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StillTrying808
12-24-13, 11:02
I am considering either Thailand or pi for post retirement living. I am considering moving between the cities. I should have +5000 a month for living expenses. Not sure it makes sense to buying a car / motorbike / house in these places or simply rent something. I understand medical care is available in PI but not sure of the level in Thailand. I down to a couple of years before I get to try these places out. Any other locations make sense?
PussyFeelsGood
12-25-13, 02:21
I live in Angeles on 900 a month, could be done cheaper if I wanted to sign a 6 month lease but I don't want to be tied down.
Rough break down is a little over 300 for accommodation. 45ish for visa. 240ish for food. 15ish for miscellaneous and 300ish for girls.
I never pay barfines other than the occasional short time at Santos / Raymond, and I never go to the bars / buy ladies drinks, I am young so can get by approaching girls when I see them throughout the day and exchanging numbers.
As mentioned could sign a lease to get a cheaper place, and could cut food down, and get a girl one out of every 3 days instead of every other day and be pretty close to that 600 number. But I doubt many people would be happy with the life I live.
I'm a simple guy, downloading sports / tv / movies to watch and a sexy friend to come over every other day and I'm happy, I also work on the internet 8 hours a day which kills a lot of my time, if I didn't do that boredom would definitely set in.
Screaming Beaver
12-25-13, 04:35
Walking the streets of Fields Ave today I've never had so many wish me a Merry Christmas which of course is code for 'give me money'. The only guy who is not cheerful is the cripple with one limb who lumbers around on a make shift skate board. Too much competition for him.
I am considering either Thailand or pi for post retirement living. I am considering moving between the cities. I should have +5000 a month for living expenses. Not sure it makes sense to buying a car / motorbike / house in these places or simply rent something. I understand medical care is available in PI but not sure of the level in Thailand. I down to a couple of years before I get to try these places out. Any other locations make sense?I'm a fan of a motorbike outside any major metropolitan area, but you know doctors call a motorcyclist, don't ya? A donor. In the Philippines' urban areas the taxis are dirt cheap, and parking can be a hassle. Yet when it's raining heavily and I can't flag down a taxi I do wish I had a car. In the provinces it's trike and jeep.
Re housing. I have friends who own and friends who rent in both countries. Many of the condo owners have buyer's remorse because it was an emotional purchase; fell in love with the place on a short vacation, bought a condo thinking they could rent it easily before they retired, and it didn't go to plan. Some areas, particularly in Thailand, have been overbuilt so there's a glut. The happiest are those who own land (in the wife's name) and have built a few bungalows to rent. I also have a friend who lost it all to his wife in Sri Lanka. I'm not yet retired but I like the idea of renting because if I tire of a place I can simply pack up and more elsewhere. If you're determined to own I'd wait a long while to explore the different places and then dig into the details once you find a locale you want to settle in permanently. Probably a good idea to rent for 6 months in your dream location to make sure it's everything you imagine it to be.
Re hospitals. Metro Manila has St. Luke's and Makati Medical Centre that offer fine medical care. There's also Medical City but I've never been there. A good buddy had his valves replaced at Bangkok's Bumrungrad and he raved about the place. But, do you intend to retire to a megalopolis? I don't. I've been to hospitals in the provinces of both countries and though they're rough the care for non life threatening issues has been acceptable. It's just a lot easier to communicate with the staff in the Philippines.
Walking the streets of Fields Ave today I've never had so many wish me a Merry Christmas which of course is code for 'give me money'. The only guy who is not cheerful is the cripple with one limb who lumbers around on a make shift skate board. Too much competition for him.Yeh, I know the cripple you are talking about. The guy is no good, if you give him something, eg P20, he snarls at you. Never happy even if collecting. Its not a matter of competition, its his reputation for pulling an ugly face even if someone gives him something. Once you give him something, and you look like passing him next time without contributing, he will call out aggressively towards you. Consequently, I and many others look straight ahead and ignore him. Seen him in Ermita too, same guy, LOL.
I live in Angeles on 900 a month, could be done cheaper if I wanted to sign a 6 month lease but I don't want to be tied down.
Rough break down is a little over 300 for accommodation. 45ish for visa. 240ish for food. 15ish for miscellaneous and 300ish for girls.
I never pay barfines other than the occasional short time at Santos / Raymond, and I never go to the bars / buy ladies drinks, I am young so can get by approaching girls when I see them throughout the day and exchanging numbers.
As mentioned could sign a lease to get a cheaper place, and could cut food down, and get a girl one out of every 3 days instead of every other day and be pretty close to that 600 number. But I doubt many people would be happy with the life I live.
I'm a simple guy, downloading sports / tv / movies to watch and a sexy friend to come over every other day and I'm happy, I also work on the internet 8 hours a day which kills a lot of my time, if I didn't do that boredom would definitely set inSo your breakdown is,
1. $300 = 12, 000 peso approx for rent- Is it in a nice area, gated, security or just an ordinary place?
2. $240 = 10, 000 peso approx for food. Do you cook yourself, buy from local markets, never eat out? Even breakfast alone costs 150 pesos in AC. Do not know how you manage it.
3. $15 = 600 pesos approx for misc. How about your internet, electricity, water bills? What about laundry, soap, personal hygiene items? Math does not add up.
4. $300 = 12, 000 pesos approx for girls. I am sure you can just give a girl monthly allowance and she will be happy to stay and have sex with you. You cannot afford to pay any barfine or go bar hopping which you said you do not do. But for other guys it is a must at least couple of times a month.
I think $2000 per month is the minimum to have a good life in Angeles city.
PussyFeelsGood
12-25-13, 20:50
So your breakdown is,
1. $300 = 12, 000 peso approx for rent- Is it in a nice area, gated, security or just an ordinary place?
2. $240 = 10, 000 peso approx for food. Do you cook yourself, buy from local markets, never eat out? Even breakfast alone costs 150 pesos in AC. Do not know how you manage it.
3. $15 = 600 pesos approx for misc. How about your internet, electricity, water bills? What about laundry, soap, personal hygiene items? Math does not add up.
4. $300 = 12, 000 pesos approx for girls. I am sure you can just give a girl monthly allowance and she will be happy to stay and have sex with you. You cannot afford to pay any barfine or go bar hopping which you said you do not do. But for other guys it is a must at least couple of times a month.
I think $2000 per month is the minimum to have a good life in Angeles city.$2000 a month is way more than you need.
I live in a hotel that does monthly stays and its nothing special, many will just ask them, so I don't have to pay for internet, and my electric and water are metered but they are in the little over 300 (usually 310ish) that I mentioned, soap and shampoo are free to!
Laundry is dirt cheap and I live out of a backpack, spend maybe 3 a month on that, unlimited texts for 5. 50ish.
Sure I eat out I just don't go to expensive places, the most I ever pay for a meal is 5ish, I generally eat 2 meals a day and a snack of nuts / bananas / raisins all very cheap. 75% of my meals are eating out.
What I do is once every week or two I have a cheap eating day where I eat ramen for one meal and something else cheap for another, if you go to sm you can get enough hamburger for 2 burgers for 1.50, you can get enough chicken to put in some noodles for. 50, its very easy to eat cheaply when most meals are 5 or less.
Again 2000 is just so much more than one needs to live here, even if I were to spend 250 more a month to overpay for Kandi suites, eat for 350 a month, and up my entertainment budget 250 more to allow for barhopping that would put me around 1500.
You have to remember the guy asking about this is hoping to live on 600 a month, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he isn't expecting to get a life of luxury out of that, some guys need a nice apartment, flashy watch, nice clothes, expensive drinks, and to ring some silly bell, others just want a simple life and someone to join them in bed every once in awhile.
Even if I were rich I couldn't see myself spending 2000 a month in Angeles, if I did it was just because I felt like being a generous tipper and sharing the wealth.
Hello everyone,
First of all, thank you for all your posts.
I would like to give my opinion regarding retirement.
I have seen you speak about Philippines and sometimes Thailand.
From my opinion, the differences are:
Thailand is cheaper in housing; I pay 250 euro per month (plus elec. And water) for my mini one-bedroom flat well located. There are cheaper options but far away from the center, or even more expensive options near to the beach.
Here, girls are more expensive than in Philippines.
But the worst is the level of nice ladies is decreasing and prices are rising (of everything).
Philippines is more expensive in housing, although I have no experience renting a room for a month in AC, I have heard it is around 500 euro per month. (please correct me if I am wrong)
Ladies are cheaper, and better.
But something I do not like it is one has almost nothing to do in daytime except looking for girls, lack of different entertainment, plus a wise range of good restaurants.
And I say again; please correct me if I am wrong.
Thank you
. SNIP.
What I do is once every week or two I have a cheap eating day where I eat ramen for one meal and something else cheap for another, if you go to sm you can get enough hamburger for 2 burgers for 1. 50, you can get enough chicken to put in some noodles for. 50, its very easy to eat cheaply when most meals are 5 or less
. SNIP. .I acknowledge that obviously P F G has made this choice for himself but for me, this sort of life living on "the edge" regarding expenses is certainly not what I am looking forward to whenever I decide to retire.
I haven't worked hard all my life to then move to a place requiring me to exist on this daily regimen. I cannot imagine planning every day's meals down to the last 150 to 200 php and subsisting on cheap burgers or packet noodles flavored with chicken pieces.
At another level; one thing most guys don't seem to factor in is the eventual costs of medical care. No matter how resistant you are to everything (except Kryptonite) you are going to need medical care sometime (one day?). Even a simple hernia correction at a cheap hospital will cost you 50, 000 php or more. I can only assume they have some form of military pension medical insurance protecting them or they just left out the yearly premiums when they discuss the costs of daily living.
Streetlooker
12-26-13, 08:49
PFG is a classic example of the life I seek. I would live in a hotel also cause you get all the comforts it provides in the cost of the room. Free maid service, pool, exercise room WiFi, cable, AC, electricity, Hot water safety deposit box and privacy of a hotel guest. I am also going for a time limit of 3 min to up to 5 yrs max so I will have a escape plan and a length of time to budget for. I not seeking responsibility for another person so a live in girlfriend is out of the question. ST only with the 3 day limit on any girl I might want to be with. I really do want to be alone for a while without being tied down to anything restrictive.
At another level; one thing most guys don't seem to factor in is the eventual costs of medical care. No matter how resistant you are to everything (except Kryptonite) you are going to need medical care sometime (one day?). Even a simple hernia correction at a cheap hospital will cost you 50, 000 php or more. I can only assume they have some form of military pension medical insurance protecting them or they just left out the yearly premiums when they discuss the costs of daily living.Fully agree. Medical care for a foreigner in any country is very costly. If you can't show a golden credit card at check in, they will let you rot on the stairway. No one cares of you if you can't show $$$
Have an escape plan: keep your base care running in the country where you are a citizen and got rights. Then get a "home-fly-back" insurance, which does not cost you much but can safe your ass in case. And don't dream of a local nurse: the good ones will ask for 20. 000 Peso salary and the bad ones will kill you quickly.
To stay in a hotelroom over a long period is easy but it does not give you any privacy. Better look at airbnb. Com to rent an appartment.
NomadicMong
12-26-13, 12:01
Hi,
Returned to US after 10 days in AC. It is my 7th trip in 7 months to AC this year.
Few pointers for those want recent info
1. Christmas Crowd was very very less. Think about Dollhouse running empty that is house it has been for few days. It is such a thin crowd overall.
2. For some reason, Bar names are changing. Don't get surprised if you don't find your favorite bar. It is the same bar with same owner and manager. They are changing the names. One Eye Witch and Typhoon has changed the names to some thing like Manson or some thing else.
3, My fav, bar "Players" is closed. Few girls moved to Q Bar. That place is going to be restaurant looks like. We certainly need some good food in AC. Hope this new place will fill in well. 4. Party Animal is normal. Ranges from 1800 to 3000 peso
5. Lollipop is has pumped up their line up. Surprise to see some new good looking faces
6. As always Q Bar is full and entertaining
7. Be mindful of the Fields Ave. Road construction is going on as I left on 25th. So walking with pointed shoes will be a challenge.
8. It is very hot there.
9. Few new bars are planned to be open. One being the remodeled Dollhouse hotel I was told for niche customers
In general good to see AC is still keeping up with all fun and entertainment in spite of resent events in Oct / Nov.
Let me know if you need some specific recent info about AC.
NomadicMong
12-26-13, 12:04
Hi,
Do any one know what happened to Gladys in Player. Here is her old photo.
Please let me know or PM me.
Cwerburg99
12-26-13, 19:50
Hello All,
Just joined this site yesterday,
I booked my first ever trip to Ph.
Leaving Sat 28th. One day to go. Can not wait.
Ok, from a lot of research, here is what I have planned.
Would love to get advice from regular punters.
28th. 31st in Manila, Ermita. Not sure of too many places
To go there, haven't really planned anything for the first night, but second day, will plan to go to that Amour disco place. Lots of advice required here.
31st, Am going to try to get to AC. Not sure the best way, maybe Bus.
AC seems to offer what I planned the trip for, lots of bar hopping and hopefully barfines and lots of picture to post on here.
I've only booked till 2nd and was thinking of somehow getting down to Subic Bay. Please advise here, is it worth me mucking around with travelling and wasting time to get to different locations or should I just concentrate on the numerous bars in AC for my first trip.
You help and guidence is appreciated.
Thanks
PussyFeelsGood
12-26-13, 20:49
Philippines is more expensive in housing, although I have no experience renting a room for a month in AC, I have heard it is around 500 euro per month. (please correct me if I am wrong)
Thank youI agree with most of your post but the 500 euro a month is actually more like Manila prices (and can do Manila cheaper then that actually)
You can definitely find a place in Angeles cheaper than that, I know of a reasonably nice place for $450 a month close to where I am now that does month to month, you can knock $40ish a month off if you want to sign a lease and could also probably negotiate down, and if you want to rent unfurnished in a more Philippino neighborhood can get for under $300.
I acknowledge that obviously P F G has made this choice for himself but for me, this sort of life living on "the edge" regarding expenses is certainly not what I am looking forward to whenever I decide to retire.
I haven't worked hard all my life to then move to a place requiring me to exist on this daily regimen. I cannot imagine planning every day's meals down to the last 150 to 200 php and subsisting on cheap burgers or packet noodles flavored with chicken pieces.Just because the burgers are cheap doesn't mean they are bad, really no difference between them and the burgers you would make whatever country you came from as far as I can tell.
I'm just pointing out that there are plenty of ways to eat cheaply here, and ramen really isn't that bad if you space out how often you have it.
PFG is a classic example of the life I seek. I would live in a hotel also cause you get all the comforts it provides in the cost of the room. Free maid service, pool, exercise room WiFi, cable, AC, electricity, Hot water safety deposit box and privacy of a hotel guest. I am also going for a time limit of 3 min to up to 5 yrs max so I will have a escape plan and a length of time to budget for. I not seeking responsibility for another person so a live in girlfriend is out of the question. ST only with the 3 day limit on any girl I might want to be with. I really do want to be alone for a while without being tied down to anything restrictive.Hate to break it to you but you aren't getting a hotel like that and living on $600 a month, don't expect a pool or a gym, and to be honest the "privacy of a hotel guest" is far less private than having your own apartment, it really sucks having to walk by the same people day after day after day after day even if you arent with a girl.
If you want a pool you are going to have to go to a different nicer hotel, walk in like you are a guest and they probably won't stop you, if they do just order a drink and they will let you swim, and there is a decent gym with aircon way way down perimeter for 1500ish a month.
I wouldn't come in with any hard and fast "no live in girlfriend. 3 days in a row max" rules. When I first moved to asia I really was afraid of falling in love after reading up on many boards for months so I had sort of the same rules, mine was actually a don't see the same girl more than 2 days in a row, but after being here a month I realized that I'm cold as ice, don't need to have that fear, and routinely see the same girls over and over if they are worth it.
I've never had a live in girlfriend here and don't ever plan on doing it so I can understand you not wanting that, all I'm saying is just be flexible in your thinking.
WestCoast1
12-27-13, 00:17
Hi,
Do any one know what happened to Gladys in Player. Here is her old photo.Probably she's out of the lifestyle now, back home in the province. And now that you've posted her name, face, and place of employment, it probably won't be long until her friends / family all know what she was previously doing to provide for them.
FreebieFan
12-27-13, 01:52
[QUOTE=WestCoast1; 1512213]Probably she's out of the lifestyle now, back home in the province. And now that you've posted her name, face, and place of employment, it probably won't be long until her friends / family all know what she was previously doing to provide for them. [/QUOT.
Except that generally a girls bar name isn't necessarily related to her real name. Altho Gladys hardly has the same ring as the " Heaven" " Princess" Tiffany" "Krystal " and other more common bar girls names. Me. I have my own bar name too, always ready for the " Hi whats your name " question.
FreebieFan
12-27-13, 01:56
At another level; one thing most guys don't seem to factor in is the eventual costs of medical care. No matter how resistant you are to everything (except Kryptonite) you are going to need medical care sometime (one day?). Even a simple hernia correction at a cheap hospital will cost you 50, 000 php or more. I can only assume they have some form of military pension medical insurance protecting them or they just left out the yearly premiums when they discuss the costs of daily living.Or if living in Phils, buy a blue cross programme that will cover everything you need in the international standard hospitals in Philippines. Yes there are some. Annual premiums for entry level programmes start at about P 20, 000 per year.
$2000 a month is way more than you need.
Again 2000 is just so much more than one needs to live here, How many different good looking girls are you able to fuck monthly on this kind of budget?
Luke Skywalker
12-27-13, 02:05
Hello All,
Just joined this site yesterday,
I booked my first ever trip to Ph.
Leaving Sat 28th. One day to go. Can not wait.
Ok, from a lot of research, here is what I have planned.
Would love to get advice from regular punters.
28th. 31st in Manila, Ermita. Not sure of too many places
To go there, haven't really planned anything for the first night, but second day, will plan to go to that Amour disco place. Lots of advice required here.
31st, Am going to try to get to AC. Not sure the best way, maybe Bus.
AC seems to offer what I planned the trip for, lots of bar hopping and hopefully barfines and lots of picture to post on here.
I've only booked till 2nd and was thinking of somehow getting down to Subic Bay. Please advise here, is it worth me mucking around with travelling and wasting time to get to different locations or should I just concentrate on the numerous bars in AC for my first trip.
You help and guidance is appreciated.
ThanksI'll give you some AC advice buddy. It's cheaper and more fun than Manila in my opinion. Probably others living in Manila have more informed opinions and advice, so I'll just stick to transport in Manila.
From Manila you can get a bus to AC pretty easily. The local aircon buses are around 150pp from Cubao bus station and it arrives at Dau bus station (2+ hours depending on traffic, could be quicker). From Dau you could take a trike to fields ave for 50-70pp or take a jeepney for 8pp to the fields area. (it stops at a park near fields, walk towards McDonalds and you'll see fields Ave). Fields Ave is the main bar street and for a first timer you'll spend your time there. If you are adventurous just continue down the street and there are lots of bars in what is called the perimeter road area.
You can also use the FLY THE BUS service or the SOUTHERN CROSS SHUTTLE SERVICE from Manila. FLY THE BUS leaves the swagman hotel in Manila at 1130am-330pm-830pm daily for 600pp. They'll take you to their hotel / travel agent in AC. From there you can get a trike to fields for 50-70pp.
The SOUTHERN CROSS SHUTTLE departs the southern cross hotel in Ermita at 330pm and takes you to orchid Inn in AC. (this hotel is in a great location for mongering, the standard rooms are a little tired, but adequate). I think it is 600pp, but you can google them and see for yourself.
Both those 2 bus companies also run buses to subic for around 500pp. Any hotel worth its salt can organize a bus ticket for you. Or any travel agent, of which there are many around AC.
As far as if you should bother with Subic or not. IMHO nup. The beach isn't that spectacular and neither are the bars. The sensory overload of your first trip to AC should be enough for a first timer.
My advice for AC is:
- Make sure you tell the girl what you expect from them in bed BEFORE you barfine them, so as not to be disappointed later. While some just say yes to everything, I find that when I have asked, I have received. (of course don't ask her in front of everyone!)
- If you want CIM BBBJ, some girls will not be up for that. But, if you go to A-Santos street or blow-row as its so aptly named, you won't be disappointed. The small bars behind Orchid Inn will also meet your needs. On perimeter, the Matrix Braun and the 3 (or 2 now?) bars around form Garfields are also BJ bars. (FYI A-Santos street is the long street that runs off fields ave directly opposite the Lancelot bar and has KoKoMos and Rhapsody on the corners. Walk 1 minute down the road and the bars are on your right and have rooms).
Other than that, getting laid in AC is about as challenging putting on a pair of socks.
Hope this helps.
Enjoy!
Mr Enternational
12-27-13, 04:31
Probably she's out of the lifestyle now, back home in the province. And now that you've posted her name, face, and place of employment, it probably won't be long until her friends / family all know what she was previously doing to provide for them.As if they: 1) Read ISG. 2) Didn't already know.
Just joined this site yesterday,
I booked my first ever trip to Ph.
. SNIP.
I've only booked till 2nd and was thinking of somehow getting down to Subic Bay. Please advise here, is it worth me mucking around with travelling and wasting time to get to different locations or should I just concentrate on the numerous bars in AC for my first trip.
You help and guidence is appreciated.If you wish to get full detailed information through private messages from guys who are a bit wary about posting such detail on the open board, pay up for a full membership and then you will have really "joined this site".
... and to be honest the "privacy of a hotel guest" is far less private than having your own apartment, it really sucks having to walk by the same people day after day after day after day even if you arent with a girl.Yes and no. I'm in a condo where we have to pass a security guard to enter the complex before entering the lobby where the front desk staff is. Then it's wait for an elevator and board. Often with neighbors, most of whom are Filipino. I see the same faces often enough and I'm sure they note the different faces with me. I also spend much of my leisure time at the pool, often with a girl.
When meeting new girls I always do so at a major landmark next to my condo. I've been there often enough that the guards there greet me every time I walk by. :p
For girls who've been to my place often enough I no longer meet them outside. They just walk to the front desk, hand over an ID, and the guy calls my unit. I've had a few girls tell me the front desk clerks are gossips. For instance a few months ago a girl dropped by uninvited at 1030pm and asked whether I was in. The guy told her I was in my unit with another girl. LOL. Gee, thanks! I spoke to the condo manager and requested he inform them to limit their actions to simply calling my unit and answering "I don't know," for everything else.
Anyway, I feel there's a bit too much sensitivity by those who fret about the "walk of shame". Enjoy your place. Enjoy your girl. Enjoy the Philippines.
Mr Enternational
12-27-13, 04:59
I've only booked till 2nd and was thinking of somehow getting down to Subic Bay. Please advise here, is it worth me mucking around with travelling and wasting time to get to different locations or should I just concentrate on the numerous bars in AC for my first trip.If it's my first time in a place or somewhere I don't go to often then I want to see as much of it as I can. I go to PI twice / year. The first night I spend in Manila. The next day I go to a place for scuba diving that I haven't been to before. I leave there and go stay in AC for a couple of days for my flight back to Thailand. I couldn't go to PI just to wonder around AC bars. There are different strokes for different folks though. A member summed it up perfectly in the Dominican Republic thread earlier today. Like him, mongering is not my primary reason for traveling to a place.
I agree that if you're sole or overriding purpose in visiting the DR is to monger, then there are easier places than Santo Domingo to do it, Spanish or no. Sosua is probably the number one spot. Personally, and this is just me, I find the mongering scene there gross. I like the north coast, but personally, mongering is not a primary reason for me to travel anywhere. Secondary, maybe.
I don't mean this as an offense to anyone, but one of the reasons I take this board with a grain of salt is that it seems to operate on the premise that everyone on ISG goes to the DR for the overriding purpose to monger. Personally, I'm more content to be with 1 or 2 chicas and to have a good time seeing different parts of the country.
I believe there are other people like me and plenty of people in between. Not everyone is alike and has the same goals.
NomadicMong
12-27-13, 06:42
Probably she's out of the lifestyle now, back home in the province. And now that you've posted her name, face, and place of employment, it probably won't be long until her friends / family all know what she was previously doing to provide for them.Very valid point WestCost1. Just FYI, most of the girls (not all) family know about their girls working in AC. Please note that in many communities, working in AC is not considered taboo as we think in USA. It is another profession where they work hard and earn money, mostly for their family. If you travel in Samar, many villages you will see this is an accepted profession even though it is not talked about in dinner table.
In spite of my rationale and the reason to find a girl I like, you have a very valid point. I agree with you. My mistake. If I know how to remove my post or some one let me know, I will remove it.
As if they: 1) Read ISG. 2) Didn't already know.Correct. We are the naive ones, not them, LOL.
Streetlooker
12-27-13, 09:09
When I say Privacy and security of a hotel guest. I mean that I can go to my room put the Do not disturb sign on my door and not be bothered by anyone. I can then just be by myself watch tv or be on internet and chill out and have security of knowing nobody is a coming knocking on my door cause you can have front desk tell anyone that might be there to see you your not available at this time. I also can sleep without thinking someone will break into my room and rob me. This I do not think is possible if you are living in a small apartment someplace in town unless its a gated community and even then you will have little security. Has far has walking by the same people everyday those people if your a guest of the hotel are there to serve you.
