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LifeIsABeach
05-07-14, 03:01
Rumours are that there are no more raids because of Obama's base treaty. With US soldiers in the bars the raiders stay away. And the PI needs the Americans to fight the Chinese, who is borrowing money to to the Americans, who give them to the Pinoy. What irony!The bases have not been decided yet. Originally, Clark was on the list but PI did not want to include commercial airports for the Americans. I have seen Subic on the new list. Clark is no longer a military base.
Key Master
05-07-14, 13:54
Same trick from a girl I barfined for whole night from Atlantis. Looks like the rips offs are spreading to other bars as girls are getting scarcer after the raids.
The girl wanted to get off early after 1 fuck. She was whining and acting up when we got to the hotel room. Within a few minutes of penetrating her, she was complaining about pain and wanted to leave. I promised her a tip to continue, but as I penetrated her again, she got real angry, jumped off the bed, put on her clothes and left in a huff. She was immediately back on Atlantis' stage. I posted her pics a few pages back.
My complaints and long arguments with the mamasan and the Australian manager went nowhere. They said if your dick was in her pussy, that was sex. They would not refund. They refused to address the all-night complaint.
Angeles is such a rough town that I would not want to spend my time and money on.You guys act like this is something new with this stuff. This will always happen in this type of environment. I don't think it's prevalent in that everyone is doing that because I haven't had that happen to me in quite a long time, but I think it's been partially luck and also maybe good gut instincts. Just for clarification, a few months ago I took two different barfines out of Golden Calypso and both stayed the night with me. We never talked about long time or short time. Both were attractive and the most expensive barfines in the place. In Atlantis, I've always been hesitant to take from Dollhouse Group bars, but especially there. I've had two out of there and both stayed the night no issues. But at the same time, I have rejected many I've sat with just because they said they only do short time or my gut said don't do it. I've taken from Crystal Palace, Dollhouse, and Club Asia also and think it's the same deal just like any of the bars. There will be short time women in all of them so you take your chances. Just make sure if you really want to have a long time session is to choose wisely. How do you do that? I've been doing this a long time and maybe my perception is better than most, I don't know. I just know that to say one bar or bar group is all the same with the women working in them is to me just frustration and anger for the most part. Maybe I'm still ok looking for my age and don't smell bad or whatever. I think there is probably a lot of reasons these short time sessions happen but some could be the guy, but most probably because of the woman.
Key Master
05-07-14, 14:11
Another reason not to pay upfront. Negotiate at the bar. If I forget and the girl give me sh*t I'll boot her out the door with $0. 00. I'll lose the bf. It's better than haveing a sh*t session. You got to get an understanding before you barfine her. Apparently now the girl collects everything so you're in the drivers seat.Really? Don't give her anything and give her the boot. You think that's a smart response or one that may cost you more later? Third world country full of adults with minds and emotions like children and you want to teach them a lesson.
Personally I'm not into the Thai gogo system and don't mind the barfine situation here in Angeles. To me, it tends to raise the prices overall with negotiate on your own in a gogo scene. Be careful what you ask for. I don't like EDSA women's attitudes and somewhat Burgos' thus the reason I rarely go there anymore now.
Last week I barfined a very pretty girl from Golden Calypso too. She also did complain about stomach pain from the very first minute on. Did cut a LT session into an extremely ST session and kicked her out of the room after 10 minutes! This very poor service attitude and whining approach seems to be a SOP at Golden Calypso. So stay away from this rip-off place and forget about taking a girl from there!I have no doubt you (and the previous ISG punter) were given unacceptable service, but I have always had good luck there even when Golden Calypso was named Cambodia. Last November I hooked up with this very accommodating door girl named Marie Leslie; BTW, she's still there. About the others, I'd talk directly to Hollywood, the super fat guy that manages the place. I've known him to be a pretty cool dude.
Sang Kancil
05-08-14, 07:35
Greetings.
I'll be heading to AC soon and have been reading the last few pages. Have a couple of question.
Firstly: Proof of age. I do not want to pick up any minors, but am a horrible judge of age. Is there any specific documentation I should ask for if I am interested in taking a lady back to my hotel? I know there is no bulletproof methods but am interested to learn any other tips to prevent a mistake.
Secondly: Go go bars. I like to be a bit touchy / feely with a lady and am quite selective when it comes to taking one back to my room. The question is how far can you go at a go go bar? Is it acceptable to buy a lady a couple of drinks or better to tip? How much is a LD and is it unusual for people to get a little intimate without doing a bar fine?Hi,
To be in safer side, get your gal from a bar, FL can be a risky business. Minor issue, set up by her gang when one guy claims to be her bf or husband. The MIB will be om their side and you would end up paying these vultures a lot of money.
In the bar, you can call any dancer / waitress / doorgal / mummy you fancy. Buy them a LD (don't fall for double LD). Tell them clearly that your order is a single LD. A SML is considered DLD which costs up to P300. If you lost interest with the gal, pack them off and go for other prey.
Cheers,
Sang Kancil
FreebieFan
05-08-14, 09:56
Rumours are that there are no more raids because of Obama's base treaty. With US soldiers in the bars the raiders stay away. And the PI needs the Americans to fight the Chinese, who is borrowing money to to the Americans, who give them to the Pinoy. What irony!The Chinese are borrowing money to the Americans? The Chinese hold a huge amount of American debt (about 23%) by way of Treasury notes and bonds, done to keep the Yuan / Rmb cheap and so protect Chinese export prices, but I'm not sure the Chinese are borrowing (you mean lending?) to the Americans.
And we all know what happens when a Pinoy says "can I borrow money"
The mamasan (Thelma) refused to give a refund or change to another girl.Just to give credit to a bar for the opposite experience, a couple weeks ago I took a girl from Bar Hoppin' who turned out to be having her period. To be fair, it was just starting and maybe she hadn't quite known, in that clueless way they have here. So I marched her right back to the bar where the mama-san immediately apologized and gave me my money back. I appreciated the fact that she didn't even try to sell me on another girl. So there are still plenty of honest bars who take care of their customers.
Of course the only problem is that there's hardly ever a doable girl in Bar Hoppin'. Golden Calypso it ain't.
FruitNinja
05-08-14, 15:04
Really? Don't give her anything and give her the boot. You think that's a smart response or one that may cost you more later? Third world country full of adults with minds and emotions like children and you want to teach them a lesson.
Personally I'm not into the Thai gogo system and don't mind the barfine situation here in Angeles. To me, it tends to raise the prices overall with negotiate on your own in a gogo scene. Be careful what you ask for. I don't like EDSA women's attitudes and somewhat Burgos' thus the reason I rarely go there anymore now.KM,
I've not had to do this often but am prepared to do it if need be. I'm not worried about third world anything. I've been to 60 countries in my life. Some a dozen times. The only place I have ever had a problem in was Prague. I wouldn't take getting ripped off in my own country and I'm not taking it there. I am very aware of my surroundings here and abroad. I don't walk around scared here nor will I there. Vultures smell fear. I'm confident in my abilities to get my way out of binds. This is all I'll say on this matter. If you want to walk around scared that's up to you.
Key Master
05-08-14, 15:32
KM,
I've not had to do this often but am prepared to do it if need be. I'm not worried about third world anything. I've been to 60 countries in my life. Some a dozen times. The only place I have ever had a problem in was Prague. I wouldn't take getting ripped off in my own country and I'm not taking it there. I am very aware of my surroundings here and abroad. I don't walk around scared here nor will I there. Vultures smell fear. I'm confident in my abilities to get my way out of binds. This is all I'll say on this matter. If you want to walk around scared that's up to you.Well I guess you are a ninja and that's your feelings. I didn't say to walk around scared, but there is a thing called common sense. If you want to choose to walk a path like that, no one here is going to change that. We've seen how some people in the Philippines decide to retaliate. Everyone decides on their own poison and it's their choice. That's all I'll have to to say on this matter with you also.
LukeSkywalker
05-11-14, 07:58
All my all night deals in Manila went perfectly. Manila girls were better-looking and had good attitudes.
AC bar fine system stinks. I would not waste time going to AC again.
Luke
Once you have sex with the girl. Its a done deal. The "All night' session is only when / if the girl wants too. There has never been a guarantee of "All night". One pop and no refund has been the standard always. Some girls who realize this and want to game the system do what she did to you.
There are some bar Owners that show more customer goodwill and may give refund or partial refund to some, depending on how they feel about that customer. But the standard rule has always been once you had sex. The deal is done.
In today's climate. Most BM or Mamasan don't want to admit to or discuss BF's now a days with the prospect of a Raid. To get a refund is probably impossible now. Unless you are a long time customer known to both mommie and BM.
LukeSkywalker
05-11-14, 08:10
I got perfect understanding with the girl and mamasan at Atlantis, that she would go anywhere with me stay all night until 9 the next morning with unlimited sex in any style at any time. Paid the bar fine to the mamasan, firmly believing I was going to get a few good fucks with that girl.
Back in the hotel, I stuck my dick into her pussy all of 5 minutes when she claimed she was in great pain and had to run back to show her face on Atlantis' stage. She was complaining and bitching the whole time. I did not even come. I could never guess major bars like Atlantis would screw their customers so badly.
Got ripped off the same way with a very pretty Thai bar girl. At least the Thai girl let me screw her passionately for half an hour before she ran out of the room. I was staying at the Livingston Lodge, a nice clean place to enjoy girls' company.
Asian pussies are screwing their customers in more than 1 ways.
Another reason not to pay upfront. Negotiate at the bar. If I forget and the girl give me sh*t I'll boot her out the door with $0. 00. I'll lose the bf. It's better than haveing a sh*t session. You got to get an understanding before you barfine her. Apparently now the girl collects everything so you're in the drivers seat.
LukeSkywalker
05-11-14, 08:22
But It's the bars' management fault to let any of their girls rip off customers. That will hurt the bars' business for the girls' short-term profit.
I took another girl from Atlantis. She was willing to stay all night, but I got turned off with her droopy boobs and saggy body. She was offering to bring me more young girls etc. But I got disgusted. So I let her go after 1 fuck.
The good-looking girls will cut short and run out, and the ugly girls would not leave. Either ways you lose.
AC girls are rough and rude peasants. I had much better times in Manila. Will never come back to AC.
Just to give credit to a bar for the opposite experience, a couple weeks ago I took a girl from Bar Hoppin' who turned out to be having her period. To be fair, it was just starting and maybe she hadn't quite known, in that clueless way they have here. So I marched her right back to the bar where the mama-san immediately apologized and gave me my money back. I appreciated the fact that she didn't even try to sell me on another girl. So there are still plenty of honest bars who take care of their customers.
Of course the only problem is that there's hardly ever a doable girl in Bar Hoppin'. Golden Calypso it ain't.
AC girls are rough and rude peasants.This is what they turn into from being spoiled! You know who to thank for that!
- Angeles is a shithole, but I still like it. But not as much as before.
- Out of the bars I went to, I thought Atlantis was the best (in terms of beauty). That's if you like girls that are skinny and relatively cute. But they probably are not the best performers.
- Mamasans are now called Head Waitresses. It's because of the raids. They are scared now.
- Some bars still have barfines. Some bars you have to pay the girls at the hotel.
- Barfines are higher than previous years. More bars are now asking for 3000 pesos on Fields for the top level barfine. There are also 2000 and 2200 levels.
- Many girls now seems to be expecting additional tips.
- Many girls now don't even want to do 3 hours. They say they want to leave after "you finish". Those were the girls with class; they were honest.
- Had a bad experience at the bar below the Golden Pharaoh. It is owned by the same group that own the Golden Pharaoh and Golden Calypso. Those 3 bars are all together. I barfined 2 girls. Negotiated for 3 hours. They left after 40 minutes. Even though I knew I wouldn't get a partial refund, I went back to the bar and asked the Mamasan / Head Waitress for a partial refund. She said she will ask the manager. Of course she said the manager said no. I say fuck the group that owns the Golden Pharaoh and Golden Calypso. That being said, I do admit that I will return there eventually; I do like one girl that works there. But I will go less; overall, they lost money on that deal. You can't boycott every bar that will not treat you right.
FruitNinja
05-14-14, 22:29
- - Had a bad experience at the bar below the Golden Pharaoh. It is owned by the same group that own the Golden Pharaoh and Golden Calypso. Those 3 bars are all together. I barfined 2 girls. Negotiated for 3 hours. They left after 40 minutes. Even though I knew I wouldn't get a partial refund, I went back to the bar and asked the Mamasan / Head Waitress for a partial refund. She said she will ask the manager. Of course she said the manager said no. I say fuck the group that owns the Golden Pharaoh and Golden Calypso. That being said, I do admit that I will return there eventually; I do like one girl that works there. But I will go less; overall, they lost money on that deal. You can't boycott every bar that will not treat you right.Did you pay upfront?
LukeSkywalker
05-15-14, 04:55
Ran into quite a few rude and nasty girls in Bangkok.
Next are bar girls in AC, then a few in LA Cafe.
Yep. The old geriatric guys who sit in a daze around the bars, with their watery eyes and drippy noses, spoil the girls with their pension money...hehe.
This is what they turn into from being spoiled! You know who to thank for that!
You guys act like this is something new with this stuff. This will always happen in this type of environment. {S N I P} I think there is probably a lot of reasons these short time sessions happen but some could be the guy, but most probably because of the woman.I enjoyed your post.
I have never mongered in AC, although I have lived in Asia for much of the last 30 years (and I have driven past many times going to a holiday house in Zambales). I am mainly a freebie fan, although I P4P at times.
What you write could be applicable to many places in Asia. Intuition, as you say, is very important. It is what I rely on to decide if I am going to invest further time, effort and money in a SYT. A friendly and confident approach, seeing if you click, and using intuition and common sense, definitely significantly increases one's probability of a successful and satisfying encounter.
It is my understanding that the bar plays no part in whether the girl stay for LT or ST only. And if the girl says that you penetrated her, even if for just a few seconds, then no refund is the standard procedure (and of course most bars will not admit to being in the P4 P loop in these trying times).
If punters understood all these points before going to AC, then maybe some would have a more enjoyable time. Of course there are others who will rarely have a good time.
Congratulations on a thoughtful and insightful post.
Cheers.
Ran into quite a few rude and nasty girls in Bangkok.
Next are bar girls in AC, then a few in LA Cafe.
Yep. The old geriatric guys who sit in a daze around the bars, with their watery eyes and drippy noses, spoil the girls with their pension money...hehe.It is becoming more and more hit and miss in AC. Gone are the days girls were friendly and will stay till morning.
Occassional gems can be found. I love DIA girls who are better.
Mr Enternational
05-15-14, 13:42
It is becoming more and more hit and miss in AC. Gone are the days girls were friendly and will stay till morning.Hold that sky is fallling theory. I've never had an AC girl try bullshit on me. The difference could possibly well be your age. In the old days (when your were younger) girls would stay all night etc etc. Now you are older and experiencing that things are not how they used to be, while still there are others reporting 100% satisfaction rate. So it possibly may well be the man in the mirror. As has always been said about this P4P thing, YMMV. And now that your car is an older model maybe the hot chicks just aren't as willing to jump into it with you as they were when it was spanking brand new. People think it's all about the money, yet there are some who are getting freebies and cheapies while others literally can't pay a chick to stay with them or do what she is supposed to.
Did you pay upfront?Yes, the bar below the Golden Pharaoh requires the barfine to be paid upfront.
The sky is not falling. But statistically, more girls do not want to stay longtime and do not want to do the things they promised.
Girls here and other places (such as Cambodia) are not as desperate as before. It seems they have more options.
Hold that sky is fallling theory. I've never had an AC girl try bullshit on me. The difference could possibly well be your age. In the old days (when your were younger) girls would stay all night etc etc. Now you are older and experiencing that things are not how they used to be, while still there are others reporting 100% satisfaction rate. So it possibly may well be the man in the mirror. As has always been said about this P4P thing, YMMV. And now that your car is an older model maybe the hot chicks just aren't as willing to jump into it with you as they were when it was spanking brand new. People think it's all about the money, yet there are some who are getting freebies and cheapies while others literally can't pay a chick to stay with them or do what she is supposed to.In my "experience" and in my "words" most AC girls are non-pros and just off the farm. Most are there for a short period of time to earn what ever amount they need. The attitude that "I paid for it and should get what I want" does not go very far with most girls. On a previous trip, I eyed a newly arrived girl there and be'fined her. I gave her the 2 k and she went to change clothes. 5 minutes later she came back and handed me back the 2 K and said I was her first BF and that she was too scared to go! I thought maybe my old looks might have scared her off. LOL I really respected her honesty and came back the next day and we talked a bit and told her that she did not have to do anything with me that she didn't like to do. So off we went that night. Turns out her financial goal was to make 4-5 k and then go home. She had only been there a few days and hated it. I told her she could fulfill her goal with me in a few days. Needless to say I / we had a great few days and she was on her way home. On the last day as she was going out the door she throws to me her bar I'd / license and says it is all mine bc she won't be needing it any more!
Mama san wasn't too happy that her girl was awol and that she was out the licensing fee of P1200. Apparently the Mama san advances the fee for most new girls until they are able to pay it back. To maintain good graces and to be fair about it with the Mama San I paid her the licensing fee. One of my better investments. Mama San takes real good care of me now.
For me it boils down to how you treat people.
LukeSkywalker
05-15-14, 15:38
You are right that bar girls in the Phil are mostly hardened hos. You can see the looks of hostility and disgust in their eyes. They look and act more like beasts than humans. Occasionally you will find a rare girl, new to the game, who won't act like beast.
In that sense, new girls, semi pros, DIA or Craigslist girls would be better than the ugly, angry and hardened bar hos who act like hungry beasts and treat the bros like trash.
I will try DIA and Craigslist for fresh meat...hehe.
It is becoming more and more hit and miss in AC. Gone are the days girls were friendly and will stay till morning.
Occassional gems can be found. I love DIA girls who are better.
Member #4698
05-15-14, 16:37
I just visited AC, Subic and Manila and all I can say is there are still plenty really nice girls available. I am not young, but the girls all say I am a handsome man, LOL, so who am I to disagree, but seriously, I never had one bad experience this trip, quite the opposite. I had many great experiences. All my girls aimed to please me, all were good in bed, a few were unbelievable in bed, and all stayed the night or as long as I wanted them to.
What's the secret to my success? Not much. All I do is I act like an experienced punter who likes women. Actually I love women. I always treat my girls nice and act as if we are on a date, a p4p date to be sure and where I am ultimately in charge, but still a date. I buy them drinks in the bar. That is a key part of the interview / audition process. I never take a girl that does not appear to want me or who has not been "friendly" if you know what I mean. After I barfine them, I continue to make the girls feel comfortable and at ease. AND LASTLY, I know how to pleasure a girl and make her feel good.
So when I read that others are not having the same experiences as I in the PI with bar girls, I begin to wonder where exactly the problem is.
Hold that sky is fallling theory. I've never had an AC girl try bullshit on me. The difference could possibly well be your age. In the old days (when your were younger) girls would stay all night etc etc. Now you are older and experiencing that things are not how they used to be, while still there are others reporting 100% satisfaction rate. So it possibly may well be the man in the mirror. As has always been said about this P4P thing, YMMV. And now that your car is an older model maybe the hot chicks just aren't as willing to jump into it with you as they were when it was spanking brand new. People think it's all about the money, yet there are some who are getting freebies and cheapies while others literally can't pay a chick to stay with them or do what she is supposed to.Well, It is not the age thing in Phi. 18 years old girls proudly walk with older men everywhere.
It is just that girls, mamasans, bar owners have become smarter. They tell the fresh girls everything. How to make money with least bit of damage. It is partly us mongers fault. We accept it.
In AC it is all about money. Spotlight girls demand 3000 BF and they are no better looking than other 1500 BF girls.
Only through dating sites you can get good looking girls who are much friendlier and better GFE service.
I just returned from a month in Angeles. My experience this time was the best of all my trips so far.(YMMV).
I had no problem with runners. Of course I stayed away from the big bars. My best and most frequent performer I met on FaceBook a year ago.
The talent in the blow row bars was fair and I ended up bar fining 2 for multiple LTs.
The Dr. Tomorrow will decide when I will be able to go back again. I really didn't want to leave this time!
Member #3892
05-16-14, 06:39
At Hi Jack.
That sounds good to me.
In another forum I read that the most blow row bars are closed. Is that true?
Q: when you had a girl from blow row for a Lt, got her cellphone no. – can you call her for Lt? Or have you always go there and pick her up at the bar?
How is the barfine procedure there now? Pay the lady afterwards?
What is the current price for LT?
I will start my cherry trip to AC in one week.
Yep. The old geriatric guys who sit in a daze around the bars, with their watery eyes and drippy noses, spoil the girls with their pension money...hehe.No, it's the Koreans! They've contributed nothing good to the scene.
LukeSkywalker
05-16-14, 07:51
Well, may be you are right. Korean and Japanese currencies are much stronger than the peso, so they can afford to waste it on the girls.
Koreans tend to go to bars in groups of 4 or 5. They are a rowdy bunch, make lots of noise, and like to impress each other on how much money they spend on the girls. It looks as if they are there to entertain the girls, and not the other way around. Japanese tend to be more reserved and quiet.
I checked out a few Korean-exclusive bars allegedly, with the best-looking girls. I was grossly disappointed. The girls were young but below average in looks on AC scale. The Japanese karaoke bars had older girls. They look more polished and mostly do karaoke singing to entertain their clients.
I went to a top-tiered brothel for locals off MacArthur highway. They had tall, good-looking girls charging IIRC 3000 peso for an hour on the premises. That brothel had a serious crew of security guard dressed in black uniforms, toting automatic assault rifles, M-16 and AK-47. It gave me the creep.
I took a few very nice and good-looking young girls from casas in Manila and 2 from LA Cafe. They were very satisfying, primarily because they could communicate in English. I guess I don't like to screw deafs and mutes. The student was new at LA Cafe was horny. She showed me Manila and could not wait to get back to bed for sex. She really turned me on and was one of very few girls I went bareback with...
Will have to try the semi pros in DIA and Craigslist. A bro posted pic of a very good-looking nymph with natural hairy beaver... Definitely worth exploring...
No, it's the Koreans! They've contributed nothing good to the scene.
BrainDrain
05-16-14, 09:04
So when I read that others are not having the same experiences as I in the PI with bar girls, I begin to wonder where exactly the problem is.I agree. I've had numerous trips now to Ac over the past three years and always leave happy & write the FR.
What's the secret to my success?
That is a key part of the interview / audition process. I never take a girl that does not appear to want me or who has not been "friendly" if you know what I mean. After I barfine them, I continue to make the girls feel comfortable and at ease. AND LASTLY, I know how to pleasure a girl and make her feel good.
So when I read that others are not having the same experiences as I in the PI with bar girls, I begin to wonder where exactly the problem is.The problem is that we are not like you. I'm paying for it. I want to tell them "suck here" "kiss this". Of course no wonder some of them renege and want to leave early. But we made an agreement with all the details at the bar.
In the old days, the girls were more sweeter and more reliable.
In another forum I read that the most blow row bars are closed. Is that true?Incorrect. The bars on A. Santos Street are open, as of last week. The barfine on the small bar right next to the Penthouse was 700/1500 (ST/LT) 2 weeks ago and 800/? last week. At that bar, you pay the barfine beforehand.
Koreans tend to go to bars in groups of 4 or 5. They are a rowdy bunch,I would say they are less "rowdy" than the young Aussie types. But I don't mind either group.
I just visited AC, Subic and Manila and all I can say is there are still plenty really nice girls available. I am not young, but the girls all say I am a handsome man, LOL, so who am I to disagree, always treat my girls nice and act as if we are on a date.Hi Natty, I have a similar MO and hear the girls say the same things (hamsum) even though I am way past my prime. I have a good mix of bargirls and DIAs. These girls are among the sweetest and sexiest in the world. I love going to the PI! I will be there all next month rotating between MNL, several parts of Cebu, Dumaguete and AC. If anyone wants to meet up for San Migs please let me know!
Streetlooker
05-16-14, 19:58
At Hi Jack.
That sounds good to me.
In another forum I read that the most blow row bars are closed. Is that true?
Q: when you had a girl from blow row for a Lt, got her cellphone no. can you call her for Lt? Or have you always go there and pick her up at the bar?
How is the barfine procedure there now? Pay the lady afterwards?
What is the current price for LT?
I will start my cherry trip to AC in one week.I personally am a Santo blow row LT fan. Also the bars over at Raymond when they was open. WHY. Because they know what their jobs are and they don't give you BS stories about leaving early or not preforming in bed like the go go girls do. They set a price for the transaction and they fulfill the terms. It least this has been my observation and experience. To many times on the fields bars the girls say they will stay with you LT or will do this or that in bed and when you are back at the hotel the excuses start. With the BR girls you will get a blow and a go around in the sheets just like you want. Bar girls its a crap shoot.
