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Rick Rock
01-16-13, 04:08
Depends on the bar or the visitor maybe? Never had a girl refuse to go out with me. Took many dozens from many different bars. Pretty sure it's against the rules in a lot of places for them to refuse you, and while I wouldn't want to go with someone who didn't want to go with me, I think they'll have a lot of trouble with the mamasan if they refuse barfines (cherry girls are another story, but that's marked right on their I'd so no problem there).

Sure it could happen, especially at a place like Atlantis. I have seen girls refuse to go out with Koreans and some other older white guys. I'd say at least half of the Pinays I've been with have told me they don't like Koreans, Japanese, black guys and / or Indians. They seem to like to volunteer this information. Asked one girl who I ended up taking a few days why she didn't go with the big spender Korean she was sitting with early. She said "Koreans are bad. Drink okay, but not go out. I always tell them I have mens [period] if they try to barfine me."

YMMV is the key I guess.

Hutsori
01-16-13, 04:17
There is definitely an over abundance of Koreans here and they are the favorite sons of the girls. I was shut down quite a few times."I don't go with foreigner." seems to be taught at hooker school. What they mean is they don't go with anyone not Korean. Offered one girl a hefty tip and she was still a no go. Best is to ask the mamma san about the girl you're interested in and if she goes with foreigners otherwise you're going to waste a lot of lady drinks. Good for the girl and the bar, not so for your wallet. The hotter the girl the more likely she doesn't bar fine, is cherry, or only goes with Koreans. Don't waste your time there is no shortage.The catchphrase they picked up from the Koreans. When Koreans are overseas and are the foreigner themselves they still call everyone waegukin / waeguknom (foreigner / foreign bastard). They're thin-skinned, point-and-grunt goose steppers and those girls quickly learn they'll lose access to oppa's wallet if they're seen mingling with non Ferengis. Of course if you were paying thousands more than market rate why also suffer the humiliation of the girl laughing right at your cock and suffering ED? If you've ever had the misfortune of visiting Korea's no-foreigners-allowed pay-for-play districts you'll find the glass-windows girls turn their backs on you (literally, a 180-degree turn) and the Korean blokes hiss "AIDS" as you pass them in the lanes. It's their land and they can shun who they please. It's no surprise the Koreans have brought this baggage with them; it's a pity some Filipinas, who tend to gregariousness, have picked up this rather detestable character flaw.

What RR mentions about Pinays' dislike of particular groups I've heard also, blacks and Indians in particular.

Concarne
01-16-13, 04:19
Depends on the bar or the visitor maybe?

Sure it could happen, especially at a place like Atlantis. I have seen girls refuse to go out with Koreans and some other older white guys. I'd say at least half of the Pinays I've been with have told me they don't like Koreans, Japanese, black guys and / or Indians. They seem to like to volunteer this information. Asked one girl who I ended up taking a few days why she didn't go with the big spender Korean she was sitting with early. She said "Koreans are bad. Drink okay, but not go out. I always tell them I have mens [period] if they try to barfine me."

YMMV is the key I guess.I have to agree with the above. Some of the girls we chatted up would tell stories about how rude the k guys were to them, how they mistreated them, screamed at them etc. Some of them also were no excited to go out with indians or african americans. On the othe hand I did have one chick I liked a lot at Insomnia tell me that she only went out with koreans. However 2 days later she was riding me cowgirl style.

Concarne
01-16-13, 04:22
Muppen1,

Try Bourbon Street Condotel you can contact them at info@rovimar.com And maybe get a better long term rate. It is located next to the Wild Orchid hotel and you have access to there pool and room service. Below is a link to there web site.

http://rovimar.com/rooms.phpI thought about doing this myself on my upcoming trip. I did want to make sure that the WO pool was available however. It does not matter which studior or suite you rent at the Condotel right?

Has anyone rented there recently? Maybe rec a particular studio or suite?

TIA

PinkPearl
01-16-13, 04:34
angeles city process of checking the girls is laugh. ask the girls and you will crumble in stitches. it consist of a visual inspection of her vagina and vulva. safe to say, you can spot some sti`s visually but most you can't. with the vigorous way they douche their pussies after peeing or showering, a vaginal discharge will need an hour to accumulate.

the clinic guys at hygiene do a swab test which l doubt is checked properly due to the large numbers of girls attending daily. th levels of hiv in the philippines are rising especially in clusters with the huge percentages to be found around the areas which cater for sex. with all the bare backing going on in angeles and the philippines as a whole, an hiv explosion is soon to be announced. the levels in angeles are rising but due to no proper hiv awarenes and testing program, it will be a while before the full extent in known.

condom use in the philippines has increased slightly with now more girls asking me first to use a condom unlike l asking as she is about to dip it in uncovered. its when you keep the girls for longer that the "trust" builds and condoms are no longer asked for. hiv testing in angeles is low if existent so by the time one is diagnosed, they would be ill with opportunistic infections years down the track having infected others.

check out this link.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/53308/makati-not-among-6-ph-cities-most-at-risk-of-hivthe link you posted is all about men having sex with men being a hiv problem in the philippines, so has little if anything to do with heterosexual sex in ac.

the weekly test consists of a visual inspection & a swab? can anyone confirm this with reliable sources?

the contention that large numbers being tested makes the swab test unreliable is questionable & needs further elaboration to even be considered.

btw if a lady is negative for stis other than hiv, that makes her far less likely to transmit hiv, even if she is hiv positive.

the levels of hiv in the philippines are rising? even if true, they were so ridiculously low, they had nowhere to go but up.

if its up from 4 to 10 in 15, 000, who cares. it is still ridiculously low.

annual hiv testing and weekly sti testing weeds out the bad apples, something that doesn't occur elsewhere in asia, like hkg, phnom penh or bangkok.

PinkPearl
01-16-13, 04:42
If you are not into pay for play then AC is not for you. Manila girls tend to speak better english, can hold conversation better, are more fun especially if manila native and know some cool places to show you. In AC you will struggle to find action without paying unless you are asian. Yes its possible, but its MUCH harder then elsewhere. Bottom line is there is stigma to a girl being seen with foreigner especially if there is a large age gap. In AC simply everyone assumes she is a working girl. Most natives don't even want to hang around with girls from other provinces as they assume they were / are bar girls hence why come to AC over Manila.

Having said all this I do recommend you visit AC. There is 8 and above to be found in the bars, high end KTVs and discos. Pay for play has its own advantages, just as banging regular girls.Would this stigma re foreigners & age gap apply to the bar & mongering scene in AC, or elsewhere in AC?

Or is the AC bar scene like that in Pattaya and Bangkok?

Is the bar area in AC generally safer than Manila?

Or will the former also be full of child beggars mobbing you & gun slinging mobsters waiting for a chance to rob you?

Ej2208
01-16-13, 06:58
I thought about doing this myself on my upcoming trip. I did want to make sure that the WO pool was available however. It does not matter which studior or suite you rent at the Condotel right?

Has anyone rented there recently? Maybe rec a particular studio or suite?

TIAI stayed at Bourbon last month and saw a few of there guest using WO Pool. Both hotel is connected by a corridor so you don't have to leave either hotel to visit the other. You can also call the wild orchid restaurant and they will deliver room service to your suite or studio. I think there is some kind of agreement between the two hotels to share their amenities.

Rick Rock
01-16-13, 07:37
The weekly test consists of a visual inspection & a swab? Can anyone confirm this with reliable sources?They line up on their day off and get a pap smear in public (in full view of the other girls waiting). That's it. If they pay a little more they can get the pap smear in private.

No HIV testing, no blood testing. And again, if they come up positive for something that doesn't mean they have to quit working, depending on the bar. I knew of at least two girls who absolutely had herpes outbreaks on their pussies and continued working with full knowledge of the German owner.

ManonsanBoy
01-16-13, 09:00
They line up on their day off and get a pap smear in public (in full view of the other girls waiting). That's it. If they pay a little more they can get the pap smear in private.

I knew of at least two girls who absolutely had herpes outbreaks on their pussies and continued working with full knowledge of the German owner.These tests are next to useless the way they are done there. Wear condoms.

Red Kilt
01-16-13, 09:22
These tests are next to useless the way they are done there. Wear condoms.Agreed.

Lots of guys boast how they always go bareback in AC (and everywhere else) but I suspect only a very small percentage actually post about any diseases that they contract. I think the absence of posts does not correlate with the incidence of infections. After all, who wants to admit that they caught something while mongering?

PinkPearl
01-16-13, 11:47
Lots of guys boast how they always go bareback in AC (and everywhere else) but I suspect only a very small percentage actually post about any diseases that they contract. I think the absence of posts does not correlate with the incidence of infections. After all, who wants to admit that they caught something while mongering?I'd suggest you don't hear about it because anything serious, namely HIV, is not easy to catch via heterosexual sex.

And other things aren't even worth mentioning.

For example, I caught a Chlamydia infection from a BBBJ or BBFS in BKK. It was far less annoying than a typical mosquito bite, which BTW has the potential to kill you.

In BKK you are much more likely to die from a motor vehicle incident than a STI.


They line up on their day off and get a pap smear in public (in full view of the other girls waiting). That's it. If they pay a little more they can get the pap smear in private.

No HIV testing, no blood testing. And again, if they come up positive for something that doesn't mean they have to quit working, depending on the bar. I knew of at least two girls who absolutely had herpes outbreaks on their pussies and continued working with full knowledge of the German owner.I don't see the point of weekly pap smears. According to the following they are only recommended once every 3 to 5 years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pap_test

Numerous sources I've seen indicate AC bar girls must be HIV tested annually if not monthly, STI tested weekly & the HIV rates are very low.

Certainly far less than the recent research indicating 2 percent HIV amongst P4P female Thai workers in venues. Unsurprisingly, streetwalker rates were much higher.

The worst HIV rates involve gay sex which I assume is far more prevalent in P4P in BKK than either Manila or AC. IDUs also have similarly high HIV rates.

But I'm sure there are people who'd like us to believe AC is a hellish cesspool in order to keep this little heaven to themselves. LOL.

FruitNinja
01-16-13, 12:37
Depends on the bar or the visitor maybe? Never had a girl refuse to go out with me. Took many dozens from many different bars. Pretty sure it's against the rules in a lot of places for them to refuse you, and while I wouldn't want to go with someone who didn't want to go with me, I think they'll have a lot of trouble with the mamasan if they refuse barfines (cherry girls are another story, but that's marked right on their I'd so no problem there).

Sure it could happen, especially at a place like Atlantis. I have seen girls refuse to go out with Koreans and some other older white guys. I'd say at least half of the Pinays I've been with have told me they don't like Koreans, Japanese, black guys and / or Indians. They seem to like to volunteer this information. Asked one girl who I ended up taking a few days why she didn't go with the big spender Korean she was sitting with early. She said "Koreans are bad. Drink okay, but not go out. I always tell them I have mens [period] if they try to barfine me."

YMMV is the key I guess.It might be an age thing. I'm 55 and out of the 6 of us there was only one guy younger. I pull young girls in the states on a regular basis. Look at some of my posts on the USA guide for quality.

I had a few mamasans outright tell me that a girl only goes with Koreans. I started asking after getting a few rebuffs. There is no pressure for the girl to barfine. Every mamasan will tell you thats "its up to the girl." I imagine if it were mandatory it would put it into another light as far as the law was concerned. I know of a few stories where a girl ran without any service and the guys were told "All you are paying for is the girls to leave the bar with you." Anything else would be prostitution I guess.

A good play is to engage and buy the mama a few drinks and get her sitting with you. That way you get the lowdown on the girls. They will tell you if they get complaints about them, if they are enthusiastic and if they go with "foreigners"

Streetlooker
01-16-13, 20:40
Agreed.

Lots of guys boast how they always go bareback in AC (and everywhere else) but I suspect only a very small percentage actually post about any diseases that they contract. I think the absence of posts does not correlate with the incidence of infections. After all, who wants to admit that they caught something while mongering?I have caught stuff while mongering whats so hard confessing to something like that? I go bareback from time to time in AC not always on every girl but once I am with a girl a few days I have done it. The STD clinics in AC are always busy so guys are getting things. The free clinic here in my hometown is always full on STD days. Shot and pills and your back in the game.

Sammon
01-16-13, 22:42
They line up on their day off and get a pap smear in public (in full view of the other girls waiting). That's it. If they pay a little more they can get the pap smear in private.

No HIV testing, no blood testing. And again, if they come up positive for something that doesn't mean they have to quit working, depending on the bar. I knew of at least two girls who absolutely had herpes outbreaks on their pussies and continued working with full knowledge of the German owner.It is not a pap smear. Pap smear is used exclusively to detect cervical cancer. They put the smear on a slide and examine under a microscope to detect cancer or pre-cancerous cells. It is done here in USA once a year as regular check up. Nowadays they have vaccinations for cervical cancer because it is caused by human papilloma virus transmitted during sexual enclunter. Men do carry this virus but it does cause any problems to men except for warts in some cases.

Girls in A tell me once a week they need to go for " Hygiene " examination. The nurse most often examines the vagina and if she find anything like redness, smell etc she refers to the Doctor and Doctor will look into it further. Only if some discharge or smell or redness is seen they take a swab. Not sure what they do with the swab. If a girl fails it will be stamped on her report and she is advised to get treatment from other doctors. She is also adviced to stop working or having sex.

Generally what happens is only girls who are fastidious in keep[ing clean and have money to do it go to a specialist and get treated. Most go to the corner pharmacy and get antibiotis. Most go through the whole course. Bars do not stop them from working. She is only advised not to barfine. Sceanario is she waits for two weeks and voila- she passes hygiene test. Women can go a long time with STD without it causing harm. Only the symptoms disappear but rarely the cause. I know of couple of girls who were told to gome home for a month and get treated.

At no time full STD detection and treatment is done. No lab tests are ordered. Having said this there are girls who go to a specialist once a year to get full STD check ups are done and treated if necessary.

So the age old question is why AC girls in perticular and Philippine girls in general readily jump into unprotected sex?

All of these girls are very poor. They feel simple fact to ask the men to wear condoms is degrading suggesting they are dirty girls. Remember they do not consider themselves as common prostitutes.

All men like to have natural sex. Thai women insist on condoms because of the scare a while ago.

FruitNinja
01-16-13, 22:42
The catchphrase they picked up from the Koreans. When Koreans are overseas and are the foreigner themselves they still call everyone waegukin / waeguknom (foreigner / foreign bastard). They're thin-skinned, point-and-grunt goose steppers and those girls quickly learn they'll lose access to oppa's Wallet if they're seen mingling with non Ferengis. Of course if you were paying thousands more than market rate why also suffer the humiliation of the girl laughing right at your cock and suffering ED? If you've ever had the misfortune of visiting Korea's no-foreigners-allowed pay-for-play districts you'll find the glass-windows girls turn their backs on you (literally, a 180-degree turn) and the Korean blokes hiss "AIDS" as you pass them in the lanes. It's their land and they can shun who they please. It's no surprise the Koreans have brought this baggage with them; it's a pity some Filipinas, who tend to gregariousness, have picked up this rather detestable character flaw.

What RR mentions about Pinays' dislike of particular groups I've heard also, blacks and Indians in particular.I type this as the hottest 20 year old I have ever bedded is laying next to me. Report in Manila thread.

It's easy to pretend that you're some kind of badass when you're country is left to prosper because you have a bodyguard in the US Military. I wonder where they would be today if they had to defend themselves from the north. I can guarantee there wouldn't be a Gangnam area or hookers turning their back on foreigners. I used to do two Korean college students back home. When I think back they were both stuck up. One said that "Pearl of the Orient" was coined for Korean women. I've never seen that association in literature. One was going to let me do her from the rear as I was telling her I didn't want to deal with her shit any longer. I kinda wish I had done it.

FruitNinja
01-16-13, 22:47
I'm not sure if it's any different in Manila than in Angeles but I know a bar owner on Burgos. I saw him last night and he said that they did do testing. Pap smear and full STD check. I know him from mongering in MDE. I didn't press him but he's going to be showing me around Manila the next few days, I'll see if I can get more details. He seemed a little shocked that I even asked that.

Mr Enternational
01-17-13, 01:10
Thai women insist on condoms because of the scare a while ago.Where are these Thai women you speak of? I have never met a one. Pro or non-pro.

PinkPearl
01-17-13, 01:46
Where are these Thai women you speak of? I have never met a one. Pro or non-pro.I had 2 NEP area streetwalkers insist on a condom for sex the other day in Bangkok. One even required it for oral.

Though IME 90 percent of them will forgoe the plastic baggie for everything, if they are properly motivated.

Maestro Boy
01-17-13, 01:59
Will be in Angeles City in February. Anyone interested in meeting up and sharing info.

FruitNinja
01-17-13, 03:36
My last night in AC was spent with a waitress. She agreed to stay until 4. After a bit of fun and close to 4 she asks when she could leave. I tell her whenever she feels like but there better be a dish of pork adobe, some coffee, and my luggage better be packed when I wake up. We wake up about 9. She asks if she can take a shower. Of course. When she gets all showered and dressed she asks if she can leave and I tell her "of course." She says: "Ok, I will go after I help you pack." She proceeded to fold all why clothes and lay them out on the bed as I watched in awe.

That says it all.

Mc Don
01-17-13, 14:12
Will be in Angeles City in February. Anyone interested in meeting up and sharing info.Maestro long time no see. I will be in AC around early feb, then off to cebu (not sure yet) and manila. Let me know the dates, I get to AC Jan 30.

Llantarnam
01-17-13, 19:55
It is not a pap smear. Pap smear is used exclusively to detect cervical cancer.The Papanicolaou test (also called Pap smear, Pap test, cervical smear, or smear test) is a screening test used to detect potentially pre-cancerous and cancerous processes in the endocervical canal (transformation zone) of the female reproductive system. Changes can be treated, thus preventing cervical cancer.

Fast Eddie 48
01-17-13, 22:40
My last night in AC was spent with a waitress. She agreed to stay until 4. After a bit of fun and close to 4 she asks when she could leave. I tell her whenever she feels like but there better be a dish of pork adobe, some coffee, and my luggage better be packed when I wake up. We wake up about 9. She asks if she can take a shower. Of course. When she gets all showered and dressed she asks if she can leave and I tell her "of course." She says: "Ok, I will go after I help you pack." She proceeded to fold all why clothes and lay them out on the bed as I watched in awe.

That says it all.FruitNinja,

Yes Waitress in AC have better attuide and more GFE than bar girl, if you don't mind older girl most have baby and extra baggage and they will try harder for you.

Fast Eddie 48

PinkPearl
01-18-13, 06:07
Sure it could happen, especially at a place like Atlantis. I have seen girls refuse to go out with Koreans and some other older white guys. I'd say at least half of the Pinays I've been with have told me they don't like Koreans, Japanese, black guys and / or Indians. They seem to like to volunteer this information. Asked one girl who I ended up taking a few days why she didn't go with the big spender Korean she was sitting with early. She said "Koreans are bad. Drink okay, but not go out. I always tell them I have mens [period] if they try to barfine me."Why do they say Koreans are bad?

That's strange since the following report found PI girls had the opposite attitude about Koreans.


There is definitely an over abundance of Koreans here and they are the favorite sons of the girls. I was shut down quite a few times."I don't go with foreigner." seems to be taught at hooker school. What they mean is they don't go with anyone not Korean. Offered one girl a hefty tip and she was still a no go. Best is to ask the mamma san about the girl you're interested in and if she goes with foreigners otherwise you're going to waste a lot of lady drinks. Good for the girl and the bar, not so for your wallet. The hotter the girl the more likely she doesn't bar fine, is cherry, or only goes with Koreans. Don't waste your time there is no shortage. I've been here for a few days and had at least one girl a day, two on two days. My cock needs a day off.What would it take to get a Korean loving hot PI bar girl to go out with a non Korean such as a European or North American?

In Thailand the word is the TGs love Korean & Japanese customers because they are small, quick, pay more & better mannered.

Which is hard to beat. What am I going to do, cut my dick in half? Cum in 5 seconds just to make her happy? Nah.

Popper1
01-18-13, 12:45
Left AC January second week. Now back home, and headed Pattaya beg February. Just a few parting thoughts.

Before leaving Pattaya decided read the last ISG 1000 posts (over 600 pages total). Learned nothing special. Most stuff I learned on my own, and have been going here since 1999. OK, here are my stats, posted in the most readable way possible.

DIA gals: Attempted to contact, three. Successful encounters: zero. One gal almost showed up but canceled the last minute. I have never had luck with DIA Gals. Refuse to put my pic there, so that could be it.

Total time in AC: About 2. 5 weeks.

Number of bar fines: One, Lancelot (1900 p). Was it worth it? No.

Number of women: Had one or two gals a day. Closer to the one side. One day took a rest.

Number of LDs bought: Just over a handful.

Number of sneakout attempts: Five. Number successful: One.

Recommended Bars: The perimeter bars are very nice. Have great gals. Recall EWR in the 1200 - 1500 peso range. If you must pay EWRs go to them !!

Number of financial dealings with touts: Zero.

Number of times I gave money to beggars: Three times. Old ladies w / o babies and away from Fields.

Health problems: Every time I head to AC I get what I call the AC crud. It is just the runny nose, sore throat, etc. Get run down. Due to all the pollution. Same thing happened this trip, and I still have it. Still can't get past that one.

Price for Cialis: 130 baht for a box of four. Go to a money changer, north of Marg Station but not as far as the intersection. There is a Vit V and Vit C box in the window. She wanted 150, which I know a good price. If you get quantity she will go to 140 and 130 pesos.

Where did I get my gals: Few from Raymos, Santos. (OK, arguably a bar fine of 700 for ST, but I do not consider this as really BFing, and no drinks / LDs at all.) Mostly I just go from the Street Action. Right on and around Field's Ave. Here is my technique, in logical order.

1. Smile. This is where your lips go up, you look happy, and . . . Oh forget it. Many of you reading this will never understand the concept.

2. As walking past gal, raise hand for a high-5 or low-5 (note: do not raise hand to attempt to strike gal because . . . Oh never mind.)

3. Repeat after me in this order. "Hi." "I love you." "What bar you work at?"

4. Ask gal a few questions about her bar, just to verify that she really does work at bar. "When your day off?"

5. "You go with me." (if ans 'not now', get her cell phone)

Most important is that you need to know how to play with them. Not look threatening. Humor helps. Personally I am in my 40s and do take care of myself physically, and these factors are in my favor. I got them figure 5 to 6 PM, and after 11:PM. Often took them to Jollee, McDs, Marg Station, or wherever. Have taken as many as four gal, and gotten all their phone numbers for later. Of course, whenever we go anywhere, I pay for everything.

Tho I take pride in being King Cheep Charlie, I have no problems giving gals presents, food, etc.

Amount paid: 1000 for ST. 1500 for LT. May give an extra 100 for travel.


Remember: The fun is in the hunt . . . and not in being spoon fed.


Number of duds: Zero.

Number of problems: Zero

Best gal: This is difficult to answer. Will say the one I LIKED the best however, and not the one with the best body. She worked at a place you cannot bar fine for a million pesos or even a million dollars. She works JJ's. Yes, a "real" gal who I could actually have a conversion with, a brain, and was amazing in the sack (and no, do not ask for her cell). I found her as she was going to work. I have absolute respect for her, as not a bar gal, and she was super horny.

Place wanted to go but never did: High Society. Where the gals FL gals supposedly go after 11:30. OK, once I went inside there, but it was too early and with a gal and place was pretty dead. Second time almost made it there, but there a 100 pesos cover charge, and was just not in the mood. Just grabbed gal on the street. Please if possible give reports on this place !

Diamond Subdivision (or whatever it's called): Never made it there. Perhaps next time.

Biggest WTF moment: When I found out one gal I had was a regular BF gal (BF at 1900 pesos) and a spotlight gal (BF at 3000) on different days . . . at the same bar. It's all in the packaging.

Hotels: Back the year 2000 I paid 500 to 600 pesos for a reasonable room. Inflation, I get it. However, when I hear of hotels charging buckets of cash in USDs and getting away with it, no wonder prices skyrocketing. Recommend hotels ONLY UNDER 1500 pesos. Yes they are around. And feel free to use shoe leather to find them. There are also plenty of apartments which you can rent monthly in the 1300 to 1500 peso range. Not difficult to find (and do not PM me on this, your PM will be deleted!)

On a side note, feel free to read my Pattaya Hotel report, which I will use for reference when I head back there early February.

Popper's Guide to Hotels in Pattaya
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3145-Popper1-s-Pattya-Hotel-Reports


Biggest frustration: Went to the post office to ship vitamins home. Supervisor of post office "We need original receipts." Eyes rolling back of the head: "Fine." Supervisor: "We also need prescription." Popper: "WHAT!" We got into a big argument. These were Kirkland Vitamins (Costco). Vitamin C, B, Calcium, Magnesium, and Amino Acids. Stated clearly as possible that vitamins need no prescription, and that a child could buy them in any vitamin store at SM Mall. She was a dense as a TSA agent or Fox News viewer. Argument was insane. She then insisted that I go to a doctor to get a prescription. I told her no self-respecting would give a prescription for these than a prescription for Oreo cookies.

* I found out later that Philippines doctors will give a prescription for vitamins. Or for that matter for Oreo Cookies . . . for about 200 pesos.

Anyway, resolved this by going to the other post office at the Medical center which is just over the bridge.

Cool item bought: A brand new second hand Sony-Ericsson k800i, which was I think made about 2008 for 1000 pesos (if interested in pic google it). Well, it newer than my other Sony-Ericsson cell anyway. Got it across the street from Nepo Mall and has a 3. 5 million px camera.

Here is a pic of a real cutie I had. She 20 years old with a third grade education. Drove me frigging nuts, w/ her texting me like 15 times a day. Good grief.

To respond to below, agreed that many of my gals have strong dislike for Koreans. No idea why. Will prob return to AC next year.

-Popper

Mc Don
01-18-13, 12:50
Why do they say Koreans are bad?

That's strange since the following report found PI girls had the opposite attitude about Koreans.

What would it take to get a Korean loving hot PI bar girl to go out with a non Korean such as a European or North American?

In Thailand the word is the TGs love Korean & Japanese customers because they are small, quick, pay more & better mannered.

Which is hard to beat. What am I going to do, cut my dick in half? Cum in 5 seconds just to make her happy? Nah.MONEY. OFFER 10K tip for 2nights and she is yours, if we are talking AC. Personally I would not bother and I would never pay that sort of cash for a korean loving AC bar girl but if you want the answer then that is it. In bars like ICARUS for instance you can find plenty of girls that don't care about your background even though the bar is aimed at the korean customers and the get preference. Same goes for AFTER SCHOOL and TIGHT JEANS (same owner).

D Cups
01-18-13, 15:16
Nice report, Pops. Thanks.


-Popper

Threadbare
01-18-13, 21:59
Went at end of November, planning to spend 2 days in AC. 2 in Manila and 2 in Cebu. Arrived at 01. 35 flight from BKK and picked up by hotel car (Pacific Breeze). Went out straight away had a couple of beers and started looking around for some company. I walked along Fields, and around Teodoro Street made eye contact with a likely candidate, though was just dresed in tee shirt and jeans. Did the deal at 1500 LT and back to hotel. She told me she was not a regular, just needed to pay electricity bill. She was really nice girl, and fun too. She left in the morning and I invited her back that night for dinner. Early afternoon I had another pop ST with a sweet young thing walking along Santos close to PB, and after an afternoon nap my dinner date returned. We ate in the hotel, and had another all night session, for which I gave her the same "tip". I was leaving to MNL on the afternoon Swagman bus, but a late morning walk along Fields and I spotted a couple of sweet young things. I got the eye from the smaller slimmer hotter one and asked her to join me for ST, which she agreed, but wanted her friend to come along too just to wait. I decided to do both of them together and gave them 1000 each, and exchanged phone numbers too. So off to MNL via Swagman (picked up from PB) but things did not turn out well. I decided to return to AC instead of going to Cebu, so after a couple of days I was back in PB, again via Swagman travel, from Swagman Resort in MNL. (its good reliable service, takes 1. 5.2 hours and costs 600p per trip.) First night back (Friday) I did my only BF of the trip, in a very small bar on Constain St off Fields. Couple of beers there first, with LDsat150, then took a cute one LT for 750 BF and gave her same again for a tip in the morning. There was another cute one in the same bar and I wanted to do her too but she was on her period, so said wait till Sunday night. (I've noticed that most Ph girls seem to have short periods, often 3 days, to go with their small amount of hair. Mmmmm delightful). Later in the day I decided to call up the 2 I had met before I left, and after fixing a time to meet in the hotel they came running, and ended up staying till Monday afternoon when I flew out! They didn t want to do anything with each other but were happy to work me together, sweet! Ended up buying them a few things, dress, swimsuit, underwear, teddy bear etc, and they were happy as larry. Sunday night they wanted to do Karaoke, not my favorite, but the beer was fairly cheap so we did it. They met another girl friend who sort of tagged along with us too for the evening, bit of bar hopping and ended up back at PB drinking at the pool around 2 am. Durng conversation the third one told one of the others that she hadn t been done for about 3 months and was pretty horny. Well a nod's as good as a wink to a blind beggar, so I told the 2 I would go to the room and do her while they went for a swim. She certainly was one horny *****, sucking me DT and I lined her up on her back over the edge of the bed so I could watch it bulging her throat. Had her for about an hour, even squirted for me, then the others turned up. Was about all in by then so we all went to sleep for a while, and kicked off again in the morning with the small cutie sucking to wake me and the little man up, then climbing on for a ride cowgirl. Did the three of them before I came so we were all happy! When it came time to leave gave them each 2000, and everybody was happy! Certainly days to remember, and I have managed to fix up another visit in a couple of weeks. Can't wait I love it, hope to meet one or two fellow member travellers too, though I do normally hunt alone. Plan to find the "Sunday night" girl, and try to get along Perimeter Road this time too.

Some thoughts:

Money change. Used changer on Fields about opposite Chicken BBQ. And used the Chicken BBQ to eat a couple of times too, soooo good and cheap! PB hotel offered 10% discount on bill for cash when I checked out. They will change money too.

ATM. Keep walking past the BBQ on your right and there is an ATM on the right, set back a few feet, next to a bar entrance (can t remember name but its red)

Transport. Used the motor trikes but only with the girls giving directions. PB to SM mall = 100p.

Trouble. Didn t find or see any. Just take care. Don t carry much cash, and only carry card for ATM in daylight. Lock everything valuable in hotel safe. Don t flash money or fancy watch or fancy phone or fancy anything else. Just take care and have fun!

X Man
01-19-13, 02:08
As of Dec 2012 Tight Jeans is closed as was a place called Extasy. Both were fairly new, but small places at the east end of fields. I first visited both places around March 2012.


MONEY. OFFER 10K tip for 2nights and she is yours, if we are talking AC. Personally I would not bother and I would never pay that sort of cash for a korean loving AC bar girl but if you want the answer then that is it. In bars like ICARUS for instance you can find plenty of girls that don't care about your background even though the bar is aimed at the korean customers and the get preference. Same goes for AFTER SCHOOL and TIGHT JEANS (same owner).

Chris Long
01-19-13, 04:47
Chris Long in Angeles City Philippines.

Had the opportunity to spend a week in Angeles City and It surpassed any experience I have had in any other location.

Date in Asia:

I joined this web site about two weeks before my trip, my personal opinion is that it may have some use if you are visiting a place that is not as developed in P4P as Angels is, but if you are going to visit Angeles there no need for DIA.

Singapore Airlines:

The flight is LONG I mean LONG but Singapore Airlines is top notch. The stewardesses look like models strait off the run way and they feed you like a king I must have been served eight meals in the thirty hour flight with snacks and drinks in between, free moves, games etc. To keep you occupied.

Airport:

The airport both coming and going can be a bit confusing perhaps a little more so than any other airports I have been to, but it is manageable. I opted for the airport pick up and drop off from the hotel. Cost is 2700 pesos or around $60. There is a bus service that I read about which is much cheaper but being my first time I thought it best to use the hotel pick up, I am glad that I did. Being my first time and going alone taking the bus may have immersed me into Philippine culture before I was ready.

