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Doppel One
12-02-12, 16:45
Well, that's exactly the problem. They charge for checked bags. That combined with a 15% lost luggage rate makes people want to carry everything on.15% lost luggage rate? LOL.
I regularly travel on the budget arilines with 20K of checked baggage and I rarely get charged more than $15-20 per sector. From Clark that's generally for a 3 hour flight to BKK. So what's the big deal? Do you honestly expect the budget airlines to allow you to travel for free because you're a monger of outstanding pedigree?
Member #4410
12-02-12, 19:19
I'd love to hear the voice recording of that flight.Not too much panic. The engines failed after ingesting a large amount of ash, turning the 747 into the worlds biggest glider.
After a considerable amount of time the pilots managed to relight two engines, allowing the plane to make a "normal" landing. Shows you what all those hours of training are good for. The engines were a write-off and the plane needed a paint job after the free grit blasting.
Regards,
Ko
Llantarnam
12-02-12, 20:36
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1355919]Notice I said EAST Asian airlines. Malaysia is another shit piece. Japan and Korea take up a big chunk of the top 10 airline lists every year for a reason. QUOTE]
I don't know how your geographical split is working if you include Singapore but not Malaysia? (and the last time I looked at Skytrax Malaysia was 5 star rated). Did it ever occur to you that if you're having an issue with all these airlines the problem is with you?
PS I am behind you all the way with Ryanair. They are truely sh*t
Llantarnam
12-02-12, 20:40
Wow, you seem to have a lot of hate in you. Have you tried meditation? Have you tried sedatives? Do you have any restraining orders?The answer to your 3 questions is No, No and No. I'm just a regular Jo who gets frustrated when other people think they can ignore the rules when it suits them.
Please note that I am arriving in AC on an Air Asia flight on 22nd March, so keep those overhead lockers clear.
Streetlooker
12-02-12, 21:28
The answer to your 3 questions is No, No and No. I'm just a regular Jo who gets frustrated when other people think they can ignore the rules when it suits them.
Please note that I am arriving in AC on an Air Asia flight on 22nd March, so keep those overhead lockers clear.Put me in the line with the frustration over rule benders. 1st Its the airlines fault cause what they need to do is tell these scum bags flat out the rule applies to them also and if you don; t like it we will put you off the plane and also tell them to their face your a selfish bastard who is pissing the fuck out of us and all the other passengers behind your sorry ass waiting to check in and if you don; t get your shit together quickly the passengers behind you are going to beat the shit out of your sorry ass right here and now in the check in line. I would like to also rant about fat ass people who need to buy 2 freaking seats. Lose weight you fat ass smelly bastards OR BUY 2 SEATS and stop flowing into my small space. We will now resume normal programing
Member #4387
12-02-12, 22:29
I'd love to hear the voice recording of that flight.This incident was subject to one hour documentary on Nathional Geographic Channel some years ago. I don't bother to try look it up for you. It is called: Airline Disasters or Aircraft Investigations. You could atleast hear some of the original communication between pilot and ATC.
15% lost luggage rate? LOL.Look it up chief. Some are really up that high.
I remember I was working on a project involving the financial losses this was causing back in 2009. There was an airline we were looking at, Atlantic Southeast, that had a 10% LIFETIME loss rate. 1 out of every 10 bags checked! And this was even low because they had been "improving" over the last two years of their existence!
I regularly travel on the budget arilines with 20K of checked baggage and I rarely get charged more than $15-20 per sector. From Clark that's generally for a 3 hour flight to BKK. So what's the big deal? Do you honestly expect the budget airlines to allow you to travel for free because you're a monger of outstanding pedigree?No, I expect them to be shit. Just like the bus is shit for people who can't afford better. Which is why I don't fly with them, like I said.
You get what you pay for.
I'm just a regular Jo who gets frustrated when other people think they can ignore the rules when it suits them.You better stay away from lines at pharmacies in the Philippines then. You'll really shit a brick when the 15 or 16th person tries to cut ahead of you in a 3 minute period. LOL.
Garry Smith
12-03-12, 08:21
Meet you guy at 13/12/2012.
Meet you guy at 13/12/2012.Do you meet up with these gyus when you get to AC?
airline disasters or aircraft investigations.not quite. it's aircrash investigation and it was speedbird 9 of british airways above java on the way to australia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/british_airways_flight_9
and.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz478b9y-4
sorry for ot.
cheers!
not quite. it's aircrash investigation and it was speedbird 9 of british airways above java on the way to australia.really don't want to watch these kinds of shows just before i fly to manila.
I'm going fist time to Philippines starting from AC. Could you be so kind and make short summary of it, or maybe you know where to find it? I know RTFF, but there is a lot discussion here not related to mongering directly.
I know Bangkok scene so I would be most grateful for some info about:
• Is it the same schema as in Bangkok bars (bar fine) , massages (all included) , and freelancers?
• Where to look for massages and freelancers? What are the action places?
• Are there any must to see massages as for example Tulip or Annie's in Bangkok or can you recommend any?
• What is the average price for ST / LT for freelancers and 2 hour price for all included massage?
• Are there others places on Luzon that you can recommend for mongering?
I would be most grateful for any information.
Cheers
Llantarnam
12-03-12, 18:52
You better stay away from lines at pharmacies in the Philippines then. You'll really shit a brick when the 15 or 16th person tries to cut ahead of you in a 3 minute period. LOL.Did I mention that I hate standing in queue's?
I've spent several years working in third world countries so I am well trained in the art of queue jumping
I recently spent some time in Angeles and flew back to the states via Taiwan. I guess the limit for bringing home liquor is 2 liters, but I bought 3.
No problem at USA customs. Just be honest on your form and with your verbal answers to any agent. I think they have bigger concerns. Significant savings I might add.
Sorry for these late reports. After AC I went to China for about 3 weeks and had bad internet connections. Didn't know whether it was my laptop or the PRC censorship. I was there during the PRC National Congress and the government was very uptight. If you are interested, see my very short reports in the Beijing and Shanghai threads in a few days.
This is the first of four reports of my time in AC.
I arrived in AC on Nov. 1,2012 and checked into the Brass Knob for their 1000p / night room. It was very bad. The shower was literally trickling drops of water. After 1 hour the a / see was still not cooling. So I asked for another room. I was told that the other room available was just as bad and I have to upgrade to a deluxe room for 1300p which I did. The room was better but still very old and not very clean. I paid for 2 nights. I walked around Fields the first night but did not get any girl as I was still recovering from coughing and the fatigue of traveling.
On the second day, I went to SM Clark for an early lunch at Cabalen Buffet at around 10:30 AM. I was the first customer. It was great as everything was fresh and hot, especially the lechon skin. The all-you-can-eat buffet was only 298p. That night I visited several bars before stopping in Alaska, my favorite bar in AC. I like it very much for several reasons: the owner Jerry is nice & friendly, walks around greeting the customers. The music selection is great and not blaringly loud. The most important reason is I have never bar-fined a girl from Alaska that's disappointing. I always had a great time with them.
Well, this time was no different. After about 30 minutes of watching the dancers (good rule: always wait until the dancers change shift to see the whole selection. You can tell a lot from observing them dancing, if they look bored, if they smile, if they make eye contact, etc.) , I chose Daizy. I bought her a drink and we chatted a little bit. I asked the basic questions: BJ? Stay until 10 AM? She was okay with everything so I paid the BF which was 1860p for a bottle of some weird local brew which I did not take. As we left Alaska, I asked her if she was hungry. She said no, she ate before starting work at 6 PM. So we went straight to my room although it was only about 8:00 PM. We sat on the bed and chatted for quite a bit. I had vodka and coke in my room and gave her a drink. Slowly we started touching which led to kissing and necking. I started caressing her beautiful breasts. She pulled down her top exposing her beautiful nipples and I sucked them. Soon she started moaning and told me she was getting horny. I told her we can start and she went to shower. She gave me a good and long BBBJ and we had about four hours of sex and rest, sex and rest (with help from Viagra of course).
Next morning we had another session. As I planned to change hotel to Loretta's Apartelle, I packed and we both left around 11 AM. As we got to the corner where I have to turn right to Loretta's (about 1 block before Alaska) , Daizy asked if she can leave and go to Alaska to get her money. I said yes and told her I will BF her again tomorrow night. She gave me a kiss and left. I did not realize that I forgot to give her a tip until I checked into Loretta's. So she was not expecting a tip at all. I will give her double-tip when I see her again.
Loretta's turned out to be a great hotel, clean, spacious, great a / see, huge refrigerator, even a kitchenette and back balcony. It was very close to the action. The owners and staff were also very nice. I will definitely stay here again. I paid 1500p for a deluxe room as they were out of standard rooms.
WestCoast1
12-04-12, 03:30
That night I visited several bars before stopping in Alaska, my favorite bar in AC. I like it very much for several reasons: the owner Jerry is nice & friendly, walks around greeting the customers. The music selection is great and not blaringly loud. The most important reason is I have never bar-fined a girl from Alaska that's disappointing. I always had a great time with them.Great first report. I like Alaska a lot also. The owner will tell you anything you want to know about any girl. Tell him what you're looking for.
SMH. Guys talk about tipping after paying 1800 PHP barfines and people wonder why the prices have doubled.
I've flown Air Asia several times recently between Davao and Clark, and found the experience totally hassle free. Each time I had a carry-on suitcase plus a smaller briefcase with my computer, and never once got asked to weigh anything. In fact, given that I printed out my boarding passes at home and prior to the flights, I never even spoke to the desk agents, and went directly to the gate. The planes were clean, the flights well managed and inexpensive, and I'll take this airline over PAL or Cebu Pacific any day of the week.
GEI"ll second that.
I"ve done with them about 50 legs so far with no problem. Only once the flight from Shenzhen to Bangkok was delayed about an hour due to late arrival of the incoming flight.
I book with them quite early thus getting great discounts and book my seat, food and baggage 2-3 days ahead of my flights when I am certain that I"ll fly.
I also flew cebupacificair, tiger and jet star with no problems.
Mind that I was in the airline business for 30 years.
not quite. it's aircrash investigation and it was speedbird 9 of british airways above java on the way to australia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/british_airways_flight_9
and.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz478b9y-4
sorry for ot.
cheers!since then they introduced a simulator exercise where the instructor will cut all engines when cruising.
the one pilot will fly, or rather glide, the airplane while the other will try to relight one engine at least. usually done at about 10. 000 feet descending.
Okay, I am getting some flak about tipping via my PM. I know I don't have to tip. I generally don't unless I get someone I really like and treats me super special, then I will tip her. Yes, I also get her mobile and get her to come to me before or after her work.
If the BF is 1800p, the girl only gets 800p which US$20. If she gives me four hours of fun at night and more the next morning, what's wrong with giving her another $10? It probably makes her think that reward comes with good work and some of you probably will get great service from her thanks to my generosity!
I usually keep contact with these girls. Sometimes I will let one or two of them know when I am returning. She will take 'vacation' and hook up with me for 2 or 3 days or more. This is not only in the Philippines. I also have such girls in Thailand, Indonesia and Mexico.
We read all over the threads about how difficult it is to get great satisfaction from these girls but when we get a super-good one, we are expected to treat her and pay her like the other bad ones. WTF?
I also like to tip housekeeping girls / women and waiters / waitresses if they are exceptionally hard working and nice to me. In Asia most of the time they never expect it but I know that I put a smile in their faces and happiness in their hearts. It's only a few dollars which I can easily afford, yet to these people, it's a lot.
Sorry buddy, the American cultural shit about tipping is about helpful to the rest of the world as McDonald's and gang banging. Leave it at home please.
Sorry buddy, the American cultural shit about tipping is about helpful to the rest of the world as McDonald's and gang banging. Leave it at home please.I can second a tip meant as a real tip (small change) or reward (for something) or nice gesture (ie reward). I can't stand (outside of USA) the habit of tipping based on a % as a must. Especially when bills do have "service" included. This habit tricks also on prices (just as some airlines do) showing an unrealistic price as then you have to add those 15% service charges.
On principle if I go to a restaurant (and not to a food shop) why should I tip the waiter (and, as part of the chain, the maitre, the chef etc)? If I enter a train or a plane with a paid ticket, I am not going to tip the conductor, the train driver, the pilot, the flight assistants. If I enter a shop to buy goods, I am not tipping the shop assistant.
Asians are not used to tips (unless spoiled by us westerners) and a japanese hotel porter will be kind of "horrified" if you give him a tip for bringing your suitcases in the room: he is already getting a salary for that job.
Llantarnam
12-04-12, 18:47
[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1356655]I can second a tip meant as a real tip (small change) or reward (for something) or nice gesture (ie reward). I can't stand (outside of USA) the habit of tipping based on a % as a must. /QUOTE]I'm with you on this one. Small tip for great service, but should be the exception not the rule.
I recall somebody recounting a story about a visit to a restaurant (in US I believe). After they paid the bill and were walking down the street the waiter chased after them yelling out "sir, you forgot to tip me"
WestCoast1
12-05-12, 03:28
I recall somebody recounting a story about a visit to a restaurant (in US I believe). After they paid the bill and were walking down the street the waiter chased after them yelling out "sir, you forgot to tip me"In a number of bars in Tijuana, the waiters routinely rip off the gringos (just because they are gringos). Waiters / waitresses usually carry the drinks on a platter (about 18" in diameter). They bring your drink and your change on the platter. After placing the drink on your table, he / she will hold the platter down so you can see it and take your change. When you take your change, you expect the waiter to disappear into the woodwork and let you enjoy your drink. You don't tip until you leave, right? He / she will stand there and hold the platter low, and if you do nothing, he / she will finally say: "My tip please." Most guys will toss some quarters or a dollar on the platter just to get rid of the annoying waiter. If you order another drink, they will do the same thing. Its disgusting behaviour. You begin to see how the result of westernized ideas like tipping can get out of hand when introduced elsewhere.
Its not only the tipping problem that raises rates in AC. Barhopping and buying LD's has a similar effect. As barowners see more money being thrown around, they raise barfine and LD prices.
Maybe soon these sex-depraved noobies will get AC up to Pattaya Walking Street level, complete with $20 lapdances and dancers who don't barfine. Good work fellows!
I recall somebody recounting a story about a visit to a restaurant (in US I believe). After they paid the bill and were walking down the street the waiter chased after them yelling out "sir, you forgot to tip me"Trouble is that in USA the tip for waiters at restaurants and bars is the major stake of their salaries. They get paid little, in general, as the establishment guarantees their income with the tips, ie the service charge. But why then having to pay high menu prices for the steak?
Doppel One
12-05-12, 06:03
Last month I saw far less excessive money venting in AC than on previous trips. In just under two months I didn't see a single soul 'ring the bell' and I only experienced people showering the girls with 20 piso notes in the big Korean oriented bars such as Atlantis and Baby Dolls. I took it as a sign of the times and perhaps even the Koreans are thinking twice before pointlessly disgorging themselves of 2/4000 to buy a line of dancers some dubious looking liquor and a rousing chorus of 'cheers'. I could of course be wrong and people are still liberally throwing money around but perhaps I was in the wrong bars at the wrong times to see it. The one thing I did witness occasionally was the rather sad spectacle of mamasans hurling a fist full of loose change onto the stage and the ensuing brawl as the girls fought it out to get their hands on the measly 5 (and sometimes 1) piso coins. A sight worth remembering when you're weighing up how much to tip your girl in the morning.
On the third day on Nov. 3, again I went to SM Clark for lunch. This time I tried the Mang Inasal roast chicken which was good but not filling. So I went to the food court and ate some more. That night I ventured out at about 7 PM. I went into several bars but did not find anything I liked. I ended in a bar a few doors east of Alaska (I totally forgot the name). None of the dancers caught my eye. As I was sitting and sipping my beer, my waitress Vidan started to massage my back. She was good. She kept massaging for about 20-30 minutes. I whispered to her if she preferred an LD or tip. She whispered back 'tip' and gave me a big smile. She was not very pretty although not ugly, in her late 20s and looked to have a decent figure. Finally after about an hour plus of great massage and not seeing anything better, I 'negotiated' and BF her for 1800p. As we left at about 11:30 PM, I asked her if she was hungry. She said yes so I took her to Jollibee. While ordering, we met her two younger sisters who were also in the business at another bar and had finished their shift at 11 PM. The youngest was very hot. I paid for their order and somehow they all decided to go to my room to eat. After eating, the sister hung around and I took photos of them together. Luckily only the youngest sister had email which I promised to send the photos. I will contact her the next time I am in AC. After the sisters left, she showered, gave me a so-so CBJ, then so-so FS, no GFE at all. All that massage tlc earlier in the bar had vanished. The next morning I asked her to give me a CBJ, then HJ. I had lost interest in banging her. When she was leaving, she asked for a tip. I said NO. She left without complaining. Looked like this happened to her in the past.
You'll have to wait until next week for Report #3 and #4. I am going to Laredo tomorrow to visit a monger friend who is very sick and in the hospital. Seems like Nuevo Laredo has cooled down from the violence, so I may cross the border for some recreation.
As I was sitting and sipping my beer, my waitress Vidan started to massage my back. She was good. She kept massaging for about 20-30 minutes. I whispered to her if she preferred an LD or tip. She whispered back 'tip' and gave me a big smile.What does LD mean please? It's not in the Abbreviations page.
Thanks
Trouble is that in USA the tip for waiters at restaurants and bars is the major stake of their salaries. They get paid little, in general, as the establishment guarantees their income with the tips, ie the service charge. But why then having to pay high menu prices for the steak?America is different. The place needs universal labor laws. The trend looks to be going in the opposite direction however. So, until then (if it ever happens) you absolutely MUST tip 15-25% at any restaurant in the USA unless you are a complete and total piece of shit. People who make $2. 15 an hour with no benefits and pay $1200 a month rent absolutely need tips.
America is different. The place needs universal labor laws. The trend looks to be going in the opposite direction however. So, until then (if it ever happens) you absolutely MUST tip 15-25% at any restaurant in the USA unless you are a complete and total piece of shit. People who make $2. 15 an hour with no benefits and pay $1200 a month rent absolutely need tips.What's minimum wage now days? $7? $8? I feel waiters / waitress shouldn't make more then 80-90% professions. It's insane when a waiter is making more then $15 an hour including tips which they probably don't report to the IRS. If you got an issue with this, why not go to school, finish a degree in something useful and actually find a good job that doesn't rely on tips?
In fact, now that I think about it. I'm done tipping! LOL.
YG
America is different. The place needs universal labor laws. The trend looks to be going in the opposite direction however. So, until then (if it ever happens) you absolutely MUST tip 15-25% at any restaurant in the USA unless you are a complete and total piece of shit. People who make $2. 15 an hour with no benefits and pay $1200 a month rent absolutely need tips.Philippines is the same, needs decent labor laws. Filipino waitresses who earn a pittance, with no benefits, no sick pay, no holiday pay and have to pay rent etc, deserve a tip.
I happen to agree with you, Funman. This is a fundamental motivation technique: one gets what one rewards. Of course this only applies to people who exceed expectations, in my opinion. I happen to have high expectations so when I see it or see them exceeded I certainly want to show my appreciation. If not I certainly can be a cheap charlie, too.
Regards
Okay, I am getting some flak about tipping via my PM. I also like to tip housekeeping girls / women and waiters / waitresses if they are exceptionally hard working and nice to me. In Asia most of the time they never expect it but I know that I put a smile in their faces and happiness in their hearts. It's only a few dollars which I can easily afford, yet to these people, it's a lot.
What does LD mean please? It's not in the Abbreviations page.
ThanksIt means lady drink.
LeknomForMe
12-05-12, 15:47
In addition to carry on bag, size and weight restricted IATA, and duty free plastic bag, your entitled to carry on a laptop, and camera, and a book to read. Before you were allowed to take a fold up umbrella in your carry on. No longer allowed, you might be a terrorist LOL. So baggage allowance is quite generous and yes airlines are struggling, so we should not make their job more difficult, otherwise they might be forced to increase the base fares. My gripe is, why are others allowed to take check-in sized / weighted bags as carry on, when IATA and therefore myself, are not allowed to. Yep, those overhead lockers are a danger when there is turbulence or an accident. Forcing check in sized, weighted, bags into those lockers is just wrong. Poor hosties they struggle at times.
Same rule for everyone and I would be happy.I agree and would also like to put this all into perspective.
Tickets are cheap, staying there is cheap, fucking there is ludicrously cheap, eating there is cheap, why do we also have to be cheap? Please explain this to me because I'm trying to understand this nickle and dime attitude.
First of all check the damn extra bag and pay the $25. 00 its damn cheap airfreight and lets the already struggling airlines make a few more dollars. We need them as much as they need us and if they arent making money they just go away and the ticket prices of the now competition free airlines just go up more then the extra bag cost.
Sorry for the rant but just saying.
Happy cheap pooning. Leknomforme
What's minimum wage now days? $7? $8? I feel waiters / waitress shouldn't make more then 80-90% professions. It's insane when a waiter is making more then $15 an hour including tips which they probably don't report to the IRS. If you got an issue with this, why not go to school, finish a degree in something useful and actually find a good job that doesn't rely on tips?
In fact, now that I think about it. I'm done tipping! LOL.
YGIt depends on the state. Some states have wait staff make minimum wage (some of these states have a higher state minimum) and tips, other states they make less than minimum wage with the expectation that with tips you will get AT LEAST to minimum wage and if you can prove that you did not get there the resturant will need to pay you the difference between minimum wage and what you "earned".
And yes some wait staff at very high end resturants in the US can make a very good living, probably better than a lot of us.
Zackary Kr
12-05-12, 18:03
Last month I saw far less excessive money venting in AC than on previous trips. In just under two months I didn't see a single soul 'ring the bell' and I only experienced people showering the girls with 20 piso notes in the big Korean oriented bars such as Atlantis and Baby Dolls. I took it as a sign of the times and perhaps even the Koreans are thinking twice before pointlessly disgorging themselves of 2/4000 to buy a line of dancers some dubious looking liquor and a rousing chorus of 'cheers'. II was there for a period of about 4 weeks total in the past 2 months. I just wanted to say that I think you probably just missed seeing the big spenders. On at least three occasions, I saw guys who had specifically asked for buckets of balls to be brought to their table at 300-400 pesos per bucket. This one guy had like 10 buckets surrounding his table. He would occasionally dump one every couple of minutes while the girls stopped dancing and eagerly eyed him while they chanted,"More, more, more." (or something to that effect). I also saw punters throwing bills onto the stage on a couple of occasions as well, and guys who bought a table full of waitresses lady-drinks. However, on a side note, I saw fewer guys ringing the bell. But overall, I personally didn't feel that visitors to AC were becoming more tight-fisted in parting with their cash.
Just to let you in on the real scoop. There is a minumum wage in US it does not include waitresses and those type of work opportunities. They gets tips so they lower the wage rate. Most waitresses and others like it get around 3. 00 an hour for their salary. If you don't want to tip don't do it. I can't believe someone is discussing a tip before service is rendered. But I am sure there are some.
Easy Breezy with an arrival in Manila via Eva Air flight that was about 1/4 full, facilitating stretched-across-4-seats snoozing. Encountered none of the problems re carry-on that have been discussed here and saw many people with carry-ons slightly smaller than steamer trunks. Although I did not have an on-going or return flight, encountered no problem with immigration although check-in with Eva Air asked about it. My work around was a reply that I had an ongoing flight that I had not yet printed.
Slid through Manila terminal like shit through a goose and tapped an ATM located left of the customs exit. Was met by an Angeles City / Margaritaville pre-arranged driver who had cold beer and helped me secure a SIM card at a 7/11 stop enroute. At 2600 pesos, was more expensive than bus and other public transport but worth it to me for a hassle free arrival.
