my advice above about buying a drink. Take her pic when she's on stage. Encourage other dancers to enter the frame. Later show them the pcitures. Offer to send the pictures to their email accounts -- and since they are writing down their email address, they may as well write down their phone number too.

If the management has let you get this far, you have pics, email addresses and phone numbers. Make sure you write down names, bar name, date. Otherwise you'll end up with a notebook full of contact info and not be able to remember which one is the hottie and which one is the fat chick that barged into the frame.

X man

One sure way of being able to take pics is to go up on stage with the girls.. I went to a smaller bar and went up to the stage after tipping around with the dancers.. just a few pesos each... we snapped away with me on the stage along with all the girls..

it was fun, but probably not your idea of the ideal picture with me on the stage! hahaha.

-Jett

Aussiec

09-12-07, 13:33

I was at Dollhouse for a show in May and took 2 pics before a manager told me politely that is not allowed during the show. I guess its a hit or miss on which manager tells you to put it away. In Lolipop the gir; s LOVE the picture taking but then again they know me well in there. Here is the 2 pics from Dollhouse I took.

HenryV

09-12-07, 16:12

Having just spent two weeks in Pattaya, and as a regular visitor to PI, permit me to weigh in on this.

I believe you get the illusion in Pattaya the gals are better looking becasue of the sheer number of girls. Otherwise, per capita, the ratio appears about the same to me. Because A/C is tiny, compared to Pattaya, sometimes you need to go on safari for the lookers.

I also think the girls in Thailand are a bit more mercenary. However, as a general matter, on initial contact they are less inhibited and perform better than PI gals.

It's kind of true in my eyes. Pattaya is huge compared to AC. I think of AC as a much smaller version of Pattaya. There are more hotter women in the agogo's of Pattaya easily. There are some pretty hot women in AC but spread out and probably harder to find and barfine. But at the same time there are a lot of girl next door types, not real hot but attractive and nice personalities. I have more fun with the women in PI because they are more relaxed and can communicate. I find most of the women in Thailand's P4P are a little more mercenary. I think you should just give it a try. If you don't like it, which is possible, you can cut your trip short and go somewhere else possibly. My first time there I didn't like it, but I've liked it more and more as I've gone.

X Man

09-12-07, 17:00

I'm glad you had fun, but...

Go to a disco. Pay a bar fine and take her to the disco with you. No one wants to see you on a stage. Get a life!

Rare, but some bars do have a dance floor. Find those places. Better yet, go back 20 years to the strip in Olongapo where the bars were combination dance floor and go go. Some even had live bands. Those were the days. Thank gd few had video cameras back then. Not sure I want to see a younger and drunken X Man going "down, down, down..." to the beat of B52 Rock Lobster. Of course thinking about that one woman.....some vintage video might not be so bad....

I wonder why I never took pics in the bars in those days. I have a picture of a lass showing her crack on the beach at Subic and another one showing tit on that island in the bay, but I never took a picture in one of the bars.

X

One sure way of being able to take pics is to go up on stage with the girls.. I went to a smaller bar and went up to the stage after tipping around with the dancers.. just a few pesos each... we snapped away with me on the stage along with all the girls..

it was fun, but probably not your idea of the ideal picture with me on the stage! hahaha.

-Jett

Bold Focker

09-13-07, 01:04

This place is Las vegas next to stingers! the girl in first pic far left is Geraldine. Bf is P1500 she is a model. normal gogo girls are P1200.

I find the dollshouse a real rip off. i refuse to go there now! P3000 for top girl!
fuck that!

As for AC verses Pattaya!

I agree that AC tends to have taller and slimmer girls than Pattaya!
I would think that Thailand has enjoyed better times longer than PI and is creeping towards the fat yankie culture!
As for GFE experience I would suggest that AC has the edge. But i think i need to keep abreast of the situation some more!

I will be heading back to AC in November Second weekish (No dates set yet). would like to meet up with others as wingman!

Hi!

I have seen the body paint exhibition from Mattrick, Ekspat and Xman posted in May 2007! Great bodies! Great shots!

A question: as I understand the pictures are taken in Dollhouse, Angeles City, are the girls in body paint available for the lower fee 1200P or the higher 3000P?

