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NapaSlapper
06-14-14, 03:23
Napa,

You have 8 FRs but an AC veteran.

I also like to see the bars owners take on the corrupt police. If the raid is legally warranted so be it. If not why can't someone have the right to file a complaint. There was a report on Margarita Station recently about bar owners complaining to the Chief of Police about his men entering bars, drinking / eating and not paying. So it their right to complain if the facts support the complaint as it seems so for Honey Kos.Wicked Roger,

I was not aware that every long time visitor to the PI had to be a member of Internationalsexguide and have many posts on said site.

To like the bar owners taking on the police is one thing, to actually do it and not end up dead is another thing all together especially in Angeles city where foreign deaths are so common and life is so cheap.

Eight weeks ago someone else thought they could take on the establishment in PI and alas he is dead now, as we are not allowed to post names or links to other sites ill let you use google to see if I'm right or wrong, oh I forgot, I could not know any thing as I only got a few posts.

Robbaf
06-14-14, 04:24
Robbaf,

I'm slightly amused to see what you find so good about a foreigner trying to take on the establishment.

The last two times Honey kos was raided the owner paid up big time to get his ass out of jail.

This time hes to skint to pay so took the only other road open, to try and take on the establishment.

Now Lets see, people get killed for 10,000 p or less here in many cases. You take a man to court, make him lose face in the papers and threaten to take away his career and threaten to stop the gravy train for everyone one?

What do you think will be the next move?

Do not ever think that foreigners have rights in the PI, especially against pinoys in high places who have guns.What is good? It is in the news that a bar was raided for extortion. I understand the owner took a very big risk and I respect him for it.

Key Master
06-15-14, 03:24
I hear you, and that was my original impression. Its just that this long string of posts is saying that the "more laid back, point and shoot" atmosphere of AC isn't true anymore.For me, I had no problems a few weeks ago. It's hard to tell who's who here. We don't know anything about how they behave or look and yada yada yada. I am mid 40's but look late 20's to them and do fine. I see people getting rejected there so it's not point and shoot for everyone. It's all relative. Not everyone can have everyone there. Some people like it this way and some people don't. You can go based on some general information about the place and decide if that style if for you and then find out if you go. I've had ups and downs going there before. For awhile I couldn't stand the place, but been pretty happy for last year on what I've been scoring, but that's me. I think if you feel like it's your type of place, budget, etc. , to give it a shot and see.

Slippery
06-15-14, 04:14
Wicked Roger,

I was not aware that every long time visitor to the PI had to be a member of Internationalsexguide and have many posts on said site.

To like the bar owners taking on the police is one thing, to actually do it and not end up dead is another thing all together especially in Angeles city where foreign deaths are so common and life is so cheap.

Eight weeks ago someone else thought they could take on the establishment in PI and alas he is dead now, as we are not allowed to post names or links to other sites ill let you use google to see if I'm right or wrong, oh I forgot, I could not know any thing as I only got a few posts.Kindly enlighten those of us who are not capable of performing a proper Google search on this subject. A mere rendition of the facts surrounding this crime does not violate any of this webiste's rules.

Socker
06-15-14, 05:55
For me, I had no problems a few weeks ago. It's hard to tell who's who here. We don't know anything about how they behave or look and yada yada yada. I am mid 40's but look late 20's to them and do fine. I see people getting rejected there so it's not point and shoot for everyone. It's all relative. Not everyone can have everyone there. Some people like it this way and some people don't. You can go based on some general information about the place and decide if that style if for you and then find out if you go. I've had ups and downs going there before. For awhile I couldn't stand the place, but been pretty happy for last year on what I've been scoring, but that's me. I think if you feel like it's your type of place, budget, etc. , to give it a shot and see.I like that "who's who here" and I'm one of the who's.

First off, I like AC and will go back. I was there a few weeks ago as well so we were there at the same time. I can only compare my last visit w / my 4 other visits, my first visit in 2010 was the best for quality and willing BGs. Simultaneously 4 years of bar raids and their consequences have risen dramatically since 2010. So I assume the better looking ladies (w / other options available) do not want to take the chance of working at ground zero in the NBI & IJM's target area, ANGELES CITY, hence a GREAT REDUCTION of good looking BGs. This is my opinion based on my experiences and analysis. My eyes and brain haven't changed since 2010 and I have no reason to alter my opinion of the place except that it is not the same place as it was in 2010.

I go for the same kind of BGs every time out, the youngest and prettiest BGs I can find. In 2010 my type of BG was plentiful, 4 years and many raids later, not so plentiful, and ALSO not so willing to leave the bar. I am kind, generous, well dressed, expensive cologne, blah blah blah, it doesn't matter. The (very few) top tier AC BGs (IMO) are drink sluts or worse. It's the same in Cebu's Mango Square bars (probably worse) and CONVERSELY in Manila every BG was willing to do business, NO REFUSALS. In Manila there were several very pretty and sexy women, in AC very few, MO.

This is what I saw and experienced and I'm stating it simple and clear. There is no question about, "who's who" and I just told you about myself, I look good and had no problems in 2010 finding really hot babes. Nobody in AC said anything in 2010 about whether a BG would go w / a non Korean but now it's a hourly occurrence there.

If I aim low I get no resistance and this is my opinion about looks. I think guys here and everywhere for that matter don't aim that high and so they have the opinion of. What's the problem? I never have a problem! I find all the beauties I want! There are plenty of good looking women!

Well, there is where the confusion lies. We all have different ideas of beauty. My type of beauty is on the big decline in AC. I can also judge Cebu because I have gone there the last few years as well. I cannot judge anything about Manila because it is my first trip. What I saw in Manila was dramatically different (in the looks dept.) than Angeles City. These are my opinions and I think you know who I am NOW.

I would say again, I like AC and plan on returning. I got very lucky there this last trip and I hung on to her for 4 days. She would go home in the afternoon so I roamed the Perimeter bars and had a little more fun but my type of beauty was hard to find. So I enjoyed a few plan Bs, they were ALSO very enjoyable too.

This was my experience. Lets hear from the next guy.

Cheers.

Slippery
06-15-14, 06:09
Maybe time for me to TOFTT. Its been several months since I've been up to AC from Manila. Perhaps a couple of nights there are in order.

Socker
06-15-14, 07:24
Maybe time for me to TOFTT. Its been several months since I've been up to AC from Manila. Perhaps a couple of nights there are in order.AC is a fantastic experience and I only cover one part of it. I'm a bar guy, that's it, and there are many bars I haven't set foot in so I still have a lot to do there.

The thing about AC is that there is a high percentage of warm hearted BGs. They are sweet, kind and innocent. Giving of their time and affection and they know they will be left behind 100% of the time.

I never had this experience in Cebu or Manila only in AC. I'm talking BGs and only BGs. The AC BF cost is much lower than the big cities and you can get much more for your money in the form of kind hearted sweetness.

That's why I will return, plus I have more recon work to do.

Enjoy AC, the sooner the better.

Wicked Roger
06-15-14, 07:30
Wicked Roger,

I was not aware that every long time visitor to the PI had to be a member of Internationalsexguide and have many posts on said site.

To like the bar owners taking on the police is one thing, to actually do it and not end up dead is another thing all together especially in Angeles city where foreign deaths are so common and life is so cheap.

Eight weeks ago someone else thought they could take on the establishment in PI and alas he is dead now, as we are not allowed to post names or links to other sites ill let you use google to see if I'm right or wrong, oh I forgot, I could not know any thing as I only got a few posts.NS,

Of course you can post links to other sites as long as not an ISG competition or commerical etc. Links to newspapers have always been accepted and a quick RTFF would have indicated that this practice is accepted by Jackson for a long time.

So please enlighten us as Slippery said. Who was murdered 8 weeks ago for taking on the establishment, which bar owners are scared etc as this information is in the pblic domain as you said so post a link (s) for all to see.

A number of Koreans have been killed recently for sure but many blame that on some mafia type feud etc and this is widely reported on variuous sites.

To prove my point and hopefully encourage you not to post mere speculation (as M Cobb did a while back) here is a link to the Honey Ko raid and the comment from another web site (Harry the Horse) about the owner being a 'hero'.

http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=10310

So we are waiting for all the links as you said we can Google but Slippery can't find. So please post the links for all to see or stop spreading misinformation that is misleading, possibly biased and without any substantive support.

NapaSlapper
06-15-14, 07:43
Kindly enlighten those of us who are not capable of performing a proper Google search on this subject. A mere rendition of the facts surrounding this crime does not violate any of this webiste's rules.Police chief inspector associated with Camp Crame (people responsible for the AC bar raids) fired some of his men on similar charges to the honey kos bar owners claims.

On 16th April said chief inspector was ambushed while driving his Toyota altis by motor bike riding assailants and shot dead execution style.

Now that you got all the relevant information and dates it should be childs play to find online the newspaper article stating the facts.

Always remember, if a chief inspector can be silenced a lowly foreigner can be silenced even easier and far far cheaper.

Morale of the story, don't mess with peoples money train in the phils unless you have a death wish.

Capt Munch
06-15-14, 08:01
To like the bar owners taking on the police is one thing, to actually do it and not end up dead is another thing all together especially in Angeles city where foreign deaths are so common and life is so cheap.Related to the Honey Ko's raid. In today's paper.

Camp Olivas intelligence head denies extort attempt.

By Ric Sapnu (The Philippine Star).

Updated June 15,2014 - 12:00 am.

CAMP OLIVAS, Pampanga, Philippines The head of the regional police intelligence section here has denied that elements of the Regional Special Operations Group (RSOG) allegedly tried to extort P1 million from the owner of a bar they raided last Friday in Balibago, Angeles City.

In a text message to The STAR, Chief Inspector Melvin Montante, regional intelligence section chief, said the RSOG operatives actually filed a case for violation of the Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act against Honey Ko Bar owner, a certain Veronica Raymundo, an unidentified Australian national, and at least five employees of the fun joint before the Angeles City prosecutor's office.

"How could the operatives ask or demand P1 million from Raymundo when we have filed the charges in court?" Montante said, adding that the RSOG men's operation was legitimate.

The RSOG operatives were able to rescue 24 women in the raid on Honey Ko Bar along Fields Avenue in Balibago and later turned them over to social workers, Montante said.

Chief Inspector Heryl Bruno, Pampanga chief of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG), earlier said Raymundo has filed extortion charges against the RSOG operatives.

Bruno did not identify the RSOG operatives, who he alleged introduced themselves as belonging to the CIDG when they raided the Balibago bar.

Link: http://www.philstar.com/nation/2014/06/15/1334823/camp-olivas-intelligence-head-denies-extort-attempt.

NapaSlapper
06-15-14, 08:04
Socker,

I admire your honesty, its not easy to claim out aloud on an AC oriented board the truths of the very declining girls looks / weight of late.

As you quite rightly point out some people have high expectations of what they want after spending large amounts of money and flying half way around the world, I'm one of those people, I want the top 10% of beautiful girls in any destination I travel too.

On the other hand, some are happy as long as the body is warm and has got a pulse then hey look at me I scored a super model again they will claim out loud.

Look at the many photos of guys conquests posted on many of the Angeles based sites to see what type of girls guys seem to believe are super fit.

I'm truly happy for the guys that are happy with the bar scene of Angeles city, I for one will wait until the quality resembles that of a few years ago before returning.

Amavida
06-15-14, 11:05
Bloody girly bars are my Kryptonite. I've been on the wagon but last weeks market research has ruined my run.

Dropped into Brown Sugar just for one drink & report.

About 30 girls on stage.

One or two that were not my cup of tea facially but most ranged from Pinoy girl next door to quite cute. No stunners on stage.

A few floating around that obviously were property of Korean sugar daddies (confirmed).

Half a dozen customer examples of human wreckage semi recumbent in the booths.

One waitress joined me for a drink, nice person but not my thing. A lovely visaya spinner waitress who was a hard worker (the only one capable of working at a pace faster than a sloth) zoomed over for a drink. We got into a nice conversation, I told her I was just there for a drink & not for a take out that night as I had early business appointments. She insisted on getting my digits & promised to join me after her shift regardless. She did contact me at 5 am, I put her off until the afternoon. Total GFE, offered me a package deal. I'm not a cheap Charlie but I can't resist a bargain. I made sure to give the bar a cut but compensated her well. Decent nice person.

YMMV.

AV.

BronzeMan
06-15-14, 12:10
In my humble experience the girls in Manila bars are pretty much the same as those in AC. Many are from the same poor provinces like Samar. The ones who are from Manila are usually from slums. Most have dark skin in both places. Many are out of shape in both places. Probably 30 percent have saggy boobs and stretch marked stomachs. A few more claim to be in school in Manila but in general they seemed no more educated or well mannered than pure bar girls of AC. Looks were about the same quality too.

There are only two differences that I can see. I've never met a bar girl in Manila who hesitated to go out of asked, and Manila bars are two to six times more expensive.

Pip Jaeger
06-15-14, 17:02
One waitress joined me for a drink, nice person but not my thing. A lovely visaya spinner waitress who was a hard worker (the only one capable of working at a pace faster than a sloth) zoomed over for a drink. We got into a nice conversation, I told her I was just there for a drink & not for a take out that night as I had early business appointments. She insisted on getting my digits & promised to join me after her shift regardless. She did contact me at 5 am, I put her off until the afternoon. Total GFE, offered me a package deal. I'm not a cheap Charlie but I can't resist a bargain. I made sure to give the bar a cut but compensated her well. Decent nice person.

I'm curious, if the lady offered to see you on her own time why would you compensate the bar?

Eric Burden
06-15-14, 17:31
Not much posted on the Clark area around the holiday Inn. It is kind of quiet. Most mongrels go to fields, get a girl in the bars and bring her back. This is a lot if work and requires some transportation. Jeepney, trikes.

There are several massage places. All are legitimate, but maybe an occasional HJ or they will visit your room. One technique is to ask the girl for extras and if they decline, ask if they have a friend that does. Almost all know some working girls and can arrange for you. 1500 up.

Bars. London Pub usually has a few working girls. Lots show up when the soldiers are in town. I have seen a few in Copas bar in Holiday inn usually in groups of 2-3. They are well behaved and never approach customers. They are usually dressed in sexy skirts. You have to strike up a conversation and try your game to make sure they are really working. No other bars here, only restaurants.

Taxi drivers. No taxis in Clark but the limo / car drivers hang out in the parking lot next to Holiday Inn. I have heard they will arrange for a girl for a small tip. Just need to strike up a conversation with them. They will also go pick up the girl.

Casinos. Never tried.

EB.

Amjeck
06-15-14, 18:19
Socker,


I'm truly happy for the guys that are happy with the bar scene of Angeles city, I for one will wait until the quality resembles that of a few years ago before returning.Good luck!

It's rare that any mongering scene actually gets better after all the fools show up.

NapaSlapper
06-15-14, 18:26
Wicked rRger as you have called in to question my honesty and also accused me of spreading misinformation and even being another board member here is the link to prove my case.

I have also taken the time to go back quite a way and look at some of your many posts and a pattern is clear to see that you love to try to pick holes / discredit the claims of new members, try to play nicely in future mr Wicked Roger, here's the link and it will be the last I will say on this matter.

http://www.philstar.com/metro/2014/04/17/1313448/cop-killed-wife-hurt-ambush

Amavida
06-15-14, 21:55
I'm curious, if the lady offered to see you on her own time why would you compensate the bar?Their time is rarely their own. Most work six nights a week, some seven. If she's with me on a work night the bar is due their cut. If she develops trust/rapport with you she may start coming over on her days off. In that case no bar fine needed. If you gain her respect she often will invite you into her world (you come to her place). No matter how much she likes you she still has bills to pay. Be supportive & don't take advantage of her.

I don't play gamyes trying to cheat the bar or the girl out of money. The bars provide the girls, they have overheads, cheating them only leads to the girl getting kicked out or fined by the bar. They are mostly single mothers doing a horrible job to look after their kids. Getting girls into problems with the bar only leads to decrease in supply of girls in the end.

There is a mutually agreed gray area where a girl wants to switch over to being a fuck buddy / gf. Most girls understand this.

I have no respect for pricks who try to take advantage the girls & the bars.

The other day I was buying a piece of Ethernet (network) cable & realised that was about all a girl gets to spend the night with me. So little.

AV.

Key Master
06-15-14, 23:18
I'm truly happy for the guys that are happy with the bar scene of Angeles city, I for one will wait until the quality resembles that of a few years ago before returning.I actually think you'll be lucky to do something like that unless you live in Asia and can get to Angeles the next day. Sometimes there will be stretches of days or weeks or months that the talent level in terms of looks may remain high, but it's really pushing it after the days or weeks. The talent disappears here quickly for a variety of reasons. They think they have fallen in love with a foreigner or local. They get pregnant. They are getting supported. Someone takes them out of the bar for a week or month here and they come back and someone else does something similar. They are too tired to work, etc. I think it would be very hard for someone who lives overseas where it takes a half a day or more to travel across the world to try and time the ebbs and flows on when the talent levels are high here. For someone who has a definite time for a vacation, either you do it or you don't. When I was there recently, there were three women I met, that I wanted to come back for another night. Guess what? I never saw them again the whole trip. I went into their bars multiple times looking for them and they were gone. I don't know the exact reasons but it's probably one of the reasons I put above.

I've always considered AC a place that is laid out easily for a monger to find decent to great GFE experiences with some decent to good looking women. Sometimes you can score some hot ones, but it takes some luck in many ways for that. I've had many plans to see some I've seen before when I'm back only to find out that they're off the scene temporarily usually because someone has taken them off the scene with support or them living with them. I usually don't go in there with a plan thinking it's all going to run according to some definite plan. My only plan is to have a good time. If I go in there thinking I'm going to score 8's, 9's and 10's in looks the whole way, I think you will be sorely disappointed. I don't think this is the place for that.

Slippery
06-15-14, 23:45
Wicked rRger as you have called in to question my honesty and also accused me of spreading misinformation and even being another board member here is the link to prove my case.

I have also taken the time to go back quite a way and look at some of your many posts and a pattern is clear to see that you love to try to pick holes / discredit the claims of new members, try to play nicely in future mr Wicked Roger, here's the link and it will be the last I will say on this matter.

http://www.philstar.com/metro/2014/04/17/1313448/cop-killed-wife-hurt-ambushThank you for providing the source of the information you referred to. No wonder I couldn't find it. Not that I disagree that the bar business can be a dirty and deadly endeavor for a white man in Angeles, but the article doesn't even remotely touch on that idea. Speculation and conjecture point to Honey Ko's. The beloved decedent appears to be so filthy, he could have been murdered by anybody at the bottom of any cookie jar he had his fingers in. With that kind of logic, Marilyn Monroe killed JFK. And its "moral" not "morale".

Robbaf
06-16-14, 01:53
I'm curious, if the lady offered to see you on her own time why would you compensate the bar?Because you met her in the bar. If everyone continues to sneak out girls, by-passing the bar, there will be no bars. So an owner finds the girls, pays for the licenses and medical, pays her salary, as well as the operating cost of running a bar and if they don't make money, they will not be in business. Now if after the first barfine, she gives you her number and wants to see you outside of work, that is between you and her.

If you meet a girl online, mall or walking down the street, up to you what you do, even if she works in the bar.

Wicked Roger
06-16-14, 03:37
Thank you for providing the source of the information you referred to. No wonder I couldn't find it. Not that I disagree that the bar business can be a dirty and deadly endeavor for a white man in Angeles, but the article doesn't even remotely touch on that idea. Speculation and conjecture point to Honey Ko's. The beloved decedent appears to be so filthy, he could have been murdered by anybody at the bottom of any cookie jar he had his fingers in. With that kind of logic, Marilyn Monroe killed JFK. And its "moral" not "morale".Napa.

Slippery is correct.

I read that article when it was first published and can see no connection to your comments and this article that speaks about shabu not the bar scene. And this is Manila not AC.

As for being picky. I am not but I am just basically pointing out you are giving out misinformation and spreading rumours just like M Cobb did a while back (go look at the special thread on that).

So back to the original question and request to gve all of us information to support what you claimed, not an article about a police officer being shot in Manila (we are speaking about AC Napa not Manila BTW).

The link I posted was specific to Honey Kos etc so please can you do similar and post links specific to the information you claimed or stop spreading misinformation.

Capt Munch
06-16-14, 04:31
I read that article when it was first published and can see no connection to your comments and this article that speaks about shabu not the bar scene. And this is Manila not AC.Agreed WR.

The "slaying" of the various Barangay officials around the country is all to common an occurrence. It is hard to read the newspapers without seeing an article almost on a daily basis where that hasn't happened somewhere in this country. Well. . . . sometimes it a policeman or other government official.

Other than "winning the pork barrel lotto", you have to wonder why anyone would be in politics in the Philippines at any level.

Invariably, the article will mention "tandem motorcycle riders" approaching the victims, getting shots off from either a 45 (no shell casings found?) or they deduce that 9 mm was used if shell casings are found. (I believe).

Guns are pretty easily obtained in this country and pretty easily used as well.

Another reason to keep a low profile at all times.

Munch.

Amavida
06-17-14, 00:30
Socker,

I admire your honesty, its not easy to claim out aloud on an AC oriented board the truths of the very declining girls looks / weight of late.

As you quite rightly point out some people have high expectations of what they want after spending large amounts of money and flying half way around the world, I'm one of those people, I want the top 10% of beautiful girls in any destination I travel too.

On the other hand, some are happy as long as the body is warm and has got a pulse then hey look at me I scored a super model again they will claim out loud.

Look at the many photos of guys conquests posted on many of the Angeles based sites to see what type of girls guys seem to believe are super fit.

I'm truly happy for the guys that are happy with the bar scene of Angeles city, I for one will wait until the quality resembles that of a few years ago before returning.Laying around my condo waiting for me to shag her whenever I feel like it. Not a Macau model but looks pretty friggin nice orgamsming on the end of my dick. I feel sorry for you mate. Enjoy life, its so short.

AV.

Turgid
06-17-14, 01:29
Okay I'm going to go with the majority of posters who seem to indicate that there is indeed a shortage in the supply of doable quality girls in AC. Were I traveling to the Philippines tomorrow I would not stay in AC but would go to Manila. I would continue to monitor the situation for my intended trip later this year.

Fastpiston
06-17-14, 04:44
I am always surprised at the number of men who actually marry the bar girls that they find in Angeles. I have seen so many turn out to be unfortunate experiences to say the least. Usually, those who have made the terrible mistake, go into denial.

A few cautionary notes are always helpful.

The girls working in the bars are prostitutes. One may not like the word, but if the bar girls have sex with guys for money, they fulfill the definition.

The girls in the bars are primarily working for money; additionally some are also looking for marriage to lock in financial support from a foreigner. This is especially the case if they have kids from Filipinos. From what I have seen about 50% have kids.

Many of the girls in the bars are already married to Filipinos. Whether the husband ran off or not, according to Filipino law they are married. If you want to marry such a girl you will have to bear the substantial legal expense of a marriage annulment.

When an unmarried bar girl has had kids outside marriage, there is always a biological father lucking in the background, no matter what story-line the bar girl gives. Chances are substantial that the biological father will drift back into the foreigner's household, after an appropriate time, under the guise of a 'brother', 'cousin' etc. Seeking employment as a 'driver'. Sexual relations will likely continue where they left off, especially if the bar girl marries an older foreigner.

Note also that most bar girls have and love Filipino boy friends. These boy friends are part of the prostitution food chain. Never expect a bar girl to admit this, but it is common knowledge among the Filipino population in Angeles. Such boy friends will look to a marriage to a foreigner as a way to get access to money, one way or another.

Once one is married, take note of the law of 'concubinism', which was put on the status of law in the Philippines by the Catholic Church. One must be extremely careful if you still want to have some female variety after marrying.

Be careful about taking the newly married bar girl to Europe / US, there is temptation there to divorce and get married to a younger, better looking, more financially well off husband.

There are other points, but most of this really is common sense.

Remember, there are many beautiful fully qualified licensed nurses, doctors, hotel managers, teachers and other qualified girls that may be able to continue their careers abroad after marrying and not be a financial burden as a bar girl would almost certainly be. Of course there are some guys who may feel incompatible with someone who is educated.

Have fun, but be careful when signing legal documents!

Member #4566
06-17-14, 07:02
The girls in the bars are primarily working for money; additionally some are also looking for marriage to lock in financial support from a foreigner. This is especially the case if they have kids from Filipinos. From what I have seen about 50% have kids.

Many of the girls in the bars are already married to Filipinos. Whether the husband ran off or not, according to Filipino law they are married. If you want to marry such a girl you will have to bear the substantial legal expense of a marriage annulment.If money is the primary reason why the girls in the bar are working (That is the primary reason why I work.) then they probably did not have enough money to pay for the wedding in the first place. Many, if not most, poor couples in the PI have never solemnified their relationship with a ceremony. They merely hold out to the world that they are married and that is the end of it. No anulment necessary.

Anyway. It is the dumbest thing in the world to get involved with a BG.

Red Kilt
06-17-14, 08:32
I am always surprised at the number of men who actually marry the bar girls that they find in Angeles. I have seen so many turn out to be unfortunate experiences to say the least. Usually, those who have made the terrible mistake, go into denial.

<. SNIP. >

Remember, there are many beautiful fully qualified licensed nurses, doctors, hotel managers, teachers and other qualified girls that may be able to continue their careers abroad after marrying and not be a financial burden as a bar girl would almost certainly be. Of course there are some guys who may feel incompatible with someone who is educated.
Definitely a "Post of Distinction".

Can someone who knows how to endorse this as a P O D please do so; I don't know how.

NapaSlapper
06-17-14, 08:59
Fastpiston, I salute you, what a post, needs to be under posts of distinction (if anyone knows how).

I 100% agree with every word printed, especially the line about some guys would not feel comfortable with an educated girl.

I dated a Manila nurse right through nursing school and into her first year of hospital work, unfortunately she got a high paying job in a hospital (Hong Kong) and I could not follow her, yes the Philippines are full of beautiful, educated girls. Unfortunately, they will not just lie around waiting to be some ones sperm receptacle and little else, nor will they accept a drunk womaniser who is old enough to be her grandfather.

Robbaf
06-18-14, 01:24
Fastpiston, I salute you, what a post, needs to be under posts of distinction (if anyone knows how).

I 100% agree with every word printed, especially the line about some guys would not feel comfortable with an educated girl.

I dated a Manila nurse right through nursing school and into her first year of hospital work, unfortunately she got a high paying job in a hospital (Hong Kong) and I could not follow her, yes the Philippines are full of beautiful, educated girls. Unfortunately, they will not just lie around waiting to be some ones sperm receptacle and little else, nor will they accept a drunk womaniser who is old enough to be her grandfather.You are really showing how much you do not know about the PI. Just because she graduated nursing school, does not mean she is educated and just because she got a job in Hong Kong, does not mean she is making big money. Why do you think she was hired in Hong Kong? Most likely she is being paid $1000 or less and she still may be dating on the side.

NapaSlapper
06-18-14, 02:15
You are really showing how much you do not know about the PI. Just because she graduated nursing school, does not mean she is educated and just because she got a job in Hong Kong, does not mean she is making big money. Why do you think she was hired in Hong Kong? Most likely she is being paid $1000 or less and she still may be dating on the side.Robbaf,

Are you honestly trying to say that a lady who graduated with honours from a four year university course is uneducated?

Are you also honestly trying to say that a lady who through her hard work managed to secure a place in a top class hospital in Hong Kong is not making good money, she tells me its many more times what she could have earned in the Pi so to her yes its very big money.

As far as dating, I'm sure she is asked on many dates, why would a beautiful, young, educated girl not be asked out on dates?

Unfortunately, some just cannot stand the though that a girl chooses not to lie on her back for a living and instead chooses to better herself so she does not have to.

John Traveller
06-18-14, 04:54
And some just cannot stand the thought that a girl chooses not to take an education and instead chooses to continue what she's good at so she does not have to.


Robbaf,

Are you honestly trying to say that a lady who graduated with honours from a four year university course is uneducated?

Are you also honestly trying to say that a lady who through her hard work managed to secure a place in a top class hospital in Hong Kong is not making good money, she tells me its many more times what she could have earned in the Pi so to her yes its very big money.

As far as dating, I'm sure she is asked on many dates, why would a beautiful, young, educated girl not be asked out on dates?

Unfortunately, some just cannot stand the though that a girl chooses not to lie on her back for a living and instead chooses to better herself so she does not have to.

FreebieFan
06-18-14, 07:55
Robbaf,

Are you honestly trying to say that a lady who graduated with honours from a four year university course is uneducated?

Are you also honestly trying to say that a lady who through her hard work managed to secure a place in a top class hospital in Hong Kong is not making good money, she tells me its many more times what she could have earned in the Pi so to her yes its very big money.

As far as dating, I'm sure she is asked on many dates, why would a beautiful, young, educated girl not be asked out on dates?

Unfortunately, some just cannot stand the though that a girl chooses not to lie on her back for a living and instead chooses to better herself so she does not have to.Napa, those familiar with the Philippines generally know that degrees obtained in the Philippines, shall we politely say, do not in any stretch of the imagination compare with a European, North American or Australasian degree. Check out the worlds top 400 universities and see how many Philippines ones there are.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking/region/asia

Others with far better knowledge than me will tell you the value and educational quality of a Philippine university. Yes some are old and prestigious in the Philippines context such as Diliman and DE La Salle but in an international context, they sadly lack value.

That said a Filipina with a 4 year uni education is probably smarter than a girl who graduated from school only.

But did you know, that for many jobs in Philippines they all require a university degree. Including such jobs as dental hygienist, high school teacher, nurse, flight attendant (Cathay) etc.

Simply put, a degree in Philippines isn't viewed with the same level of seriousness as one obtained in more academically advanced nations.

And yes, your girl is different. .

Manny51
06-18-14, 15:05
Napa, those familiar with the Philippines generally know that degrees obtained in the Philippines, shall we politely say, do not in any stretch of the imagination compare with a European, North American or Australasian degree. Check out the worlds top 400 universities and see how many Philippines ones there are.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking/region/asia

Others with far better knowledge than me will tell you the value and educational quality of a Philippine university. Yes some are old and prestigious in the Philippines context such as Diliman and DE La Salle but in an international context, they sadly lack value.

That said a Filipina with a 4 year uni education is probably smarter than a girl who graduated from school only.

But did you know, that for many jobs in Philippines they all require a university degree. Including such jobs as dental hygienist, high school teacher, nurse, flight attendant (Cathay) etc.