Arrived Angeles after a 2 hour and 3 beer trip to check into DM Residente hotel. Had queried here for info previously and received mixed reviews. Personally, have found it to be acceptable as a basic place to shit / shower / shave and shag. I had also questioned the board re hotel provided massage with extras but did not use this service. On the 5 minute walk to Fields / Walking Street I saw numerous massage places but did not enter any. Instead, I wandered Fields, had a bite to eat, surveyed talent at a couple joints and hit a grocery store to stock my refrigerator. On walk back to hotel, an 80 pound munchkin offered suck / fuck for 500P S / T. Couldn't resist the bargain that stretched into 2 days of intermittent bag draining and me catching up on sleep to reset my internal clock. Total damages for the munchkin=2k P plus offer to accompany me on a planned jaunt to N Luzon.
ThatGuy865
12-06-12, 02:39
Don't worry Tippers are here to stay. And will always be here.
I tip. I tip the waitress. No less than 40p a $1 USD. A 100p if paying for more than 2 drinks.
Every girl that comes to my room leaves with a tip from 200 to 1000 and ALWAYS 100p for trike fare. So they don't have to brake into the tip money for trike fare.
I buy LD's and love to have minimum 3 girls around the table when I drink. 2 massaging each side and 1 for beauty and leads the conversation / laughs.
In the past, I was a bit more conservative with my money. But as time has passed, my attitude has changed.
I look at it like this. There are very few things I fly around the world to another country to specifically do. Therefore I have to rate the Pleasure accordingly.
There is NOTHING that I fly out of the country to do that is as inexpensive on a hour by hour basis. 2000p BF, over night about 10 hrs. Means 200p an hr. So you are getting a woman to please youatroughly $5 USD an hour.
I don't know another place in the WORLD A man can go and spend the ENTIRE Night with a 18 to 20's yr old ENGLISH Speaking woman. For under $100 USD. Sure you can find the OCCASIONAL girl that might speak a tiny bit of english in some other places. But. Not an abundance like the PI
Therefore in my opinion. If I pay 1800 to 2000p for a BF. If she stays the night and I bust even one nut period. Any kind of way, under any circumstances. She deserves a tip. Starting at 200 and the amount goes up from there based upon going above and beyond that.
Secondly. I find that I have no problem with girls. Wanting to leave, trying to leave, asking to leave. More often my biggest problem is getting them to leave.
And of course I get the royal treatment once I step back in the bar.
Now it may not be your style but its mine. And Fuck if I care if the prices go up. I'm making memories now. Things always change.
This game is about Living for today. Let tomorrow take care of itself.
What's minimum wage now days? $7? $8? I feel waiters / waitress shouldn't make more then 80-90% professions. It's insane when a waiter is making more then $15 an hour including tips which they probably don't report to the IRS. If you got an issue with this, why not go to school, finish a degree in something useful and actually find a good job that doesn't rely on tips?
In fact, now that I think about it. I'm done tipping! LOL.
YGWait staff does perform a useful service, much more than say speculators and other assorted financial parasites who "went to school." If you don't think so, maybe you'll go to the kitchen and get your own food next time you're in a restaurant.
$13 an hour part time work is less than a living wage (minimum is $15) in the United States, and probably 90% of wait staff across the country makes less than that.
I agree and would also like to put this all into perspective.
Tickets are cheap, staying there is cheap, fucking there is ludicrously cheap, eating there is cheap, why do we also have to be cheap? Please explain this to me because I'm trying to understand this nickle and dime attitude.
First of all check the damn extra bag and pay the $25. 00 its damn cheap airfreight and lets the already struggling airlines make a few more dollars. We need them as much as they need us and if they arent making money they just go away and the ticket prices of the now competition free airlines just go up more then the extra bag cost.
Sorry for the rant but just saying.
Happy cheap pooning. LeknomformeRates are artificial inflated by 5 day millionaires who never come back. That's the problem.
And no, I don't think tickets are cheap. What used to cost $700 from the Eastern US to Manila is now more like 1500 most times. Hotels either. $25-30 for absolute dumps and $100 for places like Lewis Grand that would probably cost half that in a similar area in the US. Don't get me started on 500 meter $3 trike rides.
But yea, keep saving up all year so you can waste a ton of money for one week. Seems like a logical plan and has the added benefit of making prices go up for regular visitors.
Member #4698
12-06-12, 05:58
I find that I have no problem with girls. Wanting to leave, trying to leave, asking to leave. More often my biggest problem is getting them to leave.
And of course I get the royal treatment once I step back in the bar.Well said. Although we have all seen some guys that are just foolish and ostentatious with their spending habits, knowing how to use and leverage money well is an art form. To think that tipping at the right time and right amount for example or being generous when buying drinks for your girl and a couple of her friends does not have a positive effect is crazy and delusional. Why is it that most of the guys complaining about what another punter tips or doesn't tip are also the same guys complaining about how bad the scene has become and how shitty the girls' attitudes are. If you are happy with your game then stay on it. But if you are not getting good results then maybe you are trying too hard to hold some imaginary line in the sand. Loosen up and have a good time.
Sometimes I tip and sometimes I don't. It depends on the girl and how well she performs. But I always leave some change in the form of a tip for the waitress. There is a big return on that small investment Believe me. I have a few girls I been seeing for a long time. I treat them well in bed and out of bed. I am pretty generous. We never talk money. When I walk into a bar and I haven't seen the girl for 6 months or a year, she drops everything she is doing and whoever she is with to be with me. Give that up? I don't think so.
WestCoast1
12-06-12, 06:14
Now it may not be your style but its mine. And Fuck if I care if the prices go up. I'm making memories now. Things always change.
This game is about Living for today. Let tomorrow take care of itself.Well: Thanks!
Now it may not be your style but its mine. And Fuck if I care if the prices go up. I'm making memories now. Things always change.
This game is about Living for today. Let tomorrow take care of itself.Excellent post, very well said, fully supported! Can't agree more.
Enjoy!
Any effects from the typhoon on AC? Or is the typhoon too far south?
I'll be there in about 8 weeks.
Now it may not be your style but its mine. And Fuck if I care if the prices go up. I'm making memories now. Things always change.
This game is about Living for today. Let tomorrow take care of itself.The ones like you are the reason why I support not to post hidden gems anymore to the public. Let those "millionaires for a week" throw their money elsewhere.
GoodEnough
12-06-12, 15:10
Any effects from the typhoon on AC? Or is the typhoon too far south?
I'll be there in about 8 weeks.Typhoon was nowhere near AC.
Yes, it's far to the south. Over 500 miles / 800 km. I would guess that they got a little extra rain in AC, but I doubt that there is any lasting effect. A search for weather and Angeles city (or Manila) can give you some pretty detailed information. As for eight weeks into the future, you may have to think about the mid-Philippine Sea minstrals. They are rare, but dangerous.
Any effects from the typhoon on AC? Or is the typhoon too far south?
I'll be there in about 8 weeks.
Yes, it's far to the south. Over 500 miles / 800 km. I would guess that they got a little extra rain in AC, but I doubt that there is any lasting effect. A search for weather and Angeles city (or Manila) can give you some pretty detailed information. As for eight weeks into the future, you may have to think about the mid-Philippine Sea minstrals. They are rare, but dangerous.Thanks xman. Wasn't sure how big that thing was, especially after that biggun that went up the US coast.
There's nothing like eyes on the ground. It's what makes this forum.
I read that some of you guys give numbers to the girls to call you later. Do you guys have international phones, do you buy a throw away phone, use Internet phone or what? Or will hotel allow me to accept local calls to my room. Any advice would be most welcomed.
Thanks in advance!
Pip Jaeger
12-06-12, 21:29
I had also questioned the board re hotel provided massage with extras but did not use this service. On the 5 minute walk to Fields / Walking Street I saw numerous massage places but did not enter any. Instead, I wandered Fields, had a bite to eat, surveyed talent at a couple joints and hit a grocery store to stock my refrigerator. On walk back to hotel, an 80 pound munchkin offered suck / fuck for 500P S / T. Couldn't resist the bargain that stretched into 2 days of intermittent bag drainingSounds like you got your "happy ending" afterall; did the munchkin also give you a massage?
Good first report, thanks!
I read that some of you guys give numbers to the girls to call you later. Do you guys have international phones, do you buy a throw away phone, use Internet phone or what? Or will hotel allow me to accept local calls to my room. Any advice would be most welcomed.
Thanks in advance!But a local sim and phone the girls do not call you they will text you
The ones like you are the reason why I support not to post hidden gems anymore to the public. Let those "millionaires for a week" throw their money elsewhere.Here, here!
This is the way it's going in a lot of places now. Regulars on some boards are tight lipped about everything. It used to be you could freely share on boards like this and get good stuff in return. Now there is a sort of dual set up where the gems are shared only privately and the well known places are reviewed over and over again until they're worn out. This is one of those dual swords of the internet. You don't have to pay dues anymore, just google "where to buy pussy in (enter city here)". You can see the results in front of you.
LeknomForMe
12-07-12, 04:52
Rates are artificial inflated by 5 day millionaires who never come back. That's the problem.
And no, I don't think tickets are cheap. What used to cost $700 from the Eastern US to Manila is now more like 1500 most times. Hotels either. $25-30 for absolute dumps and $100 for places like Lewis Grand that would probably cost half that in a similar area in the US. Don't get me started on 500 meter $3 trike rides.
But yea, keep saving up all year so you can waste a ton of money for one week. Seems like a logical plan and has the added benefit of making prices go up for regular visitors.Just so you know, I go to asia twice a year and stay a month minimum in the Philippines then on to Thailand for another month. If you do the math, oh never mind ill do it for you. 1500 for my flight to the phils and Thailand including my ticket between said countries mentioned devided by 60=25 / day + 60 for drinks and food and incidentals = 85 + lets say 60 for fucking allllll fucking night = 145 + 50 for a decent room = 195 so lets say 200 / day to make it easy to understand. Now thats what I pay here in the states for a mediocre to great fuck for one hour. Dig me pigmy?
So still even with the rising airline prices (mostly due to fuel prices, and security costs after 911) I'm getting a killer deal even if I have to pay for an extra bag, in my honest oppinion.
Sin cerely, frequent pooner, leknomforme.
Doppel One
12-07-12, 08:22
[QUOTE]I read that some of you guys give numbers to the girls to call you later. Do you guys have international phones, do you buy a throw away phone, use Internet phone or what? [QUOTE]
Just buy a Philippines SIM card when you arrive. The two most popular networks seem to be Smart and Globe. Take your pick. The cost of a SIM is about 50 piso.
I think I read somewhere that the Philippines is the text capital of the world. It's certainly true that Filipinos are compulsive texters. As anyone who has been to AC will know, once you start a text conversation with some of these girls it can go on and on and bloody on. Great fun but very time consuming.
Footnote: on my last trip to AC I came across a pretty door girl at one of the clubs who was so fresh off the boat she didn't even have a phone. Feeling generous one night I walked across the street to one of the phone shops and bought her a pretty basic 900 piso Samsung with a SIM and 50 pisos of load (credit). The reaction I got from the girl was terrific. She couldn't have been more grateful if I'd bought her a house. Not only did the phone get her up and running in a social and business sense it also saved me a lot of money because she'd quite often come to my hotel after work and all I ever gave her was a small tip in the morning. I don't know what the moral of the story is but the relatively small outlay I made on that phone went a long long way and I'm sure the phone (which will eventually make it's way back to her province) will have a very long life.
I read that some of you guys give numbers to the girls to call you later. Do you guys have international phones, do you buy a throw away phone, use Internet phone or what? Or will hotel allow me to accept local calls to my room. Any advice would be most welcomed.I have posted several times on this board about the cheap new Nokia 1280 (bottom-of-the-range phones) that are 850 pesos plus a SIM.
They work very well and the batteries last way longer than my other expensive Blackberry and I-Phones.
Just go to any Nokia shop or a shop selling new phones and within 5 minutes you are up and running with a new phone and a SIM.
I always use one continuously as my second phone using a local SIM while I am overseas and they are very good since they fit easily into the pocket.
I have bought several of them as gifts over the years, and as Doppel 1 said: Any girl without a phone (Yes; they still exist) will think you are a king if you buy her one or just give her yours when you go home. A very well-spent 1000 php
You're welcome. BTW, my last sentence was in jest.
Thanks xman. Wasn't sure how big that thing was, especially after that biggun that went up the US coast.
There's nothing like eyes on the ground. It's what makes this forum.
- It seems now many / most girls, including the bars on Perimeter Road, are asking for double lady drinks (usually 300 pesos compared to 150 pesos for the single drink). That seems to be the norm now. But at least, the waitress will almost always ask if that is OK. Except for the Felatio shots which are 200 pesos; the waitress never asked when the girl ordered those.
- Tipping is here to stay in Angeles. The waitress frowns when you leave 5 pesos on a 95 pesos bill.
- I saw a lot more Indian / Malayasian types than before.
- Seems many girls do not want to do long time. They don't even want to do more than 2 hours on a barfine. They make hints that you hurry up.
- Few more hotels are coming up, but those pesky viagara salespeople are still around.
Sounds accurate to me (except the ST shit; I have the opposite problem I can never get rid of the girls the next day). Be sure to thank the big ballers bragging on this thread for all of that.
Trouble is that in USA the tip for waiters at restaurants and bars is the major stake of their salaries. They get paid little, in general, as the establishment guarantees their income with the tips, ie the service charge. But why then having to pay high menu prices for the steak?Every restaurant has other expenses in addition to wait staff salaries. They have rent to pay, utilities, supplies, and they need to make a profit as well as pay taxes on said profits. Do not begrudge a business for making a profit on the goods and services you seek. If you don't like such free market principles, I hear that North Korea may be looking for people who seem to love socialism. Get that entry visa, go visit NK, and come back and let the world know how you liked your stay. I am hungry for some BBQ ribs and I don't mind paying $16. $25 to enjoy half a rack to a full rack of ribs. D-Li-cious! And throw in a 15% tip since the waitress is also serving 2 or 3 other tables in that hour.
Fredje1961
12-07-12, 14:12
I hear that North Korea may be looking for people who seem to love socialismJiggydus, you're guilty of extremist thinking: with NK on the extreme socialist side and the USA on the extreme "free market" side, you forget that there's many other countries who have more than decent social models that allow for free entreprise while at the same time protecting the less strong / smart / courageous.
WestCoast1
12-07-12, 15:42
- Tipping is here to stay in Angeles. The waitress frowns when you leave 5 pesos on a 95 pesos bill.GB: How did the waitress know how much you tipped before you departed the bar? I never tell them to keep any of the change for themselves. In fact, I don't think I've ever tipped a bar waitress in AC where I said: "Keep the change," or such. When they bring the change I wait until they walk away and leave whatever I feel like (a coin or two, if anything). Or, if the bill is p90, I drop p100 in the cup and walk. Either way, she won't know how much tip she's getting (if any) until I am headed out the door. No way for me to know if she's frowning (nor should it be my concern).
- Seems many girls do not want to do long time. They don't even want to do more than 2 hours on a barfine. They make hints that you hurry up.Are you specifying in the bar your expectations? A lot of gents could eliminate this problem by specifying first. Also you can do yourself a favor and eliminate a lot of the moms (they rarely want to stay after sunup if they have a child to get home to) by only taking girls who agree to stay late. I've had great success with time by specifying 10am. I will PM you.
Every restaurant has other expenses in addition to wait staff salaries. They have rent to pay, utilities, supplies, and they need to make a profit as well as pay taxes on said profits.And yet restaurants continue to exist in countries that require businesses to pay a living wage. Amazing!
Yea, the problem in the US is definitely that business is too "begrudged". That's what caused the economic meltdown. What we need to do is lower regulation and help them stuff MORE profits into their coffers. Where do I sign up to help the campaign?
- It seems now many / most girls, including the bars on Perimeter Road, are asking for double lady drinks (usually 300 pesos compared to 150 pesos for the single drink). That seems to be the norm now. But at least, the waitress will almost always ask if that is OK. Except for the Felatio shots which are 200 pesos; the waitress never asked when the girl ordered those.
- Tipping is here to stay in Angeles. The waitress frowns when you leave 5 pesos on a 95 pesos bill.
- I saw a lot more Indian / Malayasian types than before.
- Seems many girls do not want to do long time. They don't even want to do more than 2 hours on a barfine. They make hints that you hurry up.
- Few more hotels are coming up, but those pesky viagara salespeople are still around.I frequent Perimeter Road bars a lot. Never been propositioned for a double ladies drink. Think its got a lot to do with how the girls or management perceive you. They might think of you as a Green Bud. No waitress has ever frowned at my tips, and if the bill is 95, chances are I will only leave P100 and walk. Indians and Malaysians, yes sometimes they seem to be everywhere. Think they are on an el cheepo charter from Malaysia. Girls hinting to hurry up. Don't think I have ever experienced that, but then, I am handsome, LOL. I think the pesky viagra sales persons will always be around whilst guys are always buying from them. Myself, I just look straight ahead, say nothing, and then they say no more. Yes, there are negatives associated with Angeles, but there are also positives, for example, huge number of girls to choose from, girl friend type experience easy to come by, cheap beer and some more. Cheer up, it can only get worse, LOL.
Just so you know, I go to asia twice a year and stay a month minimum in the Philippines then on to Thailand for another month. If you do the math, oh never mind ill do it for you. 1500 for my flight to the phils and Thailand including my ticket between said countries mentioned devided by 60=25 / day + 60 for drinks and food and incidentals = 85 + lets say 60 for fucking allllll fucking night = 145 + 50 for a decent room = 195 so lets say 200 / day to make it easy to understand. Now thats what I pay here in the states for a mediocre to great fuck for one hour. Dig me pigmy?
So still even with the rising airline prices (mostly due to fuel prices, and security costs after 911) I'm getting a killer deal even if I have to pay for an extra bag, in my honest oppinion.
Sin cerely, frequent pooner, leknomforme.I don't give a sh*t on how much you pay at home. The US is not the center of the world. Those of us who live in Asia do not appreciate such irresponsible travel. Full stop.
ThatGuy865
12-08-12, 04:51
I don't give a sh*t on how much you pay at home. The US is not the center of the world. Those of us who live in Asia do not appreciate such irresponsible travel. Full stop.The girls seem to like it. Don't hear them complaining. I believe they live in Asia too. So I don't think you can speak for "those who live in Asia"
GB: How did the waitress know how much you tipped before you departed the bar?When the bill is 95 pesos, I sometimes leave a 100 peso bill and start to walk away. I could see her frown.
I normally leave 15 or 20 pesos if my bill is 200 or 300 pesos. They seem to be happy with that. Sorry, I'm from America. I tip.
Are you specifying in the bar your expectations? A lot of gents could eliminate this problem by specifying first. Also you can do yourself a favor and eliminate a lot of the moms (they rarely want to stay after sunup if they have a child to get home to) by only taking girls who agree to stay late. I've had great success with time by specifying 10am. I will PM you.Thanks for the PM.
I ALWAYS ask the girls everything at the bar. My success rate is low for CIM, lesbian shows etc; I think it's because I ask the cutest girls on the large bars on Fields.
I usually eliminate the moms because of their fat bellys and / or ugly stretch marks. It seems their kids are usually with her parents in the province since their Pinoy boyfriends runs away after they take their cherries and get them pregnant. What losers! (the Pinoys who runs away from their responsibilities).
Also, even if they say yes at the bar, they sometimes renege in the hotel room. I tell them 4 hours, and they whine after 2 hours.
Yes, there are negatives associated with Angeles, but there are also positives, for example, huge number of girls to choose from, girl friend type experience easy to come by, cheap beer and some more. Cheer up, it can only get worse, LOL.
Overall, I still LOVE Angeles!
I don't give a sh*t on how much you pay at home. The US is not the center of the world. Those of us who live in Asia do not appreciate such irresponsible travel. Full stop.Those of us who live in the US and have brains don't appreciate it either.
Just so you know, I go to asia twice a year and stay a month minimum in the Philippines then on to Thailand for another month. If you do the math, oh never mind ill do it for you. 1500 for my flight to the phils and Thailand including my ticket between said countries mentioned devided by 60=25 / day + 60 for drinks and food and incidentals = 85 + lets say 60 for fucking allllll fucking night = 145 + 50 for a decent room = 195 so lets say 200 / day to make it easy to understand. Now thats what I pay here in the states for a mediocre to great fuck for one hour. Dig me pigmy?
So still even with the rising airline prices (mostly due to fuel prices, and security costs after 911) I'm getting a killer deal even if I have to pay for an extra bag, in my honest oppinion.
Sin cerely, frequent pooner, leknomforme.Is it just me but I think this post is full of shit. 60 days stay $60 for drinks and food? $60 for barfine? And a $50 hotel in AC? I agree guys can spend $200 a day here but 60 days it $12, 000 sounds to me this guy is still living with his mom wanking his dick wishing he could come here.
Is it just me but I think this post is full of shit. 60 days stay $60 for drinks and food? $60 for barfine? And a $50 hotel in AC?$50 hotel in AC? Whats wrong with it? ABC or LGH is easily $100 a night, so that's medium priced. Range of e. G. Devera.
$60 for barfine? 2400ps? Whats wrong with it? ST in afternoon and barfine at night is quickly more than 3k. Been there, done that.
Only drinks and food at $60 is a bit high, could be done for half of it, but with lotsa LD's, no problem.
Llantarnam
12-08-12, 11:13
I don't give a sh*t on how much you pay at home. The US is not the center of the world. Those of us who live in Asia do not appreciate such irresponsible travel. Full stop.I'm on a 4 week tour of the world in March and have already spent a shed load of cash booking flights, hotels and tours. Do you honestly believe that I am going to turn down the chance to shag the hottest pussy in town because she is charging £10 over the odds? . Dream on.
And what if your logic was used on beer. We're all going to stay tea total every night because the bars on fields charge over the odds?
AC exists because of tourists. If you chose to live there, work there or monger there you have to expect to pay tourist rates.
$50 hotel in AC? Whats wrong with it? ABC or LGH is easily $100 a night, so that's medium priced. Range of e. G. Devera.
$60 for barfine? 2400ps? Whats wrong with it? ST in afternoon and barfine at night is quickly more than 3k. Been there, done that.
Only drinks and food at $60 is a bit high, could be done for half of it, but with lotsa LD's, no problem.You missed my main point $12, 000 budget every year. The rest just sound like made up numbers like the total budget. Still if you beleive him next time he is in AC join him for a drink he has $60 a day to spend on drinks and food.
Those of us who live in the US and have brains don't appreciate it either.You are the one standing out. Kudos to you.
Garry Smith
12-08-12, 16:53
Some of best looking bargirl spanish mix.
I'm on a 4 week tour of the world in March and have already spent a shed load of cash booking flights, hotels and tours. Do you honestly believe that I am going to turn down the chance to shag the hottest pussy in town because she is charging £10 over the odds? . Dream on.
And what if your logic was used on beer. We're all going to stay tea total every night because the bars on fields charge over the odds?
AC exists because of tourists. If you chose to live there, work there or monger there you have to expect to pay tourist rates.I don't blame the girls trying to extort every lose buck you have to throw. I hope prices double or triple as soon as possible, just because you guys can afford it. There are still hidden gems left. I just hope they are not revealed to the big swinging dicks.
Garry Smith
12-08-12, 17:06
Some more pic to share
LeknomForMe
12-08-12, 17:27
You missed my main point $12, 000 budget every year. The rest just sound like made up numbers like the total budget. Still if you beleive him next time he is in AC join him for a drink he has $60 a day to spend on drinks and food.Not everyone who lives in the US is struggling. Some of us make damn good money.
I don't date in the US as I figure why date a 60 yr old who can't keep up with me in the sack and has saggy tits and a flacid ass so I'm not wasting my money there. Thats right I'm in my 60's and have been going to asia since 1976 when I was working in the oil fields of alaska and you were probably still soiling your pampers.
