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Pip Jaeger
03-08-14, 01:44
Just wanted to ask you if you could recommend a good hotel in the middle of the action. I was told abc and penthouse have you tried these. I don't mind paying a bit more for better accommodations.Not to sound like a pretentious dick, but at the moment I can't think of any other way to say this; RTFF! Especially the AC hotels thread, fresh info there about the Penthouse and a few others as well as an excellent comparative review of the Penthouse / Queens hotels was just posted a few days ago by Key Master. ABC is also a good choice, just a short stroll to the walking street area of Fields.
If it flies, floats, or fucks it is way cheaper to lease.Truer words were never uttered. The only real questions how much, how long, and how often you will pay.
Not to sound like a pretentious dick, but at the moment I can't think of any other way to say this; RTFF! Especially the AC hotels thread, fresh info there about the Penthouse and a few others as well as an excellent comparative review of the Penthouse / Queens hotels was just posted a few days ago by Key Master. ABC is also a good choice, just a short stroll to the walking street area of Fields.Ok I deserved that.
Your post is useful, but a bit vague. I'm sure you have your reasons. No offense, any info is good info.
I can think of a few reasons for using the short time rooms, or nearby cheapo hotels.
1 You like it raunchy. (Many years ago there was a perimeter bar with st rooms. I'd been to the bar before, but didn't know about the room. The gal led me in and didn't close the door. Neither did I . Just a newbie. In the middle of fun, someone walks past the open door. She got up and closed the door. LOL. Later I realized anyone needing to use the toilet would walk right by that door. Yea raunchy sex is great.)
2 You have one of those late flights out of Clark and had to check out of your hotel. One for the road as some might say.
(I've done this several times on one of the later flights Clark to Cebu)
3 You like to play, but need to avoid unwanted publicity since the gf or wife might not be happy.
4 Your hotel or location or circumstances make it inconvenient to bring a gal back to your bed. (Clarkton was the farthest out I've ever stayed)
I'm probably missing a few other reasons.
Just a no-particular-reason update. I visited AC in mid-February and went to my regular A Santos blow-row bar. The bar next door was one of the ones raided, so they've closed their upstairs rooms. Not a huge problem: They just walk you down to the short-time hotel a couple blocks south. 200 pesos for the room, which adds about 30% to the cost, but the room, while still dingy, is light years better than the old upstairs closet.
I'm not sure how much being a somewhat long-term regular affected the transaction, that is, whether they would have been more circumspect in dealing with me if they did not know me. By the same token, the walk to the short-time would have been a lot scarier for me had I been a first-timer: It is dark and not the best part of town. Not that the young lady on my arm would have thrown herself onto a knife to protect me, but at least I was fairly confident I wasn't being led into a set-up of some sort.
WestCoast1
03-08-14, 14:16
Just a no-particular-reason update. I visited AC in mid-February and went to my regular A Santos blow-row bar. The bar next door was one of the ones raided, so they've closed their upstairs rooms. Not a huge problem: They just walk you down to the short-time hotel a couple blocks south. 200 pesos for the room, which adds about 30% to the cost, but the room, while still dingy, is light years better than the old upstairs closet.You have her for several hours. Why not take her to your hotel?
LukeSkywalker
03-09-14, 01:12
There are scams among AC bar girls, probably very frequently.
Last time I was in AC, I bar-fined a young good-looking light-skinned girl from Atlantis. She belonged to the most expensive tier in that bar and she knew she was hot.
I paid the bar fine, which was for all night, and walked with her back to the hotel. Before even reaching the hotel she was whining about having to meet her mom for something, and if I would mind to let her off after the first fuck etc. I knew there was going to be troubles. This girl is half-Chinese, thus her light-skin.
In the room, She was a total biitch from the start, pouting "... Don't do this, don't do that..." She kept whining about having to leave. She was just laying there huffing. I started penetrating her, when she claimed she was in pain. I pulled off, talking to her, promising a tip for her cooperation. She agreed. I put on more lube and reentered her just half way when she got all upset, pushing me off her, jumped off the bed, putting on clothes then left. I told her I would report her to her mommy and manager, but she did not give a shit. She left in a huff.
I went back to Atlantis and complained to her mamasan and the Australian manager. The dumb biitch was already back in the bar parading on the stage. The Australian manager told me I penetrated her so that was sex. Sex was done. He could not refund me. He would not address the all night issue. I was pissed off beyond belief. Apparently this rip off scheme happens a lot in AC and bar managers had worked out all arguments why they could not refund or punish the errant girls. This was on of the worst rip off that happened to me anywhere.
Fuck Atlantis. I heard it was raided recently and was closed down. I hope the cops and NGO's nail the asshole managers and mommies for [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and child prostitution. Also I pray all their ugly girls enjoy their long vacations with rotten food in prison.
The next bar fine was cooperating. She was willing to stay all night but her body was old and soft. So I let her go early to pursue younger girls.
It has been said many times that there are no scams from the bar girls. The scams are usually done by the free lancers but not all FL are scams according to some reports here. The BG might not deliver the promised long time action and go home early is the usual complaints. If you don't want to get caught up in some wallet wrenching scam then play it safe and hit the bars.
I have been tempted by some beautiful FL but do not want to chance it. Not worth the money to me.
There are scams among AC bar girls, probably very frequently.
Last time I was in AC, I bar-fined a young good-looking light-skinned girl from Atlantis. She belonged to the most expensive tier in that bar and she knew she was hot.
I paid the bar fine, which was for all night, and walked with her back to the hotel. Before even reaching the hotel she was whining about having to meet her mom for something, and if I would mind to let her off after the first fuck etc. I knew there was going to be troubles. This girl is half-Chinese, thus her light-skin.
In the room, She was a total biitch from the start, pouting ". Don't do this, don't do that." She kept whining about having to leave. She was just laying there huffing. I started penetrating her, when she claimed she was in pain. I pulled off, talking to her, promising a tip for her cooperation. She agreed. I put on more lube and reentered her just half way when she got all upset, pushing me off her, jumped off the bed, putting on clothes then left. I told her I would report her to her mommy and manager, but she did not give a shit. She left in a huff...Damn. I'm sorry to hear that man. I never did enjoy Atlantis and after this report, I don't think I'll ever do business with them again. You should also try to stay away from the higher tiered girls. From what I was told, the girls get to set their prices. When they make themselves expensive like that, they're trying to send a message. Usually, I don't want to go out for some stupid reason. I've even seen uglies in that top tier LOL.
YG
I was in there a couple weeks ago and keen of BF'ing the little lovely I was talking to. She was very up-front about it, saying she only went clubbing, not to hotels. Probably still gets the occasional BF (and probably a pretty high one) because of her looks or because punters hope for an exception. Still, remarkably honest.
Or maybe I am a lot more disgusting that I thought and that was her moaning in the room next to mine an hour later.
When I go to Blow-Row I'm looking for just that: A quick (well, sometimes not. I'm not getting any younger) , cheap BJ. If I want something more I'll go to Atlantis and get rejected again.
Actually, I'm not that much into the LT scene: I have trouble getting them to leave and they show back up at unexpected and often unfortunate times. I usually do it on my last night so some other punter gets the surprise knock on the door in mid-stroke.
One day around 11am I came out of my hotel, as I was waiting for the trike to pull up I noticed a beautiful girl waiting for the jeepney. She was going to Fields, I offered her a free ride with me as I was going to SM Mall. Turns out she worked at Atlantis and today was her day off. We agreed on the total bf of 3k to her and she would come over at 5:00pm for LT and exchanged cell numbers. She was such a beauty and I thought if she stayed until 11am then she was well worth it. About an hour later I received a passaload P5 text from her and answered yes. Over the next 2 hours I texted her a couple times to confirm our meeting and received no response. She scammed me for 5 pesos! LOL. Dumb B could have easily scammed me for 3k as my little head was doing all the thinking at the time. Now I don't have any proof she was an Atlantis girl but I did drop her at Atlantis front door.
Pip Jaeger
03-09-14, 03:13
there are scams among ac bar girls, probably very frequently.although the runner you had you could technically be called a scam, it's not what most posters here mean. when scam is mentioned they're usually referring to set-ups by the police, etc; like the **** scam, the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) scam, etc.
last time i was in ac, i bar-fined a young good-looking light-skinned girl from atlantis. she belonged to the most expensive tier in that bar and she knew she was hot.
i paid the bar fine, which was for all night, and walked with her back to the hotel. before even reaching the hotel she was whining about having to meet her mom for something, and if i would mind to let her off after the first fuck etc. i knew there was going to be troubles. this girl is half-chinese, thus her light-skin.did you interview her before you left the bar? ask her how long she could stay and what was on the menu? personally i would have turned around and marched her right back to the bar the moment she started whining about having to leave to meet her mom after the first pop. you certainly would have gotten a refund at that point. if you "knew there was going to be troubles" then why did you continue? sounds like the little head had taken control and all rational thought went out the window. i understand wanting to score a trophy, but there's plenty of them there to choose from. an expensive lesson for you, hope other punters can learn from it.
Pip Jaeger
03-09-14, 03:22
I was in there a couple weeks ago and keen of BF'ing the little lovely I was talking to. She was very up-front about it, saying she only went clubbing, not to hotels. Probably still gets the occasional BF (and probably a pretty high one) because of her looks or because punters hope for an exception. Still, remarkably honest.
Or maybe I am a lot more disgusting that I thought and that was her moaning in the room next to mine an hour later.Sounds to me like you did the right thing and talked to the girl first. And she knew that if there was no sex, then you would probably return her for a refund and she'd lose her commission. Atlantis has long had the reputation for runners and they seem to cater to the big spending Koreans and Japanese. Many of whom only like to take a girl out to have as arm candy to show off to their friends as they barhop or go clubbing; and many times they release the girl without having sex with them.
WestCoast1
03-09-14, 03:49
Did you interview her before you left the bar? Ask her how long she could stay and what was on the menu? Personally I would have turned around and marched her right back to the bar the moment she started whining about having to leave to meet her mom after the first pop. You certainly would have gotten a refund at that point. If you "knew there was going to be troubles" then why did you continue? Sounds like the little head had taken control and all rational thought went out the window. I understand wanting to score a trophy, but there's plenty of them there to choose from. An expensive lesson for you, hope other punters can learn from it.Yes. Each bar sets its own (fairly hidden) rules for refunds. Another justification for not refunding is time. Take the girl barhopping for a few hours and if she runs off, its hard to complain to the bar. The will feel justified in asking why you didn't take the girl to the hotel first.
Luke, post an unedited picture of the girl (clothed even) or her bar I-D.
FunKingBoy
03-09-14, 05:28
I had many runner experience from Dollhouse group bar girls at my previous AC trips, even after thorough interview before barfine. I did not have this problem from other bars from AC.
There are scams among AC bar girls, probably very frequently.
Last time I was in AC, I bar-fined a young good-looking light-skinned girl from Atlantis. She belonged to the most expensive tier in that bar and she knew she was hot.
I paid the bar fine, which was for all night, and walked with her back to the hotel. Before even reaching the hotel she was whining about having to meet her mom for something, and if I would mind to let her off after the first fuck etc. I knew there was going to be troubles. This girl is half-Chinese, thus her light-skin.
In the room, She was a total biitch from the start, pouting ". Don't do this, don't do that." She kept whining about having to leave. She was just laying there huffing. I started penetrating her, when she claimed she was in pain. I pulled off, talking to her, promising a tip for her cooperation. She agreed. I put on more lube and reentered her just half way when she got all upset, pushing me off her, jumped off the bed, putting on clothes then left...
Atlantis has long had the reputation for runners and they seem to cater to the big spending Koreans and Japanese. Many of whom only like to take a girl out to have as arm candy to show off to their friends as they barhop or go clubbing; and many times they release the girl without having sex with them.These losers kill the market. Paying a girl not to have sex with them? Only small cock dudes feel the need to show off a hookers to other mongers!
Mr Enternational
03-09-14, 06:06
Time and time again on ISG I see a member posting a foto and another member comments,"You went all the way to XYZ to fuck something like that?" or "I wouldn't fuck her if you paid ME." You guys have to realize that this works both ways. Just because you are paying doesn't necessarily mean a woman will be into you or able to tolerate you. She may be just TRYING to do it for the money. But no matter how much money, promises, or threats (eg. the promise of bigger tips, the going back to the bar to report her) she just can't bring herself to do it. So it's not always a matter of being a scam.
WestCoast1
03-09-14, 18:13
These losers kill the market. Paying a girl not to have sex with them? Only small cock dudes feel the need to show off a hookers to other mongers!A: Tried to PM you but your box is full.
I went to Cambodia club a few years ago, took the door girl home, and she turned into a starfish in the room. I marched her back and they gave me a refund. They asked me what happened, and I said 'she wouldn't perform'. I don't know why they didn't get mad at her for going with me, then not performing. Many girls in AC have said they didn't want to go with me for sex, and it was fine. The girls are immature etc. But the club should support the fact that girls need to agree to perform if they are to go with a guy.
What works best is to forget about going after the hotties, and instead waiting and seeing if any girls really like you. Then the girls will perform, but will give you the old line of 'my stomach hurts' etc. So they can go back to the club after just a few hours. I usually see the mammasan briefing the girl on how to do that before they leave the club. That is ok with me as long as she performs well the first time.
But the AC scammers that plan on taking money and not performing the first time are to eventually meet their match and get in trouble with a guy. There are some guys out there that aren't to take that BS.
WestCoast1
03-09-14, 18:19
Just because you are paying doesn't necessarily mean a woman will be into you or able to tolerate you. She may be just TRYING to do it for the money. But no matter how much money, promises, or threats (eg. the promise of bigger tips, the going back to the bar to report her) she just can't bring herself to do it. So it's not always a matter of being a scam.Its true, she might find herself unable to perform. However, this raises questions about the reliability of the system. She has an obligation to not go out of the bar, and she has a further obligation to tell the gent and go back to the bar with him for refund. However, corruption and fear are part of her world, and she will most likely do whatever she needs to do to avoid losing the barfine and avoid her mamasan's wrath.
WestCoast1
03-09-14, 18:22
I had many runner experience from Dollhouse group bar girls at my previous AC trips, even after thorough interview before barfine. I did not have this problem from other bars from AC.Thanks for the post. Tell us what remedy (if any) the bar offered on these occasions? How long were you with the runner?
Yes. Each bar sets its own (fairly hidden) rules for refunds. Another justification for not refunding is time. Take the girl barhopping for a few hours and if she runs off, its hard to complain to the bar. The will feel justified in asking why you didn't take the girl to the hotel first.
Luke, post an unedited picture of the girl (clothed even) or her bar I-D.I concur and that's what I usually do. I'm just stunned that the management at Atlantis had zero sympathy or empathy towards the customer for his situation. Next time, say you didn't even stick it in. I'm seriously never doing business at Atlantis again though. I just feel what they did was wrong with zero customer service.
I've had a runner at carousel once and the management gave me a full refund on the spot! Of course, I didn't even get passed first base with her but I was satisfied with the course of action.
YG
Mr Enternational
03-09-14, 20:00
However, corruption and fear are part of her world, and she will most likely do whatever she needs to do to avoid losing the barfine and avoid her mamasan's wrath.That's another reason I like freelancers. If they come with me that means they wanted to and not coerced due to reprecussions they may have faced. They will either jack up the price or just tell you straight up no, as has happened many times before.
Time and time again on ISG I see a member posting a foto and another member comments,"You went all the way to XYZ to fuck something like that?" or "I wouldn't fuck her if you paid ME." You guys have to realize that this works both ways. Just because you are paying doesn't necessarily mean a woman will be into you or able to tolerate you. She may be just TRYING to do it for the money. But no matter how much money, promises, or threats (eg. the promise of bigger tips, the going back to the bar to report her) she just can't bring herself to do it. So it's not always a matter of being a scam.I've experienced several bad barfines because the bargirl wimps out. In the big bars of AC iT is nearly impossible to get the top tier girls out of there if you're caucasian. I'm older but in good shape, generally I get a lot of smiles when I walk into a bar but in the Dollhouse etc. I get the invisible man treatment in many instances. Forget about LT out of these bars, just forget about it, you're dreaming. These (green tag) ladies are spoiled and they are prejudice. It is almost unbelievable this is allowed but it is,"in your face prejudice". She only goes w / Koreans, I only go w / Koreans, blah blah blah. It's always the best lookers that discriminate just because you're an American, no good pussy for you! WTF is all I can say!
In Cebu it is worse.
My advice is enjoy the show, invite a lady to sit w / you. If she does sit w / you, you have 2 decent options. 1. Buy her a drink and get busy w / your hands, enjoying every curve and bulge. Laugh and joke and feel up that little morsel, then repeat w / a new one. 2. Try and negotiate a barfine but you also have to be physical and have her kiss you (light DFK) right there. If she won't kiss you there she will probably be a dud in your room. That's what I've learned. Negotiate, time, type of sex, condom, no condom, and get physical in the bar.
As for the big bars that allow this discrimination (based on nationality) I think the owners are to blame for allowing this shit. Something should be done about it. I think the girls should have the freedon to decline any monger's barfine based on the individual monger and not on his nationality. The girls in these big bars that reject all cuacasians should be fired! IMO.
I'll be there in May, but it could be my last visit. Colombian women spoil me and I like being spoiled on my valuable time off. Cheers!
LukeSkywalker
03-09-14, 20:50
in the us, a scam means a quick cheating act for a relatively smaller amount of money.
to entrap someone with more serious charges like [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or child prostitution, it's usually more elaborate and called a sting.
i did buy her a drink and talked to her a while. after i decided to take her, i called the mamasan over and confirmed both with her and her mamasan about the length of time and the services involved. they both confirmed emphatically before i handed the mamasan my money.
she was whining as we walked and i did not like her attitude, but i never thought a major bar like atlantis would let the girls cheat its customers so blatantly.
later i talked to a few bros in ac. they confirmed that once your stick your dick into the girls, the bars consider you had sex, so they would not refund.
although the runner you had you could technically be called a scam, it's not what most posters here mean. when scam is mentioned they're usually referring to set-ups by the police, etc; like the **** scam, the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) scam, etc.
did you interview her before you left the bar? ask her how long she could stay and what was on the menu? personally i would have turned around and marched her right back to the bar the moment she started whining about having to leave to meet her mom after the first pop. you certainly would have gotten a refund at that point. if you "knew there was going to be troubles" then why did you continue? sounds like the little head had taken control and all rational thought went out the window. i understand wanting to score a trophy, but there's plenty of them there to choose from. an expensive lesson for you, hope other punters can learn from it.
LukeSkywalker
03-09-14, 21:06
Sorry I never had enough time with her to take any pics. I don't remember her bar Id.
She's a about 5'5, looks like a Chinese Han with typical broad Han face, light skinned, strong bone, good body proportions. She looks like a strong and healthy girl unlike the rest, and is the only light-skinned Chinese-looking girls in Atlantis.
If the bars won't refund for their girls running out from their customers, they broke the verbal contract and should not be trusted for any deals.
Apparently this happens often in AC. The girls I took in Manila are serious, even went above and beyond, about fulfilling their verbal contracts.
Yes. Each bar sets its own (fairly hidden) rules for refunds. Another justification for not refunding is time. Take the girl barhopping for a few hours and if she runs off, its hard to complain to the bar. The will feel justified in asking why you didn't take the girl to the hotel first.
Luke, post an unedited picture of the girl (clothed even) or her bar I-D.
Streetlooker
03-09-14, 21:10
I have often gone into the BIG bars with a girl I have already BFed. They offer a good atmosphere to party in like US strip joints eye candy only. I however never thought it to be a good idea to ever look for a BF in those bars do to the knowledge That I am white and I know the green card girls are for the Koreans, Malay or the Japanese. I have bought a few drinks for the girls in those bars and everyone of them seemed distant like they did not want to be seen sitting with me. Every time I have gone in also the best tables are always RESERVED for the Koreans. I get the feeling that those girls don't want there Regular Korean customers to walk in sit at their Reserved tables and see them sitting with others so they try not to. MONEY talks in this world. PERIOD!
LukeSkywalker
03-09-14, 21:15
If she cannot bring herself to do what she agreed to do with the guy, she broke her verbal contract and should go back to the bar management to work out resolution for full or partial refund.
If the bar refuses refund, it is an obvious scam. This scam only happened to me in AC. I think Atlantis' management is just a bunch of stupid, uncivilized people to let the girls scam their customers. Soon the words will spread and they will lose to their competition.
Let the bros be forewarned that some Atlantis girls may find excuses to run out on you, and the management will back their girls and refuse refunds. It may happen to you.
Check around and spend your money only at bars that you know for sure won't let their girls run out on clients.
Time and time again on ISG I see a member posting a foto and another member comments,"You went all the way to XYZ to fuck something like that?" or "I wouldn't fuck her if you paid ME." You guys have to realize that this works both ways. Just because you are paying doesn't necessarily mean a woman will be into you or able to tolerate you. She may be just TRYING to do it for the money. But no matter how much money, promises, or threats (eg. the promise of bigger tips, the going back to the bar to report her) she just can't bring herself to do it. So it's not always a matter of being a scam.
LukeSkywalker
03-09-14, 21:52
My sessions with girls from Mexico, and various countries in Central and South America, Argentina and Brazil, have shown every time, that the girls are very concerned that their clients get their climaxes. If not they will focus on trying to make the clients come. Some girls even check the amount of semen in the condoms to make sure the clients had big climaxes.
A few times I lost my erections mid way through due to various causes, too much alcohol etc. Some Latinas would take off the condom, perform BBBJ to recover the erections, and stick my bare dick into their pussies to make sure I come.
The scam by the Chinese-looking girl in Atlantis was very disturbing for me. After being rudely rejected for any refund by the manager and the mamasan, I will never spend any money in Atlantis again. With crude, ugly girls and bar management siding with their scamming girls, I would probably never come back to AC.
All my overnight dates in Manila worked out perfectly, very satisfying, even cheaper than AC bar fines. Manila is a much better destination for the bros.
As for the big bars that allow this discrimination (based on nationality) I think the owners are to blame for allowing this shit. Something should be done about it. I think the girls should have the freedon to decline any monger's barfine based on the individual monger and not on his nationality. The girls in these big bars that reject all cuacasians should be fired! IMO.
I'll be there in May, but it could be my last visit. Colombian women spoil me and I like being spoiled on my valuable time off. Cheers!
That I am white and I know the green card girls are for the Koreans, Malay or the Japanese. I have bought a few drinks for the girls in those bars and everyone of them seemed distant like they did not want to be seen sitting with me. Every time I have gone in also the best tables are always RESERVED for the Koreans.Is there not an American run place where Koreans, Malasiatics, and or Japanese are treated this way or else refused entry?
LukeSkywalker
03-09-14, 22:44
I am still pissed off at the Atlantis scam girl for running out on me and her management for screwing me up my ass with their rude refusal to refund.
So I went into Atlantis' website and patiently looked through pictures of all their girls.
I found the girl who scammed me. She's number 12 in this page "Goddess of Atlantis 2013:"
http://www.atlantis-ac.com/slide.php?tn=76_08_20_2011_fd&rn=76
Don't let this biitch run out on you and her Atlantis management screw you out of a refund. I am holding Atlantis' management responsible for acting like hoodlums and cheating me out of a proper refund.
Enjoy the pics and please share this info so other bros wont get fucked by these stupid low lifes in AC.
Sorry I never had enough time with her to take any pics. I don't remember her bar I'd.
She's a about 5'5, looks like a Chinese Han with typical broad Han face, light skinned, strong bone, good body proportions. She looks like a strong and healthy girl unlike the rest, and is the only light-skinned Chinese-looking girls in Atlantis.
If the bars won't refund for their girls running out from their customers, they broke the verbal contract and should not be trusted for any deals.
Apparently this happens often in AC. The girls I took in Manila are serious, even went above and beyond, about fulfilling their verbal contracts.
FruitNinja
03-10-14, 00:05
Luke,
Sucks you got scammed. I was in Atlantis last time in AC. You're right about the Koreans. The girls were very stuck up. Even the mama san was a *****. We came in a big group and only one of us pulled a girl and he said she was just ok. I tried to pica a few others but she was trying to tell me who to take. She actually said that "she only goes with Koreans." I had the same thing verified here in Tokyo. Real nice WG said they don't go with the white man because of big penises and they are aggressive. I had a similar occurrence in BKK with a Baccara girl. Get to the hotel and everything we talked about was different. No BBBJ, no fingering, no. I escorted her out the door. I didn't go back for the BF figuring it wasn't going to happen anyway. You win some you lose some. That's always been the game. First night here I struck out. Second night hit silver. I'll go dig some more silver tonight. I did find a freelance massage girl here in Tokyo. Real massage and hand release and she comes to you. But she's cute and will let me roam that Japanese body. My mind tells me it's different. My mind always tells me that but it takes instructions from a not too smart guy, my penis.
We can compare war stories in Mexico. .
Good job outing her out.
I am still pissed off at the Atlantis scam girl for running out on me and her management for screwing me up my ass with their rude refusal to refund.
So I went into Atlantis' website and patiently looked through pictures of all their girls.
I found the girl who scammed me. She's number 12 in this page "Goddess of Atlantis 2013:"
http://www.atlantis-ac.com/slide.php?tn=76_08_20_2011_fd&rn=76
Don't let this biitch run out on you and her Atlantis management screw you out of a refund. I am holding Atlantis' management responsible for acting like hoodlums and cheating me out of a proper refund.
Enjoy the pics and please share this info so other bros won't get fucked by these stupid low lifes in AC.
I am still pissed off at the Atlantis scam girl for running out on me and her management for screwing me up my ass with their rude refusal to refund.The whole Dollhouse Group (with maybe the exception of Pony Tails) is famous for this kind of obnoxious behavior. They aim at well-heeled tourists, mainly Asian, and they couldn't care less if they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off ordinary Western mongers like us. Sure they have some hot-looking girls but the attitudes are mercenary and the prices are getting outrageous.
