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Fast Eddie 48
12-29-11, 04:26
Kokomos. Is the food getting worse?

The mango shake was white and didn't taste like mango. The Philly cheesesteak had a most unpleasant semi-hard white cheese semi-attached to the top, and the bottom one-third of the bread was soaked thru with grease. Yum.To Xman,

I am sure you didn't go to AC for the fine cusine PI have worst food in the whole Asia other than Cambodia, the fast food place like KFC is the only place Iike, if you want good food go to Singapore or Hong kong.

Fast Eddie 48

Hesekiels
12-29-11, 06:11
I just spent 4 days in Angeles (24-27).

I found that many girls left for the Christmas holidays.Yes, that's true, but there are, however, still plenty of cuties around! Yesterday night I barfined a lovely girl from Dollhouse and, wow, she was worth every single peso! Excellent behavior (e. G. Cellphone switched off!) , good manners and two great performances at 2am and 7am. @Expat: Truly qualified for a 500 peso tip! .

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Hesekiels
12-29-11, 06:22
. wondering whether it's even possible to make this food still worse.. And I am rather wondering when then local authorities are going to close this place due to brackish meals. LOL. ! I think that will happen sooner or later!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Philosophery
12-29-11, 08:10
I stopped eating there years ago. Eat at the semi-new Phillies bar. Good cheesesteaks (it is called Philliesbar). Nice hot wings. Cold beer. A little bit higher cost than Kokomos but at least you won't be disgusted by the food!


Kokomos. Is the food getting worse?

The mango shake was white and didn't taste like mango. The Philly cheesesteak had a most unpleasant semi-hard white cheese semi-attached to the top, and the bottom one-third of the bread was soaked thru with grease. Yum.

Docwiltro
12-30-11, 10:50
This year's trip was so-so mainly because I came down with some sort of virus, and it affected me the entire time. So, even though I didn't go out every night because of that, I did have a pretty good time considering. I'll list a brief rundown of the best of the bars and girls of A. C. (plus photos) that I encountered.

I always seem to find a nice girl in Typhoon, and this year was no exception. Her name was Marie: from Samar, very sweet, no drama, and stayed the night without requesting her to do so. I took her out a couple of nights which is about the limit for me.

The perimeter bar Afterschool, next to L. I. A, is very much underrated, probably because it is a Korean bar, but the girls there are very cute, and so was Floramie who I took out a couple of times as well. She was very sensual and is really girlfriend material. I also met her friend (cannot remember her name) who Floramie requests when a guy wants a threesome.

I went into Vahalla for the first time and found a doll named Janet who works the late shift. She was another sweet girl that I probably should have gone back to see, but two or three times is my limit.

I found a real firecracker in Eager Beavers name Angie. She was 27 or 28, had a very slim and petite body, and liked sex all night long: she wouldn't leave me alone. I took her twice also.

I visited a new bar name Devilwitch (next to Voodoo, I think) and found a real honey named Erlyn. I definitely would have seen her again, but on the first night, she started her mens, and that was it. She left early because of it, but because she was so good, I still gave her a premium tip of p1, 000. I know that is too much for short time, but this girl was good; I'm still thinking about her.

I had such a great time at Devilwitch, I went over to Angelwitch where there many lookers. I took a girl named Josephine: nice girl, but kind of a dud in the sack. She had a real sad personal story which prompted me to give her a p500 tip that she didn't deserve because she really had no idea how to fuck: very frustrating.

Anyway, that was the gist of it for November of 2011 in A. C. If I wouldn't have gotten sick, no doubt the trip would have been better, but at least I didn't get caught up in a raid or get arrested because of a vindictive bargirl: I'm a glass half full kind of guy. Peace.

Robbaf
12-30-11, 22:33
Near skytrax on the corner street there we got persuaded by a sexy Santas helper to visit a bar called Butterfly Rock. CHECK IT OUT. It's a good rock bar, Dutch by the looks of it with all Dutch football flags hanging on top of it. Few good lookers that were happy to be spanked before getting the spankers from the girls and spanking everyone on the stage.From Harry the Horse website:

Following is a message sent to me by his partner and best friend Corne. I pray that this case is solved quickly. This time we have people willing to pay necessary expenses to keep investigation going in the right direction and there is a lot of local expat interest in this one. The reward for key information is substantial so lets see what happens:

'Hi Harry, It is me Corne, The partner of Hans. I was so busy last few days with police and arranging things, also Hans his brother happens to be also here. So I was not really able to talk to you yet a lot. Anyways, I want to give you a little more details and maybe you could post this information on your site.

The murderers also took Hans his car and fled the site with expensive belongings. Maybe the killers try to sell some of that stuff and maybe they offer such things to foreigners and maybe someone hears about a guy selling expensive things, You never know.

His car is a Ford Escape, color gold. (License plate I will get from Major Tan tonight.) Will send you later. They also stole Hans his big camera. He has 2 of them and they are both Canon I believe. Also they took 2 golden lighters and 2 golden Rolex (Leather strap) and a few cellphones. In his car he has always a lot of power tools. They are new like drills saw and stuff like that. They also took the vault, maybe some guy starts changing a lot of Euros (because those were in the vault. Most probably they took more things but I was not able to look into that yet.

I also want to inform you that me and his brother will offer a reward of 1 million pesos for the one who could bring us the Golden tip to arrest these motherf*ers. I am in contact with Major Tan daily and will keep you informed. Hans is not only my Partner he is also my best friend. I am willing to do what ever it takes to get these Crazy low lifes! Thanks for any help you can extend. Sincerely, Corne'

http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=4633

Robbaf
12-30-11, 22:37
I visited a new bar name Devilwitch (next to Voodoo, I think)Good report, thanks for posting.

FYI, Devil Witch is the old King of Diamonds. They did a great job refurnishing the bar, better then the new Voodoo and it is next door to Devil Witch.

Robb

Socker
12-31-11, 05:08
This year's trip was so-so mainly because I came down with some sort of virus, and it affected me the entire time. So, even though I didn't go out every night because of that, I did have a pretty good time considering. I'll list a brief rundown of the best of the bars and girls of A. C. (plus photos) that I encountered.

I always seem to find a nice girl in Typhoon, and this year was no exception. Her name was Marie: from Samar, very sweet, no drama, and stayed the night without requesting her to do so. I took her out a couple of nights which is about the limit for me.

The perimeter bar Afterschool, next to L. I. A, is very much underrated, probably because it is a Korean bar, but the girls there are very cute, and so was Floramie who I took out a couple of times as well. She was very sensual and is really girlfriend material. I also met her friend (cannot remember her name) who Floramie requests when a guy wants a threesome.

I went into Vahalla for the first time and found a doll named Janet who works the late shift. She was another sweet girl that I probably should have gone back to see, but two or three times is my limit.

I found a real firecracker in Eager Beavers name Angie. She was 27 or 28, had a very slim and petite body, and liked sex all night long: she wouldn't leave me alone. I took her twice also.

I visited a new bar name Devilwitch (next to Voodoo, I think) and found a real honey named Erlyn. I definitely would have seen her again, but on the first night, she started her mens, and that was it. She left early because of it, but because she was so good, I still gave her a premium tip of p1, 000. I know that is too much for short time, but this girl was good; I'm still thinking about her.

I had such a great time at Devilwitch, I went over to Angelwitch where there many lookers. I took a girl named Josephine: nice girl, but kind of a dud in the sack. She had a real sad personal story which prompted me to give her a p500 tip that she didn't deserve because she really had no idea how to fuck: very frustrating.

Anyway, that was the gist of it for November of 2011 in A. C. If I wouldn't have gotten sick, no doubt the trip would have been better, but at least I didn't get caught up in a raid or get arrested because of a vindictive bargirl: I'm a glass half full kind of guy. Peace.Sorry to hear about your virus but you difintely know how to choose some nice looking ladies. Thanks for the pics. The 2 Afterschoolers look really delicious, nice work.

I also stayed at SG during Nov 6 thru 8 and 16th thru the 23rd. Late in my stay I had a decent time at Candy Bar. That's about it, cheers and thanks again.

Poopbunny
12-31-11, 09:23
Great review. Best photo journal I've seen in a long time.


I'll list a brief rundown of the best of the bars and girls of A. C. (plus photos) that I encountered.

Fastpiston
12-31-11, 12:45
This year's trip was so-so mainly because I came down with some sort of virus, and it affected me the entire time. So, even though I didn't go out every night because of that, I did have a pretty good time considering. I'll list a brief rundown of the best of the bars and girls of A. C. (plus photos) that I encountered.

I always seem to find a nice girl in Typhoon, and this year was no exception. Her name was Marie: from Samar, very sweet, no drama, and stayed the night without requesting her to do so. I took her out a couple of nights which is about the limit for me.

The perimeter bar Afterschool, next to L. I. A, is very much underrated, probably because it is a Korean bar, but the girls there are very cute, and so was Floramie who I took out a couple of times as well. She was very sensual and is really girlfriend material. I also met her friend (cannot remember her name) who Floramie requests when a guy wants a threesome.

I went into Vahalla for the first time and found a doll named Janet who works the late shift. She was another sweet girl that I probably should have gone back to see, but two or three times is my limit.

I found a real firecracker in Eager Beavers name Angie. She was 27 or 28, had a very slim and petite body, and liked sex all night long: she wouldn't leave me alone. I took her twice also.

I visited a new bar name Devilwitch (next to Voodoo, I think) and found a real honey named Erlyn. I definitely would have seen her again, but on the first night, she started her mens, and that was it. She left early because of it, but because she was so good, I still gave her a premium tip of p1, 000. I know that is too much for short time, but this girl was good; I'm still thinking about her.

I had such a great time at Devilwitch, I went over to Angelwitch where there many lookers. I took a girl named Josephine: nice girl, but kind of a dud in the sack. She had a real sad personal story which prompted me to give her a p500 tip that she didn't deserve because she really had no idea how to fuck: very frustrating.

Anyway, that was the gist of it for November of 2011 in A. C. If I wouldn't have gotten sick, no doubt the trip would have been better, but at least I didn't get caught up in a raid or get arrested because of a vindictive bargirl: I'm a glass half full kind of guy. Peace.Please remember that if you over tip you generate a habit and expectation with all girls. Do you really want girls to get 'attitude' and sulky if they do not get what the heavy tippers give? The trike drivers in AC are a case in point. They have grown with the expectation. Then it becomes a demand.

Amjeck
12-31-11, 17:17
Please remember that if you over tip you generate a habit and expectation with all girls. Do you really want girls to get 'attitude' and sulky if they do not get what the heavy tippers give? The trike drivers in AC are a case in point. They have grown with the expectation. Then it becomes a demand.I think the damage has already been done in AC. The cheap charlies are a dying breed in AC these days.

WestCoast1
12-31-11, 18:17
Please remember that if you over tip you generate a habit and expectation with all girls. Do you really want girls to get 'attitude' and sulky if they do not get what the heavy tippers give? The trike drivers in AC are a case in point. They have grown with the expectation. Then it becomes a demand.FP, I agree. However, you can't stop tipping. Like many Filipino cultural oddities we discuss here ("up to you", saving face, scamming) , tipping is a westernized cultural oddity that seems burned into many of us. Some people feel the need to give to service providers (waitress, mechanic, paper boy, girlfriend). While its a foreign concept to many asians, for many westerners it seems burned into the psyche. You just can't stop it. The gents will tip whatever they tip. I was about to write, just now, that its really none of your (or my) business what another gent tips (it feels that way) , but really it is, because as you say it drives up expectations and costs for the rest of us.

A related story of over-tipping. A while back in AC, I took two Santos girls. After the session we went out for a drink. While watching the dancing show, the girls shared that one of them had only been in the bar for two weeks, and I was only her second customer (she is very pretty, and previously posted in PG, looks like and voice sounds a bit like actress Fran Drescher). Her first customer was a very large, fat american, who walked into Honky Tonk one evening with 4 other girls in tow. He was looking for a fifth girl for the night. He chose the pretty one when he found out she was brand new. The fat guy took all 5 girls out for drinks at Atlantis, then to eat at Kok's, then out drinking and dancing at various bars. She said the girls danced with each other as he was too fat to dance ("So fat hard to breathing. Hard for him to walk from one bar to other bar next door.") After several bars, he told 4 of the girls to go home, and gave them each. Get this. P5, 000 tip. They were thrilled and went back to their bars, as it was early. He kept the other girl and took her to his room. The next night, he came walking into her bar again to get her. With the same other 4 girls in tow. Same routine followed, out for drinks and dinner and dancing, then he kept a different girl to sleep with, and turned the rest loose with a p5, 000 tip.

The next evening, there he was again, walking into Honky Tonk with the same 4 girls, picking her up again. Same routine again. This time he kept our pretty one, turning the rest loose with p5000. In chat with the other girls, the two girls whom the fat man had kept previously said there was no sex, he just slept. They also shared he gave them p10, 000. Our pretty was still scared of him she told me: "So fat. So smell. What if he roll on me in the bed? Big fattest man ever we seen." True to form, he just got in bed and went to sleep. Next day he gave her p10, 000 and sent her on her way. This routine would happen for the next two nights. Each night he got the same 5 girls for drinking / partying, gave 4 of them p5k each for tip and turned them loose, kept one for sleeping at p10k tip, no sex. After the fifth night she didn't see him again. A rough guess at the scenario might work like these:

1) he was barfining for sex in the afternoons, or.

2) older and very overweight, any number of maladies come to mind (diabetes) that prevent actual sexual activity.

It was a week before she got another customer (me). As the twin-pack was telling me this, laughing about it, the other girl, who was in the bar for much longer, said to me something about that kind of thing rarely happens. She said something akin to: "What am I, chopped liver? Why don't I get that kind of tip!" Later, when Fran Drescher went to the CR while we were in Crystal Palace, the other girl told me that Fran, hitting it big her first time, was thinking all of her customers would tip her large. The other girls in the bar warned her that this was "one-time only, but she not believe." By chance, and it being much later at night when I took them, the mamasan at the bar where I got the girls (not HonkyTonk) said I could have the girls longer than the normal 4 hours, so we stayed out late drinking, then had breakfast, then had to go back to the hotel because one of the girls forgot some makeup in the CR. While Fran was in the CR grabbing her makeup, I handed the other girl two p50 notes for tip, one for her and one for Fran (my standard tip to bargirls. For tryke / jeep only, normally if I walk them back to the bar I don't tip). Then we walked back to Santos and I dropped them with mama. Fran pulled up close and said in my ear,"Tip?" I thought this was in stunningly bad form, for several reasons:

1. AC bargirls aren't supposed to ask for tips (they rarely do, and two mamasans I sleep with tell me bar rules prevent it, and I'd bet her mama told her the same thing).

2. I had taken them for drinks and food at several places.

This nearly soured what had been a perfect twin-pack date to that point. I told her I had already given it to the other girl to split. She looked around immediately for the other girl (who had walked into the back to change clothes) , and not seeing her she whipped her head back around and glared at me. What was she gonna do? Cause a scene? The mama was 10 feet away. I walked off back to my hotel. Wonder what she felt when she found out later that it was p50? Tipping (any, even my cheap p50, or the fat guy's p5k) becomes FP's business because it really does create an expectation (joy and resentment on her part; anxiety on our part later) in a culture where tipping is normally very small or non-existant. It is just one example of us (westerners) , pushing our values on them, and creating a problem (mostly for the rest of us). If you offer the girl p300 tip, and she got 1000 from her last customer, she's likely to become argumentative, telling you she is used to more (or, she might have heard of larger tips from other bargirls. Perception becomes reality, just like the stock market). Once she's arguing for more money, you get anxiety. The expectation has been created (by me, at p50, by the fat guy at p5000 / no sex, and by anyone who tips anything). You will do one of two things: 1) get mad, hand her 300, and boot her; or 2) get mad, increase to 500 or so, and boot her. Either way, the guy who gave her 1000 previously (or whatever she hears from her friends. One of whom got FIVE THOUSAND AND FOOD AND NO SEX!) will create anxiety for those who come after us.

Personally, I'd argue that we all stop tipping completely. But even if all us ISG's did that, there are so many other guys who go their who will keep tipping (its engrained). Others have argued that we should tip large: the best babes will go to the highest bidder (tipper). I can see both arguments. Like teetotalers who try to stop people from drinking booze, tipping is something that can't be stopped.

ThatGuy865
12-31-11, 21:08
FP, I agree. However, you can't stop tipping. While its a foreign concept to many asians, for many westerners it seems burned into the psyche. You just can't stop it. The gents will tip whatever they tip. I was about to write, just now, that its really none of your (or my) business what another gent tips (it feels that way) , but really it is, because as you say it drives up expectations and costs for the rest of us.

I handed the other girl two p50 notes for tip, one for her and one for Fran (my standard tip to bargirls. For tryke / jeep only, normally if I walk them back to the bar I don't tip). Then we walked back to Santos and I dropped them with mama. Fran pulled up close and said in my ear,"Tip?" I thought this was in stunningly bad form, for several reasons:

1. AC bargirls aren't supposed to ask for tips (they rarely do, and two mamasans I sleep with tell me bar rules prevent it, and I'd bet her mama told her the same thing).

2. I had taken them for drinks and food at several places.I guess you are right. Because I think what you did leaving 50p for a Tip was cheap and border line insulting. 50p is what you leave a waitress or a bar tender for a tip. Not someone who has engaged in a service which gives a person so much pleasure they fly from another country to seek out.

It's a service you fly to another country to get. But it only deserves 50p tip? Eeek! .

Forget the custom of the place. They are not the ones flying to seek the pleasure. You are. And the way a person from a western upbringing shows his appreciation for services is with a tip. That's his custom.

I used to be of the same mindset as you until I realized. How much difference. So little. Can mean to one of them. And how little it really amounted to me.

Now I tip outrageous by your standards. I'll give a waitress 25p to 100p. A girl never leaves my room with less than 500p no more than 1500. 200p minimum for short time to 500p

And this has nothing to do with whether we have meals, barhop, see a movie. The money is the tip for my appreciation. Period.

Maybe some guys feel the girls deserve appreciation and money is their best way of showing it.

But as you stated in the beginning both views think they are right so. Nothing will ever change. There will always be those who think others tip too much. And vice versa.

TG. Happy New!

Jbiz979
12-31-11, 22:12
FP, I agree. However, you can't stop tipping. Like many Filipino cultural oddities we discuss here ("up to you", saving face, scamming) , tipping is a westernized cultural oddity that seems burned into many of us. Some people feel the need to give to service providers (waitress, mechanic, paper boy, girlfriend). While its a foreign concept to many asians, for many westerners it seems burned into the psyche. You just can't stop it. The gents will tip whatever they tip. I was about to write, just now, that its really none of your (or my) business what another gent tips (it feels that way) , but really it is, because as you say it drives up expectations and costs for the rest of us.

A related story of over-tipping. A while back in AC, I took two Santos girls. After the session we went out for a drink. While watching the dancing show, the girls shared that one of them had only been in the bar for two weeks, and I was only her second customer (she is very pretty, and previously posted in PG, looks like and voice sounds a bit like actress Fran Drescher). Her first customer was a very large, fat american, who walked into Honky Tonk one evening with 4 other girls in tow. He was looking for a fifth girl for the night. He chose the pretty one when he found out she was brand new. The fat guy took all 5 girls out for drinks at Atlantis, then to eat at Kok's, then out drinking and dancing at various bars. She said the girls danced with each other as he was too fat to dance ("So fat hard to breathing. Hard for him to walk from one bar to other bar next door.") After several bars, he told 4 of the girls to go home, and gave them each. Get this. P5, 000 tip. They were thrilled and went back to their bars, as it was early. He kept the other girl and took her to his room. The next night, he came walking into her bar again to get her. With the same other 4 girls in tow. Same routine followed, out for drinks and dinner and dancing, then he kept a different girl to sleep with, and turned the rest loose with a p5, 000 tip.

The next evening, there he was again, walking into Honky Tonk with the same 4 girls, picking her up again. Same routine again. This time he kept our pretty one, turning the rest loose with p5000. In chat with the other girls, the two girls whom the fat man had kept previously said there was no sex, he just slept. They also shared he gave them p10, 000. Our pretty was still scared of him she told me: "So fat. So smell. What if he roll on me in the bed? Big fattest man ever we seen." True to form, he just got in bed and went to sleep. Next day he gave her p10, 000 and sent her on her way. This routine would happen for the next two nights. Each night he got the same 5 girls for drinking / partying, gave 4 of them p5k each for tip and turned them loose, kept one for sleeping at p10k tip, no sex. After the fifth night she didn't see him again. A rough guess at the scenario might work like these:

1) he was barfining for sex in the afternoons, or.

2) older and very overweight, any number of maladies come to mind (diabetes) that prevent actual sexual activity.

It was a week before she got another customer (me). As the twin-pack was telling me this, laughing about it, the other girl, who was in the bar for much longer, said to me something about that kind of thing rarely happens. She said something akin to: "What am I, chopped liver? Why don't I get that kind of tip!" Later, when Fran Drescher went to the CR while we were in Crystal Palace, the other girl told me that Fran, hitting it big her first time, was thinking all of her customers would tip her large. The other girls in the bar warned her that this was "one-time only, but she not believe." By chance, and it being much later at night when I took them, the mamasan at the bar where I got the girls (not HonkyTonk) said I could have the girls longer than the normal 4 hours, so we stayed out late drinking, then had breakfast, then had to go back to the hotel because one of the girls forgot some makeup in the CR. While Fran was in the CR grabbing her makeup, I handed the other girl two p50 notes for tip, one for her and one for Fran (my standard tip to bargirls. For tryke / jeep only, normally if I walk them back to the bar I don't tip). Then we walked back to Santos and I dropped them with mama. Fran pulled up close and said in my ear,"Tip?" I thought this was in stunningly bad form, for several reasons:

1. AC bargirls aren't supposed to ask for tips (they rarely do, and two mamasans I sleep with tell me bar rules prevent it, and I'd bet her mama told her the same thing).

2. I had taken them for drinks and food at several places.

This nearly soured what had been a perfect twin-pack date to that point. I told her I had already given it to the other girl to split. She looked around immediately for the other girl (who had walked into the back to change clothes) , and not seeing her she whipped her head back around and glared at me. What was she going to do? Cause a scene? The mama was 10 feet away. I walked off back to my hotel. Wonder what she felt when she found out later that it was p50? Tipping (any, even my cheap p50, or the fat guy's p5k) becomes FP's business because it really does create an expectation (joy and resentment on her part; anxiety on our part later) in a culture where tipping is normally very small or non-existant. It is just one example of us (westerners) , pushing our values on them, and creating a problem (mostly for the rest of us). If you offer the girl p300 tip, and she got 1000 from her last customer, she's likely to become argumentative, telling you she is used to more (or, she might have heard of larger tips from other bargirls. Perception becomes reality, just like the stock market). Once she's arguing for more money, you get anxiety. The expectation has been created (by me, at p50, by the fat guy at p5000 / no sex, and by anyone who tips anything). You will do one of two things: 1) get mad, hand her 300, and boot her; or 2) get mad, increase to 500 or so, and boot her. Either way, the guy who gave her 1000 previously (or whatever she hears from her friends. One of whom got FIVE THOUSAND AND FOOD AND NO SEX!) will create anxiety for those who come after us.

Personally, I'd argue that we all stop tipping completely. But even if all us ISG's did that, there are so many other guys who go their who will keep tipping (its engrained). Others have argued that we should tip large: the best babes will go to the highest bidder (tipper). I can see both arguments. Like teetotalers who try to stop people from drinking booze, tipping is something that can't be stopped.I think the off set to this is the constant influx of girls to Angeles from all over the Philippines, certainly that top of experience is far in between even for the most attractive girls. I wouldn't worry too much about tipping as I would with the overall attitude of the girls in question its always a good rule to get things up front, so their are no high expectations. Now this is a little hypocritcal when mongers like myself use lots of sweet words and false promises to get in those panties but from a mongers perspective knowing what your getting into before you pull the trigger is a good start, price, tip all I would suggest be discussed up front.

Mr Enternational
12-31-11, 23:01
The cheap charlies are a dying breed in AC these days.Wrong. I am here to stay! No lady drinks, 1,000, 5,000, or for that matter I have never even given a 50 peso tip as WC routinely does (and I fuck like a madman). No problems or disappointed ladies in AC to date.

WestCoast1
01-01-12, 03:29
Wrong. I am here to stay! No lady drinks, 1,000, 5,000, or for that matter I have never even given a 50 peso tip as WC routinely does (and I fuck like a madman). No problems or disappointed ladies in AC to date.ME: Along the same line, for as cheap as I am with tips, the girls continue to line up for repeats in AC. Not just barfine repeats, but they often want to come over and spend the night after their shift ends. Some want only a meal (I always buy breakfast) , some are fine with 500. I'm sure the extra tip money is important to the girl, but its money only: There must be something that keeps them coming over (sometimes bringing a friend).

If you give a girl a p1000 tip in the morning for good service, chances are you won't see her again, and even if you do she'll expect it again. If you give her nothing, chances are you'll never see her again? Tell me again, what's the upside of the tip?

Amjeck
01-01-12, 05:42
Wrong. I am here to stay! No lady drinks, 1,000, 5,000, or for that matter I have never even given a 50 peso tip as WC routinely does (and I fuck like a madman). No problems or disappointed ladies in AC to date.Well, I'm glad to hear I'm not alone. Cheap charlies are the pioneers of 3rd world mongering!

Apeman 28
01-01-12, 09:21
Spoke to a couple of birds last night and one bird told me that bar fine was 3000 (dlbe the norm) can't remember bar name but it was one of them opposite Kokomos and the other chick said they had to stay in bar all night? WTF. Anyhow good reason to drink [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and recharge custard supply for tonight. The fireworks in the main street were the same crazy stuff of the pass, not sure who were the maddest the locals or the pissed foreingers. Some people are lucky they did not end up in hospital.

Jbiz979
01-01-12, 19:50
Wrong. I am here to stay! No lady drinks, 1,000, 5,000, or for that matter I have never even given a 50 peso tip as WC routinely does (and I fuck like a madman). No problems or disappointed ladies in AC to date.I really don't get what the big deal is with tipping, maybe its just an American thing if I get a good meal and descent service I leave a 15% tip and whats 50 pesos a little over a dollar thats certainly isn't a flamboyant tip by any means. I tip that's just what I do because in my opinion its the appropriate thing to do. Now Mr. Pink from reservoir dogs with disagree, my attitude is if a waitress can get a 7 to 15 bucks for bringing you food why not give a chick a few bucks for a good sex session. I'm not getting the controversy, I understand that some of the older retired guys are on budgets but come on, who can't spare a few bucks?

Jbiz979
01-01-12, 19:58
Well, I'm glad to hear I'm not alone. Cheap charlies are the pioneers of 3rd world mongering!It's already cheap whats 1500 pesos, you should come to California and try a blond for 1 grand then we can talk turkey. I haven't done it in years but a buddy and I would do Vegas ever so often and this guy was rolling in dough (money) and would bring these gorgeous women back to our hotels and for about an hour of their time he was spending 1200 bucks a pop, this guy would spend 6 grand for a week of a woman's time and that was a discount! Granted we had fun these girls were gorgeous well endowed and knew how to please but you certainly didn't get the GFE you get in the phils for a fraction of the price.

Stroker Ace88
01-01-12, 21:15
I really don't get what the big deal is with tipping, maybe its just an American thing. I'm not getting the controversy, I understand that some of the older retired guys are on budgets but come on, who can't spare a few bucks?
It's already cheap whats 1500 pesos, you should come to California and try a blond for 1 grand then we can talk turkey. I haven't done it in years but a buddy and I would do Vegas ever so often and this guy was rolling in dough (money) and would bring these gorgeous women back to our hotels and for about an hour of their time he was spending 1200 bucks a pop, this guy would spend 6 grand for a week of a woman's time and that was a discount! Granted we had fun these girls were gorgeous well endowed and knew how to please but you certainly didn't get the GFE you get in the phils for a fraction of the price.First you are comparing apples to oranges. American prices, Really? Compare AC-Manila or AC-Cebu or maybe even AC-SEA then you have an equal comparison. What someone pays in Vegas or California has no direct bearing on tipping in AC unless you are willing to move AC to Vegas.

Secondly It's guys who visit AC for a week every year or guys who fly in from other SEA destinations for a weekend that distort the reality of local market prices. They spend like drunken sailors and throw money around because they are living for the moment and tipping and barfine structure be dammed. The only downside to those actions are felt by the guys who spend 200+ days a year in the Philippines or guys who live there. These guys generally do not throw too much money around on a daily basis because they average it out over a much longer time frame.

Dmyth
01-01-12, 22:21
Do you people not understand? The whole damn point of the Philippines, is the easy living, and the GOOD CHEAP pussy. Without either one there is no point in even venturing there. Now you got as bunch of self centered ass holes fucking it up for everybody else. Why don't you suga-daddy wannabees take your limp dick viagra chewing asses somewhere else.

Lawdog 690
01-02-12, 00:08
JBIZ. Planning a trip to Asia, have pal who is married to a Philippino Lady and living there. I was scanning ISG for additional intel. Ran across some of your photos, read your posts and it is refreshing to read reports, and dialogue, from someone who has a brain and makes sense! I also belong to best GFE forum here in the states and a lot of the time, the bullshit you encounter is amazing! Looks like you have no prob getting action and the women you have shown look pretty strong to me. I am Black and from what I have heard, there are many Asian women who enjoy being with us (do not mean to generalize ). I am intelligent, pretty good looking, in shape and just love Asian culture. Especially Japanese. Have you ever made it to Japan? , and if so, have you had success with the babes? Any input would be appreciated.