The $60 dollars was for food and drinks and INCIDENTALS, LOL I put that in caps so you wouldn't miss it this time. I always rent a bike where ever I go as I love to have my lbfm sitting on the back with her tiny legs wrapped around me giving me a reach around while we drive to the next bar for some drinks. I don't just take them to my hotel, throw them in the shower, scrub them down and fuck them. I treat them more like a date then just a piece of meat. I also do things other then drink and monger like going to the movies or go cart racing and scuba diving when I am in other parts of the phils and Thailand especially. I averaged that into the incidentals.
I usually get my rocks off twice a day, once in the am with a nice massage and HJ or BJ, then at night with a hot little lbfm at my medium priced hotel.
I have probably already bought you a drink at some time or another, as I always buy a few drinks for my compatriots and a few girls at the bars that I go to, its the friendly thing to do.
So please don't assume that my two well earned months of fucation are a fantasy.
Leknomforme
I had a weekend free on my Asia trip and decided to go to AC. So, I was short on time but decided to make the best of it.
First night I landed late at around mid-night and the whole immigration lines were terribly long. I got to the hotel around 1:30 and quickly showered and went out. I decided to hit Insomnia since I had heard that there were some top heavy ladies there =) As was stated, Insomnia had probably the biggest lineup of girls with nice racks. I counted at least a dozen or so who could easily pass for a D cup or at least a large C! The bar is pretty small and there were a lot of girls and not too many customers at that time. So I was taken up by a cute little thing with beautiful face, very young and great tits. Called her over and she was newbie and somewhat shy. Got her an LD and started chatting her up and made a rookie mistake. After spending some time and money, she tells me that she is a cherry girl! Kicked her out and looked again. There were 2 girls having a lot of fun together dancing. Called them over and we had a great time making out, dancing, singing etc. After many drinks, I decided to take one of them. Very vivacious, nice tits, youngish. The only thing bad about her was her teeth protruded out and marred her face. She was a real sweetheart in bed. Great energy, good BBBJ and good sex. One of the better shags I had in some time.
Next afternoon I went to the Perimeter bars looking for some BJ action. Got to Matrix Brawn and saw an older (probably early 30s) woman with a great body and a decent face. She came over and started hitting me up to take her to the back room. After some strong persuasion, I took her and again she was passionate and had a great GFE session. BBBJ was great and even included some ice cubes and the finale was swallowing every drop!
That night I checked a few of the larger clubs. They all seemed a bit impersonal to me although Atlantis and Dollhouse have some great shows. One of the best I saw was their pole dancing teams. Totally fabulous and very impressive. I went to Players and some others but nothing caught my eye. It was around midnight and I decided to drop into High Society to just check the scene out. It was packed and I really like the vibe. There was hardly place to stand and not a chance of a table. So, I decided to splurge on a bottle and immediately they found me a table right near the stage. That ended up working great. While I was drinking, I could check out all the cuties on the floor. In addition there were a couple of tables next time where they had 2 big groups and one of the ladies in there was just absolutely stunning. I couldn't keep my eyes off her but knew that she was already spoken for. Funnily she kept checking me out too and would accidentally run into me while dancing or brush me as she was walking. Unfortunately that group disbanded and she went off with one of the guys in the group. In the mean time I found a cutie dancing on the floor and asked her to join me. She comes up and then we dance and are making out at the table when she suddenly says that she has a sister can she come and join. I said absolutely =) We had a great time there for a while drinking, dancing, making out and finally split to go to my room. My first 3some with sisters ad while it was not what you expect from movies, it was quite satisfying getting blown by one while you are kissing or eating the other out or toying with them while they are kissing each other out. They both had the same mother but not the same father, so they were similar in some sense but different enough. Had a good time and then fell asleep and woke up and went at it again. I must say it was a very fun and satisfying evening in more ways than just sex =) I certainly would recommend High Society if you are not looking for just sex and want some mystery of the chase.
My final afternoon (since I had an early evening flt to catch) , I ended up taking a fellow monger's suggestion and phoned an FL to come to my room. That probably was the biggest mistake. She had a fantastic body with D cup tits, young and tight. However, her face was not so great and couldn't kiss her as she had terrible breath. To top it off she said she wouldn't do BBBJ and that kind of soured things. Anyway, I got the deed over with literally and kicked her out. Probably my worst experience.
Any way, for me who likes voluptuous ladies, Insomnia had a lot of talent. Pony Tails was a good bar and had a good vibe. The big bars put on great shows and some cuties but lack the intimacy of the smaller bars. Some of the perimeter bars are real fun during the day time. FLs to be avoided at all cost. Not worth the trouble.
Happy mongering.
I don't give a sh*t on how much you pay at home. The US is not the center of the world. Those of us who live in Asia do not appreciate such irresponsible travel. Full stop.To reference pricing and travel-spending to one's own home currency and costing is natural and reasonable and for me as a forum reader interesting. I also come from from a country where girls, hotels, drinking are up to ten times more expensive than in Angeles City. Therefor I am sometimes likely to "overpay" or overtip in locals opinions, I want to do it and it's not worth my time to always hunt down the best margin. Usually other local / foreign customers in different countries / cities seem happy with this.
But sometimes fellow posters in some parts of this forum seem to think it screws up local pricing. To think that a few of us "overspenders" on this forum actually effect the pricing at a major mongering destination is naive and I don't think being negative against the "big spenders" is either fair reasonable. If visitors are generous and spend big money legally in your hometown, be happy.
Mr Enternational
12-08-12, 23:23
Price elasticity. Would you feel the same way if you went somewhere that pussy costs twice as much as it does at home? Would you then be happy to give away money like it grew on trees? What you pay now has more than you know to do with what you will pay tomorrow. Rio is an excellent example. When I first srated going in 2001 I could get a girl all night for $25. Thanks to 2 week millionaires you can't get a short time for less than $100 in 2012. All nigjt? Shit you are coming off at least $200. So don't tell me it doesn't matter because I have witnessed it myself.
Price elasticity. So don't tell me it doesn't matter because I have witnessed it myself.Say what you want but trying to be price police here is of real small result. ISG readers are 0. 00001% of the mongerers filling bars, MP's, hiring FL's etc.
Even if you have a magic stick and convince all readers here to stick to what should be the prices, they're will be still tons paying whatever they feel like.
It is correct to point what should be a reasonable price so nobody is cheated against his will. But bragging or attacking such "you are ruining the market" is not fair.
Sounds like you got your "happy ending" afterall; did the munchkin also give you a massage?
Good first report, thanks!Munchkin has been sticking with me like gum on the bottom of a shoe. Had to give her a day / night off while I took care of business (visa extension, arrangements for trip N Luzon, visit with friend living here, etc.) However, upon her return, she provided an adequate massage punctuated with AR, BLS, BBBJ and CG. Sometimes it's good to be passive, especially when your wants are intuitively fulfilled. Makes it difficult for a lazy monger like myself to go out booty shopping.
Mr Enternational
12-09-12, 00:50
In no way am I telling someone what they should or should not pay. I am only saying that it should in no way be compared to pricing back home and that when the bottom falls out of your good thing don't go crying about it. I'm a smart guy. I have always been able to go around the bullshit.
WestCoast1
12-09-12, 01:00
But sometimes fellow posters in some parts of this forum seem to think it screws up local pricing. To think that a few of us "overspenders" on this forum actually effect the pricing at a major mongering destination is naive and I don't think being negative against the "big spenders" is either fair reasonable.
Say what you want but trying to be price police here is of real small result. ISG readers are 0. 00001% of the mongerers filling bars, MP's, hiring FL's etc.
Even if you have a magic stick and convince all readers here to stick to what should be the prices, they're will be still tons paying whatever they feel like.Those can't both be right. Are there only a 'few' big-spenders in AC every year? Or 'tons'? I would hazard a guess that Bionic is right (as I've met many of them in AC; not to mention all the Koreans driving up prices).
I'm guilty sometimes also. I on occasion just offer a FL more than she's worth, to eliminate the haggle. To me, sometimes the haggle is fun, other times just not worth it. Its very easy to offer her 500 over the going rate. I'm guilty with tipping also (hard to believe, huh). I only tip 50 for jeep / tryke, which is damned small. However any tipping is out of the norm there. I'm freely admitting guilt here. When I push my western custom on them, they get used to it and come to expect it from other westerners (but not from their own). Everytime one of us overpays or tips (unexpected items in the culture) , we drive up prices. When thousands do it, the locals see it clearly, and become accustomed to it.
Rio is an excellent example. When I first srated going in 2001 I could get a girl all night for $25. Thanks to 2 week millionaires you can't get a short time for less than $100 in 2012. All nigjt? Shit you are coming off at least $200. So don't tell me it doesn't matter because I have witnessed it myself.Same has occurred in AC. Body Shop and similar was p1300. Four years later it was 1800. Bar owners only raise prices when they think they can get away with it. They saw the influx of big spenders buying more LD's and hearing stories of tipping from the girls and mamas.
We're not going to convince the big-spenders not to overpay. To each his own, but be prepared to pay more later.
Member #4698
12-09-12, 02:22
ISG members are price takers not price makers. We have a very small impact on price.
10-20 years ago prices in AC were very cheap compared to today. But you did not see many Koreans around. Today with much higher prices you see a ton of Koreans. Why? Because Korea is a much richer country today and their currency has more value than it had 10 years ago. As a result Koreans now have a lot more excess spending power and they are out to have a good time. Why not? They consider the PI a bargain. This is the same economic situation the West enjoyed for over a hundred years. Now if Western Europe and the USA got their economic houses in order, good luck on that one, perhaps their economies would grow at a faster pace and their currencies would appreciate in value. But I see the continued devaluation of Western Currencies over the foreseeable future as Western Governments try to pay off their debts by printing more paper money. What does this tell you? In the aggregate we are getting poorer.
I remember the good times in Rio back in the 90's. Man it was good! But then the Brazilian economy started to grow. First prices went up in local currency terms, not a big deal, but then in the '00's, the exchange rate turned in their favor. As a result, Rio and Sao Paula are now very expensive, but the girls are still just as hot.
I predict that in 10 years the average EWR in AC will be 4000p or more. There is nothing we can do about it. IMHO, the only thing that can stop the price inflation would be a worldwide depression or if North Korea nukes South Korea and Japan. But if a major depression or some unforeseen political catastrophe were to occur, then demand side resources and spending ability would be severely constrained and many punters if not most, would not be able to afford a trip to Asia.
Me, I plan to shag and keep on shagging no matter what until I can't afford it any more or my dick falls off, whichever comes first. But seriously, I know there are some that are at their budgetary limits right now. You guys still have options. You can still get laid in AC for 1000p, just not on Fields. You can also cut back on frequency and see the girls less often. You can make arrangements to see the girls when they are not working for significantly less money. And lastly you can always get a girlfriend or two or three and not pay.
Complaining about the situation and blaming other punters is futile.
And lastly you can always get a girlfriend or two or three and not pay.Now if you could only lay out the road map as to how to accomplish this. Not getting the GFs, because that is the easy part but how do you not pay?
Member #4698
12-09-12, 02:51
Now if you could only lay out the road map as to how to accomplish this. Not getting the GFs, because that is the easy part but how do you not pay?So true, man. Which reminds me of Bob Dylan's song "Rainy Day Woman #12 and #35"
They'll stone you when you're trying to be so good.
They'll stone you just like they said they would.
They'll stone you when you're trying to go home.
They'll stone you when you're there all alone.
But I would not feel so all alone.
Everybody must get stoned.
*
They'll stone you when you're walking on the street.
They'll stone you when you're trying to keep your seat.
They'll stone you when your walking on the floor.
They'll stone you when your walking to the door.
But I would not feel so all alone.
Everybody must get stoned.
*
They'll stone you when you're at the breakfast table.
They'll stone you when you are young and able.
They'll stone you when you're trying to make a buck.
They'll stone you and then they'll say good luck.
But I would not feel so all alone.
Everybody must get stoned.
*
Well They'll stone you and say that it's the end.
They'll stone you and then they'll come back again.
They'll stone you when you're riding in your car.
They'll stone you when you're playing you guitar.
Yes But I would not feel so all alone.
Everybody must get stoned.
*
Well They'll stone you when you are all alone.
They'll stone you when you are walking home.
They'll stone you and then say they're all brave.
They'll stone you when you're send down in your grave.
But I would not feel so all alone.
Everybody must get stoned
Garry Smith
12-09-12, 04:22
I had a weekend free on my Asia trip and decided to go to AC. So, I was short on time but decided to make the best of it.
First night I landed late at around mid-night and the whole immigration lines were terribly long. I got to the hotel around 1:30 and quickly showered and went out. I decided to hit Insomnia since I had heard that there were some top heavy ladies there =) As was stated, Insomnia had probably the biggest lineup of girls with nice racks. I counted at least a dozen or so who could easily pass for a D cup or at least a large C! The bar is pretty small and there were a lot of girls and not too many customers at that time. So I was taken up by a cute little thing with beautiful face, very young and great tits. Called her over and she was newbie and somewhat shy. Got her an LD and started chatting her up and made a rookie mistake. After spending some time and money, she tells me that she is a cherry girl! Kicked her out and looked again. There were 2 girls having a lot of fun together dancing. Called them over and we had a great time making out, dancing, singing etc. After many drinks, I decided to take one of them. Very vivacious, nice tits, youngish. The only thing bad about her was her teeth protruded out and marred her face. She was a real sweetheart in bed. Great energy, good BBBJ and good sex. One of the better shags I had in some time.
Next afternoon I went to the Perimeter bars looking for some BJ action. Got to Matrix Brawn and saw an older (probably early 30s) woman with a great body and a decent face. She came over and started hitting me up to take her to the back room. After some strong persuasion, I took her and again she was passionate and had a great GFE session. BBBJ was great and even included some ice cubes and the finale was swallowing every drop!
That night I checked a few of the larger clubs. They all seemed a bit impersonal to me although Atlantis and Dollhouse have some great shows. One of the best I saw was their pole dancing teams. Totally fabulous and very impressive. I went to Players and some others but nothing caught my eye. It was around midnight and I decided to drop into High Society to just check the scene out. It was packed and I really like the vibe. There was hardly place to stand and not a chance of a table. So, I decided to splurge on a bottle and immediately they found me a table right near the stage. That ended up working great. While I was drinking, I could check out all the cuties on the floor. In addition there were a couple of tables next time where they had 2 big groups and one of the ladies in there was just absolutely stunning. I couldn't keep my eyes off her but knew that she was already spoken for. Funnily she kept checking me out too and would accidentally run into me while dancing or brush me as she was walking. Unfortunately that group disbanded and she went off with one of the guys in the group. In the mean time I found a cutie dancing on the floor and asked her to join me. She comes up and then we dance and are making out at the table when she suddenly says that she has a sister can she come and join. I said absolutely =) We had a great time there for a while drinking, dancing, making out and finally split to go to my room. My first 3some with sisters ad while it was not what you expect from movies, it was quite satisfying getting blown by one while you are kissing or eating the other out or toying with them while they are kissing each other out. They both had the same mother but not the same father, so they were similar in some sense but different enough. Had a good time and then fell asleep and woke up and went at it again. I must say it was a very fun and satisfying evening in more ways than just sex =) I certainly would recommend High Society if you are not looking for just sex and want some mystery of the chase.
My final afternoon (since I had an early evening flt to catch) , I ended up taking a fellow monger's suggestion and phoned an FL to come to my room. That probably was the biggest mistake. She had a fantastic body with D cup tits, young and tight. However, her face was not so great and couldn't kiss her as she had terrible breath. To top it off she said she wouldn't do BBBJ and that kind of soured things. Anyway, I got the deed over with literally and kicked her out. Probably my worst experience.
Any way, for me who likes voluptuous ladies, Insomnia had a lot of talent. Pony Tails was a good bar and had a good vibe. The big bars put on great shows and some cuties but lack the intimacy of the smaller bars. Some of the perimeter bars are real fun during the day time. FLs to be avoided at all cost. Not worth the trouble.
Happy mongering.Tq for info bro. I also like to go to ponytail in day time but perimeter bar you refer to which bar bro? Tq
Doppel One
12-09-12, 04:52
ISG members are price takers not price makers. We have a very small impact on price.
I predict that in 10 years the average EWR in AC will be 4000p or more. Complaining about the situation and blaming other punters is futile.If anyone wants to gaze into a crystal ball and know what the future of AC will look like due to 'upward pricing pressures' just look at Thailand. There is no comparison between Thailand now and 10 years ago. There are now very few 18-22 year olds in the premium go-go bars in Pattaya and BKK and the price they demand for ST and LT is very high. The average girl / hag in a regular bar beer is probably in her late 20s and of dubious quality. Obviously general affluence and the state of the economy is the main factor at play here and of course many girls have more career choices than they did 10 years ago. Nowadays if a poor family can survive off the earnings of a girl who is considered the 'runt' of the family they will allow her better looking sister (the stronger gene) to get a college education, a good career and possibly find a decent husband. So the girls left to work in the bars will eventually be the runts of the family litter. Be warned, it doesn't always follow that the quality of the girls remains high as prices rise.
Luckily the deterioration in overall standards will not affect the more erudite and savvy members of the board who will adapt and work out how to get quality girls at still affordable prices elsewhere. But the lazy mongers, the cursed 'one week millionaires', who want it all on a plate because they have the 'cash to splash' will find themselves in an increasingly small pond competing for fewer and fewer pieces of top notch pussy. Well, guys, you only have yourselves to blame.
I actually hold the view that the future for AC as a mongering destination is fairly bleak anyway due mainly to the expansion of Clark airport which is destined to become the 2nd airport of Manila. Young vacationers and backpacker types, and by that I include Western women, are starting to arrive at Clark in order to explore the Philippines and many of them overnight in AC staying at the hotels on Fields Av and along Perimeter. This initial trickle of non-mongering tourists will soon become a flood and when it does the whole nature of AC will rapidly change. In ten years time the average price of an EWR may be 4000. But will the AC we currently know and love still exist? I think not.
If anyone wants to gaze into a crystal ball and know what the future of AC will look like due to 'upward pricing pressures' just .An excellent post and I agree with most, if not all of what you say. Correct. To the top of the class you go.
I predict that in 10 years the average EWR in AC will be 4000p or more.Perhaps another country (or maybe another region in Pi) will take over.
There are other poor countries. Laos and Cambodia spring to mind. Which might emerge as new mongering locations. I'm not confident as the whole AC thing evolved through the huge US military presence at Subic at Clark, and that had decades and hundreds of thousands of cashed up servicemen.
Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.
The LT rate in Cambodia and Laos is ALREADY higher than it is in AC for comparable quality, so knock those off your list right now.
Streetlooker
12-09-12, 07:19
Clark is a bit far from manila for it to be used by anyone that needs to be in manila for anything.
BTW the average Korean is worse off now then they were ten years ago. Something like half of new hires out of university are on temporary contract and making an average of 6 US dollars an hour. Rent has gone through the roof. The currency isn't so strong either. The Korean won has lost 21. 35% against the Philippines pesos in the last decade. 1000 won gets you less local currency now than it did 10 years ago. A third of college graduates have no job, aren't in further schooling and have no prospects. Average national pay is WAY lower than it is in the US or Japan.
It's way too easy to blame Koreans, especially when you have western guys on this board bragging about all the money they waste.
The Japanese yen is currently through the roof, yet Japanese visitors to AC are DOWN over past years. There are other things at play.
Note too that Japanese and Korean guys don't tip, ever, for anything.
I don't blame the newbies who show up with no info (though those are less and less with the internet).
Nope the blame goes squarely on the weekend warrior assholes who know better but just don't care. Hey I spend money because I can. Cool! Maybe next you'll give Starbucks $10 for a coffee that costs $5. Why not? You can afford it.
You suck.
WestCoast1
12-09-12, 07:47
BTW the average Korean is worse off now then they were ten years ago. Something like half of new hires out of university are on temporary contract and making an average of 6 US dollars an hour. Rent has gone through the roof. The currency isn't so strong either. The Korean won has lost 21. 35% against the Philippines pesos in the last decade. 1000 won gets you less local currency now than it did 10 years ago. A third of college graduates have no job, aren't in further schooling and have no prospects. Average national pay is WAY lower than it is in the US or Japan.
It's way too easy to blame Koreans, especially when you have western guys on this board bragging about all the money they waste.Yet, you see them, in groups in AC. They March into one bar and barfine several girls without taking them. Then they hit several other bars, sitting with the girls buying double LD's. Then later they return to the first bar where they may or may not take the barfined girls with them. A pair of Fields mamas tell me about the korean's exploits and stupid generosity: paying the 1800 barine, then not taking the girls at the end of her shift when he returns for her. Or, taking the girl to the room only to sleep with her, no sex, and giving her a 5k tip in the morning. If the korean economy is not so hot, they are certainly driving up prices in AC.
Nope the blame goes squarely on the weekend warrior assholes who know better but just don't care. Hey I spend money because I can. Cool! Maybe next you'll give Starbucks $10 for a coffee that costs $5. Why not? You can afford it.
You suck.The blame goes on any of us who drive up prices anytime we don't have to (that includes me sometimes).
Doppel One
12-09-12, 08:10
A pair of Fields mamas tell me about the korean's exploits and stupid generosity: paying the 1800 barine, then not taking the girls at the end of her shift when he returns for her. Or, taking the girl to the room only to sleep with her, no sex, and giving her a 5k tip in the morning. If the korean economy is not so hot, they are certainly driving up prices in AC.Perhaps the antics of the Koreans in AC explains why the Korean economy isn't so hot. One of my regular 600 piso ST girls, a 3000 spotlight dancer in Dragons Den, told me she was BF'd by a Korean once who, straight from the bar, put her in a taxi and drove her to the airport so she could wave 'bye bye' to him. The guy didn't even want a quick grope in the cab. And of course he tipped her handsomely. Weird.
Price elasticity. Would you feel the same way if you went somewhere that pussy costs twice as much as it does at home? Would you then be happy to give away money like it grew on trees? What you pay now has more than you know to do with what you will pay tomorrow. Rio is an excellent example. When I first srated going in 2001 I could get a girl all night for $25. Thanks to 2 week millionaires you can't get a short time for less than $100 in 2012. All nigjt? Shit you are coming off at least $200. So don't tell me it doesn't matter because I have witnessed it myself.I personally don't overpay that much / often but when I do, I do it when / where I think it is worth it, where and when I think I can get some extra value / quality. The Philippines is such a place. When it comes to macro economics: The market (buyers and sellers) will slowly adjust itself to a price that is reasonable, that reflects value and quality, it takes some years but it will happen and for a huge city like Rio it must have taken perhaps 100, 000 or even a million of "2 week millionaires" for the price to increase that much, the activity of the Rio board will not stop this, you or me negotiating hard with one girl will not change this. And the extra money has been better off in Brazil's economy. To have a lively price-discussion, is healthy but it makes no sense of blaming a few boardmembers for tipping or being generous and RUINING EVERYTHING for everyone else.
Rio is an excellent example. When I first srated going in 2001 I could get a girl all night for $25. Thanks to 2 week millionaires you can't get a short time for less than $100 in 2012. All nigjt? Shit you are coming off at least $200. So don't tell me it doesn't matter because I have witnessed it myself.I will not argue with you about the 2 week millionaires because that was true in the near past. But the real problem now is that thousands of Brasilians can afford to pay those inflated rates plus the fact that back in 2001 the euro was almost at 4 Reais.
Termas 65 at about 450 Reais now. Back then I was hardly paying 170-200.
Thanks
Streetlooker
12-09-12, 18:36
Being that I lived in Korea for 5 yrs married a Korean women and Known a few Korean store owners and restaurant owners for 25 yrs here in the USA and consider them my friends. Its been my experience That Koreans At least IMO do NOT go cheap charlie with there Money IF they decide to spend it on a good time. Most of the Koreans I know work long hard hrs for months and months day after day with little time to do anything else but get a little sleep now and then. But when they decide to go to a casino or on a vacation they blow thru Money like its water. They don't give a rats ass about how much they spend cause its all about the good time. Drinks will flow. I believe the Koreans in AC are a lot like any of these the others. They work all the time save every last penny they can and they blow the money in a short amount of time but eventful vacation and the cycle continues over and over and over
ThatGuy865
12-09-12, 18:51
BTW the average Korean is worse off now then they were ten years ago. Something like half of new hires out of university are on temporary contract and making an average of 6 US dollars an hour. Rent has gone through the roof. The currency isn't so strong either. The Korean won has lost 21. 35% against the Philippines pesos in the last decade. 1000 won gets you less local currency now than it did 10 years ago. A third of college graduates have no job, aren't in further schooling and have no prospects. Average national pay is WAY lower than it is in the US or Japan.