Simply put, a degree in Philippines isn't viewed with the same level of seriousness as one obtained in more academically advanced nations.

And yes, your girl is different..Robaff, Traveller, and Freebiefan.

You guys are missing the point. No one was making a claim on the relative international value of a degree in the PI. The point is that they are upstanding citizens doing their best to make something of themselves, despite the limited resources around them. To remember the context, the discussion was that not all women in the PI are putas.

If you guys really are people who know the PI well and understand the people and their situation, isn't that something to be commended?

NapaSlapper
06-18-14, 16:12
Robaff, Traveller, and Freebiefan.

You guys are missing the point. No one was making a claim on the relative international value of a degree in the PI. The point is that they are upstanding citizens doing their best to make something of themselves, despite the limited resources around them. To remember the context, the discussion was that not all women in the PI are putas.

If you guys really are people who know the PI well and understand the people and their situation, isn't that something to be commended?As anyone who knows the PI will say, the pinoy people are mainly dealt a difficult hand in life.

Extensive poverty, hurricanes, earthquakes, dysfunctional government, corrupt police and court system, major crime, muslim problems etc etc.

I have the highest respect for any human being that can overcome such difficulties, as far as the nurse, although I lost a great partner, and a seriously good shag, I was so proud of her at her graduation, I saw first hand how she worked two jobs to pay for her education, the dedication she put into her study and her finally realising her dream of working abroad and hopefully being able to help those less fortunate in her family.

Is that not what the pinoy dream is all about.

Yes she did not get honours from Cambridge / oxford or Harvard university but whos to say that if she had been given the chance to attend such universities she could not have have graduated with honours from them.

I sure am so, so proud of that stubborn nurse regardless of what the haters say.

MadisonGuy
06-18-14, 16:18
I am always surprised at the number of men who actually marry the bar girls that they find in Angeles. I have seen so many turn out to be unfortunate experiences to say the least. Usually, those who have made the terrible mistake, go into denial.

A few cautionary notes are always helpful.

The girls working in the bars are prostitutes. One may not like the word, but if the bar girls have sex with guys for money, they fulfill the definition.

The girls in the bars are primarily working for money; additionally some are also looking for marriage to lock in financial support from a foreigner. This is especially the case if they have kids from Filipinos. From what I have seen about 50% have kids.

Many of the girls in the bars are already married to Filipinos. Whether the husband ran off or not, according to Filipino law they are married. If you want to marry such a girl you will have to bear the substantial legal expense of a marriage annulment.

When an unmarried bar girl has had kids outside marriage, there is always a biological father lucking in the background, no matter what story-line the bar girl gives. Chances are substantial that the biological father will drift back into the foreigner's household, after an appropriate time, under the guise of a 'brother', 'cousin' etc. Seeking employment as a 'driver'. Sexual relations will likely continue where they left off, especially if the bar girl marries an older foreigner.

Note also that most bar girls have and love Filipino boy friends. These boy friends are part of the prostitution food chain. Never expect a bar girl to admit this, but it is common knowledge among the Filipino population in Angeles. Such boy friends will look to a marriage to a foreigner as a way to get access to money, one way or another.

Once one is married, take note of the law of 'concubinism', which was put on the status of law in the Philippines by the Catholic Church. One must be extremely careful if you still want to have some female variety after marrying.

Be careful about taking the newly married bar girl to Europe / US, there is temptation there to divorce and get married to a younger, better looking, more financially well off husband.

There are other points, but most of this really is common sense.

Remember, there are many beautiful fully qualified licensed nurses, doctors, hotel managers, teachers and other qualified girls that may be able to continue their careers abroad after marrying and not be a financial burden as a bar girl would almost certainly be. Of course there are some guys who may feel incompatible with someone who is educated.

Have fun, but be careful when signing legal documents!This is kind of like warning someone to look both ways before they cross the road. I'd be surprised if anyone would marry a bar girl thinking she is the perfect girl, but she may be perfect for the guy depending on who the guy is. I also think assuming all the bar girls have pinoy boyfriends is pushing it. In general Pinay find lighter skinned guys more attractive, so with a 10 to maybe even 20 year age difference as long as you're not a slob she's probably hitting her man jackpot.

As for worrying about marrying one and her getting here and leaving you, well if you're worried about that then you're the type of guy that would actually care which will probably make it more likely. If it took you more than a week to find a decent girl in Philippines that would be kind of sad, so why worry about losing one when you can easily get another? The visa / travel expense in total for a fiance visa is under $3000 and that is if you apply for adjustment of status which is not really required. If she is already married in my book that's a move on to the next girl scenario, too many extra hassles to deal with. There are other countries too that this counts for, I personally switched from latin to asian thinking I would get less stuff thrown at me. But if you're caught cheating I think it's pretty universal that you get household goods thrown at you. I do however prefer the slight amount of work you need to put into picking up girls in South / Central America, where Philippines it's just too easy. Like fishing with explosive, it's nice the first stick but then it gets old.

Psychman
06-18-14, 23:04
napa, those familiar with the philippines generally know that degrees obtained in the philippines, shall we politely say, do not in any stretch of the imagination compare with a european, north american or australasian degree. check out the worlds top 400 universities and see how many philippines ones there are.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking/region/asia

others with far better knowledge than me will tell you the value and educational quality of a philippine university. yes some are old and prestigious in the philippines context such as diliman and de la salle but in an international context, they sadly lack value.

that said a filipina with a 4 year uni education is probably smarter than a girl who graduated from school only.

but did you know, that for many jobs in philippines they all require a university degree. including such jobs as dental hygienist, high school teacher, nurse, flight attendant (cathay) etc.

simply put, a degree in philippines isn't viewed with the same level of seriousness as one obtained in more academically advanced nations.

and yes, your girl is different. .first, do you have any idea how the rankings are done? the relationship between student outcomes and rankings is dubious. many ranking variables are actually input variables, not outcome variables. feel free to do a search on the problems of university rankings- not worth much discussion here.

actually, many of the faculty at the two universities you chose to highlight actually have phds from american universities. they were educated in the pi, yet were easily able to obtain their phds from top american universities, so there goes your argument. pinay with degrees from the pi tend to do well in north american master of nursing programs.

and yes, all my degrees and my employer are in the top 25 of the ranking (the world, not asia), so trust me, no sour grapes here. we are not as superior as you wish to think.

while i would not compare many universities in the pi to the system of higher education in the us, its pretty foolish to discount the attributes that many (not all) pinay with degrees have: an appreciation for the value of education, the capacity for independent hard work, a dedication to self improvement, and the desire for "more. ".

i would suggest that the majority with college degrees have more on the ball than the average monger here. yet, we have the power and priveledge of being born in the "west"- it does not make us so wonderfully brilliant or better.

GoodEnough
06-18-14, 23:49
Over the past 10 years, I've worked with 26 universities in Mindanao, and have thus developed what I think are some reasonably accurate perceptions of the overall quality of those institutions vis vis those in the West. I've been fortunate enough to have attended two of the "top 20" in the US, so my standard of comparison might be somewhat too stringent. I've also done some work with the faculties at UP Diliman and Ateneo de Manila, so I've seen the best that this country has to offer.

As to Ateneo and UP, the problems I've experienced have little to do with faculty and much more to do with significant under investment in facilities and learning resources. Many of the faculty members with whom I've worked have earned their Ph.Ds at US or European universities, and they're first rate intellects with very good training who could probably teach anywhere. The issue for me is that even the elite schools here lack the research facilities that we take for granted, making it difficult for even well trained scholars to keep abreast of developments in their fields, much less teach to the state-of-the-art. There's no money to allow attendance at international conferences, little money to create labs and libraries and insufficient funds to maintain, much less improve physical plants, so educational quality that's related to those factors is diminished. Conversely UP and Ateneo, and to a somewhat lesser extent Sto Tomaso and De La Salle, draw their students from the pool of the best and brightest in the country--overwhelmingly from Metro Manila--and can afford to be selective. The academic standards are reasonably rigorous, but, especially in technical areas, the skills learned are often outdated given the lack of pedagogical resources needed to maintain currency. Finally, given that primary and secondary education here encompasses only 10 years--though this is changing--students historically have entered university at age 16, and thus lack two years of crucial foundational knowledge that most students in the West acquire in high school.

The situation in Mindanao universities--which I suspect are representative of provincial universities in general--is far more dire. Faculty in general are poorly trained, with many lacking any graduate credentials. Resources are extremely sparse, particularly at state-supported universities and curricula are lock-step, rigid, and allow little to know opportunity to pursue individual interests. Educational standards are extraordinarily low, and it's legitimate, I believe, to discount the quality of degrees offered by these institutions which lack the most basic resources that the rest of us might take for granted. I've often thought that my home library in the States was perhaps better than what I've seen in some of Mindanao's state schools, which fail to teach a "common core" of knowledge that most of us would consider essential. Finally, the universities here stress the acquisition of a limited range of technical skills (most of which are not taught to international standards) and fail utterly to create an "educated" group of graduates. To give but one example, HRM students spend inordinate amounts of time learning how to fold napkins, make beds, and wait on tables. There's no evidence I've seen to indicate that critical thinking is encouraged, and the level of English--which is putatively the language of instruction--is quite low. Unlike their analogs at the elite level, these universities deal, more often than not, with graduates of public schools, and they cannot afford--nor do they merit--the selectivity of the top four tertiary institutions.

If I may generalize, I think it's important to differentiate between the overall degree quality associated with maybe four elite schools, and all of the rest. Anyone who is able to overcome the deficits of a typical tertiary educational experience here deserves kudos, because there's simply no way that a typical graduate from a typical university here could compete successfully with a typical graduate of a Western institution.

GE.

Manny51
06-19-14, 00:32
While I would not compare many universities in the PI to the system of higher education in the US, its pretty foolish to discount the attributes that many (not all) Pinay with degrees have: An appreciation for the value of education, the capacity for independent hard work, a dedication to self improvement, and the desire for "more. ".

I would suggest that the majority with college degrees have more on the ball than the average monger here. Yet, we have the power and priveledge of being born in the "west"- it does not make us so wonderfully brilliant or better.Absolutely agree, +1.

So much of the educational system in the PI is substandard compared to the rest of the developed world. OK, I GOT IT.

But that wasn't really the point of the discussion, was it? That doesn't mean that the efforts of Pinays should be completely disregarded, and that earnest college educated people should not be considered "uneducated. " I seem to remember lots of knuckleheads who crawled their way through high school, who I would hardly call "educated" either.

It seems that some mongers in the PI are the worst kind. Those who have a complete disregard and lack of respect for the people and their society. Enjoying punting is one thing. Fooling yourself into thinking that all women are putas and all men are scammers just speaks to the societal cesspool where you hang out. Its a mental game they play with themselves to mentally extricate themselves of what they are doing.

The "John" criticizing or implying that the puta is somehow inferior is just pathetically hypocritical.

Robbaf
06-19-14, 01:34
Robaff, Traveller, and Freebiefan.

You guys are missing the point. No one was making a claim on the relative international value of a degree in the PI. The point is that they are upstanding citizens doing their best to make something of themselves, despite the limited resources around them. To remember the context, the discussion was that not all women in the PI are putas.

If you guys really are people who know the PI well and understand the people and their situation, isn't that something to be commended?I was not downgrading her. I understand what is she doing, as I worked in the Philippines 2007-2012 and dealt with college graduates everyday. I had at least 50+ applicants every time I had a position open. Over half would have college degrees and none of them were working in their career field. I had 10+ nursing graduates apply for driving positions. Why? Maybe because there are no jobs and also I paid 649 P a day plus benefits.

I am now in the Middle East and there are Filipina's working here, one is a nurse, making $700 a month, plus room and board. The room is a 10 X10 concrete block with a CR. Any idea how I met her? In a bar looking to make money dating. Not because she wants to, but she is trying to survive.

My issue with his post, was his condescending attitude regarding Filipinas being used as sperm receptacles by men who are old enough to be their grandfather.

Psychman
06-19-14, 01:43
If I may generalize, I think it's important to differentiate between the overall degree quality associated with maybe four elite schools, and all of the rest. Anyone who is able to overcome the deficits of a typical tertiary educational experience here deserves kudos, because there's simply no way that a typical graduate from a typical university here could compete successfully with a typical graduate of a Western institution.

GE.Agree. My point was not to assess the quality of the higher educational system, which cannot compare to those in the west. My point, however, was to challenge the implication that somehow these graduates were one step removed from bar girls (not stated, but basically implied by a couple of the posters). Many of the women graduates are not beneth some of our brethren here.

Psychman
06-19-14, 01:44
Absolutely agree, +1.

So much of the educational system in the PI is substandard compared to the rest of the developed world. OK, I GOT IT.

But that wasn't really the point of the discussion, was it? That doesn't mean that the efforts of Pinays should be completely disregarded, and that earnest college educated people should not be considered "uneducated. " I seem to remember lots of knuckleheads who crawled their way through high school, who I would hardly call "educated" either.

It seems that some mongers in the PI are the worst kind. Those who have a complete disregard and lack of respect for the people and their society. Enjoying punting is one thing. Fooling yourself into thinking that all women are putas and all men are scammers just speaks to the societal cesspool where you hang out. Its a mental game they play with themselves to mentally extricate themselves of what they are doing.

The "John" criticizing or implying that the puta is somehow inferior is just pathetically hypocritical.Stated far better than I could have.

Robbaf
06-19-14, 01:49
As anyone who knows the PI will say, the pinoy people are mainly dealt a difficult hand in life.

Extensive poverty, hurricanes, earthquakes, dysfunctional government, corrupt police and court system, major crime, muslim problems etc etc.

I have the highest respect for any human being that can overcome such difficulties, as far as the nurse, although I lost a great partner, and a seriously good shag, I was so proud of her at her graduation, I saw first hand how she worked two jobs to pay for her education, the dedication she put into her study and her finally realising her dream of working abroad and hopefully being able to help those less fortunate in her family.

Is that not what the pinoy dream is all about.

Yes she did not get honours from Cambridge / oxford or Harvard university but whos to say that if she had been given the chance to attend such universities she could not have have graduated with honours from them.

I sure am so, so proud of that stubborn nurse regardless of what the haters say.It is great you are proud of her, but how much did you help, besides using her for sex? As she was working two jobs, what did you do to help?

I paid for 10+ full college degrees while I was working in the Philippines and probably indirectly helped 100+ more in their quest to better themselves.

I had a girlfriend who works in a hotel that wanted to start a fish farm (2011). Total I gave her 100,000 P and as of today she owns five fish farms and turns close to 200,000 P a year profit. She never worked in a bar, put her sister thru college and is a very proud woman. We are still friends and she keeps me updated in FB.

Please don't tell me that I have no idea, as I have been there and got many t-shirts.

GoodEnough
06-19-14, 01:53
Agree. My point was not to assess the quality of the higher educational system, which cannot compare to those in the west. My point, however, was to challenge the implication that somehow these graduates were one step removed from bar girls (not stated, but basically implied by a couple of the posters). Many of the women graduates are not beneth some of our brethren here.Agree completely. It's sad that some of the guys who come here view Filipinas as little more than cute sperm recipients.

GE.

Member #4566
06-19-14, 02:20
the elite schools here lack the research facilities that we take for granted, making it difficult for even well trained scholars to keep abreast of developments in their fields, much less teach to the state-of-the-art.The cost of research and the like is what is making US universities so expensive. But how much of that research ever really filters down to student learning anyway? A chemistry professor takes a paid sabbatical to study reaction mechanisms in cryogenic environments. This is completely extraneous to the learning needs of the chemistry undergrad. Then, too, how much research, or junkets to conferences does an accounting professor need in order to teach his classes? The same can be said for nursing. The evidence that the Filipino education system works even just a little bit is the vast numbers of Filipino overseas contract workers; unskilled workers who have learned English well enough in school to be able to communicate with their foreign bosses and skilled workers who have been trained in a technical specialty when no one else in that foreign country has the education to do the job. When we compare the PI to others countries, we might find that it is doing better than other countries in the same economic situation.

Vittu
06-19-14, 03:28
GoodEnough's services for the Philippines threads are many. But I think he has earned an honorary doctorate solely on the basis of his dissertation on the Philippines tertiary eduction. An excellent job.

Should a Monger University ever evolve in the Philippines, with the rights to award B. A. (blowjob arts), M. S. (maso / sado) and Ph. D. (pussyhound debaucherer), I would nominate GoodEnough to be the president of the said institution of higher learning. I know he would keep the standards high, thus being able to attain a competitive student body of much talent.

Gaudeamus igitur!

LukeSkywalker
06-19-14, 04:12
I really feel sad for the harrowing poverty and hopelessness of the people in the Philippines, as well as other third-world countries. Every year millions of young people graduate from schools without hope of getting decent employment. It has to be very demoralizing for them and their parents.

Most US universities' are & the budgets are funded by the Department of Defense for making or refining some weapons. Have not seen too many good successes coming out of US Universities. The are&the money are just perks for schools to keep well-known professors. Some of the abuses of are & the funds are just unethical.

I think any country should identify and prioritize their unique needs, then educate people for the skills needed, and fund any are & the that may produce tangible benefits.

I think universities should focus on training their students with basic skills in their fields to be competent in their jobs. Equally important is to train them with critical thinking, learning, problem solving and team work skills, also scientific curiosity and integrity coupled with a social conscience and sense of civic responsibility, so that they can add values to society.

Countries should learn how China managed to make vast improvements in most fields and elevate the population out of poverty and the country out of historical humiliation in a scant 20 years. There is no need for reinvention. Try to learn a few objective lessons and the methods from the Chinese, and may be try to do better.

First thing, learn to cook better, tastier seafood and meats and keep the restaurants nice, clean, pleasant and happy. Also teach the girls how to rid their heads and their homes of all head lice and body lice. I am dead serious about those few mundane but very important issues.


Over the past 10 years, I've worked with 26 universities in Mindanao, and have thus developed what I think are some reasonably accurate perceptions of the overall quality of those institutions vis vis those in the West. I've been fortunate enough to have attended two of the "top 20" in the US, so my standard of comparison might be somewhat too stringent. I've also done some work with the faculties at UP Diliman and Ateneo de Manila, so I've seen the best that this country has to offer.

As to Ateneo and UP, the problems I've experienced have little to do with faculty and much more to do with significant under investment in facilities and learning resources. Many of the faculty members with whom I've worked have earned their Ph.Ds at US or European universities, and they're first rate intellects with very good training who could probably teach anywhere. The issue for me is that even the elite schools here lack the research facilities that we take for granted, making it difficult for even well trained scholars to keep abreast of developments in their fields, much less teach to the state-of-the-art. There's no money to allow attendance at international conferences, little money to create labs and libraries and insufficient funds to maintain, much less improve physical plants, so educational quality that's related to those fact
GE.

D Cups
06-19-14, 04:20
A chemistry professor takes a paid sabbatical to study reaction mechanisms in cryogenic environments. This is completely extraneous to the learning needs of the chemistry undergrad. Professors do not write / research / publish for their students, Pompetus. They do it for their field unless the students are at the doctoral level. Most undergrads are not reading the professor's pubs. It is too far above their heads.

LukeSkywalker
06-19-14, 04:41
In the US, universities are & the funds are usually granted by the government, mostly by Department of Defense. Research funds are pork-barrel incentives to keep well-known, reputable, famous professors to stay in the school and write more proposals to bring in even more research funds. US industries employ their own technical talents, and with needs to protect their trade secrets and profit, rarely employ school for research and development work.

Have not seen too many significant break troughs coming out of Universities' research.

To me the brightest minds of any country are the most precious resources and should be focused on the biggest and most difficult problems they are facing. Are & the should be aimed to produce advanced and innovative solutions to proven needs, with potentials for large paybacks.

Perhaps other countries can learn the China's model of development. The undergraduates are expected to know only 5,000 Mandarin words. It's amazing how China made so much progress in every field in the last 20 years. Pinays and pinoys should get in very close with the Chinese to learn their secrets.


The cost of research and the like is what is making US universities so expensive. But how much of that research ever really filters down to student learning anyway? A chemistry professor takes a paid sabbatical to study reaction mechanisms in cryogenic environments. This is completely extraneous to the learning needs of the chemistry undergrad. Then, too, how much research, or junkets to conferences does an accounting professor need in order to teach his classes? The same can be said for nursing.

GoodEnough
06-19-14, 05:33
The cost of research and the like is what is making US universities so expensive. But how much of that research ever really filters down to student learning anyway? A chemistry professor takes a paid sabbatical to study reaction mechanisms in cryogenic environments. This is completely extraneous to the learning needs of the chemistry undergrad. Then, too, how much research, or junkets to conferences does an accounting professor need in order to teach his classes? The same can be said for nursing. The evidence that the Filipino education system works even just a little bit is the vast numbers of Filipino overseas contract workers; unskilled workers who have learned English well enough in school to be able to communicate with their foreign bosses and skilled workers who have been trained in a technical specialty when no one else in that foreign country has the education to do the job. When we compare the PI to others countries, we might find that it is doing better than other countries in the same economic situation.True enough, except that it's the quality of the research facilities, sufficient time to do research, and the pressure to publish that attract world class faculty and thus create world class institutions. I take issue as well over "the evidence" that you cite. The fact is that the huge majority of OFWs are unskilled domestic workers or construction laborers, and it's only a small percentage who qualify fully as nurses or other technical specialties, came many, if not most of those must undertake additional study to qualify in their destination countries. Remember too that we are talking about a country in which approximately 5% of the population has four-year degrees from any institution.

GE.

Wolvenvacht
06-19-14, 06:43
The cost of research and the like is what is making US universities so expensive. But how much of that research ever really filters down to student learning anyway? A chemistry professor takes a paid sabbatical to study reaction mechanisms in cryogenic environments. This is completely extraneous to the learning needs of the chemistry undergrad. Then, too, how much research, or junkets to conferences does an accounting professor need in order to teach his classes? The same can be said for nursing. The evidence that the Filipino education system works even just a little bit is the vast numbers of Filipino overseas contract workers; unskilled workers who have learned English well enough in school to be able to communicate with their foreign bosses and skilled workers who have been trained in a technical specialty when no one else in that foreign country has the education to do the job. When we compare the PI to others countries, we might find that it is doing better than other countries in the same economic situation.I fully agree. The number of top research institutions in the USA does not seem to have any measurable effect on the level of education of the "average" American. What else can you say about a country where 50% of the population doubts the theory of evolution and politicians increasingly base their world views on marriage and sex on the incoherent ramblings of a 5000 year old desert tribe.

FreebieFan
06-19-14, 08:06
I fully agree. The number of top research institutions in the USA does not seem to have any measurable effect on the level of education of the "average" American. What else can you say about a country where 50% of the population doubts the theory of evolution and politicians increasingly base their world views on marriage and sex on the incoherent ramblings of a 5000 year old desert tribe.Not to mention the number who still believe in The Earth is Flat, closely followed by those who believe they have been abducted / or had sex / with aliens. LOL.

Fastpiston
06-19-14, 08:08
I was not downgrading her. I understand what is she doing, as I worked in the Philippines 2007-2012 and dealt with college graduates everyday. I had at least 50+ applicants every time I had a position open. Over half would have college degrees and none of them were working in their career field. I had 10+ nursing graduates apply for driving positions. Why? Maybe because there are no jobs and also I paid 649 P a day plus benefits.

I am now in the Middle East and there are Filipina's working here, one is a nurse, making $700 a month, plus room and board. The room is a 10 X10 concrete block with a CR. Any idea how I met her? In a bar looking to make money dating. Not because she wants to, but she is trying to survive.

My issue with his post, was his condescending attitude regarding Filipinas being used as sperm receptacles by men who are old enough to be their grandfather.I am delighted my post has given rise to such attention. My thanks to those who agreed with the post content.

Indeed, the objective of the post was to get people to THINK before getting married to a bar girl, that is all. Hopefully some who spend the time reading it properly will benefit from it.

A few points:

1) The post has nothing to do with comparing degrees in the Philippines with other countries. Please focus on the content of the post which was comparing bar girls with girls who have striven, often at great relative expense and effort to themselves, to gain a qualification.

2) MadisonGuy: Please reread my post: I stated that MOST, not ALL bar girls had Filipino boyfriends.

3) Robbaf, I repeat my second to last paragraph: "Remember, there are many beautiful fully qualified licensed nurses, doctors, hotel managers, teachers and other qualified girls that may be able to continue their careers abroad after marrying and not be a financial burden as a bar girl would almost certainly be". What has this to do with "sperm receptacles"?

Of course one can always find exceptions to any human endeavor.

That should not detract from the fact that marrying a bar girl implies substantial extra pitfalls, already experienced by so many others who have done so.

Hutsori
06-19-14, 08:22
Over the past 10 years, I've worked with 26 universities in Mindanao, and have thus developed what I think are some reasonably accurate perceptions of the overall quality of those institutions vis a vis those in the West. Excellent comment, GE. Thanks.

Are you well acquainted with Polytechnic University of the Philippines (PUP) and Mapua? How close are they to the elite 4?

FreebieFan
06-19-14, 08:32
first, do you have any idea how the rankings are done? the relationship between student outcomes and rankings is dubious. many ranking variables are actually input variables, not outcome variables. feel free to do a search on the problems of university rankings- not worth much discussion here.

actually, many of the faculty at the two universities you chose to highlight actually have phds from american universities. they were educated in the pi, yet were easily able to obtain their phds from top american universities, so there goes your argument. pinay with degrees from the pi tend to do well in north american master of nursing programs.

and yes, all my degrees and my employer are in the top 25 of the ranking (the world, not asia), so trust me, no sour grapes here. we are not as superior as you wish to think.

while i would not compare many universities in the pi to the system of higher education in the us, its pretty foolish to discount the attributes that many (not all) pinay with degrees have: an appreciation for the value of education, the capacity for independent hard work, a dedication to self improvement, and the desire for "more. ".

i would suggest that the majority with college degrees have more on the ball than the average monger here. yet, we have the power and priveledge of being born in the "west"- it does not make us so wonderfully brilliant or better.the beauty of the board laid bare once more.

in my years here, we have had chats about car radios, use of toilet paper, coinage, sewage, girls with cars, girls with no shoes, and now we chat about girls with degrees and their relative academic merits vis a vis the average monger.

find a subject, any subject and there will be a monger who agrees and another who disagrees.

p.s. we've had lots of chats about spelling. lots. so maybe my privilege is your priveledge.

then again my degree isn't from a top 25 university in the whole wide world so what would i know. lol.

Hutsori
06-19-14, 10:06
I am always surprised at the number of men who actually marry the bar girls that they find in Angeles. I have seen so many turn out to be unfortunate experiences to say the least. Usually, those who have made the terrible mistake, go into denial.
Though this is old advice it is timeless. But I think it needs to be updated to reflect the changes due to the Internet and social media. There are plenty of working girls who don't work in bars. Some have never even set foot in them.

So you met your dream girl on DIA or you struck up a friendship on facebook, you flew to the Philippines, and you spent 2 glorious weeks together. Never once hitting any of the well-known p4p places. Is she "the one"? Regular girl? Or working girl?

God bless the Pinay's compulsion to photo-document every event in her life.

When browsing through dating-site profiles or FB have you ever noticed some girls post a lot of photos of themselves in p4000-a-night hotel rooms and resort beaches? And they have no job. Or, if employed, the work doesn't provide the income to support such lavish expenditures. Have you ever really studied a Filipina's vacation photos? Most often when a Filipina goes on a vacation on her own or on her family's pesos it's to a relative's home. All her photos will include all the family because she's constantly surrounded by them. She's not in a queen-sized bed. Sometimes there isn't even a bed at all. If it's at beach she'll wear a bikini top and denim shorts. Folks are conservative. She's not jetskiing. She not parasailing. When she's drinking it's Red Horse and Matador / Fundador. Then you'll see other photos of "family vacations", at nicer locales, where she's alone, and always alone, and the photo isn't a selfie, and she's wearing a bikini top and a skimpy bikini bottom. In other photos she's enjoying a fine meal with a glass of chilled chablis. Delish! Here she is on a jetski. Cool! Oh look! Here she is celebrating her birthday.... big cake... no friends... no family. Seems so sad. Have you ever wondered who she's brightly smiling at in that b-day photo? And then you look at more photos. And more. Some have time stamps on them. Others have the date and time in the file name. Have you ever noticed that she's slept in 45 different queen-sized beds? In 18 months.

Have you ever noticed how she has a p35k mobile? And no job. And she has no load. And that mobile is always in her hand. Even in bed. And when her mobile is lost or stolen the replacement phone is a p500 one. Have you ever wondered how a few weeks, or at worst months, later there's another p35k mobile in her hand?

Have you ever wondered why she has a dozen different yahoo email accounts? That you know about. And she can never remember the password. To any of them. Have you ever wondered why when she tries to recover her password she can't remember the answers to her own security questions? Have you ever wondered why she can't remember the name of her best friend? Have you ever wondered why she can't remember the name of her father's hometown?

Many here including myself have commented about the enormous number of messages a girl receives on a dating site. She also has a huge number of FB friends. Two thousand. Three thousand. Even more. Have you ever wondered why 75% of them are foreign guys living overseas?

A lot to wonder about, eh?

FreebieFan
06-19-14, 10:37
W she's wearing a bikini top and a skimpy bikini bottom. In other photos she's enjoying a fine meal with a glass of chilled chablis. Delish! Here she is on a jetski. Cool! Oh look! Here she is celebrating her birthday.... big cake... no friends... no family. Seems so sad. Have you ever wondered who she's brightly smiling at in that b-day photo? And then you look at more photos. And more. Some have time stamps on them. Others have the date and time in the file name. Have you ever noticed that she's slept in 45 different queen-sized beds? In 18 months.

Have you ever noticed how she has a p35k mobile? And no job. And she has no load. And when her mobile is lost or stolen the replacement phone is a p500 one. Have you ever wondered how a few weeks, or at worst months, later there's another p35k mobile in her hand?

Have you ever wondered why she has a dozen different yahoo email accounts? That you know about. And she can never remember the password. To any of them. Have you ever wondered why when she tries to recover her password she can't remember the answers to her own security questions?

Many here including myself have commented about the enormous number of messages a girl receives on a dating site. She also has a huge number of FB friends. Two thousand. Three thousand. Even more. Have you ever wondered why 75% of them are foreign guys living overseas?

POST OF THE YEAR!