Just for the record, the group includes Dollhouse, Atlantis, Tropix, Crystal Palace, Club Asia, and Pony Tails. Pony Tails is the only one I'm still willing to go to. Fewer Asians there, lower prices, and better attitudes, in line with the location up at Checkpoint rather than on the Fields strip.
ThatGuy865
03-10-14, 03:38
Luke.
You must not have gone to AC many times. As that has been the policy since the beginning. If you have sex with the girl 1 time. No matter what was promised. No refund. Now of course if you were friends w / the Bar Owner or an Expat who was a daily regular. It may be different. But the standard practice has always been. Once touched. The deal is done.
That is standard throughout AC. One pop is the bare minimum a girl must do. Anything above that has always been because the girls for the most part. Are genuine and keep their word. But there has always been usually one or two girls in every bar that commits this type of act. As the old guy in the Indiana Jones movie said."You chose poorly".
If you think about it though. Where and how could they enforce anything else. What if the girl said yes to 3 pops and anal. And she did 3 pops and say no to the anal. Do you get a refund then? . Partial? . And how much. No matter where they drew the line. Someone would say the girl promised more and didn't. They were scammed if not refunded.
So it was set at one pop.
I understand the anger. Its only going to get worst before it gets better though. There is nothing that can be done. You are hardly the 1st and most definitely not going to be the last. And as I said. There is usually one girl of this nature in EVERY bar.
In today's climate of bar raids for BF's and bars trying to do all they can to appear to NOT do Bar fines. I doubt many bars are going to openly give a refund for a "Bar fine" for any reason. Its an admission that would trigger a raid.
LukeSkywalker
03-10-14, 04:04
I did not know the same people in the Dollhouse Group own all those major clubs. Must be an organized crime syndicate.
Apparently a lot of bros had girls running out on them, at least for the last 4 or 5 years.
I never read about this problem in ISG or anywhere, so I was not prepared to deal with it. The rude denial, for even a partial refund, by the management at Club Atlantis was irresponsible and shockingly unscrupulous.
A bro suggested that the bros should take pictures of the girls and their bar ID numbers to use as leverage to make them perform to their promises. If they scam, just post their pics and spread the news in AC travel web sites. The girls are afraid of negative publicity and should be less likely to scam.
Any bros know of web sites like YELP to publicize scams and rip offs in Angeles City, please advise.
I had much better selection and services at lower prices in Manila. So I would never go to AC again.
The whole Dollhouse Group (with maybe the exception of Pony Tails) is famous for this kind of obnoxious behavior. They aim at well-heeled tourists, mainly Asian, and they couldn't care less if they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off ordinary Western mongers like us. Sure they have some hot-looking girls but the attitudes are mercenary and the prices are getting outrageous.
Just for the record, the group includes Dollhouse, Atlantis, Tropix, Crystal Palace, Club Asia, and Pony Tails. Pony Tails is the only one I'm still willing to go to. Fewer Asians there, lower prices, and better attitudes, in line with the location up at Checkpoint rather than on the Fields strip.
FunKingBoy
03-10-14, 04:08
I usually got Dollhouse group bar girl in my hotel room staying for an hour and then leaving after one pop. Not staying with me to next morning as they agreed.
Thanks for the post. Tell us what remedy (if any) the bar offered on these occasions? How long were you with the runner?
Mr Enternational
03-10-14, 04:12
They confirmed that once your stick your dick into the girls, the bars consider you had sex, so they would not refund.So why not say that you didn't stick your dick into the girl? If someone is cheating you, then you need to learn how to cheat them back.
Is there not an American run place where Koreans, Malasiatics, and or Japanese are treated this way or else refused entry?Yeah right. The only thing that an American run place would be concerned with is the color of the money, not the color of who is giving it.
I had much better selection and services at lower prices in Manila. So I would never go to AC again.Which places in Manila are you talking about? I have always found it to be much more expensive than AC.
FunKingBoy
03-10-14, 04:44
I had a runner once by another Atlantis girl Noemi, A1004.
I am still pissed off at the Atlantis scam girl for running out on me and her management for screwing me up my ass with their rude refusal to refund.
So I went into Atlantis' website and patiently looked through pictures of all their girls.
I found the girl who scammed me. She's number 12 in this page "Goddess of Atlantis 2013:"
http://www.atlantis-ac.com/slide.php?tn=76_08_20_2011_fd&rn=76
Don't let this biitch run out on you and her Atlantis management screw you out of a refund. I am holding Atlantis' management responsible for acting like hoodlums and cheating me out of a proper refund.
Enjoy the pics and please share this info so other bros won't get fucked by these stupid low lifes in AC.
LukeSkywalker
03-10-14, 05:07
I was in Club Atlantis one night. The club has a large stage with very good stage lighting which make their girls look good.
There were about 40 girls rotating on the stage and only 4 or 5 guys viewing. When there were a group of 3 Koreans entering the club, I could see the high excitement from the mamasans and the girls. The mamasans were scurrying showing the Korean guys to the table and ordering the waitresses to wait on them. The girls on stage were all looking at the guys with high expectation.
The Korean guys were buying a lot of balloons throwing them at the girls, creating a noisy scene.
The hotel guy took me on his motorbike to a few Korean and Japanese-exclusive clubs off Fields Ave. There were not too many girls and they were all older or plain-looking.
He took me to the supposedly most exclusive club catered to upper-echelon locals. It's in an alley off McArthur Blvd about 1 mile North of Field Ave. I arrived too early. The club did not get going until after 10 PM. There was no show, but I found the place surrounded with high walls and barbed wires, with a few security guards carrying Colt. 45s and assault rifles guarding the place. Damn it was creepy. I came back later just to check it out.
The club was like a large warehouse with high ceiling and a stage with crude lighting. There were about 50 tables where you have to order beers to see the show. The clients were almost all local Filipinos. I did not see any Westerner or Koreans / Japanese tourists. About 2 dozen tall, older but fairly good-looking, girls took turn walking on the stage. For 5000 pesos the guys were taking the girls to a room upstairs for an hour.
The waiters kept coming back urging me to select the girls as fewer were left in the selection. I think the girls were older and not as good-looking as those on Fields Ave. I did not like the high-pressure sales tactics. So I drank up the beers with the hotel guy then went back to Fields.
That local club was not as good as most clubs on Fields. They did have taller girls which must be desirable by local guys.
Enjoy your kinks in Japan.
Luke,
Sucks you got scammed. I was in Atlantis last time in AC. You're right about the Koreans. The girls were very stuck up. Even the mama san was a. We came in a big group and only one of us pulled a girl and he said she was just ok. I tried to pica a few others but she was trying to tell me who to take. She actually said that "she only goes with Koreans." I had the same thing verified here in Tokyo. Real nice WG said they don't go with the white man because of big penises and they are aggressive. I had a similar occurrence in BKK with a Baccara girl. Get to the hotel and everything we talked about was different. No BBBJ, no fingering, no. I escorted her out the door. I didn't go back for the BF figuring it wasn't going to happen anyway. You win some you lose some. That's always been the game. First night here I struck out. Second night hit silver. I'll go dig some more silver tonight. I did find a freelance massage girl here in Tokyo. Real massage and hand release and she comes to you. But she's cute and will let me roam that Japanese body. My mind tells me it's different. My mind always tells me that but it takes instructions from a not too smart guy, my penis.
We can compare war stories in Mexico. .
Good job outing her out.
LukeSkywalker
03-10-14, 06:49
The way the mamasan and the manager were talking, it was obvious to me that this kind of scam happens quite often, and the club was predisposed to side with the girls against the clients. No amount of effort or arguments would change the outcome.
The clubs would rather side with the hot girls, despite their scams, because they bring guys and revenues into the clubs everyday. On contrary, the bros only come in a few times a year at most.
So Management of the Dollhouse Group, and specifically Atlantis', condones the scams thereby enables and even encourages the girls to scam their customers. It is primary the clubs managements' faults to let scams happen.
I personally confirmed the offers are much better in Manila than AC. There are a few bros in the Manila thread who have far more experience in the Phil than I do. You should post the question in the Manila thread.
So why not say that you didn't stick your dick into the girl? If someone is cheating you, then you need to learn how to cheat them back.
Which places in Manila are you talking about? I have always found it to be much more expensive than AC.
BrainDrain
03-10-14, 08:59
I am still pissed off at the Atlantis scam girl for running out on me and her management for screwing me up my ass with their rude refusal to refund.
So I went into Atlantis' website and patiently looked through pictures of all their girls.
I found the girl who scammed me. She's number 12 in this page "Goddess of Atlantis 2013:"
http://www.atlantis-ac.com/slide.php?tn=76_08_20_2011_fd&rn=76
Don't let this biitch run out on you and her Atlantis management screw you out of a refund. I am holding Atlantis' management responsible for acting like hoodlums and cheating me out of a proper refund.
Enjoy the pics and please share this info so other bros won't get fucked by these stupid low lifes in AC.OK, so we get the idea. Can we move on now?
I really don't think ripoffs like this are rampant. Yes, they happen, no, they are not endemic.
The Koreans spend more money. I accept that and that's what I saw in Atlantis when I've been there. It's just not my place either.
With crude, ugly girls and bar management siding with their scamming girls, I would probably never come back to AC. All my overnight dates in Manila worked out perfectly, very satisfying, even cheaper than AC bar fines. Manila is a much better destination for the bros.Can confirm this. Spent my last 2 visits to PI in Manila without going to AC and I didn't miss AC at all. For my part it was slightly more expensive than AC but no hassle, no runners, no dramas and great bedroom olympics.
Unless any airline resumes direct flights from KL to Clark I won't return to AC either.
Member #4387
03-10-14, 13:16
Beeing just an outside observer (reading here) of the BF scene as I only 3 times (2 in BKK and one in Asian Entertainment in Manila) have visited places like that. I do like the FL scene (not streetwalkers) best but for phils Havana is great and datingsites as well. I don't blame you guys for not having fun or beeing as you called it "scammed" but why still continue to visit places like that? Frankly it beats me, hehe. Beeing a number of maby 1000 or so girls I have bumped into as a mongerer, lets say 997 have been FL's or regular girls the latest 7 years. I have never had one safety issue if my mind serves me right ex one BKK girl showed up to be a LB, hehe.
If I view this from bar owners point of view I would stick to japaneese, chineese and koreans as they are not as thight with money as some of you guys are (no pun intended but clearly haggling about price want give you good session no matter what, accept price or just walk to the next girl but haggeling can never do any good). As the world developes (phil slowly but still to some extent it does) be prepared to pay a tad more. Still extremely cheap as in my country you have to pay like 12000piso just to look at them tits in a strip joint. Why bother going here if it is to expensive. From a owners point of view the more they squeece from a customer the better. If numbers cashrich travellers from Japan, Korea and China is so high they don't even have to worry so much about repeat customers.
[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1541663]Can confirm this. Spent my last 2 visits to PI in Manila without going to AC and I didn't miss AC at all. QUOTE] Hi Eks. Gee guys last time I went to Angeles two years ago I had a great time. But mostly I got phone numbers from bar girls and dated DIAs. I'll be there again in June at Orchid Inn Resort and will give a report upon return. I can't wait!
I did not know the same people in the Dollhouse Group own all those major clubs. Must be an organized crime syndicate.No reason to get into that here. Suffice to say that these are not particularly nice people running the big show bars in AC, and so if you go, you want to behave yourself. Better yet, unless you really like that scene, just keep your distance from the whole thing.
I'd just as soon drop this subject too, but let's note that there are still plenty of well run bars in AC, with managers and mamasans who actually want to help customers have a good time and who will step up and try to make it right if you have a legitimate complaint. I have no problem with guys who prefer DIA or Blue-Book freelancers or even just ordinary streetwalkers, but I do believe that most of the smaller AC bars still offer a certain value for what you pay extra in drinks and barfines. That includes safety and some kind of recourse if things go wrong. Well, and sitting around in a comfortable friendly place with good music, drinking a cold beer and auditioning dozens of scantily clad young ladies at a time. There's a reason the small bar format continues to thrive in AC.
Soapy Smith
03-10-14, 18:56
i'd just as soon drop this subject too, but let's note that there are still plenty of well run bars in ac, with managers and mamasans who actually want to help customers have a good time and who will step up and try to make it right if you have a legitimate complaint. i have no problem with guys who prefer dia or blue-book freelancers or even just ordinary streetwalkers, but i do believe that most of the smaller ac bars still offer a certain value for what you pay extra in drinks and barfines. that includes safety and some kind of recourse if things go wrong. well, and sitting around in a comfortable friendly place with good music, drinking a cold beer and auditioning dozens of scantily clad young ladies at a time. there's a reason the small bar format continues to thrive in ac.thanks b for putting it all in perspective. i travel to the phils on business, although horizontal recreation is always calculated into the plans. my recreation has been exclusively in manila, and it has been all i could ask for. i do sometimes read the ac thread and regard ac as a potential one-time bucket list experience, but low on the list. from time to time newbies will post ridiculous open-ended questions here about where to go and where to stay. the questions seem ridiculous because the information is usually available for anybody willing to roll up sleeves and read the forum archives. still, i can appreciate that there is so much random information in this thread that it may seem overwhelming. fortunately, some individual mongers file field reports with details on named bars, types of service and barfine prices. unfortunately, bars close, ownership and names change, and other new bars open. so any report with names is a guideline at best.
allow me to offer an impressionistic summary based only on reading from this thread. i will suggest that there are five market "niches" in ac:
1. the big, expensive showbars, such as the dollhouse group, where some have had experiences like the one luke reported. barfines are perhaps 3000 pesos and above.
2. what betong refers to as the "smaller" ac bars, rep001tered in the fields and perimeter areas with takeout barfines ranging from 1500 pesos to low 2000s.
3. the "blow row" bars, such as found down some of the side streets (raymond, santos) , which have recently come under scrutiny from law enforcement over alleged **** girls. they previously offered small service rooms on premises, but some have replaced these with takeout only policy. barfines often less than 1000 pesos and quality of girls is often lower and uneven.
4. freelancers, who can be picked up around gathering spots, such as convenience stores, trike and jeepney stops, etc. some swear by them (mr. e?) , others think they're ****, addicts, con-artists, girls kicked out of other bars, and ladyboys. buyer beware, your mileage may vary. price is whatever you can negotiate.
5. girls procured from dia and other dating sites. some of these may be independent, and some may have a foot in one of the other four niches. services and prices depend on the monger's ability to negotiate and communicate online and at the initial meeting.
it is often implied that there is an additional niche of bars that cater primarily to filipinos, but they are not accessible to foreigners unless they have locals willing to escort them to these places. even then, they may not be welcomed in these bars.
seasoned ac mongers: please feel free to amend or tear my summary to shreds.
If I view this from bar owners point of view I would stick to japaneese, chineese and koreans as they are not as thight with money as some of you guys are (no pun intended but clearly haggling about price.Is this all completely due to nationality or ethnic? Or something else? A lot of the Asians in AC are from a different 'class' than the Americans. And in their home countries these Asians have already experienced the dregs of America, the military enlistees. So in Philippines of course they wouldn't want to associate with these poor type westerners based on class more than race. If that's the way they think the westerners are lowlife with no money or trying to exist on their little pensions. Just saying or wondering.
LukeSkywalker
03-10-14, 19:50
I arrived early at this local club off McArthur, so there were no clients around yet. The hotel guy walked with me to the entrance which is in the back of the building. In a back room, I found 5, 6 guys wearing black uniforms, a few carried AK-47s. 1 carried a M-16 and a few with COLT. 45 pistols on their hips.
The building was surrounded by high walls, painted black with barbed wires on top and spot lights all around, like a high-security prison. The main entrance is way in the back. You have to go through long corridors of high black walls to get to the entrance.
I thought the building design was very odd. But after seeing the drawings and pictures of Osama Bin Laden's compound, it dawned on me that this club was designed with death-trap corridors with high walls to defend against massive armed assaults. Anyone in those corridors will show up clearly on the black background, except the security guards who blend in with their black clothes from head to toes, and there is no escape from the high walls and barbed wires.
Noone can possibly run away or climb out of those high walls. 1 guy armed with an assault rife at the end of death corridor can easily hold off and shred to bits a couple dozens heavily armed intruders.
The guys who operate that local club must be heavily-armed organized crimes. I still have the creep remembering those black no-escape corridors and the nasty-looking thugs who lug their assault rifles.
He took me to the supposedly most exclusive club catered to upper-echelon locals. It's in an alley off McArthur Blvd about 1 mile North of Field Ave. I arrived too early. The club did not get going until after 10 PM. There was no show, but I found the place surrounded with high walls and barbed wires, with a few security guards carrying Colt. 45s and assault rifles guarding the place. Damn it was creepy. I came back later just to check it out.
You ever figure out why the Korean Asian places would do this?
BrainDrain
03-10-14, 23:24
4. freelancers, who can be picked up around gathering spots, such as convenience stores, trike and jeepney stops, etc. some swear by them (mr. e?) , others think they're ****, addicts, con-artists, girls kicked out of other bars, and ladyboys. buyer beware, your mileage may vary. price is whatever you can negotiate.
5. girls procured from dia and other dating sites. some of these may be independent, and some may have a foot in one of the other four niches. services and prices depend on the monger's ability to negotiate and communicate online and at the initial meeting.these are my two areas of expertise.
4. freelancers can be found everywhere in ac. also includes high society, skytrax.
5. agree that this category has a lot of cross over with the other categories. girls putting up profiles to promote their club, girls putting up profiles to find real life partners, profiles for fun. i have found good girls in this category whom will see me on each visit and then stay.
how about.
6. casual contacts? like the hotel receptionist? the airline check-in clerk etc
BrainDrain
03-10-14, 23:30
I arrived early at this local club off McArthur, so there were no clients around yet. The hotel guy walked with me to the entrance which is in the back of the building. In a back room, I found 5, 6 guys wearing black uniforms, a few carried AK-47s. 1 carried a M-16 and a few with COLT. 45 pistols on their hips.Considering the amount of weaponry I see going to the bank in Phils or to Sm Mall, is this all that much?
I just don't enjoy the 'asian' way of mongering. I do enjoy the way that AC has provided a western way of pick-up' mongering even if we could never fail.
I go out of my way not to interfere with the Phils world of big money.
BD
LukeSkywalker
03-11-14, 04:40
skip did a very good job summarizing the options in ac.
there are about 12 smaller bars on fields ave, like under 2000 sq ft with a stage and about a dozen girls dancing to the music. some of the girls are young and very good-looking. the bar fines are between 1500 to 2500 pesos. if you can make sure the management will make the girls stay all night, then these smaller bars are probably the best option.
when you are with any girls, you can ask them to bring their friends or relatives. the girls were always asking me if i wanted other girls.
one night i came back late about 2am. i talked to the young cop who hangs out at the trike parking at the west end of fields. he said he would bring young, pretty girls. he did bring a girl to my room later. i gave him a small tip. she was older and not very attractive. her prices were very low.
sm mall's food court is nice, clean, cool. it has the widest varieties of filipino foods and drinks and also a lot of young, good-looking girls, either selling or shopping. worth trying.
thanks b for putting it all in perspective. i travel to the phils on business, although horizontal recreation is always calculated into the plans. my recreation has been exclusively in manila, and it has been all i could ask for.
allow me to offer an impressionistic summary based only on reading from this thread. i will suggest that there are five market "niches" in ac:
1. the big, expensive showbars, such as the dollhouse group, where some have had experiences like the one luke reported. barfines are perhaps 3000 pesos and above.
2. what betong refers to as the "smaller" ac bars, rep001tered in the fields and perimeter areas with takeout barfines ranging from 1500 pesos to low 2000s.
rs. .
LukeSkywalker
03-11-14, 04:46
I have seen armed guards with pistols and shotguns, but this club has some heavy-duty assault weapons, like they anticipate war.
For one thing, the local hot shots would probably feel safer screwing young girls with serious protection.
Secondly, these shady and lucrative operations tend to draw serious competition, which may hire armed thugs to harass and disturb their business, hence the need for heavily-armed guards.
I think all clubs have to pay protection to police and organized crimes to stay in that business.
Considering the amount of weaponry I see going to the bank in Phils or to Sm Mall, is this all that much?
I just don't enjoy the 'asian' way of mongering. I do enjoy the way that AC has provided a western way of pick-up' mongering even if we could never fail.
I go out of my way not to interfere with the Phils world of big money.
BD
Streetlooker
03-11-14, 06:49
Is there not an American run place where Koreans, Malasiatics, and or Japanese are treated this way or else refused entry?I sure there is plenty of them. I am not unhappy with the way I get treated in the BIG Bars I accept it has something that just is the way it is. Just wanted to let other know that IF you expect the girls in the big bars to treat you fair and your white you might have a problem. Don't get mad just go to the mid sized bars they love you there
i enjoyed my 4-5 days in ac. had sex with 3-4 girls every day, and a lot of fun once i got into the groove. at first it was a bit overwhelming to walk into the bars. sometimes all the girls would clap. the waitresses and mamasans immediately started hustling me to sit down and buy a drink and chose a girl to buy a drink for. i was trying to treat the bars as serial fishbowls, and they were trying to resist this. but after a while i got a better feel for how to handle things.
i had just the same impression as others here of big places being geared towards asians, with some really pretty girls who are not very interested. las vegas right by orchid inn is a good example of this. damn there were some syts in there. and man were they arrogant and unfriendly. but once i understood why, it did not seem that bad. i can think of more unpleasant reasons for being cold-shouldered than being assumed to have a big dick and sexual prowess.
conversely, as pointed out by others below, in the small and medium sized places a fantastic time can be had. some of them are open in the middle of the day, and that's when i really had fun. lots of bored girls, not too tired, few or no other customers, not so pushy mamasans. my first perusal of the bars on my night night of arrival made the whole scene seem a bit inhumane, with humorless girls paraded on stage for hours in bikinis. but these daytime experiences showed me the warmer side of many bars. stroll in and there are 8-15 or so 19-25 year old girls fooling around, lying around doing their makeup, chatting etc. the atmosphere is totally relaxed. in some places the atmosphere between them was really good too, obviously good relationships with the mamasans. they could spontaneously sing a song in full choir formation or do a little dance performance, clearly enjoying themselves. sometimes a 30-something mamasan would fondle me, give me a little rub or something in a naturally cuddly way. nice.
i loved (often) being able to barfine any of the women in a bar, including waitresses and door women. a couple of the waitresses and door women i barfined were not the most dramatically beautiful, but voracious in bed.
most bars don't serve food, but some can order in from a nearby eatery. so i thought why waste my time eating alone in a restaurant when i can eat in the company of a harem of beautiful late teens and early twenties. i noticed the girls looked at my food hungrily, so i offered them some and before you could say "up to you" we had a party going. as someone noted somewhere else on the forum, feeding the girls is a really good idea. today i was in the bar "shiprecked" on the walking street section of fields avenue. only one other customer in the whole place. 3-4 girls pranced lovingly on me when i walk in. a mamasan massaging my hand. oh the difficulties of choosing. free market competition at its best. a 19 year old wins my attention (name withheld, sorry). she is bouncy, smiley, energetic, dirty-talking. not quite my thing, but she does it so well i can't resist. i see this is going to be good, so order a drink for me and one for her. then i find i am hungry, ask if she wants some."- no thanks. sure?. yes. ok." but one of the other girls says she would like some buffalo wings. so i order 10 (total cost 1 usd) and quite a lot of food for myself. while we are waiting for the food a nut vendor comes pushing his wares, so i get five small trays for the girls, which they gobble up (another dollar). when the real food comes they all happily partake. turns out jane is very hungry too. after all. in the end i give up most of my fish and chips and crab cakes to share with them too. afterwards the atmosphere is kicking. the girls are doing crazy fun dances on stage, blowing me kisses, coming by for a cuddle, fooling around. everybody is happier after a meal, and in addition these girls are poor and perhaps more importantly they are watching their weight. but once the food is there they eat it and it makes them feel good too. this is a daytime strategy for empty bars, at night with a big crowd and more focus on squeezing dollars out of clients it might still work to some extent, but not as sure a winner.
i had a nice experience with a cherry girl too. cute, shy but clearly interested. spent over an hour talking her into letting me barfine her, with a friendly and intelligent waitress as negotiator-facilitator-moral support for the girl. they were both shit scared i would take her virginity, but i promised and promised that i wouldn't and was very explicit about what i did want. perseverance prevailed and i had a lovely time with her: her first dfk, her first daty, her first bj, rimmed her to high heaven. she gave off so much sexual energy it felt like i was going to get radiation burn. i kept my promise, walked her all the way back to the bar. everybody was so relieved, and i felt like a hero. the waitress negotiator gave me a deep kiss and a never-ending, clinging hug. the barfine was their standard 2100 php.
in the little street alongside orchid inn there are 3-4 little bars. 2-3 of which had been closed in the recent raids discussed on the forum. while i was there at least two of them opened again. mostly not so attractive older women, but an attractive one in each bar. at only 800 php i couldn't resist and fucked two of them. they both turned out to be a bit floppy (though slim) mothers with pretty faces. not quite my thing, but friendly, nice people.
one of them told me about the raids. all the girls (her too) were taken away. it is called a "shelter" but it is actually a prison. only a few minutes on mobile phone per day permitted, and only on loudspeaker with a ward present. only one hour of visits per week, and under supervision. at first they get ok food (jollibees etc.) , then they are moved to a different detention centre and the food is crap. most importantly they are not allowed to leave. these who are supposedly ****d can be kept there for up to 1. 5 years. she told me about a friend of hers who is 21 and is single mother to two children. they insisted she is **** because she didn't have her wisdom teeth yet. so she is pent up there, unable to take care of her kids. they don't accept any documents proving age submitted by the girls themselves, only if the documents are brought by their close relatives (and not a lawyer or anybody else). for some girls this is no problem. for many others, whose relatives don't know how they make a living this creates incredible shaming pressure. and pressure to pay bribes. foreign organizations are involved. nobody uses the opportunity to teach them about condoms, offer to pay school fees so they can finish high school or help them get a different job. goddam fucking asshole hypocrites. she told me all of this on her own initiative, i dint even raise the topic. when i read about this in advance i thought it was ****s coming up with lame arguments, but now i know it is actually true. there probably are some girls who need to be saved, but these raids have nothing to do with that.
and as noted by many on the forum, many ac girls are very easy about going bareback. although i have slipped in the past, i believe that it is my responsibility as the better informed and older person in the relationship to avoid that, no matter how much i w o you l the enjoy it. i have sex with a lot of women. if i go around doing it bareback, i may get away lucky, or i may get hiv or something else, and then i am passing it on to 18-25 year olds who are consensual, but who do not understand the consequences of what they are doing because nobody has taught them. so essentially i would be taking significant risk of killing gorgeous, kind, loving, generous girls who are having beautiful, wild sex with me. i don't want to be doing that. and i think that if i did go bareback i would be providing the ultimate argument for feminists and the people pushing the raids. there is a strong consensus on no **** (usual under-18) girls on this forum. i support that because one has to draw the line somewhere. but there are some 16-17 year olds who can have a beautiful time with a nice guy who treats them well and come away from it quite ok emotionally and otherwise, but still we ban it. and at the same time, risking infecting 19 year old mothers with hiv is fully accepted? i don't mean to harass those of you who go bareback, just want to state my own perspective. i also appreciate those of you who are honest about what you do, because it increases transparency for all of us.