It's way too easy to blame Koreans, especially when you have western guys on this board bragging about all the money they waste.Just becouse there maybe SOME koreans who are struggling doesn't mean those who do have money don't come.
A KOREAN company is building a $300 million USD golf course / Resort on Clark RIGHT NOW. Do you think they are building that for Filippino's
Koreans with money come for the weekend. Golf is HUGE in Korea, Super Expensive and Hard to get Tee time. Plenty come to mix Golf and Girls. They come with Money to blow cause for them its cheap and they come to have fun.
AC will soon be close to like "Vegas" for Asians. They can Gamble, play Golf and women. With Clark daily flights its easy to get to and cheap compared to other SEA locations. New Condo's being built. They are NOT for the budget minded types.
The area is attracting a more "upscale" type Tourist / monger Period. There is nothing anyone can do to stop the rise in Prices. Its more about the development of the area than any ones spending style.
Enjoy it while you can. It is going to get more expensive. That's REALITY.
Mr Enternational
12-09-12, 20:24
Most of the Koreans I know work long hard hrs for months and months day after day with little time to do anything else but get a little sleep now and then.That is probably most of us on this board. But the girls don't see how many times you had to sacrifice and eat hot dogs and noodles for dinner in order to have money for your trip. They don't see that you had to save 5 years not being able to get a much needed new car in order to take the trip. They don't see what is going on backstage. All they see is that Mr. Walking ATM is in town. But as they say where I'm from: YOLO (You Only Live Once)!
Llantarnam
12-09-12, 20:39
I don't blame the girls trying to extort every lose buck you have to throw. I hope prices double or triple as soon as possible, just because you guys can afford it. There are still hidden gems left. I just hope they are not revealed to the big swinging dicks.Wow, such bitterness, and such a poor understanding of global economic forces.
Be careful what you wish for as it may come true. And if the top end price doubles you can be certain that your bit on the side will be looking for an increase too.
Being that I lived in Korea for 5 yrs married a Korean women and Known a few Korean store owners and restaurant owners for 25 yrs here in the USA and consider them my friends. Its been my experience That Koreans At least IMO do NOT go cheap charlie with there Money IF they decide to spend it on a good time. Most of the Koreans I know work long hard hrs for months and months day after day with little time to do anything else but get a little sleep now and then. But when they decide to go to a casino or on a vacation they blow thru Money like its water. They don't give a rats ass about how much they spend cause its all about the good time. Drinks will flow. I believe the Koreans in AC are a lot like any of these the others. They work all the time save every last penny they can and they blow the money in a short amount of time but eventful vacation and the cycle continues over and over and overThey do vacations the right way! You should work hard and save up enough to have a great time and have a great time! Other mongers, not saying all will try and go up to Angeles or Thailand with as little as possible and try to get by as cheap as possible! It's sort of like going to Vegas and budgeting $20 for gambling, catching a couple of shows that aren't very good but cheap and staying at a cheap motel rather then one of the bigger hotels on the strip. Why not wait a little longer, save a little bit more and actually have the time of your life? I know why! Cause you're thinking with the wrong head! I've heard every excuse in the book on why mongers go as cheap as possible and it still doesn't justify it. If you're just going for the cheap sex? Wouldn't you think it's cheaper to just do it at where ever you're at?
When I go down to Angeles, I actually have a blast and never give it a 2nd thought. When I feel like it, I'll buy a couple of buckets of ping pong balls and let loose! When I want to do more then one girl, I go and get two or three or four. If I run into other mongers and we have fun together, I have no problem buying them a drink or two. And I don't buy them a drink or two to be my friend. I actually buy them a drink or two because it makes me feel good. I enjoy being a nice person when I get a chance to at my own will. I'm not saying I'm an ATM, but I'll pick my battles.
YG
Llantarnam
12-09-12, 20:42
going to asia since 1976 when I was working in the oil fields of alaskaDid you take a wrong turn?
Llantarnam
12-09-12, 21:03
I will not argue with you about the 2 week millionaires because that was true in the near past. But the real problem now is that thousands of Brasilians can afford to pay those inflated rates plus the fact that back in 2001 the euro was almost at 4 Reais.
Termas 65 at about 450 Reais now. Back then I was hardly paying 170-200.
ThanksAlways thought Rio was top of the list for mongering. High proportion of lookers, real GFE and a choice of 3 holes. I was last there in 2008 and a 40 minute session in Lumo was about 240 reais.
Would love to go again, but it just isn't value for money.
Soapy Smith
12-09-12, 23:31
Did you take a wrong turn?Do you mean a geographic or a metaphoric wrong turn? Neither turn is far-fetched. Most flights from Detroit or Eastcoast cities to East Asia pass over Alaska on the Westward leg-because it's relatively direct and avoids the headwinds from the Pacific westerlies. Problem is, no airlines that I know of fly nonstop from Alaska to Asia. You have to fly Alaska to the lower 48 states, and then take a hard right turn to Asia. Expensive. That may change as GDP in Asian countries continues to rise, making American tourism relatively cheap and Alaska a prime destination-to climb mountains, see the breathtaking landscapes, and fish for red (I. E, deteriorated, spawned out) salmon (stereotypic swipe at Asian knowledge of NorthAmerican fish).
As for the metaphor, construction and other oilfield jobs in Alaska in the 1970s paid extremely well. High pay and not enough time off on a weekly basis to get anywhere to spend it (other than brothels in Fairbanks and Anchorage or expensive white powder for the nose) put a lot of money in workers pockets for when they did get a month off. So for these workers taking a sharp right turn toward Asia during time off probably didn't seem like a wrong turn whatsoever.
Do you mean a geographic or a metaphoric wrong turn?Did you ever watch bugs bunny?
Stroker Ace88
12-10-12, 04:37
Did you ever watch bugs bunny?Hmm, I knew I should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque. <insert big grin smiley
If anyone wants to gaze into a crystal ball and know what the future of AC will look like due to 'upward pricing pressures' just look at Thailand.[/QUOTE]30 years ago the Phils, Vietnam and Thailand were similar in economies. Vietnam and Thailand understood that if they allowed large birth numbers they would not be able to grow economically because of the cost of education, medical care, and also high unemployment rates. Vietnam and Thailand promoted birth control and sex ed. You see what happened to them. They flourished. The Phils under the influence of the Catholic Church has gone downhill, sadly. But it is the huge number of unemployed young that also makes for fertile grounds (so to speak) for ISG visitors. As long as there is this big pool of unemployed there will be the employment that we enjoy, though the price may increase due to increased tourism and demand. If the Phils ever gets its act together (fat farking chance, unfortunately for the people) it would go the way of the other Southeast countries, and the hobby price would climb proportionately.
if anyone wants to gaze into a crystal ball and know what the future of ac will look like due to 'upward pricing pressures' just look at thailand. there is no comparison between thailand now and 10 years ago. there are now very few 18-22 year olds in the premium go-go bars in pattaya and bkk and the price they demand for st and lt is very high. the average girl / hag in a regular bar beer is probably in her late 20s and of dubious quality. obviously general affluence and the state of the economy is the main factor at play here and of course many girls have more career choices than they did 10 years ago. nowadays if a poor family can survive off the earnings of a girl who is considered the 'runt' of the family they will allow her better looking sister (the stronger gene) to get a college education, a good career and possibly find a decent husband. so the girls left to work in the bars will eventually be the runts of the family litter. be warned, it doesn't always follow that the quality of the girls remains high as prices rise.
luckily the deterioration in overall standards will not affect the more erudite and savvy members of the board who will adapt and work out how to get quality girls at still affordable prices elsewhere. but the lazy mongers, the cursed 'one week millionaires', who want it all on a plate because they have the 'cash to splash' will find themselves in an increasingly small pond competing for fewer and fewer pieces of top notch pussy. well, guys, you only have yourselves to blame.
i actually hold the view that the future for ac as a mongering destination is fairly bleak anyway due mainly to the expansion of clark airport which is destined to become the 2nd airport of manila. young vacationers and backpacker types, and by that i include western women, are starting to arrive at clark in order to explore the philippines and many of them overnight in ac staying at the hotels on fields av and along perimeter. this initial trickle of non-mongering tourists will soon become a flood and when it does the whole nature of ac will rapidly change. in ten years time the average price of an ewr may be 4000. but will the ac we currently know and love still exist? i think not.i am sorry, but i have to disagree with you that this expansion of the clark airport as a second one will doomed ac. the building of good infrastructure and the philippines do not go together. for the clark airport to be fully functional and practical, the philippines government will need to build a good skyway highway [like the one we see in bangkok going from the airport to the down town] and high speed rail link to the ortegas / makati / fort areas of manila, and i do not see this happening in the philippines within the next 10-20 years. there is just too much corruption, traffic, and dis functional government. it could happen in vietnam, but the philippines is no vietnam that is for sure!
in terms of the prices going up, i do not see that happening either unless ac gets the same volume of russian, korean, and other foreign tourist as thailand. pattaya and bangkok are definately more expensive because of this, but thailand offers a much better and safe vacation environment that ac. ac is a dump and is dirty during the day time. hardly tourist friendly compare to pattaya or bangkok. its value is only at night to the mongers!
Soapy Smith
12-10-12, 06:31
Did you ever watch bugs bunny?Elmer Fudd called them wong turns. Not the same thing. The roadrunner, on the other hand, wouldn't have worked without wrong turns.
LeknomForMe
12-10-12, 06:38
Do you mean a geographic or a metaphoric wrong turn? Neither turn is far-fetched. Most flights from Detroit or Eastcoast cities to East Asia pass over Alaska on the Westward leg-because it's relatively direct and avoids the headwinds from the Pacific westerlies. Problem is, no airlines that I know of fly nonstop from Alaska to Asia. You have to fly Alaska to the lower 48 states, and then take a hard right turn to Asia. Expensive. That may change as GDP in Asian countries continues to rise, making American tourism relatively cheap and Alaska a prime destination-to climb mountains, see the breathtaking landscapes, and fish for red (I. E, deteriorated, spawned out) salmon (stereotypic swipe at Asian knowledge of NorthAmerican fish).
As for the metaphor, construction and other oilfield jobs in Alaska in the 1970s paid extremely well. High pay and not enough time off on a weekly basis to get anywhere to spend it (other than brothels in Fairbanks and Anchorage or expensive white powder for the nose) put a lot of money in workers pockets for when they did get a month off. So for these workers taking a sharp right turn toward Asia during time off probably didn't seem like a wrong turn whatsoever.Sounds like you might have spent some time there yourself did you ever live in fbks? I was there from 73 to 86, maybe we bumped elbows at tommy's elbow room if you did.
Fast Eddie 48
12-10-12, 23:02
That is probably most of us on this board. But the girls don't see how many times you had to sacrifice and eat hot dogs and noodles for dinner in order to have money for your trip. They don't see that you had to save 5 years not being able to get a much needed new car in order to take the trip. They don't see what is going on backstage. All they see is that Mr. Walking ATM is in town. But as they say where I'm from: YOLO (You Only Live Once)!To Mr Enternational.
What a joke you have to eat Hot Dog for 5 yr to save enough money so you can take a trip to AC to have your Hot dog eaten by a AC girl, I feel so sorry for you and I thought you are a big time traveller.
Fast Eddie 48
Soapy Smith
12-11-12, 07:23
did you ever live in fbks? I was there from 73 to 86A little bigger town a day's drive south of there, from 76 to 90.
To Mr Enternational.
What a joke you have to eat Hot Dog for 5 yr to save enough money so you can take a trip to AC to have your Hot dog eaten by a AC girl, I feel so sorry for you and I thought you are a big time traveller.
Fast Eddie 48I guess the differences between our circumstances and that we choose to to go to AC are a big leveller.
Some have had failed marriages or businesses, some affected by the GFC. Some are quite young and earning good money, some are retired or preparing for it.
Some live much closer than the US or EU, so travel is much more affordable.
Heard an annecdote about perceived wealth many years ago. Kerry Packer was sitting at a bar in Vegas and a 30 something year old guy was sitting next to him. Kerry was having a quiet drink. The 30 something yo guy was telling Kerry that he'd made 28million in the Texas oil fields and was incredibly rich. Kerry was a gambler, and was also a multi billionaire publisher. Kerry pulled a coin from his pocket and said "I'll toss you for it." The Texas millionaire stopped bothering him.
Let's respect the fellow mongerer as just that, a fellow mongerer. No judging (and this isn't directed at FE48 or anyone else in particular) no sniping at each other. Let's support each other in our shared hobby instead of trying to score cheap points. Everyone has opinions, and everyone has different levels of experience. If someone's opinion differs from yours, who cares? Don't abuse them for it! If someone gives factually wrong info, correct them in a respectful way with a link to a good source of fact.
The keyboard warrior troll does nothing to raise the level of discussion or enjoyment of our little hobby.
Let's respect the fellow mongerer as just that, a fellow mongerer. No judging (and this isn't directed at FE48 or anyone else in particular) no sniping at each other. Let's support each other in our shared hobby instead of trying to score cheap points. Everyone has opinions, and everyone has different levels of experience. If someone's opinion differs from yours, who cares? Don't abuse them for it! If someone gives factually wrong info, correct them in a respectful way with a link to a good source of fact. Good Luck Vader! If you spent more than a day on this board you know this won't happen, too many personas here. We can't all get along; plus let's face it, some guys are easy to wind up while many others live for the forum wars. Some of them are way more interesting than actual field reports.
Good Luck Vader! If you spent more than a day on this board you know this won't happen, too many personas here. We can't all get along; plus let's face it, some guys are easy to wind up while many others live for the forum wars. Some of them are way more interesting than actual field reports.Yeah I know.
But if it causes a few to pause and think it's worth it.
Those into forum wars aren't really interested in the mongering, and I hope the admins "encourage" them to go elsewhere.
I know online utopia is but a dream but we can mow the lawn every now and then.
My observation has been that Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia have expended rapidly because of two main factors. The first is long term strategic vision. The second has been national investment in education.
Certainly in Malaysia and Singapore, both have been helped by national leaders who created long term strategic vision and then drove them for 30 years.
G.
If anyone wants to gaze into a crystal ball and know what the future of AC will look like due to 'upward pricing pressures' just look at Thailand.30 years ago the Phils, Vietnam and Thailand were similar in economies. Vietnam and Thailand understood that if they allowed large birth numbers they would not be able to grow economically because of the cost of education, medical care, and also high unemployment rates. Vietnam and Thailand promoted birth control and sex ed. You see what happened to them. They flourished. The Phils under the influence of the Catholic Church has gone downhill, sadly. But it is the huge number of unemployed young that also makes for fertile grounds (so to speak) for ISG visitors. As long as there is this big pool of unemployed there will be the employment that we enjoy, though the price may increase due to increased tourism and demand. If the Phils ever gets its act together (fat farking chance, unfortunately for the people) it would go the way of the other Southeast countries, and the hobby price would climb proportionately.[/QUOTE]
FruitNinja
12-11-12, 12:22
Just becouse there maybe SOME koreans who are struggling doesn't mean those who do have money don't come.
A KOREAN company is building a $300 million USD golf course / Resort on Clark RIGHT NOW. Do you think they are building that for Filippino's
Koreans with money come for the weekend. Golf is HUGE in Korea, Super Expensive and Hard to get Tee time. Plenty come to mix Golf and Girls. They come with Money to blow cause for them its cheap and they come to have fun.
AC will soon be close to like "Vegas" for Asians. They can Gamble, play Golf and women. With Clark daily flights its easy to get to and cheap compared to other SEA locations. New Condo's being built. They are NOT for the budget minded types.
The area is attracting a more "upscale" type Tourist / monger Period. There is nothing anyone can do to stop the rise in Prices. Its more about the development of the area than any ones spending style.
Enjoy it while you can. It is going to get more expensive. That's REALITY.I think it's easy for a lot of guys that are more cost conscious to blame other mongers for increased cost. And although that may somewhat influence cost I think other things are more to blame. Although there is economic pressure on most of the world there are a lot of people earning a lot of money and those people are starting to use that money. I live in an upper middle class suburb of a major US metropolitan area. Trust me, there is no economic problem here. The town I'm in has a lot of upscale restaurants and you better have a reservation. You know what? You better have one in the city or you're not eating.
A few miles from me is an upscale mall. And by high end I mean Neiman Marcus, Tiffany's, Coach, and almost all the little boutique stores you'll fin on Rodeo Drive. You want to buy your girlfriend a necklace at Tiffany's you better expect to wait an hour in line during the Christmas season. In the cold. And the parking lts are full or Rovers, Benzes, and Beemers, Porsches and I'm guessing a few exotics. I'm guessing these people with money are in other countries of the world that have wealth. Korea, Japan, Europe, and others.
The people that sell know about this money. They peddle to it. (Korean Golf Course) I was dating a young cutie a few years ago. Hot 23 year old and I was 53. We went to Vegas for New Years and our dinner was over $2500 at the Parisian. Now that's probably the craziest thing I've done. I'm in my 50's have worked hard all my life. I'm at a point in life where if I wanted to I can comfortably retire. My home is paid for. I have no debt. I eat out 90% of the time. I give to charity in many ways. Some weeks I spend $600 for P4P here. Now! I'm not bragging. I'm very grateful for my life BUT! I'm not traveling around the world to some third world country to have fun and let loose then get there to pinch pennies. Not grab a cutie because she's asking $5 more than the established rate. I mean guys. Lets be real. A cup of Starbucks is $5. So yes, the little head is definitely doing the talking but for me it's more about common sense as anything else. I came here to have fun. If she's hot she's mine.
Now inasmuch as this doesn't sit well with everyone it's the lay of the land. It's life. Not everyone can be equal. You know what. I'm a car guy, I have a vintage convertible. There are a lot of other cars that I would like but guess what? I can't afford it. It makes no sense with my budget. But you know what? That doesn't make Jay Leno a jag-off because he has 100's of cars. Hey, I'm happy watching specials about his cars on TV.
So, don't blame your fellow monger, blame it on economic forces that are out of anyones control. You're not going to get Jay to quit buying cars just as you're not going to get me to stop going to Starbucks. I would be sick if I calculated how much I spend there. I'm visiting family in another state and on my smart phone I'm looking at the temperatures in Thailand and the Philippines. It's fucking cold here. I'm going to be there soon and I'm not looking to blow my wad in one night but I'm certainly not going to let 10-20 dollars ruin a night for me.
I used to go to the countries of the FSU and quite honestly I feel that I'm priced out of that market. I'm not on the boards crying about it. I've found a way to get comprable quality here for a little less so why travel? I've done the tourist thing. And it does me no good to bash the guys that are still doing Moscow and Kiev.
Sorry I don't mean to rain on anyones parade, but that's my reality. I don't expect Jay to sell his cars so he and I are equal. It's jsut not how it works.
Simon says. Have fun
You don't have to give me examples of how the rich financial parasites are fucking up the world for the regular Joe. I live in New York so I've been seeing it first hand for decades. Sad to see it spread to Asia now.
Yea Koreans with more money than they need blow their wads just like Americans and Euros in similar positions do. That's my point. It's not about the money. The average Joe in Korea in Japan is worse off now than he was 10 years ago, same as USA. The world is becoming more and more the rich man's oyster and the regular man's shell.
FruitNinja
12-11-12, 14:42
You don't have to give me examples of how the rich financial parasites are fucking up the world for the regular Joe. I live in New York so I've been seeing it first hand for decades. Sad to see it spread to Asia now.
Yea Koreans with more money than they need blow their wads just like Americans and Euros in similar positions do. That's my point. It's not about the money. The average Joe in Korea in Japan is worse off now than he was 10 years ago, same as USA. The world is becoming more and more the rich man's oyster and the regular man's shell.Don't be sensitive. The post wasn't directed at you in any way. But I think that the crying here about pricing is sometimes out of hand and that too many guys get hammered because they want to live life within their means. The point I was trying to make is that a few mongers that overpay are not the force driving the inflation. So why get in all these flame wars about it?
As far as the financial divide. You're 100% right. But I don't know that this is the forum to discuss those inequities. I read a lot of the Asian forums and you seem very price sensitive. You slam Cambodia because of the pricing. Complaining is not ging to change the realities. As omnipotent as we like o think we are regardless of the level of success we've achieved in life has very little bearing on what we can change around us. That's evident in out politics here in the US and might I say a lot of other places around the world. What makes me thing that guys on the down low (underground) will have much luck in organizing to affect any kind of change. Never happen. The guy with more money is not going to sacrifice his happiness for the betterment of the general population. And you and I both know that if the shoes were reversed we would be the same. Human nature. Just like our desire for thrusting between them sweet smooth Asian thighs.
Simon Says. Have fun
Mr Enternational
12-11-12, 16:29
To Mr Enternational.
What a joke you have to eat Hot Dog for 5 yr to save enough money so you can take a trip to AC to have your Hot dog eaten by a AC girl, I feel so sorry for you and I thought you are a big time traveller.
Fast Eddie 48I was not speaking about myself per se. I was speaking about vacationers in general. Not everyone is loaded and has 20 weeks paid vacation time like you Fast Eddie. Some people actually have to make sacrifices and save up over time for their vacations. Look around, look around. Most people have never left the city they were born in. And if you think the majority are beneath you because they are not able to pick up and go to AC or any other place on a whim as you may be able to do then you need to wake up and step down from your ivory tower.
I was not always as fortunate as I am now. I was born in the ghetto. I did not always have a car. I had to walk and take public transportation. I watched friends eating packs of ketchup and hot sauce while we were in the university because they did not have money for food. (Some of those same friends are high ranking military officers now. One even works at the White House.) I have been on both sides of the tracks so I am able to sympathize with and understand different types of people. No matter what you have now it could be gone in a flash at any moment. Remember the toes you step on today may be connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow. (Coincidence that this is today's comic.)
Even very rich people tend to economize when they come to AC. Some week end millionaires tend to splurge.
Few years ago barfine was 600-800 pesos. Now 1500-3000. It is not necessarily because some people throw lots of money.
AC will be there as long as economy and population keep supplying young girls to the industry. Bars have lots of expenses including raising per diem to employees, increase in rent, electricity, liquor prices etc.
Only those like me who have been going regualarly for the last 20 years or so see the difference. Newbies still think it is a bargain compared to prices they pay at home.
LeknomForMe
12-11-12, 17:17
I guess the differences between our circumstances and that we choose to to go to AC are a big leveller.
Some have had failed marriages or businesses, some affected by the GFC. Some are quite young and earning good money, some are retired or preparing for it.
Some live much closer than the US or EU, so travel is much more affordable.
Heard an annecdote about perceived wealth many years ago. Kerry Packer was sitting at a bar in Vegas and a 30 something year old guy was sitting next to him. Kerry was having a quiet drink. The 30 something yo guy was telling Kerry that he'd made 28million in the Texas oil fields and was incredibly rich. Kerry was a gambler, and was also a multi billionaire publisher. Kerry pulled a coin from his pocket and said "I'll toss you for it." The Texas millionaire stopped bothering him.
Let's respect the fellow mongerer as just that, a fellow mongerer. No judging (and this isn't directed at FE48 or anyone else in particular) no sniping at each other. Let's support each other in our shared hobby instead of trying to score cheap points. Everyone has opinions, and everyone has different levels of experience. If someone's opinion differs from yours, who cares? Don't abuse them for it! If someone gives factually wrong info, correct them in a respectful way with a link to a good source of fact.
