Angeles City

[Pip Jaeger]

22 year old Sally. 5' and about 33kgs from Club Asia. Despite the sexy tongue piercing and the high EWR (2, 500 pesos) Sally turned out to be somewhat of a disappointment. Her oral skills weren't that great and after a few minutes of cowgirl I got the 'I tired, you dribe' routine. At that point I said to myself: 'self – I'll bet she'll want to go early too'. And sure enough a little later she came up with some bola bola about her kid (said she didn't have any kids when I asked her in the bar) and wanted to take off at around 4am. Needless to say, she left with only trike fare and seemed happy to get that.

[Pip Jaeger]

18 year old Marylou (on the left) and 20 year old Reychelle from the 'Q' club; both are 4'11 and about 32/34 kgs. As far as 3some's go this one was good, not great, just good. Had them do a double BBBJ and then took turns. As soon as one said 'I tired', I said 'switch', LOL – and so went it for a couple of hours. No girl on girl action, but I knew this before I paid the EWR. I just couldn't make up my mind which one I wanted, so when in doubt – take them both! A quickie in the morning and then back to sleep to rest up for later.

[Pip Jaeger]

For my last day in AC I took out Josiphine and Jessica again, this time for 24 hours. I was just going to take Josey again and perhaps find another girl, but when I called Mama Lisa she told that Jessica was ready again. Apparently she's one of those girls who have a three day period or the whole thing about getting her period was just bola bola – you never know; and frankly I don't care.

Picked them up at around 7pm and went over to the Swiss Chalet for dinner. The food there is very good (I also went for lunch there twice) ; I had the pork Wiener schnitzel with spaetzle (highly recommended if you like that kind of food) and the girls both had spaghetti. With soft drinks I think the total was just under 1, 000 pesos. Going off on a tangent here – any of you other guys notice how much these girls can eat? I mean they put away what I would estimate to be around 12oz of pasta before I had even finished one cutlet. On some other occasions with other girls it was the same thing – little Justine sucked up a huge amount of Pork Sisig, together with about a cup and a half of rice like it was nothing!

Anyhow, back to Josey and Jessica. After dinner it was back to the hotel for a few hours of fun and a late night swim as well as a bit of fun in the hot tub too. The next morning I woke up facing Jessica – so I let her start off chopping the morning wood. After our session we went down to the pool for a while and had lunch in the hotel Resto. These girls were like water rats, man did they love the pool and along with a few mango / pineapple shakes it was a good day. Back up to the room later in the afternoon for a few more hours of fun before sending them back to Mama Lisa at the Prince of Wales.

[Undercoverh]

You guys are reminding me of the dude who got jailed, and nearly disappeared, in Pakistan for several months after customers officers at the border noticed that his watch had a micro spy cam inside of it and accused him of being a spy.Thanks for the info, but I have no plans to go to Pakistan.

[Wazoo]

It sounds pretty unethical to me.I'll leave aside the ethical issues and comment only about the legal aspects. In the US, it is illegal to make an audio recording of someone without their knowledge. You'll find many products that make video recording only to avoid that problem. It's also illegal to make lewd video recordings of someone without their knowledge, such as upskirt shots or hiding a camera in a bathroom. People get prosecuted for this all the time. And for God's sake don't take any lewd or even provocative shots of minors. It's not illegal to take lewd video of yourself, of course. As I understand it, it's a legal gray area to take video of sex acts with yourself and another person in the same frame when they don't have prior knowledge. Getting permission is best, of course.

[Mc Don]

Thanks for the info, but I have no plans to go to Pakistan.Maybe you should listen to what people are trying to tell you. If you ever get caught by phil customs you are fucked. You realise its ILIGAL to take nude photos of filipinas. Those devices if found will mean that you get searched far more thorough then if you had just a cam with you. Anyway I am sure the advice will fall on deaf ears so good luck anyway

[Member #4698]

I think the odds of 'phil customs' checking some random tourist's digital content without cause is pretty low. But just to be safe, I suggest ALL Punters move their digital content to the cloud or encrypt it on your computer before leaving the country.

[Member #4698]

22 year old Sally. 5' and about 33kgs from Club Asia. Despite the sexy tongue piercing and the high EWR (2, 500 pesos) Sally turned out to be somewhat of a disappointment. Her oral skills weren't that great and after a few minutes of cowgirl I got the 'I tired, you dribe' routine. At that point I said to myself: 'self – I'll bet she'll want to go early too'. And sure enough a little later she came up with some bola bola about her kid (said she didn't have any kids when I asked her in the bar) and wanted to take off at around 4am. Needless to say, she left with only trike fare and seemed happy to get that.Crikey, kind of the same thing happened to me with a girl I took out of Club Asia. We were getting along nicely in the bar and after I bar fined her, I took her to Atlantis to see the show and have a few more shots. Everything looked good and I was expecting another fun AC night. But then back in my hotel room, after our first shag which was ok - not great, but ok (soapy shower, BBBJ, and BBFS in multiple positions), she started getting phone calls from a girlfriend like every 10 minutes. After the 4th or 5th phone call, I even talked to the girlfriend and told her that Edsel was working and not to call again. But the calls continued after another 10 minutes or so. Edsel then meekly asked if she could go and meet her friend who was apparently waiting for her somewhere. At this point, I thought it was a good idea and I said sure, Go! I did not want her anymore.

I remember a tip Westcoast made a while back: that as soon as you return to your hotel room, either tell the girl to turn off her cell or to hand it over to be placed in the room safe until morning. I never needed to do this before. Edsel was my first and so far only runner. She was also the most expensive EWR I ever paid in AC (3000p) and the worst Philippine bar girl I ever had to date. Definately a girl to avoid even though she was real pretty and the first round was ok. But, I guess I was overdue for a lemon. One in twenty five is not a bad stat.

They have some very cute girls in Club Asia, but your post Pip, makes me think this is more than a problem with one individual girl. I think Club Asia may be a rip off joint. I don't know for sure.

[Great Expecta]

I'm headed to Angeles City on 29 June for a week and have been RTFF to catch up on what's going on. I keep seeing references to "Perimeter Road". Where is that? Does it go by another name? If anyone will be there during the same timeframe and would like to meet up, shoot me a note.

GE

[Undercoverh]

I'll leave aside the ethical issues and comment only about the legal aspects. In the US, it is illegal to make an audio recording of someone without their knowledge. You'll find many products that make video recording only to avoid that problem. It's also illegal to make lewd video recordings of someone without their knowledge, such as upskirt shots or hiding a camera in a bathroom. People get prosecuted for this all the time. And for God's sake don't take any lewd or even provocative shots of minors. It's not illegal to take lewd video of yourself, of course. As I understand it, it's a legal gray area to take video of sex acts with yourself and another person in the same frame when they don't have prior knowledge. Getting permission is best, of course.Ok, let's take a step back for a few seconds and think about a few important points. First, this is a site men come to (including yourself) to learn where to go to pay for sex with women. In this case, it is the Philippines. Paying for sex with women in the Philippines is not legal (and yes the police are paid off to look the other way, but it is still not legal). Based on the fact you are here on this site and you have postings about the Philippines, we can assume you have paid for (or intend to pay for) sex with women in the Philippines. Thus, you (or non of us) are in any position to advice others about not breaking laws.

Second. For those of you who have moral issues about using spy equipment, you are at the wrong website to express your moral outrage. Many folks around the world would look at the fact that you are at a site with the intent to find locations where you can go to pay for sex (with women in a 3rd world country) and conclude you are a person without any moral or basic human values. Anyone who needs to post their moral values here, should first give up their membership to this website.

Third. we are all adults here. No need to advice other adult men on what you think they should or should not do. Or, attempt to advice us about not using the spy cam on minors. As adults males, we really do already know this stuff. If using spy equipment is not right for you, then that is fine. But no need to preach to others about the sins of using it. I do not like anal sex with women, but I will never tell another guy he should not do it for legal or moral grounds. It is his choice. He does not need me preaching to him about why he should not do it, at least not at this website named International Sex Guide.

And lastly, I assume as adults males on this website, most have common sense. Therefore, I did not feel the need to advice adult males not to display spy cam equipment when trying to enter a country. Most men with common sense would know they need to pack it. Or, not to use the spy cam on minors, becareful where they store the data, or put a jacket on when it is cold outside, etc. Telling other adult men to be careful of this and that, is like the warning label on the hair dryer which reads something like this....do not use this hair dryer while taking a bath.

P.S. Most would agree that western governments are experts at syping and they do it with no moral or legal concerns. Companies access your data without you knowing it and that is a form of spying. Simply stated, it is the world we live in.

[Malfunction]

I'm headed to Angeles City on 29 June for a week and have been RTFF to catch up on what's going on. I keep seeing references to "Perimeter Road". Where is that? Does it go by another name? If anyone will be there during the same timeframe and would like to meet up, shoot me a note.

GEAlso known as Don Juico Ave. From Fields Ave just head west, along the same road from about the friendship jeepney terminal you are now on Perimeter.

[Wazoo]

third. we are all adults here. no need to advice other adult men on what you think they should or should not do.hey, no moral outrage here. as you say, we are all grownups. i'm just clarifying the law in the us so that members can make their own calculation about risk / benefit and take necessary precautions to clean up afterwards. we all need to know what is and isn't legal so we can make an informed decision. i drive over the speed limit all the time, and because i do that, i want to know what the speed limit actually is on any given road and how often it is patrolled. a friend of mine got caught up in a raid in a massage parlor in the states. there was no evidence so the cops had to let him go. until they noticed the spy cam in his gym bag.

[Key Master]

22 year old Sally. 5' and about 33kgs from Club Asia. Despite the sexy tongue piercing and the high EWR (2, 500 pesos) Sally turned out to be somewhat of a disappointment. Her oral skills weren't that great and after a few minutes of cowgirl I got the 'I tired, you dribe' routine. At that point I said to myself: 'self – I'll bet she'll want to go early too'. And sure enough a little later she came up with some bola bola about her kid (said she didn't have any kids when I asked her in the bar) and wanted to take off at around 4am. Needless to say, she left with only trike fare and seemed happy to get that.Thanks for all the reports and especially Club Asia. This bar seems to bar fine a lot of their women out nightly but my experience is that they have a tendency to lie here more so than the average bar girl. I think their lighting in the bar is deceptive. I won't bother with specifics, but use your imagination. When they consider most of their women working there as spotlights or what not where they have a higher barfine than average across Fields, and then the women and the club plays games, it just makes it a riskier proposition.

[Wazoo]

I visited every bar on Fields Av in February so here is a map I compiled as well as a list of my TOP TEN BARS.

LancelotOutstanding report, sir! I am saving this one to my cell phone to use for reference. This one deserves to go in the Reports of Distinction.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I was at AC last week for 4 days first night went to Camelot barfined Joyce a nice girl with a hot body new girl only work in bar for week, some korean broke her cherry a week before no BJ and very shy, after one pop she want to leave to pick up something from her girl friend she told me she be back in one hr and never did, I went back to the bar the next night and compain to the mamasan she said after you pop no refund but I ask the girl in front of he mamasan that she will stay until 8 am in the morning and I ask to talk to the manager she said not avalible.

I order a drink and ask the waitress very nice girl who is the manager I told her what happen last night and she was there when I ask joyce she will stay all night and I give the waitress a nice tip, she bring over the manager big daddy a aussie a very nice guy and told him what happen and he talk to the girl and the waitress and refund the girl comission 825 p back to me the barfined are 1900 p and I barfined the waitress for the night she is a GFE and stay all night until 9am the next morning so for all you newbie don't give in to the bar girl that lie to you and don't talk to the mamasan they don't give a shit and will help the girl and tip the girl if she stay all night and give good service.

Fast Eddie 48

[HeadRack]

Quick question! Do wg hang out in the hotels like in Costa Rica at the Del Ray? And I'm staying at the abc, but considering the lgh. Which one of those would be the best move? Also can you negotiate the price of a barfine?

[Undercoverh]

I was at AC last week for 4 days first night went to Camelot barfined Joyce a nice girl with a hot body new girl only work in bar for week, some korean broke her cherry a week before no BJ and very shy, after one pop she want to leave to pick up something from her girl friend she told me she be back in one hr and never did, I went back to the bar the next night and compain to the mamasan she said after you pop no refund but I ask the girl in front of he mamasan that she will stay until 8 am in the morning and I ask to talk to the manager she said not avalible.

I order a drink and ask the waitress very nice girl who is the manager I told her what happen last night and she was there when I ask joyce she will stay all night and I give the waitress a nice tip, she bring over the manager big daddy a aussie a very nice guy and told him what happen and he talk to the girl and the waitress and refund the girl comission 825 p back to me the barfined are 1900 p and I barfined the waitress for the night she is a GFE and stay all night until 9am the next morning so for all you newbie don't give in to the bar girl that lie to you and don't talk to the mamasan they don't give a shit and will help the girl and tip the girl if she stay all night and give good service.

Fast Eddie 48I am happy read someone got justice with these runners on Fields ave. I had my first runner 14 years ago on Fields ave, I guess much has not changed there. For sure, the girls know when they are talking to us and making the promise they will stay, they intend to leave sooner than the agreed time. I am always surprised how the girls can be so sweet and sexy in the bar then back in the room change. If I wanted sex problems, I would stay home with my wife, no need to travel to AC to get it.

But, I have found a solution. Over the years, I have tried Fields, Prem Road, Raymond St, and Blowrow (and dating regular girls there I find from the dating websites for the AC. I have not had a runner yet from Raymond St and Blowrow (A. Santos Street) in the past 6 years (that must be a worlds record). I go to AC at least 2 to 3 times a year on 2 or 4 day trips. I like that on Raymond and A. Santos, the minimum time is set at 12 hours by the bar, not the girl. You pay 1200 to 1400 to the mama, and you get at least 12 hours, stated up front. Which includes a BBBJ, and at least 2 pops. Bare back sex is up to the girl. Nevertheless, I always show the girl the time on my cell phone and we agree what time she will leave me at night or in the morning. When I pay, I also tell the mama, with the girl standing there, the time we agreed she would leave. I also say in a nice in kidding way,"ok, if she leaves early, I am coming back for a big refund." The mama will laugh and say "no problem with girl sir."

Also, I guess it helps that I am a regular customer on Santos and Raymond st. I normally sit and talk with the mama, buy her a drink. There is one mama on Raymond St that is old, but she does not wear a bra under her top, and her tits have a sexy little point on them. I normally play with mama with mama and hug her when I see her (so I can feel her tits against me). Ok, I know this is, well, weird, but it gets me hard and ready for the younger girls. I never asked mama out for a ST, maybe I will in the future. I know she was a bar girl when she was young and her pussy has been worked over, but sometimes I am in a funny mood.

Years ago, I started to bypass Fields because of the runners. I thought I would give it a try again on my next trip, but after reading your report, maybe I will stick with my old good hangouts. When I have a runner, I have a bad mood all night and the next morning. From the post here, other guys have had good results with Santos and Raymond st. These little bars are basic and they can only keep customers coming back because of service and low price for sex. I am sold on the concept! I will visit Fields for the shows and check out the girls dancing, get a few feels. But I will leave the sex stuff to the pros on Raymond and Santos street.

If you want to check out Raymond St., go to you tube and copy and past the following "hookers in the Philippines=Raymond St.MTS" this will give u an idea of the girls. however, the selection will change often, the girls come and go.

[Chute]

I am happy read someone got justice with these runners on Fields ave. I had my first runner 14 years ago on Fields ave, I guess much has not changed there. For sure, the girls know when they are talking to us and making the promise they will stay, they intend to leave sooner than the agreed time. I am always surprised how the girls can be so sweet and sexy in the bar then back in the room change. If I wanted sex problems, I would stay home with my wife, no need to travel to AC to get it.AC has full of runners these days.

A week ago, I barfined one from Cambodia who promised to stay until morning. She also insited she was so horny that night.

However, I was quite nervous due to recent increasing number of crooked barfine experience.

After eating, we went back to room and the nightmare started.

There in the room, she started acting with attitude and was totally different girl from the one I saw in the bar.

After sensing this, I immediately fought back by telling her "What the hell is wrong with you? I am taking you back to the bar to get my FULL MONEY back! NOW!"

And I was serious to do that as I did several times in the past.

To my surprise, she started getting scared of my plan, and apologized but I insisted.

She insisted back by begging me not to do that (hun, maybe she has a strict mama-san or whatever).

It was funny after the argument, she immediately went to take shower and came back telling "OK you fuck me now."

She was quite subimissive sinc then.

I was in a confused moond but fucked her 3 times as hard as I could.

She left about 10 in the next morning.

Just one advice:

Yes as long as you don't fuck her, you can get full refund from the bar.

On many occasions, you can tell thing are not going well as promised before you fuck the girl.

It is also a very good idea to joke around with Mama-san that your girl promised all night in order to make the refund process smooth.

I did it several times from several bars in AC. On all cases, I got full refund.

Don't shy away and fight for your hard-earned money.

Chute

[Sammon]

I'm headed to Angeles City on 29 June for a week and have been RTFF to catch up on what's going on. I keep seeing references to "Perimeter Road". Where is that? Does it go by another name? If anyone will be there during the same timeframe and would like to meet up, shoot me a note.

GEGo to Wayne's AC map.

If you go up to ABC hotel and continue, you are entering perimeter road. You can see a fence on the right side. There are many bars spaced out. Easy to walk in the daytime but better to use trike at night.

[DarwinP]

Go to Wayne's AC map.

If you go up to ABC hotel and continue, you are entering perimeter road. You can see a fence on the right side. There are many bars spaced out. Easy to walk in the daytime but better to use trike at night.Try this website I once used it when I visited Angeles City 2 months ago

http://philippines.adultsearch.com/angeles-city/

They have a huge list with pictures and location. Nice website

[Undercoverh]

AC has full of runners these days.

A week ago, I barfined one from Cambodia who promised to stay until morning. She also insited she was so horny that night.

However, I was quite nervous due to recent increasing number of crooked barfine experience.

After eating, we went back to room and the nightmare started.

There in the room, she started acting with attitude and was totally different girl from the one I saw in the bar.

After sensing this, I immediately fought back by telling her "What the hell is wrong with you? I am taking you back to the bar to get my FULL MONEY back! NOW!"

And I was serious to do that as I did several times in the past.

To my surprise, she started getting scared of my plan, and apologized but I insisted.

She insisted back by begging me not to do that (hun, maybe she has a strict mama-san or whatever).

It was funny after the argument, she immediately went to take shower and came back telling "OK you fuck me now."

She was quite subimissive sinc then.

I was in a confused moond but fucked her 3 times as hard as I could.

She left about 10 in the next morning.

Just one advice:

Yes as long as you don't fuck her, you can get full refund from the bar.

On many occasions, you can tell thing are not going well as promised before you fuck the girl.

It is also a very good idea to joke around with Mama-san that your girl promised all night in order to make the refund process smooth.

I did it several times from several bars in AC. On all cases, I got full refund.

Don't shy away and fight for your hard-earned money.

ChuteGood advice. I guess the key is to not only pick a girl you like in the bar, but also establish a friendly working relathionship with the mama. This will be noticed by the girl you barfine and will help with refunds, before the deed is done. I like the fact that your girl changed her mood once you showed her you were serious about going back to the bar. That shows me these girls will act with a attitude if they can get away with it, plus leave early, if they can get away with it.

If I go to Fields, I will try your approach. But, for me, the mood is really spoiled if I have to fight with the girl about sex, leaving early, want to stop having sex because she is tired, or having a bad attitude. All of this reminds me of my wife. LOL. On my next trip, I will get laid on Raymond or Santos during the day (they are open 24 hours a day) , then try a Fields girl at night. I will give Fields one more try. If I get bad service, I will write a letter to the mayor about the poor quality of girls in his city! LOL

[Fast Eddie 48]

AC has full of runners these days.

A week ago, I barfined one from Cambodia who promised to stay until morning. She also insited she was so horny that night.

However, I was quite nervous due to recent increasing number of crooked barfine experience.

After eating, we went back to room and the nightmare started.

There in the room, she started acting with attitude and was totally different girl from the one I saw in the bar.

After sensing this, I immediately fought back by telling her "What the hell is wrong with you? I am taking you back to the bar to get my FULL MONEY back! NOW!"

And I was serious to do that as I did several times in the past.

To my surprise, she started getting scared of my plan, and apologized but I insisted.

She insisted back by begging me not to do that (hun, maybe she has a strict mama-san or whatever).

It was funny after the argument, she immediately went to take shower and came back telling "OK you fuck me now."

She was quite subimissive sinc then.

I was in a confused moond but fucked her 3 times as hard as I could.

She left about 10 in the next morning.

Just one advice:

Yes as long as you don't fuck her, you can get full refund from the bar.

On many occasions, you can tell thing are not going well as promised before you fuck the girl.

It is also a very good idea to joke around with Mama-san that your girl promised all night in order to make the refund process smooth.

I did it several times from several bars in AC. On all cases, I got full refund.

Don't shy away and fight for your hard-earned money.

ChuteTo Chute,

I agree never back down to this girl from Camelot I did bang her one time because she lie to me twice and so did the mamasan, the manager big daddy told me he want to teach the girl a lesson not to lie to customer he refund even I didn't demand a refund, I just want to take another girl and paid half the barfine so if you guy don't want a runner go to Camelot pick a girl made her promise she will stay all night in front of big daddy made sure that you buy him a drink, there are some very cute girl there for 1900 p some of this girl can go for 3000 p at crystal palace easy.

Fast Eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

I am happy read someone got justice with these runners on Fields ave. I had my first runner 14 years ago on Fields ave, I guess much has not changed there. For sure, the girls know when they are talking to us and making the promise they will stay, they intend to leave sooner than the agreed time. I am always surprised how the girls can be so sweet and sexy in the bar then back in the room change. If I wanted sex problems, I would stay home with my wife, no need to travel to AC to get it.

But, I have found a solution. Over the years, I have tried Fields, Prem Road, Raymond St, and Blowrow (and dating regular girls there I find from the dating websites for the AC. I have not had a runner yet from Raymond St and Blowrow (A. Santos Street) in the past 6 years (that must be a worlds record). I go to AC at least 2 to 3 times a year on 2 or 4 day trips. I like that on Raymond and A. Santos, the minimum time is set at 12 hours by the bar, not the girl. You pay 1200 to 1400 to the mama, and you get at least 12 hours, stated up front. Which includes a BBBJ, and at least 2 pops. Bare back sex is up to the girl. Nevertheless, I always show the girl the time on my cell phone and we agree what time she will leave me at night or in the morning. When I pay, I also tell the mama, with the girl standing there, the time we agreed she would leave. I also say in a nice in kidding way,"ok, if she leaves early, I am coming back for a big refund." The mama will laugh and say "no problem with girl sir."

Also, I guess it helps that I am a regular customer on Santos and Raymond st. I normally sit and talk with the mama, buy her a drink. There is one mama on Raymond St that is old, but she does not wear a bra under her top, and her tits have a sexy little point on them. I normally play with mama with mama and hug her when I see her (so I can feel her tits against me). Ok, I know this is, well, weird, but it gets me hard and ready for the younger girls. I never asked mama out for a ST, maybe I will in the future. I know she was a bar girl when she was young and her pussy has been worked over, but sometimes I am in a funny mood.

Years ago, I started to bypass Fields because of the runners. I thought I would give it a try again on my next trip, but after reading your report, maybe I will stick with my old good hangouts. When I have a runner, I have a bad mood all night and the next morning. From the post here, other guys have had good results with Santos and Raymond st. These little bars are basic and they can only keep customers coming back because of service and low price for sex. I am sold on the concept! I will visit Fields for the shows and check out the girls dancing, get a few feels. But I will leave the sex stuff to the pros on Raymond and Santos street.

If you want to check out Raymond St, go to you tube and copy and past the following "hookers in the Philippines=Raymond St. MTS" this will give you an idea of the girls. However, the selection will change often, the girls come and go.To undercover.

I first go to AC back in 2002 everything is so cheap back then and the girl attuide is very good no runner, I didn't get my first runner until 3 yr ago every thing gone up so much the last 3 yr and girl attuide suck now days but this place is still a bargin compare to Manila, the Mamasan also lie to customer to get you to barfined the girl most of them are useless just looking for tip.

Fast Eddie 48

[Sammon]

To undercover.

I first go to AC back in 2002 everything is so cheap back then and the girl attuide is very good no runner, I didn't get my first runner until 3 yr ago every thing gone up so much the last 3 yr and girl attuide suck now days but this place is still a bargin compare to Manila, the Mamasan also lie to customer to get you to barfined the girl most of them are useless just looking for tip.

Fast Eddie 48AC is not cheap anymore. Nowadays the girls working in the bar get 200 pesos per night. Assuming they work atleast 26 days they make 5200 pesos just by salary. They might get few ladydrinks which gives them 50 pesos if somebody buys them 150 pesos ladydrink. Their take on barfine is 600 pesos.

So on an average a fairly good looking girl will be making min 12, 000 pesos per month. If enough Koreans are interested in her she could make much more.

I too remember the first time I went to AC in 1998. Nice looking young girls. No attitude to speak of and barfine meant that they stay all night.

Well everything changes in life.

[Golfinho]

AC is not cheap anymore. Nowadays girls working in the bar get 200 pesos per night.

An average a fairly good looking girl will be making min 12, 000 pesos per month.200 pesos per night? 300$ per month? AC is not cheap anymore.

[Tally Wacker]

Hey Chute,

Did you happen to see or talk to this girl at Cambodia Bar?

TW

[Chute]

Hey Chute,

Did you happen to see or talk to this girl at Cambodia Bar?

TWNo, I have not noticed the girl in the pic.

The one I barfined is a short, white-skin and big tits girl who said she was quarter Japanese.

[Slippery]

The first thing I'd do is make her wash all that white crap off of her face. Its utterly hideous.

[Tally Wacker]

Yea I hate that white crap too! One bargirl told me they get finned if they do not apply their makeup properly. It always looks terrible in photos with a flash.


The first thing I'd do is make her wash all that white crap off of her face. Its utterly hideous.

[Dick Hertz]

I understand how the bars work. A cutie door girl get you in the bar where a waitress who also is pretty gets you to buy drinks for you, her, an a dancer. I have no problem with that. However early in the day when I am trying to get an afternoon delight, I have a sit and then is rush by between two and four old ladies who was pass there prime two decades ago. These vulchairs try to give you a massage, fan air on you and get in the way of what you are there to see the girls on the stage. All the time asking you to buy then drinks or take them out for boom boom. Now if I had my beer gargols why would I paid the bar fine for a this old woman. You could find older ladiewho are ready to go anywhere in town without a bar fine. I paid plenty of bar fines but for someone I could be proud of being seen with. What the problem is that these old woman will not let you enjoy your drink because of the hand massages or the show with the distraction so I end up leaving. No matter how nice or not so nice you are they will not stop. It's not there age because there are many older waitresses who understand why you are there and I joke with them all the time and there are not the problems. It the old ladies who are not dancer, waitresses or door girls who spoil everthing. I have no idea why they are in the bars unless it is to chase people away. I hope it gets better soon.

[X Man]

I have felt a bit annoyed by unattractive women being "in the way" before. Nevertheless, they are just trying to earn their keep. I'm sure the bar has a good reason for having them there. Maybe the local police asked the bar owner to employ a cousin. Maybe ugly duckling has some cute friends. Maybe she is known for a certain skill set. It's best to live and let live. X.


I understand how the bars work. A cutie door girl get you in the bar where a waitress who also is pretty gets you to buy drinks for you, her, an a dancer. I have no problem with that. However early in the day when I am trying to get an afternoon delight, I have a sit and then is rush by between two and four old ladies who was pass there prime two decades ago. These vulchairs try to give you a massage, fan air on you and get in the way of what you are there to see the girls on the stage. All the time asking you to buy then drinks or take them out for boom boom. Now if I had my beer gargols why would I paid the bar fine for a this old woman. You could find older ladiewho are ready to go anywhere in town without a bar fine. I paid plenty of bar fines but for someone I could be proud of being seen with. What the problem is that these old woman will not let you enjoy your drink because of the hand massages or the show with the distraction so I end up leaving. No matter how nice or not so nice you are they will not stop. It's not there age because there are many older waitresses who understand why you are there and I joke with them all the time and there are not the problems. It the old ladies who are not dancer, waitresses or door girls who spoil everthing. I have no idea why they are in the bars unless it is to chase people away. I hope it gets better soon.

[Mangez Moi]

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1284338]MY TOP TEN BARS IN ANGELES:

1. ATLANTIS: The biggest bar is ATLANTIS, with 100+ girls each night and the easily the highest number of good lookers. The bar-fine is 1800 or 3000 depending on the girl. A&8200; definite must-see and unlike its SuperClub competitors Dollhouse and Forbidden City, there is.

Sir Lancelot: thanks for this report. Making my first visit to AC in June and the postings here have been really valuable. Does anyone have a sense for where to head first if arriving around midnight? Thanks. Reports to follow.

[Undercoverh]

To undercover.

I first go to AC back in 2002 everything is so cheap back then and the girl attuide is very good no runner, I didn't get my first runner until 3 yr ago every thing gone up so much the last 3 yr and girl attuide suck now days but this place is still a bargin compare to Manila, the Mamasan also lie to customer to get you to barfined the girl most of them are useless just looking for tip.

