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Tesla Coil

07-06-13, 11:55

Chris Long in Angeles City.

Mongering in Angeles City:

I am going to write a quick how to guide for newbies who have never been to AC before. I fly into Manila because a flight from the states going directly to Clark is a lot more expensive. Manila airport is somewhat of a beehive and a little more confusing than many other airports that I have been to, but certainly manageable and with each trip it becomes more and more familure. Once you pass customs and immigration and before you exit you will find a money exchange, they give a pretty good rate for an airport exchange and I usually exchange some money there before I exit. Once you exit the building you will find a white striped crossing, cross the street and walk down the tunnel there will be signs at the end, if your name is at the beginning of the alphabet you go to your left if at the end of the alphabet you go to your right. You will come out and there will be a mob of people waiting for their ride and across the street there will be drivers waiting for their pick up. Many will hold up signs with the person's name on it. Most if not all AC hotels will arrange a pick up from the Manila Airport for you for around 2700 or 2600 pesos which is the equivalent of about $60 USA give or take a few bucks. There is a less expensive way which will run you around $10 to $15 USA You take a taxi from the airport to the bus station in Manila then you take the bus to Dau (sp?) and a trike from there to your hotel. I have been told that it is quite easy and comfortable. I have never tried this before but plan to on my next trip. For a first timer it may be advisable to have the hotel arrange your pick up. There is a certain amount of cultural familiarity and comfort that you will want to obtain before you immerse yourself into Philippine culture by taking the bus. Also after a 30 plus hour flight coming from the states you may want a drive there to pick you up and take you directly to your hotel...CL,

Thanks for this great post. The AC Map links aren't working? I am heading there next week and would love the information.

TC

Gangles

07-06-13, 13:13

Yes, there was, and is, resistance to have US forces based in the Phils.

One thing that the PI govt overlooked when they pushed the US forces out was that they got their planes and ships from the US for free.

Since the US pulled out, the supply of ships and planes stopped.

To the point where the PI cannot mount a reasonable force in the conflict over the Spratleys and other offshore strategic island groups. Same for the PI air force. Basically a bunch of buildings, a force structure. But apart from a few donated trainers, no fighters or bombers.

They are pretty barehanded now that the South China Sea has hotted up.

G

I just read this yesterday but apparently the Philippines is looking to 'build' new air and naval bases at Subic which the US forces could use. Again. It's been a long time since I've been out by Subic but I wonder if there are still enough bars to handle the crowd when the fleet docks, or if any of this will spill over into the AC scene. If several thousand drunken sailors come into AC, that could drive up prices.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/27/us-philippines-usa-idUSBRE95Q0C120130627

Nvslim

07-06-13, 14:34

This conversation has changed from tail to tailhooks but I'd still like to know if Olongapo and Subic could handle a fleet full of blue balls or if this would spill over into AC. I have a feeling AC would see quite an uptick in activity and as much as I love our military, I wouldn't want to be there when the fleet docks.It is still against military law for its personnel top employ hookers. I year in jail and discharge.

"14 October 2005, when USA President George W. Bush signed Executive Order 13387, which amends the Manual for Courts-Martial to specifically enumerate "patronizing a prostitute" as a violation of Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). USA military personnel will have committed an offense if they "compelled, induced, enticed, or procured person to engage in an act of sexual intercourse in exchange for monetary or other compensation." The act must also be "wrongful" and be "to the prejudice of good order and discipline" of the armed forces or "bring discredit upon" them. A violation is punishable by "dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year."

Don't think a career navy guy will risk his future on a piece of PI nookie.

Slim

Betong

07-06-13, 14:35

When the Philippine government kicked the US out I think they did not realize the economic impact this had on the economy. Now they want us back.The situation is a lot more complex than that. Been to AC lately? Taken a look at the parking lot of SM Mall? It's filled as far as the eye can see with nice new cars. Then go inside the mall and see the people spending their money. They make the local expats look cheap by comparison. Against all odds, there's a big new middle class in the Philippines. Travel the country, look around and you'll see it. Yes, the USA military benefited some areas and some people, and could do again, but these days overall economic development has gone way beyond that.

Mbsl65

07-06-13, 19:20

Military does not enforce it unless they get caught with an incident.

It is still against military law for its personnel top employ hookers. I year in jail and discharge.

"14 October 2005, when USA President George W. Bush signed Executive Order 13387, which amends the Manual for Courts-Martial to specifically enumerate "patronizing a prostitute" as a violation of Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). USA military personnel will have committed an offense if they "compelled, induced, enticed, or procured person to engage in an act of sexual intercourse in exchange for monetary or other compensation." The act must also be "wrongful" and be "to the prejudice of good order and discipline" of the armed forces or "bring discredit upon" them. A violation is punishable by "dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year."

Don't think a career navy guy will risk his future on a piece of PI nookie.

Slim

Wicked Roger

07-07-13, 01:51

Don't think a career navy guy will risk his future on a piece of PI nookie.

SlimSlim,

Tell that the military guys in High Heels and Plan B in Makati yesterday. Am sure they would discuss ex Pres Bush orders after the pinay nookie.

If and when the US military returns in force all these rules etc are forgotten an forgiven unless as Mbs said there is an 'incident'

PI need US cash and investment, the ony way to improve the country IMHO, so will ignore the basic to achieve a greater good (ie more cash in certain pockets LOL)

Pip Jaeger

07-07-13, 13:13

The situation is a lot more complex than that. Been to AC lately? Taken a look at the parking lot of SM Mall? It's filled as far as the eye can see with nice new cars. Then go inside the mall and see the people spending their money. They make the local expats look cheap by comparison.And factor in all of the other development too: expansion of the SM Mall, new condo's / hotels (like the one going up across from the Wild Orchid) , new side walk along Fields Ave; renovations at the airport, etc.

No, the Fields Ave / Perimeter district is not in any danger. It's too much of a cash cow for the area (especially the city "fathers") and there's far too much money laundering happening there for anyone to interfere with; at least in the foreseeable future. Yeah, there's going to be the occasional raid or three; partly to keep up the pretense of keeping the city "clean" and partly for same reason as it has been for years: power plays by bar owners and bar lease takeovers.

John Traveller

07-07-13, 14:32

Finally back in good old AC, it's like coming home, or is it? Somethings are the same here but something is different. The atmosphere. The many latest raids has changed that. This place has changed gradually over the years becoming less good for the average punter. Still it has remained good, but what now? Police in the streets, police holding up customers in the Kokomos restaurant, agents in bars, and bars being reluctant to do bf. All this is new for me.

Last night I went to Kokomos for a burger. The main entrance is "blocked" by the police, they are talking to a couple, I don't know about what. The staff seem worried. I enter by the the side entrance and sit down, but from where I'm sitting it's difficult to see what happens further. But one elderly cop then walks around in the area I am sitting, he looks very eager, I'm not sure if he's observing people inside the restaurant or something over the street, outside Typhoon.

And what do I mean by agents? Well, if you see people that look totally misplaced inside a bar, then you know they are there for observing on behalf of "someone". I went to this smaller joint today. Coincidentally I sit by the same table as these two, a man and a woman, archetypical oundercoover agents, in my eyes. They look "British" and talk English, but because of the loud music I cannot understand their conversation. But from a few words I think it's British accents. Seems like they are talking about something they observe of the dancers. I pay for my drink and leave.

I also went all the way up to the far side of Perimeter, searching for bars. When I get off the jeepney I am in what they call Kooreatown. Even if I am not that surprised to see security guards on every corner, I do find their high profile a bit "strange". And now "they" are obviously planning to fill the gap between Lower Fields and K-Town, the two areas that they already have secured. History unfolds in strange ways, different groups with differing and non-related agendas can suddenly find common grounds in specific cases.

Sorry about this pessimism. And I certainly hope I am wrong about this: it seems like this is the end of an era, I can only recommend the friends of the old AC to come back while we are still in 2013. There are still gems to be found if you look around in the few still friendly places.

Member #4698

07-07-13, 19:54

Finally back in good old AC, it's like coming home, or is it? Somethings are the same here but something is different. The atmosphere. The many latest raids has changed that. Still it has remained good, but what now? Police in the streets, police holding up customers in the Kokomos restaurant, agents in bars, and bars being reluctant to do bf. All this is new for me.

Last night I went to Kokomos for a burger. The main entrance is "blocked" by the police, they are talking to a couple, I don't know about what. The staff seem worried. I enter by the the side entrance and sit down, but from where I'm sitting it's difficult to see what happens further. But one elderly cop then walks around in the area I am sitting, he looks very eager, I'm not sure if he's observing people inside the restaurant or something over the street, outside Typhoon.

Sorry about this pessimism. And I certainly hope I am wrong about this: it seems like this is the end of an era, I can only recommend the friends of the old AC to come back while we are still in 2013. There are still gems to be found if you look around in the few still friendly places.Thanks John for the on the scene report. I haven't read much about the current crackdown on this forum. I wonder why?

My feeling about the raids is that they are just a low season demand for higher payoffs that seem to have become a regular event in AC every rainy season for the last 3 years. I hate to hear about this sort of thing, but so far only 3 bars have been raided. If this were a new paradigm, it seems to me the authorities would raid 20 bars in one night including the big ones, to signal things have really changed in AC. That it is no longer going to be business as usual going forward. But the authorities have not done this so I remain hopeful. I still plan to visit AC in early 2014, but if things get worse; I will make travel adjustments and spend more time in Makati and Subic.

One question John since you are there: are girls still being barfined or are other arrangements necessary like texting the girls and setting up a "date" outside of the bars?

Member #4643

07-07-13, 20:42

Thanks John for the on the scene report. I haven't read much about the current crackdown on this forum. I wonder why?

My feeling about the raids is that they are just a low season demand for higher payoffs that seem to have become a regular event in AC every rainy season for the last 3 years. So far only 3 bars have been raided. If this were a new paradigm, it seems to me the authorities would raid 20 bars in one night including the big ones, to signal things have really changed in AC. That it is no longer going to be business as usual going forward. But the authorities have not done this so I remain hopeful. .

One question John since you are there: are girls still being barfined or are other arrangements necessary like texting the girls and setting up a "date" outside of the bars?Can one of you Philippine's experts explain why there are raids? By this, I do not mean the obvious (the police are shaking down the bar owners for a bit of graft) , but what is the law. What is the ostensible reason the police are going into the bars? I thought prostitution was legal in the Philippines as long as the woman was older than 18 years of age. Or, is it just the bar fines that are illegal (in essence that pimping, or its equivalent, is forbidden)?

In any case, I have been reading the Phils boards for several years, I have been to Manila a few times, I have plans to return soon, and would like to actually understand what the legal situation might be.

THANKS!

ThatGuy865

07-07-13, 20:59

Can one of you Philippine's experts explain why there are raids? By this, I do not mean the obvious (the police are shaking down the bar owners for a bit of graft) , but what is the law. What is the ostensible reason the police are going into the bars? I thought prostitution was legal in the Philippines as long as the woman was older than 18 years of age. Or, is it just the bar fines that are illegal (in essence that pimping, or its equivalent, is forbidden)?

In any case, I have been reading the Phils boards for several years, I have been to Manila a few times, I have plans to return soon, and would like to actually understand what the legal situation might be.

THANKS!First off. Prostitution is ILLEGAL In the PI. In any shape or form. At any age. This is a serious catholic country. They just started teaching sex ed in school. As the catholic church was able to prevent it from passing in the pass.

In Jan 2013 They passed new broad based "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" Laws which now state MANY offenses that the bars engage in are considered "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" offenses and a non-bailable.

The difference between past raids and now. The mamasans and Bar managers who are caught are NOT being released and facing "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" charges. All 3 bars raided. Still have people in jail. Without bail.

And no one wants to spend time in a PI jail. So its understandable B0 / BM are a bit nervous.

The Mayor has stated. NO Bar Fines permitted. And raid will persist until its understood.

Now if anyone thinks the bars contribute too much money to the economy. They got rid of the Military. And it contributed way more. To many more Filippino's. And the city survived.

Threadbare

07-08-13, 00:19

Try skyscanner web site this has helped me in the past. It does depend if the airline subscribe but you can get a feel of which airline or where. There are other similar web site but I use this the most.I have used a lot of sites for flight bookings, its hard to find one site that gives all the options. A good way to find flights to smaller airports, for example Clark, is to check the airport's arrival and departure info on its own site, so you can see every airline who flies in and from where and when, then book direct on the airline site. Hope this helps.

BrainDrain

07-08-13, 07:10

I notice that ABC Hotel has a pool party on Sunday night just passed. Anyone whom is in town care to write a field report?

BionicMan

07-08-13, 07:47

First off. Prostitution is ILLEGAL In the PI. In any shape or form. At any age. This is a serious catholic country. They just started teaching sex ed in school.

The difference between past raids and now. The mamasans and Bar managers who are caught are NOT being released and facing "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" charges. All 3 bars raided. Still have people in jail. Without bail. And no one wants to spend time in a PI jail. So its understandable B0 / BM are a bit nervous. The Mayor has stated. NO Bar Fines permitted. And raid will persist until its understood. Now if anyone thinks the bars contribute too much money to the economy. They got rid of the Military. And it contributed way more. To many more Filippino's. And the city survived.If BF's are "abolished", oh well. There are many forms to pay a BF and in PI BF includes ALL services, there will be ways to overcome this. Still the basic point (prostitution being illegal) will represent a challenge and a starting point for LE. Even if mamasan do not see any money from the customer.

BrainDrain

07-09-13, 22:48

A DIA contact wants to meet at Wishing Well. Anyone been there? Any reports or suggestions?

RomeoJoe

07-10-13, 06:46

Well, boys I traveled the world a lot and I have to say its the best place for a 18 to 24 year old GFE experience girl I was there two weeks and barely paid had a virgin for free.

And most were begging me to give it to them raw because they thought I was beautiful and they wanted they baby to look like me? What could I say heaven could not have been better after Angeles made a stop in Pattaya what a joke old worn out hardcore girls I would never go back there but angeles you have my heart

I had the virgin her two cousins and almost her sister LOL and alot of high society girls freelancing. Bunny ranch devilwitch girls were so nice to me and the ghetto section opposite of walking street you can find gems there for 1200 pesos and they stay for days and will do other girls and your friends.

P. S this girl has the cup so soft 19 year old body amazing got her for 1100 pesos all night and she stayed two more nights free.

John Traveller

07-10-13, 17:27

Good for you!

Some advice of caution for you: Even if the girl likes to be with you and also don't ask for $ you should give her some! Remember that these girls are poor. IMHO. Secondly, in AC there are some issues with freelancers that you should be aware of, but I suppose you already are. Then a question for you: where is this "ghetto" place you are talking about?

Well, boys I traveled the world a lot and I have to say its the best place for a 18 to 24 year old GFE experience girl I was there two weeks and barely paid had a virgin for free.

And most were begging me to give it to them raw because they thought I was beautiful and they wanted they baby to look like me? What could I say heaven could not have been better after Angeles made a stop in Pattaya what a joke old worn out hardcore girls I would never go back there but angeles you have my heart

I had the virgin her two cousins and almost her sister LOL and alot of high society girls freelancing. Bunny ranch devilwitch girls were so nice to me and the ghetto section opposite of walking street you can find gems there for 1200 pesos and they stay for days and will do other girls and your friends.

P. S this girl has the cup so soft 19 year old body amazing got her for 1100 pesos all night and she stayed two more nights free.

John Traveller

07-10-13, 17:39

Yes, it's the same in most Asian countries, but the bars work through "loopholes" in the system, but I suppose these are getting smaller nowadays.

BTW, Camelot re-opened today.

First off. Prostitution is ILLEGAL In the PI. In any shape or form. At any age. This is a serious catholic country. They just started teaching sex ed in school. As the catholic church was able to prevent it from passing in the pass.

In Jan 2013 They passed new broad based "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" Laws which now state MANY offenses that the bars engage in are considered "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" offenses and a non-bailable.

The difference between past raids and now. The mamasans and Bar managers who are caught are NOT being released and facing "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" charges. All 3 bars raided. Still have people in jail. Without bail.

And no one wants to spend time in a PI jail. So its understandable B0 / BM are a bit nervous.

The Mayor has stated. NO Bar Fines permitted. And raid will persist until its understood.

Now if anyone thinks the bars contribute too much money to the economy. They got rid of the Military. And it contributed way more. To many more Filippino's. And the city survived.

John Traveller

07-10-13, 17:43

Wikipedia also has info about destinations, just search for the individual airport. (Also recommend Wikitravel BTW.)

I have used a lot of sites for flight bookings, its hard to find one site that gives all the options. A good way to find flights to smaller airports, for example Clark, is to check the airport's arrival and departure info on its own site, so you can see every airline who flies in and from where and when, then book direct on the airline site. Hope this helps.

Member #4643

07-10-13, 23:18

First off. Prostitution is ILLEGAL In the PI. In any shape or form. At any age. This is a serious catholic country. They just started teaching sex ed in school. As the catholic church was able to prevent it from passing in the pass.

In Jan 2013 They passed new broad based "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" Laws which now state MANY offenses that the bars engage in are considered "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" offenses and a non-bailable.

The difference between past raids and now. The mamasans and Bar managers who are caught are NOT being released and facing "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" charges. All 3 bars raided. Still have people in jail. Without bail.

And no one wants to spend time in a PI jail. So its understandable B0 / BM are a bit nervous.

The Mayor has stated. NO Bar Fines permitted. And raid will persist until its understood.

Now if anyone thinks the bars contribute too much money to the economy. They got rid of the Military. And it contributed way more. To many more Filippino's. And the city survived.I did not know this. And, I find it of concern because I have a rule not to break any laws when traveling outside of the USA. Although, I have broken this rule on some occasions (for example, the Termas in Rio are actually illegal brothels, even though paying a woman for sex is not illegal. But paying the house is quite illegal there) , but I certainly think I have never really broken the spirit of the law!

That being said, the DIA approach works effortlessly in the Phils, so bar fines are largely irrelevant there. I have barfined two girls and picked up one girl from Burgos street in my two trips to Manila. Who would have know this was illegal behavior? I will certainly never barfine again (waste of money, in my opinion. All ones needs to do is set up something with a Tagged or DIA girl in advance. Why give the bar 2000-4000 pesos? I prefer to give my money to the girl).

The DIA girls would have been happy with nothing, as long as I was interested in becoming their boyfriend or husband. DISCLAIMER: I was never interested in a long term relationship (and I told them this). They have always left my hotel with money in their pockets. This is clearly legal, even in the USA.

That being said, it would greatly surprise me if the authorities can really stop, or even effectively control, open prostitution in the Philippines. These campaigns always seem to be due to some self-righteous mayor (for example, the last Mayor of Sao Paulo hated the boites. Of course, he was gay, which made his stance a bit suspicious) , but the Mayor is usually, in the end, not very effective.

My conclusion: I love the Philippines, and think that open paid sex will continue to be a reality there for a long while. And, the semi-pro scene beats every country I have visited, although the Dominican Republic is not very different.

Exoticspirit

07-10-13, 23:41

Member #4643

07-11-13, 00:33

The route with the bars, whether an official bar fine or not, seems to have better quality control than compared to freelancers. At least with the bar girls, you have a place to complain to if service was poor and the girl caused trouble. With freelancers, you don't have this quality control.Good point, although I cannot imagine myself complaining to the bar if the service was bad. I prefer freelancers.

Chacun a son goût, n'est-ce pas?

Member #4698

07-11-13, 01:40

I cannot imagine myself complaining to the bar if the service was bad. I prefer freelancers.Right. You won't get very far if you complain about bad service, although a smart mama will try to make it up to you by recommending a different girl that she knows will rock you. She will want to keep your business. But you can complain to the bar and expect a positive response if a girl steals from you or there is a non-performance issue. The bar girls from the quality bars know this and it helps enforce a certain accepted minimum standard of performance. Freelancers are independent and answer to no one, but themselves and their immediate customers. Many freelancers are really nice girls and I have had my share of great times at Cafe Havana, MBC, and Thermae, but there are rotten apples out there. In AC, where there are so many bar girls to choose from and EWR is the norm, I think it is better and more reliable to go with the bar girls. Why fight it? But whatever works for you is fine with me.

Red Kilt

07-11-13, 05:29

P. S this girl has the cup so soft 19 year old body amazing got her for 1100 pesos all night and she stayed two more nights free.You should NOT post photos of girls on this open website unless you camouflage them in some way.

Not only mongers read this board.

This girl will now be targetted by authorities especially if she is a FL.

Some members here know at first hand how showing a girl's photo leads to all sorts of problems for her whether a BG or a FL, including her family finding out what she really does for a living.

BionicMan

07-11-13, 09:02

I did not know this. That being said, it would greatly surprise me if the authorities can really stop, or even effectively control, open prostitution in the Philippines. These campaigns always seem to be due to some self-righteous mayor (for example, the last Mayor of Sao Paulo hated the boites. Of course, he was gay, which made his stance a bit suspicious) , but the Mayor is usually, in the end, not very effective. My conclusion: I love the Philippines, and think that open paid sex will continue to be a reality there for a long while. And, the semi-pro scene beats every country I have visited, although the Dominican Republic is not very different.And they will still always have the chance to screw you based on current law. We all know tehy often close eyes, but sometime thye have to open them, for whatever reason, and therefore who is picked is gulty until he proves being innocent.

BionicMan

07-11-13, 09:05

I had the virgin her two cousins and almost her sister LOL and alot of high society girls freelancing.Can you elaborate about a high society girl being "freelancing".

Are you saying a high society girl sells her body?

Nice Guy 99

07-11-13, 13:19

Can you elaborate about a high society girl being "freelancing".

Are you saying a high society girl sells her body?High Society is a club in AC.

http://highsocietyangelescity.com/test/

BionicMan

07-11-13, 14:05

High Society is a club in AC.

http://highsocietyangelescity.com/test/Thanks that makes quite a difference.

Member #4387

07-11-13, 14:40

Wikipedia also has info about destinations, just search for the individual airport. (Also recommend Wikitravel BTW.)This link comes in handy if it is allowed. Shows all dep / arr CRK (Clark Fields Angeles)

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airport/airportDetails.do?airportCode=CRK

RomeoJoe

07-12-13, 00:16

You should NOT post photos of girls on this open website unless you camouflage them in some way.

Not only mongers read this board.

This girl will now be targetted by authorities especially if she is a FL.

Some members here know at first hand how showing a girl's photo leads to all sorts of problems for her whether a BG or a FL, including her family finding out what she really does for a living.I thought you have to be a member to see pics? So thought it was safe sorry BTW.

RomeoJoe

07-12-13, 00:22

Another 19 year old sweet girl GFE all the way was only 1200 pesos all night near Babydolls area.

ThatGuy865

07-13-13, 02:03

Yes, it's the same in most Asian countries, but the bars work through "loopholes" in the system, but I suppose these are getting smaller nowadays.

BTW, Camelot re-opened today.Camelot re-opened but They have a one Bar manager and Mamasan in jail still when they were raided about 3 months ago.

They had a complaint, so it wasn't a true raid but they may have just went back for additional evidence.

RalphJone

07-13-13, 11:21

greetings from one of those lurkers some of you seem to enjoy criticising so much. thank you others who have freely shared your kind advice so some of us newbies can more easily navigate the scene. dia was a great bit of help. a full trip report minus the needless details like how my fingers smelled will follow when i get home in 2 or 3 weeks, and in front of a full size ed keyboard.

for now i post to inform that the viking was raided and closed last night by lgi. rumor 1 is because of an **** girl, but the mama in law (literally) of one of the girls arrested said it was because of the act of bar fine. i will try to get more details, and hopefuly reliable ones, tomorrow.

again, thanks to those of you who have been generous with advice for us angeles first timers and rookies. it has helped a lot.

rj

Wicked Roger

07-14-13, 02:03

One thing for sure; things definitely are looking more ominous today than they did 10 days ago.

I will bypass the PI entirely and spend more time in BKK and Jakarta. If it turns out that the self righteous powers that be don't want my money, I am not going to force them to take it.

I will feel sorry for the girls though and miss them. They are great. To bad nobody seems to be looking out for them in this current mess.No one will look out for the girls NB IMHO unless the odd monger does, they are the last people those in AC care about. I have heard that some want AC to be more middle class and want AC to lose its 'entertainment' tag thus pushing bars etc to Subic but then ask yourself will it end there.

The is enough investment supposedly being / will be pumped into Clark etc that there maybe a grain of truth in the middle class rumour.

Whatever it is AC is changing, never my favourite place but was for many I know and like countless others are watching the events unfold before deciding to change location (even country) and take their cash elsewhere. If the Philippines does not want it others will as you mentioned.