I haven't been to AC yet but hope to be there in about a month from now. I like the tall and skinny type of girls like these ones:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70239
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70114
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70243

How common are tall and slim girls like that compared to the a bit more chubby ones? Are prices and availability about the same or is it the tall and slim that are taken early in the evening? Is there any place that has more of that body type than others? Some reports suggest that the girls on the Fields are a bit more classy, does that equal my preference; "Tall and Slim"?

Would be greatful for all answers!

(Posted this first in the photo section. But I guess this is a more appropriate board for questions.)

Bold Focker

09-13-07, 01:38

Have you tried Swiss Chalet, it has everything you want and a good air-con restaurant as well (i wish it was non-smoking tho) It is a good central location, only down side they are building another 10 storey hotel next door so could be noisey! P1500 PN.

www.swisschaletph.com

I'm coming to AC for the first time and tried to stay at Pacific Breeze but it's full. Read about ABC on the forum; seems nice but pricey. Anyone have recommendations for a nice hotel along the same lines?

Ekspat

09-13-07, 06:03

I was at Dollhouse for a show in May and took 2 pics before a manager told me politely that is not allowed during the show.
Funny, I went yesterday to DH and took around 2 GB on pics and videos.
Several other guys with DSLR shooting like if there's no tomorrow,
and countless guys taking pics with their phones and small digi-cams.
And the girls very keen to make photos.

Cheers!

Blink157

09-13-07, 09:25

Funny, I went yesterday to DH and took around 2 GB on pics and videos.
Several other guys with DSLR shooting like if there's no tomorrow,
and countless guys taking pics with their phones and small digi-cams.
And the girls very keen to make photos.

Cheers!
hi,
its because it was wednesday nyt...they have fashion show and evrybody is alowed to take pics of them....

BTW half of the spotdancer I barfined, hope some body will f..ck mona lisa and the othe rnice cherry gurl, cause I don tliek to spend 5o k for getn her cherry...but some guys pay for that.....my regards to those who paying :) (cause then I can screw them for small money :D without any trouble )

So please do that BEFORE christmas, thats when I fly back to the Pines :D

Happy hunting

Blink

Rubberyman

09-13-07, 11:40

Hey Blink - good idea to make sure that people don't overpay.

Now you won't do that when you get there will you?

Being serious, I thought that the going price for a cherry was P40k. Has it gone up?

I am going there Saturday, so inquiring minds need to know so as not to unduly inflate things for others.

Regards,

Rubbery.

Two days to wheels up. YeeeeeHaaaaaaaa.

X Man

09-13-07, 13:36

You need to make reservations well in advance. I love those mirror rooms. I posted some pictures of this place way back in May. I'm pretty sure I posted them in the AC section rather than the photo section.

X Man

Have you tried Swiss Chalet, it has everything you want and a good air-con restaurant as well (i wish it was non-smoking tho) It is a good central location, only down side they are building another 10 storey hotel next door so could be noisey! P1500 PN.

www.swisschaletph.com

Qiao Han

09-13-07, 14:30

Rare, but some bars do have a dance floor.

XWhich bars have a dance floor? The only one I've danced at is Bedrock.

Girls love guys who dance. And I prefer going out with good dancers because they have more energy, and there's just something about that hard and toned body underneath you that feels so much better than a girl who just sits on her ass all nite. Heck I'll even dance with the mamasan but I don't want to be the only one out there making a fool of myself.

QH

Aussiec

09-13-07, 17:23

Well I got a text from one of my "good friends" from Champayne Bar. I guess they have tempararily closed Champayne Bar due to something with the electricity there. So from what I found out is that they have all moved over to brown Sugar for now. So if anyone has any favorite girl from Champayne go see her at Brown Sugar. Just stay away from my girl! Ha ha!

Jettsetter

09-13-07, 23:18

I'm glad you had fun, but...

Go to a disco. Pay a bar fine and take her to the disco with you. No one wants to see you on a stage. Get a life!

Rare, but some bars do have a dance floor. Find those places. Better yet, go back 20 years to the strip in Olongapo where the bars were combination dance floor and go go. Some even had live bands. Those were the days. Thank gd few had video cameras back then. Not sure I want to see a younger and drunken X Man going "down, down, down..." to the beat of B52 Rock Lobster. Of course thinking about that one woman.....some vintage video might not be so bad....

I wonder why I never took pics in the bars in those days. I have a picture of a lass showing her crack on the beach at Subic and another one showing tit on that island in the bay, but I never took a picture in one of the bars.

X

Wow, just trying to inject a little humor. I think your age has made you quite grumpy. But I guess the guy with 800+ posts telling me to get a life is quite humorous too.