FreebieFan
12-27-13, 10:11
For girls who've been to my place often enough I no longer meet them outside. They just walk to the front desk, hand over an I'd, and the guy calls my unit. I've had a few girls tell me the front desk clerks are gossips. For instance a few months ago a girl dropped by uninvited at 1030pm and asked whether I was in. The guy told her I was in my unit with another girl. LOL. Gee, thanks! I spoke to the condo manager and requested he inform them to limit their actions to simply calling my unit and answering "I don't know," for everything else.Good luck with that. They won't change purely and simply because its in their nature, their DNA to gossip. Watch the telenovas and they endlessly provide reinforceing behaviour patterns of adults. Vindictive, gossipy and nosy.
Ask any security guard if he saw the little old lady with her shopping bags. Huh. Who. But ask him if he saw the pretty young abae and of course he did.
Not forgetting that your business is very much their business.
Ask any security guard if he saw the little old lady with her shopping bags. Huh. Who. But ask him if he saw the pretty young abae and of course he did.Me, too. :p
Cwerburg99
12-27-13, 15:04
Hi guys,
Esp Luke Skywalker, Thankyou.
Great advice, I'm feeling a little more comfortble about travelling from manila to AC.
I will certainly write up my experiences in travels from a / port to ermita, ermita to AC.
I think I will stay in AC through to the end, If its anything I've heard about and seen few youtube clips about, I'll need a little time to enjoy it thoroughly.
About the advice on specifics of sexual acts. I'm so glad you told me, I would have just barfined any chick that took my fancy and probably would have spoilt it for the next guy.
I do have some very specific checklists to tick off and hopefully pics will be taken to show it.
More on this, natural sex, is this ok for most bargirls? I have had my tests done etc and I hear that most girls get tested weekly or should I pack a barrel full of doms?
Also, Are there any Sex Shops to buy vibrators, lube, doms etc. I don't want to be carrying this through airport security.
Although I don't have a problem before my first pop, I would like to be able to keep going after many pops in quick succession.
I have a 4pk viagra locked and loaded, however, if more is required where is the best place to get the real non-life threatning.
Pfizer genuine product is available.
I know not to buy from the streets, but has anyone bought this from any chemists in AC with good results and survived to see their second and third trips.
To all, thankyou for your helpful tips and tricks and advice, I really appreciate it.
Ohh also BTW, I'm a paid up member.
6hours 40 mins to go till take-off, so excited.
Thankyou all.
In February I have scheduled a trip to Angeles together with a friend of mine. We will land in Manila and since it is my friend's virgin trip to the Pinas I would like offer my friend a memorable transfer to Angeles with a greeting and transfer service including a nice girl and some action in the car! Any contact for booking of this special all inclusive transfer service will be very much appreciated!
Hi guys,
Esp Luke Skywalker, Thankyou.
Great advice, I'm feeling a little more comfortble about travelling from manila to AC.
I will certainly write up my experiences in travels from a / port to ermita, ermita to AC.
I think I will stay in AC through to the end, If its anything I've heard about and seen few youtube clips about, I'll need a little time to enjoy it thoroughly.
About the advice on specifics of sexual acts. I'm so glad you told me, I would have just barfined any chick that took my fancy and probably would have spoilt it for the next guy..I can only answer you are question regarding vitamin V. I like buying mine at Watson's Pharmacy. Just walk up to the counter and tell the girl you want some 100mg Viagra. She will blush and then ask you if you want the generic ones? Much cheaper and works the same. Then ask for the super-sized condoms and she will then giggle!
PussyFeelsGood
12-27-13, 20:41
Hi guys,
Just wanted to alert you all of increased number of scams against foreigners by freelancer street girls. The reasons for this increase are following.
1. There was a recent sweep of street girls by the Police and part of the condition to get out of jail early without paying fine was to team up with Police to scam the foreigners.
2. Hurricane Yolanda has done a lot of damage in the areas where these girls came from and they want a lot of money very quickly.
3. Because of increased awareness of these scams, foreigners are not picking up the street girls like before, as a result there is less demand for the street girls and hence girls have to look at other ways to make the money...This post just reeks of BS.
I'm pretty sure there aren't even that many streetwalkers around in Angeles.
Pip Jaeger
12-28-13, 03:44
More on this, natural sex, is this ok for most bargirls? I have had my tests done etc and I hear that most girls get tested weekly or should I pack a barrel full of doms?Bare backing is usually ok with them, but you should clarify before leaving the bar. You may want to get tested after you're back home, the "tests" they get at their weekly checkups are a joke. A quick visual inspection and smear with a cotton swab that only gets a cursory check for bacterial infections (if at all). The weekly checkups are more for posterity as well as a money making scam for the owners of the clinics (who also pay kickbacks to the police and bar owners).
Also, Are there any Sex Shops to buy vibrators, lube, doms etc. I don't want to be carrying this through airport security.Hard to find in MNL and I don't know of any, but in AC right across from Atlantis is a shop called "Nice and Naughty". They carry a full line toys, leather goods and costumes. Prices are about the same as the adult stores in USA. Lube can also be bought at just about any pharmacy. BTW, no need to worry about carrying anything like lube or vibe's through the airport in your checked in luggage. They're not illegal and if you do get checked they will at most have a good laugh, but make sure the batteries are removed; you wouldn't want a vibrator coming on by accident, that's a sure way to raise to some eyebrows, LOL. And put your lube in a zip-lock type baggie; the reason's obvious.
I have a 4pk viagra locked and loaded, however, if more is required where is the best place to get the real non-life threatening Pfizer genuine product is available.
I know not to buy from the streets, but has anyone bought this from any chemists in AC with good results and survived to see their second and third trips.Last year I bought the Pfiser branded V at Mercury Drugs in Makati. I think I paid 700p for a 4 pack of 100mg each. I picked up a pill splitter and cut them into four pieces as 100mg was way too strong. That size dosage seemed to work just fine for me, but after doing a bit of testing I found that I prefer Cialis. I get the 20mg generic from India and cut those in half. Some side effects from V bothered me (mostly indigestion and heartburn) and I don't get any from C.
We'll be looking forward to your FR's and photos. It's always cool the hear the impressions from someone's first trip.
NomadicMong
12-28-13, 04:07
Last week,"Nice and Naughty" was closed all days. Not sure why. If you want, ask one of the bar manager. A guy comes around and sells toys in the bar. The bar manager can contact him and get what you want.
Bare backing is usually ok with them, but you should clarify before leaving the bar. You may want to get tested after you're back home, the "tests" they get at their weekly checkups are a joke. A quick visual inspection and smear with a cotton swab that only gets a cursory check for bacterial infections (if at all). The weekly checkups are more for posterity as well as a money making scam for the owners of the clinics (who also pay kickbacks to the police and bar owners).
Hard to find in MNL and I don't know of any, but in AC right across from Atlantis is a shop called "Nice and Naughty". They carry a full line toys, leather goods and costumes. Prices are about the same as the adult stores in USA. Lube can also be bought at just about any pharmacy. BTW, no need to worry about carrying anything like lube or vibe's through the airport in your checked in luggage. They're not illegal and if you do get checked they will at most have a good laugh, but make sure the batteries are removed; you wouldn't want a vibrator coming on by accident, that's a sure way to raise to some eyebrows, LOL. And put your lube in a zip-lock type baggie; the reason's obvious.
Last year I bought the Pfiser branded V at Mercury Drugs in Makati. I think I paid 700p for a 4 pack of 100mg each. I picked up a pill splitter and cut them into four pieces as 100mg was way too strong. That size dosage seemed to work just fine for me, but after doing a bit of testing I found that I prefer Cialis. I get the 20mg generic from India and cut those in half. Some side effects from V bothered me (mostly indigestion and heartburn) and I don't get any from C.
We'll be looking forward to your FR's and photos. It's always cool the hear the impressions from someone's first trip.
WhatsUrName
12-28-13, 04:33
More on this, natural sex, is this ok for most bargirls? I have had my tests done etc and I hear that most girls get tested weekly or should I pack a barrel full of doms?Pip Jaeger is correct. Barebacking them is something you should definitely clarify with the your barfine candidate up front. They may or may not resist, but in the end they will probably let you bareback them. My personal experience is that the ladies are more worried about getting pregnant than catching an STD. Thus, as long as you assure them that you will not come inside them, you will probably be ok.
Good luck and have fun.
Wicked Roger
12-28-13, 06:40
Hard to find in MNL and I don't know of any, but in AC right across from Atlantis is a shop called "Nice and Naughty". They carry a full line toys, leather goods and costumes. Prices are about the same as the adult stores in USA. Lube can also be bought at just about any pharmacy. BTW, no need to worry about carrying anything like lube or vibe's through the airport in your checked in luggage. They're not illegal and if you do get checked they will at most have a good laugh, but make sure the batteries are removed; you wouldn't want a vibrator coming on by accident, that's a sure way to raise to some eyebrows, LOL. And put your lube in a zip-lock type baggie; the reason's obvious.As you would suspect Pip, I do know of shops in Manila but I find the prices horrendous when compared with the UK, USA and Australia. I always buy and bring in and as you know, my collection is growing with both cheap and decent brands (such as LeLo)
A Google will tell you where in Manila these shops are so would a RTFF where I gave some web sites as some have retail outlets. But for me pricing is the issue.
Was once stopped by security as had handcuffs in the carry on (tip. Always place the naughty stuff in the main bags). The guard asked me about the cuffs, I pointed to the cutie with me and he smiled so I went off with no questions.
As for V etc, there are some rumours that in some places the stuff sold on the streets are no good and could cause damage so maybe have some caution and buy from a known supplier.
I was reminded of these post.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1403944&viewfull=1#post1403944
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1403991&viewfull=1#post1403991
PussyFeelsGood
12-28-13, 22:00
How many different good looking girls are you able to fuck monthly on this kind of budget?Every month is different and I do things differently than most guys obviously, I walk around a lot and collect pretty girls numbers, some months you go through a drought where all of them just respond with "come see me at my bar!" or ignore you or say they will come see you but never actually do.
Then other months you have the opposite and every one comes over, but generally I get something every other day and in the down times I just resort to a girl I met here who is always available and gives amazing head (not a bad fallback option) or go to Raymond / Santos and see what's available.
FreebieFan
12-29-13, 03:19
Was once stopped by security as had handcuffs in the carry on (tip. Always place the naughty stuff in the main bags). The guard asked me about the cuffs, I pointed to the cutie with me and he smiled so I went off with no questions.And a word of caution for those who enter or depart Singapore. Handcuffs, even if pink and furry are totally on the banned list and you face arrest for having them in bag. Vibes are fine but handcuffs. A serious no no.
Mr Enternational
12-29-13, 03:32
And a word of caution for those who enter or depart Singapore. Handcuffs, even if pink and furry are totally on the banned list and you face arrest for having them in bag. Vibes are fine but handcuffs. A serious no no.I think that is pretty much anywhere. You can put them in your check-in luggage, but not your carry-on luggage.
Wicked Roger
12-29-13, 05:44
I think that is pretty much anywhere. You can put them in your check-in luggage, but not your carry-on luggage.In the carry no no am sure anywhere but some countries as FF said don't let us enjoy out past times even it if the items are packed in the check in bags (sad smilie here!)
The Middle East springs to mind at time where friends have been 'caught' with toys, Wicked Willy videos and assortment of other 'items'. One had a fake naval uniform and handcuffs and spend 24 hours in detention trying to explain himself. Hard when he had been visiting a number of sex clubs in Europe using the uniform and cuffs in role play. You don't say that to the Middle East policemen as they may think you are fair game for the non visitor hours LOL.
I think rather fitting LOL.
See link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WuLtOQ0BCk
Cwerburg99
12-29-13, 17:47
Hi guys,
My first trip and 2 days in. I have much to tell.
Today, I went to LA Cafe (baycafe) and was approached by 2 girls, they wanted 3000 for both, I said, I just want one girl and not you. Her. Think she got a little upset at that, but honestly, the other one was way hotter. Anyway, they didn't want to split, so they started working on a Japanese national that sat by them.
A large girl came behind me and was touching me up and started asking for me to buy her a drink, I said no.
10 mins later, I left.
Started walking back to hotel, around the block when a taxi stopped and gestured me over, I got in and told him I looking for a bargirl, with little English, he said he'll take me to a place.
When we got there, I said no way man. I'm not getting out here. The place looked very dangerous and he took me to some place where I choose in an appartment then take the girl back to my hotel. I said no, take me to the Edsa complex, so he did.
It was about 6pm, so it was dead.
I walked in and I was the only punter in the first bar, ordered a drink and there was 3 girls just standing on the dancing floor.
I got bored and walked out.
I then was gestured into the bar "Pittstop".
A number of fixers talking to me and pointing at the girls on stage, I ordered a drink and by this time, I'm thinking, I just want to fuck. So one of the fixers said the barfine is 1850, which one I want?
So I pointed out a very nice looking girl. I thought I was seeing double when 2 girls looked alike.
The fixer said they are sisters. I said I want the one with the tattoo.
So she came over to us and then I was pressured on buying 2 girl drinks. 500p. Ok, thats fine I thought.
Then the fixer said, you want to take "Jana" to my hotel, I said yes.
So I paid 2000p barfine. No change by the way.
And shortly after she got changed we were eventually off in a taxi back to Ermita.
Got to the hotel, security took her ID and she came up to my room.
After a couple of cigarettes and bullshit talking, she said she wanted to use the bathroom, I said no worries, gave her a towel and I got undressed.
She came out and I couldn't help myself, so I put her on the bed and then we were fucking.
She did take a condom out, but I said, I'll give her a tip and I was inside her.
We sexed 3-4 times, came numerous times (not inside her). Then she put on the tv. Was watching bad boys, and then she says, she needs to go. So I said, ok, if you want to go no problem.
She already found out at this stage that tonight is my last night in Manila and I travelling to Angelese Tomm.
Anyways, I got dressed, she got dressed, I gave her a couple of aussie key rings, a pack of dunhill cigerettes, and I put 500p on her Cigs.
When she saw it, she grabs it and says, what is this, I say, its a tip for you.
She then says, no. I want 3000.
I said what the fuck. 3000, I already paid the barfine of 2000.
She goes that money is for the club and my charge is 3000.
I said, fuck no, I'm not giving you 3000.
So I realised I'm getting fleeced here, so she sat down and said she's not going until she gets 3000.
So I pull out another 300p in smaller notes and aid, here, thats all I have. She still refuses and wants 3000.
I said I got no more, and no you go.
And she started saying come back to the pittstop and you speak to the mamasan, she not tell you, you need to give me 3000.
I said nope, I'm not going anywhere.
She refused to leave, so I said, I'm phoning security downstairs, she goes thats fine.
I sat there and lit up a cig, just staring at her, then she goes, ok I'm going but you are in trouble and I will get someone to take money from you.
I didn't say anything, she left, and I closed and locked my door.
2 mins later, I get a call from security to say,"sir, your guest is leaving now", I said, yup.
So, yes, I got fleeced for an extra 300p, but with that kind of attitude, I got fleeced for 800p.
This is at the pittstop bar in edsa complex, so if others are reading this, please be aware that they will take advantage of a foreigner that has never been to this country and never barfined before.
I'm heading into Angelese Tomm with a completely different attitude now.
I will not be shy, I will not tell anyone that its my first trip, I will be nice with the girls, but I will call the shots.
I will be saying that I've been here a couple of times before, so that they don't rip me off.
Just because she knew I'm not staying in Manila, that's why she decided to rip me off.
Anyways, all in all, I paid 2800p for a great fuck and I'm still pretty happy.
But hell, I've learnt quite a bit from the experience too.
She was only with me for a couple of hours as well. She knew how to screw me.
She was kinda crap in bed as well, but she was hot, therefore the tip.
Has this ever happened to anyone else?
Hi guys,
My first trip and 2 days in. I have much to tell.
Today, I went to LA Cafe (baycafe) and was approached by 2 girls, they wanted 3000 for both, I said, I just want one girl and not you. Her. Think she got a little upset at that, but honestly, the other one was way hotter. Anyway, they didn't want to split, so they started working on a Japanese national that sat by them.
A large girl came behind me and was touching me up and started asking for me to buy her a drink, I said no.
10 mins later, I left.
Started walking back to hotel, around the block when a taxi stopped and gestured me over, I got in and told him I looking for a bargirl, with little English, he said he'll take me to a place.
When we got there, I said no way man. I'm not getting out here. The place looked very dangerous and he took me to some place where I choose in an appartment then take the girl back to my hotel. I said no, take me to the Edsa complex, so he did....What you did was so wrong on so many levels. First of all you went to the LA Cafe way too early. You should have waited until at least 9:00 to go there. After 10:00pm there is usually at least 200 girls there. Pay anywhere from 1500-3000php all night. Or go across the street to the Amazonia where maybe 80 girls and 10 guys there. 1000 for all night depending on the looks of the girl of course. I was there last month on a Sunday night and it was packed at 11:00pm. Some real stunners there.
The bars in the EDSA complex do charge a barfine. The 1750 was relatively (ok 2000) cheap because you went during happy hour when the barfines are half priced. The bars do keep all of the money. You also were supposed to pay her also separately. This you should have discussed about first and the time she was going to leave. Angeles City and Manila are very different in this aspect. 4 times in a couple of hours? 800php is cheap 2000 would have been fair imo. Live and learn.
WhatsUrName
12-30-13, 04:02
Hi guys,
My first trip and 2 days in. I have much to tell.
Anyways, all in all, I paid 2800p for a great fuck and I'm still pretty happy.
But hell, I've learnt quite a bit from the experience too.
She was only with me for a couple of hours as well. She knew how to screw me.
She was kinda crap in bed as well, but she was hot, therefore the tip.
Has this ever happened to anyone else?This is a conversation for the MANILA thread, not the ANGELES CITY thread, but in a nutshell, Manila go-go bars are different than AC. In Manila, you pay the barfine to the bar, and then pay the lady separately and on top of what you paid the bar. 3000 for Long time from a hottie is not unreasonable (2500 is about right), so IMHO you ripped her off.
In AC on the other hand, you pay the barfine, but you only need to pay the lady a tip if you so desire.
Cwerburg99
12-30-13, 04:12
This is a conversation for the MANILA thread, not the ANGELES CITY thread, but in a nutshell, Manila go-go bars are different than AC. In Manila, you pay the barfine to the bar, and then pay the girl separately and on top of what you paid the bar. 3000 for Long time from a hottie is not unreasonable (2000-2500 is about right) , so IMHO you ripped her off.
In AC on the other hand, you pay the barfine, but you only need to pay the girl a tip if you so desire.Ohh crap, now I feel very bad.
Its not very clear about the rules. Music is always too loud in the bars to understand what everyone is saying.
Ohh well, she was pleasured for a while, hopefully she'll get over it.
FreebieFan
12-30-13, 06:56
Hi guys,
I put 500p on her Cigs.
When she saw it, she grabs it and says, what is this, I say, its a tip for you.
She then says, no. I want 3000.
I said what the fuck. 3000, I already paid the barfine of 2000.
She goes that money is for the club and my charge is 3000.
I said, fuck no, I'm not giving you 3000.
So I realised I'm getting fleeced here, so she sat down and said she's not going until she gets 3000.
So I pull out another 300p in smaller notes and aid, here, thats all I have. She still refuses and wants 3000.
I said I got no more, and no you go.
And she started saying come back to the pittstop and you speak to the mamasan, she not tell you, you need to give me 3000.
I said nope, I'm not going anywhere.
She refused to leave, so I said, I'm phoning security downstairs, she goes thats fine.
I sat there and lit up a cig, just staring at her, then she goes, ok I'm going but you are in trouble and I will get someone to take money from you.
I didn't say anything, she left, and I closed and locked my door.
2 mins later, I get a call from security to say,"sir, your guest is leaving now", I said, yup.
So, yes, I got fleeced for an extra 300p, but with that kind of attitude, I got fleeced for 800p.
This is at the pittstop bar in edsa complex, so if others are reading this, please be aware that they will take advantage of a foreigner that has never been to this country and never barfined before.
I will be saying that I've been here a couple of times before, so that they don't rip me off.
Just because she knew I'm not staying in Manila, that's why she decided to rip me off.
Anyways, all in all, I paid 2800p for a great fuck and I'm still pretty happy.Welcome to the Philippines. No one, repeat no one was ripping you off nor taking advantage of you. You didn't know the system and in the process screwed the bg out of her normal earnings. The bg gets a small portion of the barfine but not a lot. Your lucky she didn't get her barangay mates and really screw you.
Theres so much info on this board reading it well will help you. And in Angelese bars don't go shouting out "whats the barfine". There are discussions that can held about to take girls out of bars, but there are "officially" no more barfines.
Read look and learn, and with some information, you will neither screw anyones nor be screwed.
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Hi guys,
My first trip and 2 days in. I have much to tell.
Today, I went to LA Cafe (baycafe) and was approached by 2 girls, they wanted 3000 for both, I said, I just want one girl and not you. Her. Think she got a little upset at that, but honestly, the other one was way hotter. Anyway, they didn't want to split, so they started working on a Japanese national that sat by them.
A large girl came behind me and was touching me up and started asking for me to buy her a drink, I said no.
10 mins later, I left.
Started walking back to hotel, around the block when a taxi stopped and gestured me over, I got in and told him I looking for a bargirl, with little English, he said he'll take me to a place.
When we got there, I said no way man. I'm not getting out here. The place looked very dangerous and he took me to some place where I choose in an appartment then take the girl back to my hotel. I said no, take me to the Edsa complex, so he did.
It was about 6pm, so it was dead...Well it looks like you screwed her out of her hard earned money. Bar fines are for the bar, the girls only gets about 20-30% of it. You have to pay the girl for her services. Normal rates in Manila are about 2,500 to 3,000.
She was correct in expecting you to pay her, you should have. Because of your lack of knowledge you pretty much screwed her over. I guess the other mistake here is they or she should have cleared up the payment terms before you left. I am actual a bit surprised because I can not remember a time when the girl did not make it perfectly clear what all the charges were. Sounds like you didn't do it on purpose, but being ignorant of the system is both of your faults.
Lay low and don't go there again. Or close to there probably. They will have a surprise for you if they see yo again- and its not a good surprise.
Cwerburg99
12-30-13, 09:14
welcome to the philippines. no one, repeat no one was ripping you off nor taking advantage of you. you didn't know the system and in the process screwed the bg out of her normal earnings. the bg gets a small portion of the barfine but not a lot. your lucky she didn't get her barangay mates and really screw you.
theres so much info on this board reading it well will help you. and in angelese bars don't go shouting out "whats the barfine". there are discussions that can held about to take girls out of bars, but there are "officially" no more barfines.
read look and learn, and with some information, you will neither screw anyones nor be screwed.true. i did not know the system and feel pretty f-ing bad about it now.
thinking of going back and making things right, but on the hand, not sure of my safety.
i'm doing a lot of reading now and make sure i'm up to speed with everything.
just took a walk around angeles city. i love it here, better than manila. the outlook seems like its a busier place, lots of hussle and bussle. i will definitely spend lots here, i have 30,000p to burn in a week.
don't care for the san mig beer very much, think i have to get used to it.
Mr Enternational
12-30-13, 11:22
Started walking back to hotel, around the block when a taxi stopped and gestured me over, I got in and told him I looking for a bargirl, with little English, he said he'll take me to a place.
When we got there, I said no way man. I'm not getting out here. The place looked very dangerous and he took me to some place where I choose in an appartment then take the girl back to my hotel. I said no, take me to the Edsa complex, so he did.It wasn't dangerous. It was a casa with probably about 15 women inside. They usually will start at 4000 to take a girl back to your hotel for long time, but they will settle for 3000 if you are a hard negotiator.
We sexed 3-4 times, came numerous times (not inside her). Then she put on the tv. Was watching bad boys, and then she says, she needs to go. So I said, ok, if you want to go no problem. Anyways, I got dressed, she got dressed, I gave her a couple of aussie key rings, a pack of dunhill cigerettes, and I put 500p on her Cigs. When she saw it, she grabs it and says, what is this, I say, its a tip for you. She then says, no. I want 3000. I said what the fuck. 3000, I already paid the barfine of 2000. She goes that money is for the club and my charge is 3000. I said, fuck no, I'm not giving you 3000. So I realised I'm getting fleeced here, so she sat down and said she's not going until she gets 3000. So I pull out another 300p in smaller notes and aid, here, thats all I have. She still refuses and wants 3000. This is at the pittstop bar in edsa complex, so if others are reading this, please be aware that they will take advantage of a foreigner that has never been to this country and never barfined before.Hilarious. Like everyone said, you fucked the girl over. EDSA complex is not for Cheap Charlies like me and you. The girl told you exactly what the score is. Usually when you ask a girl about leaving she will say X for the bar and Y for me. And it generally adds up to about 5000 pisos. I used to take guys through there just to see, but I don't even do that anymore. I stick to Manila Bay Cafe where I know I can get a girl for 1000 LT. 1500 max.
This is a conversation for the MANILA thread, not the ANGELES CITY thread, but in a nutshell, Manila go-go bars are different than AC. In Manila, you pay the barfine to the bar, and then pay the lady separately and on top of what you paid the bar. 3000 for Long time from a hottie is not unreasonable (2500 is about right) , so IMHO you ripped her off.