John Traveller
03-11-14, 20:44
Cucumber, thanks for posting. And your post shows that it's up to the visitor himself to have nice time here. It is what you make of it.
i enjoyed my 4-5 days in ac. had sex with 3-4 girls every day, and a lot of fun once i got into the groove. [snip]excellent informative, intelligent and entertaining post! congratulations!
this is in stark contrast to lukeskywalker's neverending ramblings about being scammed.
btw over in the china. dongguan thread, lukeskywalker has been running down ac as a hotbed of paedophilia. the following are 4 of his recent quotes.
(1) but i read there have been a few raids of bars and clubs in angeles city for trafficking young girls. i kept hearing of a lot of child prostitution in angeles city at obscenely young ages.
(2) in angeles city, i overheard offers for girls as young as 7, 8 at a few venues. looks like ****philia is rampant in ac.
(3) my factual reporting (actually already watered down a great deal) is meant to suggest that hanging out in angeles city amidst apparent rampant ****philia is inappropriate. i did mention a few times i would not return to ac due to its offerings of crude, ugly girls, bad food, low-brow entertainment, and the stigma of rampant child prostitution.
(4) i would not waste my time in angeles city because the girls and the whole town cater to the needs of low-brow customers with very poor taste. ac girls are mostly young country bumpkins. they are not pretty or good-looking, actually some of the crudest girls in asia. [snip] ac is literally a meat market. there is really not much refinements in girls, bars, food, drinks, entertainment, culture. guys are basically going to the boondocks to fuck crude, bad-looking girls cheap. i suspect ****philia is also ac's major attraction.
these are all extracts from lukeskywalker's actual posts. i leave you, as esteemed colleagues, to make up your own mind about the guy.
Excellent informative, intelligent and entertaining post! Congratulations!
This is in stark contrast to LukeSkyWalker's neverending ramblings about being scammed.
These are all extracts from LukeSkyWalker's actual posts. I leave you, as esteemed colleagues, to make up your own mind about the guy.Wow I was getting ready to post the same thing. You beat my fingers to it.
Robb
Skip did a very good job summarizing the options in AC.
There are about 12 smaller bars on Fields Ave, like under 2000 Sq Ft with a stage and about a dozen girls dancing to the music. Some of the girls are young and very good-looking. The bar fines are between 1500 to 2500 pesos. If you can make sure the management will make the girls stay all night, then these smaller bars are probably the best option.
When you are with any girls, you can ask them to bring their friends or relatives. The girls were always asking me if I wanted other girls.
One night I came back late about 2AM. I talked to the young cop who hangs out at the trike parking at the west end of Fields. He said he would bring young, pretty girls. He did bring a girl to my room later. I gave him a small tip. She was older and not very attractive. Her prices were very low.
SM mall's food court is nice, clean, cool. It has the widest varieties of Filipino foods and drinks and also a lot of young, good-looking girls, either selling or shopping. Worth trying.Why do you post stupid shit on an internet board? So you want to force a girl to stay with you all night? You make it sound like the girls are being forced. You also continue to post about young girls. WTF?
You really want us to believe all of your posts. Especially when you post you ask a young cop for a young girl and he delivered?
Most bars don't serve food, but some can order in from a nearby eatery. So I thought why waste my time eating alone in a restaurant when I can eat in the company of a harem of beautiful late teens and early twenties. I noticed the girls looked at my food hungrily, so I offered them some and before you could say "Up to you" we had a party going. As someone noted somewhere else on the forum, feeding the girls is a really good idea. Today I was in the bar "Shiprecked" on the walking street section of Fields Avenue. Only one other customer in the whole place. 3-4 girls pranced lovingly on me when I walk in. A mamasan massaging my hand. Oh the difficulties of choosing. Free market competition at its best. A 19 year old wins my attention (name withheld, sorry). She is bouncy, smiley, energetic, dirty-talking. Not quite my thing, but she does it so well I can't resist. I see this is going to be good, so order a drink for me and one for her. Then I find I am hungry, ask if she wants some."- No thanks. Sure?. Yes. Ok." But one of the other girls says she would like some buffalo wings. So I order 10 (total cost 1 USD) and quite a lot of food for myself. While we are waiting for the food a nut vendor comes pushing his wares, so I get five small trays for the girls, which they gobble up (another dollar). When the real food comes they all happily partake. Turns out Jane is very hungry too. After all. In the end I give up most of my fish and chips and crab cakes to share with them too. Afterwards the atmosphere is kicking. The girls are doing crazy fun dances on stage, blowing me kisses, coming by for a cuddle, fooling around. Everybody is happier after a meal, and in addition these girls are poor and perhaps more importantly they are watching their weight. But once the food is there they eat it and it makes them feel good too. This is a daytime strategy for empty bars, at night with a big crowd and more focus on squeezing dollars out of clients it might still work to some extent, but not as sure a winner.I have the same experience and it's also a nighttime strategy I think (I did not visit any bars in the daytime except for a few shorttime bars). A lot of the bars allow food vendors to come inside. At first I considered them as a pain in the ass but then I realized they might only allow this because of the girls' needs specifically. Since then I often buy the girls some food and most of the time it's very welcome indeed.
By the way: trip report coming up but not as good as yours I'm afraid.
7 years ago I have been to Angeles a few times but only for a couple of days and although I had some nice sessions with sweet and good looking girls I preferred Pattaya over Angeles. But recently I thought I give it a try again and so far I have not been disappointed. This time I'm staying a few weeks, which is always better than a few days of course. Still I don't know if I prefer Angeles over Pattaya now. Each place has its pros and cons.
It's certainly an improvement that they have partially closed Fields Av (Walking Street) for motorized vehicles. Now you can breath normally when bar hopping or sitting at Kokomos.
Something that has not improved unfortunately is the huge number of locals that try to sell you something, the trike drivers who want 100P and the beggars, especially the kids. A few of those fucking little fellows (maybe only 7 or 8 yo) even tried to get my wallet, something I did not experience 7 years ago. And today one of them blew some kind of berries to me using a small blowpipe when he failed to get my wallet. Those berries stick to your clothes and although they don't really make a sting it's very annoying. Anyway, you cannot really blame them as they grow up in dire circumstances. But I was about to strangle the little bastard, LOL.
Another thing that has changed is that almost all of the girls I had so for asked for a condom for FS. Back in 2007 only very few girls asked for that.
The first night I was here a 'Tequila Girl' (as she called herself; not a dancer but only trying to sell tequila to the customers) in the Nemesis bar was smiling at me and showed she was interested. There weren't that many customers so not much to do for her. She was quite stunning (I would rate her an 8. 5) and we had a nice chat. She said she's 27 and works in a supermarket in SM Mall as a cashier in the daytime. Being a Tequila Girl is only a side job for which she gets a whopping 90P a night.
I barfined her for 2500P and took her to my hotel. She said I was her first foreigner but I did not believe her because she was acting quite professionally. She also said she was 'not good in sex' (her own words) and she asked me how much time it normally takes me to cum and how many times I wanted to cum, LOL. So in a subtle way she was telling me she preferred a short time. Nevertheless once in my hotel she was not in a hurry at all, gave a decent enough BBBJ and an enjoyable missionary and doggy (nice meaty butt she had, yum!). Haven't seen her again unfortunately. Haven't seen any Tequila Girls at all anymore in Nemesis as a matter of fact. Maybe I should try to find her in that supermarket.
A few days later I barfined another girl from Nemesis. It was the night they were raided, in fact I barfined her only a few hours before the raid. When we were done she said she would go home. I certainly hope she did because if she went back to the bar it's possible that she was back in again right before the raid started. I haven't seen this girl either anymore so I could not ask her. She was definitely in her early twenties (she said 22).
Anyway, this girl was perfect. Definitely a 9 as far as I'm concerned. Very cute face and smile and a body that was close to perfection (if not 100% perfect). Lovely unshaven pussy. Nice personality, not arrogant at all but a little bit shy and sexually inexperienced. She really did her best to give me a nice BBBJ but she hardly succeeded and I did not want to spent too much time to teach her. She enjoyed DATY a lot, maybe a bit too much because when I entered her she was so damn wet that I hardly felt anything anymore. Well, maybe she just wasn't that tight. Nevertheless I enjoyed her thoroughly. Would love to do her again but as said before I haven't spotted her again. You should have asked her number you moron.
Took a 27 yo from Q Bar on another night. She was smiling a lot at me and was making very clear that she wanted to sit with me. So I honored her 'request' and from the start she was all over me, kissing and hugging, usually a good sign. She was just your typical Pinay, a girl next door type, maybe slightly above average.
Nice girl, also outside the bar, and we had a good session in my room. A bit hesitating at the start but during DATY she became really horny. She rode herself to an orgasm (or most likely more than one) on top of me with a very intense look on her face. I love it when they love it!
I have her number (I was not a moron this time) but I'm a bit reluctant to do her again because she drank too much beer to my taste. I don't drink much alcohol myself and I really hate it when they drink too much. I have had some very bad experiences in the past with girls that drank way too much.
Usually the girls do not drink alcohol during the sessions in my room. Even girls who drink quite a lot of alcohol in the bar prefer soft drinks or water once they are in my room. But maybe they only adapt to the guy they are with, I don't know.
I also barfined a cherry girl for the first time in my life. I can better not tell you the name of the bar since it's quite a small one and she might be the only virgin working there. To give a hint: the bar has a sinister name.
Between mostly average girls I noticed this skinny, flat chested but attractive girl with long legs. I invited her to sit with me and after we chatted for 20 minutes or so I asked her if she would like to come with me. She said she would certainly like that but she also 'confessed' at that point that she was a cherry girl. It didn't surprise me. For reasons I cannot explain it was already in the back of my mind that this could be a cherry girl. Maybe it was something in the way she acted or talked, I can't put my finger on it.
I asked her if she was willing to give me a BJ. Nope! OK, I expected that.
Then I asked her if she was willing to kiss. Sure! And can I lick your pussy? Yeah, no problem! OK lady, we've got a deal. Normally I hardly ever ask a girl for her service upfront. I only do that when I have my doubts for whatever reason. I have the feeling it spoils the relationship and atmosphere if you handle it like a business deal. I know it is a business deal in the end but it should not feel that way for the girls. It's just that in this case I didn't want to end up in bed with a starfish cherry girl that wouldn't allow me to touch her at all.
For a whopping 3000P she was 'mine', but I didn't mind. This girl was only 20 yo, sweet, intelligent and pretty. At least I thought she was pretty but as we all know the lightning (or lack of that) in a bar can be deceiving. So I'm always prepared that a girl is slightly disappointing in better lightning. So we walked outside and. OMFG. This girl is. Drop dead gorgeous! A solid 9. 5. And if she hadn't been flat chested a solid 9. 9. (I never give a 10, the perfect woman doesn't exist.)
She was a real sweetheart, I liked her very much. She enjoyed DATY a lot. She squeezed my head between her legs to 'force' me to continue, in the meantime hopping up and down that rock hard sweet little ass of hers. I don't think I was the first guy who DATY her but I wasn't number 100 for sure either. More likely number 3 or 4.
It was amazing how relaxed she was, apparently she felt at ease with me. The only time she 'panicked' (big word) a little bit was when I tried to put a finger in her pussy. She pulled away my hand immediately. Same thing when I approached her ass hole. She did allow me however to lick her there and again I got the feeling I wasn't the first one.
Later on she tried to give me a HJ but she was very unskilled so I stopped her.
I didn't expect she wanted to stay all night but to me surprise she did. Even when I told her we had to get up at 6 AM because I had the early flight to Bangkok. That was 1 AM so only 5 hours to go.
We didn't sleep very well and at 6:15 AM we both had half a banana for breakfast and she also ate some potato chips I still had lying around. I had planned to have breakfast at the airport.
Later I realized I should have taken her to Margarita Station that was within walking distance for a proper breakfast. Oh well.
But I do have her number!
To be continued.
Pip Jaeger
03-12-14, 07:13
I have the same experience and it's also a nighttime strategy I think (I did not visit any bars in the daytime except for a few shorttime bars). A lot of the bars allow food vendors to come inside. At first I considered them as a pain in the ass but then I realized they might only allow this because of the girls' needs specifically. Since then I often buy the girls some food and most of the time it's very welcome indeed.
Most bars don't serve food, but some can order in from a nearby eatery. So I thought why waste my time eating alone in a restaurant when I can eat in the company of a harem of beautiful late teens and early twenties. I noticed the girls looked at my food hungrily, so I offered them some and before you could say "Up to you" we had a party going. As someone noted somewhere else on the forum, feeding the girls is a really good idea.Daytime or nighttime, it doesn't really matter, but I mostly did it in the smaller bars and when they weren't too crowded. Another option, the one I mainly used, was to give a girl a couple hundred pesos and send her out to one of the street venders. They usually know where to go to get good BBQ and they would often come back with an armload of food (and they always brought change too, which I usually told them to keep). A little goodwill goes a long way and can certainly liven things up. There's something to said for having a bevy of girls clustered around, each vying for attention; especially if you let them feed you, LOL. But be warned, it can get messy; BBQ flavored pussy anyone? It's finger licking good; I think ya'll get you my drift (insert big grin).
Great report Cuke, thanks for taking the time to share your experience! Good to hear that ST bars on Raymond St have re-opened; they're probably being cautious about the girls they have there, but I'm sure some sweet and fresh ones will be there soon enough.
There's something going on at Angelwitch at the moment. When I was sitting there just 1.5 hour ago all of the girls suddenly disappeared backstage and didn't show up anymore.
After about 20 minutes most of the customers had left the place. When I asked a waitress where all the girls had gone she said (with a nervous smile) "I don't know". Guess she didn't want to tell me (lose of face?).
2 Days ago a girl at Pussycat Dolls which is nearby already said there was something going on at Angelwitch.
Is this all completely due to nationality or ethnic? Or something else? A lot of the Asians in AC are from a different 'class' than the Americans. And in their home countries these Asians have already experienced the dregs of America, the military enlistees. So in Philippines of course they wouldn't want to associate with these poor type westerners based on class more than race. If that's the way they think the westerners are lowlife with no money or trying to exist on their little pensions. Just saying or wondering.The answer is 'no'.
Some girls do not like to go out with white guy because of follow reasons.
First, they might afraid of the size of dick of white guy. Especially, who do no enjoy sex will feel it very painful.
Second, A girl who has only worked in Korean bar may not have slept with other than asian (pinay, korea, japanese). She may not ready for interracial sex.
But the percentage of this kind of girl is very small. I assume less than 5. The big bars operates like that on the other reason, 'Money'.
One interesting thing is that not every Asian is welcomed at those big bars. An individual visitor is treated as same way as a white guy no matter he is Korean, Japanese, or Chinese. Usually group tourist is welcomed and receive special treatment because.
Firstly, as we all know, they spend a lot of moeny. Throwing 20 pesos on the sky, excessive tips to waitresses, and huge amount of tip to girls as well. I do not think they are very rich guys. However, because they only stay in Angeles two or three nights, they do not care about the money and want to show off during their short stay. Even the tour guide make them use more money (= more comission) by persuading (more tip, better service) or threatening (do not make locals get angry because it can lead some accident. Just give them money as they ask). So even when the girl runs away, still she can get a good amount tip. What a sweet deal!
Secondly, they cannot speak English, which means they will not (cannot) complain.
The tour groups usually give a visit to big bars by following reasons:
First, tour guide leads them. They are not dare to venture to other bars by themselves. (communication problem)
Second, they do not have much time to spend on bar hopping and big bars provide large selection.
One more thing to consider. The attitude of girls are infectious. Once one girl starts to make easy money, she will share the information with other girls. (How to run away, how to get more tips, etc). And every girl in the bar start to act same way.
One example. Agasya was very popular among Asian guys because of the quality of girls. But, after while, it became very notorious with the frequent runaways and I think no one is visiting there anymore.
But, unfortunately, those girls can easily find other bars to work and spread the terrible attitude to other girls. This all started with the influx of Asian mongers who do not know the rule of game.
allow me to offer an impressionistic summary based only on reading from this thread. i will suggest that there are five market "niches" in ac:
1. the big, expensive showbars, such as the dollhouse group, where some have had experiences like the one luke reported. barfines are perhaps 3000 pesos and above.
2. what betong refers to as the "smaller" ac bars, rep001tered in the fields and perimeter areas with takeout barfines ranging from 1500 pesos to low 2000s...1. bar. the best angeles can offer. we all know very well. not to mention very much.
pros. pretty cheap compared to manila scene. large selection.
cons. the quality of bar / girl varies. you need to take some time until you find your type of girl.
2. jtv (julia, pink lady)
pros. best quality girls in angeles.
cons. no b / f.
3. korean / chinese ktv's (yacht club, don't tell mama, dukkubi, color 888)
who has experience in china will know about this kind of place very well. drinking and singing in the private room.
pros. very little chance of run aways.
cons. expensive (b / f 4000 + extra cost for alcohol, etc)
4. strip club (dunk shot)
pros. can see more exposed body of female than bar.
cons. no barfine.
5. local bar.
never tried.
6. disco club (skytrax, high society)
fishing place. you can find freelancer or bar girl who finished their work.
pros. cheap.
cons. scam by the girl. noisy place.
7. street girls (mostly near phillies)
pros. cheap.
cons. scam by the girl. can be lady boy.
8. online (dia and many many sites)
at any part of world, you can try internet in order to find a girl.
pros. you have a chance to meet a non-working girl. cheap.
cons. scam by the girl. do not trust the picture on the profile.
what else? that is the list of places where you can fined wgs. surely, you can find non-working girls at any place (malls, hotel front, street, etc) and that is not even worth to mention. i think the best way to enjoy angeles is mainly stick on the bars and try something else when you are tired of bar scene.
Pip Jaeger
03-13-14, 00:53
There's something going on at Angelwitch at the moment. When I was sitting there just 1. 5 hour ago all of the girls suddenly disappeared backstage and didn't show up anymore.
After about 20 minutes most of the customers had left the place. When I asked a waitress where all the girls had gone she said (with a nervous smile)"I don't know". Guess she didn't want to tell me (lose of face?).
2 Days ago a girl at Pussycat Dolls which is nearby already said there was something going on at Angelwitch.They got raided the other night, on the 8th I think. It was just a shakedown raid by the local PNP and they re-opened right away. Last night an undercover agent came in, or so they thought, so the mama had all the girls hide in the back / leave.
One interesting thing is that not every Asian is welcomed at those big bars. An individual visitor is treated as same way as a white guy no matter he is Korean, Japanese, or Chinese. Usually group tourist is welcomed and receive special treatment because.Thanks for the insight (s).
First of all many thanks to the members here. I have been able to navigate around easily, saved some money here and there and avoided some scams due to the posted information here.
What I don't understand is the talk about the "rules of the game", how the Koreans have ruined the market. 2 week millionaires who over pay and cause havoc in the market place? Are there Rules of the Game posted some where? Is there a poon price "index" like Dow Jones posted some where? How about a "tipping policy guide"? Should we appoint a Commissioner of Mongering like major sports leagues to straighten all this all?
I have been to AC many times and have never been affected by the above. I have RTFF before arrival and they have been most helpful in avoiding high priced Korean places, runners and possible scams. AC is AC. Trike transportation is what they have here. In other countries you ride an ffing elephant or camel to get laid. Trikes generally cost P100 to foreigners. I knew that by the reports before I came so I have no complaints about it. Champagne bf went to 2500 so I go to Lollipop now which is still 2000. Even at 2500 it is not a budget buster to us.
Thanks again ISG.
They got raided the other night, on the 8th I think. It was just a shakedown raid by the local PNP and they re-opened right away. Last night an undercover agent came in, or so they thought, so the mama had all the girls hide in the back / leave.As many of you already know, the president of US, Barack Obama is visiting Philippines on April. He will also drop by Clark and Subic possibly to discuss about US military base issue. This gives a good reason to local government for frequent raids. They can claim the need of cleaning up surrounding and collect large amount of money through those raid operations. I think everthing will return to normal after April.
ForceSteeler
03-14-14, 01:01
Hey guys just wanted to let you know, I'm live on the ground in Angeles City right now, I'm having a blast, This is the 3rd Time I'm in Angeles City.
I have been going every year since
2012, For you guys that have been in Angeles City before, Nothing has really change, except New Girls, Most of these girls last a few months, so theres always a fresh
New Batch of 18-19 Year old girls looking a hoping they can find a foreign husband. Right now I'm staying in the ABC Hotel, For you new guys thinking about going to
Angeles City, Make Sure you save up the extra money a stay in the ABC. 5 Star Hotel, Food and Service is excellent and its Very Clean (No roaches and bugs) like the other.
Hotel, Very well kept, and when you bar fine a girl and tell them you are staying in the ABC, The Girls Face light up like its Christmas. They never want to leave you have to.
Kindly ask them to go home.
Angeles City is still the best place for mongering, Especially when it comes to GFE. Its one of the last places on earth that has not been tainted with westerners.
Like DR, Brazil, Costa Rica, etc.
Anyways I will keep you guys posted, if you have any questions feel free to I'm me. I am here for 2 more weeks.
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Back in AC after ten days in the jungles and about the same number in Thailand. Against my better judgment (as mentioned, great eye candy, but often poor or problematic once in the room) , I pondered BF'ing a sweet young thing at Equus. Apparently the Gods of Barfine are looking out for me: Last time, at Atlantis, the girl was completely upfront about it: She only did bar-hopping on barfines, not boom-boom. This time was a little different. I tried to get the girl's attention on stage, but she sort of stared vacantly straight ahead. I did, though, get the waitress' attention in the process, and she brought over the little lovely (tiny, actually, and I was going to really scrutinize her I'd if this went forward). She then sat down beside her and I was flanked by another waitress on my non-BG side. No drink hustle that I had expected, though.
One explained to me that this was the girl's first night in the bar, so I joked that that was great! We had a lot in common! The waitress laughed. The BG sat staring straight ahead, apparently frozen in fear. My humor was lost on her. I introduced myself. She shook my hand, smiled briefly, and stared straight ahead. The other waitress coached her to say her name. She just parroted the waitress' words. The waitress then stage-prompted her to ask where I was from. This went on briefly until the other waitress explained to me that the girl spoke no English. None. Over the years I've noted a decline in the English skills of the girls here, and I just found rock bottom.
I felt pretty bad for her: First night, probably pretty nervous already, now she's sitting beside one of those foreigners with cocks the size of tree trunks who is obviously just dying to plant his into her private areas, ripping her apart. Okay, barfining was right out. But now I was stuck with someone who seemed too scared to even drink her drink. The waitresses were great – helping out as best they could, still not asking for drinks, but it was pretty awkward for all.
So it was time to speak in the universal language: Sex. Out came the phone and the flying squirrel sex video. There was much laughing. Things loosened up a lot, so it wasn't a total horror story. She eventually finished her drink and I tipped all three of them pretty heavily. Hopefully some Pinoy dude dropped in later and she found that the job wasn't totally scary.
Not an unattractive lineup there. Definitely a few keepers and very few retina-scarring uglies.
It wasn't a total bust: I ended up back at the short time hotel with my regular from blow-row, but the little darling gave me something new to fantasize about during the semen withdrawal. Still, I thought this was a place we came to to actually live out the fantasies!
Hit Ponytails this (Sunday) afternoon. Kind of an odd setup: They seem to have the 'A' team, featuring at least five I would consider barfining if the gods weren't against me, and about that same number of average or better dancers, mostly wearing thongs pulled halfway down their butt cracks. Damn that was hot! Then the, uh, other team went up. One slightly above average girl and maybe seven seriously deficient ones. One actually had rolls in her fat. Mercifully most of these wore full bottoms not pulled as far down, if at all. Amazing how long those sets lasted!
Again mocking the gods, I asked the waitress what the barfine or whatever they wanted to call it was. She said 2000 for the 'White Cards' and 1500 for the 'Orange Cards'. All the cards looked white to me, even Miss Rolly-Poley, so I can only assume that somewhere deep in the depths of the club they keep one or two with orange cards in case a really, really cheap customer shows up. They can't put them on stage because either the stage is not rated for that weight or they get tired of cleaning goat shit off of it.
Got to share a great experince I had recently in Angeles.