Fast Eddie 48I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15,000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7,000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15,000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15,000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me, 15,000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates....and not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if u marry them and breakup, u will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when u not there. In some situations, that will happen...like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she....ok, I know....do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them....and take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give u true love, and a real GFE. If u meet 10 regluar Filipinas, 7 will give u BS, 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.

[Member #4152]

I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15, 000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7, 000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15, 000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15, 000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me. 15, 000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates. And not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if you marry them and breakup, you will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when you not there. In some situations, that will happen. Like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she. Ok, I know. Do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them. And take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give you true love, and a real GFE. If you meet 10 regluar Filipinas. 7 will give you BS. 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.Good for you man! A lot of Filipino girls are really loyal because of their upraising and religion. FYI, if you guys don't know, they're catholics. As long as you treat them good, with respect and don't hit them, they'll be with you, love you and take care of you for as long as you want. I also agree with everything you say because I do live in the States, I've been to Korea, Japan and the PI and I've dated and paid for girls from all those countries. If you don't mind me asking, what are you doing in Hong Kong? I want to get an international job but so far the only jobs I could find are Federal and Teaching English. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears!

[Red Kilt]

. <SNIP

My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automatically bang other guys. If a women wants to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday. <SNIP This is the key point in your post Uch.

Worth repeating. You cannot "control" a woman if she is not totally satisfied with your care and attention.

[Big Fun]

Hey, good post. I agree. 15, 000 is not a whole lot of $$$. I've spent that much in a night, maybe even in the Phils, although I can't remember (which probably means I did!). I live in the US and I am late 40s so when I thinking about dating here. Yech!

Sometimes, I wonder if I should just get one hot young Filipina, rather than chasing bar girls, and not worry about anything else. Chicks are generally faithful, kind, and pleasing in bed if you are good to them and they feel the financial situation is stable.

Anyway, good for you, sounds like a pleasing arrangement.

JC


I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15, 000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7, 000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15, 000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15, 000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me. 15, 000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates. And not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if you marry them and breakup, you will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when you not there. In some situations, that will happen. Like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she. Ok, I know. Do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them. And take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give you true love, and a real GFE. If you meet 10 regluar Filipinas. 7 will give you BS. 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.

[Yuri]

I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15, 000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7, 000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15, 000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15, 000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me. 15, 000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates. And not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if you marry them and breakup, you will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when you not there. In some situations, that will happen. Like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she. Ok, I know. Do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them. And take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give you true love, and a real GFE. If you meet 10 regluar Filipinas. 7 will give you BS. 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.I just want to say that I enjoy reading your thoughts & insights about Angeles and this whole situation. As an American who has to live for family reasons in the USA I can agree and relate to you entirely regarding American women and BS scene here in this country.

Thank you again for sharing your insights. It was interesting reading.

[Fast Eddie 48]

AC is not cheap anymore. Nowadays the girls working in the bar get 200 pesos per night. Assuming they work atleast 26 days they make 5200 pesos just by salary. They might get few ladydrinks which gives them 50 pesos if somebody buys them 150 pesos ladydrink. Their take on barfine is 600 pesos.

So on an average a fairly good looking girl will be making min 12, 000 pesos per month. If enough Koreans are interested in her she could make much more.

I too remember the first time I went to AC in 1998. Nice looking young girls. No attitude to speak of and barfine meant that they stay all night.

Well everything changes in life.To Sammon.

Not only AC everywhere in ASIA cost on hotel and Mongering have been going up the last 10 yr, the good old USD exchange rate is still good in PI and AC is still a bargin compare to Manila, Thailand, China and Malayasia.

Fast Eddie 48

[Mackin]

Nice to read your opinion and I agree. I think I have found a good one that meets your criteria also.

Just a comment because at times there is a lot of conversation about pricing. All things all over the world are more expensive than they were 5, 10, 20 or more years ago. Even before that. If someone knows of a place where prices are the same or has gone down from where they were 5, 10, or 20 years ago, please share it with the rest of us poor people. I agree we may not like it but if things stop going up in price for anyone, I would guess you just bought the farm.

I hear it is slow in AC right now. Can anyone confirm that?

[Jim Kodok]

Last time when I was with a sweet 19 year old bargirl who was really like a GFE

We talked about the bar and also about her boss. The bar owner.

She told me that at her bar the owner selects every night

One of his bargirls and spend the night with her.

WOOW.

Its not bad to be a bar owner in Philippines!

[Timeer]

OK, here is the deal. I have been travelling asia-pacific now on several trips the last three years amounting to over six months in total. I have had a few girlfriends. Some fake, and some very real too. But I have narrowed down my mongering activity in the region to only macau (for style) , and angeles for the real GFE now.

My problem is not that I don't find girls in asia pacific that likes me and want to date me. I've had a girlfriend from Korat in Thailand that I met at a disco in Phuket who I never payed a penny to. You can call me an idiot for not helping her out, but it was my first trip and I had heard too many stories of scams. When I went into the disco, every girl was trying to check me out, and I went for the hottest girl there. She was genuine too, and I still talk to her. I've also had girlfriends in Singapore that I never payed anything to either.

I feel I have a good intuition of what girls are genuine, and who are not. I would say the ratio is perhaps 50-50. At least from my experience. Perhaps it is lower, but I allways require eye contact, and that helps me alot in narrowing down the frauds too. Last time I was in AC I met a girl that claimed she hated working in the bar. She was looking for a farang boyfriend, and said she had many friends who also had a farang boyfriend back in Leyte. This girl is very genuine. She needs to support her 1 year old baby girl, and has now started working at a school in manila. She left AC 2 months ago because she found some farang (an old guy, not very good looking). This is just an example, but I have 2-3 other prostitute friends in AC / BKK that are just like her. I just have a very hard time going for one of them, as that would require me to drop the hunt for more girls. I am suffering from the quells of choice, and I hate it. I just don't know when I should start supporting one of these girls. The life as a mongerer doesn't leave me very committed.

[Sir Lancelot]

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1284338]Sir Lancelot: thanks for this report. Making my first visit to AC in June and the postings here have been really valuable. Does anyone have a sense for where to head first if arriving around midnight? Thanks. Reports to follow.Thanks, glad I helped.

By midnight each bar still has lots and lots of girls, so you needn't worry too much about missing out. I'd say that all of the bars in my initial post would be a good bet at midnight.

My advice: when you arrive, head straight to Atlantis as it has the highest number of girls with the highest percentage of hotties. If you don't see any you like, try Typhoon. It's much smaller and has less girls but the intimate atmosphere might appeal more to you. By 3am lots of bars close so I'd be looking to bar-fine a girl by 2am at the latest.

Then for the rest of your time in Angeles, try to visit as many bars as possible, making a mental note of all of your favourite girls in each. Don't just restrict yourself to the big bars. Some of the small bars have truly beautiful girls available for cheaper prices. Every night at about 11pm return to the bar that your favourite girl is at and hopefully she will still be there. If not, move on to your second choice etc. Bear in mind that if you miss out on a stunner (or as happened to me, you see a 10/10 but she's with another customer) you can return the next day at 7pm when the bar opens, to make sure you get chance to chat with her. The longer you are there, the bigger your 'mental shortlist' will be.

Insomnia is located just a short distance from the main Fields Avenue drag and it seemed to me that most of the best-looking girls were still there after midnight. Other than that, after midnight your best bet might be just to go to the bigger bars (Atlantis, Blue Nile, Crystal Palace, Dollhouse etc).

[AAA Hunter]

AC is not cheap anymore. Nowadays the girls working in the bar get 200 pesos per night. Assuming they work atleast 26 days they make 5200 pesos just by salary. They might get few ladydrinks which gives them 50 pesos if somebody buys them 150 pesos ladydrink. Their take on barfine is 600 pesos.

So on an average a fairly good looking girl will be making min 12, 000 pesos per month. If enough Koreans are interested in her she could make much more.

I too remember the first time I went to AC in 1998. Nice looking young girls. No attitude to speak of and barfine meant that they stay all night.

Well everything changes in life.Well, I remember back in 1998 when a dollar can buy a gallon of gas in the US. In the 90's, I can also remember sitting in some bars in Subic, AC, Manila or Cebu listening to old timers reminiscing about the exchange rates and the quality of the girls in the 80's.

With that said, I recall back in the mid 90's the exchange rates were 25 or 26 pesos per dollar. True, the exchange rates dropped to 30/40 pesos per dollar during the 98/99 financial crisis, but back then, hotels, girls and drinks in AC were relative inexpensive compared to that in Hong Kong, Japan or US.

Today, I would say hotels, girls and drinks in AC are still relatively cheap compared to other areas. Looking for pretty girls and good sex is still as fun as it was 10 or 20 years ago. Girls still play the same games as they were back then. Mamas, Papas, and Bars still pull the same tricks on drinks and barfines. Back then I used to use polaroids, now I use a digital camera or video cam. Back then I brought walkman and chocolate to my girls as gifts, now I buy them iPods and netbooks.

For me, AC is still as good as it was and AC is realtively inexpensive. I used to visit AC a couple of times a year and I still plan on doing so for a few more years.

[Undercoverh]

Good for you man! A lot of Filipino girls are really loyal because of their upraising and religion. FYI, if you guys don't know, they're catholics. As long as you treat them good, with respect and don't hit them, they'll be with you, love you and take care of you for as long as you want. I also agree with everything you say because I do live in the States, I've been to Korea, Japan and the PI and I've dated and paid for girls from all those countries. If you don't mind me asking, what are you doing in Hong Kong? I want to get an international job but so far the only jobs I could find are Federal and Teaching English. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears!Regarding your queston about working in Asia, here is some info. However, note that my info is not up to date as I have not looked for a job in more than14 years (I have been with the same employer all that time). Also, I have received several emails in my inbox here on this website asking how they can work in Asia. When I mentioned I work in Hong Kong, I did not realize I would get such a reponse about finding jobs in Asia.

I do not feel comfortable stating who is my employer. Reason, if my employer knew I was on this site, no more job! I know this is not a job website, so mongers looking for sex information, please bare with me. When I was young, a long long time ago, I joined the Marines after college. I did so because life sucked at my parents home and I could not find any jobs I really wanted to do. Overall, it was a good experience, aside from learning how to kill people and actually doing it. Being young, you are trained to follow orders without much thought. As you get older, some of the the things you did startes to eat at ya. Anyway, after 14 years, I left the Marines. Now, here is the point to telling you about the Marines, it is federal service. Therefore, I looked for a job that I could carry over my federal service and work outside of the United States. After seeing the world and all the lovely Asian pussy in Asian, no way could I come back to the states and live.

Based on my federal service, I was able to apply for an agency that had post in in just about evey country in the world (here is your hint).

Another option is working for the Asian Development Bank or the World Bank, both in the Philippines. Jobs are hard to come by there, but if you can get in, you will live like a king! As I recall, they pay in USA dollars. Just think, living in Asia, and getting paid a salary based on USA living standards. Also, these banks have offices in other countries. Go online and google their website, they will havea link for job posting.

I know of guys who went to Thailand to be an English teacher. That works when you are young, but when you get older, getting paid a low salary really starts to suck. My advice, if a person really want to be an English teacher, get your degree and teaching lic in the USA. Korean, Hong Kong and Japan pay top dollar for real English teachers. If you are a legit science teacher, you will make big bucks in these countries also. That is the way to go if you want to teach in another country.

Thailand pays crap to be a English teacher. It is ok if you are just out of college and want something fun to do for the summer. But I know guys who are in their 50s and 60s now and hate the fact the spent their life in Thailand teaching English and never saved any money for retirement.

Many years ago, there was a website that had job posting for American agencies that had positions in other countries. For example, the Army may need an accountant to work in Guam to handle payroll. Basically, civilain careers with the military or other government related agencies. My suggestion is to search for that website, I assume it is stll around somewhere. I do not reacll the name of it.

The other option is to work for an American company in Asia. Walmart has offices in China. So do many other Ameican companies. If a guy really want to have a career in Asian, it will take time to find a good job. You will have to put in a lot of time looking for that job. However, the internet can be of great help. I do not claim to be an expert on finding a job in Asian. These are just some thoughts that come to my mind on the subject. I am sure there are lots of other methods to finding a job in Asian. You can also search those methods out.

If someone asked me, would I do it over again, my answer would be....well,.....Hell Yes!! When I go back to the states to visit my sister and mom once every year, I cannot wait to leave and come back to Asia. I really do like living in this part of the world. Why, for one simple fact, I have always been a horny guy and I loved Asian women. When I was young and living in American, the Asian women there are not the same as the women in Asia. It seems like the Asian women in America know that American guys like them, and they act like stuck up bitiches. Even the Filipina women in American are not the same as the Filipina women in the Philippines. Many times, I have started a conversation with a Filipina in the Philipppines and have gotton a good response. I have tried that in America, and the Filipina looks at me like I am from Mars and I had doggie shit on my face. There is a city in California called Glendale. Lots of Filipinas there at the Glendale mall. I tried to talke to a few (forgetting I was in America) and they gave me dirty looks. They were younger than me and they simply looked at me as a dirty old man (but I am only in my50s). When I do the exact same thing at the Mall of Asian in the Phillppines, I get wonderful feedback, phones numbers, dates, and maybe sex from the young Filipinas.

The point is, even girls from the Philippines will start to act like Amerian women, when the Filipina has lived in America for sevearl years. Key point, this advice at no extra cost, never marry these girls (or any girl from an Asia country) and bring them back to the U.S. You are asking for trouble. Especailly, if you are a lot older than her. It is fine to keep her in the Philippines and have a life with her there, you will not have to worry much about her (unless she was a bar girl). I am an older guy, and my Filipina girlfriend is 19 years old. I feel fine and trust her in the Philiipines. But no way in hell would I ever think of bring her to the U.S. If I did, she will start to look at all the other women with young husbands and boyfriends, the chance to have a nice job and support herself, and she will start to wonder, why in the world she is with this old guy (me). I seen that game too many times to play it. Every buddy I had from the Marines who married an Asian women and brought her back to the U.S., are no longer together now. Hey, American will change an Asian women.

And here is my last point on Aisa. I will never retire in America. Old people in America are treated like crap. If you have money, income of at least $2,000 a month, you can retire in Asia like a king (e.g., the Philippines or Thailand) when you are old. When I get too old and need to be in a rest home, I will hire a Filipina nurse, stay at my nice apartment in the Philippines, and have her take care of me in addition to my maid takiing care of me. Both will cost lest than $300. Trying fidning that in the U.S. for the same price. If you are an old guy in the Philippines and you got bucks in your pocket, you will never be lonely. You will always have access to young Filipina pussy and they will be happy to provide BBBJ and sex. My have a old buddy of mine that lives on an island in the Philippines. He has a live in maid. He maid a deal with her to cook, clean, wash, and provide sex and BBBJ as needed. The maid knows it is not a relathionship, but she is happy to provide extra servcie for an extra price. He told me,each sex section is an extra $10 and blow job is an extra $5. So he pays her $75 a month for being a maid and an extra $100 a month (this is the average per month) for sex servcies. The maid is in her 52s, my buddy is 73. If he lived in Ameica, no way in hell could he have this arrangement. Or, have a younger women willing to bang him. Also note that the Philippines now has a retirement visa. Check the websites of the Philppine government to find out more.

Well, that's my 2 cents on the subject of jobs, women, and retirement. And remember what free advice is worth.... : - )

[Member #4698]

I really do like living in this part of the world. Why, for one simple fact, I have always been a horny guy and I loved Asian women. When I was young and living in American, the Asian women there are not the same as the women in Asia. It seems like the Asian women in America know that American guys like them, and they act like stuck up bitiches. Even the Filipina women in American are not the same as the Filipina women in the Filippinas. Many times, I have started a conversation with a Filipina in the Philipppines and have gotton a good response. I have tried that in America, and the Filipina looks at me like I am from Mars. There is a city in California called Glendale. Lots of Filipinas there at the mall. I tried to talke to a few, and they gave me dirty looks. When I do the exact same thing at the Mall of Asian in the Phillppines, I get wonderful feedback, phones numbers, dates, and maybe sex.

The point is, even girls from the Philippines will start to act like Amerian women, when the Filipina has lived in America for sevearl years. Key point, this advice at no extra cost, never marry these girls (or any girl from an Asia country) and bring them back to the USA You are asking for trouble. It is fine to keep her in the Philippines and have a life with her there, you will not have to worry much about her (unless she was a bar girl). I am an older guy, and my Filipina girlfriend is 19 years old. I feel fine and trust her in the Philiipines. But no way in hell would I ever think of bring her to the USA If I did, she will start to look at all the other women with young husbands and boyfriends, the chance to have a nice job and support herself, and she will start to wonder, why in the world she is with this old guy (me). I seen that game too many times to play it. Every buddy I had from the Marines who married an Asian women and brought her back to the USA, are no longer together now. Hey, American will change an Asian women.It's like there is something in the water that ruins women in the USA and Western Europe too for that matter. Whether they are homegrown or Asian imports, their dispositions and attitudes turn ugly after a while. I think the culture of the West with it's never ending feminNazi propaganda and molding of young girls psyche combined with an uncertain constantly changing, yet never satisfying materialistic post modern society is the root cause of the problem. The result after decades of this pernicious influence is devastating. Just look at the birthrates. We may be witnessing the fall of Western civilization for all I know. LOL. Good thing I won't be around when the end comes. In the meantime, I am just going to work hard in the USA and have my fun in Asia. One day I hope to say bye bye America for the last time and settle down to the good life as an expat lost somewhere in South East Asia. You are fortunate Undercoverh, to have it all now, although I know you had to work real hard to get it.

[Soapy Smith]

an uncertain constantly changing, yet never satisfying materialistic post modern society is the root cause of the problem. (snip) We may be witnessing the fall of Western civilization for all I know. LOL.Men are not immune to the problem either, but we easily overlook its symptoms in ourselves, sez I.

[D Cups]

Hi Undercover,

I enjoyed reading your post. I am an American business professor who guest lectures in Vietnam twice annually with side trips to Cambo, Thailand, Indonesia and, of course the Philippines. I have a similar plan to retire in the PI / Negros Oriental in 10 years or less (lived in AC as a USAF officer in the 80s). I was thinking of getting married there (to a sexy young RN) but may just opt for the live-in maid arrangement with frequent visits from a variety of sexy, young, built Pinays. What a great way to live out The Golden Years!

As you stated, it is way too expensive in America; American media and culture taints all foreign women who come to live here; the elderly are not respected here; and the price of young pussy is unaffordable and lame. So, one is left to settle for some wrinkly, bitchy, fat, old, battle ax. NOT! My relatives think I'm nuts but they have NO IDEA what they are missing! Regards and happy horndogging fellow mongers! If you see any busty ones please sound off!


Regarding your queston about working in Asia, The other option is to work for an American company in Asia. If someone asked me, would I do it over again, my answer would be. Well. Hell Yes! Even the Filipina women in American are not the same as the Filipina women in the Philippines. Hey, America will change an Asian women. Never retire in America. Old people in America are treated like crap. If you have money, income of at least $2, 000 a month, you can retire in Asia like a king (e. G, the Philippines or Thailand) I will hire a Filipina nurse, stay at my nice apartment in the Philippines, and have her take care of me in addition to my maid takiing care of me. Both will cost lest than $300. You will always have access to young Filipina pussy and they will be happy to provide BBBJ and sex. A old buddy of mine that lives on an island in the Philippines. He has a live in maid. He maid a deal with her to cook, clean, wash, and provide sex and BBBJ as needed. The maid knows it is not a relathionship, but she is happy to provide extra servcie for an extra price. He told me, each sex section is an extra $10 and blow job is an extra $5. So he pays her $75 a month for being a maid and an extra $100 a month (this is the average per month) for sex servcies. If he lived in Ameica, no way in hell could he have this arrangement. Or, have a younger women willing to bang him. Also note that the Philippines now has a retirement visa.

Well, that's my 2 cents on the subject of jobs, women, and retirement. And remember what free advice is worth. :.)

[Mangez Moi]

[QUOTE=Mangez Moi; 1285661]Thanks, glad I helped.

By midnight each bar still has lots and lots of girls, so you needn't worry too much about missing out. I'd say that all of the bars in my initial post would be a good bet at midnight.

My advice: when you arrive, head straight to Atlantis as it has the highest number of girls with the highest percentage of hotties. If you don't see any you like, try Typhoon. It's much smaller and has less girls but the intimate atmosphere might appeal more to you. By 3am lots of bars close so I'd be looking to bar-fine a girl by 2am at the latest.

Then for the rest of your time in Angeles, try to visit as many bars as possible, making a mental note of all of your favourite girls in each. Don't just restrict yourself to the big bars. Some of the small bars have truly beautiful girls available for cheaper prices. Every night at about 11pm return to the bar that your favourite girl is at and hopefully she will still be there. If not, move on to your second choice etc. Bear in mind that if you miss out on a stunner (or as happened to me, you see a 10/10 but she's with another customer) you can return the next day at 7pm when the bar opens, to make sure you get chance to chat with her. The longer you are there, the bigger your 'mental shortlist' will be.

Insomnia is located just a short distance from the main Fields Avenue drag and it seemed to me that most of the best-looking girls were still there after midnight. Other than that, after midnight your best bet might be just to go to the bigger bars (Atlantis, Blue Nile, Crystal Palace, Dollhouse etc).Excellent advice! Am off tonight. Leaving LAX this PM.

Thanks again

[Undercoverh]

Hi Undercover,

I enjoyed reading your post. I am an American business professor who guest lectures in Vietnam twice annually with side trips to Cambo, Thailand, Indonesia and, of course the Philippines. I have a similar plan to retire in the PI / Negros Oriental in 10 years or less (lived in AC as a USAF officer in the 80s). I was thinking of getting married there (to a sexy young RN) but may just opt for the live-in maid arrangement with frequent visits from a variety of sexy, young, built Pinays. What a great way to live out The Golden Years!

As you stated, it is way too expensive in America; American media and culture taints all foreign women who come to live here; the elderly are not respected here; and the price of young pussy is unaffordable and lame. So, one is left to settle for some wrinkly, bitchy, fat, old, battle ax. NOT! My relatives think I'm nuts but they have NO IDEA what they are missing! Regards and happy horndogging fellow mongers! If you see any busty ones please sound off!Thanks for the feedback. My relatives also think I am nuts for living in Asia. There is only a small elite group of us who understands the reason why a man would want to live in Asia. Everyone else will never understand. But that is fine, that just leaves more Asian women for us in the Philippines, Thailand, etc. I have 8 years to go before I retire. However, tomorrow is not promised. Therefore, I want to have as much fun as I can now. Fun for me is not buying a new gold watch or spending $1,000s on name brand cloths. For me, fun is having my cute 19 year old Filipina girlfriend on top of me at night, giving me lots of hugs, kisses, and real GFE loving making. Taking a shower with her in the morning and having wash my back, face, legs, and other parts of my body. Watching TV while she cooks breakfast for us. As a young man, these are the things I took for granted. As I have aged, these are the things that are the most valuable to me.

As I get older, being with younger women (over 18) is a joy for me. It is not just about the sex, but their youthful outlook on life and the energy they have. The fact that so many things to them are new and they will actually listen to my advice. With American women my age, they are battle worn and they know it all. Try giving them advice and you get 50 reasons why you are wrong and a debate. Plus, I have been with women my age and their body looks old with wrinkles everywhere (around the mouth, face, lips, chest, ass, etc.). I truly have no desire to bang them. The great thing about Asia is that it is acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman. In Asia, you will see many examples of this. In America, unless the guy has lots of cash, you will generally not see younger women with older men.

After living in the oasis of Asia, I cannot go back to the desert of America. The bottom line is, in Asia, men are in charge. In America, the women are in charge. Have fun!

[Undercoverh]

It's like there is something in the water that ruins women in the USA and Western Europe too for that matter. Whether they are homegrown or Asian imports, their dispositions and attitudes turn ugly after a while. I think the culture of the West with it's never ending feminNazi propaganda and molding of young girls psyche combined with an uncertain constantly changing, yet never satisfying materialistic post modern society is the root cause of the problem. The result after decades of this pernicious influence is devastating. Just look at the birthrates. We may be witnessing the fall of Western civilization for all I know. LOL. Good thing I won't be around when the end comes. In the meantime, I am just going to work hard in the USA and have my fun in Asia. One day I hope to say bye bye America for the last time and settle down to the good life as an expat lost somewhere in South East Asia. You are fortunate Undercoverh, to have it all now, although I know you had to work real hard to get it.I agree with your comments. Also, the last time I was in America, I saw this normal looking guy with this fat lady (in her mid 50s) having dinner. She was eating lots of food and ordering more. I felt sorry for the guy because this is what he had to do to get laid. That is, feed the fat pig in hopes she will spread her over weight legs later that night so he can try to find the chubby hole. Now, if this same guy was in Asia, he would be having dinner with a young Asian girl. And, the fat lady would be eating by herself.

Since paying for sex in America is not legal (with the exception of parts of Las Vegas, which way over priced) regular American women use their pussy to get what they want. That is, guys to put up with their BS and listen to their endless complaints. The women know guys do not have much choice except to put up with thier BS if he wants to have sex with them. It is not like the guy in American can go out and pay for sex at a go-go bar or massage outlet -- there are none! In Asian, pussy is for sale everywhere. Plus, if you do not want to buy it, there are tons of regular ladies who love to meet an American guy provide sex. The regular Asian women know their pussy is not valuable. Simply because there is an over supply of pussy in Asia and it is available everywhere -- with very little effort to obtain it.

In America, if you get caught paying for sex, your name will be in the newspaper and your face flashed on the local news. The police will make statements as if they just caught a major criminal. Because of the fear of going to jail, most guys date fat old bitches just to have half-ass sex.

In Asia, no body cares you pay for sex and the supply is endless. The regular Asian women have to keep their man happy with sex, because they know he can easily go somewhere else. Plus, they do not want to give him lots of BS, for fear the guy may leave her.

Have fun!

[Sky Ryder]

I.

Since paying for sex in America is not legal (with the exception of parts of Las Vegas, which way over priced) regular American women use their pussy to get what they want. That is, guys to put up with their BS and listen to their endless complaints. The women know guys do not have much choice except to put up with thier BS if he wants to have sex with them. It is not like the guy in American can go out and pay for sex at a go-go bar or massage outlet. There are none! In Asian, pussy is for sale everywhere. Plus, if you do not want to buy it, there are tons of regular ladies who love to meet an American guy provide sex. The regular Asian women know their pussy is not valuable. Simply because there is an over supply of pussy in Asia and it is available everywhere. With very little effort to obtain it.

In America, if you get caught paying for sex, your name will be in the newspaper and your face flashed on the local news. The police will make statements as if they just caught a major criminal. Because of the fear of going to jail, most guys date fat old bitches just to have half-ass sex.

Have fun!UC,

While I agree with the intention of your post, there is one small thing you should clarify. Prostitution in Clark County, Nevada (Where Las Vegas is located) is ILLEGAL!

Most of the higher end casinos make an attempt to keep the WG's at a very low key so as not to offend the civilians. Now the husbands / boyfriends have a entirely diffeent viewpoint.

It is true however that the adjoining counties have legal brothels and your are correct that IT IS OFF THE HOOK EXPENSIVE! There is an HBO program about one of the brothels that is pretty entertaining. I am not sure if it is still being produced or not.

I won't say I have never had a "hooker" in Vegas, but the last time I did, my brother and I (this was in 2002) got a "deal" from what was truly a stunning lady. She gave us each an hour for the same amount today I can have two nights with a gal in HK or Shanghai, and probably a week in Thailand or the Phils. Okay maybe a little overdone, but in the ballpark.

In the late 90's I used to get a kick out of watching all the L. A. And San Fran."weekend warriors" head to Vegas to ply their trade on Thursday night or Friday and "back home" on Sunday. The airlines should have given a "working girl" discount.

Preach on my brother! We are singing the same song. Although I would include So. Amer in your post as well as a great destination!

[Dashing Don]

Hey, Undercover. Thanks for some great posts. They are down to earth and easy to read and have a lot of wisdom.

In the same vein, one of the things I noticed from going to Asia and the Phils in particular, is the sense of freedom which I personally feel while I'm there. Just knowing that getting sex is not a problem and is freely availablel. No need to be anxious about it. I've often watched younger guys thronging the sports bars in the US, hootin' and hollerin' and rooting hard for some team, and wondered if perhaps its just a case of sexual energy getting diverted. No outlet. If they were in the Phils maybe they would just go get laid and then chill.

Sometimes I read about some Wall St guy who just made a killing and who is supposed to be 'on top of the world' but I question that. I think that some of the mongers on this board have more fun and freedom.

[BionicMan]

In Asia, no body cares you pay for sex and the supply is endless. The regular Asian women have to keep their man happy with sex, because they know he can easily go somewhere else. Plus, they do not want to give him lots of BS, for fear the guy may leave her.

Have fun!Very true, they have this unique attitude of being very light hearted on sex.