In AC on the other hand, you pay the barfine, but you only need to pay the lady a tip if you so desire.This guy had to know the system and the cost of his BF but played dumb and it worked. The bargirl got screwed and this is how a hardened pro is created.
Dumb people tend to get hurt in the Philippines so watch out.
Wicked Roger
12-30-13, 15:20
This guy had to know the system and the cost of his BF but played dumb and it worked. The bargirl got screwed and this is how a hardened pro is created.
Dumb people tend to get hurt in the Philippines so watch out.Good point Socker. And this is why the girls don't trusts us at times. Being a cheap Charlie IMHO makes life more difficult for us in the future. Boasting about it on this forum is also dumb IMHO. Showing some respect, being nice and 'generous' in terms of the payment etc makes us better people. Also read my FR about the Middle East and how guys pay 6000 pesos equivalent for a HJ for 30 mins and you realize that an extra $20 or so is nothing and is being nice.
PussyFeelsGood
12-31-13, 01:18
true. i did not know the system and feel pretty f-ing bad about it now.
thinking of going back and making things right, but on the hand, not sure of my safety.
i'm doing a lot of reading now and make sure i'm up to speed with everything.
just took a walk around angeles city. i love it here, better than manila. the outlook seems like its a busier place, lots of hussle and bussle. i will definitely spend lots here, i have 30, 000p to burn in a week.
don't care for the san mig beer very much, think i have to get used to it.if you go back there, smile, say you are sorry and give her the rest you won't be harmed.
true. i did not know the system and feel pretty f-ing bad about it now.
thinking of going back and making things right, but on the hand, not sure of my safety.
i'm doing a lot of reading now and make sure i'm up to speed with everything.
just took a walk around angeles city. i love it here, better than manila. the outlook seems like its a busier place, lots of hussle and bussle. i will definitely spend lots here, i have 30, 000p to burn in a week.
don't care for the san mig beer very much, think i have to get used to it.just make sure you stick to the system now. don't rip off another girl or you might get caught up and have someone tuning you up.
i am sure you will be fine as long as ou understand the payment system. just ask the girl and be completely clear on costs.
Hi guys,
She then says, no. I want 3000.
I said what the fuck. 3000, I already paid the barfine of 2000.
She goes that money is for the club and my charge is 3000.
I said, fuck no, I'm not giving you 3000.
So I realised I'm getting fleeced here, so she sat down and said she's not going until she gets 3000.
So I pull out another 300p in smaller notes and aid, here, thats all I have. She still refuses and wants 3000.
I said I got no more, and no you go.
And she started saying come back to the pittstop and you speak to the mamasan, she not tell you, you need to give me 3000.
I said nope, I'm not going anywhere.
She refused to leave, so I said, I'm phoning security downstairs, she goes thats fine.
I sat there and lit up a cig, just staring at her, then she goes, ok I'm going but you are in trouble and I will get someone to take money from you.
I didn't say anything, she left, and I closed and locked my door.
2 mins later, I get a call from security to say,"sir, your guest is leaving now", I said, yup.
So, yes, I got fleeced for an extra 300p, but with that kind of attitude, I got fleeced for 800p.
This is at the pittstop bar in edsa complex, so if others are reading this, please be aware that they will take advantage of a foreigner that has never been to this country and never barfined before.
I'm heading into Angelese Tomm with a completely different attitude now.
I will not be shy, I will not tell anyone that its my first trip, I will be nice with the girls, but I will call the shots.
I will be saying that I've been here a couple of times before, so that they don't rip me off.
Just because she knew I'm not staying in Manila, that's why she decided to rip me off.
Anyways, all in all, I paid 2800p for a great fuck and I'm still pretty happy.
But hell, I've learnt quite a bit from the experience too.
She was only with me for a couple of hours as well. She knew how to screw me.
She was kinda crap in bed as well, but she was hot, therefore the tip.
Has this ever happened to anyone else?Consider yourself lucky she did not cause you any drama. If you had read the Manila thread you would of seen that the girls expect a certain amount and you should of discussed it before leaving the bar.
500P in AC is a good tip, but sadly in Manila it is an insult. I now skip Manila and go directly to AC, as the pesos go further, no need for taxi and friendlier places to bar hop.
Chris Long
12-31-13, 23:38
What are current prices in AC, are the BJ bars on Santos and Raymond still 700 to 800, what about the gogo bars and freelancers.
Thanks,
Chris
Chris Long
01-01-14, 00:23
Hi,
Returned to US after 10 days in AC. It is my 7th trip in 7 months to AC this year.
Few pointers for those want recent info
1. Christmas Crowd was very very less. Think about Dollhouse running empty that is house it has been for few days. It is such a thin crowd overall.
2. For some reason, Bar names are changing. Don't get surprised if you don't find your favorite bar. It is the same bar with same owner and manager. They are changing the names. One Eye Witch and Typhoon has changed the names to some thing like Manson or some thing else...Thanks for the info.
Can you give current prices.
Chris
I'm interested in the answers to Chris Longs questions also.
I'll be in AC in a week and a half so it would be nice to have a heads up on the prices before I hit the ground running. Especially the Blow Row prices if they have changed.
I'm in AC now and surprised by the amounts the "freelancers" are demanding.
No, I don't mean the girls on the street, but the ones from DIA, facebook and the chat apps.
Several have asked for 3000p and rejected 1000p.
One gal who recently left her bar (one of the big bars) asked for 3k and rejected 2000p She's a facebook "friend", but we have never met, and now not likely to.
I guess they know the guys are paying 2000 to 3000p for barfines and expect the same, even though the bar takes a 50% cut.
A year or two ago I would give 1000p for short time and they seemed happy with that.
That's a helluva inflation!
A quick warning about freelancers and in-room safes.
I had dinner last night with an "old friend" who does some freelancing on the side and has some freelancer friends.
She told me about one of her freelancer friends who I know from a couple of years ago.
Her freelancer friend was taught how to open the hotel safes and stole a lot from a client in ABC. She sold the guy's stuff and wasted the cash on drugs.
Easy to google how to open the safe and I watched a pretty good video on youtube showing how to do it.
Very easy to do with some simple tools. The in room safes are very weak.
Also I read on tripadvisor a lot of complaints from guys about stuff being taken from their room safe in AC hotels. Those guys were accusing the hotel staff.
I'm now padlocking the wardrobe door as a bit of additional security.
Cheers
I'm in AC now and surprised by the amounts the "freelancers" are demanding.
No, I don't mean the girls on the street, but the ones from DIA, facebook and the chat apps.
Several have asked for 3000p and rejected 1000p.
One gal who recently left her bar (one of the big bars) asked for 3k and rejected 2000p She's a facebook "friend", but we have never met, and now not likely to.
I guess they know the guys are paying 2000 to 3000p for barfines and expect the same, even though the bar takes a 50% cut.
A year or two ago I would give 1000p for short time and they seemed happy with that.
That's a helluva inflation!Same prices as Manila, why bother to go so far away if the prices are the same?
John Traveller
01-02-14, 17:06
Finally back in good old AC, it's like coming home, or is it? Somethings are the same here but something is different. The atmosphere. The many latest raids has changed that. This place has changed gradually over the years becoming less good for the average punter. Still it has remained good, but what now? Police in the streets, police holding up customers in the Kokomos restaurant, agents in bars, and bars being reluctant to do bf. All this is new for me.
SNIP.
Sorry about this pessimism. And I certainly hope I am wrong about this: it seems like this is the end of an era, I can only recommend the friends of the old AC to come back while we are still in 2013. There are still gems to be found if you look around in the few still friendly places.Happy New Year 2014, AC
Yet another visit to AC and I am happy to report that this place is the same as allways. No problem picking up women. Last July I wrote the above quote "The end of an era?", the scene was not good then for sure. Now it's all back to "normal". In fact I have had some of the best time here ever. All friendly bars and lots of beautiful girls.
The dirty alliance between the authorities and the NGOs are broken, and my guess that we will not see it again for the next five years, at least. Just a guess of course. The NGO's wanted to close down the whole scene, but then they discovered that the police wasn't really into that. The police just wanted to continue what they always have done, to get "their" bucks! A closed bar cannot give them those. So the NGOs gave up. The number of tourists was reduced though, but those numbers have started to climb again now.
The raiding season goes on from March until November, so also this year, but I think we will be back to the old pre-2013 type of raids. The doomsdayers will of course not agree with this, but they can never be proven wrong anyway, they will allways just extend their doomsday date further into the future.
So just come on down here and have a hellagood time!
John Traveller
01-02-14, 17:25
Lots of good bars around now, so no reason to go to freelancer places and discos like High Society and Skytrax. IMO anyway, I find them boring.
Some recommended bars are,
Perimeter road: Modelline, Ice, Candy Bar, Dr Holms.
Field avenue: D'Club, La Bamba, and more.
Don't forget the smaller bars on the sidestreets nearby Fields!
Arrived AC after spending a few days in Manila. My reasons for coming here are personal, as well as for the gals. Just a few notes.
When I arrived here, had no hotel reservations. Came the 22th of December, and due to this being the highest of the high season, figured it might be difficult to find a room. Boy, I was wrong. Every hotel I went to had something, and nearly all offered me a room for under 1,500 p, and appeared would negotiate. Just few days ago walked up the perim noticed lots of really large, nice, new hotels, and what will / must go for a frigging fortune. I don't get it. Then again, ABC goes for a frigging fortune and appears to be doing well, while the place next to it, granted a sh*thole goes for 400 p; plenty of nice places right behind ABC for 1,000 to 1,500 p. Thinking hotel owners are under this "if we build it they will come" mentality; I'm thinking they'll get financially killed.
Like Pattaya, have a strong aversion to paying bar fines. AC is different, and you have to be careful about FLs. Whenever I see a gal on the street, I always ask her the base question: "Which bar do you work at?" Of course, they can lie, but I believe I have a sense about it (famous last words, eh?). Always get gals who are going from point A to point B, (as they are heading to / from work, Jolibees, High Society, etc.), preferably in groups, who work bars. Got one gal from Eruptions, another from Geckos, and a few other bars. Paid them 1000 p for ST and a small tip for cigarette money. I avoid FLs who "work the street" like the plague! Had also a few gals from Raymond for the usual 800 p. Santos is looking rather grim at the present. Paying 2,000 p to 3,000 p for a FL is absolute insanity, unless perhaps she's Korean.
Paid 150 pesos for Vit C at the money changer, two in a package. That said, thus far, never needed um.
As always, Kokomoz food is just terrible: Greasy, fried, crap. Margaretta-ville (I use it's traditional name) is great. And, of course so is the Mexican place, and those 45 p shawarmas.
Bars I recommend include on perimeter are Pony Tails, Brass Knob, and on Field's LaBamba and Lancelot (or is that Camelot. The one near Kokomoz, always mix them up). Shooters looked like a bunch of Billy Boys on stage.
Also highly recommended are Y-Bar, King of Diamonds, Kitten Club, The Club, and Jungle. Oops, those were from a decade ago. Oh well. Can I assume that Cuba Cuba is now closed?
Big problem with AC is not much to do daytime. Looking forward to Pattaya later on next month.
Think that's all to report.
--Popper
Big problem with AC is not much to do daytime.Hi Popper,
I agree with you. In fact, we should open a thread where to discuss what to do during daytime in Angeles City (apart of looking for gals).
Good luck
So I am trying to figure out why I should go to AC instead of staying in Manila. If the prices are 2000 to 3000p that is what I am paying here. What is the reason to go if it the same price?
Can somebody give me the lowdown on why its better?
So I am trying to figure out why I should go to AC instead of staying in Manila. If the prices are 2000 to 3000p that is what I am paying here. What is the reason to go if it the same price?
Can somebody give me the lowdown on why its better?First, the barfine in AC varies form 1500P on Perimeter to the high side of 3000P in the big show bars on Fields.
Second, the barfine in all in and the tip is up to you. 500 pesos is an average tip and I give 1000P for multiple rounds and good GFE. I do not go to show bars or pay 3000P barfines.
Third, AC is basically a mongering town. There is not a lot to do, besides bar hopping and flucking.
IMO go to AC and start on Perimeter road, as the bars open earlier. Good bars are Candy Bar, Lost in Asia, and Det5.
Robbaf
Let me begin by saying that these are just my opinions, those of others may differ. My resume is as follows. Angeles 5x (coming again in April. Pun kind of intended) ; Manila / Makati 3x; Cebu 1x; Bangkok 2x; Pattaya 3x. So I get around. While I have plenty of good things to say about all the places I listed. I always wind up coming back to Angeles as my favorite locale to partake in female talent. Here's why:
First, there's no pretension about why you're there. If you're staying in AC near Fields you are looking to have sex with local girls. The hotel workers know it, the waiters and waitresses know it, the beggars on the street know it. Even the "good girls" who work at the mall or a call center know it. It's totally out in the open and you don't have to pretend you're "on business" or an eco-tourist looking to see waterfalls. I just booked my room at ABC and I emailed them to make sure that the bars would be open on Palm Sunday / Good Friday, etc. Here's the response I received. A direct cut and paste. "The bars are still open on the holy week Sir. So yes, the red light district will still have the lights on." How can you not love service like that? In Manila (especially in the nicer hotels in Makati) there are foreign travelers who are not looking to pillage the local talent. And some hotel workers will give you that knowing look / stare when they see you with a girl enough to be your daughter. It's accepted, but in that "we know what's going on but don't talk about it in public" sort of way. In AC the hotel staff will ask if you are OK if they see you come back to your room two nights in a row alone. Again. You have to love that.
Second, Everything in Angeles is located in close proximity. If you're in even moderately good shape you can walk everywhere. Fields, Perimeter, the Mall (that's kind of all there is). If you're tired, lazy, or it's hot. A trike will cost you maybe 100p (maybe less. I usually don't bother to negotiate as 100p means a lot more to them than it does to me).
Third, There are always pretty girls to be found. Yes, some will tell you that there are a lot of 4's. 5's and 6's in AC. And this is true. But there are always a couple of 8's or 9's in almost every bar at some point of time during the night. The volume of girls makes it almost impossible for you not to find what you are looking for. Just don't get too drunk too early.
Fourth, Almost all the girls speak enough English for you to have a basic but effective conversation with them. Some are actually quite skilled and make for excellent company (sadly they're usually not the 8's or 9's, but I'll take an enthusiastic 6 who doesn't describe herself as "simple" any day of the week)!
Now. On to what to do in Angeles. Sadly. During the day, the answer is not much. Your options are fairly limited. I don't play golf, but I hear that's available. If you stay at a hotel with a pool, a nice refreshing dip can hit the spot (if it's not raining). There are casinos and poker clubs. And you can always read a book or go to the mall and watch a movie. Perimeter bars open at around 2:00pm, so you can just slowly drink and chat with the ladies on any given afternoon (there are usually happy hour specials). Do not expect much culture or excellent food in AC. This is where Manila wins hands down. Ultimately you have to decide what you're looking to do and what is more important to you. I usually try to spend a few nights in Manila after going to AC. I find I appreciate the metropolitan nature of the city (which is a complete mad house by the way) once I've been in the country for a week or so.
So I am trying to figure out why I should go to AC instead of staying in Manila. If the prices are 2000 to 3000p that is what I am paying here. What is the reason to go if it the same price?
Can somebody give me the lowdown on why its better?Firstly I am not an AC visitor at this time, but have done so often in the past. The convenience of having thousands of women centrally located gives AC its competitive advantage. It's effortlessly easy. Depending on the length of your stay you can do different places everyday. In Ermita it's really just one place. Yes, there are a few others nearby, but really they don't have all that many girls. Burgos and EDSA have a better selection but it'll cost you much more. Metro Manila's advantage is the girls from the dating sites. You have to put in the effort, though. I prefer Manila for the variety and the better GFE. More to see and do out of the bed too.
Flucking, what a great word. Is there any special definition Robbaf?
In the past five days I've enjoyed an 800 short time and a 3000 DHouse special.
3k is the most I've ever donated in AC, but I justifed it this way: I could pony up and have Ms. Cute in my room within 30 minutes. Or, I could spend another hour or more bar hopping, buying drinks for me as well as the target (s) and may very well end up spending just as much.
Of course I could have just avoided the big show bars in the first place. The reality that evening was that I was in Crystal Palace and then was taking the shortcut thru DH to get to Walking street. As the regulars would know, as you enter DH from the back, you have a view of the dancers mostly from the rear and below the chest. I saw a nice looking bum and immediately felt a bit thirsty. As I rounded the bend, I could see Nice Bum was rather cute and at that moment she gave me one of those radiant Filipina smiles. One SM, one overpriced ladies drink, and an exorbitant 3k donation later I was having my way with her.
X.
First, the barfine in AC varies form 1500P on Perimeter to the high side of 3000P in the big show bars on Fields.
Second, the barfine in all in and the tip is up to you. 500 pesos is an average tip and I give 1000P for multiple rounds and good GFE. I do not go to show bars or pay 3000P barfines.
Third, AC is basically a mongering town. There is not a lot to do, besides bar hopping and flucking.
IMO go to AC and start on Perimeter road, as the bars open earlier. Good bars are Candy Bar, Lost in Asia, and Det5.
Robbaf
Arrived AC after spending a few days in Manila. My reasons for coming here are personal, as well as for the gals. Just a few notes.
When I arrived here, had no hotel reservations. Came the 22th of December, and due to this being the highest of the high season, figured it might be difficult to find a room. Boy, I was wrong. Every hotel I went to had something, and nearly all offered me a room for under 1, 500 p, and appeared would negotiate. Just few days ago walked up the perim noticed lots of really large, nice, new hotels, and what will / must go for a frigging fortune. I don't get it. Then again, ABC goes for a frigging fortune and appears to be doing well, while the place next to it, granted a sh*thole goes for 400 p; plenty of nice places right behind ABC for 1, 000 to 1, 500 p. Thinking hotel owners are under this "if we build it they will come" mentality; I'm thinking they'll get financially killed.
Like Pattaya, have a strong aversion to paying bar fines. AC is different, and you have to be careful about FLs. Whenever I see a gal on the street, I always ask her the base question: "Which bar do you work at?" Of course, they can lie, but I believe I have a sense about it (famous last words, eh?). Always get gals who are going from point A to point B, (as they are heading to / from work, Jolibees, High Society, etc.) , preferably in groups, who work bars. Got one gal from Eruptions, another from Geckos, and a few other bars. Paid them 1000 p for ST and a small tip for cigarette money. I avoid FLs who "work the street" like the plague! Had also a few gals from Raymond for the usual 800 p.I usually watch a movie everyday at the mall for like $1 LOL. Staying at a hotel with a pool is nice as well!
Streetlooker
01-03-14, 08:13
Hi Popper,
I agree with you. In fact, we should open a thread where to discuss what to do during daytime in Angeles City (apart of looking for gals).
Good luckThings you can do in the daytime in AC : Golf, ride go carts, go to the casino, Go to the mall. Go to the movies at the mall, go hiking a volcano, get a massage for 2 hrs, swim in the hotel pool, go to the cock fights get a blow job on blow row, go bowling at the mall, visit a 24 hr go go bar, visit a daytime only go go bar on perimeter, write a trip report about what you did down at fields the night before to ISG, browse the internet shoot pool, toss a few games of darts, eat a meal and watch the world go by at kokamos, take a side trip to the zoo down in subic bay which there are a tons of things to do there also did I say sleep or lazy around and watch TV with the girl you can't seem to get to leave. But your right there is nothing really to much to do in AC in the daytime.
Hi guys,
Yes, I reckon there are some options to do during daytime, but. Man, AC would be the last place on the earth I would be in case there weren't girls.
Anyhow, below I post a list of some other options may help.
MT. Arayat National Park Located about 18 kilometers from Fields Avenue, it's a great place for a picnic on a sunny day. You can hike to the waterfalls or swim in any of the park's three full-sized swimming pools.
El Kabayo riding stables Go on Clark and ride a horse around the wooded trails and lush open meadows of Clark's picnic grounds where hundreds of American stallions used to graze around.
APU market Apu Market, is a local market that is only open on Fridays. The market begins very early and most tables stay open until midnight Friday night.
The Hash: There is a very active Hash House Harrier group with weekly runs every Sunday at 2:00 PM (for walkers / first timers) and 3:00 PM (for runners) The Hash'rs also have special runs on full moons and other special occasions.
Hi again,
The ride from AC to Manila airport it's around 2.700p in a private car, but I wonder if there is another cheaper and comfortable option.
Instead of private car, is there any minibus to share the ride?
I do not consider the local bus or having to change from local bus to another.
Thanks
Flucking, what a great word. Is there any special definition Robbaf?
X.IMHO sounds a little bit better then saying fucking.
Things you can do in the daytime in AC : Golf, ride go carts, go to the casino, Go to the mall. Go to the movies at the mall, go hiking a volcano, get a massage for 2 hrs, swim in the hotel pool, go to the cock fights get a blow job on blow row, go bowling at the mall, visit a 24 hr go go bar, visit a daytime only go go bar on perimeter, write a trip report about what you did down at fields the night before to ISG, browse the internet shoot pool, toss a few games of darts, eat a meal and watch the world go by at kokamos, take a side trip to the zoo down in subic bay which there are a tons of things to do there also did I say sleep or lazy around and watch TV with the girl you can't seem to get to leave. But your right there is nothing really to much to do in AC in the daytime.Golf: I love playing the back nine.
Go-carts: Reverse cowgirl.
Casino: Won million peso jackpot already.
Mall: Good place to find cowgirl.
Hiking: Walked to mall to find cowgirl.
Massage: Cowgirl give great massage w / happy ending.
Movies: Buy bootleg DVD on street, DVD player in hotel room and watch movie with cowgirl.
Hotel pool: Hotel shower with cowgirl.
Cock fight: Cowgirl gives great blow job.
Blow row: See above.
Bowling: Keep some one peso coins and when the street kids run up, throw the coins and watch the pins fall.
Personally, I go to AC to bar hop and fluck. If I want entertainment, I would choose a better location.
Just my HO.
Robbaf
Hi again,
The ride from AC to Manila airport it's around 2. 700p in a private car, but I wonder if there is another cheaper and comfortable option.
Instead of private car, is there any minibus to share the ride?
I do not consider the local bus or having to change from local bus to another.
ThanksSouthern Cross hotel has a shuttle bus for expats. I have rode the bus many times and it is a nice ride.
Daily Bus Service.
Angeles. Subic. Angeles. Manila. Angeles.
ANGELES. SUBIC.
Departs Orchid Inn (8:45 am) & Brass Knob (9:00 am)
SUBIC. ANGELES.
Departs Wild Orchid Resort Baloy Beach (11:00 am)
ANGELES. MANILA.
Departs Orhid Inn (12:45 pm) & Brass Knob (1:00 pm)
MANILA. ANGELES.
Departs Southern Cross Hotel, Ermita (3:30 pm)
http://www.thesoutherncrosshotelmanila.com/shuttle_bus.html
Robbaf
The HashA good place to meet some long-time AC expats. Through them you can also find out about the walking group that meets during the week and climbs Mt. Arayat, Pinatubo etc. Good full-on exercise if you like that kind of thing.
Mr Enternational
01-04-14, 09:11
IMHO sounds a little bit better then saying fucking.LOL. How is that? Words are just a string of sounds put together and assigned a meaning by people. The words TV, television, idiot box, or boob tube have no meaning in and of themselves, but we all know that you are talking about the same device when you use either word. Neither word can be good nor bad nor sound better nor worse.
A good place to meet some long-time AC expats. Through them you can also find out about the walking group that meets during the week and climbs Mt. Arayat, Pinatubo etc. Good full-on exercise if you like that kind of thing.These Hash guys are better known as "drinkers with a running problem".
Our fellow ISG member Gangles is a well-known Hash fanatic so PM him if you need details (he may take umbrage at my insinuation that he is a drinker because I know he isn't)
Thank you to everyone here. I know can say I know why I will go to AC
I had no idea you only pay bar fine and than a tip- that's a lot better than here in Manila.
I am glad to know the bus or a private car is a easy and great way to get there.
Tons of girls in a little area- now that sounds great.
I will be on my way soon. I will be happy to post me experiences!
Thanks again for all the great info, this thread is really great!
Just arrived in AC last night. Had a good time bar hopping and getting a few drinks while trying to scout out the girls. Will post reports as time goes on. If anyone wants to meet up for some bar hopping shoot me a pm.
Pipe Layer99
01-05-14, 11:24
Where do you find short time girls in AC?
Thinking of heading there next week.
Thanks, Pipe.
.
In the past five days I've enjoyed an 800 short time and a 3000 DHouse special.
X.
WestCoast1
01-05-14, 11:48
Where do you find short time girls in AC?
Thinking of heading there next week.
Thanks, Pipe.Specifically on Santos Street (bunch of bars all together on one side of the street) , and one block over on Raymond street (4 bars right next to each other).
Your own example seems to disprove what you've written. Would you rather watch television or an idiot-box?
When you know the gal is in the mood, do you say,"Let's make love" or "Let's fk", or maybe,"Let me stick my sausage into your stink-hole"? I guess the dictionary definitions may be similar, but not how people react to the vocab.