:)

-jett

Buko Max

09-13-07, 23:41

Which bars have a dance floor? The only one I've danced at is Bedrock.

Girls love guys who dance. And I prefer going out with good dancers because they have more energy, and there's just something about that hard and toned body underneath you that feels so much better than a girl who just sits on her ass all nite. Heck I'll even dance with the mamasan but I don't want to be the only one out there making a fool of myself.
Hello QH,

I've had great fun dancing up a storm at several bars particularly at Cambodia. They have an upper level stage that is partially obscured so you can get down and dirty with the dancers. The mamasans there also like to dance which is a great way get VIP treatment. Have you ever tried Skytrax Disco?

Aussiec

09-14-07, 02:07

Heard Champayne bar has closed due to some electrical problem and girls are over at Brown Sugar. Just for everyone to know.

X Man

09-14-07, 04:23

Oh, yeah, I'm sure the ladies think it's humorous when YOU get on stage -- I don't.

The only exception was when a young Ozzie couple got on stage at Silver Dollar and did some dirty dancing. That was a good show.

Yea, 800 posts. I've met two ISG guys, both with over 1000 posts, and they have very intersting lives.

Maybe it's hard for you to comprehend 800 posts as you slowly do your two-finger typing. I think you can buy typing software these days. It might help you. I worked my way thru college as a typist.
Or maybe you have to spend all your time kowtowing to your significant other and barely have time to visit ISG, much less enjoying PI live -- the beach, beer and debauchery of the Philippines. Anyway, hope you are enjoying your vicarious andventure to the Philippines.

X Man (grumpy old man)

Wow, just trying to inject a little humor. I think your age has made you quite grumpy. But I guess the guy with 800+ posts telling me to get a life is quite humorous too.

:)

-jett

Ekspat

09-14-07, 09:39

Yessss, 6 days in AC now and 14 cums so far.
With pleasant girls from Stinger, Pasha, Angels and Emotions.
Life can be great......... And another 2 days to go!

Less than 300 posts and with interesting life too.
Sincerely yours! :D

Cheers!

Blink157

09-14-07, 09:42

Hello QH,

I've had great fun dancing up a storm at several bars particularly at Cambodia. They have an upper level stage that is partially obscured so you can get down and dirty with the dancers. The mamasans there also like to dance which is a great way get VIP treatment. Have you ever tried Skytrax Disco?

hi,
try topclass disco, besides bunny ranch, only foreigners alowed to go in there, cause they like to make money not like in other local disco sellin coke for 20p (ahahaha).

I went skytrax 12 years ago, if I would go there today, then only with my colt45 (not the beer :D)

happy days

Blink

Blink157

09-14-07, 09:55

Wow, just trying to inject a little humor. I think your age has made you quite grumpy. But I guess the guy with 800+ posts telling me to get a life is quite humorous too.

:)

-jett
hi,
dont be so harsh to X men, I think he is a nice guy who will warm up after some beers, rum and coke and with a cute filipina sitting on his lap :D

I havent met him yet, cause I think he will allways tell the wettress seperate bills :D

Happy days

Blink

Soju Lizard

09-14-07, 10:11

LOL. Good post Ekspat. I have 28 to go and a wake up. Can't wait to see my favorite dusty little town again.

Yessss, 6 days in AC now and 14 cums so far.
With pleasant girls from Stinger, Pasha, Angels and Emotions.
Life can be great......... And another 2 days to go!

Less than 300 posts and with interesting life too.
Sincerely yours! :D

Cheers!

Crazy Ami

09-14-07, 11:09

First day back in AC since May, and boy, things are a-changin'. Couple of things off the bat:

Santos Street - VERY different. Buildings torn down, some new Irish bar opening on the other side of the street; it's like a new world. There's even a regular (albeit small) gogo bar now open on the old Row. I forgot the name, but it was using drink coozies from the old "Honkytonk." Only opened for 5 days (so said the youngest mamasan I've ever seen), and only 9 girls total. The girls I talked to (including the one I eventually barfined - she was nice) said that there were almost no customers, due to it being a regular gogo (complete with the stupid ping-pong ball gag) quite a ways down Santos St. My girl even told me that after 3 days, she was planning on quitting and moving to another bar the next day. All I can say is, good luck to the owners. P235 for 2 beers and one LD, then P1250 for the BF. More expensive than Blow Row, but cheaper (slightly) than the main drag. Meh.