Angeles City:

The place has the same third world feel and look as Sosua, Puerto Plata, and gringo gulch in San Jose or the Zone in Tijuana, only it's slightly more rugged and third world than these other places, but manageable. The monger area is quite compact consisting of basically one street Perimeter which turns into fields which becomes walking street with both Raymond and Santos street jutting off from Fields. http://www.acmap.com/main.asp The place from Perimeter to Fields and walking street can be walked and I did it several times. The bars on Perimeter are open in the early afternoon and generally close in the early evening. The bars along fields open in the later evening and stay open until the wee hours of the night. There are hawksters along fields and walking street just like in front of the Del Ray in CR or in the zone in Tijuana. The hawksters were offering to sell everything from watches, belts, boot lag movies, Viagra, knives and even stun guns. The streets were always chock full of trikes, cars, people walking and the traffic was probably the most dangerous I have experienced thus far, but again manageable. I mostly walked so didn't use many trikes and never had the occasion to try the jeepnys. For a trike ride around fields its about 50 pesos to go from fields to perimeter about 100 pesos. I never made it to SM mall and only went to Jollybees one time so can't give much information on them. I felt relatively safe and was never in fear of any possible crime, but at night I never left fields walking street or Raymond and Santos.

Hotel:

On the advice of Funman13 I decide to stay at the Loretta_Apartelle http://www.balibago.org/balibago_hotels/Loriettas_Apartelle.php This turned out to be a good recommendation and I was pleased with the place. 1300 pesos a night good wife, air-conditioning and in a great location just a few paces off of Fields avenue on Teodero. I was never hassled about the women I brought back to the hotel, there was no I'd check and I could bring in as many women as I wanted, did several doubles and even did a triple once and not a word was said when I would walk up with two or even three women at a time.

Money:

Everything works in Pesos you will have to exchange your dollars, surprisingly I got a good exchange rate at the arrivals section in the airport. Once you pick up your luggage and pass through immigration there will be money changers before you exit and they gave me a very good exchange rate. Across the street from the Loretta Apartelle hotel in Angeles is Norma's money exchange were I also got a very good exchange rate.

Picking up off the Street:

I know this is considered a big sin on many of the boards but I picked up off the street several times. There are women walking all along fields and walking street and Raymond and Santos mainly at night but also during the day. If I saw someone I thought was attractive I would approach her. Generally I would try to make eye contact as I passed or walked next to them or simply say Hi as I passed. Only about one in four would respond, either they weren't into me or my kamikaze approach was all wrong or they were bar girls coming or going to work (bar girls are fined if they are caught going with customers outside of work) or they simply weren't P4P girls and didn't want to be seen being picked up off of the street. I got very lucky picking up off the street and on my first day I met an off duty bar girl named Lyka from Q bar she's 19 very short maybe 4 ft and extremely cute. I asked her if she had any friends who were pretty like her and good at sex like her. She started calling me four or five times a day with off duty bar girls, did many doubles and even did one triple. I Paid 700 pesos short time for all girls that I picked up off the street, less than $20, on more than one occasion the girl and I would fall asleep after the sex in each other's arms and then wake up later and have sex again. I always thought they would charge me for the second time but was never asked to pay any extra for the second round. There are ladyboys along fields just before you enter walking street. I could always identify them and never had any unpleasant surprises back at the room. There are also some questionably young looking girls along fields and walking street. Anyone that looked too young or nubile I simply avoided.

Raymond Street:

There are about four short time bars right next to each other at the end of the street. I thought many of the women were very cute all seemed to be between 18 and 21, price was 700 pesos for short time, about two hours. These places are open 24 hours. I personally was very pleased with the women I saw there and they all gave me very good service. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9t2cKYzoPU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjcOXHluhYQ I Went there at all hours of the day and night, late at night I would find them sleeping on the chairs and couches inside, the momsan would wake them up and I could pick whichever one I wanted to come back to my room for good sex.

Santos Street:

I personally found the short time girls on Raymond street to be generally better looking than the girls on Santos street so I never tried any of the Santos street girls, but always seen one or two cuties that were definitely doable. You will also find Cuba Cuba bar and casino on this street. They have some extremely attractive waitresses and gust relation girls that are available after their shift ends. Met up with Travelman while I was in Angeles and he pulled a very hot waitress for a long time session (all night) from Cuba Cuba.

Bars:

The bars where you can bar fine girls range from Perimeter all the way up to fields avenue and walking street and the prices vary http://www.asianescapades.com/free/interactivemap/prices.php This is probably very subjective as it's just my opinion and very fluid as the lineup probably changes fairly often. But personally I thought the hottest girls where in the Blue Nile but I could also find a few hot girls in just about every bar that I looked at. The girls dancing, the waitresses and the door girls are all available for bar fining and I bar fined several door girls as well as dancers. On the boards and the web sites its often called early work release, but when I used that term in the bars no one seemed to know what I was talking about, when I used the term bar fine they all knew what I was talking about. Had some great long time sessions with many of these girls and many of them treat you like you are the love of their life, a constant response I would get when I asked them what they wanted to do was 'up to you, you the boss' They cuddle up to you at night walk next to you holding your hand and will lay in bed and rest there head on your shoulder while the two of you watch TV or surf the net. It would be very easy to lose your heart to one of these girls. I only had two runners of my choice. Once after being with a girl few hours I decided I wanted to sample other women and was tired of doubles so I let her go after a couple sessions, another 18 year old bar girl I made the mistake of not fully interviewing. After a couple of session I asked her for a BJ and she said that she didn't do that, was probably my fault because I didn't ask before I bar fined her, so I just let her go early and went and got someone else. In most cases I would do a pretty god job of interviewing first, buy the girl one lady drink see how naughty she was while we talked see if she gave the right answers to my questions and then decide if I wanted to bar fine her, many were upfront and honest about having to leave after only a few hours and depending upon how hot she was and how bad I wanted her I would decide then if I should bar fine her or not. There are two regular discos besides the show bars. High Society which is right next to the Blue Nile and sky tracks. Sky tracks seems like more of a Korean bar and seemed to have many young Koreans dancing in the club. I went there with a girl I bar fined so I'm not sure if the girls in the place are available for P4P or just the local Korean night club crowd, I would imagine it is a mix of both. High Society has many working girls there and I picked up a super hottie 18 year old on my last night, who turned out to be one of my best sessions. The problem with High Society is often it's hard to tell which girls are available and which ones have already been bar fined and are there with their date for the night, going up and propositioning one who has already been bar fined for the night might cause and uncomfortable situation.

Final Thoughts:

Angels City was much better than any place I have been to in Latin America or the Caribbean. I am writing this report right now from Sosua which prior to going to AC was my favorite place, now I think Sosua is just a distant second to Angeles City. If AC is an example of Asian mongering then Asian mongering is far superior to Latin American or Caribbean mongering. I thought the girls in AC were hot with many super hotties the quantity of working girls is greater than Sosua, BB, SJ, and Tijuana, the quality of GFE is 1000 times better than anything I experienced in any other place I have been to.

On another note, just about anywhere I have mongered 75 to 90% or higher of the working girls are single moms and 99% of them had their kids from the local guys. The percent of working girls with kids is the same in AC but what was surprising is the number of working girls who had kids by mongers. I would say 40 to 50% of the working girls in AC had their first kid from a monger, either European, Australian or American and these mongers aren't supporting their kids just left them, (I don't know how you sleep at night) I was also surprised when I asked the age of the mongers who got them pregnant, many said were in the 50s and 60s.

This probably goes to the above paragraph but I took an unopened box of 40 condoms with me to AC, I came home with an unopened box of 40 condoms.

Chris

Red Kilt
01-19-13, 05:29
Picking up off the Street:

. I got very lucky picking up off the street and on my first day I met an off duty bar girl named Lyka from Q bar she's 19 very short maybe 4 ft and extremely cute. I asked her if she had any friends who were pretty like her and good at sex like her. She started calling me four or five times a day with off duty bar girls, did many doubles and even did one triple.Nice report Chris Long but why ever did you give the off-duty bar girl's name and where she worked on the open board?

You have now dropped her right in it, especially when you made it worse by stating how she pimped other bgs for you.

You must know that the bar owners read these boards to understand what is going on in their neck of the woods.

I am not criticising you doing the off-street thing, but it is better if you conceal the names to protect the girl, and save it for anyone who PMs you.

Member #4698
01-19-13, 05:32
Nice report Chris Long but why ever did you give the off-duty bar girl's name and where she worked on the open board?Yeah, maybe Chris can still delete her name and not cause her any unintentional harm. Otherwise this is a R.O.D. worthy post for newbies and guys like myself who may be suffering from AC separation syndrome. Every paragraph from "Picking up off the Street" to "Final Thoughts" was golden.

PinkPearl
01-19-13, 06:34
Yeah, maybe Chris can still delete her name and not cause her any unintentional harm. Otherwise this is a R.O.D. worthy post for newbies and guys like myself who may be suffering from AC separation syndrome. Every paragraph from "Picking up off the Street" to "Final Thoughts" was golden.Red Kilt would need to delete the same info, since he repeated it by quoting the same!

Mr Enternational
01-19-13, 06:53
Final Thoughts:

Angels City was much better than any place I have been to in Latin America or the Caribbean. I am writing this report right now from Sosua which prior to going to AC was my favorite place, now I think Sosua is just a distant second to Angeles City. If AC is an example of Asian mongering then Asian mongering is far superior to Latin American or Caribbean mongering. I thought the girls in AC were hot with many super hotties the quantity of working girls is greater than Sosua, BB, SJ, and Tijuana, the quality of GFE is 1000 times better than anything I experienced in any other place I have been to.Excellent report Chris. But I want to get you over to Pattaya, then let you recalculate your ratings after that. You know most of thost guys just go to Sosua because they are comfortable with it and it is a short flight from the States. But that place is pre-school when you compare it to the big leagues of AC and Patts. I have a buddy who lives in Sosua that I have been trying to get over to Asia for about 3 years now. But now he is talking of moving to Costa Rica next month and he has never even been there.


I took an unopened box of 40 condoms with me to AC, I came home with an unopened box of 40 condoms.LOL

Hutsori
01-19-13, 09:12
Why do they say Koreans are bad? That's strange since the following report found PI girls had the opposite attitude about Koreans.There are not bad Koreans too. The girls say they don't scream as loud or punch as hard.

A DIA hook up come over last night. Works as a card dealer for an online casino. Manager is a Korean and so too are all the gamblers. The manager regularly shouts at and hits the girls. Gamblers berate them. Why does she put up with it? The salary is okay but she earns quite a bit in tips. She needs the job, has completed just 2 years of uni, and she's 2" too short to work in a brinks-and-mortar casino.


What would it take to get a Korean loving hot PI bar girl to go out with a non Korean such as a European or North American?Poison the well. Ask whether she knows Korean well enough to shriek: "Please stop beating me! I'm human too!"


In Thailand the word is the TGs love Korean & Japanese customers because they are small, quick, pay more & better mannered.The Japanese have the reputation for politeness. Hell, even the Koreans, who loathe the Japanese, acknowledge it, but call 'them "two-faced". When "kind" and "polite" are used to modify "Korean" it means "easy to chisel".

Threadbare
01-19-13, 23:36
This looks like the way to go. Return flight to BKK then low cost carrier to Clark.

Just one more question, do you know what low cost carriers do the BKK to Clark route?Looks like you got all the right flight info to get to AC. I have done the London. BKK. Clark route and booked it again later this month. Couple of tips, www.skyscanner.net Is good for checking all possibilities and routes, but often you have to check route segments separately yourself. If you check on line arrivals and departures for Clark you can see who flies where. There aren't many flights! Tiger airways / Seair from BKK flight arrives at 01. 35, arrange hotel to collect you and you can be hunting within an hour. Fields keeps busy till about 4 so you won't have to sleep alone!

Amjeck
01-20-13, 02:29
Where are these Thai women you speak of? I have never met a one. Pro or non-pro.They're everywhere. Change your hunting grounds and you'll find them.

Mr Enternational
01-20-13, 02:35
They're everywhere. Change your hunting grounds and you'll find them.No thanks. Not that I don't use them, but I would rather not hunt for women who INSIST on condoms. I have never met a Thai woman who has insisted and I have no idea of the "scare" that Sammon referenced.

Xuane
01-21-13, 19:02
Chris Long in Angeles City Philippines.

On another note, just about anywhere I have mongered 75 to 90% or higher of the working girls are single moms and 99% of them had their kids from the local guys. The percent of working girls with kids is the same in AC but what was surprising is the number of working girls who had kids by mongers. I would say 40 to 50% of the working girls in AC had their first kid from a monger, either European, Australian or American and these mongers aren't supporting their kids just left them, (I don't know how you sleep at night) I was also surprised when I asked the age of the mongers who got them pregnant, many said were in the 50s and 60s.

This probably goes to the above paragraph but I took an unopened box of 40 condoms with me to AC, I came home with an unopened box of 40 condoms.

ChrisThis was an excellent report, Chris, thanks. Help me out though, maybe I'm being dense but. I'm not sure what you mean by this last sentence? Are you saying you bare-backed every girl there? So you could have got some girl (s) pregnant (just like you are saying about some mongers in the previous paragraph?) Is that what you are saying?

This isn't about passing judgement, just trying to understand your meaning, I'm confused.

Mianbao
01-23-13, 02:40
Had a one night stopover in Angeles in middle of this month and a few hours on the way home. Flew in and out of Clark.

Air Asia – for the best scenery book an aisle seat.

Clark airport into town late at night – On the right hand side after you have come out of the airport building look for a jeepney. P50 per person is still very inflated compared with a normal jeepney price but beats P300 per person with the absurd taxi mafia.

To Clark airport – was very easy to get the #1 jeepney from the jeepney terminal near SM Mall to just outside the airport. Contrary to reports the walk across the carpark to the terminal building is 2-3 minutes, not far at all.

Gogo bars late at night – Plenty of quantity but no quality. Lots of bored looking mums, next to no young cute ones. I like to be made to feel welcome, however in only bar were the girls proactive.

Daytime – a few young hotties walking through the lobby at Orchid Inn. Suspect pickings at Gogo bars would be better than I found if going earlier in the evening.

Blow job bars on Santos St – some cute girls, only tried one and she gave good service. Lots of mouthwash and disinfectant so they have been briefed on hygiene. I made a point about them changing the sheets, she said she was going to but I doubt she did.

Southern Cross bus – If you are lucky you will get a row to yourself, however if unlucky you might have to share with a BFC who needs his seat and half of yours. To ensure a comfortable ride bring a girl with you and board first.

X Man
01-23-13, 13:46
Thanks for the report Mianbo. I managed to ride only one trike on my last trip in AC and your post might help me reduce transportation costs further.

There are a few construction sites around town. During the lunch break, the site became quiet. I took a look and noticed that the entire site had been abandoned with the exception of a well dressed couple. It looked odd, especially the mini dress-clad young lady navigating a construction site. Does anyone know who they are? Maybe the owners? They were taking pictures of concrete, wtf? They were in a very public area at a very high value site, so I'm assuming they don't need the same privacy protection as some punter staggering out of the Black Pearl.

Naked Gunz
01-23-13, 18:08
Chris Long in Angeles City Philippines.

Final Thoughts:

Angels City was much better than any place I have been to in Latin America or the Caribbean. I am writing this report right now from Sosua which prior to going to AC was my favorite place, now I think Sosua is just a distant second to Angeles City. If AC is an example of Asian mongering then Asian mongering is far superior to Latin American or Caribbean mongering. I thought the girls in AC were hot with many super hotties the quantity of working girls is greater than Sosua, BB, SJ, and Tijuana, the quality of GFE is 1000 times better than anything I experienced in any other place I have been to.

ChrisWow, you really had a good time. Bold statements. But yeah, I found Sosua and it's one strip way overated and the girls hardcore, well-worn (kinda ghetto).

I got better service from a Haitian. Even the burger joint workers at the airport acted like assholes when making my 30 minute burger and fries meal!

Pinays are very, very sweet naturally. I just prefer the bigger curves on Latinas, but will take good service over curves.

Pete Benetar
01-23-13, 19:58
I got better service from a Haitian.Haitians are lovely IMO though Port au Prince spoiled by NGO infestations, proximity to US etc as well as most girls there do not speak English. Made a few post-quake trips to stay at the Bear lodge in PAP and had a great time, but my fav Haitian was a physician green card holder working on getting her MD here in the US; captured my heart on first date on 69, went from conventional to full out tongue penetration on Mr. Bum Hole. Smart, fluent in English and very freaky.

For the DR never bothered with the north side or the capital, but visited Boca Chica a few times on the south side and had a great time there. My best visit there was with a young spanish speaking only dark latino. I would give both communication and service points to the PI over anywhere caribbean.

Dark Continent edges PI for me as I put a premium on the curves as you can find very amicable, very service oriented english speakers in west Africa and from what I understand even more in east Africa (not yet been to Kenya, Uganda etc). PI trumps all wrt service IMVHO.

Pics are of my Haitian girl here in US

Fast Eddie 48
01-23-13, 23:23
Had a one night stopover in Angeles in middle of this month and a few hours on the way home. Flew in and out of Clark.

Air Asia – for the best scenery book an aisle seat.

Clark airport into town late at night – On the right hand side after you have come out of the airport building look for a jeepney. P50 per person is still very inflated compared with a normal jeepney price but beats P300 per person with the absurd taxi mafia.

To Clark airport – was very easy to get the #1 jeepney from the jeepney terminal near SM Mall to just outside the airport. Contrary to reports the walk across the carpark to the terminal building is 2-3 minutes, not far at all.

Gogo bars late at night – Plenty of quantity but no quality. Lots of bored looking mums, next to no young cute ones. I like to be made to feel welcome, however in only bar were the girls proactive.

Daytime – a few young hotties walking through the lobby at Orchid Inn. Suspect pickings at Gogo bars would be better than I found if going earlier in the evening.

Blow job bars on Santos St – some cute girls, only tried one and she gave good service. Lots of mouthwash and disinfectant so they have been briefed on hygiene. I made a point about them changing the sheets, she said she was going to but I doubt she did.

Southern Cross bus – If you are lucky you will get a row to yourself, however if unlucky you might have to share with a BFC who needs his seat and half of yours. To ensure a comfortable ride bring a girl with you and board first.To Mianbao.

There are Jeepney that go the airport Terminal they have to paid a fee to enter the airport, they charge min 200 php if there only one passenger if 4 people each pay 50 php you can take this at the check point near the stair to the SM mall bridge.

Fast Eddie 48

Night Spotting
01-24-13, 10:49
I'm coming for a couple week visit in Feb. From Korea, where I work. Wanted to ask about the phone situation if anyone knows.

I usually put minutes on a cheap Nokia phone I bought 3 years ago for SMS messaging while in the Phils, but I also want to be able to check my email and message people back in Korea (to make them jealous, hah!) on my smart phone.

I'm not worried about it losing it or having it stolen, it's a beat to shit 4 year old iphone. My Korean carrier offers unlimited data roaming internationally for about $8 USD / day, which is what I'm considering using. Are there better domestic options in the Phils?

What's the 3G coverage like on Fields and Perimeter? Can you hit a 3G network in the bars?

Thanks!

Pip Jaeger
01-24-13, 23:23
What's the 3G coverage like on Fields and Perimeter? Can you hit a 3G network in the bars?

Thanks!The 3G coverage is quite good along Fields, but why not use WiFi? Plenty of free WiFi service available and most hotels offer it as well. A word of caution, if you use a local carrier like Smart, they may not only charge you by the Megabyte, but also by time; about 7php deducted from your account every 30 minutes, so switch off cellular data when not in use.

Smart offers plenty of options if you want to go that route. Here's a link for what they currently offer:

http://www1.smart.com.ph/prepaid/offers/

PinkPearl
01-25-13, 21:49
I use condom in vaginal sex. The numbers aren't in your favor for not doing so. Reality. Also, I don't want to get them pregnant. Most girls in the Phils can't afford birth control pills, so it is a big risk. Of course, after you leave there is no direct consequence, but I personally don't like the idea of having a child in the Phils that I don't know about. Just my feeling.From reading hundreds of posts in this thread dated since the beginning of 2012, it appears that a lot of guys don't use condoms for sex with the girls in AC. The lack of condom use seems to be more often spoken of than in the Thailand forums.

As regards birth control (BC) , I think a lot of Thai girls in P4P use it. It is easily obtainable, cheap & not considered a sin to use in BKK.

Re BC in AC for those who engage in BBFS, I understand that coitus interruptus (not cumming inside the girl) is about as efficient as condoms as a means of BC.

Tmat 4636
01-26-13, 14:00
A friend of mine who has been going to AC and Thailand for the past 10 years has just been diagnosed HIV. He is not sure where he got it from but he doesn't do drugs. Interestingly he had gone to his doctor to have his cholesterol checked and at a whim decided to have a STD check. He came back positive and may be starting treatment soon.

He bare backed alot on his travels and thinks that's where he picked it up from. Either wise he looks as healthy and fit as ever.

Sammon
01-26-13, 16:53
I understand that coitus interruptus (not cumming inside the girl) is about as efficient as condoms as a means of BC.Not coming inside the vagina does not prevent pregnancy. Ejaculation sometimes takes place before big orgasmic flow. Out of millions of sperm just one needs to enter the egg.

This kind of birth control was concieved during the ages before condom or birth control pills were invented.

Having said this most AC girls are least bothered about getting pregnant or getting infected. They readily jump into BBBJ and BBFS. A while ago some of the bars used to give condoms to the barfined girl. Do not know if they still do it?

Bargirls are stuck in the inevitability of their line of work. Fucking guys for money every day tends to cloud up their brain. Unlike prostitutes in the developed world who have developed a sense of protecting themselves these girls tend to leave it to their fate. Because of church teaching and acceptance of their families pregnancy does seem to be a problem irrespective of financial burden they have. After dropping a baby with their parents they all come back to earn more money.

It is not in the interest of bar owners to kill the golden goose by insisting condom for sex by all punters.

Pip Jaeger
01-26-13, 23:53
Arrived back in AC and felt like a homecoming. I used Margarita Station's car service to get here from Makati and I can't say enough good about them. Emails were answered promptly and the few questions I had were addressed completely. The driver arrived early, knew his way around the city and managed to avoid or detour around most of the heavy traffic.

Got a text from my gf (a bi-sexual girl I met on my last trip who will be traveling with me) saying she would not be arriving until about 9pm and that, unfortunately, she still had her period. As it was early in the afternoon and being the horn dog that I am, I went out looking for some ST company. Naturally I didn't need to go far; I didn't care for the current offerings on Santos St and just as I turned around just past the Wild Orchid to head back up to Fields I seen a trio of ladies eating at a small Resto. They gave me huge smiles and one cute spinner really caught my eye. I no sooner smiled back and she was on her feet. Found out she's a spotlight dancer at one of the larger clubs. I joked about her being too high class for me and got hearty laugh out of her; she just said 'only sometimes spotlight girl, I really just simple girl'. We quickly agreed on 700php donation for her time. She grabbed her half eaten plate of food and finished it as we walked back to my hotel.

20 year old Shane (not her real name) was all of about 4'8' and perhaps 32-33kg. Got to the room and did the shower routine before doing the deed. BBBJ followed by a pounding in various positions; finished up shooting my load across her tramp stamp (tattoo on lower back). Although she was ok with me taking pics of her in the room with her clothes on, she refused to allow me to take any of her naked; said she didn't want to get into trouble with the bar – odd logic to me, but Pilipina logic doesn't always make sense, LOL. Asked if she liked sex with girls and was told no, so no repeats together with the gf.

Took a nap and went across to one of the small bars on Santos (staying at a hotel there) to await my gf's arrival. Told the girl that approached that I was waiting for my gf, but that she was welcome to sit for a while and I offered a ladies drink (120php). She was quite tall, about 5'5' – 5'6' and pretty. My intent to have her join me was not only for the company, but find out if she was bi or if any of the other girls are. Turned out she's not bi and is one of the few girls I've met that doesn't like her pussy eaten. But she introduced me to another cute girl there who is bi; so I'll bar fine her over the weekend.

The gf arrived about 8:45 and we went up to the room. After catching up a bit we took a nice shower together and went to bed. Got nice long and slow BBBJ, with a little beso negro thrown in and a CIM finish.

Not a bad first day here if I do say so myself, LOL.

PinkPearl
01-26-13, 23:53
not coming inside the vagina does not prevent pregnancy. ejaculation sometimes takes place before big orgasmic flow. out of millions of sperm just one needs to enter the egg.

this kind of birth control was concieved during the ages before condom or birth control pills were invented.likewise condoms do not prevent pregnancy. in fact as regards bc "some authors suggest that actual effectiveness of withdrawal could be similar to effectiveness of condoms".

". for couples that use coitus interruptus correctly at every act of intercourse, the failure rate is 4% per year. the condom has a perfect-use failure rate of 2%", so when so used there is little difference between the two methods of bc. moreover:

". it has been suggested that the pre-ejaculate ("cowper's fluid") emitted by the penis prior to ejaculation normally contains spermatozoa (sperm cells) , which would compromise the effectiveness of the method. [10][11] however, several small studies[12][13][14][15] have failed to find any viable sperm in the fluid. while no large conclusive studies have been done, it is now believed the primary cause of method (correct-use) failure is the pre-ejaculate fluid picking up sperm from a previous ejaculation. [16] for this reason, it is recommended that the male partner [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) between ejaculations, to clear the urethra of sperm, and wash any ejaculate from objects that might come near the woman's vulva", such as hands and penis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/coitus_interruptus

Pip Jaeger
01-26-13, 23:59
Got up early and took a walk around, not much happening at 6am, but still a few FL's and lady boys out and about. Went back to the room and the gf was up. Went and picked up some necessities for her and awaited gf #2's arrival from Manila. She's my gf's best friend and will also be staying with me in AC as well as when I go to Subic. For future reports I'll refer to my gf as JJ and gf2 as Lana.

Lana arrived a little after noon and after having lunch we hit the bed. JJ knew I needed pussy; she was fine with being the oral girl and photographer as she still had her period. Lana and I did take a little time to get JJ off with a toy before Lana and I got down to business. Lana's 20years old, about 5'4'/34-35kg with a great little ass, pierced tongue and an infectious smile. Started off with a double BBBJ and had Lana SOMF as JJ continued with the BJ. As soon as Lana came she moved down to Asian cowgirl and then to reverse cowgirl so JJ could eat her and lick me too. Lana soon came again and we changed around to a few other positions before I finished in doggie, shot my load on her ass and tramp stamp; JJ moved in to lick us both clean.

Spent the rest of the day just hanging out and letting the girls gossip – they haven't seen each other since just before Christmas. Learned that bar fines have gone up at some, if not at all, of the bars due the 'sin tax'. The Raymond St bars went up 100php, same with at least two on Santos St. ; the One Eyed Wench went up 300php to 1800php. If I have time I'll ask around about some of the other bars.

Pip Jaeger
01-27-13, 01:34
woke up and let lana take care of the morning wood as jj continued to sleep. after making the girls breakfast we went to the apu market and wandered around for few hours. the market is only open on fridays and is about a 10 minute trike ride from fields. it's a giant flea and produce market rep001tered among some alleys and side streets. worth a visit if you're looking for some inexpensive wares for your ladies; picked up some bathing suits, blouses and cosmetics for the girls at about half the price of the malls. there are also a lot of very cute girls wandering around and working there too; got numerous smiles and knowing nods, so i would imagine that's possible to do a bit of hunting there too if you are so inclined.

headed back to the room and awaited lyn's arrival; lyn is another friend of jj's, she's 22 about 4'11/41kg with d cups and no gag reflex. she arrived around 4pm and after a quick bite to eat we got down to business with the lyn and lana getting jj off with some toys while i played with lyn lovely tits. it didn't take long for jj to cum and then lyn moved on to treat me to her special talent – deep throating. i played with / ate lana's pussy and as soon she came she joined lyn giving me double bj. had lana ride me reverse cowgirl as lyn ate her; it wasn't long before lana came again. switched to lyn riding me reverse cowgirl and lana doing the licking. after lyn came i went to banging lana; we continued switching around while jj took photos and occasionally joined in to go down on one of the girls or take me in her mouth. i shot my load on lyn's lovely d cups; lana and jj dutifully licked them clean.

a few pics from the market:

Pip Jaeger
01-27-13, 01:35
lyn spent the night so i let her chop the morning wood by giving me a bbbj. just as i shot my load down her throat i noticed that lana had woken up and was not only watching us, but was playing with herself too. she shot me a pouty look so i moved down to eat her till she came. meanwhile lyn grabbed one of the toys and occupied herself. to our combined amusement jj slept through it all; she didn't wake up until the smell of fresh brewed coffee wafted into the bedroom.

went down to the pool around noon and had some lunch there. the fare at the wild orchid is quite good; i had a very good steak and the girls shared some local dishes with the ubiquitous giant portion of rice. went swimming for while and a friend of lyn's showed up with her customer. i chatted with him as the girls continued to play in the pool; it soon turned to them covertly grabbing each other. it wasn't long before jj came over and suggested we go back up to the room (the other girl did the same with her guy too, lol). had pretty much of a repeat of yesterday's action with the only difference of me shooting my load into my gf's mouth.

after the afternoon 'workout' i fell asleep and got up around 2am. about 3am i took a walk over to an all night store and to pick up a few things. on my way over i noticed that fields walking street area was pretty much dead, but sky trax was jamming. took a peek inside and it was wall to wall people. looked to be mostly a filipino crowd, but a couple girls beckoned to me to join them. i was tempted, but the bed back at the room was already full, lol.

Riddler
01-28-13, 00:13
Not coming inside the vagina does not prevent pregnancy. Ejaculation sometimes takes place before big orgasmic flow. Out of millions of sperm just one needs to enter the egg.Coitus Interruptus=Vatican Roulette.

Anal=Philippina Birth Control

PinkPearl
01-28-13, 23:06
Shit like that happens in Thailand and few other countries in SEA but NOT in phils especially not in AC. Its way to expensive for a bar girl to get that sort of drugs and run that kind of scheme in a place like AC where bars and hotels rely on the tourists. Even in Thailand it happens at high end places or known expats that have cash at their place. The thing you should watch out is the ICE. Smaller bars are not very pedantic and don't care if it falls on the floor or gets dirty. You can get sick very easy from it. Another thing is fresh salad. Its washed with tap water. OK in Manila, not so in AC if you have a sensitive stomach like me.According to the government of Canada security report on the Philippines:

"Both petty crime and violent crime, sometimes involving guns, are a serious concern, especially in urban areas. Avoid showing signs of affluence or carrying large sums of money, and keep valuables in safekeeping facilities. Criminal gangs are active in Manila, including the Makati central business district, and have drugged and robbed unsuspecting tourists. Never leave food or drinks unattended or in the care of strangers. Be wary of accepting snacks, beverages, gum or cigarettes from new acquaintances, as they may contain drugs that could put you at risk of sexual assault and robbery. Do not accept transportation from strangers. Bystanders have been hit by stray gunfire during armed robberies and subsequent pursuit of the perpetrators by authorities. Avoid disturbances. Violent incidents may increase around election periods.

http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/philippines

Wicked Roger
01-29-13, 14:43
According to the government of Canada security report on the Philippines:

"Both petty crime and violent crime, sometimes involving guns, are a serious concern, especially in urban areas. Avoid showing signs of affluence or carrying large sums of money, and keep valuables in safekeeping facilities. Criminal gangs are active in Manila, including the Makati central business district, and have drugged and robbed unsuspecting tourists. Never leave food or drinks unattended or in the care of strangers. Be wary of accepting snacks, beverages, gum or cigarettes from new acquaintances, as they may contain drugs that could put you at risk of sexual assault and robbery. Do not accept transportation from strangers. Bystanders have been hit by stray gunfire during armed robberies and subsequent pursuit of the perpetrators by authorities. Avoid disturbances. Violent incidents may increase around election periods.

http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/philippinesPP.

You have been advised not to come to PI due to the fact that some of us think you will spend all day covered in palstic wrap to avoid HIV etc from the bed sheet. Gents see SAfe Sex thread where PP has been asking all sorts of questions and not reading the replies LOL.

PP. All countries of the world are dangerous. If I read my government's view on where I live and work I would be nervous wreck, hide under the stairs and generally drive around in a tank.

I do none of these and have lived happily here (for many years).

So please take the advice from me and others. STAY AWAY! The Philippines is way too dangerous for woosies and pansies like you and go to Thailand where you say you can get decent HIV tests (quickly) and won't be shot at.

Rant off!

Tiger 888
01-29-13, 15:07
...So please take the advice from me and others. STAY AWAY! The Philippines is way too dangerous for woosies and pansies like you and go to Thailand where you say you can get decent HIV tests (quickly) and won't be shot at.

Rant off!Wicked, I seriously hope you don't run into bad luck some day with all the arrogance you show.

Dashing Don
01-29-13, 17:14
Have to go with WR on this one. I just left MNL after a joyful week of meeting young filippinas; walking the malls and eating in restaurants: all in Makati. Never even saw an altercation, never mind the mayhem portrayed by the Pink Pearl. BTW, that sounds like a name that a ladyboy would have. But I digress.