Went to Brown Sugar (had the most fun there) and got friendly with a waitress called Minda. She is 28, has 2 kids in Cavite and has worked at the bar since Jan.
Same old story, her man left her and now she is finding it hard to make ends meet so she went off to Angeles. She worked here as an 18 year old for 1.5 years and has not been back since (raising kids etc).
This is one hot MILF.
Normally I prefer the no kids. 18-20 yo pinays, (I mean there is a million to choose from) but the thrill of taking out Minda grew on me.
I got her number and I knew she was real when she acted so scared in giving it to me. (mamasan)
Told her to go to my hotel when she was done her shift, then I will really know if she is serious.
Sure enough 3:10am or so (along with a friend) there she was at the front desk. Friend immediately left.
Her rustiness showed.
She never talked money until all was said and done.
Got to love that feeling when the girl is into you.
Got the "marry me" line, etc.
Discard into recycle bin immediately.
Multiple pops and 1000p made her very happy.
Me too.
PussInThePants
03-17-14, 15:00
[i]I also barfined a cherry girl for the first time in my life. I can better not tell you the name of the bar since it's quite a small one and she might be the only virgin working there. To give a hint: the bar has a sinister name.
Between mostly average girls I noticed this skinny, flat chested but attractive girl with long legs. I invited her to sit with me and after we chatted for 20 minutes or so I asked her if she would like to come with me. She said she would certainly like that but she also 'confessed' at that point that she was a cherry girl. It didn't surprise me. For reasons I cannot explain it was already in the back of my mind that this could be a cherry girl. Maybe it was something in the way she acted or talked, I can't put my finger on it.
I asked her if she was willing to give me a BJ. Nope! OK, I expected that.
Then I asked her if she was willing to kiss. Sure! And can I lick your pussy? Yeah, no problem! OK lady, we've got a deal. Normally I hardly ever ask a girl for her service upfront. I only do that when I have my doubts for whatever reason. I have the feeling it spoils the relationship and atmosphere if you handle it like a business deal. I know it is a business deal in the end but it should not feel that way for the girls. It's just that in this case I didn't want to end up in bed with a starfish cherry girl that wouldn't allow me to touch her at all.
For a whopping 3000P she was 'mine', but I didn't mind. This girl was only 20 yo, sweet, intelligent and pretty. At least I thought she was pretty but as we all know the lightning (or lack of that) in a bar can be deceiving. So I'm always prepared that a girl is slightly disappointing in better lightning. So we walked outside and. OMFG. This girl is. Drop dead gorgeous! A solid 9.5. And if she hadn't been flat chested a solid 9. 9. (I never give a 10, the perfect woman doesn't exist.)
She was a real sweetheart, I liked her very much. She enjoyed DATY a lot. She squeezed my head between her legs to 'force' me to continue, in the meantime hopping up and down that rock hard sweet little ass of hers. I don't think I was the first guy who DATY her but I wasn't number 100 for sure either. More likely number 3 or 4.
It was amazing how relaxed she was, apparently she felt at ease with me. The only time she 'panicked' (big word) a little bit was when I tried to put a finger in her pussy. She pulled away my hand immediately. Same thing when I approached her ass hole. She did allow me however to lick her there and again I got the feeling I wasn't the first one.
Later on she tried to give me a HJ but she was very unskilled so I stopped her.
I didn't expect she wanted to stay all night but to me surprise she did. Even when I told her we had to get up at 6 AM because I had the early flight to Bangkok. That was 1 AM so only 5 hours to go.
We didn't sleep very well and at 6:15 AM we both had half a banana for breakfast and she also ate some potato chips I still had lying around. I had planned to have breakfast at the airport.
Later I realized I should have taken her to Margarita Station that was within walking distance for a proper breakfast. Oh well.
But I do have her number!
To be continued. [i]
Surprised that Cherry Girls allow you to give DATY. Anyways Glad you had fun
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Surprised that Cherry Girls allow you to give DATY. Anyways Glad you had funI have understood from some reports that some of them even give blow jobs and can be fucked in their ass. So it's worth to ask for her service if you stumble upon one! I guess you just have to be lucky and your YMMV!
By the way: a few days ago I asked her if she would like to come to my hotel for a few hours but she refused. She said I had to come to the bar if I wanted to see her. Bummer!
Quoted from another post a while back:
"My advice is enjoy the show, invite a lady to sit with you. If she does sit with you, you have 2 decent options. 1. Buy her a drink and get busy with your hands, enjoying every curve and bulge. Laugh and joke and feel up that little morsel, then repeat with a new one. 2. Try and negotiate a barfine but you also have to be physical and have her kiss you (light DFK) right there. If she won't kiss you there she will probably be a dud in your room. That's what I've learned. Negotiate, time, type of sex, condom, no condom, and get physical in the bar."
I agree and is exactly what I do. That is how I thoroughly enjoy those little bars. No pressure. If within 1 cigarette I don't like it, I grab my water bottle (first purchase is always water) and get the heck out of there.
But you left out which is (for me) one of the most important aspects. I never, repeat never pay the barfine.
Call me cheapie charlie what ever, but it is just so damn easy to get their number and have them come after their shift or the next day before work why the hell would I pay the bar fine?
You just have to be discrete about it, because they are scared shitless the mamasan will find out.
Will be in Angeles City end of April and my friends like to go to KTV's. Any recommendations for a decent upscale KTV and the pricing for the room and the girls?
it is just so damn easy to get their number and have them come after their shift or the next day before work why the hell would I pay the bar fine? You just have to be discrete about it, because they are scared shitless the mamasan will find out.Exactly. I rarely pay a bar fine unless I MUST have her RIGHT NOW. Yes, she will get fired if the mamasan finds out. But there are always other bars she can find work at.
Exactly. I rarely pay a bar fine unless I MUST have her RIGHT NOW. Yes, she will get fired if the mamasan finds out. But there are always other bars she can find work at.What a selfish attitude!
She will find it impossible to find work at another bar if she was sacked for defrauding owner of his share of the bar fine, which goes to paying rent, girls basic salary, electricity bills etc. If everyone did what you are proposing, there would be no bars, period!
Bull Dozer
03-25-14, 02:59
Cheap Charlie? No wonder many girls don't like westerners & rather go with Jap's & Koreans.
Any massage girls available, can anyone provide any leads in AC as I will be there from April 20-30th, or would like to hook up, please PM me, also need
Help as how to find or join DIA.
Thanks,
BD
Bull Dozer
03-25-14, 03:16
BF this beautiful tall Chinese looking girl LEA, she wanted to go bar hopping, Sky trax, dinner, agreed for all nighter, I spent over 1000PHP on her excluding bar fine of 2500, but when she got to the hotel she was too tired & did a quickie because her mother was waiting & left in about 20 minutes.
This happened in late January 2014. Too many scams like this with some girls, makes one wonder how to trust these Filipinas.
If everyone did what you are proposing, there would be no bars, period!Period?!? I reckon the owners of LA Cafe, Cafe Havana, etc. would disagree.
The advantage to the punter's paying the fine is that he's allowed to remove the girl from her place of employment prior to the end of her shift. To many that's worth several hundred pesos. I wouldn't consider those who prefer to wait until 3am "selfish". Patient of course. And since most, if not all, of the desirable girls are long gone before shift's end... foolhardy.
If I owned a bar I'd have more flexible barfine policy, cutting my take of the action 25% 3 hours prior to shift's end and reducing it further as the end approached. What she does during her free hours is none of my concern. Of course if she failed to meet the bar's sales figures she'd face a consequence.
As many of you already know, the president of US, Barack Obama is visiting Philippines on April. He will also drop by Clark and Subic possibly to discuss about US military base issue. This gives a good reason to local government for frequent raids. They can claim the need of cleaning up surrounding and collect large amount of money through those raid operations. I think everthing will return to normal after April.Dude, this has NOTHING to do with Obama, it's just a raid prior to Easter, and the cops want some money, and if they can hold a few dozen girls in jail they have free pussy to boot.
I always find it to be very difficult to find out a good restaurant in Angeles. It do not need to be ultimately delicious. Just want to have a steak of okay taste with reasonable price. Can someone recommend a steak house around Fields with price range of 500 700 pesos?
Fast Eddie 48
03-25-14, 22:14
BF this beautiful tall Chinese looking girl LEA, she wanted to go bar hopping, Sky trax, dinner, agreed for all nighter, I spent over 1000PHP on her excluding bar fine of 2500, but when she got to the hotel she was too tired & did a quickie because her mother was waiting & left in about 20 minutes.
This happened in late January 2014. Too many scams like this with some girls, makes one wonder how to trust these Filipinas.To Bull Dozer.
If she agree all night ahead of time call the Manager over and made her agree in front of him before you paid, I have done this many time and let her know if you are going to leave early you will go back to the bar and get half the barfine back, I have done this at Brown sugar and other bar before and got back 1000 peso half the barfined if no one do anything this girl will try to do this every time, make sure you talk to the owner or manger not the Mamasan because they don't care.
Fast Eddie 48
Good advice from Fast Eddie. I had this occur at Brown Sugar in the past and took it up with the Mamasan. Got some money back. She went and got it from the girl directly and I certainly never saw her again there on subsequent visits.
To Bull Dozer.
If she agree all night ahead of time call the Manager over and made her agree in front of him before you paid, I have done this many time and let her know if you are going to leave early you will go back to the bar and get half the barfine back, I have done this at Brown sugar and other bar before and got back 1000 peso half the barfined if no one do anything this girl will try to do this every time, make sure you talk to the owner or manger not the Mamasan because they don't care.
Fast Eddie 48
I always find it to be very difficult to find out a good restaurant in Angeles. It do not need to be ultimately delicious. Just want to have a steak of okay taste with reasonable price. Can someone recommend a steak house around Fields with price range of 500 700 pesos?I had a decent steak at the new Bretto's Prestige restaurant for P610. They are located on ground floor of Tune Hotel. They do have an American steak at a much higher price.
Capt Munch
03-26-14, 09:00
I always find it to be very difficult to find out a good restaurant in Angeles. It do not need to be ultimately delicious. Just want to have a steak of okay taste with reasonable price. Can someone recommend a steak house around Fields with price range of 500 700 pesos?1. Swiss Chalet.
If you are around Fields, the Swiss Chalet located next to the new Penthouse Hotel has been around for a while. The steaks / filets should likely be Australian beef (maybe) and the T-bone comes in at around 500 php. The other cuts are a little higher as I recall.
2. Otto's Restaurant (New Amsterdam Hotel)
They have a Beef filet and possibly some other choices. A bit more expensive at roughly 1000 php. I have not had the beef but the few items that I have had have been very good. The kitchen seems to be well run.
3. The Hang Out. On Fields
They have a meat case out front, stocked by the Australian gentleman that is running a butcher shop in Hensonville. This is imported Australian beef. Supposedly the Hang Out will cook your selection to order. I have no idea what their prices might be. I did have one of the steaks from the butcher shop when it still had a restaurant on the premises and it was one of the best steaks that I have had here in Angeles.
4. Already mentioned is Bretto's / Bretto's Prestige out on the perimeter.
5. The Clarkton Hotel has a very decent restaurant. I like to eat there but my choice is always their Beef Stroganoff which I feel they do well. The menu generally leans toward German cuisine. They have a decent selection. I have no idea whether they have a steak there. Just mentioned here since it is a nice restaurant.
6. It seems the new Penthouse Hotel has a decent kitchen. I have only eaten there once, We went to the pool area on the roof and enjoyed a meal under lights and with a nice view from the roof above 10th floor. You would have to check what their menu is like.
A few choices. Maybe that helps
The Swiss Chalet should meet your criteria.
Munch
Just want to have a steak of okay taste with reasonable price. Can someone recommend a steak house around Fields with price range of 500 700 pesos?Groundfloor of Hotel Amsterdam, there is a steak house if I remember correctly.
Capt Munch
03-27-14, 03:21
Groundfloor of Hotel Amsterdam, there is a steak house if I remember correctly.Ekspat,
That was the Black Angus Steak House that was previously at the Royal Amsterdam Hotel.
That has since been replaced by Otto's Restaurant and a steak can be had there.
Things keep changing here. Sometimes for the better but not always.
Munch
BrainDrain
03-27-14, 05:37
Last week had an enjoyable couple of days in Angeles City.
Arranged for a Manila gf from a previous visit to meet me at Manila airport for the road trip to AC. This provided some company and conversation for the 120 minutes trip. It also had the advantage of an immediate lay as soon as we arrived at ABC Hotel.
We had dinner that night at a Korean resto, more sex and next morning she was on her way early to be back at her office job in Manila. Total damage was P500 for her bus trip home plus dinner. More GF though and she's getting a little klingy. Didn't see her again this trip.
Picked up some generic viagra from a 'generics pharmacy' located near ABC Hotel. 4 x 50mg tabs for P300. Equivalent tabs here in Australia cost P2, 700,
That afternoon invited another gf from a previous trip to meet me straight after work. All good, into the room and enjoyed some action. She also had to leave to her legitimate evening job at a call centre at Clark and she was gone by 6pm, leaving me again free. Spent a little time at Jollibee, cruised some of the bars. At 7-7:30pm it really was too early for any decent bar offers. Good girls were asking P3000 for short time, hoping they can get back for a second job the same night. I visited Club Asia & Voodoo, enjoyed a ladies drink, a nice chat, a fondle and that was about. Dropped by the Rodeo Bar were Bf is now P1, 500. Still early there and they were also asking short time.
In the end, I used some digits of a good performer from a previous visit. She offered to bring a friend for the night, two girls, long time for P4k all up. I picked up some cruisers from the local Ministop, we enjoyed a few drinks upon the girls arriving and pretty soon it was all action. I think this private party is a good option, easily replicable. Didn't leep too much that night as the girls like to keep and contact, even in the king sized ABC beds. Next morning both girls were up for another round and of course, it's only fair that they should both get what the wanted. The girls even ironed my clothes which was a good value add.
Pretty exhausted the next day, rang a few other digits but didn't pull off the same things. Ended up visiting Tao, Rodeo (Again) and Insomnia. Met a nice girl at Insomnia and she remembered me by name from a previous visit. As much as I think I might be anonymous in a crowded busy place like AC with so many working girls, the girls do talk, they do meet lots of people and it seems they do remember the nice ones more than we sometimes give them credit.
As it turned out this girl had to go to her health check at 9am next morning so I missed out on my morning shot, or so I thought.
Sitting at breakfast by the ABC pool a girl walked past 'heading home' whom had also gave me a little conversation in the lift the day before. I offered her to join me for breakfast which she took up. Turns out she wasn't a working girl as such but a local personal assistant helping people do business in AC. I suggested she could help me iron some clothes. Soon she was in the room and things hotted up from there. Pretty funny little occurrence but very enjoyable. Gave her P700 for her time, which was about an hour. She said she came nice, so that was also a bonus for her. The take for the girls from a BF is about P1000, so I think P700 was reasonable.
All of the times getting around I used the ABC hotel shuttle to ferry girls home. They like that and sets the standard.
In the two days I was in town, managed to bed 6 girls, didn't sleep much.
BD
BrainDrain
03-28-14, 15:00
Last week had an enjoyable couple of days in Angeles City.
Arranged for a Manila gf from a previous visit to meet me at Manila airport for the road trip to AC. This provided some company and conversation for the 120 minutes trip. It also had the advantage of an immediate lay as soon as we arrived at ABC Hotel.
We had dinner that night at a Korean resto, more sex and next morning she was on her way early to be back at her office job in Manila. Total damage was P500 for her bus trip home plus dinner. More GF though and she's getting a little klingy. Didn't see her again this trip.Apparently I may have misled the forum with this post. As I said, my Manila gf came with me, but I failed to say she receives regular cash from me via Western Union in between visits as well as seed money for her multi-level marketing biz. Oh, and I gave her a new Android dual sim phone. And the P500 for the bus.
Astute readers might also note that all but one of these girls are repeat visitors since May last year, so I must be considered reasonably generous.
I love this forum.
Hi guys, I'm asking for advice about what to do on my vacation in the Philippines. Now I'm also thinking about visiting Angeles for the 1st time. I have 3 weeks and I'm 1st flying to BKK and I was thinking staying maybe 2-3 days in BKK and 4-5 in Pattaya. Then heading to Philippines for 1-2 weeks and then maybe to Bali for 4 days or one week. But maybe this is too much traveling for 3 week vacation not sure. I have been in Manila 3 times, in Cebu and Bohol once. Now I have been thinking about my options. I could stay one week in Manila, but it doesn't make sense (nothing there except traffic, pollution, shopping and clubbing). Of RLDs there I have only seen P. Burgos, which is not that special. I have one gf in Manila, but she doesn't know her schedules and is working all the time almost (this is the problem with "good" girls) plus I only met her there 2 months ago (no sex so far etc. But I'd like to get to know her more). But she is busy and I need to go look for pussy elsewhere I think. That would make it better to leave Manila so she won't find out about my other girls. So I'm thinking flying to Clark from BKK for 2-4 days and then go see her in Manila for a few days before heading to Bali, Indonesia (there I also have one "good" busy girl and can't count on having sex with her so I don't want commit too many days to Bali, which IMO is not a good mongering destination).
How many days do you recommend AC for staying? If at all? I want 2 ST girls a day (unless I get hooked up on a girl for too long). Or should I skip Pattaya cause I have already seen it (3-4 times). OR skip Indonesia and only concentrate on BKK, Pattaya, Manila and (AC). So difficult choices. I was also thinking about Boracay (but in May maybe full of tourists and alone it might not be a good idea, I don't know about the girls there).
Of course nobody knows. I just have to make a decision (and soon).
Bull Dozer
03-29-14, 06:16
Pekkakoo,
You seem to have a lot of questions, but seem to have all the answers also. Make up your mind & go for it my man.
Hi guys, I'm asking for advice about what to do on my vacation in the Philippines. Now I'm also thinking about visiting Angeles for the 1st time. I have 3 weeks and I'm 1st flying to BKK and I was thinking staying maybe 2-3 days in BKK and 4-5 in Pattaya. Then heading to Philippines for 1-2 weeks and then maybe to Bali for 4 days or one week. But maybe this is too much traveling for 3 week vacation not sure. I have been in Manila 3 times, in Cebu and Bohol once. Now I have been thinking about my options. I could stay one week in Manila, but it doesn't make sense (nothing there except traffic, pollution, shopping and clubbing). Of RLDs there I have only seen P. Burgos, which is not that special. I have one gf in Manila, but she doesn't know her schedules and is working all the time almost (this is the problem with "good" girls) plus I only met her there 2 months ago (no sex so far etc. But I'd like to get to know her more). But she is busy and I need to go look for pussy elsewhere I think. That would make it better to leave Manila so she won't find out about my other girls. So I'm thinking flying to Clark from BKK for 2-4 days and then go see her in Manila for a few days before heading to Bali, Indonesia (there I also have one "good" busy girl and can't count on having sex with her so I don't want commit too many days to Bali, which IMO is not a good mongering destination).
How many days do you recommend AC for staying? If at all? I want 2 ST girls a day (unless I get hooked up on a girl for too long). Or should I skip Pattaya cause I have already seen it (3-4 times). OR skip Indonesia and only concentrate on BKK, Pattaya, Manila and (AC). So difficult choices. I was also thinking about Boracay (but in May maybe full of tourists and alone it might not be a good idea, I don't know about the girls there).
Of course nobody knows. I just have to make a decision (and soon).
Hi guys, I'm asking for advice about what to do on my vacation in the Philippines. Now I'm also thinking about visiting Angeles for the 1st time. I have 3 weeks and I'm 1st flying to BKK and I was thinking staying maybe 2-3 days in BKK and 4-5 in Pattaya. Then heading to Philippines for 1-2 weeks and then maybe to Bali for 4 days or one week. But maybe this is too much traveling for 3 week vacation not sure. I have been in Manila 3 times, in Cebu and Bohol once. Now I have been thinking about my options. I could stay one week in Manila, but it doesn't make sense (nothing there except traffic, pollution, shopping and clubbing). Of RLDs there I have only seen P. Burgos, which is not that special. I have one gf in Manila, but she doesn't know her schedules and is working all the time almost (this is the problem with "good" girls) plus I only met her there 2 months ago (no sex so far etc. But I'd like to get to know her more). But she is busy and I need to go look for pussy elsewhere I think. That would make it better to leave Manila so she won't find out about my other girls. So I'm thinking flying to Clark from BKK for 2-4 days and then go see her in Manila for a few days before heading to Bali, Indonesia (there I also have one "good" busy girl and can't count on having sex with her so I don't want commit too many days to Bali, which IMO is not a good mongering destination).
How many days do you recommend AC for staying? If at all? I want 2 ST girls a day (unless I get hooked up on a girl for too long). Or should I skip Pattaya cause I have already seen it (3-4 times). OR skip Indonesia and only concentrate on BKK, Pattaya, Manila and (AC). So difficult choices. I was also thinking about Boracay (but in May maybe full of tourists and alone it might not be a good idea, I don't know about the girls there).
Of course nobody knows. I just have to make a decision (and soon).What was the question? Looks like you got your own answer! I would say to stay home. Doesn't seem like you have a purpose for the trip.
World Jockey
03-29-14, 07:17
Ok fellas here here is my first report as a newbie to AC.
I love AC.
Ok jokes aside its details time. I will be sharing accounts from my wingman as he is not on the forum.
My wingman "Sam" and I arrived in Manila from BKK.
He had been before but it was over a decade and when he was there he had someone guiding him. This meant I had to get my duck in a row beforehand. From reading various forums and what he remembered AC was the place to be and not Manila.
Once we landed I quickly secured a cab. The kid said he could take us to AC for the low low price of 3000 pesos. However what he didn't know was I RTFF and knew that I could catch a bus to AC from swag mans for a fraction of the cost. So off to swagman we went. The last bust to AC was at 8:30pm. We landed like 6:30.
Not knowing the traffic situation we didn't dick around much. We got to swaggy with an hour to spare and ordered some food. It could have ben a personal, cultural, tired or whatever but the waitresses were blah in attitude. The food was just OK.
When the shuttle came everything went smoothly. We gave them our ticket and off we went. Luckily for us there were three rows on the shuttle. An Aussie dude with his GF, my wing man, and I each took a row and got some Zzzs on the way up.
Now being my first trip to AC I didn't k now the lay of the land or what the hotel situation was like. I was able to find a girl friendly hotel online called Kokomos. I saw that they only had a few rooms left and booked two nights. I didn't know how available rooms were in the city and last thing I wanted was for us to be walking around 11pm looking for a room.
When we got there the driver dropped us off and said your hotel is down there. I said can ya drop us any closer? He said no its on Walking street. I didn't even know AC had a walking street. This was by far the worst part of the trip. There we were walking down the middle of the strip at night with our rolling suitcases with what seemed like everyone in the world staring at us. My wingman and I are pretty low key guys and we could have just curled up and died.
The 5 min walk seemed like an eternity.
Eventually we made it to the hotel and check in with no issue. The rooms were decent enough and the hotel itself was nice however we absolutely hated the location. Even out and about without our bags the place is just too front and center for us. I know some guys may like it for the location; which is fine but it wasn't our cup of tea. From the bar downstairs with everyone watching everything to the busy "lobby" and walking street itself. We stayed for the time we booked and quickly found another place (more on that later).
First night we took everything in. A few hours into the night we met a group of girls and hooked up with them. Come to find out they were more semi pro than pro. My wingman had a good time with the girl he was with. Damage 800 pesos. I seemed to have a better time with my girl. Multiple sessions the whole night and she stayed over till like 11 am. Damage 700 pesos. She didn't ask for it either. She was just having a good time. I gave it to her to get a taxi, lunch. Whatever.
For the rest of my time in AC I was only spent a short time with one other girl. And that was only to take one for the team. The rest of the time I was with my GFE regular chick. Every night she found her way into my bed till morning. We did karaoke, and clubbed together. For my first visit to AC she really left me with a nice taste in my mouth (pun intended). To be totally honest the girl that was pushed on me was not bad either. I had a GFE with her also however she no doubt was a professional. Sam bar fined her friend from a gogo bar at closing time so she didn't want to be left alone. This is how I ended up with her.
So after a couple days at Kokomos we went in search of a more suitable abode. We eventually found a nice place off of fields ave called Lorietta's Apartelle. We nicknamed in mean green because of the decor. It was perfect and we couldn't ask for more. Just one or two people behind the counter. Off the main road on a quiet street, tons of locals, wifi, a fridge. Everything we wanted.
One night we were on Fields and a couple of girls were flirting with us from the street. Now both Sam and I prefer freelancers to girls with a middle men. However my issue with them is that they looked young. They showed ID. But I wanted no part of them. My wingman had a difference of opinion and decided to bring them back to the hotel. The three of them went in his room and I decided to opt out and wait at a bar for my regular to finish partying. While at the bar for about 30 min I see one of the girls Sam took walk by. I asked her what happened? She said he kicked two of them out and kept one. LOL I just had to laugh. Later on he filled me in and said it was just ridiculous with all three of them. He had to changed condoms every 5 min so he gave them each 100 pesos and sent them on their way. After he finished; the one he kept said she had a cousin that was looking for cash and could deliver her to his room in the AM. He agreed and the next morning he hooked up with the cousin also.
Another place we liked on walking street was a club called high society. It was basically a regular club but had many girls in it. Only once did I go without company and got a fair amount of attention. Hell even with a girl on my arm some other ladies didn't care. The only word of caution I would say about this place is observe before you approach A woman here. Not all of them are working, some are already spoken for. Like anywhere just use common sense and see whats going on before ya jump the gun.
All in all I really liked AC. Having been thru latin america, and some of SE Asia I would say it beats out most other places for a number of reasons.
1 the girls there mostly seem to be in their lower to mid 20s and petite 2. There seems to be a higher ratio of semi pro girls 3. Its cheap. The girls seemed to be happy with 1000 pesos ($23) or less. Given the GFE I would have gladly paid twice that. Food and hotel was cheap also.