And many guys will agree with everything you say, then add " but my girl is different ". Hahaha.

GoodEnough
06-19-14, 11:28
Not to mention the number who still believe in The Earth is Flat, closely followed by those who believe they have been abducted / or had sex / with aliens. LOL.Well, once or twice I had sex with girls who might actually have been aliens, or at least they alienated me. As to those who choose to reject scientific fact in favor of a biblical myth, why should it be surprising? This is, after all, the country in which a Sarah Palin ran for Vice President, Michelle Bachman got elected to Congress, and Ted Cruz is considered an expert in the field of Economics. If we're going to start in on what's happened over the past decade in and to the US, this is going to be a very protracted discussion.

GE.

X Man
06-19-14, 13:34
This is amusing, but sadly true. I have to admit I do the same thing. Browse thru my FB or other profiles and you won't find a picture of the person who took my picture on that beach. I'm guessing my Filipina friends are also rolling their eyes. Just as we do when we see their poorly covered tracks. FB has made it easier to set up privacy curtains, but that also sends a message. Even as a "FB friend", I sometimes don't have access to the friend list of some women that I've spent quality time with.

Let me describe the FB page that most disturbed me. I friended the younger sis of a p4 p gal that I had known for years. I never met the younger sis, but she had a hot bikini pic on her profile. The profile said, "engaged". She was friendly and frank. Of course I only communicated by the private message function. I gave her some tips about multicultural relationships. With the caveat that I my advice might not be the best since I have an Asian ex-wife. I wasn't hitting on her. I even considered the possibility that fiancé was monitoring her private messages. I kept everything very G-rated.

As much as I envied the fiancé, he was not in any pictures. As Huts has already described, the Borocay holiday, the expensive phone, the bikini pictures taken in apparent isolation were all evident.

At some point the she announced that the visa was approved. Hooray! All the girlfriends piled on with messages such as, "good luck going overseas!" "I envy you" "we're going to miss you" blah, blah, blah.

And then it hit me. Not one person made any reference to the marriage or to the guy. Don't be "That Guy".




SNIP

So you met your dream girl on DIA or you struck up a friendship on facebook, you flew to the Philippines, and you spent 2 glorious weeks together. Never once hitting any of the well-known p4p places. Is she "the one"? Regular girl? Or working girl?

God bless the Pinay's compulsion to photo-document every event in her life.

When browsing through dating-site profiles or FB have you ever noticed some girls post a lot of photos of themselves in p4000-a-night hotel rooms and resort beaches?

****SNIP SNIP --- but if you've never been to the philippines you should print the Hutsori message and tape it somewhere next to your computer - it could save you a lot of grief.

Many here including myself have commented about the enormous number of messages a girl receives on a dating site. She also has a huge number of FB friends. Two thousand. Three thousand. Even more. Have you ever wondered why 75% of them are foreign guys living overseas?

A lot to wonder about, eh?

X Man
06-19-14, 13:53
GE, if an alien somehow pops out of your big belly, please let it run for Prez. It might win the Nobel peace prize on speculation.


Well, once or twice I had sex with girls who might actually have been aliens, or at least they alienated me. As to those who choose to reject scientific fact in favor of a biblical myth, why should it be surprising? This is, after all, the country in which a Sarah Palin ran for Vice President, Michelle Bachman got elected to Congress, and Ted Cruz is considered an expert in the field of Economics. If we're going to start in on what's happened over the past decade in and to the US, this is going to be a very protracted discussion.

GE.

D Cups
06-19-14, 14:08
This is, after all, the country in which a Sarah Palin ran for Vice President, Michelle Bachman got elected to Congress, and Ted Cruz is considered an expert in the field of Economics. GE.GE, I don't know much about Bachman or Cruz but Palin is well respected by her former constituents in Alaska where she did more as governor there than the sum of her predecessors. Sure she said some stupid things that were TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT BY THE MEDIA but she would have done a helluva better job than our numb nuts of a VP or the idiot we have as president but I digress as this is supposed to be a discussion of Angeles City not politics or academia. Meanwhile, is anyone getting laid by the angels of Angeles City? Do tell, please. I had to cancel a recent trip there but will be returning for a brief visit in November. My greatest regret is not being able to meet the greatest contributor to ISG while he is there, Chris Long. Chris, how's it going?

Turgid
06-19-14, 16:29
Advice to guys who want a DIA spouse. Sign up as someone from a third world country and see how many women will be interested. Nil. Sign up as a US citizen and see the difference. Are these women really interested in you?

Mr Enternational
06-19-14, 19:51
LOL Hutsori you are a damn fool. 45 queen sized beds in 18 months. This is not just in PI, this is worldwide. My question has always been can't they understand that we can see these pictures and analyze them? I have a Thai chick who has a regular job. When military rule took effect last month she up and went to Japan for vacation. I asked for her facebook and she gave it to me. She had pictures of a US soldier and his son and saying what a great time she is having while in Japan on her page. When you clicked on the guy's page, there was no mention of her to be found. Sounds just like me and all of my chicks. She would never answer whatsapp quickly. Like 2 hours later. Or she would tell me Hi in the morning and I would reply immediately, then wouldn't hear back until later on in the day. Then when I asked about calling her she said sure, but never gave me a number to call. BTW whose big ass flip flops are those on the side of the beach / pool chair that is next to yours?

MadisonGuy
06-19-14, 20:38
Advice to guys who want a DIA spouse. Sign up as someone from a third world country and see how many women will be interested. Nil. Sign up as a US citizen and see the difference. Are these women really interested in you?Does anyone really care? Sign up for a dating site saying you're a women who lost her breasts to cancer and post a picture of a face that you have to put a bag over. See how many men are interested. It's a shallow world, if you don't take advantage of what advantages you are born with or earn in life you are wasting them.

FreebieFan
06-20-14, 02:33
lol hutsori you are a damn fool. 45 queen sized beds in 18 months. ?rhetorical. its a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked to make a point.

i think most of us got his point.

Mr Enternational
06-20-14, 04:34
rhetorical. its a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked to make a point.

i think most of us got his point.uhhh, yeah. including me. but what's yours?

FreebieFan
06-20-14, 05:08
Uhhh, yeah. Including me. But what's yours?Two hours sleep after watching yet another England loss. The times of this world cup are brutal. I should learn to keep quiet when not 100%. Apologies if offended.

GoodEnough
06-20-14, 09:41
Two hours sleep after watching yet another England loss. The times of this world cup are brutal. I should learn to keep quiet when not 100%. Apologies if offended.You're doing better than I. The best I can do is the midnight or 6 AM matches. Why do the best matches seem to be played at 3 AM?

Wicked Roger
06-20-14, 10:11
GE, I don't know much about Bachman or Cruz but Palin is well respected by her former constituents in Alaska where she did more as governor there than the sum of her predecessors. Sure she said some stupid things that were TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT BY THE MEDIA

Meanwhile, is anyone getting laid by the angels of Angeles City? Do tell, please.D,

Am sure people are getting laid and worse. More babies are being added to the already over populated and under invested country.

While not an American I have had family there for over 50 years and follow US politics as a result. A quick You Tube search will find Palin up there in the top lists of "most stupidest / dumbest things ever said". Bachmann is a complete whacko IMHO and Cruz's grasp of reality is somewhat aligned to my knowledge of astro physics LOL.

Palin and Bachmann truly have no moral compass (or brains for that matter) - when I need cheering up the I go to You Tube and watch them speak, then I smile and the rest of that day feels better.

Catch you in November. I am back soon in the place you like so much.

Turgid
06-20-14, 14:01
Does anyone really care? Sign up for a dating site saying you're a women who lost her breasts to cancer and post a picture of a face that you have to put a bag over. See how many men are interested. It's a shallow world, if you don't take advantage of what advantages you are born with or earn in life you are wasting them.One may have to undergo a divorce within months of getting back home with his brand new wife. Then have to give his house and a percentage of his income to her and her new young boyfriend. But then its okay because he does not care.

Hutsori
06-20-14, 15:22
At some point the she announced that the visa was approved. Hooray! All the girlfriends piled on with messages such as, "good luck going overseas!" "I envy you" "we're going to miss you" blah, blah, blah.

And then it hit me. Not one person made any reference to the marriage or to the guy. Don't be "That Guy"."Baby, we have your fiancée visa now, but I've been thinking. You how you told me you're a simple girl who only wants a simple life? I see your point. Let's stay here in the Philippines instead of moving to my cold-hearted, impersonal homeland where everyone is so consumed with money and material possessions. We can build a small nipa hut in the provinces, raise chickens and pigs, and grow our own vegetables. It'll be the simple life you always dreamed of."

Her reaction may tell ya all you need to know.

LukeSkywalker
06-20-14, 17:14
Professors don't actually perform much research work. They direct and supervise a bunch of low-paid graduate students to the work towards their Master's or Doctoral's thesis. Grad students in turns have to do teaching, assisting while working on their thesis for their stipends. Papers are usually published jointly under the names of faculty supervisors and students who perform the work.

The few good ones write proposals and bring in research and development or engineering contracts into their departments. Most research funds from the US come from the US government, the biggest chunk is from the Department of Defense for military needs. EMail and the internet were developed by DARPA for military use in the 70's. It's and example of technologies that can vastly improve the world.

Besides their responsibilities for teaching US professors are the main salesmen for the schools, selling prestige and research work. The star professors are granted lots of liberties for how they want to spend their research funds and for their shares of patents' revenues. A lot of them pad their teaching salaries in ridiculous ways, while others like to go to Bangkok frequently for any scholarly conferences (While there are many excellent professors in US Universities doing honorable jobs educating and producing the brightest workers, the US education system is a very competitive, almost cut throat world. There are still a lot shenanigans among administrators and professors we need to be vigilant of.

I am happy to say a few departments I know personally have been conducting themselves honorably. They are mostly self-managed democratic organizations where there are checks and balances, with salaries, perks, power, responsibilities and accountability fairly distributes.

This is the best places to train foreign students, not only in their scholarly fields, but the basics of democratic life.

I am only pissed off because a few students I knew quickly ran back to work in the atomic weapon programs in the Middle East.


Professors do not write / research / publish for their students, Pompetus. They do it for their field unless the students are at the doctoral level. Most undergrads are not reading the professor's pubs. It is too far above their heads.

D Cups
06-20-14, 18:16
Am sure people are getting laid...Catch you in November. Hi Rog, thanks. Maybe Palin is not different than any other broad then the way they say stupid things but being in the public eye I agree she should choose her words more carefully. Ya, it'll be back in the saddle again in November: Manila for conference then Cebu City and Alcoy then Boracay to meet a busty DIA then AC then one last night in Manila! See you then!

Socker
06-20-14, 23:58
Professors don't actually perform much research work. They direct and supervise a bunch of low-paid graduate students to the work towards their Master's or Doctoral's thesis. Grad students in turns have to do teaching, assisting while working on their thesis for their stipends. Papers are usually published jointly under the names of faculty supervisors and students who perform the work.

The few good ones write proposals and bring in research and development or engineering contracts into their departments. Most research funds from the US come from the US government, the biggest chunk is from the Department of Defense for military needs. EMail and the internet were developed by DARPA for military use in the 70's. It's and example of technologies that can vastly improve the world.

Besides their responsibilities for teaching US professors are the main salesmen for the schools, selling prestige and research work. The star professors are granted lots of liberties for how they want to spend their research funds and for their shares of patents' revenues. A lot of them pad their teaching salaries in ridiculous ways, while others like to go to Bangkok frequently for any scholarly conferences (While there are many excellent professors in US Universities doing honorable jobs educating and producing the brightest workers, the US education system is a very competitive, almost cut throat world. There are still a lot shenanigans among administrators and professors we need to be vigilant of.

I am happy to say a few departments I know personally have been conducting themselves honorably. They are mostly self-managed democratic organizations where there are checks and balances, with salaries, perks, power, responsibilities and accountability fairly distributes.

This is the best places to train foreign students, not only in their scholarly fields, but the basics of democratic life.

I am only pissed off because a few students I knew quickly ran back to work in the atomic weapon programs in the Middle East.What does this shit have to do with Angeles City?

LukeSkywalker
06-21-14, 00:20
Aiming to produce educated sex workers for you.

How would you like to meet your honeys with PhDs in Sexology, with minor in administering enemas using big tools?


What does this shit have to do with Angeles City?

D Cups
06-21-14, 00:36
Professors don't actually perform much research work. Besides their responsibilities for teaching US professors are the main salesmen for the schools, selling prestige and research work. The star professors are granted lots of liberties for how they want to spend their research funds and for their shares of patents' revenues. A lot of them pad their teaching salaries in ridiculous ways, while others like to go to Bangkok frequently for any scholarly conferences (While there are many excellent professors in US Universities doing honorable jobs educating and producing the brightest workers, the US education system is a very competitive, almost cut throat world. There are still a lot shenanigans among administrators and professors we need to be vigilant of.Luke, are you a university professor? I am. Scholarship accounts for about 10 - 20% of a professor's work. Teaching is around 50 - 60%. Committees and other service can be up to 40%. Professors are not the "main salesmen for the schools" unless they happen to be award-winning, top shelf authors or inventors and those are rare. There are admissions staff that do the "sales". Professors do not pad their salaries as that is set by administrators. Professors are required to present at conferences as part of their scholarship. That's how I normally get to Bangkok and etc: to present an article I've published. Geez, you are completely off base on almost everything you said except the obvious competition.

Meanwhile is anyone getting LAID by the angels of AC? Any big-boob sightings? Do tell.

Psychman
06-21-14, 01:00
professors don't actually perform much research work. they direct and supervise a bunch of low-paid graduate students to the work towards their master's or doctoral's thesis. grad students in turns have to do teaching, assisting while working on their thesis for their stipends. papers are usually published jointly under the names of faculty supervisors and students who perform the work.

the few good ones write proposals and bring in research and development or engineering contracts into their departments. most research funds from the us come from the us government, the biggest chunk is from the department of defense for military needs. email and the internet were developed by darpa for military use in the 70's. it's and example of technologies that can vastly improve the world.

besides their responsibilities for teaching us professors are the main salesmen for the schools, selling prestige and research work. the star professors are granted lots of liberties for how they want to spend their research funds and for their shares of patents' revenues. a lot of them pad their teaching salaries in ridiculous ways, while others like to go to bangkok frequently for any scholarly conferences (while there are many excellent professors in us universities doing honorable jobs educating and producing the brightest workers, the us education system is a very competitive, almost cut throat world. there are still a lot shenanigans among administrators and professors we need to be vigilant of.

i am happy to say a few departments i know personally have been conducting themselves honorably. they are mostly self-managed democratic organizations where there are checks and balances, with salaries, perks, power, responsibilities and accountability fairly distributes.

this is the best places to train foreign students, not only in their scholarly fields, but the basics of democratic life.

i am only pissed off because a few students i knew quickly ran back to work in the atomic weapon programs in the middle east.sounds like the sour grapes of an adjunct or graduate student who never finished. the vast majority of american university professors are not at r1's, but at at universities with much higher teaching loads, and without graduate student support. the vast majority do not have the research support of graduate students.

Dg8787
06-21-14, 02:18
mean while back on fields, i have been on the ground for a few days. i can not detect any changes from sop. i only went to lollipop as that was all the shopping i needed to do. i was there 6 weeks ago and about 50% were in 7-8 range. now 90% were all new talent, out of that 90% in the 7. 5-8 range. for you scholars, that means 80% were quite doable, young and slim.

contrary to other statements, beggars and street salesmen were under control and pretty restrained. really not in your face, no one following me or pestering me as i walked.

seems to be more **** girls walking around than before, not an overwhelming amount but certainly noticeable to me. i have no idea if they were fl or not as i was never proposition by them nor did i make any contact with them.

as i stated, i only went to lollipop as i was able to fulfill my shopping needs there a few times. i did notice that the overall quality of all the hello-door girls at the different bars were up.

GoodEnough
06-21-14, 03:23
sounds like the sour grapes of an adjunct or graduate student who never finished. the vast majority of american university professors are not at r1's, but at at universities with much higher teaching loads, and without graduate student support. the vast majority do not have the research support of graduate students.indeed it does sound like sour grapes. without belaboring the point, maybe we should differentiate between major research universities offering a huge range of graduate programs, amd more liberal arts-oriented colleges which probably carry a higher teaching load for faculty, or so i've heard. my experience has been limited to the former, and i guess that experience formed the basis of my comments.

as to the unerring comments of psyhman and dcups, i wish i could have taken you guys on a tour of the universities here in mindanao. based on what you've said and i've inferred of your academic backgrounds, you would have enjoyed the experience.

ge.

Manny51
06-21-14, 04:15
sounds like the sour grapes of an adjunct or graduate student who never finished. the vast majority of american university professors are not at r1's, but at at universities with much higher teaching loads, and without graduate student support. the vast majority do not have the research support of graduate students.jes chr, are you guys still talking about this cuniversity stuff? talk about going way off topic.

Psychman
06-21-14, 04:37
Jes Chr, are you guys still talking about this cuniversity stuff? Talk about going way off topic.You are correct; sorry about that.

LukeSkywalker
06-21-14, 04:44
Sorry guys. I am curious about higher education in the Phil and other Asian countries.

Looks like DCups is a hot shot in the field of mammary glands or infectious diseases or public health. They tend to work with countries in Asia where lots of those weird diseases originate.

Perhaps DCups could enlighten the bros with a few of his latest research reports.


Luke, are you a university professor? I am. Scholarship accounts for about 10 - 20% of a professor's work. Teaching is around 50 - 60%. Committees and other service can be up to 40%. Professors are not the "main salesmen for the schools" unless they happen to be award-winning, top shelf authors or inventors and those are rare. There are admissions staff that do the "sales". Professors do not pad their salaries as that is set by administrators. Professors are required to present at conferences as part of their scholarship. That's how I normally get to Bangkok and etc: to present an article I've published. Geez, you are completely off base on almost everything you said except the obvious competition.

Meanwhile is anyone getting LAID by the angels of AC? Any big-boob sightings? Do tell.

Socker
06-21-14, 07:15
Jes Chr, are you guys still talking about this cuniversity stuff? Talk about going way off topic.

And these guys are our best and brightest.

On Topic....

A few weeks ago in AC. I lucked out w/ this nice big titted spinner from a Perimeter bar, BF 1500p.

She was on the rag so I just got a half assed BJ, BUT MAN, just being in the same room w/ those big knockers was worth double that.

She is one of the many reasons I love AC.

Ciao

Mogwai
06-21-14, 08:56
Jes Chr, are you guys still talking about this cuniversity stuff? Talk about going way off topic.Maybe we need a new thread: Philippines Chit Chat?

D Cups
06-21-14, 14:31
I wish I could have taken you guys on a tour of the universities here in Mindanao. Based on what you've said and I've inferred of your academic backgrounds, you would have enjoyed the experience.Thanks, GE. I have always avoided Mindinao but would reconsider in this capacity. Certainly there are nice beauties there, too.

D Cups
06-21-14, 14:33
She is one of the many reasons I love AC.Nice one! Thanks, Socker!

Capt Munch
06-22-14, 07:27
From the Philippine Star newspaper today. Link: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2014/06/22/1337581/palace-vows-intensify-fight-vs-[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909).

And a couple of quotes from the article.


1. "A significant number of Filipinos who went abroad looking for work have fallen victim to sex trafficking and forced labor in Asia, the Middle East and increasingly in Europe, the US State Department said. " No mention of their own consulates in the Middle East trying to do the same.


2. "At the same time, forced labor and sex trafficking of women and children within the country, principally in Manila and Cebu and tourist destinations such as Boracay, Olongapo, Puerto Galera and Surigao, remain a significant problem." No mention of Angeles City. BUT I imagine that an intensified effort will have an effect here.


3. "The Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA), on the other hand, has been conducting pre-employment seminars for overseas Filipino workers. These seminars include arming them with the information needed before they leave the country." These are the same folks that provide the class in Manila that your girl should take if you are planning to take her out of the country on a vacation. (Probably so the girls will not to be trafficked and instead be able to enjoy their vacation.).

NapaSlapper
06-22-14, 09:14
i am getting reports from a very reliable source in angeles city that a young pinay was gang raped and murdered just a few meters from her home at mount view homes in angeles city last night.

the only thing known about the victim was that she was married to a foreigner for some time but also had a child from a previous pinoy husband / boyfriend.

will post any links to the newspaper reports as and when they catch hold of the story or as more information comes through to me.

NapaSlapper
06-22-14, 09:38
Capt Munch, looks to me that the powers that be in the western world (especially America) and other organisations have got a massive hard on for stopping all [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) in the pi.

This includes pinays going abroad to work and those working in the bars of manila and especially angeles city.

The raids of bars have got so frequent now in angeles city that a well known bar in ac (miss magic bar) has got rid of all its working girls because according to the owner he is just totally fed up of the high prospect of being raided that its just not worth taking the risk any more.

The bar remains open and will concentrate on promoting its fine pool tables (pool competitions) and serving cold beer to its ex pat followers.

Maybe the massive hard on is starting to pay dividens.

D Cups
06-22-14, 15:01
Looks like DCups is a hot shot in the field of mammary glands or infectious diseases or public health. They tend to work with countries in Asia where lots of those weird diseases originate. Perhaps DCups could enlighten the bros with a few of his latest research reports.Wrong assumption, Luke. My handle has nothing to do with my (official) research. I am published in the areas of leadership development, organizational change, organizational design, virtual teams and hiring right. Unofficially I research the feel of big boobs, tiny twats and beer ha! I'd love to do a study of that one that Socker posted.

Manny51
06-22-14, 15:07
from the philippine star newspaper today. link: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2014/06/22/1337581/palace-vows-intensify-fight-vs-[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909).

and a couple of quotes from the article.

no mention of their own consulates in the middle east trying to do the same.

no mention of angeles city. but i imagine that an intensified effort will have an effect here.

these are the same folks that provide the class in manila that your girl should take if you are planning to take her out of the country on a vacation. (probably so the girls will not to be trafficked and instead be able to enjoy their vacation.).just wondering if anyone has ever observed anything like this. i mean, i know that impovershed teenage girls can be tempted to enter the business a little too early. this is something that hopefully responsible people are looking out for and avoiding and preventing.

but women being forced into prostitution, as in kidnapping, indentured servitude or by threat of violence? i haven't travelled to every country in the world, but i don't think i have ever seen anything that even slightly smelled that way. is it something like the "dramatic rise" in college [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), which by my eye, is a lot of pr? or is it something happening in very secret places, like in liam neeson's movie "taken?

just wondering what you guys think.

Soapy Smith
06-22-14, 15:42
I am published in the areas of leadership development, organizational change, organizational design, virtual teams and hiring right. And now anybody at your university--and perhaps beyond--who chances on this post has figured out who you are and what you are actually doing on your conference or "research" trips to Asia. In fact, almost anybody with a knowledge of your field and its journals could probably use scholar.google with this array of topical search terms and narrow your identity to a small handful of people--assuming you're getting published in ISI journals. Although, if you're close to retirement maybe it's okay to throw caution to the wind.

NapaSlapper
06-22-14, 16:33
Although primarily about Pattaya it has an Angeles City twist, think you guys will enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZiz3zuEUSg

Soapy Smith
06-22-14, 16:35
but women being forced into prostitution, as in kidnapping, indentured servitude or by threat of violence? i haven't travelled to every country in the world, but i don't think i have ever seen anything that even slightly smelled that way. is it something like the "dramatic rise" in college [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), which by my eye, is a lot of pr? or is it something happening in very secret places, like in liam neeson's movie "taken?

just wondering what you guys think."trafficking" is an idea that has taken on a "reality" bigger than life. many, many people have gotten sucked into the idea so that it becomes difficult to get them to reflect seriously on evidence that contradicts the image that some crusaders are trying to reinforce. the image is most effective in extracting government and charitable contributions when there is an "identifiable victim," and so anecdotal accounts (highly dramatized) of individual victims' stories pull those heart strings very effectively.

as a very morally conservative country the united states is fertile ground for playing to the moral dimensions of sex for pay, and hence the impetus for much of the anti-trafficking work comes from the united states. besides, this crusade and its presumed underlying morality is one of the few things liberals and conservatives can agree on. knee-jerk liberals see it as social exploitation of marginalized victims, while conservatives are just concerned about any sex that doesn't happen in the dark, in a parental bedroom, in a submissive missionary position.

a recent study by the urban institute has opened some questions that may be hard to get back in the genie's jar. they paint a picture of prostitution in a handful of american cities, and the picture is much more complex than the "trafficked victim" image that is being "trafficked" by the zealots. they paint pimping in dark terms, and perhaps that is appropriate, but the study also shows that, especially with the extensive use of online solicitation, many prostitutes arrived in the profession and remain there more or less voluntarily. admittedly, the study really only opens the door to that interpretation. but it's a start, and i actually saw where the study triggered some serious debate on the topic on one of the prime time msnbc evening shows a couple months ago.

the exposure in newsweek of the somali mam fraud may also chip away some of the chinks in the armor. she has been pedaling a story about her own victimization and apparently helped other young cambodian women concoct similarly fraudulent stories--obviously using the "identifiable victim" approach to massive fund raising and reinforcing the image of trafficking. but now she is exposed, and some well-known personalities look very gullible as a result: nicholas kristof, hilary clinton, tyra banks, oprah, dylan mcdermott, susan sarandon, queen sofia, and sheryl sandberg. unfortunately, it is still easier to sell simple images that hinge on moral indignation than to get people to actually reflect on a reality that is much more complicated.

Wicked Roger
06-22-14, 17:24
i am getting reports from a very reliable source in angeles city that a young pinay was gang raped and murdered just a few meters from her home at mount view homes in angeles city last night.

the only thing known about the victim was that she was married to a foreigner for some time but also had a child from a previous pinoy husband / boyfriend.

will post any links to the newspaper reports as and when they catch hold of the story or as more information comes through to me.napa,

are you sure you are not m cobb in disguise as the mo is similar, lots of bad news stories including the one about the bar and pool tables and no links. the set of links we asked you for came to nothing and were about a police guy being killed in manila.

so while the above is tragic, what ahs this got to do with mongering in ac?

you say "reliable reports" so you are not on the ground. anyone who is in ac can they help with napa's assertions. when i am there i will go to the bar and see myself.

so please post the links and this time relevant to the subject mater you have quoted.

for an example i have posted one today elsewhere in the pi board so you can see how link and relevancy go together.

D Cups
06-22-14, 22:16
almost anybody with a knowledge of your field and its journals could probably use scholar.google and narrow your identity to a small handful of peopleMaybe but doubtful. Why would someone want to do that, Skip, when they could research some of these young lovelies instead?

ThatGuy865
06-23-14, 01:31
It is true. Miss Magic has gone to a traditional bar. No girls for entertainment. They have nightly bands, pool and serve food.

The BO got tired of the pay offs and raids. Its only one bar so in the scheme of things won't mean much. And not one of the most popular bars at that.

But can anyone blame a BO for making this decision. Would any of you run a bar on Perimeter?

Robbaf
06-23-14, 01:52
i am getting reports from a very reliable source in angeles city that a young pinay was gang raped and murdered just a few meters from her home at mount view homes in angeles city last night.

the only thing known about the victim was that she was married to a foreigner for some time but also had a child from a previous pinoy husband / boyfriend.

will post any links to the newspaper reports as and when they catch hold of the story or as more information comes through to me.from kap tony mamac fb: raped and murder. efforts was exerted to identify and locate the families of the victim. victim was positively identified by her sister to be roselyn villlalobos estrella, 34 yrs old and a solo parent. previously residing at histian apt, lourdes drive, sta maria 1, and presently residing at 341 tarlac st, mt view subd, balibago, angeles city. photo below shows her daughter cristal joy estrella, 8 yrs old. victim was from birak, iloilo. follow-up investigation and operations will be conducted for the arrests of the suspects. again, we are appealing to the public if you have knowledge about the suspects or witnessed the commission of the crime, please get in touch with the authorities for the early solutions of this brutal crime. rest assured that your identity will be protected. kap tony mamac. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004245460380.

tony posted pictures on his fb page. very sad indeed. i hope they catch the sob's.

Tyrion82
06-23-14, 06:47
First off, this is my unofficial report as I am in the midst of AC trip. I didn't want to believe all the posts about AC has gone to shit and it seems to be true. Every bar I went to most of the girls pretty average or below. I don't know if it was bad night, but most of the girls were either cherrys, unavailable for whatever reason, or reserved. I must've gone to over 6 bars and stroke out at every single one. I would see some other dudes try to take out girl and the girl would just walk away. If the girls were available its only one boom for the whole night. From some of the stories I've heard is that a lot of the girls make their money off the ladies drink and go out with John's. For me, it was drink after another with girls saying their not available after the fact I bought them a drink. I am incredibly frustrated with Angeles and it letting me down.

Please anyone that deeply loves AC give me at least one recommendation for a bar or place that exemplifies what first time AC adventurers are hoping to experience and more.

P.S. I didn't want to mention this until my actual official report, but avoid the Gecko's bar. Supposedly there was a raid a few weeks back and apparently the place no longer lives up to previous positive reports. YMMV, but it seems the girls and mamasans were just pushing drinks and no take outs. I can't tell you how many pesos I wasted trying to find a bar with "available" girls.

Give me hope ISG forum.

Tyrion82
06-23-14, 06:55
I know I'm a fat and ugly dude. But, could this be a reason why girls are saying they're not available, giving me inflated prices, or stating only one boom boom for all night. I know its up to the ladies who they go with and what to quote, but aren't a lot of the Johns unattractive. Present company excluded of course. So, it shouldn't matter if I'm a little overweight or not classically handsome. But, maybe I'm wrong and my idea of the mongering universe is skewed. Bottom line, does the John's looks determine availability?

Capt Munch
06-23-14, 08:48
Capt Munch, looks to me that the powers that be in the western world (especially America) and other organisations have got a massive hard on for stopping all [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) in the pi.

This includes pinays going abroad to work and those working in the bars of manila and especially angeles city.

The Tier 2 designation has been true here for a number of years. The US government (especially when Hillary was in her position) is tasking many governments around the world to "upgrade" their status or the US will not provide the same level of Foreign Aid to those governments.

I don't have any idea how much the US sends over here in the form of Foreign Aid but the Philippine government seems to be toeing the line and making an effort to combat "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" here in the Philippines and for their citizens abroad.

When there is plenty of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) even in the good ol' USA, it seems to play better in the media that things are shaping up in the third world countries and results in less focus on the problems at home.