Now Screaming Beaver almost had his ass flattened by a tank outside the Peninsula a few years ago, but that was because of a coup and therefore was a different animal. Nothing like what Pink was talking about, but I'll leave it to the Beaver to tell that tale.

I'm in Bangkok now and it seems to be full of caucasians. Probably they're all looking for that safe mongering experience. In fact, I've seen more white guys in the last few days than I would see in a month back home in Miami. I'll take Manila anytime.

Don

Wicked Roger
01-29-13, 17:18
Wicked, I seriously hope you don't run into bad luck some day with all the arrogance you show.Toger

It is not arrogance it is FACT

You are another who told all of us to stay away so why are you on this thread. Do as your advice suggested to the mpnger mongers and stay away.

If people don't like the country is fine but to harp on and moan all the time (or ask inane questions all the time with no sharing of information and no FRs) then they deserve what the get. I am polite you try a F# reply at times LOL.

So follow you advice on the General thread and stay off PI as you don't want to come here so why read?

Screaming Beaver
01-29-13, 20:49
Now Screaming Beaver almost had his ass flattened by a tank outside the Peninsula a few years ago, but that was because of a coup and therefore was a different animal. Nothing like what Pink was talking about, but I'll leave it to the Beaver to tell that tale.

DonAh, good times. It seems like yesterday but actually goes back to 2007 while staying at the Peninsula Hotel. During my last day there I thought I would step out to Glorietta Mall and pick up a few things before my flight. Little did I know that Senator Trillanes was orchestrating a coup attempt at my hotel. By the time I left Glorietta the hotel was surrounded by flip soldiers and tanks under the direction of President Gloria Arroyo. I was unable to enter the hotel to retrieve my luggage, passport, money and credit cards. A few hours later all hell broke loose with a tank crashing through the front lobby with cannon fire and tear gas in the air.

At that point Marshall Law went into affect and everybody had to be off the streets by sundown. I'm standing on Makati and Ayala ave with nothing but a cell phone and a couple thousand pesos in my pocket. I then did what any respectable monger would do. I called the girl I was with the night before who I barfined from a bar on P. Burgos. She invited me over to stay at her apartment along with the other eight bar girls living there who had the night off due to Marshall Law preventing customers coming to the bars. Let's just say I'm a big fan of coup attempts now.

Welcome back DD. Looking forward to your field reports.

FruitNinja
01-29-13, 22:55
PP.

You have been advised not to come to PI due to the fact that some of us think you will spend all day covered in palstic wrap to avoid HIV etc from the bed sheet. Gents see SAfe Sex thread where PP has been asking all sorts of questions and not reading the replies LOL.

PP. All countries of the world are dangerous. If I read my government's view on where I live and work I would be nervous wreck, hide under the stairs and generally drive around in a tank.

I do none of these and have lived happily here (for many years).

So please take the advice from me and others. STAY AWAY! The Philippines is way too dangerous for woosies and pansies like you and go to Thailand where you say you can get decent HIV tests (quickly) and won't be shot at.

Rant off!There are those that are afraid of their own shadows. What's the saying "nothing ventured, nothing gained?" I'm not going to be driven by fears. I had a crazy experience last night in Siem Reap and have had a few others this trip. Makes for great stories and great laughs. And as far as robberies go. I'm not a hero, hero's get shot and mugged. My standard line in a situation like that would be "excuse me sir with the gun, you have forgotten my watch, it's a knock off of a 12K watch but hey, this is Asia. Meddelin Bob and I had dinner last night and were talking about the same thing. Sh*t he moved to Columbia when it was dangerous.

Party on Amigos!

FN

X Man
01-30-13, 04:13
Great story. My first trip to Phil. 1981, there was a midnight curfew in Olongapo city. The girls were always eager to get barfined as the midnight hour approaced.


Ah, good times. It seems like yesterday but actually goes back to 2007 while staying at the Peninsula Hotel. During my last day there I thought I would step out to Glorietta Mall and pick up a few things before my flight. Little did I know that Senator Trillanes was orchestrating a coup attempt at my hotel. By the time I left Glorietta the hotel was surrounded by flip soldiers and tanks under the direction of President Gloria Arroyo. I was unable to enter the hotel to retrieve my luggage, passport, money and credit cards. A few hours later all hell broke loose with a tank crashing through the front lobby with cannon fire and tear gas in the air.

At that point Marshall Law went into affect and everybody had to be off the streets by sundown. I'm standing on Makati and Ayala ave with nothing but a cell phone and a couple thousand pesos in my pocket. I then did what any respectable monger would do. I called the girl I was with the night before who I barfined from a bar on P. Burgos. She invited me over to stay at her apartment along with the other eight bar girls living there who had the night off due to Marshall Law preventing customers coming to the bars. Let's just say I'm a big fan of coup attempts now.

Welcome back DD. Looking forward to your field reports.

Sky Ryder
01-30-13, 06:12
there is no way to compete with "tanks and tear gas, spending the night with 8 bar girls. at their place" so i will just share a small story of my last visit to the land of "big boy" dreams that is ac.

i only had a couple of days, but made the most of them. i focused on perimeter bars this time and really enjoyed mirror mirror. i went on sunday afternoon after making a short stop at girls generation and after school. not a lot of girls, but the ones there were fun and i also liked one of the waitresses. a little older, but got a real good vibe from her. promised to return and went to carousel for the sunday,"who let the dogs out" party. i enjoy these because you can see girls from a lot of bars, and all the regular girls from the club are not on stage. sat a cutie from carousel and decided to bar fine her. she was a good bed buddy, but i sent her home after one pop because i was tired and wanted to sleep alone.

next afternoon, went to girls gen and saw a girl i had from the last visit. i knew what to expect and was glad to get a little afternoon delight. she has kids, so i let her go home by 6. back to mirror and the girl i was interested in was already encumbered, so took a chance on the waitress. she was surprised i kept me promsie to return and showed her appreciation in a number of ways. i was exhausted afterwards. i offered to let her go home, but she asked if she could stay. i said sure as long as she promised not to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me in my sleep. had to wake me first. slept well like comfortable lovers, and then had a racuous session in the morning! as i said, a little older, not what i would call a "hottie", but well worth the time. i will probably repeat at some point because she was so much fun to be around and enjoyed our time, as did i.

there is one itch i would like to scratch, that maybe someone could help me with. i don't normally go for the 5 star stunners just because they aren't always as good as their looks and i want a litltle effort put forth. however, on this trip i saw at least two girls that i really wanted to do just because they were so damn good looking. unfortunately they were already accompanied, so i didn't want to pry as to were they worked. i'm talking movie star, magazine pretty, but i wonder if anyone can recommend a place or two that would be the best bet to find a gal like this. i know it is very subjective and i am fairly familiar with most of the ac bars, but am open to suggestions. pm's are great if you prefer.

tia.

can't wait for the return visit!

sky

Irony Monger
01-30-13, 06:46
There is one itch I would like to scratch, that maybe someone could help me with. I don't normally go for the 5 star stunners just because they aren't always as good as their looks and I want a litltle effort put forth. However, on this trip I saw at least two girls that I really wanted to do just because they were so damn good looking. Unfortunately they were already accompanied, so I didn't want to pry as to were they worked. I'm talking movie star, magazine pretty, but I wonder if anyone can recommend a place or two that would be the best bet to find a gal like this. I know it is very subjective and I am fairly familiar with most of the AC bars, but am open to suggestions. PM's are great if you prefer.The trick is not where, but when. Get to the big bars on fields right when the evening shift starts. If you wait, the Koreans will snatch up all the stunners within the first hour.

X Man
01-30-13, 11:29
ON weekends, some of the Manila high rollers bring their girls to ac / subic / pg / etc. This is just one explanation.


SNIP I saw at least two girls that I really wanted to do just because they were so damn good looking. Unfortunately they were already accompanied, so I didn't want to pry as to were they worked. I'm talking movie star, magazine pretty, but I wonder if anyone can recommend a place or two that would be the best bet to find a gal like this. I know it is very subjective and I am fairly familiar with most of the AC bars, but am open to suggestions. PM's are great if you prefer.

TIA.

Can't wait for the return visit!

Sky

OsakaGin11
01-30-13, 11:48
According to the government of Canada security report on the Philippines:

"Both petty crime and violent crime, sometimes involving guns, are a serious concern, especially in urban areas. Avoid showing signs of affluence or carrying large sums of money, and keep valuables in safekeeping facilities. Criminal gangs are active in Manila, including the Makati central business district, and have drugged and robbed unsuspecting tourists. Never leave food or drinks unattended or in the care of strangers. Be wary of accepting snacks, beverages, gum or cigarettes from new acquaintances, as they may contain drugs that could put you at risk of sexual assault and robbery. Do not accept transportation from strangers. Bystanders have been hit by stray gunfire during armed robberies and subsequent pursuit of the perpetrators by authorities. Avoid disturbances. Violent incidents may increase around election periods.

http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/philippinesI have travelled to the Philippines over 50 times in 22 year period from 1991 and have travelled and mongered all over the country, and I can honestly I have never been robbed, pickpocketed, mugged, threatened, drugged or been offered drugs or seen anyone doing anyone doing any of these things. Of course I am not saying that things don't happen in the Philippines as they obviously do. But if you read and believe the above travel warning from the Canadian Gov, you would think that they are an every day occurrence to all the tourists who travel and frequent the country on a regular basis.

Bob Bowie
01-30-13, 18:56
Great story. My first trip to Phil. 1981, there was a midnight curfew in Olongapo city. The girls were always eager to get barfined as the midnight hour approaced.Good deal, you don't have to worry about runners.

PinkPearl
01-30-13, 20:10
PP.

You have been advised not to come to PI due to the fact that some of us think you will spend all day covered in palstic wrap to avoid HIV etc from the bed sheet. Gents see SAfe Sex thread where PP has been asking all sorts of questions and not reading the replies LOL.

PP. All countries of the world are dangerous. If I read my government's view on where I live and work I would be nervous wreck, hide under the stairs and generally drive around in a tank.

I do none of these and have lived happily here (for many years).

So please take the advice from me and others. STAY AWAY! The Philippines is way too dangerous for woosies and pansies like you and go to Thailand where you say you can get decent HIV tests (quickly) and won't be shot at.

Rant off!This post is full of ridiculous comments.

The fact is, if you ever RTF, many people make similar comments to mine.

It seems you can't distinguish between (1) evaluating a countries' dangers honestly and calmly & taking appropriate security measures and (2) being a "nervous wreck, hiding under the stairs".

If you can't handle others talking about the first item above, I suggest you refrain from reading such discussions let alone responding to them.

Ditto for Safe Sex issues with which you seem to have the same issue.

X Man
01-31-13, 01:18
The concept of runner didn't exist, even after the curfew was lifted. And come to think of it, I often went to the gal's place.


Good deal, you don't have to worry about runners.

Mr Enternational
01-31-13, 02:47
I don't want to open a can of worms, but it begs to question how many posters here have ever gotten beat up or robbed (not including unsuspected pick-pocketing or some bar fine stealing from your room) in AC or in all of PI. Those numbers would surely tell you if there is really something to be concerned about.

Pete Benetar
01-31-13, 07:25
I don't want to open a can of worms, but it begs to question how many posters here have ever gotten beat up or robbed (not including unsuspected pick-pocketing or some bar fine stealing from your room) in AC or in all of PI. Those numbers would surely tell you if there is really something to be concerned about.Only been in PI 5 times but have not had any problems at all. I spent a few trips in both Ermita area of Manila and AC both of which are not very classy areas and seen some areas that feel threatening especially after night fall and with limited illumination. I'm big on cardio and like to walk alot especially in and about Ermita and AC. I am confident the USA is in general a more dangerous place, even with lots of lights.

Sxxxx
01-31-13, 07:55
Good deal, you don't have to worry about runners.Yes Marcos was the friend of Mongers. Girls begging to stay the night, few mins before curfew kicked in. No mention of money by said girls, of course. Better than girl being arrested and who knows what, by Police. One of my friends met his wife to be, that way, in the alleyways of Ermita. They married, to his country, then she did a runner, when she discovered there was no curfew in his country, LOL.

Transporter
01-31-13, 09:16
there is no way to compete with "tanks and tear gas, spending the night with 8 bar girls. at their place" so i will just share a small story of my last visit to the land of "big boy" dreams that is ac.

i only had a couple of days, but made the most of them. i focused on perimeter bars this time and really enjoyed mirror mirror. i went on sunday afternoon after making a short stop at girls generation and after school. not a lot of girls, but the ones there were fun and i also liked one of the waitresses. a little older, but got a real good vibe from her. promised to return and went to carousel for the sunday,"who let the dogs out" party. i enjoy these because you can see girls from a lot of bars, and all the regular girls from the club are not on stage. sat a cutie from carousel and decided to bar fine her. she was a good bed buddy, but i sent her home after one pop because i was tired and wanted to sleep alone.

next afternoon, went to girls gen and saw a girl i had from the last visit. i knew what to expect and was glad to get a little afternoon delight. she has kids, so i let her go home by 6. back to mirror and the girl i was interested in was already encumbered, so took a chance on the waitress. she was surprised i kept me promsie to return and showed her appreciation in a number of ways. i was exhausted afterwards. i offered to let her go home, but she asked if she could stay. i said sure as long as she promised not to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me in my sleep. had to wake me first. slept well like comfortable lovers, and then had a racuous session in the morning! as i said, a little older, not what i would call a "hottie", but well worth the time. i will probably repeat at some point because she was so much fun to be around and enjoyed our time, as did i.

there is one itch i would like to scratch, that maybe someone could help me with. i don't normally go for the 5 star stunners just because they aren't always as good as their looks and i want a litltle effort put forth. however, on this trip i saw at least two girls that i really wanted to do just because they were so damn good looking. unfortunately they were already accompanied, so i didn't want to pry as to were they worked. i'm talking movie star, magazine pretty, but i wonder if anyone can recommend a place or two that would be the best bet to find a gal like this. i know it is very subjective and i am fairly familiar with most of the ac bars, but am open to suggestions. pm's are great if you prefer.

tia.

can't wait for the return visit!

skytry julianas.

they got some supper hot ones there

Hutsori
01-31-13, 10:39
I don't want to open a can of worms, but it begs to question how many posters here have ever gotten beat up or robbed (not including unsuspected pick-pocketing or some bar fine stealing from your room) in AC or in all of PI. Those numbers would surely tell you if there is really something to be concerned about.Never a hassle from the locals and I go to local bars. Just don't leave your things such as your phones on the table. Only problems I've seen first hand involve foreigners exclusively.

There was a yank who was gunned down in a Malate or Ermita convenience store robbery in September, but news reports stated he wasn't targeted for being foreign. Wrong place at the wrong time. Can happen anywhere.

Sxxxx
01-31-13, 10:55
Try Julianas.

They got some supper hot ones thereStrange, I have never heard of Julianas, where is it?

Currently, avoid Forbidden City, Tropix, and most Perimeter Road bars. No one bar has a mandate for hot girls, in my opinion.

Where is Julianas? If hot, how come I have never heard of it?

FruitNinja
01-31-13, 12:02
Only been in PI 5 times but have not had any problems at all. I spent a few trips in both Ermita area of Manila and AC both of which are not very classy areas and seen some areas that feel threatening especially after night fall and with limited illumination. I'm big on cardio and like to walk alot especially in and about Ermita and AC. I am confident the USA is in general a more dangerous place, even with lots of lights.1st world. It doesn't matter where you are you need to take precautions. London is dangerous so is Paris. People get killed. Foreigners get targeted everywhere but mostly for robbery. The robberies that go bad are the ones where the intended victim wants to be a hero. Don't be a hero in that situation. Hand over your money, wallet, watch and anything else they might want."excuse me, these are D&G underwear, you want them?"

Then there's also the expat that gets involved in sh*t he shouldn't be playing with. MDE Bob has a bunch of stories of big swinging dicks from the states coming to MDE and trying to be big shot. Does't work so well there. One guy recently was executed. He was an assh*le and involved in the dark side of life.

Maybe I'm missing something but I know a lot of guys that travel for mongering. Have met many many over the years. I got flim flammed in Prague. It was totally my fault, I was being stupid and in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If people want to go around being scared of their own shadow it's fine. It would be nice if they went to a safe forum and hid there.

OsakaGin11
01-31-13, 16:10
Try Julianas.

They got some supper hot ones thereWhere is Juliannas ... on the Fields Ave. strip? BTW are they are so super hot, you can eat them for "supper"? LOL

Irony Monger
01-31-13, 17:51
Where is Juliannas . on the Fields Ave. strip? BTW are they are so super hot, you can eat them for "supper"? LOLI believe it is in Cebu. Wrong thread.

Pete Benetar
01-31-13, 19:08
1st world. It doesn't matter where you are you need to take precautions.I agree with what you said but for myself in AC I use lighting as an arbitrary metric I guess and Perimeter as an example where I felt good on Perimeter at daytime but ventured more closely to Fields at night. Maybe this is all just Darwinianism. I bet the majority on this MB get that and most things common sense.

PinkPearl
01-31-13, 22:45
Thirdly the bar was plunged in to darkness because of a power-cut, prompting all of the girls to scream loudly. I gave Syra a kiss in the dark.In Thailand displays of public affection such as kissing are discouraged. Is this also the custom in the Philippines?

I seem to recall a number of reports from 2012 in this thread that speak of BGs getting quite physical with customers in the bar. While not a gogo hopper in LOS, I've read of the same type of thing occurring in BKK. On one or two occasions I've sucked face with a P4P TG in a FL joint.


Firstly, the pushy girl from the night before came over and without saying 'hello' asked if I would buy her a drink!Would a comeback of "let's DFK for 10 minutes first" often get a positively wet response in AC?

Assuming the girl was kissable & you were interested in making out with her.

Or would it be considered inappropriate behaviour, discouraged by management, for which one should first "get a room"?

If nothing else, it might stifle the persistent bar beggar.

"No speaky Engli. Parlez vous Francais?"

Transporter
02-01-13, 00:16
Strange, I have never heard of Julianas, where is it?

Currently, avoid Forbidden City, Tropix, and most Perimeter Road bars. No one bar has a mandate for hot girls, in my opinion.

Where is Julianas? If hot, how come I have never heard of it?Just across the river.

Actually there are quite a few bars on that strip.

It is about 5 minutes or less from Fields.

Might want to get a driver to take you as you might need his number to come and get you when you are done

Xdentx
02-01-13, 00:23
Has anyone stayed in the Bourbon Street Condos? They are adjacent to Wild Orchid and have pool privileges, room service, etc. Each one seems to be individually owned, decorated and priced from 2500 on up. I understand that housekeeping / maid service can be had for an extra fee. So a daily change of two or three towels. Bed sheets. Etc. What's that going to cost? Appears to be two management companies, but they have not been responsive to any questions. Thanks.

FruitNinja
02-01-13, 12:10
Yes Marcos was the friend of Mongers. Girls begging to stay the night, few mins before curfew kicked in. No mention of money by said girls, of course. Better than girl being arrested and who knows what, by Police. One of my friends met his wife to be, that way, in the alleyways of Ermita. They married, to his country, then she did a runner, when she discovered there was no curfew in his country, LOL.I think the funniest is when the old aged monger brings his 20 year old to the US and the first order of business is to send her to school where she finds that guys her age think she's hot and give her all kinds of attention. They fall in love with a guy heir age ad do the divorce thing. If I'm not mistaken you can't do a prenup with a import. Better to rent boys.

Jack4765
02-01-13, 15:15
Just across the river.

Actually there are quite a few bars on that strip.

It is about 5 minutes or less from Fields.

Might want to get a driver to take you as you might need his number to come and get you when you are doneJust curious. Is the BF reasonable?

Screaming Beaver
02-01-13, 15:58
If I'm not mistaken you can't do a prenup with a import.You are mistaken about not being able to get a prenup for imported beaver in most USA states however I would still not advise bringing one in, especially for old geezers.

Ezinho
02-01-13, 16:34
On one or two occasions I've sucked face with a P4P TG in a FL joint.Yes, but did you put a condom on your tongue before making out with the P4P girl? You know, safe sex?

Where is Juliannas ... on the Fields Ave. strip?
Julianas is on First Street, next to the Clark Star Hotel. It's kind of across the road from Fields Ave. At night time, you should take a trike there because that area can be dangerous. It's a fun place to take a girl, they have live music, dancing and there are girls there but there is no barfine, you have to negotiate to see them after their work is over. The girls there are usually very white skinned, and sometimes quite tall as well. The customers at Julianas are almost always Asians, mostly Japanese and Koreans, but some rich Pinoys go there too. The times I went here, I was the only non-Asian in the place, but I didn't mind. There is a 500 peso minimum for each person at your table. The food there was pretty good, my fucklet and I had the Lumpia and Sisig.

A Manila fucklet of mine and two Julianas girls; they're whiter than ghosts!

Irony Monger
02-01-13, 16:54
I believe it is in Cebu. Wrong thread.I stand corrected. Even found Juliana's on Google Maps. Thanks to those who corrected me.

http://goo.gl/maps/zL1PD

Mr Enternational
02-01-13, 17:23
You are mistaken about not being able to get a prenup for imported beaver in most USA states however I would still not advise bringing one in, especially for old geezers.Slow down now Tito. When you bring those girls in you have to be responsible for them for a certain amount of time. I am quite sure of that. And I don't think a prenup can get you out of that responsibility that the government makes you voluntarily bestow upon yourself. Therefore both of you guys may be correct. You may be able to get a prenup to cover some things, but there may be other things that you are not allowed to include.

Screaming Beaver
02-01-13, 17:47
Slow down now Tito. When you bring those girls in you have to be responsible for them for a certain amount of time. I am quite sure of that. And I don't think a prenup can get you out of that responsibility that the government makes you voluntarily bestow upon yourself. Therefore both of you guys may be correct. You may be able to get a prenup to cover some things, but there may be other things that you are not allowed to include.A well written prenup will protect your assets going into the marriage. Of course if you breed with the piglet you will be paying child support in addition to spousal support. Best solution is not to import the beaver at all.

Pete Benetar
02-01-13, 18:18
Slow down now Tito. When you bring those girls in you have to be responsible for them for a certain amount of time. I am quite sure of that. And I don't think a prenup can get you out of that responsibility that the government makes you voluntarily bestow upon yourself. Therefore both of you guys may be correct. You may be able to get a prenup to cover some things, but there may be other things that you are not allowed to include.I imported a 21 yo girl about 18 months ago and decided it was worth the gambit since I would have to spend most of my time in the USA raising my last home bound high school age son. My situation likely will not apply to most here, so I do not post this as a recommended COA for others, but just how it can be done. I was 50 when I brought her here, I'm still in decent shape, and able to give here some sexual gratification as well.

The key for me was identifying not just a curvaceous hard bodied beauty, but one who was fundamentally conservative at her core, a good personality match and very amenable to basic principles e. G. Submission, loyalty etc. I married her about 9 months ago in part to reduce costs for schooling but also to get her on her own path to citizenship.

You can pre nup an "import" and it will be valid as long as it's documented she is "legally informed" which means she should have her own attorney (which you can basically set up for her and provide a small retainer, as low as $100 USD for "her attorney" to read the pre-nup and sign off on). Both party attorneys and lovers will sign off and the document will be legit.

The conditions of support that you can be held liable for by the US Govt in the event you split and she goes on welfare or public support is not affected; you can still be held liable for any support she receives from the Govt if she is not a US citizen OR has not worked 8 or 10 quarters of full time employment. Either one of those conditions met: you are off the hook.

Couple more comments: These girls will get a lot of attention. If she is not solid in her moral foundation, you'll probably lose her. It also helps, LOL, if you take very good care of her. We live in very comfortable surrounds. I got her a license and a new car (ownership is still mine) and am very gradually increasing her equity holdings in an investment account I started for her. She's the type of girl more interested in sending money back home to help family than spending it on herself. The vehicle is great for her as she'd never drove before coming to the USA and she can drive herself to school, visit friends etc.

The Govt liability is a BIG concern; I do not think this girl is the type to want to be on the Govt dole, but we plan to apply for citizenship in about 2 years. It might be four years or so, as the customary wait time between conditional residency (green card) and citizenship is 5 years. I'm retired military and though I thought only active duty military dependents / spouses could get citizenship on fast track (3 years) , the mid level managment Dept Homeland Security bureaucrat interviewer approving her green card said retirees can apply as well for their dependents at 3 years.

The first year or several months is the key period. The F-1 (study) visa / I-20 is good for 12 months. During that time, you can pull out at any time and you are not liable for any support. The girl either gets funding from some other source to remain in school or is required to go home, per the DHS. If you feel great about her, then you might decide to do what I did. It's a gamble but this girl is great for me, did everything right and I decided to just marry her. On a cost basis, it's been a good investment. I usually tap her a couple times a day, ace'd her once last month and set my own personal best with her a few weeks after arrival with 8 shots in a 24 hour period. TMI? Yeah, probably, but what I'm getting at is the cost basis for having a very fine piece of live-in GFE that I don't have to provide exhorbitant live-in support payments, nor deal with all the starlet / princess persona crap.

My long term plan is to keep this girl hopefully forever. Her upbringing and cultural / religious mores condone polygamy and so does she. She understands this will be a wash-rinse-repeat processs in the future, with the caveat I will be happy to take care of her, forever, as long as the principles of our relationship remain intact. All a very big gamble so before you even consider something like this, consider whether or not it makes sense, IF you can find what you THINK is "the" right girl and, most importantly, do you feel lucky.

Edit: Offspring will indeed nullify conditions of the pre-nup. I'm shooting blanks these days but that is a valid point you need to consider.

Concarne
02-01-13, 19:16
I am very happy for people like Mr Benetar. Is nice when things work out.

But I am still at a loss why so many mongering types end up marrying or having steady gfs. Particularly when they come from a pro or semi-pro environment (not that Mr B's does).

And do not get me wrong. It has crossed my mind: once with this absolute honey from Madagascar and another with a Cambodian hottie.

A couple of stories to illustrate my reservations:

1- A monger I partied with in Colombia had a steady gf there whom he visited 5-6 times a year and spend lots of time with, naturally he also did a bit of playing on the side but only occasionally. He decided to make her his steady and contemplated something more long term. Long story short, some reservations started creeping after his next to last trip. Being late often, making hard to swallow excuses, etc. Me and some of my local pussy raised our eyebrows at some of the tales she told but my buddy gave her the benefit of the doubt after so much quality time together. I am not sure if she felt that she was about to be found out but in his last trip she drugged him and stole the laptop, camera and some cash. Gone.

2- A very tasty morsel with huge cans I found in Mombasa recently got married to some bloke from Denmark, I was amusing myself at looking at her wedding pics in FB. Anyways, I boned this chick the day I met her. Her sister wanted to order her to leave me two days after meeting her so that she could take me. Then huge cans wanted me to meet her family 5 days after meeting me. 7 days later was asking when were we going to marry etc. Not two months after I left Kenya I found out that she was engaged to her husband to be and now she is in Denmark married to this guy. Was she in love with me? Maybe with the idea of leaving Kenya yes. Is she in love with the danish dude? Perhaps. But I would not bet cash on it.

3- An investment guy from San Diego used to come over to our local coffee house and brag about this hottie brazilians he used to bag. Finally met one that rock his boat enough and brought her in to live in SD with him and married her. Had her family manage his properties in Brazil and all. Good times. 9 months or so later after getting married, he tells us how he is getting a divorce. Apparently she had met some other local guy while working, for fun, as a waitress.

Anyways, buyer beware. I think is great that it works for some. But it sure as heck does not work for many. Mr Benatar is correct in advising lots of research and looking for the right character and upbringing. Is quite iffy if you ask me and something I would only dabble with if I were to be there in site. And sure as hell would thinks twice or thrice before compromising my financial assets. Especially nowadays.

Concarne

ThatGuy865
02-01-13, 20:00
I think a lot depends on where you bring the girl when you get back to the states. If its a city which has a high population of filippino's as in Cali or NY. The chances of a good marriage is very low. As she will soon be advised by other pinays as to the ways and norms of any other AW.

Sure Mr PB is happy right now. It hasn't been yet 2 yrs. Wait til she has REALLY become familiar with America. She is only 21 or 22 yrs old. Write us again when you are 58 and she is 28. And has graduated from school. Knows her way around. Has been approached by countless younger SUCCESSFUL men. Who can offer the same, if not more. Plus what all WOMEN eventually want. A FAMILY. Which you say you CAN'T provide.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade but I'd say its almost inevitable. No matter what she says NOW. How many PEOPLE period take life seriously and the long term outlook in their early 20's. Sure she is cool with no family NOW, wait after a few years the reality of NO KIDS sets in. And she realizes she will be with a 70/80 yr old guy with no family. And she is still fertile and fine. And unless you can REALLY provide SOME SERIOUS millionaire type surroundings. If she is nice looking. She will find young guys who can provide the same. Once you hit your mid 60's and she is only in her 30's. Paaalleeessee. Really

And you are thinking she is going to put up with you screwing around. Wash-rinse-repeat. And now has been americanized. With a permanent green card. GOOD LUCK.

I have seen countless guys in their 40's and above bring home pinays from abroad. L. A and San Diego is full of them. Most Divorce about the 3 to 4 yr time frame once they have the lay of the land. The permanent Green card and the means / know how to get a job. And especially THOSE who did not have KIDS. Which at least give them added responsibility and an expense to consider when leaving. Without that. Its a no brainer.

But I wish the best for you. But I think you are in for a rude awakening one day.

Peace out

Pete Benetar
02-01-13, 20:18
buyer beware. I think is great that it works for some. But it sure as heck does not work for many. Mr Benatar is correct in advising lots of research and looking for the right character and upbringing. Is quite iffy if you ask me and something I would only dabble with if I were to be there in site. And sure as hell would thinks twice or thrice before compromising my financial assets. Especially nowadays.

ConcarneGreat illustrative examples Concarne. Buyer Beware a certitude; you bought it, you own it. A few caveats I would offer:

I would NEVER recommend a K1 visa or marriage for import. I used an F1 so I would have 12 months of probationary period, as I saw fit, where I could jettison and vacate the arrangement altogether. This requires resources (and a good measure of work too, for anyone who's arranged a visa from a 3rd world country).

ANY person is going to change, immersed into the developed world. The probationary period for me (F1) was pivotal for close scrutiny and ensuring the adaptation made was acceptable for my terms. She molds readily or she goes home. Keep her happy at the same time and if she continues to heel than the prognosis is cautiously optimistic.

Even now, only 18 months or so into the relationship, I'm not going to forecast success. I'm hoping for it of course, but I constantly re evaluate what keeps her content without spoiling her and more importantly what will keep me happy as well. I have limits every step of the way in the form of withheld rewards. This is something that most mongerers I think do not care to do as their agenda might be different or have resources for (again, an F1 study visa or some other temperizing measure was essential for my purposes and requires a fair amount of finances and planning). In the overwhelming majority, as you suggest, I think importing a "wife" is a setup for failure.

Best, pb

Socker
02-01-13, 21:13
Is there any current info on Angeles City in THE Angeles City Forum? WTF*$at$& (#$$! $atAm I missing something here? Is this forum the place where you talk about everything but Angeles City?

FruitNinja
02-02-13, 01:28
You are mistaken about not being able to get a prenup for imported beaver in most USA states however I would still not advise bringing one in, especially for old geezers.I was looking into this after my first trip to the FSU and the answer was njet for my state. Others may be different but my state treats then as disadvantaged and you're responsible for her. I've worked hard to be financially stable. Not interested in taking a chance on halving that because my dick thinks it's a good idea. If it weren't for that I woud consider it. On the other hand my ability to be faithful to one woman is at best suspect. And te old story "hell hat no fury like a woman scorned" I'm sure applies to our little pinay lovelies. '

FruitNinja
02-02-13, 02:19
I imported a 21 yo girl about 18 months ago and decided it was worth the gambit since I would have to spend most of my time in the USA raising my last home bound high school age son. My situation likely will not apply to most here, so I do not post this as a recommended COA for others, but just how it can be done. I was 50 when I brought her here, I'm still in decent shape, and able to give here some sexual gratification as well.

My long term plan is to keep this girl hopefully forever. Her upbringing and cultural / religious mores condone polygamy and so does she. She understands this will be a wash-rinse-repeat processs in the future, with the caveat I will be happy to take care of her, forever, as long as the principles of our relationship remain intact. All a very big gamble so before you even consider something like this, consider whether or not it makes sense, IF you can find what you THINK is "the" right girl and, most importantly, do you feel lucky.

Edit: Offspring will indeed nullify conditions of the pre-nup. I'm shooting blanks these days but that is a valid point you need to consider.I'm glad it's working out for you and I hope it continues to. Seems like you have the basis covered and a good game plan. I've been in the woman racket for many years and divorced for 9, I got to tell ya I've considered it a number of times. And I've dated (I use that word loosely) some stunner 20 somethings at home for long periods of time. With them it was a mix of what they thought was love. One progressed as far as a diamond. I've got a 21 year old Indian hottie right now that is open and understanding.