Take Care, Happy New Year, and Peace.

Dog

Strickjb
01-02-12, 01:59
I walk up around 11ish with Ms J between my legs again.Great post. Thanks.

Stroker Ace88
01-02-12, 04:45
JBIZ. Planning a trip to Asia [snip] I am intelligent, pretty good looking, in shape and just love Asian culture. Especially Japanese. Have you ever made it to Japan? , and if so, have you had success with the babes? Any input would be appreciated.

Take Care, Happy New Year, and Peace.Pay Jackson the $19. 95 membership fee and send the guy a PM. Asking questions about Japan in the Philippines thread is redundant.

Just Seven
01-02-12, 05:40
I really don't get what the big deal is with tipping, maybe its just an American thing if I get a good meal and descent service I leave a 15% tip and whats 50 pesos a little over a dollar thats certainly isn't a flamboyant tip by any means. I tip that's just what I do because in my opinion its the appropriate thing to do. Now Mr. Pink from reservoir dogs with disagree, my attitude is if a waitress can get a 7 to 15 bucks for bringing you food why not give a chick a few bucks for a good sex session. I'm not getting the controversy, I understand that some of the older retired guys are on budgets but come on, who can't spare a few bucks?Its just a buck right?

Ok give me just a buck everyday. Fuck it, its just a buck. Why not just add a buck to the price of everything, then everyone is happy right? Its just a buck!

Mr Enternational
01-02-12, 07:01
I really don't get what the big deal is with tipping, maybe its just an American thing if I get a good meal and descent service I leave a 15% tip and whats 50 pesos a little over a dollar thats certainly isn't a flamboyant tip by any means. I tip that's just what I do because in my opinion its the appropriate thing to do.I'm American as well. But I have enough sense to leave my American ideas of "the appropriate thing to do" at home when I am in Rome, at which time I shall do as the Romans do. If you were so busy worrying about what is "appropriate" in/for America you wouldn't be in PI fucking hoes in the first place.

Chocha Monger
01-02-12, 08:48
I'm American as well. But I have enough sense to leave my American ideas of "the appropriate thing to do" at home when I am in Rome, at which time I shall do as the Romans do. If you were so busy worrying about what is "appropriate" in/for America you wouldn't be in PI fucking hoes in the first place.
Do you people not understand? The whole damn point of the Philippines, is the easy living, and the GOOD CHEAP pussy. Without either one there is no point in even venturing there. Now you got as bunch of self centered ass holes fucking it up for everybody else. Why don't you suga-daddy wannabees take your limp dick viagra chewing asses somewhere else.Very good points! Guys who don't get any pussy at home arrive at destinations with good cheap pussy and immediately start fucking it up by doing the same things that they did at home. One would think that they'the have figured out that those 'appropriate' things were not getting them any pussy at home. Yet, they insist on behaving like they're still back home begging and pleading for some ass while trying to impress everyone with their money. If that actually worked they'the be balls deep in pussy back home and not in the Third World fucking hoes.

They say video killed the radio star but the internet and high roller wannabes are killing mongering. More and more assholes don't want to read up the info on mongering spots in regards to pricing and tips. Some dumb asses want to do drugs and discuss it on the forum. Anyone having doubts about what throwing money around stupidly does to a mongering destination only has to look at what American and Canadian mongers did to the Mexican mongering spots, Costa Rica, Medellin Colombia, Dominican Republic and other previously cheap and readily accessible mongering havens. Now they're working their way into SEA. For some they're not really mongers they come through as a once in a lifetime thing and do as much damage as possible because they'll never be back.

Frenzy3
01-02-12, 08:53
Its just a buck right?

Ok give me just a buck everyday. Fuck it, its just a buck. Why not just add a buck to the price of everything, then everyone is happy right? Its just a buck!Did you do anything for me. Then do not ask.

The reason prices are not more is competition so if I am happy I can tip what I like.

Frenzy3
01-02-12, 08:58
Very good points! Guys who don't get any pussy at home arrive at destinations with good cheap pussy and immediately start fucking it up by doing the same things that they did at home. One would think that they'the have figured out that those 'appropriate' things were not getting them any pussy at home. Yet, they insist on behaving like they're still back home begging and pleading for some ass while trying to impress everyone with their money. If that actually worked they'the be balls deep in pussy back home and not in the Third World fucking hoes.

They say video killed the radio star but the internet and high roller wannabes are killing mongering. More and more assholes don't want to read up the info on mongering spots in regards to pricing and tips. Some dumb asses want to do drugs and discuss it on the forum. Anyone having doubts about what throwing money around stupidly does to a mongering destination only has to look at what American and Canadian mongers did to the Mexican mongering spots, Costa Rica, Medellin Colombia, Dominican Republic and other previously cheap and readily accessible mongering havens. Now they're working their way into SEA. For some they're not really mongers they come through as a once in a lifetime thing and do as much damage as possible because they'll never be back.Competition you now have rich guys who can buy Viagra get use to the crowded market. It never going to go back to the good old days. Sex is a international biz. And PI will get it share.

Sprite13
01-02-12, 09:02
I've been reading the AC pages and couldn't find a recent post on the going rates there for short time / long time / bar fines, free lancers etc.

I was in Cebu a year ago and the freelancers at Mango square were good for 1k / night; bar fine from gogos were about 1. 5 to 1. 7k.

I'm thinking of spending sometime in AC so would appreciate any info on recent going prices there. Or even a general guide on the options available in AC and the going rate for each type of place. Would appreciate it greatly.

Thanks.

Dmyth
01-02-12, 10:19
Competition you now have rich guys who can buy Viagra get use to the crowded market. It never going to go back to the good old days. Sex is a international biz. And PI will get it share.
Very good points! Guys who don't get any pussy at home arrive at destinations with good cheap pussy and immediately start fucking it up by doing the same things that they did at home. One would think that they'the have figured out that those 'appropriate' things were not getting them any pussy at home. Yet, they insist on behaving like they're still back home begging and pleading for some ass while trying to impress everyone with their money. If that actually worked they'the be balls deep in pussy back home and not in the Third World fucking hoes.

They say video killed the radio star but the internet and high roller wannabes are killing mongering. More and more assholes don't want to read up the info on mongering spots in regards to pricing and tips. Some dumb asses want to do drugs and discuss it on the forum. Anyone having doubts about what throwing money around stupidly does to a mongering destination only has to look at what American and Canadian mongers did to the Mexican mongering spots, Costa Rica, Medellin Colombia, Dominican Republic and other previously cheap and readily accessible mongering havens. Now they're working their way into SEA. For some they're not really mongers they come through as a once in a lifetime thing and do as much damage as possible because they'll never be back.Thanks for the back-up, thought I'd get a little more, but, you get what you get, I thought the group would care a little more, but you get what you get. I can't understand why these people are being encouraged the way they are, I wouldn't care if they never posted another picture, or never bought another drink for a group member, as long as they stay the fuck out of my way, and don't cost me any money (important thing- or pussy) I couldn't care less. These people are a menace to my dick's happiness, and my dick is all I care about.

Dmyth
01-02-12, 10:27
Well, I'm glad to hear I'm not alone. Cheap charlies are the pioneers of 3rd world mongering!No they are not, I'm still alive and kicking.

Dmyth
01-02-12, 10:38
Competition you now have rich guys who can buy Viagra get use to the crowded market. It never going to go back to the good old days. Sex is a international biz. And PI will get it share.Yes that's a good plan! Makes sense, I've got money burning a hole in my pocket, so let me take a trip to the pussy capitol and just fuck it up for everybody, just to make myself feel important, good plan.

Dmyth
01-02-12, 10:46
For those of you so concerned about the ladies being paid beyond services rendered, I'll happily see that appropiate puss- I' er' mean the lady get's the payment in question.

Jbiz979
01-02-12, 14:46
Look I'm 29 years old, I went to the Phils last year my first time. I certainly get most of your gents points on tipping in general. But I think the pay offs of tipping out way the market fluctuations. Perfect example in my previous post I spoke of a Pinay named Apple I spent a great deal of time with her. I got Pinay prices for goods and services. Why? A because I was with a Pinay B because I treated her well (not an extravagant tip) with a descent tip. No one on this board complains about All the Free sex many of us have enjoyed while visiting this country but a few guys give a chick 3 bucks and this is controversial?

Jbiz979
01-02-12, 14:58
JBIZ. Planning a trip to Asia, have pal who is married to a Philippino Lady and living there. I was scanning ISG for additional intel. Ran across some of your photos, read your posts and it is refreshing to read reports, and dialogue, from someone who has a brain and makes sense! I also belong to best GFE forum here in the states and a lot of the time, the bullshit you encounter is amazing! Looks like you have no prob getting action and the women you have shown look pretty strong to me. I am Black and from what I have heard, there are many Asian women who enjoy being with us (do not mean to generalize ). I am intelligent, pretty good looking, in shape and just love Asian culture. Especially Japanese. Have you ever made it to Japan? , and if so, have you had success with the babes? Any input would be appreciated.

Take Care, Happy New Year, and Peace.

DogI have a buddy of mine who is retired Army he is married to a Japanese woman and he has had great success in Japan, from what he has told me if your a descent looking young black guy you will do very well in Japan the younger generation is very liberal, just hit the hip hop clubs. PM me I'm actually planning a trip to Japan 2013 sorry this year I have to do another round in the Phils I have an older gent 57 that has beg me to go again and show him a good time, your welcome to join us.

Dmyth
01-02-12, 15:43
Look I'm 29 years old, I went to the Phils last year my first time. I certainly get most of your gents points on tipping in general. But I think the pay offs of tipping out way the market fluctuations. Perfect example in my previous post I spoke of a Pinay named Apple I spent a great deal of time with her. I got Pinay prices for goods and services. Why? A because I was with a Pinay B because I treated her well (not an extravagant tip) with a descent tip. No one on this board complains about All the Free sex many of us have enjoyed while visiting this country but a few guys give a chick 3 bucks and this is controversial?The problem is you don't live here, it creates expectations that you don't have deal with because your gone back to the states, or where ever your from, leaving the rest of us to deal with the consequences of your generosity.

WestCoast1
01-02-12, 16:19
I've been reading the AC pages and couldn't find a recent post on the going rates there for short time / long time / bar fines, free lancers etc.

I was in Cebu a year ago and the freelancers at Mango square were good for 1k / night; bar fine from gogos were about 1. 5 to 1. 7k.

I'm thinking of spending sometime in AC so would appreciate any info on recent going prices there. Or even a general guide on the options available in AC and the going rate for each type of place. Would appreciate it greatly.

Thanks.Most Fields bars are 1500-1800 for barfine. Several larger bars are up to 3000 (with lower tiers). The Santos St bars are 700 ST. The Perimeter bars are 1200-1300 (gents?). FL on the streets can be had for 500 ST.

Frenzy3
01-02-12, 16:49
A while back in AC, I took two Santos girls. After the session we went out for a drink. While watching the dancing show, the girls shared that one of them had only been in the bar for two weeks,

Personally, I'd argue that we all stop tipping completely. But even if all us ISG's did that, there are so many other guys who go their who will keep tipping (its engrained). Others have argued that we should tip large: the best babes will go to the highest bidder (tipper). I can see both arguments. Like teetotalers who try to stop people from drinking booze, tipping is something that can't be stopped.She will learn pretty fast that she got lucky the first time. That guy was a rare one indeed. If you do not tip even the 50 peso it could mean next time you go into the bar the girls will not join you.

I will only tip if some one gives me a reason, and girls who ask I tell not to ask as it makes sure I will not tip.

WestCoast1
01-02-12, 17:08
If you do not tip even the 50 peso it could mean next time you go into the bar the girls will not join you.Frenzy makes an interesting point. I hear guys saying that tipping the bargirl endears her to you for her next performance. However, I would argue that while that may be true, there will probably not be another performance. There is so much eye candy, that we never see 95% of the girls again. If that is the case, the tip money is wasted. Also, when you say that to yourself, that you are endearing her to you with money, you are also saying that you don't trust that she will want to be with you just for the barfine, or she won't want to be with you at all. Its one thing to pay a barfine to purchase her behavior in bed, its quite another to say you must give her extra to pretend to like you (ouch). I'm guessing that the tip is completely un-needed to endear her: she will jump at the first barfine that offers tonight, especially if she knows you already.

Sammon
01-02-12, 17:28
Tipping should depend on the service and friendliness. These girls do what they do to support thier family, kids whatever. There are some who feel big tipping buys allegience. It is not true. The girls have seen and met lots of.

Punters. No need to impress any girl. You are in AC for one reason that is to fuck as many girls as possible. But in the course if you find somebody who is exceptional some added tipping is warranted. Not to buy her co-operation but reward her for her service.

Early on on my visits to AC I found out being too nice reflects negatively. One time I barfined a very pretty girl and found out she has a bad case of cold. I bought her some medicine and let her go without sex mainly because I did not want to catch her cold. But after a few days I met her again but her demeanor has changed. This maybe an exception.

Normally in AC tips are from 100-500 pesos depending on service. New girls do not expect any tips because tipping is not in Philippine culture. Soon they will learn tip is normal when you are dealing with foreigners.

Mr Enternational
01-02-12, 19:47
Early on on my visits to AC I found out being too nice reflects negatively. One time I barfined a very pretty girl and found out she has a bad case of cold. I bought her some medicine and let her go without sex mainly because I did not want to catch her cold.Why didn't you just hit it from the back if you didn't want to catch her cold?

ThatGuy865
01-02-12, 21:13
Well I guess me and my friends. Ruin it for budget guys who live there and those who are cheap / frugal or whatever you want to call it.

We ALL tip. Throw ping pong balls. Buy LD's for girls. Just for the hell of it. To have them sit and laugh with us. 3 girls for each of us. And we roll 3 to 5 guys.

I tip girls just for sitting with me. I'll give a girl money to get a pedi & manicure. If she sits with me. Looks good and needs its to complete the look and don't plan on BFing her.

But I'll tell you what. When I walk into the bars the next day. I'm greeted like a king. Back rubs. Massages. Girls pleading with me to take them. Never a runner.

Ones that I BF. I tip 500p minimum. Even if only 1 pop. Shoot I have given a girl 1500p tip. And we didn't even have sex (I was too drunk and feel asleep). She was cute, good company and fun throughout the night and stayed til I wanted her to leave.

If that ruins another budget Monger's day. Too bad. This ain't no team sport. I got mine. Get yours how ever you can

He who spends the bucks. Makes the rules. Too damn bad for those who don't. And yes I go there cause it cheap enough. So I can afford to be the 2 week Donald Trump.

Sammon
01-02-12, 23:30
Why didn't you just hit it from the back if you didn't want to catch her cold?She was running a fever on the way back to my room and I did not want her in the room. Before the barfine did not even think she was running a fever. I told her she should have told me before barfine.

She did say she wants to spend the night with me. While travelling I am paranoid of being with sick girls warranted or not.

Mr Enternational
01-02-12, 23:41
She was running a fever on the way back to my room and I did not want her in the room. Before the barfine did not even think she was running a fever. I told her she should have told me before barfine.

She did say she wants to spend the night with me. While travelling I am paranoid of being with sick girls warranted or not.Looks like come hell or high water these girls will make it to work.

Mc Don
01-03-12, 05:17
We debate tips every few months usually on this – AC board. Aren't you guys sick of it, at least the regulars? I mean lets agree to disagree on tipping. Everyone is different and everyone has different strategies or goals in AC, some like to mix it up, some like new girl every night, some want a gf experience. Tipping should be different in each case. I am sure few punters will disagree but if you want to get the best out of the girl I think its silly to argue that money isn't the greatest motivator. You can wine them dine them, be nice to them buy them presents but talk to them and see what they say. 50 000 peso trip to boracay or a 10 000 tip what do you think she will chose? I personally think sex with them is largly what you make of it. Perhaps the punter is responsible for 70-80% of HIS experience, but the girl still makes up the other 20-30% so tipping can help in certain cases. Some guys are there for few days and want to make sure that they get the best out of the girl so their tipping habits will reflect that.

A lot depends on the punters experience. The more experienced guys can work out when and how much is enough to tip while newbies all they have is their previous experiences in the west so they hang on to those. To them its cheap and tipping is no big deal. An experienced guy will know how much he can push the girl before she turns off and how to motivate her. Being nice to her before the deed picking the right one that you click with are little things that experienced punters know better then newbies so they will always get away with less peso spend if they chose to. Being known for the right reasons in few bars helps. If you are cheap Charlie the opposite applies, hence why the days of cheap Charlies in AC will never be numbered, you just need to hit different bars more often. AC has something for everyone so really no need to debate this.

We often talk about the DAMAGE that tipping does. I don't think it does ANY damage. Tipping big does NOT ruin markets especially in AC a girl will take someone's tip the night before and if cheap Charlie gets to her first the following night she will go with him. No big deal. I think they see it as a bonus not as part of their income. Security is what matters more to them. We often missundrestand the where do you stay question, thinking its to work out the spending habits of the punter or so on. Yes that's true too but its secondary, its about SECURITY. They want to tell their best friend or someone where they are staying just in case. If she knows the guy is good to her and doesn't tip or a new guy that is not well behaved and may tip I or may not who do you think she will chose?

What increases prices is more demand, which in AC has been on increase (new bigger hotels, flights etc) and greedy bar owners. How many additional bars have we seen over the last 2 years, yet how many new direct flights to AC are now operating? If you read my posts there was one part where a Blue Nile show girl told me that the bar wants to increase her bar fine to 5000 peso but she is against it. Basically the bar has worked out that guys taking a 3000 babe will still tip heavy or will pay 5000 for it without much thought. She is against it because she figures its too much, she will lose business and she now has to split her tip with the bar. She is right. If anyone is in AC can you check the bar fine price for show girls in Blue Nile please, I am curious to see if they went ahead with the increase, they were planning to start that as of January.

Amjeck
01-03-12, 06:05
Competition you now have rich guys who can buy Viagra get use to the crowded market. It never going to go back to the good old days. Sex is a international biz. And PI will get it share.This is something nobody talks about. Guys that were sidelined are now players, and a lot of these guys have money to burn. Viagra has changed the landscape big time!

Amjeck
01-03-12, 06:08
We often talk about the DAMAGE that tipping does. I don't think it does ANY damage. Tipping big does NOT ruin markets especially in AC a girl will take someone's tip the night before and if cheap Charlie gets to her first the following night she will go with him. No big deal. I think they see it as a bonus not as part of their income.Does tipping BETTER the markets? How so?

Mc Don
01-03-12, 08:44
Does tipping BETTER the markets? How so?It does not but it will get you better service or more convenience. If I want to repeat and and I want to see the girl at 3pm rather then wait for her to start the shift at 9pm I will more likely get her to come to my hotel room then a Cheap Charlie. I have no doubt that she will go with him too but at 9pm rather then 3. Think about it.

Fast Eddie 48
01-03-12, 08:58
Does tipping BETTER the markets? How so?To Amjeck,

I don't think tipping better the Market but a small tip make me and the girl feel better, I am not a big tipper by all mean, but if a girl stay all night and offer good service I give them a small tip like 300 p or gift and take them out for lunch.

Fast Eddie 48

Fastpiston
01-03-12, 15:38
Yes, you are right, tipping and over-paying does attract girls who then give a better 'service'- I used to watch this action when the Japanese used to flash their money.

But I also noticed it invariably attracted the hard core, very experienced old-timers.

Gangles
01-03-12, 16:35
There are mongers on ISG who pay way over the going rate for services.

You may well berate them for distorting the market.

But next time they are back in town, a single text produces instantaneous results. She is there in a flash, pumped and primed for high power performance.

No need for streams of texts, no need for masses of lengthy chats etc.

Whatever he wants, he gets, oral, anal, SM, bondage etc.

So, who is the winner? Both him and her.

Who is the loser? None.

D

Frenzy3
01-03-12, 16:38
Well I guess me and my friends. Ruin it for budget guys who live there and those who are cheap / frugal or whatever you want to call it.

We ALL tip. Throw ping pong balls. Buy LD's for girls. Just for the hell of it. To have them sit and laugh with us. 3 girls for each of us. And we roll 3 to 5 guys.

I tip girls just for sitting with me. I'll give a girl money to get a pedi & manicure. If she sits with me. Looks good and needs its to complete the look and don't plan on BFing her.

But I'll tell you what. When I walk into the bars the next day. I'm greeted like a king. Back rubs. Massages. Girls pleading with me to take them. Never a runner.

Ones that I BF. I tip 500p minimum. Even if only 1 pop. Shoot I have given a girl 1500p tip. And we didn't even have sex (I was too drunk and feel asleep). She was cute, good company and fun throughout the night and stayed til I wanted her to leave.

If that ruins another budget Monger's day. Too bad. This ain't no team sport. I got mine. Get yours how ever you can

He who spends the bucks. Makes the rules. Too damn bad for those who don't. And yes I go there cause it cheap enough. So I can afford to be the 2 week Donald Trump.That the same experience I get going to a bar, and as I said if you not tip you run the risk of the girls not giving you extra service, fine if you plan to hit different bars every night, but I like the welcome back feeling and extras it brings.

Sammon
01-03-12, 17:53
Looks like come hell or high water these girls will make it to work.The bars are stricter than some American companies I know. Being sick is not an excuse to be absent from the bar job. I guess only if they are in the hospital it is a real excuse.

Bars really want all girls to report to work being afraid that the girls might have made side deals with punters and call in sick often. You cannot blame the bar.

What I understand is unless the girl is pretty it is not easy to find a job in AC anymore because of heavy competetion. When you are poor any steady job is preferred to staying home for these girls even if it is 150 P per day.

FinnTraveller
01-04-12, 21:48
To Amjeck,

If a girl stay all night and offer good service I give them a small tip like 300 p or gift and take them out for lunch.

Fast Eddie 48So mongering friends, quick question: what is your normal tip for all night?

WestCoast1
01-05-12, 06:00
So mongering friends, quick question: what is your normal tip for all night?P50 for tryke. Nothing if I walk her back to her ST bar. I toss in food the evening before, or breakfast in the morning. P100 if outside of AC (Manila / Cebu) for taxi. Most guys I think give 300-500.

Fast Eddie 48
01-05-12, 07:03
So mongering friends, quick question: what is your normal tip for all night?To Finn.

Like I said 300 p that is if they stay all night and I take them out for breakfast or Lunch on top of that, you can tip what ever you want to tip everyone is different and I will never tell other how much they should tip is up to you.

Fast Eddie 48

Travel Fox
01-05-12, 23:58
P50 for tryke. Nothing if I walk her back to her ST bar. I toss in food the evening before, or breakfast in the morning. P100 if outside of AC (Manila / Cebu) for taxi. Most guys I think give 300-500.I usually give 100 for the same thing but I am around a 70p trike ride away.

Some guys feel very large and about the town when tipping well (showboating). For some it helps them cope with their deep shame at participating in the game. Some think it gives them much more respect and admiration than other mongers (returning to bars etc.).

I find in the Philippines things can be very superficial and those that flaunt usually do have a great time.

I have had a great time and flaunt nothing.

Either way I can understand.

I however DO have a tremendous amount of respect for mongers who are true to the "game" and understand that its just pussy.

Travelfox

Punter 127
01-06-12, 02:06
I usually give 100 for the same thing but I am around a 70p trike ride away.

Some guys feel very large and about the town when tipping well (showboating). For some it helps them cope with their deep shame at participating in the game. Some think it gives them much more respect and admiration than other mongers (returning to bars etc.).

I find in the Philippines things can be very superficial and those that flaunt usually do have a great time.

I have had a great time and flaunt nothing.

Either way I can understand.

I however DO have a tremendous amount of respect for mongers who are true to the "game" and understand that its just pussy.

TravelfoxI concur you have hit the nail on the head. It's really a shame that more guys don't understand what you're saying about the 'game' and it's only 'pussy'. For me it's about getting laid, it's not about how much money I can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) away.

Ekspat
01-06-12, 04:42
Most guys I think give 300-500.Yes, usually I give 500ps for a good LT.

Mc Don
01-06-12, 10:12
0. 300 based on service. I have in the past sent girls home even without trike money.

500 if I want to repeat.

Up to 1000 for exeptional service, regulars, etc. I tend to be demanding LOL

I buy food before the deed, drinks if I decide to barhop a bit more and keep her in tow. If she stays (most of them them do) until late afternoon the next day then branch is usually on me too.

ST. I usually give trike money plus a hundred or trike money only. ST in AC from Santos is usually good, I can't remember ever not tipping something.

AroundYou
01-06-12, 15:27
Great days everyone,

I am starting to be lucky to have a chance again to write back even with different name. Since I was in US and now back to Arab country where this website is blocked. Lucky me.

I am planning to visit AC for view days between my trip to Indonesia. I was reading from page 1 until 50 so far to have more information so I can do my homework reading before I post this.

I will be there at the End of Jan and just want to write from now until my both trips and sure more and more.

Take care guys and wish you all best.

Phantomtiger2
01-07-12, 03:45
P50 for tryke.

Nothing if I walk her back to her ST bar.

I toss in food the evening before, or breakfast in the morning.

P100 if outside of AC (Manila / Cebu) for taxi.

Most guys I think give 300-500.1) I only give trike money if service was standard (100p) and nothing if service did not meet my standards. My minimum bid starts at 100p.

2) True-same here.

3) I also try to feed her before the deed but never breakfast as I never get up early enough the next day after a nite of bonking.

4) If service was standard anywhere else in Phil (outside of AC) , I usually give 200p as things cost more.

5) Don't know about most guys but I have RARELY given tips over 300 for any LT service. 100-200 seems to be my normal range.

Before anyone thinks I don't tip enough, just for the record, many of them wants me to repeat.

PT

Phantomtiger2
01-07-12, 03:55
Wrong. I am here to stay! No lady drinks, 1,000, 5,000, or for that matter I have never even given a 50 peso tip as WC routinely does (and I fuck like a madman). No problems or disappointed ladies in AC to date.Ha ha, just like you, Westcoast and Amjek, I consider myself a Cheap Charlie when it comes to tipping but compare to you, I feel like Warren Buffet.

Cheers to all us 3rd world tippers who come to these destinations just for that reason.

PT

Lopkx
01-07-12, 06:23
Well I was reading the forum and I saw a lot of opinions on tipping and I decided to throw in my two cents. First of all to each his own, I don't care whether you are a tipper or not. But when in Rome if you want to do as Romans, let's be clear on one point.

Tipping is not customary in the Philippines. Philippines is not a "tipping" country there are a few Filipinos who practice it. For example, a more affluent Filipinos is expected to tip if he is very critical and difficult to please, then greater "compensation" is expected than the norm by those who serve him.

As I am not an affluent Filipino who is difficult to please. My tipping policy is to give the hoes a tip on where the closest Jeepney is located for them to get home safely. No more, no less. The price we agreed is the price they get. I don't recognize or understand the term tipping when in the Philippines because I do as the romans do, that is the none affluent romans. LOL

Sprite13
01-07-12, 08:33
Thank you Westcoast1 for answering my question about current prices. I gather that the rates in AC are as in Cebu in that they include both the barfine and the fee for the girl, correct?


Most Fields bars are 1500-1800 for barfine. Several larger bars are up to 3000 (with lower tiers). The Santos St bars are 700 ST. The Perimeter bars are 1200-1300 (gents?). FL on the streets can be had for 500 ST.

WestCoast1
01-07-12, 08:43
Tipping is not customary in the Philippines. Philippines is not a "tipping" country there are a few Filipinos who practice it. For example, a more affluent Filipinos is expected to tip if he is very critical and difficult to please, then greater "compensation" is expected than the norm by those who serve him.

As I am not an affluent Filipino who is difficult to please. My tipping policy is to give the hoes a tip on where the closest Jeepney is located for them to get home safely. No more, no less. The price we agreed is the price they get. I don't recognize or understand the term tipping when in the Philippines because I do as the romans do, that is the none affluent romans. LOLYes. If you don't tip your western waitress, you might be seen as cheap charley. If you don't tip any western service provider, you might be seen as a cheap charley. But if you don't tip in non-western countries, you probably won't be seen as a cheap charley. Don't tip your pinay waitress, she won't think of you as kuripot. If you don't tip your pinay hooker, she probably won't see you as kuripot. If she (either the waitress or hooker) actually DOES see you as kuripot, then she's spoiled. Other clients previous to you were in the custom of tipping her. Custom is hard to break. If you are used to a custom, it becomes built-in, and difficult not to perform the custom in a place where its not done. Its up to you to break the custom (only in those places where its not performed, or a different custom is performed). Do as the romans do (but only in rome).


Ha ha, just like you, Westcoast and Amjek, I consider myself a Cheap Charlie when it comes to tipping but compare to you, I feel like Warren Buffet.I'm not sure just how much of a cheap charley I am. When I'm in a westernized place, I often tip well, ranging from small to larger-than-normal, depending on the service. Its not beyond me to put down $20-$30-$40 for an $85 meal for my date and I if the food was good and the servers did their job efficiently, gracefully, energetically (and explain it to the management). Certainly there is nothing kuripot about that. Also its not beyond me to put down nothing at all if the food is bad / cold and the service is poor (and to explain it to the management). On the other hand, I don't tip in places where the locals don't tip.