Many of the members here seem to understand the various efforts / motivations of some of the NGOs (like IJM) and have chimed in. Certainly more so than I do.

The changes are here, especially compared to years back BUT when you stray into the bars and the girls are having a blast and joking and singing with each other, it is hard to believe that these same girls need to be rescued. Being a 'GRO' may not be the best job in this country but then there aren't lots of opportunities here either.

Munch.

Rufus T Firefly
06-23-14, 09:05
Although primarily about Pattaya it has an Angeles City twist, think you guys will enjoy it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZiz3zuEUSgThis is one of the funniest things I've seen in months.

Rufus.

Jp Slicky
06-23-14, 12:38
This was coined as a scare phrase / tactic by the US Gov under Bush and most likely supported by the NGO and religious groups to give their cause more validity. It give the feeling that young women and boys are being taken from their homes and brought to places like Thailand and Phils and passport taken from them and chained to beds and something has to be done about it.

Hitler knew that if you keeping telling the same lie long enough people will begin to believe it. We see it in NK where the citizens there believe the US solely is responsible for all their woes.

Even members of the US military are using the term here in Japan.

I got a kick out of something Hillary Clinton once said at a Temple she toured with that dimwit president in Thailand, "Oh its so peaceful here" Well. Duh, the Thai gov and US secret service clear everyone out of there so they can get their personal tour. Head is in the clouds I say.

Mr Enternational
06-23-14, 13:17
just wondering if anyone has ever observed anything like this. i mean, i know that impovershed teenage girls can be tempted to enter the business a little too early. this is something that hopefully responsible people are looking out for and avoiding and preventing.

but women being forced into prostitution, as in kidnapping, indentured servitude or by threat of violence? i haven't travelled to every country in the world, but i don't think i have ever seen anything that even slightly smelled that way. is it something like the "dramatic rise" in college [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), which by my eye, is a lot of pr? or is it something happening in very secret places, like in liam neeson's movie "taken?

just wondering what you guys think.take a trip to dubai and hit the discos. i think the majority of the chicks there fall under what you are saying. they are not ****d though. they aren't kidnapped from home, but are usually tricked to go there. once they arrive the sponsor collects their passport and they go work the discos every night and must bring the money back to the sponsor. there are a bunch of chinese, uzbek, and ethiopian chicks that i met who fell under that umbrella. same situation with the foreigners you will see working in pattaya and bangkok.

Mr Enternational
06-23-14, 13:32
From some of the stories I've heard is that a lot of the girls make their money off the ladies drink and go out with John's. For me, it was drink after another with girls saying their not available after the fact I bought them a drink. I am incredibly frustrated with Angeles and it letting me down.

YMMV, but it seems the girls and mamasans were just pushing drinks and no take outs. I can't tell you how many pesos I wasted trying to find a bar with "available" girls.Dude that is nobody's fault but your own. Why keep buying the fucking drinks? You are not back home at a local bar where you need to impress chicks or get them drunk. Walk in, choose a girl, and tell her to get her shit. It's a brothel under the guise of a bar. I remember being in Cambodia and the girl kept trying to get me to drink instead of getting down to business and working out a deal. I said look I'm here to get some pussy, not to drink. If I want to drink I can do that in my room. And I'm definitely not buying any freaking lady drinks. That is for suckers. There is no need to break ice with hookers when you will end up paying them anyway. The money you are going to pay her is the ice breaker and like Jackson says, the only aphrodisiac you need.

Pip Jaeger
06-23-14, 13:59
take a trip to dubai and hit the discos. i think the majority of the chicks there fall under what you are saying. they are not ****d though. they aren't kidnapped from home, but are usually tricked to go there. once they arrive the sponsor collects their passport and they go work the discos every night and must bring the money back to the sponsor. there are a bunch of chinese, uzbek, and ethiopian chicks that i met who fell under that umbrella. same situation with the foreigners you will see working in pattaya and bangkok.in dubai they're usually allowed to keep their passports as they need them for when they go back to the hotels with punters, but they usually have a "minder" who keeps an eye on them and they're told that if they run off before paying their debt (initially about +250,000 pesos for pinays) then their family would "suffer". the only way for many to escape their handlers, and repay their ever increasing debt, is to sell themselves to someone and become their personal sex slave.

a bar girl i know in ac recently mentioned she was approached by a recruiter to go to dubai. of course she was only told of the glamorous clubs and all the money she would make. she had enough sense not to go. my point, there are recruiters for working in ac, so maybe that's where all the hot girls are now? lol, maybe mf and luke should go there, lol.

in addition, you have all the brothels in germany, the netherlands (both legal and illegal ones), the ukraine, etc which are run by factions of the east euro syndicates; most of the girls who work there do so under the threat of violence not only to themselves, but to their families. and throughout the us, especially in the southwest, there are brothels run by mexican cartels. the girls there, many who are **** and addicted to drugs, are expected to work until they re-pay the cost of their being smuggled into america (a never ending and ever increasing amount). they too are told that if they run off or even talk about it, their entire family will be wiped out. maybe mf needs to blow his nose to improve his sense of smell and come down off the high horse he as these things have been going on for years and have been well publicized.

disclaimer: sorry for any spelling mistakes mf1, english is not my native language and the auto correct function here doesn't seem to always work right.

Red Kilt
06-23-14, 14:11
. .SNIP. .>They aren't kidnapped from home, but are usually tricked to go there. Once they arrive the sponsor collects their passport Just a follow-up to PJ's informative post.

[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) is a REAL problem and it's not confined to girls and women.

I personally know a Filipino (guy) who, along with 5 of his compadres, was recruited to work in Laos on an (apparently) legitimate building site.

On arrival they were put into a van, passports taken (excuse was to process visas) and they were taken miles into a north-western province, locked in a tin shed, fed scraps and made to work as slaves on a timber harvesting operation. One of the guys escaped after 3 weeks of hell and managed to notify authorities and the group was rescued and returned to Philippines.

It is a world-wide problem and there are some very real and disgusting cases; there are probably others, including bar raids in AC and elsewhere, that might seem suspicious or problematic.

I use words like "probably" or 'might" because I don't know the details about each specific case (except for the Lao case I mentioned above), and I think it's not helpful to make sweeping statements about it all being bullshit because each case is different.

It is better to leave commentaries to those who know the facts instead of mindless speculation or blaming it all on Ms Clinton or some crusading NGOs (unless you can attribute particular cases to her or the NGO).

Disclaimer: I am not a US citizen so I am not defending anyone's reputation, nor am I referring specifically to any particular poster here.

Sammon
06-23-14, 14:40
is prostitution [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)? i am not talking **** here.

in many parts of the world girls are sold to local patrons for money because the family has too many kids and cannot make a living. enter a middleman who promises to get the girl a (job?) and tells the family and the girl she will make lots of money and the family will live well. the girl does this willingly to help support the family. majority of quick money options are only in prostitution. if it is a regular job it will be like slave job with little money and bad living conditions.

i was trying to help a gf from leyte to find a off shore job. i flew her to manila and took her to couple of recruiting agencies on mabini avenue. she was asked to fill out forms and they told her she is in luck because the boss has come from saudi and interviewing people. (i did not go with her inside because i did not want them to think i was a sponsor thereby hurting her chances).

she was told she was hired (very beautiful girl by the way) . they held her passport (i paid for it) and was given a list of things she has to do without explaining her the salary and benefits. she was asked to pay 23,000 pesos for all the paperwork they have to do and her commission. i had no choice but to go to the agency to get the full info.

they said the pay is $200 per month +free transportation and free accommodation. i told them min $400 is necessary because with $200 she cannot support her family. they went and asked the saudi guy but he refused saying maybe after she starts the job. i told the girl to decline the offer and get her passport back.

is this a form of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)?

Amavida
06-23-14, 14:48
I know I'm a fat and ugly dude. But, could this be a reason why girls are saying they're not available, giving me inflated prices, or stating only one boom boom for all night. I know its up to the ladies who they go with and what to quote, but aren't a lot of the Johns unattractive. Present company excluded of course. So, it shouldn't matter if I'm a little overweight or not classically handsome. But, maybe I'm wrong and my idea of the mongering universe is skewed. Bottom line, does the John's looks determine availability?Short Answer: YES.

Long Answer: Classic cherry mistake. Contrary to what you think these are not bordellos. They are girly bars where you go to buy watered down over priced drinks, chat with scantily clad girls, buy buckets of ping pong balls to throw at them and generally [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) your money away in the name of fun. If you are clean, half decent dressed, respectful & ,god forbid, actually have something interesting to talk about, you will find a girl or girls who will agree to ask EWR of their employer & go out with you for more than just sex. These women can be extremely GFE if you give good BFE.

I you just want point & shoot sex then cut to the chase & go to one of the fish bowls or casa's.

AV.

Amavida
06-23-14, 14:52
Walk in, choose a girl, and tell her to get her shit. It's a brothel under the guise of a bar.Respectfully & vigorously disagree with you.

AV.

Manny51
06-23-14, 15:47
in dubai they're usually allowed to keep their passports as they need them for when they go back to the hotels with punters, but they usually have a "minder" who keeps an eye on them and they're told that if they run off before paying their debt (initially about +250,000 pesos for pinays) then their family would "suffer". the only way for many to escape their handlers, and repay their ever increasing debt, is to sell themselves to someone and become their personal sex slave.

in addition, you have all the brothels in germany, the netherlands (both legal and illegal ones), the ukraine, etc which are run by factions of the east euro syndicates; most of the girls who work there do so under the threat of violence not only to themselves, but to their families. and throughout the us, especially in the southwest, there are brothels run by mexican cartels. the girls there, many who are **** and addicted to drugs, are expected to work until they re-pay the cost of their being smuggled into america (a never ending and ever increasing amount). they too are told that if they run off or even talk about it, their entire family will be wiped out. maybe mf needs to blow his nose to improve his sense of smell and come down off the high horse he as these things have been going on for years and have been well publicized.

disclaimer: sorry for any spelling mistakes mf1, english is not my native language and the auto correct function here doesn't seem to always work right.thanks for answering the question. but look, i asked the question in earnest. i don't understand why some guys on this website can't engage in a conversation without adding an fu at the end of it. you've got some anger issues, bro. can't imagine what kind of subdued psycho you are in real life.

Wicked Roger
06-23-14, 16:51
They said the pay is $200 per month +free transportation and free accommodation. I told them min $400 is necessary because with $200 she cannot support her family. They went and asked the Saudi guy but he refused saying maybe after she starts the job. I told the girl to decline the offer and get her passport back.

Is this a form of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)?Is a scam for sure as the minimum salary for pinays in Saudi is set by the government at $400. The pinoys at the agency will give a false contract to immigration and PLO etc to get approval and her contract will be $200. Happens all the time and is pinoy scamming pinoy. The fees are over inflated as the POEA etc is around 3000 pesos etc.

What do you expect when the senators are accused of mass plunder (eh the pork barrel scam) that pinoy agents rip off others.

Also I would not work for a Saudi family. PM if you want to know why.

Many pinays who get that job end up in the consulate begging to go home. Google for the scandals of the pinoy consulate staff and 'sex for passport'.

I have helped a few get to the consulate in my time so I know the tricks of agents in the Philippines. Many even if registered are crooks IMHO.

Pip Jaeger
06-23-14, 17:31
Thanks for answering the question. But look, I asked the question in earnest. I don't understand why some guys on this website can't engage in a conversation without adding an FU at the end of it. You've got some anger issues, bro. Can't imagine what kind of subdued psycho you are in real life.Based on some of your recent posts I couldn't resist giving you a dose of your own sarcastic medicine and no, no anger issues with me, many guys here know me personally and they can attest that I'm a pretty easy going guy, but I have been known to go "postal" at times, LOL. Let's just let it go, not get into a flame war and get back to our mutual interest: sweet and loving Pinays.

Chris Long
06-23-14, 19:09
First off, this is my unofficial report as I am in the midst of AC trip. I didn't want to believe all the posts about AC has gone to shit and it seems to be true. Every bar I went to most of the girls pretty average or below. I don't know if it was bad night, but most of the girls were either cherrys, unavailable for whatever reason, or reserved. I must've gone to over 6 bars and stroke out at every single one. I would see some other dudes try to take out girl and the girl would just walk away. If the girls were available its only one boom for the whole night. From some of the stories I've heard is that a lot of the girls make their money off the ladies drink and go out with John's. For me, it was drink after another with girls saying their not available after the fact I bought them a drink. I am incredibly frustrated with Angeles and it letting me down.

Please anyone that deeply loves AC give me at least one recommendation for a bar or place that exemplifies what first time AC adventurers are hoping to experience and more.

P.S. I didn't want to mention this until my actual official report, but avoid the Gecko's bar. Supposedly there was a raid a few weeks back and apparently the place no longer lives up to previous positive reports. YMMV, but it seems the girls and mamasans were just pushing drinks and no take outs. I can't tell you how many pesos I wasted trying to find a bar with "available" girls.

Give me hope ISG forum.I am also in town have been here since June 1st. Yes your experience is not unusual and one that I have experienced a number of times. Not sure what the reason is but I have experienced this several times at several bars and then there are times that I go into some bars and I feel like Elvis with all of the attention I get. Try the Doll house group of bars I generally seem to get better attitude and results from that group of bars than the others. Went to the pool party last Saturday at Score birds met a few of the contestants got there personal number and have been able to meet up with them outside of work for short time. I seemed to have had decent luck at Dollhouse, Crystal Palace and Pony Tails, have a girl laying next to me now that I bar fined out of pony tales tonight. Also had decent luck out of Brown Sugar as well. But your experience is not that unusual one that I have experienced almost every night since I have been here. For instance I stopped into voodoo and was generally ignored the girl I was interested in and trying to get her attention on stage just gave me nasty smirks left and went to Sister bar again pretty much ignored but didn't matter because there was no one there I would even consider went to bunny ranch and again pretty much ignored the girl I was interested in wouldn't look my way or even give me the time of day. Went to Pony Tail and was surrounded by pretty girls who were happy to talk and be with me ended up taking one for the night. Other times I have gone into pony tails and been pretty much ignored and told by the girl I wanted she was on ministration. Hard to figure out but this is something that does not get enough attention. The amount of rejection bad attitude and general inability to get a girl to go with you in Angeles City.

Let me know if you want to meet up I will be here for a few more day. Leaving for Manila on Friday and leaving for Thailand on Monday.

Chris

P.S: I have also had decent but not great luck with freelancers from High Society Disco at night.

PPS: I have the numbers from a few girls from the bars and High Society that I had success with and thought they were really great. If you are interested contact me and I will introduce you to them.

Psychman
06-23-14, 20:37
Respectfully & vigorously disagree with you.

AV.Actually, Mr. E's strategy of walking in, pointing and grunting, and walking out quickly is PERFECT of you are a pump and dump guy who wants the best looking short fuck possible. If you are a lover of GFE, and want hours and hours of hot sexual connection, it is about the worst thing you can do. I have learned over the years there is great diversity in what we seseek- follow the methods congruent with getting you what you want.

Of course, I like hours and hours of full on, GFE passion- so I choose to spend some time and interview. To get a great GFE, be a great BFE. And before someone flames and thinks I am talking about "love" or 'relationships"- I am not. I am talking about pure fantasy here. I want to pay my money for the type of experiences I want, which mean that I need a certainlevel of the elusive, hard to define, chemistry.

Chris Long
06-23-14, 21:07
I know I'm a fat and ugly dude. But, could this be a reason why girls are saying they're not available, giving me inflated prices, or stating only one boom boom for all night. I know its up to the ladies who they go with and what to quote, but aren't a lot of the Johns unattractive. Present company excluded of course. So, it shouldn't matter if I'm a little overweight or not classically handsome. But, maybe I'm wrong and my idea of the mongering universe is skewed. Bottom line, does the John's looks determine availability?Unfortunately in Angels it does, your experience is not that uncommon. I have been here for a month now and have exactly the same type of experience you are having. This is something that does not get enough attention when it comes to what the real experience is like mongering in AC.

Chris

BrainDrain
06-23-14, 21:54
First off, this is my unofficial report as I am in the midst of AC trip. I didn't want to believe all the posts about AC has gone to shit and it seems to be true. Every bar I went to most of the girls pretty average or below. I don't know if it was bad night, but most of the girls were either cherrys, unavailable for whatever reason, or reserved. I must've gone to over 6 bars and stroke out at every single one. I would see some other dudes try to take out girl and the girl would just walk away. If the girls were available its only one boom for the whole night. From some of the stories I've heard is that a lot of the girls make their money off the ladies drink and go out with John's. For me, it was drink after another with girls saying their not available after the fact I bought them a drink. I am incredibly frustrated with Angeles and it letting me down.

Please anyone that deeply loves AC give me at least one recommendation for a bar or place that exemplifies what first time AC adventurers are hoping to experience and more.

P.S. I didn't want to mention this until my actual official report, but avoid the Gecko's bar. Supposedly there was a raid a few weeks back and apparently the place no longer lives up to previous positive reports. YMMV, but it seems the girls and mamasans were just pushing drinks and no take outs. I can't tell you how many pesos I wasted trying to find a bar with "available" girls.

Give me hope ISG forum.Have you tried Insomnia bar? Forget taking a girl, just go and enjoy yourself, let nature follow its course.

Pip Jaeger
06-23-14, 23:41
I am also in town have been here since June 1st.

P.S: I have also had decent but not great luck with freelancers from High Society Disco at night.

Was wondering what happened to you Chris, glad you're safe and thanks for the update. I'm planning to return again in late Sep or Oct, but not sure yet if I'll swing thru AC. If I do, I plan to hit HiSo and try my luck. Did it seem any better at certain hours, like after most of the other bars closed?

Amavida
06-24-14, 00:53
Actually, Mr. E's strategy of walking in, pointing and grunting, and walking out quickly is PERFECT of you are a pump and dump guy who wants the best looking short fuck possible. If you are a lover of GFE, and want hours and hours of hot sexual connection, it is about the worst thing you can do.I agree with you. Judging by all the hand wringing & crying about 'rejection' I'm seeing here I'd say the pump & dumpers aren't doing too bloody well LOL.

Cheers mate.

AV.

Mr Enternational
06-24-14, 01:02
Actually, Mr. E's strategy of walking in, pointing and grunting, and walking out quickly is PERFECT of you are a pump and dump guy who wants the best looking short fuck possible. If you are a lover of GFE, and want hours and hours of hot sexual connection, it is about the worst thing you can do. I have learned over the years there is great diversity in what we seseek- follow the methods congruent with getting you what you want.I'm not a pump and dump guy. I only do LT. Never been a problem for me. I have always had GFE in AC and have had to kick them out when I am tired of them and if they have my number they call and text consistently asking when they can come back. As they say YMMV. There are tons of stories where the guy did all the interviewing and lady drink buying and feeling up in the club and the girl turned out to be a dud back at the room or was ready to leave as soon as he busted.

Dg8787
06-24-14, 01:06
I know I'm a fat and ugly dude. But, could this be a reason why girls are saying they're not available, giving me inflated prices, or stating only one boom boom for all night. I know its up to the ladies who they go with and what to quote, but aren't a lot of the Johns unattractive. Present company excluded of course. So, it shouldn't matter if I'm a little overweight or not classically handsome. But, maybe I'm wrong and my idea of the mongering universe is skewed. Bottom line, does the John's looks determine availability?I have seen many beautiful women with less than 6/10 men. Not just seeing them with them but hanging on to them. Many of these were so good looking that they rate a 9! Now most of the occasions it was in public like SM mall or coming out of the hotel or going to a restaurant. These girls seemed to be happy with the ones they were with and certainly did not returns looks to anyone.

Most girls have told me looks did not matter, it was their heart that matter. If you treat them right you will be fine. Take your time and not buy so many lady drinks. You do not want to appear as a womanizer! Do not over drink. Most girls do not like drunks or heavy smokers.

Shower, shower and shower. I will never forget one hotel desk clerk I would see every morning as I picked up the free newspaper, one day she said to me "you always smell good for a foreigner! Now she wasn't making a pass at me but let an innocent comment slip out. I was struck by her comment and asked her what she meant. She shyly told me a lot of foreigners smell! Now I never use the hotel soap but I bring over with me a big bottle of fragrant body wash. I bring a big bottle because the girls love it too.

Pinaypounder
06-24-14, 01:24
I know I'm a fat and ugly dude. But, could this be a reason why girls are saying they're not available, giving me inflated prices, or stating only one boom boom for all night. I know its up to the ladies who they go with and what to quote, but aren't a lot of the Johns unattractive. Present company excluded of course. So, it shouldn't matter if I'm a little overweight or not classically handsome. But, maybe I'm wrong and my idea of the mongering universe is skewed. Bottom line, does the John's looks determine availability?Yes it matters of course. To say otherwise would be dumb.

Here is what I know. In Thailand I have observed many times on Soi Sukimvit, beautiful women with severely handicapped men and men in wheel chairs. When ever they passed I looked closely and I am rarely inebriated and was almost inspired by it, I NEVER EVER saw anything but happiness and loyalty on their faces. It stunned me to be honest and is one of the many reasons I love Thailand so.

Their culture is vastly superior. So if you are finding this an issue in the Phils head to Thailand or focus on older women. The old girls will love you and care for you LONG TIME JOE!

Lucky for me I have blue eyes and they go freaking crazy for blue eyes! And I eat pussy better than any lesbian born! That makes them see past my less than svelte figure!

Thanks MOM!

LukeSkywalker
06-24-14, 01:31
to hold someone passport is to take away her freedom. this is very obviously [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).

if someone does this shit in the us, he faces up to 12 years per count in prison. the victims are granted temporary asylum if they decide to stay in the us to bear witness at trial.

if the charges stick the victims and their immediate families will be granted us permanent residency. their families will be processed for visas under expedited procedures and flown to the us. travel expenses are arranged as loans from ngos to be repaid.

over 300 labor trafficked victims and their families were given us permanent residency in a case i worked on with justice department under us attorney general janet reno.

it is sick how people can so cruelly take advantage of others under the guise of employment agencies.


is prostitution [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)? i am not talking **** here.

she was told she was hired (very beautiful girl by the way) . they held her passport (i paid for it) and was given a list of things she has to do without explaining her the salary and benefits. she was asked to pay 23,000 pesos for all the paperwork they have to do and her commission. i had no choice but to go to the agency to get the full info.

they said the pay is $200 per month +free transportation and free accommodation. i told them min $400 is necessary because with $200 she cannot support her family. they went and asked the saudi guy but he refused saying maybe after she starts the job. i told the girl to decline the offer and get her passport back.

is this a form of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)?

Dg8787
06-24-14, 01:32
First off, this is my unofficial report as I am in the midst of AC trip. I didn't want to believe all the posts about AC has gone to shit and it seems to be true. Every bar I went to most of the girls pretty average or below. I don't know if it was bad night, but most of the girls were either cherrys, unavailable for whatever reason, or reserved. I must've gone to over 6 bars and stroke out at every single one. I would see some other dudes try to take out girl and the girl would just walk away. If the girls were available its only one boom for the whole night. From some of the stories I've heard is that a lot of the girls make their money off the ladies drink and go out with John's. For me, it was drink after another with girls saying their not available after the fact I bought them a drink. I am incredibly frustrated with Angeles and it letting me down.

Please anyone that deeply loves AC give me at least one recommendation for a bar or place that exemplifies what first time AC adventurers are hoping to experience and more.

P.S. I didn't want to mention this until my actual official report, but avoid the Gecko's bar. Supposedly there was a raid a few weeks back and apparently the place no longer lives up to previous positive reports. YMMV, but it seems the girls and mamasans were just pushing drinks and no take outs. I can't tell you how many pesos I wasted trying to find a bar with "available" girls.

Give me hope ISG forum.My suggestion is to not look like an ATM. You need to change your approach. Go in and buy yourself one drink, talk with the waitress, make sure she has been working there for a few months. She will ask you to buy her a drink, ask her if she rather have the drink or a good tip from you. If she says a drink, move on to a new waitress until you have one interested in the tip. Now develop a conversation with her. At some point you can tell her you are having trouble finding who you want. Name the top 3 criteria to her. Have her give you her recommendations. She will know who goes out with who. Have her prequalify the dancer for you. Now you can call her down for a drink or to quickly talk with you. Don't forget to give the waitress a good tip (P100+).

There are a lot of posts about runners, duds and other disappointments. Just remember you will NEVER bat 100%! My average is 3 good of 4. 75% is reasonable. The other night I had a great lay but in the morning she complained her box hurt too much to do it again. I thought she was BS but she up and left without asking for a tip or trike money. I guess she wasn't BS.

Good luck sir.

P.S.: I shop at lollipop.

Mr Enternational
06-24-14, 01:38
Most girls have told me looks did not matter, it was their heart that matter.I am assuming you are talking about hookers or older women. And every time I have heard the good heart thing it really has something to do with the man's wallet. Try telling her your heart is good, but your wallet is empty and see how long she stays around.


If you treat them right you will be fine. Take your time and not buy so many lady drinks. You do not want to appear as a womanizer!My dad always told me that when you are in a hoarhouse you act like a hoar. Why put on an act for hookers? You are there for sex and they are there for money. No sense in pussyfooting around. That's how guys end up being too embarrassed or scared to back to the same bar and pick up a different girl, because they have filled the first girl with so much bs that the girl expects him to pick her anytime he comes back to the bar and the guys don't want to disappoint the first hooker. I say get in there and tell them you are looking to fuck as many chicks as you can for the time that you are there. What are they going to do, not accept the business?

Dg8787
06-24-14, 01:39
Yes it matters of course. To say otherwise would be dumb.

Here is what I know. In Thailand I have observed many times on Soi Sukimvit, beautiful women with severely handicapped men and men in wheel chairs. When ever they passed I looked closely and I am rarely inebriated and was almost inspired by it, I NEVER EVER saw anything but happiness and loyalty on their faces. It stunned me to be honest and is one of the many reasons I love Thailand so.

Their culture is vastly superior. So if you are finding this an issue in the Phils head to Thailand or focus on older women. The old girls will love you and care for you LONG TIME JOE!

Lucky for me I have blue eyes and they go freaking crazy for blue eyes! And I eat pussy better than any lesbian born! That makes them see past my less than svelte figure!


Thanks MOM!Thanks for the tip, I may invest in blue contact lens!

Dg8787
06-24-14, 01:42
I am assuming you are talking about hookers or older women. And every time I have heard the good heart thing it really has something to do with the man's wallet. Try telling her your heart is good, but your wallet is empty and see how long she stays around.

My dad always told me that when you are in a hoarhouse you act like a hoar. Why put on an act for hookers? You are there for sex and they are there for money. No sense in pussyfooting around. That's how guys end up being too embarrassed or scared to back to the same bar and pick up a different girl, because they have filled the first girl with so much bs that the girl expects him to pick her anytime he comes back to the bar and the guys don't want to disappoint the first hooker. I say get in there and tell them you are looking to fuck as many chicks as you can for the time that you are there. What are they going to do, not accept the business?I highly doubt your SOP will work for the intended party.

Pinaypounder
06-24-14, 01:45
is prostitution [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)? i am not talking **** here.

in many parts of the world girls are sold to local patrons for money because the family has too many kids and cannot make a living. enter a middleman who promises to get the girl a (job?) and tells the family and the girl she will make lots of money and the family will live well. the girl does this willingly to help support the family. majority of quick money options are only in prostitution. if it is a regular job it will be like slave job with little money and bad living conditions.

i was trying to help a gf from leyte to find a off shore job. i flew her to manila and took her to couple of recruiting agencies on mabini avenue. she was asked to fill out forms and they told her she is in luck because the boss has come from saudi and interviewing people. (i did not go with her inside because i did not want them to think i was a sponsor thereby hurting her chances).

she was told she was hired (very beautiful girl by the way) . they held her passport (i paid for it) and was given a list of things she has to do without explaining her the salary and benefits. she was asked to pay 23,000 pesos for all the paperwork they have to do and her commission. i had no choice but to go to the agency to get the full info.

they said the pay is $200 per month +free transportation and free accommodation. i told them min $400 is necessary because with $200 she cannot support her family. they went and asked the saudi guy but he refused saying maybe after she starts the job. i told the girl to decline the offer and get her passport back.

is this a form of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)?this is so typical, pinoy fucking pinoy! those fucks should be punished! it happens here also, they would eat their dead some of them.

i was in this business and tried to help. its sad, i know a nice lady working for a good saudi family that is treated well. the chinese treat them the worst, and the chinese culture is worse than the phils.

at least at home their safe and have us!

pp.

Robbaf
06-24-14, 02:07
Just a follow-up to PJ's informative post.

[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) is a REAL problem and it's not confined to girls and women.

I personally know a Filipino (guy) who, along with 5 of his compadres, was recruited to work in Laos on an (apparently) legitimate building site.

On arrival they were put into a van, passports taken (excuse was to process visas) and they were taken miles into a north-western province, locked in a tin shed, fed scraps and made to work as slaves on a timber harvesting operation. One of the guys escaped after 3 weeks of hell and managed to notify authorities and the group was rescued and returned to Philippines.

It is a world-wide problem and there are some very real and disgusting cases; there are probably others, including bar raids in AC and elsewhere, that might seem suspicious or problematic.I agree it is a real problem and IMO the problem starts with poverty. Lots of stories, just like the Filipino guy in your post, it sounded too good to be true and being poor makes them jump on it for a chance to make big money.

Pinaypounder
06-24-14, 02:09
There are wide ranging opinions here. I personally have never treated a hooker like a hooker with rare exceptions that always involved them getting to drunk. No one deserves to be treated poorly unless they earned it. And we men of substance should show leadership here. I gurantee you if saw one of us hurting a hooker I would step in and hurt them back. I have had wonderful relations with professional gals and have had actual friendships.

I am always polite, respectful and cute, knowing I am going to get laid frankly puts me in a good mood.

Pinays love to flirt, love to play, joke tease they are like horny children and are mostly that simple, tease them make them laugh and make them wet. They are a joy to fuck mostly and they love to kiss and get eaten, I live by the rule what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Bring a gift a chocolate bar, one of my best moves is to buy food and share, they are always fucking starving. Feed them and the party starts!

It usually goes bad 1 in 6 or 7 when the woman simply lies or simply is not into it then I give them 500 pesos and a map to the door. NEVER PAY FOR BAD SERVICE.