NomadicMong

07-14-13, 02:07

Not what my wingmen, who are there right now, are telling me. They say "business as usuall". Pussy everywhere.Just came back few days back from AC. I was there on the day Camalot was raided. But even that day, the business was usual with bar fine. Both Teo and Dollhouse was full.

So I am not sure where this message of no bar fine is coming from. I understand you have be careful considering many moles. But if you know the mamason and talk through them, I don't see any issues.

WestCoast1

07-14-13, 08:28

just came back few days back from ac. i was there on the day camalot was raided. but even that day, the business was usual with bar fine. both teo and dollhouse was full.

so i am not sure where this message of no bar fine is coming from. i understand you have be careful considering many moles. but if you know the mamason and talk through them, i don't see any issues.i just posted several hotel reviews. was in camelot the night before and the early evening of its raid, making innuendo with a waitress. i slipped my phone number to the waitress, and also to an off-duty dancer, who later txt: "hi how you, its xxxxxxx from camelot". by chance i was walking my well-pounded chatmate out of the hotel to the jeepney maingate. when i walked back past camelot a few minutes later, there were police vehicles blocking traffic, the camelot doors were wide open, all the lights were off, the music gone, employees milling on the sidewalk, and people standing around. also an ambulance was there and i assumed something catastrophic might have happened, maybe a heart attack. i asked on the street what had happened, but nobody seemed to know. horndog that i am, i walked down to raymond street and had a drink there with the girls, asking if they knew what happened. they were unaware and started txting people to find out. a minute later one of them got a response: **** dancers. an hour later i remembered that i had the off-duty dancer's number in my phone. i txt asking what happened, and later she txt back the same info. i had enquired the barfine previously and was told by a waitress that i had to buy a certain kind of drink for the previous barfine amount, then you can take the girl.

all of the santos / raymond bars were quite clear: the st was 700 (or 800) , the lt (called barfine) was twice the st amount (at 12 hours or more). regarding the 12 hours or more, i was thinking of taking a raymond girl for lt. had her spec-tac-ular ass previously and wanted it again. but it was 4pm, and i didn't want to wake up at 4am to bring her back. the mama was fine with 8am and off we went.

valhalla bar still utilized the term and technique of barfine: pay the amount to the bar, take the girl. but they whispered any amount mentioned and they didn't write it on the receipt chit.

pussycat dolls bar, down a sidestreet near phillies, was 1600. they too would not mention a barfine. one nighti was chatting the waitress and when i asked how much was the bf, she looked me right in the eye and asked me if i was police. that blanched me. i said no. she said they have no barfine, that if i want a girl to chat the girl and just take her. really! so i bought a hottie a drink (rare for me) and chatted her up. she said the previous bf was 1600, but they stopped with that. just take the girl and the next day give what you feel you should. but she also said: "i hope you give to me one-six tomorrow. i have to pay the bar 800 even if you give me less." off we went, and she was great (you'll see).

i got several different stories from different bars on how to pay the barfine.

WestCoast1

07-15-13, 03:47

Regarding time. Very lax.

Something very different from a few years ago. Back then, unless I specified a departure time in the morning before leaving the bar, about 2/3 of the girls would hop up at sunrise and leave. Not this time. Most of the time this time I tried a different tack. In the past I'd give them a timeframe in my list: "Stay till 9am." This time I just asked, while chatting, how long they could stay in the morning. Do you have something you must run home to in the morning? Other than the Santos / Raymond girls, almost every girl said: "Up to you." They were very accomodating. When I forgot to mention this in the bar, they just hung around me the next morning regardless of where I went, and in one case I had to boot the (Fields) girl in the early afternoon so I could go to Raymond and get a ST girl. Nobody was in any rush to get home in the morning.

Two more time items. The previous Raymond mama that I mentioned who said I could keep the girl an extra 4 hours (total 16) , to return the girl at 8am. We went to breakfast at Phillies, and at 7:50am I told the girl I would walk her the two blocks back to the bar as it was approaching 8."No. I want to shop." What?"My shift start tonight. Dis my time. I want to shop in street bendor. You go wid me? Also later the mall." So, we shopped the street vendors so she could look for a better phone, then went back to the hotel and were lazy watching TV. Then we went to the mall. She was window shopping, comparing prices on phones. She wanted coffee so we got a cup of coffee on the second floor, on the tech end of the mall at one of those coffee places with the tables. She ignored both me and the coffee and burned up her phone for 30 minutes txting away. She looked up and said: "We go now?" Sure. You going to take the coffee?"I don't want." Of course. When we got back to the hotel about 11:30 she looked up the street, down the street, and asked: "I can go now?" Sure. See you tonight at the bar. It would be later that night that Camelot got raided. P1400.

Item two. Cheap Charlie (I saw a guy with a t-shirt that read: "I am the original Kuripot."). I stopped into a Raymond bar to have a drink with a girl I'd had the day before. I did not intend to take a girl. I got a beer and was chatting her, and she started pressuring me to take her LT. I reached into my pocket: p1020, enough for p700 ST, but not enough for the p1400 LT. The mama was sitting chatting a white expat. I told her that I wanted the girl LT, but I only had p1000. The mama said to take the girl ST. It was late and I didn't want that. So I got creative and said: I have p1000 for you, but only for LT. If you say no, I'm leaving, alone. One second later the mama agreed, and let me take the girl for the reduced price.

OTOH, I returned every ST girl under the 2-hour mark.

RalphJone

07-15-13, 04:40

Please see Jacks post, nomadics post, and west coasts post below. They are all accurate. Raymond street, at least the bar where I was, bar fine no problem. A place on perimeter, bar fine not mentioned. Take it up with the girl. She will make her arrangements with mama later. I can not speak to the bigger clubs on fields.

My very educated guess right now is Angeles is transitioning and payment directly to bar is going to be a thing of the past. Girls paying the bar is where it is going. I have no problem with that. For the girls it is better, and lessens their chance of being exploited. The mama will still be available for introductions, helpful advice, and the protection of her girls. Of course the next mayoral election will change that?

FYI, I am in angeles now and have been for the last 4 nights 5 days so this info is current. Do not change your plans to come here because you are afraid there will not be enough action for you. Still fun city.

Off to cebu, tr later. But reading the current thread hoped to provide additional insight into the current state of affairs.

RJ

SanLuisMex

07-15-13, 06:20

I am always late to the party. Was just about to purchase my ticket for late November. But will wait and see. Just returned from my first BKK / Pattaya trip. May just go back instead. I always seem to read posts on destination I seek to travel that it is not as good as it used to be. I go and it is the best ever. For me. However these crack downs sound different. Serious. Any recommendation on go or no go?

Ed Rome

07-15-13, 08:12

My question is is this "barfine" thing causing problems any place else besides Angeles City?

I am reading and seems conflicting reports about Angeles City.

Some say yes, some no.

Is this now the new norm in Philippines?

I am looking forward to my next month long excursion to Philippines in January or February.

I rent in Angeles City but do venture out to Subic, Makati, Manila and Cebu City during my trip but spend at least 1/2 the trip in Angeles.

I have rarely barfined because I have found lots of success on DIA and Tagged but on a slow night venture to bars and get me some putang.

BTW. How is the weather in Philippines in January and February. Last thing I want to do is plan a trip and running out of the rain a lot.

Jdbkk555

07-16-13, 07:37

Thought I'd pass along some pics from a recent fishing expedition. She's young, cute and anxious.

Socker

07-17-13, 18:41

and it seems like there's something (a lot?) to what MathewCob writes. But reading his posts you would think that they basically locked down everything from Fields to Perimeter, which seems to be contradicted by other real time reports. So to anyone currently in AC: please keep the reports coming in so we have enough evidence to judge. I have a ticket for mid August and would like to have some idea of the situation on the ground.

Thanks!I'm w / Buttita, we need more current trip reports from AC. All this political speculation belongs in General info.

Tman525

07-17-13, 21:00

I will be in AC next week, so I have been alarmed to read about the bar Clampdown there. I was just chatting on Facebook to a couple of girls about it. They work in the same bar, which I won't name it in case any officials are reading this. One said that to get around the clampdown, if a customer buys a girl 13 drinks, she can leave with him. I asked how much that was in practice. She said 3,000 peso. Both girls were far from being stunners and definitely not worth what I've previously considered to equate to 'Superior' ladies. Possibly it's be / s to get me to visit the bar, possibly it's an inflated price because she is not good with money figures (unlikely!). Or more likely perhaps it's a way to clean up in a buyers market.

I have a few FB and dating site contacts already in my cell phone and 2 'promises' who could easily use up all my time and energy before I move on after 7 days to a fortnight in Cebu. I'll update the forum with what I find, though I tend to agree with those who have already said on here they believe that after a little hiatus, things will return to what was roughly there before though probably on a smaller scale. Political imperatives and scruples are nice, so long as you can afford the cost of them. Of course the people who always suffer in these things are the working people (and the occasional monger who might have to actually use some imagination to get what he wants!)

I'd be really grateful to read any updates from someone there right now.

E Z Rhino

07-18-13, 08:44

Does it matter what day of the week or what month of the year you visit AC. I know school is now back in session in the Philippines, their vacation was during the spring monsoons. How much would you budget. What hotel. I am thinking of going, say, tomorrow night Friday. Airasia doesn't list on kayak but they have fares for like $40 round trip TPE-CRK. Taiwan is lame for hobbyists. I mean is midweek slow or, is summer slow or, maybe slow is still plenty of selection and cheaper low season hotels. Well I will read back in this thread but thought someone could help out and refresh our memories.

Hrm. According to this the temperature is always on the hot side. And the rainy season is beginning. Does that put a damper on the nightlife?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angeles,_Philippines#Climate

Skippy222

07-18-13, 09:05

Making a trip report as promised.

Taxis from the airport to Manila have reached ridiculous prices. I didn't really have a good idea of transportation, so in the end, I took a taxi, with a fixed rate, to a bus station in Manila, which cost me 1600 pesos. The bus ticket, on the Philippines Rabbit, was 145, I believe, one way, from Manila to Angeles. This is not an advisable route. I was told that there is a Victory Bus terminal much closer to the airport that can be reached by spending 75 pesos on a taxi, and then taking the Victory buses, which are much nicer than the Philippines Rabbit. I think I will be taking the Southern Cross back at this point. I was told that taxis to Angeles cost 4000 pesos.

On the first day, I barfined a Vivian from Atlantis for 2000. She was 24, slim, and did a good job at GFE, with lots of kissing along with lots of passion, although no French kissing. Played with herself a bit until she came, and came more kissing. Had a harder time getting it up and staying up, but she was a good sport about it. Later, we watched some lesbian porn together, and although she said that it was weird and she would not do it, she was still interested in watching. After that I got it up, and we did missionary until I came. She left at about 1, having stayed for about four hours. She was great, had a fun attitude, and was very accomodating. I would repeat.

On the second day, I looked around for a bisexual threesome. The mamasan at Atlantis said there were no girls that would do that, but at Golden Nile, one of the waitresses and one of the bar girls said they would, and had done it before. However, it was 7400 for both of them, so I went looking elsewhere. At Club Asia, I found two girls after asking the mamasan, a Mayumi (real name Abby) and an MJ, who were up for it. Mayumi was slim and very beautiful, with pale skin, while MJ was a little thicker, although by no means thick, had darker skin, and dyed hair. Paid 6000 total for their barfine. MJ said that she liked girls although Mayumi said it was her first time, and that she was doing it for business. Mayumi would not eat out MJ, but the two of them kissed, sucked on each other's nipples, kissed each other down each other's bodies, and MJ ate out Mayumi for awhile. Mayumi then proceeded to straddle MJ while MJ was lying down and get eaten out by her. I saw her really enjoying it from the look of her face, and she leaned back and was biting her lower lip while MJ ate her out. Other than the lesbian show, they were rather disappointing. This is where I have been confused.

They did not do a BBBJ, and were not very enthusiastic, so I didn't get a very strong erection. At first, they gave me a brief CBJ, with Mayumi doing the CBJ while MJ licked the balls. Mayumi then rode me in cowgirl. I became soft again, and they tried to use their hands to get me up again. I didn't get it up again for a long time, and they seemed to get frustrated which then made the experience more negative. They brought me to completion with their hands and then left early, even though I had said that they needed to stay till two.

In both days, the girls had insisted on CBJ, and were very bad at giving it too. Now I have read that girls in Angeles City are not very good at them. In addition, the girls have left rather early, rather than staying the night. I was wondering if more senior mongers have some advice on solving the issue of them leaving early, and CBJ. I do not want full service bareback, but only BBBJ.

BrainDrain

07-18-13, 11:16

On on. Wait. Thats right. They now have seamstress jobs. LOLYes and able to compete on the open market against the labour rates of Vietnam and China for the textile trade. I would be setting up internet terminals and giving them access to more profitable markets.

John Traveller

07-18-13, 16:02

Just go! Of course, use the normal precautions and be vigilant. I think it's a good idea to support the bars now. You may want to have a plan B, but AC should still be your plan A!

Thanks John for the on the scene report. I haven't read much about the current crackdown on this forum. I wonder why?
My feeling about the raids is that they are just a low season demand for higher payoffs that seem to have become a regular event in AC every rainy season for the last 3 years. I hate to hear about this sort of thing, but so far only 3 bars have been raided. If this were a new paradigm, it seems to me the authorities would raid 20 bars in one night including the big ones, to signal things have really changed in AC. That it is no longer going to be business as usual going forward. But the authorities have not done this so I remain hopeful. I still plan to visit AC in early 2014, but if things get worse; I will make travel adjustments and spend more time in Makati and Subic.
One question John since you are there: are girls still being barfined or are other arrangements necessary like texting the girls and setting up a "date" outside of the bars?

Socker

07-19-13, 00:54

Key Master

07-19-13, 08:44

Making a trip report as promised.

Taxis from the airport to Manila have reached ridiculous prices. I didn't really have a good idea of transportation, so in the end, I took a taxi, with a fixed rate, to a bus station in Manila, which cost me 1600 pesos. The bus ticket, on the Philippines Rabbit, was 145, I believe, one way, from Manila to Angeles. This is not an advisable route. I was told that there is a Victory Bus terminal much closer to the airport that can be reached by spending 75 pesos on a taxi, and then taking the Victory buses, which are much nicer than the Philippines Rabbit. I think I will be taking the Southern Cross back at this point. I was told that taxis to Angeles cost 4000 pesos.

They did not do a BBBJ, and were not very enthusiastic, so I didn't get a very strong erection. At first, they gave me a brief CBJ, with Mayumi doing the CBJ while MJ licked the balls. Mayumi then rode me in cowgirl. I became soft again, and they tried to use their hands to get me up again. I didn't get it up again for a long time, and they seemed to get frustrated which then made the experience more negative. They brought me to completion with their hands and then left early, even though I had said that they needed to stay till two.

In both days, the girls had insisted on CBJ, and were very bad at giving it too. Now I have read that girls in Angeles City are not very good at them. In addition, the girls have left rather early, rather than staying the night. I was wondering if more senior mongers have some advice on solving the issue of them leaving early, and CBJ. I do not want full service bareback, but only BBBJ.You paid 1600 pesos or 160 pesos to get to the Rabbit bus? 1600 would be way over charged and foolish on your part. 4000 pesos from Angeles to Manila? Who are you talking to? Most hotels will do it for around 2600-2800 pesos. Are you really doing your research?

I've learned not all the women there do blow jobs. If you insist they do them they may just be lame, because they're just lame at them. Then you have the others who do a damn fine job. If it's important to you to have one, then you should be sure to ask beforehand. I don't know if I've ever had a CBJ there. Could it be you? Have you trimmed or shaved down there? Maybe you may smell down there? I'm just saying. I would imagine a CBJ by the women there would be bad since I think most do it BBBJ.

It helps to have a connection with the women there and find women there who are into you. This may be part of the problem you are having with them leaving you early. I like to have some fun with them in the bar and talk and joke with them but that's me. Everyone has their own comforts. I wouldn't just go based on looks alone.

Member #4566

07-20-13, 05:25

Four years have passed since I have been to Balibago. The streets are still swathed in the lahar from the 1992 Pinatubo eruption. But things have changed. And I am reflecting on my memories of AC from when I first came nearly 20 yrs ago. Buildings are arising that require elevators. The increase in prices can not be explained by inflation, laws of supply and demand or any other economic model of which I am aware. At least some of the rise in prices is probably due to the need of new investors to begin recoup on their investments. Anyway, I sense that there has been a fundamental shift in Balibago.

Key Master

07-20-13, 05:39

I stopped reading your website a long time ago with quite a few other people for a reason. What are you doing in the Philippines?My bad. I have been informed that you only posted something on the website and not Stickman. What a bummer!

Garry Smith

07-20-13, 06:58

Long time no news. I miss ponytail and camelot bar so much.

Hesekiels

07-20-13, 11:33

So it would be against the law if I (51) sit with a 39 years old lady in a Starbucks and have a coffee?Certainly Ekspat! At least when you extract the square root of her age! .

Cheers.

Hesekiels

Gajith

07-20-13, 16:15

one of my girls just told me that they were closed for fire code violations; a faulty exit sign in one case. considering the tragic hotel fire in subic earlier this year, it makes me wonder if someone in the city government was cunning enough to use this sardonic approach on a few of the dryden groups' bars. in any event, same result as any raid; bars are closed and time for dave to pay up (again).

on another note, my girl also said that insomnia was also raided the night before last (can anyone confirm?) , but she left the area with a few of her gf's to go watch a movie and didn't know the reason or the outcome. she also said that several of the girls she knows are considering going to subic to work and others are contemplating taking some time off and going home for a few weeks; at least until things settle down. many of the girls are afraid of being taken into custody; some have had friends who were arrested and had to "perform" for their captors as part of the deal for getting released. one (20 years old; who is very small, thin and exceptionally pretty) claims to have been approached by an officer with regards to setting up an old scam; the knock on the door, you're under arrest for having an "****" girl in your room, but we'll let you go if you donate xx, xxx pesos to our benevolence fund. she was at least smart enough to tell him she'd think about it and get back to him in a few days; after her release she hightailed it back to her province.guys,

anyone presently at ac to get a report of the things happening there?

th

CaliPro

07-20-13, 17:31

I'll be staying 2 weeks in Manila and want to head out to AC for one night just to check it out.

I don't do barfines or anything. Manly just pick up girls in regular clubs or try and shore some girls from FL spots.

Anyways, what is the disco / club scene like in AC? I assume there to be only like 1 or 2 in AC as most places are girly bars.

A nice club where regular girls go along with all the bar girls once they got off work would be great. Is there any such place?

A military guy I met that goes to AC told me about one place but I forgot the name.

Strikesfun

07-20-13, 18:58

Hi All, Subic Bay has a number of bars and hotels. It would be good to have some info on the bars and hotels. Travel time from AC, etc. Just a thought. Thanks

Osuul

07-20-13, 21:32

Hi All, Subic Bay has a number of bars and hotels. It would be good to have some info on the bars and hotels. Travel time from AC, etc. Just a thought. ThanksHow about reading the Olongapo or subic City thread?

Fast Eddie 48

07-20-13, 23:20

How about reading the Olongapo or Subic City thread?To Osuul,

I think Jackson should change Olongapo and Subic city to one thread Subic bay, many member have recommened that many member only know Subic bay not Olongapo or Barrio barreta area.

Fast Eddie 48

E Z Rhino

07-21-13, 08:46

On some sub-forums here, they tell the newbies to RTFM. On this here AC forum you don't seem arsed to even do that. Not sure which is better. Actually better is to provide useful trip reports. Here I had to read back to page 17, then to page 29 or 30, to get any practical information. Mostly a bunch of blather, argument, troll suppression, and gossiping like old ladies. Reports of Distinction weren't all that much help either. So if its okay with the locals in this forum, let me interrupt and throw the newbies a bone, some actual useful information.

Trip Report Part 1.

Nonstop from Taipei to Clark, TPE-CRK, about 2 hours. Air Asia. Plane abuot 80% full. I missed the $30 and $12 fares and paid about $120 RT. Long line at customs at 1AM. Took about 45 minutes to get through. There are only 4 lines for foreigners. I picked the wrong one.

Hotel would not do pickup at that hour. They said 500 PHP. That's what the tout by the van asked. I didn't feel like negotiating at that late hour. Will talk more about the hotel in my next report. Its close enough to the end of the walking street. About an 8 block walk, longer at night when I chose to stay on lighted streets, but I risk the back alleys during daytime. Hotel had decent wifi (some Skype calls worked, some didn't) and free breakfast AND dinner. About $66 a day all in. Would have been $80 if I'd used hotels. Com and not gone direct to their website.

Airport did not have wifi cards for sale. Changed $100 into 4310 PHP after they gave my Ben Franklin the hairy eyeball. Just a straight change, no separate fees.

Anyway let me focus on actionable information, not write a diary for you. I suggest newbies head for Phillies at some point. This is at the inner edge end of the walking street (Fields). Across the street is a 24 hour internet cafe with AC. 20 PHP per hour. (And you get to see the girls in person on the next computer, processing their DIA suitors, and making Skype calls to them). Also across the street is a tourist information, where you can get a handy folding map of the bars. You will notice that its all one long strip. Perimeter becomes Fields becomes walking street. You can get everything done on this strip. Maybe stray off a few blocks one side of it. Some advise not really straying too far down Perimiter. Midnight Sun is as far as you need to go, after that things can get dodgy, both inside and outside the bars that far down. The bars on perimeter run noon- 10PM. They may get a bit sold out after 7 or 8pm.

It is the off season now. Can be rainy but the rain hasn't hit. Advise newbies to check the AC Hotels forum below. Also harrythehorse blog / newsletter. At Phillies, I used my social skills and met some otehr hobbyists. A friendly lot and they helped me understand the basic scene. I am trying here to pass that along to new visitors. Its also a good place to practice an important Tagalog phrase. Sit on the outer stools and hawkers will stroll by offering all manner of goods. The phrase is "In-dee Sah-lah-mah" (Indi Salamat, but the t is mostly silent). It means "Didn't your sister suck me off last night?" OK joking, it just means "No Thank You." But it also makes the hawkers think you're a long time sex tourist and they shouldn't waste their time on a hard sell.

The perimiter bar I went to had about 2 dozen girls. About half on stage at any time, the rest watching and waiting or working the small crowd. On my scale, most of these girls are a 6 out of 10. There were some 4's and 5's, a few 7's. Some had bewitching eyes but bodies just a tad thick for me. Yah, everyone has different taste. There was one 8 (in my book) and I waited a bit until she freed up. The mamasan had been sending me ladies and urging me to buy. Finally the girl of my choice sat down with me, and I gave the mamasan 1400. Then, national police agents, accompanied by CIA, NSA, Interpol, and the Spanish Inquisition, swooped in and arrested everyone in a 3 block radius. They hauled us off to a basement, where MatthewCob tortured and interrogated us, warning of us of the burning fires in hell awaiting us. (Joking).

Jenny changed clothes, and met me out front, where a trike took us to my hotel. The staff there of course are entirely inured to the sex trade and it was not a problem needless to say. Suffice it to say Jenny was ridden hard and put away wet, I f*cked the red out of her hair, and she took direction well. Now technically, I believe I had her long time, not short time. She seemed to sense my confustion about this and said it was ST and 1 shot. Later though she did offer me a second shot. On top of this I gave her a 500 tip. And the trike driver asked for more after I gave him 100 so I gave him 50 more. I know I did wrong here guys but I'm not losing any sleep over it. Actually I slept for about 12 hours straight after I sent her home at 6PM. Hotel called up to my room to confirm my guest leaving. Anyway my point is I don't mind wasting a bit of cash on my first trip, no point in worrying about the perfect trip where you get the perfect price for every single purchase. Philippines is laid back and inexpensive so why not get with the program.

I had also taken a trip out to the SM mall. This is the largest mall in the province, organized with typical Pino efficiency ;-) It is also the largest mall on Earth entirely devoid of proper toilet facilities. I got caught short and every shitter in the entire mall was broken, or occupied LT by either a junkie shooting up, two men, or maybe, I dunno, maybe faced with big crowded Filipino families maybe this is where men go to rub one and lock the door for a period of hours. Finaly I did find one stashed in the corner of the French Bakery. Of course, no toilet paper. Fortunately I had several PHP 20 dollar bills on me...

To be continued...

MathewCob

07-21-13, 10:44

Thanks Ez Rhino for your trip report, as you are aiming to give noobies advice then at least get the correct advice.

The word for no in tagalog is not indi it is Hindi with a strong h sound at the beginning, I'm sure the beggars who you wanted to discourage did not understand a word of what you were saying with Indi, better words to use altogether is "wala salamat" rather than Hindi salamat,

For the benefit of noobies, paying 100 pesos to a trike driver in Angeles is being ripped off, the correct fare is 60 pesos for short journeys with 70 pesos for the longer ones say perimeter to fields, locals pay 50 pesos, no tip,

I look forward to the rest of your trip report.