It's just that I have seen the May December import business go wrong too often. We all want that 19 year old that will never age. But she will. She will want to have kids, it's their nature. I'm 56 this year. A teenager at any age is scary, one at 70 is horrifying. The other problem I see is the cultural thing. What is there in common? And once she assimilates to our screwed up culture there are too many distractions. She will want to do the thing that people her age do. I got to tell ya, I'm way passed my clubbing days. And I'm a light weight when it comes to staying out late. The fact that I have a business to run with huge responsibility might have something to do with it. In Manila I was replying to a message from an online dati g service. Guy I was with says "why would you want to date 40-50 year old women when you regularly f*k 20 year olds?" I have never met a 20 year old with the breadth of knowledge and experience where she could hold a decent conversation through dinner. I live a very varied life, have interests and hobbies all over the place. What does she know about the renaissance, does she know Picasso, Ruebens, what about world history, her political beliefs are non existant, what do you talk about? That's at dinner. What about 24/7 365?

I can only be playful and silly for so long, I have an intelectual, serious side that needs to be sated. I just don't think a 20 year old import could do it. The last girl I had on the payroll was a early 20's Chinese HOTTIE. We saw each other for about 2 years. After a year and a half she got a great job offer in DC and she wanted to stay with me. Well I couldn't be responsible for that life changing decision knowing how I am. SO I let her go. She commuted over 6 months and towards the end of the relationship I was a torn man. I couldn't wait for her to get here but by Sunday morning I couldn't wait for her to leave. My cock is a pretty powerful force in shaping my life and making me make wrong decisions. .

Please don't think I'm down on you, I get it. If I thought I could pull it off I would in a heartbeat. I would probably work real hard at overcoming some of our differences. I think the trick would be to keep her engaged in all aspects. Educate her and keep her life interesting. Don't give her a lot of time to think about her situation, keep that thinking on other things. I really hope it works for you.

I will tell you one last story. I got a massage from a girl in AC. Real cutie and very pleasant. I usually don't like to talk during a massage but she was very interesting. She told a story about a friend that had gotten married to a guy from my home town. And as luck would have it she called during one of my massages. I talked to the guy and he was so happy to have landed this 19 year old, I think he was late 40s. He was a real nice guy and we ill probably meet on my return, unless he reads this. I ask a lot of questions, always have, probably would have been a good cop. Well at the end of the day the 19 year old is cold in the Midwest, she is going to school but is stuck in the house most of the time and is already bored. No friends, or people with similar interests. This is after 6 months. It's not going to get better.

Anyway, I'm rambling. I really wish you luck and if it does work out ask your girl if she's got a twin.

PinkPearl
02-02-13, 09:32
Fabulous posts Sir Lancelot.

For anyone reading the offerings from 2012 in this forum, you should find that it reads like a newbies guide to Angeles City.

I doubt you can find anything like it anywhere else.

The contributions to this thread have been most excellent. Nice work, guys.

Good karma for you. The PI girls will be the beneficiaries.


A young girl with braces on her teeth sat next to me and a waitress bullied me in to buying her a drink (150 pesos). She gulped it down quickly before excusing herself and rushing to sit with a man on the other side of the bar who was splashing his cash. She hadn't even told me her name. I wasn't impressed and told the waitress so. 'She finish drink sir' she said but I pointed out that when I buy a girl a drink, I expect them to sit with me for more than two minutes!With this kind of crap occurring, I can sympathize more with the Koreans who come in, look at the girls, and leave without buying anything.

I wonder if some punters might find a different approach more to their liking. Such as being seated in the bar & when prompted to buy a drink for themselves or anyone else, saying they aren't interested in that & are only there because they'd like to BF a lady.

The customer could additionally specify other criteria at this time, such as, for examples, they don't want a girl on her period or a virgin or for short time or long time, etc.

Could a game plan like this work?

This would be more economical than spending up to 300 Pesos for LDs as you peruse various venues each evening. I could see a guy easily wasting 10 or 20 LDs in one evening following that procedure, which would be from about 70 to 140 USD.

Comments?

Redman69
02-02-13, 17:23
As some of you will remeber I was going to do it two years ago. Well I will do it again.

So, this is in the Pete theme, Well I am 57, have a 20 year old and a 18 year old. Had vasectomy, And this knew K1 visa girl. Is 20 with high school degree. Has had comtract at SM, Nisson, and now SM again. Never had a hot shower. Now I met this one at 18 and tagged her friend. Met her with another GF and we all went to movie. Met her sister a clerk at sm also with pern. Contract. She has never done the date sites. But is not virgin gave it up at 16.

I have higher hope on K1, the last one got as far as her visa sitting at the embassy, she had money to make it to manila, st lukes, visa at bpi bank, she had 120, 000 in her pocket. Had bought mom a 175, 000 multi cab. So that was to take care of mom. She said she wanted to buy corrolla for 120, 000 and that way I would have a car when I was there. Well I sent the cancelation letter and stopped it. So it does work as planned. Rather than marry there and be stuck.

Then they have to get here. And 90 days to marry, in those 90 days you can learn a lot. Like signing pre nup. And other stuff. Doubt I will be able to do it 8 times in one day. But if lucky I will die trying. Haha.

I had read the K1 process was the government trying to give the test of time. And it did work that way for me. So I am happy with it. Now doing differnet things, yes I go to sleep at 10, Still need to work to pay for college on those two girls. The issue of the baby, well I know it is coming somewhere around 30. That is ten years from now. I will be 67 and will deal with it then. I will also set up trust for kids. But will make it if she stays till death she will get her fair share. Of course that would encourage her to see me dead. But if I die trying to get number 7 I can live with it.

I have to work, such is life. For 5 years. I do not want to wait till I have ED to travel and smell the roses. I hope it works. I hope I have a partner taking care of me. A lover who takes care of me. A cook who cooks for me and my diabeites, If I get that then I am happy. Do I think it will cost me. Oh sure it will, but them plane rides run me 1, 500. 00 two weeks cost me 2, 500. 00 and I got tired of mindless sex in Bankok last time there. Cost 4K two to three times a year. I think with new car payment, Cooking school, and some vocational program it will cost the same. And I do love her. But that has come and gone in my life starting in 6th grade so I am prepared.

Tally Wacker
02-02-13, 18:30
Hey Red are you hitting the bottle again man?


As some of you will remeber I was going to do it two years ago. Well I will do it again.

So, this is in the Pete theme, Well I am 57, have a 20 year old and a 18 year old. Had vasectomy, And this knew K1 visa girl. Is 20 with high school degree. Has had comtract at SM, Nisson, and now SM again. Never had a hot shower. Now I met this one at 18 and tagged her friend. Met her with another GF and we all went to movie. Met her sister a clerk at sm also with pern. Contract. She has never done the date sites. But is not virgin gave it up at 16.

Mr Enternational
02-02-13, 21:48
Hey Red are you hitting the bottle again man?Man, if you are going to boink your grand daughter then hit it and quit it. Why are you trying to wife them up? I'm 40 and I had enough of 20 year olds when I was in high school and college. When I'm 57 they will probably seems much less desirable to me. I totally agree with FN,


I have never met a 20 year old with the breadth of knowledge and experience where she could hold a decent conversation through dinner. I live a very varied life, have interests and hobbies all over the place. What does she know about the renaissance, does she know Picasso, Ruebens, what about world history, her political beliefs are non existant, what do you talk about? That's at dinner. What about 24/7 365?That giggling and goo-goo eyes back and forth shit gets old with me after about 5 minutes.

Redman69
02-03-13, 00:51
No Tally I just went to a meeting 7 hours ago. Yea I will suffer a fools fate. But, if I got to pay for it. Which is what we do. I would rather pay for a 20 year old no babies and tight than a experinced 55 year old that will want to run my kids out and bring her grandkids in. Trust me with in 10 questions the average 55 year old has made what she is looking for plan. And it ain't wild sex for 10 years. So when I look at option # 2, 55 year old Gringa, I go running to the fresh meat.

As far as wifing up, that just seems to be my patern. I am telling you I have been to SJ Costa rica, A / C and Bangkok, I get tired of locking my shit up. Checking in and out of hotels. And having to pay flat cash for it. To be honest I told this 20 year old FB friend that I was tired of mindless sex when I was in Thailand getting it. Got back and told her I would make her mine. Will be there in 2 weeks. Will meet mom and get blessing. And take it one day at a time. Sober and maybe even Mass once a month. I intend to take her to St. Nino Chapel in Cebu and might even ask God himself his thoughts on it all.

But to be honest I am a hard headed Paddy, and as with Our Lady of Knock don't never seem to hear much. Now some have told me that I got to shut up and listen I will addmitt. Wish me luck, No fool like a old fool. Hahaha

WestCoast1
02-04-13, 00:23
From a conversation in the Chat Room / Penpal thread, as it relates to AC:


Any idea why there appears (relatively speaking) to be so many DIA filipinas in Norway or Denmark? Cruise ship industry or simply au pair? The cold weather, the long winter nights or the reserved nordic temperament aggravate their loneliness? But travel within Europe is easy nowadays and advertising there maybe worthwhile if it turns out that the locals are not enterprising enough or not interested. Of course I could ask them. But there are a lot. If you live in Paris Oslo is lot easier and cheaper to get to than Manila.In the last year or so, two different AC girls (they know each other) , at different times up and disappeared. When the first one didn't respond back for a week or so, I sent the other one an offline msg asking where the first gal was."I hear she in europe," was the only reply. Five months later I get an email from the first gal saying she is in Norway, hired to pick mushrooms. Has anyone heard of this? The email said she can only get to the internet once a month, and that she wanted to go back to the filipines soon. It was a short email. I replied and did not hear back for several more months. In YM chat, the first gal was back in Cebu, and told a rather harsh tale of being transported with other pinay for work in Norway, only to be housed together well away from the nearest city, not allowed a cell phone, overworked, and herded monthly into town for supplies and internet use, all while being watched by the employer. She could not wait to get out of there. Norway?

Fast-forward some months. I'm in AC with girl #2. She had not heard back from girl #1. Out of the blue she said she might leave phils and go to do some work in Norway picking mushrooms. Wow. I told her of my conversation with girl #1. One month later I get an offline msg from #2 stating that she was leaving shortly to work in Norway. She's dropped off the grid for 7 months.

Has anyone else heard of this?

Member #4387
02-04-13, 01:01
From a conversation in the Chat Room / Penpal thread, as it relates to AC:

In the last year or so, two different AC girls (they know each other) , at different times up and disappeared. When the first one didn't respond back for a week or so, I sent the other one an offline msg asking where the first gal was."I hear she in europe," was the only reply. Five months later I get an email from the first gal saying she is in Norway, hired to pick mushrooms. Has anyone heard of this? The email said she can only get to the internet once a month, and that she wanted to go back to the filipines soon. It was a short email. I replied and did not hear back for several more months. In YM chat, the first gal was back in Cebu, and told a rather harsh tale of being transported with other pinay for work in Norway, only to be housed together well away from the nearest city, not allowed a cell phone, overworked, and herded monthly into town for supplies and internet use, all while being watched by the employer. She could not wait to get out of there. Norway?

Fast-forward some months. I'm in AC with girl #2. She had not heard back from girl #1. Out of the blue she said she might leave phils and go to do some work in Norway picking mushrooms. Wow. I told her of my conversation with girl #1. One month later I get an offline msg from #2 stating that she was leaving shortly to work in Norway. She's dropped off the grid for 7 months.

Has anyone else heard of this?I have red some articles about this in some norwegian papers and it is allready closely watched by the government. They get workpermit as season workers as no norwegian would pick mushrooms or strawberries anymore. I don't believe they are promised gold for taking jobs like this and I believe they get much more than they possible could earn in phils. They are watched simply so we make sure they are beeing transported back home when contract ends. But if some ingnorant prick take advantage of such people that was probably not the intention in the first place. But people and profit makes sth a bad combination. And to be fair places where mushrooms and strawberries grow are in rural areas and not close to Oslo. I believe they are informed they are not going on holiday sitting in starbucks or equal to Jollibee places or stay in datingsites all the time. But not beeing allowed to have a phone sounded a bit to much.

Pete Benetar
02-04-13, 01:16
Fast-forward some months. I'm in AC with girl #2. She had not heard back from girl #1. Out of the blue she said she might leave phils and go to do some work in Norway picking mushrooms.

Has anyone else heard of this?Export of truffles is a big enterprise in the Netherlands, but I think might also be for Norway given their habitat is not much different. Many European cuisine buffs have become increasingly distressed about cheap asian knockoff truffles being imported displacing homegrown hard to find domestic (EU) truffles. European white truffles can cost well over 1000 USD per pound.

Seems like the trend may be instead to import the Asians (PI) and let them hound about for the pricey shrooms.

Sxxxx
02-04-13, 01:39
Seems like the trend may be instead to import the Asians (PI) and let them hound about for the pricey shrooms.And maybe when they bend over to pick them, F3 will be there, LOL.

Red Kilt
02-04-13, 03:49
I think you are missing a key point here guys.

It is not the actual "mushroom picking" that is the focus; it is the fact that women (and men) are recruited from out of the grid (the POEA and licensed recruiters are not involved) and when they reach these countries (Norway, Cambodia, Vietnam are 3 that I know of that have delivered recent bad experiences) the "employer" takes the passport and they are forced to do work under very harsh conditions that was NOT in the spiel that was delivered by the crooked recruiters.

The emphasis is primarily on women exploited for sex work, but there are also many cases where men and women are also forced to do work that others will not. They target the marginalised members of various countries who are desperate for money (Phils, Bangladesh are 2 well-known options) and they work for peanuts.

And yes. They take away cell phones too.

It helps explain why the immigration guys are a bit more thorough in screening filipinos / filipinas who are leaving the country as "tourists" when blind Freddy can see that most do not have a brass razoo and are obviously going as fodder for these "sharks" to exploit.

WestCoast1
02-04-13, 06:11
it is not the actual "mushroom picking" that is the focus; it is the fact that women (and men) are recruited from out of the grid (the poea and licensed recruiters are not involved) and when they reach these countries (norway, cambodia, vietnam are 3 that i know of that have delivered recent bad experiences) the "employer" takes the passport and they are forced to do work under very harsh conditions that was not in the spiel that was delivered by the crooked recruiters.

the emphasis is primarily on women exploited for sex work, but there are also many cases where men and women are also forced to do work that others will not. they target the marginalised members of various countries who are desperate for money (phils, bangladesh are 2 well-known options) and they work for peanuts.

and yes. they take away cell phones too.yes, rk has a better description of what the girl told to me. based on what she told me, i'm surprised the second pinay wanted to have anything to do with it (i shared the details with her). a few of the items: told in advance the cell phone and passport would be confirep001ed upon arrival in norway. transported to dormitories that were not near any city or other facilities. picked up at 6am everyday by van for work, returned 9pm. 6 days, with 1/2 day on sunday. catholic church promised by the agency did not exist. no tv in the dorm (television promised by the agency). company rep lived in the dorm to watch the girls. girls not allowed to purchase or consume alcohol. transportation to the city once per month to purchase personal items from their own money. food provided out of tin cans. money deducted from their pay for food and rent (the agency promised that would not happen). internet service provided to the girls once a month on a sunday afternoon in the city; all correspondence had to be by email (no chat programs) , and emails had to be screened by the lady from the dorm. she came back to phils and exchanged her bringhome money and had 14000 pesos."i can make 14000 peso one month only in body shop." obviously bitter from the experience; this does not sound like what skogis described. norway!

X Man
02-04-13, 12:14
Great post Rk. Japan has similar programs which welcome short term slave labor, or maybe just giving someone a window of opportunity.

I met a nanny in Vancouver who complained that she was told that she would have a private bathroom. In the end she shared with the teenage son and any visitors he had (including the teenage Chinese gal who snuck in thru the back window). She didn't have such a bad deal at all.


I think you are missing a key point here guys.

It is not the actual "mushroom picking" that is the focus; it is the fact that women (and men) are recruited from out of the grid (the POEA and licensed recruiters are not involved) and when they reach these countries (Norway, Cambodia, Vietnam are 3 that I know of that have delivered recent bad experiences) the "employer" takes the passport and they are forced to do work under very harsh conditions that was NOT in the spiel that was delivered by the crooked recruiters.

The emphasis is primarily on women exploited for sex work, but there are also many cases where men and women are also forced to do work that others will not. They target the marginalised members of various countries who are desperate for money (Phils, Bangladesh are 2 well-known options) and they work for peanuts.

And yes. They take away cell phones too.

It helps explain why the immigration guys are a bit more thorough in screening filipinos / filipinas who are leaving the country as "tourists" when blind Freddy can see that most do not have a brass razoo and are obviously going as fodder for these "sharks" to exploit.

Member #4387
02-04-13, 12:18
yes, rk has a better description of what the girl told to me. based on what she told me, i'm surprised the second pinay wanted to have anything to do with it (i shared the details with her). a few of the items: told in advance the cell phone and passport would be confirep001ed upon arrival in norway. transported to dormitories that were not near any city or other facilities. picked up at 6am everyday by van for work, returned 9pm. 6 days, with 1/2 day on sunday. catholic church promised by the agency did not exist. no tv in the dorm (television promised by the agency). company rep lived in the dorm to watch the girls. girls not allowed to purchase or consume alcohol. transportation to the city once per month to purchase personal items from their own money. food provided out of tin cans. money deducted from their pay for food and rent (the agency promised that would not happen). internet service provided to the girls once a month on a sunday afternoon in the city; all correspondence had to be by email (no chat programs) , and emails had to be screened by the lady from the dorm. she came back to phils and exchanged her bringhome money and had 14000 pesos."i can make 14000 peso one month only in body shop." obviously bitter from the experience; this does not sound like what skogis described. norway!i don't know if you read my reply? i may not give away the detailed respond as you do simply as i only know about thisnthrough some vague articles in newspapers. i don't defend exploiting people but sometimes a story can have atleast 2 sides. and i am sure some profitgreedy employer would give minimum back to the girls so your storyteller could probably tell the truth. but from a government point of view these pinays only have workpermit for a limited ammount of time. for the government it is a high priority to ship this girls and even guys back home to phils when contract ends.

but trafficking hm? from what i read these pinays are informed upfront of the regime they will be working under. that they happens to have heard storys from fellow pinay friends norway beeing so nice and here you can easily get strong wellfare support? well that does not apply for seasonworkers. but i want everyone coming to norway to have a nice stay. work hard, earn your money and then go back home.

Wicked Roger
02-04-13, 15:51
yes, rk has a better description of what the girl told to me. based on what she told me, i'm surprised the second pinay wanted to have anything to do with it (i shared the details with her). a few of the items: told in advance the cell phone and passport would be confirep001ed upon arrival in norway. transported to dormitories that were not near any city or other facilities. picked up at 6am everyday by van for work, returned 9pm. 6 days, with 1/2 day on sunday. catholic church promised by the agency did not exist. no tv in the dorm (television promised by the agency). company rep lived in the dorm to watch the girls. girls not allowed to purchase or consume alcohol. transportation to the city once per month to purchase personal items from their own money. food provided out of tin cans. money deducted from their pay for food and rent (the agency promised that would not happen). internet service provided to the girls once a month on a sunday afternoon in the city; all correspondence had to be by email (no chat programs) , and emails had to be screened by the lady from the dorm. she came back to phils and exchanged her bringhome money and had 14000 pesos."i can make 14000 peso one month only in body shop." obviously bitter from the experience; this does not sound like what skogis described. norway!try the middle east where dhs are regularly fucked over by the agencies both in the philippines and in the host country (and by pinays who 'reassure' them and then sh*t on them after taking the passport which is now illegal (but they don't know that!). many find the salary in the contract is reduced, no mobiles, no off days etc. the philippine embassy is farily weak but does take in runaways but only if they find the embassy. as others have said this is what immigration is trying to stop along with everything else.

i have helped 2 dhs get away form their local employers in advising what to do and where to go (and then providing food for them in the shelter) and i got an abusive vcall from a pinay about it. was very amusing as she was the agents 'representative'. she soon shut up and disappeared after a few choice words but this happens a lot and seems despite safeguards being in place the agnets just ignore and find ways around it. passed the information to the embassy and never a word after that

Redman69
02-04-13, 18:19
I picked mushrums while in a drug program in the states. They grow in shit. And they do not wieght much. But it is dark and moist in a room full of shit. It is not hard work. Farmers the world over work from sunrise to sunset. I do not see Norway with all the oil wealth they have abussing foriegn workers. I do see many people who might want to cut and run when they find out there are not money trees growing behind the barns. Now there are plenty of other places in the world where I do see the possibility of abuse. WR mentioned an area. And I have a niece going there on the 18th as a RAD tech. She is happy to be going and making about 16K a year in suadi. Now she does sono grams of babies and other stuff like Kidneys. I hope she does mostly Women. 2 year contract. I know there is abuse everywhere. I did not get paid to pick them, But I got a bed and food and cloths and a chance at a new way of life. I learned how to pick them and that they grow in shit. I am glad I did it.

Mr Enternational
02-04-13, 19:15
Reminds me of when I was in college and I answered an ad in the paper for a management position. My best friend had already been but would not tell me what it was. So I drove to the interview which was like 45 minutes away. I got the job and was to start unpaid training but free lunch the next day. I had to show up at 8am well dressed. I had to leave my car at the office and get into the car with two other guys for the training. We drove an hour away and parked somewhere. We got out and they opened the trunk. For the rest of the day I had to walk around bum fuck in a suit trying to sell flowers to people. When I got home I cursed my best friend the fuck out. And he just kept laughing.

I'm over in Palau right now and these Pinay in the karaokes are going for $150. $8 lady drinks (mango juice) but they only get $200 LD pay if they get 100 drinks in 15 days. I think they are under 2 year contracts. Fuck that noise. I can't wait to get my ass to AC. 5 more days.

Member #4387
02-04-13, 20:20
Norway`s honor is at stake here so I dived more into it and in 2011 it was 126 men and women from the Philippines(seasonworkers). Most of the season workers come from Vietnam and Ukraine. They work in agriculturalrelated business or in hotel or restaurants. This due to Norway takes a 2 months break during summertime and enjoy the holiday. In 2011 it was only 2136 seasonworkers in Norway so such a big problem it is not and I can not see anyone is beeing abused like in Saudi, Emirates and or in Kambodia.

We have also around 80000 swedish people coming to Norway to work in hotel / restaurants / farms / factories as well. That is by far the biggest group.

To get permisson from the authorities to hire season workers an employer have to garantuee financialy for the people he is hiring. He or she also have to provide decent housing and healthy food. The people hiring also have to create bankaccounts for the seasonworkers so the government can control they get the agreed money. There are supposed to be regulated workinghours but many seasonworkers work a lot more as in extratime and they can earn 40000NOK (PHP 280000) without paying taxes. Every seasonworker have to personaly meet up at a governmental taxoffice to register and to get a tax freecard(40000NOK)..

In the strawberryfields or in a applefarm the more you pick the more you can earn. I guess they pay by the kilo or something. Avaragely seasonworkers earned 160NOK(1120PHP) in agricultur and 180NOK(1260PHP) in restaurants/hotel per hour. Better than back in the phils I believe?

Pete Benetar
02-04-13, 20:22
try the middle eastthis may be the most salient comment for this thread. i do not doubt there's exploitation going on in norway, just like even in the usa there are plenty of urban sweat shops and many agri workers get exploited here too. but significant majority of immigrant workers here, and i would wager in norway too, are treated reasonably well (they are, after all, third world immigrant workers). i would also bet many or most of the manipulators are peeps of their own nationality who are pimpeen them to do agri labor, or cleaning or sexing or fill in the blank.

i lived in saudi for close to a year. the class of pinays who have to labor in that part of the world i think generally, categorically get phucked in so many ways. a few well directed complaints, word of mouth etc i hope would mitigate or minimize the mushroom exploitation in norway. at least i would not generalize anything about norwegians, as i surely would with saudis.

Mc Don
02-05-13, 02:09
The more things change the more they stay the same. Not much to report, I haven't been to AC for few months now and not much has changed, I will be here few more days so I will post a proper FL after.

Last week for couple of nights I stayed at A7 Square which is a place opposite the Mc Donalds on McArthur Fwy. About 2000 peso a night, ok room but can be a bit noisy. Its close to a local college where my regular here goes now so it was fun bonking her on her breaks between classes. Seems like she has a break ever couple of hours I just wonder what they could actually learn this way.

That Lucky Hat on perimeter has a bar fine of 1200 peso which is one of the cheapest I have come across. Mostly MILFS although there are couple of good looking girls too. I joked around with few of them at the bar and I recon almost any of them could easily be talked into anal. Most seemed OK with it when I brought it up.

For those of you that are fans of Trike Patrol have a look at Camelot. There is a certain starlet there that has an amazing set of tits and bigger tattoo then featured on her video. 100K peso for the video, thats what has told her friends at the bar.

WestCoast1
02-05-13, 04:31
In the strawberryfields or in a applefarm the more you pick the more you can earn. I guess they pay by the kilo or something. Avaragely seasonworkers earned 160NOK(1120PHP) in agricultur and 180NOK(1260PHP) in restaurants/hotel per hour. Better than back in the phils I believe?Its also possible there is a large difference between what the agency in AC tells the girls and the reality of what occurs once in Norway. The agency is obviously getting a cut of the money earned in Norway (directly from the hiring company). As RK, WR, and I reported about abuses, if the girl is earning 1260php / hour (as Skogis reports. That's p15000 / day) , and are returning with as little as 14000php total, then almost all of their money is being ripped off by the hosting company. I'd imagine the Norwegians would shut the thing down if they found out about it, but when you have a money-maker running strong, its easy to pay off those who could stop it (ie, the hiring agency in phils and others).

Question for all: is there a legitimate reason for taking cell phones?

PinkPearl
02-05-13, 07:01
Most monger come to AC is on a budget for cheap laid if they have alot money they go to Bangkok or Macau for the hot model, I been coming here for over 12 yr now and I see more and more newbie are coming here now over spending and driving the price up every yr, the bar know this and will increase the barfine and the girl attuide is also getting worst also, I took a trip to subic bay for a few days and find the bar and girl are friendly and good attuide most barfined is 1500 p both girl stay until the morning and it is very relaxing place but the girl quality is not as good as AC.I wouldn't know about Macau, but suggest that Bangkok can be a better deal than AC for the value seeking "budget monger". At least IME.

In BKK you can probably get girls as hot as in AC for less money ST. Model streetwalkers, for example, are available for 30 USD.

In BKK for the same price you'ld spend in AC you can get a superior hotel room and service. More choice & vacancies also.

As a bonus BKK is better in many other ways than AC, such as medical, safety, banking, things to do, etc.

Though AC has a few advantages over BKK. Most notably LT rates for hot girls, assuming she doesn't run in AC, are cheaper and are much more the norm than in BKK.

I could be wrong, but this is just my opinion based on my experience in BKK. I've never been to AC but have read a lot about the scene there, including the hotels & seen many videos of bargirls on Fields Ave & Perimeter Road.

If I could, I'd spend all my hobbying time in BKK, though AC seems like an excellent alternate choice as far as hot bang for your buck is concerned. In both you are paying a fraction of the going rate for such quality in first world cities.

Chrisde99
02-05-13, 12:05
After 20 years of frequent visits to Bangkok / Pattaya / Phuket I am venturing for the first time to Angeles city. I would be grateful for some tips and answers to my specific questions.

1. On arrival at Manila airport is it possible to get a sim card there? For changing money are the rates competitive at the airport or is there a big difference?

2. For booking hotels is a credit card required? Can the final bill be settled in cash without using credit card. If so will it need to be settled on checkin in or checking out. (prefer not to use credit card and advertise my trip back home)

3. Is April a busy time?

4. Are the hotel cabs sent from Angeles hotels to Manila airport usually on time?

5. Is ABC hotel worth the cost, are there any similar hotels available in Angeles?

6. Do you get any massage places like in BKK or Pattaya?

Thanks in advance to the responders.

Fast Eddie 48
02-05-13, 20:31
I wouldn't know about Macau, but suggest that Bangkok can be a better deal than AC for the value seeking "budget monger". At least IME.

In BKK you can probably get girls as hot as in AC for less money ST. Model streetwalkers, for example, are available for 30 USD.

In BKK for the same price you'ld spend in AC you can get a superior hotel room and service. More choice & vacancies also.

As a bonus BKK is better in many other ways than AC, such as medical, safety, banking, things to do, etc.

Though AC has a few advantages over BKK. Most notably LT rates for hot girls, assuming she doesn't run in AC, are cheaper and are much more the norm than in BKK.

I could be wrong, but this is just my opinion based on my experience in BKK. I've never been to AC but have read a lot about the scene there, including the hotels & seen many videos of bargirls on Fields Ave & Perimeter Road.

If I could, I'd spend all my hobbying time in BKK, though AC seems like an excellent alternate choice as far as hot bang for your buck is concerned. In both you are paying a fraction of the going rate for such quality in first world cities.To Pink Pearl,

I still think AC is cheaper than BKK or even Pattaya I have USD and the dollar is weak in Thailand now still ok in PI, yes there is much more BKK or Pattaya have to offer but for mongering AC is still a better Value.

Fast Eddie 48

Harry Dude
02-05-13, 20:35
Regarding the question on why there are so many filipina DIA's in Norway:

Facts from official statistics:

About 1200 filipinas get approved as au-pairs in a typical year, and about 1000 will get a renewal for a second or year or more. Hence there are about 2200 filipina au-pairs in Norway at any given time. They constitute about 80% of the au-pairs in Norway. To be an au-pair the girls have to be between 18-30 years old so I suspect many of them are on DIA.

In addition, filipinos are the second largest group that get residency permits for family reasons (read: marriage) with about 600-700 per year, thais are the biggest group at around 1000 per year. Many of these of course divorce after a while and may perhaps be found on DIA.

Regarding the speculation that seasonal workers are the cause: I doubt it. In 2010, there were 179 seasonal workers from the Philippines in Norway, far less than one tenth of the number of au-pairs and most likely less than the number of divorced filipinas.


Any idea why there appears (relatively speaking) to be so many DIA filipinas in Norway or Denmark? Cruise ship industry or simply au pair? The cold weather, the long winter nights or the reserved nordic temperament aggravate their loneliness? But travel within Europe is easy nowadays and advertising there maybe worthwhile if it turns out that the locals are not enterprising enough or not interested. Of course I could ask them. But there are a lot. If you live in Paris Oslo is lot easier and cheaper to get to than Manila.
From a conversation in the Chat Room / Penpal thread, as it relates to AC:

In the last year or so, two different AC girls (they know each other) , at different times up and disappeared. When the first one didn't respond back for a week or so, I sent the other one an offline msg asking where the first gal was."I hear she in europe," was the only reply. Five months later I get an email from the first gal saying she is in Norway, hired to pick mushrooms. Has anyone heard of this? The email said she can only get to the internet once a month, and that she wanted to go back to the filipines soon. It was a short email. I replied and did not hear back for several more months. In YM chat, the first gal was back in Cebu, and told a rather harsh tale of being transported with other pinay for work in Norway, only to be housed together well away from the nearest city, not allowed a cell phone, overworked, and herded monthly into town for supplies and internet use, all while being watched by the employer. She could not wait to get out of there. Norway?

Fast-forward some months. I'm in AC with girl #2. She had not heard back from girl #1. Out of the blue she said she might leave phils and go to do some work in Norway picking mushrooms. Wow. I told her of my conversation with girl #1. One month later I get an offline msg from #2 stating that she was leaving shortly to work in Norway. She's dropped off the grid for 7 months.

Has anyone else heard of this?

Fast Eddie 48
02-05-13, 20:42
After 20 years of frequent visits to Bangkok / Pattaya / Phuket I am venturing for the first time to Angeles city. I would be grateful for some tips and answers to my specific questions.

1. On arrival at Manila airport is it possible to get a sim card there? For changing money are the rates competitive at the airport or is there a big difference?

2. For booking hotels is a credit card required? Can the final bill be settled in cash without using credit card. If so will it need to be settled on checkin in or checking out. (prefer not to use credit card and advertise my trip back home)

3. Is April a busy time?

4. Are the hotel cabs sent from Angeles hotels to Manila airport usually on time?

5. Is ABC hotel worth the cost, are there any similar hotels available in Angeles?

6. Do you get any massage places like in BKK or Pattaya?

Thanks in advance to the responders.To Chrisde 99,

For Manila hotel you need a Passport for check in if you don't have a credit card you need to paid in full and a deposit in cash upfront or you can just book hotel with agoda, yes you can get sim card at NAIA during the day gift shop have them, money changer you get better rate at Malate area you can just change small amount at the airport first, April is a good time slow season and not too hot and ABC is the best hotel in AC now if you can afford to stay there but I like the Pacific breeze at half the cost, the Massage place in AC sucks service is nothing like in BKK just go to the bar for actions, if you don't like AC you can alway fly back to BKK you can fly from Clark to BKK with seaair for 70 USD one way.