4 the ambiance was cool. Aside from a few aggressive hawkers I had no issues. You have very touristy walking street if you want it or the more local fields ave and back roads clubs if thats more your taste.
AC is a must return for sure.
Sorry so long and excuse my typos. I also did Thailand on this trip. The report is over in that forum.
World Jockey
03-29-14, 07:26
How many days do you recommend AC for staying? If at all? I want 2 ST girls a day (unless I get hooked up on a girl for too long). Or should I skip Pattaya cause I have already seen it (3-4 times). OR skip Indonesia and only concentrate on BKK, Pattaya, Manila and (AC). So difficult choices. I was also thinking about Boracay (but in May maybe full of tourists and alone it might not be a good idea, I don't know about the girls there).
Of course nobody knows. I just have to make a decision (and soon).AC at least 3 days.
I wouldn't skip Pattaya.
If I had to skip any it would be BKK and / or Manila.
I have never been to Indo but I hear Bali is a bore for mongering.
Hi guys, I'm asking for advice about what to do on my vacation in the Philippines. Now I'm also thinking about visiting Angeles for the 1st time. I have 3 weeks and I'm 1st flying to BKK and I was thinking staying maybe 2-3 days in BKK and 4-5 in Pattaya. Then heading to Philippines for 1-2 weeks and then maybe to Bali for 4 days or one week. But maybe this is too much traveling for 3 week vacation not sure. I have been in Manila 3 times, in Cebu and Bohol once. Now I have been thinking about my options. I could stay one week in Manila, but it doesn't make sense (nothing there except traffic, pollution, shopping and clubbing). Of RLDs there I have only seen P. Burgos, which is not that special. I have one gf in Manila, but she doesn't know her schedules and is working all the time almost (this is the problem with "good" girls) plus I only met her there 2 months ago (no sex so far etc. But I'd like to get to know her more). But she is busy and I need to go look for pussy elsewhere I think. That would make it better to leave Manila so she won't find out about my other girls...In response to your questions, I say go to Manilla. Not exactly sure what you're looking for but with enough research, you'll find it!
What was the question? Looks like you got your own answer! I would say to stay home. Doesn't seem like you have a purpose for the trip.I would prefer pataya over AC. AC is just a smaller version with worse food and no ocean. I just go there if I am I'm the philipines anyway but if I had the option to stay longer in Pattaya I would stay there
I would prefer pataya over AC. AC is just a smaller version with worse food and no ocean. I just go there if I am I'm the philipines anyway but if I had the option to stay longer in Pattaya I would stay thereOK. So maybe it is not a good idea to head to AC from Pattaya and split the time between these 2 places. Because I only have about 1-2 weeks anyway for Thailand / Philippines so maybe not a good idea to lose valuable time for traveling and moving from one place to another. The only point I was thinking about was seeing new places cause I have never been to AC but have been to Pattaya 3-4 times so in that sense it might be interesting. Not that there is anything wrong with Pattaya. And probably hotels are cheaper there and food so much better. And maybe safer environment.
But I have read that HIV rate among WGs is a lot higher in Pattaya / Thailand compared to Philippines for some reason. Wonder if that has anything to do with your mongering plans?
FruitNinja
03-29-14, 18:55
AC at least 3 days.
I wouldn't skip Pattaya.
If I had to skip any it would be BKK and / or Manila.
I have never been to Indo but I hear Bali is a bore for mongering.Manila is more money but I have had much more fun in Manila than AC. I love Makati, knowing a bar owner helps. But if you are having fun at the bar and taking care of the girl she will more than take care of you. Look out for dogs.
World Jockey
03-29-14, 20:10
Manila is more money but I have had much more fun in Manila than AC. I love Makati, knowing a bar owner helps. But if you are having fun at the bar and taking care of the girl she will more than take care of you. Look out for dogs.If you prefer Manila to AC then no doubt go with your tried and proven. Knowing a bar owner is for sure a leg up.
Heard some rumors about lots (like 100+) of new HIV+ cases in AC that Hygiene is aware of, but still let girls keep their licenses. Now I know they like to scaremonger and also habitually inflate figures by adding up all positive cases since HIV tests were invented, more or less, but is there any truth to this rumor? With the increase of baklas and unhealthy looking freelancers in AC, one should not be too surprised to see a rise in HIV in the BB capital.
Once we landed I quickly secured a cab. The kid said he could take us to AC for the low low price of 3000 pesos. However what he didn't know was I RTFF and knew that I could catch a bus to AC from swag mans for a fraction of the cost. So off to swagman we went. The last bust to AC was at 8:30pm. We landed like 6:30.If you have RTFF then you might know that there is a direct flight from Bangkok to Angeles (Clark) with Tigerair: http://www.tigerair.com/sg/en/
Saves you a lot of time and hassle.
Nice report, thanks!
BrainDrain
03-31-14, 07:56
If you have RTFF then you might know that there is a direct flight from Bangkok to Angeles (Clark) with Tigerair:
http://www.tigerair.com/sg/en/
Saves you a lot of time and hassle.
Nice report, thanks!Thanks for the tip on Tiger. They have some wonderful flight attendants chosen without any reference to fair work practices.
When I search for BKK-CRk the Tiger site is redirecting to their 'strategic' partner for this sector. It is suggesting Cebu Pacfific.
Cost of return for my dates of less than P8, 000.
Astute travellers will know the benefits of arriving and departing from CRK, the friendly airport.
Short lines.
Quick arrival / depart.
Leave AC hotels at 1 hour to departure time
Heard some rumors about lots (like 100+) of new HIV+ cases in AC that Hygiene is aware of, but still let girls keep their licenses. Now I know they like to scaremonger and also habitually inflate figures by adding up all positive cases since HIV tests were invented, more or less, but is there any truth to this rumor? With the increase of baklas and unhealthy looking freelancers in AC, one should not be too surprised to see a rise in HIV in the BB capital.Maybe true or not as I'm not even sure they do the HIV test on the girls (as its not exactly cheap) as part of the mandatory "health inspection"
Maybe true or not as I'm not even sure they do the HIV test on the girls (as its not exactly cheap) as part of the mandatory "health inspection"I was told by a girl that they only to a bacterial check. With all the barebacking going on with the new influx of sex tourists, it's no wonder hiv is skyrocketing in AC.
Heard some rumors about lots (like 100+) of new HIV+ cases in AC that Hygiene is aware of, but still let girls keep their licenses. Now I know they like to scaremonger and also habitually inflate figures by adding up all positive cases since HIV tests were invented, more or less, but is there any truth to this rumor? With the increase of baklas and unhealthy looking freelancers in AC, one should not be too surprised to see a rise in HIV in the BB capital.Where are the facts? Rumors are rumors, not facts. 100+ is too many to hide if true. It Hygiene is aware why wouldn't they pull the license? Too much to lose if they didn't.
I was told by a girl that they only to a bacterial check. With all the barebacking going on with the new influx of sex tourists, it's no wonder hiv is skyrocketing in AC.Who said HIV was skyrocketing? And what evidence do they have to show for it?
Where are the facts? Rumors are rumors, not facts.Yeah, where? I did not present it as a fact. I was posting it here, hoping some knowledgable member would be able to extrapolate.
100+ is too many to hide if true.As I said, Hygiene has previously shown a propensity to add all cases (over the years) up. Including now dead girls who will likely not be working in any AC bar (even if you sometimes wonder). If you are in the business of HIV prevention you need funding. You don't get that if you do a good job and present low figures.
It Hygiene is aware why wouldn't they pull the license?The reason stated was "pity" on girls being the only breadwinners for their poor rural families.
I believe it's an inflated number myself, at least with regards to LICENSED workers. On the other hand there are some girls who have been working more or less continously for well over a decade. That will add up to many miles of BB dick.
Love Seeker
04-01-14, 20:03
This is the most recent article that I found. http://assistasia.wordpress.com/tag/hiv-statistics-philippines/ 2012.
Sectors.
"The government has evidently failed in assessing the gravity of the situation among homosexuals and drug users as HIV transmission among these groups become more rampant than among female sex workers (Macaraig 2011). Focus on prostituted women encouraged social workers and advocates to find ways to introduce 'innovative practices' in sex work which later proved helpful in radically decreasing possible new infections in Angeles City, Pampanga (ABS-CBN News 2011)."
The fact is that it is very hard (not imposable) but very hard for the male to contract HIV AIDS from heterosexual contact from an infected female through vaginal fluids. An infected male can infect a female with heterosexual contact much easier through his seaman. Most men contract HIV or AIDS through homosexual contact (seaman) or using dirty needles.
I always use condoms because you can get other STDs. You can get herpes, gonorrhea, hepatitis, syphilis, chlamydia, crabs, human papilloma virus, bacterial vaginosis, and trichomoniasis. If the only thing to worry about was contracting HIV through vaginal fluids I might go barebacked because it is very rare. All these other STD's are very real and much more easily transmitted through heterosexual sex than HIV AIDS.
When I search for BKK-CRk the Tiger site is redirecting to their 'strategic' partner for this sector. It is suggesting Cebu Pacfific.I believe Tiger just sold the route to Cebu Pacific. In fact my plane on BKK-CRK last month was Tiger and then the return flight was on CB. It was fine both ways, but with CB's reputation for flakiness, you have to wonder how long it will continue as is. Enjoy it while you can!
Tiradentes
04-02-14, 04:05
The fact is that it is very hard (not imposable) but very hard for the male to contract HIV AIDS from heterosexual contact from an infected female through vaginal fluids. .Does vaginal fluids also include blood from menstruation?
Does vaginal fluids also include blood from menstruation?Human Immunodeficiency Virus _LOVES_ blood. It thrives in it. Outside the body it is quite labile (ie it dies fast) but sharing needles, unprotected anal sex, menstrual blood & rough unprotected sex in general is pretty much a ticket to meet your maker. Horribly.
I can't believe the lack of knowledge of STD's demonstrated here and appalled at the lame attempts to justify / encourage bare backing as safe.
I hate condoms but there is no way in hell I am going to BB a sexworker. Even BB'ing 'good girls' is risky but Its all a calculated risk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease
AV
I can't believe the lack of knowledge of STD's demonstrated here and appalled at the lame attempts to justify / encourage bare backing as safe. I hate condoms but there is no way in hell I am going to BB a sexworker. Even BB'ing 'good girls' is risky but Its all a calculated risk.Come on, what lack of knowledge? People who've already saturated themselves with STD's, can't get it up in a rubber, only have known hookers (GFE seekers, yeah!) take zithromax like advil or otherwise are living dead and drunk anyway couldn't care less beyond the moment or living with their permanent STD's. Anybody with a shred of self-esteem and the resources to enjoy life (to amavida) is thinking hell no BB, no reason to.
Pinaypounder
04-02-14, 05:35
Human Immunodeficiency Virus _LOVES_ blood. It thrives in it. Outside the body it is quite labile (ie it dies fast) but sharing needles, unprotected anal sex, menstrual blood & rough unprotected sex in general is pretty much a ticket to meet your maker. Horribly.
I can't believe the lack of knowledge of STD's demonstrated here and appalled at the lame attempts to justify / encourage bare backing as safe.
I hate condoms but there is no way in hell I am going to BB a sexworker. Even BB'ing 'good girls' is risky but Its all a calculated risk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease
AVAmvida I do not pretend to be learned but I have done some reading. If Blood contacts you it needs to enter your Bloodstream in order to get you infected for HIV we can of course get other wonderful maladies not from Blood! My precautions include no flossing and no shaving the private parts just before arrival.
I do hate the condom but do use them! But not all the time! So far so good!
PP
My precautions include no flossing and no shaving the private parts just before arrival.The no dick shaving suggestion is a good piece of advice you seldom see. Personally I make sure to stop shaving well ahead before dipping into the AC pool.
Flossing is a bit more tricky, if you floss regularly, your gums should not bleed from it. If you stop for a while, it probably will when you start again. From what I've read, the saliva in your mouth should be pretty good att handling HIV, else a lot of Y munchers with sores or cuts in their mouths would have come down with AIDS by now.
Lads,
Perhaps the safe sex conversation is best continued in the appropriate thread, http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3259-Safe-sex-in-The-Philippines. Have at it.
Cheers.
Love Seeker
04-02-14, 10:54
I have visited Bangkok and Pattaya 6 to 8 times since the early 1980's. I have never been to the PI. I have a couple of questions.
1) Does Angles City have soapy places?
2) How easy is it to find two girls for a threesome who will actually do lesbian?
3) Is there live sex shows in any of the clubs in Angles City? (M / F and / or F / F)
I have visited Bangkok and Pattaya 6 to 8 times since the early 1980's. I have never been to the PI. I have a couple of questions.
1) Does Angles City have soapy places?
2) How easy is it to find two girls for a threesome who will actually do lesbian?
3) Is there live sex shows in any of the clubs in Angles City? (M / F and / or F / F) 2) Easy is tough to evaluate. Certainly not as easy to find as Thailand. The mamma sans are the ones to consult.
3) Not like those found in Patpong. Many years ago a few clubs pushed the limits with topless and fully nude dancers and F / F shows, but the authorities clamped down.
Come on, what lack of knowledge? People who've already saturated themselves with STD's, can't get it up in a rubber, only have known hookers (GFE seekers, yeah!) take zithromax like advil or otherwise are living dead and drunk anyway couldn't care less beyond the moment or living with their permanent STD's. Anybody with a shred of self-esteem and the resources to enjoy life (to amavida) is thinking hell no BB, no reason to.True. I chuckled reading this because it reminded me of a medico whom I know who fly's to AC & takes a cocktail of azithromycin (& lots of other things) , bathes in antiseptic whilst there and BB's likes crazy thinking HE is safe (debatable). No thought or care of what he is spreading amongst all the girls & their MANY unprotected partners.
These zombies wandering around 'popping zithromax like advil' as you so appropriately put it contribute to the severe problem of antibiotic resistant organisms. In many parts of the world now there is practically nothing left on the antimicrobial roster available to fight an infection when you do get it.
AV
BF this beautiful tall Chinese looking girl LEA, she wanted to go bar hopping, Sky trax, dinner, agreed for all nighter, I spent over 1000PHP on her excluding bar fine of 2500, but when she got to the hotel she was too tired & did a quickie because her mother was waiting & left in about 20 minutes.
This happened in late January 2014. Too many scams like this with some girls, makes one wonder how to trust these Filipinas.I've never had a runner, but it can happen to any of us. One girl I remember left at 6am but the vast majority I have difficulty getting rid of in fact.
I'm not judging you BD since I don't know you but here is some ideas to consider:
1) Don't treat the bars as meat markets. Choosing a girl on her looks alone is a mistake. I always say 'you don't choose the girl, she chooses you'. Yes even in prostitution normal human psychology still applies. If there is no real warmth or rapport then you are in runner territory. Money means little in the end.
2) Don't choose girls who will be sought after by the wealthy east Asains (Korean / Chinese / Japanese / Pinoys). These 'top shelf' girls get their money easy & regularly. Unless you are a big spending Asian yourself then you are in runner territory.
If you want GFE, PI is a easy place to have it (unless you have time to search out the freaks in PI, they do exist). If you want PSE then LOS is the place generally IMHO.
Cheers!
AV
BrainDrain
04-04-14, 08:12
I believe Tiger just sold the route to Cebu Pacific. In fact my plane on BKK-CRK last month was Tiger and then the return flight was on CB. It was fine both ways, but with CB's reputation for flakiness, you have to wonder how long it will continue as is. Enjoy it while you can!I love the recruitment policy of the flight attendants on both airlines. Always cute and always bubbly.
I just have to make a decision (and soon).Personally, based on what I know about those places either first hand or hearsay, I'd skip them all. I'd get off the track a little more. Makassar maybe?
Did enjoy a couple of days bar hopping. For a lunch time start I can recommend Ponytail on Perimeter Road. Best time is just after they open at 12 noon since one hour later Korean punters have already almost emptied the stage! BF is 2000 PHP. In the eve Tao on Fields Ave has some of the best girls selection and they do great dance group performances.
John Traveller
04-09-14, 22:01
Mogwai, about your last report:
A quite typical experience in AC, I think. These girls are pros p4p, but sometimes they behave like they are not, that is, they play "hard to get". This can be amusing, a challenge or at times irritating. Some punters like it (feels like GFE) , some not (don't like games). Myself I am much like you, I most cases these things are totally ok.
You went with this one, even if she felt cold, just because she was beautiful. Many punters do that too, but it is not a good idea.
BTW: should you think about viagra one more time?
BTW2: You will never understand them.
Mogwai, Good post on what happens when someone sticks to their guns and not let the girl walk all over him.
So Monsoon have also switch their BF policy to pay the girl and not to the bar. How much was the negotiated price of the girl for the night and also were there minimum drinks involved before she was allowed to leave with you?
Radical Guy
04-09-14, 23:34
I am wanting to find some of the 10 percent or so women in AC who choose not to shave their pussies, but I don't want to do hit or miss, as this would waste a lot of time.
Can anyone suggest a more efficient approach? For example, would asking the mamasan for a selection of unshaven girls be considered a bizarre request? I'm sure other guys have a variety of other types of fetishes, and have found ways to find what they are looking for. Any ideas?
RG
FruitNinja
04-10-14, 00:32
I am wanting to find some of the 10 percent or so women in AC who choose not to shave their pussies, but I don't want to do hit or miss, as this would waste a lot of time.
Can anyone suggest a more efficient approach? For example, would asking the mamasan for a selection of unshaven girls be considered a bizarre request? I'm sure other guys have a variety of other types of fetishes, and have found ways to find what they are looking for. Any ideas?
RGMy experience with AC is that most are unshaven. But I tend to pick young innocent looking girls.
I don't think asking mama for a girl that will dress like a clown while riding a horse and blowing you at the same time wouldn't raise any eyebrows. She might ask what color clown outfit you like.
Mogwai, about your last report:
A quite typical experience in AC, I think. These girls are pros p4p, but sometimes they behave like they are not, that is, they play "hard to get". This can be amusing, a challenge or at times irritating. Some punters like it (feels like GFE) , some not (don't like games). Myself I am much like you, I most cases these things are totally ok.
You went with this one, even if she felt cold, just because she was beautiful. Many punters do that too, but it is not a good idea.
BTW: should you think about viagra one more time?
BTW2: You will never understand them.No, that's not a good idea indeed. Usually I don't go for the prettiest girls but for the nicest girls. But I was tired and didn't want to bar hop any more to find another girl so I gave her the benefit of the doubt.
And regarding Viagra: sometimes I think I want to give it a try but I'm afraid I will like it so much that I can't perform without it anymore. And I don't want that to happen. I can still get it up most of the time (knock on wood).
And regarding BTW2: no, I'm afraid not. But hey, that's part of the fun dealing with women isn't it?
Mogwai, Good post on what happens when someone sticks to their guns and not let the girl walk all over him.
So Monsoon have also switch their BF policy to pay the girl and not to the bar. How much was the negotiated price of the girl for the night and also were there minimum drinks involved before she was allowed to leave with you?Thanks,
If my memory serves me well (which at my age is not as certain anymore as say 10 years ago) the price was P2300. And I believe I gave her P2500.
She had 1 or maybe 2 drinks in the bar and they didn't complain so I guess that was ok.
My experience with AC is that most are unshaven. But I tend to pick young innocent looking girls.
I don't think asking mama for a girl that will dress like a clown while riding a horse and blowing you at the same time wouldn't raise any eyebrows. She might ask what color clown outfit you like.The mamasan also asked me if I wanted the horse to be a stallion or a filly.
Love Seeker
04-10-14, 19:45
Very nice report Mogwai. Thanks for sharing your experience in AC!
I am wanting to find some of the 10 percent or so women in AC who choose not to shave their pussies, but I don't want to do hit or miss, as this would waste a lot of time.
Can anyone suggest a more efficient approach? For example, would asking the mamasan for a selection of unshaven girls be considered a bizarre request? I'm sure other guys have a variety of other types of fetishes, and have found ways to find what they are looking for. Any ideas?
RGDo what I do. Go into a bar, sit at the stage and joke with the girls by asking who is not Kalbo (bald). They will laugh and tell you who is and who is not. I was just there two weeks ago and there are many not shaven, just trimmed. Most girls know me now and joke when I sit down. If I find a nice bush, I will slid 20P into her panties. I tell the girls that I am an interior designer and the curtains must match the carpet.
Do what I do. Go into a bar, sit at the stage and joke with the girls by asking who is not Kalbo (bald). They will laugh and tell you who is and who is not. I was just there two weeks ago and there are many not shaven, just trimmed. Most girls know me now and joke when I sit down. If I find a nice bush, I will slid 20P into her panties. I tell the girls that I am an interior designer and the curtains must match the carpet.Haha, yeah, this is good advice and I am the first in line. Not all bushes are equal but the baldies are just plain boring. Thanks Robbaf for a good strategy, I like it!
Be there (AC) in a month!
BlueTraveler
04-15-14, 07:24
I'm going to fly into (my first time there) AC over Easter weekend. Has anyone been there around that time? Is it a ghost town? Do all the pretty girls leave to visit their families.
Has anyone been there around that time?Yes, me, once and never again. It's definitely not a good time to visit AC.
Is it a ghost town? Do all the pretty girls leave to visit their families.Don't worry, it isn't a ghost town, still lots of fun to be had, but for sure several pretty ones have left. Easter is almost same important as Christmas.
Anyway, enjoy! Greetings from Patong Beach!
I did not take Easter into account when I planned my next trip to AC. Is it mainly dead for the weekend or does it carry into the week as well? Not that it makes a difference at this point since everything is booked, but wouldn't mind knowing what to expect.
FLT.
Come on, what lack of knowledge? People who've already saturated themselves with STD's, can't get it up in a rubber, only have known hookers (GFE seekers, yeah!) take zithromax like advil or otherwise are living dead and drunk anyway couldn't care less beyond the moment or living with their permanent STD's. Anybody with a shred of self-esteem and the resources to enjoy life (to amavida) is thinking hell no BB, no reason to.Scary observation. Never been to AC or Manila, but I can imagine like Thailand, one of those places in the world where single guys go to retire. They drink and screw bare back until they drop dead. If you are an atheist, why not? You'll be dead. Drug resistant STDs spreading in the world won't be your problem. When I visit somewhere in the world and I see alot of guys like that, I KNOW it is not a place to play. Man, I am hoping that there is some corner of the PI where the girls are somewhat clean. If there is, guys, please PM me and let me know.
. Man, I am hoping that there is some corner of the PI where the girls are somewhat clean. If there is, guys, please PM me and let me know.All the places that I have been, they are. But I've only covered the Visayas and parts of Mindanao so excuse me for even posting on this thread. I actually see Pinay pretty hard to get for the most part, at least initially.
Scary observation. Never been to AC or Manila, but I can imagine like Thailand, one of those places in the world where single guys go to retire. They drink and screw bare back until they drop dead. If you are an atheist, why not? You'll be dead. Drug resistant STDs spreading in the world won't be your problem. When I visit somewhere in the world and I see alot of guys like that, I KNOW it is not a place to play. Man, I am hoping that there is some corner of the PI where the girls are somewhat clean. If there is, guys, please PM me and let me know.Imagination is not observation. I don't know what you were observing other than as you said it was just your imagination. No clean corner in PI other than in Mindanao.
Scary observation. Never been to AC or Manila, but I can imagine like Thailand, one of those places in the world where single guys go to retire. They drink and screw bare back until they drop dead. If you are an atheist, why not? You'll be dead. Drug resistant STDs spreading in the world won't be your problem. When I visit somewhere in the world and I see alot of guys like that, I KNOW it is not a place to play. Man, I am hoping that there is some corner of the PI where the girls are somewhat clean. If there is, guys, please PM me and let me know.I hope you don't have to fly in to the PI, as there is a missing plane and it may not be safe to fly. And you better bring a bodyguard with you to prevent any robbery attempt, as the street kids can get pretty mean.
Honestly there is no clean place, you better go to Thailand.
Sorry
Robbaf
Wicked Roger
04-16-14, 01:54
Scary observation. Never been to AC or Manila, but I can imagine like Thailand, one of those places in the world where single guys go to retire. They drink and screw bare back until they drop dead. If you are an atheist, why not? You'll be dead. Drug resistant STDs spreading in the world won't be your problem. When I visit somewhere in the world and I see alot of guys like that, I KNOW it is not a place to play. Man, I am hoping that there is some corner of the PI where the girls are somewhat clean. If there is, guys, please PM me and let me know.Try Sulu and Tawi Tawi (there are flights there with Cebu Pacific) as you should find relief there from the ills that you want to avoid especially if a westerner.
Honestly there is no clean place.There is, Robb. Called North Korea.
Cheers, mate!
BlueTraveler
04-16-14, 06:29
Yes, me, once and never again. It's definitely not a good time to visit AC.
Don't worry, it isn't a ghost town, still lots of fun to be had, but for sure several pretty ones have left. Easter is almost same important as Christmas.
Anyway, enjoy! Greetings from Patong Beach!Any opinion on Jakarta vs. AC, at least over Easter? I'm tempted to change my travel plans.
Sang Kancil
04-16-14, 08:07
Imagination is not observation. I don't know what you were observing other than as you said it was just your imagination. No clean corner in PI other than in Mindanao.Jolo, Mindanao. Bang! Bang! Welcome to Abu Sayaf home base.
John Traveller
04-16-14, 11:34
Come on, what lack of knowledge? People who've already saturated themselves with STD's, can't get it up in a rubber, only have known hookers (GFE seekers, yeah!) take zithromax like advil or otherwise are living dead and drunk anyway couldn't care less beyond the moment or living with their permanent STD's. Anybody with a shred of self-esteem and the resources to enjoy life (to amavida) is thinking hell no BB, no reason to.Oh no, Golfinho is back with his scare! I look forward to pages and pages with discussion about how dangerous everything is and how immoral mongers and sex-workers are! Well, the only way to be safe from dangers is in fact to be dead already, so let's just go for that. Bareboning is in fact the natural way of life, and so are other dangers. Anyway, just wash your dick with soap, and you'll be fine.