Same as in Brazil, where the ratio women / men varies from 22 to 12 female each male (depends on the zones)

[Undercoverh]

Hey, Undercover. Thanks for some great posts. They are down to earth and easy to read and have a lot of wisdom.

In the same vein, one of the things I noticed from going to Asia and the Phils in particular, is the sense of freedom which I personally feel while I'm there. Just knowing that getting sex is not a problem and is freely availablel. No need to be anxious about it. I've often watched younger guys thronging the sports bars in the US, hootin' and hollerin' and rooting hard for some team, and wondered if perhaps its just a case of sexual energy getting diverted. No outlet. If they were in the Phils maybe they would just go get laid and then chill.

Sometimes I read about some Wall St guy who just made a killing and who is supposed to be 'on top of the world' but I question that. I think that some of the mongers on this board have more fun and freedom.Thanks for your feedback, I agree with your comments. It is funny, the Wall St. Guys will often pay $1, 000s for a couple of hours of sex with cute young women. The same goes for American movie stars who pay high class hookers tons of money, then the movie star or Wall St. Guy gets busted. Then, it becomes big news in America. An adult male paying for sex with an adult woman! People are actually shocked that men want to have sex with women and willing to pay for it. Never mind that, this has been going on since the start of time.

To add to the BS, it is just fine that a guy makes a porn movie, pays the girl to have sex with a man, and then film it, then sale the DVDs. This form of paying for sex is legal. And people wonder why I live in Asia! Have fun!

[Sammon]

Thanks for the feedback. My relatives also think I am nuts for living in Asia. There is only a small elite group of us who understands the reason why a man would want to live in Asia. Everyone else will never understand. But that is fine, that just leaves more Asian women for us in the Philippines, Thailand, etc. I have 8 years to go before I retire. However, tomorrow is not promised. Therefore, I want to have as much fun as I can now. Fun for me is not buying a new gold watch or spending $1, 000s on name brand cloths. For me, fun is having my cute 19 year old Filipina girlfriend on top of me at night, giving me lots of hugs, kisses, and real GFE loving making. Taking a shower with her in the morning and having wash my back, face, legs, and other parts of my body. Watching TV while she cooks breakfast for us. As a young man, these are the things I took for granted. As I have aged, these are the things that are the most valuable to me.

As I get older, being with younger women (over 18) is a joy for me. It is not just about the sex, but their youthful outlook on life and the energy they have. The fact that so many things to them are new and they will actually listen to my advice. With American women my age, they are battle worn and they know it all. Try giving them advice and you get 50 reasons why you are wrong and a debate. Plus, I have been with women my age and their body looks old with wrinkles everywhere (around the mouth, face, lips, chest, ass, etc.). I truly have no desire to bang them. The great thing about Asia is that it is acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman. In Asia, you will see many examples of this. In America, unless the guy has lots of cash, you will generally not see younger women with older men.

After living in the oasis of Asia, I cannot go back to the desert of America. The bottom line is, in Asia, men are in charge. In America, the women are in charge. Have fun!There are pitfalls living in Asia. Security is the biggest one. Heard of how many murders took place in AC?

As soon as a foreigner starts living in Phi he becomes a target for robbery, kidnapping and extortion not to mention asking for handouts.

Things are kind of changing in Phi also. Many young girls are not much happy walking around with a older foreigner anymore. Previously it was like showing off a trophy catch being with a foreigner. Now they get weird looks from other philippinos.

Things are changing in dating websites also. Young 18-19 year old girls specify for guys under 30. Only the desparate poor girls do not mind being with old foreigners. Even in AC and Manila Bay Cafe I have seen young fairly good looking girls refuse old men. Now bars are attracting lots of younger men especially from other asian countries. I asked my young contacts if they are willing to live with a old guy in Phi. All said they would rather go to a foreigner country than being shamed in Phi.

[Undercoverh]

There are pitfalls living in Asia. Security is the biggest one. Heard of how many murders took place in AC?

As soon as a foreigner starts living in Phi he becomes a target for robbery, kidnapping and extortion not to mention asking for handouts.

Things are kind of changing in Phi also. Many young girls are not much happy walking around with a older foreigner anymore. Previously it was like showing off a trophy catch being with a foreigner. Now they get weird looks from other philippinos.

Things are changing in dating websites also. Young 18-19 year old girls specify for guys under 30. Only the desparate poor girls do not mind being with old foreigners. Even in AC and Manila Bay Cafe I have seen young fairly good looking girls refuse old men. Now bars are attracting lots of younger men especially from other asian countries. I asked my young contacts if they are willing to live with a old guy in Phi. All said they would rather go to a foreigner country than being shamed in Phi.I understand your concerns regarding living in Asia. Many Western men have the same concerns you do, which prevents them from enjoying the life style Asia has to offer. However, that is ok. Living in Asia is not for every guy. In addition, no country is utopia. Each country, generally speaking, will have its advantages and disadvantages. Now, having said that, there are a few important points to consider:

1.

You had mentioned,"As soon as a foreigner starts living in Phi he becomes a target for robbery, kidnapping and extortion not to mention asking for handouts." With respect to crime, the fact is, American has more violent crimes than the Philippines and most other countries in Asia. In fact, American has more bank robberies, more violent gangs, more illegal drug use than the Philippines. The list goes on. Do not get me wrong, I like my home country. But the fact is, if you are concerned about crime, and you currently live in America, you have a higher chance of being a victim of crime living in American compared to living in the Philippines.

If you are careful when you travel to the Philppines, or any Asian country for that matter, the chance of you having problems are very low. I have seen guys walk around drunk in AC at 3:00 am. That is not being careful. He may be a target for crime. However, if you hang-out in AC during the day or evening (or other places in the Philippines during the same time) you should not have a problem.

During the past 28 years, I have visited Asian countries. During the past 14 years, I have lived in Asia. During the past 28 years, I have visited the Philippines more than 75 times. I have been to many places in the Philippines. During that time, I have never encountered robbery, kidnapping, or extortion, as you have stated. However, I have experienced folks asking for handouts. However, I think you would agree, that happens all over the world in country. That is simply a fact of life.

Regarding the murders in AC. When a person digs a little deeper regarding those murders, most were have turned out to be murders for hire. That is, the people that were killed because of a businss deal gone bad, bar ownder pissed off someone, etc. Or, someone not being careful and walking down a dark street alone and drunk in the early morning.

Also, in my many many mnay tirps to the Philippines, I have never had a problem with crime.

2.

Regarding your statement,"many young girls are not much happy walking around with a older foreigner anymore." I guess it really depends on the guy. If the guy is ugly beyond belief, fatter than a bus, has not taken a bath since 2011, has one tooth, girls may not want to been seen with me. However, from what I seen, there are lots of young girls walking with a smile on their face when they are with their older Western boyfriend. In fact, my girlfriend is always asking for me to spend more time with her. As of this date, I still see tons of young girls with older men many Asian countries.

Regarding your statement "only the desparate poor girls do not mind being with old foreigners." I fail to see the problem with this. If the girl is young, cute, and she wants to be with an older guy, it works out well. The older man is desparate for a younger women, and the younger women is desparate for an older man. Sounds like a good match to me. Whom am I to stand in their way or judge them.

3.

You had mentioned,"even in AC and Manila Bay Cafe I have seen young fairly good looking girls refuse old men." I do not understand what this can prove. I have seen young good looking women refuse young guys also. There are many reasons why a women will not select a man. Maybe the guy, if she is a bar girl, did not offer enough money. He wanted LT, she only offered ST. The bottom line is, a hooker will fuck any guy for the right amount of money. And it will have nothing to do with age.

4,

You had asked your young contacts if they are willing to live with a old guy in Phi, and they all said they would rather go to a foreigner country than being shamed in Phi. Thank God, these female friends of yours, I have never met. And, I hope to never meet them. I will stick with the sweet and lovely young Filipinas I have met on my many trips to the Philippines -- who enjoy being with older men.

Why do most young Asian girls want to be with older men. Simply stated, the young guys in their own countries are dead beats, jerks, and "A" holes. Most all of the young guys in the Philippines, when they give a girl a baby, the guy is no where to be found. Same in Thailand. I have met so many young single mothers in the Philippines and in Thailand. They are looking for an older stable guy to love them and take care of them. Most young guys, can hardly take care of theirselfs.

Now, will some young girls not want an older guy -- yes. Will this apply to all younger girls -- no. Is there still lots of younger girls that would be happy with an older man -- yes.

If you do not feel comfortable with going to the Philippines, then by all means do not go. If you feel younger women do not like older men, then by all means avoid the Philippines when you get old. However, in all my trips to Asia, I have never experienced any of the things you are referring to. Have fun!

[Fast Eddie 48]

I agree with your comments about the prices and the change in the girls attuide. I guess the Mama is just as bad as the girls. All of this is why I have stayed on A. Santos and Raymond st. The girls are not the best looking, but they generally give good service and you can find 18 and 19 yo gems every now and then. I am not into doing older ladies with kids, but I met a 26 yo lady at Raymond who had 2 kids. When I first met her, I thought she was around 20 yo with a nice slim body. Also, she was really very cute with a lovely smile. I was shocked to find out she was older with 2 kids. She gave great service and an excellent BBBJ and she had a wonderful attitude. She told me she was there on Raymond for 4 weeks only then she was going back home to use the money to help support her kids. Same story, her boyfriend gave her 2 kids and left her. My point of the story is that lots of girls on Raymond and Santos are not pros, they just stop in to make some extra bucks to get by. Whereas, the Fields Ave girls are pros and know all the games, they talk to each other, and the all try to play the game of bait and switch.

As for me, I think I will stick with Raymond and Santso. It only cost 700 for 2 hours. 1200 to 1400 for 12 hours and the girls have way better attitude then Fields. When you walk into the big clubs (Atlantis) , notice that the girls on the stage act like they are not hookers. They try to act like models, with model attitudes. One guy on this post noted he paid 3, 000 for ST with one of these girls from Atlantis. As for me, no way in hell I am going to pay 3000 for ST with a girl from AC. The guy noted that the girl stated she would only do ST. That is the next problem, we guys are paying for this and the girls are getting away with it.

With all of this being said, I agree that AC is still cheaper then Manila. Also, no place else in the Phili where you can find 1, 000 or more hookers in 60 clubs all within approx. 5 blocks, better known as Fields Ave. Of course AC is like a little shit hole with not much to do in the day, but it has girls, girls, girls! For me 2 to 4 days is enough in AC. I stay at Pacific Breeze, get a nice room, get in-room massage servcie availabe 24 hours from one of the local massage place. I take a driver to the new mall there or go to SM. I relax by the pool, etc. Once or twice a day, I go to Santos or Raymond, get a nice girl for LT or ST and enjoy my time with her. As for me, I do not want a Fields ave girl because they will spoil my mood with their bad attitude and games. However, I still like to bar hop, not to barfine, but just to play with the girls. Bare in mind, the girls are all nice and sweet in the club, so that is the only part I enjoy, playing with their tits, getting feels, watching the shows. For nice sex with a nice girl and no games, I head to Raymond or Santos.

Overall, I guess I am getting tired of hookers. I have had a few hundered hookers since coming to Asia 14 years ago. As a result, I have a 19 year Filipina girlfriend in Manila and we have small apartment together. Well, I am not there often as I work in Hong Kong. That has proven to be an overall nicer experience then always being with hookers (nice to have sex with no condom with no condom and no worries about STD, she loves being with me, a true and real GFE). I spend about 15, 000P a month for all of her expense (our apartment, food, light bill, etc). She is working 10 hours a day in the food industry and she makes around 7, 000 month. One day, I will not go to AC anymore and leave it to the next generation of mongers.

Some guys out there may feel a need to post an email about my comments of spending 15, 000P on a Filipna and supporting her, please do not. I know of all the reasons why I should NOT do it. But consider this, I have spent 15, 000P (or approx. $350) on high class super model Asian hookers (18 and 19 year old) in Korea and Japan. These girls were 10s in every way, but they only stay with you for 2 to 3 hours. So, for me to spend this amonut on one girl for an entire month is a deal for me, plus she is not banging a ton of other guys. Plus, for me. 15, 000P is really no big deal to me, it is really a very small amount of money to me to pay each month. When I lived in America many many years ago, I would spend that much on a couple of dates. And not even get a kiss at the end of the date. Yikes, I do not miss living in American and the women there. Now, that is true BS to the max. I feel sorry for any guy that lives in American and has to put up with American women and try to date and have sex with them. There, you will pay a ton of money and get a ton of BS. And if you marry them and breakup, you will pay a ton of money in court ordered support.

I know, some of you will write, but your Filipina is banging other guys when you not there. In some situations, that will happen. Like being married! How many of you guys out there know of a guy that was marreid and his wife was banging another guy. Hey, that may have happen to you. Also, the husband and wife lived in the same house. My point is, just because a guy is not with a women, does not mean she will automaticlly bang other guys. If a women want to do it, she will do it even if you live in the same house with her everyday.

With my girlfriend and many other young poor Filipinas, they know if a man is supporting them they have a good life. So why are they going to cheat with a local poor guy and live a difficult like. With my girlfriend, I have told her point blank that if she is not faithful to me, she will be back living in a shack with no running water, no lights, and no food, etc. This sounds rough, but this is my insurance policy. Plus, I treat her nice and she. Ok, I know. Do not laugh, sayes she loves me. I feel she is sincere. I have seen a lot of BS in my life, so I am good at spoting BS. And this young girl is legit. True love is what will keep a woman from cheating on you. Also, most important, she is not a hooker. I would never trust a hooker in this situation and support her. The key is to find a young, nice, sweet girl, not the most pretty, that is simply looking for a man to love them. And take care of them. I have met a lot of Filipinas like this.

My point of this story is, the Phili not only offer millions of hookers, but also regualar girls that will bang ya, give you true love, and a real GFE. If you meet 10 regluar Filipinas. 7 will give you BS. 2 will not workout for whatever reason, but that one will be a keeper. This has been my experience in the Phili. Your situation and outcome may be different.To Undercoverh.

I didn't see anyone doable at Santo bow row the last trip lot less girl than last yr and all nighter few is up to 1200 peso was 100 p after midnight last yr. I like to ask you have you got a runner there before, I have a few girl at santo before they do try harder and better attuide than the field girl.

Fast Eddie 48

[Nobbin]

Fantastic posts 'Undercoverh'. Keep up the good work. I agree with practically everything you say.


I understand your concerns regarding living in Asia. Many Western men have the same concerns you do, which prevents them from enjoying the life style Asia has to offer. However, that is ok. Living in Asia is not for every guy. In addition, no country is utopia. Each country, generally speaking, will have its advantages and disadvantages. Now, having said that, there are a few important points to consider:

[Key Master]

i understand your concerns regarding living in asia. many western men have the same concerns you do, which prevents them from enjoying the life style asia has to offer. however, that is ok. living in asia is not for every guy. in addition, no country is utopia. each country, generally speaking, will have its advantages and disadvantages. now, having said that, there are a few important points to consider:

1.

you had mentioned,"as soon as a foreigner starts living in phi he becomes a target for robbery, kidnapping and extortion not to mention asking for handouts." with respect to crime, the fact is, american has more violent crimes than the philippines and most other countries in asia. in fact, american has more bank robberies, more violent gangs, more illegal drug use than the philippines. the list goes on. do not get me wrong, i like my home country. but the fact is, if you are concerned about crime, and you currently live in america, you have a higher chance of being a victim of crime living in american compared to living in the philippines.

if you are careful when you travel to the philppines, or any asian country for that matter, the chance of you having problems are very low. i have seen guys walk around drunk in ac at 3:00 am. that is not being careful. he may be a target for crime. however, if you hang-out in ac during the day or evening (or other places in the philippines during the same time) you should not have a problem.

during the past 28 years, i have visited asian countries. during the past 14 years, i have lived in asia. during the past 28 years, i have visited the philippines more than 75 times. i have been to many places in the philippines. during that time, i have never encountered robbery, kidnapping, or extortion, as you have stated. however, i have experienced folks asking for handouts. however, i think you would agree, that happens all over the world in country. that is simply a fact of life.

regarding the murders in ac. when a person digs a little deeper regarding those murders, most were have turned out to be murders for hire. that is, the people that were killed because of a businss deal gone bad, bar ownder pissed off someone, etc. or, someone not being careful and walking down a dark street alone and drunk in the early morning.

also, in my many many mnay tirps to the philippines, i have never had a problem with crime.don't know where you get your statistics, but going to disagree to a point here in regards to safety on different tangents. the area that most of us are visiting and talking about is a red light district. whether that is in the fields / perimeter area or malate / ermita in manila, they're red light areas. people know why we are there for the most part and we are more of a target. the deaths of foreigners here in angeles to me are not to be dismissed so easily. it's a reminder to be extra careful. you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off a local here and it can come back more than ten fold. they have nothing to lose. we have everything to lose. i don't know where you lived in america, but i don't have the gang issue in my area or anywhere close. most gang affiliated areas are poverty stricken areas. i don't look back behind me nearly as much as i do in ac or manila or anywhere in the pi compared to when i'm at home. why is that? because i know where i'm at. do i believe i'm more likely to be a victim of violence in the states than i do in ac? hell no! i watch my back in ac. i try to avoid disputes and rather take a small loss than get into it with the wrong people here which happens way more than it does at home and i'm not an instigator. it just comes with the territory. people are in your face in ac and you got to watch yourself. a lot of the people on the street are immature, and they will react like children and not think. they'll go with their emotions. to me, that's dangerous and means you have to be on guard even more so.

another thing on safety is in regards to walking around or even being in a vehicle. these people are idiots on bikes and cars and trikes. they play a game of chicken constantly with you at speeds where you can get hurt sometimes real badly especially if they miss. whether you are at fault or not does not matter. the foreigner most likely will pay.

i've been traveling a long time myself and i definitely don't feel safer in any mongering area in philippines compared to when i'm at home. sure they're are potentially violent areas rep001tered across a big diverse country like the states. i don't normally find myself in those areas, but i do find myself in such areas when in the philippines.

[AAA Hunter]

don't know where you get your statistics, but going to disagree to a point here in regards to safety on different tangents. the area that most of us are visiting and talking about is a red light district. whether that is in the fields / perimeter area or malate / ermita in manila, they're red light areas. people know why we are there for the most part and we are more of a target. the deaths of foreigners here in angeles to me are not to be dismissed so easily. it's a reminder to be extra careful. you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off a local here and it can come back more than ten fold. they have nothing to lose. we have everything to lose. i don't know where you lived in america, but i don't have the gang issue in my area or anywhere close. most gang affiliated areas are poverty stricken areas. i don't look back behind me nearly as much as i do in ac or manila or anywhere in the pi compared to when i'm at home. why is that? because i know where i'm at. do i believe i'm more likely to be a victim of violence in the states than i do in ac? hell no! i watch my back in ac. i try to avoid disputes and rather take a small loss than get into it with the wrong people here which happens way more than it does at home and i'm not an instigator. it just comes with the territory. people are in your face in ac and you got to watch yourself. a lot of the people on the street are immature, and they will react like children and not think. they'll go with their emotions. to me, that's dangerous and means you have to be on guard even more so.

another thing on safety is in regards to walking around or even being in a vehicle. these people are idiots on bikes and cars and trikes. they play a game of chicken constantly with you at speeds where you can get hurt sometimes real badly especially if they miss. whether you are at fault or not does not matter. the foreigner most likely will pay.

i've been traveling a long time myself and i definitely don't feel safer in any mongering area in philippines compared to when i'm at home. sure they're are potentially violent areas rep001tered across a big diverse country like the states. i don't normally find myself in those areas, but i do find myself in such areas when in the philippines.i agree with you. i do not think it's safe in the philippines, especially in the areas where we visit. see this link for bbc philippines' annual report on crimes in the philippines. it's published annually around october. http://bccphil.com/uploadfiles/file/psa%20%20philippines%20monthly%20crime%20report%20%20october%202011. pdf

[X Man]

great post km. i basically agree with the points undercover makes, but he leaves out some important things and km as hit on a few of those.

i spend a lot of time in tokyo which is probably the safest big city in the world. but as a foreigner you stand out and you become "of interest" to any all all weirdos and racists. i had a guy come up and insult my girl the other day because she was with a foreigner. if i'd had a few beers i might have belted him, but in the end just ignored him. we also happened to be right in front of a police substation. which may be why the little fkr was so brave.

i've also been hiking in remote area of cebu and had a guy walk up to me carrying a machete. gulp. he had seen me taking pictures of coconut trees and offerred to climb up the tree and fetch one for me. we shared some coconut, had a chat, and i was on my way. if i'd stayed any longer he probably would have introduced me to his daughter! x.


don't know where you get your statistics, but going to disagree to a point here in regards to safety on different tangents. the area that most of us are visiting and talking about is a red light district. whether that is in the fields / perimeter area or malate / ermita in manila, they're red light areas. people know why we are there for the most part and we are more of a target. the deaths of foreigners here in angeles to me are not to be dismissed so easily. it's a reminder to be extra careful. you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off a local here and it can come back more than ten fold. they have nothing to lose. we have everything to lose. i don't know where you lived in america, but i don't have the gang issue in my area or anywhere close. most gang affiliated areas are poverty stricken areas. i don't look back behind me nearly as much as i do in ac or manila or anywhere in the pi compared to when i'm at home. why is that? because i know where i'm at. do i believe i'm more likely to be a victim of violence in the states than i do in ac? hell no! i watch my back in ac. i try to avoid disputes and rather take a small loss than get into it with the wrong people here which happens way more than it does at home and i'm not an instigator. it just comes with the territory. people are in your face in ac and you got to watch yourself. a lot of the people on the street are immature, and they will react like children and not think. they'll go with their emotions. to me, that's dangerous and means you have to be on guard even more so.

another thing on safety is in regards to walking around or even being in a vehicle. these people are idiots on bikes and cars and trikes. they play a game of chicken constantly with you at speeds where you can get hurt sometimes real badly especially if they miss. whether you are at fault or not does not matter. the foreigner most likely will pay.

i've been traveling a long time myself and i definitely don't feel safer in any mongering area in philippines compared to when i'm at home. sure they're are potentially violent areas rep001tered across a big diverse country like the states. i don't normally find myself in those areas, but i do find myself in such areas when in the philippines.

[AAA Hunter]

I agree with your comments. Also, the last time I was in America, I saw this normal looking guy with this fat lady (in her mid 50s) having dinner. She was eating lots of food and ordering more. I felt sorry for the guy because this is what he had to do to get laid. That is, feed the fat pig in hopes she will spread her over weight legs later that night so he can try to find the chubby hole. Now, if this same guy was in Asia, he would be having dinner with a young Asian girl. And, the fat lady would be eating by herself.

Since paying for sex in America is not legal (with the exception of parts of Las Vegas, which way over priced) regular American women use their pussy to get what they want. That is, guys to put up with their BS and listen to their endless complaints. The women know guys do not have much choice except to put up with thier BS if he wants to have sex with them. It is not like the guy in American can go out and pay for sex at a go-go bar or massage outlet. There are none! In Asian, pussy is for sale everywhere. Plus, if you do not want to buy it, there are tons of regular ladies who love to meet an American guy provide sex. The regular Asian women know their pussy is not valuable. Simply because there is an over supply of pussy in Asia and it is available everywhere. With very little effort to obtain it.

In America, if you get caught paying for sex, your name will be in the newspaper and your face flashed on the local news. The police will make statements as if they just caught a major criminal. Because of the fear of going to jail, most guys date fat old bitches just to have half-ass sex.

In Asia, no body cares you pay for sex and the supply is endless. The regular Asian women have to keep their man happy with sex, because they know he can easily go somewhere else. Plus, they do not want to give him lots of BS, for fear the guy may leave her.

Have fun!LOL! Maybe the overweight fat woman has lots of money and was paying the normal looking guy to be with her.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I barfine a nice girl few week ago at Road house the manager david an american form california told me the girl I barfine is from a big family with 12 kid and she is the oldest of 12, he is right she is the best GFE I got out of all the girl that I barfine this trip stay all night until 9. Am next morning she hug me all night, I ask her why his father have so many kid she said my father love my mom too much, that in China is the law to have only one kid and she don't believe, girl in PI too naive to learn about birth control have 2 girl try to do me bare back I said no way don't want to take this kind of chance, I don't even do a DIA girl BB a few yr ago in Cebu not going to do no bar girl now.

Fast Eddie 48

[FurryFriend]

i've been traveling a long time myself and i definitely don't feel safer in any mongering area in philippines compared to when i'm at homethe notion that it's generally safer in the philippines than in the united states is completely absurd. i know fear of violent crime is often exaggerated in the philippines (as it is in the united states). but people who think america is generally less safe are usually just desperately trying to justify why they moved to the philippines.

if you polled 1, 000 visitors to both places and asked "on a family vacation with small children, where will you feel safer from crime: manila or new york city", your answer will nearly be unanimous.

there is also an issue of ghetto avoidability. there are indeed pockets of bad inner city areas in america. but they're located where few residents will voluntarily go, and certainly not where tourists will go. but in manila, you cannot avoid it. i lived in los angeles for a decade and the only time i encountered gang infested areas is speeding by it at 65 miles per hour on the 110 freeway.

i'm not even going to talk about the reputation of the philippine national police. all i'll say is, i haven't read any stories about nypd or fbi officers soliciting bribes from tourists.

look, if you live in the philippines, i know you want to others to believe you made the right choice. but making outrageous claims about crime and safety there does nobody any favors. you're only giving some newbies on their first trip to the philippines a false and potentially dangerous sense of security. fortunately, most newbies are smarter than that.

[Phantomtiger2]

And here is my last point on Aisa. I will never retire in America. Old people in America are treated like crap. If you have money, income of at least $2, 000 a month, you can retire in Asia like a king (e. G, the Philippines or Thailand) when you are old. When I get too old and need to be in a rest home, I will hire a Filipina nurse, stay at my nice apartment in the Philippines, and have her take care of me in addition to my maid takiing care of me. Both will cost lest than $300. Trying fidning that in the USA for the same price. If you are an old guy in the Philippines and you got bucks in your pocket, you will never be lonely. You will always have access to young Filipina pussy and they will be happy to provide BBBJ and sex. My have a old buddy of mine that lives on an island in the Philippines. He has a live in maid. He maid a deal with her to cook, clean, wash, and provide sex and BBBJ as needed. The maid knows it is not a relathionship, but she is happy to provide extra servcie for an extra price. He told me, each sex section is an extra $10 and blow job is an extra $5. So he pays her $75 a month for being a maid and an extra $100 a month (this is the average per month) for sex servcies. The maid is in her 52s, my buddy is 73. If he lived in Ameica, no way in hell could he have this arrangement. Or, have a younger women willing to bang him. Also note that the Philippines now has a retirement visa. Check the websites of the Philppine government to find out more.

Well, that's my 2 cents on the subject of jobs, women, and retirement. And remember what free advice is worth. :.) Read some of your post and there are many points I could relate to.

Only concern I have with PI (as many others have answered) is that it is a poor shit country with rampant crime (most of which is under reported or reported at all). Don't get me wrong as I have been to Manila and AC and Subic for many years on and off and I have witness many crimes myself (also been a victim also of a broad day mugging 4 years back in Manila. If it wasn't for the safety concern I would retire in PI in a heartbeat. Cost maybe alot cheaper in PI but sometimes money is not everything. My next choice was going to be Thailand but I don't really speak the lingo so can feel lost quickly if can't communicate with the gal of my dreams.

And unlike others I don't plan to work when I retire (for me retirement= NO MORE WORK) so now saving for this day .
Also agree with you that I don't plan to retire at home either but don't have a good choice right now as I am still searching. When the time cums I may have to compromise though. We'll see then.

[Phantomtiger2]

Hey, good post. I agree. 15, 000 is not a whole lot of $$$. I've spent that much in a night, maybe even in the Phils, although I can't remember (which probably means I did!). I live in the US and I am late 40s so when I thinking about dating here. Yech!

Sometimes, I wonder if I should just get one hot young Filipina, rather than chasing bar girls, and not worry about anything else. Chicks are generally faithful, kind, and pleasing in bed if you are good to them and they feel the financial situation is stable.

Anyway, good for you, sounds like a pleasing arrangement.

JCDon't count on that as I have met many that thought the same thing only to be a sugar daddy to the gals. Many have been known to "date" others when you are not around.

[Phantomtiger2]

Last time I was in AC I had a shapely BlwRow gal who was quite nice in personality and looks. Except for a really unfortunate mouth. Apparently, she was doing something about it since she had braces on her teeth. For some reason, I was oddly attracted to exploring her mouth / braces with my tongue. Yes, I know perfectly well what she may have had in her mouth earlier, but this is AC after all. X.Hey X Man, not sure if you ever read my old post about a Santos Blowrow gal I picked few years back. She was about 19-20yrs old, little tummy, ok looker but Greatest BJ ever. Reason for a good BJ-she had no front teeth so no issues accidental teeth rubbing against cock.

[X Man]

Well, you have to give credit to a girl who takes a disadvantage and works it into an advantage.

I used to have a slightly chipped front tooth. I had a girl who went crazy when I rubbed her clit on the edges of my chipped tooth. Subsequent gals didn't seem to have the same reaction, so I finally got it fixed.

I guess, I'm off topic. Sorry. X.