LOL. How is that? Words are just a string of sounds put together and assigned a meaning by people. The words TV, television, idiot box, or boob tube have no meaning in and of themselves, but we all know that you are talking about the same device when you use either word. Neither word can be good nor bad nor sound better nor worse.
Chris Long
01-06-14, 00:18
Arrived Sunday night and was a bit disapointed. The crowd seems way down from what it was before the crack down. There are still people here but not as many as before. There are still girls here but it does not seem as many as before and the quality does not seem as good. There are still some spinners here but the number of spinners available does not seem as great as before.
Don't know if its a case of deminising returns. Maybe the place is the same but I've been here enough that it's just deminishing returns it seems like its less than what it was to me. Or maybe because it was Sunday night or maybe the place really has slowed down. But it seems like less to me now that what it was before.
Chris
Mr Enternational
01-06-14, 04:52
Your own example seems to disprove what you've written. Would you rather watch television or an idiot-box?
When you know the gal is in the mood, do you say,"Let's make love" or "Let's fk", or maybe,"Let me stick my sausage into your stink-hole"? I guess the dictionary definitions may be similar, but not how people react to the vocab.It in no way disproves it. Like you said it is how people react to the words. And people are conditioned / taught to react certain ways to certain words. It has nothing to do with the words in and of themselves. Take a child who is saying "bad" words. To the child it is just a string of sounds and no big deal. But the parent will keep telling the child not to say it and that it is bad to say it and that they will be in trouble if they say it again. Why? Because that is the same thing their parents taught them and that most other parents have taught their kids for reasons they don't even know. (Sorry, I was a linguistics major so I take this kind of thing to heart.)
Specifically on Santos Street (bunch of bars all together on one side of the street) , and one block over on Raymond street (4 bars right next to each other).Hi WestCoast1,
I have checked with google maps where Santos Street is, but it seems to be pretty far away from Fields Av. I think there is a mistake. Can you help me out?
Not the same with Raymond St. It's just one corner away.
Arrived Sunday night and was a bit disapointed. The crowd seems way down from what it wasI agree. It's my third day here and I feel that it is a lot slower than I remember. Could just be holidays so not enough customers or maybe it's all the construction on the road keeping people off the street.
That said I still had no problem finding some company and there are still a lot of lookers. It might be slow but it is still going on.
Pip Jaeger
01-06-14, 16:00
Hi WestCoast1,
I have checked with google maps where Santos Street is, but it seems to be pretty far away from Fields Av. I think there is a mistake. Can you help me out?Many of us here call blow row Santos Street, but the real name is A Santos Road. Copy and paste this to Google maps (sorry, but my iPad doesn't show the web link in the header) :
A Santos Road, Angeles City, Central Luzon, Philippines.
If that doesn't work, zoom in on Fields Ave, find Kokomo's, the street that runs perpendicular to Fields where Kokomo's is on the corner = A Santos Road.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe you should take your linguistics major to Detroit and see if you get different reactions by using "African American" or "blacky". I think the original point was that "fluck" sounds nicer than "fk", but your point was that they mean the same thing and therefore there is no difference. If you respond, please move this to the general thread or pm.
To stay remotely on topic, let me say that I spent one week in AC and actually flucked three gals that I've done before. One was completely by accident. I didn't remember her until her panties came off. She had one of those naturally almost hairless snatches. In my mind I was saying,"oh, now I remember you". LOL X.
It in no way disproves it. Like you said it is how people react to the words. And people are conditioned / taught to react certain ways to certain words. It has nothing to do with the words in and of themselves. Take a child who is saying "bad" words. To the child it is just a string of sounds and no big deal. But the parent will keep telling the child not to say it and that it is bad to say it and that they will be in trouble if they say it again. Why? Because that is the same thing their parents taught them and that most other parents have taught their kids for reasons they don't even know. (Sorry, I was a linguistics major so I take this kind of thing to heart.)
Pipe Layer99
01-07-14, 22:52
To Pip and West Coast1.
Many of us here call blow row Santos Street, but the real name is A Santos Road. Copy and paste this to Google maps:
A Santos Road, Angeles City, Central Luzon, Philippines.
Hi WestCoast1,
I have checked with google maps where Santos Street is, but it seems to be pretty far away from Fields Av. I think there is a mistake. Can you help me out?
Not the same with Raymond St. It's just one corner away.This is an old bar map, but the streets are still the same.
Mr Enternational
01-08-14, 11:47
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe you should take your linguistics major to Detroit and see if you get different reactions by using "African American" or "blacky". I think the original point was that "fluck" sounds nicer than "fk", but your point was that they mean the same thing and therefore there is no difference.Being that I'm a brother from the ghetto who is Black, I doubt that would work out the way you were thinking!
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe you should take your linguistics major to Detroit and see if you get different reactions by using "African American" or "blacky". I think the original point was that "fluck" sounds nicer than "fk", but your point was that they mean the same thing and therefore there is no difference. If you respond, please move this to the general thread or pm.
To stay remotely on topic, let me say that I spent one week in AC and actually flucked three gals that I've done before. One was completely by accident. I didn't remember her until her panties came off. She had one of those naturally almost hairless snatches. In my mind I was saying,"oh, now I remember you". LOL X.Haha, that was flucking funny. Sometimes shilt makes no slucking sense.
Fifty Pesos
01-08-14, 22:56
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WhatsUrName
01-09-14, 02:14
Mr. Enternational be cautious when disclosing your racial heritage on this forum as members (especially members of the Philippines thread) in the past have openly displayed hostility towards Blacks. The anonymity of the internet emboldens those who otherwise wouldn't be.That's just priceless. FP giving advice to Mr. E.
FP, you do see Mr. E's post count, right? Perhaps it may have escaped you, but Mr. E and X-man are legends around here. You may be the only one here who doesn't know that Mr. E is black.
NomadicMong
01-09-14, 04:56
Hi WestCoast1,
I have checked with google maps where Santos Street is, but it seems to be pretty far away from Fields Av. I think there is a mistake. Can you help me out?
Not the same with Raymond St. It's just one corner away.Santos is not far from Fields. If you know Kokomos Restaurant, it is in the junction of Santos and Fields. You enter the street and pass Pacific Breeze hotel on your left. Then you will get Wild Orchid on left. Then if you continue, all Santos bars are in the right.
Hope this helps.
John Traveller
01-09-14, 18:46
You can also try to fly an airplane. Outside AC there is a small airstrip with micro-planes. Ask at your hotel for info.
On the topic of blow-row and Santos Street, could anyone tell me whether raymond Street has bars which offer services similar to those on Santos Street.
I have been to AC 7 times over te past 6 years, however have never gone down Raymond Street.
I am returning to AC early March and will take a walk down Raymond myself, was just wondering what type of bars exist down raymond.
Thanks in advance.
Dark Vader
01-10-14, 19:05
On the topic of blow-row and Santos Street, could anyone tell me whether raymond Street has bars which offer services similar to those on Santos Street.
I have been to AC 7 times over te past 6 years, however have never gone down Raymond Street.
I am returning to AC early March and will take a walk down Raymond myself, was just wondering what type of bars exist down raymond.
Thanks in advance.WC answered this question just a few posts back:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1515727&viewfull=1#post1515727
On the topic of blow-row and Santos Street, could anyone tell me whether raymond Street has bars which offer services similar to those on Santos Street.
I have been to AC 7 times over te past 6 years, however have never gone down Raymond Street.
I am returning to AC early March and will take a walk down Raymond myself, was just wondering what type of bars exist down raymond.
Thanks in advance.To my knowledge in Raymond street, you take the girl out to your place or an ST shithole at a Santos side street. In Santos street service is provided on premise, but you will feel like being in a shack.
Dflostrife
01-11-14, 06:56
On the topic of blow-row and Santos Street, could anyone tell me whether raymond Street has bars which offer services similar to those on Santos Street.
I have been to AC 7 times over te past 6 years, however have never gone down Raymond Street.
I am returning to AC early March and will take a walk down Raymond myself, was just wondering what type of bars exist down raymond.
Thanks in advance.OK go to google and put this in your search or map box +15° 9' 57. 90", +120° 35' 10. 55" that's where the 3 bars are or by name Aby Lyn, Lovely Paradise Resto Bar, Prince of Wales; to my knowledge they have ST on premisses so you don't have to go to another place they also have a shower there for you to utilize.
Anybody hired a private driver to take you on day trips, someone you can trust with a decent vehicle and knowledge of the area? Want to get out more this is my third trip. Need to use hotel as a base and see more of the country. Really wish that we could find a person who could co-ordinate the woman. Night visits and arrange this as we have had done for us in Argentina, D. R, Cuba, China and Thailand. Not that I can't "shop" on my own there are a couple of us and really if someone else does the homework and knows the ladies and their personalities it sure saves a lot of time and hassle. Guess that sounds kinda like a "pimp" which is illegal. But all I think of it as is a date maker? Maybe there is such a person here in Angeles. Hope this is posted in the right spot, don't want my butt chewed. I will post about our adventures. I have been very hesitant to in the past. I had a buddy who did and his "significant other" found his posts, read them and he paid dearly for his travels and adventures.
Globe Spinner
01-11-14, 22:07
OK go to google and put this in your search or map box +15° 9' 57. 90", +120° 35' 10. 55" that's where the 3 bars are or by name Aby Lyn, Lovely Paradise Resto Bar, Prince of Wales; to my knowledge they have ST on premisses so you don't have to go to another place they also have a shower there for you to utilize.This one works better 15. 166703, 120. 586176
Anybody hired a private driver to take you on day trips, someone you can trust with a decent vehicle and knowledge of the area? Want to get out more this is my third trip. Need to use hotel as a base and see more of the country. Really wish that we could find a person who could co-ordinate the woman. Night visits and arrange this as we have had done for us in Argentina, D. R, Cuba, China and Thailand. Not that I can't "shop" on my own there are a couple of us and really if someone else does the homework and knows the ladies and their personalities it sure saves a lot of time and hassle. Guess that sounds kinda like a "pimp" which is illegal. But all I think of it as is a date maker? Maybe there is such a person here in Angeles. Hope this is posted in the right spot, don't want my butt chewed. I will post about our adventures. I have been very hesitant to in the past. I had a buddy who did and his "significant other" found his posts, read them and he paid dearly for his travels and adventures.Why would you go to AC if you did not want to bar hop?
You can get the ABC to provide the private car, but where are you wanting to visit?
It sounds to me that you would enjoy Makati more and have easier call in service then AC and depending on where you want to visit, Makati may be a better base.
FYI, I had a friend who thought he was being smart, but put the ABC on his CC and when his wife Googled ABC she got a shock.
http://www.angelesbeachclubhotel.com/gallery.php
Robb
Had a nice lunch in Gustav, near Chow King just off Fields.
Very good value for the quality and friendly service and comfortable seats.
It has Eiffel Tower all over, but the menu is more Italian.
What surprised me is that the waitress brought glasses of cold tap water for us.
It's nice to be given water, but my filipina friend thought it tasted like tap water, and the waitress confirmed it was tap water.
Even though the following Wikipedia entry about the Philippines is pretty scary, I don't plan to be too paranoid and will keep having ice in my drinks etc.
Wikipedia on the Philippines:
Drinking water quality.
Especially in urban areas, water quality does not meet the standards set by the national government. As a result, waterborne diseases remain a severe public health concern in the country. About 4, 200 people die each year due to contaminated drinking water. [15]
Wastewater treatment.
Only 5% of the total population is connected to a sewer network. The vast majority uses flush toilets connected to septic tanks. Since sludge treatment and disposal facilities are rare, most effluents are discharged without treatment. [15] According to the Asian Development Bank, the Pasig River is one of the world's most polluted rivers
Anybody hired a private driver to take you on day trips, someone you can trust with a decent vehicle and knowledge of the area? Want to get out more this is my third trip. Need to use hotel as a base and see more of the country. Really wish that we could find a person who could co-ordinate the woman. Night visits and arrange this as we have had done for us in Argentina, D. R, Cuba, China and Thailand. Not that I can't "shop" on my own there are a couple of us and really if someone else does the homework and knows the ladies and their personalities it sure saves a lot of time and hassle. Guess that sounds kinda like a "pimp" which is illegal. But all I think of it as is a date maker? Maybe there is such a person here in Angeles. Hope this is posted in the right spot, don't want my butt chewed. I will post about our adventures. I have been very hesitant to in the past. I had a buddy who did and his "significant other" found his posts, read them and he paid dearly for his travels and adventures.Just rent the driver and vehicle and have him take you down Fields and Perimeter and show you something that looks like a bar. Geeezzzz, how effing lazy can a guy get? Your other alternative on Luzon (if you know what Luzon is, ) is to go down to Manila. Read the Manila/Makati forums.
Seems like you're very lazy and just want a driver to point and click poontang for you. BTW have you paid your forum fee?
WestCoast1
01-12-14, 09:31
Really wish that we could find a person who could co-ordinate the woman. Night visits and arrange this as we have had done for us in Argentina, D. R, Cuba, China and Thailand. Not that I can't "shop" on my own there are a couple of us and really if someone else does the homework and knows the ladies and their personalities it sure saves a lot of time and hassle. Guess that sounds kinda like a "pimp" which is illegal. But all I think of it as is a date maker? Maybe there is such a person here in Angeles.
Why would you go to AC if you did not want to bar hop?
Robb
Just rent the driver and vehicle and have him take you down Fields and Perimeter and show you something that looks like a bar. Geeezzzz, how effing lazy can a guy get?
Seems like you're very lazy and just want a driver to point and click poontang for you. BTW have you paid your forum fee?Good questions for the OP. One *only* goes to AC to barhop and choose girls. Previously some guy posted (Cebu thread?) about him and his friends being old-guy travelers who needed to find someone to bring them girls; seems they were too elderly to want to walk the streets and wanted to avoid the locals. RentOne, was that you? Also, there is no way to PM you information, so its hard to give you particular details. I'm guessing you have never been to AC. The hotels are located extremely close to the bars: the idea is you walk up / down the street and barhop till you find a girl (s) you like, pay a fine to the bar, and take the girl to your hotel for the night (no extre fee needed in the morning unless you like to tip). The idea of paying someone to bring you and your friends some girls in AC seems a bit odd, as you might not like the girls he brings; and you can easily walk up the street and into a bar to look at hundreds of beauties dancing in bikinis on a stage.
The question of your having a paid membership here is a good one. In the phils threads we don't answer newbs questions too much. The idea is that you go there first, post at least one good descriptive field report (describe your hotel experience, girlie experience, etc) , then ask questions on the open board. Please confine questions to us in PM.
Anybody hired a private driver to take you on day trips, someone you can trust with a decent vehicle and knowledge of the area? Want to get out more this is my third trip. Need to use hotel as a base and see more of the country. Really wish that we could find a person who could co-ordinate the woman. Night visits and arrange this as we have had done for us in Argentina, D. R, Cuba, China and Thailand. Not that I can't "shop" on my own there are a couple of us and really if someone else does the homework and knows the ladies and their personalities it sure saves a lot of time and hassle. Guess that sounds kinda like a "pimp" which is illegal. But all I think of it as is a date maker? Maybe there is such a person here in Angeles. Hope this is posted in the right spot, don't want my butt chewed. I will post about our adventures. I have been very hesitant to in the past. I had a buddy who did and his "significant other" found his posts, read them and he paid dearly for his travels and adventures.I am sure there will be many who are interested in your proposition in AC. They would like to make money. But it will be hard find that person on this board because AC is a do it on your own kind of place.
All the same I know a girl who might help you. If you PM me I will give her contact info. You can talk to her directly and discuss. I have connected her with some other forum members who requested special ladies.
No, I do not get any benefit out of this. Just helping fellow mongers.
If you want to do it on your own I suggest asking Hotel employees, some mamasans etc for your requirement.
All the same I know a girl who might help you. If you PM me I will give her contact info. You can talk to her directly and discuss. I have connected her with some other forum members who requested special ladies.He can't PM you and you can't PM him because he is not a paid member (yet)
Pip Jaeger
01-12-14, 17:56
Just rent the driver and vehicle and have him take you down Fields and Perimeter and show you something that looks like a bar.Can't drive down Fields at night where the majority of the bars are and when the action is really happening, remember it's called "Walking Street"; automotive traffic is restricted. Besides, with the construction now going on you can't even drive all the way through on some days in the daytime, but I do get your point.
Yes Pip, it was tongue in cheek.
Globe Spinner
01-12-14, 22:04
Had a nice lunch in Gustav, near Chow King just off Fields.
Very good value for the quality and friendly service and comfortable seats.
It has Eiffel Tower all over, but the menu is more Italian.
What surprised me is that the waitress brought glasses of cold tap water for us.
It's nice to be given water, but my filipina friend thought it tasted like tap water, and the waitress confirmed it was tap water.
Even though the following Wikipedia entry about the Philippines is pretty scary, I don't plan to be too paranoid and will keep having ice in my drinks etc.
Wikipedia on the Philippines:
Drinking water quality.
Especially in urban areas, water quality does not meet the standards set by the national government. As a result, waterborne diseases remain a severe public health concern in the country. About 4, 200 people die each year due to contaminated drinking water. [15]
Wastewater treatment.
Only 5% of the total population is connected to a sewer network. The vast majority uses flush toilets connected to septic tanks. Since sludge treatment and disposal facilities are rare, most effluents are discharged without treatment. [15] According to the Asian Development Bank, the Pasig River is one of the world's most polluted riversI have never seen a restaurant in the Philippines serve tap water. They will always serve you "service water" which is delivered from various reverse osmosis water sellers in blue five gallon plastic cans. Ice is always purchased from an ice house which only uses processed water. I've been drinking service water for years and never had a problem.
Fast Eddie 48
01-13-14, 00:06
I have never seen a restaurant in the Philippines serve tap water. They will always serve you "service water" which is delivered from various reverse osmosis water sellers in blue five gallon plastic cans. Ice is always purchased from an ice house which only uses processed water. I've been drinking service water for years and never had a problem.To Globe spinner.
I always just bring a bottle water buy from seven eleven to restaurant never drink ice water you don't know is tap water are not, I know many local drink tap water they are use to the bacteria you are not at hotel I always drink only bottle water and use for making tea or coffee.
Fast Eddie 48
Cunning Stunt
01-13-14, 00:24
In the phils threads we don't answer newbs questions too much. The idea is that you go there first, post at least one good descriptive field report (describe your hotel experience, girlie experience, etc) , then ask questions on the open board. Please confine questions to us in PM.Sounds a bit arse about face to me, mate. Most newbies have probably never been near The Philippines so, of course, they will be full of question before they arrive, about what to expect viz a viz accomodation, food, transport, women etc. Then after their trip they will hopefully entertain the membership by penning an interesting trip report about their impressions and experiences with hopefully a photo or two thrown in.
To be brutally honest, the experienced, intelligent member should have had the gumption to do his research by carefully RTFF before his arrival at a destination. This is what I do before going to a new place and seldom do I have to trouble the local experts with inane and frequently asked questions. Its all there in the threads if you care to dig deep enough.
Yes CS but we contunue to see the cheap and lazy. $20. 00 goes a long way here. Those are the ones that I object to.
I have never seen a restaurant in the Philippines serve tap water.Outside of the main cities they do. Be careful!
WestCoast1
01-13-14, 05:08
To be brutally honest, the experienced, intelligent member should have had the gumption to do his research by carefully RTFF before his arrival at a destination. This is what I do before going to a new place and seldom do I have to trouble the local experts with inane and frequently asked questions. Its all there in the threads if you care to dig deep enough.I ask the regulars on a new board questions in PM. Nothing says 'lazy' like not reading the last 10 or so pages. I have little sympathy for those without paid subscriptions asking anything on the open board. PM me and I'll explain the best I can, or refer the gent to a post where its explained.
Wicked Roger
01-13-14, 05:45
I ask the regulars on a new board questions in PM. Nothing says 'lazy' like not reading the last 10 or so pages. I have little sympathy for those without paid subscriptions asking anything on the open board. PM me and I'll explain the best I can, or refer the gent to a post where its explained.I agree Westie,
When I first visited Manila I did my RTFF took note, made a list of the key points I wanted to check and get advice on and then I PM a few more experienced members.
The UAE board which I used to frequent a lot more is "please send me her digits dude" nowadays and many of the seniors are getting fed up with that as none bother to do the basic RTFF just ignore the basic rules and ask.
So I haev no sympathy either. Yes noobs don't know as much and need to be advised but the forum is a wealth of information for the newbie of he wants t spend a hour or less.
Loso69 did this when he visited the UAE to meet me, did RTFF we OM and emailed his points of clarification and he had a great time in the week he was in the country. Simple really but many don't both and is what the UAE senior guys now call these newbie the 'managerial class'.
Word on the street, three ST bars on Raymond St were raided today and one foreigner upstairs in bible study was taken away.
PussyFeelsGood
01-14-14, 22:55
The question of your having a paid membership here is a good one. In the phils threads we don't answer newbs questions too much. The idea is that you go there first, post at least one good descriptive field report (describe your hotel experience, girlie experience, etc) , then ask questions on the open board. Please confine questions to us in PM.And as always when you try to run the board I will point out that you aren't a mod, you have no power, and the rule you want to instate is one of the dumbest rules.
Who needs to ask questions more someone who has never been there and doesn't have a clue or someone who already has experience?
And as always when you try to run the board I will point out that you aren't a mod, you have no power, and the rule you want to instate is one of the dumbest rules.
Who needs to ask questions more someone who has never been there and doesn't have a clue or someone who already has experience?A paid member. If a guy can't afford $20. 00 then he shouldn't even be dreaming of traveling to Burger King and he certainly wouldn't know how wonderful the food is a Jollibee. We can of course direct you to plenty of street food. When's the last time you had the shits for 4 days? You get what you pay for sir. Pay the membership fee and perhaps some doors will open.
FreebieFan
01-15-14, 06:33
Even though the following Wikipedia entry about the Philippines is pretty scary, I don't plan to be too paranoid and will keep having ice in my drinks etc.
Wikipedia on the Philippines:
Drinking water quality.
Especially in urban areas, water quality does not meet the standards set by the national government. As a result, waterborne diseases remain a severe public health concern in the country. About 4, 200 people die each year due to contaminated drinking water. [15]When I lived in Manila we had reason to have the ice that was delivered to our place of work tested.
This is what called tube ice, the ice thats in giant cubes, thats carted around in the back of trucks, and sometimes is in a rice sack. We tested the floor of the truck and needless to say it was a mess and a mass of macrobiotic filth. Equally unsuprising, we tested the tube ice, which is ice thats hacked into smaller chunks for drinks (halo halo crushed ice) and food cooling etc. I wouldn't touch that type of ice after having seen the readings.
Machine generated ice, which is regular in size and shape maybe ok. But certainly not transported tube ice.
Streetlooker
01-15-14, 07:12
Word on the street, three ST bars on Raymond St were raided today and one foreigner upstairs in bible study was taken away.If he was studying the BIBLE he was in the wrong building the church would have been 1 more building over. HA! Damn Shame if this is true those places are cool and I planned a trip or two there in feb March for a ST 4some. Hope they open back up by then.
Pulled a nice little dancer on Sat night and when time to pay bill it was higher than last Oct which is under 2 thou (bill is usually 2 drinks for me 1 for her plus her BF). I questioned waitress and she said bar fine has gone up from 1600P to 2000P and now getting expensive, with recent crap happening I paid and left with girl. Now the plot thckens I went back last night and grab one of the waitresses, I asked her what the BF is and she said 1600, I told her I paid 2000 the other night and she said it depends on the customer on what the customer can pay WTF. So I said since I have an option I will pay 1600 so when I went to pay the bill she only paid the cashier for the drinks and when said what about the bar fine and she advised I pay her direct. This is first this time in my travels I have came across this way of doing business. I am confused.
I was in Tao bar a couple of nights ago with a filipina friend.
Great fun bar with a heap of girls.
Pretty pricey though. Our drinks were something like 125p each.
My filipina friend and I both were pretty sure our "waitress" was a ladyboy.
No real complaint about that as she / he was very friendly and did a good job.
I even gave a reasonable tip.
Just surprised if they really do employ ladyboys in the big bars in Fields.
Do you guys think it really was a ladyboy or we were mistaken? Sure seemed like one.
Wicked Roger
01-16-14, 12:29
A paid member. If a guy can't afford $20. 00 then he shouldn't even be dreaming of traveling to Burger King and he certainly wouldn't know how wonderful the food is a Jollibee. We can of course direct you to plenty of street food. When's the last time you had the shits for 4 days? You get what you pay for sir. Pay the membership fee and perhaps some doors will open.Agree, and is not the first time he has had a dig at contributors (check definition the definition in the dictionary PFG). This board is really good compared with other because it sort of self moderates nicely despite others thinking otherwise.
See below for you pleasant comments to some including me. You say you lice of 900 pesos a month so am sure there are plenty of FRs about the girls you pull.
Still spouting the dumbest rule ever I see, how the F is a newbie supposed to give if he has no experience? These boards are meant for noobs so they know what to do on their first trip, experienced people don't need to ask questions anywhere near as badly.
Wicked Roger still playing board detective I see. Message boards are important things so its good you get to the bottom of everyones true motives.
And as always when you try to run the board I will point out that you aren't a mod, you have no power, and the rule you want to instate is one of the dumbest rules. Who needs to ask questions more someone who has never been there and doesn't have a clue or someone who already has experience?