At Hi Jack.
That sounds good to me.
In another forum I read that the most blow row bars are closed. Is that true?
Q: when you had a girl from blow row for a Lt, got her cellphone no. can you call her for Lt? Or have you always go there and pick her up at the bar?
How is the barfine procedure there now? Pay the lady afterwards?
What is the current price for LT?
I will start my cherry trip to AC in one week.Everything Greenbud said in post # 14367 is pretty much right on!
Member #3892
05-17-14, 08:41
.... With the BR girls you will get a blow and a go around in the sheets just like you want. ..In AC BR stands for Blow Row girls. In Pattaya it stands for Beach Road girls. I have good experience with BR-girls in Pattaya. So I will have good experiences with BR-girls in AC.
Jochen.
The problem is that we are not like you. I'm paying for it. I want to tell them "suck here" "kiss this".Sounds like a recipe for both you and the girl to have a fairly miserable time.
Natty is right. A little consideration / romance goes a long way in the PI.
Key Master
05-18-14, 11:41
Obviously a lot of people have different feelings on what it is or what it isn't. We only know from our own personal experiences in the end. All this talk about everyone short timing is pretty much a joke for me. This trip I've had women stay until 3-4 pm multiple times and in no rush to go. Normally they are out of here by sometime late morning or 1 pm for me. This trip they've been staying longer than I'm used to. I'm just saying. I've also had women I drank with that said flat out short time only and I couldn't get them to even reconsider. I don't get worked up about it and unless they are offering me something really special like they're super super hot or going to make great memories, I usually just say thanks and nice to meet them in the end.
I'm always a proponent of making sure to look at myself in the mirror as unbiased as possible and see if it could be me. Hey we aren't getting any younger, and things change. For me, I think I've kept in pretty good shape for my age and it helps me I think. I've talked to quite a few women here and they're straight out not accepting all bar fine offers. They'll pass unless they get someone they like and are comfortable with. Now that's not going to be the case with everyone obviously. I'm just talking about women that are attractive enough to get offered plenty of drinks most nights. That's where things are probably out of hand somewhat is that they can make decent money just getting drinks now. Those new San Miguel beers with apple or lemon are very sweet so they're easier to drink and they're 50 pesos more in their pockets. I am saying this because I ask these women why they haven't barfined so late on a busy night and basically get they didn't like the person who offered it to them enough to go. They'll be others who won't refuse any barfines I'm sure, but obviously there's a trend where some can be more picky. I guess they're learning they don't have to go with the first offer. I don't think you're going to find that they'll all say what they're saying to me that they didn't want to go with the other guys unless they're willing to go with you in the first place though. You can say they're just lying to me and were never offered, but I'm pretty confident that that's not the case.
I saw the same thing going on in Subic also. One woman I've been with gets lots of drinks and I was shocked and who she didn't go with on occasion when I saw her drinking with other customers. I thought they looked clean cut and gentlemanly but she still was saying no to them.
It is what it is now. I think cell phones have changed the dynamics a lot also. I won't get into that. I still enjoy myself. There's a good handful of people in here blasting that things are getting worse, but I'm having probably one of my best trips ever here currently.
Natty is right. A little consideration / romance goes a long way in the PI.I agree.
Sounds like a recipe for both you and the girl to have a fairly miserable time.Sometimes correct. But when they do what was agreed upon at the bar, then I'm happy :)
I've talked to quite a few women here and they're straight out not accepting all bar fine offers. They'll pass unless they get someone they like and are comfortable with. Now that's not going to be the case with everyone obviously. I'm just talking about women that are attractive enough to get offered plenty of drinks most nights. That's where things are probably out of hand somewhat is that they can make decent money just getting drinks now.I've talked to one cute girl (who I had one of my best experiences with. Not all are bad). She said she gets an average about 10 per night (including the bell rings). She makes approx 1000 pesos a night on lady drinks (when she doesn't leave early). Some guys give her unlimited drinks, so she said she learned how to drink San Miguels (for her 100 pesos). Cute girls have a lot more options than before.
Dick Hertz
05-18-14, 16:07
On the plane ride in I hear alot of couple talking about going to AC. At the time I thought nothing of it because I figured that they would be in the Clack freezone and the guys could seak away for some fun. I was suprise to see the same couple staying in the heart of the action and the wives bitching at the husbands about everthing. Never bring sand to the beach.
Dick Hertz
05-18-14, 16:21
Hit AC and I use to be a believe that the best girls where on field st but learn my lesson. You can find quaity in the small clubs to and for a smaller bar fine. It will take some extra time but it is worth it.
Obviously a lot of people have different feelings on what it is or what it isn't. We only know from our own personal experiences in the end. All this talk about everyone short timing is pretty much a joke for me. This trip I've had women stay until 3-4 pm multiple times and in no rush to go. Normally they are out of here by sometime late morning or 1 pm for me. This trip they've been staying longer than I'm used to. I'm just saying. I've also had women I drank with that said flat out short time only and I couldn't get them to even reconsider. I don't get worked up about it and unless they are offering me something really special like they're super super hot or going to make great memories, I usually just say thanks and nice to meet them in the end.Well put, KM. Ought to have this one in with the distinction threads.
I've had three gals offer to accept facials in the last ten months. I didn't ask, they offered. Bless their hearts. Maybe they crossed paths with AsianRain and his creamy Asian "rain".
One was an AC ponytail, one was a Manila freelancer, the other an apparently ordinary gal (in Visayans) with a regular job.
Nevertheless, I'll agree with Betong and Natty to a certain degree. I present my best X Man charm, with a dose of over confidence, and they swoon. No, actually, they don't swoon. But I seem to get my way. I can be a pretty nice guy if I have to be.
Sometimes as things start getting worked up, I ask if I can talk dirty. I don't think I've ever had a refusal. Sometimes they go farther than I do. "My bf will kill you. Pull my hair. Fk me harder.you can fk me in the ass if you want". That was just one gal within a ten minute period. Wow. (full disclosure. That was not an AC gal, a "grad student" DIA gal).
Someone here said the cell phone changes the game. I'd say a message board like this also changes the game. Not to mention Internet porn and performance enhancing vitamins. We see that some ladies in Makati are asking for 5 k or more. But you can find some pretty lean, mean, fugging machines for 700 in AC. What's a budget traveler to do? And then (some of us) share notes on ladies (thanks guys. You know who you are). And then some of us get all kinds of kinky things in mind after watching porn. And, last but not least, we can keep our half century rods stiff as a bone all night long. Been there, done that.
Give the girls a break, she might have had a busy night, morning and early afternoon before you met her. She needs her beauty sleep. X.
Sounds like a recipe for both you and the girl to have a fairly miserable time.
Natty is right. A little consideration / romance goes a long way in the PI.
Chris Long
05-21-14, 00:40
Will be in AC for two months and will have to use ATM machines. Where is a reliable ATM in AC. Is the mall the best place to use them.
Thanks,
Chris
Capt Munch
05-21-14, 07:53
From the local news. Here in Angeles City (as of last night, April 20th, Valhalla apeared open and Gecko's did not).
Tuesday, May 20,2014.
Angeles City- Combined elements of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) and Angeles City Police Station 4 recently conducted simultaneous entrapment and rescue operations against suspected human traffickers and their victims in at least two bars in Barangay Balibago, this city.
CIDG Provincial Officer Police Chief Inspector Heryl Bruno, in a report, said the joint group swooped down on Wild Geckos Cocktail Lounge and WE 4 you / Valhalla Resto Bar along Walking Street, Fields Avenue. Bruno disclosed that the CIDG has been receiving reports about "alleged [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) activities taking place at the two bars" in violation of Republic Act 9208 or the Anti-[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) in Person Act of 2003 as amended by RA 10364, and against Angeles City Ordinance 43-10, series of 1995.
"Human Traffickers must not doubt the resolve of the CIDG to bring to justice and prosecute to the full extent of the law those who prey upon and sexually exploit vulnerable young women for their own greed and enrichment and the victims are often recruited and lured from the provinces by 'mamasans' with false promises of decent work and better lives when the truth is they are selling the victims into the sex trade," said Bruno.
He said that during the raid, the CIDG rescued dozens of women allegedly being trafficked and pimped for sexual services to foreign nationals were rescued and are under the care of police, while the Angeles City Prosecutor's Office found probable cause to indict for violation of are. A .9208 WE 4 you / Valhalla Resto Bar owners Rodnie E. Pilapil, Lerma M. Marbell and Matilde S. Cruz, and Gecko Cocktail Bar operators Fe Eleanor Germina and Jacklyn Sagun.
"We will hunt them down if necessary so they better wake up to the fact that there will be zero tolerance for human traffickers who will stand accountable for their criminal offending in court. Aside from that, the victims are again being placed in grave danger because of the very real risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases including AIDS and HIV from these foreign nationals," stressed Bruno. (JTD).
Published in the Sun. Star Pampanga newspaper on May 21,2014.
Link: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/local-news/2014/05/20/police-bust-[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909)-rings-343920.
Will be in AC for two months and will have to use ATM machines.
ChrisShouldn't be a problem. I have used the ATM's in front of ABC Hotel and near Jollybee at Checkpoint. Nothing to complain. The ATM's in SM mall work as well.
Nothing to worry! Only thing, probably your bank will give you a lousy exchange rate.
Enjoy!
Nothing to worry! Only thing, probably your bank will give you a lousy exchange rate.
This has not been my experience Ekspat. I know you are a seasoned traveller but I have found that the exchange rates that I get from my bank for ATM withdrawals in foreign currencies are very competitive and often better than money changer rates.
Of course, I also have an account which does not charge me for foreign ATM transactions. These can quickly mount up if you need to pay them with your own bank.
This has not been my experience Ekspat. I know you are a seasoned traveller but I have found that the exchange rates that I get from my bank for ATM withdrawals in foreign currencies are very competitive and often better than money changer rates.
Of course, I also have an account which does not charge me for foreign ATM transactions. These can quickly mount up if you need to pay them with your own bank.Care to kindly share the Bank and / cc? I have a Chase card that doesn't charge transaction fees. Not sure of the rest as I have never tried for fear of the unknown fees.
Will be in AC for two months and will have to use ATM machines. Where is a reliable ATM in AC. Is the mall the best place to use them. Thanks, ChrisHi Chris! I'll be in AC June 23 - 26 at Orchid Inn. Let me buy you some beer -- I have been wanting to thank you for all your great travel info. I want to invite Eks, too, if you are there then. Meanwhile, if anyone spots any busty babes prior to my arrival I would really appreciate details. Thanks, guys!
Wicked Roger
05-21-14, 19:28
Aside from that, the victims are again being placed in grave danger because of the very real risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases including AIDS and HIV from these foreign nationals," stressed Bruno. (JTD).
Published in the Sun. Star Pampanga newspaper on May 21,2014.
Link: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/local-news/2014/05/20/police-bust-[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909)-rings-343920.Interesting that only foreigners can give pinays HIV and not the outer way around. Similarly he does not mention the use of condoms LOL.
And when I travelled to BKK a while back with 2 cuties they we told "only the westerners traffic girls so you must be careful" - while trying to get their contact details LOL.
Works one way only and is why it is more fun in the Philippines.
Chris Long
05-21-14, 19:29
Shouldn't be a problem. I have used the ATM's in front of ABC Hotel and near Jollybee at Checkpoint. Nothing to complain. The ATM's in SM mall work as well.
Nothing to worry! Only thing, probably your bank will give you a lousy exchange rate.
Enjoy!Thanks for the information very helpful.
Chris
Chris Long
05-21-14, 19:30
Hi Chris! I'll be in AC June 23 - 26 at Orchid Inn. Let me buy you some beer -- I have been wanting to thank you for all your great travel info. I want to invite Eks, too, if you are there then. Meanwhile, if anyone spots any busty babes prior to my arrival I would really appreciate details. Thanks, guys!I should be there at that time I arrive in country May 30th and will be in Asia until August 11th. I'll PM you my number once I arrive in country.
Chris
Fast Eddie 48
05-21-14, 21:07
Care to kindly share the Bank and / cc? I have a Chase card that doesn't charge transaction fees. Not sure of the rest as I have never tried for fear of the unknown fees.To DG8787.
I have a chase freedom visa they charge in ATM oversea they always charge me a transaction fee.
Fast eddie 48.
From the local news. Here in Angeles City (as of last night, April 20th, Valhalla apeared open and Gecko's did not).
He said that during the raid, the CIDG rescued dozens of women allegedly being trafficked and pimped for sexual services to foreign nationals were rescued and are under the care of police, while the Angeles City Prosecutor's Office found probable cause to indict for violation of are. A .9208 WE 4 you / Valhalla Resto Bar owners Rodnie E. Pilapil, Lerma M. Marbell and Matilde S. Cruz, and Gecko Cocktail Bar operators Fe Eleanor Germina and Jacklyn Sagun.
"We will hunt them down if necessary so they better wake up to the fact that there will be zero tolerance for human traffickers who will stand accountable for their criminal offending in court. Aside from that, the victims are again being placed in grave danger because of the very real risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases including AIDS and HIV from these foreign nationals," stressed Bruno. (JTD).
Published in the Sun. Star Pampanga newspaper on May 21,2014.
Link: http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/local-news/2014/05/20/police-bust-[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909)-rings-343920.Maybe if they truly wanted to stop all bar fining, they should close hygiene and stop issuing the girls licenses to work in the bar...wait that will stop the money.
Capt Munch
05-22-14, 02:22
maybe if they truly wanted to stop all bar fining, they should close hygiene and stop issuing the girls licenses to work in the bar...wait that will stop the money.sure. and if you wanted to believe in this perfect world. in the pi.
all those same city agencies that are responsible for issuing the "said" licenses would also somehow be responsible for checking the birth dates as required for the young ladies licenses.
and, there wouldn't be a problem for the bar owners having **** girls working in their bars.
right?
but then, the new raids are more about the girls being trafficked and less about the **** issue.
i was talking yesterday with a fellow that suggested that if you see a few filipinos in a bar buying girls lots of drinks and trying to get them to "go out" then it may be time to make a hasty departure from that venue. seemed like good advice!
munch
Capt Munch
05-22-14, 02:28
Meanwhile, if anyone spots any busty babes prior to my arrival I would really appreciate details. Thanks, guys!DC,
Saw one yesterday. Prancing down Walking Street with the obvious assets you might like.
As you know, they are here. Just somewhat in the minority.
It will require quite a bit of research.
I couldn't tell by her clothes what bar she might have worked at (may have been a waitress), but an obvious veteran here.
Munch
Capt Munch
05-22-14, 02:43
Shouldn't be a problem. I have used the ATM's in front of ABC Hotel and near Jollybee at Checkpoint. Nothing to complain. The ATM's in SM mall work as well.
Nothing to worry! Only thing, probably your bank will give you a lousy exchange rate.
Enjoy!Ekspat,
I know you are a veteran of Angeles. And have probably used the ATMs more than I have (which would be never).
Just a word of caution for the travelers coming here, there have been a couple of incidents of reported "skimming" devices here. This is not unique to the Philippines and the same caution should be used anywhere nowadays.
I don't use the ATM's here but I have noticed that more of the ATMs have the lighted blinking card slot which I think is supposed to help identify the there is NOT a skimmer in place.
This article from today.
2 Bulgarians held for ATM skimming.
By Ding Cervantes, Ric Sapnu (The Philippine Star).
Updated May 20,2014 - 12:00 am.
Camp Olivas, Pampanga, Philippines Police officers arrested two Bulgarian men for allegedly putting a skimming device in an automated teller machine (ATM) at a mall in Mexico, Pampanga.
Mladenov Emil Stoyanov, 22, and Karnev Lyuven Georgeiv, 28, were arrested after a bank client reported to the mall security guards that the ATM has two pin pads with a card skimmer, said Chief Superintendent Raul Petrasanta, Police Regional Office 3 director.
Petrasanta said before the arrest, the suspects were seen loitering and watching the ATM booth.
The two were held by mall security guards until police officers arrived.
Investigators reportedly found in the suspects' possession three data cables that matched the ATM card skimmer, a screwdriver and a laptop computer with decoding software.
Petrasanta said they have coordinated with the Bureau of Immigration (BI) office in Clark Freeport to verify the status of the Bulgarians.
Link: http://www.philstar.com/nation/2014/05/20/1324926/2-bulgarians-held-atm-skimming.
This was supposedly at the SM Mall in San Fernando. Though not here in Angeles City, it is the second report that I know of this year. Maybe the news reports that make the print are the ones where those pesky foreigners are responsible and there are actually more incidents than that.
Capt Munch
05-22-14, 03:08
interesting that only foreigners can give pinays hiv and not the outer way around. wr.
i found that comment also interesting... even though any actual reported numbers here in the philippines still seem to indicate the new cases are predominantly a result of homosexual contact and drug users. (i am not quoting a reference specifically, but the newspapers generally report this somewhat monthly at approx. 80% falling in these two categories) maybe this is for everybody's peace of mind.
i had a conversation with a tourist here recently about basically this. he was asking about the "hygiene" checks that the girls undergo here in ac and was wondering how often they get tested for hiv / aids.
i did try to tell him that the weekly checks were very "basic" and to the best of my knowledge... any extensive checks happen... never?
i did suggest that hiv / aids testing is available (and where) ... so maybe he will be on a mission to provide some of the young ladies with testing. who knows?
along the same thread, the last time one of my acquaintances was in town for his second visit, he was reporting that at one larger walking street bars, that 30 of the dancers had been reported to have hiv. amazing that rumors like this even get started here (especially from a new visitor) ... since that would indicate that the testing is indeed very comprehensive which it is not.
there are always a few cherry girls rep001tered about the bars... that would reduce the risk... almost to nothing.
munch.
I want to invite Eks, too, if you are there then. Too bad, I won't be around. Me now in Makati, going back to Malaysia early June. Then back in Makati 29th of June. Anyone free for a SMB in Burgos?
but I have found that the exchange rates that I get from my bank for ATM withdrawals in foreign currencies are very competitive and often better than money changer rates.Of course, I also have an account which does not charge me for foreign ATM transactions. Hmmm, neither am I charged with fees for ATM transactions and I can speak for my bank only, but the exchange rates I usually get after a withdrawal, my goodness, I'm in tears every time. So from my experience I try to avoid it.
Mr Enternational
05-22-14, 05:19
Hmmm, neither am I charged with fees for ATM transactions and I can speak for my bank only, but the exchange rates I usually get after a withdrawal, my goodness, I'm in tears every time. So from my experience I try to avoid it.Exactly. It took me all of once to learn that lesson. The Philippines is no doubt a country where it is better to bring cash to exchange rather than using an ATM. The same thing happens when I am buying my ticket on Cebu Pacific online. If you choose to pay by the US $ option the rate of exchange that they use will screw you.
Econo Tech
05-22-14, 06:31
along the same thread, the last time one of my acquaintances was in town for his second visit, he was reporting that at one larger walking street bars, that 30 of the dancers had been reported to have hiv. amazing that rumors like this even get started here (especially from a new visitor) ... since that would indicate that the testing is indeed very comprehensive which it is not.
there are always a few cherry girls rep001tered about the bars... that would reduce the risk... almost to nothing.
munch.if you know filipinos, when they have a fall out, one common way to seek revenge on the other is to accuse the other of having hiv.
heck even kris aquino went on tv to accuse her then ex of having given her std.
recently a friend accused her ex of being infected with hiv, mers ands a few std.
i knew better than to ask her which of these i will get from her, while i was snagging her brains off.
p.s, knowing a doctor, was told for the payment they get, health certification is limited to height, weight etc and a cursory inspection of the body.
does the city council pay for complete medical?
KE: Only two posts. When your membership is fully-paid and you become a member here, please PM me (or other board regulars) and I have some good info for you regarding this.If you had given me some polite answers instead if playing smartass maybe I would have stayed here.
Dark Vader
05-22-14, 07:40
Exactly. It took me all of once to learn that lesson. The Philippines is no doubt a country where it is better to bring cash to exchange rather than using an ATM. The same thing happens when I am buying my ticket on Cebu Pacific online. If you choose to pay by the US $ option the rate of exchange that they use will screw you.The Mastercard / Visa wholesale exchange rates are generally the most competitive rates that you (as a private citizen) are likely to be able to get. What screws it up is the loading / fees that may be applied by your card provider or the local bank. There are 3 types of fees:
1) An exchange rate loading applied by your card provider.
2) ATM withdrawal fees charged by your card provider.
3) Cash withdrawal fees charged by the ATM provider.If you shop around you can generally find card providers that will not charge (1) and (2). (3) is harder to avoid but banks like Citibank on MacArthur do not charge withdrawal fees.
https://www.mastercard.com/global/currencyconversion/
http://usa.visa.com/personal/card-benefits/travel/exchange-rate-calculator.jsp
I should be there at that time I arrive in country May 30th and will be in Asia until August 11th. Ill PM you my number once I arrive in country. ChrisGreat! Thanks, Chris! Thanks, Munch, too, for spotting the busty one. I know they are not easy to find in PI.
If you had given me some polite answers instead if playing smartass maybe I would have stayed here.There you go again Westy hurting peoples' feelings. Oh the humanity!
FreebieFan
05-23-14, 02:24
He said that during the raid, the CIDG rescued dozens of women allegedly being trafficked and pimped for sexual services to foreign nationals were rescued and are under the care of police, while the Angeles City Prosecutor's Office found probable cause to indict for violation of are.
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P.Dear Mr Bruno, If you are doing such good work in rescuing these fine young ladies, please could you tell me why, when a "rescue" operation is taking place, the girls try to run away from the CIDG personel.
Why is they try and succeed in climbing out the back of the buses you use.
Could it be they don't actually want to be rescued. Or should I say kidnapped. Opps.
With Love, The Monger Family.
If you know Filipinos, when they have a fall out, one common way to seek revenge on the other is to accuse the other of having HIV.This is quite true but the dirty little secret of the Angeles sex scene is that bare backing is very common due to the inexperience of the sex workers in this location.
When you consider that many of the customers have just come off the plane from Thailand where HIV is an acknowledged problem then its probably fair to say that STD's including HIV are a real and growing problem in Angeles (& PI in general). Do the math, one guy barebacks & infects a girl, she barebacks 10 customers, those customers bareback 5 other girls who bareback 10 more customers each. Yeah the numbers grow exponentially.
Many of the sex workers here work only for a few months then return to the province to bareback their Pinoy BF's & occasional foreigners who visit their location.
Take into consideration that STD monitoring in Angeles is as flaky as everything else here and you may might be so complacent.
Having said all that, its highly unlikely that 30 girls in one particular bar would suddenly contract all at once.
Use protection for your & her protection.
AV.
Maybe if they truly wanted to stop all bar fining, they should close hygiene and stop issuing the girls licenses to work in the bar...wait that will stop the money.The country is riddled with corruption. Duh.That's why we come here. (honestly, no offense intended ok?)
AV.
WestCoast1
05-23-14, 06:09
There you go again Westy hurting peoples' feelings. Oh the humanity!
If you had given me some polite answers instead if playing smartass maybe I would have stayed here.A mild apology KE. This is the Phils boards, not the columbian or DR boards. We try and shoo away non-paying members or newbs who ask questions on the open board. Please contact the older guard in PM for information (glad to give it to you there). The last thing we want is non-paying guys asking questions. Pay up a membership (if you can afford to travel, you can afford the membership).
When you consider that many of the customers have just come off the plane from Thailand where HIV is an acknowledged problem then its probably fair to say that STD's including HIV are a real and growing problem in Angeles (& PI in general). Do the math, one guy barebacks & infects a girl, she barebacks 10 customers, those customers bareback 5 other girls who bareback 10 more customers each. Yeah the numbers grow exponentially.I don't want to start a discussion here because this is not the right thread but it's not as simple as you put it here.
A HIV positive man can quite easily infect a woman with his sperm. No doubt about that.
However it's much harder for a HIV positive woman to infect a man simply because she is not squirting any body fluid into him. She can only infect him with her vaginal fluid or blood but the chances of that to happen are very small.
So it's not simple mathematics I'm afraid.
As Capt Munch already pointed out 80% of the HIV positives are homosexuals and drug users.
I don't want to start a discussion here because this is not the right thread but it's not as simple as you put it here.
A HIV positive man can quite easily infect a woman with his sperm. No doubt about that.
However it's much harder for a HIV positive woman to infect a man simply because she is not squirting any body fluid into him. She can only infect him with her vaginal fluid or blood but the chances of that to happen are very small.