I will not comment further on this in this thread since there is a dedicated thread to this topic in the forum. Please use that one.
Any opinion on Jakarta vs. AC, at least over Easter? I'm tempted to change my travel plans.Jakarta and AC are so totally different, it has nothing to do with Easter or not Easter. AC is still fun during Easter, but a bit less while Jakarta is unaware of Easter.
Maybe this helps: Easter = Go Jakarta, Ramadhan = Go AC.
Or go Thailand at any time!
The ABC hotel web page mentions 2 pool parties coming up in May. One Saturday, and then one the next day (Sunday). This is odd to me. The one Saturday is at night, and the girls have to pay. I bet this is for the guys and dates. The one on Sunday starts early and ends in time for the bar girls to goto work. And there is not a cover charge for the girls. I bet the Sunday one is the funner one. I went years ago and had a blast.
I took a girl out and took her to her job to bar fine her, then took her to the room for some xxx time. The pool parties are fun as you get to check out the girls attitude before you BF her. And get to feel her up etc etc. I guess you could take her to room early, but if a mamasan from the bar is watching all the girls at the pool party, then she might have to stay. What do you think?
I will be in AC next week and I know it's going to be hot. Are there some good poolside places around fields? Also, I will be there all week, if anyone wants to grab some beers or bar hop.
FLT.
FruitNinja
04-17-14, 10:35
Scary observation. Never been to AC or Manila, but I can imagine like Thailand, one of those places in the world where single guys go to retire. They drink and screw bare back until they drop dead. If you are an atheist, why not? You'll be dead. Drug resistant STDs spreading in the world won't be your problem. When I visit somewhere in the world and I see alot of guys like that, I KNOW it is not a place to play. Man, I am hoping that there is some corner of the PI where the girls are somewhat clean. If there is, guys, please PM me and let me know.With over 300 posts where are these clean places where you have been mongering? (I'm not going to even look as this is about the silliest post I've read in a long time) Clean girls? Dude, they are hookers. In your previous mongering do you get a full std test before each encounter. And realistically what's the better deal. Work and drink yourself to death or rest, drink, and fuck yourself to death. If it weren't for family my ass would be in Asia eating fresh food, fucking fresh pussy, with a little drinking on the side. Either way you die.
With over 300 posts where are these clean places where you have been mongering? (I'm not going to even look as this is about the silliest post I've read in a long time) Clean girls? Dude, they are hookers. In your previous mongering do you get a full std test before each encounter. And realistically what's the better deal. Work and drink yourself to death or rest, drink, and fuck yourself to death. If it weren't for family my ass would be in Asia eating fresh food, fucking fresh pussy, with a little drinking on the side. Either way you die.Well said FruitNinja, it's not about how long you can stretch this journey, but it's all about how you get there. It's not about how many breaths you have taken during your life, but how many experiences you had that took your breath away. Go out and enjoy the way you fancy.
BlueTraveler
04-17-14, 12:07
Jakarta and AC are so totally different, it has nothing to do with Easter or not Easter. AC is still fun during Easter, but a bit less while Jakarta is unaware of Easter.
Maybe this helps: Easter = Go Jakarta, Ramadhan = Go AC.
Or go Thailand at any time!Good advice. I canceled my trip to AC. I'm going to hit Thailand instead.
LordBastian
04-17-14, 12:26
I will be in AC next week and I know it's going to be hot. Are there some good poolside places around fields? Also, I will be there all week, if anyone wants to grab some beers or bar hop.
FLT.I get there on Wednesday or Thursday. We will definitely need to explore and monger. Shoot me an email [Email address deleted by Admin]
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GoodEnough
04-17-14, 13:35
Try Sulu and Tawi Tawi (there are flights there with Cebu Pacific) as you should find relief there from the ills that you want to avoid especially if a westerner.And let's not leave out Basilan, which is only an hour's boat ride from Zamboanga. Oh, and also Cotabato, a mere three and a half hours from Davao by road. Then there's Maguindanao, Lanao del Sur, Marawi City as well. Lots and lots of places but don't forget the Kevlar vests.
With over 300 posts where are these clean places where you have been mongering? (I'm not going to even look as this is about the silliest post I've read in a long time) Clean girls? Dude, they are hookers. In your previous mongering do you get a full std test before each encounter. And realistically what's the better deal. Work and drink yourself to death or rest, drink, and fuck yourself to death. If it weren't for family my ass would be in Asia eating fresh food, fucking fresh pussy, with a little drinking on the side. Either way you die.Ahh, the PI forum nihilists make their presence known! OK, I'll bite.
Why is it that PI lovers are the only ones who get so riled up about the discussion about STDs? They always argue that STDs are always an issue, punting is never 100% safe, so why bother asking. Bareback until you die! Life is short! You are a wimp for asking!
No one is saying that putas are clean. Of course there is always a risk, whereever you go. The reason why STDs come up over and over again in the PI forums is because it is a particular problem there. The antibiotic-resistant bugs are coming out of the PI. That's why an STD PI page was started. Normally, I post questions there, but I was responding to a post here. And even when questions are posted there, you guys still jump over us. Its like you are looking for someone to hate on.
Seriously, you guys are in denial and compensate by arguing extremes in one direction or the other. Nothing wrong with asking some innocent questions. I am not asking about places where all the girls are certified clean. I know the risks. But check out this article:
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000106416&story_title=Census:
Some places are worse than others. I'm just saying, that's just a fact.
FruitNinja
04-17-14, 20:39
Ahh, the PI forum nihilists make their presence known! OK, I'll bite.
Why is it that PI lovers are the only ones who get so riled up about the discussion about STDs? They always argue that STDs are always an issue, punting is never 100% safe, so why bother asking. Bareback until you die! Life is short! You are a wimp for asking!
No one is saying that putas are clean. Of course there is always a risk, whereever you go. The reason why STDs come up over and over again in the PI forums is because it is a particular problem there. The antibiotic-resistant bugs are coming out of the PI. That's why an STD PI page was started. Normally, I post questions there, but I was responding to a post here. And even when questions are posted there, you guys still jump over us. Its like you are looking for someone to hate on.
Seriously, you guys are in denial and compensate by arguing extremes in one direction or the other. Nothing wrong with asking some innocent questions. I am not asking about places where all the girls are certified clean. I know the risks. But check out this article:
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000106416&story_title=Census:
Some places are worse than others. I'm just saying, that's just a fact.Dude, I've only been to the Phils twice so I am certainly not a regular by no stretch of the imagination. You come on here and bash the guys that are regulars and go crying wolf about STDs, of course you're going to get people riled. You don't think these guys are aware of the risks? Most mongers I've met in my life are quite intelligent and most successful. A little excentric but hey, we all have our quirks.
So what was the point of your post if not to irritate people. We've all heard it before. We all know the risks. If it's not a risk you're willing to take or a place you want to go, why come here and tell us? We don't care what you do. I suggest you quit with the mom routine and give us a break. We're big boys. We don't need every tom dick and harry every other day reminding us of what we already know.
Give it a break. Go do some mongering and post a FR.
If there was a real point to your post I'm at a loss to see it.
FruitNinja
04-17-14, 20:47
Ahh, the PI forum nihilists make their presence known! OK, I'll bite.
Why is it that PI lovers are the only ones who get so riled up about the discussion about STDs? They always argue that STDs are always an issue, punting is never 100% safe, so why bother asking. Bareback until you die! Life is short! You are a wimp for asking!
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000106416&story_title=Census:
Some places are worse than others. I'm just saying, that's just a fact.And I just went to your link. What the hell does Kenya have to do with The Phils? We're talking a continent that is the HIV continent of the world. The poverty makes the Phils look first world.
AGAIN! What was the point of your post? You don't want to go to the Phils. Great. I didn't need to know that. That information did not benefit anyone and is not applicable to this forum. That's one less person that I have to worry about buying a beer for.
And I just went to your link. What the hell does Kenya have to do with The Phils? We're talking a continent that is the HIV continent of the world. The poverty makes the Phils look first world.
AGAIN! What was the point of your post? You don't want to go to the Phils. Great. I didn't need to know that. That information did not benefit anyone and is not applicable to this forum. That's one less person that I have to worry about buying a beer for.Did you even read my post? Some places are worse than others. So if you care about your personal health and want to decrease the risk of the hobby as low as possible, it pays to do a little homework, assess the environment, and take some precautions. And even if the PI isn't as bad as most African countries, its generally much higher than most countries.
And before you blow a gasket, realize that my first "post" was just an innocent comment on someone else's post. I didn't set out to write an editorial or start a debate. It was you and others of similar mindset that started hating. I am not questioning all of the Philliines or Filipino people, just the punting community. Why are you guys here on the PI forum SO sensitive about this stuff that you feel the need to gang up on anyone who even barely mentions STDs? Seriously, there is a raw nihilistic subculture here that I haven't seen on the forums for any other country.
Isn't there a better thread for this back and forth that now has nothing to do with AC? I think it might have started with a mention of AC, but we are well beyond that now.
FLT.
Isn't there a better thread for this back and forth that now has nothing to do with AC? I think it might have started with a mention of AC, but we are well beyond that now.
FLT.They don't care about AC, they only care about arguing and winning the argument. Haha, I don't recall ever seeing a winner of one of these off topic debates and this paticular one is quite boring.
The ISG AC Forum is not where you can find up to date info. Go else where that.
Wicked Roger
04-18-14, 02:24
Isn't there a better thread for this back and forth that now has nothing to do with AC? I think it might have started with a mention of AC, but we are well beyond that now.
FLT.Good point and there is.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3259-Safe-sex-in-The-Philippines
Looking at Manny's FR history suggests he likes t comment on other FRs give out little information no real FRs or pics (he even asked the same question a few times on multiple boards). I think he is here just to sit up trouble and enjoys the replies he gets while typing one handed dreaming of the place and girls we visit and shag.
FN has a good point also the difference he has been top the Philippines, seen the bars, got the T shirt etc. Many does not want to come which begs the question why comment on a board / country he has no interest in visiting? If he does change his mind and insist on visiting the clean places are why I and other posters suggested in Sulu, Tawi Tawi, Contabato, Jolo etc. Nice islands nice beaches, nice people, untouched by us dirty barebacking Westerners, somewhere where Manny will feel comfortable and welcome by the locals.
Looks like the golden egg was broke last night. Sisters bar was raided last night and 7 customers were taken in the raid. As of now, there is no information on their status. I will update as more information is released.
Be careful out there.
Robb
Looks like the golden egg was broke last night. Sisters bar was raided last night and 7 customers were taken in the raid. As of now, there is no information on their status. I will update as more information is released.
Be careful out there.
RobbThanks for that very important intel. Yeh, looks like the golden egg is broken, and maybe never fixed. Fair warning to all of us.
Thanks
Or go Thailand at any time!Except the king's birthday, or the death of a royal, or during an election.
Wicked Roger
04-18-14, 14:35
Looks like the golden egg was broke last night. Sisters bar was raided last night and 7 customers were taken in the raid. As of now, there is no information on their status. I will update as more information is released.
Be careful out there.
RobbYep and it does not look when the customers are taken to Camp Crane and allegedly charged with [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). See the link as someone watching also arrested.
http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=10045
Now if you are enjoying a drink and are then arrested in a civilized country you need reason but this is the Philippines. Am sure this won't be the last maybe some people are short on pocket money.
Anybody find out any information about the latest bar raid? I have heard reports of the IJM being behind it. This one seems to be causing a little more worry than others in the past.
FLT.
Be careful out there.My next trip will be Burgos again in May. Without AC.
Double the money but no trouble.
Come over, man!
My next trip will be Burgos again in May. Without AC.
Double the money but no trouble.
Come over, man!Brother I may have to take you up on that. I have a few girls wanting to meet and just avoid the bars, even though I love to bar hop. My last trip I was treated to a Filipina buffet (4 girls)."It is more fun in the Philippines".
I was treated to a Filipina buffet (4 girls)."It is more fun in the Philippines".For sure it is. Greetings from Thailand, not too bad either.
See you!
Econo Tech
04-18-14, 17:02
anybody find out any information about the latest bar raid? i have heard reports of the ijm being behind it. this one seems to be causing a little more worry than others in the past.
flt.obama is due end of april and in one of the raids i heard a few girls walked in ordered drinks and cops came in and the visiting girls accused the establishment of having employed them. them **** girls. so in goes the whole crew. and no get out of jail card price being discussed yet, it seems.
they are on to killing the golden egg laying goose that feeds each mayors and local politicians war chest. maybe they made enough war chest they don't need the goose any more and maybe they have found other geese (koreans?)
above is all the rumour i heard from ac. reliable rumour.
Great Muta
04-18-14, 20:55
Really saddened to hear about all the raids and other garbage going on. I'm beginning to think there will be nothing left or it will be too risky by the time I can actually go. I also think all of these raids really don't help anything and are going to put the girls in even worse positions than before. Can't see these girls having chances at doing non-barfining things with jail sentences to their name.
Neil Patrick
04-20-14, 17:10
Hi All,
I need some advice / opinion from anyone who can weigh in about a question I have. This is one of those 'I was hoping to visit AC, but should I? '. I'll explain my situation so that people who are out there can help me with my decision.
I don't get a lot of time to travel for mongering (about 10 days an year) so whatever the time that I have is quite precious for me. So far I've done trips to Thailand and KL. This year's plan was to do 5 days in Pattaya and 5 days in AC. I was concerned about the AC situation and have already cut down 2 days from my original plan and reduced the days to 3. But now with the latest news from out there I'm thinking whether I should ever go there.
My expectation was to get a feeling of the AC scene and have some good time with a few cute Filipinas. Given that there's very little to do outside mongering and the situation with the raids I'm feeling that I should not go there at all. I have a budget of about 300-330USD per day and I've read that Manila is somewhat expensive than AC and Pattaya. So I don't know whether my budget would fit that.
So given all that information, can anyone of the experienced members give me an opinion or some kind of input?
Here are the options that I have with me right now:
* Stick to the current plan and visit AC for 3 days.
* Don't go to the Philippines at all and stay in Pats or go to BKK as I don't want to take any risk at all.
* Visit Manila and find an area that would fit my budget.
Any advice is truly appreciated. I know that anyone of you can't give a direct answer so I'm just asking for a second opinion or some knowledge from the field.
Thank you in advance.
Go to Ac. You will have a great time for a lot less money. I always stay at Orchid Inn Resort. Has a pool, cute bartender girls and near the action.
Hi All,
I need some advice / opinion from anyone who can weigh in about a question I have. This is one of those 'I was hoping to visit AC, but should I? '. I'll explain my situation so that people who are out there can help me with my decision.
I don't get a lot of time to travel for mongering (about 10 days an year) so whatever the time that I have is quite precious for me. So far I've done trips to Thailand and KL. This year's plan was to do 5 days in Pattaya and 5 days in AC. I was concerned about the AC situation and have already cut down 2 days from my original plan and reduced the days to 3. But now with the latest news from out there I'm thinking whether I should ever go there.
My expectation was to get a feeling of the AC scene and have some good time with a few cute Filipinas. Given that there's very little to do outside mongering and the situation with the raids I'm feeling that I should not go there at all. I have a budget of about 300-330USD per day and I've read that Manila is somewhat expensive than AC and Pattaya. So I don't know whether my budget would fit that.
So given all that information, can anyone of the experienced members give me an opinion or some kind of input?
Here are the options that I have with me right now:
* Stick to the current plan and visit AC for 3 days.
* Don't go to the Philippines at all and stay in Pats or go to BKK as I don't want to take any risk at all.
* Visit Manila and find an area that would fit my budget.
Any advice is truly appreciated. I know that anyone of you can't give a direct answer so I'm just asking for a second opinion or some knowledge from the field.
Thank you in advance.
Hi All,
I need some advice / opinion from anyone who can weigh in about a question I have. This is one of those 'I was hoping to visit AC, but should I? '. I'll explain my situation so that people who are out there can help me with my decision.
I don't get a lot of time to travel for mongering (about 10 days an year) so whatever the time that I have is quite precious for me. So far I've done trips to Thailand and KL. This year's plan was to do 5 days in Pattaya and 5 days in AC. I was concerned about the AC situation and have already cut down 2 days from my original plan and reduced the days to 3. But now with the latest news from out there I'm thinking whether I should ever go there.
My expectation was to get a feeling of the AC scene and have some good time with a few cute Filipinas. Given that there's very little to do outside mongering and the situation with the raids I'm feeling that I should not go there at all. I have a budget of about 300-330USD per day and I've read that Manila is somewhat expensive than AC and Pattaya. So I don't know whether my budget would fit that.
So given all that information, can anyone of the experienced members give me an opinion or some kind of input?
Here are the options that I have with me right now:
* Stick to the current plan and visit AC for 3 days.
* Don't go to the Philippines at all and stay in Pats or go to BKK as I don't want to take any risk at all.
* Visit Manila and find an area that would fit my budget.
Any advice is truly appreciated. I know that anyone of you can't give a direct answer so I'm just asking for a second opinion or some knowledge from the field.
Thank you in advance.My trip next month includes 2 in Manila. 4 in Jakarta, and 4 in AC. The last raid included detaining bar customers which changes the whole game in AC. From what I believe to have happened is that the customers were taken to Manila (for questioning) and then returned to AC. It's not exactly clear to me why they were taken? Were these customers w / out proper IDs or just harassed for general purpose by the authorities.
So what should a monger on his way to AC do about this? It is a BIG change in law enforcement tactics by taking tourist. It will hurt business no doubt, there are too many alternatives to AC.
For my vacation I still plan on my final 4 days in AC BUT! I will most definitely have a back up plan. Maybe stay longer in Jakarta, or Manila, or go to Subic, etc.
AC is my favorite destination but getting less so w / all the negative anti mongering news. I would absolutely avoid the place around the 4/27th. 28th. 29th because Obama will be there in the PI.
Have a good back up plan and be ready to spend a few hun more to execute it.
Been in AC a few days now. Action has been good to this point. People have been carrying on as usual.
FLT.
Been in AC a few days now. Action has been good to this point. People have been carrying on as usual.
FLT.I have to agree with this. Been here two days and while it is slow (I was thinking because of Holy Week) it is not dead or bad. Had no problems BFing a few hotties and doing my thing. One bar asked me to pay and leave separate from the girl but other than that business as usual.
Picked one last night at Pharaohs and she insisted we also bring her friend. Ok I guess so. Good times.
I have to agree with this. Been here two days and while it is slow (I was thinking because of Holy Week) it is not dead or bad. Had no problems BFing a few hotties and doing my thing. One bar asked me to pay and leave separate from the girl but other than that business as usual.
Picked one last night at Pharaohs and she insisted we also bring her friend. Ok I guess so. Good times.Thanks to both for reporting back on the current Field's Ave vibe. Nice pics!
Keep an eye out for trouble.
FruitNinja
04-21-14, 19:22
I have to agree with this. Been here two days and while it is slow (I was thinking because of Holy Week) it is not dead or bad. Had no problems BFing a few hotties and doing my thing. One bar asked me to pay and leave separate from the girl but other than that business as usual.
Picked one last night at Pharaohs and she insisted we also bring her friend. Ok I guess so. Good times.Nice looking rack!
Neil Patrick
04-22-14, 12:12
Thank you all who replied to my post and sent PMs. Highly appreciated as always. So I've decided to keep my options open till the last moment (with an additional air ticket / hotel bookings). Though it'll waste a few hundred dollars it'll give me the flexibility of deciding at the last moment.
NP
Tiradentes
04-25-14, 03:49
Hillary C, the dyke ballbuster strikes again. Another day in AC. Another raid.
4/24/014, Viking club has just been raided. 65 Girls taken in Jeepneys to Manila. Hooray!
Hillary C, the dyke ballbuster strikes again. Another day in AC. Another raid.
4/24/014, Viking club has just been raided. 65 Girls taken in Jeepneys to Manila. Hooray!Consider no repeat of Cartagena for Obama' secret service. And no USA media cameras looking around AC. Real news will be what happens after potus has gone.
Hillary C, the dyke ballbuster strikes again. Another day in AC. Another raid.
4/24/014, Viking club has just been raided. 65 Girls taken in Jeepneys to Manila. Hooray!And apparently Barangay enforcers are sitting in Perimeter Road bars, ready to pounce if anyone is barfined.
LordBastian
04-25-14, 07:49
Hillary C, the dyke ballbuster strikes again. Another day in AC. Another raid.
4/24/014, Viking club has just been raided. 65 Girls taken in Jeepneys to Manila. Hooray!I know. I was there and saw it all go down.
Love Seeker
04-25-14, 21:06
Did the police take any of the customers to Manila?
GoodEnough
04-26-14, 03:27
I know. I was there and saw it all go down.Yup, Hilary Clinton, who holds no current political office and has never made [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) a public crusade was no doubt responsible for police raids in some shifty little corner of the world. The whole US intellectual, liberal conspiracy is ruining Angeles, and the raids have nothing at all to do with avaricious politicians trying to salve their endless hungar for more money. Or maybe it was Germaine Greer, or even Joan of Arc.
Yup, Hilary Clinton, who holds no current political office and has never made [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) a public crusade was no doubt responsible for police raids in some shifty little corner of the world. The whole US intellectual, liberal conspiracy is ruining Angeles, and the raids have nothing at all to do with avaricious politicians trying to salve their endless hungar for more money. Or maybe it was Germaine Greer, or even Joan of Arc.Hilary Clinton is a feminist first and foremost. She was a shitty Secretary of State (no Madeline Albright, not close). The Democratic Party that elected her husband president does not exist anymore, I wish it did. The new Democratic Party is the feminist / Gay Party and they have turn reality upside down to accommodate their agenda. Almost all of my problems come from my own Democratic Party hence adios you motherfuckers!
Now if you work for the government, a lawyer, a union member, etc I understand your a legion otherwise they are wrecking the world. Hahaha, they are so fucked up it ain't funny. Soon in California it will be illegal to look at a women's breast, ass, legs, etc. This is the direction western woman want (THE WORLD) to go and they NOW run the fucking media and almost all of the government, haha, THE FAT LADY IS STARTING TO SING! Hhahahahahahahaha.
Fucking please Hilary Clinton GO AWAY! Lose some fucking weight for Billy!
I know. I was there and saw it all go down.You were there? So, were customers also taken?
Tiradentes
04-26-14, 14:38
Did the police take any of the customers to Manila?I don't believe so. Full details yet to come.
Great Muta
04-26-14, 14:46
I do think the worst is past us though. Once Barry leaves it'll be back to business. If there's no bars, there's no tourism and no money or hookers for the higher-up's which won't fly.
GE, please stop provoking the Socker and his ilk. We don't know what his 'problems' are, but he's obviously got some big ones. I'm the son of a UAW worker, and proud of my father. Worked his assoff. The unions have lots of flaws, so does Hillary, so do I, so does Socker. So does GE, I've met the cranky old fart. LOL.
How much do you weigh Socker?
Hilary Clinton is a feminist first and foremost. She was a shitty Secretary of State (no Madeline Albright, not close). The Democratic Party that elected her husband president does not exist anymore, I wish it did. The new Democratic Party is the feminist / Gay Party and they have turn reality upside down to accommodate their agenda. Almost all of my problems come from my own Democratic Party hence adios you motherfuckers!
Now if you work for the government, a lawyer, a union member, etc I understand your a legion otherwise they are wrecking the world. Hahaha, they are so fucked up it ain't funny. Soon in California it will be illegal to look at a women's breast, ass, legs, etc. This is the direction western woman want (THE WORLD) to go and they NOW run the fucking media and almost all of the government, haha, THE FAT LADY IS STARTING TO SING! Hhahahahahahahaha.
Fucking please Hilary Clinton GO AWAY! Lose some fucking weight for Billy!
Tiradentes
04-26-14, 15:45
I do think the worst is past us though. Once Barry leaves it'll be back to business. If there's no bars, there's no tourism and no money or hookers for the higher-up's which won't fly.October 2013: Emirates starts direct flights from Dubai to Angeles City Airport (CRK)
May 1, 2014: Emirates ends its direct flights from Dubai to Angeles City Airport (CRK) due to'low load factor'.
Any question?
P. S. : Thanks again Ms. C.
October 2013: Emirates starts direct flights from Dubai to Angeles City Airport (CRK)
May 1, 2014: Emirates ends its direct flights from Dubai to Angeles City Airport (CRK) due to'low load factor'.
Any question? P. S. : Thanks again Ms. C.No surprise here and nothing to do with self-serving American politicians. Cheaper for the Filipino labor force to fly Air Phillippines to their Gulf States jobsites. Emirate Arabs in CRK when these 'highly sophisticates' can go to Bangkok?
Wicked Roger
04-26-14, 17:30
October 2013: Emirates starts direct flights from Dubai to Angeles City Airport (CRK)
May 1, 2014: Emirates ends its direct flights from Dubai to Angeles City Airport (CRK) due to'low load factor'.
Any question?
P. S. : Thanks again Ms. C.Tiradentes,
You are wrong as Golfinho says. I fly EK a lot and I mean a very lot, especially between Europe / Middle East to Manila.
Once the Clark connection was introduced with lots of fanfare, both Dubai. Clark and Dubai. Manila have had capacity issues. In fact since October many flights are less than 50% full. Business class sometimes had 8-12 people. Crew and pilots told me that this was due to EK cannibalizing on the Philippine route
So basic economics made this decision. EK were losing money on both routes. Now I hear and know that load / capacity is very high as for example, I am booking a number of flights to and from Manila and these are already 97-99% full so economics is the reason. Am booking some flights 2 months in advance due to this new 'problem'.
Like to hear how and why Clinton did this as this theory is tosh. So please enlighten all of us.