Agree, and is not the first time he has had a dig at contributors (check definition the definition in the dictionary PFG). This board is really good compared with other because it sort of self moderates nicely despite others thinking otherwise.
See below for you pleasant comments to some including me. You say you lice of 900 pesos a month so am sure there are plenty of FRs about the girls you pull.I have to agree with WR here. I've found that the members here are very helpful, even with relative noobs like me. I paid my membership when I needed it, and people were super helpful. I owe one of the best weeks of my life to the assistance of senior members on this board. When I was a total noob.
If you act like a tool, people are going to give you nothing. If you admit that you don't know anything, show a willingness to listen, RTFF and show that you're an honest guy who can respect the girls. Then people will help you here. They'll help you like you're an old friend, and not ask for anything in return.
The board works because people share with each other, and tell idiots to shut up. If nobody is willing to share with you, then you're probably an idiot.
Fast Eddie 48
01-16-14, 22:51
A paid member. If a guy can't afford $20. 00 then he shouldn't even be dreaming of traveling to Burger King and he certainly wouldn't know how wonderful the food is a Jollibee. We can of course direct you to plenty of street food. When's the last time you had the shits for 4 days? You get what you pay for sir. Pay the membership fee and perhaps some doors will open.To Slippery.
I been thinking if Pussy feel good and our old friend CaliPro are the same guy, we have not Heard from that Cheapo Tight Wad for a long time, they both talk about going to PI, Indonesia and Cambodia on a Tight ass budget and take advantage on the Locals.
Fast Eddie 48
PussyFeelsGood
01-16-14, 23:20
Roger, why do you think you need to self moderate?
Are you really on that much of a power trip that you really must come here and make up fake rules?
Its obvious to anyone with a brain that the most important time for someone to ask questions is before they have been somewhere. Its amazing that you can't see that.
If he was studying the BIBLE he was in the wrong building the church would have been 1 more building over. HA! Damn Shame if this is true those places are cool and I planned a trip or two there in feb March for a ST 4some. Hope they open back up by then.AT least 21 women, most of them minors, forced to become sex workers have been rescued in a [CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909) crackdown by police in Angeles City.
Chief Supt. Reuben Theodore Sindac, Philippine National Police (PNP) Public spokesman, said police teams swooped on two restaurant-bars in Balibago, Angeles City.
Sindac said the raids were carried out last Monday by elements of the Women and Children Protection Division (WCPD) , Regional Public Safety Battalion (RPSB) , Regional Anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) Task Group and representatives from the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD).
Sindac said the girls were working at the Lovely Paradise Resto-Bar and Aby Lyn Wine bar both on Raymond St.
Two women, Cristine Tanola, cashier of Aby Lyn Wine Bar, and Marilou Palconit, who also works at the same bar, were arrested, Sindac said.
Sindac said police are looking for four other suspects, Abigail Miole of Aby Lyn Wine Bar and Leticia Miole, registered owner of Lovely Paradise Resto-Bar, Diosdado Masong, and Edna Cavity.
The two bar have been under surveillance by police, DSWD personnel and International Justice Mission (IJM).
Sindac said two undercover policemen posed as customers of the bars.
Charges of violation of the Anti-Trafficking in Person Act of 2003 (RA 10364) and Special Protection of Children Against Abuse, Exploitation and Discrimination (RA 7610) are being prepared against the suspects.
http://manilatimes.net/police-rescue-21-girls-from-two-angeles-bars/68234/
Seems they forgot to report that a foreigner was taken in, not sure if he was an asset and they are asking 1 million pesos to make it go away and reopen.
Streetlooker
01-17-14, 20:47
AT least 21 women, most of them minors, forced to become sex workers have been rescued in a [CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909) crackdown by police in Angeles City.
Chief Supt. Reuben Theodore Sindac, Philippine National Police (PNP) Public spokesman, said police teams swooped on two restaurant-bars in Balibago, Angeles City.
Sindac said the raids were carried out last Monday by elements of the Women and Children Protection Division (WCPD) , Regional Public Safety Battalion (RPSB) , Regional Anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) Task Group and representatives from the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD).
Sindac said the girls were working at the Lovely Paradise Resto-Bar and Aby Lyn Wine bar both on Raymond St.
Two women, Cristine Tanola, cashier of Aby Lyn Wine Bar, and Marilou Palconit, who also works at the same bar, were arrested, Sindac said.
Sindac said police are looking for four other suspects, Abigail Miole of Aby Lyn Wine Bar and Leticia Miole, registered owner of Lovely Paradise Resto-Bar, Diosdado Masong, and Edna Cavity.
The two bar have been under surveillance by police, DSWD personnel and International Justice Mission (IJM).
Sindac said two undercover policemen posed as customers of the bars.
Charges of violation of the Anti-Trafficking in Person Act of 2003 (RA 10364) and Special Protection of Children Against Abuse, Exploitation and Discrimination (RA 7610) are being prepared against the suspects.
http://manilatimes.net/police-rescue-21-girls-from-two-angeles-bars/68234/
Seems they forgot to report that a foreigner was taken in, not sure if he was an asset and they are asking 1 million pesos to make it go away and reopen.Did seem to me its only a matter of time before those Raymond bars got raided IF the anti [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) police were serious about cracking down on it in AC. Staying at the orchid hotel a few times I walked past those bars 100s of times and used them a few times for ST daytime action and always felt guilty that some of those girls just looked TO DAMN YOUNG sitting there. Hope they get it fixed cause the convenience of the quickie ST is good at those bars
Dflostrife
01-18-14, 08:50
Well as the other post mention the bars on Raymond are close due to raids, with the exception of Prince of Wales, as I was told but one of the staff from Prince of Wales; there was a 15 year old working in one bar and a 17 year old working on the other, the foreigner taken into custody was in the room ST therefore caught in the act, I was also told that this bars might re-open by March.
The article that Robbaf quotes is suspect. I don't think 21 people could fit in one of those bars. Most of those gals have babies. I doubt that "most" are minors.
One thing I noticed is that when a gal took me to the short time room, we went thru the back, down a hallway, and ended up in the back end of one of the other bars. So maybe the whole complex had one owner, or one license. Only then could I see 21 women being involved. Has anyone done a walkby. Are all the bars closed?
Someone has already alluded to the proxemity to a christian church. It's kind of funny in a way. I was there on a day when the church doors were open. On gal was a bit loud inviting customers. One of the other girls quickly sushed her. I think there had been some friction in the past. As SLooker suggests, it was only a matter of time. X.
Did seem to me its only a matter of time before those Raymond bars got raided IF the anti [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) police were serious about cracking down on it in AC. Staying at the orchid hotel a few times I walked past those bars 100s of times and used them a few times for ST daytime action and always felt guilty that some of those girls just looked TO DAMN YOUNG sitting there. Hope they get it fixed cause the convenience of the quickie ST is good at those bars
John Traveller
01-18-14, 11:45
Anybody hired a private driver to take you on day trips, someone you can trust with a decent vehicle and knowledge of the area? Want to get out more this is my third trip. Need to use hotel as a base and see more of the country. Really wish that we could find a person who could co-ordinate the woman. Night visits and arrange this as we have had done for us in Argentina, D. R, Cuba, China and Thailand. Not that I can't "shop" on my own there are a couple of us and really if someone else does the homework and knows the ladies and their personalities it sure saves a lot of time and hassle. Guess that sounds kinda like a "pimp" which is illegal. But all I think of it as is a date maker? Maybe there is such a person here in Angeles. Hope this is posted in the right spot, don't want my butt chewed. I will post about our adventures. I have been very hesitant to in the past. I had a buddy who did and his "significant other" found his posts, read them and he paid dearly for his travels and adventures.Yes, that would have been illegal, also I frankly don't see the point unless you are undercoover ageent.
My advice is to stay out of this kind of topic whatsover.
The article that Robbaf quotes is suspect. I don't think 21 people could fit in one of those bars. Most of those gals have babies. I doubt that "most" are minors.
One thing I noticed is that when a gal took me to the short time room, we went thru the back, down a hallway, and ended up in the back end of one of the other bars. So maybe the whole complex had one owner, or one license. Only then could I see 21 women being involved. Has anyone done a walkby. Are all the bars closed?
Someone has already alluded to the proxemity to a christian church. It's kind of funny in a way. I was there on a day when the church doors were open. On gal was a bit loud inviting customers. One of the other girls quickly sushed her. I think there had been some friction in the past. As SLooker suggests, it was only a matter of time. X.Here is another article that lists the foreigner.
CAMP OLIVAS, Pampanga. At least 21 female minors working in two bars in Barangay Balibago, Angeles City, were rescued by the authorities, the police reported on Friday.
Chief Superintendent Raul Petrasanta, Central Luzon police regional director, said the authorities conducted an entrapment against the owner and operators of Lovely Paradise Resto Bar and Aby Lyn Wine Bar, both in Barangay Balibago.
The bars, according to police, are allegedly engaged in prostitution activities.
Petrasanta said the combined teams arrested at Aby-Lyn Wine Bar the cashier identified as Cristine Tanolo, a resident of Barangay Balibago, and Malou Palconit, a native of Leyte.
Arrested at Lovely Paradise Resto bar were Helen delos Angeles, Josie Mondemar and Steven Gunter Kohler, a German national and presently residing at Josefa Ville, Angeles City.
All the arrested persons were invited at the Regional Investigation and Detection Management Division for questioning on their presence at the bar.
Petrasanta said 11 of the 21 rescued were discovered minors after their medical and dental examinations conducted by doctors.
He said the arrested persons are presently detained at Police Station 4 in Angeles City and appropriate charges were filed before the Office of Assistant City Prosecutor Judge Percival Antaja.
Petrasanta added that Central Luzon police will continue its campaign to eradicate all forms of criminality in the region. (Ric Sapnu)
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/local-news/2014/01/17/21-minors-rescued-resto-bars-323796
Pip Jaeger
01-18-14, 15:16
Here is another article that lists the foreigner.
CAMP OLIVAS, Pampanga. At least 21 female minors working in two bars
SNIP.
Petrasanta said 11 of the 21 rescued were discovered minors after their medical and dental examinations conducted by doctors.The article contradicts itself and we all know how reliable dental exams are in determining age, LOL. Too bad about Gunther, I think I met him there on my last trip, he's a regular and treats the girls well, always showed up with food for them.
If the NBI showed up in late afternoon / early evening then it's likely they did round up that many girls; shift change and some of girls live there too. As we all know, the NBI rounds up all of them up, says who the minors are and then usually releases the ones they say are over 18. I've sent an email to one of the mamasans I know and two of the girls (one works at one of the bars mentioned, the other next door) , but no answer yet. I'm sure that once remuneration is made the bars will back up and running. In the meantime, there's still two more there on Raymond St; plus Santos St and the other ST bars on Constain St and Teodoro St.
Girls were given medical and dental exam and age determined. Spread the news.
If he was studying the BIBLE he was in the wrong building the church would have been 1 more building over. HA! Damn Shame if this is true those places are cool and I planned a trip or two there in feb March for a ST 4some. Hope they open back up by then.Was maybe in missionary position. Misunderstood as studyign the Bible.
WestCoast1
01-18-14, 20:54
If he was studying the BIBLE he was in the wrong building the church would have been 1 more building over. HA! Damn Shame if this is true those places are cool and I planned a trip or two there in feb March for a ST 4some. Hope they open back up by then.I think the order of the bars, and the church next doors, while walking with the bars on your right, is: Prince of Wales, Lovely Paradise, Aby Lyn, Jumpin' Jack Flash, and the Sto Nino Chapel. I think the pics are in reverse order.
ThatGuy865
01-18-14, 22:08
The article contradicts itself and we all know how reliable dental exams are in determining age, LOL. Too bad about Gunther, I think I met him there on my last trip, he's a regular and treats the girls well, always showed up with food for them.
If the NBI showed up in late afternoon / early evening then it's likely they did round up that many girls; shift change and some of girls live there too. As we all know, the NBI rounds up all of them up, says who the minors are and then usually releases the ones they say are over 18. I've sent an email to one of the mamasans I know and two of the girls (one works at one of the bars mentioned, the other next door) , but no answer yet. I'm sure that once remuneration is made the bars will back up and running. In the meantime, there's still two more there on Raymond St; plus Santos St and the other ST bars on Constain St and Teodoro St.On another board. It stated the Fine is 1million pesos per girl held. And the Filippino owner hasn't decided yet to pay. The German guy was released. So he must paid his way out. At least on bail.
John Traveller
01-19-14, 09:00
Was maybe in missionary position. Misunderstood as studyign the Bible. This shows the risks using the on-site facilities. Better take her back to your place.
Will Santos or BJ-places on Perimeter be next? Those have not been scrutinized before, and should now take some precautions. I am bit surprised about raiding in the high season (january-february), thats new. If this was a local initiated raid it's connected to the Barangay-office and their anti campaign.
Member #4566
01-19-14, 12:36
How many times have you been in a bar early in the evening in the PI when you see nearly all the pretty girls clear out and you are told by the mamasan that they are meeting Korean customers sight unseen? Not everyone is bar hopping to get girls. Some people, me included, do not enjoy it. The fun and adventure that I am looking for in Angeles happens on top of my bed, in the shower, and anyplace else in my hotel room where I can station myself into a coital position that gets good traction. Besides, drinking just numbs things. I can do all the drinking I want to at home. No need to go to the PI to do that. Now maybe you non-Koreans don't have the inside track on pulling swaths of girls out of the bars but it is possible and that possibility can be explored.
Hello Rent One,
Ask someone at the hotel if they can help you. You may have to ask several people before you get results. Try to introduce incentives into the arrangement that further the ends that you want. Doubtless your intermediary will try to inflate the cost of the girls and keep the difference. Read the forum to familiarize yourself with the market. Don't pay until you are finished with the girl and get what you bargained for. Massage girls may be more open to the arrangement you are looking for.
Good luck.
AnywhereInAsia
01-21-14, 00:26
I was in Tao bar a couple of nights ago with a filipina friend.
Great fun bar with a heap of girls.
Pretty pricey though. Our drinks were something like 125p each.
My filipina friend and I both were pretty sure our "waitress" was a ladyboy.
No real complaint about that as she / he was very friendly and did a good job.
I even gave a reasonable tip.
Just surprised if they really do employ ladyboys in the big bars in Fields.
Do you guys think it really was a ladyboy or we were mistaken? Sure seemed like one.It's possible, I have noticed a waitress in another bar, I think one eyed which is now shipwreck. Also they are in high society now, in the beginning they were not allowed.
AnywhereInAsia
01-21-14, 00:32
I have never seen a restaurant in the Philippines serve tap water. They will always serve you "service water" which is delivered from various reverse osmosis water sellers in blue five gallon plastic cans. Ice is always purchased from an ice house which only uses processed water. I've been drinking service water for years and never had a problem.Agree, I always drink the service water, the locals know not to touch the tap water even outside the cities. They will either have purified water called service water or tell you they don't have it serve bottled water. I doubt they will ever serve tap water.
Member #4263
01-22-14, 14:29
Is Angeles City newbie friendly compared to Bangkok? I'm learning as much as possible on the best SE Asian countries for sex tourism.
I've almost made up my mind on BKK, I'll avoid Pattaya. I'm focusing on sex tourism and AC and Jakarta seem good alternatives.
It'll be my first time SE Asia since I'm from Europe.
The quality of the women is the big factor here. They must be slim and super sexy. Less about PSE (but hopefully GFE).
Thanks in advance and PM me with details if possible!
LifeIsABeach
01-23-14, 05:02
Petrasanta said 11 of the 21 rescued were discovered minors after their medical and dental examinations conducted by doctors.Hello, this is all made up nonsense by the police to sex up the raid. Dental exams? These girls probably have never ever visited a dentist their entire life and there is no way of knowing the age unless the doctors cut their legs and examined the number of rings like an oak tree to determine the age.
Margarita is one of my favourite places to eat. Good service and good food.
The Margarita waitress told me the very watery calamansi juice I had and my friend's soup used tap water.
If the Margarita manager is online here, it would be good to have a clarification.
Agree, I always drink the service water, the locals know not to touch the tap water even outside the cities. They will either have purified water called service water or tell you they don't have it serve bottled water. I doubt they will ever serve tap water.
Mr Enternational
01-23-14, 06:07
Hello, this is all made up nonsense by the police to sex up the raid. Dental exams? These girls probably have never ever visited a dentist their entire life and there is no way of knowing the age unless the doctors cut their legs and examined the number of rings like an oak tree to determine the age.LOL. That is one thing about Pinay. A lot of them have some fucked up teeth. Even my 30 year old side one in Thailand whose European husband is well off had dentures, which said to me she used to have fucked up teeth at one time.
And my main AC non-pro has some of the most crooked teeth I have ever seen. So much that I was thinking about doing something I have never done and asked her how much braces cost since we have been together for a couple of years now. She asked her cousin and the figure that she came back with was not to my liking so I guess I will just have to love her and her crooked ass teeth.
WestCoast1
01-23-14, 06:26
Hello, this is all made up nonsense by the police to sex up the raid. Dental exams? These girls probably have never ever visited a dentist their entire life and there is no way of knowing the age unless the doctors cut their legs and examined the number of rings like an oak tree to determine the age.Kinda makes me miss Matt-whats-his-name, the dental exam expert.
Tally Wacker
01-23-14, 06:27
Poor people have bad teeth. Better to not say anything if your fucking them and are too cheap to help correct.
LOL. That is one thing about Pinay. A lot of them have some fucked up teeth. Even my 30 year old side one in Thailand whose European husband is well off had dentures, which said to me she used to have fucked up teeth at one time.
And my main AC non-pro has some of the most crooked teeth I have ever seen. So much that I was thinking about doing something I have never done and asked her how much braces cost since we have been together for a couple of years now. She asked her cousin and the figure that she came back with was not to my liking so I guess I will just have to love her and her crooked ass teeth.
Your oak tree analogy is a bit odd.
Here is what they say about using dental records as an age indicator:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21428644.300-with-no-paper-trail-can-science-determine-age.html
Hello, this is all made up nonsense by the police to sex up the raid. Dental exams? These girls probably have never ever visited a dentist their entire life and there is no way of knowing the age unless the doctors cut their legs and examined the number of rings like an oak tree to determine the age.
Soapy Smith
01-23-14, 18:24
Your oak tree analogy is a bit odd.
Here is what they say about using dental records as an age indicator:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21428644.300-with-no-paper-trail-can-science-determine-age.htmlJust some Brit scientist trying to make a name for himself. You know how scientists are. Brits, of course, are really good people.
Rather than look for growth rings, why not measure wear and tear on the teeth? It works for horses, right?
http://horses-arizona.com/pages/articles/teeth.html
Not fair to compare horses and people? Because they shoot horses when they become a burden, right? But not people. What? They do?
http://nation.time.com/2014/01/22/execution-problems-revive-talk-of-using-firing-squads-and-the-electric-chair/
Threadbare
01-23-14, 22:45
Hi,
I have been to AC a few times now, also Pattaya and Bangkok. From my point of view, the AC girls will be more like GF, more friendly, maybe less mechanical in sex, less PSE. ALso very large number. You will have plenty of choice, and good quality too, certainly slim and super sexy. You can choose from Freelancers in the street. Can be dangerous, might be dishonest and you don't have abr to go back to to find her. Bar girls are good, safe and not expensive. Could also try to set up one or two "girlfriends" on DIA or similar, but its easy to find a girl who will stay as long as you want them, for not much money. ST 700 ps, LT overnight 1500 and "GF" for some days if you want, for as much or as little as you want to give her. Some meals, maybe clothes and they are quite content.
Hope this helps. Can't comment on Jakarta, I've never been. PLease let us know what you find if you go to both!
Is Angeles City newbie friendly compared to Bangkok? I'm learning as much as possible on the best SE Asian countries for sex tourism.
I've almost made up my mind on BKK, I'll avoid Pattaya. I'm focusing on sex tourism and AC and Jakarta seem good alternatives.
It'll be my first time SE Asia since I'm from Europe.
The quality of the women is the big factor here. They must be slim and super sexy. Less about PSE (but hopefully GFE).
Thanks in advance and PM me with details if possible!
AnywhereInAsia
01-24-14, 02:50
Is Angeles City newbie friendly compared to Bangkok? I'm learning as much as possible on the best SE Asian countries for sex tourism.
I've almost made up my mind on BKK, I'll avoid Pattaya. I'm focusing on sex tourism and AC and Jakarta seem good alternatives.
It'll be my first time SE Asia since I'm from Europe.
The quality of the women is the big factor here. They must be slim and super sexy. Less about PSE (but hopefully GFE).
Thanks in advance and PM me with details if possible!AC is very easy as newbie, you can stay in fields and don't really need to venture anywhere else to eat, drink, party and root until you feel like it.
Pattaya is perhaps easier, well cheaper and easier to get around than BKK, but thats another story.
Depending on your budget, BKK will have the best quality girls of all, AC will have the best GFE, but you may have to bar hop abit to find a real good looker, however bar hopping is the fun part, more so than Thailand or other phil citys, as long as you don't mind buying 10-20 drinks a night yourself as you check out each bar that is. For a non drinker AC may be boring. If you don't want to go to Pattaya for whatever reason, ill suggest BKK first and then a few days or a week in AC. Don't bother about manila, get a flight straight to clark on tiger from BKK and get the hotel to pick you up there for 400 peso and stay in fields and you will have a blast.
BrainDrain
01-25-14, 00:10
Here is another article that lists the foreigner.
CAMP OLIVAS, Pampanga. At least 21 female minors working in two bars in Barangay Balibago, Angeles City, were rescued by the authorities, the police reported on Friday.
Chief Superintendent Raul Petrasanta, Central Luzon police regional director, said the authorities conducted an entrapment against the owner and operators of Lovely Paradise Resto Bar and Aby Lyn Wine Bar, both in Barangay Balibago.
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/local-news/2014/01/17/21-minors-rescued-resto-bars-323796I've been told there are two types of raids.
The raids performed by NBI bring in out of town army with buses for the girls. These are the well researched, international focus, co-ordinated raids. These raids do not involve local police due to the risk of leaks and informants.
The other raid is by local police, often borrowing a jeepney to whisk the girls away. These are more shake down for someone whom hasn't paid their dues.
I encourage all efforts to protect minors.
This one sounds more local and very well timed to be able to only trap one foreigner.
I also heard that there would be more Visa checks this year. Anyone on the ground finding this is happened?
Hi Pip Jaeger,
I read what you mentioned about the above mentioned streets. I've been to AC a couple of times but never heard of those ones. Where are these streets and could you name some of those bars there? What do they provide? Is it like the ones in A. Santos and Raymond?
Thank you for your response!
Pip Jaeger
01-25-14, 14:41
Hi Pip Jaeger,
I read what you mentioned about the above mentioned streets. I've been to AC a couple of times but never heard of those ones. Where are these streets and could you name some of those bars there? What do they provide? Is it like the ones in A. Santos and Raymond? Thank you for your response!I know a lot guys restrict their activities to the main areas of Fields / Perimeter and don't bother to walk the side streets. No problem with that, but sometimes you never know what you'll find, be it a bar or just a pretty girl walking around.
A search on Google Maps will show you the streets' location. There's 5-6 small ST bars, (most are on Teodoro St) and I don't recall the names. They're all just a few streets off of Fields. Small and dingy, quality varies, but is mostly on the mediocre to low end; older and chubby, but still worth a look as gems can always be found. Both ST and LT available at comparable prices to Ray / Santos streets.
Out of curiosity, and because I was thirsty from taking a long walk, I stopped in one morning around 9am at a place on Teodoro that's next to Norma's (money exchange). 4 girls were there and I was offered ST (2 hours) for 400p, the girl didn't look bad and she promised a good BJ so I took her up on it. She was 27, a little soft around the middle, loose pussy (she had 3 kids) , but as promised did give an excellent BBBJ with a CIM / swallow finish. At the hotel I was told the regular price was 700p for ST, but business had been slow and she needed the peso's. Since no mama was there I think she simply did a "sneak out" with me, but I'm not sure and frankly speaking I didn't care. I'll post a pic of her on the PG for you.
Threadbare
01-25-14, 19:00
I agree with that, I have used a bar on Teodoro St called Sweet Cutie I think, opposite Mongolian Barbeque; very small place with a couple of tables on the street, also a bar facing on to the street where the girls sit. Its quite laid back, you can just have a beer or two and watch the world go by. I have seen one or two cuties there, and some of them live in the back room too. Prices are reasonable, as you say. This one seems less "formal" than some. I have also used the massage next door, and there are a few more of those on Teodoro. Cost was 300 for massage on premises, which was quite good, and then was the offer of HE there or returning to hotel with me for more extensive service. I chose the latter, and was well looked after. I just put this in as it is another common service to be found in AC. In fact I believe that some of the MPs don't even offer massage on the premises, girls just go back with you. Cheaper than buying beers and LDs!
I'm planning another visit in a couple of weeks, if anyone likes to meet up, pm me.
I know a lot guys restrict their activities to the main areas of Fields / Perimeter and don't bother to walk the side streets. No problem with that, but sometimes you never know what you'll find, be it a bar or just a pretty girl walking around.