The keyboard warrior troll does nothing to raise the level of discussion or enjoyment of our little hobby.Bravo VaderBule, well said and so true. We all come from different economic and social situations but are here for the same goal, to enjoy the fruits of asia.
Leknomforme
MutantChicken
12-11-12, 18:39
Right now AC would be called dead, in practically every bar the girls would outnumber guys 4 to 1 if not more but nevertheless the p[rices would remain the same, and given the penalties for sneak out bgiven my limited experience it would seem hard to achieve.
I have on offdays ie days where my libido was low staked out the street waiting for girls comming home from work and there are deinately opportunties, but it confl; icts with my personality as I am impatient and I don't want to pick the left overs just so I can save a bit of money so that seems a hard way of doing things. I also haven't trried the buy a ladies drink and pass on my details and play the number games as I'm a guy that when I want to get alid I will get laid not wait around for when the girls get money desperate, but I was lucky enuff to get passed some details of girls from a fellow member so I will invest a bit of time in that option.
My experiences with girls in AC is that in the 2000-3000 range you would get girls as attractive as girls in EDSA, makati, subic or Cebu for the same or cheaper price.
But one of the activities for me in AC is to bar hop in the perimiter bars ie in the 1200-1500 range trying to find a hidden gem, so far I have bar fined two, one turned out to be a sweet but disspointing star fish, the other had hidden stretchmarks, and I nwas unlucky enuff to bar fine her as her period just started, and even tho they could be technically a runner, the sweet way in which they asked to be released early made it hard for me to be upset, never the less I just gave them 100 taxi rather than a sizable tip.
And hence thats the problem with botom feeding in that whist it possible to find hidden gems most tend to be dissppointments, but then the dissappointment is only 35USD for 4-6hrs company and unrushed sex I can't see why people get so upset about runners. I would rather have a runner leave rather have her share my bad in a bad mood.
So when you compare AC 35 USD for unrushed sex up to a max of 70-80 for a model with a good chance of overnights as most girls who wanted to leave early used the baby as the excuse / reason, compared to vietnam 30usd / 1hr at a local brothel, Thailand soi 6 35usd I hr, Cambodia 30usd 1-2hrs it doesn't make AC looks so bad pricewise.
Speaking of pricing, I'm kinda tired of all the blame being places on the koreans, japanese etc, because in my home turf ie vietnam, its the white guys who are guilty of overpaying, and being the cause of hyper inflation but I would be a fool to blame it on a general racial class. In EVERY racial group tehre are the guys who are the cheap charlies ie try and be cheap to the point of ruining your vacation, guys who are worldly and price savvy, guys who have the money and don't mind paying a bit extra, guys who don't have the money but try and use money to buy the girls attention and finally guys who are stupid with money and who use the excuse because its more expensive in their own country. To me the last two types are the ones least worthy of respect, neverthe less in AC and in Thailand where everything is well exposed, then each to there own.
All I can say is that if anyone has any hidden gems ie places or cities that hasnt be written about, I would suggest that it remain unbroadcasted.
In the end of the day whilst it cannot be denied that your week millionaires / overspenders contribute to the price inflation, but it would be one of many contributing factors, so as one tiny leaf in this current of humanity it it is predicted that in 10yrs time a bar fine will be 4000, then all I need to do is keep ahead of of the price inflation, because thats all one can do, no point about complaining about the stupid majority who will continue to do what they will do, and to be secretive if one was to find any gems.
Guys are getting upset about xyz overpaying, but if for example I take a girl for 1500, then I take her bar hopping, take her to dinner at a italian place take her to the movie and I spend 1000, which is never reported, but if I was to take her to the hotel and we have a relaxing night watching tv and fucking, then I report that I tipped her 1000, then I'd be flamed as being someone who is ruining the market. The girls would rather have a extra tipp than being dragged around to places they don't really enjoy anyway.
My two cents
MutantChicken
12-11-12, 19:12
Right now AC would be called dead, in practically every bar the girls would outnumber guys 4 to 1 if not more but nevertheless the p[rices would remain the same, and given the penalties for sneak out bgiven my limited experience it would seem hard to achieve.
I have on offdays ie days where my libido was low staked out the street waiting for girls comming home from work and there are deinately opportunties, but it confl; icts with my personality as I am impatient and I don't want to pick the left overs just so I can save a bit of money so that seems a hard way of doing things. I also haven't trried the buy a ladies drink and pass on my details and play the number games as I'm a guy that when I want to get alid I will get laid not wait around for when the girls get money desperate, but I was lucky enuff to get passed some details of girls from a fellow member so I will invest a bit of time in that option.
My experiences with girls in AC is that in the 2000-3000 range you would get girls as attractive as girls in EDSA, makati, subic or Cebu for the same or cheaper price.
But one of the activities for me in AC is to bar hop in the perimiter bars ie in the 1200-1500 range trying to find a hidden gem, so far I have bar fined two, one turned out to be a sweet but disspointing star fish, the other had hidden stretchmarks, and I nwas unlucky enuff to bar fine her as her period just started, and even tho they could be technically a runner, the sweet way in which they asked to be released early made it hard for me to be upset, never the less I just gave them 100 taxi rather than a sizable tip.
And hence thats the problem with botom feeding in that whist it possible to find hidden gems most tend to be dissppointments, but then the dissappointment is only 35USD for 4-6hrs company and unrushed sex I can't see why people get so upset about runners. I would rather have a runner leave rather have her share my bad in a bad mood.
So when you compare AC 35 USD for unrushed sex up to a max of 70-80 for a model with a good chance of overnights as most girls who wanted to leave early used the baby as the excuse / reason, compared to vietnam 30usd / 1hr at a local brothel, Thailand soi 6 35usd I hr, Cambodia 30usd 1-2hrs it doesn't make AC looks so bad pricewise.
Speaking of pricing, I'm kinda tired of all the blame being places on the koreans, japanese etc, because in my home turf ie vietnam, its the white guys who are guilty of overpaying, and being the cause of hyper inflation but I would be a fool to blame it on a general racial class. In EVERY racial group tehre are the guys who are the cheap charlies ie try and be cheap to the point of ruining your vacation, guys who are worldly and price savvy, guys who have the money and don't mind paying a bit extra, guys who don't have the money but try and use money to buy the girls attention and finally guys who are stupid with money and who use the excuse because its more expensive in their own country. To me the last two types are the ones least worthy of respect, neverthe less in AC and in Thailand where everything is well exposed, then each to there own.
All I can say is that if anyone has any hidden gems ie places or cities that hasnt be written about, I would suggest that it remain unbroadcasted.
In the end of the day whilst it cannot be denied that your week millionaires / overspenders contribute to the price inflation, but it would be one of many contributing factors, so as one tiny leaf in this current of humanity it it is predicted that in 10yrs time a bar fine will be 4000, then all I need to do is keep ahead of of the price inflation, because thats all one can do, no point about complaining about the stupid majority who will continue to do what they will do, and to be secretive if one was to find any gems.
Guys are getting upset about xyz overpaying, but if for example I take a girl for 1500, then I take her bar hopping, take her to dinner at a italian place take her to the movie and I spend 1000, which is never reported, but if I was to take her to the hotel and we have a relaxing night watching tv and fucking, then I report that I tipped her 1000, then I'd be flamed as being someone who is ruining the market. The girls would rather have a extra tipp than being dragged around to places they don't really enjoy anyway.
My two cents
Streetlooker
12-11-12, 21:24
Just because you have millions or billions don't mean you should over pay for something just cause you can. If a billionaire wants a cheeseburger and it cost $3. 50. Should he pay 10 dollars just for the hell of it?
Just because you have millions or billions don't mean you should over pay for something just cause you can. If a billionaire wants a cheeseburger and it cost $3. 50. Should he pay 10 dollars just for the hell of it?Nope, but he will pay the 10 for the better looking burger with more toppings that actually uses real hamburger meat. Sorta like the McDonalds Burger are the cheap 1000-2000 Peso girls and the high end restaurant burgers are the 3000-4000 Peso girls. Some people may settle for 2 hamburgers rather then the fancier burger. There is no wrong way to do it, just do it the way you want to do it.
Should he pay 10 dollars just for the hell of it?If he wants to pay $10, let him pay $10, or go to www.internationalburgerprice.com And predict / discuss if his outrageous spending habits will result in Burgerking and McDonalds doubling their burgerprices. Or go out and have another burger, with cheese.
Member #4410
12-11-12, 22:59
I guess the differences between our circumstances and that we choose to to go to AC are a big leveller.
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Let's respect the fellow mongerer as just that, a fellow mongerer. No judging (and this isn't directed at FE48 or anyone else in particular) no sniping at each other. Let's support each other in our shared hobby instead of trying to score cheap points. Everyone has opinions, and everyone has different levels of experience. If someone's opinion differs from yours, who cares? Don't abuse them for it! If someone gives factually wrong info, correct them in a respectful way with a link to a good source of fact.
The keyboard warrior troll does nothing to raise the level of discussion or enjoyment of our little hobby.This particular "contributor" has been on my ignore list for a long time (in fact he's the only one) but this feature does not work when someone replies to his twaddle.
"Fast Eddie" has not contributed a single Field Report or photograph to any thread in this site. His only contribution over the past years has been short messages filled with grammatical and spelling errors and full of negative comments about others. I suspect he has never left his keyboard and only travels in his mind. I am also pretty sure that he will try to send me a pm filled with invective, which will be blocked because of the ignore function <grin
Regards,
Ko
FruitNinja
12-11-12, 23:30
Just because you have millions or billions don't mean you should over pay for something just cause you can. If a billionaire wants a cheeseburger and it cost $3. 50. Should he pay 10 dollars just for the hell of it?That one should arbitrarily go around overpaying for anything. What I am saying is if I have a hottie standing if front of me and she wants 3000 for overnight and I'm really smitten with her I won't pop for the 3K. I might try one shot at a lower price but if I want her I'm not letting her walk. I might feel a tinge of guilt for overpaying but I'll get over it back at the room.
No one can stop people to overpay.
The only thing one can do is to keep the hidden gems secret and only share with those well known.
I doubt someone would pay a girl 3000 pesos when she is asking for 2000 pesos or less. Let's be realistic here. No matter where you're from, you're not that stupid. If people are overpaying, it could be because the girls are actually asking for that price. There really isn't a "how to monger guide" available if you don't know about these websites. In fact, I doubt there is one for people that can't read English huh? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Chris Long
12-12-12, 04:16
I will be making my first trip out to AC next month. Will be there Jan 4 until the 12. Will anyone else be there at that time.
Where is the best place for me to exchange my money. I would like to get the best exchange rate possible.
Thanks.
Chris
Just because you have millions or billions don't mean you should over pay for something just cause you can. If a billionaire wants a cheeseburger and it cost $3. 50. Should he pay 10 dollars just for the hell of it?These guys are weak in the face of pussy. Period. That's why they do it. Probably never get any action they don't pay for. That's fine, not everyone's a playboy, but it fucks things up for the recreational monger.
Of course they would never walk into a McDonald's in AC and hand over double the asking rate for a hamburger "because it's still cheaper than what I pay at home." Everyone would think they were an idiot for doing so. But when it comes to mongering, somehow it becomes okay.
They forget that they're purchasing a service and instead think they're buying love.
Pete Benetar
12-12-12, 07:02
They forget that they're purchasing a service and instead think they're buying love.I stick with the "Buying Love" camp; at least that's what I tell them every - time - I -"OH GAWD I LOVE U!"
Chris Long
12-12-12, 07:16
Just because you have millions or billions don't mean you should over pay for something just cause you can. If a billionaire wants a cheeseburger and it cost $3. 50. Should he pay 10 dollars just for the hell of it?Anyone who overpays just because they have the money was born into it, they didn't earn it. Anyone who earned that kind of money doesn't throw it away or overpay just because they can, look at Rockefeller who came from obscurity and obtained great wealth and power, he was extremely tight and did everything he could to spend less than the market rate for whatever he wanted. Even though he could afford to pay many times the market rate, only towards the end did he give money away for civil projects and even then it was a calculated move to divert public animosity away from him and an attempt to gain positive public opinion. Only those born with a silver spoon in their mouth and allowed to keep it because of a weakened inheritance tax structure (I thought we fought a revolution against inherited wealth and power, I'm reminded of the marriage of Figaro, what did you do to deserve the wealth and power but take the time to be born).
Anyone who throws it away just because they can is either a fool or they were born into it, they didn't earn it on their own.
ThatGuy865
12-12-12, 15:47
Anyone who overpays just because they have the money was born into it, they didn't earn it. Anyone who earned that kind of money doesn't throw it away or overpay just because they can,
Anyone who throws it away just because they can is either a fool or they were born into it, they didn't earn it on their own.I don't see it that way.
There are MANY guys who work HARD to put aside "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off" money each year to let off steam. So when they go on vacation. They do not want or need to sweat the small stuff. That is how they blow off steam to sort of speak.
There are many Guys back home. Who would say we ALL Are fools spending 1k on flight, flying 12 to 14 hrs to a 3rd world shit hole to pay for a girl. Having nothing tangible to show, throwing away good hard earned money. And only a fool would do so. So how one spends money is very subjective.
The fact that a girl asks 3k and a guy has the money / budget so he doesn't TRY to haggle her down to 2k. Is just the same.
There are people on every stratosphere of earnings. In the Past BEFORE the internet / youtube. AC was mainly a "word of mouth" location. So it was generally the same "Budget" type of monger coming.
Once it got INTERNATIONAL pubilicty. It changed AC forever. Forever? . Yes forever. There is no turning back the clock. You now have "Upscale" tourist who can afford the higher prices coming and they will only increase.
Streetlooker
12-12-12, 21:36
AAAH! The good ol days when a girl had nothing to do but make you happy. I remember my uniforms were always ironed and my boots shined to perfection. Girls would have nothing to do all day but wait for you in the room and watch TV till you got home. Those where some fun times. Never had a runner back then either But they sure were harder to get rid of
Llantarnam
12-12-12, 21:37
Of course they would never walk into a McDonald's in AC and hand over double the asking rate for a hamburger "because it's still cheaper than what I pay at home."Not a very accurate analogy, given that I've never known anyone offer to pay twice the rate that a girl asked for! A more accurate analogy would be if there was a McDonalds selling burgers for $3. 50 and next door was a gourmet burger shop selling top of the line burgers for $5. 00. You'ld be telling everyone not to buy the posh nosh because you can't afford it.
LeknomForMe
12-12-12, 22:05
If he wants to pay $10, let him pay $10, or go to.
www.internationalburgerprice.com
And predict / discuss if his outrageous spending habits will result in Burgerking and McDonalds doubling their burgerprices. Or go out and have another burger, with cheese.Hopefully not a fur burger with cheese.
Mr Enternational
12-12-12, 23:25
A more accurate analogy would be if there was a McDonalds selling burgers for $3. 50 and next door was a gourmet burger shop selling top of the line burgers for $5. 00. You'ld be telling everyone not to buy the posh nosh because you can't afford it.And if Jolibee touted itself as said gourmet burger shop some people would flock to it and swear by it because of the word "gourmet", which I learned in grad school is usually no better but just an indication that you will have to pay more money.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gourmet
Fast Eddie 48
12-13-12, 00:57
I don't see it that way.
There are MANY guys who work HARD to put aside "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off" money each year to let off steam. So when they go on vacation. They do not want or need to sweat the small stuff. That is how they blow off steam to sort of speak.
There are many Guys back home. Who would say we ALL Are fools spending 1k on flight, flying 12 to 14 hrs to a 3rd world shit hole to pay for a girl. Having nothing tangible to show, throwing away good hard earned money. And only a fool would do so. So how one spends money is very subjective.
The fact that a girl asks 3k and a guy has the money / budget so he doesn't TRY to haggle her down to 2k. Is just the same.
There are people on every stratosphere of earnings. In the Past BEFORE the internet / youtube. AC was mainly a "word of mouth" location. So it was generally the same "Budget" type of monger coming.
Once it got INTERNATIONAL pubilicty. It changed AC forever. Forever? . Yes forever. There is no turning back the clock. You now have "Upscale" tourist who can afford the higher prices coming and they will only increase.To Thatguy.
That is so true I know many guys from the US only get one vacations a yr take a 2 week monger holiday to AC and Thailand don't even want to paid 2k peso for a hot young bar girl instead go to blow row everynight and get a average girl, I told them you spend all the money to get here once a yr and want to save 20 USD for what you only live once.
Fast Eddie 48
Not a very accurate analogy, given that I've never known anyone offer to pay twice the rate that a girl asked for! A more accurate analogy would be if there was a McDonalds selling burgers for $3. 50 and next door was a gourmet burger shop selling top of the line burgers for $5. 00. You'ld be telling everyone not to buy the posh nosh because you can't afford it.Nope, my analogy is right on the money. We're talking people who pay OVER the asking price, I. E. They tip over the already greatly-inflated barfine, get suckered into paying over the market price, etc.
We're not talking about people who take a "spotlight dancer" for 3000 pesos instead of a waitress for 1800.
Your analogy would better apply to people who go to Macau spas rather than AC Go Go dumps.
Hi I am going to be going to AC on January 7-13 if anyone is around then and wants to meet up for a beer let me know.
Does anyone have information about Pacific Breeze or ABC hotel? I have a reservation at each but not sure which one to go with.
Thanks for the advice.
Also can you go surfing in Subic beach?
Cheers,
Surfer
Screaming Beaver
12-13-12, 07:47
Also can you go surfing in Subic beach?Yeah sure and you also don't need to bring your surfboard since there should be plenty of turds floating in the water:
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/322583/clear-present-danger-to-subic-bay
sorry this took so long. i have been very busy at work. had to go to loredo, texas last week. went across the border to nuevo laredo which was suddenly extremely safe. i will work on a report on that thread soon.
anyway on my fourth day in ac i went to the famous angeles fried chicken on marlim blvd for lunch. it tasted like kfc. i should have ordered my chicken crispy. i think it was quite good but nothing to die for.
that night i visited several bars recently mentioned here on isg:
players at around 6:00 pm: most girls are dds alright, but so were the rest of their bodies, especially their stomachs. i didn't see anyone who fit rhea's description. i didn't ask.
next, off to genesis: not bad but did not see any girl that i like so i did not hang around.
brown sugar around 7:30 pm: all the waitresses & mamasans were hotter than the girls on stage. they were truly hot. i should have bf one of them.
ponytails: i arrived at 7:55 pm. 5 minutes before happy hour and 'who let the dogs out' competition ended. ordered a drink and got a number for the raffle. i won a t-shirt. how cool is that? i would have picked one of the dance girls in black bikini except that they moved so fast and immediately disappeared after their routine.
i ended up picking a very short very pretty polynesian-looking mindanao-visayas girl named ali (white i'd tag #1107). terrible, terrible choice. she was worse than star fish. at least star fish let you fuck her! when we got to the room, she won't do anything: no bj, nothing. i screwed her for a few minutes (less than 10 minutes, really) then i quit. i thought maybe if i stop for a while we could resume later in a better mood. wrong. she immediately went to sleep. i tried to wake her up about two hours later but she won't (or pretended not to) wake up. what could i do? i couldn't force her. that would be [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). so i went to sleep too. i woke up around 8 in the morning and again tried to wake her. she refused to wake up. then suddenly at about 9 am, her phone rang. she got up, looked at the phone and said her cousin is waiting for her. she dressed in like a minute and took off. i was in shock. never in my decades of mongering have i encountered a situation like this which i felt completely helpless.
that night i went back to ponytails and complained to the management. the manager (i think his name was rudy but i'm not sure) and one of the mamasan questioned the girl in the office. the manager then came out and told me that the girl told them i fucked her twice the night before. it was her word against mine and they totally believed her.
well, i will never step into ponytails again even if they have all the miss philippines naked on their dance floor!
one last report coming up.
Soapy Smith
12-13-12, 09:06
Also can you go surfing in Subic beach?SB (and his news report) told you what you need to know about surfing at Subic. If you're bent on surfing in Luzon, a better alternative is San Juan in La Union Province. It's just North of San Fernando, the capital of La Union. Buses go from Angeles to San Fernando, about three hours, plus or minus, North of AC. You can find routes and approximate travel times online. The buses probably continue on past San Juan, but there are also jeepneys and maybe trikes that can get you from San Fernando to San Juan. Waves aren't great, but there are a number of resorts that rent boards. The surfing scenes in Apocalypse Now were filmed there. Beaches just a little North of the surfing area are decent. Some recent posts in the Other Areas thread have also reported on the pfp scene in areas near San Fernando, including Bauang, which was an American military outpost some years ago.
Mr Enternational
12-13-12, 09:23
Ponytails:I ended up picking a very short very pretty Polynesian-looking Mindanao-Visayas girl named Ali (white I'd tag #1107). Terrible, terrible choice. She was worse than star fish. At least star fish let you fuck her! When we got to the room, she won't do anything: no BJ, nothing. I screwed her for a few minutes (less than 10 minutes, really) then I quit.LOL. That is fucked up bro. Worse than a star fish? See that is the point when I take my dick out and jack off all over her face. I guess that is why many guys choose Blow Row. You never see guys complaining after a session with one of those girls. Some go for style while others prefer reliability.
My observation has been that Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia have expended rapidly because of two main factors. The first is long term strategic vision. The second has been national investment in education.
Certainly in Malaysia and Singapore, both have been helped by national leaders who created long term strategic vision and then drove them for 30 years.
G.
30 years ago the Phils, Vietnam and Thailand were similar in economies. Vietnam and Thailand understood that if they allowed large birth numbers they would not be able to grow economically because of the cost of education, medical care, and also high unemployment rates. Vietnam and Thailand promoted birth control and sex ed. You see what happened to them. They flourished. The Phils under the influence of the Catholic Church has gone downhill, sadly. But it is the huge number of unemployed young that also makes for fertile grounds (so to speak) for ISG visitors. As long as there is this big pool of unemployed there will be the employment that we enjoy, though the price may increase due to increased tourism and demand. If the Phils ever gets its act together (fat farking chance, unfortunately for the people) it would go the way of the other Southeast countries, and the hobby price would climb proportionately.[/QUOTE]Mate, not sure where you have done your research, but Vietnam is no where near Thailaind or any other SE asian nation in terms of economic growth and in fact even today, Philipines has a higher GPD and GNP than Vietnam in terms of total GDP and GDP per capita.
FruitNinja
12-13-12, 13:15
And if Jolibee touted itself as said gourmet burger shop some people would flock to it and swear by it because of the word "gourmet", which I learned in grad school is usually no better but just an indication that you will have to pay more money.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gourmetUrban dictionary? Really? Grad school taught you that a gourmet burger is nothing? You're telling me that a McDonald's burger is the same as one that's from aged beef and hand made? Really? Gibson's is that same as Roadhouse?
FruitNinja
12-13-12, 13:33
Anyone who overpays just because they have the money was born into it, they didn't earn it. Anyone who earned that kind of money doesn't throw it away or overpay just because they can, look at Rockefeller who came from obscurity and obtained great wealth and power, he was extremely tight and did everything he could to spend less than the market rate for whatever he wanted. Even though he could afford to pay many times the market rate, only towards the end did he give money away for civil projects and even then it was a calculated move to divert public animosity away from him and an attempt to gain positive public opinion. Only those born with a silver spoon in their mouth and allowed to keep it because of a weakened inheritance tax structure (I thought we fought a revolution against inherited wealth and power, I'm reminded of the marriage of Figaro, what did you do to deserve the wealth and power but take the time to be born).