Really the girls you bed don't expect a tip in pinas. Getting one is a wonderful surprise usually. If its not a surprise, if its expected, then she is: spoiled. Tipping her makes the gent feel good (as is his custom) , but certainly doesn't help the matter for the next guy.

Something that bothers me more than the argument here about how much to tip the girls. And that is: right here in my westernized country, there are good folk who are so hooked into the tipping culture, that they believe that one MUST tip a service provider, no matter how poor the service. My former dates, one of my sisters (yet not the other sisters, one of whom is a former waitress) , and my mother are hooked into this belief. At times receiving the worst service and / or food you can possibly imagine, they get mad at me when I don't leave a tip. While visiting my parents a few months ago in my (large) hometown, I took them to dinner one night. My mother had heard of a neat new restraunt we wanted to try. She made a reservation for the three of us at 8pm. Once there, they asked us to wait in the bar and have a drink. 40 minutes later they took us to our table. Ten minutes later they brought menus. My dad kept dozing off. Ten minutes later we ordered. Thirty minutes later the food came. Dad's steak was underdone and cold. They brought my mom chicken (she ordered fish). My meal was fine. With drinks and tax, $96. Mom looked over the bill and said to add a $20 tip. I paid with my CC and left no tip. While my parents were getting ready to leave I ran to the can. I saw the waitress on the way back and told her briefly why I wasn't leaving a tip."Ya its fine. We're really busy tonight. Very sorry." Mistakes made:

* Reservation 8pm. Didn't get any food until 9:30.

* Spent 10 minutes without seeing a menu. A no-no in the restaurant biz.

* Food cold. Wrong food. Food must be re-warmed and re-ordered.

* Could not flag down waitress. Nearly non-existent most of the time.

* After clearing the table of plates, another 15 minutes before the bill came. Showed up at 8pm, didn't leave until after 10:30pm. Poor dad, slept through parts of it.

A few minutes after driving away from the restaurant, mom asked how much tip I left on my CC. Zero mom. She was fairly steamed with that."You should leave her SOMETHING. Its tempting to tell you to turn the car around so I can go give her something." Abso-fucking-lutely amazing. If the waitress was fine with not getting a tip, you got to ask: what's up my mom's butt? To cut my lovin' mom some slack, she grew up in the depression and she knows austerity. You see this in AC sometimes (or here on the board). Some guy says,"Ya she starfished on my then ran out after the first pop after agreeing to stay all night. Said she had to get home to her son. So I only tipped her 300 instead of my usual 1000." Jesus.

Fast Buck Artist
01-07-12, 09:30
This tipping discussion is endless.

Just tip what you feel the service provider deserves. They have done a good job? Tip them, otherwise don't tip them.

I apply this simple rule in any country regardless what the local habits are.

Don't feel like you need to keep up with the Joneses, Habibs and Kim Chungs in the tipping department. Some of these guys drop 4000 peso tips and I really question what value they get for this largesse. Want to feel like Donald Trump for a day? OK. Nice treatment next time you are in town? Perhaps, but keep in mind average "tour of duty" for an AC hooker is 6 months or less. The turnover of girls is very high. When I visit an AC bar I see no faces I recognise. All new arrivals, been there 3 months or less. Career prostitutes are a rare kind of woman, most girls will try it for a few months, get sick of it quickly, and leave. So next time you come, the girl you tipped 4000 will simply not be there, long gone elsewhere.

Member #4698
01-07-12, 13:23
I don't tip in places where the locals don't tip.I once introduced a close friend of mine to Costa Rica. He had never been out of the USA so I was showing him around CR. The best beaches on both coasts and San Jose. We had a great time, but my friend kept insisting on leaving tips no matter how far off the beaten track we were. His defense of his actions was "I'm only tipping $0.30 [or whatever the tip was]. It is nothing." I told him it was something. He was affecting the way the locals viewed gringos and this was wrong. He kept tipping and there was nothing I could say to dissuade him until I had an inspiration. He was a big Star Trek fan and I reminded him of the Prime Directive: Starfleet's General Order #1, (the most prominent guiding principle of the United Federation of Planets) that dictates that there can be no interference with the internal development of alien civilizations. He was at a loss and the tipping ended.

Now the question at hand is whether AC has already been affected by the outside world [the United Federation of Planets]. I would say it definitely has so I tip AC girls if they were really good and deserving of a tip. I am not spoiling the market because the market has already been spoiled long ago. Tipping a deserving working girl generates a positive reciprocal response the next time I go to that particular bar. The girls talk and I like being the beneficiary of that talk when I tip generously in the ballpark of 300p to 500p for really good service. It is well worth it the next time I enter that bar and everybody bends over backwards to see I am taken care of. I give no tip for BS or perfunctory service.

WestCoast1
01-07-12, 15:49
Thank you Westcoast1 for answering my question about current prices. I gather that the rates in AC are as in Cebu in that they include both the barfine and the fee for the girl, correct?Yes, in AC, the barfine includes: LT, payment to the bar (1/2 the barfine) , and payment to the girl (1/2 the barfine). There is no tip requested (feel free to give what you want, if any).

The exception to this is the Santos Street blow-row bars. These are ST-only, either 2 or 4 hours. Also no tip requested (give if you want).

It Travel
01-07-12, 15:53
Yes, in AC, the barfine includes: LT, payment to the bar (1/2 the barfine) , and payment to the girl (1/2 the barfine). There is no tip requested (feel free to give what you want, if any).

The exception to this is the Santos Street blow-row bars. These are ST-only, either 2 or 4 hours. Also no tip requested (give if you want).Thanks for PM too. Will see if I can fly there for some holidays.

IT

Sammon
01-07-12, 18:11
The exception to this is the Santos Street blow-row bars. These are ST-only, either 2 or 4 hours. Also no tip requested (give if you want).Santos street bars will allow you to barfine LT also if that is what you want. The price quoted last time was 1000 Pesos. Plus tip if you give her.

I have never taken any girls from there ST or LT or BJ upstairs. However I go there to check out the girls and have a drink, buy them some drinks and chat.

I have found the girls there are more down to earth and friendly. Only issue I have is they do so many BJ per day and I do not want to barfine them knowing what they do. Even in regular bars the girls.

Have sex frequently and do BJ as well but I do not see it.

Sharka
01-08-12, 00:23
Yes. If you don't tip your western waitress, you might be seen as cheap charley. If you don't tip any western service provider, you might be seen as a cheap charley. But if you don't tip in non-western countries, you probably won't be seen as a cheap charley. Don't tip your pinay waitress, she won't think of you as kuripot. If you don't tip your pinay hooker, she probably won't see you as kuripot. If she (either the waitress or hooker) actually DOES see you as kuripot, then she's spoiled. Other clients previous to you were in the custom of tipping her. Custom is hard to break. If you are used to a custom, it becomes built-in, and difficult not to perform the custom in a place where its not done. Its up to you to break the custom (only in those places where its not performed, or a different custom is performed). Do as the romans do (but only in rome).Well said, as I also follow the "Roman rules" when I travel. When I finally do leave any girl a tip at all is to show just how great she was to me (and the tips from me are never over 200p- my usual is 100p). I leave a tip only because I WANT TO and NOT because I HAVE TO.

To those that have met me or know me then they also know I frequent LOS and Bali and in fact, I just returned from Bali from a 2 week stay there. And just for the record, for all those times I've been in Bali, I have NEVER EVER left a tip to anyone, no matter if they were a restaurant waitress, hooker or taxi driver etc. WHY-because the Indonesians are NOT a tipping culture (just like the Philippines). But I do seem to be getting into a bad habit in Philly as I do find myself tipping once in a while here, so go figure.

Shark

Fast Eddie 48
01-08-12, 00:32
Santos street bars will allow you to barfine LT also if that is what you want. The price quoted last time was 1000 Pesos. Plus tip if you give her.

I have never taken any girls from there ST or LT or BJ upstairs. However I go there to check out the girls and have a drink, buy them some drinks and chat.

I have found the girls there are more down to earth and friendly. Only issue I have is they do so many BJ per day and I do not want to barfine them knowing what they do. Even in regular bars the girls.

Have sex frequently and do BJ as well but I do not see it.To Sammon.

You are correct if you want a santo girl for LT you can only do that after midnight is 1000 p upfront to the bar, most girl have already ST 5-7 customer already is better to barfined and pay more at the bar.

Fast Eddie 48

Mr Enternational
01-08-12, 04:12
To Sammon.

You are correct if you want a santo girl for LT you can only do that after midnight is 1000 p upfront to the bar, most girl have already ST 5-7 customer already is better to barfined and pay more at the bar.

Fast Eddie 48Come on Eddie. Most girls on blow row have 5-7 ST customers a day? I have never even seen that many guys on the street for each to have had that many customers. Most guys I see have a drink, talk, and leave.

Apeman 28
01-08-12, 04:33
Have you guys noticed a increase of runners? They all say yes they will stay overnight and fuck next morning, but after the first fuck they have come up with the usual bullshit and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. I hate the pay first fuck later set up. Thailand is a better system with you pay them after they have provided the service, so if they they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off early, then it's only 1/2 the agreed figure.

WestCoast1
01-08-12, 06:07
Come on Eddie. Most girls on blow row have 5-7 ST customers a day? I have never even seen that many guys on the street for each to have had that many customers. Most guys I see have a drink, talk, and leave.Mostly the Santos gals work 8-hour shifts. With a 4-hour barfine. I pass by several times a day and night as I stay a block away, and see the same girls for days on end. Sometimes I think I'm the only one grabbing on the block. Other gents?

PIpimp
01-08-12, 07:43
This tipping discussion is endless.

Just tip what you feel the service provider deserves. They have done a good job? Tip them, otherwise don't tip them.

I apply this simple rule in any country regardless what the local habits are.

Don't feel like you need to keep up with the Joneses, Habibs and Kim Chungs in the tipping department. Some of these guys drop 4000 peso tips and I really question what value they get for this largesse. Want to feel like Donald Trump for a day? OK. Nice treatment next time you are in town? Perhaps, but keep in mind average "tour of duty" for an AC hooker is 6 months or less. The turnover of girls is very high. When I visit an AC bar I see no faces I recognise. All new arrivals, been there 3 months or less. Career prostitutes are a rare kind of woman, most girls will try it for a few months, get sick of it quickly, and leave. So next time you come, the girl you tipped 4000 will simply not be there, long gone elsewhere.I HATE the topic of tipping. NOONE can tell me how much to tip. If I want to tip a girl 3,000 peso it's MY business. I tip the girl VERY well if the service is good. I normally receive good service because I think it's all about your attitude!

Ekspat
01-08-12, 13:48
Have you guys noticed a increase of runners?Over the past years there is an increase of runners, for sure. Go back in any forum to eg. 2004, the word "runner" is still unknown because there weren't any. Barfine a girl at 3pm and she stayed with you till 11am next day without any discussion. I've done that countless times.

Runners popped up with the inflow of the Koreans 07/08 or so, maybe it has something to do with it, but I don't know. Probably.

To be honest, having had a runner in 2004, I would have gone back to the bar with her and make a big fuss, nowadays I don't care too much anymore. Sort of getting older maybe, I'd let her go without tip and can sleep quietly without trouble, also fine with me, for the morning bang I can easily call someone else to come over for ST.

Things change.

Ekspat
01-08-12, 14:01
Exactly what I'm going to do. My flight to Clark in January will forfeit,Hehe, remember this post? It was a complete failure. Of course the temptation of AC was finally too much, I took the flight.

Having a good time here, as usual Pony Tails for afternoon is nice, but remember the former German restaurant Edelweiss? Very nearby. It's now a Korean owned girlie-bar, the line-up is pretty good IMHO. Worth to have a look at.

What surprised me, many hotels have vacancies, even supposed to be highest season now. Strange, fanancial crisis everywhere.

Happy New Year every1.

Mc Don
01-08-12, 14:17
Hehe, remember this post? It was a complete failure. Of course the temptation of AC was finally too much, I took the flight.

Having a good time here, as usual Pony Tails for afternoon is nice, but remember the former German restaurant Edelweiss? Very nearby. It's now a Korean owned girlie-bar, the line-up is pretty good IMHO. Worth to have a look at.

What surprised me, many hotels have vacancies, even supposed to be highest season now. Strange, fanancial crisis everywhere.

Happy New Year every1.LOL AC is like Hotel California. Have fun

Ekspat
01-08-12, 14:24
Valhalla: Only good think is happy hour is long, from 2pm-10pm. 60 peso beers.Nope, happy hour in Valhalla ends at 7pm, just saw it today.

Latest HH I've seen is in Brown Sugar until 9pm.

Cheers!

Ekspat
01-08-12, 14:34
LOL AC is like Hotel California.Indeed, it is.


Have funNo worries, hehe. You around these days? PM or txt me.

WestCoast1
01-08-12, 16:30
I HATE the topic of tipping. NOONE can tell me how much to tip.PIP: Tried to send this in Private Message, but you don't have PM (yet). Welcome to the board. None of us are telling anyone else what to tip. Several of us have said what we DO tip. And there is legitimate discussion of whether the tip is a good idea. We keep saying this: to each his own tip.


If I want to tip a girl 3,000 peso it's MY business.Doubt anyone with a semblance of a mathematical brain would agree with that. Of course its your biz, but its also THE NEXT GUY's biz. If you tip a girl 3000, who's normal take from your barfine is 750, then you are driving up either price, expectation, or both. Same applies to me when I tip p50. Adding extra money into the equation in a system where its not expected (such as asia, where she understands that her 750 is all-inclusive) will change future price / expectation. Adding such money in a system where its expected (westernized countries) does nothing. If everybody tipped her p3000, she will make 6 months salary in just one month (untaxed, on tips alone).


I normally receive good service because I think it's all about your attitude!Think we all concur, in general. However, there is a subtle thing on the board where some others (including gents I've met in AC, Manila, Cebu, and Jakarta) might disagree with you without recognizing it. Their justification for their tip amount is not for good service, it is for future good service."Next time I walk in that bar everybody loves me and they going to treat me great." Well, there you have it: the belief that its not so much about attitude, but that you have to pay extra for good service!

Please post a Field Report soon of your AC experiences.

Wolvenvacht
01-08-12, 16:49
LOL AC is like Hotel California. Have fun"You can check-out any time you like,

But you can never leave!"

PIpimp
01-08-12, 19:55
PIP: Tried to send this in Private Message, but you don't have PM (yet). Welcome to the board. None of us are telling anyone else what to tip. Several of us have said what we DO tip. And there is legitimate discussion of whether the tip is a good idea. We keep saying this: to each his own tip.

Doubt anyone with a semblance of a mathematical brain would agree with that. Of course its your biz, but its also THE NEXT GUY's biz. If you tip a girl 3000, who's normal take from your barfine is 750, then you are driving up either price, expectation, or both. Same applies to me when I tip p50. Adding extra money into the equation in a system where its not expected (such as asia, where she understands that her 750 is all-inclusive) will change future price / expectation. Adding such money in a system where its expected (westernized countries) does nothing. If everybody tipped her p3000, she will make 6 months salary in just one month (untaxed, on tips alone).

Think we all concur, in general. However, there is a subtle thing on the board where some others (including gents I've met in AC, Manila, Cebu, and Jakarta) might disagree with you without recognizing it. Their justification for their tip amount is not for good service, it is for future good service."Next time I walk in that bar everybody loves me and they going to treat me great." Well, there you have it: the belief that its not so much about attitude, but that you have to pay extra for good service!

Please post a Field Report soon of your AC experiences.Well, maybye I'm just different. When I arrive in AC I have a LOT of money that I have saved up just for the trip to have a GOOD time. I normally tip the girl 1000-1500 everytime and then take them to breakfast. I have given girls 3000 tips numerous time. But that's normally because they let me take numerous pics or made a video or something extra. Random guys coming to AC making big tips don't drive up the price. The greedy owners drive up prices. I spent $4, 500 in 10 days on my last trip! People always ask me how can I spend that much in AC in such a short time. It's because I go to have fun and treat the girls well. I ring the bells, go to Forbidden City Bar and throw money from above. I just like seeing the girls happy. That's just me.

Jbiz979
01-08-12, 20:05
Most of us who do tip is to either reward a chick for a job well done or too be remembered. If one is tipping for the later then one is justified in leaving what others may deem to be a large tip, even though this is a relative subject. To argue against the size of one's tip and then justify tipping appears to me to be a bit hypocritical and at the very less a bit confusing. If one completely does not believe in tipping and does not tip than at the very least we know where this individual stands. But this ambiguity about tipping seems to be a weak argument. I Tip because I choose to tip and I tip what I deem to be a descent tip for services rendered if the fellow next to me tips more or less than I, who am I to tell him that his tip is too large or too small. In the US we have different tax brackets for the wealthy than we do for the not so well off, those who make more pay more and suffice that's the attitude of some of the gents who tip. If one choose to be miserly than more power to that person and I respect where he stands and those who tend to be more philanthropic I have the same respect. But those who state one moment that they do tip and yet deem the next man's tip to be insufficient or too extravagant should reevaluate themselves and Take A Stand for or against.

WestCoast1
01-08-12, 20:33
But those who state one moment that they do tip and yet deem the next man's tip to be insufficient or too extravagant should reevaluate themselves and Take A Stand for or against.You might be right. It might be hypocritical. Causes me to re-evaluate the process. Its easier for me to just stop tipping even the small amount I give for tryke.

Mr Enternational
01-08-12, 23:48
I spent $4, 500 in 10 days on my last trip! People always ask me how can I spend that much in AC in such a short time. It's because I go to have fun and treat the girls well. I ring the bells, go to Forbidden City Bar and throw money from above. I just like seeing the girls happy. That's just me.Damn. That is a lot of fucking money. I didn't think it was even possible to spend $450 / day in PI. For instance I have an upcoming trip next month of 10 days to Manila, Coron, Cebu, and AC. I have planed to spend $1200. Hotels and diving $605. And $595 for other fun. Good thing I don't have to spend as much money to see the same girls happy or they would be some sad sad mfs.

Freezone
01-09-12, 00:16
Mostly the Santos gals work 8-hour shifts. With a 4-hour barfine. I pass by several times a day and night as I stay a block away, and see the same girls for days on end. Sometimes I think I'm the only one grabbing on the block. Other gents?I have to agree with you and others that no way any Santos lady gets BF 7x a day. Not sure exactly how many hrs they work daily but the ones I have taken personally at night usually tells me either I'm the 1st customer or maybe the 2nd.

WestCoast1
01-09-12, 02:25
I have to agree with you and others that no way any Santos lady gets BF 7x a day. Not sure exactly how many hrs they work daily but the ones I have taken personally at night usually tells me either I'm the 1st customer or maybe the 2nd.I'll go further. They are not all that attractive. Sometimes they complain: "No customer many days."

Fast Eddie 48
01-09-12, 04:08
Over the past years there is an increase of runners, for sure. Go back in any forum to eg. 2004, the word "runner" is still unknown because there weren't any. Barfine a girl at 3pm and she stayed with you till 11am next day without any discussion. I've done that countless times.

Runners popped up with the inflow of the Koreans 07/08 or so, maybe it has something to do with it, but I don't know. Probably.

To be honest, having had a runner in 2004, I would have gone back to the bar with her and make a big fuss, nowadays I don't care too much anymore. Sort of getting older maybe, I'd let her go without tip and can sleep quietly without trouble, also fine with me, for the morning bang I can easily call someone else to come over for ST.

Things change.To Ekspat,

My first barfined at AC is a runner back in 1999 a small bar next to American hotel barfined back then is around 800 p she is cute but once in the room she is on the phone ordering dinner, after one shot she want to leave and go back to the bar and get her check and tell me she will be back in an hour, I was naive then my first trip to AC and let her go.

Fast Eddie 48

Ezinho
01-09-12, 09:08
nope, happy hour in valhalla ends at 7pm, just saw it today.

latest hh i've seen is in brown sugar until 9pm.

cheers!fair enough, when i was there early last month it was until 10, so they must have changed it for the new year.

i left the philippines last week, so how about a final update and a few pics; the best bars on this trip for me were candy bar, t&a nite club and for pure down nastiness and sleeze, matrix brawn. anyone seeing a pattern here? yup, all on perimeter. fields avenue is fubar as far as i'm concerned. here we go:

champagne bar: they had a good selection of fuck-dolls at this club, but the barfine was ridiculous, over 1800 if i rembember right. like i said, good quality, though, some good looking girls here. i got the number of a cute waitress who wanted 1000 pesos for a short time sneakout. i told her to come over to my fuckpad but she texted me back saying another guy offered her more money so maybe another night. whatever. she kept texting the next night but i didn't respond. i could get tln from perimeter bars for just a little more than that, so why bother? guys, i though short time sneakouts were 500 pesos? wtf, even sneakout prices are going up?

insomnia bar: d cups, calling isg member d cups lol! jesus, there are some huge tits in this bar! too bad there weren't more smiles! some of the girls looked downright sad. barfine was 1865 pesos, and that includes a bottle of "party animal". what is that you ask? i have no idea.

dragons den: i liked this bar, it was real fun to hang out in. it's like a smaller, more intimate version of atlantis and dollhouse; i think it's a dollhouse group bar. good shows with "spotlight" girls, shooting balloons, etc. didn't barfine from here so i don't know the price for pussy. probably expensive.

blue nile / golden nile: i don't remember which one i went to, but it was the one where the girls dancing on the table surrounded by mongers go for 3000 pesos, and then the girls up on the stage are 1500. the girls on the stage were just standing around, chit chatting and looking at their phones, hardly dancing. what kind of marketing pitch is that? i have to admit the table daning girls where hot, but 3000? a bit expensive for what is probably a short time fuck.

pony tails: they have a great line up here, but i picked a dud. i don't remember her name and i didn't take a pic (sorry!) but look out for a 19 year old girl with mosquito bite tits, a big ass, and a little bit of hair on her legs. she's a runner. after one shot she was in her clothes and out of my room faster than speedy gonzalez. and she had the nerve to ask me for a tip because she needs money for a ride home. i shit you not, i gave her exactly 8 pesos in change! take the jeepney, runner!

(remeber, a cute 19 year old with a disproportionately big ass. watch out for her)

matrix brawn: i love this sleeze of this place. this is the bj bar on perimeter. unfortunately, they have raised the prices of bjs in the back from 500 to 700 pesos. i was pissed off about this at first, but then realized every place in angeles had raised their price, so i still recommend it. again, a bbbj in the back is 700, short time in the back is 1200, and the barfine is 1500. i went here multiple times but the best bbbj i got here (and alas, of the entire trip) was from a 25 year old named jhoan jett-like the musician. she's got a tongue ring, a nice small ass and firm tits. childless, which is rare on perimeter. go on mondays when it's "no panty" day; i love it!

drill shack: a laid back, little bar on perimeter, my one beef with this place was when i went there, i'm pretty sure the air con wasn't turned on. i had one beer there but i was sweating a bit so i had to leave after that. might be worth another look if they turn on the air con.

t&a nite club: this place had a great line up. i barfined michelle. 22 years old, one child so not the best tits, but her ass was as firm as a soccer ball! nice bbbj too. just great. i didn't take pics of her, but her pics are on the bar's website; she's actually on the t&a website as the "dancer of the month". barfine was 1300, and she told me she could only stay until 11 pm, so no tln, no tip. see how that works, guys?

candy bar: good line up at this bar, but you must go early to get the best girls. barfine is 1100, i think the cheapest of all the bars i went to.

eager beavers: ok i'm embarrassed to admit this but i got gonorrhea last year from a chick at this bar, so i thought if i go back, there's no way i could get another sti from there, i mean what are the odds of that happening? i shit you not, i got the clap again, from another chick that works at this bar. honestly, what are the odds? seriously, someone call nasa and have them calculate this shit. anyway, i'm never going back to this bar, my body just can't take it anymore. barfine was 1500, antibiotics were a bit more than that.

i went to more bars but i can't remember the rest. to wrap it up, here are the pics of the gonorrhea twins from eager beavers, watch out! i saw the naked one a couple weeks later wandering around phillies sports bar:

Ekspat
01-09-12, 14:36
Fair enough, when I was there early last month it was until 10, so they must have changed it for the New Year.Yeah, most likely.


Pony Tails: They have a great line up here, but I picked a dud.Picked #989 or so recently, forgot the name, performance okay.


Matrix Brawn: I went here multiple times but the best BBBJ I got here (and alas, of the entire trip) was from a 25 year old named Jhoan Jett-like the musician. She's got a tongue ring, a nice small ass and firm tits. Childless, which is rare on Perimeter. Go on Mondays when it's "no panty" day; I love it!Will check her out. For me still the best is Karen.


Candy Bar: Good line up at this bar, but you must go early to get the best girls. Barfine is 1100, I think the cheapest of all the bars I went to.In all these bars there and including Emotions you must be early. Because customers of Lewis Grand and ABC like to take them for afternoon ST.

Including me.

Mc Don
01-09-12, 16:12
Damn. That is a lot of fucking money. I didn't think it was even possible to spend $450 / day in PI. For instance I have an upcoming trip next month of 10 days to Manila, Coron, Cebu, and AC. I have planed to spend $1200. Hotels and diving $605. And $595 for other fun. Good thing I don't have to spend as much money to see the same girls happy or they would be some sad sad mfs.This is the third world where everything is possible. It depends on what you consider fun I guess, everything can be had for a price. I say whatever floats his boat, live and let live let him spend HIS cash the way he wants and you spend yours the way YOU want. I have seen people spend much much more then that, come to think of it I tend to spend that much in makati when I want to do multiple girls and have fun. As far as I am concerned power to the person that has more fun...

Mc Don
01-09-12, 16:27
Indeed, it is.

No worries, hehe. You around these days? PM or txt me.Europe and Australia for the next few months, I will be around April / may for a week in AC then Bellarocca for some diving and gf experiance. Check out the bar next to ABC going towards perimeter Cherry (or cherry something). It was closed few weeks ago when I was there but in the past it had some great young talent during the day.

Mc Don
01-09-12, 16:40
I'll go further. They are not all that attractive. Sometimes they complain: "No customer many days."2 per day MAX and that would be the hottest 2-3 girls in whole of santos. Rest get 1 a day if that. I agree with you most of them are lucky to have 2-3 bf a week. I think many people including myself look at santos girls as substandard and dirty for some reason. I have barfined few times, always had a good time but I can't bring myself to barfine a girl LT from there or go back often. Once a trip max usually during the day and mostly out of curiosity. Once I visit Santos for an hour or two I pick a girl and don't return there for the rest of the trip. The crowd that hangs around there is also way to feral for my liking. To cheap and often abusive to the point it ruins my experiance just observing or hearing what they do.

FruitNinja
01-10-12, 06:59
Hey guys,

I've done Cuba, Brazil, Costa Rica, Brazil, Russia, Ukraine and some here at home (USA) As of late I've been keeping a low profile for a number of reasons. In June or July I am planning a long trip to Asia. Where? Well thats my dilemma. Help!

I have about three weeks that I can take. I'm looking at Thailand, Philippines and some of the less traveled countries, Laos, Cambodia, Burma. Seems from what I've read that the smaller venues are hit or miss and not too easy for the first timer.

So what would you do if you had three weeks? Best bang for the buck? Is it worth going to two countries, or am I better off one country two places? I know this is the Philippines Forum but I'm guessing there's a few guys that have visited other places.

Best

Member #4698
01-10-12, 14:49
Hey guys,

In June or July I am planning a long trip to Asia. Where? Well thats my dilemma. Help! I have about three weeks that I can take. I'm looking at Thailand, Philippines and some of the less traveled countries, Laos, Cambodia, Burma. Seems from what I've read that the smaller venues are hit or miss and not too easy for the first timer.

So what would you do if you had three weeks? Best bang for the buck? Is it worth going to two countries, or am I better off one country two places? I know this is the Philippines Forum but I'm guessing there's a few guys that have visited other places. Best3 weeks is a good length of time for a cherry boy trip to South East Asia. I would recommend that you do not spread yourself out too thin and try to see it all. Nobody comes to Asia just once. Once you have tasted the fruit, you will return. Itineraries. As I see it there are two great ones: #1. BKK and Pat. #2. BKK, Pat and AC. Try plan # 2 and spend a week in each destination. It is a very good introduction. You will love it, guaranteed. Each place has its own distinctions and assets. Cebu Pacific has cheap flights from BKK direct into AC (Clark) and back. When you get back home don't forget to write a trip report. On your second trip you can revisit your favorite places from the first trip and then take in Phnom Penh if you want. Laos is not very good for mongering although it is a nice country to see. Burma ditto except the girl scene in Rangoon is a little better. Other more worthy destinations to consider later on are Cebu, Manila, Jakarta, Batam, HKG, CP and Macau. RTFF.

Sxxxx
01-11-12, 11:22
I .go to Forbidden City Bar and throw money from above. I just like seeing the girls happy. That's just me.Ha ha, so it was you! I was there and saw this slightly portly guy, maybe 5'8" or 5'9", leaning over the rail upstairs, pulling out slabs of notes and tossing them like confetti onto the girls on the stage down below. Pandemonium broke out, girls climbing up the pole to catch the notes before the girls down below on the stage could grab them, girls racing upstairs to join you and see if they could short circuit the system.

The thing I was concerned about what was the denomination, I thought they looked like P100 notes wafting down in the breeze. Second concern of mine was, it looked like you had a never ending supply of these notes. When was it going to stop? I gestimate around 200 notes in total were tossed down from above.