Hey X Man, not sure if you ever read my old post about a Santos Blowrow gal I picked few years back. She was about 19-20yrs old, little tummy, ok looker but Greatest BJ ever. Reason for a good BJ-she had no front teeth so no issues accidental teeth rubbing against cock.

[MauiDude]

I had three girls in the pool at wild orchid rsort on santos street. The manager told them to leave and that they are not allowed in the pool?

What the fuck.

I talked to the manager and he told me I need to be with them in the pool when they are there.

If I am in the room they are not allowed in the pool.

They have been adding more restrictive rules with their hotel.

Normal take more and give less.

My girl told me that the manager told her that too many girls in the pool and they will be told to leave also.

Has anyone had any other problems with the hotlel or management at this place.

It has been a great place to come for the last four years but now they are up to something to cut down on the girls?

Does not make sense to me.

They have pool parties with lots of girls there

[Member #4152]

I had three girls in the pool at wild orchid rsort on santos street. The manager told them to leave and that they are not allowed in the pool?

What the fuck.

I talked to the manager and he told me I need to be with them in the pool when they are there.

If I am in the room they are not allowed in the pool.

They have been adding more restrictive rules with their hotel.

Normal take more and give less.

My girl told me that the manager told her that too many girls in the pool and they will be told to leave also.

Has anyone had any other problems with the hotlel or management at this place.

It has been a great place to come for the last four years but now they are up to something to cut down on the girls?

Does not make sense to me.

They have pool parties with lots of girls thereI'm guessing they want the girls to be with a guest at the pool at all times. Very common at most hotels. If they don't do this, any girls from off the street could just go swimming and say they are with a guest at the hotel right?

[BionicMan]

I had three girls in the pool at wild orchid rsort on santos street. The manager told them to leave and that they are not allowed in the pool? What the fuck.Probably the same would have happened if you brought 3 male friends. Go imagine if every single hotel guest brings 3 friend at the pool and then retires in his room...

[GoodEnough]

Look, if you live in the Philippines, I know you want to others to believe you made the right choice. But making outrageous claims about crime and safety there does nobody any favors. You're only giving some newbies on their first trip to the Philippines a false and potentially dangerous sense of security. Fortunately, most newbies are smarter than that.The reality of the "safety" issue, in the Philippines, the US or elsewhere, is surely related to the specific area in which you live. Here in Davao, I feel as safe as anywhere I've ever lived: the incidence of street crime is fairly low, security is good, and I've never had a problem. I guesstimate that the odds of being a victim of street crime here are roughly equivalent to the neighborhoods in which I used to live in the United States, and Paris. So from that standpoint, the Philippines for me is reasonably safe.

The difference I believe is not necessarily street crime, but of the larger context. That is, the risk of becoming the victim of a scam perpetuated by those in authority-police, judges, local and national politicians-is infinitely greater here than in any other place I've ever lived. With no functioning judicial system and a thoroughly corrupt politicial class the chances of a foreigner being caught in a pernicious web of exploitation are infinitely greater than in other places. This, to me, is the greatest danger of living here; a danger that's magnified by the very real possibility that anyone with even minor "connections" can cause you a world of trouble.

GE

[Golfinho]

chances of a foreigner being caught in a pernicious web of exploitation are infinitely greater than in other places. This, to me, is the greatest danger of living here; a danger that's magnified by the very real possibility that anyone with even minor "connections" can cause you a world of trouble.Would this 'danger' in your opinion be a very real possibility to a geriatric foreigner living out the string on a subsistence-level pension

[MauiDude]

I'm guessing they want the girls to be with a guest at the pool at all times. Very common at most hotels. If they don't do this, any girls from off the street could just go swimming and say they are with a guest at the hotel right?Actually no way a girl can even get to the pool without a guest letting them in.

They have to past security to get in there.

I guess for monongamus guys that only have a wife or one girlfriend.

Are not in the lifestyle of having more then one girl with them.

It makes sense.

But in angeles and in the past at this hotel

It was an accepted lifestyle and commom for guests to have several girls.

Yes there are things that are common in other hotels that have in the past been better here because of the open minded.

Way of management.

So some hotels are more girl friendly then others / example is Thailand hotels that charges per guest.

Or some hotels that don't worry about the number of guests.

This is a change in treatment of guests. Which if you only have one girl and you are in the pool with her at all times then not an issue.

I just find it annoying that they have changed to be more restrictive. What wil they do next.

I will mostly just forget about it because if its acceptable to everyone else then its just my problem to be annoyed.

Being in the Philippines maybe best just to accept they take more and give less.

Glad its at a time I have slowed down. In the past I have brought six or seven girls with me into the rooms and the pool.

Now I am only down to two or three as I just can't keep up.

I do appreciate the feedback even if it annoys me because I am sure I can lose my perspective with how it had been in the past and see that if everyone is okay with this then I need to just shut up and accept it

[MauiDude]

The reality of the "safety" issue, in the Philippines, the US or elsewhere, is surely related to the specific area in which you live. Here in Davao, I feel as safe as anywhere I've ever lived: the incidence of street crime is fairly low, security is good, and I've never had a problem. I guesstimate that the odds of being a victim of street crime here are roughly equivalent to the neighborhoods in which I used to live in the United States, and Paris. So from that standpoint, the Philippines for me is reasonably safe.

The difference I believe is not necessarily street crime, but of the larger context. That is, the risk of becoming the victim of a scam perpetuated by those in authority-police, judges, local and national politicians-is infinitely greater here than in any other place I've ever lived. With no functioning judicial system and a thoroughly corrupt politicial class the chances of a foreigner being caught in a pernicious web of exploitation are infinitely greater than in other places. This, to me, is the greatest danger of living here; a danger that's magnified by the very real possibility that anyone with even minor "connections" can cause you a world of trouble.

GEThis place is a ghetto and I hate it. No I love it. Hhaha. Actually if it was not for the girls? How many would live here?

Yes there are other things to do but how friendly and the possiblity of a good female mating is a very rewarding part of being in pi.

Everytime I go out in angeles I meet new girls from aruund the country.

Some are so sweet and sexy

Seems a majority of them are from samar? That work in the bars?

Safety is a big issue here for many reasons but you can be safe here if you pay attention and are careful.

And in USA it can be almost as dangerous but I do trust the government a bit more in the USA then here

[Undercoverh]

Read some of your post and there are many points I could relate to.

Only concern I have with PI (as many others have answered) is that it is a poor shit country with rampant crime (most of which is under reported or reported at all). Don't get me wrong as I have been to Manila and AC and Subic for many years on and off and I have witness many crimes myself (also been a victim also of a broad day mugging 4 years back in Manila. If it wasn't for the safety concern I would retire in PI in a heartbeat. Cost maybe alot cheaper in PI but sometimes money is not everything. My next choice was going to be Thailand but I don't really speak the lingo so can feel lost quickly if can't communicate with the gal of my dreams.

And unlike others I don't plan to work when I retire (for me retirement= NO MORE WORK) so now saving for this day.

Also agree with you that I don't plan to retire at home either but don't have a good choice right now as I am still searching. When the time cums I may have to compromise though. We'll see then.I understand your points and your concerns about being safe. There are places in Asia that are very safe and you will have access to cute girls, but the cost of everything is more. Singapore comes to mind. Safe as can be and lots of rich folks are moving there (not for me). Also, Macau comes to mind. Lots of MP there, safe, and cheaper than Singapore. In the Philippines, Fort Bonifacio is a new little city and safe (compared to other parts of Manila).

As far as PI being a shit country, I would agree with that. But, that is what makes it the PI. If PI was clean, the government honest, things worked on time, folks had good jobs, then it would be Singapore, but then again, we would have to pay a lot more for pussy, hotels, food, etc.

Since PI is a shit country, we get sexy young girls at deep discount. Why else would we go there. Plus, these young Filipinas are happy to be with us older guys. I live in Hong Kong, tons of rich people, and the young girls do not look much at older Western guys. The young HK girls are well educated, have access to jobs, health care, government is good, safe streets, etc. In HK, most older Western guys do not stand a chance with a young regular (non-hooker) girl. In the Philippines, most younger girls would be happy with an older Western guy. Of course, this is to do somewhat wth the econ of the PI, but I am fine with that.

I agree with you about not working when I retire. 8 more years for me! But, I will have fun now, because tomorrow is not a sure thing. Where will I retire, not sure yet. I like Thailand, they have the most hot, sexy, and pretty girls in Asia. Thai girls love to fuck and suck! Now, that is a place where I could grow old. But, the Thai government is having lots of problems now. A few Thai congressmen were in a fight last week on the house floor. Gee, I am not sure I want to live in a country where the government is kicking each others' ass. In 8 years, I will decide. Until then, I will continue to fuck my way across Asia! Have fun!

[Undercoverh]

To Undercoverh.

I didn't see anyone doable at Santo bow row the last trip lot less girl than last yr and all nighter few is up to 1200 peso was 100 p after midnight last yr. I like to ask you have you got a runner there before, I have a few girl at santo before they do try harder and better attuide than the field girl.

Fast Eddie 48I agree with your comments, some times Santo is slim pickens. I have a method when I shop on Santos and Raymond. First, I go early when the girls are fresh and not picked over yet. By 1 or 2 pm, I am walking down Santos. I take my time, maybe I will walk inside a few, hang out for a few minutes, check out who is there. If I do not see anything on Santos, I walk over to Raymond and do the same approach. Most of the time, I see something I like. However, the girls are not 8s. 9s, or 10s. I am fine with a nice girl with a good attitude who is a 5 or 6 in the looks department. What I like is good sex with a nice young (over 18) Filipina.

If I walk the streets of Santos and Raymond and I do not see anything I like. I will get a massage in my hotel room, or head to one of the bars. A few hours later, I will make another pass on Santos or Raymond. Most of the time, I am for sure to find something I life later. If there are not a lot of girls out, they have left with customers already.

As far as runners, I have not had one there from Santos or Raymond yet. But since I am making this statment, maybe next time it will happen. I give them an interview before I pay for them. I make sure the mama is aware of want I want and I state it in front of the mana and the girl (e. G, good BJ, stay the full 12 hours, etc). Also, as an insurance policy, I tell the girl if she is a good girl and gives me wonderful BJ and sex, I will give her a nice tip. I also tell the girl I want us to play in the jacuzzi and would she like that. I stay at the Pacific Breeze that has a nice jacuzzi and hotel.

Also, I sit and talk to the girls for a while, before I decide. I take my time, no rush for me. I see which one likes me the most. Basically, I let them pick me. The girl that comes over and sits next to me, holds my hand, plays with me, smiles, etc. I enjoy this process and it gets me in the mold to have enjoyable sex with them.

I have had lots of good looking hookers and I have paid big bucks for them. But, they had a so-so or bad attitude. They were too cute to be a good GFE. Some were just ok. With regular, nice, hookers, that do not consider themselfs cute, I find the service is better. Plus, the Santos and Raymond girls are not Pros. I like the just-off-the-boat type of girl. Have fun!

[MauiDude]

Just wanted to update my hotel situation.

I talked with the owners and I worked out any and all concerns I had with the hotel.

More of a misunderstanding and I was annoyed as we did not have a conversation about

A problem and I had a good relationship with the staff and owners so I was in a situation.

Without explanation.

Now I am happy with our solution.

Previous problems are that girls come to the pool and other areas with a guy staying at the hotel.

And then the guy leaves the girl alone in the pool and the girl or girls order food and drinks

Getting a bigger bill and then the guest will not pay the bill because he did not order the food.

To me this has been the best place in angeles. The girls here are great. Across the street are some good bars.

Maybe not great.

So yes I was mad and annoyed at situation that is now resolved.

Thanks to the guys that gave me feedback

Ok.

Back to chasing girls as I can rest easy in the hotel

[CruelG]

Hi I'm just new here.

I think PI is the best when it comes to GFE, Filipina girls are the best.

When they feel they are financially stable with you they will stay as long as you want.

Almost all of the PI families here has more that 1 child I rarely see a small family.

[Red Kilt]

Just wanted to update my hotel situation.

I talked with the owners and I worked out any and all concerns I had with the hotel.

More of a misunderstanding and I was annoyed as we did not have a conversation about

A problem and I had a good relationship with the staff and owners so I was in a situation.

Without explanation.Maui. Just a reminder here, in good spirits, that there is no need to format your text as you go with the software on ISG. Just type it out as normal even if you see a word apparently split in half.

If you hit the hard RETURN then you will get a new sentence and a capital at the start, and so sentences will seem a bit weird. Just type as normal and leave the funny looking glitches until you finish. You will pick this up if you hit the "Preview Report" button beside the Upload button.

It is obvious which guys preview their reports before posting and which ones do not.

It is no big deal but I am amazed at how many posts have not followed this simple advice.

[Wolfie0066]

I decided on a change of pace this year, I'll be vacationing in The Philippines instead of Thailand. I'll be in The Philippines in August: Angeles City, Boracay, and Cebu. Does anyone have recommendations for bars. I'm looking for bars with fun girls, they don't have to be stunners, just cute and petite. I really like threesomes and anal. I think I'll find what I'm looking for in Angeles. Where are the best bars in in Boracay? In Cebu?

[BionicMan]

I agree with your comments,

Also, I sit and talk to the girls for a while, before I decide. I take my time, no rush for me. I see which one likes me the most. Basically, I let them pick me. The girl that comes over and sits next to me, holds my hand, plays with me, smiles, etc. I enjoy this process and it gets me in the mold to have enjoyable sex with them.

I have had lots of good looking hookers and I have paid big bucks for them. But, they had a so-so or bad attitude. They were too cute to be a good GFE. Some were just ok. With regular, nice, hookers, that do not consider themselfs cute, I find the service is better. Plus, the Santos and Raymond girls are not Pros. I like the just-off-the-boat type of girl. Have fun!This strategy is a good one and should be applied everywhere.

[Wet Nose]

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-is-reopening-massive-philippine-military-bases-not-used-since-the-cold-war-2012-6

[Fast Eddie 48]

To Maui dude.

The Wild Orchid have a very nice pool maybe the best on in AC hotel want guess to pay to use it and you have 3 girls if everyone does this the pool will be full, I don't blame the hotel for doing this.

Fast Eddie 48.


I had three girls in the pool at wild orchid rsort on santos street. The manager told them to leave and that they are not allowed in the pool?

What the fuck.

I talked to the manager and he told me I need to be with them in the pool when they are there.

If I am in the room they are not allowed in the pool.

They have been adding more restrictive rules with their hotel.

Normal take more and give less.

My girl told me that the manager told her that too many girls in the pool and they will be told to leave also.

Has anyone had any other problems with the hotlel or management at this place.

It has been a great place to come for the last four years but now they are up to something to cut down on the girls?

Does not make sense to me.

They have pool parties with lots of girls there

[Ekspat]

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-is-reopening-massive-philippine-military-bases-not-used-since-the-cold-war-2012-6Might be difficult for the Koreans then to take over AC. They won't be amused I guess.

Cheers!

[Nvslim]

Might be difficult for the Koreans then to take over AC. They won't be amused I guess.

Cheers!You have got to remember that since the US pulled out of Clark AB in 1991, the rules have changed. It is now against US Military regulation for US personnel to use / pay hookers. Can be a career ender.

Slim

[Undercoverh]

You have got to remember that since the US pulled out of Clark AB in 1991, the rules have changed. It is now against US Military regulation for US personnel to use / pay hookers. Can be a career ender.

SlimAs a former Marine with a rank of Sergeant Major, I can tell you that if they kicked out every young Marine for paying a hooker for sex (while the Marine was overseas) , the Marine Corps would lose most of its ranks. If some of my Junior Enlisted and Non-Comissioned Officers assigned to my unit were willing to die for their country (and many of my men did die while we were in fire fights over the years) , it is no way in hell I would report them if I knew they paid for sex with a hooker. I would un-offically advise them that if they were going to pay for sex, keep it under the radar.

It is unrealistic to expect most young men (unless they are gay) to risk their life, face death, and kill others, then go on RR and not have sex. I would expect that most former Marine Sergeants to share my view. Maybe the newer corp of young Sergeants would report their men, but I doubt it. Unless the paying for sex went overboard (e. G, like the sex party that recently took place in Columbia attended by Secret Service men on duty.

And please, no need for guys to respond to my post and tell me why young men in Military should follow orders and not have sex with hookers, and why I should report them if they break the rules. Unless you have repeatedly faced death on the front lines of a battle field, seen your young Marines die, killed your enemy, had your life saved by your Marines, had your men risk their life for you, had Marines die in your arms, you are not qualified to talk about this subject.

Ok, I will relax now. This is all I will say on the subject since this post is about sex and not the Military.

[D Cups]

Boracay is an over-priced tourist trap. Stick to AC and Cebu and RTFF.


I decided on a change of pace this year, I'll be vacationing in The Philippines instead of Thailand. I'll be in The Philippines in August: Angeles City, Boracay, and Cebu. Does anyone have recommendations for bars. I'm looking for bars with fun girls, they don't have to be stunners, just cute and petite. I really like threesomes and anal. I think I'll find what I'm looking for in Angeles. Where are the best bars in in Boracay? In Cebu?

[Redman69]

I agree skip Boraacy for mongering. Cebu I would say the old silver dollar late at night for more varity and lone star are places to find what you want. Had a threesome and anal just recently with two from the old lone star. Moma saan gave good advice and have hears the same said about lone star.

[LovingAsia]

I'm planning to fly to Cebu from AC with no check in baggage. I know umbrellas are not allowed as hand luggage, but what about.

Vibrators? It would be very embarrassing to have them fish it out. And would this be the same for flight between Bangkok and Clark?

[Nvslim]

As a former Marine with a rank of Sergeant Major, I can tell you that if they kicked out every young Marine for paying a hooker for sex (while the Marine was overseas) , the Marine Corps would lose most of its ranks. If some of my Junior Enlisted and Non-Comissioned Officers assigned to my unit were willing to die for their country (and many of my men did die while we were in fire fights over the years) , it is no way in hell I would report them if I knew they paid for sex with a hooker. I would un-offically advise them that if they were going to pay for sex, keep it under the radar.I was just reminding how things have changed. When I was stationed on Okinawa as a single USAF E-6 in the mid-80s, I spent every minute I could in AC. I don't know how well this policy is being enforced, but I hear it has killed the p4p around military bases in Korea.

I feel the same way about the drinking age. If you carry a rifle, you get to buy beer. Fucking do-gooders always trying to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

I applaud your service and all those like you. I was a pussy and sat behind a desk for 20+ years. Jack said it best in "A Few Good Men", I don't want to know.

Slim

[D Cups]

Hi guys,

I lived in AC (Carmenville) in the early 80s. It was the best time of my life! All I had to do was drive down the street in my brand new 280ZX and I picked up gorgeous sexy Filipinas all the time for free. I was a young officer then- a captain. Sat behind a desk, too, but somebody's got to do it. Thanks to all to who served in the military, We all made sacrifices but this gig was a treat. I cried when I left. Literally. Now I go back every chance I get (usually 2X / year). Not to Angeles per se but Manila, Cebu and Dumaguete. I love the PI!


I was just reminding how things have changed. When I was stationed on Okinawa as a single USAF E-6 in the mid-80s, I spent every minute I could in AC. I don't know how well this policy is being enforced, but I hear it has killed the p4p around military bases in Korea.

I feel the same way about the drinking age. If you carry a rifle, you get to buy beer. Fucking do-gooders always trying to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

I applaud your service and all those like you. I was a pussy and sat behind a desk for 20+ years. Jack said it best in "A Few Good Men", I don't want to know.

Slim

[Mackin]

It seems that the military for the USA is shutting down the guys around the bases, at least in korea according to Nvslim. I have not been there so can't give an opinion. Yet I have some questions. This place, AC, already exists. It will not be a start up. Thus it gets business from those not in the military. How you going to keep the guys at a large base from trying to get some pussy? I don't think it is possible to control unless you don't let them off the base. Now controling them might be a better situation. But it needs to be kept on the quiet side.

If AC falls off because of to many military, It is possible that many of the guys will find another place, or some one will start another place. The mighty dollar and pussy together means some one will exploit it. The business, bar owners, will not like paying graft money to big shots and not making any themselves. So, both will loose. The Koreans can't support the place by themselves.

Isn't Korea a sort of closed group where they don't like to take care of the western men? I hear it is hard to layed in Korea? I have no personal knowledge of this, just asking a question. For sure the Phils is not closed to western men at all. They may prefer an oriental or they may not, depending on the girl or the establishment. But definately not a closed style of society.

I suppose I can be wrong, but who knows. Time will tell, but I will probably be dead by the time we know the answer.

[Chocha Monger]

Back in 2005, under pressure from [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) opponents, Bush issued an executive order making "patronizing a prostitute" a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The move was aimed at cracking down on military use of prostitutes in peacekeeping operations, but it generated some controversy in places like Germany, where prostitution is relatively well-regulated.

According to Stars & Stripes, USA military personnel (and even some of their family members!) complained that the ban made little sense since prostitution was legal and accepted in Germany. Some also doubted that the new provision could or would be enforced. The change in military policy Bush made in 2005 drew notice in Nevada, where the consensus seemed to be that it banned soldiers and sailors from visiting the legal brothels in that state.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/04/military-may-have-committed-crimes-in-prostitution-120982.html

[Soapy Smith]

If AC falls off because of to many military, It is possible that many of the guys will find another place, or some one will start another place. The mighty dollar and pussy together means some one will exploit it. The business, bar owners, will not like paying graft money to big shots and not making any themselves. So, both will loose. The Koreans can't support the place by themselves.Announcements from Dept. Of Defense allude only to a shift in naval power. Where fleet strengths were 50-50 between Atlantic and Pacific, the new plan is for 60% in the Pacific. There's not much talk about moving Air Force. Discussions about using Subic involve rotational forces, not permanent assignments, whatever that means. So some observers think the primary negotiations with the Aquino administration are for having Philippine civilians doing most of the support mission at Subic.

And Clark's only role is for flying supplies in that then get hauled to Subic. The landing strip at Subic is not very big, and the DoD probably doesn't feel good about bringing large supply planes in there. But supplies transported into Clark don't necessarily imply many permanent Air Force personnel stationed three. And even much of the plane traffic could be private contractors. I think our fears about a puritanical military nanny state affecting AC may be greatly exaggerated.

[Screaming Beaver]

Back in 2005, under pressure from [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) opponents, Bush issued an executive order making "patronizing a prostitute" a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.The irony does not go unnoticed that a draft dodging deserter who got us into two different wars and helped to ruin the world economy would issue an executive order stating none of his soldiers would be allowed to get a piece of ass. I'd bet God told him to do it, LOL.

[Doppel One]

Back in AC after a two year self-enforced absence. It's still the same old shithole it always was and I'the genuinely forgotten what it's like to walk down the street to a chorus of 'trike, trike' and 'Viagra. Cialis. Rock bottom price, boss. ' Overall it's still a fun town to play in with many great looking girls (and quite a few hideous ones too) but of course prices are up. The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary. Previously I can't recall being asked if I wanted to bar fine a girl ST or LT it was just accepted that the bar fine was for all night (even if girls would try and sneak away early occasionally). But on this visit many of the girls are only interested in ST. And here's the rub: the ST price is exactly the same as the LT price. Of course you can still find girls who are prepared to spend the night with you but I'the say 60 percent of the 'hot' girls in bars like Carousel, Galaxy, Club Asia are only interested in going ST for the full (2000 peso) LT rate. I've tried to explain to the girls that this whole ST and LT phenomenon has been imported from somewhere like Thailand where there are two different rates of pay dependent upon whether the girl stays all night or just a couple of hours. But somehow the logic of that appears lost on them. My solution to the problem is to decline the 2K peso ST bar fine, pass the girl my phone number and offer her 700/800 peso if she visits my room the following afternoon for a ST session. So far I've had a 75% success rate with this tactic thus saving myself a few pesos in the process. It isn't ideal obviously but one has to improvise in circumstances such as these.

I'm not going to flog a dead horse but this sort of negative development has been on the cards for some time due to cowards who visit AC and over tip because it makes them feel better. The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.

D1

[FreebieFan]

I'm planning to fly to Cebu from AC with no check in baggage. I know umbrellas are not allowed as hand luggage, but what about.

Vibrators? It would be very embarrassing to have them fish it out. And would this be the same for flight between Bangkok and Clark?No worries on that score. Have taken them in and out of Manila airport (in said handcarry) many many times with nary a problem on Cebu Pacific. I would imagine Clark no different to Manila.

Only prob I had recently, which is contained in a HK report, was when a newbie customs inspection (I was in transit) insisted on emptying my entire bag of tricks. There were a goodly few vibes in there for a Phuket lady I know.

Only prob I encountered in Manila airport was when customs guy asked if I had golf balls in my handcarry. I said no. He says theres something like 3 golf balls all together. Ah that would be the balls of the glass hot oil vibrator. Told him it was a vibrator.

He smiled and said "proceed". You should have no worries.

[Yomama99]

The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary.

D1With a 2000 bar fine and paying the girls another 1000 to 2000 for ST / LT, the rates in AC are really high. I have spent my time in Bangkok and Jakarta and was thinking about AC but this is a real turn off. Is there a place to meet FLs that you can negotiate directly with and avoid the pricey bar fines? If find that FLs are generally more GFE anyway.

[Streetlooker]

With a 2000 bar fine and paying the girls another 1000 to 2000 for ST / LT, the rates in AC are really high. I have spent my time in Bangkok and Jakarta and was thinking about AC but this is a real turn off. Is there a place to meet FLs that you can negotiate directly with and avoid the pricey bar fines? If find that FLs are generally more GFE anyway.The bar fine in AC is all inclusive no tip required unless you give a small one to be nice But you don;t have to . There are bars that have lower ST rates then LT rates even. Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the service

[BionicMan]

Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the serviceOften the girls do take a stake of the BF too

[Red Kilt]

. <SNIP> . The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.Sorry D1 but it's too late.

The whole ST / LT "thing" has become ingrained into the scene now, and I mean everywhere including Manila, Cebu etc.

You just have to shop harder if you want to get a decent bang for your buck.

Not everyone in AC reads ISG so boycotts will not work.

BTW, some of us prefer ST to LT. I always prefer the girl to leave after the negotiated time so that I can get a relaxed sleep and not have the early morning hassles when the gloss has worn off from the night before. But that's just my preference.

[Fast Eddie 48]

The bar fine in AC is all inclusive no tip required unless you give a small one to be nice But you don;t have to . There are bars that have lower ST rates then LT rates even. Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the serviceTo Streetlooker.

I hope that AC barfine system is like Bangkok you pay the barfine and paid the girl a tip for the service at the end, this will avoid the runner if they want to leave early less tip for them, you don't get GFE like you do 10 yr ago at AC most girl target the Korean they tip better and spend big money.

Fast Eddie 48

[Undercoverh]

Back in AC after a two year self-enforced absence. It's still the same old shithole it always was and I'the genuinely forgotten what it's like to walk down the street to a chorus of 'trike, trike' and 'Viagra. Cialis. Rock bottom price, boss. ' Overall it's still a fun town to play in with many great looking girls (and quite a few hideous ones too) but of course prices are up. The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary. Previously I can't recall being asked if I wanted to bar fine a girl ST or LT it was just accepted that the bar fine was for all night (even if girls would try and sneak away early occasionally). But on this visit many of the girls are only interested in ST. And here's the rub: the ST price is exactly the same as the LT price. Of course you can still find girls who are prepared to spend the night with you but I'the say 60 percent of the 'hot' girls in bars like Carousel, Galaxy, Club Asia are only interested in going ST for the full (2000 peso) LT rate. I've tried to explain to the girls that this whole ST and LT phenomenon has been imported from somewhere like Thailand where there are two different rates of pay dependent upon whether the girl stays all night or just a couple of hours. But somehow the logic of that appears lost on them. My solution to the problem is to decline the 2K peso ST bar fine, pass the girl my phone number and offer her 700/800 peso if she visits my room the following afternoon for a ST session. So far I've had a 75% success rate with this tactic thus saving myself a few pesos in the process. It isn't ideal obviously but one has to improvise in circumstances such as these.

I'm not going to flog a dead horse but this sort of negative development has been on the cards for some time due to cowards who visit AC and over tip because it makes them feel better. The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.

D1


I agree with your comments. I can add a few points to consider. The most important point, is to ask the Mama which girls will do LT. Have the Mama do the work and bring you the girls that will do LT and provide any other service you want. Of course, give Mama a tip for this work (maybe 200P). This is truly the best advice. Most guys do not use the Mama for what they are there for. The Mama is there to ensure the customer is happy. If the Mama is not helpful, leave the bar and got to the next one. When you walk in, ask the Mama to come over. The main Mama, not the assistant Mamas. The main Mama boss. Make friends with her, be nice, have her sit with you. This goes a long way. When the bar girls see you getting along with Mama, they will think you are someone important. I would do this often when I was in Thailand at the bars.

Once I was in Thailand, and the main Mama slapped a bar girl for talking back to the Mama. The bar girl cried and said "Mama hit me, why Mama hit me." She never once said, you better not hit me Mama. The head Mamas carry lots of respect in bars. Make friends with them and you have a better chance of finding the girl you want for LT.