Anyone who throws it away just because they can is either a fool or they were born into it, they didn't earn it on their own.I've worked hard all my life. Left home at 17, never asked anyone for a penny. So here I am in my 50's divorced. My kids will be done with school next year. The will be self sufficient soon. I have no desire to marry again. Now I'm not a bazzilionaire but I'm ok. I haven't been on a real vacation in a few years because work has been crazy. I'm going to take some time and have some fun. I'm not going to go halfway around the world and deny myself a gorgeous piece of ass because she wants a few extra dollars. I'll try and negotiate (I am a business man after all) but if she looks like fun, acts like fun, and wants 5-10 more. I'm not going to sit there and haggle for hours on end. I will let her know that I'm overpaying because I like her and that I expect her to be a good girl. I will also set the hook and talk about multiple night maybe. (and if she's good I will do so) So for me it's not just about money. To be successful in my work you need to have a little understanding of how people work. Have you ever told a working girl how pretty she looks? Have you reaffirmed that during the session telling er what a great ass she has, what a great job she's doing going down on you? What a good girl she is (yes, they all want to please daddy) You'd be surprised. I've been mongering for a long time and inasmuch as I might not have the highest count I have had some amazing experiences all over the world. I see so many guys complaining about shit service and starfish performances. I haven't experience that except maybe a few times. But I always make the girl feel special. Tell her "honey I'm going to pay you more because your the most special girl here" Make her feel special. That $5 will go a long way.
Simon says. Peace
Mr Enternational
12-13-12, 13:39
Urban dictionary? Really? Grad school taught you that a gourmet burger is nothing? You're telling me that a McDonald's burger is the same as one that's from aged beef and hand made? Really? Gibson's is that same as Roadhouse?It's called marketing Simon. Which is the reason Coca-Cola is the number one soft drink on the planet. What's the difference between Coca-Cola and any other cola? Any freshman chemistry student can mix sugar with water and bubbles. Maybe a McDonald's burger is not better than an XYZ burger, but there are a hell of a lot more people buying the McDonald's burger. Perhaps you would be interested in buying a pet rock? When I was a freshman in college I called myself buying a gourmet car, Alfa Romeo. Worse piece of shit ever. A Toyota Corolla or even a Ford Escort would have been a much better choice over that. Much the same as a Blow Row girl would have been a better choice over the sub-starfish Ponytails girl. Just because it's dressed up with bullshit doesn't make it "better".
Doppel One
12-13-12, 13:42
That night I went back to Ponytails and complained to the management. The manager (I think his name was Rudy but I'm not sure) and one of the mamasan questioned the girl in the office. The manager then came out and told me that the girl told them I fucked her twice the night before. It was her word against mine and they totally believed her.
Well, I will never step into Ponytails again even if they have all the Miss Philippines naked on their dance floor!It's strange. Some guys rave about Ponytails but I always get a bad vibe from the place. The girls look so disinterested. I tend to believe that if a girl will shake her stuff on stage for the pure pleasure of dancing and having fun then she will be a good fuck. By that measure how many girls in Ponytails look like they will be a good fuck? (excluding the dance troop obviously).
You have told my story. I totally agree. It is the little things. That we all like. You and me to with we are being sold. And I pay extra for all kinds of stuff. Direct flight to Cebu from States. I could fly to manila, transfer to local airport, then fly to Cebu. I fly now 22 hours one stop. Could make it 32 hours and 4 stops and safe 10, 000 peso. Even when I am done I will take them to mall and buy a t shirt. 6 pack of panties of their choose. I was just in Thailand with the bomb. 24 year old. So, hot I knew it would be a star fish but just want to feel it and see it. Went down on me no condom like a vaccum. Was hitting it doggie with condom. Stuck thum in ass and she backed up. I laughed and when she turned to look at me, I said so you like that. And you could see the I hate to addmit it but then she looked ahead and shoke her head. Now that ass was so fine in the morning I went into the shower and sat on the shiter and just looked at her in the shower. She said what? I just said you are lucky the prince ain; t seen you. She is like why. Oh baby you locked up in the back room. She smiled and I still remember that. Yea I paid more than any other from the start. 4000 baht and tiped 1K more with 200 for taxi. I will go to my grave with those memorys. And it has been pointed out that a Mercedes cost a lot. I have never owned one. But when I drove one I knew it was not my VW Jetta. So, the old true issume. You get what you pay for. Said all that to say, yea I agree
FruitNinja
12-13-12, 14:04
It's called marketing Simon. Which is the reason Coca-Cola is the number one soft drink on the planet. What's the difference between Coca-Cola and any other cola? Any freshman chemistry student can mix sugar with water and bubbles. Maybe a McDonald's burger is not better than an XYZ burger, but there are a hell of a lot more people buying the McDonald's burger. Perhaps you would be interested in buying a pet rock? When I was a freshman in college I called myself buying a gourmet car, Alfa Romeo. Worse piece of shit ever.Everything you learn you take literal? You can't generalize life like that. That would have you believe that there is no difference between anything. That $100 dollar Walmart suite is the same as my Armani. Really? One is made from shit throw away fabric by Asian slaves and the other the finest wool available and made by Italian craftsmen. I mean if you're ok with Wamart that's perfectly fine. But don't compare the two. I've had the pleasure of owning an Alfa. 74 Spyder Veloce. No it wasn't the most reliable. But you know what? I didn't buy it for reliability. I bought it for fun factor and fun it was. I've got another POS convertible classic in my garage now. I love it. And the mere fact that you can't afford something doesn't make it marketing. You can tell yourself that all you want but that's not reality. If we're going to use that silly logic there's no difference in living in Harlem or the Hampons. Shopping at Walmart is the same as shopping on Rodeo Drive. That Timex is the same as a Panerai (my timepiece of choice) I've been in business for 20 years and ran businesses before that. I don't have a pet rock but I do have Armani suites in my closet, some amazing Italian shoes, and some very fine time pieces. All I lack is that damn MBA. I guess I f*ked up. Peace at ya bro. Go grab some of that cheap Walmat soda. When I did drink soda I splurged on the Coke. I know I know! Hard to believe.
Simon says. Don't talk silly
Ponytails: I arrived at 7:55 pm. 5 minutes before happy hour and 'Who let the dogs out' competition ended.HH until 8pm? Have they changed it? On my last trip in October HH ended at 6pm. Anyone can confirm?
FruitNinja
12-13-12, 14:21
You have told my story. I totally agree. It is the little things. That we all like. You and me to with we are being sold. And I pay extra for all kinds of stuff. Direct flight to Cebu from States. I could fly to manila, transfer to local airport, then fly to Cebu. I fly now 22 hours one stop. Could make it 32 hours and 4 stops and safe 10, 000 peso. Even when I am done I will take them to mall and buy a t shirt. 6 pack of panties of their choose. I was just in Thailand with the bomb. 24 year old. So, hot I knew it would be a star fish but just want to feel it and see it. Went down on me no condom like a vaccum. Was hitting it doggie with condom. Stuck thum in ass and she backed up. I laughed and when she turned to look at me, I said so you like that. And you could see the I hate to addmit it but then she looked ahead and shoke her head. Now that ass was so fine in the morning I went into the shower and sat on the shiter and just looked at her in the shower. She said what? I just said you are lucky the prince ain; t seen you. She is like why. Oh baby you locked up in the back room. She smiled and I still remember that. Yea I paid more than any other from the start. 4000 baht and tiped 1K more with 200 for taxi. I will go to my grave with those memorys. And it has been pointed out that a Mercedes cost a lot. I have never owned one. But when I drove one I knew it was not my VW Jetta. So, the old true issume. You get what you pay for. Said all that to say, yea I agreeI'm being told by Mr Entertainment that a BMW 7 Series is no better than a Chevy. It's only marketing. Are you kidding me? Yes they will both get you to your destination but one will get you there in luxury with the finest of options. And when you f*king hit that pedal to the floor you will see 130 in seconds and it will feel like your doing 60. That's not marketing. That's money spent (value) on engineering and the finest of materials. Can you even get leather in a Chevy? Nappa leather?
I've got this 22 year old Asian that's a semi-pro. Saw her last night. Goofy thing but great bod and a great piece of ass. She's will do anything for me because I make her feel special. The first tine I met her in person I told her I beat off to her picture. I actually did. She thought that was soo hot and felt so sexy she had top show me how sexy she felt. I had to change my sheets when we were done. Think with the little head but use the big one.
The flight analogy is perfect. If you've transacted one piece of business in your life you know that "Time is money" and that goes for vacations as well. Quality of life. I'm going to argue price on a $30 dollar item? Really? If I'm going to spend my time negotiating it's going to be for that six figure contract. Quality of life. And I don't mean to portray myself as some big swinging dick, I'm not, but I have done ok. But I do use common sense. And here my common sense tells me that if you play it right, take al the information into consideration not just generalize you may enjoy life a little
More.
And I hate Walmart. I hate what they stand for.
I'm not going to go halfway around the world and deny myself a gorgeous piece of ass because she wants a few extra dollars. I'll try and negotiate (I am a business man after all) but if she looks like fun, acts like fun, and wants 5-10 more. I'm not going to sit there and haggle for hours on end.Fully supported, can't agree more, who cares about some additional dollars? You only live once.
I'm being told by Mr Entertainment that a BMW 7 Series is no better than a Chevy [snip] but one will get you there in luxury with the finest of options. And when you f*king hit that pedal to the floor you will see 130 in seconds and it will feel like your doing 60. That's not marketing. That's money spent (value) on engineering and the finest of materials. Can you even get leather in a Chevy? Nappa leather?As a German, nice to read that! Thanks! Even I prefer the Mercedes SL series.
And I hate Walmart. I hate what they stand for.I have had a long vacation through California and Nevada this year, but the food selection in a Walmart is wonderful. The suits I don't know. Anyway, the most important point is "quality of life", very well said.
And never forget, your last shirt does not have pockets!
FruitNinja
12-13-12, 15:21
As a German, nice to read that! Thanks! Even I prefer the Mercedes SL series.
I have had a long vacation through California and Nevada this year, but the food selection in a Walmart is wonderful. The suits I don't know. Anyway, the most important point is "quality of life", very well said.
And never forget, your last shirt does not have pockets!I have been to your country many a time. Berlin, Frankfort, Munich, Koln, (The Cathedral is amazing) and a few others. The Beer is the best, the food beats that shite you get in France any day. Bavaria is beautiful. I have a cousin outside Munchen.
I have been driving BMW for years. Amazing autos. If you're getting them at model inception they can be problematic. And when shite breaks it's not a cheap fix. But if I wanted 100% reliability I would but Toyota. I have a pristine 1988 red Carrera convertible in under a car cover in my garage. When she breaks she costs me an arm and a leg to fix. I try to do a lot of the work myself.
Are you fulltime PI?
Simon
I think the real point is that AC is like the Wal-Mart (probably more like K-Mart) of mongering in Asia, so why are people paying Saks Fifth Avenue prices? If you want luxury you're in the wrong place. Ain't nothing luxurious about open sewage in the streets or shoeless beggar kids standing in it buddy. Why not stay home and splurge on some of those $1000 escorts I keep hearing about? Or head to Macau and get some real luxury.
"Objective measures looking at passenger vehicles, such as J.D. Power surveys, demonstrated a downturn in the quality and reliability ratings of Mercedes vehicles in the late 1990s and early 2000s. By mid-2005, Mercedes temporarily returned to the industry average for initial quality, a measure of problems after the first 90 days of ownership, according to J.D. Power. In J.D. Power's Initial Quality Study for the first quarter of 2007, Mercedes showed dramatic improvement by climbing from 25th to 5th place, for the first time surpassing quality leader Toyota, and earning several awards for its models."
Wow, they caught up to TOYOTA. LOL. Yeah man you're getting duped all around. Keep paying premium prices though. Whatever makes you feel better. I'll give you a second thought the next time I grab one of those "luxury" Mercedes taxi cabs in Europe.
Doppel One
12-13-12, 15:52
I think the real point is that AC is like the Wal-Mart (probably more like K-Mart) of mongering in Asia, so why are people paying Saks Fifth Avenue prices?Don't's get SimonHeSays started on his Saks Fifth Avenue shopping sprees. Please!
FruitNinja
12-13-12, 16:07
I think the real point is that AC is like the Wal-Mart (probably more like K-Mart) of mongering in Asia, so why are people paying Saks Fifth Avenue prices? If you want luxury you're in the wrong place. Ain't nothing luxurious about open sewage in the streets or shoeless beggar kids standing in it buddy. Why not stay home and splurge on some of those $1000 escorts I keep hearing about? Or head to Macau and get some real luxury.
"Objective measures looking at passenger vehicles, such as J. D. Power surveys, demonstrated a downturn in the quality and reliability ratings of Mercedes vehicles in the late 1990s and early 2000s. By mid-2005, Mercedes temporarily returned to the industry average for initial quality, a measure of problems after the first 90 days of ownership, according to J. D. Power. In J. D. Power's Initial Quality Study for the first quarter of 2007, Mercedes showed dramatic improvement by climbing from 25th to 5th place, for the first time surpassing quality leader Toyota, and earning several awards for its models."
Wow, they caught up to TOYOTA. LOL. Yeah man you're getting duped all around. Keep paying premium prices though. Whatever makes you feel better. I'll give you a second thought the next time I grab one of those "luxury" Mercedes taxi cabs in Europe.We're not buying dependability. My X5 35D will run like a banshee until the 4 year 50K warranty runs out. Then I get a new one. And so forth and so on. Don't hate the man because he can. I've got an 88 Carrera ragtop in the garage. If I wanted dependability I would have got a Miata. Jealousy is very unbecoming of men.
I've never been to AC. This will be my first trip. If I like it I'll go back if not I won't. No big deal man. I've mongered in cities with sewer in the streets. You can find that in Rio. I've taken puss out of Night Flight in Moscow. It's all been fun. I've overpaid, I've underpaid. So what! If you can't over pay it doesn't make me a bad guy.
I do see you bashing every destination. BKK, Cambo, so where is it that you do like to monger? I monger here. All the time. Sometimes to the tune of $600 per week. I also do the Korean $160 joynts. Its all good.
But you can't go around bashing guys because you can't afford something. I've never been jealous. I always ask myself "how did they do that? Maybe I can do that too." No need to make it personal.
FruitNinja
12-13-12, 16:12
Don't's get SimonHeSays started on his Saks Fifth Avenue shopping sprees. Please!Dude, Needless Mark Up is closer to the casa. I've always found these discussions silly and it always turns into a personal thing. Look at some of these guys on here that are always in Asia. I'm not jealous one bit. I want to know how they do it.
I'm going to do so many threesomes in AC! . Maybe even a foursome, but I can't figure out what that 4th one would do. I'm open to ideas. My toes? .
Simon says. Bring it on, and thank goodness for mileage plus.
Doppel One
12-13-12, 16:50
I'm going to do so many threesomes in AC! . Maybe even a foursome, but I can't figure out what that 4th one would do. I'm open to ideas. My toes?Like many on this board I've experimented with 4somes. 5somes even a 6some once. All of which were less than ideal because you've only got one dick, one mouth and one asshole and the girls have attention deficit syndrone. A friend of mine organised a 4some recently and one of the girls, feeling like a spare part, got her knitting out. I kid you not. Now 3somes are manageable and great fun. But 4somes and 5somes etc are just a waste of time in my book. Save your money for your next $2500 meal in the states or a trip to your home town shopping mall where people have to wait in line to buy multi-million dollar trinkets of Tiffany's jewelry.
Member #4698
12-13-12, 17:06
I've never been to AC. This will be my first trip. If I like it I'll go back if not I won't. No big deal man.I think you will like AC. I do. It is the wild west of punting destinations. You won't find any Russian couples or Korean families on winter vacation strolling down Fields Ave. But let me give you a small piece of advice: AC is not Pattaya and AC girls (and Filipinas in general) are a different breed of female all together from their Thai cousins. AC, therefore, requires a small adjustment in attitude and game plan if you are used to the Thai way of mongering. My first night in AC was a complete failure. I set my sites too high and went looking for stunners only in Golden Nile, Blue Nile Executive, and Doll House. I suffered the real AC Walk of Shame: retiring to my Hotel (the ABC) empty handed the first night. But, by the next afternoon, I had recalibrated my game plan and I have enjoyed nothing but good times since then. I will be heading back to AC for a third trip in March.
My recommendation is to check out the smaller bars with tons of very friendly, sexy, girl next door gone bad type Filipinas. Target the nice looking girls who are vying for your attention and company and forget about those stunners who seem aloof and uninterested. My favorite good time bars in no particular order are: Lollipop, Alaska, Body Shop, La Bamba, One Eyed Wench, and Angelwitch. You will also want check out a big bar or two, just to see the show. Atlantis is my favorite show palace and Forbidden City is not bad either. And lastly if you want to find a stunner, you can try your luck at Love and Music Bar and High Society (around 11pm to midnight).
Happy Hunting
So now I'm supposed to take lessons from a guy who's been home waiting in line for Tiffany's watches while I've spent 6 of the last 7 months in Asia (Tokyo, Korea, Macau, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Bangkok, Pattaya, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Vientiane, Angeles City and Phnom Penh. Check my reports, posted plenty of them) , telling me what I can and can't afford. I'm headed back to Asia in two weeks, I'll be sure to remember what I've learned here, LOL.
I mean WTF? It's a losing argument. My only hope is that some other newbies who haven't ever been to AC before but who at least have the corresponding modesty will read some of this and not go on a compulsive spending spree when they get there. Get laid, eat what you want, sleep where you want, enjoy yourself. Turn down nothing. But don't overpay.
That's the end of it from me.
I do see you bashing every destination. BKK, Cambo, so where is it that you do like to monger?
See my dozens of reports in the other countries mentioned. Bangkok and Cambodia are hardly "every destination." I would think a connoisseur like yourself would know that. I guess you didn't have time to travel since you were standing in lines at luxury shops and Benz dealerships while I had the unfortunate task of dipping my wick in 35 countries.
FYI. I said Bangkok is just okay. I make no secret of Phnom Penh being extremely overpriced and an undesirable place for mongering.
Doppel One
12-13-12, 17:51
So now I'm supposed to take lessons from a guy who's been home waiting in line for Tiffany's watches while I've spent 6 of the last 7 months in Asia (Tokyo, Korea, Macau, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Bangkok, Pattaya, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Vientiane, Angeles City and Phnom Penh. Check my reports, posted plenty of them) , telling me what I can and can't afford. I'm headed back to Asia in two weeks, I'll be sure to remember what I've learned here, LOL.Well said. It's nuts that a guy who has never been to AC is spewing out all this faux advise about how much to tip the girls while criticising the spending habits of seasoned mongers who live or spend the majority of their time in Asia on whatever budget they can afford. LOL.
D1 says: your full of crap.
OralFanatic
12-13-12, 19:32
Well, I will never step into Ponytails again even if they have all the Miss Philippines naked on their dance floor!YMMV My 'mileage' in Ponytails was far different. I picked up a girl in there a few months ago; she's gone now so no need for a name. I took this girl back to my room and got 1 BJ, and 2 pops fucking before we both went to sleep. It was daylight when she woke me up again sucking on my dick. One more fuck and she jumped in the shower. I assumed she would leave and I took a shower right after she did. I was going to walk her out and then grab some coffee. I no sooner got my pants on and she asked me what I was doing putting clothes on. She took my pants off and round 2 ensued. Great; now I want my coffee so we both took a shower and we both got dressed. We made it as far as the living room (I was in a Suite) and she started kissing me and grabbing my crotch. Long story short. 2 minutes later she has my pants down around my ankles and we're screwing on the couch. She wouldn't even let me get my pants off.
I can understand your resentment against Ponytails, but the issue started with the girl. It's unfortunate for you that management took her side. You did the right thing complaining though; too many more complaints and she'll be sent packing.
Pete Benetar
12-13-12, 21:04
i'm being told by mr entertainment that a bmw 7 series is no better than a chevy. it's only marketing. are you kidding me? yes they will both get you to your destination but one will get you there in luxury with the finest of options. and when you f*king hit that pedal to the floor you will see 130 in seconds and it will feel like your doing 60. that's not marketing. that's money spent (value) on engineering and the finest of materials. can you even get leather in a chevy? nappa leather?
and i hate walmart. i hate what they stand for.specious and bogus argument. my cts-v does 0-60 in 3. 9 sec. with the 6 speed stick it's a total rush to ride and at half the price (more like 1/3 with my family gmc employee deal) compared to the 7 series. the v is very well engineered and dirt cheap by comparison to your 7. seems you are more enamored with style and fashion and that's perfectly fine. if you would rather avoid good economic discounts in life than ac might not be the right place for you.
ac if great for me, just as walmart is. but i made a killing on wmt back in the 80's so frankly it doesn't bother me what people think it stands for. wmt and other big box stores will hold their own i think and maybe just keep growing globally as the us middle class keeps getting squeezed and emerging markets grow.
Asian Steve 22
12-13-12, 21:11
specious and bogus argument. my cts-v does 0-60 in 3. 9 sec. with the 6 speed stick it's a total rush to ride and at half the price (more like 1/3 with my family gmc employee deal) compared to the 7 series. the v is very well engineered and dirt cheap by comparison to your 7. seems you are more enamored with style and fashion and that's perfectly fine. if you would rather avoid good economic discounts in life than ac might not be the right place for you.
ac if great for me, just as walmart is. but i made a killing on wmt back in the 80's so frankly it doesn't bother me what people think it stands for. wmt and other big box stores will hold their own i think and maybe just keep growing globally as the us middle class keeps getting squeezed and emerging markets grow.yes, agreed. also, most sane people also don't need the "luxury" of driving 130mph.
OralFanatic
12-13-12, 21:32
This whole 'what price is right' argument is hilarious; I've seen the same argument in every board for every city and country. I have the perfect solution but I know it would never be accepted and this argument about what to pay will never end. My solution would be to tell others what percentage of your monthly salary you paid for a girl. I mentioned in a previous post about the insatiable girl I picked up in Ponytails; I paid her. 00285% of my monthly salary for 1 night. What percentage of your monthly salary do you guys normally pay for AC girls? Wouldn't this method allow us to really know who is over paying?
Since I realize no one will ever follow a 'percentage' rule, I'the like to ask a few questions so that I can judge whether I am paying prices comparable to others; Was your girl a '10' or a '0'? What is your age? Do you have 6 pack abs or a Michelin? Do you have teeth or rotting enamel? Well groomed or slovenly pig? Does your breath smell fresh or would it gag a maggot? Do you shower before hitting the bars or has it been a week since you washed your ass?
There are 2 parties to every transaction; in addition to us looking at the girls and deciding what we are willing to pay, these girls also size every one of us ATM's up and decide what it's going to cost to leave with us. It is NOT a 1 sided proposition and there are many variables that can affect pricing.
This argument will never end and that is unfortunate. I could care less whether you guys pay $10 or $1, 000 for a piece of ass. If you enjoyed yourself and believe it was worth it, then I recommend you do it again. Live and let live.
LeknomForMe
12-13-12, 22:35
Dude, Needless Mark Up is closer to the casa. I've always found these discussions silly and it always turns into a personal thing. Look at some of these guys on here that are always in Asia. I'm not jealous one bit. I want to know how they do it.
I'm going to do so many threesomes in AC! . Maybe even a foursome, but I can't figure out what that 4th one would do. I'm open to ideas. My toes? .
Simon says. Bring it on, and thank goodness for mileage plus.The fourth will be wielding the camera taking action photos and cum shots and bringing hot towels for wet clean up on isle four (welcome walmart choppers ).
She can also answer any and all calls of the action girls cell phones and take messages so as not to interupt the flow of hot sexual energy. Many of the pictures can be taken from a seated position on your face while getting warmed up to replace one of the other girls who then can take over the fourth's duties.
Be sure to take a double dose of vitamin V and remember to share the photos in the Philippines photo section. Where I would suspect that even rick rock will appreciate them no matter what it cost you.