One thing I will never forget, the big grin on your face. You were one happy guy.

And here was I, tipping the waitress P20 when she brought me a drink, LOL.

Just Seven
01-11-12, 17:36
I am getting a little burnt on AC as I try to go about once a month. Still look forward to going but I want to broaden my horizons a little bit.

Not interested in Manila, but are there any other destinations that have affordable hotels (ABC / Lewis Grand quality at Pacific Breeze Price) and readily available mongering?

At the end of the day, I just want to get shit faced near water, whether its the ocean or a pool, next to a beautiful girl that will fuck me six ways from Sunday. The more I think about it, the more it sounds like AC is the right place. Just not excited about paying so much for a hotel! China has spoiled me in terms of quality vs cost on their hotels.

I am looking into other hotels for this trip. As I have been at the big 3 ABC Lewis and Wild Orchid. I have been at Pacific Breeze and Swiss Chalet as well, ABC is by far my favorite with a big gap then Wild Orchid / PacificBreeze / SwissChalet then another huge gap then Lewis Grand. If ABC and Wild Orchid were both booked and I had a choice between staying at lewis grand for half price or not going on the trip, I wouldn't go on the trip. The cost to value was just so out of whack when I went there. Though I am willing to give it another shot (the last time I stayed there, they had to move me to three different rooms due to various hardware issues!) if they comp me a night.

Heard the Clarkton got remodeled recently and that the new rooms are supposed to be pretty good. Someone also said great things of Geomania in terms of value.

And just to keep everyone on track and talking about tipping rather than girls / hotels / things to do in AC.

It works exactly like this:

If you have to ask how much to tip someone. You do not tip them.

Though I am sure this topic will be brought up again and again and again

Sammon
01-11-12, 23:32
Have you thought about Cambodia. Everything is cheap there and the girls are plentiful and pretty. You can get a high class hotel in Phnom Peng or cheap. As little as about $14. 00 a day at the Walk-About which is a smaller scale Hotel Del Rey. Plenty of bars / nightlife and you can take side trips to shot machine guns, go to the Killing Fields for some history, or a boat / plane ride to Angkor what which also has hotels and girls in Siem Reap. I think it's a place that you either love it or hate it. I love it there.Well, nothing beats AC for sheer number of bars and willing girls. AC from 10 years ago will not be the same now. Bar owners get smarter, girls get smarter, hotel owners get smarter and all are out to bilk the sex mongers.

One way or another. Gone are the days when the girls were from provinces went ga ga over meeting a foreigner who treated her better than local boyfriends and tips, gifts flowed just for opening pussy. In some caees they got sponsors sending them money.

Nowadays all girls learnt how to play their games with a foreigner. If they did not learn from themselves other girls teach them. Nowadays most girls have an attitude either in the bar or in the room. They are always thinking how to rip you off by way of tips with least amount of damage to their body.

We mongers are partly to blame for this situation. We kept corrupting them by giving them lots of money, taking them to expensive restaurents and treating them like girlfriends. Girls also learned not to trust mongers word as many mongers promised marriage, made babies and left them hanging etc.

AC is still a good place to visit and try to find that elusive gem who will fuck your brains out, be your girlfriend, discuss in english, make you feel like a king irrespective of your age. Not to mention even though the barfine price has gone up still cheap.

GreenBud
01-12-12, 00:02
Hey guys,

I've done Cuba, Brazil, Costa Rica, Brazil, Russia, Ukraine and some here at home (USA) As of late I've been keeping a low profile for a number of reasons. In June or July I am planning a long trip to Asia. Where? Well thats my dilemma. Help!

I have about three weeks that I can take. I'm looking at Thailand, Philippines and some of the less traveled countries, Laos, Cambodia, Burma. Seems from what I've read that the smaller venues are hit or miss and not too easy for the first timer.

So what would you do if you had three weeks? Best bang for the buck? Is it worth going to two countries, or am I better off one country two places? I know this is the Philippines Forum but I'm guessing there's a few guys that have visited other places.

BestI would do this assuming you are flying into Bangkok:


1) From Bangkok airport, take the bus or get a taxi (1000 Baht total from the taxi service that is recommended by posters here) to Pattaya.

Option: I would skip Bangkok, but that is an option.

2) From Pattaya, get a taxi to the airport (900 Baht) and fly to Phnom Penh on Air Asia.

Options: You can do Siem Reap and / or Snooky.

3) Take the 7 hour bus from Phnom Penh to Saigon on Mekong Express (approx $12). Read the forum and get yourself a $10 CIM BJ or $31 FS.

4) Take Cebu Pacific from Saigon to Clark (Angeles).

Options: You can do Manila (which I would skip) and / or Subic, Puerto Galera.

5) Take Cebu Pacific from Clark or Manila to Bangkok.

Bull Dozer
01-12-12, 01:58
I will be in AC on the 19th for the first time, , looking for someone to hangout with for mongering, please send me your phone # if you can. Thanks I hope you are having a good time.

Fast Eddie 48
01-12-12, 05:24
Have you thought about Cambodia. Everything is cheap there and the girls are plentiful and pretty. You can get a high class hotel in Phnom Peng or cheap. As little as about $14. 00 a day at the Walk-About which is a smaller scale Hotel Del Rey. Plenty of bars / nightlife and you can take side trips to shot machine guns, go to the Killing Fields for some history, or a boat / plane ride to Angkor what which also has hotels and girls in Siem Reap. I think it's a place that you either love it or hate it. I love it there.To Vielendank

Yes PP is cheaper than AC but it is a bigger shit hole than AC, now AC have a mall and you ca go to Manila short bus ride and you need a visa to go to PP, girl in PP don't speak any english not as GF as girl in AC yes 10 yr ago the viet girl is pretty but no any more quality his gone down hill mostly Khmer now.

Fast Eddie 48

Mr Enternational
01-12-12, 06:16
I would do this assuming you are flying into Bangkok:

1) From Bangkok airport, take the bus or get a taxi (1000 Baht total from the taxi service that is recommended by posters here) to Pattaya.

Option: I would skip Bangkok, but that is an option.

2) From Pattaya, get a taxi to the airport (900 Baht) and fly to Phnom Penh on Air Asia.

Options: You can do Siem Reap and / or Snooky.

3) Take the 7 hour bus from Phnom Penh to Saigon on Mekong Express (approx $12). Read the forum and get yourself a $10 CIM BJ or $31 FS.

4) Take Cebu Pacific from Saigon to Clark (Angeles).

Options: You can do Manila (which I would skip) and / or Subic, Puerto Galera.

5) Take Cebu Pacific from Clark or Manila to Bangkok.Great itinerary GB. I had planned to go Cambodia in March and to Vietnam for diving next month but decided to skip Vietnam for diving in PI instead. Some of my plans for the week before that just fell through so I am seriously thinking about doing #s 2 & 3 now. But my #4 would be continuing on to Manila where I have already booked a flight from there to Coron. I don't know about the 7 hour bus ride on #3 though. I just looked up the flights. From BKK to PP on Air Asia is $79 for the 1 hour flight. For PP to Ho Chi Minh from Cambodia Angor Air I got this message,"The booking feature is stopped working for maintenance. Please try again few days later." And Vietnam Air wants $170 for the 45 minute flight. That is twice as much as my 3 hour return from Clark to BKK. I will definitely figure something out so I can kill the two Cambodia and Vietnam birds with one stone and have all of March to stay home in Pattaya.

FreebieFan
01-12-12, 09:34
AC hotels. The fame of AC is spreading far and wide, and its now being used as name by a hotel brand. But no you can't redeem your Marriott points in AC just yet.

http://news.marriott.com/2011/01/new-ac-hotels-by-marriott-brand-formally-launches-joint-venture-aims-for-aggressive-growth-in-europe.html

GreenBud
01-12-12, 12:19
4) Take Cebu Pacific from Saigon to Clark (Angeles).Oops.

Cebu Pacific from Saigon goes to Manila. You can get a taxi from your Angeles hotel (approx 2600 pesos) to take you to Angeles.


I don't know about the 7 hour bus ride on #3 though.

I hate that 7 hour bus ride, but I do it to be able to get 7 extra girls from Martinis (170 plane - 12 bus= $158 saved) = (7 girls x 20+2 tip = $154)

FruitNinja
01-12-12, 13:05
Guys,

Appreciate all the information and recommendations.

Reading the Pataya Forum there seems a little bit of concern about safety. I'm well traveled so not a big concern but who needs it. Is Pataya that much better than BKK? And if it is how is it better. Price point? GFE Quotient? Hotel prices? I'm not big on beach and read that the beach isn't that good anyway but there is something more relaxed about a beach town.

Angeles City, how does it compare to Pataya? Amount of girls? GFE Quotient, In general seems cheaper than BKK or Pataya but what about the peripheral costs, hotel, food, and what about general life experience. Is it a dump? Is there anything else to do other than girls? I mean a little regular tourism is good.

Off the beaten track: Cambodia? Is it navigable for a Asia first timer? How wild west is it? Plenty of girls? I'm very drawn to the look of the Viet girls but seems that the Viet Forum is slow. Is that an indicator that the action is slow and / or hard to come by?

In general why can I expect for weather that time of the year?

Thanks again for humoring me.

PIpimp
01-12-12, 19:39
Ha ha, so it was you! I was there and saw this slightly portly guy, maybe 5'8" or 5'9", leaning over the rail upstairs, pulling out slabs of notes and tossing them like confetti onto the girls on the stage down below. Pandemonium broke out, girls climbing up the pole to catch the notes before the girls down below on the stage could grab them, girls racing upstairs to join you and see if they could short circuit the system.

The thing I was concerned about what was the denomination, I thought they looked like P100 notes wafting down in the breeze. Second concern of mine was, it looked like you had a never ending supply of these notes. When was it going to stop? I gestimate around 200 notes in total were tossed down from above.

One thing I will never forget, the big grin on your face. You were one happy guy.

And here was I, tipping the waitress P20 when she brought me a drink, LOL.I don't know if the guy you saw was me or not. I'm a black guy. I was there with 3 girls. And I was tossing 500 and 1000 peso notes.

PIpimp
01-12-12, 19:44
I leaning toward the belief that PIPimps post is bullshit. It's either reckless or stupid behavior just to see the girls happy. Not like they will give 2 shits about you once your gone. Your a number to them, not a person. I think there might be a self esteem issue involved. Kind of like these little asshole guys that drive monster trucks. It's to make up for something else that's lacking. If you really did do that I'm sure you know the girls think your incredibly stupid and a sucker. But hey, it's your choice.Vielendank, one thing I don't do is bullshit! Take a trip with me if you want! I'm not a sucker! I don't think the girls care about me. I just have the money to blow and I like seeing the girls happy! I use to live there at Clark when my dad was stationed there, so I know a LOT of the Filipina woman! Don't judge me dude!

PIpimp
01-12-12, 19:48
I leaning toward the belief that PIPimps post is bullshit. It's either reckless or stupid behavior just to see the girls happy. Not like they will give 2 shits about you once your gone. Your a number to them, not a person. I think there might be a self esteem issue involved. Kind of like these little asshole guys that drive monster trucks. It's to make up for something else that's lacking. If you really did do that I'm sure you know the girls think your incredibly stupid and a sucker. But hey, it's your choice.And Vielendank, if you want proof, go to Alaska Bar, ask the waitress name Beth or Daddy Jerry how much I was spending!

Everybody ain't got the same finances and everybody's not on a cheap budget when they go to the PI.

PIpimp
01-12-12, 19:52
This is the third world where everything is possible. It depends on what you consider fun I guess, everything can be had for a price. I say whatever floats his boat, live and let live let him spend HIS cash the way he wants and you spend yours the way YOU want. I have seen people spend much much more then that, come to think of it I tend to spend that much in makati when I want to do multiple girls and have fun. As far as I am concerned power to the person that has more fun.And everyone's not broke and on a budget! There was a dude in Insomnia Bar that spent $7,000 when I was in there! I saw it! He was pulling ringing the bell every 20 minutes and buying EVERYONE in the bar drinks. The girls said he was some business man from Europe!

Sxxxx
01-12-12, 23:52
I don't know if the guy you saw was me or not. I'm a black guy. I was there with 3 girls. And I was tossing 500 and 1000 peso notes.Yeh, not you, guy I saw throwing P100 notes x about 200 of them was a white guy, and on his own.

Mamasan at Forbidden City, told me of a Russian guy who visits many bars on any one night, including Forbidden City, dropping P5000 to P15, 000 at each and every bar. He had personal security who held money bag for him. For sure, he was enjoying himself. Was also busy trying to buy up all the bra's at Forbidden City, walking on the crowded stage in amongst girls, giving them P300 for each bra, hanging bra's around his neck as he progressed through the pack. Succeeded in buying bra and bikini bottom with one looker too. That night, lots of girls on stage were very drunk, courtesy of the Russian guy.

Member #4698
01-13-12, 01:51
PIpimp,

Let me start this conversation by saying I am no cheapster. On a typical 45 day trip to south East Asia I spend time in Hong Kong and Macau which are no low cost destinations. I like to frequent high end BKK soapy massage parlors, but I also like the friendly girl next door gone bad action that is AC. I generously tip girls only for very good service rendered. I pay whatever the going rate is for local pussy as long as I find it attractive, sexy, and willing to show me a good time. I never think about how much an evening is going to cost, that would spoil things. On the other hand, I just can't see the point of simply throwing money around like it doesn't mean a thing. I have been rich, poor, and now at last financially sound. I know the value of money because I have been without it and I respect it.

So I am interested; what does your spending buy you aside from the entertainment value you get from seeing all the smiles and watching the girls go mad chasing those pesos you literally through at them. Does it make you feel big or powerful? I know they must treat you very, very, well in the bar and whenever you return to the bar where you created the pandemonium, but don't they expect you to do it again and again and again? What if you don't feel like creating a performance on a particular night, what is the reaction then? You see, this is not my thing. I don't get off on making girls behave like trained seals, but if this is what turns you on, go for it. In truth, it is no worse than what most of us do, just a little different.

I am more interested in the sexual responses you get from the girls. Do they shag you in the bar? Are two or three girls giving you simultaneous BJ's in the bar? Do you EWR 3 or 4 girls at a time? I assume you are choosing the hottest girls in any bar you go to, but do you think they are giving you extraordinary bang for the peso? I mean more service than say I would receive from the same girl(s) on another night? Do your girls go anal? Do they get into lesbian play? The real question is what is your marginal rate of return for all that excess cash you are throwing around. Give us a field report on one of your average nights, then we will be able to tell if you are a player or just a crazy guy who likes to throw away money and gets off on making girls jump through hoops.

WestCoast1
01-13-12, 02:22
I was there with 3 girls. And I was tossing 500 and 1000 peso notes.Toss them at me hahaha (the money OR the girls).

Stroker Ace88
01-13-12, 02:23
I was there with 3 girls. And I was tossing 500 and 1000 peso notes.
one thing I don't do is bullshit! Take a trip with me if you want! I'm not a sucker! I don't think the girls care about me. I just have the money to blow and I like seeing the girls happy! I use to live there at Clark when my dad was stationed there, so I know a LOT of the Filipina woman! Don't judge me dude!
if you want proof, go to Alaska Bar, ask the waitress name Beth or Daddy Jerry how much I was spending!

Everybody ain't got the same finances and everybody's not on a cheap budget when they go to the PI.
And everyone's not broke and on a budget! There was a dude in Insomnia Bar that spent $7,000 when I was in there! I saw it! He was pulling ringing the bell every 20 minutes and buying EVERYONE in the bar drinks. The girls said he was some business man from Europe!First, welcome to the board.

Second, multiple posts in a row from the same member without a reply is a big NO-NO. You could have expressed your thoughts all wrapped up in one or two posts. What you posted is basically the same thought.

Lastly, the subject of money or personal wealth is a lose-lose subject. The funny thing about money is, there is always someone with more of it than you, and someone with less than you. There are members on the forum who have 7 or even 8 figures when it comes to personal wealth, and some who live on a fixed or limited budget. Yet the common bond we share is finding and enjoying the company of beautiful women for the purpose of sexual fulfillment. Be they pros, semi-pros, casual encounters, GF's or more serious longer term relationships.

The fact that two (or more) members can meet up in a bar or coffee shop half-way around the World and enjoy a drink together, go bar hoping or just sit and exchange info and ideas without ever getting into who makes more money seems to be beyond you.

If you think you will be welcomed with open arms when your initial posts have a decidedly condescending attitude filled with lots of exclamation marks, you thought wrong. Like I said, welcome to the board.

FreebieFan
01-13-12, 02:53
Lastly, the subject of money or personal wealth is a lose-lose subject. The funny thing about money is, there is always someone with more of it than you, and someone with less than you. There are members on the forum who have 7 or even 8 figures when it comes to personal wealth, and some who live on a fixed or limited budget. Yet the common bond we share is finding and enjoying the company of beautiful women for the purpose of sexual fulfillment. Be they pros, semi-pros, casual encounters, GF's or more serious longer term relationships.

The fact that two (or more) members can meet up in a bar or coffee shop half-way around the World and enjoy a drink together, go bar hoping or just sit and exchange info and ideas without ever getting into who makes more money seems to be beyond you.Have been a board member for past 6 or 7 years plus and this is one of the most sensible posts I have seen here!

Jack James
01-13-12, 03:27
Hi guys,

Just to add on the subject of tipping or throwing money it is up to the person how they behave there lets face it we go to a. See to have a good time and let our hair down to party I remember when I took my friend pinball wizard there the first time he had the time of is life in a club called nasty duck this poor guy married 14 years then split with the ex first time in the Philippines he bar fined 7 girls from the club and he spent around $2000 aussie then funny thing the next day he took them all for breakfast he now travels to a. See 4 times a year he throws his money around but as he says no point being the riches man in a grave I live by that moto now we will be there on the 4th feb anyone wants to monger with us for a night or 2 drop us a line.

Red Kilt
01-13-12, 04:05
. <SNIP

I am more interested in the sexual responses you get from the girls. Do they shag you in the bar? Are two or three girls giving you simultaneous BJ's in the bar? Do you EWR 3 or 4 girls at a time? I assume you are choosing the hottest girls in any bar you go to, but do you think they are giving you extraordinary bang for the peso? I mean more service than say I would receive from the same girl (s) on another night? Do your girls go anal? Do they get into lesbian play? The real question is what is your marginal rate of return for all that excess cash you are throwing around. Give us a field report on one of your average nights, then we will be able to tell if you are a player or just a crazy guy who likes to throw away money and gets off on making girls jump through hoops.There are numerous guys who come to places like the Philippines and who spend a lot of money in various entertainment venues but do not have any sort of sexual contact with the girls.

A good example that I know about first hand is a large group of Middle Eastern businessmen who frequent a mate's bar late at night and who can spend at least $8000 USD per night once a week on drinks and tips for his most attractive girls. Multiple bottles of top grade scotch and single malts.

Tips range between 5000 and 10, 000 php for each girl. All they need to do is keep the guys company and pour their drinks etc. They never barfine.

My point is that not everyone comes here as a low budget monger or even a medium-budget monger. Consequently, if PiP wants to throw money around then he can.

Having said that, I agree with everyone else that if I did the sort of thing that PiPimp does I would not be boasting about it on ISG. It will only draw the sort of ridicule that others have levelled at him.

Red Kilt
01-13-12, 06:37
I think when all's said and done we agree on 99% of the opinions here but some people have just lost their damn minds! It's just my opinion, I could be wrong.I do not barfine but I periodically join some friends and we have a bit of a Manila barhop and buy some drinks for many girls too.

I certainly am not gay, but I understand your cultural explanation too from the M E perspective.

However, many of my friends also do not barfine, are not gay, but spend a lot of time in various bars spending large amounts of cash.

I guess some guys here would take issue with us as they would consider we are supporting the "drink ****" mentality of the girls.

Just another variable in the equations of mongering.

PIpimp
01-13-12, 10:24
First, welcome to the board.

Second, multiple posts in a row from the same member without a reply is a big NO-NO. You could have expressed your thoughts all wrapped up in one or two posts. What you posted is basically the same thought.

Lastly, the subject of money or personal wealth is a lose-lose subject. The funny thing about money is, there is always someone with more of it than you, and someone with less than you. There are members on the forum who have 7 or even 8 figures when it comes to personal wealth, and some who live on a fixed or limited budget. Yet the common bond we share is finding and enjoying the company of beautiful women for the purpose of sexual fulfillment. Be they pros, semi-pros, casual encounters, GF's or more serious longer term relationships.

The fact that two (or more) members can meet up in a bar or coffee shop half-way around the World and enjoy a drink together, go bar hoping or just sit and exchange info and ideas without ever getting into who makes more money seems to be beyond you.

If you think you will be welcomed with open arms when your initial posts have a decidedly condescending attitude filled with lots of exclamation marks, you thought wrong. Like I said, welcome to the board.Cheap Charlies are always angry at people that spend a lot or seem to blow money to them. If they had as much money as the person they are criticizing maybe they would be spending the same amount of money too. How can anyone criticize anyone else the way they spend THEIR money? If some guy wants to tip a girl 300 peso after banging her all night, that's his choice and if I want to tip the girl 1, 000, that's my choice. The PI is so cheap. Cheap women, cheap drinks and food. And then someone says tipping a girl 1, 000 is too much. Damn, people are always trying to get something as cheap as they can get it. Barfine is $33 for a girl for 24 hours! Travel the world and compare that price! I'm in Japan and just a CBJ only is about $70!

GoodEnough
01-13-12, 11:52
Wow! I hadn't read this thread for a couple of days, and it seems that war is imminent. My point of view at the moment might be tempered by the fact that I'm sitting on my living room in Davao, reveling in the fact that it's Friday, and sipping a well-decanted Super Tuscan Cabernet, so I'm mellowed out and relaxed, which may be the reason why I don't understand why we can't accept PIpimp's post at face vaue. He does what makes him happy. I, and I assume most guys who write here, do what makes us happy, which is not the same for everyone. So what? Why is that a problem? Like Red Kilt, I've got friends whom I've witnessed throwing out hundreds of dollars in a given night on Burgos without ever barfining anyone. These guys are not gay and not remotely weird-they just enjoy the company of young women and enjoy surrounding themselves with same. I know happily married guys here, faithful to their wives / girlfriends who hit the bars to socialize with mates, look at the girls and hang out. There's no sex involved, but they have fun, so what's the issue? I know guys who routinely go to MBC just to observe the scene, and who never leave with anyone. They merely enjoy the whole semi-sleazy atmosphere once and a while. Again, what's the problem?

The fact is that not everyonne who comes here, and / or reads this thread is after endless sexual experiences, and that's fine. This country can satisfy a wide range of desired experiences and experienced desires to suit an equally broad range of tastes.

GE

Philosophery
01-13-12, 11:56
Very well said GoodEnough. Life is too short to be judging people all the time. Be Happy! Enjoy the Phils. Its a great place to have fun.


Wow! I hadn't read this thread for a couple of days, and it seems that war is imminent. My point of view at the moment might be tempered by the fact that I'm sitting on my living room in Davao, reveling in the fact that it's Friday, and sipping a well-decanted Super Tuscan Cabernet, so I'm mellowed out and relaxed, which may be the reason why I don't understand why we can't accept PIpimp's post at face vaue. He does what makes him happy. I, and I assume most guys who write here, do what makes us happy, which is not the same for everyone. So what? Why is that a problem? Like Red Kilt, I've got friends whom I've witnessed throwing out hundreds of dollars in a given night on Burgos without ever barfining anyone. These guys are not gay and not remotely weird-they just enjoy the company of young women and enjoy surrounding themselves with same. I know happily married guys here, faithful to their wives / girlfriends who hit the bars to socialize with mates, look at the girls and hang out. There's no sex involved, but they have fun, so what's the issue? I know guys who routinely go to MBC just to observe the scene, and who never leave with anyone. They merely enjoy the whole semi-sleazy atmosphere once and a while. Again, what's the problem?

The fact is that not everyonne who comes here, and / or reads this thread is after endless sexual experiences, and that's fine. This country can satisfy a wide range of desired experiences and experienced desires to suit an equally broad range of tastes.

GE

Carlos3000
01-13-12, 19:59
It's your arrogance that offends people not your spending habits. I still can't comprehend why you think people are cheap just because they aren't reckless with their money. There is a big difference between sitting down at a table, having a pretty girl / s with you, and spending lots of money on good wine / champagne / meals and "throwing money from the rafters" or however you put it just so you can see the girls chase the money like vultures to a kill. It's condescending and is an insult to the girls. Your not doing them any favors. All you do by throwing money like that is expose how desperate they are instead of treating them with a little respect. There's a difference between having generous spending habits while enjoying life and openly flaunting what you claim to have. I'm guessing you just cashed a couple unemployment checks and wanted to have one night of fun. Reminds me of the liquor stores when the welfare checks hit. All I'm saying is you can spend as much as you want but you should do it in a classy way that isn't demeaning. If you don't understand that concept they you don't have near the life experience that you claim to have and you have zero social graces.Vielendank,

I think that you have made your point and should move on. I'm not one to flame but you are playing it very close to the edge when you start making references to "unemployment checks" and "welfare checks." These are code words used in the US to denigrate a particular ethnic group. You have never met PIpimp and do not know him well yet you make these assumptions about him. Let's get back to discussing AC and the pleasures it has to offer.

Slippery
01-13-12, 20:56
And for 1, 000 php or even less she can arrange for a murder. Do you know how many poreigners have been murdered in the Philippines lately. Its contagious. Don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the wrong girl.

Jorian
01-13-12, 23:34
And for 1, 000 php or even less she can arrange for a murder. Do you know how many poreigners have been murdered in the Philippines lately. Its contagious. Don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the wrong girl.This maybe a little off-topic, but actually, I do know how many foreigners have been murdered lately because I've been doing a little research before my 1st trip to PI (Angel City particularly has a bad rap underservingly). But from reading some of these posts here & elsewhere, I'd get the impression that PI is a jungle-state where its poorer denizens is hiding at every dark corner, ready to pounce on you, rob / split your foreigner skull just for a few American dollars. I know that it is better to be safe than sorry but I think some of is just paranoia, in fact, downright irresponsible.

Foreigners being killed in ANY country is big news and you will hear about it on CNN for days. Even the corruptible government can't hide this because every embassy in the free world country will know if any of its citizens went missing. Taking into account the latest homicide statistics (2004-2010) , PI, particularly Angeles City, is safer than most modern city in the world. PI actually has lower murder rate per capita than Thailand and even USA according to these latest figures:

Murders per 100, 000 population.

Philippines: 4. 3

Thailand: 8. 5

USA: 6. 3

Angeles City: 5. 3.

Amsterdam: 7. 7.

Los Angeles: 12. 6.

Detroit: 41. 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_rate

http://www.angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=297

Yes we can all cherry pick figures to suit our arguments but the fact is, these hardcore statistics are much more reliable than some of these fear-stoking stereotypes that even had me second guessing about the safety about my coming trip. If logic and stats do not prevail, my years of living in many countries tells me that the perception of criminal vulnerability in PI is mostly BS. Not to throw caution in the wind, I know that criminal violence can occur anytime and sometimes there is little you can do about it but I've lived enough places to know some of these fear-mongers must be living in caves (caves can be dangerous too). Some background: I use live in Oakland CA for 6 years where homicide occurs on the daily basis (if my math is correct, approximately 30 murders per 100, 000 population. About 6 times worse than Angeles City). I lived in a really bad neighborhood and couple of times even lurked out 2 am in the morning. Maybe I was lucky or naive or both, but I survived that without a scratch (But if I were a outsider reading the news, I'd think Oakland is a war zone and aptly so with its murder rates). Not to say I've never experienced violence, I have several occasions, and it didn't happen in a 'statistically unsafe' environment, in fact, I did have my truck stolen once in a good neighborhood (the kind with public schools full of rich white kids). I remembered also while I was a teenager in a upper-class neighborhood (Cerritos CA) and you know what? I was surrounded and beat up by bunch of local teenagers simply because I was a minority, not because of my money. Since, I've been to Thailand, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, China and there are definitely places in each country that I felt 'unsafe' but in reality, nothing ever happened to me in my trips, to this day.

I'm not trying to defend Philippines, but lets be realistic here. Just go search Angeles City's criminal archive for past year (I did). From my brief research, AC was averaging about 2 murders every month (including foreigners) for year 2011. And its criminal activity isn't out of ordinary compared to some of the nicest city in the developed world. Any crime is bad but really, stop with the negative generalizations & insinuations just because the places some mongers (or non-mongers) visit in PI can be a shithole, the point is it doesn't mean you are MORE likely to be a victim of crime because the people are poor. Yes there are some poor countries that are outright dangerous, but PI just isn't one of them. Maybe the problem is people equate 'Developed world and all its modern convenience' with safety. Yes PI police can be corrupt and pros can scam you, JUST LIKE ANY prostitutes and police in the developed world. But like I said, the image of safety is all a facade. As nice as Thailand was, I felt unsafe at times and even Singapore when I inadvertently ventured into a ghetto section. But I blame that on being unfamiliar with the area. The point is, no matter where you live, if you live there long enough, you will be a victim of crime. Another way to look at it for me is: I'm more likely to be a victim of crime in USA than all the places in the world I've been to. If these statistics doesn't convince me, my personal experience sure verifies it. Of course I'll go to PI and practice safety precautions, like I would ANY new country, but I'm going there without prejudice and with my thinking cap (both) on. So I think people should stop piling on PI's safety record, if they have too much time on their hand, maybe they should start warning people about not going to Detroit.