Pagal Chacha

07-21-13, 13:43

Perhaps pepole are aware of it, Emirates have started flights from London to Clark now, especially there are good deals from Gatwick, I am assuming that this is in response to competion to Cebu Pacific which flies from Dubai

KongKing

07-22-13, 06:01

Both Emirates and Etihad have realized this. Cebu Pac is offering really good deals as is PAL to Dubai but the A320 seats are tight.Wicked Roger, I think you will find that Cebu Pacific and the other airlines you mentioned will be using long distance wide bodied jets like the A330 and not the short haul A320.

Ref:

http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news13/107-CebuPacific.shtml

KongKing

WestCoast1

07-22-13, 06:17

Wicked Roger, I think you will find that Cebu Pacific and the other airlines you mentioned will be using long distance wide bodied jets like the A330 and not the short haul A320.

Ref:

http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news13/107-CebuPacific.shtml

KongKingMy fear is that CP will order the A330's with the same seats that they use in the 319/20. Straight upright, no lower back support, causing one to slump down over time.

Tman525

07-22-13, 07:27

After my first night in Angeles (a Sunday in low season of course) my impression is that things have changed a bit, but not fundamentally. At least not yet. I did only go to a couple of Perimeter Road bars, but I chatted with a bargirl I spent time with on my last trip and we have a good relationship. Barfining, at least in the traditional sense, is definitely suspended. What Lu told me is that if a girl wants to leave work early she has to pay the bar (you'll never guess who gives her the money to do so!). She didn't say that the guy would then have to pay her in the morning, but I suggest no one should be dumb enough not to check exactly what the deal would be before handing over anything. It's perhaps no surprise to learn that High Society is booming as a business. A lot more girls going there after work as more guys will be looking for a girl there under the current restrictions. Talking to the ABC staff, it is generally pretty quiet. A reflection of the low season but also news of the crackdown has put off some visitors. I was told that the crackdown didn't make any difference at the ABC as the girls weren't barfined. They are going to a customers room to give a 'massage'.

But as I said, my excursion was on Perimeter Road and didn't go into Fields at all last night. My plan was based around meeting up with a girl who works in a restaurant and got off work at 11pm. I got off just a little bit after 11pm and we had a great night! She's going to stay with me for a couple of days and I hope to see if all the online declarations of filthy and obscene things she likes to do with her clothes off are genuine or just monger bait! I will post again in a couple of days on the general situation as I see and hear about it in my travels up and down the long street of shame!

Western787

07-22-13, 10:44

E Z Rhino

07-22-13, 12:35

Looks like they're going to sacrifice AC in a trade to get the USA back into Clark and Subic, probably a back room deal much more significant than this article mentions. Then Hillary can point to the "scourge" in AC as being shut down by her efforts the first 4 years and then claim its the template to go in to all the other 'human trafficked" parts of the world and tell them what to do, and use it to run for President with. Now I suspect Manilla itself will be largely unaffected, and perhaps more significant now than before.

http://apdforum.com/en_GB/article/rmiap/articles/online/features/2013/07/12/philippines-military-basesLet me see if I got this straight. They're going to bring the military back to Clark. But as part of the same plan, leave the servicemen without brothels. Okaaay.

They just going to tell them to rub one out in the shower? Or is this some kind of don't-ask-don't-tell 2. 0 where they train soldiers to give each other the reach-around?

That said, get ready for 8 years of president Hillary.

Sammon

07-22-13, 12:58

Let me see if I got this straight. They're going to bring the military back to Clark. But as part of the same plan, leave the servicemen without brothels. Okaaay.

They just going to tell them to rub one out in the shower? Or is this some kind of don't-ask-don't-tell 2. 0 where they train soldiers to give each other the reach-around?

That said, get ready for 8 years of president Hillary.Let us get back to our exploits in AC. Leave the politics to politicians. AC is going to change but I do not think will be completely closed down. Right now fields avenue is the target. Let us see.

Member #4698

07-22-13, 13:31

get ready for 8 years of president Hillary.Eight years of Obama and putting up with the Walking Dead is enough for me. America has changed dramatically for the worse over the last 5 – 6 years. Its getting hard to recognize my country which once was the land of the free, home of the brave. It is becoming Zombie Land. If Hillary gets anointed that will be the final writing on the wall for me. Adiós muchachos. I'll move to Australia and hope to become an Australian citizen. I just hope the Ausies will let a homeless American refugee in.

CJTraveller

07-23-13, 04:11

Guys, is that it? The game is up and we all, at the stroke of a pen, are sex trafficking crimes?

Hard to believe, but my reading of the forum forces me to pull out an atlas and wonder, where, oh where does a fun loving mongerer go now? Pattaya? Oh my good gawd!

Really, I am finding it very very difficult to conceive of life without a delicious LBFM to help start another day in the tropics, and a different one tomorrow, and another the day after that! Boo Hoo.

I hope someone will tell me ain't so.It Ain't So,

The rules and environment might evolve (slowly) , but P4P is governed by the law of supply and demand. The two will always find a way to meet. The supply is quite high in certain parts of Asia, which has caused price to be quite low by global standards. To a westerner used to the opposite (low supply, high price) , quality can be had in abundance, at a price that makes it well worth the travel cost and worth the time and uncertainty of a trip, for those of a certain adventurous mindset. We on this board are a bit rigorous, of a sort.

Government intervention can only change the rules slightly and add to the uncertainty slightly. It will not change the market within which supply and demand find ways to meet, at least not overnight.

Feel better?

Member #4566

07-23-13, 04:41

I have been here about two weeks and I have been to the disco girlie bars just once. This is what happened. I asked a dancing girl to have a drink with me. She was very pretty and when she sat with me she was personable and affectionate. But when I popped the barfine question, she tells me that she is on the rag. Well if a female is menstruating one week out of a month or one-fourth of the time, then it stands to reason that 25% of the girls are out of commission at any given time. Factor in the presence of cherry girls and the odds get smaller. In the past it seems that I have to ask about 4 girls before I will get one to accept a barfine. That is a lot of roadwork. Plus the cost of a barfine has gone through the ceiling. Well as it happens, on my first night, I met some girls in front of a music place on MacArthur. They needed money for rent. I obliged. I went to their house with their sisters and cousins and Aunties and uncles. For the last 2 weeks I have been having these girls instead of the bargirls. It has been great. Today we will all go swimming together.

E Z Rhino

07-23-13, 20:42

From what I gather from reading the PI boards, the atmosphere is very tense. The ex-pats and frequent visitors are saying they call the girls directly to come to their apartments / hotel rooms so they don't have to visit the bars. That's fine for guys with a cell phone full of numbers, but impossible for infrequent visitors to AC. The guys who nevertheless visit the AC bars say its not a comfortable feeling to keep constantly looking over your shoulder and wondering whether the cops are going to bust in. The stress shows on the girls as well. Some are reluctant to deal with customers they don't already know because they are worried about a set up. Many have gone home and some bars are noticeably short of girls, according to some reports.I'm sorry mate but this is just bollocks. I had never been to AC, I flew in cold just 5 days ago, had no problem buying tail. "Certainly there's a problem, but it's nowhere near the magnitude often given." Let's stick to first time reports. For those who dare, like me, there's plenty of supply to choose from, since Evil has scared off himself and many others. Let's stick to mongering, not fear mongering. This stuff is just made up out of whole cloth out of people's imaginations. From people who are there now mmmmkay? My impression was, its very laid back, and out of the 80 bars, yeah 2 or 3 of them had a closed sign taped to them, big deal.

WestCoast1

07-23-13, 21:20

I'm sorry mate but this is just bollocks.I'm with Rhino here. I was there a few weeks ago, for about one week. I pulled easily over a dozen girls. Fields bars, ST bars, FL, and a chatmate. Regarding tenseness and barfining, the only ones who were tense about it were some of the fields bars in discussing it in the bars. They simply changed their tactics to get the girls out of the bars. Lets not get hung up on semantics: I barfined in all of those bars. I gave up money to have a girl. Whether the bar used the term 'barfine', or whether I purchased a large number of drinks, or whether I just paid the girl the barfine amount the next day, its all a 'barfine'. And I did all of those. The bars were most interested in getting the girls out of the bars.

To drive the point home, on 3 occasions I went into Fields bars with the following Modus Operandi. Walk in, don't sit down, walk around and look at the girls, see if there's a cutie I liked. Ignore the waitress following asking to seat me and get me a drink. Then, turn to her and ask the current barfine procedure. Once she explained it to me, I approached the cutie and said into her ear: "Do you want to go with me? I need X, Y, and Z tonight. Interested?" No chat. No lady's drink. No nothing. Not a single girl winced and looked at me funny. Twice the girl said yes and went to change clothes. On the other occasion she said no, but she pointed to another girl, her 'fwend', and went to get the friend. I re-asked the friend the same thing. Off we went. See it? No sit, no drink, no LD, just a barfine (of several different methods mentioned above). The only ones nervous are the bar owners. Even though Camelot got raided, the bars next door went right on barfining.

Mr Enternational

07-25-13, 06:27

Girls go with guys and the girl gets paid later. Hey, if it makes a 'runner' less likely then in some ways the new regime is helping the punter!Ain't helping me none. The few times that I have barfined that is the way I have done it.

Sky Ryder

07-27-13, 10:01

If I walk into Pony Tails (or pick someplace else if you like) at 7PM and find a cute girl dancing on the stage and ask her over and buy a drink, decide that I would like to enjoy a few hours in adult fun, there is no way that she will leave the premises with me at that time.

If that is true, then the last trip I made to AC in June will have to last me for a LONG time and one of the best places to enjoy the pleasures of a lady (or multiple ladies) in a short time, on a decent budget has died.

Here's to believing in the "Phoenix".

Amadeuss

07-27-13, 10:36

Yes. Me. Lots of others. My dick is still wet. My wallet is still (slightly) lighter. Okay? People are still having sex. Fornicating, adultering, and wh*remongering. In AC. While we speak. Any questions?

Don't trust trolls who recently joined and who have very very posts, all of which are disinformation. Take full advantage of the site's ignore list feature.There are totally different reports from other mongers, not trolls, here on the board. Can you please tell us your special "modus operandi". Or name the bars you and all of your friends were sucessfull taking out girls.

E Z Rhino

07-27-13, 11:24

There are totally different reports from other mongers, not trolls, here on the board. Can you please tell us your special "modus operandi". Or name the bars you and all of your friends were sucessfull taking out girls.I've decided to not feed the trolls and just stay out of all the gossip in the AC thread. I'm going to put positive energy into furthering our hobby, starting by creating the following list of Reports of Distinction. http://bit.ly/1cbgKdF

I hope that contribution, and the fact that, like you, I've been posting since 2006, is satisfactory sir. Ignoring all the disinformation, trolls, and fearmongers, I went to AC solo, just last weekend, a BJ bar happily accepted my 700 pesos at their cash register at 10AM for a ST romp upstairs. A bar on Fields at 3PM, the mamasan asked me for 1400 and I gave her the cash. Fortune favors the bold. Next time maybe I'll use some of the new non-straight-BF techniques.

John Traveller

07-27-13, 18:35

Yes, AC is still the place to go and I have already made plans for another trip next year.

A word of caution for posting on this board in times like these: Remember that this is an open site and everybody can read it. Be careful not to post details on specific bars and how-to do things there and naming that specific bar. Just a thought.

All bars are pretty much back to normal. I recently returned. There was a scare for a few days. But as usual. After a few days everything was back to normal.

Wicked Roger

07-29-13, 02:25

I have just left AC after a week. My posts on how I found things are at odds with the opinion that things have irretrievably changed in Angeles regarding men procuring women. So folks will have to be informed by what they read from mongers visiting Angeles and their posts.

Just before I left I was talking with one bargirl who thought that any crackdown would be inconsistent and short lived if for only because the local authorities derived such significant income from the bars and any long term reduction of historic revenues equates to self-harming.

On a lighter note, I was in High Society on Friday night with a bargirl (Facebook acquaintance) and her older sister & other bargirl friends. Some came back to my room for a drink, the sister went off with another guy to his hotel. Whilst with me later on, my girl got a call from her sister who was now back with her American boyfriend & he wanted to say his goodbyes to my friend as he was leaving the next day. So to summarise: the American guy's loyal bargirl gf celebrates his last night by picking up a guy in HS for a quick fuck (very quick and unsatisfying apparently) before nipping back to his side to say "Come back soon, hun, miss you already"! My girl said her sister was feeling very horny. Well that's all right then!The girl has a good point. "why bite the hand that fees you so well". Yes things may change but not drastically IMHO.

As for the Facebook story I was very amused as have a similar one where I am. The girls posts lots of photos of her Aussie boyfriend, shout out about how much she loves him, had a trip overseas etc. And just before he arrived and immediately after he left she was in my bed (with her best friend) while texting him her undying love while lying in bed. As I explained to a friend,"pinay undying forever love" last as long as you are paying and with them in many cases.

WestCoast1

07-29-13, 03:21

I believed they had a "good time" on the Titanic too for a time after it hit the iceberg. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement by Harry the Horse.You're making my case. His statements (posted on the same date on his site) are somewhat ambivalent. The winds of change blow, but none of us (including Harry) know what that is. Correct me if my history is wrong, but multiple times in the past decade a number of bars switched to differing kinds of barfines. How is this time any different from those? Maybe it is, but you, me, Harry, and Matt aren't privy.

Western787

07-29-13, 03:45

You're making my case. His statements (posted on the same date on his site) are somewhat ambivalent. The winds of change blow, but none of us (including Harry) know what that is. Correct me if my history is wrong, but multiple times in the past decade a number of bars switched to differing kinds of barfines. How is this time any different from those? Maybe it is, but you, me, Harry, and Matt aren't privy.If the Mayor is happy with bar fines being ended, while "go arounds" take their place, then things could return to semi normal. But that is mere form over substance, so where is the victory for Hillary to claim credit for ending the "scourge"? I do concede however, that THAT could be the actual deal, and the headline (so to speak) will be "Hillary cleans up Fields Ave" and the american public won't know or care about "go arounds" and Hillary gets her issue. I guess that is at least theoretically possible. It does have a certain logic to it, because otherwise we're talking about a major economic hit on the Angeles City economy.

Meanwhile this return to the cold war by proxy looks to be on track. One must ask, where is the Philippines going to get all these funds to fix up these naval and air bases? Obviously the USA that will just print it up as they've done with everything else.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20130728_Subic_Bay_decision_could_mean_more_US_troops_in_Philippines.html

Ice Raj

07-29-13, 03:52

Hi Guys,

I was in AC from the 25th to the 28th of July for a short visit. I visited most of the bars on Fields and stayed at Galaxy Hotel (centre of Fields?). I can assure all of you there were no issues with Barfines. Yes they were calling it all sorts of things such as "Party Animal" and one bar (Voo.) asks us to sign a chit saying no one from the bar is following you home (then the bar girl of your choice dresses up, you pay "Mama" the BF and walk away happily!). Quite simple if you ask me! One bar was saying you had to buy 16 drinks in a row for the girl of your choice. Once you pay for the 16 drinks she dresses up and follows you!

I Barfined at mid-day once then on another day at 11pm. All the time there were no issues.

I thought the smaller bar's such as Hollywood's girl's services were more personal than the bigger ones such as Genesis but still the fact is, if I wanted a girl and she was mot menstruating, I would be able to get her!

Also I think there has been a drop in visitors. So many girls and so very few guys. So you are all invited to go down to AC to party my mates!.)

Cheers!

Regards,

Ice.

PS : Manila airport was not as chaotic as I expected!

BrainDrain

07-29-13, 04:32

Just finishing off another great trip to Philippines.

Night 1.

Knowing that I was arriving into town late and had a work breakfast meeting at 6:30 I didn't have tie to go out. I invited one of my old flames from a previous trip to meet me 30 minutes after my hotel arrival. All good. P1, 000 donation for overnight stay. Hotel is in walking distance of her house, so not even a trike payment.

Night 2.

Arranged to meet another revisit from last year. She cam to my hotel after work at 5pm. SPent some time with her, again P1000 then I cleared her. She's in a committed relationship with another girl so she doesn't stay out. Then later met up with a contact from a dating site. She wanted to bring a friend and we shared some pizza. Treated that date as an investment for the future. Didn't get her back to the room.

Night 3.

Another beauty from a previous trip. She works in a bar now so she asked for barfine of P1, 850. She is beautiful and a great showoff. She really loved to work the mirrors in the room. Good time at night and the following morning. I'm still deciding if to post a discrete pic of her.

Night 4.

First night in the bars. Atlantis, Club Asia, Camelot. All good. Barfines ranging from P1, 800. P3, 000. The higher end was for a green badge girl at Atlantis. Strolled around some back streets and found a music bar "oldies" or something. Had an aging Filipino bank playing. Nice waitresses etc. Took one home for P1, 350.

Night 5.

Edit: Forgot that I fitted in a visit to blow job alley and enjoyed a P800 time with one of the professionals that work in the bars there.

Later that night girlfriend arrived from Manila from a prospect trip from a visit earlier this year. She joined me at the hotel, dinner at Iguana's mexican restaurant. My next working day she spent beside the pool. She got hit upon to which she replied to the hopeful guy that she was with her 'husband'. I guess she got to enjoy her fantasy as well.

Night 6.

Relocated with girlfriend to P Burgos in Manila. Quite an eye opener for her. She has legitimate professional job in Manila so she wasn't that comfortable there. Although to perform as well as she does at 24 years of age I think she has certainly seen her fair share of 'sideline' visitors. Managed to fit in a visit for a relaxing massage with one of the girls from the massages places along Burgos. All good for P500 HJ.

Going to miss Philippines. But most importantly, AC continues to be open for action.

X Man

07-29-13, 06:26

Husband? I guess it worked!

I was with a petite and cute little thing at the mall once. I see an old git nearby with an equally petite and cute little thing. At some point the other girl comes up and talks to my girl. Later I ask what was up. Apparently, old git sent his girl over to see if my girl would like to join HIM. I was tempted to have words with the old git, but thought better of it. No reason to fight over sand while at the beach. X.

Thanks for the interesting post BD. X.

Just finishing off another great trip to Philippines.

SNIP.

Later that night girlfriend arrived from Manila from a prospect trip from a visit earlier this year. She joined me at the hotel, dinner at Iguana's mexican restaurant. My next working day she spent beside the pool. She got hit upon to which she replied to the hopeful guy that she was with her 'husband'. .

Red Kilt

07-29-13, 12:17

Those of you who think that AC is the 'center of the universe' insofar as Philippines tourism is concerned need to understand some basic data.

From Dept of Tourism:

- Tourism represents only 7% of the Philippines economy (The Government wants it increased to 11% by 2016, and is hoping the 'It's More Fun. Program will yield that increase)

- There were 4. 27M international arrivals in 2012

- 1. 2M were unaccompanied foreign males (including those on business trips)

- 3. 07M were 'couples' arriving as part of a group (single females was an insignificant group)

- South Koreans represent 25% of all foreign arrivals.

- 37. 5M domestic airline trips were made in 2012.

- The domestic tourism sector is seen as 6 times larger than the international sector (for example. 60% of tourists in Boracay were locals)

- Foreigners stay an average 9 days in the country.

- Kababayans (returning overseas residents) and other locals stay in holiday destinations on average 19 days.

- 90% of arrivals in the Philippines arrive through NAIA in Manila.

The Department of Tourism wants to move visitors more easily away from Manila, Cebu and Davao to other parts of the country by better domestic air connectivity.

Philippines tourism depends very heavily on LOCAL DOMESTIC TOURISM. It represents by far the biggest component of the Philippines tourism industry although clearly there is a desire to encourage more international arrivals as stated above. Hotels encourage locals with discounts because they form such a huge proportion of the travelling population. Rather surprisingly, as shown above. 60% of the visitors to Boracay are LOCALS.

Given that only 7% of the economy derives from tourism, then clearly the economy of AC as a sub-component of that is a very minor part of the national scene. Nobody will take much notice of any factors impacting on the AC economy as it is a mere blip on the Philippines scene, so attempts to close bars or remove the bar scene etc is generally seen as a local 'turf-war 'battle. AC is my least-favored place in the Philippines and I am probably part of the huge majority of people here who are not directly concerned with what is happening in this tiny corner of the Philippines.

I think that placing AC in some sort of pivotal position on the battleground in the global fight against prostitution is grossly exaggerating ACs importance. To imagine that a former First Lady is even remotely interested in anything happening in AC is somewhat absurd.

Just my humble opinion as always.

John Traveller

07-29-13, 12:20

No doubt that AC is well alive. All reports point in that direction. This is what the finance people call a buying opportunity! Just come on in and let the girls fight over you!

Hutsori

07-29-13, 14:35

Those of you who think that AC is the 'center of the universe' insofar as Philippines tourism is concerned need to understand some basic data.

Just my humble opinion as always.Informative comment, Red. Puts things into perspective. Koreans on golf holidays probably contribute far more.

BrainDrain

07-29-13, 21:23

- The domestic tourism sector is seen as 6 times larger than the international sector (for example. 60% of tourists in Boracay were locals)Does your data source refer to larger by number of larger by turnover?

For instance, I'm sure the overseas tourist is staying in accommodation that is priced 5-10 times higher than where the locals would stay. The meals are also going to be more expensive plus the overseas visitor is more likely to spend on activities.

Western787

07-29-13, 21:35

I think that placing AC in some sort of pivotal position on the battleground in the global fight against prostitution is grossly exaggerating ACs importance. To imagine that a former First Lady is even remotely interested in anything happening in AC is somewhat absurd.You really don't get it. Hillary is not merely an ex First Lady, she is a former United States Senator, and just finished a 4 year term as the Sec of State, and currently is the most likely Democratic Presidential nominee in 2016. And since the economy is not getting any better, she is looking for other issues to divert the public's attention, and has already in fact been at the forefront of the entire hysteria connected to "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)". If innocents get caught up in the witch hunt and get sent away for long prison sentences, she could care less, just as she didn't care about leaving those Seals to die in Libya, simply to help Obama win an election. With her and her husband, its about winning at all cost, although I personally think in the end she will lose.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9343314/Hillary-Clinton-up-to-27-million-living-in-slavery.html

WillWorth

07-30-13, 00:35

Gentlemen (and others),

There are plenty of us who read this site pretty regularly and don't post (this is my first time). I realize sucking up information and not contributing anything in return is pretty inequitable (so I apologize for being a sponge lo these many years). I have been to Angeles four times (most recently two years ago, but I'm not going to post any two year old field reports. What's the point? I will say that I have a few favorites at Dollhouse. One girl has been cherry forever. Each time I go back I ask her if she's still got her V card. And she always does! I have no idea how she makes a living just dancing. She's tall and thin in case you're a regular and you want to try to figure out who I am talking about). As to what's going on now (not two years ago). I had booked a nine day trip for the middle of August, but all the chatter about what a mess things are prompted me to cut that back to four days. Even if the bar scene is a train wreck (heaven's forbid) , I have several DIA prospects lined up and ready to go. Hence, I'm not all that worried (nine days, however, had me worried). I will absolutely post field reports and provide daily feedback as to the situation on the ground. (Check for my upcoming reports in Thailand as well). Wrapping up my first ever post. I'd like to take a moment to thank all those people who have contributed over the years. I was a newb once. Feeling like I walked into "Full Metal Jacket" as the girls called out for me,"Handsome man. Come here." I'm not sure any of them actually said,"Me love you long time," but I imagine they did when I recall the moment. Let me be clear on this point. I love AC for what it is. I don't go there for culture. I don't go there for stimulating conversation. I don't go there for eco-tourism. So why do I go there? Well. When they asked Dillinger why he robbed banks, he said,"Because that's where the money is." I go to AC because that's where the girls are. If they go somewhere else, I shall go somewhere else as well. I hope it doesn't happen, but at least I had a few good years at the Mecca of Mongering. Oh. And kudos to the PI tourist department. Indeed, it is more fun in the Philippines!

FreebieFan

07-30-13, 01:51

Those of you who think that AC is the 'center of the universe' insofar as Philippines tourism is concerned need to understand some basic data.

From Dept of Tourism:

- Tourism represents only 7% of the Philippines economy (The Government wants it increased to 11% by 2016, and is hoping the 'It's More Fun. Program will yield that increase)

- There were 4. 27M international arrivals in 2012

- 1. 2M were unaccompanied foreign males (including those on business trips)

- 3. 07M were 'couples' arriving as part of a group (single females was an insignificant group)

- South Koreans represent 25% of all foreign arrivals.

- 37. 5M domestic airline trips were made in 2012.

- The domestic tourism sector is seen as 6 times larger than the international sector (for example. 60% of tourists in Boracay were locals)

-.