Thanks in advance, leknomforme
FruitNinja
12-14-12, 00:01
Like many on this board I've experimented with 4somes. 5somes even a 6some once. All of which were less than ideal because you've only got one dick, one mouth and one asshole and the girls have attention deficit syndrone. A friend of mine organised a 4some recently and one of the girls, feeling like a spare part, got her knitting out. I kid you not. Now 3somes are manageable and great fun. But 4somes and 5somes etc are just a waste of time in my book. Save your money for your next $2500 meal in the states or a trip to your home town shopping mall where people have to wait in line to buy multi-million dollar trinkets of Tiffany's jewelry.I'm going to get me one of then there fancy ass burgers. Because, quite frankly I'd rather have a burger than a steak. It's my way of showing everyone I'm saving money.
FruitNinja
12-14-12, 00:04
I think you will like AC. I do. It is the wild west of punting destinations. You won't find any Russian couples or Korean families on winter vacation strolling down Fields Ave. But let me give you a small piece of advice: AC is not Pattaya and AC girls (and Filipinas in general) are a different breed of female all together from their Thai cousins. AC, therefore, requires a small adjustment in attitude and game plan if you are used to the Thai way of mongering. My first night in AC was a complete failure. I set my sites too high and went looking for stunners only in Golden Nile, Blue Nile Executive, and Doll House. I suffered the real AC Walk of Shame: retiring to my Hotel (the ABC) empty handed the first night. But, by the next afternoon, I had recalibrated my game plan and I have enjoyed nothing but good times since then. I will be heading back to AC for a third trip in March.
My recommendation is to check out the smaller bars with tons of very friendly, sexy, girl next door gone bad type Filipinas. Target the nice looking girls who are vying for your attention and company and forget about those stunners who seem aloof and uninterested. My favorite good time bars in no particular order are: Lollipop, Alaska, Body Shop, La Bamba, One Eyed Wench, and Angelwitch. You will also want check out a big bar or two, just to see the show. Atlantis is my favorite show palace and Forbidden City is not bad either. And lastly if you want to find a stunner, you can try your luck at Love and Music Bar and High Society (around 11pm to midnight).
Happy HuntingSo your mistake on night one was aiming for the stuck up ones?
FruitNinja
12-14-12, 00:12
FYI. I said Bangkok is just okay. I make no secret of Phnom Penh being extremely overpriced and an undesirable place for mongering.I've mongered in more countries than I can remember. I'm single and had 22 year old Chinese pussy last night, passed on a 19 year old college student today. Jillian. Business first. Look up my reports in USG. And I just started posting there. I have 4 or 5 college aged girls I can call on a whim and they will be here for the night for 200. I've done Moscow, Prague, St Petersburg, Columbia, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Kiev, Cuba, Costa Rica, Mexico, Germany, Holland, England, Brussels, and a whole lot more. And I've mongered in 10-20 cities here in the good old USA and Canada to boot
Ariiba Ariba Andale.
Like I said, don't cry for me. And it's a BMW, not a Benz.
BrainDrain
12-14-12, 00:14
Hi I am going to be going to AC on January 7-13 if anyone is around then and wants to meet up for a beer let me know.
Does anyone have information about Pacific Breeze or ABC hotel? I have a reservation at each but not sure which one to go with.
Thanks for the advice.
Also can you go surfing in Subic beach?
Cheers,
SurferWhat a wonderful week you have coming up in January.
There are plenty of reports in the Angeles Hotel thread which can help guide you on your decision for the hotels.
I haven't personally stayed at Pacific Breeze but it has good reports. ABC for me is in a league of its own. Would love to be in their care right now.
FruitNinja
12-14-12, 00:17
specious and bogus argument. my cts-v does 0-60 in 3. 9 sec. with the 6 speed stick it's a total rush to ride and at half the price (more like 1/3 with my family gmc employee deal) compared to the 7 series. the v is very well engineered and dirt cheap by comparison to your 7. seems you are more enamored with style and fashion and that's perfectly fine. if you would rather avoid good economic discounts in life than ac might not be the right place for you.
ac if great for me, just as walmart is. but i made a killing on wmt back in the 80's so frankly it doesn't bother me what people think it stands for. wmt and other big box stores will hold their own i think and maybe just keep growing globally as the us middle class keeps getting squeezed and emerging markets grow.but you can keep the cadillac. does nothing for me. to each his own. there is no other luxury car that handles like the 7. i'm not sure what caddie has done lately. but you're right, i do like the style and cutting edge engineering of the bmw. i made a bit of cash here on defense stocks and those little airport scanners after 9/11. america is a great country!
FruitNinja
12-14-12, 00:21
specious and bogus argument. my cts-v does 0-60 in 3. 9 sec. with the 6 speed stick it's a total rush to ride and at half the price (more like 1/3 with my family gmc employee deal) compared to the 7 series. the v is very well engineered and dirt cheap by comparison to your 7. seems you are more enamored with style and fashion and that's perfectly fine. if you would rather avoid good economic discounts in life than ac might not be the right place for you.
ac if great for me, just as walmart is. but i made a killing on wmt back in the 80's so frankly it doesn't bother me what people think it stands for. wmt and other big box stores will hold their own i think and maybe just keep growing globally as the us middle class keeps getting squeezed and emerging markets grow.not sure how they stack up.
Just what we need. Another guy with a "fast car" bragging about how much money he made. And driving he's a Honda? Bwahahahahahah!
Member #4698
12-14-12, 02:15
So your mistake on night one was aiming for the stuck up ones?No. Mistake #1: I went to the big show palaces known for having the lookers and did not check out the smaller good time party bars first. See my short list of favorite bars. It was a newbie mistake.
Mistake #2: Once in the glamor bars, I focused only on the stunners and overlooked the friendly, sexy, plainer looking girls that were beckoning me with their smiles. This used up a lot of time and was foolish. I had arrived late from Macau around midnight. After buying drinks and interviewing several really pretty girls including one beautiful cherry girl, I discovered that the girls that I had chosen were just not into a EWR for one reason or another. By then it was around 1:30am and I was getting tired of the hunt and called it quits. Looking back, I remember I was pretty amazed by my failure to hook up with a stunner that night. I was in Bangkok/Macau mode and I was playing the wrong game here. I thought what the fuck - did I make a mistake coming to AC? I knew that if I had met equivalent looking girls in Rainbow 4 for example, there would not have been any problem shagging at least one these stunners. This threw me. My head was hung down low as I entered ABC and the friendly doorman innocently asked me if I had a good time. Walk of Shame. This is what I meant in my last post when I wrote that I needed to recalibrate my game for AC after that 1st night. It is different here.
I realize now, that if I had gone to Lollipops or Body Shop first, I would have met many very friendly, wild, fun, girl next door gone bad types, literally dying for a EWR. The stars in these bars are good time party girls not stunners, although I still find plenty of attractive girls in these bars. The thing about these Philippine bar girls is they make it really clear when they want you to take them. There is no subtlety with these girls and fuck the normal interview. Things get pretty wild in places like Lollipop and other small AC party bars and places like Rogues Bar in Makati. The girls will DFK, grab your dick, place your hand on their vagina before you even order a lady drink for them. They are just very friendly, sexed up, and wild bar girls. There is no nudity in AC Bars like in Pattaya Go Go's, but there is a hell of a lot of playing around in AC bars – in the good ones. It's the Wild West!
I realize now, that if I had gone to Lollipops or Body Shop first, I would have met many very friendly, wild, fun, girl next door gone bad types, literally dying for a EWR. The stars in these bars are good time party girls not stunners, although I still find plenty of attractive girls in these bars. The thing about these Philippine bar girls is they make it really clear when they want you to take them. There is no subtlety with these girls and fuck the normal interview. Things get pretty wild in places like Lollipop and other small AC party bars and places like Rogues Bar in Makati. The girls will DFK, grab your dick, place your hand on their vagina before you even order a lady drink for them. They are just very friendly, sexed up, and wild bar girls. There is no nudity in AC Bars like in Pattaya Go Go's, but there is a hell of a lot of playing around in AC bars – in the good ones. It's the Wild West!It all depends.
Sometimes those girls who indicate they want to go are good, sometimes they're not. Even when they are sometimes they're not, eg. About half of the friendly waitresses who wanted me to take them out performed well but ended up having terrible tits and baby belly when out of their clothes.
And I have had some of the best LT performances ever out of shy girls I had to coax out of their shells.
Member #4698
12-14-12, 03:27
Sometimes those girls who indicate they want to go are good, sometimes they're not. Even when they are sometimes they're not, eg. About half of the friendly waitresses who wanted me to take them out performed well but ended up having terrible tits and baby belly when out of their clothes.I hate terrible tits. Young girls with small breasts are best in order to avoid this problem.
Doppel One
12-14-12, 04:15
And I have had some of the best LT performances ever out of shy girls I had to coax out of their shells.So true. To get the best out of some of these girls you have to gradually build a rapport or there has to be some chemistry. Often it takes time and perseverance to coax girls out of their shy little shells but it can be worth the effort. Many girls in AC may be working in one of Asia's foremost sex tourism destinations but they're not hardcore WGs. Far from it. They're cute 'girl-next-door' types who find themselves in AC out of economic necessity but they simply aren't designed to be hardcore hookers or party animals. Personally, I'm not that interested in the so called 'hot' or 'wild' girls who have sex with one, two or three guys per day every day for years on end. The special nectar in AC are the girls who are straight off the boat and have only been with a few foreigners. Often these girls cannot be bought cheaply with a large tip. It takes more than that. But once you've got the damn thing started. Wow. They go like a rocket. The bottom line is that your money only gets you so far in AC. If a girl doesn't like you for whatever reason it's unlikely she will perform regardless of what you throw at her.
FruitNinja
12-14-12, 04:50
Just what we need. Another guy with a "fast car" bragging about how much money he made. And driving he's a Honda? Bwahahahahahah!I've done quite well without your input in my life so far. You have nothing I need. I guarantee you won't hurt my feelings. Cheers.
I haven't seen the bwaha in a long time but then again I don't usually associate with children. It's cute. You might be able to do something with that.
Still if you beleive him next time he is in AC join him for a drink he has $60 a day to spend on drinks and food.I'm pretty much able to pay my drinks myself.
So true. To get the best out of some of these girls you have to gradually build a rapport or there has to be some chemistry. Often it takes time and perseverance to coax girls out of their shy little shells but it can be worth the effort. Many girls in AC may be working in one of Asia's foremost sex tourism destinations but they're not hardcore WGs. Far from it. They're cute 'girl-next-door' types who find themselves in AC out of economic necessity but they simply aren't designed to be hardcore hookers or party animals. Personally, I'm not that interested in the so called 'hot' or 'wild' girls who have sex with one, two or three guys per day every day for years on end. The special nectar in AC are the girls who are straight off the boat and have only been with a few foreigners. Often these girls cannot be bought cheaply with a large tip. It takes more than that. But once you've got the damn thing started. Wow. They go like a rocket. The bottom line is that your money only gets you so far in AC. If a girl doesn't like you for whatever reason it's unlikely she will perform regardless of what you throw at her.Agree with you on this. My favorites in the Phils have been those low volume types, a bit shy, definitely not your PSE types. When they melt, gawd do they melt, and make life well worth living. Have not been to AC, only to Manila and Cebu, but am glad to hear that they exist in AC as well, because that place is on the next trip agenda.
FruitNinja
12-14-12, 12:07
Agree with you on this. My favorites in the Phils have been those low volume types, a bit shy, definitely not your PSE types. When they melt, gawd do they melt, and make life well worth living. Have not been to AC, only to Manila and Cebu, but am glad to hear that they exist in AC as well, because that place is on the next trip agenda.I've not experienced the Phils yet but will soon. But I've been with 100's of women. The worst experience has been the lookers. The best have been plain. As usual, making them think they are special goes a long way.
WestCoast1
12-14-12, 14:12
I don't just take them to my hotel, throw them in the shower, scrub them down and fuck them. I treat them more like a date then just a piece of meat.I take them to the hotel, throw them in the shower, scrub them down and f*ck them. Don't forget to smile for the cam hun. Here's your jeepney tip to get home. What's that? You want to come over tomorrow afternoon for another session? You want to bring your cousin also? Sure. Now get out; daddy needs his nap.
Kidding.
SB (and his news report) told you what you need to know about surfing at Subic. If you're bent on surfing in Luzon, a better alternative is San Juan in La Union Province. It's just North of San Fernando, the capital of La Union. Buses go from Angeles to San Fernando, about three hours, plus or minus, North of AC. You can find routes and approximate travel times online. The buses probably continue on past San Juan, but there are also jeepneys and maybe trikes that can get you from San Fernando to San Juan. Waves aren't great, but there are a number of resorts that rent boards. The surfing scenes in Apocalypse Now were filmed there. Beaches just a little North of the surfing area are decent. Some recent posts in the Other Areas thread have also reported on the pfp scene in areas near San Fernando, including Bauang, which was an American military outpost some years ago.Thanks! For the reply and the suggestions for going surfing. I will have to check this place out.
MutantChicken
12-15-12, 04:14
The last 5 pages have been I'm rich and fucking 22yr olds. For me I'd rather fuck a attractive 28yr old than a plain looking 22yr old. So bragging that your fucking some young girl means shit all. Once upon a time this site had real contributers not just keyboard warriors writing down their fantasys like it was real life, this is the problem with the social media phenomenon, gives loser couch potatoes a voice.
Down to some reports.
I was fortunate to get some numbers from a member who had recently spent a month getting numbers from gals and organising ST out of work with them. I contacted H, who workes as a 3000 dancer at one of the fields bars, I was a bit excited at that prospect, but when I saw her I was dissapppointed as she looked like a gal thats 1500 or 1800 found elsewhere, it just proves that they give green tags indiscriminately. She originally wanted 1000 for ST, after seeing I was uninterested, but as she was desperate for money this was dropped to 800, I wasnt very interested so I threw her a low ball saying 500, but I laster offered 500 a round and a tip if she was good but she was to stay in my room until I was ready.
Anyway turns out she hadn't beed fucked for a month, was happy to CIM-I requested but didn't do, ass play, does BJ well, is multi orgasmic and squirts. I did 3 rounds with her and gave her 1300 which she was more than happy with, I think she was expecting 800.
I also too racel from candy bar. 1200 bar fine, she was a decent fuck, can't complain, but because I was lax and didn't ask if she was going to stay LT she ran after the fuck, so I didn't give her a tip.
I also tried a cutie at happy rock, but no BJ but she was a sweet girl so I tipped her 100, 1300 bar fine as she left early, which I didn't mind as she wasnt that good, and I also too a gal from thi Hi. 1200 bar fine, she ended up stating her menstration so she spent 30mins giving me a sloppy BJ till I CIM. 1200 bar fine and 100 tip, as she also left early again I didn't mind.
I also took 2 girls from shadows bar 750 st BJ barfines, both did great bjs, shame about the baby bellys, but you can't be dissappointed with 700 BJ rather than 1200 st fucks.
Like others have mentions there are plenty of girls willing to do sneak outs, I had a few organised but none panned out dues to unforeseen circumstances, again best a game for long term residents
Devilspinkick
12-15-12, 04:15
Howdy,
This is my first trip to Angeles City and the Philippines. I usually go to places such as Thailand, Brazil, Germany, etc. Anyway, I BF'd a dame from a bar last night. The bar fine was 1,800 pesos; whatever. I didn't know how much is usually given to the lady in the morning and my "friend" for the night only said "up to you". I didn't want to insult her so I just gave her 2,500 pesos since she stayed the night. May have given more if she had actually been very good in the sack. Just wondering if that is a typical donation or if I paid too much. Guess I could have researched the forum but there's too much persiflage between actual info.
- DSK
MutantChicken
12-15-12, 04:25
Howdy,
This is my first trip to Angeles City and the Philippines. I usually go to places such as Thailand, Brazil, Germany, etc. Anyway, I BF'd a dame from a bar last night. The bar fine was 1, 800 pesos; whatever. I didn't know how much is usually given to the lady in the morning and my "friend" for the night only said "up to you". I didn't want to insult her so I just gave her 2, 500 pesos since she stayed the night. May have given more if she had actually been very good in the sack. Just wondering if that is a typical donation or if I paid too much. Guess I could have researched the forum but there's too much persiflage between actual info.
- DSKDude you have just added fuel to the fire, people are already complaining that your type, week millionaires or guys that are clueless are comming here and overpaying and causeing price inflations, the standard tip is 500
Member #4698
12-15-12, 04:33
Howdy,
This is my first trip to Angeles City and the Philippines. I usually go to places such as Thailand, Brazil, Germany, etc. Anyway, I BF'd a dame from a bar last night. The bar fine was 1, 800 pesos; whatever. I didn't know how much is usually given to the lady in the morning and my "friend" for the night only said "up to you". I didn't want to insult her so I just gave her 2, 500 pesos since she stayed the night. May have given more if she had actually been very good in the sack. Just wondering if that is a typical donation or if I paid too much. Guess I could have researched the forum but there's too much persiflage between actual info.
- DSKYou goofed up D. The EWR was 1800p which is inclusive and covers the barfine and service charge. If she was "good in the sack" as you say and stayed until you wanted her to leave, a gratuity of 200p to 500p would be generous and appropriate. Live and learn. AC ain't Pattaya or Burgos Street, Makati for that matter.
Screaming Beaver
12-15-12, 04:41
I didn't want to insult her so I just gave her 2,500 pesos since she stayed the night.Believe me, you accomplished your mission of not insulting her.
May have given more if she had actually been very good in the sack.Yeah, that's showing her who's boss. Good man.
Just wondering if that is a typical donation or if I paid too much.You only paid about 800% more than you should have but as long as you think it was worth it, who cares?
WestCoast1
12-15-12, 04:57
You only paid about 800% more than you should have but as long as you think it was worth it, who cares?Easy Beav. I'm no fan of overpaying, but Devil is new to the AC scene.
You don't need to tip her anything, and its rare the girls will mention it first. Don't mention it first, just give her whatever tip you feel is in your heart. But as Nat said, the p1800 is all-inclusive.
Mr Enternational
12-15-12, 04:59
Howdy,
This is my first trip to Angeles City and the Philippines. I usually go to places such as Thailand, Brazil, Germany, etc. Anyway, I BF'd a dame from a bar last night. The bar fine was 1, 800 pesos; whatever. I didn't know how much is usually given to the lady in the morning and my "friend" for the night only said "up to you". I didn't want to insult her so I just gave her 2, 500 pesos since she stayed the night. May have given more if she had actually been very good in the sack. Just wondering if that is a typical donation or if I paid too much. Guess I could have researched the forum but there's too much persiflage between actual info.
- DSKYou got me in stitches here man. I don't know who is making me laugh more, you or SB. A senior member and you are asking about pricing EX POST FACTO. Everyday it's something new and exciting on this board. She said up to you because as everyone said the price you paid at the bar is all in. She was not trying to guilt you into giving extra like most guys guilt themselves into doing. She would have been happy with 0. I know she is ecstatic with 2500 + the 900 she gets from the bar fine. Gee wiz it's Christmas. I needed that.
Found this video of Atlantis from 2011. Looks like a fashion show. Tiny, little outfits. Nice asses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keiFMV1fCL8
If these are 3000p model types, a couple are over rated.
Slim
Where is the best place for me to exchange my money. I would like to get the best exchange rate possible.
ChrisI will not be there (wish I was).
You will see a Tattoo Parlour between Margarita Station and Mini Stop.
Front of the Tattoo are 2 money changers Zeny & Cora. (see left of attached pic.)
You can even walk right into the Tattoo parlour and change from inside the parlour as there is also a window on the inside between the parlour and the changer (if it makes you feel any safer).
I believe it was Ekspat who introduced me to this place and I have been using them ever since.
I change only what I think I'd need for the next 2/3 days, that way, if I am robbed (never been robbed nor seen it either) , not all is lost.
Member #4698
12-15-12, 14:30
Found this video of Atlantis from 2011. Looks like a fashion show. Tiny, little outfits. Nice asses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keiFMV1fCL8
If these are 3000p model types, a couple are over rated.
SlimYeah, but a couple are very hot. I like that first girl for example. Or maybe I am suffering from withdrawal and just in need of another trip to AC. 2 months and counting.
just arrived in ac after a week of fun in p. burgos. anyone around for a smb or two? poopbunny? d-cups? or any other one?
did some barhopping and saw the line-up in lancelot pretty good. recommended!
cheers!
it just proves that they give green tags indiscriminately.Absolutely!
When you're in some of these places with the tiered pricing, take a good look at some of the "high level" girls. Some of them aren't very attractive at all. And some of the "regular girls" look a lot better. Sure, beauty is subjective, but at some point you can't deny the trend.
Could it be that some of these girls are dating management or simply want to live off of lady drinks and salary? There was a girl in one bar I tried to take out for 2 days straight before a waitress told me she was the papasan's boyfriend. Some other girls have told me they have told guys who were drunk, smelly or otherwise disgusting that they were on their period. One girl had an old cherry girl card. Said I was her fifth. But she told me when she didn't want to go out with a guy, especially Koreans for some reason, she would use it as an excuse. I guess anything is possible.
I bagged one of those 3000 php girls from Atlantis after she got off work once and she seemed to think it was granted totally at random, even though she was one of them! When I asked some others why their bar fines were so high, they usually say they are "models," "special dancers," or something like that, LOL. This one was pretty honest though. And I actually think she was hotter than most girls in AC.
I'm not sure where your anger is coming from, with all of that quality tang you have on a regular basis I would think that you would be in a more positive state of mind.
Attacking me from the safety of your computer is certainly not the way a gentleman would act, and is of no worth to this forum.
Just my thoughts, leknomforme.Prove me wrong post some proof since you come here every year you must have some photos, as for the safety of my computer I met quite a few guys from the forum, even guys who accused me of lying, so when you make it here come have a drink these are just words in a open forum so is my view.
Any of you guys have been playing or know of whats going on in "Wild Aces Poker club" at the Wild Orchid Resort. I have in mind cash games and tourneys for no limit holdem. I do prefer cash games. What about the stakes people play there? I did wrote them an email a week back in time, with no replay, was hoping any of you might know something.
Thanks
Threadbare
12-15-12, 22:32
Hi I am going to be going to AC on January 7-13 if anyone is around then and wants to meet up for a beer let me know.
Does anyone have information about Pacific Breeze or ABC hotel? I have a reservation at each but not sure which one to go with.
Thanks for the advice.
Also can you go surfing in Subic beach?
Cheers,
SurferI stayed at the Pacific Breeze in November, I found nice rooms, good bar / pool and really friendly staff. It is also superbly located and good value, certainly recommended. I will be there again end of January for a few days (arriving 24th) in case anyone fancies a beer.
Screaming Beaver
12-16-12, 00:34
Any of you guys have been playing or know of whats going on in "Wild Aces Poker club" at the Wild Orchid Resort. I have in mind cash games and tourneys for no limit holdem. I do prefer cash games. What about the stakes people play there? I did wrote them an email a week back in time, with no replay, was hoping any of you might know something.
ThanksIt's actually next door to Wild Orchid at a restaurant / bar called Cuba Cuba. Nightly cash and tournament games. Some nights it's low stakes and some of the nights it's 4k pesos buy in with additional buys available. Also, always cash games going on. Starts around 6pm. It's usually a mix of locals and tourists.
Devilspinkick
12-16-12, 04:35
You got me in stitches here man. I don't know who is making me laugh more, you or SB. A senior member and you are asking about pricing EX POST FACTO. Everyday it's something new and exciting on this board. She said up to you because as everyone said the price you paid at the bar is all in. She was not trying to guilt you into giving extra like most guys guilt themselves into doing. She would have been happy with 0. I know she is ecstatic with 2500 + the 900 she gets from the bar fine. Gee wiz it's Christmas. I needed that.
Wow. Then I have been REALLY overpaying. Yeh, I am a seasoned traveler but am completely new to the PI so I sort of assumed that things were done similar to the LOS where you pay a BF but also pay the lady for ST or LT. That would explain the reactions I've been getting: one lady in particular seemed stunned that I gave her 2,200 pesos as she was leaving. But of course she didn't say that it wasn't the norm.