Chocha Monger
01-13-12, 23:44
There is no need to insult. PIPimp's behavior might be contradictory to his name. Pimps don't throw money at hoes. In fact, that would be considered fucking up the game and tricking. However, no one frequenting bars in AC is any better than the others. Regardless of how much money spent, or not, all visitors to the bar are there to buy sex or attention from girls driven by poverty to sell their asses and affections to men who find it difficult or impossible to obtain these things from women in their home countries. Face it, rich handsome young men do not visit The Anus of Southeast Asia to fuck poor hoes, buy them lady drinks or sit with them. The issue is whether tricks should tip or not and how it affects service, if at all, not the socioeconomic status of any one individual john.

Sxxxx
01-14-12, 03:20
The fact that two (or more) members can meet up in a bar or coffee shop half-way around the World and enjoy a drink together, go bar hoping or just sit and exchange info and ideas without ever getting into who makes more money seems to be beyond you.To be fair to the guy, I don't think he ever said he earns more money than us, or has more money than us, he just said he saves up hard, comes to Phils and blows 'x' amount on average per night.

FruitNinja
01-14-12, 04:42
I posted this and got no response.

Itineraries.

Guys,

Appreciate all the information and recommendations.

Reading the Pataya Forum there seems a little bit of concern about safety. I'm well traveled so not a big concern but who needs it. Is Pataya that much better than BKK? And if it is how is it better. Price point? GFE Quotient? Hotel prices? I'm not big on beach and read that the beach isn't that good anyway but there is something more relaxed about a beach town.

Angeles City, how does it compare to Pataya? Amount of girls? GFE Quotient, In general seems cheaper than BKK or Pataya but what about the peripheral costs, hotel, food, and what about general life experience. Is it a dump? Is there anything else to do other than girls? I mean a little regular tourism is good.

Off the beaten track: Cambodia? Is it navigable for a Asia first timer? How wild west is it? Plenty of girls? I'm very drawn to the look of the Viet girls but seems that the Viet Forum is slow. Is that an indicator that the action is slow and / or hard to come by?

In general why can I expect for weather that time of the year?

Thanks again for humoring me.

Sxxxx
01-14-12, 10:38
I posted this and got no response.

Itineraries.

Guys,

Appreciate all the information and recommendations.

Reading the Pataya Forum there seems a little bit of concern about safety. I'm well traveled so not a big concern but who needs it. Is Pataya that much better than BKK? And if it is how is it better. Price point? GFE Quotient? Hotel prices? I'm not big on beach and read that the beach isn't that good anyway but there is something more relaxed about a beach town.

Angeles City, how does it compare to Pataya? Amount of girls? GFE Quotient, In general seems cheaper than BKK or Pataya but what about the peripheral costs, hotel, food, and what about general life experience. Is it a dump? Is there anything else to do other than girls? I mean a little regular tourism is good.

Off the beaten track: Cambodia? Is it navigable for a Asia first timer? How wild west is it? Plenty of girls? I'm very drawn to the look of the Viet girls but seems that the Viet Forum is slow. Is that an indicator that the action is slow and / or hard to come by?

In general why can I expect for weather that time of the year?

Thanks again for humoring me.Well, your not humouring us.

Place the Pattaya and Cambodia questions in their relevant threads for starters. This is the Angeles thread. And as for Angeles, it has all been written and informed on this very same thread before. The reason you have had no answers is cause people don't like your questions for reasons I just stated. Put more effort in, and you might get more out, that is, responses. Lazy people get lazy results. Read the relevant threads before asking such broad questions.

Mc Don
01-14-12, 13:55
I posted this and got no response.

Itineraries.

Guys,

Appreciate all the information and recommendations.

Reading the Pataya Forum there seems a little bit of concern about safety. I'm well traveled so not a big concern but who needs it. Is Pataya that much better than BKK? And if it is how is it better. Price point? GFE Quotient? Hotel prices? I'm not big on beach and read that the beach isn't that good anyway but there is something more relaxed about a beach town.

Angeles City, how does it compare to Pataya? Amount of girls? GFE Quotient, In general seems cheaper than BKK or Pataya but what about the peripheral costs, hotel, food, and what about general life experience. Is it a dump? Is there anything else to do other than girls? I mean a little regular tourism is good.

Off the beaten track: Cambodia? Is it navigable for a Asia first timer? How wild west is it? Plenty of girls? I'm very drawn to the look of the Viet girls but seems that the Viet Forum is slow. Is that an indicator that the action is slow and / or hard to come by?

In general why can I expect for weather that time of the year?

Thanks again for humoring me.Maybe you should RTFF. We have discussed AC vs Pattaya god knows how many times here. Search the forum.

LOL at Pattaya being better the BKK. One is a city of 10 mil the other of half a mil if that. Again RTFF there, I suggest you spend at least few days in BKK. BKK is far more expensive. GFE in Thailand is no longer what it use to be this goes for both BKK or Patt. If you are not into the beach and nightlife / shopping is your thing BKK is far more entertaining.

AC imo has same if not more girls then Pattaya (per mongorer in town) , GFE is much better, peripheral costs are more expensive and its a dump. There are few tourist things to do in AC but you won't get to them as you will fall for the typical mongoring lifestyle in AC where you just fuck, eat, drink and sleep.

If first time in Asia, forget Cambodia, stick to Thailand and Phils. If you have cash to burn and you want to sample variaty maybe add HK, Singapore or Macao. You will find other asians there and you can do tourist things during the day.

FruitNinja
01-14-12, 16:18
Maybe you should RTFF. We have discussed AC vs Pattaya god knows how many times here. Search the forum.

LOL at Pattaya being better the BKK. One is a city of 10 mil the other of half a mil if that. Again RTFF there, I suggest you spend at least few days in BKK. BKK is far more expensive. GFE in Thailand is no longer what it use to be this goes for both BKK or Patt. If you are not into the beach and nightlife / shopping is your thing BKK is far more entertaining.

AC imo has same if not more girls then Pattaya (per mongorer in town) , GFE is much better, peripheral costs are more expensive and its a dump. There are few tourist things to do in AC but you won't get to them as you will fall for the typical mongoring lifestyle in AC where you just fuck, eat, drink and sleep.

If first time in Asia, forget Cambodia, stick to Thailand and Phils. If you have cash to burn and you want to sample variaty maybe add HK, Singapore or Macao. You will find other asians there and you can do tourist things during the day.McDon,

Thanks for the good suggestions. BTW: I have been reading the f*king forum, problem is you have to wade through a lot of the same sh*t that I tried to stop with my post. Odd to me that a forum war is somewhat more acceptable than a discourse about traveling internationally for sex. No offense to anyone but at times its the internationalflameforum. And therein lies the problem. One can spend endless hours searching through endless posts and get little relevant information but a little reading and then some specific questions and you have what you're looking for.

Now it might be easy for a guy thats been traveling and reading the forum for years but trust me for someone thats new to forums it is not, and I'm a smart and successful guy. Not everyone gathers information the same way. I manage people and delegate gathering certain information and then I question them to come to an understanding of the subject at hand. If you look at my two posts I did not just sigh up and instantaneously post a question. Since I can't have one of my employees read this for me I did it, and have questions, and asked the people that I thought might have the answers. There might be other guys that are lurking that might have the same questions yet are not able or wiling to question.

So RTFF is cute and all but aren't we here to help each other? Let's talk pursuit of punani (sp) Put a smile on faces. I'm intrigued by your HK, Singapore or Macao comment. How much more? Percentage wise? I do like the idea of getting cultured during the day and getting screwed at night.

Mr Enternational
01-14-12, 16:44
Maybe you should RTFF. We have discussed AC vs Pattaya god knows how many times here.We have discussed it so many times that I asked Jackson to make a thread for it after that post. Still no response yet though.

FruitNinja
01-14-12, 17:33
we have discussed it so many times that i asked jackson to make a thread for it after that post. still no response yet though.i'm not trying to be argumentative but is it really more interesting to discuss races issues or how much money someone has to throw at working girls?

maybe a specific section would be good. not everyone has been here forever and has years of knowledge on se asia. maybe what's needed more is a separate section for the guys that are pros so they won't be bothered by us newbies talking about what we thought the forums were for. exchange of information. everyone is an expert, nobody was ever a newbie, and few have patience for the new guy. i used to be on another forum that is now pretty much garbage just for that reason. isn't the definition of forum experts and newbies discussing a subject? the spread of knowledge? i don't know but if i were jackson i think i would want the new guy, thats the heart of the site. no new guys: eventually no site. guys drop, get married, stop mongering, stop living.

so i think i the newbie question bothers yo don't answer. but "rtff" is not productive in anyway. if every time i or someone asked a question we got that answer do you think when it comes trim to register they would?

now i can tell you how to f*k 18-25 year olds in the usa (i'm 54) all day long. real gfe and inexperienced. it's become a little harder lately but can still be done. you have to have some bank and patience but i've been doing it for years.

sorry for the speech but i've seen boards fail for a number of reasons and thesis one of them. realistically most of this info is available on the net, the difference here is you can ask question. yes sometimes they are stupid, over asked, but sh*t, not everyone is an experienced monger.

peace and pussy to ya,

WestCoast1
01-14-12, 19:17
Murders per 100, 000 population.

Philippines: 4. 3

Angeles City: 5. 3.

Los Angeles: 12. 6.

Detroit: 41. 4.

So I think people should stop piling on PI's safety record, if they have too much time on their hand, maybe they should start warning people about not going to Detroit.The Motor City. Hockeytown. MURDER CAPITAL.

Hahaha.

Stroker Ace88
01-14-12, 20:06
To be fair to the guy, I don't think he ever said he earns more money than us, or has more money than us, he just said he saves up hard, comes to Phils and blows 'x' amount on average per night.
If they had as much money as the person they are criticizing maybe they would be spending the same amount of money too.You stand corrected. Sure sounds like a generalized condescending statement to me."PIP' has no clue how much money I or any other member here has. Usually when someone brags about the size of there wallet, all they have is show money. Guys with real wealth keep a low profile in the Philippines for obvious reasons.

Personally I could care less if someone spends 100p. 1000p or 100000p per night. It's none of my business. I only made it my business when talked down to. Furthermore my reply to 'PIP' was a fair and balanced response meant to enlighten, but clearly had little effect.

Stroker Ace88
01-14-12, 20:27
I posted this and got no response.

Reading the Pataya Forum there seems a little bit of concern about safety. I'm well traveled so not a big concern but who needs it. Is Pataya that much better than BKK? And if it is how is it better. Price point? GFE Quotient? Hotel prices? I'm not big on beach and read that the beach isn't that good anyway but there is something more relaxed about a beach town.

Angeles City, how does it compare to Pataya? Amount of girls? GFE Quotient, In general seems cheaper than BKK or Pataya but what about the peripheral costs, hotel, food, and what about general life experience. Is it a dump? Is there anything else to do other than girls? I mean a little regular tourism is good.

Off the beaten track: Cambodia? Is it navigable for a Asia first timer? How wild west is it? Plenty of girls? I'm very drawn to the look of the Viet girls but seems that the Viet Forum is slow. Is that an indicator that the action is slow and / or hard to come by?

In general why can I expect for weather that time of the year?No one replied to you because you were a bad boy and you did not take the time to RTFF. You asked questions that were very broad in scope and opinion based. You need to RTFF and ask specific questions about topics that were not covered recently and post them in the correct thread.

ThatGuy865
01-14-12, 21:48
I posted this and got no response.

Itineraries.

Guys,

Appreciate all the information and recommendations.

Reading the Pataya Forum there seems a little bit of concern about safety. I'm well traveled so not a big concern but who needs it. Is Pataya that much better than BKK? And if it is how is it better. Price point? GFE Quotient? Hotel prices? I'm not big on beach and read that the beach isn't that good anyway but there is something more relaxed about a beach town.

Angeles City, how does it compare to Pataya? Amount of girls? GFE Quotient, In general seems cheaper than BKK or Pataya but what about the peripheral costs, hotel, food, and what about general life experience. Is it a dump? Is there anything else to do other than girls? I mean a little regular tourism is good.

Off the beaten track: Cambodia? Is it navigable for a Asia first timer? How wild west is it? Plenty of girls? I'm very drawn to the look of the Viet girls but seems that the Viet Forum is slow. Is that an indicator that the action is slow and / or hard to come by?

In general why can I expect for weather that time of the year?

Thanks again for humoring me.The reason no one is answering. You are asking question about so many different countries. And so many question about each.

This is an AC thread. So only questions pertaining to AC should be asked. That's first thing

Secondly. Those who know Thailand vs PI. Have gone over and over that question. Sorry you are a newbie. But its posted thousands of times on this thread. A little research and its easy to find.

Also it is an opinionated question. Some find AC a dump. Others like the dump. Some find it to be boring with nothing to do besides monger. Others do not need or desire other activities. Others are happy with the few options that do exist. So it all depends what tourist activities you desire. Be specific. So you mean cultural things. Museums and the like, do you mean active things. Golf, beaches etc. Etc. Be specific as to what constitute ACTIVITIES to you.

Prices. Hotels in AC are more expensive than Thailand on avg. Less choices in food and the quality of the food is not as good as Thailand in general.

Questions about other Countries should be addressed in their threads

Sxxxx
01-14-12, 23:21
You stand corrected. Sure sounds like a generalized condescending statement to me."PIP' has no clue how much money I or any other member here has. Usually when someone brags about the size of there wallet, all they have is show money. Guys with real wealth keep a low profile in the Philippines for obvious reasons.

Personally I could care less if someone spends 100p. 1000p or 100000p per night. It's none of my business. I only made it my business when talked down to. Furthermore my reply to 'PIP' was a fair and balanced response meant to enlighten, but clearly had little effect.Must admit, I stand corrected. Did not RTFF the thread properly, LOL.

Ekspat
01-15-12, 05:04
Now I can tell you how to f*k 18-25 year olds in the USAGreat for you, but this is the AC forum. I guess nobody here is interested in that, put it in the US thread.

Greetings from AC!

Member #4152
01-15-12, 15:04
i'm not trying to be argumentative but is it really more interesting to discuss races issues or how much money someone has to throw at working girls?

maybe a specific section would be good. not everyone has been here forever and has years of knowledge on se asia. maybe what's needed more is a separate section for the guys that are pros so they won't be bothered by us newbies talking about what we thought the forums were for. exchange of information. everyone is an expert, nobody was ever a newbie, and few have patience for the new guy. i used to be on another forum that is now pretty much garbage just for that reason. isn't the definition of forum experts and newbies discussing a subject? the spread of knowledge? i don't know but if i were jackson i think i would want the new guy, thats the heart of the site. no new guys: eventually no site. guys drop, get married, stop mongering, stop living.

so i think i the newbie question bothers yo don't answer. but "rtff" is not productive in anyway. if every time i or someone asked a question we got that answer do you think when it comes trim to register they would?

now i can tell you how to f*k 18-25 year olds in the usa (i'm 54) all day long. real gfe and inexperienced. it's become a little harder lately but can still be done. you have to have some bank and patience but i've been doing it for years.

sorry for the speech but i've seen boards fail for a number of reasons and thesis one of them. realistically most of this info is available on the net, the difference here is you can ask question. yes sometimes they are stupid, over asked, but sh*t, not everyone is an experienced monger.

peace and pussy to ya, there is no correct answer to your questions. i liked bangkok, i liked manilla, i like pattaya and i liked angeles city. i can tell you, i enjoyed them all for different reasons. you should try and experience them all, in my opinion! start off with whichever location is easier or cheaper for you.

FruitNinja
01-15-12, 15:17
Great for you, but this is the AC forum. I guess nobody here is interested in that, put it in the US thread.

Greetings from AC!Brilliant! No shortage of Rhodes Scholars is there.

Ogman
01-15-12, 15:41
I'll be visiting the AC next month and was reading through the Posts. Indeed there is a bit too much on what one guy or another pays. Mostly mongerers just want to know what the going rate is and that is the lower going rates for ST, LT, and under the table in the bar pops. My hats off to LOPKX for his clear explanation. I'd still appreciate that wisdom on rates if any one can provide clear guidance on average rates for an average guy with no extra noseor other deformities. Payment also relates to services and I was wondering if there were any clubs in AC that cater to special tastes like the Eden Club in BKK. Ezinho posted a great list of bars but all sounded to offer the same services. I am looking for the mamsan or club owner who lines up girls who work well in pairs for a skilled 3-way. I also hope to find girls in AC who'll do anal. Are there such specialized venues in AC? If so, guidance on the average rates at these establishments would be much appreciated!

Mc Don
01-15-12, 15:58
McDon,

Thanks for the good suggestions. BTW: I have been reading the f*king forum, problem is you have to wade through a lot of the same sh*t that I tried to stop with my post. Odd to me that a forum war is somewhat more acceptable than a discourse about traveling internationally for sex. No offense to anyone but at times its the internationalflameforum. And therein lies the problem. One can spend endless hours searching through endless posts and get little relevant information but a little reading and then some specific questions and you have what you're looking for.

Now it might be easy for a guy thats been traveling and reading the forum for years but trust me for someone thats new to forums it is not, and I'm a smart and successful guy. Not everyone gathers information the same way. I manage people and delegate gathering certain information and then I question them to come to an understanding of the subject at hand. If you look at my two posts I did not just sigh up and instantaneously post a question. Since I can't have one of my employees read this for me I did it, and have questions, and asked the people that I thought might have the answers. There might be other guys that are lurking that might have the same questions yet are not able or wiling to question.

So RTFF is cute and all but aren't we here to help each other? Let's talk pursuit of punani (sp) Put a smile on faces. I'm intrigued by your HK, Singapore or Macao comment. How much more? Percentage wise? I do like the idea of getting cultured during the day and getting screwed at night.SimonHeSays,

Don't treat us like your employees, we can answer questions but you still need to work out what is that you want to do and read the forum. I think you need to work out first what is it that you want out of this holiday and where mongering fits on your agenda before deciding how much time you want to spend or even locations that you may visit. As others suggested BKK, PATT, AC an MNL are all great places but they are different. If as you say getting cultured during the day and getting screwed at night is your thing then Pattaya and AC should only be side trips for you where you spend 2-3 days max, so perhaps instead of working out which is better maybe you should be reading up about BKK and MNL. Work out what activities you want to do on the holiday then work out which cities can provide that for you then go and read up on the relevant boards and ask the questions there. Pay Jackson the $19. 95 and you can PM and others if you need any further help.

To confuse you a bit more, since you mentioned GFE have you though of getting a GF / Tour Guide? Its quite common in Phils, you can get a girl to show you around the place, take you to few other cities and screw your brains out at night or wherever else you desire. It shore makes those long MNL taxi rides more enjoyable. Hooking up with the right girl maybe ideal for what you have in mind. Same goes for Thailand although the language barrier may be a problem but find the right Bangkok girl and see the city better then any rip of tour that you may end up doing.

Anyway the tread is about AC so lets get back to AC.

Mc Don
01-15-12, 16:17
I'll be visiting the AC next month and was reading through the Posts. Indeed there is a bit too much on what one guy or another pays. Mostly mongerers just want to know what the going rate is and that is the lower going rates for ST, LT, and under the table in the bar pops. My hats off to LOPKX for his clear explanation. I'd still appreciate that wisdom on rates if any one can provide clear guidance on average rates for an average guy with no extra noseor other deformities. Payment also relates to services and I was wondering if there were any clubs in AC that cater to special tastes like the Eden Club in BKK. Ezinho posted a great list of bars but all sounded to offer the same services. I am looking for the mamsan or club owner who lines up girls who work well in pairs for a skilled 3-way. I also hope to find girls in AC who'll do anal. Are there such specialized venues in AC? If so, guidance on the average rates at these establishments would be much appreciated!Price on Fields (Walking St) is 1800 Peso up to 3000 peso in some clubs for LT. On Perimeter Road price is from 1100 peso to 1650 peso. Perimeter Road is good during the day but most bars close around midnight. Fields kicks off in the afternoon with most bars being open till 3-4 am. There are few 24 hour bars too. Santos St (blow job row) has bars that have ST barfine at 700 peso, depending on the bar ST can be 2 or 4 hours. Santos bars also have LT BF but I have no idea what the price is.

There are NO specialty clubs like Club Eden but you can still get your 3some experience. Almost every club has few girls willing to do it. I suggest you speak to mamasan if you are in hurry and she can help you out otherwise keep asking the girls you find attractive. Beware some may agree to barfine but unless you are specific and explicit once in the room they may be shy to perform in front of each other. You need to be VERY specific and make sure they understand what you want. You will find girls willing to do whatever you desire but you need to ask and be very clear before you barfine. Santos St has few tag teams, perhaps that may be a good start for you.

I have no probs with anal in AC although many other punters have said its rare. I ask upfront and I am discrete but I know many others do the same so who knows maybe I have been lucky LOL. Bottom line is this is a city where money talks so I am sure you will think of something. Club Eden experience where both girls will do anal for you is achievable but you need to find the right girls, team them up and train them. I know it sound crazy but even if you get a girl that does anal she will be shy to do it in front of the other girl unless she is shore that the other girl will take it up the ass too. There is no way that she will let you do her and have the other girl then bad mouth her in the bar. So if that is what you are after you need to find the right girls from different bars, then you need them to like each other before you can push that. I have done this few times over the years and the pay off is you get a great experience with girls that are MUCH hotter then anything Club Eden ever had.

Happy mongering.

Sammon
01-15-12, 16:27
I'll be visiting the AC next month and was reading through the Posts. Indeed there is a bit too much on what one guy or another pays. Mostly mongerers just want to know what the going rate is and that is the lower going rates for ST, LT, and under the table in the bar pops. My hats off to LOPKX for his clear explanation. I'd still appreciate that wisdom on rates if any one can provide clear guidance on average rates for an average guy with no extra noseor other deformities. Payment also relates to services and I was wondering if there were any clubs in AC that cater to special tastes like the Eden Club in BKK. Ezinho posted a great list of bars but all sounded to offer the same services. I am looking for the mamsan or club owner who lines up girls who work well in pairs for a skilled 3-way. I also hope to find girls in AC who'll do anal. Are there such specialized venues in AC? If so, guidance on the average rates at these establishments would be much appreciated!There are no specialty clubs in AC that I know of. All are regular bars with girls and some have shows, special celebrations like anniversary etc. Only speciality bars are BJ bars on santos street. They do BJ or / and full service upstairs for a fee. There are some massage places who do everything.

Only the mamasans know who likes who and which girl will do what. So the best bet would be to ask the mamasan. Once again money is the motivator. I am sure with enough enticement anything is possible.

GreenBud
01-15-12, 19:05
Brilliant! No shortage of Rhodes Scholars is there.If you were smart, you should go thru my posts, and then ask specific questions on the correct thread.

Phantomtiger2
01-15-12, 23:31
Murders per 100, 000 population.

Philippines: 4. 3

Thailand: 8. 5

USA: 6. 3

Angeles City: 5. 3.

Amsterdam: 7. 7.

Los Angeles: 12. 6.

Detroit: 41. 4.Although I will not argue with the figures posted, I just want to put in my 2cents as I do regularly visit the PI and AC.

The 1st and most important thing to know about stats and figures is that although the argument about foreigners killed and well publicized is true as this is something the govt can't hide but will try to often list it under a more favorable stats as not to look badly to the govt. (like foreigner was killed accidentally in a fight, leaving out the fact that it was a fight while he was being robbed).

Also, if murders occur to the locals many goes unreported so the figures are way under reported. I know for a fact that the robbery stats in the PI are a farce. Why? Because local people that are robbed don't even bother to report to police as 1) they don't really care and will not make much of any effort to track anyone down except when the victim "bribes" the police to help with the investigation and that is often more money than was lost in robbery to begin with. 2) police are sometimes in on it.

Yes, PI and AC is safer than some of the worst parts of Detroit but not some of the better US cities.

GreenBud
01-16-12, 04:56
I have no probs with anal in AC although many other punters have said its rare. I ask upfront and I am discrete but I know many others do the same so who knows maybe I have been lucky LOL.It also helps if you have a small penis. Many girls worry about big ones tearing them up. That's the reason some girls gave about being hesitant going out with black guys.


I know it sound crazy but even if you get a girl that does anal she will be shy to do it in front of the other girl unless she is shore that the other girl will take it up the ass too. There is no way that she will let you do her and have the other girl then bad mouth her in the bar.That principal also applies to the lesbian stuff. That's why most girls will only do it with either a friend at the bar that will do the same stuff or a girl from some other bar. The girls do not want to be bad mouthed in the bar about doing kinky stuff.

FurryFriend
01-16-12, 05:26
Murders per 100, 000 population.

Philippines: 4. 3

USA: 6. 3

Los Angeles: 12. 6.

Detroit: 41. 4.

I use live in Oakland CA for 6 years where homicide occurs on the daily basis.I disagree with those figures. I can quote figures showing the Philippine homicide rate is about 20% higher than the USA

But even assuming they're correct, it's misleading and not relevant to tourists and expats to the Philippines.

For starters, there is the ghetto avoidability issue. In America, there's no reason why anyone, particularly tourists, would need to visit and congregate at the parts of Oakland you've described. If you earn more than $10 / hour, you can easily afford living elsewhere. I've lived in America all my life and cannot remember being inside a gang-infested neighborhood (aside from driving past it on the freeway at 75 miles per hour). Normally, people living in American ghettos are there because they're felons, drug addicts, criminals or simply cannot hold down a job.

It's different in the Philippines. There, it's impossible for tourists and expats to avoid Philippine ghettos since it covers 70%+ of any Philippine city. And even in the "good" neighborhoods like Makati City, there are still shady people crawling around scamming or stealing from you. So whether you're in a good or bad neighborhood, there are impoverished Filipinos gunning for you. Unlike in America, you cannot avoid trongs of shady people in the Philippines.

And that leads me to my next point. If you're non-Filipino, you're being specifically targeted for crime (whereas, in America, you're likely just unlucky). Telling me that there's only 4. 3 murders per 100, 000 in the Philippines isn't going to make me feel any better if I'm walking around with a bullseye on my chest.

I agree the threat of violent crime in the Philippine is exaggerated. But what's not exaggerated is police corruption and ineptitude. If you need help, they can't provide it. For example, nobody will fault the Philippines government for the hostage incident 1.5 years ago when a busload of Hong Kongers were killed. Hostage-taking can happen anywhere. But on live TV, we all saw how the police lacks even the most basic equipment and training to deal with violent criminals. If they can't protect people on national television, you think they can protect an anonymous, unknown person like yourself?

I should also point out that no government or police official lost their jobs over the hostage incident. Only two people got a "reprimand". Therefore, when cops don't do their jobs in the Philippines, nobody is held to account.

The bottom line is, your post is unfair because you're comparing the worst part of America (inner city Oakland) to "normal" parts of the Philippines. If you compare your average American neighborhood to your average Philippine neighborhood, there is no question which neighborhood is safer.

Mc Don
01-16-12, 06:15
It also helps if you have a small penis. Many girls worry about big ones tearing them up. That's the reason some girls gave about being hesitant going out with black guys.GreenBud I get them to agree before they have a chance to see me. And I am not small either plus I fuck like a madman, sweet talk and being nice in general helps but hey we have guys here discussing tips, ladies drinks, cherry girl rip offs and so on. As the forum logo states MONEY IS THE GREATEST APHRODISIAC and knowing when to show it when to spend it can work wonders in the right circumstances. What also helps is being honest and upfront about it, being equipped with KY and in some cases the right butt plugs. My experience is that it is available far easier then people think but in a town like AC many mongers just give up to easy thinking there is so much pussy around so why bother. I rarely pay anything additional for anal in AC but I am prepared to if I really like the girl. Talking to the right way, by this I mean being nice plus getting them excited about doing something very naughty and showing them some good time prior the deed can work wonders. It does take a bit more Patience and sometimes you have to repeat a girl few times until she trusts you with it but in general I find them just as curious as their indo or thai counterparts.

As for the black guys comment I don't think its the size of the dick that is the decisive factor. Many girls are ignorant and racist and I think that is probably the bigger problem then size. One of my wingman is Malay Indian and he has never had problem on the 20+ trips we have been together. Not only he is black but he is indian too but he knows how to talk to them, and he knows how to get them excited very quick. I am yet to see him being turned down. I think what often doesn't work in favor of black guys is that they too sometimes hit the bars with the wrong attitude. They fail to realize that this is not a place where they are viewed as a very desired commodity and instead of maybe toning down their game they play it as they would in other places. Personally I would do the same, no fucking way I would change for an AC working girl but I would accept the consequences too as I have seen so many of the more experienced guys do. If she doesn't want to make money then fuck her move on to the next one, keep in mind this is their choice. Newbies that don't understand how the place works often get frustrated and they display it and girls can quickly pick up on their vibe. Few months ago I meet a black american dude at the ABC that was on his cheery trip to AC and was hell bent on not paying. He was so sure that he will pick up in the discos latter once bars closed and many working girls go there for a drink. Next morning we had a drink at the pool bar and he told me that he did eventually pick up but the girl in the morning asked him for 2000 peso and because he saved on the barfine and ladies drinks all night he gave her the money. Few days latter I saw him in Genasis with a girl in tow. I guess he learned.