Philippines tourism depends very heavily on LOCAL DOMESTIC TOURISM. It represents by far the biggest component of the Philippines tourism industry although clearly there is a desire to encourage more international arrivals as stated above. Hotels encourage locals with discounts because they form such a huge proportion of the travelling population. Rather surprisingly, as shown above. 60% of the visitors to Boracay are LOCALS.

Given that only 7% of the economy derives from tourism, then clearly the economy of AC as a sub-component of that is a very minor part of the national scene. Nobody will take much notice of any factors impacting on the AC economy as it is a mere blip on the Philippines scene, so attempts to close bars or remove the bar scene etc is generally seen as a local 'turf-war 'battle. AC is my least-favored place in the Philippines and I am probably part of the huge majority of people here who are not directly concerned with what is happening in this tiny corner of the Philippines.

I think that placing AC in some sort of pivotal position on the battleground in the global fight against prostitution is grossly exaggerating ACs importance. To imagine that a former First Lady is even remotely interested in anything happening in AC is somewhat absurd.Well said Sir. I think we all overestimate the value of our own importance. We see dirt poor folk and figure everyone is.

Know one realises that Ayala Alabang now has houses that are generally all worth US2 million each. With Forbes Park houses being double.

Standard 150sq metre apartments in the new builds in Makati Ave Ayala Ave and Fort Bonifacio are all in the US$ 500, 000 category.

Much as we would wish otherwise, the Philipiines isn't as poor as it used, to be and our level of importance, as visitors, to its economy is declining by the day as a result.

Red Kilt

07-30-13, 01:57

You really don't get it. Hillary is not merely an ex First Lady, she is a former United States Senator, and just finished a 4 year term as the Sec of State, and currently is the most likely Democratic Presidential nominee in 2016.I think you missed the main point I was making but anyway, my final paragraph was an addendum and I still think AC is not even a blip on most people's radar.

Wicked Roger

07-30-13, 02:37

I think you missed the main point I was making but anyway. My final paragraph was an addendum and I still think AC is not even a blip on most people's radar.Western wears his Republican Obama hating heart on his sleeve and in his FR LOL so I don't think he understood the nuance of what you were saying RK LOL.

Your point is well made, and the tourism numbers to the Philippines are not fantastic see the link below. Many prefer to go elsewhere.

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/07/28/1022321/phl-has-one-lowest-tourist-arrivals-southeast-asia

Basically AC is a pimple on the backside of en elephant and many don't care unless they lose some income from it. Is the same anywhere in the world with small town politics. Its importance (current and past) IMHO is due to the proximity of the US military bases of the past (and likely in the future if the press is to be believed). Go there and see the number of ex vets etc. All living in the past unfortunately.

The country needs investment and cash, it needs to improve its credit rating, recent polls / surveys suggest the country still is not doing great at helping the poor etc but unless it has cash it can't start new projects. So IMHO all this activity is the pinays doing things to please the pay masters and Hillary et al don't care. They see the statistics and quote it only but really don't care. Given the poor education system in the USA many won't even know where the Philippines is let alone AC so RK is correct in his assumption.

I have visitied AC and like many, it is not my first port of call in the Philippines, not even my 4th port LOL but I will go with mates who need to see the seeder side of life also and experience AC as they have read all about it. YMMV and flavours differ but for those who think AC is pivotal as RK says I believe they are mistaken. If it disappears from AC it will reappear elsewhere. This is the Philippines and many are very inventive

PS Western if you need to understand the USA economy and why it is so screwed up blame the Republicans who took a huge budget surplus into a huge trillion $ debt in a matter of 8 years. Lots of sound and unbiased articles on that (and Libya) if search online. You can't blame someone for trying to sort out a mess created by a self proclaimed C grade President.

Red Kilt

07-30-13, 02:38

Does your data source refer to larger by number of larger by turnover?

For instance, I'm sure the overseas tourist is staying in accommodation that is priced 5-10 times higher than where the locals would stay. The meals are also going to be more expensive plus the overseas visitor is more likely to spend on activities.It seems logical to think like that but 6 locals spending $20 per day is still more than 1 foreigner spending $100 per day (these amounts are the computed average amount spent by tourists on holiday.

Without wishing to write an essay on economic tourism (for which I am ill-equipped) , local tourists buy local products, souvenirs, patronise local restaurants and use local transport. All of this is immensely important to the economy, especially outside of Manila. Foreign tourists usually stay in large multi-national chain hotels with less effect on the local scene except for the employment of locals within the hotel service sector as low-level cleaners, room attendants and chefs.

As FF says, there is some serious disposable income floating around the middle class. As many foreign business owners will tell you, you will eventually fail if your market is directed solely towards foreigners since they are a very small part of the overall population of potential customers.

BrainDrain

07-30-13, 07:55

Without wishing to write an essay on economic tourism (for which I am ill-equipped) , local tourists buy local products, souvenirs, patronise local restaurants and use local transport. All of this is immensely important to the economy, especially outside of Manila. Foreign tourists usually stay in large multi-national chain hotels with less effect on the local scene except for the employment of locals within the hotel service sector as low-level cleaners, room attendants and chefs.That makes sense.

BrainDrain

07-30-13, 08:04

When I first visited AC about a year ago I could really sense the ability to be anonymous. So many mongers from all over the world, so many bars, so many options. Well after a year of visits of various durations I can say that I am now recognised.

When I was at one bar talking to a lady there was another bar girl giving me generous smiles which I took as just being overly friendly. Eventually I asked her to sit down, she looked pretty. When she introduced her name I certainly recalled literally cuming across her before. Her new hair style, new bar, different style of clothing all made her look quite different but once the memory was triggered I laughed.

Which made me realise it is a much smaller town than I thought.

Then thinking about the parade of girls that go through the ABC Hotel foyer, the doormen are so discrete and don't 'recognise' them, the receptionists avert their eyes, meanwhile all the time knowing that they must see the same girls each week or two. I guess they would know the stars, and the fails.

Can't wait to get back there again.

BD

ThatGuy865

07-30-13, 16:16

Socker

07-30-13, 22:32

Western wears his Republican Obama hating heart on his sleeve and in his FR LOL so I don't think he understood the nuance of what you were saying RK LOL.

Your point is well made, and the tourism numbers to the Philippines are not fantastic see the link below. Many prefer to go elsewhere.

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/07/28/1022321/phl-has-one-lowest-tourist-arrivals-southeast-asia

Basically AC is a pimple on the backside of en elephant and many don't care unless they lose some income from it. Is the same anywhere in the world with small town politics. Its importance (current and past) IMHO is due to the proximity of the US military bases of the past (and likely in the future if the press is to be believed). Go there and see the number of ex vets etc...WC (Fields) haha, couldn't resist

From where I stand the anti prostitution efforts are coming from the newly twisted radical left Democratic Party. I was a proud Demo for 56 yrs. Of my life but no more, the party has changed from a middle left party to a radical politically correct party. They are behind the current pressure on p4p in the PI. The news media, movie media, the IJM (Bill Gates / Hillary Clinton) are pushing the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) terminology in order to get more traction and impact on the gullible US public. The new dems have taken all the dirty tricks the Republicans used the last 50 years and improved on them. In my town if you get caught hiring a hooker you can go to,"John School" to get the ticket removed from your record. The John School is run by ex-hooker's who hate men and sex and indoctrinate their beliefs on sex and morality. According to them, consensual adults should not have the right to enter into a sexual agreement. Men are evil for wanting to pay for sex, etc. Etc. These people who support John School are Democrats. They're the sick ones and the media supports this shit. It is unbelievable and truly repressive here in California because of the (invincible / dirty trick) ruling party (the dems). This is how I see it and I have no stake in Dem vs. Rep. I would rather still be a Dem but I still (and always will) have principals.

Also best to you WC, hoping to return to PI next Feb if I am still allowed free travel.

Garry Smith

07-31-13, 02:53

Upload new photo bro.

Garry Smith

07-31-13, 02:55

Very informative info. Tq bro.

Those of you who think that AC is the 'center of the universe' insofar as Philippines tourism is concerned need to understand some basic data.

From Dept of Tourism:

- Tourism represents only 7% of the Philippines economy (The Government wants it increased to 11% by 2016, and is hoping the 'It's More Fun. Program will yield that increase)

- There were 4. 27M international arrivals in 2012

- 1. 2M were unaccompanied foreign males (including those on business trips)

- 3. 07M were 'couples' arriving as part of a group (single females was an insignificant group)

- South Koreans represent 25% of all foreign arrivals.

- 37. 5M domestic airline trips were made in 2012.

- The domestic tourism sector is seen as 6 times larger than the international sector (for example. 60% of tourists in Boracay were locals)

- Foreigners stay an average 9 days in the country.

- Kababayans (returning overseas residents) and other locals stay in holiday destinations on average 19 days.

- 90% of arrivals in the Philippines arrive through NAIA in Manila.

The Department of Tourism wants to move visitors more easily away from Manila, Cebu and Davao to other parts of the country by better domestic air connectivity.

Philippines tourism depends very heavily on LOCAL DOMESTIC TOURISM. It represents by far the biggest component of the Philippines tourism industry although clearly there is a desire to encourage more international arrivals as stated above. Hotels encourage locals with discounts because they form such a huge proportion of the travelling population. Rather surprisingly, as shown above. 60% of the visitors to Boracay are LOCALS.

Given that only 7% of the economy derives from tourism, then clearly the economy of AC as a sub-component of that is a very minor part of the national scene. Nobody will take much notice of any factors impacting on the AC economy as it is a mere blip on the Philippines scene, so attempts to close bars or remove the bar scene etc is generally seen as a local 'turf-war 'battle. AC is my least-favored place in the Philippines and I am probably part of the huge majority of people here who are not directly concerned with what is happening in this tiny corner of the Philippines.

I think that placing AC in some sort of pivotal position on the battleground in the global fight against prostitution is grossly exaggerating ACs importance. To imagine that a former First Lady is even remotely interested in anything happening in AC is somewhat absurd.

Just my humble opinion as always.

BrainDrain

07-31-13, 05:50

Take a trip down MacArthur Hwy into the city area. See if anyone calls your name then.Actually I met a girl at AUF McDonalds, do I need further?

But I get your point. I will get out more next trip.

Western787

07-31-13, 10:02

www.investphilippines.info/arangkada/expanded-anti-trafficking-in.

This is the (Expanded) Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act of 2012 (RA 10364) passed last year, and apparently written by Hillary Clinton's State Dept and forced upon the Philippines, and now State is dictating to the Philippines that they start enforcing it. Basically "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" is so broadly defined in this Act, it can virtually include anything.

Dars Veider

07-31-13, 16:27

ThatGuy865

07-31-13, 17:45

Tune Hotel in Bangkok.

Guys,

Just two short questions:

1- is the Tune Hotel in Angeles girl-friendly? Any problems / experiences?

2. How big are the rooms? I have been to the Tune Hotel at the LCCT in KL. These rooms were so small. You could hardly turn around. So I would like to know how big they are in Angeles.

Thanks for any reply.

Cheers,

DVTune Hotels are the same everywhere. Small rooms, a charge for each amenity wanted.

That is their concept. Their target market is the "short stay / layover" types really.

ALL Hotels in AC are girl friendly.

Western787

07-31-13, 20:13

If the Philippines would merely clarify what the actual law is, and how it would be enforced, then Fields could perhaps return to some level of semi normal, but that does not seem likely now.

Its not impossible for a situation where Tourist A goes to Club X and takes out 19 year old Bar Girl B (using a bar fine, or whatever going around method is in use). B in fact actually is 19 years old, an adult, and gave full consent. However assume the next day she is claiming that she was "forced" to work at Club X. A is then arrested for having sex with a "trafficked victim", held w / o bail, and if he is older could effectively be facing life in prison.

The extreme danger here comes from the fact there are now vested interests in position to make large amounts of dollars on all the contracts and rebuilding and so forth should the USA reestablish those bases, and they could bribe bar girls to set targets up. These same vested interests would like nothing better than seeing Fields Ave take a major hit, enough that it would impress State and kick start those dollar inflows.

Nor can A (now in prison) expect any help from the western MSM, and for example ABC's Nightline will be painting him as a "trafficking" monster of some type, and the very source of the entire problem, visiting the Phliippines to seek young women for P4P. The american public meanwhile will swallow it lock, stock, and barrel.

The situation is actually worse than I've described because the laws are now so vague, its not even clear whether a bar girl has to say she was "forced", as her mere presence working in such a bar could itself be deemed sufficient to support of claim of "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)"

This could be a perfect storm, a confluence of events all coming together at one place and time, and could be the most dangerous mongering situation in the world right now outside of North Korea, Afghanistan, and other extreme muslim countries.

Member #4698

07-31-13, 22:03

The situation is very high riskBlah, blah, blah. All the bars that were closed are back up and running. (OEW which was voluntarily closed will be back up soon.) It has been 10 days or longer since the last raid. Girls are being barfined. Guys in AC are ALL, I repeat, ALL reporting that they are having good times. Only a handful of bars were raided. No farang customer was ever arrested during this crackdown. And still you drone on and on with all this end of the world paranoia crap. (Hillary Clinton is coming to get us and lock us up forever. OMG! What can I do?) What the fuck is your problem, dude? These crackdown/bar raids have become regularly recurring events every rainy season for at least the last 3 years. It is all about shaking the money tree. I am sure they will occur again next year.

But thanks, W for your input. You have been a great help spreading your paranoia. But, you and Mcob have succeeded in one thing. You have had a chilling effect on the flow of information relating to our favorite hobby on this thread. Your presence here has thoroughly discouraged BM’s like myself from posting trip reports mentioning favorite bars along with favorite bar girls.

ThatGuy865

07-31-13, 22:13

If the Philippines would merely clarify what the actual law is, and how it would be enforced, then Fields could perhaps return to some level of semi normal, but that does not seem likely now.

Its not impossible for a situation where Tourist A goes to Club X and takes out 19 year old Bar Girl B (using a bar fine, or whatever going around method is in use). B in fact actually is 19 years old, an adult, and gave full consent. However assume the next day she is claiming that she was "forced" to work at Club X. A is then arrested for having sex with a "trafficked victim", held w / o bail, and if he is older could effectively be facing life in prison.There are a ton of reason why they would not do this. Once word got out that "The customers" are being busted. It would scare off the casual players too. Hurting tourism PI wide big time.

1st they would have to prove you bar fined the girl for sex. And it wasn't of her own free will. After all there is no 'Bar fine". The bar owner are going to incriminate themselves to say you did. They will say no. So there is no proof against the customer. They would need a undercover cop poising as a bar girl. So she could testify you specifically ask / paid for sex.

Secondly. Legitimate Business men have meetings / conferences in Manila. Where women company (wink wink) is apart. The guys who come to dive. But also do.

These are not mongers, but they do come to the PI in part becos they can partake of girls along with their main interest.

The would scare off these types of tourist too. As they would be scared if they partied with a girl the same could happen to them. Word would spread like wild fire.

Bar fine a girl in PI and you get 20yrs. It would dramatically reduce tourism especially men.

Employees of the bar are fair game. But, that is why in no raids in the country have they busted customers for "Bar girls". And never will.

Fast Eddie 48

07-31-13, 22:24

Tune Hotel in Bangkok.

Guys,

Just two short questions:

1- is the Tune Hotel in Angeles girl-friendly? Any problems / experiences?

2. How big are the rooms? I have been to the Tune Hotel at the LCCT in KL. These rooms were so small. You could hardly turn around. So I would like to know how big they are in Angeles.

Thanks for any reply.

Cheers, To Dar,

All Tune hotel have cookie cutter room are the same in Bangkok, Manila or AC 14 sq m tiny room with double
bed with 32 inch LCD tv and in room safe, but no frig and mini bar.

Fast Eddie 48

Member #4698

08-01-13, 18:58

Anyway, Here is a list of sporadic raids over the years, which may put the debate into context.
The raid history really puts things in perspective. It is all about running a bar and making payoffs in a corrupt 3rd world country.

Natty – look out for the Diamanda Galas version of Burning Hell if you get chance – it's amazing.Thanks for turning me on to Diamanda Galas. I can't believe I never heard of her before. I will be listening to her music in the next few weeks. She is an original.

John Traveller

08-01-13, 19:16

Margaritastation. Com has a detailed list of the raids, also other news. Balibago. Org also has news from AC. Harry the horse also has "Breaking news". Click on this to see updates between his monthly newsletters. Google news on the other hand does for some strange reason not have links to AC news any more. Maybe the newspapers are tired of reparting on these issues...

Sharka

08-01-13, 23:06

natty – look out for the diamanda galas version of burning hell if you get chance – it's amazing.

anyway, here is a list of sporadic raids over the years, which may put the debate into context. i think most of the venues listed below are still around (or at least reopened after the raids). one of the bars (voodoo) which was subject to the recent 'fire safety violation' was also raided back in 2008. it is still around.

i put it to you all that that 2013 events are just a continuation of the 'normal' situation, i. e. the mayor and other stakeholders being seen to do something. whilst the tourism value to the nation as a whole is small, the value to the city is significant, and if the raids remove any **** activity, that's good news in my book.

yes; this will change the way things operate a little, but i'm not intending to cancel my planned trip in early 2014 just yet.

summer 2007 – big raids on blue nile, nero's et al. many taken to manila (employees, not customers)

winter 2007 – raids on alaska, angels, emotions.

summer 2008 – raids on roadhouse, alaska, king of diamonds, voodoo (not closed). agasya and las vegas (employees taken away)

spring 2009 – valhalla, edelweiss, icarus.

summer 2010 – dirty duck, forbidden city, pony tails, camelot.

summer 2011 – golden nile, blue nile, cambodia, honey pot,

autumn 2011 – dollhouse, gobbles, dirty duck.

spring 2012 – coyote ugly.

winter 2012 – tight jeans, stampede.

spring 2013 – camelot.

summer 2013 – anglewitch, devilwitch, voodoo, camelot, baby dolls, candy barthere's more but just to list a few: viking, bare assets and eager beaver (some of these were shut down permanently)

WestCoast1

08-01-13, 23:46

There's more but just to list a few: Viking, Bare Assets and Eager Beaver (some of these were shut down permanently)Wasn't Coyote Ugly also closed permanently? Its was not far from Alaska, a few doors down towards Phillies.

Sharka

08-01-13, 23:58

Wasn't Coyote Ugly also closed permanently? Its was not far from Alaska, a few doors down towards Phillies.Yes, Coyote closed (but don't miss it as I never liked this bar or the scams they try to pull) and Alaska's owner had enough BS from cops and City Hall and moved the bar to Subic

Western787

08-02-13, 03:43

(This extra 20 million is just a drop in the bucket as to what's going to follow.)

Manila confirms Washington hiked military aid

By Manolo B. Jara August 02, 2013

Manila: A senior Malacanang Palace official confirmed the US has increased its military assistance from $30 million to $50 million amid Washington's announcement of its nomination of a State Department intelligence officer as its next ambassador to the Philippines.

Secretary Alberto del Rosario of the Department of Foreign Affairs disclosed the increase constituted the highest level of US military assistance to the Philippines in the next fiscal year since 2000 to help strengthen the country's defences in the wake of its unresolved territorial dispute with China in the South China Sea.

With the increase, Del Rosario also said the Philippines might acquire a third Hamilton class cutter from the US to boost patrol of its maritime borders against China's territorial intrusions.

The second of the third cutter, renamed BRP Ramon Alcaraz, is to dock on Friday at the former American naval facility at Subic Bay in Zambales province in Central Luzon after a month-long voyage from the US, according to the Philippine Navy.

The Philippine military has confirmed its plan to transfer its naval and air bases to Subic Bay because of its proximity to the Scarborough Shoal disputed by the country and China in the South China Sea.

China has denounced the transfer, warning it would allow the entry of outside forces which it did not identify and thus, worsen regional tension due to its unresolved territorial disputes in the South China Sea with the Philippines and other Asian neighbours like Vietnam.

This developed as US President Barack Obama announced his nomination of Philip Goldberg as the next American ambassador to the Philippines to replace Harry Thomas whose three-year tour of duty has ended.

On Thursday, however, militant groups in the Philippines led by Bayan (Country) protested Goldberg's nomination, saying he was expelled from Bolivia where he served as the US ambassador for allegedly fomenting civil unrest.

Renato Reyes, the Bayan spokesman, urged President Benigno 'Noynoy' Aquino to reject Goldberg's nomination due to his 'questionable track record' as he warned this would intensify US efforts to intervene in Philippine affairs.

'The (Goldberg) appointment, ' Reyes pointed out, 'says a lot about Philippine-US relations. The Aquino government should be concerned by Goldberg's record. '

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/98408790-b708-4c04-8b4c-205cd106d8d5.aspx

Wicked Roger

08-03-13, 15:33

There's more but just to list a few: Viking, Bare Assets and Eager Beaver (some of these were shut down permanently)This sort of helps sum up the bar closures and re openings, nothing we don't know already, although some seem to crop more often than others.

http://www.margaritastation.com/news_photos/AC%20Bar%20Raids. Pdf

FritsVanegter

08-04-13, 14:19

NomadicMong

08-06-13, 02:23

Guys,

I will be in AC next week for two weeks. I will find out more and post here. Based on my contacts there even yesterday, from both girls working there and bar managers, AC is still like last month when I was there but slow. Anyway, I will find out and post my findings on 12th Aug.

It will certainly a loss if AC changes either swiftly or slowly. I had many years of good time there.

If any of you around next week in AC, just PM me. I mostly hang around lance a lot for the last drink.

Pip Jaeger

08-06-13, 12:16

These days any Catholic priest actually caught with a woman is given some some kind of prizeAnd an adult woman at that! He'll get two alter boys as a prize, LOL.

I'm sure the papal nuncio is working on his get of jail free card and after the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Penitentiary has officially forgiven him of his trespasses the nuncio will quietly transfer him out of the USA (probably already has). Maybe they'll also reward him with a diocese in the PI's and we'll see him in the near future lurking on Fields attempting to spread the holy seed.

E Z Rhino

08-08-13, 05:49

OK one last joke. Related to my explanation of how the church is the biggest pimp on earth.

A rabbi was visiting his old friend, a priest. The rabbi had never seen the practices in the church so he asks his friend if he could attend one of his
sermons. The father says OK. After the sermon the confessions begin. The rabbi asks if he could sit behind and listen to the confessions. The priest agrees. A
young man steps in the confessional and says " Father, Father I have sinned". "What did you do my son" the priest asks. "I slept with three women during the past week." "Are you married?" "No" "You have committed a great sin but I can help you. Pray the lord, sing gospels and hail Mary and donate $100 to the church."

After a few minutes another man enters the confessional and says the same things. The priest asks him to the do the same things and tells him to donate
$100 to the church. At this point the priest gets a phone call and has to leave. Before leaving he asks the rabbi if he could take over the duties for a few minutes and rabbi says "Don't worry. It's a piece of cake."

A few minutes later a young woman enters the confessional. "Father, Father I have sinned." "What did you do my child?" asks the rabbi. "I slept with a married man." "How many men did you sleep with?" asks the rabbi "Just one" "Are you sure you did not sleep with three men?" "Yes , I am sure" The rabbi thinks for a minute and says; "You have definitely committed a sin but I can help you. Pray the Lord, Sing gospels and Hail Marys and donate $100 to the church. And one more thing... The church owes you two fucks!

Mr Enternational

08-08-13, 06:36

I just got on the Victory Liner bus from Manila. The price has gone up to 150.

AfAsia

08-08-13, 09:00

I just got on the Victory Liner bus from Manila. The price has gone up to 150.Had you taken my advice you would have saved yourself 16p and avoided the schlepp across town from south to go north. LOL. Go north from Kaloocan city. You reading bad advice on the forum. Why go south, to go north?

Ekspat

08-08-13, 09:38

Had you taken my advice you would have saved yourself 16pIf someone has to think about 16ps, I guess P4P is the wrong hobby then. Better take up knitting.

Gajith

08-08-13, 18:50

A few minutes later a young woman enters the confessional. "Father, Father I have sinned." "What did you do my child?" asks the rabbi. "I slept with a married man." "How many men did you sleep with?" asks the rabbi "Just one" "Are you sure you did not sleep with three men?" "Yes , I am sure" The rabbi thinks for a minute and says; "You have definitely committed a sin but I can help you. Pray the Lord, Sing gospels and Hail Marys and donate $100 to the church. And one more thing. The church owes you two fucks!This made me laugh at these odd hours :P.

Thanks / G

Wicked Roger

08-09-13, 09:01

This is getting silly if this is to be believed and there is no reason not to.

http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=8055

http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=1284

Am surprised some have not triumphed this as another nail in the coffin. Maybe some people are short of funds but the elections are over LOL

X Man

08-09-13, 13:50

In the twilight zone. Some people really believe that young ladies dance and flirt with the visitors. But never touch them. Welcome to the Cob twilight zone.