Woodbell Restaurant - New restaurant on the side street of Fields with Mister Frosty on the corner. Opened on Sept. 4. Mostly Filipino food, but they have a few Western selections that aren't bad at all. I had fried pork medallions in gravy, rice, and vegetables for P80. Their waitresses are also very friendly. If you want a decent Western meal for a cheaper price than Mo's, Margarita, or Sub Delicious on the strip, I'd give this place a try at least once. I mean, it's already 5 hours after the meal, and I'm still not sick, so their record is already better than a few of my experiences at Mo's and Margarita.

New buildings going up all over the place - Golden Nile (monstrous eyesore that it is) is almost done, and there's a new building going up right next to Carousel. Carousel's upstairs apartelle (Mirage) is offering a summer special of 1200P a night, but I haven't checked it out yet. I think I will, because I'm paying 1600 at the moment.

So anyway, things are changing, and I need to get out of this internet cafe chair and go check it out!

As always, I'm here for a week (until Sept. 20), so if you're in or around AC and want to meet up, shoot me a PM.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

X Man

09-14-07, 15:10

Ekspat, glad to hear you have a life.

But, if you're going to brag like a high school boy, how old are you? And since Lance A, and Barry B get asked the question, are you using any performance enhancing drugs.

And if the answer is yes, can you tell me where I can get some of that stuff....

Just kidding, don't answer that question on the board. It was a rhetorical question Although some pharmacys bend the rules, it's a bit more risky for foreign owned bars. Just ask around.

Got a hotel review?

X Man

Yessss, 6 days in AC now and 14 cums so far.
With pleasant girls from Stinger, Pasha, Angels and Emotions.
Life can be great......... And another 2 days to go!

Less than 300 posts and with interesting life too.
Sincerely yours! :D

Cheers!

Ekspat

09-14-07, 16:24

But, if you're going to brag like a high school boy, how old are you? And since Lance A, and Barry B get asked the question, are you using any performance enhancing drugs.
Can answer, no problem, who cares?

Hehe, no, me not high school boy, those times are long gone, I'm 45y/o.

Anyway, I don't use Vitamin-C or Vitamin-V.
Little ekspat still works fine. SMB is my drug, otherwise I come too fast.

Once I bought those Cialis in AC in the street, 100ps for 4 pills.
Tried a little bit at one night, but don't know whether it worked or placebo effect.
I think it worked somehow because suddenly during breakfast next morning in Margerita station,
I sat there with a huge erection while having coffee, whats unusual.
:D

Cheers!

London Sex Party

09-14-07, 17:11

I'm new to AC..

What are the best clubs?

Here is my criteria:

1. Most inexpensive barfine girls, yet still beautiful.

2. The girls have a good attitude.

3. The girls will stay the entire night in your room (for the barfine) and not try to take off.

I would like to hear from the AC vets!

Thank you very much!

LSP

Hesekiels

09-14-07, 17:50

Yessss, 6 days in AC now and 14 cums so far.

Wow, Ekspat, your daily ratio is getting better and better! I am most impressed! Maybe also a result of your 'glatt kosher' food? :)

Cheers - Hesekiels

Girlfinder

09-15-07, 01:19

Which bars have a dance floor? QHBlue Nile, in 3rd floor. Difficult to find, just ask there. Also 200 meters down Fields avenue "normal" discos like SkyTrax and just beside there Class Room (or something similar).

By the way, the threesome Blue Nile, Nero and Bedrock swing these days. Just beside each other with open doors beween, quite good selection of girls, very few other guys if you go there before 9pm. Try 2nd floor Blue Nile and get a good overview of the girls dancing in 2nd floor. From here you enter a door to 3rd floor where you can dance as well.

Yes, as a comment to an previous question, some girls do not do white man - due to size. Many in Blue Nile. But I got one really nice there, was her first white. I post some pictures in photo section soon, hopefully within monday, maybe more than one dreamgirl - let's see.

Dont' forget, you know you are in heaven when you se angel(e)s.

Ekspat

09-15-07, 01:43

Yes, as a comment to an previous question, some girls do not do white man - due to size.
Yeah, but many other comments available also.

I don't do Asians because they demand strange things in bedroom.
I don't do Indians because they are smelly.
I don't do Blacks because of the size.
I don't do French because they're Cheap Charlies.
I do whites only.
I do Japanese only.
Etc etc.