Raverboy
01-16-12, 15:54
Just concluded a 3D2N quick trip to AC, only my 4th or 5th visit there since 2006. Pleased to see that the novelty of the place hasn't worn off for me.

Me: Late-30s Singaporean, expatriate in HCMC, Vietnam. Not-so-secret Philippines and Indonesia cheongster, usually preferring Manila and Jakarta respectively, having made multiple visits every year to both in the last 6 years.

Don't have much to report on, nor would like to repeat information that has already been mentioned on this thread.

Except:

Beware of Runner And Thief Named 'Yumi' from Dollhouse Bar.

Real name on Entertainer ID - read it but unfortunately can't recall. Claimed to be 23 and from Manila. Spinner, small saggy tits which you won't see under her bikini. PHP 3000 BF category. Showed me a picture of a baby son, fathered by a Korean customer from the Puerto Galera / Sabang gogo bars on a ONS where she claimed to have worked in the past. Son is being taken care of by her mother in Manila. Also claimed to have done one tour in KL but was refused entry and turned back on her second visit. Claimed to have permanent travel ban to Malaysia stamped in passport. Subsequently came to work in AC.

Promised to stay LT during interview and was convincing enough even to a cynical old guy like me. Back in room however, put on her clothes after 1st shot. Also stole candy from hotel room (Royal Amsterdam has a tray of candy and toiletries for sale, placed on top of fridge) amounting to around PHP 400. Money is not the issue but a matter of principle. Taking without asking in this case is tantamount to theft. I did not find out until check out, so it was a not-so-nice parting gift for me from AC.

Had a total of 3 BFs brought to room over the 2 nights' short stay. The remaining two: one was already falling down drunk when BF'd and did not carry a handbag, the other was known to one in our group - a senior member on another forum, and his friend. Therefore, the one I describe above is the likely candidate.

Moral of the story / lessons learnt = 1. Interview or not, all BFs continue to be a gamble with regards to her being a runner or not. Therefore, why bother with the interview? 2. If staying in a hotel with an in-room tray of goodies for sale, remember to remove and stow away out of sight.

For those of you carrying USD, on 13/1 at NAIA Terminal 3 (MNL) , rate was 1 USD = PHP 43.20. At Robinsons Mall in Malate on the same day, at the popular money exchange (green signboard) near the supermarket. 1 USD = PHP 43.70.

Question for you gentlemen: Has anyone had any luck negotiating with taxi drivers waiting at MNL NAIA Terminal 3 (departure level) in the wee hours of the morning to drive you to AC? If so, what was the accepted fare?

Cheers.

Mc Don
01-16-12, 17:34
Question for you gentlemen: Has anyone had any luck negotiating with taxi drivers waiting at MNL NAIA Terminal 3 (departure level) in the wee hours of the morning to drive you to AC? If so, what was the accepted fare?

Cheers.2 out of 5 attempts, price 2500 peso + tools, last time in June last year. The other 3 attempts I had to take a drive to Makati Palace then use their car, they don't care too much if you stay or not in the hotel, just say you have done this before and that you are booked on the way back from AC. Price was 2500 peso all inclusive using the Makati palce car but last time I have done this would have been more then a year ago so prices may have increased.

Raverboy
01-17-12, 03:10
2 out of 5 attempts, price 2500 peso + tools, last time in June last year. The other 3 attempts I had to take a drive to Makati Palace then use their car, they don't care too much if you stay or not in the hotel, just say you have done this before and that you are booked on the way back from AC. Price was 2500 peso all inclusive using the Makati palce car but last time I have done this would have been more then a year ago so prices may have increased.

I hope you meant 'tolls'. ;)

That's not that great considering RAH's price for car and driver one way to NAIA, including tolls, was PHP 2600, 2 nights ago.

Key Master
01-17-12, 03:27
Moral of the story / lessons learnt = 1. Interview or not, all BFs continue to be a gamble with regards to her being a runner or not. Therefore, why bother with the interview? 2. If staying in a hotel with an in-room tray of goodies for sale, remember to remove and stow away out of sight.First off, I never leave the stuff out that the hotel leaves out for sale. I put the snacks along with toiletries if they so offer in a drawer.

Does the interview matter? I think it all depends on how you look at it. Doing the interview probably cuts out on some potential runners. Will it cut out all? Obviously not. Women can be good actresses. I think it also depends on the person giving the interview on picking out little nuances that may hint she may not fulfill the agreement. Personally for me, I have been pretty lucky for last couple of years. Maybe it's experience and a good instinct, I don't know. The other thing you have to remember is that you're not dealing with the most mature people so it's kind of hard to hold them up to a standard. So even if you got lied to in one interview, to me doesn't mean you should stop letting your expectations known with any future dates. It's got to help some.

Fastpiston
01-17-12, 08:03
Just concluded a 3D2N quick trip to AC, only my 4th or 5th visit there since 2006. Pleased to see that the novelty of the place hasn't worn off for me.

Me: Late-30s Singaporean, expatriate in HCMC, Vietnam. Not-so-secret Philippines and Indonesia cheongster, usually preferring Manila and Jakarta respectively, having made multiple visits every year to both in the last 6 years.

Don't have much to report on, nor would like to repeat information that has already been mentioned on this thread.

Except:

Beware of Runner And Thief Named 'Yumi' from Dollhouse Bar.

Real name on Entertainer I'd. Read it but unfortunately can't recall. Claimed to be 23 and from Manila. Spinner, small saggy tits which you won't see under her bikini. PHP 3000 BF category. Showed me a picture of a baby son, fathered by a Korean customer from the Puerto Galera / Sabang gogo bars on a ONS where she claimed to have worked in the past. Son is being taken care of by her mother in Manila. Also claimed to have done one tour in KL but was refused entry and turned back on her second visit. Claimed to have permanent travel ban to Malaysia stamped in passport. Subsequently came to work in AC.

Promised to stay LT during interview and was convincing enough even to a cynical old guy like me. Back in room however, put on her clothes after 1st shot. Also stole candy from hotel room (Royal Amsterdam has a tray of candy and toiletries for sale, placed on top of fridge) amounting to around PHP 400. Money is not the issue but a matter of principle. Taking without asking in this case is tantamount to theft. I did not find out until check out, so it was a not-so-nice parting gift for me from AC.

Had a total of 3 BFs brought to room over the 2 nights' short stay. The remaining two: one was already falling down drunk when BF'd and did not carry a handbag, the other was known to one in our group. A senior member on another forum, and his friend. Therefore, the one I describe above is the likely candidate.

Moral of the story / lessons learnt = 1. Interview or not, all BFs continue to be a gamble with regards to her being a runner or not. Therefore, why bother with the interview? 2. If staying in a hotel with an in-room tray of goodies for sale, remember to remove and stow away out of sight.

For those of you carrying USD, on 13/1 at NAIA Terminal 3 (MNL) , rate was 1 USD = PHP 43. 20. At Robinsons Mall in Malate on the same day, at the popular money exchange (green signboard) near the supermarket. 1 USD = PHP 43. 70.

Question for you gentlemen: Has anyone had any luck negotiating with taxi drivers waiting at MNL NAIA Terminal 3 (departure level) in the wee hours of the morning to drive you to AC? If so, what was the accepted fare?

Cheers.1) When I check in at hotels in AC and there are 'goodies' in the room (chips, toothpaste, condoms etc etc) , just ask the bell boy to remove them all. Do not hesitate, they are used to this request.

2) On arrival at NAIA, use the yellow colored taxi rank. Fixed fees. Maybe a bit above the Filipino rate, but you get a fair price, do not get robbed and the car is clean and well kept.

3) To minimize 'runners', check if the girl has a baby in AC. If she does, she will probably have a babysitter back at a house and will try and get away after the first shot to payoff the babysitter.

Raverboy
01-17-12, 08:59
1) When I check in at hotels in AC and there are 'goodies' in the room (chips, toothpaste, condoms etc etc) , just ask the bell boy to remove them all. Do not hesitate, they are used to this request.

2) On arrival at NAIA, use the yellow colored taxi rank. Fixed fees. Maybe a bit above the Filipino rate, but you get a fair price, do not get robbed and the car is clean and well kept.

3) To minimize 'runners', check if the girl has a baby in AC. If she does, she will probably have a babysitter back at a house and will try and get away after the first shot to payoff the babysitter.1. Noted.

2. http://www.passengertales.com/new/2008/09/20/yellow-metered-airport-taxis-in-naia/

3. Noted.

Mc Don
01-17-12, 11:23
I hope you meant 'tolls'. .

That's not that great considering RAH's price for car and driver one way to NAIA, including tolls, was PHP 2600, 2 nights ago.Raverboy,

I know its not great but we are talking 5am, after the cebu pacific flight from Bangkok. At that time you won't have many willing drivers to take you to AC considering its shift change time and they know you will struggle to find another cab. Bottom line is like many other things in phils at different times of the day / week you get a different price. By the way they usually start negotiating at 3500 peso. Granted I am younger white guy they probably have me pegged for a newbie that doesn't know prices, you being asian will probably get a different response but I doubt it it will be much cheaper then that. I guess if you have the time to prearrange pick up the its probably way to go if your flight arrives at odd hours.

As for the 2600 peso TO naia, you need to remember that things are cheaper in AC then Manila. This includes the fares too, you could get away with around the 2000-2200 peso mark, just ask around where the trikes gather at the ATM exit in SM. I have done this few times in the past.

WestCoast1
01-17-12, 15:43
1) When I check in at hotels in AC and there are 'goodies' in the room (chips, toothpaste, condoms etc etc) , just ask the bell boy to remove them all. Do not hesitate, they are used to this request.

3) To minimize 'runners', check if the girl has a baby in AC. If she does, she will probably have a babysitter back at a house and will try and get away after the first shot to payoff the babysitter.Last time I was at Central Park, they told me they were not allowed to remove the goodies. I asked at the front desk, and the girl there confirmed the goodies had to stay in the room.

The runner. Try this (I know, paranoia, but it seems to have worked). Re-mention the important things in your interview with the mama or oldest waitress after the girl has dressed in street clothes just before you leave. Just takes a moment: 'She's agreed to stay until 10am. ' As the girl comes out from the dressing area and we are leaving, I call the mama or waitress over and run thru my list. Don't be afraid to run thru the entire list, the mama's have heard it all. 'She agreed to ass fuck, cell phone in the safe, lick another girl's pussy and stay till 10am. ' Once, the girl suddenly had a change of heart when I mentioned 10am in front of the waitress (she had agreed to it while chatting her up). That led to an argument between the girl and the waitress. The girl walked away into the dressing room. The waitress said the girl at first claimed she did not say she would stay until 10, then admitted she did say it to me, and she in fact had to get home to her son in the morning (after telling me in chat that she had no children). The fat older mama had come over and was listening in. I had already paid the tab. They asked if I would like to sit and choose another girl. I said no thanks, just bring me my EWR back. Boy, that caused consternation. Another waitress came over and the 3 of them had a worried conversation, and finally they brought my money back to me and I walked.

Raverboy
01-17-12, 16:41
Thanks guys for the various responses.

Mc Don: Looks like I might as well just get a MNL airport pickup from the hotel in AC, rather than negotiating with the taxi mafia, at NAIA in the wee hours just to save a few hundred pesos. I usually travel with a wingman, so the PHP 2600 shared is really no big deal.

WCoast: Your suggestion well taken and logical, since we tip or buy LDs to mamasans, managers or waitresses. So they should certainly work for their tip.

Judging from the various responses, seems to me as I said, all BFs continue to be a gamble in AC, especially at the night bars. Perhaps less so at the day bars, which close around 11 pm.

Mackin
01-17-12, 20:12
It can't be that hard to put the goodies in your suitcase or in the safe in the room. Before you bring someone back just get them out of sight and things should be fine. If they want to get into the refrigerator tell them no, or put the items in the closet on the floor. Warm beer and other things won't turn them on. If you have had time before go to the store and by some things for the fridge. Offering those keeps them away from the higher priced supplied item.

Another idea is to get them so drunk they can't walk. That wll keep them out of the goodies too.

Mr Enternational
01-17-12, 21:45
Last time I was at Central Park, they told me they were not allowed to remove the goodies. I asked at the front desk, and the girl there confirmed the goodies had to stay in the room.I stay at Central Park too. I used to get pissed about the girls fucking with the goodies but I finally realized that they were so cheap (unlike those found in first-world countries) that I no longer gave a fuck.


The runner. Try this (I know, paranoia, but it seems to have worked). Re-mention the important things in your interview with the mama or oldest waitress after the girl has dressed in street clothes just before you leave. Just takes a moment: 'She's agreed to stay until 10am. ' As the girl comes out from the dressing area and we are leaving, I call the mama or waitress over and run thru my list. Don't be afraid to run thru the entire list, the mama's have heard it all. 'She agreed to ass fuck, cell phone in the safe, lick another girl's pussy and stay till 10am. 'WC, You should make copies of your checklist and get them to sign it. LOL.

Globe Spinner
01-17-12, 23:16
Been to AC many times, usually on my way north, and one of my complaints about the place is it is hard to find a happy ending at a MP. The girls avoid my junk like it's radioactive, and 9 out of 10 flatly refuse to "complete" the massage. So, for some time I have been searching for a place like Lingham Massage on P. Burgos in Makati. This last trip I found something close. It's located on McArthur Hwy right accross from McDonalds. Anotherwords, as you walk off the end of Field past Paradise Bar, cross McArthur at the light, turn right and in half a block you will see a place with "Spa" in the name. There's a guy behind the counter who collects P495 and shows you a bunch of pictures of girls reminiscent of Jakarta. Pick one, he takes you to a room and you wait for the girl. I've only been once, and can't say much for the massage itself, but when this beautiful 19 yo offered up full service for P1, 000 I simply had to try. She had a great body, was almost too tight, but was GFE. Ok, I know P1, 500 is kinda ridiculous in AC, but at least you can count on your HE.

WestCoast1
01-18-12, 01:42
I stay at Central Park too. I used to get pissed about the girls fucking with the goodies but I finally realized that they were so cheap (unlike those found in first-world countries) that I no longer gave a fuck.

WC, You should make copies of your checklist and get them to sign it. LOL.As you see from the various photos, the 'checklist' is fairly successful. It takes 5-10 seconds to say out loud, and the same to repeat it to a mamasan. However, as it involves specifics, its not the kind of thing for every guy to use.

I also took to putting the food goodies in my suitcase. Once in Jakarta, the twin-pack of girls that I'd brought back to the room had quietly ordered room service (sanwiches, beers, and condoms. Extra charge for condoms) while I rinsed in the shower. Not such a smart move for FL: I ended up deducting the food from their take.

Sir Lancelot
01-18-12, 19:29
I will be in Philippines for three weeks in March. It will be my second trip and I look forward to visiting Angeles again. I immensely enjoyed my first experience of the place and wrote a 20, 000+ field report (a couple of years ago now) , including photos of the girls I bar-fined. I've spent the last couple of days reading back through the forum, trying to find information I need.

Two years ago my holy trinity of bars was Dollshouse, Atlantis and Forbidden City. I know these are the big show-places but I thought that these were the best bets if I had to barfine a good looker quickly as they had plenty of choice. However I really loved the thrill of a bar-crawl, having a beer in lots of bars and then returning to my favourite. Sadly this policy was rarely rewarded as inevitably when I returned, the best looker had been bar-fined! Tropix was my favourite cheaper option, I thought Club Asia had some good lookers and I liked the way you could wander between bars in the Blue Nile group. Crystal Palace, Pasha and Typhoon seemed good bets for pretty girls although I visited most bars on Fields and saw pretty girls in most of them. Carousel seemed a fun place too. The girls were all smiling and having a blast. That was two years ago.

My question is highly subjective I know, but which bars are currently the best bets for young, pretty girls? A couple of recent reports (notably Ezinho and McDon) gave some good recommendations but I'd like to hear other opinions too. I didn't go to Perimeter Road last time, so I'd be especially interested to hear recommendations for there. I'd also like to know what time is best to visit Perimeter Road bars. I will post a field report.

Thank you.

Ekspat
01-19-12, 09:41
My question is highly subjective I know, but which bars are currently the best bets for young, pretty girls? A couple of recent reports (notably Ezinho and McDon) gave some good recommendations but I'd like to hear other opinions too.My preferred bar for afternoon ST is Pony Tails. Check it out.

Member #4698
01-19-12, 14:34
My question is highly subjective I know, but which bars are currently the best bets for young, pretty girls?Great Question Sir L. Here is my list of the the best bars in AC listed in a very informal and subjective way. I hope that other board members will critique this list, add on to it, and vote their own favorite bars. This forum should have a top 20 list of AC bars.

Fields Bars December 2011:

1. Body Shop *

2. La Bamba *

3. Lollipop *

4. Forbidden City (Lewis Group) *

5. Club Asia *

6. Rhapsody *

7. Love and Music Bar *

8. Roadhouse *

9. Doll House (the) (open 24hrs) *

10. Dirty duck (Lewis Group) *

11. Golden Nile * (Daddy's girls 4000p)

12. Angelwitch *

13. Blue Nile *

14. One Eyed Wench *

15. Crystal Palace *

16. Treasure Island *

17. Typhoon *

18. Blue Nile Execitive Club *

19. Typhoon *

20. Atlantis *

Perimeter Road Bars December 2011:

1. Lost in Asia *

2. Pony Tails (near ABC) *

3. Emotions *

4. Cherry's *

5. Eruption *

6. Roadies *

7. Candy Bar *

8. HoneyKo's *

9. Touch of Class *

10. Dr. Holmes *

11. Matrix Brown *

X Man
01-19-12, 14:44
There were some nice looking gals last time I was there in late Dec. The gals often face the front, toward the door. I was a bit unnerved the way some stared at a spot slightly above my head. Looking into the mirror of course. I guess the trick is to get a gal at your table as soon as possible. Or maybe sit right up to the stage, but then that puts the eye level right at their snatch. Not a bad thing I guess, but early on I prefer to make some eye contact.

Sometimes the day shift gals need to be somewhere late at night and therefore are only good for the short time. No morning cuddling and breakfast, what a shame. Ekspat, is ST your preference or do you find the afternoon gals reluctant to make a night of it? X.


My preferred bar for afternoon ST is Pony Tails. Check it out.

Ekspat
01-20-12, 08:44
Ekspat, is ST your preference or do you find the afternoon gals reluctant to make a night of it? X.Hi X!

For an afternoon session I clearly prefer ST. Lets say from 3 till 6pm with 2 pops, then I let her go free to do whatever she wants, going home or back to bar, I don't know. Then I want to go for dinner, barhopping and many SMB's. In case I find another hottie in the evening, then it should be LT.

Just my liking this way.

Cheers!

RasSpewtin
01-20-12, 12:02
I stay at Central Park too. I used to get pissed about the girls fucking with the goodies but I finally realized that they were so cheap (unlike those found in first-world countries) that I no longer gave a fuck.

WC, You should make copies of your checklist and get them to sign it. LOL.

When I arrive at the Pacific Breeze or Central Park, I take the junk food and pack it in a bag and put it out of reach. The pay-for toiletries in the bathroom ditto, packed in a bag and out of reach. The drinks all stay in the mini-bar fridge. It is not the cost that concerns me; I like to establish an environment in which I am in control of the situation. The first thing that I do when my girl and I walk into the room is to offer her a drink. If she needs a toothbrush, I brought spares in my suitcase. If she forgot to shave, I dip into the toiletries stash and give her a razor.

If she needs a tampon, then she lied to me in the bar about not being on the mens and back to the bar we would go, although that last scenario has never happened. Well, actually it did kind of happen once. I met a previous barfine from Candy Bar when she accosted me after her working hours as I was strolling down Fields. She had a Friend in tow who did not work bar, but it was clear that Friend had worked some interesting angles in the past. This turned into a 3-some that started with fun in the shower and then poceeded to more fun in bed. During a particularly entertaining moment when Friend was riding me while I licked Former Barfine's nether zone, there emerged a wee red tide from Friend. Friend was worried that I would kick her out, but she had been kind and fun and respectful, so I invited her to stay. So out came a tampon fom the toiletry stash. Friend's role was re-delegated to that of blowjob queen, with Former Barfine giving her lessons in real time. It all worked out quite well.

Raz

Red Kilt
01-20-12, 12:25
When I arrive at the Pacific Breeze or Central Park, I take the junk food and pack it in a bag and put it out of reach. The pay-for toiletries in the bathroom ditto, packed in a bag and out of reach. The drinks all stay in the mini-bar fridge. It is not the cost that concerns me; I like to establish an environment in which I am in control of the situation. The first thing that I do when my girl and I walk into the room is to offer her a drink. If she needs a toothbrush, I brought spares in my suitcase. If she forgot to shave, I dip into the toiletries stash and give her a razor.

. .Ah Raz. If only more mongers here would apply your KISS strategy (Keep It Simple & Straightforward).

I liked your anecdote about seizing an opportunity with a meet-up and friend on the street as well as being adaptable and adjusting as events unfolded later in the room (I was going to say "going with the flow" but I thought the ambiguity might be too much for the weak-minded).

I must say that some of my best fun has been had in spontaneous moments as long as you keep thinking on your feet (or on your back or knees or whatever) , as you did when the dreaded crimson trickle emerged.

Sammon
01-20-12, 18:05
When I arrive at the Pacific Breeze or Central Park, I take the junk food and pack it in a bag and put it out of reach. The pay-for toiletries in the bathroom ditto, packed in a bag and out of reach. The drinks all stay in the mini-bar fridge. It is not the cost that concerns me; I like to establish an environment in which I am in control of the situation. The first thing that I do when my girl and I walk into the room is to offer her a drink. If she needs a toothbrush, I brought spares in my suitcase. If she forgot to shave, I dip into the toiletries stash and give her a razor.

RazGirls always end up taking something. I got to the store and buy lots of cans of soda (different kinds) , chips, fruits, candy etc. But the girls always want other things than what I got from the store. They want chocolate milk, cadbury, mango chips. Always ended up paying extra. Do not have the heart to say no, she can only take what I bought.

Fortunately hotels do not charge an arm and leg for it.

Red Kilt
01-21-12, 08:40
Girls always end up taking something. Do not have the heart to say no, she can only take what I bought.For someone as experienced as you Samm, I am surprised that you would admit such a weakness.

This is "thin-edge-of-the-wedge" stuff. You will keep losing ground if this is your strategy and end up "losing" way more than you bargain for.

My experience has been that filipinas actually like and admire someone who just says NO and then sticks to it

X Man
01-21-12, 15:40
There are a numerous ways of interpreting what each of RK and Samm have suggested. So, I will agree with both of you.

If you are willing to deny a gal a 100peso piece of chocolate and then she walks out, or worse hangs around to make you miserable, who loses? If you want GFE, you should be careful about how far you say "NO". You might try,"sure, and what will you do for me (wink, wink, joking, wink)"

Nevertheless, RK has an excellend point. Most women appreciate a strong man and most women appreciate a generous man. I'm not sure that most women will respect a man who takes orders, or is somehow sissifyed in order to get a piece of loving. I personally get very defensive of women making rules. Especially in my room. Condom req."ok" Don't kiss me,"why?" Put the money on the table first,"That's enought, get out!"

Anyway, I still haven't figured out the perfect strategy since every woman is different and thank buddha for that. X.


For someone as experienced as you Samm, I am surprised that you would admit such a weakness.

This is "thin-edge-of-the-wedge" stuff. You will keep losing ground if this is your strategy and end up "losing" way more than you bargain for.

My experience has been that filipinas actually like and admire someone who just says NO and then sticks to it

Fast Eddie 48
01-22-12, 01:11
I don't think it is a big deal for a girl take a candy or cola as long she ask you first, I alway go to store first after I pick a girl up from the bar and ask her if you want something be nice to the girl and treat her like a girl friend, I once pick up a girl in the bar first thing she did is order food from the hotel, I told her after the deed but she told me no food all day from a poor family but after dinner and one shot she want to go back to bar and I told her no she can leave in the morning or paid for the food, I alway want to be nice to the girl but not too nice.

Fast Eddie 48

GreenBud
01-22-12, 10:58
1) IMO, Atlantis is still the best overall for young cute girls in quantity and quality.

2) Of course there are other bars that have some cuties that are similar or better to Atlantis. For cuteness, I recommend Mary Joanne in Insomnia (very cute, but she has a starfish altitude and doesn't do BJs). Number 506 in Lancelot is cute (more so if she puts on her make-up).

3) IMO, cuties aren't the best option if you want GFE and kinky stuff.

4) From my experiences, it is a mistake to get your girl drunk. Some wanted to leave early or not do the stuff they promised in the bar.

5) Noticed that it's not that important to get to the bars early in order to get the cute girls. Since there are so many girls around, there's enough girls to go around. The Korean hordes do come to the bars, but they don't frantically barfine all the cute girls. They don't have to; Angeles is not like Puerto Galera Sabang where there are only 10 to 20 cute girls.

Betong
01-22-12, 13:03
1)4) From my experiences, it is a mistake to get your girl drunk.Yes, a huge mistake, with the potential for all kinds of problems (starting with puking all over your bed) and pretty much no upside. Give them a drink or two if they want but be really careful if they start to go over the line. With a lot of them it doesn't take much alcohol at all.

Ickywicky
01-22-12, 13:15
Should finish my report. I wrote the first one on Christmas eve, slightly drunk and a bit mortified by "Cherry Girl."

Day 2: I walked around and had a much better experience that night with a younger girl. Not as cute as Cherry Girl, not that bad of an experience but not that great either. Going from bar to bar was funner, and I got to know a bit more about the city.

Day 3: I had met some guys on day 2 who were pretty awesome drinking buddies and they'd said that they had a place I could crash at. I went over to it; nearby the Ponderosa, these two retired guys (younger for retired!) were just hanging out in Angeles and living a dream life. They gave me some great advice and there was a room available at that apartment at a much cheaper rate than most hotels, AND it was pretty centrally located and had lots of access to the hotel services. Basically it was pretty awesome. But. I wasn't feeling good from the amount I'd drank the previous night and I think I had food poisoning because I felt pretty sick. I did go out that day after feeling a bit over the effects, and this time I met an awesome girl. She was a nurse, half-American apparently, and was super-friendly. Nice breasts, not the best ass, but could speak english really well, not too shy and super relaxed and open. I got her slightly drunk and she lost control a little bit the second time, just awesome experience and overall was really happy with her. Almost felt like calling her again but I wanted to experience the city.

Day 4: For some reason I was totally sick this day, even after that happy experience. I ended up recovering again, and that night I went out and saw this black chick. I've always had the fantasy of a black hooker giving me a lap dance, don't know where that comes from, and since I had many lap dances from strippers in the states but never got farther I wanted to take her back and try out that fantasy back in the room. Overall it wasn't that satisfying; she was very matter of fact, I should have had music prepared if I really wanted this fantasy, and it ended up feeling like it was rushed nad not really that awesome (plus she wasn't as hot as I'd thought).

Day 5 I headed back to the airport.

Overall, not an awesome time, getting sick twice really blowed. Kinda my fault, coming during Christmas. I did have one awesome girl that really made the whole experience worth it, a girl I almost feel like emailing and stuff but I'm totally not sure I will ever go back. (I would rather try out new places than visit old ones). I will say, it is a far friendlier atmosphere than Tijuana (which is more like a street thing and seems much poorer) or Pattaya (which I didn't really see as many girls and the ones I did see were shyer and less likely to throw themselves at you). Definitely worth the trip and probably worth a repeat if I get tired of other places in Asia (not any time soon).

WestCoast1
01-22-12, 16:51
If you are willing to deny a gal a 100peso piece of chocolate and then she walks out, or worse hangs around to make you miserable, who loses? If you want GFE, you should be careful about how far you say "NO". You might try,"sure, and what will you do for me (wink, wink, joking, wink)"Why was the chocolate left out in the room in the first place? One reason I don't like the goodies the hotels leave in the rooms is because they know darn well that even though you might not eat them, the girls will snap gobble them up. Put them away somewhere. Don't leave anything enticing in the room. Jeez it takes 1 minute to put it away. I find AC bargirls rarely touch anything in the room (bars have rules against it, and no girl wants a complaint to the hotel, police, or her bar that she stole something) ; however its a fair assumption that any given girl might attempt to rob you blind the moment you step into the shower. Leaving a candy bar (or anything) out in the open is unwise. If there is nothing else to tempt her, her attentions will be focused on you (not the candy, not the TV, not the cell phone, etc.). The more 'goodies' you can remove from her (short) attention span, the better the experience is for you. Also I'm with FE: a full tummy (offer jolli or mcdo before the room) seems to endear the girls.

VaderBule
01-22-12, 18:43
You stand corrected. Sure sounds like a generalized condescending statement to me."PIP' has no clue how much money I or any other member here has. Usually when someone brags about the size of there wallet, all they have is show money. Guys with real wealth keep a low profile in the Philippines for obvious reasons.

Personally I could care less if someone spends 100p. 1000p or 100000p per night. It's none of my business. I only made it my business when talked down to. Furthermore my reply to 'PIP' was a fair and balanced response meant to enlighten, but clearly had little effect.Reminds me of a story about Kerry Packer (now deceased Australian media multi-billionaire, and a huge gambler). He was sitting at a bar in Las Vegas next to an American, the American was boasting how he was in the oil business and was worth US$30Million. Packer pulled a coin from his pocket and said "toss you for it".

Sir Lancelot
01-23-12, 01:44
@Ekspat.