So it's not simple mathematics I'm afraid.
As Capt Munch already pointed out 80% of the HIV positives are homosexuals and drug users.I agree, the 'its ok to bareback Angeles sex workers' adherents have been tediously vocal on these forums in the past.
I apologise to all members for forgetting this.
I agree, calculating relative infection risks is much more complicated than quoting bald CDC averages & certainly much more complex than 'only homo's & junkies get it'.
Again, apologies to all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HIV/AIDS_cases_and_deaths_registered_by_region
AV.
Care to kindly share the Bank and / cc? I have a Chase card that doesn't charge transaction fees. Not sure of the rest as I have never tried for fear of the unknown fees.Charles Schwab Bank ATM debit card does not have fees, does not charge a foreign transaction fee, and it refunds the charges from the ATM provider. There isn't a better ATM card than this.
All Capital One credit cards do not charge foreign transaction fees.
Love Seeker
05-23-14, 21:25
Is there action on Boracay Island?
Is there action on Boracay Island?Oh, Boracay is in Angeles? I didn't know that. Where is it in relation to Kokomos?
Is there action on Boracay Island?Wrong thread to ask. In short: Yes, semi pro's hang at the bar on the beach. Price & availability vary. Success depends on age, young guys get the girls in resorts. I advise find a SYT & bring her with you. There is ample discussion on the forum. I'm too lazy to find it for you.
AV.
NapaSlapper
05-24-14, 06:00
Planning another trip to Angeles for the end of the month but all I am hearing and reading on Angeles based forums is raid after raid with customers even being arrested.
Agasya bar in Angeles raided last night, valhalla bar also raided last night, many more bars raided last few weeks.
Is anybody on the ground (that is not a bar owner / has an agenda to talk up Angeles) that can shed some light on whether to visit or change plans to another destination that does not have raids.
whether to visit or change plans to another destination that does not have raids.German FKK Clubs don't have raids. Hope it helps.
Is anybody on the ground (that is not a bar owner / has an agenda to talk up Angeles) that can shed some light on whether to visit or change plans to another destination that does not have raids.I will be back home in my condo there June 3. Although I have little need for bars I'll let you guys know more next week. Bear in mind that raids have always been part of the AC bar scene, but I agree that arresting customers will be bad for business in the long run. With Thailand under martial law there is likely to be a displacement of sex tourists from there which may balance out losses. All in all my instincts are that its business as usual with caveats.
AV.
Planning another trip to Angeles for the end of the month but all I am hearing and reading on Angeles based forums is raid after raid with customers even being arrested.
Agasya bar in Angeles raided last night, valhalla bar also raided last night, many more bars raided last few weeks.
Is anybody on the ground (that is not a bar owner / has an agenda to talk up Angeles) that can shed some light on whether to visit or change plans to another destination that does not have raids.I think they only have EOM raids when they are short of cash. Beginning of the month should be safe!
Capt Munch
05-25-14, 02:06
Planning another trip to Angeles for the end of the month but all I am hearing and reading on Angeles based forums is raid after raid with customers even being arrested.
Agasya bar in Angeles raided last night, valhalla bar also raided last night, many more bars raided last few weeks.
Is anybody on the ground (that is not a bar owner / has an agenda to talk up Angeles) that can shed some light on whether to visit or change plans to another destination that does not have raids.I am NOT a bar owner / and don't believe that I have an agenda.
With only a 100+ places to choose from. I usually don't have a problem finding a "date" in this town. A few nights ago, I pulled a "date" from one of the bars that I infrequently go in but I had met the manager previously and also knew one of the mama-sans.
I can only remember that the one bar recently where there was a story of the customers were "arrested". This is NOT the normal mode of operation here unless the customers are possibly disrespectful of the authorities conducting the raid.
I arrived outside one of the Perimeter bars a few months ago at the end of the raid and there a policeman who calmly told me " We are conducting a raid, Sir. The bar is closed" as I was prepared to try the door and go in. I went a couple of doors down and had a drink.
The managers / mama-sans / girls that I talk to are complaining that it is SLOW and there are few customers. With the approach of rainy season, it could signal the beginning of the usual slowdown or possibly a drop in tourists.
I would think that if you look like a typical foreigner tourist that you can have a fine time here even though you might find that some of the bars are being very cautious because of the raids. Get to know a mama-san (or manager,) buy her / him a drink and have a nice chat.
I never stay out late enough (between 2 and 4 AM) to hit High Society or SkyTraxx discos but I hear they provide good after hours availability for girls also.
Munch.
I just left a report in Manila section, and will continue here on my AC adventures.
I went to AC for the ABC pool party, and for a FC girl I met online.
The pool party was great as usual. They could never have such a party in the USA due to liability. Someone will drown there eventually as the soap machine covers girls heads etc.
I was afraid of raids due to the reports, so I stayed out of the bars. I instead picked up a young and cute massage girl of fields and got a great BBBJ and massage for 1000 p. She did the usual false memory of the deal agreed to, but took the money I gave her. She was so young looking and innocent that I figured she wouldn't do it or it would suck instead it was great. What a nice suprise.
The FC girl was good too and I got her off with about 20 minutes of DATY. She then told me her period was coming soon as I spit out blood. Gross. I figured she can't get prego and dumped a load in her. She said that was dangerous. Yes, so is drinking period blood.
AC is still fun and cheaper than Manila. The bars are a pain in the ass though and to be avoided IMO.
Chris Long
05-27-14, 09:23
Taking the bus from Manila to AC (Dao) can any one give me information on how to take the bus. I will be arriving late 12:30 am this Saturday night, will probably find a hotel near Bay Café and pick up a girl from there my first night. How do I take the bus from there to AC. Can I bring my luggage on the bus I am not comfortable with leaving my luggage in the storage on the bus.
Thanks,
Chris
I think everyone should take note. (I paraphrase with my usual sarcasm) Arrests of non Filipino customers might actually hurt business in Angeles city. (Holy cow, who would have thought?).
I'm not sure what AV is referring to when he says "sex tourist", but I'm pretty sure I'd book a flight to Thailand now with the potential cheaper prices. Holy cow. X.
I will be back home in my condo there June 3. Although I have little need for bars I'll let you guys know more next week. Bear in mind that raids have always been part of the AC bar scene, but I agree that arresting customers will be bad for business in the long run. With Thailand under martial law there is likely to be a displacement of sex tourists from there which may balance out losses. All in all my instincts are that its business as usual with caveats.
AV.
Econo Tech
05-27-14, 16:03
Taking the bus from Manila to AC (Dao) can any one give me information on how to take the bus. I will be arriving late 12:30 am this Saturday night, will probably find a hotel near Bay Caf and pick up a girl from there my first night. How do I take the bus from there to AC. Can I bring my luggage on the bus I am not comfortable with leaving my luggage in the storage on the bus.
Thanks,
ChrisIf you are worried about luggage either take swag man bus, or taxi.
If I heard you correctly you don't plan to grab a bus at 12.30 am right?
Busses don't operate at that hour except longer distance busses like to Baguio, Abra and the likes.
AC isn't far enough for midnight travel.
Mr Enternational
05-27-14, 18:09
Taking the bus from Manila to AC (Dao) can any one give me information on how to take the bus. I will be arriving late 12:30 am this Saturday night, will probably find a hotel near Bay Caf and pick up a girl from there my first night. How do I take the bus from there to AC. Can I bring my luggage on the bus I am not comfortable with leaving my luggage in the storage on the bus.Go outside and find a taxi and tell them to take you to the bus station in Pasay. The bus station closest to AC is called Dau (pronounced Dah-oo). You can either board the bus that you see with that sign on front (usually the second stall from the ticket booth) and pay later on during the ride when the attendant comes to take the money, or you can go to the ticket booth and tell them you want to go to Dau. 9 times out of 10 when I have gone to the window they have just pointed to which bus to get on without taking any money. There is no problem leaving your luggage down below. Most of the locals won't have luggage to put below so there is just mostly freight down there. There will not be any room in the cabin for your luggage anyway outside of a back pack that you can keep between your legs. The bus does fill up. I think the cost is 134 piso these days.
Go outside and find a taxi and tell them to take you to the bus station in Pasay. The bus station closest to AC is called Dau (pronounced Dah-oo). You can either board the bus that you see with that sign on front (usually the second stall from the ticket booth) and pay later on during the ride when the attendant comes to take the money, or you can go to the ticket booth and tell them you want to go to Dau. 9 times out of 10 when I have gone to the window they have just pointed to which bus to get on without taking any money. There is no problem leaving your luggage down below. Most of the locals won't have luggage to put below so there is just mostly freight down there. There will not be any room in the cabin for your luggage anyway outside of a back pack that you can keep between your legs. The bus does fill up. I think the cost is 134 piso these days.If you want to have a safe trip from Manila to Angeles City, go to swagman hotel in Manila (Ermita) opposite of the US Embassy and take the Swagman Bus to Angeles City. The Swagmann Bus drop you off at any Hotel in Angeles City.
Regards,
Muenchen
Chris Long
05-27-14, 21:27
Go outside and find a taxi and tell them to take you to the bus station in Pasay. The bus station closest to AC is called Dau (pronounced Dah-oo). You can either board the bus that you see with that sign on front (usually the second stall from the ticket booth) and pay later on during the ride when the attendant comes to take the money, or you can go to the ticket booth and tell them you want to go to Dau. 9 times out of 10 when I have gone to the window they have just pointed to which bus to get on without taking any money. There is no problem leaving your luggage down below. Most of the locals won't have luggage to put below so there is just mostly freight down there. There will not be any room in the cabin for your luggage anyway outside of a back pack that you can keep between your legs. The bus does fill up. I think the cost is 134 piso these days.Thanks E can you suggest a hotel around MBC I will arrive in Manila this Saturday at 12:30 am and want to spend the first night near MBC and then leave for AC in the morning will be in AC for the month of June. Thinking of spending the month of July in Pattaya what is the current situation there with the marshal law being declared. I hear everything is shut down at 10: pm.
Thanks,
Chris
ThatGuy865
05-27-14, 23:45
I can only remember that the one bar recently where there was a story of the customers were "arrested". This is NOT the normal mode of operation here unless the customers are possibly disrespectful of the authorities conducting the raid.
Munch.No customers were arrested. They were detained because none had valid I'd on them. A passport or photo copy of it, is the only valid ID (if they want to press the issue). They were all taken away and once their Identities were verified. Released. End of story.
All were back and out and about later that night. No one spent the night in Jail. Many false rumors have been started.
I think everyone should take note. (I paraphrase with my usual sarcasm) Arrests of non Filipino customers might actually hurt business in Angeles city. (Holy cow, who would have thought?).
I'm not sure what AV is referring to when he says "sex tourist", but I'm pretty sure I'd book a flight to Thailand now with the potential cheaper prices. Holy cow. X.G'day X. Correction, 'Reports' of customers arrested. I'll be there Tuesday morning. Give you a sit rep the. I wouldn't get too excited. With Thailand under martial law ill skip it. Too each his own.
Cheers.
AV.
Mr Enternational
05-28-14, 02:42
Thanks E can you suggest a hotel around MBC I will arrive in Manila this Saturday at 12:30 am and want to spend the first night near MBC and then leave for AC in the morning will be in AC for the month of June. Thinking of spending the month of July in Pattaya what is the current situation there with the marshal law being declared. I hear everything is shut down at 10: pm.My first trip to Manila whoever I asked in the hotel thread told me to stay at http://citystatetowerhotel.com.ph/accommodations.html and I have been staying there ever since. $40/ night free breakfast. Walk out the door and turn right, then make a right at the next street then a left and the next street and you will see MBC on the right. It's like a 3 minute walk.
In Pattaya they just changed the curfew to midnight - 4 am. I think by July everything will be back to normal.
If you want to have a safe trip from Manila to Angeles City, go to swagman hotel in Manila (Ermita) opposite of the US Embassy and take the Swagman Bus to Angeles City. The Swagmann Bus drop you off at any Hotel in Angeles City.
Regards,
MuenchenBus from Pasay long slow scary & uncomfortable: 200? PHP.
Fly the Bus from Swagman Ermta: Long slow comfortable: 600 PHP.
TAXI: Varies wildly. I don't recommend.
Action Transport (car) : Hard to get them to answer phones or make booking: 2500 PHP.
Hotel car: Very comfortable & fast: 3000 - 4000 PHP.
I have a private driver takes me direct from the Airport for 3000 PHP. YMMV.
AV.
NapaSlapper
05-28-14, 07:04
No customers were arrested. They were detained because none had valid I'd on them. A passport or photo copy of it, is the only valid ID (if they want to press the issue). They were all taken away and once their Identities were verified. Released. End of story.
All were back and out and about later that night. No one spent the night in Jail. Many false rumors have been started.Not sure where you get your info from Thatguy865,but its misleading to fellow would be visitors.
If as you claim customers were only detained and not arrested for the simple reason of no ID why would the police take the arrested tourist all the way from ac to camp crame in manila, surely a quick trip or phone call by the police to the foreigners hotel for ID checks would have been easier.
What really happened from sources close to the raided bar was that the foreigners were arrested and taken to Manila for the sole purpose of bribe money being obtained from the arrested foreigners, yes sure soon as the foreigners paid up the required sums they were released (dumped) to make their own way back to ac some two hours away by road.
Unfortunately PI police are in the business or robbing as much money as possible from arrested foreigners not checking ID's which produces zero peso.
Capt Munch
05-28-14, 08:34
No customers were arrested. They were detained because none had valid I'd on them. A passport or photo copy of it, is the only valid ID (if they want to press the issue). They were all taken away and once their Identities were verified. Released. End of story.
All were back and out and about later that night. No one spent the night in Jail. Many false rumors have been started.True. Plenty of rumors get started that way.
I do like your clarification. These customers were "Detained" as you indicated because they did NOT have identification.
VISITORS!
1. For those still coming to AC, it is wise to keep a COPY of your passport on you for just that reason. Keep your passport safe in the hotel.
2. I have heard quite a few reports in the last few months of the gangs (3 or 4) street boys circling tourists, one or two to distract the tourist and one of the other boys will start to fish through the pocket.
Just beware that these boys are there and tell them to stay away.
There is a stronger police presence on Walking Street after approximately 6 PM and these boys are chased off the street after that time. They usually operate during the daytime hours in and around Walking Street.
Munch.
Cheap clean small and GF.
About a 10 min walk to LA cafe.
Taking the bus from Manila to AC (Dao) can any one give me information on how to take the bus. I will be arriving late 12:30 am this Saturday night, will probably find a hotel near Bay Caf and pick up a girl from there my first night. How do I take the bus from there to AC. Can I bring my luggage on the bus I am not comfortable with leaving my luggage in the storage on the bus.
Thanks,
ChrisIf you take a yellow cab outside arrivals you get hustled to death and then over charged. Most guys go upstairs to departures and find a white cab dropping off passengers (easy). The white cab will use the meter and get you to where you're going w / out hassle. In the morning take a cab to Victory Liner Bus Depot in Pasay, buy your ticket to Dua, and a trike to hotel in AC, less than 500 p for this trip.
The new AC disappointed me w/ the current bar talent but there are a few nice babes hiding in plain sight. You might have to go thru several bars to find one of them. I thought Atlantis was as close to the old AC as there is, I miss the old AC but still a fun down and dirty town.
Good Luck
If you want to have a safe trip from Manila to Angeles City, go to swagman hotel in Manila (Ermita) opposite of the US Embassy and take the Swagman Bus to Angeles City. The Swagmann Bus drop you off at any Hotel in Angeles City.
Regards,
MuenchenSwagman is not opposite the USA Embassy. Please don't misdirect people. Swagman is north of the embassy on Flores, one block off of the Roxas Service Road. I get off across the park from Swagman and walk over. Its only 100 yards or so with plenty if cops sleeping or playing with their phones in the park. If you're coming from the south on the service road, some drivers will continue on a block north of Flores and then double back aroud so you can be dropped off directly in front of Swagman. If indeed you're contemplating taking the Swaggy bus, their schedule to AC is on their website or google Fly the Bus. If you have any questions about any of this Chris, feel free to PM me directly. Fare is 650 from Swaggy's and the bus will drop you off at or very close to whatever hotel you're staying at in AC.
Cheap clean small and GF.
About a 10 min walk to LA cafe.Not recommended to or from MBC from Tune after 9:00 pm On a good night the area around LAC can be called seedy at best. Taxi from Tune should be around 55 pesos.
I skipped AC on my last visit and will probably do so again in August. I like the place but work no longer allows me the three week holidays I used to take. I'll spend my time in Visayans. I might just get an underwater camera and do the Oslob buntanding swim again. X.
G'day X. Correction, 'Reports' of customers arrested. I'll be there Tuesday morning. Give you a sit rep the. I wouldn't get too excited. With Thailand under martial law ill skip it. Too each his own.
Cheers.
AV.
ThatGuy865
05-28-14, 18:38
Not sure where you get your info from Thatguy865,but its misleading to fellow would be visitors.
If as you claim customers were only detained and not arrested for the simple reason of no ID why would the police take the arrested tourist all the way from ac to camp crame in manila, surely a quick trip or phone call by the police to the foreigners hotel for ID checks would have been easier.
What really happened from sources close to the raided bar was that the foreigners were arrested and taken to Manila for the sole purpose of bribe money being obtained from the arrested foreigners, yes sure soon as the foreigners paid up the required sums they were released (dumped) to make their own way back to ac some two hours away by road.
Unfortunately PI police are in the business or robbing as much money as possible from arrested foreigners not checking ID's which produces zero peso.Sorry Napa. But you are absolutely wrong. They do not call your hotel. They are not in the business of trying to figure out your identity. Are you serious. PNP making phone calls on your behave.
Besides calling a hotel would NOT prove anything. 1st do you think they would take the word of a hotel desk clerk and how would the hotel clerk know anyway... 2nd you don't need to show a passport to get a hotel room. Some not even a credit card. You can pay cash.
I have been in raids. And it is at their discretion as to whether or not they let you go with a warning or take you away for you to prove your identity. I keep a photo copy of my passport for this very reason.
I am not saying they didn't extort monies from the customers. No one knows. As none said they did or didn't. That is pure speculation.. But. The reason they were detained. Was due to no ID.
If they had ID. None would have been taken. That is why it was a rare thing. An over zealous raid commander who exerted his full authority that one particular raid.
Fast Eddie 48
05-28-14, 19:50
G'day X. Correction, 'Reports' of customers arrested. I'll be there Tuesday morning. Give you a sit rep the. I wouldn't get too excited. With Thailand under martial law ill skip it. Too each his own.
Cheers.
AV.To Amavida.
I am on a business trip next month to China and Asia and China is cracking down, Thailand is having a curfew, AC and Manila is on a crack down and Jarkata is going to be in Ramadan soon so it will be a tough monger trip.
Fast eddie 48.
Sure seems like a lot of info here from 3 party sources but no facts or first hand knowledge. No knowledge of who the detainees were or if there was any. Yes, it is best to have some form of I'd on you like anywhere else in the world. From my limited experience the real poliza don't like to mess with any foreigners unless they have broken some serious law. There has not been enough info back by facts to change my next visit in June.
FreebieFan
05-29-14, 02:00
Sorry Napa. But you are absolutely wrong. They do not call your hotel. They are not in the business of trying to figure out your identity. Are you serious. PNP making phone calls on your behave.
Besides calling a hotel would NOT prove anything. 1st do you think they would take the word of a hotel desk clerk and how would the hotel clerk know anyway... 2nd you don't need to show a passport to get a hotel room. Some not even a credit card. You can pay cash.
I have been in raids. And it is at their discretion as to whether or not they let you go with a warning or take you away for you to prove your identity. I keep a photo copy of my passport for this very reason.
I am not saying they didn't extort monies from the customers. No one knows. As none said they did or didn't. That is pure speculation.. But. The reason they were detained. Was due to no ID.
If they had ID. None would have been taken. That is why it was a rare thing. An over zealous raid commander who exerted his full authority that one particular raid.Go to a photoshop, have them make a laminated card, the size of your credit card, with your passport details page and keep it in your wallet...it will save you a world of trouble, in this situation, in Thailand and anywhere, where a passport view / I'd check is required / requested by some authority figure.
AC and Manila is on a crack downWhere in Manila is a crack down? I'm in Makati right now and haven't seen anything unusual.
Go to a photoshop, have them make a laminated card, the size of your credit card, with your passport details page and keep it in your wallet...it will save you a world of trouble, in this situation, in Thailand and anywhere, where a passport view / I'd check is required / requested by some authority figure.Good advice FF. If staying longer go to Immigration & get an ACR card (Alien Certificate of Registration). Its a strong plastic card same size as a credit card & can't be argued with. You will need ID photo's, money & patience (Its WAY faster & more efficient than the past though).
AV.
Sure seems like a lot of info here from 3 party sources but no facts or first hand knowledge. No knowledge of who the detainees were or if there was any. Yes, it is best to have some form of I'd on you like anywhere else in the world. From my limited experience the real poliza don't like to mess with any foreigners unless they have broken some serious law. There has not been enough info back by facts to change my next visit in June.Margharita Station is an old established blog with a news feed from multiple legitimate news sources. They have archives going back quite a long way. Yes customers were dragged off to Camp Crame. Raids are an old established tradition in the high profile vice areas. Customer arrests are not that new, been happening on a larger scale since at least 2011 as far as I can remember. As with all dealings with people in authority, smile, speak respectfully, co-operate & carry I'd.
AV.
To Amavida.
I am on a business trip next month to China and Asia and China is cracking down, Thailand is having a curfew, AC and Manila is on a crack down and Jarkata is going to be in Ramadan soon so it will be a tough monger trip.
Fast eddie 48.I'm avoiding Thailand for obvious reasons at the moment & Ramadan rules out Indonesia until its over but PI is business as usual. Raids & crackdowns come & go like clouds in the sky here. Enjoy the Philippines!
AV.
Good advice FF. If staying longer go to Immigration & get an ACR card (Alien Certificate of Registration). Its a strong plastic card same size as a credit card & can't be argued with. You will need ID photo's, money & patience (Its WAY faster & more efficient than the past though).
ACR cards are only good for those who are staying longer term AV (as I am sure you already know).
You can only get an ACR card if you have a registered address in the Philippines.
They will ask you to show proof of residency at an address (such as a phone bill or an electricity bill) or a deed of long term rental or ownership. An address in a hotel will not count.
You also have to get a notary to witness your declaration, so be careful about making false declarations if you are trying to get round the requirements.
Chris Long
05-29-14, 07:47
If you take a yellow cab outside arrivals you get hustled to death and then over charged. Most guys go upstairs to departures and find a white cab dropping off passengers (easy). The white cab will use the meter and get you to where you're going w / out hassle. In the morning take a cab to Victory Liner Bus Depot in Pasay, buy your ticket to Dua, and a trike to hotel in AC, less than 500 p for this trip.
The NEW AC disappointed me w/ the current bar talent but there are a few nice babes hiding in plain sight. You might have to go thru several bars to find one of them. I thought Atlantis was as close to the old AC as there is, I miss the old AC but still a fun down and dirty town. Good LuckThanks Socker if your going to be in AC during the month of June let me know and I will buy you a beer.
Chris
ACR cards are only good for those who are staying longer term AV (as I am sure you already know).
You can only get an ACR card if you have a registered address in the Philippines.
They will ask you to show proof of residency at an address (such as a phone bill or an electricity bill) or a deed of long term rental or ownership. An address in a hotel will not count.
You also have to get a notary to witness your declaration, so be careful about making false declarations if you are trying to get round the requirements.As I clearly stated, if you are staying longer...
"All foreign nationals who are visa holders of Temporary Visitor's Visa or Tourist Visa who have stayed for more than fifty-nine (59) days in the Philippines.".
Source: http://www.immigration.gov.ph/index.php/services/alien-registration/acr-i-card-issuance.
Comment: If you intend to stay longer, get one as soon as you can, it makes life so much easier.
What's this about having a 'registered' address? I've never been asked for documents proving my address and there is certainly no mention of this on the checklist of required documents.
Source: http://www.immigration.gov.ph/images/FORMS/Checklist/4AlienRegistration/2.%20CDR%20ACR%20I-Card%20Issuance.pdf.
Comment: Just write any valid address on the form. Obviously you don't mention a hotel name (duh). Would anyone be staying in a hotel longer term anyway?
Notaries are a dime a dozen. At the Manila Immigration building walk outside through the wall of the old city, there is a small city of notaries etc there who will help correctly notarise & double check document requirements before you go queue up at the Immigration counters. In Angeles I'm sure there are plenty around, just ask.
With all due respect, please be scrupulously careful slinging information.
AV.