If you're long enough around, you'll hear everything.

Just go on and enjoy..........

Cheers!

Ekspat

09-15-07, 01:53

Maybe also a result of your 'glatt kosher' food? :)

Most likely the 100% kosher food, but found also nice girls with good chemistry between us.
As you know I don't go for the often tourist-spoiled superstars with Nokia N95,
I prefer well performing talents out of the second row!
Better attitude. ;)

Cheers!

Girlfinder

09-15-07, 05:27

Yeah, but many other comments available also.
..If you're long enough around, you'll hear everything.

Just go on and enjoy..........Cheers!
Well, the mamasan told me they did not do white due to size.

Agree with you, just enjoy and have fun! There are so many nice girls here.
You know you are in heaven when you se angel(e)s.

Hesekiels

09-15-07, 12:54

... As you know I don't go for the often tourist-spoiled superstars with Nokia N95 ... I prefer well performing talents out of the second row!

Totally agreed! In fact the second row IS the first row, isn't it!? BTW, how many additional cums during the past 48 hrs - just curiousity?! :)

Cheers - Hesekiels

Josh Doe

09-15-07, 21:58

I am staying in AC - ABC to be exact. My mates all bailed out on me for this trip. Anyone want to start out the evening with a drink?

Soju Lizard

09-16-07, 01:30

I'm just curious but has the Blue Nile turned into a Korean hangout? If so, the mamasan may have been sugarcoating the real reason why the girls won't go with whites/blacks/etc and that is Koreans absolutely hate for the girls they play with to be with any other foreigners. If the Koreans have staked out their claim on the Blue Nile then it will be hard to pull girls out of there.

Most of the red light districts in Korea are off limits to foreigners and I'm not talking about the US Army's off limits policy. The Koreans won't service ANY foreigners in many of the fun places. Not sure if its because of xenophobia, fear of disease, low self esteem because they generally have much smaller dicks or a combination of all the above but once Koreans stake their claim they don't want anyone else playing with their ho's. I heard a story about one of the glass house rooms in the 588 district of Seoul once had to swap out all of their girls because word got out that a couple of Japanese businessmen banged a couple of the staff and the Koreans wouldn't go there until they changed out the girls.

The irony is that most other developed cultures realize the need to practice safe sex and do so accordingly with prostitutes but Koreans despise using condoms under any circumstances so a girl who is being passed around between Koreans is likely to be a lot more susceptible to diseases and therefore "unclean" than if she were with non-Koreans. They are definitely a strange, illogical and paranoid lot.

Well, the mamasan told me they did not do white due to size.

Aussiec

09-16-07, 03:04

Fast Eddie 48

09-16-07, 06:39

I'm just curious but has the Blue Nile turned into a Korean hangout? If so, the mamasan may have been sugarcoating the real reason why the girls won't go with whites/blacks/etc and that is Koreans absolutely hate for the girls they play with to be with any other foreigners. If the Koreans have staked out their claim on the Blue Nile then it will be hard to pull girls out of there.

Most of the red light districts in Korea are off limits to foreigners and I'm not talking about the US Army's off limits policy. The Koreans won't service ANY foreigners in many of the fun places. Not sure if its because of xenophobia, fear of disease, low self esteem because they generally have much smaller dicks or a combination of all the above but once Koreans stake their claim they don't want anyone else playing with their ho's. I heard a story about one of the glass house rooms in the 588 district of Seoul once had to swap out all of their girls because word got out that a couple of Japanese businessmen banged a couple of the staff and the Koreans wouldn't go there until they changed out the girls.

The irony is that most other developed cultures realize the need to practice safe sex and do so accordingly with prostitutes but Koreans despise using condoms under any circumstances so a girl who is being passed around between Koreans is likely to be a lot more susceptible to diseases and therefore "unclean" than if she were with non-Koreans. They are definitely a strange, illogical and paranoid lot.To Soju,

I think the whole angeles city is become a korean mongering paradise , cheap flight from korea to clark with strong enconomy in korea and the crack down in seoul brothol many korean is going to PI and other part of asia for cheap fun .

Fast eddie 48

Coremine

09-16-07, 09:43

AC coming up.

5 days and counting.

Saw this bit of a report back in May - Does anyone know the bar that this guy is talking about ?

'Got a BBBJ in the back of one of the older clubs (closer to Main Gate, has panty less Sundays) a club for 10 bucks which was pretty cool just in novelty factor alone'.