ThatGuy865

08-10-13, 02:34

You can believe MC if you want. But I for one. Know for a fact. Girls are doing bar fines. And its no problem.

One. Shit. Two was no problem.

Exoticspirit

08-10-13, 03:23

No girls in the Fields avenue bars we visited were available for barfine, regardless of the way one tries to get around the rules, no party animals available, no trays of shots, no meeting the girls outside or at the hotel routine, Absolutely zero barfines available at the 15 odd bars we visited, many girls were asked by our group, all girls declined barfines of any type.

At the wedding reception dinner the next afternoon I had a chance to have an in depth talk with many pals who have lived in and around Angeles for many years.

My first question, where can one barfine now? Clearly it is not available in any of the Fields avenue bars, is it still available in some of the small bars on perimeter? .If this is indeed true, everyone there from the managers to the girls should realize that there is no more money to be made in AC. Eye candy is available back in our home countries without the airfare.

Western787

08-10-13, 03:49

(duplicate post)

Mr Enternational

08-10-13, 06:24

Heading back home to Thailand after 2 days in AC. On August 16 the departure tax will be raised from 450 pesos to 550 pesos.

John Traveller

08-10-13, 08:25

anyone under the age of 18 is a minor (child)

the age of consent is 12. having sex with someone under the age of 12 whether consensual or not is statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). having sex with a minor aged between 12 and 17 is permissible as long as there is an age difference of less than 10 years. however this should be left to filipinos. as long as the girl is aged 18 and above then it does not matter what age the male is for sexual relations.

there is no age of consent for anyone trafficked into prostitution thus everyone is classified as a child that is trafficked and that means that all prostitutes are now defined as children under the law regardless of that prostitute's age.

many western countries (usa, australia, uk) in an attempt to stamp out the sexual exploitation of minors make it a criminal offence for their nationals to have sex abroad with minors. that is why interpol regard the age of consent in the philippines as 18.

summary for mongers in the philippines:

don't fuck anyone under the age of 18.

be aware that prostitution is illegal.i mostly agree with you.

when it comes to how these laws are applied towards customers in bars nothing has changed in pi in the last years. the customers in bars have thus nothing to worry about. (only in one or two raids customers have been hold, but released shortly after without more problems.) this is not likely to chance. and if it does the chances for exactly you to be caught are extremely small (being at the place at the wrong time.). comparable to the chances of getting in a plane crash (still most of choose to fly). conclusion: it is still nice to come to pi and ac to meet women. further into the future we don't know, so come now!

John Traveller

08-10-13, 09:23

Hello, Have been to AC several times and will go there again in November for two weeks or so. The friendly English speaking girls and the cheapness of it all are the reason to keep returning. If prices will go up a lot or the choice of girls will be limited because of more strict ' law enforcement ' I will just spend more times in other countries in Asia and just spend some more. The girls are usually nice and cheap. The English books are cheap, the English newspapers are not as good as the Thai English newspapers, most people are rather ignorant, they are pious as hell, the food is in general just bad. They are addicted to their phones (but that is getting a problem worldwide) They haven't read a book since they left primary school.

So the girls must be pretty nice to make me return once a year.

The cost of mongering will rise if AC will go down. We will see.

Bangkok did get more expensive too and the attitude of a lot of gilrs did change too. But still can find nice ones, have Bangkok post and the nation and loads of delicious food.

Kind greetings,

FritsAt the moment you should still come to AC (or Subic Bay!) , the business is slow these days but that may change when the high season starts. Various groups have since March 2013 tried to either shut down the scene in AC (not succeeded) or slow it down (succeeded at the moment). First they tried to close the bars by sting operations followed by raiding. Most of these bars reopened and the last raid was on the Viking Bar July 12th (29 days ago). At the moment they have given up that strategy because of lack of evidence. Otherwise they would have shut down all the bars by now.

Secondly, they now try to harass the bars for not comforming to some detailed fire-safety or housekeeping rules (last one was Midnite Rock). The bars then loose income.

Third, IJM and other fundamentalist or extremist foreign NGOs have agents placed in bars, hotel and on-line forums to gather information, cockblock and spread false information to scare. This is in addition to perform sting operation in the bars (which they don't succeed with anymore). The misinformation also take place on this forum. They do this to create a feeling that AC is dangerous, boring and that it's not longer possuble to meet women here. All this is false, but still it makes some customers to stay away and the bars loose income.

Conclusion: You can still come to AC, it's NOT dangerous, just be cautious as to whom you share information. If more customers come the cronies will fail in their third strategy. If you read some older reports in this thread you can find some useful info, but updated info is hard to come by. Also you should not post info on this or other boards that can be used against bars or persons. As for meeting women you have to find out yourself how to do it, and don't tell anyone! Have a nice day!

ThatGuy865

08-10-13, 17:06

I mostly agree with you.

The customers in bars have thus nothing to worry about. (Only in one or two raids customers have been hold, but released shortly after without more problems.) The reason these guys were held is due to them not having any identification. I was held in a raid, they make the customers show I'd, if you don't have I'd with you. If it is local PHP. They will usually allow a friend to go and get it from your Hotel. But if its the NBI out of manila. They may take you to manila and make someone bring it to them there.

The answer to this is always either keep your drivers license with you. Or. Make a copy of your passport and keep on you and you will have no problems.

They do not want to charge or harass customers. this would stop a large amount of tourist completely from coming .

A lot of Business men go to bars throughout the PI. Can you imagine the scare that would put into them and others if it was heard the PI charges bar patrons with [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). If they proposition a woman. Conventions would book elsewhere. The passive tourist who goes diving but also likes a girl for the odd night or two. Would not come. They definitely don't want to ruin tourism completely.

Charging Bar owners / mamasans and the like. No one really cares. The tourist will either go else where in the PI or another bar.

But if ia customer can be charged. Well that means it can happen anywhere in the PI. And that would kill a large number of tourist.

Customers don't have to worry about being charged (with normal aged girls of course). Its the bar owners and mamasans who have to worry.

Mr Enternational

08-11-13, 01:03

I don't really do the bars. I hang out on Blow Row in the day time and go to High Society at night. No problem with barfine on Blow Row. Business as usual. As a matter of fact when I was at my usual spot a guy came in to check all of the IDs. He wrote them down on some form.

I walked past 3 gogos and after the girls propositioned me to come in I asked about the barfine. The first place said no barfine. I said early work release then? She said no. I said well what do you call it now if I want a girl to come with me. She whispered in my ear that drink quota is 1500. The next two places I was also able to get a price under the guise of drink quota after telling them I was not police. The only place that I actually went inside absolutely refused. I talked to several of the girls and the manager. They said I could only drink inside with the girls. What if I want to drink with the girl in my room or in another place? Absolutely not. I don't know the names of any of the bars.

Goatboy55

08-11-13, 09:48

Heading to Phils in September for a week of fun and frolics. Splitting my time 3 nights in AC and 3 nights in Manila to cover all bases. If this is to be the last time I make the trip to AC, will make sure I go out with a bang!

Bundanko

08-11-13, 10:16

Heading back home to Thailand after 2 days in AC. On August 16 the departure tax will be raised from 450 pesos to 550 pesos.The departure tax of P550 was already enforced at Manila NAIA terminal when I departed on 29th July.

Wicked Roger

08-11-13, 10:30

The departure tax of P550 was already enforced at Manila NAIA terminal when I departed on 29th July.Same as Cebu has been for months, some of the cheaper charlies will be upset at losing 100 pesos.

Dominos Dick

08-11-13, 12:44

I have been inspired for long, reading this forum, to make a trip to Angeles City to see and judge for myself on which side of the Angeles City Vs Pattaya debate I lean finally. I planned for this trip in early June and finally got my Philippines visa. It was my "Fuck Visa" to the land of the Pinays. The love for whom has been so well reported across several forums in this website. All was fine but then the dark clouds appeared when Reverand MCobb visited this forum and spread his gospels and the stories of how satanic forces are putting an end to the bars of walking street etc etc. I wanted to hedge my bets so decided to do a day to Macau and further reduced my 3 days maiden Philippines trip to 2 days in Angeles and 1 day in Boracay. This way I thought I atleast see the sights and sounds of Angeles City while relax my frayed nerves just in case Mcobb is correct. The trip to Macau (spend the say in Familie Nobre sauna which I quite liked) from Hong Kong on my way to Clark was a good decision but only from the perspective that I got to fuck some good Viet and Chinese girls. In hindsight this was not required and so was the side trip to Boracay (which I cancelled) because Angeles City turned out to be a City of Angels! I just returned after a 3 day trip hugely satisfied and pleased to report that this bar raids thing and the threat of bar closure is a whole lot of BS. Yes the raids happened but no one is even speaking of it and yes bar fines still exist and I paid it myself.

I stayed at the ABC Hotel. This hotel has already been well reviewed and deserves its credit. Though on the expensive side but "You only Live Once" and I recommend this hotel unless you are on a Budget. The staff is fabulous and the facilities are all good. The "as many towels as you want" policy and complimentary drops come in handy during your several nocturnal hunts. I didn't find Angeles City to be intimidating at all yes its seedy but that's its USP and I found Pinay girls to be lovely.

I landed at 11. 30 pm and was the first guy off the plane (I remembered the ISG advice that there are few immigration counters and line gets long at night hence paid extra to get a 1st row seat in Cebu Pacific flight from Macau) and also the 1st guy at the immigration counter. The immigration officer looked at my passport / visa and after a thoughtful pause gave me a serious look and asked "Why are you here?" To fuck (I said to myself) but stammered "For rest and relaxation". He asked me where I work, thankfully my employment details ended all further investigations and my passport was stamped but only after the officer gave me a "I know why you are here Son of a * look". The ABC Hotel car was waiting for me outside and after a quick check in I asked the hotel driver to take me to a good bar. Asking the driver to be taken to a good bar was a decision which had both a positive and negative consequence. Positive because at that late hour not many bars have a good selection (as I found out during my stay) and so when he took me to Crystal Palace (off Walking street) , I found the selection at 12.20 am to be really good. Almost 30/40 girls and just 3 customers including me. I felt like a King. The choice was incredible and I took 2 girls together for a 3 some. The negative consequence of the decision to ask the hotel driver to be taken to a bar was that I was charged 3000 p per girl (which I suspect is inflated and the driver had his cut) and this was the price benchmark that got established for me at Crystal Palace for the remaining part of my stay. I returned to Crystal Palace later that night and picked up another great looking girl (and returned the first 2 girls, they were great but I wanted more). Fuck this 3rd girl turned out to be almost a virgin- she claimed this was her 2nd time in sex and I sort of believed her because despite all my attempts I couldn't get my dick inside her (unless I hurt her which I didn't want to) , she was so tight. She was 19 and had a body to die for and I finished off rubbing my dick against her * finally LOL. So that was my first night. At the end of this night I decided that I will not go to Boracay the next day because Angeles City rocks and 1 night is anyway too short for Boracay.

The 2nd day, I could hook up with a non pro at a store in the morning. She's a real non pro. A 31 year old lady with 1 kid. I asked her out for coffee in the evening and she agreed to meet at 8.30 after work and that coffee became much more. It was raining a bit and the dark passenger compartment of the trike became quite romantic even amidst the smell of diesel and the danger of getting hit by some bigger vehicle on the road. Eventually she ended up the night with me (and also spent 4 hours on my 3 night). She's still texting me how she misses me etc etc. Against all protestations and refusal I forced in some money in her hands in the pre text of buying her daughter some gifts. The sex with this girl was mind boggling. She was really very good and a great human being. She never gave me any sob stories or asked for anything.

Prior to meeting this non pro in the evening, I went to an establishment famously known as The Black Pearl at the Blow Row on A Santos St. Even though I knew what this place is all about and had also seen some photos of this place on the net, I didn't expect what I saw. It was too basic a place no AC nothing just some bench / stools etc to sit. I wasn't expecting Lolitta of Pattaya here but this was very basic. The choice was also limited as is generally the case in such BJ shops. I picked up 2 and got them back to my hotel. These 2 girls were so happy with ABC Hotel that they gave me a very good service. It was infact slightly difficult to get them off after their 2 hrs Short Time assignment with me. I paid 1500 p total at the shop for these 2 ladies prior to bringing them to my hotel. These 2 ladies were really nice though not the best looked in the shop. The best looker in the shop was more interested in a 70 year old caucasian so I opted for these 2 laides who were treating me like king from the very beginning. I assured them I will come back next day but never did actually.

The 3rd day (my final day) , I went to scout in the Perimeter Bars at about 3 pm. I was frankly quite disappointed with these bars. Went to 3 and its all similar. Small and some really bored girls shaking their ass on the floor and some hostesses moving around. I could see some excitement only when some Korean customers asked for them. I was shocked to be advised in all these 3 bars that I went that they don't allow girls to be taken out and the girls are allowed to sit and drink with the customer inside the premises. I couldn't see any client actually walking out with girls from these places. I suspect that what I was told is not the case and anyways I didn't like any girls there to be taken out. According to me these Perimeter Bars are a waste of time but thats a really personal opinion and I know many forum members have had good luck here and the pricing is also attractive.

However, my advice to the newbies is that if you want to pick up good girls in the afternoon, head to a bar called Ponytails "from the Dollhouse Group" it proudly declares. This bar is just some few shops away from ABC Hotel (walking from ABC to the Fields Avenue its on your right). This place opens at 12 pm and when I went at 5 pm had 182 girls (according to a waitress). Great selection and pricing is 2000 p for Orange tag girls and 1500 p for white tag girls (I was told ST or LT I have to discuss with the girl but price is the same!). Took one girl who turned out to be so so. There are 2 more bars adjacent to Ponytails I didn't check them out but seemed to me to be better than the Perimeters Bars.

In the evening had an appointment with my non pro GF (from the previous day) at 8.30 pm (plan was to say good bye to her at 11 pm and head immediately for the Walking street bars to drown my sorrows in some young pussies in Walking Street) but as luck has it in such cases she got late and ended up meeting me only at 10 pm. I couldn't abandon the meeting plan at this stage. She was such a sweet heart I didn't want to hurt her. Anyway we said goodbye (after some steaming sex) at 1 am. I headed straight to Walking Street after waving goodbye to her trike but alas at that hour Atlantis and all other famous bars had very sparse selections and I really cursed myself. I headed straight to Crystal Palace and it still had some life left. Picked up an waitress from here but still had to pay 3000 p and that's how I ended my 3 night.

In summary, I really loved Angeles and my vote is for Angeles City over Pattaya. Maybe Pattaya was as welcoming and fair priced to mongers 5 or 6 years back and the selection was good but today I frankly am very disappointed with Pattaya's overall quality of girls and pricing. Few go go bars have quality but are very high priced (and I am not allowed as an Indian to get inside some of these gogos) but my City of Angeles is all welcoming. I never faced any racism and was treated very well in all bars and the average girl quality beats Pattaya by far. Again beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder but for me my vote is for a Pinay pussy and their GFE is amazing. Now I know why likes of Westcoast and some other senior mongers vouch for Pinay pussy.

Just a final tip, if anyone is interested in a good massage go to Aleha Massage very close to ABC Hotel and Margaria Station. Its open 24 hours but this place doesn't offer any sexual services no HE here only authentic stuff. Look for a girl for Erica her massages are great

So enjoy the City of Angels and I strongly recommend that UN take this place its list of heritages of the world. We need such places to be preserved well not destroyed as MCobb portends.

Pagal Chacha

08-11-13, 20:30

I have been inspired for long, reading this forum, to make a trip to Angeles City to see and judge for myself on which side of the Angeles City Vs Pattaya debate I lean finally. I planned for this trip in early June and finally got my Philippines visa. It was my "Fuck Visa" to the land of the Pinays. The love for whom has been so well reported across several forums in this website. All was fine but then the dark clouds appeared when Reverand MCobb visited this forum and spread his gospels and the stories of how satanic forces are putting an end to the bars of walking street etc etc. I wanted to hedge my bets so decided to do a day to Macau and further reduced my 3 days maiden Philippines trip to 2 days in Angeles and 1 day in Boracay. This way I thought I atleast see the sights and sounds of Angeles City while relax my frayed nerves just in case Mcobb is correct. The trip to Macau (spend the say in Familie Nobre sauna which I quite liked) from Hong Kong on my way to Clark was a good decision but only from the perspective that I got to fuck some good Viet and Chinese girls. In hindsight this was not required and so was the side trip to Boracay (which I cancelled) because Angeles City turned out to be a City of Angels! I just returned after a 3 day trip hugely satisfied and pleased to report that this bar raids thing and the threat of bar closure is a whole lot of BS. Yes the raids happened but no one is even speaking of it and yes bar fines still exist and I paid it myself.

I stayed at the ABC Hotel. This hotel has already been well reviewed and deserves its credit. Though on the expensive side but "You only Live Once" and I recommend this hotel unless you are on a Budget. The staff is fabulous and the facilities are all good. The "as many towels as you want" policy and complimentary drops come in handy during your several nocturnal hunts. I didn't find Angeles City to be intimidating at all yes its seedy but that's its USP and I found Pinay girls to be lovely.

I landed at 11. 30 pm and was the first guy off the plane (I remembered the ISG advice that there are few immigration counters and line gets long at night hence paid extra to get a 1st row seat in Cebu Pacific flight from Macau) and also the 1st guy at the immigration counter. The immigration officer looked at my passport / visa and after a thoughtful pause gave me a serious look and asked "Why are you here?" To fuck (I said to myself) but stammered "For rest and relaxation". He asked me where I work, thankfully my employment details ended all further investigations and my passport was stamped but only after the officer gave me a "I know why you are here Son of a * look". The ABC Hotel car was waiting for me outside and after a quick check in I asked the hotel driver to take me to a good bar. Asking the driver to be taken to a good bar was a decision which had both a positive and negative consequence. Positive because at that late hour not many bars have a good selection (as I found out during my stay) and so when he took me to Crystal Palace (off Walking street) , I found the selection at 12. 20 am to be really good. Almost 30/40 girls and just 3 customers including me. I felt like a King. The choice was incredible and I took 2 girls together for a 3 some. The negative consequence of the decision to ask the hotel driver to be taken to a bar was that I was charged 3000 p per girl (which I suspect is inflated and the driver had his cut) and this was the price benchmark that got established for me at Crystal Palace for the remaining part of my stay. I returned to Crystal Palace later that night and picked up another great looking girl (and returned the first 2 girls, they were great but I wanted more). Fuck this 3rd girl turned out to be almost a virgin- she claimed this was her 2nd time in sex and I sort of believed her because despite all my attempts I couldn't get my dick inside her (unless I hurt her which I didn't want to) , she was so tight. She was 19 and had a body to die for and I finished off rubbing my dick against her * finally LOL. So that was my first night. At the end of this night I decided that I will not go to Boracay the next day because Angeles City rocks and 1 night is anyway too short for Boracay.

The 2nd day, I could hook up with a non pro at a store in the morning. She's a real non pro. A 31 year old lady with 1 kid. I asked her out for coffee in the evening and she agreed to meet at 8. 30 after work and that coffee became much more. It was raining a bit and the dark passenger compartment of the trike became quite romantic even amidst the smell of diesel and the danger of getting hit by some bigger vehicle on the road. Eventually she ended up the night with me (and also spent 4 hours on my 3 night). She's still texting me how she misses me etc etc. Against all protestations and refusal I forced in some money in her hands in the pre text of buying her daughter some gifts. The sex with this girl was mind boggling. She was really very good and a great human being. She never gave me any sob stories or asked for anything.

Prior to meeting this non pro in the evening, I went to an establishment famously known as The Black Pearl at the Blow Row on A Santos St. Even though I knew what this place is all about and had also seen some photos of this place on the net, I didn't expect what I saw. It was too basic a place no AC nothing just some bench / stools etc to sit. I wasn't expecting Lolitta of Pattaya here but this was very basic. The choice was also limited as is generally the case in such BJ shops. I picked up 2 and got them back to my hotel. These 2 girls were so happy with ABC Hotel that they gave me a very good service. It was infact slightly difficult to get them off after their 2 hrs Short Time assignment with me. I paid 1500 p total at the shop for these 2 ladies prior to bringing them to my hotel. These 2 ladies were really nice though not the best looked in the shop. The best looker in the shop was more interested in a 70 year old caucasian so I opted for these 2 laides who were treating me like king from the very beginning. I assured them I will come back next day but never did actually.

The 3rd day (my final day) , I went to scout in the Perimeter Bars at about 3 pm. I was frankly quite disappointed with these bars. Went to 3 and its all similar. Small and some really bored girls shaking their ass on the floor and some hostesses moving around. I could see some excitement only when some Korean customers asked for them. I was shocked to be advised in all these 3 bars that I went that they don't allow girls to be taken out and the girls are allowed to sit and drink with the customer inside the premises. I couldn't see any client actually walking out with girls from these places. I suspect that what I was told is not the case and anyways I didn't like any girls there to be taken out. According to me these Perimeter Bars are a waste of time but thats a really personal opinion and I know many forum members have had good luck here and the pricing is also attractive.

However, my advice to the newbies is that if you want to pick up good girls in the afternoon, head to a bar called Ponytails "from the Dollhouse Group" it proudly declares. This bar is just some few shops away from ABC Hotel (walking from ABC to the Fields Avenue its on your right). This place opens at 12 pm and when I went at 5 pm had 182 girls (according to a waitress). Great selection and pricing is 2000 p for Orange tag girls and 1500 p for white tag girls (I was told ST or LT I have to discuss with the girl but price is the same!). Took one girl who turned out to be so so. There are 2 more bars adjacent to Ponytails I didn't check them out but seemed to me to be better than the Perimeters Bars.

In the evening had an appointment with my non pro GF (from the previous day) at 8. 30 pm (plan was to say good bye to her at 11 pm and head immediately for the Walking street bars to drown my sorrows in some young pussies in Walking Street) but as luck has it in such cases she got late and ended up meeting me only at 10 pm. I couldn't abandon the meeting plan at this stage. She was such a sweet heart I didn't want to hurt her. Anyway we said goodbye (after some steaming sex) at 1 am. I headed straight to Walking Street after waving goodbye to her trike but alas at that hour Atlantis and all other famous bars had very sparse selections and I really cursed myself. I headed straight to Crystal Palace and it still had some life left. Picked up an waitress from here but still had to pay 3000 p and that's how I ended my 3 night.

In summary, I really loved Angeles and my vote is for Angeles City over Pattaya. Maybe Pattaya was as welcoming and fair priced to mongers 5 or 6 years back and the selection was good but today I frankly am very disappointed with Pattaya's overall quality of girls and pricing. Few go go bars have quality but are very high priced (and I am not allowed as an Indian to get inside some of these gogos) but my City of Angeles is all welcoming. I never faced any racism and was treated very well in all bars and the average girl quality beats Pattaya by far. Again beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder but for me my vote is for a Pinay pussy and their GFE is amazing. Now I know why likes of Westcoast and some other senior mongers vouch for Pinay pussy.

Just a final tip, if anyone is interested in a good massage go to Aleha Massage very close to ABC Hotel and Margaria Station. Its open 24 hours but this place doesn't offer any sexual services no HE here only authentic stuff. Look for a girl for Erica her massages are great

So enjoy the City of Angels and I strongly recommend that UN take this place its list of heritages of the world. We need such places to be preserved well not destroyed as MCobb portends.I concur with you DD give me AC anytime compare to Pattaya, no dirty beach road, no jaded beach road working girls and falangs, no arrogant Russians and no smelly Indians like you and me! Just wonderful pinays with excellent GFE, give me AC anytime and Cebu for good old DIA, don't let likes of 'Mc knob' miss guide you guys, happy mongering

BionicMan

08-11-13, 20:42

, don't let likes of 'Mc knob' miss guide you guys, happy mongeringThe report is good indeed but there was no need to quote it as a whole, especially as it is just one post down.

Mongerman69

08-11-13, 21:17

The brown guys are holding it down! Certainly some of the more positive reports coming out of, AC, of late. I will stay the course, for my scheduled visit, this winter. Nice job fellas', despite all the doomsayers!

See you there, Cobb!

Girlfinder

08-11-13, 21:55

Mathew Cob; I have a couple of questions, and I ask all sincerity. Why are you posting on this topic here? What do you wish to really say? What do you hope to achieve?

Psychman; Still waiting for an honest and sincere response.Hehe, you will not get any anwer. Maybe the facts tell their story.

Cob har been here 3 month, and his first posts read:

1st: basically no bargirl will go on a barfine with any customers any more, ,

2nd: Not sure that Subic is the answer to no barfines

3rd: Just to add a few words of why there are no more barfines in Angeles and why bars are being raided and closed down almost daily, .