Capt Munch
05-30-14, 01:43
As I clearly stated, if you are staying longer... If you are staying longer and extend the tourist / visitor visa longer than 59 days, I believe that you will be required to get the ACR card (about 4000 php annually if I recall correctly).
Comment: If you intend to stay longer, get one as soon as you can, it makes life so much easier. Maybe.. And why not!
I made a trip to the LTO office in Tarlac to try to get my Philippines drivers license... I went with a "helper". My "helper" was the younger brother of the lady at my emissions garage and he did NOT speak any English.
It did NOT go well... I wasn't sure why the LTO did NOT issue my license that day but "reportably" required me to be in the Philippines for 6 months before I could get my license.
Well that did NOT make a lot more sense, since theoretically (and probably legally) you can only drive on your foreign drivers license for 60 days. NOW, that depends on who you talk to... The cop that stopped me at a checkpoint late one evening was quoting 45 days and others have quoted 30 days. I believe that 60 days is correct.
No reason to argue with a cop and I did not want to give up my foreign license with the ticket he wanted to issue, so he made enough money that night to feed the family for a while.
Either way, now, I believe that the original problem at LTO was related to the fact that I didn't have my ACR card process completed.
BUT that still doesn't make much more sense, since you get the ACR card on the second renewal at the 60 day mark AND at least, here in Angeles, the ACR car is NOT ready for another 30 days after that. That would still leave a space of time that would NOT be covered.
Better to just tell anyone that you arrived last week and eliminate that problem.
But logic (or selective enforcement of the rules) is NOT required to be in effect, REMEMBER where we are!
Months later and with a valid Philippines drivers license and wearing a helmet, the next time I "breezed" through a checkpoint without any hassles.
Would anyone be staying in a hotel longer term anyway? I have known plenty of guys that stay in the hotels sometimes for years, both for security and because it is easier than maintaining a residence. I don't know of any reason why simply putting down the address of the hotel wouldn't work. I had used my hotel address for some Registration / Insurance documents and would receive my mail at the hotel on my next visit (LOL).
Thanks Socker if your going to be in AC during the month of June let me know and I will buy you a beer.
ChrisWhile I was there in mid May for 11 days I took things for granted, now that I'm home I realize how great my trip was, and AC is still very worth while. There's a slow deterioration taking place but it's still worth a long plane ride to experience the AC action. PM for my personal recommendations if you like. Otherwise, thank you and enjoy yourself.
NapaSlapper
05-30-14, 06:06
Last night 29/5/14, Rum Jungle bar in subic was raided and closed down.
The two owners have been arrested and held in jail, no news if bargirls or customers were arrested too.
Will post as new info comes through.
While I was there in mid May for 11 days I took things for granted, now that I'm home I realize how great my trip was,I am in the same boat. Amen to that!
After reading through this thread and seeing the posts put up by all the naysayers (all of us are not included in the "naysayer" bracket) I 've made a decision.
With all the bar raids, arrests, ugly girls, runners, lousey food, expensive drinks, real high barfines, no barfines allowed here, etc. Etc. Etc.
I'm going back for my second month in a row after only being back in the States less then a month.
I don't know how I will be able to stand it, hehehehehe.
After reading through this thread and seeing the posts put up by all the naysayers (all of us are not included in the "naysayer" bracket) I 've made a decision.
With all the bar raids, arrests, ugly girls, runners, lousey food, expensive drinks, real high barfines, no barfines allowed here, etc. Etc. Etc.
I'm going back for my second month in a row after only being back in the States less then a month.
I don't know how I will be able to stand it, hehehehehe.Jack4765,
LOL, yes I am stuck with my plane tickets for June. I will try to make the best of it and survive some how. Looks like raids in Subic now! I have plans to visit Subic but it looks like I will have to import some girls from AC.
Fast Eddie 48
05-31-14, 22:23
Jack4765,
LOL, yes I am stuck with my plane tickets for June. I will try to make the best of it and survive some how. Looks like raids in Subic now! I have plans to visit Subic but it looks like I will have to import some girls from AC.To DG.
I alreay got my ticket also Macau to Clark on Cebu pacific is only 40 USD one way book 2 month ago just made the best of it, I can always get a flight to Bangkok or KL out of Clark not a big deal.
Fast eddie 48.
To DG.
I alreay got my ticket also Macau to Clark on Cebu pacific is only 40 USD one way book 2 month ago just made the best of it, I can always get a flight to Bangkok or KL out of Clark not a big deal.
Fast eddie 48. FE 48,
Jack and I are making light of all the bad news coming out about raids, uglies and what now. We WILL survive this and have a great time in AC. Thanks for the tip about $40 flights to Macau as backup plans.
Dg8787.
I can always get a flight to Bangkok or KL out of Clark. So you have your own private jet? There is no airline offering a direct flight KL-CRK.
Fast Eddie 48
06-01-14, 23:46
So you have your own private jet? There is no airline offering a direct flight KL-CRK. To EKspat.
Nope I don't have a private jet if I do I will go to Las Vegas and Macau not AC and I never said a direct flight you can fly to Singapore and connect another flight to KL you know.
Fast eddie 48.
Streetlooker
06-03-14, 06:00
Noticed a guy saying why a guy would stay in a hotel long term and another saying he knew a few that did. MY plan is to do this for many reasons and One is convenience and security. I will get a lot of things like electricity, hot water, cable Tv, air conditioning, a swimming pool, exercise equipment, maid service and the list goes on by staying in a hotel. Yes this is expensive every month but you don; t get caught up in lease agreements and locals banging on your door at all hrs wanting something. If you monger like I plan to It also keeps girls away by simply letting the desk know you want no visitors. The do not disturb sign is gold and guys underestimate its importance. If you have your own place the girls all know where you live and you can change not hotels on them if you get a bad one you want gone. The hotel staff works for you to keep you safe and act has a concierge service all good investments in a land of no rules. It also lets you travel the Philippines at will and stay in different towns which is another plan of mine. I am looking at it like a 2-3 year vacation.
Member #4566
06-03-14, 07:52
For long term stays you may want to consider the Marble Inn in the Diamond subdivision. It is a short walk from the Swagman hotel. Thankfully it is away from the hubbub of Fields. Yet, the Marble has arguably the best kitchen in Angeles. They give long term rates. The owners are a Swede Henrik and his Filipina wife. They have been there for years. It is close to a fitness center. Has a good bar frequented by solid Angeles expats. Yo check it out. It has been my go to place for short forays in Angeles for a long time.
I like the type of service provided by the Bangkok MPs like mango, Snow White and cherry. With all the raids and the closings, are there any bars left where one is more likely to have ladies that provide this type of service. I find that while you can ask about specific services to a mamasan, this is more of an attitude. So harder to ask for. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Streetlooker
06-03-14, 20:28
I like the type of service provided by the Bangkok MPs like mango, Snow White and cherry. With all the raids and the closings, are there any bars left where one is more likely to have ladies that provide this type of service. I find that while you can ask about specific services to a mamasan, this is more of an attitude. So harder to ask for. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
ThanksI believe the only places you can get a PSE in AC is the short time blow row type bars. There are some on Santos of course and Raymond street but a few also up on perimeter road. I believe this is because the girls in those bars know what they are there for and don; t play the shy uncertain of what your going to get like the fields bars girls do. Now I am not saying that a PSE type girl is not working in the fields bars but it is a hit or miss thing cause they have so many of the turn shy in your room types there.
Fast Eddie 48
06-03-14, 20:50
I like the type of service provided by the Bangkok MPs like mango, Snow White and cherry. With all the raids and the closings, are there any bars left where one is more likely to have ladies that provide this type of service. I find that while you can ask about specific services to a mamasan, this is more of an attitude. So harder to ask for. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
ThanksTo Sad Sam.
I don't think I ever got a PSE girl at any AC bar before but I always pick the young stunner without a lot of experience, you should go to Tulip massage in BKK for sure you will get a PSE there PI is a country to get GFE not PSE.
Fast eddie 48.
I believe the only places you can get a PSE in AC is the short time blow row type bars. There are some on Santos of course and Raymond street but a few also up on perimeter road. I believe this is because the girls in those bars know what they are there for and don; t play the shy uncertain of what your going to get like the fields bars girls do. Now I am not saying that a PSE type girl is not working in the fields bars but it is a hit or miss thing cause they have so many of the turn shy in your room types there.A few minutes chatting to various girls in a bar can quickly sort the chaff from the wheat.
Obviously if she is new then don't expect PSE. What your looking for is a girl who is experienced & on for the full thing & is into you. Not that hard really. Thai's are more likely to be mercenary about what you want (but that is changing), Pinay's less so. I'll take a little warmth & passion over robotic stuff any day, but that's just me.
AV.
I have little need of the bars these day's but I've been intrigued by all the negative comments about AC. I decided to take a jeep down from my place to main gate & do a little cooks tour. AC scene is bigger and busier than ever. At 10 pm on a Tuesday night there heaps of Caucasian punters out around and in the bars. All bars open as far I could see. I avoided the big name bars like Atlantis etc because they are all about satisfying the Korean lust for pissing money away. I popped into body shop because it has always been a lovely place for me to pick some lolly. Was'nt at all disappointed.
Had two gorgeous little spinners offering to go with me for the night (one was a cherry, gulp) when bugger me an old flame from 5 years ago steps up onto the dance stage and locks eyes with me. EWR'ed her and she shagged me all night and into the next day until I had to remind her it's. Um. Time to go back to work now darling. What's not to like?
AV.
I was by a girl from Voodoo whom I had barfined a few months ago that Voodoo wad raided last night and that there are now 31 girls from the bar (waitresses, GROs and doorgirls plus mamasan) now in jail. So far the owner had not coughed up the required "fee" hence Voodoo will remain closed until he does. The girl who I had barfined is now home and unable to pay her rent. Luckily, she said, she was able to run away and escape when the raid begun.
Looks like DIA and similar contact websites is now the way to go in Angeles City, until the madness stops. That is, of course, if one wants to guarantee his safety and avoid the chance of spending time in a PI jail.
Good luck to all.
Streetlooker
06-04-14, 19:17
I was by a girl from Voodoo whom I had barfined a few months ago that Voodoo wad raided last night and that there are now 31 girls from the bar (waitresses, GROs and doorgirls plus mamasan) now in jail. So far the owner had not coughed up the required "fee" hence Voodoo will remain closed until he does. The girl who I had barfined is now home and unable to pay her rent. Luckily, she said, she was able to run away and escape when the raid begun.
Looks like DIA and similar contact websites is now the way to go in Angeles City, until the madness stops. That is, of course, if one wants to guarantee his safety and avoid the chance of spending time in a PI jail.
Good luck to all.I am planning a trip to AC this Jan / Feb 2015 and will still go no matter how many raids take place. While it is a somewhat worry that you are in a bar that gets raided I still think the odds of this happening is pretty high. So far every raid I have ever heard of are at bars that I have never really ever been in except the Raymond street ones. Now that the massage place on Raymond is closed I most likely will not go there either. Voodoo is a good place but I been there a few early mornings which I like. 8 am with a beer and a girl on your lap what's better to start a day. However they will have king of diamonds open there in mos complex so everyone will move there. The raids are a pain and I wish it stop but I don; t think it will its the money maker now.
Chris Long
06-04-14, 19:33
I was by a girl from Voodoo whom I had barfined a few months ago that Voodoo wad raided last night and that there are now 31 girls from the bar (waitresses, GROs and doorgirls plus mamasan) now in jail. So far the owner had not coughed up the required "fee" hence Voodoo will remain closed until he does. The girl who I had barfined is now home and unable to pay her rent. Luckily, she said, she was able to run away and escape when the raid begun.
Looks like DIA and similar contact websites is now the way to go in Angeles City, until the madness stops. That is, of course, if one wants to guarantee his safety and avoid the chance of spending time in a PI jail.
Good luck to all.When did this happen. I am here now and was on walking street last night and didn't hear or see a thing.
Chris.
Chris Long
06-04-14, 19:35
I like the type of service provided by the Bangkok MPs like mango, Snow White and cherry. With all the raids and the closings, are there any bars left where one is more likely to have ladies that provide this type of service. I find that while you can ask about specific services to a mamasan, this is more of an attitude. So harder to ask for. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
ThanksAsk for Orange (door girl) at lucky number 7 bar.
Chris.
I was by a girl from Voodoo whom I had barfined a few months ago that Voodoo wad raided last night and that there are now 31 girls from the bar (waitresses, GROs and doorgirls plus mamasan) now in jail. So far the owner had not coughed up the required "fee" hence Voodoo will remain closed until he does. The girl who I had barfined is now home and unable to pay her rent. Luckily, she said, she was able to run away and escape when the raid begun.
Looks like DIA and similar contact websites is now the way to go in Angeles City, until the madness stops. That is, of course, if one wants to guarantee his safety and avoid the chance of spending time in a PI jail.
Good luck to all.Voodoo is a 24 hour bar and according to another board they were back open at 1100 yesterday.
Anyone on the ground know anything?
FreebieFan
06-05-14, 01:35
When did this happen. I am here now and was on walking street last night and didn't hear or see a thing.
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Chris.There are other boards (not ISG) that have this info. Happened apparently at 1. 30 am.
Just to make sure that the previous night was not a fluke I took a stroll down memory lane & dropped into Gecko's. They were raided last week. This week full of girls of every imaginable size, shape & age. There was one seriously over the hill unattractive one, most were doable & many quite nice ones. If you want PSE I would recommend Jainee, spread her legs in the middle of the bar & invited me to cunnilingus right there.
Hard to choose from several very nice choices but went with instinct & took the door girl Lorna who was putting out strong signals.
No disappointment & had to kick her out at mid day the next day so that I could get on with important stuff.
As far as I can see it is absolutely business as usual in AC. In 7 years I can't see what all the panic is about being discussed on this board?
AV.
Voodoo is a 24 hour bar and according to another board they were back open at 1100 yesterday.
Anyone on the ground know anything?Open when I walked past.
AV.
Streetlooker
06-05-14, 15:14
Open when I walked past.
AV.Nothing beats on the ground updates of the situation. The raids are just a side show to make the US happy that the Philippines is doing what they can about [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) so they continue to send money.
Wicked Roger
06-05-14, 15:24
Seems the CIDG etc are busy boys.
http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=10278
Maybe some are short of cash for the weekly groecries?
Capt Munch
06-05-14, 15:58
Open when I walked past.
AV.Voodoo appeared open yesterday and looked closed tonight at dinnertime. I didn't walk over to the door and try that BUT there was no-one outside at all.
There was also NOt the usual sign on the door that indicates that it was closed by the city government. So maybe they will be open again tomorrow.
A previous post did mention the King of Diamonds next door. That bar has been closed for quite a while.
Most of the bars have been opening within a few days. As AV points out Geckos is open again.
While out this evening one of the managers at one of the Perimeter bars received a text that said Honey Ko's was raided.
Have to drive by there tomorrow and take a look.
Munch.
Hello gentlemen,
I'm just wondering what time of the night do these raids occur? Would it be safer to hunt early in the evening instead?
NapaSlapper
06-06-14, 03:38
Against advice from friends on the ground in angeles city, I decided to once again visit my old hunting ground in search of LBFM.
Here's what I found, perimeter road bars very quiet indeed, visited lost in asia, mirrors, honey kos, det5,candy bar and a few others of names I cannot remember all in the afternoon.
Of the bars I visited on perimeter all I can say is very disappointed, very small numbers of girls in all bars, mostly pangit baboy (fat and ugly) did not see one girl that was barfine material in any way shape or form, sorry chaps.
2nd night was spent on fields avenue, still very few customer numbers, very small girl numbers, Atlantis bar at least had had a fair number of girls dancing on stage in various vegas style outfits, no eye contact from any of the dancers towards the customers.
Finally did spot a dancer in Atlantis bar that was at least bar fineable material if not exactly model material, but after visiting many bars and being disappointed in the girls looks / weight this one would have to do.
I proceeded to call her over to my table, asker her if she wanted a drink (300 pesos) and she proceeded to sit down and got into conversation.
She was quite entertaining in a young girly type of way so I asked her if she would like to barfine and join me for dinner and a trip to the hotel, Sir, I am a cherry girl, I cannot barfine to hotel, yes I had made the mistake of not asking her if she was a cherry girl before offering a drink.
1 girl in the whole of a 15 bar barhop over 2 days that was worth a barfine and she's a bloody cherry girl, shit I'm out of here.
10 day angeles city trip was shortened to just 3 days, of the 3 day trip 1 old girlfriend and a girl from sm mall were my bed mates, saw 2 bars raided while I was out, many street children begging, viagra sellers hustling / trike drivers hustling and rude.
Would I be returning to angeles city any time soon, straight answer, no.
Nothing beats on the ground updates of the situation. The raids are just a side show to make the US happy that the Philippines is doing what they can about [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) so they continue to send money.Correct. My Geckos BF from Wednesday night named Lorna got on to me early & offered to come to my place as a freebie last night instead of working. Her bar had blocked 5 girls from signing on for their shift due to inadequate I'd. She told me the mamma is being super careful to make sure I'd's are 100% legit. The reason being Gecko's policy is when raided to NEVER pay the bribes and always roll in a high powered lawyer to challenge the cops in court. Nice as long as you don't get lead poisoning which is not uncommon in the Phils. Interesting ha?
AV.
ok guys, as much as i enjoyed doing my bit for the team it's now time for me to return back to the quality freebies & leave the bar girls to the tourists.
stopped in at jollibee main gate for a snack after a dental appointment today. sitting at a four seat table alone watching poorly dressed idiot tourists cold canvassing girls in the restaurant & being rebuffed.
a few minutes later & highly attractive immaculately dressed 20's girl approaches my table with a tray of food & asks if the seats are taken. pretty sure she is playing off the front foot & this is just a ruse to start a conversation so after giving her time to settle in i return serve & we get into a great chat about our mutual love of travel & visits to japan. by the end of the meal we both leave with each others cell phone #'s and will be dating this week end including swim party at my condo. masarap!
like i say guy's. just stand still, they will come to you. the local boys have no money & no manners. advantage to you. dress well, use your manners & don't be afraid to drop a little coin when needed. easy peezy.
av.
1 girl in the whole of a 15 bar barhop over 2 days that was worth a barfine and she's a bloody cherry girl, shit I'm out of here.
Would I be returning to angeles city any time soon, straight answer, no.Maybe I bf'd all the good ones before you got there? Joke lang hehehe You can usually spot the cherry girls, they look younger. Jennifer in Body Shop is. In the girls defence, I wouold say that in the nights I went out the bars were all full of SERIOUSLY unattractive obese elderly men dressed and behaving at the level of trike drivers. Why would any young woman want to prostitute herself to that if she could possibly avoid it?
AV.
Pip Jaeger
06-06-14, 12:57
Maybe I bf'd all the good ones before you got there? Joke lang hehehe And let's not forget that most girls don't work 7 nights a week, especially the hotties, and that if they do take a night off then it's going to be on a slow one; like Sunday to Wednesday.
And let's not forget that most girls don't work 7 nights a week, especially the hotties, and that if they do take a night off then it's going to be on a slow one; like Sunday to Wednesday.Correct PJ. Honestly 3 days of AC bars should be enough for anyone. Friday & Saturday night is all hands on deck. Not hard to figure out really.
AV.
ThatGuy865
06-06-14, 18:44
ok guys, as much as i enjoyed doing my bit for the team it's now time for me to return back to the quality freebies & leave the bar girls to the tourists.
stopped in at jollibee main gate for a snack after a dental appointment today. sitting at a four seat table alone watching poorly dressed idiot tourists cold canvassing girls in the restaurant & being rebuffed.
a few minutes later & highly attractive immaculately dressed 20's girl approaches my table with a tray of food & asks if the seats are taken. pretty sure she is playing off the front foot & this is just a ruse to start a conversation so after giving her time to settle in i return serve & we get into a great chat about our mutual love of travel & visits to japan. by the end of the meal we both leave with each others cell phone #'s and will be dating this week end including swim party at my condo. masarap!
like i say guy's. just stand still, they will come to you. the local boys have no money & no manners. advantage to you. dress well, use your manners & don't be afraid to drop a little coin when needed. easy peezy.
av.that's great if you live there or going there for a long stay. most guys are not going to ac. to go to malls, mcdo and such. in hopes of running into a girl that may or may not want to fuck them.
the reason most (not all) guys went to ac was the availability of thousands of girls to choose from bars within a 5 mile walking distance .
i definitely don't think many guys are going to spend $1000 in air fare, fly over 15 hrs to hunt for girls in malls and restaurants. unless you are a resident or you just love pinay girls. other than those two groups. if bfing from bars ends. most will not go to ac.
Capt Munch
06-07-14, 01:28
Against advice from friends on the ground in angeles city, I decided to once again visit my old hunting ground in search of LBFM. If you have friends here in Angeles "on the ground" that already suggested that you wouldn't be any happier here in Angeles City this trip, than the last (they would seem to know your expectations and why you would be disappointed. Save your money and go somewhere else.
I may have lower expectations and as much as I like "stunners", I realize that these are ordinary girls and generally do not fall in the model category. I certainy try to pick attractive girls and stay away from the chubbies and pangit girls. There are still some wonderful experiences to be had. Had one this week with a new girl that I can only guess was starved for boom2 x. With any luck I have another new girl lined up for early next week after Auntie Flo completes her visit. In between, a regular or two, a recent acquaintance who was a cherry girl until recently but seems to have taken to her new life with boom2 x just fine and likes the practice.
2 bars raided while I was out, many street children begging, viagra sellers hustling / trike drivers hustling and rude. The bars were being raided at approx. 1:30 am, probably not the best time to find any stunners left after the K club and some regular punters have picked them up when the bars open.
So, since you have decided not to come back, it would seem that there are more choices for the rest of us but them you didn't put a big dent in the talent pool.
Munch.
I'm planning my first trip to Angeles for three days in late June. I'm seeing a lot of posts about different bars and clubs, which I appreciate, but no quotes on barfines. What are the typical barfines at a medium or small bar on fields ave for ST and LT?
Thanks
Key Master
06-07-14, 03:39
Against advice from friends on the ground in angeles city, I decided to once again visit my old hunting ground in search of LBFM.
Would I be returning to angeles city any time soon, straight answer, no.Not sure what days you went, but as mentioned Sunday. Wednesday and sometimes even Thursday can be little iffy. Some of the women just get tired of going in and don't go in. I've had trips before where I felt that there was an extreme lack of talent available but hasn't happened in a couple of years for me. I was just there and had a blast for me personally. Maybe you have tougher standards, I don't know. It may have been just bad luck or bad timing or a little impatience. It's slowing down now as it's about to become rainy season if it hasn't started yet, maybe a shitload went home for awhile. Shit happens.
That's great if you live there or going there for a long stay. Most guys are not going to AC. To go to Malls, McDo and such.Yeah, yeah, you missed the point entirely. I witness guys doing just this all the time.
My point was:
1) Don't cold canvas, you look foolish, desperate & disrespectful.
2) Show a little freakin respect for yourselves & others by taking a bath / shave & putting on some decent clothing.
AV out.
NapaSlapper
06-07-14, 10:56
Although I am new to this board, I am not new to angeles city, I have been visiting since 2000 had previusly lived full time in angeles city for 3 years, so know my way around.
The whole point of my trip report is this.
Where have all those innocent, young, thin, cute, girlfriend material girls working in all the bars gone too of only just a few years ago let alone 14 years ago.
They simply do not exist in the bars of angeles city any more, yes my trip was cut short, but I barhopped for most of the days nights I was there, some 15-18 bars in total, both perimeter and fields avenue, from small bars to the biggest, days, evenings.
What I saw out in those bars except for 1 girl who was a cherry girl was to be honest very poor, basically I would not have had sex with them for free let alone paid.
If the bar owners of angeles city want good paying customers to fly half way around the world, paying high air fares and by passing some great mongering destinations then they at least need to greatly improve their level of women available.
Put the lack of cute women in bars down to what you want, wrong days, wrong times, wrong months, all I know is this, up to a couple of years ago I could go into any bar in angeles city, night, day, any month and they would be full with very cute / thin girls wanting to barfine, what we are left with is in honesty not worth the effort. Sorry to be negative, but that's what trip reports are for, to report what you saw / found, good or bad.
Will be in AC in three weeks and was watching some youtube videos. Just to get in the mood! Anyway, one of the videos I saw had this girl in it and I about crapped my pants! Read my previous post regarding her, including a couple of photos.
Has anyone in AC seen her recently? She goes by Monica. If you think you've seen her please let me know or PM me.
Will be in AC in three weeks and was watching some youtube videos. Just to get in the mood! Anyway, one of the videos I saw had this girl in it and I about crapped my pants! Read my previous post regarding her, including a couple of photos.