The Pantyless Sundays sounds great! Are there other bars that do this?
Does anyone know of any pool parties on next weekend - Saturday 22nd ?

What Perimeter bars are good to hang out in the afternoons where BBBJ's can be had? The idea of having samples is fun too?

Thanx in advance,

Core

London Sex Party

09-16-07, 11:00

Souja Lizard brings up a very interesting point on the Blue Nile. I have been in most clubs in Angeles and it just seems odd that "yes" alot of the girls are reluctant to go whith the caucasian guys. (can not speak for other races) but it seems they stay to the Koreans. Now let me add this interesting note. I have a several friends that work at Lolipop and Treasure Island and they too have said that the girls at Blue Nile seem to be stuck on themselves. Never really got into why they say that but just interesting note to add. It would be interesting to read others who have noted this.I have th answer to this question guys! I lived in S. Korea for 2 years!

There are many red light districts in Korea.. None of the girls are allowed to cater to foreigners! (With the exception of Itaewon) Which is where the foreigners live.. If she dose sleep with a foreigner she will be ostrisized and none of the Korean men will do business with her again!

Apparently they are exporting these methods to Angeles City!

Which is pathetic, because it is a city built by America trade!

I guareente you behind the b.s. the girls are telling you.. They are being told by Korean businessmen.. (service a foreigner and lose all Korean business)

I know how they work! Everything is behind the back! And they will smile to your face!

Really you guys should not tolerate it! The Philippines is a country liberated by Americans! Don't let them import their prejudice heavy handed trade practices to AC!

HenryV

09-16-07, 16:28

I find this interesting because a number of PI girls I have known (biblically) have told me they do not like Koreans - they find them, as a general matter, obnoxious and "unclean."

Will be in the PI in a few months, interested in viewing this first hand.

I'm just curious but has the Blue Nile turned into a Korean hangout? If so, the mamasan may have been sugarcoating the real reason why the girls won't go with whites/blacks/etc and that is Koreans absolutely hate for the girls they play with to be with any other foreigners. If the Koreans have staked out their claim on the Blue Nile then it will be hard to pull girls out of there.

Most of the red light districts in Korea are off limits to foreigners and I'm not talking about the US Army's off limits policy. The Koreans won't service ANY foreigners in many of the fun places. Not sure if its because of xenophobia, fear of disease, low self esteem because they generally have much smaller dicks or a combination of all the above but once Koreans stake their claim they don't want anyone else playing with their ho's. I heard a story about one of the glass house rooms in the 588 district of Seoul once had to swap out all of their girls because word got out that a couple of Japanese businessmen banged a couple of the staff and the Koreans wouldn't go there until they changed out the girls.

The irony is that most other developed cultures realize the need to practice safe sex and do so accordingly with prostitutes but Koreans despise using condoms under any circumstances so a girl who is being passed around between Koreans is likely to be a lot more susceptible to diseases and therefore "unclean" than if she were with non-Koreans. They are definitely a strange, illogical and paranoid lot.

Hesekiels

09-16-07, 18:28

... they find them (Koreans), as a general matter, obnoxious and "unclean" ...I cannot judge if Koreans are 'obnoxious' and 'unclean' (well, actually I would rather doubt it), but it is hard to believe that this really matters! As long as the tip is generous (and the dick is not all too large :) ) everybody is welcomed. It's their job and money talks! Or am I wrong, gentlemen?

Cheers,

Hesekiels

Aussiec

09-16-07, 20:46

Hmmm. Well I am making my time every 3 month trip this November. Will have to go to Blue Nile and try again. Further report will be warented. So we will have to do some experimenting. Gee why do I get to be the guinea pig in all this (ha ha) Ok. Ok. I see I am being forced to walk over to the Blue Nile and try and bf some cute pinoy. Why do you all put the responsibility all on me (ha ha). Well let me know how you others do before November 6.

North Neighbour

09-17-07, 00:31

Hi all,

I'm a young guy making my first trip to Angeles this weekend. I'll be staying at the Swiss Chalet. If anyone wants to go for a drink and show me around, just post here and we can work out a meeting time/place.

Looking forward to meeting some of you!

NN

Josh Doe

09-17-07, 03:03

Ok, my body clock is still all messed up. Can't seem to stay awake during peak hours so have been going out either early morning (like 4am) or late afternoon (say 4pm).