GE made a good point to those claiming she is behind everything bad. To be honest AC is a place you do once and then find some civilization IMHO.
Radical Guy
04-26-14, 21:00
Do what I do. Go into a bar, sit at the stage and joke with the girls by asking who is not Kalbo (bald). They will laugh and tell you who is and who is not. I was just there two weeks ago and there are many not shaven, just trimmed. Most girls know me now and joke when I sit down. If I find a nice bush, I will slid 20P into her panties. I tell the girls that I am an interior designer and the curtains must match the carpet.Wow, that's an awesome suggestion! I didn't know the work "kalbo," so it will definitely be in my vocabulary! Thanks for the tip. I don't know why, but for me, the hairier the Bush, the better! Maybe it feeds into that "wild jungle girl" fantasy of mine. These days, almost all American women are shaved, and quite boring. Give me a natural jungle girl anyday! .
RG
Pip Jaeger
04-26-14, 21:22
I do think the worst is past us though. Once Barry leaves it'll be back to business. If there's no bars, there's no tourism and no money or hookers for the higher-up's which won't fly.I don't know about the worst part being behind us, but the raids will continue. Summer is almost upon us and traditionally a few bars will get raided as ploys for an envious competitor to take over the establishment. Also, it's slower there and the weekly pasabalong decreases. The local politicians still need their payoffs and to make up any shortfalls they'll raid a bar. And of course IJM will continue to rattle their sabers too.
Personally I wouldn't let the raids deter me from visiting, you're already taking your chances by visiting a third world country to engage in what would, by first world standards, be considered a nefarious activity, so it's just a roll of the dice anyhow. If you want to play the game, be prepared to pay the piper. You want safety? Stay home, look at the FR's and pics others post and use you hand to obtain satisfaction, LOL (last comment not directed at you specifically GM, just a general observation for the fence sitters).
GoodEnough
04-27-14, 02:44
GE, please stop provoking the Socker and his ilk. We don't know what his 'problems' are, but he's obviously got some big ones. I'm the son of a UAW worker, and proud of my father. Worked his assoff. The unions have lots of flaws, so does Hillary, so do I, so does Socker. So does GE, I've met the cranky old fart. LOL.
How much do you weigh Socker?Sorry X. My short post wasn't intended to provoke, merely to raise the possibility that Ms. Clinton probably doesn't spend much time thinking about girlie bars in a third-rate city in a third world country. I'm tired of the loosely-reasoned can't about "ball busting feminists," gay marriage, and whatever other "liberal" causes blamed by mongers here for their level of general dissatisfaction. I would also suggest that the problems now intrinsic to Europe and the US were caused largely by male politicians owned by male-dominated corporations.
And you're wrong X. I have no flaws.
GE
Wicked Roger
04-27-14, 04:28
Sorry X. My short post wasn't intended to provoke, merely to raise the possibility that Ms. Clinton probably doesn't spend much time thinking about girlie bars in a third-rate city in a third world country. I'm tired of the loosely-reasoned can't about "ball busting feminists," gay marriage, and whatever other "liberal" causes blamed by mongers here for their level of general dissatisfaction. I would also suggest that the problems now intrinsic to Europe and the US were caused largely by male politicians owned by male-dominated corporations.
And you're wrong X. I have no flaws.
GEAm sure she does not GE buy maybe Bill would enjoy LOL.
I would also agree with your last sentence, basically those who moan appear not to accept the rationale that they probably lost (ie their preferred candidate did not win) and now blame the liberals for all issues.
If they really don't like what is happening in AC it is their right to say so but then don't go / visit and stop complaining.
I have been to AC twice and try to avoid it and go elsewhere. I only go to AC if I plan a naughty party which I am doing. Otherwise why go to AC as plenty of other much nicer places to have fun than AC IMHO.
PussInThePants
04-27-14, 05:21
Day 1 (26th April). Despite of all the raids and panic, business seems to happen as usual. The scene here is good but the crowd had thinned a bit. Most of the girls in the bars seemed less than 18 years so be careful while choosing. Most of the bars in the Perimeter road seemed dull but Fields Avenue was flourishing as usual. Anyways guys day 1 was awesome. Will keep you updated on if anything shows up.
So basic economics made this decision. EK were losing money on both routes.Exactly right. And largely because that given a choice, just about everyone (well, except for those of us who like AC) prefers to fly into Manila rather than Clark. We just saw how quickly Air Asia switched from Clark to NAIA once they had the chance.
Clark Airport keeps claiming that business is booming and they're going to be the next big thing in Philippine commercial aviation, but it just isn't happening. It has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton or crackdowns in AC or anything else except the preferences of the general traveling public.
Wicked Roger
04-27-14, 08:10
exactly right. and largely because that given a choice, just about everyone (well, except for those of us who like ac) prefers to fly into manila rather than clark. we just saw how quickly air asia switched from clark to naia once they had the chance.
clark airport keeps claiming that business is booming and they're going to be the next big thing in philippine commercial aviation, but it just isn't happening. it has nothing to do with mrs. clinton or crackdowns in ac or anything else except the preferences of the general traveling public.well said betong.
clark will only feature of there is a high speed rail link such as heathrow express and similar. for that needs lots of cash and the government does not have it and will take years to tender and build so clark will be inconsequential.
the only bugger is naia is really so bad as ge pointed out and i know as i fly through there lots. a real mess an what an advert for your country. when i travel to asean countries with cuties whey note how much better it is at other airports (an hte country itself most times)
I don't mind coming into NAIA, since with any luck you're only there for a few minutes. But flying out of there, gawd, what a nightmare. Anybody who doubts this, just type 'worst airport in the world' into Google. And I love it when the gov officials try to defend it. 'These are all old issues, ' said one of them, when NAIA got voted #1 worst (again) last year. Well, uh, yeah. So fix them already.
Two best things about flying into Clark: 1) on the usual approach (Runway 02R) , you come right in over Perimeter Road, pretty much right over some of the bars. And 2) jump on the P50 aircon jeepney outside and you're at Checkpoint in minutes. Just about the cheapest and quickest airport transport anywhere in SE Asia. Of course this only works for those of us who actually like Angeles, to which I plead guilty.
day 1 (26th april). despite of all the raids and panic, business seems to happen as usual. the scene here is good but the crowd had thinned a bit. most of the girls in the bars seemed less than 18 years so be careful while choosing. most of the bars in the perimeter road seemed dull but fields avenue was flourishing as usual. anyways guys day 1 was awesome. will keep you updated on if anything shows up.i am not sure were you get this notion about most of the women seeing under 18, but that is wrong. might you be one a plant form one of the right wing christian groups like the imj? bar owners have no need for under 18, and most are very, very carefully about it. also, have you seen how many ideas and certifications the women have to go through from the municipality?
or, it would be that you have not mongered much in asia or spent time with young asian women; some young women do look young.
in any event, watch what you say on this forum; many of us take it very seriously to only be with adult women, and spreading rumors about the presence of **** girls without clear evidence is irresponsible. our hobby has no place for such, just as it has no place for minors.
The only bugger is NAIA is really so bad as GE pointed out and I know as I fly through there lots. A real mess an what an advert for your country. When I travel to ASEAN countries with cuties whey note how much better it is at other airports (an hte country itself most times)The attraction of CRK is access. In and out. With discount carrier to Hong Kong, with HGK being a non-stop hub from North America. Of course, if AC in your principle comfort regular fun zone, you've got it worked out already.
LifeIsABeach
04-28-14, 00:10
Exactly right. And largely because that given a choice, just about everyone (well, except for those of us who like AC) prefers to fly into Manila rather than Clark. We just saw how quickly Air Asia switched from Clark to NAIA once they had the chance. Clark Airport keeps claiming that business is booming and they're going to be the next big thing in Philippine commercial aviation, but it just isn't happening. It has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton or crackdowns in AC or anything else except the preferences of the general traveling public.Manila airport is one of the worst in the world except for the new domestic terminal. The old aging international terminal is a hell trying to leave. How many times does a person need to be security checked? 5-6 times? The lines or the barging of people is horrendous. The Manila traffic is something I o not look forward to. I for one do not want to step in Manila or the airport ever. If I am going to AC, I'll look for a flight to Clark as it is much easier. I do not think that the general preference of the public is to go to Manila if they are going to AC having read so many negative reports on this and other forums about the NAIA airport.
If I am going to AC, I'll look for a flight to Clark as it is much easier. I do not think that the general preference of the public is to go to Manila if they are going to AC having read so many negative reports on this and other forums about the NAIA airport.Well, you feel that way and I feel that way, but believe me, the average businessman or tourist or even OFW prefers NAIA, just because it's actually in Manila. I've talked to airline people about this and they admit they got complaints when they advertised Clark as 'Manila (Clark) '. Not only is it a good long drive away from Manila, but you then arrive on what is for most people totally the wrong side of the city (the north) , and getting to Makati or Ermita can take another hour or more. However much you may hate NAIA, and we all do, for most people going to Manila whether for business or pleasure, it's actually very well located.
Wicked Roger
04-28-14, 17:30
the attraction of crk is access. in and out. with discount carrier to hong kong, with hgk being a non-stop hub from north america. of course, if ac in your principle comfort regular fun zone, you've got it worked out already.agreed if you are an american and want to go only to ac but if not there is no attraction at all.
now i admit ac has limited attraction for me except for some very naughty parties i have sometimes. then it is ideal as i can easily get girls and generally there are a few isg mongers there so that generally covers my needs for 2-3 days (next one likely in july)
but i otherwise avoid and for me clark is a useless option coming from europe / middle east more so if you want to go to manila which many do as betong said. makati is the business district and unless they move it to ac it is unlikely imho to change in the foreseeable future (that and the lack of any decent infrastructure / high speed rail link).
Fastpiston
04-29-14, 03:51
agreed if you are an american and want to go only to ac but if not there is no attraction at all.
now i admit ac has limited attraction for me except for some very naughty parties i have sometimes. then it is ideal as i can easily get girls and generally there are a few isg mongers there so that generally covers my needs for 2-3 days (next one likely in july)
but i otherwise avoid and for me clark is a useless option coming from europe / middle east more so if you want to go to manila which many do as betong said. makati is the business district and unless they move it to ac it is unlikely imho to change in the foreseeable future (that and the lack of any decent infrastructure / high speed rail link).if you plan using clark for flights, best check status of flights in future. a number of airlines are bailing out of clark or reducing flights & increasing flight prices to / from clark. emirates daily flights are stopping. air asia international has stopped going to clark. cebu pacific has taken over the tiger air routes. tiger air."philippines" is actually cebu pacific, including the booking website.
a new road system is being built around naia manila joining terminals 1, 2.3, 4 and the government is looking at expanding manila airport at other sites near naia. it is obvious that better facilities are needed close to the country's business districts at makati and ortigas.
looks like the dream for clark went dead when the chinese pulled out of the fast rail link project joining clark with manila.
Double Shooter
04-29-14, 05:07
If you plan using Clark for flights, best check status of flights in future. A number of airlines are bailing out of Clark or reducing flights & increasing flight prices to / from Clark. Emirates daily flights are stopping. Air Asia international has stopped going to Clark. Cebu Pacific has taken over the Tiger Air routes. Tiger Air."Philippines" is actually Cebu Pacific, including the booking website.
A new road system is being built around NAIA Manila joining terminals 1, 2.3, 4 and the government is looking at expanding Manila airport at other sites near NAIA. It is obvious that better facilities are needed close to the country's business districts at Makati and Ortigas.
Looks like the dream for Clark went dead when the Chinese pulled out of the fast rail link project joining Clark with Manila.Emirates stops flying to Clark on May 1st. Shame, it was so convenient, you'd be on the strip within minutes. Travellers going straight to AC should get the flight that arrives at 10pm and avoid the other two that arrive in the rush hour, when it can take 4 hours just to get out of Manila.
Wicked Roger
04-29-14, 10:54
Not sure what club and bars are in this barangay. Not being an AC lover I just post this for those who are in case they are in that area.
http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=1462
Not sure what club and bars are in this barangay. Not being an AC lover I just post this for those who are in case they are in that area.
http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=1462Sadly the barangay officials are sitting in the bars on Perimeter road and the girls cannot leave the bar during their shift. Not sure how this will effect the bars, but this cannot be good.
Emirates stops flying to Clark on May 1st. Shame, it was so convenient, you'd be on the strip within minutes. Travellers going straight to AC should get the flight that arrives at 10pm and avoid the other two that arrive in the rush hour, when it can take 4 hours just to get out of Manila.I arrived Clark from Doha last month on Qatar Airways. One of easiest arrivals I have had in the PI. I arranged a Pacific Breeze pick up for 400P. I was number three thru immigration (carry on only) and from arrival to hotel (driver standing by with sign) 40 minutes.
Departure was smooth, as I did web check-in and they had express line. I was happy to see that, as three buses arrived from Manila with OFW's 10 minutes before I did. Easy thru and in departure lounge 15 minutes later.
I will avoid flying into Manila, unless I am staying in Manila. I paid a little more to fly into Clark, as my last flight into Manila, we circled Manila for 1 1/2 hours due to air congestion and then suffered thru a 4 1/2 hour ride to AC.
Wicked Roger
04-30-14, 03:18
I will avoid flying into Manila, unless I am staying in Manila. I paid a little more to fly into Clark, as my last flight into Manila, we circled Manila for 1 1/2 hours due to air congestion and then suffered thru a 4 1/2 hour ride to AC.Agreed if AC your thing and there is a direct flight it is better as the circling around the airport is annoying. I arrived on EK earlier than planned, thought it would nice and quick yet stayed in the air 50 minutes while NAIA sort out congestion, so was messay as Etihad etc had landed just before.
This impacts all airlines and the budget carriers are hit badly, some stay on the ground, say in Cebu, until NAIA tell them they can depart. Lots of delays and this impacts later flights.
Robbaf. I wonder how long before Qatar decides to pull the plug (maybe longer as all the other major Middle East carriers have done so already?).
Not sure what club and bars are in this barangay. Not being an AC lover I just post this for those who are in case they are in that area.
http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=1462Been here for a week and have not seen any change in SOP. What I have noticed is that the girl gives the bar their cut the next day. I. E. You give the girl the BF and she pockets it and changes to street clothes and leaves with you or meets you outside. Next day she gives the bar their cut.
Mr Enternational
05-01-14, 11:07
Been here for a week and have not seen any change in SOP. What I have noticed is that the girl gives the bar their cut the next day. I. E. You give the girl the BF and she pockets it and changes to street clothes and leaves with you or meets you outside. Next day she gives the bar their cut.No change at all for some. I have always given the girl the money the next day; never in advance.
Robbaf. I wonder how long before Qatar decides to pull the plug (maybe longer as all the other major Middle East carriers have done so already?).WR, I sure hope they don't. I have my flight cost down to $780 and that is only two connections, so I am very happy.
just finished my cherry visit to ac and would like to share my thoughts on several ac bar girl subject areas, considering i did not succumb to novice tendencies, by visiting and reporting on every bar possible in sight. with strong a resolve, i managed not to yield (well perhaps just a few times) , to the sirens at the doors of these fine establishments of depravity, nor did i heed their seductive cries of "sir, sir, come here please. sir a drink here, please sir." so not used to being called "sir". after awhile, it kinda went to my head and i was strutting around thinking i was royalty. lol!
ok, so i'm not able to report on a plethora of beer / go-go bars, due to the fact i did not truly visit and spend quality time at many of them. instead i decide to do more of an extensive report / review on several ac hotels (see ac hotels and accommodations board for details). for those looking for updated go-go bar pricing, checkout the following url www.asianescapades.com/free/interactivemap/prices.php, for a fairly current, updated list of bars to choose from, depending on your budget and tastes.
ac perimeter road. go-go bars: the ac go-go bar scene seems to be alive, well and thriving, from what i as a newbie can tell. most all bars were open, had an abundance of girls and were greeting patrons with vigor. i did not witness any closures or police raids. for that matter, it was very difficult to spot the police and don't actually remember seeing any police.
must admit i did not do much bar hopping, but enjoyed the perimeter road. go-go bars, significantly more than the ones on fields ave. that may seem strange to some, but i found the relaxed atmosphere of the perimeter go-go bars, to have less pressure to buy a drink, less glitz and glam, with friendlier inviting tendencies.
det 5 go-go bar (perimeter road.) , was probably the best of the bunch for me. probably because the first time i stepped foot into the joint (about 2:30pm in the afternoon) , there was a big party celebrating the boss / owner's birthday. strangers were buying rounds of drinks, the boss was buying rounds of drinks and many of the girls were slightly pissed drunk, along with their customers. needless to say, the bathrooms were a busy place and i even had a couple of girls share the bathroom with me a few times. which made for some very heavy groping and petting. kudos to the aussie owner, as he also sprang for a nice big buffet of food and another round of drinks. about 5 hours later i stumble out of there feeling, a little drunk, a little hornier, but with a huge smile on my face and hot sexy bar girl (p1500) hook-up. truly great time and a great bar. went back to det 5 a few more times and each time was terrific. definitely found the girls here to be lots of fun.
others like dr. holmes, eruptions, emotions, colors (w / lots of pool tables?) , candy bar and others, are all decent afternoon bars, but ymmv depending on when you pop-in. found a couple of girls, that were more than willing participants in a good grope and fondle, whilst drinking their ld with me. a cute homely looking spinner, in a black bikini in dr. holmes, me on bar stool pressing against her standing at the bar, springs to mind. many have pool tables and i manage to have a few drinks, a few games of pool and several insightful conversations with some ex-pat aussies and americans.
ac fields ave. go-go bars: believe it or not, i only visited 3-bars on fields ave. since i knew i wouldn't be doing much bar hopping on fields ave, i decide to checkout one (1) bar at each end of the go-go bar spectrum (ie, dollhouse-high end, insomnia-lower end. this spectrum analogy is perhaps flawed, but hopefully, you understand what i'm getting at).
the first was dollhouse and i must have been there for all of 10-minutes. bought a bottle of water, watch the dance show and left. next was insomnia and proved to be a little better. sat down, bought a beer and watch the girls dancing. somehow the girls on stage (much like dollhouse and pony tails later on) , were not as interesting as some of the hostesses. well sitting across from me, on a bar stool, was this cute hostess girl, in a short dress with her legs partially open, no panties and her pussy showing for the world to see. needless to say she certainly had my attention. called her over to chit-chat and
she came and sat on my leg perpendicularly, so i could continue to eye her pussy. so after a few minutes of idle chat, i buy her a ld and begin investigate how much groping my ld buy me. well, long story short, she didn't allow much more than my hand stroking her thigh, a squeeze on the ass and the continued pleasure of me viewing her pussy. we exchanged cell numbers and i left. not bad, but not what i was hoping for, especially since there was better to be had on perimeter road.
lastly, i visited pony tails (which is probably more perimeter road. than fields ave.) , for about 20-minutes. bought a san miguel and chit-chatted with the hostess that served me. said she was a cute enough 31 yr old spinner, but could have easily passed for 21. still had a decent body. once again the floor staff seem more interesting to me than the girls on stage. thought is was one of the nicer higher end go-go bars, with pool tables and a good atmosphere. definitely would consider dropping back in, on another occasion.
ac bar fines / runners: when i inquired about bar fines payments, i was told to pay the bar girl, or go ask your bar girl. the few bar girls i asked, were honest and did not try to up sell the deal and quoted me the going bar rate. i encountered no runners and all arrangements where honored or extended.
although i image, that because we are now paying the bar fine afterward and not upfront, it would seem having the bar girls do business this way, should cut-down on the number potential runners. or at the very least, if she runs early, you'll pay her less than the initial agreed upon amount. in which case, this means she'll have some explaining to do with the mamasan, or she'll simply take less pay, when paying the mamasan / bar their expected cut.
not sure this has anything to do with 'runners', but on a couple occasions, i happen to overhear one of the girls i was seeing, chatting to her friend about '. i've stayed at this hotel' and '. but this hotel is better" or ". but have stayed at abc 3x. yada, yada, yada'. in what i've dubbed as "the hotel games", the girls seem to try and one-up each other in showmanship. most times the bar girl will ask ". where you staying?". either to determine, how rich you may be, what kind of player you are or perhaps just plain curious. but now i'm thinking perhaps, it's a chance for them to notch another one on their 'hotel bed post', lol! anyway just an observation and probably a non-issue, but curious on any insights others may have, on how much the hotel may factor into a bar girl's decision to stay, not to stay, stay st, stay lt or to run.
streetwalkers (sw) : there doesn't seem to be one main location, but several rep001tered throughout the ac landscape. some on stantos st. about 3/4 of a block on the left-hand side as you're walking towards the village. some
close to the abc hotel, from about sundown 6:00pm to 9:00pm, spanning about 1-block in either direction of abc up to and in front of the devera hotel. raymond st. area in front of the walking st. sign, in the evenings at various times, but most from about 12-6am in the morning, although you'll need your 'gaydar' set to high, as many of the lb / tvs take over the area, in full force. as mentioned above, take care and watch out for **** girls, in any of these areas.
high society / sky trax discos: high society diso (hsd) is located on walking st, about 1-2 blocks away from mnl highway and fields ave. entrance. i believe sun thru thu, is free and fri / sat is p150-200. open from about 9pm till 5-6am. they play techno, trance mixed with hip-hop. a good club, with lots of fls available for late night pickups or if you simply wish to party and hangout with your gf for a few hours. drinks are reasonable (san miguel is p100). went in several times and once with my gf. each time i had plenty of fun and excitement. hsd caters to vips and has vip sections, if you roll like that and like to enjoy these type of high profile club extras and perks. as far as i know, each designated vip section requires you to spend a certain amount depending on the section. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pn0qdjqdyo
as for sky trax disco, it is located at the corner of fields ave / constain st. not sure, but i think operating hours / costs are the same as high society. plays mostly techno music and seems to cater to an asian crowd. popped my head in a couple of times for 5-min at a time, but the atmosphere didn't really suit my tastes. believed i may have seen several fls, but can not verify with certainty.
sm mall fls: about 4:30pm during the afternoon / day, i decided to checkout sm mall, for something to do and wanted to see what their imax theater was playing, (300:rise of the empire, p400. other regular movies p130-140). suddenly while walking around, two young cute girls give me the "hey, hey, pssst.", while i was going down the escalator and they were going up. one was really cute and the other wasn't bad, but not as pretty. thought they looked a little young so i ignored them. minutes later i saw them looking at me from above and then oddly enough when i exited the mall 30-minutes later, they were right there behind me.
just outside sm, i stopped to take a breather and they stopped and bought an ice cream and then walked by me and stat down on a bench. pretty soon they where calling me over and ask me to sit with them. we talked a bit, exchanged cell numbers and i then bought them a bowl of tagalog soup (wasn't sure what was in the soup, but they enjoyed it). after some small talk, they asked what i was doing and if they could join me. ok, so i ask them their ages and they said they were 18 and 19. although i didn't readily believe them, i played along as we walked from sm mall back towards my hotel.
upon reaching my hotel, i decided to test them by inviting them to stop at a beer bar about a block away from my hotel, to have a drink. naturally they declined and said they were "shy and did not drink". the beer bar had about six (6) girls working there and were equally interested in why these girls didn't want to sit and drink. i went over to them (standing several feet away) and told them they could order water / juice or pop, they still declined. that was all i needed to know. obviously they weren't 18. later while finishing my beer at the bar, i receive a text msg asking for money to take a jeepney home. i give them p50 and told them goodbye. like i said, be careful!
the local town's people: a byproduct of taking long walks down some strange looking streets and roads, was meeting and getting to know a few local town's men, women and children, if even for a few minutes. much of stantos st. and significantly towards the bottom, you'll find a hub of activities and perhaps some of interest. everything from church services, street basketball, outdoor pool, various markets, vendors selling their wares, to karaoke. some people my find the area unpleasant, uncomfortable and dirty, but then again if you're into a little adventure, such places are quite charming and rewarding it you take a moment to socialize with the locals.
several times i stopped awhile with some very nice locals and bought a few beers (p35) , snacks and food, while we sang karaoke (p15) or shoot the shit. they (the locals) had a good laugh, as i tried karaoke for the first time, trying to sing,"open arms" by journey. i even had to laugh at myself, as i made an ass of myself, trying to hit the high notes. it was all in good fun and everyone had a good time. but what was even funnier, was one of the local men was trying to fix me up with one of his nice 'good girl' cousins. looking back on the deal, i should have asked for pictures (lol) , but i graciously declined his offer and bought him another beer.
on wednesdays only, there is a mini-market place, where locals sell clothing, household goods, nick-nacks and other trinkets. check-it out you may find something of interest, as you pass by. so don't be shy, buy a friend a beer (p35) , or a kid a bottle of mountain dew (p12) , stay awhile and chit chat about sports, politics, religion, wives, girlfriends or whatever comes to mind.
summation:
surprisingly so, angeles turned out to be a doozie of fun for this novice and despite the efforts and cries from many of the beautiful pinoy sirens, i managed to find what i was looking for in the several low-profile, low-keyed places. so my ac visit, basically consisted of three (3) fl / sw girls walking in the street in-and-around santos st, a couple of sw found just outside abc hotel, a couple from perimeter road bars and two (2) from high society disco. depending on the girl, st was p700-1500 and lt was 1500-2500. although i enjoyed strolling around and picking-up fl and sws, be careful with **** girls propositioning you, especially on santos st.
definitely just want i wanted in an ac trip and just want i got. no hassles, no fuss, no worries. nice lazy days and afternoons spent walking around checking things out, sleeping in with said girl or having a drink while fondling a few of my favorite gals in perimeter road bars. inauguration ac trip, was relaxing, enjoyable and very memorable. looking forward to ac once again, as well as other destinations in the philippines.
before my crazy trip to phils, i decide to research few hotels that looked interesting, most of which were compared from a budget traveler's perspective and some for a 'day-in-the-sun', so to speak. my other reasoning was to acquire a personal barometer range of hotels from high-to-mid-to-low, so that in the event of a subsequent trips, i could plan accordingly. much of the undertaking proved fruitful, but i wouldn't recommend 'hotel hopping', for the faint of heart. looking back on this trip, i probably did more 'hotel hopping' than bar hopping on fields ave. (see ac hotel section)
That was an excellent report Spidy. Thanks a bunch.