Has anyone in AC seen her recently? She goes by Monica. If you think you've seen her please let me know or PM me.Mate I walked into Body Shop for the first time in five years & found an old flame from then back dancing there this week so there is a chance. Go to her bar and ask, you may be pleasantly surprised. LOL!
AV.
Chris Long
06-07-14, 18:00
Been here for a week, was planning on staying in Angels for the entire month. Unless things change drastically for the better in the next couple of days I'm going to move on. Quantity down, quality down, attitudes down, services down, prices up.
Chris
Well I did my maiden trip to AC a couple of weeks ago and wanted to point out out a couple of things.
Firstly. I've seen alot of people here afraid of raids. This wasn't spoken about much whilst I was there. There were regularly 3-4 cops in the middle of walking street but they seemed more interested talking to themselves rather thna anything else. One of the bars closed early one night and near Camelot and I saw a few mamasans going into a frenzy for 20 minutes or so, but then word came back that there wasn't enough girls and they closed early so all was good.
From all reports I had read prior, there are two sides to AC. The Walking street side and the perimeter side. Personally, I feel there are 3 sides. The third is the patch between the gates of Walking street (from Phillies bar) towards Camelot. This is where I spent most of my time. I found the quality and quantity of girls high on walking street, however, they seemed less playful in the bars and the mamasans were rather pushy. When I went out on the perimeter side, there was a noticeable drop in quality and quantity, even found one who didn't speak English. The only person I had met anywhere in my entire trip that didn't know English! It also felt like the perimeter bars were full of regulars and expats.
The bars in that third section. And I'm talking roadhouse, angel with, bunny ranch, camelot, brown sugar, bar hopper, pussycat seemed to have the right mix. Enough girls, reasonable prices, not too pushy, girls had good attitudes and is where I had the most fun and ended up spending the most time. Bar fines were 2000 - 2500 and whilst some choices were better than others, I am happy with the choices I made.
Other notes from my visit there. There's not much to do there outside of bars. I went to the mall a couple of times. I definitely felt safer in AC than I did in my very short stay in Manila.
Although I am new to this board, I am not new to angeles city, I have been visiting since 2000 had previously lived full time in angeles city for 3 years, so know my way around.
The whole point of my trip report is this.
Where have all those innocent, young, thin, cute, girlfriend material girls working in all the bars gone too of only just a few years ago let alone 14 years ago.
They simply do not exist in the bars of angeles city any more, yes my trip was cut short, but I barhopped for most of the days nights I was there, some 15-18 bars in total, both perimeter and fields avenue, from small bars to the biggest, days, evenings.
What I saw out in those bars except for 1 girl who was a cherry girl was to be honest very poor, basically I would not have had sex with them for free let alone paid.
If the bar owners of angeles city want good paying customers to fly half way around the world, paying high air fares and by passing some great mongering destinations then they at least need to greatly improve their level of women available.
Put the lack of cute women in bars down to what you want, wrong days, wrong times, wrong months, all I know is this, up to a couple of years ago I could go into any bar in angeles city, night, day, any month and they would be full with very cute / thin girls wanting to barfine, what we are left with is in honesty not worth the effort. Sorry to be negative, but that's what trip reports are for, to report what you saw / found, good or bad.This is my experience as well. There is A BIG drop off in cute young ladies. My estimation is 85% are plain looking, 10% have barfinable qualities and 5% are lookers. The lookers mostly want nothing to do w / westerners and I had a hard time just getting them to look my way. On my first trip in 2010 I would say 20% were close to pretty or better, this trip less then 5%.
In 2010 I never got rejected based on where I came from, now it is a daily occurrence. Given that, I still like AC and think there are hidden gems that have a sweetness hard to find in the big city. I really enjoyed my little honey there. We hung out in the Pacific Breeze's cool cool pool all day and beat the heat. This one gal made my whole trip, I'm dying to talk to her again.
Anyhoo, AC's prices are right! Manila had the better talent easily but fuck! Too pricey, the cost there almost wrecks the fun, plus the women keep an eye on the clock. I still like AC, but the future is in question. The raids have had an effect on the better looking ladies in the provinces, they want nothing to do w / jail.
If you're there good luck!
Mate I walked into Body Shop for the first time in five years & found an old flame from then back dancing there this week so there is a chance. Go to her bar and ask, you may be pleasantly surprised. LOL!
AV.Very true!! We were hooking up pretty regularly about 5 years ago too. But in Manila. Seems she could be in AC now based on the video I saw. It will be my mission to find her!! Haha.
JB.
Montecristo
06-08-14, 12:10
I have been searching for the last days, flights from Tailand (Bangkok), to Angeles City, but Cebu airlines, Air Asia don't have flights right now, Philipine airlines, don't fly to Clark, these days is the only option to go first to Manila and then travel to Angeles?
I also searched flights from Cambodia to Philipines but found nothing.
Can someone clarify the present situation?
Thanks.
Montecristo.
Sometimes good memories should be left to ferment and fade away.
Very true!! We were hooking up pretty regularly about 5 years ago too. But in Manila. Seems she could be in AC now based on the video I saw. It will be my mission to find her!! Haha.
JB..
I have been searching for the last days, flights from Tailand (Bangkok), to Angeles City, but Cebu airlines, Air Asia don't have flights right now, Philipine airlines, don't fly to Clark, these days is the only option to go first to Manila and then travel to Angeles?
I also searched flights from Cambodia to Philipines but found nothing.
Can someone clarify the present situation?
Thanks.
Montecristo.Cebu Pacific has direct flights from Siem reap to Manila only on certain dates. Check cebupacificair.com.
If you have some flexibility you could consider BKK to Cebu and then to AC. I think the Cebu to AC flight is only twice a week though. On the other hand there are farang friendly buses from MNL to AC.
Don't have flights? What does that mean? Your message is seriously lacking in information. Are you trying to fly tomorrow and everything is booked? Maybe you just mean there are few flights to AC.
I have been searching for the last days, flights from Tailand (Bangkok), to Angeles City, but Cebu airlines, Air Asia don't have flights right now, Philipine airlines, don't fly to Clark, these days is the only option to go first to Manila and then travel to Angeles?
I also searched flights from Cambodia to Philipines but found nothing.
Can someone clarify the present situation?
Thanks.
Montecristo.
Chris Long
06-08-14, 18:39
This is my experience as well. There is A BIG drop off in cute young ladies. My estimation is 85% are plain looking, 10% have barfinable qualities and 5% are lookers. The lookers mostly want nothing to do w / westerners and I had a hard time just getting them to look my way. On my first trip in 2010 I would say 20% were close to pretty or better, this trip less then 5%.
In 2010 I never got rejected based on where I came from, now it is a daily occurrence. Given that, I still like AC and think there are hidden gems that have a sweetness hard to find in the big city. I really enjoyed my little honey there. We hung out in the Pacific Breeze's cool cool pool all day and beat the heat. This one gal made my whole trip, I'm dying to talk to her again.
Anyhoo, AC's prices are right! Manila had the better talent easily but fuck! Too pricey, the cost there almost wrecks the fun, plus the women keep an eye on the clock. I still like AC, but the future is in question. The raids have had an effect on the better looking ladies in the provinces, they want nothing to do w / jail.
If you're there good luck!This has been my experience exactly, rejection is a daily occurrence and when one actually responds in a somewhat interested fashion I am truly surprised. I am thinking of going to a medical center and submitting myself for a medical study. I seem to have this strange ability to bring on menstruation in bar girls as soon as I mention bar fine they are suddenly on their period. I have never ran across so many girls who all seem to be having their period at the same time.
Chris
I was just in Ac and there are flights from BKK to AC. I believe it might be under Tiger air or whoever bought them. Anyway the travel agent I talked to said they have flights. If you need tbhe travel agent send me a PM.
Been here for a week, was planning on staying in Angels for the entire month. Unless things change drastically for the better in the next couple of days I'm going to move on. Quantity down, quality down, attitudes down, services down, prices up.
Chris.If I was you, I would take a side trip to Subic. My last trip in March I did a week in AC and a week in Subic. Subic is more like the old AC. Send me a PM if you need any hotel or ride information.
Robb.
NapaSlapper
06-09-14, 02:47
This has been my experience exactly, rejection is a daily occurrence and when one actually responds in a somewhat interested fashion I am truly surprised. I am thinking of going to a medical center and submitting myself for a medical study. I seem to have this strange ability to bring on menstruation in bar girls as soon as I mention bar fine they are suddenly on their period. I have never ran across so many girls who all seem to be having their period at the same time.
ChrisThis has long been a problem in angeles bars.
Because of the large slice in drinks commission the girls get for every drink that is bought for them the girls quickly worked out that they can earn more money staying in the bar and being a Drink **** than going out on barfines, plus her pinoy husband / boyfriend is a whole lot happier too, he still gets to stay home gamble / drink red horse and shag the young girls in the village while his sweetheart is out earning the peso and she's not full of strange semen each night she comes home.
Capt Munch
06-09-14, 03:08
I was just in Ac and there are flights from BKK to AC. I believe it might be under Tiger air or whoever bought them. Anyway the travel agent I talked to said they have flights. If you need tbhe travel agent send me a PM.From the Magarita Station website " We keep hearing how Clark is growing, but:
-- Air Asia cancelled all flights from Clark months ago.
-- Emirates recently cancelled their Clark service.
-- Now Cebu Pacific buys Tiger Air and then cancels the popular Clark. Bangkok route.
WHAT GROWTH WILL BE NEXT! ".
My suggestion would be that the typical business model here. In the Philippines is.
When business is SLOW and you don't have many customers.
RAISE the prices so that HOPEFULLY you make as much money as before but with fewer customers.
BUT. Sometimes you can even lose those customers. Oh well.
Munch (my 2 pisos).
Capt Munch
06-09-14, 03:31
This has been my experience exactly, rejection is a daily occurrence and when one actually responds in a somewhat interested fashion I am truly surprised. I am thinking of going to a medical center and submitting myself for a medical study. I seem to have this strange ability to bring on menstruation in bar girls as soon as I mention bar fine they are suddenly on their period. I have never ran across so many girls who all seem to be having their period at the same time.
ChrisAs you mention, (sh) it happens.
I thought I fell in love the other night (at least temporarily) and the answer was the same " I have Mens".
I usually ask which day and how long. And suggest that I will be coming back after it is done. Which is OK if you have an extended stay or live here.
Sometimes you get rewarded and have an actual "date" with the SYT in the future if:
1. She is still working at the bar (how would that NOT be possible 4 to 7 days later. I have no idea, you would think that a job is a job but it maybe optional here in Angeles).
2. That was NOT just a ploy to tell you she was NOT interested (surprise, surprise. She is waiting for someone more qwapo / younger than you).
3. She was NOT expecting her new Korean bf to come in (she had a drink with him and is pretty sure that he is in love with her) or doesn't have one yet.
4. She has NO plans to get together with friends at High Society later.
5. She is NOT tired and needs her 12 to 14 hours sleep (. After she goes home at 4 AM).
6. It is NOT her day off the next day and laundry day at the Stay-Inn.
7. She does NOT have to go to Hygiene at 7 AM the next morning.
8. She is NOT having a second or third menstruation that month.
And. If all the moons and stars line up fortuitously.
You get her out of the bar the next time for a wonderful experience.
This is NOT just a fairy tale, it happens occasionally.
OR you move on to the next girl / bar and find someone else.
Munch.
This has been my experience exactly, rejection is a daily occurrence and when one actually responds in a somewhat interested fashion I am truly surprised. I am thinking of going to a medical center and submitting myself for a medical study. I seem to have this strange ability to bring on menstruation in bar girls as soon as I mention bar fine they are suddenly on their period. I have never ran across so many girls who all seem to be having their period at the same time.In Phil bars you don't choose the girl, she chooses you. Go for the ones giving good vibes / signals. Often they will ask YOU to take them. Going in with a meat market mentality picking only the most attractive to you regardless of other factors often results in tears. They don't have to go with you ha?
AV.
From the Magarita Station website " We keep hearing how Clark is growing, but:
-- Air Asia cancelled all flights from Clark months ago.
-- Emirates recently cancelled their Clark service.
-- Now Cebu Pacific buys Tiger Air and then cancels the popular Clark. Bangkok route.
WHAT GROWTH WILL BE NEXT! ".
My suggestion would be that the typical business model here. In the Philippines is.
When business is SLOW and you don't have many customers.
RAISE the prices so that HOPEFULLY you make as much money as before but with fewer customers.
BUT. Sometimes you can even lose those customers. Oh well.
Munch (my 2 pisos).Agree its concerning to see all these carriers dropping services here. One of the major bonus's of living here was proximity to the airport. Loosing Air Asia / Asia X was not a biggy for me but loosing Emirates was a bastard. To be fair SIA was haemorrhaging money with Tiger & the CP acquisition is probably more about buying their lucrative routes. The dropping of Clark by CP is not directly a reflection on Clark itself IMHO. BTW these rationalisations are happening all over the Asia Pacific. We've lost a lot of services back in Australia also.
AV.
Chris Long
06-09-14, 05:58
As you mention, (sh) it happens.
I thought I fell in love the other night (at least temporarily) and the answer was the same " I have Mens".
I usually ask which day and how long. And suggest that I will be coming back after it is done. Which is OK if you have an extended stay or live here.
Sometimes you get rewarded and have an actual "date" with the SYT in the future if:
1. She is still working at the bar (how would that NOT be possible 4 to 7 days later. I have no idea, you would think that a job is a job but it maybe optional here in Angeles).
2. That was NOT just a ploy to tell you she was NOT interested (surprise, surprise. She is waiting for someone more qwapo / younger than you).
3. She was NOT expecting her new Korean bf to come in (she had a drink with him and is pretty sure that he is in love with her) or doesn't have one yet.
4. She has NO plans to get together with friends at High Society later.
5. She is NOT tired and needs her 12 to 14 hours sleep (. After she goes home at 4 AM).
6. It is NOT her day off the next day and laundry day at the Stay-Inn.
7. She does NOT have to go to Hygiene at 7 AM the next morning.
8. She is NOT having a second or third menstruation that month.
And. If all the moons and stars line up fortuitously.
You get her out of the bar the next time for a wonderful experience.
This is NOT just a fairy tale, it happens occasionally.
OR you move on to the next girl / bar and find someone else.
Munch.All of this unfortunately is very very true. So the question has to be asked, what is the point of coming to Angeles, it is very expensive and a very long flight from the states just to come here and be rejected by two to three out of every five girls you approach especially if you are rejected by the ones you want and have to settle for the be team. You can stay in the states and get that kind of rejection and save yourself a whole lot of money.
This is something that does not get enough attention here on the boards, the level of rejection that you receive from the girls in Angeles. In Sosua in the Dominican Republic you walk into Rumbas or the'Latin and you feel like Tom Cruz or Denzel Washington by the amount of attention you get and the way the girls throw themselves at you. I have never ever been rejected by a girl in the Dominican Republic I may not have been able to come to an agreement on price and services, which may be their way of rejecting you, but I have never had one just rudely ignore me or make me feel so bad about myself. There you are avoiding eye contact and pushing girls away. In Angeles your lucky if they even acknowledge your existence. In Angeles you feel like an ugly man by the amount of rejection you receive. I am seriously thinking of scratching Angeles off the rotation list.
Chris
Chris Long
06-09-14, 06:02
In Phil bars you don't choose the girl, she chooses you. Go for the ones giving good vibes / signals. Often they will ask YOU to take them. Going in with a meat market mentality picking only the most attractive to you regardless of other factors often results in tears. They don't have to go with you ha?
AVThe question has to be asked, what is the point of coming to Angeles? You can stay in the states and be ignored by the hottest girls in the bar and have to settle on the B or C team. You don't have to spend money and time to come to Angeles to receive that kind of treatment.
Chris
This has long been a problem in angeles bars.
Because of the large slice in drinks commission the girls get for every drink that is bought for them the girls quickly worked out that they can earn more money staying in the bar and being a Drink **** than going out on barfines, plus her pinoy husband / boyfriend is a whole lot happier too, he still gets to stay home gamble / drink red horse and shag the young girls in the village while his sweetheart is out earning the peso and she's not full of strange semen each night she comes home.Maybe this was the case a long time ago back in the heydays but nowadays I think many girls are happy if they get 1 ladydrink at all (per night). I was in AC back in February and March and there were many many more girls in the bars than there were customers. I think the ratio was 20 to 1 or something like that. There's no way they can earn more money by staying in the bar.
Furthermore most of the girls don't have a pinoy husband / boyfriend. At least not anymore; they ran away when they knocked them up. And they certainly don't get back to their village every night all the way back in Samar, Negros, Mindanao or where ever they are from.
I was in AC back in February and March and there were many many more girls in the bars than there were customers. I think the ratio was 20 to 1 or something like that. There's no way they can earn more money by staying in the bar.
Still the same. Regularly is. Correct, they need bar fines to pay the rent, they are just selective about who gets to deposit his semen in them. After two only nights spent in two bars last week I've got girls lining up to come over on their day off. This is boy friend sex not P4 P sex.
AV.
GoodEnough
06-09-14, 10:34
I don't profess any intimate knowledge of Angeles or its bars; it's a scene that's got no real appeal for me, so I can't comment on whether there's a growing "rejection trend. However, I do know a little bit about the macro economy and the demographics of the country, both of which suggest that the population--particularly the ranks of the poor and uneducated--continues to swell, the schools continue to reflect mediocrity, and the economy's record of job creation is abysmal. I'm also relatively sure that the country remains at the bottom of ASEAN in its ability to attract foreign investment. These trends, which are not likely to change anytime soon, suggest that unemployment, especially for those with little education, will remain high, and with few alternatives available to meet the continued demands of their families for money, it seems logical to conclude that Angeles will continue to resent the employer of last resort for many young, provincial women. So I doubt that the supply side of the equation will be in jeopardy anytime soon.
I also note that the "rejection" issue appears indigenous to Angeles. At least I've not seen any posts that suggest the presence of the same issue in Manila or Cebu. If that's true, then we're left with the task of isolating what's different about Angeles than the other two destinations? This assumes of course that the male punters are more or less equivalent in character, dress and behavior across the three cities. The only meaningful discrepancy I can think of is that in Angeles, bars are being raided and girls are going to jail for varoius periods. So, if I'm correct, the whole "rejection" issue may be caused more by fear than chemistry. Perhaps the girls would rather settle for less income if that also means they can avoid other unpleasant consequences.
GoodEnough
06-09-14, 10:36
I noted several typos in my last post, caused either by my own in attentiveness or by the strange quirks in the forum's software. Recently I've found that I'm not able to go back and correct these. The software will not permit it. I've no idea why.
GE.
The question has to be asked, what is the point of coming to Angeles, you can stay in the states and be ignored by the hottest girls in the bar and have to settle on the be or see team you don't have to spend money and time to come to Angeles to receive that kind of treatment.
ChrisI'd love to know what bars you are hitting. When I was there recently, I found the bars in walking street less enjoyable as the girls were less playful. Once I moved out, the girls seemed far more playful. It was harder to find good talent, but worth the hunt. Felt the same way about Subic as well.
-- Now Cebu Pacific buys Tiger Air and then cancels the popular Clark. Bangkok route.According to the flight schedule on their web site they are still flying but only on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays:
https://www.cebupacificair.com/Flight%20Schedule/DG%20Flight%20Schedule%20(04%2022%2014). Pdf.
Neil Patrick
06-09-14, 13:11
According to the flight schedule on their web site they are still flying but only on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays:
https://www.cebupacificair.com/Flight%20Schedule/DG%20Flight%20Schedule%20(04%2022%2014). Pdf.My flight was on the 7th of June (which is a Monday) and it got the cancellation email yesterday. So I think this might be outdated or wrong. The most frustrating thing was waiting for about 15 minutes to get the reservation cancelled. They do something and ask to hold on for 5 minutes and then to another thing and again ask to hold on, this happened about three times, which was frustrating. I cancelled my trip altogether and decided to spend those days in Pattaya as well.
Although I am new to this board, I am not new to angeles city, I have been visiting since 2000 had previusly lived full time in angeles city for 3 years, so know my way around.
The whole point of my trip report is this.
Where have all those innocent, young, thin, cute, girlfriend material girls working in all the bars gone too of only just a few years ago let alone 14 years ago.
They simply do not exist in the bars of angeles city any more, yes my trip was cut short, but I barhopped for most of the days nights I was there, some 15-18 bars in total, both perimeter and fields avenue, from small bars to the biggest, days, evenings.
What I saw out in those bars except for 1 girl who was a cherry girl was to be honest very poor, basically I would not have had sex with them for free let alone paid.
If the bar owners of angeles city want good paying customers to fly half way around the world, paying high air fares and by passing some great mongering destinations then they at least need to greatly improve their level of women available.
Put the lack of cute women in bars down to what you want, wrong days, wrong times, wrong months, all I know is this, up to a couple of years ago I could go into any bar in angeles city, night, day, any month and they would be full with very cute / thin girls wanting to barfine, what we are left with is in honesty not worth the effort. Sorry to be negative, but that's what trip reports are for, to report what you saw / found, good or bad.Very interesting comments, particularly given your experience (and thus perspective). I'm personally not the most observant, and also I tend to seek out fun rather than "quality" (in terms of looks, I mean), but even so I have noticed this sort of everywhere: in China, Bangkok, Pattaya, and as you suggest in Angeles City.
I'm curious whether you - or others here - have noticed the same thing, and also what are your preferred places to visit for this kind of fun nowadays?
My flight was on the 7th of June (which is a Monday) and it got the cancellation email yesterday. So I think this might be outdated or wrong. The most frustrating thing was waiting for about 15 minutes to get the reservation cancelled. They do something and ask to hold on for 5 minutes and then to another thing and again ask to hold on, this happened about three times, which was frustrating. I cancelled my trip altogether and decided to spend those days in Pattaya as well.Strange. It's even still possible to book this flight on their web site.
Did they tell you in the cancellation email that they have cancelled the entire route? Or only your flight?
It's not that I don't believe you but if Cebu Pacific also canceled this route, right after Emirates did, then there are not many options for me anymore to fly directly to Clark.
Neil Patrick
06-09-14, 21:45
Strange. It's even still possible to book this flight on their web site.
Did they tell you in the cancellation email that they have cancelled the entire route? Or only your flight?
It's not that I don't believe you but if Cebu Pacific also canceled this route, right after Emirates did, then there are not many options for me anymore to fly directly to Clark.Now that I have checked the their site, indeed you can book flights. I honestly thought that they have cancelled the route. This is the reason they gave in their email:
Tigerair Philippines would like to inform you that your flight has been cancelled due to aircraft situation. However, we have mounted another flight which you may take in lieu of the cancelled flight.
And this was my replacement:
Flight details:
Flight No. 5J932 on July 08, 2014, departing Suvarnabhumi International Airport at 12:40AM and arriving in Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 at 4:55AM
As I was quite concerned about the situation in AC (this was going to be my first ever trip there), the flight cancelation became a trigger for me to cancel the whole thing and extending my stay in Pattaya / BKK. So I really didn't do any further looking around. Sorry for the misinformation.
NP.
I am not new to angeles city, I have been visiting since 2000 had previusly lived full time in angeles city for 3 years, so know my way around.
If the bar owners of angeles city want good paying customers to fly half way around the world, paying high air fares and by passing some great mongering destinations then they at least need to greatly improve their level of women available.You seem to be out of touch with current reality. Continual bar raids, with girls being hauled off to Manila, and who knows what happens to them there, abuse? , means attractive girls not willing to work in such an environment anymore. I suspect a significant percentage go to online dating sites, away from the police raids. Also bar owners have to pay more for the pretty girls, and with raids, fines, closures, they are not making the money to hire such girls.
IJM and their penchant for rescuing girls, Polices penchant for tea money, the new Economic Free Zone, Online dating. All of these seem to be conspiring against Angeles. Interested to know the "great mongering destinations" you mention in your report.
Threadbare
06-09-14, 23:17
Very interesting comments, particularly given your experience (and thus perspective). I'm personally not the most observant, and also I tend to seek out fun rather than "quality" (in terms of looks, I mean), but even so I have noticed this sort of everywhere: in China, Bangkok, Pattaya, and as you suggest in Angeles City.
I'm curious whether you - or others here - have noticed the same thing, and also what are your preferred places to visit for this kind of fun nowadays?Well, interesting, I have even noticed the same in UK over the last year or two, the sweet young asian things have become very hard to find now. I used to visit a few "houses" where the girl changed every week, but recently they have become older (though they never will admit that when you call to book). And mainly Chinese now, instead of a range of nationalities. Sorry I know this is not directly AC relevant but adds to this thread!