Went to Dollhouse yesterday, having fun, bought about 7 girls 2 LD each. We are all joking, having fun, they are all flirting with me, trying to get me to BF them. I thought I clicked with one. She called herself my "lawyer and kept the rest of them in line. She was not the prettiest or the best body but I liked her attitude so I BF her. She seems really excited in the club, playing the part. Great! We leave, go next store to Kokomo's for a bite. As soon as we order food, she starts texting friends. No problem. However, when she keeps texting rather than talking with me, I tell her joking, "I think I am getting jealous of whoever that is on the other end of that text! " That's when she tells me it's another boyfriend she had earlier this week! WTF! I ignore this.

When we get back to the room, again, she is totally into the text and not what's going on in the room. I tell her politely that this isn't going to work and give her 7 pesos for the Jeepne. I went back to DH and got my barfine back. There were 6 other girls for me to pick from. If she wasn't into me, I wish she would have steered towards one of the others who were!

Fast Eddie 48

09-17-07, 03:37

I cannot judge if Koreans are 'obnoxious' and 'unclean' (well, actually I would rather doubt it), but it is hard to believe that this really matters! As long as the tip is generous (and the dick is not all too large :) ) everybody is welcomed. It's their job and money talks! Or am I wrong, gentlemen?

Cheers - HesekielsTo Hesekiels,

I was told by girl in Manila and other part of asia they don't like korean because they are rude and they act crazy when they are drunk , they prefer japanese and farang better tipper and are gentleman.

Fast eddie 48

X Man

09-17-07, 05:29

I've never met an unclean Korean, although their love of kimchee (fermented cabbage and spices inlcuding garlic) may give them a bit of an odor.

Obnoxious, hmmm. They do seem to be loud and sometimes aggressive. I guess that's what happens to the national character when too many wars are waged....Korea has the geographic misfortune of being situated in the middle of three large and sometimes militaristic countries.

X Man

I cannot judge if Koreans are 'obnoxious' and 'unclean' (well, actually I would rather doubt it), but it is hard to believe that this really matters! As long as the tip is generous (and the dick is not all too large :) ) everybody is welcomed. It's their job and money talks! Or am I wrong, gentlemen?

Cheers - Hesekiels

Coremine

09-17-07, 10:19

"I'm a young guy making my first trip to Angeles this weekend. I'll be staying at the Swiss Chalet. If anyone wants to go for a drink and show me around, just post here and we can work out a meeting time/place.

Looking forward to meeting some of you!

NN"

I too will be making a debu this weekend. So North Neighbour why not link up. Just ask for the coconut man at the Pacific Breeze Hotel and they will organise communication. And/or leave your North Neighbour nickname where you are.

I want to go for a 45 minute flight ovet the volcano on Sunday 22. They can take 4 people for $120. So if anyone wants to go for this trip please contact as above.

I live here in Korea. Not in Seoul. Which seems to be a good place to live. Next year. But, yes it is not much fun to live here. Insecure. Aggressive people. And the guys always check out my wang in the bath houses. So yeah these guys aren't blessed with tower-like poles.

I don't monger here.

AC on Friday night.. Can't seem to find voodoo on the AC map.

Core

London Sex Party

09-17-07, 13:13

Hesekiels

09-17-07, 18:34

... bought about 7 girls 2 LD each ...

JD:

Wow, not bad! One thing is crystal clear, you are definitely no Cheap Charlie, brother! :)

Cheers - Hesekiels

North Neighbour

09-18-07, 02:54

LSP and Coremine,

Slight change in plans. I'll be staying at the Central Park Hotel, which is sandwiched between Orchid and the Swiss Chalet. I'll be arriving Friday evening - estimate maybe between 8:00-9:00pm. Will you guys be out mongering already at that time or will it still be good to meet up at one of our hotels?

I will instruct the staff to contact me if anyone asks for Mr. Canada. :)
(Why not? It's no worse than the coconut man...)

Let me know what you guys want to do!

Also - does anyone know a good barber in Angeles?

Cheers,

NN

Rob Woodrow

09-18-07, 03:31

Ekspat

09-18-07, 04:59

Can't seem to find voodoo on the AC map.
Core
Voodoo bar is inside Kokomo's.
On the left side.

Usually I dont have problems barfining a gal.
Okay, next time will try to bf a girl from Blue Nile.
Will report then.

Cheers!

Key Master

09-18-07, 06:50