Fast Eddie 48

Amboy927
02-05-13, 21:05
After 20 years of frequent visits to Bangkok / Pattaya / Phuket I am venturing for the first time to Angeles city. I would be grateful for some tips and answers to my specific questions.

1. On arrival at Manila airport is it possible to get a sim card there? For changing money are the rates competitive at the airport or is there a big difference?

2. For booking hotels is a credit card required? Can the final bill be settled in cash without using credit card. If so will it need to be settled on checkin in or checking out. (prefer not to use credit card and advertise my trip back home)

3. Is April a busy time?

4. Are the hotel cabs sent from Angeles hotels to Manila airport usually on time?

5. Is ABC hotel worth the cost, are there any similar hotels available in Angeles?

6. Do you get any massage places like in BKK or Pattaya?

Thanks in advance to the responders.1. I have not been back to PI in a while, but I remember a few things, Yes you can get a sim card at the airport. Its usually a SMART salesperson. IMHO it is cheaper to get it away from the airport, either way the two big companies in the PI are SMART and GLOBE. Don't ask me which one is better, they seem to take turns having bad signals at the worst times. Last time I was there (Mar 2012) the airport was VERY competitive with money exchange, just remember the bank rate when you board, and see if it is close, if not, the money changers at AC are pretty good also.

2. Some hotels require a credit card, and I cannot think of a single hotel that will not take cash. I know PB will even give you a discount if you pay cash. And yes it can be settled before and after. At least the PB / ABC and Valentinos that I have stayed at.

3. April is hit or miss, depends on when holy week is, I have never been in AC during holy week, but it is a week off for the whole country, a ton of normal people are out and about vacationing, so a lot of the tourist hotspots are packed (boracay, subic, palawan etc.) a lot of people use it as a time to go home as well. As for the bar girls of AC, I don't know if they have the money to go home, but since holy week this year is the last week of March, you should be fine any time in April. Just expect it to be hotter than usual weather wise.

4. I have taken ABC / PB and Valentino's hotels car services. They like to show up early. I have done this 10x, and have never had a missed pickup. Just follow the instructions they give you.

5. It is up to you to decide after the fact, I enjoyed the ABC, and yes it was worth it for me, but tbh, I've had great experiences at PB and Valentino's as well. Your experience with the girls will determine it, and how often will you be camping out at your room? I loved the ABC when I fly solo, but if I am in town with friends, we don't really stay in our rooms that long, we stay in PB which is closer to the action. The ABC is a really nice hotel and I have not met a girl that has not enjoyed her time there and its an opener to the second line a lot of girls ask."where you stay" they will know you have money and like to stay at nice places. That said I have never had a runner when I stayed in ABC, or PB for that matter. The only other hotel that can compete I think is Field Plaza Suites, which is owned by the same company, and Lewis Grand, but my friend who used to love the LG, feels that it has not kept up as well as ABC has.

6. Are you looking for a little soapy action? The only place I know is in Manila called Star Fleet, its in Sucat, down the street from Air Force One. Star fleet has 3 tiers of girls last time I was there. 3 floors, the top being the most "beautiful" girls. I only say "beautiful" because they are well endowed, can range from very pretty to alrite, with a few stunners in between. But all are light skinned. If thats not your deal, (might want something skinnier and more exotic looking with a more tanned skin) you can go a floor down and find something more to your liking. The rate last time I was there was 2k for the room, and 2k for the girl once you are in the room for the whole package. That was the rate on the top floor. As for AC, I am not aware of a nuru massage or soapy time place, its definitely more of a bar scene. Not to say you can't get a great legit massage in AC.

If you have any other questions about AC or Manila feel free to post more. I'll answer as best I can.

Pete Benetar
02-05-13, 21:35
Question for all: is there a legitimate reason for taking cell phones?Seems like a blatant red flag labor is exploitative or coercive, assuming the girls don't get the phones back at end of day / shift.

Member #4698
02-05-13, 22:20
I wouldn't know about Macau, but suggest that Bangkok can be a better deal than AC for the value seeking "budget monger". At least IME.No. Low end to low end comparisons; AC is cheaper. Santos and Raymond bar girls vs. Nana parking lot.


In BKK you can probably get girls as hot as in AC for less money ST.BKK has a far larger quantity of top end girls than AC, but they will ask far more $$$ than top end AC girls will ask. Top price for a looker in AC is around 4000p for LT. In BKK the sky is the limit.


In BKK for the same price you'ld spend in AC you can get a superior hotel room and service. More choice & vacancies also.Yes. BKK has many more hotels and better prices than AC. But I like ABC and Lewis. I have no complaints and there are other good choices for less. BKK no question has better food and cultural attractions. AC has very little of that.

But, I think you are making a big mistake however in writing off AC and the PI. 1st a better comparison to make is between AC and Pattaya and then Manila and BKK. Compare Boom Boom town to Boom Boom town and big city to big city. So let's talk about AC and Pattaya. I love Patt. What's not to love? 10, 000 sex crazed Thai girls. More bars than I will ever visit. But I also dig AC. Why? Because AC is not Pattaya and Filipinas are not Thai girls.

The one thing that bugs me about Pattaya is the masses of cheap idiot tourists gawking around Walking Street, Beach Road, and 2nd road. These fools turn Pattaya into a carnival show in which everybody including the punters are part of the act. The crowds are so bad that I will not go to Patt in December or January anymore. AC, as crude and unrefined as it is, is like a private club for guys like us. This place is our private enclave. We don't share it with anybody!

2nd, and this is the main thing, AC and Manila are home to Filipinas, the friendliest (GFE) girls in the world. Look, I love Thai girls. They are sexy and beautiful and have tight bodies. And believe me I pay up to shag the hot ones and I have been visiting LOS since '89. But every time I get off the plane in the PI and hook up with my first few Filipinas of the trip, I am always taken aback at how fucking nice Filipinas are. It is hard to explain in words. You will have to take my word for it. They are different than Thai or Chinese girls. Maybe more open, more loving, or just needier, I don't know, but the difference is palpable. You can feel it when you are with them and when you sleep with them. I won't argue with guys who say Thai girls are prettier or have better bodies. I kind of agree with that. I won't even argue with you over comparative prices. I know it is cheaper in the PI, but that is not the point. Here is the point; even if Filipinas were more money than Thai girls or Chinese girls, I would still want to shag them and spend time with them.

Here is a small example of what I am talking about. After 3 weeks in BKK, a week in Patt, and 5 days in Macau on my last trip, I fly to Manila. The first night in Manila (Makati) I head over to Rogues Bar on Burgos. I meet a sexy spinner and let her seduce me in the back of the bar. Things got pretty crazy in the back of the bar. She had my cock out and was giving me a HJ as my hands wandered around underneath her panties. Back at my hotel we do the usual soapy shower, BBBJ, and sex routine. Because of all the shagging I had been doing, I was running low on vital fluids. We shagged in various positions for around 40 minutes, finally moving into doggy where she finally collapsed and I planted my seed. It was exhausting. She turns over and smiles and says she came two times, how was it for me, and hugs me. We kiss for a while and then fall asleep in each other's arms. I wake around 4 in the morning. She is still wrapped around me. I have a morning hard on and I start kissing her. She wakes and grabs my dick. We begin session 2 and then fall asleep again. Around 10am we both awake, again in each other's arms, and after a quick run to the bathroom, session three begins. Ok, Ok. It was a good shag. No big deal. I know that, but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy, that was the thing. I don't know; words are hard to find that can explain it. It was different than in LOS or Macau. More GFE from the get go. I don't know. Anyway I bought her some breakfast and we said goodbye. But not before we exchanged phone numbers and she asked if I was going to stop by the bar tonight. I told her I might, but I was not sure. I saw her again three days later on my last night in town and we had another good time. Nice girl. I will look her up when I return to MNL. But there are thousands like her in MNL, AC, Subic, and Cebu. That is why I visit the PI.

So until you have sampled Filipinas in the PI, (AC and / or Manila for starters) you will not know what you are missing. Do yourself a favor, fly over from BKK on your next Asian trip and spend 3, 4, or 5 days in AC or MNL and see what I am talking about. Then let us know what you think.

Black Shirt
02-06-13, 00:45
No. Low end to low end comparisons; AC is cheaper. Santos and Raymond bar girls vs. Nana parking lot.

BKK has a far larger quantity of top end girls than AC, but they will ask far more $$$ than top end AC girls will ask. Top price for a looker in AC is around 4000p for LT. In BKK the sky is the limit.

Yes. BKK has many more hotels and better prices than AC. But I like ABC and Lewis. I have no complaints and there are other good choices for less. BKK no question has better food and cultural attractions. AC has very little of that.

But, I think you are making a big mistake however in writing off AC and the PI. 1st a better comparison to make is between AC and Pattaya and then Manila and BKK. Compare Boom Boom town to Boom Boom town and big city to big city. So let's talk about AC and Pattaya. I love Patt. What's not to love? 10, 000 sex crazed Thai girls. More bars than I will ever visit. But I also dig AC. Why? Because AC is not Pattaya and Filipinas are not Thai girls.

The one thing that bugs me about Pattaya is the masses of cheap idiot tourists gawking around Walking Street, Beach Road, and 2nd road. These fools turn Pattaya into a carnival show in which everybody including the punters are part of the act. The crowds are so bad that I will not go to Patt in December or January anymore. AC, as crude and unrefined as it is, is like a private club for guys like us. This place is our private enclave. We don't share it with anybody!

2nd, and this is the main thing, AC and Manila are home to Filipinas, the friendliest (GFE) girls in the world. Look, I love Thai girls. They are sexy and beautiful and have tight bodies. And believe me I pay up to shag the hot ones and I have been visiting LOS since '89. But every time I get off the plane in the PI and hook up with my first few Filipinas of the trip, I am always taken aback at how fucking nice Filipinas are. It is hard to explain in words. You will have to take my word for it. They are different than Thai or Chinese girls. Maybe more open, more loving, or just needier, I don't know, but the difference is palpable. You can feel it when you are with them and when you sleep with them. I won't argue with guys who say Thai girls are prettier or have better bodies. I kind of agree with that. I won't even argue with you over comparative prices. I know it is cheaper in the PI, but that is not the point. Here is the point; even if Filipinas were more money than Thai girls or Chinese girls, I would still want to shag them and spend time with them.

Here is a small example of what I am talking about. After 3 weeks in BKK, a week in Patt, and 5 days in Macau on my last trip, I fly to Manila. The first night in Manila (Makati) I head over to Rogues Bar on Burgos. I meet a sexy spinner and let her seduce me in the back of the bar. Things got pretty crazy in the back of the bar. She had my cock out and was giving me a HJ as my hands wandered around underneath her panties. Back at my hotel we do the usual soapy shower, BBBJ, and sex routine. Because of all the shagging I had been doing, I was running low on vital fluids. We shagged in various positions for around 40 minutes, finally moving into doggy where she finally collapsed and I planted my seed. It was exhausting. She turns over and smiles and says she came two times, how was it for me, and hugs me. We kiss for a while and then fall asleep in each other's arms. I wake around 4 in the morning. She is still wrapped around me. I have a morning hard on and I start kissing her. She wakes and grabs my dick. We begin session 2 and then fall asleep again. Around 10am we both awake, again in each other's arms, and after a quick run to the bathroom, session three begins. Ok, Ok. It was a good shag. No big deal. I know that, but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy, that was the thing. I don't know; words are hard to find that can explain it. It was different than in LOS or Macau. More GFE from the get go. I don't know. Anyway I bought her some breakfast and we said goodbye. But not before we exchanged phone numbers and she asked if I was going to stop by the bar tonight. I told her I might, but I was not sure. I saw her again three days later on my last night in town and we had another good time. Nice girl. I will look her up when I return to MNL. But there are thousands like her in MNL, AC, Subic, and Cebu. That is why I visit the PI.

So until you have sampled Filipinas in the PI, (AC and / or Manila for starters) you will not know what you are missing. Do yourself a favor, fly over from BKK on your next Asian trip and spend 3, 4, or 5 days in AC or MNL and see what I am talking about. Then let us know what you think.Thanks, a masterful report. Not to be wasted.

Pete Benetar
02-06-13, 07:34
Write us again when you are 58 and she is 28. And has graduated from school. Knows her way around. Has been approached by countless younger SUCCESSFUL men. Who can offer the same, if not more. Plus what all WOMEN eventually want. A FAMILY. Which you say you CAN'T provide. Peace outSure, I'll pm you in 7 or 8 years. Will probably be well into my next project by then. You can have a crack at my bride if you're a really nice guy. Most guys who do these projects must think it's destined to be a life long relationship. I guess you're one of those guys.

I don't have those kinds of delusions. I don't need a single woman to define my happiness or long term relations. And I think you either have some issues reading or at the very least distorting what it is you read. Some day I might get the vas reversed. Or not. Or adopt, or not. With 4 kids and a as single dad raising two of them myself from early childhood, I'll bet my handle on a family is as much or more than your handle any day of the week. I love raising kids so no biggy. Then again, if I don't want to have another family, no biggy. I've told my "wife" I want to see her through citizenship and we can part ways. Or not.

And, lmao, will she mind me doing other girls? She was arranging girls for me my last FT and I did a 2 on 1 with her last month with a fellow mongerer. I mentioned she was conservative at her core, but that does not exclude her nymphomania.

For the record, I say in my posts I do not recommend this COA. Only that it CAN be done if you are not a twit and you are not pussy whipped. I lived with her close to a year with no marital obligation and am calculating in a few years we can get a divorce once she's got citizenship.

Mc Don
02-06-13, 07:47
No. Low end to low end comparisons; AC is cheaper. Santos and Raymond bar girls vs. Nana parking lot.

BKK has a far larger quantity of top end girls than AC, but they will ask far more $$$ than top end AC girls will ask. Top price for a looker in AC is around 4000p for LT. In BKK the sky is the limit.

Yes. BKK has many more hotels and better prices than AC. But I like ABC and Lewis. I have no complaints and there are other good choices for less. BKK no question has better food and cultural attractions. AC has very little of that.

But, I think you are making a big mistake however in writing off AC and the PI. 1st a better comparison to make is between AC and Pattaya and then Manila and BKK. Compare Boom Boom town to Boom Boom town and big city to big city. So let's talk about AC and Pattaya. I love Patt. What's not to love? 10, 000 sex crazed Thai girls. More bars than I will ever visit. But I also dig AC. Why? Because AC is not Pattaya and Filipinas are not Thai girls.

The one thing that bugs me about Pattaya is the masses of cheap idiot tourists gawking around Walking Street, Beach Road, and 2nd road. These fools turn Pattaya into a carnival show in which everybody including the punters are part of the act. The crowds are so bad that I will not go to Patt in December or January anymore. AC, as crude and unrefined as it is, is like a private club for guys like us. This place is our private enclave. We don't share it with anybody!

2nd, and this is the main thing, AC and Manila are home to Filipinas, the friendliest (GFE) girls in the world. Look, I love Thai girls. They are sexy and beautiful and have tight bodies. And believe me I pay up to shag the hot ones and I have been visiting LOS since '89. But every time I get off the plane in the PI and hook up with my first few Filipinas of the trip, I am always taken aback at how fucking nice Filipinas are. It is hard to explain in words. You will have to take my word for it. They are different than Thai or Chinese girls. Maybe more open, more loving, or just needier, I don't know, but the difference is palpable. You can feel it when you are with them and when you sleep with them. I won't argue with guys who say Thai girls are prettier or have better bodies. I kind of agree with that. I won't even argue with you over comparative prices. I know it is cheaper in the PI, but that is not the point. Here is the point; even if Filipinas were more money than Thai girls or Chinese girls, I would still want to shag them and spend time with them.

Here is a small example of what I am talking about. After 3 weeks in BKK, a week in Patt, and 5 days in Macau on my last trip, I fly to Manila. The first night in Manila (Makati) I head over to Rogues Bar on Burgos. I meet a sexy spinner and let her seduce me in the back of the bar. Things got pretty crazy in the back of the bar. She had my cock out and was giving me a HJ as my hands wandered around underneath her panties. Back at my hotel we do the usual soapy shower, BBBJ, and sex routine. Because of all the shagging I had been doing, I was running low on vital fluids. We shagged in various positions for around 40 minutes, finally moving into doggy where she finally collapsed and I planted my seed. It was exhausting. She turns over and smiles and says she came two times, how was it for me, and hugs me. We kiss for a while and then fall asleep in each other's arms. I wake around 4 in the morning. She is still wrapped around me. I have a morning hard on and I start kissing her. She wakes and grabs my dick. We begin session 2 and then fall asleep again. Around 10am we both awake, again in each other's arms, and after a quick run to the bathroom, session three begins. Ok, Ok. It was a good shag. No big deal. I know that, but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy, that was the thing. I don't know; words are hard to find that can explain it. It was different than in LOS or Macau. More GFE from the get go. I don't know. Anyway I bought her some breakfast and we said goodbye. But not before we exchanged phone numbers and she asked if I was going to stop by the bar tonight. I told her I might, but I was not sure. I saw her again three days later on my last night in town and we had another good time. Nice girl. I will look her up when I return to MNL. But there are thousands like her in MNL, AC, Subic, and Cebu. That is why I visit the PI.

So until you have sampled Filipinas in the PI, (AC and / or Manila for starters) you will not know what you are missing. Do yourself a favor, fly over from BKK on your next Asian trip and spend 3, 4, or 5 days in AC or MNL and see what I am talking about. Then let us know what you think.I could not agree more with everything written here. Filipinas win every time when it comes to the WHOLE experience. Thai / Chinese are too mechanical these days. I usually spend 3 days in BKK and do numbers and short times only then my holiday starts once I arrive in phils. The connection between the punter and the girl is far far far easier to establish and there is much more substance to it. Its not for everyone, but those that prefer LT and GF experiance prefer Phils over LOS.

I spent the weekend in Makati where I was busy with DIA girls during the day, then barhopped around burgos. On Friday I made arrangements with a hottie to meet up after her shift as I hit her bar just before closing time. Saturday I paid her 2000p barfine, Sunday was her day off, she just wanted to go and hang in greenbelt with me. All up 3 nights / one day multiple shots (we are taking 15+) fucking a 19year old costed me 2000bf. 4000 in tip to her for 2 nights (2000 each night fri and sat, Sunday was freebie) , one night out in havana / spicy fingers 1300p. Texts have not stopped from her and she is now saying she will take time off next weekend so we can hang out more, no money involved anymore. Despite the offer I will probably pass as I have few more DIA's and ex's there that I want to play with. No big deal in what I wrote for anyone that has visited phils but things like this no longer happen in Thailand and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Mr Enternational
02-06-13, 08:27
So until you have sampled Filipinas in the PI, (AC and / or Manila for starters) you will not know what you are missing. Do yourself a favor, fly over from BKK on your next Asian trip and spend 3, 4, or 5 days in AC or MNL and see what I am talking about. Then let us know what you think.I'm Thailand to the death. My first time in PI I was like I'm never coming back to this shithole. But since I now come once a year for diving and do mongering on the side, this place is really starting to grow on me. I arrived in Dumaguete a couple of hours ago. My DIA contact texted me before I left Manila and asked if it was alright if she picked me up from the airport or is somebody else coming. I told her sure to come on. She borrowed her brother's king cab to come get me in and brought a friend along with her. And when that happens I am always wondering why they do it because it is too dangerous that the guy will end up liking the friend instead. But in this case she has put the friend off on me saying that she said she likes me. I have never talked about sex with this girl before. Hell we hardly ever even talk. But she tried to make her friend stay with me and her friend said that she was on her period. I told her I didn't care. But she went home now and is going to come back later. And why do their pictures always look 100 times better than them? On FB my girl is like wow, but in person ehhhh. And the friend was showing me some pictures in her cell phone and I said who the hell is that? She said it is me at the beach back in November. I couldn't believe it. Sometimes I wish I could just have the picture instead of the girl.

I can't wait to get to AC in a couple of days. My first stop will be A Santos to say hello to all the guys that live there, and my second stop will be High Society since I have never been there.

Red Kilt
02-06-13, 10:50
. .". And why do their pictures always look 100 times better than them? On FB my girl is like wow, but in person ehhhh. And the friend was showing me some pictures in her cell phone and I said who the hell is that? She said it is me at the beach back in November. I couldn't believe it. Sometimes I wish I could just have the picture instead of the girl.

. .You are reinforcing what a few of us have said time and time again on the Chat Rooms & Pen Pals thread.

Photos are always deceptive. Some girls are naturally photogenic but quite "plain" in person.

Girls often use very out-dated photos to promote themselves (not too surprising)

Even the use of the cam can cleverly conceal many blemishes not to mention the belly etc.

Not much that can be done about it but it is a heads-up to those guys who meet hotties on line with pics and cam and arrange for an assignation and then get a shock when she appears at the hotel door looking nothing like you expected and it is almost too late to throw her back into the pond.

FruitNinja
02-06-13, 11:41
No. Low end to low end comparisons; AC is cheaper. Santos and Raymond bar girls vs. Nana parking lot.

So until you have sampled Filipinas in the PI, (AC and / or Manila for starters) you will not know what you are missing. Do yourself a favor, fly over from BKK on your next Asian trip and spend 3, 4, or 5 days in AC or MNL and see what I am talking about. Then let us know what you think.This was my first trip to PI and the girls are definitely GFE. I was in Pats and am in BKK right now. First two nights in BKK were great. 3rd was a disaster. I kicked her out after an hour.

PinkPearl
02-06-13, 15:52
Low end to low end comparisons; AC is cheaper. Santos and Raymond bar girls vs. Nana parking lotThe Nana Parking Lot (NPL) in Bangkok is one of the streetwalker (SW) hangouts in the area of NEP and lower sukhumvit. These girls usually go for 1000 baht (1300 pesos) ST and it has been that way since 2007 when I first came to the City of Angels (Krung Thep). But this isn't the low end for SWs in BKK, as prices as economical as 300 baht ST have been reported for Chinatown & less than the NPL cost elsewhere with allegedly better looking girls who normally cater to Thai men.

OTOH recent claims re AC SWs say that a lady can be taken ST for as little as 300 or 500 Pesos, which would be about the same as quoted rock bottom BKK rates. However there are many warnings to avoid SWs in AC, at least the ones who don't work in bars, and its apparently considered a much more serious concern than picking up their counterparts in BKK. Others guys in AC, however, feel quite comfortable bedding them.

BTW in both places, when the bar & gogo workers finish work & hit the streets, many can be picked up at reduced rates as, techicly speaking, SWs.

As regards Santos & Raymond St bar girls, they are located in what is called the "blow row" (BR) area of AC. They are not SWs and their services sound more comparable to the BJ bars in BKK than the BKK NPL SWs. I doubt the best looking gals on BR would measure up anywhere near the top 10 percent of NPL SWs in the looks department.

Certainly the blow row BJ specialists in AC are cheaper than their counterparts in BKK, at least Dr BJs, where the minimum cost is 1000 Baht for a 30 minute BBBJ session. Blow row rates in AC were recently 700 Pesos for 2 to 4 hours, and 1200 or 1300 Pesos for 12 hours, and that included not only BBBJ but FS. Quite the bargain pricewise when compared to BKK, especially if it were non stop sex, but if involving a lot of so called GFE instead, that would be more like GAE (Girl Annoyance Experience) to others whose attitude is once the sex is over they "pay her (the hooker) to leave".

Looks wise, blow row girls are not recommended, although the occasional fine specimen has been mentioned in what I've read thus far of 2012 reports. OTOH Dr BJ's website seems much more pleasant in that regard.

So, bottom line, as it concerns BBBJ type venues, if you prefer cheaper, there's AC. If looks are more your thing, then maybe try BKK.

When you compare hot young SWs around NEP in BKK for 1000 Baht ST to AC bar girls of the same quality in looks, Bangkok is the easy winner in value, price & cost, assuming it is a ST session in either case. Even bar & gogo ST prices in BKK are at times cheaper or comparable to EWR AC rates. Of course this doesn't take into consideration any differences in attitudes & service levels, the length of the ST, or the possibility of LT with EWR if the girl doesn't run. If you like a girl to hang around with you all night, for many hours, & get the equivalent of two or more ST sessions with her for the EWR price, then AC is the winner. But if you want a ST & then to get rid of the girl, then BKK could easily be considered the preferred value choice, for getting the most bang for your buck.


BKK has a far larger quantity of top end girls than AC, but they will ask far more $$$ than top end AC girls will ask. Top price for a looker in AC is around 4000p for LT. In BKK the sky is the limit.In BKK the sky is the limit, true, though as stated above 1000 baht (1300 pesos) ST for model material is easily attainable, at least IME. I'd also note that unlike EWR in AC, payment to SWs in BKK is after the session & they do not pressure or require you to buy any drinks for yourself or any lady. So the ball is in your court when it comes to them not living up to their pre bedroom agreed upon promises.


Yes. BKK has many more hotels and better prices than AC. But I like ABC and Lewis. I have no complaints and there are other good choices for less. BKK no question has better food and cultural attractions. AC has very little of that.

But, I think you are making a big mistake however in writing off AC and the PI. 1st a better comparison to make is between AC and Pattaya and then Manila and BKK. Compare Boom Boom town to Boom Boom town and big city to big city. So let's talk about AC and Pattaya. I love Patt. What's not to love? 10, 000 sex crazed Thai girls. More bars than I will ever visit. But I also dig AC. Why? Because AC is not Pattaya and Filipinas are not Thai girls.

The one thing that bugs me about Pattaya is the masses of cheap idiot tourists gawking around Walking Street, Beach Road, and 2nd road. These fools turn Pattaya into a carnival show in which everybody including the punters are part of the act. The crowds are so bad that I will not go to Patt in December or January anymore. AC, as crude and unrefined as it is, is like a private club for guys like us. This place is our private enclave. We don't share it with anybody!I've never been to Pattaya, but if I had a choice I'd probably choose it over AC. Why? Because, in a word, it's Thailand. But as it stands, with the plan to live 12 months a year in Asia I can only spend about 6 months of it in LOS, so must go elsewhere for the other 6 months, which will likely be AC. I'll also have to plan for at least a few days or a week or two in a third country, for tax purposes.

BTW Beach Road SWs in Pattaya are reportedly often willing to go ST for a mere 500 Baht (about 665 Pesos or 17 USD). And generally speaking things there, most notably ladies & hotels, will allow your dollar to stretch further than in BKK.


2nd, and this is the main thing, AC and Manila are home to Filipinas, the friendliest (GFE) girls in the world. Look, I love Thai girls. They are sexy and beautiful and have tight bodies. And believe me I pay up to shag the hot ones and I have been visiting LOS since '89. But every time I get off the plane in the PI and hook up with my first few Filipinas of the trip, I am always taken aback at how fucking nice Filipinas are. It is hard to explain in words. You will have to take my word for it. They are different than Thai or Chinese girls. Maybe more open, more loving, or just needier, I don't know, but the difference is palpable. You can feel it when you are with them and when you sleep with them. I won't argue with guys who say Thai girls are prettier or have better bodies. I kind of agree with that. I won't even argue with you over comparative prices. I know it is cheaper in the PI, but that is not the point. Here is the point; even if Filipinas were more money than Thai girls or Chinese girls, I would still want to shag them and spend time with them.I've found Thai P4P girls to be quite friendly, certainly compared to Western feminists. They are largely about sanook (fun) which is a major aspect of their culture. So I'm not sure how the Philippine ladies are going to top that, but maybe some day I'll find out what you're describing.

However when I'm with a prostitute I'm looking for her to "take care" of me, please me, service me, do what I want, not have me treat her like a GF, watch TV with her, eat & drink with her, listen to her life story or have long intellectual discussions or debates together.

Sometimes my sessions with P4P TGs might be described as GFE in that they involve a lot of kissing, touching, cuddling or foreplay prior to sex, if sex even happens. But GFE means different things to different people, & has many definitions.

I had a cute young slim Thai SW hooker invite me to be her BF after a session today in which she sucked me & we fucked each other BB for 80 minutes. She kissed me lightly with a closed mouth less than 10 times. Personally I wouldn't call that what I'd want from a girl friend, as I enjoy lots of kissing, including lips to lips, LFK & DFK. Still a very enjoyable session from a 24 year old who looked about 19. In total we spent perhaps 5 minutes talking, one of the advantages of not being able to speak each other's language. More rock, less talk.

Usually my sessions with TGs involve lots of fucking, girls giving me long BBBJ's, DATO, BLS. TGs are not as much into kissing, especially before sex, as Canadian girls, although a good percentage get into DFK when I'm banging them, & they'll even initiate it. If PI girls were like Canadians in that regard, it would be a positive & give them an advantage over TGs.


Here is a small example of what I am talking about. After 3 weeks in BKK, a week in Patt, and 5 days in Macau on my last trip, I fly to Manila.

The first night in Manila (Makati) I head over to Rogues Bar on Burgos. I meet a sexy spinner and let her seduce me in the back of the bar.

Things got pretty crazy in the back of the bar. She had my cock out and was giving me a HJ as my hands wandered around underneath her panties. Back at my hotel we do the usual soapy shower, BBBJ, and sex routine. Because of all the shagging I had been doing, I was running low on vital fluids. We shagged in various positions for around 40 minutes, finally moving into doggy where she finally collapsed and I planted my seed. It was exhausting. She turns over and smiles and says she came two times, how was it for me, and hugs me. We kiss for a while and then fall asleep in each other's arms. I wake around 4 in the morning. She is still wrapped around me. I have a morning hard on and I start kissing her. She wakes and grabs my dick. We begin session 2 and then fall asleep again. Around 10am we both awake, again in each other's arms, and after a quick run to the bathroom, session three begins. Ok, Ok. It was a good shag. No big deal. I know that, but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy, that was the thing. I don't know; words are hard to find that can explain it. It was different than in LOS or Macau. More GFE from the get go. I don't know. Anyway I bought her some breakfast and we said goodbye. But not before we exchanged phone numbers and she asked if I was going to stop by the bar tonight. I told her I might, but I was not sure. I saw her again three days later on my last night in town and we had another good time. Nice girl. I will look her up when I return to MNL. But there are thousands like her in MNL, AC, Subic, and Cebu. That is why I visit the PI.It sounds like you had an awesome time. LT or sleeping with a gal is not my style or cup of tea, but to each their own.


"but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy. that was the thing."I think there are a lot of TGs with this attitude. As they put it, they want to "take care you".

With that in mind, what I'll be looking for in PI are girls who can:

1. Shag for an hour or two at a time. Even starfishes may apply, as I'm often up for a sweaty sexercise workout. (Many TGs are great at just laying there like a lame fish, as opposed to the other extreme of a wild tigress scratching you all over & biting you. I'll take the corpse over the tigress).

2. Give BBBJ for a hour or two, non stop, and in just the way I like it.

3. Perform DATO & or BLS on me for an hour or two, while I play the violin, till I cum, or end the session due to exhaustion.

4. DFK while simultaneously giving me a prostrate anal hand massage as my guitar gently weeps.


About the four passes through, I am stopped in my tracks in front of the wonderfully names 'One Eyed Wench (I mean, who can resist that name, and who amoung you has not wanted to Phuck a one eyed wench?). What is it that has locked my feet into the ground and pulled my eyes toward it as if god has appeared in front of me? A perfect, perfect 10. I mean, to me, a 10 is not something you just throw around as a rating. To me, supermodel hot is a 9- a 10 is that hot with just something extra, some deep and profound sensuality that transends the looks. Well, there she is, a door girl in a tight par of jeans with a perfect little ass, B / C cup, flat, flat stomach, but enough muscule tone that gives look of your yummy gym rat- pefrect. The face is out of this world. I almost never just go with a girl on looks alone- I have to feel a chemistry. But, I am phucking this one even if she is the most sour.ussed ***** in the world, even if she is the emodiment of money grubbing skank. For the 1500 paso EWR (34 bucks) , even if she terms out to be a frigid matress bag I will see god ever second while inside her.04-30-12 20:28.

The Philippines: Angeles City

FunMan13
02-06-13, 18:39
Natty Bumpo is right on the money. I have been to both cities many times in the last 10 years. Each has its good points which have been mentioned. To me the three biggest differences for mongers are:

1. GFE factor: The Pinay doesn't count how many shots you did. She is just as anxious to have orgasms as you do. Short time does not mean exactly one or two hours. Sometimes she stays past four hours. Long time can mean until noon the next day. A lot depends on you too. If both of you are having a great time, she usually stays. If you just bang her for 5 minutes and roll over, she's not having fun and so will probably want to get out ASAP.