Next point, Santos and Raymond street have a 12 minimum for LT and it cost around 1, 400. The little bars actually stand by this, at least the ones I have been to there. The girls are not the best looking, but I have found it to be good service from nice girls. Sometimes, I find a real young (18 and over) cute girl there (according to my taste) that is just off the boat, a real gem, with a nice tight pussy. I do not find that often, but when I do, I enjoy it like fine wine.

Third, based on my experience of going to AC for the past 14 years, you have a better chance of getting LT from the girls at the bars on Don Juico Ave then on Fields Ave. For the past several years, I have avoided Fields Ave for the most part and hang out at Raymond, Santos, and Don Juico bars. I go to Fields to only see the shows, see the cute girls dancing, buy some lady drinks and get some feels from tits and pussy. Then when I get a hard on, I go to Santos or Raymond for relief and maybe LT. But mostly, I am a ST guy. After I shoot my load, I am ready for the girl to leave and I can relax, or do whatever.

Number 4. It is all about supply and demand and what the girls can get away with. Why do Santos and Raymond offer a 12 hour standard for LT and Fields bars do not, simply because a ton more guys go to the Field bars and not Santos or Raymond. Thus, Raymond and Santos have to compete based on offering LT, BBBJ, and nice girls. Fields bars is based on cute girls and nice bars, but not LT or great service from the girls after they get back to the room. Plus, many of the girls on Fields will not provide BBBJ. The Santos and Raymond street bars give BBBJ as a standard.

Number 5, the truth of the matter is, if a girl wants to stay with a guy for LT, she will do so. If she likes the guy. The bars on Fields Ave set the price, but leaves the choice of LT or ST up to the girl. The fact is, when a girl meets a guy in the bar, they have fun, she thinks it would be fun to hang out with this guy, plus he makes her horny, she will want to stay with you all night and until the next morning. A few times, but only a few, I have had girls stay with me until they had to go to work the next day. Because we really have fun together, I treated them more like a girlfriend (purchased food for them, we went to the mall) and we liked each other for the time we were together. The last time this happen, I met a cute sexy chubby girl at Tropix bar.

When I first saw her, I thought, wow, she is sexy even and chubby in a very cute way. And, she was sweet, cute, and funny. We really hit it off. I purchased 2 lady drinks for her (which I never do for other girls) , we hug, kissed, and played with each other there in the bar for a few hours. Then she said to me,"you should really take me back to your hotel so we can wake up in each others arms in the morning." Wow, I never had a bar girl say that to me, asking me for LT. That made me more horny for her. Of course I bar fined her and we had a wonderful time together. She did not leave me until she had to go back to work the next day. And, the sex with her was good, I never had a tight chubby pussy before.

My point is, if a girls want to be with you, she will be happy with LT. If she just in it for the money and you (or we) are just another fuck, she will only offer ST, and she will not care of you do not take the offer of ST. She knows another guy will take her offer of ST only sooner or later. And what about the girls that agree to LT but want to leave after a few hours in the hotel room, commonly known as runners. They say they have received a call regarding their sick mom, a friend needs them, etc. Did they plan this from the start, or did something about the guy change their mind about being with him all night (e.g., the guy's body was not clean, rough sex, etc.). Who knows, but no matter what, the girl cannot be forced to stay.

The way I feel, if she wants to leave -- go! Plus, it is only around $43 at most bars for sex. Let's face it, that is really cheap by Western standards. Thus, if the girl wants to leave after a few hours after giving me a BJ and sex and I only paid $43, and she had orginally agreed to LT, I really do not care since it is really a small amount of money. When I lived in American many years ago, I would pay 3 times that amount on a date, and not even get a kiss!

And last, with more than 60 bars on Fields and more than a 1,000 girls, u will find girls that are nice, will give LT, and good service. But, you really have to search for it. Too much work for me. If I do go to Fields, I do not like the big bars with the cute girls, they seem to be in to looking cute and they act like models with model attitudes. And, 3,000 for ST is a joke, I will never pay that in AC! I like the small bars where the girls are up close, and you can play with them and get to know them. If I was going to hunt for LT pussy on Fields, I would stick with the smaller bars, get to know the Mamas, and bar hop until I find the right mix of girls and Mama that is helpful. Have fun!

[Pute Nut]

ask the Mama which girls will do LT. Have the Mama do the work and bring you the girls that will do LT and provide any other service you want. Of course, give Mama a tip for this work (maybe 200P).Since you are later in your post complaining:


And, 3,000 for ST is a joke, I will never pay that in AC!. About the high cost of renting some tiers of Fields pussy I find it bit funny that you say that "of course" we need tip mama a dancer's daily wage just for steering us towards a girl who does LT. I would argue that in most cases mama's BF cut would be quite enough compensation! It's actually her job to assist you, and she doesn't even need to spread her legs to get her cut. She's a bit like a car salesman. Now I don't usually tip them very much. (That said, it can be a good thing to buy real nice mama's a LD sometimes.)

[Amjeck]

Sorry D1 but it's too late.

The whole ST / LT "thing" has become ingrained into the scene now, and I mean everywhere including Manila, Cebu etc.But why isn't there a price difference between ST and LT in AC? They should lower the barfines and let the girls negotiate deals for their time and services. The whole price scheme in AC is messed up now.

[BigGunsC]

Thanks for the feedback. My relatives also think I am nuts for living in Asia. There is only a small elite group of us who understands the reason why a man would want to live in Asia. Everyone else will never understand. But that is fine, that just leaves more Asian women for us in the Philippines, Thailand, etc. I have 8 years to go before I retire. However, tomorrow is not promised. Therefore, I want to have as much fun as I can now. Fun for me is not buying a new gold watch or spending $1, 000s on name brand cloths. For me, fun is having my cute 19 year old Filipina girlfriend on top of me at night, giving me lots of hugs, kisses, and real GFE loving making. Taking a shower with her in the morning and having wash my back, face, legs, and other parts of my body. Watching TV while she cooks breakfast for us. As a young man, these are the things I took for granted. As I have aged, these are the things that are the most valuable to me.

As I get older, being with younger women (over 18) is a joy for me. It is not just about the sex, but their youthful outlook on life and the energy they have. The fact that so many things to them are new and they will actually listen to my advice. With American women my age, they are battle worn and they know it all. Try giving them advice and you get 50 reasons why you are wrong and a debate. Plus, I have been with women my age and their body looks old with wrinkles everywhere (around the mouth, face, lips, chest, ass, etc.). I truly have no desire to bang them. The great thing about Asia is that it is acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman. In Asia, you will see many examples of this. In America, unless the guy has lots of cash, you will generally not see younger women with older men.

After living in the oasis of Asia, I cannot go back to the desert of America. The bottom line is, in Asia, men are in charge. In America, the women are in charge. Have fun!Love it your exactly right I'm cutting ties to US and making my way to Phils love it there.

[Undercoverh]

Since you are later in your post complaining:

About the high cost of renting some tiers of Fields pussy I find it bit funny that you say that "of course" we need tip mama a dancer's daily wage just for steering us towards a girl who does LT. I would argue that in most cases mama's BF cut would be quite enough compensation! It's actually her job to assist you, and she doesn't even need to spread her legs to get her cut. She's a bit like a car salesman. Now I don't usually tip them very much. (That said, it can be a good thing to buy real nice mama's a LD sometimes.)

Let me clarify the simple points I was making. Simply, a guy walks into a bar with 40 girls and he wants a girl for LT, but he does not know which girl will go for LT. Should he "A," interview all the girls and maybe buy several lady drinks and ask them if the will go LT with him? Or, "B," call over the main Mama and have her tell him which girl will go LT, then the Mama goes and gets the girls, bring them over to his table. The Mama knows which ones will actually do LT and which ones will not. The guy then selects the ones he likes, then gets to know the girl better. If he likes her for bar fine, the topic of LT has already been resolved. And all of this for $4.76, or less if you buy the Mama a ladies drink for helping you. Since less than $4.76 is nothing to most men, I think most men would be happy to have Mama do the work.

Regarding your reference to my statement that I would not pay 3, 000 for ST, your point is unclear about the concern you have about this. However, for the record, I will not pay it -- but I have no problem if other guys want to pay 3,000 for ST. The times I paid for ST, it ranged from 700 to 1,800.

[Pute Nut]

And all of this for $4.76, or less if you buy the Mama a ladies drink for helping you. Since less than $4.76 is nothing to most men, I think most men would be happy to have Mama do the work.What USD 4. 76? I thought you said 200 Philippine Pesos! You are in a 3rd world budget boom-boom town and applying first world logic and pricing. You are giving away a dancer's daily wage (or two days' daily wages for a provincial mall girl) for something the mama should assist you with gratis. It's five day millionaires like you who royally screw up pinoys' minds by giving money for nothing. Again, do you tip the car salesman a couple hundred dollars after he helped you find the "right model for you"? That is the comparison you should be making. By the way, if 4. 76 is "nothing" to you, feel free send it to me. Thanks in advance for nothing.


Regarding your reference to my statement that I would not pay 3, 000 for ST, your point is unclear about the concern you have about this. However, for the record, I will not pay it -- but I have no problem if other guys want to pay 3,000 for ST.I have never taken a spotlight dancer, I find P 3000 a tad high, too. But if I was on a brief visit, in a hurry to get laid, wanting that particular pussy right there and then, I would not hesitate to fork up the "USD 71. 40". I just find it a bit funny that no pussy in AC is worth 15 times "nothing" to you.

[Doppel One]

Plus, it is only around $43 at most bars for sex. Let's face it, that is really cheap by Western standards. Thus, if the girl wants to leave after a few hours after giving me a BJ and sex and I only paid $43, and she had orginally agreed to LT, I really do not care since it is really a small amount of money. When I lived in American many years ago, I would pay 3 times that amount on a date, and not even get a kiss!Surely the point is that $43 ST is on the high side for a slice of Asian pussy. To put this in perspective for those of you who shuttle between Las Vegas and AC and have no experience of the world in between you pay $10 to $15 ST in Vietnam and $10 to $20 ST in Cambodia. Obviously you can't compare like for like because AC is unique and you certainly don't get the famous Pinoy GFE in Vietnam but then again Vietnamese girls are generally better looking IMO. The local equivalent of spotlight dancers one and all.

I'm not a complete penny pincher and I concede that if you pick the right girl and there's a connection $43 is great value for a night of sex. But the price of sex in your home country is really irrelevant to the debate as far as I'm concerned. I've never paid for sex in my home country and would never dream of doing so. The only thing that matters to me right now is the price of sex here in the Philippines. And what I see is an upwards trend that does not bode well for future mongers.

[Freezone]

Surely the point is that $43 ST is on the high side for a slice of Asian pussy. To put this in perspective for those of you who shuttle between Las Vegas and AC and have no experience of the world in between you pay $10 to $15 ST in Vietnam and $10 to $20 ST in Cambodia. Obviously you can't compare like for like because AC is unique and you certainly don't get the famous Pinoy GFE in Vietnam but then again Vietnamese girls are generally better looking IMO. The local equivalent of spotlight dancers one and all.

I'm not a complete penny pincher and I concede that if you pick the right girl and there's a connection $43 is great value for a night of sex. But the price of sex in your home country is really irrelevant to the debate as far as I'm concerned. I've never paid for sex in my home country and would never dream of doing so. The only thing that matters to me right now is the price of sex here in the Philippines. And what I see is an upwards trend that does not bode well for future mongers.I have to agree with you on this matter as I am in PI just for this reason.

But not sure if all are in the same position I'm in but for me if I factor in the expensive airfare to PI and the airfare to Vegas is very cheap in comparison then the $43 BF (factoring in expensive RT air from NY) makes this price jump up significantly, and if she is a runner and I have to pay another BF then guess what happen to the so call cheap $43 BF.

[Rodney64]

This strategy is a good one and should be applied everywhere.Well I listen to all the posts about barfining the right girl. You know when I was in AC back in Sep 2010 I met a Brazilian Guy in one of the bar there and he told me that is the girls like she will be with you if she doesn't she won't. Not all the Hot Girls! There will like you for some reason either your Race, Looks, or just not into you. If she really likes you she will let you know by flirting with you, laughing with you, and concentrating on you in the bar. Many bars on Field are very difficult at times to find the right girl but don't give up. You can find the right girl there with time and patience. I havnt experince the bars on the other side of town yet but nect I come there I will.

[AlLostInSpace13]

Hello folks,

From time to time I find the need to remind the forum members that some of the posters ARE working for the other side, hence the tendency to encourage / promote reckless spending. This is the internet. Just because "his" nickname is Joe Monger, doesn't mean that "he" is a man.

Spaceman out.

Ps. No offence to the real Joe Monger out there LOL

[Sharka]

Well I listen to all the posts about barfining the right girl. You know when I was in AC back in Sep 2010 I met a Brazilian Guy in one of the bar there and he told me that is the girls like she will be with you if she doesn't she won't. Not all the Hot Girls! There will like you for some reason either your Race, Looks, or just not into you. If she really likes you she will let you know by flirting with you, laughing with you, and concentrating on you in the bar. Many bars on Field are very difficult at times to find the right girl but don't give up. You can find the right girl there with time and patience. I havnt experince the bars on the other side of town yet but nect I come there I will.While I understand what you are saying, just be aware this strategy will be difficult for most as we are trying to get as much GF and enjoyment as possible during a very limited time. Also, many have "flirted" with me on stage with their eyes and smiles and acting all cuddly just to change attitude when you try to bang them.

From my experiences from staying 2 weeks at a time in AC, by the time I find one that was honest and really want to be with me and I would gladly BF her for several days, its already time to leave.

[X Man]

Yea, I certainly feel your pain when I read your last sentence. But considering the way some of the gals wind me up, it's probably best for me to get out of town when at the peak.


While I understand what you are saying, just be aware this strategy will be difficult for most as we are trying to get as much GF and enjoyment as possible during a very limited time. Also, many have "flirted" with me on stage with their eyes and smiles and acting all cuddly just to change attitude when you try to bang them.

From my experiences from staying 2 weeks at a time in AC, by the time I find one that was honest and really want to be with me and I would gladly BF her for several days, its already time to leave.

[Mc Don]

Just a sugestion. Spend a bit more on a hotel with a pool, when barfining the girl try and build some report with the girl before taking her to bed the first time. I stay at the ABC if I like a girl I may take her to a bar or two before leaving for the bedroom and it always works for me. I get the right girl usually within first day or two and then its time to get out of town with a girl in tow. Far nicer and cheaper places around phils then AC for a proper gf experiance.

[Streetlooker]

A lot of the girls have a favorite hotel they like thats why they ask you what hotel you stay. If they have been in AC for a while they know which Hotels are good or bad cause they have been to most of them. If you are staying in a nice hotel that means money. If your staying at a rat hole you might be a cheap charlie and that means they make no money

[Just Seven]

A lot of the girls have a favorite hotel they like thats why they ask you what hotel you stay. If they have been in AC for a while they know which Hotels are good or bad cause they have been to most of them. If you are staying in a nice hotel that means money. If your staying at a rat hole you might be a cheap charlie and that means they make no moneyYou are 100% correct!

Whenever I ask the bar, the mama, or the girl how much the barfine is, first they ask me which hotel I am staying at.

If I say ABC / Wild Orchid, my barfine is 3000.

If I say Lewis Grand / Pacific Breeze my barfine is 2700.

If I say Swiss Chalet / Kokomos my barfine is 2400.

Oh wait. Thats not at all what happens. I know. It works like this:

If I say ABC / Wild Orchid, the girl gets 70% of the barfine.

If I say Lewis Grand / Pacific Breeze the girl gets 60% of the barfine.

If I say Swiss Chalet / Kokomos the girl gets 50% of the barfine.

Oh wait. Thats not how it works either! AH, NOW I KNOW FOR SURE!

If I say ABC / Wild Orchid, the required tip is 500.

If I say Lewis Grand / Pacific Breeze the required tip is 400.

If I say Swiss Chalet / Kokomos the required tip is 300.

Wait. Thats not it either.

They do not care what hotel you are staying at. They are just making smalltalk with you OR finding an excuse not to go with you. For example:

Thats my ex boyfriends hotel.

That hotel is haunted.

I got kicked out of that hotel

[Amjeck]

They do not care what hotel you are staying at. They are just making smalltalk with you OR finding an excuse not to go with you. For example:

Thats my ex boyfriends hotel.

That hotel is haunted.

I got kicked out of that hotelThey do care what hotel you stay at. They don't want to go to America Hotel. Tell the girls you stay there and watch the horror on their faces.

[Streetlooker]

I misunderstood the many girls during our conversations that they like curtain hotels over other ones because they only like this one or that one and if the guy who BF them is not staying at one they like they will not agree to LT with that guy and you might get a runner

[ElRayo55]

Just a sugestion. Spend a bit more on a hotel with a pool, when barfining the girl try and build some report with the girl before taking her to bed the first time. I stay at the ABC if I like a girl I may take her to a bar or two before leaving for the bedroom and it always works for me. I get the right girl usually within first day or two and then its time to get out of town with a girl in tow. Far nicer and cheaper places around phils then AC for a proper gf experiance.Mc don great idea but you can do this also in Manila also I agree why stay in manila or ac whe the Pi has so many places to visit and much nicer and cheaper than AC or Manila I like GF experience also My experince meet a good girl treat her like your real gf and you wil have the best sex of your life This beats hitting and missing all the time.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I misunderstood the many girls during our conversations that they like curtain hotels over other ones because they only like this one or that one and if the guy who BF them is not staying at one they like they will not agree to LT with that guy and you might get a runnerTo Streetlooker,

I don't think bar girl runner because of the hotel they want to go back to bar to pick up another barfine or a korean guy that will give them a big tip in the morning, I have got a runner when I stay at Central park. Paciifc breeze and lewis grand is depend on the girl.

Fast Eddie 48

[Phantomtiger2]

They do care what hotel you stay at. They don't want to go to America Hotel. Tell the girls you stay there and watch the horror on their faces.Only to a certain extent as the argument for both sides have its own merits.

Most runners don't care what hotel you stay because their mind's made up the moment the BF was paid.

But it can make it worse if mention America Hotel or god forbid you stay at the Wobbly Pension on Perimeter, then even those that might have thought of staying will make excuse to get away.

[Sammon]

I misunderstood the many girls during our conversations that they like curtain hotels over other ones because they only like this one or that one and if the guy who BF them is not staying at one they like they will not agree to LT with that guy and you might get a runnerWhen you invite the girl to sit with you,

1. Where are you from?

2. How long are you staying here?

3. What hotel do you stay?

4. Do you have a gf here?

These are the standard questions I got from every girl except some young, shy girls who do not talk and some girls who are there for a drink but really do not like you. Everubody has runners they have experienced usually.

After one shot.

It has happened other way around also. There are girls who once they get to know you and like stay whole night and allow many shots even though they said initially they can stay only ST.

It is very difficult to judge what the girl is thinking. Least of which depends on the hotel you are staying. Remember most of these girls have experienced all the hotels although sometimes they pretend not know your hotel.

By doing this they are saying she really does go with all men. I was staying at Royal apartelle one time and girl working below bar did not know where it was she said. Once we left the bar she knew where the stairs were. Go figure.

Very few are scheming to hook you for duratrion of your stay. Once they like you maybe they are. Otherwise in general they all know what the deal is. They know why guys come there and gus want different girls every day.

[Frenzy3]

When you invite the girl to sit with you,

1. Where are you from?

2. How long are you staying here?

3. What hotel do you stay?

4. Do you have a gf here?1 is it a rich place?

2 how deep are your pokets, and how long to scam you.

3 are yo cheap charlie and pay 800 or my new boyfriend paying 4000 a night.

4 has some other dragon claimed you? Is she a good fighter?

[Sammon]

1 is it a rich place?

2 how deep are your pokets, and how long to scam you.

3 are yo cheap charlie and pay 800 or my new boyfriend paying 4000 a night.

4 has some other dragon claimed you? Is she a good fighter?Maybe true if the girl is a seasoned veteran in AC. Not so with fresh faces. I remember some girls I have barfined did not even ask for a tio when they left in the morning.

[Mc Don]

If all you want is one nighters our short time it DOES NOT matter where you stay.

If you want the girl to stay with you for few days then consider that when she is making up her mind she will think about what else to do with you beside sex. Sure she knows why she is there and there but at times when you are not fucking her it does make a difference that she has a swimming pool or a nice room to stay in oppose to some rat hole on par with her stay in.

I am not trying to turn this into a debate about hotels, this is what has worked for me and I am only offering it as advice to people that said that it takes them 1-2 weeks to find the right girl.

Like I said in my previous post once you find the right one then its time to get our of dodge and perhaps change your game a bit if you still want some side action. There are plenty of options out there no need to stay in an overpriced AC hotel if you can't afford it once you have locked down your target.

[Mc Don]

1 is it a rich place?

2 how deep are your pokets, and how long to scam you.

3 are yo cheap charlie and pay 800 or my new boyfriend paying 4000 a night.

4 has some other dragon claimed you? Is she a good fighter?Hm, I don't agree with you on this. I think mostly its small talk, I mean what are they going to talk to you about? Currency swaps, oil rig equipment, military weapons or god forbid politics? We are talking simpletons here.

For question one I sometimes say Australia some times my European country of origin which so far no one has heard of over there. In both instances I get similar reactions more or less. Usually oh, nice. Some will say a thing or two about AUS if they have had an ex or another client but thats about it.

2. Yeah more or less agreed. She wants to know if its worth putting the extra effort to get you as her 2week bf or not. Also if its your last night she knows it will be wild and you are likely to give her all your extra peso.

3. I have asked many times why do you ask? Most common response has been SECURITY. It wasnt long ago when a tourist in AC chopped up a girl and they found her in a suitcase. Hotel America ghost story is another one. I have stayed at expensive and cheap hotels and no one has knocked me back because of the hotel I am staying at but they all ask. No doubt guys staying at better hotels tip more. The highest tips are earned by the ABC pool bar girls. Not only do they get half of the 3K barfine but also get some crazy tips from time to time from people that have no idea what the deal is or are on expense accounts so for them the bar fine is a freebee. I am good friends with one of the managers there and I have seen the salary list few times. Money those girls make just from drinks at times is beyond what most spotlight dancers make on fields.

4. The gf question is once again small talk. They know we are all butterflies LOL why else would we be in AC. She may be testing the pulse if you are newbie or perhaps you want a gf but I think I would be giving them way too much credit LOL. My guess small talk.

[Fast Eddie 48]

If all you want is one nighters our short time it DOES NOT matter where you stay.

If you want the girl to stay with you for few days then consider that when she is making up her mind she will think about what else to do with you beside sex. Sure she knows why she is there and there but at times when you are not fucking her it does make a difference that she has a swimming pool or a nice room to stay in oppose to some rat hole on par with her stay in.

I am not trying to turn this into a debate about hotels, this is what has worked for me and I am only offering it as advice to people that said that it takes them 1-2 weeks to find the right girl.

Like I said in my previous post once you find the right one then its time to get our of dodge and perhaps change your game a bit if you still want some side action. There are plenty of options out there no need to stay in an overpriced AC hotel if you can't afford it once you have locked down your target.To McDon.

I go to AC about once a yr mostly 4 day trip I barfine a different girl every night never repeat like to sample as many as possible, I stay at descend hotel with a nice pool because I want to swim not because of what the girl want you are the paying customer if service is good offer her a small tip in the morning, don't see why you need to stay at the ABC to impress a bar girl.

Just my IMHO.

Fast Eddie 48

[Ekspat]

don't see why you need to stay at the ABC to impress a bar girl.FE, it's not to impress a bargirl. It's simply I am worth it to myself. I stayed countless times at LGH, because I like the nice pool, the huge executive room with jacuzzi, reliable and fast internet, good aircon, no brownouts, the comfort of the huge bed and so on and on. If the money is there, why go for a cheap solution? To save some pesos? Life is too short for that.

IMHO.

[Doppel One]

To McDon.

Don't see why you need to stay at the ABC to impress a bar girl.I kind of doubt anyone stays at the ABC to impress girls who are available to all cummers regardless of where they stay (as long as it isn't a rat hole).

I also doubt girls go the extra mile in the GFE department because a customer stays at the ABC and has a jacuzzi in their room and wall to wall burgundy theécor.

In my experience if you want to win a girl's heart and receive great GFE it's the small things that count. Try buying her 100 pesos worth of load for her phone. She'll love you for it in a way that far exceeds the value of the gift. Another shortcut to their hearts is to feed them chocolate instead of tequila. It's an old cliché but chocolate really is a female aphrodisiac. The delights of the ABC simply can't compete with a Ferroro Rocher melting in a girl's mouth sending a tingle straight to her pussy.

D1

[Mc Don]

To McDon.

I go to AC about once a yr mostly 4 day trip I barfine a different girl every night never repeat like to sample as many as possible, I stay at descend hotel with a nice pool because I want to swim not because of what the girl want you are the paying customer if service is good offer her a small tip in the morning, don't see why you need to stay at the ABC to impress a bar girl.

Just my IMHO.

Fast Eddie 48Eddie, I stay at ABC because I want to stay there. Nothing to do with impressing a bar girl. Like Ekspat said it simply my choice for me.

In terms of impressing the girl I agree there is no need especially if all you want is one nighter and no repeats. What you do in phils I do it in other parts of the world. Just about every trip in phils for me is followed by 2 weeks or so in Thailand or I have just came to phils from Thailand / Singapore where I have done plenty of numbers.

Like many others I like phils for the GF experiance. What doppel one said is very true about doing the small things for the girl but I think almost everyone does that anyway. The hotel is NOT meant to impress the girl, most girls have been in all the hotels anyway. Its more to do with providing more fertile ground to develop the gf relationship. Next day after the deed is done I understand many of you want the girl out and thats fine but those of us that want to keep the girl around for few days defenitly stand a better chance if they can provide an environment where a realtionship can be developed. In manila or cebu this can be done outside the hotel in the city but in AC I don't think you have too many choices for that. Yes I hear you at the end its all about the money and why go through this in first place but for those of us that prefer this its well worth it. I find it that I enjoy sex much more with a girl that I have been with for few days who knows what I want and how I want it. I guess to each his own.

[Sammon]

I kind of doubt anyone stays at the ABC to impress girls who are available to all cummers regardless of where they stay (as long as it isn't a rat hole).

I also doubt girls go the extra mile in the GFE department because a customer stays at the ABC and has a jacuzzi in their room and wall to wall burgundy theécor.

In my experience if you want to win a girl's heart and receive great GFE it's the small things that count. Try buying her 100 pesos worth of load for her phone. She'll love you for it in a way that far exceeds the value of the gift. Another shortcut to their hearts is to feed them chocolate instead of tequila. It's an old cliché but chocolate really is a female aphrodisiac. The delights of the ABC simply can't compete with a Ferroro Rocher melting in a girl's mouth sending a tingle straight to her pussy.

D1Most of the girls have been there and done that which includes jacuzzi, pool, plush pillows etc.

To have a good time it is chemistry between you and the girl in and out of bed is very important.

IMHO I have had very good experience with girls after we hit it off irrespective of hotel I stayed or other things. Some girls are really tired of pool and jacuzzi. Yes, they might do it on your insistence.

Money or chocolates alone is not going to impress them. Ofcourse they are there for money.

Most I have kept a girl with me in AC is three nights. Sex is much better if you keep the girl more than one night and if she likes you. On the third night complaints start coming like pussy is sore, I am tired, Do not feel like dancing or barhopping etc.

It is true their pussy gets sore with non-stop sex.

Unfortunately in AC there is nothing to do like in BKK or Pattaya where you can take her to cultural shows, temples, island tours etc.

Ac is generally barfine, fuck the hell out of her, take plenty of rest and start all over again. Hotel is a personal preference and your budget.

[Fast Eddie 48]

FE, it's not to impress a bargirl. It's simply I am worth it to myself. I stayed countless times at LGH, because I like the nice pool, the huge executive room with jacuzzi, reliable and fast internet, good aircon, no brownouts, the comfort of the huge bed and so on and on. If the money is there, why go for a cheap solution? To save some pesos? Life is too short for that.

IMHO.To Eskpat

I like the LGH also much larger pool than pacific breeze much better value than the ABC, the executive room w Jacuzzi is over 100usd a night expensive might try it next time.

Fast Eddie 48

[Member #4152]

Sup fellas,

I know it's rainy and typhoon season now and going to be the same in the next few months, but I was wondering how the weather is in Angeles? The last time I was there in April, it was dry. I was in Manila last August I believe because I remember doing my fantasy football draft there with one of my pick ups still sleeping in bed. I remember Manila having passing showers and having a Typhoon just pass by but still in the area when I arrived. I'm itching to come back and I'm thinking late July or early August!

Thanks!

[Hatguy]

Sup fellas,

I know it's rainy and typhoon season now and going to be the same in the next few months, but I was wondering how the weather is in Angeles? The last time I was there in April, it was dry. I was in Manila last August I believe because I remember doing my fantasy football draft there with one of my pick ups still sleeping in bed. I remember Manila having passing showers and having a Typhoon just pass by but still in the area when I arrived. I'm itching to come back and I'm thinking late July or early August!