As far as I am concerned raising the bar usually get better results. So be nice. Start with the waitresses as already suggested they HAVE to talk to you and they will teach you spend time with them, make them laugh, a little tip a touch and there you go. If you are a 3 and expect a 9 then expect to pay 10 we all have our price but I prefer them to ENJOY my company.

Flirt joke and play, pretend its the best first date because you know you are going to get laid. Learn to fuck, like my FB said the other day Women don't mind us watching porn IF WE LEARN from it!

Smokers I can't imagine why anyone would fuck you unless they are a smoker, Hygiene is of course important and be realistic in your expectations. If you stink and pinays RARELY do what can you expect? Would you fuck a stinky smoker?

And remember my 2nd golden rule "the 9 rarely fuck like a 9" they simply don't have to, most of you are 2 and done with a 9, the 5 and 6 however they are sporting, kind of like us fat guys! 5 and 6's TRY HARDER like us fat guys!

PP.

Amavida
06-24-14, 02:16
There are wide ranging opinions here. I personally have never treated a hooker like a hooker with rare exceptions that always involved them getting to drunk. No one deserves to be treated poorly unless they earned it. And we men of substance should show leadership here. I gurantee you if saw one of us hurting a hooker I would step in and hurt them back. I have had wonderful relations with professional gals and have had actual friendships.

I am always polite, respectful and cute, knowing I am going to get laid frankly puts me in a good mood.

Pinays love to flirt, love to play, joke tease they are like horny children and are mostly that simple, tease them make them laugh and make them wet. They are a joy to fuck mostly and they love to kiss and get eaten, I live by the rule what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Bring a gift a chocolate bar, one of my best moves is to buy food and share, they are always fucking starving. Feed them and the party starts!

It usually goes bad 1 in 6 or 7 when the woman simply lies or simply is not into it then I give them 500 pesos and a map to the door. NEVER PAY FOR BAD SERVICE.

As far as I am concerned raising the bar usually get better results. So be nice. Start with the waitresses as already suggested they HAVE to talk to you and they will teach you spend time with them, make them laugh, a little tip a touch and there you go. If you are a 3 and expect a 9 then expect to pay 10 we all have our price but I prefer them to ENJOY my company.

Flirt joke and play, pretend its the best first date because you know you are going to get laid. Learn to fuck, like my FB said the other day Women don't mind us watching porn IF WE LEARN from it!

Smokers I can't imagine why anyone would fuck you unless they are a smoker, Hygiene is of course important and be realistic in your expectations. If you stink and pinays RARELY do what can you expect? Would you fuck a stinky smoker?

And remember my 2nd golden rule "the 9 rarely fuck like a 9" they simply don't have to, most of you are 2 and done with a 9, the 5 and 6 however they are sporting, kind of like us fat guys! 5 and 6's TRY HARDER like us fat guys!

PP.Somebody buy that man a drink. You nailed it. Post of distinction. Thank you ha.

AV.

FreebieFan
06-24-14, 02:50
TBring a gift a chocolate bar, one of my best moves is to buy food and share, they are always fucking starving. Feed them and the party starts!


Flirt joke and play, pretend its the best first date because you know you are going to get laid. Learn to fuck, like my FB said the other day Women don't mind us watching porn IF WE LEARN from it!

Smokers I can't imagine why anyone would fuck you unless they are a smoker, Hygiene is of course important and be realistic in your expectations. If you stink and pinays RARELY do what can you expect? Would you fuck a stinky smoker?

PP.Thankfully I'm a non smoker and expect my girls to be same.

I spend some time chatting to my girls who tend to be free in that they don't expect to be paid for sex, but are happy with money for travelling etc.

I enjoy the banter and the flirting. There are two ladies who I will be seeing on next trip, out of a large group, that are both a little interesting in their own way.

One has asked me not to bring the usual chocolate or knock off perfumes, but instead if I can bring her books that I have read.

She's 19 and says loves to read, and hates pocket books and dull romance shit that's the usual fare in Philippines.

Other is 21, has just had a birthday, and asked not for money or jollibee for the barangay, but can I take shopping to National Book store. Got to love the unusual ones.

Slippery
06-24-14, 05:08
Leaving Angeles today to return to the province after a couple of days. I've always taken the Swagman bus back to Manila. Today they threw us in an 11 passenger van. The air con is horrible and the seats are made for 5'5" inch Filipino males. I'm about 6'1" 215 pounds and fortunately have 2 seats but that's still not nearly enough room. If I had somebody sitting in the seat next to me, I would have gotten off of this "bus". I guess the other people on this soon to be hell trip aren't familiar with the relative comfort of the bus. If I'd have known it was going to be this shitty van, I'd have made other arrangements.

Tyrion82
06-24-14, 06:57
Thanks for all the great advice and constructive criticism from everyone. I will try to put all of the great advice into my repatraur or however you spell that. I needed that cause my AC newbness was bringing my experience down.

I loved Thailand and China, but I'm really digging the GFE and routine std checks that bar girls get here in Philippines.

Hey Chris, I'm don't have the PM function as I am a free member. I would love to grab a quick drink and talk shop if you're still interested. Anyone here in AC is welcome to join us if Chris doesn't mine. FYI I'm the chubby azn guy who speaks perfect English. I'm not hard to miss unless you can't tell azns apart.

DG8787, forgive me if I didn't get your handle correctly, I employing your advice ad we speak. I've been buidling a relationship with a waitress / mamasan and she plans to help me tonight. I should tip her too.

I was planning to l leave for subic bay tomorrow, but if the meet up and the mamasan thing works out I may stay longer. Anyone heard of any good things about subic?

Tyrion82
06-24-14, 07:03
Quick question: I love to explore / tour the country doing the day and monger at night. Any touristy stuff in AC or Subic bay worth taking a look?

It seems that the only thing worth doing is mongering in AC. Which is great and all and the whole purpose of my trip, but I would like to add variety to my itinerary.

Once again, thanks guys.

Hutsori
06-24-14, 07:10
Leaving Angeles today to return to the province after a couple of days. I've always taken the Swagman bus back to Manila. Today they threw us in an 11 passenger van. The air con is horrible and the seats are made for 5'5" inch Filipino males. I'm about 6'1" 215 pounds and fortunately have 2 seats but that's still not nearly enough room. If I had somebody sitting in the seat next to me, I would have gotten off of this "bus". I guess the other people on this soon to be hell trip aren't familiar with the relative comfort of the bus. If I'd have known it was going to be this shitty van, I'd have made other arrangements.Fly the Victory Liner, m8. At the worst you'll have the same discomfort, but without the anger of being chiseled. :P

GoodEnough
06-24-14, 07:33
Leaving Angeles today to return to the province after a couple of days. I've always taken the Swagman bus back to Manila. Today they threw us in an 11 passenger van. The air con is horrible and the seats are made for 5'5" inch Filipino males. I'm about 6'1" 215 pounds and fortunately have 2 seats but that's still not nearly enough room. If I had somebody sitting in the seat next to me, I would have gotten off of this "bus". I guess the other people on this soon to be hell trip aren't familiar with the relative comfort of the bus. If I'd have known it was going to be this shitty van, I'd have made other arrangements.I'm not nearly your size, but big enough that I would find the cramping intolerable. I guess that's why I prefer to pay the Php2,700 for a van or car--typically shared with one other guy--to bring me to Pampanga. The cramping would be especially unnerving if, before hitting the NLEX, you've got the nightmare of Manila's endless traffic jams to deal with as you went your way slowly toward Cavite.

GE.

Wicked Roger
06-24-14, 07:58
They said the pay is $200 per month +free transportation and free accommodation. I told them min $400 is necessary because with $200 she cannot support her family. They went and asked the Saudi guy but he refused saying maybe after she starts the job. I told the girl to decline the offer and get her passport back.Sammon,

Some additional information for you to show you that she was being scammed etc is from the Gulf News in the UAE that ran a half page article about Filipina maids and visas, as the minimum wage is $400, with a day off each week plus protection. The is a 'dispute' between the 2 countries on the contracts and many bemoan the fact that Filipina maids are not available because "less the least trouble and have the best grasp of English".

The fact that other nations are banning maids to the Middle East tells you a lot about why the girls want to work for western not Arab or Indian families in the region.

So if you are in contact with the person let her know, as DH work in the Middle East for a local family especially is not recommended.

Seems IJM not really care about those people even though many reports of bad treatment (ILO did a report a few years ago for example).

Here is the link.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/employment/hiring-filipino-maids-in-uae-just-got-tougher-1.1351275

Amjeck
06-24-14, 08:14
It usually goes bad 1 in 6 or 7 when the woman simply lies or simply is not into it then I give them 500 pesos and a map to the door. NEVER PAY FOR BAD SERVICE.

Please elaborate! Are you giving them money without sticking your dick in one of their holes?

WestCoast1
06-24-14, 09:27
I'm not nearly your size, but big enough that I would find the cramping intolerable. I guess that's why I prefer to pay the Php2,700 for a van or car--typically shared with one other guy--to bring me to Pampanga. The cramping would be especially unnerving if, before hitting the NLEX, you've got the nightmare of Manila's endless traffic jams to deal with as you went your way slowly toward Cavite.

GE.I often pay bigger pesos for the car also, and insist that I have it all to myself. First thing I tell the driver is to turn the radio OFF. Then I use the back seat to stretch out and nap.

Chris Long
06-24-14, 09:50
Was wondering what happened to you Chris, glad you're safe and thanks for the update. I'm planning to return again in late Sep or Oct, but not sure yet if I'll swing thru AC. If I do, I plan to hit HiSo and try my luck. Did it seem any better at certain hours, like after most of the other bars closed?Yes definitely better later at night. Unfortunately for me September and October are no go months for me, the best I can do during that time of year are three or four day weekend trips to Tijuana the DR or SJ.

Chris

Golfinho
06-24-14, 10:05
I've always taken the Swagman bus back to Manila. Today they threw us in an 11 passenger van. The air con is horrible and the seats are made for 5'5" inch Filipino males. I'm about 6'1" 215 pounds and fortunately have 2 seats but that's still not nearly enough room. If I had somebody sitting in the seat next to me, I would have gotten off of this "bus". I guess the other people on this soon to be hell trip aren't familiar with the relative comfort of the bus. If I'd have known it was going to be this shitty van, I'd have made other arrangements.First time going to Manila from AC? Otherwise, why on earth would you put yourself through this? Today, the SUV from ABC to Manila, one hour and fifty minutes, hotel door direct to terminal. $70 USD. (plus tip).

Tyrion82
06-24-14, 12:01
Theres different strategies used to approach AC, but I agree that to get a good GFE you need to show them a good bfe.

I've never been mongering where I need to be on my "best" behavior meaning I have to dress well, be entertaining, and look super clean. Usually its the other way around & usually this tactic is for real daing.

But when in Rome do as the Romans do. I've been dressing casually and hygenic of course, but now I will step it up a bit and see if there are any differences in experiences. Wish me luck.

LordBastian
06-24-14, 20:37
Theres different strategies used to approach AC, but I agree that to get a good GFE you need to show them a good bfe.

I've never been mongering where I need to be on my "best" behavior meaning I have to dress well, be entertaining, and look super clean. Usually its the other way around & usually this tactic is for real daing.

But when in Rome do as the Romans do. I've been dressing casually and hygenic of course, but now I will step it up a bit and see if there are any differences in experiences. Wish me luck.Always keep in mind my brother:

1. "Game recognizes game. ".

2. (And to quote ZZ Top). "They come running' just as fast as they can. 'Cause every girl's crazy 'about a sharp dressed man. "

Good luck and stay classy. I'll be there the for a few weeks starting the first week of July. Contact me and I'll PM anyone with my contact info.

Peace & love,

The Lord Bastian

Pinaypounder
06-24-14, 23:37
Please elaborate! Are you giving them money without sticking your dick in one of their holes?If I have a Bad Date I will pay Cab Fare to get them the fuck out. I will NOT aid the agreed to in advance fees for bad service. Bad service is to be punished not supported!

PP.

ThatGuy865
06-25-14, 00:23
Theres different strategies used to approach AC, but I agree that to get a good GFE you need to show them a good bfe.

I've never been mongering where I need to be on my "best" behavior meaning I have to dress well, be entertaining, and look super clean. Usually its the other way around & usually this tactic is for real daing.

But when in Rome do as the Romans do. I've been dressing casually and hygenic of course, but now I will step it up a bit and see if there are any differences in experiences. Wish me luck.Dressing nice is not necessary in AC. The girls fuck anyone. If you are demanding and want only a 10, then you may have to step up w / but clothes are not what does it.

Guys dress in basic wear. Pants, plain shirt, and shoes. Plain clothes will do. Nothing dressy is necessary.

Guys of every race, shape, drunk, old, young, dressed in flip flops, shorts and t-shirts can and do get girls. Its about your attitude.

Maybe you need a few drinks. Loosen up. Let your personality out, look for the girls who smile at you, are receptive to you. That's all it takes.

Slippery
06-25-14, 00:55
First time going to Manila from AC? Otherwise, why on earth would you put yourself through this? Today, the SUV from ABC to Manila, one hour and fifty minutes, hotel door direct to terminal. $70 USD. (plus tip).No ho, probably my 40th, 39 of which were on the Swagman bus for return to Manila. I was sitting in the restaurant there having breakfast and at 11:45 am They announced the bus was boarding. No big deal. Let me finish breakfast and pay the bill and the female ticket taker was rushing me to get on the bus. I told her it was 11:45 am Not 12:00 pm And I'd board before departure. No big deal. About 3 minutes before departure I went outside and no bus! I asked the guard where the bus was and he pointed to two vans. I had no choice as I needed to be at my house out in the province by 5:00 pm Fortunately I made it here by 4:15 pm.

I'm not a 1 or 2 week millionaire anymore. I'm retired, live here and can no longer blow a big wad knowing I'm returning to USA where I'm just going to make alot more. Hmmmmmmm, 600 php vs. 3,000 php for a ride to Manila? Yeah, why on earth would I do that? Now I'll be keeping Southern Cross bus in mind for a back up.

Dg8787
06-25-14, 01:47
Thanks for all the great advice and constructive criticism from everyone. I will try to put all of the great advice into my repatraur or however you spell that. I needed that cause my AC newbness was bringing my experience down.

I loved Thailand and China, but I'm really digging the GFE and routine std checks that bar girls get here in Philippines.

Hey Chris, I'm don't have the PM function as I am a free member. I would love to grab a quick drink and talk shop if you're still interested. Anyone here in AC is welcome to join us if Chris doesn't mine. FYI I'm the chubby azn guy who speaks perfect English. I'm not hard to miss unless you can't tell azns apart.

DG8787, forgive me if I didn't get your handle correctly, I employing your advice ad we speak. I've been buidling a relationship with a waitress / mamasan and she plans to help me tonight. I should tip her too.

I was planning to l leave for subic bay tomorrow, but if the meet up and the mamasan thing works out I may stay longer. Anyone heard of any good things about subic?I am on the ground in subic and coming back to AC Thursday. Get a membership and then pm me.

Can't tell you much about Subic, as my first night here (Monday) I chatted up a waitress at the first bar and struck GOLD! 9/10 21 yo from the province way far away. Her first few days here, didn't even know what the rate is! Not that I cheap Charlied her. She had a goal in mind to help family with medical cost. She has been with me for 3 days. Will be sending her home tomorrow with the medical payment. Not a whole lot of money but worth it to me.

P.S.: I am over 18 years old and admit that by tipping more than P100/ day that I have unbalanced the market place.

Tyrion82
06-25-14, 02:19
I am on the ground in subic and coming back to AC Thursday. Get a membership and then pm me.

Can't tell you much about Subic, as my first night here (Monday) I chatted up a waitress at the first bar and struck GOLD! 9/10 21 yo from the province way far away. Her first few days here, didn't even know what the rate is! Not that I cheap Charlied her. She had a goal in mind to help family with medical cost. She has been with me for 3 days. Will be sending her home tomorrow with the medical payment. Not a whole lot of money but worth it to me.

P.S.: I am over 18 years old and admit that by tipping more than P100/ day that I have unbalanced the market place.Hey Dg8787,

I will get full membership ASAP. Most likely I'll be in Subic / Olongapo today. So, if you're interested we can get a quick drink and shoot shop. No worries, if you see me and don't feel like chatting.

Chris long. I'm still interested in a meet up. Hopefully our schedules meet up for a quick drink. If not thank you for your advice and understanding my situation. There isn't alot of sympathy on ISG forum. Nice to hear from good peoples. So you frequent Tijuana, me too. I use to go to Adelitas but not I use SW.

Lord Bastian I might hit you up if I'm still in the area. I will be leaving the phils at the end of the first week of July. Hopefully ill be a full member by then.

Anyone have a quick opinion about Baguio? If its worth a trip compared to going to Subic or Sabang?

Thanks

Amavida
06-25-14, 02:28
No ho, probably my 40th, 39 of which were on the Swagman bus for return to Manuela. I was sitting in the restaurant there having breakfast and at 11:45 am They announced the bus was boarding. No big deal. Let me finish breakfast and pay the bill and the female ticket taker was rushing me to get on the bus. I told her it was 11:45 am Not 12:00 pm And I'd board before departure. No big deal. About 3 minutes before departure I went outside and no bus! I asked the guard where the bus was and he pointed to two vans. I had no choice as I needed to be at my house out in the province by 5:00 pm Fortunately I made it here by 4:15 pm.

I'm not a 1 or 2 week millionaire anymore. I'm retired, live here and can no longer blow a big wad knowing I'm returning to USA where I'm just going to make alot more. Hmmmmmmm, 600 php vs. 3,000 php for a ride to Manila? Yeah, why on earth would I do that? Now I'll be keeping Southern Cross bus in mind for a back up.As you just discovered they occasionally substitute vans for the bus. I guess a break down or something? I'd be going the Victory liner route if I were needing a bus. Too cold, too fast but at least you get what you pay for.

AV.

FreebieFan
06-25-14, 03:20
and routine std checks that bar girls get here in Philippines.Do NOT rely too much on those. We all know that efficiency and Philippines are two words that don't often share the same sentence.

Do not assume that if a girl has an STD check she's safe.

Do not assume it was actually her that did the test. Girl using her I'd happens a lot.

Do not assume the doctor / lab processed the results correctly as they don't get paid a lot to do STD's by the batch.

Do not assume anything and accept full responsibility for your actions.

Tyrion82
06-25-14, 07:01
Do NOT rely too much on those. We all know that efficiency and Philippines are two words that don't often share the same sentence.

Do not assume that if a girl has an STD check she's safe.

Do not assume it was actually her that did checking her I'd happens a lot.

Do not assume the doctor / lab processed the results correctly as they don't get paid a lot to do STD's by the batch.

Do not assume anything and accept full responsibility for your actions.Well my life just went out the window. I've been hitting it raw and eating pussy left and right. All the girls that cummed, there stuff was white, but some was stanky as shit in a good way. Is there a quarter proof way to see if a girl has STDs like look for bumps, smell, and cum coloration? Probably should use a rubber every time and not eat the puss. I think with my dick and not my head.

Econo Tech
06-25-14, 08:20
What are they going to do, not accept the business?Having known pinays in Philippines and many in Singapore, yes, they can and will reject. Even when the baby lacks Nan Pro.

And have seen girls reject guys who are rude and some opted to bunk inn my place even when I told I don't have budget. (though I always palmed them 100 $ or more) . Rejecting offers of 300 $ or more from other punters. No, I am not Brad Pitt handsome. Far from it actually. I am just a nice guy, that's it.

Key Master
06-25-14, 08:26
As you just discovered they occasionally substitute vans for the bus. I guess a break down or something? I'd be going the Victory liner route if I were needing a bus. Too cold, too fast but at least you get what you pay for.

AV.Yes, I've had both Fly the Bus and Southern Cross bus use vans before and not their buses. Their backups are vans, and they don't tell you ahead of time. It's the way they roll there and each time I was in those vans for either I was hating it.

Key Master
06-25-14, 08:38
Theres different strategies used to approach AC, but I agree that to get a good GFE you need to show them a good bfe.

I've never been mongering where I need to be on my "best" behavior meaning I have to dress well, be entertaining, and look super clean. Usually its the other way around & usually this tactic is for real daing.

But when in Rome do as the Romans do. I've been dressing casually and hygenic of course, but now I will step it up a bit and see if there are any differences in experiences. Wish me luck.Filipinas are not like Thais or Chinese in their professionalism. If you are a big guy and having issues finding willing partners, I suggest trying let the woman pick you method if possible. As was suggested, maybe also make friends with your waitress by talking to her and if she's cool buy her a drink. She may have friends she can find for you in the club or maybe herself. Waitresses are available also. They're the easiest ones to break the ice with since they're nearby interacting with customers or in close proximity if not serving you. I don't really believe that the waitresses really know which women do what in the bar. Sure some do after a long while but there are probably more clueless than knowing.

I've avoided Gecko's for probably over 5 years since it got real popular back then. Lot of ups and downs in bars, so try some again on a different night.

Chris Long
06-25-14, 08:56
Theres different strategies used to approach AC, but I agree that to get a good GFE you need to show them a good bfe.

I've never been mongering where I need to be on my "best" behavior meaning I have to dress well, be entertaining, and look super clean. Usually its the other way around & usually this tactic is for real daing.

But when in Rome do as the Romans do. I've been dressing casually and hygenic of course, but now I will step it up a bit and see if there are any differences in experiences. Wish me luck.Yes AC is a different animal rejection is a daily and routine part of mongering in AC. It is a nightly and daily thing to be ignored shot down and given dirty looks by the girls in AC. The question has to be asked Why come to AC and spend our hard earned money when there are so many other places in the world where the girls are only to happy to take our money and give us attention and affection.

Chris

Socker
06-25-14, 21:27
Yes AC is a different animal rejection is a daily and routine part of mongering in AC. It is a nightly and daily thing to be ignored shot down and given dirty looks by the girls in AC. The question has to be asked Why come to AC and spend our hard earned money when there are so many other places in the world where the girls are only to happy to take our money and give us attention and affection.

ChrisI agree that AC is not at it's best but there are some gems to be found.

The problem in my view is the raids are scarring off a lot of nice looking BGs that might consider working there but for the possibility of going to jail indefinitely. I don't blame them for their absence, there's no one to blame. The few decent lookers in AC have a ton of attention and now they're spoiled and discriminating. It's human nature to act like this when the whole world is chasing after you.

The bottom line in AC is that 85% of the BGs are average looking or less. The (semi) hot ones can pick and choose and would rather make drink money instead of getting bonked every night. Any man or women would do the same thing in a similar marketplace, their shit don't stink, so they take the easy way.

AC needs better talent across the board in order to get back to where it was when I first hit town in 2010. In 2010 I had no problems barfining whom ever I wanted and I thought the talent was quite good. It was really good on my first trip and w/ 4 years of steady decline, it is what it is. The AC p4p scene will either get better or worse. Cheers.

This is what I nailed there in mid May....

Fast Eddie 48
06-25-14, 21:29
No ho, probably my 40th, 39 of which were on the Swagman bus for return to Manila. I was sitting in the restaurant there having breakfast and at 11:45 am They announced the bus was boarding. No big deal. Let me finish breakfast and pay the bill and the female ticket taker was rushing me to get on the bus. I told her it was 11:45 am Not 12:00 pm And I'd board before departure. No big deal. About 3 minutes before departure I went outside and no bus! I asked the guard where the bus was and he pointed to two vans. I had no choice as I needed to be at my house out in the province by 5:00 pm Fortunately I made it here by 4:15 pm.

I'm not a 1 or 2 week millionaire anymore. I'm retired, live here and can no longer blow a big wad knowing I'm returning to USA where I'm just going to make alot more. Hmmmmmmm, 600 php vs. 3,000 php for a ride to Manila? Yeah, why on earth would I do that? Now I'll be keeping Southern Cross bus in mind for a back up.To Slippery.

This guy is a big spender he should go to Macau not AC just another AC newbie with a big wallet driving the price up for all of us.

Fast eddie 48.

Slippery
06-25-14, 22:19
To Slippery.

This guy is a big spender he should go to Macau not AC just another AC newbie with a big wallet driving the price up for all of us.

Fast eddie 48.Eddie: Perhaps you should use what money you do have for a remedial English class.

Fastpiston
06-26-14, 00:51
As you just discovered they occasionally substitute vans for the bus. I guess a break down or something? I'd be going the Victory liner route if I were needing a bus. Too cold, too fast but at least you get what you pay for.

AV.Swagman and Southern Cross buses are generally preferred as they do hotel pickup and drop offs at hotels in AC.

Victory and Five Star buses at Dau terminal are far cheaper and run all day with great frequency. But no AC hotel service (factor in the rip off trike price cartel in AC). The buses also have various Manila destinations you can choose. I would suggest you do not carry large sums of money on buses as public buses thieving does occur. Buses, I find, are generally more comfortable than the Swagman buses which are mobile wrecks.

One warning, do not use the Dau buses at the end of a national holiday. It is chaos, and buses arrive at Dau from north destined for Manila already full. Chaos at Manila terminals at start of national holidays.

Dg8787
06-26-14, 01:19
I am headed back to AC from subic today. Let me know when you are back in AC. Have a good time in Subic.

NapaSlapper
06-26-14, 02:09
Yes AC is a different animal rejection is a daily and routine part of mongering in AC. It is a nightly and daily thing to be ignored shot down and given dirty looks by the girls in AC. The question has to be asked Why come to AC and spend our hard earned money when there are so many other places in the world where the girls are only to happy to take our money and give us attention and affection.

ChrisHave to agree with you 100% Chris Long.

In my recent visit, I kept going from bar to bar telling myself keep going there must be something that is reasonable in looks / weight that is worthy of a barfine.

Alas it was not to be.

We can blame lots of things on Angeles city downfall. Internet. Raids, greed, other choices for the girls, etc, all of which is probably true.

All I know is 1 thing, I want my old Angeles City back, the one where everywhere you looked there were great, young, sweet girls eager to please, in truth we are left with none of these things.

Unless something is done radical then punters will chose other destination where our money is welcome and our nationality is not in question.

Guess what, those places are not too far away, some much cheaper than Angeles, some slightly more expensive but give much better value for money, more personal safety and plenty of other things to do in the days.

Psychman
06-26-14, 02:45
Yes AC is a different animal rejection is a daily and routine part of mongering in AC. It is a nightly and daily thing to be ignored shot down and given dirty looks by the girls in AC. The question has to be asked Why come to AC and spend our hard earned money when there are so many other places in the world where the girls are only to happy to take our money and give us attention and affection.

ChrisHi Chris, long time, since we ran into each other in San Jose.

So, why come to AC? Why put up with the rejection? The rejection is good! It is the flip side to the GFE coin. Since the "culture" of the place makes it easy for the women to turn you down, it also increases the liklyhood that if she says yes (about 85% of the time for most non-dirty, obese, or scummy looking men), then that means she is far more likly to give you a great session. I love when they expression any ambivolence; it is a sign for me to quickly move on.

Frankly, I am a bit shocked at the guys who seem to say that they can find few good looking women. Perhaps they only want "model quality women" which frankly meas cooky cutie an white looking (to me). I find so many of the cutties from Samar and Leyte amazing looking. Dark, big lipped, polyneasan looking- amazing. There are also women who are more Chinese looking, classic "manila" Pinay, ect ect. I find it an amazing and diverse gene pool.

Someone mentioned "big spenders"- that this is not the place for them I disagree. Stay at the Angeles Beach Club hotel, let a suite, and have orgies every night.

I will be pack in the late summer, and am staying at the Lewis Grand for about ten days, and depending on plans, may just get myself a killer suite at the ABC just for the fuck of it. Life is short.

WestCoast1
06-26-14, 04:33
Frankly, I am a bit shocked at the guys who seem to say that they can find few good looking women. Perhaps they only want "model quality women" Life is short.Yes. On occasion someone writes to say that they sampled the ladies of Philippines, and found them lacking. In PM, I often ask what the gent was looking for. What comes out is usually model-quality. "I'm very picky. " And, "I'm looking for model-quality girls. " Here was one from 2013: "I only take 9+ as I'm extremely picky. " And finally, "I like girls with big boobs. ".

Really! I'm sure you are correct in expressing your desires, but then you will run into similar problems in most places. If you go to Columbia for the bigger-boobed girl, then you must also put up with thickness and a 'booty! If that's your kind of thing, they why go to asia?

If you admit to being picky (ie, 9+), then you certainly know that you pay a premium for those (in any country). Also, "I'm picky" is not something to brag about. If you cannot find a hottie on Fields, Burgos, (or for cheaper) in MBC, you are too picky for your own good. A few years ago a buddy and his Russian wife divorced. When he knew the end was near, he went online, chatting Russian ladies. He would show me their pics on his cell phone. Admittedly I was blown away by their beauty. Stunners, mid-20's to mid-30's. Out of the blue he asked when my next asia trip was upcoming and where I was going. Jakarta. He wanted to go. Off we went for a week, and he could not find anything to his liking. We found him looker after looker. He finally took one to his room and the next day told me he just couldn't perform. Problema? "She's not what I like. They have to look like this. " He pulled out his cell and showed me Russian / ukranian pics. "I like this kind of face. " Finally it dawned on me: they must have a slavic face. "Yes, I prefer this kind of nose. Only!" Really: and you flew to SE asia! This gent was at the time 58 years old,80 lbs overweight, and slovenly. What's wrong with this picture!

Bronze I did not have a chance to respond previously. There are more and more mediocre girls in bars in both AC and Manila lately (baby fat, etc). Its true. But its also workable to find a hottie elsewhere for much less than the $200 you mentioned. Its a given in Burgos high-end bars or EDSA that you will pay $100-$300 for the night. Knowing the lay of the land / culture, and having a pimpette helps.

Tyrion82
06-26-14, 05:13
I'm still trying to figure out how AC works, despite the fact I've been there a few days. AC is different animal compared to Thailand and China. So, ST is 2-3 hours with only one boom boom. While LT is 6-8 hrs / all night with only 1 maybe 2 boom booms depending on the girl. Shouldn't LT be at least 2 or 3 booms. I've had one girl that was all you can eat and other girls I've been with or talked to who says only one or two booms for LT. I know YMMV, but I want to know what the standard is for AC to better gauge my experience. Forgive me if I sound retreated, but I kinda like to bring things down to an exact science to help my experience and others. What is the usual LT standard despite YMMV?

NapaSlapper
06-26-14, 08:52
Westcoast 1,

I think you will find that most recent visitors to Angeles are not complaining that they could not find attractive slim girls because they prefer Russian. Swedish / latin girls. Far from that.