A search on Google Maps will show you the streets' location. There's 5-6 small ST bars, (most are on Teodoro St) and I don't recall the names. They're all just a few streets off of Fields. Small and dingy, quality varies, but is mostly on the mediocre to low end; older and chubby, but still worth a look as gems can always be found. Both ST and LT available at comparable prices to Ray / Santos streets.
Out of curiosity, and because I was thirsty from taking a long walk, I stopped in one morning around 9am at a place on Teodoro that's next to Norma's (money exchange).4 girls were there and I was offered ST (2 hours) for 400p, the girl didn't look bad and she promised a good BJ so I took her up on it. She was 27, a little soft around the middle, loose pussy (she had 3 kids) , but as promised did give an excellent BBBJ with a CIM / swallow finish. At the hotel I was told the regular price was 700p for ST, but business had been slow and she needed the peso's. Since no mama was there I think she simply did a "sneak out" with me, but I'm not sure and frankly speaking I didn't care. I'll post a pic of her on the PG for you.
Optic Guard
01-25-14, 23:55
Is a swinger club or group in manila or Ac
Is there a map of Jeepney routes in Angeles City?
Master Monger
01-26-14, 04:03
Hey gents,
I am landing tomorrow at Clark around noon, kinda a surprise trip, was planning on Vietnam. My friend isn't arriving until the 4th. So looking for any brothers who want to hook up and show me the ropes! (Hotel (around Fields) , Phone Card (3G / 4G) , Eats (other than Margarita's) , and maybe a little tour and some tips! I have been a member about 10 years, live in Shenzhen, traveled to about 20 other countries, so I am sure I can provide you with good conversation. I am offering a free lunch, on arrival, a free dinner if we are still hanging by the evening and I will pay for your ST if you show me a decent place for that. I have a lot of info from the forum, but I am also coming alone and it is better to have a wingman. Just PM me where to tell the Taxi to take me from Clark, should be about 12-12:30 noon, or if you know a cheaper method of transpo. Plus how much the taxi should cost to your location. I will add a pic of a hotel I found on Hotwire for $19 a night, looks good but might be too far.
Also so I don't waste a post, here are some tips:
Controlling Inflation is simple: Never offer extra money (things are only worth what people pay for them)
Instead offer little gifts, perfume, jewelry, chocolate, etc. No one can say "I want a 1000 pesos and a bottle of perfume". But if the last guy gave her 1200 pesos she will think she can charge the next guy 1200. For those of you who think that little extra money doesn't matter. How would like it if I moved to your city, and started overpaying for cars, clothes, and food! Then suddenly the cost of those things rose 20%
None of us have a chance to beat Bill Gates in wealth, but I feel very confident that I have used my money more efficiently than Bill Gates, which in essence makes me more intelligent.
I like to live a 3-4 star lifestyle at 2-3 star prices!
Looking forward to hearing from you!
Happy mongering,
MM
Hey gents,
I am landing tomorrow at Clark around noon, kinda a surprise trip, was planning on Vietnam. My friend isn't arriving until the 4th. So looking for any brothers who want to hook up and show me the ropes! (Hotel (around Fields) , Phone Card (3G / 4G) , Eats (other than Margarita's) , and maybe a little tour and some tips! I have been a member about 10 years, live in Shenzhen, traveled to about 20 other countries, so I am sure I can provide you with good conversation. I am offering a free lunch, on arrival, a free dinner if we are still hanging by the evening and I will pay for your ST if you show me a decent place for that. I have a lot of info from the forum, but I am also coming alone and it is better to have a wingman. Just PM me where to tell the Taxi to take me from Clark, should be about 12-12:30 noon, or if you know a cheaper method of transpo. Plus how much the taxi should cost to your location. I will add a pic of a hotel I found on Hotwire for $19 a night, looks good but might be too far. MMI am not in town, but if you do not get any fast replies, go to Lost in Asia (very close to The Clarkton Hotel on Perimeter Road). They open at 2 pm and ask for Duke or Greg. Great guys who will give you the lay of the land. If you do not have to stay on Clark, I would recommend moving down to bar area until your friend arrives. I do not know the hotel you posted, but you get what you pay for.
A few girls will not want to go onto Clark, as it is very hard for them to get back. If you are looking for ST room, ask Duke.
Good luck and have fun.
Robb
Thanks to Pip Jaeger and Threadbare for their contributions! As Raymond seems to be closed, it's good to know that there are other options. I personally don't like fields so much. I normally monger on my own and to me, it feels a bit awkward sitting alone in those big a-gogos, especially when the stage is close and no other customers around and the girls, hardly moving, are staring at you. Well, there are the bars in Perimeter, A. Santos, Raymond, Teodoro St, Matrix Brawn, Nifty's and Xenum Night Bar Club at least. I miss the seedy one next to Xenum though that was removed. And when I was in Matrix Brawn last time in September, I wasn't sure how long it was going to last as there was no electricity and the building next door was gone as well. Every now and then a nice massage with a happy ending I don't want to miss. Do you guys know some other places that you'the recommend?
Master Monger
01-27-14, 09:03
I was tired so, the manager is also from Chitown, gave me a huge discount!
Is there a map of Jeepney routes in Angeles City?There is! Search: Jeepney routes in Angeles City.
Master Monger
01-28-14, 01:30
So I checked into the Penthouse Suites, less than 3000 pesos a night including taxes for a stone bath suite on the 7th floor! Went to the mall got all my essentials, changed some money, got a SIM card and at about 8 went walking on Walking street, the first pass nothing special, then this cute little spinner blew a kiss at me. Then the flower girl rushed over to sell a flower but she stopped talking when she saw my blue eyes and said take me home. I didn't want to so I said LT or ST she said LT then she said 1000 pesos, I countered 500 pesos but I need you till 12noon tomorrow and about 10 times. She said ok. So how could I say no. We did it four times and I was dead tired from the fact the day before I didn't sleep preparing for my trip and crossing the Hong Kong border at 4:30 am to take a morning flight here. So we ordered a pizza from Paizano's then I just sent her packing because I was too tired to be in watch mode sleep.
Day 1 Review:
50 Pesos Jeepney from the Clark Airport to Fields
2XXX pesos for an Awesome room at Penthouse Suites Hotel from my fellow American also from Chicago
1425 pesos at Hypermarket for (Olay face toner moisturizer 150ml 499p, St. Ives Apricot facial scrub 185p, Listerine 250ml 108p, Colgate total 88p, black pepsodent toothbrush rubber 99p, Old Spice cream deodorant antiperspirant 77p, Johnson's baby oil 67p, some hair gel 50p, Schick 3 blade razor 42p, Head & Shoulders shampoo 350 ml 210p) 340 pesos for Smart 3G MEGA 250 phone card and plan. 180 minutes talk. 100 mb Internet, unlimited texts.
475 pesos for an awesome large 16+ inch pizza from Paizano's delivered to my hotel.
500 pesos for 4 times with a hot 18yo named Hanzen, Total GFE, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, multiple positions, multiple locations, (shag carpeted floor, bed, bath tub, pressed against large floor to ceiling window for the world to see.) Face 6, Skin 9, BJ 8, Service 10.
Summary.
I may be moving to the Phils!
500 pesos for 4 times with a hot 18yo named Hanzen, Total GFE, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, multiple positions, multiple locations, (shag carpeted floor, bed, bath tub, pressed against large floor to ceiling window for the world to see.) Face 6, Skin 9, BJ 8, Service 10.
Summary.
I may be moving to the Phils!
Your bragging about fucking some poor girl 4 times and paying her $11. 36? Is that what you're doing here?
Good for you, their desperation is your ticket to fun!
Too cheap to buy a camera?
AnywhereInAsia
01-28-14, 12:27
Your bragging about fucking some poor girl 4 times and paying her $11. 36? Is that what you're doing here?
Good for you, their desperation is your ticket to fun!
Too cheap to buy a camera?I don't see the problem, that was the deal at the beginning as he didn't want to go with her anyway, but then she did agree. It wasn't like he stiffed her the morning after with only 500 without discussions.
Perhaps he could have given her abit extra as a tip, but doubling it to 1000 would be over doing it.
Mr Enternational
01-28-14, 13:58
Your bragging about fucking some poor girl 4 times and paying her $11.36? Is that what you're doing here? Good for you, their desperation is your ticket to fun!It appears that this is the sole reason the place exists. Whether he paid $11.36 or somebody else paid $300; the payment is irrelevant. When I was in the military, guys used to tell me about fucking chicks in the Philippines in exchange for fruit. Their desperation has always been our ticket to fun. On the other end of the spectrum, many guys' desperation for a woman has been many women's ticket out of P.I.
If you are so up in arms about it then just go over and pass out money without fucking anybody. I'm sure your donations will be well received and appreciated. If you have been around AC for any length of time and don't insist on gogo bars, then you would know that many women have no problem with 500 piso LT and will even offer that price to start. Fair exchange is no robbery. Just because it is not the price that Socker wants to pay does not mean it is the incorrect price. I did not see MM mention any complaints on either end in his report, so what right has a third party to come in and cry foul about a transaction he was not involved in?
Master Monger
01-28-14, 14:59
Hey guys,
Socker, she was screaming oh my god delicious, delicious, and something in Tagalog, which is a strong indication she was happy, but also the fact she called and sent me texts all day today is even better. Don't call people cheap, it is a good way to get an infraction, also I have a Canon Elph 300 HS, an iPhone and an iPad Air, with me here in the Phil's, but she asked me not to show anyone the photos I took, but I will upload a clothed one. Don't be a hater!
I got a minute before a hottie from the Korean KTV shows for 1000 ST, it is a lot but got her down from 2000 on WeChat, looks good white skin.
Dollar is 45. 90 and the Euro is 61. 80 at the moment.
My hotel room is an introductory price, so I need to find some new lodgings, good quality at low prices if anyone has a suggestion.
Wicked Roger
01-28-14, 15:43
Your bragging about fucking some poor girl 4 times and paying her $11. 36? Is that what you're doing here?
Good for you, their desperation is your ticket to fun!
Too cheap to buy a camera?Am with you Socker, not with Mr E.
He is bragging about how cheap it is, who else on a monger site tells us what he bought at the supermarket LOL MM. Old Spice, really that was 20-30 years ago. You seriously like that?
Mr E. Whatever the circumstances, respect is still one of those we should do our best to adhere to and some do it better than most. As MM has shown he is a cheap charlie he thinks life is cheap so come and live her and try that as a resident and see if her brothers. Uncles suddenly pay you a visit.
Also MM is a senior member who feels he does not need to pay as he told another member in Thailand when MM asked about BJ bars etc.
MM. A true monger has some humility and respect at times and does not boast about paying 50 pesos for a jeepney or 500 pesos for a girl. If you RTFF you find similar negative posts to others who boasted abut ripping of the girl, not tipping a trike driver 20 pesos etc.
What do you think this site is for? [Deleted by Admin] You should have some respect for senior members who don't have to pay "like myself" because we laid the groundwork to make this site possible. If I use "Google" then what is the point of this site! You should feel happy to help me!
True Mongering comes from sharing information!
Master Monger.
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To each his own. As for business deal what he did is right. It was agreed for 500 pesos and to his credit he fed her with Pizza.
Morally I would have given her 1000 pesos.
Going rate in AC barfine anywhere from 1500-3000 and tip of min 300.
But to a street girl 1000 is fair especially LT. But if he got it for 500 all the power to him. Blue eyes had nothing to do with it!
My comment was not about being a cheap charlie it was about having a heart. I understand the "art of the deal" and I respect guys who can negotiate well. But in this deal she went beyond the agreement w / many pops and great service. Where is your appreciation for her great service. She could have just lied there while you pounded her for 12 hours but she was a caring giving soul and took care of you well.
So I have to ask, where is your heart bro? That's all. If because she was so good for so long you gave her a 300p tip I would be tipping my hat to you but apparently you have a very little heart. So be it.
Mr E used to drive my nuts w / his cheap charlie exploits and of course I did not want to be nuts about it.
Who does one ask about why this or why that.
I found the answer and it is we're all equal and necessary in natures scheme of life. When the first caveman used a pretty rock to trade for something he wanted, Cheap Charlie was born. So w / this awareness I can read past most cheap charlie crap w / out commenting. For some reason I just thought $11. 36 for 4 pops and a lot of her time, god damn bro give her a break, will ya?
My guess is that 25% of the time the girl is fine w / getting screwed literally and figuratively but the other 75% are negatively affected by the small hearted guy w / no tip after good service. That's why LT is harder to get in AC now. The girls have figured out that and they don't want to be fucked again in the morning for 0 pesos by the cheap charlies.
You can blame the cheap charlies for the ST environment the girls insist on in AC now.
I don't have a problem w / cheap charlies but when they brag a lot I can't help to ask. Have you checked the size of your heart lately bro?
Are you positive or a negative?
It should always be,"win win" for you and her.
It appears that this is the sole reason the place exists. Whether he paid $11. 36 or somebody else paid $300; the payment is irrelevant. When I was in the military, guys used to tell me about fucking chicks in the Philippines in exchange for fruit. Their desperation has always been our ticket to fun. On the other end of the spectrum, many guys' desperation for a woman has been many women's ticket out of P. I.
If you are so up in arms about it then just go over and pass out money without fucking anybody. I'm sure your donations will be well received and appreciated. If you have been around AC for any length of time and don't insist on gogo bars, then you would know that many women have no problem with 500 piso LT and will even offer that price to start. Fair exchange is no robbery. Just because it is not the price that Socker wants to pay does not mean it is the incorrect price. I did not see MM mention any complaints on either end in his report, so what right has a third party to come in and cry foul about a transaction he was not involved in?
Mr Enternational
01-28-14, 20:52
Bro. When you go to AC you should shoot this girl more money on MM's behalf and tell her you are sorry that he was such a Cheap Charlie. Why are you not understanding that the girl had no problem with what SHE agreed to be paid? While you are at it, run down A. Santos and tell all the bars there that they should be charging the same 3000 as the most expensive gogos instead of 700 ST, so that the patrons at their bars will have more heart like the patrons at the gogo bars.
MM has already stated that she keeps calling him back wanting to see him again, which is always the case for me as well. This is prostitution. As Sade said in the song Smooth Operator - a song about a giggolo/male prostitute, "(This is) no place for beginners or sensitive hearts." If you want to use your heart then find a regular girl for that. There are plenty of women floating around who are not prostitutes. When you read boards, you see that everyday some guy in Thailand or PI has gotten his heart and bank account broken because he has put his heart into a hooker. What reason is there to pay more than the minimum that the hooker will accept? To make you feel good about yourself? I already feel good about myself and do not need to shower hookers with money and gifts above the agreed upon payment.
In two weeks I will be taking my AC girlfriend to Sabang. I gave her a choice of anywhere in the country to go and that is where she chose. (I was actually trying to steer her towards Bohol because I want to check it out.) She has never been out of AC and is even terrified of taking the bus alone to Manila. At the same time she is excited to be with me again and getting to see new places. Now THAT makes me feel good. I don't mind spending money with a regular woman, but a hooker gets no love and definitely no heart; only these 500-1000 pisos that we agreed upon.
Master Monger
01-28-14, 22:33
So Korean KTV girl had a tummy ache so we rescheduled for tomorrow, then out of the blue another texted me back,"want me to come to your hotel". I chatted with her earlier and said I would pay her 500 for ST she said keep it, so I thought she didn't want to see me. Then at 10pm she came to my hotel, and met me at the front. She was ok, face 6, body 7, BBBJ 7, DFK 8, so I asked her what she wanted to do, she said she could not drink, so I said want to come to hotel room and she said sure. Up we went, showed her the view, then started caressing and kissing, she showered, we cuddled for an hour, gentle touching she said it felt good, like a Singapore guy she remembered from a few years ago, so then gave her DATY, and made her cum like a river she was screaming, you so good, you so nice! Then there was A big wet spot on the bed we laid down a towel and I banged her six ways to Sunday she is like 4'2" 38kilos it was fun, then we went to buy a charger (80p) for her Samsung, some Kamagra Jelly (70p) , some KY (410p) and I ate a whole barbecued chicken (150p) from the little place down from Kokomo's. So then she told me about her boyfriend and how he gives her like 20, 000p a month and she works one job for 5, 000p and another for a foreigner for 6, 000p a month, then I went down on her again, she came, told me she has never cum twice in a night before. Then I banged her, then I said, how much you want and she said "nothing!" I said why, she said jokingly I should probably pay you. I said I have to give you something, she said just cuddle with me till morning, she is sleeping now but I am not tired, thought I would post.
Fun economic fact:
Average Monthly wage in the Phil's is about 6000p or about $150 US.
Average Monthly wage in the USA is about $3,000 US.
Short Time in the Phil's is about 400-1000 pesos or $9-22.
So $3, 000 is exactly 20 times more than $150.
$9-22 multiplied by 20 $180-$440 for ST.
But I can easily get streetwalkers in the US for 1 time good service for $150 ($80 for shitty service) and escorts for $350.
According to that the Phil's still could come down about 20% in price.
The prices of anything are based on the economy.
I love this place, these girls just need tender lovin'.
Guys, stop flaming me, I am not Cheap, I buy the best of Everything, I just pay less, like my flight round trip from HK only 7000p from Tiger air, used Skyscanner, you can download the phone app but sometimes has problems with the transfer to the sites, just look at which airline and go to their individual sites.
Anyway, I went through the first forty pages about Angeles and I wish more people posted prices of stuff. Better for budgeting a trip, and prevents them from overcharging foreigners.
The 2 girls I have had so far will be friends with me for life, the guys I negotiated down on the street will protect me and say I am a good guy. Personality accounts for a lot, like-ability is the strongest way to negotiate.
Oh yeah, I went to one of these no price mini stores and watched them like a hawk when they wrung me up, surprise bill not too bad. Went to 7-11 got 5 Pepsi Max's 26p each, some chocolate bars 30-50p each, some other stuff and a Red bull (75p) for energy. Guy said like 600p I paid and then he handed me my bags but no receipt. I said can you throw the receipt in the bag and he tore it from the register and threw it in the bag. Got back to my hotel, unloaded the bags and looked at the receipts. 7-11 charged me for an extra 3 Red Bulls. 225 pesos, I went back and stared the guy in the face, he said is there a problem sir, I said yeah you owe 225 p, and handed him the receipt, he said, oh yes you only bought one red bull isn't that right sir, I said Yeah, and he gave me 225pesos, so check your receipts!
Socker and Roger, dinner is on me you pick the place my friends! With all the money I am saving I can afford it! LOL
To each his own. As for business deal what he did is right. It was agreed for 500 pesos and to his credit he fed her with Pizza.
Morally I would have given her 1000 pesos.
Going rate in AC barfine anywhere from 1500-3000 and tip of min 300.
But to a street girl 1000 is fair especially LT. But if he got it for 500 all the power to him. Blue eyes had nothing to do with it!I rarely agree with Sammon on anything, but here I do. The guy offered 500 and it was accepted. 10 pops 'til noon the following day. That was the deal. He let her go after 4 pops, and I think it was earlier than noon. I think he owes her 6 more pops. :p He didn't promise one sum and pay another. He didn't play the up-to-you game; if it was played then p1000 would have been correct.
Yes, I expect to be flamed. And I understand the views who feel the OP ripped off the girl. In the end a meeting of the minds was struck. If she is willing to accept p500 then so be it
Bro. When you go to AC you should shoot this girl more money on MM's behalf and tell her you are sorry that he was such a Cheap Charlie. Why are you not understanding that the girl had no problem with what SHE agreed to be paid? While you are at it, run down A. Santos and tell all the bars there that they should be charging the same 3000 as the most expensive gogos instead of 700 ST, so that the patrons at their bars will have more heart like the patrons at the gogo bars.
MM has already stated that she keeps calling him back wanting to see him again, which is always the case for me as well. This is prostitution. As Sade said in the song Smooth Operator. A song about a giggolo / male prostitute," (This is) no place for beginners or sensitive hearts." If you want to use your heart then find a regular girl for that. There are plenty of women floating around who are not prostitutes. When you read boards, you see that everyday some guy in Thailand or PI has gotten his heart and bank account broken because he has put his heart into a hooker. What reason is there to pay more than the minimum that the hooker will accept? To make you feel good about yourself? I already feel good about myself and do not need to shower hookers with money and gifts above the agreed upon payment.
In two weeks I will be taking my AC girlfriend to Sabang. I gave her a choice of anywhere in the country to go and that is where she chose. (I was actually trying to steer her towards Bohol because I want to check it out.) She has never been out of AC and is even terrified of taking the bus alone to Manila. At the same time she is excited to be with me again and getting to see new places. Now THAT makes me feel good. I don't mind spending money with a regular woman, but a hooker gets no love and definitely no heart; only these 500-1000 pisos that we agreed upon.My last post is very clear. It's my opinion that you extremist cheapskates are a negative to the scene in general. The average to generous mongers even out the market place and make it possible for you cheap cheap charlies to operate. If every monger was as tight as you we'd be banned from the PI and I don't care what you think about it. This post above makes as much sense as a drunk Filipino. I think you have been there too long bro, your argument is hyperbole. You have no concept of fair treatment except when it comes to yourself and that's cool w / me. Being selfish and cheap w / others is very natural and obviously belongs a part of the human experience but I don't like it and from time to time I will say something, that's my nature. If you don't like it tough tittie!
When a monger receives great service and doesn't reward it then the next guy will probably get less from the lady. That is just human nature, you cannot argue this fact. All of these ladies are very poor and they have the nerve and courage to work in the bar business. They deal w / every kind of man (ugh) and then (after all the shit they go thru) they have the care and the lust you need from them. They are spectacular human beings and you freaking think they're just above animals that should be taken advantage of. Nobody said shower them w / money and gifts (that's your bs) and that's almost all you got is bs. For me regular women are the problem, for you regular women are cheaper on your pocket book and that's why you like them so much.
I am glad you're happy w / yourself but if you think what you get is the same service as what guys like me get (75% of the time) you are wrong. These low life hookers (to you not me) read you like a crappy book and most won't even go w / you but I'm sure you can hide your cheapness to the very end until the deal is done. Haha, you're a bottom feeder w / no photos to ever entertain the troops here. Why? Because it might cost you $1. 50. Mr E you are a lucky dude and have a lot of experience in mongering but you are boring and have very little to offer except the occasional bragging about how you get over on these low life hookers (your opinion).
The reality is your on the losing end of all this and that's the way nature works. I'm glad your happy w / yourself. The guys like me make that possible.
And for the record I think MM is a good dude and I wanted to say to him. A little bit can go a long way.
Cheers to all, we all belong as we are. That's MY opinion.
I rarely agree with Sammon on anything, but here I do. The guy offered 500 and it was accepted.This forum is democracy in action. Everybody agrees or disagrees on issues and have their say. It is their right.
Now to some comments about bragging how he got things done cheaply,
1. People rarely go for street girls in AC. So his experience may relate to somebody who wants to get laid for 500 pesos. Everybody knows it is next to impossible to get a girl for 500 pesos for LT no less.
Maybe he did get in 4 shots, maybe he did not. Maybe it was a ST deal all along.
500 pesos is better than the girl going home with nothing.
2. Taking jeepney to clark. There is a big taxi mafia charging 300 pesos. One time I paid 300 pesos and they crammed in other two people. I would not take jeepney mainly because of large suitcase I carry.
For those looking for cheap transport he is offering a solution.
There are always people asking in this forum advice about cheap barfines, cheap hotels, cheap food, cheap drinks, cheap lady drinks etc.
Some like to get things done cheap. So what?
Threadbare
01-29-14, 00:38
At the risk of adding some fuel to this fire, I would like to add my comment. I have bargained on prices of all sorts of things, and if I say so myself I am quite good at it, whether its clothes in HK, tuk tuk in India, or street girls in AC. Its good to find the lowest price you can get the deal for, and you know you've got to that point when you can walk away and it doen't go lower. But then consider who needs it most. If you're buying a leather jacket in HK the seller will still be making a buck, so thats ok. If its a street girl in AC, she is pretty desparate if she'll go LT at 500. So do the deal. You're happy at your skill, then afterwards give her a tip so she can be happy too. In AC they need it more than we do. I'll do with Trikes too, negotiate 100 down to 50 but still pay 100. Maybe I'm a sucker, but just like to play the game!
This forum is democracy in action. Everybody agrees or disagrees on issues and have their say. It is their right.
Now to some comments about bragging how he got things done cheaply,
1. People rarely go for street girls in AC. So his experience may relate to somebody who wants to get laid for 500 pesos. Everybody knows it is next to impossible to get a girl for 500 pesos for LT no less.
Maybe he did get in 4 shots, maybe he did not. Maybe it was a ST deal all along.
500 pesos is better than the girl going home with nothing.
2. Taking jeepney to clark. There is a big taxi mafia charging 300 pesos. One time I paid 300 pesos and they crammed in other two people. I would not take jeepney mainly because of large suitcase I carry.
For those looking for cheap transport he is offering a solution.
There are always people asking in this forum advice about cheap barfines, cheap hotels, cheap food, cheap drinks, cheap lady drinks etc.
Some like to get things done cheap. So what?
To each his own. As for business deal what he did is right. It was agreed for 500 pesos and to his credit he fed her with Pizza.
Morally I would have given her 1000 pesos.
Going rate in AC barfine anywhere from 1500-3000 and tip of min 300.