Thanks!It was raining when I was there. Pretty heavily too. Instead of the usual Viagra and crap they sell, the street guys were flogging umbrellas. How innovative! LOL. Just run to the nearest bar instead! Better spent on beer!

Less tourists can mean more fun to be had. And also more girls on vacation of course. I personally preferred Subic. Anyway, enjoy!

[Member #4152]

It was raining when I was there. Pretty heavily too. Instead of the usual Viagra and crap they sell, the street guys were flogging umbrellas. How innovative! LOL. Just run to the nearest bar instead! Better spent on beer!

Less tourists can mean more fun to be had. And also more girls on vacation of course. I personally preferred Subic. Anyway, enjoy!Thanks man. The last time in Ermita, I stayed at Diamond Hotel. It was pretty crazy with a Typhoon near by. Calm inside, look outside and the rain is going sideways! Look by the harbor and waves are crashing hard! LOL

[Ekspat]

I know it's rainy and typhoon season nowI arrived in Manila last Tuesday and since then, I haven't seen a single raindrop. Today it's terribly hot with a clear blue sky, no cloud at all. I guess in Angeles it's the same.

[Jack Burton]

They do care what hotel you stay at. They don't want to go to America Hotel. Tell the girls you stay there and watch the horror on their faces.But. But. Their restaurant is open 24 hours. Yeah, okay, bar girl getting head chopped of isn't the most romantic image. Amusingly, one reviewer thought it was "too expensive". And it does rate better than the Oxford.

[Gunshy]

i have heard a lot of rumors about scams in angeles city, for example.


angeles is a dusty, run down town that caters only to foreighn sex tourists, but even they are not safe, the corrupt police will set foreighners up in all sorts of scams from planting drugs to falsely accusing tourists of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), all this so that the police can scare tourists into parting with very large sums of money in bribes to make the problem go away (trust me i paid and so did others i met) the police here will even take you to the atm in order to get payment! don't pay and your looking at jail! ask yourself why would you chance this, just stay away from angeles and the philippines as i will be doing from now on.what is the scam situation in angeles city nowadays? what can i do to minimize the risk of being a victim of a scam?

[LovingAsia]

I have heard a lot of rumors about scams in Angeles City, for example.

What is the scam situation in Angeles City nowadays? What can I do to minimize the risk of being a victim of a scam?Have you ever been to AC? I did lots of reading prior to my 1st visit, and was put off a little by some of the negative news, and shortened my trip. The only incident I witnessed was one bar raid on Fields, and no scams.

[Philosophery]

Have you ever been to AC? I did lots of reading prior to my 1st visit, and was put off a little by some of the negative news, and shortened my trip. The only incident I witnessed was one bar raid on Fields, and no scams.The scam is that people are scaring you off by making stuff up! Later!

[Deltron]

Has anyone seen this chick in the last year or so? She's a typical cam chick in demeanor, but her build (very small waist with a bit ol' booty) is very unique. I only ended up sealing the deal with her on one occasion after chatting online for months. Anyone else experience her, or have any idea where she is at nowadays?

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Can anyone recommend a hotel, motel, apartelle, condo, anything basically where there is no walk of shame through a lobby. Even better, one with private entrances to the units? Not concerned about price, just need privacy. I will be visiting soon and I don't want my work mates who'll be likely staying in the same place seeing me in and out of the lobby with various chickies in tow.

I've heard of Lorietta and Daddyo's but don't know if those are even still in business.

Any help at all is much appreciated.

[Ekspat]

anything basically where there is no walk of shame through a lobby.There is no walk-of-shame in Angeles. The only walk of shame is, in case you get back to the hotel without a girl. THAT is a true walk of shame!

[HeadRack]

I go to AC at the end of aug. Should I put it off until after typhoon season or will I still enjoy myself?

[LovingAsia]

I go to Angeles several times a year and have for that past 10 years. I go there for work on Clark Field and have spent lots of time on Fields Road. I can tell you that I have never been a victim of a scam and have only witnessed two people being scammed / taken advantage of. The one was an Aussie guy who was drunk and obnoxious so the girls were getting him to buy them many, many drinks and another guy sitting next to me eating at Kokomo's that bought Viagra and when he opened the package it was empty. He did chase the guy down and got his money back. AC is no different then anywhere else in the world, if you keep your head about you and don't act a fool then the chance of being a victim is slim. If you get drunk, don't use in room safes, show everyone how much money you have, etc. Then there will people that will try and seperate a fool and his money. If you are a victim it's generally because of something that you did, not what they did.To add to that, I recall I was in Det5 one night and this drunk guy comes in and is pretty nasty to one of the girls who was deaf. He bar-fine her and as she went to change, he spiked her drink in front of us all. Well, when she came back, it was his turn to go to the loo. The other girls used sign language to tell this girl what had happened, and she, good on her, swapped the drinks round, and chucked all his change on to the stage. I believe this girl can hear again now thanks to a generous guy who paid for her treatment. Details on Harry the Horse.

[Red Kilt]

Not concerned about price, just need privacy. I will be visiting soon and I don't want my work mates who'll be likely staying in the same place seeing me in and out of the lobby with various chickies in tow.I don't want to lecture you GG in a response that doesn't answer your question BUT. Having worked all over the Phils for 15 years I have NEVER EVER mongered in the same hotel in which any work mates or conference participants are staying.

If colleagues are anywhere around, then my strategy has been either stay in a different hotel, or use ST places and then go back to the hotel for sleeping. You can almost guarantee that some unplanned event will happen that will leave you looking "bad".

I saw a classic case one time in Cebu with a colleague who was very clever at smuggling girls into his room at night and sending them off early before we all met in the dining room for breakfast. I knew what he was doing but the others didn't.

It was hilarious at breakfast on the 2nd last day when this sexy young thing in short shorts and a halter top came into the breakfast area and handed him a hairbrush and apologised for having taken it by mistake when she left earlier.

Poor bastard wanted to crawl under the table. He was totally sprung.

[LovingAsia]

We hear that FL work the malls of Cebu, but how about SM Mall or other malls in AC? Has anyone picked up FL this way?

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I don't want to lecture you GG in a response that doesn't answer your question BUT. Having worked all over the Phils for 15 years I have NEVER EVER mongered in the same hotel in which any work mates or conference participants are staying.

If colleagues are anywhere around, then my strategy has been either stay in a different hotel, or use ST places and then go back to the hotel for sleeping. You can almost guarantee that some unplanned event will happen that will leave you looking "bad".

I saw a classic case one time in Cebu with a colleague who was very clever at smuggling girls into his room at night and sending them off early before we all met in the dining room for breakfast. I knew what he was doing but the others didn't.

It was hilarious at breakfast on the 2nd last day when this sexy young thing in short shorts and a halter top came into the breakfast area and handed him a hairbrush and apologised for having taken it by mistake when she left earlier.

Poor bastard wanted to crawl under the table. He was totally sprung.Haha! Well, that's exactly what I intend to avoid. Our employer will be paying for the hotel though, so they'll want to put us all up together, unfortunately. I could get a second room, but........ Also, I prefer a girl who will stay with me all night too. A bit of a quandry.

[Double Shooter]

i don't want to lecture you gg in a response that doesn't answer your question but. having worked all over the phils for 15 years i have never ever mongered in the same hotel in which any work mates or conference participants are staying.

if colleagues are anywhere around, then my strategy has been either stay in a different hotel, or use st places and then go back to the hotel for sleeping. you can almost guarantee that some unplanned event will happen that will leave you looking "bad".

i saw a classic case one time in cebu with a colleague who was very clever at smuggling girls into his room at night and sending them off early before we all met in the dining room for breakfast. i knew what he was doing but the others didn't.

it was hilarious at breakfast on the 2nd last day when this sexy young thing in short shorts and a halter top came into the breakfast area and handed him a hairbrush and apologised for having taken it by mistake when she left earlier.

poor bastard wanted to crawl under the table. he was totally sprung.sound advice and an amusing story. one would expect that there are many hotels in angeles that cater to the st trade.

the shooter well remembers the old days of business trips to dodgy places and in the male-bonding drinking sessions it was de rigueur to decry the wg's and their "pathetic" customers, whereas in reality every guy was gagging to go for it and was just held back by peer pressure. the frustration and testosterone inevitably led to reckless drinking and poor work performance the next day. these days the younger guys seem more relaxed. the attitude is "what happens on tour, stays on tour" and is never mentioned after the night in question.

[X Man]

I think you'll find bargirls in the malls doing some shopping, so they might be happy to fk you. But I can't imagine FL gals roaming the malls of AC. I'm not sure why you would bother looking considering the huge amount of cheap skin on the strip. On the other hand, you might find some gal who is out of the bar and is in the mall spending the money that comes from her absent bf. Those gals are usually a lot of fun, but it's hard to get them unless you are a bit younger or have some charm. X.


We hear that FL work the malls of Cebu, but how about SM Mall or other malls in AC? Has anyone picked up FL this way?

[Ezinho]

This month I spent a little time in Manila and then I hit up some of the bars in AC. Here's my take of some of them, always IMHO:

Dragons Den: This bar is at the bottom of Fields Ave not too far from McDonalds. I really like this bar, it's upstairs on the second floor and there are some real fun girls in here with great attitudes and sexy bodies. I bought a single ladies drink for a big tittied girl with a big mouth here, I can't remember her name but she's from Samar, you'll recogniz her if you see those breasts. We made out for a little bit and she let me play with her beautiful big tits. She even had my dick out for a little bit. This was one I wish I would have barfined, but I was busy with other fucklets (more on this later). Good shows here too. This bar is recommended by me.

Crystal Palace: This bar is fun too, unfortunately one of my fucklets from Manila was with me when I went here so I couldn't talk to / grope any of the girls, but there were some beautiful ones here too, especially the ones wearing thongs. Another place I recommend.

Infinity: This is a new bar, I think it used to be Dirty Duck? Anyway, I though this place was terrible, too small and too many ugly girls, but a lot of the customers were really having a good time. It seemed like a hangout for older white guys. I had one drink with my Manila fucklet and left.

Q-Bar: I went here because a fucklet I banged last year works here now, I'll post a couple pics of her below. This bar has some good looking girls as well, but the barfine is 1800, too hight I think. I met my fucklet on her days off and just gave her 1000 for TLN. But this chick is crazy, she gave me BBFS and she wanted me to come inside her pussy, she kept saying she wants me to give her a baby girl. WTF? Does she think it's a ticket to the promised land, or does she just want to breed? I have no idea. She also offered me her cherry ass, but I'm not really into that. She's a fantastic fuck though, one of the best I've had in AC. The crazy ones always are.

La Bamba: This place kinda sucked, mostly ugly girls BUT the door girl was hot, she came inside the bar with me and kept begging me to take her to a short time hotel to fuck her. Again, I was meeting one of my regulars later in the evening and wanted to save my sperm, so I declined. Besides, she only wanted short time, and I only do TLN in the Philippines nowaways. If I wanted shortime, I'd monger in another country. But this doorgirl would probably be a good fuck, I remember she said she used to have a French boyfriend, so she spoke a little French. Hopefully, he trained her well.

Lollipop: One drink here and I left. I didn't see anything worth staying for.

Valhalla: This place really sucked, nothing but uglies here. Avoid this place; you'll thank me later.

Carousel: Ok, when I first walked into this place, I didn't like it. I mean, the girls are just standing on the carousel looking bored, while it goes around in a circle. But the more I thought about it, the more it made sense. Lets face it, we're not in AC to watch girls dance, we're there for cheap, pretty pussy, that's all. And this place has that! There were some nice ones in here, one that stands out was a tall goth chick with tats and piercings. I would have barfined from here BUT I was told the barfine is 2000! Fuck that! Still, a fun bar to hang out in, and I liked the music they played here as well.

Eager Beavers: I went here really late one night and got a handjob in one of the booths for a couple of ladies drinks. Sleazy Fields bar. I'd go back.

Brown Sugar: I was told the barfine here is 1900, not worth it considering the talent. Fields' barfines are getting expensive!

Insomia: I found the girls here to be very unfriendly, most wouldn't even smile or make eye contact with me.

Ponytails: One of my favorite daytime places, I liked a girl here named Rhodalyn, one of the t-back girls. I bought her a drink but I was getting some weird vibes from her, so I decided not to barfine her. I can't explain it, it's just my mongering sixth sense.

Showtime bar: I barfined a girl from this bar. 20 year old Teresa. 1500 for the barfine, she stayed until the next day and gave good BBFS, beautiful petite body with firm tits and a nice little ass, but she wasn't that good at boom boom, I was disappointed since she said she used to live with a German guy who took her cherry. Guys, if you have a live-in fucklet, train them! I cut her loose after two days.

Candy Bar: One of my favorites, cheap 1100 peso barfines combined with pretty girls who like and know how to fuck. Why can't all the bars be like this? If you are looking for a barebacking three-holer, I can recommend Cicel from Leyte. If you want a girl next door look, I recommend Anabelle from Manila. Look for the chick with the longest hair in the bar. Hell, I wish I could have fucked the majority of the girls at this bar. Fun place.

Matrix Braun: This is the blowjob bar on Perimeter Road. I like this place BUT they have raised the price for a BJ to 700 pesos. Why pay that when I can get TLN at Candy Bar for 1100? It just doesn't make sense. However, if you do go here, ask for a girl named Joy, she a real skinny, dark skinned girl with a tattoo, but she can deepthroat a cock like it's nobodys business. I came here on my first day in AC and I had a load saved up from the past week that I blew into her mouth, and she took it like a champ, without flinching. Where she learned how to suck dick I'll never know.

That's all from me for now. Here are a couple of my fucklet from Q-Bar, but that's all I'm posting; too many assholes steal my pics.

Ezinho out.

[Fast Eddie 48]

We hear that FL work the malls of Cebu, but how about SM Mall or other malls in AC? Has anyone picked up FL this way?To Lovingasia

I have pick up girl at SM mall in Cebu and Manila before there are so many girl in all over AC, I don't even look for girl at the Mall but I do have many girl smile at me at the SM Clark but never ask, I did got a date from a sale girl at a clothing store before but no action from her after a dinner date just hit the bar.

Fast Eddie 48

[Socker]

I saw a classic case one time in Cebu with a colleague who was very clever at smuggling girls into his room at night and sending them off early before we all met in the dining room for breakfast. I knew what he was doing but the others didn't.

It was hilarious at breakfast on the 2nd last day when this sexy young thing in short shorts and a halter top came into the breakfast area and handed him a hairbrush and apologised for having taken it by mistake when she left earlier.

Poor bastard wanted to crawl under the table. He was totally sprung.He was clever enough to sneak the girls into his room. But not clever enough to take a bow for fucking her. Is it wrong to pursue p4p and enjoy a fine young womans company? If your job is not at stake then why cower?

They don't call them females for nothing. I love shocking square white people. It's the fucking (2nd) best!

[Member #4698]

Crystal Palace: This bar is fun too, unfortunately one of my fucklets from Manila was with me when I went here so I couldn't talk to / grope any of the girls, but there were some beautiful ones here too, especially the ones wearing thongs. Another place I recommend.I went there one time (late) and wasn't that impressed, but the joint keeps receiving positive reports, so I will have to check it out again, but in prime time.


La Bamba: This place kinda sucked, mostly ugly girls. BUT the door girl was hot, she came inside the bar with me and kept begging me to take her to a short time hotel to fuck her.La Bamba had a pretty good line up when I was last there in Feb and more importantly the girls were a lot of fun in and out of the bar. Things can change overnight in AC, but La Bamba remains on my top 5 list until I get back there and see for myself if things have changed.


Valhalla: This place really sucked, nothing but uglies here. Avoid this place; you'll thank me later.This place is awful. I went there one night while barhopping with a girl because we were in the neighborhood and she said she had a girlfriend that worked there. The place had two customers and 5 fuglies were shuffling about in boredom on the small stage. The girlfriend was not there, never had been there, but it was too late because I had already ordered a beer. We split after about 5 minutes even though I had only taken a few sips of my beer. I couldn't take it.


Ponytails: One of my favorite daytime places.You are right, it is one of the better afternoon bars, but I also liked making it my nightcap bar as I was leaving Fields and heading back to my hotel. One night my girl and I met a really pretty cherry girl there. She said she was 21. I could not believe somebody hadn't taped her yet. She was beautiful. I bought a round of Tequila shots and the three of us played pool.

[Red Kilt]

He was clever enough to sneak the girls into his room. But not clever enough to take a bow for fucking her. Is it wrong to pursue p4p and enjoy a fine young womans company? If your job is not at stake then why cower?

They don't call them females for nothing. I love shocking square white people. It's the fucking (2nd) best!Who said ANYTHING about the work collegues being square white people?

You obviously missed the point Socker, probably because you have never worked here and been staying in a hotel with anywhere between 3 and 50 people who are all part of your organisation.

This guy was sitting at a table filled with his workmates, all of whom were mixed male and female and all filipinos, and all of whom thought he was the epitome of a good boy.

Why do I bother explaining? (insert smiley here that says duuuuuuhhh)

[Docwiltro]

This month I spent a little time in Manila and then I hit up some of the bars in AC. Here's my take of some of them, always IMHO:

Dragons Den: This bar is at the bottom of Fields Ave not too far from McDonalds. I really like this bar, it's upstairs on the second floor and there are some real fun girls in here with great attitudes and sexy bodies. I bought a single ladies drink for a big tittied girl with a big mouth here, I can't remember her name but she's from Samar, you'll recogniz her if you see those breasts. We made out for a little bit and she let me play with her beautiful big tits. She even had my dick out for a little bit. This was one I wish I would have barfined, but I was busy with other fucklets (more on this later). Good shows here too. This bar is recommended by me.

Infinity: This is a new bar, I think it used to be Dirty Duck? Anyway, I though this place was terrible, too small and too many ugly girls, but a lot of the customers were really having a good time. It seemed like a hangout for older white guys. I had one drink with my Manila fucklet and left.

Valhalla: This place really sucked, nothing but uglies here. Avoid this place; you'll thank me later.

Eager Beavers: I went here really late one night and got a handjob in one of the booths for a couple of ladies drinks. Sleazy Fields bar. I'd go back.

Brown Sugar: I was told the barfine here is 1900, not worth it considering the talent. Fields' barfines are getting expensive!

Showtime bar: I barfined a girl from this bar. 20 year old Teresa. 1500 for the barfine, she stayed until the next day and gave good BBFS, beautiful petite body with firm tits and a nice little ass, but she wasn't that good at boom boom, I was disappointed since she said she used to live with a German guy who took her cherry. Guys, if you have a live-in fucklet, train them! I cut her loose after two days.

Candy Bar: One of my favorites, cheap 1100 peso barfines combined with pretty girls who like and know how to fuck. Why can't all the bars be like this? If you are looking for a barebacking three-holer, I can recommend Cicel from Leyte. If you want a girl next door look, I recommend Anabelle from Manila. Look for the chick with the longest hair in the bar. Hell, I wish I could have fucked the majority of the girls at this bar. Fun place.Excellent trip report! I'll be sure to check out Dragon' Den and the Showtime Bar in a couple of months. The dude that manages Infinity is way overrated; he ran Stampede / Cherries before getting this gig: my sense is that the girls run the joint, not the other way around. The best bars are like Candy Bar where the girls know why they are there.

I found an excellent performer at Eager Beavers on my last trip: absolutely insatiable!

Don't sleep on Vahalla or Brown Sugar; I always get good results there. Vahalla has a late crew that comes on about 10:30pm, good to know if earlier ventures come up ace / duce.

[LovingAsia]

I found an excellent performer at Eager Beavers on my last trip: absolutely insatiable!

Don't sleep on Vahalla or Brown Sugar; I always get good results there. Vahalla has a late crew that comes on about 10:30pm, good to know if earlier ventures come up ace / duce.I recall it's very dark in Eager Beavers. But the girls are friendly. That night, it was busy and only a few girls were left on the stage. They came up to us for a chat and didn't prod us to buy them drinks.

Brown Sugar. I was asking round for anal, and found a waitress here that did it. Name was Lyn, and at the time she told me she had tried it with a couple of Brits who were returning in Christmas for more action. She preferred to earn money through lady drinks, so she wasn't going to accept an early bf.

In the end I did get to try anal. A girl I found in Rio (which has since changed name) and had a 3some through a sneakout.

I got chatting to a Korean guy in a jeepney coming up from Friendship to Checkpoint. He asked whether I'd like to join him. I said sure, and suggested to try the bars in Perimeter. His reply "Oh, but I want beautiful girls". That was just the way I had thought, that is, until I did a bar crawl on Perimeter and found there was more going for these bars than in Fields. In some bars along Perimeter, you can happily while away an entire afternoon sipping on beer with a girl on your lap with your hands up her skirt- and you wouldn't even have bought more than 3 drinks. I can't imagine being able to do that in any of the bars along Fields.

On advice of a friend, I took bags of sweets and nibbles with me to the bars. The girls and mamasan are appreciative of a lolly or two!

[Socker]

Who said ANYTHING about the work collegues being square white people?

You obviously missed the point Socker, probably because you have never worked here and been staying in a hotel with anywhere between 3 and 50 people who are all part of your organisation.

This guy was sitting at a table filled with his workmates, all of whom were mixed male and female and all filipinos, and all of whom thought he was the epitome of a good boy.

Why do I bother explaining? (insert smiley here that says duuuuuuhhh) RK, You are right I missed (have no clue) of the reality there so thank you for straightening me out. I just want BMs to enjoy themselves w / out guilt. My comments about your story were stupid. Wish I could be there instead of here (USA).

[Mc Don]

in some bars along perimeter, you can happily while away an entire afternoon sipping on beer with a girl on your lap with your hands up her skirt- and you wouldn't even have bought more than 3 drinks. i can't imagine being able to do that in any of the bars along fields.

on advice of a friend, i took bags of sweets and nibbles with me to the bars. the girls and mamasan are appreciative of a lolly or two!3 drinks? lol i do the same thing on fields without buying that many. just go for it, don't think too much

you may want to take few lollypoops with you too...

[Gunshy]

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.To Gunsy,

Why even bother to come to AC in the morning and leave at 2. Pm don't make any sense most monger don't even get out of bed until after noon, monger is limited until after 3pm and most don't even hit the bar until after 7pm.

Fast Eddie 48

[WestCoast1]

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.Several things would help:

1. You RTTF before asking questions.

2. How brief is your stay?

3. You go there first, post some relevant experiences here on the board, before asking questions.

4. To be of some assistance: Check the half-a-dozen or so bars each on Santos street and Raymond street. These are ST places with a back room for fun. P700 gets 2 hours with the girl, or you can take her to your hotel for 2 hours. There are streetwalkers out at night.

[Red Kilt]

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.Something really weird here.

I am totally baffled why a newbie would arrive in AC at 8 am and stay for 6 hours?

If it was a business trip I could understand it, but the post reads as though it is a 6 hour stopover.

If you factor in all the potential delays, traffic etc he could end up with only 3 to 5 hours.

It doesn't make much sense to me.

[Frenzy3]

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.How about a magazine and your hand, no pussy is worth fly in fly out.

[Mc Don]

Westcoaster gave you goood advice at that time perhaps santos and few 24 hour bars that may be open on fields. Choice is limited before 10-11am.

Guys he may be on a conecting flight. Nothing weird these days as AC is gettting more and more flights we will see plenty of budget travelers using it as a hub

[Gunshy]

Why even bother to come to AC in the morning and leave at 2. Pm don't make any sense most monger don't even get out of bed until after noon, monger is limited until after 3pm and most don't even hit the bar until after 7pm.
Something really weird here.

I am totally baffled why a newbie would arrive in AC at 8 am and stay for 6 hours?

If it was a business trip I could understand it, but the post reads as though it is a 6 hour stopover.

If you factor in all the potential delays, traffic etc he could end up with only 3 to 5 hours.

It doesn't make much sense to me.
How about a magazine and your hand, no pussy is worth fly in fly out.
Westcoaster gave you goood advice at that time perhaps santos and few 24 hour bars that may be open on fields. Choice is limited before 10-11am.

Guys he may be on a conecting flight. Nothing weird these days as AC is gettting more and more flights we will see plenty of budget travelers using it as a hubI'm taking the bus from Manila to catch a 4:10 pm Air Asia flight to Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia. This flight is much cheaper from Angeles City than from Manila. Mongering is not the primary reason for my travels, but I don't mind having some fun if it fit my travel plans.


Several things would help:

1. You RTTF before asking questions.

2. How brief is your stay?

3. You go there first, post some relevant experiences here on the board, before asking questions.

4. To be of some assistance: Check the half-a-dozen or so bars each on Santos street and Raymond street. These are ST places with a back room for fun. P700 gets 2 hours with the girl, or you can take her to your hotel for 2 hours. There are streetwalkers out at night.I just sent you a private message. Thank you for your help.

[Red Kilt]

Something really weird here.

I am totally baffled why a newbie would arrive in AC at 8 am and stay for 6 hours?

If it was a business trip I could understand it, but the post reads as though it is a 6 hour stopover.I apologise for my use of the word "weird".

I honestly didn't know that Clark is now being used as a hub, so I can see that a stopover of 6 hours is possible.

I live in Manila permanently now and just don't use Clark so I posted from ignorance. Mea culpa

[Frenzy3]

Gunshy, I guess some people here don't understand what a connecting flight or layover are. To think it's "weird" or "something wrong" with what you wrote / asked is just an example of someone talking and proving they are an idiot instead of keeping their mouth shut and having people wonder whether they are an idiot. My favorite answer on here is "RTFF If they would have followed their own advice they wouldn't have had to ask you "how brief is your stay" since, if they RTFF, would have seen you clearly stated how long you would be there. I guess some even think your a psychic by requesting that you post something about your experience before you even get there for the first time before having their permission to ask questions on the forum. I loved that one. Awesome! I assume by the attitudes of some that they all have private jets and can't possibly understand how normal people live and travel. What's all this layover stuff anyway? The only good piece of advice I could see was that Santos and Raymond Streets are a good bet. I would also recommend that you join DIA (dateinasia. Com) and search girls that live in Pampanga, Angeles, Clark, or Angeles City and talk with some of them. I have found that at least 50% or more of the girls on there from Angeles are bargirls looking to meet someone. I'm sure you could easily find several that would be open to meeting you during your brief layover. I would recommend that you be honest with them about what your looking for, they won't be offended. Stating something like,"I'll be there for several hours on a layover and would like to spend some time with you" should work. Look for key words under "occupation" such as unemployed, massage therpist, none, waitress, etc. These are usually descriptions that the bargirls give just to give an answer. I do want to apologize for all the so-called experts on here that think that are too good to just give you an answer without giving you an attitude. There are fucking morons everywhere. Oh, by the way, I'm just a regular guy like you that actually flies commercial jets and has to stop in one city sometimes just to get to another.LOL you crack me up, it good to read a well written comedy, I thought you where serious until you said dia and then gave him "advice" and yes there are plenty of fucking morons everywhere, this forum gets plenty maybe the sex guide int the URL has something to do with it.

[Tally Wacker]

LOL you crack me up, it good to read a well written comedy, I thought you where serious until you said dia and then gave him "advice" and yes there are plenty of fucking morons everywhere, this forum gets plenty maybe the sex guide int the URL has something to do with it.Its funny how you feel he was refering to you when he mentioned "moron".

[Sammon]

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.AC is a brothel in real sense.

Your options are,

1. Before you go try in dateinasia. Com to see if you can arrange a meet up. Money talks.

2. There are 24 hour bars like dollhouse. Go, pick up girl, ask her for a ST hotel and you are set. If you do not like any girl there explain your situation and for a tip mamasans will call some girls for you.

3. Walk on fields avenue and try to hit up girls. Many bargirls walk there in daytime. Once again money talks.

4. Go to some massage places and ask. Do not worry. They get sex requests all the time. There is no set up there for sex. Need to go to ST hotel.

There is no transfer area in AC airport I believe. You need to go through immigration and wait and then do the immigration again. Last time I was there there was no real waiting area or lockers (update anyone?).

[X Man]

Vielendank. Takes no prisoners. I'm not going to snip any of this. Great post.


Gunshy, I guess some people here don't understand what a connecting flight or layover are. To think it's "weird" or "something wrong" with what you wrote / asked is just an example of someone talking and proving they are an idiot instead of keeping their mouth shut and having people wonder whether they are an idiot. My favorite answer on here is "RTFF If they would have followed their own advice they wouldn't have had to ask you "how brief is your stay" since, if they RTFF, would have seen you clearly stated how long you would be there. I guess some even think your a psychic by requesting that you post something about your experience before you even get there for the first time before having their permission to ask questions on the forum. I loved that one. Awesome! I assume by the attitudes of some that they all have private jets and can't possibly understand how normal people live and travel. What's all this layover stuff anyway? The only good piece of advice I could see was that Santos and Raymond Streets are a good bet. I would also recommend that you join DIA (dateinasia. Com) and search girls that live in Pampanga, Angeles, Clark, or Angeles City and talk with some of them. I have found that at least 50% or more of the girls on there from Angeles are bargirls looking to meet someone. I'm sure you could easily find several that would be open to meeting you during your brief layover. I would recommend that you be honest with them about what your looking for, they won't be offended. Stating something like,"I'll be there for several hours on a layover and would like to spend some time with you" should work. Look for key words under "occupation" such as unemployed, massage therpist, none, waitress, etc. These are usually descriptions that the bargirls give just to give an answer. I do want to apologize for all the so-called experts on here that think that are too good to just give you an answer without giving you an attitude. There are fucking morons everywhere. Oh, by the way, I'm just a regular guy like you that actually flies commercial jets and has to stop in one city sometimes just to get to another.