What I and most are saying that in years gone past it was easy to find many girls that were very pleasing on the eye in most bars in Angeles.

This simply is not the case anymore, sure some board members on most Angeles based boards will tell of the beauty they had sex with last night and how many stunners there are in angeles and how all of them will stay long time and beg for multiple pops, having to call security in the morning to get rid of the girl because she just would not leave.

What I say is these same people have a vested interest to say those things on boards IMHO.

I am 42,6 ft tall and 90 kg and Caucasian, I have no end of women lined up from on line sites, mostly non p4 p,I shower 2 x per day, wear long pants and a nice button shirt when out, speak with respect, try to be easy going and reasonably generous without being taken advantage of. Yes I want a good looking / slim girl to be my bed partner, is that so much to ask.

Funny how I do not have any problem in Thailand / China / Vietnam or Cambodia, when it comes to Moscow / st petersberg / Kiev then very close to model material is possible most nights, yes a little more expensive but I refuse to sleep with something I'm not attracted to, I would rather have less girls at more money but have what I want.

Unfortunately even the 3000 p green tags or the 4000 p daddys girls are way down on the list of looks / weight / attitude in angeles city.

As has been pointed out unless something drastic changes in Angeles people will find other locations to monger.

Socker
06-26-14, 10:22
What are you guys yapping about?


Yes. On occasion someone writes to say that they sampled the ladies of Philippines, and found them lacking.We are talking about ANGELES CITY and how it has declined. If you guys think the place is as good as ever then just say it because that's how these post come off, as if nothing has changed. Why blather on and on about nothing?


"I only take 9+ as I'm extremely picky. " And finally, "I like girls with big boobs. ".

Really! I'm sure you are correct in expressing your desires, but then you will run into similar problems in most places. If you go to Columbia for the bigger-boobed girl, then you must also put up with thickness and a 'booty! If that's your kind of thing, they why go to asia?

I don't think most punters in AC are looking for 9's because you might not even find an 8. The Bronze dude is extremely picky which is his right. If I thought his standard was obtainable I would go for it too. The 9's are as rare as rocking horse shit, forgetaboutit.

Have you been to Colombia Westy? I have been there 6 times and I go thru about 10 ladies per trip and have never been rejected. I have enjoyed the most beautiful women you can imagine. There are plenty of 8's there and they come in all colors and sizes, from midnight black to snow white and everything in between. The PI and Colombia are my main playing grounds and I like the contrast in beauty, character, and demeanor.

The Colombianas can out drink most guys and they are a ball to party with. They are more agressive and erotic in my experience.

On the other hand Filipinas are more sincere, caring, and giving of their time. They have very fine and tight bodies, which they give a 100% of. There are big pluses w / both countries. I really had a good trip in May.

Bottom Line. You think guys like me are too picky and I think you're nuts, (in a good way of course). I'm looking for pretty ladies and a 7 will do nicely but they are not to be found.

There were plenty of 7's a few years ago and now only a few and they are spoiled. If you guys don't think so then you're lucky and I'm happy for you.


Since the "culture" of the place makes it easy for the women to turn you down, it also increases the liklyhood that if she says yes (about 85% of the time for most non-dirty, obese, or scummy looking men), then that means she is far more likly to give you a great session.



I don't get what you're saying about, "the culture of the place". The reason the pretty ones are turning down business from me is because Im white or that they can be drink sluts and not fuck strangers for money. Culture has zero to do with it. It is a sellers market in AC when it comes to the popular pretty girls, it's really simple. The raids have had a negative affect on the bargirl stock.

I had a great time in AC mainly because of one young lady that I bar fined 3 out of 4 days. During my 4 days in AC at approx. 15 bars I saw 3 or 4 I really wanted, out of 400+ women. One was a cherry, one was on the mens, and the other 2 didn't want to bf.

I guess some guys don't believe it when I say I had no issues w/ bargirl quality in AC bars 2010, 2011, 2012. I do now though, maybe I need glasses.

IMO you are right about service from the prettier ladies. It's not as good many many times because they're young and inexperienced, or just don't care about you. They want to finish and leave asap. I agree w/ that 100%

This one had a million dollar smile and I thought she squeeked into a 7 rating, her heart is a 10. Man she was nice.

Switched
06-26-14, 13:15
This is what I nailed there in mid May....Nice, but very suprised to see that you scored muff. Was also there around that time, picked up 5 ladies and had my hands down the pants of about another half dozen. The only pubes I found all trip was my own.

Betong
06-26-14, 14:18
I kinda like to bring things down to an exact science to help my experience and others.Well then really you're not in the right place. In the Philippines in general and especially in AC, it usually comes down to personal chemistry. If you get along well with the girl, she'll want to stick around. If not, she'll do a runner as soon as she can.

The idea that a certain amount of money should buy you a certain package of services, or that there's any predicting what will happen once you get to your room just doesn't work here. Most of these girls at heart are really only semi-pros. Dealing with them requires the same kind of social skills as dealing with non-working women. Which is probably the last thing a lot of newbies want to hear, but personally I think it's part of the appeal of the place.

Pip Jaeger
06-26-14, 15:07
If not, she'll do a runner as soon as she can.

About the only exception to that are girls from the blo row bars on Santos and Raymond streets. Last I heard they are required to stay for 2-4 hours for ST and 12-14 hours for LT. Be sure to clarify before you take out. If the girl should do a runner (I've never had it happen from any of those bars) you may get a partial refund (or time with another girl), even if you did stick your dick in her.

Disclaimer for the "English Five O": Sorry for any spelling / grammar mistakes, English is not my native language.

Socker
06-26-14, 19:54
Nice, but very suprised to see that you scored muff. Was also there around that time, picked up 5 ladies and had my hands down the pants of about another half dozen. The only pubes I found all trip was my own.Thanks and yes, THE MUFFS ARE BACK!! On this trip I saw a lot of pussy hair and the girl's bodies look so much better w / a landscaped Bush, it's what I like to see, not a plain beak.

If they shave then the beauty is diminished w / a bald landscape. Most guys like it for some reason.

The only practical reason for liking a bald pussy is it's easy to clean, maybe avoid hair burns on the side of your dick.

Now if the sight of a bald pussy turns you on, well, I gotta say that's legit too.

Those are legitimate reasons but superficially the young soft pussy hair is a gourmet item for some, it's got to be a new Bush imo. My 2 p.

Let me see if I can find the nice bushes. Well they're not very bushy but still nice, five different ladies.

Tyrion82
06-27-14, 02:46
where are all the decent sw? the only ones i see are either ladyboys or ****d girls on fields ave. i'm tempted to walk pass the dark part of raymond or santos, but its not worth getting mugged or stabbed over. are there any spots for good sw action? thanks.

betong, i get what your saying and at some level it is exciting. but, i may sound like i'm a newb to the mongering game, i've been mongering for awhile. ac has flipped the rules on me and i feel like i'm starting from scratch, which is fun and frustrating at the same time. i'm the kind of guy that likes some consistency when mongering. my previous experience doesn't help me at all here. so, it's kind of ruining the fun for me a little. to sum up ac in two sentences. its like trying to go on a real expensive date, either you get to score at the end of the date or you walk the road of rejection. sometimes you get the date, but it turns out all she wanted was a free lunch.

ac style is new and exciting and all, but for newbs like me its diminishing the full potential of the experience. don't get me wrong, i'm trying to get with the program. the skills required to truly have fun in ac is a little rusty. if those skills were as sharp as it should be, i wouldn't be mongering at all internationally or domestically.

Socker
06-27-14, 07:03
The skills required to truly have fun in AC is a little rusty. If those skills were as sharp as it should be, I wouldn't be mongering at all internationally or domestically.So, if your skills were as sharp as they shoud be, where would you be mongering? Is there another reality I missing? Underwater maybe?

No No, it would have to be on another planet.

This is exciting!

Tyrion82
06-27-14, 07:56
So, if your skills were as sharp as they shoud be, where would you be mongering? Is there another reality I missing? Underwater maybe?

No No, it would have to be on another planet.

This is exciting!Your condescending tone is not appreciated and nor is it mature for a grown man.

You misunderstood what I said. Maybe I should've been more clearer for the less than average minded people. My apologies to everyone. If my skills were as sharp as it should be for this type of mongering, I wouldn't be mongering at all internationally or domestically. I would have a cute gf right now that I would be fucking back at home. If that's not clear than its lost on me.

Honestly, sometimes I see some unnecessary hostility on this forum. This forum is for mature adults who partake in mongering and want to share their stories and connect with other like minded people. If you don't like what someone is saying then do it in a mature and constructive manner. Lets be civilized and apologize for any mistakes.

Mogwai
06-27-14, 08:22
where are all the decent sw? the only ones i see are either ladyboys or ****d girls on fields ave. i'm tempted to walk pass the dark part of raymond or santos, but its not worth getting mugged or stabbed over. are there any spots for good sw action? thanks.

maybe you're looking at the wrong time? in my experience most of them are walking up and down fields (the walking street part for the most) between 8 and 11 pm. after 11 their number diminishes rapidly. i guess they either go home then or to one of the disco's. but anyway there aren't that many.

if you are also walking up and down fields you might miss some of them because they either walk (far) behind or in front of you. it's not like beach road in pattaya where most girls stay in the same spot all night.
better have a seat at for example kokomos and look if you see girls that are passing by more than once or twice. worked for me a couple of times.

Mr Enternational
06-27-14, 09:41
where are all the decent sw? the only ones i see are either ladyboys or ****d girls on fields ave. i'm tempted to walk pass the dark part of raymond or santos, but its not worth getting mugged or stabbed over. are there any spots for good sw action? thanks.
maybe you're looking at the wrong time? in my experience most of them are walking up and down fields (the walking street part for the most) between 8 and 11 pm. after 11 their number diminishes rapidly. i guess they either go home then or to one of the disco's. but anyway there aren't that many.

if you are also walking up and down fields you might miss some of them because they either walk (far) behind or in front of you. it's not like beach road in pattaya where most girls stay in the same spot all night.as mogwai said, in ac you shouldn't be after the street walkers, but the girl who are walking in the streets.

Tyrion82
06-27-14, 10:25
As Mogwai said, in AC you shouldn't be after the street walkers, but the girl who are walking in the streets.Mr E,

You just blew my mind with the simplicity, yet profound mongering statement. Mogwai thanks for the advice. It always seems to be that the girls are out of arms reach cause they do move around I noticed, now that you mention it. I hope the SW aren't as picky as the bar girls and a lot cheaper.

Dg8787, I'm in town if you still want to meet up for a quick drink. Again, I'm that chubby azn guy with perfect English.

Time to continue my education of the landscape, which is known to most as Fields Ave AKA Walking Street AKA AC.

Pinaypounder
06-27-14, 15:43
You don't need skills, you need to be pleasant or nice or approachable or funny or charming all those things you iused to be before your ex **** wife (I am guessing here) fucked you over!

If it is straight "come here **** and suck my dick now *****" experience that you want I think Thailand may be better and well that stuff costs more, way more and I don't think that exists in Phils they are too sexually ignorant. Most Phi girls still have shades of romance in their heads. A nice New York or Vancouver Crack working girl will fill that bill (cheap end) or a $ 1500 call girl in New York.

Fuck dude, smile and wave ang be a little generous and by generous I mean spend $ 5 on food and another $ 10 on drinks. And I bet I can hear your whining when you are there. Don't WHINE, they don't have to fuck you and we don't have to give you advice!

Start the day on Blow job row, they can really say no and once your stress is lowered then go have lunch and start to work it in the bar.

If you can't get laid in the Phils you certainly can't get a gf.

We all have bad days I personally can't get laid in Davoa but AC aint Davao.

And if all else fails all problems can be solved by throwing money at it and you may have some savings to spend from what I read.

PP.

Golfinho
06-27-14, 16:08
So, if your skills were as sharp as they should be, where would you be mongering? Is there another reality I missing? Underwater maybe?Location close enough: girls in a fishbowl and wearing numbers.

X Man
06-27-14, 16:11
Oh, I beg to differ. A condescending attitude is quite appropriate at certain times and in certain situations. I think Socker's little joke was pretty harmless. No reason to go insinuating that he is "less than average minded". Of course he is, but that's beside the point. LOL. X.


Your condescending tone is not appreciated and nor is it mature for a grown man.

You misunderstood what I said. Maybe I should've been more clearer for the less than average minded people. My apologies to everyone. If my skills were as sharp as it should be for this type of mongering, I wouldn't be mongering at all internationally or domestically. I would have a cute gf right now that I would be fucking back at home. If that's not clear than its lost on me.

Honestly, sometimes I see some unnecessary hostility on this forum. This forum is for mature adults who partake in mongering and want to share their stories and connect with other like minded people. If you don't like what someone is saying then do it in a mature and constructive manner. Lets be civilized and apologize for any mistakes.

Manny51
06-27-14, 16:34
Oh, I beg to differ. A condescending attitude is quite appropriate at certain times and in certain situations. I think Socker's little joke was pretty harmless. No reason to go insinuating that he is "less than average minded". Of course he is, but that's beside the point. LOL. X.Actually, condescension and anger seem to be the norm on this thread. Just go back and read for a few months. I don't what it is about the PI forums, but there seems to be a small group of people who just live to lurk around and respond to every question or comment with vile sarcasm. He berates the other guy, claiming that because he knows how to "treat them," that he gets no condom freebies all the time from 19 year old spinners. Lame. Probably some crusty old retirees in worn out hawaiian shirts killing time in a muggy bar between picking at the crusty herpes sores on his dick and banging streetwalkers at 11 am.

The funniest thing is when they start fighting with each other.

Whatever. At least this forum has taught me the valuable skill of how to read forums. Keep intelligent conversations with normal people going, and just ignore the creeps.

Streetlooker
06-27-14, 20:29
Well those who are going to AC looking for model quality in the girls have always been disappointed. I have been going since 1988 and I have never saw this has a place to bang models. Now lucky for me my type of girl is brown skin small spinners which AC has 1000's of all over the place. Funny the story of the guy wanting Russian type white girls looking in the Philippines for them. HUH? The girls in the Philippines are what they are small quite GFE and that why I go. Looks are just part of what I like AC girls for. Now if they could just do something about all them damn beggars and touts then we have something positive going on for fields ave.

Chris Long
06-27-14, 20:57
where are all the decent sw? the only ones i see are either ladyboys or ****d girls on fields ave. i'm tempted to walk pass the dark part of raymond or santos, but its not worth getting mugged or stabbed over. are there any spots for good sw action? thanks.

betong, i get what your saying and at some level it is exciting. but, i may sound like i'm a newb to the mongering game, i've been mongering for awhile. ac has flipped the rules on me and i feel like i'm starting from scratch, which is fun and frustrating at the same time. i'm the kind of guy that likes some consistency when mongering. my previous experience doesn't help me at all here. so, it's kind of ruining the fun for me a little. to sum up ac in two sentences. its like trying to go on a real expensive date, either you get to score at the end of the date or you walk the road of rejection. sometimes you get the date, but it turns out all she wanted was a free lunch.

ac style is new and exciting and all, but for newbs like me its diminishing the full potential of the experience. don't get me wrong, i'm trying to get with the program. the skills required to truly have fun in ac is a little rusty. if those skills were as sharp as it should be, i wouldn't be mongering at all internationally or domestically.tyrone,

you are correct the streetwalkers are much less numerous than in pervious years and the lady boys are more numerous unfortunately. for streetwalkers try the far end of walking street at mcdonalds where the little mcdonalds ice cream stand is there are usually a few cute free lancers there at night. you will not get mugged or hurt in any way going down santos or raymond at night and there are some diamonds to be had especially in the short time bars, going down santos past wild orchid and one block to the left around some run down local hotels sunset lodge i believe its called you will find street walkers there are some real diamonds that can be found there. the place looks shady with some street people sleeping there but i have never ever had a problem walking down there at any hour of the night.

don't take the rejection from the girls here personal and don't let others on here put you down and make you think it is you. i am not hansome but i don't consider myself ugly or grotesque i am always clean with clean clothes, friendly, smile with the girls, polite try to joke with them and be a gentleman and i have been having dismal success here in ac. tonight for example went to pony tales asked the head waitress if trixie would come over for a drink she comes over and says she is hungry and going to get something to eat and she will be back. i wait a half hour when she finely returns as she approaches someone in the table next to me calls her and she disappears, strike one. the waitress seems some what friendly and attractive so i strike up a conversation with her and eventually move the conversation around to bar fine and the dreaded menstruation excuse is used, strike two, i have the momason call another girl over for me, i buy her a drink we talk we joke eventually i move the conversation around to bar fine and she says only short time and no bj so i take a pass and figure three strikes time for me to leave. go to atlantis and strike up a conversation with an attractive waitress we talk we joke i eventually move the conversation around to bar fine and again only short time and no bj this was my third strike at atlantis this week. tuesday call a girl down buy her a drink we talk we joke i eventually move the conversation around to bar fine and she says only bar hopping no boom boom, i take a pass. wednesday the same think i call a girl down buy her a drink we talk we joke eventually i move the conversation around to bar fine and she says only short time one boom boom and no bj i take a pass. after my fourth strike out of the night at atlantis i move over to camelot here my string of bad luck was broken an attractive gogo girl is sitting close to me and actually looks back in my direction with a pleasant smile when i glance her way, so i try to strike up a conversation and she is pleasantly responsive 20 years old and the one i thought was the most attractive in the place, i buy her a drink we talk we joke i eventually move the conversation around to bar fine and she is perfectly happy and willing to leave with me and do all the things i like. we go back to the room for really really great boom boom after i go to jolly bee and buy her something to eat go back to the room we lay in bed and eat i grab the computer and start writing this she has just drifted off as soon as i am done writing this i am going to roll over and boom boom her again.

i think this is very typical of ac mongering and something that does not get enough attention, the amount of rejection and turn downs you have to face before you find a successful one. tonight for example i was successful one out of five attempts but the one success was in my opinion a very attractive girl who gave me super great sex. i think too many guys write about and dwell on the success and forget and don't mention the high level of rejection that takes place in ac.

after one month of being in ac i have had about a 30% to 40% success rate (maybe 50% at best) when trying to bar fine gogo bar girls. a 10% success rate when trying to get door girls a 90% success rate with girls from the short time bars on raymond and santos a 50% success rate with various girls walking on fields and perimeter and about a 60% to 70% success rate with girls from high society disco.

tyrone if you are still around captain munch and myself are at kokomos every day for a drink and a bit if you are interested in joining us we will be there, my phone and my camera will be sitting in front of me. tomorrow saturday however we will be at score birds for the doll house group bikini contest. it begins at 2: pm i have a free pass for you if you are interested.

chris

Tyrion82
06-27-14, 22:39
You don't need skills, you need to be pleasant or nice or approachable or funny or charming all those things you iused to be before your wife (I am guessing here) fucked you over!

If it is straight "come here **** and suck my dick now *****" experience that you want I think Thailand may be better and well that stuff costs more, way more and I don't think that exists in Phils they are too sexually ignorant. Most Phi girls still have shades of romance in their heads. A nice New York or Vancouver Crack working girl will fill that bill (cheap end) or a $ 1500 call girl in New York.

Fuck dude, smile and wave ang be a little generous and by generous I mean spend $ 5 on food and another $ 10 on drinks. And I bet I can hear your whining when you are there. Don't WHINE, they don't have to fuck you and we don't have to give you advice!

Start the day on Blow job row, they can really say no and once your stress is lowered then go have lunch and start to work it in the bar.

If you can't get laid in the Phils you certainly can't get a gf.

We all have bad days I personally can't get laid in Davoa but AC aint Davao.

And if all else fails all problems can be solved by throwing money at it and you may have some savings to spend from what I read.

PP.Everything you mentioned is a skill set. You think I'm some douchebag screaming give me sex everytime I walk in to a bar. Of course I'm trying to be nice, plesant, approachable, etc. Maybe if you use your head then you realize maybe there are other possibilities such as these gals are superficial and don't want ugly johns.

Phil girls are unprofessional. They need to learn from their counterparts from around the world. In this business, you don't refuse willing customers with cash ready for the taking. Its bad business. Maybe if you went to college, you might know a thing or two about making money. [Deleted by Admin]

You have no idea how generous I am with the girls I do takeout. I bet you're a cheap charlie and give them less than 500 pesos for tip and you don't buy them breakfast at their favorite restaurant or get'them a gift. I don't want advice from an obvious idiot like you. For a guy telling someone to be nice and spend money on a lady, you sound like a insensitive bastard which contradicts everything you are saying.

Would I be mongering if I had a gf to fuck. You're in the same boat so stop being hypocritical.

How can I throw money at a working girl if she doesn't want to except it.

I have a right to make negative comments just like every other member has in the last 10 pages. You make quite a lot of assumptions. [Deleted by Admin] The basis of a forum is a discussion and sharing / advising of info with fellow members. I put my foot in mouth for getting angry, but I swear I feel like there are too many kids here and not enough mature adults. Why can't we be human about things. Only children point and make rude assumptions and remarks.

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Socker
06-28-14, 00:36
Your condescending tone is not appreciated and nor is it mature for a grown man.

You misunderstood what I said. Maybe I should've been more clearer for the less than average minded people. My apologies to everyone. If my skills were as sharp as it should be for this type of mongering, I wouldn't be mongering at all internationally or domestically. I would have a cute gf right now that I would be fucking back at home. If that's not clear than its lost on me.

Honestly, sometimes I see some unnecessary hostility on this forum. This forum is for mature adults who partake in mongering and want to share their stories and connect with other like minded people. If you don't like what someone is saying then do it in a mature and constructive manner. Lets be civilized and apologize for any mistakes.Tyrioni, Bro, No one was condescending here, I was making a simple joke based on what you said. Maybe english is not your first language, maybe it is, I don't know. Sometimes we all say something funny by accident and that's what you did.




The skills required to truly have fun in AC is a little rusty. If those skills were as sharp as it should be, I wouldn't be mongering at all internationally or domestically.

So my advice to you about life is to lighten up a bit. It was a joke. I'm a smart ass sometimes, what can I say? As far as I know there are only 2 places on this earth, domestic OR international depending on where you live.

As for enjoying AC you're getting a lot of good advice.

My method of mongering involves year round preparation including exercise, tanning. Lazer hair removal, haircut & dye before trip, learning to speak spanish, buying nice shoes and clothes, expensive cologne, bring portable stereo w / contemporary music (fuck & suck music), buy chocolates and lingerie as gifts for the ladies, treat them well and have fun.

The best thing I do is the exercising which has given me a fuck machine body. Exercise is my fountain of youth, I'm 62.

There's never enough humor in this world. Good luck!

Capt Munch
06-28-14, 01:30
Again, I'm that chubby azn guy with perfect English.Ty, I am still confused. Which nationality ia Azn?

And as Socker mentions, you are getting lots of good advice here.

I think that Chris L's report #14714 is a nice reality check on a little of how things work here in AC for an average monger, not some of the Hi-Rollers that visit.

There can be rejection from some of the girls but as everywhere, there is a girl for every guy. Here, it takes a little work, just like it does everywhere.

It is not simply point and "shoot". These are regular girls and they are NOT seasoned pros. Well, . . . . there are a few of those either in the streets or in the bars, BUT, most are simply great young ladies.

The choice is always theirs. On the plus side, Filipinas are sweet and really do like to please. One of the reasons, that they are so GFE when you do get them back to the room.

Sit around some of the more K oriented bars and watch. You might think that there is an easy approach to getting the girls out of the bars. Quite often, the K club, individually or as a group will walk in the bar, stand and stare at the girls on stage or walk around the bar. If they find one that they like, they simply go up and ask if the girl wants to go. They have a pretty good success rate with this approach by my estimate.

It has been a while since I tried this approach, but then it has worked for me in the past, and I am an older Caucasian guy. That may still be the second most favorite group behind the K club for these girls. Well. . . . there are plenty of us older Caucasian guys still in Angeles, even if we are slowly dieing off.

The girls have lots of excuses on why they may not want to go that night. . . . menstruation / sleepy / party with friends / High Society later / laundry / Filipino BF / etc.

Pick some of the smaller bars like Body Shop / Shooterz / Shipwrecked / VooDoo (on Fields) or try some of the Perimeter bars in the afternoon. . . . the girls may not be model quality, but they can be fun and loving.

As Chris L mentioned, if you can find us, we are at Kokomos (usually around 5 pm) Just look for a couple of older white guys and we will be on the lookout for a chubby Azn guy that speaks perfect English.

Munch.

D Cups
06-28-14, 14:51
Captain Munch and myself are at Kokomos every day for a drink...Hi Chris, it kills me that I had to cancel my trip to Cebu and AC this time (to tend to my aging dog who apparently pulled off the biggest con in canine history to get me to return home early). Anyways, I'm glad you guys are having a good time and I hope our paths cross some other time.

Ekspat
06-28-14, 14:56
Hi Chris, it kills me that I had to cancel my trip to Cebu and AC this time Too bad, my friend, but you shouldn't forget Burgos in between. Always worth a visit!

Greetings from Makati!

D Cups
06-28-14, 15:00
Too bad, my friend, but you shouldn't forget Burgos in between. Always worth a visit! Greetings from Makati!Hi Eks, thanks for your note. Ya, Burgos has always been a fave despite the costs. Man, there are some beauties there! Bang a cute one with big boobs for me, will you? Hahaha.

Manny51
06-28-14, 15:35
Tyrone,

Don't take the rejection from the girls here personal and don't let others on here put you down and make you think it is you. I am not hansome but I don't consider myself ugly or grotesque I am always clean with clean clothes, friendly, smile with the girls, polite try to joke with them and be a gentleman and I have been having dismal success here in AC. Tonight for example went to Pony tales asked the head waitress if Trixie would come over for a drink she comes over and says she is hungry and going to get something to eat and she will be back. I wait a half hour when she finely returns as she approaches someone in the table next to me calls her and she disappears, strike one. The waitress seems some what friendly and attractive so I strike up a conversation with her and eventually move the conversation around to bar fine and the dreaded menstruation excuse is used, strike two, I have the momason call another girl over for me, I buy her a drink we talk we joke eventually I move the conversation around to bar fine and she says only short time and no BJ so I take a pass and figure three strikes time for me to leave. Go to Atlantis and strike up a conversation with an attractive waitress we talk we joke I eventually move the conversation around to bar fine and again only short time and no BJ this was my third strike at Atlantis this week. Tuesday call a girl down buy her a drink we talk we joke I eventually move the conversation around to bar fine and she says only bar hopping no boom boom, I take a pass. Wednesday the same think I call a girl down buy her a drink we talk we joke eventually I move the conversation around to bar fine and she says only short time one boom boom and no BJ I take a pass. After my fourth strike out of the night at Atlantis I move over to Camelot here my string of bad luck was broken an attractive gogo girl is sitting close to me and actually looks back in my direction with a pleasant smile when I glance her way, so I try to strike up a conversation and she is pleasantly responsive 20 years old and the one I thought was the most attractive in the place, I buy her a drink we talk we joke I eventually move the conversation around to bar fine and she is perfectly happy and willing to leave with me and do all the things I like. We go back to the room for really really great boom boom after I go to Jolly Bee and buy her something to eat go back to the room we lay in bed and eat I grab the computer and start writing this she has just drifted off as soon as I am done writing this I am going to roll over and boom boom her again.

I think this is very typical of AC mongering and something that does not get enough attention, the amount of rejection and turn downs you have to face before you find a successful one. Tonight for example I was successful one out of five attempts but the one success was in my opinion a very attractive girl who gave me super great sex. I think too many guys write about and dwell on the success and forget and don't mention the high level of rejection that takes place in AC.

After one month of being in AC I have had about a 30% to 40% success rate (maybe 50% at best) when trying to bar fine gogo bar girls. A 10% success rate when trying to get door girls a 90% success rate with girls from the short time bars on Raymond and Santos a 50% success rate with various girls walking on fields and perimeter and about a 60% to 70% success rate with girls from High Society disco.

ChrisCan I ask the obvious questions?

1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?

D Cups
06-28-14, 15:42
Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?Manny, you might want to consider an alternate location.

X Man
06-28-14, 16:12
Congratulations Manny on learning a valuable skill. Knowing how to read is always a good thing. X.


Actually, condescension and
SNIP

At least this forum has taught me the valuable skill of how to read forums. SNIP

Ekspat
06-28-14, 16:27
Man, there are some beauties there! Bang a cute one with big boobs for me, will you? Hahaha.Been there! Done that!

Wicked Roger
06-28-14, 16:30
Can I ask the obvious questions?

1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?Manny,

1. You make smell? Some girls like the look but not the smell. Trust me on this as I know plenty who turn down a smelly (but I also know some who don't care LOL). Or you be wasted / too drunk and again could be seen as too aggressive. So many possibilities you seem not to think of. Seeing a drunk smelly expat sitting in the gutter in Cebu outside Geckos was one thing I can't forget and am sure he was rejected LOL.

2. Yes I am going there in the next few months albeit for a very naughty part LOL But my advice is go to Thailand.

WestCoast1
06-28-14, 17:11
2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Because its still a great spot to find cuties by the truckload. I've been thinking your 1) and 2) for some time. But I'd still recommend the place.


Is it because you are ALREADY there? No.


Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?Yes. Along with some alternatives.

Pip Jaeger
06-28-14, 17:21
Can I ask the obvious questions?
1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

Yes Manny, you could say that they are technically prostitutes, but they're more semi-pro and there's no house rule saying they have to go with you. They are hired as GRO's and they have the discretion to go with whom they choose. As an aside, and not that anyone really cares, but how do you think the girls feel when they get rejected? Ever think about that? If a hot spinner turns me down I may be disappointed, especially if I've bought them a drink or two, but I don't take it personally and am therefore not insulted. There's plenty of fish left in the ocean and so I merely move onto trying to catch another one.

In addition, IMHO the reasons girls turn guys down could be many. Some of the obvious ones are: hygiene, smoker, slovenly appearance, too fat and / or too drunk; racial issues and bigotry also come into play. I know I've met people before that for some reason I just don't like right from the start and the girls are the same. I am not trying to defend them, but remember they have to deal with a lot of crap from a lot of guys who are from all over the world. And most of these girls are simple minded and uneducated who have lofty ideas about hitting the "foreigner lottery". Many feel that as long as their belly's are full, they have a few pesos in their pocket, enough to send home to feed their kids / family at the end of the month and the latest cell phone, then they're quite happy. They live in the moment, financial planning and saving up for the proverbial rainy day is an absolute foreign concept to the majority them. Very few of them there see what they're doing as a "business", they just want to be with their friends, have fun and make a little cash too; but the priority for many is simply having fun and snagging a sponsor.