Yeah, I like the idea of having suggestions for afternoon action. On my last visit I would relax during the afternoon, eat early and then start my bar crawl early evening, looking to bar-fine about 11pm (inevitably I'd end up having too much fun going to the bars, it would be more like 2am). This trip I want more action, so will definitely try out Pony Tails.

@Natty Bumpo.

Thanks for the list. Is it in order of your favourites (I. E is Body Shop your number 1 choice)? Can you elaborate on your top five – tell me why they're your favourite? For example, on my last trip I loved 1. Atlantis (lots of girls, great venue and no pressure for lady-drinks) .2, Dollshouse (some great girls and more of an 'anything goes' atmos with the girls, especially if you're sat on the back bench) .3, Tropix (some very pretty girls for cheaper prices and no pressure from the girls) .4, Carousel (it seemed a well-managed place and the the girls were all laughing and having fun) .5, Club Asia (some nice girls and I saw a perfect girl called Antoinette who disappointingly was a 'Cherry Girl') etc. There were quite a few bars in your list I haven't tried yet, so I will be sure to check some of them out.

@GreenBud.

Thanks for your reply. It seems that we have similar tastes given the fact you like Atlantis. I secured perhaps my favourite girl I have ever taken for p4p from Atlantis, although it took quite a bit of perseverance because a) she was cute and be) she had the biggest rack in there! Within seconds she always seemed to be summoned down by the dreaded green laser. My patience paid off though and she gave me the best GFE I've ever had. I will check out Insomnia and had no idea there is a bar called Lancelot – I feel duty-bound to go there, it might be fate I meet a 10/10!

El Ted
01-23-12, 10:55
Been to AC many times, usually on my way north, and one of my complaints about the place is it is hard to find a happy ending at a MP. The girls avoid my junk like it's radioactive, and 9 out of 10 flatly refuse to "complete" the massage. So, for some time I have been searching for a place like Lingham Massage on P. Burgos in Makati. This last trip I found something close. It's located on McArthur Hwy right accross from McDonalds. Anotherwords, as you walk off the end of Field past Paradise Bar, cross McArthur at the light, turn right and in half a block you will see a place with "Spa" in the name. There's a guy behind the counter who collects P495 and shows you a bunch of pictures of girls reminiscent of Jakarta. Pick one, he takes you to a room and you wait for the girl. I've only been once, and can't say much for the massage itself, but when this beautiful 19 yo offered up full service for P1, 000 I simply had to try. She had a great body, was almost too tight, but was GFE. Ok, I know P1, 500 is kinda ridiculous in AC, but at least you can count on your HE.Try Imee massage straight across the road from Paradise Beer Garden. Paid 500 for 1 hour massage and 500 for handjob. They will also come to your hotel room, but price goes up to 700 for the massage. The girl also implied that full service was on the menu.

PIpimp
01-27-12, 00:16
It's your arrogance that offends people not your spending habits. I still can't comprehend why you think people are cheap just because they aren't reckless with their money. There is a big difference between sitting down at a table, having a pretty girl / s with you, and spending lots of money on good wine / champagne / meals and "throwing money from the rafters" or however you put it just so you can see the girls chase the money like vultures to a kill. It's condescending and is an insult to the girls. Your not doing them any favors. All you do by throwing money like that is expose how desperate they are instead of treating them with a little respect. There's a difference between having generous spending habits while enjoying life and openly flaunting what you claim to have. I'm guessing you just cashed a couple unemployment checks and wanted to have one night of fun. Reminds me of the liquor stores when the welfare checks hit. All I'm saying is you can spend as much as you want but you should do it in a classy way that isn't demeaning. If you don't understand that concept they you don't have near the life experience that you claim to have and you have zero social graces.Throwing money to the girls is an insult to the girls? I think the girls would disagree with your statment! Stop being stupid man.

PIpimp
01-27-12, 00:20
You stand corrected. Sure sounds like a generalized condescending statement to me."PIP' has no clue how much money I or any other member here has. Usually when someone brags about the size of there wallet, all they have is show money. Guys with real wealth keep a low profile in the Philippines for obvious reasons.

Personally I could care less if someone spends 100p. 1000p or 100000p per night. It's none of my business. I only made it my business when talked down to. Furthermore my reply to 'PIP' was a fair and balanced response meant to enlighten, but clearly had little effect.EXACTLY Stroker Ace88, it's none of anyone's business how much money the next person spends. The prices do not go up just because some random guys tip big, the prices go up because of inflation. Hell, barfines was $13 in 1997, and now it's $33. I guess guys tipping big caused that.

Krum Lov
01-27-12, 13:27
Guys, three questions I'd like help with:

*Are the blow job shops in Santos St still priced at 700P? And can they be had for 600P?

*Is there a good massage place (on / near main strip) that offers genuine and expert massage? (no happy ending needed)

*And what might be the best restaurant regarding good quality western food at reasonable prices on / near the main strip? I remember the food in Angeles last time I was there and it was incredibly poor.

Thanks in advance, Krum.

Steven007
01-27-12, 17:33
Last time I was at Central Park, they told me they were not allowed to remove the goodies. I asked at the front desk, and the girl there confirmed the goodies had to stay in the room.

The runner. Try this (I know, paranoia, but it seems to have worked). Re-mention the important things in your interview with the mama or oldest waitress after the girl has dressed in street clothes just before you leave. Just takes a moment: 'She's agreed to stay until 10am. ' As the girl comes out from the dressing area and we are leaving, I call the mama or waitress over and run thru my list. Don't be afraid to run thru the entire list, the mama's have heard it all. 'She agreed to ass fuck, cell phone in the safe, lick another girl's pussy and stay till 10am. ' Once, the girl suddenly had a change of heart when I mentioned 10am in front of the waitress (she had agreed to it while chatting her up). That led to an argument between the girl and the waitress. The girl walked away into the dressing room. The waitress said the girl at first claimed she did not say she would stay until 10, then admitted she did say it to me, and she in fact had to get home to her son in the morning (after telling me in chat that she had no children). The fat older mama had come over and was listening in. I had already paid the tab. They asked if I would like to sit and choose another girl. I said no thanks, just bring me my EWR back. Boy, that caused consternation. Another waitress came over and the 3 of them had a worried conversation, and finally they brought my money back to me and I walked.I am glad there are girls who are offering anal sex.

Mc Don
01-27-12, 18:01
Guys, three questions I'd like help with:

*Are the blow job shops in Santos St still priced at 700P? And can they be had for 600P?

*Is there a good massage place (on / near main strip) that offers genuine and expert massage? (no happy ending needed)

*And what might be the best restaurant regarding good quality western food at reasonable prices on / near the main strip? I remember the food in Angeles last time I was there and it was incredibly poor.

Thanks in advance, Krum.In December price was 700p. No idea if you can have it for 600, I think 700 is more the reasonable anyway.

Best genuine massage in AC is in ABC hotel. Trained and qualified massage few packages to chose from however its not cheap. You may want to try and get her off duty for a bargain but I have never done that so I can't say if they will go for it. You may also want to check Medispa.

For decent western food at reasonable price I think your best bet is SM mall.

PIpimp
01-27-12, 18:14
In December price was 700p. No idea if you can have it for 600, I think 700 is more the reasonable anyway.

Best genuine massage in AC is in ABC hotel. Trained and qualified massage few packages to chose from however its not cheap. You may want to try and get her off duty for a bargain but I have never done that so I can't say if they will go for it. You may also want to check Medispa.

For decent western food at reasonable price I think your best bet is SM mall.Mc Don, these are the kind of posts that [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off! Only 700p for a BJ / short time and you want to know if you can get it for 600p? You can not be that cheap! OMG!

Mr Enternational
01-27-12, 18:16
*Is there a good massage place (on / near main strip) that offers genuine and expert massage? (no happy ending needed)This is the place I go to in AC and it is cheap. I live in Thailand so I know what a massage is supposed to be like. The ambiance is great too. The only thing, as I mentioned before, was that they kicked me out to serve another customer when I wanted to add more time. The owner, Miss Anita, had already left by then, but I will run it by her when I am in AC next month. http://www.bodyblissph.com/index.html

Brenno
01-27-12, 18:36
I returned in Angeles after 3 years of my first visit. I still remember the sparkling time I had for one week and girls as many as I cannot remember.

Sadly, those good times seems to be gone. Yes Angeles is still there, the bars on Field are still there (but the blow row on Santos ave is gone, two lousy bar with a handful of girls is what is left at all). The Irish pub with all those gorgeous busty girls on high heels going up and down on the wooden floor, now is a poker room. The Atlantis waitresses no longer keep pencil in between tits, they no longer have tits indeed. Now they wear trousers.

What can you expect from a place where there is a policeman outside any door?

Some policemen often stay even inside the bars, and the girls behave like nuns then. I wonder if they are jealous no-paying clients, checking if the chicks they have just fucked go out with other men. In fact, I noticed no men going out with girls were there was a policeman.

I remember the Central Hotel with a staff of smiling ladies all welcoming anyone with smiles and calling anyone by name. Their happy faces anytime you went in with a girl, and no matter how many girls at a time or in one day you were bringing in, they were all happy for that, maybe because the more girls, the more money you leave in Angeles which is why the all thing exists, after all.

Now the Central Hotel is ruled by stonefaces girls looking at you like the worst animal on earth and why you must come here to do your dirty things just in front of us all? Go away you f. Bastard!

Dealing in the bars is not that easy as it was some years ago.

The first night I fougth with many, ending with a doorgirl who was quite nice and funny. She convinced me on LT which I remember it was always a big mistake in Angeles. In fact, most of the girls escape very early in the morning leaving you with the ST of the evening and no more, and there she went that way, of course. But I had a succesful session at night, at least.

No action day-time in Angeles.

Second night I went in one of the two BJ bar on Santos. Had fun, the girls there are still nice and friendly (maybe because they are ugly). While a was leaving I spotted a small tiny beatiful thing coming out of the second and last bar. I did not even think on it, I just snapped fingers and there we were just around the corner in the room at Central. Beatiful little girl, full of don't. Don't do this, don't do that, she was not even good at BJ, which is why they are supposed to be on Santos.

Third night I passed by the whole row of bar on field. Lot's of "come inside" but once inside I was left alone with my bottle.

This is Angeles? I checked my air-ticket, maybe I got the wrong flight and I landed in europe, where the things go exactly this way.

Then I went on Santos and took the same little doll to see if she could do some better.

"Tomorrow we do again" she jiggled before leaving, yes sure honey I will see you at the bar. And I left for Ifugao.

Poopbunny
01-27-12, 21:27
EXACTLY Stroker Ace88, it's none of anyone's business how much money the next person spends. The prices do not go up just because some random guys tip big, the prices go up because of inflation. Hell, barfines was $13 in 1997, and now it's $33. I guess guys tipping big caused that.I believe the exchange rate of the USD is also much worse and a big contributor to the difference you mentioned.

Poopbunny
01-27-12, 21:29
*And what might be the best restaurant regarding good quality western food at reasonable prices on / near the main strip? I remember the food in Angeles last time I was there and it was incredibly poor.

Thanks in advance, Krum.If you are not after fast food, my vote goes to Swiss Chalet

Mackin
01-27-12, 23:53
Using todays value for the USA dollar it comes out to just short of $36. 00 USA that is a 1500 BF for 42 pesos per dollar. 1500 to 1800 is a decent price. But those 3000 pesos are equal to $72. 00. So it is up to you what you want to spend.

Ekspat
01-28-12, 09:36
Mc Don, You can not be that cheap! OMG!The original post was by Krum Lov, not Mc Don. He just responded.

Suwon
01-28-12, 09:38
Mc Don, these are the kind of posts that [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off! Only 700p for a BJ / short time and you want to know if you can get it for 600p? You can not be that cheap! OMG!The man was answering a question bruv. The original question was whether the price was 600 or 700p! As McD said, the cost is 700p, and that's reasonable.

WestCoast1
01-28-12, 11:13
The prices do not go up just because some random guys tip big, the prices go up because of inflation. Hell, barfines was $13 in 1997, and now it's $33. I guess guys tipping big caused that.Amazingly slow in the economics deparment. One of the causes of inflation: spending more for a product or products (or purchasing more of it) over a period of time than is customary.

If barfines have more than doubled since 1977, its because bar owners raised the prices. This is done, in part, because they realize that 'poriners' are willing to spend extra money for the girls. If everyone (starting in 1977) had stopped tipping, the barfine would be much closer to the $13 you quoted than the current $33.

WestCoast1
01-28-12, 11:24
Mc Don, these are the kind of posts that [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off! Only 700p for a BJ / short time and you want to know if you can get it for 600p? You can not be that cheap! OMG!For most of the Fields p1500 barfines, the girl gets half. P750. And, BTW, she's fine whether you tip or not. Proof of that? See if she's willing to go with you the next night, knowing you didn't tip her the first night. Most likely she will. Many former barfines are willing to spend the night after her shift ends at, say, one am, for p500 (and stay later in the morning, banging a second time, staying thru breakfast or even lunch) , assuming she's comfortable with you (I think you'd be surprised at the goodwill engendered with a Jollibee meal). Why can't a guy ask for a p600 BJ? Krum Luv, you can find p500-700 on the street for ST.

PIP: I would PM you with this, but you are not yet a paid member of ISG. If you'are the big tipper, why not pay up your subscription?

Transporter
01-28-12, 13:29
It's your arrogance that offends people not your spending habits. I still can't comprehend why you think people are cheap just because they aren't reckless with their money. There is a big difference between sitting down at a table, having a pretty girl / s with you, and spending lots of money on good wine / champagne / meals and "throwing money from the rafters" or however you put it just so you can see the girls chase the money like vultures to a kill. It's condescending and is an insult to the girls. Your not doing them any favors. All you do by throwing money like that is expose how desperate they are instead of treating them with a little respect. There's a difference between having generous spending habits while enjoying life and openly flaunting what you claim to have. I'm guessing you just cashed a couple unemployment checks and wanted to have one night of fun. Reminds me of the liquor stores when the welfare checks hit. All I'm saying is you can spend as much as you want but you should do it in a classy way that isn't demeaning. If you don't understand that concept they you don't have near the life experience that you claim to have and you have zero social graces.Are you kidding me, or you just don't get it?

Spending money on the girls or just giving it to them it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know which they prefer.

And it does not matter how much a person has or how much they can afford, it's their vacation, their fun, they can spend it anyway they want to. Please YOURSELF is the only rule. Do what makes YOU happy.

BTW social standards are different in other environments.

Hesekiels
01-28-12, 17:47
. If barfines have more than doubled since 1977, its because bar owners raised the prices.Yes, gentlemen, let's face it, AC became much too expensive over the past decades! I strongly believe that nowadays 500 pesos for a barfine would be more than enough! Of course for LT, an excellent service with bbbjwcim, at least 3 rounds and 100% GFE. Not to forget: At 10am the girl has to invite her customer for a nice breakfast! That would be value for money, or do I expect a little too much? . LOL.

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Sammon
01-28-12, 18:00
Yes, gentlemen, let's face it, AC became much too expensive over the past decades! I strongly believe that nowadays 500 pesos for a barfine would be more than enough! Of course for LT, an excellent service with bbbjwcim, at least 3 rounds and 100% GFE. Not to forget: At 10am the girl has to invite her customer for a nice breakfast! That would be value for money, or do I expect a little too much? . LOL.

Cheers!

HesekielsWell, to be fair all prices are going up in Phi. Electrictity rates are up, salaries are up, rent is up, Alcohol prices are up. So it is no wonder barfine is up also. I remember in 1995 barfins was around 500-600 pesos.

Girls were extremely GFE and everybody stayed till morning and gave another pop. Some even stayed the whole next day. Now things have changed as all girls have learned how to make quick money with least amount of damage to their body.

Still AC is the cheapest mongering destination by far. Problem now is airfare to Manila from orlando, Florida where I live has gone up. I was lucky to book a ticket for $1035 including tax on continental to tokyo and ana to manila in may.

When I tried to book online it did not go through. Only when I called the lady was nice enough to get a seat on ANA. She said it is extremely difficult to get low priced seats on ANA from Tokyo to Manila because ANA normally charges almost $800 for that leg.

All other sites the price was around 1400-1700 for the same dates not including tax.

FruitNinja
01-28-12, 19:38
When I tried to book online it did not go through. Only when I called the lady was nice enough to get a seat on ANA. She said it is extremely difficult to get low priced seats on ANA from Tokyo to Manila because ANA normally charges almost $800 for that leg.

All other sites the price was around 1400-1700 for the same dates not including tax.I was checking all the sites for June and can't get to BKK or Manilla for less than $1700. That's rough. What number did you call?

FruitNinja
01-28-12, 19:45
Sure this has been asked a few times so let me apologize upfront to those that would be offended. Lonely planet says:

"The Philippines' weather has become more unpredictable in recent years, but January to May usually brings the best weather to most of the country. However, this is also the high tourist season. Foreign arrivals are highest in January to March, while Filipinos hit the road en masse in April and May for their 'summer' holidays. Don't worry too much about crowds though; outside of a few popular beach resorts it's never very hard to escape other tourists in the Philippines. Low season is during the 'rainy' months of June to September, which in some areas of the country aren't rainy at all. Accommodation prices usually decrease during this time."

So that tells me very little. What do you guys think? Is this a bad time to go?

I've narrowed my trip down to Thailand and Philippines. Can I assume weather is about the same?

PIpimp
01-28-12, 23:19
For most of the Fields p1500 barfines, the girl gets half. P750. And, BTW, she's fine whether you tip or not. Proof of that? See if she's willing to go with you the next night, knowing you didn't tip her the first night. Most likely she will. Many former barfines are willing to spend the night after her shift ends at, say, one am, for p500 (and stay later in the morning, banging a second time, staying thru breakfast or even lunch) , assuming she's comfortable with you (I think you'd be surprised at the goodwill engendered with a Jollibee meal). Why can't a guy ask for a p600 BJ? Krum Luv, you can find p500-700 on the street for ST.

PIP: I would PM you with this, but you are not yet a paid member of ISG. If you'are the big tipper, why not pay up your subscription?You guys should listen to yourselves. I hope to never hang out with anyone of you cheap guys. Complaining about a 1500 peso barfine. Asia has the cheapest sex with the most beautiful women in the world. Where else other than Asia can you sleep with a hot chick for less than $40? If ya'll want to complain about prices, you should move to Europe or the States or anywhere else other than Asia!

AnonJohn
01-29-12, 05:16
if you are not after fast food, my vote goes to swiss chaletit's not cheap but worth every penny - c's italian, just about a 5 min tryke ride past abc hotel. it rivals many upscale italian places here in the us and where i live is full of great italian places.

Bubbles41
01-29-12, 07:15
Krum Lov I spent 20 days in AC last month for my cherry trip. The woman are awesome & the trip far exceeded all my expectations.

I am a 70 yo, fat, bald, retired guy from south jersey, USA, and enjoy good food. But I was there for the sex & not gourmet food, I did not try any of the Hotel or recommended specialty restaurants.

My best meals were at Margarita Station, fantastic omelets & burgers and Fortune Chinese on MacArthur Blvd (across from casino). Beware Fortune Chinese closes early, like between 9 & 10 pm, like most normal restaurants. The food is 4, I had incredible huge shrimp in a garlic sauce & my girl had jumbo shrimp similar to grandfather chicken w / some pepper flakes (my have been a Thai dish) also huge plate of excellent garlic broccoli.

The only other place I ate was at SM Clark – Krispy Kream Donuts, Pizza Hut, Sbarros, Kenny Rodgers & my all time favorite Philappino fast food – Joolibee (excellent fried, spicy fried or BBQ chicken). You can buy chicken or burgers without the rice or spaghetti.

Also had some good snacks@Phillies Sports Bar – loved that place, live band between 10p & 2a every nite (my favorite a rock band called Free Play on Tues & Fr) , sexy philapinas playing pool, some freelancers, open 24 hrs.

X Man
01-29-12, 10:59
Detroit? Philipadelphia? If you'd prefer not to answer, it's okay. I've lived in both cities. X.


It's not cheap but worth every penny - C's Italian, just about a 5 min tryke ride past ABC hotel. It rivals many upscale Italian places here in the US and where I live is full of great Italian places.

WestCoast1
01-30-12, 01:21
You guys should listen to yourselves. Complaining about a 1500 peso barfine. Asia has the cheapest sex with the most beautiful women in the world. Where else other than Asia can you sleep with a hot chick for less than $40? If ya'll want to complain about prices, you should move to Europe or the States or anywhere else other than Asia!You might be missing my point (leave the emotion out of it). I'm not complaining about the prices. How on earth did you interpret that? I have enough money to give the girls many times what they earn. However, I see no good reason to do that.

Imagine a similar scenario. The girls in your neck of the woods are going for $200-$250 per hour. Some rich arabian princes start jetting into town, and because $10, 000 is nothing to them, they start dropping that large amount on the girls. You think those girls are going to want to go back to $200? Soon the per hour prices rises to $300, then $400, and so on. A few years later you have trouble finding a girl for $500.

The idea here is very simple: whatever the price the girls will work for, is the price you (and I) should give them. If she's willing to work for p500 for a WEEK, it would be very easy for me to give her p10, 000-15, 000. But that would be a mistake. Giving her more simply drives up prices in the future. That's the economic part. The other parts are emotional and cultural. Because you FEEL like you should give her whatever makes you feel good (emotion) , you are pushing your culture upon their culture. If you are OK stepping on someone else's culture to continue with your cultural approach, just recognize it. And ask yourself: did you know you were doing that, and why are you doing that?

A question: If I pay the p1500 ($40) barfine in AC, if I pay the girl's requested 600, 000IDR ($70) in indonesia, and I pay the girl's requested $250 in Miami, does that make me a 'cheap guy'? Are you saying that if I'm willing to pay $250 in Miami, I should give more than $40 in AC?


I hope to never hang out with anyone of you cheap guys.Don't think that's much of a worry for you. Or any of us. Someday, you 'expensive guy', you should pay up the $20 for your membership here, and we can PM.

Fastpiston
01-30-12, 06:28
You might be missing my point (leave the emotion out of it). I'm not complaining about the prices. How on earth did you interpret that? I have enough money to give the girls many times what they earn. However, I see no good reason to do that.

Imagine a similar scenario. The girls in your neck of the woods are going for $200-$250 per hour. Some rich arabian princes start jetting into town, and because $10, 000 is nothing to them, they start dropping that large amount on the girls. You think those girls are going to want to go back to $200? Soon the per hour prices rises to $300, then $400, and so on. A few years later you have trouble finding a girl for $500.

The idea here is very simple: whatever the price the girls will work for, is the price you (and I) should give them. If she's willing to work for p500 for a WEEK, it would be very easy for me to give her p10, 000-15, 000. But that would be a mistake. Giving her more simply drives up prices in the future. That's the economic part. The other parts are emotional and cultural. Because you FEEL like you should give her whatever makes you feel good (emotion) , you are pushing your culture upon their culture. If you are OK stepping on someone else's culture to continue with your cultural approach, just recognize it. And ask yourself: did you know you were doing that, and why are you doing that?

A question: If I pay the p1500 ($40) barfine in AC, if I pay the girl's requested 600, 000IDR ($70) in indonesia, and I pay the girl's requested $250 in Miami, does that make me a 'cheap guy'? Are you saying that if I'm willing to pay $250 in Miami, I should give more than $40 in AC?

Don't think that's much of a worry for you. Or any of us. Someday, you 'expensive guy', you should pay up the $20 for your membership here, and we can PM.Westcoast1: Do not waste your time. There are some people who have a need for attention and over-pay to feel wanted. In reality, the girls consider them easy money and do not respect them other than for a quick gold dig. Sad really, but you cannot change human nature!

WestCoast1
01-30-12, 07:42
Westcoast1: Do not waste your time. There are some people who have a need for attention and over-pay to feel wanted. In reality, the girls consider them easy money and do not respect them other than for a quick gold dig. Sad really, but you cannot change human nature!I was just arguing the academic. I'm very verbose. Somewhat in defense of PIP, I too, on occasion, overpay (wherever I am). Why? Its just easier sometimes than haggling.

Regarding what you said about overpaying: I think it has to do with insecurity. I've spoken directly with guys at Kok's in the afternoon, and some of the stuff that flies out of their mouth I find amazing."The only way you can get a girl to [kiss you / stay later in the morning / not run at night / do anal, etc. ] is to promise to tip her big before taking her from the bar." That's just insecurity. Here is a better idea guy: just tell her what you want before mentioning barfining. She'll either say yes and you're out the door with her, or she'll politely say no and you're sending her back to the dance line.

GoodEnough
01-30-12, 11:11
Never having been to LA, perhaps I shouldn't interject an opinion, but it seems the topic being argued (ad infinitum) is more generic: who pays more than needed and who pays to the generally accepted standard. I'm pretty much out of the market now, but it hasn't been that long and I doubt the rules, assuming there are rules, have changed. I think that the whole issue is a question of duration of stay and experience. The longer-duration guys, who have heard all the stories, made all their mistakes long ago, and are sadder but wiser aren't likely to be duped into paying more than necessary. The guys who haven't reached that threshold for whatever reason, may be more tempted to pay over the top; whether out of a sense of compassion, for extra services, because it makes them feel better or whatever.

There's probably no right or wrong answer here: just experience or the lack thereof. Plus, there are, from time to time, some girls that just get to you. They strike some sort of responsive chord that just resonates somewhere, and you want to give her more than absolutely necessary just to feel good. It's all fine. I'm sure all of us have at one time or another, paid over the top whatever our motivation was for doing so.

At the end of the day who cares really? There's so much endless opportunity, that a few guys who spend a few bucks more isn't going to affect the market one way or the other. The tides of new provincial girls will forever wash up on shore to mingle with the more hardened pros who have been on the game for a while.

GE

Member #4152
01-30-12, 11:35
Never having been to LA, perhaps I shouldn't interject an opinion, but it seems the topic being argued (ad infinitum) is more generic: who pays more than needed and who pays to the generally accepted standard. I'm pretty much out of the market now, but it hasn't been that long and I doubt the rules, assuming there are rules, have changed. I think that the whole issue is a question of duration of stay and experience. The longer-duration guys, who have heard all the stories, made all their mistakes long ago, and are sadder but wiser aren't likely to be duped into paying more than necessary. The guys who haven't reached that threshold for whatever reason, may be more tempted to pay over the top; whether out of a sense of compassion, for extra services, because it makes them feel better or whatever.

There's probably no right or wrong answer here: just experience or the lack thereof. Plus, there are, from time to time, some girls that just get to you. They strike some sort of responsive chord that just resonates somewhere, and you want to give her more than absolutely necessary just to feel good. It's all fine. I'm sure all of us have at one time or another, paid over the top whatever our motivation was for doing so.

At the end of the day who cares really? There's so much endless opportunity, that a few guys who spend a few bucks more isn't going to affect the market one way or the other. The tides of new provincial girls will forever wash up on shore to mingle with the more hardened pros who have been on the game for a while.

GEAmen Brotha! Preach on!

Krum Lov
01-30-12, 12:22
To those guys able to give me advice on santos st, massage and food.

Much appreciated.

X Man
01-30-12, 14:53
Are you saving this stuff? Use a pen name and self publish it, it works for me. Some people are saying "amen"!

I want to respond to the last sentence. It is much more interesting to contemplate how we can slow down the hardening process, while still being generous enough to enjoy the freshness of the tides.

(sidenote: it took me a few minutes to finish this post as a bit of G&E came on the radio. The Jungle)

X Man.


SNIP.

There's probably no right or wrong answer here: just experience or the lack thereof. Plus, there are, from time to time, some girls that just get to you. They strike some sort of responsive chord that just resonates somewhere, and you want to give her more than absolutely necessary just to feel good. It's all fine. I'm sure all of us have at one time or another, paid over the top whatever our motivation was for doing so.

At the end of the day who cares really? There's so much endless opportunity, that a few guys who spend a few bucks more isn't going to affect the market one way or the other. The tides of new provincial girls will forever wash up on shore to mingle with the more hardened pros who have been on the game for a while.

GE

FruitNinja
01-30-12, 18:23
The idea here is very simple: whatever the price the girls will work for, is the price you (and I) should give them. If she's willing to work for p500 for a WEEK, it would be very easy for me to give her p10, 000-15, 000. But that would be a mistake. Giving her more simply drives up prices in the future. That's the economic part. The other parts are emotional and cultural. Because you FEEL like you should give her whatever makes you feel good (emotion) , you are pushing your culture upon their culture. If you are OK stepping on someone else's culture to continue with your cultural approach, just recognize it. And ask yourself: did you know you were doing that, and why are you doing that?Look at what happened in the FSU. Totally agree.

WestCoast1
01-31-12, 04:49
Look at what happened in the FSU. Totally agree.Until a few months ago, I didn't even know that stood for Former Soviet Union. Regarding:

I have many friends here who either are, or at previous times, were married to ukranian or Russian gals. Those who divorced did so for a variety of reasons. Several have traveled in / out of russia for about 2 decades. They are to russia, what many filipine regular board members are here in this thread. Some of them are also members of ISG. They have relayed, individually over the many years, the ever-increasing costs of mongering in FSU. I didn't really pay attention to it until a few months ago. I was browsing the eastern european ISG threads, and having never been there, noticed what I thought were either miss-printed amounts, or overly exaggerated amounts, being given to the girls. Converting the Polish currency to US dollars, I was shocked. They are paying $100+, and up to $500 per hour for a girl. I sent off a PM to what appeared to be several regulars there from western europe, and their replies confirmed the high prices. While waiting for their replies I decided to wade thru the ukraine and Russian threads. Same thing. Guys were bragging up getting model material, but were paying $300+/hour. I PM'd those guys to and confirmed those prices.