[Member #4152]

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.Just get a cheap ole hotel room, go down to one of the go go bars, bar fine a girl and take her back to your place? Sounds easy enough right?

[Doggage]

Thanks but to be honest I am just so damn tired of people being nasty, arrogant, and acting like they run these pages. You have a new guy wanting information and the best some people can do is call his situation weird (although Red Kilt did apoligize which was a class act) or tell him to RTFF. How hard is it to help out a new guy on the forum since that's what we are all here for anyway. Some people just have these illusions of grandeur and I wish they would take their attitudes and go away. Then to top it off you have the person saying to RTFF that asks how brief his visit will be when it's clearly stated. Just love how people tell people when they can post and when they can't as if they are Jackson who owns the website. It just proves that just because you have thousands of posts that it hasn't done a damn thing to increase their intelligence. The class of the person certainly doesn't correlate to the number of posts made by that person. I'm thoroughly convinced that some people have lost their fucking minds.Well said Vielendank.

I suggest a new acronym TBYP Think Before You Post.

[FastWay]

I have only been a member for about a week now and have noticed a lot of what he is talking about. I have been to Angeles City 7 times, my last trip in 2009, and going to return in Dec 2011 for about 1 month. I have learned something everyday that I am in the Philippines and still have to ask questions at times. This is a great forum, an I appreciate all the input.

Thanks

[LovingAsia]

AC is a brothel in real sense. There is no transfer area in AC airport I believe. You need to go through immigration and wait and then do the immigration again. Last time I was there there was no real waiting area or lockers (update anyone?).At the time of October 2011 there was a waiting area with stalls selling snacks and a souvenir shop. Wireless wasn't working . I was told there was meant to be wireless but it had been down for a few months. Someone else told me wireless was working in the check-in area. My 1 hour wait for a flight to HK on CP turned to an 8 hour wait. A cracked screen meant they had to fly out another plane to Clark. Still a few people were worse off than myself. They had waited more than a day since their flight was cancelled due to typhoons. So if you are flying out of AC to some other place for a connecting flight in the typhoon season, allow extra days in case your flight is seriously delayed.

[Doppel One]

This month I spent a little time in Manila and then I hit up some of the bars in AC. Here's my take of some of them, always IMHO:

Infinity: This is a new bar, I think it used to be Dirty Duck? Anyway, I though this place was terrible, too small and too many ugly girls, but a lot of the customers were really having a good time. It seemed like a hangout for older white guys. I had one drink with my Manila fucklet and left.

Candy Bar: One of my favorites, cheap 1100 peso barfines combined with pretty girls who like and know how to fuck. Why can't all the bars be like this? If you are looking for a barebacking three-holer, I can recommend Cicel from Leyte. If you want a girl next door look, I recommend Anabelle from Manila. Look for the chick with the longest hair in the bar. Hell, I wish I could have fucked the majority of the girls at this bar. Fun place.Ezinho,

Great report but with regards to Candy Bar and Infinity I beg to differ. For me one of the delights of AC is that two mongers can have totally different experiences given the exact same stimuli. I must have visited every bar on Fields and Perimiter over the last 5 weeks and I will write a full report when I leave, but for the record my experiences of Infinity and Candy Bar are diammetrically opposed to yours.

I found Candy Bar pretty cold and unatmospheric and it's not the sort of place I'd want to hang out. Some of the girls are quite attractive but most of them come from Manila and I sensed a slightly feral, hardcore quality about them. This was confirmed when I barfined an (allegedly) 18 year old called Argi (or R-G) who was far and away the worst girl (out of over 30) that I've bar fined during my current trip. She was attractive in a rake-thin model kind of a way with high cheek bones (almost Eastern European looking) but what she had in the looks department she lacked in attitude and social skills. I knew I'd made a mistake the moment we left the bar when she insisted on getting a tryke the 100 yards or so to my hotel. We ended up getting a jeepney. And then it was just downhill from there. The sex was ok but brief and mechanical and she wanted to call the shots. You can't do that, that and that. One of those sorts of girls and of course she wanted ultra short time, started eating the chocolate in my room without asking permission, wanted to know how much of a tip she was going to get before the sex. In short I was glad to get rid of the miserbale tart. Remember that name fellas. Argi. One to avoid. Of course I may have just picked the bad apple which has tainted my view of Candy Bar. The one great thing about the place is the 1100 peso bar fine. Which I liked a lot.

By contrast I have spent many wonderful hours in Infinity. Ok it's a bit sleazy but it's lovely and intimate and you sit very close to the dancers which I like. The girls may not be the best looking but they have character and are heaps of fun which makes them pleasent to be amongst. And the girls I've barfined have just been a delight, instant GFE, no trouble with staying LT and super fucks. The music is also ok, not quite to my taste but calibarted at a volume that allows you to actually have a conversation without resorting to shouting. If I have one complaint about Infinity it's related to the price of the barfine (1800) and the high number of pretty cherry girls on the floor. 50% of the girls you want to barfine are cherries who will bar hop but are too circumspect to go to your room for a BJ and a spot of DATY. All of which can be a little frustrating! But overall I really rate this place and would prefer spend a couple of hours in Infinity than at virtually any other bar on Fields. IMHO.

So there you have it. Two completely different takes on the exact same venues. Each, as they say, to their own.

D1

[WestCoast1]

I'm thoroughly convinced that some people have lost their fucking minds.And possibly I'm one of them. I didn't see the OP's 6-hour timeframe. Oops. Like RK, I saw the post as an odd one (for whatever reason).

[WestCoast1]

snip.

The sex was ok but brief and mechanical and she wanted to call the shots. You can't do that, that and that. One of those sorts of girlsD1: Nice post. Failure to discuss details in the bar before agreeing to barfine. Not every guy likes doing that, but if you fail to do it, the girl (legitimately) calls all the shots once in the room.

The good news is that most girls are still performing well at present (I was just there). Regarding that: a bar owner on Fields, a mamasan in another bar on fields (whom I date) , and three mama's from Santos and Raymond streets all confirm the same thing: its a very slow time. Plenty of customers walking the streets, poking heads in the door, but not enough customers sitting in the seats, buying drinks, buying LD's, or barfining. The fields mama and one of the Raymond street mamas (she might be the owner, and I had a long chat with her about price structure and customer service) told me they are telling the girls to be extra good to customers, stay longer, etc.

I will PM you about the chocolate-eating thing.

[Mc Don]

D1: Nice post. Failure to discuss details in the bar before agreeing to barfine. Not every guy likes doing that, but if you fail to do it, the girl (legitimately) calls all the shots once in the room.

The good news is that most girls are still performing well at present (I was just there). Regarding that: a bar owner on Fields, a mamasan in another bar on fields (whom I date) , and three mama's from Santos and Raymond streets all confirm the same thing: its a very slow time. Plenty of customers walking the streets, poking heads in the door, but not enough customers sitting in the seats, buying drinks, buying LD's, or barfining. The fields mama and one of the Raymond street mamas (she might be the owner, and I had a long chat with her about price structure and customer service) told me they are telling the girls to be extra good to customers, stay longer, etc.

I will PM you about the chocolate-eating thing.I was in AC few weeks ago and something weird seems to be going on. I was at ABC and my wingman at LGH because we could get 2 free standard suites in either place. Both hotels were booked out yet bars were empty and I mean really empty. Can't figure it out but I think punters are getting smarter, skiping the barfine when possible and drinking less. In the past I could see groups just having fun and drinking but thats gone. Plenty of available girls at the bars and not one bad experiance to report. If you specify what you want I think you will get it, its trully a buyers market there now.

For those at AC now, on Sunday the 8th ABC hasa pool party.

[Member #1453]

Ezinho,

Great report but with regards to Candy Bar and Infinity I beg to differ. For me one of the delights of AC is that two mongers can have totally different experiences given the exact same stimuli. I must have visited every bar on Fields and Perimiter over the last 5 weeks and I will write a full report when I leave, but for the record my experiences of Infinity and Candy Bar are diammetrically opposed to yours.

I found Candy Bar pretty cold and unatmospheric and it's not the sort of place I'd want to hang out. .

D1My 2 cents worth! I found the bar has nice atmosphere, and pleasant girls. Loved one with glasses. On the chubby side.

However, the barfine turned out to be disappointing. Even though we agreed on long time and other requirements,"Abegail" decided to leave after 1 hr and one shot. She had a nice almost hairless tight pussy, but cold fish. I suggest you stay away from her.

[FreebieFan]

LOL you crack me up, it good to read a well written comedy, I thought you where serious until you said dia and then gave him "advice" and yes there are plenty of fucking morons everywhere, this forum gets plenty maybe the sex guide int the URL has something to do with it.It's realy quite funny when a guy who frequently claims to be "the expert" hasnt a clue about to spell.

So here Mr Frenzy, are some tips to your mis spelt words, which frequently occur.

" it good" doesn't mean anything. However if you change that to " it's good" the words now have meaning.

" I thought you where serious" would, by the use of the word "where" imply a location.

If you use " I thought you were, or if not so educated,"I thought you was " then the meaning would be more clear.

Use of the words "Morons". Hmm seems like their location is self evident.

Happy to help you Sir, maybe the 5 gals sponging off you have taken your money and your spelling away?

[WestCoast1]

Plenty of available girls at the bars and not one bad experiance to report.My experience was close. Everything was going swimmingly well, but I ran into two instances where the girl abruptly could not perform one or another previously-agreed upon item. I finished the session, and when I went back to the bar to chat the mamasan about the issue, either another girl was offered or a future discount was offered right there on the spot. In each instance the mama quized the girl in my presence, in each instance the girl did not contest what happened.


If you specify what you want I think you will get it, its trully a buyers market there now.Concur. As proof, one of the ST bars on Raymond has lowered its LT rate to 1. 2, and you can keep the girl a very long time. I took a girl for LT (originally ST, but she was cute as hell, so I asked about LT) at about 1:30pm, and asked how much time I had with the girl. I assumed it would be maybe 8 hours. The mama said,"You bring back tomorrow." Whoa. I asked, to know for sure, by what time."Twelve. Lunch. You keep. OK?" The girl curled her fingers into mine, and off we went, later picking up another girl from another bar.

Also, I went around one night with a Field's bar mama on her night off. We hit some perimeter bars where her friends worked, then SkyTracks for one drink (my idea, stupid of me, its way too loud) , then she wanted to stop in to her bar for a minute to check on her girls before retiring to the hotel. Once inside her bar, she waved her hand around the bar from right to left, saying: "See. Only 4 customer. Should be 20 customer. Also they sit alone, no girl, no lady drink. Bad business now."

[Doppel One]

I will be arriving in Angeles City at 8:00 am on a weekday and I will have 6 hours to kill before I leave. I tend to prefer places where you can go straight into action without having to spend time on buying lady drinks, for example, regular brothels, massage parlors, fuck-rooms in the back of some bars, street walkers, etc. What are my options for some action during my brief stay in Angeles City? If necessary, I would be willing to get a room in a short-term hotel.Gushy,

I'm not sure if this is still relevant because you may have already cum and gone, so to speak, but if I was heading to AC for just six hours I wouldn't mess around with dating sites or with trying to hook up with freelancers, I would keep it very simple.

My itinirary would be something like this.

Arrive AC 8am and head straight for the Wild Orchid on Santos Street. Nice leisurely breakfast and then stroll across the street to the little row of short time bars. Things will be pretty quiet at that time but there is normally someone milling around. If you can talk to a mamasan and describe what you want she will no-doubt wake up one of the girls who sleeps on the premises who will then attend to your needs.

After an hour or so on Santos Street I would then stroll around the corner to Raymond Street and visit the ST bars there. By now it will probably be around midday and a few girls will be sitting outside trying to attract punters. The damage will be 700 pesos ST the same as the Santos Street bar you visited earlier.

About 1pm I'd head back to Wild Orchid where I arranged for them to look after my bags earlier. Collect bags. Get cab to airport.

Job done.

D1

[Frenzy3]

Its funny how you feel he was refering to you when he mentioned "moron".I did not think he was referring to me, I thought he included guys who need to tell people how to spell, and guys who forget to edit photos they post on the Internet when they have there dick in a lady boy.

[Frenzy3]

It's realy quite funny when a guy who frequently claims to be "the expert" hasnt a clue about to spell.

So here Mr Frenzy, are some tips to your mis spelt words, which frequently occur.

" it good" doesn't mean anything. However if you change that to " it's good" the words now have meaning.

" I thought you where serious" would, by the use of the word "where" imply a location.

If you use " I thought you were, or if not so educated,"I thought you was " then the meaning would be more clear.

Use of the words "Morons". Hmm seems like their location is self evident.

Happy to help you Sir, maybe the 5 gals sponging off you have taken your money and your spelling away?Unlike you I get girls, and post photos. I never knew you where so educated, that you fly to Philippines just so you can get free sex from girls who are desperate to get out of the place.

It funny how the 2 trolls want to post replies to my post, when really I think the advice was way of base like the stuff you post.

6 hr stop over and to use dia, dreaming.

[Frenzy3]

I'm taking the bus from Manila to catch a 4:10 pm Air Asia flight to Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia. This flight is much cheaper from Angeles City than from Manila. Mongering is not the primary reason for my travels, but I don't mind having some fun if it fit my travel plans.

I just sent you a private message. Thank you for your help.Good to see you clarified you original post which created some activity, you also did get some good advice on which bars to try. I hope you ignored the dia seems the arm chair guys get excited when they think they can post some shit they read on the board that they can repeat as if they are pussy experts, do come back and post how the moring bar hop went, and unlike the wankers who never come here post some photos, most of us never see the bars during the day, who knows they might even look ok during the day.

[Member #4351]

Frenzy speaks English quite well, however I have noticed that many guys just type quickly and post without doing any proofreading. As long as the general meaning of the post can be understood, IMHO its not a big deal.

[Charlie Horse]

Frenzy, once again, your one of the morons on here that think they know the answer to everything. I do agree with the other poster about your English language abilities. I'll excuse you for the pathetic grammar and spelling based on two assumptions; one, you never received a formal education or two, English is not your first language.!Don't mean to turn this into a grammar lesson, but several times you wrote "your" when "you're" was the proper English.

[Member #4351]

Vielendank, I understand and was just trying to calm things down. As I have mentioned before, I met Frenzy a couple of times in Cebu and know that he has his own way of looking at things and a strong, what some may feel is abrasive, personality. However he does live in a squatter area, does live with 4 or 5 girls and can I think, contribute to the forum from a distinct point of view. He also posts some interesting photos from time to time. Anyway, I hope that the personal attacks from all sides including from Frenzy, can calm down so that the thread doesn't get filled with antagonistic posts.

[PolyOrchid]

Anyway, I hope that the personal attacks from all sides including from Frenzy, can calm down so that the thread doesn't get filled with antagonistic posts.Damn, boys, it's about pussy and fun. Not oneupmanship. In the words of our dearly departed Rodney King,"Can't we just all get along?"

[Screaming Beaver]

I have been to AC before but it's been a couple years and I just couldn't remember.Maybe he couldn't remember that post back on February 21 asking advice on how to use an ATM card in Angeles City.


I go to Angeles several times a year and have for that past 10 years.Same guy now says on June 25th he's goes there several times per year. It makes me wonder if he's hitting the old bong back there in Orange County and really doesn't remember much of anything.

[Rick Rock]

Hello everyone. I think I may have picked up something VD related in Japan. Headed from here to Angeles City. I am wondering if there are any pharmacies that will let me get some medicine without having to go through the doctor hoops. I'm not here in Japan long enough to see a doctor, and if this progresses, I'd rather just grab some anti-biotics in AC.

I know that in a lot of Latin American countries, you can get direct from the Pharmacist. Hoping Philippines is same.

Thanks

[Svoboda]

Hallo,

I am European man, living in south of Sri Lanka in the small hotel with 21 rooms, restaurant and bar.

I am seeking for the nice, smiling and diligent woman, who will come to work in my hotel as the waitress, house maid and escort for mainly european guests. Basic knowledge of English is requested. Minimal period to work here is 3 month. Accomodation and food is included. Salary to be agreed.

I am looking forward you will reply me if you are interested to stay and work in the nice hotel in the sunny Sri Lanka.

Jiri Svoboda

[WhatsUrName]

Maybe he couldn't remember that post back on February 21 asking advice on how to use an ATM card in Angeles City.

Same guy now says on June 25th he's goes there several times per year. It makes me wonder if he's hitting the old bong back there in Orange County and really doesn't remember much of anything.I, for one, don't give a rat's ass about the precise dates and times of Vielendank's trips to AC. His point is spot on in that some of the more prolific posters have a real superiority complex. Thank you for posting Vielendank. It needed to be said.

[Hatguy]

Hello everyone. I think I may have picked up something VD related in Japan. Headed from here to Angeles City. I am wondering if there are any pharmacies that will let me get some medicine without having to go through the doctor hoops. I'm not here in Japan long enough to see a doctor, and if this progresses, I'd rather just grab some anti-biotics in AC.

I know that in a lot of Latin American countries, you can get direct from the Pharmacist. Hoping Philippines is same.

ThanksRick.

I'm in Japan as well. Just go to Mercury drug and you can get ZITHROMAX for 350 peso per pill. That is roughly what I paid. No one asks you for a prescription. Its readily available.

[FreebieFan]

Unlike you I get girls, and post photos. I never knew you where so educated, that you fly to Philippines just so you can get free sex from girls who are desperate to get out of the place.

It funny how the 2 trolls want to post replies to my post, when really I think the advice was way of base like the stuff you post.

6 hr stop over and to use dia, dreaming.Once again, its "were" not "where"."way of base" would be more understandable is you said " way off base". Otherwise its just gibberish.

Actually I fly to the Philippines to look after my businesses. For obvious reasons I don't fill a sex forum with my business activities.

The free sex is just a nice happy bonus.

And I get as much as you, but unlike you, I don't claim here or anywhere else to be the expert.

I prefer to be inclusive, as opposed to the Frenzy style of " I said it so it must be correct and if you disagree with me that makes you a wanker "

Theres a lot of us here on this board. You are just one of many.

Try to be less opinionated, try to be less abrasive, try to be part of the crowd instead of the guy on his own and you will find the board is a heck of lot more enjoyable. Oh and try to find spell check too.

[Rick Rock]

Rick.

I'm in Japan as well. Just go to Mercury drug and you can get ZITHROMAX for 350 peso per pill. That is roughly what I paid. No one asks you for a prescription. Its readily available.Thanks a lot for the help. I have sent you a PM.

[Kitie Carson]

Frenzy, once again, your one of the morons on here that think they know the answer to everything. I do agree with the other poster about your English language abilities. I'll excuse you for the pathetic grammar and spelling based on two assumptions; one, you never received a formal education or two, English is not your first language. I just can't understand how you can tell someone that something doesn't work when I have used DIA many times for this type situation and for long term situations. I won't even begin to explain why as I'm sure you wouldn't understand anything I say. To Gunshy, DIA works in both long term and short term situations and I have actually had girls come pick me up at the airport and we went to a short time hotel for several hours. Frenzy, I really feel sorry for you since it's obvious that you have already learned everything that life has to offer and there's nothing more for you to learn. Something tells me that the only reason you "get girls" is because you have peso's in your pockets. I have met so many girls on DIA that never charged me a dime although I did take care of them anyway as a respectful gesture. You sound so damn bitter. Is it a Napolean Complex or penis envy you suffer from? Not sure which applies to you. Your the exact type asshole that this forum doesn't need. You have nothing to offer and you can't write a complete sentence so what you do write is not comprehendable anyway. Sorry for using a word you don't understand. You can go to Dictionary. Com to look up all the words I wrote that are 5 letters or more. The only one here that claims to be an expert is your sorry ass. I'm convinced after seeing your bitterness that the only way you can get a girl is to pay them. You are probably sour on DIA because the girls didn't want to have anything to do with your fat, ugly ass. There are other guys on here that can get girls based on charm and taking care of ourselves. Please, try to improve your personality and you might get laid without having to pay. Oh, in case you didn't notice, I was typing slowly so you could understand that words that I was writing. Just my thought, I could be wrong!I couldn't understand what you were saying as you wrote it all in 1 paragraph, when everyone with proper "formal education" knows how to make paragraphical breaks. If you need help just let 1 of us with a "formal education" help you.

[WestCoast1]

Rick.

I'm in Japan as well. Just go to Mercury drug and you can get ZITHROMAX for 350 peso per pill. That is roughly what I paid. No one asks you for a prescription. Its readily available.Walking on the heart of Field's Avenue, with Kokomo's restaurant on your right, about 3 doors down is a small street farmacy. Zithro was p140, and Doxycycline was p9 per pill.

[Rick Rock]

Great, thanks. Is this stuff effective? Sorry, but never had any VD problems before and as you can imagine a bit startling. Any recommendations on doses or that kind of thing?

[BionicMan]

I couldn't understand what you were saying as you wrote it all in 1 paragraph, when everyone with proper "formal education" knows how to make paragraphical breaks. If you need help just let 1 of us with a "formal education" help you.Ah ah looks like a post graduate university professor needs technical support by a nursery school teacher to go through his basics. Might be able to use a super computer but can't do the math at the grocery shop.

[BionicMan]

Hallo,

I am European man, living in south of Sri Lanka in the small hotel with 21 rooms, restaurant and bar.

I am seeking for the nice, smiling and diligent woman, who will come to work in my hotel as the waitress, house maid and escort for mainly european guests. Basic knowledge of English is requested. Minimal period to work here is 3 month. Accomodation and food is included. Salary to be agreed.

I am looking forward you will reply me if you are interested to stay and work in the nice hotel in the sunny Sri Lanka.

Jiri SvobodaAre you running a brothel disguised as hotel? Who is going to do the maid services when she is "escorting". The whole post sounds a bit funny.

[Joyra]

Hi RR,

Sent you a PM. Please check.

Cheers!

Joyra

[Radical Guy]

Hello everyone. I think I may have picked up something VD related in Japan. Headed from here to Angeles City. I am wondering if there are any pharmacies that will let me get some medicine without having to go through the doctor hoops. I'm not here in Japan long enough to see a doctor, and if this progresses, I'd rather just grab some anti-biotics in AC.

I know that in a lot of Latin American countries, you can get direct from the Pharmacist. Hoping Philippines is same.

ThanksAre you sure that you want to self-medicate something like this? There are a variety of STD's out there, some with very serious health risks. Zithromax may not do the trick, BUT could possibly mask symptoms and allow an infection to brew unnoticed in your system (e. G. Syphilis). Also, if you don't knock out the infection properly the first time, you could make it more difficult later on by making the little bugs resistant to antibiotics.

Don't play this game with something as important as your health. Spend a few bucks and see a COMPETENT physician, and get this thing treated right. It will be much cheaper in the long run.

RG

[Mackin]

Hey Freebie, I read your last post. You said to F3 that he is just one of many on this board. You should remember that he and a few of his friends decided that unless you post a picture on the photo section you are not suppose to make any comments. We are to use the chit chat section for our comments. To a certain point I can see this, but sometimes it is crazy to look at a picture and then go to a different thread and keep switching back and forth.

My point being that he was some how elected to be in charge of the Philippine section. You do remember voting don't you? So you must understand his management ways.

Unfortunately, did I spell that correctly, my computer ports won't allow me post pictures as they don't work correctly any more. To much money to repair and to much to buy a new computer so I won't post any pictures. But I might write something to get him going.

Your last post was well said.

[Frenzy3]

i go to angeles a couple times a year for work and almost never go to fields roads or the bars. i work on clark field and most of the girls i'm with i meet on dia. i really don't know what point your trying to make anyway since it's not related to anything that we are talking about. the only mistake i made on my post is i should have wrote that i haven't been on fields road or to the bars in years. either way, the incestous relationships that people have on here and belief that their view is the only legitimate one is really pathetic. if you want to buy into their bs go ahead. i just don't happen to think that one person's opinion is the only one. i still almost never use an atm card there so i could / would probably ask that same question again in the future.look you and the other trolls always look like a bunch of lying fustrated losers. so far this whole ac thread has been taken off topic with this shit over one guys post which he replied with more info and even quoted my reply.

that the whole thing about forums we all have opinions, some one may disagree with your opinions, just move on or clarify you opinon rather than attack the posters, talking about levels of english on a international forum makes you look like a ass.

i post here my experiances and guys who respect it have made the effort and met up with me, since i live in philippines with 5 gf i do have quite a few contacts with girls here. so when i post i post what i know from living with the locals, rather than living in motels and bars. like all anonymous posters you can ignore my advice or argue why you think i am wrong, but just posting attacks just makes you a troll.

we are all here to post and share one interest, sex with women.

[Rick Rock]

Are you sure that you want to self-medicate something like this? There are a variety of STD's out there, some with very serious health risks. Zithromax may not do the trick, BUT could possibly mask symptoms and allow an infection to brew unnoticed in your system (e. G. Syphilis). Also, if you don't knock out the infection properly the first time, you could make it more difficult later on by making the little bugs resistant to antibiotics.

Don't play this game with something as important as your health. Spend a few bucks and see a COMPETENT physician, and get this thing treated right. It will be much cheaper in the long run.

RGYou are probably right. Any recommendations on where to go? Truth is, I don't have insurance or a ton of money, and I'm deathly afraid of doctors.

[BionicMan]

----- he and a few of his friends decided that unless you post a picture on the photo section you are not suppose to make any comments. We are to use the chit chat section for our comments. To a certain point I can see this, but sometimes it is crazy to look at a picture and then go to a different thread and keep switching back and forth.Very well and appropriately said. It is like having a sequence of questions in one page and the others in another one.

A comment to a picture can't be done with an immediate and visible reference to the picture itself.

On the other hand replying on the photo gallery's without posting a picture is a no-no. The idea sounds nice but, again, not always practicable. What if I don't have a picture available? What if my picture has nothing to do with the area of talks? Am I refrained from the liberty to post a comment saying "that girl has been working also elsewhere and was no good". Which girl? May I post the comment if I add an image of my cat? Honestly, the whole story seems a non-sense to me and a bit arrogant. There is only one guy who can set rules and this is Jackson, the rest is corporals trying to add the stripes on the sleeves so they can see them when watching themselves at the mirror. Over 70years ago an Austrian corporal made his way through a political party. He didn't like to see around any guy with no blue eyes, inducing anyone not being blonde to stay around, questioning their beliefs, sex inclinations and so on. He was also keen to export his views.

Not the best years of last centuries.

[Radical Guy]

You are probably right. Any recommendations on where to go? Truth is, I don't have insurance or a ton of money, and I'm deathly afraid of doctors.No, I don't know any specific doctors, but there must be some reputable clinics around. If it were me, I'd find one in the nicer areas of Manila (Makati?) , rather than AC. In the Philippines, the more competent doctors stay in the larger cities, while the quacks tend to go to the provinces where they don't examine credentials so closely.

When I was in Davao a couple of years ago, I got a nasty throat infection and high fever, and went to the Davao Doctors Hospital. I was quite impressed with their professionalism and competence, and the cost was very reasonable.

RG

[Sharka]

Last time I was there and paying any attention, I thought High Society was a bar much like Blue Niles but just heard it has been turned into a disco. I thought Skytraxs was the only disco in the Fields area but guess they now have competition.

Anyone been to High Society? Does it have a cover charge like Skytrax (I think SkyT was 150p admission but this included one drink).

So is High Society the "in" place to pick up FL rather than Sky?

[Sharka]

i go to angeles a couple times a year for work and almost never go to fields roads or the bars. i work on clark field and most of the girls i'm with i meet on dia.i tried this method once and it kinda backfired on me with dia. wasted time and money on a "date" that turned out to be a bg that was off duty and had to pay her anyway for a f*k. just for those that haven't tried dia or other similar dating sites, about 90% of what they tell you is bs and up to you to sort it out. some will even tell you they come from different provinces but actually live nearby. didn't work for me as i usually have 1 week only for ac but for those living in pi its a different story with more time to kill. but also beware of scammers with these sites as one buddy of mine was almost scammed with the whole **** thing with the dia site and another posted (on a different site) how he was drugged back at his place and got cleaned out.

[Screaming Beaver]

I keep hearing about people being drugged and for me it's not an issue as I never leave my drink / beer unattended (even when I go to the bathroom) and I don't eat anything unless it's been put in front of my by a waiter or waitress. I won't "try" something if a girl asks me too.It amazes me how these guys read this bullshit someplace and accept it as the gospel. The odds of something like this happening are much greater in Las Vegas than it is in Angeles City. I doubt this clown has even been to Angeles City. Next thing he will be saying is 10 percent of Filipinas we bang are actually men.


Statistics will also show that of the 400 girls that you "sexed" that the probability is that at least 40 of them where men / katoeys / ladyboys or whatever adjective you want to use. I hope you were looking closely especially in the PI's.Whoops, he did say it, LOL! Where the hell does he get those 'statistics'? Let me guess, his ass?