2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore,Some guys like short & skinny spinners, tall and skinny, short and chubby, the Pacific Island look, the Chinetta look, the classic Pinay look, light skinned, dark skinned, long hair, short hair, long hair & light skinned; the list could go on for pages. So define pretty? You really can't.

Everyone's ideas of what's hot and what's not vary greatly. Opinions about looks are, both yours and a girls, highly subjective. In addition, there's the seasonal fluctuations to consider as well as many girls who now just work the dating sites (IMHO those would be girls living in the larger cities as few mongers travel to the provinces) and the web cam sites.


and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?
That's a decision we'll each have to make for ourselves. Even though the landscape of AC is certainly changing, I personally wouldn't rule out going there just yet. If anyone thinks it's not their cup of tea and becoming too much of a hassle, then the choice is obvious = stay home or go elsewhere.

Disclaimer for the board's "English Po Po": Sorry for any spelling / grammar mistakes, English is not my native language.

Streetlooker
06-28-14, 18:41
Can I ask the obvious questions?

1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?The girls besides being prostitutes are still humans. Everyone is talking about the looks of the girls and how they are of low quality But the punters themselves are fat discussing pigs who stink and don; t know how to dress. Why the hell would a girl go with you? Even if you pay them they still have to do a job of fucking your fat stinky ass and that's not worth any amount of money to them even if they have to starve without they rather do that then take your money. Ever watch the fat pigs walking around that place with those flip flops on and wife beaters looking like they need a bath? Get some danm water and soap you stinky bastaad. I talk to the girls and I have been rejected from time to time and its not always because of your looks either. The girls have life's outside the bar and kids to tend to and they can't be going out on your schedule all the time sometimes its just bad timing they don; t go with you sometimes its YOU are disgusting to look at and the thought of having sex with you is not worth any amount of money.

Chris Long
06-28-14, 19:19
Todays field report.

Hit the bikini contest at Score Birds with Captain Munch afterwards we check out tropix but find nothing there to our liking next we try Viking bar I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl but she is reserved and not very talkative and does not appear to want to be with me despite my best efforts to be polite and entertaining to her, I bring up the subject of bar fine and she says no immediately with out hesitation says she is tired. Next we hit equis and again I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl in the bar, one again I try to be entertaining polite and put on my best charm offensive, this time I seem to be making some head way and she agrees to let me bar fine her, she is laying next to me now as I write this, extremely attractive but a bit of an ice princess and despite being told yes in the bar there is no BJ.

It only took me three bars and two girls before I found one that would let me bar fine her.

Angeles really is a different animal when it comes to mongering it can be similar to trying to pick up regular girls in a none pro bar, that is the gogo girl has to be somewhat attracted to you and you have to put on the charm offensive and try to be appealing to her just like when trying to meet regular girls. Trying to get a gogo girl to let you bar fine her is a little like having a fish on a string you want to be very caution and try not to say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing and try to convince her to let you bar fine her. It can be very frustrating and you have to work that much harder if you are not attractive to her. I have had dismal success with gogo bar girls at best I am at a 50% success rate or lower. The quality in almost every bar is sub par that is about 85% to 90% are girls I would not bar fine. They are not ugly and if it was free and they were throwing themselves at me I would probably do them but they are not attractive enough that I would pay to do them. Almost all bars have two or three attractive to super attractive girls and naturally these are the ones I go for and that may be the reason for my dismal success rate. But I did not spend over $1000 dollars and fly for an entire day to screw women that only rate a see or to be turned down and told by more attractive women that I am so ugly even my money is not enough to get them to sleep with me.

I am not sure I will ever return to Angeles after this trip.

Chris

Tyrion82
06-28-14, 21:04
I believe the first criteria is looks for the dancers. I dress in semi-clubbing attire, shower, put on deodorant, and try to come up with cheerful conversations beefor I talk to the dancer.

The owners of the bars are running a business and not a charity. Despite the interests of the daprostitutesont own the business. In most retail / service careers, you try to maxmize sales. The rest of the mogering universe use this mo. Del cause they understand that it is a business.

Yes the girls are human, but nature of the industry requires them to adhere to certain rules. Customers are paying from cash out of their pockets, so they can crticize the girls looks. The customers are usually people that can't get sex in normal society for whatever reason, so they seek prostitutes. So, The customers are usually undesirable in some form of way. So these dancers should know this when working this industry.

I would not recommend the Philippines if you take rejections badly. Though overall I'm having a good time. But If if I weren't here and knew what my experience would be like, I would make plans for other countries.

I think I'm going to leave early, the rejections are getting to me. But its like this at most bars in the Philippines. Plus the convenience of the location. So I'm on the Fence with this one.

Capt Munch
06-29-14, 02:00
you could say that they are technically prostitutes, but they're more semi-pro.They are young ladies with a job in the Entertainment industry as it exists in Angeles. One of the bar managers "tracked" one of the "stunners" at one of the bars and based on the weekly reports, told me that she did NOT go with ANY customers. Therefore the rejection I got, may have been the same one that many mongers got. This girl gets plenty of LDs and may be making a good paycheck every week.

Some young ladies have told me that they are happy to work for their salary and have no intentions of going with a customer. Their salary equates to about 4 K php per month. That is about half of the the minimum wage here in Philippines BUT it is not considered a bad salary. Full time / live-in maids make between 1. 5 k to 4 K per month depending on location. If they work for a Pilipino family they can be worked very hard with little food or freedoms.

At least here in Angeles, these girls are "independent" and maybe on their own for the first time in their lives. That doesn't mean that they learn to budget or save any money. As soon as the family back home thinks that they have a salary, they start making the requests to send money home. And somehow, these girls manage to send 500 or 1000 php home and help the family even if sometimes they have to do without a few things here in Angeles. The Hi-rollers with the rich boyfriends / sponsors have huge cell phones and tablets but some of the girls don't even have a 500 php cell phone.

As Pip mentions they are happy to be with their friends / co-workers (in general) This work is NOT for all of them and quite a few leave after days / weeks / months to go back to the lack of work in the provinces and the poverty that exists there.

Some are fortunate or industrious and find regular employment / Some find that elusive sponsor / Some find a husband / Some continue work in the Entertainment industry.


the choice is obvious = stay home or go elsewhere.Ditto. . . . . . Manny51 . . . . . . as suggested by others "you might want to consider an alternate location. ".


English is not my native language.Pip, I thought it was a well written thoughtful post!

NapaSlapper
06-29-14, 02:24
Its so funny how some guys on boards have been so pussy whipped by females in life that they are scared of their own shadow.

A prostitute is a prostitute, simple, look in the dictionary, a woman who sells herself for monetary gain even if its only once is a prostitute, full stop.

Yes to make some feel better about themselves they will claim, the girls are not pros, they are semi pros. Bargirls, gros, door girls / waitresses only, bullshit I say.

Its funny how up to a few years ago theses same prostitutes that ply their trade in Angeles had older cousins / sisters / aunties / mothers who also worked in the same bar as the girls of now.

Guess what, there was no rejection, almost a hundred percent of bargirls barfined, no excuses, most not only barfined but stayed long time and were only too happy to dish out multiple pops as and when the punter wanted and guess what, they were a damn better looking and slimmer that the plain, chubby, princesses we are left with now.

Now according to some, we have to accept rejection, we have to dress in our finest, we have to bathe multiple times per day, we have to attend the gym so that we are not over weight, we have to be generous. We have to be kind, we have to be understanding etc etc.

I think that most guys who travel half way around the world at great expense do so to get laid by pretty, slim, girls, who for a short peace of her time gets rewarded handsomely, especially by PI terms.

Yes guys should wash, yes guys should change clothes, yes guys should not be so drunk they are abusive, but at the end of the day, if punters have to do all of the things quoted by some members to get laid in Angeles by very ordinary looking / chubby girls then most can save their time and expense and get a ordinary looking / chubby girl at home and mostly for free.

As I say pussy whipped guys will make up all the excuses in the world for the girls, these are the same guys that marry the first prostitute that opens her legs, buys her a house in her name, a business in her name, a car and her name, pays her monthly for her opening her legs a few times in a blue moon, and then when he is finally rejected by said ex prostitute and left skint, jumps off the 14th floor of his condo.

Sorry to be blunt but some one had to say it.

Dg8787
06-29-14, 03:47
Can I ask the obvious questions?

1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?Manny51,

After all is said, I don't think AC is right for you and for some like minded others. AC will not fulfill your shopping needs for prostitutes. Save yourself from some anguish and severe multiple rejections.

Dg8787.

Dg8787
06-29-14, 03:58
The girls besides being prostitutes are still humans. Everyone is talking about the looks of the girls and how they are of low quality But the punters themselves are fat discussing pigs who stink and don; t know how to dress. Why the hell would a girl go with you? Even if you pay them they still have to do a job of fucking your fat stinky ass and that's not worth any amount of money to them even if they have to starve without they rather do that then take your money. Ever watch the fat pigs walking around that place with those flip flops on and wife beaters looking like they need a bath? Get some danm water and soap you stinky bastaad. I talk to the girls and I have been rejected from time to time and its not always because of your looks either. The girls have life's outside the bar and kids to tend to and they can't be going out on your schedule all the time sometimes its just bad timing they don; t go with you sometimes its YOU are disgusting to look at and the thought of having sex with you is not worth any amount of money.So true on all accounts.

Additional item: And then you want to cheap Charlie them too!

Tyrion82
06-29-14, 04:37
Todays field report.

Hit the bikini contest at Score Birds with Captain Munch afterwards we check out tropix but find nothing there to our liking next we try Viking bar I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl but she is reserved and not very talkative and does not appear to want to be with me despite my best efforts to be polite and entertaining to her, I bring up the subject of bar fine and she says no immediately with out hesitation says she is tired. Next we hit Equis and again I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl in the bar, one again I try to be entertaining polite and put on my best charm offensive, this time I seem to be making some head way and she agrees to let me bar fine her, she is laying next to me now as I write this, extremely attractive but a bit of an ice princess and despite being told yes in the bar there is no BJ.
None truer words. Could not have said it better myself. The GFE is nice and all and the prices are better than for example Thailand, but like Manny and Chris has been saying the trip we make to be rejected about half the time is not worth it. My as well stay at home get rejected. We came here with hard earned money so that we don't feel rejection and get unrestricted access to girls and lifestyle that we can't get at home. If you like AC then more power to you. But, I don't think will back again to the Philippines. I work too hard to be rejected. In other parts of the world, working girls usually take on unattractive clients. Mongerers that are use to this will be shocked when coming to the Philippines. Like I said before, if I had the skills to attract beautiful ladies, I would not be mongering at all.

Mr Enternational
06-29-14, 05:25
1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).Picture yourself being a male prostitute. Some old fat smelly woman with fucked up teeth, a mustache, moles all over her back, and dirty feet came up to you enlisting your services. Would you jump at the chance dreaming of burying your face between her legs and sipping from her juice box, or would you just as soon starve to death?


2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?I say go see for yourself. Say you don't go this time, then 5 years down the road you decide to go and you really like it. You will be kicking yourself in the ass for the 5 years you chose not to go because you read some dumb blog. Then if you do go and don't like it you can check it off your list and be on to something else not having to worry about AC again. At first I didn't like AC at all, because there is nothing to do there but bars. But the place grew on me. So now twice a year I go to my holiday spot for 3 days, which is some new place I haven't been for diving, then on the tail end I relax in AC for 3 days. I have never had a problem finding girls to my liking. I do mostly deal with FL, especially the chicks from High Society and Sky Traxx before that. I can count on one hand with fingers left the times I have gotten a chick from a bar.

I think some people just don't want to get pussy bad enough. Maybe a girl isn't your idea of a 10. In AC you can have fun fucking 5's, 6's, or 7's until you do finally run into whoever is your 10. It's not like you go there and can only fuck once during your stay so your one fuck has to be your 10. I always leave the place with chicks remaining on my hit/bucket list because I can't get to all of them, and then the chicks that I did knock off keep pestering wanting to see me again.

TellAll
06-29-14, 05:55
The girls besides being prostitutes are still humans. Everyone is talking about the looks of the girls and how they are of low quality But the punters themselves are fat discussing pigs who stink and don; t know how to dress. Why the hell would a girl go with you? Even if you pay them they still have to do a job of fucking your fat stinky ass and that's not worth any amount of money to them even if they have to starve without they rather do that then take your money. Ever watch the fat pigs walking around that place with those flip flops on and wife beaters looking like they need a bath? Get some danm water and soap you stinky bastaad. I talk to the girls and I have been rejected from time to time and its not always because of your looks either. The girls have life's outside the bar and kids to tend to and they can't be going out on your schedule all the time sometimes its just bad timing they don; t go with you sometimes its YOU are disgusting to look at and the thought of having sex with you is not worth any amount of money.Couldn't agree more. The way some of the guys walking around AC look and dress is discusting. Of course body odor is a big no no and I have moved my seat because of the stinch on some guys. Or they are drunk, act entitled as if those ladies are less than they are.

I am in my fifties and never had any problems in AC getting a woman.

If you are getting rejected alot in AC, the problem may not be with the ladies.

Amjeck
06-29-14, 06:17
The girls besides being prostitutes are still humans. Everyone is talking about the looks of the girls and how they are of low quality But the punters themselves are fat discussing pigs who stink and don; t know how to dress. As long as men pay for "low quality", then that is what the market will provide. AC is really no different than any other scene that has become too popularized.

Manny51
06-29-14, 07:00
Manny51,

After all is said, I don't think AC is right for you and for some like minded others. AC will not fulfill your shopping needs for prostitutes. Save yourself from some anguish and severe multiple rejections.

Dg8787.LOL! You know, I tried to be diplomatic in my question. Read it again. But you had to sink and try your hand at sarcastic condescension. Fine. You asked for it.

First of all, you not only tried to insult me, but everyone else who has been talking about this whole rejection thing.

Secondly, who I ever said I would feel anguish? That was a Freudian slip on your part. I guess the rejections are starting to sting, and I touched a sore spot?

And third, you STILL didn't answer my questions.

You are just trying to rationalize getting repeatedly dumped by women that you are offering to pay for sex. So who is the loser?

That's you DG8787. The guy who gets rejected by hookers. You offer them money, they look you over, laugh at you and tell you to beat it.

Streetlooker
06-29-14, 07:24
If you totally eliminate the models of any bar and take the best of the working class girls you will get a 6 that will love you long time. If you spend a little time with a 6 they sometimes become 7's cause for some reason they start looking better the longer you look at her. Its the magic they have in that their looks change depending on the angle you see them from and banging a 7 for $35. Oo bucks a day is the best bargain on this planet.

Streetlooker
06-29-14, 07:34
Couldn't agree more. The way some of the guys walking around AC look and dress is discusting. Of course body odor is a big no no and I have moved my seat because of the stinch on some guys. Or they are drunk, act entitled as if those ladies are less than they are.

I am in my fifties and never had any problems in AC getting a woman.

If you are getting rejected alot in AC, the problem may not be with the ladies.Yeah I love the stinking drunk guy in the bar great entertainment for me and my lady of the moment I might be talking to there. Always get a good laugh at those guys expense. If I could make one rule for AC I would ban them girlie flip flops. Guys need to watch Ralphie May on his take on guys in flip flops. He has I think your half homo if you wear them.

Gajith
06-29-14, 08:14
If you totally eliminate the models of any bar and take the best of the working class girls you will get a 6 that will love you long time. If you spend a little time with a 6 they sometimes become 7's cause for some reason they start looking better the longer you look at her. Its the magic they have in that their looks change depending on the angle you see them from and banging a 7 for $35. Oo bucks a day is the best bargain on this planet.Practical & workable approach but not applicable for Tom Cruises in this forum. btw I am not anywhere near to Mr Tom.

Amjeck
06-29-14, 08:25
The guy who gets rejected by hookers. You offer them money, they look you over, laugh at you and tell you to beat it.Is this a case of girls being choosy or flat out denying sex for money to anybody?

Have the percentage of drink working girls increased?

Are korean guys getting rejected too?

Pip Jaeger
06-29-14, 12:05
Some young ladies have told me that they are happy to work for their salary and have no intentions of going with a customer. Their salary equates to about 4 K php per month. That is about half of the the minimum wage here in Philippines BUT it is not considered a bad salary.Thanks for the compliment Capt. And you make a good point, I overlooked the salary aspect. Some bars pay even more then 150 p per day, but even at that rate plus a few ladies drinks and they're doing as well as (if not better) then a girl standing on her feet all day in a department store.

Disclaimer for the boards' "English Nazi's": Sorry for any spelling / grammar mistakes, English is not my native language.

Dg8787
06-29-14, 12:22
LOL! You know, I tried to be diplomatic in my question. Read it again. But you had to sink and try your hand at sarcastic condescension. Fine. You asked for it.

First of all, you not only tried to insult me, but everyone else who has been talking about this whole rejection thing.

Secondly, who I ever said I would feel anguish? That was a Freudian slip on your part. I guess the rejections are starting to sting, and I touched a sore spot?

And third, you STILL didn't answer my questions.

You are just trying to rationalize getting repeatedly dumped by women that you are offering to pay for sex. So who is the loser?

That's you DG8787. The guy who gets rejected by hookers. You offer them money, they look you over, laugh at you and tell you to beat it.Manny51,

You are all over this and other boards with your statement and insulting comment about girls you have never met! Yes there is a rejection factor. Yes there is a perceived beauty question. Yes there are many variables here. The loser is the one who never takes the risk and sits in the closet over mannylizing it.

When are you going dip your little toe into sometihing?

Member #4698
06-29-14, 13:10
In AC you can have fun fucking 5's, 6's, or 7's until you do finally run into whoever is your 10. It's not like you go there and can only fuck once during your stay so your one fuck has to be your 10. I always leave the place with chicks remaining on my hit/bucket list because I can't get to all of them, and then the chicks that I did knock off keep pestering wanting to see me again.That's right. You can have a hell of a lot of fun shagging AC girl next door gone bad types. I had trouble finding the right girl on my first night in AC, then I performed a quick overnight re-calibration on my Thai honed hunting style and everything fell into place. This is the land of the GFE. Enjoy it for what it is. By the way, if you want really good looking girls, AC has them too. Go to the Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile) and check out their cultural dancers (Daddy's Girls).

I never get around to as many girls as I initially plan (a different girl every night) in AC and I always leave many eligible nice looking girls in their bars because invariably I meet a girl that is too good for just one night or one trip for that matter and I stick with her. I don't know what all this rejection talk is about. If you don't receive a positive "please talk to me, I want to be your EWR" look from a girl while she is dancing on stage, pass on her no matter how attractive she is. If the girls in a specific bar seem uninterested, leave that bar and go to another one. It is that simple. I am a man in Asia. I have a dick and a wallet (Have Gun Will Travel). That makes me an individual in high demand in these parts. I am the one doing the rejection. No lady drinks for standoffish uninterested girls. No lady drinks for unattractive girls. No drinks for me in bars populated with uninterested girls. Period.

P.S. AC, Subic, Burgos, MBC, EDSA Entertainment Complex are all buyer's markets. I can't believe some of the recent opinions expressed on this board to the contrary. And yes, these girls are professional hookers and human beings too. Duh! What's that got to do with anything? Most bar girls can't survive on drink money alone. Have you visited their dorms where they live? Just be a friendly guy practicing healthy hygiene with a good attitude and understand your place in the hierarchy. If you can't find good girls and GFE in AC the problem is YOU.

Mr Enternational
06-29-14, 14:12
If I could make one rule for AC I would ban them girlie flip flops. Guys need to watch Ralphie May on his take on guys in flip flops. He has I think your half homo if you wear them.But his argument was that guys should not wear them because they do not take care of their feet, which goes along with proper grooming. And not grooming well is one of the arguments as to why hookers are telling guys no.

JimmyB21
06-29-14, 16:24
lol! you know, i tried to be diplomatic in my question. read it again. but you had to sink and try your hand at sarcastic condescension. fine. you asked for it.

first of all, you not only tried to insult me, but everyone else who has been talking about this whole rejection thing.

secondly, who i ever said i would feel anguish? that was a freudian slip on your part. i guess the rejections are starting to sting, and i touched a sore spot?

and third, you still didn't answer my questions.

you are just trying to rationalize getting repeatedly dumped by women that you are offering to pay for sex. so who is the loser?

that's you dg8787. the guy who gets rejected by hookers. you offer them money, they look you over, laugh at you and tell you to beat it.hi manny,

i don't post here often, but i'm going to try and answer your question and in the hope of not starting an argument, will clearly state this is.

just my opinion:

1. how can you not take rejection as an insult? they are prostitutes. you are offering to pay them for sex.

i don't because firstly i'm a reasonably attractive dude and not a bad catch in most circles, yet some girls want to fuck me and some don't whether its a p4p situation or not.

secondly, in ac unlike places like thailand / macau / hk / etc there is little to no pressure from the bosses to go with customers. many girls in thailand / macau / china specifically have to go with a customer when requested or face retribution, the fact that a girl comes over to me and asks / agrees to go home with me is a (very tiny because i'm still paying usually) ego boost and ensures (mostly) that i am not paying 1-300 usd (depending on which of the above countries i'm in) for a useless / half-assed experience that "suddenly" gets cut short.

if she likes you shell be more into it, want to please and will only leave when you ask her to. don't get me wrong, if i get rejected (and it has happened) it gives me a small, dissapointed jerk to the gut, but i'm better for it and in the end; relieved i didn't waste my time and money (after i've had another drink.

2. why would anyone want to visit ac if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? 3) is it because you are already there? 4) would you still recommend ac to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?

1) i only started going there 2 years ago, so have no base for comparison. i also hear that there used to be no aids and major diseases and everyone in the world was fucking.

bareback with "no" consequences. i wasnt there for that, so can't go crying over spilt milk, same with ac. but like another poster i like different types of girls at different times.

there is a good variety of girls in pi some look chinese, some thai, some short and spinnery, i like the variety.

2) they are turning you down? as answered above; if you don't want to fuck me, i don't want to fuck you (well i do, because i'm a guy, and i have a penis. but i'm not going to waste my time) i have done it before in thailand with a girl or two i just really found amazingly beautiful and even though she wasn't enthusiastic before i bf'd her, i was tipsy / horny and did it anyway; the experiences were expensive, shitty, and i felt a bit rapey afterwards tbh. but to each his own.

3) i live in asia so have access to all the mongerhavens here. i go to ac because its ridiculously cheap, the attitude of the girls is alot friendlier, and i generally have a 60+% certainty that the girl i'm with likes me for more than just the $30 usd she is going to make off me. also english levels are better than most places, so i can actually have a conversation before and after the deed.

4) no, not really, its a monger spot, go bang, play golf, see subic if you need some "beach pics" for the so, and get some sleep during the day. but its cheap, the people are friendly, and if you don't do anything stupid (like go out with a $10,000 usd watch on at night in a country where the average person won't make that in a decade. i have seen it), you're safer than you would be in any us city. but don't fly all the way over to asia from europe or us just to go to ac unless its for business or something.

i'm not an experienced monger, have been in the game less than 5 years, and again, this is just my attempt at an answer, i am not preaching gospel.

cheers

Manny51
06-29-14, 16:38
Manny51,

You are all over this and other boards with your statement and insulting comment about girls you have never met! Yes there is a rejection factor. Yes there is a perceived beauty question. Yes there are many variables here. The loser is the one who never takes the risk and sits in the closet over mannylizing it.

When are you going dip your little toe into sometihing?I asked the question honestly, in a non-insulting way. I also was agreeing with the opinion of other people talking about the same thing.

Why don't you just agree that you overreacted and be done with it? Trying to insult my reputation is just amateur.

Dg8787
06-29-14, 16:55
Its so funny how some guys on boards have been so pussy whipped by females in life that they are scared of their own shadow.

A prostitute is a prostitute, simple, look in the dictionary, a woman who sells herself for monetary gain even if its only once is a prostitute, full stop.

Yes to make some feel better about themselves they will claim, the girls are not pros, they are semi pros. Bargirls, gros,door girls / waitresses only, bullshit I say.

Its funny how up to a few years ago theses same prostitutes that ply their trade in angeles had older cousins / sisters / aunties / mothers who also worked in the same bar as the girls of now.

Guess what, there was no rejection, almost a hundred percent of bargirls barfined, no excuses, most not only barfined but stayed long time and were only too happy to dish out multiple pops as and when the punter wanted and guess what, they were a damn better looking and slimmer that the plain, chubby, princesses we are left with now.

Now according to some, we have to accept rejection, we have to dress in our finest, we have to bathe multiple times per day, we have to attend the gym so that we are not over weight, we have to be generous. We have to be kind, we have to be understanding etc etc.

I think that most guys who travel half way around the world at great expense do so to get laid by pretty, slim, girls, who for a short peace of her time gets rewarded handsomely, especially by pi terms, yes guys should wash, yes guys should change clothes, yes guys should not be so drunk they are abusive.

But at the end of the day, if punters have to do all of the things quoted by some members to get laid in angeles by very ordinary looking / chubby girls then most can save their time and expense and get a ordinary looking / chubby girl at home and mostly for free.

As I say pussy whipped guys will make up all the excuses in the world for the girls, these are the same guys that marry the first prostitute that opens her legs, buys her a house in her name, a business in her name, a car and her name, pays her monthly for her opening her legs a few times in a blue moon, and then when he is finally rejected by said ex prostitute and left skint, jumps of the 14th floor of his condo.
Sorry to be blunt but some one had to say it.With the equal pyscho babble I would assume you had a close family member, ex-wife maybe current wife working as a working girl. There somebody had to sat it.

Socker
06-29-14, 17:28
I don't know what all this rejection talk is about. If you don't receive a positive "please talk to me, I want to be your EWR" look from a girl while she is dancing on stage, pass on her no matter how attractive she is. If the girls in a specific bar seem uninterested, leave that bar and go to another one. It is that simple. I am a man in Asia. I have a dick and a wallet (Have Gun Will Travel). That makes me an individual in high demand in these parts. I am the one doing the rejection. No lady drinks for standoffish uninterested girls. No lady drinks for unattractive girls. No drinks for me in bars populated with uninterested girls. Period.

I clearly stated my opinion. That the raids have had a significent impact on the AC environment. There are A LOT LESS young dancers, 18,19. There are a lot less very pretty ladies and when you do find one. They are in demand, it is not a buyers market W / THEM.

It is a buyers market w / 85% of the BGs because 85% of the BGs are not pretty imo. Fours years ago before the big raid push by the USA there was eye candy everywhere. If you think it's the same now then that's good for you my friend. I don't think it's close to what it was 4 years ago.

Dg8787
06-29-14, 17:36
Can I ask the obvious questions?

1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?1. The rejection (s) are just a no from the girl (s). Plain and simple, she can say no just as I can say that I have no interest in her. The girls do not say it in an insulting manner. There was no insult. You assume there was an insult. Last week I was in Subic and hit the first bar. I have 3 criteria that has to be met with the girl; non-smoker, long time and new in the business. The first 8 girls turned me down for whatever reasons. Rejection after rejections. How did I feel? I felt like leaving for the next bar. As I got up to leave I noticed one girl who had been hiding behind the other girls. I had the waitress bring her down for my 3 questions. She answered affirmative to all 3 questions. Turns out this was her second night there and I was her first barfine. I spent the next 4 days with a wonderful, sweet and young 20 year old. Her body and looks were 8. 75. She was so new at it that she didn't even know the total rate. All she knew was she had to pay the bar 500 pesos. I explained to her the total BF was 1500 pesos and then she would get 1000 pesos. Along the 3rd day I got out of her, her purpose for working in the bar. Her father was pretty sick and needed some medical treatment for less than 10,000 pesos. People call these girls pros, prostitutes, hookers and other nasty names for what they do. In my eyes they could be called heroes for their commitment to their family. Do you really think they like doing this? Do you have any family member that would come to your rescue by doing whatever they had to do? Would you do that for a loved one? Back to your question. After a rejection, I pick myself back up and ask again. No different than the first high school dance where it all started.

2. I go back to AC because I do find beautiful girls there. I get over the no's pretty quickly, usually within 30 minutes I get a yes. All I can say is AC works for me.

Member #4698
06-29-14, 19:35
I clearly stated my opinion. That the raids have had a significent impact on the AC environment. There are A LOT LESS young dancers, 18,19. There are a lot less very pretty ladies and when you do find one. They are in demand, it is not a buyers market W / THEM.

It is a buyers market w / 85% of the BGs because 85% of the BGs are not pretty imo. Fours years ago before the big raid push by the USA there was eye candy everywhere. If you think it's the same now then that's good for you my friend. I don't think it's close to what it was 4 years ago.I agree with you Socker that the raids have dampened down things a tad. Remember the body paint dancers from a few years ago and even just last year I was still getting molested in the smaller bars by super friendly girls trying to convince me to barfine them. That is still going on in Burgos Street bars by the way.

Furthermore, I saw less punters and less young girls in AC circa April 2014 than on previous trips. Still, I saw plenty of more than willing and available girls. Less girls affects the numerator of the equation and less punters affects the denominator of the equation ie the ratio of bar girls to customers. In Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile) for example, which is a bar I like to hunt in, there were less girls than previous years and less customers too so the ratio was still a healthy 40 girls to 10 customers or 4:1 at 9:30 pm right before one of the Daddy shows. Yes they used to have many more girls. Thinking back to only a year ago, I remember there being 60 girls or more dancing on the double decker stage. With the dwindling customer base, I wonder how long Grand Pharaoh can stay in business. But even now, after all the raids, there were still plenty of lookers in this bar. This trip I barfined a very pretty Tequila girl for 3200 p LT. As I was walking out with my girl, one of the Cultural Dancers touched my arm and said why not me?

In Shipwrecked, a completely different kind of bar, I talked to the mamasan. I was looking for my two favorite cousins that I met there in 2013. I had lost contact with the girls around the time of the big typhoon last summer. The mama said the girls had gone home to their province. I hope the girls are doing ok. She then tried to fix me up with a 19 year old spinner that looked very similar to one of my cousins. Failing that, she then tried fixing me up with a 22 year old and then a large breasted 24 year old. The point being there were a number of doable friendly girls inside this small bar and plenty of good times just waiting to happen.