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You seem to be out of touch with current reality. Continual bar raids, with girls being hauled off to Manila, and who knows what happens to them there, abuse? , means attractive girls not willing to work in such an environment anymore. I suspect a significant percentage go to online dating sites, away from the police raids. Also bar owners have to pay more for the pretty girls, and with raids, fines, closures, they are not making the money to hire such girls.
IJM and their penchant for rescuing girls, Polices penchant for tea money, the new Economic Free Zone, Online dating. All of these seem to be conspiring against Angeles. Interested to know the "great mongering destinations" you mention in your report.Been following this thread of conversation with interest because I had been thinking of visiting the PI this winter. I've been briefly Cebu, mostly to go diving, but nothing else. I didn't party.
The PI has such a legendary reputation. Is it really not worth going to anymore? Even Manila or Subic? Or are those days sadly gone? I had assumed the PI to actually be the last stronghold of quality punting.
I don't profess any intimate knowledge of Angeles or its bars; it's a scene that's got no real appeal for me, so I can't comment on whether there's a growing "rejection trend. However, I do know a little bit about the macro economy and the demographics of the country, both of which suggest that the population--particularly the ranks of the poor and uneducated--continues to swell, the schools continue to reflect mediocrity, and the economy's record of job creation is abysmal. I'm also relatively sure that the country remains at the bottom of ASEAN in its ability to attract foreign investment. These trends, which are not likely to change anytime soon, suggest that unemployment, especially for those with little education, will remain high, and with few alternatives available to meet the continued demands of their families for money, it seems logical to conclude that Angeles will continue to resent the employer of last resort for many young, provincial women. So I doubt that the supply side of the equation will be in jeopardy anytime soon.
I also note that the "rejection" issue appears indigenous to Angeles. At least I've not seen any posts that suggest the presence of the same issue in Manila or Cebu. If that's true, then we're left with the task of isolating what's different about Angeles than the other two destinations? This assumes of course that the male punters are more or less equivalent in character, dress and behavior across the three cities. The only meaningful discrepancy I can think of is that in Angeles, bars are being raided and girls are going to jail for varoius periods. So, if I'm correct, the whole "rejection" issue may be caused more by fear than chemistry. Perhaps the girls would rather settle for less income if that also means they can avoid other unpleasant consequences.Yes the supply side of the equation in the PI is in good condition. The problem w / the talent level IN AC, has more to do w / raids and the threat of more raids. When I first got to AC in 2010 there was little concern (in the bars) if a young lady looked 17 but was indeed 18 or 19 yrs old. On my first trip I saw many very young looking (legal, I thought) ladies and some were very good looking.
On my first trip I don't remember so many Koreans and I don't recall being denied in the bars.
My second trip (2011) is when I noticed I was getting more road blocks in my search for the perfect GF. Not only in AC but Cebu as well. In Cebu I am only familiar w / the Mango Sq bars and they were very Korean oriented w / the western customer taking the leftovers. In Cebu, the leftovers are pretty but the top girls are in the 8, 9 range, very very beautiful Cebuanas. Those were always K only, the management in Vikings, Red Lips, etc could give a shit about treating their customers fairly. I got burned numerous times from Mango St bars.
Back to AC, after my 2011 trip the US started putting more pressure on the PI's over the top Angeles City Sexporium. Since then the AC scene has gradually deteriorated to what it is now. If you're looking for pretty 7 and 8's then AC is not for you. The prices are still great compared to Manila but it is not easy to find something special. On my last trip I was lucky and found a gem, I kept her for my whole stay, 4 days. I did enjoy in-betweeners but my Atlantis babe was my main squeeze for my time in AC. She made my time there well spent. There were some other items I enjoyed in AC as well and I am looking forward to my next trip in April.
The discrimination is asian vs western and the filipina is closer in location and in culture to the Asians. What is happening is as more Japanese, Koreans (not Chinese so far) are bringing their bias against westerners enjoying their women to the PI. In Japan and Korea the top talent is not available to westerners and now that they are moving into other markets they are using the same cultural rules that apply in their own countries.
I have heard many times that in some Korean bars the ladies are pressured into not going w / a westerner otherwise they will be ostracized by the Korean clientele and lose income. I think in some bars this is true and in other bars the ladies think they can make more money off a Korean and work less hard for it.
The bottom line is the ladies are free to choose and that's how it needs to be, everywhere and always.
Hopefully the current climate will change back to a more balanced playing field. Time will tell.
I did enjoy the tightest pussies of my life in Manila and AC this last trip. I spent some time in Manila (my first) and there was absolutely no discrimination there, only really high prices and much better lookers, that said, I still like AC.
The AC scene is a roller coaster and I hope it returns to the 2010 level of beauty and youth.
Cheers
Montecristo
06-10-14, 01:18
If you have some flexibility you could consider BKK to Cebu and then to AC. I think the Cebu to AC flight is only twice a week though. On the other hand there are farang friendly buses from MNL to AC.
Don't have flights? What does that mean? Your message is seriously lacking in information. Are you trying to fly tomorrow and everything is booked? Maybe you just mean there are few flights to AC.Thanks for all the answers, I was just planning to go to Angeles, but in several flight companies there were no flights for all the dates I choose, it seemed really strange, and I got the idea these days, its not possible to fly directly from Bangkok to Angeles, I have time to wait and things may change, but most of all its becoming obvious that Angels City its not a very interesting destination at this point.
MonteCristo.
No disappointment & had to kick her out at mid day the next day so that I could get on with important stuff.LOL, like chasing more pussy.
I don't understand all the angst here either. I spent a couple weeks in AC last month and had a great time. The overall standard isn't what it used to be, especially on Perimeter, but if you take your time and choose carefully you can still find some pretty nice talent. And while prices have definitely gone up over the past couple years, it's still real value for money.
I got the idea these days, its not possible to fly directly from Bangkok to AngelesYeah, I figured that service wouldn't last long. For all the big talk about becoming Manila's 2nd hub, Clark is really fizzling out. The only international destinations left now are Seoul, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, and Doha. Domestically it's even more hopeless: only Cebu and Caticlan.
I never mind spending a day or two in Manila so I wouldn't care if NAIA didn't suck so much and it weren't such a pain in the butt to get from Manila to AC. Last time I tried Philtranco, since they have a bus from Pasay right to Clark. Take my advice, avoid it. It was hopelessly late and then took forever to get around Manila on EDSA. Yes, they dropped me off right at Checkpoint but it wasted the better part of a day. If you're going by bus stick with the ordinary Five Star etc ones to Dau.
GoodEnough
06-10-14, 07:51
Yeah, I figured that service wouldn't last long. For all the big talk about becoming Manila's 2nd hub, Clark is really fizzling out. The only international destinations left now are Seoul, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, and Doha. Domestically it's even more hopeless: only Cebu and Caticlan.
I took the Davao-Clark flight a few times when AirAsia was operating it, and it was wonderfully convenient. However, since nothing here works very well for very long, I was totally unsurprised when it was canceled. Actually, getting anywhere in the Philippines is somewhat of a challenge. Often, you're forced to fly through Manila to get wherever you want to go, even if that doubles the length and cost of the trip. Road transport's a joke and there are no trains.
GE.
Yeah, I figured that service wouldn't last long. For all the big talk about becoming Manila's 2nd hub, Clark is really fizzling out. The only international destinations left now are Seoul, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, and Doha.This is a misunderstanding, Cebu Pacific is still flying Bangkok - Clark v.v. See post #14460.
I don't understand all the angst here either. I spent a couple weeks in AC last month and had a great time. The overall standard isn't what it used to be, especially on Perimeter, but if you take your time and choose carefully you can still find some pretty nice talent.I totally agree. Take your time and choose carefully and there are still quite a lot of gems to be found. Especially in the bigger bars with dozens or even hundreds of girls it simply takes time to spot just the right one for you.
Or try the freelancers in the streets, SM Mall or places like High Society.
For once I have to disagree with you GE. Road transport isn't a joke. Its a nightmare.
This is a misunderstanding, Cebu Pacific is still flying Bangkok - Clark v.v. See post #14460.Till the end of this month only. From 1 July they'll do only Bangkok-Manila.
I wouldn't count on their Singapore-Clark service being around for much longer either.
Wow, this is sad. With the raids, the flights, it almost seems like someone higher up is making a concerted effort to bring AC down.
Mr Enternational
06-10-14, 15:52
Wow, this is sad. With the raids, the flights, it almost seems like someone higher up is making a concerted effort to bring AC down.No it doesn't. Airlines are in business to make money. Clark is not a money making route so no company with any business sense should fly there. The last ticket I bought out of there to Thailand cost me less than $3.
Wow, this is sad. With the raids, the flights, it almost seems like someone higher up is making a concerted effort to bring AC down.No I think is like one of those internet memes. The AC is dying thing has grown a life of its own, mostly perpetuated by newer guys who seem to think they know it all. Raids have existed forever. Before the Koreans it was the Japanese etc. The bar district does look a little bit tawdry compared to my first experience of it 7 years ago but that could be partly just nostalgia.
I proved to myself last week that there are still pretty willing bed partners available for hire there. Gosh I can't get rid of them! They keep coming over for a shag on their day's off! Thank the monger gods they all have different days off (because I only allow one from each bar hehe).
If anything I think the scene is easier than it used to be. Girls are more worldly now.
AV.
ThatGuy865
06-10-14, 19:24
No I think is like one of those internet memes. The AC is dying thing has grown a life of its own, mostly perpetuated by newer guys who seem to think they know it all. Raids have existed forever. Before the Koreans it was the Japanese etc. The bar district does look a little bit tawdry compared to my first experience of it 7 years ago but that could be partly just nostalgia.
I proved to myself last week that there are still pretty willing bed partners available for hire there. Gosh I can't get rid of them! They keep coming over for a shag on their day's off! Thank the monger gods they all have different days off (because I only allow one from each bar hehe).
If anything I think the scene is easier than it used to be. Girls are more worldly now.
AV.To say things hasn't changed. One has to be blind or out of touch w / reality. Raids occurred in the past. But not at the frequency rate since 2013.4 or 5 raids a year in the past. Vs. 2 or 3 raids a month now. Plus momasans are remaining in jail w / HT charges pending.
There is no blow road any longer. It has been reduced to 1 or 2 bars left. When there used to be 5 or more. And none do on site service any longer. Raymond street bars have been reduced by 1/2.
A few bars maybe 4 or 5 have no take out at all in no fashion. Those that do, each bar has its own process for taking girls out. If not known, a guy can easily be told, No take out. (neither of which happened or was even a thought 5 yrs ago).
Many girls refusing BF's under any condition. (again this was rare 5 yrs ago). Yeah they may have had a preference but to say they totally did not do BF period was unheard of.
Perimeter bars with very few girls due to many leaving afraid of being caught in a raid or lack of customers. These things are only getting worst as raids continue.
Its not the mongers who feel the pinch the most. Its the Mamasans, girls, Bar staff. How long will mamasans continue to chance going to Jail on charges. There are several still sitting in jail now.
Sure one can still have a good time. But to say. Things have not changed for the worst is definitely not true.
No I think is like one of those internet memes. The AC is dying thing has grown a life of its own, mostly perpetuated by newer guys who seem to think they know it all. Raids have existed forever. Before the Koreans it was the Japanese etc. The bar district does look a little bit tawdry compared to my first experience of it 7 years ago but that could be partly just nostalgia.
AV.It is helpful, thanks for keeping things in perspective. Always consider the source of reports: first time somewhere people don't have any idea of what they're experiencing only that they can actually get laid, it blows their minds. What a sad life they must lead wherever it is they came from. AC like everywhere is what you make of it.
TheDude865
06-10-14, 21:46
Yeah, I figured that service wouldn't last long. For all the big talk about becoming Manila's 2nd hub, Clark is really fizzling out. The only international destinations left now are Seoul, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, and Doha. Domestically it's even more hopeless: only Cebu and Caticlan.
I never mind spending a day or two in Manila so I wouldn't care if NAIA didn't suck so much and it weren't such a pain in the butt to get from Manila to AC. Last time I tried Philtranco, since they have a bus from Pasay right to Clark. Take my advice, avoid it. It was hopelessly late and then took forever to get around Manila on EDSA. Yes, they dropped me off right at Checkpoint but it wasted the better part of a day. If you're going by bus stick with the ordinary Five Star etc ones to Dau.I agree, I was planning my yearly PI visit and found out the hard way. I usually book flights on Cheapo Air. Last month there were several options from US to Clark at a substantially lesser price. Now the flights are not available. I knew I shoulda booked when I checked then, but I always price check several sites for the best deals. My loss this time as the rates are 20% higher now.
TheDude
To say things hasn't changed. One has to be blind or out of touch w / reality.You're fully entitled to your views. Your negative view seems a bit emotive but I respectfully don't want this to degenerate into a pissing contest. I'm on speaking terms with Mamma's here & I can assure you they are FAR from victims. Yes the raids are an inconvenience but the smart ones keep their girls' I'D's legit & fight the cops tooth & nail in the courts (and win). A few days later its back to business for them. The current spate of raids is related to politics. Read up the news. This to shall pass. Yeah some of those grotty blow jobs joints have thrown in the towel, like mushrooms new ones will replace them. I'm not getting any higher rate of 'rejection' now than I did 7 years ago. Newbies rush into bars point at the best looking bird & say lets go! (I know because I was that guy 7 years ago, I quickly learned hehe) . Sorry that's not how it ever worked, either here in AC or anywhere else for that matter.
We enjoy to read field reports, impressions & experiences.
Please lets keep this in perspective & not get hysterical!
Respectfully.
AV.
NapaSlapper
06-11-14, 03:54
Amavida,
Your love for Angeles is heart warming if blinkered, here's some facts.
There has not been one mamasan or bar owner who had fought in court and won far from it, the only bar owner that has tried to fight the establishment has been in jail for the last 2 years, is in very poor health and is begging on all angeles based boards for donations to keep him alive and pay for his legal team, fully expect him to be held in prison for some years to come until he either dies or finally his case comes before a judge who will not look favourably on a foreigner who decided to sell pinay pussy for a living.
If bar owners / mamasans are lucky enough to be raided by the local police forces then a very large payment, usually in access of 2 million pesos paid by the bar owner will see all released and the bar reopened until the next time it is raided for gain.
If the bar owners / mamasuns are unlucky and the big guns from camp crame with help from the American do good brigade come knocking then money won't get you out of jail, Human traffic charges are brought against those arrested which is an unbailable offence which carries a mandatory 20 years jail time.
The most worrying aspect for mongers is the recent bar arrests of foreigners in bar raids.
Now I know you only been going to ac some 7 years and may not have been around to see the closed door bar parties, body shots, blow jobs and full sex handed out right there in the bar,100% of all girls eager to barfine and to please, all night sessions was the norm.
What are we left with.
Girls that are fully clothed on stage, no body shots, no t backs (thongs) no in house blow jobs / full sex / girls that are average in looks at best, many over weight girls, high percentage of girls who won't barfine or will only barfine with certain cultures, girls that turn promised lt to st with excuses of feeling sick / hygiene in morning / friend for got her key / have to visit Manila early morning etc etc.
Then we have board members who say, let the girl choose you, don't go for the good looking ones, the old ones are better, the fat ones are better.
Here's news, most mongers who fly half way around the world at great expense want to have sex with good looking / thin / younger girls, the type of girl they can't attract at home, if one has to settle for a girl that chooses or a plain / fatter girl then most can get that for free back home and save the expense of travel.
So to say angeles is still a good place to monger, I would have to seriously doubt that fact.
ThatGuy865
06-11-14, 06:10
You're fully entitled to your views. Your negative view seems a bit emotive but I respectfully don't want this to degenerate into a pissing contest. I'm on speaking terms with Mamma's here & I can assure you they are FAR from victims. Yes the raids are an inconvenience but the smart ones keep their girls' I'D's legit & fight the cops tooth & nail in the courts (and win). A few days later its back to business for them. The current spate of raids is related to politics. Read up the news. This to shall pass. Yeah some of those grotty blow jobs joints have thrown in the towel, like mushrooms new ones will replace them. I'm not getting any higher rate of 'rejection' now than I did 7 years ago. Newbies rush into bars point at the best looking bird & say lets go! (I know because I was that guy 7 years ago, I quickly learned hehe) . Sorry that's not how it ever worked, either here in AC or anywhere else for that matter.
We enjoy to read field reports, impressions & experiences.
Please lets keep this in perspective & not get hysterical!
Respectfully.
AV.Oh don't get me wrong. I still think AC is a Fun place to go. And everyone can have a great time.
My point was it has changed. And it's not as easy going for all as it used to be. Finesse was not needed. One could point and shoot and pretty much be sure the girl would go. Rejection rate was not to level it is now. Dancers wore see thru tops in a lot of bars. Painted nude dancers. Matrix braun. Getting a blow job while sippin on your beer at your table.
These are things you see only rarely, if ever now. They were an ordinary occurrence.
Can a guy still go and have a great time. He absolutely can. Its just not what it was and never will be again.
Good posts. Helpful and good to keep perspective. Also, in fact you didn't actually say that "nothing has changed" (that was mistakenly inferred, I believe); more like plus ca change plus see'est la meme chose. But of course things do change, it's just not to say that the reaction is proportional to the change (or that everything being said is accurate or anything other than a matter of opinion in some cases).
So alas, the conclusion seems to be that things aren't exactly as they have been in the past (when has that ever been the case? And maybe at the moment not for the best (I tend to agree), although perhaps this is not a reason to be overly pessimistic (I definitely agree). And, there might even be some bright spots and silver linings (probably true).
BTW, where else do you enjoy mongering, and have you noticed changes (or more of the same) in those places? Would be interested in hearing your continued comments.
You're fully entitled to your views. Your negative view seems a bit emotive but I respectfully don't want this to degenerate into a pissing contest. I'm on speaking terms with Mamma's here & I can assure you they are FAR from victims. Yes the raids are an inconvenience but the smart ones keep their girls' I'D's legit & fight the cops tooth & nail in the courts (and win). A few days later its back to business for them. The current spate of raids is related to politics. Read up the news. This to shall pass. Yeah some of those grotty blow jobs joints have thrown in the towel, like mushrooms new ones will replace them. I'm not getting any higher rate of 'rejection' now than I did 7 years ago. Newbies rush into bars point at the best looking bird & say lets go! (I know because I was that guy 7 years ago, I quickly learned hehe) . Sorry that's not how it ever worked, either here in AC or anywhere else for that matter.
We enjoy to read field reports, impressions & experiences.
Please lets keep this in perspective & not get hysterical!
Respectfully.
AV.
AnywhereInAsia
06-11-14, 14:01
Nothing to worry about, I just got back a few days ago. I actually felt it may have improved since my last visit around Feb.
I've been going for last 7 or 8 years, and each time felt it was slowly getting worse, as I felt Pattaya was too. In terms of quality and availability of free and paid. I put this down to more people going there as both places always seemed to get more busy.
It is still one of the easiest places to get laid in asia and I feel its just a mental thing about people saying here and elsewhere online that its coming to an end. The average tourist there seem to know nothing about it, bars all had customers having a good time and bar fining. (first time I went I was the only young guy I saw, half the bars were empty and there wasnt a single white women) We spotted white girls there twice in bars having drinks with girls.
I was with two friends one 28 the same as me and one 29 yo Indian, Indian was a first timer and another who has been going maybe 4-5 times over the past 2 years. Noone had problems bar fining, or told it wasn't allowed. High society had plenty of girls for both free or paid. Paid was generally 1000 although the indian paid 1500 once when getting desperate at 5 am.
Barfines were around 2000-2700. We bar fined at ponytails, lancealot, shooters (I even got a freebie at Shooters), Golden Calpaso, Bunny Ranch, La Bamba, inquired at others and most were ready. In fact I asked Viking out of interest and was told the price (I forgot now) but last trip I asked and was told not allowed here. Alot of the time I had dates during the day and barhoped and got drunk at night not necessarily taking a girl each night, which was still fun here and I can't see it changing soon. Sure they arnt as crazy and BJ in bar but still easy to have a good time.
What I don't like about this place is it makes me sicker than anywhere else in the world, maybe because the cheap alcohol and lack of food. I drink the local vodka, used to drink the rhum but still both seem to make me more sick than usual. Has anyone else noticed this? Where ever I am I drink to excess on holidays but ac seems the worst.
Amavida,
Your love for Angeles is heart warming if blinkered, here's some facts.Wow that's quite a list of grievances & opinions you have there. I can only go on what the mammas are telling, I don't go stand in the Manila courts & watch. Do you? I agree the bullshit from the Americans is a different kettle of fish but it won't go on forever. I don't monger in the bars anymore, I have plenty of talent available from other sources but in the interests of balance I went down there last week two nights in a row to eye ball all this doom and gloom. Got to tell you I didn't see much to correlate with these doom reports. Near naked girls in tiny bikini's, nice selection depending on bars, taking out a girl as simple as asking, being invited to cunnilingus right there in the open bar (I'm sure a BJ could have been available but I wasn't concentrating).
I'll leave it to others now, I have a SYT to play with.
Cheers.
AV.
Oh don't get me wrong. I still think AC is a Fun place to go. And everyone can have a great time.
My point was it has changed. And it's not as easy going for all as it used to be. Finesse was not needed. One could point and shoot and pretty much be sure the girl would go. Rejection rate was not to level it is now. Dancers wore see thru tops in a lot of bars. Painted nude dancers. Matrix braun. Getting a blow job while sippin on your beer at your table.
These are things you see only rarely, if ever now. They were an ordinary occurrence.
Can a guy still go and have a great time. He absolutely can. Its just not what it was and never will be again.How about Subic and Manila? What are they like? Have they gone downhill too? If so, what is the best place to visit now in the PI? Subic looked particularly good, as I heard that there is excellent diving nearby.
And it's not as easy going for all as it used to be. Finesse was not needed.Well, I like to think that a bit of finesse never went astray, even in the old days. And I go back to the era of Clark AFB, when things could get seriously wild. Even then, if you wanted the very best girls, it was usually more than point and shoot.
The changes we're seeing in AC pretty much mirror those everywhere else around SE Asia over the past decade or two. Prices go up, quality of girls goes down, and the girls who remain can afford to be more picky. But still, for any guy who's willing to spend a bit of time and money, it's not going to be a problem to find some fun. Still definitely one of the best places in the region, in my opinion, especially in terms of value for money.
We spotted white girls there twice in bars having drinks with girls.
This is the kiss of death!
To say things hasn't changed. One has to be blind or out of touch w / reality. Raids occurred in the past. But not at the frequency rate since 2013.4 or 5 raids a year in the past. Vs. 2 or 3 raids a month now. Plus momasans are remaining in jail w / HT charges pending.
There is no blow road any longer. It has been reduced to 1 or 2 bars left. When there used to be 5 or more. And none do on site service any longer. Raymond street bars have been reduced by 1/2.
A few bars maybe 4 or 5 have no take out at all in no fashion. Those that do, each bar has its own process for taking girls out. If not known, a guy can easily be told, No take out. (neither of which happened or was even a thought 5 yrs ago)...This is all true. Things have greatly changed. If you are happy w / mid range 6's then there are plenty of those (85%) IMO. I have no axe to grind, this is my opinion based on my 5 trips, the first trip (2010) being perfect w / out any negative pressure and the lookers were everywhere. I have zero reason to exaggerate or lie.
On my first night in AC a month ago I got my seat at Kokomos and enjoyed the view of ladyboys harassing passerby's, about 15 of them a few feet away from me. That was the first sign that something was different in AC. After my burger I went to 5 bars and saw only plain looking dancers, Tao Bar and the Dollhouse were both dirty and lacking in quality dancers, at that point I was really worried but then I went into Atlantis and it had the same feel as prior trips, clean, well kept, and better dancers, (not as good as 2010 but better than the other bars so far) so I found something special there. I felt I was really lucky.
So I totally agree w / ThisGuy, it's drastically different but still worth going to because of price, friendly ladies, and the variety of bars. Maybe the discos have better talent, I stuck w / the bars and in most cases the one or two lookers would play for drinks only. Not many bars had lookers on the premises, IMO.
Amavida,
Your love for Angeles is heart warming if blinkered, here's some facts.
There has not been one mamasan or bar owner who had fought in court and won far from it, the only bar owner that has tried to fight the establishment has been in jail for the last 2 years, is in very poor health and is begging on all angeles based boards for donations to keep him alive and pay for his legal team, fully expect him to be held in prison for some years to come until he either dies or finally his case comes before a judge who will not look favourably on a foreigner who decided to sell pinay pussy for a living.