[Screaming Beaver]

One more thing, let me know if your in Angeles or will be there in August. I'll be back there for work from August 24th through the 29th. I would prefer that since you have a problem with me that we discuss this in person. Seems to be the best way to do it. I always stay at Pacific Breeze hotel. You can PM me and I can tell you what I'll be wearing, what time I'll be there, and we can meet at the bar by the swimming pool. You can bring a friend or your mom with you if you'd like. I'm not going to have you attack me personally on here without giving you the opportunity to work this out in person.Yes, we all look forward to your maiden voyage to AC. I do hope your questions were fully answered on how to use an ATM card and don't forget to bring your beer with you to the crapper while cruising the bars since I'm sure some evil beaver has plans to slip a mickey in your drink and then have a ladyboy have his way with you. Meow!

[Rick Rock]

Who takes a trip half way around the world to have a fist fight while on vacation? Come on guys, you are all being ridiculous at this point. Let it go. It's not so serious.

[Mc Don]

Last time I was there and paying any attention, I thought High Society was a bar much like Blue Niles but just heard it has been turned into a disco. I thought Skytraxs was the only disco in the Fields area but guess they now have competition.

Anyone been to High Society? Does it have a cover charge like Skytrax (I think SkyT was 150p admission but this included one drink).

So is High Society the "in" place to pick up FL rather than Sky?High society was a disco from day one. Its owned by the LGH group. No cover charge, at least at times I have been. SkyT has 150p only on Friday and saturdays and I belive and its free every other night.

Yes High Society is the IN place rather the SkyT. Don't know about freelancers, there are girls there but a lot of them a bargirls barhoping with clients or groups of locals. Don't assume everyone is a freelancer LOL. Anyway in AC its kind of stupid to look for freelancers considering the cheap barfine. Don't know about you but the $10 or so you may save is just not worth the risk of some broad trying to rob me in the room or renag on our deal. Don't get me wrong I am all for it in other parts of Phils but in AC I see no point chassing freelancers IMO.

[Mc Don]

I keep hearing about people being drugged and for me it's not an issue as I never leave my drink / beer unattended (even when I go to the bathroom) and I don't eat anything unless it's been put in front of my by a waiter or waitress. I won't "try" something if a girl asks me too.Shit like that happens in Thailand and few other countries in SEA but NOT in phils especially not in AC. Its way to expensive for a bar girl to get that sort of drugs and run that kind of scheme in a place like AC where bars and hotels rely on the tourists. Even in Thailand it happens at high end places or known expats that have cash at their place. The thing you should watch out is the ICE. Smaller bars are not very pedantic and don't care if it falls on the floor or gets dirty. You can get sick very easy from it. Another thing is fresh salad. Its washed with tap water. OK in Manila, not so in AC if you have a sensitive stomach like me.

[Mc Don]

You are probably right. Any recommendations on where to go? Truth is, I don't have insurance or a ton of money, and I'm deathly afraid of doctors.Ask the bargirls about the one handed doctor (yes he has only one hand) near the cotton club. Basically get in a trike and ask the driver to take you to the STD clinic near the cotton club on perimeter Road. Its 20-30 meters from the cotton club and I think you have to go upstages. Look at the signage there you should see it or ask someone near there. He is the BEST. All he does is STD's and he does it on the spot in most cases. Few expats that live in AC have recommended him. Sorry I don't have any more details I have never been there myself but my wingman had to go few months ago and he got everything he needed including prescriptions from the doc on the spot in less than an hour. He went early when the clinic opened up. I hope this helps.

[Run Mann]

I don't go there for vacation but for work. Also, no one said anything about a fist fight. When someone attacks me personally then I would rather discuss it in person then on this forum. No one needs to hear this shit but if the person that has issues with me and likes to make it personal I would rather meet in person over a beer. He's a coward anyway and would never meet me. There is a big difference making a counterpoint on something someone said and making personal attacks. LPB needs to learn the difference and not everyone is going to take his shit and ignore it.Your invitation, subsequent posts and name calling to him sure sounds like you're inviting him for fight, people are usually not this insistent on meeting strangers they disagree with for a beer.

[Mc Don]

I'm taking the bus from Manila to catch a 4:10 pm Air Asia flight to Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia. This flight is much cheaper from Angeles City than from Manila. Mongering is not the primary reason for my travels, but I don't mind having some fun if it fit my travel plans.Cool this makes sense now. I think you had all of off the track even I thought you are coming in to phils via clark only to transfer latter on a flight to cebu or somewhere. Please be more specific in future.

Anyway my advise to you is go down Fields Avenue and look at some of the big 24 hour bars. ATLANTIS, GENESIS, one of BLUE or GOLDEN NILE also VOODOO (I think it was voodoo, definitely the one next to the DEVIL WITCH is 24hrs) and few others. There is 200 or so girls to chose from so I am sure you will find what you are looking for. Ask on the street they will point you in the right direction.

I have gone hunting around 5-6am twice after an early flight in to AC and I was surprised of some the quality thats on offer even at that time in the morning. What I would suggest to you is make sure you interview the girl properly and identify if she has been on stage all night or just started. You don't want a girl that has been on all night and its about to end her shift.

DIA can be useful but I would NOT recommend in your case. Yes DIA works in AC but there are 2 types of girls that are on it. Bar girls which would know whats the score and will charge you same as the barfine in their bar anyway so whats the point, you may as well have a look and pick up from the 200 or so in the bars at the time. 2nd type is non bar girls but they tend to be more difficult because they wear the stigma of the bar girls and almost every foreigner sees and treats them as bar girls so they tend to avoid us altogether especially if you are staying around fields or its a short time stop over. Bottom line is its not worth the time in your case. Having said all this its a different story if you spend 2-3 weeks then by all means pursue it.

Anyway good luck, please report back you have had some great advice from lot of people here and I am sure many of us want to know what happened.

[Doppel One]

Everyone has different interpretations. I was giving him an opporunity to talk to me face to face about issues that I assume he had with me. I wasn't talking to him, never inititated a conversation with him, and he started talking shit. I just thought that since he had issues, and I go there regularly for work, that we could discuss it in person instead of on this forum. But, he apparently doesn't want to do that. I'm done with him and F3 as they aren't worth my time. If you read most of my posts you will see that I offer advice or ask questions in a respectful way. If someone attacks me, I will attack back. I'm not going to ignore it especially when it's a personal comment he / they made. Don't worry I have no intention of talking or responding to F3 or Little Pussy Boy anymore.It would be an absolute tragedy if you you met up and both killed each other but at least then we wouldn't have to put up with this childish saga being played out on the board. Please girls calm down.

[BionicMan]

I think we can agree or disagree but there is no point and no advantage to shout loud hard definitions. The target will care the less (why should I care if a total stranger I don't even know the face of calls me by name or think I am an idiot). The attacker will have his own little and solitary satisfaction (that I define a mental masturbation). I don't agree and made it public on this over enforcement (written only, BTW, with no action) about the unwritten rule in the PG. But I don't see the point in calling names, define his partners and so on, the guy who has that opinion. Different POV's for sure. Will I be correct if I call him idiot? Don't think so! Will he be oissing I his pants reding that Bionicman rates him an idiot. No way. He (and I would do the same) can care the less. Something is explaining and defending one's position, opinion. Something else is defining what his partners are, especially if totally uknown, therefore the definition is purely fictitious and virtual.

I stay correct in my critic, but I let the guy be as, ultimately, we are talking about a FF (yes, those two F's are part of the RTFF acronymous!)

Do we need this?
Amen.

[Rick Rock]

Ask the bargirls about the one handed doctor (yes he has only one hand) near the cotton club. Basically get in a trike and ask the driver to take you to the STD clinic near the cotton club on perimeter Road. Its 20-30 meters from the cotton club and I think you have to go upstages. Look at the signage there you should see it or ask someone near there. He is the BEST. All he does is STD's and he does it on the spot in most cases. Few expats that live in AC have recommended him. Sorry I don't have any more details I have never been there myself but my wingman had to go few months ago and he got everything he needed including prescriptions from the doc on the spot in less than an hour. He went early when the clinic opened up. I hope this helps.Thanks buddy. Very helpful information that I will put to good use. Cheers!

[Ekspat]

Anyway my advise to you is go down Fields Avenue and look at some of the big 24 hour bars. ATLANTIS, GENESIS, one of BLUE or GOLDEN NILE also VOODOO (I think it was voodoo, definitely the one next to the DEVIL WITCH is 24hrs)Atlantis is not open 24 hrs, Voodoo and Dollhouse yes, Genesis I'm not sure.

Cheers!

[Great Expecta]

I hadn't been back to the PI in 5 years and jumped at the chance when I knew I was going to Guam for work. I RTFF for a month to get reacquainted with Angeles and Subic to prepare and am glad I did.

I arrived in Angeles at midnight after sitting in two hours of traffic in Manila. I stayed at the Bourbon Street Condo Hotel on Santos in a penthouse suite complete with all the amenities. I skipped the bars on Fields and went right to the side street clubs as the forum indicated there were quite a few good finds that didn't have the attitude of the Fields Ave girls.

I met Gina at the Eager Beaver bar on a side street to Fields (Raymond?). Her bar fine was 1, 800 pesos for long time and I gladly paid, as it was getting close to 2am by that time. We went back to the room, had a drink, and started with the usual shower. We climbed into bed and I immediately jumped into DATY which surprised her a little. She came a few times and then I pulled out one of three vibrators I brought along. She looked at them and said 'NO' in a firm way. But then I turned it on and put it on her clit and she melted in the bed sheets. She loved to get fucked and we did several positions before we passed out and slept. I woke her up about three hours later with a huge hard-on and she gladly accommodated. She is a girl that actually fucks you at the same time and she doesn't just lay back and receive. Once we woke up, we went next door to the Wild Orchid Resort for breakfast and then to the mall to buy bulk beer and wine. Once back in the room. I started feeling her up while she was checking her Facebook and after a while, she closed out and we stripped and got busy on the sofa for a few hours.

Gina will only do long time on Fridays and Saturdays, as she is trying to complete her high school classes at 23yrs old. She'll do short time seven days a week. She is a definite repeat for me if I make it back to Angeles. She adamantly refused to have pictures showing her face, so what you see here was the best I could get.

[Great Expecta]

I had just left the hotel and was barely making my way up Santos to Fields Ave when I laid eyes on Heartland. She had to have been one of the best looking young ladies I'the seen since getting to the PI. She is 18yrs old and has a body to die for. I walked right up, sat down, grabbed a beer and bought her a lady drink and started chatting away. It was about 6pm and she agreed to a long time, so I paid her bar fine of 1, 250 pesos and we went across the street to the hotel. We talked a little more and then jumped in the shower to rinse off. We headed right in bed and didn't miss a beat before I headed for DATY and she was grabbing my cock. After she came a few times, I brought out the vibrators and just like Gina, she voiced hesitation until she felt one up against her clit. Then I thought I was going to have to pry it away from her. We played for a few hours and then drifted off to sleep. I woke her up at 6am to start again and finished just as her phone started ringing off the hook. Heartland and her Mamasan told me I was her first long time and she only did short times in the back room. She didn't realize (nor did I) that the 'long time' ended at 6am when her shift started (she works 6am-6pm). She wound up being an hour and half late for her shift and Mamasan fined her 800 pesos, which I thought was pretty fucked up.

My next two reports are from Subic Bay.

[Rick Rock]

Gina looks hot. Good score bro.

[Sumart]

I really like your pics Expecta. Can you provide more to us?


I had just left the hotel and was barely making my way up Santos to Fields Ave when I laid eyes on Heartland. She had to have been one of the best looking young ladies I'the seen since getting to the PI. She is 18yrs old and has a body to die for. I walked right up, sat down, grabbed a beer and bought her a lady drink and started chatting away. It was about 6pm and she agreed to a long time, so I paid her bar fine of 1, 250 pesos and we went across the street to the hotel. We talked a little more and then jumped in the shower to rinse off. We headed right in bed and didn't miss a beat before I headed for DATY and she was grabbing my cock. After she came a few times, I brought out the vibrators and just like Gina, she voiced hesitation until she felt one up against her clit. Then I thought I was going to have to pry it away from her. We played for a few hours and then drifted off to sleep. I woke her up at 6am to start again and finished just as her phone started ringing off the hook. Heartland and her Mamasan told me I was her first long time and she only did short times in the back room. She didn't realize (nor did I) that the 'long time' ended at 6am when her shift started (she works 6am-6pm). She wound up being an hour and half late for her shift and Mamasan fined her 800 pesos, which I thought was pretty fucked up.

My next two reports are from Subic Bay.

[Garry Smith]

Great pics, mind to share the fl hp number.


I hadn't been back to the PI in 5 years and jumped at the chance when I knew I was going to Guam for work. I RTFF for a month to get reacquainted with Angeles and Subic to prepare and am glad I did.

I arrived in Angeles at midnight after sitting in two hours of traffic in Manila. I stayed at the Bourbon Street Condo Hotel on Santos in a penthouse suite complete with all the amenities. I skipped the bars on Fields and went right to the side street clubs as the forum indicated there were quite a few good finds that didn't have the attitude of the Fields Ave girls.

I met Gina at the Eager Beaver bar on a side street to Fields (Raymond?). Her bar fine was 1, 800 pesos for long time and I gladly paid, as it was getting close to 2am by that time. We went back to the room, had a drink, and started with the usual shower. We climbed into bed and I immediately jumped into DATY which surprised her a little. She came a few times and then I pulled out one of three vibrators I brought along. She looked at them and said 'NO' in a firm way. But then I turned it on and put it on her clit and she melted in the bed sheets. She loved to get fucked and we did several positions before we passed out and slept. I woke her up about three hours later with a huge hard-on and she gladly accommodated. She is a girl that actually fucks you at the same time and she doesn't just lay back and receive. Once we woke up, we went next door to the Wild Orchid Resort for breakfast and then to the mall to buy bulk beer and wine. Once back in the room. I started feeling her up while she was checking her Facebook and after a while, she closed out and we stripped and got busy on the sofa for a few hours.

Gina will only do long time on Fridays and Saturdays, as she is trying to complete her high school classes at 23yrs old. She'll do short time seven days a week. She is a definite repeat for me if I make it back to Angeles. She adamantly refused to have pictures showing her face, so what you see here was the best I could get.

[Bundanko]

It would be an absolute tragedy if you you met up and both killed each other but at least then we wouldn't have to put up with this childish saga being played out on the board. Please girls calm down.Do not start a fight here. Size is of no use as guns are easily available here and people here have shown me some. Just monger peacefully as there are just plenty of girls and far too few takers. If you go to the bars on the average ratio of customers to girls is 1:10. PEACE

[Mc Don]

Atlantis is not open 24 hrs, Voodoo and Dollhouse yes, Genesis I'm not sure.

Cheers!You could be right about Atlantis anyway there are few places open 24h which is enough to find something. Dollhouse on its own should be enough LOL.

[Run Mann]

I had just left the hotel and was barely making my way up Santos to Fields Ave when I laid eyes on Heartland. She had to have been one of the best looking young ladies I'the seen since getting to the PI. She is 18yrs old and has a body to die for. .Nice looking chick but body to die for? Maybe after she loses a few pounds from her waist line, right now she looks like many regular bodies in AC but good find.

[Great Expecta]

Nice looking chick but body to die for? Maybe after she loses a few pounds from her waist line, right now she looks like many regular bodies in AC but good find.I believe the way she was sitting when I took the picture makes it look like she needs to lose a few pounds. Drop by and check her out.

[Run Mann]

I believe the way she was sitting when I took the picture makes it look like she needs to lose a few pounds. Drop by and check her out.Nah, no offense and it's good that you had a great time with her but she is not the kind of girl I go for.

[D Cups]

Has anyone seen any particularly busty girls in AC? I mean slim and stacked, not fat. Any intel appreciated. I'll be there for three days in October.

[Member #4698]

I believe the way she was sitting when I took the picture makes it look like she needs to lose a few pounds. Drop by and check her out.Her body is starting to show that Filipina junky fast food & candy look so common among working girls in the PI. She is young and still looks pretty good, but it is going to be a downhill ride from here. The important thing is she showed you a good time.

Truth be told, there are very few absolute stunners on Fields, Perimeter or Santos. Nice looking, GFE girls and reasonable prices is what the AC bar scene is all about. If you want the stunners go to Manila, Cebu, BKK and Macau and pay the price.

[Mc Don]

Her body is starting to show that Filipina junky fast food & candy look so common among working girls in the PI. She is young and still looks pretty good, but it is going to be a downhill ride from here. The important thing is she showed you a good time.

Truth be told, there are very few absolute stunners on Fields, Perimeter or Santos. Nice looking, GFE girls and reasonable prices is what the AC bar scene is all about. If you want the stunners go to Manila, Cebu, BKK and Macau and pay the price.AC has stunners too. Depends on what you like and consider a stunner maybe you are not looking at the right bars for you. I don't disagree about Manila, BKK and Macau but Cebu? I find the best cebuana bar girls working in AC. Cebu bars have nothing to offer compared to AC. Yes non bar scene in Cebu is good much better then AC but as far as pay 4 play goes AC has it better and far more of it. Manila YES there is better quality of girls there then AC but this I think is mainly due to the upbringing you will find more cultured, better english speaking girls in Makati then the province girls you find in AC. Same can be said if you compare BKK vs Patt. Macau is another level but price there is not even comparable to AC so no point comparing.

Great Expecta. I agree with the other posters, you should go and explore more around fields. I like Eger Bever but 1800p is just LOL not right for that place. Plenty of better talent on Fields for that price. Don't get me wrong both of them are not bad but you may want to do a bit more exploring seems like you are picking up the first ok looking chick. Have a great time there and keep up the reports

[Member #4698]

AC has stunners too. Depends on what you like and consider a stunner maybe you are not looking at the right bars for you. I don't disagree about Manila, BKK and Macau but Cebu? I find the best cebuana bar girls working in AC. Cebu bars have nothing to offer compared to AC. Yes non bar scene in Cebu is good much better then AC but as far as pay 4 play goes AC has it better and far more of it. Manila YES there is better quality of girls there then AC but this I think is mainly due to the upbringing you will find more cultured, better english speaking girls in Makati then the province girls you find in AC. Same can be said if you compare BKK vs Patt. Macau is another level but price there is not even comparable to AC so no point comparing.I never said AC does not have stunners. It does for sure, but they are rare and I have to admit that I have never bar fined an AC stunner. Which bars have stunners would make an excellent topic. I have found a couple 9*s in Golden Nile and Blue Nile Executive, Club Asia, and the big boys; Dolls House and Atlantis but for some reason or another I never could connect with them. I remember the first couple nights of my first trip to AC, when I hunted exclusively for the really hot girls; my results were not too good. Looking back, I am still not sure what the problem was, but when I recalibrated my target on the third night, I met with great success and that's the way it has been for me ever since. I now search AC almost exclusively for the nice looking, friendly, girl next door types and I am very satisfied with the results.

When I included Cebu in my list of destinations with stunners, I was specifically thinking of the lineup at Arena. Last time I was there in March, I was very impressed with the number of girls and the respectable percentage of real lookers at that nightclub. I can't put my finger on what the difference was (probably ethnic) , but the Arena girls looked different than the girls at AF1 or Pegasus in Manila, but still very attractive.

You are right that Macau is not comparable to AC in price and I also think in terms of quality. The Chinese super models in the top Saunas go for $200 to $275 for ST and a healthy number of them are really beautiful. On another level, Filipinas FL's hanging out in Macau bars like MP3 want $100 or more for LT and most of them are not very attractive at all, IMHO. But a stunner in AF1, Pegasus, or Arena is going to cost a huge sum. You can't walk out of Arena for example with a really hot girl for under 8000p. And the cost is higher at AF1 and Pegasus, so these joints with arguably the best looking P4P girls in the PI are comparable to Macau Saunas in terms of price and quality. MBC and FL's aside, Manila can be a very high priced place to play the game.

Once you make friends with a high priced girl from one of these nightclubs, you can easily make arrangements to see her again for a lot less $$$ and cut out the club. That's what I did with my little spinner I met at Arena. After the initial big barfine night (BF was 6000p) , I gave her around 2000p in gifts and money for our afternoon trysts. She was a real nice and very good looking girl. I am still in YahooM with her and plan to see her again sometime. Arena keeps a large chunk of her earnings and she was living in a dormitory with a bunch of other girls. She was eager to come with me to Palawan, but I was not sure at the time since I had only known her for a few days, so I left her in Cebu City. Next time, if all goes well, I might just take her to some beach.

Getting back to my original post, I am happy to accept AC for what it is and to have a real good time with the friendly, nice looking, but not spectacular girl next door type bar girls there. I go to Macau for the Chinese stunners (visa cards readily accepted) , to BKK for the variety including stunners (and because I love Thai girls) , and to Manila for better looking and very friendly English speaking Filipina girls.

I am going to be back in the big three: Macau, MNL, and BKK in less than 90 days. Unfortunately I will not be stopping by AC on this trip, but my itinerary includes Jakarta and Batam for the first time. It should be a real good trip. I will be spending 3 nights in Malate on the way in and 3 nights in Makati on the way out.

[Member #4351]

She wound up being an hour and half late for her shift and Mamasan fined her 800 pesos, which I thought was pretty fucked up.Yes, very fucked up. You of course gave her the 800 pesos, right?

[Member #4698]

I brought out the vibrators and just like Gina, she voiced hesitation until she felt one up against her clit. Then I thought I was going to have to pry it away from her. We played for a few hours and then drifted off to sleep.
I pulled the vibrators out and she loved them.
Expecta, one of the most interesting and funny part of your reports has been how you introduced the vibrator to a couple of your girls and won them over on the its merits. Great stuff! It sounds like you had a great time. Maybe you should change your name to Paladin.

[Sky Ryder]

Expecta, one of the most interesting and funny part of your reports has been how you introduced the vibrator to a couple of your girls and won them over on the its merits. Great stuff! It sounds like you had a great time. Maybe you should change your name to Paladin.And I thought I was the only one on here old enough to remember that "Have Gun Will Travel" reference! Still one of the best intro's ever!

It is amazing how many of the girls that have never really explored the merits of "electronic" stimulation become a big fan once they are introduced! I get great pleasure from the look in their eyes when the realization of how a well placed vibration tool makes my "male member" so much more entertaining.

Or how much more enthusiastic their oral technique becomes when their clit is being "massaged" at a very favorable frequency!

[WestCoast1]

And I thought I was the only one on here old enough to remember that "Have Gun Will Travel" reference! Still one of the best intro's ever!

It is amazing how many of the girls that have never really explored the merits of "electronic" stimulation become a big fan once they are introduced! I get great pleasure from the look in their eyes when the realization of how a well placed vibration tool makes my "male member" so much more entertaining.

Or how much more enthusiastic their oral technique becomes when their clit is being "massaged" at a very favorable frequency!I forgot my hitachi wand vibrator at home. You've seen them in bed / bath / beyond and such, the kind that has a large ball on a long wand / arm. Its designed for you massage your own shoulders and back. It will vibrate the teeth out of your head. On my last trip, I used it on about a dozen girls, and 5 of them became quite embued with the thing (the other girls think its a worthless gimmick). On my recent trip, the 5 I re-sessioned with were quite disappointed that I forgot it at home. Two of them brought a friend along, unannounced, to try the thing out.

Oh, stupid me.

[Member #4351]

Just don't make the mistake of giving one as a gift (especially a pocket rocket). W. R. Has made a habit of doing this leaving a swath of girls in Cebu in his wake who no longer want to get laid and if they are with a guy, need a vibrator to get off.

[Frenzy3]

Infinity is another place for stunners, and the good old pump 1, which is just a pick up joint. Most of the stunners get bar fined pretty quick, so you do need to bar hop, you see some of the best girls with guests and you can go back early the next day.

Mc don you need to visit Cebu more, I have met guys who visit Cebu after AC and like what they see here, I find that the Cebu girls who go to AC are the ones who get banned from the bars and are not the number 1 girls they make too much money to do stupid stuff.

[Mc Don]

Infinity is another place for stunners, and the good old pump 1, which is just a pick up joint. Most of the stunners get bar fined pretty quick, so you do need to bar hop, you see some of the best girls with guests and you can go back early the next day.

Mc don you need to visit Cebu more, I have met guys who visit Cebu after AC and like what they see here, I find that the Cebu girls who go to AC are the ones who get banned from the bars and are not the number 1 girls they make too much money to do stupid stuff.F3 I don't want to turn this into AC vs Cebu tread. You seem to take it personal everytime someone says something even a littlebit negative about cebu. Cebu is a great city for non pay for play, good if you can spend couple of weeks and pick up in the malls or the discos. I get around cebu 2-3 times a year (business related) and usually only spend 2-4 days at a time so I don't have the time to do all that. When I retire I will probably join you in Cebu as I see it as a great city to live and monger providing you have time at your disposal

I am not saying Cebu doesn't have stunners but IMO pay for play AC has the edge. Yes there are few bars in Cebu that have great looking girls but overall the p4p scene in cebu is small. Also the premium places come at a cost of 4 girl in AC for one from Arena. Sorry but I will look around, spend an extra half hour going through few bars and I will find equally good looking or maybe slightly worse BUT take the 4 in AC then the one from Arena. In AC there are bars like that too but they are far from fields or perimeter and like in cebu they cater for the asian not the westerners visitors. Thats why there is not much writen about them. There are places with naked pole dancing too, once again not much here on those places because most tourists never bother past the Mc Donalds on fields. AC also the most FHM girlfriend of the month and second class models that do pay for play. Its harder getting to them and they won't touch you in AC but with the right contacts you can get a a girl from a mag or tv show to accompany you on your beach vacation. I spent 3 nights in Boracay last month with one of them at a cost of 15000 peso plus expenses (total cost was around 20K or so).

[Mc Don]

Just don't make the mistake of giving one as a gift (especially a pocket rocket). W. R. Has made a habit of doing this leaving a swath of girls in Cebu in his wake who no longer want to get laid and if they are with a guy, need a vibrator to get off.LOL, HOW TRUE is this. I know few girls that now only play with toys or carry them in their bags even when they are out with dates let alone clients. I have a bag of toys in phils but never give the gift that keeps giving LOL. Chocolates and **** wear is all they get from me

[Frenzy3]

F3 I don't want to turn this into AC vs Cebu tread. You seem to take it personal everytime someone says something even a littlebit negative about cebu.Nothing personal just my poor English due to my lack of education, I just wanted to give out a few places I have found 10's, I would stress that Cebu does need more time than AC. I never made it to AC as I never run out of hot girls who need money here. But I get plenty of guys who come from AC and catch up with me.

[Mc Don]

I never said AC does not have stunners. It does for sure, but they are rare and I have to admit that I have never bar fined an AC stunner. Which bars have stunners would make an excellent topic. I have found a couple 9*s in Golden Nile and Blue Nile Executive, Club Asia, and the big boys; Dolls House and Atlantis but for some reason or another I never could connect with them. I remember the first couple nights of my first trip to AC, when I hunted exclusively for the really hot girls; my results were not too good. Looking back, I am still not sure what the problem was, but when I recalibrated my target on the third night, I met with great success and that's the way it has been for me ever since. I now search AC almost exclusively for the nice looking, friendly, girl next door types and I am very satisfied with the results.Not a bad way to go I do that at times too, I just change and go for something else. Having said that you gave up after 2 nights where I assume you got some good sex anyway but failed to conect? Maybe you should try again keep in mind many of those girls are simple now that you have more AC experiance I am sure you conect much easyer.


When I included Cebu in my list of destinations with stunners, I was specifically thinking of the lineup at Arena. Last time I was there in March, I was very impressed with the number of girls and the respectable percentage of real lookers at that nightclub. I can't put my finger on what the difference was (probably ethnic) , but the Arena girls looked different than the girls at AF1 or Pegasus in Manila, but still very attractive.Yes cebuanas are different, darker, I guess depends on what you like. Problem with AC is that there are so many bars and quality is spread out from one place to another. Next time you are in AC you may want to check out Dunk Shot Music Lounge near Diamond Subdivision. It has what you like, Chinese type. White, tall, boobs.


I am going to be back in the big three: Macau, MNL, and BKK in less than 90 days. Unfortunately I will not be stopping by AC on this trip, but my itinerary includes Jakarta and Batam for the first time. It should be a real good trip. I will be spending 3 nights in Malate on the way in and 3 nights in Makati on the way out.Jakarta is FUN but make sure you research it. Read the forum. Many things to see there just don't get stuck in trafic. Spend the money stay near the action. You may want to move around like makati / malate if you are going to stay longer. Batam is fun too. Should be a top trip

[Wicked Roger]

Just don't make the mistake of giving one as a gift (especially a pocket rocket). W. R. Has made a habit of doing this leaving a swath of girls in Cebu in his wake who no longer want to get laid and if they are with a guy, need a vibrator to get off.Who me? LOL.

The girls who get them are those that like to play and use when WR is not there. But I do like to see them play with it as well as this is a kind of 'normal' foreplay :) I even have given a strap on to my bisexual friends, the result of which I get even more fun times than others.

David. I will also make sure with the pocket rocket they are fully and freshly shaved. LOL