Talking about percentages, I think it is insightful to compare AC with other watering holes. I never saw a time when 85% of the bar girls were pretty. Not in AC, not in Bangkok, and not in Pattaya. Maybe I am a tough grader, but I am happy with a bar if 10% to 15% are the girls are hot.

On the same 2014 trip I was in Bangkok and I went to Crazy House Go Go in Cowboy for example. There must have been around 40 girls spit into two dance groups. !5% of the girls were hot, hot in my book. That translates into around 6 girls that I thought were genuine lookers with really good bodies. I think that stat made the place great.

On the same 2014 trip I visited Phnom Penh. In Rose Bar and Oasis bar, my two favorite PP hostess bars, the ratio of lookers was low. There were at best only 2 or 3 girls in each bar that I considered attractive and doable. The one girl I really dug in Oasis was a real hot firecracker, but she would not barfine. No shit! I came in every night to have a few Tequila shots with her and try to win her over. We fooled around and things got pretty steamy in the bar, but she would not barfine. Around 11:30 pm every night I would say goodbye to her and head over to Nagaworld to hook up with very good looking Khmer FL's. The Darling Darling FL's were asking $100 for ST. There were at least 30 girls working the casino and many were very hot, roughly half of the girls there were more than doable.

I finished my trip in Makati. And I have to say Burgos Street girls are a lot of fun both inside the bars and in my hotel room. There are a ton of girls. Selection is pretty good especially in high end bars like Bottoms where the ratio was approximately 10 to 1 girls to customers and the number of attractive girls was high. I would say there were at least 6 girls in Bottoms that I would have loved to shag there. I found one of the best girls of my entire 7 week Asian trip in Bottoms. The price was 10 lady drinks barfine or 3900 p plus my girl wanted 4000 p ST which turned into 5000 p LT on the 2nd night.

My conclusion is AC is still ok. If you know the place than I am sure you can handle the dampening down affect and still have a great time. If you have never visited there, now may be your last opportunity to discover what it was all about. I don't know. Maybe the raids will decrease and things will pick up. Maybe not. Subic is still great! Girls are very friendly. Barfines almost universally 1500 p.

Chris Long
06-29-14, 20:39
I believe the first criteria is looks for the dancers. I dress in semi-clubbing attire, shower, put on deodorant, and try to come up with cheerful conversations beefor I talk to the dancer.

The owners of the bars are running a business and not a charity. Despite the interests of the daprostitutesont own the business. In most retail / service careers, you try to maxmize sales. The rest of the mogering universe use this mo. Del cause they understand that it is a business.

Yes the girls are human, but nature of the industry requires them to adhere to certain rules. Customers are paying from cash out of their pockets, so they can crticize the girls looks. The customers are usually people that can't get sex in normal society for whatever reason, so they seek prostitutes. So, The customers are usually undesirable in some form of way...I have to agree with Tyrone on this AC is not the place to come to if you deal with rejection badly because you will get plenty of it here. Over all I have probably struck out 50% to 60% of the time but that means I have been successful 40% to 50% of the time and the pool of girls here is very large, when successful the girls have been in my opinion very attractive and almost all have given me super great sex.

Tonight I seemed to have broken my string of bad luck, went to the "who let the dogs out" weekly Sunday party with the doll house group and the girls surprisingly seemed somewhat friendly and smiling from the stage go figure. Next went to the new bar Nirvana and had an attractive waitress sit next to me she was friendly amicable bought her a lady drink made out with her she was willing to bar fine but could only do short time because she had to go to Manila early in the morning so I told her we would get together another night. Next stop walked by Camelot where a very attractive door girl was smiling and friendly to me so I took her inside bought her a lady drink she agreed to bar fine and is laying next to me now as I write this. I have always had pretty good luck out of Camelot and have always found there to be some attractive girls there. In the future I think I will devote more time to Camelot.

Tyrone if you are still in town join Captain Munch and myself at Kokomos we are there every day at 5 for a drink and a bite to eat we sit along the side over looking the street watching the street action, two older Caucasian men I will set my phone and camera in front of me so you will know it is us.

Chris

Socker
06-29-14, 22:34
I agree with you Socker that the raids have dampened down things a tad. Remember the body paint dancers from a few years ago and even just last year I was still getting molested in the smaller bars by super friendly girls trying to convince me to barfine them. That is still going on in Burgos Street bars by the way.

Furthermore, I saw less punters and less young girls in AC circa April 2014 than on previous trips. Still, I saw plenty of more than willing and available girls. Less girls affects the numerator of the equation and less punters affects the denominator of the equation ie the ratio of bar girls to customers. In Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile) for example, which is a bar I like to hunt in, there were less girls than previous years and less customers too so the ratio was still a healthy 40 girls to 10 customers or 4:1 at 9:30 pm right before one of the Daddy shows. Yes they used to have many more girls. Thinking back to only a year ago, I remember there being 60 girls or more dancing on the double decker stage. With the dwindling customer base, I wonder how long Grand Pharaoh can stay in business. But even now, after all the raids, there were still plenty of lookers in this bar. This trip I barfined a very pretty Tequila girl for 3200 p LT. As I was walking out with my girl, one of the Cultural Dancers touched my arm and said why not me?

In Shipwrecked, a completely different kind of bar, I talked to the mamasan. I was looking for my two favorite cousins that I met there in 2013. I had lost contact with the girls around the time of the big typhoon last summer. The mama said the girls had gone home to their province. I hope the girls are doing ok. She then tried to fix me up with a 19 year old spinner that looked very similar to one of my cousins. Failing that, she then tried fixing me up with a 22 year old and then a large breasted 24 year old. The point being there were a number of doable friendly girls inside this small bar and plenty of good times just waiting to happen.

Talking about percentages, I think it is insightful to compare AC with other watering holes. I never saw a time when 85% of the bar girls were pretty. Not in AC, not in Bangkok, and not in Pattaya. Maybe I am a tough grader, but I am happy with a bar if 10% to 15% are the girls are hot.

On the same 2014 trip I was in Bangkok and I went to Crazy House Go Go in Cowboy for example. There must have been around 40 girls spit into two dance groups. !5% of the girls were hot, hot in my book. That translates into around 6 girls that I thought were genuine lookers with really good bodies. I think that stat made the place great.

On the same 2014 trip I visited Phnom Penh. In Rose Bar and Oasis bar, my two favorite PP hostess bars, the ratio of lookers was low. There were at best only 2 or 3 girls in each bar that I considered attractive and doable. The one girl I really dug in Oasis was a real hot firecracker, but she would not barfine. No shit! I came in every night to have a few Tequila shots with her and try to win her over. We fooled around and things got pretty steamy in the bar, but she would not barfine. Around 11:30 pm every night I would say goodbye to her and head over to Nagaworld to hook up with very good looking Khmer FL's. The Darling Darling FL's were asking $100 for ST. There were at least 30 girls working the casino and many were very hot, roughly half of the girls there were more than doable.

I finished my trip in Makati. And I have to say Burgos Street girls are a lot of fun both inside the bars and in my hotel room. There are a ton of girls. Selection is pretty good especially in high end bars like Bottoms where the ratio was approximately 10 to 1 girls to customers and the number of attractive girls was high. I would say there were at least 6 girls in Bottoms that I would have loved to shag there. I found one of the best girls of my entire 7 week Asian trip in Bottoms. The price was 10 lady drinks barfine or 3900 p plus my girl wanted 4000 p ST which turned into 5000 p LT on the 2nd night.

My conclusion is AC is still ok. If you know the place than I am sure you can handle the dampening down affect and still have a great time. If you have never visited there, now may be your last opportunity to discover what it was all about. I don't know. Maybe the raids will decrease and things will pick up. Maybe not. Subic is still great! Girls are very friendly. Barfines almost universally 1500 p.To be accurate and clear.

For my taste in AC, 2014,85% of the BGs are less than doable, 10% doable or better, 5% hot.

In 2010 (my first trip) 60% of the BGs were less than doable, 30% doable or better, 10% really hot.

Also I did not experience these percentages per bar. This estimate pertains to all the BGs in AC.

I walked into many bars and quickly turned around and left, no doables.

And lets remember for a decrepit 80 yr old monger they're all doable, w / many many stunners.

I view the scene as a 25 year old stud, I have the same standards and goals now as I had then. Find the hottest woman and have my way w / her. Period.

In AC it is near impossible to do that. In Makati it was much easy because the ladies want to make 3000 p per monger + percentage of barfine.

For me I will continue to go to AC and maybe finally venture towards Subic.

There is still no place like AC and for the price of 1 BG in Makati you can have 3 BGs in AC. That's why I want more AC.

Adios.

Robbaf
06-30-14, 02:25
Todays field report.

Hit the bikini contest at Score Birds with Captain Munch afterwards we check out tropix but find nothing there to our liking next we try Viking bar I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl but she is reserved and not very talkative and does not appear to want to be with me despite my best efforts to be polite and entertaining to her, I bring up the subject of bar fine and she says no immediately with out hesitation says she is tired. Next we hit equis and again I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl in the bar, one again I try to be entertaining polite and put on my best charm offensive, this time I seem to be making some head way and she agrees to let me bar fine her, she is laying next to me now as I write this, extremely attractive but a bit of an ice princess and despite being told yes in the bar there is no BJ.

It only took me three bars and two girls before I found one that would let me bar fine her. ChrisIHO one of the biggest mistakes some mongers make is choosing the girl. When I go in the bar I order a drink and joke around with the waitress and girls on stage begging for drinks or offering their friends and wait for the eye contact. Your percentage of girls who will go out with you will be better if you let the girl pick you.

Streetlooker
06-30-14, 04:21
But his argument was that guys should not wear them because they do not take care of their feet, which goes along with proper grooming. And not grooming well is one of the arguments as to why hookers are telling guys no.Makes them half a homo wearing women's shoes.

Dg8787
06-30-14, 04:32
Must have fell in a big wet hole! MIA for a few days now.

Streetlooker
06-30-14, 04:35
Must have fell in a big wet hole! MIA for a few days now.He could be shacked up in his hotel room busy with someone who didn't reject him? Thats what I go to AC for Room service please!

Dg8787
06-30-14, 04:39
He could be shacked up in his hotel room busy with someone who didn't reject him? Thats what I go to AC for Room service please!That was what I was alluding to. It is funny how all of a sudden one girl can change your whole vacation!

Key Master
06-30-14, 04:48
I would not recommend the Philippines if you take rejections badly. Though overall I'm having a good time. But If if I weren't here and knew what my experience would be like, I would make plans for other countries.

I think I'm going to leave early, the rejections are getting to me. But its like this at most bars in the Philippines. Plus the convenience of the location. So I'm on the Fence with this one.Hey Tyrion,

Sorry to hear it's not really working out for you in Angeles. It is a different scene there compared a lot of the other monger scenes. Filipinas are also very different and it truly takes awhile to even come close to remotely figuring them out. If you are still there I have some recommendations. If it's going really that bad for you and you can afford it, consider going back to Manila / Makati. That Burgos area can have some pretty good looking women and they can also be a lot more professional if that works for you. The costs are quite a bit higher but maybe that might work better for you.

The rejection thing is something that goes back to understanding them more. I'm not of the mode that they are prostitutes and they should be like this and that. It's truly not that way for the majority of the ones working in AC. You said you are a big guy, but based on your measurements you gave earlier you don't sound that big. But maybe you are more imposing in person. If someone there tells you short time only, they actually just may be a little scared of you because you look big to them and maybe your penis may be large. They may be scared you are going to knock the bottom out of them. What I'm getting at, is sometimes they say short time because they want to go but not sure of these other fears they have. Again, that prostitute thing doesn't come into play here in my argument. They may change their mind about short time after the first round. You'll find more romantics working in Angeles, where if you go to Burgos, you'll find more professional women who are more worried about the money in a more prostitute sort of way. I'm not saying all are like that in Burgos, just my experience of being around there. I've definitely had some great finds there but being with them over time, the true person comes out over there. Same with a place like EDSA in Manila, but I prefer the Burgos women over the EDSA women any time.

Amjeck
06-30-14, 13:08
To be accurate and clear.

For my taste in AC, 2014,85% of the BGs are less than doable, 10% doable or better, 5% hot.

In 2010 (my first trip) 60% of the BGs were less than doable, 30% doable or better, 10% really hot.

Agree, right on the money!

Ekspat
06-30-14, 13:25
For my taste in AC, 2014,85% of the BGs are less than doable, 10% doable or better, 5% hot.

In 2010 (my first trip) 60% of the BGs were less than doable, 30% doable or better, 10% really hot.Agree with that. But estimated 6000 girls in AC right now, we come to 600 doable or better and 300 hotties. Should be fine for the few mongers around there in low season.

Member #4698
06-30-14, 15:17
Agree with that. But estimated 6000 girls in AC right now, we come to 600 doable or better and 300 hotties. Should be fine for the few mongers around there in low season.Exactly. There is still plenty of quality to go around. Not as many as a few years ago, not as cheap, not as rowdy, but still good times to be had. I recommend playing the Trifecta: AC, Subic, and Makati.

Member #4698
06-30-14, 15:43
For me I will continue to go to AC and maybe finally venture towards Subic.

There is still no place like AC and for the price of 1 BG in Makati you can have 3 BGs in AC. That's why I want more AC. I think we are on the same page here more or less. Honorable punters can debate the virtues of particular girls. Personal tastes vary. I will be returning to the PI (and South East Asia) in March to April, 2015. It would be my pleasure to discuss this subject further with you over a couple of beers in a favorite bar, ladies present. Let me know if you are planing to be around at this time. If not, then stay thirsty and happy hunting.

Dg8787
06-30-14, 15:59
Agree with that. But estimated 6000 girls in AC right now, we come to 600 doable or better and 300 hotties. Should be fine for the few mongers around there in low season.I wasn't around in 2010 but according to my math (rithmatic for you old goats) with 2/3 less crowd now, my odds are the same with doables!

Heck, I am creating my "good old days" right now.

Socker
06-30-14, 18:36
I think we are on the same page here more or less. Honorable punters can debate the virtues of particular girls. Personal tastes vary. I will be returning to the PI (and South East Asia) in March to April, 2015. It would be my pleasure to discuss this subject further with you over a couple of beers in a favorite bar, ladies present. Let me know if you are planing to be around at this time. If not, then stay thirsty and happy hunting.That's the month I plan to return. It would be a great pleasure to hook up in AC and talk shop. I love shop talk, haha.

In every post I always mention (for me) AC is still a worthy destination. If you are very particular though it's not. I can go w / the flow and find a way to have fun.

I think there's a good chance AC will rebound. The more global blow ups I / e Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, the less pressure on our beloved AC from the the mommy government, aka the USA.


Agree with that. But estimated 6000 girls in AC right now, we come to 600 doable or better and 300 hotties. Should be fine for the few mongers around there in low season.Wow! There are that many? I got to do more exploring, haha, that's a lot of pussy for rent.

Cheers Bro!!

Streetlooker
06-30-14, 20:22
That was what I was alluding to. It is funny how all of a sudden one girl can change your whole vacation!Just don't fall in love, she's a beauty, she's 1 in a million girls, ha ha ha! Hope he is having the time of his life Bet he forgot all about those other rejects.

Streetlooker
06-30-14, 21:00
AC and the Philippines in general take prostitution to a different level then most other places in the world. Its a place where the girls are looking for a way out of poverty and a way out of there country. I know of no other country this is so. The girls go into this occupation with a different mindset. In Costa Rica you go to a place like the Del ray hotel and you get hardcore hookers that will bang your brains out for a price. Those girls are business like and are not looking for a way out of their country. Thailand girls don; t really want to leave there country either PSE is a normal thing there. The famous red light district in Amsterdam the girls are mechanical and do the job and go home but they are not looking for a punter to SAVE them. Most Germany Fkk girls are happy in Germany just go do a job and live their life. The only other pace I would compare the Philippines in the world with is Maybe girls in the Russian federation countries like the Ukraine. They Might look for a punter to marry them and go to another country to escape there poor lives.

So what do we make of this? Rejection in the Philippines from hookers that don; t think of themselves has hookers but are instead looking for a partner to help them. If the girl has looking for a partner mindset then they will judge you according to what they see has a suitable partner Not just a money making client. One of the best things I do like about the Philippines is when you do find a girl that's willing to go with you and they are a plenty They are going cause they like you Not cause you are paying them and that into itself with lead to a much better sex session. Trust me and most of you guys know this also NOTHING sucks more then getting a starfish diva hot girl that turns her head away when you try to kiss her or the closes eyes turns her head to the side and lays there dead while you bang away. Talk about a feeling of rejection that sucks more and it makes me feel worse I spend my hard earned dollars on her. I take the 1000's of 6's-7's running around the Philippines all day everyday and leave the Diva model types to those who like the Ice queen starfish princess But insist on being with the hottest looking girls.

NapaSlapper
07-01-14, 01:51
Streetlooker,

Ask that same angeles prostitute if she will go with you for free, even on her day off and see how much she likes you.

To say that teen age girls would remotely like / fancy a man old enough to be her grand father is misguided at best.

Go and see where all those sweet little prostitutes go and spend their money after work, you guessed it at the naked boys bars, karaoke bars where there are good looking young pinoys for her to bang with passion.

To say that angeles city is the only destination which has sweet non hardcore girls is also misguided at best.

People talk about GFE they get in angeles, you get this because your paying for her to give you GFE, simple.

Take away the ££ and that sweet prostitute would not give you a Hello, let alone GFE.

Red Kilt
07-01-14, 03:18
I wasn't around in 2010 but according to my math (rithmatic for you old goats) with 2/3 less crowd now, my odds are the same with doables!

Heck, I am creating my "good old days" right now.Those of you who have read "Queen of Patpong" by Timothy Hallinan will remember the "No Name Bar" where the grisly old retired ex-spooks hang out. They have to pay 20 baht into a jar held by the bar attendant every time one of them says "remember when". Seems the jar fills up quite quickly.

Miscer
07-01-14, 03:37
Can you guys who are in AC now let me know is the weather ok for me to come? I read about floods and rescheduled flights in Manila, I was wondering whether I should postpone this trip until another time. I can't seem to find great detail on the weather there except for the temperature.

Thank you in advance guys.

Manny51
07-01-14, 04:20
AC and the Philippines in general take prostitution to a different level then most other places in the world. Its a place where the girls are looking for a way out of poverty and a way out of there country. I know of no other country this is so. The girls go into this occupation with a different mindset. In Costa Rica you go to a place like the Del ray hotel and you get hardcore hookers that will bang your brains out for a price. Those girls are business like and are not looking for a way out of their country. Thailand girls don; t really want to leave there country either PSE is a normal thing there. The famous red light district in Amsterdam the girls are mechanical and do the job and go home but they are not looking for a punter to SAVE them. Most Germany Fkk girls are happy in Germany just go do a job and live their life. The only other pace I would compare the Philippines in the world with is Maybe girls in the Russian federation countries like the Ukraine. They Might look for a punter to marry them and go to another country to escape there poor lives.

So what do we make of this? Rejection in the Philippines from hookers that don; t think of themselves has hookers but are instead looking for a partner to help them. If the girl has looking for a partner mindset then they will judge you according to what they see has a suitable partner Not just a money making client. One of the best things I do like about the Philippines is when you do find a girl that's willing to go with you and they are a plenty They are going cause they like you Not cause you are paying them and that into itself with lead to a much better sex session. Trust me and most of you guys know this also NOTHING sucks more then getting a starfish diva hot girl that turns her head away when you try to kiss her or the closes eyes turns her head to the side and lays there dead while you bang away. Talk about a feeling of rejection that sucks more and it makes me feel worse I spend my hard earned dollars on her. I take the 1000's of 6's-7's running around the Philippines all day everyday and leave the Diva model types to those who like the Ice queen starfish princess But insist on being with the hottest looking girls.Interesting insight and analysis, particularly the part about looking for a way out. Makes me interested in visiting the PI again. However, playing Devil's Advocate, the first paragraph doesn't necessarily relate the second paragraph. Basically, you are saying that prettier girls are more selective, and that less attractive girls give better service to make up for it.

NapaSlapper
07-01-14, 04:25
Ekspat,

6000 bargirls in angeles city?

Maybe 6000 bargirls in the whole of the pi and that would be stretching the number to the extreme.

On my recent visit to angeles I would take a guess at 1000-1200 bargirls at most.

Hell Pattaya that is 20 times bigger has 100 times more bars than angeles would struggle to have 6000 bargirls working the bars, gogos.

Guess your % rates of doable girls in angeles just went down a touch, good try though.

Chocha Monger
07-01-14, 09:34
This new Angeles City where mongers must be impeccably groomed, charming, handsome, lean, muscled and oozing with "game" in order to successfully purchase sex from uneducated provincial prostitutes after paying long haul airfare and hotel fees sounds disturbingly like the Western nations many mongers hail from. Flying at great expense and discomfort to the stinking anus of the world only to be shunned by impoverished hoes who refuse to fuck him for any amount of pesos cannot be good for any monger's ego. Frankly, getting rejected by tramps that dwell in bamboo huts, bathe out of buckets and shit in a hole in the ground has to be hitting rock bottom for any man from the developed world. He may as well save his money and stay home as the jackbooted females in the West will gladly crush his manhood and shit on his ego at no charge. At least back home he can rationalize the mistreatment because the prostitutes there really do not need his money thanks to a generous welfare system.

On the other hand, Filipina college students fuck tricycle drivers for as little as 200 pesos in the provinces. The tricycle drivers do not take them to a nice clean hotel to fuck either. That would be too expensive. They use a bamboo shack. They also run the train on the girl with their buddies taking their turn after she washes her pussy with a bucket and a bowl between customers. The service is bareback. So, when a bar girl rejects a foreigner offering 3,000 or 4,000 pesos for bar fine rest assured it is an insult.

Most of the time the bar prostitutes are not even dancing on stage they just do a zombie shuffle when they're not begging for overpriced lady drinks. So, if the best looking hookers are not selling pussy to customers there is not much reason to go to the bars other than wasting money buying drinks for tramps who do not want to fuck you while suffering hearing loss due to the bad music blaring at full blast. And that you can do in pretty much any bar in America.

Anyway, it was only a matter of time before AC went the way of all monger destinations with too much exposure.

Mr Enternational
07-01-14, 17:03
If that many. How many bars are on Fields? 15 at the most? Figure there are max 30 girls in each one. That is nowhere near 1000. Then there are probably 25 chicks in all of Blow Row. I have never been out to Perimeter so I would have no idea about that. I live in Pattaya and I am sure there are way more than 6000 there though.

Turgid
07-01-14, 17:43
From what I gather there were more bargirls in AC in 2007, when I was last there, than 2014 and my estimate at the time was no more than 600 bar girls. Interesting talk about the rejections. I have been rejected more in AC than everywhere else combined but I still regard it as one of my favorite mongering destinations of all time. With regard to the bargirls liking you not because you are paying them its true to a certain extent, they like you, and I'll put it bluntly, because of the possibility of a way to the USA. I recall in one of my trips I spent some days with a very cute bargirl; she had a young Pinoy boyfriend who I saw on a few occasions. I remember the day I was leaving how the tears flowed from her eyes. One has to be emotionally strong in the PI.

Chris Long
07-01-14, 17:57
Can you guys who are in AC now let me know is the weather ok for me to come? I read about floods and rescheduled flights in Manila, I was wondering whether I should postpone this trip until another time. I can't seem to find great detail on the weather there except for the temperature.

Thank you in advance guys.Rains just about every day but not all day just a brief period during the day, its not the type of rain that would cause a flood just enough to make it inconvenient to walk around. Generally gets hot and humid before the rain and then cools off a bit after the rain.

Chris

Socker
07-01-14, 18:27
This new Angeles City where mongers must be impeccably groomed, charming, handsome, lean, muscled and oozing with "game" in order to successfully purchase sex from uneducated provincial prostitutes after paying long haul airfare and hotel fees sounds disturbingly like the Western nations many mongers hail from. Flying at great expense and discomfort to the stinking anus of the world only to be shunned by impoverished hoes who refuse to fuck him for any amount of pesos cannot be good for any monger's ego. Frankly, getting rejected by tramps that dwell in bamboo huts, bathe out of buckets and shit in a hole in the ground has to be hitting rock bottom for any man from the developed world. He may as well save his money and stay home as the jackbooted females in the West will gladly crush his manhood and shit on his ego at no charge. At least back home he can rationalize the mistreatment because the prostitutes there really do not need his money thanks to a generous welfare system.

On the other hand, Filipina college students fuck tricycle drivers for as little as 200 pesos in the provinces. The tricycle drivers do not take them to a nice clean hotel to fuck either. That would be too expensive. They use a bamboo shack. They also run the train on the girl with their buddies taking their turn after she washes her pussy with a bucket and a bowl between customers. The service is bareback. So, when a bar girl rejects a foreigner offering 3,000 or 4,000 pesos for bar fine rest assured it is an insult.

Most of the time the bar prostitutes are not even dancing on stage they just do a zombie shuffle when they're not begging for overpriced lady drinks. So, if the best looking hookers are not selling pussy to customers there is not much reason to go to the bars other than wasting money buying drinks for tramps who do not want to fuck you while suffering hearing loss due to the bad music blaring at full blast. And that you can do in pretty much any bar in America.

Anyway, it was only a matter of time before AC went the way of all monger destinations with too much exposure.The above described is ONE PERSON'S world of shit. Some people live in it and others find the beauty in people and places. I have never liked this poster but many drool over his every word, the qoute above is who this guy really is.

He is obviously better than the average monger and looks down on the p4 p scene in AC. In the real world where most of us reside the bargirls of AC are hard working women trying to survive in world so brutal we mongers can't even imagine. The BGs in AC deserve respect as do any person who gets up each day and goes to work. PERIOD!

As for my method of operation in which I half jokingly made a list of my preparation for the hunt. You can knock it all you want, I am happy, I am fit. I am learning a new language (a first in my life), I command respect when I walk into a room. In every thing I do to hunt pussy it makes me a stronger, healthier, happier. I don't only monger in AC and if it was the only place I mongered in I would hope to do all of these things anyway because I can fuck more pussy, extend my life and fuck more pussy.

Only a person LIVING IN A WORLD OF SHIT would think self improvement and living smart and healthy is a waste of time and money. If you think I'm wasting my time by being the strongest person I can be then that's what I'll continue to do. Your criticism is a feather in my hat. I am proud to be criticized by the likes of you. Thank you.

Got to do laundry.

Streetlooker
07-01-14, 18:39
This new Angeles City where mongers must be impeccably groomed, charming, handsome, lean, muscled and oozing with "game" in order to successfully purchase sex from uneducated provincial prostitutes after paying long haul airfare and hotel fees sounds disturbingly like the Western nations many mongers hail from. Flying at great expense and discomfort to the stinking anus of the world only to be shunned by impoverished hoes who refuse to fuck him for any amount of pesos cannot be good for any monger's ego. Frankly, getting rejected by tramps that dwell in bamboo huts, bathe out of buckets and shit in a hole in the ground has to be hitting rock bottom for any man from the developed world. He may as well save his money and stay home as the jackbooted females in the West will gladly crush his manhood and shit on his ego at no charge. At least back home he can rationalize the mistreatment because the prostitutes there really do not need his money thanks to a generous welfare system.

On the other hand, Filipina college students fuck tricycle drivers for as little as 200 pesos in the provinces. The tricycle drivers do not take them to a nice clean hotel to fuck either. That would be too expensive. They use a bamboo shack. They also run the train on the girl with their buddies taking their turn after she washes her pussy with a bucket and a bowl between customers. The service is bareback. So, when a bar girl rejects a foreigner offering 3,000 or 4,000 pesos for bar fine rest assured it is an insult.

Most of the time the bar prostitutes are not even dancing on stage they just do a zombie shuffle when they're not begging for overpriced lady drinks. So, if the best looking hookers are not selling pussy to customers there is not much reason to go to the bars other than wasting money buying drinks for tramps who do not want to fuck you while suffering hearing loss due to the bad music blaring at full blast. And that you can do in pretty much any bar in America.

Anyway, it was only a matter of time before AC went the way of all monger destinations with too much exposure.Which emphasis the magnitude of how discussing and gross some of the guys really are walking around that place. Even 3rd world hoes don; t want them. So you fat stinky flip flop and wife beater wearing dudes that have not even bathed in a bucket for weeks walking like zombies up and down fields get a clue. They rather bang a trike driver with no money then your gross disgusting ass.

Streetlooker
07-01-14, 19:11
Streetlooker,

Ask that same angeles prostitute if she will go with you for free, even on her day off and see how much she likes you.

To say that teen age girls would remotely like / fancy a man old enough to be her grand father is misguided at best.

Go and see where all those sweet little prostitutes go and spend their money after work, you guessed it at the naked boys bars, karaoke bars where there are good looking young pinoys for her to bang with passion.

To say that angeles city is the only destination which has sweet non hardcore girls is also misguided at best.

People talk about GFE they get in angeles, you get this because your paying for her to give you GFE, simple.

Take away the and that sweet prostitute would not give you a Hello, let alone GFE.Hummm not being one that has ever lived in the Philippines for longer then the 1 time 6 months I was stationed there TDY in the air force. I otherwise have about 8 three week vacations there since 2005 and 3 different times I have had a bar girl quit working in the bar for a week to spend time with me. I never paid them or the bar any money except I might have bought her some food. One time and this was my favorite was a girl her and I spent 6 full days locked in my hotel room with only time leaving was to go down to swim in the pool. Room service and TV and other things keeping us busy. Left the Ph without giving her a thing returned 6 months later and she and I did it again this time with a side trip to 100 islands. Again never paying a dime to the bar or her really SO if I can do this with the limited time I have spent in the Philippines imagine all the freebies one could get if you had the time to establish things with the girls.

What guys on here are not taking into account is all the reasons a girl might reject there offers to go out with them and its this. The best lookers IMO most likely are sponsored by other mongers. These are mongers who have some serious cash flow most likely a korean or japanese fella but not always. Not the 2 week millionaires who have to go back to there countries after their vacations and work another year to save the money to go back for 2-3 more weeks. Those girls know that If they are to get caught going out with other mongers by there sponsors And the many spies those sponsors can hire to watch out for there investments while they are way then the sponsor cash flow with be stopped and they don; t want to lose out. So when you all go into the bars and only want to top lookers in the place remember someone has already got to her 1st and she is not going to screw up her mega cash flow by going with you.