4rd: there are not any ways of barfining girls from Angeles bars, the party is over.

His mission seems to be to frighten people, there is no positive contribution what to do, only what NOT to do. I don't believe him, but I think he will be back here in the forum, but only under another name.

Girlfinder

08-11-13, 22:03

At the end of this night I decided that I will not go to Boracay the next day because Angeles City rocks and 1 night is anyway too short for Boracay.Nice report and right decision, don't go to Boracay without bringing GF.

ThatGuy865

08-12-13, 00:12

I took 2 girls together for a 3 some. The negative consequence of the decision to ask the hotel driver to be taken to a bar was that I was charged 3000 p per girl (which I suspect is inflated and the driver had his cut) and this was the price benchmark that got established for me at Crystal Palace for the remaining part of my stay. I returned to Crystal Palace later that night and picked up another great looking girl (and returned the first 2 girls, they were great but I wanted more).Great report Domino. And just to let you know. You did not get overcharged at Crystal Palace. They have 3000p girls there. You must have taken what is considered one of their "Spot light" dancers. Or Princesses as they called them there. ABC driver did not get a cut. Several of the bigger bars have 3000p girls, at Golden Nile. They have 4000p "Daddy's" girls. Just didn't want you to think you were suckered.

Always nice to read a 1st time visitor report. Brings back the memories of our 1st.

All those hands massaging you for LD's. Making you feel like Hugh Hefner with your own playmates.

WestCoast1

08-12-13, 00:54

So, between Domino Dick and McCobb's recent (fairly good) FR, we seem to have:

1. Walking Street and Perimeter bars open for LD, but not much more.

2. Bars off Walking Street and perimeter still barfining (in one form or another).

Does that sound correct?

BrainDrain

08-12-13, 01:01

The departure tax of P550 was already enforced at Manila NAIA terminal when I departed on 29th July.I can confirm that the higher rate was also in place at the end of July. I think you and I departed on the same date!

The departure taxes annoy me. They nee to be included in the ticket sale price, that would avoid a lot of hassles but would put many people out of work.

The other thing that annoys me about the Pi departure taxes is that it is different for international & domestic, Filipino or Foreigner. In my mind was it at CRK where I hpaid P500 to depart but my pinay gf from P2000. Kind of a fun tax I guess.

BrainDrain

08-12-13, 01:04

The 2nd day, I could hook up with a non pro at a store in the morning. She's a real non pro. A 31 year old lady with 1 kid. I asked her out for coffee in the evening and she agreed to meet at 8.30 after work and that coffee became much more.Thanks for the great report. AC is a service based economy. For the non-pro that you enjoyed, had you already lined her up to meet there that morning or was it a random meeting?

I'm always happy to enjoy meeting the random meetings. It's kind of good for the ego / fantasy to be able to pick-up the number of the friendly girls you see when out and then get to enjoy their company. I'm still enjoying the friendship of the Cebu Pacific check-in agent that I met two years ago.

For my next trip I have the contact with the hotel receptionist whom completed my checkin from the last trip. I know how that will play out but I guess I must find a new hotel.

It can never happen in my home country.

Slippery

08-12-13, 01:30

I can confirm that the higher rate was also in place at the end of July. I think you and I departed on the same date!

The departure taxes annoy me. They nee to be included in the ticket sale price, that would avoid a lot of hassles but would put many people out of work.

The other thing that annoys me about the Pi departure taxes is that it is different for international & domestic, Filipino or Foreigner. In my mind was it at CRK where I hpaid P500 to depart but my pinay gf from P2000. Kind of a fun tax I guess.I've been to many countries where the departure tax is included in your ticket. Geeeezzzzz, I wonder why it isn't included in your ticket price in Phils. Anybody got any ideas why? Hahahahahahaha

Qw123

08-12-13, 06:25

FreebieFan

08-12-13, 06:30

Hehe, you will not get any anwer. Maybe the facts tell their story.

His mission seems to be to frighten people, there is no positive contribution what to do, only what NOT to do. I don't believe him, but I think he will be back here in the forum, but only under another name.Place the dufus on IGNORE. Believe me, life better without having know nothings waste space here.

WestCoast1

08-12-13, 06:46

Econo Tech

08-12-13, 07:02

I've been to many countries where the departure tax is included in your ticket. Geeeezzzzz, I wonder why it isn't included in your ticket price in Phils. Anybody got any ideas why? HahahahahahahaThings work differently in Philippines.

For example, in other countries, the govt pays the customs and immigration staff and collect the fees / taxes / dues from the airlines right? In PH, no sir, it can't work that way.

Airlines have to pay a departure fee, that goes into a seperate account, and the BI / BOC staff are paid directly from that account. Something like that.

Overtime? Well, don't ask the govt for overtime, charge the airlines for BI / Customs overtime, meal allowance etc.

Not kidding.

That's the way the country is run and that's how they fuck up things.

Like want to buy new fighters? Well, lets' use the money from Duty collected from x trade.

Oh, what? The x trade businessmen stopped the business or ran a loss? Too bad, no more fighter planes.

Teachers need additional allowance? Let's take from, say. Taxes collected from doctors. What? All doctors left the country? Too bad, no allowance for teachers.

If not above, how could the super rich get mega rich all the times?

Welcome to PH.

Qw123

08-12-13, 07:21

That's good news. QW, can you give us a list of the bars you've been pulling from, and the form of the barfine of each (straight up pay the bar; pay the girl the next morning; or buy a certain number of drinks; etc.)?

Many thanks,

WCSo far Dollhouse from Fields and Candy Bar from perimeter. I just paid the barfine directly to the bar as always, and then gave a smallish tip to the girl when she left (again as I always have). Basically nothing has changed.

Ekspat

08-12-13, 10:57

Basically Angeles seems same as it was in all my previous trips.Any comment, EmCee? Maybe you should look in the mirror and think seriously whether there is something wrong with you if you couldn't get a single barfine. Maybe the girls just simply did not want to go with you? Not even the desperate ones? Seems you have a great approach then.

Sammon

08-12-13, 14:19

Not sure what all the fuss is about. I am in Angeles now, and have already barfined from Fields and from Perimeter Road bars, including from one bar reported as shut in this forum (actually it was shut down for a while, but is now re-opened). Basically Angeles seems same as it was in all my previous trips. No idea what all this negative reporting about Angeles is all about, I can only guess that a few incidents have been totally blown out of proportion.

Anyway this is report based on today, I am in Angeles at the moment.AC has always been a sex destination where you can barfine girls for sex. Without barfine all the bars will have to close. They will not make enough money just from the drinks. Without barfine all girls will go home.

Problem at the moment is barfine is ruled illegal and authorities are cracking down. So some bars will hesitate to allow it openly. Afraid that the authorities will send some undercover patrons and close it down.

I am sure if the bar is convinced that you are not an undercover guy they might allow you to barfine. Every girl there has the liberty to walk out with anybody. How the barfine money collected needs to be solved.

If they can trust the girls financial transaction can take place in the room.

Whether it is simply a crackdown from time to time or they are going to close down everything remains to be seen.

Dominos Dick

08-12-13, 14:26

For the non-pro that you enjoyed, had you already lined her up to meet there that morning or was it a random meeting?

It was a totally random meeting. I just met her in her shop we started talking and after some time I asked her out. The attraction was mutual.

I'm always happy to enjoy meeting the random meetings. It's kind of good for the ego / fantasy to be able to pick-up the number of the friendly girls you see when out and then get to enjoy their company. I'm still enjoying the friendship of the Cebu Pacific check-in agent that I met two years ago.

Agree nothing like the random romances. It peppers up the whole mongering experience it's like a good wine with which you wash down the good food of regular P4P.

Also thanks Thatguy865 for confirming I didn't overpay at Crystal Palace. It feels like a fool to over pay when such a resourceful website like ISG is there with all info.

Ekspat

08-13-13, 10:39

By the way, I barfined two girls last night from a large club in Fields Avenue.The only explanation I have is, that the girls said "there is no barfine" to EmCee just to be polite instead of saying "I don't want to go with you".

LowRyda

08-13-13, 12:17

The only explanation I have is, that the girls said "there is no barfine" to EmCee just to be polite instead of saying "I don't want to go with you".I agree. I'm here now in my second week of intense mongering and have experienced various different attitude levels. Sme spotlight dancers especially in Atlantis may even say they want to be back 4am the same night for 3k long time! What a joke.

In terms of the no barfine thing from above I saw a fat old guy get politely denied LT / ST. The bars allow the girl to choose her clients herself without obligation.

LowRyda

08-13-13, 12:26

Whoever is saying barfines don't exist anymore is wrong. I'm here now and most have them in various forms, I won't disclose the methods so as to protect the bars.

On another note I'd like to add a point about a scam example. A friend went to Camelot bar on Fields ave a few days ago, took a girl, went to a club and was drinking with her and friends. She then told him let's go to hotel! He said let's stay here for a bit and dance, she then said I need to change my dress, I'm just going to change. She comes back and says I need 450 more pesos for a new dress. He says you look fine, then she says my mum is down from province for a week, I need to meet her 1am at station, friend asks how long you going to be, girl replies its very far, then leaves. After 45 mins or so guy gets suspicious and goes back to Camelot to get refund. Would you believe it there is girl, obviously trying to get another client! Friend demands money back, girl lies and says I told you I visit mamasan. Mamasan refuses to give money back until about 15 minutes of intense arguing.

I would stay away from Camelot bar, particularly as this demonstrates if something bad happens with a girl at this place you may not get your money back.

Qw123

08-13-13, 13:26

just barfined another girl short time from the candy bar (she just left 30 mins ago). i managed to find out a few more details about what happened in the police raid and the subsequent consequences for the owner of candy bar (an american apparently, although everything is done through his wife, since she is filipino. by all accounts a nice guy, at least according to the girl i was with). anyway this girl was present on the night of the raid, and she got taken to jail like all the other girls present (though her sister was still in her street clothes and managed to flee from the bar!). she and all the other girls were kept in jail overnight, which she clearly did not enjoy, although i am not sure if terrified is the correct word, since she was in a prison cell with all her friends, i think it was just boring (and her first ever night in a prison cell). the police let the american owner bring them food, so they did not go hungry, and all the girls were let out the next morning (with no financial consequences for them, i. e. no fine). the poor mamasan however was kept there for six days. the american owner had to pay a fine of 50, 000 pesos for the mamasan, and 10, 000 pesos for each girl employed there (ouch!).

now, according to this girl, there is no ban on bar fines at this bar since it was reopened. instead there is a new "charge" to angeles city hall of 28, 000 pesos a month. so ultimately this is all about money and nothing at all about protecting "trafficked" girls (**** or not). i asked my girl if the charges against the bar was about **** girls working there, and she said no (and as far as i know, there are no **** girls working in candy bar, and i have talked to quite a few now). i think they managed to trump up a charge about hygiene in the bar to extract the fine. so like everything in angeles, it is all about everyone trying to get a slice of the action. one consequence for us of this police raid (i got this from one of the waitresses) , is that since the reopening the bar fine price is now 1500 peso (it was 1300 when i was there in june). so i have now personally contributed 400 peso (for the two girls i have taken from the bar) towards this months 28k payment! which probably means that the main likely consequence for all these police raids and fines do not necessarily mean the bars will shut, but many bars are putting up the bar fine cost (dollhouse for example is now 2000 for the "standard white labelled" girls, instead of 1800, which i paid a year ago. the green labelled girls are still 3000, i. e. no change there).

anyway that is my best attempt to straighten out the facts, at least regarding the candy bar raid, based on information i have learned from several girls over the last couple of days. whether you choose to believe me or matthewcob i leave entirely for yourselves to decide.

Fast Eddie 48

08-13-13, 21:23

Why are you guys still feeding the troll? He will go away if everyone just ignores him and stops mentioning his name. Jackson will eventually get around to banning this guy, but the wheels of justice grind slow. It took a long time for the Pattaya Penthouse Hotel / Kitten Club guy to get kicked off the Pattaya forum, but he eventually got axed when Jackson paid a visit to the establishment and saw first hand what kind of shenanigans were going on there. It was predominately a ladyboy bar. The same fate awaits the false profit of the AC thread when everyone realizes it is business as usual in AC.

The fact remains that AC is still a rockin' according to ALL trustworthy accounts, but if you are worried or frightened by what the fear monger says, then don't come. Prostitution is illegal in the PI. That is what the law says, so go to Pattaya or stay home. More Pinays for the rest of us, thank you.To Natty,

I will be back in Asia next week planning on going to Cebu and AC for a week, look like all hotel have plenty of room even Devera they are always full but they told me no problems if thing are bad I can always get on the next flight to Macau and head to East spa or Sauna 18 for some PRC actions.

Fast Eddie 48

Capt Munch

08-14-13, 01:41

With all due respect Qw123, something about your post does not add up.

Well. Candy bar was involved in a full scale raid last month, for human traffic violations in which a police informer walked into candy bar and bar fined a bar girl using marked money, once the marked money had been received the raiding team were sent in.MC. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

I know some of the members have decided to put you on the ignore list so they won't have to read your posts. You seem to be willing to re-hash whatever news that you have read on the internet and then modify / interpret it to satisfy your appropriate level of anxiety of the moment. MC. The rest of the report is for the other punters out there.

I was in Candy Bar. Yesterday. I did not ask nor did I try to barfine there. But. Everything is normal there. The girls and mama-sans were not hiding under the tables or in the back room scared out of their panties. The music was playing, the customers were drinking with girls, talking to the girls, playing with the girls. There were a couple of good looking girls. I could have or should have? I know they were available for take out but my wingman and I moved on to the next bar.

I have only taken a couple of girls from the bars in the last two weeks, but have been in many bars. This is rainy season and in some cases there are not many customers in the bars and the employees of those bars are complaining. In some other cases, I have been surprised at the quantity of customers. But, the popular / busy bars are attracting the locals while it is low season for the tourists.

Of my last 2 girls, one was from a bar on Fields. But the girl knows me since we have enjoyed each others company before. Money was paid and we left together. No issues. The other occasion, it was from a bar that I infrequently go in and I couldn't remember the last time I might have pulled a girl from there. I met a girl there that I liked and we decided to go with each other. Money was paid (discretely) and arrangements were made to meet elsewhere. We had a fine time.

I met and Aussie a few days ago, here for his first trip. I assure you that he has not had an issue getting girls from the bar to go with him. Somehow the young ladies here in Angeles seem to know a cherry boy (to Angeles ). Or maybe it is the ATM symbol stamped on his forehead. I know that I don't get the same response as a local ex-pat.

Things are as normal here as they ever are. The typhoon is past. It is raining this morning. And I do have to make a bank run and replenish the personal ATM. Maybe I should check on the cute 18 year old later and see if she would like to make a new friend this evening.

Munch

Member #4698

08-14-13, 04:10

I will be back in Asia next week planning on going to Cebu and AC for a week, look like all hotel have plenty of room even Devera they are always full but they told me no problems if thing are bad I can always get on the next flight to Macau and head to East spa or Sauna 18 for some PRC actions.
Fast Eddie,

You are going to have a great time next week. I look forward to your trip report even if it is a small one just to set the record straight.

You are right, however, to have a backup plan just in case. I love Macau and Chinese girls, but I think you should also consider Subic as a backup since you will already be in the PI. The Subic Super Shuttle leaves Kokomo at noon. Subic IS GREAT, but don't tell anyone.

E Z Rhino

08-14-13, 08:05

Q: What's the difference between a priest, and acne?

A: Acne doesn't come on a boys face until puberty!

FreebieFan

08-14-13, 10:08

Q: What's the difference between a priest, and acne?

A: Acne doesn't come on a boys face until puberty!LOL. Article in todays Inquirer refers to the head of catholic church in manila crying about the pork barrel scam and how the congressmen should go to see poverty in the slums.

Bit rich, coming from the head of catholic church in manila, given that he lives in a 25 room mansion in quezon city. He has 4 domestic helpers for himself and his needs, and wears a robe embroidered with gold thread every day. I think this fellow wouldn't know poverty if it bit his proverbial holy ass.

OralFanatic

08-15-13, 11:38

I noticed this on balibago. Org and wanted to post here as a warning. It's hard to spot these skimming devices as they can be made quite small, but if the 'slot' for the ATM card looks like there may be another auxiliary device inserted or attached, don't take chances. This one has been found but no doubt there will be more. Anyone using the ATM near the Devora Hotel should check their account for fraudulent charges.

5 Aug 2013. ATM skimming device found in Metrobank.

Angeles City. A device which police calls as a 'skimming device', used to copy passwords and other information of ATM card holders, was found on Sunday at a Metrobank branch at the Devera Hotel along Don Juico Avenue in Barangay Malabanias, Angeles City.

Michael Sta. Maria, a security guard, found the device which he first thought was an improvised explosive device.

Glasnost

08-15-13, 14:31

You can fly from clark to Hong kong on 25 sep 2013 for 0 PHP, including taxes and fees 500 pesor or 11 dollar and from Hong kong you can go to China Shenzhen, electronic shopping heaven, just buy a 5 days shopping visa at the border, not for American passport holders only Europeans, accept France for 160 yuan rmb is 20 euro or 27 us dollar.

Fly with tigerair https://booking.tigerair.com/Select.aspx

Regards,

Steven

TigerJoy123

08-16-13, 02:00

I just take cash and never used an ATM in my 7 trips to AC. I do keep the card with me for real emergencies.

I noticed this on balibago. Org and wanted to post here as a warning. It's hard to spot these skimming devices as they can be made quite small, but if the 'slot' for the ATM card looks like there may be another auxiliary device inserted or attached, don't take chances. This one has been found but no doubt there will be more. Anyone using the ATM near the Devora Hotel should check their account for fraudulent charges.

5 Aug 2013. ATM skimming device found in Metrobank.

Angeles City. A device which police calls as a 'skimming device', used to copy passwords and other information of ATM card holders, was found on Sunday at a Metrobank branch at the Devera Hotel along Don Juico Avenue in Barangay Malabanias, Angeles City.

Michael Sta. Maria, a security guard, found the device which he first thought was an improvised explosive device.

Pudong Gong

08-16-13, 09:38

Just finished a tour of 4 days with a group of friends in AC.

In summary:

If we would not have been alerted due to certain comments on this forum, we would not have noticed any difference to previous visits:

- Bars are packed.

- Atmosphere is better than ever.

- In each bar we went there was bf available straight away, and we did a nice cross section of bars, from posh places like Golden Nile to small places on Perimeter like Nifty's.

- We came across only one exception: the Pool Bar at the ABC hotel does not offer bf for their girls anymore at this moment. You can get the girls via Love & Music, who is run by the same guy who owns the Pool Bar and rotates the girls.

Here the details of the bars we checked out:

- Golden Nile, Lollipop: BF 2000 PHP, girls readily available to take out.

- Love & Music: BF 3000 PHP, girls readily available to take out.

- Pashas, Roadhouse / Angelwitch: BF is called "drinking fee".2000PHP, girls readily available to take out.

- Nifty's: BF 1300 PHP, girls readily available to take out.

There were more bars visited and checked, I do not remember the details anymore. In any case, nowhere any problem or any kind of "ballet" regarding taking a girl out.

Ekspat

08-16-13, 16:34

If we would not have been alerted due to certain comments on this forum, we would not have noticed any difference to previous visits:

- Bars are packed.

- Atmosphere is better than ever.

- In each bar we went there was bf available straight away, Great to hear, because I'm currently at the airport waiting for my flight over there.

EmCee, any comment? Thank you so much!

Ej2208

08-17-13, 03:24

I just take cash and never used an ATM in my 7 trips to AC. I do keep the card with me for real emergencies.To avoid ATM scams and having large amounts of cash stolen from my hotel room. I just use westerunion. Com my last 3 trips. They have no transaction fees for Philippines if you use the bill pay option. I normaly get the money within 24 hours during the weekday and 2 to 3 days on the weekend.

Tally Wacker

08-17-13, 05:37

Bill pay? Meaning send to a bank account? I understand sending to a bank account carries no fees but takes a little longer.

To avoid ATM scams and having large amounts of cash stolen from my hotel room. I just use westerunion. Com my last 3 trips. They have no transaction fees for Philippines if you use the bill pay option. I normaly get the money within 24 hours during the weekday and 2 to 3 days on the weekend.

Avioneto123

08-17-13, 09:05

Angeles will survive as long that there is not a guy like major Lim who shot down all the beautiful bars in Ermita. Those were some beautiful and good times. I still remenber Rosies dinner, the Firehouse, Blue Hawaii, Visions, to name a few. For those who doesn't know Rosies diner is where MBC is right now. I was there when they started closing the bars. It was sad. Now some of those are at the EDSA complex. Anyhow, I believe that AC will survive and prosper as there are too many new hotels and development in the area that need the income from all the hobbiest like us, and like so many people said already in this forum, someone is benefitting from all this situation, not to mentioned that it's possible that the US army / air force / marine might be back in town. Even someone mentioned in this forum, talked about some raids. That has always happen with not a dent or repercussion on anyone (as long as they have some money to pay). So I truly belive that AC will survive and prosper.

Cheers

Ej2208

08-17-13, 10:04

Bill pay? Meaning send to a bank account? I understand sending to a bank account carries no fees but takes a little longer.You can send up to $2999. 99 per transaction with zero transaction fee from westernunion but the Philippines charge a P150 service fee. But it still a lot cheaper than ATM fees. The payout can be in US Dollar or Peso.

How does WU Pay money transfer work?

After selecting WU Pay to fund your money transfer, you will receive a bill via email.

1. Log in to your bank's website and go to the bill pay section.

2. Follow the instructions found in your bill to add WU Pay as a payee the same way you add other billers for online banking.

3. Pay the amount listed on your bill.

4. You will receive a confirmation email from Western Union within 1-3 days, letting you know that your money transfer is paid for and ready for your receiver to pick up.

Peso pick up option.

In minutes2 Fees.

$50 $5. 00.

$2, 999 $9. 00.

In days2 Fees.

$2, 999 $0. 00.

US Dollar pick up option.

In minutes2 Fees.

$50 $5. 00.

$300 $9. 99.

In days2 Fees.

$2, 999 $0. 00

ManonsanBoy

08-18-13, 02:29

So I truly belive that AC will survive and prosper.

CheersClark is becoming a hub and eventually will rival Manila. AC will prosper. The corruption is fetid but people have to eat. Story of the whole country really. Eventually it will go up market gradually.

Wicked Roger

08-19-13, 00:38

Zest air have been banned from flying in the Philippines by the civil aviation authority.

Zest airs grounding was due to serious infractions to the rules of safe flying by the civil aviation authority.

Zest air flights that are due to return to the Philippines from abroad will be allowed to return in the next 24 hours but will not be allowed to fly out again.

Any member who has booked tickets with Zest airlines should contact Zest air direct to arrange compensation.This should be posted in General Info with a link to the news page. This is not surprising given it was a cheap airline that tended to be late on many flights. A recent lady friend was 8 hrs late and departing and was severely annoyed.

This news was at least 2 days ago all over the press even in other parts of Asia where I have been.

Wicked Roger

08-19-13, 00:44

Here is one of the links, seems the main pilot was the cause of the grounding. Good on him for owning up but clearly he was scared to fly so therefore the passengers should be also LOL.

http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=1291

BionicMan

08-19-13, 03:04

Note MC's use of the word 'rescued'. That term is only used by IJM and others who are trying to destroy the income of millions of people. I have no doubt MC is part of IJM or some other holier than thou organization that is out to 'save the world'.

I'll arrive in AC at the end of September and stay for 2 weeks. I have no doubt my activities there will help feed, clothe and house 40 to 50 families. MC and IJM will no doubt be on the other side of town teaching girls how to sew.Would be nice to know how many people would be helped in real with the money spent by these NGO, expenses and salaries, to run their campaigns. All that money, ultimately do not go to the people they pretend to help.
MC has also decided to act as a "know-it-all-help-line".

TaipeiD

08-19-13, 14:15

Hi, long time lurker first time member and first post. I'm just back from an amazing weekend in AC. I could not get into the ABC hotel my normal hq in AC. No room. I ended up at the Fields Plaza Suite. Decent hotel. I booked at two room suite as I was traveling with my bisexual TW wife. (Yea be jealous. My wife may not be a 10 in looks but makes up for it in attitude). I will do a second post on my experience getting three and foursomes in AC but it is possible.

Generally, all the major establishments were quite busy Friday night. The bar (which will remain nameless to protect them) I was in had at least 3 bell rings before midnight. Generally girls went out with customers as normal. Just changed into work clothes and they left out the front door. Saturday was a little slower maybe because of the rain it was pouring most the night. We ended up bar fining (ok it was a "party animal bottle") 2 girls Friday night and two on Saturday though one of the girls was a repeat.