Mr Enternational
05-02-14, 02:46
surprisingly so, angeles turned out to be a doozie of fun for this novice and despite the efforts and cries from many of the beautiful pinoy sirens, i managed to find what i was looking for in the several low-profile, low-keyed places. so my ac visit, basically consisted of three (3) fl / sw girls walking in the street in-and-around santos st, a couple of sw found just outside abc hotel, a couple from perimeter road bars and two (2) from high society disco. depending on the girl, st was p700-1500 and lt was 1500-2500. although i enjoyed strolling around and picking-up fl and sws, be careful with **** girls propositioning you, especially on santos st.
definitely just want i wanted in an ac trip and just want i got. no hassles, no fuss, no worries.i hope this dispels the rumors that it is not a good idea to deal with fl or sw in ac. this guy claims to be a novice, yet he had zero problems doing just that. thanks for the great report spidy.
Depending on the girl, ST was P700-1500 andAnybody else out there find FL girls asking over 1k for ST?
Mr Enternational
05-02-14, 09:47
Anybody else out there find FL girls asking over 1k for ST?Next to never. Long time is usually 1000.
Econo Tech
05-02-14, 12:14
If true, this is funny. And is the reality of all things Philippines.
Saw on another site.
Some trivia from Obama's visit last week.
A couple of days before Obama's arrival in Clark, a couple of men from his Secret Service security detail advance party were checking out Perimeter when two motorcycle riders decided to rob them. These bodyguards fought back and managed to overpowered the robbers.
The problem came when they decide to hand over these robbers to the local police as the PNP finest refused to accept custody of the robbers nor accept the report of the attempted robbery.
After several calls were made to those "upstairs", a police team from Manila finally arrive to attend to the incident.
Great report, Spidy. Just to note though, the problem with NAIA isn't so much arriving as leaving. Then you can find yourself at the back of a one-hour line of OFWs even before you check in, never mind the delays at immigration and security and the complete lack of decent food and drink in the departure 'lounge'. For anyone who wants to do both Manila and AC in the same trip, I recommend arriving in Manila and then, if possible, flying out of Clark. Against all odds, Cebu Pacific is doing a good daily flight to Bangkok now, and more remarkably, their website is actually accepting credit cards. Tiger must have taught them how to do that.
Wicked Roger
05-02-14, 15:03
Against all odds, Cebu Pacific is doing a good daily flight to Bangkok now, and more remarkably, their website is actually accepting credit cards. Tiger must have taught them how to do that.Cebu Pac has always accepted credit cards Betong. Well mine for the last 2-3 years. My issue is PAL who insist on seeing the credit card and the ID of the person's card if that person is not flying. Cebu Pac do not which why I prefer it.
Both customer care call centres are totally slow and useless IMHO. What would take 5 mins with a decent first rate airline has in my humble (and somewhat frustrating experience) taken 45-60 minutes as they operator likes to repeat everything 5 times.
PussInThePants
05-02-14, 15:11
i am not sure were you get this notion about most of the women seeing under 18, but that is wrong. might you be one a plant form one of the right wing christian groups like the imj? bar owners have no need for under 18, and most are very, very carefully about it. also, have you seen how many ideas and certifications the women have to go through from the municipality?
or, it would be that you have not mongered much in asia or spent time with young asian women; some young women do look young.
in any event, watch what you say on this forum; many of us take it very seriously to only be with adult women, and spreading rumors about the presence of **** girls without clear evidence is irresponsible. our hobby has no place for such, just as it has no place for minors.well, i am not an irresponsible gossip mongerer to say something like this or a novice to form this kind of impression. i have been mongering for the past four years and have covered thailand, vietnam and phillipines in depth. in fact this is my 4th trip to ac, this time the scenario was different. i was very surprised to see at least 20% of the girls being so young. in fact, i invited some young looking girls in q bar and nemesis and i asked for the ids. what they provided was a pathetic looking card with no photo in it and on insisting the mamasan provided an id card with a different looking girl. everything looked very suspicious. in fact one of the girl told me they bring these girls to satisfy the japanese and korean clientele who are very picky about the girls (no marks, young looking).
i am in sabang now and when i came here one of the ferry guys told me that i will get many 16, 17 year olds here. i can see a few asian guys even hanging around with those kind of very young looking guys. i don't know if this is a recent phenomenono not but its ruining things for everyone.
Mr Enternational
05-02-14, 15:56
Against all odds, Cebu Pacific is doing a good daily flight to Bangkok now, and more remarkably, their website is actually accepting credit cards. Tiger must have taught them how to do that.It was the same with Tiger / SEAir as is for many Asian carriers. I have found the same on Air Asia, Nok Air, Sri Lankan. The problem is not with the company; it is with the browser you are using. The credit card payment will not work on Google Chrome. It's best to use Internet Explorer. I can't remember if they work in Firefox or not.
For anyone who wants to do both Manila and AC in the same trip, I recommend arriving in Manila and then, if possible, flying out of Clark.Cebu Pacific also has direct flights from Cebu to AC and vice versa.
I have found the same on Air Asia, Nok Air, Sri Lankan.Nok Air is known for their sexy, cute, young stewardesses. Nok Air used to give passengers a photo calendar featuring the sexy stewardesses but I don't know if they still do. Nok Air management was criticized (probably by some fat ass Western sows) for doing this but as far as I know Nok Air ignored the criticism.
It was the same with Tiger / SEAir as is for many Asian carriers. I have found the same on Air Asia, Nok Air, Sri Lankan. The problem is not with the company; it is with the browser you are using. The credit card payment will not work on Google Chrome. It's best to use Internet Explorer. I can't remember if they work in Firefox or not.Hmm, that's interesting, thanks for that. That makes sense because close to a year ago I flew Cebu to BKK on Cebu Pacific. And Ya, I was using Firefox and paid by cc.
I can confirm what Sam 14 wrote. Recently I've booked flight tickets at the Cebu Pacific website and used my credit card for the payment. Everything worked well and passed smooth in Firefox.
Hmm, that's interesting, thanks for that. That makes sense because close to a year ago I flew Cebu to BKK on Cebu Pacific. And Ya, I was using Firefox and paid by cc.
It was the same with Tiger / SEAir as is for many Asian carriers. I have found the same on Air Asia, Nok Air, Sri Lankan. The problem is not with the company; it is with the browser you are using. The credit card payment will not work on Google Chrome. It's best to use Internet Explorer. I can't remember if they work in Firefox or not.
Pip Jaeger
05-02-14, 21:53
The problem is not with the company; it is with the browser you are using. The credit card payment will not work on Google Chrome.I've booked online at Cebu Pacific's website using Google Chrome on an iPad (as well as via Safari on both an iPad and laptop) and had no issues. Maybe it's just if GC is running on a Windows machine? Or your bank / credit card issuer?
In any event, if it doesn't work for someone on GC, then easy enough to do via another browser. In addition to GC and Safari I also sometimes use Atomic Lite and Terra on my iPad as they can be set to emulate Explorer for pages that won't load properly in anything but Explorer (rare nowadays, but it does happen).
Just finished my cherry visit to AC and would like to share my thoughts on several AC bar girl subject areas,
SNIP
For those looking for updated go-go bar pricing, checkout the following URL www.asianescapades.com/free/interactivemap/prices.php, for a fairly current, updated list of bars to choose from, depending on your budget and tastes.
SNIP
And Spidy, great report! The link you provided also gives excellent interactive maps for both AC and Subic too, thanks!
Mr Enternational
05-03-14, 04:30
I've booked online at Cebu Pacific's website using Google Chrome on an iPad (as well as via Safari on both an iPad and laptop) and had no issues. Maybe it's just if GC is running on a Windows machine? Or your bank / credit card issuer?
In any event, if it doesn't work for someone on GC, then easy enough to do via another browser. In addition to GC and Safari I also sometimes use Atomic Lite and Terra on my iPad as they can be set to emulate Explorer for pages that won't load properly in anything but Explorer (rare nowadays, but it does happen).It could be a Windows thing. I have at least 10 cards. What is does in Chrome is ask for the VISA security number. Go through the trouble of doing that and it declines the payment. Call the bank, and there is no problem on their end. Switch browsers and use the same cards and they work fine. And I am thinking that it only happens with VISAs. My cousin was in Malaysia once trying to use his brother-in-law's card for an online purchase on Air Asia. It didn't go through. He emailed asking me to put it on my card and he would pay me back. I put it on a MasterCard and it worked fine. So I'm thinking it's an Asian airline / Chrome / VISA thing.
LifeIsABeach
05-03-14, 04:56
Cebu Pacific is doing a good daily flight to Bangkok now, and more remarkably, their website is actually accepting credit cards.I booked a flight on Cebu Pacific to Cambodia over a year ago on the website. A separate company does the processing. Within hours of paying by CC, my credit card company called me about suspicious activity on my card. I told them about the flight payment to Cebu which they saw and they asked about another purchase after that that I did not do. Someone at the processing company that Cebu uses was using my card. It was only a small amount to test by credit card. My credit card company closed my credit card and issued me another one. Just be careful using your CC in SEA.
If true, this is funny. And is the reality of all things Philippines.
Saw on another site.
Some trivia from Obama's visit last week.
A couple of days before Obama's arrival in Clark, a couple of men from his Secret Service security detail advance party were checking out Perimeter when two motorcycle riders decided to rob them. These bodyguards fought back and managed to overpowered the robbers.
The problem came when they decide to hand over these robbers to the local police as the PNP finest refused to accept custody of the robbers nor accept the report of the attempted robbery.
After several calls were made to those "upstairs", a police team from Manila finally arrive to attend to the incident. Good try. It was two foreigners, one who had a gold chain on and two motorcycle riders made a grab and run. Problem was traffic blocked their getaway and they turn backed around and the guys grabbed them off the motorcycle and beat the shit out of them and held them until the police arrived.
2 US tourists repel MRS attack in Angeles.
Posted on April 25, 2014 at 9:15 am.
ANGELES CITY – Motorcycle-riding-suspects (MRS) on Tuesday picked wrong targets when their victims, both American tourists on pleasure trip here, put a good fight and arrested them eventually.
Senior Supt. Eden Ugale, acting director of the Angeles City Police Office (ACPO) , identified the victims as Jonathan George Haberski. 37, and Zach Kyle Williamson. 34, both American nationals staying at 6th Street, Barangay Balibago in this city.
He said the victims were also martial arts experts and trained on hand-to-hand combat.
The two foreigners, Ugale added, had just stepped out from a hardware shop along Jake Gonzales Boulevard where they bought several tins of paints when the suspects suddenly appeared from behind and grabbed Haberski's gold necklace worth P70, 000.
The suspects, authorities reported, quickly boarded their getaway motorcycle, a black Honda TMX (UU 2706) , but the victims gave chase and had them restrained.
Commotion attracted the attention of patrolling cops and apprehended the suspects past 3 pm.
Police identified the suspects as Cromwelle Cayanan. 19, of Sitio Mali, and Antonio Manarang. 31, of Maligaya Street, both of Brgy. Cutcut.
Haberski recovered the stolen necklace from one of the suspects.
Lawmen brought the suspects and the motorcycle to Station 6 for further investigation as criminal complaints ranging from robbery with intimidation and physical injury are being readied against them.
Willamson, who suffered a broken thumb in the left hand, was later brought to Angeles University Foundation Medical Center for treatment. – Jess Malabanan
Anybody else out there find FL girls asking over 1k for ST?
Next to never. Long time is usually 1000.Yep! You guys are correct, most the ST agreements were 1K or less. However, a couple of my ST'ers turned into a slightly longer engagements than the initial arrangement, so a few hundred pesos were added to the original agreement, depending on time and performance.
Cebu Pac has always accepted credit cards Betong.Ah, you've obviously got more reputable cards than I do. Maybe issued in the PI?
I had other problems with CP, including their weird middle-of-the-night schedules and their enthusiasm for cancelling flights if they didn't get enough seats booked. But I really can't complain since they took over the BKK-CRK service from Tiger. Good flight times, good fares, and so far, knock on wood, totally reliable. I don't expect it to last long but meanwhile I'll use it as often as possible.
Wicked Roger
05-03-14, 16:03
Ah, you've obviously got more reputable cards than I do. Maybe issued in the PI?
I had other problems with CP, including their weird middle-of-the-night schedules and their enthusiasm for cancelling flights if they didn't get enough seats booked. But I really can't complain since they took over the BKK-CRK service from Tiger. Good flight times, good fares, and so far, knock on wood, totally reliable. I don't expect it to last long but meanwhile I'll use it as often as possible.LOL.
I have Australian cards Betong and other countries, none have given me grief unless am in a country that the credit company deems a place of fraud (or possible fraud). Then I have serious grief.
While you maybe happy with the BKK-CRK the carrier has reduced some direct flights from Cebu to ASEAN destinations (KL, Shanghai) which means I must go to Manila (added journey time and cost).
This is almost a year old but I haven't come around to post until now, I visited Angeles City for what I think was my 5th time or so, I Have had both stunning and less good experiences in the past but I want it easy and nothing can be easier than getting a girl at Field ave.
This time I walked around as ususal around 7pm, walked past most bars going from my hotel which was Devera that time, finally I went into Brown Sugar because I like smaller bars, not the huge ones with hundreds of girls. Anyway had a beer and a seat, relaxed and watched the show for a minute until this exceptionally sexy girl went up stage, she really worked in the right place because she was more brown in her skin than most Filipinas. Petite, maybe 145cm. 55kg and relatively short hair. I pointed at her to come sit down which she did, bought her a drink and started to chat, she was 20 years old from Samar. She said she enjoyed rough sex, I began to touch er inside the bar, felt her pussy and tits with my hands, she put a hand on my cock. It didn't take long until I barfined her.
Time was very late since I had arrived at 1am already so no time to go barhopping. We went back to my room, she showered and then me. I started to eat her juicy little pussy which became wet in an instant. She gave me a BBBJ, then fucked her in various positions and finished with a huge load on her small tits, some cum sprayed onto her chin but she didn't like that. I had asked before if she take cum in face but she said no.
Here I have a question for you mongers, I doubt she will say no if I pay her P500 but I have never insisted on offering extra for such delicate things as CIF. Do girls in general accept more than they inistally say if you add some cash to the table? And if so what have you managed to get? I'm a huge fan of GS, is that possible in Angeles?
Back to report, we showered again, fell asleep but I woke her up at about 4am with some more licking of her tits, then pussy. We fucked hard again and this time I came all over her sexy little ass. She left me at 8am with a smile on her face. Really a GFE girls, I'll look hard for her next time I get to Angeles. Sorry I can't recall her name.
WestCoast1
05-04-14, 18:49
Here I have a question for you mongers, I doubt she will say no if I pay her P500 but I have never insisted on offering extra for such delicate things as CIF. Do girls in general accept more than they inistally say if you add some cash to the table? And if so what have you managed to get? I'm a huge fan of GS, is that possible in Angeles?KE: Only two posts. When your membership is fully-paid and you become a member here, please PM me (or other board regulars) and I have some good info for you regarding this.
Maestro Boy
05-05-14, 00:42
To all fellow mongers in AC, please beware that a certain bar is a bit of a rip off and try to avoid going there.
I was in the Golden Calypso last night, bar-fined a nice looking girl and went back to the hotel. After about 3 minutes of the old horizontal tango, she complains of stomach pains and couldn't continue. She said she was pregnant. Well, she did appeared to be in pain, so I returned her to the bar. The mamasan (Thelma) refused to give a refund or change to another girl. Now that has never happened to me in the Philippines. I spoke to the bar manager also, and he gave the reason as I did have sex with the girl, even it was only for 3 minutes, so no refund or exchange is possible. Then he gave some lame excuse as they are no longer allowed to provide "prostitution" in his establishment, so any such transaction is not refundable. After some spirited negotiations, still no go. Well. 2,700 Pesos was the price, and I was not going to let that sum upset me too much, but on a matter of principle I feel I should post this warning to all the fellow mongers out there: please vote with your feet and avoid the Golden Calypso.
To all fellow mongers in AC, please beware that a certain bar is a bit of a rip off and try to avoid going there.
I was in the Golden Calypso last night, bar-fined a nice looking girl and went back to the hotel. After about 3 minutes of the old horizontal tango, she complains of stomach pains and couldn't continue. She said she was pregnant. Well, she did appeared to be in pain, so I returned her to the bar. The mamasan (Thelma) refused to give a refund or change to another girl. Now that has never happened to me in the Philippines. I spoke to the bar manager also, and he gave the reason as I did have sex with the girl, even it was only for 3 minutes, so no refund or exchange is possible. Then he gave some lame excuse as they are no longer allowed to provide "prostitution" in his establishment, so any such transaction is not refundable. After some spirited negotiations, still no go. Well. 2,700 Pesos was the price, and I was not going to let that sum upset me too much, but on a matter of principle I feel I should post this warning to all the fellow mongers out there: please vote with your feet and avoid the Golden Calypso.Good advice. Thank you for informing the community.
To all fellow mongers in AC, please beware that a certain bar is a bit of a rip off and try to avoid going there.
I was in the Golden Calypso last night, bar-fined a nice looking girl and went back to the hotel. After about 3 minutes of the old horizontal tango, she complains of stomach pains and couldn't continue. She said she was pregnant. Well, she did appeared to be in pain, so I returned her to the bar. The mamasan (Thelma) refused to give a refund or change to another girl. Now that has never happened to me in the Philippines. I spoke to the bar manager also, and he gave the reason as I did have sex with the girl, even it was only for 3 minutes, so no refund or exchange is possible. Then he gave some lame excuse as they are no longer allowed to provide "prostitution" in his establishment, so any such transaction is not refundable. After some spirited negotiations, still no go. Well. 2,700 Pesos was the price, and I was not going to let that sum upset me too much, but on a matter of principle I feel I should post this warning to all the fellow mongers out there: please vote with your feet and avoid the Golden Calypso.Last week I barfined a very pretty girl from Golden Calypso too. She also did complain about stomach pain from the very first minute on. Did cut a LT session into an extremely ST session and kicked her out of the room after 10 minutes! This very poor service attitude and whining approach seems to be a SOP at Golden Calypso. So stay away from this rip-off place and forget about taking a girl from there!
Capt Munch
05-06-14, 04:04
Last week I barfined a very pretty girl from Golden Calypso too. She also did complain about stomach pain from the very first minute on. Did cut a LT session into an extremely ST session and kicked her out of the room after 10 minutes! This very poor service attitude and whining approach seems to be a SOP at Golden Calypso. So stay away from this rip-off place and forget about taking a girl from there!My barfine from Golden Calypso dates back more than a year, so maybe this is not anything new.
After a couple of visits and chats there with the my "lady" we finally scheduled our night. In the bar, LT was agreed.
We get back to my place. One pop and it is late enough to get some sleep. I was woken up about 1 AM with a "I can't sleep here, I leave" story.
And off we went.
But with the prices at Golden Calypso (high barfines and high priced ladies drinks) I have not been back.
Seems like a recurring tale now.
Munch
Last week I barfined a very pretty girl from Golden Calypso too. She also did complain about stomach pain from the very first minute on. Did cut a LT session into an extremely ST session and kicked her out of the room after 10 minutes! This very poor service attitude and whining approach seems to be a SOP at Golden Calypso. So stay away from this rip-off place and forget about taking a girl from there!Thanks for the info.
LukeSkywalker
05-06-14, 06:28
Same trick from a girl I barfined for whole night from Atlantis. Looks like the rips offs are spreading to other bars as girls are getting scarcer after the raids.
The girl wanted to get off early after 1 fuck. She was whining and acting up when we got to the hotel room. Within a few minutes of penetrating her, she was complaining about pain and wanted to leave. I promised her a tip to continue, but as I penetrated her again, she got real angry, jumped off the bed, put on her clothes and left in a huff. She was immediately back on Atlantis' stage. I posted her pics a few pages back.
My complaints and long arguments with the mamasan and the Australian manager went nowhere. They said if your dick was in her pussy, that was sex. They would not refund. They refused to address the all-night complaint.
Angeles is such a rough town that I would not want to spend my time and money on.
To all fellow mongers in AC, please beware that a certain bar is a bit of a rip off and try to avoid going there.
I was in the Golden Calypso last night, bar-fined a nice looking girl and went back to the hotel. After about 3 minutes of the old horizontal tango, she complains of stomach pains and couldn't continue. She said she was pregnant. Well, she did appeared to be in pain, so I returned her to the bar. The mamasan (Thelma) refused to give a refund or change to another girl. Now that has never happened to me in the Philippines. I spoke to the bar manager also, and he gave the reason as I did have sex with the girl, even it was only for 3 minutes, so no refund or exchange is possible. Then he gave some lame excuse as they are no longer allowed to provide "prostitution" in his establishment, so any such transaction is not refundable. After some spirited negotiations, still no go. Well. 2,700 Pesos was the price, and I was not going to let that sum upset me too much, but on a matter of principle I feel I should post this warning to all the fellow mongers out there: please vote with your feet and avoid the Golden Calypso.
Greetings.
I'll be heading to AC soon and have been reading the last few pages. Have a couple of question.
Firstly: Proof of age. I do not want to pick up any minors, but am a horrible judge of age. Is there any specific documentation I should ask for if I am interested in taking a lady back to my hotel? I know there is no bulletproof methods but am interested to learn any other tips to prevent a mistake.
Secondly: Go go bars. I like to be a bit touchy / feely with a lady and am quite selective when it comes to taking one back to my room. The question is how far can you go at a go go bar? Is it acceptable to buy a lady a couple of drinks or better to tip? How much is a LD and is it unusual for people to get a little intimate without doing a barfine?
ThatGuy865
05-06-14, 18:40
Same trick from a girl I barfined for whole night from Atlantis. Looks like the rips offs are spreading to other bars as girls are getting scarcer after the raids.
The girl wanted to get off early after 1 fuck. She was whining and acting up when we got to the hotel room. Within a few minutes of penetrating her, she was complaining about pain and wanted to leave. I promised her a tip to continue, but as I penetrated her again, she got real angry, jumped off the bed, put on her clothes and left in a huff. She was immediately back on Atlantis' stage. I posted her pics a few pages back.
My complaints and long arguments with the mamasan and the Australian manager went nowhere. They said if your dick was in her pussy, that was sex. They would not refund. They refused to address the all-night complaint.
Angeles is such a rough town that I would not want to spend my time and money on.Luke
Once you have sex with the girl. Its a done deal. The "All night' session is only when / if the girl wants too. There has never been a guarantee of "All night". One pop and no refund has been the standard always. Some girls who realize this and want to game the system do what she did to you.
There are some bar Owners that show more customer goodwill and may give refund or partial refund to some, depending on how they feel about that customer. But the standard rule has always been once you had sex. The deal is done.
In today's climate. Most BM or Mamasan don't want to admit to or discuss BF's now a days with the prospect of a Raid. To get a refund is probably impossible now. Unless you are a long time customer known to both mommie and BM.
Fast Eddie 48
05-06-14, 22:05
Last week I barfined a very pretty girl from Golden Calypso too. She also did complain about stomach pain from the very first minute on. Did cut a LT session into an extremely ST session and kicked her out of the room after 10 minutes! This very poor service attitude and whining approach seems to be a SOP at Golden Calypso. So stay away from this rip-off place and forget about taking a girl from there!To Lakeside / Mastreo.
Sorry to hear about the bad experience it happen to all of us, look like Golden Calypso is the place to avoid in AC there are many bar in AC bar owner want happy customer, if you have a good relation with the bar owner and have got half the barfine back or got a new girl many time in AC, just be nice to the owner or the manager and buy them a drink be reason don't startind screaming at the bar and demand a refund that just get you kick out of the bar or worst you ass kick.
Fast Eddie 48
John Traveller
05-06-14, 23:11
Rumours are that there are no more raids because of Obama's base treaty. With US soldiers in the bars the raiders stay away. And the PI needs the Americans to fight the Chinese, who is borrowing money to to the Americans, who give them to the Pinoy. What irony!
FruitNinja
05-06-14, 23:29
Luke
Once you have sex with the girl. Its a done deal. The "All night' session is only when / if the girl wants too. There has never been a guarantee of "All night". One pop and no refund has been the standard always. Some girls who realize this and want to game the system do what she did to you.
There are some bar Owners that show more customer goodwill and may give refund or partial refund to some, depending on how they feel about that customer. But the standard rule has always been once you had sex. The deal is done.
In today's climate. Most BM or Mamasan don't want to admit to or discuss BF's now a days with the prospect of a Raid. To get a refund is probably impossible now. Unless you are a long time customer known to both mommie and BM.Another reason not to pay upfront. Negotiate at the bar. If I forget and the girl give me sh*t I'll boot her out the door with $0. 00. I'll lose the bf. It's better than haveing a sh*t session. You got to get an understanding before you barfine her. Apparently now the girl collects everything so you're in the drivers seat.
Mr Enternational
05-07-14, 02:24
Another reason not to pay upfront. Negotiate at the bar. If I forget and the girl give me sh*t I'll boot her out the door with $0. 00. I'll lose the bf. It's better than haveing a sh*t session. You got to get an understanding before you barfine her. Apparently now the girl collects everything so you're in the drivers seat.Glad I read your post first. I don't understand it either. Why continue to pay first then when things aren't going good offer more money for her to do what she was supposed to be doing in the first place? And you have the nerve to call yourselves mongers. And you guys really fear freelancers? It looks like the girls at the bars are the ones you should be wary of.
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