But to a street girl 1000 is fair especially LT. But if he got it for 500 all the power to him. Blue eyes had nothing to do with it!I have no problem with price. He made the deal and she took it, but I do have concern with her she is. Anyone with extended time in AC knows about the flower girls. I would be more concerned with her having my number, texting, calling and wanting to meet up again.
Robb
Master Monger
01-29-14, 02:29
So, this morning I bang her one last time then she said she needed to go buy a swimsuit, I said how much, she said 600+ for a good one, I said fine take a 1,000 (Only had 500p Notes) as a loan that will be collecting a 10% interest over the course of 70 years I will trade the accumulated debt for your soul. She agreed! I may not have a heart but I will have an extra soul, just have to outlive her so I can collect, shouldn't be hard.
The Charter for another forum later ISG, is to help men find Sex, you can Monger with no money "Suck my dick and I'll eat your pussy!"
Money is the easiest way, and the less you use the more you have to have more sex, if I was sitting on a couple million bucks I wouldn't give a rip, no way to spend it all. But actually good girls like guys who respect money and don't waste it. Bad girls, well they are bad! The world is all about happiness brother, if I was literally starving, I would take money over a fun time. If you make someone happy you should get a discount. But if someone wants to give you sex for a shiny rock then fine, awesome, sign me up. Girls never forget me because they enjoy their time with me. Actually there is "usually" no better sex than free sex. Try it sometime, the best sex was when I was a Gigolo for a while, my first customer was a 24 yo goddess in China, and I got paid a hundred US to bang her, she was some rich guy's mistress, anyway fake boobs, nose job, etc. Etc. Etc. I was so happy as I walked home I called everyone in America to tell them the good news almost cost me the whole $100 calling on my cell in 2006 from China to the US, but I was flying high. My last customer I showed up at this hotel and this butch woman who was about 40 answers the hotel room door, she smelled of cigarettes and had bad teeth, I told her I got sick in the car on the way over so I had to go home, and I really did feel like I was going to toss my cookies, they didn't like her complaint so they stopped calling me. It started to get a little old anyway, those women are more demanding than I have ever been, miss the sweet innocent ones though.
I don't lie by the way if say 4 times for 500pesos then it was 4 times for 500pesos. And I was trying to get her to say no.
Question: I thought there was no tipping in AC with the bar fine.
In the last month, I took the Southern Cross bus to Manila, the public bus back to Angeles and Fly the Bus from Angeles to Manila airport.
I was very impressed with the Southern Cross bus. A good bus and comfortable. The public bus was also comfortable and fast, just a hassle getting on as so many people at the terminal and no clear information.
Fly the Bus was terrible.
It was a very old bus:
- lousy aircon: hot inside, even though it was a cool day.
- slow: really slow on the highway and were passed by everyone, even jeepneys.
- uncomfortable: lousy seats that didn't even come up to your shoulders. The public buses were much more comfortable.
- late: we left 20 minutes late.
Lousy airport transfer:
I organised the airport transfer for 5pm. Was ready and waiting just outside the entrance at 5pm. Nothing happening.
I asked the guy there when it will leave. He said they were waiting for the Fly the Bus to come from Angeles and didn't know when they would transfer us. At 5. 15pm I politely gave them more pressure and a bit after 5. 20pm they drove me and another guy to the airport in a van. They did this when they heard the other guy and I discussing getting a refund and taking a taxi to the airport.
A small, but annoying point, is that all their clocks were set for 6 minutes early and the guy claimed my watch was fast. I checked later and my watch was spot on.
Also, while I was waiting, two separate groups of people complained as they were not called for their bus.
The airport transfer was 300p, which is the same or more than a taxi.
Avoid Fly the Bus
WestCoast1
01-29-14, 07:24
Question: I thought there was no tipping in AC with the bar fine.Yes, and no. In different places in phils, the tip is outside the barfine, and is often negotiated up front. This is especially true in the gogo bars on Burgos in Makati, or the EDSA complex in Malate. See Ira Johnson's recent post from the Makati thread regarding Burgos bar called Rogue, regarding the p1500 barfine + expected tip. These girls often won't agree to leave the bar until she is certain of the amount of her tip (in addition to her share of the barfine).
Back in the booth, Cris revealed that the barfine was 1500. Joy reiterated that this was the only set fee, and Baobao nodded at me hungrily. Cris went off to change into something streetworthy and Joy pointed out again how lucky I am. Yes, I get on my knees every day and thank my Creator for my life. Seriously.
Joy pointed out that a large portion of the barfine DOES in fact go to Cris and recommended a 3000 tip. OK, well, better than Bottom. Cris re-emerged in a lovely tight long dress and Baobao squealed – in fact Joy looked much better like this than in her lace halter and daisy dukes. The waitress brought over a pad with 2600 written on it – wait. 2600? Yes, said Cris. 2600 – at this point Baobao and I both were too excited to argue. I paid, and we left the bar.In AC, the barfine is typically all-inclusive. The girl typically gets 1/2 the barfine, credited to her account the next day assuming there is no customer complaint. Tipping is not normally done by filipinos. However, many westerners have trouble adjusting to the idea of not tipping (myself included) , and continue to tip, often 300+ depending on the girl's performance. Unfortunately, this process over time makes many girls dependent on the tip; they come to expect it. I'll PM you.
so, this morning i bang her one last time then she said she needed to go buy a swimsuit, i said how much, she said 600+ for a good one, i said fine take a 1, 000 (only had 500p notes) as a loan that will be collecting a 10% interest over the course of 70 years i will trade the accumulated debt for your soul. she agreed! i may not have a heart but i will have an extra soul, just have to outlive her so i can collect, shouldn't be hard.
i don't lie by the way if say 4 times for 500pesos then it was 4 times for 500pesos. and i was trying to get her to say no.
question: i thought there was no tipping in ac with the bar fine.i do not know which flower girl you banged? only flower girls i saw on fields are **** (cute) girls tugging your arm as you walk along.
there are some older ladies (ugly) who go into the bars selling roses but i do not think they are allowed to propose.
i have had room cleaning ladies propose sex for 300 pesos in some hotels (i will not name them ). in ac sex can be had from shop girls to girls who go to disco without problems. everybody knows the deal.
in ac barfine is all inclusive deal. if the service is good and she stays all night and good gfe you can tip if you want. there was a time few years ago girls never expected a tip and i doubt anybody gave a tip.
i offer them a tip or breakfast or trip to the mall, a gift and lunch. if they like you they want trip to the mall. all those girls who took trip to the mall came back to my room for a afternoon delight.
if the girl is cold and business like there are times i never gave a tip. i never gave a tip to runners.
Mr Enternational
01-29-14, 17:00
The one I banged was 19. She already had a boyfriend sending her money. She has left AC and is in Manila now because her boyfriend no longer wanted her to be around you horny ass bastards. I said Manila? Shit that is even worse! I guess he really doesn't know any better. I haven't hit her since though. She really does try to remain loyal to the guy. If I remember right he's a Black guy in Texas.
The one I banged was 19. She already had a boyfriend sending her money. She has left AC and is in Manila now because her boyfriend no longer wanted her to be around you horny ass bastards. I said Manila? Shit that is even worse! I guess he really doesn't know any better. I haven't hit her since though. She really does try to remain loyal to the guy. If I remember right he's a Black guy in Texas.
I might have been a little harsh in a past post and that's not how I really feel about Mr E. lately I've grown to like him because he takes himself less seriously even joking about his tightness w / a buck. I also understand the guys that live there (or have a lot of freedom to travel) play by a different set of rules, so they watch their dough a little more closely.
On my last trip to AC and the PI I saved a considerable amount of money because I was more experienced about the PI ladies. In my past trips I would tip 1000p many times and the lady would take it like it was 100p w / little or no appreciation. So I finally learned that over tipping is a waste of money and bad for the scene and I stopped. Last trip I made better deals and saved a lot. Part of my education comes from these boards and guys like Mr E so I just want to acknowledge this fact.
I still tip but a lot less. Last trip I enjoyed my first BJ bar session and it was excellent. The cost 700p and she allowed pics and was a good sucker so I tipped her 200p (still a bit high) because I'm just so damn happy over there after a good session.
Another mini victory were a couple of bargirls on their day off. I enjoyed them at The PB pool and then my room for 1600 the both. I did not tip and I think they were fine w / the transaction.
So I am all for a good price but at the same time I will not leverage them down from low to almost nothing. When I'm in a foreign country I want to be welcome and set the table for the monger behind me. If I show them respect and consideration I will be most welcome to return for more.
So in the end if you brag about getting over on a poor little hooker (anywhere) there will be someone like me that might speak up and offer a different POV.
Here's a few pics of my BJ girl and the 3some. If you don't have pics, you don't have proof.
Cunning Stunt
01-30-14, 02:22
Here's a few pics of my BJ girl and the 3some. If you don't have pics, you don't have proof.I often read with amusement, and a healthy dollop of cynicism, trip reports by guys purporting to have banged half the hotties in AC or Manila, Bangkok, Pattaya etc but with nary a photo to accompany their report. They often have some lame asss excuse as to why such as they are protecting the girls, didn't have a camera etc.
In these days of social networking when every CP has a reasonable (and often bloody good) camera sat upon it, and with just about everyone (except D Cup..lol) knowing how to post a picture to a website, there shouldn't be any excuse for a member NOT attaching a photo or two to a trip report, even if its a fully clothed one of a grinning bargirl with dollars in her eyes. Otherwise, how are we to know that you really left your trailer or Ma's basement.
BTW. I think that you were right. 500 pesos for a 4 pop LT is scandalous, if true, even for AC. I'm not questioning the veracity of the guys word but do often suspect that members err on the low side when reporting tips given in order to avoid ridicule. Everyone loves a freebie or near freebie.
I often read with amusement, and a healthy dollop of cynicism, trip reports by guys purporting to have banged half the hotties in AC or Manila, Bangkok, Pattaya etc but with nary a photo to accompany their report. They often have some lame asss excuse as to why such as they are protecting the girls, didn't have a camera etc.
In these days of social networking when every CP has a reasonable (and often bloody good) camera sat upon it, and with just about everyone (except D Cup. LOL) knowing how to post a picture to a website, there shouldn't be any excuse for a member NOT attaching a photo or two to a trip report, even if its a fully clothed one of a grinning bargirl with dollars in her eyes. Otherwise, how are we to know that you really left your trailer or Ma's basement.
BTW. I think that you were right. 500 pesos for a 4 pop LT is scandalous, if true, even for AC. I'm not questioning the veracity of the guys word but do often suspect that members err on the low side when reporting tips given in order to avoid ridicule. Everyone loves a freebie or near freebie.Actually there are many reasons some of us do not take photos. Many of us have wives or girlfriends and try to be discreet about our dalliances. Protecting the girls has nothing to do with it, for me at least. I have lived in BKK for almost 15 years and have never snapped a pic, always been discreet, kept P4P in perspective (don't fall for a working girl) , and life has been good.
Cunning Stunt
01-30-14, 02:43
I have lived in BKK for almost 15 years and have never snapped a pic, always been discreet, kept P4P in perspective (don't fall for a working girl) , and life has been good.Yes, but you live there so why would you want to post a trip report? I assume that the kind of member who makes a unaccompanied trip to one of the P4P hotspots is usually unattached or well versed in the black art of partner deception!
Yes, but you live there so why would you want to post a trip report? I assume that the kind of member who makes a unaccompanied trip to one of the P4P hotspots is usually unattached or well versed in the black art of partner deception!Us "residents" post reports on gals we take for the benefit of other members, residents and non-residents alike. Performance, skill level, etc. So if a gal is not so good other guys will not waste their time or money. Most of my "partaking" occurs in oily massage parlors, namely the PSE shops. If a girl is not up to my standard performance wise, I want to know in advance so I will not book her.
Mr Enternational
01-30-14, 04:09
Actually there are many reasons some of us do not take photos.Exactly. I have had my day of not only posting fotos on this site, but even taking them. I still do it every blue moon though. I am positive that I have posted on more different threads than anybody else on ISG. I have albums piled high from before digital cameras took off. I used to show them to all my friends and tell them that they had to go to Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, etc. The fact is that hardly any of them would ever go, but would always want to see pictures and hear stories trying to live through me (the same as some of the keyboard warriors on this site are living). Fuck that. These days I am like go out and make your own stories and take your own damn pictures. Even my own brother who is in the Army; he has had numerous chances to go to Thailand, but would only go to the Dominican Republic all the damn time. Now that he is stationed in Korea starting this month, he has written to ask when is the next time that I am going to Thailand or PI, because NOW he would like to go. I'm like fuck that. All the times I begged you to go. You are on your own now kid. Don't worry about when I'm going.
Now that I have a digital camera I'm so lazy at even editing and organizing my normal pictures. I have pretty much stopped taking porn pictures for my own collection or to post to the site all together. I've just grown out of it and no longer have the will to do it. Now my thing to do is when I am with a woman (pro or non-pro) is to get HER phone and make pictures and videos of us fucking for HER to look at later.
Tally Wacker
01-30-14, 05:18
Now my thing to do is when I am with a woman (pro or non-pro) is to get HER phone and make pictures and videos of us fucking for HER to look at later.
And that's why your the Most Enternational Guy In The World.
Stay Thirsty My Friends.
I had to cut my trip short. Attached, two chat mates from a dating site and one walk in selection. A thin, petite lady from candy bar. Was interesting in there. A table of 5 Americans all talking, drinking beer and checking their phones. None were watching ladies. I just love a petite lady. One, from the breakfast menu at voodoo. I just love her.
Master Monger
01-30-14, 08:26
So last night I bar hopped, had a fabulous Prime Sirlion Steak 250g (460p) at Candy Bar (1500 bar fine) by Perimeter. Then hopped into Det. 5 (1500 Bar fine) then went back to Fields and popped in Q Bar (2000 bar fine). After walked up and down Walking street and saw a cute little spinner getting off at one of the bars, I said are you going home. She said yes, I said come to my home it is more fun, she said no I am tired, I said just one time! And after a minute coerced her to come back with me, we had a great time. Girl is 22 Face 6, body 6, DFK 8, service 7, she had more fun then me but she did say she was tired. Paid her well under a 1000 not telling exactly because she is a bar fine girl and well, she usually has a set price, don't want to mess that up for her.
After she left, I ordered a massage from a card a girl gave me on Walking street. 400 pesos 90 minutes, she wasn't supposed to but I had her use Johnson's baby oil, good for my skin. Then she said said I finished 1 hour massage sir, I must leave in 30 minutes sir, I said what do you mean by that, she said I just mean we don't have much time sir. Hint taken: oh I said as I got got up from laying down. She said what are you doing sir, and grabber her ankles and pulled her into me. She said sir please we are not supposed to do this sir. On top of her I leaned down very slowly and kissed her cheeks, then started to suck her ear. The girls in the Philippines say the funniest things, she started to say shit oh shit, I moved to her neck and her body started to rile with joy! Then within 1 second I looped my fingers on either side of her pants and underwear and jolted them off. The look on her face was astonishment and she said ok, ok, ok, we wash first ok. Ok fine, washed up and made love, girl is 19 face 6, body 8, DFK 10, BBBJ 9, mutual service 10, total damage 620 pesos, for a 1 hour oil massage and a 25 minute loving making session. Bargain! I love the Phil's!
Your experience may vary. Of course.
Happy mongering,
MM
Master Monger
01-30-14, 08:54
Mr. E my biggest fear is that my sex videos will fall into the wrong hands I have 3 terabytes worth. Could effect my future political career!
My fellow Americans I promise that if I am elected I will fight wholeheartedly for the legalization of prostitution, and new laws that require people to have casual sex at least once a month! LOL.
I post using my iPad I take pics with my phone, camera and iPad.
just about everyone (except D Cup.lol) knowing how to post a picture to a website, there shouldn't be any excuse for a member NOT attaching a photo or two to a trip report, .
Hi CS, LOL, too. My guess is that that there many ISG members like me who are either technologically challenged, lazy, or have promised the girls they would not post their fotos on the internet. At least I admit it. In the Ho Chi Minh photo thread, for example, a few years ago I posted pics of the girl with the largest natural tits in Vietnam. She was (and still is) young, slim and stacked guys with huge 34 DDs. I know because I gave her a DD bra and it fit. Well, her Canadian boyfriend saw the pics and really gave her a lot of grief about it. When I saw her again she would not allow me to take pics and I had to pay double to do her but if you are a boob addict like me you do it. But I have plenty of photo albums loaded with her and scores of others from PI, Thailand, Costa Rica, Curacao and of course the USA. Happy memories indeed. If anyone wants to PM me with their email and a specific country I'll respond with a pic or two. Much easier than the 15 steps one has to take posting fotos in this forum. Next January I head to Dominican Republic for the first time which is supposed to be boob heaven for those looking to get more boob bangs for your bucks. Regards.
Long time lurker. 2nd time poster in the last day or 2.
Mailed my CASH to ISG HQ in FL so I can see and post pics.
Been to Phils 5 times, Angeles once. Looking forward to being there (Angeles) in 2 weeks for 3 days.
Have read 30+ pages of this thread. Got to give it to you guys, love it.
Carlos3000
01-30-14, 19:26
Mr. E my biggest fear is that my sex videos will fall into the wrong hands I have 3 terabytes worth. Could effect my future political career!
My fellow Americans I promise that if I am elected I will fight wholeheartedly for the legalization of prostitution, and new laws that require people to have casual sex at least once a month! LOL.
I post using my iPad I take pics with my phone, camera and iPad.MM, you have at least one vote in me. Please allow me to congratulate you on your candidacy. Hopefully you will not be running in one of the puritanical northeast states.
Streetlooker
01-30-14, 20:13
I often read with amusement, and a healthy dollop of cynicism, trip reports by guys purporting to have banged half the hotties in AC or Manila, Bangkok, Pattaya etc but with nary a photo to accompany their report. They often have some lame asss excuse as to why such as they are protecting the girls, didn't have a camera etc.
In these days of social networking when every CP has a reasonable (and often bloody good) camera sat upon it, and with just about everyone (except D Cup. LOL) knowing how to post a picture to a website, there shouldn't be any excuse for a member NOT attaching a photo or two to a trip report, even if its a fully clothed one of a grinning bargirl with dollars in her eyes. Otherwise, how are we to know that you really left your trailer or Ma's basement.
BTW. I think that you were right. 500 pesos for a 4 pop LT is scandalous, if true, even for AC. I'm not questioning the veracity of the guys word but do often suspect that members err on the low side when reporting tips given in order to avoid ridicule. Everyone loves a freebie or near freebie.I have NEVER owned a cell phone in my life and fail to see any reason up to this day to ever have one. I oft wonder why they are called smart phones when they make you dumber. TEXT TEXT TEXT all day long. I also don; t have a clue how to upload a photo in the photo section of this or any other sight do to my complete lack of knowledge to do much of anything on a computer. I did once think it was a good idea to take pictures of my trips to Thailand and or the Philippines BUT always thought carrying a camera around all the time got to be work. Plus it always seemed whenever I thought a pic of what I was seeing with my eyes at that moment would be cool I didn't always have my camera. Funny how when in the Philippines for 3 weeks last time I was there I didn't one time get on the internet except 2 min to e mail my son to remind him to pick me up at the airport on my return trip home and I DID NOT DIE ha ha ha. Plus why don't people believe you when you say you banged a hot little thai girl or a Filipinia without pic proof when IF your in town is has easy has buying a candy bar at the 7/11. Everyone knows that if you are in AC anyone fat old ugly don; t matter can walk into a bar point at a girl on stage plop down the required money and go back to the hotel room for a shag before you ever even get to ask her her name. So pics IMO are not required for a good trip report. AC trip holy week 2014 out
I have NEVER owned a cell phone in my life and fail to see any reason up to this day to ever have one. I oft wonder why they are called smart phones when they make you dumber. TEXT TEXT TEXT all day long. I also don; t have a clue how to upload a photo in the photo section of this or any other sight do to my complete lack of knowledge to do much of anything on a computer. I did once think it was a good idea to take pictures of my trips to Thailand and or the Philippines BUT always thought carrying a camera around all the time got to be work. Plus it always seemed whenever I thought a pic of what I was seeing with my eyes at that moment would be cool I didn't always have my camera. Funny how when in the Philippines for 3 weeks last time I was there I didn't one time get on the internet except 2 min to e mail my son to remind him to pick me up at the airport on my return trip home and I DID NOT DIE ha ha ha. Plus why don't people believe you when you say you banged a hot little thai girl or a Filipinia without pic proof when IF your in town is has easy has buying a candy bar at the 7/11. Everyone knows that if you are in AC anyone fat old ugly don; t matter can walk into a bar point at a girl on stage plop down the required money and go back to the hotel room for a shag before you ever even get to ask her her name. So pics IMO are not required for a good trip report. AC trip holy week 2014 outFirst of all if you're fat, old and ugly you're going to being denied by most hot dancers. They will absolutely not go w / you unless you're extremely lucky on that given day (and you won't be).
My opinion is if there were no pics in TR's there'd be 75% less mongers on this (and on all other) boards. Pictures (w / TR's) of beautiful women that are available is the main draw here, freak-in ask Jackson.
For me a TR is a job that takes time and I was brought up to do a job well. Whatever I do I try and do it so it is complete and thorough. For TR's I put my action w / words, you see what I see! Yours or Mr E's TR'S w / out pics are weak in comparison, even w / my shitty grammar my TR's blow yours out of the water for most (not all). Without pics, would you go thru all the trouble to hunt pussy in AC, Thailand, Indonesia etc. ?
So the guys who "could" take a few pics of their conquest (clothed or not) for their fellow board members but don't because their lazy, heavy camera, not man enough to ask, indifferent. I say you guys are the freeloaders. You like to see someone else's handiwork but too lazy to reciprocate. That's who you guys are, Freeloaders, Deadbeats. Sorry but there is a discrepancy here and you are it.
Now if you have Parkinson's disease and the freaking camera is shaking all over the place never mind your good w / me. But the rest of you are not putting forth the best you could because of some lame reason you believe in.
I'm not saying every TR has to be a certain way but I am saying every once in a while make it complete w / what you're really living so we too can enjoy your action. Is that asking for a lot? The answer is NO.
I want to be king again. This is how it looks to be King.
Cunning Stunt
01-31-14, 02:23
I have NEVER owned a cell phone in my life and fail to see any reason up to this day to ever have one.Good for you. Nice to see that there are still Neanderthals still knocking around amongst the rest of us Cro Magnons. You are a dying breed.
Regarding an earlier post, I am reminded of the Oscar Wilde quote about the man 'who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.
MM, you have at least one vote in me. Please allow me to congratulate you on your candidacy. Hopefully you will not be running in one of the puritanical northeast states.MM, mandatory casual sex once a month is way too sparse. If everyone got laid every day there would be a whole lot less fighting and a whole lot more happiness.
Good for you. Nice to see that there are still Neanderthals still knocking around amongst the rest of us Cro Magnons.CS, how did you get my picture? Don't you know you are supposed to mask the eyes? Hahahhahaha
ThatGuy865
01-31-14, 04:45
Lollipop raided tonight. Girls taken and papas an.
Lollipop was raided last night. Seems that an young African American asset barfined a girl, took back to his hotel and the cops were waiting for his return.
Soapy Smith
01-31-14, 17:40
Hopefully you will not be running in one of the puritanical northeast states.You have obviously never lived in the Northeast. It is true the Puritans settled in Massachusetts, but if you want puritanical attitudes toward anything sexual, you should try living in the Southeastern bible belt.
Soapy Smith
01-31-14, 18:36
If everyone got laid every day there would be a whole lot less fighting and a whole lot more happiness.I presume this was a half-hearted suggestion, but there is a natural experiment among chimpanzees that suggests it may be so. Bonobo chimps, which live south of the Congo River, appear to use frequent sex to head off conflict among the males. They are, of course, matriarchal. Common chimps, living north of the Congo River, are male-dominated, much more violent (even fighting to the death) , and seemingly much more sexually-repressed.
I presume this was a half-hearted suggestion, but there is a natural experiment among chimpanzees that suggests it may be so. Bonobo chimps, which live south of the Congo River, appear to use frequent sex to head off conflict among the males. They are, of course, matriarchal. Common chimps, living north of the Congo River, are male-dominated, much more violent (even fighting to the death) , and seemingly much more sexually-repressed.Thanks for the zoological example, Skip. I thought it was common sense. Then again, maybe not so common. In the 60s a common phrase was make love, not war.
Lollipop was raided last night. Seems that an young African American asset barfined a girl, took back to his hotel and the cops were waiting for his return.OMG! It mean the cops were waiting at the hotel or at the bar? Is it because the girl is a minor?
Wicked Roger
02-02-14, 08:45
OMG! It mean the cops were waiting at the hotel or at the bar? Is it because the girl is a minor?Http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=1423
May clarify matters for those who seem shocked (never seen an OMG! On this forum before. A first for me)
Master Monger
02-02-14, 12:44
This place is great a $200 a day budget you can live like a King, eat steak and seafood, bar fine the most beautiful girls, stay in the best hotel and drink like a fish get massages.
Last couple of days I have been busy, I bar fined the door girl from Shipwreck. 2100 pesos and banged her 5 times cumming but total banging time of 10pm to the next day 2pm was close to 6 solid hours of sucking and fucking. So I was tired and she still wanted more. She had hairy legs but nice girl.