So what was interesting was that the first night one of the girls was really not into the group sex scene. Yes she gave me an above average BBBJ and rode me hard for a good 30 minutes but, was constantly talking to the other girl as my wife was going down on her a bit of a weird scene. At the break I dismissed the one girl and the second agreed to stay with my wife a very hot 3way ensued until I fell asleep. My wife and her continued for another hour. We agreed to meet up the next night as the girl that stayed was part if the dance team that did the special dance routines and she had practice at 2pm. We showed up at 9pm had some drinks. The mama-san from the night before apologized about the bad service from the second girl (honestly it wasn't that bad. I've had starfishes worse). She and the girl that spent the night told us they would find a better 4th and man they did! This new add was also part of the dance team. Turned out she was a genuine bisexual she went down on my wife, the other bar girl and me multiple times each. Very amazing.

Total damage 14500p.

Bar fines 9000p. 4 girls.

Tips to girls 5000p. I know I over tipped but come on for action and service like this it for two customers it was worth it

Mamasan tip 500p. Trust me guys if you want a group sex scene the mamasan is the best advisor you can find.

Complaint if you want that I'm screwing up for the rest of you by overpaying but consider that the girls were doing double duty. LOL!

Member #4698

08-19-13, 18:28

Great trip report Taipei. It is clear you know how to party. It sounds like the girls had a good time too. It is not every day that a couple of bisexual AC Dancers have the opportunity to go down on a Chinese girl. Welcome to the forum!

MarkFalcon33

08-19-13, 21:11

Average age for sex is 13 for first time in Philippines so the church is not doing a good job to start with. Look at how many young teens are having babies, it is a higher percentage than most countries in the world. So lets be honest, sex industry did not start them off having sex young.

Note MC's use of the word 'rescued'. That term is only used by IJM and others who are trying to destroy the income of millions of people. I have no doubt MC is part of IJM or some other holier than thou organization that is out to 'save the world'.

No one is arguing the point of using children in this industry but if IJM or any other group wants to stop this sex industry in the Philippines, they should target the 2 components most responsible for the extreme poverty in the Philippines that drives these girls to one of the very few sources of income available to them so that they may feed, clothe, and house their families;

1. The Roman Catholic Church.

2. The rampant corruption in Philippine government and labor industry.

The Philippines is far and away the most religious country I have ever visited. The Roman Catholic Church forbids contraception measures and as a result, the Philippines has a population larger than its natural resources can ever hope to employ and therefore provide families with adequate income. My ex-wife had 17 siblings in her immediate family but if I include the children borne by her father's 2 mistresses, there were 27. With the father, wife. 2 mistresses and 27 children, that makes 31 people to feed on a meager income. Mathew Cobb, you and your IJM ilk would do more for the people of the Philippines if you would hand out condoms or provide money for other contraception measures. But. You believe you are doing God's work and it is better that people starve because it will be done 'in the name of God'. You and your IJM ilk will only add to the misery in the Philippines. You are the problem, not the solution.

You and your IJM ilk may frown on the activities of ISG members but the fact is people like me do more in one week to feed, house, and clothe people than you and your ilk can ever hope to do in a lifetime. If you really want to stop this hobby you will have to shut down the Catholic Church and end corruption in the Philippines first. You will NEVER end this hobby unless you eliminate the reason it exists to begin with. There are two parties to these transactions and until you and your IJM ilk figure this out and eliminate the need for these girls to enter into the transaction in the first place, you are doing far more harm than good. If anyone needs to be run out of Angeles City, it is people like you.

I'll arrive in AC at the end of September and stay for 2 weeks. I have no doubt my activities there will help feed, clothe and house 40 to 50 families. MC and IJM will no doubt be on the other side of town teaching girls how to sew.

Ekspat

08-20-13, 03:03

Great to read a very positive report after all this MC crap. AC still alive and kicking!

Cbea20

08-20-13, 03:33

"Average age 13" implies that many start even earlier. I'm sure that is not the case."Many become sexually active at age 13 to 15" would be accurate. Their first partners are typically boys 5 to 7 years older. I had a girl yesterday, said she was 20 and her child is 7. Maybe she was lying about her age, but not by much. She now takes The Pill.

Average age for sex is 13 for first time in Philippines so the church is not doing a good job to start with. Look at how many young teens are having babies, it is a higher percentage than most countries in the world. So lets be honest, sex industry did not start them off having sex young.

FreebieFan

08-20-13, 03:46

but if IJM or any other group wants to stop this sex industry in the Philippines, they should target the 2 components most responsible for the extreme poverty in the Philippines that drives these girls to one of the very few sources of income available to them so that they may feed, clothe, and house their families;

1. The Roman Catholic Church.

2. The rampant corruption in Philippine government and labor industry.

I'll arrive in AC at the end of September and stay for 2 weeks. I have no doubt my activities there will help feed, clothe and house 40 to 50 families. MC and IJM will no doubt be on the other side of town teaching girls how to sew.And the 10 billion thats been paid out to the grasping ever greedy do gooding politocos in "pork" could have done a lot for poverty alleviation. But not till they got their "fair share". The pork barrel system ensures that politics remains attractive to all as a potential future job, which is why each election results in a lot of deaths. Corruption endlessly endures.

The church. Well thats always been a law unto itself. If the church just paid the normal taxes that a business does, the coun try would have a huge amount of extra income. But no, the chrch recieves a special pass that allows it not to pay one centavo tax.

Just as Sepp Blatter dictates that 100% of all monies received by FIFA at a world cup is repatriated to FIFA's HQ, so the church in the Philippines has equally demanded that not one centavo shall be paid to the country in tax. They preach about sharing and being compassionate but the greedy buggars take all the money and run with it to Rome.

Enjoy your trip. Why not try and meet up with MC for a few beers LOL.

Wonder how we can find his IP address and its location?

Irony Monger

08-20-13, 05:26

Ekspat

08-20-13, 06:31

Enjoy your trip. Why not try and meet up with MC for a few beersI'm now in Manila and next week in AC. Yeah, I'd buy EmCee some cold SML's but I'm afraid it's a no-show.

TaipeiD

08-20-13, 07:14

I have been asked by many acquaintances about how to score 3p and 4p's in various countries. Here is my advice.

1) Bring the right girl along – I'm lucky – I'm an average looking middle aged guy (overweight) with a 39 year old Taiwanese wife she is good looking but, maybe a little chubby for some but has a great attitude. Who is a genuine bisexual. We have been together for almost 3 years and in that time I have banged more women than I did in my previous 30 + years. I have found having the right woman with you puts the girls at ease. Managing the relationship with her does require a bit of work and we have agreed to a set of rules which work for us:

2) The rules – this is what works for us and FWIW we find them very important to abide by – you may need to modify them to work for you:

A) No kissing the other girls by me.

B) Always wear a condom.

C) Only working girls – no friends / work colleagues.

D) No starting early only with my wife – if she needs to go to the bathroom wait!

E) Explain the rules to the girls before leaving the bar or at least on the way to the hotel

F) No contact with the girls by me after the party – I handle the money and the tip she handles the contact info etc.

3) Locales – in general we have had success in many countries here is our general guidelines:

A) Thailand – no problem very easy.

B) China – challenging – but you can find escorts that do the trip – we have a pair in Shanghai that are absolutely amazing.

C) Hong Kong fairly easy – FL bars are a mixed bag but, there are a number of escorts that service my wife as part of the deal.

D) Singapore – surprisingly hard. Maybe someone has advice here.

E) Taiwan – very hard – with that said the best 4p we ever had was in Kaohsiung – we never were able to repeat it but go figure!

F) Japan / Korea – Very hard but we did score a 3p freebee in Osaka – since it violated the working girl rule it was a week for pain and complaints from my wife afterward – the 2 or 3 hours of fun were negated by the 8 days of her being pissed off.

G) US – we tried in NYC no joy – go figure – we might try Vegas next year.

H) PI – Easier than many would think – in Manila and Cebu we used escorts the one in Cebu we spent a week with she was amazing. AC can be tricky and will devote the rest of the post to AC.

4) Notes on the PI:

A) First in Cebu and Manila – we were able to score a number of escorts with good success – it typical costs a little more (3 to 4K) but you know what you are getting – try Tourguide 2die4. This has worked fairly well for us in Manila and Cebu.

B) Picking up girls freelance bars etc. – here I think the most important aspect is looking for attitude vs. Looks and being specific. My wife tends to want the sexiest girl in the bar but, that rarely works out – I look for the girl with the right attitude. Will she kiss my wife in the bar? Will she grope my wife's breasts? If the answer is yes and yes you likely have a winner. Next step is being very clear as to what you want. I usually will make it clear to the girls it is about my wife – not me – she is the queen. The girls usually get the point. Be generous – here is an important point IMHO if you are looking at scoring a 3p or 4p I tend to agree to the top of the typical range – the way I think about it is that they are signing up to twice the effort so it is only fair.

C) Bar Girls and Dancers – here the key is the Mamasan IMHO. Spend time with the Mamasan and even buy her a couple of drinks – build a relationship – sounds funny but it works (this is Asia after all and this is something many of us do in our business life why not in the bars too). Be very specific with your requests. Tip the Mamasan. If you get to know her she will want to build a relationship with you for repeat business. Next again as above go for attitude vs. looks. I think even with the Mamasan connection it pays to spend time with the girls in the bar and make sure there is a fit – including the Mamasan helps put everyone at ease. Funny side note. I was half temped to barfine the mamasan last Saturday night as she was a lot of fun and I think wanted to see how this would all workout firsthand. I didn't though maybe next time LOL.

D) Repeat business. I find the 2 or 3rd time around with the girls is even better than the first time – I have not done this in the PI but am working on it. They tend to be more relaxed have a better sense of how it is going to play out. In many cities we have a couple of contacts that we rotate through or even a couple of repeats the same week.

E) Tip well. If you are going to go down the path of repeat business – Tip well you would be amazed at how well that works – often time we have girls that recommend other girls to join with us. They know the girls better than you will ever and probably better than the Mamasan so a referral from one WG to another is usually Gold.

Well I hope this helps or at least is an enjoyable read for folks – next major mongering trip for us is to Pattaya in late September. Though my wife will be in Cebu on business next week – I'm wondering if she is going to call one of our regulars while there – I'm not sure if I should be jealous or not. We plan to be back in AC in November.

Rick Rock

08-20-13, 09:13

I will do a second post on my experience getting three and foursomes in AC but it is possible.Excellent. Really look forward to that. Have only mongered with my wife together in a few places (Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Thailand). Would love to know how it goes over in AC. Please do make that report.

Tips to girls 5000p. I know I over tipped but come on for action and service like this it for two customers it was worth it

Mamasan tip 500p. Trust me guys if you want a group sex scene the mamasan is the best advisor you can find.

Complaint if you want that I'm screwing up for the rest of you by overpaying but consider that the girls were doing double duty. LOL!You are of course free to do what you want with your money, but in my opinion this is pretty crazy. You tipped more than what they make from their cut of the already absurdly high bar fine. Do you know what the average wage is in the Philippines?

Plus, I actually think tipping in general is a bad move in AC. Here's why. The next guy pays the bar fine, goes through the motions, and then the next morning is asked "what, no tip?" We don't need this to become the new norm. Bar fines are already up 50-200% in only a few years. Tipping has never been standard in AC. It's a place where everything is built into the bar fine. It's not Thailand.

I'd much prefer if guys who want to pay over the bar fine would offer a set amount for a menu of services before they take the girl out. That way I could at least have a chance to refuse the girl in the bar when she asks for 4000 php to do anal and LT instead of being hit with the "my last customer tipped me 2000 php" routine on the way out the door. Guess that's not going to happen.

And yes, you should always consult the mama with any special needs, but usually buying them a drink or two is all that's required to stay in their good graces. Sometimes you can promise them a 500 php tip the FOLLOWING DAY if they go out of their way to find you something, based on the performance of the girl / s you take out.

Anyway, these are the thoughts of an experienced monger who does this a lot. People will continue to do with their money as they please. Guys who only hobby very occasionally or have tons of excess dough will continue to dump buckets of cash on working girls. Good for the working girls, not so good for guys like me who are regulars. Especially as I approach retirement and a lower income in the near future.

I've seen prices in a lot of places double, triple, even quadruple in a handful of years in some places. Girls in Cambodia are now asking 50 for ST in some places where the usual rate was 5-10 dollars only a few years ago. Meanwhile the average monthly income in that country continues to be less than 50$ a MONTH.

Oh well.

Qw123

08-20-13, 09:13

Rick Rock

08-20-13, 09:16

I bar fined my regular girl for 6 nights (she has just left) , and unfortunately I leave AC tonight (for one night in Bangkok and then home).

Her bar have just increased their bar fine from 2000 to 2250. Of that, the girl unfortunately only gets another 50 Peso, the rest is to help pay for the additional fees / fines / pay-offs or whatever imposed on the bars since July. I guess this increase in barfine is being repeated across most of the bars (it has happened in most of the bars I barfined from on this visit, see my previous posts).

Stayed one night in Le Mirage Appartelle, above the Carousel go-go bar. If you like mirrors on the ceiling and walls (which I do) , then I can recommended it. Hard to find, since its.

Name is not on the door, and they only have a few rooms, but they have a web site.Almost time for me to completely eliminate AC from my list of haunts. The bar fines are getting totally out of control. The only benefit now is the concentration of girls in one place. But there's plenty of other stuff available throughout the Philippines, now often MUCH cheaper even though quality is the same or better.

I would at least avoid any place charging MORE than 2000 php. During my last visit I avoided any place charging more than 1800. Guess what? Still found tons of quality.

YG365

08-20-13, 09:48

Almost time for me to completely eliminate AC from my list of haunts. The bar fines are getting totally out of control. The only benefit now is the concentration of girls in one place. But there's plenty of other stuff available throughout the Philippines, now often MUCH cheaper even though quality is the same or better.

I would at least avoid any place charging MORE than 2000 php. During my last visit I avoided any place charging more than 1800. Guess what? Still found tons of quality.I completely agree! The only way to curb inflation is to boycott it! Too bad we couldn't be a union of sorts!

YG

TaipeiD

08-20-13, 11:21

Excellent. Really look forward to that. Have only mongered with my wife together in a few places (Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Thailand). Would love to know how it goes over in AC. Please do make

And yes, you should always consult the mama with any special needs, but usually buying them a drink or two is all that's required to stay in their good graces. Sometimes you can promise them a 500 php tip the following day if they go out of their way to find you something, based on the performance of the girl / s you take out.

Anyway, these are the thoughts of an experienced monger who does this a lot. People will continue to do with their money as they please. Guys who only hobby very occasionally or have tons of excess dough will continue to dump buckets of cash on working girls. Good for the working girls, not so good for guys like me who are regulars. Especially as I approach retirement and a lower income in the near future.Point taken. I joined this forum to also learn. The 3p and 4p post is coming and may precede this one.

As for notes the big tip to the Mamasan was the 2nd night after the first one. I did give her 100p the first night and bought her a couple of shots.

To clarify here is the breakdown of the bar fines from what I can tell. FYI this was one of the major clubs very well known on Fields I'm sure other bars have lower prices.

Friday. Bar fines 4000p I think the complainer that was a regular dancer was 1500p the "spotlight dancer" was 2500p

Tips Complainer 100p Dancer 1000p. I probably should not have tipped the complainer.

Saturday night bar fines 5000p I think it was 2500p for each of the "spotlight dancers"

Tips 3500p + all the change I had. I also paid for McDonald's hey they were the only one that would deliver at 1am.

Here is my tipping philosophy. I would appreciate comments and advice here.

Standard FS not bad but not great 200-300p per customer.

Great FS 500p per customer. Will let my wife go down on her and will go down on my wife.

Exceptional e. G. Bar girl on bar girl action. Snowballing or other special requests etc. 1000p per customer.

Interesting to hear comments.

WillWorth

08-20-13, 13:16

Please note. This post contains both fact and opinion. Unlike some posters, I will make every effort to differentiate and make clear when I am sharing what I know as opposed to what I think / believe / infer. Here are facts. They are not subject to debate. They happened. If MC (and we all know who I am referring to) wants to call my credibility into question, so be it. Believe me, I have nothing to prove. I am just trying to put actual information "out there" for those who are considering trips. Fact. I arrived in AC on Monday (my first trip here in two years). Fact. I visited one of the larger entertainment establishments on Fields Avenue. Fact. The bar was open, there were girls in it, alcohol was being served. (Opinion. The mango smoothie was better than any alcoholic beverage on sale; they should add rum to that thing and jack up the price). Fact. Bar fines were available. Readily available. The term bar fine was actually used. I was not asked to purchase 10 shots of rot gut. There were no "go around" Fact. I bar fined a girl. The bar fine was added to my total bill. Which I paid. Fact. They took my money. Fact. I saw many other people bar fine girls from this bar. Fact. I observed several men entering the bar with girls (Inference. They had been bar fined from other bars and were "bar hopping"). Fact. I saw no difference in how things are operating now as compared to my last trip. Additional Fact. When walking down A Santos Street (more affectionately known as Blow Row). I was propositioned verbally for massages ("extras" are inferred). No one screamed at me. "I'll blow you for 700 pesos." All the establishments on this street were open. I will also add that I took some time today and played poker at a local club (those who have been here can no doubt figure out which one). The game was frequented by several regulars, residents of AC. They gave no indication that anything was different or that things were changing. Here's another fact. The Penthouse Hotel (located right off Fields) is going through a "soft opening" right now. Inference. No hotel in their right mind would open up that close to Fields if there was even a hint that party was all coming to an end. So. Here's a field report that is not three months old and is not relying on me drawing conclusions from what I read on the web to suit my own beliefs or agenda. Do not be scared away. AC is open for business and your money is good here. Could this change in the near future? Of course it could. A lot of things could happen between now and whenever. (Oh. And here are a few more facts. Hillary Clinton is not Secretary of State anymore. John Kerry is. John Kerry is obsessed with the Middle East, not the Philippines).

Pensomaru

08-21-13, 02:15

Too bad we couldn't be a union of sorts!Haha this would be great. I can't even imagine what great benefits would come from a punters union.

Outside of that glad to hear everyone is reporting business as usual. I was worried for a bit that I might not get to enjoy AC again in the future.

Rick Rock

08-21-13, 03:28

Point taken. I joined this forum to also learn. The 3p and 4p post is coming and may precede this one.

As for notes the big tip to the Mamasan was the 2nd night after the first one. I did give her 100p the first night and bought her a couple of shots.

To clarify here is the breakdown of the bar fines from what I can tell. FYI this was one of the major clubs very well known on Fields I'm sure other bars have lower prices.

Friday. Bar fines 4000p I think the complainer that was a regular dancer was 1500p the "spotlight dancer" was 2500p

Tips Complainer 100p Dancer 1000p. I probably should not have tipped the complainer.

Saturday night bar fines 5000p I think it was 2500p for each of the "spotlight dancers"

Tips 3500p + all the change I had. I also paid for McDonald's hey they were the only one that would deliver at 1am.

Here is my tipping philosophy. I would appreciate comments and advice here.

Standard FS not bad but not great 200-300p per customer.

Great FS 500p per customer. Will let my wife go down on her and will go down on my wife.

Exceptional e. G. Bar girl on bar girl action. Snowballing or other special requests etc. 1000p per customer.

Interesting to hear comments.My philosophy (if you want to call it that) is that the tipping phenomenon is one of the most heinous aspects of American culture to be exported to the rest of the world. Ideally, tips should be limited to performances extremely above and beyond the norm, and even then only in limited circumstances. Rates should be built in, and employees should receive a living wage so they don't have to ask for tips.

In some cases you can't avoid tipping. I wouldn't dream of forgoing a tip when eating at a diner in Virginia where waitresses make $2 an hour. At the same time, there are places where you'd have to literally force a girl to take a tip. Many Japanese and Korean places are like that.

The fact is that tipping really has no net effect on job performance. This has been proven time and time again. Some of the better eateries in the United States are now banning the practice for that reason: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/end-restaurant-tipping-112546842.html

I don't really need this as proof though. There's plenty already out there in the real world. Some examples follow.

1. The best customer service I've encountered anywhere in the world has come in Japan. In Japan tipping is totally unknown. Unwitting foreigners who tip in restaurants have been chased down in the street to have the "money they forgot on the table" returned to them.

2. The worst customer service I've encountered anywhere in the world came at a "fancy restaurant" were 25 percent tips were standard.

3. The hardest working, most GFE working women I've ever encountered came in some of the most inexpensive places to monger, where there was no expectation of a tip.

4. The laziest, lamest working women I've ever encountered came in Western countries with extremely high prices. They often had the nerve to say "where is my tip" after 15 minutes of starfish.

So what about tipping in the Philippines for working girls? It was never regular practice. At most people would give some tryke money in the morning. 50 php. I would sometimes do it if the girl was nice and I had the spare change. If not, she could work it out on her own from the money I just paid her.

With bargirls in AC it's good to give 50 php if you have it for a tryke as they often don't get the money from the barfine right upfront. Even then they often walk back to work and pocket the 50.

I don't think tipping should be connected to particular acts at all. This is in fact one of the worst aspects of the Japanese mongering scene that has started to filter into Southeast Asia. Nothing worse than a "menu." Want BBBJ? Oh that's another 500 php. Ridiculous. Next I'll have to pay for DFK.

The bar fines are already much higher than they ever were in the past. The increases have definitely outpaced inflation. If you ask the mama in the bar "can she play with my wife? Will she go down on both of us?" and the mama and the girl agree, then it should happen for the bar fine rate. If not, go back to the mama the next day and she'll help you out. That's how it should work. That's how it always has worked. Tipping should ideally be tied to performance that is well above and beyond, to girls you build a special relationship with and want to help or something, etc. Not piecemeal stuff.

If I'm traveling all the way to an abandoned military base on an island floating out in the Pacific, I need to get something out of it. If the rates are starting to approach what's available in top income countries like Korea that takes away a lot of the motivation for me to take the trip.

Rick Rock

08-21-13, 03:41

I have been asked by many acquaintances about how to score 3p and 4p's in various countries. Here is my advice.

Well I hope this helps or at least is an enjoyable read for folks – next major mongering trip for us is to Pattaya in late September. Though my wife will be in Cebu on business next week – I'm wondering if she is going to call one of our regulars while there – I'm not sure if I should be jealous or not. We plan to be back in AC in November.Good to see your report came through. My experience mirrors yours in many places but there are some differences.

My wife and I have an open relationship and do more non-pros than pros. Pros are more for convenience than anything. If you open up to non-pros you gain access to many more women, especially in places like NYC (very easy to hook up group scenes. Craigslists, swinger clubs, etc). She actually likes when I hook up with other women while I'm on the road (which is most of the year) , especially if I can SMS her some pictures of the girls and the action. She also likes watching me go to work on girls, kissing and all, while she watches.

I have never tipped more than taxi money to a working girl who came with the two of us. Usually haven't even done that. The standard rates are high enough. Hasn't been an issue. I do usually tip mamasans the following day if they point us to a nice girl.

Haven't taken the wife to PI but have been wanting to try. Glad to see things worked out for you. May head there next time instead of Thailand. Thailand is good for the easy walk in places like Eden, Devil's Den, Honey, etc, where you can pick a bi girl or two immediately. Takes a little more work in the go gos which can either be fun or annoying.

Repeats are definitely a good bet when it comes to scoring pros for a couple anywhere. They are more comfortable and get into the vibe. We had one Thai girl spend 4 days in Phucket with us. Was supposed to be a ST score but ended up hitting it off so well my wife wanted to bring her along for the side beach trip. Absolutely awesome! By the fourth day it was like a harem. The girl knew exactly what both of us wanted. I was totally drained.

Hutsori

08-21-13, 05:08

. Ideally, tips should be limited to performances extremely above and beyond the norm, and even then only in limited circumstances. Rates should be built in, and employees should receive a living wage so they don't have to ask for tips.

At most people would give some tryke money in the morning. 50 php. I would sometimes do it if the girl was nice and I had the spare change. If not, she could work it out on her own from the money I just paid her.

I don't think tipping should be connected to particular acts at all.An outstanding comment. Bravo your life. Pity stickies don't exist here.

Toonice00

08-21-13, 06:17

Hey guys,

I will (want) arrive tomorrow 22nd in AC by plane to Clark. Can anybody tell me about the flooding situation in AC? No problem to fly? How about water in the city?

Thanks

TaipeiD

08-21-13, 06:20

Rick,

Similar experiences I'm always surprise how the WGs gravitate to my wife. I don't know why but I'm not complaining. For me one of the coolest aspects of having especially Chinese group gropes is when the girls sit around chatting naked at the breaks and after. I speak some Chinese so I can follow maybe 50% of the conversation. For me it must be tied to the girls sorority / slumber party fantasy I have had most of my life! Aside from the sex this is my favorite part.