2. Price: DPH (dollar per hour) AC wins hands down. Bangkok is already spoiled by too many mongers. It's very hard to get LTs anymore. After you BF the girl, you still have to work out a deal with her. The bar is not involved. In AC the BF includes the girl's "fees". Granted there are duds and runners in AC but it's rare.

3. Pinay speaks English: MOST IMPORTANT! I can chat and joke with her for hours. We can communicate while having sex. We can watch TV, talk (I usually ask about her background, when she lost her cherry, how much she makes at the bar, etc. She asks about my home in US, the places I have travelled, even about the girls in other mongering places). In Bangkok, most girls only know a smattering of English, not enough to have a conversation, and most of us don't speak Thai. So if you get a Thai girl LT, what can the two of you do in between sex?

However, Bangkok is better in the non-mongering areas. It has much, much better restaurants, tourist attractions and shopping. It has mass transit so you can quickly go all over the city.

I just left AC two days ago after spending four nights. I will post that report tomorrow. You will understand my 3 points.

Bob Bowie
02-06-13, 19:22
Natty Bumpo is right on the money. I have been to both cities many times in the last 10 years. Each has its good points which have been mentioned. To me the three biggest differences for mongers are:

3. Pinay speaks English: MOST IMPORTANT! I can chat and joke with her for hours. We can communicate while having sex. We can watch TV, talk (I usually ask about her background, when she lost her cherry, how much she makes at the bar, etc. She asks about my home in US, the places I have travelled, even about the girls in other mongering places). In Bangkok, most girls only know a smattering of English, not enough to have a conversation, and most of us don't speak Thai. So if you get a Thai girl LT, what can the two of you do in between sex?Thailand's Culture Minister is not happy about this skit from SNL last weekend.

http://www.eonline.com/news/385518/saturday-night-live-s-sex-tourism-rosetta-stone-skit-offensive-to-thailand-official?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

Bob Bowie
02-06-13, 19:33
You are reinforcing what a few of us have said time and time again on the Chat Rooms & Pen Pals thread.

Photos are always deceptive. Some girls are naturally photogenic but quite "plain" in person.

Girls often use very out-dated photos to promote themselves (not too surprising)

Even the use of the cam can cleverly conceal many blemishes not to mention the belly etc.

Not much that can be done about it but it is a heads-up to those guys who meet hotties on line with pics and cam and arrange for an assignation and then get a shock when she appears at the hotel door looking nothing like you expected and it is almost too late to throw her back into the pond.For me, the best part of Facebook is MOST of the girls upload many different pictures. You have a lot different views and can a good idea of what they look like. Just the opposite of DAI.

Pete Benetar
02-06-13, 20:52
http://www.eonline.com/news/385518/saturday-night-live-s-sex-tourism-rosetta-stone-skit-offensive-to-thailand-official?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstoriesLMAO. Validation to Funman's point #3. Would be pained to see ISG caricatures on SNL struggling through Rosetta Stone to learn Tagalog!

PinkPearl
02-07-13, 16:45
Angeles has a very bad reputation for some nasty STD's, no reports on HIV outbreaks YET, but lots of reports of drug resistant gonorrhea cases popping up. My opinion is that the cases of HIV are being under reported.Where are these reports on "nasty STD's" and "drug resistant gonorrhea" in AC? I don't recall any mention of them in the PI Safe Sex thread or from reading some 90 pages with hundreds of posts in this one from the year 2012. HIV, BTW, is by far my greatest concern. I hardly give a thought to lame stuff like Chlamydia.


Ok, I have some vacation time coming up, and have long been curious about visiting the Phillipines. I have been to the spectacle that is Pattaya, and it seems that Angeles may be a similar paradise. However, I have been reading through previous postings going back pretty far, and I am starting to get a little spooked about the prevalence of STD's and barebacking. The PI is the only country with its own section called 'Safe sex in the Phillipines, ' and its pretty active.Is there any reason to be more concerned about STIs & BBing in AC than Pattaya where you've already been?

Other countries have Safe Sex sections, too, such as Brazil and Thailand. The PI SS thread is relatively new.

Slippery
02-08-13, 03:31
LMAO. Validation to Funman's point #3. Would be pained to see ISG caricatures on SNL struggling through Rosetta Stone to learn Tagalog!Hahahahaha, yeah, there's some real wiz kids on this forum.

Ekspat
02-08-13, 09:25
Where are these reports on "nasty STD's" and "drug resistant gonorrhea" in AC?I had once an "almost" drug resistant gonorrhea, already back in 2008 or 2009 or so, maybe these days it's even worse. This thing was entirely resistant against antibiotics of first and second generation, the only cure was 3rd generation antibiotics called ceftriaxone given by intramuscular shot. One full gram. Not overwhelmingly pleasant, the experience.

Pagal Chacha
02-08-13, 11:00
I had once an "almost" drug resistant gonorrhea, already back in 2008 or 2009 or so, maybe these days it's even worse. This thing was entirely resistant against antibiotics of first and second generation, the only cure was 3rd generation antibiotics called ceftriaxone given by intramuscular shot. One full gram. Not overwhelmingly pleasant, the experience.Ceftrixone is a second generation antibiotic standard treatment for Neisseria gonohoorehae in western world is Cephelosprins (ceftrixone ). Sporadic resistance to Cephelosporins has been reported in Japan and some some parts of southeast asia, this mainly due to availablity of drugs withour prescription over counter and incomplete treatment.

Dashing Don
02-08-13, 14:49
First off, WTF, Pink Pearl still hasn't been banned?

Some very interesting posts on the PI, marrying Filippinas and comparing PI to Thailand. Lots of good points.

Speaking only for myself, I notice that if I'm travelling alone, then I feel more disposed to hooking up with a girl for the few days I'm in town. Just so I have someone to hang out with. Can't fuck all day despite some of the fantastic stories I read here. If I'm with another guy, then it is basically a fuck fest with multiple assignations with prostitutes and regular girls from the sites and little if any spending time with the girls.

I recently had a two-and-half week trip which included a side trip to BKK and Pattaya. The length of the trip alone was a mistake. Once the leche runs out, I want to head home and that usually takes about a week. The viagra can extend things for a little bit, but dining at an all-you-can-fuck buffet-I have difficulty showing any kind of restraint. Pointers on how to keep the juice flowing are welcome as long as they don't dwell on hard-to-find plants only found in upper Borneo.

The filippinas are the sweetest girls I've experienced anywhere, are a joy to be with and I believe they make good wives. This is based on purely anecdotal info. I also believe that mongers are getting a free ride with the regular girls, meaning that so many caucasians come to the Phils and successfully marry these girls, that when a monger shows up, he (me, you all) is accorded all the respect that a real suitor would get, and being true to his nature, pulls her panties down.

I hadn't been in Thailand in about 6 years. Used to be a regular visitor. After the Phils it was a shock. Its no longer the Land of Smiles. How could it be under the onslaught of tourists, some from places like India, Arab countries, Africa Russia etc that never were a factor before. The sight of a svelte, petite Thai girl on Beach Road being surrounded by ten scruffy-looking Bangladeshis, or Indians or Pakistanis or whatever, trying to beat her down to some ridiculous figure-well its easy to see how ten thousand years of Thai culture can get extinguished real fast. I didn't encounter many smiles anywhere. Fatigue is more like it.

I met a gorgeous 21yr old in Manila and spent a lot of time with her. Even skype with her now stateside. A jewel. Hard to get that here in the US even if I was 21 myself, which I'm not. Definitely feel more vulnerable to the charms of these girls while travelling alone rather than in a pack.

Don

Sammon
02-08-13, 15:13
There are quite a few sweet Thai girls who are GFE. I had few non P4P girlfriends over the years. We would fuck like crazy and take trips. Thais tend to have bigger boobs and body structure is different than Phi girls. Ofcourse english language skills are poor but if the girl is friendly who cares? In general is quite safe to travel length and breadth of Thailand. Cannot say the same for Phi.

Problem nowadays is too many young guys are coming to Thailand and hitting on young good looking girls. So it leaves hardly any young girls to us older people. With the economy getting better and money flowing Thai girls are not settling for pittance anymore. If you are ready to splurge can get very good girls in Thailand.

Thailand as a cheap sex destination is long gone.

In Phi the barangay mentality has not left. They still feel few pesos is lot of money. Phi does not get lots of young guys as sex tourists. Those who come usually come with their girlfriends to sightsee.

Give Phi another 10 years and probably they will also change.

For some young cuties in AC things have already changed. They are stuck up and will not go with anybody. Couple of years ago runners and excuses were never heard of. Now it is routine. I remember the time when the girls did not even expect tips in the morning. If offered they looked at it funny and some even refused saying it is not necessary.

Pete Benetar
02-08-13, 17:39
Thailand as a cheap sex destination is long gone. Give Phi another 10 years and probably they will also change.Thailand with per capita GDP of about 10, 000 USD (IMF 2011) I think probably qualifies as 2n world while the PI same year is about $4000. So macroeconomy big difference and same is true across Asia with some significant exceptions. 5 of 10 most expensive cities in the World are in Asia (Japan, Australia, Singapore) ; most others are in Europe. Helps me stay clear on why I'm happy with the PI and hardly care about the rest of Asia (or Europe for that matter) though Vietnam is unk to me and will make a trip there some day.

The PI will indeed probably continue this trend, trying to catch up, but maybe not so fast and maybe not without regression. There's still a world of debt that has not been realized and if / when that happens, Europe and USA economies could drag and pull the rest of the world along, including Asia and especially the lower income countries. Of course, at that point everyone's wealth would be getting hit including those of us on ISG.

BTW, Ceftriaxone is 3rd generation cephalosporin, not 2nd and while there are oral forms of it, oral ceftriaxone is not as effective as injectable. Therefore, a with oral form, a second Abx e. G. Doxy or azithromycin is usually prescribed.

California8
02-08-13, 19:17
This report from my first time trip a month ago. Arrived at AC airport in the morning and met by pick up service since staying at ABC Hotel. After getting settled since it was still in the afternoon, I headed further out to the Perimeter Bars. After School had a few customers but the two cuties I was attracted to were drinking with customers. Went to nearby Lost in Asia but the gal I interviewed said no BJ. I noticed the customers that were drinking with the two cuties from After School come in so I headed back to After School but the cuties were nowhere to be found. Stopped at one other bar and in interview the gal told me she was on her period. I RTFF but had already bought the LD so I learned to interview before buying the drink in the future. I did not think finding a 'date' would be so hard.

Finally get into a place called Ice Club. The uniform is short shorts and a bra. Now I am not going to be too picky. I finally get a date from a busty 21 year old and the EWR is 1700 but she has to leave at 11. No problem as I will have jet lag and it is still early. We catch some TV and I learn this is her 2nd date having just started working this week. Round one after our shower is just fine, I am thinking she just wants do the best she can and perhaps there will be repeat dates.

We head out for dinner and return for the second round before sending her off at 11. Wow, this week is going to be great.

Cal8

Rick Rock
02-09-13, 05:53
Thailand with per capita GDP of about 10, 000 USD (IMF 2011) I think probably qualifies as 2n world while the PI same year is about $4000.There is no second world anymore. The "three worlds theory" came from Mao in China to justify his new partnership with non communist countries. It had nothing to do with development. The first world was the US, the UK and their allies. The second world was the Socialist Bloc (USSR, China and their allies). The third world was the rest of the non-aligned countries.

People have a short memory and so it's carried on colloquially, but incorrectly.

That's why economists stress the terms "developed" and "underdeveloped" or the more optimistic "developing" countries.

Tiger 888
02-09-13, 07:04
There is no second world anymore. The "three worlds theory" came from Mao in China to justify his new partnership with non communist countries. It had nothing to do with development. The first world was the US, the UK and their allies. The second world was the Socialist Bloc (USSR, China and their allies). The third world was the rest of the non-aligned countries.

People have a short memory and so it's carried on colloquially, but incorrectly.

That's why economists stress the terms "developed" and "underdeveloped" or the more optimistic "developing" countries.Very interesting. Thanks.

Pete Benetar
02-09-13, 07:28
There is no second world anymore. That's why economists stress the terms "developed" and "underdeveloped" or the more optimistic "developing" countries.Point taken. Though distilling it down to two worlds oversimiplifies wide disparities amongst the developing or undeveloped countries IMO. As a monger (and an intellecutal loafer) , I still see at least three worlds. Maybe I'll use developed, developing and underdeveloped (a euphemism for some places).

Paul Kausch
02-09-13, 08:03
Point taken. Though distilling it down to two worlds oversimiplifies wide disparities amongst the developing or undeveloped countries IMO. As a monger (and an intellecutal loafer) , I still see at least three worlds. Maybe I'll use developed, developing and underdeveloped (a euphemism for some places).Economists use four terms: developed, developing and least developed or alternatively undeveloped.

Dante2
02-09-13, 08:35
Pete just wondering how much total it cost to marry a pinay and bring her back to the states? I believe you got a non standard type (F1 instead of k1?) but what is the cheapest possible amount it could be done for?

Thanks

Rick Rock
02-09-13, 08:38
Point taken. Though distilling it down to two worlds oversimiplifies wide disparities amongst the developing or undeveloped countries IMO. As a monger (and an intellecutal loafer) , I still see at least three worlds. Maybe I'll use developed, developing and underdeveloped (a euphemism for some places).Yea it's definitely not black and white. There are so many different levels and ways of looking at things. What kind of development, where and for what. Not much benefit to highland villagers if an amazing new road is built in a valley to truck out precious gems to international buyers.

I think the whole thing really defines characterization. It's much more subtle, with varying shades of grey. There is no one size fits all.

For me though, there are countries where a modern middle class western standard of living is common and there is the rest of the world, united at least to some respect, by its utter poverty (not only economic but also cultural and intellectual).

"Developing" really is a hell of a euphemism isn't it? Especially when applied to place like Cambodia, Laos, Nepal, Central Africa Republic, Haiti, etc. And hard to believe the PI has "developed" at all. If AC is the product of "development" you got to wonder what it looked like before. Phnom Penh certainly looked a lot nicer in the movies reels from the 50's than it does now.

Perhaps they'll concoct a new label soon."Undeveloping country" for places like Greece, Spain and the US which are literally falling apart at the seams.

Chrisde99
02-09-13, 11:28
I will be arriving at Manila Airport by 840 pm. On a Sunday night I will have my ABC hotel driver picking me up. How long at that time would my drive be to Angeles and would there be time for some bar hopping the same night?

Any recommendation for a bar where I may find girls for a threesome? Is it safe to walk from ABC to the area of action in the night? Thanks in advance for the answers.

Punter 127
02-09-13, 13:01
Dear Sir,

Greetings!

We regret to inform you that AirPhil Express has ceased its operations for all CLARK flights effective February 20, 2013 due to operational requirements.

We would like to apologize for any inconvenience that this has caused you. If you need further assistance, you may call our 24hours contact centers at (02) 855-9000 for Manila/ (032) 505-1616 for Cebu or you may email us at reservations@airphilexpress.com. You may also visit any of our ticket offices for immediate help.

We hope to see you again in one of your future flights with us.No more AirPhil Express at Clark. I also post this in the Cebu thread.

YG365
02-09-13, 17:21
I will be arriving at Manila Airport by 840 pm. On a Sunday night I will have my ABC hotel driver picking me up. How long at that time would my drive be to Angeles and would there be time for some bar hopping the same night?

Any recommendation for a bar where I may find girls for a threesome? Is it safe to walk from ABC to the area of action in the night? Thanks in advance for the answers.The drive is usually about 2 hours give or take. I usually get motion sickness because of a 11 hour flight plus that long ride! Try and pick up some food and a drink to help kill time and prevent motion sickness.

You can find threesomes everywhere. Just start off by finding a girl you like. Then let her know what you're interested in. They usually do threesomes with another girl they know but some don't care. It's all about the $$$.

I believe it's safe to walk from ABC to the action but you're going to be hassled a lot by beggers and street vendors. ABC offers a free shuttle service in the area, I recommend using it as much as possible.

Sammon
02-09-13, 18:16
I will be arriving at Manila Airport by 840 pm. On a Sunday night I will have my ABC hotel driver picking me up. How long at that time would my drive be to Angeles and would there be time for some bar hopping the same night?

Any recommendation for a bar where I may find girls for a threesome? Is it safe to walk from ABC to the area of action in the night? Thanks in advance for the answers.Depending on what time you get out of the airport it will take approx 1. 5 hours to 2 hours to reach AC. It should be faster since it is Sunday night and traffic will be less. You should reach ABC by 11. 30 at the latest.

Only perimeter bars close early. Main fields avenue bars are open till 3-4 am. Plenty of time to barhop.

It is very safe walking from ABC to fields. But to perimeter bars better take trike.

Pete Benetar
02-09-13, 20:41
yea it's definitely not black and white. there are so many different levels and ways of looking at things.i agree with everything you describe. most of my life in these places i've traveled quarnantined which lol was a blessing in some ways but contributed to a laziness and old ways of thinking (e. g. my old school colloquialism. a word i spell checked thrice to make sure i was spelling it right). it really expands my thinking when seeing different peeps in one country living middle class existence, or better, and meters or km's away, others dying from impoverishment.

for dante (i haven't figured how to multi quote between authors) : pm me if you want more info but you'll have to upgrade your membership to have that option. i'll be happy to share with you all details but don't want to obfurep001e the ac mb with more of my "importing gf's" diatribe. and, fwiw, i brought an african back, not a pinay (yet) , though the mechanics, finances of navigating the uscis for f-1, k-1s etc i believe are generally applicable accross the different consulates. u can also go to good immigration blogs for lots of info (e. g. visajourney)

Dante2
02-10-13, 02:36
I wouldn't know about Macau, but suggest that Bangkok can be a better deal than AC for the value seeking "budget monger". At least IME.

In BKK you can probably get girls as hot as in AC for less money ST. Model streetwalkers, for example, are available for 30 USD.

In BKK for the same price you'ld spend in AC you can get a superior hotel room and service. More choice & vacancies also.

As a bonus BKK is better in many other ways than AC, such as medical, safety, banking, things to do, etc.

Though AC has a few advantages over BKK. Most notably LT rates for hot girls, assuming she doesn't run in AC, are cheaper and are much more the norm than in BKK.

I could be wrong, but this is just my opinion based on my experience in BKK. I've never been to AC but have read a lot about the scene there, including the hotels & seen many videos of bargirls on Fields Ave & Perimeter Road.

If I could, I'd spend all my hobbying time in BKK, though AC seems like an excellent alternate choice as far as hot bang for your buck is concerned. In both you are paying a fraction of the going rate for such quality in first world cities.What are you talking about? You think you can get cheaper hotels in Bangkok? And can find model streetwalkers for $30?

We must have a different definition for the word model.

Dante2
02-10-13, 03:28
After reading more of the thread the key post was: "How is pink pearl not banned yet?"

I already commented on his streetwalking models in Bangkok and cheaper hotels in Bangkok then AC ridiculousness, but now I see that everything he posts is complete nonsense.

So if you arent going to ban him can you at least put some sort of disclaimer after his posts like "I don't have a f'ing clue what I'm talking about"

Mr Enternational
02-10-13, 04:59
Yesterday (Saturday) I landed in Manila from Dumaguete at 1:45 pm. At 2:15pm I was in a yellow taxi to go to the Victory Liner Bus Station in Pasay. The price of the taxi was P142 + P20 for Skyway toll. I arrived at the bus station at 2:45pm and immediately got on the 3pm bus to Dau. The bus pulled out at 2:54pm. There were not many people on it. I sat all the way in the back and had all 4 seats across to myself. Manila traffic was hell as usual. We made a couple of other stops on the street and at a mall to pick other people up. The bus ended up filling up. The attendant came around to collect tickets / money. The cost was P150. When I arrived at Dau station I went outside to get a trike. The driver said P100. I told him negative. P80 (which is still highway robbery coming from Dumaguete where a trike to anywhere in the city is only P9 (P50 to & from the airport)). He agreed and off we went arriving at Pacific Breeze at 5:45pm.

Total cost P392 (US$9.64) and 3 hours and 30 minutes from getting into the taxi at the airport until arriving at the hotel in Angeles. The cost of a taxi would have been P2500 (US$61.49) and would not have been that much difference in time (not enough to justify the US$51.85 difference between the two) due to the heavy Manila traffic. The free wifi on the bus and the loads of other things I had to do on my computer helped the time go by quickly.

Mr Enternational
02-10-13, 06:58
When I got here yesterday I went down to my usual hangout, the Black Pearl. Most of the guys who hang at the bar live here in AC. I met a frat brother and told him that I can't wait to check out High Society later on. He told me that it is a good place to go and that last time he was there a chick started talking about money. He said he told her if he wanted to pay then he would just go to a bar. He goes to High Society when he DOES NOT want to pay.

So I got to the club about 1am. I immediately saw a girl I wanted to get with so I went and stood near her. From observing her I didn't think anything was going to jump off so I scanned the club to look for someone else. On the other side I saw a girl who was my type and I saw her looking back at me. I went over to that side and no sooner than I got close her friends were calling me over. They said their friend liked me. I said good because I like her too. When I told her later on in the room that I went to that side of the club just to talk to her she thought I was full of shit. She thought I only went to talk to her because her friends said something to me. We must have gotten back to the room no later than 2:30.

Fast forward to noon. I got up to take a shower and when I came out she was still sleeping. I did some shit online and did some texting back and forth to my girl in Dumaguete. I had my back turned to her and when she woke up I sarcastically said,"Damn you are still here?" She started b*tching me out because I am so rude. When she finally went to take a shower I put P1000 on the desk on top of her bracelets that she had left there. She finished showering and was taking forever to get ready. I said,"Where are you going, to a fashion show?" She b*tched me out again and asked if I wanted her to go home looking a mess.

We were walking out of the door and I pointed to the bracelets and the money. I said don't forget that. She looked at the money and said what is this for? I wasn't going to ask you for any money. I said oh well you can go buy something for the house or whatever. We went outside and were walking down the street and she just couldn't stop laughing. She said she could not believe that I gave her money because she was not expecting it (contrary to what most here believe that women in PI ALWAYS expect money or gifts). I told her that is the best time to get it, when you are not expecting it. I told her she could give it back then and I started reaching for her purse. She said no it is too late now. At that point I told her she was a really cool chick and decided to take her number and facebook. I walked towards Phillies and she split off and went to the hair salon.

Ekspat
02-10-13, 09:05
Ceftrixone is a second generation antibioticJust did a search and could not find any page with ceftriaxone described as 2nd generation.

http://www.bpac.org.nz/magazine/2011/december/cephalosporins.asp

Anyway, Gong Xi Fa Cai to everyone!

California8
02-10-13, 22:20
Is it safe to walk from ABC to the area of action in the night? Thanks in advance for the answers.As others have mentioned, ABC will drive you to and pick you up in the area. Just ask for the phone number. If you do not have a phone for use in AC, I am sure the gal would gladly call for the pick up rather than ride in a trike. I do tip the driver so if you do so, it is not totally free.

Cal8

Chop Sticks
02-10-13, 23:01
As others have mentioned, ABC will drive you to and pick you up in the area. Just ask for the phone number. If you do not have a phone for use in AC, I am sure the gal would gladly call for the pick up rather than ride in a trike. I do tip the driver so if you do so, it is not totally free.

Cal8If you are not stone old or have problems with the legs you can easily walk this, its only about 3 minutes by foot.

I had walked all the way from Fields to Tune Hotel at Perimeter in the middle of the night. Nothing happend and it took me about 30 minutes or so. I just hope they will develop street lighting one day.

Mr Enternational
02-11-13, 00:05
If you are not stone old or have problems with the legs you can easily walk this, its only about 3 minutes by foot.I was looking at the distance between ABC and Fields when I was at SM Mall the other day. As you said, it appeared to be 3-5 minutes by foot and the area was well lit for those that are afraid of the boogey man.

Luvpuss
02-11-13, 01:15
I was looking at the distance between ABC and Fields when I was at SM Mall the other day. As you said, it appeared to be 3-5 minutes by foot and the area was well lit for those that are afraid of the boogey man.I ran it fast in about 2 minutes. Boogeyman not get me.

Hutsori
02-11-13, 02:46
(I haven't figured how to multi quote between authors)Beside "Reply with Quote" you'll see the multi-quote icon. Click it and a blue check will appear. Supposing you wish to quote three posts click the multi-quote icon of the first two, confirm the blue checks appear, and then click the "Reply with Quote" icon of the last. All three posts will appear in your post field.

Pip Jaeger
02-11-13, 03:12
Beside "Reply with Quote" you'll see the multi-quote icon. Click it and a blue check will appear. Supposing you wish to quote three posts click the multi-quote icon of the first two, confirm the blue checks appear, and then click the "Reply with Quote" icon of the last. All three posts will appear in your post field.You mean like this? Thanks for the info! Been trying to figure that out myself, but was too shy to ask, LOL.


(I haven't figured how to multi quote between authors)Wow it looks like it works!

Pete Benetar
02-11-13, 04:04
You mean like this? Thanks for the info! Been trying to figure that out myself, but was too shy to ask, LOL.

Wow it looks like it works!Pip, please excuse me if I suggest we are much better off if you spend less time learning nuances of multi quoting and more time posting pics of all your lovelies in those somewhat deranged postures that drive old bastards like me crazy with envy.


Supposing you wish to quote three posts.Thanks for the lesson Hutsori. LOL. Too simple. So much for old dawgs and new tricks, but I guess Pip has been illustrating his elegant rebuttal on that old myth anyways.

Mr Enternational
02-11-13, 04:35
i met a flower girl on fields my first night here. she is 19 years old. i was not the least bit interested in her (even though she kept making innuendos about coming with me) since i couldn't wait to get to high society. we exchanged numbers and early the next afternoon she came to go with me to buy a pool stick. all of the shops were closed, and i actually found her pretty desirable, so i asked her back to the room. she said no. but still she kept texting me the whole damn day.

at 3am this morning i got a text that she meant for someone else. it said,"miss to feel you. 3 months no sex here." she quickly realized it was intended for someone else. when my dia girl left at 6:30am i texted telling her to come and i would give her sex. she said,"nooo i'm cherry girl," and later answered to something else,"because i'm vergin." i asked her how the hell can she be a cherry girl when she had previously said she had sex 3 months ago. she changed to say she is cherry girl for 3 months. she then asked for my hotel and room number, then started asking how big my dick was and telling me that she has a baby pussy and she is scared that my dick is too big. i told her that is okay she can just use her mouth and asked her if she knew how to use her tongue ring well. she said the tongue ring is new and she does not do bj.

this shit went on until 8am when i told her bye because she is playing too many games. i told her to meet me at phillies but she said no because she has been selling flowers since 13 years old and everyone on fields knows her. funny that she just met me there yesterday to help me look for a pool stick with no problem. she kept telling me to wait and she would come see me. but wait until when she could not say. so i told her that i will be leaving this afternoon to see if that could speed her up. but now her story is that she can't fuck me because i am leaving town.

i was ready to fuck something by this point, so i went on the hunt on blow row and met two girls who were opening up the bar. the one i wanted was the cashier but she said she was not allowed to go with customers. she also said that she is a cherry girl for 3 years. i blew the whistle and called a technical foul. i asked her about this cherry girl bullshit. she said a cherry girl is someone who has not had sex. i said yes, but what is the time limit? how long did you have to wait after the last time you had sex to declare yourself a cherry girl? she said it could be anytime. i asked so a girl could have had sex an hour ago, but now declares herself a cherry girl because she has not had sex in an hour. she couldn't understand what i was asking. i tried asking the question better. if we had sex right now, how long would you have to wait to say you are a cherry girl again. she repeated anytime.

in conclusion, watch yourself fellas when you encounter these so-called cherry girls, especially when it will cost you more money than a regular girl. it does not mean the girl is physically a virgin, it just means that they have not had sex in x amount of time. and that x could have been as far back as 10 minutes ago at the least.

Mr Enternational
02-11-13, 04:51
I never go inside of bars, but I will walk up and down the street all night talking to chicks. So the first night I met a girl outside of a bar. She was just my type and she wanted to come with me. I told her I would come back later after I went to High Society. Well just so happened that night at High Society I met someone and was walking back with her when we passed the girl walking with another girl and a guy. The girl I was with apparently knew all three of them so we stopped to chat. I hugged the girl I knew from the bar and told her I would come see her tomorrow.

The next day me and my DIA girl woke up at 10pm to go get food. After that I dropped her at a massage place for an hour massage. I was going to go back to the room to wait for her, but I said fuck it and went to Fields. I went by the bar and the girls outside told me that the girl I was looking for already went home. Soon after she came walking out of the bar and I told her the girls said that she had already left. She said she was inside picking up her weekly salary. I asked how much it is and she told me she gets 1000 pesos / week. I told her that I definitely wanted her to come with me the next night and if she makes 1000 pesos / week then I should only have to give her 200 pesos for 1 day.

She said that she can not come with me because she has a boyfriend. She proudly showed me his picture on her phone. I told her that he is not my homeboy so if she does not tell him then I won't. She said she is very true to him and he sends her money. She said he will be arriving on the 16th. I told her that I will be long gone by then so we don't have to worry about that. But she insisted. I asked and she said he sends her 20K pesos / month. She said it is very boring sitting in the house so she came to the bar and told them that she wanted to work, but she will not do bar fine. I tried like a dentist pulling teeth but it looks like I will not be fucking her either.

In conclusion, if you see a girl who you want then it is best to come right out and ask them how much to come with you before investing time and / or buying drinks. They will tell you right off how much to get them out or tell you that they can not go with you.

Hutsori
02-11-13, 05:48
Been trying to figure that out myself, but was too shy to ask, LOL.A whole forum devoted to pussy, BBBJ, CIM, anal, ass-to-mouth, ST / LT prices, i.e. topics not discussed in polite company, and you're too shy to ask about pointy-clicky stuff? This alternate universe is too funny.

WestCoast1
02-11-13, 16:10
in conclusion, watch yourself fellas when you encounter these so-called cherry girls, especially when it will cost you more money than a regular girl. it does not mean the girl is physically a virgin, it just means that they have not had sex in x amount of time. and that x could have been as far back as 10 minutes ago at the least.pretty sure we've already established that being a cherry girl in ac has nothing to do with 'berginity'. the mamas that i've dated have told me flat out that this is just provided as fantasy for rich idiots that want the illusion of cherry-busting, and believe they are buying it for 50k pesos. in reality the cherry girl is a girl who is sexually active in the past, but is not currently in the mood to barfine (for any number of reasons). in addition to her regular salary, she's going to make money from ld's (if she can't get her share of ld's or other income for the bar, she's terminated).


soon after she came walking out of the bar and i told her the girls said that she had already left. she said she was inside picking up her weekly salary. i asked how much it is and she told me she gets 1000 pesos / week. i told her that i definitely wanted her to come with me the next night and if she makes 1000 pesos / week then i should only have to give her 200 pesos for 1 day.this is your cherry girl. while your math is technically correct, even if she was in the mood to make some extra pesos by going to your room. 200 won't cut it. 500 might, probably 1000. her krazy kano bf sending her 20k eliminates the need for her to do any of that.


this shit went on until 8am when i told her bye because she is playing too many games. i told her to meet me at phillies but she said no because she has been selling flowers since 13 years old and everyone on fields knows her. funny that she just met me there yesterday to help me look for a pool stick with no problem. she kept telling me to wait and she would come see me. but wait until when she could not say. so i told her that i will be leaving this afternoon to see if that could speed her up. but now her story is that she can't fuck me because i am leaving town.
she said that she can not come with me because she has a boyfriend. she proudly showed me his picture on her phone. i told her that he is not my homeboy so if she does not tell him then i won't. she said she is very true to him and he sends her money. she said he will be arriving on the 16th. i told her that i will be long gone by then so we don't have to worry about that. but she insisted. i asked and she said he sends her 20k pesos / month. she said it is very boring sitting in the house so she came to the bar and told them that she wanted to work, but she will not do bar fine. i tried like a dentist pulling teeth but it looks like i will not be fucking her either.you seem to be putting a lot of effort into getting a girl to come to you room, while in the land of effortless cheap poon. why? this kind of approach (dia contacts, regular gals, street gals) is much better served outside of ac. the whole idea of ac is to get a girl to your room as effortlessly as possible, have her, turn her loose. lather / rinse / repeat.

MajorPyle
02-11-13, 17:53
After 20 years of frequent visits to Bangkok / Pattaya / Phuket I am venturing for the first time to Angeles city. I would be grateful for some tips and answers to my specific questions.