Well at least I can keep that in mind if I ever return to the PI. Heading back to the LOS (Pattaya) on Monday for the rest of my Asian trip. Filipinas are OK but I have to say that I like the scene in Thailand a lot better.
- DSK
...Yeh, I am a seasoned traveler but am completely new to the PI so I sort of assumed that things were done similar to the LOS where you pay a BF but also pay the lady for ST or LT...It sometimes helps to read a bit before The t(r)ip.
Streetlooker
12-16-12, 07:13
It's actually next door to Wild Orchid at a restaurant / bar called Cuba Cuba. Nightly cash and tournament games. Some nights it's low stakes and some of the nights it's 4k pesos buy in with additional buys available. Also, always cash games going on. Starts around 6pm. It's usually a mix of locals and tourists.I can; t seem to play here thinking the game is not on the up and up with dealers that know the game
GuyLuvsParty
12-16-12, 07:51
I tried to take out for 2 days straight before a waitress told me she was the papasan's boyfriend.I think you were very fortunate and dodge a bullet that you didn't have takeout.
Garry Smith
12-17-12, 03:04
Lovely beautiful ponytail girl
Garry Smith
12-17-12, 03:26
Another hotter Miss Ponytail 2011
Howdy,
This is my first trip to Angeles City and the Philippines. I usually go to places such as Thailand, Brazil, Germany, etc. Anyway, I BF'd a dame from a bar last night. The bar fine was 1, 800 pesos; whatever. I didn't know how much is usually given to the lady in the morning and my "friend" for the night only said "up to you". I didn't want to insult her so I just gave her 2, 500 pesos since she stayed the night. May have given more if she had actually been very good in the sack. Just wondering if that is a typical donation or if I paid too much. Guess I could have researched the forum but there's too much persiflage between actual info.
- DSKOnce upon a time say 6 years ago, BFs in AC were around PHP 1200 and barfines were exactly that. You pay the house to take the girl out for the rest of her shift that day, ie. She is yours till the next day, and a tip was exactly that. A tip, ie a volunteered gratuity for services rendered above and beyond expectations.
However in AC these days, things have changed.
This is the general rule of thumb now as advised recently by a foreigner 'manager friend' at one of the larger bars in AC:
A barfine now generally means ST, or 3 hours, or until you pop, depending on mostly your luck of the draw and how you negotiate during the 'interview'.
If the girl stays with you LT, it is customary now to 'tip' her depending on how long she stays. I have been told by the 'manager friend' that if you BF her at say midnight and she stays with you till noon the next day and provides you with GFE, multiple pops, etc. Etc, that a 'tip' of PHP 1000 would not be unfair. Therefore, if she leaves at 9 am, a tip of PHP 500, and if she leaves at 6 am, just trike money would suffice.
Looks like the pussy index in AC has been raised!
I stayed in AC for several weeks over the summer, took out plenty of barfines from probably 12 different bars, didn't have a single ST, no runners, not one tip given, not one tip requested, not one complaint received. One single girl left at 8 am to be with her kid, which was fine because I already got 3 pops. The rest I practically had to kick out.
I suspect it's like anywhere. When you walk into a hot toc in Vietnam for a blowjob and throw the normal amount down and give the normal tip you have no problems. Guys going in blind and asking "how much is it?" get hit with as much as they think they can sucker them out of.
Same with the Nigerian touts in Japan who seem to be great at helping fools part with their money. Carry yourself like a man and you won't even be approached by these people.
Same with beggar kids in Manila, who don't even approach me but are all over the next foreigner with a twinkle in his eye.
Hustlers can spot suckers.
BTW Gary that last girl was a great score. What was the EWR?
OralFanatic
12-17-12, 13:53
Found this video of Atlantis from 2011. Looks like a fashion show. Tiny, little outfits. Nice asses.
If these are 3000p model types, a couple are over rated.
SlimI think Atlantis is the most overrated club in AC. They have the highest concentration of lookers there, but I think they also have the highest concentration of girls that have somewhat of an attitude. I didn't encounter anyone who was rude, just girls who were somewhat aloof. Atlantis is one of the biggest bars in AC, has the highest concentration of good looking girls and has the highest EWR rates that I encountered. I think the girls are well aware that Atlantis is one of the premier clubs in AC and maybe they feel they are better than girls in other clubs. If their attitudes were better then I would agree but I didn't find this to be the case.
I went in there one time and spent about 3 hours drinking and 'interviewing' girls. I actually had one girl turn me down; that's the only time that has ever happened to me in AC. I asked my waitress to snag her when she came off the stage but my waitress returned and said she only keeps company with Koreans. I talked to another dozen or so girls and eventually BF's 2 friends. I had no idea what the BF's were and was a bit surprised when I was told it would be P6, 000 to take them both out, but the little head said pay the bill and off we went. The girls were pleasant, but my experience with them was too mechanical.
It is a rare occasion when this happens, but both the big head and little head agree we probably won't return to Atlantis; I've had far more fun in other AC clubs.
Good pictures. Better than those where you see some guys dick stuck in some girls mouth or her ass. Now watch the 3 year old behavior of calling me names begin.
Garry Smith
12-18-12, 01:08
Her name is Faye. Barfined her at Ponytail at PHP1800. Beautiful and friendly and can BJ too.
I stayed in AC for several weeks over the summer, took out plenty of barfines from probably 12 different bars, didn't have a single ST, no runners, not one tip given, not one tip requested, not one complaint received. One single girl left at 8 am to be with her kid, which was fine because I already got 3 pops. The rest I practically had to kick out.
I suspect it's like anywhere. When you walk into a hot toc in Vietnam for a blowjob and throw the normal amount down and give the normal tip you have no problems. Guys going in blind and asking "how much is it?" get hit with as much as they think they can sucker them out of.
Same with the Nigerian touts in Japan who seem to be great at helping fools part with their money. Carry yourself like a man and you won't even be approached by these people.
Same with beggar kids in Manila, who don't even approach me but are all over the next foreigner with a twinkle in his eye.
Hustlers can spot suckers.
BTW Gary that last girl was a great score. What was the EWR?
Garry Smith
12-18-12, 01:22
My another hot girl from Ponytail, Miss Gelai Salonga.
Garry Smith
12-18-12, 02:07
Marijel from Lancelot Bar.
Good pictures. Better than those where you see some guys dick stuck in some girls mouth or her ass. Now watch the 3 year old behavior of calling me names begin.Mack,
I will have you know that I try my best to behave at least at the four year old level and above! I can appreciate how some might not enjoy certain photos, to each his own. It seems to me that you used the post as faint praise. I am not sure why it was necessary to take a "shot" at another poster, soley because you don't like the pictures. To me,"better" is a very subjective term, and in this case is based on your opinion as opposed to fact. I would agree with you that the pictures of the lovlies are very nice and a pleasant reminder of the "treats" that are available to sample in AC. One the other hand, the "up close and personal" ones that you refer to hold some appeal as well. I would suggest that the use of the "ignore function" may be in order if you find a particular poster's offerings offensive. I for one appreciate everyone who does so, making the effort to post photos, as I am far behind the curve in that area.
And not once did I resort to "name calling".
Mr Enternational
12-18-12, 03:04
Her name is Faye. Barfined her at Ponytail at PHP1800. Beautiful and friendly and can BJ too.You must be a photographer. You are making them look like models. Some guy is going to get pissed when he gets there and the girls don't look the same as your pictures!
Garry Smith
12-18-12, 05:38
She still remember you bro. She's definitely good A.
I partook in a sexual interlude with Marijel during my last trip to Angeles City. She is a wonderful person and a fabulous performer. Go back in the Angeles City thread to see the pictures I posted of her on the pool deck of the ABC Hotel.
WestCoast1
12-18-12, 06:16
Good pictures. Better than those where you see some guys dick stuck in some girls mouth or her ass. Now watch the 3 year old behavior of calling me names begin.No name calling. Just curious as to what you mean by 'better' (such a subjective thing).
Also, looked thru your last 20 posts. Not a single picture. Seems odd that someone who is not a picture poster is a picture critic. Say hello to johnson: only one eye, but he loves to see and be seen.
Garry Smith
12-18-12, 08:15
Some of them are beautiful than any model that I photoshoot before, they also loved to be photograph and be their Facebook profile picture.
You must be a photographer. You are making them look like models. Some guy is going to get pissed when he gets there and the girls don't look the same as your pictures!
A short Atlantis clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0eeWLBVFQE
This is a compilation with several different bars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7h-bMM3UfI&list=PLBE7E9FE82B6F0D4A&index=56 By KingNothing0071.
Enjoy,
Slim
No name calling. Just curious as to what you mean by 'better' (such a subjective thing).
Also, looked thru your last 20 posts. Not a single picture. Seems odd that someone who is not a picture poster is a picture critic. Say hello to johnson: only one eye, but he loves to see and be seen.That is Mr. Johnson, you speak of. And the video proof is inconclusive that Mr. Johnson had previously or at anytime subsequent to the picture in fact enter said lady's mouth. Making assumptions that said activity in fact took place at all is pure speculation.
One can only hope that Mr. Johnson did in fact find his way into her mouth and / or any other of her orifices, lest she becomes disillusioned with his ability to perform when required. One would not want to disappointed such an obviously passionate young lass!
WestCoast1
12-18-12, 14:58
That is Mr. Johnson, you speak of. And the video proof is inconclusive that Mr. Johnson had previously or at anytime subsequent to the picture in fact enter said lady's mouth. Making assumptions that said activity in fact took place at all is pure speculation.
One can only hope that Mr. Johnson did in fact find his way into her mouth and / or any other of her orifices, lest she becomes disillusioned with his ability to perform when required. One would not want to disappointed such an obviously passionate young lass!Soooooo right Sky!
Yes, Mr. Johnson made it to his intended destination. That guy is hell-bent on satisifaction. Proof-positive below. Heavy on the MISTER, gents.
Garry Smith
12-18-12, 23:07
She beautiful and young too. From which bar bro? Thank you for picture sharing here.
Cassandra and I outside the ABC Hotel, Angeles City, April. 2012.
Everytime I go to AC I get conflicting feelings. The girls are so short it is unbelievable and many are not pretty. On the other hand most are nice girls, many of them have babies and no husband which is why they work in the bar where they make around US$20 to spend the night with a punter. The place is dirty, stinks, and even though it is dirt cheap I still end up spending 200USD per night drinking in the bars and bringing back one or sometimes 2 girls. Then by morning when the alcohol has evaporated I usually wish they would just go away so I can look for better options, while they want to stick around because my room is better than where they live, they get free food and drinks and since I am nice to them they may as well spend the next night with me than with another punter they don't know. I won't even mention the girls don't care if you use a condom and while most are clean some definitely have pussies smelling like burnt rubber.
I have been to Angeles maybe 20 times, many waitresses know me by name, frankly I still don't know if I like the place. And no the fact that I have been there 20 times does not mean I like it, it just means I forgot or think it is going to be better next time. Speaking about waitresses I am still thinking they are better looking than the dancers, and they need to be seduced or at least pretend to, which is kind of a nice change from the regular meat supermarket experience. Yet as far as service goes YMMV. A lot.
That is life, enjoy!
LeknomForMe
12-20-12, 00:17
Everytime I go to AC I get conflicting feelings. The girls are so short it is unbelievable and many are not pretty. On the other hand most are nice girls, many of them have babies and no husband which is why they work in the bar where they make around US$20 to spend the night with a punter. The place is dirty, stinks, and even though it is dirt cheap I still end up spending 200USD per night drinking in the bars and bringing back one or sometimes 2 girls. Then by morning when the alcohol has evaporated I usually wish they would just go away so I can look for better options, while they want to stick around because my room is better than where they live, they get free food and drinks and since I am nice to them they may as well spend the next night with me than with another punter they don't know. I won't even mention the girls don't care if you use a condom and while most are clean some definitely have pussies smelling like burnt rubber.
I have been to Angeles maybe 20 times, many waitresses know me by name, frankly I still don't know if I like the place. And no the fact that I have been there 20 times does not mean I like it, it just means I forgot or think it is going to be better next time. Speaking about waitresses I am still thinking they are better looking than the dancers, and they need to be seduced or at least pretend to, which is kind of a nice change from the regular meat supermarket experience. Yet as far as service goes YMMV. A lot.
That is life, enjoy!Quick mahal, grab some ky and apply it to your asshole, you are about to get reamed by the budget troll cops LOL now spread them and get ready.
Just kidding,
Leknomforme
Everytime I go to AC I get conflicting feelings. The girls are so short it is unbelievable and many are not pretty. On the other hand most are nice girls, many of them have babies and no husband which is why they work in the bar where they make around US$20 to spend the night with a punter. The place is dirty, stinks, and even though it is dirt cheap I still end up spending 200USD per night drinking in the bars and bringing back one or sometimes 2 girls. Then by morning when the alcohol has evaporated I usually wish they would just go away so I can look for better options, while they want to stick around because my room is better than where they live, they get free food and drinks and since I am nice to them they may as well spend the next night with me than with another punter they don't know. I won't even mention the girls don't care if you use a condom and while most are clean some definitely have pussies smelling like burnt rubber.
I have been to Angeles maybe 20 times, many waitresses know me by name, frankly I still don't know if I like the place. And no the fact that I have been there 20 times does not mean I like it, it just means I forgot or think it is going to be better next time. Speaking about waitresses I am still thinking they are better looking than the dancers, and they need to be seduced or at least pretend to, which is kind of a nice change from the regular meat supermarket experience. Yet as far as service goes YMMV. A lot.
That is life, enjoy!That just about sums up my humble opinion and very bad experience of my 1st and last trip to AC just concluded. Will report more details later when I get over the scam, robbery and cheating expereinced there.
BrainDrain
12-20-12, 02:26
Speaking about waitresses I am still thinking they are better looking than the dancers, and they need to be seduced or at least pretend to, which is kind of a nice change from the regular meat supermarket experience. Yet as far as service goes YMMV. A lot.
That is life, enjoy!I just assume that the 'waitresses' are the dancers whom have been promoted. They may have started at dancers and have proven over time that they are better at getting mongers to spend cash.
In the bars, I think ever female is available. By offering them up in different forms. Dancers, waitress, drink waiter etc, it is just part of the marketing mix. Different strokes for different folks. AC is a service city after all.
I appreciated he other aspects of your field report. I agree that AC is all the things you say but for 20 visits, they must be doing something right.
For me. I like the variety. So much supply.
Happy hunting.
DB
Marijel from Lancelot Bar.Marijel the waitress, beautiful lady!
You're not allowed to have negative opinions about a place man. Didn't you see the kerfuffle on the Bangkok Reports board when I mentioned I didn't like BKK that much? LOL.Really? Could someone please confirm? If that is the case, are we to assume that all the postings are positive only because the negative ones are culled? That would give a warped impression of any place, so might not be worth coming for the right information then?
I just assume that the 'waitresses' are the dancers whom have been promoted. They may have started at dancers and have proven over time that they are better at getting mongers to spend cash.
In the bars, I think ever female is available. By offering them up in different forms. Dancers, waitress, drink waiter etc, it is just part of the marketing mix. Different strokes for different folks. AC is a service city after all.
I appreciated he other aspects of your field report. I agree that AC is all the things you say but for 20 visits, they must be doing something right.
For me. I like the variety. So much supply.
Happy hunting.
DBThe waitress, hostess, etc. Are all girls that got tired of being a dancing girl and all the sex usually. By taking on the new role, they actually have the option to say no if they don't want to leave with and have sex with a particular person. I actually bar fined me a hostess the last time I was in Angeles and she told me her story. It was awkward every night after that night because she'd always see me bar hopping around and bar fining random girls and I'd always have to walk past her at her bar. She would just watch me like an eagle! I felt a little bad because I guess she thought we had something special? Also, I always saw her at her host stand, so I guess it's a safe bet to assume she wasn't going home with a lot of mongers.
YG
Garry Smith
12-20-12, 14:39
Gher, you should take her last time. No regret A service.
Marijel the waitress, beautiful lady!
Garry Smith
12-20-12, 14:43
Gretchen and I, ABC Hotel, April 2011.Lugalzaggizi, she also beautiful. Later pm me her contact number ya. Thanks for sharing bro.
Really? Could someone please confirm? If that is the case, are we to assume that all the postings are positive only because the negative ones are culled? That would give a warped impression of any place, so might not be worth coming for the right information then?Hey, that's was argument too, but the 10-20 guys who jumped all over me very much disagreed.
What you described is exactly what happened to me in Cambodia. I heard nothing but positives, here and elsewhere, for years and years. When I got there, it was a much different story.
YMMV.
Hey, that's was argument too, but the 10-20 guys who jumped all over me very much disagreed.
What you described is exactly what happened to me in Cambodia. I heard nothing but positives, here and elsewhere, for years and years. When I got there, it was a much different story.
YMMV.So, after been to both places, which do you think is better? Cambodia, or AC?
Everytime I go to AC I get conflicting feelings. The girls are so short it is unbelievable and many are not pretty. On the other hand most are nice girls, many of them have babies and no husband which is why they work in the bar where they make around US$20 to spend the night with a punter. The place is dirty, stinks, and even though it is dirt cheap I still end up spending 200USD per night drinking in the bars and bringing back one or sometimes 2 girls. Then by morning when the alcohol has evaporated I usually wish they would just go away so I can look for better options, while they want to stick around because my room is better than where they live, they get free food and drinks and since I am nice to them they may as well spend the next night with me than with another punter they don't know. I won't even mention the girls don't care if you use a condom and while most are clean some definitely have pussies smelling like burnt rubber.
I have been to Angeles maybe 20 times, many waitresses know me by name, frankly I still don't know if I like the place. And no the fact that I have been there 20 times does not mean I like it, it just means I forgot or think it is going to be better next time. Speaking about waitresses I am still thinking they are better looking than the dancers, and they need to be seduced or at least pretend to, which is kind of a nice change from the regular meat supermarket experience. Yet as far as service goes YMMV. A lot.
That is life, enjoy!Change is good so change your mongering destination. AC is nothing special, it's a fuck town, guys go there to fuck, one, two, three or more at a time. IMHO the lookers are far and few between but that said the lookers are not known to be great dick suckers. AC is an awesome place for BBBJ's, laying around drinking beer poolside and maybe get a tan while recovering from the night before. That's all I can think of doing there and that is what I am dying for right now. I will visit in February and get my fill. I love places like AC. No balony, just (full on) filipina pussy. It feels like the edge of reality and I like being close to the edge sometimes.
If you don't like the place after a few visits move tf on. I love (to visit) the place a few days now and then, that will never change unless the town (itself) changes. Next trip, AC, Subic, Cebu, Bohol.
Ok, carry on men.
On my last night in AC, I really did not was to screw up. So I went back to Alaska to look for Daizy. Well, that night was Daizy's night off! So I sat there wondering what to do. I really did not fancy walking all over AC checking out the bars and getting another dud. So I started to look at the Alaskan girls closely, telling myself that I have to pick one from here. I finally settled on a cute girl name Ann. I waved to her to come over. She was immediately cuddly and chatty which was a good sign. We talked for a while and then I BF her. When we left Alaska around 9:30 PM, I took her to a little restaurant to eat as we were hungry. Then we went back to my hotel.
When we go to my room, I asked her if she wants to shower first or should I? She said 'why can't we shower together? ' You should see the smile on my face. I knew it was going to be a great night. It was! We not only had great sex but we cuddled and talked into the night and she stayed until late morning. I am sorry Westcoast, I gave her a nice tip.
That afternoon I took a trike to Dau and then hopped on a Victory Liner bus to Manila, then the MIA bus to Manila Airport. Fortunately I got the emails of my two favorite girls from Alaska, Daizy & Ann. We have been exchanging emails regularly but they have not asked for money. I can't wait to return in February. I know this time I will have at least 2 great nights!
So, after been to both places, which do you think is better? Cambodia, or AC?Are you kidding? Not even close. For mongering, AC by ten miles.
Go through the Cambodia thread. Find my multiple posts in the last 6 months, plus the others from recent visitors (and take note of the prices guys were asked, refusals of bjs or even going out at all, etc).
As for "quality of life," the two are probably on par with each other. But god help whoever has to live in either.
So, after been to both places, which do you think is better? Cambodia, or AC?I have been to Phnom Penh and Siem Reap once; and AC twice. I like them both but AC is better for me. Pinays are generally more GFE. Siem Reap has $5 one hour cute girl masseuses who will come to your hotel room and bang you for a small tip. Also Angor what is amazing there, if you like sightseeing. Cheap food and accomodations. It all depends on the girls you meet. I have met nice ones everywhere and an occasional dud. It's difficult to find busty, slim Asians but if you ask around and look around they are there.
Doppel One
12-21-12, 16:16
So, after been to both places, which do you think is better? Cambodia, or AC?Many guys who were in Cambodia back around the year 2000, that era, simply can't go back now because it is a shadow of its former self from a mongering perspective. Those years were the best. Period. But times move on and places change. The one thing Phnom Penh has got going for it still is that it's a real SE Asian city with real people and a thriving culture and not an 'affectation' which exists purely to serve the purposes of tourism. One of the things I hate about AC is its lack of character and the feeling that you're in an adult themed amusement park (which in effect you are). The same can be said for Pattaya in Thailand, a city that is rapidly becoming so untypically Thai I'm surprised the government doesn't annex it and grant it independent status. I think my point here is that if you want pussy to the exclusion of 'culture' then AC is great place to visit. If you enjoy experiencing the flavors of a more exotic culture while mongering then Phnom Penh isn't a bad choice even if the scene nowadays can't compare with years gone by.
I really don't know what the Philippines was like before 'American culture' sunk its teeth into the place but surely it couldn't have been any shitter than it is now?
American culture arrived via gunship about 115 years ago, after Spain handed it over. Before that, Spanish culture was forced upon the Philippines for close to 4 centuries.
AC is an absolute dead end. Filthy, crowded, stinky, with no activities or redeemable qualities outside of mongering. It is what it is, an adult entertainment R&R place built as an adjunct to a defunct US military base.
What you say about mongering in PP rings absolutely true, but some of the people who continue to live there or visit for some reason don't like to admit it. On the 'culture' stuff I'm not quite sure. Unless you think a complete lack of traffic controls, bribery and corruption, shoeless beggar children, forever pestering moto dops and tuk tuks, drug dealers and bar snatchers, & pollution and urban decay is something genuine or thriving?
Pattaya may lack "Thai culture" whatever that is, but it sure is a cleaner and safer place, with more and often more inexpensive options. After all, this is a mongering board. If you're looking for culture, there are probably other places that are better tuned in. I've found that quality mongering and "genuine culture" very rarely go hand in hand.
So, after been to both places, which do you think is better? Cambodia, or AC?For pure mongering AC wins hands down. But there is nothing else to do there. I get tired and lose my interest after 3-4 days and go to Manila for a change.
This time I will visit Boracay and Cebu before I return to AC for a second go.
In Cambodia you can combine mongering with some sightseeing, a visit to the beach of Shihanookville or the temples of Angkor W-a-t on the north.
You can even cross the boarder to Saigon on a 6 hour bus trip from Pnom Penh .
From Saigon you can fly to Manila cheap on Cebupacific air. Or from Manila you can fly to Siem Reap or the opposite.
Take your pick.
Mr Enternational
12-21-12, 19:20
So, after been to both places, which do you think is better? Cambodia, or AC?Like guys say AC is better for mongering. But after my first time there three years ago I said that I didn't need to go again. (I live in Pattaya.) There isn't shit else to do there besides bars and the mall. I have gone every year since though only because I go diving around PI then I go to AC and stay 2 days to get my Tiger Air flight back to Bangkok. 2 days is all I can take in that place.
I went to Phnom Penh and Siem Reap back in March. I saw all the sights (100+ countries and Angkor Wat is definitely the best thing I have seen on this planet; second Machu Picchu) and got some mongering in on the side. I spent 5 days in the country. There is no need for me to return. I would be bored stiff (no pun intended) if I was only to go there for mongering.
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