I changed to another hotel, only 900 pesos a night (miss the Penthouse) but I got a great deal on a 40 square meter place near Big Tommy's.
Also my new place is better for activities involving the motorcycle I rented.
Hot Info:
There is a dangerous of Part of Angeles called "The Area" only 300 pesos for ST but usually only for locals, I was thinking about just going with nothing but the clothes on my back and 300 pesos to have a try but I'm not sure if I worked up the courage yet I definitely don't have the courage to go there in the nighttime.
But the beauty about knowing of "The Area" is a valuable negotiation tactic it is like saying I can get this cheaper at Walmart when the quality is the same which is similar to what I say to the girls. I say, well they have better looking and younger girls at The Area and, they say, how do you know about "The Area" so that means they agree with the girls there are younger and more beautiful. So even though you will never go there knowing about it can come in handy.
If nothing else it reality checks the girls who think they are so beautiful or so special, they ask for 4000 LT or the ones who don't want to be bar fined.
Happy mongering,
MM
Lollipop raided tonight. Girls taken and papas an.More and more raids nowadays. I don't think angeles city could still be the same as a red light district 10 years later.
It appears some mad guys don't aim on rob the ownership and extort high fee anymore. They are sabotaging this industry.
John Traveller
02-02-14, 17:06
Lollipop was raided last night. Seems that an young African American asset barfined a girl, took back to his hotel and the cops were waiting for his return.
Sources say that all dancers and waitresses have been realesed now. And the bar opened again yesterday. Rumours say that the reason for the raid was barfines, nothing else. Some "ass-ett" or similar started it. Customers were not bothered! Same old story.
About AC's future: We cannot know for sure, but as of now you can still have fun there. Same old story.
"There is a dangerous of Part of Angeles called "The Area" only 300 pesos for ST but usually only for locals, I was thinking about just going with nothing but the clothes on my back and 300 pesos to have a try but I'm not sure if I worked up the courage yet I definitely don't have the courage to go there in the nighttime.
But the beauty about knowing of "The Area" is a valuable negotiation tactic it is like saying I can get this cheaper at Walmart when the quality is the same which is similar to what I say to the girls. I say, well they have better looking and younger girls at The Area and, they say, how do you know about "The Area" so that means they agree with the girls there are more beautiful. So even though you will never go there knowing about it can come in handy."
Love this info.
I will be in AC Feb. 14-17, I will probably do the 300 pesos only (and shirt on my back) thing and check it out during the day.
I love the thrill of the unknown and getting cheap pus-say!
Part of the challenge of the chase-and-catch game is seeing how low in price I can get it for.
If I have to pay 2000 for it, well then so be it. You got to do what you got to do.
This place is great a $200 a day budget you can live like a King, eat steak and seafood, bar fine the most beautiful girls, stay in the best hotel and drink like a fish get massages.
Last couple of days I have been busy, I bar fined the door girl from Shipwreck. 2100 pesos and banged her 5 times cumming but total banging time of 10pm to the next day 2pm was close to 6 solid hours of sucking and fucking. So I was tired and she still wanted more. She had hairy legs but nice girl.
I changed to another hotel, only 900 pesos a night (miss the Penthouse) but I got a great deal on a 40 square meter place near Big Tommy's.
Also my new place is better for activities involving the motorcycle I rented.
Hot Info:
There is a dangerous of Part of Angeles called "The Area" only 300 pesos for ST but usually only for locals, I was thinking about just going with nothing but the clothes on my back and 300 pesos to have a try but I'm not sure if I worked up the courage yet I definitely don't have the courage to go there in the nighttime.
But the beauty about knowing of "The Area" is a valuable negotiation tactic it is like saying I can get this cheaper at Walmart when the quality is the same which is similar to what I say to the girls. I say, well they have better looking and younger girls at The Area and, they say, how do you know about "The Area" so that means they agree with the girls there are younger and more beautiful. So even though you will never go there knowing about it can come in handy.
If nothing else it reality checks the girls who think they are so beautiful or so special, they ask for 4000 LT or the ones who don't want to be bar fined.
Happy mongering,
MMMaybe it's the Filipino version of, Area 51? Where the most beautiful pinays ply their trade for a fraction of what they would make on Fields. Yeah! Go for it MM! Save some money too!
Can't wait to hear more!
Threadbare
02-03-14, 00:32
Yes I heard of The Area but never went, anybody been there? How do I find it? I will be in AC soon and interested to try it out. I'll report back if I can find it! If anyone is around next weekend and wants to meet just let me know (PM).
Maybe it's the Filipino version of, Area 51? Where the most beautiful pinays ply their trade for a fraction of what they would make on Fields. Yeah! Go for it MM! Save some money too!
Can't wait to hear more!
BrainDrain
02-03-14, 03:19
Http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=1423
May clarify matters for those who seem shocked (never seen an OMG! On this forum before. A first for me) Earlier I posted about the use of Jeepney v Buses.
The fact that Jeepney were used indicates to me it was more of a shake down as to unpaid dues to local officials.
Why not also just raid every other place along the street. Because they are paying their dues.
Why do bars close after the raids? Because they can't afford the level of dues that the officials are asking. This could be due to increased dues or that business is slow and the dues are not coming down with the trading volume.
So, while the local officials think that they raid the places to get more cash, the raids reduce the overall business through bad word of mouth making it harder for them to get more cash in the future. Too much greed will lead to the ultimate demise.
BD
Demise of what? LOL. Let me play Devil's advocate. If one business is behind in dues, what does that tell the others?
BTW, I'm not sure if it's wise for some members to give detailed info about bars and expenses and services performed. That seems to happen a lot, and I always cringe. Some reports have detailed the convoluted ways that bars use to try to avoid problems. Try to consider who might be reading your posts. X.
SNIP So, while the local officials think that they raid the places to get more cash, the raids reduce the overall business through bad word of mouth making it harder for them to get more cash in the future. Too much greed will lead to the ultimate demise.
BD
I could be wrong, but I thought "The Area" was the shantytown just across the bridge in McArthur Hwy, on the way to Angeles City. The bridge just after Robinson's Department Store.
Somehow I don't think gawking tourists would be too welcome there.
Yes I heard of The Area but never went, anybody been there? How do I find it? I will be in AC soon and interested to try it out. I'll report back if I can find it! If anyone is around next weekend and wants to meet just let me know (PM).
Is there a strong "bar owners association"? Seems they sure need one!
Demise of what? LOL. Let me play Devil's advocate. If one business is behind in dues, what does that tell the others?
BTW, I'm not sure if it's wise for some members to give detailed info about bars and expenses and services performed. That seems to happen a lot, and I always cringe. Some reports have detailed the convoluted ways that bars use to try to avoid problems. Try to consider who might be reading your posts. X.
Lollipop was raided last night. Seems that an young African American asset barfined a girl, took back to his hotel and the cops were waiting for his return.Tonight I stopped in Lollipop and I can confirm it is up and running. The door girl, Janilyn was too hot not to go with! 2000BF. Great time with her.
John Traveller
02-04-14, 19:58
Shadows Bar at Santos street was raided today, all empoyees were taken away. Customers were not bothered.
As everyone should know there are two types of raids:
1. Official and centrally initiated, various agencies, multiple reasons of which we don't know much about, buses and suvs, bar stays closed, can happen at anytime of year.
2. Local, one agency / police, money-based, jeepneys, bar reopens within the week, used to be only in low season but now it happens at any time.
Shadows and the two bars on Raymond street last week goes under number 1. Lollipop a few days ago goes under number 2. And yes, type 1 are the most serious ones with all the speculations about why. I don't know the reasons for the last one on Santos, but it seems to me that these small bars on the side streets were not expecting raids because they have not been raided before! See my post from last week below.
This shows the risks using the on-site facilities. Better take her back to your place.
Will Santos or BJ-places on Perimeter be next? Those have not been scrutinized before, and should now take some precautions. I am bit surprised about raiding in the high season (January-February) , thats new. If this was a local initiated raid it's connected to the Barangay-office and their anti campaign.
First, I am not trying to scare anyone, just adding information and hopefully everyone has enough common sense to maintain situational awareness.
Second, the raid on Raymond Street was posted under ICE website with surveillance photo from Orchid Inn.
MANILA, Philippines — USA Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) special agents in Manila assisted the Philippine National Police (PNP) and the non-governmental organization International Justice Mission (IJM) in the Jan. 14 rescue of 21 female sex workers and the arrest of two Filipino nationals for violations of Philippian law. Eleven of the victims rescued were minors.
On Jan. 13, HSI Manila assisted the PNP in a [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) rescue operation including the execution of two search and arrest warrants on two commercial sex establishments – Aby Lynn and Lovely Paradise – in Balibago, Angeles City. These establishments provided children for sexual acts to foreign customers, including customers from the United States.
HSI Manila Deputy Attaché Eric McLoughlin said,"Sex trafficking is one of the most heinous crimes HSI investigates. These victims are taken advantage of and exploited on a daily basis. HSI will continue to aggressively stand alongside our international partners at the PNP and IJM in this collaborative effort to identify, arrest and prosecute those who seek to profit at the expense of the suffering of others and at the same time rescue those who are being exploited."
PNP Regional Anti [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) Task Force Region 3 (RATT3) Commander Palaleo Addag said,"Angeles City, Pampanga, is a hot-bed for trafficking young women and children. Each year foreigners travel by the thousands to Angeles with the sole intention of sexually exploiting young women and children. HSI is a strategic partner for the PNP in combating such exploitation as many establishments refuse to allow nationals to enter their premise, making them nearly impossible to investigate. This investigation and the subsequent rescue of the exploited victims would not have been possible without the assistance of HSI."
Arrested were Christine Tanola Canolo. 31, and Marilon Palconit Oraiso. 30, both of Angeles City. They were both charged with Philippine Republic Act 9208 Trafficking in Persons and 7610 Child abuse and exploitation. They were presented to the Philippine Department of Justice (PDOJ) and remanded by PDOJ for violations of Philippine Republic Act 9208 and 7610 child abuse and exploitation. If convicted, the defendants face a maximum penalty of life in prison.
Christine Canolo and Marilon Orasio are alleged to be the "mamasans" of each commercial establishment, facilitating the sale of minors to foreigners, including Americans, for the purposes of sexual acts. HSI played a dual role in this investigation primarily to identify threats to the United States by attempting to determine potential involvement of transnational organized criminal elements or other nefarious actors. HSI's secondary role was acting as a force multiplier to foreign counterparts including lending subject matter expertise, organizational support by bringing together multiple entities including non-governmental organizations, after-care services, foreign and USA law enforcement as well as logistics, operational planning and surveillance.
Of the total 21 victims rescued. 11 are minors aged 15 to 17 years old. The Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD) is providing services to the victims.
HSI's Office of International Affairs (OIA) is responsible for enhancing national security by conducting and coordinating international investigations. With agents in 67 offices in 48 countries around the world, OIA represents ICE's broadest footprint beyond our borders. HSI attaché offices work with foreign counterparts to identify and combat transnational criminal organizations before they threaten the United States.
http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1401/140115manila.htm
Hi Guys,
Will be in AC tomorrow for a few days. Hope to add a positive field report soon on our paradise place. Anyone for a beer or 2 I shall be in Geckos at 5. 30pm tomorrow. Or PM me.
Cheers all.
Ice
Anyone know if they have re-opened or if the girls are still locked up? I just left Angeles a Monday and had a decent time with 2 of the girls from there.
Shoebridge
02-06-14, 00:08
This is random, but I was reading a story about a guy marrying his PI bargirl, and he said he wanted to take her to a Toro Toro show. I've googled it and can't figure out what it is, just in case I'm missing out on something awesome (or gross!) I figured I'd ask here.
Any clue what it is?
Thanks.
Shoe.
Tally Wacker
02-06-14, 00:37
This is random, but I was reading a story about a guy marrying his PI bargirl, and he said he wanted to take her to a Toro Toro show. I've googled it and can't figure out what it is, just in case I'm missing out on something awesome (or gross!) I figured I'd ask here.
Any clue what it is?
Thanks.
Shoe.Live sex show?
https://mubi.com/films/live-show
Pip Jaeger
02-06-14, 00:53
This is random, but I was reading a story about a guy marrying his PI bargirl, and he said he wanted to take her to a Toro Toro show. I've googled it and can't figure out what it is, just in case I'm missing out on something awesome (or gross!) I figured I'd ask here.
Any clue what it is?
Thanks.
Shoe.It's a live sex show, common back in the Marcos era, also called a "Torohan". They're still around, but you have to know the right people to get invited. Was the subject of a now banned (in the Phils) movie called "Live Show".
Hey guys,
A question: A couple of places have been raided. It was said that it would anyway be better to take the girl back to the hotel. Well, let's assume one wants to have it on their premises. If one's upstairs, with a girl that is above 18 for certain, and caught in the middle of the act, I mean a raid was just about to take place, would that cause any problems to the customer? Or is it just a problem when it turns out that she's not 18 yet even though it's mentioned like this on her card?
Thanks for your help! Happy mongering!
Threadbare
02-07-14, 14:02
Hi all,
Just thought I would post an update on AC bar situation. Aby Lynn and Lovely Paradise bars were planned to reopen tonight or tomorrow. I was in the next door bar last
Night and the mama told me Lovely Paradise had to pay 1m pesos to reopen so around $23000 I guess. And they have to reopen without girls, so I don't know how that pays the rent. And the issue is there were girls "15. 17" there. As for Shadows bar, as of this evening its still closed, I didn't hear anything. Also the Tastie Cutie bar opposite Mongolian BBQ in Teodoro was closed last night too. All these bars just have a bar stool in the entrance and no one inside. On the bright side, there are some new bars since I was here in October, plenty of FL all around you! But did start to get quiet about midnight, earlier than before. That was Thursday night, so I'll see what Friday and Saturday are like, but hey still plenty of action in our little heaven! Report to follow later.
John Traveller
02-07-14, 18:32
That would be risky, too risky. We don't know what could happen. Now, I haven't been anywhere near this kind of situation so I don't know. One possibility is this (which probably happened with the German guy) : You go with a gilrl with a 18+ id-card, you are cought, they cannot decide what to do in the moment so they take you to the station. One day later they finally find out she's 18+, they release you. But if the dental check says she is below they keep you. And the check is not trustworthy anyway.
Also: if you suspect a bar have UA, don't go there at all. Remember that UA in PI is what they decide it is, through (false) dental exams or whatever hearsay they make up. And guilty intil prooven innocent. Personally I would not have put myself in this situation in the first place.
But what is the purpose of your question? Do you really want to try out this, are you just curious about what other people here think about this, or is it something else?
Hey guys,
A question: A couple of places have been raided. It was said that it would anyway be better to take the girl back to the hotel. Well, let's assume one wants to have it on their premises. If one's upstairs, with a girl that is above 18 for certain, and caught in the middle of the act, I mean a raid was just about to take place, would that cause any problems to the customer? Or is it just a problem when it turns out that she's not 18 yet even though it's mentioned like this on her card?
Thanks for your help! Happy mongering!
hey john traveller,
thanks for your lines! well, i'm not only curious, but also. you know, i'm in bangkok right now and on my way to ac. i've already been there a couple of times. i almost only had my way on their premises because i didn't want to have the girls in my room. it happened very rarely though. also in thailand i do my stuff outside. i love to have my peace in my room. i've got to admit that i don't know whether i've already had an ****d girl in ac. if so, i must have been terribly lucky that there was never a raid before or not at the times i was there. finally, and because it's also about safety mongering after all, no-one wants to stay in a prison there, i've got to change my way obviously and take them back to my room. it takes more time though and i don't like walking around with these girls. i could also order them to my room as i always stay near a. santos and raymond st.
This is my third time in AC and I was here a year ago. The walking street section seems very subdued compared to the way it was. I think that is mainly because there are many closed bars and so less lights and noise. Also there are fewer women outside the bars luring people in. The number of people walking on the street is about the same or a little less and the activity in the bars varies from empty / quiet to crowded which is much the same as before except there are fewer bars. There are many signs looking to hire dancers and GROs, more than in my previous visits so maybe this is just a temporary lull.
The redesigned street design has typically bad execution. I guess the pavement is uneven in sections because there is pooled water in many places.
The section outside of the walking street towards Perimeter seems to be more similar to the way it was before with lots of people on the sidewalk / street and noisy bars. Plus the requisite beggers, viagra salesmen, etc.
I have been to AC a few times and had great times and a lot of GFE, but was wondering if any one has suggestions about getting PSE type if service like the type available from the soi 24 massage places in Bangkok. Specific bars or specific ladies would be greatly appreciated. I like them curvy.
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, I went there for the first time last year. I didn't care for the drive thru all the traffic in Manilla. Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. I read that the immigration officials at Clark are really bad. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.
Mr Enternational
02-11-14, 10:27
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, I went there for the first time last year. I didn't care for the drive thru all the traffic in Manilla. Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. I read that the immigration officials at Clark are really bad. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.Most flights from the US will stop in Tokyo before you can transfer to a flight for the Philippines. And all the flights to the Philippines from Tokyo go to Manila. One alternative I see is if you get a flight from the US going to Seoul. From there you can transfer to a direct flight to AC. Depending on your connection time, I'm sure you will come out better taking a taxi or bus from Manila.
9h 50m duration. 1+ stops. Tokyo, Japan (all airports) to Angeles City, Philippines (CRK)
9h 50m+ ANA, Asiana. Via Matsuyama, Seoul.
10h 30m+ JAL, Asiana. Via Takamatsu, Seoul.
10h 50m+ Korean Air, Asiana. Via Seoul.
11h 15m+ Asiana. Via Seoul.
11h 20m+ China Southern, Asiana. Via Shenyang, Seoul
https://www.google.com/search?q=flights+from+tokyo+to+clark&oq=flights+tokyo+clark&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.9805j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
There are only two possibilities from the main airport (ICN) in Seoul however.
1+ flights per day, 3h 57m duration Seoul, South Korea (all airports) to Angeles City, Philippines (CRK)
7:55 pm→10:55 pm Jin Air 3 SuMTuThF ICN-CRK
8:50 pm→11:45 pm Asiana 707 Daily ICN-CRK
https://www.google.com/search?q=flights+from+tokyo+to+clark&oq=flights+tokyo+clark&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.9805j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=flights+from+seoul+to+clark
Now, it appears your best bet would be Asiana who has flights from New York JFK, LAX, and SFO to Seoul. As far as prices and stopover times, you're on your own there buddy. A bus or taxi ride may not be so bad after all. It's not like you have to do the driving.
AnywhereInAsia
02-11-14, 10:27
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, I went there for the first time last year. I didn't care for the drive thru all the traffic in Manilla. Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. I read that the immigration officials at Clark are really bad. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.Majority land at Manila, as there are only a few airlines servicing Clark. Of course going via Clark is easier but depending where your coming from Manila may be the only option. I've never had any problems with immigration at either entry, however clark can get busy if your plane arrives just after another one you may be stuck there for a hour.
Geneva Guy
02-11-14, 14:42
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, I went there for the first time last year. I didn't care for the drive thru all the traffic in Manilla. Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. I read that the immigration officials at Clark are really bad. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.You can always fly from the USA to Singapore. There are 3-4 budget airlines that fly to various spots in PHIL. Airlines that fly from US to SG are Sing Air, United and Delta. I recommend Sing Air.
GG
Screaming Beaver
02-11-14, 15:14
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, I went there for the first time last year. I didn't care for the drive thru all the traffic in Manilla. Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. I read that the immigration officials at Clark are really bad. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.Since you are coming from the USA, Cathay Pacific would be your best option if you want to fly into Clark. There are four flights per week leaving from Hong Kong to Clark and back. I travel that route and there is very little layover time before my connecting flights. Also, the immigration officials are no better or worse than Manila.
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, I went there for the first time last year. I didn't care for the drive thru all the traffic in Manilla. Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. I read that the immigration officials at Clark are really bad. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.You can also fly Philippine Airlines from San Francisco or Los Angeles or Las Vegas direct to Manila. I then fly Cebu Pacific to Cebu for a few days then Clark. I've never had any problems with Clark officials. Just say mabuhay and smile.
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, I went there for the first time last year. I didn't care for the drive thru all the traffic in Manilla. Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. I read that the immigration officials at Clark are really bad. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.Yes, most travelers go to Manila mainly because most major airlines go to Manila only. Only some Korean airlines have flights to Clark. Fare tend to be higher if you choose to go to Clark.
I have flown from US with many airlines. For example if you fly Singapore airlines you stop over in Singapore. Cathay stop will be in Hong Kong. US airlines fly via Tokyo. My favorite is United via Hawaii and Guam to Manila.
This is mainly because of my status with them and get upgraded all the time.
Manila to Angeles transport is not bad if you use Swagman shuttle.
Best thing to do is look at all the sites to get the best fare. No point in spending too much money irrespective of what stops they make. All the airlines are pretty good especially on long haul.
You can also fly Philippine Airlines from San Francisco or Los Angeles or Las Vegas direct to Manila. I then fly Cebu Pacific to Cebu for a few days then Clark. I've never had any problems with Clark officials. Just say mabuhay and smile.Thank you for the quick reply.
Most flights from the US will stop in Tokyo before you can transfer to a flight for the Philippines. And all the flights to the Philippines from Tokyo go to Manila. One alternative I see is if you get a flight from the US going to Seoul. From there you can transfer to a direct flight to AC. Depending on your connection time, I'm sure you will come out better taking a taxi or bus from Manila.
9h 50m duration. 1+ stops. Tokyo, Japan (all airports) to Angeles City, Philippines (CRK)
9h 50m+ ANA, Asiana. Via Matsuyama, Seoul.
10h 30m+ JAL, Asiana. Via Takamatsu, Seoul.
10h 50m+ Korean Air, Asiana. Via Seoul.
11h 15m+ Asiana. Via Seoul.
11h 20m+ China Southern, Asiana. Via Shenyang, Seoul.
https://www.google.com/search?q=flights+from+tokyo+to+clark&oq=flights+tokyo+clark&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.9805j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
There are only two possibilities from the main airport (ICN) in Seoul however.
1+ flights per day. 3h 57m duration Seoul, South Korea (all airports) to Angeles City, Philippines (CRK)
7:55 pm&8594; 10:55 pm Jin Air 3 SuMTuThF ICN-CRK.
8:50 pm&8594; 11:45 pm Asiana 707 Daily ICN-CRK.
https://www.google.com/search?q=flights+from+tokyo+to+clark&oq=flights+tokyo+clark&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.9805j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=flights+from+seoul+to+clark
Now, it appears your best bet would be Asiana who has flights from New York JFK, LAX, and SFO to Seoul. As far as prices and stopover times, you're on your own there buddy. A bus or taxi ride may not be so bad after all. It's not like you have to do the driving.Thank you so much for the informative reply. I just have a fear of missing my flight due to traffic.
Yes, most travelers go to Manila mainly because most major airlines go to Manila only. Only some Korean airlines have flights to Clark. Fare tend to be higher if you choose to go to Clark.
I have flown from US with many airlines. For example if you fly Singapore airlines you stop over in Singapore. Cathay stop will be in Hong Kong. US airlines fly via Tokyo. My favorite is United via Hawaii and Guam to Manila.
This is mainly because of my status with them and get upgraded all the time.
Manila to Angeles transport is not bad if you use Swagman shuttle.
Best thing to do is look at all the sites to get the best fare. No point in spending too much money irrespective of what stops they make. All the airlines are pretty good especially on long haul.Thank you. I really appreciate everyones knowledge on this board.
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, I went there for the first time last year. I didn't care for the drive thru all the traffic in Manilla. Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. I read that the immigration officials at Clark are really bad. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.You may want to check Qatar Airlines. They have flight that land at Clark / Angeles (CRK) from the US with a short layover at Doha International Airport. As far as customs in Clark, I was waived through and it took me all of 45 seconds to clear customs upon my arrival. I'm still here so I can't attest to how it is going out. Hope this info helps, enjoy your trip!
I will be traveling to Angeles City in May, . Do most travelers from the US that are just going to Angeles City go by way of Manilla or do the majority land at Clark International. Any help / opinions would be appreciated.Without knowing your intended departure city, best suggestion is to look here for overview: http://matrix.itasoftware.com
Suggeston would be to take non-stop to Hong Kong, from there a cheap and easy in to Clark.
Stopping in Guam, Tokyo, Seoul, that sounds like something for people knocking themselves out trying to save every cent they can regardless.
Threadbare
02-11-14, 19:21
I have flown into Clark, and its best served from Singapore or Bangkok. Local airlines, or Qatar and Emirates fly direct into Clark, of course from their respective hubs Qatar or Dubai. I've only done from UK so can't say anything about flights from US, but easy transit through Clark, never had any problem immigration or customs, you will be off the plane and in your hotel within 30 minutes. I have flown into Manila as well and get AC hotel) Pacific Breeze normally) to send a car, which costs about $40, and good service, but takes 2. 3 hours driving.
Hope that helps.
You may want to check Qatar Airlines. They have flight that land at Clark / Angeles (CRK) from the US with a short layover at Doha International Airport. As far as customs in Clark, I was waived through and it took me all of 45 seconds to clear customs upon my arrival. I'm still here so I can't attest to how it is going out. Hope this info helps, enjoy your trip!
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