If bar owners / mamasans are lucky enough to be raided by the local police forces then a very large payment, usually in access of 2 million pesos paid by the bar owner will see all released and the bar reopened until the next time it is raided for gain.
If the bar owners / mamasuns are unlucky and the big guns from camp crame with help from the American do good brigade come knocking then money won't get you out of jail, Human traffic charges are brought against those arrested which is an unbailable offence which carries a mandatory 20 years jail time.
The most worrying aspect for mongers is the recent bar arrests of foreigners in bar raids..Here I also agree, except w / the last line. AC is a good place to monger and have a good time. It's still worth going to IMO, not for top talent though.
I met this young lady in 2011 at Lost In Asia, a stunner (8) in my book. She would only go w / me if I also took her friend so I passed. Needless to say, I so regret that decision, one of my worst mongering moves ever.
The new AC is lacking when it comes to beauties like this one, I hope the pendulum swings back to a better, less stressful time for AC, w / plentiful talent like in 2010/11.
I have recently come into some more free time and have been considering places to visit. The Philippines is one of my old stomping grounds in my 40 odd years of pursuing this hobby. My last visit was in 2007 and as always I was in seventh heaven. I am disheartened to read, not about the raids which have always occurred, but about the decline in quality.
My experience and apparently that of many mongers, from my reading, is that in most countries there has been a decline in quality, quantity and service. This is so in Europe, Latin America and Asia. My experience is that this started from around 2008. My suggestion for this decline is the great influx of punters, especially from the US, to these destinations.
When I hobbied in Asia, Europe, Latin America, the Caribbean and even the US in the 70's, 80's and 90's I got my information from classifieds, word of mouth on the ground and generally just walking around a city. I would enter clubs and casas and I would be the only foreigner in the place; then, I would get super treatment most of the time for the local rate. However, with the ease of obtaining information from the internet many punters who would otherwise not have visited these places would go visit throwing lots of money around and corrupting the environment.
How would this cause a decline?
(1) Most providers I have spoken to over the years are in this business for a short time to earn enough money for specific purposes, e. G. To pay a debt, medical services for a loved one, studies etc. With the influx of punters the good quality girls go with numerous punters per day and earn their money faster and get out of the business sooner.
(2) With girls going with many Johns every day the quality of service provided by a particular girl is bound to decline; in some cases days after entering the business, in others, weeks or months.
(3) Many newbies mesmerized by what they see, romance these girls and take them out of the business.
I am really sorry to read about the decline in Angeles city as this was one of my favorite destinations, if not my favorite, and back in the early 2000's I thought that I should retire here. Now I am not so sure. I think that the only way for there to be an improvement is for there to be less foreigners going to these destinations. Just my opinion. It would be really unfair for me to wish this as I am a foreigner there myself and everyone is entitled to have fun.
I am really sorry to read about the decline in Angeles city as this was one of my favorite destinations, if not my favorite, and back in the early 2000's I thought that I should retire here. Now I am not so sure. I think that the only way for there to be an improvement is for there to be less foreigners going to these destinations. Just my opinion. It would be really unfair for me to wish this as I am a foreigner there myself and everyone is entitled to have fun.AC is receiving the most [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) pressure because it has the "over the top" sex industry and a weak, needy political apparatus.
In Thailand they won't tolerate outside intervention, in the PI it's the opposite because they are extremely weak, corrupt and incompetent.
The USA is being turned into the Political Correctness Police of the world by feminist and the leftwing media. They have successfully removed the word, "prostitution" and replaced it w / a much more powerful term, "human traffic victim" in order to get public support, and so far on the surface it is working like a charm. Hence the raids in the PI.
The demand and supply in the sex industry in the PI is fine but the jailing of prostitutes and their employers have had a powerful (negative) impact on places like AC. That is the sole reason AC is deteriorating right now, IMO.
To feminist / US media in the USA there is no such thing as a willing sex worker. To these over bearing prudes no woman in her right mind would go into such a trade, hence, victim of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).
So I don't agree that there are too many mongers. No, there is a real threat of the loss of individual freedom (Jail) if you're in the sex trade in AC. It's a witch hunt emanating from the politically correct (deep pockets) USA.
AC is getting the most attention because of it's notoriety, i/e You Tube, etc.
For me it's interesting to note that there is opposition to this PC pressure but not from mongers themselves. Most mongers buy into the guilt and feeling of wrong doing when they hire a sweet little thing for intimacy. My opinion.
People in Asia, Latin America, etc. Don't have these hangups, it's business, it can and should be fun for all involved. There should not be any stigmatism w / being a hooker or a hooker lover. My hooker money helps a lot of people in very dire situations and I'm happy to be a part of the scene and spread my seed and my wealth. The more the merrier, right?? That's my 2p for what it's worth, probably not much.
AC is receiving the most [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) pressure because it has the "over the top" sex industry and a weak, needy political apparatus.
In Thailand they won't tolerate outside intervention, in the PI it's the opposite because they are extremely weak, corrupt and incompetent.
The USA is being turned into the Political Correctness Police of the world by feminist and the leftwing media. They have successfully removed the word, "prostitution" and replaced it w / a much more powerful term, "human traffic victim" in order to get public support, and so far on the surface it is working like a charm. Hence the raids in the PI.
The demand and supply in the sex industry in the PI is fine but the jailing of prostitutes and their employers have had a powerful (negative) impact on places like AC. That is the sole reason AC is deteriorating right now, IMO.
To feminist / US media in the USA there is no such thing as a willing sex worker. To these over bearing prudes no woman in her right mind would go into such a trade, hence, victim of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).
So I don't agree that there are too many mongers. No, there is a real threat of the loss of individual freedom (JAIL) if you're in the sex trade in AC. It's a witch hunt emanating from the politically correct (deep pockets) USA.
AC is getting the most attention because of it's notoriety, i/e You Tube, etc.
For me it's interesting to note that there is opposition to this PC pressure but not from mongers themselves. Most mongers buy into the guilt and feeling of wrong doing when they hire a sweet little thing for intimacy. My opinion.
People in Asia, Latin America, etc. Don't have these hangups, it's business, it can and should be fun for all involved. There should not be any stigmatism w / being a hooker or a hooker lover. My hooker money helps a lot of people in very dire situations and I'm happy to be a part of the scene and spread my seed and my wealth. The more the merrier, right?? That's my 2p for what it's worth, probably not much.Your argument is indeed cogent and compelling but I'm not convinced. From my experience in many countries raids occurred when managers / owners of establishments have failed to continue to make certain payments to certain people. I'll not go into too much detail here. NGO's have always been around, their main concern is to get funding from the US government so they have to show that they are earning it. If the Philippines government is for the continuation of the industry these NGOs can do nothing to curtail it. Remember tourism earns money for the country even if it is sex tourism or romance tourism. The only time that there can be a dramatic decline in the industry is if the government gets really serious about shutting it down as has recently happened in China which has led to the annihilation of P4 P in another of my favorite destinations, Chang Ping. There appears to be no possibility of this happening in the Philippines.
Nothing to worry about, I just got back a few days ago. I actually felt it may have improved since my last visit around Feb.
I've been going for last 7 or 8 years, and each time felt it was slowly getting worse, as I felt Pattaya was too. In terms of quality and availability of free and paid. I put this down to more people going there as both places always seemed to get more busy.
It is still one of the easiest places to get laid in asia and I feel its just a mental thing about people saying here and elsewhere online that its coming to an end. The average tourist there seem to know nothing about it, bars all had customers having a good time and bar fining. (first time I went I was the only young guy I saw, half the bars were empty and there wasnt a single white women) We spotted white girls there twice in bars having drinks with girls.
I was with two friends one 28 the same as me and one 29 yo Indian, Indian was a first timer and another who has been going maybe 4-5 times over the past 2 years. Noone had problems bar fining, or told it wasn't allowed. High society had plenty of girls for both free or paid. Paid was generally 1000 although the indian paid 1500 once when getting desperate at 5 am.
Barfines were around 2000-2700. We bar fined at ponytails, lancealot, shooters (I even got a freebie at Shooters), Golden Calpaso, Bunny Ranch, La Bamba, inquired at others and most were ready. In fact I asked Viking out of interest and was told the price (I forgot now) but last trip I asked and was told not allowed here. Alot of the time I had dates during the day and barhoped and got drunk at night not necessarily taking a girl each night, which was still fun here and I can't see it changing soon. Sure they arnt as crazy and BJ in bar but still easy to have a good time.
What I don't like about this place is it makes me sicker than anywhere else in the world, maybe because the cheap alcohol and lack of food. I drink the local vodka, used to drink the rhum but still both seem to make me more sick than usual. Has anyone else noticed this? Where ever I am I drink to excess on holidays but ac seems the worst.Glad you had a good time mate & thanks for providing a balanced field report.
AV.
FreebieFan
06-12-14, 02:27
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It is still one of the easiest places to get laid in asia and I feel its just a mental thing about people saying here and elsewhere online that its coming to an end. The average tourist there seem to know nothing about it, bars all had customers having a good time and bar fining. (
What I don't like about this place is it makes me sicker than anywhere else in the world, maybe because the cheap alcohol and lack of food. I drink the local vodka, used to drink the rhum but still both seem to make me more sick than usual. Has anyone else noticed this? Where ever I am I drink to excess on holidays but ac seems the worst.Lack of sleep is first cause.
Excessive alcohol second cause.
Cheap excessive alcohol next cause.
Poor diet there.
Lack of vitamin see except from sunshine.
Poor air quality, and smoking in bars.
Plenty of kissing.
Add all these up and for sure I think many get sick. Body can only take so much.
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To feminist / US media in the USA there is no such thing as a willing sex worker. To these over bearing prudes no woman in her right mind would go into such a trade, hence, victim of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). . . <SNIP > . . . This is a much more complex issue than simply being the opinion of "over-bearing prudes". I am not carrying a flag for these over-zealous anti-prostitution groups but the situation is not as glib as this.
I doubt very much that ANY woman becomes a sex worker by choice. No amount of rationalization can make me believe that any woman would willingly and regularly want to get into the sex business. I am sure that even the most horny nymphomaniac would still rather be earning money in a different manner than having different unknown guys grunting away on top, sideways or underneath her.
It is all a question of need, and until governments can provide an environment where every resident can gain a worthwhile income then prostitution will remain.
The feminist lobby will keep on pushing and they will have some levels of success but at the end of the day there is a reason why prostitution is known as "the world's oldest profession".
Key Master
06-12-14, 03:34
I was just there a few weeks ago. I had a great time. At the same time, I know for a fact that many in demand women were being very particular on who'd they bar fine with. Some women obviously can be more choosy than others and can wait out a night by getting drinks and maybe barfining. I think this has been going on for easily a few years now, but more pronounced now. I know a lot of people come on here and say it doesn't matter what you wear or how you act. I don't really believe that's the case so much anymore, and that's my opinion from what I've witnessed and been told by some I've asked. I've seen well dressed and I think decent looking guys get rejected. I asked one why she didn't go with one and she just said she didn't like him like that. She gets drinks easily with her looks. It is what it is. I think the days of getting by on the fact that you are a foreigner and willing to pay are not such an easy ticket anymore. It can work for a good amount, but it's not such a meal ticket to some of the more attractive women I believe. I think it may be ok for the women who just short time, but on average possibly not.
My suggestion for anyone who may be getting the rejection statements more often is to possibly look at oneself a little more and maybe consider some changes to approach. I personally am lucky that I look a lot younger than I am and keep in decent shape. I try to somewhat control my stomach dimensions that they don't start going crazy but it's not easy. I wear clean clothes and personally try not to look like a slob. I am pretty much a gentleman in the bar. I may try to feel them up a little but I take my time if I do do so by gathering signs and signals from the woman to see if she's ok with me or not. I am not saying that this is fool proof, but I think it helps in scoring some points for the more choosy type of woman.
Also, I was witness to this in both Angeles and Subic. And also, of course it is very possible that the woman may really be on menstruation.
I doubt very much that ANY woman becomes a sex worker by choice. True. The part-timers, too, have limited options and limited business skills. I would never sell my body but then again at this age no one would buy it hhaha but seriously many of us have struggled financially in our lives causing us to do work that we would rather not. Survival. The journey from survival to success. Share the wealth. Enjoy life and the fruits of your labor and the luscious availability of these nubile, loving, passionate creatures.
I was just there a few weeks ago. I had a great time. At the same time, I know for a fact that many in demand women were being very particular on who'd they bar fine with. Some women obviously can be more choosy than others and can wait out a night by getting drinks and maybe barfining. I think this has been going on for easily a few years now, but more pronounced now. I know a lot of people come on here and say it doesn't matter what you wear or how you act. I don't really believe that's the case so much anymore, and that's my opinion from what I've witnessed and been told by some I've asked. I've seen well dressed and I think decent looking guys get rejected. I asked one why she didn't go with one and she just said she didn't like him like that. She gets drinks easily with her looks. It is what it is. I think the days of getting by on the fact that you are a foreigner and willing to pay are not such an easy ticket anymore. It can work for a good amount, but it's not such a meal ticket to some of the more attractive women I believe. I think it may be ok for the women who just short time, but on average possibly not.
My suggestion for anyone who may be getting the rejection statements more often is to possibly look at oneself a little more and maybe consider some changes to approach. I personally am lucky that I look a lot younger than I am and keep in decent shape. I try to somewhat control my stomach dimensions that they don't start going crazy but it's not easy. I wear clean clothes and personally try not to look like a slob. I am pretty much a gentleman in the bar. I may try to feel them up a little but I take my time if I do do so by gathering signs and signals from the woman to see if she's ok with me or not. I am not saying that this is fool proof, but I think it helps in scoring some points for the more choosy type of woman.
Also, I was witness to this in both Angeles and Subic. And also, of course it is very possible that the woman may really be on menstruation.A must read for those who think money is all you need to consistently get great service-this has always been the case, EVERYWHERE. Be a BFE to get the best GFE...
Soapy Smith
06-12-14, 05:32
Perhaps the most promising outcome for those who are most carried away by the anti-trafficking movement is that most chickens eventually come home to roost. Somaly Mam has of course been one of the best known mouthpieces among true believers. But now the truth is beginning to come out:
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/30/somaly-mam-holy-saint-and-sinner-sex-trafficking-251642.html
The 300+ comments after the article contain some, even from the anti-trafficking crowd, that are beginning to offer sober observations. It may also be helpful that donor fatigue and cynicism are gradually taking their toll in the NGO world more generally.
Now we can perhaps hope that the most gullible of personalities and media folks will be embarrassed enough that they learn to temper their hearts with their brains. Unfortunately, NGOs know well and exploit the fact that donors' purses are more tightly coupled to their heartstrings than their gray matter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/10/nicholas-kristof-somaly-mam_n_5479576.html
Capt Munch
06-12-14, 06:28
This is all true.
On my first night in AC a month ago I got my seat at Kokomos and enjoyed the view of ladyboys harassing passerby's, about 15 of them a few feet away from me. That was the first sign that something was different in AC. Hmmmm. . . . I am sure that you were sitting at Kokomos. But I do sit there regularly also and I would say that 15 ladyboys harrassing passerbys is somewhat a low probability at Kokomos. I can't recall a similar situation nowadays, but then I am NOT there very late at night and can NOT speak about what happens after approx. 11 PM Back a number of years ago, there were 3 or 4 ladyboys that didn't seem to have anything better to do than to stare down the customers at Kokomos, I know I found it very uncomfortable, maybe that was their intent.
On the other hand, the nightly gathering on the corner of Phillies seems to have grown quite a bit and quite often they like to try to engage a conversation as you are leaving Walking Street. They are NOT overly aggressive and simply ignoring them seems to work.
A lot of the bars seem to employ one or more ladyboys now at some level of customer service, whether as choreographers, cleaning staff or whatever. At one or two of the bars, the girls have introduced me to their "mamasans" that were ladyboys.
I DON'T mean to suggest that there are any ladyboys employed as dancers at these clubs.
Years ago, I was sitting at Kokomos (before Walking Street) when there was some sort of parade of ladyboys all dressed in costumes etc. Not sure what the occasion was but there were probably 500 or more out on parade.
In this past year, I have seen more ladyboys with their "boyfriends" out in public than I can ever recall seeing in all the years I have been coming here. And by "boyfriends", I am referring to foreigner boyfriends and not their pinoy boyfriends or pinay friends which has pretty much always been the case.
Another friend was staying at one of the hotels and he was telling me that a couple of the other guests there had a continual stream of ladyboy guests all day long. It only bothered him a little because I think he was mistaken once or twice as being an interested party.
So. . . . things do seem to be changing.
Munch.
Capt Munch
06-12-14, 06:58
Lack of sleep is first cause.
Plenty of kissing. FF, I think you missed on one other thing that might be important. People in all the other countries that we visit are exposed to a whole variety of different bacteria or parasites than quite of few of the 1 rst world countries we come from.
I am NOT a scientist but I believe that it has to be a major contributor to the fact we get affected so readily when the locals seem to be healthy. Whether it is from kissing or some other reason, we get exposed.
I have been here quite a few times and I believe you live here also. I began to wonder how much is maybe transmitted by way of some of the extremely dirty money that we handle here in the Philippines or anywhere for that matter.
I can remember years back that a friend came back to USA with an extremely difficult case of a sore throat. Apparently his tonsils / lymph nodes were covered with a white growth (fungal? / bacterial?) that required several rounds of antibiotics.
First time visitors usually end up the first week with the AC sore throat / cough / fever. I have definitely been a victim in my previous trips. But I have been a lot sicker in Mexico and South Korea.
BUT even the locals get affected somewhat, I chat with enough girls that have "a feever" That can only get worse now! Rainy season is upon us and every Filipino / Filipina knows that the rain will cause the fever. (LOL).
SO. . . Kissing is probably what causes the sickness. More research is required!
Munch.
A must read for those who think money is all you need to consistently get great service-this has always been the case, EVERYWHERE. Be a BFE to get the best GFE...They're still women! And women are. Well, if they were easy to figure out then the sex trade wouldn't be a money maker, would it? It's also a business. Who among you doesn't try to steer their workday towards being pleasant? Next time you're watching a guy get rejected, try recalling the last time you heard someone in your office saying "Oh god, here comes what's his name again" and compare the facial expressions. Sure you HAVE to put with someone while you're getting paid, but you don't have to like it. And sometimes you just want to duck out of a boring meeting.
Hmmmm. . . . I am sure that you were sitting at Kokomos. But I do sit there regularly also and I would say that 15 ladyboys harrassing passerbys is somewhat a low probability at Kokomos. I can't recall a similar situation nowadays, but then I am NOT there very late at night and can NOT speak about what happens after approx. 11 PM Back a number of years ago, there were 3 or 4 ladyboys that didn't seem to have anything better to do than to stare down the customers at Kokomos, I know I found it very uncomfortable, maybe that was their intent.
On the other hand, the nightly gathering on the corner of Phillies seems to have grown quite a bit and quite often they like to try to engage a conversation as you are leaving Walking Street. They are NOT overly aggressive and simply ignoring them seems to work...Hi there Capt, I might have stretched the number by a couple but there were a lot compared to none the year before. They were not all being asses but some do like to get in your face, block your way, talk loud, be aggressive and rude. This is one of the few things I don't want to watch while chowing down on a KOKOMO burger, a bunch of LB's, being obnoxious. The next night at Ks was much better BTW.
And yes they were getting some attention from mongers who enjoy that sort of action.
No one knows where AC will be in a year, 5 years, etc I hope it stabilizes or improves. I'll be back in April to check on things.
A must read for those who think money is all you need to consistently get great service-this has always been the case, EVERYWHERE. Be a BFE to get the best GFE...Absolutely spot on.
AV.
This is a much more complex issue than simply being the opinion of "over-bearing prudes". I am not carrying a flag for these over-zealous anti-prostitution groups but the situation is not as glib as this.
I doubt very much that ANY woman becomes a sex worker by choice. No amount of rationalization can make me believe that any woman would willingly and regularly want to get into the sex business. I am sure that even the most horny nymphomaniac would still rather be earning money in a different manner than having different unknown guys grunting away on top, sideways or underneath her.
It is all a question of need, and until governments can provide an environment where every resident can gain a worthwhile income then prostitution will remain.
The feminist lobby will keep on pushing and they will have some levels of success but at the end of the day there is a reason why prostitution is known as "the world's oldest profession".Not forgetting that prostitution as an occupation is stratified. Not all are single mothers struggling to educate their kids. The top end girls get into it purely for the money & find that they develop a taste for the money and *shock horror* the sex. These girls make a fortune & move in & out of the biz at will.
AV.
In today's world P4 P is very lucrative for the providers. In the old days escorts had to work very hard in order to get customers, they needed to put a lot of effort into advertising for the clients to know that they're out there. In today's world with social media and the internet all they need to do is sit and wait, be inundated and the good looking girls can beat off the unwanted with a stick. It's a matter of supply and demand. Today, demand outstrips supply and girls can reject whom they want to. I think the strategy should be to find new locales for P $P that are not frequented by foreign punters. They do exist, the trick is to find them. I certainly am looking.
Absolutely agree with AV on this one.
My first observation is that prostitution os one of the very few well paying occupations in which a woman needs no qualifications.
In my local (OZ) tittie bar, the girls regularly make $2,000 per day. And on a real good day, they can make up to $5,000.
But back to topic. Some time ago, I was in Pattaya, and I needed to engage an interpreter for a day. I had no idea as to how to do this, so I put a post on the Pattaya thread. One punter came back with names and numbers for two women who he knew. So I called them both to meet at my hotel. Foiirst one was a regular run of the mill SW, who was not interested.
The second one was amazing. This stunningly attractive woman approached me, and established that she was the second one. We sat and had a coffee and a chat. I explained what I wanted, and she declined, because the money was not enough. Now she wore a dress, very well tailored, high heels, perfect hair style, perfect cosmetics, very good English.
The guy who gave me her number told me that she was the best root that he had ever had, and I could believe him.
So I asked her what she was doing. She told me that her family had got into debt, 3 million THB, and that she had set out to make the money on her back. She did not take overnighters, because her mother and son were staying with her. She took only ST, charged 3,000 THB a time. Ran a diary, usually three johns per day, sometimes 4. Her aim was to make the 3 million in 2 years, and I am sure that she would achieve her objective.
I spoke to her about really high end, 50,000 per night, but she was not interested. Day time only. Now that is my idea of the smart hooker making the best use of her assets.
G
Not forgetting that prostitution as an occupation is stratified. Not all are single mothers struggling to educate their kids. The top end girls get into it purely for the money & find that they develop a taste for the money and *shock horror* the sex. These girls make a fortune & move in & out of the biz at will.
AV.
Member #4698
06-12-14, 14:10
It's a matter of supply and demand. Today, demand outstrips supply and girls can reject whom they want to. I think the strategy should be to find new locales for P $P that are not frequented by foreign punters. They do exist, the trick is to find them. I certainly am looking.I disagree with you about supply and demand. In the PI, Thailand, and Indonesia supply exceeds demand by a wide margin. There are so many women in the P4 P market that most can't lasso a customer every night. Now really good looking girls are always in demand. That is another story, but the average bar girl in AC or Subic is lucky to get 3 customers a week. And then there is low season when times are lean and an average girl is lucky to land one customer a week. Have you seen the dormitories these girls live in? They don't live this way because they want to and are frugal. They have no other economic choice than to live the way they do because of the over supply of available working girls results in their low income. The over supply is why prices are still relatively low.
As to AC girls with attitudes: this has never been a problem for me. I think it depends on the bar, the bar culture, and the individual punter's vibe. I am always friendly and generous, but in some bars the girls seem distant. I just walk out and don't waste my time or money there. In other bars, the girls are all over me. I stay and try to find a girl I like. The bottom line is if you treat the girls nice you will receive a ten fold return on your investment behavior. One thing I noticed, however, on my last trip; once I began buying drinks for a girl I suddenly became popular and all the girls became friendly towards me. I was in Golden Nile or whatever the new name is one night and I started getting friendly with a waitress. All of a sudden the Daddy's Girls started taking an interest in me. I eventually switched horses and barfined one of the dancers. I left a generous tip for the friendly, but left behind waitress. So my 2nd piece of advice is don't be stingy. In addition to treating the girls nice, if you go to the bars to have a good time and are readily willing to offer lady drinks for your new friends, the by product will be a GFE. Filipinas are still the friendliest girls in the world.
One last comment: On my latest visit in April, I found Burgos Bar girls far more friendly and wanton in the bar than their sisters in AC or even Subic. Burgos girls were taking off their tops so I could kiss their nipples, giving hand jobs, and letting me massage their pussy's in the bar. As a result, I plan to spend a lot more time in Makati on my next trip. Maybe the raids are having an effect on AC bar room behavior.