I think rules are very specific to the couple. You and I have had very different experiences with our respective gals but, that is what appears to work for each. I think we would both agree having a Bi woman is better than not having one at least that's how I feel. With that said I do like your arrangement. Congrats.

I would point out a Bi-gf is not for everyone. I have a good friend who has been in Asia for 10years and has had his share of 3 and 4ps but with his serious gfs it is strictly monogamous. The funny thing is that he met his current love at a 3p their first and last! Go figure!

Pip Jaeger

08-21-13, 12:19

Thanks TaipeiD for your informative reports! Refreshing to read something positive for a change, LOL.

I too have a penchant for 3somes and moresomes as my posts and photos have borne out. I was lucky on my first trip to have found a bi-girl who is submissive and loves to hunt for other girls for our mutual satisfaction. She also has a fairly wide circle of bisexual friends in AC and that helped in the beginning.

I have found having the right woman with you puts the girls at easeAbsolutly correct! And in the PI's it also helps that the girls can speak to each other in their own language; helps to avoid any confusion. Many of the bar girls are not well educated and often their English is not too good.

Managing the relationship with her does require a bit of work and we have agreed to a set of rules which work for us:

The rules – this is what works for us and FWIW we find them very important to abide by – you may need to modify them to work for you:Very important if you're in a relationship with the girl, but IMHO not so much if she's just with you for a short stay although you do want to make her feel "special" in one way or another; it helps get past the jealousy issue that you find with many of the PI girls. I've set mine with my gf, which are similar to yours with a few minor exceptions, like kissing. Also, I've told her that my cum is hers and I would not cum into another girls' pussy unless she wanted to eat the creampie. Usually she wants me to cum into her mouth or lick it off the other girls' chest.

US – we tried in NYC no joy – go figure – we might try Vegas next year.You'll probably have much better luck in Vegas, try using backpage. Com; escorts section to find what you want.

First in Cebu and Manila – we were able to score a number of escorts with good success – it typical costs a little more (3 to 4K) but you know what you are gettingIf you've got the time try some of the dating websites or Craigslist, but be careful with CL; lots of scammers there.

Repeat business. I find the 2 or 3rd time around with the girls is even better than the first time – I have not done this in the PI but am working on it. They tend to be more relaxed have a better sense of how it is going to play out >>>>>often time we have girls that recommend other girls to join with us. They know the girls better than you will ever and probably better than the Mamasan so a referral from one WG to another is usually GoldAlso true in the Phils. And once you gain their trust and they know you are "real" and won't hurt them they will often want to intro you to their friends. I generally give a 200peso finder's fee if they hook me up. I'll add it to their donation if they join or just give it separate they don't. This also applies to regular girls and semi-pros throughout the PI's.

As for notes the big tip to the Mamasan was the 2nd night after the first one. I did give her 100p the first night and bought her a couple of shots.Always pays to cultivate a relationship with the mamasans. During my last stay I did invite one over to the condo for dinner, she wound up staying to watch the action (she worked the camera, LOL). A couple of days later she texted me to come over and try out a brand new 19 year old fresh from the province. Mama knew that the girl would be in good hands and she wanted my opinion of her as well (I asked if I could get a job as a "test driver", we had a good laugh over that; pity she thought I was joking). The girl was no virgin, but was still very tight and had never been with a white guy or another girl. We took it slow with her, she enjoyed and I had a hard time getting rid of her (actually we kept her for an extra day). Needless to say I gave a glowing report to mama, LOL.

Saturday night bar fines 5000p I think it was 2500p for each of the "spotlight dancers"Personally I rarely take "spotlight" girls out. I feel that the extra pesos are a rip-off and in some cases inflate the girls' ego. One of my girls told me that this has also caused a bit a friction between the girls at the bar she used to work at. I've noticed that many of the spotlight girls are uglier and fatter than the regular ones and it's not like they're pussies are made of gold, nor are they going to provide or do anything above and beyond a regular "non-spotlight" girl. Some bars rotate their spotlight girls, so always ask; and many will also be up for a private meet at a much lower cost to you. I can only justify the extra if the girl is truly amazing in one aspect or another and I'm about to leave town, and I'm in the "I got to have that" mood. Otherwise I'll pass and find something else.

Standard FS not bad but not great 200-300p per customer. Great FS 500p per customer. Will let my wife go down on her and will go down on my wife. Exceptional e. G. Bar girl on bar girl action. Snowballing or other special requests etc. 1000p per customer.Interesting to hear comments.IMHO a 1K tip is way too much, even for what you deem as exceptional service, and 200-300 for mediocre service is also too much. 500p is the max I've ever given and every one of them was very happy with that. I generally give 50-100 to a Fields Ave girl and 100-300p to a Santos St. Or Raymond St. Girl; providing of course that service is good. My philosophy on that is the girls on Fields are already getting a larger wage from the higher bar fine. But that seems to be changing as the LT bar fines in the non-Fields bars are going up too and there's not as much disparity between them anymore.

I don't agree with not tipping at all, but I feel we shouldn't spoil them either. I wasn't the one who started the tipping trend, but I feel that most girls who go out of their way to please you should get a little something extra. In a manner of speaking I've even "tipped" a starfish or two on my first trip; I walked them outside, hailed a trike and gave the driver 50-70p to take them home / back to the bar. Even though I was not satisfied with their service I felt that it was the right thing to do.

ThatGuy865

08-21-13, 17:08

I don't agree with not tipping at all, but I feel we shouldn't spoil them either. I wasn't the one who started the tipping trend, but I feel that most girls who go out of their way to please you should get a little something extra. In a manner of speaking I've even "tipped" a starfish or two on my first trip; I walked them outside, hailed a trike and gave the driver 50-70p to take them home / back to the bar. Even though I was not satisfied with their service I felt that it was the right thing to do.I don't think anyone can ever over tip.

I cannot think of any other type of service. That men will fly across the world to have provided to them.

Base on that alone. If I am willing to fly 17 to 20 hrs and spend $1000 just to get there to receive the services.

Then those services must be valuable enough. To be worthy of a tip. And easily $25 for good service.

KongKing

08-22-13, 00:36

There is a Cebu Pacific from Cebu to Bangkok, return, two days a week I think.

KongKing

KongKing

08-22-13, 00:50

Rick Rock

08-22-13, 02:51

I don't think anyone can ever over tip.

I cannot think of any other type of service. That men will fly across the world to have provided to them.

Base on that alone. If I am willing to fly 17 to 20 hrs and spend $1000 just to get there to receive the services.

Then those services must be valuable enough. To be worthy of a tip. And easily $25 for good service.Men fly all over the world for golf, diving, trophy fishing, trophy hunting, special foods, special sites, etc. Rarely do they offer 50% or 150% tips to the people who provide these services though. That's limited to the 1 week millionaires that come to places like AC and Pattaya and ruin it for everyone else.

The reason people "fly across the world" to Pattaya and AC to begin with is that they offer inexpensive access to lots of action. With the increase in bar fines and guys giving $25 tips for mediocre performance (!) we will soon reach price parity. We've already got it in some cases, with certain girls in Thailand now charging as much as their counterparts in top income earning countries like South Korea.

My theory is that a lot of guys rarely get any pussy back in the real world and thus fall head over balls when they get with a girl in a place like AC. So even though she is a poor farmer girl from some far off province who grew up bathing out of a bucket they feel a need to make it rain cash on her. Losers with loot in my opinion. I guarantee you don't get any better service than I do.

Econo Tech

08-22-13, 04:52

I will be in Angeles City this coming weekend. This coincides with the Australia (Wallabies) versus New Zealand (All Blacks) 2st rugby test this Saturday (3. 30pm local time). I would like to watch the game live on a sports bar screen. Any bar like Makati's Howzat Sports Bar in Angeles? I would like to see the All Blacks nail the cross Tasman Bledisloe Cup for another season!

KongKingPhillies.

Pip Jaeger[/B]

Absolutly correct! And in the PI's it also helps that the girls can speak to each other in their own language; helps to avoid any confusion. Many of the bar girls are not well educated and often their English is not too good.And I have to remind newbies, even though PH flaunts their superb English, they are better in written than spoken, I. E. Those specially in bars.

Text speak excels, and verbal, can, sometime give you daggers.

Even the freelancers in SG, I tell guys to not call, please sms them, and 9 out 10 idiots call them and then words get lost and of course, Pinay style, rather than accept the comprehensio of English sucks, the girl will go "you don't call me anymore" or just put the phone down.

ThatGuy865

08-22-13, 05:05

Men fly all over the world for golf, diving, trophy fishing, trophy hunting, special foods, special sites,Those are not services. Those are activities. You are doing the golf, diving, fishing or hunting. Besides many of guys tip the boat crews nice money when the go deep sea fishing, also caddies for golf, it you were on a tour to see sites. Many tip the tour guides.

My theory is that a lot of guys rarely get any pussy back in the real world and thus fall head over balls when they get with a girl in a place like AC. So even though she is a poor farmer girl from some far off province who grew up bathing out of a bucket they feel a need to make it rain cash on her. Losers with loot in my opinion. I guarantee you don't get any better service than I do.And your theory would be wrong. Its about how and what a person values for their money.

Each person puts a value to. Having the pleasure of a woman for an entire night. For you it is one thing. To another its another.

Personally I think any woman in her 20's that pleases a man for a night. Is worth at least $100. The fact that she is a dirt poor farm girl has nothing to do with how I value her services. It's a woman providing a service period. How she performs is the important factor not where she is from.

So if the bar fine is 2250p ($53). Yeah. Tossing her another 1000p ($23) is damn sure reasonable to me. Especially for a woman who has been good to excellent.

Even guys who make it rain. They throw 20p notes. Even if they throw 100. Thats less than $50.

Get a grip. No one is bragging. Its about having fun. Its not big money and thats why they do it. Because in the states its $10 or $20's. Where 100 thrown is $1000 or $2000. Now that's showing off.

It might not be your thing. But it definitely doesn't have nothing to do with anyone being a loser. Its about having a good time. The girls definitely love it. The bar hops when they do it. It livens up the crowd. I have no problem with guys who do it.

To each their own. Its the reality with all spots over the world. Cost of pussy is always rising. Enjoy it when and while you can. Because complaining ain't going to change nothing.

ThatGuy, Out.

Tally Wacker

08-22-13, 05:50

So even though she is a poor farmer girl from some far off province who grew up bathing out of a bucket they feel a need to make it rain cash on her. Losers with loot in my opinion. I guarantee you don't get any better service than I do.This part of your slobber sums you up. Continue with your self centered theory and have a great time.

Paulr1950

08-22-13, 05:50

Ekspat

08-22-13, 05:55

that come to places like AC and Pattaya and ruin it for everyone else.RR, please stop this whining. Thanks.

Jdbkk555

08-22-13, 06:33

I was in AC for about a week earlier this month. I can see why thus place is on the map. Was just my 2nd visit. This time I stayed at the ABC. Nice hotel, good rooms even though mine was a bit funky. I like it because until after 5:00pm, there really isn't much going in AC besides walking the mall or sitting in one of the all day beer halls with all the fat, gray haired guys. At ABC I could sit for most of the afternoon in an illusion that I was at some nice beach.

I think I hit roughly half the sport in the main walking street this trip. I do find the variety of customer engagement styles very interesting. Some, The girls are on stage unless you request one. Some, the hostess and waitress nearly attack you for lady drinks the moment you hit the door.

I managed a few pics. The cuties in shorts / panties was a contact from a famous Asian dating website. She came one afternoon to meet me and in 10 minutes asked if her friend could come join us. I like this place. The second set in shower caps was similarly interesting. Waitresses at the ABC pool bar. I didn't know they were available for rent. Same fee as a model girl at Atlantis. Next day we went shopping at the mall and met her sister. While walking around the one says to me, my sister wants to fuck you, is that ok with you? Of course, it's all about money here.

Of the bars, I'd have to say the surprise for me this trip was the depth and quality at Ponytails. I didn't investigate much places outside of the walking street assuming most were small joints with just a few, less than exciting girls. Wrong. I did make a mistake of taking a girl from there who was fresh from the province. Lots of effort to get her naked and stick my cock inside her. I should stick to my general rule of 1-3 months experience.

I also made a friend of a massage lady I met online. She came over to give me a massage and we both left with a happy smile. She never offered an upswell or anything. Not bad for massage girl looks.

I'm really liking as compared to Pattaya or BKK. It's certainly cheaper. The general rule is if it walks and smiles, it wants to fuck you for money. Perhaps Pinay are not always great in the looks dept, but they sure do know what to do in bed. In contrast, I found this trip ladies in BKK seem much more demanding and picky for more money. Pattaya is certainly a lot nicer than AC in terms of scenery and things to do outside of sex. One thing to consider about AC is the mandatory weekly medical checks. Though perhaps not as rigorous as in Europe or the states, I have to think the weekly screening I stalled by the US military is a good basic check on disease. I asked one girl about it and she said of 10 girls in a month of weekly checkups, less than one is diagnosed and treated, and out of the line up for the week.

One interesting story. A Chinese guy had his night harem of girls. It took 3 elevator rides at ABC to get them all up to his room. I'm just wondering what the hell is he going to do with 20 girls in one night. In AC, not nearly as big a deal to take multiple girls. It's a bit tricky at some places finding really nice girls that will do multiples. I was hunting for a pair of bedtime partners one night and was really interested in the one girl and her friend. When the waitress asked for me, it was clear they were not at all interested in that. So I moved to another bar. Picked out a top balcony girl from Atlantis. Asked if her friend would mind to join. No problems. She was fishing to see if I wanted her sister too, but she was not so attractive.

My first night there, went into Cambodia. I'd met a nice lady that was a bartender there. She wasn't working that night. There was one mature stunner there I could not resist. As I sat down, these two girls sat next to me. Very nice and playful. I went back for them a few nights later. One was a really dirty girl, the other obviously used to it and went along for the ride. Neither was a serious looker, but then again, is that why you brought them to your room? For their smile.

Rick Rock

08-22-13, 08:12

I'd be happy to stop complaining about one week millionaires as soon as they stop fucking everything up. Prices in places like Pattaya and AC are up 200 to 500 percent in a handful of years, way outpacing the rate of inflation and even as most of our incomes and assets fell in the crisis that started in 2008.

If you RTFF, you'll notice that most of the long time seasoned posters on this site feel the same as I do, even if they've been brow beaten into ending their comments on the subject.

That's also the reason a lot of new, off the radar spots are never mentioned on these kinds of sites anymore, which is a real shame.

Wicked Roger

08-22-13, 13:03

There is a Cebu Pacific from Cebu to Bangkok, return, two days a week I think.

KongKingKK is right and is simple to verify so check the CPac web site. Another example perhaps of cherry picking information and getting it wrong. As many will say RTFF is the way forward for ISG so looking on an airlines web site is useful to establish whether flights go from A to B directly or via a third city. I know this as I fly that leg lots of times is not a bad flight if you like late night / early morning arrivals (and I took 1 minute to double check).

BTW. 3 visits to AC in last month and no FRs on what you. The world is waiting. Unless of course you were part of the raid squad on those bars? Just a thought

Happy flying KK and text me when Cebu as I maybe there and we can share a beer while you wait at the short time hotel for the next cutie.

Member #4698

08-22-13, 13:54

That's also the reason a lot of new, off the radar spots are never mentioned on these kinds of sites anymore, which is a real shame.Rick, name me one of your "off the radar spots" that I do not know about and I will never criticize your repetitive "no tipping, spoiling the market" editorials ever again.

TaipeiD

08-22-13, 15:18

Funny I was interested to know what the bar fines where in 2003. 10 years ago. So I checked the 2003 archive.

I found post #591.

"I ventured in Club Amour. It was a waste of time. Standard barfines were 1000p but they were asking 1500p for the "models"."

Post #584.

"So, about last night. We hit the Blue Nile and Pickup Bar. There were many beautiful girls, dancing in bikinis. The Filipinas are very sweet and appear a little more shy than their Thai sisters. We drank, danced and I finally selected a cute waitress and we got back to the Orchid at 4:30am. The barfine here is 1000 pesos and thats it"

So it appears that the standard bar fine was 1000p 10 years ago and up to 1500p for "models and spotlight dancers"

My experience was 2000p for standard girls and 2500p for "model and spotlight dancers"

You can decide if it is worth it but clearly the upsell on models has been going on since this forum has been around.

So about an increase of 2x for standard and 1. 67x for the high end that puts the inflation rate at between 7. 2% to 5. 2%

CPI in the PI (nation wide) increased over the same time from 80 to 135 or about 5. 2% (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/philippines/consumer-price-index-cpi)

I'm sure it was higher in some locales and lower in other areas. I would assume but this is a personal SWAG that AC has had higher CPI increases for food and housing than other parts of the PI but, who knows.

Oh and by the way plenty of complaining 10 years ago about high bar fines and tipping too much. I guess some things never change.

Well something to ponder.

Ekspat

08-22-13, 15:28

off the radar spots are never mentioned on these kinds of sites anymoreYour "off radar spots" are most likely not in my league. You're free to enjoy them to the fullest.

Rick, name me one of your "off the radar spots" that I do not know about and I will never criticizeMaybe a new, unknown brothel between Kampung Cham and Kampung Thom. RR, again, feel free to enjoy it.

D Cups

08-22-13, 15:35

Well it's not a sport's bar but had a good time watching American football at the Orchid Inn resort bar. It's next to a pool, has friendly waitresses and the food was ok.

I will be in Angeles City this coming weekend. This coincides with the Australia (Wallabies) versus New Zealand (All Blacks) 2st rugby test this Saturday (3. 30pm local time). I would like to watch the game live on a sports bar screen. Any bar like Makati's Howzat Sports Bar in Angeles? I would like to see the All Blacks nail the cross Tasman Bledisloe Cup for another season!

KongKing

Ekspat

08-22-13, 15:38

I'd be happy to stop complaining about one week millionaires as soon as they stop fucking everything up.And one more, your one week millionaires aren't US or Europe anymore, okay there are still some but they are mostly Koreans now. You do not reach them in this forum with your advice, because they are too poor in English. They don't read here and will further spoil the market by throwing showers of 50ps notes from the top floor down to the dancers of Atlantis. Or similar.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Pensomaru

08-22-13, 21:03

your one week millionaires aren't US or Europe anymore, okay there are still some but they are mostly Koreans now.I think the Koreans (and I also see the Japanese) are so used to paying a large sum back home that they feel like it's no big deal to overspend, overtip, and throw their cash around. Nothing you can do about it though, it is their money.

Manny51

08-23-13, 00:23

Hutsori

08-23-13, 01:21

Hi PI enthusiasts!

I am thinking of visiting the PI, probably AC, the week before Christmas, something like Dec 16-21. I know that the PI is a heavily Christian country. Will the clubs in AC and Manila empty out, or are they booming 365 / year?

Thanks!There will still be many girls around, but the 2 weeks of Christmas and New Year are certainly a in-the-province-with-the-family time of year for those who can afford to buy all the presents and travel home, i.e. the more desirable girls and those smart enough to save her earnings.

Rick Rock

08-23-13, 02:15

Japanese yes, Koreans not so much. This is a common mistake on these boards. I know plenty of Koreans and know that they are tighter than me when it comes to spending on girls, and much else. As to prices: Korea is a high income country but most things, from food to housing to transportation to mongering is much more inexpensive there than it is in the West. Very easy to score short time in South Korea for 50, 000 won, which is now less than $45. And indeed that's what most Korean guys do when they want to get laid. In and out. They go to girlie bars to hang out with girls more than to buy sex.

All groups have their show offs and idiots. The difference with guys in Asia, Latin America and Africa is that they are more likely to show their wealth to everyone else by buying lots of drinks, making it rain cash, etc (of course Western guys do this too, I've seen countless white men "ring the bell" in several countries).

Korean and Japanese guys are most likely to travel in groups and spend a lot for group drinking or partying. They're not good at talking to women, especially alone, since they've rarely had the chance to do it in their cultures. There are no pubs in Korea where a guy would go to drink alone. Just doesn't exist (except for a select few aimed at foreigners). It's all group seating. That's why they're more likely to drop 100 or 200 buying drinks for ladies only to go home drunk alone.

Western guys are more likely to wander into bars looking like creepy loners, stare at women for a while before buying one a drink-just like they do at home. The difference is in a place like AC they can take out with them instead of going back alone to jack off to porn. They spend their 100 or 200 back in the room where their white Western guilt makes them feel like they need to give a 500% tip.

What about my off the radar spots? I know at least 50 that aren't mentioned anywhere on this board in South Korea, Japan, Dominican Republic, Myanmar and Laos. Less than 10 of those are lower quality. At least a dozen are what I'd call top quality mongering destinations. A few helpful posters who have PM'd me can tell you. Unfortunately I can't share the information publicly, which is why I rarely mention it.

I have introduced plenty of spots to this board like the BJ bar in Otsuka where you get BBBJCIM from two girls in a row for $20. Didn't take long for that to be ruined. A few months after I posted it (and several members visited, at least 6 made field reports) they were running a notice on their website that said "no foreigners." Don't know what happened, but someone messed it up. I can still get in with my frequent customer card, but many others can't. Easy to see how things get ruined.

Or look at the Vietnam threads where guys insisted on tipping $15-30 at places where BBJCIM had been $10 total price for 10 years. Prices were inflated and girls got used to asking for the "new rate" which was purely invented by Western guys with more money than brains or balls.

Barfines at many places in AC are now 2250 for "standard girls." Not even a decade back barfines were going for 1000. 125% increase in a handful of years is reason for alarm in my book.

Yea guys were complaining 10 years ago that the big spenders were going to jack up the prices. That's indeed exactly what happened, so looks like they were right. Others will continue to ignore the advice of seasoned hobbyists until the prices in places like AC come to match Bangkok and then the US and Europe.

Congratulations.

Rick Rock

08-23-13, 02:28

Those are not services. Those are activities. You are doing the golf, diving, fishing or hunting. Besides many of guys tip the boat crews nice money when the go deep sea fishing, also caddies for golf, it you were on a tour to see sites. Many tip the tour guides.Guess you've never done many of these things. There are people called guides that take you diving, fly fishing or trophy hunting. In golf you have caddies and plenty of services in the club house. Never heard of ANYONE tipping these people 125% or more. More like 10-20, and only if they perform well. And that's still largely limited to Americans and certain Western groups. Try to pry a tip out of a Korean guy's hand and see how it works.

And your theory would be wrong. Its about how and what a person values for their money.

Each person puts a value to. Having the pleasure of a woman for an entire night. For you it is one thing. To another its another.Wrong. The value is set by the market. At the moment that value is 1250-3000 pesos a night. Anything you give above the bar fine is not value, it's you giving away money. No different than putting money in a street beggar's hands, it has nothing at all to do with value exchange.

Personally I think any woman in her 20's that pleases a man for a night. Is worth at least $100. The fact that she is a dirt poor farm girl has nothing to do with how I value her services. It's a woman providing a service period. How she performs is the important factor not where she is from.So why don't you go to places where the rate is 100 a night and stay there. That would be good for you, good for the girls you find and good for the rest of us. Thanks in advance.

I mean what nonsense. That's like me getting a $2 haircut in Phnom Penh and saying,"gee, you know a haircut in my neighborhood back home is $40, so why don't I just give you a $38 tip?"

Let's not forget AC arose as a mongering destination because a base full of horny low-paid soldiers was built there. Think a lot of grunts and NCOs were "making it rain?" Somehow the city arose to what it is now on the backs of those "cheap charlies." Look what's happened since the international tourists started coming.

Get a grip. No one is bragging. Its about having fun. Its not big money and thats why they do it. Because in the states its $10 or $20's. Where 100 thrown is $1000 or $2000. Now that's showing off.Throwing away money. What fun! And I'm the one that needs to get a grip. Maybe some guys need to get a new hobby other than throwing cash in the air. How about collecting something, at least you'll have something to show for the money you dole out.

It might not be your thing. But it definitely doesn't have nothing to do with anyone being a loser. Its about having a good time. The girls definitely love it. The bar hops when they do it. It livens up the crowd. I have no problem with guys who do it.I absolutely guarantee not one of those guys gets better service than me.

Trying being a human being instead of throwing cash at everyone. You gain no respect or improved service, you just become a cash dispenser. You actually look like a chump in the eyes of everyone around you, most especially the girls. That's why a bar girl will take her dirt poor boyfriend from the province over an American guy with lots of dough to splash around every time.

To each their own. Its the reality with all spots over the world. Cost of pussy is always rising. Enjoy it when and while you can. Because complaining ain't going to change nothing.It's rising well above the rate of everything else, primarily because of the attitudes of guys like you. Enjoy the mess you've made.