I contacted my friends here and enquired why guys would go to russia to get trim at prices they could get model-material at home. My friends no longer bother mongering there, they said, as prices had skyrocketed. The cost increases, in their opinion, are due to two things in FSU:

1. Cultural differences in tipping and spending. They said that europeans and americans are just used to overpaying. They admit their own guilt in the process.

2. The Russian economy improved in the last decade. However, considering what they were paying a decade ago, vs what is being paid now, they don't think the amount of increase in average income justifies what the girls are getting. Hence, see item #1 above.

Sir Lancelot
02-01-12, 01:47
I have read quite a few mentions of 'shot trays' on these pages. How common is this in the bars? I will spend most of my time in Fields but plan to visit Perimeter during the day, especially Pony Tails thanks to recommendations on this forum. Are the shot-trays just a way to get around the bar-fine system following the police raids? I'm assuming that instead of paying, say, a 1500 bar-fine, you buy a tray of drinks for 1500 and then can leave with the girl in your own time. Is this correct?

Mc Don
02-01-12, 06:12
Until a few months ago, I didn't even know that stood for Former Soviet Union. Regarding:

I have many friends here who either are, or at previous times, were married to ukranian or Russian gals. Those who divorced did so for a variety of reasons. Several have traveled in / out of russia for about 2 decades. They are to russia, what many filipine regular board members are here in this thread. Some of them are also members of ISG. They have relayed, individually over the many years, the ever-increasing costs of mongering in FSU. I didn't really pay attention to it until a few months ago. I was browsing the eastern european ISG threads, and having never been there, noticed what I thought were either miss-printed amounts, or overly exaggerated amounts, being given to the girls. Converting the Polish currency to US dollars, I was shocked. They are paying $100+, and up to $500 per hour for a girl. I sent off a PM to what appeared to be several regulars there from western europe, and their replies confirmed the high prices. While waiting for their replies I decided to wade thru the ukraine and Russian threads. Same thing. Guys were bragging up getting model material, but were paying $300+/hour. I PM'd those guys to and confirmed those prices.

I contacted my friends here and enquired why guys would go to russia to get trim at prices they could get model-material at home. My friends no longer bother mongering there, they said, as prices had skyrocketed. The cost increases, in their opinion, are due to two things in FSU:

1. Cultural differences in tipping and spending. They said that europeans and americans are just used to overpaying. They admit their own guilt in the process.

2. The Russian economy improved in the last decade. However, considering what they were paying a decade ago, vs what is being paid now, they don't think the amount of increase in average income justifies what the girls are getting. Hence, see item #1 above.Mongering in Europe and Asia is not the same. Its not just the economy and over tipping but also the nicest girls have left those countries and can be found in Amsterdam, London, Vienna all over Germany so what is left is either the crap or the top of the range that can make the same living at home as in any other place. I am in Warsaw at least twice a year and price has been fairly stable over the past 4-5 years the only difference being the devaluation of the US dollar and the Euro. My main currency being the AUD for me its actually cheaper now than what it was before. Best Polish chick I have ever had was 50 euros in Amsterdam. Second best was in London 40 pounds (both short time). I have had few good once in Warsaw, Poznan and Krakov but not like the one in Amsterdam.

What I am trying to say is you can't compare Europe with its ever more opening borders, cheap flights and no longer visa issues (easyer migration, how many poles reside in London today?), stag parties (incidental mongering, overpaying) , economies on the rise (eastern europe) , better education and opportunities for women, conservative mindset (south / eastern europe. Balkans) and so on vs Philippines which is hard to get to to begin with, then you have lose morals so its much easier to get into their pants, no opportunities, rampant poverty, overpopulation and so on. IMO the only reason why prices rise in places like AC is greedy bar owners and nothing else. The girls would work for less, they work for whatever the bar specifies simply because if they don't do it they have nothing else to do or go back to. All the regulars here have at least one story where they have got a 'bargain' because the girl hasn't eaten for days or needed a place to crash or money to get back home after some asshole stood her up or whatever. In Manila I can see limited alternatives for the girls but in AC we are talking desperate province girls that consider 200-300 peso a day a good wage. Until Philippines can attract mass tourisam the way you see it in thailand or bali individuals spending habits would have very little to do with price rises. Problem is the AC is like Hotel California we always go back, we pay the price and we have very little say in it.

Yella Man
02-01-12, 06:50
There's probably no right or wrong answer here: just experience or the lack thereof. Plus, there are, from time to time, some girls that just get to you. They strike some sort of responsive chord that just resonates somewhere, and you want to give her more than absolutely necessary just to feel good.

At the end of the day who cares really? There's so much endless opportunity, that a few guys who spend a few bucks more isn't going to affect the market one way or the other. The tides of new provincial girls will forever wash up on shore to mingle with the more hardened pros who have been on the game for a while.

GEAmen brother! Know what the going rate is in any given area, but don't be afraid to spend more when you think the service, or girl is worth it.

YM

GreenBud
02-01-12, 10:42
I have read quite a few mentions of 'shot trays' on these pages. How common is this in the bars? I will spend most of my time in Fields but plan to visit Perimeter during the day, especially Pony Tails thanks to recommendations on this forum. Are the shot-trays just a way to get around the bar-fine system following the police raids? I'm assuming that instead of paying, say, a 1500 bar-fine, you buy a tray of drinks for 1500 and then can leave with the girl in your own time. Is this correct?Some of the bars had the shot trays. They stopped the shot trays about 1 or 2 years ago. It was to get around the barfine system; it was a waste since the shots weren't usually drunk (true alcohol abuse). Then they stopped it, and went back to the barfine.

Now it seems most bars on Fields have the Party Animal bottle (Was it due to the raids, or did it start earlier?). Same system as the shot trays. You buy the Party Animal bottle to compensate the bar for the time of the GRO (ha ha, Guest Relations Officer) , in lieu of the barfine. I was told the Party Animal bottle is some type of wine, about 80 pesos at the market. At least now, somebody can keep the bottle of booze; my favorite girl keeps the bottle to sell in Manila when she goes home.

PS: Most barfines on Fields is now more than 1500.:(

Mackin
02-01-12, 21:23
Was in Ac last September and one of our group Bf one from a place. I can't remember the name of it. They were serving the drink tray when the girl was a Bf.

Now can't tell you if more were doing it as we have our girls and / or just find what we are looking for and go from there. Not a lot of bar hopping with us

JPF
02-01-12, 22:31
I have read quite a few mentions of 'shot trays' on these pages. How common is this in the bars?About a year ago we received 2 shot trays out of about 10 times. You don't need to worry about it. Your behaviour doesn't change (no speaking in code) and it doesn't affect the price. A tray just shows up and you can have some shots or not. It is CYA (cover your ass) for the bar and doesn't affect us directly.

Sir Lancelot
02-05-12, 15:28
About a year ago we received 2 shot trays out of about 10 times. You don't need to worry about it. Your behaviour doesn't change (no speaking in code) and it doesn't affect the price. A tray just shows up and you can have some shots or not. It is CYA (cover your ass) for the bar and doesn't affect us directly.Thanks for the advice and for those who have answered my questions in recent weeks. I hope to spend 5 or 6 days in Angeles and will visit the bars on Fields Avenue again and also try the Perimeter bars in the afternoon, especially Pony Tails as various people have suggested. I wil post a report when I return.

Essi
02-11-12, 08:05
Hi mates.

After a long time, maybe 4 years I came back to town here is my impression.

Nice! New developments hotels, restaurants but in general most the same even the traditional "koko","margarita" "Raphsodi" "Camelot" but prices. Gone up much!

Was first night at the "camelot" was boring changed to brown sugar was much more on happy mood girls laugh and have fun, someone bought them animal party 1900 Pesos.

Had good service from one of the waitress At the bar one of the girls 21 whyear old showed interest in me so I decided to barfine her the damage was 1900 P I asked her will you stay till 10am? She agreed so no hassle all was great 3 sessions left at 11. 30 am.

Second night went early at the Las vegas its more expensive than other bars bat because me 2000 pesos for 18 year old girl fresh in AC. The mamasan had a lady drink with me so I could get the best INFO about the girl again agreed for 10am she was really fresh and sexy nothing special. 9.30am sent her home. Till relax area, most of the mongers here are 60+ I guess that they live here. Some 40+ came for fun. Rarely you can find 20-30 year old mongers.

Have fun.

Essi.

S

Gangles
02-11-12, 16:20
Quite some time ago, I learned some of the rules of bargaining when buying goods from stalls.

I also found that when I managed to bargain the seller down to the real price for an item, I was respected, and sometimes congratulated for having done so.

For foreigners who overpaid what the seller first asked for, there was nothing but distain and loss of respect.

I don't know if the same principles apply with P4P girls, particularly as many of them have no experience in the real market, or with bargaining.

But I do believe that the guy who grossly overpays loses the respect of the girl who is servicing him.

G

Ogman
02-12-12, 04:39
Hi mates.

Was first night at the "camelot" was boring changed to brown sugar was much more on happy mood girls laugh and have fun, someone bought them animal party 1900 Pesos.

SMcDon, Sir Lancelot and all my esteemed monger mentors!

I am closing in on arrival in AC. I have read everything all the experts have provided and had one or two last minute bits of info I seek!

Frist off, I will need to stock up on Viagra, Kamgara or other similar support resources but I keep hearing about fakes (mostly Manila Posts). DOes anyone have recommendations on where to buy the best deals on these meds. I also would value any comments on the Indian brands or no names that you have tried successfully and where you'd recommend buying them as well.

Second, I am still vague on the bottle purchases as EWR coverage. Does anyone ever drink these bottles while sitting at the bar and then choose the girl they want to take out. If you chose a girl and bought the bottle, would she event drink it in the bar?

I do plan on paying a for LD for some mamasans so they can guide me to a girl who can supply my desires. It seems like a good investment since I do have a well scripted fun time.

Ogman

Essi
02-12-12, 05:56
McDon, Sir Lancelot and all my esteemed monger mentors!

I am closing in on arrival in AC. I have read everything all the experts have provided and had one or two last minute bits of info I seek!

Frist off, I will need to stock up on Viagra, Kamgara or other similar support resources but I keep hearing about fakes (mostly Manila Posts). DOes anyone have recommendations on where to buy the best deals on these meds. I also would value any comments on the Indian brands or no names that you have tried successfully and where you'd recommend buying them as well.

Second, I am still vague on the bottle purchases as EWR coverage. Does anyone ever drink these bottles while sitting at the bar and then choose the girl they want to take out. If you chose a girl and bought the bottle, would she event drink it in the bar?

I do plan on paying a for LD for some mamasans so they can guide me to a girl who can supply my desires. It seems like a good investment since I do have a well scripted fun time.

OgmanHi,

You can find original Viagra or Cialis at the big pharmacies, Itsalways good to buy mamasan a lady drink it will help.

On the street they will offer you every 20 meters Viagra or other king of. Just egnore it.

Now in many bar when you barfine a girl they tell you no barfine just buy this bottle. Cheap drink stuff kind of coconut vodka its called animal party.

Last night was in la bamba sow there a gorgeous girl 24 whyear old she is a bar tender but she want long serious relation just took her number will see what will happen.

Had dinner in Salvatore on fields av. Not bad but was empty at 7 pm.

At 10 pm heading to blue Nile for my sweet historical memories tons of girls 7 girls for one customer amazing choose one waitress cost 1800 P.

Lady drink is expensive there 250 P.

Have fun.

Essi

Essi
02-12-12, 06:01
Quite some time ago, I learned some of the rules of bargaining when buying goods from stalls.

I also found that when I managed to bargain the seller down to the real price for an item, I was respected, and sometimes congratulated for having done so.

For foreigners who overpaid what the seller first asked for, there was nothing but distain and loss of respect.

I don't know if the same principles apply with P4P girls, particularly as many of them have no experience in the real market, or with bargaining.

But I do believe that the guy who grossly overpays loses the respect of the girl who is servicing him.

GI don't know where you located but here in bars you can't negotiate. Some bars are 1500 P most around 1800 P.

For a freebies in other countries you can bargain with her like in Ukraine, Moldova or other FSU.

Good luck

Mc Don
02-12-12, 10:00
McDon, Sir Lancelot and all my esteemed monger mentors!

I am closing in on arrival in AC. I have read everything all the experts have provided and had one or two last minute bits of info I seek!

Frist off, I will need to stock up on Viagra, Kamgara or other similar support resources but I keep hearing about fakes (mostly Manila Posts). DOes anyone have recommendations on where to buy the best deals on these meds. I also would value any comments on the Indian brands or no names that you have tried successfully and where you'd recommend buying them as well.

Second, I am still vague on the bottle purchases as EWR coverage. Does anyone ever drink these bottles while sitting at the bar and then choose the girl they want to take out. If you chose a girl and bought the bottle, would she event drink it in the bar?

I do plan on paying a for LD for some mamasans so they can guide me to a girl who can supply my desires. It seems like a good investment since I do have a well scripted fun time.

Ogmandon't know about viagra and the like, my wingman buys off the street and usually one pack, if its ok then he buys more the next day. I think he pays around 150-200p per pack. I have bought once Black Ant from one of the bars that was recommended to me by someone here on the forum. Have a look at Black Ant it works even if you drink. At least that was my experience.

Don't worry about the EWR procedure. Each bar has a different ritual these days. Some will just take the money and thats it, girl gets changed and you go with her, other bars bring a tray of drinks to you. Drink if you please, other bars sell you a bottle with the girl. The Party Animal crap is something you probably don't want in your mouth, I usually leave it to the girl and she gives it to her friends in the bar. Weather they have it or sell it back or whatever doesn't bother me. Point is you don't have to take it if you don't want it.

Be careful with the mamasan drinks they know how to play the game to perfection. Make sure you deal with her quick. Try getting some info from the waitress too.

Have fun, I will be around in AC as for few day next week so if anyone is there and wants to barhop PM me.

Bubbles41
02-12-12, 10:06
Ogman.

I had the time of my life on my cherry trip to AC in Dec 2011 for 3 weeks. So I am talking from a certain amount of experience.

The "party animal" bottle is generally left in the bar untouched, it is just a way to be politically correct & avoid the term bar fine.

I have had the most luck selecting girls thru eye contact or she just plops her ass down next to me & starts a conversation. It is best if you let her pick you, assuming she appeals to you. Before buying a drink I will ask if they are available to go out, if they are cherry girl or on mens. I have never involved the mommie in the selection process. After buying a drink, if there is chemistry between us, I will ask her to go out. Every bar has its own system on what they call it & how they bill you. Some just add it to your drink bill, some have the party animal & one I just paid the mommie for the girl & the drinks separately.

I use cialas & buy it on the net, just Google generic viagra or whatever & you will get plenty of hits. There is no use giving you a link because every time I go to reorder the last place I got it is offline. I have also bought 20mg cialas. 4 to a box outside Phillys Sports Bar, while sitting in the bar next to the sidewalk, it is open air. It is the real thing, but of course made in india thou it says otherwise. They ask for 500p for a box of 4, just say you have plenty of your own. They will eventually come down in price. Never buy at the first price. I have paid 500p for 2 box's & also 1000p for 5 box's. I can't use viagra so I don't know the going price. Just keep haggling with them.

X Man
02-13-12, 02:11
SOme good posts for Ogman. Like McDon, I try to minimize my time with the mamas. But you have to be nice to them. I once shooed away a particularly annoying mama and later no girl in the bar would come near me.

And I've given up responding to those who post that the street sellers are selling fake stuff that doesn't work. Well, yes, it is made in India and has a FAKE label, but it works. I generally pay 200 to 250 for box of four of "Cialis" depending on how much I want to haggle. Once a guy offerred some just a few meters from a police office, so I guess someone is getting paid off. Or it just doesn't cross anyone's mind that it is illegal.


don't know about viagra and the like, my wingman buys off the street and usually one pack, if its ok then he buys more the next day. I think he pays around 150-200p per pack. I have bought once Black Ant from one of the bars that was recommended to me by someone here on the forum. Have a look at Black Ant it works even if you drink. At least that was my experience.

Don't worry about the EWR procedure. Each bar has a different ritual these days. Some will just take the money and thats it, girl gets changed and you go with her, other bars bring a tray of drinks to you. Drink if you please, other bars sell you a bottle with the girl. The Party Animal crap is something you probably don't want in your mouth, I usually leave it to the girl and she gives it to her friends in the bar. Weather they have it or sell it back or whatever doesn't bother me. Point is you don't have to take it if you don't want it.

Be careful with the mamasan drinks they know how to play the game to perfection. Make sure you deal with her quick. Try getting some info from the waitress too.

Have fun, I will be around in AC as for few day next week so if anyone is there and wants to barhop PM me.

Gangles
02-13-12, 15:28
When I am in Angeles City, I buy Cialis from the wholesale supplier, who is close to the Sports Bar.

I pay 100 pesos per pack of 4. That is the standard price.

I buy in lots of 50 or 100 boxes, lasts me a long time.

If you are paying more than 100 pesos per pack, then you are being ripped off. Maybe 150 per box of 4 from the street vendor is OK.

Do not pay more.

He pops around the corner and stocks up again from what you have bought.

G


SOme good posts for Ogman. Like McDon, I try to minimize my time with the mamas. But you have to be nice to them. I once shooed away a particularly annoying mama and later no girl in the bar would come near me.

And I've given up responding to those who post that the street sellers are selling fake stuff that doesn't work. Well, yes, it is made in India and has a FAKE label, but it works. I generally pay 200 to 250 for box of four of "Cialis" depending on how much I want to haggle. Once a guy offerred some just a few meters from a police office, so I guess someone is getting paid off. Or it just doesn't cross anyone's mind that it is illegal.

ManonsanBoy
02-13-12, 18:46
Somehow got talking to a young chap late last year in the mall restaurants. He had 2 bfs with him. I was alone. He was in his mid 20's, from Singapore. He takes Cialis so he can bang up to 10 times over a weekend to maximise the value of the trip. Seems excessive to me. The 2 bfs were too busy eating a rather large lunch to pay any attention to our conversation.

ManonsanBoy
02-13-12, 18:50
[quote=gangles; 1247605]when i am in angeles city, i buy cialis from the wholesale supplier, who is close to the sports bar.

i buy in lots of 50 or 100 boxes, lasts me a long time.

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you buy 200-400 tabs at a time. they work for 30-36 hours. are you buying the 5 mg daily dose? i pay around 12 dollars us for 1 20 mg tab in hong kong but i want to find a different source. twice, my generic mail order has been confirep001ed by hk customs.

Ogman
02-14-12, 08:44
When I am in Angeles City, I buy Cialis from the wholesale supplier, who is close to the Sports Bar.

I pay 100 pesos per pack of 4. That is the standard price.

I buy in lots of 50 or 100 boxes, lasts me a long time.

If you are paying more than 100 pesos per pack, then you are being ripped off. Maybe 150 per box of 4 from the street vendor is OK.

Do not pay more.

He pops around the corner and stocks up again from what you have bought.

GThis is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

Ogman
02-14-12, 09:45
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!Okay, I am talking to myself this time but I seek more wisdom from the expert mongers. I know folk have covered this in past posts so I apologize for not doing sufficient research (I did go back 10 pages) but can anyone recommend the best spots of S / T action in the daytime. I am not usually one for L / T since I need my sleep too. I am up and about by 10am usually and like to be on the hunt by 11 am or so give or take an hour. Is there earlier venues like a snack bar or somewhere else a monger could check if all the bars are too normal to be open at 9am for example in AC?

Only hours between me and Manila so less than 24 hours until I am hitting the AC streets.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage! <- hey that sounds a little dirty.

WestCoast1
02-14-12, 15:48
Okay, I am talking to myself this time but I seek more wisdom from the expert mongers. I know folk have covered this in past posts so I apologize for not doing sufficient research (I did go back 10 pages) but can anyone recommend the best spots of S / T action in the daytime. I am not usually one for L / T since I need my sleep too. I am up and about by 10am usually and like to be on the hunt by 11 am or so give or take an hour. Is there earlier venues like a snack bar or somewhere else a monger could check if all the bars are too normal to be open at 9am for example in AC?

Only hours between me and Manila so less than 24 hours until I am hitting the AC streets.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage! <- hey that sounds a little dirty.Any of the Santos Street bars, usually open by noon. Lots of fairly plain girls available, either for 2 hours or 4 hours for takeout. Right around the corner from Swiss Chalet and the mexican restaurant on Real St.

Sammon
02-14-12, 18:52
Okay, I am talking to myself this time but I seek more wisdom from the expert mongers. I know folk have covered this in past posts so I apologize for not doing sufficient research (I did go back 10 pages) but can anyone recommend the best spots of S / T action in the daytime. I am not usually one for L / T since I need my sleep too. I am up and about by 10am usually and like to be on the hunt by 11 am or so give or take an hour. Is there earlier venues like a snack bar or somewhere else a monger could check if all the bars are too normal to be open at 9am for example in AC?

Only hours between me and Manila so less than 24 hours until I am hitting the AC streets.

Thanks in advance for your tutelage! <- hey that sounds a little dirty.Some bars are open 24 hours. You can go to some massage places and ask. You can call massage places and request a in call. Santos ST bars may not have girls in early morning but you can try.

Dollhouse is open 24 hours although daytime girls are old and ugly.

Bubbles41
02-15-12, 03:02
Ogman All the bars on Perimeter open early, close early & are way cheaper than Fields. All the bars except Santos St only have LT. But there are a lot of bars on perimeter that cost 1100p & 1200p for LT. Most girls will be happy to leave after a few hours & go back to the bar for another BF or if single mom home to her kid.

For instance Candy Bar opens with a partial lineup at noon & the rest at 2pm for 1100p. Various perimeter bars open at 10am, noon or 2pm & prices run between 1100p & 1500p.

Sxxxx
02-15-12, 05:45
Was wondering if anyone knows of a bar or two that are genuinely fun bars.

Places where girls are happy, making fun, interacting with customers?

Too many are regimented, controlled, want a fun bar. Any you know of? Thanks

FreebieFan
02-15-12, 08:39
And I've given up responding to those who post that the street sellers are selling fake stuff that doesn't work. Well, yes, it is made in India and has a FAKE label, but it works. I generally pay 200 to 250 for box of four of "Cialis" depending on how much I want to haggle. Once a guy offerred some just a few meters from a police office, so I guess someone is getting paid off. Or it just doesn't cross anyone's mind that it is illegal.Kamagra is also made in India and is a stunning product, especially the gel packs which work way faster. BAngkok is a great place to buy and sadly haven't come across Kamagra benig sold in Philippines. A new market waiting to happen.

Bubbles41
02-15-12, 09:08
Ogman.

Normally when you mention ST bars, Santos St comes to mind, but since I have no first hand knowledge of them, I will talk about an alternative. The Perimeter bars are LT but with the cheap price's its easy to think of them as ST. The BF's run from 1100p to 1500p, with a large number of them 1100p or 1200p. There hours are generally from noon to midnight. At these prices it's easier to justify a ST instead of the 1800+ on fields.

Since you only want ST, it is not a problem, after a few hours, you tell them they can leave, if they are single mom they will go home to their kid, if not back to the bar & get another BF.

One of my favorites is Candy Bar, opens at Noon with limited lineup & all the rest start at 2p. BF is 1100p & the girls are very frisky. Closes at midnight or earlier if everyone has been BF.

Sir Lancelot
02-16-12, 18:23
Kamagra is also made in India and is a stunning product, especially the gel packs which work way faster. BAngkok is a great place to buy and sadly haven't come across Kamagra benig sold in Philippines. A new market waiting to happen.I have use Cialis and find that sometimes I get a red blister around my kidney area, so this gel pack sounds interesting. What exactly is it? Do you apply the gel directly? Any idea of price. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

Incidentally, I have picked up Cialis without prescription in the past but a few years ago I bought some Cialis from the street in Angeles. As instructed, I held out for a cheaper price then their first offer and the guy was more than happy to come down. The packaging looked the same but the pills were a darker orange (as opposed to the sandy colour). They tasted different too. I found that they worked but not as well.

Bigga
02-19-12, 15:44
Ogman All the bars on Perimeter open early, close early & are way cheaper than Fields. All the bars except Santos St only have LT. But there are a lot of bars on perimeter that cost 1100p & 1200p for LT. Most girls will be happy to leave after a few hours & go back to the bar for another BF or if single mom home to her kid.

For instance Candy Bar opens with a partial lineup at noon & the rest at 2pm for 1100p. Various perimeter bars open at 10am, noon or 2pm & prices run between 1100p & 1500p.I am a little confuse here. Does the bar fine include the cost of taking the girl home? Because in Thailand, you will have to negotiate with the girls separately for the cost of the night. If so, how much does the girl charge separately for LT?

Damn that is quite expensive bar fine compared to Thailand.

El Ted
02-19-12, 18:22
I spent two weeks in Angeles last month. Since I have been there a few times before, I decided this time to take the path less traveled and restrict myself to DateInAsia only. Unless you count a couple of early morning take outs from Santos, I did not bar fine at all during my stay. My hotel was Wild Orchid which was great, both for location and comfort.

I started my search about three weeks before arrival. I quickly weeded out the bar girls, the ones who answer every question or statement with "yah" or "OIC". I was very honest in my DIA profile and in my approach to the girls that I was only looking for short time company during my vacation and nothing further. Most of them had no problem with this, and in fact they appreciated the honesty since they were used to the opposite from other contacts in DIA.

When I arrived I had a list of about 30 girls. Since they were non-pros and most had regular jobs, I could not depend on them being available when nature called, so I had a plan A, B and C for every day. Time and space is even more relative to these ladies than it was to Einstein, so it is important to be very clear about meeting arrangements. Don't let them tell you they will meet you at your hotel in the afternoon, because that could be anytime from 12 noon to 9 in the evening. Be specific, for example 2pm at Kokomos.

I had chatted with all of them in advance and seen most of them on cam, so I knew what I was getting into. I had some lovely sessions with very few disappointments. I tipped them from 500 to 1500 pesos depending on how much time they spent with me and how much I enjoyed it.

Some other observations:

I agree with others here that Perimeter bars are more fun than Fields bars in general. I liked Pony Tails where the girls really seemed to have great fun dancing on stage. Compare that with most of the girls on Fields who stand around like pillars of salt barely batting their overly made up eye lashes.

Sitting in a bar I would sometimes call down a girl to have a drink with me. I always picked one who seemed to have fun on stage, laughing and joking with her friends. But having bought them a LD, some of them suddenly took a vow of silence and did not offer much in the way of conversation. If they were as attractive up close as they looked on stage I would sometimes try the effort of coaxing them out of their shelves, but mostly I would just let them finish the drink in silence and return to dancing.

Since I am not a late night kind of guy, I would go out around 8 at night. I don't know when the Fields bars get going, but most of the time there would be no more than 3 or 4 customers in the bar when I arrived (and some of those seemed more like part of the inventory). I don't enjoy myself much in an empty bar since I like to sit down, have a drink and watch the dancers and waitresses before making my choice. Instead I would be surrounded by staff pushing me to buy more drinks and to pick a girl.

Nomadic Mong
02-19-12, 22:10
Fellows.

How is Easter in AC. Any thing different and / or interesting in AC

WestCoast1
02-19-12, 23:21
I am a little confuse here. Does the bar fine include the cost of taking the girl home? Because in Thailand, you will have to negotiate with the girls separately for the cost of the night. If so, how much does the girl charge separately for LT?

Damn that is quite expensive bar fine compared to Thailand.I tried to send you a PM, but you aren't a paid member of the site. If you can afford to go to Thailand / Philippines, spend the $20 for a membership here. Barfines in AC are all-inclusive, you don't have to tip the girl separately, unless you desire to in the morning. Pay up, post a Field Report, then ask questions.

WestCoast1
02-19-12, 23:45
I spent two weeks in Angeles last month. Since I have been there a few times before, I decided this time to take the path less traveled and restrict myself to DateInAsia only. Unless you count a couple of early morning take outs from Santos, I did not bar fine at all during my stay. My hotel was Wild Orchid which was great, both for location and comfort.Nice report stud.

Bigga, Ted does not have a membership either. Notice, he posted a report. Get thee busy.

GreenBud
02-20-12, 06:14
Just wondering what the ATM limits are and what the currency exchange is like at Clark Field. Not sure if it's best to bring cash and exchange it or just bring a little cash and use the ATM. I have a Bank of America ATM card. Thanks,The ATM limits on most Philippino banks is 10K pesos.

Note that Philippino Banks will charge you an ATM fee of 300 pesos.

There are now ATMs on Fields and Perimeter; there are many at SM mall.

There is a Citi Bank on MacArthur Hwy (across the casino) that has a higher limit; I took out 15K; now sure what the max is. HSBC has a high limit, but I didn't see any in Angeles. The Citi Bank was the best because it didn't have any ATM fees.

The exchange rate (excluding the ATM fee, if any) is good; it is between the buy and sell rate; the banks now make money from the ATM fees; you can't get a better rate with the moneychangers.

Also note that Bank of America has always been a "rip-off" type of bank. They probably have foreign transaction fees and possibily other fees.