I've run across a few of these and they are often interesting people, sometimes with real jobs. They can be really good at GFE as well. I had one who was so sweet, so loving, that I wasn't sure how or if I had to pay her. I ended up giving here 1 k for taxi. LOL. The next date she said she wanted to go to a restaurant at the mall and after eating she took my wallet shopping. Now I know how much her fee is! She is classy, I have to give her credit for that. Unfortunately, she seems to spend a lot of time in Palawan with her "friend" these days. Lucky bastard. X.
Not forgetting that prostitution as an occupation is stratified. Not all are single mothers struggling to educate their kids. The top end girls get into it purely for the money & find that they develop a taste for the money and *shock horror* the sex. These girls make a fortune & move in & out of the biz at will.
AV.
I disagree with you about supply and demand. In the PI, Thailand, and Indonesia supply exceeds demand by a wide margin. There are so many women in the P4 P market that most can't lasso a customer every night. Now really good looking girls are always in demand. That is another story, but the average bar girl in AC or Subic is lucky to get 3 customers a week. And then there is low season when times are lean and an average girl is lucky to land one customer a week. Have you seen the dormitories these girls live in? They don't live this way because they want to and are frugal. They have no other economic choice than to live the way they do because of the over supply of available working girls results in their low income I concur with the other punters on more demand and agree with you on the living condition. There are ladies who hook up with anyone, what I have seen is these pro hookers (doable) are less compared with the punters in scene. The price increases according to the foreign punter demand. In Asia, most of the places, one rate for locals and a higher rate for foreigners. Local rate doesn't. Change much faster but foreigner rate can be increased pretty fast. I went to one of my bg friend' place. A single room and 2 girls were staying there.
They use a kerosene stove to cook their food within that room. Only one low quality mattress on the floor. Even if that is the case, she was so polite and know how to treat guest in their place. There are another type of girls, who are curious about sex and has no money either for their study or support their family. These kind of girls has big availability in internet. I guess not many punters has enough time for the follow up (I know some of our fellow mongers are very successful on that) Even if you are like Tom Cruise, bringing the dating site girl to bed need ability, time and money. It is like getting job for a university fresh pass out. And once you get one, it is like nuclear fusion. You will suffer with the overwhelming response lolz. When I was in AC, I stayed in kokomos, and most girls know me well. I also bought them LDs.
Most girls are polite and ordered the cheapest drink on my last day and they scold a girl for ordering an expensive drink.
Even I had free drinks from Mama. So it also depends on how you behave to them. Filipinos are fantastic.
So everything is depends on too many factors. Looks, Smile, Time, Money. As AV said, find the places where not many foreign punters are in charge. Also spend some time in bringing the first dating girl to bed. Also don't run behind the stunners with a sack of money lolz.
As to AC girls with attitudes: this has never been a problem for me. I think it depends on the bar, the bar culture, and the individual punter's vibe. I am always friendly and generous, but in some bars the girls seem distant. I just walk out and don't waste my time or money there. In other bars, the girls are all over me. I stay and try to find a girl I like. The bottom line is if you treat the girls nice you will receive a ten fold return on your investment behavior.
Hi Bro, I think we have similar MOs and when I walk into a bar I garner interest from the dancers. I am older but in very good condition, dress well, smell great, tanned, and well mannered. I smile and enjoy the atmosphere if there is any.
In AC, some of the very few top lookers were difficult to get their attention. BF them? Forget it. If I did get their attention it was easy to buy them drinks and impossible to walk them out. I only had this issue w / what I considered the top lookers. Bottom line to me is, it's hard as hell to find DDG BGs, let alone take out the best AC has to offer.
I am in total agreement, the bar culture, management, and freedom of choice are all part of the equation. I am grateful the women can pick and choose but geez, let me have some once in a while.
Like you I had no refusals in Makati but the prices were extremely high in the Burgos bars. Oh, there was one stunner in Bottoms that refused everyone, her name was Rica and she was incredible. She did sit w / me on my last day there and what a delicate treasure she is. She makes it clear that she only wants to giggle around on stage or if your lucky you can buy her a drink. Haha, I was lucky.
Anyway, Happy Hunting.
I disagree with you about supply and demand. In the PI, Thailand, and Indonesia supply exceeds demand by a wide margin. There are so many women in the P4 P market that most can't lasso a customer every night. Now really good looking girls are always in demand. That is another story, but the average bar girl in AC or Subic is lucky to get 3 customers a week. And then there is low season when times are lean and an average girl is lucky to land one customer a week. Have you seen the dormitories these girls live in? They don't live this way because they want to and are frugal. They have no other economic choice than to live the way they do because of the over supply of available working girls results in their low income. The over supply is why prices are still relatively low.
As to AC girls with attitudes: this has never been a problem for me. I think it depends on the bar, the bar culture, and the individual punter's vibe. I am always friendly and generous, but in some bars the girls seem distant. I just walk out and don't waste my time or money there. In other bars, the girls are all over me. I stay and try to find a girl I like. The bottom line is if you treat the girls nice you will receive a ten fold return on your investment behavior. One thing I noticed, however, on my last trip; once I began buying drinks for a girl I suddenly became popular and all the girls became friendly towards me. I was in Golden Nile or whatever the new name is one night and I started getting friendly with a waitress. All of a sudden the Daddy's Girls started taking an interest in me. I eventually switched horses and barfined one of the dancers. I left a generous tip for the friendly, but left behind waitress. So my 2nd piece of advice is don't be stingy. In addition to treating the girls nice, if you go to the bars to have a good time and are readily willing to offer lady drinks for your new friends, the by product will be a GFE. Filipinas are still the friendliest girls in the world.
One last comment: On my latest visit in April, I found Burgos Bar girls far more friendly and wanton in the bar than their sisters in AC or even Subic. Burgos girls were taking off their tops so I could kiss their nipples, giving hand jobs, and letting me massage their pussy's in the bar. As a result, I plan to spend a lot more time in Makati on my next trip. Maybe the raids are having an effect on AC bar room behavior.After reading through this and other threads, it sounds like the best punting is to be found in Manila now, albeit at a slightly higher price. Although many guys prefer point and shoot, it sounds like the aggravation factor is slowly rising in AC.
Key Master
06-12-14, 20:17
After reading through this and other threads, it sounds like the best punting is to be found in Manila now, albeit at a slightly higher price. Although many guys prefer point and shoot, it sounds like the aggravation factor is slowly rising in AC.I've had my best experiences in Manila and Makati in terms of finding some awesome talent and experiences. That said, I don't think it's easy for most people to maneuver. For the areas that most of us will monger, it's somewhat limited in a lot of ways. It's a little more time consuming and think the costs definitely start going up when you start putting EDSA and Burgos are into the equation with a slightly higher risk that the woman might be a real pro. They may try to change the terms of the arrangement once the deed is over the first time. You'll have to travel around more by taxi although significantly cheaper than those expensive trike rides in AC. Burgos and EDSA to me is very up and down on who shows up for work on a given night, just like LA Cafe or Havana. I've had great finds in casas too, but not sure how comfortable most people here would be for that route.
Angeles is kind of simpler as it's pretty small and you don't have to travel great distances for fun. I think the hotels offer better value overall in Angeles compared to the other areas like Manila, Makati and Subic. It just seems more relaxed there. You just have to balance out how you feel out in the city areas of Manila and Makati. Walking around the area of LA Cafe probably not in most people's interest here, although I do it a lot but I'm not usually impaired in any way by alcohol or other. I'm not saying bad things couldn't happen to me even then, just think it's probably best for a good amount of people here not to do much walking around the streets there.
One of the main things I wanted to point out though is that when I'm in Manila or Makati, I don't feel I can always find someone new every night. I consider it a treasure hunt. The volume is not the same compared to Angeles, so that's why I think one of the main reasons to go to AC is to increase one's chances. If you don't mind not finding someone special in your mind every night, then it's probably fine, I just can do without some of the hassle of some of the professionals at EDSA and Burgos for the most part, such that I do Manila and Makati in short stints. I just don't think keeping Angeles out of the equation for most people traveling once or twice a year is feasible for the most part if you are trying to get the most bang for your money. Plus Angeles has more daytime options. I have not gone the online DIA or other routes so can't comment on those.
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So I asked her what she was doing. She told me that her family had got into debt, 3 million THB, and that she had set out to make the money on her back. She did not take overnighters, because her mother and son were staying with her. She took only ST, charged 3,000 THB a time. Ran a diary, usually three johns per day, sometimes 4. Her aim was to make the 3 million in 2 years, and I am sure that she would achieve her objective. This is another instance where this smart, well-educated yada yada woman was doing it BECAUSE SHE HAD TO DO IT TO ERASE A FAMILY DEBT. I assume that when the debt is paid off she will stop doing it.
Very few women are prostitutes because they like sex. I suppose there must be some of them but they would be a minority.
ANGELES CITY, Philippines Men of the Regional Special Operations Group (RSOG) based at Camp Olivas, the regional police headquarters in Pampanga, are facing extortion charges for allegedly demanding P1 million from the owner of a bar they raided here last week.
Chief Inspector Heryl Bruno, provincial chief of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group, said he also ordered an investigation as the RSOG operatives allegedly identified themselves as CIDG members.
Bruno said the owner of Honey Co's bar on Fields Avenue here has filed extortion charges against the RSOG men before the city prosecutor's office.
The police officers though have yet to be named pending their identification by the complainant and witnesses, although they definitely belong to the RSOG, he added.
"The report is that the erring cops had asked the owner for P1 million so that charges would not be pursued against him," Bruno said.
The RSOG men, allegedly identifying themselves as CIDG ope-ratives, reportedly raided Honey Co's bar on the night of June 5 and rounded up 29 women for still unclear reasons.
Nation (Article MRec), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1.
"If their assignment in the raid was legitimate, why did they have to pretend to be CIDG agents?" Bruno asked.
After the bar owner and the women's relatives went to his office as the police officers said they belong to the CIDG, Bruno said he checked with the RSOG regional office at Camp Olivas in San Fernando and confirmed that the women were there.
An entrapment operation was laid out last Saturday after the owner and the RSOG men supposedly agreed on the time and place for the payoff, but the police officers were apparently alerted and did not show up.
http://www.philstar.com/nation/2014/06/13/1334037/camp-olivas-cops-charged-extort-try
ANGELES CITY, Philippines Men of the Regional Special Operations Group (RSOG) based at Camp Olivas, the regional police headquarters in Pampanga, are facing extortion charges for allegedly demanding P1 million from the owner of a bar they raided here last week.
Chief Inspector Heryl Bruno, provincial chief of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group, said he also ordered an investigation as the RSOG operatives allegedly identified themselves as CIDG members.
Bruno said the owner of Honey Co's bar on Fields Avenue here has filed extortion charges against the RSOG men before the city prosecutor's office.
The police officers though have yet to be named pending their identification by the complainant and witnesses, although they definitely belong to the RSOG, he added.
"The report is that the erring cops had asked the owner for P1 million so that charges would not be pursued against him," Bruno said.
The RSOG men, allegedly identifying themselves as CIDG ope-ratives, reportedly raided Honey Co's bar on the night of June 5 and rounded up 29 women for still unclear reasons.
Nation (Article MRec), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1.
"If their assignment in the raid was legitimate, why did they have to pretend to be CIDG agents?" Bruno asked.
After the bar owner and the women's relatives went to his office as the police officers said they belong to the CIDG, Bruno said he checked with the RSOG regional office at Camp Olivas in San Fernando and confirmed that the women were there.
An entrapment operation was laid out last Saturday after the owner and the RSOG men supposedly agreed on the time and place for the payoff, but the police officers were apparently alerted and did not show up.
http://www.philstar.com/nation/2014/06/13/1334037/camp-olivas-cops-charged-extort-tryThis validates what I have been told by people in the bar industry just last week. Instead of paying 1 mill in bribes they chose to fight back with 1 mill in lawyer fees in the hope they can kill off this cancer. I was howled down about this by others here but this news is in line with what I am hearing.
AV.
NapaSlapper
06-13-14, 04:32
Robbaf,
I'm slightly amused to see what you find so good about a foreigner trying to take on the establishment.
The last two times Honey kos was raided the owner paid up big time to get his ass out of jail.
This time hes to skint to pay so took the only other road open, to try and take on the establishment.
Now Lets see, people get killed for 10,000 p or less here in many cases. You take a man to court, make him lose face in the papers and threaten to take away his career and threaten to stop the gravy train for everyone one?
What do you think will be the next move?
Do not ever think that foreigners have rights in the PI, especially against pinoys in high places who have guns.
Wicked Roger
06-13-14, 15:27
Robbaf,
I'm slightly amused to see what you find so good about a foreigner trying to take on the establishment.
Do not ever think that foreigners have rights in the PI, especially against pinoys in high places who have guns.Napa,
Are you another incarnation of Matther Cobb a recent poster since banned as you seem to be all doom and gloom about AC (as MC was) giving us information that many would not know (as MC did though a lot was misinformation) and you have 8 FRs but an AC veteran.
I also like to see the bars owners take on the corrupt police. If the raid is legally warranted so be it. If not why can't someone have the right to file a complaint. There was a report on Margarita Station recently about bar owners complaining to the Chief of Police about his men entering bars, drinking / eating and not paying. So it their right to complain if the facts support the complaint as it seems so for Honey Kos.
I've had my best experiences in Manila and Makati in terms of finding some awesome talent and experiences. That said, I don't think it's easy for most people to maneuver. For the areas that most of us will monger, it's somewhat limited in a lot of ways. It's a little more time consuming and think the costs definitely start going up when you start putting EDSA and Burgos are into the equation with a slightly higher risk that the woman might be a real pro. They may try to change the terms of the arrangement once the deed is over the first time.
It just seems more relaxed there. You just have to balance out how you feel out in the city areas of Manila and Makati. Walking around the area of LA Cafe probably not in most people's interest here, although I do it a lot but I'm not usually impaired in any way by alcohol or other. I'm not saying bad things couldn't happen to me even then, just think it's probably best for a good amount of people here not to do much walking around the streets there.
I just don't think keeping Angeles out of the equation for most people traveling once or twice a year is feasible for the most part if you are trying to get the most bang for your money. Plus Angeles has more daytime options. I have not gone the online DIA or other routes so can't comment on those.I hear you, and that was my original impression. Its just that this long string of posts is saying that the "more laid back, point and shoot" atmosphere of AC isn't true anymore.
I disagree with you about supply and demand. In the PI, Thailand, and Indonesia supply exceeds demand by a wide margin. There are so many women in the P4 P market that most can't lasso a customer every night. Now really good looking girls are always in demand. That is another story, but the average bar girl in AC or Subic is lucky to get 3 customers a week. And then there is low season when times are lean and an average girl is lucky to land one customer a week. Have you seen the dormitories these girls live in? They don't live this way because they want to and are frugal. They have no other economic choice than to live the way they do because of the over supply of available working girls results in their low income. The over supply is why prices are still relatively low.
.The determination of supply and demand, as in economics, is a complicated matter. In my last visit to AC in 2007 the place was abuzz with activity. If a head count was done though I would say there were more providers than mongers. Nevertheless, the quantifying of supply and demand is not necessarily a matter of numbers of visible partakers at any one time, the quantities vary. Remember, for all the mongers who are on the ground at a particular time there are many others who travel to the Philippines who are back home in the US and Europe awaiting their turn. My take is that a decision on either side is a matter of speculation in the absence of a study of which I am unaware. What I am certain about is that the demand for doable providers (which is only what I am interested in) outstrips the supply. As far as the cost is concerned, this is influenced by the standard and cost of living in the country. The US, Canada and Europe for example are more expensive for obvious reasons. In Brazil the standard and cost of living rose tremendously in the past ten years or so and so did the cost of P $P.
It is not hard to figure out whether there is more supply or demand. It comes down to whether the price is going up or down. Everything else is just speculation! There was speculation that after the typhoon, the supply side would go up dramatically. Speculation that doe not seem to have happened yet. BF remains about the same, other than increases to cover the cost of law enforcement agencies.
Some will argue whatever but in the end the market dictates the price for value.
Member #4698
06-13-14, 17:46
All I can say about supply and demand in PI bars is anecdotal based what I saw on the ground in AC, Subic, and Makati. The demand aggregate is seasonal. Supply is pretty constant except around holidays when many girls go home to be with their families. I was in the PI in late April 2014 which is a transition point from high to low season. In most of the bars I frequented at this time the ratio of girls to customers was at least 3 or 4 to 1. For example in Tao at around 10 pm there were at least 30 girls and maybe 10 customers. In Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile) there were at least 40 girls and maybe 10 customers. In Club Asia there were at least 30 girls and maybe 10 customers. In Shipwrecked (One Eyed Wench) there were maybe 20 girls and probably 10 customers. Now my numbers are raw estimates, but they are good enough to make my point that supply far exceeds demand on any given night and that whenever I walked into an AC Fields bar there were literally scores of available girls to choose from. The question then becomes how many of these available girls were shagable IMHO. In a good bar like GP for example there were at least 10 very attractive girls and a couple of stunners. In a bad bar the number of shagable girls is zero. Tastes vary though on who is attractive.
Additionally I found even more skewed ratios is Subic and Makati. For example I went to Alaska bar one night around 9 pm. There had to be at least 25 girls there and I was the only punter! Now that is skewed. LOL. The girls swarmed me.
In Makati, I spent a lot of time in Stardust where there was at least a 4 to 1 ratio of girls to customers. And lastly, in Bottoms bar, my favorite bar in the PI this trip, there were at least 40 girls and maybe 10 customers while I was in the bar from 9pm to 11pm on more than one night. Now all this is anecdotal, but my rough numbers are accurate.
One final thought: I did not stick around the bars to see the final tallies of how many girls were eventually barfinned on a given evening. There is continual flow of punters entering and leaving bars all night long so the ratio may vary through the course of the evening and the cumulative number of potential customers rises while the number of girls lessens as girls are barfined, but all I care about is the number of bar girls and the available quality when I am on the hunt in prime time. Consistently I saw many, many more girls than punters in most bars and focusing in on say Grand Phaaoh (GN), the number of really attractive and available girls was 10 out of 40 girls total, in my opinion.
Thus I am still pretty sure that many girls do not get barfinned on any given night. Furthermore, as I walked up and down Fields Walking Street I was struck by the low number of punters out there. This is why I conclude it is a buyers market with supply vastly outnumbering demand.
It is not hard to figure out whether there is more supply or demand. It comes down to whether the price is going up or down. Everything else is just speculation! There was speculation that after the typhoon, the supply side would go up dramatically. Speculation that doe not seem to have happened yet. BF remains about the same, other than increases to cover the cost of law enforcement agencies.
Some will argue whatever but in the end the market dictates the price for value.The law of supply and demand assumes that the market is efficient. That means, the prices will rise or drop until the sweet spot is reached.
But the bar fine is fixed, isn't it? Or is the bar fine negotiable. If the bar fine is fixed, than the laws of supply and demand don't really work that well.
The law of supply and demand assumes that the market is efficient. That means, the prices will rise or drop until the sweet spot is reached.
But the bar fine is fixed, isn't it? Or is the bar fine negotiable. If the bar fine is fixed, than the laws of supply and demand don't really work that well.The law works perfect. Willing seller. Willing buyer. The bar may have a fixed price just as the buyer may have a fixed price. You as buyer do not have to buy. The market is efficient with plenty of supply.
No need to over think this. You want poon? Plenty available. Price is within my target range.
The law works perfect. Willing seller. Willing buyer. The bar may have a fixed price just as the buyer may have a fixed price. You as buyer do not have to buy. The market is efficient with plenty of supply.
No need to over think this. You want poon? Plenty available. Price is within my target range.I am not overthinking this. You are oversimplifying it.
"Willing buyer, willing seller." All that you are saying is that it is an open market. But if prices are fixed, than its not necessarily an efficient free market.
This isn't a small detail, this is the heart of the issue. People are saying that quality and service are down, and that its not "worth it" anymore. What they are really trying to say, is that even with the lower price, the quality of service is not up to par GIVEN WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. I am sure that if the bar fine were negotiable, people would again say that AC is a good value destination. When people are saying that they would rather go to Manila, what they are saying is that they are willing to pay more because the service is better. The price is right.
For every service, whether the girl is smoking hot are just above average, GFE or not, there is an efficient price point at which the buyer is "satisfied. " When you have to pay the same no matter what, like paying the same ticket price for big and small movies, that's when guys complain.
I am not overthinking this. You are oversimplifying it.
"Willing buyer, willing seller." All that you are saying is that it is an open market. But if prices are fixed, than its not necessarily an efficient free market.
This isn't a small detail, this is the heart of the issue. People are saying that quality and service are down, and that its not "worth it" anymore. What they are really trying to say, is that even with the lower price, the quality of service is not up to par GIVEN WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. I am sure that if the bar fine were negotiable, people would again say that AC is a good value destination. When people are saying that they would rather go to Manila, what they are saying is that they are willing to pay more because the service is better. The price is right.
For every service, whether the girl is smoking hot are just above average, GFE or not, there is an efficient price point at which the buyer is "satisfied. " When you have to pay the same no matter what, like paying the same ticket price for big and small movies, that's when guys complain.With all due respect most things in life are simple. The heart of the matter is I want to get laid and what is the cost and is it available with reasonable effort. Looks and service are subjective. YMMV. I don't place a lot of value in members ratings, since we don't know the conditions and environments, social economics, psychology and / or physical nature of the monger / member.
Yesterday price like everything else is yesterday's price. There are members here that would still complain prices are high even if they were rolled backed to 15 years ago.
I am going there to get laid! Not to analyze the crap out of it. Next thing you know someone is going to measure the cost of stokes per peso!
With all due respect most things in life are simple. The heart of the matter is I want to get laid and what is the cost and is it available with reasonable effort. Looks and service are subjective. YMMV. I don't place a lot of value in members ratings, since we don't know the conditions and environments, social economics, psychology and / or physical nature of the monger / member.
Yesterday price like everything else is yesterday's price. There are members here that would still complain prices are high even if they were rolled backed to 15 years ago.
I am going there to get laid! Not to analyze the crap out of it. Next thing you know someone is going to measure the cost of stokes per peso!But the whole thread of conversation was about changes in the AC scene! If you don't care, and are happy to just be able to get laid at all, then why did you even bother to enter the conversation?
Pip Jaeger
06-13-14, 22:55
Tastes vary though on who is attractive.
That statement alone hits the nail right on the head. Price really doesn't matter if you want it bad enough. And our tastes are all very different. Just take a look through the photo gallery, plenty of girls (body types) there that I don't find the least bit attractive, but based on the text the person who posted them was very happy. All of our ideas about what's a "stunner" and what's a "2 bagger" is highly subjective.
Case in point: last year I spoon fed a girl to another ISG'are, was an 8 in my book, a 23 year old 40 kg spinner, but he turned her down (and cheap fuck didn't even give her jeepny fare to get home). Later that same day I seen him with a 60+ kg 40 ish year old that looked like a bull dog; not something I'd ever be interested in and yet he was the picture of happiness with her. We met again a few days later and he was still seeing her. He then told me he likes big (read fat, not just chubby) girls. Any age, 18 to 50 was what he told me.
So even if our collective opinion here on the board is that the quality is going down in AC, there's still plenty of punters who'll barfine even the "ugliest" and "chubbiest" (is that a word, LOL) of girls. I doubt AC is any danger of rolling up the side walks and going out of business soon. Speaking of sidewalks, does anyone think the city fathers would have invested in re-paving walking street if they were thinking of shutting it down? IMHO the bars are there to stay, raids will continue as always, either driven for financial gain by the police, by NGO pressure or as a means of a takeover from other bar owners (with the police being in it), the supply of girls will be there as long the economy in the Phils remains suppressed and the "quality" will ebb and flow like the tides.
But the whole thread of conversation was about changes in the AC scene! If you don't care, and are happy to just be able to get laid at all, then why did you even bother to enter the conversation?I am interested in getting laid and the price / value point. The posting has been more the "sky is falling" and not the same anymore. Then it got analytical. I only stated my point of view and what concerns me. I don't care about the so called "changes" as I haven't seen it nor have I experienced it there.
I only stated my point of view and what concerns me. I don't care about the so called "changes" as I haven't seen it nor have I experienced it there.Fine, then say THAT. But your ACTUAL post in tone was something alone the lines of "you guys don't know how to enjoy life, blah blah. ".
Fine, then say THAT. But your ACTUAL post in tone was something alone the lines of "you guys don't know how to enjoy life, blah blah. ".I didn't say that. I understand now that some people rather disect, analyze and chart for enjoyment along with being an alarmist.
Some people that is.
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