1. On arrival at Manila airport is it possible to get a sim card there? For changing money are the rates competitive at the airport or is there a big difference?

Yes you can. Sim cards are sold at the airport just as you're about to exit the terminal to the taxi waiting area. The prices are very reasonable and I highly recommend having a local number for meeting up with DIA's. Mobile coverage in PI is exceptional (compared to US) , and as long as you have minutes left on your sim, you have unlimited texting. I would also recommend you download the MagicJack free smart phone app for free calls back to the US using wifi or just purchase a MagicJack to plug into your PC. I had spotty wifi coverage in Boracay, yet family back in the US couldn't tell I wasn't next door the call quality was so good.

2. For booking hotels is a credit card required? Can the final bill be settled in cash without using credit card. If so will it need to be settled on checkin in or checking out. (prefer not to use credit card and advertise my trip back home)

Cash is an option in nearly all hotels in PI, however you must make the arrangement during check-in. They will put a hold on your card just for expenses (in the event you trash the room or empty the mini bar). This will all be deleted upon check out.

3. Is April a busy time?

I would assume so considering the weather is still fairly decent.

4. Are the hotel cabs sent from Angeles hotels to Manila airport usually on time?

Yes they are, but keep in mind the international airport in Manila is a complete clusterfuck. Could ultimately be easier to grab a cab.

5. Is ABC hotel worth the cost, are there any similar hotels available in Angeles?

Been too long since my last trip to AC to give an intelligent answer. The Nipa Hut was still in business during my last trip to AC. Anyone remember the Nipa Hut? I used to fly home full C-141's full of bright orange Navy personnel who tapped the wrong ladies in AC and ended up with Hepatitis. What a sight to see.

6. Do you get any massage places like in BKK or Pattaya?

Massage services are available in AC and MNL, but nothing to the extent that they're available in BKK. Great beach massage is available on Boracay. That island has the most beautiful beaches in the world and plenty of beautiful ladies to rub you down with their homemade coconut oils.

Thanks in advance to the responders.Response is added to the original quoted text.

Llantarnam
02-11-13, 18:16
I ran it fast in about 2 minutes. Boogeyman not get me.Were you running to somebody, or from somebody?

Rick Rock
02-11-13, 20:08
You seem to be putting a lot of effort into getting a girl to come to you room, while in the land of effortless cheap poon. Why? This kind of approach (DIA contacts, regular gals, street gals) is much better served outside of AC. The whole idea of AC is to get a girl to your room as effortlessly as possible, have her, turn her loose. Lather / rinse / repeat.100% spot on. Going to AC without going into the bars to take out girls is like going to Las Vegas and not gambling. In other words, it's pointless.

If you're looking for non-pros stay off of Fields Avenue bro, and probably avoid AC all together.

Fast Eddie 48
02-11-13, 23:41
I prefer to go to Macau, stay in 4* hotels to save a little money, eat great, and fuck Chinese women. I love Chinese sauna girls. NOT CHEAP - very expensive! I never gamble. I take Air Asia BKK to Macau. Cebu Pacific Macau to AC or MNL. Then anybody, whoever is cheaper with a good flight time, back to BKK.To Natty,

There are small casinos and Poker room in AC but no where the action you get in Macau, I play a little poker during the day to kill time and hit the bar at night, I get free comp for hotel in Macau but mongering is too expensive.

Fast Eddie 48

Maestro Boy
02-12-13, 00:27
I don't want to open a can of worms, but it begs to question how many posters here have ever gotten beat up or robbed (not including unsuspected pick-pocketing or some bar fine stealing from your room) in AC or in all of PI. Those numbers would surely tell you if there is really something to be concerned about.Very valid concerns expressed here. I have a bit of experience in the field of security, so here is my advice to all the ISG brothers out there:

1. Don't be an easy target. Most of the would be robbers will choose the easiest target. So don't be drunk and flash too much cash. Boy, talking about asking for it! LOL.

2. Try to look like you know where you are going, chin up, shoulders square, walk with purpose.

3. Situational awareness. Be aware of your surrounding and the people around you, I know it's not possible to do that some times, but try to at least have an idea of the direction you should be running to should the Sh*t hits the fan.

4. Stick to places where there's at least some people around, and good lighting.

5. Run and scream. Yes, granted that's a not very dignified, but it will save your from physical harm. Don't fight unless you have to / knows how to, but taking on armed robbers is silly (regardless of your background / training) , since you only stand to lose a couple of hundred bucks at the most.

Hope that helps someone out there.

Mr Enternational
02-12-13, 02:57
You seem to be putting a lot of effort into getting a girl to come to you room, while in the land of effortless cheap poon. Why? This kind of approach (DIA contacts, regular gals, street gals) is much better served outside of AC. The whole idea of AC is to get a girl to your room as effortlessly as possible, have her, turn her loose. Lather / rinse / repeat.For the Regular Joe I would agree with you 100%. But my case is quite different. I have been living in Pattaya for the last 3 years and lived in Rio de Janeiro before I moved there. So my M. O. is a bit different from the guy who is on holiday and is not able to get much pussy until he gets here and is able to go wild. I'm wild everyday, but it's not in the go into a bar, get a drink, see girls dancing, pick one kind of manner. I really only come to AC for a couple of days after being in a different parts of the Philippines in order to get my Tiger Air flight back to Bangkok, which leaves in a couple of hours.

Golfinho
02-12-13, 14:57
For the Regular Joe I would agree with you 100%. But my case is quite different. I have been living in Pattaya for the last 3 years <snip> Philippines in order to get my Tiger Air flight back to Bangkok.A regular Pattaya King, in other words. How 'about those cheap Tiger Air flights? Worth going out of your way to save a few pesos, isn't they. Now, everyone can fly enternationally.

Fast Eddie 48
02-12-13, 23:07
I go for the shows. Skip the hookers and bring a date for a few nights. Hotels aren't free, but $50 / night, which is what I pay in phils. I don't gamble. Its a lot closer than Macau.Westcoast,

I think AC is the best of both world where else in the world that you can play poker all day win some peso and go across the st at the Blow row and get a BBBJ for 700 peso, you can do that in Macau too but it will cost you alot more.

Fast Eddie 48

Golfinho
02-13-13, 03:18
Macau is a million times better in all avenues for sure. Probably why Vegas has been slumping for years while Macau is booming.You like sit around table in cloud of smoke playing mai gai goo pan? With Chinese so glad to have you amongst them. Or, the girls at the Lisboa racetrack falling over themselves to get into your pants. And you prefer to stay in the new parts of town where you can enjoy the construction site. It's booming with all that as much as you can stand. Chinese building this place up to benefit their domestic economy, renovated the old Portuguese buildings in support of their domestic travel market. And just for you.

FruitNinja
02-13-13, 04:25
Interesting report.

I go to Vegas four times a year. I stay at the Wynn, Bellagio or Ceasers in Vegas. High end hotels. The casino hookers run $300-500 or more for 30 to 60 mins, FS. That is what I have been quoted and paid.

The quality can be very good. Not street workers but classy dressers who look hot.

But, there are many opportunites in Vegas. There are SW's near Fremont St and other areas, and many MP's. They have a ChinaTown loaded with MP's. I found found a few decent places, but most ask $100 for a HJ.I'm with ya on this. I have fun wherever I go. It's a matter of deciding to have fun or not. My last trip to Vegas was the end of a holiday trip. Hot little 20 something Chinese hottie. Her birthday was on the 24th so we did Christmas in San Francisco. Drove PCH down to LA, stayed in Santa Monica and then flew to Vegas for New Years Eve. Had the most amazing dinner overlooking the fountain at the Bellagio from the restaurant in the Paris. That dinner cost me more than a round trip biz class to Asia. Full jazz band the whole night. When the clock struck we were treated to two fireworks displays. One at MGM and the other at Caesars.

I suppose that Vegas in a $30 room at the Stratosphere was a little different. The strip was shoulder to shoulder. Nice to look at from above.

My little Chinese hottie was as usual: Best piece of ass I've ever had. I miss her, not the drama. I don't do P4P in Vegas as I usually bring my own.

Anyone telling you there isn't good food I Vegas is just wrong or doesn't have the money to pay for a good food. Plenty of Michelin rated establishments.

No shows in Vegas? You're reference is Blue Man Group? Riiiiight. No entertainment in Vegas.

Yeah, If my budget was $50 a day Vegas would probably suck. Singular thinking. Some guys just crack me up.

Chrisde99
02-13-13, 13:09
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.

Mbsl65
02-13-13, 18:04
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.I never had problem with them. It is a very professional run hotel

Irony Monger
02-13-13, 18:23
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.When I booked at the Savannah and Pacific Breeze a couple years ago they did not require a credit card, though the Savannah required me to pay in advance when I arrived.

One trick I have used when hotels and such when they want a credit card and I don't trust them is to purchase a refillable debit card (visa or mc) then put on just enough to cover the deposit. You can then give them that number pretty much worry free.

Rick Rock
02-13-13, 19:20
Be careful if that's an issue. I booked ABC online through a travel site, when I checked in they put a pretty hefty hold on my card while I stayed for 2 weeks. Three weeks after checking out they hadn't released the hold. Called them, they said it was the card issuer. Called them and they said it wasn't. Called ABC again, talked to a manager who said he'd look into it. Two days later the money was released. More hassle than I would want.

PinkPearl
02-14-13, 02:40
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.
Be careful if that's an issue. I booked ABC online through a travel site, when I checked in they put a pretty hefty hold on my card while I stayed for 2 weeks. Three weeks after checking out they hadn't released the hold. Called them, they said it was the card issuer. Called them and they said it wasn't. Called ABC again, talked to a manager who said he'd look into it. Two days later the money was released. More hassle than I would want.What's wrong with AC? Don't they want business? I've never had to deal with any of this crap in Thailand.


When I booked at the Savannah and Pacific Breeze a couple years ago they did not require a credit card, though the Savannah required me to pay in advance when I arrived.

One trick I have used when hotels and such when they want a credit card and I don't trust them is to purchase a refillable debit card (visa or mc) then put on just enough to cover the deposit. You can then give them that number pretty much worry free.Is that like a Pre Paid Credit Card?

Pay in advance? What if the hotel sucks? You move to another hotel and lose your "advance" payment?

I'd pay only one day in advance, if the place seems ok after checking out the room.

Ekspat
02-14-13, 08:35
I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines.You can use it, no big deal. I've used different CCs countless times all over PI, never any problem. Especially with ABC everything should be alright.

Enjoy!

YG365
02-14-13, 09:16
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.Most hotels all around the world will ask for a credit card to guarantee booking. You usually have to pay first and as you get closer to your set date, it gets harder to cancel your booking to get a refund. Then when you check in, you usually have to put down a deposit for your room in case of damages and extra charges. To guarantee this, they'll put a hold on your card for a certain amount. If you don't accept these terms, just don't book yourself with the hotel. Most legit hotels will follow these guidelines so be warned.

YG

Pagal Chacha
02-14-13, 10:46
I will be in AC on above dates anyone intrested in barhoping and hunting with me PM me.

Hutsori
02-14-13, 10:55
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.
You can use it, no big deal. I've used different CCs countless times all over PI, never any problem. Especially with ABC everything should be alright.

Enjoy!Use your CC with a legit hotel like ABC to make your reservation. If you intend to use the card in the Philippines notify your bank before you leave; even if you don't plan to use it may want to still notify the bank as a cover-your-ass measure in case of a mishap affecting you, such as a medical emergency. Places in the PI that don't accept foreign-issued cards will often have a notice posted beside or above the POS terminal.

Mc Don
02-14-13, 14:19
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.I have used it many times with ABC and never had a problem. Once they get to know you they won't ask for the CC to guarantee the booking. If this is not your first time and you have kept emails from before just send replay with the old emails attached and tell them that last time you didn't provide CC and you will provide it upon check in. It should be fine

Irony Monger
02-14-13, 15:44
Pay in advance? What if the hotel sucks? You move to another hotel and lose your "advance" payment? I'd pay only one day in advance, if the place seems ok after checking out the room.Sorry, I should have stated that one day advance payment was what they required.

Sammon
02-14-13, 16:35
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.Never give credit card details to any hotel even when checking in. Just put cash deposit for incidentals. Long time ago I used credit card and there were many scam claims and my card issuer froze the card.

Only time I use the card is if I book from asiatravel, Agoda etc.

To book AC hotels I e mail them only. When they ask me to put cc details I decline. Then they say I need to reconfirm 2 days before I come in via e mail. That suits me fine.

In Phi it is safer to use cash for everything.

Mc Don
02-14-13, 16:40
I landed in AC after midnight, early Wednesday morning. My plan was simple, I was going to spend as much time with my ex bar girls turned student before leaving for Manila on Friday. While she is at school I wanted to visit some perimeter bars but she was going to be my main dish over the next couple of weeks. About her – Lets call her Miss J, I have known her since she was cherry girl working in one of the AC bars. We have been friends and fuck buddies now for about 2 yrs. About 6-7 months ago a british guy residing in HK took interest in her and since he has been sponsoring her studies and has been sending her a ridicules amount of money each month. Some people just don't get how cheap is to live in AC few blocks away from Fields. Anyway the guy comes every weekend and spends few hours with her then he just goes on barhopping so I am guessing its only a matter of time before he loses interest in her so in a way power to her asking and getting the money she is, if he sticks around for even one semester which he almost has she will have enough in her account to pay her way to school for the next 3 semesters and finish, providing all goes well.

Anyway I booked A-7 Square hotel which is opposite Fields Avenue Suits, across the street from the Mc Donald's. This was close to her school and was OK with another girl, ABC employee that I wanted to fuck. At the airport I got asked for 400peso for a private car, then 300 for the mini van only to settle for 100p for the mini van on the end. There was 4 of us in the van so I guess 100p is fair. Check in was quick, room was OK but can get noisy. For around 2000p a night you can find better accommodation in AC but like I said the main purpose was to be close to her school. After leaving my baggage in the room I went down to fields and got a SMART simcard and called my Miss J. Took few rings before she replayed, she was sleeping. Time for one welcome drink at Love and Music before she gets to Fields. Love and Music was kind of dead, not many customers, few faces I knew so I had a chat with the owner and one girl that also works at the ABC pool bar during the day. About 10 min latter I got a txt from Ms J that she is in front of Mc Donalds and if I could meet her there. I left quickly and a minute latter I was holding her in my hands. We crossed the road, bought some water and drinks from one of the small shops there and headed for the hotel. She had a bag with her clothes so I was getting a bonner on the way just thinking that tomorrow she will be in uniform LOL.

In the room clothes came off quick and we were locked in a 69position in seconds. I could not control my self long, so after few min I moved her on top of me and she started riding me hard. We changed few positions before I ended cuming on her belly. We had a drink watched some tv and then went for round 2 and 3 before falling to sleep. Around 6. 30 she wake me up with a blow job. She remembered what I like, good girl. To my disappointment it was her sports day at school so just a tshirt and tracksuits. Anyway she tells me that she will be back at 9. 30 as she has a 2 hour break then. I kiss her goodbye then go back to sleep. 9.40 she is on my door, with McDo for breakfast. She laughs about the guard at the hotel hustling her about her age even though she is 21. We finish breakfast then of to bed once again this time only her tracksuit and bra are off as I do her from behind with her school tshirt on. We change few poses again and on the end we end up on the little balcony then in the shower. She the dresses up but she has few more minutes to spare so once again she gives me a quick BJ and I manage to cum little bit in her mouth. 11. 20 she leaves. She has classes until 2. 30 but then she wants to go home before coming back to see me latter. We agree to meet at 5pm which works for me too. I let her go to school, have a drink in the room then I am off to BJ row.

As I leave the hotel I txted the ABC girl to let her know I am in town. I looked around few bars at BJ row but nothing I found nothing too exciting. I ended up having a drink in one the bars and bought a LD drink to one of the doable girls thinking maybe a quick ST is not such a bad idea anyway. As I was about the BF her I got a txt from the ABC girl saying its her day off and her boyfriend is at work so she would like to see me now. I paid for the drinks and I went back to the hotel. 20 minutes latter she was in the lobby and off we went to the room. This one is a tall girl with nice ass. Last few visits we would always fuck quick either inside my room or get another room far from fields. She gets paranoid when we do it at her work but as long as its quick she is ok with it. I guess she likes the excitement and to be treated a bit rough and like a. She get undressed quickly and we get into doggy first with my thumb deep in her ass. After few minutes she asks for my dick in her ass as she starts playing with her clit. She is loving it, I keep asking her why not do this with her BF but I think she is shy or maybe he will ask too many questions. She tells me she loves anal but I am the only one she has done it with. I don't really care but she is tight and I bust my load inside her ass (I was wearing condom). Little rest, we had few drinks I got few phone numbers of her from some other girls at the hotel and ex staff then we went for round two. This time BJ first then I moved her on the edge of the bed so I can fuck her mouth. Good 10-15 minutes of hard mouth fucking. She gagged few times but never complained. I flipped her over and went hard for few a while before asking her to stand up lean against the door and finish her standing. She left around 2. 30.

I took a shower and then trike to Perimeter. My favourite bar there is After School. Yes the uniforms. There is a girl there that last few trips I never got to bar fine and she has been on my mind ever since I got on the plane. I buy my mamasan a drink there, she loads me up with SMART load, I always run out there for some reason LOL, then she tells me that the girl I want is no longer there. Another Brit (whats going on guys, first the Ashes then all the cuties too?) paid her permanent barfine then sent her back to Davao. Apparently she is getting married in April. Good luck to them both. I finish my drink then I start walking towards Fields. I wanted to do few of the expat bars that I never bother with too much. I ended up in That Silly Hat bar. Cheap drinks. 1200p LT barfine. Girls are average but I found one that was great. I BF her and then we went back to the hotel. To be honest I was so tired at this point I only wanted a ST plus I had my girl visiting. She gave me a great BJ that went for about 30-40 min then a good ride. I gave her trike money and off she went.

I slept for a while before Miss J called telling me is on her way. It was almost 8pm when she finally made it to my place. Normally she is on time but she has her cousins visiting so she wanted to spend time with them. I didn't care too much I had fun myself anyway. We went for dinner in the Korean restorant at the Galaxy hotel, food is ok, if you like Korean. After that we barhopped around Fields. Cambodia, Club Asia (for those that want spinners with boobs, check CLUB ASIA) and Angel Witch were the highlights. As I mentioned in another earlier post, for the fans of TRIKE PATROL visit Camelot. One great fucklet works there. We headed back to the hotel around 11pm. Quick couple of rounds then sleep.

Day one over, so far so good.

Luvpuss
02-15-13, 03:18
I landed in AC after midnight, early Wednesday morning. My plan was simple, I was going to spend as much time with my ex bar girls turned student before leaving for Manila on Friday. While she is at school I wanted to visit some perimeter bars but she was going to be my main dish over the next couple of weeks. About her – Lets call her Miss J, I have known her since she was cherry girl working in one of the AC bars. We have been friends and fuck buddies now for about 2 yrs. About 6-7 months ago a british guy residing in HK took interest in her and since he has been sponsoring her studies and has been sending her a ridicules amount of money each month. Some people just don't get how cheap is to live in AC few blocks away from Fields. Anyway the guy comes every weekend and spends few hours with her then he just goes on barhopping so I am guessing its only a matter of time before he loses interest in her so in a way power to her asking and getting the money she is, if he sticks around for even one semester which he almost has she will have enough in her account to pay her way to school for the next 3 semesters and finish, providing all goes well.

Anyway I booked A-7 Square hotel which is opposite Fields Avenue Suits, across the street from the Mc Donald's. This was close to her school and was OK with another girl, ABC employee that I wanted to fuck. At the airport I got asked for 400peso for a private car, then 300 for the mini van only to settle for 100p for the mini van on the end. There was 4 of us in the van so I guess 100p is fair. Check in was quick, room was OK but can get noisy. For around 2000p a night you can find better accommodation in AC but like I said the main purpose was to be close to her school. After leaving my baggage in the room I went down to fields and got a SMART simcard and called my Miss J. Took few rings before she replayed, she was sleeping. Time for one welcome drink at Love and Music before she gets to Fields. Love and Music was kind of dead, not many customers, few faces I knew so I had a chat with the owner and one girl that also works at the ABC pool bar during the day. About 10 min latter I got a txt from Ms J that she is in front of Mc Donalds and if I could meet her there. I left quickly and a minute latter I was holding her in my hands. We crossed the road, bought some water and drinks from one of the small shops there and headed for the hotel. She had a bag with her clothes so I was getting a bonner on the way just thinking that tomorrow she will be in uniform LOL.

In the room clothes came off quick and we were locked in a 69position in seconds. I could not control my self long, so after few min I moved her on top of me and she started riding me hard. We changed few positions before I ended cuming on her belly. We had a drink watched some tv and then went for round 2 and 3 before falling to sleep. Around 6. 30 she wake me up with a blow job. She remembered what I like, good girl. To my disappointment it was her sports day at school so just a tshirt and tracksuits. Anyway she tells me that she will be back at 9. 30 as she has a 2 hour break then. I kiss her goodbye then go back to sleep. 9.40 she is on my door, with McDo for breakfast. She laughs about the guard at the hotel hustling her about her age even though she is 21. We finish breakfast then of to bed once again this time only her tracksuit and bra are off as I do her from behind with her school tshirt on. We change few poses again and on the end we end up on the little balcony then in the shower. She the dresses up but she has few more minutes to spare so once again she gives me a quick BJ and I manage to cum little bit in her mouth. 11. 20 she leaves. She has classes until 2. 30 but then she wants to go home before coming back to see me latter. We agree to meet at 5pm which works for me too. I let her go to school, have a drink in the room then I am off to BJ row.

As I leave the hotel I txted the ABC girl to let her know I am in town. I looked around few bars at BJ row but nothing I found nothing too exciting. I ended up having a drink in one the bars and bought a LD drink to one of the doable girls thinking maybe a quick ST is not such a bad idea anyway. As I was about the BF her I got a txt from the ABC girl saying its her day off and her boyfriend is at work so she would like to see me now. I paid for the drinks and I went back to the hotel. 20 minutes latter she was in the lobby and off we went to the room. This one is a tall girl with nice ass. Last few visits we would always fuck quick either inside my room or get another room far from fields. She gets paranoid when we do it at her work but as long as its quick she is ok with it. I guess she likes the excitement and to be treated a bit rough and like a. She get undressed quickly and we get into doggy first with my thumb deep in her ass. After few minutes she asks for my dick in her ass as she starts playing with her clit. She is loving it, I keep asking her why not do this with her BF but I think she is shy or maybe he will ask too many questions. She tells me she loves anal but I am the only one she has done it with. I don't really care but she is tight and I bust my load inside her ass (I was wearing condom). Little rest, we had few drinks I got few phone numbers of her from some other girls at the hotel and ex staff then we went for round two. This time BJ first then I moved her on the edge of the bed so I can fuck her mouth. Good 10-15 minutes of hard mouth fucking. She gagged few times but never complained. I flipped her over and went hard for few a while before asking her to stand up lean against the door and finish her standing. She left around 2. 30.

I took a shower and then trike to Perimeter. My favourite bar there is After School. Yes the uniforms. There is a girl there that last few trips I never got to bar fine and she has been on my mind ever since I got on the plane. I buy my mamasan a drink there, she loads me up with SMART load, I always run out there for some reason LOL, then she tells me that the girl I want is no longer there. Another Brit (whats going on guys, first the Ashes then all the cuties too?) paid her permanent barfine then sent her back to Davao. Apparently she is getting married in April. Good luck to them both. I finish my drink then I start walking towards Fields. I wanted to do few of the expat bars that I never bother with too much. I ended up in That Silly Hat bar. Cheap drinks. 1200p LT barfine. Girls are average but I found one that was great. I BF her and then we went back to the hotel. To be honest I was so tired at this point I only wanted a ST plus I had my girl visiting. She gave me a great BJ that went for about 30-40 min then a good ride. I gave her trike money and off she went.

I slept for a while before Miss J called telling me is on her way. It was almost 8pm when she finally made it to my place. Normally she is on time but she has her cousins visiting so she wanted to spend time with them. I didn't care too much I had fun myself anyway. We went for dinner in the Korean restorant at the Galaxy hotel, food is ok, if you like Korean. After that we barhopped around Fields. Cambodia, Club Asia (for those that want spinners with boobs, check CLUB ASIA) and Angel Witch were the highlights. As I mentioned in another earlier post, for the fans of TRIKE PATROL visit Camelot. One great fucklet works there. We headed back to the hotel around 11pm. Quick couple of rounds then sleep.

Day one over, so far so good.You forgot to tell us when you took a shit.

Tally Wacker
02-15-13, 05:24
Dah! You forgot to snip the quote plus post in the chitchat photo thread instead the photo area. Ok had to say that hmmm.


You forgot to tell us when you took a shit.

PinkPearl
02-15-13, 09:20
You forgot to tell us when you took a shit.Did you ever mention when you took yours, after your inability to do so, as discussed in many posts in the Thailand section.

Or are you still waiting on that.

Redman69
02-15-13, 12:27
Great report. And you got to love luvpuss joke. Good read bro. You have to be younger to do all that is one day. I am 57, Get back at it.

TjMaster
02-15-13, 14:23
You forgot to. tell us when you took a shit.Loved your post

Luvpuss
02-15-13, 17:01
Dah! You forgot to snip the quote plus post in the chitchat photo thread instead the photo area. Ok had to say that hmmm.Thanks. I was wondering how to do that.

Bundanko
02-16-13, 02:07
Most hotels all around the world will ask for a credit card to guarantee booking. You usually have to pay first and as you get closer to your set date, it gets harder to cancel your booking to get a refund. Then when you check in, you usually have to put down a deposit for your room in case of damages and extra charges. To guarantee this, they'll put a hold on your card for a certain amount. If you don't accept these terms, just don't book yourself with the hotel. Most legit hotels will follow these guidelines so be warned.

YGYou just book through Agoda, and you will have less hassle. They still need to see your credit card for deposit on other things you may consume in the room upon checking in.

Rick Rock
02-16-13, 07:44
You just book through Agoda, and you will have less hassle. They still need to see your credit card for deposit on other things you may consume in the room upon checking in.I prefer Hotels. Com After 10 bookings (no matter where or when) you'll get credit for a free night. Use Ebates when booking and you'll get a further 3% refund. Use a credit card with cash back and you'll get more.

Of course none of this will prevent you from having to make a deposit on check in. Any decent hotel usually requires in. In Angeles City that means places like ABC and Lewis Grand. Interesting to note when Lewis Grand tried to run my card for a hold my issuer suspected fraud and shut down my card. Had to wait for me to contact them by phone to let them know it was legit. Turns out the LG staff had no idea it didn't go through because they use an old kind of card machine, so they never had any of my money anyway.

Chris Long
02-16-13, 18:07
Will be back in a couple weeks, will anyone else be there March 9 - 15.

PS: wanted to post a link to Trike Patrol but would let me do it. The first scene Mich - LBFM Grab 'n Bag, was filmed in my room at Loretta-Apartel. (Cool)(not by me unfortunately)

Chris

Bob Bowie
02-16-13, 18:46
I made a booking with the ABC hotel. They have confirmed my booking but are asking for credit card details to guarantee it. I am not very keen to use my credit card in the Philippines. Are there hotels in Angeles which would keep your room without credit card guarantee. I would appreciate any advice from guys who have booked hotels without using credit cards.My last trip I used agoda most of the time with my PayPal account. I don't remember having to use a credit card at any of the hotels. I felt much safer not having to hand over my credit card each time. *

Nvslim
02-17-13, 13:00
You forgot to tell us when you took a shit.You posted 5 screens of a quote just to add a snarky line of comment. Please consider editing the quotes. If some one wants to read the whole quote they can click [View Original Post]. Some people read the forums on smart phones and tablets and scrolling through a long quote is a pain.

Slim

Llantarnam
02-17-13, 13:35
My last trip I used agoda most of the time with my PayPal account. I don't remember having to use a credit card at any of the hotels. I felt much safer not having to hand over my credit card each time. *I don't understand the issue with credit cards.

The great thing with CC (as opposed to debit cards) is that you see the bill before you pay it. I had an issue with a hotel in Australia, who charged £100 to my credit card about 3 months after I had stayed there. I told the card company there was no basis for the charge and that I wasn't paying it. They refunded it (eventually).

I accept that you don't want to use the CC at a dodgy looking back street shop, but I've got 4 niughts booked at ABC in March, and had no concerns using the CC to make the booking. You also have the security when using the CC that the issuer is jointly liable if you don't get what you paid for.

WestCoast1
02-17-13, 17:27
My last trip I used agoda most of the time with my PayPal account. I don't remember having to use a credit card at any of the hotels. I felt much safer not having to hand over my credit card each time. *
I don't understand the issue with credit cards.

The great thing with CC (as opposed to debit cards) is that you see the bill before you pay it. I had an issue with a hotel in Australia, who charged £100 to my credit card about 3 months after I had stayed there. I told the card company there was no basis for the charge and that I wasn't paying it. They refunded it (eventually).I'm with Bob. Its not that I feel that my CC info is not safe with them (maybe it is, maybe its not). Its because once you give them the number and they run it for the total of, say, Llant's 4 nights at ABC, you may (or may not) have extreme trouble getting them to refund back to the card should you decide not to stay there. Try this trick anywhere in phils: you either give the hotel your CC info before you come, or you give them the CC for incidentals when you check in. They will have to enter an amount that is at least the total of your 4-night stay (a 'hold' on your card). So the next morning you decide you must depart after only one night (or a partial stay). Upon checkout you tell them to only charge your card for the one night that you actually stayed. They may look at you like you're from another planet, and explain to you that you paid in advance for 4 nights, and refuse to refund your CC (in fact, they might tell you any of several excuses: we can't, we don't know how, only the owner can authorize that, etc). If using a CC, its better to pay daily for tonight's stay.

Surprisingly I have no such problems in the western world: the hotel will simply credit my account for any unused nights. In the last decade I've run into this problem in AC, Cebu, and multiple mindanao hotels. Each time I had to open a 'dispute' with my CC issuer, and each time the thing was resolved in my favor. I've learned to pay daily if using a CC.

Mr Enternational
02-17-13, 17:47
I'm with Bob. Its not that I feel that my CC info is not safe with them (maybe it is, maybe its not). Its because once you give them the number and they run it for the total of, say, Llant's 4 nights at ABC, you may (or may not) have extreme trouble getting them to refund back to the card should you decide not to stay there. Try this trick anywhere in phils: you either give the hotel your CC info before you come, or you give them the CC for incidentals when you check in.What I usually do if someone wants a card and I don't want to give it to them is tell them I don't have a card and that I will pay cash when I get there. Does ABC give discounts for cash payments such as some other hotels do in AC?

PinkPearl
02-18-13, 06:53
It sounds like the Philippines is quite a backwards 3rd world country & cash is the most hassle free way to go, as a number of members have stated. IOW by paying your hotel one day at a time in advance. I'd use CCs only for emergencies or to book airline tickets.

OTOH in Thailand my experience with hotels is quite simple. Email to make a reservation & recieve confirmation. Then after every 2 weeks or so pay the bill with your CC. No need to give CC details in advance of staying there or making payment. No need to pay anything upfront in cash. No need to put a hold on your CC. No hassles or fuckups of any kind. Just easy peasy.

Aibolit
02-19-13, 01:56
Greetings to all! I posted the below on BKK board and got interesting opinions. I would love to hear the opinions from this board as well.

I will be in BKK for about 2 wks. I have 4 options:

1. Enjoy BKK in depth

2. Have an incursion to Pattaya.

3. Have an incursion to Angeles City in Philipines.

4 Have an incursion to Manila.

I'm not ugly, not on a budget and typically prefer the model-type young beautiful girls of 18-23 whyear old I also prefer variety (I. E. I won't leave BKK to find same quality / experience in AC, Manila or Pattaya).

Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC, Manila or Pattaya that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for another trip and that Phillipinas speak English (as opposed to Thai ladies) and provide better GFE.

I wonder what the respectable members of this forum think on the subject. Many thanks in advance for your opinions!

A

Yujin
02-19-13, 02:39
Greetings to all! I posted the below on BKK board and got interesting opinions. I would love to hear the opinions from this board as well.

I will be in BKK for about 2 wks. I have 4 options:

1. Enjoy BKK in depth

2. Have an incursion to Pattaya.

3. Have an incursion to Angeles City in Philipines.

4 Have an incursion to Manila.

I'm not ugly, not on a budget and typically prefer the model-type young beautiful girls of 18-23 whyear old I also prefer variety (I. E. I won't leave BKK to find same quality / experience in AC, Manila or Pattaya).

Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC, Manila or Pattaya that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for another trip and that Phillipinas speak English (as opposed to Thai ladies) and provide better GFE.

I wonder what the respectable members of this forum think on the subject. Many thanks in advance for your opinions!

AIf you've never been to Thailand, I'd stay in Thailand and get to know the place. I'd stay in Bangkok for several days, then go to Pattaya for at least three days, then go to Phuket for at least three days, then return to Bangkok to end my two weeks. A trip to the Philippines deserves its own trip. Your preference for "model-type young beautiful girls of 18-23" is the wild card that guys will argue about forever.

RCA Knight
02-19-13, 02:49
Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC, Manila or Pattaya that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for another trip and that Phillipinas speak English (as opposed to Thai ladies) and provide better GFE.

AWell, you got everything correct already. Maybe just go and experience yourself the difference.

Luvpuss
02-19-13, 03:21
Well, you got everything correct already. Maybe just go and experience yourself the difference.Good advice for him.

Anthony2012
02-20-13, 02:42
In AC for a few days. What do you guys recommend for day time fun? Massage or BJ Bar?

Sky Ryder
02-20-13, 13:12
In AC for a few days. What do you guys recommend for day time fun? Massage or BJ Bar?I like to pop one at one of the blow row bars or go up Perimeter Road. For a nice ST romp, then get a massage to get ready for the evenings festivities! Just saying, why choose when you can do both!

Chrisde99
02-22-13, 11:35
Thanks to all those who have produced useful info for my first Angeles trip.

A few moe questions:

1. Are there barber shop in Angels like in BKK where you can get manicure / pedicure / facial / foot massage etc?

2. I seem to have noticed some mongers getting a massage organised in their hotel rooms. Is there any particular service which is recommended and what are the costs like?

3. Which are the current recommendations in Santos blow row and are most of the girls in these bars cherry girls or do they provide full service?

I plan to visit in April first week and hope to meet some of the Mongers there at that time. A comparison of BKK? Pattaya / Angeles will be reported on after my visit.

Chris

PinkPearl
02-22-13, 21:57
Pattaya is infinitely safer than AC, for locals and visitors. Without even a shadow of a doubt.Just a gut feeling because you see scary guns in AC that scare you? Or have you actually researched this with solid reasons to back up your statement? If you are so worried about robbery in AC, maybe duct tape your ATM card to a nipple inside your shirt & keep your cash in your undies next to Mr Johnson. That's what I'm going to do.

Sammon
02-23-13, 03:36
Thanks to all those who have produced useful info for my first Angeles trip.

A few moe questions:

1. Are there barber shop in Angels like in BKK where you can get manicure / pedicure / facial / foot massage etc?

2. I seem to have noticed some mongers getting a massage organised in their hotel rooms. Is there any particular service which is recommended and what are the costs like?

3. Which are the current recommendations in Santos blow row and are most of the girls in these bars cherry girls or do they provide full service?

I plan to visit in April first week and hope to meet some of the Mongers there at that time. A comparison of BKK? Pattaya / Angeles will be reported on after my visit.

Chris1. There are many barber shops. Hair cut, coloring, manicure, pedicure, foot spa etc are performed. Cheaper than Thailand.

2. There are many massage plces. It is legit massage in their place. If you need in room massage it can be arranged. In room massage can include sex by negotiation.

300 pesos for massage in their shop any in room is around 700 pesos. If you want sex negotiate with the girl.

3. There are many bars in santos st. Sometimes there are cherry girls but will do BBBJ. Best thing is to go and check out and see which girl you fancy.

Usually there is no need for a wingman in AC.

WhatsUrName
02-23-13, 12:30
Guys,

I've just returned from a 9 day trip to the Philippines. I stayed 4 nights in Angeles City and the rest in Manila (Ermita). This was my second visit to AC.

In AC, I spent most of my time doing the following:

A) Hanging out in my fancy schmancy hotel room at ABC Hotel with a girl. They have 5, Count 'them 5, Porn channels. I guess the rooms are sound proof to some degree because I was cranking Metallica and 50 Cent and no one complained. Please see my hotel review in the Angeles City Hotels thread.

B) Hanging out at Phillies at the corner of Raymond and Fields. I like to hang out and shoot the shit with other westerners. Love to watch people walking up and down Fields at all hours of the night. My last night there, they had this really, really good band that played till about 3 AM. Took 2 Freelancers from Phillies. 700 pesos each.

C) Hanging out in a Gogo Bar. I took the most girls from AngelWitch and Ponytails. I stayed out of the larger showbars.

D) I did take a little cutie pie from one of the Short time bars on Raymond St. My recollection is that BF was 700 pesos, and SML was 65 I think. A bargain. The girls there not stunners, but "cuties".

E) Went to High Society one night. High Society is a disco that is noted as a FL locale. There was a 100 peso cover charge. It was a much younger crowd there.

Socker
02-23-13, 23:21
Just got back from 2 weeks in PI. Spent 7 days in AC and my favorite bars this trip were Roadies, Genesis, Dollhouse. I thought the talent level overall in AC was similar to past trips, mostly 6's w / a few 7's that would only go w / Ks. The 8's and 9's are not in AC imo. The best AC has to offer the monger is not close to the best Cebu has. The only problem is the Cebu hotties won't go w / too many westerners.

Back to AC, I enjoyed the ladies at Roadies the most. Every trip I find a new bar has the best talent, this time it was Roadies. Some real nice stuff in there. Dollhouse of course has some pretty ladies but most of the elite girls will only drink w / you. I also hooked up w / a few on their days off at a reduced price for pool and bed fun, very satisfying.

Stayed at Sunset Gardens the first 4 days and then at the Pacific Breeze the last 4 days. I enjoyed PB 10 times more because of the staff and convenience of being in the middle of the Fields St. Action. I enjoyed a couple of BJ bars for the first time and had nice fresh action there in the late morning, you pick, pay, and whip it out. Now you're ready for a new day that is more likely to be excellent. I also liked the restaurant, Cuba Cuba for its grilled meats and seafood. Sit at the bar facing the street and watch the street kids play w / each other and beg when a sucker comes along. I enjoyed watching the bigger girls (2) play fighting the smaller boys and winning (for now) , their rough housing was almost real. After my dinner at Cuba Cuba I gave the 2 girls (maybe 8 and 12 yrs. Old) 50p each. They didn't ask, I just went up to them and gave it to them. I liked that restaurant and the action on the street. Here's a pic of my Roadie favorites.

Rick Rock
02-24-13, 10:23
Just a gut feeling because you see scary guns in AC that scare you? Or have you actually researched this with solid reasons to back up your statement? If you are so worried about robbery in AC, maybe duct tape your ATM card to a nipple inside your shirt & keep your cash in your undies next to Mr Johnson. That's what I'm going to do.Been to each several times.

White westerners can and do walk around all parts of Pattaya at all times of the day and night without a problem. It's also a family tourist destination with temples, beaches, several markets and shopping malls, street vendors that serve foreigners and locals alike, etc.

Angeles City is a smokey dirty shithole with raw sewage flowing in the streets, aggressive child and elderly beggars by the dozen, and drugged up teenagers who apparently like to rob unsuspecting middle age white guys who don't know how to carry their shit (according to posts in this thread). Two sub-par malls (where patrons get patted down and searched on the way in. Never saw that in Thailand, wonder why?) , no culture, terrible food, no real recreation outside of fucking.

Couldn't care less about the guns. I'm from America guy. Plenty of Thai people (with money) carry guns too anyway.

I've never had a problem in either place, and I actually like Filipina girls more, but the two aren't even comparable in terms of safety.

Not to mention that Thailand is much richer than the Philippines.

Sure it has 1/4 the homicide rate of Washington DC, but let's not kid ourselves about the condition of AC. It is what it is.

Rick Rock
02-24-13, 10:27
It sounds like the Philippines is quite a backwards 3rd world countryYou got it.

Why else would these girls fuck disgusting elderly men for as little as $7?

Part of the reason price is going up in Thailand is that the main mongering spots (Bangkok and Pattaya) are becoming more and more modern. Places where you can do things like pay for a meal with a credit card (welcome to the 1980's!).

The Philippines is similar to say one of the Central American banana republics. Thailand is similar to say South Korea in the late 1970's.

WestCoast1
02-24-13, 17:33
I also liked the restaurant, Cuba Cuba for its grilled meats and seafood. Sit at the bar facing the street and watch the street kids play w / each other and beg when a sucker comes along. I enjoyed watching the bigger girls (2) play fighting the smaller boys and winning (for now) , their rough housing was almost real. After my dinner at Cuba Cuba I gave the 2 girls (maybe 8 and 12 yrs. Old) 50p each. They didn't ask, I just went up to them and gave it to them. I liked that restaurant and the action on the street. Here's a pic of my Roadie favorites.S: Where is Cuba Cuba located? Nice pics.

WC

Pip Jaeger
02-24-13, 23:32
S: Where is Cuba Cuba located? Nice pics.

WCCorner of A. Santos St and Vian St; right in front of Pacific Breeze. Open air resto / bar that also welcomes "unescorted ladies". I too concur about the food there being pretty good, but didn't try any seafood; only some grilled / BBQ pork and chicken.

Socker
02-25-13, 21:41
S: Where is Cuba Cuba located? Nice pics.

WCThe little street Kokomos is on, down towards the Pacific Breeze. Sorry I don't have the street name. When walking always too busy surveying the pussy to look at street signs. Can't miss it the restaurant is a big one.

Thanks WC

Threadbare
02-26-13, 00:03
I went to Apo (Apu?) market, just for something to do. Its about 10 minutes from the McDonalds at end of Fields in a trike. All sorts of interesting market things to see and buy, DVDs are ok, I got some DC shoes too. As someone else mentioned there are girls there who look interested, but I think its just because I am not Filipino, didn't get any offers! I did think about a day trip to Subic bay too but didn t quite get round to it. Maybe next time! Enjoy!


In AC for a few days. What do you guys recommend for day time fun? Massage or BJ Bar?

Niteluvr
02-26-13, 01:36
saw this on abc news here tonight in the states: http://abcnews.go.com/international/americans-targeted-allegedly-running-****-prostitution-philippines/story?id=18582802

stay careful, fellas.

Psychman
02-26-13, 02:31
The little street Kokomos is on, down towards the Pacific Breeze. Sorry I don't have the street name. When walking always too busy surveying the pussy to look at street signs. Can't miss it the restaurant is a big one.

Thanks WCSantos street, home of the famous blow row.

Chris Long
02-26-13, 04:08
saw this on abc news here tonight in the states:

http://abcnews.go.com/international/americans-targeted-allegedly-running-****-prostitution-philippines/story?id=18582802

stay careful, fellas.i like how the girls all defended him and none seen father shay cullen and his organization as being the good guys because in reality they are not. what is he returning them to, a life of rural poverty, a future with a husband that will drink too much not support her or the children he will produce with her and who is not above raising his hand to her. father shay cullen is helping no one but himself; he wants to assure his funding from the ngo organizations that fund him so he has to portray this in the most unsavory of terms. i often wonder about the sexuality of these moral crusaders who portray prostitution as such an evil. personally i believe the men who crusade against this are homosexuals (i'm not trying to be insulting) who would like to see an end to prostitution so men will have no other release but to possible turn to other men. i also wonder about the sexual leanings of women who crusade against this and paint it as such an evil. personally i believe many if not all are lesbians who are burning with hatred at the fact that they don't have a dick to fuck these women with and are joules as hell. i am not trying to be insulting or show a lack of education or intelligence, and i know it is not politically correct to portray these crusaders against prostitution in such a way. but i believe there is a very strong element of this within these crusaders.

i also like how the philippine authorities pretty much had to be dragged along on this operation. it is pure hipocracy for the americans to try to force their view or morality, their view of right or wrong, their view of what is just, on the rest of the world. personally i will be glad when america declines and china rises. instead of trying to create an american world maybe we will have a more worldly america. i see the rise of china as a good in many ways; china will only be concerned with assuring its hegemony and will not try to force their moral views on the rest of the world as the americans always try to do.

prostitution is a women's right to choose, they chose it for economic reasons for sure. but, it is a women's right to choose and they should have the right to choose that profession rather it's for temporary needs a long term profession or an occasional profession to help ends meet. they should have the right to choose that profession without the fear of abuse prosecution or humiliation. did anyone even bother to ask the prostitute at the bar if they wanted saving, no they didn't. the only person father shay cullen and these moral crusaders are saving are their own ngo donations and budgets.

chris

WhatsUrName
02-26-13, 15:22
i like how the girls all defended him and none seen father shay cullen and his organization as being the good guys because in reality they are not. what is he returning them to, a life of rural poverty, a future with a husband that will drink too much not support her or the children he will produce with her and who is not above raising his hand to her. father shay cullen is helping no one but himself; he wants to assure his funding from the ngo organizations that fund him so he has to portray this in the most unsavory of terms. i often wonder about the sexuality of these moral crusaders who portray prostitution as such an evil. personally i believe the men who crusade against this are homosexuals (i'm not trying to be insulting) who would like to see an end to prostitution so men will have no other release but to possible turn to other men. i also wonder about the sexual leanings of women who crusade against this and paint it as such an evil. personally i believe many if not all are lesbians who are burning with hatred at the fact that they don't have a dick to fuck these women with and are joules as hell. i am not trying to be insulting or show a lack of education or intelligence, and i know it is not politically correct to portray these crusaders against prostitution in such a way. but i believe there is a very strong element of this within these crusaders.

i also like how the philippine authorities pretty much had to be dragged along on this operation. it is pure hipocracy for the americans to try to force their view or morality, their view of right or wrong, their view of what is just, on the rest of the world. personally i will be glad when america declines and china rises. instead of trying to create an american world maybe we will have a more worldly america. i see the rise of china as a good in many ways; china will only be concerned with assuring its hegemony and will not try to force their moral views on the rest of the world as the americans always try to do.

prostitution is a women's right to choose, they chose it for economic reasons for sure. but, it is a women's right to choose and they should have the right to choose that profession rather it's for temporary needs a long term profession or an occasional profession to help ends meet. they should have the right to choose that profession without the fear of abuse prosecution or humiliation. did anyone even bother to ask the prostitute at the bar if they wanted saving, no they didn't. the only person father shay cullen and these moral crusaders are saving are their own ngo donations and budgets.

chrisi for one, am tickled pink and green that the american, arthur benjamin, went to jail. i hope he gets a long prison sentence for knowlingly having sex with children, because i believe it is morally wrong to seek out children for sex. i am perfectly happy with american authorities going after american men who fly to other countries to have sex with children.

i applaud father shay cullen's effort to crack down on under-age prostitution. i definitely understand that the philippines has a severe problem with poverty. i'll admit that i do not have all the answers about "fixing" the underlying problems there, but i do know that selling children in the sex trade is not the answer.

i am aware some of these **** girls will try to fool you. especially in fl magnets such as mbc. in these cases, it is important to consider whether the the girl is **** or not so that we are not perpetuating or supporting the trade. in mbc, if there is any doubt in my mind about whether a girl is ****, i don't take her. period. ids can be easily forged.

Mike921
02-26-13, 15:49
Personally I will be glad when America declines and China rises. Instead of trying to create an American world maybe we will have a more worldly America. I see the rise of China as a good in many ways; China will only be concerned with assuring its hegemony and will not try to force their moral views on the rest of the world as the Americans always try to do.

ChrisYou were doing pretty good until you got to the China part. Unless you actually live in China, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you did, you would know that China has NO moral values. It is a completely amoral society.

Hope you enjoy it.

Pete Benetar
02-26-13, 16:11
i for one, am tickled pink and green that the american, arthur benjamin, went to jail. especially in fl magnets such as mbc. in these cases, it is important to consider whether the the girl is **** or not so that we are not perpetuating or supporting the trade. in mbc, if there is any doubt in my mind about whether a girl is ****, i don't take her. period. ids can be easily forged.i had not read all his quotes and proclamations (anal, knowingly **** etc) ; not the sharpest blade in the kitchenware. darwinianism at work. fully agree on paranoia wrt age determination for self preservation.

FruitNinja
02-26-13, 17:09
You were doing pretty good until you got to the China part. Unless you actually live in China, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you did, you would know that China has NO moral values. It is a completely amoral society.

Hope you enjoy it.From an exec to a doctor. Their view of right and wrong is scary. Mostly revolves around getting ahead at any cost. Let's not hope for that to be the worlds moral compass.

Chris Long
02-26-13, 19:19
You were doing pretty good until you got to the China part. Unless you actually live in China, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you did, you would know that China has NO moral values. It is a completely amoral society.

Hope you enjoy it.That is my point exactly, China will be concerned with maintain economic hegemony not with trying to dictate the moral compass of the world as the Americans seem to think they have a right to do. China will not care if prostitution is legal illegal or what the age of consent is so long as they maintain economic dominance. The Americans want to shape the world in there Hypocraful image, and feel that they somehow have the right moral compass and any one that does not adhere to their views of morality is degenerate and needs them to set them strait. Instead of an American world I would like to see a more worldly America.

Chris

Chris Long
02-26-13, 19:45
i for one, am tickled pink and green that the american, arthur benjamin, went to jail. i hope he gets a long prison sentence for knowlingly having sex with children, because i believe it is morally wrong to seek out children for sex. i am perfectly happy with american authorities going after american men who fly to other countries to have sex with children.

i applaud father shay cullen's effort to crack down on under-age prostitution. i definitely understand that the philippines has a severe problem with poverty. i'll admit that i do not have all the answers about "fixing" the underlying problems there, but i do know that selling children in the sex trade is not the answer.

i am aware some of these **** girls will try to fool you. especially in fl magnets such as mbc. in these cases, it is important to consider whether the the girl is **** or not so that we are not perpetuating or supporting the trade. in mbc, if there is any doubt in my mind about whether a girl is ****, i don't take her. period. ids can be easily forged.i was not addressing the age issue as much as i was addressing the attack on prostitution in general. but even here why do the americans feel that they have the right to dictate the age of consent to the world. in many countries the age of consent is much lower, does that mean these countries are immoral? no, they just have a different view than the americans and the americans should respect that and not try to push their hypocrafull views of morality and standards on the rest of the world.

the real issue here, however, is the attack on prostitution in general. it is a women's right to choose and she should be able to choose that profession without fear of abuse, harassment, prosecution, or humiliation. organizations such as the one featured are not doing these women any good they are just furthering their plight and desperation. women choose this profession for economic reasons and they should be applauded for their entrepreneurial drive. they come predominantly from poor backgrounds with little assets and little options. they take what asset they have and they capitalize on it while they still have their looks. if they are smart they will get an education while they are making money, buy property, or a business. if the father truly wanted to help these women he would be working to make this profession legal so they could get protection from the authorities and not be abused by the authorities.

take the secret service scandal in columbia, i am not going to go into the whole can of worms, but the basic premise to be taken from this is that prostitution is legal there and when there was a dispute over money what did she do, she went to the police. in places where it is illegal there would be very little she could do. if the moral crusaders truly wanted to help these women they would be working for its legalization and respect and protection for these women. in this case the father did nothing but return these women to abject rural poverty with little options. the father is helping no one, no one was saved.

chris

Yujin
02-26-13, 20:53
i too am glad that arthur benjamin's exploiting **** children has been shut down. the guy was so bold and brazen about it that he bragged about it to an undercover reporter. how dumb is that? he thought he was so untouchable that he eagerly bragged to someone he hardly knew (the undercover reporter) that he's banging and prostituting **** girls. the problem with guys like benjamin is that they have no low limit to their 'age of consent. '

some might argue that the arrest of benjamin is an attempt by americans 'to dictate the age of consent to the world' and pushing 'their hypocafull views of morality and standards on the rest of the world. ' this is narrow sighted and an overly broad statement which implies that the people and governments of canada, europe, japan, korea, philippines, australia, colombia, mexico, etc are not as opposed to the sexual exploitation of **** children as americans.

this was not an american government lead investigation. father shay is irish. he was working with an australian film crew. the lead investigation was done by the filipino national bureau of investigation. the american ice was brought in because benjamin is a us citizen which makes him subject to arrest by the us government. the case against benjamin was about his sexual exploitation of **** girls. nothing more. nothing less. it has nothing to do with americans trying 'to dictate the age of the consent to the world. ' it was the filipino government enforcing their laws on the age of consent; not shutting down legal age prostitution.

Socker
02-26-13, 23:01
I was not addressing the age issue as much as I was addressing the attack on prostitution in general. But even here why do the Americans feel that they have the right to dictate the age of consent to the world. In many countries the age of consent is much lower, does that mean these countries are immoral? No, they just have a different view than the Americans and the Americans should respect that and not try to push their hypocrafull views of morality and standards on the rest of the world.

The real issue here, however, is the attack on prostitution in general. It is a women's right to choose and she should be able to choose that profession without fear of abuse, harassment, prosecution, or humiliation. Organizations such as the one featured are not doing these women any good they are just furthering their plight and desperation. Women choose this profession for economic reasons and they should be applauded for their entrepreneurial drive. They come predominantly from poor backgrounds with little assets and little options. They take what asset they have and they capitalize on it while they still have their looks. If they are smart they will get an education while they are making money, buy property, or a business. If the father truly wanted to help these women he would be working to make this profession legal so they could get protection from the authorities and not be abused by the authorities.

Take the secret service scandal in Columbia, I am not going to go into the whole can of worms, but the basic premise to be taken from this is that prostitution is legal there and when there was a dispute over money what did she do, she went to the police. In places where it is illegal there would be very little she could do. If the moral crusaders truly wanted to help these women they would be working for its legalization and respect and protection for these women. In this case the father did nothing but return these women to abject rural poverty with little options. The father is helping no one, No one was saved.

ChrisThis guy nailed it. Age of consent varies from state to state (in America) , country to country. Nature's law on this matter is much younger than 18. If there was a world plague tomorrow and the world's population decreased by 1/2 the age of consent would drop to nothing across the board. Sure in todays world the innocent should be protected and so should all others in every corruptible profession. Thanks Chris for your fair and wise assessment.

Ciao

BionicMan
02-26-13, 23:50
i too am glad that arthur benjamin's exploiting **** children has been shut down.the case against benjamin was about his sexual exploitation of **** girls. nothing more. nothing less. it has nothing to do with americans trying 'to dictate the age of the consent to the world. ' it was the filipino government enforcing their laws on the age of consent; not shutting down legal age prostitution.he, as an american, has been then found infringing us law applicable also beyond us borders. so he can be prosecuted in usa, regardless of what local laws might make him feel he is protected by lcal laws (and he was not anyhow) all the rest, ie americans trying to dictate, as you correctly said, is nonsense and just lame excuses by people eventually supporting those practices, directly or undirectly.

Ej2208
02-27-13, 12:44
he, as an american, has been then found infringing us law applicable also beyond us borders. so he can be prosecuted in usa, regardless of what local laws might make him feel he is protected by lcal laws (and he was not anyhow) all the rest, ie americans trying to dictate, as you correctly said, is nonsense and just lame excuses by people eventually supporting those practices, directly or undirectly.bioniaman i agree 100% with your statement and if he goes to jail in the states. prisoners don't like ****s they are treated as the lowest of the low in jail. everything he has done to his little 16yo girlfriend, the high school girls and the minors that worked for him. he will pay for it many times over. especially since his face and story is posted on the net and on tv.

WhatsUrName
02-27-13, 13:49
bioniaman i agree 100% with your statement and if he goes to jail in the states. prisoners don't like ****s they are treated as the lowest of the low in jail. everything he has done to his little 16yo girlfriend, the high school girls and the minors that worked for him. he will pay for it many times over. especially since his face and story is posted on the net and on tv.here is a link to the us government website that explains the laws about americans traveling abroad and committing sex crimes against children.

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1210/121017washingtondc.htm

Feanor
02-27-13, 19:28
Here is a link to the US government website that explains the laws about Americans traveling abroad and committing sex crimes against children.

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1210/121017washingtondc.htmRead the link. 93 arrests in 9 years (odd that they don't mention convictions) with 73 offices in 47 countries.

Horrible return on investment. I wonder what the cost / arrest or cost / conviction is.

Niteluvr
02-28-13, 04:18
He, as an american, has been then found infringing US law applicable also beyond US borders. So he can be prosecuted in USA, regardless of what local laws might make him feel he is protected by lcal laws (and he was not anyhow) All the rest, ie americans trying to dictate, as you correctly said, is nonsense and just lame excuses by people eventually supporting those practices, directly or undirectly.Not sure about US law in the Phils, but the US has no legal jurisdiction in another country unless local authorities abide by it. If it doesn't pass political muster it's largely ignored. Can you imagine other countries trying to impose their laws on the US? Will never happen unless it satisfied political boundaries and money is exchanging hands. This guy may be able to be prosecuted in the US for his alleged crimes in the Phils, but only as long as the Phillipines agrees with it. I assume enough money and politics has changed hands to make this happen. Keep in mind the German government did basically the same thing about 2-3 years ago.

All I am really saying is that hypocrisy is rampant in this situation because the Philippines gov't should have been leading the charge. Per the video, it appeared that the American ICE agent was leading the pack. The Filipino personnel looked like unwilling puppets.

GoodEnough
02-28-13, 06:12
Not sure about US law in the Phils, but the US has no legal jurisdiction in another country unless local authorities abide by it. If it doesn't pass political muster it's largely ignored. Can you imagine other countries trying to impose their laws on the US? Will never happen unless it satisfied political boundaries and money is exchanging hands. This guy may be able to be prosecuted in the US for his alleged crimes in the Phils, but only as long as the Phillipines agrees with it. I assume enough money and politics has changed hands to make this happen. Keep in mind the German government did basically the same thing about 2-3 years ago.

All I am really saying is that hypocrisy is rampant in this situation because the Philippines gov't should have been leading the charge. Per the video, it appeared that the American ICE agent was leading the pack. The Filipino personnel looked like unwilling puppets.This is not about the US having jurisdiction in the Philippines. Obviously it has none. It pertains rather to the right of the US to prosecute its citizens (when they're back in the US) for violations of US law committed in another country. US law enforcement has a presence here. The FBI maintains an office at the US Embassy, and other enforcement arms of the US Government may do so as well. These operate with the concurrence of the Government of the Philippines.

GE

Chocha Monger
02-28-13, 07:04
This is not about the US having jurisdiction in the Philippines. Obviously it has none. It pertains rather to the right of the US to prosecute its citizens (when they're back in the US) for violations of US law committed in another country. US law enforcement has a presence here. The FBI maintains an office at the US Embassy, and other enforcement arms of the US Government may do so as well. These operate with the concurrence of the Government of the Philippines.

GEUSA citizens are the property of the United States Government. The USA retains jurisdiction over the person of all its citizens regardless of the country they happen to be located in at any given time. Therefore, government agents of the USA may seize its citizens abroad for crimes committed outside of its borders. These broad powers over its citizens are not limited to their search and seizure. In some cases it may exercise its right to summarily execute citizens without trial as demonstrated in drone strikes. Most Americans believe that they have more freedom than citizens of any other nation. The ones who do not believe this, usually the very wealthy, tend to renounce their citizenship upon departing the country with their millions. It is the only way they can terminate the USA government's right to tax them abroad.

BionicMan
02-28-13, 07:11
Not sure about US law in the Phils, but the US has no legal jurisdiction in another country unless local authorities abide by it. .US law has jurisdiction on its own citizens. As, on principle, any country does.

You citizen A do an offence (rated as offence in country A) in country B (where it is not an offence) and if A comes to know you will get in trouble.

On other hand country B can prosecute citizen A also outside of B, if there is a treaty between the two countries, for offences made in country B, as long as these are rated offences in country B.

A great example is sex with minors, being prosecuted by nearly all countries based on their undersstanding of legal age (which is not age of consent, mind you) even if the offence happened elsewhere in the world (and even if there the age of consent is lower and the guy had sex with somebody of legitimate age there)

Let's not get fooled by "DIY" legal advises. Or one-sided common sense.

BionicMan
02-28-13, 07:12
This is not about the US having jurisdiction in the Philippines. Obviously it has none. It pertains rather to the right of the US to prosecute its citizens (when they're back in the US) for violations of US law committed in another country. US law enforcement has a presence here. The FBI maintains an office at the US Embassy, and other enforcement arms of the US Government may do so as well. These operate with the concurrence of the Government of the Philippines.

GEPerfectly said!

Pete Benetar
02-28-13, 07:36
USA citizens are the property of the United States Government. The USA retains jurisdiction over the person of all its citizens regardless of the country they happen to be located in at any given time.

The very wealthy, tend to renounce their citizenship upon departing the country with their millions. It is the only way they can terminate the USA government's right to tax them abroad.

I do not look forward to the economic maybem the day there is a substantial cut in the credit rating for the US and/or the Chinese et al disontinue financing the bloated US Govt, but I do look forward to the absurdities of many haywire domestic and foreign policies getting cut off at the knees.

Show me some good stats on those uber elites renouncing citizenship and I might believe you. Freedom anywhere is proportionate to the amount of wealth one controls and that is certainly true of the USA. The main driver of expatriating uber wealth anywhere is most often over issues of taxation. In the US most wealth is created in capital or equity / stock markets which is always taxed at lower rates than earned income. Capital gains taxes maxed out at 15% last year and bumped up to 20% in 2013 going forward. Make a million in profit on selling your stocks and you pay roughly half the income rate upper end earned income taxpayers do. Earn a few hundred million or even a billion as several hedge fund managers do any given year trading other peoples money, then use the carried interest loophole and pay half the tax rates as the people who are actually working for a living. Take 10 or 20 million USD in salary as a Fortune 500 CEO and use stock options for 90% of that pay and voila, you halve your tax rate. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir and most of this SHOULD be common knowledge, but it is all very, very favorable to the uber wealthy.

The wealth is used to employ high end legal teams with top media contacts to control PR and most importanly to finance political operatives called congressmen, senators or even the President directly through contributions or through K street lobbyists. Many of these 7 figure per year lobbyists and high level corporate execs are also former bureaucraps who are looking to exchange their 100K per year govt job for the golden rainbow from Wall St and Corp America, providing the most opaque and pervasive form of corruption. These bureaucrats are beholden to any potential source of future income (a / k/a "captured"). Altogether, the uber elites in the US have freedoms most of us could never imagine.

Generally speaking the uber wealthy are very happy living in the USA.

Chris Long
02-28-13, 08:08
I do not look forward to the economic maybem the day there is a substantial cut in the credit rating for the US and / or the Chinese et al disontinue financing the bloated US Govt, but I do look forward to the absurdities of many haywire domestic and foreign policies getting cut off at the knees.

Show me some good stats on those uber elites renouncing citizenship and I might believe you. Freedom anywhere is proportionate to the amount of wealth one controls and that is certainly true of the USA. The main driver of expatriating uber wealth anywhere is most often over issues of taxation. In the US most wealth is created in capital or equity / stock markets which is always taxed at lower rates than earned income. Capital gains taxes maxed out at 15% last year and bumped up to 20% in 2013 going forward. Make a million in profit on selling your stocks and you pay roughly half the income rate upper end earned income taxpayers do. Earn a few hundred million or even a billion as several hedge fund managers do any given year trading other peoples money, then use the carried interest loophole and pay half the tax rates as the people who are actually working for a living. Take 10 or 20 million USD in salary as a Fortune 500 CEO and use stock options for 90% of that pay and voila, you halve your tax rate. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir and most of this SHOULD be common knowledge, but it is all very, very favorable to the uber wealthy.

The wealth is used to employ high end legal teams with top media contacts to control PR and most importanly to finance political operatives called congressmen, senators or even the President directly through contributions or through K street lobbyists. Many of these 7 figure per year lobbyists and high level corporate execs are also former bureaucraps who are looking to exchange their 100K per year govt job for the golden rainbow from Wall St and Corp America, providing the most opaque and pervasive form of corruption. These bureaucrats are beholden to any potential source of future income (a / k/a "captured"). Altogether, the uber elites in the US have freedoms most of us could never imagine.

Generally speaking the uber wealthy are very happy living in the USA.Well said.



Chris

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X Man
02-28-13, 10:35
I'm flabbergasted that PB needs "stats" since this has been reported so much. PB gives some good info, but I've snipped most of it. I assume those that are interested have already read it. Sorry for being off topic, but I couldn't just ignore this.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/05/eduardo-saverin-isnt-the-only-rich-guy-defriending-the-us/257087/


SNIP.

Generally speaking the uber wealthy are very happy living in the USA.

Mongerman69
02-28-13, 15:01
Shit fellas', but isn't this stuff a little off topic? Be nice to get back to little short stories / suggestions about, massage places, vendors to avoid, or maybe a decent restaurant? No wonder no one wants to, RTFF. Things seem a little overly verbose, if your know what I mean?